| 00:00.02 | Wobin | Alan Dean Foster does good scifi |
| 00:00.29 | Dagmar | Shit |
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| 00:00.39 | Dagmar | You shouldn't scare people with non-sequitirs like that |
| 00:00.50 | Dagmar | I thought for a moment that Twilight had been written by Foster |
| 00:00.54 | Wobin | rofl |
| 00:01.03 | Dagmar | I'd have had to go find him and chew some ass |
| 00:01.17 | Wobin | No, Meyer also writes Scifi though |
| 00:01.29 | Wobin | apparently popular according to bestseller lists |
| 00:01.53 | Dagmar | Probably crap, too unless she was *trying* to write crap when she wrote Twilight |
| 00:01.58 | Wobin | but hell, Matthew Reilly sells well too |
| 00:02.43 | Wobin | and his works are unmitigated disasters |
| 00:02.45 | Corrodias | licks Dagmar |
| 00:03.06 | Wobin | it's like someone saw an action movie at a drive in, from across the road, and decided to write a book adaptation of it |
| 00:03.08 | Dagmar | Um... No comment |
| 00:03.14 | Wobin | and then someone decided to make a movie from that adaptation |
| 00:03.19 | Dagmar | I read those Flinx stories when I was in Jr. High |
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| 00:03.28 | Wobin | and then Matthew Reilly came along and wrote a book adaptation of that movie |
| 00:04.15 | Wobin | I admit he writes good pulp fiction |
| 00:04.46 | Wobin | if you enjoy terrible abuse of deus ex machina, and "Little did he know... but" and "Suddenly!!" |
| 00:05.14 | Wobin | Dagmar: he's still churning the series out |
| 00:07.51 | Wobin | Dagmar: if it's any indication, I read the blurb to SMeyer's scifi book before realising she was the author of Twilight, and absolutely nothing grabbed me out of it. |
| 00:08.14 | Dagmar | Wobin: Yeah I just looked up his biblio because I coulkdn't remember WTF he wrote other than I'd read a lot of it 20 years ago |
| 00:08.19 | Wobin | perhaps not 'realising' but more 'knowing' |
| 00:08.27 | Dagmar | Dude I read Twilight and I felt bad for her |
| 00:08.42 | Dagmar | I read it after my gf did and was appauled by how crap the writing was |
| 00:08.43 | Corrodias | her who, exactly? |
| 00:08.46 | Corrodias | ah, good |
| 00:09.08 | Dagmar | I'm not sure, but it's possible they hired indian ghost writers for that |
| 00:09.15 | Wobin | dead ones? |
| 00:09.29 | Dagmar | Perhaps stage writers who don't ever expect anyone to actually read what they wrote, personally. |
| 00:09.39 | Wobin | maybe she took too much peyote |
| 00:09.48 | Dagmar | Coul dbe |
| 00:09.57 | Kraps | k i signed up to http://www.booksfree.com , gimme some scifi/fantasy names pl0x |
| 00:10.00 | Wobin | could explain the sparkly |
| 00:10.25 | Jerub | Kraps: alastair reynolds. |
| 00:10.27 | Dagmar | Kraps: lol |
| 00:10.31 | Wobin | Kraps: so.. it's like a library? =) |
| 00:10.32 | Jerub | Kraps: iain m banks |
| 00:10.42 | Kraps | yes Wobin |
| 00:10.47 | Jerub | Kraps: (the 'm' is important, he writes as iain banks for non-scifi books) |
| 00:10.58 | Jerub | Kraps: larry niven |
| 00:11.00 | Kraps | more like netflix actially |
| 00:11.02 | Dagmar | Heheheh |
| 00:11.06 | Dagmar | I know something about htis company. :) |
| 00:11.14 | Kraps | orly |
| 00:11.23 | Xyphoid | gene wolfe |
| 00:11.28 | Wobin | Dagmar: good or bad? |
| 00:11.31 | Dagmar | Yeah there was some skullduggery it was recently involved in |
| 00:11.40 | Kraps | :/ |
| 00:11.56 | Dagmar | Kind of neither, all things considered. I was just suprised to see it mentioned because I was told about it this morning |
| 00:11.57 | Xyphoid | greg egan |
| 00:12.08 | Jerub | ah yes, greg egan. |
| 00:12.16 | Dagmar | Kraps: OKay so I'm assuming you've read the Asimov Foundation Trilogy, right? |
| 00:12.21 | Kraps | the other big name has a crap collection |
| 00:12.25 | Kraps | no |
| 00:12.27 | Jerub | Dagmar: ugh. totally dated. |
| 00:12.31 | Dagmar | Whats?!? |
| 00:12.33 | Wobin | Kraps: Snow Crash |
| 00:12.38 | Wobin | (Neal Stephenson) |
| 00:12.38 | Xyphoid | lois mcmaster buhold |
| 00:12.40 | Dagmar | Jerub: It's seminal stuff |
| 00:12.41 | Xyphoid | bujold |
| 00:12.47 | Jerub | snow crash is the only Stephenson book worth reading. |
| 00:12.49 | Wobin | LMB is space opera |
| 00:12.51 | Dagmar | Nah |
| 00:12.53 | Wobin | Diamon Age is pretty good |
| 00:12.55 | Wobin | d |
| 00:13.08 | Jerub | Dagmar: sure, i like classic literature too. |
| 00:13.10 | Jerub | Wobin: meh |
| 00:13.10 | Dagmar | Yeah and the Baroque Cycle stuff isn't half bad |
| 00:13.15 | Dagmar | Jerub: I will bite you |
| 00:13.24 | Wobin | I agree that Snow Crash is my favourite of the lot though |
| 00:13.25 | Xyphoid | dave langford |
| 00:13.27 | Jerub | Baroque Cycle is long and boring. |
| 00:13.28 | Dagmar | Warning: Anathem is _strange_ |
| 00:13.56 | Jerub | i'm reading The Count of Monte Cristo at the moment and realising how awesome books can be when written well. |
| 00:13.57 | Dagmar | Cryptonomicon is almost creepily like being in the dot-com boom. Way much of that was cribbed from realkity |
| 00:14.22 | Wobin | Piers Anthony's Incarnations of Immortality series |
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| 00:14.36 | Jerub | i can't read any of the present day cryptonomicon stuff, it's just so dodgily written. |
| 00:14.53 | Wobin | Elizabeth Moon's Paksenarrion series |
| 00:14.57 | Dagmar | Pfft. If you're going to talk about Xanth might as well throw in Terry Pratchett |
| 00:15.23 | Wobin | Spider Robinson |
| 00:15.25 | Xyphoid | oh god, piers anthony |
| 00:15.31 | Dagmar | Euw... |
| 00:15.31 | Wobin | Dagmar: I assumed he knew Pterry |
| 00:15.35 | Seerah | heh... only 14 "likes" http://www.facebook.com/pages/Opposers-of-the-Opposition-of-Real-ID-on-Blizzard-Forums/111092162272655 |
| 00:15.43 | Wobin | oh and not the Xanth series |
| 00:15.45 | Dagmar | I just looked up his biblio and apparently he's gotten into writing "erotica" in his old age |
| 00:15.46 | Wobin | unless you -love- puns |
| 00:15.49 | Xyphoid | i loved the incarnations books when i was 15 but they're kind of amazingly creepy in retrospect |
| 00:15.55 | Jerub | Alastair Reynolds is probably the best scifi author i've read recently. really neat stuff he's churning out. |
| 00:15.59 | Wobin | oh they're -wonderfully- creepy |
| 00:16.06 | Dagmar | Greg Bear has some kickass scifi |
| 00:16.08 | Wobin | not as creepy as his other series though |
| 00:16.12 | theorbtwo | Ah, I thought about rereading them fairly recently. |
| 00:16.24 | Wobin | The Adept series is goddamn creepy |
| 00:16.26 | Xyphoid | oh yeah, not as much werewolf incest as some of his books |
| 00:16.27 | theorbtwo | The Incarnations, that is, not Xanth. |
| 00:16.34 | Wobin | as is that other one... dolormite? |
| 00:16.37 | Dashkal | Piers's writing is creepy as hell. Part of the appeal. |
| 00:16.56 | Dagmar | Ah here we go.. Greg Bear, Blood Music |
| 00:17.07 | Dashkal | Rather important to understand the difference between reality and fiction reading his work |
| 00:17.16 | Xyphoid | greg bear is pretty cool, i really loved Forge of God and the sequel |
| 00:17.19 | Wobin | ah, the Mode series |
| 00:17.21 | theorbtwo | Blood Music kicks ass. |
| 00:17.28 | Wobin | and Bio of a Space Tyrant |
| 00:17.38 | theorbtwo | I liked Forge of God, but the sequel left me pretty cold somehow. |
| 00:17.39 | Dashkal | Mode was interesting. Inspired me to write my first fractal generator |
| 00:17.46 | Wobin | Dashkal: agreed |
| 00:17.46 | Dagmar | Dashkal: There's the Maker series for that |
| 00:17.55 | theorbtwo | Probably as much my frame of mind as anything else. |
| 00:18.01 | Dashkal | JoCo inspired me to write another... |
| 00:18.03 | Dagmar | ...I mean, if you want to worry about getting reality and the fiction messed up, the Alvin Maker books _really_ twist history |
| 00:18.05 | Wobin | Dashkal: but the further I got through that series, the more creeped out I got =) |
| 00:18.13 | Wobin | Alvin Maker books are awesome |
| 00:18.16 | Xyphoid | the sequel was an odd book, but the space battles are stone cold awesome |
| 00:18.17 | theorbtwo | Mode was, indeed, interesting. I wish it continued further. |
| 00:18.26 | Dashkal | Wobin: That series is super-heavy when you get to the core of the protaganist's issues |
| 00:18.37 | Dagmar | Wobin: Did they ever get that diamond city built? I didn't look into whether or not he got the final book written |
| 00:18.42 | Dashkal | And he doesn't shy away from it. Nor does he glorify it. I thought it was pretty well done |
| 00:19.38 | Xyphoid | vernor vinge |
| 00:19.40 | Xyphoid | should be mentioned |
| 00:19.41 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 00:19.55 | Wobin | there's one other series I'm trying to recall |
| 00:19.59 | Xyphoid | marooned in realtime should put you in tears |
| 00:20.06 | Dagmar | Kraps: Seriously tho. Asimov is a major, major player. If you read anything of his, you need to read the Foundation Trilogy |
| 00:20.07 | Wobin | Oh yes |
| 00:20.11 | Wobin | Christopher Stasheff |
| 00:20.18 | theorbtwo | The Dresden Files is quite good, but I'm not sure it's going to be anything special. |
| 00:20.18 | Wobin | I like his books =) |
| 00:20.21 | Dagmar | Kraps: There's craploads of modern scifi that build upon the rules he wrote |
| 00:20.21 | Dashkal | Hmm, I should read that. I've only read a few Asimov books, though |
| 00:20.34 | theorbtwo | In fact, I stalled halfway through the third book. |
| 00:20.38 | Dagmar | Stasheff... I think I remember those. Something about a wizard |
| 00:20.43 | Wobin | yeah |
| 00:20.46 | Wobin | warlock |
| 00:20.52 | Dagmar | Doh! Yeah you're right |
| 00:20.57 | Wobin | theorbtwo: so did I |
| 00:21.04 | Xyphoid | the dresden files gets a lot of points for me for being relatively short books |
| 00:21.16 | Dagmar | What's that one about hte cupertino coder who gets sucked into an alter-world |
| 00:21.20 | Wobin | his Codex Alera series is suitably epic though |
| 00:21.22 | theorbtwo | I think I prefer Asimov's Robots stories to his Psychistory books. |
| 00:21.26 | Dagmar | I can't remember the name of it, but it's similar in vein |
| 00:21.41 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: Best thing is they mostly mesh together |
| 00:22.08 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Indeed, they do. There's a trilogy of after-his-death books that explore that angle that are pretty good. |
| 00:22.28 | theorbtwo | There's a big bit in the middle of one of them that was stolen from one of he author's other works, though, which annoys me. |
| 00:22.28 | Xyphoid | i was not a fan of meshing together all his books |
| 00:22.45 | theorbtwo | I mean, it's not a bad story, but I've already read it, you know? |
| 00:22.47 | Dagmar | You gotta understand the reason Asimov wrote them |
| 00:22.54 | Dagmar | He was basically exploring scientific theory. |
| 00:23.10 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Well, that, but also it was terribly popular. |
| 00:23.16 | Dagmar | So, as far as his stories were concerned... easier to imagine up one fake universe with one consistent set of rules |
| 00:23.17 | Xyphoid | niven did that well in his early stuff too |
| 00:23.32 | theorbtwo | He actually got roped into continuing the series well after he thought it was finished. |
| 00:23.33 | Dagmar | He also wrote a crapload of cosmology and so forth texts |
| 00:23.39 | Dagmar | Most of which I read as well |
| 00:23.54 | theorbtwo | Xyphoid: That's the core of a lot of hard science fiction. |
| 00:24.01 | Wobin | Dagmar: Saint Vidicon To The Rescue? |
| 00:24.13 | Dagmar | Harry Harrison? |
| 00:24.20 | theorbtwo | Find a reasonable-seeming set of rules, and see where they take you. |
| 00:24.22 | Dagmar | I remember that, but not what from |
| 00:24.43 | Dagmar | Whoa |
| 00:24.47 | Wobin | He also did a Wizard in Rhyme |
| 00:24.48 | theorbtwo | The Mote in God's Eye is exelent, and one of Neiven's semi-autobiographical works suggests it largely worked out that way. |
| 00:24.51 | Wobin | (Stasheff) |
| 00:25.10 | Wobin | where that English professor got transported to the magical dimension |
| 00:25.34 | theorbtwo | Create rules for how shields and FTL work. Figure out what sort of civilization those rules cause. Then figure out how that civilization handles a first contact situation. |
| 00:25.35 | Dagmar | Ah that's right... the warlock and wizard series were separate |
| 00:25.46 | Dagmar | Same author. It confuses mah brain |
| 00:25.54 | Wobin | warlock series was pretty much psychics |
| 00:25.56 | Jerub | oh "The Mote in God's Eye" is one of those books i read at least twice a year |
| 00:26.03 | Jerub | i've destroyed and replaced a copy already. |
| 00:26.07 | Wobin | wizard was "use poetry to cast spells" |
| 00:26.09 | theorbtwo | Sounds like a bad rip-off of The Conettecut Yankee in King Authur's Court. |
| 00:26.12 | theorbtwo | Jerub: So have I. |
| 00:26.14 | Dagmar | Holy crap this is new |
| 00:26.22 | theorbtwo | I wonder if we both got the same bad printing. |
| 00:26.42 | Jerub | theorbtwo: the greeny cover? that falls off real easily? |
| 00:26.54 | Jerub | i replaced it with a book from the same edition |
| 00:27.03 | Dagmar | Wobin: The one I'm thinking of they had to keep code written on multiple sheets of paper because just writing it down on one sheet would make it go off |
| 00:27.03 | theorbtwo | Ah, no. Mine was a black cover, the glue in the spine went. |
| 00:27.15 | Jerub | that was niven and pournelle. |
| 00:27.18 | theorbtwo | Paperback. |
| 00:27.23 | Wobin | Dagmar: doesn't ring a bell |
| 00:27.24 | Dagmar | Okay, looking at hte biblio that's definitely the warlock series I'm thikning of |
| 00:27.26 | Jerub | you really see pournelle's style shine out from the niven fabric. |
| 00:27.44 | theorbtwo | I haven't read much other Pournelle. |
| 00:27.56 | Xyphoid | he's pretty dire alone |
| 00:28.17 | theorbtwo | Niven has written some great stuff, though the later Discworlds not so much. |
| 00:28.26 | Jerub | ringworlds. |
| 00:28.31 | theorbtwo | Er, right, yes. |
| 00:28.34 | Xyphoid | niven/barnes was good too, dream park was great fun |
| 00:28.36 | Wobin | you had me totally confused for a second there =P |
| 00:28.41 | Jerub | you can't buy nivens back catalog. I had to pirate most of it to read it. |
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| 00:28.50 | theorbtwo | Hm, odd. |
| 00:28.55 | Dagmar | That's where books like Accellerando are handy |
| 00:28.59 | theorbtwo | I read most of it from my public library. |
| 00:29.03 | Dagmar | THey're free anyway, and pretty easy to download |
| 00:29.04 | Jerub | his tales of known space are great |
| 00:29.10 | Xyphoid | and yeah don't bother with the current niven/lerner collaborations, they're miserable |
| 00:29.49 | theorbtwo | You can pretty clearly trace how discworld started as a ringworld ripoff / satire, interestingly. |
| 00:29.58 | Dagmar | Yeah but... |
| 00:30.17 | Xyphoid | heh yeah, read Strata, done. |
| 00:30.21 | Wobin | well not -solely- a ringword satire |
| 00:30.24 | Dagmar | Some day a psychoanalyst is going to have very dire things to say to Pratchett about one of his most fleshed-out characters having erm... no flesh |
| 00:30.31 | Dagmar | Bill Door. |
| 00:30.43 | Wobin | Dagmar: he'd better say them soon =( |
| 00:30.55 | Dagmar | Also known as MY NAME IS BILL DOOR |
| 00:30.57 | Wobin | Damn you Early Onset Alzheimers, Damn You =( |
| 00:31.05 | Xyphoid | discworld was entirely parody early on, it's why making a tv adaptation of color of magic was so dumb |
| 00:31.28 | Xyphoid | well done, you just parodied books from the 80s for todays tv audience |
| 00:31.32 | Wobin | personally I didn't like the first two books |
| 00:32.14 | Jerub | when people start on pratchett they ask me which one to read. |
| 00:32.15 | Dagmar | Crap. It wasn't Stasheff... Damnit I will find this book |
| 00:32.19 | Dagmar | Jerub: the first one |
| 00:32.23 | Xyphoid | yeah, i wouldn't recommend them to start with |
| 00:32.31 | Dagmar | Freaking 29 books later... |
| 00:32.37 | Jerub | i generally interview them to see what kind of satire they'll respond to best, and provide the corrosponding book. |
| 00:32.55 | theorbtwo | Hm, I don't know that I've read that discworld book. |
| 00:33.08 | Xyphoid | Mort is where i started, still in my top few |
| 00:33.19 | Jerub | witches abroad, the XXXX one, thief of time are good starting ones |
| 00:33.25 | Jerub | oh, and mort of course. |
| 00:33.27 | theorbtwo | I should, Death is one of my prefered characters. |
| 00:33.42 | Jerub | i like modern vimes best |
| 00:33.53 | Wobin | Dagmar: it sounds vaugely familiar, although I don't know if it's just the mechanism |
| 00:33.57 | Jerub | i read night watch a lot. |
| 00:34.00 | Dagmar | Aha! I finally remembered a unique element about hte book. "Walter Irving Zumwalt" |
| 00:34.12 | Dagmar | Rick Cook, Wizardry Series |
| 00:34.14 | theorbtwo | Hm. I remember Thief of Time rather heavily needing the background of why Susan is messed up. |
| 00:34.29 | Wobin | I dunno if it's -needed- |
| 00:34.41 | Wobin | she'd just come across as a Mary Poppinsesqe character |
| 00:34.48 | Dagmar | Wobin: he's literally a computer programmer who gets summoned elsewhere... and things suck for him until his coder's mind figures out spells can be broken down into opcodes |
| 00:35.49 | Dagmar | All girls named Susan are messed up. |
| 00:36.21 | theorbtwo | You know, I don't know that I've ever actualy met a girl named Susan. |
| 00:36.35 | Xyphoid | how about a boy named sue? |
| 00:36.47 | theorbtwo | My girlfriend's mother is Sue, but I don't think it's short for Susan. |
| 00:36.49 | Dagmar | Christopher Stasheff's most interesing one IMGO was Escape Velocity, because it was so hevily political |
| 00:37.21 | Dagmar | (time to order some food since I can't type for crap now) |
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| 00:38.26 | theorbtwo | I think I'm going to go pick up the replacement Eon that's sitting in the kitchen. |
| 00:38.43 | theorbtwo | Hm, Wikipedia informs me that it's a third of a trilogy. I think I've only read two of them. |
| 00:40.07 | Wobin | oh oh. |
| 00:40.10 | Wobin | Spider Robinson |
| 00:40.23 | Wobin | although you have to be in a certain frame of mind to read his stuff |
| 00:40.28 | Wobin | especially Callahan |
| 00:41.11 | theorbtwo | I reread the Stardance trilogy with my girlfriend a year or two ago, because "Are We Human / or Are We Dancer" kept reminding me of it. |
| 00:41.15 | theorbtwo | So fucking good. |
| 00:41.17 | Dagmar | Never mention you've even heard of that at a con |
| 00:41.24 | theorbtwo | Repetitive, though. |
| 00:41.30 | Dagmar | You will get pigeonholed by people who spend too much time reading |
| 00:42.02 | Jerub | i read peter f. hamilton's pandoras star + judas unchained. |
| 00:42.02 | theorbtwo | As liking reading stories about drunk people? |
| 00:42.20 | Jerub | it would've been a nicer pair of books if there were 90% fewer sex scenes. |
| 00:42.21 | Dagmar | Somfin' like that |
| 00:42.25 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 00:42.27 | Jerub | it was gratutious fucking. |
| 00:42.35 | Wobin | heeh http://book.consumerhelpweb.com/authors/stasheff/0441005608.htm |
| 00:43.05 | foxlit | "Because you rated: JPod (by Douglas Coupland), we recommend: iWork '09 Family Pack (by Apple)" |
| 00:43.11 | foxlit | Way to go Amazon. |
| 00:43.26 | Dagmar | Wobin: Yeah that whole series will pretty much turn you into an anarchist |
| 00:44.09 | Dagmar | that reviewer has issues |
| 00:44.30 | Dagmar | He talks abou Heinlein's _hedonism_ in reference to Rod and Gwen |
| 00:44.56 | Dagmar | ONE incident of Heinlien-typical behaviour would have make Gwen turn Rod into something small and easily stepped on |
| 00:45.18 | Dagmar | Heinlien was seriously into chavanistm |
| 00:45.26 | Dagmar | erm.. s/stm/sm/ |
| 00:46.24 | Wobin | I still advise reading the Lazarous Long series though |
| 00:46.53 | theorbtwo | Hm. Interesting that I never put that together. Chauvinism and Chav clearly share a root, but I don't really think of them together. |
| 00:47.07 | theorbtwo | (Chav is essensially the british term for white trash.) |
| 00:47.08 | Dagmar | hehe chavs |
| 00:47.11 | Wobin | hehe |
| 00:47.15 | Wobin | true, neither did I |
| 00:47.23 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: Yeah juski filled me in on that one |
| 00:47.35 | Wobin | cause hearing Chauvanist in a chav accent doesn't quite work |
| 00:47.50 | Dagmar | I didn't even _know_ British people had slang like that until talking to juski and listening to him go on about the heathens in Manchester |
| 00:48.15 | Wobin | slang like that? |
| 00:48.31 | Dagmar | He told me about this "happy slapping" thing that was going on, and I couldn't help but think they'd not done it to the average southern redneck on a tourist trip |
| 00:48.40 | Dagmar | Wobin: yes, slang like "chav" |
| 00:48.46 | Dagmar | What might as well be racist slang |
| 00:49.08 | Wobin | ... this is the -British- we're talking about, right? |
| 00:49.20 | Dagmar | Seriously tho if you were to just pick some random person on the street here in Nashville and slap them, they'd _drop you_ |
| 00:49.22 | Wobin | they practically invented racism =P |
| 00:49.30 | Dagmar | Well, they hide it well |
| 00:49.40 | theorbtwo | The average brit is sometimes *shockingly* racist. |
| 00:49.51 | Dagmar | Well, yeah, that's one of the things I liked about juski |
| 00:50.06 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: There's a degree of self-selection there, almost certianly. You only know the sort of brits to tend to communicate with Americans, presumably. |
| 00:50.28 | Dagmar | Simmering below the surface of an otherwise mellow person was a bubbling cauldron of spiteful aphorisms and truly imaginative prejudices |
| 00:52.19 | Dagmar | I looked up 'chav' and even on wikipedia the language was crazy |
| 00:53.40 | theorbtwo | Every year or so, there's a slow news day, and stories about devices that shop owners get that put out an obnixious noise that most older people have too damaged hearing to hear. |
| 00:54.05 | theorbtwo | In any sane country, it'd be illegal to use such a device so that it is heard *outside* your shop, on public land. |
| 00:54.16 | Kraps | scrollback |
| 00:54.19 | Dagmar | I like destroying those |
| 00:54.27 | theorbtwo | There's a lot of hate in the UK, and not just toward other racial groups. |
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| 00:56.50 | Kraps | Dagmar: i know Asimov, I, Robot was a cool movie |
| 00:56.55 | Kraps | ducks |
| 00:57.02 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 00:57.17 | Kraps | yes, i know its very loose |
| 00:57.21 | Dagmar | I assume you also saw Bicentennial Man, right? |
| 00:57.25 | Kraps | no |
| 00:57.32 | Dagmar | Dude, I Robot had jack and shit to do with Asimov beyond that there were robots |
| 00:57.44 | Kraps | and 3 laws! |
| 00:57.55 | Dagmar | Bicentennial Man (with Robin Williams) is a much more repdesentative work |
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| 00:58.16 | Wobin | the movie's three laws might have -glanced- at Asimov's work at some point |
| 00:58.18 | Dagmar | They even managed to do a decent job of extending the storyline a bit |
| 00:58.54 | Dagmar | I kept detecting hints of Norby Chronicles in there, so I suspect they had some other Asimovs helping out |
| 00:59.25 | Wobin | I'd say "I, Robot" plot related to the book in the same way the latest "Karate Kid" relates to the original |
| 00:59.34 | Dagmar | Um no |
| 00:59.42 | Dagmar | It's a hell of a lot further than that |
| 00:59.57 | Dagmar | More like Lawnmower Man the movie and Flowers for Algernon |
| 00:59.57 | theorbtwo | "I, Robot" was actually much closer to some of the other books then to anything in I, Robot. |
| 01:00.03 | clever | Dagmar: another similar show ive seen is 'time of eve' and it deals with the robots becoming independant and thinking for themselves |
| 01:00.25 | theorbtwo | That is, there are accepted laws of robotics, and somebody has built a robot that doesn't follow them. |
| 01:00.32 | Dagmar | clever: Is that Anime? |
| 01:00.36 | clever | Dagmar: yeah |
| 01:00.43 | Wobin | Dagmar: more in the sense of "Will Smith shoots a Robot" and "Will Smith's Son Goes To China" might be better names for aformentioned movies =P |
| 01:00.58 | Dagmar | Wobin: You speak truth |
| 01:00.59 | clever | in that show, they had the 3 laws, but it was pointed out that none of the laws prohibit lying |
| 01:01.45 | Dagmar | Seeing as how some website seems to be offering to show me those for free (LEGITIMATELY FREE) I'll pop a quick mail to myself to look into it later tonight |
| 01:02.24 | clever | Dagmar: it was a show that went directly to web streaming |
| 01:02.40 | clever | crunchyroll is one of the legal sites to watch it |
| 01:02.45 | Dagmar | Well, that would explain a few things about how quickly Google turned that up then |
| 01:02.52 | Kraps | foundation looks old |
| 01:03.07 | clever | its only 6 episodes |
| 01:03.08 | Arrowmaster | clever: gah why must you mention that evil site |
| 01:03.22 | Dagmar | Kraps: You mean the foundation trilogy? |
| 01:03.27 | clever | Arrowmaster: yes it is evil, but some people dont like it when i mention illegal stuff |
| 01:03.29 | Kraps | yeah |
| 01:03.40 | clever | Arrowmaster: they demand i give a credit card number just to get the free trial |
| 01:03.41 | Arrowmaster | how long have you been here? |
| 01:03.42 | Dagmar | Kraps: Ahem. I did say I read it in Jr. High school. |
| 01:04.04 | Dagmar | Kraps: Did a book report on it. Fuck the rednecks I went to school with. |
| 01:04.13 | Kraps | lol? |
| 01:04.20 | Dagmar | Some of those people practically wrote book reviews on pamphlets |
| 01:04.28 | Arrowmaster | i think me and Dagmar have probably lost count of the illegal things weve mentioned in this channel right? |
| 01:04.40 | Dagmar | The teacher was like "This is not a book, this is a trilogy." My response was "whatever, I was reading it anywya" |
| 01:04.54 | Dagmar | I actually try to not mention illegal things |
| 01:05.05 | Dagmar | I'm just acutely aware of a lot of them |
| 01:05.10 | Arrowmaster | well you mention illegal things youve done in the past |
| 01:05.15 | Arrowmaster | a lot |
| 01:05.30 | Dagmar | yes, a good long time ago... like, long enough anyone who might be called a "plaintiff" could really not be bothered to care |
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| 01:05.53 | Dagmar | ...and, you know, those "victimless" crimes. :) |
| 01:05.54 | Wobin | "This is not a book, it's a trilogy" is the worst argument ever |
| 01:06.18 | Dagmar | Wobin: yeah. An English teacher in a redneck school wasn't about to challenge me on it |
| 01:06.35 | Dagmar | I'd probably read more books at that point than her entire class put together. |
| 01:06.59 | clever | my mom had trouble reading, so she pushed me into reading alot |
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| 01:07.33 | Dagmar | After awhile I stopped questioning exactly _what_ of Asimov's I was reading. Science fiction, science, didn't much matter |
| 01:07.41 | clever | ive read so many books and other stuff that its just too much to count and list off |
| 01:08.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah i read a lot when i was young but i havent actually read a book in a long time now, and ive not read any of the good classics you only find out about when you get older and get around the right crowds |
| 01:08.27 | Dagmar | clever: You'll get a kick out of this. Last night I spent about four hours beating the hell out of my mythtv box because it was mysteriously ending recordings the moment they started, and logging NO errors of any kind |
| 01:08.39 | Dagmar | clever: turns out things work a lot better when the cable box is turned on |
| 01:08.44 | clever | lol |
| 01:09.02 | clever | mine was crippled by mythfilldatabase today, so it spent 30 minutes trying to tune and start capture |
| 01:09.11 | clever | then aborted |
| 01:09.25 | Dagmar | ouch |
| 01:09.25 | clever | Canceled recording (Recorder Failed) |
| 01:09.29 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-SduY4A2kE |
| 01:09.31 | A-KO | I want one :( |
| 01:09.31 | Arrowmaster | i keep telling myself someday i am going to fucking get and read Dune |
| 01:09.39 | Dagmar | Nah |
| 01:09.43 | clever | Dagmar: i only heard the ir blaster failing 30 minutes into the show |
| 01:09.48 | clever | it uses a webcam to verify the channel |
| 01:09.53 | Dagmar | If you've seen two Dune movies, the books will probably disappoint |
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| 01:10.17 | Arrowmaster | ive seen the two sci-fi channel ones, not the first one |
| 01:10.23 | Dagmar | A-KO: Buy one fast before George Lucas has them outlawed to prevent people from stealing his Jedi |
| 01:10.46 | Dagmar | HOLY CRAP |
| 01:10.52 | Dagmar | I hadn't seen a video of one in use before |
| 01:10.53 | Dagmar | Jesus |
| 01:12.23 | Cecen_ | I'm horrible at UI development, but what widget would I want to show an icon that doesn't support any type of interaction, etc? |
| 01:12.25 | Kraps | Consider Phlebas? |
| 01:12.27 | clever | DAMN!!! |
| 01:12.40 | Jerub | Kraps: iain m banks |
| 01:12.41 | A-KO | lol Dagmar |
| 01:12.43 | A-KO | it's insane isn't it? |
| 01:12.45 | Kraps | yes |
| 01:12.48 | theorbtwo | I quite liked the Dune books, and not so much the David Lynch movie. |
| 01:12.48 | Dagmar | It's INSANE |
| 01:12.50 | Arrowmaster | is that thing safe? |
| 01:12.54 | clever | A-KO: i know exactly what that laser pointer needs |
| 01:12.57 | Jerub | Kraps: yeah, that's one of the culture books, it's good |
| 01:13.12 | Kraps | first one apparently |
| 01:13.41 | clever | A-KO, Dagmar: http://hackaday.com/2010/07/02/coded-safety-for-diy-laser/ |
| 01:13.52 | clever | the laser-pointer wont work until you key a code into a push-button |
| 01:14.12 | clever | 'but we like the fact that an unsuspecting house guest wonât go blind if searching for a flashlight during a storm.' |
| 01:14.13 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I don't think it's safe to be on the same side of hte room as that thing |
| 01:14.54 | clever | ive read about WHY visible lasers are more dangerous then IR ones |
| 01:15.10 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__5CpKlr4-4 < 1W blue laser burning stuff |
| 01:15.11 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:15.12 | Wobin | crazy |
| 01:15.19 | clever | the brain/eye will automaticaly focus on the spot of light, focusing the beam into a single spot on the retina |
| 01:15.29 | A-KO | yeah |
| 01:15.31 | Wobin | the amount of energy required for actual coherance |
| 01:15.31 | A-KO | these things aren't toys |
| 01:15.34 | clever | and it will automaticaly bounce around the dot to see around it |
| 01:15.36 | A-KO | they'll get taken off the market quickly |
| 01:15.39 | clever | burning half the retina up as it goes |
| 01:16.04 | A-KO | that said |
| 01:16.06 | theorbtwo | clever: Hm, I hadn't heard that. |
| 01:16.08 | clever | its almost like the brain/eye where designed to self-dectrust in the precense of a laser |
| 01:16.10 | Wobin | well, that laser is illegal to purchase in Australia |
| 01:16.14 | A-KO | the device is now shipping with safety lense installed |
| 01:16.20 | A-KO | and it comes with eye protection |
| 01:16.25 | clever | theorbtwo: with IR lasers, you have nothing to actualy see, so you wont focus on it |
| 01:16.37 | clever | more likely to just get a bad 'sunburn' on the surface of your eye |
| 01:16.38 | Wobin | after that spate of utter morons using laser pointers to shine in the eyes of oncoming pilots at the airport |
| 01:16.56 | Dagmar | You could shoot htem down with this |
| 01:16.58 | theorbtwo | clever: On the other hand, there's a certian danger of "is this thing on" injuries. |
| 01:17.16 | Wobin | theorbtwo: anyone who looks down the barrel of a laser to 'check if it's on'... |
| 01:17.21 | clever | theorbtwo: yeah, the ir ones can still damage, but they damage a part thats easyer fixed |
| 01:17.41 | clever | and at those power levels, even the reflections of reflections can be dangerous |
| 01:17.42 | theorbtwo | Wobin: Is an idiot, yes. |
| 01:17.46 | A-KO | yeah clever |
| 01:17.49 | A-KO | that's why I won't get one |
| 01:17.49 | A-KO | like |
| 01:17.56 | A-KO | everyone around has to have eye protection--period |
| 01:17.58 | A-KO | it's almost not worth having |
| 01:18.00 | theorbtwo | On the other hand, if you point it at something else to see if it's on, you *can't tell*. |
| 01:18.00 | A-KO | sure it's super awesome |
| 01:18.02 | A-KO | but.....super dangerous |
| 01:18.10 | A-KO | I mean |
| 01:18.20 | A-KO | if someone uses that with liek a pet in the room, a dog, a cat--a kid, anything |
| 01:18.23 | A-KO | it'll seriously fuck some shit up |
| 01:18.30 | A-KO | so it's almost not even worth playing with |
| 01:18.35 | clever | theorbtwo: it would be best paired with a low power visible laser, but then you focus on it and your right back to the original problems |
| 01:18.47 | Arrowmaster | hmm ive got some pet and kid problems that need solving....... |
| 01:19.05 | Wobin | how about a light on the barrel that switches on when the laser is on? =P |
| 01:19.09 | Dagmar | A-Ko: You could use it with a cheap splitter to write your name on a building a half mile away |
| 01:19.09 | clever | Arrowmaster: let them stare at it, or just slice them up with it? :P |
| 01:19.13 | A-KO | lol Dagmar |
| 01:19.22 | Arrowmaster | clever: the latter sounds better |
| 01:19.23 | clever | Wobin: that wont tell you where its pointed if its IR |
| 01:19.24 | A-KO | well |
| 01:19.25 | A-KO | by default |
