| 00:00.05 | Wobin | "Let me just rotate my joystick eighty times one direction...." |
| 00:00.32 | KarlKFI|work | at least they didn't parody Voldo |
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| 00:00.53 | Wobin | doesn't he do a good enough job on his own? |
| 00:01.12 | KarlKFI|work | i dont think real people bend that way |
| 00:01.21 | Wobin | well sure they can |
| 00:01.28 | Wobin | (they just don't bend -back-...) |
| 00:01.45 | kd3|netbook | meh. at least my laptop's staying charged... 3/4 classes have laptop-enabled desks |
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| 00:05.11 | NightHawkTheSane | "laptop-enabled"? what does that mean, a plug and network cable? |
| 00:05.29 | NightHawkTheSane | or, rather, outlet, not plug, but yea |
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| 00:38.10 | laeg | is there an addon that will let me look up items so i can get a tooltip on them, and a mod that will let me look up npcs and show me there location and coordinates? |
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| 00:43.42 | Kraps | what http://clientsfromhell.net/post/948467341/i-keep-looking-at-this-website-and-it-just-isnt |
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| 00:51.53 | Shirik | ok so I just called UPS asking them why my package is delayed |
| 00:52.11 | Shirik | customer service is like "um.... I have no idea why. There's no information about why it would be delayed and it's already in Portland." |
| 00:53.29 | Dagmar | The nice man didn't put it on the truck. |
| 00:55.39 | batrick | i know why it was delayed shirik |
| 00:56.39 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Shirik. |
| 00:57.57 | Kraps | Dagmar: did you recommend the foundation series to me? |
| 00:58.03 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 00:58.35 | Jerub | sigh, foundation. |
| 00:59.07 | Kraps | i read the first 3 not including prelude, epic stuff |
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| 01:06.07 | theorbtwo | Right. Now go read Forward the Foundation. |
| 01:09.00 | Dagmar | Yup. Very epic. |
| 01:09.27 | Dagmar | ...and to think, the author was also a world-reknown astrophysicist. |
| 01:10.12 | Dagmar | Still freaks me out that he taught biochem |
| 01:15.37 | Shirik | want to hear something scary? |
| 01:15.46 | Cide | yes |
| 01:15.47 | Shirik | google mail picks out UPS tracking numbers from emails and turns them into links on the sidebar |
| 01:16.00 | Lopeppeppy | ... eeew. |
| 01:16.01 | Cide | how is that scary? |
| 01:16.02 | Dagmar | Yep. Fedex, too. |
| 01:16.05 | Dagmar | Been doin' that for awhile |
| 01:16.13 | Cide | that's what I call convenient |
| 01:16.45 | Cide | people have strange privacy concerns |
| 01:17.07 | Cide | if you find automatic and non-human parsing of UPS tracking numbers scary, don't SAVE ALL YOUR EMAILS IN GOOGLE'S DATABASE IN THE FIRST PLACE |
| 01:17.09 | Dagmar | The messed up thing is that it knows them so well you can just paste them into the awesome bar and it pops up a link asking "Look up this UPS tracking number?" |
| 01:17.12 | Cide | ^ not saying you do shirik |
| 01:17.25 | Dagmar | doesn't really try and search the number |
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| 01:18.03 | Cide | if you find it scary you should also consider not using email hosts that parse links into clickable links, since that's on the same level |
| 01:18.22 | Cide | christ, selective paranoia ftl |
| 01:18.28 | Cide | </rant> |
| 01:18.33 | Dagmar | Just wait until they release GoogleRoulette. The things that'll be on the sidebar will amaze and horrify |
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| 01:50.19 | Shirik | cide, it's not like I have a problem with it |
| 01:50.26 | Shirik | it's more of a "why does google know so much about what I want" |
| 01:50.30 | Cide | yeah I know |
| 01:50.38 | Cide | just in general |
| 01:50.40 | Cide | lots of people do |
| 01:50.44 | Shirik | I mean, that's their whole marketing strategy |
| 01:50.47 | Shirik | but still |
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| 01:52.55 | kd3 | ooh it feels good to be back at school |
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| 01:53.17 | kd3 | even though it was the first day, so much T&A... |
| 01:53.20 | Thunder_Child | lies kd3, i heard your bitching today |
| 01:53.36 | kd3 | I can bitch about campus wifi and still enjoy the sights |
| 01:53.42 | Thunder_Child | kd3: eh, your T&A is much to old |
| 01:53.55 | kd3 | 18-somethings? |
| 01:54.01 | Thunder_Child | yep, too old |
| 01:54.37 | Thunder_Child | though i am curious what the somethings is |
| 01:54.53 | kd3 | 18-19-20-year-olds |
| 01:55.29 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 01:56.48 | Wobin | 18-20 is too old? |
| 01:57.01 | Wobin | wtf kind of pedobear are you, Thunder_Child? |
| 01:57.12 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: the fun kind |
| 01:57.34 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: what can i say, young girls like me, heel there is a 16yo sleeping on my bed right now |
| 01:57.36 | Wobin | the kind that leads to chemical castration, I'd say |
| 01:57.39 | Thunder_Child | hell* |
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| 02:16.17 | sylvaan | dunno why people think you cant change the font and fontsize on the chat bubbles |
| 02:17.31 | Shirik | who people? |
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| 02:21.21 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 02:21.43 | sylvanaar | dunno, people on the addon forum |
| 02:21.52 | sylvanaar | have you seen this http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11381244&sid=1&pageNo=5 |
| 02:21.58 | sylvanaar | wait |
| 02:22.09 | sylvanaar | http://www.feverguild.com/uieditor/ |
| 02:22.36 | kd3 | no, I'm not installing silverlight |
| 02:22.39 | sylvanaar | i love .NET |
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| 02:23.36 | A-KO | http://vimeo.com/14159857 |
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| 02:26.13 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 02:26.29 | Fisker | holds kd3 down while installing silverlight |
| 02:26.52 | Wobin | oh I like the lua generator |
| 02:29.07 | sylvanaar | yeah, its neat |
| 02:29.32 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 02:29.34 | sylvanaar | A-KO: what kind of car did he win |
| 02:31.23 | Fisker | lol |
| 02:31.50 | Fisker | the newest scams i've been sent the scammers haven't bothered even changing the url so it looks legit |
| 02:32.05 | Fisker | they've just slapped on their fake scam url and hope that people apparently can't read |
| 02:32.08 | Fisker | O_o |
| 02:42.58 | Kraps | Fisker: cata is getting closer, they need to hurry |
| 02:43.15 | Adys | Cide! |
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| 02:59.36 | Esamynn | anyone need a beta guild invite while I'm thinking about it? US Alliance, PvE |
| 03:00.04 | cog|away | i think i need back in... |
| 03:05.31 | Yssaril | does wow care if a UTF-8 file is with or without BOM? |
| 03:06.08 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 03:14.48 | Adys | Esamynn: yes |
| 03:15.00 | Adys | lemme log in |
| 03:15.02 | Esamynn | k |
| 03:16.14 | Adys | Esamynn: adys (lost isles) |
| 03:16.30 | Esamynn | just whisper me |
| 03:17.43 | ccox | oh, good - my beta access mysteriously reappeared (getting tired of battle.net flaking out) |
| 03:18.45 | Motig | I wish beta acces mysteriously appeared on my battle.net |
| 03:18.46 | Motig | :P |
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| 03:24.39 | Kraps | juno is a pretty good movie |
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| 03:26.42 | |Jelly| | indeed |
| 03:26.52 | the-golem | hrms |
| 03:27.17 | the-golem | what's a decent processor from the i5 line? |
| 03:28.59 | Yssaril | the-golem: the one you can afford :P |
| 03:29.08 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJLrcG64ulU :D |
| 03:29.38 | the-golem | Gee, thanks for that |
| 03:29.42 | the-golem | *rolleyes* |
| 03:30.03 | Kraps | what about 500 days of summer |
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| 03:34.37 | Kraps | yep its good |
| 03:40.52 | Kraps | "they used to call me "anal girl" <spit take> "I was very neat and ...organized" |
| 03:42.15 | Wobin | Kraps: reminds me of one guy that was objecting to his forced rename of Deanalator "But my name is Dean! All my friends call me it!!" |
| 03:57.32 | Arrowmaster | im up to 34.5 gigs of original doctor who episodes |
| 03:57.42 | Arrowmaster | and still downloading |
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| 04:03.14 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: they don't have all of them available do they? |
| 04:03.50 | Arrowmaster | not where im downloading from |
| 04:04.01 | Arrowmaster | just 75-116 |
| 04:04.30 | mikma | arrowmaster: dr. who? (bad joke) |
| 04:04.55 | Wobin | mikma: "Yes" |
| 04:05.11 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.47 | Jerub | so do you think it's worth having a QQ on the forums about people who are still in-zone but on instance boot-timer being able to turn off hellscream's warsong? |
| 04:06.33 | Jerub | it caused a raid that looked very good for 8/12 to have to call it on 4/12. |
| 04:06.58 | mikma | wobin: <3 |
| 04:07.17 | Wobin | Jerub: sure |
| 04:07.17 | Dagmar | Jerub: So long as it's such an easy avenue for griefing, yes. |
| 04:07.21 | ccox | Downloaded: 670MB of 658 MB |
| 04:07.24 | ccox | er, what? |
| 04:07.30 | Wobin | ccox: you're ahead of the game! |
| 04:07.32 | Jerub | bug report or support? |
| 04:07.39 | Wobin | bug report |
| 04:07.52 | Wobin | I'd say go to support if you want recompense, but I doubt you'll get it |
| 04:08.15 | Wobin | report the bloke for griefing though |
| 04:08.23 | ccox | guessing bliz's downloader isn't accounting for corrupt/bad blocks correctly in it's completion count |
| 04:08.51 | Jerub | i don't give a crap about the recompense. |
| 04:09.03 | Jerub | and the guy who did it is now persona non-grata on dath'remar |
| 04:09.05 | Wobin | so bug report it, and report him for griefing |
| 04:09.15 | Wobin | and carry on =) |
| 04:10.11 | Arrowmaster | ah it seems im downloading http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3494674/Doctor_Who_-_Fourth_Doctor_%28Tom_Baker%29_-_Complete except im not downloading the torrent |
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| 04:11.27 | Dagmar | 34Gb of scarf. |
| 04:20.57 | Wobin | has a pretty awesome 6ft scarf |
| 04:21.02 | Wobin | I wanted a longer one |
| 04:21.09 | Wobin | but my mother ran out of wool |
| 04:22.54 | Jerub | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26435507860&postId=264329295900&sid=1#0 |
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| 04:24.34 | mikma | meh |
| 04:24.56 | mikma | driller smells like booze again |
| 04:24.57 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 04:24.59 | mikma | whoopdidoo |
| 04:25.08 | kd3 | they took most of the antechambers of ST away |
| 04:25.15 | kd3 | the instance line is at the Hall of Masks now |
| 04:26.17 | Arrowmaster | does that mean having to run more or less to get to the portal? |
| 04:26.18 | Wobin | kd3: bah |
| 04:26.22 | Wobin | less probably |
| 04:26.24 | kd3 | less |
| 04:26.33 | Arrowmaster | so bigger instance? |
| 04:26.36 | kd3 | far less, swim through the flooded room just inside, surface, take a right, boom |
| 04:26.38 | kd3 | dunno |
| 04:26.50 | kd3 | I'll see in a sec, if the next quest sends me inside |
| 04:27.28 | Xyphoid | gonna be funny if the whole upper and lower works are gone |
| 04:27.48 | Arrowmaster | that was the best part of the instance |
| 04:28.02 | Arrowmaster | the secret order to activate it |
| 04:28.41 | Jerub | oh good |
| 04:28.43 | Jerub | ST was annoying. |
| 04:28.50 | Xyphoid | and pulling eranikus without clearing all the dragonkin |
| 04:28.53 | Jerub | because everyone runs back to the grave marker |
| 04:29.01 | Arrowmaster | Xyphoid: did that at lvl 60 |
| 04:29.06 | Arrowmaster | was fucking epic |
| 04:29.09 | Xyphoid | SURPRISE! |
| 04:29.12 | Jerub | which is fine for BRD because that's where the path to BRD is and you just start running along pathways to get there |
| 04:30.33 | Arrowmaster | my friend took my 50 rogue through there with his 60 rogue (maybe it was 70 i cant remember) and after doing the rogue quest part he goes over and attacks eranikus and kills him right as the mass of dragonkin are about to kill him |
| 04:31.46 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: the best part of the brd corpse run is when people fall in the hole |
| 04:31.55 | Xyphoid | haha oh god |
| 04:31.56 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: you mean the lava? |
| 04:32.02 | Xyphoid | the hole in searing gorge |
| 04:32.10 | Arrowmaster | no the hole near the grave yard |
| 04:32.17 | Arrowmaster | that goes down into the pit |
| 04:32.28 | kd3 | ho... the antechambers are still there, they just moved up the instance line. I expect there's some teleport trickery inside that drops players off at the old instance line inside |
| 04:32.47 | Xyphoid | trying to find your way out of there if you haven't done searing gorge with the death visual effect on |
| 04:32.51 | Xyphoid | awesome |
| 04:34.55 | Arrowmaster | i remember classic MC days when having somebody new in the raid |
| 04:35.48 | Arrowmaster | after the first wipe 'hey new guy dont fall in the hole' 'what hole?' 'the one <insert guild idiot name> just fell in....' <entire guild laughing on vent> |
| 04:36.55 | Xyphoid | mm, running back after lycaeum wipes |
| 04:37.20 | Jerub | worse place to wipe? |
| 04:37.28 | Jerub | stockades as a hordie |
| 04:37.36 | Wobin | oh god yes |
| 04:37.38 | Xyphoid | eastvale is it? |
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| 04:37.45 | Jerub | Xyphoid: yep |
| 04:37.51 | Wobin | especially if you've never been an alliance |
| 04:37.58 | Jerub | might as well leave group and requeue |
| 04:38.00 | Wobin | actually deadmines is pretty bad as a hordie too |
| 04:38.08 | Jerub | deadmines is bad |
| 04:38.09 | Arrowmaster | didnt horde used to end up in a redridge gy or something |
| 04:38.09 | Jerub | but not as bad |
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| 04:38.37 | Arrowmaster | horde gy for deadmines isnt really far away at all |
| 04:38.40 | Xyphoid | where do alliance end up for wc/rfc |
| 04:38.53 | Arrowmaster | for rfc im guessing by razor hill |
| 04:39.16 | Jerub | Xyphoid: razor hill |
| 04:39.18 | Jerub | for rfc |
| 04:39.22 | Jerub | it's not a long walk |
| 04:39.30 | Jerub | wc i have no idea |
| 04:39.31 | Arrowmaster | which is still a lot fucking closer than horde have when they die in stormwind |
| 04:39.38 | Xyphoid | you won't get too lost yeah |
| 04:39.52 | Arrowmaster | wc should be same gy as horde |
| 04:40.26 | Arrowmaster | its only outside capital cities that the opposite faction doesnt have a close gy |
| 04:43.15 | Jerub | this is amazing |
| 04:43.17 | Jerub | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22050166179&sid=1 |
| 04:43.35 | Jerub | shows how much blue cares about stuff. no reply since it was complained about in '09 |
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| 04:49.17 | Jerub | hm, reply from forum person. " |
| 04:49.17 | Jerub | hm, reply from forum person. "Doesn't it give you the option to turn the buff back on after a soft raid reset? |
| 04:49.20 | Jerub | Doesn't it give you the option to turn the buff back on after a soft raid reset? |
| 04:49.23 | Jerub | ugh |
| 04:49.26 | Jerub | sorry. |
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| 04:52.28 | Dagmar | There's a soft reset? |
| 04:52.33 | kd3 | huh. the original instance line no longer exists... but it's still drawn on the minimap |
| 04:52.54 | kd3 | exit the instance. if nobody's inside for 30 minutes it'll soft reset. any respawnable trash will respawn |
| 04:52.57 | Jerub | Dagmar: that was basically my response. "please tell me the procedure for this" |
| 04:53.07 | kd3 | not that that works for dungeons, mind you |
| 04:53.23 | Jerub | kd3: that's an interesting idea. |
| 04:53.30 | Jerub | we could've gone to do ony25 or somethign |
| 04:54.22 | Dagmar | ...or ulduar |
| 04:54.35 | Xyphoid | wowhead says a soft reset fixes it |
| 04:54.38 | Jerub | Dagmar: it takes more than 30 minutes to make people not suck on the FL fight |
| 04:54.54 | Dagmar | Seriously? |
| 04:55.10 | Jerub | Dagmar: vehicle fights :( |
| 04:55.17 | Dagmar | If you're expecting to get very far in ICC I'd think you could scrounge up enough brains to manage Flame Leviatham |
| 04:55.25 | Jerub | oh doing FL is fine |
| 04:55.36 | Jerub | it's getting everyone to the fight and alive and repaired and fighting spiders and crap |
| 04:55.40 | Dagmar | "free badges lol" and go back out |
| 04:56.05 | Dagmar | Oh *that* part. |
| 04:56.20 | Dagmar | The part where, left to their own devices, everyone zergs like a jackass |
| 04:57.14 | Dagmar | I've been through there in a blisteringly short amount of time by pretty much barking at people to stop rolling forwards, and let the damn bikes pull |
| 04:57.47 | Jerub | i /really/ liked my raidleader the other night. he basically told a shithead who i've had trouble with before to shut the fuck up and let him RL |
| 04:58.05 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 04:58.23 | Jerub | (sort of jerk that announces who has an infection on festergut on vent, often after they've already gone to the tank and had it dispelled. |
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| 04:58.55 | Dagmar | Not smart enough to install DBM, huh |
| 04:59.04 | Jerub | no, probably just announcing dbm alerts |
| 04:59.22 | Dagmar | So, still not very bright then |
| 04:59.28 | Jerub | yep |
| 04:59.49 | Xyphoid | mmmm i hate it when people use vent for irrelevant information |
| 04:59.54 | Xyphoid | 'i'm at 95% threat!' |
| 04:59.57 | Jerub | ... like the soccer |
| 05:00.05 | Fisker | i wanted to sleep Jerub |
| 05:00.11 | Fisker | also kd3 are you there? |
| 05:00.14 | Kraps | "i'm autumn" /me does a facepalm of etf |
| 05:00.17 | |Jelly| | that's like 98% of everything that goes through vent though |
| 05:00.21 | Dagmar | I like to make up irrelevant combat tactics |
| 05:00.44 | kd3 | You have reached the voicemail of kd3. Please leave your name and number after the beep. |
| 05:00.45 | Jerub | this same guy, i had to swear at so he (dead) would stop talking to someone who was no longer in the raid about the soccer |
| 05:00.46 | kd3 | Beep. |
| 05:00.49 | Dagmar | Throw in things like "Now I want you to reach over and start undoing the buttons" |
| 05:01.25 | Jerub | .. we were doing razorscale achievement, and we were cutting it very fine between getting the achievement and not hitting enrage, and i was really really annoyed that a lack of coordination was going to cost yet another repair |
| 05:01.26 | Dagmar | This, in the middle of say, the sixth boss fight, is a good way to wake people up |
| 05:02.01 | Jerub | Fisker: so sleep! |
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| 05:02.21 | Fisker | i can't |
| 05:02.28 | Fisker | and kd3 |
| 05:02.38 | Fisker | why did blizzard do maintenance and then dnot a patch? |
| 05:02.40 | Fisker | hate |
| 05:02.47 | kd3 | dunno |
| 05:03.01 | Dagmar | Fisker: Because tehy needed time to take my dungeon finder icon away |
| 05:03.09 | Fisker | :E |
| 05:03.17 | Xyphoid | i don't know hunters, is silencing shot a viable interrupt for things like dreamwalker |
| 05:03.33 | Xyphoid | i'm being told they can't use it for that since it's part of the dps rotation and macroed in |
| 05:03.34 | Dagmar | Jerub: The fucking BEST tho is when you get your special tenth guy who is a pugger you've grabbed just to have a warm body there who hasn't done it before. |
| 05:03.58 | Dagmar | Right in the middle of Marrowgar, you remind them that their job as the <insert class here> is to throw the switch. |
| 05:04.14 | Kraps | A-KO: ping |
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| 05:04.36 | Jerub | Dagmar: *writes that down* |
| 05:04.44 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: It's supposed to stop spells, but feh. Bossees love to shrug that kinda stuff off |
| 05:04.53 | Jerub | oh oh oh. this is the special bit |
| 05:05.34 | Xyphoid | dreamwalker is an adds fight and silencing shot is an interrupt as well as a silence |
| 05:05.39 | Jerub | the guy who turned the 30% buff of, he was kicked for not being on vent (it was said multiple times it was mandatory) |
| 05:06.13 | Jerub | the RL said on vent, "Sorry Ragenex, you didn't get that piece of loot (cloth) because it's Main Armor > MS > OS." |
| 05:06.15 | Xyphoid | i just don't know if it's supposed to be viable there |
| 05:06.20 | Jerub | guy says something on /raid |
| 05:06.36 | Jerub | RL says, "Are you not on vent" ... silence ... "Come trade me and i'll give you 1000g" |
| 05:06.41 | Dagmar | lol |
| 05:07.04 | Dagmar | Stupid name sydrome |
| 05:07.15 | Jerub | uh, Ragenrex |
| 05:07.21 | Jerub | Ragenrex-Dath'remar |
| 05:07.35 | Jerub | he's uh. not allowed to play with the big boys and girls naymore. |
| 05:07.38 | Dagmar | I mean, sounds like a case of Stupid Name Syndrome to me |
| 05:07.53 | Dagmar | Most of the time when someone's being an idiot, they've got a stupid name |
| 05:08.23 | Xyphoid | unfortunately i raid with a 'talibankiller' |
| 05:08.42 | Xyphoid | this is the worst bit about playing with RL people |
| 05:08.43 | Jerub | the RL was awesome and his name was Sweetbread |
| 05:08.55 | Dagmar | That's a decent name tho |
| 05:09.38 | Dagmar | A little unusual, but it doesn't have any references to violence or penises, and no euro glyphs |
| 05:10.03 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
| 05:10.11 | Arrowmaster | Xyphoid: most bosses are immune to any silencing effects, it used to be the cause of many stupid mage moments |
| 05:10.40 | Xyphoid | does that mean the interrupt doesn't work either? |
| 05:10.49 | Dagmar | "Clothie Sac Pull" |
| 05:10.57 | Jerub | thinks. |
| 05:11.07 | Arrowmaster | you could identify the stupid mages by the ones with imp counterspell talent saying that they couldnt counterspell a boss because 'immune' pops up |
| 05:11.20 | Jerub | i have a RL friend who has some weird names. Cawkmongl is probably the rudest. |
| 05:11.33 | Jerub | or pynapplebewb |
| 05:11.48 | Arrowmaster | the 'immune' popping up was for the silence from the imp counterspell talent but the stupid mages thought it ment the boss was immune to counterspell and would stop trying to counterspell |
| 05:11.57 | Arrowmaster | thus gibbing your raid |
| 05:12.01 | Jerub | i hate names you can't type. i don't think they should be allowed. |
| 05:12.21 | Dagmar | I punt for more than one |
| 05:12.40 | Dagmar | Reason: Stupid Name Syndrome |
| 05:13.06 | Dagmar | 'cuz they're just gonna do something dumb in a random |
| 05:13.07 | Jerub | all my names are sanish. |
| 05:13.19 | Jerub | Pham, Brandi, Georgi, Kossil, Jerub |
| 05:13.29 | Dagmar | They're the people who want to skip bosses. |
| 05:13.39 | Dagmar | ...and have a 3700 gs |
| 05:13.47 | Jerub | i didn't realise till yesterday that first boss of HOL was optional |
| 05:13.52 | Dagmar | Like, what the hell do you have against badges, man |
| 05:14.15 | Jerub | also, what the hell do i do? Resto Druid 4T10? |
| 05:14.20 | Jerub | i don't know if i want it... |
| 05:14.24 | Dagmar | Not you |
| 05:14.34 | Jerub | i have to give up 264 gloves and 251 panties to get it. |
