| 00:00.48 | airtonix | pulls out the Vuvuzela |
| 00:01.12 | Thunder_Child | chicken shrimp? |
| 00:02.18 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: ... i.. understand those words, but the way you put them together.. |
| 00:02.23 | NightHawkTheSane | fills me with revulsion\ |
| 00:03.28 | *** join/#wowuidev theorb_ (~theorb@91.84.53.6) |
| 00:05.50 | jnwhiteh | god damnit. |
| 00:05.57 | jnwhiteh | If a post on Curse ends with 'Very simple' |
| 00:06.05 | jnwhiteh | pre-flag it as spam |
| 00:06.07 | jnwhiteh | ffs. |
| 00:06.11 | NightHawkTheSane | later folks. |
| 00:06.28 | jnwhiteh | rate them.. if it has the word 'hard' 'work' 'very' 'automatic', just bin it and ban the account |
| 00:06.30 | jnwhiteh | screams |
| 00:06.32 | jnwhiteh | goodnight! |
| 00:09.36 | Thunder_Child | posts on curse something related to jnwhiteh saying "jnwhiteh is automaticly not working very hard. |
| 00:09.37 | Thunder_Child | " |
| 00:17.02 | alestane | Shrimp rolled and fried in coconut flour and tossed with a buffalo sauce that we had to pad out with Thai garlic chili paste, NightHawkTheSane. |
| 00:18.43 | Thunder_Child | i keep fogetting to level up skinnin when i am in town |
| 00:18.46 | Thunder_Child | i hate myself |
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| 00:25.40 | ScytheBlade1 | WTF? Pings from my server to my cable modem gateway = 20ms. Pings to my modem in specific = 80ms. |
| 00:35.20 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: your gateway has 60ms of internal routing |
| 00:38.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: so it would seem. Also, WTF? |
| 00:39.25 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: bad cable? |
| 00:39.31 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.32 | ScytheBlade1 | likely |
| 00:39.46 | ScytheBlade1 | so I've setup two monitoring programs on my servers |
| 00:39.46 | Thunder_Child | loose* |
| 00:40.00 | ScytheBlade1 | and as I now have the name and number of a comcast tech who is personally assigned to fix my crap |
| 00:40.11 | ScytheBlade1 | (who actually knows that rebooting the modem won't fix this!) |
| 00:40.18 | ScytheBlade1 | these graphs will be invaluable |
| 00:43.19 | Thunder_Child | unless your tech is an idiot |
| 00:43.32 | ScytheBlade1 | true |
| 00:43.35 | ScytheBlade1 | but I'm not that worried |
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| 00:56.06 | Dagmar | If it's a Comcast tech there's no need to worry. |
| 00:56.09 | Dagmar | q |
| 00:56.13 | Dagmar | He's an idiot for sure. |
| 00:56.35 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/atlanta.png |
| 00:56.43 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/houston.png |
| 00:56.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ping times from the respective locations |
| 00:57.04 | ScytheBlade1 | to both my gateway and my modem |
| 01:00.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Things observed from these graphs: distance matters, and my local area is BROKEN. |
| 01:02.59 | Thunder_Child | size matters too |
| 01:11.38 | DWSR | That's what she said. |
| 01:11.49 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: More likely it's just heavily oversubscribed |
| 01:12.21 | Dagmar | ...although if your cablemodem doesn't MAC lock you, a more interesting question is "Who do all these IPs I'm seeing ARP for belong to?" |
| 01:15.47 | Antiarc | So this Jamba guy is pretty cute |
| 01:16.01 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626107053&postId=257099491199&sid=1#1 |
| 01:16.04 | Antiarc | "I am the author of what I consider to be a rather large addon for World of Warcraft called Jamba" |
| 01:16.07 | Antiarc | *checks Curse* |
| 01:16.10 | Antiarc | 925 downloads! |
| 01:16.19 | Antiarc | Sense of scale might be a mite warped :) |
| 01:16.27 | DWSR | icwutudidthar |
| 01:16.44 | DWSR | Actually, I use Jamba. |
| 01:17.25 | Antiarc | I'm sure some folks do, but <1k downloads is not "rather large" |
| 01:17.46 | Torhal | Antiarc: How about a million lines of code? :D |
| 01:19.11 | Antiarc | Heh, maybe he meant "lots of LOC" |
| 01:19.15 | Antiarc | in which case it definitely qualifies |
| 01:20.16 | Antiarc | 36k LOC of Lua, 337 LOC of XML |
| 01:20.41 | Antiarc | 21.8k if you remove libs |
| 01:21.14 | Antiarc | 15k if you remove localization |
| 01:21.33 | DWSR | He's got >1k downloads. |
| 01:21.36 | DWSR | 261 from WoWI |
| 01:21.39 | DWSR | 926 from curse. |
| 01:21.50 | DWSR | I'm sure he has some from his personal page. |
| 01:27.45 | Alram | wow |
| 01:27.47 | Alram | if thats popular |
| 01:31.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: the only things that are MAC locked are the modems themselves, the MAC behind the modem is irrelevant |
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| 01:32.06 | Dagmar | No. |
| 01:32.23 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 01:32.28 | kd3 | they're killing mcrun too? |
| 01:32.30 | kd3 | winces |
| 01:32.39 | Dagmar | Most modems now *refuse* to pass traffic that doesn't match the mac address of the machine that got an IP address through it. |