| 01:19.26 | theorbtwo | Yeah. I really don't want one of those. Give me a high power laser module for making things out of, or a low power laser pointer for playing with. |
| 01:19.31 | A-KO | the smart switch will limit its power |
| 01:19.34 | Wobin | clever: and an arrow! |
| 01:20.00 | Wobin | personally I think it's stupid |
| 01:20.04 | Dagmar | What it needs is a tiny speaker so it can make an appropriate death laser sound when that massive beam comes out |
| 01:20.05 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:20.08 | A-KO | someone on youtube said it best |
| 01:20.15 | Wobin | the majority of people who purchase that won't really use it for anything but play |
| 01:20.16 | A-KO | "there's no way I would ever be able to force myself to use this responsibly." |
| 01:20.17 | A-KO | that's precisely it |
| 01:20.19 | clever | Dagmar: heck yeah! |
| 01:20.28 | Dagmar | hahahh |
| 01:20.42 | clever | it would be great for star gazing |
| 01:20.56 | theorbtwo | clever: Er, how do you mean? |
| 01:21.07 | Dagmar | You could point it right at stars and probably light them up |
| 01:21.07 | clever | theorbtwo: point at a star and you can see the beam all the way up |
| 01:21.10 | Wobin | "Oh look, a falling star" "Oh wait.. THAT'S AN 747-400 CURRENTLY CRASHING" |
| 01:21.17 | theorbtwo | Wobin: Exactly. |
| 01:21.21 | Dagmar | Put a blue dot on the moon |
| 01:21.23 | Arrowmaster | until you blow up a satellite |
| 01:21.25 | theorbtwo | clever: Depends how dusty it is? |
| 01:21.38 | clever | theorbtwo: yeah, it was a fairly foggy night when i was playing with it |
| 01:21.41 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: or bounce a blue dot off the moon |
| 01:21.54 | clever | Dagmar: but if its too powerfull, you might slice the lunar lander module in half up there :P |
| 01:21.55 | theorbtwo | Not great for stargazing, foggy nights. |
| 01:22.09 | clever | and carefull you dont gte the reflector they left up there, it might come back at you |
| 01:22.22 | clever | theorbtwo: yeah, thats why mine is too weak for really using like that |
| 01:22.23 | Dagmar | With the right sound effects you could freak out some hillbillies with that |
| 01:22.38 | Arrowmaster | rolf |
| 01:22.40 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 01:22.50 | Cide | nobody should ever have a personal class 4 laser |
| 01:22.55 | theorbtwo | Just tie your iPhone to your laser, and get the lightsaber app. |
| 01:22.55 | A-KO | Cide: lol |
| 01:22.56 | Cide | that's fucking stupid |
| 01:23.03 | Dagmar | It looks light enough to mount on an RC chopper |
| 01:23.09 | Dagmar | ...or a kite |
| 01:23.15 | A-KO | Dagmar: You could blind everyone who looked at it though |
| 01:23.19 | clever | Cide: thats the kind of thing id build my own DIY laser cutting CNC machine |
| 01:23.23 | Dagmar | Not me... _aliens_ |
| 01:23.26 | A-KO | hahahaha |
| 01:23.27 | theorbtwo | Cide: I wouldn't mind having one to build a laser cutter out of. |
| 01:23.48 | Cide | A-KO, could |
| 01:23.49 | Cide | would |
| 01:23.49 | Dagmar | I have to agree. There's almost no chance I could have such a laser and use it responsibly |
| 01:23.49 | theorbtwo | ...but I wouldn't want to pay for the fancy case, or the fancy switch... |
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| 01:23.54 | Cide | you get blind in less than a second |
| 01:23.58 | Cide | less than the eye's reaction time |
| 01:24.07 | A-KO | yeah Dagmar, precisely why I won't ever own one |
| 01:24.13 | A-KO | it would be practically impossible to use it responsibly :( |
| 01:24.22 | A-KO | I value my eyes too much |
| 01:24.24 | Cide | it's quite easy to blind yourself accidentally |
| 01:24.30 | Wobin | which brings me to my original point |
| 01:24.39 | clever | you would have to put it in a sealed box with a webcam for cutting stuff |
| 01:24.44 | Wobin | what practical use is there for the majority of people for a laser of that strength? |
| 01:24.59 | theorbtwo | Part of a laser cutter kit. |
| 01:25.04 | clever | yep! |
| 01:25.15 | Dagmar | What practical use is there for someoen to drive a Lamborghini on the interstate |
| 01:25.25 | clever | none |
| 01:25.26 | A-KO | that said--guns are pretty dangerous--and if wielded without the proper understanding, can cause serious problems also |
| 01:25.28 | A-KO | but I'll be honest |
| 01:25.34 | A-KO | I'd rather get shot dead than live blinded |
| 01:25.54 | Cide | guns don't kill people from miles away |
| 01:25.55 | clever | A-KO: just classify it as a startrek phaser and cover it under something similar to gun laws :P |
| 01:25.56 | theorbtwo | ...but, again, you don't have any need for the fancy case, or the switch, or half the power supply. |
| 01:26.01 | A-KO | clever: lol |
| 01:26.14 | Arrowmaster | Cide: good ones do |
| 01:26.24 | Cide | are you a trained sniper? |
| 01:26.49 | Arrowmaster | if i told you id have to show you |
| 01:26.57 | Cide | guns don't kill people through looking in the wrong direction |
| 01:27.36 | clever | Cide: thats why you need a gun-sight on the laser pointer |
| 01:27.36 | clever | so you can aim before turning it on |
| 01:27.42 | Cide | no you don't |
| 01:27.44 | A-KO | Cide: It's more to the point that we have had extreme gun safety and gun handling laws for decades--whereas lasers are kind of new territory, give it time. It will be "legal" to have a class 4 laser but I suspect we'll have some pretty serious laws surroudning them. |
| 01:27.49 | Xyphoid | www.wickednervegas.com |
| 01:28.00 | Cide | if there is any risk of aiming the wrong way you shouldn't even consider turning it on |
| 01:28.06 | clever | Cide: but that could just make it even more dangerous, aim for eye, 1 second pulse, nobody knows where it came from |
| 01:28.24 | Cide | exactly |
| 01:28.29 | clever | A-KO: yeah |
| 01:28.30 | Cide | or airplane pilots |
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| 01:28.43 | Cide | fuck laws, just don't make them legal for private use |
| 01:28.45 | Wobin | Cide: that's why that class is illegal to own here |
| 01:28.50 | Cide | there is no point |
| 01:28.55 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 01:29.28 | Cide | it's a lot easier to get away with a split-second from-a-mile-away laser beam than a short-range rifle |
| 01:29.38 | Cide | and lasers don't leave evidence |
| 01:30.02 | clever | Cide: if its too powerfull, it might leave a smoke trail, as it burns up every particle of dust in its way |
| 01:30.08 | theorbtwo | Cide: Sure they do, just different sorts. |
| 01:30.15 | Arrowmaster | were you paying attention to the conversation the other night involving a certain CEO |
| 01:30.22 | Arrowmaster | ive got ideas now |
| 01:30.33 | Cide | theorbtwo, how? |
| 01:30.37 | Xyphoid | i see people are using the green lasers at sports events |
| 01:30.38 | Xyphoid | gg |
| 01:30.46 | theorbtwo | clever: Before that, you've got it leaving a short line segment of burns in the victim. |
| 01:30.47 | Cide | clever, doubtful in this case |
| 01:31.01 | theorbtwo | Possibly on whatever was nearby when you started shooting and missed. |
| 01:31.05 | Cide | that gives you nothing though |
| 01:31.07 | Cide | nothing of the shooter |
| 01:31.11 | Cide | nothing to link the laser to the victim |
| 01:31.13 | Wobin | theorbtwo: nothing that easily matches to a specific gun |
| 01:31.14 | theorbtwo | It gives you the direction. |
| 01:31.17 | Cide | sure |
| 01:31.20 | clever | theorbtwo: yeah, but it might be tricky to figure out the point of origin |
| 01:31.23 | Wobin | not like rifling matching on bullets |
| 01:31.27 | Cide | that's great use when it's a mile away |
| 01:31.30 | clever | theorbtwo: not as simple as shoving a laser pointer in the bullet hole |
| 01:31.43 | Cide | anyway, night |
| 01:31.46 | Wobin | it also doesn't give range |
| 01:32.04 | theorbtwo | There's quite likely only one reasonable point along that line to assume somebody was standing. |
| 01:32.05 | clever | Wobin: you might be able to calculate the distance, based on how weak it was when it reached |
| 01:32.18 | clever | Wobin: but only if you know the original power level |
| 01:32.21 | Wobin | not if you don't know the strength |
| 01:32.24 | Wobin | yeah |
| 01:32.28 | theorbtwo | You might be able to match it to at least a subset by figring out precisely what frequency it was on. |
| 01:32.28 | Wobin | which you don't |
| 01:32.35 | theorbtwo | Especially the minor contributions. |
| 01:32.38 | Wobin | how can you tell the frequency |
| 01:32.43 | Wobin | if you're not there when it's fired |
| 01:32.57 | clever | simpler to work out the distance for the common wattages, like 1w 2w 3w 4w |
| 01:33.07 | theorbtwo | Not sure. It might be possible to tell from the effect on the tissue. |
| 01:33.33 | Wobin | yeah... along with the "Zoom in on that mirror in that camera footage there" |
| 01:33.45 | Wobin | "Zoom in further.. can you clarify that image? *click*" |
| 01:33.49 | clever | theorbtwo: if the person survives, the healing would probly damage that evidence quickly |
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| 01:34.08 | Wobin | you'd only get that in TV CSI =P |
| 01:34.31 | A-KO | Wobin: "Enhance!" |
| 01:35.26 | Wobin | A-KO: shh, they could be watching us now |
| 01:35.37 | Kraps | in Lie To Me, the guy says "do that thing" |
| 01:35.37 | Wobin | this is, after all, where hackers hang out when we don't want to be overheard |
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| 01:44.15 | Wobin | http://www.worldoforgans.com/store-locator.html |
| 01:45.35 | foxlit | I presume there's a reason that site is so blatantly trying to get people to notice the word organ? |
| 01:46.59 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nDmM3qrm8o |
| 01:47.12 | Wobin | foxlit: he likes them, apparently |
| 01:47.36 | foxlit | my trickery sense is tingling. |
| 01:49.52 | Wobin | He seems like such a genuine chap! |
| 01:52.47 | airtonix | is it powerful enough for propulsion ? |
| 01:55.24 | Kraps | dresden files is scifi? |
| 01:55.42 | Thunder_Child | was :( |
| 01:55.50 | Kraps | ? |
| 01:56.05 | Thunder_Child | it ended |
| 01:56.15 | Xyphoid | fantasy is part of SF, kind of |
| 01:56.20 | Kraps | k |
| 01:56.23 | Xyphoid | all depends on the context of what you're talking about |
| 01:56.35 | theorbtwo | Kraps: Er, there's the books and the tv series. |
| 01:56.41 | Kraps | so its fantasy? |
| 01:56.41 | Thunder_Child | oh Kraps, i thought you meant channel |
| 01:56.47 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: yes |
| 01:56.48 | Kraps | the books |
| 01:56.49 | theorbtwo | The two are more or less loosely related. |
| 01:56.54 | Thunder_Child | there is nothing with advanced tech |
| 01:57.08 | Thunder_Child | or anything else that defines sci-fi |
| 01:57.10 | theorbtwo | Er, both are fantasy with noir elements, not sf at all. |
| 01:57.29 | theorbtwo | However, they were vaugely made into a tv series on scifi, the network. |
| 01:57.32 | Kraps | whats Xanth like? |
| 01:57.38 | Xyphoid | terrible |
| 01:57.46 | Xyphoid | read it after you've read everything else good |
| 01:57.47 | theorbtwo | Kraps: Pun-heavy and juvinile. |
| 01:58.12 | Dagmar | agreed |
| 01:58.14 | Kraps | maybe thats the point? |
| 01:58.21 | Dagmar | Not really |
| 01:58.24 | theorbtwo | Interestingly, the dresden files series seems to take the setting pretty closely, but none of the plot, or almost none. |
| 01:58.38 | Dagmar | What? |
| 01:58.45 | Dagmar | HARRY HAS A GODDAMN CORDLESS PHONE IN THE SHOW |
| 01:58.52 | Kraps | lol |
| 01:59.03 | theorbtwo | Kraps: Yeah, that's the point, pretty much. |
| 01:59.13 | Dagmar | When I saw it my first thought was "Where the hell is all this sunlight coming from?" |
| 01:59.48 | theorbtwo | I saw the series first, and only recently started reading the books, so I'm seeing it from a different viewpoint. |
| 01:59.56 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: Like, episode seven or so of that one season they made is a bit different from the others, because it was originally the pilot |
| 02:00.11 | Dagmar | It's why his workshop is actually in the basement and os on |
| 02:00.31 | Kraps | this site is a bit wonky but we'll see how the service is |
| 02:00.37 | Dagmar | After that they decided it needed to be glammed up, so they gutted the storyline and character development and got down to fucking it's corpse in earnest |
| 02:00.51 | theorbtwo | He's a bit less bad for technology, the workshop isn't in the basement. Those aren't huge differences. |
| 02:01.24 | Dagmar | There's no way Harry Dresden from the books could keep a cordless phone, let alone the number of cell phones people use around him |
| 02:01.37 | theorbtwo | Bob is fairly different, what with being able to project a ghost-like body, but it wouldn't really work for television to just have a talking skull. |
| 02:01.47 | Dagmar | It would have been chaper. |
| 02:01.51 | Dagmar | ...er cheaper. |
| 02:02.03 | theorbtwo | Also, in one episode we learn he used to be human, which is quite different. |
| 02:02.07 | Dagmar | ...and Bob from the books is a letch. Note the lack of that in the series |
| 02:02.19 | Dagmar | That was made up from whole cloth |
| 02:02.33 | Dagmar | The Dresden Files show is not _bad_, but it has almost nothing in common with the Jim Butcher books |
| 02:02.52 | theorbtwo | The big difference is that the series is confined to plots that you can get some progress in, if not wrap up, in an hour-long show. |
| 02:03.16 | Dagmar | I b'leev that's generally called "munchkinized" |
| 02:03.44 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: And I think you are overemphsizing the differences. |
| 02:03.56 | Dagmar | Dresden Files S02E03 Harry Unclogs A Drain.avi |
| 02:04.27 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: I think the core things that make Harry different from the average person are almost entirely absent from the show |
| 02:05.06 | Dagmar | That's a pretty material difference |
| 02:05.21 | Dagmar | There's a reason it barely managed one season |
| 02:05.35 | Kraps | so far i have the foundation series, revelation space series and maybe the dresden series |
| 02:05.55 | Kraps | foundation trilogy to be exact |
| 02:06.05 | Dagmar | There were two reactions to it at SF cons... there were the people who'd never read the books, and a bunch of "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!" |
| 02:07.03 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: I think the reason it barely managed one season is that Jim Butcher writes long, complicated plots in his books, full of mystery, and writes terribly cramped episodes. |
| 02:07.54 | theorbtwo | There's not room for much complication in an hour. |
| 02:09.24 | Kraps | oh shit i forgot lotr! |
| 02:14.26 | Kraps | revelation space has like 700 pages a book |
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| 02:25.36 | Kraps | Welcome to purpll! |
| 02:25.37 | Kraps | Your password is: |
| 02:25.39 | Kraps | On purpll you can find gay friends nearby for fun and flirting! |
| 02:25.41 | Kraps | WTF |
| 02:25.55 | Kraps | NOOOOOOOOO |
| 02:28.36 | Kraps | wtf do i do with this |
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| 02:31.45 | Kraps | question: i'm in the 3rd part of max payne 2, should i stop and get MP1 or finish and play it as a prequel? |
| 02:38.36 | Wobin | Codex Alera is pretty good |
| 02:38.41 | Wobin | Also Jim Butcher |
| 02:38.44 | Wobin | but more fantasy |
| 02:38.53 | Wobin | (not urban fantasy) |
| 02:39.45 | Wobin | theorbtwo: I think that's why I stopped reading Jim Butcher |
| 02:39.51 | Wobin | the density of the plots got to me |
| 02:43.07 | Kraps | "epic fantasy of political and military intrigue" interesting |
| 02:44.41 | Jerub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw&feature=related |
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| 02:58.59 | cog|away | (finally) |
| 03:03.23 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Cataclysm Closed Beta Test Begins http://cot.ag/9v2zkv || Cata beta download category & forum now open http://cot.ag/ci9MHP || WoWI Forum Reorg: http://cot.ag/9V9Gmi |
| 03:09.55 | Shirik | cog|away |
| 03:09.56 | Shirik | ohi |
| 03:15.55 | frontendloader | DBM works cross game over realid lol |
| 03:16.03 | frontendloader | whispering a friend from SC2B - (Daiki): <Deadly Boss Mods> Daiki is busy fighting against The Lich King (58%, 27/27 people alive) |
| 03:16.25 | frontendloader | I mean its not surprising yeah, but its still neat. |
| 03:16.32 | Shadowed | huh is SC2 up? |
| 03:16.39 | frontendloader | Yes it is. |
| 03:17.43 | Shadowed | Hrm, I get prepaid time is up errors |
| 03:19.25 | Shirik | owned |
| 03:19.44 | Shadowed | I'm not going to be realid friends with you anymore |
| 03:19.44 | Shadowed | you're mean |
| 03:19.46 | Jerub | hehehe, i'm halfway to a gold badge for my snark on this question http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3189490/streaming-1gb-file-in-python/3192290#3192290 |
| 03:19.55 | Cralor` | SC2 patch is... not servers |
| 03:20.41 | Shadowed | No it seems to actually be up |
| 03:20.55 | Cralor` | :( says can't connect |
| 03:21.06 | Shadowed | Try again, it's definitely up for some people is what I'm seeing |
| 03:21.14 | Cralor` | :S ok |
| 03:22.19 | Cralor` | ah... Run as Admin :) answer to everything |
| 03:26.42 | Cralor` | Look what Intel sent me : http://cgullz.com/2010/07/intel-mission-unlock-overclock/ |
| 03:27.02 | Cralor` | P.S. I could use some Optimization assistance :D |
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| 03:39.29 | Cecen_ | Does anyone know if an event is raised when a new entity appears (i.e. Rogue popping stealth, Shaman dropping totems) |
| 03:48.18 | Slaren | i don't know, but seems very unlikely |
| 03:51.09 | Cecen_ | Actually nevermind |
| 03:51.11 | Cecen_ | I can just check the spell |
| 03:59.43 | Arrowmaster | there is one for totems but its only when they are in your party/raid |
| 03:59.47 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 04:01.51 | Kraps | wtf where do i go in hl2? |
| 04:02.20 | Kraps | im in the town "square" |
| 04:03.15 | Surehand | First level? |
| 04:03.38 | Kraps | yes |
| 04:03.49 | Kraps | after arivall |
| 04:04.15 | Surehand | Ally on the right if I recall correctly |
| 04:04.50 | Arrowmaster | so opening my computer case and blowing what looked like a minor amount of dust off my heatsink has lowered my cpu temp by 8-10C |
| 04:05.00 | Arrowmaster | maybe i should put some more fans in this case |
| 04:05.04 | clever | Kraps: after getting off the train go thru the gates, waiting area, and then the gate in the fence with the baddies guarding it |
| 04:05.17 | Kraps | im after that |
| 04:05.30 | Kraps | outside the building |
| 04:05.30 | clever | ah yeah |
| 04:05.40 | clever | there is a garbage bin down an alley |
| 04:05.49 | clever | jump up and onto the balcony and over the fence |
| 04:06.08 | Kraps | ah |
| 04:06.33 | clever | i think its just to the right after you leave the building you came from |
| 04:06.37 | eidolarr | any bass players? |
| 04:07.15 | Kraps | friggin utopia here |
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| 04:16.05 | Kraps | soda machinE secret door says WUUUUUT |
| 04:18.30 | eidolarr | Kraps: make sure you don't stop halfway, the end is the best part |
| 04:34.30 | Hjalte | Grrr. I logged in to Games for Windows in a game I bought on Steam which made the game switch to another user profile. Now I can't seem to get my old save back. |
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| 04:37.30 | Kraps | am i stupid or is this game too hard? |
| 04:37.43 | Kraps | im at the trains |
| 04:37.58 | Kraps | wtf am i supposed to do? |
| 04:41.01 | Jerub | so uh. i ran H POS two days in a row |
| 04:41.13 | Jerub | and i rolled need on tyranical beheader both times...for my OS |
| 04:41.20 | Jerub | can a warrior actually use that weapon twice? is that sane? |
| 04:41.33 | Mirrormn | dual wield it? sure |
| 04:41.42 | Mirrormn | they're not unique |
| 04:42.07 | Kraps | clever: |
| 04:42.32 | Wobin | Jerub: absolutely. Titan's Grip ftw |
| 04:42.52 | Jerub | Wobin: there's no rules like, "use a fast weapon in offhand" like there is for rogues is there? |
| 04:42.57 | clever | Kraps: get in one of the train cars and climb ontop |
| 04:43.12 | clever | Kraps: then get over the car to the other side and go thru another fence and down the stairs |
| 04:43.22 | clever | its a giant puzzle game |
| 04:43.34 | Mirrormn | what game is this? |
| 04:43.43 | clever | half life 2 |
| 04:43.50 | Mirrormn | ah |
| 04:43.54 | Mirrormn | that is a great game |
| 04:44.06 | Mirrormn | but yes it is slightly more puzzle-oriented than your usual FPS |
| 04:44.11 | Wobin | Jerub: there is no fast two hander =P |
| 04:44.15 | Wobin | ~x en jp Brushing your teeth immediately after meals is bad for you because it strips the enamel |
| 04:45.29 | clever | ãããã¿ |
| 04:47.25 | Jerub | ~x en zh No. Never. I will never love you. |
| 04:47.43 | Wobin | ~x en jp Drop the toothbrush or you'll never see your children again |
| 04:47.54 | clever | ~x jp en ãããã¿ |
| 04:47.55 | Wobin | ~x en jp Drop the toothbrush or you will never see your children again |
| 04:48.12 | clever | it seems to fail at jpn->eng |
| 04:48.30 | Mirrormn | how do we know it doesn't fail the other way around too? |
| 04:48.42 | clever | Mirrormn: good point |
| 04:49.04 | clever | the eng isnt even valid characters, while the jpn looks atleast semi-valid |
| 04:49.04 | Wobin | well that line translates back to: Never see your child again or you lose a tooth |
| 04:49.23 | clever | ~x en jp one |
| 04:49.48 | clever | ~x en jp water |
| 04:49.51 | Mirrormn | ~x jp en 㤠|
| 04:50.00 | clever | æ°´ |
| 04:50.11 | clever | yeah, it seems to get the same as when i type the japanese word myself |
| 04:50.22 | Mirrormn | ~x jp en æ°´ |
| 04:50.48 | Mirrormn | well that definitely seems broken |
| 04:50.55 | clever | its probly an encoding problem |
| 04:51.56 | clever | ~x jp en $B?e(B |
| 04:52.12 | clever | nope, it doesnt like sjis |
| 04:52.39 | clever | ~x jp en æ°´ |
| 04:53.42 | Mirrormn | ~x jp en æ¯ |
| 04:54.16 | clever | i'm off to bed now |
| 04:54.48 | Arrowmaster | clever: ofcourse it wouldnt like sjis its outputting utf8 |
| 04:54.59 | clever | Arrowmaster: yet when i feed it utf8, it barfs :P |
| 04:55.10 | Arrowmaster | right because its not actually using utf8 |
| 04:55.23 | Arrowmaster | its just blindly transmitting it |
| 04:55.25 | clever | i was thinking that my client was being overly smart and handling any input |
| 04:56.23 | clever | its hard to tell what encoding its in when the client magicaly 'just works' |
| 04:56.54 | Mirrormn | maybe it outputs utf8 japenese characters but it only accepts japanese in a phonetic format? |
| 04:57.11 | clever | ~x jp en oyasumi |
| 04:57.16 | Arrowmaster | its just using google i think |
| 04:57.24 | Wobin | not sure |
| 04:57.32 | Wobin | various translations end up different |
| 04:57.39 | clever | ~x jp en nippon |
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| 04:57.52 | clever | Mirrormn: nope, its not even trying to translate now |
| 04:57.58 | Mirrormn | indeed |
| 04:57.59 | Arrowmaster | well its probably sending with a certain charset so when you put utf8 the other end gets messed up |
| 05:01.45 | Shirik | trial accounts can't get to dalaran? |
| 05:02.16 | Mirrormn | wotlk trial? |
| 05:06.53 | Wobin | Shirik: I've heard something to that effect |
| 05:07.05 | Shirik | how do you define "wotlk trial" |
| 05:07.22 | Mirrormn | the one where you can make a death knight |
| 05:07.49 | Shirik | there's a difference? |
| 05:08.09 | Wobin | to a BC trial and a vanilla trial? |
| 05:08.17 | Mirrormn | well I don't think you can get a trial client other than the wotlk now |
| 05:08.29 | Mirrormn | but there were obviously previous ones |
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| 05:09.49 | Wobin | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/trial/splash.html ? |
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| 05:33.42 | Shirik | I see now |
| 05:33.46 | Shirik | thanks |
| 05:34.16 | ZorbaTHut | whoa nice talent changes |
| 05:34.49 | Shirik | lua> ("a"):rep(1/0) |
| 05:34.49 | lua_bot | Shirik: No output |
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| 05:38.27 | wulfgar|laptop | simple question. best UI pack for current version of wotlk ? |
| 05:38.37 | wulfgar|laptop | class independent |
| 05:38.45 | Shirik | make your own |
| 05:39.17 | Shirik | find something you want/need, add it |
| 05:39.23 | Shirik | next thing you want/neeed, add it |
| 05:39.25 | Shirik | fully customized |
| 05:39.50 | wulfgar|laptop | Shirik, thanks |
| 05:40.28 | wulfgar|laptop | suggestions for "must haves" |
| 05:40.33 | wulfgar|laptop | ? |
| 05:40.57 | Mirrormn | it depends on what you're satisfied with the default UI doing |
| 05:41.40 | Mirrormn | but generally you'd want at least an action bar addon, and player/target/raid frames addon |
| 05:41.59 | Mirrormn | and maybe a titanpanel type thing |
| 05:43.07 | NiLon | default ui is enough for everything, so there's no really "must haves" |
| 05:43.33 | NiLon | it's just question how much candy you like to have |
| 05:43.48 | Mirrormn | but there are many things that addons do so much better |
| 05:44.37 | NiLon | depens about role aswell |
| 05:44.55 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:At_first_glance_he_looks_very_fiarce,_but_he_s_really_a_nice_person.jpg |
| 05:46.21 | Mirrormn | personally, I use Dominos for actionbars, X-Perl for player and target frames, Grid for raid frames, ElkBuffBars for buffs/debuffs, Quartz for casting, MikScrollingBattleText for combat text, PowerAuras for proc notices and other things |
| 05:46.47 | Mirrormn | Deadly Boss Mods for boss encounters |
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| 05:52.41 | wulfgar|laptop | awesome thanks Mirrormn |
| 05:54.33 | Mirrormn | forgot about ArkInevntory for bags and TidyPlates w/ ThreatPlates for nameplates |
| 05:54.54 | Mirrormn | although I've been hearing that the current release of ThreatPlates is horribly buggy |
| 05:55.39 | wulfgar|laptop | question |
| 05:55.47 | wulfgar|laptop | actionbars |
| 05:55.59 | wulfgar|laptop | some have very attractive gui elements |
| 05:56.22 | wulfgar|laptop | do you know of any minimalistic releases ? |
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| 05:58.39 | Mirrormn | I really only know the addons I use, I haven't done any comparisons for a long time |
| 05:59.40 | Mirrormn | dominos seems pretty lightweight, though |
| 06:00.38 | Fisker | Shirik Shirik Shirik |
| 06:06.16 | Shirik | Fisker Fisker Fisker |
| 06:07.00 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 06:07.07 | Shirik | no Fisker |
| 06:07.11 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 06:08.32 | Wobin | is it username+randomgibberish@email.com |
| 06:08.41 | Wobin | or randomgibberish+username@email.com |
| 06:08.53 | Fisker | second |
| 06:08.59 | Fisker | and it requires that your provider supports it |
| 06:09.06 | Fisker | also some faggots fail at regex |
| 06:09.15 | Fisker | err |
| 06:09.17 | Fisker | first actually |
| 06:10.12 | Shirik | Fisker is totally wrong |
| 06:10.14 | Shirik | it's the first |
| 06:10.22 | Jerub | Fisker: i recently found out why faggot is a rude word meaning homosexual. |
| 06:10.44 | Jerub | Fisker: because in the dark ages, they did witches the dignity of typing them to a stake, gay men they just bundled up with a faggot of wood and set them alight. |
| 06:11.05 | Wobin | did they weigh them against a duck? |
| 06:11.09 | Jerub | Fisker: as a result i'm finding it one of those rude words that causes me to actually feel offended :/ |
| 06:12.03 | Fisker | Shirik i just got up and i can't read :( |
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| 06:19.45 | Dagmar | Fisker: I have to ask this... Your 'nym... Does it have anything to do with Fisker autos? |
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| 06:20.54 | Shirik | auto Fisker = NULL; |
| 06:20.58 | Shirik | ^ valid C++0x |
| 06:20.59 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 06:21.15 | Dagmar | Jerub: Actually there's a South Park episode that covers the history of that word pretty well |
| 06:21.47 | Dagmar | The kids start calling bikers with ridiculously loud motorcycles 'fags' and it causes quite a stir |
| 06:22.03 | Dagmar | ...up to and including a confrontation with Big Gay Al. |
| 06:22.13 | Mirrormn | hahaha |
| 06:22.15 | Dagmar | "He's not a faggot, he's just gay." |
| 06:22.24 | Mirrormn | and Butters is bike-curious |
| 06:22.31 | Dagmar | Yes. That was awesome. |
| 06:23.12 | Dagmar | (I also say this knowing some bikers take it to overkill levels, but largely those loud tailpipes are the only way a lot of drivers have any idea a motorcycle rider is there) |
| 06:23.44 | Dagmar | Hell I ride a scooter to work half the time, and since I added a 100W stereo to it to make some damn noise, I have not had any more SUVs trying to squish me |
| 06:24.11 | Fisker | no Dagmar |
| 06:24.21 | Dagmar | Just a Dutch name thing then? |
| 06:24.35 | Wobin | it's cause he likes fish |
| 06:24.44 | Adys | Wobin: +randomgibberish |
| 06:24.50 | Wobin | Adys: ta |
| 06:24.53 | Dagmar | I've been wondering about it awhile now, and then Wired did a story on them today, and it reminded me I wanted to ask |
| 06:25.01 | Wobin | fish? |
| 06:25.14 | Adys | and it doesn't require the provider supports it, it only requires the mail daemon supports it |
| 06:25.36 | Dagmar | No, they did a story on Fisker Automotive, because they're coming out with a battery-powered sportscar with a 90g pricetag |
| 06:25.38 | Adys | some provider just follow the "convention" |
| 06:26.04 | Adys | 90g for a car? cheap, my mount costed twice that |
| 06:26.12 | Dagmar | Adys: Virtually all SMTP daemons support it because it's in the RFC |
| 06:26.18 | Dagmar | 90 grand |
| 06:26.23 | Adys | Dagmar: it is? |
| 06:26.27 | Dagmar | Adys: yes. |
| 06:26.54 | Dagmar | There's actually a LOT of weird crap in the RFC which is part of the reason mail daemons are a lot more complex than just username@domain |
| 06:26.56 | Adys | last I heard it was originally a bug with some daemon which people got used to |
| 06:27.04 | Adys | yea i remember that .... |
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| 06:28.52 | Fisker | so any news on Real ID integration on the forums or are Blizzard still licking their wounds? |
| 06:29.02 | Dagmar | Still nothing |
| 06:29.17 | Mirrormn | licking their wounds? in what sense? |
| 06:29.18 | Dagmar | ...and that primary thread is *still* clocking 19 responses a minute |
| 06:29.56 | Dagmar | I talked to all but one WoW player in the office today. No one thinks it's a good idea. |
| 06:29.56 | Fisker | Mirrormn having people find and harass the CM's, CM's being being inconsiderate to opposing views and then get called on it, etc. |
| 06:30.11 | Fisker | Wryxian on the EU first called us "Scaremongerers" |
| 06:30.29 | Dagmar | That would be a sign that person hasn't been on the internet very long, relatively speaking |
| 06:30.32 | Mirrormn | I did hear that 4chan was playing around with some CM's real name |
| 06:30.43 | Dagmar | Yeah and it might not even be their real name |
| 06:31.04 | Fisker | Anyways i got pissed and told him not to call people with opposing views for scaremongerers |
| 06:31.10 | Dagmar | The stuff they're saying they *could* do is pretty much all right down the middle tho |
| 06:31.17 | Fisker | in the end he argue he was still technically correct because our arguments spread fear! |
| 06:31.20 | Fisker | argued* |
| 06:31.48 | Mirrormn | I must say, I kind of agree with the CM |
| 06:31.49 | Wobin | wouldn't that make Blizzard scaremongerers too? |
| 06:31.53 | Dagmar | Back in the 90's when most IRC users were doing it from colleges, if someone dicked with #Rave and I could finger their account and find out their real name... I could generally bring them to heel very easily after that |
| 06:31.58 | Fisker | In which case i told him, as per the definition of the word, scaremongerering means needlessly spreading fear, so if anyone was trolling this thread it was him |
| 06:31.58 | Wobin | since I'm very much scared about what they're proposing |
| 06:32.00 | Fisker | :3 |
| 06:32.04 | Xinhuan | i wonder if this is a test of forum software that it can handle more than 32767 forum replies to 1 thread |
| 06:32.20 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: Hilarious idea, but doubtful |
| 06:32.23 | Fisker | To which he caved and simply stated "We will collect feedback and send it on etc." |
| 06:32.36 | Wobin | Fisker: which is all they can do, realistically |
| 06:32.38 | Fisker | Xinhuan i actually believe in the past it couldn't |
| 06:32.43 | Fisker | i know Wobin |
| 06:32.53 | Fisker | i'm not blaming him for not being able to change it or anything |
| 06:32.54 | Xinhuan | cos its now at post number 34752 or something |
| 06:33.01 | Wobin | personally, I'm hoping this is a scheme by some of the middle management |
| 06:33.03 | Xinhuan | even blizzard moderators can't read that fast |
| 06:33.05 | Mirrormn | well I mean, I'm sure they already knew there would be a large public backlash |
| 06:33.12 | Fisker | But i was pretty pissed when he entered the thread by calling us scaremongerers |
| 06:33.21 | Wobin | so they take the thread. And print it out. |
| 06:33.31 | Dagmar | Oh the poor trees |
| 06:33.32 | Wobin | so they can go to the board, who proposed this and dump it on the table and say "This is what your community thinks of your idea" |
| 06:33.45 | Dagmar | s/proposed/dictated/; |
| 06:33.50 | Wobin | yeah |
