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| 00:08.07 | Wobin | http://hungoverowls.tumblr.com/ |
| 00:11.38 | Dagmar | Kinda highlights how sketched-out some species of owls look, naturall |
| 00:12.10 | alestane | The surly side of LOLcats. |
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| 00:18.23 | Dagmar | The one with yellow feathers and red eyes was either retouched, or is about to eat some brains. |
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| 00:29.51 | Cidan | I hate Darkshire leveling so much, :( |
| 00:30.20 | DWSR | ~lart Cidan |
| 00:30.20 | purl | runs at Cidan with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
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| 01:15.44 | Antiarc | So my wife and I started our raid |
| 01:15.48 | Antiarc | And the kiddo wanted to play too |
| 01:15.49 | Antiarc | http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Gl_rkTFysIE/THHKXrbq9lI/AAAAAAAACqk/vOykpNcsXE8/s912/IMG_20100822_180804.jpg |
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| 01:20.51 | Wobin | Antiarc: aww =) |
| 01:21.22 | Wobin | gogo ruby sanctum? |
| 01:22.03 | Cairenn | pokes Krahg |
| 01:22.46 | Jerub | i'm very over the level 1->15 grind |
| 01:23.00 | Jerub | doing it 4 times in a row at the moment so i can have some damn toons on this alliance server |
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| 01:24.56 | Cairenn | any luck now? |
| 01:26.48 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.mandible-games.com/release/ChassisCommander-1.1.exe yay i made a game |
| 01:26.59 | ZorbaTHut | (replace .exe with .zip, .dmg, or .tgz as you feel appropriate) |
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| 01:28.13 | Dagmar | Does it involve lemons, perhaps partying? |
| 01:30.22 | ZorbaTHut | it involves no lemons |
| 01:30.33 | ZorbaTHut | but if "being slaughtered by robots" counts as a party, then it may involve partying |
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| 01:39.21 | Kraps | test |
| 01:42.39 | Cairenn | fail |
| 01:42.58 | Kraps | noooooo |
| 01:43.14 | Kraps | also http://lazyramadi.vox.com/library/post/wwii-rts-chat-transcript.html |
| 01:45.18 | Thunder_Child | tests Kraps |
| 01:45.27 | Kraps | hey! |
| 01:45.36 | Thunder_Child | Test complete |
| 01:45.57 | Thunder_Child | Verification of verbal like response |
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| 01:50.49 | Kraps | Art Quote of the Day: We live in a rainbow of chaos. - Paul Cezanne |
| 01:51.02 | Kraps | is it a double rainbow? |
| 01:51.50 | Jerub | speaking of chaos |
| 01:52.00 | Jerub | looks like Denison is going to ALP |
| 01:52.19 | Jerub | but it's too close to tell just now |
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| 01:55.27 | Kraps | shit i need a way to watch buffy on the go |
| 01:56.06 | Jerub | Kraps: transcode for your phone |
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| 01:56.59 | Kraps | i have a samsung rumor |
| 01:59.54 | DWSR | You mean rumour. |
| 02:00.20 | Kraps | i speak american |
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| 02:04.51 | DesertDwarf | Anybody on US-Alliance on Cataclysm? I'd like a guild invite. |
| 02:04.54 | Dagmar | Except Samsung is Japanese, which makes it a... |
| 02:05.21 | alestane | Actually, I think they're Korean. |
| 02:07.22 | solocommand | test |
| 02:09.13 | Kraps | er its LG actually |
| 02:12.14 | Dagmar | (I almost feel like I should be ashamed for baiting OCD people like that) |
| 02:14.09 | Thunder_Child | i hate LG's name in english |
| 02:14.53 | Wobin | Life's Good? |
| 02:15.02 | alestane | Lucky Gold, IIRC |
| 02:15.15 | Wobin | oh, of course, that's their slogan |
| 02:15.23 | Wobin | it's a very asian name =P |
| 02:15.59 | kd3 | Lucky Goldstar says enwiki |
| 02:16.06 | Dagmar | Lucky Gold Star |
| 02:16.22 | Dagmar | ...although in the incorporation papers it's like kd3 says |
| 02:16.33 | Dagmar | reads better that way imho |
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| 02:17.32 | Amarande | ok, trade chat's claiming something, any of you in beta land know ... |
| 02:17.39 | Amarande | *are* DKs getting shields in Cata, or is that a troll? |
| 02:18.06 | Dagmar | Tell them back that trolls are getting shields, not DK's. It's the new racial. |
| 02:18.21 | Dagmar | That should keep them busy awhile. |
| 02:18.48 | Legorol | Amarande: DK's can't be getting shields, as it screws up a whole slew of tanking mechanics for DKs |
| 02:18.57 | Legorol | and would require redesigning talents (again) and rebalancing |
| 02:18.58 | Wobin | Amarande: I doubt it. cause of what Legorol said |
| 02:19.19 | Wobin | Although, imo, DK tanks should DW shields |
| 02:19.27 | Legorol | not to mention that a straight "no" would do as well |
| 02:19.29 | Wobin | That would be an interesting mechanic =) |
| 02:19.31 | Dagmar | That would be awesome |
| 02:19.35 | Legorol | awful idea |
| 02:19.40 | Dagmar | Gaining threat based on belching alone. |
| 02:19.46 | Legorol | >.< |
| 02:19.49 | Wobin | beats Legorol into the ground with two shields |
| 02:19.56 | Legorol | Dagmar, shields are awesome for threat |
| 02:20.03 | Legorol | do you know how much a single shield slam from a warrior generates? |
| 02:20.10 | Wobin | Over 9000 |
| 02:20.12 | Dagmar | Spesh if one says "I <3 YOUR MOM" on the front |
| 02:20.13 | Legorol | exactly! |
| 02:20.18 | Xyphoid | the illidan shield looks like it would do more damage than a lot of weapons, after all |
| 02:20.26 | Legorol | ^^ |
| 02:21.36 | Dagmar | If looks mattered that much, hunters would always be the last to die to giant monsters |
| 02:21.45 | Legorol | here's something about DKs that i can't help but lament: |
| 02:22.09 | Legorol | DKs start out OP. Raiders decide they are OP and start using them to tank some tough encounters. Other tanks get benched. |
| 02:22.10 | Dagmar | No dragon in their right mind would want to put a hunter in epic gear in it's mouth. It would be a sure way to get tetanus. |
| 02:22.27 | Legorol | Blizzard fixes the problem by nerfing DKs. Same raiders who (ab)used OP DKs to tank with whine. |
| 02:22.41 | Wobin | Legorol: sounds like pallies =P |
| 02:22.47 | Corrodias | sounds like every class at some point |
| 02:22.50 | Legorol | pallies were never OP |
| 02:22.53 | Corrodias | except maybe priests |
| 02:23.06 | Corrodias | DKs were never OP |
| 02:23.06 | Dagmar | Legorol: I have an idea about how to fix that. |
| 02:23.15 | Legorol | i mean, if you find something is OP and you abuse it, don't be surprised it gets nerfed |
| 02:23.16 | Xyphoid | i thought disc priests were OP |
| 02:23.23 | Dagmar | Stronger legislation restricting the amount of heavy metals used in the paint on children's toys. |
| 02:23.23 | Wobin | disc preists are awesome |
| 02:23.25 | Legorol | disc priests are fine |
| 02:23.32 | Legorol | awesome fun to play, but not OP |
| 02:23.39 | Xyphoid | what does 'abuse' mean here, 'use to tank'? i'm not sure how that counts as abuse... |
| 02:23.43 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPlX3qF_7Xo |
| 02:23.53 | Dagmar | Listning to what the little blighters say is how EQ went downhill |
| 02:23.59 | Wobin | Although, I'm annoyed that another guildie has decided to encroach upon my disc healing domain =P |
| 02:24.08 | Legorol | Xyphoid: by selectively using DKs to tank certain encounters instead of the other 3 tank classes, due to advantages that DK tanks had on those encounters. |
| 02:24.31 | Legorol | The 4 tank classes are supposed to be (and generally are) about the same in terms of their ability to tank encounters |
| 02:24.42 | Legorol | so "abuse" in this context is if you start using one preferentially |
| 02:24.43 | Xyphoid | that's a really funny usage of 'abuse' in my book |
| 02:24.59 | Legorol | let me try and rephrase: |
| 02:25.32 | Legorol | abuse in the sense of using one or more abilities you found makes an encounter much easier than intended |
| 02:25.45 | Legorol | sometimes that's some nifty healing arrangement (although this is very rare) |
| 02:25.48 | Amarande | Legorol: Haven't MANY raid encounters over the years favored one tank class over another? |
| 02:25.50 | Legorol | sometimes it's some nieche ability on a dps class |
| 02:25.59 | Legorol | and occasionally it's a tank ability |
| 02:26.01 | Wobin | haha heroism/bloodlust |
| 02:26.12 | Amarande | I remember it being brought down to an obsessively precise science in BC, in particular |
| 02:26.13 | Legorol | Wobin: what's with heroism? |
| 02:26.26 | Legorol | Amarande: which is abuse in my book |
| 02:26.26 | Wobin | niche ablility on dps class =P |
| 02:26.35 | Legorol | how is heroism a nieche ability? |
| 02:26.41 | Legorol | it's useful in *every* encounter |
| 02:26.44 | Wobin | currently only one class can provide it |
| 02:26.47 | Wobin | thus niche |
| 02:26.49 | Amarande | Legorol: actually, in BC, I think the encounters were at least partially designed with that "abuse" in mind |
| 02:26.51 | Legorol | no, that's not niche |
| 02:26.55 | Legorol | niche is when it has very limited use |
| 02:26.55 | Wobin | it totally is |
| 02:27.02 | Xyphoid | 'abuse' puts blame on the players for using their abilities |
| 02:27.03 | Wobin | not so |
| 02:27.03 | Dagmar | It's only useful if you're fighting |
| 02:27.06 | Xyphoid | i'm not keen on that |
| 02:27.09 | Amarande | Reliquary P2, for instance, was DESIGNED to rely on having a warrior tank using Spell Reflection. |
| 02:27.11 | Legorol | an ability is niche if you don't use it very often, but in a few rare cases it gives a huge advantage |
| 02:27.37 | Dagmar | Like a warlock tanking |
| 02:27.40 | Legorol | Amarande: yes TBC was quite bad in terms of tank unbalance |
| 02:27.47 | Legorol | blizz went the wrong way there |
| 02:28.09 | Dagmar | The tanking warlock was pretty funny tho |
| 02:28.17 | Legorol | back then the idea of making tanks equal was that you'd use different ones on different encounters |
| 02:28.25 | Arrowmaster | i actually want to hear from the encounter designers how they designed a lot of the fights to be and how that differs from how players learned to do the fights |
| 02:28.27 | Amarande | And lock tanking ... or rather, the general case of a ranged class tanking ... is itself almost vital in ICC on Blood Princes |
| 02:28.44 | Arrowmaster | like if some encounter was designed with the testing team fighting it in some way that players never have |
| 02:29.03 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: yah that'd be interesting to hear |
| 02:29.12 | Arrowmaster | or if players did but then found a better way the designers never though of, not counting exploits |
| 02:29.18 | Legorol | although i think blizz said a few times that they generally try and design encounters without very specific setups in mind |
| 02:29.25 | Krahg | Hello? May I speak now? |
| 02:29.27 | Legorol | and they should be doable with a variety of group setups and tactics |
| 02:29.30 | Amarande | Basically, Blizzard is the opposite of Atlus, then. ;) |
| 02:29.33 | Legorol | Krahg: no |
| 02:29.40 | Amarande | Legorol: wow, that's a big backpedal |
| 02:29.44 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: i dont mean setups but even positioning type stuff |
| 02:29.53 | alestane | The great thing about IRC is that other people talking doesn't stop you. |
| 02:29.54 | Amarande | I always was under the impression that Blizzard designed each raid encounter to have a specific intended strategy to beat it |
| 02:30.11 | Legorol | a general idea |
| 02:30.16 | Amarande | If a different strategy became as viable or more so, then it always got considered "OMG, an exploit!" and abilities were nerfed/boss buffed in order to break it |
| 02:30.18 | Legorol | but they are not as specific as you'd think |
| 02:30.23 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: like do you remember how specific placement was on some of the BWL fights like the drakes and chromag |
| 02:30.33 | Legorol | having a "hug up in phase 2 and spread out in phase 3" is a general, not a specific strat in this sense |
| 02:30.34 | Shadowed | To be fair |
| 02:30.39 | Shadowed | The drake fights weren't about specific placement |
| 02:30.41 | Arrowmaster | did the designers use those placements too and players found them too or what |
| 02:30.52 | Amarande | besides, hug-up and spread-out is a VERY common theme throughout raiding |
| 02:30.53 | Shadowed | they were more about general ideas and there were like 6 different areas you could use |
| 02:30.55 | Amarande | it's all over ICC, too |
| 02:31.01 | Shadowed | which changed the strategies somewhat |
| 02:31.06 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: well they were about the tank not getting knocked back and the boss moving around |
| 02:31.07 | Legorol | Amarande: there is difference between exploit and strategies |
| 02:31.11 | Shadowed | yea |
| 02:31.17 | Amarande | I'm trying to think of any fights in ICC that don't require significantly choreographed movement to beat |
| 02:31.28 | Legorol | an ability that allows you to bypass a significant source of damage, player focus or decision making is quite a different thing from alternate strategies |
| 02:31.33 | Wobin | You could consider Saurfang kiting on lootship to be an abuse of terrain |
| 02:31.34 | Amarande | Saurfang and to SOME extent Festergut, maybe? That's about all I can think of |
| 02:31.49 | Shadowed | Twins in sunwell was a pretty good example of Blizzard designing it for A |
| 02:31.50 | Legorol | Amarande: i am not following you |
| 02:31.53 | Shadowed | and everyone uses Z |
| 02:31.54 | Amarande | Pretty sure at least that Saurfang is the only straight up tank & spank in ICC |
| 02:31.59 | Legorol | name me an ICC fight that *does* require coreographed movement |
| 02:32.03 | Legorol | possibly LK |
| 02:32.11 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: how so? how was it designed? |
| 02:32.11 | Amarande | Legorol: Lana'thel? |
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| 02:32.16 | Amarande | Blood Princes? |
| 02:32.22 | Legorol | Amarande: what's coreogrpahed about lana'thel? |
| 02:32.23 | Amarande | the whole blood wing is full of PRECISION movement fights |
| 02:32.27 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster: I don't even remember anymore, but the ledge wasn't the original design |
| 02:32.39 | Wobin | putricide |
| 02:32.42 | Legorol | BQL requires improvisation due to the randomised dispersion by her fear |
| 02:32.44 | Shadowed | cause it outranged the uh |
| 02:32.46 | Wobin | Festergut |
| 02:32.48 | Shadowed | shadow shade thingys |
| 02:32.52 | Legorol | you can't coreograph BQL very precisely |
| 02:32.55 | Amarande | Legorol: can't stand too close to each other or you die. MDPS cannot get too close to the tanks or they die. gotta run straight to your soulmate when the red thing appears or you die. Gotta make sure you keep close enough to your assigned vampire bite target or you go MC and there's a wipe. |
| 02:33.19 | Legorol | Amarande: you just listed a bunch of mechanics that requires reaction, movement and spreading |
| 02:33.20 | Amarande | Gotta time your vampire bite VERY well, or the next bite need comes during fear and you get your whole thing disrupted, go MC and well yeah you die. |
| 02:33.26 | Legorol | but which of those is solved by coreogrpahy? |
| 02:33.42 | alestane | I would say that Blizzard designs their encounters around specific challenges, rather than specific solutions. |
| 02:33.45 | Wobin | Everything can be solved with a heavy application of Jazz Hands |
| 02:33.46 | Legorol | the red beam is solved by "run together" |
| 02:34.01 | Legorol | the MDPS is solved by the general mantra of "attack from behind" |
| 02:34.10 | Legorol | there is a healthy doze of "spread out" |
| 02:34.16 | Legorol | as for the bite, we actually do the opposite |
| 02:34.23 | Legorol | we make our dps bite as soon as possible, for increased dps time |
| 02:34.35 | Legorol | and they cope with biting during air phase just fine, there are ways to do it |
| 02:34.50 | Legorol | what alestane said |
| 02:34.50 | Amarande | ahh, our RL's strategy was to bite at almost the last second |
| 02:34.54 | Amarande | and it SHOULD have worked |
| 02:35.00 | Amarande | we literally wiped sub 100k HP one attempt |
| 02:35.08 | Legorol | that's a safe strat when you are not worried about the berserk timer, but are worried about muppetry |
| 02:35.30 | Legorol | alestane: having said that, often the players converge to the same or similar solutions for the particular challenges |
| 02:36.12 | Legorol | let's take the BQL bite order as an example of how it can be solved in a couple different ways |
| 02:36.28 | Legorol | there's a very popular addon that helps you do it: it whispers who to bite in what order to each vampire |
| 02:36.29 | alestane | I remember a huge number of approaches to Razorgore back in the day, though, and they were comlicated by the fact that pallies were Ally-only and shammies were Horde-only. |
| 02:36.32 | Legorol | it works great |
| 02:36.51 | Legorol | but another way is to instead arrange the ranged dps in specific positions, and they bite each other according to their positioning |
| 02:37.16 | Legorol | razorgore had enough disparate elements to it that many solutions were possible indeed |
| 02:37.18 | Arrowmaster | alestane: but there was the one sure fire strat on razorgore for alliance only |
| 02:37.33 | kd3 | kiting him to vael's room? ;) |
| 02:37.36 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: there were several ways to handle the dragons and the orcs |
| 02:37.39 | Shadowed | DI him Arrowmaster? |
| 02:37.44 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed got it |
| 02:37.47 | Legorol | some guilds kited the dragons, others slept them, yet others killed them |
| 02:37.48 | Shadowed | best strat |
| 02:38.03 | kd3 | is on medivh... not like he doesn't know all about DI'ing razor |
| 02:38.06 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:38.06 | Shadowed | You couldn't really sleep the dragons |
| 02:38.12 | Arrowmaster | we did |
| 02:38.14 | Shadowed | their was too many of them to sleep all of them if I recall |
| 02:38.15 | alestane | I've seen the kiting done with warriors, hunters, pallies and shammies. |
| 02:38.16 | Arrowmaster | some of them |
| 02:38.16 | kd3 | if you sacrificed druids to them |
| 02:38.21 | kd3 | just spam sleep |
| 02:38.26 | Shadowed | so you still ended up kiting most of them |
| 02:38.30 | Shadowed | or maybe you killed them |
| 02:38.33 | Shadowed | who knows |
| 02:38.35 | Shadowed | too long ago |
| 02:38.38 | Arrowmaster | we had two fucking insane hunters that kited all the dragons though |
| 02:38.53 | Arrowmaster | the druids would sleep a loose one and a hunter would pick it up before it woke up |
| 02:38.53 | Legorol | my raid leaders wanted warriors to kite them |
| 02:39.04 | Legorol | even though it worked for many guilds, it was a disaster for us |
| 02:39.08 | Shadowed | Ah yea that was the strat usually |
| 02:39.08 | Amarande | Hell's fire, why do I keep getting trolled tonight :| |
| 02:39.15 | Shadowed | How did you fail at kiting as warriors |
| 02:39.16 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: the figure 8 on the stairs method? |
| 02:39.16 | Legorol | for the simple reason that noone could explain how the warriors were supposed to hold threat on them whilst kiting |
| 02:39.19 | Shadowed | All you did was spam PH |
| 02:39.20 | Legorol | yes |
| 02:39.26 | Legorol | PH was not enough threat though |
| 02:39.33 | Amarande | Arrow: you used to be able to put DI on mobs? |
| 02:39.34 | Legorol | the spamhealing pallies always ripped the dragons off |
| 02:39.45 | Shadowed | The trick was to use a SB or sunder/HS when you pick them up |
| 02:39.54 | Shadowed | and if you lost them just charge and repeat to regrab |
| 02:40.01 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: razorgore was mindcontroled and friendly to the raid and could be DI'd at that point |
| 02:40.04 | Shadowed | you could also do things like spam demo/TC right before you jumped etc etc |
| 02:40.06 | Arrowmaster | they fixed it |
| 02:40.06 | Jerub | speaking of kiting. |
| 02:40.29 | Jerub | kiting blobs on festergut is the easiest freaking thing ever as a druid. |
| 02:40.30 | Legorol | Shadowed: back in those days, that was not explained |
| 02:40.33 | Shadowed | Amarande: When he got MCed, it thought he died so it reset the event, then you released him and he would go hostile again and you could kill him |
| 02:40.41 | Shadowed | (cause DIing takes you out of combat) |
| 02:40.45 | Legorol | and everyone was like "but those warriors in those other guilds can do it, so it should work!" |
| 02:40.47 | Shadowed | haha |
| 02:41.06 | Legorol | i can only speak for myself, but i was a nooob back then and wouldn't have thought of it |
| 02:41.20 | Legorol | any time one warrior got close-ish to a dragon, they usually ended up getting the whole train on them and died |
| 02:41.25 | Legorol | so it looked like a paradox to me |
| 02:41.26 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if anybody has a video of my guilds hunters kitting dragons on razorgore, they were fucking insane |
| 02:42.29 | Arrowmaster | our mages died all the time kiting the humanoids though |
| 02:42.52 | Arrowmaster | and our shamans were forced to stand there and drop totems, if they casted anything else they got aggro and died |
| 02:43.17 | Legorol | why would you kite humanoids? |
| 02:43.19 | Legorol | sheep them ftw |
| 02:43.25 | Shadowed | Kill/CC humans, kite everything else |
| 02:43.42 | Legorol | but yes, some strats kited humanoids instead of the dragons |
| 02:43.46 | Arrowmaster | we killed the casters but the mages kited the melee humanoids |
| 02:44.02 | Legorol | a genuine alternative |
| 02:44.18 | Shadowed | classic seems like it had a lot more variation in strats |
| 02:44.38 | Arrowmaster | some things in BC though didnt seem like it |
| 02:44.44 | Arrowmaster | like illidan |
| 02:45.01 | Arrowmaster | i think everybody used the exact same strat and exact same possitioning |
| 02:45.42 | Arrowmaster | rag has atleast 2 or 3 different positioning methods |
