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| 00:06.19 | KarlKFI|work | anyone knwo is IE supports javascript destructuring assignment? |
| 00:06.26 | KarlKFI|work | know if* |
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| 00:09.41 | KarlKFI|work | answer: no |
| 00:12.58 | bluspacecow | i was gonna say try testing it ? |
| 00:18.16 | Torhal | theorbtwo: That isn't how the words go! |
| 00:23.46 | Kraps | cold as ice? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q0tb2uCVmw |
| 00:27.53 | amro | ~stab Shirik |
| 00:27.54 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 00:34.22 | alestane | I think I missed this the first time: http://blizzcon.norganna.org/main.php/v/blizzcon2008/Saturday/Closing/L80ETC/IMG_1482.jpg.html |
| 00:38.19 | Kraps | "The future is a room packed with people, each one experiencing a completely separate reality from the rest. You're trying to break bad news to a friend, he's looking over your shoulder at porn only he can see." |
| 00:39.07 | Jerub | alestane: tee hee |
| 00:39.20 | KarlKFI|work | "the lesbians behind you are distracting" |
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| 00:42.04 | kd3 | good grief... |
| 00:42.09 | kd3 | 2.7TB of data a month |
| 00:42.14 | kd3 | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/isps-top-data-hog-gobbles-27tb-of-data-in-a-month.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss |
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| 00:50.13 | amro | Cide: sc2? |
| 00:50.27 | Cide | not now! |
| 00:50.32 | Cide | sorry |
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| 01:01.10 | Thunder_Child | ~cackle |
| 01:01.11 | purl | ACTION cackles |
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| 01:06.32 | Thunder_Child | mmm....want to be there http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2009-28-b-hires_jpg.jpg |
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| 01:22.19 | Amarande | *sigh* no raid tonight |
| 01:22.28 | Amarande | have to wait till saturday now |
| 01:22.42 | Amarande | btw, are any of the other servers besides Turalyon having that same vicious login issue? |
| 01:22.54 | Amarande | (perhaps even every server on stormstrike? but I only have anything on Turalyon so I can't check) |
| 01:22.54 | amro | logins aren't tied to specific servers |
| 01:23.09 | Amarande | amro: the issue we're getting on Turalyon is you log in, select your character |
| 01:23.11 | Amarande | loading screen comes up |
| 01:23.14 | Amarande | bar fills up |
| 01:23.26 | Amarande | ... and about *ten minutes later*, assuming you haven't given up and assumed it froze, you finally see the world |
| 01:23.28 | amro | there you have it, the bar is full. no more room |
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| 01:24.02 | Amarande | at first I thought it was an addon issue and I was going to have to reset UI but apparently everyone's getting 10+ minute delays at the full-bar load screen on Turalyon tonight |
| 01:30.18 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, yeah, it's a global issue |
| 01:30.26 | ZorbaTHut | mal'ganis and shattered halls also, doubtless others |
| 01:30.46 | Amarande | is shattered halls in stormstrike bg? |
| 01:30.54 | ZorbaTHut | I don't believe so |
| 01:30.56 | Amarande | I know Mal'Ganis is, unfortunately |
| 01:30.57 | ZorbaTHut | retaliation, I think |
| 01:31.13 | Amarande | lemme see if silvermoon is affected |
| 01:31.31 | Jerub | i killed mal'gannis |
| 01:31.45 | Jerub | well, not realy, we defeated him and he went back to his demonic realm |
| 01:31.46 | Amarande | three cheers for Jerub |
| 01:31.54 | Amarande | mal'ganis is a stupid realm that sucks big hairy orcs |
| 01:32.05 | Amarande | and since I'm on turalyon, I get stuck with nubs from there half the time I go into randoms |
| 01:32.16 | Amarande | Silvermoon is NOT affected. |
| 01:33.39 | Amarande | I'm thinking it must be a datacenter-specific issue |
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| 01:36.23 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26560766412/kill-gs/ |
| 01:37.58 | Amarande | heh ... yeah, it is a losing battle to get people to stop using info in a manner that's dumb |
| 01:38.20 | Kraps | man, what is _up_ with vlc? |
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| 02:15.57 | Amarande | say, did they ever fix this one? |
| 02:16.06 | Amarande | In Zul'Drak, a zone where there's an ongoing war against the undead Scourge, you get a quest to go help at a Argent Crusade forward camp. When you report to the guy there, he says: "Everything was fine until the Scourge arracked!" |
| 02:16.10 | Amarande | from the Narm page on tvtropes |
| 02:17.10 | Thunder_Child | "The best thing we can do is tell people to stop using the information in a way that's dumb, and that's a losing battle. " QFT |
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| 02:20.16 | Amarande | T_C: yeah, tell me about it |
| 02:20.28 | Amarande | that's why I'm transferring my mage from silvermoon alliance to wyrmrest accord alliance after dragon con |
| 02:20.37 | Amarande | although I'm also sorely tempted to make a hell of a lot more money on the AH on Silvermoon first |
| 02:20.44 | Amarande | because apparently money on Wyrmrest Accord goes a FREAKING LONG WAY |
| 02:21.44 | Amarande | is there a tendency in general for RP servers to have low-gold economies? |
| 02:22.27 | Amarande | but as for the people using the info in a way that's dumb thing |
| 02:22.34 | Amarande | silvermoon alliance is particularly virulently infested with GS whores |
| 02:23.19 | Amarande | I thought ICC10 groups on Turalyon who asked for 5200 where pushing it a bit. On Silvermoon Alliance they want the equivalent of like 6k for the same thing. |
| 02:23.35 | Amarande | like sheesh I did ICC10 and went 6/12 in sub 4800 gs last week |
| 02:24.19 | |Jelly| | rofl ... 5.6 on my server is about average. my druid will never get gear. |
| 02:25.04 | Amarande | I thought Vladoka would never get gear but then I found an ICC10 that didn't care about GS |
| 02:25.13 | Amarande | and actually proved myself |
| 02:25.32 | Amarande | I've apparently honed my DK DPS skills really really well |
| 02:25.43 | Amarande | (probably helps that I leveled the whole way as DW frost, rather than waiting till 80 and respeccing, too) |
| 02:26.13 | Amarande | I did suck pretty hard in VOA25 yesterday |
| 02:26.23 | Amarande | but that's me needing to upgrade my RAM before I do any more 25's apparently :| |
| 02:26.46 | Amarande | if I even bother to do 25's much though, since apparently basically nobody is going to do them anymore in cata |
| 02:27.06 | Gnarfoz | uhm, yes we are going to |
| 02:27.13 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: okay, maybe some people will |
| 02:27.25 | Amarande | but pretty much only hardcore 25 man folks will |
| 02:27.30 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 02:27.38 | Amarande | most people I've seen opine about it seem to agree that 10's will be where it's at |
| 02:27.40 | Gnarfoz | why must you generalize so much on basically *no* information? |
| 02:28.37 | Gnarfoz | notices that it's about 5 hours after he wanted to go to bed |
| 02:28.57 | Gnarfoz | yay going to work on 2 hours of sleep~ |
| 02:29.03 | Amarande | heh I do that a lot myself |
| 02:29.13 | Amarande | especially lately with working far more mornings than I am used to |
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| 02:48.32 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_TV4qJiOlg&feature=player_embedded |
| 02:49.09 | Kraps | just finished season 2 of buffy |
| 02:49.29 | Kraps | paragon of epicosity, that show is |
| 02:49.30 | Dagmar | You've not gotten to the good stuff (Felicia Day) then |
| 02:49.35 | Wobin | stop after the next two |
| 02:49.42 | Kraps | lol Wobin |
| 02:49.43 | Wobin | er three |
| 02:49.50 | kd3 | lol, fark: Rodents of Unusual Size? I don't think they exiWHAT THE FARK IS THAT THING AND WHY HAVEN'T YOU KILLED IT WITH FIRE YET [Scary] |
| 02:49.56 | Dagmar | Nah, if he stops there he'll miss some of Wheedon's best work |
| 02:49.58 | Wobin | Not even Felicia can save Seasons Seven |
| 02:50.07 | Wobin | And seasons sux |
| 02:50.19 | Kraps | Felicia is in there a while? |
| 02:51.01 | Dagmar | Felicia has a *girlfriend* even |
| 02:51.03 | Dagmar | w00t! |
| 02:51.07 | Wobin | she's in season seven |
| 02:51.17 | Wobin | and season seven was terrible |
| 02:52.59 | Wobin | who was Felicia's gf? |
| 02:53.06 | Wobin | I don't remember Vi getting one |
| 02:54.14 | Wobin | -Kennedy- is Willow's gf |
| 02:55.21 | Dagmar | FUck if I can remember |
| 02:55.40 | Dagmar | That cuban girl I *think* |
| 02:55.43 | Wobin | I think you're projecting =P |
| 02:55.47 | Dagmar | Either way, Felicia's adorable as hell |
| 02:55.52 | Dagmar | I'd like to put her in my mouth. :) |
| 02:56.05 | Dagmar | NOMNOMNOM |
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| 02:56.39 | Dagmar | Seriously tho the singing episode was goddamn awesome |
| 02:56.45 | Wobin | You totally are projecting =P |
| 02:56.48 | Dagmar | ...as were most of Wheedon's "challenge" episodes |
| 02:56.51 | Wobin | don't get Krap's hopes up like that |
| 02:57.05 | Wobin | Once More With Feeling was the -only- decent episode in Six and Seven |
| 02:57.15 | Dagmar | I don't think it's possible to pump Kraps's hopes up too much for that last season |
| 02:57.24 | Dagmar | DOZENS of nubile young women running all over the place |
| 02:57.25 | Dagmar | Yay! |
| 02:57.27 | Wobin | Kraps: Felicia Day does -not- get a girlfriend in BtVS =P |
| 02:57.49 | Wobin | Seasons Six and Seven were -terrible- otherwise =( |
| 02:57.50 | Kraps | Dagmar: didnt you say they're all slayers? |
| 02:57.53 | Dagmar | Wobin: What about the silence episode |
| 02:57.54 | Wobin | shh! |
| 02:57.56 | Dagmar | Kraps: Yep |
| 02:58.11 | Wobin | Dagmar: Hush? |
| 02:58.13 | Wobin | That was season 4 |
| 02:58.14 | Kraps | whoa, big loophole |
| 02:58.18 | Wobin | And yes. |
| 02:58.24 | Wobin | shh! |
| 02:58.29 | Wobin | Dagmar: stop spoiling it =P |
| 02:58.43 | Dagmar | During those last two years, critics were trash talking Wheedon saying "blah blah blah he can write a pulp show but without the words he'd be screwed" |
| 02:58.55 | Dagmar | "blah blah blah he can't write anything musical" |
| 02:59.01 | Wobin | I think Marti did most of the terribleness in season six |
| 02:59.03 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn :) |
| 02:59.20 | Dagmar | So he started writing scripts that just used it like a trick and proved them wrong, wrong, wrong. |
| 02:59.31 | Kraps | dr horrible? |
| 02:59.54 | Dagmar | Sing Along Blog was great |
| 02:59.59 | Wobin | that was after |
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| 03:00.18 | Wobin | but the music for Dr Horrible was top of the line |
| 03:00.38 | Wobin | if Whedon wrote a full musical, I'd totally go see it |
| 03:00.49 | Dagmar | Kraps: No, there were two really spectacular eps of Buffy. One where some demon made everyone have to sing--they couldn't just speak. ...and one where some group of baddies cursed the town so that no one could even speak |
| 03:00.52 | Cairenn | hi Amarande |
| 03:00.56 | Wobin | He has a very good grasp of polyphony |
| 03:01.12 | Wobin | 'Hush', you'll see in season 4 |
| 03:01.16 | Kraps | ok, does anything happen with that tard principle that knows sunnyvale is a hellmouth? |
| 03:01.21 | Wobin | yes |
| 03:01.24 | Dagmar | The funny thing is that only one of the actors had to have a voice double |
| 03:01.28 | Wobin | you'll see =P |
| 03:01.40 | Wobin | Dagmar: who? |
| 03:01.45 | Dagmar | Kraps: Of *course* something happens to him. It *is* pulp after all |
| 03:01.49 | Dagmar | Wobin: You couldn't tell? |
| 03:02.06 | Wobin | Anya or Xander? Or Buffy =P |
| 03:02.14 | Kraps | WHOA |
| 03:02.17 | Dagmar | Anya can actually sing, and so can Xander. |
| 03:02.23 | Kraps | ANGLE |
| 03:02.25 | Wobin | Xander was a bit iffy =) |
| 03:02.27 | Dagmar | Spike's in a fucking *band* anyway |
| 03:02.29 | Kraps | ANGEL* |
| 03:02.38 | Kraps | oh wait no |
| 03:02.45 | Wobin | he's in his spin off by then |
| 03:02.49 | Dagmar | Well, we know David can't carry a tune, but he wasn't in that episode |
| 03:03.01 | Wobin | well, not Tara or Giles |
| 03:03.06 | Wobin | Willow, then, I guess? |
| 03:03.24 | Kraps | that spinoff has a few seasons, is it good? |
| 03:03.26 | Wobin | Not that she sang much |
| 03:04.50 | Iriel | I saw this in a regexp today.. I'm still unable to come up with any world in which it makes sense... /[\w|\W]*/ (Java regexps, the \'s were correctly escaped in the string) |
| 03:05.06 | Dagmar | Dawn can't sing for shit, and Buffy had her vocals "tweaked" |
| 03:06.00 | Wobin | oh I totally forgot about her singing to Sweet |
| 03:06.07 | Dagmar | Iriel: They're searching for characters in base-20 or something |
| 03:06.07 | Wobin | it was -that- memorable |
