| 00:00.12 | cloudwolf | O.o cairenn isnt in the channel how is that possible! lol |
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| 00:03.47 | Thunder_Child | she might be, just not under caireen |
| 00:03.55 | Thunder_Child | she might be, just not under cairenn* |
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| 00:05.39 | Mirrormn | this is really getting my goat |
| 00:05.51 | Mirrormn | trying to find a normal PCI video card for ~$30 |
| 00:09.19 | Cide | so... |
| 00:09.22 | Ressy | PCI?? |
| 00:09.23 | Cide | FlexAuth or blizzard's authenticator? |
| 00:09.28 | Cide | Antiarc? :) |
| 00:09.28 | Ressy | uh.. Time to upgrade your comp. |
| 00:15.11 | Yssaril | Mirrormn: what do you nee a PCI card for? |
| 00:15.23 | Mirrormn | run a third monitor |
| 00:15.51 | Mirrormn | my motherboard only has one pcie 16x slot |
| 00:16.03 | Maldivia | Mirrormn: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/guidedSearch.asp?CatId=28&sel=Detail;55_158_2872_2872 |
| 00:16.08 | Yssaril | ouch |
| 00:16.09 | Mirrormn | and pcie 1x video cards seem even rarer and more expensive than pci ones |
| 00:16.40 | flexd_ | hmm wtf |
| 00:16.48 | flexd_ | "Recording of the user interface is on" |
| 00:17.21 | Cide | Antiarc, ping |
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| 00:18.18 | Mirrormn | I was reading that you can actually take a pcie 1x slot, cut out the plastic on the back of the slot, and then just put a pcie 16x card in it and it will work |
| 00:18.36 | Yssaril | i doubt it |
| 00:18.50 | Mirrormn | well, it definitely works in some cases |
| 00:19.18 | Maldivia | Mirrormn: well, there are plenty of PCI cards out there available |
| 00:19.21 | Mirrormn | but I was reading elsewhere that it often doesn't work with cards that don't use the 6pin power connector on the back |
| 00:20.13 | Mirrormn | yar, just finding the right one is difficult |
| 00:23.01 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: It's not likely to work *well* |
| 00:23.10 | Ressy | Mirrormn, you'd be better off with a splitter tbh. |
| 00:23.52 | Yssaril | Mirrormn: http://www.usbgear.com/USBG-DVI2.html :P |
| 00:23.53 | Mirrormn | I don't see how a splitter could run 3 monitors without 2 of them being mirrors |
| 00:24.07 | Ressy | what card are you using? |
| 00:24.15 | Mirrormn | right now I have a 9800gt |
| 00:24.39 | Mirrormn | Yssaril: that is both way more expensive than a PCI card, but also puts a significant load on your processor |
| 00:24.58 | Yssaril | didn't say it was a good idea :) |
| 00:25.07 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: That thing isn't really expected to do more htan simple windows |
| 00:25.47 | Mirrormn | mmhmm |
| 00:26.49 | Mirrormn | well it would be nice to have one that could handle full screen h.264 video, but I obviously wouldn't do any 3d gaming with that monitor |
| 00:27.35 | Mirrormn | I think I found a decent one on ebay for $25 |
| 00:28.06 | Ressy | Is this third monitor going to be used in for wow, or outside? Because I can guarantee your fps will crater in wow if you use that PCI card.. |
| 00:28.09 | Mirrormn | radeon x1300, new in box |
| 00:28.32 | Mirrormn | like I just said, I obviously wouldn't do any 3d gaming with that monitor |
| 00:28.40 | Mirrormn | just extended desktop |
| 00:30.19 | foxlit | btw, splitters do work |
| 00:30.27 | foxlit | assuming your video card is up for it |
| 00:30.57 | Ressy | 9800gt has 2 ports, yes? |
| 00:31.22 | Ressy | I have the gtx+, so.. i dunno. |
| 00:32.21 | Ressy | You should be able to run a splitter off the first port, for the 2 wow monitors, and then run the 3rd monitor off the 2nd port. |
| 00:32.25 | Mirrormn | well it probably depends ont he vendor, but yeah, mine has 2 dvi ports |
| 00:33.03 | Mirrormn | I still don't see how a splitter could work |
| 00:33.20 | Mirrormn | unless it treated both screens as a single monitor |
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| 00:33.35 | Ressy | yeah, and changes the resolution, to fit everything |
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| 00:33.59 | Thunder_Child | mmm...i want an i7-970 |
| 00:34.20 | Mirrormn | I don't think that would work for my setup at all |
| 00:35.10 | cloudwolf | D: i want a new computer... |
| 00:37.31 | Ressy | get a 5800 series card and you'll have no need for splittres etc |
| 00:38.02 | Mirrormn | I was considering that, actually, but from what I've read, Eyefinity requires all your monitors to be the same resolution |
| 00:38.30 | Ressy | diff size monitors? |
| 00:38.43 | Mirrormn | also, 5800 series cards are a pretty bad deal compared to the new gtx 460 |
| 00:38.54 | Ressy | 460 runs hotter |
| 00:39.00 | Mirrormn | yeah I have two 19" and one 23.6" |
| 00:39.17 | Mirrormn | 460 doesn't run hotter than a 5830 or 5850 |
| 00:39.19 | Ressy | 5800 series uses less power apparently |
| 00:39.23 | Mirrormn | maybe hotter than a 5770 |
| 00:39.31 | Mirrormn | you might be thinking of the 465? |
| 00:39.39 | Ressy | maybe |
| 00:39.54 | cloudwolf | mirromn damnit stop talking computer its making me sad lol |
| 00:40.10 | cloudwolf | i don't think i can build a new rig till next summer due to potential for my dad being out of work on medical |
| 00:41.29 | cloudwolf | alright continue on mirromn >.> ill just idle and be quiet now |
| 00:41.48 | Mirrormn | well I just bought a x1300 pci card from ebay and now I'm pretty much done |
| 00:42.06 | Ressy | I wanna build a new machine. I've had mine for 2 yrs now. :( |
| 00:43.20 | cloudwolf | ressy im hitting 3 maybe 4 years... |
| 00:43.32 | cloudwolf | on a computer that was medium low of the line when i bought it |
| 00:43.35 | cloudwolf | no upgrades |
| 00:43.51 | cloudwolf | wheni bought this thing i was buying it to play css |
| 00:43.55 | Mirrormn | I'm sitting pretty with a core i7 860 |
| 00:43.56 | Mirrormn | wheee |
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| 00:44.04 | cloudwolf | went from a 10fps css computer to a 100 fps css computer |
| 00:44.12 | cloudwolf | now css is pathetic for a standard :D |
| 00:44.16 | Ressy | I build my machines. I've had a new one every few yrs for a while now. |
| 00:44.35 | cloudwolf | Ressy were you theone i was talking to about building a computer? or was that some one else lol |
| 00:44.41 | Ressy | yup |
| 00:44.54 | Ressy | nice Mirrormn |
| 00:45.02 | Ressy | I'm running an OC'd Q6600 @ 3.2 |
| 00:45.02 | Mirrormn | I guess I should go clean now |
| 00:45.03 | Mirrormn | blaaah |
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| 00:46.19 | cloudwolf | Want to know the specs on this thing else the important specs? gcard Nvidia 7600gtsx2 not running sli due to running 2 monitors. intel 2 core 2.13ghz, 2gb of ram. |
| 00:46.34 | Ressy | sad panda |
| 00:47.02 | MoonWitch | don't talk about pandas please, \the word makes me sick atm |
| 00:47.04 | Ressy | I live in Canada, eh? And it cost me twice what it should have to build my machine 2 yrs ago. :( |
| 00:47.57 | cloudwolf | Ressy i purchased this computer |
| 00:48.04 | cloudwolf | guess the cost ~3 years ago |
| 00:48.14 | Ressy | prebuilt? From Bestbuy? |
| 00:48.18 | Ressy | you overpaid prolly |
| 00:48.57 | A-KO | I don't think I'll build another pc for at least another year or two |
| 00:49.02 | A-KO | I should probably start saving for that |
| 00:49.44 | cloudwolf | Ressy not pre built. |
| 00:49.48 | cloudwolf | But im damn sure over paid :D |
| 00:50.19 | A-KO | yall should play league of legends |
| 00:50.21 | A-KO | it is the awesome |
| 00:50.32 | cloudwolf | around 2k :P fear the over priced hunk of shit (part of that was extended warrenty because parents wanted tomake sure the computer woudl work) |
| 00:50.34 | Ressy | gotta watch those internet deals. |
| 00:50.39 | Ressy | omg |
| 00:50.45 | cloudwolf | wasn't internet deal ressy lol |
| 00:50.53 | Ressy | ya |
| 00:50.58 | cloudwolf | wasn't online |
| 00:51.14 | cloudwolf | was custom built. theres also needless stuff in here making the price higher |
| 00:51.31 | Ressy | tv tuner.. killer nic |
| 00:52.08 | Ressy | killer nics are the worst waste of money ever. :\ |
| 00:52.17 | A-KO | haha |
| 00:52.18 | A-KO | yeah it is |
| 00:52.44 | cloudwolf | But my dad figures besides the arguments my mom put out there my dad thinks shes mostly concerned about my dad potentially being out of work due to medical. he has been having chronic head aches and has an abses on the back of his head that the doctors want to look at. It hasn't grown but still. |
| 00:52.51 | Ressy | every time I see a website vgiving one away, I'm tempted to ask "And will you give us the cash cost of the Killer NIC if we win cuz its ass? |
| 00:54.32 | cloudwolf | also A-KO i never liked dota when it was on wc3 hon was ok but im not paying for it and LoL just im not even sure i want to download it |
| 00:56.18 | cloudwolf | Kaelten any updates on the blizzard broken battle.net? |
| 00:57.06 | A-KO | cloudwolf: it's free to play :P |
| 00:57.16 | A-KO | can't beat that! lol |
| 00:57.18 | cloudwolf | I know a-ko |
| 00:57.21 | A-KO | but yeah, if you don't like the genre |
| 00:57.23 | cloudwolf | but it also ahs micro transaction |
| 00:57.24 | A-KO | then guess not :P |
| 00:57.24 | Mirrormn | it's free with optional paid bonuses |
| 00:57.32 | A-KO | I think their business model is awesome |
| 00:57.34 | cloudwolf | i can pay monehs and get bette faster |
| 00:57.40 | A-KO | nah |
| 00:57.44 | A-KO | you can't do that in LoL |
| 00:57.55 | A-KO | you don't get a battle advantage to having $ |
| 00:57.57 | cloudwolf | You can get your upgrades sooner |
| 00:58.01 | cloudwolf | everyoen cna get everything |
| 00:58.31 | A-KO | you get summoner upgrades, but not character upgrades |
| 00:58.36 | A-KO | nothing you can buy can help your characters in the matches |
| 00:59.34 | cloudwolf | meh what ever not a fan of Dota and hon had the graphics i would play the game for lol just seems too meh... |
| 01:03.16 | cloudwolf | i love how keep me logged in on batlte net doesn't work |
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| 01:13.34 | MoonWitch | has PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED changed with the latest patch? (with the addition of away) |
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| 01:15.04 | MoonWitch | I'll ask again, since Cog is in here now :P |
| 01:15.21 | MoonWitch | PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED - has it changed since the latest patch? I can't find if it has... |
| 01:15.51 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 01:16.37 | MoonWitch | wb |
| 01:16.47 | cogwheel | grumbles at electricity |
| 01:22.19 | cloudwolf | dont get to angry with that electricity with out it you cant use the computer :D |
| 01:23.33 | jimmybaker | is there a good alternative to icehud? |
| 01:24.46 | MoonWitch | any other hud? |
| 01:24.57 | MoonWitch | (sorry don't use huds, but i know there are a few) |
| 01:25.41 | MoonWitch | haste ping |
| 01:26.35 | cloudwolf | woudln't anything that gives you information on the screen be a hud? |
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| 01:33.49 | Mirrormn | a "hud" is generally designed to be centered on your character and generally thin and/or see-through frames |
| 01:33.59 | Mirrormn | so as not to obscure your vision |
| 01:37.40 | cloudwolf | but still the acroynm HUD is heads up display |
| 01:37.48 | cloudwolf | so anything displaying information is a hud :D |
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| 01:49.25 | Mikk | i'm really liking how icehud is adding smartness now |
| 01:49.30 | Mikk | out of the box |
| 01:49.42 | Mikk | like smart CC bars, smart spellreflect/dmgreduction bars .. |
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| 02:08.48 | bleeter | Anyone tried http://unrevoked.com/ << one click rooting for HTC ANdroid devices |
| 02:12.59 | Cide | nice |
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| 02:16.30 | Cide | ~seen Shirik |
| 02:16.32 | purl | shirik is currently on #norganna #wowuidev #wowace, last said: 'cogwheel: Agree, but just saying'. |
| 02:16.39 | Cide | WELL THAT'S USELESS |
| 02:17.26 | Kraps | ohai |
| 02:18.03 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 02:18.05 | Kraps | Cide: wheres the thing that says how long hes been idle? |
| 02:18.10 | cloudwolf | Any one got a screeny of the seahorse mount i want to see it lol |
| 02:18.49 | cloudwolf | lol ok wow |
| 02:18.53 | cloudwolf | that things WAY too bouncy |
| 02:18.57 | cloudwolf | roflmfao |
| 02:19.01 | Cide | Kraps, that's what I want to know too |
| 02:20.07 | cloudwolf | lol this guy just attacked the whaleshark in this video |
| 02:20.18 | MoonWitch | bouncy? |
| 02:21.19 | cloudwolf | moonwitch have you seen the seahorse? |
| 02:21.23 | MoonWitch | no |
| 02:21.25 | cloudwolf | its animation is at like 300x normal speed |
| 02:21.32 | MoonWitch | I thought it was an interesting bouncy |
| 02:21.39 | MoonWitch | seahorses aren't tickling my fancy |
| 02:21.40 | cloudwolf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl280nnj__Y |
| 02:21.48 | bleeter | tekkub: you're with github aren't you? I hear they've just passed 1,000,000 repositories. grats. |
| 02:22.43 | MoonWitch | afk to watch porn |
| 02:23.26 | cloudwolf | ... |
| 02:23.32 | cloudwolf | *cough* didn't need to hear that |
| 02:23.54 | MoonWitch | of all the people in the chan, you're the ONLY one to respond? |
| 02:23.56 | cloudwolf | also moonwitch i found out that theres a website called sadpanda.us for image uploading run by some other site |
| 02:23.58 | cloudwolf | and well |
| 02:24.02 | cloudwolf | when i went to said other site |
| 02:24.06 | MoonWitch | gah, I am trying to drag the convo to the gutter |
| 02:24.07 | cloudwolf | 90% of hte image on it were H |
| 02:24.15 | Thunder_Child | MoonWitch: it's already there |
| 02:24.22 | MoonWitch | great! |
| 02:24.27 | A-KO | porn |
| 02:24.31 | A-KO | that sounds like a good idea right about now |
| 02:24.34 | A-KO | release some stress |
| 02:24.35 | MoonWitch | I'm actually watching stargate, contemplating what to eat |
| 02:24.37 | Thunder_Child | it's like painting a blue dot in the sky, blends right in |
| 02:25.08 | A-KO | my cat wants on my lap |
| 02:25.09 | A-KO | I won't let her |
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| 02:25.15 | A-KO | it hurts my legs to have to sit there and stabilize her... |
| 02:25.23 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 02:25.33 | A-KO | she keeps trying from like 2 sides of my desk, lol |
| 02:25.36 | MoonWitch | my mind went a whole extra 100 yds |
| 02:25.40 | Thunder_Child | and it makes it more difficult to work with the porn |
| 02:25.41 | Kraps | i heard a theory that they might announce the new mmo at blizzcon since theres no really big news |
| 02:25.53 | MoonWitch | yes Thunder_Child -- that was what I was thinking |
| 02:25.54 | A-KO | Kraps: I'd give that a 50/50 chance |
| 02:25.57 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: rest of the D3 cahrs? |
| 02:26.04 | Thunder_Child | chars* |
| 02:26.11 | MoonWitch | ok lemme grab some foods |
| 02:26.12 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: isnt there only 1 more? |
| 02:26.21 | Thunder_Child | i thought there was going to be 5 |
| 02:26.33 | Kraps | no clue tbh |
| 02:26.38 | Thunder_Child | same |
| 02:26.52 | Thunder_Child | ok, so at least one D3 char will be |
| 02:27.17 | Kraps | but thats not "big" |
| 02:27.31 | Kraps | it takes 1 panel |
| 02:27.43 | Thunder_Child | maybe they just wont have any. iirc they only had blizzcon for a big announcement, but then they just started doing it every year |
| 02:28.26 | Kraps | i'm wondering if i should get the stream |
| 02:28.45 | cloudwolf | you should get the stream and then ustream teh stream |
| 02:28.52 | Kraps | maybe i'll wait until they release the schedule |
| 02:28.52 | cloudwolf | or livestream the stream |
| 02:28.54 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 02:30.52 | Antiarc | Cide: pong |
| 02:30.54 | Antiarc | What's up? |
| 02:31.18 | Cide | figured it out |
| 02:31.21 | MoonWitch | oh wow chocolate soy pudding |
| 02:31.22 | Cide | had some issues with FlexAuth |
| 02:31.23 | Antiarc | kk :) |
| 02:31.25 | Cide | but working great now :) |
| 02:31.32 | Antiarc | Design issue? Maybe I can smooth it out. |
| 02:32.05 | Kraps | what do you guys think about http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26262926741/forums-requiring-authenticator-code/ |
| 02:32.47 | Antiarc | I think I could write a Firefox addon to prefill authenticator codes >_> |
| 02:33.15 | Ressy | anyone noticed anything a bit.. odd.. when casting? It looks like I can queue casts if I'm casting another one right now. |
| 02:33.19 | cloudwolf | kraps i dont use the forum to care |
| 02:34.42 | Cide | Antiarc, well for one I found it unclear if you only need one authenticator for EU and US on a single bnet account |
| 02:34.45 | Cide | (turns out yes, you only need one) |
| 02:35.34 | Cide | my UI issue there was that I had two accounts on the code generation screen that looked identical, because they both only listed my email (and not region) |
| 02:35.47 | Cide | but it turns out you only need one so maybe that's a non-issue after all |
| 02:36.25 | Cide | second of all it wasn't clear that the serial number includes "EU" or "US" but that's more an issue on blizzard's part |
| 02:37.04 | Cide | but it doesn't help that your code has two dashes in them, making it 14 characters without the "EU" or "US" (blizz asks for the 14 character serial number) |
| 02:37.14 | Cide | so I did 1234-1234-1234 instead of EU123412341234 |
| 02:37.30 | Cide | but now it's sorted out |
| 02:38.03 | Antiarc | Yeah, that's the number as it coems from Blizzard, verbatim |
| 02:38.07 | Antiarc | No formatting on my end |
| 02:38.13 | Antiarc | You can use EU or US tokens, it doesn't really matter |
| 02:38.28 | Antiarc | I just included the option because EU users would freak at getting US codes and visa versa |
| 02:38.33 | Antiarc | But the auth servers share the same DB apparently |
| 02:38.39 | Cide | noted |
| 02:38.46 | Cide | thanks for the app btw |
| 02:38.49 | Cide | should get a sexier icon tho |
| 02:38.52 | Antiarc | My pleasure, I'm glad folks like it |
| 02:39.00 | Antiarc | Dammit Jim, I'm a programmer, not an artist! |
| 02:39.12 | Cide | so am I and I churn out beautiful artwork! |
| 02:39.12 | Antiarc | (I just found a creative commons lock icon somewhere) |
| 02:39.18 | Kraps | "A lot of adults in Europe don't have a credit card... Everyone having one is an American thing." |
| 02:39.19 | Antiarc | Well I should suck less then |
| 02:39.27 | Kraps | t/f |
| 02:45.00 | Kraps | ""Touched by the Light" - sounds to me like an incoming lawsuit for the Church of Stormwind" |
| 02:46.06 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 02:46.29 | cloudwolf | "The clergymans touch"? |
| 02:50.19 | Gnarfoz | <Kraps> t/f <-- hm? |
| 02:50.28 | Kraps | true/false |
| 02:50.38 | Gnarfoz | ah, c/d (confirm/deny) ;D |
| 02:50.41 | Gnarfoz | and: true |
| 02:50.53 | Kraps | huh |
| 02:51.03 | Kraps | ponders |
| 02:51.04 | Gnarfoz | this whole credit lifestyle is totally an american thing |
| 02:51.55 | Dashkal | Spend what you do not have. It is the american way! |
| 02:53.11 | Kraps | i've only been late once in the 5 years i have credit cards |
| 02:53.45 | Ressy | bah. Stupid power flickering. I have power, neighbours across the street have none. Yay me? |
| 02:53.46 | Kraps | granted i dont have a lot of living expenses |
| 02:54.22 | Gnarfoz | power outages, also an american thing ;> |
| 02:54.56 | Ressy | < Canadian |
| 02:55.04 | Ressy | eh? |
| 02:55.19 | Arrowmaster | is playing halo3 in your underwear an american thing? |
| 02:55.20 | Cide | ... |
| 02:55.31 | Cide | why does my program require python2.5 |
| 02:55.34 | Dashkal | Thank you for that wonderful mental image |
| 02:55.36 | Kraps | Ressy: blackout of '03... |
| 02:55.37 | Gnarfoz | Ressy: america is a conteninent, and you're on it! :D |
| 02:55.51 | Gnarfoz | or that other thing, with less spelling errors |
| 02:56.11 | Ressy | Yeah. That was a messed up weekend Kraps. I think my parents were drunk all weekend |
| 02:56.27 | Gnarfoz | so, watch random Stargate episodes or do something useful? |
| 02:56.28 | Gnarfoz | ponders |
| 02:56.32 | Kraps | you had it all weekend? |
| 02:56.39 | Ressy | *nod* |
| 02:56.45 | Kraps | damn |
| 02:56.48 | Ressy | Thursday to Sunday I think? |
| 02:57.04 | Arrowmaster | I had the entire week after Ike without power |
| 02:57.09 | Ressy | They tried bringing our power back up, but it keep coming back down. Was something in Quebec. |
| 02:57.10 | Kraps | nyc had it till friday 4am-ish |
| 02:58.02 | Ressy | "Blame Canada" |
| 02:58.05 | Ressy | oh wait. nm. We fucked up |
| 02:58.14 | Kraps | heh |
| 02:59.59 | Ressy | It was actually interesting, because regular people were getting out of their cars, and directing traffic |
| 03:00.13 | Ressy | Was so quiet |
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| 03:03.27 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 03:03.30 | cloudwolf | sounds dangerous |
| 03:03.35 | cloudwolf | ok yeah you turn NO I MEANT YOU SHIT |
| 03:05.41 | Ackis | is there a beta horde pvp guild? |
| 03:07.07 | Ressy | Canada's a lil more.. polite than the US. |
