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| 00:04.28 | Jamash | http://3liz.org/geolocation/ |
| 00:10.08 | SeanK | tekkub, you there?? Do you maintain TourGuide anymore or is that out of your hands? |
| 00:12.20 | SeanK | In case you are logging this (like I am) I notice while grinding Wintersaber rep that TourGuide keeps turning off tracking on my quests after each kill. When I disable TourGuide it stops. I don't user Tourguide much anymore so I can just disable it, but just in case you still cared. |
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| 00:18.05 | Shirik | lmao |
| 00:18.10 | Shirik | FAQ page for the frostmourne replica: |
| 00:18.13 | Shirik | Is the sword battle ready or fully functional? |
| 00:18.14 | Shirik | No. The sword is for display purposes only. |
| 00:19.20 | Cide | if it's not battle ready it's not a sword |
| 00:19.25 | Cide | also |
| 00:19.27 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 00:19.32 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 00:21.05 | DJJeff | so far I have been on venture co and thorium brotherhood both fail |
| 00:21.12 | DJJeff | what realm is really into progression |
| 00:21.14 | Shirik | hmm |
| 00:21.18 | DJJeff | and downing the lich king |
| 00:21.20 | Shirik | does bzr support shelving and multiple changelists? |
| 00:21.29 | Shirik | or does anyone know a VCS that does? (Other than perforce) |
| 00:28.39 | Shirik | amro ^ |
| 00:28.57 | amro | shelving meaning? |
| 00:28.59 | DJJeff | ......... |
| 00:29.10 | DJJeff | what realm is really into progression and downing the lich king X_X |
| 00:29.12 | amro | I dunno these perforce terms |
| 00:29.16 | Shirik | shelving is like |
| 00:29.23 | Shirik | here |
| 00:29.57 | Shirik | Shelving is the process of temporarily storing work in progress on a Perforce Server without submitting a changelist. Shelving is useful when you need to perform multiple development tasks (such as interruptions from higher-priority work, testing across multiple platforms) on the same set of files, or share files for code review before committing your work to the depot. After shelving files, you can revert or modi |
| 00:30.04 | Shirik | it's sorta like a commit |
| 00:30.13 | Shirik | it sends the stuff to the server and is accessible to anyone |
| 00:30.27 | Shirik | but your files (can) get reverted when you shelve files |
| 00:30.43 | Cide | sounds like branching in most dvcs's |
| 00:30.53 | amro | sort of like a test commit? or maybe commit? that you later commit or abandon? |
| 00:30.54 | Torhal | git has stash |
| 00:30.55 | Shirik | so let's say you're working on task A and go "oh crap I need to work on task B" and you need to make sure everything still builds |
| 00:31.08 | Shirik | so you shelve your changes to A, finish B, build, submit B, then unshelve A |
| 00:31.12 | Shirik | yeah it's the same as git's stash |
| 00:31.13 | Cide | sounds like the way bzr wants you to use branches anyway |
| 00:31.14 | Shirik | I know git supports that |
| 00:31.23 | Shirik | but I don't think git supports multiple changelists |
| 00:31.26 | amro | yeah |
| 00:31.28 | amro | bzr has that |
| 00:31.35 | amro | the stashing |
| 00:31.46 | amro | what are changelists? |
| 00:31.58 | Shirik | a set of pending changes that you can commit |
| 00:32.17 | amro | like git's index? |
| 00:32.18 | Shirik | this way when you commit, you don't have to commit everything at once, maybe you only want to commit 3 files, so you commit that changelist |
| 00:32.21 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 00:32.23 | amro | yeah |
| 00:32.25 | amro | git indexing does that |
| 00:32.34 | Shirik | :/ |
| 00:32.37 | amro | git add <stuff> #gets added to index, commits will work ont hese files only |
| 00:32.37 | Shirik | you're going to make me use git |
| 00:32.46 | amro | it's not bad |
| 00:32.51 | amro | I had my misgivings about it at first |
| 00:32.56 | amro | but it's actually kinda neat |
| 00:32.57 | Shirik | I don't have a problem with it itself |
| 00:32.59 | Cide | does it still suck on windows? |
| 00:33.01 | Shirik | I have a problem with the developer |
| 00:33.06 | Cide | and is linus still stupid? |
| 00:33.13 | amro | yes and yes |
| 00:33.16 | amro | but who cares about windows |
| 00:33.17 | Cide | figured |
| 00:33.19 | Cide | I do |
| 00:33.24 | amro | ~Cide-- |
| 00:33.25 | Cide | msvc does |
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| 00:33.49 | Cide- | ~Cide++ |
| 00:33.57 | amro | hax! |
| 00:33.59 | Cide | hides |
| 00:34.07 | Cide | you can't bring me into the single digits dude! |
| 00:34.12 | amro | ~karma Cide |
| 00:34.12 | purl | cide has karma of 10 |
| 00:34.14 | amro | ah |
| 00:37.36 | amro | Shirik: bzr doesn't have staging, but you can commit specific files only like with svn |
| 00:38.20 | Shirik | not realy the same, because sometimes I lose track of what files are open for what reason |
| 00:38.32 | Shirik | like with perforce, when I do a checkout, I immediately add it to a pending changelist so I don't forget why I checked it out |
| 00:38.41 | Shirik | at work I have like 7 pending changelists right now |
| 00:38.56 | Shirik | if I had to remember the separation between those files I'd lose my mind |
| 00:39.00 | amro | yeah I know |
| 00:39.14 | amro | you could use git, but no one knows how to make it work on windows |
| 00:39.26 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:39.40 | Cide | clearly you need to install it on cygwin |
| 00:39.50 | amro | seriously, last I checked I was told to download 1.4gb of I don't even know what |
| 00:39.59 | amro | where's the bonfire in thunderbluff? |
| 00:40.56 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:40.57 | Shirik | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Special:ListUsers |
| 00:47.54 | amro | ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Hinoa hates italians. (Created on August 27, 2008 at 21:16) |
| 00:47.56 | amro | I like this guy |
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| 01:03.25 | YammYgirlcoding | hi guys! o/ |
| 01:03.59 | YammYgirlcoding | i can't buy dual spec, anyone knows which addon is causing this? |
| 01:04.40 | DJJeff | disable all your addons |
| 01:04.42 | DJJeff | buy it |
| 01:04.48 | DJJeff | then turn them on |
| 01:04.51 | DJJeff | profit ??? |
| 01:04.56 | YammYgirlcoding | its not a known issue? |
| 01:05.15 | YammYgirlcoding | i wondered if the addon was known already |
| 01:05.55 | YammYgirlcoding | or at least the type of addon |
| 01:07.16 | amro | what do you mean you can't buy it? do you get an error? |
| 01:07.19 | amro | you need to be level 40 |
| 01:07.28 | YammYgirlcoding | no error, the money just dont go to the npc |
| 01:07.42 | amro | then do as DJJeff said |
| 01:08.25 | YammYgirlcoding | oky |
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| 01:22.23 | Thunder_Child | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/06/supersonic4.jpg want |
| 01:23.19 | ScytheBlade1 | so I tried to change the authenticator on my account |
| 01:23.27 | ScytheBlade1 | and now I get invalid username/password |
| 01:23.28 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 01:23.50 | Thunder_Child | can you log into battle.net? |
| 01:24.05 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 01:24.20 | Thunder_Child | try the ild authenticator |
| 01:24.23 | Thunder_Child | old* |
| 01:24.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't get that far |
| 01:24.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I get invalid username or password |
| 01:24.32 | ScytheBlade1 | :p |
| 01:24.47 | Thunder_Child | can you log into wow? |
| 01:24.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have an active account |
| 01:25.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Which, as I cannot login to battle.net, makes activating hard |
| 01:25.27 | Shirik | owned |
| 01:25.32 | ScytheBlade1 | oh lol I'm bad at life |
| 01:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | wrong password |
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| 01:25.48 | Shirik | ok I owned myself actually |
| 01:25.57 | Shirik | what just happened? |
| 01:26.02 | Thunder_Child | lol, Shirik. drive by owning |
| 01:26.04 | Cide | wat is dis i dont even |
| 01:26.09 | Thunder_Child | <-- Shirik (~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik) has left #wowuidev |
| 01:26.09 | Thunder_Child | --> Shirik (~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik) has joined #wowuidev |
| 01:26.10 | batbot | Thunder_Child: @ [string "Shirik (~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngin..."]:1: unexpected symbol near '~' |
| 01:26.18 | Shirik | lol @ batrick |
| 01:26.21 | Thunder_Child | ty batbot..... |
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| 01:26.55 | ScytheBlade1 | woo there we go |
| 01:26.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.coffeepowered.net/2010/06/10/flexauth-portable-authentication-for-battle-net/ |
| 01:27.04 | ScytheBlade1 | the part where that works is pretty darn okay |
| 01:27.29 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: welcome back to the fold? |
| 01:27.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: there are other uses of battle.net accounts than WoW |
| 01:27.57 | Thunder_Child | LIES! |
| 01:27.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: in fact, I had one well before they mattered with respect to WoW |
| 01:28.16 | Thunder_Child | so did i, but that is besides the point |
| 01:28.26 | Thunder_Child | since authenticators were set up for wow |
| 01:28.31 | ScytheBlade1 | http://dev.averageurl.com/cc/_atlanta.png |
| 01:28.33 | ScytheBlade1 | is amusing |
| 01:28.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://dev.averageurl.com/cc/_houston.png |
| 01:28.38 | ScytheBlade1 | as well |
| 01:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | my connection is SO BAD |
| 01:30.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I wonder what caused the sudden spike in the atlanta one, though |
| 01:32.51 | Thunder_Child | http://inventorspot.com/articles/pepsi_strong_shot_jolts_cola_scene_your_taste_buds_43911 |
| 01:33.02 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: how about *those* graphs? they remind you of hate-net? |
| 01:35.15 | Thunder_Child | "Here's one gadget I won't be lining up for: a "Menstruation Machine" that allows men "to experience the painful bleeding of menstruation."" |
| 01:35.27 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5574556/finally-a-menstruation-machine-that-allows-men-to-experience-the-monthly-cycle |
| 01:36.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd ask how that works, but something tells me I don't want to know |
| 01:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | (and no, I'm not clicking on the link) |
| 01:36.47 | amro | shouldn't they be working on a machine that allows women to avoid the painful bleeding of menstruation? |
| 01:37.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm guessing that one is easier than the other |
| 01:37.13 | Thunder_Child | or the machine that i read about a while back that tests the breaking point of an erect penis......the people who made it couldnt find any test subjects |
| 01:37.38 | Cide | ouch |
| 01:37.42 | Cide | in the name of science |
| 01:38.09 | Thunder_Child | lol http://www.neatorama.com/2010/06/27/you-are-being-monitored/ |
| 01:40.13 | Shirik | I want that sign |
| 01:40.55 | Cide | Tucker 3:39 am |
| 01:40.55 | Cide | (03:39:18): nice, I want one |
| 01:40.55 | Cide | Cide 3:39 am |
| 01:40.55 | Cide | (03:39:22): me too |
| 01:41.11 | amro | you're asking to be sent back to single digits |
| 01:41.17 | Cide | duuude. |
| 01:41.24 | Cide | don't risk it |
| 01:41.27 | Cide | ~amro++ |
| 01:41.46 | amro | epeen-bribery |
| 01:41.50 | Cide | lol |
| 01:41.54 | Cide | I know how to play 'em bitches |
| 01:41.59 | Cide | .... |
| 01:42.38 | amro | ~Cide++ |
| 01:42.43 | amro | next one will cost you a paypal transaction. |
| 01:42.51 | Cide | I have $450 |
| 01:42.57 | amro | deal |
| 01:42.57 | Cide | how many will that get me? |
| 01:42.59 | batrick | Shirik: !!!!! |
| 01:43.29 | amro | only one way to find out |
| 01:44.08 | Cide | this is awesome |
| 01:44.09 | Cide | Historians have always wondered about a smear under the word "citizens" in an early draft of the Declaration of Independence. They've wondered if Jefferson had written "our fellow patriots" or "our fellow residents." Using a spectral imaging technology, researchers revealed the truth: Jefferson had a Freudian slip and wrote "subjects" instead of citizens. |
| 01:44.47 | batrick | that's not a slip |
| 01:45.04 | batrick | people are blowing this way out of proportion |
| 01:45.15 | Shirik | ?? |
| 01:45.18 | Shirik | where did you see this? |
| 01:45.27 | Cide | http://www.neatorama.com/2010/07/03/5-neat-facts-about-the-declaration-of-independence/ |
| 01:45.30 | batrick | it's been in the news the last couple days |
| 01:45.39 | Cide | ^ I had no idea |
| 01:45.46 | Cide | just saw that and found it funny |
| 01:46.30 | batrick | there is mountains of evidence jefferson hated royalty and especially the king of that time |
| 01:46.47 | batrick | although it wouldn't even be peculiar if someone like him were a royalist |
| 01:47.01 | batrick | hell, franklin was a royalist |
| 01:47.12 | batrick | and tried for years to patch up the relationshipo between the colonies and england |
| 01:47.42 | Cide | related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71Dtj2W7pw |
| 01:47.42 | kd3 | sbo; whee |
| 01:47.54 | kd3 | ya. that looks a hell of a lot like my isp |
| 01:50.40 | DJJeff | what realm is really into progression and downing the lich king X_X |
| 01:50.53 | Cide | none |
| 01:50.55 | Cide | that was months ago |
| 01:51.07 | Shirik | ^ |
| 01:51.23 | DJJeff | Lies |
| 01:51.25 | DJJeff | all lies |
| 01:51.31 | batrick | oi shirik |
| 01:51.37 | Cide | oh shit |
| 01:51.38 | Shirik | dude |
| 01:51.38 | DJJeff | every single one |
| 01:51.38 | batrick | let's play chess |
| 01:51.40 | Cide | I got a new website concept |
| 01:51.43 | Cide | monthsbehind.com |
| 01:51.46 | Cide | does it exist? |
| 01:51.46 | Shirik | even I have the LK achievement |
| 01:51.53 | Cide | it does not! |
| 01:51.58 | Shirik | squatted, Cide :P |
| 01:52.03 | Cide | yeah |
| 01:52.05 | Cide | but not used |
| 01:52.07 | amro | Cide: I would have laughed forever if it did exist and you were months behind |
| 01:52.14 | Cide | hahaha |
| 01:52.18 | Cide | that would have been great |
| 01:52.25 | Shirik | batrick |
| 01:52.26 | batrick | Shirik: :( :( :( |
| 01:52.28 | Shirik | I'm in the middle of my workout |
| 01:52.33 | batrick | mad qq |
| 01:52.36 | Cide | .net is a guild website |
| 01:53.19 | Shirik | that looks like an awful guild |
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| 01:55.08 | amro | they're called months behind, what did you expect |
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| 01:56.23 | Cide | they should, not so coincidentally, be showcased on monthsbehind.com |
| 02:02.12 | Cide | night guys |
| 02:04.32 | Shirik | :/ |
| 02:04.39 | Shirik | currently has a 2364 calorie deficit for the day |
| 02:04.48 | Shirik | and it's 7 PM |
| 02:07.53 | Thunder_Child | you have had 134 calories today? |
| 02:08.00 | Shirik | no |
| 02:08.13 | Thunder_Child | 2500 is about average |
| 02:08.46 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8481d8109c50066dc4220341a9852f9d.png |
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| 02:26.13 | DJJeff | is proudmoor a good realm? |
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| 02:31.48 | Kraps | all rise for the guitar of liberty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qizNQKzatXA |
| 02:40.44 | Kraps | hey cogwheel |
| 02:41.07 | cogwheel | ahai |
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| 02:41.31 | Kraps | looks like Zarhym pwnd ur stuff :( |
| 02:42.11 | cogwheel | you noticed ;) |
| 02:42.22 | cogwheel | afk sec |
| 02:51.10 | Shirik | who's Zarhym? |
| 02:51.30 | cogwheel | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25626576491/no-addons-for-the-duration-of-the-beta/ |
| 02:51.51 | cogwheel | esp. his 2nd post |
| 02:53.36 | cogwheel | lua> 148+188+224 |
| 02:53.36 | lua_bot | cogwheel: 560 |
| 02:53.59 | cogwheel | yeah... yesterday i had more traffic on my site than the first three months of the year put together >< |
| 02:54.38 | cogwheel | err make that 2 months... but still |
| 02:55.15 | Kraps | Shirik>who's Zarhym? -_- |
| 03:00.21 | Shirik | hold up |
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| 03:00.24 | Shirik | the beta doesn't allow for addons? |
| 03:00.28 | Shirik | I didn't bother to check |
| 03:00.31 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: you ever answer my quiestion about doing fireworks photography? |
| 03:00.34 | kd3|hate`net | grr |
| 03:00.35 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 03:00.41 | Kraps | for now Shirik |
| 03:00.47 | kd3|hate`net | Shirik, no. they turned off insecure addon loading during the alpha |
| 03:00.53 | Shirik | can you still do scripts? |
| 03:00.59 | kd3|hate`net | which broke a few internal things they were working on (the guild ui) |
| 03:00.59 | kd3|hate`net | yes |