| 05:14.38 | Dagmar | The people who don't even have a piece of T9 yet who want to skip bosses |
| 05:14.47 | Jerub | oh, yeah, no, i understand that |
| 05:14.55 | Jerub | tbh, if htey're tanks or healers i can understand it |
| 05:15.06 | Jerub | but dps skipping bosses while ungeared? wtf? |
| 05:15.23 | Dagmar | Cata's coming up |
| 05:15.34 | Dagmar | People gonna be wantin' heirlooms |
| 05:15.46 | Jerub | lol. |
| 05:15.55 | Jerub | i have over 100 badges on multiple toons |
| 05:16.26 | Dagmar | I'm still gearing up two, but I'm still doing a daily for badges on the main, just because I'm going to get another pile of heirlooms |
| 05:16.40 | Jerub | my main still needs frost badges |
| 05:16.53 | Dagmar | I didn't realize until halfway up on the 'lock that I'd bought PvP heirlooms (like it matters on a warlock) |
| 05:17.10 | Dagmar | I figure this time around I'll maybe buy the right ones |
| 05:17.50 | Jerub | i bought the wrong armor for my shammy, so i ended up with 2 leather/mail and 2 cloth pieces |
| 05:17.56 | Jerub | ... that was in the space of an hour |
| 05:18.01 | Xyphoid | it hardly matters for anyone, you're getting them for the xp bonus not the stats |
| 05:18.17 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: Nah. I prefer my twinks to be heavily overgeared |
| 05:18.37 | Dagmar | I pretty much always face-pulled with the warlock as a result. |
| 05:18.48 | kd3 | holy hell, they did reorganize ST |
| 05:18.51 | kd3 | most of the instance is gone |
| 05:18.52 | kd3 | >.< |
| 05:18.54 | Dagmar | Just ran straight into camps and start handing out asses |
| 05:19.11 | Dagmar | kd3: Long, straight corridors now? *hopehopehope* |
| 05:19.31 | kd3 | players zone in to the pit of sacrifice, the big green dragon room |
| 05:19.45 | kd3 | the hole in the center is covered... |
| 05:19.45 | Dagmar | That's like the only instance int he game where I'm tempted to just start following the right-hand wall and keep killing until it's empty |
| 05:19.52 | kd3 | looking for ramps up/down |
| 05:20.41 | Dagmar | It would be a blessing to no longer have to wait an age while someone remembers which switch to pull in what order |
| 05:20.56 | Xyphoid | huh, so my guess was right? it's a single-level instance now? |
| 05:21.04 | Dagmar | The order wasn't a big deal, but running all over the damn place to do it... yuck |
| 05:21.07 | Jerub | Dagmar: no one does those switches unless they're doing the rogue quest |
| 05:21.20 | Xyphoid | oh well at least they left brd/brs alone |
| 05:21.23 | kd3 | it looks like it. I think all of the ramps are gone (can't find any) |
| 05:21.27 | Jerub | Xyphoid: uh, |
| 05:21.37 | Jerub | 14:43 < Jerub> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22050166179&sid=1 |
| 05:21.41 | Jerub | 14:43 < Jerub> shows how much blue cares about stuff. no reply since it was complained about in '09 |
| 05:21.59 | Yssaril | kd3: nice (always hated that place) |
| 05:22.00 | Dagmar | jerub: Even on toons that are the right level the place irks me so much I just blindly do everything I remember I'm supposed to click |
| 05:22.11 | Xyphoid | the dungeon is still all the same right? just the LFD rewards are borken |
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| 05:23.21 | Jerub | Dagmar: on bloodlust battlegroup, you take the left of center path, go top of stairs, kill all bosses on ledges, drop off last ledge, clear dragonkin, kill boss with the ghosts, kill 2 dragons, kill 2 more dragons, kill ghost dragon, drop group. |
| 05:23.21 | Dagmar | At least I'm always real good about remembering to clear the floor before mucking with that one dragon |
| 05:23.43 | Dagmar | Talk about some adds |
| 05:23.53 | kd3 | ya, it's only the middle floor now |
| 05:23.53 | Dagmar | "OMG LA RIOTS INC" |
| 05:24.05 | ccox | spammers have a new in-game trick -- floating orcs, spelling things out mid-air (not dead, just sitting mid-air) |
| 05:24.11 | Xyphoid | yeah that's the standard run, i've never ever seen anyone in LFD go down to the lower levels |
| 05:24.17 | Jerub | ccox: yeah, they've been using that for months |
| 05:24.23 | Dagmar | ccox: Yeah we got screenshots of that last night. |
| 05:24.26 | Jerub | the worst is when they all /sleep or /salute at the same time |
| 05:24.31 | Dagmar | Probably makes them nice and detectable |
| 05:24.44 | Dagmar | NORMALLY, bodies don't get moved around in mid-air |
| 05:24.47 | Jerub | ccox: whisper them, you'll get a number as an auto-response |
| 05:24.55 | Jerub | ccox: right-click->report spam |
| 05:25.08 | ccox | Jerub - haven't seen it on the 3 realms I play |
| 05:25.21 | Xyphoid | what's with the level 1's whispering you 'xxx, are you there?' |
| 05:25.32 | Dagmar | The dude last night lasted all of about 45 seconds and then a GM landed on his head |
| 05:25.42 | Xyphoid | i assumed they'd be trying to advertise to me but even if i reply they never msg again |
| 05:25.52 | Dagmar | Xyphoid Probably bots trying to generate "normal" traffic |
| 05:35.15 | Fisker | slaps Dagmar around a bit with a large trout |
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| 05:36.48 | Jerub | ccox: sec |
| 05:37.03 | Jerub | http://leaf.posterous.com/better-video-example-of-new-in-game-advertise |
| 05:37.49 | ccox | Jerub - nope, this is different |
| 05:38.08 | ccox | Jerub - those are still flat to the ground, just a little above it, and have you to see it from above to see what they spelll |
| 05:38.22 | Jerub | ccox: no, they're floating |
| 05:38.25 | ccox | what I just saw was spelled vertically, so you can read from the ground |
| 05:39.01 | Jerub | yeah, i've seen the vertical ones, they're more recent. |
| 05:39.13 | Jerub | but they've had battalions of them hovering in the air doing formations for ages. |
| 05:39.26 | Jerub | that video i grabbed 6 months ago |
| 05:40.34 | ccox | all floating at the same height is one thing |
| 05:40.45 | olafski | I always do those switches jerub ;) |
| 05:40.46 | ccox | spelling something out vertically, that takes some doing |
| 05:41.03 | Jerub | olafski: switches? |
| 05:41.06 | ccox | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=483202&id=100000029215042&ref=fbx_album |
| 05:41.12 | ccox | looks like they're debugging the process |
| 05:41.28 | olafski | in sunken temple :) |
| 05:41.37 | Jerub | http://i.imgur.com/BvxEg.jpg |
| 05:41.38 | Jerub | oh right |
| 05:42.01 | olafski | off to work, cya +) |
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| 06:00.48 | Kraps | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/funny-facebook-bong-pic1.png |
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| 06:03.23 | Fisker | rage Kraps |
| 06:03.23 | Fisker | rage. |
| 06:03.47 | Fisker | http://206.16.223.113/ <-lold face |
| 06:03.56 | Kraps | i need bed |
| 06:04.17 | Fisker | i need you |
| 06:04.28 | Wobin | Fisker: wtf |
| 06:04.41 | Wobin | why the IP? |
| 06:04.53 | Corrodias | what. |
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| 06:06.05 | Corrodias | according to this reverse lookup, that does belong to microsoft |
| 06:06.07 | Kraps | thanks for crashing me Fisker |
| 06:08.01 | Fisker | no problem Kraps |
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| 06:08.11 | Fisker | anyway Wobin as i understood it they haven't launched the site yet |
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| 06:09.25 | Fisker | Cide |
| 06:09.26 | Fisker | my mom |
| 06:11.24 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8&feature=player_embedded |
| 06:12.01 | Corrodias | that song rocks. |
| 06:12.38 | Fisker | a |
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| 06:23.22 | Corrodias | hey, URL. http://www.ageofempiresonline.com/ |
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| 08:20.54 | zenzio | eyes Cairenn curiously |
| 08:25.48 | cbreak_work | I hate .bat scripting... |
| 08:25.53 | cbreak_work | nothing works as it should |
| 08:27.35 | zenzio | never had to do much batch scripting... what are you trying to do? |
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| 08:28.28 | cbreak_work | I want to call a command line program several times |
| 08:28.39 | cbreak_work | but the script exits after the first call |
| 08:30.00 | cbreak_work | the program calls are like: git submodule init -- path/to/sm |
| 08:34.57 | zenzio | "The lore is not bad in Uwe Boll kind of bad, but rather in 10th remake of "Night of the living Death" bad" |
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| 08:48.35 | Xyphoid | so, there's a letter to the editor in the Economist about WoW. |
| 08:48.50 | cbreak_work | seems I need to use call to start programs from cmd.exe |
| 08:49.08 | Xyphoid | the person is complaining that someone in a column referred to hobgoblins, and there are no hobgoblins in the game. |
| 08:49.22 | zenzio | lol |
| 08:50.31 | Xyphoid | normally their letter column has foreign ministers complaining about the political articles |
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| 09:01.10 | zenzio | "Tirion: The Lich King is dead, and so is Bolvar Fordragon." "Varian:So where's the body?" "Tirion:..." - heh |
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| 09:20.57 | Wobin | =\ |
| 09:21.00 | Wobin | bat scripting |
| 09:21.06 | Wobin | I had a vision of batman doing coding |
| 09:21.34 | Arrowmaster | cbreak_work: thats probably because git is a batch file too |
| 09:21.58 | cbreak_work | how does that matter? :/ |
| 09:22.16 | Arrowmaster | because batch files are fucked up in how they interact with other batch files |
| 09:22.29 | krka | <Arrowmaster> because batch files are fucked up <-- i fixed it for you |
| 09:22.37 | Arrowmaster | yes you did |
| 09:22.43 | Arrowmaster | gives krka a cookie |
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| 09:25.02 | Xyphoid | is imvox terrible |
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| 09:46.05 | Xyphoid | well, that was a yes, it doesn't take email addresses with a + in them |
| 09:51.27 | Wobin | fail |
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| 10:02.29 | zenzio | when did we first see/hear about Infinite Dragonflight mobs? With Caverns of Time? |
| 10:02.42 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:03.22 | zenzio | hm... just occured to me (when reading some thread) that it's interesting how they must have been around for some time behind the scenes |
| 10:03.28 | zenzio | tricksy dragonses |
| 10:05.59 | zenzio | curious to see when we'll really see their story advance as a main plot |
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| 10:19.10 | unfo- | Night of the Dragon afaik introduced them to the lore |
| 10:20.01 | zenzio | roughly where in the timeline is Night of the Dragon? |
| 10:20.50 | unfo- | i'll dig you up a perfect url, sec |
| 10:21.03 | Fisker | i came haste |
| 10:21.36 | unfo- | zenzio, http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/timeline.html |
| 10:21.59 | zenzio | unfo-: cheers, I should've thought to look there :) |
| 10:22.15 | unfo- | ermmm wait hmmmh |
| 10:22.20 | unfo- | it doesn't contain night of the dragon >_> |
| 10:22.46 | unfo- | it fits before arthas. when the scourge are attacking dalaran |
| 10:22.59 | haste | Fisker: oh noes |
| 10:23.26 | unfo- | zenzio, It is a follow-up to the novel Day of the Dragon, and also provides insight into events leading up to Wrath of the Lich King. |
| 10:23.35 | unfo- | so pre-frozenthrone |
| 10:24.00 | zenzio | unfo-: I see :-) |
| 10:24.17 | unfo- | ahhhh sorry. I am mistaken! |
| 10:24.25 | unfo- | i got twilight dragonf. and infinite mixed up |
| 10:24.28 | zenzio | lol |
| 10:24.32 | unfo- | silly me |
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| 10:25.10 | zenzio | easy to get things mixed up with all the sort-of kins |
| 10:25.14 | Adys | Cide |
| 10:25.16 | Adys | are you here? |
| 10:27.16 | unfo- | btw. a question in the context of this channel's topic: i've been thinking about making a solitaire addon - do you guys foresee any problems I should be expecting? |
| 10:32.49 | Xyphoid | infinite dragonflight are the evil bronzes from the future |
| 10:33.06 | zenzio | that seems to be the general consensus |
| 10:33.38 | Xyphoid | the t6 vendor in hyjal talked about how familiar they were |
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| 10:35.14 | Fisker | note to self don't rsync to a filesystem you don't automount? |
| 10:39.42 | zenzio | I wonder just how many domain names the WoW scammers have registered... seems to be a new one in every scam e-mail I receive |
| 10:40.14 | Arrowmaster | has the domain 'tasting' issue ever been solved? |
| 10:40.25 | Arrowmaster | where they can get a refund after 7 days or so |
| 10:40.39 | zenzio | hm... don't remember. I do recall there was *talk* about doing something about it |
| 10:40.55 | Arrowmaster | i do know its not an issue for .org |
| 10:41.29 | Arrowmaster | oh well im going to bed |
| 10:41.41 | Fisker | Blizzard should just be assigned complete control of any domain relevant to the scams |
| 10:42.28 | zenzio | "In April 2006, out of 35 million registrations, only a little more than 2 million were permanent or actually purchased. By February 2007, the CEO of Go Daddy reported that of 55.1 million domain names registered, 51.5 million were canceled and refunded just before the 5 day grace period expired and only 3.6 million domain names were actually kept.[4]" |
| 10:42.30 | zenzio | o_O |
| 10:43.01 | Fisker | that's just horrible |
| 10:43.03 | unfo- | >_> |
| 10:43.10 | unfo- | why is there such a grace period? |
| 10:43.34 | unfo- | i mean, we are not talking about huge sums of money you would lose, had you typoed the name or some such |
| 10:53.41 | Wobin | http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4820647230_faba1c9f3b_o.jpg |
| 10:53.42 | Wobin | niice |
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| 10:54.33 | unfo- | Wobin, there's one missing maybe... |
| 10:54.53 | unfo- | Wobin, they discovered this reaaaaaaaallly big sun |
| 10:55.30 | zenzio | Wobin: love pictures like that =) |
| 10:56.20 | unfo- | ah nvm! http://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/19105495333 |
| 10:56.25 | zenzio | so I heard an interesting theory recently... apparently some researchers thinks that (small) black holes may actually be black stars |
| 10:56.26 | unfo- | CanMaj is the biggest :) |
| 10:59.11 | unfo- | Wobin, oh yeah. Thanks for the image! |
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| 11:17.57 | Fisker | http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/7946298/fatal-crash-driver-sues-victims-family <-makes sense |
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| 11:28.33 | Wobin | isn't a 'loss of capacity to enjoy life' what Winters was -after- in the first place? |
| 11:32.04 | cbreak_work | if she's lucky, the family doesn't kill her. |
| 11:32.26 | Wobin | maybe that's what she's -really- after |
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| 11:50.33 | sylvanaar | black stars |
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| 12:22.13 | mikma | http://chinagame.178.com/201008/75942001505.html |
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| 12:56.04 | Cairenn | station |
| 12:56.19 | mikma | lunesstation |
| 12:56.30 | Lunessa | tiredly nods. Station my most excellent friends. |
| 12:56.52 | zenzio | what about the rest of us? |
| 12:57.08 | Lunessa | Oh, station to you fuckers too. |
| 12:57.23 | zenzio | good, we were feeling left out |
| 12:57.31 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Lunessa. Early mornings are bogus. |
| 12:58.12 | Lunessa | I am SO not a morning person. When I die, I want them to schedule my funeral at like... 2:30 in the afternoon - just to shoot everyone's day all to hell. |
| 12:59.41 | zenzio | if I didn't want a funny tombstone, I'd want to be cremated so they could throw my ashes in the face of my nemesis |
| 13:02.00 | Lunessa | I agree with George Burns who said that what he wanted on his tombstone was "I'd rather be standing here reading thins." |
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| 13:02.40 | zenzio | that is clever, but I can't say yet whether I would feel like that |
| 13:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | I'd like to be cremated and plowed in under a lilac tree! |
| 13:08.59 | Cairenn | donate anything they can use to save/improve someone else's, donate the rest of the corpse to a medical school, anything that's still left after all of that cremate and sprinkle in the ocean off Nova Scotia |
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| 13:09.20 | Cairenn | s/else's/else's life/ |
| 13:10.42 | zenzio | that's noble |
| 13:10.54 | Kalroth | I want to be cremated, mixed in pink painting and used on the walls of the local whore house |
| 13:11.29 | Cairenn | zenzio: it's already in writing that that's what I want done |
| 13:12.07 | Cairenn | and no gd funeral, gimme a good old Celtic wake |
| 13:12.51 | krka | my goal in life is to maximize the number of people who will be sad at my funeral |
| 13:13.09 | batrick | I think you meant happy |
| 13:13.13 | batrick | =) |
| 13:13.15 | Cairenn | krka: know how to do that? cut everyone out of the will |
| 13:13.32 | krka | or leave _everyone_ in the will |
| 13:13.38 | Cairenn | heh, yeah |
| 13:13.39 | Lunessa | Cairenn: With enough whiskey to float the navy? |
| 13:13.40 | batrick | ooh sinister |
| 13:14.03 | krka | "Wait, who is this krka, why did he leave me in his will, and why do i only get 0.002 $"? |
| 13:14.16 | Kraps | so our sun is really fucking small |
| 13:15.58 | zenzio | this is not news :) |
| 13:16.05 | zenzio | we should be glad though |
| 13:16.08 | zenzio | big stars don't last long |
| 13:16.27 | krka | who's sextape did you find? |
| 13:18.31 | Lunessa | Kraps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me06I9GDM_k |
| 13:18.38 | batrick | ya it's freaky looking at those animations showing the Sun compared to other stars |
| 13:19.25 | Kraps | zenzio: 500 milion years instead 5 billion?not losing any sleep there ;) |
| 13:19.31 | zenzio | hehe |
| 13:19.45 | zenzio | I pretend I have some faith in humanity's survival past the next 20 years |
| 13:19.46 | krka | The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see are moving at a million miles a day |
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| 13:21.34 | Wobin | Yoho it's hot! |
| 13:24.07 | Kraps | the sun is a mass of incandescent gas |
| 13:24.08 | Lunessa | Yeah, well in the 1960s we weren't sure there would be 1970s; I have faith in the human ability to outlive predications of its demise. |
| 13:24.11 | Kraps | hums |
| 13:26.01 | Fisker | i donated all my hate Cairenn |
| 13:26.48 | Kraps | so you dont have any more? |
| 13:27.25 | Kraps | nah, you probably have silos of hate for reserve |
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| 13:30.42 | Kraps | Internet Explorer Turns 15 |
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| 13:37.07 | Kraps | well this is fun http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=185044 |
| 13:45.17 | Kraps | http://www.microsoft.com/games/flight/ |
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| 13:49.46 | Lunessa | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19683.html |
| 13:51.59 | Kraps | http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/565854/why_you_shouldnt_read_too_much....html re scott pilgrims box office numbers |
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| 14:15.22 | Kraps | http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/67fcc669-29fd-4962-b862-0236bf649d88.jpg |
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| 14:16.32 | Cide- | old |
| 14:16.58 | bluspacecow | @fisker /fondle |
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| 14:20.10 | Lunessa | You have no chance to succeed. Someone set us up the bomb. |
| 14:20.55 | Kraps | make your time |
| 14:21.02 | Gnamra | You are on your way to destruction |
| 14:21.47 | bluspacecow | http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/f91cd8c7-5f60-4c0c-9863-13089117605a.jpg |
| 14:21.52 | bluspacecow | wtf? |
| 14:22.51 | krka | harold and kumar all over again! |
| 14:23.07 | Gnamra | Cockmeat sandwich. |
| 14:23.09 | Gnamra | ftw |
| 14:23.35 | bluspacecow | One of these days im going to watch that movie .... |
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| 14:24.48 | Gnamra | there's two harold and kumar I think? haven't seen the first one yet. |
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| 14:25.30 | bluspacecow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_and_kumar |
| 14:25.33 | bluspacecow | correct |
| 14:25.41 | bluspacecow | *awards 10 nerd points* |
| 14:25.54 | p3lim | arent there 3? |
| 14:26.03 | p3lim | or is the 3rd still on the way |
| 14:26.06 | Gnamra | Yeah |
| 14:26.08 | bluspacecow | 2011 is when the third is meant to be out |
| 14:26.29 | p3lim | ok, havent kept myself updated :) |
| 14:26.58 | p3lim | anyways, irc client suggestion for win? stuck with miranda atm :/ |
| 14:27.10 | bluspacecow | mirc ? |
| 14:27.16 | bluspacecow | colloquy ? |
| 14:27.18 | wereHamster | p3lim: putty |
| 14:27.18 | Kalroth | xchat |
| 14:27.29 | Kraps | chatzilla |
| 14:27.32 | bluspacecow | i remember one with a ducky logo |
| 14:27.33 | Kraps | ducks |
| 14:27.40 | Gnamra | chatzilla sucks :p kept crashing my firefox |
| 14:27.50 | p3lim | mirc is too bloated, xchat is buggy (firewall doesnt like it neither), chatzilla fucks up my firefox |
| 14:28.00 | p3lim | ill check putty and colloquy |
| 14:28.20 | bluspacecow | ::tear:: a chat client just like me (chatzilla) |
| 14:28.29 | wereHamster | p3lim: putty isn't an irc client, but you can use it to connect to a unix server running screen+irssi :P |
| 14:28.58 | Kraps | "Tyra Banks is apologizing for a controversial new Americas Next Top Model promo featuring a 6'2" model with a shockingly thin waist." |
| 14:29.02 | Kraps | http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/omg/assets/images/omg-spacer-1.0.0.gif |
| 14:29.16 | bluspacecow | nice |
| 14:29.24 | Kraps | she does look reaky |
| 14:29.28 | Kraps | +f |
| 14:29.31 | bluspacecow | that model is so thin you cant see anything ! |
| 14:29.35 | p3lim | settled with Digsby for IM atleast :) |
| 14:29.44 | bluspacecow | literally the photos 1 x 1 pixels |
| 14:30.04 | Gnamra | It's a trap! |
| 14:30.20 | Kraps | damn wtf is up with that |
| 14:30.31 | Kraps | http://omg.yahoo.com/news/tyra-banks-sorry-for-top-model-promo-with-stick-thin-model/45690 |
| 14:30.45 | bluspacecow | dont rightclick the image ... go page info in FF or go view source .... |
| 14:30.47 | bluspacecow | oh nvm |
| 14:31.35 | Shirik | most verbose rule ever |
| 14:31.45 | Shirik | http://pastey.net/139692 |
| 14:32.12 | Shirik | This reminds me of the monty python "three is the number thou shalt count, and the number of thy counting shall be three" |
| 14:32.29 | Cide- | the fuck? |
| 14:32.33 | Gnamra | hahah love that scene |
| 14:32.49 | Thunder_Child | MTG? |
| 14:32.57 | Shirik | Warcraft |
| 14:33.00 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 14:33.11 | bluspacecow | what is the wingspawn of the white sparrow ? |
| 14:33.28 | Shirik | I'm sure they have a reason that rule is so verbose |
| 14:33.32 | Lunessa | It's the "airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow." |
| 14:33.32 | Shirik | I've seen some crazy plays |
| 14:33.44 | Cide- | such as? |
| 14:33.49 | bluspacecow | -_- ty lunessa |