| 06:34.01 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure enough Blizz devs have been around long enough that they voiced objections from the start |
| 06:34.29 | Wobin | anyone who has had any sort of exposure to the internet and what it can do, should voice objection |
| 06:35.02 | Fisker | the fun part is that ancilcorn just left the EU community team a few days prior |
| 06:35.25 | Fisker | Someone (unknowingly aware of the implications) asked if it was because of the Real ID change (i.e ingame) |
| 06:35.29 | Fisker | all those posts got deleted |
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| 06:35.44 | Wobin | woops =P |
| 06:36.14 | Dagmar | That *might* have been damage control, but even on the basis of rumormongering I can't disagree with nuking those |
| 06:36.53 | Dagmar | It would just make people angrier and less likely to make reasonable points. |
| 06:37.08 | Fisker | To be honest if they hadn't deleted those posts i would've been much more likely to just consider it rumor |
| 06:37.13 | Wobin | I'm pretty sure all the points have been covered |
| 06:37.17 | Wobin | by now =P |
| 06:37.32 | Wobin | at least until someone sues Blizzard cause they got stalked |
| 06:37.50 | Dagmar | I'm thinking I'll give it two more days before I finally drop a better summation on the forums, and I'll *probably* step way outside my usual level of paranoia and do the whole thing as a webcam speech on Youtube at the same time |
| 06:38.07 | Wobin | Dagmar: make sure you cover yourself with a blanket |
| 06:38.10 | Dagmar | I am not afraid of putting my face up with my words, but my birth name is an entirely different matter |
| 06:38.14 | Wobin | and layer on the eyeshadow |
| 06:38.26 | Wobin | or eyeliner |
| 06:38.29 | Dagmar | Wobin: Right now just my haircut would be enough |
| 06:38.39 | Wobin | "LEAVE REALID ALONE!!" |
| 06:39.24 | Dagmar | I have *always* been picky about my appearance. "Metrosexual" isn't far off the mark, but right now my head is shaved with a #2 guard because I had an accident yesterday while cutting my hair. The damn guard came off and I wound up with about a one inch sized bald spot |
| 06:39.28 | airtonix | hi i just returned from 1935 where i visited berlin... did i change history ? |
| 06:39.42 | Dagmar | Airtonix: Hitler is still doing latenight comedy |
| 06:39.58 | airtonix | as it should be |
| 06:40.03 | Dagmar | If you were trying to stop his bad jokes, you failed |
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| 06:41.25 | Dagmar | Wobin: Without mah hair to balance it out, I look more than a little bit like a thug. :/ |
| 06:41.51 | Dagmar | It's not even long enough to be considered a perl coder haircut |
| 06:42.03 | Wobin | wear a wig |
| 06:42.08 | Wobin | a ronald mcdonald one |
| 06:42.20 | Dagmar | Nah. The pirate flag in the background should be enough. :) |
| 06:42.37 | Wobin | only if you speak pirate in the video =P |
| 06:42.48 | Dagmar | Not sure that would be appropriate |
| 06:42.57 | Dagmar | Now, if I were lecturing Ubisoft, maybe |
| 06:42.59 | Wobin | we're looking for appropriate? |
| 06:43.12 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 06:43.49 | Dagmar | I'm jaded, but still naive enough to think that carefully reasoned arguments can get through to reasonable people and affect real change. |
| 06:43.57 | Dagmar | 'cuz sometimes it actually works. |
| 06:44.56 | Dagmar | I find it disturbing that through most of that epic thread, no one seems to have a real idea of privacy as a thing separate from anonymity |
| 06:45.00 | Dagmar | That's a _problem_. |
| 06:45.15 | Wobin | sigh =P http://nationalfilter.net.au/component/poll/1-support-poll.html |
| 06:45.19 | Dagmar | I don't think one can actually address this issue properly without that information firmly in their heads. |
| 06:45.47 | Dagmar | Wobin: Hahaha |
| 06:46.34 | Mirrormn | is that real? |
| 06:46.47 | Dagmar | Have you ever looked at a Slashdot poll? |
| 06:47.08 | Mirrormn | nope |
| 06:47.20 | Dagmar | Online polls are always dubious |
| 06:47.22 | Wobin | Mirrormn: no, it's a spoof, but it's probably close to what they had out =P |
| 06:47.50 | Wobin | since every single argument levelled at Conroy ends up with the response "You're not thinking of the children, you must be a pedophile" |
| 06:47.55 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=2010&aid=-1 |
| 06:48.23 | Dagmar | Out of 24,038 votes, almost 3,000 people think NASA needs to plan a mission to a nonexistant planet |
| 06:49.38 | Mirrormn | I don't see how that connects to the previous poll |
| 06:49.51 | Wobin | <Dagmar> Online polls are always dubious |
| 06:50.01 | Mirrormn | isn't the joke the presentation, not the results? |
| 06:50.14 | Dagmar | I can see _average people_ giving those kinds of answers |
| 06:50.18 | Jerub | fuck senator fucking goddamn conroy |
| 06:50.23 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 06:51.15 | Wobin | Minister for the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy |
| 06:51.20 | Wobin | it apparently has nothing to do with IT |
| 06:51.40 | Wobin | The internet has run free long enough! |
| 06:51.48 | Wobin | It's time for all proper Australians to take a stand |
| 06:51.51 | airtonix | time to active protocol nien! |
| 06:51.51 | Wobin | and ignore bad things |
| 06:52.04 | Wobin | If we ignore it hard enough, it will GO AWAY |
| 06:52.09 | Wobin | and our children will be safe |
| 06:52.10 | Dagmar | It shows he does not understand why the internet works. |
| 06:52.11 | airtonix | hands Wobin a meat pie and a beer |
| 06:52.15 | Wobin | Won't -someone- think of the children? |
| 06:52.33 | Dagmar | I'm too busy thinking of the lazy parents |
| 06:52.38 | Wobin | pft |
| 06:52.53 | airtonix | Dagmar, i suggest you use the gaffle tape on subject seven. |
| 06:52.54 | Wobin | Parent's should not have to worry about things like -raising- their kids |
| 06:52.54 | Dagmar | If you dont' let your kid run around the city unchaperoned, you shoudln't be letting your kid on the internet without you watching |
| 06:53.11 | Dagmar | It *is* the biggest damn neighborhood in existance |
| 06:53.25 | Wobin | cries softly in the corner |
| 06:53.46 | airtonix | hey guys if you're stuck in a nuclear blast zone... where would you hide ? |
| 06:53.47 | Wobin | looks like the Greens are going to get the IT industry's vote this election |
| 06:53.49 | Dagmar | Muahahaha |
| 06:53.52 | Wobin | airtonix: a fridge? |
| 06:54.00 | Dagmar | I'm the kind of guy who'll give kids candy laced with something sinister. |
| 06:54.05 | Dagmar | Red #5. |
| 06:54.09 | Wobin | Evil! |
| 06:54.20 | Dagmar | You've no idea. |
| 06:54.50 | Dagmar | Red #5 isn't anymore because it has an effect on kids who are prone to hyperactivity. |
| 06:54.52 | airtonix | ok, i move the council for parental purity on to subject eight: Ms Avery Ainsley |
| 06:55.05 | airtonix | how does the council vote ? |
| 06:55.28 | airtonix | why so silent ? |
| 06:55.29 | Dagmar | You ever hear a song by a band called Soul Coughing where one of the choruses is "Yellow number five... yellow number five..."? |
| 06:55.47 | Dagmar | Same coloring, just a less of it is used to be yellow |
| 06:55.56 | Dagmar | In short, it makes kids who are hyper absolutely insane for awhile |
| 06:56.05 | airtonix | interesting |
| 06:56.17 | theorbtwo | My sister used to *love* red #5. |
| 06:56.24 | Dagmar | I remember being a kid at a birthday party and being asked if I wanted milk or Hawaiian Punch. |
| 06:56.45 | Dagmar | one of the other parents remembered the last time I'd been given Hawaiian Punch, which was LOADED with Red #5 then. |
| 06:56.55 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 06:57.06 | Dagmar | I was actually slightly upset because I *liked* the way it made me feel like I could run straight up walls |
| 06:57.13 | Mirrormn | I thought the end of that story would be that you asked for the punch and then he actually punched you |
| 06:57.32 | Dagmar | No. If you gave some kid some candy loaded with #5, their parents would HATE you |
| 06:57.45 | Dagmar | That kid would become immediately unmanageable and hyper as all get out |
| 06:57.49 | Dagmar | *sinister* |
| 06:59.40 | airtonix | ingenious |
| 07:00.05 | Dagmar | As a "mean" thing to do, I think it's pretty much perfect. |
| 07:00.06 | airtonix | what you need is something you can include in home baked bread |
| 07:00.11 | Dagmar | No lasting harm and drives parents nuts |
| 07:00.25 | Dagmar | Heck not even temporary harm to anything but maybe the kid's teeth |
| 07:00.51 | Mirrormn | that doesn't sound especially sinister |
| 07:01.08 | Dagmar | Drive some random parent nuts by proxy? |
| 07:01.25 | Dagmar | it's _their_ kid. It's not like they can just walk away from it. |
| 07:01.56 | Dagmar | Sinister doesn't necessarily mean "murderous" or "malicious" |
| 07:02.47 | Mirrormn | I think I'm just not believing that this substance has the immediate and profound affect that you are claiming in all circumstances |
| 07:03.18 | Dagmar | I was one of those kids, and it was awesome |
| 07:03.30 | Dagmar | Spree candy still had it until the mid 80's |
| 07:03.33 | Dagmar | er mid 90's |
| 07:04.06 | Mirrormn | I think I will go do a daily heroic |
| 07:04.53 | Dagmar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartrazine ... "A 1994 study at the University of Melbourne suggested that children previously identified as hyperactive may exhibit an increase in irritability, restlessness, and sleep disturbance after ingesting tartrazine." <-- pretty sizeable understatement |
| 07:05.37 | Dagmar | Trust me if you have kids and they turn out to be hyper you'll notice |
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| 07:52.17 | Fisker | slaps Dagmar around a bit with a large trout |
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| 08:08.42 | airtonix | masers fisker |
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| 08:29.40 | Fisker | omg |
| 08:29.46 | Fisker | the new talent change sounds fucking sweet |
| 08:29.51 | Fisker | Crusader Strike is baseline |
| 08:30.01 | Fisker | and Divine Storm is a specialization bonus |
| 08:30.10 | Fisker | so you have everything from level 10 |
| 08:30.12 | Fisker | sweeeet |
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| 09:11.55 | Wobin | http://community.livejournal.com/worldofwarcraft/8370681.html |
| 09:14.23 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 09:19.27 | Fisker | btw zomg |
| 09:19.48 | Fisker | rumors on the internet is that even a big chunk of Blizzard employees are outraged at this change |
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| 09:20.54 | airtonix | but you won't listen to your employees right ? |
| 09:24.28 | Fisker | of course not |
| 09:25.12 | Fisker | worst case scenario they just get sued and fired so they can make a new studio |
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| 09:33.50 | QOOL | Hi guys, does anybody know of an addon which simply moves (and maybe scales) buff buttons? I've tried many but they seem bloated. I'm looking for something really lightweight since i play on a sucker pc.. really... i cant use recount |
| 09:34.42 | airtonix | Fisker, employ me ! i will not hesitate to sacrifice the social precepts held dear by mere peasants ! |
| 09:34.48 | QOOL | Eh? |
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| 09:34.55 | airtonix | wrong channel |
| 09:34.56 | QOOL | Am I in the wrong chatroom? |
| 09:35.02 | QOOL | Oh you were :P |
| 09:35.07 | airtonix | this is the facists alliance chatroom |
| 09:35.14 | airtonix | move along |
| 09:35.21 | QOOL | So it's not the wow chatroom? |
| 09:35.26 | QOOL | -.- |
| 09:35.32 | airtonix | GUARDS! |
| 09:36.06 | airtonix | btw |
| 09:36.08 | airtonix | skada |
| 09:36.09 | Satisfyme | em WTF was that about ? |
| 09:36.13 | airtonix | recount is for losers |
| 09:39.32 | Wobin | rofl at latest OldSpice commercial |
| 09:39.40 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7e_igiPIUI&feature=player_embedded |
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| 09:57.57 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 09:59.56 | Cairenn | Those OldSpice commercials are amusing, and the fact that the actor is hot certainly doesn't hurt |
| 10:01.12 | Legorol | morning |
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| 10:01.20 | Cairenn | hi Legorol |
| 10:01.21 | Legorol | Cairenn: i think that's the idea |
| 10:01.28 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 10:01.52 | Legorol | you'd almost think they are marketing them OldSpice bottles for the ladies |
| 10:02.06 | Cairenn | They are |
| 10:02.11 | Legorol | :O |
| 10:02.23 | Legorol | you didn't mean the standard commercials for guys then? |
| 10:02.25 | Legorol | i'm missing out |
| 10:03.10 | Cairenn | 99% of guys out get their cologne as gifts from their girlfriends/wives |
| 10:03.27 | Cairenn | guys out there* |
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| 10:04.24 | Cairenn | (and sometimes their kids, eventually, but at that point their choice of cologne has already been established - by their girlfriends/wives) |
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| 10:05.39 | Cairenn | So yes, they are absolutely targetting the ad campaign at women |
| 10:06.08 | Cairenn | Hell, they say so right in the ads "Ladies, your man could ...." |
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| 10:19.23 | Cairenn | ROFL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqvA5IyfSSQ&feature=related |
| 10:19.57 | Fisker | old mule > old spice |
| 10:24.19 | Fisker | also what about jnwhiteh Cairenn? |
| 10:24.23 | Fisker | you're being insensitive! |
| 10:27.34 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: you smoke crack. |
| 10:27.36 | jnwhiteh | kthx. |
| 10:28.13 | Cairenn | Fisker: I don't think so, since the discussion was whether the ad campaign was being targetted at women or men :p |
| 10:28.21 | Cairenn | huggles jnwhiteh |
| 10:28.31 | Cairenn | jnwhiteh knows I adore him to pieces! |
| 10:29.14 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 10:29.18 | jnwhiteh | paypal limited my account |
| 10:29.24 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 10:29.27 | jnwhiteh | and I have no way to verify my US address |
| 10:29.29 | Cairenn | Why? |
| 10:29.37 | jnwhiteh | They think a third party got access to it |
| 10:29.42 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 10:29.46 | jnwhiteh | which I'll be damned if they did, since its a unique password with authenticator |
| 10:29.48 | jnwhiteh | so, not very likely |
| 10:29.52 | jnwhiteh | i.e. just no. |
| 10:30.01 | jnwhiteh | so I'm not quite sure what to do now =) |
| 10:30.07 | Fisker | but isn't old spice marketted at jnwhiteh?! |
| 10:30.35 | Fisker | jnwhiteh they pull that shit if your billing address doesn't match up with the merchant supplied info |
| 10:30.39 | Cairenn | jnwhiteh: sounds to me like this is going to be a time where emails et al aren't going to do it, you're going to need to talk to an actual person |
| 10:30.44 | Fisker | Tried to pay for someone else and it locked my paypal |
| 10:30.46 | Fisker | fuck them. |
| 10:30.47 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: I haven't bought anything. |
| 10:30.52 | Fisker | oh |
| 10:31.00 | Fisker | have you logged in from other IP's? |
| 10:31.05 | Fisker | they're stupid like that too |
| 10:31.06 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 10:31.12 | jnwhiteh | and now I don't remember the password I just said. |
| 10:31.18 | Fisker | then it beats me |
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| 10:33.16 | jnwhiteh | alright |
| 10:33.19 | jnwhiteh | so I guess I'm going home |
| 10:33.22 | jnwhiteh | see you guys in a bit. |
| 10:33.23 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 10:34.17 | Maldivia | wow, 33700 posts in that thread now... |
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| 10:39.21 | airtonix | Cairenn, it's true. without gifts we would smell worse than our dogs |
| 10:39.39 | airtonix | lucky i fart roses |
| 10:39.42 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:40.27 | Fisker | i fart sulphuric acid |
| 10:45.20 | Legorol | Maldivia: which thread? i take it something to do with real ID.. |
| 10:47.41 | Maldivia | Legorol: yeah, the announcement thread in wow-general |
| 10:48.26 | Cairenn | on the US forums |
| 10:48.38 | Cairenn | the one on the EU forums isn't as bad |
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| 10:49.29 | Legorol | and lookie, forum maintenance... the thread borked the forum |
| 10:51.51 | Warloco | hello world o/ |
| 10:52.08 | Fisker | Legorol i wouldn't be surprised that they're hotfixing issues that will break the forum :D |
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| 10:57.31 | Spejnar | Who killed the EU instance servers? |
| 10:58.03 | Kalroth | fisker did |
| 10:58.12 | Spejnar | I knew it ! |
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| 11:15.13 | Satisfyme | Hmmm have been looking in the api list but I can't find a command for getting the realm name of my character. is there a command for that ? |
| 11:16.04 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/ipad_ultimate_browsing_experience.jpg |
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| 11:19.28 | CC13 | Hi. Does anybody know if it's possible to spawn the right click unit menu? |
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| 11:24.43 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCpzP7nxsxs |
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| 11:28.52 | Maldivia | Satisfyme: UnitName |
| 11:28.56 | Maldivia | Satisfyme: second return value |
| 11:29.42 | Maldivia | Satisfyme: ohh, you mean the name of the realm you're currently on, GetRealmName() |
| 11:30.00 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_tM26_0_aY |
| 11:31.57 | Fisker | xD |
| 11:32.04 | Fisker | "He moved away for his own reasons which had nothing to do with this change, and these reasons are of no business to the general public." |
| 11:32.10 | Fisker | "Good, we understand each other then. My personal data is also of no business to the general public." |
| 11:32.13 | Fisker | :3 |
| 11:32.26 | Fisker | he zinged him off good |
| 11:32.47 | Cairenn | ? |
| 11:33.57 | Fisker | Wryxian regarding Ancilcorn leaving in the first part |
| 11:34.02 | Cairenn | ah |
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| 11:34.24 | Legorol | Fisker: where from? |
| 11:34.48 | Legorol | Fisker: nvm |
| 11:35.09 | harl | hi |
| 11:35.14 | Legorol | hai |
| 11:36.16 | Fisker | hai Legorol |
| 11:36.19 | Fisker | i like you |
| 11:38.24 | airtonix | anyone here who manages a drupal site ? |
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| 11:40.28 | Sixen | yeah lawl |
| 11:40.37 | Sixen | oh whoa. my scroll bar was way off |
| 11:40.44 | Sixen | I responded to something about 28 hours ago. |
| 11:42.21 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR3Z2P4l0H0#t=4m35s <- ouch :D |
| 11:43.56 | Xinhuan | ok so if i'm on both sc2 and wow |
| 11:43.59 | Xinhuan | and someone PMs me |
| 11:44.02 | Xinhuan | using real ID |
| 11:44.11 | Xinhuan | only my SC2 sees the message |
| 11:44.13 | Xinhuan | not my wow.... |
| 11:44.55 | Maldivia | congratulations, you've found a bug :P |
| 11:45.16 | Maldivia | or undocumented feature - which ever you prefere |
| 11:46.15 | Legorol | Xinhuan: on sc2? have tehy turned it on again? |
| 11:46.20 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 11:46.22 | Xinhuan | today |
| 11:46.37 | Legorol | wow |
| 11:46.41 | Legorol | i had great instincts :D |
| 11:46.41 | vangual | productXbeta which also pioneered a new chat feature can't communicate with the final life version of chat feature? doesn't sound surprising at all. It would if SC2 was actually live. |
| 11:46.52 | Legorol | i just launched SC2 to update it in case they released some more stuf.. |
| 11:46.56 | Legorol | i didn't know they started it agian |
| 11:47.11 | vangual | live as in retail. |
| 11:47.13 | Cairenn | Just did like yesterday or the day before |
| 11:47.26 | Legorol | awesome, i was missing it! |
| 11:47.36 | Legorol | see you guys in a week when i'm done getting my ass kicked on b.net |
| 11:48.27 | Cairenn | heh |
| 11:48.38 | Cairenn | waves bye bye to Legorol |
| 11:48.45 | Legorol | you wish! ha |
| 11:48.49 | Legorol | ;) |
| 11:49.07 | Cairenn | :) *hug |
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| 11:57.01 | fiphi | &2 |
| 11:57.06 | fiphi | Grr. |
| 12:00.26 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: Do you accept donations on wowi/curse? |
| 12:00.30 | jnwhiteh | or anyone who isn't from the US? |
| 12:00.37 | Xinhuan | huh |
| 12:01.27 | Xinhuan | i accept donations on both sites, and from all countries (irrelevant? they just need paypal, which could be from over 200 countries) |
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| 12:02.29 | jnwhiteh | But |
| 12:02.32 | jnwhiteh | do you have a US paypal account? |
| 12:02.46 | jnwhiteh | (this is a reasonable question :P) |
| 12:03.26 | jnwhiteh | ah nvm |
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| 12:03.31 | jnwhiteh | don't have this issue on curseforge |
| 12:03.33 | jnwhiteh | ponders |
| 12:04.05 | Xinhuan | no its not a us paypal account |
| 12:04.09 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 12:04.19 | jnwhiteh | you just can't use hosted buttons on a UK account unless its a business account |
| 12:04.29 | Xinhuan | oh i couldn't either |
| 12:04.31 | jnwhiteh | and I preferred that cause I could see where a donation was coming from, and for what addon |
| 12:04.33 | Xinhuan | i faked it by using the image |
| 12:04.43 | Xinhuan | and just giving a standard donate link |
| 12:04.44 | Xinhuan | in the image |
| 12:04.58 | Xinhuan | its not via a hosted button |
| 12:05.12 | jnwhiteh | I could use pledgie |
| 12:05.21 | jnwhiteh | anyone use that? |
| 12:05.35 | Xinhuan | tekkub i think? not sure |
| 12:05.43 | Xinhuan | check oneof his addons |
| 12:06.05 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: I'm not sure how this works, but I seem to get decent attribution from wowi/curse without (I think) using hosted buttons |
| 12:06.19 | jnwhiteh | you don't need a hosted button for curse |
| 12:06.28 | jnwhiteh | I think you do for the 'pop-up' donation link on WowI |
| 12:06.35 | Xinhuan | i get more donations from curse than wowi |
| 12:06.41 | jnwhiteh | I'm precisely the opposite |
| 12:06.44 | foxlit | Other way around for me. |
| 12:06.45 | jnwhiteh | I've received about 30 from curse |
| 12:06.49 | jnwhiteh | and about 7k from wowi |
| 12:06.58 | foxlit | Though, honestly, statistic noise at my sample size. |
| 12:06.58 | Xinhuan | and curse points is like x50 of that amount |
| 12:07.18 | jnwhiteh | oh, I receive way more in donations than I do in Curse points, in general |
| 12:07.23 | jnwhiteh | but our situations are a bit different =) |
| 12:07.32 | Xinhuan | yeah i suppose so hehe |
| 12:08.35 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 12:08.38 | jnwhiteh | I feel dirty using pledgie |
| 12:08.47 | jnwhiteh | cause it's all 'Donate to the cause' |
| 12:08.54 | jnwhiteh | and that's not the message I want to send, really =) |
| 12:08.54 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: Hm, no. |
| 12:09.09 | foxlit | I am somehow getting addon attribution from wowi without explicitly setting up a button per addon |
| 12:09.20 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 12:09.26 | jnwhiteh | is this from the link that pops up when they click 'download' |
| 12:09.31 | jnwhiteh | or from a static button on the addon page? |
| 12:09.36 | foxlit | The former. |
| 12:09.43 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 12:09.47 | jnwhiteh | do you do 'link to donation page' then? |
| 12:10.00 | jnwhiteh | if you edit one of yoru addons |
| 12:10.04 | jnwhiteh | what do you have selected there? |
| 12:10.06 | foxlit | "PayPal" |
| 12:10.22 | jnwhiteh | and what do you have in the 'donation id' box? |
| 12:10.48 | foxlit | Some ID |
| 12:11.05 | foxlit | However, the trick is that wowi posts a Donate_itemname hidden field with "AddOn XYZ hosted on WoWInterface." |
| 12:11.05 | jnwhiteh | somewhere between 8 and 12 numeric digits? |
| 12:11.23 | jnwhiteh | no, I know 'the trick' |
| 12:11.29 | jnwhiteh | but you said you're not using hosted buttons |
| 12:11.31 | foxlit | 7 |
| 12:11.33 | jnwhiteh | and I'm not sure that's the case |
| 12:11.45 | jnwhiteh | I'm fairly certain you are, actually =) |
| 12:11.49 | foxlit | Not per addon, that is. |
| 12:11.58 | jnwhiteh | no, you don't need to do it per-addon |
| 12:12.07 | jnwhiteh | but you said you weren't doing it at all =) |
| 12:12.10 | jnwhiteh | no worries |
| 12:12.12 | jnwhiteh | I'll sort it out =) |
| 12:12.18 | mikma | haste: nsfw http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/m00/normal_723100031.jpg |
| 12:12.26 | foxlit | Hm, my bad on that first wording :) |
| 12:13.12 | foxlit | Paypal's website is a bit of a mess :/ |
| 12:14.05 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 12:14.07 | jnwhiteh | and cross regions |
| 12:14.09 | jnwhiteh | and you're fucked =/ |
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| 12:15.43 | Kalroth | mikma: what dog |
| 12:16.28 | jnwhiteh | my UK account CAN have multiple currency balances |
| 12:16.30 | jnwhiteh | this is very nice. |
| 12:21.44 | mikma | kalroth: dog? |
| 12:23.09 | Xinhuan | all accounts can, except china ones |
| 12:24.55 | Kalroth | mikma: yeah i was told there was a dog in that picture |
| 12:25.09 | mikma | kalroth: riiiight |
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| 12:29.54 | Xinhuan | heh died in RS and tomtom's arrow says my corpse is 13k yards away to instance entrance |
| 12:31.51 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 12:41.44 | mikma | http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/mmedia/2z/abi/sf1s/54948/722811703.jpg |
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| 12:48.55 | |Jelly| | tackle-hugs Peppy! |
| 12:49.16 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-dear. |
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| 13:05.39 | foxlit | # Even though gorillas aren't pigs, they still can be swine. |
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| 13:19.13 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 13:20.19 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816838128&postId=140334809097&sid=1#9980 |
| 13:20.20 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEEES |
| 13:21.39 | mikma | cairenn|afk: really? http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info17081-BNIsNotSelf.html ... ^^ |
| 13:22.01 | |Jelly| | And here I thought that perhaps a blue made a post directed at you all @Fisker -- I HAX BETA! YOU HAZ NAO? |
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| 13:22.26 | CC13 | Hi guys, how do you set a frame to intercept clicks? |
| 13:22.35 | Fisker | i can't even play anyway |Jelly| |
| 13:24.21 | CC13 | No one knows? :/ |
| 13:24.33 | Fisker | noone at all |
| 13:24.46 | CC13 | but it is possible |
| 13:24.50 | |Jelly| | Definitely not Fisker |
| 13:25.04 | |Jelly| | Unless you have beta access for him, he's just a ball of rage! |
| 13:25.07 | CC13 | But you were supposed to be UI developers! |
| 13:25.33 | mikma | cc13: hooking is one option |
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| 13:25.46 | Legorol | CC13: i don't know what you mean by "intercepting", but all buttons by default can receive click events |
| 13:25.47 | CC13 | Have you got a page that explains that? |
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| 13:26.01 | CC13 | It's a frame, there are no buttons. |
| 13:26.02 | Legorol | i'm not sure hooking is what you need |
| 13:26.08 | CC13 | I just need to disable the click trough |
| 13:26.10 | Maldivia | CC13: enable mouse on the frame, add scripts for OnClick etc |
| 13:26.12 | mikma | oh |
| 13:26.14 | Legorol | CC13: a "button" is a type of frame, in WoW |
| 13:26.20 | mikma | frame:EnableMouse(false) |
| 13:26.30 | CC13 | 1 sec I'll try |
| 13:26.37 | Legorol | or what mikma said :) |
| 13:26.46 | Legorol | but in general you are probably better off with a button |
| 13:26.52 | Fisker | no |Jelly| |
| 13:26.57 | Fisker | that phase has passed |
| 13:27.06 | mikma | denial or acceptance? |
| 13:27.14 | Lopeppeppy | denial |
| 13:27.17 | |Jelly| | wow |
| 13:27.20 | Fisker | beta rage mikma |
| 13:28.08 | |Jelly| | So .. I'm alone in my beta rage? |
| 13:28.08 | Fisker | at phase privacy rage now |
| 13:28.08 | |Jelly| | Ahh |
| 13:28.08 | |Jelly| | That is a good transition. |
| 13:28.08 | CC13 | What about statusbars |
| 13:28.11 | |Jelly| | Well, a logical one at least -- gotta keep your priorities straight here. :P |
| 13:28.12 | CC13 | Can you disable mouse on them too? |
| 13:28.57 | mikma | fisker: what step? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model |
| 13:29.20 | mikma | cc13: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets#statusbar |
| 13:29.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god she's a famous quack, but that scale still does work decently. |
| 13:29.30 | mikma | cc13: StatusBar:EnableMouse(enable) - Enables or disables mouse interactivity for the frame |
| 13:29.36 | CC13 | Thanks |
| 13:29.40 | CC13 | Handy website |
| 13:29.49 | mikma | blame jnwhiteh, he made it |
| 13:30.05 | mikma | cause he can't code, he does stuff like that |
| 13:30.08 | mikma | his addons suck, too |
| 13:30.12 | CC13 | lol |
| 13:30.25 | jnwhiteh | this is all true. |
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| 13:34.22 | CC13 | IT DOESNT WORK :O |
| 13:34.25 | CC13 | Not for statusbars |
| 13:35.12 | CC13 | Now who talked about hooking? |
| 13:35.30 | |Jelly| | . . . definitely not touching that one |
| 13:35.44 | CC13 | Jelly...? |
| 13:35.55 | |Jelly| | I'm not going to talk about hooking in mixed company. <3 |
| 13:35.59 | CC13 | I wonder why the other one doesn't work |
| 13:36.03 | CC13 | rofl |
| 13:36.30 | |Jelly| | By the way: Dear Peppy, I HAS YOUR NAMES! MUAHAHAHAHAHA! -Jelly |
| 13:36.48 | jnwhiteh | What are you trying to do |
| 13:36.50 | CC13 | secretstatusbarname:EnableMouse(false) |
| 13:36.54 | jnwhiteh | hooking is ALWAYS a last resort |
| 13:36.58 | jnwhiteh | okay.. that works |
| 13:37.00 | jnwhiteh | what's your issue? |
| 13:37.04 | CC13 | It doesnt xD |
| 13:37.11 | jnwhiteh | yes, it does |
| 13:37.13 | jnwhiteh | somethign else is goin gon |
| 13:37.24 | CC13 | I'm trying to apply it to a statusbar |
| 13:37.27 | jnwhiteh | alright |
| 13:37.30 | jnwhiteh | a statusbar is a frame |
| 13:37.34 | jnwhiteh | you can disable mouse just fine |
| 13:37.35 | CC13 | Agree |
| 13:37.40 | CC13 | I am cursed then |
| 13:37.44 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 13:37.49 | jnwhiteh | you're not properly describing the entire problem. |
| 13:37.53 | CC13 | I am a bad coder then? |
| 13:37.55 | CC13 | :D |
| 13:38.01 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 13:38.10 | jnwhiteh | you are just failing to explain your issue |
| 13:38.10 | CC13 | kk.. I have 2 statusbars |
| 13:38.12 | CC13 | hp and mana |
| 13:38.15 | jnwhiteh | alright |
| 13:38.25 | CC13 | I do not want to be able to "click and drag" them to move camera |
| 13:38.33 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 13:38.37 | CC13 | Do you understand? |
| 13:38.38 | jnwhiteh | you are doing this completely wrong |
| 13:38.39 | CC13 | My english sucks |
| 13:38.44 | jnwhiteh | you are not 'clicking and dragging' them to move camera |
| 13:38.49 | jnwhiteh | they are not intercepting mouse events |
| 13:38.55 | jnwhiteh | so you are clicking the 3-d world underneath them |
| 13:38.58 | jnwhiteh | you want to ENABLE mouse events |
| 13:39.00 | jnwhiteh | not disable them.... |
| 13:39.06 | CC13 | Oh gawd XD |
| 13:39.20 | CC13 | I have a tattoo which says FAIL (irl .,.) |
| 13:39.22 | CC13 | -.- |
| 13:39.35 | CC13 | i might not get that one erased anyway |
| 13:39.50 | theorbtwo | CC13: You were stupid enough to get a tatoo in a language you can't read? |
| 13:39.59 | CC13 | Alcohol |
| 13:40.02 | CC13 | rofl |
| 13:40.13 | CC13 | IT WOOOOORKS! |
| 13:40.20 | Maldivia | hopefully it's not on your forehead :P |
| 13:40.20 | CC13 | I wanna get drunk and get a new one |
| 13:40.22 | theorbtwo | Alcohol-induced stupdity counts as stupidity. |
| 13:40.36 | CC13 | New tattoo upcoming: "jnwhiteh" |
| 13:40.49 | Maldivia | CC13: next time, get a barcode on the back of your neck :P |
| 13:40.57 | CC13 | haha |
| 13:41.02 | CC13 | I've seen a picture of that |
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| 13:42.22 | CC13 | I'll stay in here so i get leech some überskillz from you guys |
| 13:42.27 | CC13 | Soon I'll hack pentagon |
| 13:42.43 | |Jelly| | uh ... huh |
| 13:44.12 | Maldivia | wrong channel for that, try #fbi or #cia - that's more their area of expertice |
| 13:44.40 | CC13 | Okay.... wait a minute... I'm not *that* stupid |
| 13:44.49 | CC13 | How do i convert an integer to a string? |
| 13:45.05 | Maldivia | you don't really need to |
| 13:45.09 | |Jelly| | For reference: you have a tattoo that you admitted to getting while intoxicated ... that says fail. Alright, carry on. :P |
| 13:45.09 | Adys | kick the ramsticks in the face |
| 13:45.17 | CC13 | I don't? |
| 13:45.25 | CC13 | I wanna substring |
| 13:45.35 | Adys | lua> tostring |
| 13:45.36 | lua_bot | Adys: function: 0x9755f08 |
| 13:45.52 | Adys | lua> tostring(314) |
| 13:45.52 | lua_bot | Adys: 314 |
| 13:46.01 | CC13 | Thanks |
| 13:46.13 | Maldivia | lua> tostring(12345):sub(2,2) |
| 13:46.13 | lua_bot | Maldivia: 2 |