| 03:01.09 | Shirik | and I'm not sure I saw the question Thunder_Child |
| 03:01.13 | Kraps | kd3|hate`net: y so hate? |
| 03:01.15 | kd3|hate`net | until we see what the fallout from them disabling McRun will be |
| 03:01.19 | kd3|hate`net | looks at his ghost |
| 03:01.45 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: it's still a valid question |
| 03:02.00 | Shirik | what question |
| 03:02.20 | Thunder_Child | ...are you going to be doing and fireworks photography on teh 4th |
| 03:02.26 | Shirik | probably |
| 03:02.37 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: http://dev.averageurl.com/cc/_atlanta.png |
| 03:02.48 | Kraps | "As an alternative, we considered just not making tanking gear, but we didn't like how that would feel." lololol |
| 03:02.52 | Thunder_Child | well this weeks photography contest @ gizmodo is fireworks if you are interested |
| 03:03.02 | kd3 | feels like me |
| 03:03.02 | Shirik | oh neat |
| 03:03.24 | kd3 | has had a call out to at&t for a week and a half to fix his landline, which is taking his dsl down with it |
| 03:03.48 | kd3 | I get a chirp of a first ring, then if I don't pick up the phone within a few seconds, the caller gets disconnected. they try again they get fax tones... |
| 03:04.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, awesome |
| 03:04.04 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: thats the whole internets in atlanta? |
| 03:04.19 | kd3 | hopefully not. GaTech would've burned the city down by now |
| 03:04.28 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://gizmodo.com/5576573/shooting-challenge-fireworks |
| 03:06.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: no, an atlanta server pinging my home line |
| 03:06.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: compare: http://dev.averageurl.com/cc/_houston.png |
| 03:06.59 | Kraps | whats it mean? |
| 03:07.10 | ScytheBlade1 | that my line sucks |
| 03:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | as does comcast |
| 03:08.36 | Kraps | lol comcast |
| 03:09.17 | Kraps | cablevision ftw (so far) |
| 03:20.09 | batbot | Shirik cannot destroy me. |
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| 03:20.17 | Shirik | what are you Fisker? |
| 03:20.19 | kd3 | gah! |
| 03:23.43 | Shirik | ~time |
| 03:23.43 | purl | 2010.07.04 3:23:43 GMT |
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| 03:35.57 | Shirik | Transfer aborted: Instance not found |
| 03:35.57 | Shirik | Transfer aborted: Instance not found |
| 03:36.09 | Shirik | I just want to get in SM, it's not hard :( |
| 03:37.19 | Kraps | attempts to kick Shirik for spamming and misses |
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| 03:42.19 | Shirik | hahahahaha |
| 03:42.24 | Shirik | data = data[#data];-- I know this is bad. Sorry. |
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| 03:43.18 | MoonWitch | haste ping |
| 03:43.42 | MoonWitch | he picked a bad time to release 1.4 lol |
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| 04:08.44 | Mikk | why is that bad though |
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| 04:25.35 | MoonWitch | Mikk : I can´t sit up long enough to recreate my entire layout :P |
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| 04:35.30 | Thunder_Child | Iriel Shirik, http://gizmodo.com/5572829/someone-please-make-this-solar-camera-strap |
| 04:36.59 | Shirik | sooooo not worth it |
| 04:37.06 | Shirik | it would be too heavy to carry around imo |
| 04:37.58 | Iriel | That seems super impractical |
| 04:38.12 | Iriel | One of those backpack-mounted panels with the battery being charged inside maybe |
| 04:38.14 | Iriel | but not that |
| 04:39.08 | Arrowmaster | http://www.trueachievements.com/gamerstats.aspx?gamerid=70055 |
| 04:39.18 | Arrowmaster | that right section looks kinda funny |
| 04:41.07 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: there are very very light ones |
| 04:41.52 | Shirik | then either (1) they aren't very effective or (2) it would be more cost effective to get another battery |
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| 04:52.53 | Ycarene | Anyone know if there is a new pally power out? Righteous fury isn't showing up on mine anymore. |
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| 05:47.41 | Kraps | NSFW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV-sbVtaeA0 |
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| 06:00.37 | PProvost | Anyone know of an addon that simply makes the chatframes go low alpha until mouseover? |
| 06:00.45 | PProvost | Figure before I write one, I should check to see if one exists |
| 06:01.11 | PProvost | Ah |
| 06:01.23 | PProvost | Looks like BasicChatMods does something similar |
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| 06:13.11 | Antiarc | Holy crap |
| 06:13.17 | Antiarc | Some guy figured out how to get Froyo on -any- phone |
| 06:14.09 | Shirik | froyo? |
| 06:14.58 | Antiarc | Codename for Android 2.2 |
| 06:14.59 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/RSK4o.jpg |
| 06:15.37 | Zyn | that is bad, and you should feel terrible |
| 06:22.53 | Shirik | I do feel terrible |
| 06:22.59 | Shirik | but that's primarily because I did way too much work today |
| 06:23.25 | Kraps | on a saturday? |
| 06:23.36 | Kraps | 4th of july weekend? |
| 06:25.58 | Zyn | you enjoy that 4th of July, while I somewhat try to enjoy my brothers confirmation |
| 06:26.37 | batrick | zzz |
| 06:26.42 | batrick | hai shirik! |
| 06:28.49 | batrick | *sigh* why is it Wester Digital caviar hard drives have to be so shitty with ZFS :( |
| 06:29.07 | Shirik | because ZFS sucks |
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| 06:30.51 | batrick | !! |
| 06:31.14 | batrick | it has something to do with the drives spinning down or something trying to save power |
| 06:31.17 | batrick | anyway |
| 06:31.22 | batrick | shirik that is blasphemy |
| 06:31.34 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:31.49 | batrick | 02:29:07 <@Shirik> because ZFS sucks ????????????????? |
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| 06:37.09 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:37.13 | Shirik | that is accurate |
| 06:37.20 | Jamash | someone explain to me why they're doing brtfs instead of continuing reiser4 |
| 06:37.22 | Arrowmaster | batrick: are they consumer drives or enterprise? |
| 06:37.33 | batrick | caviars are consumer i think |
| 06:37.42 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: because they have nothing to do with each other afaik |
| 06:37.48 | batrick | they == who Jamash <-- |
| 06:37.51 | batrick | ? |
| 06:38.03 | Jamash | oracle |
| 06:38.10 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 06:38.38 | batrick | it'd be nice if oracle would release zfs under the gpl but from what i've read there is a very small chance of that happening |
| 06:38.47 | Kraps | Shirik: so talk pages are now "Discussion" pages? |
| 06:38.51 | batrick | o well, good excuse to use freebsd for once :) |
| 06:38.55 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:39.33 | Jamash | he's right, it says "Discussion" at the header |
| 06:39.50 | Kraps | except when you're logged in lolololo |
| 06:40.12 | Arrowmaster | batrick: if that ever happened i would hope they continue with brtfs but just get to use parts from zfs to speed up development, theres some things that zfs doesnt have that i would like |
| 06:40.59 | batrick | well, high on the list of things zfs needs is expandable raidz arrays |
| 06:41.05 | batrick | but i can put up with that because |
| 06:41.26 | Jerub | batrick: *nod* |
| 06:41.30 | batrick | it's simply not a good idea to make a raidz too large (like any raid) |
| 06:41.32 | Jerub | we've been bitten by that too |
| 06:41.49 | batrick | expanding a pool by adding another raidz doesn't sound that bad |
| 06:42.01 | Jerub | we're thinking about buying sun^H^H^Horacle hardware at work so we can get the dtrace diagnostics |
| 06:42.03 | batrick | so long as you are willing to add a bunch of drives |
| 06:42.15 | batrick | should just use freebsd imo |
| 06:42.26 | Arrowmaster | i thought freebsd had dtrace too |
| 06:42.27 | batrick | oracle doesn't have their shit together yet |
| 06:42.29 | Jerub | once we get that we can put the intent log on a solid state drive and improve our performance again. |
| 06:42.36 | Jerub | batrick: i know :( it's horrible. |
| 06:42.40 | batrick | they might, i'm not a freebsd pro |
| 06:42.54 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: there's a piece of management software that sits on top of dtrace which is fucking superb. |
| 06:43.08 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: it's not open source. |
| 06:43.18 | batrick | ya i need to get a small ssd probably for my zfs array |
| 06:43.29 | Jerub | we currently do a shallow echo of what it can do with a bunch of shell scripts. |
| 06:43.53 | batrick | What is really annoying me is |
| 06:43.58 | batrick | I have no idea wihch drives to get |
| 06:44.18 | batrick | i want to get some caviars but it sounds like there is a 50% chance the drive i get has really bad performance with zfs |
| 06:44.24 | batrick | because of stupid power saving bullshit |
| 06:44.50 | batrick | 50% chance --> some caviars work fine, others do not |
| 06:44.51 | Jerub | batrick: we're fortunate that we have a good relationship with ibm, when we were shopping for disks they gave us a day in their test lab |
| 06:45.17 | Jerub | we installed vmware esxi and ran workloads on a bunch of their disk arrays and controllers |
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| 06:49.06 | Jerub | i was looking at the cataclysm gear |
| 06:49.30 | Jerub | because of the all-specs-get-stam thing, it looks really weird to have +50 spirit +60 intellect +150 stamina |
| 06:54.33 | Jamash | grr, some addon is screwing up my quest log |
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| 06:55.40 | Jerub | i guess i should go back to farming emblems. |
| 06:55.54 | Jerub | i'm defcapped too! |
| 06:56.03 | Jerub | not that anyone noticed when i was tanking before i got there... |
| 06:56.40 | Jamash | were you tanking regular dungeons or heroics? |
| 06:57.05 | Jamash | I am seriously considering pouring milk into a bowl |
| 06:57.12 | Jamash | and filling it the rest of the way with mint m&ms |
| 06:57.37 | Jerub | heroics. |
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| 07:04.55 | zenzelezz | Cairenn|afk: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/07/03/funny-pictures-biggest-fan/ |
| 07:05.09 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
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| 07:27.08 | Jamash | shirik |
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| 07:44.27 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn|afk |
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| 07:51.40 | Cairenn|afk | hugs Sargeras |
| 07:52.11 | mikma | watermelon and coffee! |
| 07:52.15 | mikma | deliciousos |
| 07:57.32 | DJJeff | EP |
| 07:57.35 | DJJeff | IC! |
| 07:57.37 | DJJeff | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgnMpOU1LNQ |
| 07:58.08 | DJJeff | The Above Video Is Exactly How I Feel :) |
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| 07:59.05 | DJJeff | Epic LoLs too, This Video Should Be A Requirement For All Noobs |
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| 08:08.34 | Jamash | Talking In Title Case Makes You Look Like A Tool |
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| 08:13.28 | airtonix | FROzen YOghurt |
| 08:14.57 | Dagmar | wRONG cHARSET |
| 08:15.58 | airtonix | MIStaknING mE FOR SomEONe WHo GIVes A SHiT |
| 08:16.16 | airtonix | also keep the free "n" |
| 08:16.21 | airtonix | it's on the house |
| 08:16.23 | Dagmar | I thought that one was "unstable lunatic" |
| 08:16.36 | Dagmar | o wait |
| 08:16.49 | Fisker | wtf |
| 08:16.51 | Jamash | BoNE SToooooooooooooooooooooooRM |
| 08:16.56 | Dagmar | Hahaha |
| 08:16.57 | airtonix | Apathetic Sociopath |
| 08:16.59 | Fisker | just got a Blizzard Store order scam |
| 08:17.05 | Dagmar | Congratulations! |
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| 08:17.31 | Dagmar | I got an invite to the beta while in-game earlier, but the website is real slow and my password don't work |
| 08:17.40 | airtonix | bonestorm is the new leroy ? |
| 08:17.48 | Dagmar | ...and neither have the other 9,849 that I've tried. |
| 08:18.05 | Dagmar | 9,890... |
| 08:18.20 | airtonix | Dagmar, may i use your botnet ? |
| 08:18.25 | Fisker | you know what sucks Dagmar ? |
| 08:18.26 | Dagmar | I hope they enjoy my submissions. THey would be faster if TOR were faster |
| 08:18.32 | airtonix | lol |
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| 08:19.21 | Dagmar | I'd be publishin these things to full disclosure or somethin' if it wouldn't be painting a big target on mah face for criminals with a few mil on the line |
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| 08:19.29 | Dagmar | <-- not THAT stupid |
| 08:19.35 | Fisker | you know what sucks Dagmar ? |
| 08:19.35 | airtonix | ^ |
| 08:19.47 | airtonix | i think he has you on ignore |
| 08:19.50 | Dagmar | Nah |
| 08:19.57 | airtonix | shh |
| 08:20.09 | Dagmar | Fisker is actually the kind of troll I can appreciate. He doesn't take things too far. |
| 08:20.33 | Jamash | he's a troll with a top hat and a monocle |
| 08:20.34 | airtonix | like an belt done up one notch too far |
| 08:20.35 | Dagmar | Fisker: No idea |
| 08:20.45 | Fisker | i'm still not in the beta |
| 08:20.54 | Dagmar | airtonix: As opposed to say, ten or twelve notches too far |
| 08:21.12 | airtonix | well yes then it's bulimic |
| 08:21.31 | Dagmar | Fisker: Neither am I, but I can't really contribute anything that I couldln't contribute in the last couple of weeks of beta anyway, soo.. I can wait for release |
| 08:21.58 | Jamash | no real point in them inviting addon devs while addons are still all disabled :P |
| 08:23.41 | Dagmar | Something that _does_ suck is the lack of an X11-interfacable thermostat on the market |
| 08:24.01 | Dagmar | er pppft. X10-interfaceable, I mean. |
| 08:24.03 | Jamash | x11... thermostat...? |
| 08:24.12 | Jamash | okay good |
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| 08:24.33 | Fisker | you're saying not being in the beta doesn't suck? |
| 08:24.36 | Fisker | rages |
| 08:24.39 | Dagmar | Yeah... X11... push the wrong button and your house folds up and disappears like the House of Usher |
| 08:24.48 | Jamash | or castrovalva |
| 08:25.42 | Dagmar | If I had more free time (or if there were secretly three of me) I'd get a beagleboard with some 802.11 action |
| 08:26.14 | Dagmar | ...that and some bastard probably has a patent on it. |
| 08:26.20 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: ping |
| 08:26.54 | Dagmar | Hadda replace the batteries in my thermostat control earlier tonight and I was a bit upset to realize that *all* the batteries do is illuminate the backlight |
| 08:27.19 | Dagmar | I had the thing off the damn wall before I noticed the latch |
| 08:28.21 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 08:28.38 | jnwhiteh | hihi |
| 08:29.34 | Fisker | are you in the beta? |
| 08:30.37 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:31.21 | jnwhiteh | I've been playing Cata for a while now, yes |
| 08:31.39 | Fisker | .( |
| 08:31.44 | Fisker | see i just lost an eye |
| 08:32.25 | Fisker | The only thing i ever get from Blizzard are scam e-mails |
| 08:32.25 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:33.25 | Fisker | maybe i get the pet today from Ahune? |
| 08:33.41 | Fisker | unless i don't |
| 08:33.45 | Fisker | in which case i must hate you jnwhiteh |
| 08:33.53 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 08:35.23 | Fisker | you could always get me second prize |
| 08:36.50 | Fisker | i officially hate Blizzard's new RNG bags |
| 08:37.04 | Dagmar | Man you gotta relax and think it through |
| 08:37.17 | Fisker | naw Dagmar |
| 08:37.42 | Dagmar | There's piles and piles of pets... This one isn't particularly special, and one pet one way or another isn't really likely to keep you from an achievement that ultimately means very, very little |
| 08:37.57 | Fisker | i already have them |
| 08:38.08 | Dagmar | Frankly, I think the two Badges of Frost are a lot nicer to get, and they drop ALL the time (yay!) |
| 08:38.17 | Fisker | naw |
| 08:38.28 | Dagmar | My 78 warlock is 3/4 of the way to a level 80 epic. :) |
| 08:39.01 | Fisker | when you get level 80 you will understand my pain and suffering |
| 08:39.18 | Dagmar | I *am* a little irked that my 'lock hasn't gotten the scythe yet, but... he can make armor plated shotguns and Nesingwaries so... I can just buy something nice if I wanna |
| 08:39.39 | Dagmar | Fisker: The warlock will be my 3rd 80. If I cared he'd be 80 by Monday but I don't. |
| 08:42.07 | Fisker | i really need to beta right about now |
| 08:43.38 | Fisker | if only somehow i could steal jnwhiteh's identity |
| 08:43.44 | Fisker | perhaps by some kind of transferring of faces |
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| 08:45.59 | Dagmar | Fisker: That doesn't really work out in real life as well as it does in the movies. |
