| 00:00.07 | Niv | oh, stonecore is open for testing is it? |
| 00:00.18 | Niv | but not listed in LFD |
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| 00:20.29 | Mirrormn | it's in LFD last time I looked |
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| 00:32.39 | Wobin | ~wowalert |
| 00:32.40 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 00:32.51 | Wobin | hm |
| 00:32.55 | Wobin | wasn't there early shutdown today? |
| 00:33.24 | Cloudwolf | do you have to use parental controls to disable parts of realid? |
| 00:33.34 | Mirrormn | don't you feel a little guilty using purl as your personal browser bookmark? |
| 00:34.02 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 00:34.10 | Thunder_Child | no @ Mirrormn* |
| 00:34.22 | Wobin | Mirrormn: er. why should I? |
| 00:34.36 | Wobin | That's the whole reason she's there =P |
| 00:38.28 | Cloudwolf | any one know? |
| 00:38.34 | Cloudwolf | they said they are adding the abilityt o opt out of friend of friend |
| 00:38.40 | Cloudwolf | i do not know how to turn it off lol |
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| 00:39.33 | NeoTron | ~bookmark-news |
| 00:39.34 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, bookmark-news is slashdot, cnn |
| 00:39.40 | NeoTron | ~bookmark-cnn |
| 00:39.41 | purl | well, bookmark-cnn is http://cnn.com/ |
| 00:39.44 | NeoTron | ~bookmark-slashdot |
| 00:39.45 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, bookmark-slashdot is http://slashdot.org/ |
| 00:39.46 | NeoTron | what? :) |
| 00:40.07 | NeoTron | Cloudwolf: they are adding it, it's not there yet |
| 00:41.03 | NeoTron | ~Mirrormn |
| 00:41.04 | purl | it has been said that mirrormn is Nmrorrim in reverse. |
| 00:41.05 | Cloudwolf | k |
| 00:41.08 | Cloudwolf | i was hoping it was in already XD |
| 00:41.26 | Cloudwolf | ~cloudwolf |
| 00:41.26 | NeoTron | didn't sound like it'd be added any time soon |
| 00:41.29 | Cloudwolf | k |
| 00:42.13 | Mirrormn | hrm |
| 00:42.53 | Mirrormn | "[20:41] <purl> it has been said that mirrormn is Nmrorrim in reverse." how does it know that O.o |
| 00:43.09 | Cloudwolf | D: what!!!!! |
| 00:43.21 | Cloudwolf | "your trying to login to battle ent using an unknown client version? |
| 00:43.57 | KarlKFI|work | hacker, ban him |
| 00:44.05 | Cloudwolf | i did no such thing! |
| 00:44.07 | Lunessa | "Q: Any word on that cosmetic Tree of Life Form glyph? Some players are sad to lose Tree of Life Form completely. |
| 00:44.07 | Lunessa | A. The only new glyph we are ready to announce right now is the Glyph of Divine Shield, which reduces the cast time of your Hearthstone whenever Divine Shield is active. " - LULZ |
| 00:44.21 | NeoTron | ~howdoyouknowthat |
| 00:44.22 | purl | hmm... howdoyouknowthat is I'm omnipotent. |
| 00:44.55 | KarlKFI|work | omniscient? |
| 00:45.05 | Mirrormn | should be |
| 00:45.18 | KarlKFI|work | omnipotent means all powerful, not all knowledgeable, silly purl.. |
| 00:45.18 | NeoTron | no one ever said purl was smart |
| 00:45.34 | NeoTron | ~reverse Mirrormn |
| 00:45.37 | Cloudwolf | !cookie |
| 00:45.37 | Trela | hands Cloudwolf a freshly baked oatmeal chocolate chip cookie. |
| 00:45.40 | NeoTron | ~rot13 Mirrormn |
| 00:45.40 | purl | Zveebeza |
| 00:45.48 | Cloudwolf | *nom* *nom* *nom* |
| 00:45.58 | NeoTron | ~whaleslap Mirrormn |
| 00:45.59 | purl | ACTION beats Mirrormn upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 00:46.00 | Lunessa | Omnipotent - birth control is USELESS, Alec Baldwin! |
| 00:46.12 | NeoTron | Mirrormn: Purl knows whatever you tell it to know |
| 00:46.19 | Xyphoid | glyphs have to be quite a mess for them |
| 00:46.21 | NeoTron | ~cat is not a dog. |
| 00:46.22 | purl | ACTION shoves a feral cat down is not a dog.'s pants |
| 00:46.32 | NeoTron | ~wtf wtf |
| 00:46.34 | Cloudwolf | *orders purl to know when blizzard will send more beta keys* |
| 00:46.35 | KarlKFI|work | owned |
| 00:46.53 | KarlKFI|work | ~lart Cloudwolf |
| 00:46.53 | purl | frags Cloudwolf with his BFG9000 |
| 00:47.05 | NeoTron | ~omnipotent is not omniscient |
| 00:47.05 | purl | okay, NeoTron |
| 00:47.10 | NeoTron | ~omnipotent |
| 00:47.11 | purl | omnipotent is, like, not omniscient |
| 00:47.11 | NeoTron | there |
| 00:47.13 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 00:47.19 | KarlKFI|work | fail |
| 00:47.33 | Cloudwolf | impotent is not impotence >.> |
| 00:47.34 | Cloudwolf | <.< |
| 00:47.36 | KarlKFI|work | ~purl is not a valley gurl |
| 00:48.13 | Cloudwolf | ~purl however is a barbie girl.. no wait no she isn't |
| 00:48.14 | purl | Cloudwolf: okay |
| 00:48.28 | Cloudwolf | lol |
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| 00:48.47 | NeoTron | ~purl |
| 00:48.48 | purl | from memory, purl is a piece of very bad coding. |
| 00:49.04 | Cloudwolf | ~jesus |
| 00:49.05 | purl | i heard jesus is cool, or apparently now EMACS (see emacs) |
| 00:49.07 | Cloudwolf | O.o |
| 00:49.18 | NeoTron | ~Mirrormn is also not a bookmark |
| 00:49.19 | purl | NeoTron: okay |
| 00:49.24 | NeoTron | ~Mirrormn |
| 00:49.25 | purl | mirrormn is probably Nmrorrim in reverse. not a bookmark |
| 00:49.39 | Cloudwolf | ~cloudwolf is not a wolf shaped cloud. |
| 00:49.40 | purl | Cloudwolf: okay |
| 00:50.36 | Thunder_Child | ~cloudwolf |
| 00:50.37 | purl | well, cloudwolf is a cloud shaped wolf |
| 00:50.46 | Cloudwolf | darn you purl! |
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| 00:51.04 | Thunder_Child | dont blame purl, that was me |
| 00:51.22 | Cloudwolf | Thats an odd shaped wolf then |
| 00:51.36 | Thunder_Child | ~cloudwolf |
| 00:51.37 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, cloudwolf is not a wolf shaped cloud. |
| 00:51.44 | Thunder_Child | ....i hate that |
| 00:51.51 | Cloudwolf | heh... |
| 00:52.10 | Cloudwolf | oh yeah i has a parasite hat in tf2 now cus of alien swarm |
| 00:52.40 | Thunder_Child | ~cloudwolf |
| 00:52.41 | purl | [cloudwolf] not a wolf shaped cloud. |
| 00:52.45 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 00:53.01 | Cloudwolf | heh doesn't matter one bit |
| 00:53.40 | Cloudwolf | ~blizzard |
| 00:53.41 | purl | well, blizzard is the best developer ever. or at least eyonix says so. |
| 00:53.42 | Thunder_Child | it bothers me however |
| 00:53.57 | Cloudwolf | ~soon |
| 00:53.57 | purl | from memory, soon is http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon |
| 00:54.16 | NeoTron | ~Cloudwolf |
| 00:54.17 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, cloudwolf is a cloud shaped wolf. |
| 00:54.54 | Jinivus|atWork | ~monday |
| 00:54.55 | purl | from memory, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix, or and on a more positive note, Monday is a brand new day at the beginning of a brand new week, a place to start over and improve on last week. :), or the end of the weekend, a.k.a. the weekendend |
| 00:55.24 | Cloudwolf | ~cataclysm |
| 00:55.33 | Cloudwolf | ~realid |
| 00:55.38 | Cloudwolf | k any way |
| 00:56.02 | NeoTron | weekendend? heh |
| 00:56.28 | Cloudwolf | ~weekendend |
| 00:56.45 | Mirrormn | NeoTron: I'm familiar with how infobots work, I was wondering who put that knowledge in there in the first place |
| 00:56.59 | Cloudwolf | users |
| 00:57.11 | Jinivus|atWork | ~users |
| 00:57.11 | purl | so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? <irony> well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. </irony> |
| 00:57.14 | Mirrormn | because, iirc, that was the entry I had like 8 years ago when I used to hang out on a completely different irc server |
| 00:57.50 | Cloudwolf | well purl isn't this chat room specific |
| 00:57.58 | Cloudwolf | ~seen purl |
| 00:57.59 | purl | purl is currently on #casualti (1d 20h 53m 19s) #botpark (1d 20h 53m 19s) #linuxfund (1d 20h 53m 19s) #waruidev (1d 20h 53m 19s) #how (1d 20h 53m 19s) #sc2mapster (1d 20h 53m 19s) #edev (1d 20h 53m 19s) #fossfund (1d 20h 53m 19s) #hosernet (1d 20h 53m 19s) #norganna (1d 20h 53m 19s) #ud (1d 20h 53m 19s) ##ducleague (1d 20h 53m 19s) ##kierra (1d 20h 53m ... |
| 00:58.12 | Mirrormn | it was on a different server |
| 00:58.44 | Jinivus|atWork | ~Jinivus |
| 00:58.55 | Cloudwolf | ~cairenn |
| 00:58.56 | purl | methinks cairenn is one of the administrators of WoWInterface, also EQI, EQ2I, LotROI and VGI |
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| 00:59.12 | Cloudwolf | lots of moderation carienn does |
| 00:59.18 | Cloudwolf | !shirik |
| 00:59.19 | Jinivus|atWork | ~Jinivus is bad |
| 00:59.20 | purl | Jinivus|atWork: okay |
| 00:59.20 | Cloudwolf | derp |
| 00:59.22 | Cloudwolf | ~shirik |
| 00:59.23 | purl | methinks shirik is "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 00:59.23 | band-aid | Is there a way to delete frames? |
| 00:59.32 | Cloudwolf | framename=nil |
| 00:59.35 | NeoTron | Mirrormn: too funny. I put it in there just before I asked it |
| 00:59.46 | band-aid | Cloudwolf: will that remove them from display too? |
| 00:59.51 | Cloudwolf | it should |
| 01:00.00 | Cloudwolf | simplest way is to test it band-aid |
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| 01:00.09 | NeoTron | there's no way to delete a frame once created |
| 01:00.16 | Cloudwolf | K i'm wrong then :D |
| 01:00.17 | NeoTron | you can hide them and reuse them, not delete them |
| 01:01.32 | Xinhuan | Alien Swarm: The servers are currently too busy to handle your request. Please try again in a few minutes. |
| 01:01.33 | Xinhuan | zzzzzzz |
| 01:01.41 | Cloudwolf | try 30 seconds later lol |
| 01:01.45 | Cloudwolf | it said that to me the first time |
| 01:01.57 | Wobin | or reloadui =) |
| 01:02.01 | Xinhuan | been trying for about 5 minutes now |
| 01:02.14 | band-aid | ok here's my scenario then. I have a list (Lua table) of items. A frame is created for each one. The user can add or delete items from this list. When an item is removed, the frame needs to be deleted. When an item is added, a frame needs to be added. What I am afraid of is a user creating and deleting a ton of frames resulting in a bunch of hidden frames that are just taking up resources. |
| 01:02.42 | Cloudwolf | wow my neck is stiff |
| 01:02.50 | Nobgul | still |
| 01:03.53 | Cloudwolf | band aid. Create a max amount of frames by default and just update them when info is gained or lost |
| 01:04.14 | Cloudwolf | afk |
| 01:04.33 | Jinivus|atWork | ~delete Cloudwolf |
| 01:04.34 | purl | ACTION glares at Cloudwolf and then takes every step necessary to completely delete Cloudwolf and destroy any and all evidence that Cloudwolf ever existed |
| 01:04.50 | NeoTron | band-aid: you "delete" the frame by hiding it and putting a reference in a list |
| 01:04.54 | Shadowed | What you want is called frame recycling band-aid |
| 01:05.00 | NeoTron | band-aid: then you "create" a frame by first looking in that list |
| 01:05.08 | NeoTron | if it's non-empty remove one, if not create one |
| 01:05.09 | Shadowed | It depends on the style you are going for |
| 01:05.31 | Shadowed | If you have a scroll frame, you create the maximum amount of rows that the scroll frame needs, if you need a new frame for every item no matter what, you do frame recycling |
| 01:05.54 | Shadowed | Essentially what NeoTron said. You have one function that pulls a frame from a list, otherwise it creates it. Then you have another function that puts the frame back into the pool |
| 01:06.22 | band-aid | alright, I'll play with it |
| 01:11.02 | Mirrormn | wowwiki says you can delete a frame by setting its parent to nil, is that just completely wrong? |
| 01:11.06 | Mirrormn | or maybe I misread |
| 01:11.11 | Jinivus|atWork | ~Shadowed |
| 01:11.12 | purl | i guess shadowed is the author of SSPVP and other SS AddOns |
| 01:11.21 | Nobgul | Hrmm |
| 01:11.21 | Shadowed | man that is an old info |
| 01:11.28 | Jinivus|atWork | haha |
| 01:11.31 | Wobin | Mirrormn: yes |
| 01:11.32 | Shadowed | Mirrormn no it's completely wrong, you *cannot* delete frames |
| 01:11.33 | Shadowed | period |
| 01:11.47 | Shadowed | Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying or wrong |
| 01:11.53 | Mirrormn | why not? |
| 01:12.10 | Wobin | (yes, that is completely wrong) |
| 01:12.40 | Shadowed | It's like a bowl of soup, it's easy to put things into it, harder to pull it out intact after you've added |
| 01:12.43 | Wobin | "Because I said so" |
| 01:12.52 | Wobin | oh god |
| 01:12.55 | Shadowed | :P |
| 01:12.58 | Wobin | the soup analogy =P |
| 01:13.01 | Shadowed | I mangled the original analogy |
| 01:13.04 | kd3 | if ww says you can delete frames I need to fix that |
| 01:13.07 | Shadowed | I know slouken posted it in the UI forums way back |
| 01:13.08 | Wobin | wasn't it animal crackers? =) |
| 01:13.14 | kd3 | checks |
| 01:13.23 | Shadowed | A bowl of chowder and crackers was the original analogy I believe |
| 01:13.37 | Jinivus|atWork | ~anyone who tells you otherwise |
| 01:13.38 | purl | hmm... anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong |
| 01:13.40 | Mirrormn | kd3: it's on the CreateFrame page, but it didn't actually explicitly say you can delete frames |
| 01:13.47 | Mirrormn | now that I checked |
| 01:13.49 | Nobgul | Couldn't he use framePool? |
| 01:14.06 | Mirrormn | it just says to remember to set the parent to nil so that your frame strata don't get messed up |
| 01:14.19 | Shadowed | huh? |
| 01:14.40 | Mirrormn | 'Never forget to unset the frames parent, if you want to get rid of a frame. I would suggest to hide the frame via frame:Hide() and to use frame:SetParent(nil) afterward" |
| 01:14.41 | Shadowed | oh |
| 01:14.45 | Shadowed | It's talking about a completely different thing |
| 01:14.47 | Shadowed | keep reading :p |
| 01:15.02 | Mirrormn | "If you just hide the frame without this additional step, frames created afterward will get a higher framelevel than the hidden one" |
| 01:15.05 | Wobin | 'rid of' ~= 'delete' |
| 01:15.11 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=API_CreateFrame&diff=2330097&oldid=2253194 |
| 01:15.15 | Shadowed | It's poorly worded |
| 01:15.20 | Shadowed | but you read it wrong |
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| 01:15.58 | Mirrormn | "Frames CANNOT be deleted. Reuse them. " teehee |
| 01:16.21 | Shadowed | Frame deleting has never really been necessary anyway, generally if you need to delete a frame, you are doing something wrong already |
| 01:18.22 | Nobgul | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/138717 |
| 01:22.26 | DWSR | Hey all, is there an official armory app for android? |
| 01:22.52 | Cloudwolf | >.> i would just use the built in browser but lol |
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| 01:24.27 | DWSR | fail, not formatted for mobile screen viewing. |
| 01:25.59 | Cloudwolf | K well i don't have a smart phone |
| 01:26.17 | Shadowed | I wouldn't want to browse the armory even on a real computer |
| 01:29.02 | kd3 | bla. log in to [SERVER] Restart in 1:00 |
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| 01:30.04 | Jinivus|atWork | ~armory |
| 01:30.05 | purl | from memory, armory is creepier than wowhead |
| 01:30.06 | Cloudwolf | dwsr |
| 01:30.08 | Cloudwolf | http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-crocoware-android-wow-zjCF.aspx |
| 01:30.18 | Cloudwolf | http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-rexer-wowarmory-AtB.aspx |
| 01:30.21 | Cloudwolf | are teh 2 i found |
| 01:30.26 | Cloudwolf | neither are official releases |
| 01:30.32 | DWSR | fail. |
| 01:30.37 | DWSR | Blizzard clearly are Apple whores. |
| 01:31.58 | Jerub | there's an official one for android |
| 01:32.18 | Cloudwolf | link? |
| 01:32.45 | Jerub | sec. |
| 01:32.51 | Nobgul-Food | http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-rexer-wowarmory-AtB.aspx |
| 01:33.00 | Jerub | http://us.wowarmory.com/wow-remote.xml |
| 01:33.09 | Jerub | it says in very small grey text "*search for 'Remote Auction House' in Android Market using your Android device" |
| 01:33.37 | Cloudwolf | he wants armory |
| 01:33.40 | DWSR | Jerub: Yes, but there's no official Mobile armory app. |
| 01:33.41 | Cloudwolf | not auction house unless im wrong |
| 01:33.46 | DWSR | No, you're right Cloudwolf. |
| 01:33.47 | Nobgul-Food | ^^ |
| 01:33.48 | Jerub | ooooh, sorry, i totally thought you meant armory. |
| 01:33.56 | DWSR | Hence, Blizzard are clearly Apple whores. |
| 01:33.56 | Nobgul-Food | aparently the one i linked is crappy but works |
| 01:33.56 | Jerub | er auctionhouse |
| 01:34.05 | Jerub | yes, they're apply whores in that respect |
| 01:34.13 | Jerub | but tbh, no one really wants wowarmory.com armory |
| 01:34.23 | Jerub | they want be.imba.hu or quickarmory or elitistarmory |
| 01:34.24 | DWSR | I wouldn't mind an EA app. |
| 01:34.27 | Jerub | you know, an armory that's useful |
| 01:34.32 | DWSR | Shadowed: You should get on that. :P |
| 01:34.39 | Shadowed | I would have done an EA app but I don't really have a good icon |
| 01:34.40 | Jerub | Shadowed: totally. |
| 01:34.42 | Shadowed | or time |
| 01:34.51 | Shadowed | mostly the icon |
| 01:35.09 | Jerub | Shadowed: tbh, all you need is to have it render nicely in the browser and to be able to display qr codes in elitistgroup |
| 01:35.12 | Jerub | :P |
| 01:35.19 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 01:35.29 | Shadowed | a QR code renderer in game would be awesome to do |
| 01:35.34 | Jerub | i reckon. |
| 01:36.06 | Shadowed | But people like apps more than browser stuff |
| 01:36.09 | Jerub | however, you'd have to implement it yourself. |
| 01:36.34 | Jerub | yeah, it's true. |
| 01:36.44 | Shadowed | I still like a QR code idea, just because it's amusing |
| 01:36.59 | Shadowed | An app is something I'll do one day, mostly if I ever get an actual icon for EA |
| 01:37.07 | Jerub | Shadowed: it's interesting what i use elitistarmory for in-game. |
| 01:37.24 | Jerub | which is chiefly checking for upgrades, |
| 01:37.33 | Jerub | i use quickarmory for looking at my talent build. |
| 01:37.33 | Nobgul | Jerub I have herd the addon is very good. |
| 01:37.38 | Jerub | and i alt-tab a lot |
| 01:37.54 | Jerub | it would be good to be able to see the talent build on the phone. |
| 01:38.02 | Jerub | Nobgul: i use the addon in-game. |
| 01:38.07 | Shadowed | I need to add upgrade stuff into EA one of these days |
| 01:38.08 | Jerub | but i use that for noobchecking |
| 01:38.11 | Shadowed | I have all the tech for it, just not time |
| 01:38.17 | Shadowed | I should start a crack habit so I can stay up 24/7 |
| 01:38.18 | Jerub | Shadowed: what's there is useful now, it's just a bit annoying. |
| 01:38.29 | Wobin | Shadowed: do it |
| 01:38.31 | Jerub | Shadowed: did you hear my rant the other day about shard of the scale? |
| 01:38.31 | Shadowed | No, a real upgrade detector |
| 01:38.36 | Wobin | a QR code to iphone would be -awesome- |
| 01:38.52 | Shadowed | I kind of want to do a QR code library now |
| 01:38.53 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 01:38.56 | Shadowed | and yes Jerub |
| 01:39.01 | Jerub | Shadowed: a /real/ upgrade analyser would be good. flagging slots that are upgradable in heroics or whatever. |
| 01:39.25 | Jerub | i.e. "you haven't raided toc10 enough for item X" or "raid toc25 for item Y" or "no upgrades available until icc25 for this slot" |
| 01:39.33 | Lunessa | Shadowed: I don't want to see you offering to "debug your code, baby for just one hit. You know I'm good for it." |
| 01:39.39 | Shadowed | The end game is to make it able to suggest upgrades based on quality (blue gems -> purple gems), by straight ilvl + same stat base, or by statistics for your ilvl |
| 01:39.53 | Shadowed | But that'll mostly depend on how busy I end up being in college |
| 01:39.55 | Shadowed | Lunessa hahah |
| 01:40.12 | Jerub | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Dath%27Remar/Brandi <- i love elitist armory when it says 100% :P |
| 01:40.16 | Cloudwolf | awww in eletist armory the united states is falling behind XD |
| 01:40.43 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 01:40.46 | Shadowed | what was the EG bug again Jerub |
| 01:40.55 | Lunessa | Shadowed in cataclysm, blue quality gems wouldn't go into my 264 ICC gear. Just a note for your 'upgrade path' thing. :) |
| 01:40.57 | Jerub | Shadowed: http://www.wowwiki.com/Purified_Shard_of_the_Flame |
| 01:41.01 | Jerub | Shadowed: that's Caster (All) |
| 01:41.05 | Jerub | but it comes up as Unknown |
| 01:41.08 | Jerub | (for obvious reasons) |
| 01:41.15 | Cloudwolf | D: EA doesn't support showing set bonuses |
| 01:41.49 | Shadowed | No that's wowheads fault' |
| 01:42.04 | Shadowed | They require some obscure data to be passed to pcs that I can't figure out so it doesn't show the set |
| 01:42.50 | Cloudwolf | heh that sucks |
| 01:43.06 | Cloudwolf | Shadowed since obviously you run EA what other websites do you run? |
| 01:43.09 | Jerub | Shadowed: i dunno how you're getting your data. so i'm just doublechecking. The "Type" column was showing X Unknown instead of [Tick] Caster (All) for my resto set |
| 01:43.32 | Shadowed | mmm, Jerub it should actually be a situational caster |
| 01:43.42 | Shadowed | it should only show caster if you have both |
| 01:43.56 | Jerub | well, it's clearly just bads if you have only 1. |
| 01:43.59 | Shadowed | Cloudwolf: None right now, EA is the only one |
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| 01:44.06 | Cloudwolf | k |
| 01:44.10 | Jerub | but no one would be stupid enough to equip that set without both. i hope. |
| 01:44.20 | Shadowed | You would be surprised at what people are stupid enough to do |
| 01:44.24 | Cloudwolf | I do have to say i love your frame addon lol |
| 01:44.42 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 01:44.46 | Shadowed | I'm still not sure how it says unknown |
| 01:44.51 | Jerub | Shadowed: i would like to see statistics on stupid people. |
| 01:45.03 | Jerub | Shadowed: sorry, i logged out in my tank set. |
| 01:45.11 | Shadowed | wait |
| 01:45.14 | Mirrormn | I don't like how elitist armory gives me 0% on heroic 25m ulduar when I've done Alone in the Darkness |
| 01:45.14 | Shadowed | EA says that, or EG does Jerub? |
| 01:45.19 | Jerub | Shadowed: EA |
| 01:45.21 | Shadowed | Oh |
| 01:45.36 | Jerub | Mirrormn: shit data from wowarmory i'm guessing. |
| 01:45.38 | Shadowed | Well, that makes more sense :p |
| 01:45.39 | Shadowed | no |
| 01:45.40 | Jerub | apparently i've cleared togc10 |
| 01:45.48 | Mirrormn | no, it knows I did Alone in the Darkness |
| 01:45.55 | Mirrormn | it just doesn't weight it very high, I guess |
| 01:46.01 | Shadowed | Clearing alone in the darkness doesn't mean you've done Ulduar |
| 01:46.07 | Jerub | (i've killed 1 boss of togc10 |
| 01:46.16 | Shadowed | yea the TOGC stuff is wonky |
| 01:46.20 | Shadowed | that part is Blizzards fault |
| 01:46.28 | Jerub | yeah, i'm not saying it was you |
| 01:46.37 | Shadowed | Mirrormn: Need to go check bugs, but see http://elitistarmory.com/experience that explains what the experience feature does |
| 01:46.37 | Jerub | it says it in game in the stats tab :P |
| 01:48.09 | Jerub | Shadowed: oh, this is a simple feature request, i don't even know how easy it is. |
| 01:48.42 | Shadowed | mm, I'll deal with the shard bug later. I need to redo a bunch of logic for that and I have another website project to work on |
| 01:49.06 | Jerub | Shadowed: is it possible to get raid experience in EG ? |
| 01:49.10 | Shadowed | What do you mean? |
| 01:49.12 | Cloudwolf | Do tell or is your project confidential? |
| 01:49.16 | Shadowed | The raid experience in EA is the one in EG |
| 01:49.27 | Jerub | Shadowed: oh right. I use /eg summary a lot |
| 01:49.28 | Shadowed | Confidential for now |
| 01:49.31 | Cloudwolf | K |
| 01:49.35 | Shadowed | Remember EG predates EA :P |
| 01:49.39 | Jerub | so i'll throw up /eg summary when i'm standing at the fish. |
| 01:49.55 | Jerub | it would be awesome to see the raid % experience along with all other columns. |
| 01:50.06 | Jerub | so 50% gems 0% icc25 |
| 01:50.22 | Jerub | but for the raid i'm currently in the zone for. |
| 01:50.33 | Jerub | what's your other website project? |
| 01:50.43 | Cloudwolf | jerub he said confidential for now |
| 01:50.57 | Jerub | oh right, sorry |
| 01:53.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Random question: leveling a rogue as sub. daggers for hemo? or some slow-ass sword/axe/mace? |
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| 01:56.32 | alestane | Whatever works for you? |
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| 01:56.53 | alestane | I find that my brain syncs up better to some rthyms than others. |
| 01:57.00 | Jerub | i'm considering rebuilding my bear into a hybrid build. |
| 01:57.03 | Jerub | bear/kitty |
| 01:57.07 | Jerub | and getting kitty gear together. |
| 01:57.37 | Jerub | but i'm thinking it'll be an expensive excercise... |
| 01:57.38 | abra | jerub.. dont you wish it was a viable option? |
| 01:57.46 | Jerub | abra: yeah. i really do. |
| 01:57.57 | Jerub | abra: but i'm looking at it, i'm only so far into the resto tree for OOC |
| 01:58.09 | abra | i tried some crazy shit on my paladin. prot spec, half wrathful ap gear half holy gear. fail. |
| 01:58.25 | Jerub | abra: yeah, but bear/kitty is both feral tree. |
| 01:58.33 | Mirrormn | yeah, Alone in the Darkness should put me at like 45% alone |
| 01:58.48 | Mirrormn | but I'm at 0%... maybe I need to get new data from armory after all |
| 01:58.50 | abra | jerub good point. anything on elitistjerks about it? |
| 01:58.58 | Lunessa | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Kirin%20Tor/Steelsong - so funny. I forgot I had that stupid mana enchant on there from when I was using the chest piece on a paladin. |
| 01:59.02 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: well, i was looking for opinions, but meh. its not actually a big deal :) |
| 01:59.22 | alestane | I prefer subtley to combat myself. |
| 01:59.34 | Jerub | you're trading 3/3 [Natural Reaction] 1/1 [Survival Instincts] for 2/2 [Shredding Attacks] 2/2 [Nurturing Instincts] |
| 01:59.40 | abra | i run a hybrid priest pve spec. skip the top talents in disc and holy.. get max throughput and max mana eff. its rape. before t10 i was a priest with like 34k mana unbuffed. |
| 01:59.44 | Lunessa | NHTS: I usually level as Combat since I do most of my leveling solo. |
| 02:00.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: me too, but precisely because i "usually" do that, I wanted to do something else. ;) |
| 02:00.18 | NightHawkTheSane | I've never actually played sub very much |
| 02:00.36 | abra | does anyone else think rogues are just fail? they are novelty. |
| 02:00.38 | Mirrormn | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Dragonmaw/Mirrored |
| 02:00.39 | abra | grin |
| 02:00.59 | Mirrormn | hrm |
| 02:01.02 | Mirrormn | it seems to be working now |
| 02:01.06 | alestane | So do I, Lunessa, but in my case that meant a subtlety/assassin build that is basically "god of combo points." |
| 02:01.31 | Jerub | oh crud. mangle. |
| 02:01.49 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=48412 <- this is my drama |
| 02:01.55 | Jerub | i can save 6 talent points by dropping this |
| 02:06.33 | Jerub | sigh. |
| 02:06.40 | Jerub | oh well, giving up that idea. |
| 02:06.52 | Jerub | can't be a viable icc talented bear and do reasonable kitty dps |
| 02:07.47 | alestane | Kind of hard for cutting-edge progression content...that generally leaves little room for "almost good." |
| 02:10.00 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/talent#0ZxGGsfrzceRcsuVkbA |
