| 00:00.01 | Amarande | in BC, around 2.3 they basically made them NOT worth playing anymore |
| 00:00.03 | Dagmar | They give people badges for taking idiots through PUGs |
| 00:00.07 | DWSR | Jamash: I thought it was Bondage, Dominance, Slave and Master? |
| 00:00.14 | Amarande | No, DWSR |
| 00:00.16 | Dagmar | You can buy better gear with cash money now |
| 00:00.20 | Amarande | Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism |
| 00:00.42 | Dagmar | That fails the "does useful gear drop" test that is the reason loons are declaring Ulduar dead |
| 00:00.43 | Amarande | You really expected the resident hardcore Kushiel fan to not know this. ;) |
| 00:01.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: ehh the problem with Ulduar is that the gear drops are mostly not useful *AND* it's practically the longest raid in LK besides maybe ICC |
| 00:01.25 | Dagmar | They're quite useful. |
| 00:01.51 | Dagmar | The problem is the kiddies have been pounding higher level instances because 25-mans are easy mode |
| 00:02.10 | Dagmar | Of course, if you've already been pounding those you have more potent gear |
| 00:02.14 | Jamash | I wish they'd made ToC bigger and Ulduar smaller or something |
| 00:02.20 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm trying to think of something I could still use from Uld :) |
| 00:02.26 | Jamash | I still haven't finished Ulduar |
| 00:02.29 | Amarande | remember, I only have three slots left that have 200-219 gear |
| 00:02.34 | Dagmar | Amarande: Epic robot mounts |
| 00:02.42 | Amarande | heh yeah there's mimi's head |
| 00:02.53 | Dagmar | I htink I've got a 219 gun. |
| 00:03.02 | Dagmar | None of those fuckers in ICC will drop a better one for me |
| 00:03.13 | Dagmar | The tanking gun doesn't count. |
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| 00:04.36 | Jamash | Stakethrower is pretty cool |
| 00:04.59 | Jamash | although I prefer bows to guns |
| 00:05.08 | Tuller | you know, every time I see a new feature added to the cata beta, I go "oh great, now I have to make it movable" :P |
| 00:05.16 | Jamash | ha ha ha |
| 00:05.17 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 00:05.33 | Jamash | oh the woes of an addon dev |
| 00:05.37 | Amarande | oh SWEETNESS |
| 00:05.51 | Amarande | c'mon lana'thel drop the mdps neckpiece this run please drop it this run |
| 00:05.59 | Amarande | I have a virtually 100% chance of landing that for me if it drops this raid |
| 00:05.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: personally, I think you've got entirely the wrong approach to Ulduar and other just-below-max instances. |
| 00:06.12 | Amarande | there's only ONE other STR MDPS |
| 00:06.16 | Amarande | and he's already got a 264 neck |
| 00:06.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: What you need to do is like what I did with Karazhan. |
| 00:06.28 | Dagmar | Find the class that has the most gear envy with yours, and collect _their_ set. |
| 00:06.31 | Dagmar | Then wear it. |
| 00:06.43 | Dagmar | (when not engaging in combat of course) |
| 00:06.53 | Jamash | Dagmar: hahaha |
| 00:06.54 | Amarande | I suppose there might be a trinket or belt in Uld worth looking at |
| 00:07.00 | Amarande | still have a crappy darkmoon card and a 219 belt |
| 00:07.05 | Amarande | neck, I'm really gunning for lana'thel though |
| 00:07.12 | Dagmar | Jamash: Hunters look pretty good with 4-5 druid epics on |
| 00:07.14 | Amarande | and 226 necks don't seem to be much better than ancient pendant of arathor anyway |
| 00:07.27 | Jamash | Dagmar: nice |
| 00:07.29 | Amarande | Looked at the badge one - Rawr assesses it to give me +1.34 DPS over the one I have. |
| 00:07.38 | Amarande | Yeah ... I'm really gonna spend 19 badges for one DPS. |
| 00:07.43 | Dagmar | People would go "dwarf druid wft?" |
| 00:09.37 | Dagmar | It's a shame you can't buy cross-class gear with badges |
| 00:09.41 | Jamash | there's a warrior in my guild with a shaman set |
| 00:09.51 | Jamash | he likes wearing a kilt |
| 00:09.52 | Amarande | Dagmar, you wouldn't be able to equip it anyway ;) |
| 00:09.54 | Dagmar | Jamash: He's got the right idea. :) |
| 00:10.14 | Jamash | I used to have an awesome shaman set on me hunter for mend pet cheese |
| 00:10.14 | Dagmar | When your RP gear is also purpled out, you win at WoW, unconditionally. :) |
| 00:10.47 | Jamash | before they nerfed mend pet spellpower scaling :( |
| 00:11.11 | Dagmar | It was never meant to allow one hunter to have their pet tank Kazzak |
| 00:11.17 | Jamash | yes it was! |
| 00:11.19 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 00:11.31 | Jamash | nah it was the guy who soloed azuregos that did it |
| 00:11.41 | Amarande | heh |
| 00:11.46 | Amarande | you can probably solo azuregos *now* |
| 00:11.54 | Jamash | well yeah but this was at 60 |
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| 00:21.18 | Jamash | actually, looking at the video it was at 70 |
| 00:26.10 | Thunder_Child | ~wiki multifizichnyh |
| 00:27.45 | Shirik | ~~~~ |
| 00:27.46 | purl | ARGH!!! STOP IT shirik!!! |
| 00:28.02 | Thunder_Child | be nice Shirik |
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| 00:33.12 | Cide | why does purl do name.lower() |
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| 00:40.48 | Thunder_Child | because thats the way it was made? |
| 00:41.48 | Cide | ... |
| 00:41.51 | Cide | obviously |
| 00:41.54 | Cide | the question is *why* |
| 00:43.38 | Thunder_Child | so someones obnoxious name wouldnt be repeated? |
| 00:43.46 | Thunder_Child | but with out having to do regex crap |
| 00:43.47 | A-KO | http://www.geekosystem.com/futurama-prisoner-of-benda-theory/ |
| 00:43.48 | A-KO | interesting |
| 00:44.24 | Cide | Thunder_Child: it takes the name and adds lowercase? |
| 00:44.26 | Cide | err |
| 00:44.30 | Cide | it takes the name and converts it to lowercase |
| 00:44.40 | Cide | how does that prevent obnoxiousness |
| 00:44.52 | Thunder_Child | so it's kjgfselkfj309rp390ru instead of LFKEJFELKFNSLEAFKJNFLEKJNF8943948 |
| 00:44.59 | Thunder_Child | it's the little things |
| 00:45.05 | Thunder_Child | litteraly :p |
| 00:45.18 | Cide | ~lart FKEJFELKFNSLEAFKJNFLEKJNF8943948 |
| 00:45.19 | purl | follow's FKEJFELKFNSLEAFKJNFLEKJNF8943948 with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 00:45.22 | Cide | owned |
| 00:47.30 | Cide | inconsistency ftl |
| 00:56.45 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo ~~~~ |
| 00:56.45 | purl | ~~~~ -- created by Soraya_ <n=Soraya@pool-70-16-218-234.man.east.verizon.net> at Sat Aug 5 22:16:57 2006 (1477 days); it has been requested 28 times, last by Cide, 10m 18s ago. |
| 00:57.01 | Thunder_Child | Cide: ah, because all factiods do it but hard coded things do not |
| 00:57.21 | DWSR | ~~~~ |
| 00:57.22 | purl | ARGH!!! STOP IT dwsr!!! |
| 00:58.17 | Amarande | o.0 |
| 00:58.21 | Amarande | heroic lootship this time |
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| 01:28.03 | Kraps | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/desecration.png |
| 01:29.34 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 01:35.19 | Kraps | hey all, in depictions of space travel, is the apparent "blinking" of a ship from point A to point B called FTL? |
| 01:36.45 | Yssaril | Kraps: FTL = Faster Than Light |
| 01:39.04 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: depends how you look at it |
| 01:39.10 | Kraps | yeah, so do ships actually travel the distance or do they disappear at point A and appear at point B? |
| 01:39.21 | Thunder_Child | that would happen even if a ship was a C fractional |
| 01:39.23 | Yssaril | as such alot of scifi space travel is not true FTL but rather moving through a different space/dimension that is smaller than ours as such bypassing the whole speed of light problems |
| 01:39.25 | Thunder_Child | at* |
| 01:40.58 | Yssaril | and i don't know if i can actually remeber a spacetravel blinking from A to B without going through some medium C for some time (unless we are talking about teleportation but thats a different can of worms) |
| 01:42.02 | Thunder_Child | and even so you go through medium C |
| 01:43.08 | Thunder_Child | the closest thing to point A to point B with nothing inbetween would be an Einstein-Rosen Bridge |
| 01:44.20 | Kraps | i was just thinking, because in this series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation_Space , there is no FTL, only certain ships called lighthuggers that can accelerate to just below the speed of light |