| 14:33.51 | Lunessa | bluspacecow: -200 geek points |
| 14:33.53 | Shirik | well I have no idea with regards to that rule |
| 14:33.56 | bluspacecow | ;( |
| 14:33.57 | Shirik | but I'm sure it exists |
| 14:34.24 | Shirik | but I've seen people forced to draw their entire deck, simultaneously dealing 50 damage |
| 14:34.31 | Shirik | which results in a "wtf who won" |
| 14:34.44 | Ackis | lua> foo = false; print(tostring(foo)) |
| 14:34.44 | lua_bot | Ackis: false |
| 14:36.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/17/wired-web-dead/ |
| 14:36.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | love the graph |
| 14:36.31 | Gnamra | woah |
| 14:36.48 | Cide- | haha |
| 14:37.00 | Shirik | sylvanaar: :( |
| 14:37.07 | wereHamster | wow, DNS: 11% |
| 14:37.10 | bluspacecow | when was the last time anyone used gophie or archie ? |
| 14:37.11 | Thunder_Child | "Welcome to beta, where things you don't like happen with great frequency." i rather like this smackdown |
| 14:37.13 | Cide- | displaying no information whatsoever ftw |
| 14:37.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | video 51% |
| 14:37.51 | Cide- | it needs to count number of uses, not number of bytes |
| 14:37.58 | Gnamra | How can they even compare emailing with streaming |
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| 14:38.09 | Kalroth | yeah, worst graph ever |
| 14:38.13 | bluspacecow | dont get how dns can be 11% .... dont you have to resolve a domain before going to it spec a web page ? |
| 14:38.18 | Cide- | downloading a single file is equivalent to thousands of webpages |
| 14:38.25 | Kalroth | how much more bandwidth do we have in 2005 compared to 2000? |
| 14:38.30 | Cide- | it's bytes I'm sure, bluspacecow |
| 14:38.33 | bluspacecow | moar |
| 14:38.53 | Kalroth | maybe web usage is the same (or even more), but there's more bandwidth so it looks like it is declining |
| 14:38.59 | Cide- | or in other words bandwidth |
| 14:39.09 | Cide- | of course it's more |
| 14:39.15 | Cide- | more people get connected to the net every day |
| 14:39.22 | Cide- | and you don't see people surfing LESS do you? |
| 14:39.50 | Shirik | where's the IRC part |
| 14:40.00 | Shirik | I think I take 10% of the world's bandwidth daily on IRC |
| 14:40.05 | Cide- | sure you do |
| 14:40.07 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 14:40.08 | Cide- | where's wikipedia |
| 14:40.17 | Shirik | wikipedia is web fool |
| 14:40.18 | bluspacecow | *nod* *nod* |
| 14:40.21 | Cide- | ... |
| 14:40.23 | Cide- | I'm aware |
| 14:40.24 | Kalroth | where's the porn |
| 14:40.26 | bluspacecow | chatty bastard |
| 14:40.34 | Cide- | I wonder how much wikipedia accounts for |
| 14:40.37 | Cide- | out of the web |
| 14:40.41 | Gnamra | ehm the porn is in video. thats why its so high |
| 14:40.44 | Cide- | <0.01%? <0.001%? <0.1%? |
| 14:40.54 | Cide- | nah |
| 14:40.55 | Cide- | only recently |
| 14:41.02 | Cide- | porn was mostly images before |
| 14:41.09 | Kalroth | that is true |
| 14:41.16 | Ackis | I tried to do a random dungeon last night and got bored after waiting 5 minutes in the queue... wtf? |
| 14:41.27 | Ackis | I thought the queues were instantaneous |
| 14:41.33 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 14:41.37 | Shirik | -⺠(admin-freenode:#wikipedia-en) Hi, there freenode admin, all users must type /msg admin-freenode identify [your password], otherwise you will be banned |
| 14:41.46 | Gnamra | Go watch something then :p I made an addon so it could automaticly accept the LFG for me |
| 14:41.48 | Kraps | Ackis: are you a tank? |
| 14:42.04 | Ackis | Kraps: I queued as DPS, I don't feel up to healing just yet |
| 14:42.25 | Cide- | identify yourself as an admin or get banned |
| 14:42.27 | Cide- | do it |
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| 14:42.37 | bluspacecow | >_> damn US realms normal tuesday :( |
| 14:42.41 | Kraps | no so, queues are not instantaneous |
| 14:42.58 | Kraps | what class? |
| 14:43.01 | Cide- | that person sure got banned fast, Shirik |
| 14:43.10 | Shirik | well |
| 14:43.14 | Cide- | unless you didn't paste it right away |
| 14:43.20 | Shirik | doing it in a channel where there's a bunch of sysops is not exactly the smartest idea |
| 14:43.24 | Shirik | and it was a little delayed |
| 14:43.44 | Cide- | "/msg admin-freenode identify 01583928352" wasn't fast enough |
| 14:45.23 | Gnamra | So.. I just got started with addons, is all the information I need available on wowwiki? |
| 14:46.01 | Cide- | www.wowprogramming.com |
| 14:46.05 | Gnamra | Thanks |
| 14:46.27 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:79.66.5.175 |
| 14:46.32 | Shirik | is it that hard to read instructions? |
| 14:46.36 | Shirik | like seriously |
| 14:46.42 | Shirik | I think you should have to take a test to be granted access to the internet |
| 14:47.55 | Cide- | wikipedia is kinda hard to get though |
| 14:47.59 | Cide- | unless you read up a bunch |
| 14:48.00 | Kraps | is that template broken 5 different ways? |
| 14:48.23 | Shirik | ok |
| 14:48.27 | mikma | wobin: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdvj89_anachronisme_creation |
| 14:48.27 | Shirik | but you see you're blocked |
| 14:48.34 | Shirik | and it's like "Please request an account" |
| 14:48.41 | Shirik | so obviously you decide to do something else |
| 14:48.52 | Shirik | Kraps:What do you mean? |
| 14:49.39 | bluspacecow | *opened google docs and forgot why* |
| 14:49.41 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
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| 14:49.58 | Kraps | whats with all the subst |
| 14:50.03 | bluspacecow | wb cidey |
| 14:51.01 | Cide- | cidey? |
| 14:51.34 | bluspacecow | yep :) |
| 14:51.35 | Kraps | huh, xchat is pay-to-use? |
| 14:51.37 | bluspacecow | *hugs* |
| 14:51.45 | Gnamra | Another n00b question, if I can. I havent read up on the changes that comes with cataclysm, will the wowprogramming book need another update after the release of cataclysm? |
| 14:51.46 | Cide- | if you don't use the free copy |
| 14:51.56 | Cide- | http://www.silverex.org/news/ |
| 14:52.01 | Cide- | for windows it seems |
| 14:52.07 | Shirik | Kraps: I'm going to hurt you |
| 14:52.18 | Shirik | read the directions! |
| 14:52.26 | Shirik | Administrator use only: Replace this template with one of the following as notification. Users should note that they CANNOT unblock themselves. |
| 14:53.18 | bluspacecow | @gnamra I would expect them to put updates for Cata up on their website |
| 14:53.27 | Shirik | Cide- we need to play more games |
| 14:53.33 | Cide- | yep |
| 14:53.38 | Cide- | I don't have sc2 installed for us yet |
| 14:53.44 | Cide- | it's on my external usb drive |
| 14:53.44 | bluspacecow | much of the changes for cata aren't finalised as AFAIK addons aren't enabled on the beta yet |
| 14:54.11 | bluspacecow | @cide fail .... hurry up and play it noob |
| 14:54.24 | Cide- | play it? |
| 14:54.25 | Kraps | Shirik: you thing you're hot stuff because you're an admin? |
| 14:54.27 | Kraps | huh |
| 14:54.36 | Cide- | I'm busy recoding this stuff though Shirik |
| 14:54.39 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 14:54.40 | Cide- | it fails |
| 14:54.41 | bluspacecow | seriously |
| 14:54.49 | bluspacecow | kraps have you seen a photo of shirik |
| 14:54.52 | bluspacecow | serious hot stuff |
| 14:54.53 | Shirik | Kraps you are so bad |
| 14:54.56 | Kraps | i challenge you to a huggle-off |
| 14:55.06 | Shirik | I was saying the reason all those templates are there is because of those instructions |
| 14:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'll be the judge! |
| 14:55.14 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:55.24 | Lopeppeppy | 9 out of 10! |
| 14:55.34 | Kraps | most reverts in 5 minutes wins |
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| 14:56.41 | Kraps | is cat |
| 14:56.45 | Cide- | I propose |
| 14:56.58 | bluspacecow | YES YES YE YES |
| 14:57.02 | bluspacecow | ill marry you ! |
| 14:57.06 | Cide- | longest streak of quality, peer reviewed, reverts without going more than 2 minutes without a revert |
| 14:57.29 | Ackis | is bluspacecow on crack? |
| 14:57.34 | Cide- | yep |
| 14:57.42 | bluspacecow | *nod* *nod* |
| 14:58.11 | Kraps | longest rfa oppose that wong get flamed |
| 14:58.17 | Kraps | wont* |
| 14:59.19 | Cide- | Repo closed the connection! NOO |
| 14:59.20 | Ackis | share bluspacecow |
| 14:59.28 | Ackis | is Cide- on crack? |
| 14:59.32 | bluspacecow | *shares crack* |
| 14:59.39 | Cide- | *nod* *nod* *nod* *nod* *nod* *nod* *nod* *nod* *nod* |
| 14:59.47 | bluspacecow | damn packager is it down again |
| 14:59.48 | Shirik | even at 99.5% confidence (which I haven't seen a false positive on yet) the AI I wrote can revert faster than once every 2 minutes |
| 14:59.50 | Ackis | is Cide- and bluspacecow the same person? |
| 14:59.51 | bluspacecow | or repo |
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| 14:59.57 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.02 | Kraps | ackis has a history of crack addiction |
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| 15:00.16 | Kraps | i herd |
| 15:00.26 | Cide- | what about at 100% confidence? |
| 15:00.45 | Kraps | no AI is perfect |
| 15:00.47 | Kraps | yet |
| 15:00.52 | Cide- | except your mom |
| 15:01.01 | Cide- | she is perfect |
| 15:01.12 | Kraps | but we are approaching the singularity |
| 15:02.14 | Kraps | Cide-: i see her every day, and i can say that you are wrong |
| 15:02.43 | Cide- | but you're wrong |
| 15:02.46 | Cide- | because you're imperfect |
| 15:04.24 | Cide- | return value qualifiers confuse me Shirik |
| 15:04.33 | Shirik | why |
| 15:04.41 | Cide- | because they do |
| 15:04.58 | Cide- | returning by const value is pointless but returning by const reference is pointful |
| 15:05.13 | Cide- | but can I reference a dereferenced value on the heap |
| 15:05.15 | Cide- | blarghghghg |
| 15:05.25 | Cide- | dereferenced pointer rather |
| 15:05.36 | Cide- | no those are not actual questions, just examples |
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| 15:07.12 | Shirik | no |
| 15:07.13 | Shirik | nonono |
| 15:07.29 | Cide- | exactly. |
| 15:07.37 | Shirik | there are only very rare situations you want to return a const reference |
| 15:07.53 | Kraps | http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/cindy-mccain2.jpg |
| 15:08.10 | Cide- | what if I internally store something as a pointer but I don't want to expose pointers as the public interface? |
| 15:08.46 | Shirik | by returning a reference you are anyway |
| 15:08.48 | Ackis | what does it mean when a GM escalates your issue to the "Director of Quality Assurance", doesn't fix your issue, and closes the ticket? |
| 15:08.51 | Shirik | why not return by value? |
| 15:09.38 | Kraps | Ackis: you got taken in the butt? |
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| 15:10.46 | Ackis | Kraps: that's what I'm thinking, I'll give them another week than I guess reverse the charges on the credit card for service not performed |
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| 15:11.10 | Kraps | what sevice? |
| 15:11.13 | Kraps | +r |
| 15:11.14 | bluspacecow | coud be they're looking into a blizzard employee for fruad >_> |
| 15:11.24 | p3lim | how do I auto-identify nickserv on IRC? |
| 15:11.27 | p3lim | mIRC* |
| 15:11.43 | Ackis | I did a faction transfer, it went through but my reputation is all fucked up when it shouldn't be |
| 15:12.07 | Ackis | p3lim: you need to go to "perform" under the servers list and then you type in what you want to be done automagically each time for what server |
| 15:12.47 | Cide- | Shirik: if it's a complex type |
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| 15:13.26 | Kraps | coincidentally, i watched "500 days of summer" last night http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/zooey-deschanel.jpg |
| 15:14.05 | p3lim | Ackis: where is "perform" |
| 15:14.33 | Ackis | p3lim: it's under the servers list, I don't have mirc here with me so I can't give you step-by-step instructions :( |
| 15:15.25 | p3lim | found it :) |
| 15:16.14 | Ackis | there's global and server specific |
| 15:16.28 | Ackis | you can do things like /join #arl to auto join chans on connect |
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| 15:16.44 | Ackis | you can also type /msg nickserv identify penis to auto-ID |
| 15:17.35 | p3lim | mirc can auto-join channels on connect |
| 15:17.46 | p3lim | but yea, I set the ident to freenode only |
| 15:18.03 | cog|work | slaps Fisker around a bit with the lambda calculus |
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| 15:18.52 | Shirik | or |
| 15:18.57 | Shirik | you could use the server password |
| 15:19.00 | Shirik | like freenode tells you to |
| 15:19.44 | p3lim | gonna test that |
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| 15:20.12 | Cide | that works nicely |
| 15:20.19 | Cide | more servers should allow for that |
| 15:20.30 | Ackis | I didn't know that Shirik |
| 15:20.56 | p3lim | didnt work, I might have done it wrong though |
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| 15:21.48 | p3lim | afk dinner |
| 15:21.53 | Shirik | ~wiki Troy Gallo |
| 15:22.19 | Kraps | http://i.imgur.com/M7Y2K.png oh crap at #10 |
| 15:22.28 | Cide | pretty sure a woman did that |
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| 15:25.47 | bluspacecow | "his body is reminds one of ..." |
| 15:25.53 | bluspacecow | pretty sure thats bad grammer |
| 15:27.00 | bluspacecow | -_- |
| 15:27.04 | Cide | dragon age 2, 2011/03/11 |
| 15:27.05 | Cide | sweet! |
| 15:27.29 | bluspacecow | i was just about to say WB to a chann. chat bot in another channell -_- |
| 15:27.40 | Cralor` | ~wowalert |
| 15:27.41 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 15:27.58 | Cralor` | If anyone is looking for an easier to read version of ^ .... http://cgullz.com/wowalert :D |
| 15:28.03 | Shirik | Cide: So that means early 2012? |
| 15:28.23 | Kraps | the high mortality rate in buffys high school is kinda cheesy |
| 15:28.29 | Cide | that means march 11 as per proper date formatting |
| 15:28.39 | Shirik | no |
| 15:28.40 | Shirik | it means 2012 |
| 15:28.51 | Cide | how could it mean 2012 in any way? |
| 15:28.59 | Cide | oh, you mean with delays |
| 15:29.10 | Shirik | you need more coffee :) |
| 15:29.18 | Cide | I thought you meant the date overflowed in some way of parsing it |
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| 15:29.30 | Shirik | or you think too much :P |
| 15:29.31 | Cide | I guess I've been doing too much coding |
| 15:29.34 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:31.13 | Cide | hmm |
| 15:31.15 | Cide | this isn't good |
| 15:31.41 | Cide | shared_ptr<std::vector<shared_ptr<const Foo>>> |
| 15:31.48 | Cide | seems like more overthinking |
| 15:33.30 | ccox | depends on the task |
| 15:33.33 | cog|work | ^ |
| 15:33.43 | ccox | for some things, that might actually be necessary |
| 15:34.16 | Cide | indeed |
| 15:34.31 | ccox | I've seen nastier constructs of reference counted pointers - and they were frequently needed |
| 15:34.31 | bluspacecow | "you float like a feather .... in a beautiful world ... i wish was special ... you're so very special" |
| 15:34.58 | ccox | I've also seen raw pointers to reference counted structures used, where it was the only way to accomplish a task |
| 15:35.11 | Cide | yeah but I'm bad at c++ |
| 15:35.18 | Cide | so I don't trust my own abilities |
| 15:35.19 | ccox | (still scary and error prone, but, well, you gotta get the job done) |
| 15:35.26 | ccox | ah, that could be a problem |
| 15:35.57 | ccox | In that case, keep practicing KISS until you get more comfortable with the language and available templates/libraries |
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| 15:36.57 | Shirik_ | ok |
| 15:37.09 | Cide | well I need to lazily instantiate a complex data structure |
| 15:37.11 | cog|work | ko |
| 15:37.14 | Cide | so I don't want to do it by value |
| 15:37.16 | Cide | so pointer it is |
| 15:37.17 | Shirik_ | Your package is in transit with a rescheduled delivery date of 08/18/2010. |
| 15:37.25 | Shirik_ | THE DALLES, OR, US08/17/20108:01 A.M.OUT FOR DELIVERY |
| 15:37.35 | Shirik_ | what is UPS smoking |
| 15:37.39 | Fisker | hey Shirik_ |
| 15:37.51 | Shirik_ | this is the same thing the customer service guy told me when I called him |
| 15:37.57 | Shirik_ | everything looks like it's on time for the 17th |
| 15:37.57 | Fisker | you know what sucks cog|work ? |
| 15:38.00 | Shirik_ | except the date it says |
| 15:38.08 | Cide | but it's retrieved from a separate part of the codebase so I don't want to give away ownership without a shared_ptr ideally |
| 15:38.13 | Cide | so I guess that's my best option |
| 15:38.28 | Shirik_ | Cide: Why not by value? |
| 15:38.36 | Shirik_ | is it really that complex? |
| 15:38.39 | Cide | it's the vector of events, shirik |
| 15:38.44 | Shirik_ | oh |
| 15:38.44 | Shirik_ | lol |
| 15:38.51 | Shirik_ | yes please don't pass that by value |
| 15:38.51 | Cide | that's like 150k elements at least |
| 15:38.53 | Fisker | you know what sucks cog|work ? |
| 15:38.55 | Shirik_ | you might pass it by handle instead |
| 15:39.00 | Fisker | Shirik_ you know what sucks cog|work ? |
| 15:39.07 | Shirik_ | like a std::vector::const_iterator |
| 15:39.10 | haste | my package was also sent today Shirik_ ! |
| 15:39.13 | Shirik_ | begin() const |
| 15:39.22 | Cide | hmm |
| 15:39.23 | haste | (but it was suppose to be sent tomorrow) |
| 15:39.43 | Cide | but then I can't reliably get end() for iteration |
| 15:39.49 | Shirik_ | haste: This is more of a "it was supposed to be delivered today, but yesterday it started saying 'it's going to be delivered wednesday instead' with no good reason" |
| 15:40.06 | Shirik_ | and then I called customer service and they were like "um, I don't know wtf is going on but it's in portland and it doesn't take 2 days from there" |
| 15:40.30 | Shirik_ | Cide: ok valid point |
| 15:40.45 | Cide | I think that's a new one |
| 15:41.01 | Shirik_ | then maybe a struct VectorHandle<T> { typename T::const_iterator begin; typename T::const_iterator end; } |
| 15:41.02 | Shirik_ | ? |
| 15:41.14 | Fisker | haste :( |
| 15:41.17 | Cide | maybe |
| 15:41.40 | Shirik_ | though at that point you begin to go "why aren't we just accessing the vector" |
| 15:41.40 | Fisker | i accidentally rsync to a mount that wasn't set up for automatic mounting on system boot :( |
| 15:41.48 | Fisker | recursion is a bitch |
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| 15:41.57 | Fisker | hej Kalroth |
| 15:42.02 | Cide | I have a feeling shared_ptr<vector<shared_ptr<...>>> is easier |
| 15:42.05 | Fisker | sutter du pik på mænd i dag? igen i dag |
| 15:42.09 | Cide | especially since it has to interface with boost.python |
| 15:42.14 | Cide | but |
| 15:42.25 | Cide | can I initialize a shared_ptr to null without specifying the whole type again? |
| 15:42.27 | Cide | -_- |
| 15:42.45 | Kalroth | Fisker: Ja, du gjorde det i går, så det er min tur i dag |
| 15:43.26 | haste | Shirik_: obviously my package that was so awesome that it swapped with yours |
| 15:44.17 | bluspacecow | Fisker you I fondle as your mother too |
| 15:44.37 | bluspacecow | >_< |
| 15:44.40 | bluspacecow | nvm |
| 15:47.10 | haste | eats Fisker. |
| 15:47.55 | bluspacecow | * sprinkles ost og paprika, og tar en bit av Fisker også* |
| 15:48.36 | bluspacecow | how bad is this google translator anyway ? |
| 15:48.45 | haste | pretty good |
| 15:49.07 | haste | sprinkles is the only word that shouldn't be there :P |
| 15:49.28 | bluspacecow | couldn't find a close equivilent |
| 15:49.32 | Fisker | indeed bluspacecow |
| 15:49.37 | Fisker | btw haste |
| 15:49.39 | haste | drysser would have worked |
| 15:49.40 | bluspacecow | sprinkles as adding a dash of something ? |
| 15:49.41 | Fisker | why must linux suck? |
| 15:50.24 | haste | bluspacecow: sprinkles is very much english :P |
| 15:52.02 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
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| 15:52.24 | haste | evades. |
| 15:52.36 | bluspacecow | looks at fisker expectedly |
| 15:52.41 | bluspacecow | *taps foot* |
| 15:52.55 | cog|work | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large Fisker |
| 15:53.03 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 15:54.56 | mikma | haste: nice evade |
| 15:55.02 | haste | evades. |
| 15:55.14 | mikma | has quit (lololo) |
| 15:55.24 | bluspacecow | >_> is raining |
| 15:55.37 | mikma | its raning eyes? eww |
| 15:55.38 | bluspacecow | http://metservice.com/towns-cities/hamilton |
| 15:58.16 | bluspacecow | wtf |
| 15:58.16 | bluspacecow | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/15935_566388321172_7103722_33563911_1233793_n.jpg |
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| 16:00.48 | Xinhuan | !seen cogwheel |
| 16:00.59 | cog|work | ~seen cog|work |
| 16:01.01 | purl | cog|work is currently on #wowprogramming #lua-wow #wowuidev. Has said a total of 39 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~seen cog|work'. |
| 16:01.02 | Xinhuan | aha |
| 16:01.04 | Xinhuan | hiding |
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| 16:01.16 | cog|work | cog[tab] generally = win ;) |
| 16:01.33 | Gnamra | Just ordered the wow programming book, hope its worth it :p |
| 16:01.38 | TC-Work | it isnt |
| 16:01.42 | nevcairiel | i hope the second edition |
| 16:01.45 | Gnamra | Yea |
| 16:01.45 | Gnamra | ofc |
| 16:02.06 | Gnamra | @TC-Work why not? :p |
| 16:02.12 | TC-Work | but they thank you for the 'people with out a life' funding |
| 16:02.28 | TC-Work | Gnamra: dont mind me, i am just trolling |
| 16:02.47 | TC-Work | the authors though, not you |
| 16:03.00 | Lopeppeppy | Gnamra, the book is very worth purchasing. Don't listen to TC. :) |
| 16:03.12 | bluspacecow | haha lolz |
| 16:03.19 | bluspacecow | cog = one of the authors lolz |
| 16:03.27 | TC-Work | never listen to TC, especially about not listening to him. |
| 16:03.29 | bluspacecow | well was at least |
| 16:03.37 | Xinhuan | i borrowed the book from the local library |
| 16:03.41 | bluspacecow | thats a double negative ! |
| 16:03.47 | TC-Work | ^_^ |
| 16:03.49 | nevcairiel | they had something like that there? |
| 16:03.51 | nevcairiel | interesting |
| 16:03.52 | Xinhuan | then i browsed thru it a bit, then didn't really touch it again until the due date ;p |
| 16:03.56 | Xinhuan | yep |
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| 16:04.03 | bluspacecow | ::roll:: |
| 16:04.06 | Xinhuan | i found 2 errors which i told clad lol |
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| 16:04.07 | nevcairiel | I should give my 2 extra copys to some library |
| 16:04.17 | Gnamra | So.. it's good then? |
| 16:04.20 | haste | ponders playign beat hazard. |
| 16:04.22 | TC-Work | nevcairiel: school library |
| 16:04.34 | bluspacecow | @gnamra word |
| 16:04.37 | Shirik_ | haste: So now I get a package of awesomeness? |
| 16:04.40 | nevcairiel | but its first ed, so meh |
| 16:04.52 | haste | Shirik_: noes, I just stole your time slot |
| 16:05.02 | TC-Work | Shirik_: you want hastes package of awesomeness? |
| 16:05.36 | Gnamra | 1400 pages O.o |
| 16:05.52 | KarlKFI | beat hazard is fun |
| 16:05.57 | KarlKFI | seasure inducing |
| 16:06.38 | haste | I need to unlock insane and such |
| 16:06.55 | haste | hardcore became too easy when I fuond out my PS3 controller blocked dare devil :P |