| 03:07.34 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 03:07.58 | Dagmar | Yeah I had to go look at the recap on WP to bring to mind who the hell sang what |
| 03:08.16 | Dagmar | I could only remember X/A and Giles's gigs clearly |
| 03:08.39 | Wobin | and Tara's |
| 03:08.55 | Wobin | how could you forget Willow and Tara's? =) |
| 03:09.04 | Dagmar | Well, becuase it was muchy |
| 03:09.05 | Dagmar | er mushy |
| 03:09.14 | Wobin | and porn =P |
| 03:09.22 | Dagmar | Well, there's that. :L) |
| 03:09.45 | Kraps | Dagmar: when you say pulp you mean: 3. a. a magazine or book containing trite or sensational material, |
| 03:10.01 | Dagmar | Kraps: Something like that |
| 03:10.27 | Kraps | how do you figure that out? :p |
| 03:10.32 | Dagmar | "pulp" stories tend to be simple, with semi-predictable rules, like the bad people ALWAYS get killed, the clueless die first, that sort of thing |
| 03:10.50 | Dagmar | They also tend to lean heavily on _archetypes_ |
| 03:10.57 | Dagmar | ...and in many cases, sterotypes |
| 03:11.14 | Wobin | tropes |
| 03:11.21 | Dagmar | Like, these new vampire flicks would be purest pulp, except normally vampires aren't that GAY |
| 03:11.36 | Dagmar | Formulaic. |
| 03:11.38 | Wobin | well, they were in Anne Rice |
| 03:11.49 | Kraps | there are quite a few subverted/averted tropes in BtVS |
| 03:11.50 | Dagmar | Nah, in Anne Rice's novels they were just metro |
| 03:11.57 | Kraps | which is cool |
| 03:11.59 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 03:12.34 | Wobin | Buffy is a very Whedonesque production |
| 03:12.40 | Wobin | I do like his writing |
| 03:12.54 | Wobin | he does 'banter' very very well |
| 03:13.42 | Kraps | Giles: theres a demon in the internet! Ms Calender: i know. my brain: <sigh of relief> |
| 03:14.06 | Dagmar | Ms. Calendar was also quite delicious |
| 03:14.20 | Kraps | lulz |
| 03:14.33 | Dagmar | This is also a pulp 'trope' |
| 03:14.38 | cog|away | i'm sure i've mentioned this before, but i suck at sc2 -_- |
| 03:14.39 | Dagmar | Heroines == HAWT |
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| 03:15.04 | Dagmar | Tara was their token "fat chick" and even she was hot |
| 03:15.19 | Wobin | feh |
| 03:15.23 | Thunder_Child | wtb cold |
| 03:15.26 | Wobin | they should have stuck with the original Willow |
| 03:15.30 | Wobin | if theyw anted to go that way |
| 03:15.42 | Dagmar | original Willow?" |
| 03:15.51 | Kraps | stopppppp |
| 03:16.05 | Kraps | dont want willow to go away |
| 03:16.08 | Dagmar | Kraps; It's not a spoiler, per se. THey never changed the actress |
| 03:16.09 | Slackwise | http://slackwi.se/files/images/screenshots/WoW/Finally.jpg |
| 03:17.08 | Arrowmaster | USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND |
| 03:17.09 | Arrowmaster | arrow 21800 8.0 70.9 6571472 4340884 ? Rl Aug18 196:12 /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin |
| 03:17.21 | Arrowmaster | and who says firefox doesnt have any memory leaks? |
| 03:17.31 | Dagmar | That's not Firefox |
| 03:17.40 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcfgyUzcRJo |
| 03:17.43 | Wobin | Dagmar: ^ |
| 03:18.56 | Wobin | well not precisely true |
| 03:19.02 | Wobin | they did change willow |
| 03:19.09 | Wobin | they just did it right after the pilot =P |
| 03:19.32 | Wobin | (the youtube is to the unaired pilot) |
| 03:19.39 | Dagmar | I'm going to pretend I never saw that now. |
| 03:19.43 | Wobin | hehe |
| 03:19.56 | Dagmar | I don't look at her and think "I want to see her more often" |
| 03:20.01 | Wobin | she's a bit more .. uh.. froofy than Alyson |
| 03:20.07 | Dagmar | I look at her and think "victim #4" |
| 03:20.16 | Dagmar | SHe's nebbish |
| 03:20.47 | Dagmar | Don't make me explain that word. Ask a jew. |
| 03:20.52 | Dagmar | ...or GOogle. |
| 03:20.55 | Wobin | oy |
| 03:21.10 | Dagmar | Wobin: I was asked to explain 'plotz' a few nights ago |
| 03:22.00 | Kraps | freakin goyim |
| 03:22.00 | Dagmar | Nebbishes and mooks _always_ get snuffed in pulp |
| 03:22.25 | Wobin | pft |
| 03:22.31 | Wobin | Willow is -supposed- to be nebbish |
| 03:22.44 | Wobin | that's her whole initial character |
| 03:22.48 | Dagmar | Nah, she's supposed to be meek, not pathetic |
| 03:23.54 | Kraps | so she becomes less "williow"y? |
| 03:24.42 | Wobin | She eventually grows up |
| 03:24.46 | Wobin | they all do |
| 03:25.14 | Dagmar | SHe definitely has a "moment" there |
| 03:26.37 | Amarande | Dagmar, are you going to make the 'iceweasel isn't firefox' argument :) |
| 03:26.49 | Amarande | Dude. |
| 03:27.03 | Amarande | Saying Iceweasel isn't Firefox ... is basically like trying to claim that Pathfinder isn't really D&D. :) |
| 03:27.05 | Dagmar | Man part of the problem is people's expectations |
| 03:27.20 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, but it's not! D&D, you see, is actually good now |
| 03:27.28 | Dagmar | If you spawn a crapload of tabs and then browse page after page it will keep the history cached for each of those |
| 03:27.44 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean like the typical TV Tropes browsing session? :) |
| 03:27.56 | Dagmar | Yeah pretty much |
| 03:28.02 | Thunder_Child | if you are talking about 4th you would be wrong |
| 03:28.06 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut |
| 03:28.20 | Amarande | heh, at first I thought all those tvtropes tabs were why Turalyon wasn't loading me in properly |
| 03:28.29 | Amarande | but then I closed firefox and tried again, and it still mucked up |
| 03:28.35 | Dagmar | Issues about caching pages are about as useful to fight against as issues people have with "OMG why do I have so little RAM free" when half their filesystem is simply hanging around in the spare RAM |
| 03:28.40 | Amarande | and then just in case of any other leaks I rebooted and tried again and it still screwed up |
| 03:29.00 | Dagmar | Canvases are also great for sucking down RAM |
| 03:29.12 | Amarande | I think I might still need more RAM before I attempt to go to ICC25, though |
| 03:29.17 | Amarande | I was in VOA25 yesterday |
| 03:29.19 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: half my filesystem cant fit in my ram |
| 03:29.19 | Amarande | and it was CHOPPY AS HELL |
| 03:29.26 | Dagmar | You sure it's not a more overpowered video card you need? |
| 03:29.28 | Amarande | we're talking, I had had HUGE gear upgrades since last Thursday when I went to ICC10 |
| 03:29.37 | Dagmar | I gotta turn stuff down in 25-mans because I've got an 8800 |
| 03:29.40 | Amarande | and then I go to VOA25, and do little more DPS on Toravon than I did on Saurfang |
| 03:29.48 | Jerub | i have most of my settings on lowest |
| 03:29.51 | Amarande | I have a GTS 250. It's gotta be beefy enough. |
| 03:29.52 | Jerub | becaues of icc25's |
| 03:29.57 | Amarande | It's the gig model of GTS 250, too |
| 03:30.01 | Dagmar | Freaky |
| 03:30.09 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, I disagree strongly, but I was mostly making a joke :P |
| 03:30.14 | Amarande | I think it has to be the system RAM. |
| 03:30.21 | Dagmar | Not sure where that is in comparison to the 8800 tho so I can't be sure |
| 03:30.32 | Amarande | Of which I have only 2GB ... but *sigh* 4GB means I have to plunk down another 100+ on Windows, too |
| 03:30.33 | Dagmar | You're not doing something crazy like running single-banked RAM are you>? |
| 03:30.38 | Amarande | Nope. Dual channel DDR. |
| 03:30.53 | Amarande | Dagmar: GTS 250 is basically one full generation or so ahead of the 8800 |
| 03:30.55 | Dagmar | Nah you're going to get at least 3.7Gb out of 4Gb installed |
| 03:30.59 | Amarande | it's essentially a rebranded 9800 GTX+ |
| 03:31.15 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut: i think we have been over this tbh so i will stop. you have your opnion and i have the right one. :p |
| 03:31.27 | Dagmar | I noticed htat when I went from 2Gb to 4Gb (with XP!) it stopped swapping on me |
| 03:31.34 | Amarande | And I have Vista |
| 03:31.37 | Amarande | which <3's RAM |
| 03:31.37 | Dagmar | I could tab in and out |
| 03:31.46 | Dagmar | OH, now THAT would be a reason to go get 7 |
| 03:31.56 | Dagmar | You might as well be using the 7 beta |
| 03:32.08 | Dagmar | Vista was kinda an 'ME' release |
| 03:33.40 | Amarande | apparently, I can get 7 Ultimate full version for under 200 from newegg by going for the OEM one |
| 03:34.11 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 03:34.22 | Dagmar | Just remmeber you're going to have to show it a clean disk |
| 03:35.04 | Amarande | Dagmar: that's what booting knoppix and running dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda is for :) |
| 03:35.07 | Dagmar | OEM discs are as mean about checking for differing versions as upgrade editions are |
| 03:36.17 | Dagmar | Usually you can get away with just renaming hte windows directory |
| 03:36.20 | Amarande | the hell, when did newegg do this new layout |
| 03:36.23 | Dagmar | I've not tried that with 7 yet |
| 03:37.19 | Dagmar | Looks enough like the old layout that I'm not seeing a differnece |
| 03:37.51 | Dagmar | Ah.. new skin shows up a lot different on product pages. I see now |
| 03:37.56 | Dagmar | Not bad |
| 03:38.45 | Amarande | they also apparently actually use Helvetica on their pages |
| 03:38.47 | Amarande | Not Arial |
| 03:38.48 | Amarande | WOOT. |
| 03:38.53 | Amarande | Arial should go stand in a fire |
| 03:39.02 | Dagmar | That's good because Arial is kinda ugly in comparison |
| 03:39.59 | Dagmar | Damnit. I should have jumped on BOrderlands sooner |
| 03:40.03 | Dagmar | Sale's already over |
| 03:40.11 | Amarande | yeah 179.99 for 7 ultimate oem |
| 03:40.20 | Amarande | I think that's less than 7 home premium full version, even |
| 03:40.29 | Amarande | had to buy that for Mom a few months ago :| |
| 03:40.47 | Dagmar | You might be able to find an upgrade version for cheaper if your Vista is legit |
| 03:40.49 | Amarande | we overhauled her PC because we were having issues with some of the hardware (turned out to be the monitor, fwiw) |
| 03:40.51 | Cide | msdnaa baby |
| 03:41.14 | Arrowmaster | i should sign up for a fall CIS class so i can get msdnaa access again |
| 03:41.15 | Amarande | and since I'd tried multiple linux distros, and our XP discs are both original retails that won't install on a Core i5 ... |
| 03:41.30 | Amarande | yeah, we had to get 7 full because upgrade requires a pre-existing install already on the hard disk whether you have media or not |
| 03:41.33 | Amarande | why the heck did they do that, anyway |
| 03:41.46 | Amarande | used to be, you just had to provide the old disc (and maybe the key), not have to actually manage to install it first |
| 03:41.49 | Dagmar | Hell if I know. That's weird |
| 03:42.09 | Dagmar | All the upgrade editions I had in the past were pretty mellow about asking for just any version of Windows ever |
| 03:42.18 | Dagmar | HEck, XP would take a Wfwg 3.11 floppy |
| 03:42.21 | Amarande | Dagmar: it's impossible to install anything older than XP SP2 Windows-wise on a Core i5, apparently. |
| 03:42.24 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 03:42.44 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: know why? |
| 03:42.51 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: it pukes on something to do with the hard drive |
| 03:42.59 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 03:43.01 | Dagmar | Very strange, that |
| 03:43.01 | Arrowmaster | AHCI |
| 03:43.06 | Dagmar | OH |
| 03:43.11 | Dagmar | OKay that's not suprising |
| 03:43.13 | Arrowmaster | just disable it in the bios |
| 03:43.27 | Dagmar | I was glad I didn't have to go find a FLOPPY DRIVE to feed 7 a godamn AHCI driver |
| 03:43.48 | Arrowmaster | afaik XP doesnt have AHCI drivers at all |
| 03:43.54 | Amarande | so now Mom has a spiffy new monitor, a Core i5, and my old Radeon 3870 |
| 03:43.55 | Dagmar | THat stuff basically did not exist in consumer-space when XP came out |
| 03:44.04 | Arrowmaster | you cant even install XP SP3 on a system using AHCI |
| 03:44.07 | Amarande | ... I still have my Athlon X2 4200+, heh |
| 03:44.13 | Amarande | although my monitor and video card are spiffier |
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| 03:44.27 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: nah you can, you just have to get the driver to feed it at boot time |
| 03:44.34 | Arrowmaster | what driver |
| 03:44.38 | Amarande | Arrow: apparently, SP2 and SP3 can *make it through the install long enough* to be able to install the drivers |
| 03:44.38 | Arrowmaster | i could never find one |
| 03:44.44 | Dagmar | Generally the AHCI Driver from the manufacturer |
| 03:44.47 | Amarande | SP1 or original XP give a Stop error before you can even manage to install it |
| 03:44.59 | Kraps | she looks a lot more spry in season 3 |
| 03:44.59 | Dagmar | God forbid you let the motherboard run the disks in 'compatibility' mode |