| 08:46.30 | Fisker | hmm |
| 08:46.43 | Fisker | i could always try though |
| 08:47.03 | DJJeff | anyone in here onLightbringer realm? |
| 08:47.05 | Dagmar | That woman that was in the news last year... She won't exactly inspire children to scream and the infirm to faint anymore, but her postal address now lists as Uncanny Valley to be sure. |
| 08:51.27 | Dagmar | Hmm... |
| 08:53.18 | Dagmar | I *do* wonder one thing about Cata tho... |
| 08:53.35 | Dagmar | I wonder if they'll maybe flag the binary so it can pass the 2Gb marker |
| 08:53.59 | zenzelezz | large address aware? |
| 08:54.04 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 08:54.08 | zenzelezz | I wish they'd make a 64-bit binary |
| 08:54.23 | Dagmar | I say this because I did this with Fallout 3 the other day, and it actually did something *useful* |
| 08:54.30 | Dagmar | I kinda didn't think it would |
| 08:55.05 | Dagmar | ...of course there I'm also loading third-party hiiiigh res texture mods and a bunch of other things which definitely make *it* push up against the 2gb mark |
| 08:55.47 | Dagmar | I figure it *might* make Dalaran stop eatin' mah frames up |
| 08:56.00 | Dagmar | I'm just not really interested in pissing off Warden to try it |
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| 09:05.00 | Fisker | bitches zenzelezz |
| 09:05.38 | Fisker | i heard making it Large Address Aware fixed the whole rendering issue you get after a while at certain camera angles |
| 09:16.38 | Warloco | has anyone had fps issues with the new VuhDo / Stuf? |
| 09:17.05 | zenzelezz | the new what? |
| 09:18.42 | Warloco | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11182-StufUnitFrames.html / http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/vuhdo.aspx |
| 09:22.41 | Warloco | how long should I expect it to take to make a full custom oUF layout- considering that it'd be my first |
| 09:22.59 | nevcairiel | depends on your experience |
| 09:23.02 | nevcairiel | do you know Lua? |
| 09:23.14 | Warloco | a bit |
| 09:23.20 | Warloco | made some very basic addons |
| 09:27.22 | Warloco | my current unit frames, that id roughly want to replicate |
| 09:27.22 | Warloco | http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5295/wowscrnshot052010203203.jpg |
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| 09:34.36 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 09:35.00 | Fisker | oh ok well be that way then :( |
| 09:56.32 | Xinhuan | Fisker, Large address aware it doesn't fix the problem, it just raises the memory limit wow can use from 2 gb to 3gb |
| 09:56.49 | Xinhuan | so you crash later |
| 09:57.30 | Fisker | then the issue has to be a memory leak of some sort |
| 09:57.36 | batrick | what's this large address aware shit |
| 09:59.33 | Fisker | your mom is large address aware shit |
| 09:59.39 | Fisker | otherwise she wouldn't have an address |
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| 10:25.34 | olafski | has anyone made an addon yet that just twitters your entire combat log? or most of it |
| 10:25.40 | olafski | and with twitters I mean that realID broadcast stuff |
| 10:26.00 | olafski | or maybe something that uses libfail or whatever it's called and announces failures |
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| 10:27.35 | Fisker | i believe so olafski |
| 10:34.19 | olafski | good |
| 10:34.25 | olafski | seems like a very useful feature |
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| 10:43.57 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
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| 10:53.32 | airtonix | fisker, did you just make a yo mama crack ? |
| 10:53.49 | Fisker | that was a long time ago |
| 10:53.52 | airtonix | s/make/attempt to/ |
| 10:54.02 | Fisker | too late airtonix |
| 10:54.11 | airtonix | fisker, never never say never |
| 10:56.11 | airtonix | i will stop you fisker. |
| 10:56.56 | Fisker | you won't |
| 10:57.13 | Dagmar | Hmm... Just Cause 2 on sale on Steam |
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| 10:57.35 | airtonix | isn't that grand theft auto clone ? |
| 10:57.43 | Dagmar | However, looking at these videos I *think* maybe I might just get the PS3 version. I'm not certain my PC is _quite_ that epic |
| 10:58.06 | Dagmar | airtonix: THe things I'm seeing people do on YouTube videos are just insane |
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| 10:58.34 | airtonix | not as insane as stopping fisker. |
| 10:58.45 | Dagmar | In GTA you could not, for example, take a little steamboat near a runway, and attach it to a Boeing with a grappling hook, and then RIDE the damn thing into the sky |
| 10:59.16 | Dagmar | People are just flying all over the place with the grappling hook and glider chute |
| 10:59.29 | Fisker | technically speaking you can't in JC2 either |
| 10:59.34 | Dagmar | Like, how many hours did you spend on Quake maps barely touching the ground |
| 11:00.03 | airtonix | "in" |
| 11:00.04 | Dagmar | Can't remember if it was Quake or Unreal that had a grappling hook |
| 11:00.27 | airtonix | wasn't quake |
| 11:00.41 | Dagmar | Must have been Unreal or Duke or something then |
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| 11:00.46 | Fisker | unrealy didn't have one either i think |
| 11:00.47 | airtonix | maybe is was unREAL |
| 11:00.49 | Fisker | unreal* |
| 11:00.58 | Fisker | but it had a translocator or whatever it was called |
| 11:00.58 | airtonix | stops fisker |
| 11:01.04 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 11:01.05 | Dagmar | I just remember binding the grapple to middle mouse button and spidering all over the maps |
| 11:01.17 | Osagasu | ...That's a good idea. |
| 11:01.25 | Fisker | i remember they made mods for that in Counter-Strike |
| 11:01.26 | Osagasu | The f button is way too awkward |
| 11:01.52 | Dagmar | It was whatever was out in '96-'97 or so |
| 11:02.52 | Dagmar | Luckily real physics have nothing to do with intersecting vertical surfaces in JC2 or this last video I was watching would have turned out a lot differently for this guy' |
| 11:03.28 | Dagmar | He sideswipes a few things that should have collapsed the chute and ended his run pretty quiclk |
| 11:04.01 | Fisker | sometimes law is awesome |
| 11:04.15 | Fisker | Someone got arrested, then someone else comitted a crime |
| 11:04.22 | Fisker | the guy who got arrested then ran over and stopped him |
| 11:04.32 | Fisker | And his reward is being charged with resisting arrest |
| 11:04.33 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 11:04.51 | Dagmar | That'll get dismissed |
| 11:04.53 | airtonix | fisker |
| 11:04.58 | airtonix | you can't do that |
| 11:05.16 | Kalroth | once a fisker |
| 11:05.18 | Fisker | why would it Dagmar ? |
| 11:05.32 | Fisker | not so hey Kalroth |
| 11:05.33 | Dagmar | because not all judges are assholes |
| 11:05.50 | airtonix | like judge judy |
| 11:05.55 | airtonix | [wall of lol] |
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| 11:10.17 | Fisker | beta me |
| 11:11.03 | mikma | lol lol lol |
| 11:13.40 | Fisker | i've exhausted my final lead mikma :( |
| 11:15.20 | Fisker | so now i must hate everyone with beta access |
| 11:20.11 | Moonwitch | comforts Fisker |
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| 11:26.54 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 11:31.56 | Fisker | ::( |
| 11:34.06 | Fisker | ::::::::::::::::::::( |
| 11:36.40 | Jamash | :(){ :|:& };: |
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| 11:38.48 | Moonwitch | well I still find the injections painful :( |
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| 11:42.24 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 11:44.32 | Fisker | wtf |
| 11:44.46 | Fisker | windows update just popped up with an update for my gtx 480 |
| 11:51.08 | Jamash | never install drivers via windows update |
| 11:51.50 | Fisker | i wouldn't |
| 11:52.12 | nevcairiel | since 7, windows update sends you unmodified vendor drivers |
| 11:52.18 | Jamash | nice |
| 11:52.47 | nevcairiel | I usually don't use it, because they are a bit slow on updating it (maybe a week behind), and i usually update before =P |
| 11:53.01 | Fisker | can't see what version it is |
| 11:53.19 | Fisker | can't imagine they're newer though |
| 11:53.47 | Jamash | where the hell is my tracking icon |
| 11:54.57 | Fisker | if you give me beta access i can tell you |
| 11:55.41 | Jamash | I'm not on the beta |
| 11:55.56 | Fisker | i didn't say you were |
| 11:56.06 | Jamash | I installed an addon to manage my minimap icons and it screwed them up and I uninstalled it and they're still screwed up :( |
| 11:57.04 | Moonwitch | hugs Cairenn |
| 11:57.10 | Cairenn | hugs Moonwitch |
| 11:57.30 | Fisker | tackles Cairenn and Moonwitch |
| 11:57.38 | Moonwitch | screams in pain |
| 11:57.39 | Cairenn | oofs and falls over |
| 11:58.17 | Moonwitch | you get up early Cairenn |
| 11:58.28 | Cairenn | the key is to not go to sleep |
| 11:58.38 | Cairenn | despite all your best efforts |
| 11:58.45 | Moonwitch | aww |
| 11:59.28 | Fisker | the key? |
| 11:59.31 | Fisker | i see saw what you did there |
| 11:59.39 | Fisker | you're taunting me! |
| 11:59.49 | Cairenn | smacks Fisker |
| 12:00.00 | Moonwitch | Cairenn: it sucks we don't play on the same continent, if we did, I could play with you |
| 12:00.30 | Cairenn | You can play with me any time Moonwitch *wiggles eyebrows* |
| 12:00.43 | Fisker | *print screen* |
| 12:01.31 | Moonwitch | gonna go test how bad 1.4 ouf is |
| 12:01.40 | Moonwitch | aka how much work i need to do to fix it |
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| 12:01.57 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 12:02.07 | Cairenn | don't stay sitting up for too long, Moonwitch |
| 12:02.47 | Fisker | i would've given away my 7 other sc2 keys for a cataclysm key :( |
| 12:06.00 | Moonwitch | yeah it's impossible for me to actually get anything done on a laptop with touchpad lol |
| 12:06.09 | Moonwitch | so I gotta relocate to my actual pc |
| 12:06.19 | Cairenn | don't push ... |
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| 12:20.35 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
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| 12:20.47 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
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| 12:43.21 | cbreak | cataclysm is very far from being done |
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| 12:56.22 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
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| 13:17.22 | Fisker | give me beta cbreak |
| 13:17.51 | cbreak | it's mine, MINE! |
| 13:18.33 | Fisker | i'm sweaty |
| 13:19.09 | mikma | is it just me, or is that getting really fucking annoying already |
| 13:19.28 | bluspacecow | sweaty fisker is annoying ? |
| 13:24.51 | Krapsy | mikma: we neeeeeeeeeed beta!!!!!! |
| 13:25.12 | Cairenn | geez mikma, I can't possibly see how someone doing something ludicrous like that over and over and over, even when they've been asked nicely to stop, is annoying .... :p |
| 13:25.22 | DWSR | Cairenn: Really? |
| 13:25.32 | Cairenn | DWSR: < sarcasm > |
| 13:25.41 | DWSR | Cairenn: <sarcasmtoo> |
| 13:25.54 | Cairenn | he knows exactly what I'm talking about :p |
| 13:25.56 | bluspacecow | <---- no clue what you guys are on about |
| 13:26.00 | bluspacecow | no surprise really |
| 13:26.11 | mikma | cairenn: watch me going nsfw |
| 13:26.28 | DWSR | grabs popcorn and hands Cairenn some. |
| 13:26.28 | mikma | atleast i don't tag my links every 45mins |
| 13:26.31 | Cairenn | mikma, don't make me go pissed-off-female on your ass |
| 13:26.44 | Cairenn | these truly aren't the days to test me :p |
| 13:26.46 | mikma | sounds superkinky, mind you |
| 13:26.50 | DWSR | ^ |
| 13:26.50 | Cairenn | lol |
| 13:26.51 | bluspacecow | this i would like to see |
| 13:27.05 | bluspacecow | *sits down in deck chair net to DWSR* |
| 13:27.57 | Cairenn | seriously, I would do just about anything for 24 hours of peace and quiet |
| 13:28.05 | DWSR | Cairenn: /exit, imo. |
| 13:28.14 | Cairenn | DWSR: not an option |
| 13:28.23 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.37 | Cairenn | or you guys could just be nice to me :p |
| 13:28.53 | Krapsy | stop giving her ideas! |
| 13:29.02 | DWSR | Cairenn: We're being helpful! |
| 13:29.07 | DWSR | imo. |
| 13:29.12 | Cairenn | >.< |
| 13:29.15 | DWSR | Just set an on text event to kick whoever posts. |
| 13:29.29 | DWSR | Hey, *kick*. |
| 13:30.00 | Fisker | hey |
| 13:30.08 | DWSR | *kick* |
| 13:30.24 | bluspacecow | PlaySoundFile is case sensitive |
| 13:30.25 | bluspacecow | ie |
| 13:30.26 | mikma | beta *kick* |
| 13:30.32 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.35 | bluspacecow | plays but |
| 13:30.58 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.06 | bluspacecow | does not .... i did not know that >_> |
| 13:33.02 | DWSR | bluspacecow: Lua function names are case sensitive. |
| 13:33.08 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 13:33.21 | bluspacecow | have noted it down somewhere |
| 13:34.44 | bluspacecow | "patch-2/World/maps/IcecrownCitadel/area_28_25.what" lolz funny name for a map file >_> |
| 13:34.53 | DWSR | ThisFunction is not the same as thisfunction. |
| 13:35.04 | DWSR | err. |
| 13:35.08 | DWSR | ThisFunction() rather |
| 13:35.24 | bluspacecow | *nod* *nod* |
| 13:35.26 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 13:35.30 | bluspacecow | tested it in game |
| 13:35.56 | Krapsy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaWO55B6B94 |
| 13:35.56 | Fisker | beta? |
| 13:36.06 | mikma | *kick* |
| 13:36.11 | bluspacecow | gamma ? |
| 13:36.18 | bluspacecow | no wait thats not right |
| 13:36.26 | bluspacecow | alpha , beta , __________ |
| 13:36.38 | Fisker | hey beta |
| 13:36.40 | bluspacecow | delta , episolon, gamma etc etc |
| 13:37.29 | foxlit | charlie? |
| 13:37.38 | nevcairiel | the greek alphabet doesnt work like ours |
| 13:37.44 | foxlit | But then again, that'd probably make it bravo and not beta |
| 13:37.46 | nevcairiel | it is alpha, beta, gamma, delta |
| 13:37.58 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 13:37.59 | bluspacecow | silly me |
| 13:38.01 | Krapsy | bravo |
| 13:38.10 | bluspacecow | i can see the wiki page now |
| 13:38.10 | Maldivia | αβγδε :) |
| 13:38.14 | zenzelezz | bravo is radio/military, not greek |
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| 13:38.23 | nevcairiel | so is charlie |
| 13:38.24 | nevcairiel | :p |
| 13:38.27 | foxlit | zenzelezz: I'm well aware that "charlie" is no letter :P |
| 13:38.39 | Krapsy | yeah zenzelezz |
| 13:38.40 | Maldivia | alpha, bravo, charlie, delta, echo, foxtrot, golf, hotel :P |
| 13:38.44 | Fisker | hello foxlit |
| 13:38.44 | bluspacecow | but is he a character ? |
| 13:38.46 | zenzelezz | foxlit: I was refering to Krapsy |
| 13:39.19 | nevcairiel | india, juliet, kilo, lima, mike, november! |
| 13:39.21 | Krapsy | zenzelezz: i know |
| 13:39.28 | foxlit | golf, really? |
| 13:39.40 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 13:39.41 | Cairenn | yes |
| 13:39.45 | bluspacecow | foxtrot ! |
| 13:39.54 | zenzelezz | india, juliet, kilo, lima, mike, november |
| 13:39.54 | bluspacecow | *dances with Cairenn* |
| 13:40.18 | foxlit | OPie Golf is going to sound odd. |
| 13:40.20 | Fisker | http://scottevest.posterous.com/more-sneak-peaks-at-new-scottevest-products <-wtf |
| 13:40.36 | Krapsy | whiskey tango foxtrot |
| 13:40.43 | zenzelezz | radio/military don't tend to be used for software versioning |
| 13:40.55 | Cairenn | oscar papa quebec romeo sierra tango uniform victor whiskey xray zulu |
| 13:41.50 | Fisker | no way Cairenn |
| 13:42.07 | Cairenn | wai |
| 13:42.14 | nevcairiel | people dont use anything other then alpha/beta anyway |
| 13:42.25 | Fisker | gamma |
| 13:42.26 | Fisker | ! |
| 13:42.28 | nevcairiel | but if you want to name your versions by nato alphabet, why not :d |
| 13:42.58 | bluspacecow | interesting |
| 13:43.13 | bluspacecow | there is ".don" and ".not" files in the MPQ files |
| 13:43.20 | bluspacecow | *.dan |
| 13:43.39 | Jamash | excess arthur fortify elephant cipher scientist embargo atrophy tuba |
| 13:44.06 | nevcairiel | waht now |
| 13:44.37 | Jamash | it's the bizarro radiotelephony alphabet |
| 13:47.18 | Fisker | .duh |
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| 13:48.07 | Maldivia | Cairenn: ægir ødis åse :P |
| 13:48.16 | Fisker | no Maldivia |
| 13:48.21 | Fisker | bad boy |
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| 13:48.29 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 13:49.14 | Krapsy | the fuck!!!!! i just got a dialog in firefox that says "Muzzeo - Khadgar eu is fucking pro, and you are a silly nigger" |
| 13:49.18 | amro | Cairenn: you forgot yankee |
| 13:49.20 | Krapsy | what the shit |
| 13:49.29 | Krapsy | i cant close it |
| 13:49.38 | Cairenn | so I did |
| 13:50.30 | zenzelezz | she didn't forget, it's just that no-one cares about yankees |
| 13:50.33 | amro | btw nevcairiel, it's alpha bravo |
| 13:50.54 | nevcairiel | I've never heard about people calling software "bravo" .. its always "beta" :P |
| 13:51.04 | Cairenn | amro: depends on which language you're talking about |