| 16:07.07 | p3lim | is there some way to skin mIRC? |
| 16:07.08 | haste | went from 150k scores to 2.5 mill |
| 16:07.08 | Fisker | haste |
| 16:07.14 | haste | *dinnerr* |
| 16:08.21 | KarlKFI | playing it with mouse and kb is easy enough |
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| 16:12.38 | Shirik_ | rofl |
| 16:12.41 | Shirik_ | in the news today... |
| 16:12.53 | zenzelezz | what's with the underscore? |
| 16:12.57 | Shirik_ | The $43.7 million contract award to Boeing/Insitu to launch the engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) phase with the Integrator UAS on 29 July came after three years of delays in the source selection process. |
| 16:12.58 | Shirik_ | But the navy programme office's analytical technique was actually fairly simple, says Capt J P Brown, UAS programme manager for Naval Air Systems (NAVAIR) command. |
| 16:13.02 | zenzelezz | surely an engineer knows how to ghost |
| 16:13.41 | Zyn | p3lim, it can be skinned to some extent, like NNScript (now longer updated) does |
| 16:14.03 | Fisker | Shirik_ |
| 16:14.03 | Shirik_ | zenzelezz: That's at home |
| 16:14.07 | Fisker | i came |
| 16:14.11 | Gintaro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE6wt300Vfw&fmt=18#t=1m32s |
| 16:14.19 | Zyn | no longer* |
| 16:14.25 | zenzelezz | Shirik_: you're only an engineer at home? |
| 16:14.47 | bluspacecow | yes |
| 16:14.53 | bluspacecow | in the bedroom >_> |
| 16:15.15 | zenzelezz | oh yeah honey, short that circuit! |
| 16:15.44 | zenzelezz | overcome the resistance! |
| 16:15.45 | Cide | .............. |
| 16:15.46 | Shirik_ | ... |
| 16:15.49 | Cide | I win |
| 16:16.59 | Fisker | Shirik_ |
| 16:20.27 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 16:20.43 | Lopeppeppy | No disassemble number 5! Number 5 is alive! |
| 16:21.08 | Fisker | you |
| 16:21.12 | Fisker | stares |
| 16:21.16 | haste | KarlKFI: I usually do due wine, but it made dare devil not tick :P |
| 16:21.38 | haste | KarlKFI: and I usually use my PS3 controller when I play danmaku |
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| 16:25.21 | Shirik_ | hindenberg part 2? |
| 16:25.32 | cog|work | http://w00tstock.net/2010/08/16/wil-quits-w00tstock/ |
| 16:25.41 | Shirik_ | apparently the llink didn't work http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/asd/2010/08/16/16.xml&headline=U.K.%20Balloon%20Goes%20Up%20Over%20Afghanistan |
| 16:25.48 | cog|work | Ackis: |
| 16:27.17 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/966501924 |
| 16:28.08 | Adys | Ok, I need a new mouse. :( |
| 16:28.11 | Adys | Any advice? |
| 16:28.22 | cog|work | logitech g7 if they still make 'em |
| 16:28.31 | cog|work | similar model if they don't |
| 16:29.03 | cog|work | Ackis: click mah link |
| 16:29.07 | Cide | \h9 |
| 16:29.09 | Cide | G9 |
| 16:29.11 | Adys | cog|work: I probably can't live without the MX scrollwheel though |
| 16:29.13 | Cide | from the guy who recommended the htc desire |
| 16:29.14 | Adys | does it have that? |
| 16:29.19 | Cide | get the g9 |
| 16:29.24 | Cide | gogogo |
| 16:29.47 | Adys | g9 isnt wireless |
| 16:29.48 | Adys | :( |
| 16:29.55 | Cide | why do you need a wireless mouse |
| 16:30.01 | cog|work | Adys: what does the MX scroll wheel do? |
| 16:30.11 | Adys | cog|work: it's a "free" scrollwheel (no clicks) |
| 16:30.19 | Cide | g9 does that |
| 16:30.22 | Adys | lets you scroll large amounts extremely fast |
| 16:30.24 | Cide | g9 does that |
| 16:30.32 | Cide | it lets you toggle between the two modes |
| 16:30.36 | Adys | yeah |
| 16:30.49 | TC-Work | i like the Microsoft one that clicks till you go fast, then unhinges itself |
| 16:31.08 | Adys | the mx can do that (Im guessing the g9 too) |
| 16:31.13 | Cide | g9 can't actually |
| 16:31.22 | Adys | its a driver thing |
| 16:31.30 | cog|work | so i went to the logitech site to get drivers for the laptop and i searched for "g7" . It gave me every single "G#" product sorted in descending order, so it was third from last -_- |
| 16:31.35 | cog|work | ~lart logitech's website |
| 16:31.35 | purl | slaps logitech's website upside the head with a wet fish |
| 16:31.46 | Adys | also Cide the thing is, with cables |
| 16:31.51 | Adys | they just get in the way so much |
| 16:31.53 | Adys | I dont know |
| 16:32.08 | Cide | no... not really |
| 16:32.12 | TC-Work | cales = > ms response |
| 16:32.15 | Fisker | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/world-of-warcraftr-cataclysmtm-collectors-edition-announced-2010-08-17?reflink=MW_news_stmp <-zomg |
| 16:32.20 | TC-Work | cables* |
| 16:32.22 | Shirik_ | YES |
| 16:32.25 | Shirik_ | best solution I ever heard |
| 16:32.44 | Shirik_ | The border is a problem with a simple solution, sentry guns. Yes, sentry guns. *chirp chirp* no more problem. A wall doesn't work, we already know that was a waste of money, and just watching the people cross the border doesn't help either. |
| 16:33.15 | Adys | Cide: I have both a cord and cordless mouse |
| 16:33.39 | Shirik_ | cords don't work well with cordless mice |
| 16:33.52 | TC-Work | $80 for the CE, i wonder how much bank they make on that |
| 16:33.59 | Adys | I need a cordless with solid reception, good battery, a charger that doesn't have a contact flaw |
| 16:34.20 | Fisker | a billion million TC-Work |
| 16:34.20 | Shirik_ | TC-Work: I actually bet they make more profit on the standard edition |
| 16:34.28 | Shirik_ | I mean think about it, the standard edition is just a plastic disc |
| 16:34.35 | Shirik_ | the CE has a bunch of other stuff |
| 16:34.40 | cog|work | Adys: fantasy land imo |
| 16:34.43 | Shirik_ | not to mention more expensive shipping |
| 16:34.44 | cog|work | -_- |
| 16:34.51 | TC-Work | mostly just more plastic disks |
| 16:34.52 | nevcairiel | the extras in the CE don't make up another $40 in production cost |
| 16:35.00 | TC-Work | the only thing that costs is the book |
| 16:35.03 | Shirik_ | sure, nevcairiel |
| 16:35.05 | Adys | cog|work: good battery for me is something that can last say one day more than the mx |
| 16:35.08 | Shirik_ | but it becomes a question of margin |
| 16:35.08 | Adys | and im not that bothered |
| 16:35.13 | Fisker | and the TCG cards :3 |
| 16:35.15 | Fisker | also the packaging |
| 16:35.38 | cog|work | Adys: my g7 battery lasts about a day, but it comes with two that are quick swappable so you have one in the charger and one in the mouse |
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| 16:35.53 | cog|work | (a day of intense gaming) |
| 16:35.59 | Adys | the mx lasts around two days of intense usage |
| 16:36.07 | Shirik_ | omg it comes with TCG cards? |
| 16:36.15 | Shirik_ | that's enough for me to buy |
| 16:36.18 | Fisker | (A day of intense using the mouse for farmville, as that is the only appropiate usage)* |
| 16:36.20 | nevcairiel | reason not to get it |
| 16:36.21 | Adys | Shirik: so did tbc |
| 16:36.26 | Fisker | and wotlk |
| 16:36.28 | Shirik_ | yes |
| 16:36.28 | cog|work | Adys: is the mx cradle charged or battery? |
| 16:36.30 | Shirik_ | and I bought it |
| 16:36.38 | Shirik_ | cog|work: no |
| 16:36.45 | Adys | cog|work: cradle |
| 16:36.51 | Shirik_ | at least the performance MX it charges with a mini-usb cable |
| 16:36.59 | Adys | cog|work: and theres a stupid annoying contact issue in the charger |
| 16:37.10 | Adys | cog|work: kd3 also witnessed it. i more or less fixed it but it came back |
| 16:37.20 | cog|work | Adys: i think i like my quick-swap battery better than a fixed or corded charger |
| 16:37.25 | cog|work | attached to the mouse |
| 16:37.37 | cog|work | even if it means less time between swaps |
| 16:37.49 | Shirik_ | well the cool thing about using a mini-USB is that you can continue to use it while charging |
| 16:37.53 | Shirik_ | it just becomes a corded mouse while charging |
| 16:38.11 | Shirik_ | (you can also plug it into a wall a la ipod if you so desire) |
| 16:38.17 | Fisker | Why does it have to be mini-usb? |
| 16:38.24 | Fisker | What about standard usb or microusb? |
| 16:38.32 | nevcairiel | standard is too big |
| 16:38.37 | cog|work | Shirik_: the charging station is also the wireless receiver which plugs into usb anyway. I could probably charge it off an ipod thingy too |
| 16:38.41 | Fisker | naw nevcairiel |
| 16:38.45 | cog|work | actually the wireless receiver plugs into the charging station |
| 16:38.56 | Shirik_ | cog|work: the performance MX has no charging station |
| 16:38.57 | cog|work | it's just a little dongle that you can plug directly into the usb port if you wanted |
| 16:38.57 | nevcairiel | micro is fine, my phone uses it |
| 16:39.08 | Shirik_ | the wireless receiver is just that nano reciever |
| 16:39.09 | p3lim | any of you know a way to customize mIRC beyond the default settings? |
| 16:39.18 | Cralor` | Well... I'm not sure what your budget is, but the Razer Mamba has the Wireless/Wired support (via USB)... has cradle charging... not sure about the scrolling. it also says "14hrs (continuous gaming); 72 hours (normal gaming usage) " |
| 16:39.19 | Fisker | it's just Shirik_ says it's the cool thing about using mini-usb |
| 16:39.22 | Shirik_ | p3lim: nbs-irc |
| 16:39.28 | nevcairiel | p3lim: mirc has like this complex scripting and theming engine, just google already |
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| 16:39.34 | Fisker | just odd, thought basically standard and micro-usb would have similar qualities |
| 16:39.36 | Fisker | perhaps not :( |
| 16:39.53 | Cide | NoNameScript! |
| 16:40.02 | Cide | blast from the past |
| 16:40.07 | p3lim | Cide: NNS seems to be dead |
| 16:40.11 | nevcairiel | i used to use NNS, but i think its rather abandoned |
| 16:40.11 | Cide | weak |
| 16:40.16 | nevcairiel | probably still works, though |
| 16:40.20 | p3lim | nah, tried |
| 16:40.21 | Adys | or |
| 16:40.21 | Fisker | only germans use nns |
| 16:40.25 | Adys | "dont fucking use mirc" |
| 16:40.29 | Cide | ^ |
| 16:40.32 | nevcairiel | i dont even use mirc anymore, so meh :) |
| 16:40.34 | Fisker | mirc is the best client of all times |
| 16:40.53 | nevcairiel | it took them only what, 20 years to get unicode support? |
| 16:40.54 | cog|work | irssi imo |
| 16:40.56 | p3lim | well, I've tried a good amount of clients, but havent setteled with one yet |
| 16:41.00 | nevcairiel | is that unicode client out of beta already anyway? =P |
| 16:41.11 | p3lim | cog|work: too complicated :p |
| 16:41.15 | Fisker | unicode support has been in for a billion years nevcairiel |
| 16:41.27 | cog|work | p3lim: compared to mIRC? |
| 16:41.40 | TC-Work | Adys: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B002HWRJBM/wwwtechdealne-20 has a $20 rebate form. |
| 16:41.42 | p3lim | I can't even get it installed |
| 16:41.48 | cog|work | maybe getting it set up the way you want initially... |
| 16:41.50 | cog|work | yeah :P |
| 16:41.51 | nevcairiel | Fisker: then why does it say "This is the first stable release of the new Unicode version of mIRC." in the 7.1 version? |
| 16:41.56 | TC-Work | Adys: nvm, expired |
| 16:42.00 | cog|work | unix moar imo |
| 16:42.09 | Fisker | nevcairiel "new" |
| 16:42.35 | nevcairiel | "new unicode version" = "new version, now with unicode" |
| 16:42.49 | Cide | it actually comes up with a new unicode standard |
| 16:42.52 | Cide | and implements it |
| 16:42.58 | Adys | lol Cide |
| 16:43.00 | nevcairiel | "The project to convert mIRC to Unicode has taken almost two years of development" ... etc ^ |
| 16:43.01 | Cide | so it's (new unicode) version, not new (unicode version) |
| 16:43.04 | Fisker | no |
| 16:43.16 | Fisker | "New unicode version" = "New version of unicode support" |
| 16:43.23 | nevcairiel | conver to unicode means it was not unicode before |
| 16:43.25 | Cide | (new version of unicode) support |
| 16:43.27 | Fisker | unicode has been supported since 6.xx |
| 16:43.34 | nevcairiel | barely |
| 16:43.38 | Fisker | worked fine |
| 16:43.41 | Adys | Cide/cog|work I'm thinking of getting the performance mx |
| 16:43.42 | Fisker | never had any issues with it |
| 16:43.42 | Shirik_ | bad Cide |
| 16:43.49 | Shirik_ | if you used right-to-left order you wouldn't need parentheses |
| 16:44.00 | Shirik_ | unicode new version |
| 16:44.02 | Fisker | But it wasn't built with unicode in mind, it was just an upgrade on an old platform |
| 16:44.06 | Fisker | HENCE NEW UNICODE VERSION |
| 16:44.17 | Adys | wtf |
| 16:44.18 | Adys | wtrf |
| 16:44.19 | Cide | might as well use RPN then, shirik |
| 16:44.20 | Adys | dfskgfdkgkl |
| 16:44.24 | Adys | "Touch Mouse by Logitech turns your iPhone or iPod touch into a wireless trackpad and keyboard for your computer." |
| 16:44.28 | Adys | WHY would you do that |
| 16:44.40 | nevcairiel | finally a good use for a ipad |
| 16:44.43 | Cide | couch surfing |
| 16:44.43 | Shirik_ | (new (version unicode)) |
| 16:44.44 | Shirik_ | ? |
| 16:44.50 | Cide | that's lisp |
| 16:44.53 | Adys | Shirik, stop lisping |
| 16:44.54 | Shirik_ | yes |
| 16:45.06 | Shirik_ | I don't know what to do for operator new |
| 16:45.08 | Shirik_ | for RPN |
| 16:45.16 | Shirik_ | + version unicode |
| 16:45.17 | Shirik_ | ? |
| 16:45.22 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1932-Cataclysm-Collector-s-Edition-Announced |
| 16:45.27 | Cide | or * |
| 16:45.30 | Adys | FUCKING OLD KRAPS |
| 16:45.36 | Cide | or ! |
| 16:45.40 | Fisker | very |
| 16:45.46 | Kraps | oh... |
| 16:45.47 | p3lim | fuck irssi, can't get it set up :/ |
| 16:45.49 | Shirik_ | I did it wrong anyway didn't I |
| 16:45.52 | Shirik_ | it's a b + |
| 16:45.54 | Shirik_ | not + a b |
| 16:45.54 | Cide | probably |
| 16:45.56 | Cide | yep |
| 16:46.09 | Shirik_ | that's the R part |
| 16:46.27 | Cide | so anyway |
| 16:46.38 | Fisker | Shirik_ |
| 16:46.42 | Fisker | i had nevcairiel totally commit suicide |
| 16:46.46 | Fisker | being right is fucking awesome |
| 16:46.56 | Kraps | WELL YOU GUYS SUCK |
| 16:46.58 | Shirik_ | oh shit |
| 16:47.09 | Shirik_ | it comes with a starter deck? |
| 16:47.17 | Fisker | old |
| 16:47.29 | Shirik_ | I wonder which decks they're using |
| 16:47.40 | nevcairiel | it says there |
| 16:47.42 | Shirik_ | wtb horde priest starter deck |
| 16:47.49 | Shirik_ | no I mean what class |
| 16:48.08 | Shirik_ | the horde priest starter deck has a card in it that's worth more than the cost of the deck :P |
| 16:48.26 | nevcairiel | so why don't you just buy it and sell the card? |
| 16:48.27 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 16:48.31 | Shirik_ | people do |
| 16:48.37 | Shirik_ | but I need the card |
| 16:48.50 | nevcairiel | will probably be random |
| 16:48.52 | Cide | so you're interested in buying the collector's edition |
| 16:48.55 | Cide | urdoinitwrong |
| 16:49.08 | nevcairiel | i never got a collectors, and not going to start now :d |
| 16:49.09 | Shirik_ | well I want the CE anyway |
| 16:49.14 | Kraps | mini deathwing! |
| 16:49.18 | Shirik_ | but if they give me a horde priest deck I will be like :D |
| 16:49.20 | nevcairiel | I pay enough for this game already |
| 16:49.21 | Fisker | i'm already looking forward to the next 24 hours |
| 16:49.27 | Fisker | price gouging tiems |
| 16:49.34 | Cide | ah |
| 16:49.40 | Lopeppeppy | So, if I get a horde priest deck, whatcha gonna give me? |
| 16:50.04 | Kraps | chewy cookies? |
| 16:50.05 | Shirik_ | a win at SC2? |
| 16:50.11 | Shirik_ | ok I'm sorry that was mean :( |
| 16:50.17 | Shirik_ | <3 Lopeppeppy |
| 16:50.21 | Cide | it's not a reward if she has to pull all the load herself, Shirik_ |
| 16:51.25 | Shirik_ | I meant against me |
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| 16:51.42 | Lopeppeppy | Pull... load... .*snark* |
| 16:51.44 | Fisker | robokitty |
| 16:51.57 | Cide | oic |
| 16:52.26 | Fisker | you came? |
| 16:52.49 | Cide | maybe when this stuff compiles again |
| 16:53.39 | Fisker | :o |
| 16:54.36 | Shirik_ | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 16:55.53 | Cide | you are ignoring my pm's Shirik_ :( |
| 16:56.32 | Shirik_ | they don't really pop up |
| 16:56.46 | Cide | wat |
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| 16:57.54 | Kraps | Fisker: i went |
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| 16:59.13 | cloudwolf | lol looking at the chinese censorship additions is funny |
| 16:59.27 | cloudwolf | they changed a mangled abom corpse into a straw effige |
| 17:01.46 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo&feature=player_embedded |
| 17:02.23 | cloudwolf | yay always look on the bright side of life do do do do |
| 17:02.47 | cloudwolf | i have the entire soundtrack for monty pythons spam alot |
| 17:03.14 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/17/funny-pictures-usb-kitteh/ |
| 17:03.58 | cloudwolf | looks like its gonna fire lasers outa its eyes |
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| 17:07.22 | Lopeppeppy | sharks with lasers... |
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| 17:11.26 | cloudwolf | lopeppeppy :D goblin starting zone has dat |
| 17:11.37 | cog|work | :) |
| 17:12.06 | cog|work | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/july/undeadonraptoronsharkwithfrickinlaserbeams.jpg |
| 17:12.29 | cloudwolf | oh yeah and epicusmaximus lol |
| 17:12.59 | Lopeppeppy | I need me some goblins! |
| 17:13.07 | Lopeppeppy | 44 hours left to download patch 1... *sigh* |
| 17:13.39 | zenzelezz | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/08/16/demotivational-posters-norwegian-road-patrol/ |
| 17:15.56 | cloudwolf | poor lopeppeppy D: yes the patch are time consuming |
| 17:17.24 | Lopeppeppy | trudges onward. |
| 17:18.13 | Shirik_ | fyi |
| 17:18.14 | Shirik_ | "Looks like collectors edition also has two EA (extended art) cards, two collectors exclusive hero crds only. One is Goblin and one is Worgen" |
| 17:18.58 | cloudwolf | i would want the collectors edition mostly for the art book, behind the scenes and then deathwing mini pet |
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| 17:19.09 | Shirik_ | Lopeppeppy: you can have a shark with lazer if you get me a horde priest starter |
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| 17:19.16 | Lopeppeppy | already on my amazon wish list, Shirik! |
| 17:19.35 | Shirik_ | :D |
| 17:19.46 | TC-Work | "this can be easily obtained by going to Skype .com and singing up," heh, i sing up all the time at skype |
| 17:20.45 | cloudwolf | fml did steam just crash LOL |
| 17:21.07 | zenzelezz | people use "fml" too often |
| 17:21.32 | cloudwolf | just like lol,rofl, etc |
| 17:22.03 | zenzelezz | no, those don't carry a message as strong as "fml" |
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| 17:22.34 | cloudwolf | Overuse has degraded its meaning. Unlike racist remarks where no matter the number of uses its still wrong. |
| 17:22.43 | Cide | "Today, I went to school. FML" |
| 17:22.59 | Kraps | yeah, they also use elie wiesel in perceived injustices regarding a video game |
| 17:24.18 | cloudwolf | kraps source? that intersts me a little |
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| 17:25.57 | Ackis | https://twitter.com/jpasula/status/21419748752 :( |
| 17:26.37 | Dagmar | Ackis: Depends on how long it's been feral |
| 17:27.39 | Kraps | cloudwolf: hmm looks like it was deleted |
| 17:27.56 | cloudwolf | what was the gist of the article? |
| 17:28.10 | Kraps | thread on the sc2 forums |
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| 17:28.35 | cloudwolf | ah |
| 17:29.00 | Kraps | we discussed it yesterday |
| 17:29.25 | cloudwolf | i wasn't paying attention yesterday :D |
| 17:30.18 | Kraps | see, blizzard deleting multiple posts on the same topic is clearly a danger to our essential freedoms |
| 17:30.50 | cloudwolf | heh |
| 17:32.03 | Kraps | Ackis: whos that? |
| 17:33.34 | Fisker | agreed Kraps |
| 17:33.49 | Fisker | it's ackis btw Kraps |
| 17:34.08 | Kraps | thought so |
| 17:34.13 | Fisker | btw my penis is feral Ackis |
| 17:34.51 | Dewin | ackis: We have... quite the story of trapping a feral cat. |
| 17:35.51 | Dewin | Ours had gone missing and some people thought they saw him in their backyard so they started feeding him, but he wouldn't let them get close at all. So we borrowed my sister-in-laws cat trap (she's a vet) and caught... a cat that didn't end up being ours at all. |
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| 17:39.21 | Lopeppeppy | Rosie was feral for at least 2 years before she got caught. Poor kitty. |
| 17:40.17 | Shirik_ | what exactly does feral mean? |
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| 17:40.40 | Adys | SO |
| 17:40.55 | cloudwolf | wild |
| 17:41.03 | Adys | I had to fix some stuff on a bot and I got some never gonna give you up lyrics wrong |
| 17:41.04 | Kraps | does alley = feral? |
| 17:41.14 | Adys | I haven't been rickrolled in too long |
| 17:41.15 | Adys | yay |
| 17:41.51 | cloudwolf | i would say wild is reverting backwards in domestication such as picking up old wild patterns. say hunting for itself |
| 17:42.50 | Adys | Shirik: "savage" |
| 17:43.08 | cloudwolf | defeinition 2 b on websters |
| 17:43.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik_: http://www.google.com/search?q=define:feral |
| 17:43.19 | cloudwolf | "having escape from domesticationa nd beocme wild." |
| 17:43.27 | cloudwolf | *and become |
| 17:43.44 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, it could mean feral. Depends on if they are someone's outdoor cat, with access to human socialization -- or hunting and living and dying on their own, with no human socialization. |
| 17:44.22 | Dagmar | Feral cats are hard to resocialize, because they're quite fine on their own naturally |
| 17:46.36 | Lunessa | And once they've decided that they don't /need/ you, they don't /want/ you. |
| 17:47.36 | Lopeppeppy | They never wanted you in the first place. :P |
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| 17:47.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 17:48.00 | cloudwolf | funny story form a year or two ago. like 20 chihuahua's got loose from a breeder and went feral. just imagine 20 feral little dogs attacking things i just makes me lol |
| 17:48.02 | Lunessa | They only let you think they wanted you, because sometimes getting the chin scratched is nice. |
| 17:48.03 | NightHawkTheSane | its just they no longer have a reason to tolerate you |
| 17:48.29 | cloudwolf | *it |
| 17:48.42 | Shirik_ | NightHawkTheSane: blah |
| 17:48.56 | Fisker | feral farts Shirik_ |
| 17:48.58 | Kraps | huh, theres a tv show about angel |
| 17:50.03 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, Rosie spent last night trying to braid my hair. It was unamusing. :P |
| 17:50.11 | Lunessa | lulz |
| 17:50.52 | Fisker | one of our cats can open a window |
| 17:51.25 | cog|work | cloudwolf: like little furry zerglings |
| 17:51.32 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 17:51.33 | Fisker | cooooooooooooooog |
| 17:51.42 | cog|work | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUsker |
| 17:51.55 | Fisker | i resent that |
| 17:54.20 | cog|work | holy crap i can't believe how idiotic some of the people on the SC forums are. Yes, I've done my time on WoW General .... |
| 17:55.12 | cloudwolf | link to stupidity? |
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| 17:56.31 | cbreak | blizzard has their own fair share of stupididty there |
| 17:57.09 | cog|work | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/375112546 |
| 17:57.19 | cog|work | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/374942470 |
| 17:57.24 | Dagmar | What'll fix it is a lot more bans for stupid posts |