| 01:45.13 | Thunder_Child | that's fail |
| 01:45.51 | Thunder_Child | a civ that travles at the speed of light is going to be obsolete before it gets anywhere. |
| 01:47.07 | Kraps | its not "at" you see :) |
| 01:47.52 | Mr_Rabies | is it possible to make the chat frame copy/pastable? |
| 01:48.19 | Yssaril | Kraps: anywhere close to speed of light is good enough to be come obsolete really fast |
| 01:48.37 | zenzelezz | the nitpicker in my wants to ask why you want to copy and paste the chat frame, Mr_Rabies |
| 01:48.55 | Mr_Rabies | like, the text people say/combat log type stuff |
| 01:49.19 | Mr_Rabies | mostly to secretly make fun of peoples' atrocious grammar |
| 01:49.33 | Kraps | Yssaril: why? |
| 01:49.46 | Yssaril | relativity :P |
| 01:49.54 | Mr_Rabies | if there's an addon that already lets me do that let me know please :D |
| 01:51.17 | Kraps | Yssaril: what would happen? |
| 01:52.07 | Yssaril | Kraps: the closer you get to light speed the slower time gets as such everyone else that decided to stay in place has alot more time to evolve/create new tech |
| 01:53.28 | Yssaril | Kraps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox |
| 02:03.25 | Kraps | there is a case in the book where a husband and wife got mistakenly separated, and by the time she realized what had happened, going back to him would have made him 40 years older than her |
| 02:04.10 | Wobin | http://larryfire.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/the-burger-king-pizza%C2%A0burger/ |
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| 02:35.49 | Adys | anyone with the beta client installed? |
| 02:36.31 | Adys | pokes kd3 |
| 02:36.31 | Iriel | Yes |
| 02:36.41 | Adys | Iriel: could you send me a md5sum of your exe? |
| 02:36.46 | Iriel | Though it's not being very well behaved right now |
| 02:36.47 | Adys | or sha1 whatever |
| 02:37.03 | Iriel | sure, give me a mo |
| 02:37.28 | kd3 | $ md5sum WoW.exe |
| 02:37.28 | kd3 | aaf1be1d22669025820c0d8f8f5f2d1b WoW.exe |
| 02:37.56 | Adys | grr. I get 3f9fe80d4ce3fafc69eb7a24d7f7f5a9 |
| 02:38.07 | Adys | kd3: any chance you can send me your exe? |
| 02:38.16 | kd3 | wipe out the cache folders (in ~/cata/ and ~/cata/Data/) |
| 02:38.21 | Adys | yah, did that |
| 02:38.24 | kd3 | huh. sec |
| 02:38.45 | Adys | my mage is still stuck in moonglade and I'm blaming it on wine corrupting my patch |
| 02:39.01 | kd3 | this patch was all kinds of broken |
| 02:39.06 | kd3 | even for native w32 folks |
| 02:39.07 | Adys | no kidding |
| 02:40.18 | Iriel | I can't enter the world without a crash |
| 02:40.23 | Iriel | MD5 (WoW.exe) = aaf1be1d22669025820c0d8f8f5f2d1b |
| 02:40.46 | Adys | i can enter anywhere fine, but my mage is still stuck on loading screen |
| 02:40.47 | Adys | :( |
| 02:41.05 | Iriel | It appears to stick on the loading screen for me but if i alt tab out it's actually crashed |
| 02:41.30 | Adys | Mine isn't crashed, i can trigger a disconnect still |
| 02:54.13 | A-KO | you know that'd be a pretty bad ass movie in 3D, Ghost in the Shell 2 |
| 02:54.33 | A-KO | the visual style really lends itself well to being massively abused by 3D tech :P |
| 02:57.50 | Shirik | Adys |
| 02:57.55 | Shirik | where is your partner in crime |
| 02:59.32 | Adys | amro? |
| 02:59.35 | Adys | sleeping |
| 03:00.02 | Adys | kd3: sent the exe? |
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| 03:00.36 | kd3 | sec; uploading 10 megs takes a while here |
| 03:00.48 | Adys | aye np |
| 03:05.13 | kd3 | ooh. nice line of red on the radar coming down I-75 |
| 03:05.22 | kd3 | waits for the inevitable power blink |
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| 03:25.25 | Amarande | gah, blood queen is a lot harder than we thought |
| 03:32.17 | kd3 | adys; sent. I had to tar up a zip to get past gmail's "no executables here" filter |
| 03:34.13 | Adys | cheers |
| 03:38.49 | Adys | that didnt solve it :/ |
| 03:45.55 | kd3 | ...the hell? a pacifist ogre? |
| 03:49.41 | Adys | kd3: where's char transfer page again? |
| 03:50.09 | kd3 | worldofwarcraft.com/beta-charcopy |
| 04:00.38 | Dagmar | kd3: The secret ingredient is trivial passwords on the zip file |
| 04:01.29 | Dagmar | I'd still be fairly impressed if it did it's usual syntax-searching magic and figured out you were sending the password in the email as well |
| 04:08.51 | Amarande | ... we wiped with 90,000 HP left on BQL |
| 04:08.53 | Amarande | gaaaaahhhhh |
| 04:09.31 | Dagmar | You'd better be running back from the graveyard or you're a bunch of pussies |
| 04:10.07 | Dagmar | If you got that close you can absolutely down her |
| 04:13.34 | Amarande | yeah we're about to make one more att |
| 04:13.47 | Amarande | hopefully we don't screw this up from demoralization though :( |
| 04:13.48 | Amarande | that's PAIN |
| 04:13.57 | Corrodias | demoralizing? that should be EXCITING! |
| 04:14.00 | Amarande | especially because lana is one of the few bosses that can help me in one equipment slot |
| 04:14.05 | Corrodias | "dude, if we hang on for three more seconds, we win" |
| 04:14.19 | Amarande | I felt bad that I didn't have a gem for the ring I got from Saurfang though |
| 04:14.23 | Dagmar | If you guys consider getting that close demoralizing, you really need to rethink why you're playing |
| 04:14.28 | Amarande | I keep wondering now if we'd have downed her if I'd had that little extra bit |
| 04:14.44 | Dagmar | Amarande: This is a numnbers game still, at it's core. |
| 04:14.46 | Dagmar | YES. |
| 04:15.00 | Amarande | am I going to have to start carring BCRs with me to every raid now :P |
| 04:15.05 | Dagmar | If you guys had kept kicking for another few seconds you would have downed her |
| 04:15.21 | Dagmar | Hell, I've seen Paladins solo the last 45 seconds of some boss fights in Naxx |
| 04:15.37 | Dagmar | The entire raid just freaking the fuck out over vent |
| 04:17.04 | Dagmar | Let's say that you alone were squeaking along at 4k dps. That's 22 seconds for you to magically not die and keep up DPS |
| 04:17.13 | Dagmar | Two of you turns that into 11 seconds. |
| 04:17.30 | Dagmar | Three of you turns it to 7.5 seconds. |
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| 04:19.59 | Corrodias | so does WoW have mounted combat yet? |
| 04:20.36 | Dagmar | Does hunters riding druids count? |
| 04:20.55 | Corrodias | only if they can fight from there |
| 04:21.09 | Amarande | wipe, ~ 40% |
| 04:21.15 | Amarande | problems with vampire bite |
| 04:21.28 | Dagmar | Either that or you were mostly naked |
| 04:22.17 | Dagmar | Bite management doesn't become optional there for a while |
| 04:22.40 | Dagmar | I'm not even sure it'd be optional for groups geared enough to get Kingslayer |
| 04:29.21 | kd3 | wow. easy TB rep now |
| 04:29.23 | kd3 | +1000/quest |
| 04:36.06 | Amarande | Dagmar: actually on the last run shit went wrong in general |
| 04:36.23 | Amarande | It was getting too near my time to bite, I was assigned to bite the TANK, and I got swarming shadows targeted on me |
| 04:36.37 | Amarande | go away from the tank? I'll end up MC and we die. go near the tank? SS will whomp all of us and we die |
| 04:38.56 | Corrodias | i guess you'd have to bite someone else, then? i don't know how this works, exactly. |
| 04:41.19 | Amarande | Corrodias: you get the vampire debuff |
| 04:41.32 | Amarande | then when/as it's about to end (I'm a bit foggy ... your action bar will change, anyways) |
| 04:41.39 | Amarande | your action bar changes to just a vampire bite command |
| 04:41.54 | Amarande | you have to find someone who DOES NOT ALREADY HAVE vampirism, and use that on them before your debuff runs out |
| 04:42.03 | Amarande | or you become super powerful pet of Lana'thel and basically you're screwed. |
| 04:42.21 | Amarande | that's why it all basically has to be planned out, so people know who to get near to in advance |
| 04:42.25 | Corrodias | interesting. okay. |
| 04:42.27 | Amarande | since you can't really waste time at all in the fight |
| 04:42.39 | Amarande | it's a short enrage timer and she has a shit ton of HP (14.2M even on 10 Normal) |
| 04:42.46 | Corrodias | i guess you need to have flexibility, then. |
| 04:42.53 | Corrodias | enrage timers, gotta love those |
| 04:43.07 | Corrodias | you have to have more than one option when that option is the tank. |
| 04:43.22 | Amarande | yeah, it's like a 5 1/4 minute timer for 14.2M on 10 Normal |