| 02:46.02 | Krahg | I found a game called free realms, and there was a bug with item stats not stacking properly. So I spent several hours hours documenting it with detailed reports and screen shots and submit a bug report. They replied "there is no known issue" and took my daughter's RMT items away. |
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| 02:46.16 | Krahg | that's totally unrelated, but I wanted to share. |
| 02:46.51 | Legorol | is RMT allowed in that game? |
| 02:47.01 | Arrowmaster | Krahg: is that the game where they have some item that gives a speed boost but when they nerfed it they only nerfed it for new people that get it? |
| 02:47.02 | Krahg | It's a free to play model |
| 02:47.16 | Arrowmaster | and yet the game has leaderboards for doing races or something |
| 02:47.23 | Krahg | so it's income is completely rmt |
| 02:47.24 | Xyphoid | i liked the streaming client model a lot |
| 02:47.33 | Legorol | Krahg: then wtf? sucks.. |
| 02:48.14 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: that's the problem with RMT-based games. If you advertise an item as doing A and you sell it, you can't easily nerf it |
| 02:48.18 | Krahg | I will give their csr credit though, they answered the ticket within 2 hours, and each reply before they decided it was not an issue took less than three hours. |
| 02:48.29 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: it was a quest reward item |
| 02:48.40 | Legorol | like my mobile company.. they found out that they can't cope with unlimited data plans, so they stopped doing them for new customers..but old ones on old contract still get unlimited |
| 02:48.47 | Krahg | and when they took the item they didn't say they would refund the money so I filed an very angry ticket and it was fixed in twenty minutes. |
| 02:48.48 | Corrodias | Krahg: is that game run by Sony? |
| 02:48.49 | Legorol | i was 3 days late signing up for getting unlimited >.< |
| 02:48.52 | Krahg | yes sony |
| 02:48.58 | Corrodias | big surprise |
| 02:48.59 | Krahg | the same company as Everquest II |
| 02:49.15 | Arrowmaster | SOE is the destoryer of MMOs |
| 02:49.27 | Xyphoid | free realms is pretty fun for a week |
| 02:49.30 | Krahg | It's not a bad game, but it could be totally offline and I don't think I would notice. My daughter loves it. |
| 02:49.31 | ckknight | http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7kr81x3fz1qzpwi0o1_400.gif |
| 02:49.31 | Legorol | didn't sony create EverQuest? |
| 02:49.41 | Krahg | SHe is four |
| 02:49.50 | Amarande | heh. I used to joke that Sony only accepts customer service employees who have a record of being fired from at least one previous job for poor customer service |
| 02:50.03 | kd3 | ckk; the hell? |
| 02:50.25 | Krahg | I got her a trick that makes her a squirrel and it amused her for more than an hour just pressing the space bar and saying 'the squirrel jumps' |
| 02:50.25 | Xyphoid | it has a hedge maze, more mmos should have hedge mazes |
| 02:50.26 | Amarande | particularly in the bad old days of EQ where it seemed every time you turned around you heard a story about a perceived egregious bannination by Verant |
| 02:51.09 | Krahg | I played Eq II for a while when I was unable to get WoW in Korea. |
| 02:51.16 | alestane | http://hungoverowls.tumblr.com/post/857578403/man-i-cant-i-cant-deal-with-this-right-now |
| 02:51.34 | Krahg | but they did an expansion and it was interesting, then they did another and it really seemed a lot like the first one to me. |
| 02:51.44 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: depending on the model used for item data, they might only have been reasonably ABLE to nerf the item for new people who got it |
| 02:51.47 | Amarande | look at, say, Diablo II |
| 02:51.54 | Krahg | and I lost interest in eq II about two days after that. |
| 02:51.56 | Corrodias | Krahg: wait, are we still talking about everquest, or is it WoW now? |
| 02:51.58 | Amarande | where when they had the 1.09 and 1.10 patches |
| 02:52.05 | Amarande | they changed how some uniques' stats were when dropped |
| 02:52.11 | Amarande | but couldn't really do anything to the ones that people already had |
| 02:52.19 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: no it was a deliberate intention to not nerf it for people that already had it or something |
| 02:52.21 | Amarande | hence why .08 items were worth a TON and were usually duped mercilessly for money |
| 02:52.23 | Legorol | coming back to differing strats in WoW.. generally most bosses require a general plan, and the online strat guides will detail that plan |
| 02:52.36 | Legorol | but each guild/group has to tailor a variety of particulars to their setup |
| 02:52.51 | Legorol | at least in my experience |
| 02:52.59 | Legorol | which is why just reading up on the strat and/or watching videos is not enough |
| 02:53.08 | Legorol | there are details that need working out and tweeking |
| 02:53.31 | Amarande | Legorol: and why pugs that only take people with GS that requires them to basically be full i271+ with corresponding ICC experience fall flat on their faces |
| 02:53.44 | Xyphoid | yeah, the guy leading our raid went along with his bro's group for a day, came back and started changing everything around based on that |
| 02:53.49 | Amarande | while groups that don't give a damn about GS and have multiple sub-5200 or even sub-4800 people go 6/12 or better without much trouble? |
| 02:54.03 | Xyphoid | instant fail, because he didn't consider things like 'we have 1 ranged today' |
| 02:54.17 | Amarande | eww |
| 02:54.22 | Krahg | Amarande, what I find amusing is level 30 players putting together For the Horde and not allowing any non-80s |
| 02:54.25 | Amarande | I'd dread going to ICC with a group that had only one RDPS |
| 02:54.34 | Amarande | I'm not even sure how viable such a group could even be |
| 02:54.54 | Legorol | it's not as bad as you think, if we are talking 10-man |
| 02:54.55 | Krahg | or average iLevel 200 for totGc (heroic) require 6k+ |
| 02:54.55 | Amarande | considering that there seem to be so many boss fights where you spend a lot of time moving, and at least a couple with "no you can't stand too close together" rules |
| 02:54.57 | Legorol | since healers are ranged too |
| 02:55.21 | Amarande | which would seem to totally ruin a melee heavy party, since you'd have to run out and in so much, lose a ton of DPS and probably hit enrage because of it |
| 02:55.37 | Legorol | it's called berserk |
| 02:55.44 | Legorol | enrage is a different mechanic :P |
| 02:55.59 | Legorol | ducks |
| 02:56.01 | Amarande | like lana'thel or blood princes come to mind, are those even *possible* if you have only 1 ranged? :) |
| 02:56.12 | Legorol | as i said, healers count as ranged |
| 02:56.13 | Legorol | so yes |
| 02:56.23 | Legorol | as for blood princes, there is no requirement to be ranged |
| 02:56.35 | Legorol | it sucks more on the movement, but no intrinsic punishment |
| 02:56.44 | Legorol | unlike festergut, where you *must* have 3 ranged |
| 02:56.50 | Legorol | but you can use healers for that |
| 02:57.42 | Amarande | Legorol: I was more thinking about the fact that with blood princes, you're going to hemorrhage DPS on a melee heavy party, with corresponding berserk timer issues |
| 02:57.55 | Legorol | blood princes doesn't have berserk timer issues |
| 02:57.56 | Amarande | *especially* when Valanar is the target |
| 02:58.23 | Amarande | Valanar screws a melee heavy raid, because you have to both be almost on top of each other to DPS, while you have to keep running out because of ESV |
| 02:58.24 | Wobin | ugh, you don't want healers on the outside for festergut if you can help it |
| 02:58.28 | Legorol | you could feasibly make 2-3 melee guys just go stand in the other half of the room during valanar and you'd still be fine |
| 02:58.43 | Amarande | and yeah, 3 ranged is for the gas spore thing so your ranged don't gib from pungent blight right? |
| 02:58.47 | Legorol | no |
| 02:58.50 | Amarande | and damn if pungent blight isn't potent |
| 02:58.50 | Legorol | ranged is for vile gas |
| 02:59.01 | Legorol | the thing that makes you disoriented and throw up |
| 02:59.05 | Amarande | Let's put it this way. AMS'ing Pungent Blight is worth *203 runic power*. |
| 02:59.12 | Wobin | the disorient is terrible for healers |
| 02:59.14 | Amarande | I think that's THE most RP you can get from one hit under AMS IN THE GAME. |
| 02:59.16 | Legorol | fester will target a ranged person (on 10-man, only one) if there are at least 3 in range |
| 02:59.23 | Legorol | otherwise he throws it on everyone in melee |
| 02:59.31 | Wobin | and it knocks -everyone- out |
| 02:59.56 | Amarande | And then you hit berserk, because Festergut's timer is super short and he has the most HP of them all until you hit Lana'thel :) |
| 03:00.01 | Legorol | spores give you a buff (technically a debuff, but effectively a buff) that reduce damage from teh pungent blight |
| 03:00.04 | Legorol | nothing to do with the vile gas |
| 03:00.21 | Legorol | for fester, a melee heavy group is pretty good actually |
| 03:00.26 | Legorol | as the melee can dps without hindrance |
| 03:00.31 | Amarande | btw, is the honored Ashen Verdict ring the only 259 item in the game? |
| 03:00.40 | Legorol | 259? O.o |
| 03:00.44 | Legorol | interesting |
| 03:00.47 | Legorol | isn't it 258? |
| 03:01.03 | Amarande | Nope. 259. |
| 03:01.04 | Amarande | http://www.elitistarmory.com/US/Turalyon/Vladoka |
| 03:01.07 | Legorol | cool |
| 03:01.07 | Amarande | check hers :) |
| 03:01.12 | Legorol | i beleive |
| 03:02.02 | Amarande | also, apparently now that I'm in ICC it's actually a GOOD thing that I took 3 in subversion instead of using 2 of those points to get 3/3 blood-caked |
| 03:02.09 | Amarande | at least with my current raid leader |
| 03:02.18 | Legorol | i think that's a smart choice |
| 03:02.21 | Amarande | the way we've been doing lana'thel, for instance |
| 03:02.25 | Amarande | we DO NOT want me to be the first bitten |
| 03:02.29 | Amarande | and that almost guarantees I'm not it |
| 03:02.35 | Legorol | the theorycrafted difference between subversion and bcb is about 0.3% dps per point, if i remember right |
| 03:02.41 | Legorol | the threat reduction is just so useful in comparison |
| 03:02.49 | Amarande | see, the thing about that is |
| 03:02.53 | Amarande | I think the RL has the right of it there |
| 03:03.08 | Amarande | I do think it's best that MDPS be the second last to be vamped, right before tanks (who have to be last) |
| 03:03.12 | Legorol | btw, why would you not want to be the first bitten? |
| 03:03.28 | Legorol | please elaborate |
| 03:03.38 | Amarande | Legorol: it results in even more movement to account for, in particular |
| 03:03.42 | Amarande | remember, I'm *melee* DPS |
| 03:03.45 | Legorol | so? |
| 03:03.51 | Legorol | why would you being bitten result in movement? |
| 03:03.59 | Amarande | Because if I'm the first bitten |
| 03:04.04 | Amarande | then I have to go pick a ranged to be my first bite |
| 03:04.09 | Legorol | and? |
| 03:04.11 | Amarande | since you have to leave the tanks for last (very obviously) |
| 03:04.21 | Legorol | after that very first bite, you just bite melee |
| 03:04.25 | Legorol | and each melee does melee in turn |
| 03:04.33 | Amarande | Yeah ... we only had two MDPS that raid, though |
| 03:04.39 | Amarande | if we were more melee heavy that time it would have been different |
| 03:04.44 | Legorol | still not a big issue |
| 03:04.50 | Legorol | the amount of movement required for biting is quite small |
| 03:04.51 | Amarande | the RL wanted to save us for the second last set of vamps so we could bite the tanks easily |
| 03:04.55 | Legorol | not more than running together for a red beam |
| 03:05.05 | Legorol | you generally should select who to bite based on how high their dps is |
| 03:05.12 | Amarande | that too |
| 03:05.12 | Legorol | you want your highest dps players to be vampires asap |
| 03:05.17 | Legorol | if that's melee, then go for melee |
| 03:05.19 | Amarande | they wanted to make sure the kingslayer warlock who was with us was the first |
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| 03:05.41 | Legorol | because he is a KS and has big epeen, or because he does good dps :P |
| 03:05.42 | Amarande | in any case, there was very little wrong with our order |
| 03:05.54 | Amarande | since we literally got her down to ~90k HP on our best attempt |
| 03:06.05 | Legorol | generally you can't really do too bad with the order imo |
| 03:06.12 | Amarande | and I think the wipe there was a ranged screwing up and getting MC'd, otherwise we had her for sure |
| 03:06.25 | Legorol | oh an MC is a wipe for sure, if you are tight on berserk timer |
| 03:06.36 | Amarande | I find it hard to ascertain the exact causes of wipes, since I'm usually practically tunnel-visioned on my assigned tasks and don't really pay much attention to what's going on outside of that |
| 03:06.39 | Legorol | not only is it a big dps loss, the MC-d person then often proceeds to kill other dps |
| 03:06.48 | Amarande | Legorol: actually yeah it was because people were killed |
| 03:07.04 | Amarande | I think we still had at least 30-60 seconds left |
| 03:07.06 | Legorol | when you are still just progressing on her, you can't really afford MC-s |
| 03:07.17 | Legorol | that's a lot in that fight >.< |
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| 03:07.25 | Legorol | everyone's a vampire, usually pop hero at that point and trinkets etc. |
| 03:07.32 | Amarande | yeah our DPS was definitely really good for that |
| 03:07.35 | Amarande | bloodlust, dude. bloodlust. ;) |
| 03:07.39 | Amarande | you silly alliance folks :D |
| 03:07.42 | Legorol | :D |
| 03:07.53 | Amarande | not that we'll be seeing that for long |
| 03:07.59 | Amarande | once cata comes out, everyone will just want to do the time warp again :D |
| 03:07.59 | Xyphoid | i still call it bloodlust and i'm playing alliance at present |
| 03:08.03 | Xyphoid | annoys people on vent |
| 03:08.11 | Legorol | hehe |
| 03:08.16 | Amarande | actually, a lot of shamans are worried about competing for raid spots vs. mages in cata |
| 03:08.18 | Amarande | particularly DPS shamans |
| 03:08.29 | Xyphoid | here's how you do it |
| 03:08.34 | kd3 | aw... they actually have to do dps instead of hitting the i-win button? |
| 03:08.37 | Amarande | beta folks: is there still a good reason to bring an ele shaman in cata now that mages have time warp? |
| 03:08.39 | Legorol | ther'es an interesting thing about hero/lust, it's a bit overrated in one sense: |
| 03:08.39 | Xyphoid | 'i won't compete with you for caster cloth' |
| 03:08.53 | Amarande | kd3: they still do dps, but they're afraid they're not going to do enough compared to mages |
| 03:09.00 | Amarande | and since their big raid utility is being duplicated by mages |
| 03:09.01 | Legorol | yes it's a decent dps boost, but in practice you tend to gain a big dps boost on hero/lust also because people sync their trinkets etc. with it |
| 03:09.05 | Xyphoid | being worried about that right now is just stupid |
| 03:09.09 | kd3 | the numbers pass hasn't happened yet. if anyone's crying about numbers, they're being short-sighted |
| 03:09.12 | Xyphoid | it's still beta, they're adding new *mechanics* |
| 03:09.18 | Legorol | so not only is it a small haste buff, but it tends to end up as the "burst now, guys" factor |
| 03:09.29 | Amarande | I think they're afraid they're going to be forced to heal full time again like they had to in classic |
| 03:09.39 | Legorol | you could achieve a similar result with just a call on vent/whatever, without the hero/lust itself |
| 03:09.43 | Amarande | and often had to in BC, too, depending on tank gear/skill |
| 03:09.57 | Amarande | being a DPS shaman in BC was really living on the edge a lot of the time :) |
| 03:10.20 | Legorol | i don't think anyone will ever be forced to play a role they don't want to, ever again |
| 03:10.27 | Legorol | i should clarify that a bit |
| 03:10.39 | Legorol | in the sense that you won't have the "shamans can only heal, paladins can only tank" mentality |
| 03:11.01 | Amarande | Legorol: I think the latter happened in BC because ret was kinda wimpy |
| 03:11.07 | Legorol | i think wotlk progressed the game to the point wherey ou now have the following "classes": ele shaman, resto druid, boomkin, tankadin |
| 03:11.08 | Legorol | and so on |
| 03:11.13 | Amarande | then there was the massive ret overbalance fiasco of 3.0.2 |
| 03:11.41 | Legorol | a particular class might get benched (althoughh i doubt it), but i don't think people look at it as the same class anymore |
| 03:11.53 | Xyphoid | if you're a good player you'll get into a raid in cataclysm |
| 03:11.57 | Legorol | like, i don't think guilds will say "hey Joe, you are a shammy, you are no good as ele, go healing" |
| 03:12.02 | Legorol | instead they'll get a resto shammy |
| 03:12.06 | Amarande | Legorol: otoh, a guild might go |
| 03:12.12 | Xyphoid | if you were being taken along just to cast bloodlust, maybe not |
| 03:12.22 | Amarande | "hey Joe, your shammy isn't doing as good of DPS as Jim's mage" |
| 03:12.29 | Amarande | and thus keep asking Joe to have his shammy heal instead |
| 03:12.29 | Legorol | sure |
| 03:12.37 | Legorol | well, no |
| 03:12.42 | kd3 | but such concerns are presently invalid |
| 03:12.48 | Legorol | how would they ask Joe to heal when he is an *ele* shaman |
| 03:12.49 | kd3 | devs are working on mechanics, not numbers |
| 03:12.51 | Legorol | that's my point |
| 03:12.54 | Legorol | an ele shaman can't heal |
| 03:12.54 | Amarande | Legorol: dual spec? |
| 03:13.01 | Xyphoid | maybe shamans will attract space turtles in cataclysm. what if space turtles make you wipe? |
| 03:13.03 | Amarande | how many ele shamans are ever going to have any secondary spec other than resto :) |
| 03:13.07 | Legorol | dual spec doesn't solve lack of gearing and experience |
| 03:13.08 | Xyphoid | i'm going to go complain on the forum now |
| 03:13.30 | Legorol | what i'm trying to say is this: |
| 03:13.39 | Amarande | also, are tanks going to be as easy mode TPS-wise in Cata as they are now? |
| 03:13.47 | Legorol | just like it's possible, but doesn't happen often that a guild says "Joe, ele shammies' dps suck, go reroll a mage" |
| 03:13.52 | Amarande | or is it going to be a return to BC like days where again being a DPS shaman will be living on the edge? |
| 03:14.05 | Legorol | thanks to the changes in wotlk it is now less likely (but of course still possible) that they will tell Joe to start healing instead of pew pew |
| 03:14.20 | kd3 | amarande; who's to say? the numbers aren't in yet |
| 03:14.21 | Legorol | Amarande: i wouldn't say tanks have easy tps |
| 03:14.30 | kd3 | don't worry about it until we get closer to release |
| 03:14.34 | Legorol | especially aoe is a problem due to poor scaling atm |
| 03:14.39 | Amarande | Legorol: tanks do stratospheric TPS now in LK, though |
| 03:14.48 | Xyphoid | you can assume that some specs will feel aggrieved and complain a lot at release |
| 03:14.48 | Legorol | on single target? |
| 03:15.21 | Amarande | to the point that DPS classes almost never need to worry about threat unless it's a fight where the meters need manipulation (e.g., directing the first bite on Lana'thel) or they're massively better geared than the tank |
| 03:15.50 | Legorol | i'd like to disagree with that |
| 03:16.00 | Legorol | if that's your experience, are you getting MD-s and or tot-s from rogues? |
| 03:16.17 | Legorol | in my experience, generally without md or tot, the dps can ride the tank quite hard |
| 03:16.39 | Legorol | especially on static fights like BQL or fester |
| 03:16.51 | Amarande | I'm not sure about tricks and MD's |
| 03:16.58 | Legorol | they make a very big difference |
| 03:17.04 | Amarande | I've only gotten to Lana'thel this week, so far |
| 03:17.06 | Legorol | MDs are not a big issue though, so might as well have it |
| 03:17.09 | Amarande | and we didn't have any hunters OR rogues in our raid |
| 03:17.15 | Legorol | right |
| 03:17.26 | Legorol | of course our experiences might be affected by at least two thigns: |
| 03:17.35 | Legorol | your dps is not as well geared as the tank, so they don't put out that much dps/threat |
| 03:17.51 | Legorol | our tanks are crap and play badly, not doing enuogh threat |
| 03:18.05 | Amarande | and actually we didn't have any problems with tank threat on Lana |
| 03:18.13 | Amarande | we did however have a specific bite order in mind |
| 03:18.24 | Amarande | and had to be careful about the DPS threat in order to ensure the right person was at the right spot |
| 03:18.35 | Amarande | actually ... there was one time with the OT |
| 03:18.46 | Amarande | one time, we got our plan screwed up because the kingslayer warlock was doing so much DPS that he out-threated the OT |
| 03:18.50 | Amarande | and caused the bite to go to #4 on omen |
| 03:18.51 | Legorol | the OT's position on threat meter is irrelevant, so you can ignore that |
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| 03:19.10 | Amarande | Legorol: on Lana'thel, her first bite always goes to the person *directly below the OT* |
| 03:19.14 | Legorol | nope |
| 03:19.22 | Legorol | it goes to the 3rd or 4th |
| 03:19.23 | Amarande | normally #3, but if a DPS gets in between tanks on the meter, it will be #4 |
| 03:19.35 | Legorol | it is chosen randomly from between #3 and #4 |
| 03:19.40 | Amarande | randomly? hmm |
| 03:19.42 | Legorol | yes |
| 03:19.48 | Amarande | it was always #3 that I saw, anyway |
| 03:20.02 | Legorol | it *seems* to me, but this could just be a biased experience, that it's more often #3 than #4 |
| 03:20.10 | Amarande | except for the one time it was #4 |
| 03:20.12 | Amarande | which, it appears |
| 03:20.16 | Legorol | however, having killed BQL many times on both normal and heroic, i can say for sure that it can be #4 |
| 03:20.34 | Amarande | was because she will NOT choose a tank (and appears to consider both the MT and the guy linked to him with the perma red beam to be tanks) |
| 03:20.41 | Legorol | yes |
| 03:20.54 | Amarande | but basically, what this seems to mean is |
| 03:21.01 | Amarande | if your tanks go to #1 and #3 instead of #1 and #2 |
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| 03:21.07 | Legorol | then it's #2 and #4 |