| 01:32.58 | Dagmar | When they first deployed cablemodems here, they did *not* have this in their configuration. |
| 01:33.13 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I can arbitrarily reconnect devices directly to my modem without restarting it and without registering any one of them to comcast |
| 01:37.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Never had to, and always been able to do so |
| 01:37.49 | Dagmar | looks excited. |
| 01:38.10 | Dagmar | So you can watch the general flood of ARP queries coming down the coax and respond to them? |
| 01:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh yes. |
| 01:38.27 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 01:38.28 | Dagmar | *glee* |
| 01:38.42 | Dagmar | Okay, I'm jealous now. |
| 01:38.55 | ScytheBlade1 | tcpdump -i eth0 proto arp = LOTS OF PACKETS. |
| 01:39.06 | Dagmar | Yeah, but that's normal for a cablemodem network |
| 01:39.16 | Thunder_Child | oh my http://www.warmouse.com/ |
| 01:39.21 | Dagmar | Them not filtering what you send out will probably prove to be a very fatal flaw in their design |
| 01:39.43 | DWSR | what. |
| 01:39.44 | DWSR | the. |
| 01:39.45 | DWSR | fuck. |
| 01:39.46 | DWSR | Thunder_Child. |
| 01:39.51 | Thunder_Child | i know |
| 01:39.58 | Thunder_Child | 18 programmable buttons and a joystick |
| 01:40.01 | Thunder_Child | on a mouse |
| 01:40.05 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:40.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I just snagged 1k packets |
| 01:40.54 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.06 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: |
| 01:41.09 | DWSR | That's just sickening. |
| 01:41.52 | DWSR | It's also ugly as sin |
| 01:42.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd upload the capture, but comcast is sucking again. |
| 01:42.20 | Dagmar | I would really like to know why it's only $75 tho |
| 01:42.22 | Thunder_Child | form follows function |
| 01:42.37 | DWSR | Dagmar: Meh. |
| 01:42.44 | Thunder_Child | because it's a keyboard with a laser base |
| 01:42.45 | DWSR | The Naga's the same price. |
| 01:43.05 | Dagmar | Generally you think... "new product" add $20... special extended functionality: add $30. Medical industry sales: add $50 |
| 01:43.35 | DWSR | Well. |
| 01:43.44 | DWSR | He's trying to compete with the Naga and the SteelSeries mouse. |
| 01:43.55 | Dagmar | It's probably made with paints that will give you hand cancer |
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| 01:44.05 | DWSR | I bet that the Naga could be sold for $50 profitably. |
| 01:44.06 | Dagmar | ...or possibly spread to the wang |
| 01:44.08 | DWSR | Dagmar: That too. |
| 01:44.19 | Shadowed | why sell something for $50 when you can sell it for $100 |
| 01:44.28 | Shadowed | and then sell it for $50 later |
| 01:45.21 | Dagmar | ...leaves little puddles of bisphenol on the desk after awhilke |
| 01:45.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: http://www.cloudshark.org/captures/7bdf3581d886 |
| 01:46.31 | ScytheBlade1 | 1071 requests in 40 seconds |
| 01:46.53 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: respond to one |
| 01:47.21 | Dagmar | Send back an "I HAS" and see if you get IP |
| 01:47.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: tempting! but pass for now |
| 01:47.39 | Dagmar | Dude, if Comcast hadn't fixed it here I was going to mess with this city as a whole |
| 01:48.05 | ScytheBlade1 | also, =[ @ the gaps in http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/atlanta.png |
| 01:48.34 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:48.54 | Dagmar | Oh yeah |
| 01:49.11 | Dagmar | Becuase I *am* the kind of kook who would engage in acts of mass surealism |
| 01:50.27 | Dagmar | Or, you know... make up a reasonably obscure name like "Steven Willsfred", make sure no one with that name lives anywhere in town, and just start substituting it for the names of popular celebrities |
| 01:50.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao (vince@adsl-99-155-192-68.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:50.40 | Dagmar | ...because eventually someone will notice, and mention it to someone else |
| 01:50.54 | Dagmar | ...who might have seen "that weird Steven thing" happen |
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| 01:53.53 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 01:53.56 | Dagmar | ...or if you wanted to go with the obvious and probably wind up having it mentioned on Slashdot before any really wild theories get thrown about, just start sticking the word "Lain" into people's traffic |
| 01:54.23 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:54.23 | kd3 | lmfao |
| 02:13.17 | Thunder_Child | "http://gizmodo.com/5578148/james-cameron-directing-a-3d-black-eyed-peas-documentary" that just seems....well, sad |
| 02:19.06 | tekkub | Anyone in beta? |
| 02:20.36 | Thunder_Child | yes tekkub |
| 02:21.10 | Thunder_Child | tekkub: me, cog|away, and at least one other person i cant remember |
| 02:22.06 | tekkub | wanna come to SW on PvE and sign guild charter for author guild? |
| 02:22.29 | Thunder_Child | sure |
| 02:22.37 | tekkub | I'm Cub on there |