| 03:45.06 | Kraps | taller too |
| 03:45.09 | Arrowmaster | AHCI is a standard why does the manufacturer have to provide a driver |
| 03:45.25 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: BEcause it didn't *exist* when XP came out |
| 03:45.26 | Amarande | and speaking of drivers I had to give her my Intel PCI network card |
| 03:45.34 | Amarande | because the Foxconn board she got |
| 03:45.40 | Amarande | apparently has shit for W7 network drivers |
| 03:45.40 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: so why isnt there a generic driver for it |
| 03:45.41 | Dagmar | Might as well ask it to do something useful with PCIe cards |
| 03:45.53 | Amarande | Dagmar: ahh yes, I think the Stop error might have even had to do with PCI-E |
| 03:45.59 | Amarande | Yeah, I think it was PCI-E and not AHCI |
| 03:46.10 | Amarande | I've read that you can not install XP earlier than SP2, on a system with a PCI-E video card |
| 03:46.14 | Amarande | you WILL get a Stop error during install |
| 03:46.17 | Dagmar | If you let it install in compatibility mode, the motherboard would masquerade your SATA disks as IDE |
| 03:46.27 | Amarande | I don't think it was the hard drives at all |
| 03:46.30 | Dagmar | ...but generally didn't *protect one view of the hardware from the other* |
| 03:46.44 | Amarande | I think it was indeed the PCI-E thing |
| 03:46.53 | Dagmar | So you'd install XP, then it would find a nice driver, notice your "new" SATA disks, and shit would explode |
| 03:46.59 | Dagmar | If you were lucky it would explode |
| 03:47.10 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: does the same when using onboard raid i think, which is why i laugh at people using fakeraid with SSDs |
| 03:47.20 | Amarande | speaking of SSDs |
| 03:47.30 | Amarande | I wonder how long before we'll be expected to pony up for them to be gamers |
| 03:47.37 | Arrowmaster | never |
| 03:47.43 | Dagmar | Most of the time your motherboard would see that something's using the SATA interface, and your "IDE disks" would just "go away" all of a sudden, which would make XP very ANGRY |
| 03:48.04 | Amarande | just like back in the day when broadband hadn't gotten dirt cheap, we were still expected to pony up for it, possibly including moving to a different town to be able to get cable or be close enough for DSL, if we didn't want to constantly get our asses kicked in FPS |
| 03:48.05 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not sure there are any appliactions yet where an SSD's speed would be enough but an HDD's speed wouldn't be |
| 03:48.22 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut++ |
| 03:48.38 | Dagmar | Well, any hard drive you should be *using* anyway |
| 03:48.38 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: it depends on how you define 'enough' |
| 03:48.39 | Amarande | I wonder if that's why the Quake series fell into relative obscurity vis-a-vis Unreal during the late 90s |
| 03:48.51 | Jerub | if i had to run openoffice, for instance, i would expense an ssd just to remove the pain of starting it |
| 03:48.55 | Arrowmaster | quake was playable on shitty connections |
| 03:49.00 | Amarande | Arrow: Quake ONE. |
| 03:49.07 | Dagmar | If you've got some old 4Gb piece of crap that does not grok UDMA< you could be in for some pain |
| 03:49.10 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, sure, but I mean in terms of actually playing a game in realtime |
| 03:49.15 | Jerub | played quake1 on a 14k modem. |
| 03:49.16 | Amarande | Unreal, as I recall, had deathmatch modes that actually were balanced well enough to not make ping the main determinant of winning |
| 03:49.24 | Amarande | It was Quake 2 where things started going downhill |
| 03:49.34 | Amarande | IMO, they introduced the railgun too soon for the realities of the Internet of the day |
| 03:49.37 | Arrowmaster | oh, we used to play quake2 on our school laptops over the shitty crowded 802.11a wireless |
| 03:49.46 | Amarande | the railgun made ping matter more than ANYTHING, basically, if players weren't TOTAL noobcake |
| 03:49.49 | Dagmar | I think that also had something to do with gamers showing up who had unreal reflexes |
| 03:50.00 | Amarande | especially with so many servers having policies that you couldn't hide and camp, so you HAD to get out there in the open and be railgun bait |
| 03:50.12 | Dagmar | One guy I knew would freaking play that and race around the map basically shooting people the moment their *face* came aroudn a corner |
| 03:50.23 | Amarande | Literal policies. Like if you didn't move often enough, you would be given a message saying to get moving or you'd get disconnected. |
| 03:50.32 | Dagmar | If I hadn't been sitting right next to the dude I'd have been screaming "HAX" |
| 03:50.36 | Amarande | Q1, far as I recall, didn't have that at all |
| 03:50.47 | Dagmar | That's pretty goddamn humbling to see someone do that on YOUR OWN RIG |
| 03:50.49 | Amarande | or at least servers with anti-camp disconnect were rare |
| 03:51.04 | Jerub | Amarande: some servers had an addon that would put a little tent and a fire next to you if you stayed in one place in quake 1 |
| 03:51.09 | Amarande | but yeah, Q2 it was practically standard for servers to run anti-camp disconnect scripts, forcing you to fight in the open |
| 03:51.12 | Amarande | Jerub: cute :) |
| 03:51.14 | Jerub | Amarande: after the tent and the fire a boom would kill you |
| 03:51.31 | Amarande | and also Q2 introduced the railgun, a weapon the likes of which hadn't been present hitherto |
| 03:51.34 | Jerub | my favourite quake2 addon ever is lost to the mists of time |
| 03:51.35 | Dagmar | TOo many people forget the rule of sniping. "Two shots and move" |
| 03:51.44 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: first time i ever played q3 i did that and the guy standing behind me started asking me how long ive been playing q3 and about fell over when i said i had never played it before |
| 03:51.45 | Amarande | and moreover, a weapon for which low ping is almost ABSOLUTELY essential |
| 03:51.46 | Jerub | 'capture the chicken' |
| 03:51.51 | Amarande | both for killing and not getting killed |
| 03:52.01 | Amarande | if Q2 had come out in the 21st century, that would have been fine |
| 03:52.10 | Amarande | but it didn't, it came out in the late nineties |
| 03:52.20 | Amarande | and basically meant that in order to do well at all in it, you had to live in a large city or be a college student |
| 03:52.32 | Jerub | what? |
| 03:52.34 | Amarande | because those were the only places to even get broadband at that point |
| 03:52.35 | Jerub | quake2 was late 90s? |
| 03:52.38 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah |
| 03:52.39 | Jerub | oh yeah |
| 03:52.39 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.47 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 03:52.48 | Amarande | and at that point, cable wasn't really widely deployed outside of major urbanities |
| 03:52.51 | Jerub | i get confused with stuf that happened when i first found out i liked girls. |
| 03:52.54 | Dagmar | I had cable then. :) |
| 03:52.59 | Amarande | and DSL in rural areas was forget about it because you weren't close enough to the CO |
| 03:53.04 | Dagmar | I was *sneaky* |
| 03:53.10 | Jerub | Dagmar: LPB |
| 03:53.20 | Dagmar | They were literally only rollig it out in the "rich" neighborhoods in Nashville |
| 03:53.36 | Arrowmaster | i have cable now and im still not a LPB |
| 03:53.39 | Dagmar | ...so I showed up to one of the hookup festivals they had in a mall over on the rich side of town |
| 03:53.59 | Dagmar | For about six months I was one of less than a dozen people with cablemodems on the south side of Nashville |
| 03:54.19 | Dagmar | Four of us being hackers, and two of us being me and my housemnate |
| 03:54.20 | Amarande | anyway, I think that may have been why Quake started losing its luster |
| 03:54.23 | Amarande | isn't the Quake series basically dead now? |
| 03:54.33 | Dagmar | s/dead/"done"/ |
| 03:54.40 | Jerub | quakelive |
| 03:54.41 | Amarande | after Q2, it could only be downhill |
| 03:54.42 | Jerub | is very much alive |
| 03:54.48 | Dagmar | They moved on to mission-based stuff |
| 03:54.52 | Jerub | quakelive is what was good about quake condensed |
| 03:54.53 | Amarande | because it was what, only another year or two after that before UT came out? |
| 03:54.56 | Arrowmaster | i loved q3rocketarena |
| 03:55.00 | Amarande | and UT actually WAS playable for dialup people |
| 03:55.04 | Jerub | you guys play quakelive, right? |
| 03:55.07 | Jerub | or have played? |
| 03:55.09 | Amarande | unless you played something horrible like sniper arena anyway |
| 03:55.10 | Amarande | nope |
| 03:55.14 | Jerub | Amarande: sigh. |
| 03:55.16 | Amarande | I probably HAVE quakelive since I bought the id super pack from steam |
| 03:55.20 | Jerub | Amarande: get thee to a web browser. |
| 03:55.21 | Amarande | but I haven't really got around to checking it out |
| 03:55.25 | Jerub | ... it's free. |
| 03:55.28 | Jerub | in a web browser. |
| 03:55.30 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: i was in the beta a very long time ago, i actually tried playing it at school inside VMWare one day |
| 03:55.44 | Dagmar | The fun thing was seeing the guy who I mentioned before with the super-insane reflexes playing when Activision had their beta |
| 03:55.53 | Dagmar | Him versus that bot they had on all the servers |
| 03:56.02 | Dagmar | He got VERY worked up about it |
| 03:56.06 | Amarande | Jerub: please tell me it's not flash quake |
| 03:56.17 | Dagmar | We didn't know it was a bot until we'd jumped servers a few times |
| 03:56.20 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: no it uses its own browser plugin |
| 03:56.21 | Jerub | Amarande: nope. it's a browser plugin |
| 03:56.28 | Amarande | works with firefox? |
| 03:56.30 | Jerub | Amarande: yes. |
| 03:56.31 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:56.45 | Jerub | we play instagib at lunchtimes here at work occasionally. |
| 03:56.58 | Amarande | and I think that's another thing that's kinda bugged me about FPS lately |
| 03:56.59 | Dagmar | You need a big nerf gun, man |
| 03:57.07 | Amarande | I miss the old days of the super nailgun and the plasma gun |
| 03:57.08 | Dagmar | Come up behind people when they're playing that and start spraying darts around |
| 03:57.11 | Amarande | I LIKE sniper rifles in newer FPS |
| 03:57.28 | Amarande | hell, I'm not happy when I get stuck on the T team in CS, because they don't get my fave gun |
| 03:57.33 | Amarande | but I miss the plasma gun. :) |
| 03:57.40 | Dagmar | I don't miss sniperfaust |
| 03:57.54 | Amarande | Only CTs get the Krieg 550. |
| 03:58.01 | Amarande | I forget what the T unique weapon is. Probably something that sucks. |
| 03:58.33 | Amarande | And I'm probably the only one who favors the K550 over the AWP. heh |
| 03:59.04 | Dagmar | It's nice how much we've learned from these things |
| 03:59.15 | Dagmar | THings like "Allowing users to script responses to health levels is bad" |
| 03:59.27 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 03:59.32 | Arrowmaster | i cant login to quakelive |
| 03:59.41 | Arrowmaster | did they reset all accounts or something? |
| 04:00.14 | Dagmar | No idea. |
| 04:00.36 | Dagmar | They might have nuked based on inactivity |
| 04:01.05 | Jerub | just had a thought about what my oldest still usable internet account is. |
| 04:01.10 | Jerub | i think it may be my icq account |
| 04:01.15 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (spode@213-21-77-27.bon.t3.se) |
| 04:01.17 | Dagmar | How many digits? |
| 04:01.20 | Arrowmaster | which is stupid since i was an extremely early beta tester |
| 04:01.24 | Jerub | 7 |
| 04:01.26 | Dagmar | Cool |
| 04:01.32 | Dagmar | Noooob |
| 04:01.32 | Arrowmaster | i have an 8 digit icq account |
| 04:01.37 | Dagmar | I had a five-digit one |
| 04:01.50 | Jerub | i have a friend who had a 5 digit onea nd forgot the password |
| 04:01.52 | Dagmar | I couldn't stand that FUCKING NOISE tho |
| 04:01.54 | Jerub | he only has his 6 digit one |
| 04:02.10 | Dagmar | *WHANNNNNNNGGGGG!" |
| 04:02.31 | Wobin | I had a 5 digit one |
| 04:02.33 | Wobin | but yeah |
| 04:02.34 | Dagmar | Seriously, what pit of the damned did they drag their sound effects out of |
| 04:02.38 | Wobin | can't remember the password =( |
| 04:02.40 | Jerub | oh wait. |
| 04:02.45 | Jerub | i think i may still have my kali account |
| 04:02.49 | Jerub | which predates my icq account |
| 04:02.59 | Arrowmaster | i have a 6 digit /. account |
| 04:03.03 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: noob |
| 04:03.11 | Arrowmaster | yeah i registered late |
| 04:03.18 | Dagmar | 4-digit slashdot. :) |
| 04:03.25 | Jerub | Dagmar: hi5 |
| 04:03.34 | Arrowmaster | i have a cool number though 635363 |
| 04:03.36 | Dagmar | ONe perk of "being old". lol |