| 03:07.28 | Ackis | Ressy: a lot more, unless you live in Toronto |
| 03:07.36 | Ressy | I do. ;) |
| 03:08.04 | cloudwolf | Ressy i wouldn't mind living in california |
| 03:08.06 | cloudwolf | err |
| 03:08.07 | cloudwolf | canada |
| 03:08.10 | cloudwolf | ok my brains on turn off mode |
| 03:08.12 | cloudwolf | sorry |
| 03:08.17 | cloudwolf | *facedesk* |
| 03:08.23 | Ackis | my dealings with people across the country, I hated talking to people from GTA area and Vancouver... newphies were the best (even better when they were drunk which is most of the time) |
| 03:09.01 | Ressy | LOL |
| 03:09.07 | Ressy | yeah.. newphies are amazing :) |
| 03:09.07 | Thunder_Child | "<cloudwolf> ok my brains on turn off mode" W T F |
| 03:09.24 | cloudwolf | I'm kind of a vegetable right now |
| 03:09.29 | cloudwolf | Not exactly thinking |
| 03:10.18 | Ackis | wait I'm not horde, I'm alliance derp |
| 03:11.00 | cloudwolf | lol ackis |
| 03:11.20 | cloudwolf | i think thats around the level of confusing california and canada |
| 03:11.21 | Ackis | I did a faction transfer about 2 months before I stopped playing :P |
| 03:11.36 | cloudwolf | ok or not :D |
| 03:12.46 | cloudwolf | hmmdedum still waiting on blizzard to fix the 25 length cd key problems |
| 03:13.29 | Ackis | is it normal to log out on a mount then to log back in not on one? |
| 03:13.37 | Ressy | in beta, yes |
| 03:13.37 | cloudwolf | no |
| 03:13.43 | Ressy | tis bugged |
| 03:13.44 | cloudwolf | on live no :D |
| 03:13.47 | Ackis | k |
| 03:13.51 | Ackis | I don't have a live account :P |
| 03:13.54 | cloudwolf | i would hurt blizzard if it was onl ive |
| 03:14.06 | cloudwolf | because i logoff on a flying mount on occasion |
| 03:14.54 | Ackis | what's the most complete beta class right now? talent wise, etc? |
| 03:15.57 | cloudwolf | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/Apollyon216/charselect.jpg |
| 03:16.00 | cloudwolf | O.o speculate? |
| 03:16.14 | cloudwolf | some one says "extra character slots per realm" |
| 03:16.26 | cloudwolf | nvm |
| 03:16.35 | cloudwolf | *should read the rest of a forum post before linking :D* |
| 03:16.38 | Ackis | wants to roll a worgen and do it doggy style with a new class |
| 03:16.45 | cloudwolf | >.> |
| 03:17.04 | cloudwolf | i think a lot ofpeole are hunter or rogue as a worgen |
| 03:17.18 | cloudwolf | i know when live hits ima be doing worgen priest(healing) engineer :D |
| 03:17.33 | Ackis | I'm just curious as to which class has their talents done, etc |
| 03:17.40 | Morkesh | would seem like it cloudwolf |
| 03:18.04 | Morkesh | they did ask people not long ago if they'd be interested in optional extra spots though, didn't they? |
| 03:18.05 | cloudwolf | Ackis done is an impossibility in beta lol |
| 03:18.17 | cloudwolf | Dunno but i would love extra slots |
| 03:18.30 | Ackis | sighs |
| 03:18.41 | cloudwolf | if were capped to a total of like 50 characters globally |
| 03:18.44 | cloudwolf | why limit server side |
| 03:18.44 | Morkesh | cloudwolf: i'm fairly certain i remember something about them posting on facebook i think it was, asking about opinions |
| 03:19.03 | Morkesh | but it would most likely be a feature where you pay from what i understood |
| 03:19.19 | cloudwolf | sounds annoying |
| 03:19.27 | cloudwolf | if i could pay to get more than 50 characters total maybe |
| 03:19.34 | cloudwolf | but i wouldn't pay for more slots on a server |
| 03:19.45 | Morkesh | i would |
| 03:19.52 | Morkesh | the 50 max cap is no problem whatsoever |
| 03:19.57 | Morkesh | the realm cap is, however |
| 03:20.23 | cloudwolf | afk for the night |
| 03:20.25 | cloudwolf | movie |
| 03:20.28 | Morkesh | enjoy :) |
| 03:20.33 | Morkesh | should go to bed aswell, it's 5:20 |
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| 03:43.13 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.26 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.16 | Thunder_Child | yes, NOW |
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| 03:46.36 | Nobgul | Kraps, what part are you confused with ? |
| 03:47.08 | Kraps | everything |
| 03:47.15 | Thunder_Child | because no one needs to follow the rules on it anymore |
| 03:47.28 | Kraps | thats true tc |
| 03:47.39 | Nobgul | Thunder_Child, I agree. Most people have no clue what toc is let alone how to do the fights. |
| 03:47.52 | Torhal | stabs Ackis repeatedly with a Scroll of Resurrection. |
| 03:47.58 | Nobgul | lol |
| 03:49.36 | Thunder_Child | WB Cairenn |
| 03:49.42 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 03:49.53 | Nobgul | Sup Cairenn |
| 03:50.05 | Cairenn | not much, you? |
| 03:50.27 | Nobgul | Nadda watching my beta sit at 10% patch for the last hour. |
| 03:50.38 | Antiarc | Another patch today? |
| 03:50.47 | Nobgul | Naw this is the one from the other day. |
| 03:50.51 | Antiarc | ah |
| 03:50.53 | Nobgul | I can't seem to get it down =/ |
| 03:51.27 | Thunder_Child | thats what she said |
| 03:51.31 | Nobgul | lol |
| 03:52.16 | Nobgul | 12539 is the last patch i got. But i know there is another one from a day or 2 ago |
| 03:54.14 | Ressy | 10% Thats usually a firewall issue. |
| 03:54.19 | Ressy | or AV blocking the dl |
| 03:54.32 | Nobgul | running on linux no forewall and no av. |
| 03:54.36 | Nobgul | fire* |
| 03:54.40 | Ressy | no seeders maybe? |
| 03:54.51 | Ressy | You have p2p on or off? |
| 03:54.58 | Nobgul | tried with both |
| 03:55.16 | Nobgul | Canceled it and reopened and now it sites at 0% |
| 03:55.51 | Ressy | Try deleting the "WoW-4.0.0.12539-to-4.0.0.12604-enUS-downloader" downloader, and trying again. |
| 03:56.00 | Nobgul | thats the one i dont have |
| 03:56.19 | Nobgul | WoW-4.0.0.12539-enUS-downloader |
| 03:56.23 | Nobgul | is the latest one i got |
| 03:56.44 | Ressy | have you tried logging in to force the download? |
| 03:57.01 | Nobgul | Yea. i even ran wow in a windows vmware machine |
| 03:57.18 | Nobgul | to make sure it wasn't anything with linux, although it hasn't been for years. |
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| 03:57.41 | kacz | anyone here? |
| 03:57.45 | Nobgul | Yes |
| 03:58.05 | kacz | any USA players want a free month? i need a scroll of resurection |
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| 03:58.33 | Kraps | i do |
| 03:58.37 | Nobgul | Ressy You reckon you could upload the downloader for me? I could open a guest fpt on my server or w/e |
| 03:58.47 | Nobgul | I don't think its that big is it? |
| 03:58.53 | kacz | wanna send the scroll of resurrection to jaysonkacz@gmail.com ? |
| 03:59.01 | kacz | im bout to sign up but figured id give someone a free month |
| 03:59.08 | Kraps | k |
| 03:59.27 | kacz | alright cool. thanks kraps |
| 04:02.46 | Ressy | Sure nobgul |
| 04:02.50 | Ressy | naw, the uploader's tiny |
| 04:03.01 | Nobgul | Thank you i found a few online but i don't trust them |
| 04:03.11 | Ressy | np. where should I drop this for ya? |
| 04:03.15 | Nobgul | 1 sec |
| 04:04.17 | Nobgul | Ressy, PM |
| 04:04.43 | Nobgul | If you dont have a ftp program i can work out alternative means. Also i appriciate it. |
| 04:11.13 | Nobgul | Ok i give up i will just wait for another few content patches and will reinstall it. |
| 04:11.34 | Nobgul | thank you Ressy |
| 04:13.15 | Ressy | still didn't work? |
| 04:13.21 | Nobgul | Naw |
| 04:13.40 | Nobgul | Even restartted the pc as well as tried it in vmware again =/ |
| 04:14.01 | Ressy | No Antivirus? |
| 04:14.07 | Nobgul | Not on linux naw |
| 04:14.23 | Nobgul | And windows no its just a barebone install with only the beta |
| 04:14.29 | Nobgul | and reg wow |
| 04:16.46 | Kraps | kacz: you get it? |
| 04:16.55 | Nobgul | He left. |
| 04:17.12 | Kraps | derp |
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| 04:35.25 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/article_18571_5-reasons-its-still-not-cool-to-admit-youre-gamer.html |
| 04:35.39 | Kraps | reason 1 makes me sad |
| 04:37.03 | Corrodias | but i -am- a lonely, antisocial virgin |
| 04:38.44 | Iriel | Handy to know for when we need to sacrifice an antisocial virgin to the demon of gaming angst |
| 04:42.52 | frontendloader | Kraps: After all, remember the hype about Spore and how it was going to change the world? That would be the game that was pirated 1.7 million times in its first three months. |
| 04:42.52 | frontendloader | Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_18571_5-reasons-its-still-not-cool-to-admit-youre-gamer_p2.html#ixzz0ufM5BVjt |
| 04:42.55 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck is this shit, cant login to gametrailers account anymore |
| 04:43.04 | frontendloader | oh fuck off clickjaking piece of shit cracked |
| 04:43.36 | Kraps | umad? |
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| 04:44.03 | Yssaril | at 80 where do i start leveling (horde side) ? |
| 04:44.20 | frontendloader | anyway |
| 04:44.23 | frontendloader | the reason spore got pirated |
| 04:44.28 | Ressy | Vash'jir or Hyjal |
| 04:44.37 | frontendloader | was because of the $80 price point, and the game was a piece of hud too |
| 04:44.48 | Arrowmaster | game sucked and had shitty DRM |
| 04:45.08 | Arrowmaster | plus it was out on p2p a week before the release so we all said haha EA and downloaded it |
| 04:45.21 | frontendloader | wil wright right? |
| 04:45.23 | Yssaril | ressy is there a port to get there a port to get there? |
| 04:45.56 | frontendloader | there hasn't been a game producer with a bigger entitlement complex since John Romero |
| 04:46.21 | Ressy | I do believe they have intros quests. |
| 04:46.23 | frontendloader | definitely got daikatana vibes while playing my illegitimate copy of spore |
| 04:46.40 | Ressy | I've only done it on alliance however, so I'm unsure where they start for horde. :\ |
| 04:47.35 | Yssaril | Ressy: k thanks :) |
| 04:47.44 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: the point the article is making in reason #1 is that PC gamers shouldnt be shocked that studios arent working so hard on PC games is the entitled idiots that ruin it for everyone else |
| 04:48.01 | Arrowmaster | im still reading the article, only on #3 |
| 04:48.13 | Ressy | Try the main cities. I know Vashjir starts in SW, and Hyjal starts in Darn for Alliance. |
| 04:48.59 | Yssaril | k |
| 04:52.13 | Dagmar | Kraps: MNost of that article is entitled twat nonsense |
| 04:52.41 | Corrodias | explain. |
| 04:53.00 | Dagmar | "We help ourselves to free game after free game, and then scream bloody murder when Ubisoft goes overboard with anti-piracy measures. |
| 04:53.01 | Dagmar | Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_18571_5-reasons-its-still-not-cool-to-admit-youre-gamer_p2.html#ixzz0ufOnQG1Q |
| 04:53.16 | Corrodias | sounds about right, so? |
| 04:53.20 | Dagmar | That's some interesting javascript copy buffer shit they have |
| 04:53.52 | Dagmar | Corrodias: No, it's in fact an invalid argument. Whether or not someone's pirated anything doesn't invalidate their claim against Ubisoft when they go overboard. |
| 04:54.15 | Corrodias | maybe they didn't go overboard. |
| 04:54.42 | Arrowmaster | i can copy from the site fine |
| 04:54.51 | Arrowmaster | oh wait, ive got it all blocked in noscript |
| 04:54.58 | Dagmar | While the average age of video game players is _supposdly_ 35 (which is probably as honest as a hasty scrolldown on the verification page will give) most of the 35-year-olds I know (myself included) can just buy shit faster than we can bother pirating it |
| 04:54.59 | Corrodias | believe me, i have no intention of buying a game that requires being online all the time that isn't a multiplayer game. but from the extent of the problem, it sounds pretty justified. |
| 04:55.16 | Dagmar | ...and Ubisoft did very much go overboard. |
| 04:55.39 | Dagmar | Their mechanism could be summed up as "We'll let you play it, as long as we can watch every move you make" |
| 04:55.45 | Corrodias | well, have you got a better idea? |
| 04:55.47 | Dagmar | ...which is just freaking creepy. |
| 04:56.13 | Kraps | creepy? |
| 04:56.19 | Dagmar | Yeah, I've got an idea. They could start by dropping their price point on releases down a notch and just _seeing_ if it increases sales a bit |
| 04:56.25 | Kraps | they arent watching you urinate |
| 04:56.26 | Corrodias | for my part, i'm not sure that reducing piracy necessarily equates to added sales. but there isn't enough data on the subject to support either side. |
| 04:56.28 | Arrowmaster | i think value should issue more sales data from all the sales theyve been having, i know they had that first sale with L4D where they said the profit from that week alone was more than they had from when the game came out |
| 04:56.41 | Arrowmaster | but i havent seen anything else |
| 04:56.49 | Corrodias | so if it works for them, i guess all i can say is "good" |
| 04:57.16 | Corrodias | i can't really get upset about a company trying to make money by making people pay for their product in the only way they can |
| 04:57.19 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: $60 for a game is retarded |
| 04:57.39 | Dagmar | I'm not happy about throwing $60 out _repeatedly_ on games, but it's a bit much for a teenager or college student to afford |
| 04:57.39 | Corrodias | it is not; inflation pushes prices up all the time |
| 04:57.44 | Arrowmaster | Aksys seems to be doing that http://www.amazon.com/BlazBlue-Continuum-Shift-Xbox-360/dp/B003E6VK7Y |
| 04:57.47 | Corrodias | i remember $50 games a scant few years ago |
| 04:57.48 | Dagmar | They've got a lot more reason to pirate than I do |
| 04:57.58 | Arrowmaster | $39.99 for a brand new release |
| 04:57.59 | Iriel | Why is $60 for a game retarded? |
| 04:58.04 | Iriel | I just spent $11 to see a 2 hour movie |
| 04:58.12 | Dagmar | corrodias: So that's what's called "your market is broken" when you can't make a profit because your costs are too high |
| 04:58.16 | Corrodias | 3 years of 3% inflation increases that to $55 |
| 04:58.38 | Corrodias | we've been paying this much for games forever. why is it suddenly a problem now? |
| 04:58.42 | Iriel | It may certainly be more than we enjoy spending, but it's far from "retarded" |
| 04:58.44 | Dagmar | No we've not |
| 04:58.56 | Corrodias | maybe not. let me check. |
| 04:58.58 | Arrowmaster | they jumped upto $59.99 with the current console generation |
| 04:59.07 | Arrowmaster | prior to that they were cheaper |
| 04:59.15 | Dagmar | Five years ago they were definitely not sixty bucks a pop unless the game was just over-the-top loaded up with stuff |
| 04:59.24 | Corrodias | you mean $50 |
| 04:59.29 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: were too for console games |
| 04:59.35 | Corrodias | and i'm pretty sure they were |
| 04:59.53 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I'm waiting for those go go up another notch actualy |
| 04:59.58 | Dagmar | ...as some of them are already doing. |
| 05:00.22 | Arrowmaster | well like i pointed out some are going cheaper |
| 05:00.24 | Corrodias | GoldenEye 007. N64 game. released 1997. MSRP: $47.99 |
| 05:00.48 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yeah I get the feeling Valve are making sickening piles of money with their sales |
| 05:01.20 | Dagmar | Corrodias: So, not sixty bucks |
| 05:01.20 | Iriel | Dagmar: I'm sure i'm not the only person who's buying games I already own in a different format because steam is so damn convenient |
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| 05:01.39 | Iriel | I think Corrodias assumes you'll correct for inflation |
| 05:01.43 | Dagmar | Iriel: Yeah I'm having a hard time justifying not buying Fallout 3 GOTY edition just because I'm missing one DLC |
| 05:01.44 | Corrodias | yeah. |
| 05:02.06 | Corrodias | is calculating |
| 05:02.18 | Dagmar | So, in this economy, how are teenagers and college students gonna afford even $60 |
| 05:02.32 | Corrodias | college is fucking expensive |
| 05:02.37 | Dagmar | That luxury expenditures are going down shoul dbe no shocks |
| 05:02.47 | Corrodias | nobody in college can complain that they can't afford a game or two. and that's just for NEW RELEASES, remember. |
| 05:02.53 | Corrodias | i buy 3 games for that price during a sale. |
| 05:03.17 | Dagmar | Way to ignore the teenagers and people who aren't in college |
| 05:03.28 | Iriel | Well, the question is, who is pirating the games |
| 05:03.32 | Dagmar | it's been too long since you've been working for the crap money |
| 05:03.43 | Iriel | If you couldn't afford it in the first place, you're probably less of a loss if you pirate it |
| 05:03.46 | Dagmar | Iriel: I get the feeling part of the answer to that is |
| 05:03.51 | Dagmar | "made up people who don't exist" |
| 05:03.55 | Iriel | I know i copied games when I was young and had no income |
| 05:04.01 | Dagmar | The BSA has a long history of questionable numbers |
| 05:04.03 | Iriel | However now I can afford them, I do. |
| 05:04.04 | Corrodias | goldeneye 007 for the n64 cost the equivalent of $65 when it came out |
| 05:04.27 | Iriel | The only times I've pirated a game lately was when I bought it but had to play a pirated version to avoid crippling DRM |
| 05:04.32 | Corrodias | maybe goldeneye was an unusually expensive game, though? |
| 05:04.57 | Corrodias | what's a game i should look up? |
| 05:05.07 | Iriel | Steel Battalion? 8-) |
| 05:05.12 | Iriel | (I likely misspelled that) |
| 05:05.30 | Corrodias | lol, i think i know what you mean, and that might SKEW the data a little |
| 05:05.33 | Iriel | That's a semi-joke, by the way.. Though i'll note its the reason I bought an XBox 8-) |
| 05:06.04 | Corrodias | okay, star fox 64 cost only 40 USD or so for today's money |
| 05:06.18 | Iriel | What's the trade-in value of a $60 console game anyway? |
| 05:06.28 | Arrowmaster | crap |
| 05:06.28 | Iriel | if you're s starving student or teenager chances are you sell it afterwards |
| 05:06.30 | Corrodias | dunno; i've never traded in a game |
| 05:06.31 | Dagmar | Iriel: I'm grabbing cracks about half hte time to eliminate DRM on the stuff I've bought |
| 05:06.32 | Arrowmaster | like $10 |
| 05:06.41 | Corrodias | i buy used games from people for a hell of a lot more. never trade in. sell on ebay. |
| 05:06.43 | Antiarc | I just only buy games on Steam now |
| 05:06.50 | Antiarc | DRM is never an issue, really. |
| 05:07.04 | Dagmar | Sell on Craigslist |
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| 05:07.24 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: whats a major ps2 release game? look one of those up for msrp |
| 05:07.39 | Corrodias | holy shit, Chrono Trigger was expensive |
| 05:07.47 | Corrodias | MSRP $77 in 1995 |
| 05:07.55 | Corrodias | according to IGN |
| 05:08.38 | Torhal | Antiarc: Yah, I'm about to buy Oblivion again, this time on Steam, because the friggin' DRM doesn't allow me to install under Linux. |
| 05:08.54 | Corrodias | Metal Gear Solid comes in at about $40 today, Solid 2 was even cheaper |
| 05:09.40 | Cide | Corrodias, CT was worth the money though |
| 05:09.47 | Corrodias | Shadow of the Colossus about $20-25, says ign |
| 05:10.09 | Corrodias | these definitely don't support the point about games being just as expensive in the past |
| 05:11.52 | Corrodias | it says that even Halo debuted at $20 in 2001, which would still be under $27 today |
| 05:11.59 | Iriel | That's BS |
| 05:12.10 | Corrodias | maybe their data is flawed |
| 05:12.16 | Corrodias | maybe this is, like, CURRENT msrp or something |
| 05:13.39 | Iriel | Halo was $49.99 at launch and remained so until late 2003 |
| 05:13.39 | Arrowmaster | maybe since you can get halo 1 on games on demand for $19.99 |
| 05:13.54 | Iriel | Wikipedia FTW |
| 05:14.05 | Corrodias | i can't find price info on most of these games on wikipedia |
| 05:14.30 | Corrodias | productwiki says $40 for SotC, which sounds about right |
| 05:14.49 | Corrodias | but doesn't have any info for halo, fuck this |
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| 05:17.50 | Corrodias | according to these numbers on inflation, $50 in 2001 would be about $62.50 today |
| 05:17.55 | Corrodias | http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/ |
| 05:18.07 | Corrodias | going off "annual" |
| 05:24.15 | Dagmar | Anyway, Valve and Blizzard are the only two companies I'm really interested in giving money to anymore |
| 05:24.25 | Dagmar | Blizzard gives great value. |
| 05:24.32 | Dagmar | Valve gives great value-add with Steam. |
| 05:24.34 | Corrodias | Valve gives great hear. |
| 05:24.35 | Corrodias | *head |
| 05:24.39 | Corrodias | oh i fucked up my own joke |
| 05:25.05 | Dagmar | Fuck being overcharged. Fuck putting up with onerous DRM. Fuck publishers like EA who release broken games, and then continue to sell expansions without fixing the broken parts they know about. |
| 05:25.52 | Corrodias | most of their stuff they're just the publishers on. what besides sports games do they even make these days? |
| 05:25.54 | Corrodias | if that |
| 05:26.01 | Dagmar | ...and double-fuck listning to industry heads declaring all the latter is okay because "everyone pirates". Fuck that three times over, in fact, because everyone does _not_ pirate. I spent a lotta goddamn money on games to be treated like a thief _anyway_ |
| 05:26.19 | Dagmar | They're greedy, and they're not interested in anything beyond a balance sheet. |