| 13:46.14 | Kraps | ""It's gotten ridiculous," Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy said. "It's almost like a parody of itself this whole situation now. Come on, an hour long? It takes 15 seconds to say I've decided to stay in Cleveland but we've got another 59 minutes and 45 seconds to, what? Promote LeBron James?" |
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| 13:46.44 | CC13 | Thanks, brilliant people. |
| 13:47.03 | Fisker | no! |
| 13:47.10 | Fisker | stop him |
| 13:47.32 | mikma | stop him, he gots teh betas |
| 13:48.01 | Maldivia | Adys: done moving already? |
| 13:48.20 | Adys | sorta |
| 13:48.27 | Maldivia | that was quick? |
| 13:48.28 | Adys | done w/ paperwork |
| 13:48.31 | Maldivia | ahh |
| 13:48.35 | Adys | back at my flatmate's atm |
| 13:48.43 | Adys | moving the rest in tomorrow |
| 13:51.28 | Fisker | where did you move? |
| 13:51.41 | Maldivia | he moved closer to you Fisker |
| 13:51.56 | Fisker | sweet |
| 13:52.00 | CC13 | Can you spawn the original blizzard right click menu - thing (dunno name - the right click on portrait menu) ? |
| 13:52.19 | CC13 | Say.. on a button in the middle of the screen? |
| 13:52.37 | Maldivia | yes you can |
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| 13:52.49 | CC13 | Oh good, i thought I'd had to make a replica |
| 13:52.56 | CC13 | How? |
| 13:53.04 | Maldivia | CC13: just look at the code that the OnClick handler for the player frame, and duplicate that |
| 13:53.27 | Kraps | HERP |
| 13:53.29 | CC13 | Maldivia.. you almost deserve a tattoo too |
| 13:53.29 | Kraps | DERP |
| 13:53.31 | Kraps | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816838128&sid=1&pageNo=455#9092 |
| 13:53.55 | mikma | DURRRRR |
| 13:54.35 | Maldivia | CC13: you might have taint issues though, can't remember if there are any secure commands on that menu |
| 13:55.15 | CC13 | I'm downloading their kit now.. I'm not on my main pc |
| 13:55.26 | Maldivia | CC13: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/ |
| 13:55.38 | CC13 | Or you could just do that... |
| 13:55.47 | mikma | kraps: ah hahahahha |
| 13:56.07 | mikma | kraps: "don't post if you don't want to, but wait, there's more! LAYOUT CHANGES! WOOWOOOWOOOOWOOOOOO!" |
| 13:56.30 | Maldivia | mikma: well, the proposed layout changes actaully do sound kind of nice :P |
| 13:56.46 | foxlit | Hate threads-in-threads, personally |
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| 13:57.09 | foxlit | Results in all sorts of insanity like people responding to unrelated comment to get on the first page. |
| 13:57.12 | Maldivia | foxlit: if used incorrectly, it's a hot mess... and knowing the standard blizzard forum poster... |
| 13:57.16 | mikma | maldivia: no, it doesn't. |
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| 13:57.42 | Maldivia | mikma: some of them do |
| 13:58.14 | mikma | maldivia: would you still post with your real name? |
| 13:58.51 | Maldivia | mikma: my name isn't that unique, there are like 2000 people with that name in Denmark, so :P |
| 14:00.12 | CC13 | Hmm.. i cant seem to get that menu to show |
| 14:00.50 | Maldivia | CC13: try something like ToggleDropDownMenu(1, nil, PlayerFrameDropDown) |
| 14:01.06 | CC13 | Will do.. sec. |
| 14:01.58 | CC13 | Super duper awesome |
| 14:02.01 | CC13 | Thank |
| 14:02.01 | CC13 | s |
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| 14:02.28 | CC13 | I'd kill to have your brain |
| 14:02.34 | Kraps | hey beta people, are the new trees in yet? |
| 14:02.41 | Maldivia | CC13: well, it would kill me if you did |
| 14:02.47 | CC13 | Hahaha |
| 14:07.21 | Wobin | ahaha http://www.wow.com/2010/07/07/rumor-blizzard-employees-real-life-names-will-not-appear-on-th/comments/29135257/ |
| 14:07.27 | Wobin | best comment ever |
| 14:07.54 | foxlit | Instantly loses all points for mentioning Activision. |
| 14:07.55 | CC13 | Maldivia, thanks another time. I've now successfully become able to spawn it and I've cleared the points and given it a new anchor ^^ |
| 14:08.05 | CC13 | Actually, thanks to all of you :D |
| 14:09.12 | Fisker | hello Wobin |
| 14:09.14 | Kraps | foxlit: its still good |
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| 14:13.00 | Fisker | i came Kraps |
| 14:13.09 | Kraps | i went |
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| 14:14.10 | foxlit | cardgames on motorcycles, Fisker? |
| 14:14.21 | Fisker | no foxlit |
| 14:15.28 | foxlit | And why not? |
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| 14:16.54 | CC13 | I need another magic link guys :P something about right clicks |
| 14:16.56 | Maldivia | CC13: you can actually reanchor the dropdown menu from the ToggleDropDownMenu call, by adding 3 more arguments: anchorFrame, xOffset, yOffset |
| 14:17.02 | Fisker | because foxlit |
| 14:17.14 | CC13 | Maldivia i did already ^^ |
| 14:17.51 | Maldivia | CC13: well, the way you describe it, it sounded like you did it in another way :P |
| 14:17.58 | Maldivia | CC13: and as for right clicks, what about it? |
| 14:18.11 | CC13 | You know a webpage about processing them? |
| 14:18.16 | Maldivia | CC13: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnClick |
| 14:18.17 | CC13 | Sorry for my terrible english |
| 14:18.20 | CC13 | Awesome |
| 14:18.21 | Maldivia | Det er ok :P |
| 14:18.54 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: craps at the bottom of a pool is much better |
| 14:18.57 | Kraps | wtf my nephew has freckles, which makes him look awesomely cute. except that his soul is very not cute |
| 14:19.17 | CC13 | Hmm.. is there a way to let a statusbar register for clicks? |
| 14:19.22 | CC13 | This only applies to buttons, right? |
| 14:19.24 | Maldivia | Kraps: devil in disguise? |
| 14:19.32 | CC13 | Or will it work for all types of frames? |
| 14:19.40 | CC13 | Dammit this api and syntax -.- |
| 14:19.43 | Kraps | Maldivia: i'm pretty sure he is |
| 14:19.51 | Kraps | and hes only 3 |
| 14:20.15 | Seerah | CC13: this is what a statusbar can do http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/StatusBar |
| 14:20.21 | Maldivia | CC13: for basic frames, you can look at OnMouseDown or OnMouseUp |
| 14:20.45 | CC13 | Thanks again ;) |
| 14:20.50 | CC13 | Both of you |
| 14:21.35 | Kraps | CC13: what are you making? |
| 14:21.54 | CC13 | A nuclear reactor control center |
| 14:22.00 | CC13 | For NASA |
| 14:22.13 | CC13 | But really, I'm just experimenting |
| 14:22.16 | Kraps | cooooool |
| 14:22.26 | CC13 | I just want to learn, basiclly |
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| 14:22.41 | CC13 | Right now I'm destroying the UI |
| 14:23.09 | CC13 | Scream, Legorol |
| 14:25.05 | Fisker | cog|away |
| 14:25.06 | Fisker | i love you |
| 14:25.08 | Fisker | are you there? |
| 14:25.13 | Kraps | http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14693878&postcount=2 |
| 14:25.42 | Adys | Ugh. am i the only one sad by the increase of malicious advertising? |
| 14:25.55 | Adys | instead of popups/popunders and flashy fake ads |
| 14:26.02 | Thunder_Child | you are the only one that sees it |
| 14:26.06 | Thunder_Child | everyone else blocks it |
| 14:26.06 | Adys | now it's ads embedding themselves in copypastes |
| 14:26.14 | Adys | fuck off TC, it's not adblockable |
| 14:26.47 | Thunder_Child | thats not the only thing that blocks adds |
| 14:27.11 | Adys | ad, one d. unlike add, which is a verb, sometimes a noun derived from the verb "in addition to" |
| 14:27.20 | Adys | unrelated to ad, advertising, advertisement |
| 14:27.44 | Kraps | thinks Adys is a bit testy |
| 14:27.46 | Thunder_Child | s/adds/ads/ |
| 14:27.49 | Thunder_Child | feel better? |
| 14:27.58 | CC13 | I do |
| 14:28.00 | Adys | A lot, but now Kraps is touching my testycles |
| 14:28.07 | Ackis | bah |
| 14:28.11 | CC13 | This is much more than uidev :P |
| 14:28.15 | Ackis | I was just going to make a joke about Adys being a nutsack |
| 14:28.22 | Kraps | CC13: you have no idea |
| 14:28.33 | CC13 | :D |
| 14:28.39 | Adys | Ackis, you aren't cool enough to keep the balls rolling |
| 14:28.54 | Thunder_Child | punster WILL die |
| 14:28.59 | Thunder_Child | punsters* |
| 14:29.10 | Thunder_Child | slowly |
| 14:29.15 | Thunder_Child | and in great pain |
| 14:29.17 | Ackis | oh nuts Adys :( |
| 14:29.18 | krka | are you going ballistic? |
| 14:29.54 | Ackis | I have a boner for Dragon Age 2 |
| 14:30.01 | Adys | We're all genitlemen here. |
| 14:30.13 | Thunder_Child | even the women? |
| 14:30.34 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.34 | Thunder_Child | and Fisker? |
| 14:30.43 | Adys | No, Fisker is just a twat |
| 14:30.55 | Kraps | fisker is another category i think |
| 14:31.57 | Kraps | check out this oxymoron |
| 14:31.57 | Adys | and on that note, I'm off |
| 14:31.59 | Adys | bai |
| 14:32.04 | Kraps | is currently listening to Apocalyptica - Hope |
| 14:32.17 | Shirik | Kraps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:User_202.21.158.11 |
| 14:32.20 | Shirik | also, awesome song |
| 14:32.27 | Kraps | hides from Thunder_Child |
| 14:32.32 | Adys | Categories: Wikipedia sockpuppets of 202.21.158.11 |
| 14:32.35 | Adys | seriously dude? |
| 14:32.48 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Kraps |
| 14:32.49 | purl | wallops Kraps with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 14:32.49 | Shirik | ? |
| 14:33.32 | CC13 | Is there an example of a click event on frame somewhere? I'm having a bit of trouble |
| 14:33.52 | CC13 | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIHANDLER_OnClick doesnt help me |
| 14:34.19 | CC13 | Or should i RegisterForClicks() first? |
| 14:34.40 | CC13 | RegisterForClicks(RightButtonDown) ? |
| 14:35.26 | Kraps | You're beside me on the seat/Got your hand between my knees/And you control how fast we go by just how hard you wanna squeeze/It's hard to steer when you're breathing in my ear/But I got both hands on the wheel while you got both hands on my gears |
| 14:35.31 | Kaso | widget:RegisterForClicks("RightButtonDown") |
| 14:35.43 | CC13 | Yea. how do i proceed after that? |
| 14:35.48 | CC13 | I guess i have to setscript or something |
| 14:36.22 | Kraps | Shirik: infinite loop? |
| 14:36.36 | Kaso | you have to set an OnClick handler yes |
| 14:36.59 | CC13 | Do you know a webpage that explains/demonstrates that? |
| 14:37.10 | Kaso | the wowwiki page you links does pretty well if you ask me |
| 14:37.39 | Maldivia | CC13: see the code examples on the OnClick page I linked previously |
| 14:37.42 | CC13 | Yes but the problem is that I'm an idiot. |
| 14:37.49 | CC13 | Will do. |
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| 14:38.47 | Kraps | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_Entertainment#Privacy_controversy_and_Real_ID |
| 14:39.41 | cog|away | Fisker: for why? |
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| 14:41.47 | Kraps | Shirik: seems a bit biased? |
| 14:41.59 | Xinhuan | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10543100.stm |
| 14:42.02 | Kraps | well sourced though |
| 14:42.03 | Xinhuan | appears it went on bbc |
| 14:42.12 | Kraps | AP as well |
| 14:45.14 | Kraps | http://consumerist.com/2010/05/after-posting-ss-in-ads-lifelock-ceos-identity-stolen-13-times.html |
| 14:45.20 | Kraps | herpderp |
| 14:45.56 | malreth | Hey, I heard that Blizzard was going to start requiring us to post on their forums using our actual names. Is that true? |
| 14:46.23 | Shirik | Kraps: Don't see anything POV about it |
| 14:46.33 | Shirik | feel free to fix :) |
| 14:46.54 | Ackis | what did WoW do with facebook? |
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| 14:52.10 | CC13 | RegisterForClicks("RightButtonDown") throws error when i apply it to other than a button |
| 14:53.11 | Maldivia | that is only avail on buttons |
| 14:53.38 | CC13 | Dammit |
| 14:53.49 | CC13 | Can i create a transparent button and anchor it to the frame then? |
| 14:53.52 | CC13 | Would that be a solution? |
| 14:54.00 | Maldivia | the onmouseup/down scripts doesnt rely on it |
| 14:54.08 | CC13 | So that's what i do |
| 14:54.43 | Maldivia | but you could just use a button instead of a frame |
| 14:55.06 | malreth | A button is just a frame that accepts clicks |
| 14:55.41 | malreth | or just use a normal frame and handle onmouseup events |
| 14:55.44 | Seerah | CC13: depends on what you are trying to do. The list I gave you of statusbar stuff tells you what to do for "clicking" (and has been mentioned specifically above) |
| 14:56.00 | CC13 | I need to rightclick a statusbar |
| 14:56.05 | Seerah | why? |
| 14:56.16 | Seerah | to get a menu? to cast a spell? to target someone? :) |
| 14:56.23 | CC13 | Well theres no real point of my addon.. i just experiment |
| 14:56.31 | CC13 | You know, one day.. :D |
| 14:56.35 | CC13 | I'll make awesome addons |
| 14:56.37 | Seerah | depending on what you want to do, means you have to implement it differently |
| 14:56.41 | Maldivia | onmousedown, check if buttontype is right |
| 14:57.06 | CC13 | I'm just trying the invisible button over the statusbar |
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| 14:57.23 | CC13 | I've done something like that on windows to steal passwords |
| 14:57.44 | malreth | i suddenly feel less inclined to help you from now on |
| 14:57.49 | CC13 | Why? |
| 14:58.08 | Fisker | btw Seerah |
| 14:58.12 | Fisker | i don't have periods, so neither do you |
| 14:58.13 | Fisker | end. |
| 14:58.14 | Seerah | yes, Fisker dear? |
| 14:58.20 | malreth | don't mind me... i'm just responding to your frank honesty with some of my own, CC13 |
| 14:58.26 | Seerah | - dear |
| 14:58.30 | Fisker | :3 |
| 14:58.43 | CC13 | Umm.. okay ? :/ |
| 14:58.46 | Fisker | seriously the amount of stupidity in the Real ID thread is annoying |
| 14:58.52 | CC13 | I agree on that one |
| 14:58.54 | Fisker | "My name is John Doe so i don't have to be scared!" |
| 14:59.02 | Fisker | not everyones name is John Doe :/ |
| 14:59.20 | Maldivia | what did you exprcy with 40000 posts |
| 14:59.20 | Seerah | nope. Mine is Jane Doe. |
| 14:59.30 | Maldivia | expect* |
| 14:59.36 | Fisker | my name isn't Jane Doe, therefor yours isn't either |
| 14:59.38 | Ackis | Seerah: actually you're more like a female Jone Doe :P |
| 14:59.46 | Seerah | :p |
| 15:00.14 | Maldivia | Jone Doh |
| 15:00.19 | Maldivia | :) |
| 15:00.22 | Fisker | Joan of Doe? |
| 15:00.44 | CC13 | It works ! :D |
| 15:00.56 | CC13 | It might not be the optimal solution but i got what i asked for :P |
| 15:01.56 | Maldivia | looking forward to finding out that bin laden plays a BE rogue |
| 15:02.15 | CC13 | rofl |
| 15:03.40 | mikma | http://nsa15.casimages.com/img/2010/07/08/100708041709892373.jpg |
| 15:03.44 | mikma | that's so wrong |
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| 15:13.51 | CC13 | Is there a to check if i am currently targetting? |
| 15:14.06 | |Jelly| | UnitExists("target") ? |
| 15:14.15 | CC13 | tyvm ^^ |
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| 15:20.55 | CC13 | How can i target? |
| 15:21.01 | CC13 | TargetUnit(name)? |
| 15:21.18 | Maldivia | thats a tricky one |
| 15:21.27 | CC13 | It's myself i have to target if it simplifies it |
| 15:21.32 | Maldivia | need secure button for that |
| 15:21.37 | CC13 | TargetUnit("player")? |
| 15:22.19 | Maldivia | targetunit is protected, you cannot call it directoy |
| 15:22.26 | Maldivia | directly* |
| 15:22.30 | CC13 | :( |
| 15:22.48 | CC13 | So theres no way of easily targetting myself? |
| 15:23.10 | Maldivia | using a secure button, sure |
| 15:23.25 | CC13 | Someone sent a page where i could view the sourcecode of player |
| 15:23.28 | CC13 | Do you know that one? |
| 15:24.06 | Maldivia | scroll up and find it again :) |
| 15:24.13 | CC13 | I dont have it anymore |
| 15:24.23 | CC13 | I dont have the older chats |
| 15:24.50 | mikma | sourcecode of player?? |
| 15:24.53 | CC13 | nvm found it in history |
| 15:24.54 | CC13 | :D |
| 15:25.25 | Maldivia | ttp://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/ |
| 15:26.32 | CC13 | Hmm.. I cant really solve it myself |
| 15:26.42 | Maldivia | cant remember if it uses secure button or not, but blizzards code can do it all |
| 15:27.02 | nevcairiel | blizzard surely doesnt use their own magic, they just abuse their secure status |
| 15:27.10 | CC13 | :P |
| 15:27.28 | malreth | nevcairiel: we call it 'eating their own dog food' |
| 15:27.55 | Maldivia | nev, well they try to taint protect at least |
| 15:28.43 | CC13 | Do you know a webpage that explains how to? |
| 15:28.53 | Maldivia | cc13, look up secure buttons on wowwiki or wowprogramming |
| 15:28.57 | CC13 | ok |
| 15:29.36 | Satisfyme | is there a way to use wow's own tooltip or do I need to add one to my addon ? |
| 15:29.55 | Maldivia | you can use the default |
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| 15:30.19 | Maldivia | what do you need it for |
| 15:30.43 | Satisfyme | I wanna show a description on some buttons when mouse over them |
| 15:32.04 | Maldivia | GameTooltip:SetAnchor(...) GameTooltip:{add the data blah}} GameTooltip:Show() |
| 15:33.19 | Satisfyme | thanks :) |
| 15:33.56 | Kraps | Hey look everyone, BitMob uses real names! oh wait you can make up a name/use only one name/use initials |
| 15:34.18 | Maldivia | ? |
| 15:34.38 | Maldivia | what is bitmob |
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| 15:35.06 | Kraps | a gaming blog |
| 15:35.20 | Maldivia | ohh |
| 15:35.26 | Kraps | soome other blog used that as an argument |
| 15:36.57 | Maldivia | didn't blizzard look at what happened with google buzz |
| 15:37.20 | Kraps | the didnt look period |
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| 15:39.47 | Mihau | Hopefully some one can explain this. Go to Feats of Strength. This character has the Deadly Gladiator's Frostwyrm(Arena Season 5 Mount) achievement, but not the corresponding Deadly Gladiator title achievement. How does that happen when both are awarded for being in the top 0.5%? http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Blackrock&cn=Toezer&gn=winter+is+coming |
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| 15:40.20 | Maldivia | title are reset when next season is tallied |
| 15:40.23 | Satisfyme | Maldivia the GameTooltip:{add the data blah} is the a table format it's taking for each line? |
| 15:41.25 | Maldivia | look up gametooltip on wowprogramming and see its functions |
| 15:41.39 | Satisfyme | roger |
| 15:41.44 | Maldivia | AddLine, AddDoubleLine etc |
| 15:42.05 | Maldivia | or something like that |
| 15:42.21 | Satisfyme | yep yep :) |
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| 15:42.38 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:42.46 | Maldivia | wagon |
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| 15:43.21 | Mihau | Maldivia: You do not lose Rank One titles such as Deadly Gladiator. Even if you did, you would still have the achievement. |
| 15:43.54 | Maldivia | well, then you are bugged |
| 15:44.31 | Maldivia | i havent been in arena since season 2 |
| 15:45.25 | Mihau | Not my character actually and I see it for lots of characters. Trying to develop against armory achievements that do not exist! |
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| 15:46.22 | Maldivia | went to real life pvp after that |
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| 15:54.35 | Fisker | wow |
| 15:54.42 | Fisker | almost 2000 pages on us forums now |
| 15:57.07 | TC-Work | a whole 2K? NOWAI |
| 15:57.27 | nevcairiel | is it over 9000 yet? |
| 15:57.41 | Mihau | Over 9,000 replies! |
| 15:57.58 | Fisker | 9000 pages? |
| 15:57.59 | Fisker | naw |
| 15:58.05 | Fisker | but it's way over 9000 replies |
| 15:58.12 | Fisker | even the EU thread has reached over 9000 replies now |
| 15:58.13 | Lunessa | I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter how many pages of "this is a really bad idea" they get... Blizzard is going to go through with this until subscriber numbers drop to record lows. |
| 15:58.20 | Fisker | yep |
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| 15:58.29 | nevcairiel | which isnt going to happen |
| 15:58.45 | Mihau | The thing is that the subscribers will not drop, but forum participation will die. |
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| 15:59.01 | Fisker | The problem is that we'll likely ultimately loose because facebook integration and similar goes to further their brand even more |
| 15:59.13 | Fisker | The only chance we have is legislation |
| 15:59.16 | nevcairiel | I wonder how many of the 2000 pages are full of teh same people posting on their 10th char |
| 15:59.43 | Fisker | Well of course they can't check if the char is from the same account |
| 15:59.56 | Fisker | but i believe someone saw that atleast 1/3 of the posts were unique |
| 16:00.01 | nevcairiel | They can, but with that volume, i doubt they'll care to clean up :p |
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| 16:00.10 | Fisker | yeah Blizzard can |
| 16:00.12 | Fisker | but not us :P |
| 16:00.28 | Fisker | i'm king of page 500 btw nevcairiel |
| 16:00.37 | nevcairiel | who cares |
| 16:00.47 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:01.11 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 16:01.15 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel |
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| 16:01.23 | Fisker | you need to help me |
| 16:01.25 | foxlit | Wired: 2.14GB |
| 16:01.36 | foxlit | Page ins: 11.26GB |
| 16:01.40 | foxlit | That doesn't bode well. |
| 16:02.10 | nevcairiel | wasnt there some point when a thread on the forums basically dies due to too many posts? |
| 16:02.15 | nevcairiel | or did they fix the forum software? |
| 16:02.54 | foxlit | I think they purposefully cap thread sizes |
| 16:03.01 | foxlit | With the ability to extend the cap at will. |
| 16:03.16 | Fisker | btw |
| 16:03.31 | Fisker | it's pretty awesome irony when Wryxian claims that Ancilcorns reason for leaving is none of our business |
| 16:03.48 | nevcairiel | why is it? |
| 16:04.01 | nevcairiel | sharing your name is not the same as your private career choices |
| 16:04.06 | Fisker | My name isn't any of the forums business either |
| 16:05.04 | Fisker | I hope this escalates into infinity ward level drama |
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| 16:05.10 | Fisker | except 10 times bigger or something |
| 16:06.35 | Fisker | probably gonna get force rebooted in a second now :( |
| 16:06.44 | nevcairiel | byebye |
| 16:07.06 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=13816838128&pageNo=500 <-in the meantime, king of page 500! |
| 16:08.52 | malreth | Lunessa: I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter how many pages of "this is a really bad idea" they get... Blizzard is going to go through with this until subscriber numbers drop to record lows. |
| 16:08.55 | malreth | word |
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| 16:09.31 | Lunessa | Like a guru, my every word is wisdom, my every thought enlightenment. |
| 16:09.46 | malreth | talk is cheap. never posting on the forums ever again is meaningless. the only thing that will change their mind is if you cancel your account |
| 16:11.11 | vithos | very few people will cancel their account |
| 16:12.00 | vithos | it seems like the whole point of this is to reduce forum activity |
| 16:14.02 | TC-Work | well specific activity |
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| 16:19.02 | Lunessa | Why is it so difficult for people to understand the desire for privacy? Because they don't understand the potential repercussions. One bad post with your name on it can lead to job action. Just 2 months ago, someone here was fired for saying something on their facebook wall that their boss considered inappropriate. Google will be crawling the Blizzard forums. How many of us are willing to risk getting fired because we said something in anger? |
| 16:19.44 | PProvost | Why is it that people can't learn to control what they say in public? |
| 16:20.19 | durcyn | why don't you understand that there are trolls out there bored and malevolent enough to fuck with people just because they can, PProvost |
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| 16:20.35 | durcyn | go spend a day at 4chan, then ask yourself if you want them knowing anything about you |
| 16:20.50 | PProvost | I don't go there, specifically because of what you describe |
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| 16:21.44 | Lunessa | I'm very restrained. I've been living in an indexed and searchable world a long time. You'll find Usenet posts and other stuff from me going back to the early 90s. It's still a danger. |
| 16:22.20 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/box/bhex.png << why am I subtly annoyed by this image? |
| 16:23.02 | Lunessa | foxlit: It maybe an optical illusion, but the sides to not /look/ equal in length. |
| 16:23.45 | foxlit | Lunessa: any particular pair? |
| 16:24.31 | Lunessa | The side 4. Using a ruler i can see that they are, but they don't look it at first glance. |
| 16:25.12 | foxlit | I used Math. They really should be equal, but there's something about it that doesn't look right. |
| 16:25.13 | vithos | they aren't |
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| 16:25.21 | vithos | turn your head and look at it sideways |
| 16:25.25 | vithos | doesn't look the same |
| 16:25.51 | Lunessa | My ruler says they're equal, but they look wrong. |
| 16:26.24 | vithos | are all the angles equal? |
| 16:26.25 | cog|work | the sides can be equal without the angles being equal |
| 16:26.38 | cog|work | it looks a bit squished horizontally |
| 16:26.50 | Ackis | lua> for i=1,1000000,1 do print("pompy: DERP") end |
| 16:26.53 | lua_bot | Ackis: pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, pompy: DERP, p... (result truncated) |
| 16:27.03 | Lunessa | ~lart Ackis |
| 16:27.03 | purl | sends a legion of lawyers after Ackis's head |
| 16:27.09 | foxlit | Thing cog's onto it. |
| 16:27.23 | Ackis | result truncated Lunessa |
| 16:28.50 | Maldivia | foxlit: the angles aren't the same, that's the issue |
| 16:29.14 | Ackis | my new MMO: http://tinyurl.com/2uv6tvr |
| 16:29.17 | malreth | wait a minnit... how can the sides be equal but the angles not in a closed polygon? |
| 16:29.25 | cog|work | malreth: lern2nottriangle |
| 16:30.00 | TC-Work | the angles dont always have to go in the same direction |
| 16:30.02 | cog|work | only triangles are stable like that |
| 16:30.12 | cog|work | (hence their use in construction) |
| 16:30.12 | TC-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.34 | cog|work | simplest example is an equilateral parallelogram |
| 16:30.39 | Maldivia | foxlit: take the image and rotate it 60 degrees in an image editor, and you'll see :P |
| 16:31.25 | malreth | right, but if the sides are actually all equal length, then the angles must also be equal. |
| 16:31.29 | cog|work | wrong |
| 16:31.38 | cog|work | sorry :( |
| 16:31.57 | Maldivia | foxlit: http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/bhex2.png <-- that's the image rotated 60 degrees :P |
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| 16:32.53 | cog|work | malreth: i promise that's only true for triangles |
| 16:33.06 | Cide | the angles only have to be equal if it's a regular polyhedron |
| 16:33.10 | foxlit | So I guess the answer is that I'm annoyed by it because it's not a regular hexagon. |
| 16:33.18 | malreth | oh wait... yeah, you're right |
| 16:33.20 | Cide | or polygon rather |
| 16:33.26 | Cide | wrong dimension |
| 16:33.28 | cog|work | Cide: that's actually the definition of being regular |
| 16:33.35 | Cide | right :P |
| 16:33.39 | malreth | so conclusion is that the angles must be incorrect |
| 16:33.45 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 16:34.06 | foxlit | malreth: They're correct for the intention; I just axed two rotational symmetry axis. |
| 16:34.24 | foxlit | Annoying, though. |
| 16:35.10 | malreth | you should be put to death for your incorrect maths |
| 16:35.15 | Lunessa | Maybe NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOpyyrtzgBU |
| 16:35.17 | Cide | so who's looking forward to Horse Star? |
| 16:35.23 | foxlit | Hey, my math was about preserving a 1:1 aspect ratio :) |
| 16:36.07 | malreth | banishes foxlit to a non-euclidian plane |
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| 16:37.10 | foxlit | eep :( |
| 16:37.53 | malreth | http://www.theonion.com/articles/desire-to-ejaculate-motivates-local-christian-to-w,798/ |
| 16:38.37 | Cide | http://www.girlgamersuk.com/2010/07/horse-lovers-rejoice/ |
| 16:41.43 | Lunessa | ... Cide... "Pony Training" has a very specific set of connotations in the fetish world. |
| 16:42.00 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 16:42.47 | olafski | lol malreth :P |
| 16:43.10 | Lunessa | http://www.girlgamersuk.com/ - peppy, they totally use the phrase in their tag line too. |
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| 16:44.02 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 16:44.48 | kd3 | so crazily enough... it appears to be an issue with heat |
| 16:45.22 | Lunessa | for your disconnects? |
| 16:45.26 | kd3 | yar |
| 16:45.38 | Lunessa | Router cooking itself? Or the swtich? |
| 16:45.47 | kd3 | neither. the phone cable coming in from outside |
| 16:46.00 | kd3 | it's fine once the sun sets and it cools off after a few hours up until the afternoon or so |
| 16:46.06 | kd3 | according to the logs I've been running |
| 16:46.15 | kd3 | so I should start flaking out any time now >.< |
| 16:46.58 | Lunessa | kd3: Yeah, had a similar problem here. at one place, my DSL dropped out every time it rained. Because the telco equipment was improperly sealed and got wet. |
| 16:47.30 | Lunessa | And this was at their equipment 2 blocks from my home. |
| 16:47.45 | kd3 | ya, been there, done that too. >.< |
| 16:48.39 | Lunessa | Did you report the heat issue to your provider, and if so, did they laugh or tell you that you couldn't possibly be right? |
| 16:49.45 | kd3 | ya. I've got the cell phone of the tech that was out here yesterday. he's inclined to agree and is going to rerun the cable in a few days |
| 16:51.08 | Lunessa | That's good. |
| 16:52.29 | Lopeppeppy | When it's cool enough for him to work. |
| 16:52.34 | Lopeppeppy | comforts kd3. |
| 16:52.48 | kd3 | it'll be around the crack of dawn monday morning |
| 16:53.05 | kd3 | felt really bad for him up in his attic yesterday |
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| 16:55.30 | mikma | this realID fuck is almost as juicy as blizz's addon policy |
| 16:56.00 | Cloudwolf | any one else having issues logging into the us servers? |
| 16:56.12 | Cloudwolf | >.< |
| 16:56.36 | Cloudwolf | also mikma i heard a news station reference the realid forum thing this morning |
| 16:56.47 | Cloudwolf | don't think they have a story on it but it atleast got referenced |
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| 16:58.05 | wereHamster | so, uhm.. just don't enter your real name into the battle.net account ..? |
| 16:58.26 | Cloudwolf | tobad once you have thers no way to change it... i dont think |
| 16:58.30 | olafski | then you're in for a fun deal if you ever need support |
| 16:58.42 | olafski | serious support that is |
| 16:58.48 | olafski | what's wrong with the addon policy? maybe I missed something |
| 16:59.25 | kd3 | were you not around for that? cog got de-MVPed over the issue |
| 16:59.37 | Cloudwolf | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38149279 |
| 16:59.47 | olafski | I don't really follow forums |
| 17:00.12 | cog|work | kd3: nuh uh |
| 17:00.19 | olafski | "I have lost 4 jobs in the last year, all with reasons being that I put too much of my money into games," <-- uhuh |
| 17:00.25 | cog|work | i quit mvp months before |
| 17:00.40 | kd3 | s/de-MVPed/post-wiped/ |
| 17:00.45 | cog|work | :) |
| 17:00.48 | mikma | cloudwolf: lol, big scale, big |
| 17:01.10 | Maldivia | kd3: I had heat issues with my cable as well at some point, on very hot days the internet would go out |
| 17:02.06 | Ackis | http://www.twitlonger.com/show/2cohha <-- Real ID rumor!!!1!! |
| 17:02.17 | Ackis | cog|work will always be a greenie to me! In my heart. |
| 17:02.27 | cog|work | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/b%26.jpg |
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| 17:06.04 | mikma | HAH! now i get the reason of blue posters quitting their jobs! |
| 17:06.14 | mikma | they dont want to have their names out |
| 17:06.36 | mikma | hey knew about this idea months before... |
| 17:06.47 | Lopeppeppy | Time for job-searching! |
| 17:07.01 | Ackis | aww It just says that I have no active account instead of you've been banned dumbass |
| 17:07.23 | mikma | basicly they had 2 options. 1) post with real name, 2) jobhunt (cousin of duckhunt!) |
| 17:08.51 | malreth | mikma: that some tinfoil hat thinking... but i like it! |
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| 17:09.01 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 17:09.39 | malreth | Cide: i'm entirely disappointed in the 3d tree rendering for that pony training game you linked |
| 17:09.45 | Cloudwolf | hmm so you can no longer request donations even on an external website? |
| 17:10.09 | mikma | cog|work: did i ever remembered to say "owned" to your ban? =/ |
| 17:10.31 | cog|work | mikma: dunno... |
| 17:10.33 | cog|work | ~irclogs |
| 17:10.36 | Ackis | wow Cide copied what I linked... what a douche! |
| 17:10.40 | cog|work | ~logs |
| 17:10.40 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily |
| 17:10.45 | mikma | cog|work: owned |
| 17:10.46 | malreth | Cloudwolf: you can request donations on external websites... just not in game |
| 17:10.54 | Cide | Ackis, oh, so that's why I had it up suddenly |