| 13:51.13 | amro | yeah, I mean radio codes |
| 13:51.17 | amro | b = bravo |
| 13:51.19 | Cairenn | greek, which is what nevcairiel was talking about, is beta |
| 13:51.40 | Cairenn | you missed part of the convo |
| 13:51.45 | amro | I should scroll up more often |
| 13:51.49 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 13:51.59 | nevcairiel | I've released a new bravo version of ### |
| 13:52.03 | Zasurus | Hi all |
| 13:52.04 | nevcairiel | peopl wouldnt get that |
| 13:52.05 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 13:52.09 | Cairenn | hi |
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| 13:52.19 | amro | yeah, ### doens't make any sense. |
| 13:52.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 13:52.38 | Kraps | someone is script "hacking" youtube? |
| 13:52.51 | Kraps | does that make sense? |
| 13:52.52 | Zasurus | Does anyone know how to pre-hook a function like "test1:testing(per1)" |
| 13:53.16 | DWSR | I've seen gamma releases, nevcairiel |
| 13:53.24 | DWSR | For auctioneer. |
| 13:53.34 | nevcairiel | auctioneer is just batshit crazy |
| 13:53.38 | nevcairiel | normal people call that RC |
| 13:53.50 | amro | Zasurus: oldtesting = test1.testing; test1.testing = function(self, a) blah; oldtesting(self,a); end |
| 13:54.10 | Zasurus | so replace the ":" with "." |
| 13:54.27 | amro | : is syntactic sugar for calling methods with the self argument |
| 13:54.32 | amro | it only makes sense if you call a function |
| 13:54.35 | nevcairiel | mmm sugar |
| 13:54.41 | DWSR | Gamma is better than rc as a label, Imo. |
| 13:54.45 | amro | test:testing() is the same as test.testing(test) |
| 13:55.03 | amro | but something like myfunc = test:testing; is a syntax error |
| 13:55.04 | Zasurus | Arr OK. I will try that! :) Thanks |
| 13:55.13 | Zasurus | Yer got that part! ;-) |
| 13:55.14 | Kraps | what the shit |
| 13:55.22 | ReAn | i f'ing love snipers, this movie just won me over :) |
| 13:55.25 | nevcairiel | release candidate is a descriptive name, everyone knows and understands it, while gamma is an arbitrary choice .. :d |
| 13:55.33 | ReAn | anyone seen "Shooter" before? |
| 13:55.36 | ReAn | (2007) ? |
| 13:55.54 | Kraps | ReAn: yes |
| 13:56.05 | amro | RC isn't really a testing stage |
| 13:56.15 | Zasurus | I could kiss you amro!!! IT WORKED! :-) |
| 13:56.15 | DWSR | ^ |
| 13:56.20 | ReAn | Kraps: did you like it? |
| 13:56.20 | nevcairiel | sure it is |
| 13:56.21 | Xinhuan | i wonder if there will be another day of steam offers in 3 hours |
| 13:56.24 | bluspacecow | @nev keeps up the mystery then |
| 13:56.26 | Zasurus | Thanks so much... been stuck on that several times |
| 13:56.28 | DWSR | ReAn: yes. |
| 13:56.34 | Kraps | ReAn: yeah it was good |
| 13:56.40 | amro | which is why using gamma instead of rc doesn't make sense IMO |
| 13:56.40 | DWSR | ^ |
| 13:56.58 | Zasurus | rc is a test stage for M$ ;-) |
| 13:56.58 | nevcairiel | RC means "hey we're done, test it, and if you don't find bugs, we'll release it .. if you do, we'll fix them" |
| 13:57.00 | amro | RC is a sanity check |
| 13:57.18 | amro | you don't do an RC unless you're done with all known bugs that you intend to fix for your release |
| 13:57.22 | Kraps | hey guys, the first comment here seemed to generate a dialog in firefox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7eswekHKks |
| 13:57.26 | nevcairiel | Sure |
| 13:57.31 | nevcairiel | but you still test your product |
| 13:57.37 | amro | yeah ofc |
| 13:57.40 | amro | it |
| 13:57.41 | Kraps | its not showing anymore though |
| 13:57.42 | amro | it's arguable |
| 13:57.47 | Cairenn | The answer is very easy guys ..... Norgs is Aussie ... they do things weird down there, hence gamma ;) |
| 13:58.07 | Kraps | i got it again |
| 13:58.17 | nevcairiel | RC is like .. we fixed everything we knew about, and implemented all features .. go nuts on it and confirm that it works, or find hidden bugs |
| 13:58.26 | nevcairiel | but it is a testing phase |
| 13:59.14 | nevcairiel | ideally, there would only be one RC, and that version would be renamed to release later |
| 13:59.19 | nevcairiel | but you know, ideal world and all that |
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| 13:59.53 | amro | I just find it silly when I see something like Release Candidate 7 |
| 14:00.13 | amro | if you have that many RCs you're doing something wrong |
| 14:00.17 | amro | or nobody bothered to test during beta |
| 14:00.17 | nevcairiel | Some people also still implemented new features in their RC cycle |
| 14:00.22 | amro | crazy! |
| 14:00.28 | DWSR | Microsoft. |
| 14:01.29 | Kraps | hey guys http://www.box.net/shared/ajr1n1qgxt |
| 14:02.13 | Cairenn | kraps, dear, with you going on and on about how you seem to be infected with something .... do you really think anyone is going to be clicking any links you put up? |
| 14:02.39 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:02.40 | Kraps | thats just a screenie :/ |
| 14:02.55 | Cairenn | regardless .... |
| 14:03.10 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.31 | Alram | Regarding YouTube, Google engaged safety mode, so it's safe to browse YT unless you engage comments |
| 14:03.41 | bluspacecow | lolz safety mode on youtube |
| 14:03.54 | Jamash | where's the fire in the exodar? |
| 14:04.15 | amro | northwest |
| 14:04.20 | Kraps | look at it, the first comment just says <script>, the guy's channel is muzz`1, similar to the name in the dialog |
| 14:04.21 | amro | in that topmost pizza slice |
| 14:04.24 | Jamash | thx |
| 14:04.35 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 14:04.40 | Fisker | how did youtube fuck that one up? |
| 14:04.54 | Kraps | the fuck should i know? |
| 14:04.56 | amro | you're surprised? |
| 14:04.59 | amro | youtube is full of fail |
| 14:05.10 | Kraps | never had that before |
| 14:05.21 | Fisker | ok amro |
| 14:05.27 | Fisker | how does anyone fuck that one up? |
| 14:05.54 | amro | I don't know, but the YT crew won't stop failing |
| 14:05.56 | Kraps | and safety mode in new to me, i saw it get activated automaticly |
| 14:06.01 | amro | it's only getting worse |
| 14:06.07 | amro | it was actually better a couple of years ago |
| 14:06.34 | Jamash | boo, died |
| 14:06.47 | amro | try orgrimmar |
| 14:07.01 | amro | silly placement |
| 14:07.35 | Jamash | horde cities are all "hey alliance come on in, we've set out a welcome mat" |
| 14:07.44 | Jamash | alliance cities are fortified |
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| 14:07.58 | nevcairiel | we know how to annoy hordies |
| 14:08.00 | amro | not entirely true |
| 14:08.07 | amro | you can get into horde cities, but you can't get out |
| 14:08.20 | A-KO | Jamash: I'm interested to see what happens now come Cataclysm with Garrosh being in the DEAD CENTER of Orgrimmar |
| 14:08.22 | Kraps | i'm just pissed off right now |
| 14:08.28 | A-KO | he's at the front door |
| 14:09.01 | amro | I stole all the flames on a level 65, and I escorted a level 5 to do the same |
| 14:09.04 | Jamash | alliance cities are also all deathtraps, for both horde and alliance |
| 14:09.10 | amro | only undercity is easy |
| 14:09.12 | Jamash | "oops, fell in the trench" |
| 14:09.18 | Jamash | "oops, fell in the canals" |
| 14:09.26 | A-KO | "I don't know where I'm going omg" |
| 14:09.27 | amro | I haven't falled in the trench or the canal in years |
| 14:09.33 | amro | ^ = horde city |
| 14:09.50 | A-KO | Orgrimmar's pretty nice in Cataclysm now though, but still needs far more work |
| 14:09.56 | A-KO | hopefully they add more guards to it |
| 14:09.57 | Jamash | "oops, fell down where the naaru is" |
| 14:10.01 | amro | the only symmetrical horde city is hopelessly confusing |
| 14:10.09 | A-KO | lol |
| 14:10.10 | A-KO | UC |
| 14:10.14 | amro | yeah |
| 14:10.19 | amro | I remember my first undead |
| 14:10.19 | nevcairiel | its the horde, they dont build symmetrical |
| 14:10.20 | Jamash | UC is fine now you can mount there |
| 14:10.21 | amro | it was horrible |
| 14:10.32 | nevcairiel | the only symmetrical city they have is in the sewers of an old alliance city |
| 14:10.40 | nevcairiel | go figure |
| 14:10.46 | Kraps | is Vashjir open? |
| 14:10.52 | Fisker | ironforge in alpha was awesome |
| 14:10.53 | A-KO | Jamash: Honestly, I really hope they would have dome something in Cataclysm like cut a huge hole in Lordaeron to expose UC |
| 14:10.56 | A-KO | so that you can fly into it |
| 14:11.17 | A-KO | rather than having to either take the back entrance, or walk/run in through the tunnels |
| 14:11.26 | Jamash | what was horrible was uc before city maps |
| 14:11.31 | A-KO | haha |
| 14:11.40 | A-KO | yeah |
| 14:11.41 | nevcairiel | maybe you can fly into the tunnel |
| 14:11.42 | A-KO | UC was...... |
| 14:11.55 | A-KO | nevcairiel :you can, but it's a right pain in the ass, as the tunnel is rather a distance from UC itself |
| 14:12.15 | A-KO | and it's very limited |
| 14:12.23 | A-KO | in every other city you'll be able to mount and fly right out |
| 14:12.27 | A-KO | UC you'll have to find that tunnel |
| 14:12.33 | nevcairiel | not every city has to be easily accessible .. alliance has 2 citys that are hidden in remote places :p |
| 14:12.34 | Kraps | how is the underwater stuff in Vashjir? |
| 14:12.42 | A-KO | Kraps: actually not too bad |
| 14:12.46 | A-KO | I could fire up xfire and stream it if you want |
| 14:12.54 | A-KO | it's....weird |
| 14:12.54 | A-KO | but works |
| 14:13.05 | A-KO | and works reasonably well |
| 14:13.18 | A-KO | essentially, when you're standing, you're "standing"--not swimming, when you're swimming, you're swimming. |
| 14:13.24 | A-KO | when you're on the ground, you're running, not swimming |
| 14:13.53 | Kraps | if you jump you start swimming? |
| 14:13.57 | A-KO | yes |
| 14:14.16 | amro | why do designers insist on adding water levels/areas |
| 14:14.18 | amro | it never works |
| 14:14.27 | A-KO | it's working in WoW |
| 14:14.28 | Kraps | yeah, i though it would be mario-ish |
| 14:14.31 | A-KO | I dunno, I had no problems with it |
| 14:14.37 | Cairenn | Worked fine in EQ |
| 14:14.42 | A-KO | it's just like questing for real |
| 14:14.50 | A-KO | except, underwater |
| 14:14.53 | amro | from the sounds of it, it's barely different |
| 14:14.56 | amro | so it doesn't count |
| 14:15.02 | A-KO | lol |
| 14:15.09 | amro | but look at water areas in wow now |
| 14:15.09 | A-KO | well it can't be too annoying otherwise people would hate it |
| 14:15.10 | nevcairiel | but you can fly |
| 14:15.12 | amro | or in any damn game |
| 14:15.14 | A-KO | so the conservative approach is good |
| 14:15.23 | amro | nobody ASKS for water levels |
| 14:15.33 | A-KO | amro: Actually, lore nerds in WoW have :P |
| 14:15.41 | Kraps | orly? |
| 14:15.41 | amro | ever since SMB1 I've hated the sight of water in games |
| 14:15.42 | A-KO | because WoW has a rather significant bit of lore all underwater |
| 14:15.51 | amro | naga aren't significant |
| 14:15.55 | amro | nobody likes them, and they smell |
| 14:15.55 | A-KO | uuuuhm |
| 14:15.57 | A-KO | yeah they are |
| 14:16.02 | amro | but they smell |
| 14:16.08 | Kraps | umad? |
| 14:16.14 | A-KO | Queen Azshara is one of the most significant players in Warcraft lore, lol |
| 14:16.47 | amro | so? that doesn't mean we'd want water |
| 14:17.04 | Jamash | neptulon! |
| 14:17.14 | amro | naga came from the seafloor, I don't recall anything exciting actually happening on the seafloor |
| 14:17.14 | Kraps | dont hate it until you've seen it |
| 14:18.21 | amro | like I said, it doesn't sound any different from running around normally so it doesn't count. I'm talking about the rest of the water |
| 14:19.23 | A-KO | http://www.xfire.com/live_video/magamiako/ |
| 14:20.38 | Kraps | huh a naga |
| 14:21.54 | Kraps | framerate issues? |
| 14:23.13 | A-KO | lol |
| 14:23.16 | A-KO | broadcasting 1920x1080 |
| 14:23.17 | A-KO | kinda slow |
| 14:23.18 | A-KO | :P |
| 14:23.21 | Kraps | A-KO: is it still the same swim speed? |
| 14:23.51 | Kraps | coral reef |
| 14:23.58 | Kraps | sweet |
| 14:26.00 | A-KO | that thing looks like a giant old god |
| 14:27.26 | A-KO | I haven't really explored here much |
| 14:28.05 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 14:28.23 | Kraps | not so hey Fisker |
| 14:30.01 | A-KO | wtb underwater mount |
| 14:32.01 | Fisker | not so hey Krapsp |
| 14:32.03 | Fisker | Krapsp |
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| 14:33.18 | Kraps | the shark is sapped? :/ |
| 14:33.36 | A-KO | guess so |
| 14:34.25 | Kraps | will there be underwater mounts? travel will be very tedious otherwise |
| 14:34.56 | nevcairiel | i think there will |
| 14:35.46 | Jamash | you'll have to fish one up in northrend |
| 14:36.02 | A-KO | dude look at the size of those tentacles |
| 14:36.03 | A-KO | lol |
| 14:36.40 | Kraps | Thunder_Child |
| 14:39.09 | A-KO | they need mounts that can go from swimming to flying |
| 14:39.11 | A-KO | :P |
| 14:40.08 | Jamash | such as...? |
| 14:40.37 | A-KO | I dunno |
| 14:40.46 | amro | nuclear submarines equipped with ICBMs |
| 14:40.48 | A-KO | so I can just fly out and dive into the water |
| 14:40.56 | A-KO | or swim up and jump out to the top |
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| 14:41.18 | A-KO | tell you what |
| 14:41.22 | A-KO | that's a rather large underwater area |
| 14:41.28 | A-KO | and isn't Deepholm supposed to be the largest zone? |
| 14:41.29 | A-KO | lol |
| 14:41.42 | Krapsy | i can see that from the map |
| 14:41.49 | Krapsy | was that 3 map sections? |
| 14:42.18 | Krapsy | where in azeroth is that area? |
| 14:42.32 | A-KO | it's just west of dun morogh |
| 14:42.33 | A-KO | it seems |
| 14:42.47 | A-KO | seems to be 3 underwater zones |
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| 14:43.33 | Flowy | hello |
| 14:43.52 | Flowy | do anyone known about addon that provides partypet cast bar? |
| 14:43.59 | Flowy | plugin for quartz or something |
| 14:44.24 | Thunder_Child | Krapsy? |
| 14:44.48 | Krapsy | nvm TC |
| 14:44.51 | Jamash | shadowed unit frames does it, flowy |
| 14:44.59 | Flowy | ok thanks |
| 14:46.58 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/because-insurance-is-such-a-scream/1 |
| 14:47.21 | A-KO | wow |
| 14:47.27 | A-KO | doesn't even look like deepholm is in the game yet :P |
| 14:47.28 | Fisker | can addons accept invites for you without your knowledge etc? |
| 14:47.56 | Shirik | I believe so; I don't think that requires a hardware event |
| 14:50.31 | amro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.08 | A-KO | amro: yeah, it was--for a time being |
| 14:52.13 | A-KO | but the actual zone isn't there in the world map yet |
| 14:52.21 | amro | silly blizzard |
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| 14:55.03 | Kraps | A-KO: the real important question is, are the character models improved? |
| 14:55.28 | Thunder_Child | thats the important question? |
| 14:55.33 | Kraps | yes |
| 14:55.39 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 14:55.59 | Kraps | dont "..." me |
| 14:56.15 | Thunder_Child | ...'s Kraps |
| 14:56.21 | Kraps | nooooo |
| 14:56.32 | Flowy | Fisker my friend uses addon "follow fenkator" (or something) ... it accepts ressurect invite and do emotes/follow on whisp |
| 14:57.07 | Kraps | is currently listening to Theory of a Deadman - Say Goodbye |
| 14:57.35 | Thunder_Child | that was payback wasnt it Kraps |
| 14:57.51 | Kraps | nods at Thunder_Child |
| 14:58.05 | Flowy | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/follow-felankor.aspx |
| 14:58.06 | Thunder_Child | fair enough |
| 14:58.24 | Kraps | it goes together with... |
| 14:58.27 | Kraps | is currently listening to Theory of a Deadman - Bad Girlfriend |
| 14:59.21 | Thunder_Child | is currently listening to DARPA - How to kill someone over the internet |
| 14:59.35 | Kraps | oh shi- |
| 14:59.56 | amro | I wouldn't be surprised if DARPA is researching how to kill people over the internet |
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| 15:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | woo |
| 15:02.25 | ScytheBlade1 | work called :/ |
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| 15:03.26 | Krapsy | come on |
| 15:09.12 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: thats why you dont answer the phone on the weekends |
| 15:09.24 | Thunder_Child | or at least screen it |
| 15:09.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: oh I knew it was my manager |
| 15:09.59 | Zasurus | Thanks again amro got it working now. :-) |
| 15:10.34 | amro | ~pil |
| 15:10.35 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 15:10.38 | amro | Zasurus: ^ |
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| 15:23.15 | tem | ~laziness |
| 15:23.16 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 15:23.19 | tem | ~impatience |
| 15:23.19 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 15:23.22 | tem | ~hubris |
| 15:23.23 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 15:23.27 | tem | ~fear of complexity |
| 15:23.28 | purl | FEAR OF COMPLEXITY: That which causes you to implement as little as possible, as simplicity is easier to fix. As well, that which prevents feature creep due to the environmental damage it causes. Hence, the fourth great virtue of a programmer. |