| 05:26.28 | Xinhuan | Dagmar, technically, you also need an internet connection to play sc2 |
| 05:26.35 | Dagmar | All this chipping away at the used game market is just avarice gone wild. |
| 05:26.36 | Xinhuan | its not any different |
| 05:26.37 | RJohn | Dagmar:I agree with you in Valve/Blizzard are the only 2 self respecing publishing comapanies left to be honest, But lets not forget that Activision just recently bought Blizzard. |
| 05:26.53 | Corrodias | Xinhuan: i've been waiting for that to come up |
| 05:27.05 | Dagmar | RJohn: And the moment I see that Activisions "morals" have compromized Blizzard, _I'm gone_ |
| 05:27.07 | Xinhuan | that's why blizz is letting anyone download sc2 free |
| 05:27.17 | Xinhuan | because you can't play it without connecting to bnet |
| 05:27.18 | Corrodias | i'm not so sure blizzard is "above" all this shit these days |
| 05:27.18 | Dagmar | Rjohn: I was fairly ready to walk over the RealID forum change |
| 05:27.43 | Corrodias | it's hard to tell since they haven't put out a new game in years, not that i can think of, anyway |
| 05:27.49 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: Why should I care that SC2 needs an internet connection? |
| 05:27.56 | Xinhuan | because its DRM |
| 05:27.58 | Dagmar | I don't have a real problem with network authentication. |
| 05:28.05 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: So what |
| 05:28.06 | RJohn | Dagmar: Agreed, On both counts, The think I'm most scared of is Activision teaching blizzard that "lets push the game outta the door plz" That there so famous for, While blizzard has never done that. |
| 05:28.14 | Corrodias | how is Ubisoft going overboard, then? |
| 05:28.16 | Arrowmaster | ill admit i used to pirate, but now im a special edition/stealbook whore |
| 05:28.18 | Corrodias | that's what they do |
| 05:28.25 | Xinhuan | "[7/25 13:25:00] <Dagmar> Fuck being overcharged. Fuck putting up with onerous DRM. " |
| 05:28.31 | Arrowmaster | steelbook |
| 05:28.32 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: You're not talking to an eight year old here. I have no problems differentiating between Orwellian overbearing DRM and decent DRM. |
| 05:28.43 | Xinhuan | sc2's drm is no different from ubisoft's one |
| 05:28.47 | Xinhuan | requiring internet |
| 05:28.49 | Dagmar | Yes, it is. |
| 05:28.54 | Dagmar | You need to do more research. |
| 05:28.58 | Arrowmaster | its too hot, i cant even remember which is the correct damn spelling |
| 05:29.03 | Dagmar | There's a _large_ difference between the two. |
| 05:29.06 | Corrodias | you need to explain your point if you want us to care, Dagmar. |
| 05:29.08 | Xinhuan | explain then |
| 05:29.15 | Corrodias | how is it different? |
| 05:29.18 | Dagmar | If you're playing story mode in SC2 and your connection drops, nothing happens. |
| 05:29.25 | Dagmar | Beyond that, it ain't my responsibility |
| 05:29.28 | Xinhuan | how do you know that |
| 05:29.32 | Xinhuan | nobody's played it yet |
| 05:29.36 | Dagmar | Because I can read |
| 05:29.39 | Xinhuan | from? |
| 05:29.45 | Corrodias | Xinhuan: that doesn't help, since it can be used in favor of either argument |
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| 05:30.01 | Xinhuan | ubisoft's one kicks you off the game Corrodias |
| 05:30.05 | Xinhuan | the moment you lose internet |
| 05:30.08 | Corrodias | right, okay |
| 05:30.11 | Dagmar | Again, Xinhuan. I'm not an eight-year-old. Save the cul-de-sac logic for the kiddies. |
| 05:30.24 | Xinhuan | i'm not trying to argue |
| 05:30.27 | Xinhuan | 'im trying to state facts |
| 05:30.42 | Corrodias | perhaps, but i am. i love me a little debate. and that is definitely a valid difference. |
| 05:30.44 | Xinhuan | and you're just citing and using big words without backing them |
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| 05:31.06 | Corrodias | i don't think that's as big a difference as Dagmar does, though. having to authenticate every time i play is only a small step down from having to authenticate constantly. |
| 05:31.16 | Xinhuan | trying to insinuate that i'm treating you as an 8-year old, is a direct insult |
| 05:31.44 | Xinhuan | when i've done no such thing |
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| 05:34.05 | Dashkal | I have near zero interest in multiplayer SC2. So tempted to buy it then crack it. |
| 05:35.06 | Corrodias | weird, this site also says Halo's original MSRP was $20. maybe it's talking about a re-release |
| 05:37.55 | Jerub | how many should i need for a achievement run of Temple of Ahn'Qiraj? |
| 05:38.46 | Dashkal | sweet, GC is putting his foot down on the Cata forums |
| 05:39.06 | jimmybaker | If I make a change to a variable from an addon in game, how would I save that so that it persists when I quit the game? |
| 05:40.00 | Dashkal | declare it in your savedvariables clause in your toc |
| 05:40.06 | Jerub | someone made me recruit for it and i have no idea |
| 05:40.33 | Dashkal | I've never seen the inside of aq40. Kinda sad about that |
| 05:41.45 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: You're disputing something that isn't really in dispute by anyone but you, ie., the nature of the SC2 DRM. Yes, it's insulting that you think I'll believe that SC2 will use the same system that thus far ONLY Ubi has rolled out, and that I've seen addressed on blogs already. |
| 05:42.18 | jimmybaker | Dashkal: does that cause it to save (write to file) immediately or does it only save when I quit the game? |
| 05:42.20 | Corrodias | we think the difference is small enough not to really matter |
| 05:42.32 | Dagmar | All DRM is not the same, and expecting me to buy into an argument that requires me believe that is _definitely_ insulting. I used to be a pirate, back in "the day". I absolutely know my way around DRM and it's various forms. |
| 05:42.35 | Dashkal | jimmybaker: Savedvars are saved only on ui reload and logging out |
| 05:42.46 | Dashkal | jimmybaker: There is no way to get data out in realtime |
| 05:43.11 | Shadowed | (legally) |
| 05:43.47 | Dashkal | I was under the impression that warden would notice most any form of reading memory. Not that it could do much with a hypervisor, but *shrugs* |
| 05:44.31 | Jerub | sigh |
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| 05:45.32 | Dashkal | hmm, I wonder if you could rig something with a fraps style screen reader and just leaving your combat log open with everything on. |
| 05:49.33 | Trela | Apparently if UnitClass() can not get a class, it returns the unit name. WTF. |
| 05:50.16 | Dashkal | Shall I name my pet Mage? |
| 05:53.00 | Arrowmaster | Trela: i thought that was old |
| 05:53.03 | Arrowmaster | for npcs atleast |
| 05:53.09 | Trela | Yeah. |
| 05:53.09 | Yssaril | yep |
| 05:53.30 | Yssaril | use UnitClassBase to get the localized class |
| 05:54.18 | Trela | Arrowmaster: Oh hey, while I have you. :D Do know why LibTourist-3.0 seems to only work as an embedded library? |
| 05:54.25 | Trela | Yssaril: Nice! Never knew of the function. |
| 05:54.36 | Arrowmaster | Trela: should work fine standalone |
| 05:54.53 | Yssaril | Trela: l2api :P |
| 05:55.11 | Trela | Yssaril: I need tab completion for APIs! |
| 05:55.17 | Yssaril | but i admit its kinda a screwy one |
| 05:55.32 | Trela | Arrowmaster: Might be a conflict with my setup. Going to have to disable every thing except my add on and try again, then. |
| 05:55.42 | Yssaril | Trela: just look them up here http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api :) |
| 05:55.57 | Trela | I typically use WoWWiki of all places. <.< >.> |
| 05:55.59 | Yssaril | and those two where right next to each other |
| 05:56.38 | Yssaril | my expriance is that wowprogramming is more uptodate but wowwikis data tends to be formated better |
| 05:56.54 | Yssaril | so i use both |
| 05:57.14 | Trela | Yep. UnitClassBase is not listed on WoWWiki and I am too lazy to make an account to add it. |
| 05:57.31 | Arrowmaster | nobody uses wowwiki for api |
| 05:57.41 | Arrowmaster | !api unitclassbase |
| 05:57.41 | lua_bot | UnitClassBase: Returns a unit's class (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitClassBase) |
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| 06:20.36 | Trela | Lua's nil concatenation errors make me angry. |
| 06:20.53 | Yssaril | why? |
| 06:21.36 | Trela | In PHP if you concatenate "This!" to null you get "This!". In Lua get a big error message. |
| 06:21.55 | Trela | 1+0 = 1. Not an error message. |
| 06:22.52 | wereHamster | (foo or "")..(bar or "") |
| 06:23.13 | wereHamster | nil != 0 |
| 06:23.17 | Torhal | Trela: nil isn't 0 |
| 06:23.22 | Trela | I know that. |
| 06:23.36 | Trela | I was using it as an example how the error message is retarded. :P |
| 06:23.58 | Yssaril | personaly i would rather have the error message cause then i know something is wrong and i have the option of suppressing the error by doing what wereHamster wrote |
| 06:24.04 | Torhal | It isn't retarded because it's its own type |
| 06:24.11 | Torhal | And what Yssaril said |
| 06:24.49 | Torhal | And just FYI: The Haskell compiler is fucking huge. |
| 06:25.02 | Torhal | 2.2GB so far and it's still compiling. |
| 06:30.27 | Dashkal | GHC is an absolute beast |
| 06:32.27 | Torhal | It ate up 2.5GB and I had to kill the compilation because I was out of space...I only have / set to 20GB and it's full now. |
| 06:32.52 | Torhal | Never thought I'd run into that...I usually do 15GB but figured I'd bump it slightly |
| 06:33.40 | Torhal | Only reason I reached capacity though is because I'm going from Gentoo stable to testing so I have double everything until I depclean |
| 06:34.16 | Cide | hmm |
| 06:34.33 | Vilkku | hey guys, as this is the only channel I'm in with any activity atm, I'll ask it over here: I got a laptop which had a blank screen when booted yesterday and the day before - today, it works |
| 06:34.38 | Cide | where's Shirik when you need him |
| 06:34.49 | Vilkku | what gives? :P |
| 06:34.52 | Cide | that's a question how? |
| 06:34.54 | Cide | there you go |
| 06:35.05 | Torhal | Vilkku: Without physical access, nobody here could tell you. |
| 06:35.20 | Torhal | Could be a dying drive, dying ram, dying video card... |
| 06:35.24 | Torhal | Or none of the above |
| 06:35.41 | Cide | hmm, C++ question |
| 06:35.58 | Vilkku | s.m.a.r.t. for hdd, memtest for ram, what could I do to test the card? |
| 06:36.19 | Cide | I have a function that returns a const std::vector<Foo> and a class that stores a const std::vector<Foo> as a class member |
| 06:37.03 | Cide | I need to capture the return value of the function into the class member (so I use an initialization list), but I need to use an intermediary function to properly call the function that returns const std::vector<Foo> |
| 06:37.27 | Cide | this seems fine and dandy to me except I want to avoid a copy |
| 06:37.43 | Cide | thoughts? |
| 06:37.59 | Torhal | So store a reference? |
| 06:38.02 | Cide | yep |
| 06:38.12 | Cide | so you use the capture by reference idiom |
| 06:38.24 | Torhal | I'd be more concise if the last time I touched C++ wasn't 2005. |
| 06:38.27 | Cide | return by value, capture by reference => object's lifetime is extended to the caller's block |
| 06:38.49 | Cide | but if I then return that reference to the initialization list, msvc complains |
| 06:38.57 | Torhal | Vilkku: google + "laptop video test" |
| 06:39.03 | Cide | 'Bar::m_foo' : reference member is initialized to a temporary that doesn't persist after the constructor exits |
| 06:39.25 | Torhal | Cide: Tried a pointer, then? |
| 06:39.40 | Torhal | I can't believe how much I've forgotten about C/C++ |
| 06:39.42 | Cide | the value is returned from the foreign function by value |
| 06:39.42 | Torhal | It's sick. |
| 06:40.01 | Cide | so I have to capture it by reference to avoid the copy |
| 06:40.07 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:40.16 | Cide | cogwheel, ping |
| 06:40.47 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:41.24 | Torhal | stabs Fisker with a SC2 retail box. |
| 06:41.40 | Fisker | not interested |
| 06:42.09 | Cide | http://pastey.net/138920 |
| 06:42.33 | Cide | err http://pastey.net/138921 |
| 06:44.00 | Yssaril | night all |
| 06:44.06 | Cide | ^ cogwheel |
| 06:44.20 | Fisker | no Cide |
| 06:49.01 | Fisker | i need you Cide |
| 06:49.49 | Cide | stfu |
| 06:50.07 | Fisker | no |
| 06:56.25 | cogwheel | Cide: i wouldn't worry about the copy. |
| 06:56.32 | cogwheel | compiler will probably optimize it away |
| 06:56.45 | Cide | that's what the capture reference idiom is for though |
| 06:57.00 | Cide | is there no equivalent in this case? |
| 06:58.18 | cogwheel | shrugs sleepily |
| 06:58.41 | cog|sleep | is useless, i tells ya! |
| 06:58.51 | Cide | yep |
| 06:59.19 | Fisker | bye cog|sleep |
| 06:59.36 | Fisker | or should i say hello cog|sleep and join you? |
| 07:02.12 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/article_17626_5-creepiest-sex-scenes-in-comics.html |
| 07:03.48 | Fisker | vælter haste |
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| 07:26.30 | Jerub | twin emperors is hard :/ |
| 07:26.53 | Jerub | wiped twice |
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| 07:30.18 | batrick- | !lua print'hi' |
| 07:30.18 | batbot | batrick-: hi |
| 07:30.32 | batrick- | sighs. |
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| 07:33.46 | Fisker | !lua print'hi' |
| 07:33.55 | Fisker | batbot is a jerk |
| 07:34.01 | Fisker | lua> print("hi") |
| 07:34.01 | lua_bot | Fisker: hi |
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| 07:38.53 | mikma | is it just me or do the quests in hyjal just end in "Return to Aviana" ? |
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| 07:40.12 | Fisker | nope |
| 07:40.37 | Fisker | the last quest is a quest just after the firelord |
| 07:41.11 | mikma | well, i can't find more quests in hyjal |
| 07:43.42 | mikma | whee, i found one |
| 07:46.17 | Fisker | it's kind of annoying though |
| 07:46.24 | Fisker | every time you complete an area you have to return to that npc |
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| 07:50.09 | bleeter | https://twitter.com/OthaLazzaro |
| 07:50.10 | bleeter | oO |
| 07:50.23 | Wobin | http://www.fukung.net/v/25931/895bf7b6177e5c8519b05a38d202315a.gif |
| 07:50.26 | bleeter | emailing hacks@ now, 'coz if I follow the link tells me to enable JS... but I've already done so |
| 07:50.26 | Wobin | old, but still good |
| 07:50.55 | Wobin | bleeter: wow. he really has a problem with mistweets =P |
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| 07:55.21 | Fisker | sounds legit Wobin |
| 07:55.25 | Fisker | hey bleeter btw |
| 07:55.32 | Thrae | Hmm. This 150CFM fan is...VERY LOUD. |
| 07:56.20 | Dagmar | 150. |
| 07:56.28 | Fisker | this one goes to 11 |
| 07:56.37 | Jerub | ffs |
| 07:56.43 | Jerub | twin emperor's bugged |
| 07:56.47 | Jerub | they haven't reset |
| 07:56.53 | Dagmar | In all honesty, if you need THAT much airflow in a single case, you need better heat sink tech. |
| 07:59.42 | mikma | tekkub: http://mikma.eu/wow/cata/lol.jpg |
| 08:00.10 | Fisker | it's a photoshop mikma |
| 08:00.14 | Fisker | i can see from the pixels, etc. |
| 08:00.25 | Fisker | btw that bear quest is unbearable |
| 08:01.02 | mikma | fisker: 10 points and a parrot-mark for you |
| 08:01.22 | mikma | and i thought that fisker couldn't be any more stupid, i was wrong, glad so |
| 08:01.43 | mikma | also, i didn't know fisker is tekkub |
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| 08:02.14 | Fisker | baww mikma |
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| 08:22.45 | harl | hi |
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| 08:24.02 | Fisker | oh my god harl |
| 08:24.09 | Fisker | i was like totally omg |
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| 08:47.16 | airtonix | ninjas Fisker |
| 08:48.01 | airtonix | <sound of bamboo stalks being tapped> |
| 08:48.06 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 08:48.15 | airtonix | kneecaps Fisker |
| 08:48.26 | airtonix | hey fisker |
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| 08:49.07 | airtonix | how is the ActivisionBlizzard : World of Warcraft : Cataclysm Beta ? |
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| 08:55.09 | Fisker | what do you mean airtonix ? |
| 08:57.00 | airtonix | i assume you already have your key |
| 09:00.07 | Fisker | yes |
| 09:00.19 | Fisker | But why "ActivisionBlizzard: World of Warcraft: Cataclysm Beta" |
| 09:01.51 | Torhal | Fisker: Because you were kneecapped by frozen yogurt. |
| 09:02.04 | Fisker | naw |
| 09:02.08 | Jerub | wooo |
| 09:02.11 | Jerub | c'thun is hard |
| 09:02.23 | Jerub | all that getting 1shot business |
| 09:03.22 | Fisker | c'thun was surprisingly easy after the nerf that made it killable |
| 09:03.40 | Wobin | c'thun is bugged =P |
| 09:03.55 | Wobin | it no longer has that flat rate stacking debuff in the stomach |
| 09:03.59 | Wobin | it's now based on spellpower =P |
| 09:04.02 | Fisker | yeah |
| 09:04.10 | Wobin | which is -awesome- for casters |
| 09:04.12 | nevcairiel | sounds painful |
| 09:04.21 | Wobin | you get a stacking +spellpower dot |
| 09:04.42 | nevcairiel | it actually increases your spellpower? |
| 09:04.47 | Fisker | i'm wondering if it didn't always stack on spellpower |
| 09:04.50 | Wobin | no it does your spellpower's damage to you |
| 09:04.54 | Fisker | you didn't really have a lot of spellpower back then |
| 09:04.55 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 09:04.58 | Wobin | Fisker: true |
| 09:05.04 | Wobin | but then it wouldn't affect melee |
| 09:05.15 | Wobin | which probably would have been noticed |
| 09:05.20 | Fisker | well sure |
| 09:05.35 | Fisker | But paladins atleast got spellpower now |
| 09:05.43 | Fisker | idk etc. |
| 09:05.54 | Wobin | Jerub: just have all your casters move straight out of the stomach (unless you're soloing =P) |
| 09:07.01 | airtonix | why are you talking about c'thun ? |
| 09:07.18 | Fisker | bitches |
| 09:07.21 | Fisker | that's why |
| 09:07.32 | airtonix | i like the word |
| 09:07.35 | airtonix | peasant |
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| 09:15.38 | Jerub | Wobin: actually, everyone who got eaten died |
| 09:15.48 | Jerub | Wobin: and then we had no idea how to res them |
| 09:16.11 | Jerub | airtonix: because i just killed him |
| 09:16.43 | Jerub | we very very nearly got him down in a single 'weakened' state |
| 09:16.52 | Jerub | that was with 15, only 10 of whom were 80 |
| 09:18.33 | Wobin | Jerub: you -can- survive the first few noms |
| 09:18.43 | Wobin | but it takes having being nommed before |
| 09:18.50 | Wobin | so you know just where to run as fast as you can |
| 09:19.21 | Wobin | as a resto shaman, it got to the point where I was the last one left, cause I could keep myself up... barely =P |
| 09:19.44 | Wobin | and yeah, if you die inside, you have to run back in =P |
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| 10:12.14 | Jerub | *rolls new toon on cael* |
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| 10:15.23 | eidolarr | is there a way to make like, a coroutine-blocking call to PlaySoundFile ? or to be notified when the sound finishes? |
| 10:16.24 | nevcairiel | no |
| 10:16.46 | eidolarr | man that is so not conducive to guitar hero minigames |
| 10:16.53 | eidolarr | they need to correct their priorities in api design |
| 10:17.01 | cbreak | just store the timings yourself |
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| 10:19.23 | eidolarr | tedious, very tedious |
| 10:19.38 | eidolarr | I wish they would revisit sounds and other blocking things now that they've added coroutines |
| 10:20.35 | cbreak | what are you talking about? |
| 10:20.46 | cbreak | coroutines have been in since five years |
| 10:21.21 | cbreak | at least since lua 5.1, maybe longer |
| 10:21.37 | eidolarr | PlaySoundFile was out before 5.1 |
| 10:21.56 | cbreak | coroutines probably as well |
| 10:22.01 | nevcairiel | coroutines dont solve your blocking trouble |
| 10:22.08 | nevcairiel | its not threads |
| 10:22.10 | eidolarr | I don't think they were in WoW until later |
| 10:22.20 | eidolarr | yeah, true, but with sound the user won't notice a tiny delay |
| 10:22.23 | nevcairiel | you have to manually yield a coroutine |
| 10:22.39 | nevcairiel | it doesnt solve any problems |
| 10:22.41 | cbreak | users notice audio delays easier than video delays |
| 10:23.07 | cbreak | that's why audio people always want low latency systems |
| 10:23.40 | eidolarr | you have to yield to a specific coroutine? |
| 10:23.47 | cbreak | no |
| 10:23.52 | cbreak | you yield IN your coroutine |
| 10:23.54 | cbreak | to stop executing |
| 10:23.59 | eidolarr | right |
| 10:24.17 | cbreak | and then you hope someone else starts it again |
| 10:24.19 | nevcairiel | The only real use for coroutines in wow is being able to run a very expensive algorithm and splitting it up amongst many OnUpdate tics without requiring you to save the state |
| 10:24.35 | nevcairiel | it is not threading |
| 10:24.39 | nevcairiel | it does not allow blocking stuff |
| 10:24.54 | cbreak | it's cooperative threading |
| 10:25.01 | cbreak | so it relies on the coroutines to yield |
| 10:25.07 | eidolarr | can't a coroutine keep yielding and getting woken up on update ticks to poll some condition? |
