IRC log for #wowuidev on 20100718

00:00.07Morkeshjackpot! :D all evening i've been looking for cheap gems, then out of nowhere comes a guy with 15 cardinal rubies and 13 majestic zircon
00:00.45nevcairielyou buy chinese gems? how cheap of you
00:02.13MirrormnI am le bored
00:03.20Morkeshi buy any gems :P this guy was legit though, proper english and no running to the inn to strip naked
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00:09.00NobgulIs the quest when you have to defend the ship in vash'jir bugged?
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00:10.34nevcairielit just takes a while longer sometimes
00:10.51durcyni was able to do every vashjir quest, only bug so far is firelord
00:10.59nevcairielindeed
00:11.15nevcairielstupid events always breaking
00:11.25nevcairielbattle for undercity was one of the broken ones too
00:11.43nevcairieldo the goblins have a city yet?
00:11.54nevcairielif so, where is it? :d
00:11.58durcynkezan's not finished
00:12.07durcynnone of the new cities are
00:12.11A-KOKezan is blown up
00:12.16A-KOthe new goblin town is in Azshara
00:14.37durcyni usually sleep through lore, where was that made known
00:19.43nevcairielhm, so, i cannot fly into the worgen start zone, its completly phased out?
00:19.58nevcairieli mean, apparently even the zone has a different name
00:32.40*** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Cataclysm Closed Beta Test Begins http://cot.ag/9v2zkv || Cataclysm Beta Keys for Authors! http://cot.ag/aG4uy6 or http://cot.ag/bYZvjt || Happy Birthday Wobin!
00:33.43*** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Cataclysm Closed Beta Test Begins http://cot.ag/9v2zkv || Cataclysm Beta Keys for Authors! http://cot.ag/aG4uy6 or http://cot.ag/bYZvjt || Happy Birthday Wobin & Grypho
00:33.50Cairenn|afkGryhon :p
00:34.08Cideyou have a double space right before || Happy Birthday...
00:34.14Cairenn|afkmeh
00:34.19Cide:>
00:34.35Cideyou're in a channel full of perfectionist programmers!
00:34.42Cairenn|afkbite me
00:34.50Cidebites Cairenn|afk
00:34.56Cairenn|afkI still have a migraine, I don't care :p
00:34.59Cairenn|afkpurrs
00:35.42*** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Cataclysm Closed Beta Test Begins http://cot.ag/9v2zkv || Cataclysm Beta Keys for Authors! http://cot.ag/aG4uy6 or http://cot.ag/bYZvjt || Happy Birthday Wobin & Gryphon
00:35.48Cairenn|afkhappy? :p
00:35.55Cideyes!
00:35.56Cidethank you
00:36.00Cairenn|afkwelcome :)
00:36.10Cairenn|afkcrawls back to bed
00:38.14MaldiviaCide, you forgot to mention the double space after "Authors!" :P
00:38.44CideI'm a perfectionist, not a perfectionista.
00:39.23Maldivia*cough* OCD *cough*
00:39.33CideCDO?
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00:43.11JamashOCPD
00:43.35JamashIt's OCD-lite
00:44.14Morkeshhappy birthday Wobin & Gryphon :D hope you have a nice day both of you
00:45.23nevcairielon the topic of the goblin city, kezan does exist somewhere, since thats your starting zone
00:45.32Jamashdoes -> did
00:45.48nevcairielstill does
00:45.51JamashYou know Mike on MST3K?
00:45.51nevcairieli just spawned there
00:45.59Jamashand his habit of destroying planets?
00:46.13JamashGoblin PCs are like that except with islands.
00:46.49nevcairielit looks quite awesome from the outside
00:47.35JamashKezan is a lot of fun
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00:50.56nevcairielit looks like one of those post-apocalyptical industrial societys
00:51.53Jamashyeah
00:56.46YssarilAnyone been able to make it past "The Battle for Gilneas City" quest (worgen around level11)
00:57.17nevcairielI heard it was bugged
00:57.21DashkalYssaril It's pretty fubar, but I did it.
00:57.26DashkalJust stick to the prince like glue
00:57.34Jamashit are bugged
00:57.43Jamashyou cannot has quest completion
00:57.53Jamashhe just stands around
01:01.38MaldiviaI've never had any issued with that quest, and done it 3 times now
01:03.06Maldiviathe most common problem people had when I levelled worgens was that there hadn't talked to the npc that "ported" them into battle :P
01:04.18Cideanyone know if pre-downloading sc2 will work for non-digital purchases?
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04:10.36DesertDwarfCloudwolf, right after you dc'd, Cairenn asked who the guild leader is for the Horde EU guild Garbage Collectors.
04:10.56IrielGratuitous kitty shot: http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/TwigLook_1680.jpg
04:11.07Ressyaww
04:11.15DesertDwarfIn the meantime, she said she at least put up the guild name and they can /who garbage.
04:12.14Mirrormnif you're going to put up the horde eu guild, you might as well put up the other 3 also
04:13.01DesertDwarfMirrormn, looks like they already are (and have been).
04:13.58MirrormnOH
04:14.03Mirrormn*oh
04:17.31KrapsYou can use dual-specialization for a different specialization in beta, if you choose, much as you can today. We are going to lower the level at which you can use dual-specialization, as well as the cost for purchasing it, because we recognize that using Dungeon Finder while leveling is likely to be popular.
04:19.43KrapsIncidentally, the new tiers are called Prime, Major, and Minor. Majors are the new Mediums. Glyph of Mutilate would be a Prime.
04:21.57CloudwolfCarrian i don't remember it may have been fisker
04:26.13Cloudwolfping fisker
04:26.31Mirrormnping-a ding ding
04:26.46Cloudwolfding dong ping pong
04:27.09Mirrormnscrew it, i'ma just go to bed
04:27.27Mirrormnmaybe I will sleep 20 hours until tomorrow night's raid
04:27.37Kraps"The only new glyph we are ready to announce right now is the Glyph of Divine Shield, which reduces the cast time of your Hearthstone whenever Divine Shield is active." lololololo
04:28.12DesertDwarflol (and my main is a pally)
04:30.58Cloudwolfi should start wow up and check out my fps on here
04:32.30Krapswhoa pallies get a new resource
04:33.42DesertDwarfYeah, I saw that. Holy-something.
04:34.04KrapsHoly Power
04:34.58DesertDwarfBut they still have mana, because one of the new holy power abilities makes what's normally a mana-using ability a mana-freebie (only a single heal spell, IIRC().
04:35.48Krapsbunch of other stuff too actually
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04:36.15DesertDwarfWhat I meant is, it shows they aren't eliminating mana as the main resource. Holy Power will be a secondary resource.
04:36.25Krapsyes
04:39.33Cloudwolfi demand 2nd resources for all!
04:41.10Shirik__tackles Seerah
04:41.22Seerahtickles Shirik__
04:41.40Shirik__so this is sad
04:41.48Shirik__my laptop is fairly average, not too powerful, not that bad
04:41.53Cloudwolfrogues get rogue power its like energy but instead the more poison damage you do the more it gains and it causes poisons to do more dmg! lol arn't i creative.;...
04:42.03Shirik__I can squeeze about 2-2.5 hours battery life out of it with the right power settings
04:42.09Shirik__My work laptop is a beast
04:42.32KrapsShirik__: your __ makes you bad
04:42.32Shirik__I honestly think it can actually compute the meaning of life, the universe, and everything
04:42.35Shirik__but
04:42.41Shirik__the battery life
04:42.44Shirik__is like 5 hours
04:42.56Shirik__without even trying to conserve power
04:43.00SeerahShirik__: I'll help you with that - 42
04:43.19Cloudwolfdoes it have a larger battery?
04:43.29Shirik__I'd say they're about the same size
04:43.31Shirik__physically
04:43.32DesertDwarfdivided by 10, you get 4.2 and that's close to Shirik__'s battery life.
04:43.35Shirik__what's inside them I hae no idea
04:43.43CloudwolfI wonder how much of a smart idea it is to give paladins a 2nd resource
04:44.12DesertDwarfCloudwolf: They said they did it to help mix up the rotations a bit. (They seem to want to do that to a lot of classes.)
04:44.29CloudwolfLike i said 2nd resource bars for all!
04:44.30Cloudwolflol
04:44.43Cloudwolfshamans get lightning powah nah jk
04:45.43Cloudwolfi liked some ones idea to rename holy power to zeal
04:45.52Cloudwolfand then i went sounds like a diablo 2 paladin lol
04:46.15DesertDwarfThen we can rename things. Zeal Shield, for example.
04:46.22DesertDwarfErr...maybe not.
04:47.41CideShirik__, well, for a $15k laptop or whatever it was I sure hope it has battery life
04:47.48CloudwolfPaladins were now like DK's just not dead
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04:48.32CloudwolfI never enjoyed playing a paladin
04:48.41Shirik__honestly, Cide, I expected it to die in 5 minutes
04:48.46Cideyeah me too
04:49.02CloudwolfCide who was that towards i assume shirik becuase you adressed him first
04:49.03Cidebut I'm glad to see they've made advances in military technology that will trickle down into consumer laptops in the next few years
04:49.20Cloudwolfand i was right :D
04:49.25Cide...
04:49.29Cidemassive powers of deduction there
04:49.42Cideif I start a sentence with <name>, it usually means I'm adressing <name>
04:50.14KrapsCide: what?! ridiculous
04:50.21Cidei no rite
04:50.49CideShirik__, what're the steps to get the library to compile on linux?
04:50.51Cloudwolf"[21:48]<Cide>yeah me too" is what im refering to but ill just be quiet now
04:51.01Cidegood
04:51.06Shirik__Cide: Don't know yet
04:51.10Cideneed to manage to compile this crap before the 27th
04:51.25Cideor that's what I'm aiming for anyway
04:52.56KrapsQ: How is Heroic Leap working so far? Is it progressing better than your last attempt at putting it in-game? A. We’re pretty happy with it so far. The version we have right now lets the warrior target where they want to leap /snip
04:53.02KrapsWHAAAAAT
04:53.17Krapswasnt that the problem in the wrath beta?
04:53.23Cloudwolfsounds like trying to place death and decay gonna be annoying to use quickly
04:53.43Zynthat's exactly the problem that was in the WotLK beta :D
04:53.57Krapswtf Zyn :(
04:54.05Cidewell obviously they've made lots of improvements in their engine
04:54.07Zynjust missing "Knock on wood" in that sentence
04:54.13Cidebefore wrath you couldn't knock back mobs for instance
04:54.51DesertDwarfCurseForge help request: I'm following this "How To" (http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=250613&postcount=2) and on Step 4, it never asked for my password. Is that right?
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04:56.40TorhalDesertDwarf: If you can commit it is. Otherwise, you need to go to the next link
04:57.15DesertDwarfTorhal: Except I'm on curseforge and the next link is for wowace.
04:57.35TorhalThey're the same site, for the most part, so changing wowace to curseforge will work.
04:58.13TorhalWhen it comes to the repos, though, they are separate...but as far as site mapping goes they're identical.
05:01.12Shirik__btw
05:01.15Shirik__may I just say
05:01.22Shirik__stephen hawkings is a great man
05:01.25Shirik__and his book is awesome
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05:07.38Krapslol
05:09.39Zyndoes he write about how to do donuts with electric wheelchairs?
05:12.25Krapswhats a donut again?
05:13.06Zynburn your wheels around in circles
05:13.24Zynhttp://www.woodwardcreative.com/ho/donuts-4850.jpg
05:14.06Krapselectric wheelchairs are not powerful enough
05:14.20DesertDwarfhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=42430/dalaran-doughnut
05:14.56Seerahc'mon Kraps! you can do it! :)
05:15.02Kraps:p
05:15.12Seerahwe
05:15.24Seerahwe're going to hook you up with a little nitro booster :D
05:15.34Seerahthat'll get you out of the snow, too ;)
05:16.05Krapsafter they botched up a repair my chair goes slower than before :(
05:16.12Seerah:(
05:16.26Seerahwith a nitro booster, you can run them down...  >.>   <.<
05:16.37Krapslul
05:18.44Krapsi can still ram and hurt people pretty good >.>
05:25.46DesertDwarfYay. /me does happy dance. I got my first svn commit to work.
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05:33.40IrielSecond gratuitous kitty picture: http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/CarrotFlip_1680.jpg
05:39.15KrapsIriel: your kittys?
05:39.34IrielYes, the meddlesome twosome
05:46.29DesertDwarfAnybody have a suggestion on how I can post a picture of my JunkDrop addon? It's a command-line addon (right now) and it deletes one item from you inventory. I'm not creative enough to think of a way to take a picture of that. (JunkDrop deletes the cheapest grey item in your inventory, which saves me lots of time if I've forgotten to clean out my invy before a run.)
05:47.18IrielDesertDwarf: see what I did - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8510-FixCombatLog.html
05:47.33DesertDwarfHehe.
05:47.36DesertDwarfI like!
05:47.47IrielFeel free to use it
05:48.16DesertDwarfReminds me of those pages in formal documents and manuals: "This page intentionally left blank." To which my friends and I would always argue, "But it's not blank anymore!"
05:49.55Seerah"The door is ajar."  - No it's not - it's a door!
05:50.16DesertDwarfI just realized, my addon does output a report of each cheaper grey item it finds and which item it's deleting. Maybe I could just take a picture of that chat output and use that. I shoulda thunk of dat earlier.
05:55.00DagmarYep.  There's plenty of examples of near-useless pictures.  A screenshot of the text output is gonna be plenny.
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05:59.58TorhalDesertDwarf: So replacing wowace with curseforge did the trick?
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06:09.20DesertDwarfTorhal: Yes. It worked perfectly. One gotcha though. My username on CurseForge is DesertDwarf, but the SVN wanted it only lowercase.
06:11.26DesertDwarfI have to say, I am utterly amazed at how many different pages I had to read (all on curseforge and wowace) just to figure out the proper methods for getting setup with an addon project, then getting SVN working, and now I have to study the .pkgmeta file. This is without learning anything that has to do with writing an addon...I'm only talking about the "putting it out there and maintaining it". It's amazing how spread out it all is.
06:15.26DagmarTrust me it's a bigger pain in the butt if you don't know that stuff.
06:15.28Arrowmasterwell you didnt have to use svn
06:15.41Arrowmasteryou could have just uploaded zip files directly
06:17.10DesertDwarfI did that at first, but I wanted a version control system. I'm not complaining about doing it, I'm observing how many different places different pieces of information are located. It was a treasure hunt and I loved it! But I saw a number of complaints on the forums (historically) about how difficult it is to piece together the information. Being an addon author can be a game all its own! Hehe.
06:17.41DesertDwarfImage uploaded. Any comments? http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/junkdrop/
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06:26.22Dagmar1. Prolly a /jd alias wouldn't hurt.   2. Might be useful to add an optional/configurable check to just make it run whenever you pick up an item that leaves you with no inventory slots free
06:27.39Dagmar3. Optional check to auto-destroy any Tribbles it finds.  :)
06:27.45Dagmar(maybe good for the todo list)
06:27.57DesertDwarfOn #2, watch for the event that triggers when I loot and if empty slots is 0, do a junkdrop automatically? I wonder if I can detect looting prior to the loot actually occuring?
06:28.13DesertDwarfOoh. I like #3!
06:30.33DagmarYou can't as far as I know, but you can definitely detect when something was changed in the inventory, and then look to see if the bags are full
06:31.12DagmarYou'd probably wanna keep one space free, or make that configurable as well, since someone's going to have a problem with it one way or the other no matter how few/many slots are kept free or filled with pudding.