| 02:10.15 | Jerub | that's something i threw together, but it's terrible :( |
| 02:10.28 | Jerub | i can skip the mangle talent since they made that a 60second debuff. |
| 02:10.48 | Jerub | but i'm torn between [Naturalist] and [Predatory Instincts] |
| 02:13.20 | Jerub | dropping [Improved Leader of the Pack] is another interesting idea. |
| 02:13.25 | Cloudwolf | I love my rogue but oh well i guess others hate me for it lol |
| 02:13.55 | fiphi | Hmmm, naturalist, predatory, pack. |
| 02:13.56 | Warloco | I guess defini9tely no keys today anymore? |
| 02:14.44 | Cloudwolf | Warloco its only 7pm PST |
| 02:14.44 | Shadowed | no |
| 02:14.45 | Warloco | cloud: that means they've left the office, no? |
| 02:14.45 | Cloudwolf | I don't think blizzard has a closing time |
| 02:15.51 | Warloco | Shadowed; no message from blizz right? |
| 02:15.56 | Shadowed | correct |
| 02:16.20 | Warloco | then I guess there's a tiny bit of hope left |
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| 02:16.45 | Shadowed | Go relax and have patience, the odds of them coming today are nil really :p |
| 02:17.16 | Cloudwolf | like i said thier monday means friday their friday means in a month and in a month actualy means when cataclysm is released |
| 02:17.23 | Nobgul-Sleep | Night all |
| 02:17.25 | Warloco | it's 4am here, I think im about to go relax for a few hours :p |
| 02:18.20 | Warloco | plus I can't say this puts me in a bad mood; im in a pretty good mood 'cause we finally killed Sindragosa 25 HC |
| 02:18.40 | Cloudwolf | grats warloco |
| 02:18.46 | Jerub | Warloco: grats! |
| 02:19.02 | Jerub | i wiped on LDW norm 3 times last night |
| 02:19.05 | Jerub | it made me sadpanda. |
| 02:19.10 | Warloco | hehe |
| 02:19.16 | Jerub | only 1 dps north of 5k |
| 02:19.22 | Jerub | wasn't going to happen |
| 02:19.23 | ajmitch | ouch? |
| 02:19.23 | Warloco | ouch |
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| 02:19.44 | Warloco | how can you do only 5k with a 25% buff, thats just :/ |
| 02:20.27 | Jerub | yeah. |
| 02:20.41 | Warloco | oh wow, mmo champion acquired by curse? *reads* |
| 02:20.44 | Jerub | however! the other icc10 i was in this week snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. |
| 02:21.01 | Jerub | some nub who was pissed off at the RL before trash was cleared turned off the buff before quitting the raid. |
| 02:21.25 | alestane | Guild: <I have a Horde-On> |
| 02:21.33 | Jerub | so i was brought in by a guildie, and i was like, "wtf, 50k health? where's the buff" |
| 02:22.05 | Jerub | fortunately we could reset raid before marrowgar |
| 02:22.11 | Jerub | and we cleared 4/12 with no major problems |
| 02:23.10 | Warloco | "Gamers and advertisers alike will benefit greatly from MMO-Champion?s purchase by Curse. In the next few months, visitors can expect an updated page design and improved user experience." |
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| 02:23.21 | Warloco | If what we're looking forwards to is a website as horrible as that of curse |
| 02:23.24 | Warloco | than /cry |
| 02:23.29 | ckknight | oh be nice |
| 02:23.46 | Bibi | punches Warloco in the face |
| 02:23.49 | Bibi | NOW YOU CRY BIG BABY. |
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| 02:23.58 | ckknight | and actually, the design and user experience won't be the same as Curse.com at all :P |
| 02:24.01 | Warloco | Boubs |
| 02:24.03 | Warloco | you know its true |
| 02:24.09 | Bibi | not really |
| 02:24.13 | Shadowed | Play nice |
| 02:24.16 | Warloco | I mean, look at the freaking horrible search on curse |
| 02:24.19 | Warloco | :( |
| 02:24.30 | Bibi | you're comparing 2 different sites, with absolutely nothing in common |
| 02:24.32 | Warloco | the auto complete is a disaster |
| 02:24.43 | Bibi | yeah, well |
| 02:24.46 | Shadowed | they both have Cs in their name |
| 02:24.49 | Bibi | currently, MMO Champion doesnt even have a search function. |
| 02:24.53 | Shadowed | That's something in common |
| 02:24.58 | Warloco | I'm just saying, I'm hoping that in terms of "user experience" mmo-champion doesn't head towards curse |
| 02:24.58 | Bibi | beat that! |
| 02:25.05 | Bibi | nop |
| 02:25.14 | Bibi | we're just going to offer free porn. |
| 02:25.29 | ajmitch | that'll make the servers explode |
| 02:25.32 | Thunder_Child | like everyone else? |
| 02:25.40 | Warloco | You mean you'll finally give us those "Come and play, Lord" adds for ultima online? |
| 02:25.50 | Bibi | that was Evony! |
| 02:25.54 | Warloco | haha |
| 02:26.05 | ckknight | regardless, Bibi is staying on staff and I'm sure his input will be taken during any redesigns |
| 02:26.22 | Bibi | yeah |
| 02:26.38 | DWSR | Still. |
| 02:26.43 | DWSR | WTB new search function for Curse. |
| 02:26.46 | Warloco | I'm not quite finished reading the newspost yet |
| 02:26.58 | Shadowed | "Baguette background" |
| 02:27.03 | Shadowed | "With little frenchmen caps" |
| 02:27.04 | ckknight | DWSR: it'll happen eventually |
| 02:27.09 | DWSR | uhuh |
| 02:27.12 | Warloco | I just kinda cringed at that citation |
| 02:27.29 | ckknight | yea, DWSR, we're actually rewriting Curse soon :P |
| 02:27.29 | Shadowed | Bibi make that happen |
| 02:27.36 | DWSR | ckknight: uhuh. |
| 02:27.39 | Warloco | I mean, don't get me wrong. Autocomplete is fantastic when done right- I have nothing against the wowhead or google autocomplete |
| 02:27.40 | DWSR | I'll believe it when I see it. ;) |
| 02:27.50 | ckknight | please don't be a douchebag. |
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| 02:28.48 | Warloco | so does this mean WoWInterface and Boubs are now bitter rivals? I mean I'm not trying to pick a fight but.... Dun dun dunnnnnnn~ |
| 02:29.11 | Warloco | (That is indeed not a serious question) |
| 02:29.11 | DWSR | ckknight: I'm just poking fun. |
| 02:29.11 | ckknight | I'm involved in the architectural underpinnings of the new framework which all of Curse's new technologies are based on |
| 02:29.12 | DWSR | Relax. |
| 02:29.27 | DWSR | You have to admit, though, the current Curse search is pretty =\ |
| 02:29.30 | Shadowed | oh has that been your secret project for the past year or two ckknight |
| 02:29.31 | kd3 | so. vbasic galore? |
| 02:29.50 | ckknight | yea, Shadowed |
| 02:30.07 | ckknight | secret project = framework that can serve 12,000 pages/sec off a single box |
| 02:30.15 | DWSR | I just bought a pair of SteelSeries 5H v2 headphones. |
| 02:30.18 | DWSR | Holy shit they're nice. |
| 02:30.18 | Shadowed | fancy, NET or python? |
| 02:30.22 | ckknight | .NET |
| 02:30.31 | kd3 | shudders |
| 02:30.31 | ckknight | though I want to upgrade to .NET 4.0 and get a Python REPL on the site |
| 02:30.32 | DWSR | ckknight: The solution, get moar boxes. ;) |
| 02:30.47 | ckknight | DWSR: why pay for 40 servers when you can just buy 2? |
| 02:30.49 | ajmitch | kd3: still better than some PHP, I'm sure |
| 02:30.53 | Warloco | DWSR: They're nice, but my wire broke |
| 02:31.07 | ckknight | kd3: yea, it's actually a really nice framework. |
| 02:31.08 | Warloco | that seems to be a problem steeleries has a lot |
| 02:31.17 | DWSR | Warloco: Meh, sounds like a personal problem. The wire seems to be sturdy to me. Time will tell though |
| 02:31.22 | DWSR | Warloco: My first SS product. |
| 02:31.24 | ckknight | kd3: the general principles have been to make other devs' lives easier |
| 02:31.28 | ckknight | and make it fast and efficient |
| 02:31.35 | kd3 | it's .net |
| 02:31.37 | kd3 | efficient? |
| 02:31.38 | DWSR | ^ |
| 02:31.39 | cogwheel | yes |
| 02:31.41 | cogwheel | it is |
| 02:31.43 | Warloco | I had mine for quite a while DWSR |
| 02:32.08 | DWSR | I like the sound card that they threw in. |
| 02:32.17 | DWSR | Being able to route out Vent to a different audio card is supermegawin. |
| 02:32.24 | ckknight | kd3: I already said 12,000 pages served per second |
| 02:32.31 | DWSR | Still wishing that my guild went to Mumble or TS3 though |
| 02:32.34 | Sixen | hai kd3 and ckk and cogwheel |
| 02:32.38 | cogwheel | hai Sixen |
| 02:32.39 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 02:32.42 | DWSR | hey Sixen |
| 02:32.46 | Sixen | hai2u dwsr |
| 02:32.54 | Sixen | what's everyone up to |
| 02:32.55 | kd3 | fires off an email to his 'corporate overlord' |
| 02:33.01 | DWSR | Wanking. |
| 02:33.01 | cogwheel | kd3: most .net h8 is around the fact that it's microsoft and other aspects of its commercial nature |
| 02:33.06 | Sixen | haha |
| 02:33.07 | DWSR | I mean....healing on my druid. |
| 02:33.07 | kd3 | just yelling at bibi for being a sellout |
| 02:33.13 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:33.16 | ckknight | he was already a sellout |
| 02:33.18 | ckknight | to MLG |
| 02:33.19 | DWSR | ^ |
| 02:33.21 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 02:33.25 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:33.31 | kd3 | s/sellout/sellout, again/ |
| 02:33.37 | Shadowed | Technically not even again :p |
| 02:33.50 | Shadowed | Curse bought MMOC from MLG, Bibi is just a 'byproduct' |
| 02:34.11 | Bibi | wow. |
| 02:34.13 | Bibi | rude. |
| 02:34.18 | Bibi | entirely true, but mean. |
| 02:34.25 | kd3 | chuckles |
| 02:34.25 | ckknight | quiet, pet |
| 02:34.27 | ckknight | jk |
| 02:34.29 | Bibi | :( |
| 02:34.42 | Shadowed | I was going to say an unfortunate result |
| 02:34.46 | Shadowed | but byproduct seemed nicer |
| 02:34.51 | kd3 | so does this mean bibi's relocating to the great state of 'bama? |
| 02:34.57 | kd3 | hick capital of the southeast? |
| 02:35.11 | Warloco | lets be honest here, Curse bought MMO-C because MMO-C is a big success, it wouldnt have been without boubs |
| 02:35.20 | ckknight | wth, we have a huge biotech and military industry as well as NASA, kd3 |
| 02:35.21 | kd3 | puts on his state of georgia hat |
| 02:35.21 | Shadowed | Wouldn't it be bay area? |
| 02:35.23 | Shadowed | since they are based there |
| 02:35.57 | ckknight | we have a development team in Huntsville, AL |
| 02:36.02 | Bibi | kd3: FRANCE FOR LIFE BITCHES! |
| 02:36.06 | ckknight | and sales and marketing and such is in San Francisco |
| 02:36.08 | kd3 | lol |
| 02:36.13 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 02:36.18 | Thunder_Child | not a very long life then |
| 02:37.45 | ckknight | Warloco: buying Bibi wouldn't've worked in this post-Civil War world |
| 02:37.59 | Warloco | hehehe |
| 02:38.36 | Warloco | buying out MMO-C and shelving Boubs would've probably worked out for the worse aswell though, in the long run anyway |
| 02:42.24 | Warloco | so I take it the moderator staff and all that is staying around |
| 02:42.55 | ckknight | why wouldn't they? |
| 02:43.30 | Warloco | I'm assuming they would, though some coorporate take-overs are different |
| 02:43.41 | Warloco | I figured this wouldn't be one of the different ones :p |
| 02:44.35 | ckknight | yea, the staff is staying on, afaik |
| 02:45.41 | ckknight | only thing Curse will do is provide connections, handle the servers and such, provide expertise on scaling the site so it has better uptime and better load times, and eventually upgrading the software to be more scalable |
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| 02:48.35 | Ressy | so how's the connection going to work? Is it going to become part of the Curse Network? Are we gonna lose our posts (again) on mmochamp? |
| 02:48.39 | Warloco | if there's one request I have for the future of MMO-C, it'd be to keep it simple. I don't mean featureless, but I do like not having a ton of crap on the front page that i'll never use |
| 02:48.55 | Jinivus|atWork | ~derp |
| 02:48.55 | purl | herp |
| 02:49.27 | Ressy | Or will we link a mmo champ account with a curse account, and that'll be that. |
| 02:49.49 | ckknight | Ressy: your posts should not go away. Your user accounts might be merged with your curse accounts, later. |
| 02:50.01 | Ressy | gotcha. thx :) |
| 02:50.19 | ckknight | Curse has been pretty good in the past about preserving content |
| 02:50.52 | Ressy | Curse will own all soon. lawl. >.> |
| 02:50.54 | ckknight | and if and when we merge the user accounts, your content will still not go away |
| 02:50.57 | ckknight | nah |
| 02:51.00 | ckknight | just the good stuff |
| 02:51.02 | Ressy | lol |
| 02:51.09 | Warloco | Heh |
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| 02:52.00 | Ressy | Well, at least mmo champ will be moved to stable servers. Its been buggy as hell since they moved to the new system. :( |
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| 02:53.28 | ajmitch | I imagine they have a fair bit of load to handle |
| 02:53.48 | ckknight | yea, the server move won't be right away, it'll be in a few months or so |
| 02:53.50 | ckknight | not sure. |
| 02:53.54 | ckknight | I don't do much with the servers |
| 02:54.21 | Warloco | What exactly did you mean by curse being good at presenting news? |
| 02:54.31 | Warloco | ah nevermind |
| 02:54.36 | Warloco | <- Dyslectic |
| 02:54.47 | Warloco | I read Presenting, you said preserving |
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| 02:56.09 | ckknight | yea, preserving content between software versions and such |
| 02:57.12 | Warloco | I figured the moment I realized you actually said preserving :p |
| 02:58.56 | Torhal | Bibi: I can just see it now - the header for all of the MMO-C pages saying "FRANCE FOR LIFE BITCHES!" |
| 03:00.31 | Warloco | harsh |
| 03:01.01 | Torhal | Warloco: Harsh? I was just quoting something he'd typed earlier. |
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| 03:01.41 | Warloco | I wasnt referring to what you said :p |
| 03:01.56 | Warloco | I was referring to Boubs internet connection's response to it! |
| 03:02.11 | Jinivus|atWork | ~delete Warloco |
| 03:02.12 | purl | ACTION glares at Warloco and then takes every step necessary to completely delete Warloco and destroy any and all evidence that Warloco ever existed |
| 03:02.24 | Lunessa | wait, Bibi leaves, bleeter enters. Clark Kent Effect? |
| 03:02.32 | ckknight | ...yes |
| 03:02.40 | kd3 | that'd be crazy. teleporting across the planet in mere seconds |
| 03:03.06 | Warloco | cries out withering away. I'm melting! I'm melting! |
| 03:03.56 | Lunessa | Superman can travel interstellar distances, crossing the planet in mere seconds is ... trivial. |
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| 03:04.43 | Warloco | wb |
| 03:05.54 | Jerub | i want to know how he can travel interstellar distances being so far from getting a funky high from our yellow sun |
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| 03:12.27 | Kraps | whats going on with france? |
| 03:12.54 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: there is more than one |
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| 03:13.04 | Thunder_Child | he makes detours to get refills |
| 03:15.47 | amro | ~poke Shirik |
| 03:15.48 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 03:18.14 | bleeter | Lunessa: /quit |
| 03:18.50 | Lunessa | Jerub: Would he fly around downtown? |
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| 03:22.28 | mikma | uh, eh, oh, .... http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ -> MMO-Champion acquired by Curse |
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| 03:23.29 | Warloco | man, addons get confirmed fast these days |
| 03:26.39 | Torhal | Warloco: ? |
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| 03:27.09 | Warloco | yeah? |
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| 03:27.52 | Warloco | Torhal ? |
| 03:30.13 | Lunessa | turns into Bruce Wayne |
| 03:30.32 | Warloco | "We have to hunt down all the terrible bugs we have on the design. I mean, did you try to open the current site with IE7?" |
| 03:30.32 | Warloco | Boubs, to be fair- chances are those bugs are IE7 being buggy, not the website |
| 03:31.44 | nicoli_s | man, i new this was gonna be a fun day |
| 03:31.52 | nicoli_s | time to read all these awesome flames |
| 03:32.08 | nicoli_s | i love everytime they compare the huge comapny of curse to wowinterface or wowhead :P |
| 03:32.16 | nicoli_s | which are also owned by large comapnies |
| 03:32.27 | nicoli_s | just like mmo champion was owned by a large comapny |
| 03:32.49 | Warloco | well yes but you see, company-x is the devils spawn! |
| 03:33.14 | nicoli_s | well it cant be anywhere near as bad as the wowmatrix days |
| 03:33.28 | nicoli_s | funny to still see some idiots posting about that on the champ news post though |
| 03:35.18 | Warloco | man I should seriously go hit the sacks |
| 03:35.25 | nicoli_s | i feel the need to register and teach some idiot,s but i just cant force myself to do it |
| 03:36.05 | Warloco | It's kind of naive to think you could teach idiots |
| 03:36.18 | Ressy | ^ |
| 03:36.43 | nicoli_s | well you know, sometimes when showsn real evidence some people see their idiocy |
| 03:36.46 | nicoli_s | not all but some |
| 03:36.58 | DWSR | Never. If they did, they wouldn't be idiots. |
| 03:37.00 | nicoli_s | and when there SO MANY idiots, i figure i could conevrtr at least a few |
| 03:37.03 | Warloco | those people arent really idiots then |
| 03:37.06 | Warloco | theyre just stubborn |
| 03:38.12 | Warloco | I'm stubborn as hell myself, and I don't change my stance easily. But heck, I can be convinced by a good argument. That's part of what makes me not an idiot :p |
| 03:41.29 | nicoli_s | it just cracks me up their main arguements are about curse's size, when pretty much all the big wow sites are owned by big comapnies |
| 03:41.44 | Shadowed | Actually I don't think any of the big wow sites aren't owned by a big company |
| 03:42.08 | nicoli_s | yet somehow we are the only ones who are bad just because we are big |
| 03:42.23 | Shadowed | actually wait who owns tentonhammer |
| 03:42.24 | DesertDwarf | Where do I find the option to turn on author portal in wow-i? |
| 03:43.02 | Jerub | Warloco: i find stance changing relaly annyoing, i never changed stance for charge before i got the talent that let me use it in defensive stance |
| 03:43.44 | Warloco | what about berserker rage on whatshisface |
| 03:44.01 | Warloco | last boss in MH |
| 03:44.07 | DesertDwarf | I found it (author portal option). |
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| 03:56.17 | DesertDwarf | Anybody know anything about switching from curseforge SVN to wowinterface SVN? I don't want to use SVN at both, I just want to SVN at wow-i. I'm currently using curseforge. |
| 04:01.06 | nicoli_s | why jumping the curseforge ship? |
| 04:03.20 | DesertDwarf | I prefer wow-i and didn't know I could turn on ticket/feature request so easily. |
| 04:03.21 | Cide | it's sinkin' |
| 04:03.29 | Shadowed | mmmm |
| 04:03.39 | Cide | and restin' |
| 04:03.40 | Shadowed | The easiest would be to just move all the files and add them, but you'll lose history with that |
| 04:04.07 | Shadowed | I'm actually not entirely sure how you would migrate log and history thought, most of what I'm seeing seems to imply you have access to the server |
| 04:04.23 | DesertDwarf | Ehh...my addon's not very old, so there's not a lot of history to move. |
| 04:06.10 | ajmitch | does wowinterface support anything but svn? |
| 04:06.39 | Shadowed | Only SVN right now, git is planned (I believe), but don't quote me on that |
| 04:06.46 | Cairenn|afk | not yet, we're working on getting Git |
| 04:07.00 | ajmitch | is too used to bazaar anyway |
| 04:07.16 | Shadowed | what she said |
| 04:08.02 | DesertDwarf | Cairenn, please ignore my PM from last night. I read the answer on the forums after I got home from work today. |
| 04:08.13 | Cairenn|afk | DesertDwarf: no worries |
| 04:09.14 | Jinivus|atWork | pokes Cairenn |
| 04:09.32 | Cairenn|afk | wha? |
| 04:12.19 | Kaelten | ajmitch: I've found bzr to be too slow for my taste, but that may have improved since I last tried it |
| 04:13.08 | ajmitch | it has improved a lot, I'm mostly using daily for smaller projects at work though |
| 04:13.20 | ajmitch | as well as some occasional ubuntu-related stuff |
| 04:14.36 | Kaelten | that's cool |
| 04:14.51 | Kaelten | I'm a hg fan myself, found it to fit my needs best at the time when I was looking around |
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| 04:16.02 | ajmitch | most of the difference seems to come down to what each person is used to these days |
| 04:16.03 | nicoli_s | Kaleten:according to mmo-champ news comments, yer the only good guy at curse :P |
| 04:16.54 | Cairenn|afk | and this is news, how? |
| 04:17.02 | Cairenn|afk | :p |
| 04:17.02 | Jinivus|atWork | ~Kaelten |
| 04:17.03 | purl | kaelten is probably the admin of wowace.com and sometimes types things into wrong winDROP DATABASE wowace_wiki;...aw, dammitall. |
| 04:17.23 | Shadowed | haha nicoli_s |
| 04:17.27 | Shadowed | is that what everyone is saying in the comments |
| 04:17.35 | kd3 | ~factinfo Kaelten |
| 04:17.35 | purl | kaelten -- created by Matrix110 <i=bla@pD957FC98.dip.t-dialin.net> at Wed Jul 11 18:46:34 2007 (1104 days); last modified at Wed Jul 11 18:46:43 2007 by Antiarc|Work!n=cheald@208.187.119.42; it has been requested 7 times, last by Jinivus|atWork, 32s ago. |
| 04:17.43 | nicoli_s | shadowed:just one guy, was just extra funny |
| 04:17.49 | Shadowed | Kaelten: Was that what happened when the wowace wiki got deleted? |
| 04:17.50 | nicoli_s | also, Cairenn|afk:ouch |
| 04:17.55 | Cairenn|afk | ;) |
| 04:17.59 | Kaelten | nicoli_s: oh, I haven't gotten that far :) |
| 04:18.16 | Kaelten | hugs Cairenn|afk |
| 04:18.23 | Cairenn|afk | hugs kale |
| 04:18.28 | Cairenn|afk | Kaelten% |
| 04:18.30 | Cairenn|afk | gah |
| 04:18.43 | Kaelten | I'm not a garnish! |
| 04:18.47 | Kaelten | sniffles |
| 04:19.04 | Cairenn|afk | you aren't a main course, either |
| 04:19.22 | Kaelten | now that's harsh |
| 04:19.31 | Kaelten | can I at least be a sweet decadent dessert? |
| 04:19.46 | Cairenn|afk | you can dream |
| 04:19.53 | Shadowed | is scared of Cairenn|afk |
| 04:21.06 | Torhal | Cairenn|afk: Did you get my PMs from a few days ago by chance? |
| 04:21.44 | Cairenn|afk | Torhal: probably |
| 04:21.56 | Cairenn|afk | ;) |
| 04:21.59 | Torhal | Hehehe |
| 04:22.10 | Torhal | Damn migraines! |
| 04:22.24 | Jinivus|atWork | ^ |
| 04:22.27 | Cairenn|afk | ^^ |
| 04:22.47 | Jinivus|atWork | ^_^? |
| 04:22.49 | nicoli_s | yay, my sc2 map editor can now load maps from directories, so as to support svn :) |
| 04:24.51 | Jinivus|atWork | :D |
| 04:27.22 | Kaelten | nice nicoli_s |
| 04:27.56 | nicoli_s | we will prob get around to doing a public beta before too long |
| 04:28.06 | nicoli_s | and then bug reports yayyyy |
| 04:28.18 | Wobin | omg |
| 04:28.21 | Wobin | they brought up wowmatrix? |
| 04:28.25 | Wobin | my god |
| 04:28.31 | Wobin | can't they let it DIE? |
| 04:28.44 | nicoli_s | cuz it was free! |
| 04:29.16 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5590907/30-things-we-will-know-about-video-games-in-30-years |
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| 04:30.19 | Kraps | 7) We will know, if games are anything like writing and film-making and board games, a video game about the Holocaust. |
| 04:30.25 | Kraps | holy,,, |
| 04:30.40 | Wobin | "just quoteing this for no apperent reason, don't ban me." |
| 04:30.42 | Wobin | ... |
| 04:30.45 | Wobin | please ban him |
| 04:31.28 | Kraps | you talkin to me? |
| 04:32.56 | Jerub | Kraps: no |
| 04:34.42 | Kaelten | Wobin: lol, I know, gotta love em.... |
| 04:35.10 | Wobin | that thread is so chock full of entitlement wank, it's overflowing onto the keyboard... |
| 04:38.13 | ajmitch | why are you surprised at this? :P |
| 04:38.21 | Wobin | "i don't know all the technical details but this feels like you're selling out your loyal fans" |
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| 04:38.37 | Wobin | I can't even being to describe that statement |
| 04:38.41 | Wobin | *begin |
| 04:39.00 | Kaelten | ~comfort Wobin |
| 04:39.01 | purl | There, there, Wobin. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:40.03 | Kraps | whos the chick in SC2? |
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| 04:41.12 | Kaelten | can't remember her name, but she's voiced by the hot blond robot from BSG |
| 04:41.34 | kd3 | kerrigan? |
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| 04:41.52 | Kraps | kd3: no |
| 04:42.17 | Kraps | the trailer has a blond/redhead |
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| 04:43.03 | Kaelten | oh, hrm, not sure then |
| 04:44.33 | Cide | tricia helfer does kerrigan's voice |
| 04:50.39 | DesertDwarf | Welp, I'm going to play WoW a bit before Curse buys it. |
| 04:51.01 | Kaelten | DesertDwarf: damnit, don't spoil tommorrows news post like that |
| 04:51.07 | Ressy | lol |
| 04:51.35 | Torhal | Good way to cover Kaelten - letting him think that isn't old news. |
| 04:51.37 | Torhal | Oh |
| 04:51.39 | Torhal | Whoops. |
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| 04:52.06 | Kaelten | damnit torhal, either code something useful or go bake some bread! |
| 04:52.14 | kd3 | mm... fresh-baked bread |
| 04:52.29 | Kaelten | kd3: seen the pics of my recent efforts? |
| 04:52.39 | kd3 | nein. what's cooking? |
| 04:52.45 | DesertDwarf | Hey, I'm covered. I got me a nice, shiny Curse ... umm (...goes to look up what it's called ... oh, yaeh) ... Premium membership. Mmmm, yummy! |
| 04:52.48 | Kaelten | kd3: http://twitpic.com/photos/Kaelten |
| 04:53.07 | kd3 | ooh |
| 04:53.52 | Kaelten | can't wait to try the loafs again, going to use shortening instead of that spread, and have some real bread pans so they should come out the right shape |
| 04:53.52 | kd3 | damn it, now I'm hungry and it's 1 am |
| 04:53.55 | Dashkal_ | Kaelten: Kitty! |
| 04:54.01 | kd3 | grr |
| 04:54.08 | Kaelten | Dashkal: his name is Nua :) |
| 04:54.18 | Cide | Kaelten is baking bread in his oven |
| 04:54.38 | Cide | s/bread/a bun/ |
| 04:54.39 | Kaelten | Cide: indeed :D |
| 04:54.49 | Kaelten | no just loaves :( |
| 04:55.00 | kd3 | smirks |
| 04:55.01 | Cide | whatever you say |
| 04:55.44 | Trela | Kaelten: Damn it, now I am hungry. D: |
| 04:56.21 | Kaelten | Trela: come over and have a slice of bread withs ome nutella on it :) |
| 04:56.55 | Trela | Midnight, man. :P |
| 04:57.02 | Jerub | http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/world-of-warcraft |
| 04:57.03 | Jerub | lol |
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| 05:00.31 | Kaelten | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/facd5509-db47-42ac-9a9e-09a05709a8a1.jpg |
| 05:02.48 | Jerub | heh, using uuids for fail images |
| 05:11.46 | Dewin | Hmm. The new beta battle.net site seems to let me add multiple trial WoW subscriptions... simultaneously. |
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| 05:13.37 | Kraps | lol @ mel gibson |
| 05:14.49 | Kraps | I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 05:22.42 | Jinivus|atWork | ~warcraft |
| 05:22.43 | purl | warcraft is, like, understood by looking at the two words that make it up-- warc and raft. Since warcs are extinct, warcrafts are not in great use anymore. |
| 05:22.59 | Wobin | awesome |
| 05:24.35 | Wobin | ~factinfo warcraft |
| 05:24.35 | purl | warcraft -- last modified at Mon Nov 28 08:50:36 2005 by Ktron!n=chatzill@student2a-64.unh.edu; it has been requested 7 times, last by Jinivus|atWork, 1m 52s ago. |
| 05:25.17 | cogwheel | lulz |
| 05:29.53 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn-YesqzvNk |
| 05:34.39 | olafski | lol at all the curse hate on mmo-c :P |
| 05:36.00 | mikma | hehe |