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| 04:43.36 | Amarande | Corrodias: you don't always, though, especially since I come late in the planned order we had |
| 04:43.44 | Amarande | see, you don't lose your vampirism when you bite |
| 04:43.47 | Amarande | you just reset the timer |
| 04:43.57 | Amarande | so EVERY X seconds you have to find someone new to bite who isn't already |
| 04:44.02 | Corrodias | shrugs |
| 04:44.09 | Corrodias | then you are going to wipe. |
| 04:44.13 | Amarande | eventually, the whole raid is vampires and then you have to get her down before the next need to bite or you're wiping. |
| 04:44.36 | Amarande | also the plans get touchy and keep requiring on the spot adjustment because of threat tables |
| 04:44.42 | Amarande | because of who she *initially* decides to bite |
| 04:44.46 | Amarande | (Lana'thel herself only picks one) |
| 04:44.50 | Corrodias | sounds challenging |
| 04:47.02 | Amarande | yeah, it is |
| 04:47.07 | Amarande | less complicated than blood princes though |
| 04:47.15 | Amarande | which we did down, so 7/12 for me now |
| 04:47.54 | Corrodias | well heck, that's less complicated than the tiger boss in ZG. |
| 04:48.02 | kd3 | ugh |
| 04:50.16 | airtonix | ok |
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| 05:15.29 | Dagmar | BQL doesn't even really need an enrage timer |
| 05:16.55 | Dagmar | It's either biting other people, or rolfstomping your group mates |
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| 05:42.33 | Amarande | so I'm 7/12 in ICC10 ... but basically have all the things I need to do down for 10/12 if I can get a good enough raid and a lack of bad luck |
| 05:42.50 | Amarande | the only ICC bosses I have not yet seen are Sindy and LK. |
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| 05:50.17 | airtonix | whats the point of "Sub" in visualbasic if you have "Function" ? |
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| 05:50.37 | airtonix | i mean why would i bother ? |
| 05:52.10 | Iriel | historical compatability? |
| 05:52.23 | Iriel | Basic had SUB's long before it had functions |
| 05:52.46 | airtonix | ok i know that subs don't return data |
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| 05:53.33 | airtonix | does that make them faster than functions ? |
| 05:53.56 | Iriel | I have no idea, you'd have to test it |
| 05:54.04 | Iriel | My point, however, was that VisualBasic is, in part, BASIC |
| 05:54.07 | Iriel | and BASIC has SUB |
| 05:54.08 | airtonix | ok |
| 05:54.30 | Iriel | You may be too young to remember the days when computers came with BASIC (and little else) |
| 05:54.38 | airtonix | no |
| 05:54.47 | airtonix | my first computer was a PSION handheld |
| 05:55.11 | airtonix | but i did use commodores a bit |
| 05:55.39 | airtonix | PSION had opl which was a bit like BASIC. |
| 05:57.03 | airtonix | i also finding it hard to resolve the concept that vb functions return data by assigning value(s) to a variable of the same name as the function |
| 05:57.16 | airtonix | personally that is |
| 05:59.59 | Dashkal | Esamynn: Still there? Sorry, somewhere after I pinged you I left to go play sc2 |
| 06:00.18 | Esamynn | what's up? |
| 06:00.24 | Dashkal | Just wanted to ask for a couple invites |
| 06:00.52 | Esamynn | sure |
| 06:01.18 | Dashkal | Esamynn: Gravsk and Savrine. Gravsk is zoning in now |
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| 06:32.59 | airtonix | How do people feel about Mono for iphone and android ? |
| 06:33.08 | airtonix | using c-sharp |
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| 07:35.26 | Dashkal | Out of my runeforging, not my sword |
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| 07:50.50 | Dashkal | Missing swordshattering too |
| 07:50.55 | Dashkal | And razorice |
| 07:51.15 | Dashkal | odd |
| 07:54.06 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 07:55.04 | nevcairiel | on beta or live? |
| 07:57.02 | Fisker | i must simply destroy airtonix |
| 07:57.55 | airtonix | destructo-man says no. |
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| 09:13.48 | Fisker | don't brainfreeze me airtonix |
| 09:17.06 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 09:17.07 | Wobin | Specialist Cogwheel says: ACK! Oh no, I webbed myself! It's sticky. MY HAIR! |
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| 10:07.25 | Adys | Dammit google. |
| 10:07.42 | Adys | Why is there no automatic spam filtering on google groups, when gmail has the best spam filter in the world? |
| 10:10.02 | Adys | By babe-with-huge-boobs-hard -sex - Aug 16 - 2 new of 2 messages - Reported thread |
| 10:10.03 | Adys | ....... |
| 10:10.17 | zenzelezz | dude, that's clearly on topic |
| 10:10.29 | nevcairiel | babes with huge boobs are every off-topic? |
| 10:10.33 | nevcairiel | *ever |
| 10:11.43 | Adys | nevcairiel: you running chromium dev? |
| 10:12.06 | nevcairiel | chrome dev |
| 10:12.14 | Adys | er yeah |
| 10:12.16 | Adys | wtf |
| 10:12.20 | Adys | Tuesday, August 17, 2010 | 15:48 |
| 10:12.20 | Adys | The Dev channel has been updated to 6.0.495.0 for all platforms. |
| 10:12.48 | Adys | i havent run apt-get in ... 3 weeks |
| 10:12.48 | zenzelezz | "Queen Azshara, overwhelmed by the terrible ecstasy of her magic, fell victim to Sargeras' undeniable power and agreed to grant him access to her [up until here it sounds like a drug/sex story] world [doh :(]" |
| 10:12.52 | Adys | how |
| 10:12.59 | Adys | HOW am i running the most recent dev channel |
| 10:13.06 | Adys | google what are you doing to my computer. |
| 10:13.16 | nevcairiel | maybe linux got autoupdate now too |
| 10:13.16 | Arrowmaster | Adys: it installed a cron script |
| 10:13.31 | Arrowmaster | do you ever actually check what the software you use does? |
| 10:14.05 | Arrowmaster | it put a daily cron script on your system from what i remember that updates it every day |
| 10:14.11 | Adys | the only other linux software i know of that has autoupdate is vlc, and that's because it's windows software |
| 10:14.24 | Adys | and afaik it doesn't work |
| 10:14.49 | Arrowmaster | <Adys> vlc doesn't work <-- fixed |
| 10:14.52 | Adys | but that's neat. i just assumed autoupdate on linux didn't work either |
| 10:14.58 | Adys | vlc works fine |
| 10:15.08 | Adys | which reminds me i need to recompile it |
| 10:15.26 | zenzelezz | I generally like VLC, but I'm confused about how it'll randomly break features on minor updates |
| 10:15.37 | Adys | such as? |
| 10:16.16 | Arrowmaster | my debian system came with a cron script to run aptitide update daily so it knows if there is new software, im shocked your ubuntu system doesnt have the same |
| 10:16.20 | nevcairiel | I'm more of a mplayer guy |
| 10:16.22 | zenzelezz | 1.1.1: "Add Folder" works fine. 1.1.2: breaks, gives DIR_SEP_CHAR error on path[0]. 1.1.3: "fixed", no longer shows error, but doesn't add. Nightly: works again |
| 10:17.03 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: mplayer randomly breaks stuff too, but at least it can decode video properly |
| 10:17.34 | zenzelezz | doesn't mplayer and VLC both use ffmpeg deep down? Or am I utterly misremembering |
| 10:17.40 | Arrowmaster | they do |
| 10:18.00 | Arrowmaster | but somehow VLC manages to create a player that cant properly decode h264 |
| 10:18.18 | Arrowmaster | you should have seen it around version 0.9 |
| 10:18.25 | Dashkal | Oh what fun. The maelstrom is a kill zone. |
| 10:18.28 | Arrowmaster | broken to all hell |
| 10:18.28 | zenzelezz | screw h264, we all know we only need FLV and WMV for our porn needs |
| 10:18.51 | Adys | here's what i know for a fact |
| 10:19.04 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: but ive got HD porn in h264 |
| 10:19.21 | Adys | every single time i tried to use ANY video player on some random format or broken file, that failed to read the file |
| 10:19.21 | zenzelezz | well that changes everything! |
| 10:19.25 | Adys | showing a nice error or what not |
| 10:19.33 | Adys | vlc was able to read it at least somewhat properly |
| 10:20.18 | Arrowmaster | Adys: and thats probably part of the reason vlc cant play back a non broken file without barfing all over the output |
| 10:20.31 | Adys | I *never* had this issue |
| 10:20.44 | Adys | and more over, I never saw ANYONE have this issue |
| 10:20.49 | Adys | actually |
| 10:20.57 | Adys | link me a torrent or whatever with this kind of broken files |