| 02:23.16 | Seerah | heh... I didn't even look at the guild name when I signed it :p |
| 02:23.56 | tekkub | <Secure Hookers> |
| 02:24.03 | Shirik | >< |
| 02:24.10 | Shirik | let me in |
| 02:24.11 | Seerah | rofl |
| 02:24.16 | tekkub | if they redact it, it will become <Guild name blocked by addon> |
| 02:24.22 | Seerah | gotta download it first! |
| 02:24.30 | Seerah | :D |
| 02:24.35 | Thunder_Child | tekkub: you are in a group |
| 02:24.41 | tekkub | aye |
| 02:24.42 | Seerah | yes, he is :p |
| 02:24.55 | Thunder_Child | one second, porting |
| 02:26.16 | tekkub | need one more! |
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| 02:29.57 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 02:38.04 | cog|away | tekkub: lunessa, kd3, Sixen |
| 02:38.47 | cogwheel | i'm in <Segmentation Violation> |
| 02:38.51 | Thunder_Child | rather surprised Iriel doesnt have it |
| 02:39.06 | Iriel | Have what? |
| 02:39.11 | Thunder_Child | beta |
| 02:39.13 | Seerah | he does |
| 02:39.18 | Iriel | I had alpha 8-) |
| 02:39.19 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 02:39.23 | Seerah | he must just be avoiding us :p |
| 02:39.28 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 02:39.33 | Seerah | you know you want to be a secure hooker |
| 02:40.01 | kd3 | I'm on an alt to get unmodified quest xp info. what's up? |
| 02:40.24 | cogwheel | kd3: i was just pointing you out to tekkub |
| 02:40.29 | cogwheel | sorry for the ping :) |
| 02:40.32 | Thunder_Child | kd3: charter signing |
| 02:40.38 | kd3 | no worries |
| 02:40.43 | Seerah | author guild on beta |
| 02:40.51 | cogwheel | we already have one... :P |
| 02:41.04 | Seerah | ..... |
| 02:41.10 | cogwheel | segmentation violation . duman started it in alpha |
| 02:41.13 | Seerah | why wasn't I invited when I asked earlier? :p |
| 02:41.19 | cogwheel | i wasn't here when you asked :P |
| 02:43.18 | tekkub | that name sucks |
| 02:43.27 | cogwheel | good point. |
| 02:43.29 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 02:43.30 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 02:43.34 | Seerah | you guys should /gquit imo ;) |
| 02:43.46 | cogwheel | tabard's kind of hideous too >< |
| 02:43.49 | tekkub | I only need one more siggie |
| 02:43.49 | cogwheel | sorry Duman |
| 02:43.57 | tekkub | yea I need to make a tabard |
| 02:44.03 | tekkub | the standard gears icon? |
| 02:44.09 | Seerah | Duman: he's questioning your design choices! O.O |
| 02:44.34 | Thunder_Child | no question, that was downright insulting |
| 02:44.35 | Shirik | wow |
| 02:44.39 | Shirik | resistance bands are heavily underrated |
| 02:45.18 | cogwheel | way iz yoo |
| 02:45.28 | Iriel | I've been busy a lot , that's all. I dont hate you all |
| 02:45.54 | Shirik | tekkub |
| 02:46.02 | Shirik | what faction? |
| 02:46.12 | Thunder_Child | A |
| 02:46.34 | cogwheel | where are you |
| 02:46.40 | cogwheel | i come sign |
| 02:48.18 | Thunder_Child | SW |
| 02:49.34 | Shirik | wat |
| 02:49.38 | Shirik | how am I supposed to get to SW |
| 02:49.40 | tekkub | http://img.skitch.com/20100703-brfa7rmdqh2h3bj38mmf5pw9jm.png |
| 02:49.45 | Shirik | and what's your name |
| 02:49.47 | Thunder_Child | boat |
| 02:49.48 | Thunder_Child | port |
| 02:49.50 | Thunder_Child | run |
| 02:49.57 | tekkub | make a hooman |
| 02:49.58 | Thunder_Child | options are many |
| 02:50.05 | Shirik | name |
| 02:50.06 | Shirik | go |
| 02:50.20 | Thunder_Child | you name is go? go it |
| 02:50.24 | Shirik | .. |
| 02:50.34 | Seerah | omg - what did your screenshot do to my face, tekkub? :p |
| 02:50.42 | tekkub | BOOBAGE |
| 02:50.46 | Dagmar | Mirrors lie. |
| 02:51.49 | Seerah | tekkub: if you want boobage, you need the tabard icon of the hands groping the boobs |
| 02:54.22 | Shirik | omg |
| 02:54.25 | Shirik | what is your name |
| 02:54.27 | Shirik | I'm going to kill you |
| 02:54.47 | Thunder_Child | who? |
| 02:54.49 | Shirik | YOU |
| 02:54.55 | Thunder_Child | demented |
| 02:55.07 | Shirik | player not found |
| 02:55.15 | Thunder_Child | demented |
| 02:55.21 | Shirik | wtf server are you on |
| 02:55.24 | Thunder_Child | well i am here with cub |
| 02:55.26 | Thunder_Child | seerah |
| 02:55.28 | Thunder_Child | and cogwheel |
| 02:55.32 | Seerah | we're on the pve server |
| 02:55.34 | Shirik | fail |
| 02:55.36 | Shirik | faillllllllll |
| 02:55.39 | Seerah | who would test addons on a pvp server? :p |
| 02:55.42 | Torhal | Yes, Shirik, you did |
| 02:55.44 | Torhal | :D |
| 02:55.50 | Thunder_Child | Shirik the fail would it seems |
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| 02:57.04 | Thunder_Child | jars? |
| 02:57.23 | cogwheel | lol Seerah's being portal harrassed |
| 02:57.48 | cogwheel | !api guild |
| 02:57.48 | lua_bot | Found 113 possible matches for 'guild'. Please be more specific |
| 02:57.58 | cogwheel | !api promote |
| 02:57.58 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'promote': PromoteToLeader, GuildPromote, PromoteToAssistant, CanGuildPromote |
| 02:58.11 | cogwheel | !api guildpromote |
| 02:58.12 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'guildpromote': GuildPromote, CanGuildPromote |