| 05:36.02 | Grum | yeah |
| 05:36.11 | Grum | fanboys going ballistic ftw |
| 05:36.28 | Grum | 'I still dont trust Curse', 'No bloody premium or i am out of here!' .. lal |
| 05:36.32 | olafski | :) |
| 05:36.35 | olafski | I'm already premium anyway |
| 05:36.41 | Grum | yeah same |
| 05:37.08 | Grum | and 'since curse took over WoR the site has been super slow and sucky' ... |
| 05:37.19 | olafski | I've never been to WoR to begin with |
| 05:37.23 | Grum | well .. go look in the interwebs archive on how the WoR looked compared to it looks now |
| 05:37.25 | olafski | mmo-c has enough info for me :P |
| 05:37.39 | olafski | I just go there every day, read the latest post and close it again.. and I don't even play wow |
| 05:37.50 | olafski | anyway, off to work, cya and grats bibi :) |
| 05:37.59 | Trela | Grum: WoR is tons faster than it used to be. |
| 05:38.16 | Grum | Trela: yeah indeed |
| 05:38.22 | Grum | and not just a tiny amount of tons |
| 05:38.24 | Grum | its bloody instant |
| 05:38.27 | Grum | also on patch madness |
| 05:38.51 | Trela | That is where will be getting MMO-C in a few weeks. :D |
| 05:40.22 | Grum | i remember this as the 'old' WoR: http://web.archive.org/web/20080328133759/http://www.worldofraids.com/ |
| 05:40.57 | Grum | WoR got a lot more content-content, like stories, stuff into lore etc |
| 05:41.13 | Jamash | no night elf porn, huh |
| 05:41.18 | Grum | no :((( |
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| 05:54.00 | Torhal | Kaelten: "Curse buys Google." |
| 05:54.35 | Trela | Torhal, that would be epic. |
| 05:54.43 | Trela | No, legendary quality. |
| 05:57.50 | Torhal | Hah |
| 05:58.30 | Fisker | what's up with all the old news? |
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| 06:04.15 | Arrowmaster | wow i looked at the comments on mmo-c and theres blatant misinformation about curse from the haters, imho that kinda stuff should be removed |
| 06:06.57 | Corrodias2 | curse is evil, though, isn't it? |
| 06:07.03 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:07.07 | Corrodias | *gasp* |
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| 06:13.20 | Wobin | actually, bibi should prune those posts, and put in the post the reason |
| 06:13.31 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 06:13.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 06:13.55 | Arrowmaster | or at least just edit them to add a 'message from the editor' |
| 06:13.57 | Wobin | "Curse has not been <X> and <Y> is patently incorrect, etc" |
| 06:14.07 | Wobin | nah, just delete them |
| 06:14.19 | Wobin | put the reasons in the post itself |
| 06:14.22 | Jinivus|atWork | ~delete Wobin |
| 06:14.23 | purl | ACTION glares at Wobin and then takes every step necessary to completely delete Wobin and destroy any and all evidence that Wobin ever existed |
| 06:14.25 | Wobin | that way everyone reads it |
| 06:14.27 | Corrodias | no, alter them to completely reverse the meaning |
| 06:15.03 | Wobin | s/Curse/Ponies/ |
| 06:15.03 | Wobin | "OMG I hate Ponies, Ponies hacked my system!" |
| 06:15.19 | Jinivus|atWork | xD |
| 06:15.27 | Wobin | "Ponies left a trojan on my computer =(" |
| 06:15.58 | Corrodias | my little pony goes cyber-terrorist |
| 06:16.30 | Morkesh | s/Curse/"My own stupidity"/ |
| 06:16.35 | Morkesh | would certainly be alot more fitting |
| 06:16.38 | Zernin | Anyone know where I can track down localized client stuff? (particularly how /roll looks) |
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| 06:16.48 | Arrowmaster | you cant |
| 06:16.53 | Arrowmaster | because its not in the UI |
| 06:17.48 | Zernin | I figured, which is why I was wondering if anyone knew where I could track it down, if anyone had a database of such things somewhere |
| 06:18.02 | Zernin | or I just need to think of some other add-on that would be localized and tracks rolls... |
| 06:18.14 | Morkesh | hmm |
| 06:18.45 | Morkesh | i've no idea, but cant you make an addon listen for "rolls" in the chat? |
| 06:18.59 | Arrowmaster | "inb4 curse buys wowhead.com" "Oh God please NO, just No." |
| 06:19.00 | Jamash | Hey guys so I hear that any company that makes sensible business decisions is a sellout. |
| 06:19.01 | Arrowmaster | idiots |
| 06:19.04 | Morkesh | or does the yellow text work in mysterious ways |
| 06:19.31 | Jamash | I saw a post accusing *Google* of selling out. |
| 06:19.31 | Morkesh | so i've read yeah Jamash, interesting twist in the business world it seems |
| 06:19.53 | Jamash | I'm unclear exactly how a company that makes 99% of its revenue from advertising can "sell out" |
| 06:19.55 | Zernin | mysterious ways sort of |
| 06:21.01 | Jamash | Mysterious ways = is generated by the server |
| 06:21.25 | Zernin | it comes down from on high via the "CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM" event |
| 06:21.48 | Zernin | which includes more than just rolls |
| 06:21.58 | Jamash | it includes a lot of things |
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| 06:22.28 | Zernin | anyone here play in localized client that can even confirm it appears differently in those clients? |
| 06:22.47 | Arrowmaster | it does |
| 06:22.52 | Morkesh | looking at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM it would appear though that you can easily track system messages to me? of course i'm very new to this whole addon business |
| 06:23.50 | Zernin | Morkesh: you can, the problem lies in the fact that multiple things come down that pipe that aren't neccecarily rolls |
| 06:24.10 | Morkesh | wherein lies the problem? can't you just filter it? |
| 06:24.28 | Zernin | I'm not even certain they follow the "<name> rolls 1(1-100)" format |
| 06:24.33 | Zernin | I can, and I do for english |
| 06:25.13 | Morkesh | according to wowoprogramming.com it's already localized & formatted when the event fires yeah :/ but wouldn't be rocket science to get the german, french and spanish versions would it? |
| 06:25.26 | Morkesh | wowprogramming* pardon me, haven't slept yet |
| 06:25.38 | Zernin | but the way I do that is through pattern matching, and the pattern currently uses rolls |
| 06:25.42 | Zernin | exactly, which is why I am here |
| 06:25.47 | Zernin | to get those versions :) |
| 06:26.37 | Morkesh | arh |
| 06:26.38 | Zernin | without re-installing to add language support if I can manage it, if I even can in the NA region (which I imagine I must be able to for french at the very least) |
| 06:26.46 | Mirrormn | Zernin, are you planning to release an addon with backdoor functionality to hax rolls?? |
| 06:26.51 | Jamash | RANDOM_ROLL_RESULT |
| 06:27.10 | Jamash | "%s rolls %d (%d-%d)" |
| 06:27.32 | Morkesh | Mirrormn: haha reminds me of this guy in a pug, right as the boss went down he wrote "resetting rolls" and spammed /roll for a good 10 times |
| 06:27.39 | Jamash | AFAIK there is no north american french localization |
| 06:27.53 | Jamash | there's spanish for the americas |
| 06:27.54 | Mirrormn | people who don't understand probability = -.- |
| 06:28.05 | Morkesh | he ended up shouting and throwing flames in random directions because i politely asked him if he thought broken mirrors brought bad luck aswell |
| 06:28.09 | Jamash | lemme warm up my dice |
| 06:28.11 | Fisker | hey Jamash |
| 06:28.25 | Jamash | hides under a table. |
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| 06:28.49 | Fisker | what's wrong Jamash ? |
| 06:28.55 | Fisker | lifts the table |
| 06:29.04 | Jamash | Oh hi Fisker, I was looking for my contacts. |
| 06:29.13 | Jamash | Turns out I don't wear contacts. |
| 06:29.19 | Mirrormn | but yeah, you could actually rather easily fix rolls so you would always win them, if you could manage to sereptitiously insert code into an addon that everyone in your raid used |
| 06:29.33 | Jamash | and then get banned from wow forever |
| 06:29.38 | Zernin | thats the string.format pattern, I need to build parse patterns, ex: "(.+) rolls (%d+) %((%d+)%-(%d+)%)" |
| 06:29.43 | Mirrormn | well sure, once people found out about it |
| 06:30.07 | Arrowmaster | Zernin: you can do that by using gsub on the format pattern to replace the formating parts of it |
| 06:30.16 | Jamash | You can damn it arrowmaster |
| 06:30.24 | Mirrormn | Zernin: you might have an easier time just splitting the string on space |
| 06:30.27 | Zernin | lol |
| 06:30.46 | Jamash | part of my addon code is patterns[name] = string.gsub(pattern, "%%s", "(.+)") |
| 06:31.01 | Arrowmaster | you should fix that then |
| 06:31.07 | Arrowmaster | and use (.-) |
| 06:31.52 | Zernin | so long as every language is "%s <localwordforrolls> %d (%d-%d)" yea, I could |
| 06:32.55 | Jamash | For full deformatting you do in fact need to know how each language formats its text |
| 06:32.55 | Morkesh | i thought the thing Jamash posted before, RANDOM_ROLL_RESULT, was the constant that would fit? |
| 06:33.16 | Arrowmaster | but that is for the loot rolling isnt it? |
| 06:33.21 | Arrowmaster | not the /roll output |
| 06:33.30 | Mirrormn | I think so |
| 06:33.40 | Morkesh | isen't it technically the exact same text? |
| 06:33.44 | Arrowmaster | wait no |
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| 06:33.53 | Arrowmaster | that would have to be the /roll |
| 06:34.13 | Arrowmaster | i didnt think the system messages had formatting strings |
| 06:34.20 | Morkesh | yes, else it would be "<name> rolled <disenchant/need/greed>" etc. |
| 06:35.15 | Zernin | the constant is what the UI uses as a parameter to string.format the rolls it receives from the server I imagine |
| 06:36.02 | Mirrormn | yeah, that's what it looks like |
| 06:36.03 | Zernin | I'm about to go youtube boss kills for the damned strings :/ |
| 06:36.12 | Mirrormn | but you'd need to get the RANDOM_ROLL_RESULT values from other clients |
| 06:36.19 | Morkesh | what are you trying to do anyway? :P |
| 06:36.26 | Mirrormn | I bet it would be easier to go off screenshots |
| 06:36.39 | Mirrormn | Morkesh: I told you, he's writing some roll hax, obviously |
| 06:36.53 | Zernin | parse rolls, which I am already doing, all I really need is copy/pastes for local clients |
| 06:36.54 | Morkesh | well durr -.- :P figured i'd give him a chance to explain himself |
| 06:37.25 | Zernin | except that would get me nowhere unless I just liked deceiving myself since no one else would see my changes... |
| 06:37.28 | Mirrormn | but more likely, I'm betting he's writing a mod that grabs rolls from chat and displays them in some kind of custom format where they can be viewed easily |
| 06:37.37 | Zernin | yep |
| 06:37.39 | Zernin | master loot manager |
| 06:37.41 | Zernin | its on curse |
| 06:37.43 | Jamash | here we go |
| 06:37.47 | Zernin | well, master loot manager remix |
| 06:37.55 | durcyn | reinvent that wheel, sparky. |
| 06:38.16 | Jamash | LOOT_ROLL_ROLLED_(DE|GREED|NEED) |
| 06:38.20 | Torhal | Fuck the wheel! Make something different! |
| 06:38.32 | Mirrormn | yknow there are tire and auto parts companies that spend almost all their time reinventing wheels |
| 06:38.33 | Jamash | six sided wheels are the new hotness |
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| 06:40.13 | Mirrormn | now what would be cool is if you parsed the roll out from chat and then displayed it on-screen as an animation of a 2d10 roll |
| 06:40.35 | Jamash | with havok physics |
| 06:40.40 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 06:40.42 | Mirrormn | absolutely |
| 06:41.08 | Mirrormn | if you're not gonna back up your dice roll animations with a solid physics engine then whats the point |
| 06:41.21 | Morkesh | what i need, is for someone to make an animated amiga ball to bounce around my screen as i idle hardcore in Dalaran |
| 06:41.32 | Jamash | a wow screensaver, interesting |
| 06:41.43 | Morkesh | seems possible? |
| 06:41.44 | Arrowmaster | did you just say 'havok' and 'solid physics engine' together? |
| 06:41.47 | Jamash | punch the monkey, win 1000g |
| 06:42.06 | Morkesh | better yet jamash, miss the monkey and have a random epic deleted |
| 06:42.18 | Mirrormn | all right, Arrowmaster, what physics engine *should* we use for dice roll animations? |
| 06:42.36 | Arrowmaster | i dont know but not one thats like 10 fucking years old yet still getting used |
| 06:42.36 | Gnarfoz | physx, obviously |
| 06:42.37 | Fisker | kisses Jamash |
| 06:42.37 | Mirrormn | and please port it to lua for me |
| 06:43.02 | Arrowmaster | i cringe when i see the logos for old ass shit on new games like havok and especially bink |
| 06:43.03 | Morkesh | joked around with my raidleader to make an addon that would change the readycheck popup, instead of yes/no you'd get a riddle or a math question, if you failed it would reply no because clearly you weren't mentally in a state to raid |
| 06:43.13 | Mirrormn | Arrowmaster: maybe it's still getting used cause it's "solid" ^_^ |
| 06:43.36 | Jamash | I fully agree with you about bink, but there's nothing inherently wrong with using mature middleware |
| 06:43.51 | Arrowmaster | well i know in the case of bink it has absolutely no reason to be used anymore except for the 'clueless manager forced us' reason |
| 06:44.03 | Jamash | nah it's the "royalty-free license" |
| 06:44.06 | Fisker | dismantles Gnarfoz |
| 06:44.24 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: what further dismantlement do you have in mind? do you want to part me from my underwear? |
| 06:44.35 | Arrowmaster | bink has the worst video compression of any codec with significant usage today |
| 06:45.02 | Kalroth | bink is like oooold |
| 06:45.06 | Gnarfoz | too bad you haven't answered the original question, really |
| 06:45.08 | Mirrormn | I think he was referring to removing your organs and selling them on the black market |
| 06:45.16 | mikma | gnarfoz: if you wear thongs or g-strings like cairenn|afk, imma gona part you from them, with my teeth |
| 06:45.18 | Jamash | does bink even support 24-bit color? |
| 06:45.29 | Gnarfoz | mikma: kinky |
| 06:45.31 | Arrowmaster | i dont think so |
| 06:45.38 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 06:45.43 | Fisker | yes Gnarfoz |
| 06:45.45 | Fisker | very much |
| 06:45.58 | Gnarfoz | cool |
| 06:46.00 | Kalroth | I think there's some console legacy thing thats "smart" with bink or something |
| 06:46.21 | Kalroth | Dunno, all gaming hardware should be able to play mpeg4 today |
| 06:46.47 | mikma | gnarfoz: kinky is the normzl way for me |
| 06:46.54 | Cairenn|afk | thongs, yes - g-strings, no. Not interested in running dental floss between my labia then yanking up hard, sorry. |
| 06:47.14 | Cairenn|afk | g-strings HURT |
| 06:47.27 | Morkesh | i have a feeling fisker knows |
| 06:47.28 | Jamash | problem with mpeg4 is royalteeez |
| 06:47.42 | Cairenn|afk | thongs, otoh .... /purr |
| 06:47.44 | mikma | cairenn|afk: the idea of them is to get rid of them asap |
| 06:47.49 | Arrowmaster | i assume you mean h264 when you say mpeg4 |
| 06:47.56 | Kalroth | no |
| 06:48.01 | Jamash | part 2 or part 10, whichever |
| 06:48.06 | Jamash | royalteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez |
| 06:48.07 | Kalroth | divx/xvid |
| 06:48.14 | Cairenn|afk | mikma: you still have to have them on long enough to have them taken off .... and I say again - OW |
| 06:48.34 | Morkesh | Cairenn|afk: gotta suffer for teh sexynezz |
| 06:48.46 | Cairenn|afk | thongs are just as sexy, without the pain |
| 06:48.54 | mikma | cairenn|afk: couple of minutes is too long? man, they must be that awesome |
| 06:49.12 | Jamash | the whole point of mpeg (from a certain perspective) is to exercise patent-based domination over the video encoding business |
| 06:49.27 | mikma | jamash: thats supernerdy |
| 06:49.32 | Kalroth | and they're doing a very good job at it :) |
| 06:49.44 | mikma | we are talking about reming strings with teeth and you are intgerested of mpeg |
| 06:50.00 | mikma | removing* |
| 06:50.07 | Kalroth | mikma: but you're wearing the thongs :( |
| 06:50.13 | Wobin | I was noticing the disparity in subjects |
| 06:50.51 | Mirrormn | I think some people here frankly care more about video encoding than removing gstrings with teeth |
| 06:51.31 | Kalroth | Jamash: are there any HD formats out there that isn't mpeg4 based in some way? |
| 06:51.44 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:51.46 | Jamash | ask Google |
| 06:52.05 | Cairenn|afk | Mirrormn: and some of us care about both ;) |
| 06:52.09 | mikma | kalroth: no, gnarfoz is |
| 06:52.29 | Kalroth | even wma is mpeg4 based |
| 06:52.34 | Kalroth | er, wmv |
| 06:52.38 | Jamash | According to Google, WebM is unencumbered by patents |
| 06:52.41 | mikma | cairenn|afk: removing mpeg with teeth |
| 06:52.46 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 06:52.46 | Jamash | according to mpeg, it isn't |
| 06:52.51 | Kalroth | sure, so is ogg theora |
| 06:52.52 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: its still very similar to h264 though |
| 06:52.57 | Kalroth | but they're both mpeg4 based |
| 06:53.08 | Morkesh | Mirrormn: i care about both aswell, in the sense that i wouldn't want my collection of videos containing g-strings to take up too much space |
| 06:53.50 | Torhal | Mirrormn: I think the point is to encode a video of a g-string being removed with teeth,. |
| 06:54.00 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 06:54.20 | Mirrormn | WebM uses VP8 video |
| 06:54.26 | Morkesh | Torhal: i believe you've found the core of the conversation yes |
| 06:54.29 | Mirrormn | which has a BSD license |
| 06:54.43 | Jinivus | :D |
| 06:54.48 | Mirrormn | is mpeg challenging patent infringement? |
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| 06:54.55 | Jamash | I'm not sure what you mean by "mpeg4-based" |
| 06:55.21 | Morkesh | on the other hand though, it would be more interesting to see an encoded g-string get removed with a video |
| 06:55.30 | Arrowmaster | i dont think they are actually suing over it yet but they are trying to setup a patent pool for it |
| 06:55.57 | Arrowmaster | its so close that one decoder added WebM support in one night just by copying most of their H264 code |
| 06:56.23 | Arrowmaster | or something like that |
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| 06:56.40 | Fisker | digs a grave for Arrowmaster |
| 06:57.43 | Mirrormn | well from what I'm reading, VP8 is based off the same codebase as VP3, which is Ogg Theora |
| 06:57.47 | Jinivus | slaps stolenlegacy around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:57.51 | Jinivus | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:57.52 | Mirrormn | so maybe the compatibility was based on that? |
| 06:58.00 | Zernin | back to the bink discussion, people distributing things on solid media aren't necessarily that concerned with compression |
| 06:58.13 | Mirrormn | the bink discussion sucked |
| 06:58.21 | Jinivus | ^ |
| 06:58.25 | Mirrormn | let's take it one step further back to dice rolling animations |
| 06:58.48 | Mirrormn | and somehow integrate that with gstrings |
| 06:58.51 | Zernin | I'll look for a dice model in the blizzard MPQs and get right on that :p |
| 06:58.52 | Mirrormn | and then I will be happy |
| 06:59.08 | Mirrormn | Zernin: They have the Need roll texture |
| 06:59.21 | Mirrormn | not 3d though! |
| 06:59.23 | Zernin | but its not 6 sided |
| 06:59.40 | Morkesh | Zernin: also the "worn troll dice" texture |
| 06:59.42 | Zernin | can you even slap textures on models in the 3d stuff they let you do? |
| 06:59.50 | Arrowmaster | Zernin: did you miss the part where outside parties have blamed shitty compression on the FF13 360 release needing so many dvds? |
| 06:59.53 | Mirrormn | um |
| 07:00.03 | Mirrormn | yknow, I'm not sure I'd say that's impossible |
| 07:00.12 | Zernin | thats microsofts problem for still using DVDs :) |
| 07:00.26 | Mirrormn | their "model missing" model is just a small cube |
| 07:00.33 | Mirrormn | if you could somehow apply a texture to it |
| 07:00.40 | Mirrormn | voila, dice! |
| 07:00.44 | Zernin | suck it up and get a PS3 :p |
| 07:00.46 | Jamash | that's sony's problem for pretending console games need more than 9GB |
| 07:00.49 | Arrowmaster | well it sorta is since you can only get 6.8GiB on a 360 disc |
| 07:01.30 | Zernin | yep, thats what I was thinking for the dice thing, if I'm ever really really bored I'll look into it :p |
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| 07:02.07 | Jamash | Anyone ever played .kkrieger? |
| 07:02.20 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 07:02.22 | Morkesh | Mirrormn: http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Inv_misc_dice_01.png this one! |
| 07:02.52 | Mirrormn | is that a 10 sided die? |
| 07:03.10 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 07:03.30 | Morkesh | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Inv_misc_dice_02.png <-- the worn troll one if you prefer a 6 sided |
| 07:03.33 | Mirrormn | yknow I think you can use your own models, actually, if you can manage to get them into the right format |
| 07:03.42 | Jamash | .kkrieger is an interesting example of a video game whose screenshots are bigger than the executable itself |
| 07:04.35 | Morkesh | Mirrormn: i'm wondering though, with enough math wouldn't it be possible to animate frames to appear like a cube? like early 3d in flash was done with heavy gradients on squares |
| 07:04.54 | Elkano | Jamash, not if you use the right picture format ;) |
| 07:05.34 | Arrowmaster | Morkesh: i thought the crazy arrow in tomtom was done using just textures and not a model |
| 07:05.49 | Mirrormn | Morkesh: sure, the 3d graphics engine eventually has to render it into 2d anyway |
| 07:06.45 | Mirrormn | you could probably use some textures and heavy use of the Animation system to deform them into a 3d model simulacrum |
| 07:07.05 | Mirrormn | but I doubt it would look very good |
| 07:07.10 | Arrowmaster | we did the 3d arrow thing before the animation system existed |
| 07:07.12 | Mirrormn | unless you started using a lot of polygons ^_^ |
| 07:07.28 | Fisker | kills Arrowmaster |
| 07:07.45 | Arrowmaster | ~Fisker++ |
| 07:08.09 | Fisker | i lold |
| 07:08.13 | Fisker | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 07:08.39 | Mirrormn | maybe the answer here is just to find 100 different videos of people rolling each possible result from 1-100 |
| 07:08.47 | Mirrormn | and then play the videos with a MovieFrame |
| 07:08.49 | Mirrormn | wheeeeee |
| 07:11.57 | Wobin | Fisker: old |
| 07:12.21 | Fisker | rage Wobin |
| 07:12.30 | Fisker | you should bet on duke |
| 07:12.31 | Fisker | always |
| 07:12.59 | Wobin | why? |
| 07:13.22 | Fisker | Huge return on a sure thing |
| 07:17.39 | bleeter | oh dear |
| 07:17.39 | Jamash | I remember when I first downloaded .kkrieger I actually unplugged my internet cable before running it to be sure it wasn't pulling data from the internets |
| 07:18.20 | bleeter | Wobin: Would appear StarCraft-SEA (.sg, 'south east asia') and StarCraft-AU and StarCraft-NZ are all different offices and are unconnected. |
| 07:18.41 | bleeter | Wobin: so although NZ and AU will be told to play on SEA, SEA are not responsible or some shite... /sigh |
| 07:20.16 | Wobin | bleeter: that sounds... terribly detached |
| 07:20.49 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: it is |
| 07:21.00 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: (re the crazy taxi arrow) |
| 07:22.00 | Wobin | also, in regards to 'throwing dice' |
| 07:22.13 | Wobin | just speed up the animation to the point where you can't read numbers til it 'settles' |
| 07:23.07 | bleeter | Wobin: I was asking StarCraft-SEA if they were organising anything for the launch in AU/NZ like they're organising in SG, they told me completely seperate... (on SC-SEA's FB page) |
| 07:23.15 | bleeter | Wobin: 'cept they've deleted their comments now lol |
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| 07:24.44 | Wobin | bleeter: ah, the wonders of non-screened social media =P |
| 07:27.17 | Gnarfoz | <bleeter> Wobin: so although NZ and AU will be told to play on SEA, SEA are not responsible or some shite... /sigh <-- how does that compute? why is there SC-AU and SC-NZ even, then? |
| 07:27.52 | Arrowmaster | why do they even have different regional things like that |
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| 07:33.43 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: idk, beats the crap outta me. i just read 'em as I receive 'em. |
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| 07:48.12 | harl | wuff |
| 07:59.31 | sylvanaar | i finally gave in and pre-ordered sc2 |
| 07:59.38 | sylvanaar | i hope the single player is fun |
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| 08:06.24 | foxlit | lua> math.cos(30/180*math.pi) |
| 08:06.25 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0.86602540378444 |
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| 08:20.35 | cbreak_work | sylvanaar: arstechnica seemed to like it a few weeks ago |
| 08:22.01 | Fisker | failure sylvanaar |
| 08:23.09 | Fisker | slaps cbreak_work around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:23.15 | Fisker | i like you |
| 08:30.41 | Fisker | the quality of alien swarm is awesome btw |
| 08:30.58 | Fisker | alien breed gets laughed out of the channel etc. |
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| 08:57.05 | jnwhiteh | so I have three types of functions, content generators, content transformers, and one unnamed one that will possibly alter the state of a request or possibly just examine the request. Anyone have a suggestion for a name for the latter? |
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| 09:00.37 | Jinivus | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:01.56 | cbreak_work | jnwhiteh: source, filter, secretary |
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| 09:02.11 | jnwhiteh | lol secretary? |
| 09:02.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Techcrunch/~3/zv0WI0iK8nQ/ |
| 09:02.23 | cbreak_work | inspects stuff and changes requests |
| 09:03.25 | jnwhiteh | source and filter make sense |
| 09:03.38 | jnwhiteh | wonder if LTN12 has a name for secretaries. |
| 09:09.14 | cbreak_work | in something I wrote recently I created a source and sink class. the filter class inherits from both. |
| 09:09.38 | cbreak_work | then there's a messagequeue class that does locking. sources have an output queue, sinks an input queue |
| 09:10.04 | jnwhiteh | my work is all simplified by using channel based message passing as the concurrency primitive =) |
| 09:10.05 | cbreak_work | but I don't know how that fits into your scheme, or how messages/requests relate to your situation |
| 09:10.12 | jnwhiteh | so that doesnt' quite fit in :P |
| 09:10.30 | cbreak_work | my message queues are channel based, with mutex for queue access |
| 09:10.40 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 09:10.56 | cbreak_work | the queues are fairly short too. I had long queues but that lead me to use five GB of memory or so after a longer run :/ |
| 09:22.55 | jnwhiteh | I love that I can define methods on functions in this language |
| 09:23.00 | jnwhiteh | =) |
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| 09:33.54 | Wobin | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14129945684&sid=1 |
| 09:33.58 | Wobin | That... is awesome |
| 09:41.48 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 09:41.51 | jnwhiteh | that is pure amazing. |
| 09:42.48 | Maldivia | lol |
| 09:43.14 | Maldivia | I often wondered why I was never attacked by them when playing my druid - now I know why :P |