| 17:10.55 | mikma | yeah, 1year late~ |
| 17:11.01 | Cide | well congrats on being first, silly nub |
| 17:11.07 | Ackis | Cide: hehe thanks :P |
| 17:11.16 | Cloudwolf | oh thats hold news and i don't care one bit |
| 17:11.16 | Ackis | pony trains Cide |
| 17:11.19 | mikma | ackis: owned |
| 17:12.15 | mikma | i once got a 3 hour ban too, while i was sleeping! owned. |
| 17:12.31 | cog|work | mikma: they owned themselves more than they owned me imo ;) |
| 17:12.33 | Kraps | Ackis: harrumph @ your link |
| 17:12.34 | Ackis | why am I owned? |
| 17:12.44 | mikma | industrial also got owned |
| 17:12.53 | mikma | ackis: banned/hacked acco or something |
| 17:13.01 | Ackis | ah |
| 17:13.12 | Ackis | 2 of my 4 accounts are forum banned |
| 17:13.17 | Ackis | 1 deserved, 1 bliz == douche |
| 17:14.11 | Ackis | but the tinyurl linking to lemon party was worth the first ban :D |
| 17:14.27 | Ackis | well not really |
| 17:14.31 | Ackis | but it was funny at the time |
| 17:14.56 | Kraps | "It's a video game site...who cares. Grown-ups actually have jobs and family's to tend to. Playing video games is for kids....how about...go outside...i know, what a concept huh. Here is another piece of advice....grow up. Video games are for children, not grown men & women." |
| 17:15.06 | Kraps | ok ima fuck this guy up |
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| 17:16.37 | olafski | so what was the addon policy issue? :< |
| 17:17.14 | Cloudwolf | can't charge for addons |
| 17:17.20 | olafski | that's it? |
| 17:17.21 | Cloudwolf | can't solicit donations in your addon |
| 17:17.25 | olafski | that was a big deal? :S |
| 17:17.27 | Cloudwolf | can only ask for donations on an external website when dling |
| 17:17.28 | malreth | olafski: addon authors can't beg for money or force you to pay them for an addon. |
| 17:17.44 | Cloudwolf | olafski to some im sure its a big deal to others its not a big deal. |
| 17:17.48 | olafski | I thought the only one who didn't like that was the carbonite authors |
| 17:18.02 | cog|work | olafski: it was more than that |
| 17:18.05 | olafski | hm |
| 17:18.12 | cog|work | but still |
| 17:18.14 | TC-Work | no no Cloudwolf, you can still beg, just not as well |
| 17:18.17 | cog|work | people were tools about it |
| 17:18.17 | olafski | and they wiped your posts because you spoke out against it? |
| 17:18.28 | Cloudwolf | didn't i say beg in the addon? |
| 17:18.28 | Maldivia | olafski: it's Blizzard dictating what you can and cannot do with what's rigthfully your creation |
| 17:18.30 | cog|work | saying things like addon authors don't deserve compensation |
| 17:18.43 | Cloudwolf | "can't solicit donations in your addon" |
| 17:18.46 | olafski | a creation using their program though |
| 17:18.47 | cog|work | it really brought out the user base's entitlement complex |
| 17:18.54 | cog|work | olafski: so? |
| 17:19.12 | cog|work | stop |
| 17:19.14 | cog|work | s |
| 17:19.15 | olafski | well if it's in the license agreement they can do what they want I figured :/ |
| 17:19.17 | cog|work | olafski: |
| 17:19.20 | cog|work | go read forums |
| 17:19.22 | cog|work | or chat logs |
| 17:19.25 | olafski | nah I'll just leave it then |
| 17:19.26 | cog|work | we don't need to do this again |
| 17:19.28 | Ackis | eeek |
| 17:19.31 | olafski | really can't be bothered to go to forums :P |
| 17:19.42 | Maldivia | then you can't be bothered to discuss it either. |
| 17:19.43 | olafski | thanks for the answer :) |
| 17:19.52 | Ackis | iirc cog|work said he'd never play wow again and cancelled all his subs... :P |
| 17:20.07 | cog|work | never said never :P |
| 17:20.07 | olafski | bbl gf has to raid :) |
| 17:20.13 | malreth | which is why he's in the beta and Fisker isn't |
| 17:20.17 | Ackis | Ackis: 1 cog|work 0 ;) |
| 17:20.20 | TC-Work | oh, not you Cloudwolf, i meant malreth. |
| 17:20.23 | Ackis | ~love cog|work |
| 17:20.24 | purl | If you love cog|work so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 17:20.27 | Cloudwolf | k |
| 17:20.48 | malreth | cog|work: 93 Fisker: -2 |
| 17:20.55 | cog|work | ~karma cogwheel |
| 17:20.55 | purl | cogwheel has karma of 9 |
| 17:20.58 | cog|work | ~karma fisker |
| 17:20.58 | purl | fisker has karma of 9 |
| 17:21.00 | cog|work | ! |
| 17:21.13 | malreth | ~karma malreth |
| 17:21.13 | purl | malreth has neutral karma |
| 17:21.19 | malreth | pbbbblllt |
| 17:21.20 | Ackis | ~cogwheel++ |
| 17:21.50 | Kraps | there are now almost 500 articles about realid in google news |
| 17:21.59 | TC-Work | ~karma Ackis |
| 17:21.59 | purl | ackis has karma of 1 |
| 17:22.22 | Ackis | I was at like 5 the other day |
| 17:22.25 | Ackis | someone karma bombed me |
| 17:22.34 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you know these things .. is there some easy and handy way to detect heap or stack corruption when it occurs, not when its too late and everything crashes? =P like, some tool in VS? :) |
| 17:22.39 | TC-Work | wish there was a karma history |
| 17:22.47 | malreth | Kraps: and there are more articles on wikipedia about Jedi than birth control... proves nothing. |
| 17:23.38 | mikma | ~cogwheel++ |
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| 17:24.05 | Ackis | jedi are important, birth control, not so much |
| 17:24.06 | Ackis | :D |
| 17:24.24 | malreth | Ackis: particularly since the Jedi cannot have families. |
| 17:24.29 | Kraps | malreth: not the same thing |
| 17:24.42 | malreth | Kraps: i know. also, i lied. |
| 17:24.42 | mikma | ~karma mikma |
| 17:24.42 | purl | mikma has karma of -2 |
| 17:24.44 | mikma | woo! |
| 17:24.49 | cog|work | aborts Ackis's fetus with the Force |
| 17:24.58 | Ackis | cog|work: force crush? |
| 17:25.02 | Ackis | <-- going to hell |
| 17:25.07 | mikma | ~fisker-- |
| 17:25.09 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:25.11 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:25.12 | malreth | it's like a milkshake in your uterus |
| 17:25.14 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:25.26 | cog|work | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large beta-enabled account |
| 17:25.34 | Ackis | so when I tried to log into the wow forums, it listed all my characters on all my accounts |
| 17:25.39 | Kraps | my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard |
| 17:25.48 | Ackis | I have a character called Megadumpalot |
| 17:26.07 | Dashkal | >.< |
| 17:26.08 | Dashkal | ew |
| 17:27.03 | malreth | i apologize to all the real women who've had real abortions |
| 17:27.13 | malreth | but not the ones who've had fake abortions |
| 17:28.19 | malreth | i had a girlfriend who faked an abortion once... she faked everything else, too, now that i think of it |
| 17:28.19 | Ackis | Dashkal: I had a friend who was called Megadopolous and I was mocking her with that toon |
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| 17:29.40 | Kraps | check out the new erectile dysfunction drug: Mycoxaflopin |
| 17:31.34 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: RDR will have 4 DLC packs it seems... fun |
| 17:33.34 | olafski | I just got lego batman in :D |
| 17:33.40 | olafski | can't wait for crackdown 2 though |
| 17:33.43 | Ycarene | emerge -uDNav world |
| 17:34.03 | Lunessa | malreth: With you, no way? |
| 17:34.45 | Ackis | olafski: lego harry potter yet? |
| 17:34.48 | olafski | no |
| 17:34.51 | olafski | didn't really like the demo |
| 17:34.56 | Ackis | I have batman and star wars, gonna finish off NHL 2k8 first |
| 17:35.02 | olafski | maybe I'll try it again sometime |
| 17:35.06 | olafski | starwars TCS? |
| 17:35.10 | olafski | I need to play 1 online map ;) |
| 17:35.24 | olafski | think that's all the online achievements that one has |
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| 17:36.10 | kd3|hate`net | insert kd3 chirping a laugh here |
| 17:36.39 | malreth | Lunessa: in my defense, i was only 14 and didn't know piss about sex. in my ignorance, i decided to fake my orgasms, too. |
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| 17:38.37 | olafski | :D |
| 17:38.55 | Ackis | olafski: the star wars one that has all 6 episodes in it, I don't have the other one (yet) |
| 17:39.06 | olafski | why would you get the other one? :S |
| 17:39.07 | Ackis | fakes his orgasm all over malreth |
| 17:39.11 | olafski | for points I guess :< |
| 17:39.14 | Ackis | 1000 more gamerscore :) |
| 17:39.18 | Lunessa | malreth: I was going to lol, but then I :( 'ed - but now I'll lol. |
| 17:39.28 | olafski | blegh |
| 17:40.05 | Ackis | I still need my horse and me 2 :( |
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| 17:44.34 | Kraps | this is the new hitlerish remix vid, second one ive seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgAkWxcPBE |
| 17:44.40 | TC-Work | :( Ackis |
| 17:44.46 | Ackis | olafski: did you get crackdown 2? |
| 17:44.55 | Ackis | TC-Work: which of my statements are you :(ing too? |
| 17:45.17 | TC-Work | Ackis: your horse and me 2 |
| 17:45.56 | Ackis | it's easy gamerscore |
| 17:46.02 | Ackis | that and hannah montant |
| 17:46.04 | Ackis | *montana |
| 17:46.12 | Ackis | did you know that hannah montana is miley cirus? |
| 17:46.17 | Ackis | or however you spell their names |
| 17:47.02 | olafski | ackis: ordered it |
| 17:47.04 | cog|work | Ackis: i didn't until a few weeks ago |
| 17:47.10 | Kraps | Ackis: cyrus |
| 17:47.24 | TC-Work | Kraps: fanboi |
| 17:47.26 | Ackis | olafski: you should give me the avatar item that comes with it ;) |
| 17:47.33 | Kraps | TC-Work: ... |
| 17:47.36 | olafski | oO |
| 17:47.45 | olafski | I get an avatar item? |
| 17:47.55 | olafski | I thought I'd get some unique agent outfits |
| 17:48.06 | Kraps | TC-Work: HE WAS WRONG, ON THE INTERNET |
| 17:48.11 | TC-Work | no need to be so defensive Kraps |
| 17:48.22 | TC-Work | it's ok for you to like her |
| 17:48.27 | Ackis | olafski: I think so lol I think you get some outfits too |
| 17:48.34 | olafski | hm |
| 17:48.47 | Ackis | Crackdown 2 Agency-Issue Armor DLC Code Xbox 360 and then there's a helicopter prop thing |
| 17:49.18 | olafski | hmkay |
| 17:49.20 | olafski | cool :) |
| 17:49.20 | Kraps | whats the page level of the sticky? OVER TWO THOUSAND |
| 17:49.42 | olafski | haven't even had word that they shipped it yet though |
| 17:49.55 | Ackis | it came out already though right? |
| 17:49.59 | olafski | no clue |
| 17:50.15 | olafski | the ign review wasn't that positive :( |
| 17:50.21 | olafski | but care, I don't need new stuff |
| 17:50.24 | olafski | just need more of the same :) |
| 17:51.34 | Shirik_ | wow |
| 17:51.34 | Shirik_ | this is epic |
| 17:51.50 | Shirik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.50 | Shirik_ | const int PRECOMPILED_EXPOSES_SOMETHING_TO_MAKE_LINKER_HAPPY = 1; |
| 17:51.57 | olafski | ackis: july 6th in US |
| 17:53.53 | Kraps | is it possible that they didnt forsee this response? |
| 17:54.00 | olafski | unlikely |
| 17:54.10 | olafski | they're not stupid I imagine |
| 17:54.17 | olafski | if that rumour ackis posted is true, that's a good explanation |
| 17:55.41 | cog|work | ~poke Shirik_ |
| 17:55.42 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik_, pokes Shirik_ repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 17:57.02 | Kraps | olafski: http://twitter.com/bringing_chaos lolololo |
| 17:58.41 | Ackis | Kraps: tweets r protected |
| 17:59.30 | Kraps | Ackis: thats the lol |
| 17:59.59 | olafski | I don't get it :( |
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| 18:00.09 | olafski | I assume it was a reply to something I said |
| 18:00.32 | olafski | is that guy someone I should recognise? :P |
| 18:01.07 | olafski | oh well, time to game.. cya |
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| 18:10.47 | malreth | http://8bitcity.com/map?Austin,-97.738435864773,30.285558250832,18 |
| 18:10.57 | foxlit | olafski: a link a while back |
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| 18:12.01 | durcyn | malreth: east campus looks a bit off, pretty sure taylor hall is larger than that |
| 18:13.41 | malreth | hmm... yeah. that is a bit wrong |
| 18:13.57 | malreth | durcyn: didn't know you went to UT |
| 18:14.24 | durcyn | didn't graduate, spent some time learning to hate the CS department ten years ago |
| 18:14.43 | durcyn | hence, taylor. i remember those basements. |
| 18:15.11 | malreth | as do i |
| 18:15.41 | Lunessa | My experience with the UT campus is... walking along the edge of it or stopping for pizza across the street from it. |
| 18:15.45 | malreth | spent a lot of time there and in the basement of Painter |
| 18:20.04 | Kraps | olafski: thats the user who posted the rumer |
| 18:20.09 | Kraps | rumor* |
| 18:24.06 | Shirik_ | cog|work: ? |
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| 18:26.00 | cog|work | ? |
| 18:26.06 | cog|work | that was in response to what you said |
| 18:26.06 | batrick | ? |
| 18:26.12 | cog|work | also |
| 18:26.15 | cog|work | ohi |
| 18:26.20 | cog|work | (from last night) |
| 18:26.32 | batrick | Shirik_ never talks to me anymore :( |
| 18:26.50 | batrick | Shirik_ should play me chess qq |
| 18:27.05 | Ackis | http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/appeals+to+stop+iran+stoning+woman+aposadultererapos/3703682 |
| 18:27.07 | Ackis | lol |
| 18:27.08 | Ackis | wtf |
| 18:27.12 | Ackis | derp |
| 18:27.39 | cog|work | islam derp derpadoo |
| 18:28.17 | Ackis | although one of the times I think the adulterer should be executed is when their spouse is serving overseas in the military... they should be charged with treason, taken out back and shot |
| 18:28.37 | Shirik_ | I'm at work batrick |
| 18:28.45 | batrick | o ya? |
| 18:28.47 | batrick | so am i |
| 18:28.54 | cog|work | points at his nick |
| 18:29.18 | Ackis | I'm at work too |
| 18:29.27 | Ackis | is it can be bonding time nao? |
| 18:29.54 | cog|work | glues Ackis' butt cheeks together with Krazy Glue |
| 18:30.00 | cog|work | THAT's bonding |
| 18:31.41 | cog|work | peanut butters |Jelly| |
| 18:32.05 | |Jelly| | ~lart cog|work |
| 18:32.05 | purl | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in cog|work's direction, hitting cog|work and sending cog|work flying into the closet |
| 18:32.17 | cog|work | purl: rawr |
| 18:32.18 | purl | from memory, rawr is a demigod to everyone who isnt a jew, or program for comparing and exploring gear for Bears, Cats, Moonkin, Warlocks, Mages, Retadins, ProtWarriors, and Healadins (http://www.codeplex.com/Rawr) |
| 18:32.25 | cog|work | O.o |
| 18:32.27 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89_dF5V7HBM |
| 18:32.32 | Ackis | ohh cog was touching my bum! |
| 18:33.12 | cog|work | goose feather pillows > * |
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| 18:35.06 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.24 | Kraps | as a jew: lul |
| 18:36.35 | Ackis | you're a jew? |
| 18:36.40 | Ackis | makes jew jokes. |
| 18:36.42 | batrick | no u r |
| 18:36.47 | Ackis | doesn't know any :( |
| 18:36.50 | Ackis | jokes that is |
| 18:36.51 | Ackis | not jews |
| 18:37.16 | Kraps | stop tripping over yourself plz |
| 18:37.36 | Ackis | I always make it a point to wish my jewish friends a merry christmas |
| 18:37.52 | Kraps | heh |
| 18:38.42 | Ackis | they wish me the jewish holiday that starts with an H that I can never spell back and we go on our merry ways |
| 18:39.06 | alestane | That's because it's not romanized consistently. |
| 18:39.42 | Ackis | no, it's because of my own ignorance |
| 18:39.49 | alestane | ... |
| 18:40.03 | alestane | ...there is an item in the WC3 editor called "Phat lewt." |
| 18:40.12 | alestane | It says "There is no phatter lewt than this." |
| 18:40.26 | Kraps | if you goyim would be able to say a correct ch sound there wouldn't be a problem |
| 18:40.35 | Kraps | :p |
| 18:40.40 | cog|work | can! |
| 18:40.44 | malreth | i can |
| 18:40.56 | cog|work | choughs up some chlegm at chraps |
| 18:41.45 | Kraps | lolo |
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| 18:46.49 | Lunessa | Ackis: US Federal Law prevents divorce from active duty members until they return from war (re: your rant above about adultery) http://www.defense.gov/specials/relief_act_revision/index.html. |
| 18:47.41 | Fisker | i hate you Lunessa |
| 18:47.56 | Lunessa | Make up your damned mind. |
| 18:48.32 | Ackis | Lunessa: You've gone to far! You've researched it! |
| 18:48.33 | Ackis | https://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/funny-facebook-random-adds.png |
| 18:49.03 | Lunessa | Ackis: I knew about it, but I wanted to look up a reference before weighing in. |
| 18:49.20 | Ackis | link didn't work for me.. oh cuz of the . |
| 18:51.14 | Lunessa | In in good news... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703609004575355072271264394.html |
| 18:52.20 | alestane | That's a start, Lunessa. |
| 18:52.35 | Lunessa | alestane: Yeah, promising. |
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| 18:53.36 | Maldivia | ties kd3 to purl |
| 18:55.53 | Ackis | "Please do not ship large quantities of things to Bobby to express your disagreement with #realid. That would be mean" from @BlizzardPR |
| 18:55.54 | Ackis | lol |
| 18:56.39 | batrick | on twatter? |
| 18:56.51 | Ackis | yup |
| 18:56.59 | batrick | sounds suggestive to me |
| 18:57.08 | Ackis | very |
| 18:57.14 | Ackis | TomTom now supports Yoda voices |
| 18:57.20 | batrick | roffles |
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| 18:57.37 | Maldivia | so much for using purl as an anchor... |
| 18:58.26 | Mihau | The building maintenance finally brought in a portable air conditioner as temporary fix until the roof unit gets fixed. As usual, it tripped the circuit breaker thus leaving us with out computers and cooling. |
| 18:59.22 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdcJVuylmsM |
| 19:02.20 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ljFfL-mL70 |
| 19:02.23 | Ackis | second one is darth vader |
| 19:02.38 | durcyn | first one better be chad vader |
| 19:03.44 | Ackis | lol last part of darth vader is win |
| 19:05.22 | Dagmar | Mihau: SO I guess cooling there doesn't exactly follow n+1 datacenter rules. Bummer. |
| 19:06.57 | Mihau | Dagmar: Not a data center, our development office. Crappy building with bad power supply. |
| 19:07.43 | Dagmar | Mihau: Make sure someone understands that it's cheaper to proactively have redundancy for those essential systems than it is to lose productivity for extended periods *without warning or control* |
| 19:08.35 | Mihau | Oh, we understand. |
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| 19:08.42 | Mihau | This legal thing called a lease. D: |
| 19:08.49 | Dagmar | WEll, you understand *now* |
| 19:09.03 | Dagmar | I'd be planning an office move if the building management can't grasp it. |
| 19:09.23 | Dagmar | If your management understood it before this, they wouldn't be in that facility |
| 19:12.38 | Mihau | Dagmar: You are assuming a bunch of things. :P |
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| 19:14.08 | Dagmar | Actually I'm deducing them, and I work in a datacenter... and I've been one of the guys who makes those decisions at a couple of jobs I've had in the past |
| 19:14.44 | Dagmar | It's _really_ hard to get the average accountant to see the numbers on that until you lay it out for them, or the office misses a deadline because things were "all effed up" for a few badly-placed days |
| 19:15.43 | frontendloader | we're running 3.3.5 right now right? |
| 19:15.54 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 19:15.55 | Dagmar | 3.3.5a I think, but close enough |
| 19:16.11 | frontendloader | fudge, wirebrain.de doesn't have that patch for DDL |
| 19:16.30 | Dagmar | There's other mirrors on wowwiki that might have it |
| 19:16.47 | Dagmar | Rapidshare is good for more than just porn and warez |
| 19:16.51 | Dagmar | (astonishingly) |
| 19:17.32 | frontendloader | I am not a fan of rapidshare, wait times/captchas are for people who aren't lazy |
| 19:18.07 | Ackis | nice retweet tekkub |
| 19:18.16 | tekkub | ^^ |
| 19:18.26 | Ackis | "RealID won't kill my desire to play. Activision running Blizzard into the ground and causing a potential Blizzard North-style exodus will." |
| 19:18.43 | tekkub | Fyreuni RT'd it first |
| 19:18.53 | tekkub | I used to be in a guild with her waaaay back when |
| 19:19.21 | Fisker | can i love you Ackis ? |
| 19:19.27 | Ackis | don't you already Fisker? |
| 19:19.36 | Ackis | I'm not following her, I will now however |
| 19:19.44 | Kalroth | First Infinity Ward, now Blizzard! |
| 19:19.52 | Dagmar | Ackis: Yeah I think the "we'll collect feedback and forward it on" may have been a little telling |
| 19:20.00 | Dagmar | forward it to who |
| 19:20.18 | tekkub | she draws a wow comic too |
| 19:20.28 | Ackis | she lives in Calgary |
| 19:20.28 | tekkub | I've whined for cameos but she's stubborn |
| 19:20.47 | Fisker | IW level drama yet Kalroth ? |
| 19:20.57 | Fisker | or just hoping? |
| 19:21.10 | Kalroth | Fisker: There is already some internal drama, but it's still pretty minor |
| 19:21.27 | Fisker | what drama is that? |
| 19:21.44 | Fisker | just the stuff about supposedly a lot of people being against it as well? |
| 19:21.58 | Ackis | tekkub: her comic looks amusing :) |
| 19:22.34 | Kalroth | Fisker: Yeah, there's also rumours of a few people that quit because of it, but nothing solid and it's probably false |
| 19:23.41 | Ackis | http://daily-quests.com/comic/?p=753 heh |
| 19:24.36 | Fisker | Battle.net 2.0: The last stand |
| 19:24.51 | Dagmar | Just about |
| 19:25.03 | frontendloader | see there is something to be said for the simplicity of wirebrain.de, I've been on wowwiki for like 5 minutes now and still don't have a working patch download |
| 19:25.09 | Dagmar | I'm not even sure I can continue suporting them with my dollars if they make this change. It's just that irresponsible. |
| 19:25.21 | Cide | stupid retweet, tekkub |
| 19:25.22 | frontendloader | everywhere wants me to enable javascript or sit in a queue |
| 19:25.25 | tekkub | oh look FFVIX is coming out soon |
| 19:25.38 | Lunessa | Her art style reminds me of the Billy & Mandy cartoon |
| 19:25.47 | tekkub | I wonder if shit will impact the rotary cooling device when it does |
| 19:25.49 | Dagmar | frontendloader: Ah yeah, hit up the Rapidshare mirror. There's the usual 60s wait for free users, but beyond that it'll be fast and over with |
| 19:25.54 | tekkub | or if wow players just won't care |
| 19:26.18 | Dagmar | tekkub: they'll *start* caring when they notice the people speaking reason get run off by the cranks |
| 19:26.52 | tekkub | you seem to think more highly of the wow playerbase than I do |
| 19:26.56 | Dagmar | HOpefuly they won't create another big "cyberbullying" incident where some kid kills themself |
| 19:27.42 | frontendloader | Dagmar: I wanted to be able to wget it so I could throttle the download |
| 19:28.01 | Dagmar | Ah... yeah that's a bit more annoying to pull off |
| 19:28.07 | frontendloader | I can do that from wirebrain, but not from rapidshare unless I do some work extracting the link I get forwarded to |
| 19:28.16 | Dagmar | ...and the cookie |
| 19:28.24 | frontendloader | don't need the cookie |
| 19:28.36 | Ackis | Dagmar: what is more scary IMO than a kid killing himself, is a kid hunting down another kid and stabbing him like that CS player did |
| 19:28.55 | Dagmar | Ackis: yeah, that's a concern too |
| 19:29.10 | Dagmar | That joke about what's the hardest part of playing Alliance comes to mind |
| 19:29.25 | Dagmar | (A: "Telling your parents you're gay.") |
| 19:29.49 | Ackis | I don't get it |
| 19:29.50 | Ackis | :P |
| 19:29.53 | frontendloader | speaking of telling your parents things |
| 19:30.12 | Cloudwolf | i have to say thats not a funny joke dagmar... |
| 19:30.13 | frontendloader | I've seen a bunch of threads on reddit lately about, "So I'm going to tell my parents I'm an Atheist" |
| 19:30.23 | Fisker | btw Ackis |
| 19:30.26 | Fisker | i came |
| 19:30.28 | Fisker | on you |
| 19:30.29 | frontendloader | I've been struggling with the same thing except in the other direction |
| 19:30.31 | Fisker | came on you |
| 19:30.32 | NeoTron | Dagmar: see this is such a special moment. Dagmar and me agree on something |
| 19:30.33 | Dagmar | Ackis: That's because it's a Horde joke |
| 19:30.38 | frontendloader | my parents are Atheist, but I'm a closet Christian. |
| 19:30.42 | Ackis | Fisker: you did? |
| 19:30.45 | Fisker | yeah |
| 19:30.47 | Ackis | oh |
| 19:30.47 | frontendloader | and I haven't told them yet |
| 19:30.50 | Fisker | also insert sketchy drawings |
| 19:30.50 | Dagmar | NeoTron: I agree with a number of people... generally only when they're right tho'\ |
| 19:31.10 | NeoTron | we typically disagree on what's right but not in this case |
| 19:31.17 | NeoTron | it's a fucking stupid thing to even consider |
| 19:31.17 | Dagmar | frontendloader; You can soften the blow by claiming to be agnostic |
| 19:31.21 | Dagmar | THey'll respect that |
| 19:31.27 | NeoTron | what I fail to understand is what the gain is for them |
| 19:31.55 | frontendloader | well, I wouldn't call my parents Atheist in fact, just non-religious |
| 19:32.01 | Cloudwolf | who gain? what neotron? |
| 19:32.02 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Someone read the articles about Mark Zuckerberg making a PILE of money by making Facebook users re-think privacy every six months |
| 19:32.24 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure that's what it's coming down to |
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| 19:32.36 | frontendloader | Atheism is such a dirty word anyway, it conjures up sentiments of bashing religion rather than simply having your life be absent of any belief in a diety. |
| 19:33.00 | Dagmar | They also overlook that Facebook almost always has to back these changes out at least partially when they do it |
| 19:33.01 | frontendloader | God Hater would be more accurate in most circumstances when someone claims to be an Atheist |
| 19:33.33 | Dagmar | This is why claiming agnosticism works. You can still worship "just to be on the safe side" |
| 19:33.35 | NeoTron | Cloudwolf: what does Blizzard gain on exposing our names |
| 19:33.46 | Cloudwolf | selling names to potential advertisers |
| 19:33.47 | NeoTron | they aren't doing it for fun, there has to be a perceived monetary gain here |
| 19:34.03 | Dagmar | Yes. Facebook makes a pile of money |
| 19:34.18 | Kalroth | Facebook doesn't, Zynga however .. |
| 19:34.20 | Dagmar | They do it by letting advertisers have a lot of information on their users |
| 19:34.45 | Dagmar | ...but Facebook already has people focused on their "real" identities |
| 19:34.48 | Ackis | heh drama between the Director of Policy and Enforcement for Xbox LIVE and Adam Sessler on twitter... i'm amused |
| 19:35.01 | Dagmar | It's correct in the scope of Facebook's usage |
| 19:35.04 | Fisker | i maded you a fart Ackis |
| 19:35.28 | Fisker | omg i'm in the beta |
| 19:35.39 | Dagmar | Ackis: I'm still waiting for Penny Arcade to weigh in on this |
| 19:35.50 | Ackis | Dagmar: yeah I am too, the comic will be amusing |
| 19:35.51 | NeoTron | what people fail to see in the facebook comparision is taht to find me on facebook you need to know my name. Blizzard on the other hand is giving the world my name, thus enabling them to easily find me on facebook or what not |
| 19:35.54 | Dagmar | Fisker: you're not fooling me into checking my mail again |
| 19:36.10 | NeoTron | or my email I guess, which Blizzard also wants me to share |
| 19:36.17 | Fisker | i'm in the beta Dagmar |
| 19:36.23 | Dagmar | Ackis: I figure it's either that they're trying to be nice (rare, but they like Blizzard) or they don't wnat to interrupt thei current story arc |
| 19:36.27 | Fisker | just not the cataclysm beta |
| 19:36.36 | Dagmar | Oh |
| 19:36.37 | Ackis | The only way I'll get into the cataclysm beta is if someone gives me a key, or if someone from blizz who is lurking in this channel flags my account as being beta |
| 19:36.50 | Dashkal | I'm just leaving my email open in a browser tab. When the little (1) pops up I madly check... just go be disappointed |
| 19:37.05 | Odlaw | yarp |
| 19:37.10 | NeoTron | SW:TOR beta. I haz it. for now. |
| 19:37.17 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Or they want to do it in a way that will actually be funny. |
| 19:37.38 | Fisker | no key Ackis |
| 19:37.43 | Fisker | wish i would get in the beta too |
| 19:37.43 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Gmail notifier is packed with YAY |
| 19:37.49 | Fisker | i got a GTX480 let me test D3D11! |
| 19:38.07 | Dagmar | NeoTron: I will hold off worrying about that until I think it's not going to be "Sony'd" |
| 19:38.16 | Dashkal | Dagmar: handy |
| 19:38.41 | NeoTron | it's bioware. hopefulyl sufficient clout to not be sonyd or whatever |
| 19:38.46 | Dashkal | SW:TOR. The question is simply: Will the EA taint be kept to acceptable values or are we going to be buying every level as 'DLC'? |
| 19:38.50 | Dagmar | "Hey hey, we can make a bit of extra money if we make lightsaber materials tradeable... Fuck lore, I want a nicer card!" |
| 19:38.55 | NeoTron | but i can't say anything about it, as much as i want to |
| 19:38.58 | Dagmar | er car |
| 19:39.17 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Yeah, EA is good for screwing people over |
| 19:39.20 | Ackis | NeoTron: one of the bioware producers stated something like "First time Bioware has ever been booed on stage. Thanks EA" for something they did at GDC |
| 19:39.21 | NeoTron | Dagmar: you talking SWG here? I mean jedi's aren't exactly rare in the TOR timeframe |
| 19:39.58 | NeoTron | I do agree the DLC's for mass effect is retarded |
| 19:40.00 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Yeah but to make it so that the Important Thing about proving you're ready to be a Jedi becomes "Do you have a stack of credits for me?"... that was just awfulk |
| 19:40.14 | NeoTron | buy a new armor and a weapon for 5 bucks... for a game you probably already completed.. err. no? |
| 19:40.16 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Let's not forget the "unloackable" DLCs |
| 19:40.28 | Dagmar | @#$@ unlockable. It's *really* hot here |
| 19:40.58 | Ackis | mass effect 2? |
| 19:40.58 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.08 | Ackis | it's closer to $2 for the amor packs |
| 19:41.09 | NeoTron | dlc's that add a new weapon or some outfits are pointless to pay for |
| 19:41.13 | Ackis | bought them :( |
| 19:41.25 | Dashkal | Don't get me started on 'points' Give me a fucking price tag. |
| 19:41.33 | NeoTron | Dashkal: agreed |
| 19:41.35 | Dagmar | Yeah, but when you buy a DLC and see that it's a 29k download, you have to feel a little cheated |
| 19:41.39 | Dashkal | The armor sets were 7 dollers when they came out. You couldn't get points in smaller increments |
| 19:41.41 | NeoTron | points are stupid as heck for sometihng like a dlc |
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| 19:41.53 | NeoTron | but it's a way to avoid many small transactions I gather |
| 19:42.17 | Dagmar | Yeah, the per-transaction overhead of credit cards kinda messes up microtransactions |
| 19:42.24 | Cloudwolf | if i game does dlcs i normaly don't deal witht he game unlike borderlands which actualy adds content to a game |
| 19:42.27 | NeoTron | I bought the two content dlc's for ME2 and I felt it was worth it. almost a gig each |
| 19:42.43 | Dashkal | Then make enough content to be worth a real transaction :P |
| 19:42.48 | Dagmar | AMazing that that industry has yet to find a way to send numbers across the network for any cheaper than in 1980 |
| 19:42.49 | NeoTron | Cloudwolf: man I got that for 10 bucks on steam.. but didn't get the three dlcs for 10 bucks.. now they are 10 bucks each |
| 19:42.54 | NeoTron | I didn't know if I'd like it or not and ran out of time |
| 19:43.05 | Kraps | this heat +sweat is causing me physical pain |
| 19:43.28 | Cloudwolf | i bought borderlands for like 30 |
| 19:43.28 | NeoTron | AC at work |
| 19:43.34 | Cloudwolf | never got the dlcs and havn't beaten border lands yet |
| 19:43.43 | NeoTron | I'm having a lot of fun with it |
| 19:43.44 | Cloudwolf | but from waht ive seen/heard the dlcs actualy add content |
| 19:43.46 | Dagmar | I moved 15 racks yesterday, in the heat |
| 19:43.48 | Dagmar | I was unamused |
| 19:43.48 | NeoTron | nto especially deep or anything |
| 19:43.58 | Cloudwolf | unlike some dlc's (mw2 any one?) that only add maps or armor or random wepaons |
| 19:44.00 | Dagmar | Shark racks are freakin' heavy |
| 19:44.04 | NeoTron | I wish I had someone to play coop with in a more organized fashion |
| 19:44.05 | Ackis | Cloudwolf: zombie island and armory do, the other one is just an arena |
| 19:44.26 | Arrowmaster | underdome is impossible to solo |
| 19:44.41 | DWSR | Anyone know if you can position the tabs in Chrome on the left of the window? |
| 19:44.43 | NeoTron | some stuff has been harder than others |
| 19:44.44 | Cloudwolf | neotron the only gripe i have with borderlands co-op is always broadcasting mics |
| 19:44.58 | Arrowmaster | well impossible with a legit character and weapons |
| 19:44.58 | NeoTron | some of it depends on picking up the right random loot it seems |
| 19:45.18 | NeoTron | Cloudwolf: in online random play, looting is like wild west |
| 19:45.26 | NeoTron | and people just run about |
| 19:45.41 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: that's the only DLC I don't have |
| 19:45.41 | Cloudwolf | heh. Neotron i just hate that you get 1 douchebag who doesn't turn off his mic and plays wiht speakers |
| 19:45.45 | Cloudwolf | or has a ton of bg sound going |