| 02:58.15 | cogwheel | FU |
| 02:58.19 | cogwheel | gimmeh ma link! |
| 02:58.28 | Seerah | cogwheel: I totally didn't notice. now she left, so... |
| 02:58.33 | Seerah | and I still think that helm was ugly |
| 02:58.59 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* cant do beta and an ST run at the same time |
| 02:59.31 | Iriel | I'll be on later i imagine, hopefully we can have enough officers for then |
| 02:59.44 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: i never said i did |
| 03:00.35 | Shirik | I get no invites :( |
| 03:00.49 | Thunder_Child | tekkub is incharge |
| 03:02.02 | Thunder_Child | lol, i was so busy tabbing back and forth between the beta and my st run i didnt even know i leveled |
| 03:03.17 | Shadowed | At least until a GM notices |
| 03:03.19 | Shadowed | and we get reported |
| 03:03.55 | Torhal | !api GuildPromote$ |
| 03:03.56 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'GuildPromote$': GuildPromote, CanGuildPromote |
| 03:04.01 | Torhal | !api GuildPromote^ |
| 03:04.01 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GuildPromote^'. |
| 03:04.08 | Torhal | !api GuildPromote() |
| 03:04.08 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'GuildPromote()': GuildPromote, CanGuildPromote |
| 03:04.10 | Torhal | ... |
| 03:04.15 | Torhal | stabs lua_bot |
| 03:04.18 | foxlit | :match |
| 03:04.21 | foxlit | clearly |
| 03:04.25 | Torhal | Bah |
| 03:04.33 | Shadowed | tekkub you might be able to force the new guildUI to show and use that |
| 03:04.34 | foxlit | !api Guil%bdPromote |
| 03:04.34 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Guil%bdPromote'. |
| 03:04.36 | Shadowed | but I'm not sure if it's functional yet |
| 03:04.38 | foxlit | :( |
| 03:04.39 | Torhal | !api ^GuildPromote |
| 03:04.39 | lua_bot | GuildPromote: Increases a guild member's rank by one (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GuildPromote) |
| 03:04.42 | Torhal | Hah |
| 03:05.03 | Seerah | *ahem* wouldn't this be faster? :) |
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| 03:05.16 | Shadowed | Can the default ranks ginvite? |
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| 03:05.19 | Shadowed | I don't remember |
| 03:05.30 | Seerah | not by default. but you can give them permission to |
| 03:05.34 | foxlit | probably not |
| 03:05.43 | AbsolutRayne | Evening everyone |
| 03:05.47 | cogwheel | ohai |
| 03:05.54 | Shadowed | probably faster to try forcing the new one to load than figure out how to hack the awful permissions system :P |
| 03:06.41 | cogwheel | *sigh* |
| 03:07.16 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626576491&sid=2000&pageNo=1#10 |
| 03:07.18 | kd3 | ahaha, "The Bears Up T here" objective: "Climb up trees in the Whistling Grove, grab stranded Hyjal Bear Cubs, then hurl them at the Soft Target from the top of the tree. This is perfectly safe." |
| 03:07.24 | Thunder_Child | as a boomkin there is so much NR in ST i want to beat a small bear |
| 03:07.40 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Storm Peaks? |
| 03:07.51 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: what? |
| 03:07.55 | DWSR | Sorry. |
| 03:07.58 | DWSR | I was thinking Twin Peaks. |
| 03:08.01 | DWSR | And then I was like ST! |
| 03:08.04 | DWSR | And then I don't know. |
| 03:08.17 | Thunder_Child | sunken temple |
| 03:09.09 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 03:09.10 | DWSR | That too. |
| 03:09.12 | Thunder_Child | though someone has the scroll to summon hakkar which impresses me |
| 03:10.06 | foxlit | Only the dragons, really? |
| 03:10.15 | foxlit | Besides, moar moonfire spam. |
| 03:10.47 | Thunder_Child | that place is 90% dragons |
| 03:11.08 | foxlit | Then you aren't doing the whole place. |
| 03:11.19 | foxlit | There's plenty of trolls, too. |
| 03:11.31 | Thunder_Child | it's as bad a the rocks in mara |
| 03:11.39 | foxlit | And all sorts of random wormy trash that pulls all too easily even at 80. |
| 03:11.59 | Thunder_Child | all though they are immune |
| 03:14.40 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 03:14.50 | cogwheel | part of me is giddy and part of me is frustrated that they're going to disable McRun... |
| 03:15.06 | DWSR | Mcrun? |
| 03:15.13 | cogwheel | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25626576491/no-addons-for-the-duration-of-the-beta/ |
| 03:15.17 | Dagmar | cog: They know hte porno is coming |
| 03:15.20 | kd3 | "zomg I made the devs change something" |
| 03:15.29 | cogwheel | see the 2nd post by zarhym |
| 03:16.17 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 03:16.19 | DWSR | Be happy. |
| 03:16.24 | DWSR | You're a shit disturber. |
| 03:16.50 | foxlit | So they'll kill /run |
| 03:17.05 | foxlit | Amusing. |
| 03:17.58 | kd3 | hopefully not. my info-gathering macros use /run |
| 03:18.00 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:19.25 | foxlit | If they're intent on breaking cog's addon-macro, they'll have to. |
| 03:19.33 | Dagmar | cogwheel: Dude. The way I read that is "we're disabling this functionality while we're doing pure vanilla UI testing." |
| 03:19.38 | cogwheel | all they have to do is only parse macro lines that start with / |