| 10:25.22 | eidolarr | to implement a sort of morally bankrupt sort of blocking? |
| 10:25.29 | cbreak | then you could check the condition in on update in the first place |
| 10:25.47 | nevcairiel | like i said, the only advantage is basically a execution context that you can pause |
| 10:25.50 | nevcairiel | without losing its state |
| 10:26.26 | eidolarr | I believe you but I am grappling with understanding why you can't emulate blocking |
| 10:26.37 | cbreak | because you can't block |
| 10:26.50 | eidolarr | hence 'emulate' |
| 10:26.57 | cbreak | you have to yield. |
| 10:27.03 | eidolarr | yes |
| 10:27.09 | eidolarr | so poll and yield if condition is false |
| 10:27.14 | eidolarr | until it's true |
| 10:27.16 | cbreak | as I said above |
| 10:27.18 | nevcairiel | You can also emulate that kind of blocking without coroutines |
| 10:27.22 | cbreak | just check in on update in the first place |
| 10:27.29 | cbreak | coroutines are expensive |
| 10:27.36 | cbreak | don't use them for useless stuff like that |
| 10:28.24 | eidolarr | sure you can, but then you don't get to save state |
| 10:28.51 | cbreak | waiting for some polling result doesn't require much state |
| 10:29.12 | nevcairiel | you can save the state in a coroutine if you want, but the polling should be done outside |
| 10:29.21 | cbreak | and it's not like you can't save state yourself |
| 10:29.24 | eidolarr | outside of the coroutine? |
| 10:29.33 | cbreak | the only thing you can't save without coroutines is stack state |
| 10:29.38 | nevcairiel | the context switch inside the coroutine just to poll some value and yield again is expensive |
| 10:30.08 | eidolarr | I see, sure, that works - isn't that like blocking? |
| 10:30.34 | cbreak | it's more like busy waiting |
| 10:30.44 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 10:30.48 | eidolarr | fair enough |
| 10:30.56 | eidolarr | but with the same result |
| 10:31.17 | nevcairiel | but the point was, coroutines dont allow you to do anything you couldnt do anyway |
| 10:32.22 | eidolarr | I see what you mean now |
| 10:32.56 | eidolarr | still, it seems (from the perspective of someone who has never worked with the C end of couroutines) that it wouldn't be hard to implement "play sound file and yield until it finishes" |
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| 10:33.43 | Arrowmaster | no that would still be mostly impossible |
| 10:33.47 | eidolarr | so it's still synchronous, and not really threads, but gets the effect of blocking |
| 10:33.56 | eidolarr | how come? |
| 10:34.02 | Arrowmaster | because when is it supposed to go back into the coroutine? |
| 10:34.13 | Arrowmaster | what happens to the rest of the stuff running? |
| 10:34.19 | nevcairiel | coroutines dont magically start back up |
| 10:34.22 | nevcairiel | you have to start them |
| 10:34.23 | eidolarr | puts it in the queue |
| 10:34.33 | eidolarr | whatever happens when events occur asynchronously when lua code is running |
| 10:34.39 | Arrowmaster | but still, you could completely break stuff doing that |
| 10:34.48 | eidolarr | how so? |
| 10:35.07 | Arrowmaster | a coroutine starting up and changing stuff that others dont know about |
| 10:35.25 | Arrowmaster | you could change their data mid way or something |
| 10:35.37 | eidolarr | no, I'm saying, you dont' interrupt their instruction stream |
| 10:35.46 | Arrowmaster | thats not possible |
| 10:35.47 | cbreak | not like you can interrupt it |
| 10:35.50 | eidolarr | if function X is running, you wait until it returns control to the interface |
| 10:35.53 | Arrowmaster | its single threaded |
| 10:36.01 | eidolarr | right |
| 10:36.10 | Arrowmaster | so you are saying to lock it into the OnUpdate anyway |
| 10:36.11 | eidolarr | here, say you're running your on update handler |
| 10:36.26 | eidolarr | at a high level OnUpdate basically ends with a philosophical yield |
| 10:36.29 | eidolarr | and any event handler |
| 10:36.31 | eidolarr | (hopefully) |
| 10:36.37 | cbreak | no |
| 10:36.41 | nevcairiel | it just quits |
| 10:36.44 | nevcairiel | doesnt have to yield |
| 10:36.48 | cbreak | it returnsto C space |
| 10:36.50 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 10:37.06 | eidolarr | i'm saying like abstractly, the pattern is, get your handler called, do stuff, return, someone else gets called |
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| 10:37.10 | nevcairiel | you need to get those multi-threaded ideas out of your head |
| 10:37.15 | nevcairiel | itll just cause you trouble |
| 10:37.22 | eidolarr | why can't you just enqueue the "unblocking" instruction stream to be one of those someone elses |
| 10:37.34 | cbreak | because it's dumb to do it? |
| 10:37.54 | eidolarr | why? it has many of the benefits of blocking with none of the downsides |
| 10:38.05 | cbreak | have you even read what we wrote? |
| 10:38.10 | cbreak | "none of the downsides"... ha. ha. |
| 10:38.23 | cbreak | it's expensive in both CPU time and Memory |
| 10:38.32 | cbreak | it requires serious redesign of the application |
| 10:38.41 | cbreak | and you still can't do much you could not do without |
| 10:38.50 | cbreak | so lots of work for no benefit |
| 10:38.57 | eidolarr | I got what he was saying before, I am no longer talking about an addon-space implementation of blocking |
| 10:39.25 | eidolarr | as for benefits, take the example given: PlaySoundAndWait |
| 10:39.49 | cbreak | or use the faster and cheaper PlaySoundWithCallback |
| 10:40.55 | eidolarr | that would be a similar solution, except you lose state |
| 10:41.02 | cbreak | no |
| 10:41.09 | eidolarr | I'm not sure about all this "faster" and "cheaper", I don't know but I doubt you do either |
| 10:41.10 | cbreak | you don't lose state |
| 10:41.26 | cbreak | that's because you are clueless about coroutines |
| 10:41.31 | eidolarr | you lose the stack |
| 10:41.32 | cbreak | calling them is expensive |
| 10:41.39 | cbreak | having them is expensive |
| 10:41.46 | eidolarr | again, I am no longer talking about using Lua's coroutines |
| 10:41.53 | cbreak | so what? |
| 10:41.57 | eidolarr | I'm talking about a C side emulation of synchronous blocking |
| 10:42.03 | cbreak | do you think you can keep a whole stack around in memory without using memory? |
| 10:42.21 | eidolarr | yeah that's exactly what i think |
| 10:42.22 | cbreak | do you think you can switch the ebp/esp for no cost? |
| 10:42.35 | eidolarr | this is getting silly |
| 10:42.38 | cbreak | stack switching is expensive. |
| 10:43.15 | eidolarr | by what metric? you don't know what would even go into the theoretical stack switching, or have any reasonable means of comparing it to other Lua operations |
| 10:43.43 | cbreak | why do you think I have not? |
| 10:44.07 | eidolarr | well, have you written any coroutine lua libraries in C? |
| 10:44.16 | cbreak | I've written a compiler... |
| 10:44.27 | eidolarr | i've written a kernel |
| 10:44.39 | eidolarr | it doesn't make me a master at sight-measuring the speed of abstract descriptions of processes in Lua |
| 10:44.46 | cbreak | we're not talking about lua |
| 10:44.53 | eidolarr | or a C interface to Lua |
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| 10:45.25 | mikma | 12460 Obliterate crit :D |
| 10:45.58 | eidolarr | wha'ts ironic is that that's a number that would probably have fit in the wotlk beta too |
| 10:46.23 | cbreak | non-mages and their silly tiny crits... |
| 10:46.49 | mikma | yeah |
| 10:46.58 | mikma | it did fit in wotlk beta scourge strike |
| 10:47.12 | eidolarr | cbreak: my point is that it may be very expensive, but you can't just dismiss the entire idea because "stacks are pick, switching ebp/esp is expensive" with no hard experience or data |
| 10:47.21 | mikma | scourge strike benefitted from all diseases (including other dk's) |
| 10:48.07 | cbreak | eidolarr: it should be obvious that things don't come for free. storing a stack uses memory. switching stacks uses time. |
| 10:48.09 | eidolarr | coroutines are expensive in Lua but I would guess much of the cost is in the whole library being inside of Lua, it might be substantially cheaper if it's just a block-to-C |
| 10:48.14 | cbreak | I don't claim to know how much time |
| 10:48.18 | cbreak | or how much memory |
| 10:48.28 | cbreak | but you will require some of it |
| 10:48.34 | eidolarr | sure but you're saying "prohibitively expensive, can't do" |
| 10:48.39 | eidolarr | maybe it's not all that expensive in this case |
| 10:48.48 | cbreak | no, I say too expensive for getting nothing in return |
| 10:48.52 | sylvanaar_ipad | expense is all relative anyway |
| 10:49.11 | nevcairiel | its pointless anyway, why would they ever produce such complex apis |
| 10:49.13 | cbreak | sylvanaar_ipad: colloquy mobile? |
| 10:49.20 | sylvanaar_ipad | yeah |
| 10:49.23 | mikma | also, i like the current Rune Strike |
| 10:49.24 | cbreak | is it good? |
| 10:49.29 | sylvanaar_ipad | yeah, i like it |
| 10:49.44 | sylvanaar_ipad | i like it better than limewire |
| 10:49.55 | cbreak | nice. I've looked at a few I could buy and tended to favor it too, since I use it on os x |
| 10:49.59 | cbreak | did you try the bouncer feature? |
| 10:50.07 | nevcairiel | limewire? isnt that some p2p thing? |
| 10:50.15 | sylvanaar_ipad | what bouncer feature |
| 10:50.26 | sylvanaar_ipad | lime something if not lime wire |
| 10:50.31 | cbreak | if you run coloquy on os x, you can use it to forward connections |
| 10:50.47 | cbreak | so you can resume when you exit colloquy on ipad |
| 10:51.00 | cbreak | one of the features I find interesting, but I am not sure if it would work well |
| 10:51.15 | eidolarr | cbreak: maybe if the cost isn't too high, it would be a nice to be able to write print("playing sound!"); PlaySoundAndWait(sound); print("done playing!") versus setting up a callback, especially if you have local state |
| 10:51.29 | sylvanaar_ipad | well colloquy works really great on iOS4 |
| 10:51.30 | eidolarr | nevcairiel: yeah I agree mostly, but some things like sounds I think are exceptions |
| 10:51.49 | sylvanaar_ipad | i am ready for that to be available for iPad |
| 10:51.52 | cbreak | eidolarr: maybe for someone used to procedural code. I'd just encapsulate the state into an object and use callbacks. |
| 10:52.52 | eidolarr | yeah unfortunately PlaySoundWithCallback doesn't exist either |
| 10:52.59 | cbreak | waiting for the iPhone4 to be available |
| 10:53.19 | cbreak | eidolarr: yes. we're speculating, so we can invent random wish-it-existed methods :) |
| 10:54.03 | eidolarr | maybe someday (probably not) |
| 10:54.11 | cbreak | I doubt it. |
| 10:54.23 | eidolarr | too obscure, too much trouble |
| 10:54.34 | cbreak | I agree with the first |
| 10:54.36 | cbreak | and as consequence with the second |
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| 10:55.17 | eidolarr | often i wish their sound stuff was snazzier, PlaySoundAtVolume would be cool too |
| 10:55.33 | sylvanaar_ipad | cbreak: not available for you yet? |
| 10:55.47 | cbreak | sylvanaar_ipad: start of sale is end of this month |
| 10:56.00 | cbreak | the price is not known yet though |
| 10:56.10 | eidolarr | you're not waiting for the second edition or w/e to address the antenna thing? |
| 10:56.22 | cbreak | not really |
| 10:56.34 | cbreak | I don't like phones, so I can use it as excuse for dropping calls |
| 10:56.42 | sylvanaar_ipad | the antenna thing isn't really a big deal |
| 10:56.42 | cbreak | well, maybe I wait... :) |
| 10:56.44 | eidolarr | haha |
| 10:57.19 | eidolarr | I get the feeling that 99% of the time it is nothing at all and the other 1% it's a total bitch |
| 10:58.17 | cbreak | oh fun |
| 10:58.24 | cbreak | arcane blast now slows for more than frostbolt |
| 10:58.53 | sylvanaar_ipad | thats silly |
| 11:00.08 | cbreak | frostbolt slows by 40%, arcane blast by 60% |
| 11:01.47 | industrial | werent mages going to be warlocks |
| 11:01.54 | industrial | flees |
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| 11:03.47 | cbreak | improved blink rank1: 70% speed increase |
| 11:03.57 | cbreak | improved blink rank2: 35% speed increase |
| 11:04.24 | industrial | seersly. |
| 11:11.31 | foxlit | not the only thing suffering from odd rank tooltips |
| 11:11.41 | foxlit | The question is really whether the spells are similarly bugged. |
| 11:12.33 | foxlit | In case of Blink, neither rank does what the tooltip says it does :P |
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| 11:19.31 | mikma | nevcairiel: ping |
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| 11:25.25 | cbreak | they removed magic absorbtion :( |
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| 11:30.06 | foxlit | It's amazing that there's still no obvious way of getting out of a while(1) alert("Ha-ha!"); loop |
| 11:30.37 | zenzelezz | in lua? |
| 11:31.02 | foxlit | lua doesn't have an alert() :) |
| 11:31.05 | foxlit | javascript. |
| 11:31.07 | mikma | anyone here with eu beta ally? |
| 11:31.18 | zenzelezz | javascript doesn't have "break"? |
| 11:31.37 | mikma | hah |
| 11:31.46 | mikma | try buying another dualspec in the beta |
| 11:31.49 | mikma | D/C |
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| 11:32.24 | foxlit | zenzelezz: you're suggesting changes to code, while I'm talking about user agent behavior |
| 11:32.31 | DJJeff | ummmmmmm |
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| 11:32.34 | DJJeff | ummmmmmmm |
| 11:32.36 | zenzelezz | foxlit: oh, I see |
| 11:32.42 | foxlit | Should you happen to be running that while(1) alert(), you'll most likely have to quit your browser to get out of it |
| 11:32.48 | DJJeff | too all the kids who didnt think I could do 30k DPS |
| 11:32.49 | DJJeff | http://imgur.com/NQ6wu.jpg |
| 11:32.56 | DJJeff | enough said |
| 11:33.07 | DJJeff | #5 on recount |
| 11:33.45 | foxlit | /care, aoe trash pack. |
| 11:33.53 | DJJeff | 1 massive pull |
| 11:34.06 | DJJeff | guess who was in the middle casting ICE BLOCK ? |
| 11:34.09 | DJJeff | <<<<<<<<<<<<<< |
| 11:34.20 | foxlit | Again, I don't see why one would care. |
| 11:34.34 | DJJeff | cause I was only doing 15k dps |
| 11:34.38 | DJJeff | on the venture co |
| 11:34.49 | DJJeff | and now im doing almost 30k |
| 11:34.56 | DJJeff | on my new realm |
| 11:34.59 | ^RaK^ | k |
| 11:36.02 | industrial | http://www.linusakesson.net/chipophone/ |
| 11:36.04 | industrial | awesome |
| 11:36.08 | cbreak | I don't think the server you are on has any influence on dps |
| 11:36.17 | DJJeff | it does tho |
| 11:36.36 | DJJeff | cause my new realm...... will actually invite me to a 25 man icc |
| 11:36.43 | DJJeff | where as my old ones |
| 11:36.46 | industrial | heh i know all the tunes |
| 11:36.50 | industrial | by heart :D |
| 11:36.53 | DJJeff | thorium brotherhood |
| 11:36.57 | DJJeff | and the venture co |
| 11:36.59 | DJJeff | did not |
| 11:37.29 | cbreak | how many talent points do we get? |
| 11:38.01 | ^RaK^ | at 85 ? |
| 11:38.05 | cbreak | for some reason I seem to have 43 spent at level 80 |
| 11:38.08 | cbreak | yes |
| 11:38.13 | DJJeff | a screenshot speaks louder then words :) |
| 11:38.14 | ^RaK^ | 41, lol |
| 11:38.16 | DJJeff | I love it |
| 11:39.36 | DJJeff | that 25 man PUG that I was in...... downed sindragosa and blood queen |
| 11:40.04 | DJJeff | where as venture co and thorium brotherhood PUGs quit on 4/12 saurfang |
| 11:40.24 | cbreak | http://yfrog.com/n3screenshot20100725at133p |
| 11:40.26 | Ycarene | Anybody care to give my bbs a quick test? |
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| 11:40.58 | DJJeff | cbreak: is that an addon? |
| 11:41.04 | cbreak | no |
| 11:41.07 | DJJeff | looks nice |
| 11:41.09 | DJJeff | I want that |
| 11:41.15 | cbreak | it's the default UI |
| 11:41.22 | TehHuntorz | Its the beta default |
| 11:41.40 | DJJeff | from CATA ? |
| 11:41.46 | Fisker | CATA?! |
| 11:41.48 | TehHuntorz | no, from the other beta |
| 11:41.50 | DJJeff | I dont have CATA yet /wrist |
| 11:41.58 | Fisker | I HAVE CATA |
| 11:42.06 | DJJeff | Fisker |
| 11:42.09 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/cata/WoWScrnShot_072310_221018.jpg |
| 11:42.22 | DJJeff | you thought I could not do 30k ish deeps |
| 11:42.24 | DJJeff | X_X |
| 11:42.38 | DJJeff | and no pug would take me on a high ranked realm |
| 11:42.55 | TehHuntorz | 30k AoE dps* |
| 11:42.55 | cbreak | seems I have more talent than you mikma :) |
| 11:43.02 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/cata/WoWScrnShot_071910_222237.jpg |
| 11:43.06 | mikma | there's the old one |
| 11:43.23 | DJJeff | yes 30k AoE dps |
| 11:43.43 | DJJeff | aint no 30k single target DPS |
| 11:43.49 | DJJeff | no way in hell |
| 11:43.50 | mikma | cbreak: lovely bugged talent tree :) don't reset it |
| 11:44.02 | cbreak | it resets every time I zone |
| 11:44.17 | mikma | the fix for that is disabling the preview |
| 11:44.17 | cbreak | well, it resets away 7 points |
| 11:44.35 | mikma | without preview it saves them correctly and won't reset anymore |
| 11:44.48 | mikma | i had that same with my dk's unholy tree, it always reseted to 0/0/7 |
| 11:45.26 | TehHuntorz | random |
| 11:45.45 | TehHuntorz | oops |
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| 11:54.22 | mikma | There are no World of Warcraft Game Licenses attached to this Battle.Net Account. |
| 11:54.25 | mikma | whoopdidoo |
| 11:57.08 | mikma | waaah |
| 11:57.16 | mikma | can't copy character to mekkatorque |
| 11:57.20 | mikma | this sucks |
| 11:59.02 | amro | Game Licenses |
| 11:59.06 | amro | sounds so microsoft |
| 11:59.19 | Fisker | where is the love mikma ? |
| 12:01.27 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/temp/suggest << trainwreck :( |
| 12:04.03 | mikma | foxlit: and result? |
| 12:04.03 | amro | that looks more like source code |
| 12:04.13 | amro | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/2871175494_1146a76b18.jpg << trainwreck |
| 12:04.54 | foxlit | mikma: it kind of sort of works. If you don't sneeze on it. |
| 12:05.20 | mikma | foxlit: what does it do? |
| 12:06.08 | foxlit | Tries to autocomplete your input to an <input> |
| 12:06.23 | mikma | why? |
| 12:07.55 | foxlit | because a 3600-entry dropdown would be unwieldy. |
| 12:08.41 | mikma | lies |
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| 12:11.09 | foxlit | You can play around with it here: http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/suggest , assuming I haven't broken it |
| 12:11.51 | mikma | neat, it takes a text in and nothing happens |
| 12:13.02 | foxlit | Should be something like http://www.go-hero.net/box/suggest.png |
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| 12:13.47 | ^RaK^ | you have to hit enter mik :> |
| 12:13.55 | mikma | yeah i hit enter |
| 12:13.59 | ^RaK^ | or worked when i did anyway :) |
| 12:13.59 | mikma | nothing happens :D |
| 12:14.23 | mikma | oh, FrameXML browser, hehe |
| 12:14.32 | mikma | no wonder it didn't complete anything i wrote |
| 12:14.49 | mikma | so, why in the hell i suddenly got WoW1 and WoW2 in my PTR login? |
| 12:15.35 | mikma | rofl |
| 12:15.37 | mikma | wotlk beta? |
| 12:15.48 | foxlit | no, PTR and cata beta. |
| 12:15.59 | mikma | why did it pop up now |
| 12:16.20 | foxlit | probably the first time you logged on while both accounts were active? |
| 12:17.12 | mikma | something's really fucked up in battle.net atm |
| 12:17.42 | mikma | https://www.wow-europe.com/beta-charcopy/images/en/worlds-copy-top.jpg |
| 12:18.10 | ^RaK^ | i really dislike the new layout |
| 12:18.39 | mikma | so. i decided to login into battle.net in order to copy a character into ptr |
| 12:18.47 | mikma | it decided to pop me in wotlk ptr instead |
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| 12:20.29 | mikma | apparently account bind items don't go longer than lvl80 |
| 12:20.51 | zenzelezz | haven't they been saying that they would stop at 80 for a long time already? |
| 12:20.55 | nevcairiel | the heirlooms are limited to 80, yeah |
| 12:21.21 | mikma | meh, that's ok i guess |
| 12:21.41 | haste | MoonWitch: pong |
| 12:21.50 | nevcairiel | there will be new heirlooms |
| 12:22.16 | Fisker | haste |
| 12:22.20 | Fisker | i væltede you |
| 12:22.42 | haste | Fisker: jeg kan ikke svømme!!! bestefar! |
| 12:23.43 | mikma | you can't swim? |
| 12:24.48 | Fisker | you can't swim |
| 12:25.06 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YFmCAdhdNQ |
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| 12:27.58 | MoonWitch | haste, I was going to ask you something about oUF, but I sorted it... I completely overlooked 1 lil thing and that was the solution :P |
| 12:28.10 | haste | \:D/ |
| 12:28.30 | MoonWitch | yep - none of my tags worked as expected because of it.. Something about the [] :P |
| 12:28.36 | Fisker | your head is odd |
| 12:29.45 | Jamash | your head is even |
| 12:33.01 | Fisker | thank you |
| 12:33.32 | Jamash | phrenology ftw |
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| 12:39.58 | zenzelezz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10753448 - pretty crazy |
| 12:40.01 | Fisker | no u |
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| 12:59.52 | Eluna | What's the name of the Equipment manager thing agian? |
| 13:06.04 | smcn | Eluna you mean the built-in one? equipment manager :P |
| 13:06.16 | Eluna | No, the addon. |