06:31.38sylvanaarKraps: hm
06:32.39DesertDwarfDagmar: Aha! I understand. After loot, check for free slots. If no free slots, run jd to drop 'x' number of cheap greys. The feature would be togglable and 'x' would be configurable. Cool idea. I like it!
06:36.26DagmarYeah, I hate to leave greys behind.  Mind, they don't make up much money beyond covering repair expenses for leveling, but there's that wolvar in Sholazar Basin I totally agree with... It's a cryin shame when people don't loot their kills so they can be skinned by someone else
06:37.01DesertDwarfMe too! I'm OCD about looting and grey items.
06:37.07DagmarStill waitin on that [Sauteed Wolfcar Chop] recipe
06:37.13Dagmarer Wolvar
06:37.21DesertDwarfThat's part of the reason for this addon.
06:38.30DesertDwarfOK, To Do list updated. Time to go to bed before the wife casts poly on me.
06:38.55DesertDwarfThanks, Dagmar.
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07:20.52airtonixFisker, when was the last time you took the garbage bin out?
07:21.11Xinhuandid Fisker get a beta key or something?
07:21.12airtonixI can imagine you're the type to leave cat litter there for weeks
07:21.19Xinhuanhe hasn't whined about it for 3 days
07:21.21Xinhuan:D
07:21.46airtonixmaybe he stopped playing wow
07:22.07airtonixit really is bad for his health
07:22.13airtonixhe needs a better hobby
07:22.22airtonixlike snorting cocaine
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07:36.24DesertDwarfOK, so Mrs. DesertDwarf decided we weren't really sleepy yet. :-)
07:36.51Corrodiasheadache?
07:37.04DesertDwarfNope. Happy.
07:37.10DesertDwarfToo happy to sleep.
07:37.15Corrodiasgood job
07:37.23DesertDwarfHehe.
07:39.42krkadoes worgen have a followup zone like goblins do with azshara?
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07:42.38mikmadunno
07:42.43mikmai'm at level 10 with my worgen
07:42.53mikma<3 Two Forms :D
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08:07.21nevcairielthe breadcrumbs to deepholme from stormwind ... where exactly are they? =P
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08:16.33Wobinkrka: no they don't
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08:16.53WobinI just got dumped into Darny
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08:27.50nevcairielWonder if they are supposed to get one
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08:38.09krkaazshara was a good fit due to proximity to orgrimmar and it's general emptiness, but i dont think there are many other zones like that
08:38.19krka*its
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09:01.50cbreakhaha.... rediculous
09:02.00cbreakseems SCII fails to start when I didn't reboot for a few weeks
09:02.04cbreakhow stupid is that?
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09:05.05zenzelezzthat's... interesting
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09:22.15Zynthe HDDs forgot about you
09:22.25Zynand the sudden reboot caught them by surprise
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11:25.02ReAnanyone around?
11:25.29zenzelezzslightly
11:25.37cbreakno one is ever in this channel
11:25.48cbreakdamn cataclysm beta! :)
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11:26.20ReAnanyone know a mod for finding frame names/info?
11:26.31ReAnthere used to be a good one that showed you whatever your mouse was over
11:26.57nevcairiel./framestack
11:27.00nevcairielits in the default ui now
11:27.20ReAnOMG SO NICE!
11:28.44ReAnnevcairiel, you're awesome, thanks
11:36.16Fiskerwhy is nevcairiel awesome?
11:37.59ReAnbecause he's a help ninja
11:38.03ReAnhe's never around
11:38.06ReAnthen when you need something
11:38.10ReAnhe magically appears
11:38.14ReAn(with the answer)
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12:01.04foxlitmeep, who ate wowi?
12:01.26zenzelezzom nom nom
12:01.29zenzelezzI mean, what?
12:01.43foxlitit 500s on every dynamic page
12:03.48ReAnworks for me
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12:11.28ElunaNooooo, wowi is down! :(
12:12.27ReAnworks for me
12:12.43ReAnok wait
12:12.47ReAnno works still
12:12.48Eluna500 error :P
12:12.56ReAnnot here
12:13.01ReAnjust slow as hell
12:13.05ElunaOoo, now it works. :P
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12:36.13airtonixzenzelezz, monmonmon
12:36.36zenzelezzwhy you be trollin', mon?
12:37.03ReAnTrolls be 'sweet mon!
12:37.12airtonixmonmonmon = reverse nomnomnom
12:37.25ReAnlawl
12:39.47ReAnwoot
12:39.58ReAni love it when things just work right the first time!
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13:27.07Wobinairtonix: http://clunkline.com/images/Tzmtl/monmonmon4653.jpg
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13:44.50airtonix!
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13:52.33Eluna"Info/Plug-in Bars (sub-categories) (4294967295)" that's a lot of addons.. :P
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14:00.49airtonixis xpm the only way i can embed a small icon in a python script ?
14:01.04airtonixfrom 244 bytes to 32kbytes
14:01.06airtonix:(
14:02.20Krapswonders if they'll allow "Kraps" as a bnet name
14:03.32mikmawhat's up, duck?
14:09.42Maldiviaairtonix: draw it using code?
14:10.24Maldiviaor well, rather create it
14:10.54airtonixit starts out as a png
14:11.32airtonix$ convert ./icon.png ./icon.xpm
14:11.57airtonix$ ls ./*.xpm -oal
14:11.57airtonix-rw-r--r-- 1 airtonix 37480 2010-07-18 23:29 ./eve.xpm
14:12.11airtonixi tried doing it with base64
14:12.15airtonixbut it ends up larger
14:12.18airtonix46kb
14:12.54Maldiviahow big is the png file?
14:12.54airtonix244 bytes
14:12.54airtonixits crazy
14:13.06Maldiviathen base64 encoding it shouldn't increase the size that much :P
14:13.46airtonix$ ls ./*.base64 -oal
14:13.46airtonix-rw-r--r-- 1 airtonix 41098 2010-07-18 23:35 ./eve.base64
14:13.52Cideand why do you care about 46kb?
14:14.06Maldiviaairtonix: and that's the xpm encoded, right?
14:14.49airtonixnvm
14:14.53airtonixim a noob
14:15.00airtonixi was getting size of the .desktop file
14:15.02airtonix><
14:15.08airtonixpng is actually 26kb
14:15.18airtonixor 30kb rather
14:15.22airtonix$ ls ./*.png -oal
14:15.22airtonix-rw-r--r-- 1 airtonix 30423 2010-07-18 23:44 ./eve.png
14:15.51Maldiviawell, then it fits ok :P
14:17.24airtonixyeah i was thinking that surely there was a better way to get a embedded version of a 244byte file without blowing it out up to 30kb odd
14:18.48mikmaanyone from eu beta ally online?
14:20.16ScytheBlade1YEAH OFFICE
14:20.23ScytheBlade180 MACHINES FAILED TO UPGRADE OFFICE
14:20.27ScytheBlade1I GET TO FIX 80 MACHINES, YEAH
14:20.33ScytheBlade1</tears>
14:20.54airtonixthree cheers for microsoft
14:21.26airtonix<3 clusterssh
14:21.37JamashFMERK
14:21.46Jamashthis my favorite new word of today
14:21.49mikmaHAHAHA! "Are you into.. furries?" tekkub's gonna love that one
14:22.16CideScytheBlade1, that's life around the office
14:24.06Maldiviamikma: notice that the emote change slightly, depending if you're in human or worgen form :P
14:24.15Maldiviamikma: or most of them
14:24.26Jamashyou mean the voice changes or the actual wording changes?
14:24.30ScytheBlade1Cide: I'll be doing this same thing on the weekends for the next _several months_
14:24.34MaldiviaJamash: both
14:24.36ScytheBlade1:'(
14:24.37Jamashawesome
14:24.42WobinI thought the wording stayed pretty much the same
14:24.48Cideouch
14:25.18WobinScytheBlade1: surely there's an automation program that you can macro the installation to or something? =\
14:26.11MaldiviaWobin: well, for instance the "Come closer, I don't bite... often" emote, when in worgen form adds something like "... rarely... actually, you might want to stay away"
14:26.41ScytheBlade1Wobin: this is me fixing the automation that broke for reasons X, Y, or Z
14:26.59Wobinorsome
14:27.24ScytheBlade1What we do to install applications, is add their machine account to a group
14:27.30ScytheBlade1Midnight comes around, apps install
14:27.51Cidebut this time.. midnight didn't come around....
14:27.55ScytheBlade1It did
14:28.00Cideaww
14:28.02ScytheBlade1And people were logged in, or X or Y or Z
14:28.09ScytheBlade1Which means that these upgrades _failed_
14:28.10ScytheBlade1:/
14:28.17ScytheBlade1So it isn't just getting office installed
14:28.24Cideso can't you just reflag them
14:28.24ScytheBlade1It is figuring out why it didn't, and then fixing it
14:28.40Cideor is it not because people were logged in and it simply abortd
14:28.50ScytheBlade1It is a mix of everything
14:29.55WobinI'd really like to meet the voice actor for the worgen =)
14:30.19Cidenot if you want to live
14:30.33ScytheBlade1Cide: the other awesome part, is that some of these machines are in another continent, and may be powered off
14:30.36ScytheBlade1So
14:30.39ScytheBlade1Yeah
14:30.40Cidehaha
14:30.44Cidewhy did you get to do it all?
14:30.54ScytheBlade1It's part of my job!
14:30.59ScytheBlade1(Me and one other guy are doing these)
14:35.46Wobinwot, no goblin intro?
14:36.36Fiskerslaps Cide around a bit with a large trout
14:36.37Fiskerslaps ScytheBlade1 around a bit with a large trout
14:36.37Fiskerslaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout
14:39.11zenzelezzthere was one, but the goblins blew it up
14:39.28ScytheBlade1"Fisker: The Karma is Coming! The Karma is Coming!"
14:39.32ScytheBlade1http://digg.com/page2
14:39.38ScytheBlade1WHY ARE YOU ON DIGG, FISKER?
14:43.02Ciderlf.
14:43.04Ciderofl.*
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14:44.23Fiskerwhy are you ScytheBlade1 ?
14:44.24Fiskerhttp://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/jackalope/2010/07/dicks_throughout_art_history.php
14:51.41mikmaanyone from eu beta ally online?
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14:52.43nevcairieli am, but not with a char in the guild atm
14:55.25mikmasame ;)
14:55.45mikmanevcairiel: if you do get in, invite mikmawolf in guild
14:56.40mikma"Endgame" quest kept crashing my game
14:57.24mikmahehehe
14:57.38mikma<The final quests in this series are under construction>
14:57.57mikma<In the meantime, completing this will teleport you to Rut'theran Village.>
14:58.22Fiskerhttp://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/archive/00565/n_genmand1_565743m.jpg <-sup
14:58.44Fiskermikma didn't i already tell you to lower view distance?
14:58.47Fiskeror was that someone else? :o
14:59.24mikmayou didn't tell it to me :) but after 2 crashes i was able to login and the char was at the correct spot, quest completed
14:59.55mikmaoh, and dying while in the zeppelin = BAAAAAD
15:00.10mikmai don't know how are we gonna retrieve our corpses from the moving ship
15:00.19FiskerI think the Worgen area is kind of lame
15:00.25FiskerIt's way cooler and easier than the goblin side
15:00.37A-KOthe goblins are awesome
15:00.40A-KOexcept the first part
15:00.46A-KOonce you get out of Kezan, the goblin side becomes much cooler
15:01.04FiskerWorgen feels like an extended dynamic cutscene
15:01.18FiskerGoblin feels like a more traditional start zone
15:01.20Fiskeratleast until Kezan
15:01.28Fiskerstopped playing just after i escaped
15:01.53FiskerIt sucks to be a worgen druid though
15:02.09FiskerYou can't get back to Gilneas, you're ported to teldrassil and the NE druids don't want to teach you
15:02.16Fiskerso you have to travel to Stormwind and find the druid there
15:02.38Kraps[11:00:21]<Fisker>I think the Worgen area is kind of lame
15:02.40Kraps[11:00:25]<Fisker>It's way cooler and easier than the goblin side
15:03.22KrapsThe statement below is false
15:03.24KrapsThe statement above is true
15:04.43FiskerKraps
15:04.45Fiskeri'm a horde
15:04.48Fiskerwhich is why i think it's lame
15:04.53Fiskerbecause it's easier and cooler
15:05.09Krapsthats the second thought that came to mind
15:05.27Krapsthats why alli4lyf
15:05.40mikmawhere in the hell is this goblin startarea anyway
15:06.32nevcairielits not on the known map right now
15:06.36nevcairielstill in the air
15:06.42mikma"Don't tase me, mon!"
15:07.04nevcairieli think i heard someone say that at the end of it, you blow it up
15:07.12nevcairieland rescue yourself to azshara
15:07.29Fiskerlore-wise it should be near the maelstrom
15:07.33smcna recurring theme to be sure
15:07.47mikmaya, need to test that later
15:07.56smcni just exploded a volcano with rockets on my goblin
15:08.51SlackwiseHah, I've actually ported one of my Ruby utility scripts to Lua--and I think it's more readable.
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15:29.45fiphi&1]
15:29.52fiphiEh, bless you.
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15:42.33sylvanaarlua> print(1)
15:42.33lua_botsylvanaar: 1
15:42.40sylvanaarlua> print(#"123")
15:42.41lua_botsylvanaar: 3
15:43.47sylvanaarwho knew you could do that
15:43.54sylvanaarand never told me... =(
15:44.19sylvanaarlua> print(("123"):len())
15:44.19lua_botsylvanaar: 3
15:53.17mikmaso, what's the Wolf Riding alliance can learn?
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15:58.18nevcairieli saw that too, no idea what its for
15:58.28mikmawhere are the teleporters for the new zones etc
15:58.33mikmaso i can continue 80 ->
15:59.44Fiskerwolf riding = worgen mount lols
16:00.05Fiskeri wish they added plainsrunning back
16:00.11Fiskerboth worgen and taurens seems like valid races
16:03.25nevcairielmikma: teleporters? anyway, i got a quest in moonglade that send me to hyjal
16:04.17nevcairielbut on a dragon
16:04.47Fiskerholy shit a dragon
16:04.56Fiskerbtw
16:05.05Fiskeri find the new system kinda silly for new players
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16:05.16FiskerThey should delay the spec part until level 15 or 20 or something
16:05.25Fiskeror put instances at level 10 maybe
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16:11.15iSylvirIs it possible to make an addon type something in chat?
16:11.28frontendloader!api SendChatMessage
16:11.28lua_botSendChatMessage: Sends a chat message (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage)
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16:11.34iSylvirDanke.
16:11.44Fiskerhey frontendloader
16:11.57frontendloaderhi
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16:15.41iSylvirI might be slightly retarded. In order to cause that SendChatMessage function to actually...do something,,,,, do I follow it with <Space>"Enter Chat message here."
16:18.40mikmaWhale Shark's melee swing hits Mikma for 43561 Physical.(Crushing) (213664 Overkill)
16:18.58iSylviryou broke it?
16:19.04iSylvirAnyone wanna' answer me?
16:19.20iSylvirSlashCmdList.DALARAN = SendChatMessage          Does that make sense?
16:23.08iSylvir-.-
16:23.13Cideno
16:23.32mikmayeah, it doesn't make any sense
16:23.42iSylvir.-.
16:23.48iSylvirI'm terrible at even TRYING to code.