| 04:03.39 | Jerub | bah |
| 04:03.48 | Jerub | slashdot had been around for years before they opened registrations |
| 04:04.27 | Jerub | i just happened to be around on the day they opened |
| 04:04.37 | Jerub | my kali account is 4 digits as well tho |
| 04:05.14 | Dagmar | Hah! When did Slashdot get Achievements? |
| 04:05.18 | Dagmar | http://slashdot.org/~Dagmar+d'Surreal |
| 04:05.28 | Dagmar | Apparently I'm a member of the "4-digit club" hahaha |
| 04:05.50 | Amarande | I have a 7 digit ICQ with first digit 1. :) |
| 04:06.06 | Jerub | Dagmar: *nod*. |
| 04:06.10 | Jerub | they've had acheivements around a year |
| 04:06.20 | Dagmar | Ah... I pretty much never login there anymore |
| 04:06.22 | Jerub | Dagmar: does yours have a '2' next to it? |
| 04:06.25 | Amarande | "Dagmar d'Surreal"? |
| 04:06.30 | Amarande | what series inspired you to use a name like that? :) |
| 04:06.47 | Amarande | Black Jewels by any chance? |
| 04:06.51 | Dagmar | Seems like unless you comment within the first goddamn thirty seconds whatever you say gets drowned out in the howling of retards |
| 04:06.54 | Jerub | http://slashdot.org/~Packets/achievements |
| 04:07.00 | Dagmar | Amarande: THat I'm a lunatic |
| 04:07.06 | Amarande | I'd almost think Kushiel, the d' part sounds D'Angeline ... but I don't think Kushiel's Dart was even out around the time you must have signed up for /. to get that number |
| 04:07.21 | Dagmar | Plus it got me past all the idiot filters on FIDO boards that required something resembling a "real name" |
| 04:07.26 | Amarande | while I'm PRETTY sure Black Jewels has been out a lot longer than that |
| 04:07.37 | Amarande | and actually HAS a character named Surreal, as well. a super mega cool character by that name even. :) |
| 04:07.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (~callahan@74-141-246-74.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 04:07.56 | Dagmar | It's a frenchism thing I sort of "borrowed". "d'" of the house of Surreal |
| 04:08.04 | Amarande | Yeah, I know how that works :) |
| 04:08.10 | Amarande | It's hard not to be a Senior Member at Terre d'Ange and not know that ;) |
| 04:08.17 | Amarande | er, too many nots |
| 04:08.24 | Amarande | once you make Adept of Naamah, such things are things you knew a long time ago :D |
| 04:08.32 | Dagmar | Well, keep in mind I mentioned FIDO. That stuff is anceint |
| 04:09.13 | Fisker | i'm tired |
| 04:09.16 | Arrowmaster | looking at my /. friends list do you know who really fails? |
| 04:09.18 | Dagmar | I loved their network. I perpetually tormented them. |
| 04:09.21 | Fisker | T |
| 04:09.22 | Arrowmaster | haste and his 7 digit uid |
| 04:09.22 | Fisker | i |
| 04:09.23 | Fisker | r |
| 04:09.23 | Fisker | e |
| 04:09.23 | Fisker | d |
| 04:09.31 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 04:09.48 | Jerub | Dagmar: man. FDIO |
| 04:09.50 | Jerub | ER FIDO |
| 04:09.57 | Arrowmaster | http://slashdot.org/~otravi/ 7 digit fail |
| 04:10.01 | Dagmar | Yes. I loved their backbone. |
| 04:10.12 | Jerub | i was waaaay off the backbone |
| 04:10.18 | Jerub | i was posting from hong kong. |
| 04:10.18 | Dagmar | I broke the local nodes at least 5-6 times before Raffi learned to not tempt me to try |
| 04:10.34 | Dagmar | "Whoo! Lookit my magic zip file! Have fun scanning it for virii" |
| 04:10.44 | Arrowmaster | zipbomb? |
| 04:10.56 | Dagmar | Who knew a virus scanner would have issues with 10Gb of zeros |
| 04:10.59 | Dagmar | <-- THIS GUY |
| 04:11.02 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 04:11.16 | Fisker | lol scams |
| 04:11.24 | Jerub | Dagmar: i have an iso containing a variety of zip files and other archives. |
| 04:11.27 | Fisker | This action is taken because we at Blizzard Entertainment take these sales quite seriously. |
| 04:11.40 | Jerub | Dagmar: no commercial virus scanners could survive scanning all of them |
| 04:11.49 | Dagmar | Well, we did fix up a few things |
| 04:11.54 | Arrowmaster | isnt there a recursive zip or tar bomb out there? |
| 04:12.04 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: there's all sorts of things. |
| 04:12.06 | Dagmar | We had to wait for ARJ to make a scanner that wouldn't actually fucking try to spool the thing to disk tho' |
| 04:12.16 | Jerub | oh fuuu arj |
| 04:12.23 | Amarande | heh ... arj |
| 04:12.32 | Jerub | i haven't heard about that since the last time i downloaded a pirate game from a bbs over a 9600 modem |
| 04:12.38 | Jerub | arj x foo.arj |
| 04:12.38 | Jerub | iirc |
| 04:12.46 | Dagmar | The fun thing is that it highlighted how clue gets "lost" sometimes |
| 04:12.52 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember if that's the archiver I broke when I tried to do this one experiment with zipping |
| 04:12.58 | Amarande | I had this basically incompressible 20MB or so file |
| 04:13.05 | Dagmar | Quite a number of tricks that would fell a FIDO were things the commie people had sorted out the year before |
| 04:13.09 | Amarande | and tried to compress it with zip, arj, lzh, arc, and I think zoo |
| 04:13.17 | Amarande | and I think only a couple of them managed to get through it without breaking |
| 04:13.24 | Jerub | i like zip |
| 04:13.34 | Jerub | and it's very easily to hide information within zip files and using zip files. |
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| 04:14.01 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.02 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.02 | Dagmar | <Dagmar> (and yes, I was a bit drunk) |
| 04:14.03 | Dagmar | <Dagmar> (otherwise, sounding something like that isn't something I'd do to |
| 04:14.03 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.03 | Dagmar | @#$@$ gotta run |
| 04:14.23 | Yssaril | SPAM |
| 04:14.24 | Arrowmaster | spammer |
| 04:19.15 | tem | ~seen Xinhuan |
| 04:19.17 | purl | xinhuan <~xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 10h 41m 25s ago, saying: 'also check your line endings in your file to see if they are consistent'. |
| 04:19.27 | Jerub | good advice. |
| 04:19.47 | Jerub | hey, opinion time. i have a raiding tree that is in 50% rare 50% epic gems |
| 04:19.52 | Jerub | i have people say "what's with the gems" |
| 04:20.09 | Jerub | is it really that surprising that i'm packing non-epics? and is it a concern? |
| 04:20.16 | Wobin | yes |
| 04:20.19 | Wobin | cause epics are cheap |
| 04:21.33 | Fisker | Wobin when is the court date? |
| 04:21.53 | Wobin | Do I -look- like your secretary? Remember it yourself! |
| 04:22.20 | Fisker | i mean your court date |
| 04:22.38 | Wobin | I don't have one. You do. Remember? It's about touching that child |
| 04:22.49 | Wobin | Stop trying to project your issues on everyone else =( |
| 04:23.03 | Fisker | i'm not the one storing fictional child pornography Wobin |
| 04:23.09 | Wobin | Yes you are =( |
| 04:23.15 | Wobin | they caught you fair and square |
| 04:23.21 | Fisker | well sure i am |
| 04:23.24 | Wobin | Just own up to the fact |
| 04:23.25 | Fisker | but it's not illegal here |
| 04:23.25 | Fisker | bam |
| 04:23.38 | Wobin | Thus the extradition |
| 04:23.41 | Wobin | Try to keep up |
| 04:23.48 | Fisker | :( |
| 04:28.03 | Fisker | i guess i'm lucky my log is on a SSD Wobin |
| 04:28.09 | Fisker | you have no evidence! |
| 04:28.37 | Wobin | That's what -she- said |
| 04:31.03 | Fisker | btw i'm awesome |
| 04:31.25 | Fisker | yesterday super simian sphere dropped |
| 04:31.39 | Fisker | and because it was raidrolled i told the raidleader to roll 8 |
| 04:31.40 | Fisker | which he did |
| 04:41.25 | Jerub | super simian sphere dropped the first time i was in icc25. |
| 04:49.21 | Yssaril | what do you guys use to rip dvd's ? |
| 04:49.38 | Jerub | Yssaril: handbrake |
| 04:50.10 | Yssaril | Jerub: i mean getting rid of the encryption before tossing it into handbreak |
| 04:50.25 | Jerub | Yssaril: handbrake on non-windows does that automatically i think |
| 04:50.42 | Yssaril | bah am on win7 |
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| 05:10.35 | Arrowmaster | Yssaril: use anydvd and it should remove all the tricky encryptions |
| 05:10.47 | Arrowmaster | then run handbrake |
| 05:11.42 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster: cool i'll check it out |
| 05:12.25 | cogwheel | final sc2 mission or sleep ... hard choice... -_- |
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| 05:14.02 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:14.06 | Fisker | or slaps by Fisker |
| 05:14.39 | Jerub | cogwheel: no choice. finish it |
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| 05:14.51 | cogwheel | -_- meant sarcasm |
| 05:16.10 | Fisker | has Jerub said |
| 05:16.13 | Fisker | i just made the choice for you |
| 05:16.17 | Fisker | you got slapped |
| 05:16.20 | Fisker | now go to sleep |
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| 05:19.37 | Kraps | so angel being sucked into the vortex was only a setback |
| 05:23.11 | Dagmar | A way to take him out of the storyline for awhile |
| 05:23.46 | Kraps | a while? more like 3 episodes |
| 05:24.20 | Jerub | i /really/ liked the buffy's little sister episode arc |
| 05:24.24 | Jerub | that was cunningly put together |
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| 05:39.35 | cog|sleep | too much adrenaline... i won't be able to sleep at all if i keep that up >< |
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| 05:50.21 | Amarande | adrenaline has really weird effects, cog. |
| 05:50.34 | Amarande | if you end up spiraling on too much of it you can end up shivering weirdly when it wears off |
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| 06:02.48 | Wobin | cog|sleep: what's got you worked up? |
| 06:03.07 | Wobin | oh sc2 |
| 06:03.11 | Wobin | htfu =) |
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| 07:08.08 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 07:08.18 | Mr_Rabies | ckknight is credited as ckknight on the dragoncon guest page |
| 07:08.23 | Mr_Rabies | hahaha |
| 07:08.50 | Mr_Rabies | http://dragoncon.org/dc_guest_detail.php?id=735 |
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| 07:09.38 | durcyn | the panties drop for ckknight, not his alter ego cam. |
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| 07:12.00 | Mr_Rabies | i was just casually going through the guest list and was like WAIT A MINUTE |
| 07:13.14 | Mr_Rabies | good to see he'll be there in an official capacity, maybe he'll bring some legitimacy to the wow panels, if he's gonna be working on any |
| 07:13.27 | Mr_Rabies | those panels have been really awkward in years past |
| 07:13.56 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't go last year because i stopped playing wow but before that was pretty awkward |
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| 07:34.08 | Adys | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/8/20/creationism/ |
| 07:35.02 | Adys | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/8/20/creationism/ |
| 07:35.05 | Adys | oops |
| 07:36.10 | mikma | http://coolmaterial.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/history-facebook-updates.jpg <- i love the titanic part |
| 07:37.35 | zenzio | I remember there was a "chat log" of the Titanic sinking, in Anarchy Online combat/chat format... was greatly amusing |
| 07:38.19 | mikma | wobin: http://www.youwillnotbelieve.us/pursuits/category/star-wars-yoga |
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| 07:54.33 | zenzio | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/19/funny-pictures-then-goldilocks/ |
| 07:55.16 | Cairenn | awwwww |
| 07:56.16 | Kalroth | See, that is why women should be furry |
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| 08:01.35 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_licensed_and_localized_editions_of_Monopoly |
| 08:01.36 | Adys | lol. |
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| 08:01.53 | A-KO | need moar DX11 games |
| 08:02.19 | Jerub | Adys: the playtesting of those is sometimes a little .. poor |
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| 08:02.37 | Jerub | Adys: a friend has one of the 'modern' ones iwth $1,000 + dollar bills instead of $1+ bills |
| 08:02.47 | Jerub | but they got the numbers wrong on the community chest cards. |
| 08:03.01 | Jerub | so someitmes you have to pay a $2,000 fine, ... which is in old money, $2... |
| 08:03.11 | Adys | Jerub: it's a beta, quit whining! |
| 08:03.17 | Adys | oh, i guess it's not |
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| 08:14.26 | A-KO | you know |
| 08:14.31 | A-KO | I really enjoy the Total War series of games |
| 08:14.51 | A-KO | I'm not entirely too great at them, but the macro and micro detail they put into their RTS' is worth enough to buy just to support and see. |
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| 10:16.05 | Adys | anyone has the interface files extracted? |
| 10:16.14 | Adys | and is able to paste me framexml/ActionButton.lua |