| 03:21.10 | Amarande | the guy who's #2 (who was PROBABLY who you wanted to be your first bite) WON'T GET PICKED |
| 03:21.15 | Legorol | sure he can be |
| 03:21.31 | Amarande | although it also seems to me that BQL is a fight with a huge amount of randomness |
| 03:21.33 | Legorol | i apologise if i confused you with 3 and 4, i meant in case the MT/OT are top |
| 03:21.47 | Antiarc | Woooo. |
| 03:21.48 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/0mfPx.jpg |
| 03:21.49 | Antiarc | KACHOW. |
| 03:21.53 | Antiarc | (completely off topic)_ |
| 03:21.58 | Amarande | btw, is BQL easier on 25 than 10? |
| 03:22.03 | Legorol | i should have said: "chosen from the two highest non-tank characters, which in practice typically means 3 and 4" |
| 03:22.11 | Legorol | no, the berserk timer is much tighter |
| 03:22.18 | Legorol | and the air phase is ridiculous |
| 03:22.26 | Legorol | you have far less space, as you have 25 people |
| 03:22.30 | Jerub | Antiarc: what app is that? |
| 03:22.38 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/being_british.jpg |
| 03:22.41 | Amarande | now to get back to the other thing about DPS and threat |
| 03:22.45 | Amarande | back in the day, especially in BC |
| 03:22.45 | Legorol | when you progress initially, it typically goes like: "ok, we are doing ok, air phase coming, bam, half of raid dead" |
| 03:23.00 | Amarande | DPS seemed to really have to worry about holding back a lot unless the tank far overgeared them, and even then sometimes, in order not to pull |
| 03:23.22 | Amarande | in LK, it seems like you almost *can't* pull aggro off the tank (single target, anyway) if they're reasonably geared vis-a-vis you |
| 03:23.28 | Jerub | i love talking about BC. it makes me so glad that those days are dead. |
| 03:23.40 | Antiarc | Jerub: WordFeud |
| 03:23.42 | Legorol | i'm afraid i have to go, gnight |
| 03:23.49 | Jerub | Antiarc: is it multiplayer? |
| 03:23.49 | Amarande | hence why I referenced DPS shamans in particular, and wondered whether Cata will be more like BC or LK regarding them |
| 03:23.51 | Antiarc | Yup |
| 03:23.55 | Jerub | Antiarc: awesome. |
| 03:24.15 | Amarande | in BC, DPS shamans were almost always dancing right on the threat cap |
| 03:24.21 | Amarande | and the worst thing is that shamans have no threat drop |
| 03:24.45 | Amarande | so you pull, you die, unless the mob is tauntable (and in BC, it seemed immune to taunt was an epidemic condition among bosses and stronger mobs) |
| 03:25.19 | Krahg | Yay sort of... my wife won the lottery |
| 03:25.33 | Amarande | Did shamans get a threat drop in LK? I haven't played mine since BC :| |
| 03:25.37 | Xyphoid | wind shear |
| 03:25.40 | Xyphoid | reincarnation |
| 03:25.54 | Jerub | Krahg: isn't that good? |
| 03:25.56 | Amarande | self-rez should not be considered a threat drop tool :| |
| 03:25.59 | Krahg | I signed her up when I signed up, since I do all the account management. |
| 03:26.16 | Krahg | Well it's good for her |
| 03:26.17 | Amarande | 'specially considering that to self-rez, you have to have died first ... which means you may have already disrupted the boss's positioning |
| 03:26.30 | Amarande | particularly if you were ele, and so rdps |
| 03:26.41 | Cidan | Yay lottery! |
| 03:26.47 | Krahg | My account still doesn't have beta ... but at least I can watch the NA version and not the KR version now. |
| 03:26.50 | Jerub | oooh |
| 03:26.55 | Jerub | Krahg: hah, wow beta lottery. |
| 03:27.06 | Cidan | Pj |
| 03:27.07 | Cidan | Oh |
| 03:27.09 | Jerub | i thought you meant the other lottery. |
| 03:27.10 | Cidan | I thought you meant like |
| 03:27.13 | Cidan | the real thing. |
| 03:27.14 | Cidan | ha. |
| 03:27.39 | Krahg | I suspect the odds are better for the cash lottery... |
| 03:28.09 | Krahg | My friends in the lottery are all players who 'quit' playing |
| 03:28.27 | Krahg | My wife hasn't logged in regularly for a cuople of weeks and now she got a invite. |
| 03:28.30 | Dagmar | Anyone going to notice if one of 'em turns up missing? |
| 03:29.07 | Xyphoid | i wonder if i'm eligible with an account that's been cancelled but with time left |
| 03:32.18 | Cidan | Prolly not. |
| 03:32.57 | Krahg | xyphoid that was the condition of my account when I was invited to the BC beta |
| 03:35.09 | Cidan | Huh, nevermind then, :D |
| 03:35.16 | Amarande | Random invites are random. |
| 03:39.47 | Krahg | the warped perspective is probably from who I know, not the actual way they send out the lottery invites. |
| 03:40.07 | Krahg | Simply, most of the players I know are quiting or leaving until Cata comes out. |
| 03:40.38 | Amarande | I was almost about to do that myself, heh |
| 03:40.47 | Amarande | Until my interest in WoW was revitalized by finally finding a regular ICC10 |
| 03:41.13 | Amarande | I'd got to the point where ... ok, Vladoka's done |
| 03:41.27 | Jerub | i'm excited about cata |
| 03:41.33 | Jerub | it will make playing my 80s fun again |
| 03:41.36 | Amarande | only things I could upgrade anymore seemed to need Frost badges, which I was only then able to get at the two a day rate |
| 03:41.43 | Krahg | having a decent team makes a huge difference |
| 03:41.43 | Jerub | instead of a battle of the wills on vent with stupid raid leaders. |
| 03:41.45 | Amarande | and raiding, which seemed out of reach for me as more and more people focused on GS |
| 03:42.11 | Jerub | we had a big set-to on trade the other night about "why do i need vent, i have the achievement and a gs over 9000" |
| 03:42.40 | Jerub | it was fun ranting and raving about GS doesn't matter if you don't know how to stack on green ooze target. |
| 03:43.06 | Amarande | heh, we still tend to skip Putricide on our ICC10's and move on to Blood wing or Valithria |
| 03:43.57 | Jerub | Amarande: yeah, because communication and raid awareness are too hard for people who spend half their time looking at atlasloot... |
| 03:43.57 | Amarande | Jerub: heh, not to mention he's a totally obvious troll |
| 03:44.05 | Amarande | since I *believe* THE highest possible GS is currently ... 7021? |
| 03:44.46 | Amarande | It's a smidge over 7000 anyway, and you don't want anyone with that GS because that means they combined tank and dps plate to max it out, so I'm told |
| 03:45.00 | Jerub | Amarande: i was being facetious. |
| 03:45.07 | Jerub | that wasn't a direct quote |
| 03:45.15 | Amarande | Jerub: some people do claim a GS that high heh |
| 03:45.25 | Jerub | i always claim my gs is over 9000 when asked. |
| 03:45.37 | Jerub | why wouldn't i? |
| 03:45.44 | Amarande | and yes, I actually do tend to look at atlasloot while on the way to boss fights |
| 03:45.58 | Amarande | so I can see which possible drops are upgrades, and who else might want that same item |
| 03:46.23 | Amarande | otherwise I have to make spot decisions after the boss kill which aren't always 100% accurate |
| 03:46.39 | Amarande | I'm STILL not sure Saurfang's ring is an upgrade over the STR based MDPS ring from triumph badges |
| 03:46.47 | Amarande | *checks Rawr* |
| 03:48.39 | Amarande | ok, it is an upgrade after all |
| 03:48.51 | Amarande | an *extremely* slight one though ... it appears it gives less than 10 additional DPS |
| 03:58.47 | Thunder_Child | because thats not true? |
| 03:58.50 | Dagmar | Hang onto it anyway |
| 03:59.14 | Dagmar | God only knows WTF it's stats will be once Cata changes happen. Just keep anything 213 or better in the bank. |
| 04:00.01 | Jerub | i would probably say 232 or greater. |
| 04:00.08 | Jerub | i have a wealth of 232+ items in my bank.. |
| 04:00.23 | Jerub | i've only been throwing away stuff if say i have the 232T9 piece and i got the 245T9 piece. |
| 04:00.31 | Dagmar | Same here, which is why I'm not keeping 213's around. |
| 04:00.35 | Dagmar | Amarande, on the other hand... |
| 04:00.39 | Amarande | also: are MDPS and tank items going to be even more similar, if not even outright the *same* when Cata comes out? |
| 04:00.53 | Dagmar | Well, I'm keeping *some* 213's because they've been fucking stingy with the guns |
| 04:00.55 | Arrowmaster | i think i logged out wearing T1 |
| 04:00.56 | Amarande | I still have the 245 triumph ring in my inv. Haven't deleted it yet. |
| 04:01.06 | Arrowmaster | full felheart |
| 04:01.15 | Arrowmaster | wonder what the stats will be in cata |
| 04:01.17 | Amarande | Dagmar: ranged weapons in general really |
| 04:01.18 | Dagmar | Amarande: They might, they might not be the same |
| 04:01.29 | Amarande | Remember when I actually had a hunter and was entertaining the idea of getting to 80 and making my own purple ammo? |
| 04:01.30 | Dagmar | If nothing else they'll still sell to a vendor just fine |
| 04:01.39 | Amarande | And was Gnomish engineering, so I wanted to find a bow |
| 04:01.44 | Dagmar | Ugh |
| 04:01.44 | Xyphoid | i'd be shocked if some legacy items don't get totally messed up |
| 04:01.53 | Xyphoid | there are still quest rewards with no stats right now |
| 04:02.08 | Amarande | And at the time ... basically, the only options for bows were from ToGC, Auriaya 25, and the PvP bow that required 2200 rating. |
| 04:02.27 | Jerub | Auriaya 25 :D |
| 04:02.30 | Arrowmaster | they should change some legacy items to be super unique and powerful just for the hell of it if they cant be obtained anymore and almost nobody has them |
| 04:02.32 | Amarande | At least, for ones you'd actually want to take to ICC. |
| 04:02.38 | Jerub | one of those bosses you'll be very lucky to ever see again |
| 04:02.54 | Amarande | Jerub: and which probably still kills highly geared PUGs even now |
| 04:03.05 | Xyphoid | [Demon's Blood] will turn out to be ashbringer ALL ALONG |
| 04:03.10 | Amarande | screw up the pull, and your MT gets hit to the tune of about 80k all at once, bye now! |
| 04:03.24 | Amarande | Even ICC geared tanks don't have THAT much ;) |
| 04:03.24 | Dagmar | That's why you let the mage pull |
| 04:03.25 | Arrowmaster | Xyphoid: no its going to be vendorstrike that turns into ashbringer |
| 04:03.33 | Jerub | Amarande: raid buffed i hit 65 |
| 04:03.40 | Jerub | with cds i hit 100 |
| 04:03.44 | Dagmar | If the mage takes 80k, who gives a damn |
| 04:04.08 | Arrowmaster | they should totally change the spell on vendorstrike in cata to make it transform into corrupted ashbringer |
| 04:04.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: if you have to get someone killed to pull off the pull, though, something's wrong in general ;) |
| 04:04.28 | Amarande | I thought Word of God was that PLAYERS WILL NOT GET ASHBRINGER OR FROSTMOURNE, PERIOD? |
| 04:04.30 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yes, the mage wasn't paying attention when the RL asked the hunter to MD pull. ;) |
| 04:04.52 | Jerub | also, OMG FAIL. toc25 where no one seemed to know the twins fight :( |
| 04:05.03 | Jerub | it used to be that you just dealt with 3 wipes on anub and called it |
| 04:05.04 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: people already have ashbringer |
| 04:05.06 | Dagmar | Wow. Crap raid leader |
| 04:05.07 | Jerub | now we're calling it on twins :( |
| 04:05.13 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: I mean, the real Ashbringer |
| 04:05.17 | Amarande | and not the GM only one :P |
| 04:05.24 | Arrowmaster | gm only one? |
| 04:05.32 | Amarande | yes, there's been an ashbringer in the game for a long while |
| 04:05.33 | Amarande | gold quality |
| 04:05.36 | Amarande | but it's a GM only item |
| 04:05.44 | Dagmar | If someone's RL'ing a PUG and they don't make an attempt to explain the fights, they have only themselves to blame. |
| 04:05.57 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: ashbringer dropped in naxx |
| 04:06.08 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: that was corrupted ashbringer, not the "real" one :) |
| 04:06.19 | Arrowmaster | right but its been in the game and people have it |
| 04:06.29 | Jerub | Dagmar: i explained the fight in raid chat, no vent :( |
| 04:06.39 | Amarande | Word of God, I'm pretty sure, is that players will NEVER get the uncorrupted Ashbringer to use |
| 04:06.42 | Jerub | and it's so easy. tl;dr- kill the shield, swap essence when dbm says. |
| 04:07.06 | Amarande | nor Frostmourne |
| 04:07.18 | Jerub | one shield was going down with 5 seconds to spare, the other shield couldn't get past 80% |
| 04:07.21 | Amarande | and I always laugh when I start ICC and hear the bit about how they won't let Bolvar become a slave to the Lich King |
| 04:07.28 | Amarande | ... no ... it's much worse than that, you silly ... ;) |
| 04:08.12 | Arrowmaster | they are concerned about bolvar? |
| 04:08.31 | Arrowmaster | surafang could kick bolvars ass anyday |
| 04:08.45 | Amarande | um |
| 04:08.50 | Amarande | you know what happens to Bolvar in the end don't you? ;) |
| 04:09.05 | Arrowmaster | end of wraithgate? or end of ICC? |
| 04:09.08 | Amarande | end of ICC |
| 04:09.17 | Arrowmaster | no i havent raided since naxx25 |
| 04:10.43 | Dagmar | He becomes the new Kingston mascot |
| 04:11.10 | Xyphoid | i liked the wedding between bolvar and tirion |
| 04:11.12 | Xyphoid | it was so romantic |
| 04:11.24 | Amarande | hmm, looks like the exalted ashen verdict ring is THE best ring in the game |
| 04:11.55 | Amarande | can you get there simply by ICC10 runs, or is it like old school raid factions where once you hit revered only a small handful of things give any rep anymore? |
| 04:12.04 | Xyphoid | you can get there without killing bosses |
| 04:12.13 | Amarande | or BC where dungeon factions stopped giving rep unless you went to heroic |
| 04:12.18 | Xyphoid | people ground to exalted in the first week iirc |
| 04:12.27 | Amarande | (actually, speaking of which, is there actually any difference between regular and heroic trash in ICC, or only bosses?) |
| 04:15.06 | Amarande | also |
| 04:15.12 | Amarande | shadowmourne is stupidly imba and needs a nerf. seriously. |
| 04:15.33 | Amarande | the fact that it STILL theorycrafts as the highest DPS by almost 400 vs. the second highest option |
| 04:15.40 | Amarande | ON A SPEC THAT IS DESIGNED VIRTUALLY EXCLUSIVELY FOR DUAL WIELD |
| 04:15.42 | Amarande | = broken. |
| 04:15.46 | Xyphoid | ... |
| 04:16.06 | Amarande | Xyphoid: a 2H should *not* be being the BiS weapon for frost-*DW* spec |
| 04:16.22 | Ackis | ~seen lua_bot |
| 04:16.24 | purl | lua_bot <~lua_bot@li37-84.members.linode.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4d 12h 34m 36s ago, saying: 'malreth: nan'. |
| 04:16.26 | Amarande | that just suggests said 2H is unbalanced to the point of insanity |
| 04:16.29 | Amarande | even if it *is* a legendary |
| 04:16.45 | Amarande | I could understand it simply being *high* on the list, due to the power associated with legendaries |
| 04:17.00 | Amarande | but BiS for a spec that isn't even designed for 2H? |
| 04:17.02 | Xyphoid | well, it's pretty bad for my shaman |
| 04:18.39 | Amarande | lol |
| 04:18.40 | Dagmar | Amarande: WTF are you talking about a 2-hander shoulnd't be the BiS for frost dual-weild |
| 04:18.45 | Dagmar | That's just retarded. |
| 04:18.59 | Amarande | Dagmar: frost dual-wield, *especially* when you're talking a spec that uses threat of thassarian |
| 04:19.05 | Amarande | is, by definition, a dual wield spec. :) |
| 04:19.09 | Dagmar | You say some fairly histrionic stuff, but that takes the cake |
| 04:19.17 | Amarande | therefore, it is logical that the BiS setup should involve, well, dual wielding, no? :) |
| 04:19.22 | Dagmar | No, it's not. |
| 04:19.36 | Amarande | it's not logical that a spec should use the weapon types that it is designed to use. |
| 04:19.39 | Amarande | oooookay. |
| 04:19.39 | Amarande | heh |
| 04:20.04 | Dagmar | The stats are there to enhance the character, not to define the bloody everything |
| 04:20.23 | Dagmar | You know that druid epic stick you could get from Karazhan? The one I called "my wiggly stick"? |
| 04:20.36 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 04:20.50 | Dagmar | THAT WAS ACTUALLY MORE DPS FOR HUNTERS than the other best thing actually meant for hunters in there |
| 04:20.59 | Dagmar | By about four. |
| 04:21.07 | Dagmar | It doesn't mean the spec or the weapon is broken. |
| 04:21.37 | Dagmar | It just _happens_ to be slightly more point-happy because druids needed more numbers than hunters at that point. |
| 04:21.55 | Amarande | Shadowmourne does seem a tad too overpowered though :) |
| 04:21.58 | Xyphoid | also, don't you want to know? so that if you *have* a shadowmourne you know to switch to a spec that suits it better? |
| 04:22.09 | Dagmar | Right |
| 04:22.21 | Amarande | Xyphoid: I'm using Rawr's upgrade finder, which means it's evaluating items based on current spec, not possible changes |
| 04:22.28 | Dagmar | Take advantage of the OP weapon. Don't bitch that something's wrong with it becasue it's really, really sharp. |
| 04:23.19 | Amarande | And yes, 2H weapons are normally massively bad choices for frost DPS. E.g., the 2H Quel'delar would be a *huge* downgrade ... over an axe and mace from HFoS and HHoR. |
| 04:23.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: that tanking gun that drops off Deathbringer Sourpuss, even though it has strength and NO agility on it, is better DPS for BM hunters than any of the other guns you can get your hands on, but that doesn't mean I'm going to use it and bitch |
| 04:23.45 | Amarande | It makes me wonder now just how sick overpowered Shadowmourne must be on a spec that's actually built for 2H weapons though ;) |
| 04:23.56 | Dagmar | I'll simply wait until a gun with "decent" (or, less embarassing) stats drops |
| 04:24.00 | Amarande | If it's that strong that it's still better to use it on frost DW spec than it is to DW on that same spec |
| 04:24.13 | Dagmar | It's also supposed to be a badass weapon to begin with |
| 04:24.20 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean that BoE gun I usually dismissed as being 'a tanking gun'? |
| 04:24.23 | Amarande | Rowan's? |
| 04:24.27 | Dagmar | Like, let's get upset that a Lambo is too fast shall we |
| 04:24.34 | Amarande | heh |
| 04:24.36 | Xyphoid | i dunno what does balance even mean in this context, what are you comparing it against |
| 04:24.45 | Xyphoid | other legendaries? |
| 04:24.47 | Dagmar | Amarande; yeah. It's better than all the 219's and 213's out there |
| 04:24.50 | Amarande | no, I don't think so. if I was going to get upset about something about a Lambo, it would be the amount of times I'd have to stop for gas. :) |
| 04:24.56 | Dagmar | Very slim margin, but actually more DPS |
| 04:25.03 | Amarande | Xyphoid: I'm looking at Main Hand weapon upgrades in Rawr |
| 04:25.30 | Dagmar | I was looking straight at that during the last ICC run and flat out told the tank to take it |
| 04:25.56 | Dagmar | They can get me to wear leather when it's a sizeable upgrade, but I'll be damned if I was going to be known as "THAT hunter" for 12 more deeps |
| 04:26.01 | Amarande | Currently using Nighttime and Black Icicle - which actually are reasonably high up the list despite being from heroics ;) |
| 04:26.33 | Dagmar | My exact words were "I don't care if you already have it" |
| 04:26.43 | Amarande | Now, one would *imagine*( |
| 04:27.15 | Amarande | that the best DW frost spec weapon setup would be dual wielding the axe from heroic LK25 |
| 04:27.18 | Dagmar | Amarande: Sometimes you wind up with strange gear sets when you actually start juggling numbers |
| 04:27.24 | Jerub | http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201008/r624045_4209294.jpg <- most australian voting photo ever |
| 04:27.27 | Amarande | after all, it's the best one-hand melee DPS weapon in the game! |
| 04:28.03 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, like Shadowmourne on a spec meant for dual wielding :) |
| 04:28.16 | Amarande | although my RL tells me that it's not really worth the trouble to get it this far down the line |
| 04:28.31 | Wobin | #snagvote |
| 04:28.31 | Dagmar | Well, yeah. Normally it winds up being things like actually being below the hit cap because some other damage-bringing stat is a lot "cheaper" on gear |
| 04:28.47 | Dagmar | I used to catch crap for being 3% under hit cap |
| 04:28.53 | Amarande | Dagmar: that's weird |
| 04:28.58 | Dagmar | ...cept I'd pants other hunters by 10% DPS |
| 04:29.00 | Amarande | a lot of people actively gear 3% under hit cap |
| 04:29.25 | Dagmar | No that was 3% under cap as in fully 3% under cap. Dranei would get me to 2% |
| 04:29.36 | Amarande | a lot of people still do, particularly casters who have regular raid groups that they know will include a shadow priest or boomkin, both of which apply the +3% spell hit debuff to mobs |
| 04:29.45 | Dagmar | Attack power was "cheaper" on gear so you could get disproportionately more of it |
| 04:30.01 | Dagmar | It doesn't matter if you miss 2% of the time if you actually hit 6-8% harder when you *do* hit |
| 04:30.02 | Amarande | it seems quite understandable really, since casters have that horrendous 17% hit cap to deal with without taking advantage of help from the raid to bring that down |
| 04:30.23 | Amarande | plus casters can't really get away as well with being uncapped |
| 04:30.26 | Amarande | remember, you're a hunter |
| 04:30.31 | Dagmar | That's by design for mages |
| 04:30.32 | *** join/#wowuidev ^RaK^ (~rakkeh@109.170.128.22) |
| 04:30.32 | Amarande | your attacks are basically instant on GCD |
| 04:30.49 | Amarande | most caster pewpew loses 2 GCD's worth of time if it misses |
| 04:30.54 | Dagmar | For hunters at the time it was just simply that attack power was very very slightly out of whack on point allocation for gear |
| 04:31.19 | Dagmar | I think they were trying to help BM hunters out of the hole and just didn't go far enough with it |
| 04:32.02 | Dagmar | At the time for BM it was atk > agi and SV was agi > atk, all the way up, and MM was kleenex |
| 04:32.44 | Dagmar | Now both BM and SV seem to reconverge so that it starts to not matter if you've got 20 agi or 40 atk on a gem |
| 04:32.44 | Amarande | kleenex? |
| 04:32.56 | Amarande | when I had a hunter, I always ran MM |
| 04:33.03 | Dagmar | You PvP'd a lot? |
| 04:33.12 | Amarande | Nope. Actually haven't PvP'd in ages. |
| 04:33.18 | Dagmar | SV people were giving me a run for my money, but never mm |
| 04:33.38 | Arrowmaster | i remember leveling my slightly twinked hunter as MM |