16:24.16mikmawhat are you trying to do anyway
16:24.27iSylvirDead serious, I'm trying to make a semi-original addon to get a beta key. I've always WANTED to make one, but I'm too slow/inexperienced in coding to actually succede.
16:24.33iSylvirsuceed?
16:24.38A-KOhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2DxyAGzGxM
16:24.40A-KOhaha
16:24.58Wobinsucceed
16:25.03iSylvirhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ekLO8BwxwE is worth watching
16:25.12mikmasucks it
16:25.22mikmai think that the beta crashed
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16:26.42iSylvirhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ekLO8BwxwE              is the most epic WoW machinima ever. I can watch it so many times and laugh incredibly loudly each time
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16:27.27iSylvirWho's not the warlock who's the- I'll break your arm if you say WHOS THE TANK! WHATS THE NAME OF THE WARLOCK?! What's the mage? I don't know. Oh he's the p- PRIEST PRIEST PRIEST!
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16:28.18fiphilool
16:29.11Wobinit's ... I dunno
16:29.18WobinIt's spoken waaay too fast
16:29.41RessyBeta's fine.
16:29.47RessyWhat server you on?
16:31.08TorhaliSylvir: Get a beta key from where? On WoWI you have to have had an AddOn before the announcement. On CurseForge/Curse/WoWAce your AddOn must meet a certain level of "popularity".
16:32.29Cairennas we said in the post, exceptions can and will be made
16:34.09TorhalAh, forgot about that part.
16:34.11Fiskertranslates Hello World into danish
16:34.14TorhalHalf asleep still :(
16:34.16Fisker*puppy eyes*
16:35.06Cairennno worries Torhal :)
16:35.16nevcairielTorhal: we should've gone with the same rule, it sounds much easier then screening every addon now
16:35.26nevcairielbefore the announcement, i mean
16:35.48Fisker3 months, not a similar addon to one that exists
16:35.51Fiskerproblem solved
16:36.11A-KOhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX01Lna0OI8
16:36.35CairennI did very deliberately link our update to you guys, and to Kaelten directly, so you could decide what you wanted to do (and be forewarned about our decision)
16:36.39Torhalnevcairiel: We killed a lot of the influx, though, going the "popularity" route.
16:36.53Cairennas have we, thank god
16:37.14Cairennespecially since I've been down and out with a migraine for the last 3 days and dolby spent yesterday in the hospital
16:37.32TorhalCairenn: Ick. And here I'd thought you'd gone on vacation.
16:37.57Fiskeranything wrong?
16:38.00CairennI would have felt awful for Seerah, Shirik, Shadowed etc if they'd had to deal with all of this crap without the rule having been in place
16:38.08Cairennthat's his choice to say
16:38.10FiskerShirik is lazy
16:38.35Fiskeri believe in mandatory Real ID Cairenn
16:38.35Fisker:P
16:38.47Fiskerunless you happen to look over my post history
16:39.38Wobinis Dolby alright?
16:39.45Cairennyes
16:39.46Fiskerhis choice!
16:39.47Fisker:P
16:40.37Cairennhe's okay - if he wants to get into detail of what's wrong though, that's up to him
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16:42.34iSylvirhttp://pastebin.com/4FWjyrEY
16:42.37Mrruben5http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=198025&postcount=183
16:42.40Mrruben5So true...
16:42.59iSylvirAnyone with a few minutes wanna query me?
16:43.08iSylvirScratch that.
16:43.28Adyshttp://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/814933396
16:48.55Fiskerbesides
16:49.03Fiskerwho wants the damn author keys anyway
16:49.12FiskerBlizzard employees are already selling out
16:51.17Adyshttp://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/100715.html
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16:56.27AdysCide: ping
16:56.44AdysCide: what kind of microsd card is needed for the desire? the one i had didn't fit
16:58.29nevcairielusually all those phones understand standard sd cards (or sdhc)
16:58.52Adysdunno
16:58.57Adysi had a sandisk one and it didnt fit
16:59.09Adysso unless theres a trick to how to install it
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17:08.49Cideadys: pong
17:09.09Cidewell there's already like a 2gb in it
17:09.19Cideare you going to upgrade right away?
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17:10.46nevcairielonly 2? my droid came with 8, and i upgraded to 16 first hing
17:10.47nevcairiel+t
17:11.05Fiskeromg not 32GB?
17:11.19nevcairieltoo expensive
17:12.24Fiskeri'm wondering if they couldn't in reality pretty easily add normal SD cards
17:12.42CideI think it's 2 anyway
17:12.45Cidehaven't checked
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17:27.37cbreakapple and nvidia suck at making drivers...
17:27.56cbreakor maybe, they suck at improving drivers. because the newer ones seem worse than the old ones
17:28.51FiskerMac.
17:32.56cbreaktoday I've seen quite a few anoying bugs
17:33.12cbreaksc2 has key bindings that can't be changed but _overlap_
17:33.26cbreakand it doesn't run if you haven't rebooted recently...
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17:40.17Xinhuandoes it only happen to you?
17:40.21Xinhuanabout the reboot recently part
17:50.16cbreakI don't think so
17:50.24cbreakI read on the blizzard forum that someone had that problem
17:50.35cbreakand someone else said "Did you not reboot for a long time? Try it!"
17:50.38cbreakso, I tried too
17:50.40cbreakand it worked
17:50.57cbreakbut it's really strange, why should starcraft fail to start properly just because I didn't reboot in a month?
17:51.24cbreakmaybe it does something braindead like using time-since-boot to initialize some random number generator into a too small buffer or something similar.
17:51.33Fiskerobviously!
17:53.20foxlitcbreak: pending updates
17:53.57cbreakpending updates? There aren't that many updates for Mac OS that require a reboot
17:54.04cbreakI didn't have any
17:54.33cbreakI am 95% sure the reboot thing is blizzard's fault
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18:02.20cbreakhmm... I never noticed, but writing to the start of a hard disk is much faster than to the end
18:05.00airtonixwho has experience with : FileChooserButton in GTK+
18:05.19cbreakuses Qt
18:05.24airtonixi can't seem to assign a file to the widget when i load my app up and read values from an ini file
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18:08.35airtonixarg
18:08.43airtonixi run widget.set_filename(value)
18:08.58airtonixit returns true, but the farking widget still remains at : None
18:10.29cbreakwhy do you use GTK over Qt?
18:10.34cbreaklegacy reasons? or do you like it more?
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18:10.51airtonixi dont know how to use qt
18:11.07airtonixand i've nearly completed this project
18:11.14cbreakwell, good luck :)
18:11.19band-aidWhat is the proper way to continuously monitor buffs?
18:11.21cbreakI have no clue about GTK
18:11.27cbreakband-aid: don't monitor, use events
18:11.29Cloudwolfband aid what do you want to dow ith it?
18:11.38Cloudwolftheres an event fired when you gaino r lose a buff
18:11.43cbreakevents will tell you when new appear or when old vanish
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18:11.59band-aidok
18:12.07Mrruben5or if you want to know about stacks you'll have to use CLEU
18:13.54cbreakCLEU?
18:14.01cbreakchat log?
18:14.11nevcairielcomabt log event unfiltered
18:14.22cbreakI hate to work with that waterfall
18:14.29cbreakalways makes me feel as if I am wasting resources
18:14.47foxlitOnUpdate your heart.
18:15.13cbreakspare me.
18:15.51band-aidOk, my goal is to monitor a specific list of buffs and take action when they are not present. So, in OnLoad I can go through the buffs using UnitAura and prepopulate the list and use events to handle changes afterwards. <----Does this approach make sense?
18:16.21NobgulKinda
18:16.35band-aidlol, ok what should I do differentl
18:16.36band-aidy
18:17.20Cloudwolf!api buff
18:17.20lua_botFound 9 possible results for 'buff': UnitDebuff, CancelUnitBuff, luaL_loadbuffer, luaL_prepbuffer, GameTooltip:SetUnitBuff, luaL_buffinit, UnitBuff, GameTooltip:SetUnitDebuff, luaL_Buffer
18:17.25Cloudwolferr hmm
18:17.26Cloudwolfdoe shtis have a list of events?
18:17.32Cloudwolf!event buff
18:17.37Cloudwolfaww k time to go look it up
18:17.50nevcairiel!api UNIT_AURA
18:17.50NobgulI am not sure in what direction your going. Do you mean ie:  Shaman nobgul does not have Earthliving Weapon ok so we update a frame with a button allowing the player to click the button and apply the buff?
18:17.50lua_botUNIT_AURA: Fires when a unit loses or gains a buff or debuff. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_AURA)
18:18.17band-aidNobgul: essentially
18:18.50NobgulGot ya.
18:19.09CloudwolfHeh i would make a list by hand but thats just me.
18:19.12Cloudwolfon a per class basis
18:19.45NobgulI agree. I would just list each buff for each class
18:20.04band-aidok, but what I am wondering
18:20.18band-aidis how to get the status of each buff that needs to be watched initially.
18:20.19band-aidlike
18:20.46cbreakUnitAura
18:20.50band-aidwhen the game first loads, how should I figure out which buffs are present
18:20.54Nobgul!api UnitAura
18:20.55lua_botUnitAura: Returns information about buffs/debuffs on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAura)
18:20.55cbreakyou can iterate over them
18:21.06band-aidalright
18:21.07cbreakbut don't do it on login, do it on entering world or something similar
18:21.09nevcairielYou can also query by name, if you have a short list of buffs
18:21.12NobgulI think onload is bad
18:21.23cbreakyeah
18:21.31Mirrormn|Sleepunits wouldn't be loaded on load
18:21.34cbreakOnLoad should only be used to set up the other events imho
18:21.44band-aidok that's the kind of stuff I was looking for
18:21.45Mirrormnyou'd get a bunch of Unknowns, most likely
18:21.46cbreaknothing will be loaded OnLoad
18:21.51cbreaknot even your saved variables :)
18:21.55band-aidok cool
18:22.11band-aidI've done stuff like this before with other games
18:22.21band-aidand have frozen the server
18:22.23band-aidand such
18:22.27band-aidso I wanted to avoid that
18:22.33band-aid(TF2 sourcemod)
18:22.42MirrormnI don't think there are any wow api calls that can crash the server
18:22.47band-aidright
18:22.47band-aidbut
18:22.54NobgulI guess the way i would do it would be to fist have the game identify what class your loading into to then have it load the proper file with the buff list for that class.
18:22.58band-aidI imagine you could cause some UI thread to hang forever
18:23.10Mirrormnyar, you can definitely freeze the game
18:23.21NobgulI think that ------>  if ( select(2, UnitClass("player")) == "DEATHKNIGHT" ) then
18:23.28NobgulSomething similar to that
18:23.33band-aidok, so
18:23.38cbreakexcessive use of select!
18:23.43Nobgul!!
18:23.52NobgulDont kill meeh
18:23.53band-aidwhich event would you guys recommend doing this in, if not onload
18:23.53cbreak(yes, using it once is excessive)
18:24.06cbreakOnLoad is not an event in the way we meant it
18:24.09MirrormnI always just do "local _, class = UnitClass(unit)"
18:24.14cbreakON_ENTERING_WORLD maybe
18:24.21cbreakso use OnEvent and filter for the one above
18:24.26cbreakregister it first
18:24.40cbreakMirrormn: apparently that's faster
18:24.43foxlit(the event name is wrong, of course)
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18:24.55Nobgul! Mirrormn: I will look into it. Seeing as i use a ton of select's
18:25.13foxlitAs for select, there's a time and a place.
18:26.03NobgulEh ill change it later not a big deal for what i am using it.
18:26.03cbreakyeah, PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD?
18:26.08cbreakI haven't written WoW addons in years
18:26.57Mirrormnwhat are we trying to figure out, the best time to check people for buffs on login?
18:27.11NobgulIt wouold have to be on a timer imo.
18:27.25foxlitAs someone who wrote a buff tracking addon, use OnUpdate
18:27.41Mirrormnjust keep checking until the unit is loaded?
18:27.52temlol "Ahem! Well... ah, ext week: 'Uldum.' Starting with the recent excavation of ULDUM_PYRAMID_SUBZONE by Brann Bronzebeard."
18:27.58temnext*
18:28.00cbreakdon't keep checking
18:28.05cbreakcheck once, then use events
18:28.29NobgulAs i asked him above. he wants to update a frame to allow the user to clicvk the frame to set the buff.
18:28.33Mirrormnbut there's no event for when other units are correctly loaded, I don't think
18:29.00cbreakif they are in your raid
18:29.05cbreakyou get buff events for them
18:29.14cbreakand RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE, or something similar
18:29.20cbreakat least if they are nearby
18:29.26band-aidso to correctly use these events I would essentially have OnEvent run through whatever I need just doing string comparison?
18:30.29Mirrormnthat is the preferred method, I think
18:30.35Nobgulif(event == "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD") then BuffCheck_Initialize();
18:30.50band-aidright
18:30.51band-aidok
18:30.57band-aidI'm gonna go hammer on it for a buit
18:30.59band-aidbit**
18:31.08Mirrormnyou could also make more than one frame and only register one event type per frame but I think the overhead for making frames is rather large
18:31.10NobgulHave fun
18:31.30NobgulYouc an still use your onload to call you player entering world if you wanted
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18:31.55Nobgulfunction BuffCheck_OnLoad()
18:31.56Nobgul<PROTECTED>
18:33.56airtonixcbreak, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/239108/
18:34.55cbreakshivers
18:35.00cbreakugly language :)
18:35.13Nobgullol
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18:41.30Nobgullol @ Devloper Chat on Twitter from yesterday..
18:41.32NobgulQ: New weapon type? A: Tauren get to dual wield gnomes-on-a-stick.
18:42.56Cairenngnomechucks!
18:42.57cbreakwhy do they do that on that twitter thing instead of IRC?
18:43.19Mirrormncause twitter is "The Thing"
18:43.26NobgulFor now.
18:43.39cbreakIRC would be so much cooler
18:43.45cbreakwith netsplits, trolls, and all that stuff
18:43.56Nobgullol.
18:44.13Mirrormntwitter seems to be like specifically designed to be the worst and most disorganized why you could ever implement text chat on the internet
18:44.20Mirrormn*way
18:44.36Mirrormnmaybe that's why people like it
18:44.59NobgulPeople only like it because all thier firends use it.
18:45.05Nobgulfriends*
18:45.41cbreakpeople should not have friends
18:45.47cbreakfriends clearly have a bad influence
18:47.13Kraps^
18:47.37NobgulWith friends like what who needs enemies.
18:47.46Fiskerthey need to be hip
18:48.04Fiskerwithout a social networking site such as twitter, facebook, etc. they wouldn't be able to keep our attention for a week
18:48.39FiskerThey also write in the post that "due to the character limit answers will be posted on the forums"
18:48.54Fiskerto which i reply "If only such a system existed that it allowed more than 140 characters"
18:48.54Fisker;3
18:49.03cbreakthey should take lessons from steve jobs
18:49.04NobgulMy family is constantly complaining that I do not check my facebook enough. Personally once a month is good enough for me. I mean if they really need me the telephone is right there.
18:49.07cbreakhe writes short answers
18:49.16cbreakQ: New Weapon type?
18:49.23cbreakA: just don't hold the old weapon that way!
18:49.28Nobgullol
18:49.44NobgulQ: ToL cosmetic glyph? A: No but there's a Divine Shield Glyph that reduces Hearthstone cast time while Divine Shield is active! ;)
18:49.49airtonixNobgul, and irc is right here
18:49.52Nobgul^^ that one made me lul a bit.