| 10:16.25 | Adys | (live client |
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| 10:26.24 | Elkano | Adys, wowprogramming has them iirc |
| 10:26.37 | Adys | yah found it |
| 10:26.40 | Adys | thanks anyway |
| 10:26.56 | Elkano | also: http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/commits/live |
| 10:30.54 | Wobin | my isp just upgraded my plan to 100gigs |
| 10:31.25 | Adys | per second? |
| 10:31.38 | Wobin | on and off peak |
| 10:31.45 | Adys | er |
| 10:31.47 | Adys | you mean monthly? |
| 10:31.51 | Wobin | yes |
| 10:31.58 | Adys | man :/ |
| 10:31.59 | Wobin | up from 60/60 |
| 10:32.10 | haste | I'm so above 100GB a month, at least I think so :P |
| 10:32.12 | Adys | i downloaded half that off my phone couple of weeks ago |
| 10:32.17 | Elkano | is mikma still the only one able to invite into EU hookers? |
| 10:32.20 | haste | miss his old network load machine. |
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| 10:50.27 | industrial | ok nerds |
| 10:50.33 | industrial | since vim 7.3 has a lua api |
| 10:50.41 | industrial | with vim-7.3 with +lua, how do I load a .lua file when vim starts? should I wrap it in a vim script and do a :luafile from there? |
| 10:51.33 | unfo- | you can do vim scripts with lua now? |
| 10:51.59 | industrial | apparently |
| 10:52.08 | industrial | compile vim with +lua and :h if_lua.txt |
| 10:52.08 | unfo- | cool! didn't know that. :) |
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| 11:00.04 | industrial | apparently the way to do it indeed is to load a .vim file that will :luafile foo.lua |
| 11:02.19 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/231576/ can someone explain to me wtf this function does? |
| 11:02.39 | Arrowmaster | Adys: no |
| 11:02.47 | Adys | i thought so |
| 11:03.16 | industrial | lolwtf |
| 11:03.18 | industrial | :P |
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| 11:05.15 | mikma | elkano: there are few others |
| 11:06.02 | Elkano | well, I didn't happen to see anyone ingame, yet... Zyn tried to invite me few days ago but wasn't able to do so |
| 11:06.34 | mikma | meh |
| 11:06.41 | mikma | well i can, if you want to |
| 11:08.20 | Elkano | if you are free atm, sure :) |
| 11:16.50 | Elkano | well, mikma, just tell me in case you're logged in :) |
| 11:17.04 | mikma | elkano: i am now |
| 11:17.46 | Elkano | who is finding no char for secure hookers though :/ |
| 11:18.30 | mikma | lies |
| 11:21.43 | wereHamster | Adys: buf points to a int64_t |
| 11:22.08 | wereHamster | Adys: big endian if I see it correctly |
| 11:24.53 | Adys | wereHamster: http://dpaste.com/231584/ |
| 11:24.54 | Adys | man |
| 11:24.58 | Adys | I almost died here |
| 11:25.01 | Adys | don't do that to me |
| 11:26.36 | Adys | wereHamster: what's line 5 for? |
| 11:27.00 | wereHamster | in the python stacktrace? |
| 11:27.12 | Adys | no, y=buf[7]&0x7F; |
| 11:27.16 | Adys | oh wait |
| 11:27.32 | wereHamster | to mask away the top bit (it's the sign) |
| 11:27.54 | Adys | it starts off at the last byte, absolves it, works its way to the top and figures out the sigh |
| 11:27.56 | Adys | correct? |
| 11:28.15 | Adys | ok then it's got nothing whatsoever the f to do with the bug I was working on |
| 11:28.48 | wereHamster | oh, yeah, sorry, looks like buf points to a little endial int64 |
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| 11:29.35 | Adys | i have this list of controllers |
| 11:29.36 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/231574/ |
| 11:29.38 | wereHamster | that function can be rewritten as return *(off_t *)buf; |
| 11:29.59 | Adys | each is 4 bytes (not 8; blizz modified that) |
| 11:30.10 | Adys | but i cant figure out why some of these are fucking up |
| 11:30.11 | wereHamster | sorry, no idea what a controller is |
| 11:30.22 | Adys | it's just a list of ints |
| 11:31.54 | wereHamster | Adys: and the C code is parsing those integers? |
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| 11:32.43 | Adys | I'm not really sure |
| 11:33.13 | Adys | oh wow :/ |
| 11:33.16 | Adys | i get it |
| 11:33.33 | wereHamster | I don't know what you are trying to do, nor what you are using to do that, nor do I have access to she source code of the tools. I can't help you |
| 11:35.52 | Adys | Yeha Im talking to myself atm |
| 11:35.59 | Adys | and i figured it out |
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| 11:40.52 | mikma | ooh |
| 11:40.57 | mikma | new fishing dailies |
| 11:41.54 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/cata/WoWScrnShot_082010_144056.jpg |
| 11:42.03 | Adys | old |
| 11:42.22 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/26420/diggin-for-worms/ |
| 11:42.26 | Adys | +1 Fishing Skill point |
| 11:42.27 | Adys | sup |
| 11:42.46 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/cata/WoWScrnShot_082010_144220.jpg |
| 11:42.53 | mikma | +1 Cooking Skill |
| 11:43.50 | zenzio | wonder if those skill points get converted into gold or something else when you're at the cap |
| 11:44.10 | mikma | meh, stormwind cathedral has been changed |
| 11:45.14 | [Ammo] | mikma: are they doing the +skill for JC, BS etc as well? |
| 11:45.32 | mikma | adys: do they? |
| 11:45.50 | Adys | not yet at least |
| 11:46.03 | Adys | its just for the cooking and fishing skills |
| 11:46.07 | Adys | and a couple of test quests |
| 11:46.23 | mikma | adys: i got a request for wowtal.com |
| 11:47.07 | Adys | go ahead |
| 11:47.47 | mikma | accounts, and way to save the templates under your account. i always keep losing my bookmarks when i upgrade browsers and have lost lots and lots of good builds :D |
| 11:48.40 | Adys | mikma: unlikely, but i was thinking of adding a list of most popular/most viewed/most linked builds |
| 11:50.18 | mikma | that's also good |
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| 12:18.09 | Cide | Adys: I got a request for wowtal |
| 12:18.34 | Adys | denied |
| 12:18.38 | Cide | NOOO |
| 12:18.54 | Adys | Cide |
| 12:18.54 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/231608/ |
| 12:18.59 | Adys | what thinks you? |
| 12:19.05 | Cide | won't look until you hear my request |
| 12:19.09 | Adys | fine |
| 12:19.18 | Cide | redirect wowtal to www.ctmod.net 20 seconds every hour |
| 12:19.22 | Cide | confirm/deny? |
| 12:19.36 | Adys | confirm |
| 12:19.39 | Cide | $$$ |
| 12:19.46 | Adys | i confirm it's a stupid idea |
| 12:19.49 | Adys | and won't do it |
| 12:20.04 | Cide | weaksauce |
| 12:20.08 | Cide | I have a class you should use btw |
| 12:20.08 | Adys | now |
| 12:20.14 | Adys | yeah? |
| 12:20.18 | Cide | sec |
| 12:20.32 | Cide | nothing big |
| 12:21.18 | Cide | http://dpaste.com/231613/ |
| 12:21.31 | Cide | it uses a string-like object as opposed to a file object but that can be changed |
| 12:22.31 | Cide | as opposed to unpack("16s16s", file.read(32)) you just do |
| 12:22.37 | Cide | unpacker = DataUnpacker(file) |
| 12:22.44 | Cide | unpacker.unpack("16s16s") |
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| 12:23.09 | Adys | neat |
| 12:23.17 | Cide | nothing big but quite useful |
| 12:23.25 | Adys | although i dont really use tool classes unless it's part of a larger framework |
| 12:23.36 | Cide | well you have about 500 file.read()'s there |
| 12:23.55 | Adys | yeah so? :P |
| 12:24.03 | Cide | so it's prone to errors |
| 12:24.08 | Adys | how come? |
| 12:24.10 | Cide | unpack("QQQ", diff.read(24)) |
| 12:24.32 | Cide | what if you type 23 or think that Q is 4 bytes as opposed to 8 |
| 12:24.39 | Cide | !!! |
| 12:24.47 | Adys | python will error at runtime |
| 12:24.58 | Cide | error-prone, see? |
| 12:25.27 | Adys | i disagree, it's actually sort of a doublecheck that you're reading what you want to read |
| 12:25.39 | Adys | what if i typo like 16s61s in your thing. |
| 12:25.55 | Cide | then you're fucking stupid |
| 12:26.21 | Cide | and you'd get nonsensical data or EOF errors |
| 12:26.36 | Adys | see |
| 12:26.37 | Adys | error prone. |
| 12:26.41 | Cide | lol |
| 12:26.50 | Cide | by that definition we should type everything twice and assert that they're equal |
| 12:26.55 | Cide | except that's DRY as FUCK |
| 12:27.01 | Cide | non-DRY I should say |
| 12:27.07 | Cide | still neat though |
| 12:27.12 | Cide | I like it |
| 12:27.16 | Adys | "DRY as FUCK" |
| 12:27.22 | Adys | sounds like a bad porn movie |
| 12:27.28 | Cide | it is? |
| 12:27.34 | Cide | starring your mom |
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| 12:28.03 | Cide | anyway DataUnpacker is part of my awesome class for extracting files from mpq's |
| 12:28.58 | Adys | quit unpacking and get binding |
| 12:29.12 | Cide | why should I? :P |
| 12:29.19 | Adys | because bindings ftw |
| 12:29.34 | Cide | I have migrated most of it to C++ already |
| 12:29.45 | Adys | but hold on |
| 12:29.49 | Cide | which uses stormlib natively without stupid bindings |
| 12:29.50 | Adys | what are you using as backend? |
| 12:29.52 | Adys | ok |
| 12:29.58 | Adys | so uhm |
| 12:30.05 | Adys | what is it you're writing exactly then? |
| 12:30.14 | Adys | stormlib can extract files from mpqs already |
| 12:30.42 | Cide | just automated renaming of sc2 maps :P |
| 12:31.12 | Cide | the maps' file names are hashes originally |
| 12:31.25 | Cide | so I extract the file containing the map name and then rename the file to the actual name |
| 12:31.35 | Cide | for convenience |
| 12:32.12 | Adys | import storm; mpq = storm.MPQ("starcraft.mpq"); mpq.extract("/", "out"); renameAllMyShit("out"); |
| 12:32.20 | Adys | see |
| 12:32.23 | Adys | you wanna do this in python |
| 12:32.26 | Cide | I did |
| 12:32.29 | Cide | that's why I have libmpq.py |
| 12:32.36 | Adys | libmpq? |
| 12:32.45 | Cide | my mpq lib for extracting files |
| 12:32.51 | Adys | as in, libmpq, or a stupid name for stormlib weird bindings? |
| 12:32.59 | Cide | as in my custom class |
| 12:33.03 | Adys | because libmpq does have python bindings but it's terrible |
| 12:33.06 | Cide | name collisions coincidental |
| 12:33.33 | Adys | show me? |
| 12:33.46 | Cide | it's just a quick job |
| 12:33.55 | Cide | http://dpaste.com/231618/ |
| 12:33.57 | Adys | that's what your mom told me |
| 12:34.25 | Cide | just supports extraction |
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| 12:34.51 | Adys | i had started writing something like that |
| 12:34.53 | Adys | but yeah |
| 12:34.54 | Adys | stormlib ftw |
| 12:35.15 | Cide | see lines 98-106 for DataUnpacker goodness |
| 12:35.55 | Adys | is it pretty cool yeah |
| 12:38.52 | Adys | Cide: that looks cool |
| 12:39.10 | Cide | yeah, was easier than I thought |
| 12:39.19 | Cide | but I had a reference implementation |
| 12:39.32 | Adys | dude, you had a php reference implementation |
| 12:39.39 | Cide | yeah :P |
| 12:39.41 | Adys | last time i ported something from php i died |
| 12:39.43 | Adys | four times |
| 12:39.50 | Cide | fail |
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| 12:47.57 | Adys | btw Cide |
| 12:48.03 | Adys | this mouse is awesome |
| 12:48.07 | Cide | nice |
| 12:48.15 | Adys | you should get it |
| 12:48.22 | Cide | does it allow unhinging the wheel on fast scrolling? |
| 12:48.33 | Adys | yep |
| 12:48.43 | Adys | mechanically, too, instead of using the stupid drivers |
| 12:52.53 | Cide | that's nice |
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| 13:15.45 | Lunessa | station |
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| 13:21.05 | laeg | is there an addon that will show you quest locations on map for the opposing faction? |
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| 13:31.21 | augustl | laeg: ganking ftw? =P |
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| 13:41.23 | Kraps | i bet none of you ever used a garbage pail to shut the light |
| 13:42.01 | Kraps | i just did |
| 13:42.41 | Thunder_Child | you know, i always feel that gamse that sont show their UI in screenshot are somewhat shady |
| 13:42.46 | Thunder_Child | games* |
| 13:42.49 | Thunder_Child | dont* |
| 13:42.56 | Thunder_Child | screentshots* |
| 13:43.01 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 13:43.01 | purl | drops a truckload of VAXen on Thunder_Child |
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| 13:47.48 | Kraps | "The latest build introduced a VERY interesting feature to the game: a built-in PowerAuras." |
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| 13:49.46 | industrial | http://i.imgur.com/94ePv.jpg |
| 13:49.47 | industrial | how's that for a nerdy dream shattered ;o |
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| 14:20.08 | laeg | augustl: ya, but only people my own level for the moment :) |
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| 14:37.56 | haste | industrial: linked it earlier! it's hillarious tho' :P |
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| 14:59.03 | MSND | Hey all... |
| 14:59.18 | MSND | it's been some time since I played Wow and I am stepping back in... |