| 10:20.57 | zenzelezz | I was so happy when VLC switched from wxWidgets to Qt... finally I could keep the playlist window open without VLC crashing |
| 10:20.58 | Adys | I'm curious |
| 10:21.04 | Adys | zenzelezz: qt++ |
| 10:21.15 | Adys | pgadmin3 is my last wx app |
| 10:21.15 | Adys | :( |
| 10:21.51 | Adys | also the other thing with vlc, its record feature is broken |
| 10:22.04 | Fisker | apt-get sounds ubuntu-y Adys |
| 10:22.06 | Fisker | that or debiany |
| 10:22.28 | Fisker | if i had the mental capacity and metal focus required to setup gentoo i could've looked down on you |
| 10:22.31 | Arrowmaster | i really wish the image linked in this post still existed, i remember it and it was fucking hilariously broken http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1910683#post1910683 |
| 10:22.35 | mikma | is it just me or is the floating combat text bugged like hell |
| 10:23.56 | Adys | 2008-09-18, 10:01 |
| 10:23.59 | Adys | fucking seriously dude |
| 10:24.04 | Adys | chrome was broken too in 2008 |
| 10:24.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah but if you would have seen the image |
| 10:24.18 | mikma | why can't i see the damage i deal |
| 10:24.26 | Fisker | been like that since last patch |
| 10:24.29 | Adys | im pretty sure you linked this before and ive seen the image |
| 10:24.59 | Adys | but seriously |
| 10:25.10 | Adys | link me a file you're not able to play back |
| 10:25.41 | Arrowmaster | if you talk to any of the really knowledgeable video encoders in different scenes and youll pretty much unanimously hear that vlc is fucking broken to all hell in some way or another |
| 10:25.58 | Adys | I don't fucking want to know about that |
| 10:25.59 | Arrowmaster | i cant Adys, i dont have vlc on my system and never will |
| 10:26.02 | Adys | I wan't a bloody file I can't play |
| 10:26.12 | Arrowmaster | so i cant test a file for you |
| 10:26.22 | Adys | i don't care if a horde of a thousand zealots tell me vlc is broken, I want to see that for myself |
| 10:26.55 | Arrowmaster | did they ever fix the subtitle comments issue in vlc? |
| 10:27.07 | Arrowmaster | guessing they did |
| 10:27.15 | Adys | you asked that almost a year ago, i already said they did back then |
| 10:27.42 | Adys | also afk |
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| 10:30.12 | Ycarene | will setting gxapi to gll work in the windows implementation of wow? |
| 10:30.51 | Arrowmaster | gll? |
| 10:31.24 | Adys | gll is mac os x |
| 10:31.30 | Adys | it wont work on windows |
| 10:31.42 | Adys | Arrowmaster: some new gxapi on mac os from 3.3ish |
| 10:31.52 | Adys | afkforreal |
| 10:33.10 | Ycarene | Hmm, ok, so for performace I'm probably stuck with opengl then. |
| 10:43.01 | Arrowmaster | gll is probably still opengl |
| 10:43.12 | Arrowmaster | since that is the only graphics api on mac |
| 10:44.19 | Ycarene | Oh, wow, it DOES work under the windows version, though I think it's only running because I'm actually using wine. |
| 10:44.46 | Arrowmaster | are you sure its working and not just falling back to something else because its unrecognized? |
| 10:45.20 | Ycarene | fallback is d3d9, and it's not that because I don't have hardware cursor. |
| 10:45.39 | Ycarene | It probably fails in windows because most windows drivers lack a complete opengl implementation. |
| 10:46.05 | Adys | Ycarene: fallback to opengl is gll |
| 10:46.06 | Adys | er |
| 10:46.09 | Adys | fallback to gll is opengl |
| 10:46.25 | Ycarene | Hmm |
| 10:46.31 | Adys | it doesn't work under the windows version because it's not compiled in, period |
| 10:47.23 | Ycarene | Well, crap, that spoils my fun. |
| 10:51.00 | Adys | Ycarene: gll is opengl with proprietary apple extensions |
| 10:51.22 | zenzelezz | is that like wgl and glx? |
| 10:51.34 | Ycarene | Ahh, ok. |
| 10:52.31 | airtonix | why is vlc broken ? |
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| 11:05.43 | zenzelezz | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/08/21/236259/Argentine-Government-Orders-Major-ISP-To-Close |
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| 11:08.09 | harl | hi |
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| 11:30.13 | airtonix | fisker |
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| 11:42.36 | Fisker | airtonixer |
| 11:42.42 | Fisker | you are a bitch |
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| 12:20.35 | minona | i wanted to install the cataclysm beta on my mac. I've used the online installer to install wotlk earlier. The Beta installer asks me to insert a gamedisc, which i dont have. What can i do to install the beta? |
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| 12:22.08 | airtonix | make a youtube video about it |
| 12:22.21 | airtonix | today we're going to play battlenet |
| 12:33.36 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
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| 13:28.42 | Kraps | morning |
| 13:29.22 | mikma | i feel like whining. |
| 13:29.26 | mikma | what the fuck blizzard. |
| 13:29.30 | mikma | that is all :) |
| 13:30.10 | Kraps | swell |
| 13:34.06 | Shirik | Kraps: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate_change/Proposed_decision&diff=prev&oldid=380300292 |
| 13:37.27 | Shirik | gotta go |
| 13:37.33 | Kraps | A+ for effort? |
| 13:37.53 | p3lim | lua> GetTime() |
| 13:38.00 | Kraps | it was pretty funny |
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| 13:38.16 | p3lim | or perhaps that function is within wow.. |
| 13:38.40 | alestane | Which function? |
| 13:40.16 | Fisker | i am awesome Shirik |
| 13:40.20 | Fisker | you are not awesome Shirik |
| 13:40.23 | Fisker | a |
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| 13:40.55 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 13:40.57 | Kraps | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/world/europe/23wikileaks.html |
| 13:41.16 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 13:41.24 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 13:41.56 | Fisker | nothing like silencing political opposition with wrongful accusations |
| 13:43.54 | mikma | kraps: does the article also tell that he has been released cause there haven't been any rape he's involved with? |
| 13:44.08 | Kraps | yeah |
| 13:44.29 | Kraps | i think |
| 13:48.30 | Cide | hmm |
| 13:48.42 | alestane | python |
| 13:48.47 | alestane | mt |
| 13:49.04 | Fisker | well he hasn't been "caught" mikma |
| 13:49.09 | Fisker | but the charges of rape are dropped |
| 13:49.20 | Cide | SQL time |
| 13:49.22 | Fisker | but they still maintain that he violent, etc. |
| 13:49.52 | Cide | I have a set of keys, and a table with (key, "value") pairs |
| 13:50.20 | Cide | (key, "value") being the unique key |
| 13:50.54 | Cide | now, I want to find all "value"'s for which there are (key, "value") pairs for all keys in the set |
| 13:51.03 | Cide | easily doable in sql? |
| 13:51.11 | Cide | s/easily/efficiently/ |
| 13:51.20 | Cide | I'm thinking something like |
| 13:52.24 | Cide | SELECT DISTINCT value FROM table WHERE key IN (key1, key2, ..., keyN) GROUP BY value HAVING COUNT(value) = N |
| 13:52.34 | Cide | is that even valid? |
| 13:52.36 | mikma | blizz should release wotlk-release -> latest -patch. one big file containing all. |
| 13:53.33 | alestane | I believe they do occasionally consolidate their incremental patches, usually when they come out with major versions. |
| 13:53.44 | alestane | major in this case being the second place. |
| 13:54.31 | mikma | i would have been happy with release -> 3.3.0 patch, too, but they don't exist |
| 13:55.36 | augustl | hire google to implement binary diffing chrome type patching :) |
| 13:57.17 | Cide | don't think that would help much? |
| 13:57.55 | Cide | now get back to my sql |
| 13:59.43 | alestane | I think I wrote two queries in SQL ten years ago. |
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| 14:23.30 | Cide | well that's not useful! |
| 14:23.35 | Cide | btw, what are you using python for alestane? |
| 14:23.40 | Cide | or are you just learning it for no specific purpose? |
| 14:23.53 | alestane | I'm developing a GUI editor for my Lua game shell. |
| 14:24.09 | Cide | neat |
| 14:24.29 | Cide | in pure python or with, say, qt? |
| 14:24.47 | alestane | So I thought it might be easier to write the code editor in Python-Cocoa than in Objective-C. |
| 14:24.55 | Cide | ah |