18:49.59Fiskernot looking forward to the next 2 hours of raid
18:50.06airtonixFisker, then logoff
18:50.17NobgulAlt-f4 FTW!
18:50.18Fiskeri can't
18:50.19airtonixcome and play eve with meeeee
18:50.21Fiskeri'm not a jerk
18:50.26airtonixi know
18:50.36airtonixyou're just addicted
18:50.40Fisker:D
18:50.41cbreakFisker: tell them "I am just here because you need me, but if you can replace me, do"
18:50.52Fiskerwe're doing LK HC
18:50.57NobgulEww
18:50.57cbreakoh!
18:51.00airtonixi KNEW IT'
18:51.01cbreakgood luck
18:51.05Fiskerand it seems like every time we do him there's like 20 people who have to learn about shadow trap
18:51.12airtonixlewl
18:51.18NobgulSay your mouse is broken and you cannot move.
18:51.21Fisker:D
18:52.04cbreakyou move with your mouse?
18:52.17NobgulDepends.
18:52.25NobgulBut mostly yes.
18:52.35cbreakright-left click steering?
18:52.39cbreakor right click to move?
18:52.44cbreakI don't like either...
18:52.50Nobgulleft right for forward movement
18:52.52cbreakdoes everything with keyboard
18:53.04cbreakthat way I can strafe fast
18:53.27NobgulDepends on the situation.
18:53.33Fiskeri just use the mouse to adjust movement direction
18:54.18cbreakOne of the few things I use the mouse for in a fight is decursing
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18:55.01MirrormnI can't condone this "LK HC" abbreviation
18:55.18Mirrormnit's "Hard mode" or "heroic", "hardcore" never comes into the equation
18:55.18cbreakLHC K?
18:55.25FiskerHeroiC
18:55.27Fiskernp
18:55.34MirrormnHeroiC? that's even worse
18:55.38FiskerNot really
18:55.50cbreakthen it's not LK but LG
18:55.56cbreakLichkinG
18:55.58Mirrormnsay HLK or LK HM
18:55.59FiskerSuch popular names as "Firefox" is abbreviated "Fx"
18:56.02MirrormnOR I'LL BLAST YA
18:56.11airtonixiby
18:56.22cbreakI abbreviate it FF
18:56.27Fiskerbecause you suck
18:56.29nevcairielHC for heroic has been used since tbc beta and heroics were added
18:56.32airtonixi just say : SLOWPIECE OF SHIT
18:56.48Fiskersame here airtonix
18:56.52FiskerOpera is "whining faggots"
18:56.53Fisker:3
18:57.00Mirrormnanyway
18:57.00airtonixlulz
18:57.09Mirrormndefiles are about 10 times harder than shadow traps
18:57.29Fiskerlooking forward to it
18:57.31airtonixbeing defiled means you're already trapped
18:57.41airtonixand like
18:57.48airtonixyou've alredy had drugs injected
18:57.57airtonixso it's pretty hard to ... oh wait
18:58.03cbreakdrugs injected?
18:58.12airtonixfiskers fault!
18:58.13MirrormnFisker: DOES YOUR RAID USE LKANNOUNCE??
18:58.14cbreakthat's it, I'll never do LK in that mode
18:58.26Fiskerwhy would we?
18:58.36airtonixbecause i stole his capslock
18:58.45Mirrormnoh, because it is wonderful
18:58.59airtonixis it like the monty python camelot song /
19:00.12Mirrormnis LKAnnounce? no
19:00.33airtonixthen you lied
19:01.35NobgulThats your out on the raid. You cannot go because your mouse is broken and you will stand in the defile.
19:05.14Nobgulthere is no slash command other then run or script to remove a debuff is there?
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19:08.04Mirrormn<PROTECTED>
19:08.22Mirrormnconfirmed working on beta!
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19:13.37Mirrormnhuh
19:13.43MirrormnI did 100 quests in deepholme
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19:18.30Jamashso here's a thing
19:18.36Jamashdo I play betas more or live more
19:18.50Mirrormnplay beta, and promote me in guild again
19:18.54Jamashmmk
19:19.03band-aidwhat is the best way to iterate through buffs?
19:19.04JamashI will on condition that you invite my alt
19:19.12Jamashs
19:19.18Cloudwolfuhm band aid im not sure theres a best way
19:19.26Mirrormnbrute force
19:19.28Mirrormnwheee
19:19.29Jamashyou start with the first one and see if it's present
19:19.32Cloudwolfpretty sure you just for x = 1 , blah
19:19.35Jamashthen check the second one
19:19.37Jamashetc
19:19.44Cloudwolfand stop it once it hits a nil
19:20.07band-aidand I would be incrementing the index parameter in the UnitAura() call?
19:20.17Cloudwolfband aid go download my addon ccs are crap on wowi and it iterates through debuffs
19:20.28Cloudwolfit should be atleast a decent amount of code to look through for an idea
19:21.02Jamashthe guildmaster is IN
19:21.14Jamashsend a tell to stirenjalav if you want invite or promote
19:22.36Cloudwolfwhich guild is that jamash (not inbeta just curious)
19:22.46Cloudwolfus/eu alliance/horde name?
19:22.55Jamashus horde pve
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19:23.11Jamash<Lewd On Demand>
19:24.20Jamashwhat's your character name Mirrormn?
19:24.34MirrormnMirrored
19:24.54NobgulIm in the guild to on nobgul. although im on my mage atm.
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19:28.08Jamashk, mirrored and nobgul are officers now
19:28.45NobgulThank you sir.
19:29.10Jamashoh god the tabard
19:29.13NobgulLOL
19:29.18JamashI designed it >.>
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19:29.23NobgulIs it pink?
19:29.27Jamashyes
19:29.30nevcairielthe pink bunny?
19:29.31NobgulNice!
19:29.37Jamashpink tabard with purple heart
19:29.39Nobgulwill look good on my resto druid
19:29.52Jamashtoo bad guild banks are broken too
19:30.07NobgulOnly gpromote gkick etc working via slash?
19:30.17Jamashyep
19:30.34NobgulOh well something to look forward to
19:31.16JamashI thought ammunition was going to turn into a non-consumable item
19:31.23Jamashlooks like it's just plain gone atm
19:31.27nevcairielits completly gone
19:31.32NobgulYea atm its gone.
19:31.42Yssarilsoul shards are stil in though :)
19:31.48NobgulI tried to play my hunter but he was all broken so i figured i would wait.
19:32.11Jamashwhat's broken?
19:32.26NobgulCouldn't get my pets out thier neither dead nor alive.
19:32.36nevcairielsince rogue was kinda boring, i'm planning to build a worgen hunter now
19:32.39Yssarilam still hoping that they don't just convert soulbags into regular bags but giv us some special ones that you can't get anymore after 4.0
19:32.52NobgulYou will get 1 bad converted
19:32.59Nobgulfrom what i herd to a bag no one else can get
19:33.54Yssarilnice (still use my core felcloth bag out of MC :)
19:36.05SatisfymeIs there any count on how many SendAddonMessage you can send in a loop before disconecting ?
19:36.17nevcairielyes
19:36.37YssarilSatisfyme: its based on how many bytes you send instead of messages (i think)
19:36.41nevcairielbut just use ChatThrottleLib and dont worry about it
19:36.49NobgulHrmm nice didint realize you get a spell for being in a guild fast track +5% exp from killing
19:37.23MaldiviaNobgul: you dont - you get it for being in a guild with a certain level, the higher the guild level, the more perks
19:37.34DesertDwarfI read two days ago there's a way to get a wowace repository to pull into wowinterface.com, but now I can't find the page. Anybody know where the link is?
19:38.02Satisfymeokay, is there any count on how often is the buffer reset ?
19:38.06Cidedon't use chatthrottlelib
19:38.09CideI hate that lib
19:38.15CairennDesertDwarf: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7633-WoWIModUploader.html
19:38.16Cidejust don't spam and you'll be fine
19:38.21NobgulMaldivia: Thank you. Can't wait for it to be done
19:38.52ShadowedThe issue isn't *you* Cide, it's all the addons
19:38.58MaldiviaNobgul: other perks include bonus to mounted speed, rep gain etc
19:39.02Shadowednot spamming does't work very well if other addons are
19:39.04Fiskerit's you Shadowed
19:39.06Cideit throttles way too much
19:39.09NobgulI had read abotu that on wowhead a while ago
19:39.13Fiskerit's awesome that they're bringing back cauldrons
19:39.21airtonixexplain!
19:39.42Fiskeri just hope guild reputation is account bound
19:39.52Satisfymeyeah vell if I have a raid with 40 people and then send a wisper to each of them, will it not overflow then ?
19:39.52Fiskerin TBC there were resistance cauldrons
19:39.56Fiskerthey'll bring this back
19:39.59Fiskerbut now they can also be flasks
19:40.00DesertDwarfCairenn, thank!
19:40.01NobgulDo they still plan on doing the guild talent trees?
19:40.07CairennDesertDwarf: welcome :)
19:40.11nevcairielNobgul: no
19:40.12Fiskerno Nobgul
19:40.17NobgulHello Cairenn.
19:40.22YssarilSatisfyme: why are you wispering all of them instead of using the raidaddon channel?
19:40.24Cairennhi Nobgul
19:40.24Thunder_Childno, it's passive now
19:40.25MaldiviaSatisfyme: why not just send to the raid-addon channel?
19:40.26nevcairielyou just level up with the guild and get the bonus
19:40.30NobgulGuild achivment's?
19:40.34airtonixFisker, fix my FileChooserButton !
19:40.50Jamashyeah repping up each alt with the guild would be stupid
19:40.56cbreakSatisfyme: I wrote an addon ages ago to whisper all people who targeted my sheep
19:40.59MaldiviaNobgul: guild talents are guild perks now, they auto-learn when guild levels up
19:41.07cbreakonce I got disconnected because of it...
19:41.17mikmahttp://mikma.eu/wow/cata
19:41.24*** join/#wowuidev Srosh_ (~Srosh@d134241.adsl.hansenet.de)
19:41.26mikmamy beta adventures at the moment
19:41.35fiphimikma: Did you fix the banana ringtune? :P
19:41.37fiphiI haven't had time to ask my friend.
19:41.44NobgulMaldivia, Thank you for the calarifcation. I haven't seen much on the topic in a while.
19:41.51cbreakmikma gains achievement: "NDA breaker"
19:41.56Fiskernaw cbreak
19:41.58JamashI like how some spells are abilities but some spells are spells
19:42.06mikmafiphi: na, havent got the skills
19:42.09NobgulStill all in all it seems that being in a guild will still be a bonus.
19:42.17Satisfymewell then forget the raid, if I have a list of 40 people then
19:42.18mikmacbreak: nda has been lifted ages ago
19:42.22cbreakI know...
19:42.22nevcairielJamash: casters have spells, melees have abilities :d
19:42.28cbreakthey forgot to remove the achievement though
19:42.30JamashDispersion is an ability though
19:42.47Jamashotoh shadowform is a spell
19:42.55temmikma, your Farclip is set so low it hurts
19:43.09temalso, your DK's gear makes me throw up in my mouth a little
19:43.25temt9 was such garbage :(
19:43.27Mirrormnyou gotta set farclip low for deepholme
19:43.29Maldiviatem: if you set farclip too high, the client crashes :P
19:43.38mikmatem: its some default the game has, next to ultra
19:43.39Mirrormnor you crash repeatedly
19:43.51temoh is that why I can't do anything in there?
19:43.54temMirrormn
19:43.56nevcairielMaldivia: only in like 2 zones
19:43.59temdo you play a mage?
19:44.01nevcairieldeepholme and gilneas
19:44.02mikmatem: yeah yeah, but i dont raid so the gear was good enough for me
19:44.03Mirrormnyeah
19:44.07temon dragonmaw
19:44.11Mirrormnmmhmm
19:44.13temsigh
19:44.16tem<- Dolo
19:44.20Maldivianevcairiel: true, deepholm, near the alliance ship, and you need it almost at the lowest
19:44.30Mirrormn<PROTECTED>
19:44.41Maldiviaatleast they hotfixed t he damn whiskey
19:44.43ReAnanyone know where the entrance to the lvl 80+ instance near Black Rock Mountain is?
19:45.06nevcairielReAn: the path to spire, take a turn right after the barricade
19:45.13Mirrormnlet's kill HLK tonight, k?
19:45.17Jamashhaha, you can give lowbies huge buffs
19:45.30MaldiviaReAn: enter th mountain, follow the circle left, about 100 degrees down, there's a pathway, enter it, right after you turn, there's some rubble on the floor and a pathway to the right, portal is there
19:45.32nevcairielJamash: yeah they didnt solve that problem yet with rank-less spells
19:45.52JamashI just gave a level 13 hunter 165 stamina
19:46.01NobgulI think they need to fix the talent tree's not saving first
19:46.03Maldiviait's only PW:F that works like that
19:46.20MaldiviaAI gives level appropiate +mana buff
19:46.23Jamashinteresting
19:46.26ReAnthx nev
19:46.33Jamashbeta is so much fun
19:46.42mikmai agree
19:46.43NobgulMaldivia: were you able to learn the dalaran brillance spell?
19:46.47nevcairieli cant play anything right now
19:46.48mikmathe quests are simply amazing
19:46.58mikmaheavy use of phasing <3
19:46.59nevcairieli'm 83 and dont want to waste the precious deepholme xp
19:47.02ReAnsee nevcairiel: you're an answer nina
19:47.04ReAnninja*
19:47.06MaldiviaNobgul: you can still learn them, and they give +int stil
19:47.12nevcairieland my worgen is stuck in the bugged gilneas event
19:47.21NobgulWhen i try to use the tome's it will not allow me.
19:47.22mikmabugged your ass
19:47.31mikmathe waittime is 10min~
19:47.39Fiskera
19:47.39Fiskerb
19:47.40Fiskerc
19:47.50nevcairieli sat there like 15!
19:47.56temMirrormn, dear god yes please
19:48.02Mirrormnnevcairiel: don't you think the next level cap bump will also come with another zone?
19:48.08mikmanevcairiel: battle for the gilneas, right?
19:48.13nevcairielyea
19:48.24MaldiviaJamash: think they are testing with PW:F, since it gives another buff, that actually shows the correct +stamina, instead of the incorrect tooltop that scales with player-level (and not caster level)
19:48.24Mirrormnmy philosophy is that if I don't do deepholme now, I'll be stuck doing it when another zone comes out
19:48.36mikmanevcairiel: wait wait and wait, until the npc's spawn at the bridge
19:49.04JamashBattle for gilneas was completely broken when I tried it
19:49.12NobgulWhat level is deepholme?
19:49.14Jamashno amount of waiting worked
19:49.18Mirrormn82+
19:49.20MaldiviaNobgul: 82+
19:49.24mikmawas completely working today when i cimpleted it after waiting for like 10mins
19:49.35Nobgulah another zone to play with =( i havent even gotten done with vashj'ir yet
19:49.45nevcairielmikma: it still looks the same like it did a few hours ago, sylvanas sits on her horse, so does greymane, and nothing is moving
19:49.53mikmai did leave a suggestion about a timer tho
19:50.22mikmanevcairiel: attack sylv and use rapier, lol
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19:50.38Jamashmmm, premades
19:50.47nevcairielalso the players are heavily insulting everyone thats attacking the npcs
19:50.53nevcairielfor what reason, i dont know
19:51.05NobgulDo you have to do all the vashj'ir quests to get the mount or just certain ones?