| 13:06.26 | Eluna | I just don't remember the name. |
| 13:06.36 | smcn | outfitter |
| 13:06.40 | Eluna | Thank you. XD |
| 13:09.25 | Fisker | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/guide/campaign-overview |
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| 13:15.36 | amro | wow, it serves ads on its own website, for itself |
| 13:15.51 | amro | that's so bad |
| 13:16.01 | cbreak | I love computer security |
| 13:18.02 | Kraps | zenzelezz: lol woodstock |
| 13:18.44 | zenzelezz | I wasn't aware of tramplings at Woodstock |
| 13:19.20 | Kraps | true |
| 13:22.15 | amro | I'd have thought there would be lots of little tramps at woodstock |
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| 13:22.59 | Kraps | deaths at a love parade |
| 13:23.10 | Kraps | sounds like 1984 |
| 13:24.14 | cbreak | the IQ of humans is inverse proportional to the size of the group they are part of |
| 13:24.44 | cbreak | (this applies to groups that are bigger than around a dozen or so, but small groups it does not hold) |
| 13:24.47 | foxlit | Ready #1 to go to Hyjal: the Vash'jir boat comes every millennium. |
| 13:24.53 | foxlit | s/dy/son/ |
| 13:25.02 | cbreak | foxlit: teleport to dalaran, fly. |
| 13:25.11 | foxlit | fly where? |
| 13:25.17 | cbreak | hyjal |
| 13:25.35 | foxlit | I can d better, then -- teleport to moonglade, fly to hyjal |
| 13:25.44 | foxlit | It's vash'jir that's problematic :) |
| 13:25.45 | cbreak | damn druids. |
| 13:25.52 | cbreak | tried to fly there? |
| 13:26.03 | foxlit | Fatigue |
| 13:26.07 | cbreak | :/ |
| 13:26.12 | foxlit | Besides, you need to be on the boat for the quest |
| 13:26.33 | foxlit | (also, you get an on-demand taxi to Hyjal from Moonglade, and you get paid for it :P) |
| 13:26.37 | cbreak | where does the boat land? |
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| 13:27.00 | foxlit | That would be a spoiler. |
| 13:27.30 | Fisker | naw |
| 13:27.50 | foxlit | You never get there, in either case. |
| 13:29.33 | Kraps | "If you keep making the kinds of threads that get locked, then you'll be removed from the beta and we will replace you with someone who can provide intelligent feedback." |
| 13:29.37 | Kraps | oooooooooh |
| 13:30.57 | Eluna | I _love_ that. :D |
| 13:34.32 | Kraps | pick me! |
| 13:34.53 | Fisker | practical application > theory Kraps |
| 13:34.59 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26262577220/party-frames-fail-version-of-grid/ |
| 13:35.05 | Kraps | saw that |
| 13:35.10 | Kraps | people suck |
| 13:35.43 | Kraps | this is pretty sick if true http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26262797227&sid=2000 |
| 13:37.25 | nevcairiel | that would explain why my fps dipped down a bit after the last builds |
| 13:37.48 | airtonix | Fisker lol |
| 13:38.50 | Eluna | Macs continue to get the shaft though.. which is a shame. -.- |
| 13:38.51 | airtonix | Fisker, "Default Settings ": Sanctifying Religious Fervor since 1985" |
| 13:39.04 | airtonix | Eluna, quiet macfag |
| 13:39.23 | Eluna | Yeah, using a mac makes me a macfag... |
| 13:39.29 | Fisker | yes it does |
| 13:39.31 | airtonix | Eluna, you don;t know the feeling of "shaft" until you use linux. |
| 13:39.32 | Kraps | harsh airtonix |
| 13:39.44 | Eluna | What is this linux of which you speak? |
| 13:39.51 | Jamash | linux, can you dig it? |
| 13:39.57 | airtonix | SEE THE IGNORANCE! |
| 13:40.00 | olafski | some homebrew OS hobbyists use, eluna |
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| 13:40.19 | airtonix | Fisker, how dare they! |
| 13:40.22 | Eluna | Ah, you mean that dos os thing. |
| 13:40.27 | olafski | something like that |
| 13:40.28 | airtonix | lols |
| 13:40.29 | Eluna | The one nerds use. |
| 13:40.35 | olafski | it's like dos with networking I think |
| 13:40.49 | airtonix | :) |
| 13:40.52 | Jamash | it's bsd with less satan |
| 13:40.53 | Eluna | Without working printer drivers or, well, non-working drivers all around basically. |
| 13:41.18 | airtonix | Eluna, no thats just what we tell the nabs who can't use synaptics |
| 13:41.33 | Kraps | so is MOH any good? |
| 13:41.36 | airtonix | (i've yet to come across a printer my netbook can't print too) |
| 13:41.39 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 13:42.12 | airtonix | Kraps, why is it free ? |
| 13:42.30 | Kraps | whaaaaat |
| 13:42.47 | airtonix | why would you consider playing it unless it was free ? |
| 13:43.20 | olafski | pukes |
| 13:43.34 | Kraps | airtonix: stuff costs money, your argument is invalid |
| 13:43.35 | airtonix | ~_~ |
| 13:43.43 | airtonix | Kraps, your face was free ! |
| 13:43.49 | Jamash | Moonbase Alpha is free |
| 13:43.54 | olafski | alien swarm too |
| 13:44.07 | airtonix | Aaand fiskers mum. |
| 13:44.14 | Kraps | game of the year candidates right there |
| 13:44.21 | airtonix | yup yup |
| 13:44.55 | Kraps | basically, MoH > CoD imo |
| 13:45.01 | airtonix | All crap |
| 13:45.07 | olafski | quake 2 or bust |
| 13:45.08 | Jamash | is alien swarm related to Natural Selection in any way? |
| 13:45.13 | airtonix | no |
| 13:45.17 | Jamash | ok |
| 13:45.20 | Kraps | airtonix: why? |
| 13:45.33 | airtonix | because they suck monkey balls ? |
| 13:45.39 | cbreak | is "swarm" applicable to non-aquatic beings? |
| 13:45.41 | Kraps | WHY? |
| 13:45.43 | Jamash | olafski: hi5 |
| 13:45.45 | airtonix | or did you want real reasons ? |
| 13:45.50 | foxlit | cbreak: like insects? |
| 13:45.50 | olafski | high fives jamash |
| 13:45.50 | Kraps | YES |
| 13:45.56 | airtonix | ok well. |
| 13:45.56 | cbreak | hmm. yes. |
| 13:45.58 | foxlit | or locusts? |
| 13:46.06 | airtonix | you see |
| 13:46.14 | Jamash | Swarms deal damage to any creature occupying the same square |
| 13:46.27 | airtonix | let me get back to you on that |
| 13:46.37 | Kraps | stfu airtonix |
| 13:46.50 | Kraps | SimCity™ 4 Deluxe Edition is on steam |
| 13:46.55 | airtonix | MOh has a horrible control system |
| 13:46.55 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.13 | olafski | mm simcity |
| 13:47.30 | Kraps | airtonix: like what? |
| 13:47.31 | Fisker | old Kraps |
| 13:47.32 | Fisker | on steam |
| 13:47.43 | Kraps | Fisker: no |
| 13:47.59 | Kraps | i looked for it a month ago |
| 13:48.41 | Thunder_Child | 32GB of ram in a notebook.....odd |
| 13:49.25 | Fisker | yes Kraps |
| 13:49.32 | Fisker | but it's still old |
| 13:49.43 | Fisker | been in the files as well for quite some time actually |
| 13:49.43 | airtonix | Thunder_Child, leet 36bit OS |
| 13:50.06 | Jamash | someone find the "Sid Meier's Sin City" image I saw a while ago |
| 13:50.13 | Thunder_Child | and it's only $9,300 |
| 13:50.21 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:58.46 | Fisker | sid meir Jamash ? |
| 13:58.49 | Fisker | meier* |
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| 14:26.28 | mikma | someone here with beta eu ally? :P |
| 14:26.39 | nevcairiel | me! |
| 14:27.08 | nevcairiel | but why? |
| 14:29.02 | mikma | need a guildinvite for my rogue |
| 14:29.08 | mikma | i even pinged you earlier :D |
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| 14:30.08 | nevcairiel | no you didnt |
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| 14:31.03 | nevcairiel | i cant start the game anymore o.O |
| 14:31.17 | mikma | 14:19 <mikma> nevcairiel: ping |
| 14:31.21 | nevcairiel | oh hm, i cant start it when a video player is active |
| 14:31.22 | nevcairiel | funny |
| 14:31.27 | mikma | 17:29 <mikma> i even pinged you earlier :D |
| 14:31.34 | nevcairiel | where? |
| 14:31.36 | nevcairiel | i didnt see it |
| 14:32.01 | nevcairiel | oh there |
| 14:32.03 | mikma | heh |
| 14:32.05 | nevcairiel | well i was not there, then! |
| 14:32.43 | zenzelezz | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/856794837/its-a-poo-fetish-website-but-it-needs-to-be |
| 14:33.25 | nevcairiel | that wasnt even worht opening |
| 14:33.29 | nevcairiel | nothing but the text on the page |
| 14:34.51 | zenzelezz | the SEO-URL was missing a whole word! I imagine the URL would've worked with only the ID, but I couldn't be bothered |
| 14:37.40 | ScytheBlade1 | so I'm pretty amazing |
| 14:37.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I managed to create a VPN tunnel that takes 16 hops |
| 14:37.56 | ScytheBlade1 | When all I can count is 4 |
| 14:40.54 | ScytheBlade1 | right now, laptop --> wifi to my router --> vpn server --> tunnel back to my box BEHIND my router --> my network --> my router, w/ a route for that traffic to bounce --> back to the box behind my router --> tunnel back to the server --> server tunnel to laptop |
| 14:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | cries a little |
| 14:41.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate NAT :/ |
| 14:41.43 | Kraps | hey, i hate you all |
| 14:42.20 | Fisker | slaps ScytheBlade1 around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:42.21 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:42.22 | nevcairiel | i still havent figured out why my work laptop doesnt like using my NAT |
| 14:42.23 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:43.54 | nevcairiel | i can access my local net just fine, but it doesnt go through the nat |
| 14:44.13 | Fisker | i can access you just fine |
| 14:44.31 | ScytheBlade1 | well at least it works |
| 14:44.47 | ScytheBlade1 | and the latency won't be too bad, outside of the cell phone lag anyway |
| 14:45.12 | Kraps | i can access your mom just fine Fisker |
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| 14:47.34 | Fisker | you wish |
| 14:51.45 | Kraps | wonders what fiskers mom looks like |
| 14:51.55 | Wobin | like fisker's dad |
| 14:55.05 | Kraps | spouses tend to take on similar features after a while |
| 15:01.22 | Kraps | (shouldnt the plural of spouse be spice?) |
| 15:02.10 | nevcairiel | spouseses! |
| 15:06.11 | Wobin | http://www.fukung.net/v/17310/defc6a97aa11b900a53ab3d654535aa2.png |
| 15:06.19 | Wobin | spousi? |
| 15:09.01 | alestane | huggles Cairenn|afk back to the channel. |
| 15:09.19 | Cairenn|afk | no, Cairenn is sleeping :p |
| 15:09.37 | Cairenn|afk | Okay, so I'm not right now, but I'm about to be |
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| 15:13.07 | alestane | But you're online. Have hugs. |
| 15:13.13 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 15:13.16 | Cairenn|afk | hugs alestane |
| 15:13.23 | alestane | Hugs are good company for sleeping. |
| 15:13.56 | Cairenn|afk | I won't disagree with that :) |
| 15:14.18 | alestane | Good, I'd have to argue with you. Then you wouldn't get to sllep. |
| 15:14.21 | alestane | sleep* |
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| 15:17.10 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:20.21 | Kraps | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/811687376/client-how-much-do-you-charge-to-install-windows |
| 15:35.13 | foxlit | Crash every time I switch world servers on beta realms :/ |
| 15:35.54 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
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| 15:39.47 | Kraps | is currently listening to Chumbawamba - Tubthumping |
| 15:40.07 | Thunder_Child | i hate you Kraps |
| 15:40.35 | Kraps | cackles |
| 15:40.35 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:40.38 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:41.09 | Ressy | foxlit, you mean when porting or switching realms? |
| 15:41.22 | foxlit | teleports. |
| 15:41.28 | Ressy | Running dx11? |
| 15:41.42 | foxlit | Shouldn't be, but can't actually check |
| 15:42.07 | Ressy | If you're running Vista/Win 7, with a dx11 card, wow auto-sets it to dx11 for you |
| 15:42.19 | foxlit | dx10 card, however. |
| 15:42.42 | Ressy | dx10 cards support dx11 as a setting. Unsure if it auto-sets. |
| 15:42.59 | Ressy | I was getting that too with dx11 when porting. Switching to d3d9 fixed it. |
| 15:44.02 | foxlit | I also can't see my own reflection in bodies of water :( |
| 15:44.48 | Ressy | odd. You have all the water stuff on? |
| 15:45.06 | foxlit | Yep. |
| 15:45.08 | foxlit | See everything but me |
| 15:45.15 | Ressy | Bug report. |
| 15:45.22 | Kraps | cant remember where i heard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_World_%28song%29 |
| 15:45.56 | Ressy | Wow. GC stated they'll remove ppl from beta if their posts on the forums keep crossing the line. |
| 15:46.29 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 15:46.48 | alestane | Beta is not for people who can't be constructive. |
| 15:49.33 | Kraps | huh, the original is fast |
| 15:49.35 | ^RaK^ | full of people just saying "lolz blizz suck"? :/ |
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| 15:50.20 | alestane | The beta is not a playground (at least not primarily); it's an environment for people to contribute to the development process. |
| 15:50.45 | Shirik_ | ohi |
| 15:50.53 | batrick | ohi |
| 15:51.08 | Kraps | omg a Shirik |
| 15:51.08 | Shirik_ | batrick didn't even know I was gone |
| 15:51.11 | Thunder_Child | alestane: your fantasy is amusing |
| 15:51.31 | nevcairiel | if you cant be constructive, at least shut up about it |
| 15:51.37 | alestane | That's how Blizzard sees it; plenty of other people don't see it that way. |
| 15:51.56 | Maldivia | Ressy: already happening :P |
| 15:51.57 | Wobin | Kraps: Donnie Darko |
| 15:52.15 | alestane | But if they active inhibit the development process, then they can be removed, yes. |
| 15:52.38 | cbreak | bliz could remove 50% randomly determined people if they wanted to. |
| 15:52.43 | Kraps | Wobin: nope, i'm pretty sure i heard the alex parks version |
| 15:52.51 | Kraps | (its a woman) |
| 15:53.09 | Wobin | Gears of War? |
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| 15:53.27 | Kraps | no |
| 15:54.09 | Kraps | maybe a trailer for it? |
| 15:54.19 | Wobin | they used it in the ad |
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| 15:54.48 | Wobin | it wasn't the alex parks version though, I don't think |
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| 15:55.36 | Shirik_ | Fisker: |
| 15:55.45 | Shirik_ | how many times have you slapped my BNC since I left? |
| 15:56.06 | Jamash | is that what the kids call it these days |
| 15:56.26 | Kraps | wonder why everyone does downtempo covers, the original is uptempo |
| 15:56.52 | Wobin | cause it's more aligned to the lyrics |
| 15:57.21 | Kraps | yeah |
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| 15:58.32 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccWrbGEFgI8&feature=fvw |
| 16:00.00 | Fisker | how many times did i bang your mom Shirik etc? |
| 16:00.17 | Wobin | Michael Andrews (born 23rd August 1959) is an American musician and film score composer. He is best known for a cover version of the Tears for Fears song "Mad World", which he recorded with Gary Jules for the Donnie Darko soundtrack, and which became a number one single in the UK in Christmas 2003.[1] |
| 16:00.24 | Wobin | man, that's terrible |
| 16:00.35 | Wobin | to be 'best known' for a cover version >< |
| 16:00.54 | Kraps | the only reason i remember the song is because "I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad/the dreams in which I'm dying are the best i ever had/" |
| 16:00.58 | Kraps | :p |
| 16:01.13 | Kraps | thats an epic line right there |
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| 16:01.43 | Shirik_ | is bored |
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| 16:02.21 | Wobin | It's a great song =) |
| 16:02.36 | Fisker | slaps Shirik_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:02.49 | Fisker | home in time for sc2? |
| 16:03.01 | Shirik_ | home today |
| 16:03.10 | Fisker | home in time for sc2? |
| 16:03.32 | Shirik_ | I believe I have already given you sufficient information for an answer |
| 16:03.54 | Fisker | I do not believe so |
| 16:04.00 | Shirik_ | I believe so |
| 16:04.21 | Fisker | I have lulz for you |
| 16:04.23 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/sYlpf.png |
| 16:04.43 | Shirik_ | ... |
| 16:04.48 | Kraps | Wobin: adam lambert recorded a pretty good version |
| 16:04.49 | Shirik_ | is that for real? |
| 16:04.51 | Fisker | yes |
| 16:05.01 | Fisker | Popped up when i tried to order the Blizzcon stream |
| 16:05.02 | Fisker | :D |
| 16:05.09 | Shirik_ | wow |
| 16:05.32 | Wobin | Kraps: It being Adam Lambert, I'm somewhat wary of youtubing it to find out =P |
| 16:05.43 | Kraps | Fisker: didnt firefox used to do that? |
| 16:05.50 | Fisker | idk Kraps |
| 16:06.50 | Kraps | Wobin: cmon hes not that bad :p |
| 16:06.51 | Wobin | Kraps: =( Could he enunciate any less? He sounds like Nelly Furtardo |
| 16:06.58 | Kraps | lol |
| 16:07.37 | Shirik_ | so like |
| 16:07.41 | Shirik_ | is Nelly a girl's or a boy's name? |
| 16:07.47 | Kraps | part of the "breathyness" hes going for i guess |
| 16:07.54 | Shirik_ | more accurately |
| 16:07.57 | Shirik_ | is Nelly really a name? |
| 16:08.16 | alestane | It's a nickname for girls. |
| 16:08.20 | Fisker | Shirik is a brand of catfood |
| 16:08.37 | Shirik_ | but isn't there a male rapper named Nelly? |
| 16:08.50 | Kraps | Shirik "She was named after Soviet gymnast Nellie Kim." |
| 16:09.07 | Wobin | Kraps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0G9vDKcdLg is one of the best uses of that song |
| 16:09.14 | Wobin | kiwi =( |
| 16:09.35 | Shirik_ | ~wiki Nelly |
| 16:09.35 | Kraps | Shirik that guys name is Cornell Haynes, Jr. |
| 16:09.44 | Shirik_ | so why does he call himself Nelly |
| 16:09.51 | Shirik_ | he wants to be a girl? |
| 16:09.53 | Fisker | cornell |
| 16:10.43 | Kraps | stage name yo |
| 16:12.16 | Fisker | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:12.41 | Kraps | Wobin: thats depressing |
| 16:13.11 | Shirik_ | still |
| 16:13.19 | Wobin | Kraps: so is the song =) |
| 16:13.20 | Shirik_ | what if I went up on stage and said my name was Jessica |
| 16:13.28 | Shirik_ | you would think me a moron, no? |
| 16:13.46 | Wobin | Shirik_: and this differs from Nelly... how? |
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| 16:14.48 | Shirik_ | he has a hit song? |
| 16:15.01 | Wobin | You too could have a hit song |
| 16:15.07 | Wobin | and still be thought as a moron |
| 16:15.15 | Wobin | look how well Twilight is going |
| 16:15.41 | Shirik_ | lol |
| 16:16.11 | A-KO | anyone want in a game of LoL? |
| 16:16.30 | Kraps | lol you're it! |
| 16:16.35 | Wobin | rofl |
| 16:16.40 | Wobin | (am I doing it rite?) |
| 16:16.48 | Thunder_Child | A-KO: whats you name? |
| 16:16.51 | Thunder_Child | your* |
| 16:17.02 | Kraps | you're** |
| 16:17.06 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: I believe it's A-KO |
| 16:17.17 | Thunder_Child | kraps: whats you are name? |
| 16:17.25 | Kraps | ^^ |
| 16:18.16 | Kraps | Wobin: TWILIGHT IS AEWSOME |
| 16:18.37 | A-KO | TEAM EDWARD YAAAAAAAAY *squeaky girl voice* |
| 16:19.03 | Kraps | team jacob because werewolves > vampires |
| 16:19.22 | Wobin | goes to bed |
| 16:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik_: question! |
| 16:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik_: does the term folder redirection on the bby mean anything to you? |
| 16:19.42 | Wobin | no, that's a statement |
| 16:20.29 | Shirik_ | does the term mean anything? yes |
| 16:20.35 | Shirik_ | does it exist? I don't know |
| 16:20.44 | Shirik_ | I wouldn't be surprised |
| 16:20.48 | Shirik_ | bby's security is kinda meh |
| 16:21.10 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0xmE70rmzw&NR=1 |
| 16:21.35 | Shirik_ | why, ScytheBlade1 ? |
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| 16:22.28 | batrick | Has anyone tried extracting the Cataclysm torrent from the new Installer.exe? |
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| 16:24.55 | Fisker | Shirik_ |
| 16:25.09 | Shirik_ | Fisker: |
| 16:25.11 | cbreak | batrick: get the mac installer, you can just right click, "Show Package Contents" and you have it :) |
| 16:25.12 | Fisker | you |
| 16:25.23 | cbreak | (of course, the torrent is then for the mac version of the patch) |
| 16:25.38 | Kraps | when did this happen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s |
| 16:27.59 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:28.02 | Fisker | is your name Shirik_ ? |
| 16:28.17 | Shirik_ | yes |
| 16:28.47 | Torhal | stabs Fisker with a __. |
| 16:30.13 | Fisker | sweet |
| 16:30.15 | Jamash | Kraps: Revenge of the Sith? |
| 16:30.33 | Kraps | what happened? |
| 16:30.44 | Jamash | in other news, that scene is where the phrase "Do not want" originated |
| 16:30.48 | Jamash | ... |
| 16:31.04 | Jamash | everything he ever loved died because of him? |
| 16:31.24 | Jamash | feels like he is being trolled. |
| 16:31.45 | Torhal | Is that a taco roll? |
| 16:31.57 | Kraps | no, i havent watched it |
| 16:32.30 | Kraps | i havent watched any of the originals |
| 16:32.52 | Kraps | hands in his nerd card and runs |
| 16:33.10 | ^RaK^ | :'( |
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| 16:33.46 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik__] by ChanServ |
| 16:34.15 | Kraps | hey shirik got another _! |
| 16:34.19 | Shirik__ | yes |
| 16:34.24 | Kraps | grats |
| 16:34.26 | Shirik__ | it's like a promotion |
| 16:36.01 | Jamash___ | WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW |
| 16:36.29 | Kraps | _____'s Jamash___ |
| 16:36.34 | Jamash___ | >.> |
| 16:36.37 | Jamash___ | <.< |