| 17:57.41 | cog|work | oh hell... just go to http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/ |
| 17:57.42 | cbreak | I got banned for a very reasonable post from there... |
| 17:57.46 | Dagmar | ...because the trolls have just about become the _norm_ |
| 17:57.48 | cbreak | *grumble* |
| 17:58.32 | Kraps | cbreak: dont belive you |
| 17:59.02 | Dagmar | Maybe some of htese little wankers will go play LOTRO now |
| 17:59.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: unlikely |
| 18:00.38 | Dagmar | But it's got a "beta" so they can get in it and feel speshyl |
| 18:06.30 | Ackis | one of the main reasons blizzard forums are retarded are because of the staff that moderate them... you have retards looking after retards so it makes everything that much more retarded |
| 18:06.53 | Ackis | it's like retard to the power of retard |
| 18:09.34 | durcyn | news flash: great unwashed still not washed |
| 18:09.50 | Adys | there is some seriously exciting stuff in upcoming wine-1.3.1 |
| 18:10.07 | Adys | incl. drag & dropping between windows and x11 apps |
| 18:10.08 | Adys | kd3: ^ |
| 18:10.17 | kd3 | ! |
| 18:10.53 | Kraps | any of you seen a tv show called new amsterdam? |
| 18:11.03 | durcyn | what just syncing the primary selection with the clipboard? not exactly novel, but useful. |
| 18:11.24 | Adys | durcyn: Uh |
| 18:11.30 | Lunessa | Kraps: It's on hulu.com I saw several episodes before getting bored. |
| 18:11.50 | Adys | this involves converting between xdnd and ole drag&drop protocols |
| 18:11.55 | durcyn | Adys: what, more than just text, go on |
| 18:12.04 | Adys | like files, images, so on |
| 18:12.36 | Adys | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14217 |
| 18:12.39 | Adys | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13714 |
| 18:12.41 | Adys | this sort of stuff |
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| 18:15.23 | Fisker | btw kd3 |
| 18:15.31 | kd3 | yes fisk-fisk? |
| 18:16.01 | Fisker | I guess there's some kind of gnome counterpart for requesting elevation when trying to perform tasks that require elevation? |
| 18:16.23 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: gksudo? |
| 18:16.23 | kd3 | gksu or something similar. it should prompt automagically |
| 18:16.36 | Fisker | nixw |
| 18:16.41 | Fisker | nice* |
| 18:18.14 | Dagmar | Usually there's both |
| 18:19.20 | mikma | nsfw, funny! http://kotaku.com/5612922/team-fortress-2-video-meet-the-f+bomber |
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| 18:21.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh. fucking seriously. I get assigned a bug back from /another developer/ with the note "need steps to reproduce", sure, except that i already exactly describe the problem. I don't need to goddamn hand-hold you through hitting a fucking webservice. |
| 18:21.58 | Dagmar | NHTS: Repaste, resend, re-lol |
| 18:23.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: meh, i dont want to make an issue out of it, i just succinctly linked the url to the webservice i already named, and repeated what i already said was missing from the response. There's nothing more i can do to "reproduce" it. |
| 18:23.15 | Ackis | link to original > repaste/resending |
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| 18:24.15 | malreth_ | wait... Cataclysm CE only available in retail stores? fuckers! |
| 18:24.33 | TC-Work | i think amazon counts however |
| 18:24.38 | Fisker | you're trolling me malreth_ |
| 18:24.50 | malreth_ | rolls Fisker |
| 18:24.51 | Fisker | that or stupid, etc. |
| 18:24.53 | Lopeppeppy | It's on Amazon, I promise. |
| 18:25.04 | Fisker | retail = Not on Blizzard's online store |
| 18:25.06 | malreth | ok... i can calm down now |
| 18:25.08 | Fisker | simples, etc. |
| 18:27.42 | Lopeppeppy | breathe, malreth, just breathe |
| 18:27.46 | Lopeppeppy | I have a paper bag if you need it. |
| 18:27.53 | malreth | glomps Lopeppeppy |
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| 18:28.08 | Zhinjio | blah. gamestop isn't allowing their pre-orders for instore pickup. |
| 18:28.13 | Zhinjio | cries. |
| 18:28.20 | Zhinjio | no midnight trip to the store this tim e |
| 18:28.36 | Shirik_ | for what? |
| 18:28.42 | Zhinjio | CC CE |
| 18:28.44 | Lunessa | slips malreth a dirty martini |
| 18:28.56 | Shirik_ | you're already ordering it? :) |
| 18:29.00 | Zhinjio | just did. |
| 18:29.02 | Zhinjio | of course. |
| 18:29.02 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/apps/features/ |
| 18:29.12 | Shirik_ | I would prefer it be shipped anway |
| 18:29.16 | Shirik_ | don't want to deal with store |
| 18:29.19 | Zhinjio | yeah, so it'll be shipped next day |
| 18:29.36 | Shirik_ | they usually ship it so it arrives on the right day |
| 18:29.45 | Zhinjio | limit 2 per household. heh |
| 18:30.08 | Zhinjio | I VILL BUY UP ZE ENTIRE SCHTOCK!!!P!!P!()! |
| 18:30.18 | Fisker | slaps Shirik_ around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:30.39 | Fisker | real men ordered CE a couple of months ago |
| 18:30.40 | malreth | i'm an amazon prime whore so i'll probably opt for the overnight shipping |
| 18:30.46 | Fisker | that way you don't get price gouged |
| 18:31.06 | Fisker | i'm guessing with the announcement prices will go up a 40-50$ here |
| 18:31.24 | Fisker | if not more due to being wow, etc. |
| 18:33.08 | Ackis | Zhinjio: the sku will be added tomorrow I was told (for local eb games that is) |
| 18:33.35 | Zhinjio | Ackis: I thought you didn't play anymore?!?!? *nudge* |
| 18:33.39 | Zhinjio | and thanks. |
| 18:34.09 | Ackis | I have my 2 free months :D but I have it pre-ordered regardless, figure I'll hold onto it if I don't play but Chantelle wants to play |
| 18:34.16 | Zhinjio | cool |
| 18:34.18 | Dagmar | Wait... Does this mean we have an actual date for Cataclysm's release? |
| 18:34.24 | Zhinjio | nope |
| 18:34.28 | Ackis | Dagmar: Sept 11 |
| 18:34.29 | Dagmar | Fuck. |
| 18:34.42 | Dagmar | Ackis: Wrong Cataclysm |
| 18:34.49 | Lopeppeppy | No, there's no release date yet. |
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| 18:35.39 | Fisker | http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/modern-warfare-2-for-poor/348688?playlist=featured <lold |
| 18:36.30 | Lunessa | Ackis: Um, not really funny? |
| 18:36.39 | Dagmar | I thought that went without saying |
| 18:36.49 | olafski | any word on whether we can buy cataclysm online and download it the day it releases? |
| 18:36.52 | Fisker | really was hilarious |
| 18:36.59 | olafski | iirc with wotlk it took a week before you could download it from blizzard or so |
| 18:37.04 | Cide | that looks awesome |
| 18:37.07 | Lunessa | With Ackis you have to point shit out. He's like a puppy that way. |
| 18:37.13 | Dagmar | olafski: No word, but I'm figuring since they pulled that off with SC2 that they'll probbaly do the same for Cara |
| 18:37.14 | Fisker | unfortunately the date isn't plausible due to being a saturday and all |
| 18:37.15 | Dagmar | er cata |
| 18:37.47 | olafski | dagmar: the wotlk thing or releasing it on the same day? |
| 18:37.52 | olafski | I'd rather not have to go to a store either |
| 18:37.55 | Zhinjio | btw, if any of you have or are considering getting tickets to go see Rush's Time Machine tour, they completely rocked last night |
| 18:37.58 | Ackis | what is Sept 11 going to be a taboo date forever? :P it's just a day, one of 365 in the year |
| 18:37.59 | olafski | my gf is going to wait in line at midnight though :P |
| 18:38.05 | Zhinjio | anyway, lunch. back later. |
| 18:38.20 | Fisker | oh no you didn't Ackis |
| 18:38.48 | Ackis | everyday is an anniversary that bad shit happened Fisker :P |
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| 18:39.41 | Dagmar | Dude, the only thing I can figure is you slept in that morning |
| 18:39.57 | Dagmar | It's probably never going to be funny to make jokes like that |
| 18:40.23 | Dagmar | I know people who watched the network in that building go down. |
| 18:40.25 | Fisker | like that guy said in the news on that day "Finally someone is hitting back" |
| 18:40.30 | Ackis | I work across the street from the Edmonton World Trade Centre and it has airplanes engraved on the building |
| 18:40.30 | Dagmar | How do you like THAT for a trouble ticket |
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| 18:41.06 | Kraps | Fisker: i just love when people die dont you? |
| 18:41.13 | Dagmar | I'd just finished up with my coffee that morning when I got word over IRC that something was going down. Flipped on the TV to have a really bad morning |
| 18:41.27 | Fisker | obviously Kraps |
| 18:41.43 | Dagmar | A few thousand people were murdered by assholes. That's not cause for jokes. |
| 18:42.12 | Kraps | Dagmar: we deserved it doncha know? |
| 18:42.13 | Fisker | in b4 gaijin 4koma guys + wtc |
| 18:42.16 | Dagmar | Kraps: No. |
| 18:42.46 | Lunessa | Ackis: I'm not on you about the day being sacred or something. I'm on you about the joke not being funny. |
| 18:42.49 | Kraps | excuse me we are a horrible country |
| 18:42.54 | Kraps | except me |
| 18:43.02 | Kraps | so there! |
| 18:43.27 | Ackis | Lunessa: I didn't make the connection cataclsym == sept 11, I picked a well known anniversary date that is coming up |
| 18:43.31 | Fisker | i just lold Kraps |
| 18:43.44 | Fisker | and i dropped my keyboard :( |
| 18:43.57 | krka | give it enough time, and you can start making jokes about attacks / wars / tragedies. i think something like 100+ years is usually what it takes |
| 18:44.01 | Lunessa | Ackis: That's the problem with toss-off jokes, sometimes they make you look like a tosser. |
| 18:44.19 | NightHawkTheSane | soo... this valentine isn't funny to anyone else, then? :P http://asylumsw.com/files/falling-for-you.jpg |
| 18:44.27 | krka | like jokes about titanic, stockholm bloodbath, french revolution, et.c. |
| 18:44.33 | Fisker | how does making an unfunny joke make someone a tosser? |
| 18:44.37 | Kraps | NHTS!!!!!! |
| 18:44.57 | NightHawkTheSane | (cause i find it hilarious) |
| 18:45.05 | Ackis | Lunessa: it's still just a date for me and I'm not going to change who I am because someone gets butthurt over a sept 11 joke |
| 18:45.16 | Kraps | insensitive is the word Lunessa was looking for i think |
| 18:45.33 | Dagmar | Well, let's try a different approach. |
| 18:45.37 | Fisker | naw Kraps |
| 18:45.38 | Ackis | I think Fisker would say "it's the internet" |
| 18:45.57 | Dagmar | Some raghead assholes flying a plane into a building IS NOT a "cataclysm" so how about we make an attempt to learn some damn English. |
| 18:46.08 | Kraps | Ackis: you could say that about any racial/sexual etc joke |
| 18:46.25 | Fisker | i still don't see how that relates to the joke not being funny Dagmar |
| 18:46.29 | Lunessa | Ackis, Ackis, Ackis. I like you plenty, I'm just thinking that was a joke in poor taste. Sort of like making Cataclsym joke where you equate it to the Holocaust. |
| 18:46.39 | Kraps | it comes off as you not giving a shit about others feelings |
| 18:46.44 | Dagmar | When you use the big words to make a bad joke and you use the wrong ones, you not only look like an asshat, but an illiterate asshat as well. |
| 18:47.03 | krka | you can joke about the fall of rome i guess |
| 18:47.03 | Fisker | and yes, Cataclysm is apt as well |
| 18:47.09 | Fisker | (learn english yourself, fool) |
| 18:47.13 | krka | and the mass extinction of dinosaurs |
| 18:47.19 | Ackis | see one thing I don't like about the holocaust is that we remember the holocaust, but we've ignored the travesties that occurred in the pacific theatre... and yes I make jokes about the holocaust :P |
| 18:47.19 | krka | and even mammoths |
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| 18:47.27 | olafski | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1aDuxC5haXc/SSB10CFl1QI/AAAAAAAAAJE/PF0BASF8gLU/s400/dino.jpg krka!!! |
| 18:47.39 | Dagmar | Fisker: No, you're just dead wrong. Go buy a dictionary. |
| 18:47.44 | krka | funny olafski! |
| 18:47.50 | TC-Work | i make jokes about everything |
| 18:47.58 | olafski | I make jokes about your mother |
| 18:48.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: not just the pacific theatre, we kind of ignore our own interment camps. |
| 18:48.03 | olafski | and I don't even know her! (or you!) |
| 18:48.03 | krka | also Dagmar, i find raghead to be offensive :/ |
| 18:48.15 | Fisker | Not really Dagmar |
| 18:48.18 | Lunessa | Ackis: And even more recently, people have ignored Rwanda, Somalia, and a number of other really bad shit things or reduced them to jokes. Usually, those aren't funny either. |
| 18:48.21 | Dagmar | krka: I'd like to be a lot more than merely "offensive" to mass-murderes. |
| 18:48.43 | olafski | dictionary.com seems to agree with fisker |
| 18:48.46 | krka | well, do you say "nigger murderer" if a black person kills someone? |
| 18:49.00 | Dagmar | That depends on whether or not they're a crack smoking wastrel |
| 18:49.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: not that i find any tragedy actually funny, I think it's being very pretentious and oversensetive to say you can't make (or laugh at) jokes about them. humor is a great way to not be upset at things. |
| 18:49.11 | malreth | The Branch Davidians, however, are fair game. we can make jokes about them. |
| 18:49.12 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Actually we have a museum exhibit - a substantial one - at the Smithsonian about it. And it doesn't whitewash the huge failure of our ideals at all. |
| 18:49.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: true, but it doesn't permeate our collective knowledge in the same way. |
| 18:49.34 | Fisker | Wiktionary and dictionary.com proves me right Dagmar |
| 18:49.43 | Fisker | Common usage of the word proves me right |
| 18:49.52 | Kraps | malreth: because they were psychos? |
| 18:49.54 | Dagmar | Fisker: Then perhaps the issue is that you simply need to learn to read |
| 18:49.55 | Ackis | Lunessa: my mom had cancer that she should have died from. 6 months after the operation/etc I made a joke about "oh hey if you died, we'd be over mourning by now" |
| 18:50.00 | Fisker | Do you mind finding me the dictionary that believe it isn't apt? |
| 18:50.12 | Lunessa | malreth: Oh man. I took such a load of crap when that was going on for saying the feds were in the wrong. :( |
| 18:50.33 | Lunessa | Ackis: In context, that probably was ok. |
| 18:50.40 | Fisker | âSynonyms |
| 18:50.40 | Fisker | 1. See disaster. |
| 18:50.55 | Fisker | a calamitous event, esp. one occurring suddenly and causing great loss of life, damage, or hardship, as a flood, airplane crash, or business failure. |
| 18:50.57 | Fisker | hurr hurr |
| 18:50.58 | Fisker | herp derp |
| 18:50.59 | Dagmar | Fisker: Look dimwit, planes flying into a building is not an ecological or geographical event. |
| 18:51.01 | Fisker | so forth |
| 18:51.05 | malreth | Lunessa: they probably were in the wrong. |
| 18:51.15 | Fisker | Cataclysm is not exclusively an ecological or geographical event |
| 18:51.19 | Fisker | thank you for playing Dagmar |
| 18:51.22 | Dagmar | Fisker: yes, it actually is. |
| 18:51.27 | Fisker | Do you wish to try again: [Y/n] |
| 18:51.38 | Dagmar | No, I wish to put some jackasses on ignore today |
| 18:51.41 | Fisker | According to the dictionaries you told me to read, no, actually it isn't |
| 18:51.43 | olafski | 1. |
| 18:51.44 | olafski | any violent upheaval, esp. one of a social or political nature. |
| 18:51.48 | Lunessa | Conversations of this nature make me regret being a member of the human race. |
| 18:51.52 | Kraps | this is offtopic |
| 18:51.56 | Fisker | (Dagmar is awesome because he tells me he's putting me on ignore) |
| 18:51.57 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 18:52.03 | Dagmar | olafski: Not an upheaval tho |
| 18:52.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: really? only this? :P |
| 18:52.13 | olafski | I just watched that poor man's call of duty, very awesome :P |
| 18:52.20 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Amongst many other reasons. |
| 18:52.31 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 18:52.33 | malreth | it's fun putting Fisker on ignore. i do it almost every day |
| 18:52.36 | NightHawkTheSane | goes out for lunch |
| 18:53.00 | Dagmar | malreth: Normally I wouldn't bother, but I've been speaking English for probably longer than he has to be sure |
| 18:53.17 | Fisker | (Also longer than the dictionaries apparently) |
| 18:53.25 | Dagmar | ...and not just a little English. Despide going to a damn hillbilly district, I was at post-high school levels by the third grade. |
| 18:53.27 | Ackis | ~dict cataclysm |
| 18:53.38 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 18:53.43 | Ackis | ~dict cataclysm 2 |
| 18:53.52 | Ackis | ~dict 2 cataclysm |
| 18:53.56 | Fisker | Dagmar has been speaking english for probably longer than the editors of sofar, every dictionary |
| 18:53.58 | Ackis | ~dict 3 cataclysm |
| 18:54.11 | Kraps | what thats a repeat |
| 18:54.12 | Ackis | wait... 1 and 3 are the same |
| 18:54.18 | Ackis | ~dict 4 cataclysm |
| 18:54.20 | Dagmar | There's a word for what that is, and the word is "catastrophe" |
| 18:54.26 | Fisker | actually it doesn't exist Kraps |
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| 18:54.38 | Kraps | what doesnt |
| 18:54.43 | nicoli_s | i believe the word you ate looking for is esplosion |
| 18:54.45 | Dagmar | Using the wrong word and justifying it by a weak interpretation of a dictionary just makes you look like a tourist |
| 18:54.49 | Fisker | ITT: Dagmar decides usage of the english language |
| 18:54.54 | Fisker | ITT: Dagmar decides usage of the english language |
| 18:55.04 | Kraps | counterrevolution |
| 18:55.10 | Kraps | is the word |
| 18:55.20 | Gnarfoz | what are those people called whose opinion can't be swayed even by facts? |
| 18:55.26 | Gnarfoz | Republicans? :D |
| 18:55.33 | Kraps | hey now |
| 18:55.40 | malreth | bah... Democrats are just as bad |
| 18:55.42 | Fisker | almost Gnarfoz |
| 18:55.43 | Gnarfoz | conservatives, then ;D |
| 18:55.50 | Kraps | i used to be a republocrat |
| 18:55.50 | Fisker | liberterians is where it's at though |
| 18:55.56 | Fisker | Glenn Beck is fucking hilarious |
| 18:55.58 | Dagmar | Conservatives, definitely. |
| 18:56.00 | smcn | teabaggers |
| 18:56.01 | malreth | Gnarfoz: the word you're looking for is "people" |
| 18:56.05 | Lopeppeppy | rabbits |
| 18:56.13 | Gnarfoz | malreth: nice :> |
| 18:56.22 | Dagmar | smcn: No, those are the people unswayed even by first-hand observations of reality |
| 18:56.52 | Kraps | humpty dumpty |
| 18:56.53 | Gnarfoz | I thought teabagging was http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teabagging |
| 18:57.11 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: It is. That's the beauty of it, too. |
| 18:57.26 | Lunessa | People who let a "party line" decide how they think are all bad. I'd rather people thought for themselves and took responsibility for their own beliefs and stood up for them. |
| 18:57.31 | Dagmar | For the first couple of weeks, almost no CNN correspondent could say it with a straigh face. |
| 18:57.51 | Kraps | Lunessa: then i suck :( |
| 18:58.02 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: wait, that's how you run a democracy! that has no place here. ;p |
| 18:58.11 | Kraps | until i started reading http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/ |
| 18:58.34 | Gnarfoz | \o/ Liquid Democracy |
| 18:58.46 | Kraps | now i have no opinions on anything, which makes me extremely boring :) |
| 18:59.07 | Gnarfoz | onions on anything? I'm certain that makes everything taste boring, indeed |
| 18:59.11 | Fisker | so Ackis |
| 18:59.14 | Fisker | wanna make out? |
| 18:59.25 | malreth | what was that article on how facts actually don't convince people? |
| 19:00.08 | Ackis | http://w00tstock.net/2010/08/16/wil-quits-w00tstock/ |
| 19:00.43 | Gnarfoz | why is he wearing a hat, indoors |
| 19:01.18 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: I'm more inclined towards a republic than a straight out "majority rules" democracy. |
| 19:02.02 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure those two are from the same basket of things. |
| 19:02.52 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: Democracy easily turns into mob rule - which is dangerous. I prefer a system that has a significant check on that tendency. |
| 19:03.00 | Lunessa | afk - snacks. |
| 19:05.01 | malreth | I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class, especially since I rule. |
| 19:05.03 | Kraps | so why did rome fall? |
| 19:05.14 | Kraps | it was a republic |
| 19:05.23 | malreth | Kraps: same reason why HP did... Mismanagement. |
| 19:05.33 | malreth | ~rimshot |
| 19:05.34 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 19:07.02 | Gnarfoz | well, if you mean a direct democracy, sure, than can get ugly |
| 19:07.54 | Gnarfoz | but then, there's degrees (of sanity, and other types of degrees of... severity?) for any form of government^^ |
| 19:08.12 | Fisker | man i gotta get into the loaning business |
| 19:08.38 | Fisker | This guy gets almost $10000 a month to "manage" his $60 mil debt by his creditors |
| 19:12.05 | cog|work | What's the point in spamming actions at the beginning of a SC2 match? is it just a psyche out? |
| 19:12.39 | cog|work | (like all of the repeated selecting gatherers, etc) |
| 19:13.12 | olafski | have to keep your apm up |
| 19:13.26 | cog|work | in order to.... |
| 19:13.28 | olafski | if you slack at the start, the average will go down! |
| 19:13.36 | cog|work | so it's an epeen thing? |
| 19:13.40 | olafski | I have no clue man |
| 19:13.44 | olafski | I don't play starcraft :) |
| 19:14.03 | cog|work | i haven't done any MP since beta |
| 19:14.17 | Gnarfoz | something like "if you keep a constant rhythm of actions up, you'll average more actions per minute overall" I think |
| 19:14.52 | Gnarfoz | i.e. you'll be faster if you don't have to "wind up" your speed only when the battle rages |
| 19:14.55 | malreth | http://consumerist.com/2010/08/how-much-would-you-tip-this-dominos-driver.html |
| 19:15.16 | Gnarfoz | at least that's how I understood it when I heard about it in SC1 |
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| 19:15.26 | TC-Work | that works for sex as well |
| 19:15.59 | malreth | Consumerist asks the wrong question. Rather, I'd want to know, "What sort of sick asshole orders pizza delivery when their neighborhood is flooded with 18" of water?" |
| 19:16.34 | cog|work | and then only tips $4 |
| 19:17.25 | malreth | she should have given him a blowjob or something |
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| 19:17.27 | nicoli_s | i think its more laziness than just sickness |
| 19:17.36 | nicoli_s | you underestimate how lazy people are |
| 19:19.09 | olafski | maybe they were hungry and the flood destroyed all their means of cooking fod |
| 19:19.10 | olafski | food |
| 19:19.21 | Fisker | http://www.wow-europe.com/cataclysm/_images/features/collector/backplate_large.jpg <-insert disc 10 |
| 19:19.22 | cog|work | and dominos was their first choice? |
| 19:19.24 | cog|work | >< |
| 19:19.30 | Fisker | do it cog|work |
| 19:19.39 | Adys | CIDE |
| 19:19.39 | Adys | CIDE! |
| 19:19.49 | Fisker | do it cog|work |
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| 19:19.52 | Adys | also nicoli_s ! |