| 03:20.08 | foxlit | disabling macros entirely seems like overkill, while killing /run is commenting out one framexml line |
| 03:20.13 | Dagmar | What Zarhym said seems to fall a long way from "McRun is dead, beyotches" |
| 03:20.37 | foxlit | "We plan to disable the ability to replicate addon functionality through macros in the next beta build" |
| 03:21.05 | cogwheel | Dagmar: my whole motivation was for the people who won't do any testing at all without certain features they get from addons |
| 03:21.07 | foxlit | Seems close enough to me. |
| 03:21.16 | cogwheel | and i didn't say they were disabling it forever :P |
| 03:21.18 | Dagmar | Well, this is about _testing_ the thing |
| 03:21.26 | Dagmar | Not testing whether you like it |
| 03:21.55 | cogwheel | see post #12 in the original thread imo... |
| 03:22.04 | Dagmar | Some folks seem to be looking at it like an opportunity to see how well they do in Cata, not hte othe rway around |
| 03:22.25 | cogwheel | Dagmar: it's been running throughout alpha |
| 03:22.32 | cogwheel | I created it ~ the 2nd week |
| 03:22.52 | cogwheel | and it had been pretty publicized through the community (while addons were disabled) |
| 03:22.57 | Dagmar | Yeah, and I'm guessing that someone handling bug reports may have gotten some that seem tangled up in whatever some folks are doing with McRun |
| 03:23.16 | cogwheel | That's why my posts in alpha forums all said don't submit bug reports |
| 03:23.27 | Dagmar | I looked at the original thread before I evenb spoke up |
| 03:23.36 | cogwheel | i'm not saying they're not justified |
| 03:23.44 | Dagmar | Well, yeah but they *want* bug reports right now... on the default UI |
| 03:23.47 | cogwheel | i'm not trying to stir shit up |
| 03:23.51 | Dagmar | Oh I know you're not |
| 03:24.08 | Dagmar | I'm just saying don't be surpised that 2-4 builds from now they undo whatever they did to block McRun |
| 03:24.15 | cogwheel | which is why i'm not even responding to the thread >< |
| 03:24.26 | cogwheel | i know that :P |
| 03:24.30 | Dagmar | Okay good |
| 03:24.55 | cogwheel | i edited in "NOTICE: McRun will be disabled in an upcoming beta patch, until addons are re-enabled" ... perhaps if they REALLY meant it they'll clarify :P |
| 03:25.24 | cogwheel | (i never even thought it could be interpreted as anything but temporary, tbqh) |
| 03:25.33 | cogwheel | (at least until you brought it up :P ) |
| 03:26.13 | Dagmar | I thought other people were gettng that idea |
| 03:26.19 | cogwheel | i'd be even giddier/more-frustrated if they came back with a "no, we meant permanently" |
| 03:26.45 | cogwheel | Dagmar: makes sense i would've missed it ;) |
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| 03:26.56 | Dagmar | Z seems to have learned that unless he constructs his sentences in very specific and precise ways, forum monkeys will infer all kinds of things from it |
| 03:27.06 | Dagmar | ...and some of them will anywa. |
| 03:27.16 | Dagmar | @#$@ can't type for crap tonight |
| 03:27.50 | Thunder_Child | thats me all the time |
| 03:29.05 | kd3 | my new favorite quest: http://wowi.pastey.net/138235 |
| 03:29.50 | Dagmar | Splatter-bears? |
| 03:29.56 | kd3 | yes |
| 03:30.27 | Dagmar | Now the question is, do they have tiny exposed canines |
| 03:31.01 | Dagmar | http://harleyxxquinnx.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/dropbear.jpg |
| 03:34.06 | Torhal | repeatedly stabs Steam for being fucktards and refusing to take his money for the second day in a row. |
| 03:34.22 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: that doesnt sound like steam |
| 03:34.54 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: They were saying my card was declined yesterday. I even called my bank, who basically said "WTF?" and that they didn't see any declines, nor should there be any |
| 03:35.06 | Torhal | There were massive posts on the forums about people having the same issue |
| 03:35.20 | Thunder_Child | then they arent refusing |
| 03:35.27 | Torhal | I was finally able to buy late last night...but tonight it's the same story. "Declined" |
| 03:35.35 | Thunder_Child | thats the part that confused me |
| 03:35.56 | Torhal | Their system is erroneously telling people that their cards are being declined. |
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| 03:58.10 | Seerah | kd3: omg, that's so funny :) |
| 03:58.13 | PProvost | So is basically any addon that is hooking SetItemRef trashing my item links now? |
| 03:58.28 | PProvost | I've had broken item links since the patch |
| 03:58.37 | PProvost | And thought I saw someone mention that |
| 04:06.21 | cogwheel | yay weekend night caffeine |
| 04:08.12 | PProvost | lol me too |
| 04:08.19 | PProvost | gigantic mt dew |
| 04:09.23 | cogwheel | 12 oz iced glass of home brewed medium roast (probably ~200-250mg) |
| 04:10.57 | PProvost | coffee gives me belly problems |
| 04:11.02 | PProvost | drank too much when I was young |
| 04:11.15 | cogwheel | i'm pretty sure that'll happen to me >< |
| 04:11.19 | Seerah | coffee tastes yucky :) |
| 04:11.43 | cogwheel | i like lots of yucky things :P |