| 09:43.48 | jnwhiteh | yeah me too |
| 09:43.53 | jnwhiteh | nerf druids |
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| 09:47.02 | Elkano | yeah, just thought the same ^^ |
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| 09:50.43 | Fisker | jnwhiteh men |
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| 10:02.23 | Jinivus | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
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| 10:06.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | This morning is brought to you by http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B002SZRTN6 |
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| 10:08.30 | sylvanaar_atwork | quite a kick |
| 10:09.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | you guys have any info on when/if they are going to enable addons on beta |
| 10:10.10 | Fisker | drat |
| 10:10.16 | Fisker | tv company screwed up |
| 10:10.20 | Fisker | I can watch every channel |
| 10:10.28 | Fisker | except playboy channel :( |
| 10:12.20 | Jinivus | ~Fisker |
| 10:12.20 | purl | it has been said that fisker is like, the #wowace channel troll. worthless, or always one step ahead of the average troll, |
| 10:12.21 | mojosdojo | Fisker: So what's your problem again? ;) |
| 10:12.41 | Jinivus | ~factinfo Fisker |
| 10:12.41 | purl | fisker -- created by sylvanaar_atwork <~sylvanaar@unaffiliated/sylvanaar> at Mon Jun 7 10:22:06 2010 (42 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by Jinivus, 21s ago. |
| 10:13.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | me? |
| 10:13.16 | Fisker | that i can't watch playboy channel mojosdojo :P |
| 10:13.17 | Jinivus | Yussss |
| 10:13.29 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~fisker |
| 10:13.29 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, fisker is like, the #wowace channel troll. worthless, or always one step ahead of the average troll, |
| 10:13.37 | sylvanaar_atwork | i didnt create that |
| 10:13.41 | Jinivus | o.O |
| 10:13.47 | Jinivus | ~factinfo fisker |
| 10:13.47 | purl | fisker -- created by sylvanaar_atwork <~sylvanaar@unaffiliated/sylvanaar> at Mon Jun 7 10:22:06 2010 (42 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by sylvanaar_atwork, 18s ago. |
| 10:13.49 | Fisker | you made the initial one duh |
| 10:13.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | oh |
| 10:14.08 | Jinivus | ~fisker is also on fire |
| 10:14.09 | purl | Jinivus: okay |
| 10:14.12 | Jinivus | ~fisker |
| 10:14.13 | purl | from memory, fisker is like, the #wowace channel troll. worthless, or always one step ahead of the average troll, on fire |
| 10:16.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~sylvanaar_atwork |
| 10:16.17 | purl | no he isnt, he's really at home |
| 10:16.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~emulate sylvanaar |
| 10:16.41 | purl | stack overflow |
| 10:16.47 | Jinivus | ~Jinivus |
| 10:16.48 | purl | Jinivus is Swiftr on Dreadmaul-US, or on fire |
| 10:16.54 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 10:17.06 | Jinivus | lol |
| 10:17.07 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~sylvanaar |
| 10:17.08 | purl | ERROR: stack overflow. |
| 10:17.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | i cant win |
| 10:17.31 | Jinivus | ~delete sylvanaar_atwork |
| 10:17.32 | purl | ACTION glares at sylvanaar_atwork and then takes every step necessary to completely delete sylvanaar_atwork and destroy any and all evidence that sylvanaar_atwork ever existed |
| 10:17.54 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 10:18.00 | sylvanaar_atwork | kisses purl |
| 10:18.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~donation |
| 10:18.19 | purl | Here, go buy yourself something nice. |
| 10:19.07 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl donation is also <reply> Don't spend it all in one place. |
| 10:19.07 | purl | sylvanaar_atwork: okay |
| 10:19.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~donation |
| 10:19.12 | purl | Here, go buy yourself something nice. <reply> Don't spend it all in one place. |
| 10:19.15 | sylvanaar_atwork | meh |
| 10:19.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | i messed it up |
| 10:19.27 | Jinivus | :O |
| 10:19.30 | Jinivus | you brokeded it |
| 10:19.37 | Jinivus | can you remove specific entries? |
| 10:19.44 | Jinivus | i know you can make it forget all of them |
| 10:20.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | i messed it up |
| 10:20.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~donation |
| 10:20.32 | purl | Here, go buy yourself something nice. Don't spend it all in one place. |
| 10:20.34 | sylvanaar_atwork | oops |
| 10:22.08 | Jinivus | emulate Jinivus |
| 10:22.17 | Jinivus | ~emulate Jinivus |
| 10:22.18 | purl | Success. |
| 10:22.26 | Jinivus | pats purl |
| 10:22.42 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl emulate Jinivus is also Fail. |
| 10:22.43 | purl | sylvanaar_atwork: okay |
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| 10:23.39 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~emulate jnwhiteh |
| 10:23.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | oops again |
| 10:23.49 | sylvanaar_atwork | now i will draw his ire |
| 10:23.52 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 10:23.58 | jnwhiteh | ~emulate cladhaire |
| 10:23.59 | purl | ACTION shakes, berries fall to the ground. |
| 10:24.04 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 10:24.06 | jnwhiteh | that's my favorite |
| 10:24.07 | jnwhiteh | I think |
| 10:24.21 | jnwhiteh | ~factinfo emulate cladhaire |
| 10:24.21 | purl | emulate cladhaire -- last modified at Sun Aug 31 10:17:18 2008 by cladhaire!n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire; it has been requested 8 times, last by jnwhiteh, 22s ago. |
| 10:24.31 | jnwhiteh | ~literal emulate cladhaire |
| 10:24.32 | purl | "emulate cladhaire" is "<reply>Good code is something to appreciate like a work of art. || <action> shakes, berries fall to the ground. || <reply> I take the fun out of sandboxes || <reply> Don't tell me how you want to implement it.. tell me what you want it to do." |
| 10:24.46 | Wobin | why does clad have berries? |
| 10:24.50 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~emulate Jinivus |
| 10:24.51 | purl | Success. Fail. |
| 10:24.59 | jnwhiteh | because ckknight said everytime I said *shake* he got an image of me shaking in the wind like a tree =) |
| 10:25.09 | jnwhiteh | one of the best images I've ever been given of myself :P |
| 10:25.48 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 10:25.50 | Fisker | i got a remote |
| 10:25.52 | jnwhiteh | hey Fisker |
| 10:25.59 | jnwhiteh | zomg congrats! |
| 10:26.06 | jnwhiteh | vomits |
| 10:26.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | does that mean you can watch porn from somewhere besides your computer Fisker |
| 10:27.09 | Fisker | yeah sylvanaar |
| 10:27.10 | Fisker | it's great |
| 10:27.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | i have an iPad - all i'm sayin' |
| 10:28.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | that reminds me - i need to transcode some video for the 7 hour flight to CA |
| 10:29.48 | cbreak_work | if you have an iPad, consider TapTapRevolution |
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| 10:41.20 | Sesshu| | MMO-Champion acquired by Curse |
| 10:41.45 | Sesshu| | omg..i think curse is already too big |
| 10:42.36 | Elkano | next on the list is Blizzard ;) |
| 10:42.52 | Sesshu| | hehe |
| 10:47.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | [05:02:20] <sylvanaar_atwork> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Techcrunch/~3/zv0WI0iK8nQ/ |
| 10:48.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | they are going to become the mmo superpower |
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| 12:23.24 | Maldivia | *smirk* http://www.etsy.com/listing/51772143 |
| 12:23.56 | Lopeppeppy | Adorable! |
| 12:25.46 | Ressy | lawl |
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| 12:40.12 | Fisker | gentlemen |
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| 13:06.52 | Nobgul-Sleep | Burp |
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| 13:10.45 | |Jelly| | Oh hey look, wowdevui is completely different from wowuidev! |
| 13:12.06 | Lopeppeppy | Why yes dear, it very is. :) |
| 13:12.11 | cbreak_work | palpay's different too. |
| 13:14.31 | foxlit | sc2 patch, or broken login servers? |
| 13:18.25 | foxlit | Ah, they're done. |
| 13:23.04 | cbreak_work | beta's still running? |
| 13:23.11 | foxlit | No. |
| 13:23.57 | cbreak_work | my current statistics: (from memory) 9 wins, 27 losses. |
| 13:24.23 | foxlit | yikes. Evil matchmaker? |
| 13:24.44 | cbreak_work | the first five put me into silver, even though I have little clue about RTS and SC2 |
| 13:24.52 | cbreak_work | took ages to drop to bronze |
| 13:25.08 | foxlit | Not that the leagues matter. |
| 13:25.19 | cbreak_work | it does for enemy selection I think |
| 13:25.24 | foxlit | Nope. |
| 13:25.29 | foxlit | They cross-match like crazy. |
| 13:25.48 | cbreak_work | anyway, I don't think there were many who were as bad as me to match me with :) |
| 13:26.48 | cbreak_work | final will reset everything again |
| 13:26.54 | cbreak_work | most likely |
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| 13:33.05 | newbie | cbreak: I was about 15/15, I think |
| 13:38.37 | cbreak_work | Part of my bad statistic comes from bugs in SC2, but 90% of it is because I am not that good at it :/ |
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| 13:48.02 | Ressy | Wow. I can't believe the people in the thread about mmochampion becoming part of Curse. Seriously.. Half of them are retarded. Blaming Curse for them getting a keylogger because they couldn't be bothered to keep their computer up to date... *facepalms* |
| 13:48.47 | A-KO | that said |
| 13:48.48 | Lopeppeppy | It's never the user's fault! *big innocent eyes* It was the evil evil website!! |
| 13:48.53 | A-KO | Curse could choose its advertisers more carefully, too |
| 13:48.57 | A-KO | if that did indeed happen |
| 13:49.08 | A-KO | I would personally drop any advertiser that spread a trojan through my sites |
| 13:49.12 | A-KO | pretty much immediately |
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| 13:51.05 | Kaso | A-KO: problems become a) identifying which advert caused the problem b) there are alot of advertisers, spammers can always start up new advertising accounts |
| 13:51.27 | newbie | A-KO: actually we have become more picky about our ads |
| 13:51.33 | newbie | wth |
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| 13:51.45 | ckknight | okay |
| 13:51.58 | Lopeppeppy | That's better. :) |
| 13:52.09 | A-KO | I mean, granted, users should be updated :P |
| 13:52.10 | ckknight | actually, with us acquiring mmo-c, our userbase numbers can hit a point where we serve a much better class of ads |
| 13:52.24 | ckknight | e.g. food products like soda and energy drinks |
| 13:52.26 | cbreak_work | pron? |
| 13:52.30 | cbreak_work | oh |
| 13:52.31 | A-KO | lol cbreak |
| 13:53.08 | Wobin | http://www.ted.com/talks/julian_assange_why_the_world_needs_wikileaks.html#20353643775087493386 |
| 13:53.30 | ckknight | I don't get why people think we'd put up a paywall for news content, that'd kill the site |
| 13:53.33 | cbreak_work | I stopped using curse once it got all java-scripty and feature overloaded |
| 13:53.43 | A-KO | same cbreak |
| 13:54.00 | jnwhiteh | curse != 'the curse websites' |
| 13:54.01 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 13:54.06 | cbreak_work | ckknight: some famous news agency put up a paywall for some reputable newspaper. Apparently it failed spectacularly |
| 13:54.06 | jnwhiteh | well, more specifically |
| 13:54.11 | jnwhiteh | Curse != 'curse.com' |
| 13:54.15 | ckknight | cbreak_work: yea, the times |
| 13:54.16 | A-KO | New York Times |
| 13:54.22 | ckknight | yea, new york times, that's it |
| 13:54.57 | batrick | i don't believe it was them |
| 13:55.08 | batrick | but then again, every news agency is trying it so |
| 13:55.14 | batrick | doesn't really matter |
| 13:55.16 | cbreak_work | at this time, there's probably only one or two ways to make money with a web page: adds & value-added subscriptions |
| 13:55.17 | A-KO | I think the allure of MMO-C that everyone is worried about is losing that very..."personal" feel to it in a way....you know, like when Boub posted all the stuff about cata....and then got the smackdown, things like that are less likely to happen in a much more "corporatized" site.. |
| 13:55.42 | ckknight | A-KO: it was already corporatized. |
| 13:55.48 | Lopeppeppy | Why is smackdown so... interesting and desirable? |
| 13:55.52 | A-KO | We all know that it was a BS move to violate the NDA at the time, but nonetheless that's what people and the readers want |
| 13:56.04 | jnwhiteh | Yeah |
| 13:56.11 | jnwhiteh | people seem to not realize rthey were already owned by a company. |
| 13:56.27 | A-KO | yes jnwhiteh, but it never felt that way :P |
| 13:56.33 | ckknight | the real point is, if it happens again, we at least want mmo-c to stay up the whole time and serve pages in a timely manner. :P |
| 13:56.33 | jnwhiteh | and why would that change now |
| 13:56.34 | A-KO | it's like when IGN gobbles up a game site or something |
| 13:56.36 | cbreak_work | people like apple leaks probably for the same reason. Because they are secret :) |
| 13:56.38 | ckknight | not sure if we'll have much say in content |
| 13:56.52 | A-KO | yeah cbreak, that's the stuff that differentiates these days |
| 13:57.12 | cbreak_work | they'd probably get less publicity if they tried to make it public :) |
| 13:58.54 | A-KO | I dunno, it is what it is :P if the site ends up sucking, then people will stop using it |
| 13:59.06 | A-KO | and something else will replace it |
| 13:59.06 | cbreak_work | I don't think so. |
| 13:59.12 | Fisker | slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:59.14 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:59.14 | cbreak_work | that facebook thing sucks, people use it. |
| 13:59.21 | ckknight | the idea is to not have the site end up sucking. |
| 13:59.27 | ckknight | because we want to keep the userbase |
| 13:59.31 | ckknight | why would we alienate people? |
| 13:59.35 | ckknight | hey Fisker |
| 13:59.38 | cbreak_work | fun :) |
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| 14:00.34 | A-KO | ckknight: I think people are just concerned with the potential loss of the identity of the site, as long as the site feels the same, looks mostly the same, and is enhanced to make it easier to use/navigate/etc... |
| 14:00.54 | A-KO | nothing like |
| 14:00.56 | A-KO | when you go t ocurse.com |
| 14:01.00 | A-KO | and it's like "SIGN UP FOR CURSE PREMIUM!" |
| 14:01.05 | A-KO | coughs |
| 14:01.07 | ckknight | Bibi's going to be involved in any redesigns |
| 14:01.17 | A-KO | as soon as that sort of stuff starts popping up |
| 14:01.20 | ckknight | we're probably gonna have banners every now and again that promote curse premium |
| 14:01.20 | A-KO | most people will bail :P |
| 14:01.30 | ckknight | not sure about interstitials |
| 14:01.47 | ckknight | and I also think you give too much credit to most people... |
| 14:01.48 | ckknight | :P |
| 14:02.14 | A-KO | perhaps, but at least the ones that are being vocal right now would :P |
| 14:02.39 | ckknight | people just need another controversy that'll show up in a few weeks |
| 14:02.45 | A-KO | perhaps |
| 14:02.49 | ckknight | they'll get distracted and the wheels of progress will continue |
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| 14:03.11 | ckknight | if 10,000 people leave because of this, it's still worth it, because the rest of the reading public is so large |
| 14:03.19 | ckknight | I think 10,000 is way too high, though |
| 14:03.27 | Fisker | why would anyone leave? |
| 14:03.47 | ckknight | Fisker: because they don't like Curse or more specifically, the idea of Curse |
| 14:04.24 | Fisker | probably retards who think that curse has keyloggers |
| 14:04.49 | ckknight | yep |
| 14:04.56 | Fisker | "herp derp i google curse, didn't check the link and now my account got stolen, lets post about it on the forums but not leave out the part where you are a huge dumbass" |
| 14:06.13 | Ressy | *snickers* |
| 14:06.36 | Fisker | s/but not/but/ :P |
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| 14:07.28 | cbreak_work | I have a strong déjàvu |
| 14:08.05 | Fisker | no. |
| 14:10.56 | Fisker | no cog|away |
| 14:11.13 | Bibi | [16:03:11] <Fisker> why would anyone leave? |
| 14:11.15 | Bibi | -why |
| 14:11.16 | Bibi | +where |
| 14:11.19 | Bibi | evil smile. |
| 14:12.08 | Fisker | cave |
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| 14:16.15 | ckknight | Bibi: wow.com ftw, mang |
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| 14:18.10 | Fisker | LOL |
| 14:18.13 | Fisker | wow.com |
| 14:18.33 | Fisker | wow.com should be disallowed from the internet |
| 14:21.32 | ckknight | why's that? |
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| 14:24.43 | nicoli_s | to cut off the spread of AOL |
| 14:25.22 | Lopeppeppy | The internet social disease. |
| 14:25.25 | ckknight | a lot of the articles are pretty good |
| 14:25.44 | ckknight | they pump out a lot of content |
| 14:28.58 | Fisker | i'm a serial killer |
| 14:29.35 | Fisker | i had an empty icecream wrapper that i hadn't thrown out |
| 14:29.47 | Fisker | so when i lifted it a billion million ants emerged :D |
| 14:30.05 | Fisker | so i took a coaster and killed them all |
| 14:30.32 | Fisker | and the few remaining are running back and forth between the bodies |
| 14:30.34 | Fisker | "WAKE UP JIM" |
| 14:30.39 | Fisker | "THIS GUY IS GOING TO KILL US" |
| 14:31.02 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. Hygiene much, Fisker? |
| 14:31.26 | Fisker | what? |
| 14:31.29 | Fisker | ants like sugar |
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| 14:36.48 | nicoli_s | haha this video is hilarious |
| 14:37.05 | nicoli_s | i cant even tell if its real or not |
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| 14:44.32 | nicoli_s | for anyone who hasnt seen it already, this video is fucking hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQUqBlD4ZNg&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:46.21 | A-KO | oh internets: http://digg.com/world_news/Sex_and_the_City_fan_has_sex_with_1_000_men?t=33911448#c33911448 |
| 14:50.36 | amro | "All I want is a man to love me - not one who just wants me for sex." |
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| 14:50.55 | amro | good luck with that. |
| 14:51.32 | Kraps | http://www.cad-comic.com/sillies/ |
| 14:53.15 | foxlit | http://www.cad-comic.com/sillies/20100624 ? |
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| 14:56.30 | Kraps | wow |
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| 15:00.05 | airtonix | Fisker, can i have you just for fun ? |
| 15:00.49 | airtonix | or are you looking for a man who wants you for your other qualities |
| 15:01.31 | nicoli_s | we is monopolist! |
| 15:02.38 | Ackis | just another cog in the wheel |
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| 15:03.16 | airtonix | prepare to feel the wrath of my lasers |
| 15:03.39 | airtonix | unleaths a few milliwats on the channel |
| 15:03.45 | Kraps | airtonix meant: lazers |
| 15:03.57 | airtonix | no i meant english lasers |
| 15:04.14 | airtonix | not umericun laysoors |
| 15:04.44 | airtonix | i use the upperclass version thanks |
| 15:04.44 | cogwheel | Ackis: silly canadians. at least our wheels are round :P |
| 15:05.17 | Ackis | you're just jealous we have milk in bags |
| 15:05.26 | Kraps | that was such a bad attempt at stereotyping that i cant get offended :/ |
| 15:06.11 | cogwheel | Ackis: we have not bad wine in bags |
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| 15:13.12 | Ackis | best newsline ever: Vader to appear in court |
| 15:13.27 | nicoli_s | chad vader? |
| 15:13.52 | Ackis | http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100720/edm_vader_court_100720/20100720/ |
| 15:16.32 | nicoli_s | his burnt skin is all better nw, good for him\ |
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| 15:21.30 | Ackis | Increases Heroism points gained by 5%. |
| 15:21.34 | Ackis | what's a heroism point? |
| 15:22.07 | frontendloader | the replacement for badges |
| 15:22.12 | Ackis | ah |
| 15:22.18 | Ackis | did all badges convert then? |
| 15:22.41 | frontendloader | no, old badges are still there |
| 15:25.00 | Kaelten | g'morning |
| 15:25.54 | nicoli_s | Kaelten:you know bout mapster right? |
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| 15:27.38 | Warloco | any updates from blizz? |
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| 15:29.41 | Cairenn|afk | no |
| 15:29.52 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.00 | Adys | ~ping |
| 15:31.01 | purl | ~pong |
| 15:32.20 | Fisker | any updates from me? |
| 15:33.48 | |Jelly| | Well, not until ... wait. Damnit! |
| 15:35.11 | Kaelten | nicoli_s: it's fixed, but dns caching may cause it not to appear so |
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| 15:35.44 | nicoli_s | ahh mmk |
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| 15:54.31 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:54.33 | Cairenn|afk | station |
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| 15:55.22 | nicoli_s | station? |
| 15:56.29 | Lopeppeppy | Station! |
| 15:56.29 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:56.32 | |Jelly| | death star? |
| 15:57.47 | Fisker | BUSSTOP |
| 15:58.38 | Nobgul | Trainstation |
| 15:58.40 | Nobgul | 0_o |
| 15:59.21 | Fisker | no |
| 15:59.27 | Fisker | denied |
| 15:59.27 | Nobgul | aww |
| 15:59.36 | Nobgul | Flightpath |
| 15:59.38 | Nobgul | ha! |
| 15:59.55 | xDD | Cairenn, I PMed you about my addon, do you think it is eligible? :o |
| 16:00.05 | Nobgul | 0_o |
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| 16:04.57 | doc-saintly | I'm writing for an MMO API similar to wow. Has anyone here ever seen that wihle a mod's Lua is loading, before a function is defined in the lua, the function name is a table, after it is defined, it is a function, but once everything is loaded, it's a table again? |
| 16:05.45 | airtonix | Fisker, why so serious ? |
| 16:06.28 | Fisker | why so airtonix ? |
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| 16:08.15 | airtonix | why you gotta make me sad |
| 16:09.20 | Fisker | wannna make out? |
| 16:09.26 | airtonix | um |
| 16:09.34 | Lunessa | Fisker: be sure to apply your gel! http://www.physorg.com/news198765851.html |
| 16:09.38 | airtonix | um |
| 16:09.40 | Fisker | always bet on duke Lunessa |
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| 16:09.45 | airtonix | no |
| 16:09.54 | cogwheel | Fisker: always bet on Luke imo |
| 16:10.10 | airtonix | ok i see where this is going |
| 16:10.13 | Fisker | no duke |
| 16:10.31 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 16:10.48 | cogwheel | ohai |
| 16:10.53 | cogwheel | did they steal ur precious yet? |
| 16:11.14 | Fisker | no |
| 16:11.17 | Fisker | they did try though |
| 16:11.34 | Fisker | bugging out on newlines |
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| 16:17.52 | Kraps | "As someone who has purchased or rated books by James Patterson, you might like to know that Daniel X: Demons and Druids will be released on July 26, 2010 |
| 16:17.55 | Kraps | " |
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| 16:22.04 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/14201500208/dear-blizzard-please-read-this/ |
| 16:22.32 | durcyn | ew, animated forum avatars |
| 16:24.23 | foxlit | Amazon shipping is weird -- they seem to want to split an order into three deliveries, seemingly at random. |
| 16:25.23 | Yssaril | foxlit: 3 different warehouses? |
| 16:25.52 | Yssaril | or you order thru amazon from another company :) |
| 16:27.07 | foxlit | Yssaril: that's probably the explanation, but it'd be interesting to see how they decide what stocks into which warehouse. |
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| 16:28.12 | Yssaril | foxlit: if they are smart they get the stuff from their vendor tho their warehouse that is closest instad of having to ship it cross country twice |
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| 16:31.55 | foxlit | Hm, I kind of imagined they'd have their own warehouses. |
| 16:32.20 | foxlit | So there'd be no ordering from vendors involved in shipping stuff to customers, at least not directly. |
| 16:32.59 | Yssaril | foxlit: they have to get it shipped from whoever they get the stuff to their warehouse first though |
| 16:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | Well, they have to get the product from the vendors first, to put it in the warehouses. :) And they likely put it into whichever warehouse is closest to the vendor. |
| 16:35.10 | foxlit | That seems too simple :) |
| 16:35.29 | Yssaril | it probably is :P |
| 16:42.27 | Lunessa | This... rules: http://i.imgur.com/OP2pk.jpg |
| 16:42.30 | mikma | nsfw http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/jesus_sighting.jpg |
| 16:43.40 | cogwheel | mikma: win |
| 16:43.54 | mikma | cogwheel: <3 |
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| 16:49.26 | mikma | http://www.rlslog.net/alcatraz-tycoon-backlash/ |
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| 17:00.15 | Maldivia | Lunessa: nice! |
| 17:00.39 | Lunessa | Maldivia: I want one. Too bad a Tesla Roadster costs "FU" money/ |
| 17:00.41 | Maldivia | mikma: must admit, I prefer the Jesus on True Blood then :P |
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| 17:01.30 | Maldivia | Lunessa: isn't BMW or Mercedes coming out with a "tesle-clone" next year or 2012 ? |
| 17:02.16 | Lunessa | Maldivia: Tesla is coming out with a different model which is not their performance sports car for a much more affordable price. But I don't know about any clones. |
| 17:02.41 | Maldivia | Lunessa: http://www.automobilemag.com/green/news/1008_mercedes_benz_sls_amg_e_cell_prototype/index.html |
| 17:03.28 | Maldivia | Lunessa: all-electric Mercedes, with 526 horse powers... |
| 17:03.51 | Lunessa | Yeah, pretty sweet. Still going to cost "FU" money. |
| 17:04.18 | Lunessa | And since I live in an apartment, I'd have no place to charge it. |
| 17:04.31 | Maldivia | Lunessa: extension cord out the windiw? |
| 17:04.37 | Lunessa | hahaha |
| 17:05.23 | Maldivia | hmm, the tesla model s (the family style car) should be somewhat cheaper |
| 17:06.22 | Maldivia | and te roadster is only $101500 :P |
| 17:07.14 | Maldivia | and they are aiming at a price around $50000 for the model s |
| 17:09.20 | Cairenn|afk | only |
| 17:09.24 | Cairenn|afk | chokes |
| 17:09.36 | nicoli_s | ditto |
| 17:09.42 | nicoli_s | damn richies and their saving the environment |
| 17:10.14 | Maldivia | Cairenn: well, if I could buy that car for $100000 in Denmark, it would be dead cheap :P |
| 17:11.05 | Cairenn|afk | ffs, that can buy a bloody nice house and major chunk of land in some places - pay that for a CAR? I don't bloody think so! |
| 17:11.31 | Maldivia | there's a 180% tax on cars in Denmark... yes you read correct, 180%! |
| 17:11.41 | batrick | whoa |
| 17:11.48 | Cairenn|afk | is just too damn practical for her own good some days, I guess |