| 14:59.40 | MSND | is there a good recommendation for a Mac addon like the old HUD? |
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| 15:02.11 | kaso | Almost every addon will work on mac as well as it would on windows, so just check out some general Addon recommendation threads on forums (wow forums, wowi/curse forums) and there will be lots of suggestions |
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| 15:03.21 | MSND | right on. Thanks for the help |
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| 15:13.13 | nicoli_s | are there any addons that dont work the same on both mac and pc? |
| 15:14.21 | Fisker | questhelper crashed on mac at some point i believe |
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| 15:15.21 | kaso | nicoli_s: We'll i was covering my back a bit, but i know addons that use !addonname in their folder name to ensure they load first don't work right in linux due to the difference in filesystem sorting, im not sure how HFS+ sorts but i presume it'll be more like linux than windows |
| 15:15.50 | kaso | s/'ll/ll/ |
| 15:16.30 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 15:17.07 | Fisker | didn't Blizzard make some changes so that the load order was irrelevant? |
| 15:17.29 | kaso | Maybe, my memory is a little old, so it might have been fixed by now |
| 15:21.19 | alestane | So, $9 in parts and a spare split-ring later, toilet flushes properly again. |
| 15:22.31 | kaso | i correct myself; osx will sort !zzzz first |
| 15:22.53 | kaso | however linux will sort it last |
| 15:23.06 | Fisker | aww man alestane |
| 15:23.12 | Fisker | i could've checked your plumbing too |
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| 15:29.09 | Fisker | i wonder if alestane is engaged in a cold shower currently |
| 15:31.11 | alestane | I'm not even going to ask why you would think that. |
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| 15:31.26 | Fisker | i asked to check your plumbing |
| 15:31.29 | sylvanaar_atwork | facebook places = scary |
| 15:31.30 | Fisker | and you didn't respond |
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| 15:32.11 | alestane | I did not. |
| 15:32.27 | alestane | I will not even pretend to be skilled at the kinds of games you play. |
| 15:34.53 | Fisker | what games? |
| 15:34.56 | Fisker | i want to fuck you |
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| 15:38.37 | alestane | Get used to disappointment. |
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| 16:19.06 | [Wobin] | sylvanaar_atwork: you've turned it off, right? |
| 16:19.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | yep |
| 16:19.18 | [Wobin] | and turned off the ability for people to 'tag' you |
| 16:19.46 | nevcairiel | its on by default? |
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| 16:19.52 | nevcairiel | And you didnt instantly delete your account? |
| 16:19.53 | Wobin | yes =P |
| 16:19.55 | nevcairiel | Whats up with you? =P |
| 16:20.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/35082/how-to-disable-facebook-places |
| 16:21.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | fortunately the first time someone tries to tag you, you have to allow it |
| 16:21.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | but if you do, then its on after that |
| 16:22.20 | nevcairiel | why do you have to? |
| 16:22.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | you dont |
| 16:22.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | you get the option |
| 16:22.48 | sylvanaar_atwork | to allow it |
| 16:22.49 | nevcairiel | ah, i understand |
| 16:22.51 | Lopeppeppy | thankfully |
| 16:23.14 | Fisker | my lold face Lopeppeppy |
| 16:23.29 | Lopeppeppy | I knew someething smelled horrible in here. |
| 16:23.32 | nevcairiel | is that page still up that shows homes that are currently empty for being robbed based on foursquare? |
| 16:23.39 | nicoli_s | gd facebook, why cant they just make everything opt in |
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| 16:23.55 | Fisker | i don't have sweatyarmpitsinaclosetoip |
| 16:27.22 | Fisker | duh nicoli_s |
| 16:27.34 | Fisker | obviously it all works on the fact that users are stupid/trusting |
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| 16:35.38 | Shirik_ | soooo |
| 16:35.43 | Shirik_ | I like, came in an hour and a half late today |
| 16:35.58 | Shirik_ | and I may be like the second person in my department to arrive |
| 16:36.19 | Wobin | Shirik_: this is only an issue if the first person was your boss |
| 16:36.29 | Shirik_ | my boss is out today :) |
| 16:36.35 | Wobin | win |
| 16:37.22 | Fisker | Shirik_ |
| 16:37.23 | Fisker | hey hey |
| 16:37.33 | Fisker | why did you come in an hour and a half? |
| 16:38.07 | Wobin | cause he's got stamina |
| 16:38.28 | Fisker | ooh ooh |
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| 16:40.34 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-qqo *!*@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se *!~cide@* eir] by eir |
| 16:41.12 | Shirik_ | why was cide banned? |
| 16:41.25 | Fisker | because he spammed |
| 16:41.29 | Fisker | and EDI is back |
| 16:41.30 | Fisker | IN HELL |
| 16:41.41 | Shirik_ | ~fail Cide |
| 16:41.41 | purl | Cide: FAIL! |
| 16:41.54 | Fisker | ~fail Shirik_ imo |
| 16:41.54 | purl | Shirik_ imo: FAIL! |
| 16:41.57 | Fisker | also |
| 16:42.01 | Fisker | ~debug.failrik() |
| 16:42.02 | purl | error("FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!"); |
| 16:42.29 | the-golem | poor Shirik ^^ |
| 16:46.52 | wereHamster | Shirik_: spammed where? |
| 16:47.40 | Shirik_ | ? |
| 16:47.57 | wereHamster | sorry, fisker said that |
| 16:49.49 | Fisker | it was yesterday or so |
| 16:50.54 | wereHamster | and he got banned now? Wow, that's a prompt response |
| 16:50.59 | Fisker | no |
| 16:51.02 | Fisker | he got unbanned now |
| 16:51.05 | Shirik_ | ew |
| 16:51.11 | Shirik_ | ScytheBlade1: Have you looked at A6 records at all? |
| 16:51.23 | Shirik_ | it seems like an awful idea |
| 16:51.29 | Shirik_ | like a great concept but awful idea |
| 16:57.05 | Cide | Shirik_: I didn't spam |
| 16:57.25 | Shirik_ | obviously EDI thinks you did |
| 16:57.33 | Cide | it was 3 lines over like 10 seconds |
| 16:57.45 | Cide | 1) ~notepad++-- 2) ~karma notepad++ 3) ~karma notepad++ |
| 16:58.46 | Shirik_ | how about 4 lines? |
| 16:59.16 | Cide | can't remember but possible |
| 16:59.29 | Cide | the fourth line was text-y in that case though |
| 16:59.35 | Cide | i.e. regular english |
| 16:59.38 | Shirik_ | ~notepad++-- |
| 16:59.42 | Shirik_ | ~karma notepad++ |
| 16:59.42 | purl | notepad++ has karma of -2 |
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| 16:59.58 | Fisker | your bot fucking sucks |
| 17:00.11 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-qq *!*@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik *!4128dca7@*] by Shirik_ |
| 17:00.14 | Shirik_ | I believe you can't count |
| 17:00.17 | Cide | I only did 3 iirc |
| 17:00.41 | Cide | Adys did ~notepad++-- before me |
| 17:00.45 | Cide | ~logs |
| 17:00.46 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily |
| 17:00.47 | Shirik_ | irrelevant |
| 17:01.17 | Cide | 16:37.33Cide~karma notepad++ |
| 17:01.17 | Cide | 16:37.33purlnotepad++ has neutral karma |
| 17:01.17 | Cide | 16:37.39Cide~notepad++-- |
| 17:01.17 | Cide | 16:37.47Cide-_- |
| 17:01.17 | Cide | 16:37.51Cide~karma notepad++ |
| 17:01.21 | Fisker | die Cide |
| 17:01.24 | Fisker | die die die |
| 17:01.45 | Fisker | [18:37:39] <+Cide> ~karma notepad++ [18:37:44] <+Cide> ~notepad++-- [18:37:45] <+Cide> ~karma notepad++ [18:37:53] <+Cide> -_- [18:37:56] <+Cide> ~karma notepad++ |
| 17:01.52 | Fisker | that's 3 last i counted |
| 17:02.01 | Cide | that's four |
| 17:02.10 | Cide | but over almost 20 seconds |
| 17:02.21 | Fisker | brb 24 hours |
| 17:02.21 | Shirik_ | why did you break it |
| 17:02.24 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:02.27 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:02.27 | Cide | hm? |
| 17:02.29 | Fisker | Shirik  |
| 17:02.41 | Fisker | roadhouse |
| 17:03.19 | Shirik_ | btw Cide +q doesn't work on you because you're +v |
| 17:03.25 | Cide | was wondering what it did |
| 17:03.32 | Cide | so it's "quiet" but not for voiced? |
| 17:03.34 | Shirik_ | +m is the same as +q *!*@* |
| 17:03.35 | Cide | voiced/ops |
| 17:03.44 | Cide | ah |
| 17:03.49 | Cide | selective moderation |
| 17:04.29 | Cide | still fail |
| 17:04.35 | Cide | Fisker didn't get muted just now |
| 17:04.49 | Cide | did it not like my non-alpha characters? |
| 17:04.58 | Shirik_ | Fisker intentionally didn't get muted |
| 17:05.00 | Shirik_ | but I won't tell him why |
| 17:05.07 | Shirik_ | security through obscurity ftw |
| 17:05.10 | Cide | lol |
| 17:05.19 | Cide | I still think my filter is the best |
| 17:05.23 | Cide | not that I can remember what it does |
| 17:05.52 | Shirik_ | your filter might have trapped you |
| 17:05.59 | Fisker | Shirik_ it's not security through obscurity |
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| 17:06.37 | Cide | I wish html had templates |
| 17:06.44 | Cide | like xslt |
| 17:06.56 | nevcairiel | there is a minimal line length you have to cross for it to count repetitions, maybe shirik is just short enough |
| 17:06.58 | Shirik_ | HTML is not XML |
| 17:07.03 | Cide | who cares? |
| 17:07.11 | Cide | I can do xhtml if that helps |
| 17:07.12 | Shirik_ | XSLT doesn't work well on non-XML stuff |
| 17:07.41 | Cide | I just want to be able to express complex-y structures with less redundant markup |
| 17:07.49 | Shirik_ | so you chose XML |
| 17:07.56 | Shirik_ | why |
| 17:07.59 | Cide | what? |
| 17:08.20 | Shirik_ | I must be misunderstanding what you're saying |
| 17:08.36 | Cide | my use case is that I have a website with an HTML structure |
| 17:08.39 | Cide | which is kinda complex |
| 17:08.45 | Cide | and I want to create more with javascript |
| 17:08.59 | Cide | but wtb a more terse way of doing it |
| 17:09.11 | Cide | dom manipulation for a structure that's like 20 elements sucks |
| 17:11.25 | Cide | fortunately django saves my ass but requires more bandwidth |
| 17:11.42 | Fisker | what you're doing is wrong |
| 17:11.48 | Fisker | like child molestion, terrorism, etc. |
| 17:11.49 | Cide | arguably |
| 17:12.04 | Fisker | i can even godwin it |
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| 17:17.00 | Shirik_ | my mom is so awful at text messaging |
| 17:17.10 | Shirik_ | she sent me a "?" randomly |
| 17:17.16 | Shirik_ | so I ask "What's with the question mark?" |
| 17:17.20 | Shirik_ | she replies with a blank message |
| 17:17.46 | wereHamster | Shirik_: whitespace encoding? |
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| 17:22.46 | nicoli_s | not true shirik, Html ~= XML |
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| 17:26.48 | Cide | <Shirik_> HTML is not XML |
| 17:27.41 | Cide | so how is that not true? |
| 17:29.38 | nicoli_s | im just fucking with him |
| 17:29.55 | Cide | umad? |
| 17:30.13 | Spejnar | ye umad brah! |
| 17:33.03 | Shirik_ | CIDE! |
| 17:33.10 | Cide | hi Shirik_ |
| 17:33.12 | Shirik_ | Did you know SC is going to support cross-region play? |
| 17:33.33 | Cide | I have never heard any solid plans for europe<->NA |
| 17:33.39 | Cide | only SEA<->NA |
| 17:33.48 | Kraps | seattle? |
| 17:33.50 | Cide | or SEA->NA rather |
| 17:33.54 | Cide | south east asia |
| 17:34.06 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, no one actually wants to interact with seattle. |
| 17:34.48 | Kraps | isnt Forks there? |
| 17:35.02 | NightHawkTheSane | no, forks is not in seattle. |
| 17:35.11 | NightHawkTheSane | typically, you don't find small towns situated inside large cities. |
| 17:35.45 | Kraps | frisco and ny have chinatown |
| 17:36.02 | NightHawkTheSane | those are not official divisions |
| 17:36.12 | Kraps | what!? |
| 17:36.35 | NightHawkTheSane | You don't address postage to "Chinatown, San Francisco, CA" |
| 17:37.23 | Kraps | dammit no wonders the checks for all those asian girls get returned |
| 17:38.25 | Cide | You must log in to Battle.net to authenticate your StarCraft II account before using the editor. |
| 17:38.25 | Cide | ??? |
| 17:38.40 | cbreak | you thief cide! |
| 17:38.47 | Cide | ? |
| 17:38.49 | Cide | thief? |
| 17:38.50 | cbreak | you wanted to use the editor without asking blizz for permission |
| 17:38.58 | Cide | I've bought the game twice already |
| 17:39.04 | cbreak | you first have to authenticate it though |
| 17:39.22 | Cide | seems reasonable enough, just surprised me |
| 17:39.26 | cbreak | I thought windows users are already used to that activation crap :( |
| 18:00.11 | mikma | http://failblog.org/2010/08/18/epic-fail-photos-customer-service-win/ |
| 18:01.57 | Fisker | no Cide |
| 18:02.18 | Fisker | Blizzard said that they intend to allow some kind of cross-region play eventually |