| 04:11.50 | Seerah | :) |
| 04:12.08 | cogwheel | "coffee doesn't taste yucky! coffee is wonderful!" - Mikina |
| 04:12.26 | Seerah | Love ya, Miki, but you cannot sway me! |
| 04:12.53 | Thunder_Child | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/dcc6/ |
| 04:13.07 | Thunder_Child | i'm with Seerah on this |
| 04:13.27 | Thunder_Child | but then i dont like chocolate, so my word isnt very reliable |
| 04:14.23 | Seerah | blasphemy |
| 04:17.04 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/storage/rambus-mixes-ram-with-cpu-101944.php |
| 04:17.06 | cogwheel | i'll be sure to spill my mocha on you next time i see you |
| 04:19.28 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: I think perhaps that article is as close to useless as possible |
| 04:19.29 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 04:20.00 | Dagmar | It's vague, doesn't seem to be describing something practically useful, and then you see: "[Edited for clarity. John, it appears, is taking too much medication. - Ed.]" |
| 04:20.32 | Dagmar | More attention to memory is good tho |
| 04:20.49 | Dagmar | Just wish it weren't RAMBUS doing it |
| 04:21.46 | cogwheel | ahh weren't those the days... |
| 04:22.44 | Dagmar | Meh. Not really. |
| 04:22.51 | Dagmar | They werne't interested in being useful to computing. |
| 04:23.00 | Dagmar | They were interested in taking credit for everyone else's work |
| 04:27.23 | Shirik | so I bought a jumprope |
| 04:27.29 | Shirik | it came with instructions |
| 04:28.34 | |Jelly| | . . . |
| 04:29.00 | Dewin | warning: tripping hazard? |
| 04:30.39 | Shirik | actually no it says nothing about a tripping hazard |
| 04:30.54 | Shirik | however "Exercise programs and products of any kind present an inherent danger to the participant, serious or fatal injury can occur" |
| 04:31.06 | Shirik | wtf "patent pending" |
| 04:36.14 | Seerah | wow :) |
| 04:42.24 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/medical/the-viagra-condom-101821.php |
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| 04:52.49 | kd3 | 'lo seerah |
| 04:52.56 | Seerah | :) |
| 04:53.03 | cogwheel | Shirik: every time i see "patent pending" it reminds me of pez. http://www.google.com/patents?id=4_AbAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false |
| 04:53.19 | cogwheel | ^ was still pending when i first noticed the term |
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| 05:03.32 | Shirik | interesting: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/article.php/3801006/Googles-Business-Model-YOU-Are-the-Product.htm |
| 05:03.48 | Shirik | not much "new" in there but interesting topic for thought |
| 05:06.30 | cogwheel | Shirik: ding 3000 >< |
| 05:06.35 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:06.50 | Shirik | cogwheel : Stack Overflow :: Shirik : Wikipedia |
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| 05:07.26 | cogwheel | purple? |
| 05:07.34 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:07.43 | cogwheel | /random |
| 05:08.35 | cogwheel | i have lots of caffeine fighting with lots of sleep hormones (i had started to write caffeine hormones, e.g.) |
| 05:10.17 | Thunder_Child | why cogwheel, why caffeine so lat in the day? |
| 05:10.55 | Shirik | you should have Casein instead |
| 05:11.10 | cogwheel | c'est le weekend? |
| 05:11.33 | cogwheel | 21:06 < cogwheel> yay weekend night caffeine |
| 05:12.03 | cogwheel | (no i didn't miss the "lat") |
| 05:12.13 | Thunder_Child | "Broadband should be a god-given right in every country, but today Finland becomes the first country to make it a legal right for each and every citizen." |
| 05:12.22 | cogwheel | -_ |
| 05:12.25 | cogwheel | +- |
| 05:12.50 | Shirik | as a result, Finland has destroyed the internet economy in their country |
| 05:12.56 | cogwheel | (yes, my enter key is next to my -) |
| 05:13.32 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it Shirik |
| 05:13.47 | Thunder_Child | think of car insurance in the US |
| 05:13.57 | Thunder_Child | government mandated, but no controll |
| 05:13.59 | Thunder_Child | control* |
| 05:15.19 | Thunder_Child | "A group of consumer electronics manufacturers got together and finalized the specifications of a new A/V cable standard. It's called HDBaseT and is based on standard CAT5e/6—meaning we should wind up paying less for our home theater wiring." because we really needed more connections |
| 05:15.51 | cogwheel | mandate vs. welfare imo |
| 05:16.18 | cogwheel | can't think of a better analogy tho |
| 05:20.39 | Thunder_Child | lol, there is a rickroll link on the zappos site |
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| 05:25.29 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, Iriel, you guys planing to take some shots of teh fireworks this weekend? |
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| 05:26.17 | Iriel | Fireworks? |
| 05:26.26 | Thunder_Child | it is july 4th |
| 05:26.33 | Iriel | I live below a mountain covered in flammable grass |
| 05:26.48 | Thunder_Child | A------------B |
| 05:26.54 | Thunder_Child | point a, to point b |
| 05:28.27 | cogwheel | one time i saw fireworks over the golden gate bridge. The other times i saw loud, colored fog... |