| 17:11.56 | Cairenn|afk | wow, why so much? |
| 17:12.40 | Maldivia | no idea - but that's just how it is |
| 17:12.53 | nicoli_s | land > expensive car |
| 17:12.54 | Maldivia | (to clarify, the tax is based on the wholesale price) |
| 17:16.30 | Lunessa | Still, $100K US for a car is, at this point, Fuck You Money. |
| 17:18.29 | Lunessa | Maldivia: Lots of US states charge a "personal property" tax on cars based on their assessed value. Those taxes are very unpopular, especially since you pay them annulay. |
| 17:18.41 | Maldivia | ohh, you do that here as well |
| 17:18.53 | Maldivia | everything is taxed :P |
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| 17:19.34 | NightHawkTheSane | taxes are good :P |
| 17:19.37 | Lunessa | Well, you gotta pay for all those social programs somehow. Why not punish people for having cars? |
| 17:19.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: good way to encourage use of public transit ;) |
| 17:19.59 | Maldivia | ohh, and ofcourse, ontop of the 180% tax on cars, there's the general 25% sales tax :P |
| 17:20.53 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: There are places where public transit makes lots of sense, and there are places it doesn't. I'm not in favor of punishing people for having financial success. |
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| 17:21.26 | A-KO | Lunessa: there's a difference between punishing people for financial success, and ensuring that everyone who lives here helps provide for the public good. It's part of being in a society. |
| 17:21.38 | A-KO | If you don't want to be in society, then don't cry when your house burns down and 911 doesn't answer your call. |
| 17:21.38 | A-KO | :P |
| 17:21.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: neither am i. I am in favor of making people who have resources to spare fiscally responsible for the well being of society |
| 17:22.00 | A-KO | or when your kid drowns, and EMT doesn't show up. |
| 17:22.29 | Lunessa | Yeah, I have resources, so I must give them to those who don't. The very premise is flawed. |
| 17:22.49 | A-KO | The problem we have right now, though, is that many of the people up top, who have more than enough resources to give, aren't giving their fair share. |
| 17:23.11 | A-KO | so they're not even close to providing their fair share, let alone what they actually need to survive :P |
| 17:23.12 | Lunessa | A-KO: I'm not opposed to paying for public services, or building things that are held in public trust. I'm opposed to telling people who do more that they have to carry everyone else. |
| 17:23.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: it's not flawed, it's basic selflessness. |
| 17:23.21 | A-KO | it's basic humanity |
| 17:23.37 | A-KO | It's what we do, it's how we got to where we are |
| 17:23.42 | Lunessa | No, it's government thugs telling me what I have to give. |
| 17:23.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: you can't get blood from a stone, is the problem. if you have more, you have a moral responsibility to DO more. |
| 17:24.10 | Maldivia | Lunessa: bought a new car about two years ago, a toyota avensis wagon, and payed close to 400k DKK, that's around 67k USD -- looked up a similar car online for US prices, couldn't find that model, but something similar was 17.5k USD |
| 17:24.13 | Lunessa | So, if you have money, and I don't, drinks are on you? |
| 17:24.16 | A-KO | Lunessa: The problem is that, for someone who makes 50K/year, their tax rate might be 30%. For someone making 5M/year, their tax rate might be 5%. |
| 17:24.36 | A-KO | if that person making 5M/year paid 30% |
| 17:24.38 | NightHawkTheSane | if everything was equal across the board, the government would simply collapse, because we couldn't tax the poor high enough to pay for.. well.. anything. |
| 17:24.39 | A-KO | or both paid 20% |
| 17:24.53 | Grum | A-KO: what backwards system uses that? O.o |
| 17:24.58 | A-KO | Grum: the US? |
| 17:25.09 | Maldivia | A-KO: here it's just the other way around, the more you earn, the higher a percentage |
| 17:25.11 | A-KO | Grum: You wonder why the US is in financial collapse, that's why :P |
| 17:25.15 | Grum | seriously? the more you earn the less you pay relative to waht you earn? O.o |
| 17:25.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: if i were in a bar with you and had money, and you didn't, yes i'd buy you a few drinks. maybe not all the drinks you wanted, but some. :P |
| 17:25.25 | A-KO | Grum: there's enough loopholes to get around actually paying here |
| 17:25.27 | A-KO | so they end up not paying |
| 17:25.48 | Grum | and loopholes only work from a certain amount of cash? |
| 17:26.18 | A-KO | Grum: if you're rich enough, you pay someone who is versed well enough in the law to find them for you |
| 17:26.21 | A-KO | and work them to your advantage |
| 17:26.26 | A-KO | if you're more rich, you just pay to make sure they're there |
| 17:26.27 | A-KO | :P |
| 17:26.31 | Grum | o.O |
| 17:26.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Grum: msot of the loopholes involve the kind of financial maneouvering that really is only possible when you have extra cash to invest around in various places. |
| 17:26.47 | Grum | yeah guessed so |
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| 17:26.53 | Grum | but isnt that just part of it? |
| 17:27.05 | NightHawkTheSane | the poor are living paycheck-to-paycheck, they can't afford to invest in things that can be used for tax breaks and loopholes |
| 17:27.10 | Grum | also the whole 'making money out of lend money' is supposed to be a cause |
| 17:27.17 | A-KO | Grum: Warren Buffett went around his office a few years back, asked his people to provide how much % they paid in taxes. The average % of pay in his office to taxes was 33%, he paid 17%. |
| 17:27.20 | A-KO | He's the richest man in the office. |
| 17:27.32 | A-KO | It's on youtube :P |
| 17:27.43 | A-KO | He was amazed |
| 17:27.52 | A-KO | that being in the tax bracket he is, that only 17% of his $ went to taxes |
| 17:27.58 | A-KO | while the average was around 30 something % |
| 17:28.12 | A-KO | granted, 17% of his 50B is a lot--but still |
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| 17:28.18 | A-KO | should still be paying a fair % |
| 17:28.18 | Grum | he probably invested so much therefor not really having and liquid assets and nto as much to pay taxes over? |
| 17:28.42 | A-KO | Grum: Pretty sure that was on his personal paycheck :P |
| 17:28.43 | Maldivia | in Denmark, for every DKK earned above 390k DKK (around 66k USD), you pay 55.38% tax |
| 17:28.50 | Lunessa | A-KO: progressive taxes are painful. I've paid very high taxes in such a system. I've paid as much as 50% of my personal income in tax. I'm not opposed to everyone pulling together. I'm opposed to a system which says "Give us X% of your money or go to jail." And I'm opposed to punishing people for having money and rewarding people who don't. |
| 17:28.58 | Grum | Maldivia: we've got a similar system in the netherlands yeah |
| 17:29.11 | Grum | i dont mind paying taxes |
| 17:29.14 | Grum | i do mind paying taxes twice |
| 17:29.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: erm, if the system didn't say "pay taxes or go to jail".. no one would pay taxes |
| 17:29.22 | Grum | when you get an inheritance you pay taxes over that |
| 17:29.28 | Grum | when you win a cash price, you pay taxes over that |
| 17:29.45 | A-KO | Lunessa: systematic problems in where money goes is not something you just say "taxes are bad" over, but you change the system so that the money goes to more efficient causes. |
| 17:29.51 | A-KO | Systematic problems, though. |
| 17:29.59 | Grum | when you have more money than a certain amount you pay yearly taxes over that to surpress the income from the intrest o.o |
| 17:30.03 | Ressy | Ouch. Wow. |
| 17:30.07 | Lunessa | NHTS: No? People want "public" things and are willing to pay for them. I don't think you need to force it on them at gun point or with threats of incarceration. |
| 17:30.28 | A-KO | Lunessa: Every time you go out on a street with your car, you're on a public thing. GTFO my road if you don't want ot pay :P |
| 17:30.38 | A-KO | as soon as you get beyond your property, you're on public property. |
| 17:30.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: erm, actually, no. the people who want the public things are exactly the people who can't afford to pay for them entirely on their own. The Super-Rich don't need public parks, public libraries, public health care, public anything. |
| 17:30.47 | A-KO | which is maintained with taxes |
| 17:31.01 | NightHawkTheSane | they'll say "fuck you", not pay taxes, and let everyone who's not making >500k die in a ditch somewhere |
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| 17:31.11 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: and then parade around it :D |
| 17:31.12 | NightHawkTheSane | (which frankly, is what they do anyway, but i digres) |
| 17:31.16 | A-KO | lol |
| 17:31.19 | A-KO | precisely |
| 17:32.16 | Lunessa | I love how you're painting me as a villain A-KO. I support paying a reasonable amount of taxes for things in the public trust. Roads, schools, emergency services. I don't support the idea that a governing body can take my income with threats of incarceration or force. |
| 17:32.18 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: The funny thing about it is, people who are making < 100K in personal income think they're part of that "elite" because they ahve 2 cars and a house :P |
| 17:32.34 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: little do they know... |
| 17:33.09 | KarlKFI|work | 2 cars and a hosue is solidly middle class |
| 17:33.10 | NightHawkTheSane | if that weren't the case, there wouldn't be stupid things like tax-cuts for the rich, or any debate about public funding, the rich would gladly give their wealth to see those programs succeed, but it's simply not the case. they don't care. |
| 17:34.01 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO: no, people who have 2 cars and a house think they're part of that "elite" because the propogandist media has told them that THEY'RE the ones on the hook |
| 17:34.05 | Lunessa | So that gives you (in the generic sense) the right to force me to give? That's just as wrong as a thug beating me up for my wallet, even if it's going to a higher cause. |
| 17:34.48 | Lunessa | The end does not justify the means. |
| 17:35.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i'm a little confused. I'm saying that the government needs X money to pay for it's programs. If the people are unwilling to provide that money on thier own, it needs to come from somewhere, so YES, the government has every right to legally force you to pay enough in taxes to provide for it's own functioning. that's kind of the way government works. |
| 17:35.27 | A-KO | That's kind of the way society works in general |
| 17:35.31 | A-KO | that's how people got to where we are now |
| 17:35.32 | A-KO | we are not snakes |
| 17:35.35 | A-KO | we are not solitary creatures |
| 17:35.37 | A-KO | sorry |
| 17:35.38 | A-KO | :P |
| 17:35.43 | A-KO | no matter how much you think you are |
| 17:36.18 | A-KO | Could you imagine if tax funds were reduced? The cost of everything would inflate terribly--and I do mean everything....that cheap food you enjoy every day? Priced because tax breaks are in-place to make it affordable to produce. |
| 17:36.28 | A-KO | local farmers? gone, can't compete with the Walmarts of the world. |
| 17:36.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: the entire contract of modern government/society is that you're willing to sacrifice part of your personal gain for society. But there MUST be some consequence if you don't. The entire system would just collapse otherwise. |
| 17:37.11 | KarlKFI|work | poor Lunessa, getting ganged up on |
| 17:37.20 | KarlKFI|work | when did this becoem a political channel? |
| 17:37.28 | Spejnar | lots and lots of socialists |
| 17:37.33 | NightHawkTheSane | when someone started whining about their taxes :P |
| 17:37.58 | Maldivia | actually, it started with the americans complaining about paying $100000 for a car :P |
| 17:38.03 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: It's still wrong. Taking from one by force to give to another is always wrong. |
| 17:38.05 | A-KO | Maldivia :P |
| 17:38.09 | A-KO | Lunessa: not really |
| 17:38.16 | A-KO | we are, unfortunately, inherently selfish. |
| 17:38.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: it's only force if you're breaking the law. |
| 17:38.22 | Lunessa | No, I said that $100K USD for a car was "Fuck You Money" |
| 17:38.42 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Notice that I don't shoot IRS agents. |
| 17:38.43 | A-KO | we'd all be paying $100K for a car w/o government being involved.... |
| 17:38.50 | KarlKFI|work | can't we all just get along? |
| 17:39.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i just want to know how you intend to solve the problem of "people are selfish and don't want to give up their money". if there's no penalty for not paying taxes, why would the rich (who don't need services provided by those taxes) pay them? |
| 17:39.14 | Lunessa | A-KO: I think you're wrong, but you aren't interested in my point of view. |
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| 17:39.26 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm not trying to be offensive, or mean, I'm really curious, because I don't understand |
| 17:39.46 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: It will all just pay for itself |
| 17:39.53 | A-KO | people will voluntarily give |
| 17:39.59 | A-KO | we'll rely on the churches of the world |
| 17:40.01 | KarlKFI|work | well, A-KO is obviously not in your position NightHawkTheSane, cause he's not even trying to understand Lunessa's position. |
| 17:40.01 | A-KO | to feed the poor |
| 17:40.38 | A-KO | KarlKFI|work: There's no point in trying to, because it's a logical fallacy--Lunessa *can't* answer NightHawkTheSane without sound like either an ass or an idiot, thus, I don't bother to try anymore :P |
| 17:40.43 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Hey, don't pay taxes? Can't drive on public roads. Can't get "municipal water." Gotta go to your own private hospital. Oh, and pray you can find workers who read for your work-houses. But telling me "I have to pay, so cough it up." is just thuggery. |
| 17:40.52 | KarlKFI|work | half your arguments are logical falicy, A-KO |
| 17:41.40 | A-KO | KarlKFI|work: not really, they're all pretty rooted in fact. Corn subsidies being a big one for the food, which if dropped down would raise the cost of a large amount of food in the US since we use corn in just about everything (including fuel) :P |
| 17:41.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: that seems like six of one, half dozen of the other. Either way, you're punishing someone for not paying taxes. The only difference is what the punishment is. |
| 17:41.47 | Cloudwolf | Lunessa then break off start a new government where taxes arn't enforced and see how that government works out |
| 17:42.30 | Cloudwolf | Thats my only comment on this and im going to stay out of it |
| 17:42.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: in one cases, public services arent 'public', but really just rented by the year. In the other, they're truely public services available to anyone who wants them, but now the consequence of not contributing to them has to shift to something else. |
| 17:42.35 | Lunessa | Cloudwolf: I'd be happy to start a new nation. Problem with that is other nations all have armies and all the land. :P I'll have to wait for a new frontier to open up. |
| 17:42.40 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: personally, I think the penalty should be death :P But maybe that's taking it a bit too far, but it seems kind of assenine to me to put someone in prison (and pay for them to live on taxes) who evaded taxes in the first place :P |
| 17:43.01 | A-KO | kind of double fucking the system :P |
| 17:43.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: I'm not entirely certain your idea wouldn't work, but I personally don't like the idea of denying public services to anyone. |
| 17:43.21 | Lunessa | Yeah, A-KO - that wya lies madness. |
| 17:43.23 | Cloudwolf | A-KO i think death is too far. Forcibly taking a cut of their money maybe. |
| 17:43.38 | Spejnar | they already do, its called taxation. |
| 17:43.38 | A-KO | Cloudwolf: Which is what we have now |
| 17:43.41 | A-KO | yeah |
| 17:43.41 | Spejnar | double even |
| 17:43.41 | A-KO | lol |
| 17:43.42 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO: well, there's other issues with the current prison system, but that's another topic. |
| 17:43.47 | A-KO | yeah NightHawkTheSane |
| 17:44.18 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: Honeslty, MOST of the complaints about taxes by people are simply systematic problems more than anything. For example "the cost of the US wars"--much of that can be fixed with systematic restructuring.....like....getting rid of contractors for everything. |
| 17:44.28 | Cloudwolf | tax evaders go into a private prison rather than government run prison? |
| 17:44.41 | Cloudwolf | and are forced to do manual labor for the prison to stay affloat? XD |
| 17:44.58 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: It's economic incentive rather than threat of punishment. Toll roads work. Private Colleges work. I'm not saying that there never need be no taxation. Just that our system as it is now doesn't work without devolving into thuggery. |
| 17:45.06 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: It's no surprise that the top richest counties in the US are right around Washington DC |
| 17:45.38 | A-KO | government contracting is a huge money maker :P People charging like 10x the price because it's guaranteed money :P |
| 17:46.08 | A-KO | so the government ends up needing to tax other people for 10x the money to make up for it.... |
| 17:46.55 | Lunessa | A lot of the way the US system is structured is an overreaction to the way things were done in Europe and Britain. Prisoners used to have to pay their jailers, etc. As it stands now, we tend to behave badly on the whole prison issue. |
| 17:47.09 | A-KO | Lunessa: Norway has a model prison system |
| 17:47.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: I disagree that private colleges work, but again, entirely different topic. I'm still skeptical that that level of "incentivising" would really work. I suspect that the you'd just end up with more extreme elite with their own off-the-radar "public" systems and not paying taxes. |
| 17:47.34 | Lunessa | I'm unfamiliar with their system. All I know is that the US one stinks. |
| 17:47.39 | A-KO | yeah NightHawkTheSane |
| 17:47.49 | A-KO | Lunessa: Norway actually treats its prisoners humanely |
| 17:47.58 | Cloudwolf | Lol force tax evaders to do public service work for no monetary gain untill they pay off in labor what they owe in taxes? |
| 17:47.59 | A-KO | and they don't have a sex offender registry for taking a leak in a public park :P |
| 17:48.00 | Lunessa | Bully for Norway. |
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| 17:48.14 | KarlKFI|work | A-KO>"we are not snakes, we are not solitary creatures" (unrelated comparison to despised creatures) "That's kind of the way society works in general" (over generalization) " The cost of everything would inflate terribly" (unsupportable exaggeration) "we are, unfortunately, inherently selfish." (appeal to belief) "MOST of the complaints about taxes by people are simply systematic problems... |
| 17:48.15 | Lunessa | Cloudwolf: That's just slavery by the state. |
| 17:48.16 | KarlKFI|work | ...more than anything." (Hasty generalization) |
| 17:48.50 | Cloudwolf | And imprison ment isn't? |
| 17:49.09 | Lunessa | Cloudwolf: That's denial of liberty, not forced labor. |
| 17:49.12 | A-KO | I usually find that people who usually argue these things generally have had a lot of financial backing in life handed to them, usually from family :P |
| 17:49.21 | robokitty | *blinks* |
| 17:49.22 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, speaking about gvernment contractors.. apparently there having some issues, where the government doesn't even have accurate records of how many contractors it has on staff: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/07/20/top-secret-america-where-to-send-your-resume |
| 17:49.30 | NightHawkTheSane | they're* |
| 17:49.30 | robokitty | Jesus H. Christ, get a room |
| 17:49.31 | Lunessa | A-KO: My family is poor. I grew up dirt pore. |
| 17:49.34 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% |
| 17:49.38 | A-KO | Lunessa: I grew up on welfare :P |
| 17:49.44 | A-KO | with cockroaches |
| 17:49.44 | A-KO | kthx |
| 17:49.47 | A-KO | don't play the poor game with me :P |
| 17:50.28 | airtonix | peasant! |
| 17:50.32 | airtonix | lick my boots |
| 17:50.34 | Lunessa | Yeah, me too. My family lived on a goddamned box of malt-o-meal for a week, and if it weren't for "free" lunches at school and churches, I might not have gotten to be 11 years old. Still doesn't mean I think our system is right. |
| 17:50.47 | airtonix | free lunchs! |
| 17:50.53 | airtonix | right |
| 17:51.03 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: That's a big exaggeration, but it's certainly VERY high. From what I know of the area I live in, and what I know of friends who were in Iraq--over in Iraq, the military personnel who were perfectly capable of doing things like running wires weren't allowed to |
| 17:51.19 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: So, literally, military guys getting paid to sit on their ass while a contractor was paid 5x the money to do the same job |
| 17:51.21 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO: it's not a matter of how high or low it is, it's that they DONT KNOW. |
| 17:51.23 | airtonix | my school paid me to take their food, and if they didn't i wouldn't have lived to gain entry to it |
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| 17:51.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i agree our system isn't right either. ;) |
| 17:51.44 | Lunessa | See, common ground. :P |
| 17:51.46 | Niv | I grew up poor, but my parents were smart enough to live somewhere that we could hunt and fish |
| 17:51.49 | Niv | smart parents == win |
| 17:52.01 | A-KO | hell my parents are still poor :P |
| 17:52.01 | airtonix | :( |
| 17:52.05 | A-KO | I pay the bills for them |
| 17:52.08 | A-KO | anyways, bbiab :P |
| 17:52.10 | airtonix | ok |
| 17:52.17 | airtonix | btw |
| 17:52.26 | airtonix | you guys are not playing the sketch properly |
| 17:52.45 | Lunessa | I had to walk to school, barefoot, in the snow, uphill. BOTH WAYS. |
| 17:52.53 | airtonix | too easy |
| 17:52.56 | airtonix | and |
| 17:53.00 | airtonix | i;ve seen that line before |
| 17:53.21 | |Jelly| | Was it knee-deep snow? |
| 17:53.23 | airtonix | i think i;m going to sleep |
| 17:53.28 | Lunessa | I've been rich and poor. And on both end of the tax system... SUCKS. :P |
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| 17:53.43 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: Nah, it was only a couple of inches. |
| 17:53.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i was driven to school in a solid gold limo. |
| 17:54.05 | airtonix | (you guys would bad yorkshiremen) |
| 17:54.09 | NightHawkTheSane | let me tell you, solid gold seats are VERY uncomfortable. |
| 17:54.11 | NightHawkTheSane | you have no idea. |
| 17:55.10 | Kyrain | Although, gold is a quite soft metal |
| 17:55.22 | airtonix | only if you're a terminator |
| 17:56.09 | Lunessa | gold might be soft, but it's still metal, and your rump isnt. |
| 17:56.56 | airtonix | see above ^ : re, death dealing sociopathic mechanoid |
| 17:58.28 | airtonix | ok so now you've stopped arguing about how awesome you're childhoods were... |
| 17:58.49 | airtonix | maybe you'd like to continue ranting about how much you love your current computer game |
| 17:59.13 | NightHawkTheSane | no, not particularly |
| 17:59.28 | airtonix | btw it's 5 degrees centigrade in adelaide now |
| 18:00.20 | airtonix | the whole of adelaide city was covered in fog yesterday morning |
| 18:00.37 | airtonix | i couldn't see further than 50 meters |
| 18:01.15 | airtonix | ( i don't think that's happened here in a very long time) |
| 18:01.27 | NightHawkTheSane | because I think everyone here is way to happy: http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2006/07/18/photos |
| 18:01.46 | airtonix | is that you in the strap on ? |
| 18:02.10 | NightHawkTheSane | too* |
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| 18:02.34 | airtonix | two of them! |
| 18:03.33 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.36 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.37 | mikma | enjoy! ;) |
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| 18:04.03 | alestane | Oh, bright gods. |
| 18:04.12 | alestane | Someone shoot me. |
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| 18:04.23 | alestane | Better yet, shoot our Intro to Programming instructor. |
| 18:05.30 | airtonix | did he mention VB.net ? |
| 18:06.00 | Ackis | anyone going to SDCC? |
| 18:06.07 | airtonix | or wiggle his head at every orated full stop ? |
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| 18:06.52 | airtonix | or demonstrate an unwillingness to posses a sense of humour ? |
| 18:07.15 | alestane | The class is supposed to be in Python, which he doesn't really know. |
| 18:07.29 | airtonix | my god man |
| 18:07.38 | airtonix | you know why that is! |
| 18:07.48 | airtonix | next class you will say this : |
| 18:08.03 | airtonix | python sucks we should be learning power shell! |
| 18:08.03 | alestane | His background is in COBOL originally, and VB more recently, so he has no concept of data packaging, and he thinks functional programming means code that gives you the results you expected. |
| 18:08.38 | airtonix | alestane, ask him what slices are |
| 18:08.47 | alestane | He took about 55 lines of code to produce an overtime pay calculator which I was able to reproduce in 13, and reentrantly to boot. |
| 18:08.57 | alestane | He didn't even know what tuples are. |
| 18:09.18 | alestane | He figured you got multiple returns back from a function by having it leave results in globals. |
| 18:09.19 | airtonix | alestane, i did the same with our programming teacher |
| 18:09.26 | airtonix | oh lulz |
| 18:09.31 | airtonix | he sounds bad |
| 18:11.12 | alestane | It's week 6 of the class...I think the two students who came to me for help probably learned more in an hour of watching me rant across the blackboard than in the six four-hour classes up to that point. |
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| 18:14.47 | alestane | *snrk* http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/7/19/ |
| 18:14.59 | Dashkal | School is for the piece of paper to get you a job. Free time is for learning. |
| 18:15.20 | Kaelten | Dashkal: sad but true |
| 18:16.38 | Dashkal | Unless you're lucky enough to find the odd TA *nods towards alestane* who actually knows something. |
| 18:16.39 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: That linked story is a nightmare of proportions I can't even being to fully appreciate. |
| 18:16.44 | Dashkal | Actually, in my program, the TAs were mostly clued in |