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| 14:38.57 | alestane | Also, Cide, there's a good chance I'm teaching an Intro to Programming course next quarter, and code examples are supposed to be presented in either Python or VB. |
| 14:43.53 | alestane | So brushing up on general style etc. seemed like a good idea. |
| 14:44.23 | haste | sounds like you really need to spend some time deciding on which language to use! |
| 14:44.40 | Cide | indeed |
| 14:45.05 | alestane | For the course? I'm planning to avoid VB as much as possible. |
| 14:45.16 | haste | yeah, that was pretty much obvious :P |
| 14:45.57 | alestane | Of course, I'm also planning to avoid the lab manual as much as possible. |
| 14:46.09 | haste | "so, you have the choice between VB and pyt.." "I'll take python" |
| 14:46.13 | Cide | that's like saying "you get to deliver flowers. choose between roses and rafflesia" |
| 14:46.19 | Cide | http://www.parasiticplants.siu.edu/Rafflesiaceae/Raff.arn.page.html |
| 14:46.27 | alestane | The best thing I can say about it is that the pages are perforated. |
| 14:46.41 | haste | that's a cool plan tho' Cide |
| 14:46.44 | Cide | "so , you have to choose between VB and ..." "I'll take the latter" |
| 14:46.50 | alestane | This makes converting them into firestarters or paper airplanes much easier. |
| 14:47.07 | alestane | Either of which is a far better application than, say, reading them. |
| 14:48.33 | alestane | Do NOT introduce reference parameters in the second chapter so that you can teach the students about using constructs like "getSales(totalSales)" because it's easier to understand than using return values. |
| 14:50.09 | alestane | That plant looks more like something from an alien ecology than a typical flower. |
| 14:52.43 | Cide | I don't get it |
| 14:52.51 | Cide | is it preferable to call getSales() and pass in a reference? |
| 14:52.54 | Cide | because that sounds fucking stupid |
| 14:53.14 | alestane | It looks like you should under no circumstances stick any part of your body inside that flower, because it will close up and devour it whole. |
| 14:53.31 | Cide | indeed |
| 14:53.59 | alestane | That's the model they use in pseudocode for their examples, Cide. They can't really do it in the concrete Python examples because Python doesn't really support the idea of passing by reference. |
| 14:57.11 | Cide | class Reference(object): def __init__(self, value): self._value = value def __get__(self, obj): return self._value def __set__(self, obj, value): self._value = value |
| 14:57.26 | Cide | total_sales = Reference(0) get_sales(total_sales) |
| 14:57.29 | Cide | vomits |
| 14:57.36 | Spejnar | anyone using the XML tools for NPP and know if there is a way to actually show which row is "wrong"? Right now it complains about one "Anchors" not being expected but not which one |
| 14:59.00 | Spejnar | nm I accidentally the whole error |
| 14:59.06 | alestane | Right, Cide. Don't use a function which takes one reference parameter, doesn't use the initial value, and sets the reference contents to some determined value on exit, when you could just RETURN THE FRIGGIN' VALUE. |
| 14:59.25 | alestane | totalSales = getSales() |
| 14:59.53 | Cide | indeed |
| 15:00.42 | alestane | The guy teaching the course this quarter has a strong background in COBOL and VB, but is new to Python. |
| 15:01.17 | alestane | SOme of the students asked me to stop in and help the class debug their overtime calculator because they weren't sure they were using "global" correctly. |
| 15:01.41 | alestane | "Okay, that's the first sign of a problem. |
| 15:01.56 | alestane | "You're using 'global'." |
| 15:03.09 | alestane | The teacher was trying to write the routine so that you fed it a total-hours argument and it populated globals with the overtime hours, regular hours, total pay, etc. |
| 15:04.43 | alestane | Made me want to check my calendar and make sure we hadn't accidentally slipped back into 1987. |
| 15:06.16 | Cide | yeah |
| 15:06.25 | Cide | sadly I had to do a similar thing two days ago |
| 15:06.29 | augustl | alestane: that would have been a super accident! |
| 15:06.34 | augustl | "whoops" |
| 15:06.56 | Cide | python's xml.parsers.expat parses xml files by passing in handlers for start of element, end of element, element data |
| 15:07.18 | alestane | I basically tried to show him that you should at least populate a dictionary with the data in question. |
| 15:07.21 | Cide | but the handlers only get information about the element, no parser state :( |
| 15:07.42 | Cide | or parser reference rather |
| 15:14.32 | Cide | which I now solved ^_^ |
| 15:14.46 | alestane | "I presume they understand that if you program a perfect Intel emulator, you don't suddenly get Halo: Reach for free, as an emergent property of the system. You can buy the code and add it to the system, sure, but in this case, we can't run down to GameStop and buy a DVD with the human OS in it and install it on our artificial brain. You're going to have to do the hard work of figuring out how that works and reverse e |
| 15:14.46 | alestane | ngineering it, as well. And understanding how the processor works is necessary to do that, but not sufficient." |
| 15:18.26 | Cide | umad? |
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| 15:22.32 | Cide | django is so great |
| 15:24.49 | alestane | What is Django, exaclty? I guess it's some application of Python? |
| 15:25.10 | nevcairiel | its a web framework |
| 15:26.07 | Cide | yep |
| 15:26.29 | Cide | it provides utilities for fast iteration and development of web applications |
| 15:27.06 | Cide | by providing an ORM, better handling of forms, file uploads, templates, MVC-design, etc |
| 15:30.45 | Cide | it's imo excellently designed |
| 15:45.20 | Spejnar | Is there any diff from using MyFrame:Show() vs ShowUIPanel(MyFrame) ? Im using this for my SlashCmdList for showing/hiding |
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| 15:58.40 | EDI | Channel locked temporarily. Time since last lockdown (in minutes): 11487 minutes |
| 15:58.56 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: |
| 16:02.59 | Cide | haha |
| 16:02.59 | Fisker | this is awesome? |
| 16:03.04 | Cide | fucking rikai |
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| 16:03.15 | Cide | that's enough fisker |
| 16:03.25 | Fisker | i guess it won't make it stop the lockdown |
| 16:03.28 | Cide | Shadowed: dolby Shirik ckknight Cairenn|afk ping |
| 16:03.31 | Fisker | but it's good to know for the future |
| 16:03.40 | ckknight | hey Cide |
| 16:03.42 | Cide | ban rikai and unlock the channel |
| 16:03.56 | Fisker | ban Cide |
| 16:04.04 | Cide | and optionally ban fisker |
| 16:04.04 | Fisker | rikai is totally innocent |
| 16:04.45 | ckknight | did rikai spam or something? |
| 16:05.01 | Cide | his connection seems unstable |
| 16:05.13 | Cide | he quit and reconnected like 10 times |
| 16:05.21 | ckknight | seems fine now |
| 16:05.28 | nevcairiel | the bot stopped it |
| 16:06.19 | Cide | yeah |
| 16:06.19 | nevcairiel | its not like its a big lockdown, just the non-authed are screwed |
| 16:06.36 | Cide | if you try to join without authenticating you end up in #shiibot |
| 16:06.47 | nevcairiel | horrible place to be, i admit |
| 16:06.49 | haste | the non-authed are generally those who want help tho' :P |
| 16:06.51 | Cide | indeed |
| 16:07.23 | haste | in related news, font handling on linux is such a PITA |
| 16:07.24 | Fisker | basically ckknight |
| 16:07.37 | nevcairiel | haste: thats news? |
| 16:07.37 | ckknight | http://www.lazypalace.com/magic-called-photoshop-ugly-girls-made-beutiful/ |
| 16:07.38 | Cide | just do -r, -q, -f |
| 16:07.43 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 16:07.57 | Fisker | /mode #wowuidev -rqf |
| 16:07.58 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Cide] by ckknight |
| 16:08.01 | haste | nevcairiel: not really, but I managed to make my firefox fonts awesome, but now my terminal fonts suck |
| 16:08.04 | Fisker | you fucking suck at irc ckknight |
| 16:08.04 | ckknight | deop yourself when you're done, Cide |
| 16:08.05 | Fisker | op me |
| 16:08.07 | Fisker | op me |
| 16:08.10 | haste | nevcairiel: and writing if's with XML... is shit |
| 16:08.11 | Fisker | OPMEOPMEOPME |
| 16:08.14 | ckknight | no |
| 16:08.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-r] by Cide |
| 16:08.21 | Fisker | lol Cide |
| 16:08.22 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-f] by Cide |