19:51.20Fiskeri'm on a horse nevcairiel
19:51.28mikmapale horse?
19:51.35nevcairielNobgul: just the main chain through kelp forest
19:51.42mikmafisker: look at my horse, my horse is amazing
19:51.49Mirrormnhas anyone finished Deepholme?
19:52.11Nobgulnevcairiel : thank you. i think i may almost be done
19:52.47temoh neat
19:52.50JamashI'm on a bird
19:52.51temmy heartstone has no cooldown
19:52.56temI'm on a horse.
19:53.11MaldiviaMirrormn: don't know about finished, got upper and middle piece, and then no more quests
19:53.14mikmatem: look at my horse, my horse is amazing
19:53.25temIs its name Invicible?
19:53.31temI probably don't care otherwise
19:53.34tem:P
19:53.38mikmagive it a lick
19:53.44CloudwolfThe horse is now diamonds?
19:53.46MirrormnMaldivia: for the last part of the upper piece, did you just solo the priestess boss?
19:53.46mikmammm, it tastes like raisins
19:54.13MaldiviaMirrormn: think so
19:54.24Mirrormnwhat class are yo?
19:54.36MaldiviaMirrormn: did it on my druid
19:54.41Mirrormnhrm
19:54.53Thunder_Childmikma: just like*
19:54.54Mirrormnit seemed inordinately difficult for a mage to solo
19:54.56mikmafisker: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Amazing+Horse/
19:54.59mikmatem: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Amazing+Horse/
19:55.09temyeah
19:55.15temI'm just not thinking about it
19:55.19MaldiviaMirrormn: just move
19:55.23temso I can keep Magical Trevor in my head instead
19:55.25mikmathunder_child: just like?
19:55.37CloudwolfLOL what
19:55.41Thunder_Childmikma: tastes just like raisins
19:55.50MaldiviaMirrormn: and have evocate glyphed :P
19:55.52Cloudwolfi just typed in my authenticator code but accidenatly added a + sign to the end of it and it still took it
19:56.00Mirrormnwell, I did, and I do
19:56.00mikmathunder_child: ain't it without the just?
19:56.02Mirrormnand I killed her
19:56.10Mirrormnit just seemed a lot harder than it should be
19:56.31MaldiviaCloudwolf: considering the authenticator code is limited to 6 or 8 chars, why wouldn't it just ignore any trailing chars?
19:56.47CloudwolfI dunno i was surprsied it hought i would have to retype it :D
19:57.00Cloudwolfugh mikma that song lol
19:57.16MirrormnI think maybe it's intended for her to not melee in between void zone casts
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19:57.39MaldiviaMirrormn: but must admit, on my mage I was having issues with the middle piece, the mobs over there were not very friendly towards mages (upper piece bugged, didn't get followup after hiding in the box)
19:57.43Thunder_Childnope mikma, it has 'just' in there
19:58.02Mirrormnwhich mobs are we talking about?
19:59.05mikmathunder_child: i demand video-replay
19:59.08MaldiviaMirrormn: well, a lot of the mobs at the dwafes camps
19:59.14Thunder_Childmikma: i just listened to it again
19:59.26Mirrormnhrm
19:59.33MirrormnI don't remember having a lot of trouble there
19:59.33MaldiviaMirrormn: the shadow priests for instance
19:59.38Mirrormnoh yeah, well
19:59.41Mirrormnthose guys suck
19:59.49Mirrormnbut you're supposed to kill them with the war golem pet
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20:00.19Maldiviawell, they aggro you the second you cast a spell
20:00.19mikmathunder_child: http://mikma.eu/nokia/Weebls_-_Amazing_Horse.mp3
20:00.32mikmathere's no just in there! damnit
20:00.59Thunder_Childmikma: http://www.elyricsworld.com/amazing_horse_lyrics_weebls_stuff.html
20:00.59fiphimikma: Haha, loving the Quagmire one.
20:01.15mikmafiphi: =D
20:01.26fiphiNyah!
20:01.44mikmaits awesome
20:01.46mikmaNyah!
20:01.49fiphiOooh, Sex and the city.
20:02.06mikmamovie and series versions =/
20:02.12mikmademanded by wife
20:02.13fiphiSeries is good.
20:02.18fiphiMovie... not so hot.
20:02.26fiphiOh, murloc!
20:02.37fiphiHaha, need it as SMS signal but don't know how to do custom sms signal on Desire...
20:02.40mikmashe uses the movie version in cellphone
20:02.40fiphiHave to Google!
20:03.16mikma<3 Hardknox - Fire like this
20:03.30mikmai had it some time, uuntil i replaced it with bananaphone
20:03.39Cloudwolfmikma lol http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Sexy+Robots/
20:05.07band-aidhow exactly does one register a slash command
20:05.17Cloudwolfband-aid did you lookit my addon?
20:05.21Cloudwolfit has as lash command int hre too :P
20:05.28band-aidwill do
20:05.37Cloudwolfi think its at the bottom
20:06.18Jamashthere's a slash command howto on the wiki
20:06.25Cloudwolfthat too :D
20:06.32Cloudwolfthat would prolly be easiest
20:06.44temHmm
20:06.55temThe new Tank flask looks underbudget
20:06.58tem(again, sigh)
20:07.09temit's 300 Stamina
20:07.12*** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~caleb@dsl4E5C01C1.pool.t-online.hu)
20:07.24Thunder_Child.....just because a game has 1/1000000000th of a piece of the game as strat does not make it a strat game.
20:07.25temthe other flasks are 300 Int, 300, Str and 300 Agi
20:07.36Jamashhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command
20:07.39Maldiviatem, probably a bug
20:07.48Cloudwolfband-aid http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command
20:07.55Jamashha I win
20:07.59Cloudwolfdarn you jamash
20:08.03temFlask of Stoneblood at 600hp was "probably a bug" until it went live
20:08.05Mirrormnseems like it should be 450 stam, huh
20:08.07Maldiviasince the +143 trinkers are around 220 in the stamina version
20:08.09fiphimikma: Oh, Oh Yeah!
20:08.14fiphimikma: lol, you got some awesome tunes. :D
20:09.04Mirrormndaily quests -.-
20:09.13Maldivia214 stamin, to be precise :P
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20:09.40mikmafiphi: i am glad you like them =) i've been modifying them when i have wanted a new ringtone
20:09.50fiphimikma: I took the murloc one as SMS. :D
20:10.13Maldiviatem: when you look at items like http://cata.wowhead.com/item=52352 and http://cata.wowhead.com/item=52353 - it's easy to see it's not finalized yet :P
20:10.23temnod
20:10.33temdon't mind my generic tank bitterness
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20:11.25mikmafiphi: wife demanded that one, too, and uses it =)
20:12.18fiphimikma: It's awesome. If you happen to fix some other WoW noises, I'd love to get a poke. :)
20:12.52mikmahttp://mikma.eu/nokia/Futurama-Woop_Woop.mp3
20:13.03mikmai've been using that one for like a year now
20:13.37CloudwolfLOL mikma
20:13.39Cloudwolfwin
20:13.42Cloudwolfflat out win
20:14.20Fiskeri am awesome
20:14.26FiskerFisker is awesome
20:14.29mikmaand a liar
20:14.55Fiskerno
20:15.24mikmaand again you lied
20:15.25Mirrormnthat's exactly what a liar would say
20:15.26Fiskeryou wound me
20:15.37Fiskera liar would say yes
20:16.01fiphimikma: I love the Zoidberg sound but that one was of poor quality. :/
20:16.02Mirrormnno he wouldn;t
20:16.04mikmathen he would not be lying
20:16.09Fiskerexactly
20:16.10Fiskermindfuck
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20:16.33mikmafiphi: i know =/ i should propably watch all the futuramas and rip a good one
20:16.41fiphimikma: Do it! I support you!
20:16.43fiphiGo, mikma, go!
20:17.26fiphiHahaha, love http://mikma.eu/misc/fut1.jpg
20:17.27fiphiSo true.
20:18.05mikmafiphi: http://mikma.eu/misc/fut2.jpg
20:18.10fiphiI know, just saw it. :)
20:18.15fiphiWorked also but not as wtf awesome.
20:18.16fiphi:p
20:18.47mikmahttp://mikma.eu/misc/simp1.jpg
20:19.08fiphiHaha.
20:19.19fiphiAlso worked but not as awesome. :D
20:19.32Nobgullol @ http://mikma.eu/misc/wow.png
20:20.09Fiskeri was there mikma
20:20.10mikmatem: http://mikma.eu/misc/warning.png
20:20.40FiskerNobgul i had Cataclysm installed before he did anyway
20:20.50mikmano, you didn't fisker
20:21.00Nobgullul
20:21.01mikmai had it installed nut i didn't play it =)
20:21.09fiphiI want to see that picture.
20:21.09fiphi:/
20:21.09temmikma, lol
20:21.10mikmawife did.. hehe
20:21.20fiphiIt's not theeere.
20:21.35Mirrormnit probably never existed and that screenshot is a hoax
20:21.40Nobgulheh
20:21.53fiphiNaaw.
20:22.32Cloudwolfill have it installed on monday i swaer oh wait im waiting on blizzard to send out more keys
20:22.33mikmahere... http://apina.biz/10060.tem   (replace tem with jpg)
20:22.38Cloudwolfscratchs that make that friday
20:23.11Nobgul0_o
20:23.26Cloudwolf*scratch that make that friday
20:23.34NobgulI am scarred for life now.
20:24.05Cloudwolfnobgul you want scarred for life 1) go look up the dude who got shanked in the head for cheating in css in china
20:24.13mikmaoh yeah, i should have tagged it nsft (not safe for tem)
20:24.13Nobgul0_o
20:24.15TrelaOH DAMN IT MIKMA!
20:24.22Cloudwolfand 2) turn on the news and hav ea gay rights parade going on and have a fat dude in a murman costume jump up and down and jiggle...
20:24.33Nobgulewww
20:24.44CloudwolfThose are scarred for life lol
20:24.50Fiskeroh yay
20:24.55Fiskerphase 2 LK with only one dead
20:25.04Jamashworld server is dowwnn
20:25.06Cidebad news everyone
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20:25.12CideFisker is gonna wipe
20:25.12Nobgulhttp://www.escapistmagazine.com/images/display/65648.jpg
20:25.13NobgulLOL
20:25.22Nobgulwow.
20:25.50mikmatrela: oh hell, blame yourself! i even fucked up the link so people wouldn't open it
20:25.58Fiskerwe already did Cide
20:26.00Nobgultalk about a head shot.
20:26.09TrelaYou side to replace tem with jpg!!!111one.
20:26.12abrawhen you're using a [for i=1, asdf do] inside another [for i=1, asdf2 do] is there no conflict between the var "i"?
20:26.15Fiskerour shambling horror tank died
20:26.29jpgI don't like this
20:26.30Nobgullol Fisker.
20:26.35TrelaXD
20:26.42Jamashabra: it is common practice to use for i=1 etc then for j = 1 etc
20:26.44mikmafiphi: so, what did you like? nice picture?
20:26.50abrathx jam
20:26.55fiphimikma: Hmm? :)
20:27.09Cidefuck you Jamash
20:27.11mikmafiphi: i linked the image
20:27.18fiphiOh, sec, what, where?
20:27.20Cidewhat you should do in situations like these are to link www.lua.org/pil
20:27.21mikmafiphi: scroll up like 1 page
20:27.28Jamashgeez
20:27.31Jamashbite my head off
20:27.43CideI might
20:27.44Kalroth_bites Jamash in the neck
20:27.45fiphiAh, yeah.
20:27.51fiphiDoesn't look so bad.
20:27.57abrawhy cide?
20:28.09Cidebecause you can learn to program on your own
20:28.15abrathose who wanna answer a simple question should be allowed to do so.
20:28.27Cideyeah but you shouldn't be allowed to ask it in the first place
20:28.32abrai am learning on my own, just using a different resource.
20:28.43Cidedo you have a lua interpreter by hand?
20:28.54abraif you dont wanna be a resource, dont.  but don't tell others how to be.
20:28.59Jamashinterpreting lua by hand sounds inefficient
20:29.06Cides/by/on/
20:29.26Cideabra, how about you learn lua and we'll help you with applying it on wow addons
20:29.31Cidethat's a nice idea eh?
20:29.41abracide, how about you worry about the things that affect you.
20:29.49Cidethis affects me deeply
20:29.57abrano, this makes you feel cool.
20:30.03Cidethat too
20:30.10Cidebut that's mostly the + speaking
20:30.10fiphiToo bad it isn't working.
20:30.13KalrothCide has a caring personality
20:30.18mikmai have a cool project for cide. code bubble bobble in wow
20:30.23CloudwolfI have yet to see it yet kalroth
20:30.24JamashCide cares about himself deeply
20:30.27Nobgulthat would be sweet
20:30.33Cidemikma, done
20:30.37Cidethat's how good I am
20:30.40NobgulLol
20:30.41abrawell, note that i'll not be bothering to take any of your comments for more than simple self-inflation
20:30.59CloudwolfCide seroulsy do that i would dlit and play it lol
20:31.02Jamashsadly, like many irc channels, #WoWUIDev can be hostile to newbies
20:31.19abraits fine, im not as easy a target as i may seem.  what i'
20:31.22KalrothJamash: This place is pretty friendly compared to elsewhere
20:31.24Cideno, just people who are too lazy to try themselves or learn
20:31.29Cideand mostly just me
20:31.34abralol.  i could be called anything but lazy.
20:31.45Cide<abra> when you're using a [for i=1, asdf do] inside another [for i=1, asdf2 do] is there no conflict between the var "i"?
20:31.46cog|awaychanges his mind
20:31.49cog|away><
20:31.51Cidetype it into a lua interpreter, see what happens
20:31.52Cidetakes you 2 seconds
20:32.00Cideinstead you're wasting our time by answering your questions
20:32.01Nobgullol cog
20:32.02abrayou'd probably be hurt if you saw how sick what i've done is.  hurt inside.
20:32.09fiphiCide: And bitching for ages isn't wasting time?
20:32.13Cidesure it is
20:32.14JamashI think we're wasting a lot more time arguing ^^^^
20:32.15abrahaha, valuable time you could be using to flame newbs
20:32.16Maldiviacog|away: you've shown yourself, noway to hide now!
20:32.20Cidethat's why I was hoping to avoid this discussion in the worst place
20:32.23mikmacog and run!
20:32.23CideI'm tired
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20:32.25Cidein the first place*
20:32.55CloudwolfCide if you don't have anything helpfull to say please do not say it.
20:32.57Kalrothwhat about the second place
20:33.08abrahaha.  well, thank god for those who like to be teachers.  cide.. im sure your children love having such articulate guidance.
20:33.09KalrothCloudwolf: what you just said wasn't helpful either!
20:33.14CideCloudwolf, if you don't have anything worthwhile to say then don't say it
20:33.32Cideabra, I like helping out when the helpees actually spend more than 30 seconds on trying to figure it out by themselves
20:33.33NobgulTakes cover.
20:33.50abrayouve not got any idea how much time ive spent on anything.
20:34.00abrasigh
20:34.08KalrothCide got a point though, learning things by yourself is far more rewarding than being spoonfed answers
20:34.10Cideso you spent over 30 seconds trying to figure out if the same loop variable works inside a loop of that same variable?