| 18:16.50 | Dashkal | Profs were hit and miss |
| 18:17.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: indeed. |
| 18:18.44 | alestane | Well, I think this teacher would be good....if you needed to learn to write 1982 business databases in COBOL. |
| 18:19.03 | alestane | The problem is that programming has moved on and left him behind. |
| 18:19.18 | alestane | I am trying to convince him that he has some catching up to do. |
| 18:20.50 | Kyrain | Hehe, good luck with that. A programming Professor I know insists to use Pascal |
| 18:21.54 | Xinhuan | heh pascal |
| 18:21.57 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, mmo-champ got bought by curse? |
| 18:21.58 | Xinhuan | i used to like it |
| 18:22.04 | nicoli_s | yes NightHawkTheSane |
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| 18:22.26 | nicoli_s | we also caused 9/11 and the oil spill apparently |
| 18:22.26 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, speaking of pascal, you see that that apple donated the source to QuickDraw & MacPaint to the compter history museum? |
| 18:22.40 | NightHawkTheSane | nicoli_s: hey, i wasn't passing judgement... |
| 18:23.06 | nevcairiel | I see a opportunity for Blizzard there to silence mmo-c :p |
| 18:23.14 | Xinhuan | so is WoR and mmo-c considered allies now, or competitors? |
| 18:23.30 | NightHawkTheSane | frenemies? |
| 18:23.37 | nicoli_s | NightHawkTheSane:im kidding :P |
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| 18:23.46 | Dashkal | nicoli_s: curse kicked a puppy! |
| 18:23.47 | nicoli_s | im just amused by what people are saying |
| 18:23.57 | orionshock | anyone online on US PvE Alliance guild w/ guild invite priv? |
| 18:24.02 | NightHawkTheSane | nicoli_s: eh, i just know there's anti-curse sentiment that goes around. *shrug* |
| 18:24.05 | orionshock | need an invite "Emberi" |
| 18:24.14 | nicoli_s | whats even better is the zam forums, where people are flaming us for having multiple wow news sites....says the company that owns the top 3 DB sites |
| 18:24.55 | nevcairiel | there are other db sites then wowhead? |
| 18:25.07 | nicoli_s | thottbot, allakazham wow db site |
| 18:25.09 | Xinhuan | thottbot, allakhazan |
| 18:25.16 | nevcairiel | no-one uses those anymore |
| 18:25.29 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt call them "top" |
| 18:25.29 | nicoli_s | not true, thottbot is still pretty big despite it being shitty |
| 18:25.37 | nevcairiel | maybe only because of lack of others =P |
| 18:25.42 | nicoli_s | nevcairiel:traffic wise they are |
| 18:25.45 | Xinhuan | or there's others |
| 18:25.52 | Kyrain | It looks clean, but the tables are sometimes rather confusing |
| 18:25.56 | Xinhuan | oh there's others |
| 18:26.00 | Xinhuan | like incgamer's one |
| 18:26.28 | Xinhuan | and curse |
| 18:26.33 | nevcairiel | wowdb is dead |
| 18:26.37 | Xinhuan | but under radar |
| 18:26.38 | nevcairiel | someone let it die |
| 18:26.43 | nicoli_s | dont look at me |
| 18:27.17 | nicoli_s | i wanted to keep wowdb going |
| 18:27.19 | nevcairiel | wowhead is by far superior to the other pages |
| 18:27.26 | nevcairiel | shrug |
| 18:27.41 | Ackis | growls at nicoli_s about wowdb! :P |
| 18:27.56 | Xinhuan | and then there's wowwiki :P |
| 18:28.02 | Xinhuan | which while not a db site |
| 18:28.10 | Xinhuan | does have an admirable database of items and quests |
| 18:28.19 | Xinhuan | which links to the top 3 |
| 18:28.33 | nevcairiel | I only go to wowwiki to lookup lore on stuff |
| 18:28.38 | nevcairiel | never used its quest things |
| 18:28.52 | Xinhuan | the quests are usually crosslinked with lore |
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| 18:30.20 | Xinhuan | also, many wowwiki quest articles explain and display quest chains and followups in a better manner |
| 18:30.44 | Xinhuan | where if chain A leads to chain B and chain C, etc |
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| 18:30.52 | Yssaril | wowwiki is also great for looking up faction specific quests |
| 18:31.04 | Xinhuan | but its likely on wowhead, A, B and C are shown as separate chains and you would have to dig thru comments |
| 18:31.09 | Xinhuan | to even get them crosslinked |
| 18:31.35 | Xinhuan | an example would be the AQ quest chain |
| 18:32.27 | Xinhuan | where the main quest leads to 3 subchains (the 3 parts) and the blue part itself has another 3 sub-subchains |
| 18:33.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ... photoshop fail indeed: http://www.americablog.com/2010/07/bp-fakes-another-oil-spill-photo-this.html |
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| 18:34.54 | Yssaril | lol |
| 18:35.17 | nevcairiel | from what i can see, they only replaced the image on the big beamer screen |
| 18:35.21 | nevcairiel | for whatever reason |
| 18:35.52 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 18:36.13 | NightHawkTheSane | both of the faked photos are really weird, because there's um.. no good reason to fake them |
| 18:39.18 | Yssaril | i still think its funny how BP included Walruses in their Gulf cleanup plans |
| 18:39.46 | alestane | I am not under the impression that there are walruses in the Gulf of Mexico, but I could be wrong. |
| 18:40.14 | Yssaril | unless you go to seaworld there are none :P |
| 18:40.32 | Yssaril | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Odobenus_rosmarus_distribution.png <-- is were they live |
| 18:40.57 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: "inserted a fake screen behind its employees to make them look busier, or something." |
| 18:41.01 | *** part/#wowuidev mitchnull (~mitchnull@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 18:41.22 | Kraps | thats disgusting |
| 18:45.14 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5591671/learn-the-starcraft-storyline-in-a-hurry |
| 18:48.27 | Dashkal | Possible beta patch: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26137186455/beta-maintenance-7-20-2010/ |
| 18:49.17 | nevcairiel | indeedy |
| 18:49.56 | Kyrain | Is there an advantage of programming many frames in the XML or can I just create them in lua? |
| 18:50.02 | Shadowed | not really |
| 18:50.07 | nevcairiel | personal taste |
| 18:50.18 | Shadowed | Most people find CreateFrame easier, but what nev said |
| 18:50.20 | nevcairiel | you can use only xml, or only lua, or mix it however you want |
| 18:50.41 | Kyrain | k big thanks |
| 18:50.57 | nevcairiel | also there are 2-3 corner cases that can only be done in xml |
| 18:51.01 | alestane | If you have lots of frames, I find it easier to create them in Lua using a loop. |
| 18:51.05 | nevcairiel | but you're probably not likely to hit that |
| 18:51.17 | alestane | If they're repetitive in some way. |
| 18:51.24 | Yssaril | nevcairiel: what corner cases? |
| 18:51.34 | Kyrain | nah, just like 5or 6 I think |
| 18:51.42 | nevcairiel | most related with unit frames and stuff |
| 18:51.43 | Shadowed | mostly secure stuff Yssaril |
| 18:51.52 | Yssaril | ahh |
| 18:54.44 | Kraps | why do they even write a time? http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26137154945/scheduled-realm-maintenance-07-20-2010/ |
| 18:55.05 | nevcairiel | because it would be a even greater outrage if tehy didnt |
| 18:55.16 | Kraps | "until further notice" works |
| 18:55.24 | alestane | Because it gives them a target. |
| 18:55.38 | alestane | Can you imagine how long it would take if they didn't have a deadline to try for? |
| 18:55.51 | Kraps | meh |
| 18:55.59 | nevcairiel | they can do this internally then :p |
| 18:56.01 | Yssaril | Kraps: because when you set a time you can yell at your team when they missed the deadline |
| 18:57.37 | Kraps | "Become a Lifetime Member of Free Realms for just $29.99" |
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| 19:00.27 | Shadowed | Proditor: ping |
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| 19:00.39 | Proditor | Shadowed: hoi |
| 19:01.01 | Shadowed | Do you mind if I takeover the aura tracker for SUF on Curse since you're quitting? |
| 19:01.45 | Proditor | Not at all, I'll add you as project manager |
| 19:01.49 | Shadowed | kk thanks |
| 19:01.51 | cadabra | can anyone direct me to a tutorial involving the definition of tables deeper inside a table. im still getting very confused. the 5.1 manual only defines things on the surface. i need to see how it works when you're dealing with the 5th subtable. |
| 19:02.04 | Shadowed | cadabra: What do you mean? It works the same |
| 19:02.13 | Zasurus | Does anyone know if there are any lua code formaters? Something that I can give a .lua file to and it gives it back all formated with charage returns and tabs etc? |
| 19:03.20 | cadabra | shadowed.. i feel like a damn retard.. really. i just cant understand it. |
| 19:03.22 | Zasurus | Cadabra: I don't know of a tutorial but as far as I know it is not any more complex 6 levels in than it is at the first / second level |
| 19:03.52 | cadabra | yeah, i guess i just cant find an example of my application. the similar addons are hard to follow. |
| 19:04.43 | Proditor | Shadowed: done |
| 19:04.48 | cog|work | cadabra: you're probably complicating it in your mind. A table is simply a collection of keys and values. If the value happens to be a table, then that value is also a collection of keys and values |
| 19:04.52 | Shadowed | cadabra: Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it works the same |
| 19:05.08 | cog|work | there is nothing special that happens when you get "deeper" |
| 19:05.12 | Shadowed | eg: [ { } } is the same as { { { } } }, it's just another table inside |
| 19:05.17 | Shadowed | err { { } } |
| 19:05.26 | nevcairiel | what about the special deep-table allocator you use at the 20th level? |
| 19:05.34 | Zasurus | lol |
| 19:05.35 | Shadowed | I will cut you |
| 19:05.45 | Shadowed | Proditor: Thanks, you don't mind if I clone the repo over to github and use that? |
| 19:06.12 | Proditor | Shadowed: Go ahead, the project is all yours now :) |
| 19:06.16 | Shadowed | kk thanks |
| 19:06.37 | Zasurus | Guess thats a no to the lua formatter? :-( |
| 19:06.43 | Shadowed | Technically WoWLua has a formatter |
| 19:06.51 | nevcairiel | yeah, krka's lib |
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| 19:06.59 | Zasurus | Technically? |
| 19:07.07 | nevcairiel | dunno how easily you could apply that to standalone files |
| 19:07.11 | Shadowed | Well it requires you to be in-game :P |
| 19:07.16 | Shadowed | nevcairiel: Semi-easily, it's a bit of a hack thought |
| 19:07.39 | Kalroth | You're a bit of a hack |
| 19:07.44 | Zasurus | Thats fine! in game is not a problem |
| 19:08.03 | Shadowed | then use wowluas |
| 19:08.05 | cog|work | cadabra: do you have any particular code you're having trouble with? did my explanation make any sense? |
| 19:09.15 | Zasurus | wowluas? is that better than wowlua (which I have just found) |
| 19:10.09 | cog|work | cadabra: some other things that might help... {1, 5, 7} is short-hand for { [1] = 1, [2] = 5, [3] = 7 }. Also { foo = 1, bar = 2 } is shorthand for { ["foo"] = 1, ["bar"] = 2 } |
| 19:10.25 | cog|work | in every case, the stuff inside brackets [] is the key |
| 19:10.30 | cog|work | and the stuff after = is the value |
| 19:10.45 | Shadowed | lua> print({[nil] = true}) |
| 19:10.45 | lua_bot | Shadowed: luabot:1: table index is nil |
| 19:11.03 | nevcairiel | nil is an invalid index :p |
| 19:11.08 | cog|work | Shadowed's example, { { { } } } is equivalent to { [1] = { [1] = { } } } |
| 19:12.03 | cog|work | Zasurus: i assume he meant wowlua's |
| 19:12.16 | cog|work | wowlua's formatter is FAIAP |
| 19:12.18 | cog|work | ~faiap |
| 19:12.31 | cog|work | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4895-ForAllIndentsAndPurposes.html |
| 19:12.40 | Shadowed | nevcairiel I know, I was trying to double check an error :p |
| 19:13.40 | Zasurus | LOL I have seen that ForALLIndentsAndPurposes... It is in my installed addons list! Wondered where that came from! Guess I must have tryed this b4! :-( I goto take up drinking again! At lest then I had an exscuse for missing days! ;-) |
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| 19:18.05 | Zasurus | lol don't paste 1mb of lua into wowlua... ;-) |
| 19:18.28 | Kaelten | ya I'd file that under the, not a really good idea pile |
| 19:18.52 | Zasurus | Yup! CTRL+ ALT + DEL... :-) |
| 19:19.28 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTb9GNIxpMk - Eddie Vedder, the Bob Dylan of our generation |
| 19:19.58 | Fisker | slaps Kaelten around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:20.17 | Kaelten | !lart Fisker |
| 19:20.19 | Kaelten | ~lart Fisker |
| 19:20.19 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Fisker until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
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| 19:20.49 | mikma | ~fist fisker |
| 19:20.50 | purl | ACTION rules fisker with an iron fist |
| 19:20.58 | Zasurus | OK AGES ago I remember having a way to print out variable (while in wow) in a pretty way (including tables etc) BUT I can't for the live of me remember how... Anyone know? |
| 19:21.01 | Fisker | slaps Kaelten around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:21.03 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:21.07 | nevcairiel | ./dump |
| 19:21.37 | mikma | install spew, and /spew |
| 19:21.55 | nevcairiel | spews all over mikma |
| 19:22.23 | Zasurus | Thanks |
| 19:23.33 | mikma | ooh, tekkub touches your tralala, your dingdingdong |
| 19:24.01 | nevcairiel | you would like that, wouldnt you |
| 19:24.29 | mikma | i bet he would |
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| 19:30.54 | Devlol | Hello |
| 19:30.57 | Zasurus | hi |
| 19:30.58 | Devlol | I want to dev a little addon to show target's arena rating like "GearScore". I'm totally new to addon development. Is there a good start point to develop addon ? Is it easy to add information about the Target like GS does ? |
| 19:31.32 | Zasurus | Do you have any programming experience yet? |
| 19:32.18 | Zasurus | Devlol? |
| 19:32.43 | Devlol | Zasurus: Yes. I already retrieved arena ratings fom one battle "group" using python to request the armory. |
| 19:32.52 | Fisker | so new bate patch for cataclysm? |
| 19:33.20 | Ressy | oh? |
| 19:33.59 | Ressy | Odd they do it the same day as live. o.O |
| 19:34.14 | Kalroth | Fisker: you like to watch, dont you |
| 19:37.59 | Zasurus | Devlol: Soz crashed my pc lol Anyway have you looked at how GS get the data then? |
| 19:38.44 | Devlol | Zasurus: "Yes. I already retrieved arena ratings fom one battle "group" using python to request the armory." |
| 19:39.16 | foxlit | "Is it easy to add information about the Target like GS does ?" << Yes. |
| 19:39.36 | cog|work | if the armory is the only place to get ratings, then you can't make an addon |
| 19:39.47 | cog|work | addons can't communicate with the web |
| 19:39.48 | Devlol | Zasurus: I don't think it's possible to retrieve data IG from players of the other faction. I would like to show information like GS, not getting them ;) |
| 19:39.57 | foxlit | cog|work: pre-scan and use that; it's not a major deal-breaker. |
| 19:40.07 | Zasurus | Devlol: LOL Sorry in a world of my own today! ;-) |
| 19:40.35 | foxlit | Devlol: sort of like adding a "Arena Score: XYZ" line to a tooltip? |
| 19:40.49 | Devlol | foxlit: yes exactly ! |
| 19:41.04 | cog|work | foxlit: i have no idea how often ratings change... i figured he'd want something "real time" |
| 19:41.09 | Devlol | Zasurus: no problem, so you are saying this is easy ? :) |
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| 19:42.07 | Devlol | cog|work: Realtime is possible if the player is a "friendly" unit and near the user's player I think |
| 19:42.45 | Zasurus | Devlol: I have seen an example of how to add a line to a tooltip in wowwiki... I will see if I can find it |
| 19:43.12 | tem | Bibi, don't let those curse bullies make you use aspx |
| 19:43.14 | tem | it's evil |
| 19:43.16 | tem | I promise |
| 19:43.22 | foxlit | stick with php |
| 19:43.25 | foxlit | It's totally not evil. |
| 19:43.27 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:43.27 | Torhal | Jesus |
| 19:43.31 | Torhal | All this conjecture |
| 19:43.37 | cog|work | ASP.net MVC imo |
| 19:43.43 | tem | I'd rather write a hundred pages in php than just one more in ASP.net |
| 19:44.03 | cog|work | ASP.Net MVC is like the RoR of .Net |
| 19:44.18 | tem | (I haven't done anything with the MVC, but I can't imagine it's any better) |
| 19:44.23 | nicoli_s | tem:yer crazy |
| 19:44.25 | Shadowed | wtf |
| 19:44.27 | nicoli_s | asp.net is so good |
| 19:44.27 | cog|work | then your imagination isn't very good |
| 19:44.29 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:44.29 | Shadowed | wonders why cron isn't sending emails |
| 19:44.35 | tem | asp.net is fucking horrible. |
| 19:44.50 | nicoli_s | have you ever done professional asp.net work before? |
| 19:44.51 | tem | It was my job for 3 years, and I will never, ever go back. |
| 19:44.58 | foxlit | Devlol: http://pastey.net/138743 |
| 19:45.07 | nicoli_s | and what do you think is better? php? purl? |
| 19:45.11 | Lunessa | Shadowed: cron doesn't like you. You didn't sacrifice a goat. |
| 19:45.15 | Shadowed | apparently not |
| 19:45.21 | Shadowed | It's running but it's not emailing me :< |
| 19:45.46 | tem | Python. |
| 19:45.49 | krka | shouldn't be any problem using FAIAP standalone, it's just "lua indent.lua < input.lua > output.lua" |
| 19:45.58 | nicoli_s | meh, i hate doing web stuff with python |
| 19:46.00 | tem | Lua's not bad for web either |
| 19:46.03 | nicoli_s | makes me feel like in in the dark ages |
| 19:46.11 | foxlit | tem: any reasonable bindings? |
| 19:46.22 | tem | I hate all the magic involved with asp |
| 19:46.27 | Devlol | Zasurus foxlit : Thanks a lot ! |
| 19:46.28 | tem | and it's never properly explained |
| 19:46.29 | nicoli_s | not me, i love it |
| 19:46.36 | nicoli_s | and i love having real good tools |
| 19:46.37 | Lunessa | PERL - painful still even 11 years after I stopped using it routinely. |
| 19:46.45 | nicoli_s | VS ftw |
| 19:46.46 | tem | so if you want to do something that's not EXACTLY how they want you to, you get a fucking headache |
| 19:47.02 | Zasurus | Devlol: DAMn to slow! http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#GameTooltip |
| 19:47.03 | tem | that lasts a week |
| 19:47.07 | tem | while you find a workaround |
| 19:47.12 | tem | jesus christ it was horrible |
| 19:47.27 | tem | not to mention the Manager bullshit that comes with using M$ shit |
| 19:47.32 | nicoli_s | eh, to each his own |
| 19:47.48 | cog|work | tem: i think you had an atypical experience... perhaps it was your boss' fault? |
| 19:47.53 | tem | oh, and don't even think about doing AJAX |
| 19:48.02 | tem | because ScriptManager makes you page 1000x bigger |
| 19:48.10 | nicoli_s | tem:roll your own |
| 19:48.11 | foxlit | I really don't mind PHP. |
| 19:48.14 | Devlol | Zasurus: Thank you :) good starting point to look for functions :) |
| 19:48.14 | cog|work | also, none of what you've said applies to MVC imo |
| 19:48.24 | nicoli_s | writing your own ajax stuff is super easy |
| 19:48.27 | foxlit | It seems to have the right amount of abstraction for displaying random crap on webpages. |
| 19:48.29 | tem | nicoli_s, I DONT FUCKING WANT TO! THATS THE ENTIRE REASON TO USE DOT NET PRODUCTS |
| 19:48.41 | tem | it's supposed to be all there already |
| 19:48.43 | nicoli_s | tem:well you gotta know whats worth it or not |
| 19:48.44 | tem | and "just work!" |
| 19:49.35 | foxlit | Devlol: keep in mind that I haven't tested it; check whether it works before you vanish :) |
| 19:49.46 | nicoli_s | but yah i agree there are some inconsistencies |
| 19:49.47 | Devlol | Zasurus: I'll look now for a "Hello World" and I'll soon be done this sound easy ! |
| 19:50.01 | Devlol | foxlit: no way ! I'll add this chan to my "favourite" ;) |
| 19:50.07 | tem | cog|work, well, my boss was definitely at fault for some of my experience |
| 19:50.34 | tem | The fact that we weren't allowed to use proper source control and had to use VSS is one of the primary reasons I eventually quit |
| 19:50.41 | nicoli_s | yech |
| 19:50.45 | nicoli_s | i agree VSS blows |
| 19:50.55 | nicoli_s | we used it for a month or so before switching to svn |
| 19:51.07 | Arrowmaster | svn blows too |
| 19:51.14 | nicoli_s | meh, its better than VSS |
| 19:51.16 | tem | svn is 1000000x better than VSS |
| 19:51.27 | nicoli_s | i hear git is good, just havent tried it |
| 19:51.38 | foxlit | Source control is for collaborators and cowards. |
| 19:51.41 | cbreak | git is _good_ |
| 19:51.42 | foxlit | </silly> |
| 19:51.54 | cbreak | my favorite |
| 19:52.21 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder |
| 19:52.26 | foxlit | Does this mean wowdb is now officially dead? |
| 19:52.44 | Lunessa | VSS - so much pain. |
| 19:52.58 | nicoli_s | foxlit:who knows |
| 19:53.16 | nicoli_s | i have pushed for us to do something with it, we'll see what happens |
| 19:53.20 | Pneumatus | it would have had to have been alive in the first place to be considered dead |
| 19:53.32 | nicoli_s | hey, no need for jabs |
| 19:53.35 | foxlit | Well, it could be undead. |
| 19:53.43 | foxlit | And then re-dead? |
| 19:53.55 | nicoli_s | and id say that when it launched every body stole all its cool features def means it was alive on arrival |
| 19:53.59 | A-KO | I think it's time to head home, get ready for the gym, and then play some LoL later |
| 19:54.28 | Fisker | slaps nicoli_s around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:54.29 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:54.45 | Pneumatus | you mean the cool features that werent stolen from elsewhere in the first place, as they had them already? :P |
| 19:55.01 | nicoli_s | oh please |
| 19:55.10 | nicoli_s | so much of our shit got ripped off and you know it |
| 19:55.30 | nicoli_s | ill agree our design wasnt the frshest, but in terms of features, we had a ton no other DB site had at the time |
| 19:55.43 | Shadowed | Play nicely |
| 19:56.05 | Fisker | Allakhazam > Wowdb |
| 19:56.17 | nicoli_s | im being nice :) |
| 19:56.22 | Shadowed | I wasn't talking to you :p |
| 19:56.38 | nicoli_s | oh lol, then time to be mean, snap into a slim jim! |
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| 19:57.57 | Devlol | Zasurus: Could it be a good starting point : http://old.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon ? |
| 19:58.06 | Fisker | oh yeah nicoli_s ? |
| 19:58.10 | nicoli_s | i just hope i get to work on a wow DB site again |
| 19:58.17 | Fisker | A spreadsheet of the .dbc files > wowdb |
| 19:58.17 | nicoli_s | i feel like i still have ideas left to give :) |
| 19:58.18 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 19:58.23 | Fisker | talk to Adys ! |
| 19:58.24 | Fisker | :D |
| 19:58.40 | Zasurus | Devlol: I think I found that when I started with lua |
| 19:58.55 | Gnarfoz | <+nicoli_s> ill agree our design wasnt the frshest, but in terms of features, we had a ton no other DB site had at the time <-- name one? |
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| 19:59.21 | Zasurus | Although Ace3 is a bit ott for what you where talking about IMO |
| 19:59.31 | nicoli_s | 3d previews, predictive search, submittable/commentable talent builds |
| 19:59.38 | nicoli_s | need more? |
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| 19:59.55 | Fisker | Character profiles too |
| 19:59.55 | Gnarfoz | first two: were already there; third: probably first, but who uses that? |
| 20:00.07 | nicoli_s | the first 2 were not already there |
| 20:00.10 | Gnarfoz | and obviously, wowdb lacked the most important thing: accurate and usable data |
| 20:00.16 | nicoli_s | wowhead copied them from us during our beta |
| 20:00.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 20:00.26 | Gnarfoz | your non-public beta? |
| 20:00.26 | nicoli_s | cuz the url got leaked and they scrambled to copy it |
| 20:00.59 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's pointing fingers right there, probably could've told your layouters to not copy wowhead 1:0.9, too |
| 20:01.18 | nicoli_s | its not pointing fingers |
| 20:01.24 | Gnarfoz | it is, because you can't prove it? |
| 20:01.24 | nicoli_s | i mean they literally stole the 3d stuff from us |
| 20:01.34 | nicoli_s | like they downloaded all of our model files and just used our flash file |
| 20:01.36 | Gnarfoz | wowhead hat this live before you went live, so, effectively, they had it first |
| 20:01.40 | Fisker | how can you prove they stole the layout ??++++ |
| 20:02.19 | nicoli_s | Gnarfoz:people not in curse had seen the 3d stuff on our site far before wowhead had it, regardless if we advertise the link, we had it first |
| 20:02.24 | Gnarfoz | anyway, what Adys created (almost) single-handedly is so much better than wowdb anyway ;P just need a proper commenting system ;-) |
| 20:03.02 | Fisker | Besides wowhead just stole google's layout |
| 20:03.02 | Fisker | :3 |
| 20:03.02 | nicoli_s | i just dont understand why everybody has to be such a dick to me about wowdb |
| 20:03.03 | Adys | cough |
| 20:03.20 | cog|work | nicoli_s: people are dicks. |
| 20:03.24 | Gnarfoz | not to you personally, I don't even know how you were involved in its developmnet |
| 20:03.49 | nicoli_s | i dont mean just you |
| 20:03.58 | Shadowed | points out that people should play nice and stop bickering |
| 20:03.59 | Gnarfoz | just commenting on how I (and many others) perceived it: a failed attempt to imitate wowhead |
| 20:04.35 | Cloudwolf | everyone has thier prefrerences on layout |
| 20:04.38 | Gnarfoz | anyway, time to repeadetly check emails until I fall asleep! :D |
| 20:04.48 | Fisker | emails for what? |
| 20:04.51 | Cloudwolf | some may technically be more effective but its a personal preference (cides gonna rip me anew one for this) |
| 20:04.58 | nicoli_s | my issue is that i said it was a failed attempt to imitate wowhead |
| 20:04.58 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: porn |
| 20:05.01 | Fisker | k |
| 20:05.02 | nicoli_s | i mean obviously |
| 20:05.19 | nicoli_s | but ignoring the fact we also had a bunch of good features is just needless |
| 20:05.31 | Adys | uhm |
| 20:05.33 | Gnarfoz | I'm not ignoring it, I'm disagreeing |
| 20:05.51 | Adys | to be faire gnarfoz is right on wowdb stealing wowhead's layout |
| 20:05.51 | Gnarfoz | but since that seems to annoy you personally, I'll leave it be |
| 20:05.59 | Adys | but nicoli_s is right on wowhead stealing all the modelviewer stuff |
| 20:06.06 | nicoli_s | thank you adys |
| 20:06.24 | Fisker | layout isn't that big of a deal in my opinion |
| 20:06.31 | Adys | i think i can attest to that since i was the one who figured out all their models and stuff |
| 20:06.33 | Adys | coughs |
| 20:06.34 | Fisker | obviously you're going to take the most successful design and emulate it |
| 20:06.43 | Fisker | Wowhead itself is obviously a copy of google |
| 20:06.51 | Adys | i didnt know google was into wow |
| 20:06.53 | Cloudwolf | funny how the model vewer is a neat thing i never use it though |
| 20:06.57 | nicoli_s | oh that was you Adys, you bastard :P |
| 20:07.08 | Adys | nicoli_s: foff, collada xml bullshit, seriously |
| 20:07.11 | Fisker | no but the simple frontpage, or atleast how it was, made it kind of google :P |
| 20:07.19 | nicoli_s | Adys:well thats cuz that was the prototype |
| 20:07.22 | Adys | just when i got off my xml craziness |