| 05:28.58 | Seerah | you saw it was loud? |
| 05:29.06 | cogwheel | i know, right? |
| 05:29.17 | Seerah | must have been pretty loud :) |
| 05:30.28 | cogwheel | actually, there were some pretty impressive videos of <icelandic volcano that no one can spell or pronounce> where you could see the shock waves from the eruption. I'd call that seeing something loud ;) |
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| 05:34.02 | cogwheel | Seerah: i think i have ambiguity on my side... gogo English ;) |
| 05:34.27 | cogwheel | i saw (loud, colored fog) |
| 05:39.27 | cogwheel | Shirik: one of the Lua leads ( http://stackoverflow.com/users/107090/lhf ) is active on SO |
| 05:39.37 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel: http://gizmodo.com/5575845/the-wafflesicle-maker-has-changed-breakfast-forever ! |
| 05:40.04 | cogwheel | i no rite? |
| 05:40.18 | Thunder_Child | i want a wafflesicle now |
| 05:41.58 | NeoTron | good idea to read any NDA you agree to |
| 05:42.21 | NeoTron | ADDENDUM A, PERMITTED DISCLOSURES: 1. The fact that there is a Game Program. 2. The fact that you are a member of the Game Program. |
| 05:42.48 | NeoTron | so.. yeah. SW:TOR beta exists and I'm in it... and that's all I can say |
| 05:43.04 | Thunder_Child | but why would you want to? |
| 05:43.17 | NeoTron | to taunt you? |
| 05:43.25 | Thunder_Child | hardly |
| 05:43.32 | Thunder_Child | i thought Kotor was crap |
| 05:43.57 | NeoTron | heh. I played kotor rather recently. liked it even though it was old |
| 05:44.09 | A-KO | I think TOR is just going to flop |
| 05:44.09 | NeoTron | kotor 2 wasn't as good story-wise but had somewhat better ui |
| 05:44.19 | NeoTron | Unlikely |
| 05:44.26 | A-KO | unless it's free to play |
| 05:44.27 | NeoTron | I think worst case, it's a grander scope KOTOR |
| 05:44.29 | A-KO | it's very likely |
| 05:45.05 | NeoTron | well I can't say anything, even though at this point I don't know anything anyway |
| 05:46.08 | A-KO | first of all, just because there's a huge star wars fanbase, doesn't mean there's a huge MMO-playing star wars fanbase. It spans many, many games, movies, clothing, accessories, etc. Second of all, aren't they aiming for something along the lines of "every quest is read to you by an NPC" |
| 05:46.08 | A-KO | okay |
| 05:46.28 | A-KO | so you have WoW, and it's very popular, and one of the most popular addons of all time has been an addon that points out on the map exactly where you need to go to do quests |
| 05:46.40 | A-KO | and they honestly think a game that slows down quest flow is going to do well in that market? |
| 05:47.12 | NeoTron | hmm. SWG |
| 05:47.23 | A-KO | MMORPGs are less about "RPG" and more about "MMO" |
| 05:47.29 | A-KO | likely about 70/30 split |
| 05:47.45 | NeoTron | maybe because, mainly, MMO's been made to be mostly MMO rather than RPG |
| 05:47.54 | A-KO | no, it's because people don't want them |
| 05:47.57 | A-KO | flat out |
| 05:47.58 | NeoTron | I don't think anyone has attempted to do what they are doing with TOR before |
| 05:48.05 | A-KO | and it's all a huge waste |
| 05:48.16 | NeoTron | well I won't be looking for you |
| 05:48.19 | A-KO | the production cost is just way too high, it won't be sustainable to do voice-acting for everyone. |
| 05:48.28 | NeoTron | I actually listen to all dialog in fallout 3, Mass Effect etc |
| 05:48.43 | A-KO | not to mention the inevitable "oh, shit, we need to redesign the quest flow because we missed a good chunk of the leveling experience." |
| 05:48.44 | NeoTron | Err. Didn't EQ2 have voice acting? |
| 05:48.47 | Thunder_Child | a perfect example of the fanbase to mmo thins is the star trek mmo |
| 05:48.52 | NeoTron | they are hardly the first MMO with voice acting |
| 05:48.53 | Thunder_Child | thing* |
| 05:49.07 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: I'm not a star trek fan(atic) in any way but I actually find it quite fun |
| 05:49.18 | NeoTron | mind you, I suspect once I reach max level it'll be less fun |
| 05:49.36 | Thunder_Child | did they ever fix the away missions? |
| 05:49.43 | Thunder_Child | i played in beta |
| 05:49.49 | A-KO | Nothing is going to even come close to toppling WoW until they mirror WoW and beat it at its own game |
| 05:50.09 | A-KO | all these games going "har har look we're doing something WoW doesn't do!" are immediately going to fail |
| 05:50.13 | A-KO | Why? Because WoW is popular for a reason |
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| 05:50.48 | Thunder_Child | ok, hitting ctrl+q, bad idea |
| 05:51.01 | A-KO | WoW beats the free-to-play MMO games in subscriber numbers, at a $15/month fee--which isn't exactly super cheap. |
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| 05:51.12 | A-KO | it's popular, ya gotta match it and beat it |
| 05:51.16 | NeoTron | I have only had a bug with a mission once - it didn't complete correcty. Did it again and it worked |
| 05:51.27 | A-KO | the very fact that they don't bother even trying means they're going to fall flat on their face |
| 05:51.35 | NeoTron | A-KO: "beating or coming close to wow" is not a requirement for a successful game |