| 04:33.39 | Amarande | It was a choice between MM and SV for me basically, and MM suited my play style better |
| 04:33.40 | Arrowmaster | that was fun |
| 04:33.41 | Dagmar | I couldn't really figure out that spec tree to be able to tell them annything useful |
| 04:33.49 | Amarande | Arrow: I was also pretty *heavily* twinked |
| 04:33.52 | Dagmar | I just knew I was generally ahead of them |
| 04:33.54 | Arrowmaster | 2 shotting mobs while my friend called me bad names |
| 04:34.10 | Amarande | remember, I have an enchanter who actually HAS the BC cloak agi enchant and both Timbermaw Hold classic weapon agi enchants |
| 04:34.47 | Amarande | and +42 Agi at level 20 (my hunter was an engineer) is almost brokenly powerful ;) |
| 04:34.54 | Arrowmaster | you know in classic casters could get away without having +hit and it wasnt a big deal |
| 04:35.06 | Amarande | Arrow: yeah, I'm not sure how it became as big a deal now |
| 04:35.12 | Dagmar | They were getting specialised spellpower shit then |
| 04:35.26 | Krahg | I have every twink enchant except Enchant Chest - Greater Stats |
| 04:35.27 | Dagmar | They'd get more damage by becoming more narrowly focused |
| 04:35.28 | Xyphoid | in classic stuff wasn't as homogenised though - look at the edgemaster's handguards |
| 04:35.44 | Amarande | Xyphoid: and +spirit on *every* class's dungeon set |
| 04:35.45 | Dagmar | Now it's all "vanilla spellpower" even for healers |
| 04:35.53 | Krahg | and I am missing only 14 other enchants (all of the aq40 useless ones for instance) |
| 04:36.05 | Amarande | ehh, spellpower is a change I don't mind at all |
| 04:36.10 | Amarande | I'm trying to think if anyone minded it at all |
| 04:36.10 | Dagmar | You could pile on the +fire damage and get f**ked large against mobs with high fr |
| 04:36.18 | Amarande | I guess if you were a holy pally in BT after 3.0.2 hit, you possibly hated it |
| 04:36.20 | Amarande | but that's about it |
| 04:36.37 | Krahg | I hunter only items with SP on them |
| 04:36.40 | Amarande | and that was because of *one specific item*, really |
| 04:36.42 | Cidan | is still a holy pally |
| 04:36.43 | Dagmar | I do recall the holy types pitching one |
| 04:36.44 | Krahg | I have hunter only items I mean |
| 04:36.56 | Amarande | ok, maybe it wasn't one specific item then :) |
| 04:37.07 | Xyphoid | locks with those shadow damage items from kara i guess, weren't they higher sp shadow-only |
| 04:37.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: because a bunch of their favorite items that used to be only for them suddenly became MASSIVE OMG CASTER DPS DROOL? ;) |
| 04:37.21 | Dagmar | Hahaha too bad |
| 04:37.27 | Amarande | I think Nadina's is the one that comes to mind the most |
| 04:37.56 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/item=32370 |
| 04:38.14 | Amarande | this thing used to be basically total niche healer gear, mostly only holy pallies really wanted it |
| 04:38.23 | Amarande | then the spellpower change and it became massively wanted by all casters |
| 04:38.59 | Arrowmaster | still a healer item |
| 04:39.20 | Amarande | Even DPS casters drooled over that, since there seems very little out of place for them either (especially locks, who actually like having stamina on their caster gear) |
| 04:39.33 | Arrowmaster | it has mp5 |
| 04:39.36 | Amarande | okay, there's mp5, which DPS casters usually don't actively go for |
| 04:39.40 | Jerub | zz BC gear |
| 04:39.43 | Amarande | but hey ... I like having mana, don't you? :) |
| 04:39.50 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 04:39.52 | Xyphoid | i kind of miss wonky itemisation, everything having 5 stats on it takes some charm away |
| 04:39.53 | Amarande | there's never anything wrong with a little extra mana, heh |
| 04:39.57 | Arrowmaster | dps has other methods of getting mana |
| 04:39.59 | Amarande | Arrow: ehh |
| 04:40.06 | Amarande | mp5 on an otherwise *lovely* caster item |
| 04:40.14 | Amarande | it's kinda like hit rating over the soft cap on dual wield frost |
| 04:40.22 | Amarande | it's not something you really go out of your way for, but it's not totally useless :) |
| 04:40.24 | Jerub | nothing beats the sunken temple +spirit + defence ring |
| 04:40.35 | Jerub | when that dropped, the entire party went wtf. |
| 04:40.46 | Amarande | Jerub: I don't remember much about ST loot |
| 04:40.48 | Amarande | other than the plate bra |
| 04:40.48 | Amarande | heh |
| 04:41.02 | Amarande | which I actually ended up stuck using on my BE female for several levels |
| 04:41.09 | Amarande | because being a tank, I would have been an idiot not to take it |
| 04:41.18 | Amarande | (my old paladin on Quel'dorei during BC, that is) |
| 04:43.19 | Amarande | and numbers continue to boggle me |
| 04:43.31 | Amarande | the hell? there is no way http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49500 can be third best in slot for a DW frost DK :| |
| 04:43.50 | Amarande | no stats, just a proc? o.0 |
| 04:43.51 | Krahg | I think I got a hoax email (well my wife) but the links lead to the real battle.net |
| 04:44.33 | Jerub | Amarande: hm? why not? it depends on proc rate. |
| 04:45.02 | Amarande | Jerub: I'm just really boggled by the idea of choosing a weapon that doesn't have any stats |
| 04:45.11 | Jerub | and according to the comments, it represents 2.5% of the dps from a 245 ilvl geared dk |
| 04:45.34 | Xyphoid | don't overestimate stats, they individually do a tiny amount |
| 04:46.29 | Jerub | Amarande: and it gets buffed by other dk abilities, 2 procs a minute on average without haste buffs. |
| 04:48.20 | Krahg | IT says she is invited, but there isn't anything that seems to indicate she actaully got invited. |
| 04:50.14 | Wobin | Jerub: "STEVE Fielding's not all bad. He single-handedly educated a nation on the importance of voting below the line." |
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| 04:53.35 | Jerub | Wobin: steve fielding and stephen conroy :P |
| 04:53.41 | Jerub | Wobin: :D |
| 04:53.51 | Jerub | (unfortunately, conroy got in) |
| 04:55.53 | Wobin | =( |
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| 05:14.54 | Arrowmaster | olafski: do you have a gold account yet? |
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| 05:17.26 | Amarande | Wobin: indeed ... remember, only points scored below the line count towards game! :) |
| 05:18.04 | Jerub | Amarande: interesting. but really poor for the metaphor. the below the line votes haven't been tallied yet i don't think :P |
| 05:18.08 | Arrowmaster | olafski: bah you dont |
| 05:18.56 | Jerub | http://vtr.aec.gov.au/SenateStateFirstPrefs-15508-NSW.htm |
| 05:19.00 | Jerub | everything's showing as Unapportioned. |
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| 05:25.25 | Amarande | Jerub: have you ever played bridge? :) |
| 05:25.56 | Jerub | Amarande: is that the game for two players and some shallow running water? |
| 05:25.57 | Amarande | Gah, don't tell me I'm the ONLY denizen of #wowuidev who's played Bridge. |
| 05:26.06 | Amarande | Jerub: no, that's the four-hand partnership card game |
| 05:32.55 | Adys | you know what the awesome thing with dual screen is |
| 05:32.56 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/gilneas-panorama.jpg |
| 05:33.01 | Adys | you can do this sort of screenshots |
| 05:33.13 | Adys | I'd be tempted to get a third one hooked just for a larger shot |
| 05:34.17 | Amarande | dear god |
| 05:34.21 | Amarande | what video card setup do you need for that |
| 05:34.28 | Adys | just a 9800gtx |
| 05:34.35 | Adys | you know |
| 05:34.35 | Amarande | particularly if you don't want to hang yourself from your doorframe every time you try to go to Dalaran |
| 05:34.38 | Adys | anything not ati. |
| 05:35.00 | Amarande | Adys: I'm just thinking that the moment you went to Dalaran you'd want to bang your head into the wall at a substantial percentage of c. |
| 05:35.05 | Yssaril | Adys: how do you get wow to span accross 2 monitors? |
| 05:35.12 | Amarande | Especially since my video card is BETTER than that |
| 05:35.17 | Adys | Yssaril: twinview |
| 05:35.17 | Amarande | I have a GTS 250, which = a 9800 GTX+ |
| 05:35.31 | Adys | i get really good fps in dalaran |
| 05:35.34 | Adys | but |
| 05:35.41 | Amarande | and I still get poor FPS some of the time in Dalaran at a mere 1920x1200 |
| 05:35.49 | Adys | d3d engine is amazing in cataclysm |
| 05:35.54 | Adys | Im not using opengl anymore |
| 05:36.04 | Adys | ironic, since it took them just that long to add HW cursor to opengl. |
| 05:36.34 | Adys | also compiling wine with -march=native helps a lot; I gain 20-25 fps |
| 05:37.03 | Adys | but id never play with wow spanning across two monitors |
| 05:37.06 | Yssaril | Adys: i assume you are running XP ? |
| 05:37.21 | Adys | Yssaril: uh, no |
| 05:37.21 | Arrowmaster | shitbuntu |
| 05:37.25 | Adys | wine-vista |
| 05:37.30 | Adys | actually, wine-w7 |
| 05:37.37 | Yssaril | hmmm |
| 05:37.43 | Adys | sunshafts dont work on xp |
| 05:37.50 | Adys | Arrowmaster: oldebian |
| 05:37.58 | Arrowmaster | i dont run stable |
| 05:38.17 | Adys | stable doesn't even run itself |
| 05:41.46 | Wobin | Jerub: http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23notesfromwyattsmum |
| 05:41.50 | Amarande | I wonder if they'll ever fully explain the lore behind some of the names on some of these items |
| 05:41.57 | Adys | what items? |
| 05:42.00 | Amarande | Some of them are fairly obscure ... but some I seem to find NO info on |
| 05:42.02 | Amarande | like ... |
| 05:42.04 | Amarande | Who's Nadina? |
| 05:42.23 | Amarande | as in http://www.wowhead.com/item=32370 |
| 05:43.21 | Adys | you realize theres > 63000 items in game as of this moment right? |
| 05:43.49 | Adys | and they don't really have a dedicated team up for explaining who the hell this zzold guy is |
| 05:44.59 | Arrowmaster | should just s/zzold/zoidberg/ then there is no explaining needed |
| 05:45.31 | Adys | yeah what about his cousin, [DEPRECATED]? |
| 05:46.41 | Amarande | Adys: it does seem that some of the name origins are known |
| 05:46.54 | Amarande | for instance, the Twin Stars set is based on, of all things, Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita |
| 05:47.19 | Amarande | on the other hand, ... c'mon Google load faster you piece of crap ... |
| 05:47.40 | Amarande | ... we have items like Nadina's Pendant of Purity and Zom's Crackling Bulwark, and sometimes I wonder who Nadina and Zom are. |
| 05:49.25 | Adys | man |
| 05:49.29 | Adys | screenshots are night suck :( |
| 05:54.55 | Yssaril | Adys: /cry win7 doesnt support desktop spanning only extending |
| 05:57.08 | Wobin | Yssaril: ultramon ftw |
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| 05:59.17 | Yssaril | Wobin: will that allow for fullscreen spanning in games? |
| 05:59.44 | Wobin | Yssaril: it works for visual studo for me... |
| 06:00.18 | Yssaril | thats just a window not fullscreen though right? |
| 06:01.02 | Yssaril | cause i can easily have a window go across both monitors but i like the stay in fullscreen for games |
| 06:01.50 | Amarande | Blah, 20 minute queue for H-FoS |
| 06:03.40 | Jerub | Amarande: l2tank |
| 06:04.28 | Amarande | Jerub: it's not a matter of l'ing |
| 06:04.35 | Amarande | it's a matter of not having anywhere near the gear to tank that sort of stuff |
| 06:04.52 | Amarande | I have like ... 451 def if I equip the few tankly things I have so far |
| 06:05.05 | Amarande | H-FoS would shred me |
| 06:05.19 | Jerub | FoS? |
| 06:05.20 | Amarande | I can tank regular, non-ICC5 instances just fine ... but not heroic ICC5 :P |
| 06:05.23 | Jerub | FoS is only raid awareness |
| 06:05.23 | Amarande | Forge of Souls |
| 06:05.26 | ajmitch | it'd be entertaining for a couple of minutes |
| 06:05.27 | Jerub | it's an easy instance. |
| 06:05.40 | ajmitch | FoS seems to be harder on casters than on the tank |
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| 06:08.47 | Wobin | FoS has a lot of partywide damage |
| 06:08.56 | Wobin | so healers have to be on the ball |
| 06:09.06 | Wobin | and triage -fast- if they can't do aoe healing |
| 06:13.37 | Fisker | slaps cog|sleep around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:13.42 | Fisker | before you go |
| 06:13.47 | Fisker | i just woke up :( |
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| 06:27.14 | Amarande | I probably could have tanked that, come to think of it heh |
| 06:27.19 | Amarande | I actually had MORE health than the ... tank |
| 06:27.30 | Amarande | I'm surprised I didn't end up involuntarily elected tank due to my DPS output |
| 06:28.30 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:29.46 | Jerub | Amarande: that's called "pulling agro" |
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| 06:30.18 | unfo- | Jerub, well played, sir! ;D |
| 06:38.53 | Fisker | imma fart u Jerub |
| 06:51.23 | Fisker | why won't you fart with me Jerub ? |
| 06:56.03 | Jerub | Fisker: oh, uh. fart humor. |
| 06:56.05 | Jerub | i've heard of that |
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| 07:02.19 | Amarande | Jerub: when it comes to me outgearing the tank enough, it's more "I'm forced to tank whether I would really like to or not" heh |
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| 07:06.33 | Wobin | or removing your pants |
| 07:07.52 | zenzio | I always start by removing my pants |
| 07:17.10 | zenzio | so I was reading about how people were uploading Hannah Montana and Jonas Brothers videos to Youtube that actually contained porn... the website first has a quote: "I uploaded the porn video because YouTube deletes music. It was a part of a 4chan-raid, says 'Flonty'". Then, a little later in the article, the website claims "We were unable to determine what the 'nerd' at 4chan are mad about this time" |
| 07:17.19 | zenzio | say what? |
| 07:18.01 | Amarande | zenzio: derps are everywhere |
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| 07:40.19 | zenzio | http://dailysquee.com/2010/08/22/cute-baby-animals-white-tiger-does-not-equal-fudge-ribbon-ice-cream/ |
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| 07:54.59 | harl | hi |
| 07:57.33 | zenzio | "Your account has been closed. To prevent your account stolen. Please verify your account information. Visit:battle.net/account/support/login-support.xml Verification will be lifted after the close! Continue to play!" |
| 07:57.50 | zenzio | I have no sympathy for people who fall for this |
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| 08:04.43 | Adys | Why. |
| 08:04.54 | Adys | Why are these... stupid.. flight points DRAWN on the map |
| 08:05.03 | Adys | when they could be positioned by the engine |
| 08:05.13 | Amarande | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOqrRUcjDQ8&NR=1 <--- If you ever think a WoW boss past Berserk timer doesn't deal enough damage. ;) |
| 08:05.31 | Fisker | zenzio |
| 08:06.07 | Fisker | i lold Krahg |
| 08:07.44 | Wobin | Jerub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxVHSDz1y0s |
| 08:09.18 | zenzio | Adys: drawn how? |
| 08:09.44 | Amarande | Night folks :) |
| 08:09.47 | Adys | hardcoded on the map zenzelezz |
| 08:10.02 | zenzio | Adys: right in the image files? |
| 08:10.05 | Adys | yes |
| 08:10.08 | zenzio | ew... |
| 08:10.22 | Jerub | Wobin: omg awesome |
| 08:10.31 | Adys | and i mean |
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| 08:10.38 | Wobin | Jerub: It's SUPER ELECTIVE |
| 08:10.40 | Adys | not only do they have to update it every time they add/remove/move one |
| 08:10.53 | Adys | they also have to show both horde and alliance versions for players |
| 08:10.57 | Adys | which is confusing as hell |
| 08:11.09 | zenzio | won't they end up showing stuff the player doesn't know? |
| 08:11.15 | Adys | yes |
| 08:11.24 | Adys | which makes it also slightly confusing |
| 08:11.33 | Adys | "do i know this fp? should i go get it?" |
| 08:11.47 | Adys | and it's so simple too |
| 08:11.54 | Adys | the game also has coordinates for each FP |
| 08:12.05 | Adys | (to locate them on the flightmap) |
| 08:12.18 | zenzio | I'm just confused... the current (live) flight paths are drawn by the game, not in the files, isn't it? |
| 08:12.18 | Adys | it's extremely easy to translate those into map coords |
| 08:12.30 | Adys | no no im talking about cataclysm maps |
| 08:12.37 | Adys | like, world maps; they show FPs |
| 08:12.39 | Fisker | omg why? |
| 08:12.48 | zenzio | oh, they do? |
| 08:12.56 | Adys | yeah |
| 08:12.57 | Adys | sec |
| 08:12.58 | zenzio | it's a nice idea, but they still shouldn't hardcode that |
| 08:13.26 | Fisker | oh but they should! |
| 08:13.34 | Fisker | *monocle* |
| 08:13.44 | Adys | zenzio: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/stonetalonmountains.png |
| 08:13.55 | Adys | red ones are horde, grey/blue ones are alliance |
| 08:14.02 | Adys | yellow ones are neutral but therei snt any here |
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| 08:14.22 | Adys | In other news |
| 08:14.23 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/easternplaguelands.png |
| 08:14.34 | Adys | 8 neutral flight paths in Eastern Plaguelands. /discuss |
| 08:14.49 | Fisker | sure it isn't those part of the pvp event? |
| 08:14.49 | Wobin | in other news, EPL hasn't changed a bit =P |
| 08:14.58 | Adys | Fisker: 100% sure |
| 08:15.05 | Wobin | Adys: thank fucking god |
| 08:15.06 | zenzio | I dislike the flight paths on that map |
| 08:15.12 | Wobin | I -hate- running around EPL |
| 08:15.13 | zenzio | and those horde ones are difficult to spot |
| 08:15.37 | Adys | if you think they're hard to spot wait till you see neutral ones |
| 08:15.41 | Fisker | i can't find the 8th fp btw |
| 08:15.57 | Adys | zenzio: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/desolace.png |
| 08:16.00 | Adys | spot the neutral one. |
| 08:16.07 | Adys | Fisker: acherus |
| 08:16.14 | Fisker | oh |
| 08:16.33 | Fisker | the one southwest of sargeron? |
| 08:16.46 | Fisker | also one west of furiens point |
| 08:16.47 | Adys | yeah |
| 08:16.52 | Adys | wow |
| 08:16.54 | Adys | i didnt see this one |
| 08:16.55 | Fisker | yeah that's pretty annoying |
| 08:16.58 | zenzio | Adys: O_o |
| 08:17.00 | zenzio | that's horrible |
| 08:17.36 | Adys | What the fuck |
| 08:17.44 | Adys | why's my ice lance dealing so much damage |
| 08:17.49 | Adys | it's around 1800 dmg per hit |
| 08:19.05 | Fisker | the EK loading screen looks like shit |
| 08:19.13 | Adys | eh its not that bad |
| 08:19.16 | Adys | i like the new outland one |
| 08:19.20 | Adys | and northrend |
| 08:19.50 | Fisker | northrend is awesome |
| 08:20.30 | Adys | ok so hold on |
| 08:20.42 | Fisker | lol |
| 08:21.01 | Fisker | opening the map on high graphical details makes it lag a lot |
| 08:21.16 | Fisker | weird |
| 08:21.23 | Fisker | for some reason it only did that in tirisfal glades |
| 08:21.40 | sylvanaar | good morning |
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| 08:22.14 | Adys | zenzio, Fisker: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/flights.jpg |
| 08:22.25 | Adys | just... look at EP |
| 08:22.35 | Fisker | wow |
| 08:22.48 | Fisker | just went there myself |
| 08:22.54 | Fisker | the towers are quest hubs now |
| 08:22.58 | zenzio | so many icons... |
| 08:22.58 | Adys | Ya |
| 08:23.01 | Adys | pretty sweet |
| 08:23.08 | Adys | zenzio: Im not done getting the EK ones |
| 08:23.26 | Adys | still need to do stv and dun morogh |
| 08:24.41 | Fisker | but the way of showing flight paths on the mainmap is horrible for a number of reasons: 1. They're hard to spot already, 2. They'll be hard to manage, 3. They'll be hard to spot on the "pvp map", and 4. they'll be hard to spot on a resized mainmap |
| 08:24.44 | Fisker | :o |
| 08:25.18 | Adys | Yea... |
| 08:25.27 | Adys | just make it an UI element =\ |
| 08:25.38 | Adys | i know some blizz employees are watching |
| 08:26.32 | Fisker | i wish they would stitch together the ghostlands with EPL |
| 08:26.45 | Adys | ya |
| 08:26.52 | zenzio | in here? |
| 08:26.56 | Fisker | in here |
| 08:27.01 | Adys | in here |
| 08:28.40 | Xyphoid | it's going to be pretty inelegant flying to ghostlands |
| 08:29.25 | Adys | not just that, you still cant fly anywhere in the bc-azeroth zones |
| 08:30.03 | Fisker | yeah for some awesome reason they decided "Oh hey we know that we probably want to design all zones with flying in mind, but lets not do that here" |
| 08:30.54 | Adys | WoW 5.x: Emerald Nightmare |
| 08:31.00 | Adys | - Also, you can fly in ghostlands now! |
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| 08:48.28 | Adys | Kalroth |
| 08:48.33 | Adys | u gud in math |
| 08:48.56 | Kalroth | 2 + 3 ~= 5 lol |
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| 08:49.17 | Adys | what's the simplest and clearest way to get the amount of 256x256 chunks to build an image of an arbitrary size |
| 08:50.05 | Adys | i was playing with modulos but i suck |
| 08:50.33 | zenzio | the smallest multiple of 256x256 that covers the whole thing? |
| 08:50.45 | zenzio | multiple may be the wrong word |
| 08:50.53 | Kalroth | arbitrary width should be pretty easy with idiv and imod |
| 08:50.53 | mitch0 | x / 256 + (x % 256 == 0 ? 1 : 0) |
| 08:50.56 | Adys | yes |
| 08:51.08 | mitch0 | erm, 0 : 1 |
| 08:51.39 | Kalroth | basically what mitch0 did, although that isn't exactly super clear :P |
| 08:52.04 | mitch0 | kalroth: but it has parens?! :) |
| 08:52.47 | Kalroth | But it really depends on what you want - do you want to build an image of any height and width from any position in a data block of 256x256 chunks? |
| 08:52.52 | Kalroth | eg. a 16x16 image |
| 08:53.14 | Kalroth | should it resize or just take a part of the data chunks |
| 08:53.16 | Adys | I want to cover an area of an arbitrary size with 256x256 blocks |
| 08:53.23 | Adys | and i need to know how many i need for width and height |
| 08:53.35 | Adys | i can see what mitch0 is doing but yeah, there must be a simpler way |
| 08:53.44 | Kalroth | but you're limited to 64k blocks |
| 08:53.46 | zenzio | Adys: getting sporadic "400 Bad Request" on MMOC (forums) now, is that a load issue? |
| 08:53.58 | Adys | doubt it |
| 08:54.11 | Adys | we're changing servers to Curse's very soon |
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| 08:54.12 | Adys | so meh |