| 19:45.46 | NeoTron | I think a more proper coop with a friend, over vent, where you can see if they need the itme or not before looting would make more sense |
| 19:45.51 | Cloudwolf | and then you just get footsteps and loud nosies |
| 19:45.58 | NeoTron | yeah |
| 19:46.14 | NeoTron | is there any way to chat in-game or is it only voice chat? |
| 19:46.17 | Cloudwolf | along with i dont think youc an kick him |
| 19:46.23 | Cloudwolf | you can type im pretty sure |
| 19:46.59 | Fisker | Arrowmaster |
| 19:47.00 | Fisker | i love you |
| 19:48.30 | NeoTron | so I wonder if the for and against real id people are divided in the two groups "exceedingly common name" and "entirely unique name" :P |
| 19:48.39 | NeoTron | I know I'm against it, and my name is 100% unique |
| 19:48.59 | Cloudwolf | my name is fairly unique |
| 19:49.04 | Cloudwolf | if you white pages my name you get 3 people |
| 19:49.09 | Dagmar | It's looking to me like "people who are used to the internet" and "people who have never been stalked" |
| 19:49.21 | Cloudwolf | none of them are me but thats because i try to keep my presence low and im not 18 yet |
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| 19:49.37 | Dagmar | The difference between privacy and anonymity is going almost entirely overlooked. |
| 19:49.40 | Cloudwolf | if you whitepages my last name you get about 69 people total |
| 19:50.13 | NeoTron | I happen to have a family name that's limited to my own family, worldwide (in the US and Sweden primarily, but probably some other places too) |
| 19:50.20 | Cloudwolf | 2 of the inputs are my home phone number due to yellow pages (father and family listing) |
| 19:50.21 | Dashkal | Ignoring the issue itself for the moemnt. Wryxian has one bloddy shitty job at the moment. |
| 19:50.22 | NeoTron | my first name is entirely common |
| 19:50.40 | Dagmar | You get thousands if you look up my birth name, and MANYMANY if you look up my 'nym, but it in no way links to my birth name |
| 19:50.42 | Cloudwolf | dashkal whos is wryxian? |
| 19:50.45 | Ackis | my first name is John |
| 19:50.55 | Ackis | a very unique name, right Thomas |
| 19:50.58 | Dashkal | Cloudwolf: EU CM. He's fielding responses in the EU RealID thread. |
| 19:51.01 | Ackis | Fisker: ^^ |
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| 19:51.06 | Dagmar | My first name is Paul, which the year I was born was the most popular name for a male child. |
| 19:51.20 | Dagmar | I had one class in elementary school where there were FIVE Pauls |
| 19:51.28 | Fisker | your mother Ackis |
| 19:51.30 | Ackis | my name is for people who pick up whores, and dead people |
| 19:51.32 | Fisker | how did you get my name? |
| 19:51.38 | Ackis | Fisker: I saw your real ID |
| 19:51.47 | Cloudwolf | my first name is common my last name is chances are if they have my lastname they are related |
| 19:52.02 | NeoTron | my name is David. I'm not particularily private per se. in fact quite the opposite |
| 19:52.16 | NeoTron | doesn't mean I want my posts on online forums to be indexed |
| 19:52.16 | Dagmar | But you segment that, right? |
| 19:52.22 | Dagmar | OKay yeah |
| 19:52.27 | Cloudwolf | Hi David my name is also David |
| 19:52.38 | Ackis | sings these are the Daves I know |
| 19:52.45 | Cloudwolf | lol |
| 19:52.53 | Dagmar | hums along |
| 19:52.53 | daev | o_O |
| 19:53.02 | Cloudwolf | Any way if its first name i don't care but when it comes to last name thats where the privacy issue hits |
| 19:53.10 | Dashkal | ~lart Ackis |
| 19:53.10 | purl | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at Ackis |
| 19:53.21 | Dashkal | Suddenly that song is stuck in my head... |
| 19:53.36 | Dagmar | At the very LEAST that needs to be last initial only, but it still isn't likely to prevent racism or sexism attacks |
| 19:53.37 | Ackis | hehe |
| 19:53.57 | Ackis | if you google ackis you'll get my name, address, phone number, and penis length |
| 19:54.03 | Dagmar | Dashkal: repeat after me "Never gonna give you up..." |
| 19:54.03 | Ackis | that last one is a deterent |
| 19:54.04 | Lunessa | I use my name for an e-mail address on multiple services. I have a Facebook account, Twitter, and a Live Journal. I *still* don't want my name attached to every post I make on Blizzards forums. |
| 19:54.13 | Dashkal | hmm, one unintended bonus of the system as is. "Hurr! Girls on teh interwebs!" Will look even more pointless |
| 19:54.22 | Dashkal | ~whalenuke Dagmar |
| 19:54.23 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Dagmar with his mind powers. |
| 19:54.29 | Dagmar | Deserved. |
| 19:54.45 | Ackis | Never gonna let you down? |
| 19:55.02 | Dashkal | Oh look a girl! Oh! another one! Oh! wait... they're pretty damn common... |
| 19:55.05 | Cloudwolf | never gonna run around and desert you? |
| 19:55.15 | Ackis | gurls? |
| 19:55.18 | NeoTron | most of the data available easily is related to various programming stuff I've done in the past |
| 19:55.38 | Dagmar | Dashkal: So many chicks to stalk, er, meet, so little time |
| 19:55.45 | Cloudwolf | i find this amusing my gm ticket has been "escalated" |
| 19:55.54 | Dashkal | mmm, not unintended. Reducing trolling being their 'point' |
| 19:55.57 | Dagmar | On the upside, maybe grandma will get some pay |
| 19:56.01 | Dagmar | er play |
| 19:56.02 | Kraps | Dashkal: which leads right into the downsidw "LOL PICS KK?" |
| 19:56.04 | Dagmar | wow. WHat a typo |
| 19:56.14 | Cloudwolf | and i have no idea why its just a gm ticket expressing my concern at the direction blizzard/activision is taking the company |
| 19:56.31 | Dashkal | Kraps: I'd be more than a little surprised if half the forums turned into LOL PICS |
| 19:56.44 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Their "point", such that it is, is fairly invalid. |
| 19:56.51 | Kraps | does it need to be half? |
| 19:56.54 | Dagmar | See also cad-comics from yesterday |
| 19:56.59 | Dashkal | Cloudwolf: The GM aggrees and decided to pass a few choice tickets on? |
| 19:57.01 | NeoTron | I think in addition to real name, they need to include age, sex (to be sure), and measurements |
| 19:57.02 | Kraps | a third? |
| 19:57.08 | Dagmar | The hardcore trolls will simply use payment cards |
| 19:57.08 | Kraps | a quarter? |
| 19:57.10 | NeoTron | and of course a mandatory photo |
| 19:57.13 | Cloudwolf | Maybe |
| 19:57.21 | Kraps | how much is accepable? |
| 19:57.29 | Kraps | acceptable |
| 19:57.38 | Dagmar | NeoTron: no worries there. I drive a scooter so you know I have to have a massive wang |
| 19:57.57 | Dashkal | Dagmar: There are only so many trolls willing to sink that kind of extra cash into trolling |
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| 19:58.33 | Dashkal | Some, certainly. But I suspect not all that many, and certainly not enough of a majority to tilt the karma system. |
| 19:58.39 | Cloudwolf | ctrl alt del had a good comic on the issue |
| 19:59.21 | Dashkal | CAD points in the direction I suspect. The trolls simply won't give a damn |
| 19:59.49 | Dashkal | How many trolls do you know who double as normal individuals? |
| 20:00.08 | Ackis | some will Dashkal, but it wouldn't stop me from posting anything I already post |
| 20:00.10 | Dagmar | Dashkal: It's not really extra cash. Paycards are the same per month as a month-to-month membership |
| 20:00.30 | Dagmar | ...and they're entirely anonymous |
| 20:00.34 | Dashkal | Dagmar: True |
| 20:01.07 | Dagmar | Heck I used to carry a secret pre-paid cell phone paid for with cash cards, simply out of paranoia |
| 20:01.22 | Kraps | thats what i dont get about the "you're a fear-monger!!" people: yes the chance of you individually getting harassed/stalked is really small, but why increase that chance, even by a minute amount? is it ok if even one person gets harassed/stalked because you want to eliminate the trolls? |
| 20:01.42 | Dagmar | They've never been stalked |
| 20:02.08 | Dashkal | Kraps: Yep, that's the point I've been trying to make. I don't expect to get stalked personally. I expect _someone_ to get stalked. |
| 20:02.16 | Dagmar | They've no idea about /b/-tards at all |
| 20:02.34 | Dashkal | Someone introduce Mike to /b/ |
| 20:02.55 | Dagmar | Heh force him to browse it for an hour |
| 20:02.55 | Dashkal | still clings to the beliefe that Mike runs Blizzard |
| 20:03.06 | Kraps | whos mike? |
| 20:03.30 | Kraps | morhime? |
| 20:03.35 | Kraps | oe w/r |
| 20:03.43 | Dashkal | That's the one. Can't remember spelling |
| 20:04.12 | Dashkal | Mike Morhaime |
| 20:05.28 | Dashkal | Especially right now while 4chan is having a field day with this |
| 20:05.37 | Kraps | Dagmar: thats a poor argument, /i've/ never been stalked and i can see the fallacy of this |
| 20:05.50 | Dagmar | I cant help but think fools in Activision might assume that to be an isolated case |
| 20:06.24 | Dagmar | Kraps: that's because you have a clear idea of who/what is on the internet |
| 20:06.47 | Dagmar | You can just look at gov't edicts and figure out there's people who still just don't understand it |
| 20:06.56 | Kraps | or maybe i'm just a huge pessimist :( |
| 20:07.01 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 20:07.32 | frontendloader | anyone use Wine + an Authenticator? |
| 20:08.08 | Dashkal | frontendloader: yes |
| 20:09.06 | frontendloader | hm, stuck at connecting on my linux pc |
| 20:09.12 | Fisker | i don't drink wine frontendloader |
| 20:09.49 | Dashkal | frontendloader: Seems to be on your end. I just logged in successfully |
| 20:10.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Repo (~supybot@repos.curseforge.net) |
| 20:12.11 | frontendloader | maybe I need to update wine |
| 20:12.44 | cogwheel | anyone know why win7 wouldn't sleep if it's booted through grub? |
| 20:12.58 | Dagmar | Because they're still working out the sleep issues |
| 20:13.13 | Dagmar | It's probably refusing to mess with the MBR |
| 20:13.23 | cogwheel | what does the MBR have to do with sleep? |
| 20:13.25 | Dagmar | Mine likes to *fail* to wake up |
| 20:13.39 | Dagmar | THey tag the bootloader afaik |
| 20:13.47 | Dashkal | frontendloader: I'm running wine-1.1.42 |
| 20:13.59 | frontendloader | same |
| 20:14.28 | Dashkal | installed from packages on Ubuntu Lucid |
| 20:14.28 | Dagmar | Oh wait, sorry sleep != hibernation... which means it's probably more ACPI funnery |
| 20:14.29 | frontendloader | do you run the launcher? |
| 20:14.36 | Dashkal | no, I run wow directly |
| 20:15.01 | Dashkal | short shell script that cds into wow's directory then runs "wine wow" |
| 20:15.16 | Dagmar | Thankfully I still avoid grub |
| 20:15.34 | Dagmar | They've abstracted things too much for me. |
| 20:15.57 | Dagmar | I shouldn't have to go wading through a mess of files to find out how to tell it which part of the disk to write to |
| 20:16.01 | Dashkal | meh, I'm afraid to fuck with my bootloader. Stuck with grub for now. I used to dodge it by running windows and linux on seperate physical drives and using my BIOS as a boot loader |
| 20:16.24 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 20:16.38 | Dashkal | grub was basically a kernel selector at that point |
| 20:16.51 | Dagmar | Yeah *that* it does pretty well |
| 20:17.08 | Dagmar | lilo menus are a bit of a kludge, but at least it's all in one damn place |
| 20:17.40 | frontendloader | Dashkal: aparently running the blizzard updater has changed the permissions on a lot of things |
| 20:17.47 | Dagmar | I find it somewhat telling that no one ever goes "Oh you just make this simple change and it'll start using the MBR" |
| 20:18.14 | Dashkal | frontendloader: I do use the launcher to patch things. When its patch time I invoke the launcher directly and let it do its thing. No recent issues |
| 20:19.15 | Dagmar | frontendloader: Mebbe time to look hard at it's effective umask |
| 20:19.27 | Dashkal | but permissions are easy to fix. chmod -r u+rw . |
| 20:19.53 | Dashkal | find -type d . | xargs chmod u+rwx |
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| 20:20.36 | frontendloader | bleh still stuck at connecting |
| 20:20.41 | cogwheel | well that was easy enough to fix... made my windows drive primary and added linux to the windows boot loader ;) |
| 20:20.59 | Dashkal | frontendloader: Anything in wine's terminal output? |
| 20:21.25 | frontendloader | seems like a networking issue, though I did essentially copy my entire Wow install over from my main PC |
| 20:21.58 | Dagmar | frontendloader; YOu did nothing but that? There's a minor ini change you need to make as well IIRC |
| 20:22.14 | Dagmar | I haddda bang on it for about 20m to make it go the first time |
| 20:22.15 | frontendloader | It worked fine till I updated to 3.3.5 |
| 20:22.26 | frontendloader | I had to bang on my nvidia drivers for a bit to make it go |
| 20:23.39 | frontendloader | us.logon is resolving fine. |
| 20:24.01 | frontendloader | wait nope |
| 20:24.37 | frontendloader | resolving to a different IP than my windows box |
| 20:26.45 | frontendloader | I'm pretty sure ubuntu doesn't cache DNS |
| 20:27.11 | frontendloader | but I'm not sure how to diagnose how it is getting the wrong number without doing a bit of digging |
| 20:27.28 | Dashkal | force it via /etc/hosts for now |
| 20:27.57 | Dashkal | though having your DNS resolve incorrectly is something likely worth digging into |
| 20:28.08 | frontendloader | I just did force it |
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| 20:28.17 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 20:28.28 | frontendloader | no dice, though I might need to restart networking |
| 20:28.43 | Ackis | just reboot and try it again ;) |
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| 20:31.36 | Shirik_ | cogwheel: how much do you know about Win32 API? |
| 20:31.47 | Ackis | http://starwars.tomtom.com/voices/index-voices.php?Lid=4 <-- needs flash |
| 20:31.56 | CC13 | How can I check if another addon has been loaded? |
| 20:32.02 | cogwheel | Shirik_: not a whole lot |
| 20:32.08 | Shirik_ | nm I think I figured it out |
| 20:32.13 | cogwheel | i'm about halfway through Petzold |
| 20:32.34 | Fisker | shi-shi-shi Shirik |
| 20:32.46 | Fisker | cog-cog-cog cock |
| 20:33.00 | CC13 | UI Developers? |
| 20:33.08 | CC13 | <-- Noob with problem needs help |
| 20:33.14 | Ackis | CC13: if addonname/var then blah |
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| 20:33.31 | cogwheel | ~asktoask |
| 20:33.32 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 20:33.32 | Ackis | ie: Ackis Recipe List is AckisRecipeList in the table |
| 20:33.34 | CC13 | I'll try that |
| 20:33.45 | Maldivia | *smirk* http://asnowstormbyanyothername.blogspot.com/ |
| 20:33.48 | Ackis | so to see if it's loaded you can do a if AckisRecipeList then stuff end |
| 20:33.50 | cogwheel | needs to learn to read up |
| 20:33.57 | cogwheel | !api IsAddonLoaded |
| 20:33.57 | lua_bot | IsAddOnLoaded: Returns whether an addon is currently loaded (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsAddOnLoaded) |
| 20:34.05 | CC13 | wow wtf? |
| 20:34.11 | CC13 | !api IsAddonLoaded |
| 20:34.11 | lua_bot | IsAddOnLoaded: Returns whether an addon is currently loaded (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsAddOnLoaded) |
| 20:34.18 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626188670&sid=1&pageNo=7#135 |
| 20:34.20 | CC13 | Cool |
| 20:34.28 | Ackis | bah cogwheel! |
| 20:34.29 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4311223498&sid=1&pageNo=6#103 |
| 20:34.30 | CC13 | !bringmeporn |
| 20:34.34 | CC13 | !porn |
| 20:34.36 | CC13 | !redtube |
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| 20:34.39 | CC13 | -.- |
| 20:34.39 | cogwheel | ... |
| 20:34.53 | nevcairiel | kick him already :p |
| 20:34.56 | frontendloader | restarted my router too |
| 20:34.57 | Fisker | awesome |
| 20:35.18 | Kraps | nice Lunessa |
| 20:35.20 | Cide | so many stupid arguments about the whole real id stuff depend on the fact that character names are linked to real names |
| 20:35.25 | Cide | which is false |
| 20:35.31 | nevcairiel | sure they are |
| 20:35.37 | nevcairiel | that link is just not shown |
| 20:35.37 | Cide | they're not |
| 20:35.43 | Cide | ... |
| 20:35.58 | Cide | that subtlety is irrelevant |
| 20:36.17 | Maldivia | Cide: don't worry, by tomorrow they'll have seen the error in their ways :P |
| 20:36.18 | CC13 | Thanks for the solution, it works great ;) |
| 20:36.23 | Cide | s/linked/publically linked/ |
| 20:36.27 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: by tomorrow? |
| 20:36.30 | nevcairiel | you wish |
| 20:36.51 | Cide | "you gank someone and they'll come banging on your door" |
| 20:37.06 | Cide | "batman can't post on the forums because his rogue is named Batmanzlawlz" |
| 20:37.16 | CC13 | Clever people, do you know how I could make my Addon wait for another addon to load? My addon seems to get loaded first |
| 20:37.26 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: ok, within a week then |
| 20:37.29 | Cide | have you read the documentation? |
| 20:37.35 | nevcairiel | even that is doubtful |
| 20:37.36 | durcyn | CC13: OptionalDeps |
| 20:37.38 | Kraps | Maldivia: no way |
| 20:37.41 | nevcairiel | they'll never see their error |
| 20:37.43 | Kraps | its going in |
| 20:37.46 | CC13 | !api Loop |
| 20:37.46 | lua_bot | Found 9 possible results for 'Loop': VoiceChat_StopPlayingLoopbackSound, AnimationGroup:SetLooping, AnimationGroup:GetLoopState, VoiceChat_RecordLoopbackSound, VoiceChat_PlayLoopbackSound, VoiceChat_IsRecordingLoopbackSound, VoiceChat_IsPlayingLoopbackSound, AnimationGroup:GetLooping, VoiceChat_StopRecordingLoopbackSound |
| 20:37.56 | CC13 | That bot is cool :P |
| 20:38.04 | CC13 | !api Goto |
| 20:38.04 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Goto'. |
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| 20:38.11 | CC13 | How to set up a loop in lua? :/ |
| 20:38.14 | nevcairiel | Also, are we talking about blizzards error or the stupid peoples errors? |
| 20:38.16 | Cide | you read the documentation |
| 20:38.19 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 20:38.24 | Maldivia | nevcairiel / Kraps: I'll stick by that prediction, in a week, you are welcome to mock me and say I was wrong |
| 20:38.26 | Cide | and don't spam the bots |
| 20:38.26 | Ackis | ~pil |
| 20:38.27 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:38.35 | Ackis | ~wowprogramming |
| 20:38.36 | purl | methinks wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 20:38.40 | CC13 | I guess ill take while |
| 20:38.57 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 20:38.58 | Ackis | spams Cide's bots. |
| 20:39.34 | Fisker | wanna see my lich Ackis ? |
| 20:39.36 | Maldivia | CC13: you can also /msg the bot, for private response |
| 20:39.49 | CC13 | cool ^^ |
| 20:39.50 | nevcairiel | private bot sessions, eh |
| 20:39.57 | CC13 | xD |
| 20:40.00 | Fisker | wanna see my lich Ackis ? |
| 20:40.19 | Ackis | it's so tiny Fisker |
| 20:40.26 | Fisker | unzips |
| 20:40.27 | Fisker | naaaaaaw |
| 20:40.53 | Ackis | aww it's tiny, dead and shrivelled. |
| 20:41.01 | Ackis | ~comfort Fisker |
| 20:41.02 | purl | There, there, Fisker. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:41.14 | Lunessa | Cide: I just thought it was funny. |
| 20:42.08 | Fisker | 45 shards left ;_; |
| 20:42.34 | Kraps | whats funny |
| 20:42.40 | CC13 | Is it possible to change another addons settings? |
| 20:42.44 | CC13 | From an addon |
| 20:43.08 | cogwheel | depends on the addon |
| 20:43.38 | cogwheel | usually, yes, by modifying whatever saved variables they use |
| 20:43.43 | CC13 | Skada |
| 20:43.48 | PProvost | The settings that are stored in the addon's savedvars, yes |
| 20:43.54 | PProvost | But it may not do what you want |
| 20:43.58 | PProvost | If the addon caches it |
| 20:44.12 | cogwheel | thank you for typing faster than me. I was just about to get to caching ;) |
| 20:44.16 | PProvost | lol |
| 20:44.17 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 20:44.19 | Fisker | you cannot stop me |
| 20:44.26 | clever | would have to read the code and see if it caches it, and maybe modify the cache too |
| 20:44.27 | malreth | ~stop Fisker |
| 20:44.28 | purl | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops Fisker |
| 20:44.29 | CC13 | Can you link a site? |
| 20:44.33 | CC13 | That explains it |
| 20:44.36 | cogwheel | Fisker: good. that means once you've passed you're gone forever |
| 20:44.41 | CC13 | Or can Botten Anna help me? |
| 20:44.41 | cogwheel | :P |
| 20:44.47 | malreth | CC13: there probably isn't a site anywhere that will explain that for you |
| 20:44.58 | cogwheel | http://www.wowwiki.com/SavedVariables |
| 20:45.05 | CC13 | Could a n expert in here do it then? :D |
| 20:45.08 | malreth | CC13: you simply have to understand Lua and then read the other addon's code |
| 20:45.16 | clever | just read the code for both addons and learn how it works, then edit the variables |
| 20:45.26 | CC13 | malreth, about understanding.. thats what I am working on |
| 20:45.56 | malreth | CC13: don't worry. you'll get there in time, grasshopper |
| 20:45.57 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712377116&sid=1&pageNo=2#38 |
| 20:46.24 | CC13 | Hmm.. could someone in here help me a bit with it? |
| 20:46.42 | durcyn | they already told you where to look. |
| 20:46.43 | cogwheel | if by help you mean do it for, then no |
| 20:46.58 | CC13 | I dont want it done |
| 20:47.08 | clever | ive done the same thing with firefox extensions, it takes some skill to figure out somebody elses code and then modify it without editing it |
| 20:47.20 | CC13 | Thats exactly what i want! |
| 20:47.28 | CC13 | I do not want to edit the addon itself |
| 20:47.46 | cogwheel | CC13: you need to put in some ground work on your end to learn the basics before we can "help" you |
| 20:47.53 | clever | if you know what variables its using, you should just be able to set them from any addon |
| 20:48.04 | cogwheel | otherwise we'll need to hold your hand through explaining the entire process |
| 20:48.10 | cogwheel | which is even more work than just doing it for you |
| 20:48.26 | cogwheel | any volunteers? ;) |
| 20:48.32 | CC13 | Yes. *how* can i change a variable from adodn? |
| 20:48.34 | CC13 | addon* |
| 20:48.43 | cogwheel | Var = <new value> |
| 20:48.43 | CC13 | Thats the part I dont understand |
| 20:48.47 | cogwheel | http://lua.org/pil |
| 20:48.54 | frontendloader | Dagmar: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25552676571&sid=1&pageNo=1. this looks promising |
| 20:48.56 | cogwheel | saved variables are just globals |
| 20:49.04 | cogwheel | that happen to get loaded/saved |
| 20:49.13 | cogwheel | as you would know if you read my earlier link :P |
| 20:49.18 | CC13 | I did |
| 20:49.43 | cogwheel | takes some more dayquil |
| 20:50.07 | CC13 | Erm.. so I dont have to hook or anything?.. I simply set the value as if it was defined in my own code? |
| 20:50.30 | cogwheel | with the caveats PProvost and I said at the beginning, yes |
| 20:50.46 | CC13 | Let go off my hand guys! |
| 20:50.55 | CC13 | I thought It'd be much more advanced |
| 20:51.00 | CC13 | Thanks ^^ |
| 20:51.02 | cogwheel | lulz |
| 20:51.08 | CC13 | Yea Indeed |
| 20:51.14 | cogwheel | over-thinking things is the #1 bane of programmers imo |
| 20:51.20 | cogwheel | new programmers* |
| 20:51.39 | CC13 | I'm not completely new, I come from an evil world of windows |
| 20:51.43 | clever | i still overthink things some and try to build everything into frameworks |
| 20:51.43 | CC13 | COnverted to Mac |
| 20:51.54 | clever | most of the time it helps me reuse the code alot |
| 20:51.54 | CC13 | ;) |
| 20:51.57 | durcyn | what does any of that have to do with lua |
| 20:52.07 | CC13 | Nothing. I've never used lua before |
| 20:52.09 | durcyn | is the 13 in your nick your age, or what |
| 20:52.09 | cogwheel | clever: well, that's a bit different. I think over-thinking comes from concentrating on details rather than abstractions |
| 20:52.28 | clever | cogwheel: one example is just running a peice of code in a try/catch block |
| 20:52.29 | cogwheel | whereas frameworks are implementations of abstractions |
| 20:52.32 | CC13 | lol |
| 20:52.43 | clever | i made a function that runs a function i give it and handles reporting the error and everything |
| 20:52.52 | cogwheel | clever: if you ever do functional programming, you'd fit right in ;) |
| 20:52.54 | CC13 | If you are basing my age on my english skills I dont wonder why you think that xD |
| 20:53.15 | malreth | don't use the word 'converted'... it implies that OS X is a religion. Operating systems are software... not a lifestyle decision. |
| 20:53.24 | CC13 | It is for me |
| 20:53.32 | CC13 | Dude. it *is* a religion! |
| 20:53.36 | clever | ive gone over to linux and ive got it on everything |
| 20:53.37 | CC13 | RACIST |
| 20:53.42 | CC13 | Linux <3 |
| 20:53.43 | clever | tv, cellphone, router, laptop, desktop |
| 20:53.48 | CC13 | Running linux on ALL my servers |
| 20:53.56 | clever | only one server is windows |
| 20:54.04 | CC13 | Huh? |
| 20:54.13 | clever | half my services are writen in mirc script |
| 20:54.48 | clever | that was the first language i learned networking in (tcp/udp) |
| 20:55.46 | clever | it was easy to start with, but way too limiting now |
| 20:56.29 | Lunessa | malreth: So many conversations I've had with some O/S zealots that it feels like I'm arguing religon. |
| 20:56.45 | Dashkal | The cult of Steve |
| 20:56.56 | clever | mirc script is completely event driven (kinda like the wow api in a way) so you have to do EVERYTHING with state engines |
| 20:57.15 | Kraps | Dashkal: which steve ;) |
| 20:57.26 | clever | and much like lua, the entire client locks up (and can even ping out) if your code doesnt return often enough |
| 20:57.34 | Dashkal | At least I can take solace in that it _is_ Steve Jobs. Apple as we know it won't survive him... and I'm younger than him. |
| 20:58.00 | clever | ive heard of iphone apps 'stealing' your money by automaticaly buying more iphone apps |
| 20:58.03 | foxlit | We just lost a game of AB 1580 - 1600 |
| 20:58.05 | Kraps | "won't survive him"? |
| 20:58.09 | foxlit | I pity the winning team. So close. |
| 20:58.21 | Kraps | thats harsh |
| 20:58.40 | Dashkal | Kraps: "apple as we know it" is important for that to make sense |
| 20:58.42 | malreth | clever: then you've heard foolish nonsense |
| 20:58.43 | Shirik_ | anyone iknow of a good hex editor? |
| 20:58.54 | malreth | Shirik: emacs |
| 20:59.01 | malreth | ducks and runs |
| 20:59.01 | cogwheel | !g good hex editor |
| 20:59.02 | batbot | cogwheel: What is a good Windows hex editor / viewer? - Stack Overflow <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10426/what-is-a-good-windows-hex-editor-viewer> |
| 20:59.06 | cogwheel | lulz |
| 20:59.10 | cogwheel | i SOwned you |
| 20:59.25 | Kraps | Dashkal: how do we know it? |
| 20:59.26 | clever | malreth: let me find the link |
| 20:59.48 | cogwheel | ~tickle Shirik_ |
| 20:59.49 | purl | ACTION jumps on Shirik_, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 21:00.05 | clever | malreth: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/07/04/appstore-hack-itunes/ |
| 21:00.22 | Dashkal | Kraps: To spell it out. Apple at present is (at least percieved as) Steve Jobs' domain. His word, his ideas. Fuck everything else. Once Steve eventually steps down, retires, dies, whatever. Apple will shift. How? No clue. |
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| 21:00.54 | Kraps | hmm |
| 21:02.36 | nevcairiel | its kinda funny how apple now suddenly starts hireing all those specialists .. antenna specialists, fraud specialists .. shouldnt they have had those people in the first place? =P |
| 21:02.40 | clever | malreth: '- the Apple App store is filled with App Farms being used to steal. ' |
| 21:03.22 | malreth | clever: which apps? the only one mentioned is World War and the app developer says that his app isn't responsible. |
| 21:03.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | my guess is that they fired the ones they had |
| 21:03.47 | clever | malreth: it has several links to more pages, but it hasnt named any app yet |
| 21:03.56 | clever | 'The app developer that began this entire investigation has now had their account (and apps) removed, but weâve discovered a number of other developer accounts with very similar, if not more âinnovativeâ' |
| 21:04.14 | clever | '# The trend: buy a couple of low cost apps ($1-$3) and then one app at an extortionate price ($90+).' |
| 21:04.25 | malreth | sounds like speculation |
| 21:04.26 | clever | no normal user would do that |
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| 21:04.51 | nevcairiel | sounds like pretty normal behavior |
| 21:05.04 | clever | http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/07/04/app-store-hacked/comment-page-1/#comment-11929 |
| 21:05.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | paying $90? |
| 21:05.11 | malreth | what's more likely is a bunch of users had insecure passwords and someone, or a group of people, took advantage of them |
| 21:05.13 | clever | 'Unlike what others have reported, we were taken for over $1400.00 on what looks like in-game credits for some game called World War at $160 a transaction and some music' |
| 21:06.26 | clever | '# Currently all the app purchased have been owned by Asia based developers with little information known about them. Clearly they feel being based in Asia will give them immunity to any US laws.' |
| 21:07.55 | Lunessa | There's not a lot of substance to those reports. No names are named save that one World War. |
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| 21:08.48 | malreth | i'm not trying to be an apologist here... but if all you're going to go on is some speculation from some internet blog... |
| 21:08.56 | foxlit | Meh, what do I put on a two-hander as a tank? |
| 21:09.03 | foxlit | Nobody seems to be selling mongoose scrolls :/ |
| 21:09.28 | Lunessa | One of the linked stories does, hoever, name names. |
| 21:09.29 | clever | malreth: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/06/apple-responds-on-itunes-fraud-vaguely-confirms-said-fraud/ |
| 21:09.36 | clever | hard to find a link on apple.com though |
| 21:09.46 | clever | 'The developer Thuat Nguyen and his apps were removed from the App Store for violating the developer Program License Agreement, including fraudulent purchase patterns. ' |
| 21:09.49 | Lunessa | foxlit: Bear tank? |
| 21:09.51 | clever | malreth: but there is a name now |
| 21:09.55 | foxlit | Lunessa: rawr! |
| 21:10.20 | Maldivia | ack, anyone remember what the name for the function is if the settings should be store locally or on the server? |
| 21:10.24 | Lunessa | I put Agility on mine. |
| 21:10.39 | malreth | yeah... i don't doubt that a bunch of people got taken advantage of, but to leap to the conclusion that iphone apps themselves are purchasing other iphone apps is a bit of a stretch |
| 21:10.41 | Lunessa | foxlit: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&cn=Wyldsong |
| 21:10.43 | foxlit | 26? |
| 21:10.52 | clever | malreth: one report says 400 |
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| 21:11.03 | malreth | yes. i've read those articles |
| 21:11.07 | foxlit | hm, 35 |
| 21:11.45 | malreth | it's actually part of my job here to keep track of such things, clever |
| 21:12.09 | clever | malreth: ah |
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| 21:13.03 | Lunessa | foxlit: Procs seemed like a bad idea since I wasn't swinging the weapon. So I just went with making it a bgi damned stat-stick |
| 21:13.18 | foxlit | They work in forms, though |
| 21:13.33 | foxlit | Think mongoose works out to more than 35 averaged over time. |
| 21:14.25 | Lunessa | foxlit: My prejudice is probably based on old data. :) I don't play my druid all that much. |
| 21:15.09 | foxlit | The other interesting one is blood draining (triggers a heal if you drop past 35% health) but nobody is selling that either :/ |
| 21:15.49 | foxlit | Wish they'd stop putting enchants I like in raid instances and just use the vendor like everyone else. |
| 21:16.01 | Cloudwolf | so for some reason ont he european forums the blues are posting info about the upcoming forum cahgnes but not ont he us oh well... |
| 21:16.05 | Lunessa | blood-draining is a rare-ish enchant to have. |
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| 21:16.26 | Cairenn | Cloudwolf: NA forums are moving too fast |
| 21:16.31 | Lunessa | I still don't have f'ing mongoose on my enchanter. |
| 21:16.33 | Cloudwolf | Hmm not surprsising |
| 21:16.44 | Cloudwolf | heh i gave up on my enchanter i may deal with him later |
| 21:16.50 | foxlit | Mongoose is on Monroes :/ |
| 21:17.37 | foxlit | I'm not sure I could farm it even if I wanted to chase another <10% drop item. |
| 21:18.23 | Ackis | it's 100% drop now iirc |
| 21:18.35 | foxlit | So wowhead is just that stale? |
| 21:18.51 | Lunessa | foxlit: My enchanter is a holy priest, so I'm not soloing it. :) And not a lot of folks want to drag my alt there. :P |
| 21:18.56 | Ackis | yeah basically foxlit |
| 21:20.04 | foxlit | I guess the question then is: is he soloable? |
| 21:20.46 | Ackis | depends on your class |
| 21:20.51 | Ackis | I was a priest, so no he wasn't |
| 21:21.25 | foxlit | Priests wear cloth, that disqualifies them from most things |
| 21:21.43 | Ackis | we have shackle and mind control :P |
| 21:21.47 | Kraps | http://www.metafilter.com/93492/But-my-name-really-is-Deathblood-Blackaxe#3171416 |
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| 21:21.54 | Ackis | and apparently we can heal |
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| 21:23.33 | Ackis | Kraps: "They either want to fuck you or deride you" |