| 15:26.15 | Shirik | so seriously |
| 15:26.18 | Shirik | do we have a horde guild? |
| 15:28.19 | Thunder_Child | whats this horde you speak of? |
| 15:29.01 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: it's not on the forums |
| 15:29.06 | A-KO | hmm |
| 15:29.15 | A-KO | this coming friday, quest for the best cheesesteak in Baltimore |
| 15:29.57 | Thunder_Child | mmmmm |
| 15:30.02 | Shirik | :/ |
| 15:30.08 | Shirik | I agree it is not on the forums |
| 15:30.21 | Thunder_Child | best one i have had here in LA is 'the great steak and potato company' |
| 15:31.04 | A-KO | yeah those are good Thunder_Child |
| 15:31.22 | A-KO | Thunder_Child: the past 2 Fridays at work were finding the best cheeseburger, and there are 2 really good burger joints in Baltimore |
| 15:31.27 | A-KO | this week I'm gonna find the cheesesteak :P |
| 15:31.40 | A-KO | so far got a couple of contenders I'll have to check out |
| 15:31.51 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:31.53 | Fisker | beta? |
| 15:32.12 | Shirik | yes beta! |
| 15:32.14 | Shirik | I am in it right now |
| 15:32.28 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=162156&p=2170553 |
| 15:33.05 | A-KO | nice Shirik |
| 15:33.07 | A-KO | which realm you on? |
| 15:33.33 | Shirik | us pve |
| 15:33.42 | A-KO | oh |
| 15:33.45 | A-KO | I'm on the pvp realm :( |
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| 15:33.59 | Kraps | pvp realm ftl |
| 15:34.08 | erikd | pve realm ftl |
| 15:34.23 | Kraps | nou |
| 15:34.32 | Fisker | oh my god |
| 15:34.32 | erikd | NOU |
| 15:34.36 | Fisker | addons can get my real name |
| 15:34.39 | Fisker | MY REAL NAAAAMEEEEEEEE |
| 15:36.31 | Kraps | the wow movie needs to be Lord of the Clans |
| 15:36.44 | Fisker | only if they use the same artist |
| 15:36.51 | Fisker | and it's warcraft not wow btw |
| 15:36.53 | A-KO | the wow movie probably won't ever happen since next to nobody can make a decent game to movie conversion |
| 15:36.57 | Fisker | WARCRAFT |
| 15:37.26 | Kraps | A-KO: that hasnt stopped people from trying |
| 15:38.00 | Kraps | Fisker: wow has less letters than warcraft so stfu |
| 15:38.19 | Fisker | wc has less letter than wow so stfu |
| 15:38.26 | Kraps | :( |
| 15:38.29 | A-KO | shit |
| 15:38.31 | Fisker | good. |
| 15:38.33 | A-KO | now tht I'm thinking about cheesesteaks |
| 15:38.34 | A-KO | I want one |
| 15:38.44 | foxlit | "Fisker: wc has less letter than wow so stfu" << wc is also a toilet. |
| 15:38.44 | Fisker | btw |
| 15:38.53 | Kraps | lol foxlit |
| 15:38.53 | Fisker | only in fucked up places |
| 15:38.55 | Fisker | such as denmark |
| 15:39.14 | Fisker | btw |
| 15:39.19 | Fisker | omg an addon can access my real name |
| 15:39.32 | foxlit | omg it knows where you live |
| 15:39.42 | Fisker | omg |
| 15:40.08 | Kraps | a guildy blaming blizz for his gametime running out and banks arent open |
| 15:40.23 | nevcairiel | what a moron |
| 15:40.30 | Fisker | why does the bank have to be open? |
| 15:40.45 | nevcairiel | if you use gamecards, just have a spare around at all times |
| 15:41.31 | Kraps | Fisker: i dont know how it is in denmark, but most people put money in banks |
| 15:42.09 | foxlit | It's just that in denmark, you don't need the bank to be open to get it back out. |
| 15:42.19 | Fisker | DING DING DING |
| 15:42.48 | Fisker | must be a new foreign concept to people outside of Denmark |
| 15:42.54 | Fisker | withdraw money on a sunday? MADNESS |
| 15:43.44 | foxlit | Fisker: you'd have different problems in Denmark on a sunday, though -- nothing selling gamecards is open. |
| 15:44.01 | Fisker | first sunday of the month foxlit |
| 15:44.01 | Cide | I don't get why everything is closed on sundays |
| 15:44.05 | Cide | same thing in norway |
| 15:44.09 | Cide | bad idea is bad |
| 15:44.09 | Fisker | also i could just buy it online |
| 15:44.12 | Fisker | laws Cide |
| 15:44.13 | foxlit | Drat, foiled by one day out of four. |
| 15:44.25 | Fisker | It's to keep the big supermarket chains to fuck up the small ones |
| 15:44.34 | Fisker | atleast in Demark |
| 15:44.36 | Fisker | Denmark* |
| 15:44.44 | Cide | no idea how that is a reasonable conclusion |
| 15:44.56 | Cide | or why it might be |
| 15:45.00 | Cide | or anything |
| 15:45.12 | Kraps | this guy has the right idea about closed stores http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHIZ2Jl2vuQ |
| 15:45.15 | Fisker | Because customers are forced to use the local supermarket rather than a bigger supermarket |
| 15:45.26 | Cide | why? |
| 15:45.36 | Cide | I thought all the supermarkets were closed |
| 15:45.40 | Fisker | nope |
| 15:45.44 | Fisker | not in denmark anyway |
| 15:45.47 | Cide | ah |
| 15:45.49 | foxlit | there's a cap on the amount of money you're allowed to earn or something. |
| 15:45.49 | Cide | they are in norway |
| 15:45.54 | Fisker | yeah |
| 15:46.51 | Fisker | to be honest i don't see the idea in going to the big supermarkets anyway |
| 15:47.07 | Cide | cheaper |
| 15:47.24 | Fisker | doubtful considering all the other costs |
| 15:47.44 | Fisker | in which case you'll probably have to buy for a week at a time, in which case the whole "closed on sundays"-rule make no sense |
| 15:48.29 | Cide | that's what I said |
| 15:49.01 | Fisker | i guess it's more of a fucked up thing for me |
| 15:49.08 | Kraps | you cant keep the toronto public down |
| 15:49.32 | Fisker | the closest "big" supermarket is like 20(30ish km) miles away and the local supermarket is less than 500m away :P |
| 15:50.46 | Kraps | Fisker: it that your dad? |
| 15:51.22 | Fisker | i'm your dad |
| 15:51.35 | Fisker | and i'm abusing you |
| 15:51.37 | Fisker | sexually |
| 15:52.23 | Fisker | btw Kraps |
| 15:52.27 | Fisker | you're on my to-do list |
| 15:52.28 | Fisker | GET IT? |
| 15:52.58 | Kraps | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/demotivational-posters-the-truth.jpg |
| 15:53.00 | foxlit | Fisker: the closest closed-on-sundays supermarket is ~1km away. |
| 15:53.28 | Fisker | snap Kraps |
| 15:53.43 | Kraps | apple sucks |
| 15:54.44 | Fisker | i like how Epic is like "man we're still totally down with the PC, look at this game Bulletstorm, which we're not creating but just kinda helping along with the developement cost, it's totally on the PC, and now look at this game we're actually making like Gears of War 3, and that's totally not on the PC" |
| 15:54.56 | Fisker | developemtn time* |
| 15:55.00 | Fisker | developement* |
| 15:59.29 | Kraps | cool http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/129209401252130732.jpg |
| 16:02.01 | Fisker | i can make soundwaves with my butt Kraps |
| 16:02.22 | Zasurus | As the answer I got to my last question showed me I didn't userstand the difference between "." and ":" in a function name like: "name1.name2:functionName()" can someone explain or point me somewhere that does explain it? I have been reading though "www.lua.org/pil" but can't find anything related to using ":" :-( |
| 16:03.00 | cbreak | ab.cd is the same as ab["cd"] |
| 16:03.16 | cbreak | ab:cd() is the same as ab.cd(ab) |
| 16:03.21 | cbreak | more or less |
| 16:03.40 | tem | wtf is up with the guy yelling at the locked door? |
| 16:03.47 | tem | why is it locked with people inside? |
| 16:03.59 | cbreak | "Open Sesame!" |
| 16:04.31 | Kraps | tem: exactly, WHY? |
| 16:04.44 | tem | I don't get it |
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| 16:05.32 | Zasurus | Right I understand the ab.cd one but not the ab:cd()... what is this called? So I can search for it. :-) |
| 16:05.33 | Kraps | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/funny-facebook-starcraft-we.png |
| 16:06.09 | cbreak | Zasurus: it's like in the example I gave you |
| 16:06.21 | cbreak | : is used in object oriented style |
| 16:06.31 | cbreak | but it's syntactic sugar, so not needed |
| 16:08.43 | Zasurus | OK thanks. |
| 16:09.30 | Thunder_Child | is syntactic sugar |
| 16:13.50 | Cide | object:foo(a, b, c) is equivalent to object.foo(object, a, b, c) |
| 16:14.43 | olafski | kraps: haha @ that the truth poster |
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| 16:22.30 | Kraps | olafski: i dont care if apple lives or dies but if you're gonna be snooty and cant get your shit together then stfu |
| 16:22.41 | Kraps | @apple |
| 16:23.44 | olafski | :) |
| 16:24.12 | olafski | I don't really care either, they're just a company.. but most of the users I encounter.. yikes |
| 16:24.19 | olafski | then again I guess it's the most vocal ones that you hear about |
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| 16:39.20 | Kraps | are these in cata http://static.wowhead.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/156582.jpg http://static.wowhead.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/156585.jpg |
| 16:40.22 | Shirik | I don't even have a guild tab |
| 16:40.35 | Shirik | maybe that's what it's supposed to look like |
| 16:40.40 | Shirik | but right now I can't even see who's on |
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| 16:42.58 | amro | l2/who |
| 16:43.28 | Shirik | that's what I do |
| 16:43.36 | Shirik | also, interesting: Go is losing popularity |
| 16:43.46 | Shirik | glad that's happening, though not sure why |
| 16:44.02 | Kraps | go? |
| 16:44.29 | foxlit | language |
| 16:44.30 | Maldivia | Kraps: one things is what the artists draw, another thing is what the UI people implement :P |
| 16:44.34 | foxlit | how do you know that it is, though? |
| 16:44.48 | cbreak | go survived thousands of years |
| 16:44.59 | cbreak | it will continue to survive |
| 16:45.02 | Shirik | foxlit: TIOBE |
| 16:45.08 | Shirik | http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html |
| 16:45.35 | foxlit | "we did some google searches, mon!" |
| 16:45.39 | amro | why is PHP so far up on the list :( |
| 16:46.08 | Shirik | because it's used everywhere |
| 16:46.11 | foxlit | because everyone and their mother are running a LAMP stack |
| 16:46.12 | Shirik | despite how bad it is, people still usei t |
| 16:46.26 | Shirik | because, in all honesty |
| 16:46.32 | Shirik | I consider PHP the best web development language right now |
| 16:46.32 | mitchnull | shirik: python is also downhill :) |
| 16:46.37 | Shirik | that doesn't make it good, but it is the best |
| 16:46.44 | foxlit | +protip: if your language is awesome, you won't get a lot of threads saying "how do I do X in this language?" |
| 16:46.48 | amro | ~failrik |
| 16:46.49 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 16:46.52 | mitchnull | shirik: don't get me started on php... |
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| 16:47.06 | amro | PHP is horrible for everything |
| 16:47.08 | Shirik | !g if programming languages were boats |
| 16:47.09 | batbot | Shirik: If a programming language was a boat⦠| CompSci.ca/blog <http://compsci.ca/blog/if-a-programming-language-was-a-boat/> |
| 16:47.20 | amro | just because it takes 12 seconds to setup doesn't make it 'the best' |
| 16:48.01 | Maldivia | Cairenn ? |
| 16:48.10 | Cairenn | ? |
| 16:48.34 | Maldivia | Cairenn: was just looking through the new cata guild UI code, and stumble over this line: |
| 16:48.38 | Maldivia | http://github.com/Nevcairiel/wow-ui-source/blob/cataclysm/AddOns/Blizzard_GuildUI/Blizzard_GuildNews.lua#L35 |
| 16:49.04 | Maldivia | local _GuildNames = { "Alpha", "Bravo", "Charlie", "Delta", "Echo", "Foxtrot", "Golf", "Hotel", "India", "Juliet", "Kilo", "Lima", "Mike", "November", "Oscar", "Papa", "Quebec", "Romeo", "Sierra", "Tango", "Uniform", "Victor", "Whisky", "Xray", "Yankee", "Zulu" } |
| 16:49.05 | nevcairiel | fake guild names haha |
| 16:49.12 | Odlaw | heh |
| 16:49.14 | Cairenn | chuckle |
| 16:49.19 | foxlit | player names, by the look of it |
| 16:49.34 | nevcairiel | oh yeah, its used as player names |
| 16:50.36 | Cide | it showcases ruby and not python |
| 16:50.38 | Cide | heresy |
| 16:51.04 | amro | Cide: ? |
| 16:51.04 | Shirik | python would be an aircraft carrier |
| 16:51.16 | Shirik | a series of __________ tied into something functional |
| 16:51.17 | Cide | containing lots of boats |
| 16:51.22 | Cide | and flying |
| 16:51.25 | Cide | with rockets |
| 16:51.43 | Kraps | .Net is undoubtedly a flotilla of mid-size ships in various states of dis-repair, with no one boat leading the others. At random intervals new boats, partially complete, will be added to the flotilla â but as these ships do the same as some of the other ships â nobody will bother to finish them. Sometimes, some of these ships sink never to be seen again, but nobody really notices. |
| 16:51.44 | Cide | an aircraft carrying boats, not a boat carrying an aircraft |
| 16:52.40 | Cide | someone suggested |
| 16:52.41 | Cide | Python is a Tall Ship ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/USCG_Eagle.jpg ). |
| 16:52.41 | Cide | Undeniably beautiful and elegant in the water, tends to be solid and reliable. Will work with little intervention, but also provides sails to help you go that little bit faster. |
| 16:53.32 | Cide | Python is a seaplane. You can fly above problems, swoop down to reach goals. You might need to link up with a submarine for traveling through rough waters. |
| 16:53.34 | amro | if only python itself was gonig anywhere |
| 16:54.06 | Cide | you lie |
| 16:54.10 | Cide | python is awesome |
| 16:54.15 | amro | I read all the py3k notes |
| 16:54.22 | amro | honestly, I've seen more exciting lua minor patches |
| 16:54.27 | Cide | r o f l? |
| 16:54.48 | mitchnull | cide: is python threads usable at all nowadays? |
| 16:54.49 | amro | why are they slacking on adding anonymous closures? |
| 16:55.00 | Kraps | BASIC is definitely a rowing boat then. Doesnât do anything fancy and doesnât go anywhere in a hurry, but is a tried and tested design that still floats after all these years. |
| 16:55.03 | Cide | they deem it unnecessary I guess? |
| 16:55.10 | Shirik | even C++ is adding anonymous closures |
| 16:55.21 | Cide | python has them also but a very limited form |
| 16:55.28 | mitchnull | obviously c++ is the bestest language ;) |
| 16:55.34 | amro | that form might as well not exist Cide |
| 16:55.37 | amro | it's an insult |
| 16:55.42 | Cide | arguably |
| 16:55.51 | Cide | but it's not really necessary to have anonymous functions |
| 16:55.55 | amro | all of python's functional features are available to C |
| 16:55.58 | Cide | the functions themselves are first-class anyway |
| 16:56.04 | foxlit | No festival pet for me :/ |
| 16:56.06 | Cide | they just require a name |
| 16:56.07 | Cide | big deal |
| 16:56.13 | amro | yes, it is a big del |
| 16:56.15 | amro | +a |
| 16:56.17 | Cide | no :) |
| 16:56.32 | amro | I could start listing current python features that you can do without |
| 16:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got one that it could do without |
| 16:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | >300 bytes for an object |
| 16:56.52 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 16:57.09 | ScytheBlade1 | 24 bytes for an int |
| 16:57.10 | Cide | def get_anonymous_function(arglist, code): return eval("def f(%s):\n%s\n\nreturn f" % (arglist, code)) |
| 16:57.10 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 16:57.23 | amro | really? you want to maintain that? |
| 16:57.26 | amro | might as well use perlk |
| 16:57.28 | amro | -k |
| 16:57.30 | Cide | maintain? |
| 16:57.36 | Cide | nothing to maintain! |
| 16:57.59 | Cide | anyway |
| 16:58.02 | amro | yeah, you're basically putting your code in a string |
| 16:58.05 | Cide | why do you need functions without a name anyway? |
| 16:58.09 | amro | there goes all tool support |
| 16:58.34 | mitchnull | why do you need indentation to dictate semantics?! |
| 16:58.45 | Cide | why do you need braces to dictate semantics?! |
| 16:58.50 | mitchnull | ^ that's the biggest fail of python |
| 16:58.56 | Cide | ^ that's the biggest fail of all other languages |
| 16:58.57 | amro | so I can do my_array.select {|a| someCondition }.take_while {|a| someOtherCondition}.each {|a| do stuff} |
| 16:59.04 | amro | cleaner, more concise, easy to read |
| 16:59.09 | Cide | hardly |
| 16:59.13 | mitchnull | cide: you obviously need something, but whitespace is NOT a good way to do it |
| 16:59.17 | amro | you're not used to functional programming |
| 16:59.18 | Cide | yes it is |
| 16:59.20 | Kraps | Visual Basic is a freightliner carrying a unicycle. |
| 16:59.25 | Cide | amro: yes I am |
| 16:59.32 | amro | lies |
| 16:59.41 | mitchnull | cide: is not :P |
| 16:59.44 | amro | you can't be used to functional programming and not see the need for anonymous closures |
| 16:59.49 | Cide | you can use filter and map and get 90% of that |
| 16:59.56 | Cide | I can see them being USEFUL |
| 16:59.59 | Cide | I use them in lua a lot |
| 17:00.12 | amro | list comprehensions don't work on arbitrary containers |
| 17:00.20 | Cide | and all that stuff you can use lambdas for |
| 17:00.36 | amro | just because I gave a trivial example where you can use lambdas doens't mean they actually work |
| 17:00.43 | Cide | what you can't use lambdas for are usually anonymous functions in a lookup dict |
| 17:00.47 | Cide | yes they do |