| 18:03.18 | Cide | yep |
| 18:05.15 | Kraps | so nobody thought to check with the council to see if that chick was really faiths watcher |
| 18:05.21 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:05.42 | Kraps | except i thought of it the minute she showed up |
| 18:06.12 | Lopeppeppy | You've got an eye for plot bunnies, Kraps. |
| 18:06.23 | Kraps | XD |
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| 18:12.22 | mikma | http://derp.cheezburger.com/2010/08/07/derpappoint/ |
| 18:13.51 | mikma | http://derp.cheezburger.com/2010/08/02/hurr-durr-derp-face-derphunt/ |
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| 18:24.17 | Fogger | Is there a way to check if a certain quest complete via console? |
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| 18:26.39 | durcyn | that may in fact be the best hostname i've ever seen, mikma |
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| 18:27.38 | Fisker | slaps durcyn around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:30.56 | Fisker | Gearscore is like an axe. In the right hands it can be a useful tool. In the wrong hands you just hope your Sunday pilates classes have strengthened your body to the point where you could deftly jump away should it be swung around to-and-fro with no regard for logical application. |
| 18:30.58 | Fisker | herp derp |
| 18:31.07 | Fisker | bashiok doesn't know shit ;3 |
| 18:31.30 | Kraps | so you know about pilates then? |
| 18:31.40 | Fisker | naw |
| 18:31.59 | Fisker | but i know that gearscore can't be a useful tool |
| 18:32.06 | Dagmar | Bashiok said that? Not bad heheh |
| 18:33.08 | Lopeppeppy | reminds me of Ghostcrawler. |
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| 18:34.23 | Dagmar | *facepalm8 |
| 18:34.32 | Dagmar | Some industries just seem to _want_ to fail, I swea |
| 18:34.32 | Dagmar | r |
| 18:34.53 | Dagmar | If "Book sales haven't increased over the last decade, and profits are being squeezed even lower by ebooks." is true, then they are doing something horribly, horribly wrong |
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| 18:35.48 | Fogger | QueryQuestsCompleted() is so unnessesary, why isnt there a boolean QuestComplete(qid) ? |
| 18:37.39 | Lopeppeppy | I left B&N just ahead of the ebook decline, and I'm soooo happy I did. |
| 18:38.06 | Dagmar | I've actually _had_ this argument with a book publisher locally |
| 18:38.17 | A-KO | ebooks are interesting....in a way, it's kinda......I dunno....the kinds of people that read books, want physical books |
| 18:38.19 | A-KO | not ebooks |
| 18:38.30 | Dagmar | I overhead him carping about ebooks at the coffee house I like, and I made him cough up some numbers |
| 18:38.35 | A-KO | there's also lots of weird limits that only benefit the industry |
| 18:38.48 | A-KO | for example, real books, you can just give to a friend to read |
| 18:38.53 | A-KO | ebooks, they would have to buy it |
| 18:39.25 | A-KO | great for the industry, but not great for the millions and millions of people that accept books in the other way. |
| 18:39.33 | Dagmar | A-ko: I read books, and I have no real desire to keep collecting things which may eventually be listed as the cause of "death by smoke inhalation" |
| 18:39.51 | Dagmar | One fancy bookcase is plenty for me |
| 18:39.58 | A-KO | lol |
| 18:40.16 | Dagmar | You laugh, but a former housemate of mine had over 1,000 paperbacks |
| 18:40.27 | Dagmar | When he moved it took quite some time to pack all of them up |
| 18:40.50 | Dagmar | NOW he stores them wrapped in flame retardants |
| 18:40.53 | A-KO | the other thing that kinda sucks about ebooks is you lose the physical thing....you know....I mean, there's just that physical impression of the book's look and feel you completely lose. |
| 18:40.56 | A-KO | it's a paradigm shift |
| 18:41.24 | A-KO | I have the Stormrage book, physical hardcover |
| 18:41.31 | A-KO | just something nice about a hardcover you don't get with ebooks |
| 18:41.39 | Lopeppeppy | I want the physical book. I won't be buying an e-reader, no matter how portable/convenient it is. |
| 18:42.25 | Dagmar | You shoudlnt' have to buy a special device just to read books, tho'. |
| 18:42.29 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: agreed |
| 18:42.35 | A-KO | no matter how convenient it is, could you imagine walking into a person's "library" that doesn't actually have a "library"? it's a HUGE culture shift |
| 18:42.44 | A-KO | that's another thing |
| 18:42.46 | A-KO | the different formats |
| 18:42.50 | A-KO | each vendor wants their own to be king |
| 18:43.13 | Dagmar | I've got a machine called lycaeum here. |
| 18:43.25 | Dagmar | It's got ORA bookshelf loaded on it, just for starters |
| 18:43.25 | A-KO | I think there would be much greater acceptance if they standardized on a single digital format, and then no matter which device you buy, you can read the format. |
| 18:43.27 | A-KO | one book, one format |
| 18:43.38 | Dagmar | There's about 200 pounds of books, right there. |
| 18:43.56 | A-KO | none of this "well I've got my ipad but I can't read the books I bought on my kindle because they don't interoperate" |
| 18:44.23 | A-KO | and "oh well the kindle market has X book I want but I don't have a kindle device" |
| 18:44.26 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 18:44.36 | A-KO | it's really fucking stupid |
| 18:44.47 | A-KO | if they want any form of acceptance of ebooks they need to stop the petty bullshit :P |
| 18:44.56 | Dagmar | Agreed |
| 18:45.22 | A-KO | it's like |
| 18:45.25 | Dagmar | They're probably all going to have to be facing bankruptcy up close and personal-like for them to see that tho |
| 18:45.25 | A-KO | you can buy a book |
| 18:45.39 | A-KO | you can read a book as many times as you want, store it for relaly like a hundred years if you wanted |
| 18:45.41 | A-KO | give it to friends |
| 18:45.42 | A-KO | take it anywhere |
| 18:45.49 | A-KO | sell it on ebay when you're done |
| 18:45.59 | A-KO | donate it to a public library |
| 18:46.00 | zenzelezz | "Star Wars Fans Look For Love In Alderaan Places" |
| 18:46.02 | Dagmar | Have you had any 100 year old books in your hands? |
| 18:46.05 | A-KO | yes |
| 18:46.09 | A-KO | in fact |
| 18:46.10 | A-KO | 200+ |
| 18:46.18 | A-KO | there's a few bookstores in Harpers Ferry, WV that sell them |
| 18:46.23 | Dagmar | How well were they holding up without special treatment? |
| 18:46.35 | Dagmar | I know paperbacks don't live that long gracefully |
| 18:46.40 | A-KO | many of them pretty well |
| 18:46.53 | A-KO | that said |
| 18:46.56 | A-KO | they weren't al lthat fancy |
| 18:46.59 | A-KO | nothing super special |
| 18:47.02 | A-KO | just some old books more or less |
| 18:47.05 | A-KO | but it was kinda cool |
| 18:47.16 | A-KO | the older older stuff they had wrapped up |
| 18:47.23 | A-KO | but you could easily just pull a book from the 1860s right off the shelf and read it |
| 18:47.26 | A-KO | it was pretty cool |
| 18:47.59 | Lopeppeppy | Historical archives are fun to work in. :) Old books are neat. |
| 18:48.28 | zenzelezz | oh, don't know if it was brought up already, but given the current discussion... |
| 18:48.30 | zenzelezz | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/08/20/136218/Will-Amazon-Put-Advertisements-In-eBooks |
| 18:48.35 | A-KO | hahahahahahahaha |
| 18:48.37 | A-KO | GOOD FUCKING LUCK |
| 18:48.48 | A-KO | all I gotta say about that |
| 18:48.51 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Yeah that's the article that's got me irked. |
| 18:49.08 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: ah, sorry; didn't catch all of the conversation |
| 18:49.35 | Dagmar | Them saying profits are being squeezed lower amounts to either lunacy, or they're expecting no one else knows how much money goes where |
| 18:49.39 | TC-Work | A-KO: what i am wating for is when they come out with what pheels like a physical book but has a memory card slot on the spine and the pages dynamically arrange the words of the book you inserted. |
| 18:49.47 | TC-Work | feels* |
| 18:50.11 | A-KO | TC-Work: that would be interesting, with physical "pages" that you turn back and forth that change the pages as you flip |
| 18:50.12 | A-KO | :P |
| 18:50.30 | A-KO | it'll happen one day |
| 18:50.34 | A-KO | we just need e-ink tech to really take off |
| 18:50.42 | A-KO | or oled |
| 18:50.57 | A-KO | something that doesn't require a backlight, can handle itself well in any lighting condition |
| 18:51.05 | A-KO | there is one really nice thing about ebook readers |
| 18:51.24 | TC-Work | uh, books cant handle themselves in any lightning condition |
| 18:51.27 | A-KO | one of the problems I always have with a physical book is lighting--I like to read at night, put myself to sleep, or whatever--a real book you need some sort of light source, interruptiong others. |
| 18:51.31 | TC-Work | lighting* |
| 18:51.46 | TC-Work | i cant fall asleep with a book :( |
| 18:51.53 | A-KO | TC-Work: I was thinking more outside lighting, since screens don't handle well outside usually |
| 18:52.04 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.23 | Lopeppeppy | I'm told that the Kindle does well outdoors, A-KO. |
| 18:52.25 | A-KO | it's nice to be able to pick up my iphone and start reading an ebook while lying down, with all the lights off |
| 18:52.35 | A-KO | and put the phone down when I'm done, light goes out |
| 18:52.41 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: yeah those screens are freaking awesome for daylight conditions |
| 18:52.43 | A-KO | I don't have to change positions, rustle around in bed to switch off a light, etc. |
| 18:52.45 | TC-Work | no pun intended? |
| 18:53.07 | A-KO | Lopeppeppy: sure but then you run into the other situations we have :P |
| 18:53.26 | A-KO | it's just, I really don't like the idea of these walled-gardens that the vendors want to create |
| 18:53.28 | A-KO | it's just really dumb |
| 18:53.35 | A-KO | I know why they want to do it |
| 18:53.40 | A-KO | and I hold up a big middle finger to them |
| 18:54.42 | A-KO | it's like, if half of the library you like is on one vendor, and half of the library you like is on another vendor, you end up having to carry 2 devices around to read whatever books you like...or what if a publisher switches vendors? or what if a writer switches vendors? but the rights to publish on one device stayed for the older series of books, while say the 2nd half went to the new |
| 18:54.42 | A-KO | vendor? |
| 18:55.21 | Lopeppeppy | Could happen, A-KO, if they switch publishing houses. |
| 18:55.24 | A-KO | yeah |
| 18:55.33 | A-KO | it's pretty stupid |
| 18:55.36 | A-KO | and until they overcome that |
| 18:55.37 | A-KO | screw them |
| 18:55.40 | A-KO | I know they want to be dicks about it ;P |
| 18:55.42 | A-KO | but fuck 'em |
| 18:56.09 | A-KO | those are very serious and real concerns that are completely avoided when it comes to having physical books you buy in a book store |
| 18:56.20 | A-KO | who cares if they switch publishers mid-series, right? you still go to the same bookstore and buy the next book |
| 18:56.24 | A-KO | regardless of who's publishing it |
| 18:56.59 | A-KO | they would never allow such a thing because they all want to extract as much money as physically possible from you |
| 18:58.30 | Lunessa | http://failbook.com/2010/08/18/funny-facebook-fails-a-very-historic-fail/ |
| 18:58.38 | A-KO | they need a single ebook format, all publishers sell in their own ebook format, and all devices read that format. Kind of puts a layer between device and publisher. And with no drm. |
| 18:58.45 | A-KO | they won't ever agree to it, which is why they'll fail horribly |
| 18:58.56 | A-KO | err sell in that ebook format* |
| 19:00.22 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa: Whatever. :) |
| 19:00.33 | Lunessa | Noooooooo |
| 19:03.23 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 19:04.48 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:05.00 | alestane | RAWR, Lopeppeppy. |
| 19:05.55 | Lopeppeppy | purrs happily |
| 19:07.00 | alestane | A dino purring must be an interesting sound. |
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| 19:07.16 | alestane | Kind of like a contented hydroelectric turbine. |
| 19:12.13 | Fisker | http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey <-lold |
| 19:12.21 | Fisker | Steam 100.00% |
| 19:12.23 | Fisker | you don't say |
| 19:12.32 | Fisker | Of all steam users surveyed, they all had steam installed? |
| 19:13.36 | Cide | probably just a double-check to make sure the algorithm is working properly |
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| 19:20.05 | Lopeppeppy | I shall make that my gmail status, alestane! |
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| 19:31.15 | alestane | huggles Lopeppeppy, purrs, rawrs and all. |
| 19:31.50 | Kraps | amazing how everyone manages to break up in the same episode |