| 16:08.24 | Fisker | lol Cide |
| 16:08.29 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Fisker] by ckknight |
| 16:08.34 | Fisker | :( ckknight |
| 16:08.38 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q $~a] by Cide |
| 16:08.41 | Fisker | lol Cide |
| 16:08.49 | nevcairiel | ban Fisker while you're at it |
| 16:08.55 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 16:09.04 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+b *!*n_a@*.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk] by Cide |
| 16:09.09 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Fisker!~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se] by Cide (Fisker) |
| 16:09.16 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:09.18 | nevcairiel | the bot crashed |
| 16:09.19 | Adys | gfg |
| 16:09.22 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-b *!*n_a@*.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk] by Cide |
| 16:09.26 | haste | haha |
| 16:09.27 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o Cide] by Cide |
| 16:09.31 | Cide | always wanted to do that |
| 16:09.36 | Adys | ~eir-- |
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| 16:09.43 | Cide | haha |
| 16:09.45 | Fisker | you bloody traitor Cide, i'll have your head for this |
| 16:09.51 | Cide | eir overheated |
| 16:09.58 | Wobin | http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/08/how-to-make-justin-bieber-sound-incredible/ |
| 16:10.00 | Cide | Fisker getting banned was too much |
| 16:10.01 | Fisker | now why would you go ahead and unban me? |
| 16:10.03 | Wobin | that, is awesome |
| 16:10.07 | haste | I Cide banning Fisker broke it! |
| 16:10.08 | Adys | its old |
| 16:10.10 | Adys | without clicking |
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| 16:10.30 | Cide | * Cide sets ban on *!*n_a@*.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk -eir/#wowuidev- I have suffered a terrible failure. (Perl call raised error: Script used too much running time at modules/perl/lib/init.pl line 108. |
| 16:10.30 | Cide | <nevcairiel> lol |
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| 16:10.37 | Cide | ... |
| 16:10.37 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rqf $~a #shiibot] by EDI |
| 16:10.37 | EDI | Channel locked temporarily. Time since last lockdown (in minutes): 12 minutes |
| 16:10.39 | `-FISKER_Q\ | xD |
| 16:10.41 | Cide | fucking idiot |
| 16:10.44 | nevcairiel | you should ban him for good |
| 16:10.52 | `-FISKER_Q\ | rikai would've done it anyway |
| 16:10.55 | Cide | s/for/for the greater/ |
| 16:11.31 | Fisker | don't be a player hater Cide |
| 16:12.25 | Adys | btw Wobin |
| 16:12.27 | Adys | http://audioboo.fm/boos/168021-echoes-across-the-astral-wastelands-speed-up |
| 16:12.31 | Adys | counter hoaxes ftw? |
| 16:12.31 | Adys | :p |
| 16:12.45 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 16:13.09 | Wobin | (read the 'update' on that page |
| 16:13.10 | Wobin | ) |
| 16:13.20 | Adys | told you i didnt click |
| 16:13.31 | Wobin | no you didn't |
| 16:13.41 | Adys | or maybe |
| 16:13.54 | Adys | JB released a triple-counter-hoax |
| 16:14.01 | Adys | WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT |
| 16:17.39 | Wobin | He sings really slow |
| 16:17.51 | Wobin | also, that is the first JB song I have ever heard |
| 16:19.28 | Adys | me too |
| 16:19.42 | Adys | maybe if people stopped crapping all their braincells over twitter every second of their life, they'd hear JB less, or would have less time complaining |
| 16:22.37 | Fisker | pictures of naked underage children Wobin |
| 16:23.22 | Fisker | the evidence is piling up Wobin |
| 16:24.29 | Wobin | You'd better hide in Sweden |
| 16:24.36 | Wobin | They'll never catch you there |
| 16:25.08 | Wobin | or they'll randomly accuse you or rape and molestation |
| 16:26.02 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/wikileaks-boss-caught-in-dirty-tricks-row-20100822-13atf.html |
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| 16:28.29 | Fisker | old Wobin |
| 16:28.43 | Wobin | it's the white hair |
| 16:28.47 | Wobin | he's not actually that old |
| 16:29.21 | Fisker | well played |
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| 16:29.33 | Wobin | night all |
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| 16:35.54 | nevcairiel | night wobster |
| 16:41.52 | Fisker | night all |
| 16:43.27 | nevcairiel | liar |
| 16:43.37 | Kraps | faces |
| 16:43.57 | Fisker | so you hate me nevcairiel |
| 16:44.01 | Fisker | now i have proof |
| 16:44.08 | nevcairiel | You could've just asked |
| 16:44.14 | Fisker | oh |
| 16:44.30 | haste | downloading 80M at 20KB/s |
| 16:44.46 | nevcairiel | its like downloading 800m at 200kb |
| 16:44.55 | haste | yes! |
| 16:45.11 | nevcairiel | http://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/ |
| 16:45.56 | haste | too bad it's not over wifi! |
| 16:46.21 | Fisker | those don't sound very scientific nevcairiel |
| 16:46.30 | nevcairiel | but numbers don't lie |
| 16:47.43 | haste | oooh |
| 16:47.45 | haste | GCC 4.5.1 |
| 16:47.52 | haste | this is going to be interesting~ |
| 16:48.43 | Fisker | no |
| 16:48.51 | Fisker | version numbers are infact very dull |
| 16:49.52 | alestane | One thing I do adore about Python, Cide, is the else: clauses on loops...while the keyword is slightly odd, that execution path has been very useful. |
| 16:50.06 | nevcairiel | indeed it is |
| 16:51.25 | Fisker | oh my |
| 16:51.37 | Fisker | there are 2 gold sellers advertising with corpses here :D |
| 16:55.20 | Cide | alestane: aye |
| 16:56.12 | Cide | I also like it on try except |
| 16:56.18 | alestane | That too. |
| 16:56.51 | Cide | because it allows you to easily isolate the code for which you expect the exception to be raised as opposed to catching accidental exceptions |
| 16:56.58 | alestane | But I remember situations where I had to store a variable across a loop and set it right before any breaks to control code execution afterward. |
| 16:57.39 | Cide | yeah |
| 16:57.52 | Cide | usually for breaking out of multiple loops, but else: doesn't really help with that sadly |
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| 17:16.37 | rikai | Fisker: what would i have done? O.o |
| 17:16.37 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-rf] by EDI |
| 17:17.51 | Cide | you reconnected about 500 times |
| 17:18.13 | Cide | * rikai (~rikai@unaffiliated/rikai) has joined #wowuidev * rikai_ (~rikai@cpe-184-153-144-194.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #wowuidev * rikai_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) * rikai has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 17:18.13 | Cide | etc |
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| 17:18.59 | rikai | That must have been when my irc client broke and went completely retarded... apologies if it spammed the channel much. :/ |
| 17:20.20 | Thunder_Child | dont worry, it's all Shirik's fault |
| 17:20.28 | cogwheel | so i finally played a practice round in SC2... the other player quit as soon as he scouted my army -_- i guess i don't suck as much as i thought :P |
| 17:26.47 | Cide | or maybe he thought you weren't worth spending practice time on |
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| 17:33.34 | Shadowed | Cide pong? |
| 17:35.07 | Adys | pangs Shadowed |
| 17:35.46 | Cide | nvm now |
| 17:35.53 | Cide | shiibot locked the channel |
| 17:38.32 | augustl | cogwheel: the beauty of sc2 matchmaking! |
| 17:38.48 | augustl | believe it or not, there are always worse players than yourself |
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| 17:42.44 | cogwheel | Cide: the replay would suggest i was right... he wasn't even setting rally points for his workers -_- |
| 17:42.56 | Cide | ouch |
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| 17:49.38 | Dagmar | cogwheel: That's so unfair to pigeonhole those poor people as "vespene gassers" or "crystal miners" before anyone's even so much as looked at their resumes |
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| 18:31.48 | Mr_Rabies | what's a good random mount/pet addon? I use gogomount currently but I'd like to be able to blacklist certain mounts |
| 18:33.11 | alestane | Livestock seems pretty good. |
| 18:34.01 | Mr_Rabies | it's so hard to find addons to do what i want anymore, for some reason |
| 18:35.45 | Mr_Rabies | i guess a lot of folks have either quit updating their addons or quit playing wow altogether |