| 08:54.18 | zenzio | ah, neat |
| 08:54.41 | Kalroth | anyways, what mitch0 wrote is pretty much the simplest way - you can use more variables if you want :) |
| 08:55.06 | Adys | well i do have divmod() |
| 08:55.09 | Kalroth | Alternatively dont use 256x256 blocks, just use X blocks |
| 08:55.11 | mitch0 | local c, w = 0, 0; while w < width do c, w = c + 1, w + 256 end |
| 08:55.38 | mitch0 | that of course sucks :) |
| 08:56.11 | Kalroth | but it is simple!! |
| 09:00.19 | Adys | got it |
| 09:00.34 | Adys | a, b = divmod(x, 256); a + max(1, b) |
| 09:01.02 | Kalroth | I thought you said simple :p |
| 09:01.13 | Adys | it's two instructions, no conditional |
| 09:01.55 | Kalroth | Sure, mitch0 could wrap his code in single function |
| 09:02.27 | mitch0 | is that even correct? |
| 09:02.42 | mitch0 | that max(1, b) seems fishy to me |
| 09:03.05 | Adys | b can be any value between 0-255 |
| 09:03.11 | Adys | we pick 0, else 1 |
| 09:03.42 | mitch0 | erm, max(1, 235) will be 235 |
| 09:04.08 | Kalroth | it should be min() then :P |
| 09:04.13 | Adys | Sorry, min yeah |
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| 09:05.01 | Adys | haha |
| 09:05.49 | Adys | wow's bsdiff bullshit eating up memory |
| 09:05.50 | Adys | sigh |
| 09:05.56 | Kalroth | owned! |
| 09:05.59 | Kalroth | l2memory |
| 09:06.22 | Adys | Not enough memory |
| 09:06.23 | Adys | File:d:\buildserver\wow\6\work\wow-code\trunk\engine\source\blizzardcore\blizzardcore\source\packages\util\Patch/PTC_Apply_BSDIff.cpp |
| 09:07.01 | Kalroth | Maybe you should try running it on a machine from this century |
| 09:07.19 | Kalroth | I bet you've put memory quotas on wine; "MAX 128MB BITCHES" |
| 09:07.32 | Adys | how much ram you got Kalroth? |
| 09:07.39 | Kalroth | 12GB |
| 09:07.48 | mitch0 | har har |
| 09:07.49 | Adys | so you're saying your machine isnt from this century? |
| 09:08.05 | mitch0 | are you running wow from ramdisk? :) |
| 09:08.17 | Adys | no, but i AM running wow since like 2 hours |
| 09:08.23 | Kalroth | Aha! |
| 09:08.40 | Adys | i can run wow live for like 48 hours without issues |
| 09:08.41 | mitch0 | anyway, time to update all my ports, bbl |
| 09:08.55 | Kalroth | Good luck! |
| 09:12.15 | mitch0 | btw, are addons enabled on the cata beta yet? |
| 09:12.20 | Adys | no |
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| 09:14.37 | Wobin | http://news.discovery.com/animals/radioactive-wild-boars-increase-in-number.html |
| 09:15.40 | mitch0 | time for a starter quest to cure them! |
| 09:16.18 | Corrodias | well, they have to run out of active materials in nature eventually. |
| 09:17.08 | mitch0 | is it worth letting users configure background color, gradient start and gradient end separately, or is bgcolor (used for gradient start) and gradient end enough? |
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| 09:17.52 | Wobin | don't overcomplicate |
| 09:17.56 | Wobin | people won't thank you |
| 09:18.45 | mitch0 | so I should go with the "enable gradient? / gradient orientation / gradient color" combo? and use bg color for the start, is that what you suggest? |
| 09:18.57 | Adys | mitch0: for? |
| 09:19.22 | mitch0 | bazooka background setting |
| 09:19.31 | Adys | an addon? |
| 09:19.35 | mitch0 | yes |
| 09:19.40 | mitch0 | fubar style thing |
| 09:20.01 | mitch0 | someone requested gradients for the bg so that he can have it like stuff he does with kgPanels |
| 09:20.28 | Adys | i agree with Wobin, dont overcomplicate |
| 09:21.54 | mitch0 | actually, I'll go with gradient: None/Horizontal/Vertical thing |
| 09:22.03 | mitch0 | instead of the checkbox + combo |
| 09:22.52 | Shadowed | The one thing about adding configurations it |
| 09:23.00 | Shadowed | just because someone asks for it, doesn't mean you have to add it |
| 09:23.41 | Shadowed | hell, the majority of the time people don't even want it that desperately and will settle for a little less |
| 09:23.57 | mitch0 | yeah, but it this one seems kinda easy |
| 09:24.07 | Shadowed | That is the wrong frame of mind :p |
| 09:24.12 | mitch0 | and doesn't add runtime burden if not used (and minimal if used) |
| 09:24.23 | Shadowed | if you are looking at it as how hard it is to implement, you're going to end up with a crazy configuration eventually full of easy to implement things |
| 09:24.44 | mitch0 | that already happened ;) |
| 09:25.10 | mitch0 | shadowed: btw, I had to reset my SUF config recently. you broke the saved vars! |
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| 10:13.05 | Xyphoid | why do wisps leave shadows |
| 10:13.30 | haste | same reason semi-transparent paper leaves a shadow |
| 10:13.31 | unfo- | because they are not transparent? |
| 10:14.13 | Xyphoid | it's nighttime |
| 10:14.32 | unfo- | if you see anything, there is light, if there is light, there are shadows |
| 10:22.28 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:22.34 | Fisker | i hasted all over you |
| 10:29.58 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14469477715&sid=1 <-haha wat |
| 10:31.54 | unfo- | ... :D |
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| 11:15.03 | Jerub | just pugged intoa togc25 group |
| 11:15.05 | Jerub | tips pls |
| 11:19.06 | unfo- | Jerub, medicate yourself prior to it getting painful |
| 11:21.06 | Jerub | [x] wine |
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| 11:32.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/08/21/fanboyism-when-expression-meets-desperation/ |
| 11:33.12 | sylvanaar_atwork | "Or maybe nerds just like to argue." |
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| 12:43.50 | mikma | cairenn: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/dog_masks_ducks.jpg |
| 12:44.27 | zenzio | lol |
| 12:45.30 | Cairenn | lol |
| 12:45.36 | Adys | creepy |
| 12:46.27 | Cidan | That so just made my morning. |
| 12:46.59 | Jerub | got beasts down on second try |
| 12:47.09 | Jerub | just wiped on jaraxus the 2nd time |
| 12:50.52 | mikma | bad jerub, BAD! |
| 12:51.24 | mikma | here's something i linked for haste this morning! some may consider it sfh only! |
| 12:51.27 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/the_flying_meat_grinder.jpg |
| 12:51.45 | Cairenn | gross! |
| 12:52.08 | mikma | meatgrinder approves |
| 12:54.49 | Lopeppeppy | So, fun times with the new torrenting patcher... I left it running all weekend. Still didn't finish downloading the last 2G of the FIRST download. I still have all the beta patches to do! |
| 12:55.03 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 12:55.07 | Lopeppeppy | thinks she'll never get the beta patched if TWC keeps throttling torrents... |
| 12:55.16 | zenzio | TWC? |
| 12:55.46 | Cairenn | time warner cable |
| 12:55.47 | Thunder_Child | time warner cable |
| 12:55.50 | Cairenn | guesses |
| 12:55.51 | zenzio | ah |
| 12:56.59 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: what version number does the patcher list in the top ? |
| 12:57.03 | Lopeppeppy | Time Warner ... I won't say what I think that c. stands for. |
| 12:57.32 | Cairenn | creeps? |
| 12:57.36 | Lopeppeppy | Maldivia, it's running at home and I'm workface. :| But it's the first 12G download after the new patcher was unleashed. I was on vacation for 10 days, so I'm way behind. |
| 12:57.45 | Lopeppeppy | Think more vulgar and nasty, Cairenn |
| 12:57.53 | Cairenn | I know, I was being silly |
| 12:57.57 | Cairenn | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 12:57.58 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: that can't be right, Comcast is a separate company |
| 12:58.21 | Fisker | takes pictures |
| 12:58.40 | Jerub | ugh |
| 12:58.44 | Jerub | no one swapping to portals. |
| 12:59.09 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: ok, I just got home from vacation yesterday and installed in on my PC, and it didn't go too well, it downloaded all MPQ files etc, but failed to patch the wow.exe file, so had all the patch files, but wow.exe was not updated, and it wouldn't do it no matter what, so I ended up manually extracting the patch bits, and binary patching it :P |
| 12:59.49 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. If it gives me that level of BS, I will simply not try anymore. I don't have the patience for 6 days of patch downloading as it is... |
| 13:00.14 | Maldivia | well, if you get the issue, poke me and I'll mail you the wow.exe file :P |
| 13:00.46 | Maldivia | I'm kind of surprised the exe files are not verified by the torrent |
| 13:01.11 | Maldivia | guess it's because they want the torrent to be cross-platform, so it works on both mac and win? |
| 13:11.26 | Lopeppeppy | TWC throttles ALL torrenting as "resource management", and they are not sympathetic to the average gamer who protests. |
| 13:16.36 | Fisker | l2shitstorm |
| 13:17.29 | Fisker | also disabling p2p works for me |
| 13:19.54 | Lopeppeppy | Dude, tell me how and I'll join you in anarchy. |
| 13:20.22 | Fisker | :O? |
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| 13:24.05 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much. :P |
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| 13:34.22 | Adys | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/failblog/~3/Ju9r5tmfLts/ |
| 13:38.59 | Cide | why are you linking us google magic |
| 13:41.29 | Maldivia | because the feedproxy url is shorter? |
| 13:43.04 | Cide | http://failblog.org/2010/08/23/epic-fail-photos-directions-fail/ |
| 13:43.06 | Cide | hardly |
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| 13:43.56 | Maldivia | http://failblog.org/2010/08/20/epic-fail-photos-advertising-win/ is better ;) |
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| 14:59.46 | Fisker | A-KO |
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| 15:06.11 | cog|work | KOs Fisker |
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| 15:08.57 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
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| 15:12.01 | haste | mikma: yeah, that image is pretty much sfh only |
| 15:12.36 | Fisker | hawstte |
| 15:12.39 | Fisker | naaaaaaaaaw |
| 15:13.22 | cog|work | fuuuuuuuuuuuuusker |
| 15:14.58 | mikma | lal, nice1 cock |
| 15:15.48 | Fisker | cog|work |
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| 15:19.30 | cog|work | caffeinates |
| 15:19.46 | cog|work | my caffeine shrine has 101 Caffeinations |
| 15:20.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh. What's your newest? |
| 15:20.31 | cog|work | the blue GoGirl XD |
| 15:20.41 | Lopeppeppy | ... that's a Star Wars character, not a drink. |
| 15:21.00 | cog|work | http://www.gogirlenergy.com/ |
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| 15:22.15 | cog|work | we almost have our house back! |
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| 15:22.55 | cog|work | my dad and sister just started moving into a new place yesterday |
| 15:23.14 | A-KO | Has Super Citrimax®, a mild herbal appetite suppressant |
| 15:23.17 | A-KO | YAY FOR ANOREXIA! |
| 15:23.19 | A-KO | YAAAAY |
| 15:23.40 | cog|work | i'm sure it's totally ineffectual |
| 15:23.46 | A-KO | lol |
| 15:23.58 | cog|work | but the artificial sweeteners do the job well enough |
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| 15:24.12 | A-KO | NOS ftw IMO |
| 15:24.19 | cog|work | yeah NOS is pretty yum |
| 15:24.24 | A-KO | NOS fruit punch = good shit |
| 15:24.32 | A-KO | I have to be careful with that one, it tastes like hawaiian punch to me |
| 15:24.36 | cog|work | but these are my favs http://molotov-energy.com/ |
| 15:24.38 | A-KO | and I can drink those down like nothing |
| 15:25.42 | A-KO | wow that sounds interesting |
| 15:25.45 | A-KO | hot sauce in an energy drink |
| 15:25.53 | A-KO | explosive, definitely the word for that |
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| 15:25.59 | A-KO | or at least what you'll feel in the bathroom a little while later |
| 15:26.07 | cog|work | http://blog.cogwheel.info/2010/07/caffeinated-bang-for-your-buck.html |
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| 15:26.39 | Shirik | Shirik #wowuidev Cannot change nickname while banned on channel |
| 15:26.40 | Shirik | wtf is this |
| 15:26.42 | Shirik | why am I banned |
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| 15:27.06 | mikma | trolololoo |
| 15:27.10 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 15:28.19 | A-KO | jesus cog|work |
| 15:28.20 | A-KO | lol |
| 15:28.48 | cog|work | can you tell i work at a winery? :> |
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| 15:29.35 | A-KO | haha |
| 15:30.03 | Shirik | oh (08:29:39)  -⺠[$~a] Set by EDI!~Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam on 09:10 - 22/08/10 (23h 19m 2s ago) |
| 15:30.25 | A-KO | one thing I wasn't a big fan of is Inca Cola |
| 15:30.38 | A-KO | it was like.......bubble gum + cream soda |
| 15:30.50 | Lopeppeppy | A Fresh Market up here is selling Mexican Coke... which is just Coke. |
| 15:30.56 | cog|work | that's actually about how i described Bawls the first time i tasted it |
| 15:31.08 | A-KO | really? bawls didn't carry any such flavor to me |
| 15:31.12 | A-KO | I miss bawls :( |
| 15:31.18 | Shirik | lol bawls |
| 15:31.19 | A-KO | NOS has taken its place though |
| 15:31.24 | A-KO | but I still miss bawls |
| 15:31.28 | Shirik | I don't |
| 15:31.29 | A-KO | if I find some in a 7-11 I usually buy a bottle |
| 15:31.55 | A-KO | NOS is pretty kick ass |
| 15:31.57 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 15:32.02 | EDI | Channel locked temporarily. Time since last lockdown (in minutes): 1336 minutes |
| 15:32.03 | Fisker | bam |
| 15:32.03 | A-KO | lol |
| 15:32.10 | Shirik | ... |
| 15:32.13 | Fisker | is that also security through obscurity btw? |
| 15:32.14 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you should just ban fisker for a week |
| 15:32.16 | Fisker | btw |
| 15:32.18 | Fisker | if i had waited a minute |
| 15:32.20 | Fisker | ONE SINGLE MINUTE |
| 15:32.23 | Fisker | it would've been epic |
| 15:32.37 | cog|work | instead, epic fail\ |
| 15:32.42 | Fisker | yeah cog|work :( |
| 15:32.47 | Shirik | lol. |
| 15:32.51 | Fisker | also that i'm going to be banned is going to suck as well |
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| 15:32.52 | Shirik | Attempting class I |
| 15:32.52 | Shirik | ERROR: While performing analysis 1: ai.lua:848: attempt to index local 'user' (a nil value) |
| 15:32.52 | Shirik | Total score: 79 |
| 15:32.53 | Shirik | !!! Locking #wowuidev |
| 15:32.57 | Shirik | Fisker is a nil value |
| 15:33.03 | Cide | cog|work: have you tried POWERTHIRST? |
| 15:33.31 | A-KO | I suually try some random shit since I work next to a whole foods |
| 15:33.35 | A-KO | they've always got weird drinks |
| 15:33.43 | A-KO | usually catering to either hippies or women |
| 15:33.51 | Shirik | so um |
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| 15:33.54 | Shirik | he triggered it last time |
| 15:33.57 | Shirik | what was that? |
| 15:34.02 | A-KO | throwing around words like "antioxidants", etc. |
| 15:34.06 | Cide | he rejoined like 15 times because his connected was fucked up |
| 15:34.38 | cog|work | 400 babies! |
| 15:34.42 | cog|work | now that's an epic meal |
| 15:34.48 | A-KO | http://www.functiondrinks.com/ < I've been drinking those recently |
| 15:35.27 | cog|work | i drink them for caffeine. none of the other shit does anything but turn your piss dark |
| 15:35.48 | cog|work | or your skin red, in the case of B vits |
| 15:36.09 | A-KO | lol |
| 15:36.14 | A-KO | caffeine is always the good reason |
| 15:36.59 | Cide | REAL LIGHTNING |
| 15:37.14 | Cide | seriously though |
| 15:37.16 | Cide | have you tried it? |
| 15:37.24 | cog|work | never heard of it |
| 15:37.32 | Cide | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs |
| 15:37.37 | cog|work | also lime on magenta = headache |
| 15:37.39 | Cide | I'm guessing you already saw it |
| 15:37.41 | cog|work | yeah i googled |
| 15:37.46 | cog|work | 08:34 < cog|work> 400 babies! |
| 15:37.46 | cog|work | 08:34 < cog|work> now that's an epic meal |
| 15:37.49 | Cide | yeah |
| 15:37.52 | Cide | SHOCKOLATE |
| 15:37.54 | Cide | RAWBERRY |
| 15:37.58 | Cide | MENERGY |
| 15:38.07 | Shirik | !reload |
| 15:38.08 | EDI | Cannot reload AI. Using fail safes. ai.lua:872: 'end' expected (to close 'do' at line 861) near '<eof>' |
| 15:38.14 | Cide | fail! |
| 15:38.16 | Cide | ~failrik |
| 15:38.17 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 15:38.19 | Shirik | !reload |
| 15:38.19 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 15:38.28 | Cide | KENYANS |
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| 15:38.40 | Cide | anyway |
| 15:38.40 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-rfq $~a] by Shirik |
| 15:38.42 | Shirik | !reload |
| 15:38.42 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 15:38.45 | Cide | you should try it and let me know cog|work |
| 15:38.55 | Cide | does your AI also think the system is "in flight" at reload Shirik? |
| 15:39.00 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:39.00 | Shirik | no |
| 15:39.11 | Cide | well that's no good |
| 15:39.15 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 15:39.17 | Cide | should've learned from your job |
| 15:39.43 | Shirik | why do you hate me Fisker :( |
| 15:40.35 | Shirik | cide: This is not a safety-critical system |
| 15:41.37 | Shirik | Fisker Fisker Fisker |
| 15:41.59 | Shirik | Fisker is now scared of me; I have destroyed him |
| 15:42.01 | Cide | oh |
| 15:42.05 | Cide | well that's where you're wrong Shirik |
| 15:42.10 | Cide | it's channel safety-critical |
| 15:42.20 | Shirik | hey |
| 15:42.21 | Shirik | hey |
| 15:42.23 | Cide | why do you want Fisker's attention anyway? |
| 15:42.25 | Shirik | tell me this is not an epic sequence diagram |
| 15:42.26 | TC-Work | Shirik: how dare you not call this channel safety-critical |
| 15:43.19 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a178bfe5de00db296505d63ba7394545.png |
| 15:43.23 | Shirik | epic sequence diagram |
| 15:44.04 | Cide | indeed |
| 15:44.33 | Cide | and by epic you mean minefield |
| 15:44.46 | Cide | why did you publish edjunkie's post btw cog|work? |
| 15:44.51 | Wobin | Shirik: kind of reminds me of the single sign on service in my latest project =( |
| 15:45.00 | cog|work | Cide: huh? |
| 15:45.09 | Shirik | minefield? |
| 15:45.16 | Shirik | Ackis!!!! |
| 15:45.17 | Shirik | where are you |
| 15:45.19 | Cide | http://blog.cogwheel.info/2010/07/caffeinated-bang-for-your-buck.html |
| 15:45.30 | Cide | shameless plug in the comment |
| 15:45.39 | Cide | Shirik: it looks like a minefield |
| 15:45.48 | cog|work | Cide: *shrug* |
| 15:45.56 | Shirik | strange looking minefield |
| 15:45.58 | Cide | you just want a comment don't you |
| 15:46.07 | cog|work | or i don't care either way :P |
| 15:46.13 | Cide | sure |
| 15:48.11 | Cide | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3246917/can-i-increase-int-i-by-more-than-one-using-the-i-syntax/3246948#3246948 |
| 15:48.14 | Cide | sweet optimization |
| 15:48.27 | Cide | yes I'm stalking you |
| 15:49.36 | Cidan | Shirik: o hi |
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| 15:51.15 | Shirik | ohi Cide |
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| 15:51.18 | Shirik | and Cidan too |
| 15:51.24 | Cide | ohi |
| 15:54.36 | Fisker | it's easy Cide |
| 15:54.44 | Fisker | just do a loop in the loop to increase it |
| 15:54.51 | Shirik | ohi Fisker |
| 15:55.07 | Fisker | ohi Shirik |
| 15:55.35 | Shirik | lua> ("Fisker!n_a@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk"):match("^%s*[^@]+@.-generic%-hostname.arrownet.dk%s*$") |
| 15:55.49 | Shirik | where the hell is luabot |
| 15:55.52 | Shirik | anyway, someone fix that |
| 15:56.08 | Fisker | i had to wikipedia cygnus x-1 btw Shirik |
| 15:56.44 | Fisker | btw your work is useless Shirik |
| 15:56.48 | Fisker | if i want to be a jerk, i'll be it |
| 15:57.01 | Cide | --> ("Fisker!n_a@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk"):match("^%s*[^@]+@.-generic%-hostname.arrownet.dk%s*$") |
| 15:57.01 | batbot | Cide: > Fisker!n_a@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk |
| 15:57.08 | Shirik | hm |
| 15:57.12 | Shirik | something's not working right then |
| 15:58.01 | Cide | did you add a manual override for fisker? |
| 15:58.04 | Cide | because that's a stupid idea |
| 15:58.07 | Cide | or did you do the opposite |
| 15:59.12 | Fisker | it would be much easier to make some ircop jerk give me a permanent hostmask |
| 15:59.29 | Cide | Fisker@Troll/Common |
| 15:59.34 | Shirik | oh... |
| 15:59.35 | Shirik | ERROR: While performing analysis 16: ai.lua:864: attempt to call field 'huge' (a number value) |
| 15:59.37 | Shirik | fail |
| 15:59.41 | Cide | ~failrik |
| 15:59.42 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 15:59.50 | Fisker | are you calling me huge? |
| 15:59.52 | Shirik | !reload |
| 15:59.52 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 15:59.54 | Fisker | ~debug.failrik() |
| 15:59.55 | purl | error("FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!"); |
| 16:00.09 | durcyn | he's calling you fat, Fisker |
| 16:00.22 | durcyn | fatty |
| 16:00.38 | Shirik | sweet |
| 16:00.52 | TC-Work | actually it was huge, not fat |
| 16:00.53 | Shirik | :Fisker!n_a@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk PRIVMSG #wowuidev :+~debug.failrik() |
| 16:00.54 | Shirik | Total score: -inf |
| 16:00.58 | Fisker | so do you want me to do something so i can be malicious Shirik ? |
| 16:01.08 | Cide | why... |
| 16:01.10 | Cide | that's a bad idea |
| 16:01.14 | Shirik | because, now Fisker can only ban himself |
| 16:01.20 | Shirik | and not the whole channel |
| 16:01.25 | Cide | oh |
| 16:01.36 | Cide | you added user-specific scores? |
| 16:01.44 | Shirik | those have always been in |
| 16:01.51 | Shirik | like when you decided to ban yourself by saying the same thing 3 times |
| 16:01.58 | Shirik | even though you claim it was 2 |
| 16:02.07 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:02.07 | TC-Work | that means his score can never be over 9000 |
| 16:02.08 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:02.10 | Cide | no |
| 16:02.12 | Cide | I claimed it was 4 |
| 16:02.14 | Cide | err |