| 16:36.46 | Thunder_Child | Jamash" where is your sanity now? |
| 16:36.47 | Jamash | I'll be good. |
| 16:36.55 | Thunder_Child | s/"/:/ |
| 16:37.06 | Jamash | sanity is a crutch |
| 16:38.31 | Jamash | and now away! |
| 16:39.16 | Shirik__ | just heal while looking away |
| 16:39.18 | Shirik__ | no need for sanity |
| 16:41.09 | ReAn | that beta-key inut bug still present @ battle.net? |
| 16:41.19 | Fisker_______ | yeah i think so ReAn |
| 16:41.39 | ReAn | :( |
| 16:42.06 | nevcairiel | its the weekend |
| 16:42.10 | nevcairiel | people dont work on the weekend |
| 16:42.15 | nevcairiel | is that a new concept? =P |
| 16:42.24 | ReAn | i meant in general nev |
| 16:42.28 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.31 | haste | true story |
| 16:42.32 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 16:42.33 | Fisker | i vælt u |
| 16:42.40 | ReAn | i haven't paid attention since it was announced thier was issues |
| 16:42.44 | ReAn | i dont even remember the day |
| 16:43.01 | haste | Fisker: you can't destroy my plans for tomorrow regardless of our velting! |
| 16:43.14 | haste | also, it's like 2AM soon :( |
| 16:43.23 | nevcairiel | no way, its 7pm |
| 16:43.27 | nevcairiel | move to some sane timezone |
| 16:43.28 | Fisker | sc2? |
| 16:43.34 | haste | lies nevcairiel |
| 16:43.36 | Fisker | where is you haste ? |
| 16:43.45 | haste | tokyo atm |
| 16:43.53 | Fisker | LOL |
| 16:43.57 | Fisker | why? |
| 16:44.14 | haste | because I wnated to get away from europe for a month! |
| 16:44.22 | nevcairiel | he likes japanese girls |
| 16:44.27 | nevcairiel | is why |
| 16:44.33 | haste | I was at wonderfes today! |
| 16:44.47 | haste | aka. figurines, cosplay and ero-stuff |
| 16:45.06 | Fisker | so any weird japanese porn in public yet haste ? |
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| 16:45.41 | haste | some guy was reading some liquid porn at McDonalds like 10min ago! |
| 16:46.41 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yghFBt-fXmw |
| 16:47.15 | Fisker | oh |
| 16:47.25 | Fisker | But you'll buy Starcraft 2 tomorrow right? |
| 16:48.05 | haste | no |
| 16:48.10 | haste | I'll buy it when I get home! |
| 16:48.49 | Morwrath | lol. nice vid. |
| 16:49.26 | cbreak | autotune sucks so much |
| 16:49.45 | cbreak | does no one else hear the artefacts? |
| 16:50.32 | Morwrath | Normally people hearing voices take medication... have you beent aking yours? |
| 16:50.52 | cbreak | voices? |
| 16:50.53 | Kraps | cbreak: tinkywinky is an expert |
| 16:51.00 | cbreak | that's for people who speak with other people |
| 16:54.19 | Morwrath | What do yout hink it means when my monitor keeps turning off and on and the light keeps flashing repeatidly then when it comes back on theres a bunch of pixels turning blue or purple? |
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| 16:55.50 | Ressy | your graphics card is dying, or your monitor's overheating. |
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| 16:56.39 | Morwrath | if it was a graphics card issue would it be doing it across all my displays ? |
| 16:56.49 | Morwrath | This is onyl happening on 1 of my monitors |
| 16:57.13 | Ressy | monitor might be overheating. I've had it happen before. |
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| 17:02.34 | Morwrath | yeah I'm pretty sure this montior is going bad. Right now its turning every black pixel blue |
| 17:02.39 | Torhal | Morwrath: COuld be a short in the cable to that monitor. |
| 17:03.39 | Morwrath | I've already replaced the cable hmmm but I can try another one |
| 17:04.24 | Morwrath | I could try VGA instead to see if it's having problems with just DVI |
| 17:06.07 | Kraps | huh, Ciderhelm was in the marines |
| 17:06.46 | Kraps | however |
| 17:06.55 | Kraps | "I had an honorable medical discharge due to a training accident. |
| 17:06.57 | Kraps | " |
| 17:07.13 | Morwrath | Happens. |
| 17:08.06 | Morwrath | The Marines have you do some crazy shit that definitely stresses your bones / body right when you get there. |
| 17:08.40 | Dagmar | It would be more interesting if he put quotes around "training" |
| 17:09.18 | Morwrath | Where are your eading that from, Kraps? |
| 17:09.39 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoMOjLwFje0&videos=PkR9qT5NVvw |
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| 17:15.45 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 17:15.47 | Fisker | not so hey sylvanaar |
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| 17:18.03 | Kraps | darth vader's no is kinda addictive |
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| 17:23.17 | Dagmar | Holy crap we're getting rocket races? lol |
| 17:25.14 | mikma | so |
| 17:25.37 | mikma | what's this deal with Recuperate |
| 17:26.02 | Kraps | ~dict Recuperate |
| 17:26.33 | mikma | anyone tested it properly? |
| 17:28.27 | mitchnull | so, is it worth getting back to wow after a 2 year break for cata? :) |
| 17:28.56 | Kraps | War is coming. At midnight on July 27, 2010 interplanetary conflict will ignite anew, as StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™ hits shelves at retail locations throughout the world. |
| 17:29.15 | nevcairiel | not war again =( |
| 17:29.19 | Kraps | mitchnull: i would say yes |
| 17:29.39 | Kraps | nevcairiel: cant we all just get along |
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| 17:32.44 | mitchnull | btw, what happens with molten core? does it get rewamped to a level 85 raid or it stays the same? or dropped completely? |
| 17:32.55 | nevcairiel | ~8ball |
| 17:32.56 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Yes |
| 17:33.39 | durcyn | it's unchanged |
| 17:33.52 | nevcairiel | for now |
| 17:34.05 | durcyn | maybe they'll pull a kazzak on it |
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| 17:34.50 | durcyn | and by that i mean replace it with some obscure thing from lore, then screw up the spawn so it never actually shows up :| |
| 17:35.09 | nevcairiel | whats wrong with the new kazzak? |
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| 17:36.08 | durcyn | nothing. kruul was bugged for a long while though |
| 17:38.57 | olafski | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:39.57 | AbsolutRayne | Afternoon |
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| 17:44.18 | mikma | oh, there's the reason |
| 17:44.28 | mikma | Deadly Momentum 2/2 |
| 17:44.29 | mikma | imba! |
| 17:48.39 | Fisker | Deadly Farts 2/2 |
| 17:49.26 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 17:49.27 | Fisker | still here? |
| 17:50.33 | Fisker | Shirik__ |
| 17:54.23 | Shirik__ | no |
| 17:56.47 | Shirik__ | why does every unblock request on wikipedia's email list start with "I am very suprised at this as i do not know how and where this happend. i have never set up or edited a wiki page before!" |
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| 17:57.32 | foxlit | stop banning random people, Shirik. |
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| 18:02.38 | Fisker | why do they care Shirik__ ? |
| 18:02.49 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26262577220/party-frames-fail-version-of-grid/ <-btw Shirik__ |
| 18:03.06 | Fisker | i was actually falsely accused of vandalism!1 |
| 18:03.22 | Fisker | i had lost my static IP |
| 18:03.37 | Fisker | and when i visited wikipedia i had new changes to my talk |
| 18:03.40 | Fisker | and i was like O_o |
| 18:03.54 | batrick | has anyone had success with torrenting the cumulative cata patch outside of blizzards downloader? |
| 18:03.59 | Fisker | then i requested this shirik guy for an unblock |
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| 18:07.29 | Shirik__ | and then he was all like nah |
| 18:07.30 | Shirik__ | fu |
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| 18:07.44 | Fisker | naw |
| 18:07.50 | Fisker | but my link is awesome right Shirik__ ? |
| 18:08.01 | Shirik__ | did not click |
| 18:08.12 | Fisker | do it |
| 18:08.13 | Fisker | DO ITN OW |
| 18:08.17 | Fisker | IT NOW* |
| 18:08.25 | Shirik__ | nah |
| 18:08.28 | Shirik__ | there is no SC2 in the link |
| 18:08.38 | Fisker | it contains win |
| 18:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.imagehut.net/images/vlk23feslzv2gg4v8.jpg |
| 18:09.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik__: just curious. they gave me a bby, and I had to find folder redirection before my email would come in |
| 18:13.29 | mikma | dudes... |
| 18:13.31 | mikma | really! |
| 18:13.35 | mikma | The Bears Up There |
| 18:13.42 | mikma | the BEST QUEST EVER!!!! |
| 18:13.50 | Fisker | no |
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| 18:13.52 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 18:13.54 | Fisker | i told you that quest is unbearable |
| 18:14.07 | Fisker | get it? |
| 18:14.07 | mikma | and i don't give a fuck what internet troll says to me |
| 18:14.11 | Fisker | UNBEARABLE |
| 18:14.31 | nevcairiel | mikma: is that the bear throwing quest? |
| 18:14.35 | nevcairiel | that was fun |
| 18:14.46 | Fisker | i find it unBEARable |
| 18:14.54 | mikma | nevcairiel: yeah, that |
| 18:15.07 | Shirik__ | Seerah is a cuddly bear |
| 18:15.13 | Seerah | I am? :) |
| 18:15.18 | Shirik__ | yes |
| 18:15.35 | Seerah | sweet |
| 18:15.42 | nevcairiel | so we throw her off tree tops as well? |
| 18:15.48 | Fisker | i wish |
| 18:19.00 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: awesome shirt |
| 18:19.05 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: aye |
| 18:20.19 | Kraps | Fisker: if you say it a few more times it might be less funny and people will comment on it |
| 18:23.37 | Maldivia | SB1: yeah, really cool shirt :P |
| 18:24.17 | Shirik__ | wat |
| 18:24.25 | Shirik__ | nevcairiel: why would you want to throw Seerah off a treetop :( |
| 18:24.37 | Kraps | someone tell my nephews that they should stay outside |
| 18:24.51 | Seerah | Kraps: is it a nice day? |
| 18:24.59 | Seerah | :) |
| 18:25.12 | nevcairiel | Shirik__: because thats what we do with cuddly bears |
| 18:25.16 | Kraps | just because their uncle is a socially inept shut-in doesnt mean they should be as well |
| 18:25.26 | Dagmar | There's an idea |
| 18:25.31 | Dagmar | Tell them their uncle has been drinking. |
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| 18:26.05 | Kraps | 23 is a little young to have a drinking problem no? |
| 18:26.22 | Seerah | Kraps: not necessarily... |
| 18:26.28 | Kraps | lol |
| 18:26.41 | Seerah | but any age is too young to have a drinking problem! |
| 18:26.49 | Seerah | (/me points to kids) |
| 18:26.59 | DesertDwarf | A bottle of a diet cola in one hand a a can of Mountain Dew in the other. That's a drinking problem. |
| 18:27.08 | Shirik__ | Kraps: Their uncle is 23? |
| 18:27.16 | Seerah | Kraps is 23. |
| 18:27.21 | Kraps | ^ |
| 18:27.22 | Seerah | he is their uncle |
| 18:27.27 | Shirik__ | you have nephews? |
| 18:27.28 | Shirik__ | wtf |
| 18:27.34 | Shirik__ | I feel so old now |
| 18:27.37 | Kraps | hello mcfly! |
| 18:27.48 | Shirik__ | also |
| 18:27.49 | Shirik__ | get them to play wow |
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| 18:27.55 | Dagmar | Drinking and playing with a gun. Better if the kids stay out of sight |
| 18:28.01 | Seerah | no, he doesn't *want* them to be socially inept shutins |
| 18:28.13 | Shirik__ | why not? |
| 18:28.18 | DesertDwarf | When I was a 7 year old, I had a neighbor friend my age who was uncle to a 22 year old. |
| 18:28.37 | Kraps | ponders Shirik's question |
| 18:28.56 | Seerah | DesertDwarf: I had a friend who, as a teenager, used to babysit her 2 and 3 year old aunt and uncle |
| 18:29.05 | Shirik__ | ow |
| 18:29.10 | Kraps | lol |
| 18:29.53 | Kraps | a close friend has a nephew just 2 years younger than him |
| 18:30.14 | Kraps | hes in my brothers grade |
| 18:30.16 | DesertDwarf | Very possible whem mom doesn't mind becoming a mom all over again. Meanwhile, her kids had kids before she had a new kid. |
| 18:30.48 | Seerah | there are also the kids who are adopted by their grandparents. their aunts/uncles are their brothers/sisters |
| 18:31.05 | DesertDwarf | Oy. |
| 18:31.11 | DesertDwarf | That are confusing. |
| 18:31.25 | Seerah | anyway, Kraps, is there something you can bribe them with to get them to go play outside? |
| 18:31.28 | Adys | ~ping |
| 18:31.29 | purl | ~pong |
| 18:31.42 | Seerah | ice cream later, you pull them on a skateboard.... |
| 18:31.52 | Kraps | Seerah: no, i leave the bribes to my parents |
| 18:32.10 | Shirik__ | I have an idea |
| 18:32.21 | Shirik__ | get a long extension cord and set up wow outside |
| 18:32.22 | Fisker | almost only 24 hours Shirik__ |
| 18:32.28 | Fisker | do you understand that? |
| 18:33.27 | Shirik__ | ........................................................... |
| 18:33.37 | Shirik__ | someone in this airport has a phone that rings the Kim Possible tone |
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| 18:33.51 | Seerah | you know what the Kim Possible song is? |
| 18:33.59 | Dagmar | clearly they're a terrorist |
| 18:34.35 | Dagmar | ...and in about ten minutes, Shirik will probably find a good reason to use SSL for IRC |
| 18:35.02 | Shirik__ | hm |
| 18:35.06 | Shirik__ | A while ago I was on an encrypted VPN |
| 18:35.10 | Shirik__ | I got off it though |
| 18:35.29 | Kraps | where you going Shirik? |
| 18:35.35 | nevcairiel | I use ssl for irc just because i can |
| 18:35.38 | Shirik__ | I was on vacation last week |
| 18:35.48 | Shirik__ | for some definition of "vacation" |
| 18:38.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik__: which airport? |
| 18:39.26 | Shirik__ | where am I or where am I going? |
| 18:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | both |
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| 18:39.56 | nevcairiel | sees sbo leaving some briefcase unattended at the destination airport |
| 18:39.57 | Shirik__ | KBWI -> KDEN -> KPDX |
| 18:40.09 | Shirik__ | it's true |
| 18:40.09 | ScytheBlade1 | meh, none of the ones I'll be at |
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| 18:40.29 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 18:40.41 | ScytheBlade1 | To use your crazy conventions |
| 18:40.50 | ScytheBlade1 | KSLC --> KEWR for me tonight |
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| 18:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll land at 11:30 =.= |
| 18:41.34 | Shirik__ | sounds like me! |
| 18:41.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to be awake and functional at 7:30 |
| 18:42.28 | Shirik__ | sounds like me! |
| 18:42.43 | Cide | there you are nubface |
| 18:42.45 | Cide | why are you so afk |
| 18:43.04 | ScytheBlade1 | so |
| 18:43.10 | ScytheBlade1 | there are already SC2 videos online |
| 18:43.14 | ScytheBlade1 | namely the final campaign video |
| 18:43.21 | Fisker | old ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:43.37 | Fisker | It's from the CE cinematics dvd |
| 18:43.40 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 18:48.49 | Shirik__ | hey ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:48.55 | Shirik__ | I don't have a boarding pass btw! |
| 18:49.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I do! |
| 18:49.05 | Shirik__ | they sent it to my blackberry |
| 18:49.12 | Shirik__ | and I scanned my blackberry at the security checkpoint |
| 18:49.20 | Shirik__ | and then at the gate |
| 18:49.31 | Fisker | lol blackberry |
| 18:49.40 | Fisker | it's like 100 times worse than the iphone |
| 18:49.47 | Shirik__ | except it's actually usable |
| 18:49.54 | ScytheBlade1 | LOL |
| 18:49.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Go ahead, find folder redirection |
| 18:50.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I DARE YOU |
| 18:50.14 | Shirik__ | lol |
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| 18:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Then tell me how that labeling makes any sense at all |
| 18:52.09 | Shirik__ | gotta go board plane |
| 18:52.11 | Shirik__ | will check later |
| 18:53.37 | Kraps | Will of the Necropolis is OP |
| 18:54.04 | zenzelezz | how can a necropolis have a will in the first place? Are they sentient? |
| 18:54.32 | foxlit | "will of a city"? |
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| 18:54.42 | foxlit | As a collection of zombies, perhaps. |
| 18:55.43 | zenzelezz | so in essence it should be renamed Braaaains |
| 18:55.50 | zenzelezz | that sounds cooler too! |
| 18:55.55 | Kraps | is currently listening to %bThunder_Child - WTF%b |
| 18:56.01 | zenzelezz | o_O |
| 18:56.11 | Kraps | gah blew it |
| 18:56.17 | zenzelezz | it would seem like you did |
| 18:56.31 | Kraps | %b test %b |
| 18:56.36 | Kraps | ... |
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| 18:56.51 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.07 | Kraps | GGGG |
| 18:58.05 | Fisker | u Kraps |
| 18:58.12 | Kraps | me Kraps |
| 18:58.40 | Kraps | what you say? |
| 18:59.31 | zenzelezz | main screen turn on |
| 19:00.02 | Fisker | u Kraps |
| 19:00.15 | Kraps | we get message |
| 19:00.28 | Fisker | message is "fuck you" |
| 19:00.29 | Fisker | :3 |
| 19:00.56 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 19:01.05 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 19:01.06 | Kraps | all your base are belong to us |
| 19:01.10 | Fisker | yes |
| 19:03.58 | zenzelezz | don't know if anyone in here follows F1 racing, but this comment about today's race amuses me... "A resigned Felipe Massa summed up his German GP best when he told the post-race press conference "pass please", which is pretty much what Ferrari told him." |
| 19:12.04 | tem | oh god |
| 19:12.13 | tem | I just read wowhead's description of the Lich King fight |
| 19:12.33 | tem | the heroic section is very badly inaccurate |
| 19:14.34 | cbreak | tem: I heard if you have engineering rogues in your party you get banned |
| 19:15.02 | Fisker | i will grant you a swift dead tem |
| 19:15.15 | Fisker | not anymore cbreak |
| 19:15.19 | Fisker | death btw |
| 19:16.51 | jnwhiteh | Yssaril: you're welcome to help improve the formatting or layout or content. I'd love any help. |
| 19:17.47 | Yssaril | ???? |
| 19:18.31 | jnwhiteh | wowprogramming.com |
| 19:18.48 | jnwhiteh | you mentioned earlier that you think wowwiki is a bit better formatted, and I'd love suggestions =) |
| 19:19.04 | Yssaril | ohhh that |
| 19:20.05 | zenzelezz | I used to think so, but for the most part I've come to prefer the wowprogramming look |
| 19:20.14 | Yssaril | color code comments in a different color than code would help with examples |
| 19:20.19 | jnwhiteh | it is most certainly not perfect |
| 19:20.22 | Yssaril | like here http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetBackdrop |
| 19:20.36 | jnwhiteh | The heading 'examples' doesn't give it away? =) |
| 19:20.56 | Yssaril | no i mean the comments within the code |
| 19:21.06 | jnwhiteh | oh, that's semantic information |
| 19:21.16 | jnwhiteh | its just a <pre><code> block |
| 19:21.16 | Yssaril | that stuff yea :P |
| 19:21.25 | jnwhiteh | so you want syntax highlighting in code blocks |
| 19:21.28 | jnwhiteh | that's gonna take a bit |
| 19:21.30 | jnwhiteh | but I'd like to do it. |
| 19:21.41 | Dagmar | Some slightly complex javascript I'm thinkin |
| 19:21.44 | zenzelezz | aren't there several "drop-in" libraries for that? |
| 19:21.55 | jnwhiteh | zenzelezz: yes, and for examples I can do that fairly easily |
| 19:22.10 | jnwhiteh | for any other code blocks on the site there's no 100% indication if a 'block of code' is Lua code or not. |
| 19:22.35 | Dagmar | eh? What other language would it be in? |
| 19:22.41 | Yssaril | xml |
| 19:22.42 | jnwhiteh | XML? |
| 19:22.43 | jnwhiteh | for example? |
| 19:22.46 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 19:23.02 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 19:25.39 | Dagmar | Oh lord... there's this "shed-vac |
| 19:26.26 | Dagmar | er "shed-vac" commercial on, and they were talking about "even tempermental cats enjoy the massaging action of the shed-vac". The cat, on the other hand, clearly had an "I'm going to kill this bitch when she goes to sleep tonight" look in his eyes |
| 19:27.55 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 19:32.16 | jnwhiteh | Yssaril: like this: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetBackdrop |
| 19:32.59 | Yssaril | love it (exept for that green bar at the top |
| 19:33.07 | jnwhiteh | fixing that |
| 19:33.54 | cbreak | oh, nice security hole |
| 19:34.02 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: ? |
| 19:34.25 | cbreak | dns rebinding + java script allows random web pages to change your router settings |
| 19:34.29 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 19:34.29 | jnwhiteh | wow. |
| 19:34.53 | Fisker | >:3? |
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| 19:37.10 | DesertDwarf | jnwhiteh: Browsing wowprogramming.com more seriously than I did before (I only started writing my first addon about two weeks ago). I found a typo "wowinterface.co.." on the page http://wowprogramming.com/utils |
| 19:38.02 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 19:38.24 | Cide | it's a wiki, fix it! |
| 19:38.32 | jnwhiteh | he can't edit THAT page =) |
| 19:38.36 | Cide | oh |
| 19:38.38 | Cide | weaksauce |