| 17:00.48 | Kraps | Lua is a pair of Waterskis. Alone, pretty useless, and wonât really hold you up well, but when attached to a boat it becomes awesome |
| 17:01.23 | Cide | map(take_while(filter(my_array, lambda a: someCondition(a)), lambda a: someOtherCondition(a)), lambda a: doStuff(a)) |
| 17:01.42 | amro | that requires me to predefine all those conditions |
| 17:01.54 | amro | which makes the code cluttered and more difficult to red |
| 17:01.56 | amro | +a |
| 17:01.56 | Cide | only if you can't express them with already existing blocks |
| 17:02.04 | Cide | which you usually can |
| 17:02.11 | amro | usually doesn't cut it |
| 17:02.19 | Cide | give me an example where it doesn't |
| 17:02.22 | Kraps | http://smokinn.com/blog/post/146 |
| 17:02.23 | amro | I can usually do fine without a bytes type |
| 17:02.27 | amro | but they still added that |
| 17:02.30 | amro | and it's not a bad idea either |
| 17:02.37 | Cide | anyway |
| 17:02.46 | Cide | I agree that python should totally have anonymous proper functions |
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| 17:03.00 | Cide | but it's not a huge detriment |
| 17:03.11 | Cide | annoying, sure |
| 17:03.15 | amro | all I said was that, based on py3k, it doesn't look like python is going anywhere |
| 17:03.24 | Cide | python 3k has lots of good changes |
| 17:03.32 | Cide | proper unicode strings finally |
| 17:03.32 | amro | yes, but mostly minor |
| 17:03.38 | amro | it's python 2.7 for all I care |
| 17:03.46 | Cide | python 2.7 is py3k but for 2.x |
| 17:03.51 | Cide | that's the whole point more or less |
| 17:03.56 | Cide | without the backwards compatibility breaking |
| 17:04.15 | amro | 3.0 breaks but doesn't really add a lot of stuff imo |
| 17:04.23 | amro | it's just lots of shit that was deprecated for a while now getting removed |
| 17:04.27 | Kraps | Hungary: Haskell - Because no one understands hungarian. |
| 17:04.27 | amro | some neat new tricks |
| 17:04.29 | amro | and that's about it |
| 17:04.39 | Kraps | USA: Java - What other country has such a large bureaucracy with such a huge number of loopholes and inconsistencies? |
| 17:04.42 | amro | it's not going to change the way I write python code or design python apps |
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| 17:05.05 | Cide | and why do you expect that from a language release? |
| 17:05.09 | Cide | it's almost perfect as it is |
| 17:05.24 | Cide | why try and add revolutionary changes when it's great as it is? |
| 17:05.29 | amro | because python is far from perfect |
| 17:05.38 | Cide | can you even think of a major, good change besides anonymous functions? |
| 17:05.45 | Cide | I'll give you 5 min |
| 17:06.02 | amro | proper mt support |
| 17:06.12 | Cide | mt? |
| 17:06.13 | amro | granted, it's not really available in most languages |
| 17:06.15 | Cide | multi-thread |
| 17:06.16 | amro | multithreading |
| 17:06.21 | erikd | semicolons and non whitespace dependant syntax! :P |
| 17:06.29 | Cide | does any language have "proper"? |
| 17:06.35 | Cide | seems like it's a bitch any way you cut it |
| 17:06.45 | Cide | except for pure functional languages |
| 17:06.48 | amro | cut it out, I'm not criticizing the language |
| 17:06.50 | Cide | which there are like 0.5 of |
| 17:06.53 | ScytheBlade1 | the difference is that python doesn't even try |
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| 17:06.58 | amro | I'm just saying I expected more improvements |
| 17:07.04 | amro | python was my language of choice |
| 17:07.07 | Cide | and then you compared it to lua |
| 17:07.09 | amro | I wanted it to remain my language of choice |
| 17:07.10 | Cide | that's a good joke |
| 17:07.18 | amro | that was a joke, literally |
| 17:07.41 | erikd | changing the subject... vim or emacs? |
| 17:07.50 | Cide | oh, well good then |
| 17:08.12 | Cide | I've been sticking with 2.6 anyway so not really up to speed with py3k |
| 17:08.13 | amro | point is, if python is to remain relevant in 5, 10 years, it'll need more than that |
| 17:08.21 | Cide | I disagree |
| 17:08.31 | Cide | I don't see any other language implementing huge widespread changes |
| 17:08.38 | Cide | c++0x is up next |
| 17:08.47 | Cide | and that's been like 10 years overdue |
| 17:08.57 | nevcairiel | yeah, we're at 1x now :P |
| 17:08.58 | amro | so just because other languages are stagnating, python should too? :P |
| 17:09.21 | Cide | no, but since other languages are keeping the same pace I doubt python will fall down in relevance |
| 17:09.33 | Cide | or slower* |
| 17:09.45 | Cide | of course it would be even better if it kept a higher pace |
| 17:09.52 | Cide | there are definitely worthwhile additions to be made |
| 17:10.06 | foxlit | Hm, someone should make an addon to fix glowing chat tabs |
| 17:10.09 | amro | not many other languages have recently gone through a backwards-compat breaking release |
| 17:10.31 | Cide | I guess that means the other languages are stagnating ;) |
| 17:10.48 | foxlit | [If you display the same chat type in multiple tabs, they all light up and don't back down until you visit them all. It's a bit cheap.] |
| 17:11.38 | Zasurus | Is it posible to load a data file from an addon on demand (for example a load of data only needed when updating a db to a newer version)? |
| 17:11.51 | amro | Cide: my point is if a backwards-compat breaking major release changes small things, when are they ever going to make big changes? |
| 17:12.05 | Cide | shrug |
| 17:12.23 | Cide | most changes can be introduced in a mostly backwards-compatible way |
| 17:12.30 | Kraps | haha the new games are on sale http://store.steampowered.com/ |
| 17:12.30 | Cide | any time you add a new keyword for example |
| 17:12.40 | Cide | that's technically backwards-incompatible |
| 17:13.08 | nevcairiel | 3.0 did have some more changes, but they backported them to 2.7, so now 3.0 looks small :p |
| 17:13.23 | Cide | I think py3k focused a lot on brushing up on more core things like for loops and basic syntax |
| 17:13.33 | amro | nevcairiel: exactly my point, most of 3.0 is just 2.7 |
| 17:13.41 | nevcairiel | but 3.0 was first |
| 17:13.42 | amro | I wouldn't complain if they called it 2.7 straight up :P |
| 17:13.54 | Cide | 2.7 contains the features of 3.0 |
| 17:14.04 | Cide | 3.0 is the brushing up of old stuff |
| 17:14.06 | Cide | I guess |
| 17:14.33 | Cide | Kraps: new? |
| 17:14.35 | Cide | they seem old |
| 17:14.37 | amro | it's slower than debian |
| 17:14.42 | Cide | or recycled |
| 17:15.25 | Kraps | many are from this year |
| 17:15.59 | Kraps | i'm talking about the blockbusters: JC2, ME2, BS2 |
| 17:17.24 | Cide | I thought me2 was up previously during the summer sale |
| 17:17.32 | nevcairiel | it was |
| 17:17.33 | nevcairiel | i got it then |
| 17:17.48 | Cide | same with just cause 2 and bioshock 2 |
| 17:17.51 | Cide | I think |
| 17:18.15 | Pneumatus | bioshock 2 has definatly been on 50% off before now |
| 17:19.48 | Kraps | just cause is good yeah? |
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| 17:21.43 | Cide | tried it but didn't like the controls |
| 17:22.03 | Thunder_Child | hmm..well RF:G is worth it for $5 for me |
| 17:22.28 | Thunder_Child | i always did want to finish that game |
| 17:22.45 | nevcairiel | another game you play just to blow up every wall? :d |
| 17:23.01 | Thunder_Child | and other things :) |
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| 17:24.13 | nevcairiel | can you change your steam username? |
| 17:25.26 | Cide | I believe so |
| 17:26.10 | Cide | should get world of goo instead, Thunder_Child |
| 17:26.13 | Cide | unless you already have it |
| 17:26.25 | Thunder_Child | have it |
| 17:27.11 | Kraps | Cide: i'm really bad at puzzle games |
| 17:27.25 | A-KO | wow |
| 17:27.30 | A-KO | quakecon this year is doing on-site registration |
| 17:27.30 | Cide | it's physics, not puzzle |
| 17:27.36 | A-KO | and they really think it's going to be faster than having a pre-registration |
| 17:27.42 | Cide | well both |
| 17:27.43 | nevcairiel | physic puzzles are the worst |
| 17:27.45 | Cide | but awesome still |
| 17:27.54 | Thunder_Child | "As the relationship between cable television network Syfy (formerly Sci Fi Channel) and video game publisher THQ continues to blossom, Syfy has revealed plans to bring another of THQ's video game franchises to television in the form of Red Faction" |
| 17:27.57 | nevcairiel | but it played world of goo anyway |
| 17:28.02 | nevcairiel | i* |
| 17:28.02 | Thunder_Child | i didnt know they already had one |
| 17:28.07 | amro | WOG is too short |
| 17:28.15 | Cide | yep |
| 17:28.25 | Cide | I got the Misadventures of PB Winterbottom yesterday or two days ago |
| 17:28.29 | Cide | it's nice also |
| 17:28.30 | amro | but at least it was never repetitive |
| 17:29.00 | amro | wtb multiplayer WOG time attacks |
| 17:29.09 | amro | esp if you can sabotage the other player |
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| 17:33.51 | cog|away | wtf directx sdk installer... lern2radiobutton for mutually exclusive choices |
| 17:34.12 | Fisker | l2p cogwheel |
| 17:34.21 | Fisker | i've begged for a lot of beta the last couple of days |
| 17:34.24 | cogwheel | (i was hoping it would let me choose both yes and no) |
| 17:34.39 | Shirik | lol |
| 17:34.47 | Shirik | so Cide |
| 17:34.52 | Shirik | I'm going to regret saying this |
| 17:34.54 | Shirik | but.... git? |
| 17:34.58 | Cide | rofl |
| 17:35.05 | Cide | under one condition |
| 17:35.13 | Cide | you get to make it compile on linux |
| 17:35.29 | Shirik | I think that should have been a condition all along tbh |
| 17:35.36 | Cide | yeah probably |
| 17:35.37 | Shirik | or are you saying me specifically? :P |
| 17:35.42 | Cide | you specifically |
| 17:35.45 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:35.48 | Shirik | well ok :P |
| 17:35.51 | Cide | I spent like 5 hours trying to figure out cmake |
| 17:35.54 | Cide | it got me nowhere |
| 17:36.23 | Kraps | http://img687.imageshack.us/i/wowscrnshot070310034919.jpg/ |
| 17:36.36 | Cide | never used git though |
| 17:36.37 | nevcairiel | cogwheel: heh i noticed that too, was in the previous version already |
| 17:36.44 | Cide | never used git on windows even less so |
| 17:36.49 | Cide | but if it compiles on linux I could use that |
| 17:37.21 | Cide | (why is there not msvc for linux?) |
| 17:37.50 | Fisker | so what can i do cogwheel ? |
| 17:37.57 | amro | cause we don't want msvc's idiosyncracies |
| 17:38.11 | amro | also Cide, cmake is braindead-easy |
| 17:38.14 | amro | what were you having trouble with? |
| 17:38.22 | nevcairiel | cmake is braindead |
| 17:38.35 | Cide | well we have a project |
| 17:39.01 | Cide | with like 30 or so files and one external dependency that cmake doesn't support out of the box |
| 17:39.07 | Cide | and one internal dependency as a side project |
| 17:39.20 | Cide | couldn't figure out how to get it to find the external dependency properly |
| 17:39.31 | nevcairiel | just copy one of the modules and change it for your dep |
| 17:39.37 | Cide | yeah well |
| 17:39.39 | amro | you don't have to make it find it |
| 17:39.41 | Cide | I fail I guess |
| 17:40.02 | amro | if all else fails, you can just assume it's there |
| 17:40.41 | Cide | that works great I'm sure |
| 17:40.45 | amro | what I hate about cmake is the lack of good documentation |
| 17:40.46 | Kraps | guys in the beta, are there more polygons? |
| 17:41.10 | Cide | amro: yeah, that didn't help |
| 17:41.22 | Cide | best I could find was some excerpts from the commercial book |
| 17:42.11 | A-KO | Kraps: hard to tell, really |
| 17:42.22 | Kraps | :( |
| 17:42.35 | A-KO | I think they redid the trees in STV, and some trees elsewhere also |
| 17:42.43 | A-KO | but I'm pretty sure it's largely the same old WoW |
| 17:42.49 | Kraps | http://img571.imageshack.us/i/66957287.jpg/ |
| 17:42.59 | amro | Cide: I just used KDE's CMakeLists.txt as examples to learn from |
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| 17:43.16 | Cide | well now I have Shirik to do it for me <3 |
| 17:43.17 | Kraps | A-KO: they were going to redo the player chars no? |
| 17:43.22 | Cide | he forced it on me anyway |
| 17:45.57 | Shirik | gah |
| 17:46.00 | Shirik | I want perforce so bad |
| 17:46.58 | mikma | as bad as fisker wants beta? |
| 17:47.29 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:47.44 | Kraps | Fisker hates the beta |
| 17:47.44 | mikma | shirik: you should have seen, cairenn almost went nsfs on my ass! |
| 17:47.48 | Shirik | ! |
| 17:48.27 | cogwheel | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/umadfisker.jpg |
| 17:49.20 | ScytheBlade1 | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1707860&cid=32792340 |
| 17:49.38 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: win |
| 17:50.17 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: Zyn started it fwiw ;) |
| 17:50.19 | nevcairiel | you know thats really not that obvious, a worgen or goblin is alot better |
| 17:50.31 | mikma | epic win imho |
| 17:50.44 | mikma | nevcairiel: it is obvious, gnome priest! |
| 17:50.45 | cogwheel | nevcairiel: gnome priest was by request |
| 17:50.50 | Zyn | !! |
| 17:50.51 | Zyn | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688889/thou_upset.jpg |
| 17:50.53 | cogwheel | i did hover over smite to be sure |
| 17:50.55 | mikma | or nelf mage xD |
| 17:51.20 | mikma | worgen was the other char to get druid, right? (ally? |
| 17:51.27 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 17:51.28 | cogwheel | yep |
| 17:52.47 | Shirik | btw |
| 17:52.57 | Shirik | I think this is probably one of the best halo videos I've ever seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57qV4ge0GlA&playnext_from=TL&videos=tFPSoffNLNA&feature=sub |
| 17:53.01 | Shirik | you have to watch it |
| 17:53.08 | Shirik | especially at 1080p |
| 17:53.09 | Shirik | = omg |
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| 17:55.21 | Kraps | http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/213/deathwing6.png |
| 17:56.09 | cogwheel | Shirik: i demand the last 2 minu-----3 minutes of my life back |
| 17:56.14 | Shirik | no |
| 17:56.17 | Shirik | you must keep watching |
| 17:56.22 | Shirik | it is awesome |
| 17:56.37 | cogwheel | time stamp or gtfo |
| 17:57.00 | Shirik | the whole damn thing! |
| 17:57.41 | Shirik | like |
| 17:57.43 | Shirik | 3:55 for example |
| 17:57.49 | Shirik | they put so much care into it |
| 17:58.27 | foxlit | not getting any better at that time either :/ |
| 17:58.42 | cogwheel | Shirik: it's dudes playing a game... |
| 17:58.48 | Shirik | watch at least 3:55 to 5:00 |
| 17:58.51 | cogwheel | i might as well be watching football (either interpretation) |
| 17:59.31 | cogwheel | and some decent editing |
| 18:00.37 | Shirik | you have to admit it's good editing |
| 18:00.58 | Fisker | btw |
| 18:01.03 | Fisker | i want this shadowfrost shard taken from me |
| 18:01.16 | Fisker | The horde is NOT lich king servants |
| 18:01.18 | Fisker | are* |
| 18:01.27 | Fisker | so why should i get shadowfrost shards from gunship? |
| 18:01.39 | foxlit | A wizard did it. |
| 18:01.41 | olafski | surely you can just destroy it manually |
| 18:01.46 | Kraps | all half life 2 parts = $17.39 |
| 18:02.25 | Fisker | olafski i also want to make sure it doesn't happen in the future |
| 18:04.07 | olafski | just don't loot it |
| 18:04.17 | olafski | or tell your master looter to give it to someone else |
| 18:06.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: the only remotely impressive part is the fact that they're doing that with a controller |
| 18:06.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I've done much worse on PC |
| 18:06.47 | Shirik | omg |
| 18:06.52 | Shirik | I'm not so impressed by the gameplay |
| 18:06.55 | Shirik | I'm impressed by the video |
| 18:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Then it isn't that amazing :p |
| 18:07.08 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:07.41 | Shirik | is this amazing? |
| 18:07.44 | Shirik | ERROR #0 (0x85100000) Assertion Failure |
| 18:07.45 | Shirik | Program:C:\Program Files (x86)\World of Warcraft Beta\WoW.exe |
| 18:07.45 | Shirik | File:d:\buildserver\wow\6\work\wow-code\trunk\wow\source\wowservices\WowConnection.h |
| 18:07.58 | ScytheBlade1 | huh @ wow\6\ |
| 18:08.08 | Shirik | oh yeah I have wow v6 beta actually |
| 18:08.09 | Shirik | don't you? |
| 18:08.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have a subscription |
| 18:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 18:08.29 | Fisker | oh sweet Shirik |
| 18:08.30 | Shirik | it's probably the same thing we do where I work where they have multiple parallel builds going on |
| 18:08.31 | Fisker | send me the tos |
| 18:08.33 | Fisker | pretty please |
| 18:08.39 | jnwhiteh | The Emerald Dream is amazing, srsly. |
| 18:08.42 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@d86-33-7-18.cust.tele2.at) |
| 18:08.50 | Shirik | so 6 is just "a folder" |
| 18:08.58 | Shirik | but I could also be totally wrong |
| 18:09.20 | Fisker | do it Shirik |
| 18:09.22 | Fisker | do it now |
| 18:09.30 | Shirik | It's a one line TOS |
| 18:09.51 | Shirik | "By using this service, you agree to obey Shirik's every command and cater to his every whim" |