| 21:23.36 | Lunessa | foxlit: I've been able to solo the room as an enhancement shaman with very careful pulling and some luck. But it would be easier for a well-geared bear-tank. |
| 21:23.40 | Ackis | lol |
| 21:23.48 | Kraps | pretty win |
| 21:23.57 | Ackis | a bear tank cann solo ICC |
| 21:25.01 | Ackis | and your mom |
| 21:25.04 | Ackis | at the same time |
| 21:27.09 | Kraps | i've seen it, it can be done |
| 21:27.36 | frontendloader | Ackis: he's soloable on a shadow priest. |
| 21:29.00 | frontendloader | VE heals for plenty, getting rid of his adds is the hard part, once that is done you're home free |
| 21:29.01 | Kraps | Ackis: i love disc, its never boring, even when i think it is |
| 21:29.03 | Ackis | the only real priests are holy |
| 21:29.07 | Ackis | kthxbai |
| 21:29.12 | Kraps | thats fine |
| 21:29.32 | Kraps | we're the younger, smarter brother |
| 21:29.34 | frontendloader | they're also fearable afaik, so you just shackle one, fear the rest for the time being |
| 21:29.44 | frontendloader | then blow psychic horror on one as it runs back to you |
| 21:29.59 | Ackis | been so long, can't remember if you can fear em or not |
| 21:30.02 | Ackis | think so |
| 21:30.11 | Ackis | disc priests aren't priests |
| 21:30.12 | Ackis | :P |
| 21:30.21 | Ackis | although I think I logged out for the last time ever in shadow spec |
| 21:30.31 | Ackis | quick, someone buy me a gamecard so I can change specs and log out again |
| 21:31.31 | malreth | awesome: http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/4749409139/ |
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| 21:37.12 | Kraps | we need to move the discussion from "blizz is taking on trolls" (lol), to "blizz is forcing social bullshit on us" because that is the real reason |
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| 21:38.10 | malreth | i suspect it's Activision, not blizzard |
| 21:43.05 | foxlit | Monroes died, enchant dropped, life's awesome. |
| 21:43.20 | Kraps | moroes? |
| 21:43.49 | foxlit | So named because he drops Mon-goose? :) |
| 21:44.01 | foxlit | But yes, him. |
| 21:44.31 | Dashkal | "Also, I do not advocate crying on pillows. They get salty and damp. " - Nethaera |
| 21:45.20 | NightHawkTheSane | it's true, they do |
| 21:46.03 | Adys | The Implantable Miniature Telescope (IMT) is used to treat age-related macular degeneration (AMD) |
| 21:46.04 | Adys | ... |
| 21:46.06 | Adys | naming fail =( |
| 21:46.08 | Adys | Implantable Nano-TELescope > * |
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| 21:48.01 | Kraps | Dashkal: great that the CMs are laughing it up /sarc |
| 21:48.56 | Kraps | bashiok "oh lol i didnt get any pizzas, i was waiting for the lolz" |
| 21:49.25 | Dashkal | Kraps: I pulled that out of context. Badly out of context |
| 21:49.33 | smcn | does questhelper take crusader aura into account when deciding whether it's faster to take a flight path? |
| 21:49.41 | Dashkal | She addresses that in the very same post, actually |
| 21:49.44 | kd3 | still idly wonders how much crap the micah they dug up wound up with |
| 21:50.19 | Dashkal | Kraps: Full post: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626051767&sid=1&pageNo=9 |
| 21:51.15 | Dashkal | woot, 99 golden wrenches gone. one more and the tf2 engineer update can finally go live... |
| 21:51.49 | Kraps | "but the new forum structure (which you will see in action for StarCraft II) will allow for voting up and down posts as well as response threading" WELL I FEEL MUCH BETTER NOW |
| 21:52.19 | NightHawkTheSane | I do feel much better now, actually. |
| 21:52.29 | NightHawkTheSane | although, that may be more to do with the mac & jacks i had for lunch. |
| 21:52.29 | Dashkal | huh? There are a lot of improvements to THAT SPECIFIC PROBLEM (super long unnagivatable thread) in the new forums... |
| 21:52.49 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: :) |
| 21:53.28 | NightHawkTheSane | <3's mac & jacks |
| 21:53.32 | Lunessa | mac and jacks? |
| 21:53.47 | Dashkal | More out of context: "I can only ask you one question in return. Consider its depth and potentially even repeat it as mantra. How am I not myself? " - Zarhym |
| 21:53.51 | NightHawkTheSane | locally brewery. is delicous |
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| 21:54.09 | Fisker | this is fucking awesome |
| 21:54.20 | Kraps | Dashkal: is that new? |
| 21:54.23 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 21:54.27 | Fisker | it's fucking awesome |
| 21:54.30 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.macandjacks.com/index.php |
| 21:54.36 | Kraps | what is? |
| 21:54.49 | Dashkal | Kraps: Context: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25626461797/blizzard-employees-why-so-serious/ |
| 21:54.53 | Fisker | something on my system fucked up |
| 21:55.04 | Fisker | getting from boot to windows desktop takes about 10 minutes or so |
| 21:55.04 | Dashkal | Doesn't matter, I just thought the question was cool |
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| 21:55.21 | Fisker | just going from booting being done and rendering the welcome screen is like 1½ minute |
| 21:55.22 | Fisker | :D |
| 21:55.27 | Kraps | Fisker: my care cup is empty |
| 21:55.41 | Fisker | So i can fill it up |
| 21:55.50 | Kraps | no |
| 21:55.52 | Fisker | yes |
| 21:55.55 | Dashkal | so much trolling opportunity there... |
| 21:56.00 | Kraps | i dont roll like that |
| 21:56.07 | Fisker | your mom rolled like that |
| 21:56.10 | Fisker | after i did |
| 21:56.10 | Fisker | her |
| 21:56.58 | Kraps | Dashkal: the op is pretty dumb |
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| 21:57.08 | cogwheel | "When the British government transitioned to a more efficient fuel that, as a happy coincidence, couldn't kill you, the suicide rate for the entire country dropped by a third, and has stayed there ever since. |
| 21:57.12 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 21:57.55 | Kraps | Dashkal: the rest of the posts or much better |
| 21:57.59 | Kraps | are' |
| 21:58.09 | Dashkal | Kraps: again, the context was irelevant. I just thought the question Zarhym posed was cool |
| 21:58.09 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: so, renewable energy reduces suicide rates? :P |
| 21:58.16 | Dashkal | "How am I not myself?" |
| 21:58.18 | Kraps | it was |
| 21:58.25 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: coal gas |
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| 21:58.37 | cogwheel | http://www.cracked.com/article_18648_the-9-most-statistically-terrifying-days-calendar.html |
| 21:58.56 | Fisker | Shirik you must know this shit |
| 21:59.15 | Fisker | how awesome is: This device is not present, is not working properly, or does not have all its drivers installed. (Code 24) on Security Processor Loader Driver? |
| 21:59.18 | Fisker | very? |
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| 22:02.52 | cogwheel | Fisker: zomg skynet is taking over! |
| 22:02.59 | Dashkal | ~Bashiok++ |
| 22:03.09 | Fisker | sup? |
| 22:03.09 | cogwheel | Dashkal: wat? |
| 22:03.13 | Dashkal | "Please don't misunderstand, I'm not telling anyone to just chillax and not care or be concerned, it's just my personal take on the whole hypothetical what-if scenarios. Not everyone is me, I understand that." |
| 22:03.37 | Dashkal | He sounded level-headed without sounding like a corporate drone. |
| 22:03.43 | Dashkal | I'm impressed |
| 22:04.39 | Dashkal | I also strongly disagree with his position, but that's different |
| 22:05.34 | smcn | got d/c earlier, does anyone know if questhelper takes crusader aura into account when deciding if it's faster to take a flight path? |
| 22:05.46 | Fisker | Y SLOPE; SO AS FAR AS They're on a slippery slope, so as far as i'm concerned it's a valid concern |
| 22:05.51 | Fisker | WTF :o |
| 22:06.03 | Fisker | my computer is so fucked up |
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| 22:06.39 | Kraps | your caps is broked |
| 22:06.42 | Fisker | no |
| 22:06.59 | Fisker | when you see it, you'll shit bricks |
| 22:07.00 | Legorol | with the whole real ID thing, it's the reverse direction that i'm mostly concerned about: |
| 22:07.11 | Legorol | i don't mind if a WoW player finds out my real name, googles it and finds some cool stuff about me |
| 22:07.17 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|away: shortly after the part you quoted: "A similar thing happened in the state of Washington, where statewide jumping suicides were cut in half by raising the guard rails on one bridge" >< |
| 22:07.24 | Legorol | what i do mind is if someone in RL googles my name and finds that i'm posting on WoW forums |
| 22:07.29 | Fisker | it somehow wrote something in the middle of the sentence with shift (notice the ; instead of ,) at the beginning of the sentence |
| 22:07.32 | Fisker | that's like totally messed up |
| 22:07.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: wait, why would that even matter? |
| 22:07.52 | Legorol | this is not harassment by the WoW players, but much more serious... this is lost job opportunities when a potential employer googles me |
| 22:07.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: are you somehow ashamed? |
| 22:08.11 | Fisker | soo |
| 22:08.16 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: actually, yes |
| 22:08.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: thats the dumbest thing i've ever heard. |
| 22:08.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: so stop playing. |
| 22:08.23 | Fisker | should i attempt something that may leave me reinstalling Windows? |
| 22:08.28 | Legorol | well ashamed is a wrong word |
| 22:08.33 | Legorol | a better way to look at it is: |
| 22:08.39 | PProvost | I have hear of employers who consider MMO playing a negative thing |
| 22:08.48 | Legorol | in the kind of professional environment i move in and apply for jobs, playing MMOs is frowned upon |
| 22:08.49 | NightHawkTheSane | PProvost: they're idiots, and i wouldn't work for any of them |
| 22:09.01 | PProvost | No argument from me |
| 22:09.04 | PProvost | :D |
| 22:09.08 | Legorol | i am not ashamed of it as such, but consider it a private matter that's none of my employer's business |
| 22:09.13 | Dashkal | related aside to the job concern: WoW isn't always a black mark now. Some (perhaps younger) managers would look on, say, guild leader/officer experience as valuable |
| 22:09.28 | Legorol | yes, there are places where it's a positive thing even |
| 22:09.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i've routinely told employers (potential and actual) that I play, if they ask what I do in my free time. |
| 22:09.31 | Kraps | Fisker: skynet duh |
| 22:09.36 | Legorol | i'm sure if you are applying to be a game designer/programmer it's good |
| 22:09.36 | NightHawkTheSane | it's never been the cause of me losing, or not getting, a job |
| 22:09.39 | Fisker | all that is really only going to matter in a very few positions |
| 22:09.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: there are NO areas where it should be considered negative, if it is, you're employer is a BAD EMPLOYER. |
| 22:09.56 | foxlit | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/june/westfall_22.jpg |
| 22:09.59 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: i work in different circle |
| 22:10.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: no, you work for bad people. |
| 22:10.12 | Fisker | I atleast know that i'll never be putting WoW and Psy-Trance on my resumé |
| 22:10.13 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: it may be that it *shouldn't* be, but that doesn't mean it *isn't* |
| 22:10.21 | Fisker | "Lazy drugaddict" |
| 22:10.23 | Fisker | i'd figure |
| 22:10.25 | Dashkal | The privacy issue is another matter entirely. And is part of why I won't post. |
| 22:10.26 | NightHawkTheSane | you may as well say "i can't go to concerts, because my boss might find out" |
| 22:10.44 | NightHawkTheSane | or "i can't eat red meat, because my work doesn't like non-vegetarians" |
| 22:10.45 | Dashkal | I don't feel the need to defend my right to privacy; I expect people to defend their intrusion into my privacy. |
| 22:10.53 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 22:10.59 | Legorol | here is the thing: |
| 22:11.05 | Fisker | i'm a thing |
| 22:11.06 | Fisker | for free |
| 22:11.15 | PProvost | Or "I can't smoke pot at home by myself because my boss might find out?" |
| 22:11.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: it's simple, don't patronize people who are prejudiced (sp?) |
| 22:11.16 | batbot | NightHawkTheSane, prejudiced is correct. |
| 22:11.18 | Legorol | usually what you say/post under your real name doesn't get recorded and immortalised in the form of google |
| 22:11.21 | Legorol | here you don't have a choice |
| 22:11.27 | Legorol | and that concerns me |
| 22:11.46 | Legorol | you say one wrong thing just one time, and from there on, googling your name will show it potentially |
| 22:11.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: so, you'll have to think before you speak, and this is a bad thing? |
| 22:12.05 | Legorol | we are not talking about your weblog or facebook page being on google |
| 22:12.12 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, we are. |
| 22:12.14 | Legorol | we are talking about every little thing you post being there potentially |
| 22:12.31 | Legorol | (in a WoW context that is) |
| 22:12.56 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're posting something that you dont want other peopel to see, and relate to you personally, you shouldn't be posting it. that has NOTHING to do with realid, and everythign to do with common decency. |
| 22:12.58 | Dashkal | I have little to say that I want immortalized to my name. |
| 22:13.03 | Dashkal | Simply because I change over time |
| 22:13.09 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh, that was horribly misspelled. |
| 22:13.12 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: well not really, that's to do with anonimity |
| 22:13.19 | Legorol | why does the police have an anonymous tip-off line? |
| 22:13.23 | Dashkal | My feelings three years ago on some game forum do not necesaraly reflect my feelings now. |
| 22:13.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: that's entirely different. this is a public forum. |
| 22:13.42 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Oh god did you just use that fallacy? |
| 22:14.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: what fallacy? a public forum, any public forum is NOT an police tip-line. |
| 22:14.16 | Legorol | that's true, the analogy was poor |
| 22:14.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: and sure, opinions and feelings change over time, but if you articulate them well, you have nothing to worry about. It's fine to say "I felt that way then, I don't now." |
| 22:14.58 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: My work life and personal life are not shared. My opinions at work do not always match my personal opinion. The first is politics. The latter me. |
| 22:15.22 | Dashkal | Now, if I did not have to depend on others to sustain myself, this would be less of an issue... |
| 22:15.36 | Dashkal | However, since I lack a money tree, I have to play the politics game. |
| 22:15.47 | Dashkal | Why should I _always_ have to play the politics game? |
| 22:15.59 | NightHawkTheSane | you shouldn't, and no one is saying you should. |
| 22:16.01 | NightHawkTheSane | I don't. |
| 22:16.11 | NightHawkTheSane | In personal outlets, I say what I want, about what I want. |
| 22:16.34 | Dashkal | Unfortunately, you're incorrect in "and no one is saying you should." Evidenced by people losing their jobs over opinions expressed outside of the work environment. |
| 22:16.48 | Dashkal | Poor employer? Sure. I still need an income. |
| 22:16.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: fair enough, but those employers are wrong, and should not be worked for. |
| 22:17.03 | Dashkal | One word: recession |
| 22:17.11 | Dashkal | I need money for food and shelter. Jobs aren't aplenty |
| 22:17.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraps (~chatzilla@pool-71-169-26-196.pghk.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:17.14 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs. |
| 22:17.35 | NightHawkTheSane | me too |
| 22:17.37 | Kraps | i accidentally my computer |
| 22:18.03 | foxlit | what, all of it? |
| 22:18.10 | Dashkal | My point is avoiding the kind of people who would judge me improperly isn't a trivial, or even easy thing. I have to deal with them if I want to function reasonably. |
| 22:18.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Audible (~jon@212.20.222.174) |
| 22:18.47 | Dashkal | The protection that allows me to avoid that kind of judgement is the alias. Another name to use. Arguably, that alias becomes a better 'me' than my given name. |
| 22:18.49 | malreth | foxlit: LOL! |
| 22:18.59 | NightHawkTheSane | I don't think it's blizzards responsibility to enable that, though. |
| 22:18.59 | Kraps | wheres fisker |
| 22:19.13 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder how long it'll be until employment contracts require that you list your online handles also |
| 22:19.16 | Satisfyme | http://www.wowace.com/addons/gnome-run/ Would like comments on this Idea :) |
| 22:19.25 | Dashkal | They don't have to have forums at all. But that's a discussion killer and so I'm disregarding it. |
| 22:19.38 | NightHawkTheSane | It's a poor argument to say "I want to hide my wow playing, so this forum change sucks" |
| 22:19.41 | foxlit | Dashkal: let people decide what to call themselves, and you'll get 9999 accounts named "Esports" |
| 22:19.53 | foxlit | * true story from the sc2 forums. |
| 22:20.09 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: actually it's a very good argument |
| 22:20.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: I know some places ask for your username on various social networking sites. |
| 22:20.20 | Legorol | any argument of the form "this affects me badly, therefore it sucks" is a valid one |
| 22:20.21 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, no it isn't, it would be a poor argument to say "I want to hide my wow playing, so blizzard should be required to not do this" |
| 22:20.28 | Legorol | because we are talking about what effect it will have on different people |
| 22:20.33 | Legorol | obviously not everyone is affected... i am |
| 22:20.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: okay, that's fair. |
| 22:21.00 | Spejnar | Easily solved for me, I will stop using their forums. |
| 22:21.10 | ZorbaTHut | for what it's worth, I believe Blizzard has the full legal right to do this if they want. I also believe they're being simultaneously dumb and thoughtless by doing so. |
| 22:21.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: oh, I can't imagine there was EVER a legal question about it. |
| 22:21.24 | ZorbaTHut | Also, who wants to bet that blue posters won't be required to use their full names. |
| 22:21.27 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: i agree on the first count, i disagree on the second |
| 22:21.33 | Legorol | i'm fairly sure they thought it through |
| 22:21.37 | Dashkal | Oh certianly the have the right. Not arguing if they have the right. Arguing if they should. |
| 22:21.38 | Legorol | it's an experiment.. let's see how it works out |
| 22:22.03 | Legorol | the unfortunate thing is that imo there are two types of people (at least): those that dont' need to hide their wow playing, and therefore have nothing to fear, and those that do |
| 22:22.14 | Legorol | obviously the second group has no choice here |
| 22:22.22 | Legorol | for the first group, i think this is a positive thing |
| 22:22.30 | ZorbaTHut | I do think it's pretty damn funny that they made this whole thing with realid to make it as hard as possible to add someone's account, and then immediately follow it up with this |
| 22:22.39 | Kraps | ZorbaTHut: they've said at least twice that blues will have their full names up |
| 22:22.54 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: what do you mean by hard to add someone |
| 22:23.16 | Legorol | Kraps: blues clearly don't need to hide from their RL environment that they are associated with WoW ;) |
| 22:23.18 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, I can't say "I'd like to add (this person) to my realid list please", I have to go and ask them for their email address. |
| 22:23.20 | Dashkal | Legorol: You can only _attempt_ to add a person via their email address or via a mutual friend. And that's pending them accepting it. |
| 22:23.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: yeah, that kinda gets me, they played a pretty big spin game with the initial implementation, and then this |
| 22:23.34 | ZorbaTHut | alternatively, I could just go stalk them on blizzard forums, find it via that, and then add them :P |
| 22:23.58 | Dashkal | The friend of a friend BS is why I won't use that feature either. My friends list is private. |
| 22:24.00 | Kraps | real creeper or troll of the year? http://i25.tinypic.com/10sdgts.png |
| 22:24.00 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: but you can reverse that, no? you can give out your email addy instead to that other person, and they can initiate first |
| 22:24.04 | sylvanaar | yes but not send them realid whispers |
| 22:24.14 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, sure, but my point is that you can't just click someone's name and request a friend thing |
| 22:24.25 | Legorol | Dashkal: yah that too :( |
| 22:24.39 | ZorbaTHut | even if they wanted to include the "authorization required" step, requiring an email address is just a pointless extra step here |
| 22:24.42 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: indeed, and that's quite interesting |
| 22:24.57 | Legorol | i wonder why they don't allow right-click -> send real ID request |
| 22:25.04 | Legorol | presumably it's to avoid accidentally accepting it |
| 22:25.07 | NightHawkTheSane | afk. coffee run. |
| 22:25.25 | Legorol | i wonder when will someone write an addon to brute-force real id requests from a farmed email list |
| 22:25.31 | Cide | Kraps, doesn't matter |
| 22:25.34 | Cide | the situation is impossible |
| 22:25.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: they want an explicit sharing of information involved. |
| 22:25.41 | Cide | there is no character => real name map available |
| 22:25.44 | NightHawkTheSane | you must get someone's b.net email address to add them |
| 22:25.49 | Legorol | especially after trawling facebook for wow players, finding Joe Smith, then trying joe.smith@gmail.com ;) |
| 22:26.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: that's not blizz's fault, though. ;) |
| 22:26.16 | Legorol | the b.net email addy thing is anot a problem at all for me |
| 22:26.22 | NightHawkTheSane | ok, actually afk |
| 22:26.33 | Legorol | as soon as real id was put into SC2, the first thing i did was to change my bnet email to an alias i only use for this one purpose |
| 22:26.50 | Legorol | problem solved |
| 22:26.52 | sylvanaar | thats probably best |
| 22:26.53 | Dashkal | Cide: Yet. One can be built over time. It won't be exaustive, but it will exist. ex: Realm forums. Stormwind Knights recruiting! /w Gnollbasher in game! |
| 22:27.01 | Legorol | as far as i'm concerned, sharing that still keeps me anonymous |
| 22:27.04 | Cide | nope |
| 22:27.09 | Legorol | and i don't mind close in-game friends knowing my full name |
| 22:27.12 | sylvanaar | what happens when you change your email, do you lose the friends on your list? |
| 22:27.13 | Cide | that will be EXTREMELY and massively limited |
| 22:27.31 | Legorol | sylvanaar: i suspect once linked, you stay linked |
| 22:27.40 | Dashkal | Cide: You can't make that statement without knowing what percentage of people will link their mains to their forum account. |
| 22:27.42 | Legorol | note that the bnet email is not displayed and/or used anywhere after link is established |
| 22:27.47 | frontendloader | Dagmar: so far nothing has worked, and I think I'm going to draw the line at recompiling the linux kernel, which is the next step I think. :( |
| 22:28.05 | Cide | Dashkal, a vast minority of the players are forum posters in the current world |
| 22:28.06 | Legorol | i do have a problem with the friend-of-friend thing though |
| 22:28.11 | Legorol | on at least two levels, actually |
| 22:28.11 | Cide | even fewer will be when the real name change goes live |
| 22:28.23 | Cide | and even fewer yet will link their name to their character |
| 22:28.26 | Legorol | first level (less problem): i'm not sure i want all my friends to see my complete friend list |
| 22:28.31 | Lunessa | Oh, and for those wondering... You can't edit your name on your Battle.net account. I'm going to have to stare at Matthew instead of Matt for the rest of my battle.net life. |
| 22:28.31 | Cide | and you can only link it to one character |
| 22:28.32 | Dashkal | Um... so? Only forum users are affected by this change at all... |
| 22:28.38 | Cide | no |
| 22:28.39 | Dashkal | So that's the subset we're concerned with |
| 22:28.44 | Legorol | second level (bigger problem): i definitely do NOT want my name to be passed on to a third party by a friend of mine |
| 22:28.55 | Legorol | especially accidentally |
| 22:28.56 | Cide | we're discussing the possibility of the whole "I am eyeing this chick in my guild and I want to meet her irl" |
| 22:29.04 | Cide | that discusses the whole player base |
| 22:29.20 | Cide | and the possibility to create, and the magnitude of, a character => real name map |
| 22:29.31 | Cide | I'm giving you arguments why it's extremely limited |
| 22:29.33 | Dashkal | If given chick does not use the forums in the first place, she is utterly unaffected by the forum change. Why are we discussing this? |
| 22:29.45 | Legorol | what i'm worried of is this: I add Joe as a real ID friend. Joe being dumb gets his email addy guessed/hacked/whatever, and/or accidentally accepts a request from malicious BoB |
| 22:29.51 | Legorol | Bob can now see me as Joe's friend |
| 22:29.56 | Cide | because people are arguing the change and saying that it is suddenly doable |
| 22:30.13 | Cide | see <Kraps> real creeper or troll of the year? http://i25.tinypic.com/10sdgts.png |
| 22:30.14 | Dashkal | Then those people are stupid. More concerning is tracking down someone who argues with you on the forums. |
| 22:30.21 | tekkub | Bob then malliciously asks you to go to the ice cream social |
| 22:30.31 | malreth | Cide: that's easy to do... first step is you hang out where your marks hang out... make all nice nice... maybe get invited to their IRC channel... become well accepted... then maybe then come meet you in person and you chat and exchange contact info... maybe you friend a few of them on Facebook and then you're in! |
| 22:30.34 | Cide | they are talking on the assumption that it's a feature of the system and not an extreme coincidence |
| 22:31.15 | malreth | it could take years, but what's that to a dedicated stalker? |
| 22:31.30 | Dashkal | People arguing that non-forum-users are put at risk because of a forum-only change are either misinformed or are being intentionally obtuse. Can we argue with actual situations here? |
| 22:31.34 | sylvanaar | ad hominem's will be back in fashion on the forums |
| 22:31.41 | Dashkal | There are enough real cases... |
| 22:32.03 | Cide | there are only for a very small subset of people |
| 22:32.06 | Cide | and those do not have to post |
| 22:32.19 | Cide | although it's naturally sad that those who do want to post out of that subset are now forced not to post |
| 22:32.21 | Cide | but such is life |
| 22:32.23 | Lunessa | malreth: OH SNAP! I"M CAUGHT |
| 22:32.42 | malreth | Lunessa: you were a pawn... my real target was Lopepeppy |
| 22:32.47 | DWSR | I think the idea of screen names would be really nice. |
| 22:32.49 | Dashkal | Cide: You're a state machine where everything goes to the trap state... |
| 22:32.57 | Lunessa | muwahahaha |
| 22:32.57 | Cide | I am a state machine |
| 22:33.04 | malreth | that i was able to get Cairenn and tekkub was ICING |
| 22:33.28 | Lunessa | But the trade off for me was all your various mistresses. And delicious meals in good eateries in Austin. |
| 22:33.37 | Cide | Dashkal, you're a state machine where everything goes to the bitch and moan state |
| 22:33.41 | tekkub | get me what |
| 22:33.49 | Dashkal | If you don't want to discuss it, please don't. Making nothing but termal arguments is derailing and borders on outright trolling |
| 22:34.03 | Cide | wait what? |
| 22:34.08 | Cide | I'm just pointing out an inaccuracy |
| 22:34.10 | Cide | how is this trolling |
| 22:34.15 | Cide | and you even agree with me |
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| 22:34.24 | Dashkal | Your arguments (at least to me) always direct to "This is easily solved, so why discuss it". |
| 22:34.31 | malreth | is Cide trolling again but not really trolling again? |
| 22:34.37 | Cide | I have never trolled |
| 22:34.40 | Cide | Dashkal, nah |
| 22:34.46 | Cide | I feel for the people involved |
| 22:34.52 | Cide | but I personally don't consider it a big deal |
| 22:34.53 | Dashkal | Then I'm misunderstanding you. |
| 22:34.56 | Cide | how is this difficult to understand? |
| 22:35.03 | Cide | and how does it constitute trolling? |
| 22:35.25 | Kraps | Shirik|Gh: you |
| 22:35.27 | tekkub | because you always have a trollful tone |
| 22:35.30 | Dashkal | I'm calling you out for steering the discussion to a terminal case. "This affects a small set of people" which, intentionally or not, implies "why discuss it in this depth?" |
| 22:35.45 | DWSR | Yes, why? |
| 22:35.58 | DWSR | Blizzard is going to put the decision through, regardless of what we say or do. |
| 22:36.03 | DWSR | So please, shut the fuck up about RealID already. |
| 22:36.07 | DWSR | EOF |
| 22:36.10 | Cide | Dashkal, yes, I suppose that's a good argument |
| 22:36.20 | tekkub | see that's my problem, I don't think this is at all blizzy |
| 22:36.28 | Cide | well then you're dumb |
| 22:36.32 | Lunessa | I liked some of the benefits of RealID for in-game use, with a selected sub-set of users that I prescreened and personally chose. I don't like plastering my name on the internet for every forum post. That make the choice for me. I'm not a troll or cretin. I don't stalk women or commit acts of violence against the persons of others. But I would like the choice about to whom I reveal my information. |
| 22:36.39 | tekkub | I seriously believe this is a decision of the management about blizzy |
| 22:36.40 | Cide | why don't you accept that blizzard is making a decision you disagree with? :P |
| 22:36.49 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I don't think anyone here is claiming that our debate is going to change blizzard's mind. |
| 22:36.51 | DWSR | Lunessa: So don't post. |
| 22:36.55 | DWSR | Simple. |
| 22:36.57 | tekkub | because their playerbase doesn't like it |
| 22:37.00 | Lunessa | DWSR: I never will. |
| 22:37.07 | tekkub | and I believe blizzy is not THAT out of touch with their players |
| 22:37.07 | DWSR | Cool, problem solved thenm |
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| 22:37.23 | Cide | it's not about the game though |
| 22:37.28 | Cide | it's about the feedback channel for the game |
| 22:37.29 | tekkub | that's exactly it |
| 22:37.34 | Lunessa | Which is a community loss, since I'm a very helpful person. But they're fine with that. |
| 22:37.38 | Cide | I can see why they want to improve the quality of that |
| 22:37.39 | Dashkal | There's no way in hell they don't know that this is unpopular. |
| 22:37.47 | Cide | of course they do |
| 22:37.58 | Dashkal | The question is how they are going to move forward in the face of this opposition. |
| 22:38.04 | Cide | but the forums don't affect the game which is why they might be going through with it |
| 22:38.09 | tekkub | much more liberal use of the banhammer and some basic changes (you only get one username on the forum, people can see all your toons) would do it |
| 22:38.13 | Dashkal | And that none of us know yet (except perhaps if someone who works for blizz is lurking) |
| 22:38.20 | Kraps | but like tekkub said, i think its out of blizzs hands |
| 22:38.45 | Cide | it's not |
| 22:38.47 | Cide | why would it be? |
| 22:38.52 | Legorol | the whole shift of focus to social networking is a bit... weird |
| 22:39.01 | Kraps | tekkub: thats why this change isnt about trolls |
| 22:39.01 | Cide | this is not about social networking |
| 22:39.03 | Legorol | the sudden appearance of facebook integration and the lkes |
| 22:39.12 | Cide | the sc2 facebook stuff is |
| 22:39.12 | Legorol | Cide: i think this fits in with that greater paradigm |
| 22:39.21 | Cide | I think this is just about accountability |
| 22:39.26 | Cide | and they happened to seize the opportunity |
| 22:39.32 | Legorol | they even said so in a place or two that they want to make gaming on b.net a more social experience |
| 22:39.37 | Kraps | thats just a misdirect |
| 22:39.38 | Dagmar | Heck, I think just linking forum bans to game bans again would seriously put a damper on the trolling |
| 22:39.39 | Legorol | they want to steal a bit of market share in social networking |
| 22:39.47 | tekkub | I think it's all just Vivendi seeing facebook games making bank and thinking they have to get in on it |
| 22:39.47 | Cide | that's impossible |
| 22:39.54 | Cide | or negligible anyway |