20:34.16Cideof course I have a point
20:34.26Jamashanyway, the real answer to your question is that the inner loop i masks the outer loop i, so it's not very useful
20:34.33KalrothCide: Not of course, you don't always
20:34.40Cideyes I do
20:34.44KalrothNo you don't
20:34.44Cidesometimes it just goes over your head
20:34.47MaldiviaGive a man a fish, you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish and you have fed him for a lifetime ??
20:34.53Kalrothsummons the Fisker
20:34.59Cidebesides
20:35.03Mirrormnwouldn't the second i just end up in a higher scope than the first?
20:35.05airtonixstops Kalroth
20:35.09Cidethe deeper understanding of how loops work hasn't been answered
20:35.17Cideif you had tried it yourself you would see for example what happens to the outer loop variable
20:35.23Cideis it changed permanently or only for one iteration?
20:35.24KalrothMaldivia: Teach a man code it himself and he'll understand it, give him the code and he wont!
20:35.24JamashI'm not going to spoonfeed Lua to someone all day, but I am willing to answer one question
20:35.27Cideis it stored behind the scenes?
20:35.30Cideor overridden?
20:35.35airtonixJamash, the answer is 42
20:35.36abrahaha.  i have been trying it on my own.. for hours.
20:35.40Cidelots of questions that haven't been answered because you didn't bother looking it up
20:35.47airtonixabra, NOT AS LONG AS ME BRAH
20:35.56abrahaha
20:35.56abraheard
20:36.02Kalrothairtonix: its too late now, the Fisker is out of the bottle
20:36.06cbreakthere are many ways to learn how to program
20:36.11Cidelua> for i = 1, 3 do print("Iteration " .. i); for i = 10, 13 do print(i); end print(i); end
20:36.11lua_botCide: Iteration 1, 10, 11, 12, 13, 1, Iteration 2, 10, 11, 12, 13, 2, Iteration 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 3
20:36.12airtonixabra, FIX MY GTKFILECHOOSERBUTTON NAO
20:36.21cbreakI don't think that having a guy tell you how to do it is the best.
20:36.23Cidethat was dificult
20:36.42Kalrothwas it
20:36.43Cidethe above should answer most if not all questions regarding overlapping loop variables
20:36.51Cideno, but it was difficult because I can't spell
20:37.00airtonixsnickers
20:37.16abrawell whatever.  i learn interactively.  i learn things as i need them.  im going to continue to do so.
20:37.30Cideyou ask as you need an answer you mean
20:37.32mikmahttp://mikma.eu/wow/cata/WoWScrnShot_071610_063922.jpg - Cap'n Placeholder
20:37.34airtonixwoops think i just shat myself
20:37.50airtonixnope was just a really bad fart
20:37.51abrai looked around.. couldnt find examples of code that had multiple loops...
20:37.58abrawithin each other
20:38.00Trela:O
20:38.01Cideyou could write it yourself you know
20:38.02TrelaHe is back!
20:38.04CloudwolfLOL mikma
20:38.05fiphimikma: Haha, cute.
20:38.05Maldiviaairtonix: warm and fuzzy?
20:38.19Cideare you not learning how to program?
20:38.40abracide, your point is taken, heard and noted.
20:38.47Cideand embraced, I hope
20:38.50airtonixabra, feel my fury
20:39.02airtonixabra, it will kill your nose
20:39.04Cloudwolfmikma youzagnome rogue?
20:39.10abranah, i wont suffer the berating of he who had to walk to school.
20:39.16mikmacloudwolf: ya, and gnome dk
20:39.16airtonix:(
20:39.25Kalrothhey, I had to walk to school :(
20:39.28Cloudwolf:D gnome bretheren!
20:39.37Cloudwolfbout time we get gnomeregan back
20:39.39MirrormnCide: Hostility doesn't change people's minds, it just makes them defensive
20:39.40mikmacloudwolf: Daggaplese is my rogue =D
20:39.41airtonixKalroth, when i was a kid i had to CRAWL to school
20:39.42Jamashuphill both ways in a vacuum on an asteroid orbiting a neutron star
20:39.42abraso do you frown on those who dont now?
20:39.48KalrothGoddamn gnomes, toss 'em out the window I say
20:39.51mikmacloudwolf: please*
20:39.51CideMirrormn, and I like being offensive
20:39.55airtonixJamash, NO you jumped the gun
20:40.00airtonixdestroys Jamash
20:40.01Kalrothabra: git off ma porch
20:40.09Cideif he doesn't want to REALLY learn then that's fine
20:40.10Kalrothdang whippersnappers
20:40.13abrahaha.
20:40.16Cidejust don't bother me with the shit
20:40.21mikmann ->
20:40.23Jamashnobody did, you bothered yourself
20:40.26abrayou're chooseing to be bothered bro
20:40.29abrachoosing*
20:40.29Cideno, he bothered me
20:40.35cbreakscientific studies have shown: finding answers yourself makes a bigger impression in the memory than just reading it, or getting it told
20:40.37Jamashwhat abra said
20:40.43Cidewhat cbreak said
20:40.44airtonixabra, (cide is on the verge of being homoCIDEl)...
20:40.49abralol
20:41.03Cideif you were a regular in here you would know I tell every newbie who comes in here the same thing
20:41.07abraas entertaining as it is, im going to take my lazily attained new knowledge and get back to work.
20:41.14Cidedon't ask questions that take 3 seconds of trying out to answer
20:41.14Jamashgood idea
20:41.15Mirrormnyou never told me nothin
20:41.15airtonixabra, (hee's really a nice guy)
20:41.16abrahow long til im not a noob anymore?
20:41.23Maldiviaairtonix: perhaps a glass of cider will cool him down :P
20:41.24KalrothMirrormn: Cide gave up on you
20:41.25cbreakhave you read the lua manual?
20:41.28cbreakit's a good start
20:41.40abrareading the manual doesnt work for me.
20:41.43Cideabra, I don't care if you're a noob or not, what matters is what questions you ask
20:41.44abranot everyone learns the same way
20:41.45cbreakwon't take more than an hour or two, and after you're done, you should be able to use Lua like all the other languages you know
20:41.54cbreakat least that was how I learned it
20:41.55abracbreak...
20:41.57abralol
20:41.57Cidenobody learns by being spoonfed information on demand though
20:42.02abrai dont know ANY languages
20:42.06cbreakoh
20:42.08JamashHe asked one question
20:42.10JamashONE
20:42.12Cideyes
20:42.16Kalrothabra: what about English, eh? EH?!
20:42.21Cideand it said a lot
20:42.21cbreakenglish doesn't count
20:42.24abrakal - barelty
20:42.26abrabarely
20:42.26Kalrothyes it does
20:42.29airtonixpseudocode ?
20:42.30abrabarely even
20:42.34cbreakenglish is not a real language.
20:42.36KalrothLast I checked English is a language too!
20:42.44airtonixyou were lied to
20:42.46cbreakit's only spoken by humans
20:42.46nevcairieldon't discriminate english
20:42.48Cideabra, so what way *do* you learn?
20:43.00airtonixwith money
20:43.02KalrothCide: how to make fresh pasta
20:43.02JamashI'd recommend you find a good language for beginners, learning that, then coming back to Lua, but I can't think of any good languages for beginners
20:43.13cbreakI think lua is a good language for beginners
20:43.14Cidelua is fine for beginners
20:43.17abraif you think me reading the fact that its common practice to use i, j, k etc will help me remember it better, then tell yourself i did read it.. when kal wrote it
20:43.18Maldiviago go LOLCODE!
20:43.18cbreakalthough I started with AppleScript.
20:43.22Kalrothlua isn't a real language
20:43.23cbreaka less good language...
20:43.27airtonixi think psuedocode is better for beginners
20:43.33cbreakPascal is nice I heard, but I found it not good
20:43.36Cidecan't try out pseudocode
20:43.41JamashI started with APL but I don't know of any freely available working APL interpreters
20:43.42cbreakI like C, and would recommend it to beginners
20:43.42nevcairieli dont like pascal
20:43.43airtonixWHO CARES
20:43.44Cidepseudocode is for computer scientists
20:43.45abrahow about this.. wanna look at my lua?
20:43.48Kalrothlua is like vb script or blitz basic 2
20:43.50JamashC is bad for beginners
20:43.53cbreakyeah
20:43.55airtonixabra, wanna look in my pants ?
20:43.56abrasec
20:43.57cbreakbut I like it anyway
20:44.08airtonixno i didn't think so
20:44.13abrawell, i think youll see that im not lazy when you see this shit
20:44.17Kalrothbeginners should start with assembly, so they get an idea of how it works behind the scenes
20:44.26Fiskeri am tired Kalroth
20:44.27Fiskerhelp me
20:44.32Jamashthat's like saying beginners to physics should start with quantum chromodynamics
20:44.32Kalrothhe's here!
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20:44.44airtonixFisker, i tried to stop them from summoning you
20:44.49Cideis there such a thing as quantum chromodynamics?
20:44.51cbreakKalroth: I think that assembly should be one language, but not the first
20:44.53nevcairielbeginners to physics should start with math
20:44.54KalrothJamash: well maybe people would appriciate the stack more if they had to push and pop themselves!
20:44.56nevcairielseriously
20:44.56nevcairiel:p
20:44.59Cideyes it is
20:45.03Cideoh
20:45.05Cidecolor force :(
20:45.06Fiskerwhy are they summoning me airtonix ?
20:45.10Jamashbeginners to programming should also start with math
20:45.12CideI thought it was about color on a quantum level
20:45.14cbreakKalroth: then you are against intel's x86 asm?
20:45.15airtonixFisker, ask them
20:45.18Cidethat's such a misleading field name
20:45.21Fiskerk
20:45.21Kalrothcbreak: definitely
20:45.27cbreakRISC ftw?
20:45.32JamashI recommend taking a course in boolean logic and stuff
20:45.35Kalrothmotorola is king
20:45.47cbreaklikes ARM
20:45.55Kalrothlikes LEG
20:45.56nevcairieli actually never learned that silly motorola asm
20:46.01nevcairieli only know x86 =P
20:46.07cbreakI had to learn SPARC
20:46.13airtonixis not mentioning body parts
20:46.13cbreakbut by now I forgot everything
20:46.15Kalrothi think I forgot most 680x0 by now :(
20:46.38Kalrothalso my shift key is as stable as Fisker
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20:47.35abraits not like im making a hello world addon, im doing some moderately advanced shit.
20:47.36abrahttp://paste.wowace.com/2223/
20:48.05airtonix<quote from back to the future 2 >
20:48.07JamashDo you have Hack installed?
20:48.12airtonixGET HACK!
20:48.15Jamashor WoWLua?
20:48.18airtonixGET IT NOW
20:48.27Kalrothairtonix is a hack
20:48.43abrahack?
20:48.47JamashIt's an addon
20:48.59Kalrothit allows you to hack accounts
20:49.00airtonixabra, are you making a ouf layout ?>
20:49.05abrano
20:49.09abraim making a stand alone
20:49.11Jamashhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11101-Hack.html
20:49.39Irielabra: lines 303-312, those are odd
20:49.49abraim making an addon that will reorg the bg groups based on the setup you specifify in my options panel
20:49.51cbreakabra: your indentation choices are weird
20:49.57Irielthey're not broken, but they're odd
20:50.00cbreakwhat is the idea behind it?
20:50.12Mirrormnhuh
20:50.15abrahaha
20:50.19IrielAlso you're missing a bunch of locals
20:50.20abracbreak - pure noobness
20:50.21cbreakreminds me of Python
20:50.22abrayeah
20:50.27MirrormnHack looks exactly like something I was planning to create
20:50.31abrai know, ive tried to go back.. there were more globals then
20:50.33Mirrormnwheee
20:50.35airtonixbreaks cbreak
20:50.45JamashThe thing about hello world is that's what you should start with
20:50.48nevcairielthe indentation is no way like python
20:50.52Jamashand incrementally increase complexity from there
20:50.55abraireil - is there a better way to do it?
20:50.58cbreakit's ugly. just like python's :D
20:51.02airtonixbreaks cbreak
20:51.13abrabah
20:51.14cbreakexists in four parts
20:51.15abraim doing fine
20:51.15Jamashmy first addon was pretty trivial, it just printed a message in the chat log saying where to go for weapon skill training
20:51.18abraload that shit up
20:51.18nevcairielpython just uses one indent level per block, which is kinda default anyone should be doing =P
20:51.21abraand see how good ive done
20:51.23airtonixcbreak, i douse you
20:51.33cbreakstops burning
20:51.39airtonixno
20:51.47Irielabra: so what specifically isn't working, I joined late I think
20:51.52abranothing
20:51.53abraim fine
20:52.08abrai was asking if i need to change i to j or whatever if im looping inside a loop
20:52.10abrasee the last function
20:52.21abrathen i got raped
20:52.25abrafor not reading the manual
20:52.29Jamashby lizardmen
20:52.30IrielIt's probably easier to understand that way
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20:52.48Irielbut technically it'll work unless you need to access both loop values
20:52.54Iriel(that way == with i and j, not i and i)
20:53.01Jamashhow come you only have four raid groups?
20:53.01IrielCode style suggestion...
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20:53.14IrielLines like 442-445
20:53.18Mirrormnon a completely unrelated note
20:53.19abraanyway, im still working out how to do that bottom function.. and theres a problem with the converted to raid function still
20:53.24Mirrormnbanana chips are delicious
20:53.28Irieluse a series of if then else rather than if then end if then end
20:53.33airtonixMirrormn, you're out of tune
20:53.35cbreakMirrormn: you should try mango stripps
20:53.36IrielYou can skip 1/2 your tests, and it's less likely to be "wrong"
20:54.13abrayeah i did that originally and was having errors.. changed all of that and then saw that the error was elsewhere
20:54.15abraboo
20:54.25nevcairielI love those kind of fixes
20:54.26Jamashusing variable names like "txttt" and "txtt" is also likely to be confusing and result in typos
20:54.30abrajamash
20:54.38Jamashabra
20:54.55abra4 raid grps is because this is for leading premades.. only need 15 people for the ones we do atm. once i get this going, i can go back and add the rest
20:54.56nevcairielre-working a whole section just to notice the error was elsewhere, priceless
20:54.58Mirrormnwhat's confusing about a variable named "txttt" jeez
20:55.14nevcairieldoes that way too often
20:55.16abrathose are temporary, gentlemen.  to see if the code works.
20:55.26temdo we have any idea what a "Flask Cauldron" is and how it will work?
20:55.28abrai go back and make them relenvent thought out names if they do
20:55.39tem(see "Increases the number of flasks gained from using a flask cauldron by 100%." fromt he guild perks for reference to its existence)
20:55.59nevcairieltem: speculation say like the resistance cauldraons, we can cook it up, put it somewhere, and everyone can steal flasks from it
20:56.08nevcairiel-a
20:56.08MirrormnI'd be very surprised if it wasn't analogous to what fish feasts are for buff food
20:56.13Maldiviatem: think mage table, for for resistance flasks
20:56.44abraso, even though i am a noob, can i get a little hoo-ra for my efforts thus far?
20:56.52abragrin
20:57.04nevcairielwonder how much time it takes to reach guild level 25
20:57.04Jamashclaps politely for abra.
20:57.18abrai notice cides bitch ass has stopped talking
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20:57.42Mirrormndecides this might be a good time to walk away
20:57.48JamashI think he's reading about quantum mechanics
20:57.49Maldiviaand instead you started namecalling ?