| 16:02.15 | Fisker | so i can basically spam all i want |
| 16:02.17 | Cide | I claimed it was 3 |
| 16:02.19 | Cide | you claimed it was 4 |
| 16:02.22 | Cide | or something |
| 16:02.23 | Cide | who knows |
| 16:02.28 | Shirik | not really Fisker |
| 16:03.55 | Fisker | so how much of a jerk should i be until i get banned? |
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| 16:04.30 | durcyn | the normal amount |
| 16:04.32 | TC-Work | ~bad dog Fisker |
| 16:04.32 | purl | Bad dog Fisker, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 16:04.54 | Shirik | since when do dogs get cookies |
| 16:04.55 | Fisker | oh u durcyn |
| 16:05.42 | durcyn | wee woo, Fisker. wee. woo. |
| 16:05.53 | Shirik | this is awesome |
| 16:05.53 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:The_Thing_That_Should_Not_Be&diff=380399137&oldid=379207437 |
| 16:06.11 | Spejnar | howcome dstName can be null when firing spells? |
| 16:06.20 | TC-Work | Shirik: i live in LA, bottled water and cookies is not usual here. |
| 16:06.24 | TC-Work | for dogs |
| 16:06.29 | orofar | Spejnar: aoe? |
| 16:06.42 | Spejnar | orofar: shadowbolt |
| 16:07.11 | Arrowmaster | on start cast or end cast? |
| 16:07.20 | Cide | the text shadow is fugly Shirik |
| 16:07.44 | durcyn | a better question, what's the affiliation of the caster, Spejnar |
| 16:07.53 | durcyn | targets are not provided for hostile units. |
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| 16:09.18 | Spejnar | me casting on an enemy npc, dstName is nil some times, no idea why |
| 16:10.09 | Arrowmaster | again, on what exact event |
| 16:10.59 | Spejnar | start cast |
| 16:11.30 | Fisker | me Cide |
| 16:11.39 | Arrowmaster | that event never has a dstName set if you are casting on a hostile unit |
| 16:12.01 | Arrowmaster | the event for instant casts will though i think |
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| 16:12.59 | Spejnar | Arrowmaster: yup, that seems to be it, thx |
| 16:15.25 | Shirik | oh wow, I'm impressed |
| 16:15.28 | Shirik | UPS economy shipping |
| 16:15.39 | Spejnar | whats a good way to handle the targets you attack if dstName and dstGUID arnt set for spells with casting time? |
| 16:15.40 | Shirik | = 3 days |
| 16:17.07 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:17.09 | Fisker | i'm bored |
| 16:17.46 | Alram | Fisker, stop trolling OK |
| 16:17.50 | Shirik | LOL |
| 16:18.04 | Shirik | Fisker not trolling would cause him to disappear I think |
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| 16:18.12 | Cide | eh |
| 16:18.17 | Cide | not so sure |
| 16:18.24 | Cide | he speaks intelligently now and then! |
| 16:18.29 | Shirik | Fisker + malreth |
| 16:18.33 | Shirik | the world is about to explode |
| 16:18.40 | malreth | who? |
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| 16:18.58 | malreth | punts Fisker |
| 16:25.37 | Shirik | malreth vs Fisker go |
| 16:26.02 | malreth | Shirik: who? |
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| 16:30.17 | TC-Work | hmm...icelanders seem to do diddly with regards to steam |
| 16:30.25 | TC-Work | Shirik: |
| 16:30.37 | TC-Work | ~malreth vs Fisker |
| 16:30.52 | TC-Work | ~vs malreth Fisker |
| 16:30.53 | purl | in a one on one showdown, the companion cube wins. |
| 16:33.19 | malreth | ~scone Fisker |
| 16:33.19 | purl | Fisker is not a scone. |
| 16:33.33 | malreth | ~scone TC-Work |
| 16:33.34 | purl | TC-Work is not a scone. |
| 16:33.39 | malreth | ~scone Shirik |
| 16:33.40 | purl | Shirik is not a scone. |
| 16:33.44 | TC-Work | ~scone malreth |
| 16:33.45 | purl | malreth is a scone. |
| 16:33.50 | malreth | does a dance |
| 16:33.52 | TC-Work | ~botsnack |
| 16:33.52 | purl | TC-Work: :) |
| 16:36.59 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, are you cranberry orange, or cinnamon? Inquiring minds want to know. |
| 16:37.20 | Cide | ~scone cranberry orange |
| 16:37.21 | purl | cranberry orange is not a scone. |
| 16:37.22 | Cide | ~scone cinnamon |
| 16:37.23 | purl | cinnamon is not a scone. |
| 16:37.23 | kd3|netbook | o_o |
| 16:37.29 | Cide | he can't be either since he's a scone |
| 16:37.34 | kd3|netbook | aw... no steam on linux |
| 16:37.36 | kd3|netbook | sighs |
| 16:37.43 | Cide | you got steamed |
| 16:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no. I'm so sorry malreth, you're not popular in this area! |
| 16:37.55 | malreth | Cide speaks the truth. his logic is sound |
| 16:38.24 | TC-Work | kd3|netbook: wine? |
| 16:38.53 | kd3|netbook | works fine; was hoping for native |
| 16:38.55 | kd3|netbook | points at /. |
| 16:39.12 | TC-Work | and the mac version is to different? |
| 16:39.15 | TC-Work | too* |
| 16:39.34 | kd3|netbook | http://digitizor.com/2010/08/22/valve-puts-an-end-to-the-steam-on-linux-rumors/ |
| 16:39.36 | TC-Work | heh, mac on Linux converter |
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| 16:58.33 | mikma | http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/4975/ |
| 17:01.27 | Spejnar | any way to get the max hp of a target or do I need to save the first return from UnitHealth? |
| 17:01.49 | cog|work | !api healthmax |
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| 17:02.11 | Sixen | !api cogwheel |
| 17:02.18 | Sixen | ;) |
| 17:02.21 | cog|work | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitHealthMax |
| 17:02.36 | Spejnar | cog|work: thanks, funny I didnt find it while googling.. |
| 17:02.39 | Sixen | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/cogwheel |
| 17:02.48 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:02.49 | Sixen | cog, you're undocumented man. |
| 17:03.01 | Sixen | Did you see the UI&M Beta forums btw? |
| 17:06.12 | cog|work | i saw that they exist |
| 17:07.28 | Fisker | slaps Sixen around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:07.40 | Zyn | sadly Fisker also exist |
| 17:07.52 | Fisker | Zyn |
| 17:07.56 | Fisker | ideas are bulletproof |
| 17:08.08 | Zyn | bollocks |
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| 17:17.21 | kd3|netbook | mmm.. food |
| 17:18.49 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 17:18.51 | Fisker | kd3|netbook |
| 17:18.51 | Fisker | hey |
| 17:19.58 | Shirik | ok, epic google fail |
| 17:20.19 | Shirik | I'm trying to find a game shop |
| 17:20.21 | Shirik | results: |
| 17:20.23 | Shirik | Fairfax City Volunteer Fire Dept Inc?- more info » |
| 17:20.24 | Shirik | 4100 Chain Bridge Road, Fairfax, VA? - (703) 273-3638? |
| 17:20.24 | Shirik | Category: Hobby, Toy & Game Shops |
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| 17:21.12 | Cide | sounds about right |
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| 17:21.58 | kd3|netbook | yes fisk-fisk? |
| 17:22.16 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:22.20 | Fisker | we need to destroy people |
| 17:22.24 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xuLs7BCeo |
| 17:22.34 | Fisker | hey kd3|netbook wouldn't you say that ideas are bulletproof? |
| 17:22.39 | kd3|netbook | no |
| 17:22.59 | Cide | haven't you seen inception Fisker? |
| 17:23.06 | Fisker | no Cide |
| 17:23.12 | Cide | your loss |
| 17:23.12 | Fisker | why would i? |
| 17:23.16 | Fisker | not really |
| 17:23.20 | Shirik | it's the ring |
| 17:23.21 | Shirik | THE RING |
| 17:23.30 | Fisker | the ring sucks |
| 17:24.20 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:26.21 | cog|work | Chewbacca is on a giant squirrel shooting nazis with a crossbow. Your argument is invalid. |
| 17:27.17 | cog|work | http://fukung.net/v/31614/01edc5f458dc3454da2e525527b09994.jpg |
| 17:28.28 | Fisker | you can't prove it cog|work |
| 17:28.38 | Cide | actually he's just holding a crossbow in front of nazis |
| 17:29.15 | Fisker | my point exactly Cide |
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| 17:29.37 | Fisker | well my point if i had bothered to look at it |
| 17:30.31 | Shirik | CHANTILLY, VA, US08/23/20105:36 A.M.OUT FOR DELIVERYCHANTILLY, VA, US08/23/20105:36 A.M.OUT FOR DELIVERYCHANTILLY, VA, US08/23/20105:36 A.M.OUT FOR DELIVERYCHANTILLY, VA, US08/23/20105:36 A.M.OUT FOR DELIVERYCHANTILLY, VA, US08/23/20105:36 A.M.OUT FOR DELIVERYCHANTILLY, VA, US08/23/20105:36 A.M.OUT FOR DELIVERYCHANTILLY, VA, US08/23/20105:36 A.M.OUT FOR DELIVERYCHANTILLY, VA, US08/23/20105:3 |
| 17:30.35 | Shirik | whoops |
| 17:30.41 | Adys | you suck |
| 17:30.42 | Adys | spammer |
| 17:30.43 | cog|work | Tabs ftl |
| 17:30.44 | Cide | wow fail |
| 17:30.45 | Adys | you should be banned |
| 17:30.52 | Shirik | Adys |
| 17:30.54 | Shirik | find Ackis for me |
| 17:30.56 | Shirik | he is ignoring me |
| 17:30.58 | Adys | Ackis, hi |
| 17:31.08 | Adys | I cant find him |
| 17:31.10 | Adys | sorry i tried |
| 17:31.13 | Cide | what do you need him for anyway? |
| 17:31.19 | Shirik | because |
| 17:31.20 | Cide | you shall not play xbox games with him |
| 17:31.23 | Adys | Aujourd'hui, je demande à ma nouvelle secrétaire soi-disant bilingue français-grec de traduire une lettre à envoyer à un client grec très susceptible. Elle a rédigé la lettre, changé la police de caractères vers "Symbol" et la lui a envoyée. VDM |
| 17:31.23 | Shirik | I can't explain but |
| 17:31.28 | Shirik | has nothing to do with xbox I promise |
| 17:31.33 | Shirik | but he really needs to know something |
| 17:31.33 | Cide | secritz? |
| 17:31.35 | Shirik | and I really need to tell him |
| 17:31.42 | Cide | interesting |
| 17:31.44 | Adys | you have a crush on him? |
| 17:31.53 | Fisker | i have a crush on him :( |
| 17:31.55 | Fisker | get away Shirik |
| 17:31.58 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:32.01 | Shirik | I have a crush on him |
| 17:32.05 | Shirik | it's a french thing |
| 17:32.19 | Adys | Im not french anymore |
| 17:32.42 | Fisker | he's right you know |
| 17:32.53 | Fisker | any other frenchman would've surrendered by now |
| 17:33.02 | Fisker | highfives Shirik |
| 17:33.15 | Cide | Adys: why does db.mmo-champion.com not offer search suggestions? |
| 17:33.23 | Adys | laziness |
| 17:33.28 | Adys | well |
| 17:33.30 | Fisker | a wizard Cide |
| 17:33.31 | Adys | i could do it |
| 17:33.32 | Cide | ubad |
| 17:33.38 | Adys | but i need a js coder to help me with it |
| 17:33.38 | Fisker | a wizard Cide |
| 17:33.43 | Cide | you don't know js? |
| 17:33.58 | Adys | i do, but not enough and i dont want to go back to managing the db's javascript |
| 17:34.03 | Adys | it's hell |
| 17:34.06 | Cide | jquery dude |
| 17:34.10 | Adys | i got enough on my plate |
| 17:34.12 | Cide | $$$ |
| 17:34.40 | Adys | hey |
| 17:34.41 | Adys | cide |
| 17:34.42 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/latest/ |
| 17:34.43 | Adys | :3 |
| 17:35.28 | Cide | what about it |
| 17:35.29 | Adys | Aug. 21, 2010 - New Items (8071) |
| 17:35.29 | Adys | i just like showing off |
| 17:35.29 | Adys | :( |
| 17:35.29 | Cide | ubad |
| 17:35.34 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/1324/deprecated-parkers-lunch/ |
| 17:35.34 | Adys | ew |
| 17:36.41 | Cide | (Deprecated Parker)'s Lunch, Deprecated (Parker's Lunch) or effectively Parker's (Deprecated Lunch) |
| 17:36.45 | Cide | not sure which one is worst |
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| 17:48.30 | Maldivia | Adys: I like the deprecated area trigger flag - jesperlode/darkhallow/fargodeep better :) |
| 17:48.55 | Adys | Maldivia: i noticed it |
| 17:48.59 | Adys | cant fathom the idea... |
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| 17:50.25 | kd3|netbook | so uh... |
| 17:50.27 | kd3|netbook | ponders |
| 17:51.00 | Dagmar | Maybe it'll make the client delete itself. :) |
| 17:51.05 | Adys | ponders kd3's pondering |
| 17:51.06 | kd3|netbook | beer in space! http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/08/23/1553232/Bacteria-From-Beer-Lasts-553-Days-in-Space?from=rss |
| 17:51.22 | kd3|netbook | though it's the place, not the drink. :( |
| 17:52.53 | kd3|netbook | and bah at having to write summaries for crappy short stories for world lit class |
| 17:55.56 | kd3|netbook | wth... khadgar's unlocking tome? |
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| 17:58.34 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_belief_that_a_cosmic_jewish_zombie_who_was_his_own_father_can_make_you_live_forever_if_you_symbolically_eat_his_flesh_and_telepathically_tell_him_you_accept_him_as_your_master,_so_he_can_remove_an_evil_force_from_your_soul_that_is_present_in_humanity&action=edit&redlink=1 |
| 17:58.40 | Shirik | was a redirect to "Christianity" |
| 17:59.11 | kd3|netbook | lol |
| 17:59.19 | Pneumatus | i dissaprove of this deletion :< |
| 17:59.59 | Dagmar | I'm with Pneumatus |
| 18:00.11 | Shirik | I didn't delete it! |
| 18:00.14 | Shirik | go to [[WP:DRV]] |
| 18:00.16 | Dagmar | Seems like a perfectly reasonable disambiguator to me |
| 18:00.18 | cbreak | I bet you can make it shorter |
| 18:00.26 | Shirik | well there were 4 options |
| 18:00.40 | Shirik | 5 |
| 18:00.51 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion#The_belief_that_a_cosmic_jewish_zombie_who_was_his_own_father_can_make_you_live_forever_if_you_symbolically_eat_his_flesh_and_telepathically_tell_him_you_accept_him_as_your_master.2C_so_he_can_remove_an_evil_force_from_your_soul_that_is_present_in_humanity |
| 18:01.01 | Dagmar | CNN is bored today |
| 18:01.15 | batrick | look at all this shirik spam |
| 18:01.20 | batrick | where's the mods |
| 18:01.30 | kd3|netbook | but that's not a permalink... it'll be lost in the depths of the RFD archives soon |
| 18:01.30 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o batrick] by ChanServ |
| 18:01.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | you know he's banned from this channel |
| 18:01.38 | batrick | cute |
| 18:02.20 | Dagmar | They've just said that Conrad Murray (the doc who killed Jacko) has a bunch of MJ fans planning on confronting him outside the courtroom. ...and they've just given the location and a time an hour and a half from now. |
| 18:02.33 | Dagmar | SUbtext: "More of you go down there and tear him to shreds" |
| 18:02.40 | Fisker | jeg boller dig Shirik |
| 18:02.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | MJ loved his "milk" |
| 18:03.11 | Shirik | wait |
| 18:03.18 | Shirik | so we've confirmed the doc did intentionally kill him? |
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| 18:03.26 | Shirik | I don't watch the news you have to fill me in |
| 18:03.27 | Shirik | STATION! |
| 18:03.31 | Dagmar | That depends on how you look at things. |
| 18:03.42 | Lunessa | KINGSLAYER, BITCHES |
| 18:03.46 | Dagmar | What the doctor was doing was improper, and hellishly irresponsible. |
| 18:04.19 | Dagmar | ...but the fact remains that a bunch of unstable-types are upset and planning something. |
| 18:04.30 | Fisker | Shirik jeg bollede dig |
| 18:04.35 | Shirik | k |
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| 18:05.39 | batrick | uh, the fact is celebrities get what they want no matter what |
| 18:05.52 | batrick | I don't get all the hate towards the doctor |
| 18:05.59 | Fisker | so what will you do about it? |
| 18:06.17 | Fisker | robokitty |
| 18:06.19 | Fisker | du sutter |
| 18:07.01 | Shirik | batrick: Because people always will complain about something |
| 18:07.08 | Shirik | if it wasn't this they'd be complaining about something else |
| 18:07.40 | Lunessa | Dagmar: news story linkee? I cocoon-ed on my day off. |
| 18:07.50 | batrick | hey shirik |
| 18:07.51 | batrick | chess? |
| 18:07.57 | Shirik | I was about to leave :< |
| 18:08.06 | batrick | keyword *about*! |
| 18:08.09 | batrick | so i guess we'll play \o/ |
| 18:08.13 | batrick | 1. e4 |
| 18:08.33 | Shirik | doesn't Windows have some built-in chess now |
| 18:08.37 | batrick | iono |
| 18:08.42 | batrick | as if I use windows lol! |
| 18:08.50 | Shirik | need some online chess |
| 18:08.52 | batrick | IRC chess is good enough for me |
| 18:08.54 | Shirik | you need to get a Yahoo ID |
| 18:08.57 | batrick | sif |
| 18:09.29 | cbreak | Shirik: there's a nice go app for iPad. |
| 18:09.33 | Shirik | Aren't you a little pervert too? |
| 18:09.36 | cbreak | I never dared to try it though |
| 18:09.44 | batrick | wait what? |
| 18:09.46 | batrick | oh and |
| 18:09.51 | batrick | don't you have android shirik? |
| 18:10.00 | Shirik | Just a little handcuff doesn't do |
| 18:10.12 | Fisker | windows have built in chess Shirik |
| 18:10.15 | Shirik | Beat the bullet, push and pull it |
| 18:10.15 | Fisker | in aero atleast |
| 18:10.18 | Shirik | 'till the crotch is black and blue |
| 18:10.20 | Fisker | xp have internet chess i believe |
| 18:10.25 | Fisker | aero = win 7 of course |
| 18:10.27 | Shirik | Aren't I a little pervert too? |
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| 18:10.45 | A-KO | win7 is winsauce |
| 18:10.46 | batrick | is confused. |
| 18:10.51 | Fisker | lol Kalroth |
| 18:10.52 | Shirik | also |
| 18:10.52 | Fisker | stofa |
| 18:10.55 | Shirik | no I don't have android |
| 18:10.57 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:10.57 | Shirik | I have a blackberry |
| 18:10.58 | Shirik | foo |
| 18:11.00 | Fisker | you should have androi |
| 18:11.02 | Fisker | android |
| 18:11.04 | Fisker | rim sucks |
| 18:11.06 | Shirik | no I shouldn't |
| 18:11.08 | Kalroth | Fisker: 50mbit! |
| 18:11.09 | Fisker | you should |
| 18:11.10 | Shirik | blackberry is win |
| 18:11.12 | Fisker | jeg boller dig Shirik |
| 18:15.18 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:15.41 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Ah... don't really have a URL for that since it's the on-the-fly reporting they do on CNN HLN. It'll surely be all over their website in about an hour and fifteen minutes if the crowds tear that guy to pieces |
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| 18:24.34 | alestane | "We normally recommend extraction" were really not the words I wanted to hear from my dentists today. |
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| 18:26.34 | KarlKFI|work | that's why your mouth grows extras |
| 18:27.37 | alestane | The extras are the problem, Karl. |
| 18:28.07 | cbreak | it's better than "I am sorry, but there's nothing we can do" |
| 18:28.07 | nevcairiel | normally makes it sound there is a but coming |
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| 18:29.16 | cbreak | "...but there are many types of food that do not require teeth to eat" |
| 18:30.03 | alestane | Well, I have decay on my wisdom teeth. Because the teeth are only partially erupted, they think it would probably be better to take them out than try and fill them. |
| 18:31.03 | cbreak | :/ |
| 18:31.23 | cbreak | I had two of them removed by means of a chisel, a hammer and lots of narcotics. |
| 18:31.33 | cbreak | I don't think there was enough narcotics involved. |
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| 18:32.29 | Dagmar | If any of you are on 64.74.254.20, consider this your fair warning |
| 18:32.57 | Fisker | why Dagmar ? |
| 18:34.43 | mikma | wobin: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/08/23/mega-x-men-full.jpg |
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| 18:35.35 | Maldivia | Dagmar: what has OVGuide.com done to you ? |
| 18:36.27 | Cidan | alestane: wanna see something neat? |
| 18:36.45 | alestane | You fill me with dread. |
| 18:36.49 | Dagmar | Maldivia: They are currently sending me some rather fishy looking DNS queries |
| 18:36.51 | Cidan | http://alobato.random.dev.symplicity.com/teeth.jpg |
| 18:36.53 | Cidan | That's me |
| 18:36.56 | Cidan | Rather, my teeth |
| 18:37.06 | Cidan | The red marks are my four teeth |
| 18:37.09 | cbreak | After the operation, I could not even muster enough brain power to watch TV. |
| 18:37.10 | Dagmar | Maldivia: I am now sending them back. I don't want them. |
| 18:37.19 | cbreak | but on the next day, I could almost eat again. |
| 18:37.25 | Cidan | Well, were. |
| 18:37.26 | cbreak | it healed very fast. |
| 18:37.30 | alestane | That riderects to a secure site with an untrusted certificate. |
| 18:37.35 | Cidan | Yes |
| 18:37.46 | mikma | cidan: "wrong certificade" |
| 18:37.50 | Dagmar | I may have erred slightly in how I'm sending them back. It's possible there's some loops going on. |
| 18:37.54 | Cidan | Yes, I know, bleh, just go, xD |
| 18:37.55 | Dagmar | Oh well, mistakes happen. |
| 18:38.14 | Cidan | I've yet to find the time to get an *.*.* cert |
| 18:38.32 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:38.54 | Maldivia | Dagmar: hehehe |
| 18:39.01 | mikma | slaps fisker around with a large fistingdildo |
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| 18:40.09 | mikma | cidan: ouch! |
| 18:40.22 | mikma | cidan: those two must be pit...m? |
| 18:40.32 | Cidan | Yuh, it sucked, but absolutely worth getting them removed. |
| 18:40.38 | alestane | Yours were pretty completely unerupted. |
| 18:40.43 | alestane | I'm not in pain. |
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| 18:41.06 | Cidan | Mine were erupted on all sides, xray doesn't show it too well |
| 18:41.16 | alestane | They're only concerned that with the gum covering the tooth, especially with decay in the tooth, that it could develop an abcess. |
| 18:41.18 | Cidan | plus a huge infection on one |
| 18:41.38 | cbreak | one of my teeth went forward instead of up |
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| 18:41.51 | cbreak | so it had to be removed with force |
| 18:42.17 | mikma | Use the force, dr. luke |
| 18:43.11 | cbreak | when I saw the dentist wipe blood splatters from his plastic protection goggles, I decided it was time to close my eyes and think of a happy place. |
| 18:43.28 | Cidan | Ha, that's awesome |
| 18:44.10 | Maldivia | time to call in Dexter :P |
| 18:44.26 | Amarande | gah, anyone else have problems with having to reloadui RIGHT AFTER LOGGING IN when using broker stuff and a panel? |
| 18:44.37 | Amarande | seems like some of the time, the tooltips never load properly and just show the name of the addon, can't be fixed without reloadui |
| 18:44.48 | durcyn | Amarande: go on. |
| 18:45.06 | Amarande | e.g., instead of your friends list it just says "Ara Friends" for the tooltip and clicking only brings up the "add" dialog |
| 18:47.27 | Dagmar | cbreak: What's awesome is when they wheel in a cart full of tools that exactly match the ones your dad uses to work on the car |