| 18:46.29 | Mr_Rabies | you know, now that i think of it, either last blizzcon or a couple blizzcons ago blizzard was talking about making a tool that made addon creation super-easy. whatever happened to that? |
| 18:46.50 | Cide | it's called a text editor and everyone has one |
| 18:47.11 | Dagmar | Someone sobered up |
| 18:49.03 | alestane | The EditingUI add-on? |
| 18:49.31 | alestane | It was basically just a way to get dimension values and frame names quickly. |
| 18:53.37 | Mr_Rabies | let me see if i can find out when it was |
| 18:54.22 | alestane | I think they previewed it at the BlizzCon 2007 UI panel, which is on YouTube somewhere. |
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| 19:00.51 | Mr_Rabies | yeah i can't find any kind of transcript for the UI panel from 2007 |
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| 19:02.55 | Vilkku | so yeah |
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| 19:02.57 | Vilkku | new beta testers |
| 19:03.15 | Vilkku | is the install very slow for you as well? |
| 19:03.21 | Kraps | 08/22/2010 - Plastic Surgeon Arrested on Earth for Murdering Asari Patients |
| 19:03.24 | Vilkku | under 1% per minute atm |
| 19:03.39 | Dagmar | Kraps: "Arrested on Earth"? |
| 19:03.53 | Dagmar | Oh wait, Asari... ME2. |
| 19:04.00 | Kraps | bingo |
| 19:04.00 | Dagmar | DIde new DLC drop? |
| 19:04.08 | Kraps | http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Cerberus_Daily_News |
| 19:04.36 | Kraps | 08/04/2010 - Asari Diamond "The Mother's Star" Blessed by Earth's Pope |
| 19:06.35 | Dagmar | Kraps: Is this more stuff in leiu of actual content, or can you actually track these people down and "collect" them? |
| 19:06.37 | Thunder_Child | wtf Ackis |
| 19:06.45 | Dagmar | s/leiu/lieu/; |
| 19:06.48 | Kraps | former |
| 19:06.48 | Thunder_Child | 'age of booty'? |
| 19:06.57 | Dagmar | Oh. Poo. |
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| 19:07.46 | Dagmar | Kinda tempting to go for an |
| 19:08.03 | Dagmar | er "300th Anniversary of EA's Cerberus Network hack" |
| 19:08.34 | Thunder_Child | you know, i wonder how well it works http://usb.brando.com/usb-cooling-seat-pad_p01541c049d015.html |
| 19:09.36 | Dagmar | If the illustration is correct, then there's two answers to that: |
| 19:09.43 | Dagmar | 1. "Not very well" and |
| 19:09.54 | Dagmar | 2. "Not for very long if you're on battery" |
| 19:10.58 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: ALmost everyting on that site should mention "Made in China" |
| 19:11.54 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: doesnt matter, i have been using http://usb.brando.com/imono-80-in-1-high-speed-card-reader-hub_p00531c031d015.html for years now and it works great |
| 19:11.56 | Dagmar | However... this is not always a bad thing! http://usb.brando.com/usb-skull-mp3-player_p01795c035d015.html |
| 19:12.22 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Wlel, I'm pretty sure the Buzz Lightyear USB Fan is actually official merch |
| 19:12.30 | Dagmar | er is NOT actually official merch |
| 19:17.17 | Mr_Rabies | dang, already found a problem with livestock |
| 19:17.23 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't support druid flight forms it seems :/ |
| 19:18.02 | Mr_Rabies | oh nevermind, missed a [+] |
| 19:22.01 | Fisker | what's the max ticket length |
| 19:22.06 | Fisker | 255 characters? |
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| 19:45.07 | Kraps | Dagmar: http://www.cerberusdailynews.com/?p=100 |
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| 19:48.11 | ckknight | Youve got to be kidding me. Ive been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. Its just common sense. |
| 19:50.51 | Kraps | ckknight: it has not been further more like, sorry |
| 19:52.23 | alestane | feels ckknight's forehead gingerly. |
| 19:52.29 | ckknight | lol |
| 19:52.29 | Dagmar | I am disappoint. |
| 19:53.17 | Dagmar | Kraps: "MSV Kent" <-- too obvious. Hacks. |
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| 19:57.34 | Adys | ckknight: At this point, my own people, one of the ethnic Karen people in two days, two people two people two people two or three people here one by one, two two most small one one is to understand that it will be updated as people |
| 20:02.04 | ckknight | k |
| 20:02.13 | Adys | ckknight: I'm serious too |
| 20:03.06 | Cide | I'm serious two |
| 20:03.49 | Adys | I'm serious two people two two people three people one by one |
| 20:08.51 | mikma | gah |
| 20:09.01 | mikma | wotlk is boring now after catabeta |
| 20:09.14 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: you play the weirdest stuff |
| 20:09.18 | A-KO | so |
| 20:09.23 | A-KO | anyone gonna get worms Reloaded? |
| 20:09.33 | Thunder_Child | does it have MP? |
| 20:09.50 | A-KO | of course? |
| 20:09.50 | Cide | I totally am A-KO |
| 20:09.53 | A-KO | it's $18 |
| 20:09.57 | A-KO | it looks bad ass |
| 20:09.58 | A-KO | lol |
| 20:10.04 | A-KO | I've always loved the Worms games |
| 20:10.08 | Thunder_Child | then maybe |
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| 20:12.34 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28vS4pzcupY |
| 20:13.03 | Dagmar | What I find really astonishing is that they've yet to make a Worms CCG |
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| 20:16.08 | Fisker | A-KO |
| 20:16.20 | Fisker | i can play Worms: reloaded |
| 20:16.21 | Fisker | and you can't |
| 20:16.23 | Fisker | hey hey |
| 20:18.03 | A-KO | fail :( |
| 20:18.11 | A-KO | lol Dagmar |
| 20:18.18 | Fisker | http://steamcommunity.com/id/Fisker |
| 20:18.25 | Fisker | nsf wobin btw |
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| 20:20.15 | Kraps | wow Fisker, that page screams SERIAL KILLER |
| 20:20.26 | mikma | crush |
| 20:20.27 | mikma | kill |
| 20:20.29 | mikma | destroy |
| 20:20.40 | alestane | nibbles on Cairenn's ear. Save me from the programming... |
| 20:20.53 | Fisker | huh Kraps ? |
| 20:21.08 | Cairenn | purrs at alestane |
| 20:21.24 | Cairenn | Here, this will help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9upTLWRZTfw&feature=email |
| 20:22.33 | Fisker | can i be stopped A-KO ? |
| 20:24.20 | Fisker | slaps A-KO around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:25.23 | A-KO | damn you Fisker :( |
| 20:26.22 | alestane | :), Cairenn. |
| 20:26.33 | Cairenn | *giggle* |
| 20:26.34 | Fisker | yeeeees |
| 20:26.36 | Fisker | yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees |
| 20:27.12 | alestane | Can anyone come up with a good emoticon for plumping one's cleavage at someone? |
| 20:28.29 | Cide | :)B O: |
| 20:29.04 | Cide | or perhaps better :)8 O: |
| 20:29.09 | alestane | ...I'll give you marks for trying, anyway. |
| 20:29.20 | Cide | I thought that was awesome? |
| 20:30.10 | Cide | or :O B(: |
| 20:30.36 | alestane | E(_Y_)3 ? |
| 20:31.14 | alestane | (Hands are sort of hard to include in the traditional "boobs" transcription.) |
| 20:31.16 | Cide | then you're not plumping one's cleavage at someone, just displaying cleavage in general |
| 20:31.24 | Dagmar | SHAKE 'EM BABY |
| 20:32.04 | Cide | my smiley incorporates that someone being shown the cleavage! |
| 20:32.20 | Cide | but I agree that yours is clearer in the displaying cleavage part. |
| 20:33.30 | Mr_Rabies | sounds like this calls for multi-line SJIS art |
| 20:35.32 | Cide | alestane: I think 3(_Y_)Æ is more appropriate |
| 20:37.57 | Cide | alestane: or Ñ or ῳ |
| 20:38.23 | alestane | Hmm, what about \(_Y_)/... |
| 20:38.52 | Cide | I would have thought my unicode to win by now |
| 20:42.48 | Kraps | hey ash, can i clean your gear? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOS2HJVB100&feature=related |
| 20:48.24 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:48.25 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:48.32 | Fisker | always bet on duke |
| 20:48.40 | Cide | I do |
| 20:48.47 | Fisker | sweet |
| 20:49.42 | alestane | SO Cide...if I have to define a class using a particular base class, and I want that class to contain a list ivar, but also function as a proxy to its own list for sequence operations, how can I quickly set that up? |
| 20:50.37 | Cide | um |
| 20:50.42 | Cide | probably um |
| 20:51.37 | Cide | class Foo(BaseClass): def __getattr__(self, name): return getattr(self.ivar, name) |
| 20:52.01 | Cide | any non-existing attribute on Foo will be redirected to self.ivar.<attr> |