| 18:10.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Unrelated: anyone who uses the mobile authenticator for android, FlexAuth is a bit better imo |
| 18:10.25 | ScytheBlade1 | in the sense that you can backup your keys, it doesn't try to get root, and it has a widget |
| 18:10.25 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: pong |
| 18:10.33 | jnwhiteh | Umm |
| 18:10.35 | jnwhiteh | NOACK |
| 18:10.36 | Cide | Shirik: I gotta say, that movie was pretty boring :P |
| 18:10.38 | jnwhiteh | You pinged me. |
| 18:10.40 | jnwhiteh | I ponged you |
| 18:10.42 | Shirik | fu all |
| 18:10.42 | jnwhiteh | You can't pong me back. |
| 18:10.45 | Torhal | Bah |
| 18:10.45 | jnwhiteh | I return your packet. |
| 18:10.57 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: You forgot to RST |
| 18:11.05 | jnwhiteh | fuck his connection |
| 18:11.07 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:11.08 | jnwhiteh | mine knows what's going on =) |
| 18:11.14 | jnwhiteh | I could be wrong |
| 18:11.19 | jnwhiteh | you might have requested a ping from me |
| 18:11.25 | jnwhiteh | either way, whats up |
| 18:11.44 | Shirik | Cide btw I set up the repo |
| 18:11.44 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: I was wondering if TomTom could be made to return a handle on its icon so the texture could be modified by another AddOn. |
| 18:11.52 | Cide | nice |
| 18:11.53 | foxlit | "Ability to save game, earn achievements, receive title updates and online play requires log-in to Games for Windows LIVE" |
| 18:11.56 | Cide | too bad your code is outdated :> |
| 18:11.57 | Torhal | s/its/a waypoint's/ |
| 18:12.04 | jnwhiteh | It could, I'm not quite sure I want to get into that, however. |
| 18:12.08 | jnwhiteh | Whats the use case? |
| 18:13.08 | Torhal | Ackis Recipe List - I interface with TomTom if it's installed to make waypoints to recipe sources. The case was to differentiate from the usual TomTom green dot by making the resulting icon be the profession icon |
| 18:14.00 | Fisker | nuts are salty jnwhiteh |
| 18:14.04 | Fisker | and you're wrong Shirik |
| 18:14.17 | amro | foxlit: whatever game that is, drop it now and run away |
| 18:14.24 | Fisker | ScytheBlade1 the authenticator only tries to get root to verify that it's rooted i think? |
| 18:14.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: and if you deny it root, it won't launch |
| 18:14.40 | foxlit | amro: bioshock 2 |
| 18:14.46 | ScytheBlade1 | which agitates me |
| 18:14.50 | ScytheBlade1 | also, widget |
| 18:14.52 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 18:15.40 | foxlit | Hm, so I'm contemplating updating my blp thumbnail plug-in for windows |
| 18:16.11 | foxlit | Anyone feeling adventurous enough to run a totally untrustworthy exe and verify that it does not cause the computer to explode? |
| 18:17.09 | Fisker | :O ScytheBlade1 |
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| 18:20.37 | amro | foxlit: are you saying that you're not trusworthy? |
| 18:21.55 | Shirik | Cide |
| 18:21.59 | Shirik | I need the current version |
| 18:22.04 | Cide | I'm sure |
| 18:22.13 | Shirik | or you can run a bunch of git commands |
| 18:22.18 | Cide | f that |
| 18:22.26 | Cide | you can do rar? |
| 18:22.26 | Fisker | fuck that Shirik |
| 18:22.28 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:22.36 | Cide | uh oh |
| 18:22.38 | Cide | gonna be huge |
| 18:22.47 | Cide | it contains a bunch of msvc temporary files |
| 18:22.59 | Shirik | trash any ncb or pcb |
| 18:23.10 | amro | msvc files are bigger than pagefile.sys |
| 18:23.12 | Cide | can just delete the debug folder |
| 18:23.21 | Shirik | trash the ncb file too |
| 18:23.25 | Shirik | should be where the solution is |
| 18:24.13 | Cide | sdf? |
| 18:24.20 | Cide | I guess that's the sql server |
| 18:24.26 | Cide | database |
| 18:24.34 | Cide | is that used now that you shut down your server? |
| 18:25.11 | amro | sdf is french for homeless |
| 18:26.12 | Kraps | sylvanaar: why abbreviate server names in prat? |
| 18:30.44 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: I basically wanted to know if I could close this year-old ticket for ARL that was asking for waypoint icons to be the icon of the recipe's profession. The comments didn't indicate whether or not anyone had actually asked you about this being added to TomTom, so I figured I would before simply closing it. |
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| 18:31.18 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 18:35.13 | Shirik | ok what the fuck |
| 18:35.19 | Shirik | in one place my computer has one value for %PATH% |
| 18:35.25 | Shirik | I open a command prompt and it's different |
| 18:36.54 | Gnarfoz | system path and user profile path? |
| 18:37.06 | Shirik | the system path should be global |
| 18:37.49 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 18:37.59 | Fisker | wtf |
| 18:38.00 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:38.02 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
| 18:38.11 | Cide | Shirik: I know for one thing the path is set at command prompt startup |
| 18:38.13 | Cide | i.e. it's not dynamic |
| 18:38.15 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o Fisker] by Shirik |
| 18:38.23 | Shirik | yes Cide so I restarted it |
| 18:38.25 | Shirik | and it's still the old value |
| 18:38.33 | Cide | admin prompt? |
| 18:38.51 | Shirik | nop |
| 18:39.07 | Shirik | but hey |
| 18:39.10 | Shirik | admin prompt got it right |
| 18:39.12 | Shirik | what's up with that |
| 18:39.20 | Cide | PATH is a user variable |
| 18:39.30 | Cide | it seems the user variable is appended to the system variable |
| 18:39.35 | Shirik | right |
| 18:39.38 | Shirik | but I modified the system variable |
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| 18:39.46 | Cide | strange |
| 18:39.50 | Gnarfoz | did you log out and back in? =D |
| 18:39.54 | Shirik | no |
| 18:41.52 | Cide | what happens if you execute 'cmd' in a command prompt |
| 18:42.06 | amro | the world explodes |
| 18:42.07 | Shirik | still broken |
| 18:42.32 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:42.37 | Fisker | you can't stop me |
| 18:42.38 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 18:42.40 | amro | is there a sane term+shell on windows? |
| 18:42.45 | Shirik | powershell |
| 18:42.52 | Gnarfoz | hey Fisker why you ignoring me |
| 18:43.02 | Fisker | i'm not Gnarfoz |
| 18:43.04 | Fisker | i love you |
| 18:43.08 | Hirsute | So this obviously doesn't work: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/138278 (gives an error about expecting } on line two to close {. Is there a way to do this without doing PolyQuips = {}, Polyquips["general"] = { 1...} etc? |
| 18:43.14 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: bot you do |
| 18:43.16 | Gnarfoz | *but |
| 18:43.43 | Fisker | naw Gnarfoz |
| 18:43.45 | Shirik | Hirsute: [1] = |
| 18:44.08 | Hirsute | Shirik: Ah, thanks! |
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| 18:45.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 18:45.41 | airtonix | lol "powershell" |
| 18:47.37 | mitchnull | amro: cygwin + puttycyg (or cygputty, w/e) |
| 18:48.02 | Shirik | did you know you burn 1.23kC/min by watching tv? |
| 18:48.10 | mitchnull | I don't |
| 18:48.15 | Cide | is that over the baseline? |
| 18:48.17 | airtonix | are you naked ? |
| 18:48.22 | A-KO | wow |
| 18:48.23 | Shirik | no, but it's not far off, Cide |
| 18:48.28 | A-KO | 35C right now (95F) :P |
| 18:48.46 | Cide | so you're not saying that you burn 1.23kC/min from only watching tv |
| 18:48.55 | Cide | i.e. it's the absolute and not relative |
| 18:49.02 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:49.05 | Shirik | well |
| 18:49.06 | Iriel | Isn't the baseline like 1.59 / min? |
| 18:49.06 | airtonix | (he's also naked and fapping) |
| 18:49.07 | A-KO | I burn a lot more than that with my heart rate increase playing video games |
| 18:49.09 | Shirik | it doesn't include digestion |
| 18:49.19 | Iriel | (Depending on metabolism) |
| 18:49.28 | Iriel | somewhere in the 2000-2500 / day |
| 18:49.28 | Shirik | baseline is 1.56/min for sedentary lifestyles |
| 18:49.44 | Shirik | mine is apparently 1.83 |
| 18:49.47 | Iriel | So you're saying watching TV is EXTRA sedentary |
| 18:49.50 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:49.59 | Shirik | surprised? :P |
| 18:50.04 | Iriel | Makes sense, if 1.56 is an average, you no doubt use lots more while walking, eating, etc |
| 18:50.11 | airtonix | that you procreate via mitosis ? no. |
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| 18:50.19 | Shirik | amusingly "sexual activity, vigorous effort" is actually only barely above baseline |
| 18:50.40 | Cide | that must have been fun |
| 18:50.57 | Cide | "Experiment: fuck vigorously" |
| 18:50.58 | Shirik | ok wtf |
| 18:50.59 | Iriel | Shirik: Based on what? |
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| 18:51.03 | Shirik | religious activity - standing, moderate (lifting 50 lbs., assembling at fast rate) |
| 18:51.10 | Shirik | wtf kind of religious activity involves lifting 50 lbs |
| 18:51.15 | Shirik | Iriel: Based on my tables :) |
| 18:51.18 | airtonix | lol "assembling" |
| 18:51.41 | airtonix | are a naked fapping god now ? |
| 18:51.49 | Cide | 1. If something we said can be interpreted two ways, and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one |
| 18:51.52 | Iriel | Shirik: Self-assembled? |
| 18:52.01 | Shirik | I have no idea what that means |
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| 18:52.15 | airtonix | on ont he sixth day you turned the tv off ? |
| 18:52.29 | Iriel | Shirik: The "tables' you refer to, are they assembled by you? |
| 18:52.33 | Shirik | oh no |
| 18:52.34 | Iriel | Shirik: or from some other source |
| 18:53.19 | Shirik | do you really think I can go about assembling a table for "sexual activity, vigorous effort"? |
| 18:53.43 | Iriel | No, but I dont particularly trust the source of 'barely above baseline' either |
| 18:53.57 | Shirik | well it depends on how you define "barely above" I guess |
| 18:54.14 | Hirsute | Shirik: no joy. Made that change (http://wowuidev.pastey.net/138279) and still get the exact same error-> line 2: "}" expected (to close "{" at line one) near "=" |
| 18:54.16 | Shirik | it's .5kC/min over |
| 18:54.31 | Shirik | Hirsute: Get rid of the quotes around general |
| 18:54.38 | Iriel | You have a bizarre definition of 'barely' |
| 18:54.40 | Shirik | and add them to all the numbers |
| 18:55.08 | Shirik | it's either a alphanumeric string key and you don't use quotes, or it's not and you surround it with [] |
| 18:55.37 | Shirik | ok time to restart computer bye |
| 18:56.07 | Cide | byebye |
| 18:57.34 | A-KO | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs517.ash1/30463_403987460266_641465266_4616130_969873_n.jpg < cats are awesome |
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| 19:07.07 | amro | Cide: have you used boost.python? |
| 19:07.21 | Cide | only extremely briefly |
| 19:07.25 | Cide | what about it? |
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| 19:08.03 | amro | I'm wondering how easy it is to use it to embed an interpreter rather than just extend |
| 19:08.59 | amro | for example lua is part of my source pretty much, is it possible to have similar full control with python+boost.python? |
| 19:09.16 | airtonix | http://emotiv.com/apps/epoc/299/ |
| 19:09.22 | Hirsute | Bah. This is really just frustrating. I'm wanting to use spell id as the key in a table, but it seems that the lua interpreter is not recognizing the spell id as a string, because it's all numbers. How would I get around that? |
| 19:09.44 | Caleb| | "" |
| 19:09.45 | amro | Hirsute: tostring(n) |
| 19:10.02 | Cide | amro: trivial, I think |
| 19:10.10 | Cide | I believe that's one of the core features |
| 19:10.22 | Hirsute | Caleb|: "" doesn't seem to work. amro: I'll give that a try. Thanks! |
| 19:10.31 | Cide | you either embed a python interpreter into the executable or you make a python module |
| 19:10.58 | Cide | and the former allows you full access to the python c api |
| 19:11.22 | amro | the instructions only explain how to link to python |
| 19:12.27 | amro | I'm not done decoupling my code from lua yet anyway, just thinking ahead |
| 19:12.39 | amro | I want to try both and compare |
| 19:12.43 | Cide | http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_43_0/libs/python/doc/tutorial/doc/html/python/embedding.html |
| 19:12.48 | amro | I'm reading that |
| 19:13.21 | Cide | seems like you just need to call Py_Initialize() |
| 19:14.13 | amro | that's the problem I see however |
| 19:14.22 | amro | with lua, I can create as many separate VMs as I want |
| 19:14.42 | amro | or is there another function that actually creates the VM after Py_Initialize()? |
| 19:14.52 | Cide | http://docs.python.org/c-api/init.html#l2h-652 |
| 19:15.00 | Cide | I think that has to do with the python api more so than the boost api |
| 19:15.09 | Cide | check out Py_NewInterpreter on that page |
| 19:15.37 | amro | hm, yeah |
| 19:16.14 | *** part/#wowuidev mitchnull (~mitchnull@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 19:16.37 | amro | the last concern is thread-safety |
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| 19:17.30 | Cide | I believe it still uses the global interpreter lock |
| 19:17.36 | Cide | I know there has been efforts to get around that |
| 19:18.56 | Fisker | i saved you thread Cide |
| 19:19.02 | Cide | cool |
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| 19:20.11 | amro | this is a problem |
| 19:20.40 | amro | I need to run updates to objects in parallel |
| 19:20.51 | Cide | global? |
| 19:20.54 | amro | I have my own locking code to prevent hell from breaking loose |
| 19:21.02 | amro | here's what I do currently |
| 19:22.08 | amro | I create a bunch of lua threads, and a bunch of real threads, and I assign a lua thread to each real thread |
| 19:22.24 | amro | all the lua threads do is prevent the threads from stomping on each others' stacks |
| 19:22.45 | amro | each update only acts on one object, but if it ever does touch another object it uses a lock |
| 19:23.46 | Cide | so what's keeping you from doing the same thing in python? |
| 19:24.18 | *** part/#wowuidev mitchnull (~mitchnull@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 19:24.18 | amro | the GIL |
| 19:24.24 | amro | but hang on, I'm not sure I understand how it works |
| 19:24.26 | amro | I need to re-read this |
| 19:24.52 | amro | it's this line |
| 19:24.54 | amro | "In order to support multi-threaded Python programs, thereâs a global lock, called the global interpreter lock or GIL, that must be held by the current thread before it can safely access Python objects." |
| 19:25.18 | amro | each update needs to call a method in script. if I understand correctly, I can't have two threads executing python code simultaneously |
| 19:25.48 | amro | it seems to support only calling python from multiple threads that are generally doing other things |
| 19:25.55 | amro | not multiple threads dedicated to running python |
| 19:26.34 | Cide | yeah, not sure there |
| 19:26.39 | Cide | do you need separate interpreters though? |
| 19:26.55 | Cide | if you could use the built-in threading it'd be simpler I'm sure |
| 19:26.57 | amro | I don't absolutely need them |
| 19:27.06 | amro | I can easily run the updates in just one thread |
| 19:27.37 | Cide | well you can have python threads but they need the GIL when running afaik |
| 19:27.56 | Cide | so they temporarily pause execution temporarily I guess |
| 19:28.19 | amro | :( |
| 19:28.21 | Cide | so there's no true asynchronous execution |
| 19:28.30 | amro | that makes me sad |
| 19:28.34 | nevcairiel | so python internally is not thread safe |
| 19:28.44 | Cide | right |
| 19:29.08 | Cide | T |
| 19:29.09 | amro | lua isn't either, I could break things big time by giving the same object to two threads to update |
| 19:29.15 | nevcairiel | wonder how that impacts performance on web apps |
| 19:29.16 | amro | but it lets me do my own locking to prevent that |
| 19:29.27 | Cide | well it runs separate instances |
| 19:29.47 | amro | performance is good on web apps |
| 19:30.07 | nevcairiel | how i understand the wsgi design, it basically runs one application that the dispatcher sends requests to |
| 19:30.07 | Cide | the only thing that should require thread-safety is the database |
| 19:30.19 | Cide | and that's handled by the database itself |
| 19:30.31 | Hirsute | Okay, I'm still not being able to figure this out. The following gives me the error, "line 136: |
| 19:30.33 | Hirsute | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.58 | Hirsute | The pastey is of the table that starts at 135 |
| 19:30.59 | nevcairiel | you can't do it like that, if you want keys that are not simple strings, you have to put them in [ ] |
| 19:31.07 | nevcairiel | [2] = .. |
| 19:31.10 | nevcairiel | [3] = ... |
| 19:31.31 | amro | though, from what you said earlier I think you want "23245" = |
| 19:31.36 | nevcairiel | lua> return { 1 = "one", 2 = "two } |
| 19:31.36 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 19:31.43 | nevcairiel | lua> return { [1] = "one", [2] = "two } |