| 18:47.51 | cbreak | happy place, happy place... |
| 18:48.53 | kd3|netbook | eesh at a 9-day-long traffic jam |
| 18:48.55 | kd3|netbook | only in china |
| 18:48.59 | alestane | THe best part is that the xrays I just paid $125 for don't show anything useful. |
| 18:49.34 | Fisker | slaps kd3|netbook around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:49.58 | Fisker | Are you ircing while driving? |
| 18:50.04 | Fisker | or driving while ircing? |
| 18:50.25 | kd3|netbook | neither. I'm eating while ircing at the food court |
| 18:50.43 | kd3|netbook | <3 using one of my meal punches for all-you-can eat... reasonably good food too |
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| 18:55.07 | Fisker | you got courts for food? |
| 18:55.13 | Fisker | Do you have juries too then? |
| 18:55.17 | Fisker | Like this food is awesome? |
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| 18:58.10 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.25 | mikma | sentence is life with kfc |
| 18:58.46 | kd3|netbook | ick. kfc |
| 19:01.54 | Jamash | oh that reminds me I have two veggie burgers in the microwave |
| 19:03.21 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/22/funny-pictures-firefox-cannot-load/ |
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| 19:04.05 | Shirik | http://www.theonion.com/articles/desperate-pandora-employees-scrambling-to-find-son,17905/ |
| 19:05.37 | Dagmar | while [ 1 ] ; do dig @64.74.254.20 A fuckyouguys.; sleep 2; done |
| 19:07.35 | Dagmar | "WHy?" you may be thinking... |
| 19:08.00 | Dagmar | $ grep 64.74.254.20 /var/log/syslog | grep "DST=53" | wc -l |
| 19:08.10 | Dagmar | 10854 |
| 19:08.20 | Dagmar | I am NOT running a nameserver here goddamnit |
| 19:08.34 | Dagmar | They don't have a fucking whois contact phone number either. |
| 19:09.44 | Shirik | ?? |
| 19:09.53 | Shirik | strange people |
| 19:10.46 | Dagmar | They're idiots |
| 19:11.00 | Dagmar | They're using DNS to try to map network distances thinking no one would notice. |
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| 19:11.14 | Shirik | iptables -A INPUT -p 53 -j REJECT / |
| 19:11.15 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:11.19 | Dagmar | People notice, but no one would _care_ if their stuff worked correctly. |
| 19:11.51 | Dagmar | Shirik: No one's at my house right now. Nothing is streaming anything from their servers. They don't even have any reason to be thinking about my IP since I've had the same one for three weeks now |
| 19:12.02 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:12.04 | Shirik | heresiarchguild spambot # grep 64.74.254.20 /var/log/messages | wc -l |
| 19:12.04 | Shirik | 0 |
| 19:12.07 | Dagmar | ...yet their shit keeps handing me bogus lookups for . every couple seconds. |
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| 19:12.19 | Dagmar | So now I'm handing them back bogus lookups for "fuckyouguys." every couple seconds. |
| 19:12.29 | Dagmar | I'll turn it off again "when I get around to it" |
| 19:12.30 | Shirik | rofl |
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| 19:12.36 | Shirik | this is the closest I have |
| 19:12.39 | Shirik | heresiarchguild spambot # grep 64.74 /var/log/messages |
| 19:12.39 | Shirik | Aug 11 18:29:40 heresiarchguild named[3304]: client 91.198.22.76#64474: transfer of 'heresiarchguild.com/IN': IXFR ended |
| 19:12.55 | Shirik | matches "#64474" |
| 19:13.30 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:16.10 | Shirik | (del/undel) 12:15, 23 August 2010 Shirik (talk | contribs | block) blocked 188.28.16.0/20 (talk) (anon. only, account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 3 months â (Abusing multiple accounts: Range used by GEORGIEGIBBONS. Registered users, please log in. New users, please request an account. <!-- Account creators: Please request checkuser prior to account creation -->) (unblock | change block) |
| 19:16.14 | Shirik | wrong channel |
| 19:20.13 | Shirik | Dagmar: So why are they targetting you? |
| 19:20.41 | Motig | is there any way to access the blizzard downloader settings with the new launcher? |
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| 19:21.44 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.19 | Dagmar | Shirik: Same reason little kids throw rocks at strangers sometimes. They're just not very smart people. |
| 19:22.48 | kd3|netbook | now to snooze through world lit |
| 19:23.52 | alestane | Who's sending you DNS now, Dagmar? |
| 19:24.00 | Dagmar | The shortbus kids at ovguide.com |
| 19:24.09 | Dagmar | I don't run a fucking nameserver |
| 19:24.19 | Shirik | :/ Dagmar has a cloak |
| 19:24.20 | Dagmar | My server doesn't even send packets BACK for that traffic. |
| 19:24.25 | Shirik | I was going to send him DNS queries |
| 19:24.34 | Dagmar | >.< |
| 19:24.44 | Dagmar | A few I could care less about. |
| 19:25.04 | Shirik | emerge --deep --update world |
| 19:25.10 | Shirik | any bets on how many packages I need to update? |
| 19:25.13 | Dagmar | WHen I read my logs (because responsible people actually do) and I see a five digit number showing up under bogosity, and it's all from one damn place, I tend to get irritable about it |
| 19:25.17 | Shirik | it's been a few months at least |
| 19:26.14 | Shirik | wtf "nothing to merge" |
| 19:26.15 | Shirik | what is this crap |
| 19:27.22 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:27.28 | Shirik | it's been so long I've forgotten I need to sync first ._. |
| 19:29.13 | kd3|netbook | 5-digit? |
| 19:29.14 | kd3|netbook | eesh |
| 19:29.18 | durcyn | using unstable prefix? maybe 500. |
| 19:29.36 | durcyn | easily half that for stable |
| 19:29.37 | Shirik | I use a hardened build actually |
| 19:30.18 | durcyn | oh, well, that's a profile for sissies who don't like broken toolchains. |
| 19:30.30 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 19:30.44 | Dagmar | Sharp edges make a growin' boy stronger. |
| 19:30.58 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:31.12 | durcyn | i've recompiled glibc four times so far this week on my atom router, it fills up the hours. |
| 19:31.19 | Amarande | yay, someone forgot to talk to brann after the tribunal event was done, now someone has to go back to do so :P |
| 19:31.24 | Amarande | no wonder people hate this place |
| 19:32.00 | kd3|netbook | compile on an atom? |
| 19:32.01 | kd3|netbook | winces |
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| 19:34.03 | durcyn | it's a 330 at least, but still takes a while |
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| 19:39.02 | Shirik | Total: 145 packages (129 upgrades, 12 new, 4 in new slots, 1 uninstall), Size of downloads: 364,070 kB |
| 19:39.02 | Shirik | Conflict: 4 blocks |
| 19:39.47 | Cidan | ugh |
| 19:39.47 | durcyn | oh, you're gonna have lots of fun breakage too, with the openssl-1.0 upgrade |
| 19:39.58 | Cidan | Equallogic is crap |
| 19:40.40 | Shirik | it doesn't appear to be going for openssl-1.0 |
| 19:40.43 | Shirik | [ebuild U ] dev-libs/openssl-0.9.8o [0.9.8n] USE="zlib -bindist -gmp -kerberos -sse2 -test" 3,685 kB |
| 19:41.04 | durcyn | man, hardened really is behind the times then |
| 19:42.43 | Shirik | ~wiki Talk:Mateo Arias |
| 19:43.57 | Amarande | ahh, the wonders of talk pages |
| 19:44.19 | Amarande | you talk about people that you don't know, you talk about people wherever you go, you just talk, taaaaaaalk too much |
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| 19:45.43 | Shirik | want to be really scared? |
| 19:45.46 | Shirik | ~wiki .free |
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| 19:51.21 | unfo- | q |
| 19:51.22 | Yssaril | Shirik: your account has been banned get it unlocked for free at blizzard.free :P |
| 19:51.29 | unfo- | mt |
| 19:51.34 | Shirik | lol |
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| 20:00.37 | Shirik | google maps is strange |
| 20:00.57 | Shirik | it's telling me to take US 29 to I-66 to US 29, despite the fact that US 29 is a straight line and I-66 looks like a geodesic |
| 20:01.16 | Shirik | (and no, I'm only going 30 minutes, a geodesic is not shorter) |
| 20:01.19 | TC-Work | Shirik: google maps > you |
| 20:01.55 | Yssaril | Shirik: might be some wiered city vs state vs federaly owned road |
| 20:02.58 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:03.19 | zenzelezz | or maybe it questions your ability to drive straight |
| 20:04.07 | alestane | US Highways often have lower speed limits than federal Interstates, and frequently have traffic lights, commercial lots and other features that can impede traffic. |
| 20:04.08 | NightHawkTheSane | it's probably protecting other drivers from you. |
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| 20:06.01 | NightHawkTheSane | alternately, what alestane said |
| 20:06.23 | Amarande | yeah, what alestane said |
| 20:06.28 | NightHawkTheSane | typically interstates are high-speed thoroughfares |
| 20:06.45 | NightHawkTheSane | thinks maybe he munged that word |
| 20:06.49 | Amarande | hell, I could go almost all the way to Vegas by just getting on US 6, which is actually a local road around here and following it most of the way West |
| 20:06.50 | alestane | Interstates are controlled-access roads. |
| 20:06.51 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs and finishes his sammich |
| 20:06.59 | Amarande | probably be a lot slower than taking the interstate though :) |
| 20:07.23 | Amarande | yes, one of our local thoroughfares is actually part of *the second longest continuous highway in the country* |
| 20:07.28 | Amarande | Connecticut does have interesting features apparently :) |
| 20:07.42 | NightHawkTheSane | only in that they let you leave the state. |
| 20:07.50 | NightHawkTheSane | (zing) |
| 20:07.54 | Amarande | Only US 20 is longer than US 6 ... and I think 6 did used to be longer at some point. |
| 20:08.03 | Amarande | 6 still goes all the way from Cape Cod to California. |
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| 20:10.38 | alestane | Where in Connecticut? |
| 20:10.42 | Fisker | i am superior Shirik |
| 20:11.19 | Amarande | alestane: Danbury area |
| 20:11.33 | alestane | My uncle lives in Stamford. |
| 20:11.47 | Amarande | also, why does there seem to be a distinct lack of geek in Connecticut? |
| 20:12.02 | alestane | Let me know if anything brings you up to Boston-area. |
| 20:12.27 | Amarande | Seems like every site I join, even if there's quite a decent number of active members, I'm the only one from CT |
| 20:12.39 | Amarande | and usually, there's fairly few in general from New England vs. almost every other part of the country |
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| 20:15.42 | NightHawkTheSane | I think the answer to that is either a: The north-east is not a strong center of technological development (see: silicon valley, pacific nw, and oddly parts of NC, around charlotte i think). or b: you're not looking in the right places and/or seeing selection bias. |
| 20:15.51 | Dagmar | Perhaps because Cambridge and MIT students are better at being discreet about their IRL locations? |
| 20:16.18 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean "obsessed with privacy"? |
| 20:16.34 | Dagmar | No, I mean they understand the need for discretion. |
| 20:17.49 | Dagmar | NHTS: Redhat is there. |
| 20:17.56 | Dagmar | You can't tell me there's no geeks at RedHat. |
| 20:18.27 | Cidan | also Epic Megagames |
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| 20:19.25 | Amarande | Dagmar: you seem to speak as if there is something bad about openness. |
| 20:19.38 | Amarande | Although it does seem to be kind of agreed that Glasnost contributed to the fall of the USSR ... but that's beside the point. :) |
| 20:20.15 | Dagmar | That's not "openness". That's called "being stupid". |
| 20:20.16 | alestane | The 128 belt in Mass. used to be a major focus for the high-tech industry, and there's still a huge number of tech companies around here. |
| 20:20.41 | Dagmar | People don't necessarily need to know where you are. |
| 20:20.42 | alestane | Cambridge is stuffed with biotech and pharmaceutical companies. |
| 20:21.21 | alestane | Microsoft, Sun, Adobe, and Autodesk all have campuses or offices within half an hour of me. |
| 20:21.49 | Fisker | sun who? |
| 20:22.03 | Dagmar | Heck we had a thing go down on one of the itsec mailing lists a few years back where someone just grepped a social networking blog aggregator like Twitter for "vacation". Found a bunch of people who said they were going on vacation, and then started trying to figure out if he could determine home addresses. |
| 20:22.12 | Dagmar | In a suprisingly high number of cases, you can. |
| 20:22.52 | Dagmar | So, if you're a criminal with a penchant for websearches, you could start targeting people who are 1) far from home, 2) own a lot of expensive toys, and 3) are within the range of a short drive in an inconspicuous vehicle. |
| 20:23.12 | Fisker | http://twitter.com/#search?q=vacation <-didn't even need grep or linux |
| 20:23.14 | Fisker | or cygwin |
| 20:23.55 | Fisker | why the fuck are people other than the news companies tweeting news? |
| 20:24.02 | Fisker | that's like messed up |
| 20:24.09 | Amarande | Fisker: welcome to the internet based press |
| 20:24.16 | KarlKFI|work | need some web UI help. http://imgur.com/WGAxj.png I need to figure out the best UI to make the max results and date range require either or both but at least one. the age range is essentially a sliding window with the first date as a reference point (ex: 30days-60days prior). The age range can be used for Invoice or Due Date, but not Late Payment Date. |
| 20:25.12 | Fisker | i think i'll use twitter to say i'm on vacation |
| 20:25.18 | Fisker | but then sexually assault any burglars |
| 20:25.21 | Fisker | nom nom nom |
| 20:25.22 | durcyn | are you on vacation, Fisker? |
| 20:25.28 | Fisker | i wish durcyn |
| 20:25.41 | Dagmar | Fisker: Sounds like a disturbingly effective idea |
| 20:25.46 | KarlKFI|work | i was thinking of using checkboxes in front of the range and the max inputs, but then it's not obvious that at least 1 is required. it's also then confusing if you can use the aging w/ or w/o the range |
| 20:26.26 | KarlKFI|work | i could make 3 checkboxes one for each fo the bottom 3 rows and then add another date entry that the aging uses |
| 20:27.12 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: I think your best bet is to just pre-populate the max results field, and if they clear it to try to specify neither restriction on the search, cough up an error that says at least one is required. |
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| 20:27.28 | alestane | Disable the search button (or leave the results display empty) until something is entered in one of them. |
| 20:27.51 | KarlKFI|work | dissabling the button would be really confusing unless it also said why |
| 20:28.09 | Dagmar | I don't think they're going to be terribly likely to mess with the max results field unless their first search turned out to be too broad |
| 20:28.25 | alestane | You could put a red shadow behind the fields until someone enters something in one of them. |
| 20:28.39 | KarlKFI|work | that's a good point dagmar |
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| 20:29.25 | KarlKFI|work | i do have red outlines as a standard for errors and red text under the label, but i'd have to add that with js since most of my validation si server side atm |
| 20:29.57 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 20:30.25 | KarlKFI|work | i could set the max limit to something especially limiting to start with, like 100 |
| 20:30.42 | KarlKFI|work | then they woudl have to uncheck or change it for large queries |
| 20:31.27 | KarlKFI|work | but the real question is: Is there a way to show "you must pick at least one of these 3 options" without actually writing that? |
| 20:31.52 | alestane | That's always been a poser in UI design. |
| 20:32.46 | Amarande | This is why living alone is a bum deal. Not only do you have to pay all the bills yourself, but you have to be careful about advertising when you're not home. |
| 20:32.59 | Amarande | If you live with other people, like I do, you don't have to pay all the bills yourself, and SOMEONE will be home even if you're not. |
| 20:33.10 | zenzelezz | depends who you live with |
| 20:33.14 | KarlKFI|work | alestane: so there's no good way? |
| 20:33.15 | Amarande | Not to mention if you live alone and work a nine to five job, it's probably something of a bitch to get packages delivered. |
| 20:33.28 | Amarande | Since you'd have to arrange for a signature exception every single time or you will *never see your package*, at least with FedEx. |
| 20:33.54 | alestane | I don't know of a method that's been unequivocally identified as good, Karl. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. |
| 20:34.00 | KarlKFI|work | Amarande: the apt office signs for ours and holds them for us. |
| 20:34.24 | alestane | But since people have different standards, it's also one of those "all of the people all of the time" issues. |
| 20:34.25 | zenzelezz | Amarande: do your post offices not hold packages for you? |
| 20:34.27 | KarlKFI|work | but that doesnt work at a condo or house |
| 20:35.10 | KarlKFI|work | alestane: do you know any good options to consider/ |
| 20:35.12 | KarlKFI|work | ? |
| 20:35.21 | Fisker | zenzelezz |
| 20:35.23 | Fisker | i am alive |
| 20:35.25 | KarlKFI|work | the only one i got is checkboxes |
| 20:35.35 | cbreak | let them deliver packages to your office. |
| 20:35.44 | KarlKFI|work | i could javascript validate with a message if none are clicked... |
| 20:35.51 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: About hte only way to do what you were asking bout that last time would be to use javascript to drop a translucent zlayer over the entire area where the submit button lives... with the text "You must use at least one search qualifier above" |
| 20:36.06 | alestane | You can also use a menu to indicate what type of parameter you're supplying, since one option will always be highlighted, but that doesn't let them input both. |
| 20:36.35 | KarlKFI|work | meh, i dont like stoppign submission, i'll jsut have it server side validate too, but i want a warning so they know before hand it wont work |
| 20:37.23 | KarlKFI|work | alestane: you can actually do multiselects froma dropdown but it confuses peopel unless you tell them to ctrol/cmd click multiples |
| 20:37.30 | Dagmar | ...remembering that a zlayer just makes it impossible for modern browswer to let the user click on them. Someone with javascript off or a crap browser can still submit queries you'll want to reject, which is why I'm saying the most effective solution would be to pre-populate at least one field, and explain the restriction _after_ a user tries clearing all fields and then submitting a query |
| 20:37.46 | Dagmar | You'll always have to sanity check the incoming query anyway. |
| 20:37.59 | Cide | could go the windows route |
| 20:38.03 | Cide | use different sections or tabs with slightly different interfaces depending on the requirements |
| 20:38.06 | Dagmar | ...unless, of course, you like romanians typing "ROFLLOL" all over your site. |
| 20:38.09 | alestane | And you can't easily type two values into a single box that has a dropdown next to it. |
| 20:38.40 | KarlKFI|work | there are better ways than an overlay Dagmar, like :Disable() |
| 20:38.46 | alestane | I find roblems like this often provoke the question, "why is this restriction necessary?" |
| 20:39.22 | KarlKFI|work | also a good question. |
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| 20:39.44 | KarlKFI|work | in this case it's to prevent server overload with huge queries |
| 20:40.04 | Cide | if you want to make it not confusing you could probably do it step by step, unlocking one section at a time, and giving context-sensitive feedback for each step |
| 20:40.08 | Cide | a glorified wizard if you will |
| 20:40.23 | KarlKFI|work | that's not very good for power users tho |
| 20:40.33 | Cide | it's not that bad either |
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| 20:40.43 | KarlKFI|work | more pages, more clicks |
| 20:40.43 | alestane | Then I'd throttle it server-side and inform the user if their results were truncated (and give them the option to extend the search). |
| 20:40.45 | Cide | clicking an option "unlocks" the next section |
| 20:40.47 | Cide | it would be one page |
| 20:41.01 | KarlKFI|work | easier said than done alestane |
| 20:41.06 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: Disable() isn't going to put explanatory text over the changed area |
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| 20:41.24 | KarlKFI|work | you're picking nits now Dagmar |
| 20:41.29 | Dagmar | No, I'm actually not. |
| 20:41.45 | alestane | Cide: If I define a function with "def stuff(item=someList)" and call it as "stuff(None)", item will be None for that invocation rather than someList, yes? |
| 20:41.58 | Cide | yes |
| 20:41.58 | KarlKFI|work | overlay doesn't handle :Submit() or hitting enter |
| 20:42.02 | Dagmar | Merely disabling a button doesn't let a user know why it's disabled |
| 20:42.19 | alestane | Dam, I was hoping default values would clean up my code a bit. |
| 20:42.32 | Cide | what were you trying to solve? |
| 20:42.46 | Cide | or are |
| 20:42.47 | alestane | I supply an object to an API that calls its methods. |
| 20:43.12 | alestane | The API may call them with a real parameter, or with None, indicating that it is asking about the root of the tree. |
| 20:43.47 | Cide | you can't call it with just ()? |
| 20:43.52 | alestane | So if I get None as an argument, I have to replace the argument with my own object, which will always be the same. |
| 20:44.08 | alestane | I'm not the one calling the code. |
| 20:44.11 | Cide | ah |
| 20:44.14 | Cide | well |
| 20:44.18 | Cide | there are a few solutions |
| 20:44.41 | alestane | The easiest seems to be starting the function with "if item is None: item = default" |
| 20:44.53 | Cide | yeah, that works |
| 20:44.57 | Lopeppeppy | Wives are not perl scripts. Start there instead. *poke* |
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| 20:45.23 | Cide | or def stuff(**kwargs): kwargs.setdefault('foo', default) |