| 20:07.27 | nicoli_s | its much better now |
| 20:07.33 | Adys | terrible is what it was |
| 20:07.33 | Adys | :D |
| 20:07.42 | Adys | nicoli_s, did you work on the webgl one? |
| 20:07.44 | nicoli_s | oh i agree, that was a terrible implementation |
| 20:07.45 | nicoli_s | nope |
| 20:07.50 | Adys | would you like to? |
| 20:08.01 | Fisker | webgl model viewr? |
| 20:08.03 | Fisker | viewer* |
| 20:08.09 | Adys | ya |
| 20:08.10 | nicoli_s | i would, but i got too much shit on my plate as it is |
| 20:08.14 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: it'll show your mom if you don't select a model |
| 20:08.18 | Adys | rough (very rough) implementation atm |
| 20:08.18 | Fisker | i'll give it 5 days Adys |
| 20:08.20 | Fisker | webgl that is |
| 20:08.26 | Adys | i need more people to help me out with it |
| 20:08.55 | Adys | Fisker: 5 days on what? |
| 20:09.32 | nicoli_s | i wish i could have done it in that instead of flash |
| 20:09.44 | nicoli_s | i had to learn flash to do the model viewer and i fucking hate every time i have to touch it |
| 20:09.58 | Fisker | i.e. like how Google basically went "fuck html5, webm, etc." on videos because it was missing features |
| 20:10.21 | Adys | i wouldnt touch flash with a pole bigger than Shadowed's main genital tool |
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| 20:10.39 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 20:10.41 | Fisker | bam |
| 20:11.11 | Kyrain | I need help with a table |
| 20:11.13 | Fisker | the ant queen keeps sending reconnaissance drones |
| 20:11.18 | Fisker | damn jerk |
| 20:11.32 | Kyrain | May this work? for i = 1, 400 do HP[i] = HP[i+1] |
| 20:11.52 | nevcairiel | add a "end" at the end, and sure |
| 20:12.00 | Kyrain | great thanks |
| 20:12.10 | Fisker | great, thanks. or great thanks? |
| 20:12.23 | Kyrain | hmm kinda both |
| 20:12.31 | nevcairiel | great fisker, great, great thanks |
| 20:13.13 | cadabra | why is SkillzMainTable.players[sn].healtable[splln] = {"splln" = {[splln]= {}}} where sn and splln are variables giving me the error: Message: Interface\AddOns\skillzreceive\skillzreceivenew.lua:18: '}' expected near '=' |
| 20:13.14 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 20:13.48 | Fisker | so 6 days and a few hours remaining |
| 20:13.59 | nevcairiel | cadabra: you either need to do {splln = {...}} or {["splln"] = {...}} |
| 20:14.20 | nevcairiel | Fisker: give gts440 for my htpc |
| 20:14.35 | Fisker | naw |
| 20:14.55 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: he said splln is a variable, so that should work |
| 20:15.13 | Maldivia | ohh, the first of them |
| 20:15.15 | Maldivia | nevermind :P |
| 20:15.16 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 20:21.25 | Kyrain | Is there a way to draw a dot or a single line without the whole CreateTexture stuff? |
| 20:21.49 | nevcairiel | not really. no |
| 20:21.53 | cog|work | the only graphics wow knows how to do are textures and fonts |
| 20:21.58 | cog|work | you can fake a dot with a bullet character |
| 20:22.16 | Kyrain | but I guess its hard to place those |
| 20:22.22 | Kyrain | *it's |
| 20:22.37 | nevcairiel | can also just use solid-color textures, don't have to have an image for primitives |
| 20:22.38 | cog|work | yep. and you'd be slightly dependent on the user's font choice for proper positioning |
| 20:23.00 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 20:23.03 | cog|work | no |
| 20:23.07 | Fisker | i want to hold your cog |
| 20:23.16 | cog|work | lolpreempted |
| 20:23.19 | Kyrain | I'll go with a solid-color Texture then, thanks once more ^^ |
| 20:24.17 | alestane | Good bosses prize people who will give them a straight answer: http://www.gpf-comics.com/archive.php?d=19981212 |
| 20:26.42 | Satisfyme | Question: Since I haven't raided mutch, then how many do you need in a party to be able to convert it over to a raid ? |
| 20:26.58 | Dagmar | Two. |
| 20:27.17 | Dagmar | Technically one, but good luck doing it without getting two people first. |
| 20:27.58 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: oh man, old school gpf.. |
| 20:28.10 | Satisfyme | okay. I have tried with 2 in a party but when I used /run ConvertToRaid() it didn't convert :S |
| 20:28.15 | alestane | Back before it was about alternate timelines and stuff, yes. |
| 20:28.22 | NightHawkTheSane | back when it was really good :) |
| 20:28.46 | Dagmar | Then you've done something wrong. I've fired off a group invite at guildmates just so I could go into AQ at least 2-3 times |
| 20:29.14 | zenzelezz | Satisfyme: maybe a silly question, but are you the group leader? |
| 20:29.32 | Satisfyme | I hould be since I was the one inviting |
| 20:31.32 | Fisker | alestane |
| 20:31.36 | Fisker | bitchesmen |
| 20:31.58 | Dagmar | I've converted a group with just me in it, too, but that's because everyone else left. I didn't even know it could keep a group alive with just one person |
| 20:32.41 | Devlol | foxlit: I had to modify your code. Remove UnitName(..) call. Just s:GetUnit() work ! :) |
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| 20:33.38 | foxlit | Hm, that method is a bit silly :) |
| 20:33.46 | foxlit | Did you test it on people from a different server yet? |
| 20:34.07 | foxlit | you might have to replace UnitName(...) with UnitName(select(2, ...)) |
| 20:34.12 | foxlit | Then again, you might not :) |
| 20:34.17 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
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| 20:34.58 | Devlol | foxlit: Not yet ;). I would prefer to declare the "big rating table" in an external file. Is it possible to import a file ? |
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| 20:35.43 | Mirrormn | GetUnitName and UnitName have different functionality |
| 20:35.44 | foxlit | You can't import a file, but you can achieve what you want anyway |
| 20:36.07 | Mirrormn | one returns the whole name-server as a string, one returns multiple arguments with name and server separate |
| 20:36.15 | Mirrormn | I can't remember which is which atm though |
| 20:36.17 | foxlit | There's actually a vararg expression in the outer scope of every Lua file run by wow |
| 20:36.28 | foxlit | You can do local addonName, addonTable = ... |
| 20:36.42 | Zasurus | I'm back... any code formater that will format table code? WoWLua colours it nicely but no charage returns or tabs :-( |
| 20:37.11 | foxlit | Then, in your big definition file, addonTable.ratingTable = { ["Artax"] = 909, ... } |
| 20:37.37 | Devlol | foxlit: Ok. Thank you :) |
| 20:37.39 | Mirrormn | foxlit: it just creates a table for you to use, without you asking? |
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| 20:38.02 | foxlit | Mirrormn: it has to for things to work, yes. |
| 20:38.13 | Mirrormn | what type of things? |
| 20:38.31 | foxlit | sharing variables across multiple files without leaking them into the global environment. |
| 20:39.32 | Mirrormn | are all the lua files for a given addon passed the same table in the vararg? |
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| 20:39.40 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:39.50 | alestane | Yes, Mirrormn, that's the point of the table. |
| 20:40.01 | Mirrormn | hrm |
| 20:40.39 | Mirrormn | I think I'd prefer my addon's table to be globally accessible, though |
| 20:41.24 | foxlit | And you can do that, too. |
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| 20:44.07 | Mirrormn | hrmph |
| 20:44.14 | Mirrormn | authentication servers are down =/ |
| 20:44.40 | tem | ~wowalert |
| 20:44.41 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 20:44.45 | Dashkal | "We will be extending this maintenance until 2:00PM PDT." - Wymdar |
| 20:45.28 | tem | the server alert say 3pm PDT |
| 20:45.48 | Niv | haha |
| 20:46.29 | Dashkal | meh, I'm more interested in what I hope is a new beta build |
| 20:46.46 | nicoli_s | ditto |
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| 20:48.11 | Mirrormn | new beta build is nice |
| 20:48.21 | Mirrormn | but I wanted to take some nicer screenshots for my addons =/ |
| 20:48.53 | nicoli_s | wait, a new beta build is up? |
| 20:48.58 | Mirrormn | no |
| 20:49.03 | nicoli_s | o |
| 20:49.05 | Devlol | foxlit: The GetUnit() return actually playername, "event" like (mouseover, target,...) |
| 20:49.05 | Mirrormn | beta servers are down |
| 20:49.08 | Kraps | should i resub champions online or go with aion? |
| 20:49.11 | Mirrormn | speculation ensues |
| 20:49.23 | foxlit | Devlol: yeah, I looked it up later. |
| 20:49.30 | foxlit | The question is whether the player name contains the realm. |
| 20:50.01 | foxlit | The second variable is the actual unitid you can feed to UnitName to fetch the name, realm data, but if you already get that as the first arg, you could save a call. |
| 20:50.26 | Devlol | Maybe the realm is added only in battleground and just "concatened" with the playername |
| 20:50.41 | foxlit | It could be. |
| 20:50.51 | foxlit | You should test:) |
| 20:51.19 | zenzelezz | http://comixed.com/2010/07/20/4-koma-comic-strip-reunification/ |
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| 20:51.27 | Devlol | And wait 15min in the battleground queue :D |
| 20:51.42 | Mirrormn | UnitName() returns two values; name and realm |
| 20:51.42 | foxlit | random bg should pop sooner. Unless you're not max level, I suppose. |
| 20:51.58 | Mirrormn | GetUnitName(unit, false) returns just name |
| 20:52.07 | foxlit | Mirrormn: you're slightly out of phase with the conversation. |
| 20:52.19 | Mirrormn | yeah I think so |
| 20:52.32 | Zasurus | You could also try it in a instance (if your luckly and get players from other servers) |
| 20:52.33 | foxlit | We were talking about GameTooltip's GetUnit method. |
| 20:53.00 | Mirrormn | mm |
| 20:53.11 | Zasurus | Although they may be less than happy when you stand around testing addons... ;-) |
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| 21:04.18 | Devlol | foxlit: the "addon" is working ahah ! I can't believe it. it's very straight forward |
| 21:04.44 | Devlol | If someone wants the "code" snippet or the python script to retrieve data just ask :p |
| 21:05.10 | Kyrain | Is there a way to run a function like 4 times a second? |
| 21:05.12 | Kaelten | apparently I write like dan brown :/ |
| 21:05.31 | foxlit | Kaelten: wildly popular fiction that kills your brain? |
| 21:06.01 | Mirrormn | Kyrain: 2 ways, but most people use a timer library that keeps them from having to muck about with timing code |
| 21:06.26 | Kaelten | foxlit: I put the text from a few of the recent announcements in iwl.me |
| 21:06.27 | Kyrain | k thanks, will look for that |
| 21:06.29 | zenzelezz | foxlit: maybe his code is just based on hearsay and myths, and easily debunked |
| 21:06.30 | Kaelten | all came out to dan brown :/ |
| 21:06.31 | Mirrormn | also, you should really make sure the thing you're trying to accomplish can't be done with events instead |
| 21:06.47 | Maldivia | *grumble* |
| 21:07.06 | Kaelten | were Bibi came out with Cory Doctorow |
| 21:07.10 | Kyrain | I try to code a realtim-statusgraph of your health ^^ |
| 21:07.14 | Torhal | Kaelten: Like Dan Brown? Huh? |
| 21:07.21 | Kyrain | for tanking purposes |
| 21:07.36 | Mirrormn | Kyrain: use the UNIT_HEALTH event, then |
| 21:08.15 | Maldivia | http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5u3lhTbrc1qzoanto1_400.jpg -- hehe |
| 21:08.24 | Kyrain | hmm, that might just work, although the graph won't update once the health is full |
| 21:08.27 | foxlit | "James Fenimore Cooper" :/ |
| 21:09.27 | Mirrormn | oh, well, if you want to animate your graph to update every .25s regardless of health changes |
| 21:09.35 | Kyrain | jep |
| 21:09.58 | Mirrormn | then you'd probably want to set its OnUpdate script to do that |
| 21:10.18 | Kyrain | ok |
| 21:12.15 | foxlit | "David Foster Wallace" :/ |
| 21:12.35 | Mirrormn | Kyrain: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/138746 |
| 21:12.57 | Kyrain | oh thanks |
| 21:13.32 | Mirrormn | OnUpdate gets called everytime WoW draws a frame, and when it does, the second arguments tells you how long it's been since the last frame was drawn (and the last OnUpdate was called) |
| 21:13.42 | Mirrormn | *argument |
| 21:15.09 | Kyrain | and since I draw a frame with this function OnUpdate will be called at least every .25 seconds |
| 21:15.19 | Kyrain | Thanks again |
| 21:16.02 | Mirrormn | OnUpdate will be called at least every .25s as long as your FPS is greater than 4 ^_^ |
| 21:16.36 | Torhal | Kyrain: If you are running at 120FPS, your function is called 120 times in a second. |
| 21:16.41 | Torhal | You should be throttling. |
| 21:17.23 | Kyrain | oh right, yeah it's throttled, Mirrormn took care of that ^^ |
| 21:17.29 | Mirrormn | yar, I meant "draw a frame" as in "frames per second" |
| 21:18.03 | Kyrain | oh, at first I thought as CreateFrame is called |
| 21:18.15 | Mirrormn | nope |
| 21:18.20 | Mirrormn | that's OnShow |
| 21:18.31 | Kyrain | X_X right |
| 21:19.40 | Mirrormn | every time WoW renders everything on your screen in order for it to be displayed on your monitor, it has to call the OnUpdate method of every Frame widget on your screen to make sure they all display correctly |
| 21:19.46 | alestane | Personally, I prefer to count down. It does slightly fewer table lookups (an admittedly insignificant performance increase) and fits my personality better. |
| 21:20.56 | Mirrormn | so what, "frame.elapsed = frame.elapsed - elapsed; if frame.elapsed <= 0 then frame.elapsed = frame.delay end" ? |
| 21:21.41 | Mirrormn | I don't like doing it that way -.- |
| 21:22.05 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.36 | alestane | I'd probably call it "remaining" instead of "elapsed," but functionally, yes. |
| 21:23.15 | Mirrormn | foxlit: or they just use the math anyway but it's harder to understand because its not typeset well |
| 21:23.53 | Mirrormn | I don't think I like this Lance Fortnow guy |
| 21:26.05 | Kyrain | Sounds just like our computer science profs, a friend of mine got thrown out for inefficient programming. He used "Cursor Back" and "Delete" instead of "Backspace" |
| 21:27.29 | alestane | While it's an odd typing practice, it hardly seems like a reason to excoriate someone from a CS program. |
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| 21:28.25 | KarlKFI|work | i do the opositte all the time |
| 21:28.43 | KarlKFI|work | cursor forward, backspace |
| 21:28.59 | Mirrormn | I usually just select with the mouse -.- |
| 21:29.02 | foxlit | My laptop has no dedicated delete key |
| 21:29.07 | Kyrain | uh mouse... |
| 21:29.10 | KarlKFI|work | old macs didnt have delete |
| 21:29.14 | Ackis | I select it with my mouse, and then hit delete /wink |
| 21:29.30 | Mirrormn | Ackis: /wink |
| 21:29.56 | KarlKFI|work | selects Ackis and hits Delete |
| 21:30.04 | Mirrormn | I think maybe I should switch from xperl/grid to some oUF layouts |
| 21:30.23 | KarlKFI|work | or wait till cata |
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| 21:30.31 | foxlit | -A backspace, generally |
| 21:30.54 | Dagmar | I though on old macs you just dragged your typos to the trash can so it could unmount them |
| 21:31.05 | KarlKFI|work | that too |
| 21:31.10 | Ackis | ~Mirrormn |
| 21:31.11 | purl | well, mirrormn is Nmrorrim in reverse. not a bookmark |
| 21:31.14 | foxlit | alternatively, -shift-left backspace if we're not talking about the whole document |
| 21:31.15 | Ackis | ~Ackis |
| 21:31.16 | purl | you are probably fail |
| 21:31.19 | Ackis | :( |
| 21:31.22 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 21:31.39 | Dashkal | purl, have a cookie |
| 21:31.40 | purl | Ta. *Munch* |
| 21:31.55 | Mirrormn | well I'm gonna buy a new monitor soon |
| 21:31.59 | KarlKFI|work | purl, how many cookies have you had today? |
| 21:32.08 | Mirrormn | as soon as I can find a good deal on a preferrably 1920x1200 display |
| 21:32.15 | KarlKFI|work | purl, get some exercise. |
| 21:32.16 | purl | ACTION fetches some exercise. |
| 21:32.34 | Mirrormn | so I'm debating whether I should redo unit frames now just to have to redo them agan when my resolution changes |
| 21:35.43 | Kyrain | noooooo, testing your new AddOn on a Tuesday night, not such a great idea |
| 21:36.10 | Mirrormn | hmm? |
| 21:36.17 | KarlKFI|work | testing other people's addons is worse |
| 21:36.20 | Kyrain | server maintenance |
| 21:36.38 | Mirrormn | maybe on EU servers... |
| 21:37.45 | Dagmar | Stop trying to fit things to pixels |
| 21:39.31 | Mirrormn | ? |
| 21:47.36 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/07/ff_att_fail/ - good read. |
| 21:53.21 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: interesting |
| 21:53.44 | Lunessa | Yeah, I was interested in the 'peek behind the curtain' bits. |
| 21:54.50 | Dagmar | I'm more impressed to see someone admitting that AT&T is fucking their customers |
| 21:56.59 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:57.37 | Mirrormn | Dagmar: that article seems to mostly be slanted towards explaining that AT&T was forced to fuck their customers because Apple was fucking them behind the scenes |
| 21:58.49 | Dagmar | Umm.. no. |
| 21:59.04 | Dagmar | The only thing Apple did was refuse to degrade the iPhone to cover for AT&Ts fuck upo |
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| 22:00.15 | Mirrormn | Dagmar: I wasn't arguing that that *was* the case, merely that that's how the article is slanted |
| 22:00.32 | Lunessa | AT&T was used to getting it's way - Apple didn't want to play that way, so AT&T got to see what the lack of infrastructure build-up meant when there finally was a consumer device that made real demands. |
| 22:00.53 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.17 | Dagmar | What AT&T is used to is piling customers onto their network and spending as little as possible to keep it going. |
| 22:01.29 | Dagmar | It's what AT&T has _always_ done, even before the break-up. |
| 22:02.07 | Mirrormn | there's a graph that shows they spent $5billion more on infrastructure than they earned in operating income in 2008 |
| 22:02.12 | Dagmar | Back in the 90's here they asked for a crapload of money via the Public Service Commission so they could upgrade their network to offer "next-generation DSL services |
| 22:02.14 | Lunessa | We saw this before in the 80s and 90s, first with LD carriers and then with x.25, then with broadband. Customer demand is always greater than network capacity, and network owners are loath to spend the big bucks on infrastructure. |
| 22:02.18 | Dagmar | They didn't do shit. |
| 22:02.31 | alestane | I felt there was a slight slant to the article that seemed to paint AT&T as the victim of Apple's spouse abuse, but not overwhelming. |
| 22:02.36 | Mirrormn | I'M NOT SAYING THEY DID |
| 22:02.42 | Mirrormn | I'M EXPLAINING THE BIAS OF THE ARTICLE |
| 22:02.46 | Dagmar | They upgraded a small part of the most moneyed county in Middle Tennessee, and the rest of that free money went towards infrastructure maintenance and profit margins, not upgrades. |
| 22:03.02 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: I still ain't seein it the way you do |
| 22:03.38 | Lunessa | alestane: Yeah, I got some of that feel too. I sensed that the author was trying not to just jump on the #attfail or an #applefail bandwagon, but had some trouble. |
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| 22:04.13 | Mirrormn | the article explains up front that the iPhone was creating much more traffic than anyone expected, and then goes on with a bunch of behind-the-scenes anecdotes about how AT&T wanted to do some kind of data throttling (which, int he article, was implied to be a perfectly normal thing that happens all the time) and then how Apple refused to do it |
| 22:04.28 | Dagmar | It's hard to dress it up as anything but, since AT&T proably had to hire extra contractors to fuck up that much |
| 22:04.33 | Ackis | anyone who bitches about at&t or other american cell provides should be required to use a canadian provider for a month |
| 22:04.48 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: Why in the hell should they? |
| 22:04.58 | Mirrormn | AAAAAAAAAAH |
| 22:05.02 | Mirrormn | I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULD |
| 22:05.05 | Mirrormn | AAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 22:05.07 | kd3 | caps |
| 22:05.09 | Dagmar | You don't get a choice as to whether or not you pay for the data plan |
| 22:05.16 | Mirrormn | I think Dagmar is trolling me |
| 22:05.18 | alestane | I'll grant that Apple's ego is legendary, but to me it also feels like AT&T is hoping to run their company under "business as usual" principles rather than try and create something positive. |
| 22:05.23 | Dagmar | WHy should they be allowed to force traffic off their network and onto others? |
| 22:05.31 | Dagmar | Tell me. |
| 22:05.33 | alestane | He does that to people on a daily basis, Mirrormn. |
| 22:05.50 | Dagmar | I'm not trolling, I'm just damn sure of what I'm talking. |
| 22:06.08 | Mirrormn | except you're talking about something completely different than what I'm talking about |
| 22:06.25 | cog|work | note to self: don't type a bunch of numbers before entering insert mode in vi |
| 22:06.27 | Dagmar | AT&T can't have it both ways. They can't both require people to pay a premium for a service, and then shunt the load of that service onto other networks they're not responsible for when they oversell |
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| 22:07.04 | Dagmar | The Wired reported painted that the only way he could that wouldn't be just the _unvarnished_ truth. |
| 22:08.14 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: You were also mistaken about it being a perfectly normal thing |
| 22:08.25 | Mirrormn | oh my god |
| 22:08.35 | Jinivus|atWork | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:08.38 | Dashkal | Wow, you two are still on this? |
| 22:08.42 | Mirrormn | buries his head in a hole |
| 22:08.51 | Dashkal | kd3: any hints of a new beta patch yet? :P |
| 22:08.56 | Dagmar | OH MY GOD |
| 22:09.01 | kd3 | my scripts aren't finding anything |
| 22:09.02 | Dagmar | The world is ending because someone disagrees with you |
| 22:09.07 | Dashkal | ahh well |
| 22:09.14 | nicoli_s | everyone has been extra testy today |
| 22:09.22 | nicoli_s | must be curse's fault somehow |
| 22:09.28 | Jinivus|atWork | ^ |
| 22:09.29 | Dashkal | nicoli_s: always is |
| 22:09.31 | kd3 | of course. how'd you guess? |
| 22:09.31 | Dagmar | Christ they must be trolling |
| 22:09.32 | foxlit | 51 minutes, Amazon. |
| 22:09.38 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 22:09.39 | Mirrormn | Dagmar: you're disagreeing with what the article says, but you're trying to play it as if it is my personal opinion, which I told you like 3 times it wasn't |
| 22:09.40 | foxlit | 51 minutes before your dispatch estimate fails by your local time :P |
| 22:10.11 | Xyphoid | so where's the best place in beta to hang out and murder goblins as soon as they enter contested territory |
| 22:10.14 | Dagmar | ...and I'm saying, and have been saying, it's not _bias_ |
| 22:10.25 | foxlit | [can they even ship stuff this close to midnight?] |
| 22:10.29 | kd3 | xyph; ashenvale |
| 22:10.53 | kd3 | it's <instanced lands>->azshara -> ashenvale -> stonetalon |
| 22:11.09 | Xyphoid | i assume it'll be hilarious with flying mounts and tracking |
| 22:11.30 | Dashkal | I may be in the market for a PvE server shortly... |
| 22:11.50 | Dashkal | Trying to level a worgen past 12 will be pointless |
| 22:12.17 | Dagmar | Wuss |
| 22:12.44 | Dashkal | Getting ganked once in awhile is fine. getting camped for literally hours... well, no progress is being made. |
| 22:12.48 | Mirrormn | it's 3pm PST and my servers are not up :( |
| 22:12.58 | kd3 | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert |
| 22:13.06 | Dagmar | And yet, PVP is supposedly where the "real challenge" is at, and it's not for kiddies |
| 22:13.08 | alestane | I've always felt there's a distinction between "wuss" and "tired of spending more time running back to your corpse than playing a living, questing character." |
| 22:13.23 | Dagmar | Yes, this is why the rest of us play pve servers. |
| 22:13.36 | Dashkal | Camped by an 80 != challenge. |
| 22:13.41 | Dashkal | Not at that level |
| 22:13.58 | Dagmar | You can always just logout and come back later, or work on a different toon |
| 22:14.00 | Dashkal | hmm, is redridge still contested? |
| 22:14.02 | Mirrormn | Dashkal: a truely skilled pvper can beat a level 80 with a level 12 character |
| 22:14.10 | Mirrormn | you're just not skillsy enough |
| 22:14.13 | Dashkal | ignores the troll |
| 22:14.26 | Kyrain | ^^ |
| 22:14.28 | Xyphoid | traditionally the reason you go gank people in ashenvale is to encourage them to cry for help to their buddies |
| 22:15.08 | Dashkal | Xyphoid: *nods* Yep, under normal circumstances that's how it goes. But much like wotlk and DKs in Hfp, we're going to get griefers who just want to camp the horde of newbies for a few houes |
| 22:15.12 | Dashkal | hours* |
| 22:15.36 | Dashkal | Getting through Hfp was a royal pita. Got better once I got to zangar, fortunately |
| 22:15.45 | Mirrormn | if I had known what a PvP server was when I created my first character, I would have chosen a PvE server instead |
| 22:15.51 | Jinivus|atWork | Are gnome/worgen DKs in the beta atm? |
| 22:15.55 | Dashkal | I might just skip the first contested zones by hiding in the dungeon finder. It'll get much better a zone in |
| 22:16.44 | Dagmar | Obviously there's no one there who feels strongly enough about PvP to protect their friends on their lowbies. Imagine that |
| 22:16.44 | alestane | Doesn't work (or didn't in my experience)...when a 55 and a 60 pinned us inside Splintertree Post (where the flight path comes down inside a cul-de-sac), our cries for assistance were met with "Suck it up, it's war." |
| 22:16.44 | Dashkal | Jinivus|atWork: I didn't actually create one, but yet I saw it at the character create screen |
| 22:16.45 | Kyrain | I am trying to create like 400 textures, like this http://wowuidev.pastey.net/138752 . Can someone tell me why it works in my head and not in WoW? |
| 22:16.45 | zenzelezz | why do you want 400 textures? |
| 22:16.45 | Dashkal | alestane: Buddies more often means guildies than /1 or /3 |
| 22:17.06 | alestane | Hence why I'll never try to level on a PvP where I don't know existing players again. |
| 22:17.11 | Lunessa | Jinivus|atWork: Yes, Goblin and Worgen DKs are in. |
| 22:17.16 | Dashkal | If they're the ones ignoring you, you need a better guild :P |
| 22:17.22 | Mirrormn | Kyrain: if you *have* to create 400 textures |
| 22:17.28 | Mirrormn | which you really shouldn't |
| 22:17.37 | Mirrormn | you at least should not anchor them all to each other |
| 22:17.50 | Mirrormn | wow's layout engine chokes when you tries to anchor things in really long chains |
| 22:17.57 | Mirrormn | *try |
| 22:18.06 | Kyrain | hmm ok |
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| 22:18.15 | alestane | ~~WAI!~~ |
| 22:18.17 | Mirrormn | I know that from personal experience O.o |
| 22:18.28 | alestane | squeezes Lopeppeppy until she turns slightly blue. |
| 22:18.53 | Lunessa | I created a goblin DK and ran around a little bit. |
| 22:18.54 | Kyrain | ok, I'll try to work around that |
| 22:19.09 | Mirrormn | Kyrain: what exactly are you trying to do with all these 400 textures in the first place? |