| 19:31.43 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 19:31.44 | Hirsute | nevcairiel: I want those to be treated as simple strings. As if I'd done spells["teleports"]["23245"] = |
| 19:31.48 | nevcairiel | lua> return { [1] = "one", [2] = "two" } |
| 19:31.48 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: table: 0x8358738 |
| 19:31.55 | amro | nevcairiel: third time's the charm |
| 19:32.04 | nevcairiel | amro: first one was wrong on purpose |
| 19:32.11 | Cide | amro: of course, the GIL only prevents the internal stuff from happening simultaneously |
| 19:32.17 | Cide | but maybe that's what you want to happen |
| 19:32.35 | nevcairiel | Hirsute: well, keys like that can only be real strings, made out of letters, not purely numbers |
| 19:32.39 | amro | let me put it this way |
| 19:32.50 | nevcairiel | if you want string keys that are numbers, you need to do ["234"] = ... |
| 19:33.14 | Hirsute | Okay, was hoping there was a fewer-keystrokes way to do it. Thanks! |
| 19:33.21 | amro | if I have one function that continuously prints "foo", and another that continuously prints "bar", I should have a tangled mess of foobars onscreen |
| 19:33.33 | Cide | yes |
| 19:33.36 | Cide | that's fine and dandy |
| 19:33.47 | amro | I don't need to lock for that? |
| 19:33.52 | Cide | no |
| 19:33.53 | Cide | "the GIL just protects python internals from multiple threads altering their state. This is a very low-level of locking, sufficient only to keep python's own structures in a consistent state. It doesn't cover the application level locking you'll need to do to cover thread safety in your own code." |
| 19:34.05 | amro | ah |
| 19:34.06 | amro | I see |
| 19:34.11 | amro | sweet |
| 19:34.25 | Cide | that's also doable in pure python |
| 19:34.27 | Cide | in a single interpreter |
| 19:38.11 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: I haven't been asked, and would need to think about it a bit more.. propose a simple API and I'd definitely consider it. |
| 19:38.13 | Cide | amro: http://pastey.net/138281 |
| 19:38.47 | amro | Cide: indiviudal update with locking http://pastebin.ca/1894558 |
| 19:39.23 | amro | copy it into a real editor for reading |
| 19:39.31 | Fisker | i'm so dead jnwhiteh |
| 19:40.22 | Cide | are you listing the state on every line? :P |
| 19:40.27 | amro | yes |
| 19:40.32 | Cide | er |
| 19:40.32 | Cide | stack |
| 19:40.42 | amro | it's unreadable without it |
| 19:40.56 | Cide | yeah, I can see that |
| 19:41.17 | amro | I really wish I didn't have to write all that, but I have to store shit in the registry |
| 19:41.56 | amro | would be simpler if it was possible to store references to lua functions, tables and userdata as C types |
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| 19:47.27 | Cide | ya, I think you can with python |
| 19:47.33 | Cide | PyObject and such |
| 19:47.37 | amro | indeed |
| 19:47.41 | amro | that's what I'm counting on |
| 19:47.51 | Cide | boost.python seems to abstract it further and auto-deals with reference counting |
| 19:56.32 | Iriel | amro: if you have to do it a lot, make an abstraction layer |
| 19:57.38 | amro | I have one for storing and calling event handlers |
| 19:57.53 | amro | but the mailbox is the only instance where I need to store arbitrary lua values |
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| 20:07.32 | mikma | damn sun, you won again |
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| 20:13.06 | Fisker | i agree mikma |
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| 20:15.41 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Danke. |
| 20:16.33 | mikma | tomtom is full of win. i once started to code a pvp-waypoint arrow |
| 20:16.52 | mikma | it failed back in thet times when there weren't any coorda in pvp |
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| 20:18.26 | mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7838#comments <- anyone else seen this behavior in NeonChat (if you use it...) |
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| 20:29.22 | Kraps | Restrict shaman weapon enchants to being unique (meaning no WF / WF or FT / FT) WHOA |
| 20:30.04 | Dagmar | ONOES |
| 20:30.15 | Dagmar | Now shaman will be eaten alive by kitaens! |
| 20:30.53 | Kraps | Dagmar: otoh, it allows for the removal of the WF ICD |
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| 20:33.22 | amro | there's an installable client driver for windfury? |
| 20:33.57 | airtonix | lol |
| 20:34.19 | kd3 | yay 8 hour shift on national holidays |
| 20:36.58 | Kraps | oh amro you slay me |
| 20:36.59 | DWSR | kd3: time and a half woot woot. |
| 20:37.03 | kd3 | yar |
| 20:42.37 | airtonix | nerf herder rates |
| 20:51.29 | Kraps | why dont they delete this shit http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712373404&sid=1 |
| 20:52.02 | A-KO | lol |
| 20:52.05 | A-KO | you know the funny ting is |
| 20:52.17 | A-KO | the authenticators are just a token device made by another company |
| 20:52.22 | A-KO | and I believe they charge $6 for them |
| 20:52.28 | A-KO | so blizzard isn't even making a return on them |
| 20:52.52 | Kraps | thats what this guy says "The Keyfob Authenticator is sold at cost. Meaning Blizzard purchases them from Vasco for $6.50 and sells it for $6.50. If you live within the US, Blizzard pays for the shipping, so they certainly are not making any money off of that. " |
| 20:53.44 | bryno | i feel good using the free authenticator on my phone then |
| 20:53.50 | Shadowed | I'm sure they make money, just not directly :p |
| 20:53.58 | A-KO | I've had 2 authenticators and my phone authenticator |
| 20:54.07 | Dagmar | Fewer bullshit "mah account wuz hax0rd!" phone calls |
| 20:54.08 | A-KO | Shadowed: by having to field less hack calls, yes. |
| 20:54.10 | airtonix | lol "symantec" |
| 20:54.12 | A-KO | lol |
| 20:54.40 | A-KO | many people who get hacked are just idiots though |
| 20:54.59 | airtonix | specially those who worship brand names |
| 20:55.02 | A-KO | sits behind his google chrome dev, on Win7, with UAC kicked up, DEP and ASLR forced on..... |
| 20:55.05 | Dagmar | Kraps: They delete it, J. Random Crackhead will just post another one |
| 20:55.11 | A-KO | with authenticator on my account |
| 20:55.23 | Dagmar | Kraps: They leave it alone, at least it's in one place, along with all the people calling J. Random Crackhead a dumbass |
| 20:55.38 | airtonix | A-KO, you forget to say "Blizzard Authenticator (tm)" |
| 20:55.54 | A-KO | in fact, I wouldn't mind one of these token type devices on my Windows login either |
| 20:55.55 | A-KO | smart card ftw |
| 20:56.02 | Dagmar | Kraps: Note that the third response is not alone: "wow...that's a lot of Dumb in one post, how'd you fit it all in there?" |
| 20:56.03 | Kraps | gah why am i even reading this |
| 20:56.07 | Dagmar | A-KO: GOod luck on that |
| 20:56.10 | A-KO | lol Dagmar |
| 20:56.23 | Kraps | heads to the beta forums |
| 20:56.27 | Dagmar | Far fewer than five percent of the users have a smartcard reader |
| 20:56.36 | A-KO | Dagmar, oh, I meant for myself |
| 20:56.44 | A-KO | for my PC :P |
| 20:59.37 | Kraps | anyone have a high-level disc priest on beta? |
| 21:02.48 | Dagmar | Yay Festive Mugs! |
| 21:03.37 | Kraps | Warriors now start with Shield Slam |
| 21:03.40 | Kraps | eh cool |
| 21:03.46 | Kraps | Warriors no longer start with Heroic Strike |
| 21:03.51 | Kraps | eh less cool |
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| 21:08.38 | Shirik | ok |
| 21:08.40 | Shirik | this some BS http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=114479722&rfilm=114481715 |
| 21:08.51 | Shirik | wtb overkill :( |
| 21:09.18 | Cide | bungie uses silverlight |
| 21:09.28 | Cide | that's funny |
| 21:10.09 | Zyn | I see Halo in the URL |
| 21:10.14 | Zyn | puts on his hazard suit |
| 21:10.18 | Zyn | clicks the link |
| 21:15.07 | amro | silverlight? |
| 21:15.09 | amro | it caught on? |
| 21:15.30 | Cide | <iframe src="http://www.bungie.net/Silverlight/bungiemediaplayer/embed.aspx?fileId=114481715" scrolling="no" style="padding:0;margin:0;border:0;" width="640" height="360" ></iframe> |
| 21:16.31 | amro | bad |
| 21:19.54 | cbreak | microsoft minion |
| 21:20.19 | cbreak | bungie still didn't release Halo for Mac OS despite their anouncement |
| 21:20.29 | cbreak | many many years ago, before microsoft bought them |
| 21:20.43 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: ping |
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| 21:23.23 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:23.27 | Fisker | slaps Zyn around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:23.29 | Fisker | slaps cbreak around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:23.53 | DWSR | trouts Fisker around a bit with a large slap. |
| 21:24.04 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: http://paste.wowace.com/2156/ |
| 21:24.10 | Zyn | slaps Fisker around with nuclear waste |
| 21:24.28 | cogwheel | abstracts Fisker away |
| 21:26.02 | Fisker | you can't stop me |
| 21:26.08 | Fisker | at some point i'll be betaing away |
| 21:27.04 | Zyn | and gank us? |
| 21:27.20 | Zyn | ... which will not be possible, due to test realms being PvE |
| 21:27.48 | Fisker | there are pvp zones |
| 21:29.09 | Fisker | i will do it Zyn |
| 21:29.17 | Fisker | anyway sleep tiems |
| 21:29.22 | Torhal | NEIN! |
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| 21:32.52 | Shirik | zyn |
| 21:32.56 | Shirik | what did you think |
| 21:32.59 | Shirik | of the video |
| 21:33.20 | Zyn | another day for a PC player |
| 21:33.21 | Zyn | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 21:33.32 | Shirik | screw PC players |
| 21:33.36 | Shirik | they're basically cheaters |
| 21:33.57 | Shirik | try something that requires real skill |
| 21:35.07 | Zyn | like ... chess |
| 21:35.09 | amro | might as well argue that playing tennis with both hands is cheating |
| 21:35.13 | Shirik | EXACTLY |
| 21:36.56 | amro | I just called Nadal |
| 21:36.59 | amro | he disagrees |
| 21:38.36 | Shirik | who? |
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| 21:39.01 | amro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Nadal |
| 21:39.02 | Seerah | Shirik: who is Nadal? |
| 21:39.06 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:39.07 | Seerah | ^^ |
| 21:39.23 | amro | how can you not know Nadal |
| 21:39.34 | olafski | maybe he doesn't care about tennis |
| 21:39.35 | Seerah | current #1 |
| 21:40.14 | olafski | I've never even heard the name |
| 21:40.42 | amro | he was all over the news a few years back |
| 21:40.53 | amro | young, out of nowhere, and kicked Federer's ass |
| 21:41.11 | amro | I don't even watch tennis |
| 21:41.29 | Seerah | just beat Federer again. Poor guy. was his retirement match. |
| 21:42.58 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: I'll make a note of that, but it's a bit more than that, since the waypoint can be re-used so I'll have to reset the textures as well |
| 21:43.08 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: it also won't persist across sessions |
| 21:43.35 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: I figured as much, but that works as an interface |
| 21:46.49 | cogwheel | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/10/02/the-real-firefox/ |
| 21:46.55 | cogwheel | everyone go awwwwwwww |
| 21:46.56 | Fisker | i fucked you up Zyn |
| 21:47.08 | Zyn | oh? |
| 21:47.09 | Seerah | cogwheel: hehehe |
| 21:47.28 | Fisker | indeed i did Zyn |
| 21:47.37 | Fisker | and just wait until i got totally beta on you |
| 21:47.55 | Zyn | uh yeah you do that |
| 21:48.20 | Fisker | ho* |
| 21:48.24 | Fisker | go* |
| 21:49.17 | Fisker | btw |
| 21:49.23 | Fisker | i hate Blizzard for RNG |
| 21:49.36 | kd3 | crazy... there are 6778 icons in interface\\icons on cata |
| 21:49.49 | Fisker | not crazy at all kd3 |
| 21:49.58 | Fisker | do you want to know what's really crazy in cata? |
| 21:50.19 | Fisker | DO YOU?! |
| 21:50.58 | Fisker | baw kd3 |
| 21:52.30 | Fisker | well the craziest thing about the cata beta is that i'm not in it |
| 21:52.34 | Fisker | geddit? |
| 21:54.02 | Fisker | kd3 is a jerk :( |
| 21:54.03 | Fisker | bai |
| 22:03.53 | Gnarfoz | I'd have known, Fisker |
| 22:05.57 | Seerah | aha - see? I'm not the only one who was skeptical about all this iPhone 4 reception stuff: http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2010/07/01/iphone-4-problems-theres-a-lawsuit-for-that/ |
| 22:11.09 | Kraps | nice cogwheel |
| 22:11.47 | Kraps | lol did you read the comments? |
| 22:12.46 | Kraps | Seerah: that list is cool |
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| 22:16.29 | Kraps | kd3: as opposed to? |
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| 22:27.08 | Shirik | what do you mean skeptical Seerah? |
| 22:36.52 | cogwheel | Shirik: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/library-using-hippy-fags.png |
| 22:37.23 | Shirik | I guess I should try to compete with you |
| 22:37.59 | cogwheel | nah you'd win... |
| 22:40.18 | Kraps | whoa http://g4tv.com/games/pc/63390/vindictus/articles/70983/E3-2010-Vindictus-Preview/ |
| 22:41.14 | Kraps | it uses the source engine |
| 22:41.21 | Shirik | lol cogwheel |
| 22:41.24 | Shirik | not very confident |
| 22:41.28 | Shirik | it's not like I have a lot of free time on my hands |
| 22:41.38 | cogwheel | wat |
| 22:41.52 | cogwheel | i thought you meant you had a better example of douchebaggery |
| 22:42.08 | cogwheel | from the 'pedia |
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| 22:47.50 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:48.14 | cogwheel | i thought you meant competing for who has the worst douche example... |
| 22:48.22 | Torhal | cogwheel: You didn't know? All real programmers live by the "Not Invented Here" credo. |
| 22:48.25 | Torhal | </sarcasm> |
| 22:48.58 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 22:56.37 | Cide | so I wonder |
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| 22:56.58 | Cide | why do game studios spend a lot of money on prerendered videos instead of focusing the money on, you know, the game |
| 22:57.14 | cogwheel | i was under the impression they spent a lot on both... |
| 22:57.31 | Cide | but clearly less |
| 22:57.48 | Cide | stick to in-game videos imo |
| 22:58.55 | cogwheel | i have a feeling if they suddenly stopped it wouldn't make as much of a difference to the game itself as one might hope... |
| 22:59.24 | Cide | possibly |
| 22:59.27 | Cide | but it's just annoying |
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| 22:59.47 | cogwheel | they should stop doing it and lower the prices ;) |
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| 23:02.22 | cbreak | they do rendered stuff for advertisement anyway |
| 23:09.29 | airtonix | http://img.uphaa.com/uploads/508/10_wtf_but_funny_pictrues_7.jpg |
| 23:19.44 | amro | Cide: publishers set the budget |
| 23:23.39 | amro | to the C++ guys, how do you deal with the syntax inconsistency when using smart pointers and chain-calling? |
| 23:23.55 | Shirik | don't use smart pointers |
| 23:24.19 | Gnarfoz | that's right, new stuff is invented to not be used because it actually sucks! |
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| 23:25.35 | amro | using a regular pointer is no different |
| 23:29.31 | Shirik | nah |
| 23:29.37 | Shirik | using a regular pointer requires intelligence |
| 23:30.14 | amro | Shirik: yeah see remembering to add a delete at the end of the scope doesn't take genius |
| 23:30.29 | amro | the syntax remains the same for my question anyway |
| 23:30.46 | amro | I just twitch everytime I see foo->bar().baz() |
| 23:32.20 | Wobin | amro: but why? |
| 23:34.30 | Wobin | cogwheel: rofl at the image... how long did he wait? |
| 23:34.41 | amro | Wobin: for the same reason I can't stand trailing whitespace |
| 23:35.20 | cogwheel | Wobin: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3176243/c-socket-programming-send-and-receive-constantly <-- the original thread with comments... |
| 23:35.52 | Wobin | amro: even though you can't see it? |
| 23:36.03 | amro | I can feel it |
| 23:36.09 | amro | also, I can see it when I select |
| 23:36.23 | amro | also, my editor can be set to display trailing whitespace |
| 23:36.47 | Wobin | Don't code it that way |
| 23:36.51 | Wobin | </apple> |
| 23:37.46 | amro | the real issue is the editor displaying more whitespace than there really is. |
| 23:38.26 | Wobin | amro: so turn it off =P |
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| 23:38.42 | amro | I forgot to add </apple> |
| 23:39.00 | amro | anyway, it doesn't end there |
| 23:39.04 | airtonix | <ifag:apple/> |
| 23:39.11 | amro | what if you have a pointer to a class with operator[]? |
| 23:39.16 | airtonix | you need a namespace |
| 23:39.18 | amro | then things get really ugly |
| 23:39.35 | cbreak | * |
| 23:39.45 | amro | that's the ugly part |
| 23:39.46 | Wobin | You could have meaningful pointer names |
| 23:39.59 | amro | I'm not sure how that helps the syntax |
| 23:41.07 | amro | it's not a big deal if you're only occasionally calling operator[] |
| 23:41.18 | amro | but for eg in my unit tests, it gets called a lot |
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