20:57.54abrahaha.  just poking
20:58.02abrajam - thanks alot brother.
20:58.04Irielnamecalling at cide, no less.
20:58.13Jamashlike poking an anthill
20:58.22Jamashor a wasp nest
20:58.23abrahaha
20:58.56Maldiviasometimes I wonder if cide is short for cinder
20:59.01airtonixits not
20:59.11IrielSpeaking of ants - I got my wife one of these for her birthday - http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/pets/6fd6/
20:59.15IrielIt's fascinating so far.
20:59.25Jamashdo they sell ant farm keyboards?
20:59.31abraha just what every girl wants.
20:59.35airtonixit's short for homocide
20:59.35ReAnlol some people on my server are doing Gruuls lair :p
20:59.41abrajamash - million dollar idea
20:59.43IrielShe specifically asked for an ant farm
20:59.53JamashReAn: I read that as Gruul's hair
21:00.00ReAnlol
21:00.00abrahaha
21:00.01abrahaha
21:00.02MaldiviaReAn: achievement run?
21:00.02IrielJamash: oddly enough, so did I
21:00.06ReAntekkub lurking?
21:00.12ReAnMaldivia: no idea
21:00.16ReAnim going for the nostalgia
21:00.22ReAnit seems im the only one who has a clue tho
21:00.27ReAn... this could go bad
21:00.33Maldiviasounds gruuling...
21:00.33nevcairielthen its a achievement run
21:00.39Cideairtonix, how do you know?
21:00.49nevcairiellike .. hey, that can't be this hard
21:00.49Cidefyi, I only stopped talking because I was afk
21:01.11Jamashwhat do you do after the ants eat all the gel, anyway?
21:01.24nevcairielbuy new gel?
21:01.24ReAnnevcairiel: if everyone was 80, and the tank + mage tank + healers knew what they were doing, yea it'd be cake, even with all lvl 70 dps and retards to boot
21:01.33Mirrormnsell them mail-order to the next people that buy an ant farm
21:01.35JamashIf they can get past maulgar
21:01.42ReAnyea
21:01.45ReAnactually
21:01.49ReAnif we can get a 1/2 decent mage
21:01.51JamashMaulgar is harder than gruul
21:02.00ReAni *SHOULD* be able to carry them through maulgar
21:02.05nevcairielmaulgar just needs 2-3 people that know wtf they are doing
21:02.45ReAnreally just the MT, MageT, and 1Healer
21:02.49ReAnthen you can zerg the rest
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21:03.23Mirrormnthe mage guy only casts for like 13k iirc
21:03.33Mirrormnyou should probably just be able to tank that and heal through it
21:03.35ReAnWITH the buff up
21:03.40ReAni thikn
21:03.43ReAnit's been a while
21:03.44Mirrormnno
21:03.50Mirrormnit's like 3500 with the buff up
21:04.01MirrormnI healed the mage tank on my priest every time we did that fight
21:04.14ReAnit's been so long
21:04.18ReAnand our mage was pro
21:04.23ReAnso pro
21:04.27Maldiviathe fireballs hit for 9k if you haven't stolen the shield
21:04.34ReAni think i 1-handed it while watching porn on the other monitor
21:04.40MirrormnI would always choose the exact downrank of greater heal and then time it so I'd always heal like 0.5s after the fireball hit
21:04.41ReAnseriously
21:04.54Mirrormnand then our stupid mage tank would always fail to spellsteal and we would wipe
21:04.55Mirrormnbwaah
21:05.33ReAnmainly cuz he'd be standing there for 1+ minutes after the dude was dead
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21:24.20airtonixReAn, no one here as ever done gruuls, ever.
21:24.44cbreakI found gruul's lair fun
21:24.46airtonixexcept for you
21:24.58cbreakfinally a place where I can do more than just spam frostbolts :)
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21:25.12airtonixspam speal steal?
21:25.48Mirrormnit baffled me how many mages couldn't understand that when their magic shield ran out, it might be time to spam spellsteal
21:25.51airtonixthis conversation is a prime example of why i stopped playing this game
21:26.04airtonixMirrormn, what baffled me was how many people lack imagination
21:26.17airtonixa group of 5 70's used a rogue tank to do gruuls
21:26.24airtonixTHATS FUN!
21:26.35Mirrormna rogue solo'd gruul *shrug*
21:26.39airtonixwhile 99% of everyone else playing the game all used the boring method
21:26.45Mirrormnit's honestly not that fun
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21:27.09airtonixMirrormn, its alot more fun than fucking being a sheep and just regurigitating everyone elses method
21:27.33Mirrormnuh
21:27.34Mirrormnokay
21:27.35airtonixwoop de do we beat a pixel with a proven safe method
21:27.35cbreakyou should join our guild, we always developed our own strategies
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21:27.51cbreakand since I was the raid leader, I tanked the mage :)
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21:28.39MirrormnI'm not sure I understand why it's so much more fun just because it's not "standard"
21:28.46Irielhttp://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/HarvesterAnt.jpg
21:29.21cbreakit's fun for those who do it
21:29.34Mirrormnunless the content is way below your current difficulty and you want to introduce some new challenge to it
21:29.37cbreaksince I am a mage, it's fun for me to do mage tanking
21:30.01airtonix...
21:30.52Mirrormn... ?
21:31.26airtonix5 lvl70 people for 25man gruulz ? is not ever going to be at a stage where its below your "level"
21:31.52Mirrormnairtonix: you know how a level 70 rogue tanks gruul, right?
21:31.59airtonixyes
21:32.15Mirrormnthey get a bunch of bullshit agi and dodge gear to the point where they can't be hit anymore
21:32.31foxlitneeerf
21:32.48Mirrormnthat's more of an exploit to make the fight easier than anything else
21:32.59airtonixlol ok
21:33.03airtonixsuer
21:33.05foxlitSeriously, though, softcap avoidance to... avoid... this mess.
21:33.20airtonixexploit = someone working out how to do something that wasn't cookie cutter method
21:33.23airtonixriiight
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21:33.39cbreakif you want a real challenge, look for that mage that soloed the first Naxramas wing
21:33.53airtonixbefore TBC ?
21:33.56cbreakhe really worked hard, and he didn't use a cookie cutter method
21:34.04cbreakno, in WotLK
21:34.05foxlitand he was banned?
21:34.06Mirrormnthere's a difference between doing something that's not "cookie cutter" and doing something that is completely unintended by the developers
21:34.10cbreakyes, he was
21:34.24Mirrormnand cbreak, are you not talking about the method where you're just immune to all damage the entire time?
21:34.26airtonixMirrormn, no i dont actually think there is
21:34.49cbreakMirrormn: no. not immune
21:34.51cbreakabsorbing
21:34.54airtonixthats just something un-imaginative people say to justify their lack of imagination or desire to loose what they have
21:34.59Mirrormnsame difference
21:35.03cbreakand only with a lot of timing and mana management skills
21:35.25ScytheBlade1http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152207
21:35.28Mirrormnwell, I didn't see it
21:35.31ScytheBlade1Any thoughts on that laptop?
21:35.39foxlitIt's not a mac.
21:35.42ScytheBlade1Looking to purchase one, probably via newegg, today
21:35.44amrosince when is absorption the same as immunity?
21:35.54cbreakhmm... if I enter a SC2 league, what happens with the person that leaves it?
21:35.56MirrormnI've done a couple of solo/unorthodox type dungeon/raid things
21:36.07foxlitcbreak: that situation does not occur
21:36.08Mirrormnamro: they become very similar when there's no damage cap on your absorption
21:36.20foxlitcbreak: you always enter leagues with empty slots
21:36.24cbreakfoxlit: can leagues have more or less than 100 people?
21:36.31foxlitThey can  have less.
21:36.36RessyScytheBlade1, is that supposed to play wow?
21:36.51ScytheBlade1Ressy: as I don't have an active WoW account no. But games in general, yes.
21:36.51amroMirrormn: there is a cap
21:37.10airtonixlol ati
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21:37.29ScytheBlade1airtonix: yeah, well, find me a similar laptop with NV
21:37.32Ressygreat gpu, middling cpu, good ram.  *shrug*  seems fine.
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21:37.56airtonixi have such a loathing for ati that i would just wait
21:37.58Mirrormnseems a little overpriced
21:38.24ScytheBlade1airtonix: I do too, trust me. But I literally cannot find any others
21:38.28MirrormnI recall seeing a laptop much like that but with a core i7 720m for ~$950 somewhere
21:38.29airtonixis that 1009 $ us  ?
21:38.34ScytheBlade1yes
21:38.38airtonixouch
21:38.49Mirrormnmaybe it was refurbished or something
21:39.22Fiskerslaps ScytheBlade1 around a bit with a large trout
21:39.23Fiskerslaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout
21:40.18Fiskerslaps Corrodias around a bit with a large trout
21:40.20Mirrormnhere, http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2115338
21:40.24Ressy720m's are not that great for wow.
21:40.28Ressy1.6Ghz = bad
21:40.42Fiskeryou just need the new 6core i7
21:40.43Mirrormnthere is that
21:41.15Ressythe other graphics card is better, the other cpu is better.
21:42.43ScytheBlade1Mirrormn: problem with that one is the shipping time... I need it by next friday
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21:43.45Mirrormn*shrug* if speed is a priority over money, go ahead
21:43.51Fiskerslaps ScytheBlade1 around a bit with a large trout
21:44.21ScytheBlade1Mirrormn: seriously, thanks though, at face value that looks awesome
21:44.32Mirrormnslickdeals is the best
21:45.05Mirrormnhttp://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=2132134 very similar deal
21:46.47Corrodiasagain with the strangely slow cpu...
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21:47.11Mirrormnyknow the 720m turb modes to like 2.8ghz or something
21:47.16Mirrormn*turbo
21:47.21Corrodiasthat all depends on cooling
21:47.40Corrodiasand this IS a laptop, after all, so...
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21:47.49Corrodiasi wouldn't expect much out of it
21:47.53MirrormnI'm not saying it's necessarily better than a dual core, but
21:48.11MirrormnIt would be unwise to go off of the stated clock speed
21:48.24Mirrormnbest thing would be to get some benchmarks, running WoW preferrably
21:48.26Corrodiasall right
21:48.28Corrodiasgood point
21:48.38MirrormnI wish more benchmark sites would use WoW instead of always newer games ^_^
21:48.50Mirrormnor in addition to
21:48.59DagmarThere's no meaningful demo area
21:49.12Thunder_Childwow is not a good benchmark game
21:49.37Corrodiasit is if you just want to run WoW :|
21:49.39foxlittaxi your way to glory
21:50.38foxlitshould totally make an addon.
21:50.54Dagmartaxiwhat?
21:51.04foxlitWoW does support benchmarking
21:51.45foxlitWhether it's in a meaningful way or not is a bit questionable, but you can get it to behave a particular way while you're on a gryphon.
21:51.54Fiskerslaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout
21:52.06DagmarNot really useful.
21:52.17DagmarYou'd want something more meaningful, like a segment of a VOA 25 fight.
21:52.33Dagmar...cuz stuff like that is what separates the men from tbe boys, so to speak
21:52.39FiskerOr a flight on a gryphon
21:52.41Fisker:3
21:53.04DagmarThe fps I see on a gryphon is well above what I see in a VOA25
21:53.04band-aidis it possible to have a LUA table as a saved value
21:53.21DagmarThere are *far* more things going on with spell effects and models there
21:53.23alestaneQuite common, in fact.
21:54.04Irielband-aid: I believe alestane's comment was in answer to your question
21:54.18Irielband-aid: the short answer being "yes" 8-)
21:54.23Ressyhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Timetest
21:54.37band-aidand once I put it in saved variables
21:54.39band-aidit is created
21:54.45band-aidand I can just start working with it?
21:54.54alestaneAlso, just a word of warning...you'll save yourself a lot of hassle from finicky programmers by referring to the language as "Lua," rather than "LUA."
21:55.07band-aid^will do
21:55.53alestaneYou set a global variable, referred to in the ToC file, to the value of some table. Then, when WoW reloads, wait for the ADDON_LOADED event with your addon as the first argument.
21:56.13DagmarRessy: "All weather effects and spawns are shutdown during the test."  <-- I suspect this is why no one seems to like it
21:56.16amrodidn't someone have an autoresponse to "LUA"?
21:56.20alestaneAt that point, it will be set back to the value it was saved with when WoW last logged out or reloaded.
21:57.18DagmarMost people would not care if the gryphon was a slide show if they stayed over 40fps in complex fights
21:57.47foxlitProper objection, but a bad example
21:58.00foxlitIt is unlikely that a 40fps in complex fights setup will yield a slideshow on a gryphon.
21:58.05Ressy^
21:58.49RessyDx11 should help with this...
21:59.01RessyIts already showing optimizations with crossfire.
21:59.54DagmarI'd have never have guessed
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22:00.46RessyThey're still trying to get it running like dx9.. So its surprising crossfire's showing optimizations already.
22:02.38DagmarWhat I find more astonishing is that there's people who actually do make the same mistake twice.
22:04.35A-KOhmm....I should try and get this burger joint downtown to make a Juicy Lucy
22:05.14A-KOthe cool thing about the restaurant is that they have like, many options for choosing your burger
22:05.32A-KOthey just give you a piece of paper and you mark off what you want
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22:07.47RessyThey've got a salad place near my work thats like that.
22:08.43A-KOmelted cheese in the center of a cheeseburger is winsauce
22:09.14MirrormnI dunno, melted cheese in the center of a cheeseburger *sounds* like a great idea
22:09.36A-KOit *is* a great idea
22:09.36Mirrormnbut I'm not convinced it's actually better than just having the cheese on the outside, or even as good
22:09.41A-KOtrust me, it is
22:09.51A-KOthey have restaurants that specialize in it :P
22:09.54Krapshttp://notalwaysright.com/short-cake-tall-order/6209
22:09.59A-KObut it's relatively limited in area
22:10.03A-KOnot too many places actually make 'em
22:10.05Mirrormnwell, that's because it *sounds* like a good idea
22:10.11alestaneOr you could have it in the middle of the bun...that friendly's thing was good, but I'm glad I shared it.
22:10.21Mirrormnand people hear it, and they say "oh man, how could that not be great!"
22:10.29A-KOMirrormn: I've had 'em
22:10.33A-KOthey are the bomb
22:10.38A-KOthe key is the cheese has to melt though
22:10.41Mirrormnyeah I've had one or two before
22:10.51A-KOit's like saying cheesy hotdogs aren't a great idea
22:10.52A-KOthey're awesome
22:10.56Mirrormnmaybe mine was just not "up to snuff"
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22:11.51kd3's skill at [Auguring holes into the ground, leveling 6x6" posts and cementing them] has increased slightly
22:11.53kd3sigh
22:12.06A-KOouch
22:12.10A-KOat least you got to augur though
22:12.14A-KOtry digging it
22:12.18kd3oh, I know
22:12.23A-KOaround here the footer's gotta be 30" deep
22:12.32kd3the augur is only really designed for 4x4"s
22:12.35alestaneHurray for clamshells.
22:13.16kd3so had to clamshell the holes to 6x6"s. still better than having to do it all the manual way, but 90s at 90% isn't fun
22:13.42A-KOnope
22:13.44A-KOno it's not
22:14.56A-KOman, Ryze in LoL is pretty bad ass
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22:25.44jnwhitehHey guys, I have a friend who is trying to win a hotel giveaway (365 nights, 5 years to spend them) for his family. Just drop by http://5littleelves.com and vote for him if you don't mind. He's in 2nd place, and it would be amazing if we can get him up to 1st place. The contest ends in 6 days, so gogogo! =)
22:25.45jnwhitehThank you!