| 22:19.15 | Kyrain | Mirrormn: the error I get is: attempt to perform arithmetic on field '?' (a nil value) |
| 22:19.26 | Dashkal | hmm, I hope lakeshire is no longer contested. Would be odd given how many non-contested 10-20 zones there are. |
| 22:19.26 | zenzelezz | ohai peppy |
| 22:19.29 | Kyrain | I try to draw a realtime graph of my health |
| 22:19.50 | Mirrormn | ah, yeah |
| 22:19.51 | Mirrormn | hrm |
| 22:20.12 | Dashkal | Kyrain: have a look at recount. It does graphs somehow. |
| 22:20.32 | Kyrain | yeah.... that's a huge amount of code |
| 22:20.46 | Mirrormn | unless you actually need to display 400 different discrete values on your graph at a time |
| 22:20.53 | Kyrain | last time I didn't even now where to start looking |
| 22:20.54 | Mirrormn | there is a probably a better way than using 400 textures |
| 22:21.03 | Dashkal | The graphing code or the entire addon? You don't exactly need to read the source for the combat log parser to see how the graph was done |
| 22:21.13 | Kyrain | ok |
| 22:21.21 | Yssaril | Kyrain: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libgraph-2-0/ |
| 22:21.38 | Kyrain | neat |
| 22:23.37 | Lopeppeppy | heya, zenzelezz!! |
| 22:23.48 | Lopeppeppy | heya, alestane. |
| 22:24.19 | alestane | I guess you've been feeling unwell, so I didn't knock you off the couch. |
| 22:24.43 | Lopeppeppy | yes. Miserable yesterday. Today is better. |
| 22:24.56 | Kyrain | Thanks Yssaril |
| 22:25.21 | Yssaril | Kyrain: fyi i have never used it myself i just know it exists :P |
| 22:25.24 | alestane | Better is good. Kat made it to work today too. |
| 22:26.41 | Lopeppeppy | She was sicker than I was, so that's awesome. |
| 22:26.58 | alestane | She said she accomplished this mostly on the "meds are good" plan. |
| 22:27.41 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, my recovery is also along that same line. I spent 3 hours dealing with the walk-in clinic yesterday. |
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| 22:29.43 | Lunessa | It's the end of the world as we know it. |
| 22:30.18 | alestane | ...but...I feel fine... |
| 22:30.23 | Niv | hrmm, so deepholm is 82-83, and both uldum and twilight highlands are in theory 84-85? |
| 22:30.46 | Kandoko | Are lua errors/stack traces affected by the locale the client is in? or will WTF\Account\XXX\SavedVariables\ show up the same regardless of locale? |
| 22:30.49 | Niv | seems like there's either a missing zone, or one of those should be lower |
| 22:31.11 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaydeethree/zones |
| 22:31.19 | Niv | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25968836776&sid=2000 |
| 22:31.19 | Niv | :P |
| 22:31.32 | Niv | same thing |
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| 22:31.56 | Mirrormn | I think you could probably get close to 84 by the time you finish deepholme |
| 22:32.06 | Mirrormn | if you do vashj'ir and hyjal |
| 22:32.08 | kd3 | no |
| 22:32.08 | Niv | if you do both hyjal and vashjir |
| 22:32.09 | Niv | yea |
| 22:32.17 | kd3 | ya. I didn't hit 83 at the end of deepholm |
| 22:32.30 | Niv | I hit 83 working on the last set of pillar quests (I think) |
| 22:32.47 | Niv | killed some stone dragons and ding'd |
| 22:32.53 | Niv | and ran maybe 5 instances in total |
| 22:33.04 | Mirrormn | I hit 83 not long after I got my first of 3 pillar fragments |
| 22:33.08 | Mirrormn | and didn't run any instances |
| 22:33.14 | Niv | right, so you carried rested further |
| 22:33.23 | Mirrormn | I don't recall being rested |
| 22:33.29 | Niv | you were rested at 80 |
| 22:33.37 | Mirrormn | considering I went from 80-83 in like a 48 hour period |
| 22:33.43 | Lunessa | I was 82 long before finishing either of Hyjal or Vash'jir. You'll easily be 83-83 before you complete both of those areas. |
| 22:33.52 | Dashkal | sighs |
| 22:33.54 | Dashkal | 4pm |
| 22:33.57 | Niv | but I don't think they expect you to do both |
| 22:34.01 | kd3 | hit 82 3 quests in to abyssal depths |
| 22:34.09 | NeoTron | I wonder if they changed xp rates |
| 22:34.12 | kd3 | but they tuned the xp down from when I did it |
| 22:34.23 | NeoTron | I hit 82 having done just part of hyjal and part of Vashj'ir |
| 22:34.23 | Niv | hah |
| 22:34.34 | Niv | I hit 82 near the end of vashjir |
| 22:34.38 | Niv | and that's all I did |
| 22:34.49 | NeoTron | so 83 is a lot slower then? |
| 22:34.50 | Niv | somewhere in the end of the naga chain |
| 22:34.53 | Niv | nah |
| 22:34.53 | Mirrormn | I don't remember when I hit 82, I think it was in the shimmering expanse |
| 22:34.55 | Lunessa | Niv: Maybe, but why miss the story? I know many of my friends on Live will do both, and some will just pester me to tell them the fastest way to hit 85 so they can raid. |
| 22:34.57 | Niv | about the same really |
| 22:34.57 | NeoTron | or Deepholm being short? |
| 22:35.11 | Niv | Lunessa: I will probably do one on each toon |
| 22:35.14 | NeoTron | you're not intended to do both vashj'ir and hyjal though |
| 22:35.19 | Mirrormn | why not? |
| 22:35.20 | kd3 | deepholm's only one level of xp. vashj/hyjal are 2 |
| 22:35.20 | Warloco | Still no word from blizzard on the beta keys? |
| 22:35.24 | NeoTron | they are the same level range |
| 22:35.29 | Cloudwolf | Warloco |
| 22:35.31 | Niv | kd3 is right |
| 22:35.32 | Cloudwolf | no idea |
| 22:35.36 | NeoTron | it's like in Northrend - you pick one place to go to |
| 22:35.40 | Niv | ^ |
| 22:35.41 | Cloudwolf | but the beta servers last i heard were under maintenance |
| 22:35.46 | Mirrormn | I dunno about that |
| 22:35.55 | kd3 | it's true. they have said that before |
| 22:35.57 | Cloudwolf | Neotron that bugged me about northrend |
| 22:36.00 | kd3 | they don't want a repeat of hellfire peninsula |
| 22:36.05 | Mirrormn | I was barely past 81 when I finished hyjal |
| 22:36.06 | Niv | choice is a GOOD thing |
| 22:36.15 | Mirrormn | and that was with rested, I guess |
| 22:36.15 | Niv | Mirrormn: odd |
| 22:36.20 | Warloco | meh |
| 22:36.26 | NeoTron | if you go to the zone at 78 like a new char likely would, you probably should do both |
| 22:36.29 | kd3 | then they need to fix the xp curve. you're supposed to be able to hit 82 either doing just hyjal r just vashjir |
| 22:36.29 | Lunessa | In Northrend I almost always did both Borean Tundra and Howling Fjord. |
| 22:36.30 | NeoTron | otherwise not |
| 22:36.33 | Cloudwolf | I agree but i still don't care for picking one or the other and im not one to go back after level cap to get the quests for the lore >.. |
| 22:36.35 | Mirrormn | I may have been 1/3 through 81 at the most |
| 22:36.50 | kd3 | s/hyjal r/hyjal or/ |
| 22:36.53 | Niv | I usually did BT->DB->ZD->SB->SP |
| 22:36.58 | Niv | and would ding fast in SP |
| 22:37.00 | Cloudwolf | actulay i just send 1 to level at HF and 1 at BT |
| 22:37.04 | NeoTron | BT was a lot fas |
| 22:37.07 | NeoTron | err |
| 22:37.14 | NeoTron | BT leveling is a lot faster than HF |
| 22:37.16 | Mirrormn | and the thing is |
| 22:37.23 | Niv | HF you have to run around a lot |
| 22:37.26 | Mirrormn | you can't even think about going to deepholme until you're 82 |
| 22:37.27 | NeoTron | yep |
| 22:37.37 | Mirrormn | so it's not like 1.8 levels is good enough |
| 22:37.39 | Niv | Mirrormn: right, but I hit 82 before I was done with vashjir |
| 22:37.52 | Mirrormn | well, vashj'ir seemed a lot bigger than hyjal to me |
| 22:37.55 | NeoTron | much better quest flow in BT - I did a test and my xp / hr rate was baout 2-3 times a shigh in BT than HF after having done both before and knowing the zones well |
| 22:37.57 | Niv | I think I went into deepholmes with 1.5 million over 82 |
| 22:38.19 | kd3 | then that just means the hyjal xp curve is too low. which is fine... there are a lot of level79/80 quests in hyjal. they're mostly 81 in vashj'ir |
| 22:38.26 | Niv | Mirrormn: I can't really comment on hyjal, haven't done it yet |
| 22:38.29 | NeoTron | Mirrormn: all I know is what I said - I have part of hyjal and part of vashj'ir done when I hit 82 |
| 22:38.31 | Mirrormn | when you say "BT" the only thing I can think of is "Black Temple" |
| 22:38.46 | NeoTron | I stopped then since it was the limit and warlocks didn't get any love and haven't continued since warlocks now are even worse off |
| 22:39.04 | Mirrormn | oh, borean tunda |
| 22:39.05 | Niv | try your DK out |
| 22:39.19 | NeoTron | from what I understand warlocks are in better shape than DKs :P |
| 22:39.21 | Niv | the quests are really well done in vashjir |
| 22:39.34 | Niv | NeoTron: anything but destro is supposed to be fine |
| 22:39.39 | Niv | you just hate 2/3s of your class ;) |
| 22:39.43 | Mirrormn | every time I leveled a character to 80, I did howling fjord -> borean tundred -> dragonblight -> grizzly hills and then finished doing the Hodir quests in storm peaks |
| 22:39.50 | NeoTron | DK's also have a whole new rotation / rune system that never worked well |
| 22:39.53 | NeoTron | at least not unholy |
| 22:39.56 | kd3 | meh. I felt too unimportant in kelp forest. "Oh, go collect crap" x3848 |
| 22:39.57 | Cloudwolf | Warlocks piss me off in pvp but sorry thats just my pvp jumping down my throat again |
| 22:40.10 | Niv | kelp forest was the weakest area of the zone |
| 22:40.11 | Lunessa | The story line in Vash'jir is pretty good once you get past the Kelp Forest. |
| 22:40.13 | Niv | for many reasons :) |
| 22:40.14 | NeoTron | Niv: nah I hate affliction period. Demo can be ok for leveling though but horrible for raiding |
| 22:40.34 | Niv | demo sounds fun for raiding |
| 22:40.36 | kd3 | I know. I rather enjoyed shimmering expanse once it kicked in after nespirah |
| 22:40.40 | Kraps | THIS THREAD IS GOING PLACES http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26137136501&sid=1 |
| 22:40.43 | Niv | now that you can ignore your pet for the most part |
| 22:41.12 | Lunessa | kd3: The Naga Spirit line was MUCH fun. |
| 22:41.17 | kd3 | yes, yes it was |
| 22:41.22 | Niv | yea |
| 22:41.24 | Niv | awesome |
| 22:41.26 | kd3 | hopefully they get the vehicle bugs fixed soonish |
| 22:41.31 | Niv | you had bugs? |
| 22:41.36 | Adys | The IT Crowd: It has been announced that a fifth series, likely to contain 6 episodes, has been ordered and will air in 2011.[1] |
| 22:41.39 | Adys | :D |
| 22:41.40 | kd3 | the naga were hitting me, not the battlemaiden |
| 22:41.48 | Niv | huh, I had no problems |
| 22:41.51 | Niv | when did you do it? |
| 22:41.54 | kd3 | alpha |
| 22:41.57 | Niv | ah |
| 22:42.00 | NeoTron | Niv: the rotation is goddamn awful |
| 22:42.01 | Lunessa | I sort of hope they put more such things in. It was a better way to "experience the past" than yet another Caverns of Time instance. |
| 22:42.02 | Niv | I did it a few days ago |
| 22:42.09 | Niv | NeoTron: It plays like a warrior :) |
| 22:42.15 | Niv | an arms warrior |
| 22:42.18 | Mirrormn | hrm, I the only vehicle bugs I had were with The Verne |
| 22:42.21 | NeoTron | it has procs galore |
| 22:42.21 | Niv | or sort of like prot |
| 22:42.22 | Mirrormn | which is not actually a vehicle |
| 22:42.25 | Niv | procs are fun |
| 22:42.36 | NeoTron | no, IO can honestly say those were not |
| 22:42.38 | NeoTron | at all |
| 22:42.48 | NeoTron | use soul fire, no, incinerate, no, shadow bolt, zomg |
| 22:42.52 | Jinivus|atWork | Adys: :D |
| 22:43.05 | Niv | different people like different play styles |
| 22:43.14 | Niv | destro is so unappealing to me, I don't even think about specing it |
| 22:43.17 | NeoTron | also very frustrating was the 10s corruption... dots with such short duration in addition to using the right of 3 nukes makes for a very annoying rotation imho |
| 22:43.35 | NeoTron | I know that particular issue is fixed in cata (in theory) |
| 22:43.36 | Mirrormn | neotron: Fire mages play a lot like that now too |
| 22:43.41 | Mirrormn | I'm not sure I like that |
| 22:43.49 | Niv | I'm not a big dot fan, which is why I neglect my warlock in general :) |
| 22:43.50 | Xyphoid | i want more playstyles where you occasionally stop pressing buttons for a moment |
| 22:43.59 | Niv | why? |
| 22:44.07 | Cloudwolf | lawl |
| 22:44.08 | Xyphoid | helps the wrists |
| 22:44.09 | Niv | so you can make a sandwich? |
| 22:44.16 | NeoTron | three nukes that you use depending on the availability of two different procs, that can occur at the same time is annoying |
| 22:44.17 | Cloudwolf | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26137024331&pageNo=2&sid=1#36 |
| 22:44.21 | Cloudwolf | look at ghost crawlers post |
| 22:44.30 | NeoTron | especially if you use the wrong spell you might lose limited resource, a shard |
| 22:44.38 | Niv | NeoTron: you could write yourself an addon that just popped up the spell icon based on procs ;) |
| 22:44.53 | NeoTron | ie you have the "soul fire NOW" buff, start casting (fast cast time) but it finishes jhust after the buff goes away - bye shard |
| 22:44.56 | Xyphoid | pressing buttons on gcd for10 minutes is bad for me |
| 22:45.08 | Mirrormn | Xyphoid: I agree, somewhat |
| 22:45.08 | Niv | meh, shards |
| 22:45.13 | Niv | gone now |
| 22:45.15 | Niv | try destro :) |
| 22:45.33 | Mirrormn | I don't mind having to be casting 100% of the time, but I'm not a big fan of having my casts be sub-1.5s in raids |
| 22:45.49 | Xyphoid | yeah, i really appreciated the gcd when i started playing |
| 22:45.49 | Mirrormn | nor a big fan of having to use every single GCD for melee characters |
| 22:45.52 | Xyphoid | screw haste |
| 22:45.58 | Niv | sub-gcd casts suck ass |
| 22:46.08 | Mirrormn | well, GCD is 1s with that much haste |
| 22:46.11 | Niv | right |
| 22:46.15 | Niv | that's fine |
| 22:46.19 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkq_6uBV1wM |
| 22:46.29 | Niv | it's my moonkin spamming w/ bloodlust |
| 22:46.30 | Niv | that makes me rage |
| 22:46.40 | Mirrormn | I was getting to the point where my arcane blasts and missile barrage procs would be sub-1s during bloodlust |
| 22:46.40 | Niv | spamming wrath* |
| 22:46.45 | Niv | yea |
| 22:46.46 | Niv | that sucks ass |
| 22:46.51 | Mirrormn | which is part of the reason why I switch to fire |
| 22:46.58 | Niv | fire is better dps anyway |
| 22:47.02 | Niv | with gear |
| 22:47.15 | Mirrormn | now fireball's cast time is as short as arcane blast's was |
| 22:47.21 | Mirrormn | when I switched, they were about the same |
| 22:47.46 | Mirrormn | actually, when I switched, they were "arcane does slightly more single target but you can usually make up that dps with better mobility" |
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| 22:56.18 | Adys | #ifdef CRASHES_ON_NT40 |
| 22:56.19 | Adys | haha |
| 22:57.34 | zenzelezz | Adys: where from? |
| 22:57.40 | Adys | WINE |
| 22:57.41 | Adys | wine* |
| 22:57.45 | zenzelezz | nice :) |
| 23:04.02 | Cloudwolf | lol icc buff is now at 30% |
| 23:04.22 | Niv | 3.0 patch v2 |
| 23:04.26 | Niv | x3 |
| 23:05.03 | Niv | 258 H-LK w/ 25% |
| 23:05.15 | Niv | I wonder if we'll break 500 with 30% |
| 23:05.24 | Cloudwolf | break 500? |
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| 23:07.03 | Mirrormn | you mean attempts? |
| 23:07.19 | Yssaril | beta still down? |
| 23:07.24 | Niv | no, I mean guilds that have killed him |
| 23:07.32 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 23:07.43 | Mirrormn | well my guild will probably get him this week ^_^ |
| 23:08.31 | Mirrormn | last week we were able to get to phase 3 with no one dead a couple times, but we ran out of attempts |
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| 23:12.13 | Niv | my god |
| 23:12.16 | Niv | you burned 50 attempts? |
| 23:12.21 | A-KO | http://98online.com/twisted/Morgan%20Freeman%20on%20Olympic%20Wedgies.mp3 |
| 23:12.22 | Niv | how many hours do you raid? |
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| 23:17.48 | Dagmar | Niv: They're pro, obviously |
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| 23:18.39 | Zasurus | My god! I just dumped Carbonite's main table (Nx) to a file after it has finished loading and it's currently 125mb and rising!!! :-| |
| 23:19.36 | Zasurus | I'm thinking this wan't a good idea... 200mb+ and still saving! |
| 23:21.20 | Dagmar | It's cool that they obfuscate their codebase, isn't it? |
| 23:21.32 | Zasurus | Well it's better now but still |
| 23:21.51 | Xyphoid | are they still doing that? |
| 23:21.56 | Dagmar | Better in what way? I never heard of them stopping doing it |
| 23:21.57 | Zasurus | I have used WoWLua to make it readable but can't work out how to put anything on the map that doesn't resize |
| 23:22.25 | Yssaril | why did you load Carbonite to begin with? |
| 23:22.26 | Zasurus | They are adding SOME charage returns now but no tabs |
| 23:22.29 | Mirrormn | Niv: Last week, we spent about 3 and a half raid nights on HLK |
| 23:22.34 | Mirrormn | raid lasts about 3-3.5 hours |
| 23:22.45 | Niv | how many hours per week |
| 23:22.53 | Niv | total |
| 23:22.55 | Zasurus | Yssaril: I kinda like it... :| |
| 23:23.00 | Mirrormn | I guess about 15 |
| 23:23.21 | Niv | so 5 nights a week? |
| 23:23.26 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 23:23.31 | Zasurus | :-O That can't be right! I'ts just save 400+mb and still going! :-| |
| 23:23.34 | Niv | you're in college then I assume? :) |
| 23:23.50 | Mirrormn | I'm unemployed >.> |
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| 23:23.53 | Niv | heh |
| 23:24.11 | Yssaril | Zasurus: your doing it worng? (may be hit a recursive table?) |
| 23:24.12 | Niv | poopsocking ftw |
| 23:24.28 | Niv | I don't have the time to do that :) |
| 23:24.33 | Zasurus | Must be going to cancel it as it's over 500mb! LOL |
| 23:24.51 | Mirrormn | well I had a job earlier this year and I still raided every night *shrug* |
| 23:24.52 | Yssaril | Zasurus: you wrote your own function to dump it? |
| 23:25.00 | Niv | Mirrormn: how many weeks have you been working on H-LK? |
| 23:25.07 | Mirrormn | god, it seems like forever |
| 23:25.11 | Mirrormn | forever and ever and ever |
| 23:25.13 | Niv | I'm sure |
| 23:25.29 | Zasurus | Could it have a table with it's self inside it's self? |
| 23:25.48 | Niv | content is paced so much better for a guild like mine |
| 23:26.06 | Niv | I would go mad spending hundreds and hundreds of hours learning a 3 minute phase |
| 23:26.09 | Yssaril | Zasurus: yes |
| 23:26.29 | Yssaril | a = {}; a[1] = a |
| 23:26.48 | Mirrormn | I dunno it's it's hundreds and hundreds of hours |
| 23:26.54 | Mirrormn | but maybe 100 hours total so far |
| 23:27.05 | Yssaril | which results in a[1][1][1][1][1][1][1][1][1][1][1][1][1][1][1][1][1][1][1] == a :P |
| 23:27.05 | Zasurus | Yssaril: No just make a value another addon stored equal to Nx. |
| 23:27.11 | Maldivia | a = {} a[a] = a; -- is more fun :P |
| 23:27.16 | Zasurus | lol |
| 23:27.33 | Yssaril | Maldivia: lol |
| 23:27.35 | Zasurus | Maybe they do it to make storing it hard! |
| 23:27.41 | Mirrormn | too bad it's invalid because you missed a semi-colon! |
| 23:27.43 | Mirrormn | bwaaaaah |
| 23:27.54 | Maldivia | semi colon is optional |
| 23:28.03 | Mirrormn | not on the same line... |
| 23:28.07 | Maldivia | yes it is |
| 23:28.12 | Mirrormn | -.- h8 lua |
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| 23:28.23 | Maldivia | lua> a={} print(a) |
| 23:28.23 | lua_bot | Maldivia: table: 0x9a45720 |
| 23:28.52 | ckknight | semicolons aren't required in lua, Mirrormn |
| 23:29.05 | ckknight | only in certain weird cases |
| 23:29.12 | Maldivia | Mirrormn: you've obviously never looked at lines of code trying to get squized into macro size bites? |
| 23:29.15 | ckknight | like a()(x)() vs a();(x)() |
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| 23:29.50 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 23:30.07 | Adys | ckknight, how's it required? |
| 23:30.13 | Adys | a() (x)() wouldnt work? |
| 23:30.17 | Yssaril | Zasurus: did you write your own dump to file script? |
| 23:30.21 | ckknight | no, that will do repeated calls, Adys |
| 23:30.26 | Zasurus | no |
| 23:30.27 | Adys | oh yeah |
| 23:30.28 | Adys | nm |
| 23:30.38 | Adys | but er |
| 23:30.38 | ckknight | same as ((a())(x))() |
| 23:30.45 | Adys | why wouldnt a() x() not work? |
| 23:30.46 | Mirrormn | Maldivia: I have, but it sickens me! |
| 23:30.50 | ckknight | it would |
| 23:30.51 | Adys | omg |
| 23:30.52 | ckknight | that's fine |
| 23:30.56 | Adys | doublenegative attack |
| 23:30.59 | ckknight | I'm talking about a() (x)() |
| 23:31.02 | Maldivia | Mirrormn: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/138759 <-- example of a threat meter squezed into 6 macro blocks :P |
| 23:31.03 | ckknight | e.g. |
| 23:31.08 | ckknight | a() (function() end)() |
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| 23:31.10 | Adys | ckknight: but what would the difference be? |
| 23:31.16 | Adys | ah you mean x as in replaceme |
| 23:31.19 | ckknight | Adys: I already said. |
| 23:31.20 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: good heavens think back to before 2.4 ;| |
| 23:31.23 | Mrruben5 | Hey there |
| 23:31.27 | Adys | ckknight: i thought you meant a variable x |
| 23:31.32 | Zasurus | Yssaril: What could I do better? |
| 23:31.34 | ckknight | yea, I did, Adys |
| 23:31.39 | ckknight | x = function() end |
| 23:31.43 | Adys | um |
| 23:31.48 | Adys | a() x() would work then :P |
| 23:31.48 | ckknight | a() (x)() => ((a())(x))() |
| 23:31.52 | ckknight | yes, it would |
| 23:31.52 | Adys | yes |
| 23:31.57 | Zasurus | Yssaril: I just guessed "StoredValue1 = Nx" would do it? |
| 23:31.59 | Adys | we're basically talking about the same thing |
| 23:32.02 | Adys | and agreeing to agree |
| 23:32.09 | ckknight | well, screw you, buddy! |
| 23:32.16 | ckknight | :P |
| 23:32.21 | Adys | I'm not your buddy, screw YOU |
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| 23:32.23 | sylvanaar | we miss you ckk, how ya been |
| 23:32.23 | taroven | Anyone know of a decent way to compare combatlog timestamps against GetTime()? |
| 23:32.41 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: well, it's actually works, a small simple graphical threat meter :P |
| 23:33.01 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: well, it requires McRun |
| 23:33.06 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: I'm aware, just saying - that wouldn't have been remotely possible before they gave us threat values ;) |
| 23:33.09 | ckknight | sylvanaar: busy |
| 23:33.13 | ckknight | been architecting ;-) |
| 23:33.26 | ckknight | I'm developing a cross-server asynchronous Job system now |
| 23:33.32 | sylvanaar | sounds fancy |
| 23:33.35 | Mrruben5 | Question: If an AddOn has a table where it inserts statusbars, where the keys are GUID's and the values the frame objects, is it possible to 'skin' the frame, with some metatable trick or anything else? |
| 23:33.43 | ckknight | yea, it is |
| 23:33.54 | Mrruben5 | __newindex? |
| 23:33.54 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: true, the above code is based on the simple addon I made to play with it, and then I just condensed it to play with McRun for cata, when we still had /run :P |
| 23:34.07 | sylvanaar | what lang? |
| 23:34.14 | Mrruben5 | That runs when a table key is updated or when a value is inserted right? |
| 23:34.31 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: yeah, I figured. you all have way too much beta access for my liking ;p |
| 23:34.42 | ckknight | sylvanaar: C# |
| 23:34.47 | sylvanaar | thats sexy |
| 23:34.50 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: well, it works on live as well with McRu :p |
| 23:35.01 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: obviously, but that's not the point. :P |
| 23:35.01 | ckknight | sylvanaar: it's DB-backed for our website framework |
| 23:35.42 | ckknight | sylvanaar: the idea is say a user logs in, the Alpha web server triggers JobEventType.UserLogin, 12345 |
| 23:35.55 | ckknight | and checks for any jobs that are looking for UserLogin |
| 23:36.02 | ckknight | and runs through them, triggering each one |
| 23:36.04 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: well, I can tell you, it was a hell to debug the condensed code, when I found I had made an error somewhere :P |
| 23:36.05 | ckknight | also, there's time-based triggers |
| 23:36.12 | ckknight | and any job can have 1 or more triggers |
| 23:36.12 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: haha |
| 23:36.39 | sylvanaar | sounds great |
| 23:36.45 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: should have scripted both condensing and inflating the code or something ^^ |
| 23:37.01 | ckknight | yea, it'll be handy for cleaning up stuff such as temporary attachments, turning soft deletes into hard deletes, etc. |
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| 23:37.59 | sylvanaar | sounds like its keeping you busy |
| 23:39.15 | ckknight | sylvanaar: I just started an hour ago |
| 23:39.17 | ckknight | :P |
| 23:39.33 | sylvanaar | ha! |
| 23:39.46 | netcurse | slaps sylvanaar around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:39.51 | netcurse | hi2u |
| 23:39.55 | sylvanaar | waves at netcurse |
| 23:39.59 | sylvanaar | hi hi |
| 23:40.55 | netcurse | how have you been |
| 23:41.05 | sylvanaar | not bad, yourself? |
| 23:42.00 | ckknight | o noes, netcurse is a spy from that evil Curse company that's monopolizing all the mmo champions! |
| 23:42.23 | sylvanaar | i saw techcrunch this morning yeah |
| 23:42.25 | netcurse | i should rename myself the emperor i guess... |
| 23:42.37 | Gnarfoz | ckknight: www.sadtrombone.com |
| 23:43.03 | ckknight | yep |
| 23:43.07 | ckknight | curse is an empire now, apparently |
| 23:43.12 | ckknight | random commenters say so, it must be true |
| 23:43.17 | Dashkal | netcurse: I see your world domination is coming along nicely! |
| 23:43.26 | Adys | I |
| 23:43.26 | Adys | AM |
| 23:43.30 | Adys | A MMO CHAMPION |
| 23:43.30 | Adys | !!!!! |
| 23:43.49 | Adys | Hey ckknight! |
| 23:43.54 | Adys | Can I have a curse hostmask? :3 |
| 23:44.01 | ckknight | um |
| 23:44.08 | ckknight | Kaelten would know better than I |
| 23:44.25 | Adys | WoWIFA? what's that? |
| 23:44.30 | Adys | read WoWMAFIA |
| 23:44.37 | netcurse | Dashkal, i think it was a great move for everyone and i can't wait to see mmo-c in a few months :) |
| 23:44.53 | netcurse | behind a paywall, with 15 ads per page etc. of course |
| 23:45.00 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 23:45.03 | Dashkal | Oh of course! |
| 23:45.11 | Dashkal | It worked for murdoch! |
| 23:45.13 | sylvanaar | i love the term paywall |
| 23:45.17 | Dashkal | or however you spell his name |
| 23:45.17 | netcurse | lol |
| 23:45.36 | Lunessa | because it is actually time for me to leave: http://verydemotivational.com/2010/07/06/demotivational-posters-screw-you-guys/ |
| 23:45.39 | Yssaril | at least mmo-c will have a better server team now :) |
| 23:45.40 | ajmitch | so we can get to pay per datamined image? sounds like a winner :) |
| 23:45.47 | Adys | Dashkal: like murder and doctor |
| 23:47.06 | ckknight | I think you've stumbled upon our internal documents, ajmitch |
| 23:47.11 | ckknight | :P |
| 23:47.36 | Gnarfoz | not as internal as you'd like to think ;D |
| 23:47.56 | Adys | I wish i was paid for every datamined image |
| 23:47.56 | Adys | :( |
| 23:48.00 | ajmitch | ckknight: I'll expect the black helicopters round at my place in a few minutes then |
| 23:48.17 | ckknight | yep, best to hand yourself over without any fuss |
| 23:48.27 | foxlit | The Plants versus Zombie "toss an imp" noise is almost exactly my irc ping :( |
| 23:50.02 | Adys | foxlit: catch! |