| 20:52.46 | alestane | So basically, I want to construct something like "class group(baseCore): _children = []" and have group[0] redirected to group._children[0]. |
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| 20:53.18 | Cide | oh |
| 20:53.23 | Cidan | Hm |
| 20:53.25 | Cide | that's much easier then |
| 20:54.10 | Cide | I thought you wanted group.append() to call group._children.append() |
| 20:54.26 | alestane | Ideally, that would be great too. |
| 20:55.05 | Cide | class group(baseCore): _children = [] def __getitem__(self, *args): return self._children.__getitem__(*args) def __getattr__(self, name) return getattr(self._children, name) |
| 20:55.08 | Cide | should do both |
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| 20:55.27 | alestane | And is there a setitem as well? |
| 20:55.29 | Cide | yes |
| 20:56.04 | Cide | you can replace "*args" with "key" for __getitem__ btw |
| 20:56.10 | Cide | and the signature for setitem is (self, key, value) |
| 20:56.19 | Cide | there is also __delitem__(self, key) |
| 20:56.30 | Cide | in general, see http://docs.python.org/release/2.5.2/ref/sequence-types.html |
| 20:56.36 | alestane | And will __getattr__ be ignored for attributes the object possesses itself? |
| 20:56.39 | Cide | that's for python 2.5 but should be mostly accurate |
| 20:56.41 | Cide | yes |
| 20:57.18 | Cide | __getattribute__ is an alternative special method that catches all attribute accesses, including existing attributes |
| 20:57.38 | Cide | (which should be used with care to avoid infinite recursion) |
| 20:57.44 | alestane | I need a class which is basically a list, but needs a name attribute and has to be derived from a specific root class in order for the runtime to treat it correctly. |
| 20:58.00 | Cide | you could just inherit from both classes if that will do for you |
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| 20:58.14 | Cide | class group(list, baseCore) |
| 20:58.19 | alestane | I was just going to look that up. |
| 20:58.27 | Cide | or (baseCore, list) depending on preferences such as constructor |
| 20:58.54 | Cide | list has a base constructor that takes any iterable so you would initialize it with for instance group([1, 2, 3]) |
| 20:59.21 | alestane | Better see if PyObjC says anything about multiple inheritance. |
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| 21:01.14 | alestane | "Multiple inheritance may be used when subclassing an Objective-C class, so long as the Objective-C class is the first base class and there is only one Objective-C base class. The Objective-C runtime does not support multiple inheritance. These mix-in classes should not contain different implementations for Objective-C methods. To achieve this behavior, Categories should be used instead." |
| 21:02.39 | Cide | sounds doable then |
| 21:02.43 | Cide | if I understand your requirements |
| 21:03.42 | Dagmar | Multiple inheritance should never be attempted by unqualified personnell. |
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| 21:04.20 | alestane | Well, the runtime requirements are two-fold...I have to keep all my own references to the nodes in my tree, to prevent them from being garbage-collected, and they have to inherit from NSObject, or the bridge code will wrap them in proxy objects before passing them back. |
| 21:04.34 | alestane | This sounds like it can work. |
| 21:04.44 | alestane | I'll have to try it and see. |
| 21:05.11 | ccox | easier answer: don't use objc for data structures, only for UI code |
| 21:05.41 | alestane | I don't get a choice in this case. |
| 21:07.00 | alestane | I'm writing a data source to an NSOutlineView, which uses object identities to track which objects are children of which. To pass the objects in and out of the data source with proper persistence, they need to be comprehensible to the Cocoa runtime. |
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| 21:09.43 | alestane | Or, I suppose I could create a separate group of NSObjects with no special behaviors, create one for each of my internal objects, and use a dictionary or something similar to establish a correspondence between them. Does that sound any easier or cleaner? |
| 21:19.54 | zenzelezz | cringes |
| 21:20.04 | zenzelezz | one does not simply speak of Objective-C during the weekend! |
| 21:20.40 | alestane | I'm trying to avoid it myself. |
| 21:20.42 | Dagmar | I'd say it depends on how much weekend binge drinking you do |
| 21:21.34 | zenzelezz | I think back on the moment where my boss asked me if I would be okay learning to code for the iPhone and wonder how much pain I could've saved myself by saying no |
| 21:21.51 | zenzelezz | Objective-C is not inherently bad, but it's not to my personal taste |
| 21:22.01 | Dagmar | Wait... the iPhone uses ObjC? |
| 21:22.14 | zenzelezz | well, you can do C or Obj-C++ |
| 21:22.23 | alestane | iOS is based on the Cocoa-Touch runtime. |
| 21:22.25 | zenzelezz | but basically yes, it's Objective-C |
| 21:22.37 | Dagmar | So naturally, having polished off a few gigantic bong hits, you opted for ObjC out of that |
| 21:22.48 | Cide | alestane: doesn't sound much better if you can manage to do with multiple inheritance |
| 21:23.34 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: I think using Obj-C++ or normal C would've been even more painful for the iPhone |
| 21:23.38 | alestane | I can do that if it becomes needful, Cide...I've at least confirmed that raw NSObjects are hashables. |
| 21:24.32 | Dagmar | Well, just a few minutes ago you posted something that sort of reduces down to "do I want this part of the runtime to fuck me, or this other part of the runtime to fuck me" |
| 21:25.06 | alestane | Very nearly. |
| 21:25.08 | Dagmar | I'll take the pain of extra typing over playing dodgeball with marshallers and such |
| 21:30.20 | sylvanaar | where is stonecore? anyone know? |
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| 21:42.25 | zenzelezz | "This means Spoilers. Thanks for warning me in the title." - if you don't want spoilers, why are you reading a beta forum? o_O |
| 21:48.27 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:48.47 | alestane | Looks like I may have to go that route, though, Cide: TypeError: Error when calling the metaclass bases; multiple bases have instance lay-out conflict |
| 21:49.16 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:49.46 | Cide | ah |
| 21:49.49 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:49.56 | Fisker | you all get slapped to hell |
| 21:49.58 | Fisker | :3 |
| 21:49.58 | Cide | can't inherit from more than one C class |
| 21:50.52 | Cide | or something |
| 21:54.40 | Dagmar | Ooooh |
| 21:54.50 | Dagmar | Finally there's an upgrade option for my G15 http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/7246 |
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| 21:55.42 | smcn | do you still get the same amount of arena points below 1500 rating? |
| 21:58.28 | Cide | why would you? |
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| 22:24.41 | zenzelezz | "[2. Trade] [...]: Ok Silvermoon i am new here have a question for you i let all 3 druids in" |
| 22:24.51 | zenzelezz | I am puzzled about these druids, and where/why he let them in |
| 22:25.50 | Xyphoid | who let the druids in |
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| 22:40.40 | DesertDwarf | I'm on alliance side beta (Lost Isles (US))...who do I /w for a /ginvite? |
| 22:43.01 | DesertDwarf | By the way, I'm Desertwolf on there. |
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| 22:52.34 | Cidan | I can never stay away from this game. |
| 22:53.11 | DesertDwarf | As long as the changes keep coming, it pays to stay. |
| 22:54.45 | Cidan | Indeed. |
| 22:56.09 | DesertDwarf | Can someone in <Secure Hookers> /ginvite me? My toon's name is Desertwolf. |
| 22:56.11 | Cidan | I will say this, I've taken a lot of what I've learned making UI's in WoW and used it in my professional life. |
| 22:56.26 | DesertDwarf | Cidan: That's cool. |
| 22:56.53 | Cidan | indeed, so, yay video games! |
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| 23:51.21 | DesertDwarf | Can someone in <Secure Hookers> /ginvite me? My toon's name is Desertwolf. |
| 23:52.46 | Wobin | <zenzelezz> if you don't want spoilers, why are you reading a beta forum? o_O <-- he plays the beta with his eyes closed, just in case |
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