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22:28.06Sixenvoted
22:28.56jnwhitehthank you sir!
22:29.17Sixen=)
22:30.10DesertDwarfVoted.
22:30.15Ressyvoted
22:31.57cbreaksounds like a good prize if you want to spend a lot of time in a hotel room :)
22:32.43band-aidis there a way to see the output of the lua interpreter? I want an easier way to find syntax errors than the needle+haystack way lol
22:34.05Arrowmasterband-aid: luac -p
22:34.42band-aidWill that work for WoW addons?
22:35.27cbreakband-aid: you mean the output as in the compiled bytecode?
22:35.32cbreakif so, don't
22:35.39cbreakbytecode is not intended for human consumption
22:35.41band-aidcbreak: lord no
22:35.45band-aidI mean
22:35.50band-aidif I forget a 'end'
22:36.00cbreakyou write a wow addon, right?
22:36.04band-aidsome way for it to tell me "syntax error near like 45"
22:36.15band-aids/like/line
22:36.20cbreakthen you should get a bug addon like ... I forgot the name
22:36.31Ressybugsack !buggrabber
22:36.40DesertDwarf!Swatter or BugSack and !BugGrabber
22:36.53cbreakswatter
22:36.55cbreakright
22:36.59band-aidok thanks
22:37.03cbreakI use that, it's rather convenient
22:37.10cbreakyou still have to /console reloadui though :)
22:37.39cbreakif you know how lua works, you can change the code at runtime with something like TinyPad
22:37.40DesertDwarfIt helped me with a missing 'end' myself this morning. But, I still had to go through and comment-label each block's start and end (for/end and if/end) so I could figure out which one I missed. *blush*
22:37.45Arrowmastersince it cant know exactly where you ment to put the missing end it cant really show you
22:38.03cbreakproper indenting helps a lot finding missing ends
22:38.19Arrowmasterbut if you follow good indenting practices and maybe even use an editor that can automatically reindent for you it should help find them
22:38.39cbreakand I know I don't do that myself all the time, but it is very nice if a method is short enough to fit ono your screen as a whole
22:38.55DesertDwarfcbreak: Yes, but two for-loops (one next in the other) and numerous if statements still made the indentation unhelpful.
22:39.20cbreakif you do it properly, it should always help :)
22:39.34cbreakmaybe not enough, but still. Indenting is never wrong.
22:39.43cbreakat most it's inconvenient or ugly :)
22:40.15DesertDwarfband-aid: If you use "AddOn Studio for World of Warcraft" has code-folding to help with this. I prefer a regular editor, but when I realized I'd lost track of an 'end', I loaded my lua in it and found it more easily.
22:40.30Arrowmasterugg
22:40.35Arrowmasterhorrible editor
22:40.49DesertDwarfI agree. I only used it for this one instance to help me.
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22:41.16DesertDwarfWhat editor(s) do y'all use?
22:41.38band-aidI'm using textmate at the moment
22:41.40kd3vim?
22:41.42band-aid<--mac
22:42.16cbreakTextWrangler
22:42.25Dashkalvim
22:42.34cbreakit's the text editor I use for programming when I don't use XCode or Vim
22:42.54cbreakit has Lua syntax highlighting, is rather powerful, and still very lean
22:42.58cbreakit's for mac, yes
22:43.08cbreakfrom the makers of the legendary ... BBEdit!
22:43.17cbreak(oh, and it's free)
22:45.26MirrormnWoW UI Designer has an integrated interpreter
22:45.29Mirrormnand code outlining
22:45.52Mirrormnand some flaws
22:46.06cbreakTextWrangler is scriptable.
22:46.20cbreakI haven't done it, but I think you could easily make a "run this script in lua" script
22:46.42cbreakfor WoW development it would not be useful since all the API would be missing
22:47.20Mirrormnnot necessarily
22:47.27Mirrormnyou could just compile it and not run it
22:47.37Mirrormnso you'd catch syntax errors but not semantic errors
22:48.57MirrormnI think WoW UI Designer actually tries to recompile your code after every single keypress
22:49.03Mirrormnwhich is slightly baffling
22:49.20cbreaksounds wasteful
22:49.35Mirrormnit is
22:49.41Nobgulyea it does
22:49.41Cideisn't the wow ui designer based off visual studio?
22:49.43cbreakit should only do that after whitespace changes or a timeout, at most
22:49.44Dashkalincremental compiling can be handy if done efficiently enough.  But you'd need a hell of a smart compilier to pull it off
22:49.44MirrormnI mean it could at least wait for line breaks
22:49.45Cidein which case that seems strange
22:49.59Cidemaybe that's what vs does
22:50.03Mirrormnno, I think wow ui designer was built from scratch
22:50.20cbreakI heard XCode & Clang is supposed to do taht with C/Objective-C, but I've never actually see that work
22:50.24cbreakincremental compiling that is
22:50.51DesertDwarf<PROTECTED>
22:51.03Cidethat's it then
22:51.09Cideso wow ui designer is the even worse project
22:52.12Mirrormncide: what do you use?
22:52.24Cidekomodo just because I use it for everything else
22:53.09Mirrormndoes that even have wow-specific syntax highlighting?
22:53.16Cideno... and you don't need it
22:53.36Mirrormnyou don't "need" a computer
22:53.48Cidethat's a stupid argument
22:54.00Mirrormnyes, it is, isn't it
22:54.58DagmarIt's true tho
22:55.03Warloco!$@!$ im getting really sick of EJ moderators
22:55.46DagmarI have an old spiral-bound notebook that I've kept since I was eleven that I used to write code in... when I was eleven
22:55.57DagmarThe TI was not portable
22:56.16DesertDwarfSure it was. My TI friend had huge biceps.
22:58.12Mirrormnanyway, I can't think of a single reason why you wouldn't want to have wow-specific syntax highlighting, other than just to be difficult and stubborn
22:58.34DesertDwarfAmber screen.
22:59.13DesertDwarf^ Sarcasm
22:59.43Mirrormnthat reminds of this program that someone had written for Mac OS X
23:00.03Mirrormnit was like a full-screen text editor with 0 features, options, buttons, or anything
23:00.10Mirrormnjust like, blank screen, and text
23:00.25cbreakI have that. It's called vim
23:00.32Mirrormnand they were playing it up as if that was the only way you could ever write things without being distracted
23:00.37MirrormnI think it cost money too
23:00.50cbreakbut my vim is in a transparent terminal
23:00.51Corrodiasthe file menu in notepad is CONSTANTLY DISTRACTING ME
23:00.54cbreakso I can watch movies behind it
23:01.00cbreakit's so totally not distracting
23:01.01DesertDwarfBut, seriously, I'd imagine syntax highlighting wouldn't be useful to some color-blind people. I have a programmer friend that's color-blind. He doesn't play WoW, but when we've compared notes about text editors, he never cares about syntax highlighting.
23:01.14Mirrormncbreak: that sounds like exactly the opposite of the point
23:01.35CorrodiasDesertDwarf: well, syntax highlighting includes making things bold and using colors other than black and white, with varying levels of contrast
23:01.35MirrormnDesertDwarf: I guess that's a fair point
23:01.47Mirrormnalso true
23:01.55Mirrormnyou could do syntax highlighting for the colorblind
23:02.09Mirrormnusing underlines, dashed lines, etc
23:02.14Cloudwolfgrey
23:02.15cbreakmost color blind people are just red-green blind
23:02.16Cloudwolfshades of grey
23:02.17DesertDwarfHmm...never thought of that.
23:02.30cbreakso you can still use red and blue gradients
23:03.00Mirrormnyou could use font size, too
23:03.06Mirrormnall though that might make it look a little weird
23:03.07DagmarMirrormn: Yes, that's new... Oh wait... Back in the 90's I think we called that "VT102"
23:03.08cbreakthat's evil
23:03.17DesertDwarfMy friend's color sensitivity is gone. He sees only in shades of grey. It's a degeneritive eye disease. Ten years before I met him, we had normal vision.
23:03.42DesertDwarf*he (not we)
23:03.46A-KOthat sucks
23:03.53Corrodias:(
23:03.55A-KOwill he go completely blind?
23:04.03DesertDwarfI believe he will, eventually.
23:04.12A-KOthat sucks even more
23:04.13A-KOdamn
23:04.14MirrormnDagmar: I think that was the point, it was supposed to be like writing text on a tiny terminal screen
23:04.16CloudwolfIsn't shades of grey meaning you only use night vision?
23:04.26Mirrormniirc it even had like a terminal screen border graphic
23:04.43DesertDwarfHe already has to crank up most text about 400% of average and have his faces a few inches from the monitor at that. He does amazing work on his computer for someone with such lousy vision.
23:05.04Cloudwolflol he needs a brail display :D
23:05.09Cloudwolfthat would be amusing...
23:05.22Cloudwolfto see not to have to use
23:05.24Dashkaltongue mounted electrode grid.
23:05.32DesertDwarfThere are such things. He consults for disabled to help them with assistive technologies.
23:05.33Corrodiaselectric shocks whenever you type the wrong key
23:05.41DashkalI wonder how high a res you could get that up to... just how far apart are the nerves on your tongue?
23:06.34Cloudwolf"sir wheres your monitor?" "ith on mah tonguh"
23:06.59DashkalWere I to ever lose my sight, I'd be all over that tech
23:07.20DesertDwarfSadly, the assistive stuff is very expensive.
23:07.37Cloudwolfi forget where i heard/read this maybe i dreamed it... its a computer mounted on your wrist that projects the display onto your arm
23:07.38DashkalGive the choise between broke and stuck in darkness, I'd go with broke
23:07.54Cloudwolfand based on finger tap pressure and some other stuff you can make gestures for it to move files
23:07.56Cloudwolfand do stuff
23:08.00Dashkalnifty
23:08.02DesertDwarfLook up JAWS, for example. It's a screen-reader that's consider the best amount the visually impaired.
23:08.10CloudwolfIt may have been in popular science
23:08.22DashkalI saw tha tongue dealy in discover
23:08.38DashkalCamera projecting its image onto an electrode grid.  Takes only a few hours to adapt.
23:10.00Cloudwolffff now im gona have a living hell finding that article again
23:11.02Cloudwolftime to go fidn the magazine
23:11.20DesertDwarfCloudwolf: This? http://www.popsci.com/gear-amp-gadgets/article/2009-06/ultimate-wristwatch
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23:11.39Cloudwolfno
23:11.45Cloudwolfit was a light projected monitor
23:11.55Cloudwolfits aparently not an articel but a quick hits blurb
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23:13.25Cloudwolf"As portable electronics shrink, our fingers beocme too large to press tiny butotns and our eyes too weak to read small screens. A computer science Ph.D. at Carnegie Mellon University has come up with a novel solution: use hte human body as a proxy. To work, the device projects a screen and keypad onto the skin. Piezoelectric vibration sensors detect taps and finger flicks and translate them...
23:13.27Cloudwolf...into commands. A prototype of the "Skinput" system straps to the upper arm, but the reserachers expect future versions to srhink to the size of a wristwatch."
23:13.35Cloudwolfsorry manually transcribed it
23:13.48Cloudwolfbecuase i do not see a link.
23:14.06DesertDwarfhttp://www.chrisharrison.net/projects/skinput/
23:14.18Cloudwolfyeah that
23:14.35Cloudwolfi transcribed the blurb form popular mechanics heh
23:14.40DesertDwarfHehe.
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23:16.06Cloudwolf_hmm my interwebz asploded
23:16.11MirrormnI don't see how "electronics are shrinking" directly segues into "put a touchscreen on your skin"
23:17.01cbreaktwo words: conductive tatoo-ink
23:17.07Cloudwolf_mirrormn not just input but display
23:17.27Mirrormnthat's what I would consider a "touchscreen"
23:17.36Mirrormndisplay + input in the same area
23:18.10MirrormnI mean, I'm not saying it's not cool, I just don't see how it directly following "As portable electronics shrink, our fingers beocme too large to press tiny butotns and our eyes too weak to read small screens"
23:18.20Mirrormn*follows
23:18.21Cloudwolf_So you don't want to get to the point in time where we can pretty much have a super powerfull computer the size of a wrist watch?
23:18.38Cloudwolf_that you can take around wiht you?
23:18.46Mirrormnsize of a wrist watch? no
23:19.02MirrormnI don't think they really need to get that small
23:19.37Mirrormnand when they do, there will still be a much more powerful computer you can put on your desktop ^_^
23:19.46DagmarWe already have those
23:20.00Mirrormnwe already have both
23:20.11Mirrormnwristwatch computers have been around for a while
23:20.51Mirrormnbut I kind of see the progression now
23:22.51Cloudwolfhttp://notalwaysright.com/driving-the-point-home/4713
23:22.56Cloudwolfthat is why cellphones are annoying lol
23:23.52Mirrormnthese notalwaysright links always seem made up to me
23:24.46RessyCloudwolf, thats just an example of a retarded moron.
23:24.48alestaneSome of them probably are...but never underestimate the power of stupid people, either.
23:25.01CloudwolfOh hi ressy your actualy here lol
23:25.23CloudwolfMirrormn im sure some are but i see that one in complete realm of plausability
23:25.28Mirrormnnever underestimate the power of storytelling through hyperbole
23:25.32RessyI remember fighting with a customer once about whether we carried a product or not.  Her stating she purchased it from our store the previous week, and me stating it's never been sold in our store in the 2 years I've worked there.
23:25.57Mirrormnwell that does sound plausible
23:26.14RessyI'm the one who ordered all the product for that section.
23:26.27CloudwolfMirrormn never under estimate stupidity. And even if a story is exagerated if its in the realm of plausability its still a good story
23:26.59Ressystupidity is high in many.
23:28.13RessyEvery day in Customer Service, you wonder how some people are still alive, and haven't somehow managed to Darwin Award themselves.
23:29.39CloudwolfLol my biology teacher had a book of darwin awards
23:29.45Cloudwolfomg those stories are so horrible but funny
23:32.15Mirrormnactually, yknow
23:32.25MirrormnI don't think it's the made-up-edness that gets me
23:32.30Mirrormnit's the punful titles -.-
23:33.29Cloudwolflol
23:36.42Wobinon the one hand
23:36.46Wobinsure, they can be made up
23:37.12Wobinbut on the other, I don't underestimate human stupidity to say that it's easier to have them be real than to consistantly make up new ones
23:37.27Wobin(that it's not easier)
23:37.45Ressylol
23:40.07Ressyhttp://notalwaysright.com/unloading-marital-baggage/5724
23:40.14Ressy^ That one's not stupid, its just funny
23:41.23Cloudwolfoh god that one yeah
23:41.25Cloudwolflol
23:41.38RessyThats something I'd pull on my husband. >.>
23:43.49Cloudwolfyou should remind him not to get on your bad side :D
23:44.14RessyI do.  it doesn't scare him.
23:45.47CloudwolfHmm
23:45.53CloudwolfWell it should :D
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23:48.08Cloudwolfmirrormn http://notalwaysright.com/hamming-it-up/4692
23:48.32Cloudwolfi love the kosher ones
23:49.23Ressylawl
23:52.16CloudwolfThere was one about some one looking for Christian passover cards. And then complaining when the person said they don't have any and then said but jesus celebrated passover XD
23:52.40Cloudwolfand other people were looking for kosher ham ...

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