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| 19:20.03 | Fisker | what's up with the pet btw? |
| 19:20.09 | olafski | dominos would be my first choice |
| 19:20.12 | Fisker | it doesn't look anything like the one in-game |
| 19:20.58 | cog|work | i'm done with CEs i think... |
| 19:21.14 | Lunessa | malreth: I like the way your mind works. |
| 19:21.22 | TC-Work | cog|work: why? |
| 19:21.26 | malreth | Lunessa: so do i |
| 19:21.30 | alestane | That goes without saying, Lunessa. |
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| 19:22.56 | cog|work | TC-Work: i have enough mouse pads, i don't need cds since i have fast internet, the coffee table books are nice, but they're just in the closet atm... maybe we'll get one between the two of us so mrs. cog can have her mini pet |
| 19:23.21 | alestane | You seem to work around embedded systems and precision-critical computers, Shirik. |
| 19:23.31 | Cide | Adys: hi |
| 19:23.34 | Shirik | that's because that's what I do |
| 19:23.35 | Adys | cide |
| 19:23.36 | Shirik | why? |
| 19:23.41 | Adys | interesting code is lines 49-92 and 375-390 |
| 19:23.41 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/230295/ |
| 19:23.42 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:23.42 | alestane | How much would you say you or your colleagues author in assembly? |
| 19:23.45 | Fisker | this is my rageface? |
| 19:23.51 | Shirik | practically none |
| 19:24.02 | Fisker | btw cog|work |
| 19:24.06 | Fisker | http://www.wow-europe.com/cataclysm/_images/features/collector/backplate_large.jpg <-insert disc 10 |
| 19:24.07 | Fisker | now do it |
| 19:24.09 | Shirik | it's next to impossible to code review and not worth it |
| 19:24.25 | alestane | My program chair insists that assembly is a principle tools for application development in places like Apple or various game companies. |
| 19:24.38 | alestane | I think her opinion is 8-12 years out of date. |
| 19:24.41 | Shirik | I agree |
| 19:24.50 | Shirik | but many professors are like that |
| 19:24.55 | Adys | Also shirik |
| 19:24.58 | Cide | Adys: nice |
| 19:25.05 | Cide | still too many private methods |
| 19:25.21 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: i could see some divisions within apple doing some assembly work, but i doubt it. Game companies though? Seems highly unlikely |
| 19:25.22 | Adys | meh |
| 19:25.22 | Adys | :p |
| 19:25.31 | nicoli_s | yeah everything should be public! |
| 19:25.37 | nicoli_s | and deprecated! |
| 19:25.41 | alestane | Also, Python is an interesting toy, but of no practical development application, and I would be better off leaning the introductory programming course toward VB, which they might acutally use. |
| 19:25.52 | Fisker | nicoli_s |
| 19:25.53 | Adys | wtf alestane |
| 19:25.54 | Shirik | I only know of one place where we used assembly |
| 19:25.57 | Fisker | why won't cog|work love me? :( |
| 19:26.00 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: I have to wonder why she thinks that, and why the last ~10 years haven't changed her mind, unless she's hiding under a rock or something |
| 19:26.06 | alestane | What are you wtfing, Adys? |
| 19:26.07 | nicoli_s | dunno fisker |
| 19:26.11 | Shirik | and that was just because we wanted to use some SSE instructions our compiler didn't understand |
| 19:26.16 | cog|work | Fisker: i was responding to you |
| 19:26.18 | Adys | alestane: the "vb over python" thing |
| 19:26.22 | Shirik | and it was extremely tiny |
| 19:26.26 | cog|work | NO CEs PLEEZ |
| 19:26.32 | Fisker | you weren't responding to my funnies |
| 19:26.33 | Shirik | and it was also not a safety-critical area |
| 19:26.43 | Adys | even if you are not going to use python in your carrier, you still learn a lot more from it than from vb |
| 19:26.46 | cog|work | Fisker: cuz u don't have any |
| 19:26.54 | cog|work | Fisker: U R NOT FUNEEE |
| 19:26.56 | Fisker | "The full World of Warcraft expansion set on CD-ROM and DVD-ROM" |
| 19:26.58 | Fisker | CD-ROM |
| 19:27.01 | Fisker | GEDDIT? |
| 19:27.05 | Shirik | so basically, alestane, out of millions and millions of lines of code |
| 19:27.10 | Fisker | do you get it Shirik ? |
| 19:27.11 | Shirik | there's like 15 lines of assembly |
| 19:27.28 | alestane | But she'll never believe me if I tell her that. |
| 19:27.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: given /modern/ vb.net, I don't exactly agree with that, but you'd probably be better served with C#.net over vb.net |
| 19:27.41 | alestane | And she'll never forgive me if I tell her that in public. |
| 19:27.52 | Shirik | wait until you graduate then you can tell her off :) |
| 19:28.02 | alestane | Actually, Shirik, I teach. |
| 19:28.06 | Adys | alestane: Oh, sorry i didnt realize |
| 19:28.14 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:28.19 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, show her the requirements for intro jobs in the field. She can't argue with that! |
| 19:28.24 | alestane | She's my boss, not my adviser. |
| 19:28.30 | Lopeppeppy | But don't do it in public. :) |
| 19:28.35 | TC-Work | Those who can, do. Those who cant, teach. |
| 19:28.41 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: so wait till you have tenure, then tell her off :P |
| 19:28.43 | cog|work | ~lart TC-Work |
| 19:28.43 | purl | squeezes TC-Work till TC-Work turns blue like papa smurf |
| 19:28.52 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 19:28.54 | Fisker | did you get it? |
| 19:28.58 | alestane | If I want tenure, NightHawkTheSane, I won't seek it at ITT Tech. |
| 19:29.02 | Fisker | did your heart skip a beat? |
| 19:29.05 | cog|work | Fisker: not funny. remember? |
| 19:29.10 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: heh, probably a good plan ;) |
| 19:29.15 | Fisker | it was very funny cog|work |
| 19:29.22 | Fisker | it didn't even have anything to do with 9/11 |
| 19:29.27 | Fisker | which is apparently the criteria for funny |
| 19:30.27 | alestane | But yeah, she usually exhibits the classic response to disconfirmation... |
| 19:30.31 | alestane | ...discredit the source. |
| 19:30.45 | cog|work | gogo ad hominem |
| 19:31.23 | Fisker | why does noone laugh at my funny jokes? |
| 19:31.47 | TC-Work | because they are like you |
| 19:31.59 | Fisker | extremely funny? |
| 19:32.08 | Fisker | Or thoroughly unpleasant and really creepy? |
| 19:32.21 | Kraps | good guesses |
| 19:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm sorry, did Fisker just admit that he was thoroughly unpleaseant and really creepy? |
| 19:32.59 | NightHawkTheSane | or did they sneak some opiates in my ramen today... |
| 19:33.41 | Shirik | alestane |
| 19:33.42 | Adys | kd3 |
| 19:33.49 | Adys | in the past 4 months |
| 19:34.03 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: both? |
| 19:34.03 | Adys | 12 bugs for SC2 have been opened on wine-bugs |
| 19:34.06 | the-golem | Are there any decent questing minions anymore? |
| 19:34.08 | Adys | guess how many are ATI bugs? |
| 19:34.13 | Cide | -1 |
| 19:34.13 | alestane | Shirik? |
| 19:34.23 | NightHawkTheSane | the-golem: the base ui is really good, i find. |
| 19:34.25 | Shirik | tell her this "source" is working on the most popular ISR UAS and just won a contract valued at $1.5 billion (presently argued as the most significant UAS contract to date) |
| 19:34.27 | Adys | 12, Cide |
| 19:34.33 | Shirik | but she'll find a way to discredit it still :P |
| 19:34.34 | Adys | fucking thing |
| 19:34.49 | the-golem | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, it's pretty decent now, but.. |
| 19:34.58 | nevcairiel | ATI on linux always nightmare, always will |
| 19:35.00 | the-golem | Since they've taken away the ability to move it in game |
| 19:35.11 | alestane | Damn straight, Shirik. I'm not an industry professional and I just lost over half my courses for not having a Master's Degree, so I'm not credible. |
| 19:35.20 | NightHawkTheSane | the-golem: if all you want is to move it, i'm sure there must be an addon that does that. |
| 19:36.01 | Adys | nevcairiel |
| 19:36.05 | Adys | you think that, once in a while |
| 19:36.20 | Adys | "Oh, this gotta be a nvidia bug, I mean, they don't do everything right all the time either" |
| 19:36.24 | Adys | looks around |
| 19:36.26 | Adys | Nops, ati. |
| 19:36.32 | Cide | or maybe ati is just so much more popular |
| 19:36.43 | Cide | that most discovered bugs are ati simply because of popularity |
| 19:36.58 | Cide | shirik: it compiles, and it works! |
| 19:37.01 | Cide | thanks |
| 19:37.23 | Kraps | Lunessa: i'm liking new amsterdam cuz of the old timey stuff |
| 19:37.24 | the-golem | NightHawkTheSane: that's not really *all* I want, that's just the very least of it ^^ |
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| 19:38.01 | Lunessa | Kraps: I liked the flash back mechanic, but it was used a lot in shows of the era - Forever Knight did a better job of it |
| 19:38.47 | alestane | I'd have to find her an article in the Communications of the ACM entitled "Why Assembly Code is Dead", Shirik. |
| 19:39.39 | Cide | just find a credible source to write up an article, clearly |
| 19:40.32 | Lunessa | Writing in Assembly is ... maddening |
| 19:41.35 | alestane | Done it a couple of times, Lunessa, but not since the 68000 chip. |
| 19:42.12 | Lunessa | alestane: Ditto. higher level languages exist for a reason. |
| 19:42.58 | nevcairiel | It was kinda enlightening to actually learn x86 assembly |
| 19:43.20 | alestane | She seemed to think that I should be presenting assembly as a tool with the same level of importance. |
| 19:43.36 | alestane | Rather than something to be avoided in favor of high-level code. |
| 19:44.14 | nicoli_s | i liked learning assembly, but luckily my teacher made it clear pretty much no one in the class would ever use it |
| 19:44.17 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i dont think either of those are quite accurate |
| 19:44.30 | nevcairiel | imho every programmer should learn asm |
| 19:44.35 | nevcairiel | even if he never uses it |
| 19:44.40 | nevcairiel | he understand how the system works |
| 19:44.54 | nicoli_s | believe me, in my class where most people couldnt understand basic java after 3 years, they would def never be hired for a job requriing asm :P |
| 19:45.04 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont think th ere's a need to become an expert, but yeah, every CS course should have you do some asm work. |
| 19:45.33 | nicoli_s | well yeah we still learned it, but the teacher just stressed it would prob never be used |
| 19:45.48 | nevcairiel | rather stupid to stress that as the teacher |
| 19:45.54 | nevcairiel | no-one will pay attention =P |
| 19:46.06 | nicoli_s | well that was going to happen anyways |
| 19:46.12 | nicoli_s | the school i went to was crap |
| 19:46.17 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:46.23 | nicoli_s | id say 60+% of the CS dept cheated their way through every single class |
| 19:46.34 | nicoli_s | i mean people who graduated without being able to write a single java app by themselves |
| 19:47.16 | olafski | CS is mostly math at my uni.. I don't think anyone will mind if you can't write a java app here =) |
| 19:47.23 | nevcairiel | i'm kinda glad to have gone to a quality school, my class started with about 12 people or so, and only 3 graduated, and 1 of those 3 actually was from the previous class too =p |
| 19:47.35 | nicoli_s | i would have loved to go to a school like that |
| 19:47.44 | nicoli_s | i just couldnt force myself to care enough to work hard at my school |
| 19:47.47 | nicoli_s | hence why i dropped out :P |
| 19:48.14 | olafski | same here nevcairiel! |
| 19:48.35 | olafski | actually started with more than that.. but as far as I know I'm the only one who actually graduated (CS that is, some of them went to HMI or something like that) |
| 19:48.48 | nevcairiel | well not everyone dropped out, half dropped out or so, the other half did more years to finish all courses |
| 19:49.13 | olafski | I spent 8 years and I still think I was first ;) |
| 19:49.24 | nevcairiel | 8 years for a designed length of..? |
| 19:49.50 | nevcairiel | i did 1 semester extra |
| 19:50.00 | Adys | [20:46:36] <+nicoli_s> i mean people who graduated without being able to write a single java app by themselves |
| 19:50.03 | nevcairiel | mostly because of my internship though |
| 19:50.05 | Adys | God forbid that's a good thing |
| 19:50.19 | olafski | nevcairiel: 5 :) |
| 19:50.26 | nicoli_s | Adys:not when all of the coding classes but one were java :P |
| 19:50.34 | Fisker | Comp Sci III nicoli_s ? |
| 19:50.38 | Adys | eh, depends |
| 19:50.48 | nicoli_s | like they just had directories full of skeleton code |
| 19:50.51 | Adys | CS in schools is terrible |
| 19:50.58 | Adys | in general |
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| 19:51.22 | nevcairiel | are we talking school school or university? |
| 19:51.24 | nicoli_s | so they would just read the assignment, guess what sort of skeleton project they need and then just copy and paste till it works |
| 19:51.25 | nicoli_s | uni |
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| 19:51.31 | Adys | nevcairiel: any, but uni too |
| 19:51.48 | Adys | people who train through that tend to end up on some random superboring code monkey job |
| 19:52.01 | Adys | I'm sorry, did I debug all your shit, I didn't know it was yours.. |
| 19:52.14 | Lunessa | People should understand how the things they're programming work. But assembly language shouldn't - in my opinion - be part of the first couple of years in a programming ciriculum (sp?). I think it's a topic that should be covered for Computer Science - but that the difference between a mechanic and an engineer. |
| 19:52.14 | batbot | Lunessa, nothing found. |
| 19:52.30 | nicoli_s | we even had people who would just take the example program for the output, decompile it, add some spaces and submit it and get through that way |
| 19:52.30 | Adys | (curriculum) |
| 19:52.37 | Adys | (you suck batbot) |
| 19:53.15 | nevcairiel | nicoli_s: see, thats why we didnt get java samples! |
| 19:53.21 | nevcairiel | we only had samples for the C classes |
| 19:53.33 | Adys | "where can i find good lua decompiler" |
| 19:53.38 | Adys | plz |
| 19:53.38 | nicoli_s | they just added a c class after i left |
| 19:53.45 | alestane | What, Adys? |
| 19:53.50 | Adys | alestane: I'm just kidding |
| 19:54.00 | nevcairiel | we had 2 C classes, one for basic C, and one for opengl in C, that was kinda fun :) |
| 19:54.03 | NightHawkTheSane | nicoli_s: :o man, that never would have flown at my school. the automated code checkers were way too smart for that |
| 19:54.06 | nevcairiel | oh i lied |
| 19:54.14 | nevcairiel | a third writing GIMP plugins |
| 19:54.35 | nevcairiel | image enhancements etc |
| 19:54.53 | Adys | CS back in my town was ... non existant |
| 19:55.41 | Adys | at best you'd get some vague mechanics classes if you looked for them |
| 19:56.32 | Adys | but if you asked for anything more they'd look at you like an ostrich and ask you what this "computer" thing you're talking about is |
| 19:56.40 | Gnarfoz | an "ordinateur"? :p |
| 19:56.48 | nevcairiel | some crappy place you lived in |
| 19:57.19 | Gnarfoz | (they still haven't figured out that it's GiB, not Go ;p) |
| 19:57.39 | Adys | back in college we had "CS" classes twice a week or so, most of them optional |
| 19:57.55 | Adys | at some point late in the year they made us write html code on paper |
| 19:58.10 | nevcairiel | pen and paper code is always fun |
| 19:58.14 | kd3 | wtf, ow |
| 19:58.25 | Gnarfoz | that's still better than what my school offered, which was... nothing! and then some more nothing. |
| 19:58.34 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I'd argue about assembly. People should probably spend a semester (one, only) on immediately following learning a high-level language, just so they'll have some idea of why the hell one copies pointers instead of entire lists |
| 19:58.40 | Dagmar | ...among other things |
| 19:58.55 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 19:58.57 | Shirik | wow |
| 19:59.06 | Shirik | Actioned. Promethean at Abuse Response has made contact with Optus Internet in Sydnay via Telephone. The ISP has opened a ticket to investigate, and has also received a copy of our report. Action will likely be taken soon, as per their TOU, Wikipedia falls under the "Online Forum" category, and the TOU states that the user must not use their service to access a site from which they have been previously blocked/ban |
| 19:59.23 | Adys | nevcairiel: they didn't "want us on the keyboards yet", we did like 6 months of some shitty typing app, the kind that doesn't let you hit backspace without erroring |
| 19:59.27 | kd3 | Shirik, o_O |
| 19:59.33 | Shirik | this would be interesting if the ISP cuts him off because of his abuse of wikipedia |
| 19:59.43 | Adys | hadn't been treated like such a baby since a few weeks after I was born |
| 19:59.43 | Dagmar | Shirik: s/interesting/awesome/ |
| 19:59.55 | durcyn | will the admin learn english, though? only time will tell. |
| 19:59.56 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I'll grant that. But learning assembly has its place. Just where is a matter of desired end result. |
| 20:00.03 | nevcairiel | Adys: we only had to write some code on paper in some exams, but only small snippets usually |
| 20:00.05 | alestane | So, someone's been banned from something that's not Wikipedia, and is trying to sneak into it through Wikipedia? |
| 20:00.12 | Shirik | no |
| 20:00.13 | Fisker | Why so surprised Shirik ? |
| 20:00.15 | Fisker | It's australia |
| 20:00.23 | Shirik | banned from Wikipedia a while ago, constantly returning by abusing the network |
| 20:00.37 | Fisker | where even fictional child pornography is child pornography, etc. |
| 20:00.39 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I woudln't expect them to *do* anything useful with it, but they gotta have some idea of what's going on under the hood on a machine so they'll know why certain things are fast, and certain things which look fast are really computationally wasteful |
| 20:00.52 | Lunessa | Dagmar: We agree. |
| 20:00.53 | alestane | So, getting the ISP to give him unbanned IPs, etc? |
| 20:01.09 | Dagmar | Ask most even experienced programmers about when you should use a hash over an array and you'll generally get back an answer about the key being letters |
| 20:01.26 | Shirik | yeah alestane |
| 20:01.30 | Dagmar | ...for varying levels of "experienced" mind you. |
| 20:01.34 | Shirik | because the network range is so large we can't block it |
| 20:01.40 | Adys | nevcairiel, we spent an entire class almost being taught how to write curly braces |
| 20:01.45 | Adys | {! |
| 20:01.51 | Shirik | lmao |
| 20:01.52 | nevcairiel | i still cant write them properly |
| 20:01.57 | Adys | neither can I |
| 20:01.57 | Shirik | oh come on it's easy |
| 20:01.58 | Dagmar | I've been seeing resumes lately with guys calling themselves "experienced" coders because they've know the language a year |
| 20:01.59 | nevcairiel | always look wrong |
| 20:02.02 | Shirik | you all fail |
| 20:02.08 | Shirik | though there is a trick |
| 20:02.13 | Shirik | it's kinda hard to explain in words though |
| 20:02.19 | Shirik | I used to suck at them then I learned this trick |
| 20:02.20 | Shirik | so easy now |
| 20:02.28 | Adys | Shirik |
| 20:02.34 | Adys | why the fuck do you need to write a curly brace? |
| 20:02.47 | Shirik | you've never had to write a curly brace? |
| 20:02.53 | Adys | yes |
| 20:02.56 | Adys | for my 14th birthday |
| 20:02.59 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:03.00 | Adys | and once when I was 8 |
| 20:03.05 | Adys | and |
| 20:03.06 | Adys | thats it. |
| 20:03.18 | alestane | I learned how when I was studying music. |
| 20:03.18 | Dagmar | There are many languages you've never coded in |
| 20:03.28 | Adys | Dagmar, I'm talking on paper |
| 20:03.32 | Adys | line-high curly braces |
| 20:04.09 | Gnarfoz | I find these easier than curly braces: http://www.st-altfried.de/assets/images/notenschluessel.jpg |
| 20:04.11 | Dagmar | Wait... drawing a curly brace presents some unique challenge? |
| 20:04.36 | Adys | when it's the third one you write in your life, yes it does |
| 20:04.41 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: they are, you have those lines to help you draw them! |
| 20:04.44 | Adys | also I can't write an @ |
| 20:04.49 | nevcairiel | @ is easy |
| 20:04.50 | alestane | That's a G-clef, Gnarfoz. It has a great little curl in the middle. |
| 20:04.57 | nevcairiel | just write an a and make a circle around it :p |
| 20:05.05 | Adys | oh so it works like ©® |
| 20:05.11 | kd3 | ya |
| 20:05.12 | NightHawkTheSane | pretty much |
| 20:05.23 | Adys | but it's not pretty if you do that. |
| 20:05.23 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're lazy you can just sweep the tail of the a into the circle, too. |
| 20:05.24 | Gnarfoz | alestane: uhm thanks for telling me what it is? o_O I knew beforehand, I (used to) play 4 instruments :o |
| 20:05.25 | cog|work | when you draw the a, do you draw the "tail" last? |
| 20:05.31 | cog|work | if so, just continue it down and around |
| 20:05.35 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: that's what you're supposed to do |
| 20:05.38 | Adys | not if you're lazy |
| 20:05.42 | Adys | but i just cant get that right |
| 20:05.42 | Adys | :( |
| 20:05.45 | alestane | Write a litte circle clockwise and then turn the end into a big circle counter-clockwise around the little one. |
| 20:05.48 | Gnarfoz | <+alestane> So, getting the ISP to give him unbanned IPs, etc? <-- also, how is that abusing a network? I get a new one every 24 hours :( |
| 20:05.57 | Dagmar | Wow. I would hate to be teaching you guys copperplate |
| 20:06.05 | nevcairiel | like cog says, @ is really easy |
| 20:06.11 | nevcairiel | if you write the a properly to begin with |
| 20:06.24 | Gnarfoz | you mean like this? A |
| 20:06.32 | Gnarfoz | /:P |
| 20:06.34 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.39 | NightHawkTheSane | even that would b eeasy though |
| 20:06.46 | NightHawkTheSane | any of those three lines easily sweep into a circle ;) |
| 20:06.46 | Gnarfoz | uppercase-@ |
| 20:06.47 | Adys | I had to write § a few times |
| 20:06.48 | Adys | fuck |
| 20:06.56 | nevcairiel | thats an annoying one |
| 20:06.58 | Adys | theres no other thing I can write worse than that |
| 20:06.59 | Gnarfoz | that's not even on my keyboard |
| 20:07.05 | nevcairiel | sure it is |
| 20:07.06 | Fisker | 2 minors masturbating |
| 20:07.07 | kd3 | that's easy. it's a c and a mirrored c halfway down |
| 20:07.08 | cog|work | i just write that like two S s |
| 20:07.10 | nevcairiel | upper-case 3 |
| 20:07.10 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: sure is not |
| 20:07.13 | Fisker | bam Wobin is now eligible for jail |
| 20:07.29 | Fisker | it was nice knowing you Wobin |
| 20:07.33 | Adys | alt-gr P for me |
| 20:07.40 | Adys | alt-gr shift P is ¶ |
| 20:07.42 | nevcairiel | shift-3 is § in DE layout |
| 20:07.45 | Gnarfoz | first of all, my keys have no print on them, second of all: us-layout because german layout sucks. |
| 20:07.46 | Dagmar | hides his fancy ink nibs |
| 20:07.49 | Adys | another one Ive never written in my life |
| 20:07.53 | Fisker | shift+½ ftw |
| 20:08.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: thats easy, though |
| 20:08.13 | Adys | ¹²³â´âµâ¶â·â¸â¹â° |