| 19:33.06 | Fisker | you |
| 19:33.07 | Fisker | me |
| 19:33.09 | Fisker | everyone |
| 19:33.10 | Fisker | gentlemen |
| 19:34.58 | TC-Work | my breakup with Fisker was a real tear jerker |
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| 19:41.33 | alestane | Not sure what the story here is: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19806.html |
| 19:43.52 | Kraps | alestane: werewolf? |
| 19:44.07 | Fisker | no me? |
| 19:45.38 | Fisker | oh wait |
| 19:45.39 | alestane | This is one of those "I'm pretty sure they made it up" ones: http://notalwaysright.com/cinnamon-puns/6632 |
| 19:46.07 | Fisker | always bet on duke alestane |
| 19:46.36 | Lunessa | they're trying to kill me here. |
| 19:46.45 | Fisker | i wish |
| 19:48.04 | cbreak | http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/ |
| 19:49.00 | mikma | haste + wobin : http://www.geekologie.com/2010/08/death_by_deliciousness_burger.php |
| 19:49.14 | Fisker | but why not me? |
| 19:50.21 | haste | mikma: I could so go for one of those rightn ow |
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| 19:50.41 | Fisker | tonight you will be betting on duke haste |
| 19:50.43 | mikma | haste: you might wanna get yourself stoned before that, too |
| 19:52.39 | alestane | Assault with a deadly stupid, Lunessa? |
| 19:52.57 | mikma | haste: screw you, http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/e25b/ |
| 19:53.24 | Fisker | did you bet on duke alestane ? |
| 19:53.31 | Lunessa | alestane: More like ... the day before classes start, and they renamed a domain controller... and now everything is fubar |
| 19:53.39 | haste | mikma: needs more images~ |
| 19:54.08 | Fisker | renamed a domain controller? |
| 19:54.16 | Fisker | I didn't even think Windows allowed that anymore |
| 19:54.33 | Fisker | this is my wat face :E |
| 19:56.24 | alestane | puts 50 hoocairzemes down on the General Lee making it over the washed-out bridge. |
| 19:58.59 | Lunessa | Blue canary in the outlet by the light switch, who watches over you? Make a little birdhouse in your soul! |
| 20:00.34 | A-KO | You know |
| 20:00.38 | A-KO | they really should remake the Quake 2 story |
| 20:00.49 | A-KO | with a new, updated game |
| 20:01.35 | haste | like quake revolution tried to? |
| 20:01.39 | haste | oh wait |
| 20:01.42 | A-KO | more like |
| 20:01.44 | haste | they actually made their own |
| 20:02.58 | Cide | quake 2 had a story? |
| 20:03.16 | A-KO | well, it had the beginnings of what could have been a really cool one |
| 20:03.22 | A-KO | :P |
| 20:03.55 | haste | quake 2 had a "ton" of cutscene stuff |
| 20:05.15 | haste | quake 2 evolution seems gone from the internet now ;( |
| 20:05.29 | haste | a search yielded http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-256209637758950618# however :D:D |
| 20:07.08 | Lopeppeppy | Green finch and linnet bird,/Nightingale, blackbird,/How is it you sing? |
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| 20:10.26 | Fisker | haste |
| 20:10.34 | haste | Fisker: |
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| 20:10.36 | Fisker | i have lost all hope in humanity |
| 20:10.37 | Fisker | http://ekstrabladet.dk/nationen/article1393963.ece |
| 20:11.25 | haste | heh |
| 20:11.38 | Fisker | maybe someday he'll learn about having a single external ip with several users attached that have probably been doing their journalistic research on google and wikipedia |
| 20:13.34 | Dagmar | Damn crazy fishman language |
| 20:14.57 | Fisker | not crazy at all :( |
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| 20:16.46 | haste | Fisker: let's play aq2! |
| 20:16.56 | Dagmar | I'm sayin' it's crazy because after awhile you start to recognize enough words to be able to get at least a vague idea of what's going on, barring languages in completely alien charsets (like CJK, etc) |
| 20:17.05 | Dagmar | ...except that one has remained utterly opaque to me |
| 20:17.17 | Fisker | aq2? |
| 20:17.23 | haste | Fisker: video above! |
| 20:17.38 | Dagmar | Let's um _not_ play Adventure Quest 2 |
| 20:17.46 | haste | Action Quake 2 |
| 20:17.46 | Fisker | oh no |
| 20:18.23 | Fisker | The Opera > AHL > AQ2 |
| 20:18.29 | haste | wat |
| 20:18.36 | haste | AHL was shit |
| 20:18.49 | Fisker | no u |
| 20:18.55 | haste | wnoders if there's any game he has played more than aq2. |
| 20:18.57 | Fisker | though i guess you were right |
| 20:19.18 | haste | I still play it once in a while |
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| 20:22.39 | Fisker | Shirik_ |
| 20:22.41 | Fisker | hey hey |
| 20:22.48 | Shirik_ | Fisker: hey hey |
| 20:22.59 | Fisker | duke |
| 20:23.01 | Fisker | bet on him |
| 20:24.47 | Dagmar | haste: Have you asked Steam? It probably knows. :) |
| 20:24.58 | Dagmar | After all, 100% of Steam users have it installed. |
| 20:29.30 | NightHawkTheSane | training new people totally kills my productivity |
| 20:31.19 | Dagmar | You're not training them to do your work? |
| 20:32.03 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, no. While I'm kind of overseeing them, its different than the stuff I'm doing. |
| 20:45.31 | Shirik_ | Ackis: .... ping |
| 20:45.40 | Shirik_ | Ackis: |
| 20:45.48 | Shirik_ | Ackis: Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis |
| 20:46.00 | Shirik_ | I just found something out about you that I never knew!! |
| 20:46.06 | haste | oh shi- |
| 20:46.21 | Shirik_ | it has to be him |
| 20:46.29 | Shirik_ | I found him on a forum :) |
| 20:46.43 | Shirik_ | I mean seriously how many Ackises from Canada can there be |
| 20:46.45 | Dagmar | Remember, request _unmarked_ bills. |
| 20:47.14 | Cide | we don't want to hear about your ventures on adultoverload |
| 20:47.37 | Cide | surprisingly enough that's actually not a porn site |
| 20:47.39 | NightHawkTheSane | well, cide does, he's just pretending. but the rest of us really don'ty |
| 20:47.42 | Cide | surprisingly enough it doesn't even exist |
| 20:48.00 | Shirik_ | quickly! |
| 20:48.00 | Shirik_ | take it |
| 20:48.17 | Cide | well .com is taken but just shows a 404 page |
| 20:48.34 | Cide | well not 404, Forbidden |
| 20:48.46 | Shirik_ | so 403 |
| 20:48.53 | Cide | yeah, couldn't remember the code |
| 20:49.05 | Shirik_ | even though it says 403 Forbidden? |
| 20:49.10 | Cide | it doesn't |
| 20:49.26 | Cide | oh, the title does |
| 20:49.29 | Cide | I was looking at the header |
| 20:49.40 | Cide | stfu |
| 20:53.40 | haste | Dagmar: asked steam about what? |
| 20:53.54 | haste | reaction time! I has it. |
| 20:53.56 | Cide | ";".join([",".join([str(i) for i in obj]) for obj in data]) |
| 20:54.00 | Cide | win |
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| 20:57.12 | Lunessa | "The Snow Leopard Graphics Update contains stability and performance fixes for graphics applications and games, including fixes that: resolve an issue that could cause Aperture 3 or StarCraft II to unexpectedly quit or become unresponsive." Heh. |
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| 21:09.25 | TC-Work | heh 30% of the people with steam have utorrent |
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| 21:11.28 | p3lim | what is MRU behaviour? |
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| 21:41.36 | Shirik_ | sooo quiet |
| 21:42.31 | Fisker | slaps Shirik_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:42.33 | Fisker | slaps Shirik_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:43.34 | Arrowmaster | getting a $5000 bounty in RDR takes a while..... |
| 21:44.01 | Arrowmaster | i killed the entire town and there is nobody left to kill....... |
| 22:08.59 | Shirik_ | ........ |
| 22:09.11 | Shirik_ | today is my last day, and I just got assigned a training I need to complete |
| 22:09.15 | Dagmar | EROFL |
| 22:10.06 | amro | Arrowmaster: btw, thanks for the tip on seitokai no ichizon |
| 22:10.22 | Arrowmaster | its fucking hilarious isnt it |
| 22:10.27 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Remember the place where you got the mission to go pick up the opiates? |
| 22:10.40 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: maybe |
| 22:10.41 | Dagmar | Climb the hell up on the roof of that place and start sniping. Army guys show up |
| 22:10.41 | amro | I'm only halfway through the first ep but yeah it's awesome |
| 22:10.58 | amro | I liked the fourth wall breaking intro |
| 22:11.01 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: im just camping the amadillo docs office right now |
| 22:11.17 | Dagmar | You just gotta basically find somewhere that mounted victims can show up on a regular basis and take yer time |
| 22:11.30 | Dagmar | ...and having a lot of ammo... very important. :) |
| 22:11.55 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: ive got a save right now at $1500 or so |
| 22:11.55 | Dagmar | The mounted part will probably make itself obvious at some point |
| 22:12.02 | Amarande | btw, anyone know if the servers that were buggered last night are fixed yet? |
| 22:12.19 | Dagmar | (shooting horses can refresh your wanted timer) |
| 22:12.35 | Amarande | I think it was pretty much everything in Stormstrike battlegroup, and I think one other as well |
| 22:12.42 | Dagmar | When I got done, you would *not* have wanted to walk down that street tho |
| 22:12.55 | amro | you underestimate me |
| 22:15.22 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: el matadero right? |
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| 22:19.21 | Dagmar | Not sure. Looked like a Taco Bell to me |
| 22:19.56 | Dagmar | If it's got an upstairs, and a sort of rooftop balcony thing overlooking a fountain, you're in the right place |
| 22:20.51 | Dagmar | Bonnie's Barn was the other place I had moderate success with, but guys come from all directions there |
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| 22:39.47 | Arrowmaster | 2554, half way |
| 22:43.54 | Arrowmaster | this is actually working out really well, im hiding in the docs office in armadillo and when i kill all the lawmen i just use a horse dead to save then load the game and check if either the marshalls are after me or the sherrif respawned |
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| 23:05.42 | Cide | Shirik_: ping |
| 23:06.58 | Cide | Esamynn|Away: ping |
| 23:08.47 | Maldivia | Adys, patch :P |
| 23:09.27 | Adys | Maldivia: aye |
| 23:09.35 | Adys | Im done with the new format |
| 23:09.36 | Maldivia | 12803 :P |
| 23:09.46 | Maldivia | nice |
| 23:15.54 | Amarande | heh, I was going to queue for bc heroics and ended up queuing for sh normal ... when did I leave that one selected heh |
| 23:17.37 | Amarande | note to people in SH |
| 23:17.42 | Amarande | please, PLEASE don't die in the slime area ok? |
| 23:17.47 | Amarande | it's a PAIN IN THE ASS to rez you. |
| 23:18.02 | Amarande | I think we spent about five minutes trying to rez that guy. |
| 23:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ... thats when you move on and say "tough luck, run back, and don't fuck up this time." |
| 23:21.21 | NightHawkTheSane | and keep going without the idiot. |
| 23:23.56 | Amarande | Night: I considered it |
| 23:24.06 | Amarande | but we'd already had a DPS bail, and we didn't get a new one until we were at the gladiator pits area |
| 23:24.26 | Amarande | granted my disc healer is sick powerful in BC normals but I'm not sure I want to 1 DPS things :) |
| 23:28.14 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're good enough to do heroics, you should be fine with zero dps, really. |
| 23:29.19 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Amarelya <--- the healer |
| 23:29.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont care |
| 23:29.54 | Amarande | yeah I've healed as far up as azjol-nerub normal at 70, so yeah I possibly could have gone with zero dps :) |
| 23:30.20 | NightHawkTheSane | simple abstract statement: any tank & healer who can handle heroics with a normal group, should be able to handle the normal version with no more than 1 dps, probably zero. |
| 23:34.13 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder at what point in northrend I'll be replacing the primal mooncloth set on a healer |
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| 23:43.24 | the-golem | is there an frame:IsVisible() or other way to check whether a frame is shown or not? |
| 23:44.01 | the-golem | yes, yes there is ^^ |
| 23:45.08 | Amarande | btw, any idea why elitist armory always shows triple your number of tharon'ja kills under your heroic experience? |
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| 23:52.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: Probably accounting for all the times we blew him away before they started tracking it |
| 23:53.43 | Dagmar | Plus, it's the silliest sounding boss in the game. |
| 23:54.08 | Dagmar | He sounds like those fag bikers from South Park when he dies |
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