| 22:39.55 | Legorol | no cide i don't think this is just accountability |
| 22:40.00 | malreth | ^ what tekkub said |
| 22:40.00 | ZorbaTHut | personally I think they should be using an SA model for forum trolls. just ban people and make 'em fork over money to get back in |
| 22:40.04 | Legorol | well i don't mean to imply they want to compete with facebook or teh like |
| 22:40.09 | Cide | ok |
| 22:40.14 | Cide | oh sweet tekkub |
| 22:40.20 | Legorol | they just want to turn using b.net into more of a facebook-like experience |
| 22:40.21 | Cide | you used Vivendi and not activision |
| 22:40.26 | tekkub | yes |
| 22:40.27 | Cide | I was going to quote the agreement again but now I don't have to |
| 22:40.29 | Cide | thanks :) |
| 22:40.36 | Dashkal | ZorbaTHut: I can't believe I'm saying this, cause I hate SA.... You're probably right there. That would help quite a bit |
| 22:40.38 | Cide | anyway they're stand-alone under vivendi also |
| 22:40.44 | Legorol | i do think that this forum change is part of that whole new direction |
| 22:40.50 | tekkub | activision really is just like a conjoined twin in the relationship |
| 22:40.51 | Legorol | it's not just about clearing up the forum |
| 22:40.52 | DWSR | Frankly, I'm glad that they're doing this. |
| 22:41.00 | tekkub | they just jiggle about when blizzy moves its head |
| 22:41.00 | ZorbaTHut | dashkal, I don't know of any other forum of even a small fraction of SA's size that manages to keep trolling that far down. It's pretty dang effective. |
| 22:41.04 | DWSR | The forums have needed a scorched earth approach for a long time. |
| 22:41.11 | Dashkal | Unless I missed something, vivendi is still the corprate overload. Not activision |
| 22:41.13 | DWSR | It's just a cesspool, the only way to clean it is to nuke it from orbit. |
| 22:41.19 | Legorol | DWSR: i am not so glad, because of the greater direction it's a part of |
| 22:41.27 | Kraps | DWSR: wrong |
| 22:41.31 | Kraps | so wrong |
| 22:41.31 | Legorol | i want to play *computer games*, not take part in a social network here |
| 22:41.33 | Dashkal | ZorbaTHut: Which is why I'm agreeing. It's true, SA does an amazing job of keeping the trolling down. |
| 22:41.37 | Legorol | facebook is there for that |
| 22:41.40 | DWSR | Legorol: So disable RealID |
| 22:41.42 | DWSR | Done. |
| 22:41.45 | DWSR | No one's forcing you to opt-in. |
| 22:41.57 | Legorol | sure DWSR, i understand that option |
| 22:42.08 | Dashkal | DWSR: Addons can mine realid data. Yes, if you don't have the skills to audit these things, you can be forced to opt-in |
| 22:42.09 | Legorol | but they didn't just simply create a new platform next to an existing one.. |
| 22:42.11 | DWSR | Then there's nothing to discuss. RealID is optional. Either you take advantage of it or you don't. |
| 22:42.18 | Legorol | they obliterated an existing (and useful) communication platform |
| 22:42.20 | ZorbaTHut | Plus they'd get extra money from it. It's a great idea. :D |
| 22:42.30 | Kraps | 1) attach everyone to a single name 2) make forum moderation = game moderation |
| 22:42.31 | DWSR | Dashkal: While I /will/ agree that the opt-in process needs to be a bit more explicit, past that I really don't understand what all of the freaking fuss is about. |
| 22:42.43 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, the discussion is about whether or not it's a good idea, and what blizzard's motivation is. it isn't about whether it's somehow possible to avoid their rules. |
| 22:42.56 | Legorol | this ^ |
| 22:43.03 | Cide | rofl |
| 22:43.06 | Cide | stop using ^ |
| 22:43.09 | Cide | it's scrolling too fast |
| 22:43.10 | Spejnar | ^ |
| 22:43.10 | tekkub | ^ |
| 22:43.10 | Legorol | :) |
| 22:43.13 | Dashkal | ^^^ |
| 22:43.14 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Such a discussion is fruitless. |
| 22:43.20 | Legorol | DWSR: quite the contrary |
| 22:43.21 | DWSR | There will always be yay and nay-sayers. |
| 22:43.25 | Legorol | it's much more useful than "blizz shouldn't do this" |
| 22:43.28 | malreth | oh no, see what you did, Cide? you're such a ^ troll |
| 22:43.31 | Legorol | we know that won't go anywhere |
| 22:43.32 | Dashkal | hmm, actually, I wonder if Blizzard does have a lurker in here. |
| 22:43.37 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, some people find it worthwhile to debate and consider things even when there's no possible end result that changes anything. Intellect is fruit of its own. |
| 22:43.38 | Cide | malreth, what ^ said |
| 22:43.40 | Legorol | but brainstorming to try and work out the motivation behind it is interesting |
| 22:43.40 | Dashkal | >.> |
| 22:43.40 | DWSR | so all we're really doing is circle-jerking. |
| 22:43.49 | Cide | circle-bitching |
| 22:43.52 | ZorbaTHut | No, all you're doing is threadshitting. The rest of us are debating. :P |
| 22:43.56 | tekkub | The thing that makes me sad is I see the management thinking "this will make the trolls stop"... then everyone stops using the forum and they think "oh it worked" |
| 22:43.58 | malreth | DWSR: hey! no one circle jerks me! |
| 22:44.08 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Derailing the channel, but sure. |
| 22:44.08 | tekkub | and they never realize that they drove all the users off the forum |
| 22:44.09 | Legorol | tekkub: i actually don't think it will stop everyone |
| 22:44.15 | tekkub | not everyone |
| 22:44.18 | tekkub | but a lot |
| 22:44.19 | ZorbaTHut | it's not like this channel is really on rails all the time anyway. |
| 22:44.21 | Legorol | i think those people who prefer anonymity are very much int he minority |
| 22:44.21 | Cide | I think if this discussion is going to go anywhere people need to stop with the "<FOO> MADE THEM DO IT" or "BLIZZARD IS CORRUPTED" |
| 22:44.28 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Not like Ruby. |
| 22:44.29 | DWSR | ~rimshot |
| 22:44.30 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 22:44.33 | tekkub | enough that it will reinforce their decision in their minds |
| 22:44.35 | Cide | it's pointless and irrelevant |
| 22:44.39 | Cide | (and wrong) |
| 22:44.43 | Dashkal | tekkub: I think they'll know they drove people off. Blizzard management doesn't really fit the PHB stereotype. They're pretty reasomnably clued in. |
| 22:44.49 | DWSR | Cide: The whole discussion is somewhat pointless. :P |
| 22:44.51 | Dashkal | Though I don't doubt that they'll consider the loss acceptable. |
| 22:44.52 | Cide | nah |
| 22:44.53 | Legorol | i think that this is actually a positive change for teh majority of sane, normal WoW users |
| 22:45.00 | DWSR | ^ |
| 22:45.00 | Legorol | there are only two kind of people affected by this: |
| 22:45.01 | DWSR | This. |
| 22:45.03 | Cide | I see a lot of relevance in discussing alternative implementations |
| 22:45.05 | tekkub | Dashkal: aye, I'm *not* talking about Blizzy mgmt |
| 22:45.07 | Cide | but I haven't seen a good one |
| 22:45.15 | Legorol | trolls (possibly), and those of us who have something to hide |
| 22:45.19 | Dagmar | DWSR: I'll just say outright that 1) destroying privacy along with anonymity is a big mistake and 2) the new forums will entice people who don't know any better to expose themselves to the tender "mercies" of the people who should probably be buried alive |
| 22:45.20 | Dashkal | tekkub: ahh, overloard mgmt. PHB entirely likely then |
| 22:45.21 | Legorol | but those are minority |
| 22:45.28 | Cide | Legorol, exactly |
| 22:45.33 | Cide | there just happens to be a lot of wow players |
| 22:45.35 | Legorol | i actually *wish* i didn't have to worry about my name appearing on a WoW forum, and i could post freely |
| 22:45.37 | Cide | hence 1100+ pages |
| 22:45.41 | Legorol | i don't worry about being stalked/harassed |
| 22:45.41 | A-KO | god |
| 22:45.43 | A-KO | this shit again |
| 22:45.45 | DWSR | Dagmar: Survival of the fittest. You somehow see this as a problem or an abomination of natural order? |
| 22:45.45 | A-KO | jesus fucking christ |
| 22:45.47 | DWSR | A-KO: Right? |
| 22:45.50 | Cide | there is /leave |
| 22:45.50 | ZorbaTHut | (side note: argh, luabind is not good at complex ownership semantics :( ) |
| 22:45.52 | DWSR | That's what I said 10 minutes ago. |
| 22:45.59 | Cide | hey guys |
| 22:46.01 | Legorol | cide, one possible alternative: |
| 22:46.07 | Cide | spaces are better than tabs |
| 22:46.07 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, survival of the fittest isn't a panacea |
| 22:46.09 | Cide | discuss |
| 22:46.14 | Dagmar | DWSR: I see it as something we learned doesn't work in the 80's, we learned doesn't work in the 90's, and we're about to see it fail horribly again |
| 22:46.14 | Legorol | let you choose a random real-ish name, but it sticks with the account forever |
| 22:46.16 | tekkub | see cide |
| 22:46.16 | ZorbaTHut | there is value in tweaking the "fitness" function to promote the goals you have in mind. |
| 22:46.20 | tekkub | you're trollign agagin |
| 22:46.21 | Dashkal | Cide: agreed. tabs don't belong in source code. |
| 22:46.26 | Cide | tekkub, :) |
| 22:46.27 | A-KO | grow the fuck up everyone, the internet isn't out to fucking get you. There aren't any mythical fucking stalkers that are going to take your wow forum account name and fucking track you down and come into your shower at night while you have soap in your eyes. |
| 22:46.29 | Cide | for the first time |
| 22:46.31 | ZorbaTHut | I believe dagmar's point is that the inevitable fitness function for the new forum is something that is, shall we say, suboptimal. |
| 22:46.31 | sylvanaar | Cide: i dont think even spaces/tabs can stop this train |
| 22:46.40 | DWSR | Cide: Yes. Tabs are variable width between systems and fonts. Spaces aren't |
| 22:46.43 | Dagmar | DWSR: Some asshole *always* takes their argument offline. Doesn't matter how well-intentioned or how friendly the forum generally is. |
| 22:46.44 | Legorol | A-KO: you missed a lot of the discussion, we moved way past that |
| 22:46.55 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, there's plenty of businesses that do google searches for people's names and refuse to hire based on the contents of some dude's facebook page. |
| 22:46.57 | Legorol | the harassment/stalking part is a minor concern (at least to me) |
| 22:47.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: so shoot said asshole in the face. Problem solved. |
| 22:47.12 | tekkub | yea A-KO, if you're not going to read where we are in the discussion, just stay out of it... especially if you don't care anyway :P |
| 22:47.26 | A-KO | ZorbaTHut: okay? and? What are they going to find out? You play WoW, big deal. They're not going to hire you because you play WoW! omg......in fact, I'll be honest with you, playing WoW has only helped my career. |
| 22:47.26 | Legorol | ^^ |
| 22:47.32 | Legorol | (oops that was meant for tekkub's) |
| 22:47.43 | tekkub | I got hired because of wow |
| 22:47.43 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, well, yes, actually, that's exactly what many of them will do :P |
| 22:47.45 | Legorol | A-KO: not eveyrone is in the same boat |
| 22:47.46 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: that seems like fail on the part of the employers. I wonder what sort of place allows such douchebaggery. |
| 22:47.47 | tekkub | twice actually |
| 22:47.49 | Cide | I got hired because of wow |
| 22:47.54 | Dagmar | dwsr: Tell that to the freshman who's got strangers calling their dorm in the middle of the night, or the high-schooler that's now being harassed between classes |
| 22:47.55 | Cide | I made money because of wow |
| 22:47.57 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, most places, although I agree that it's pretty damn fail |
| 22:48.06 | Dagmar | the next _unwilling_ Star Wars kid |
| 22:48.12 | A-KO | Legorol: I HIGHLY doubt any company would not hire you because of WoW, I assure you of that. Keep in mind that the manager at my gym is a WoW and former IRC nerd... |
| 22:48.17 | Legorol | right, i'll give you a real example: academia |
| 22:48.18 | ZorbaTHut | also, I will point out that the people who are regularly in a WoW UI mod development channel may have slightly higher financial success off WoW than most. |
| 22:48.30 | Legorol | i work in serious academia, and old professors/university management highly frown on MMO playing |
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| 22:48.43 | Cide | who cares |
| 22:48.48 | A-KO | Legorol: Do you really want to work there in that case? |
| 22:48.49 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, there are *many* stories of companies not hiring based off facebook pages, and I've seen a few stories of someone almost not getting hired because they mentioned WoW. It's not as uncommon as you'd think. |
| 22:48.53 | Cide | are they going to decline your proposition because of forum posts Legorol? |
| 22:48.54 | Dashkal | Cide: we do, obviously |
| 22:48.57 | Legorol | i don't need to have my name googled, and among the scientific papers i published, have my wow forum posts mixed in |
| 22:49.02 | A-KO | yes Cide, they will, apparently. |
| 22:49.05 | ZorbaTHut | cide, some will, yes. |
| 22:49.08 | malreth | Legorol: uh... it sure hasn't mattered at all at the university where I work at |
| 22:49.08 | Legorol | Cide: they might |
| 22:49.14 | Cide | then call blizzard billing |
| 22:49.15 | tekkub | sometimes "wanting" to work somewhere isn't a question |
| 22:49.16 | A-KO | is being sarcastic |
| 22:49.17 | Cide | change your last name |
| 22:49.20 | Cide | profit |
| 22:49.22 | tekkub | I didn't "want" to work fast food |
| 22:49.23 | malreth | hell... our department had its own WoW guild for a while |
| 22:49.26 | sylvanaar | Legorol: i have posts on usenet from the early 90's - thats even worse |
| 22:49.31 | Dagmar | A-KO: That depends on how conservative they are. I know quite well that the years of PC and networking experience I have wouldn't amount to anything in the face of "He plays that game with demons in it" if I applied for a job ad General Board of Disciples or Southern Baptist Convention |
| 22:49.34 | Legorol | lol sylvanaar |
| 22:49.47 | foxlit | Legorol: You're already in trouble, though. |
| 22:49.53 | foxlit | What if someone else with your name plays wow? :) |
| 22:50.05 | Dagmar | A-KO: Stuff like that is why privacy is important |
| 22:50.12 | Legorol | foxlit: that's very possible, and nothing i can do about :) |
| 22:50.17 | Legorol | although unlikely |
| 22:50.23 | Cide | Legorol's name is weird |
| 22:50.25 | Cide | I saw it |
| 22:50.27 | foxlit | This "I typed your name into google -> it's clearly about *YOU*" reasoning is fallacious and needs to go away. |
| 22:50.31 | Cide | I am scarred |
| 22:50.33 | Legorol | haha |
| 22:50.42 | tekkub | don't type my name into google |
| 22:50.43 | Dagmar | You don't necessarily have to be doing something wrong to be discriminated against, you just have to be into something someone in charge of hiring doesn't like |
| 22:50.44 | tekkub | that ALL me |
| 22:50.44 | Legorol | foxlit: that i agree with |
| 22:50.50 | tekkub | you might not like what you find out |
| 22:50.54 | malreth | Dagmar: i think it's a good thing that Southern Baptists aren't allowed to play WoW |
| 22:50.55 | tekkub | if you didn't know it already |
| 22:50.59 | Kraps | the vibe i'm getting from you 3 is "this doesnt affect me so why should i care if someone else now has a higher chance of getting harmed?" |
| 22:51.17 | Cide | that's a load of kraps |
| 22:51.26 | Dagmar | malreth: Yes, they're only allowed to patronize hookers on 8th Ave and go to the strip clubs |
| 22:51.27 | Kraps | no it isnt |
| 22:51.27 | A-KO | Kraps: Nobody has any higher chance of getting "harmed" as a result of these forum posts. |
| 22:51.34 | A-KO | sorry |
| 22:51.37 | Dagmar | malreth: ...and that's not sarcasm. They *do* those things |
| 22:51.38 | A-KO | I can pretty much guarantee that |
| 22:51.38 | Kraps | untrue |
| 22:51.39 | tekkub | the thing that just gets me are the "if you don't like it don't use it" people |
| 22:51.41 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, I think that's quite easily demonstrably false. |
| 22:51.46 | A-KO | your first and last name don't matter--at all, whatsoever, in any security circles |
| 22:51.50 | Cide | A-KO, that's false |
| 22:51.51 | A-KO | ZorbaTHut: Please, demonstrate |
| 22:51.52 | A-KO | please do |
| 22:51.53 | Lunessa | Speaking as someone who has been denied a job because the hiring manager (illegally so) asked me questions about my religious beliefs, I'm pretty sensitive to the discrimination angle. |
| 22:51.54 | A-KO | please show me |
| 22:51.56 | Kraps | i can guarantee the opposite |
| 22:51.59 | tekkub | what is wrong with having a reasonable set of options for the peopel that don't like it so that they CAN use it |
| 22:52.00 | ZorbaTHut | I mean there's already people talking about going to Blizzard employee houses and telling them to knock off realid |
| 22:52.07 | Cide | I'm sure if obama posted he would be getting shit quite fast |
| 22:52.17 | Dagmar | malreth: When the Classic Cat was open (which is less than a block from SBC headquarters) they always had a bunch of people in there during SBC ops |
| 22:52.24 | A-KO | Lunessa: and I get discriminated against for being a male with long hair, and having social anxiety in positions with authority figures, big whoop. |
| 22:52.51 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, http://kotaku.com/5550609/man-spends-six-months-plotting-murder-of-counter+strike-rival |
| 22:52.52 | A-KO | ZorbaTHut: They won't bother, they'll be too much pussies--not ot mention, as SOON as one of them got arrested, everyone else would stop. |
| 22:52.52 | Legorol | actually, that's an interesting post.. how the hell would the country look at Obama if it turned out he likes to punt those gnomes in his (precious) spare time |
| 22:52.55 | Dagmar | A-KO: Both the user's first and last name are considered PII by the commerce and health industries |
| 22:52.57 | malreth | and i get discriminated against because i just want to wear a sock in public. just a sock. |
| 22:52.59 | ZorbaTHut | you're seriously telling me that this sort of thing can't happen again? |
| 22:53.01 | foxlit | tekkub: critical mass, unfortunately |
| 22:53.06 | Legorol | although i highly doubt that Obama actually plays, there are plenty celebrities that do |
| 22:53.16 | Lunessa | A-KO: I used to be in some of those categories too. And I got discriminated against. I'm just saying, I'm sensitive on those issues too. Quit being a prick. |
| 22:53.18 | Dagmar | You can get in less trouble for revealing the last four digits of someone's credit card than you can their full name |
| 22:53.19 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, similarly, that's why nobody murders anyone else in real life either: because one murderer got arrested, and now nobody dares murder anyone else |
| 22:53.21 | A-KO | Dagmar: no they're not, first, last name + other information is only considered private information. First and last name ALONE does not constitute it. |
| 22:53.27 | ZorbaTHut | except that's not what happened at all and people are still murdered frequently |
| 22:53.31 | A-KO | ZorbaTHut: so where's the problem? |
| 22:53.32 | ZorbaTHut | so I don't know why you think it would happen online |
| 22:53.39 | Dagmar | A-KO: Yes, honestly. They *are* PII. |
| 22:53.43 | A-KO | Dagmar: I'm more than willing to look it up for you |
| 22:53.48 | A-KO | I've had this discussion at work |
| 22:54.02 | Dagmar | We've had audits over this in the last year |
| 22:54.15 | Dagmar | My dept had to steward a crapload of DLT tapes |
| 22:54.38 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.52 | Kraps | you thought trolling based on gear and progression was bad? just wait for trolling based on race/religion/gender |
| 22:54.59 | Dagmar | Kraps++ |
| 22:55.12 | A-KO | Kraps: all of which are bannable offenses, not ot mention the counter trolling that could be done. |
| 22:55.22 | A-KO | Dagmar: Your auditors were just trying to get money then |
| 22:55.29 | malreth | my question is if we can use RealID to kick Mormons off the forums |
| 22:55.33 | A-KO | Dagmar: not even that new MA law constitutes your first/last name as private information |
| 22:55.36 | Dagmar | A-ko: No, they weren't. Our auditors were us. |
| 22:55.38 | Corrodias | :D |
| 22:56.02 | A-KO | Dagmar: http://www.mass.gov/Eoca/docs/idtheft/201CMR1700reg.pdf |
| 22:56.04 | Corrodias | so let's throw out the fact that it does nobody any good to have names displayed, and just focus on what level of harm it can do! |
| 22:56.06 | Dagmar | ...and I'm pretty sure both racist and sexist attacks on the forums are bannable offenses |
| 22:56.16 | A-KO | Dagmar: read what "Personal Information" constitutes in that MA law, recently enacted |
| 22:56.20 | A-KO | and was highly publicized on the net |
| 22:56.39 | A-KO | a Massachusetts resident's first name and last name or first initial and last name in combination with any one or more of the following data elements that relate to such resident: (a) Social Security number; (b) driver's license number or state-issued identification card number; or (c) financial account number, or credit or debit card number, with or without any required security code, access code, personal identification number or password, that would permit |
| 22:56.43 | Corrodias | anything having to do with me is personal information. -how- personal is up for debate. |
| 22:56.59 | Dagmar | Yes, I can read just fine. |
| 22:57.08 | Dagmar | If you think I'm wrong, that's fine too |
| 22:57.18 | Corrodias | i appreciate you copying that in so we don't have to open the pdf, thuogh |
| 22:57.34 | DWSR | A-KO: So First + Last Name isn't personal information. |
| 22:57.38 | A-KO | first + last name, not important. If you think it should be important, then please legislate laws that force htat. In fact, I hope you do--it will keep me in a job to help companies comply with it. |
| 22:57.40 | Dagmar | The college I work for makes _lawyers_ by the fistful. I trust their judgement |
| 22:57.59 | Dagmar | Plus all you're saying is "the law this state passed doesn't consider it PII" which doesn't mean no one else does |
| 22:58.01 | Cide | you trust the lawyers over the law? |
| 22:58.04 | malreth | RealID wouldn't have happened if a Republican was president. |
| 22:58.24 | DWSR | troll |
| 22:58.26 | Cide | god hates realid |
| 22:58.28 | A-KO | Dagmar: MA's law is one of the "most restrictive" in the country. |
| 22:58.32 | Dagmar | malreth: No, by now we'd all be using our own DHS IDs or face penalties |
| 22:58.33 | A-KO | and it's not really that restrictive. |
| 22:58.39 | Cairenn | tone it down guys |
| 22:58.42 | Lunessa | malreth: yes it would have. It would have been First + Last + SSN |
| 22:58.44 | Lunessa | :P |
| 22:58.48 | ZorbaTHut | malreth, they would have just skipped straight to the mandatory identification implants |
| 22:59.13 | Corrodias | so what's wrong with uniquely identifying each person? |
| 22:59.25 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 22:59.38 | DWSR | Consider said person an "average joe". Not a government double agent. |
| 22:59.44 | Dagmar | Bush was headed a *nasty* place |
| 22:59.50 | tekkub | you know, I find all this really funny |
| 23:00.03 | tekkub | Boyd ranted and raved on teh "just don't use it" line for days |
| 23:00.14 | tekkub | now he's like "I don't want to use my real name" |
| 23:00.28 | Dagmar | So now he's seeing what it'll do then |
| 23:00.30 | tekkub | and here he was saying I was a privacy nut a week ago |
| 23:00.36 | ZorbaTHut | corrodias, there are major advantages to anonymity. political protesting, for example |
| 23:00.38 | Kraps | boyd? |
| 23:00.47 | tekkub | my REAL friend |
| 23:00.53 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Heck this isn't even anonymity... they're tossing privacy out as well |
| 23:00.58 | foxlit | Are you realid friends? |
| 23:00.58 | tekkub | he's better than you fucksmudges because he's REAL |
| 23:01.00 | ZorbaTHut | there's a large number of historical cases where governments and large organizations used detailed information for repression purposes |
| 23:01.05 | Dagmar | They could keep privacy and still eliminate anonymity |
| 23:01.11 | foxlit | Because, you know, not real without realid. |
| 23:01.12 | tekkub | I can even *touch* him |
| 23:01.14 | Corrodias | okay, i'll give you that, in a world where you can't trust the government to do what's good and right (and of course we can't), it could ahve problems. |
| 23:01.22 | A-KO | ZorbaTHut: there are a rather large number of historical cases of governments being overthrown, too :P |
| 23:01.24 | A-KO | just an fyi |
| 23:01.27 | Dagmar | One persistent 'nym per battle.net account, which is what it'll amount to to the trolls who know enough to pay for game time with game cards |
| 23:01.33 | malreth | later folks |
| 23:01.36 | Corrodias | A-KO: are you suggesting we rebel against Blizzard? |
| 23:01.42 | Kraps | tekkub: do you *like* touching him? |
| 23:01.47 | A-KO | Corrodias: Blizzard isn't a government organization :P |
| 23:01.47 | tekkub | he won't let me |
| 23:01.51 | tekkub | but I *could* |
| 23:01.58 | tekkub | and that's what makes him REAL |
| 23:01.59 | Dashkal | And a good number of cases where people failed to overthrow and were slaughtered instead... |
| 23:02.04 | Corrodias | oh. well, i haven't yet seen any reason to accept the change, so i'm sticking with "stuuuuupid!" |
| 23:02.04 | Dagmar | Corrodias: We'll storm their datacenter and rule under a platform of FREE GOLD FOR EVERY1! |
| 23:02.33 | Kraps | ^ |
| 23:02.36 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, that's true, but it tends to be bloodier and far more deadly in cases where the government has practiced severe repression |
| 23:02.39 | Corrodias | let's! |
| 23:02.44 | ZorbaTHut | and in some cases, it seems to nearly require outside assistance, which isn't really ideal. |
| 23:03.08 | Corrodias | we'll ask the players of Star Trek Online to deal arms to us |
| 23:03.19 | Corrodias | maybe join a coalition force |
| 23:03.32 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, look at the difference between the relatively non-repressive British ownership of what is now the US, compared to the Soviet Union or North Korea. |
| 23:03.35 | Dagmar | ...just... not from a ferengi dealer |
| 23:03.44 | Dagmar | I'd like phasers that *work*, thanks |
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| 23:04.36 | Dashkal | blinksd |
| 23:04.45 | Dashkal | RDD has already jumped the shark: They're adding zombie DLC |
| 23:04.52 | Dashkal | RDR. Sorry |
| 23:05.20 | Corrodias | what is rdr? |
| 23:05.27 | Dashkal | Red Dead Redemption |
| 23:05.44 | ZorbaTHut | dashkal, I feel we need a zombie equivalent of godwin's law |
| 23:05.45 | Dashkal | Western themed game by the people who did GTA |
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| 23:09.09 | mrpoundsign | hello! |
| 23:09.37 | Dashkal | TF2 Medic and Heavy dancing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Qlz2631Ic |
| 23:10.19 | DWSR | Single most awesome thing I've seen today. |
| 23:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | dunno if you guys have seen this |
| 23:10.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgAkWxcPBE |
| 23:10.47 | ScytheBlade1 | AMAZING RIGHT THERE. |
| 23:10.57 | mrpoundsign | have you seen http://i.imgur.com/zhhDQ.jpg ? |
| 23:12.19 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Wow. And there we have it. Trolls dancing |
| 23:12.31 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: win |
| 23:12.38 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: that clip is becoming the new "hitler is angry about something" |
| 23:12.44 | ScytheBlade1 | oh I'm sure |
| 23:12.53 | ScytheBlade1 | entirely faked |
| 23:12.56 | ScytheBlade1 | still entirely awesome |
| 23:13.14 | Kraps | i saw another vid with the same clip |
| 23:13.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Comrade Leon-Stalin Junior is a hero |
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| 23:17.49 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1&pageNo=1959#39175 |
| 23:19.23 | DWSR | Kraps: Win |
| 23:19.25 | DWSR | But fail |
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| 23:26.24 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1&pageNo=1509#30169 |
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| 23:27.29 | Kraps | at least this debacle is spawning creativity |
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| 23:35.39 | Antiarc | I like how we're at forty-four thousand posts |
| 23:35.50 | Antiarc | And Kotick is probably printing them out to use as toilet paper |
| 23:36.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That's on one thread, I take it? |
| 23:36.19 | ScytheBlade1 | There is another thread on the generic battle.net forums |
| 23:36.43 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out folks. See you tomorrow. |
| 23:36.48 | ScytheBlade1 | later |
| 23:37.00 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: Yes, the WoW forums thread is up to 44k posts |
| 23:37.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Add the forums.battle.net thread in |
| 23:37.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm curious |
| 23:37.42 | Cide | funny thing Antiarc |
| 23:37.47 | Cide | kotick is not involved |
| 23:38.01 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: then theres all the different EU forum |
| 23:38.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: even then, 1 thread per |
| 23:38.14 | Kraps | s |
| 23:38.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: I'm sure that the mods are making sure that is the case |
| 23:38.29 | Antiarc | Cide: Well, it's moderately obvious that it's someone way up the food chain pulling the strings. |
| 23:38.47 | Kraps | yes but they are all at least 100+ |
| 23:42.29 | Cide | Antiarc, not at all |
| 23:42.52 | Cide | you just don't want to believe it's the same guys as always because you happen to disagree |
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| 23:43.35 | Antiarc | No, not really. I've got feelers out that indicate that the internal state of things isn't any better than the external, but that they're gagged. |
| 23:43.40 | Antiarc | I mean, I can't prove anything. |
| 23:43.49 | Cide | oh, what feelers? |
| 23:43.54 | Antiarc | Personal contacts. :) |
| 23:43.57 | Cide | besides wow.com or incgamers |
| 23:44.11 | Cide | well my personal contacts say otherwise |
| 23:44.47 | Antiarc | Either way, it's disheartening no matter who the source is. |
| 23:45.20 | Cide | only if it's true |
| 23:45.41 | Antiarc | If what's true? That's they're moving forward with this sort of system? I think that's fairly well-established at this point. |
| 23:45.50 | Cide | oh, that |
| 23:45.59 | Cide | well that's only disheartening if you disagree with the change I suppose |
| 23:47.14 | Antiarc | I disagree with the direction. |
| 23:47.48 | Antiarc | Games are escapism for me, not a first-class member of my life, and the RealID change is attempting to force-promote it to first-class status. |
| 23:48.04 | Cide | the forums are not the games |
| 23:48.04 | Antiarc | (because that makes it more visible and uses me as an advertising conduit for the game) |
| 23:48.14 | Antiarc | If you think it stops with the forums you're deluding yourself. |
| 23:48.16 | NeoTron | Cide: it's an extension of the games |
| 23:48.19 | Cide | arguably |
| 23:48.40 | NeoTron | expressing yourself on a forum is an escapism as well |
| 23:48.43 | Antiarc | I work in "social media". I understand, to no small degree, the mindset with which this field works. |
| 23:48.54 | Antiarc | I do not want to see WoW become a part of the "social media" ecosystem. |
| 23:49.03 | NeoTron | I work in Anti-social media. Go away. |
| 23:49.49 | Wobin | haha |
| 23:50.06 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1l217B88nk&feature=player_embedded Al-Qaeda Calls Off Attack On Nation's Capitol To Spare Life Of 'Twilight' Author |
| 23:50.24 | Wobin | At first they came for the friends list, and I said nothing, for I had no friends, then they came for the forums, and I said nothing for I do not post... =P |
| 23:50.28 | Dagmar | Yep. They're nuts alright. |
| 23:50.34 | Cairenn | Wobin: heh |
| 23:50.39 | NeoTron | which camp do you think they below to? |
| 23:50.43 | Dagmar | Then they came for my epix, and I cried. |
| 23:50.45 | NeoTron | (no I don't follow it, I just find it amusing) |
| 23:51.15 | mrpoundsign | hmm, they should just have RealID forums and 4chan.org forums and it's all done with. |
| 23:51.24 | Kraps | NeoTron: who? |
| 23:51.25 | mrpoundsign | s/4chan.org/classic/g |
| 23:52.36 | NeoTron | Kraps: Al-Qaeda of course |
| 23:52.51 | NeoTron | obviously they are Twilight fans |
| 23:53.01 | Kraps | says in the vid, Bin Ladin is team Jacob |
| 23:54.03 | NeoTron | good to know |
| 23:54.19 | NeoTron | I haven't seen any of my movies. My wife has but she's not really "team" anything |
| 23:54.52 | NeoTron | I made the decision to turn off flash in my browser at work some time ago so I can't see it :P |
| 23:55.54 | Kraps | the AQ rep says "You will be hooked or my mother is a jew" |
| 23:56.09 | Kraps | you gonna go against that? |
| 23:56.13 | Antiarc | Team Belmont. |
| 23:56.17 | Wobin | ^ |
| 23:56.22 | Wobin | Team Summers |
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| 23:56.33 | NeoTron | Team Buffy! |
| 23:57.19 | Kraps | Team Staite |
| 23:58.57 | Wobin | as in Jewel? |
| 23:59.19 | Kraps | yuss |
| 23:59.22 | Wobin | PS, that russian spy -totally- looks like her |
| 23:59.34 | Wobin | am I the only one that thinks that? |