| 19:38.38 | jnwhiteh | tho maybe I should open those pages up |
| 19:38.40 | jnwhiteh | certainly could |
| 19:39.04 | Cide | as long as people don't self-plug their semi-useful tools I don't see it being an issue |
| 19:39.11 | jnwhiteh | spam is an issue |
| 19:39.14 | A-KO | holy shit it got dark out |
| 19:39.14 | jnwhiteh | if I'm away |
| 19:39.16 | jnwhiteh | but yeah |
| 19:39.18 | Cide | ah :( |
| 19:39.36 | Cide | auto-spam or human spam? |
| 19:39.41 | jnwhiteh | human |
| 19:39.42 | Cide | s/auto/bot/ |
| 19:39.46 | jnwhiteh | auto-spam doesn't work well on sputnik =) |
| 19:40.01 | Cide | was gonna suggest captchas but nvm then |
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| 19:40.16 | jnwhiteh | I've only have 7 attempts since the site started |
| 19:40.19 | jnwhiteh | due to how tough it is =) |
| 19:40.25 | jnwhiteh | just not worth it for someone to do it |
| 19:40.31 | Cide | that's nice |
| 19:40.39 | jnwhiteh | honeypots and field hashing == awesome |
| 19:40.52 | nevcairiel | mmm honey |
| 19:41.46 | DesertDwarf | Crud. No Kindle edition. |
| 19:42.26 | Cide | create read update delete? |
| 19:42.26 | jnwhiteh | allow(Authenticated, edit_and_save) |
| 19:42.26 | jnwhiteh | deny(is.banned, edit_and_save) |
| 19:42.35 | jnwhiteh | there, now anyone authenticated can edit that page =) |
| 19:42.42 | Cide | awesome |
| 19:42.47 | Cide | now fix it, DesertDwarf! |
| 19:42.55 | DesertDwarf | OK. (Gotta sign up.) |
| 19:43.15 | jnwhiteh | Sputnik permissions are <3 |
| 19:43.34 | zenzelezz | that's not a lot of permissions |
| 19:43.44 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 19:43.48 | jnwhiteh | whatcha mean? |
| 19:44.00 | zenzelezz | between 0 and 2 permissions |
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| 19:44.30 | jnwhiteh | http://luanova.org/authentication-based-permission-groups-in-sputnik/ that's a good article about implementing a 'banned' user class in Sputnik =) |
| 19:44.57 | DesertDwarf | jnhiteh: OK if I linkify that text directly to the WoWLua downlaod? |
| 19:45.00 | DesertDwarf | *download |
| 19:45.35 | jnwhiteh | DesertDwarf: which do you mean? |
| 19:45.36 | zenzelezz | these are sad times when people don't recognise "less than three" jokes |
| 19:45.50 | DesertDwarf | Never mind. I was being dumb. |
| 19:46.52 | DesertDwarf | Cide: Fixed. :-) |
| 19:47.44 | jnwhiteh | DesertDwarf: thanks =) |
| 19:48.38 | DesertDwarf | jnwhiteh: No, thank you! By the way, is there an ebook edition available? I'm not a paper book kinda guy and haven't been for about 10 years. |
| 19:48.47 | jnwhiteh | not for the second edition |
| 19:48.52 | jnwhiteh | tho a kindle version is available for the first edition |
| 19:49.00 | jnwhiteh | I haven't heard word from the publisher on the new one |
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| 19:49.27 | DesertDwarf | Well, on Amazon a few minutes, I used the link that told Amazon to tell the publisher that I want a Kindle edition. |
| 19:49.30 | Cide | the first edition is superior anyway |
| 19:49.33 | Cide | 'cause I'm in it |
| 19:49.37 | DesertDwarf | Hehe |
| 19:49.53 | DesertDwarf | So, they edited you out? |
| 19:50.02 | jnwhiteh | did I? |
| 19:50.04 | Cide | well I was credited as a technical editor for the first one |
| 19:50.10 | DesertDwarf | Ahh. |
| 19:50.14 | jnwhiteh | ah yes |
| 19:50.14 | Cide | I don't have the second one at hand |
| 19:50.19 | jnwhiteh | well Iriel did all the tech editing for the second one |
| 19:50.23 | jnwhiteh | so he's the only credited TE |
| 19:50.28 | Cide | figured as much :) |
| 19:50.29 | jnwhiteh | not entirely true |
| 19:50.32 | jnwhiteh | MentalPower did a bit as well |
| 19:50.36 | jnwhiteh | and wrote something for me, afaik |
| 19:50.38 | Cide | that's a lot of TE by one person! |
| 19:50.40 | jnwhiteh | hard to remember at this point |
| 19:50.43 | Cide | or 1.5 |
| 19:50.44 | jnwhiteh | yeah, it was |
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| 19:50.56 | Cide | remember the initial API sprint? |
| 19:50.59 | Cide | that was fun times |
| 19:51.05 | DesertDwarf | But, doesn't any of Cide's TE-ing from the 1st edition still apply? It's not like you replaced everything, did you? |
| 19:51.07 | jnwhiteh | was it |
| 19:51.10 | jnwhiteh | I remember things differently =) |
| 19:51.13 | Cide | no... not at all |
| 19:51.16 | Cide | fuck that shit |
| 19:51.22 | jnwhiteh | DesertDwarf: yes, the work he did previously was still valid in the second book, in principle. |
| 19:51.24 | Kraps | kd3: ping |
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| 19:51.53 | A-KO | is it just me or is lightning cool to anyone else? |
| 19:51.53 | Cide | I didn't do much TE-ing really |
| 19:51.59 | A-KO | except if it blows up my computer.. |
| 19:52.08 | Cide | like a chapter on the secure api iirc |
| 19:52.13 | batrick | wonders when Python will go the way of Java. |
| 19:52.17 | DesertDwarf | A-KO: Cool to the eyes? Yes. Cool to the touch? No. |
| 19:52.18 | Cide | pretty sure that's entirely overshadowed |
| 19:52.27 | Cide | batrick, never? |
| 19:52.33 | batrick | why do you say that |
| 19:52.38 | Yssaril | A-KO: http://wimp.com/lightningslowed/ :) |
| 19:52.39 | Cide | why do you say the contrary? |
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| 19:53.08 | batrick | because of noticable similarities |
| 19:53.14 | kd3 | huhs at an Xorg crash |
| 19:53.16 | ZorbaTHut | python was never as marketed as java was |
| 19:53.18 | mikma | lol, shadowed is over himself |
| 19:53.21 | Cide | like not focused entirely on OO? |
| 19:53.27 | ZorbaTHut | python should be relatively immune to the backlash |
| 19:53.31 | batrick | paradigms aside |
| 19:53.38 | DesertDwarf | Yssaril: That's awesome! |
| 19:53.50 | Cide | what is there about java besides overparadigmisation |
| 19:53.57 | Cide | no, that's totally a word. |
| 19:54.31 | Yssaril | DesertDwarf: that whole vid covers ~0.3 sec |
| 19:54.31 | cloudwolf | D: blizzard still hasn't fixed their end yay! oh wait boo.... also lol at ghost crawlers forum post |
| 19:55.06 | zenzelezz | a good language shouldn't need to be marketed |
| 19:55.28 | Cide | how the fuck do you market a language? |
| 19:55.38 | Fisker | thank you for participating in the beta cloudwolf |
| 19:55.50 | Cide | unless you're a corporation (*cough* sun) and want people to use your creation |
| 19:56.07 | zenzelezz | was just commenting on ZorbaTHut's comment |
| 19:56.08 | cloudwolf | Lol my participation in the beta partakes in forcibly ramming my beta code into battle.net repeatedly until it works :D |
| 19:56.09 | Dagmar | Cide: Well, you start by tacking an unrelated, yet exciting word to it's name, like "Rails" or "Boost" or "EXXXTREME!" |
| 19:56.10 | Kraps | fiskers mad |
| 19:56.23 | Cide | those are separate frameworks |
| 19:56.27 | Cide | with separate names |
| 19:56.30 | Cide | I don't see how that's marketing |
| 19:56.32 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 19:57.00 | Kraps | denial is futile |
| 19:57.12 | Kraps | it rhymes |
| 19:57.48 | Cide | heh, osu is a kinda cute game |
| 20:00.54 | kd3 | sighs |
| 20:01.05 | kd3 | "Here Fishie Fishie 2: Eel-Egg-Trick Boogaloo" |
| 20:01.14 | kd3 | how long has some depraved quest designer been sitting on that? |
| 20:02.19 | alestane | Uncomfortably long, I'm sure. |
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| 20:06.14 | Fisker | here kd3 |
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| 20:16.48 | Fisker | you just got stopped Tuller |
| 20:17.05 | Tuller | huh? |
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| 20:18.54 | Fisker | stop'd |
| 20:21.45 | Tuller | and yet i'm still confused |
| 20:22.29 | Fisker | you would be |
| 20:23.13 | Fisker | only a bit over 24 hours remaining Tuller |
| 20:23.39 | Tuller | hourish? |
| 20:24.04 | Tuller | actually dayish is that calculation |
| 20:25.37 | Tuller | either way, confused :P |
| 20:25.45 | Fisker | no |
| 20:25.57 | Tuller | yes |
| 20:27.09 | Fisker | no |
| 20:29.04 | Zyn | fires his rage-laser at fisk |
| 20:29.11 | Zyn | errrrrrrrrrr |
| 20:30.35 | Tuller | that's not quite what I would consider a laser sound |
| 20:32.17 | Fisker | i am tired Zyn |
| 20:32.20 | Fisker | DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN |
| 20:32.36 | Fisker | yay |
| 20:32.47 | Fisker | jerkface fixed that bug in mirc |
| 20:32.57 | Fisker | if you had a tab highlighted while writing in it, it would lag |
| 20:38.32 | jimmybaker | is there a place where I can find documentation on how to add layers with lua instead of xml? |
| 20:39.20 | Cide | argh |
| 20:39.47 | Cide | this is interesting |
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| 20:41.13 | Cide | so you can initialize const members in initialization lists right |
| 20:41.38 | Cide | so you do Foo:Foo() : x_(GetX()) {}; // can GetX() initialize other const members also? |
| 20:41.49 | Cide | 'cause it seems I am, and msvc is not complaining |
| 20:44.39 | Kraps | alien swarm is hard |
| 20:45.04 | Cide | it's fun |
| 20:45.09 | Cide | gotta play it on MP |
| 20:47.12 | ReAn | the beta launcher for anyone else exploding? |
| 20:47.14 | cloudwolf | Meh the hardest part about it is th parasites |
| 20:47.28 | cloudwolf | ReAn some one had the issue too. right click the shortcut and select run as admin |
| 20:47.36 | cloudwolf | or go to the folder and launch from the exe there |
| 20:48.09 | cloudwolf | parasites are the worst because only healing can let you survive |
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| 20:48.27 | cloudwolf | everything else is just hoping you don't run outa ammo or tk lol |
| 20:48.49 | ReAn | HAHAHAHA |
| 20:48.53 | ReAn | omg let me upload this pic |
| 20:48.55 | ReAn | you'll all love it |
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| 20:50.58 | cloudwolf | hmm? |
| 20:51.11 | ReAn | http://i30.tinypic.com/2mxnay1.jpg |
| 20:52.07 | cloudwolf | whuut the hell |
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| 20:52.25 | cloudwolf | the blue claws are epic |
| 20:52.26 | ReAn | nelf skin got applied to my worgen |
| 20:52.29 | ReAn | :) |
| 20:52.30 | cloudwolf | the face is LOL |
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| 20:53.39 | Fisker | i didn't like it ReAn |
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| 20:54.00 | ReAn | Fisker, you're a negative nancy |
| 20:54.01 | cloudwolf | ya party poope fisker |
| 20:54.07 | Fisker | yes i am |
| 20:54.08 | cloudwolf | *pooper blargh |
| 20:54.10 | cloudwolf | can't spell |
| 20:54.23 | cloudwolf | Right now blizzard is my party pooper FIX YO BATTLE.NET GOD DAMMIT! |
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| 20:54.36 | ReAn | let's see if they fixed the whale shark last patch |
| 20:54.40 | Cide | I beat you, C++, I beat you |
| 20:55.19 | cloudwolf | how was the whaleshark broken? |
| 20:55.21 | Dagmar | "Whale Shark: The only thing missing is rabies." |
| 20:55.27 | cloudwolf | also i saw a video with a guy attacking the whale shark lol |
| 20:55.49 | Adys | ~ping |
| 20:55.50 | purl | ~pong |
| 20:55.53 | Fisker | cloudwolf |
| 20:55.55 | ReAn | WOAH |
| 20:56.00 | Fisker | thank you for participating in the cataclysm beta |
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| 20:56.07 | ReAn | did they half the exp needed to level? |
| 20:56.24 | Fisker | they lowered 80 and 81 |
| 20:56.27 | Fisker | and raised 82 and 83 |
| 20:56.33 | ReAn | ah |
| 20:56.34 | Fisker | i believe |
| 20:56.35 | ReAn | good |
| 20:56.44 | ReAn | cuz i was like around 1/2 thru and i just leveled now |
| 20:56.51 | ReAn | and went: WTF?! |
| 20:58.20 | Cide | scratch that |
| 20:58.26 | Cide | you beat me, C++, you beat me. |
| 20:58.58 | cloudwolf | Fisker why do you keep saying that to me D: |
| 20:59.27 | Fisker | because of this cloudwolf |
| 20:59.37 | Cide | WHY DO YOU HATE ME |
| 20:59.37 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26262867338/quality-of-beta-posts/ http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26262577220/party-frames-fail-version-of-grid/ |
| 21:00.14 | Cide | oh snap |
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| 21:00.40 | cloudwolf | And i havn't done any testing :D |
| 21:02.16 | ReAn | whale shark still a big jerk |
| 21:02.33 | Cide | fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'boost/shared_ptr.hpp': No such file or directory |
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| 21:02.38 | Cide | WHAT IS THIS SHIT |
| 21:02.42 | Cide | Adys help me |
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| 21:03.18 | Dagmar | Fisker: That's why they should let us put in a freetext field on our beta app... So they can see who is literate and who's a useless jackass (and I'd be getting a beta key) |
| 21:03.22 | Adys | ? |
| 21:03.55 | Dagmar | Cide: You['re missing a processed header for boost |
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| 21:04.01 | ^RaK^ | they get about 10 beta testers |
| 21:04.02 | Cide | except I have it |
| 21:04.07 | abra | cide! |
| 21:04.09 | Dagmar | Where's it at? |
| 21:04.12 | Cide | oh, sec |
| 21:04.13 | abra | just the man i wanted to see |
| 21:04.14 | Cide | let me try something |
| 21:04.29 | Cide | maybe I need to specify it in the linker for both projects |
| 21:04.29 | Dagmar | 'cuz if you have it, you may well just be missing an -I field |
| 21:04.37 | Cide | instead of only the one using it |
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| 21:04.46 | Dagmar | Yep, prolly so. |
| 21:05.27 | Cide | low-level programming feels so volatile |
| 21:06.00 | Cide | abra, just ask and someone will answer |
| 21:06.06 | Cide | if you're lucky |
| 21:06.10 | abra | if i have table={jim, john, jack, joe} and name = jerry.. if not table[name] then -- that should work, no? |
| 21:06.26 | Cide | nope |
| 21:06.39 | Cide | it works but not the way you think it does |
| 21:06.55 | abra | oh, im having problems because of that misunderstanding internally |
| 21:07.06 | Cide | table[name] looks up if the key exists, not if the value exists |
| 21:07.16 | Cide | your table's keys are 1, 2, 3, 4, your values are jim, john, jack, joe |
| 21:07.20 | abra | table[1] = jim |
| 21:07.34 | Cide | table[jerry] looks to see if table[jerry] exists |
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| 21:07.39 | cloudwolf | lua> local tabl={"jim","john","jack","joe"} local name="jerry" if not tabl[name] print(name.." is not a key") end |
| 21:07.39 | lua_bot | cloudwolf: luabot:1: 'then' expected near 'print' |
| 21:07.43 | cloudwolf | meh |
| 21:07.45 | Dagmar | Cide: wait, what? |
| 21:07.48 | Cide | not if there is a number for which table[number] == jerry |
| 21:07.54 | cloudwolf | lua> local tabl={"jim","john","jack","joe"} local name="jerry" if not tabl[name] then print(name.." is not a key") end |
| 21:07.54 | lua_bot | cloudwolf: jerry is not a key |
| 21:07.58 | Cide | Dagmar, hm? |
| 21:07.59 | Dagmar | I thought it simply returned the value of that key |
| 21:08.03 | Cide | it does |
| 21:08.21 | Dagmar | Okay so that's actually a little more heavyweight than say, perl's exists() directive |
| 21:08.25 | Cide | yep |
| 21:08.33 | Cide | but since he's casting it to a bool (not table[key]) it's more or less an exists check |
| 21:08.35 | Cide | with some nuances |
| 21:08.44 | Dagmar | Oh yeah they're close enough |
| 21:08.45 | Cide | like if the value is false or nil it gives the wrong result |
| 21:08.54 | Cide | well nil means it doesn't exist |
| 21:09.25 | Cide | Dagmar, however since you just get the reference I'm not sure how much heavyweight it is |
| 21:09.43 | Cide | I guess maybe it has to look up the value too because of false |
| 21:09.56 | Cide | otherwise it could short-circuit |
| 21:10.30 | abra | so im populating the table in a loop, table[i] = variablestring |
| 21:10.43 | abra | then i want to do something if name isnt in the table. |
| 21:10.55 | Dagmar | So long as he doesn't ever do that to a table containing bools |
| 21:10.59 | abra | thats what we're talking about right? |
| 21:11.06 | Cide | yes |
| 21:11.43 | Cide | do you realize the distinction between keys and values? |
| 21:12.04 | Dagmar | Cide: Yeah, basically perl's exists() skips the copy step and simply returns a boolean value |
| 21:12.28 | Cide | yeah, but there is no copy in lua so it should be more or less equivalent |
| 21:12.35 | Cide | slightly slower maybe |
| 21:12.48 | Dagmar | I have the feeling there's a copy involved somewhere |
| 21:13.00 | Cide | the table just contains references to the values |
| 21:13.17 | A-KO | man, Ryze in LoL is a bad ass |
| 21:13.24 | Cide | it has to do a boolean evaluation of that reference, i.e. check if it references false or not |
| 21:13.47 | Dagmar | Oh wait that's right, lua and threads are lol. Yeah I suppose no copy needed then |
| 21:14.02 | Cide | A-KO, the game is called LoL, you have no point |
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| 21:15.37 | abra | http://paste.wowace.com/2261/ |
| 21:15.38 | abra | there |
| 21:15.45 | abra | i think im doing it properly.. but im not. |
| 21:15.56 | Cide | <Cide> do you realize the distinction between keys and values? |
| 21:16.02 | abra | .... |
| 21:16.04 | abra | jesus. |
| 21:16.16 | abra | could i have gotten this far if i didnt? |
| 21:16.18 | abra | look at the code. |
| 21:16.38 | Cide | if you stop being so defensive when I'm trying to teach you maybe I'll continue doing so in the future |
| 21:16.57 | abra | haha, my bad. im just tired of being treated like i cant spell lua. |
| 21:17.08 | ^RaK^ | :/ |
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| 21:17.50 | Kraps | Cide: yeah, pretty cool on mp |
| 21:17.52 | Cide | you're giving meterList integer keys |
| 21:17.58 | Cide | but you're checking for string keys |
| 21:18.03 | abra | right |
| 21:18.08 | abra | how can i fix that part |
| 21:18.20 | Cide | you learn about the distinction of keys and values |
| 21:18.29 | abra | but there is no values in meterlist |
| 21:18.35 | abra | just or rather |
| 21:18.37 | Cide | there are always values in a table |
| 21:18.40 | Cide | each key has a value |
| 21:18.43 | abra | there is no key, just [1] |
| 21:18.45 | Cide | each value has a key |
| 21:18.50 | Cide | then 1 is the key |
| 21:19.12 | abra | but does it not check the value if you ask for if not table[value]? |
| 21:19.17 | Cide | no |
| 21:19.21 | abra | when indexed |
| 21:19.25 | Cide | no |
| 21:19.30 | Cide | table[<something>] checks if there is a key <something> |
| 21:19.31 | Cide | always |
| 21:19.36 | abra | so then how does what cloud said work? |
| 21:19.56 | Cide | <cloudwolf> lua> local tabl={"jim","john","jack","joe"} local name="jerry" if not tabl[name] then print(name.." is not a key") end |
| 21:19.57 | Cide | <lua_bot> cloudwolf: jerry is not a key |
| 21:20.12 | Cide | it works because it was a fucking stupid way of showing it |
| 21:20.18 | abra | lol |
| 21:20.19 | Cide | let me do it properly |
| 21:20.24 | Dagmar | heheheh |
| 21:20.50 | cloudwolf | lol Cide i was pretty much using the code he provided |
| 21:20.56 | Cide | lua> local table = { "jim", "john", "jack", "joe" }; local name = "jerry"; if not table[name] then print(name.." is not a key"); else print(name.." is a key"); end |
| 21:20.56 | lua_bot | Cide: jerry is not a key |
| 21:21.08 | Cide | that's essentially what cloudwolf typed |
| 21:21.14 | Cide | giving you the impression that it works the way you think it does |
| 21:21.17 | Cide | but now |
| 21:21.24 | Cide | lua> local table = { "jim", "john", "jack", "joe", "jerry" }; local name = "jerry"; if not table[name] then print(name.." is not a key"); else print(name.." is a key"); end |
| 21:21.24 | lua_bot | Cide: jerry is not a key |
| 21:21.30 | Cide | IT STILL DOES NOT EXIST?!?! what is this? |
| 21:21.37 | Dagmar | Looks like a list to me |
| 21:21.39 | Cide | that's because the keys in that table are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 |
| 21:21.55 | Cide | not "jim", "john", "jack", "joe", "jerry" <-- those are the values |
| 21:22.05 | cloudwolf | :P Cide i was running his code that he provided with a print |
| 21:22.07 | Dagmar | k so it is actually a list then |
| 21:22.10 | abra | so its not just checking the value for key [1]. i get that. |
| 21:22.15 | cloudwolf | if he has a question there is a bot here that can run the lua for him |
| 21:22.43 | abra | can "if not" be used to check a value across all index? |
| 21:22.57 | Cide | if you want to check if a *value* exists in a table, you must check every single key until you either find the value you're looking for, or you run out of keys |
| 21:23.02 | abra | i know how to write it to check it manually. |
| 21:23.10 | abra | i just dont want the extra loop |
| 21:23.16 | Cide | it's the only way to do it. |
| 21:23.24 | abra | so, i can create table with the names as keys instead. |
| 21:23.29 | Cide | exactly. |
| 21:23.35 | cloudwolf | or he indexes his table with the value he wants toe hceck and sets it to a boolean |
| 21:23.45 | Dagmar | ...which most people call a hash. Much easier way to do it _but_ computationally more complex to access than a list |
| 21:23.49 | Cide | you can either change your structure or you can create a two-way hash map |
| 21:23.50 | cloudwolf | >.> oh sorry i wasn't reading a lot of what was said you must have suggested that lol |