| 20:08.21 | Adys | those i got just to piss shirik off |
| 20:08.37 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i dont see how DE and US are that different that it would matter |
| 20:08.44 | Dagmar | Now I see why people do pay money for calligraphic woodwork |
| 20:08.49 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: shift-7 for / instead of it being a proper key is enough alone |
| 20:08.52 | Adys | nevcairiel: qwerty has no § |
| 20:08.59 | Dagmar | You guys have trouble drawing glyphs you see all the time |
| 20:09.14 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: also, brackets not being in paris |
| 20:09.16 | nevcairiel | how often do i need a / :d |
| 20:09.17 | Gnarfoz | paris, right. |
| 20:09.18 | Gnarfoz | pairs! |
| 20:09.38 | cog|work | Dagmar: seeing things all the time is only loosely correlated with ability to draw them |
| 20:09.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: have you seen most peoples penmanship? i mean, it dosen't matter whether or not you can draw a glyph, you're probabyl not good enough to make caligraphy look good |
| 20:09.47 | nevcairiel | paris would be bad, my fingers don't reach that far |
| 20:10.01 | Gnarfoz | I'm closer than you, but still, too far away |
| 20:10.03 | nevcairiel | but that doesn't really annoy me, you get used to everything |
| 20:10.28 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I sort of learned from newspapers, so... umm... I actually got into a snit with my kindergarten teacher about how I drew my twos and my a's. |
| 20:10.28 | nevcairiel | i usually only use { anyway |
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| 20:10.32 | nevcairiel | editors add the } |
| 20:10.32 | Dagmar | I still say fuck that woman |
| 20:10.33 | Adys | Gnarfoz: http://dpaste.com/230313/plain/ |
| 20:10.34 | Adys | ++ |
| 20:10.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: thats.. entirely irrelevant? |
| 20:11.06 | Dagmar | cog: I thought it was mainly hand-eye coordingation for simple glyphs |
| 20:11.09 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: / I need all the time. also, easy and logical location of '", <>, {}, [], (), -_, ;: |
| 20:11.26 | Adys | Gnarfoz: use the layout i just gave you |
| 20:11.31 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I've literally never had a problem drawing glyphs |
| 20:11.36 | nevcairiel | <> has a good location on my keyboard :d |
| 20:11.41 | Adys | â¥â¤ |
| 20:11.42 | Gnarfoz | Adys: I'm not sure how I would "use" a pile of text? |
| 20:11.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: good for you, neither have i, but that has nothing to do with caligraphy. |
| 20:11.49 | Adys | Gnarfoz: windows or linux? |
| 20:11.53 | cog|work | Dagmar: human brain fail imo... we see things as collections of concepts rather than literal shapes (artists and autistics being obvious exceptions) |
| 20:11.55 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: both on the same key? that sucks in more ways I can describe |
| 20:11.57 | Gnarfoz | Adys: windows |
| 20:12.05 | cog|work | that's why a circle with 2 dots and a line looks like a face |
| 20:12.08 | nevcairiel | you just need faster shift fingers |
| 20:12.12 | nevcairiel | use both hands already |
| 20:12.16 | Dagmar | I'd have said "euro wall socket" |
| 20:12.17 | Adys | Gnarfoz: WKC then, get it from msdn |
| 20:12.22 | Adys | or was it KLC |
| 20:12.23 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 20:12.27 | cog|work | when we try to reproduce things from memory, all we have are the concepts, which are hard to translate into physical actions |
| 20:12.39 | Gnarfoz | MSKLC, I said it 5 minutes ago, Adys. But I didn't know it could import that format. |
| 20:12.46 | Dagmar | cog: That would be hand-eye coordination |
| 20:12.54 | Adys | Gnarfoz: it can't |
| 20:12.54 | cog|work | no it's not |
| 20:13.00 | Adys | have fun rewriting it by hand |
| 20:13.01 | Adys | :p |
| 20:13.03 | Gnarfoz | Adys: well. I'm not spending time recreating that |
| 20:13.11 | Adys | come on it's close to qwerty |
| 20:13.13 | cog|work | it's the act of taking a generic conceptualization of a form and turning it into the literal representation |
| 20:13.16 | Gnarfoz | especially when for example WoW can't deal with it properly |
| 20:13.21 | Adys | oO |
| 20:13.26 | Adys | windows fail |
| 20:13.31 | Gnarfoz | WoW fail, obviously |
| 20:13.31 | cog|work | there's also the problem of optimizing the act of making the mark |
| 20:13.31 | nevcairiel | why would wow care? |
| 20:13.33 | Adys | I have an xkbconfig file if you want |
| 20:13.45 | Gnarfoz | "do not want" - since I can't use it =) |
| 20:13.57 | Adys | yes but |
| 20:13.59 | cog|work | Dagmar: what you're talking about would be true for tracing |
| 20:14.02 | Adys | you could write an import script |
| 20:14.03 | Adys | :D |
| 20:14.10 | cog|work | not for putting it on a blank sheet of paper |
| 20:14.13 | cog|work | again, for most people |
| 20:14.17 | Adys | that calls xkbcompile |
| 20:14.18 | Dagmar | You mean 'coloring on the lines'? |
| 20:14.21 | cog|work | you might have a more literal view |
| 20:14.22 | Adys | parses the xkb cache file |
| 20:14.31 | Dagmar | That's likelt |
| 20:14.35 | Dagmar | er likely |
| 20:14.36 | cog|work | (which wouldn't surprise me given your personality :P ) |
| 20:14.39 | Adys | and creates the keyboard layout in msklc format |
| 20:14.40 | Adys | :p |
| 20:15.07 | Dagmar | I actually remember the day I had to ask my babysitter about the stock market section of the newspaper because I couldn't figure out what it said |
| 20:15.10 | Gnarfoz | Adys: with my custom layout (still have it, just haven't installed it since I move to win7, mainly because I know WoW freaks out with it) WoW erases all text in any of WoW's input fields (editbox, edit field) if I type either à or à |
| 20:15.33 | Adys | wow being discriminatory if you ask me |
| 20:15.42 | alestane | Gah, someone I used to respect just used the phrase "Why won't the mainstream media report..." and it wasn't an isolated incident. |
| 20:16.11 | Gnarfoz | most certainly, but since it clearly works with the stock QWERTZ german layout, and it's sending the exact same scancode, I'm not sure what's going wrong. |
| 20:17.11 | Adys | hahahahah |
| 20:17.17 | Adys | ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal |
| 20:17.18 | Adys | come on. |
| 20:17.21 | Gnarfoz | I'd be happy to use a more feature-rich layout again, I've got the german umlaut unicode numbers memorised anyway |
| 20:17.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: srsly? |
| 20:17.37 | Adys | yes |
| 20:17.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ... I.. uh.. yeah, I got nothing. |
| 20:17.59 | Adys | swimmin in the ocean |
| 20:18.02 | Adys | causin a commotion. |
| 20:18.14 | Lopeppeppy | It's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean. |
| 20:18.31 | Adys | While it may not in fact get you a pony, the world of free software is the platform upon which the future is being built. So the Narwhal, as the closest thing to a real live unicorn, is an auspicious figurehead as we lay down the fabric from which dreams will be woven. |
| 20:18.34 | Adys | Mark Shuttleworth |
| 20:19.30 | Kraps | yeah and 11.04 is the start of that |
| 20:19.33 | Kraps | wtf |
| 20:19.47 | cog|work | Adys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJGgJmnKS_k |
| 20:21.03 | Gnarfoz | Adys: Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator 1.4, Date Published: 1/30/2007, * Supported Operating Systems: Windows Server 2003; Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1; Windows Vista; Windows XP; Windows XP Service Pack 1; Windows XP Service Pack 2 |
| 20:21.07 | Gnarfoz | :( |
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| 20:21.18 | Adys | cog|work: oh my god that's awesome |
| 20:21.20 | Gnarfoz | outdated :| |
| 20:22.15 | cog|work | Gnarfoz: it still works on win7. i'm using a layout made with it right now |
| 20:22.26 | Gnarfoz | cog|work: thanks, good to know |
| 20:22.51 | cog|work | http://arjenvankol.com/dvorak.php |
| 20:23.31 | alestane | "There are things in the deep ocean that are like 90% nostril and 10% desk clamp...it's like, it's hard to say wheter they're ugly 'cause they're down there, or down there 'cause they're ugly." |
| 20:24.05 | Lunessa | If there's moisture and back-lighting! That's science. |
| 20:25.54 | Adys | alestane: that was awesome |
| 20:26.48 | alestane | On a different note, I like this comment from a review of an independent video game: "In the end, The Path is a little bit like getting punched in the nose by a centaur. It's momentarily painful, but you get to spend the next few days trying to figure out precisely what the hell just happened to you." |
| 20:28.24 | Adys | Your Amazon.co.uk order has dispatched |
| 20:28.25 | Adys | Woot |
| 20:28.30 | Adys | I ordered it like one hour ago |
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| 20:29.55 | Shirik_ | some day I'll pick up dvorak layout |
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| 20:30.28 | Adys | Shirik_: why? |
| 20:30.36 | Adys | it's a stupid layout and it's not truly better |
| 20:30.52 | cog|work | it's a good layout and it's not truly better |
| 20:30.56 | Adys | unlearning qwerty or whatever it is you used before is pointless |
| 20:31.16 | cog|work | Shirik_: i learned in high school just to be weird |
| 20:31.34 | cog|work | i wouldn't recommend it unless you can get a couple months vacation |
| 20:31.43 | cog|work | a vacation in which you type a lot |
| 20:32.07 | Gnarfoz | sounds like an awesome use of my time |
| 20:32.26 | Gnarfoz | i.e. if you didn't do it when you were in school and had tons of free time, you're not likely to do it |
| 20:32.29 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:32.40 | cog|work | 'zactly |
| 20:33.19 | Fisker | you're weird cog|work |
| 20:33.49 | cog|work | ur so sweet |
| 20:34.20 | Gnarfoz | Adys: I like how the KLC is "warning" me about keys being defined more than once, when one of the definitions is a normal key and the other one is a deadkey. m( |
| 20:34.30 | nicoli_s | 2 people use dvorak here, they seem pretty pleased with it |
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| 20:34.50 | Gnarfoz | nicoli_s: because they would never admit they wasted all that time for no gain? :p |
| 20:35.09 | nicoli_s | Gnarfoz:prob |
| 20:35.47 | Lunessa | cog|work: Using Dvorak at work, much like using a trackball, ensures no asshats in the office will be using your computer. |
| 20:35.54 | Adys | Gnarfoz: i remember that |
| 20:36.27 | Gnarfoz | so, I just built my layout again, let's see how it goes - maybe it was indeed Windows' fault |
| 20:36.59 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: using US QWERTY instead of german QWERTZ already ensures that for me, haha :D |
| 20:37.02 | Lunessa | QWERTY was designed to slow typists down to a speed mechanical typewriters could handle. And it's "the standard" because no one has pushed hard enough for a different way. |
| 20:37.15 | Gnarfoz | I should swap mouse buttons or something, too |
| 20:37.23 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: You kraut bastard? (I kid, I kid) |
| 20:37.26 | Cide | Lunessa: doesn't mean typing with it is slower after learning it |
| 20:37.28 | Gnarfoz | oh yes! |
| 20:37.33 | Kraps | hey ladies http://www.wow.com/2010/08/17/15-minutes-of-fame-even-geeks-get-chic-with-geek-chic-cosmetics/ |
| 20:37.46 | Kraps | i'm on a horse |
| 20:37.47 | Cide | not saying it isn't, but that fact alone doesn't prove it |
| 20:37.55 | Gnarfoz | "even geeks [...]" is discriminatory! |
| 20:38.10 | Shirik_ | cog|work: I can charge it to "Overhead - Professional Training & Development" |
| 20:38.15 | Kraps | yeah should say nerds |
| 20:38.18 | Gnarfoz | also: http://www.manabar.com.au/cocktails.php (yay!) |
| 20:38.20 | Lunessa | Cide: No, it doesn't, really. You can do most anything fast once you're well trained to it. |
| 20:38.21 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.23 | cog|work | Shirik_: lulz |
| 20:38.30 | Gnarfoz | geeks ^= nerds, /discuss |
| 20:38.41 | Shirik_ | xor equals? |
| 20:38.52 | Shirik_ | geeks ^ nerds == 0? |
| 20:38.55 | Cide | what shirik said |
| 20:39.06 | cog|work | geeks ^= nerds; geeks ^= nerds; geeks ^= nerds; ZOMG C WUT I DID THERE? |
| 20:39.12 | Shirik_ | zomg |
| 20:39.20 | alestane | What I usually hear explained, Lunessa, is not that it was designed to slow down the typists, but to keep the keys commonly hit in sequence from being close enough to jam when typed at full speed. |
| 20:39.28 | Cide | ocarina of lime |
| 20:39.30 | Cide | that's amazing |
| 20:39.34 | Shirik_ | I wonder if that's how std::swap is implemented |
| 20:39.38 | Kraps | http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/8f0fd7ed-925c-45f7-8ab0-c452540898c6.png |
| 20:39.54 | Lunessa | alestane: *nod* Mechanical arms being problematic that way. |
| 20:40.04 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: graphs ftw |
| 20:40.13 | Cide | why link graphjam when you can link xkcd |
| 20:40.20 | alestane | It sounds like a classy mojito, Cide. |
| 20:40.22 | Cide | http://xkcd.com/747/ |
| 20:40.27 | Cide | yep |
| 20:40.29 | Shirik_ | nope |
| 20:40.31 | Kraps | i just saw it :( |
| 20:40.34 | Gnarfoz | haha, cheap knockoff |
| 20:40.35 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 20:40.47 | Shirik_ | apparently std::swap does the typical T a = e1; e1 = e2; e2 = a; |
| 20:41.06 | cog|work | depending on the implementation |
| 20:41.16 | cog|work | i'm sure that one depends on copy elision from the compiler |
| 20:41.18 | p3lim | how can this song not have been put on the internet? :s |
| 20:41.29 | p3lim | The Staple Singers - Masters of War |
| 20:42.06 | p3lim | Its a cover, and its from 1964, but still :/ |
| 20:42.23 | Shirik_ | well |
| 20:42.32 | Shirik_ | I think std::swap in C++0x uses move semantics |
| 20:43.02 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 20:43.17 | Gnarfoz | cool, they actually improved the "language bar" in win7 |
| 20:43.48 | cog|work | indeed. Did XP allow you to choose a different icon depending on you current layout? |
| 20:43.53 | Gnarfoz | nope. |
| 20:43.57 | Gnarfoz | just discovered that. |
| 20:44.30 | Gnarfoz | also it can now properly dock into the taskbar (which is really more of a fix than a feature, but then I said "improved", which covers that) |
| 20:44.33 | Gnarfoz | äÃdäÃdäÃd |
| 20:44.38 | Gnarfoz | öiiöiâñ |
| 20:44.43 | Gnarfoz | okay, it works here at least. |
| 20:44.49 | cog|work | looks fine to me |
| 20:44.58 | Shirik_ | except that I can't pronounce that |
| 20:45.01 | Fisker | slaps Shirik_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:45.06 | Gnarfoz | nobody could |
| 20:45.21 | Gnarfoz | probably gotta restart everything once because changing the default layout doesn't apply globably/retroactively |
| 20:45.45 | Gnarfoz | (or I could remove the plain QWERTY layout - if this works there's no reason to be able to switch, anyway) |
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| 20:48.19 | Kraps | "If a fantasy role-playing game is making you feel like hell, and you are paying for the privilege, maybe something is wrong. There are plenty of ways to feel crappy for free." |
| 20:48.43 | Dagmar | "A good one being to wait for puberty to finish." |
| 20:49.20 | Kraps | :) |
| 20:49.25 | Dagmar | Kraps: Soon, EQ and EQ2 can be added to that list |
| 20:49.26 | Gnarfoz | I don't recall puberty making me feel crappy |
| 20:49.57 | Dagmar | The hormones are sneaky like that. |
| 20:50.09 | Gnarfoz | ban hormones NOW! they cause memory loss! |
| 20:50.16 | Kraps | pretty cool that the escapist has a physiologist on their staff |
| 20:50.16 | Gnarfoz | Adys: it's WoW. same problem as before. äÃüà clear the current input box, öÃà work fine. :( |
| 20:50.22 | Kraps | err |
| 20:50.36 | Kraps | psychologist |
| 20:51.03 | Gnarfoz | I do wonder how I could report this problem to Blizzard to get it fixed :( |
| 20:52.42 | Dagmar | They could add a "daily affirmation" module like the tutorial tips |
| 20:52.51 | Dagmar | ...or just put some into the loading hints. |
| 20:53.05 | Dagmar | "Reminder: You are a special little flower." |
| 20:54.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: via the forums/email? |
| 20:54.56 | alestane | "Because I'm smart, I'm funny, and Gosh darn it, People Like Me!" |
| 20:55.45 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: can't post on any forums Blizzard care about, and not sure what email address would be appropriate for it. I'd probably get a "well, it's your keyboard layout's fault" response anyway |
| 20:56.41 | nicoli_s | it is the keyboard's fault |
| 20:56.43 | Gnarfoz | hah, actually, thanks to beta, I could post on US beta forums, not sure that's the right place for it, though :P |
| 20:56.51 | nicoli_s | i mean blizzard's voice in your head doesnt lie |
| 20:56.56 | Gnarfoz | nicoli_s: that makes even less sense! :D |
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| 21:05.19 | nicoli_s | Ackis:see the new fable 3 screens? |
| 21:07.22 | alestane | ...What? http://www.instantattitudes.com/shirts/t086.html |
| 21:07.25 | Fisker | nicoli_s |
| 21:07.30 | Fisker | enjoy your xbox? |
| 21:08.15 | nicoli_s | Fisker:its broke :( but im getting a new one for my bday |
| 21:09.09 | alestane | Even better: http://www.instantattitudes.com/shirts/t073.html |
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| 21:09.39 | Fisker | a slim nicoli_s ? |
| 21:09.45 | alestane | cog|work: I think you were |away last time I tried linking this to you: http://store.funnytimes.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TFTGS&Product_Code=FT433 |
| 21:11.44 | Gnarfoz | Adys, cog|work : do you know a (windows!) program that can display the keyboard scancodes currently being pressed? I'd like to re-check that my layout actually sends the same as a standard german layout would, but I can't recall which program I used last time |
| 21:11.49 | nicoli_s | Fisker:yeah |
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| 21:12.13 | cog|work | alestane: hehe |
| 21:12.18 | alestane | http://www.instantattitudes.com/shirts/t023.html , Lunessa. |
| 21:12.39 | Lunessa | alestane: WIN |
| 21:13.31 | Adys | Gnarfoz: sorry, no |
| 21:13.41 | Adys | maybe cygwin has one |
| 21:14.55 | Kraps | i corrected someone on the internet, i feel better now http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.226356-267-Azeroth-Is-Burning#7735307 |
| 21:16.14 | nicoli_s | is that what you look like in real life kraps? if so you look like a crazy old man |
| 21:16.45 | Kraps | dude thats sirius black |
| 21:16.47 | Gnarfoz | nicoli_s: watch harry potter, please |
| 21:16.52 | Kraps | i look like him |
| 21:17.02 | Kraps | wait no i dont |
| 21:17.18 | nicoli_s | Gnarfoz:ive seen it its just been a while |
| 21:17.46 | Kraps | nicoli_s: he shows up in the third one |
| 21:17.57 | durcyn | get pop culture references or get out. |
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| 21:18.43 | nicoli_s | ive read all the books, i just didnt pay attention much to the movies |
| 21:18.52 | Lunessa | Dude, that's Gary Oldman in a lot of make up. |
| 21:19.32 | Kraps | ^ |
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| 21:20.08 | Kraps | hes the insane cop in the professional |
| 21:20.25 | Gnarfoz | he's many bad guys in many movies. |
| 21:20.25 | Lunessa | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/102805-Blizzard-Squeezes-88-Million-From-Private-Server-Owner - this makes me lawl |
| 21:20.25 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:21.09 | durcyn | eh, the "private server owner" was skeevy as hell, though, and probably deserved it |
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| 21:21.51 | Kraps | the consensus is that blizz wont actually see all that money |
| 21:22.01 | nicoli_s | its funny, the software they used is based off a private server i worked on for years |
| 21:22.08 | Kraps | y/n |
| 21:22.08 | Dagmar | There's pretty much no way that woman is good for the whole amount |
| 21:22.16 | Kraps | right |
| 21:22.19 | nicoli_s | and like none of the people who wrote the software got any money either |
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| 21:22.36 | Fisker | reported nicoli_s |
| 21:22.43 | Dagmar | Definitely sends a message about trying to, to put it bluntly, pirate Blizzard's IP for money |
| 21:23.11 | Kraps | reported for reporting fis |
| 21:23.14 | Kraps | ker |
| 21:23.18 | Kraps | rer |
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| 21:24.18 | nicoli_s | Fisker:blizz's lawyers already know, they contacted me:P |
| 21:24.18 | Fisker | anyway haven't the argument always been that the servers themselves aren't illegal, only using the game art and the serverside content (quests, etc)? |
| 21:24.18 | alestane | Thank you for crazy customers' sane partners: http://notalwaysright.com/waiter-hater/6581 |
| 21:24.18 | nicoli_s | and it bypasses copyright protection |
| 21:24.18 | Shadowed | That's like saying stealing isn't illegal |
| 21:24.19 | Shadowed | it's entering the property |
| 21:24.35 | Fisker | Copyright infringement is never stealing |
| 21:25.13 | Fisker | The argument is that the DMCA allows you to create your own server for interoperability |
| 21:25.34 | Kraps | thats a big word Fisker |
| 21:25.40 | Fisker | indeed Kraps |
| 21:25.46 | Fisker | and now i'm watching stargaets |
| 21:25.47 | Gnarfoz | Adys: MSKLC oddity, from the built-in help file: "Name -- The name of the keyboard. This name becomes the name of the Keyboard DLL, and must be eight characters or less (so that the compiled file can fit in 8.3 form)." |
| 21:25.58 | Gnarfoz | yay 8.3? oO |
| 21:26.08 | Adys | ive no idea |
| 21:27.15 | Kraps | "Cataclysm may also eventually include a system that allows players to scale down their character's level in order to help newer players. [...] Scaling down levels probably won't be possible when Cataclysm is released, but it's a feature that will be coming eventually and should help players of differing levels adventure together more easily." |
| 21:27.20 | Kraps | WHOA |
| 21:27.23 | Kraps | DUDE |
| 21:27.32 | Kraps | FREEL |
| 21:27.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | Age of conan had that, except you could scale up lower level chars |
| 21:27.55 | Odlaw | SWEET.. sounds like dance studio!!111one |
| 21:27.57 | KarlKFI|work | isnt that cheating? |
| 21:28.10 | cog|work | you mean we can actually PLAY through deadmines instead of faceroll? |
| 21:28.16 | KarlKFI|work | is it gonna scale down your level and damage from gear too? |
| 21:28.18 | Kraps | Odlaw: OMG DANCE STUDIO |
| 21:28.32 | Odlaw | warhammer scaled people's levels in pvp zones to a minimum threshold.. was pretty nice |
| 21:29.11 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/kids-movies-cost-an-arm-and-a-leg/6535 Yeah, not really something I'd watch with a six-year-old. |
| 21:29.59 | Kraps | alestane: have you seen the movie "9"? |
| 21:30.14 | alestane | Don't think so. |
| 21:30.31 | alestane | 7, yes, but I think I'm missing the extra 2. |
| 21:30.47 | cog|work | 2 more hours... |
| 21:31.01 | Kraps | its animated with cutelooking sackdolls |
| 21:31.36 | Xyphoid | it was pretty cool |
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| 21:33.40 | Lunessa | alestane: It's worth a rental. |
| 21:33.41 | Kraps | my 12 year old nephew didnt like it and im like "orly"; because of 1 character carrying an idiot ball, the whole movie is 9 sackdolls running from a monstrous monster who get defeated when only 4 are left |