| 20:45.27 | Cide | depending on your requirements |
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| 20:47.40 | Cide | a crazy solution would be to create a property |
| 20:47.52 | Cide | that may actually be a neat idea |
| 20:48.09 | alestane | Elucidate. |
| 20:48.20 | Cide | one sec |
| 20:49.06 | Cide | def setDefault(f): def inner(arg): if arg is None: return f() else: return f(arg) return inner |
| 20:49.21 | Cide | if it's in a class you need to include the self parameter |
| 20:49.49 | Cide | but then you can just do "@setDefault def foo(item=someList)" |
| 20:50.00 | Cide | and calling foo(None) will call foo() instead |
| 20:50.55 | alestane | For something I only need to do twice, it might be overkill. |
| 20:51.02 | Cide | yeah, probably |
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| 20:51.31 | Cide | behind the scenes "@someFunc def foo(...) ..." is equivalent to "def foo(...) foo = someFunc(foo)" |
| 20:51.36 | Cide | perhaps you knew that |
| 20:52.08 | alestane | I've been learning about decorators, you really need them for PyObjC. |
| 20:52.23 | Cide | ah |
| 20:52.45 | alestane | Python's limitations on anonymous functions are one of the few things that annoy me about it coming from Lua. |
| 20:53.07 | Cide | aye |
| 20:53.26 | alestane | You can define a full function by adding it to a namespace, or you can create an anonymous function, but only if it fits in one expression. |
| 20:53.43 | alestane | (Although what you can fit in a single Python expression is kind of insane.) |
| 20:53.53 | Cide | haha, indeed |
| 20:54.36 | Cide | you can do some magic to construct fake functions with some magic |
| 20:54.49 | Cide | but it more or less requires them to be defined as strings |
| 21:00.49 | Cide | I don't find that you need anonymous functions for much but the functional functions (map, filter, reduce), and then lambdas almost always suffice |
| 21:01.10 | Cide | generator expressions or list comprehensions do a lot of work for less trivial cases |
| 21:01.48 | Fisker | always bet on duke Cide |
| 21:02.14 | durcyn | p.s., fuck git-svn. |
| 21:02.24 | Cide | fuck git |
| 21:02.27 | Cide | it confuses me greatly |
| 21:02.39 | Cide | in fact most DVCS do |
| 21:03.29 | alestane | Blah, PyObjC has docstrings for its core funcitons, but they print out with "\n" embedded literally in the content, rather than printing actual newlines. |
| 21:03.48 | Cide | hmm? |
| 21:03.51 | Cide | how are you printing them? |
| 21:04.04 | TC-Work | in one big line |
| 21:04.06 | alestane | In the Python interpreter. |
| 21:04.10 | TC-Work | big big line |
| 21:04.13 | Amarande | why are you torturing yourself with abominations like objective C |
| 21:04.16 | Amarande | nobody uses objective C anymore :) |
| 21:04.22 | Cide | alestane: with what expression? |
| 21:04.27 | alestane | >>> objc.super.__doc__ |
| 21:04.27 | alestane | 'super(type) -> unbound super object\nsuper(type, obj) -> bound super object; requires isinstance(obj, type)\nsuper(type, type2) -> bound super object; requires issubclass(type2, type)\nTypical use to call a cooperative superclass method:\nclass C(B):\n def meth(self, arg):\n\t super(C, self).meth(arg)' |
| 21:04.31 | Cide | oh |
| 21:04.40 | Cide | use print(objc.super.__doc__) |
| 21:04.45 | Cide | or help(objc.super.__doc__) |
| 21:04.48 | Cide | err |
| 21:04.50 | Cide | or help(objc.super) |
| 21:05.06 | alestane | Indeed. |
| 21:05.41 | Cide | when the interpreter evaluates an expression it prints the repr() value of it |
| 21:05.57 | Cide | so you have to explicitly call print() to get it print-formatted |
| 21:07.10 | alestane | Tell that to the legions getting dragged into iOS development, Amarande. |
| 21:07.48 | NightHawkTheSane | or, you know, the still not-insigificant and quite profitable osx software business. |
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| 21:08.25 | Amarande | Night: I thought OSX used mostly C/C++ |
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| 21:08.38 | Amarande | especially with it being Unix based, I'd think that C would be the dominant language used. |
| 21:08.47 | NightHawkTheSane | er, yeah, welcome to like 10 years ago. |
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| 21:08.59 | alestane | Objective-C is C with extensions to support a runtime. |
| 21:09.15 | NightHawkTheSane | obj-c has been the primary language on OS X since it was nextstep, i think |
| 21:09.32 | NightHawkTheSane | you can get away with using other languages, sure |
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| 21:12.28 | durcyn | and of course once i get the repo working, netatalk's afp server blows up on one of the git temp file names. thanks for nothing, apple. |
| 21:12.28 | Kraps | i think its trying to communicate http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14469497835&sid=1 |
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| 21:13.23 | kd3|netbook | ...the hell? |
| 21:14.16 | Fisker | slaps kd3|netbook around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:15.52 | alestane | Cide, I'm amused that the docs actually say hasattr is basically implemented as "try: getattr(o, a) except: return False else: return True". |
| 21:16.14 | Cide | it is? interesting, heh |
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| 21:16.28 | alestane | "The arguments are an object and a string. The result is True if the string is the name of one of the objectâs attributes, False if not. (This is implemented by calling getattr(object, name) and seeing whether it raises an exception or not.)" |
| 21:16.29 | Cide | makes sense with all the different resolution methods |
| 21:16.55 | Cide | so it's shorthand for try: getattr(obj, name) except AttributeError: return False else: return True |
| 21:17.04 | Cide | that's nice |
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| 21:17.47 | Cide | it means you can use the proper idiom (asking for forgiveness rather than permission) without worrying about performance differences |
| 21:17.52 | durcyn | actually, before i get too deep into this nonsense, does wowi support any kind of repo syncing with github, perchance? |
| 21:35.54 | kd3|netbook | rofl at the new msft statement on OSS |
| 21:37.59 | Shirik | kd3|netbook? |
| 21:39.00 | kd3|netbook | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/082310-microsoft-open-source.html?hpg1=bn |
| 21:39.32 | DWSR | durcyn: No, but you can kludge something together, I'm sure. |
| 21:40.47 | Shirik | Paoli is the general manager of Microsoft's interoperability strategy team, which touches on some open source issues. A Microsoft veteran of 14 years, Paoli is also the co-creator of the XML specification. |
| 21:40.51 | Shirik | I instantly hate this guy |
| 21:40.59 | Cide | rofl |
| 21:41.02 | Kraps | the fox hunter pets look sexy |
| 21:41.09 | Cide | they should replace all xml with json |
| 21:41.11 | Cide | !! |
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| 21:41.16 | Shirik | no |
| 21:41.18 | Shirik | I will hurt you |
| 21:41.27 | kd3|netbook | ahaha |
| 21:42.06 | Cidan | rather json than xml |
| 21:42.15 | Cidan | No, maybe not. |
| 21:42.28 | Cidan | Shirik: wanna see something neat I've discovered? |
| 21:42.40 | Cidan | Shirik: http://raphaeljs.com/ |
| 21:42.41 | Shirik | Cidan: Only if you see something neat I've discovered |
| 21:42.48 | Cidan | look at the demos |
| 21:43.16 | Cidan | It's insanely nice; I've been abstracting it, adding WoW like functions, docking, windows, bars, etc. Using it at work. |
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| 21:43.58 | Shirik | ok that is actually pretty awesome |
| 21:45.10 | Shirik | ok wtf @ http://raphaeljs.com/scape/ |
| 21:46.01 | Cidan | awesome huh? |
| 21:46.23 | nicoli_s | thats pretty sweet |
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| 21:48.05 | durcyn | DWSR: the kludge is git-svn, which sucks. and apparently you still have to go into the bloody web interface to build zips from the repo |
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| 21:49.00 | durcyn | DWSR: which sucks, because as much as I like giving wowi users access to my (admittedly insignificant) addons, the site itself seems designed to make it as obnoxious as possible to do so |
| 21:49.01 | Cide | looks like a knockoff off jquery on top of canvas objects |
| 21:49.08 | Cide | too bad it's not propery jquery |
| 21:49.27 | Cide | looks pretty good though |
| 21:50.48 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:50.51 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 22:10.26 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/BestWorstAdvice/status/21945025459 |
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| 22:16.53 | alestane | Lunessa: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19907.html |
| 22:18.46 | Dashkal | http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/flake_by_silverbracelets13.jpg?w=549&h=473 |
| 22:21.33 | Shirik | also, I declare victory |
| 22:21.54 | Cide | I declare sorrow |
| 22:21.54 | Shirik | buying a starter set for 3 cards because it's guaranteed and cheaper than buying the cards separately = win |
| 22:24.47 | Amarande | Shirik you need to stop playing Yu-Gi-Oh |
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| 22:27.33 | Cide | and start playing sc2 with me |
| 22:30.24 | Shirik | no Amarande |
| 22:30.26 | Shirik | warcraft |
| 22:30.43 | Amarande | Cairenn :D |
| 22:30.46 | Shirik | Cairenn would totally play with me |
| 22:30.51 | Amarande | How's you today? |
| 22:30.58 | Cairenn | I is. You? |
| 22:31.05 | Amarande | I'm good. :) |
| 22:31.18 | Amarande | Anything fun going on? |
| 22:31.39 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXMpqf24XaM&feature=player_embedded |
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| 22:47.18 | Kraps | whats that freeware that lets you sort everything on your computer by size? |
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| 22:50.21 | Amarande | soooo ... anyone else think Anne Hathaway's makeup in Alice in Wonderland makes her look like an escapee from Scholomance? ;) |
| 22:52.05 | A-KO | http://nmap.org/favicon/ |
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| 22:58.56 | Synycyl | anyone know why using Hide() on a dynamically drawn and managed frame would hide the entire addon? |
| 22:59.05 | Synycyl | its a frame within the master frame |
| 22:59.11 | Legorol | what do you mean by "hide the addon" |
| 22:59.17 | Legorol | addons can't be hidden or shown, only frames can be |
| 22:59.35 | KarlKFI|work | A-KO: would be cooler if it had clickable links |
| 22:59.53 | Synycyl | The Master frame doesn't show up if I comment out the Hide() line for the internal frame the Parent frame doesn't show |
| 23:00.46 | Synycyl | its the parent frame of my addon |
| 23:01.08 | Synycyl | I can do a pastey for you if you want and I'll put in a comment for where the problematic line is |
| 23:02.57 | Synycyl | Legorol>> http://pastey.net/139940 |
| 23:03.12 | Lunessa | tiredly says "station." |
| 23:03.16 | Synycyl | the problematic line is in the SkillHelper_Bars function |
| 23:03.25 | Legorol | checking |
| 23:03.30 | Synycyl | line 83 |
| 23:04.37 | Synycyl | The jist of what I'm trying to do is detect an abandoned skill and hide the bar that represented it |
| 23:05.14 | Synycyl | that is an attempt to handle it from line 66 to line 87 |
| 23:06.42 | Kraps | sees Lunessa's station and says hi |
| 23:09.18 | Legorol | Synycyl: this probably has nothing to do with your problem, but on line 72, you seem to be comparing a staticBar (which is a frame) with testName (which is a string) |
| 23:09.46 | Legorol | that might be worth fixing anyway |
| 23:10.07 | Amarande | I'm presuming that attempting to compare two different data types always comes up FALSE? :) |
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| 23:10.30 | Legorol | correct |
| 23:10.56 | Synycyl | A valid point... 100% transparency on the Parent frame would make it appear... invisible... hrm |
| 23:11.00 | Amarande | and dammit, forty billion VOA 25 groups and no VOA 10's |
| 23:11.51 | Legorol | Synycyl: also, the logic of 66 to 79 seems to be broken or backwards |
| 23:11.52 | Cidan | I'm so bored. |
| 23:11.57 | kd3|netbook | oh by the way, new best quest ever: http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Welcome_to_the_Machine |
| 23:11.59 | Synycyl | so I need to find a way to get the frame name and compare it, but they all are created with no ID hrm |
| 23:12.26 | Cidan | Or the frame object it self |
| 23:13.04 | Synycyl | on 59 I'm setting the ID to nil aren't I? if I set the ID to the skillName that would work as a comparison would it not? |
| 23:13.12 | Legorol | looks like the flow of logic in 66 to 79 is such that abandoned will always end up true |
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| 23:13.23 | Legorol | no, you are setting the name of the frame to nil |
| 23:13.28 | Legorol | name and ID are not the same |
| 23:13.34 | Legorol | you never even give an ID |
| 23:13.40 | Lunessa | kd3: That quest name needs Pink Floyd music for backing. |
| 23:13.41 | Synycyl | Well name would work |
| 23:13.49 | Synycyl | as long as I have a string comparison |
| 23:13.53 | Amarande | Lunessa: references everywhere :) |
| 23:14.03 | Cidan | Synycyl: Make sure you set it to something unique, ie: myMod_skillname |
| 23:14.04 | Amarande | there's a cata one called Cities in Dust, apparently ... which I'm sure is from the Siouxsie song |
| 23:14.14 | Lunessa | Beta is frustrating me. Every toon crashes before login in complete. |
| 23:14.21 | Amarande | we're talking a game that referenced Nabokov once of all things, after all heh |
| 23:14.33 | Cidan | So I hear addons aren't enabled in beta, right? |
| 23:14.41 | Legorol | Synycyl: at the moment, the way lines 66 to 79 are coded, abandoned always ends up true, hence every staticBar always gets hidden |
| 23:14.48 | Synycyl | Cidan: I would pull the skillName for the Name |
| 23:14.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i've yet to actually get through the kelp forest quest chain on a single character yet :( |
| 23:15.04 | Amarande | Night: keep dying? |
| 23:15.08 | Synycyl | Legorol: reading the logic again |
| 23:15.11 | Legorol | you are not showing a single staticBar |
| 23:15.13 | NightHawkTheSane | what? no, i'm not bad |
| 23:15.13 | kd3|netbook | has leveled 3 toons through all of vashj'ir and two through hyjal |
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| 23:15.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i just keep hitting quest glitches |
| 23:15.34 | Legorol | well, it's a bit mroe weird actually |
| 23:15.43 | Legorol | the first time a staticBar is created, it's shown |
| 23:15.56 | Amarande | don't necessarily have to be bad from what I'm hearing of early zones in cata |
| 23:15.57 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I finished nearly all of that area. :) Unless it's changed. But I can't login at all right now. |
| 23:15.58 | Legorol | but on any subsequent call to SkillHelper_Bars with the same skillName, you hide the bar no matter what |
| 23:16.08 | Amarande | apparently the mob difficulty soars between northrend and cata zones |
| 23:16.19 | Amarande | even for similar level mobs |
| 23:16.29 | kd3|netbook | they scaled mobs blindly. that didn't exactly work all that well |
| 23:16.36 | kd3|netbook | got two-shot by a spell-caster |
| 23:16.39 | Synycyl | Legorol: Yeah thats what Cidan was pointing out... That i'm testing a Frame vs. a String so its going nowhere.... if the CreateFrame carries instead places a name with the skillName in it then I could test properly |
| 23:16.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa, kd3|netbook: my first toon somehow glitched, and can't complete the quest to get the mount. I could continue, but it'd suck. |
| 23:16.43 | Legorol | i'm afraid i have to go now, i couldn't work out why your parent frame is not showing, sorry |
| 23:16.53 | Legorol | good luck |
| 23:17.02 | Synycyl | no worries thanks for the help |
| 23:17.08 | NightHawkTheSane | my next character somehow glitched and a quest got replaced with an old one from wrath and now i can't continue the chain |
| 23:17.24 | kd3|netbook | ouch. your dice rolls have been unlucky |
| 23:17.26 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah. I need to redo them on a new toon. |
| 23:17.32 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3|netbook: indeed. :P |
| 23:17.40 | kd3|netbook | anyway, brb |
| 23:17.55 | NightHawkTheSane | so yeah, going to re-copy the toon, and give it a third try. |
| 23:18.18 | Lunessa | But right now (as of this am) login gets to 75% of loading and then CRASH. Doesn't matter which character I load. :( |
| 23:18.36 | NightHawkTheSane | but the pre-made warrior i'm goign through hyjal with is owrking out fine, thankfully |
| 23:18.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: :\ suck |
| 23:18.52 | Synycyl | Cidan: To check a frame name is it frame.name? |
| 23:19.13 | NightHawkTheSane | For a while that troll/goblin bug sucked, I couldn't log in with my troll shaman :P |
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| 23:20.47 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3|netbook: that quest looks pretty damn amusing :) |
| 23:21.02 | Dewin | That quest is awesome. |
| 23:21.10 | Dewin | I laughed at the old spice reference too. |
| 23:24.24 | kd3|netbook | in other news... wtf: http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/video:-i-675-crash-caught-on-tape |
| 23:27.35 | NightHawkTheSane | holy shit |
| 23:32.09 | Amarande | gah, one more voa group I can't join |
| 23:32.12 | Amarande | I need a 10 man, not a 25 |
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| 23:38.33 | Synycyl | how do I retrieve a Frame name with Lua? I tried myFrame[name] but that doesn't seem to work! |
| 23:39.33 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 23:39.39 | Amarande | I wonder if my gear is going to be good enough to solo shadow labs |
| 23:41.33 | Cidan | Synycyl: Sorry, I was in an instance. |
| 23:41.59 | Cidan | Synycyl: Are you using Lua or XML to make your frame? |
| 23:42.29 | Synycyl | The bars are made with Lua |
| 23:42.50 | Amarande | hmm, dk in average i240 DPS gear. am I going to get my ass handed to me in Sethekk or Shadow Labs? |
| 23:43.00 | Cidan | The easiest way is to just not lose reference to your frames; make a global, store them |
| 23:43.09 | Synycyl | made it so that the bars get a name now as its drawn and I want to test the name against the string testName |
| 23:43.30 | Xyphoid | soloing any BC normal instance should be trivial |
| 23:43.43 | Synycyl | I just need to pull the name from the frame data |
| 23:43.45 | Xyphoid | some of the heroics get a bit rougher |
| 23:44.02 | Cidan | local myFrames = {}; myFrames["MyName"] = CreateFrame(...); |
| 23:44.35 | Xyphoid | having a blood tank spec and gear to fall back on makes life a lot easier |
| 23:44.47 | Synycyl | I have that! |
| 23:45.10 | Synycyl | Cidan Ok so to pull the String name from the frame then? |
| 23:45.57 | Cidan | I'm not sure the string name gets stored with the frame, actually. |
| 23:46.19 | Cidan | Do you want to see if a name matches a frame? |
| 23:46.29 | Synycyl | yes |
| 23:46.50 | Cidan | if myFrame[myName] == frame then... |
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| 23:47.57 | Synycyl | However I am stumbling into a severe logic issue though... I have to recode the entire checker... It needs to be a seperate function and I have to store variables that track the previous skill list and the new list after a change... shoot... ok Well you've been a huge help... probably gonna lurk just in case I have more ?s |
| 23:48.45 | Cidan | h'ok. It's good that you're learning logic and flow, so you're on the right path. :D |
| 23:50.06 | Amarande | also |
| 23:50.08 | Amarande | am I just thinking it |
| 23:50.23 | Amarande | or are auchindoun instance mobs actually *squishier* than ones in strath and scholo? |
| 23:50.45 | Cidan | Like |
| 23:50.52 | Cidan | They make softer noises? |
| 23:50.56 | Cidan | Because if so, yes, I totally agree. |
| 23:51.39 | Synycyl | Sadly Cidan... I'm a freelance programmer with C, C++, VB, Perl, Python, JAVA, and most web scripting languages. Lua is just new to me... imagine my frustration discovering != in Lua is ~= lol (Not Equals) |
| 23:51.53 | Amarande | Cidan: like they actually die more easily than mobs in Strath |
| 23:53.06 | Cidan | Amarande: Oh, huh. Might be... I don't know. |
| 23:53.17 | Cidan | Synycyl: Oh, er. Well, hang in there, :D |
| 23:53.47 | Synycyl | Cidan: Its just different, but not so bad.. I think its the scattered documentation of the WoW API thats killing me really |
| 23:54.53 | Xyphoid | the nice thing about lua is that the manual is small enough that you can actually read it all |
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| 23:55.13 | Xyphoid | since i've been mostly doing php recently, that's lovely |
| 23:55.22 | Synycyl | Yeah I need to go print that dang thing out... I've tapped it many times but never really read it through |
| 23:56.03 | Cidan | Synycyl: Not really so scattered; Have you looked at the WoWWiki reference? |
| 23:56.24 | Synycyl | Xyphoid: agreed on the PHP manual lol... thats my primary server side scripting language... Currently working on a nice little portal system for clients using PHP, XML, and MySQL only... trying to eliminate most pure HTML |
| 23:56.28 | Cidan | Synycyl: Think of it like this |
| 23:56.34 | Cidan | Synycyl: http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 23:56.39 | Synycyl | Cidan: Yes I smack WoWWiki all the time |
| 23:56.54 | Cidan | Synycyl: That's globals, like in php, C, C++, though not Java because it sucks, :P |
| 23:56.58 | Wobin | Synycyl: also wowprogramming.com |
| 23:57.07 | Cidan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 23:57.14 | Cidan | That's methods to objects, like in C++ |
| 23:57.36 | Cidan | After you get the hang of that, easy as pie, learn globals, functions, if/then, loops, and you're done |
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| 23:59.47 | Synycyl | Good then... I have the most of it knocked out... |
| 23:59.54 | kd3|hate`net | winces |