| 21:24.22 | Cide | two-way hash map would be to have two tables where the values of table A are the keys of table B and vice versa |
| 21:24.31 | abra | hash map = function to compare x agains values ina tbale? |
| 21:24.34 | abra | in a table |
| 21:24.43 | Cide | hash map = a table with non-integer non-sequential keys |
| 21:24.49 | Cide | all tables are hash maps in lua |
| 21:24.53 | abra | oh ok |
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| 21:24.55 | Cide | that's why you can do table["omg hi"] |
| 21:25.12 | Cide | what you want to do is make the names the keys, not the values |
| 21:25.34 | abra | so how do i add a key to a table with no value? |
| 21:25.41 | abra | or should i just give an arb value? |
| 21:25.50 | Dagmar | Cide: So you're telling me that a table with numeric keys is a hash map |
| 21:25.51 | cloudwolf | abra if theres no value it doens't exist |
| 21:25.52 | Dagmar | This I doubt |
| 21:25.53 | frontendloader | make it = true abra |
| 21:26.01 | Cide | Dagmar, lua makes some optimizations |
| 21:26.05 | abra | ok |
| 21:26.07 | Cide | you give it an arbitrary value that isn't false |
| 21:26.16 | Cide | Dagmar, internally the lua table has both an array part and a hash part |
| 21:26.19 | Dagmar | In this case, I'm thinking the optimization would be ot not use a hash |
| 21:26.41 | Cide | the semantics are pretty complex as I understand it |
| 21:26.43 | abra | its only going to be checking against 15 tables. |
| 21:26.45 | Cide | it can use both simultaneously afaik |
| 21:26.47 | abra | i mean values |
| 21:26.50 | Cide | so yes, it doesn't use the hash capabilities if you use it as a list |
| 21:27.06 | Cide | but it always has the capability of hash access is what I'm saying |
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| 21:27.28 | cloudwolf | lua> local tabl={"joe"=true,"bob"=true,"jim"=true} local name="mom" if not tabl["mom"] then print(name.." is not a key") else print(name.." is a key") end |
| 21:27.29 | lua_bot | cloudwolf: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 21:27.30 | Cide | you can from the outside treat it as an always-a-hash-map that still guarantees sequential iteration over sequential integer keys |
| 21:27.31 | abra | ugg. thnx guys. i have to go to work now. i think i can fix it when i get home now. |
| 21:27.50 | Cide | sequential integer keys starting from 1 |
| 21:27.57 | Cide | and going in the positive direction |
| 21:28.16 | Dagmar | Someday I will figure out what tiny microscopic bug in someone's brain caused that |
| 21:28.26 | Cide | caused what? |
| 21:28.48 | Dagmar | Turning that into such a complex situation for the sake of "excessively" orthagonal access |
| 21:28.51 | Ycarene | Anyone wanna give my BBS a test for me? |
| 21:28.59 | Cide | from the outside it's extremely simple though |
| 21:29.07 | Cide | I'm talking about the internals |
| 21:29.14 | Cide | which are quite complex for the sake of efficiency |
| 21:29.36 | Dagmar | Yeah but IMHO this is on the far side of the line for too much abstraction |
| 21:29.41 | Cide | nah |
| 21:29.53 | Cide | if you use it as a list it behaves like a list, if you use it as a hash map it behaves like a hash map |
| 21:29.58 | Cide | if you have both it works as both |
| 21:30.09 | Cide | use ipairs() for list iteration, use pairs() for hash iteration |
| 21:30.14 | Dagmar | Well, this is going to be like the seventh language I've learned. Magic typing I'm used to. The syntax I've been seeing in practice for that tho... yech |
| 21:30.16 | cloudwolf | Meh not evne gona think about htis right now lol |
| 21:30.22 | Cide | pairs() runs over the full table when ipairs() runs over the array part |
| 21:30.38 | Cide | s/when/while/ |
| 21:32.39 | Dagmar | I spose it's part of the reason things like what cloudwolf wrote happen. hehe |
| 21:32.49 | cloudwolf | :D |
| 21:32.54 | cloudwolf | Fear my ineptitude |
| 21:33.13 | Dagmar | I was looking at the first comment line in that paste and thinking "This is one of those effed up lua things isn't it" |
| 21:33.15 | cloudwolf | first one was his abra's code with a print 2n'd one was me failing to do something right |
| 21:33.26 | Dagmar | "table[i] = {key = playername, value = totalAmt}" |
| 21:34.13 | Dagmar | Tell me he didn't actually mean that table element i would contain an anonymous table with one key-value pair |
| 21:34.41 | Dagmar | 'cuz in saner languages, that would be more reasonably written as table[key] = value |
| 21:34.55 | Cide | yeah, but that's not about the language |
| 21:35.00 | Cide | that's about abra not knowing the language :P |
| 21:35.19 | Dagmar | ...or at the very least it would be returned as a two-element array and not an anonymous struct |
| 21:35.27 | Dagmar | Okay |
| 21:35.36 | Cide | you could just do table[playername] = totalAmt |
| 21:35.43 | Cide | or table[i] = {playername, totalAmt} |
| 21:35.46 | Dagmar | I'm stil trying to get my head around the "wtf happens on the inside" of most of lua |
| 21:35.47 | Cide | or however you wish |
| 21:35.52 | Dagmar | Perl I can do in my sleep |
| 21:36.05 | Cide | well really |
| 21:36.24 | Cide | if you don't bother about the internals you can just think of tables as always being a hash map |
| 21:36.31 | Dagmar | ...but that's partly because I spent a s**tload of time testing optimizations and looking at the source code to figure out why the @#$@#$! it would fail on an old IRIX box |
| 21:36.31 | Cide | that still gives you sequential iteration over 1..n |
| 21:36.51 | Dagmar | I'd rather not think of a data structure as anything other than what it is |
| 21:36.59 | Cide | sure, go for it then |
| 21:37.05 | Dagmar | IMHO hiding those things from yourself leads to pain and suffering |
| 21:37.06 | Cide | that's almost what it is though :P |
| 21:37.37 | Dagmar | It's always the one time that something behaves like what it really is instead of what you think it is that takes a broken off telephone pole and shoves it up your ass |
| 21:38.13 | Cide | the behavior I gave you is fool-proof though |
| 21:38.34 | Cide | there is one exception though |
| 21:38.40 | Cide | and that's the definition of the length of a table |
| 21:38.50 | Cide | or the length of the array-part of the table |
| 21:39.06 | Dagmar | same s**t happens in perl |
| 21:39.27 | Cide | let n = len(table); a reasonable assumption would be that n = the highest integer for which all keys 1..n exist |
| 21:39.31 | foxlit | Hey, no bashing Lua tables. |
| 21:39.38 | Dagmar | foxlit: Not bashing them |
| 21:39.47 | foxlit | They're sane. Really :) |
| 21:39.47 | Cide | but for the sake of optimization it's defined as an arbitrary n for which n+1 doesn't exist |
| 21:40.03 | Cide | so len({ 1, 2, nil, 4}) can either return 2 or 4 |
| 21:40.12 | Dagmar | what |
| 21:40.24 | Dagmar | NOnono that can't be righht |
| 21:40.30 | Cide | lua> #{1, 2, nil, 4} |
| 21:40.30 | lua_bot | Cide: 4 |
| 21:40.36 | Cide | lua> #{1, 2, nil, 4} |
| 21:40.36 | lua_bot | Cide: 4 |
| 21:40.43 | Dagmar | Four I can see. Two I can't. |
| 21:41.00 | foxlit | It "should" be two, however. |
| 21:41.03 | Dagmar | Why |
| 21:41.05 | Dagmar | it's a list. |
| 21:41.10 | foxlit | nil is not an element |
| 21:41.11 | Cide | nil means the key doesn't exist |
| 21:41.17 | foxlit | The array portion rightfully ends at t[2] |
| 21:41.21 | Cide | that's equivalent to { 1, 2, [4] = 4 } |
| 21:41.25 | Dagmar | Yeah but you've created a list |
| 21:41.39 | Cide | lua> #{ [1] = 1, [2] = 2, [4] = 4 } |
| 21:41.39 | Dagmar | I "get" the whacko syntax used to access keys in a hash |
| 21:41.39 | lua_bot | Cide: 4 |
| 21:41.48 | Cide | lua> #{ 1, 2, [4] = 4 } |
| 21:41.48 | lua_bot | Cide: 2 |
| 21:41.53 | foxlit | Dagmar: lists are not very popular in this language |
| 21:41.55 | Cide | ^ |
| 21:42.01 | Dagmar | I don't *like* that there's nothing really to distinguish the keys from values visually |
| 21:42.05 | Dagmar | ...but I get htem |
| 21:42.16 | Cide | see above, Dagmar |
| 21:42.28 | Cide | in that case the [4] ended up in the hash part |
| 21:42.30 | Dagmar | That leads to things like {1, 2, nil, 4, 5, nil, nil, nil} which turns into what... |
| 21:42.35 | Dagmar | Bad news, IMHO. |
| 21:42.42 | foxlit | No, perfectly reasonable news. |
| 21:42.49 | foxlit | You shouldn't be using # operations on things with holes in them. |
| 21:42.51 | Cide | I believe the array part allows a small amount of holes |
| 21:42.58 | Cide | and still treat it as an array |
| 21:43.05 | Dagmar | Handling arrays with holes is trivial stuff |
| 21:43.19 | Dagmar | I'm talking about should that thing be accessed as a hash, the null key's been defined twice |
| 21:43.21 | Cide | yes, but remember that this is a combined hash map and array |
| 21:43.35 | foxlit | "the null key's been defined twice" << ? |
| 21:43.43 | Dagmar | Yeah which means you get a schizophrenic view of the data as far as I can tell |
| 21:43.47 | Cide | so you could do {1, 2, nil, nil, nil...., nil, nil, nil, ...., "hi" } |
| 21:43.52 | Cide | where "hi" is key 1e12 |
| 21:44.18 | Cide | now, do we want to store 1e12 elements in an array or 2 elements in an array and "hi" in the hash part? |
| 21:44.52 | Cide | for sake of efficiency it only allows a set amount of holes before it starts using hash entries |
| 21:44.59 | Cide | where "set amount" is implementation specific I believe |
| 21:44.59 | Dagmar | foxlit: Nil, null, same deal. nil appears twice as a key in my example, which as a straight list is fine, but as hash results in assigning the different values to the same key |
| 21:45.26 | Cide | twice as a key? |
| 21:45.26 | foxlit | " nil appears twice as a key in my example" << no nil keys appear in your example. |
| 21:45.32 | mitchnull | lua> #{1, 2, nil, nil, , nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, "hi"} |
| 21:45.32 | lua_bot | mitchnull: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '#' |
| 21:45.39 | Cide | four times as a value |
| 21:45.44 | mitchnull | meh |
| 21:45.51 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:45.56 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:45.58 | Fisker | slaps mitchnull around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:46.35 | mitchnull | lua> #{1, 2, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, nil, "hi"} |
| 21:46.36 | lua_bot | mitchnull: 2 |
| 21:46.49 | cbreak | the definition of # is |
| 21:47.20 | cbreak | returns index i for which t[i] is set, and t[i+1] is nil |
| 21:47.23 | Cide | <Cide> but for the sake of optimization it's defined as an arbitrary n for which n+1 doesn't exist |
| 21:47.32 | Dagmar | Leme put it in perl syntax that will make it more obvious. That might show what I'm missing. blah = { '1' => '2', undef => '4', 5 => undef, undef => undef }; (nevermind that I'm misusing undef here IIRC) |
| 21:47.52 | Cide | welcome to 10 min ago cbreak! |
| 21:48.04 | Cide | you can't use nil as a key in lua tables though |
| 21:48.11 | Dagmar | cbreak: Thanks but I think I learned about tables over 20 years ago. |
| 21:48.15 | Dagmar | s/tables/arrays/; |
| 21:48.32 | Cide | he gave the definition of lua's table length operator |
| 21:48.34 | Dagmar | Cide: Isn't that what you were doing in your "2 or 4" example |
| 21:48.39 | Cide | which I already gave 10 minutes ago :P |
| 21:48.40 | Cide | yep |
| 21:48.46 | Cide | Dagmar, no |
| 21:48.50 | Cide | in that case nil was the value |
| 21:49.15 | Cide | if you do t = { [1] = nil } then t is an empty table |
| 21:49.22 | Dagmar | I was under the impression that a list could be treated as value, value, value, value or key, value, key, value |
| 21:49.30 | Cide | because t[key] = nil is equivalent to "delete key t" |
| 21:49.31 | Cide | er |
| 21:49.36 | Cide | delete key "key" |
| 21:49.41 | cbreak | > t={1, nil, nil, 4} print(#t) t={1, [4] = 4} print(#t) |
| 21:49.52 | cbreak | guesses for the result :) |
| 21:49.55 | foxlit | Dagmar: wrong impression, then |
| 21:50.03 | Cide | lua> { 1, 2, nil, 4 } |
| 21:50.04 | lua_bot | Cide: table: 0x83ca720 |
| 21:50.07 | Cide | damn you |
| 21:50.07 | Dagmar | @#$#@$@ lua doesn't actually treat nil as something that exists? |
| 21:50.10 | Cide | lua> pp({ 1, 2, nil, 4 }) |
| 21:50.10 | lua_bot | Cide: { 1, 2, [4] = 4 } (#1) |
| 21:50.19 | Cide | as you can see, there is no key 3 |
| 21:50.35 | foxlit | Dagmar: no. There'd be no point in treating a "this value does not exist" value as a value that exists |
| 21:50.36 | Dagmar | Okay so this is actually as jacked up as I thought then |
| 21:50.41 | cbreak | lua> t={1, nil, nil, 4} print(#t) t={1, [4] = 4} print(#t) |
| 21:50.41 | lua_bot | cbreak: 4, 1 |
| 21:50.45 | Dagmar | foxlit: Actually, there is |
| 21:50.46 | Cide | nil means "doesn't exist" in lua |
| 21:50.52 | Dagmar | It's pretty useful actually |
| 21:50.54 | Cide | it's also the value of undefined variables |
| 21:51.10 | Cide | Dagmar, yes, several languages have that distinction |
| 21:51.18 | foxlit | Dagmar: only if you're used to having it around |
| 21:51.23 | Cide | python among others (None vs raise NameError / KeyError) |
| 21:51.31 | Cide | lua doesn't have that distinction; use false instead |
| 21:53.33 | Dagmar | foxlit: I just figured with the automatic typing they'd be using it like thta |
| 21:55.27 | cbreak | lua> t={1, [4] = 4} print(#t) t[2] = nil t[3] = nil print(#t) |
| 21:55.27 | lua_bot | cbreak: 1, 4 |
| 21:55.56 | cbreak | lua> t={1, [4] = 4} pp(t) t[2] = nil t[3] = nil pp(t) |
| 21:55.56 | lua_bot | cbreak: { 1, [4] = 4 } (#1), <table: #1> |
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| 21:56.22 | cbreak | :) |
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| 21:57.04 | Dagmar | Mind, it does lead to some strange things in perl... like you can have a hash key which is actually undef, and it can index a value just as well as tom, dick, or harry |
| 21:57.36 | foxlit | is undef == undef? |
| 21:57.44 | Dagmar | Of course |
| 21:57.45 | foxlit | Or is it like NULL != NULL in sql? :) |
| 21:57.59 | Cide | or NaN != NaN in lua? |
| 21:58.00 | Cide | :P |
| 21:58.23 | cbreak | NaN is NaN in ISO floats |
| 21:58.38 | Cide | lua> value = 0/0; return value == value |
| 21:58.39 | lua_bot | Cide: false |
| 21:58.43 | Dagmar | If NULL isn't equal to NULL, that's something the SQL people will answer to god ofr |
| 21:59.37 | Dagmar | But hte whole reason you can have an undef hash key in perl is just due to the way it tucks the hash away in memory |
| 22:03.46 | Dagmar | Keys not need be defined, but they do need ot be unique |
| 22:08.49 | Dagmar | Ah. Now I see the madness |
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| 22:11.39 | ScytheBlade1 | holy crap airport security sucks |
| 22:11.43 | ScytheBlade1 | the ENDLESS LINE transfoorms into an endless longer line |
| 22:12.40 | Dagmar | Yes, I believe that's been that way for awhile now |
| 22:13.04 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:13.32 | Dagmar | But, apparently it's more important that they act like they're doing something useful by pissing everyone off, than it is to actually become more secure |
| 22:13.54 | Dagmar | Make that shit work to your advantage. |
| 22:14.21 | Corrodias | hard to see how it's advantagous for anybody |
| 22:14.36 | Dagmar | WHen you pack for a flight, forget for the moment that you might not want to take everything you can. Find out what the maximum amount of luggage you can take is, and it's maximum allowable size, and _PACK THAT MUCH_ |
| 22:15.01 | Dagmar | ...because when you show up at an airport with two giant rolling suitcases, _someone will be there immediately_ to "help" you to x-ray and check in |
| 22:15.18 | Dagmar | Let 'em tote all your stuff. :) |
| 22:15.45 | Dagmar | They like their metal detectors right? Wear as much detachable metal on you as you possibly can. |
| 22:16.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:16.31 | ScytheBlade1 | i like your style |
| 22:16.34 | Corrodias | hmm. the first one makes sense. the second one just sounds like it'd waste more time. |
| 22:17.38 | Dagmar | Corrodias: When you are wearing a biker jacket, sunglasses, a studded belt, lots of rings and so on... You don't have to wait your turn for a bucket. You can just ask for an extra one and they'll bring them *to* you so you won't slow the line down |
| 22:17.45 | ScytheBlade1 | afk security |
| 22:17.49 | Dagmar | I've actually had them bump me ahead of other people just because I was finally ready |
| 22:18.12 | Dagmar | ...cuz I can tote about fifteen pounts of "generic metallized shit" on me without even trying |
| 22:18.19 | Corrodias | aha... |
| 22:19.14 | Dagmar | I've yet to find a way to get them to stop fondling my laptops tho |
| 22:19.39 | Dagmar | At least they've finally learned to stop asking people to login to them |
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| 22:21.58 | foxlit | Test my bad javascript auto-suggest dropdown: http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/suggest ? |
| 22:22.36 | Dagmar | Might wanna slap in something to disable a browser's normal autocomplete |
| 22:23.19 | Dagmar | ...since the two things are going to wind up overlapping each other |
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| 22:27.49 | foxlit | Hm, good idea. |
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| 22:30.24 | Yssaril | foxlit: it doesnt update whan you use backspace |
| 22:30.59 | Yssaril | also does it have the entire API yet? |
| 22:31.57 | foxlit | It does, but probably not the API you're thinking of. |
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| 22:42.18 | Dagmar | Maybe take that serifed font out back and shoot it, but you've probably already got that in mind |
| 22:43.11 | foxlit | Dagmar: which font? |
| 22:45.26 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure once people stopped taking Sun seriously for anything other than Oracle hardware, serifed fonts for coding were supposed to have been replaced with decent, unserifed ones everywhere, by international agreement |
| 22:45.36 | foxlit | Yssaril: should be fixed now. |
| 22:47.06 | Yssaril | foxlit: it isnt sorting it when you backspace :P |
| 22:47.13 | foxlit | Yssaril: intended. |
| 22:47.26 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 22:47.33 | foxlit | It'll keep the entries you see for as long as they're relevant. |
| 22:49.59 | Dagmar | Hm... definitely doesn't seem to handle deleting the old query and typing a new one in, but otherwise works |
| 22:50.22 | foxlit | clicking on stuff seems to suck a bit |
| 22:50.35 | foxlit | Locks it into a state of thinking "Hey, I don't have input focus :/" |
| 22:54.02 | Ressy | Someone on the TS forum is reporting he can't redeem his author beta key, that it just fails. I've directed him here to come talk to Cairenn/Kaelten (unknown which site he got his key from). |
| 22:54.16 | foxlit | should also be fixed. |
| 22:55.43 | Cide | boost.python gives the strangest of errors |
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| 23:01.41 | ajmitch | boost as a whole is a bit strange |
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| 23:02.26 | ajmitch | had the joy of digging through boost's svn repository to get a patch to get it to work with python 2.6 properly |
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| 23:02.40 | Cide | you know boost.python? |
| 23:02.48 | ajmitch | not well |
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| 23:33.47 | Shirik_ | hi Cide |
| 23:33.54 | Cide | hi shirik_ <3 |
| 23:34.15 | Shirik_ | wat u wan |
| 23:34.23 | Cide | wat is dis i dont event |
| 23:34.25 | Cide | even* |
| 23:35.29 | Cide | ... |
| 23:35.30 | Cide | hi [11] |
| 23:35.54 | kd3 | isn't sure external links to 11 work all that well |
| 23:36.07 | Shirik_ | joke in another channel :P |
| 23:36.17 | Shirik_ | Your name can't start with a number |
| 23:39.19 | MoonWitch | guys : Would you consider - prior to undertaking a larger project with databases - designing the database? In say visio (or something similar) |
| 23:39.57 | alestane | Depends on the project environment. |
| 23:40.36 | alestane | But advance design rarely hurts, as long as it is possible to revise the design based on implementation-phase discoveries. |
| 23:41.56 | MoonWitch | well -- I need to prep stuff (and re-learn web design) for my portfolio, and thought of making a small cms like system specifically for it |
| 23:42.14 | Xyphoid | ER diagrams are good for sketching DB structures |
| 23:42.22 | MoonWitch | ER? |
| 23:42.24 | alestane | (My experience being that you will invariably discover that your initial design forgot something crucial.) |
| 23:42.36 | MoonWitch | alestane: probably |
| 23:42.37 | Xyphoid | we'll often do one on a whiteboard to figure out how things relate and what to name your tables |
| 23:42.40 | Xyphoid | entity-relationship |
| 23:42.46 | MoonWitch | ah |
| 23:43.12 | MoonWitch | and to get a diploma I actually need to know/use some form of diagrams |
| 23:43.49 | alestane | You did say that you lost your job before. |
| 23:43.56 | MoonWitch | yep |
| 23:44.12 | MoonWitch | that's why I need to work on a portfolio etc |
| 23:44.20 | MoonWitch | I can't work in the same field for a year |
| 23:44.32 | MoonWitch | hell, I don't WANT to work in the exact same field anymore |
| 23:44.44 | Xyphoid | what, a noncompete? |
| 23:45.12 | MoonWitch | Panda Security (Antivirus), and yes a noncompete |
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