| 21:34.07 | Kraps | sorry i spoiled it |
| 21:36.55 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/16/funny-pictures-overfeeding-hamster/ |
| 21:37.40 | alestane | pounces on Cairenn. |
| 21:38.14 | Cairenn | hugs alestane |
| 21:41.09 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:45.36 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:46.16 | Fisker | damn didn't work a second time |
| 21:50.59 | Kraps | your mom doesnt work a second time |
| 21:52.30 | nicoli_s | i liked 9 |
| 21:52.38 | nicoli_s | the creature design was awesome |
| 21:53.14 | Kraps | dresden files tv show y/n |
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| 21:56.03 | Dagmar | Kraps: If you read the books, you probaly wanna skip that |
| 21:56.11 | Kraps | i havent |
| 21:56.22 | Kraps | i'm considering it |
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| 22:03.24 | theorbtwo | I watched the tv series, and enjoyed it. Several years later, I read the books, and enjoyed them. |
| 22:03.53 | theorbtwo | The books and the tv series are set in similar universes, not the same universe. |
| 22:04.00 | theorbtwo | Don't expect one to be just like the other. |
| 22:04.46 | Lunessa | Kraps: The TV show is fine, but you need to consider it very different from the novels. |
| 22:05.47 | Lunessa | I read the first 6 or so books. I still found the TV show enjoyable on its own; my brother railed at the hideous blasphemy and threw a hammer at his TV set. |
| 22:06.30 | nicoli_s | ouch |
| 22:06.31 | Kraps | O-o |
| 22:07.05 | Lunessa | My brother was also ready to murder Peter jackson because the LotR movies were not identical to the novels. |
| 22:07.28 | Kraps | lol |
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| 22:12.23 | Kraps | i havent read the books but i watched the extended movies and thought they were paragons of epicosity |
| 22:12.37 | nicoli_s | honestly what movie is exactly like the book its based off? |
| 22:13.15 | Dagmar | There's 'creative licence' and there's 'fucking the skull of the francise righs' |
| 22:13.28 | Dagmar | Dresden Files was the latter. |
| 22:13.48 | Kraps | the first 2 potter movies were pretty close to what i imagined in my head |
| 22:13.55 | Dagmar | The only things that the show had in common with the books were that the main character was a guy who was a wizard in modern-day, and lived in Detroit. |
| 22:14.00 | Dagmar | er Chicago |
| 22:14.25 | Dagmar | Everything that made Harry Dresden unique in the books was Omitted for the show, with the exception of magic |
| 22:14.45 | Kraps | which is why i dont get why people say the 3rd one was the best |
| 22:15.11 | Dagmar | Because it's the one episode which was actually the pilot which _actually_ had some things in common with the books |
| 22:15.13 | Kraps | they left out a HUGE plot point at the end |
| 22:15.21 | Dagmar | If it's the episode I think you're talking about |
| 22:15.28 | Lunessa | You must construct more pylons: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-08/16/human-pylons |
| 22:15.30 | Kraps | Dagmar: im talking potter :p |
| 22:15.33 | Dagmar | Like, there was a real serious reason Harry lived in a basement |
| 22:15.35 | Dagmar | Oh |
| 22:16.02 | Dagmar | Which plot point are you talking about? |
| 22:16.23 | Lunessa | Dagmar: and has very few modern appliances. |
| 22:16.39 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Most importantly, no cell phone |
| 22:17.12 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I know. Like I said, they were two different animals, and it was possible to like both. |
| 22:17.18 | Dagmar | I can let the issue that they picked an actor who was about as average looking as say, Dillon from 90120. |
| 22:17.23 | Dagmar | er let that go |
| 22:17.42 | Xyphoid | this reminds me of the conversations i had with Vampire the Masquerade people when the tv show for that one came out |
| 22:17.47 | Kraps | the stag is harrys fathers patronus, and he may or may not have seen his father cast it |
| 22:18.24 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: It did real well, didn't it |
| 22:18.26 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 22:18.33 | Xyphoid | i like the dresden books, but man the pop culture references get a leetle grating |
| 22:18.44 | Dagmar | Kraps: It's not necessary that you know that tho |
| 22:19.04 | Xyphoid | the lord of the rings discussion in the latest one fit about as well as the superman vs batman or whatever it was stuff in Kill Bill |
| 22:19.23 | Dagmar | xyphoid: it's to draw contrast between what the average joe thinks of as "important" and "lasting" and that Harry's dealing with forces who have agendas with dandruff that are bigger |
| 22:20.07 | Gnarfoz | sigh, no clue as to why german layout works but my custom layout doesn't. :( |
| 22:20.50 | Kraps | eh heh http://www.jeffheidelberg.com/images/wallpaper/Buffy1.jpg may be NSFW |
| 22:21.13 | cog|work | Ackis: are you really curious about the prop 8 ruling? there's a great set of videos explaining the decision ... |
| 22:21.18 | Gnarfoz | augh badly cut out show logo, Kraps |
| 22:21.21 | cog|work | or are you just a troll? :P |
| 22:21.56 | Gnarfoz | he's ALWAYS a troll |
| 22:22.57 | Kraps | i heard hes addicted to crack |
| 22:23.58 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 22:23.59 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 22:24.14 | cog|work | crackis? |
| 22:24.56 | Gnarfoz | pressing AltGr+u (which in my custom layout is ü) in WoW, using the german layout (in which that maps to... nothing at all!) *also* clears the input field |
| 22:25.31 | cog|work | Gnarfoz: hmm... maybe it's interpreting AltGr as ctrl-alt? |
| 22:25.38 | Gnarfoz | of course it is, that's what alt-gr is |
| 22:25.44 | Gnarfoz | that's intended |
| 22:25.55 | cog|work | ctrl-altgr works for me tho |
| 22:26.04 | Gnarfoz | you can not define "AltGr" key mappings, they're all ctrl-alt mappings "in reality" |
| 22:26.05 | cog|work | but my point is that ctrl-u clears the text field |
| 22:26.20 | Gnarfoz | well. what makes it do that oO |
| 22:26.24 | cog|work | and in the text field, alt is used to allow arrow key usage |
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| 22:26.31 | cog|work | Gnarfoz: it's a common enough shortcut |
| 22:26.36 | cog|work | i use it in irssi all the time |
| 22:26.41 | cog|work | and was surprised to find it works in wow |
| 22:26.45 | Gnarfoz | ctrl-a makes sense, too, then |
| 22:27.18 | Gnarfoz | and i'm in the character creation screen, no need for alt there (plus, prat enables cursor key usage without a modifier) |
| 22:27.34 | cog|work | right, but the code is still there for all edit boxes probably |
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| 22:27.59 | Gnarfoz | I guess I never tried all this while "fully awake" |
| 22:28.00 | cog|work | it's part of the API |
| 22:28.34 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh, that was wierd. |
| 22:28.34 | Gnarfoz | because I read the help file earlier and it said "don't put special combinations where ctrl-something combinations might be" |
| 22:28.54 | Gnarfoz | how could I have missed that the 32535 other times I spent evenings trying to figure out what was going on?! |
| 22:29.09 | Gnarfoz | deserves uppercase facepalm smiley: M( |
| 22:29.18 | cog|work | ha |
| 22:30.03 | Gnarfoz | so I wonder if WoW could do something differently but doesn't or if everything else is doing something different than it should |
| 22:30.18 | Gnarfoz | because it works fine everywhere else! |
| 22:30.54 | Gnarfoz | (and notepad knows ctrl-a; not ctrl-u though) |
| 22:31.07 | Kraps | Adys: ping |
| 22:31.14 | Adys | Pong |
| 22:31.32 | Gnarfoz | now I need to find another program that knows ctrl-u |
| 22:32.20 | Kraps | Adys: if i told you that the mmochamp homepage is bandwith intensive, what would you say |
| 22:32.29 | Adys | old fucking news |
| 22:32.31 | Gnarfoz | because surely enough, altgr-a selects the entire input field. the funny thing is: the character that's supposed to be entered makes it through in the end |
| 22:32.41 | Kraps | well :) |
| 22:32.57 | Kraps | over thought of doing a mobile version? |
| 22:33.01 | Kraps | ever* |
| 22:33.28 | Dagmar | "mobile" versions are for chumps |
| 22:33.45 | Dagmar | All the pro sites expect people to have a cell phone that doubles as a teraflop computer, or haven't you noticed |
| 22:34.04 | Kraps | heh |
| 22:34.11 | Gnarfoz | you don't have a teraflop phone? |
| 22:34.51 | Kraps | ... i left it in my car |
| 22:35.01 | Gnarfoz | you mean you left your car in it |
| 22:35.26 | Kraps | on that note http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26435197815/sell-your-mom-for-shadowmourne/ |
| 22:35.30 | Gnarfoz | can't find a windows program that knows ctrl-u to clear text :| |
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| 22:37.24 | durcyn | just shift-home; del. duh. |
| 22:37.32 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: scrollback, it's relevant |
| 22:37.55 | durcyn | i ain't reading all those words |
| 22:38.28 | Gnarfoz | I assure you, some are there more than once, so it's not that bad |
| 22:39.21 | Kraps | "Section 8 prohibits the export and sale of the game to countries the United States has embargoed or persons that are on the "Specially Designated Nationals" list, essentially a list of terrorist organizations." |
| 22:39.31 | Kraps | of wows eula |
| 22:40.14 | Xyphoid | not much choice about that i guess |
| 22:40.43 | Gnarfoz | who cares about them anyway |
| 22:40.45 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 22:40.48 | durcyn | export controls apply to pretty much any crypto |
| 22:41.24 | Kraps | "Next, Blizzard declares that it are not liable for any loss your avatars suffer. Blizzard is not required to restore your account when it gets hacked. Blizzard does account restorations as a service to the community, but it is under no obligation to do so. You agree to hold Blizzard harmless for any injuries you suffer because of playing the game." |
| 22:41.29 | Gnarfoz | wow is crpyto now? :D |
| 22:41.44 | Dagmar | It involves some, yes |
| 22:41.46 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: why are you pasting this now? |
| 22:41.50 | durcyn | yeah, man, they're using super secure {CRYPT} passwords. |
| 22:42.09 | durcyn | 8 characters, case-insensitive. it's the wave of the -future- |
| 22:42.11 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: oh shi- |
| 22:42.18 | Dagmar | It's SSL'd |
| 22:42.19 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: have YOU ever read the eula? :p |
| 22:42.20 | Xyphoid | you can't even sell spoons to cuba |
| 22:42.21 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/08/17/the-lawbringer-rookies-guide-to-the-eula-part-2/ |
| 22:42.23 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: fo sho |
| 22:42.24 | Xyphoid | let alone crypto |
| 22:42.30 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: certainly, you apparently haven't |
| 22:42.35 | durcyn | Kraps: your first mistake is reading wow.com |
| 22:42.36 | Kraps | nope |
| 22:42.42 | durcyn | Kraps: your second mistake is linking wow.com |
| 22:42.57 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: out of pure curiosity, though, EULAs are not valid here anyway |
| 22:43.01 | Kraps | look, they have good stuff to ok? |
| 22:43.12 | Kraps | too* |
| 22:43.14 | durcyn | Kraps: your third mistake is defending wow.com =P |
| 22:43.17 | Gnarfoz | they only have old stuff and stuff written by children |
| 22:43.26 | durcyn | i prefer my bad fansites not run by AOL anyway |
| 22:43.30 | Kraps | grrrs at durcyn |
| 22:44.36 | Gnarfoz | so because WoW handles WM_KEYDOWN, I'm screwed |
| 22:44.43 | Gnarfoz | blergh |
| 22:45.02 | Gnarfoz | NOW I wish AltGr *was* something else than Ctrl-Alt. |
| 22:45.42 | durcyn | remap it, can wow take mod4 binds in wine? |
| 22:46.21 | Gnarfoz | remap what? and I don't know what the stuff after the comma is supposed to mean, except "wine" (and I'm not on linux anyway) |
| 22:46.42 | durcyn | i told you i wasn't going to read scrollback. |
| 22:47.06 | Gnarfoz | watch me care |
| 22:47.16 | durcyn | you're so cute when you care |
| 22:47.20 | Gnarfoz | I'm encountering just another case of backwards compatibility being a pain in the ass |
| 22:47.45 | Gnarfoz | oh, then I'm never cute :( |
| 22:47.53 | Gnarfoz | durcyn is a meanie |
| 22:49.20 | Kraps | gets his care box |
| 22:51.56 | Kraps | why would you sell your mom for shadowmorne? it'll be obsolete in a few months. sell her for a phoenix mount at least |
| 22:52.17 | Gnarfoz | nobody would be buying anyway, because she's been obsolete for years |
| 22:52.51 | Dagmar | "Why buy when you can rent?" |
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| 22:55.52 | Gnarfoz | I do wonder, though, if WoW intercepts the ctrl-a in ctrl-alt-a, why doesn't it intercept the ctrl-s in ctrl-alt-s |
| 22:56.21 | Gnarfoz | (and why does it at all, it should realize that ctrl-alt-a is something else than ctrl-a) |
| 22:56.26 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: if you have C-A-S bound, then that will catch it |
| 22:56.42 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Let me assure you, it does. |
| 22:56.55 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: it does not, please read scrollback. |
| 22:56.56 | Dagmar | I wind up with my sound getting turned off all the time because of the way I have my G15 keys bound |
| 22:57.07 | Gnarfoz | it erases my text, but doesn't toggle my sound :D |
| 22:57.24 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: that's just the way keybinding works, the most specific catches |
| 22:57.34 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: uhm... not! |
| 22:58.06 | Gnarfoz | because my keyboard layout has ctrl-alt-s as Ã, wow apparently can't handle that |
| 22:58.16 | Gnarfoz | errr |
| 22:58.25 | Gnarfoz | ctrl-alt-s works fine, ctrl-alt-a and u are the two in question |
| 22:58.42 | Gnarfoz | (and ctrl-alt-s doesn't touch my sound, which is weird, because it should be how Dagmar says) |
| 22:59.02 | Gnarfoz | WTB neuronal interface damnit |
| 22:59.13 | Dagmar | I'd blame DirectX |
| 22:59.43 | Gnarfoz | I can subscribe to that |
| 23:00.33 | Gnarfoz | I guess I'll just re-do the layout in a way that makes no sense |
| 23:00.49 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: there is the chance that it's the keyboard driver that's causing it, that it parses it before it reaches the game |
| 23:00.51 | Gnarfoz | i.e. ä not being on the same key a is on, and so on |
| 23:01.02 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: it's "the usb driver" |
| 23:01.43 | Maldivia | could try going into the key bindings, and try to bind the combination to something, and see if it lists the combo or a letter |
| 23:01.47 | Gnarfoz | there's no different ones for that - and that's the point, wow is handling WM_KEYDOWN messages itself, instead of just gulping down WM_CHAR messages |
| 23:02.06 | Dagmar | I completely agree it's a pain in the ass |
| 23:02.16 | Gnarfoz | which makes sense of course, it couldn't do modified keybindings at all if it didn't |
| 23:02.49 | Dagmar | There's no reason I should wind up wiht my sound off, since I'll be *holding* the S key to backpedal while I hit say, mousebutton 7 which is bound to ctl+1 |
| 23:03.12 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: I'll give the keybinding thing a whirl for kicks, but I figure there's no way around avoiding the A-Z keys for stuff that *could* be a ctrl-something combination |
| 23:03.13 | Dagmar | It just sees ctrl and s down at the same time and thinks "Hey, let's make thing real quiet to piss this guy off" |
| 23:03.33 | Gnarfoz | you could of course rebind the wow shortcut for "toggle sound", hehe |
| 23:03.47 | Dagmar | That would require typing something in lua |
| 23:03.51 | Gnarfoz | huh? |
| 23:03.59 | Gnarfoz | no, that requires to go into the keybind menu |
| 23:04.08 | Dagmar | Its not in the list of keybinds unless they've added it recently |
| 23:04.13 | Gnarfoz | it's been there since 1.0 |
| 23:04.16 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 23:04.24 | Gnarfoz | okay, 1.2.1, which was the EU release version. ;p |
| 23:04.51 | Gnarfoz | and, failing that, "longer than I can recall" |
| 23:04.52 | Dagmar | My first thought was actually to go into there and just unbind it |
| 23:05.10 | Gnarfoz | which, regardless of since when you can do it, you can do |
| 23:06.09 | Dagmar | http://forums.wowgrunt.com/thread.php?id=12197386866&forumID=10023 |
| 23:06.26 | Dagmar | "[Alt]+S is a shortcut to disable sound effects, in the same way that [Alt]+M will disable music. These commands will not appear in your keybinds and cannot be changed. " |
| 23:06.48 | Maldivia | Dagmar: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/Bindings.xml - search for TOGGLESOUND :P |
| 23:06.52 | Dagmar | Although, there's some other comments in that thread that would seem to indicate something weird is going on there |
| 23:06.55 | Gnarfoz | alt-s does nothing for me |
| 23:07.06 | Gnarfoz | except walking backwards |
| 23:07.26 | Dagmar | Look you can keep saying it all you like, I've actually been in _here_ before whiel the client was open in another window and had people confirm it's not in the list of keybinds on the US client |
| 23:07.29 | Gnarfoz | also, ctrl-m does what that guy says alt-m would do |
| 23:07.53 | Gnarfoz | why must you be so thick? IT'S IN THERE :F |
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| 23:08.13 | Dagmar | I'm already having to play like freaking Liberache on some boss fights, so turning sound back on every so often doesn't actually add that much more complexity |
| 23:08.19 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Reality is to blame. |
| 23:10.18 | Gnarfoz | http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/WoWScrnShot_081810_010900.jpg < |
| 23:10.38 | Dagmar | Try the US client |
| 23:11.00 | Gnarfoz | they don't differ. |
| 23:11.07 | Gnarfoz | not in there, anyway |
| 23:11.18 | Dagmar | Yeah well, I'll look again tonight but I don't expect to find it |
| 23:11.24 | Gnarfoz | also, Maldivia already linked you the UI source code |
| 23:11.39 | Gnarfoz | if you don't believe source code, I'm not sure what else there is |
| 23:11.52 | Dagmar | My damn eyes when I'm staring at the screen |
| 23:14.21 | Dagmar | I don't think that page is what creates the dialog panel either |
| 23:16.27 | Gnarfoz | I'd rely on wowwiki, if only it wasn't so inaccurate (...) |
| 23:16.51 | Gnarfoz | it claims 1.1.2 was the EU release version and that 1.2.1 was the eu version of patch 1.2 |
| 23:17.14 | Gnarfoz | but the dates don't make any sense because patch 1.2.2 was released on the EU release date |
| 23:17.25 | Gnarfoz | blah |
| 23:17.34 | Kraps | hey an african american vampire |
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| 23:18.04 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: a black vampire? |
| 23:18.30 | Kraps | yeah, seems to be the big bad in buffy season 2 |
| 23:19.08 | Gnarfoz | ._. |
| 23:20.44 | Gnarfoz | <Maldivia> could try going into the key bindings, and try to bind the combination to something, and see if it lists the combo or a letter <-- to answer that: it sees ctrl-a as ctrl-a and ctrl-alt-a/altgr-a as ctrl-alt-a. which kind of makes sense, too. =| |
| 23:21.02 | Adys | Can someone explain to me the difference between libcurl4-gnutls-dev and libcurl4-openssl-dev? Arrowmaster? |
| 23:21.43 | Gnarfoz | one uses gnutls, the other uses openssl? |
| 23:22.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats about it |
| 23:22.20 | Adys | I meant, which one's better, and is it ok to use one or the other for any project I'm compiling |
| 23:22.20 | cog|work | Kraps: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/35406 |
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| 23:22.40 | Gnarfoz | Adys: are you distributing said project? |
| 23:22.45 | cog|work | worth a rofl or two... ending is quite hilarious |
| 23:22.46 | Adys | no, just compiling |
| 23:22.50 | Dagmar | You'll probably want libcurl4-openssl |
| 23:22.51 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue if you can pick which one to use |
| 23:23.03 | Dagmar | The gnutls one has deps which are a much bigger pain than openssl |
| 23:23.14 | Adys | Arrowmaster: i think ive compiled both wine and transmission with either of them |
| 23:23.28 | Arrowmaster | you actually use transmission? |
| 23:23.38 | Adys | why wouldnt i? |
| 23:24.06 | Arrowmaster | didnt have enough options for me |
| 23:24.34 | Adys | i just want to configure speeds, prios and folders, i dont really care about the rest |
| 23:24.38 | Adys | any in particular you were missing? |
| 23:24.43 | Adys | they added a lot since 1.2x |
| 23:25.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont think i found those options when i used it |
| 23:27.18 | Adys | ./configure: line 17863: syntax error near unexpected token `0.35.0,no-xml' |
| 23:27.18 | Adys | ./configure: line 17863: ` IT_PROG_INTLTOOL(0.35.0,no-xml)' |
| 23:27.20 | Adys | sighs |
| 23:27.24 | Adys | they need to fix that |
| 23:27.28 | Adys | i need to edit configure script by hand |
| 23:27.29 | Adys | =/ |
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| 23:39.22 | Kraps | lol cog|away |
| 23:43.16 | Jerub | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26435507860&postId=264329302245&sid=1#7 |
| 23:43.40 | Jerub | (am i trolling? yes i am.) |
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| 23:47.54 | Cide | I like your bait with 23% |
| 23:48.01 | Cide | in before "IT'S 30%, NOT 23%!!!" |
| 23:48.09 | Cide | s/'// |
| 23:48.18 | Cide | ^ [sic] |
| 23:48.44 | Wobin | is there a base 7% boost? |
| 23:49.31 | Cide | no |
| 23:49.38 | Cide | lua> 1/(1-0.23) |
| 23:49.39 | lua_bot | Cide: 1.2987012987013 |
| 23:49.57 | Wobin | ah =) |
| 23:49.59 | Wobin | yay maths |
| 23:50.07 | Cide | 1.3*0.77 ~= 1 |
| 23:50.13 | Jerub | Cide: ;) |
| 23:50.47 | ckknight | lua> 1.3*0.77 |
| 23:50.47 | lua_bot | ckknight: 1.001 |
| 23:50.54 | ckknight | lua> 1/1.3 |
| 23:50.54 | lua_bot | ckknight: 0.76923076923077 |
| 23:51.08 | ckknight | lua> 1.3 * 0.76923076923077 == 1 |
| 23:51.09 | lua_bot | ckknight: false |
| 23:51.12 | ckknight | :( |
| 23:51.20 | ckknight | sniffles at the falsehood |
| 23:52.23 | Jerub | Cide: i was very proud of the 23% thing. I wanted to phrase it as 'nerfed by' instead of 'removed boost of' |
| 23:52.36 | Cide | actually it's not false, ckknight :P |
| 23:52.45 | ckknight | you're false. |
| 23:52.51 | Cide | true |
| 23:52.55 | ckknight | k |
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| 23:54.05 | Dagmar | Jerub: When the Tall Man comes for you, he won't care that you were only joking. |
| 23:54.08 | Cide | 0.76923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923076923 |
| 23:54.08 | Cide | 076923076923076 |
| 23:54.10 | Cide | is more accurate |
| 23:54.12 | Dagmar | He'll eat your eyes all the same. |
| 23:54.18 | Cide | lua> 1.3*0.7692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692 |
| 23:54.19 | lua_bot | Cide: 1 |
| 23:54.22 | Cide | lua> 1.3*0.7692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692307692 == 1 |
| 23:54.23 | lua_bot | Cide: true |
| 23:54.25 | Cide | boom. |
| 23:54.44 | Cide | Jerub: I approve |
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