| 05:51.59 | A-KO | NeoTron: for the amount of money they're shoving into TOR, I would imagine it would have to get up there. |
| 05:51.59 | NeoTron | you don't need 10 million subscribers to be successful |
| 05:52.35 | nevcairiel | anyway, there still hasnt been a game that was successful, 10 million or not |
| 05:52.41 | nevcairiel | they all failed and pretty much vanished |
| 05:52.51 | NeoTron | I am sure you know how much money they are putting into it (yeah I'm aware it's probably a lot but you have no clue what it actually is) |
| 05:53.19 | A-KO | NeoTron: Well, each voice actor costs a lot more than a few people writing quest text for WoW |
| 05:53.21 | NeoTron | some have vanished, many remain. heck even SWG is still here and getting new development |
| 05:53.24 | A-KO | the studio |
| 05:53.31 | NeoTron | and that's a great example of something that failed in a bad way |
| 05:53.40 | A-KO | the studio costs, the audio engineers, the voice actors |
| 05:54.10 | A-KO | extra costs to animate the NPCs (if they are doing any sort of psuedo-attempts at lip-syncing) |
| 05:54.22 | A-KO | for each and every quest |
| 05:54.39 | A-KO | in an *MMO* environment |
| 05:54.40 | nevcairiel | maybe they just save in quest quantity then :p |
| 05:54.41 | NeoTron | I am pretty sure they are aware of what they are doing |
| 05:55.12 | A-KO | nevcairiel: that's a possibility, maybe they've come up with another system of leveling that goes outside the formula for MMORPGs--would be interesting, but I doubt it. |
| 05:55.28 | A-KO | or maybe they have fewer quests but each quest takes 2-3x as long to do as a quest in WoW |
| 05:55.50 | A-KO | "I need you to run all the way across the planet and pick me 3 flowers that grow in this field." |
| 05:56.11 | A-KO | "Thanks for the flowers, now I need you to fly across the galaxy and run across this planet to get these next 3 flowers" |
| 05:57.13 | NeoTron | it's proably pretty safe that it'll be similar to Mass Effect and Kotor |
| 05:58.48 | airtonix | <auto-pilot: calculate shortest path> |
| 05:58.59 | airtonix | <five hours later> |
| 05:59.05 | airtonix | <course outline> |
| 05:59.11 | airtonix | fuuu |
| 05:59.20 | NeoTron | airtonix: eve? :P |
| 06:00.01 | airtonix | <error: course outline takes you through hostile systems> |
| 06:00.08 | airtonix | <recalculate> |
| 06:00.10 | A-KO | take the safe system |
| 06:00.14 | A-KO | takes 5 years to travel |
| 06:00.28 | airtonix | <your game client has crash> |
| 06:00.34 | airtonix | ed |
| 06:01.13 | airtonix | i am so gonna make that meth lab when incarna comes out |
| 06:02.37 | airtonix | did you see those dev videos? you'll be able to design the interior floor plans of any rented station habitat module you install |
| 06:03.01 | airtonix | fashizzle |
| 06:03.35 | NeoTron | what is incarna? |
| 06:03.48 | NeoTron | Anyone tried All Points Bulletin? |
| 06:03.56 | airtonix | no |
| 06:04.13 | NeoTron | it does have some sweet customization but seems rather shallow from an rpg point of view |
| 06:04.25 | NeoTron | more like a shooter (well it IS a shooter) |
| 06:04.37 | airtonix | not playing another pvp twitch game that requries < 10ms latency to be fun |
| 06:05.15 | Thunder_Child | that does make me want to go back and play CS;S |
| 06:05.21 | Thunder_Child | s/;/:/ |
| 06:05.25 | airtonix | NeoTron, what are the possibilites for creating bases ? |
| 06:06.13 | airtonix | or is it just mmo fps in a big world map ? |
| 06:06.34 | NeoTron | I think having a human avatar is going to make eve online a lot more attractive |
| 06:06.41 | NeoTron | it's definitely one of the things that turned me off |
| 06:07.05 | NeoTron | airtonix: haven't tried it but from what I've heard it's lacking persistance right now |
| 06:07.14 | NeoTron | but apparently something they are planning to do |
| 06:07.33 | NeoTron | right now it just seems more like just mmo fps on 100 player maps (pretty large, with cars and stuff) |
| 06:07.45 | airtonix | :( |
| 06:09.10 | NeoTron | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WhOTrc5554 that impressed me somewhat |
| 06:09.22 | NeoTron | just from a customization point of ivew |
| 06:14.53 | airtonix | oo that tatto thing is awesome |
| 06:15.31 | NeoTron | of course cool character customization doesn't make for a fun game |
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| 06:53.34 | Dagmar | NeoTron: That depends. I know I had a ton of fun making offensive T-shirts, things like that |
| 06:54.04 | Dagmar | Chick toon with "EASY MODE" on the shirt. Enforcer with "Be nice to me -- I might be your dad" |
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| 06:57.56 | Dagmar | NeoTron: I *expected* the decal generator to be a lot more primitive than it is, but it's actually pretty intuitive |
| 06:58.33 | Dagmar | THe only reason I haven't bought it to mess with it is my gf kinda sucks at it...soo... nothing but strife to be had there |
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| 07:08.55 | Iriel | Anyone here play alliance on Proudmoore? |
| 07:18.11 | kd3 | oh, and here's the formatted version of "The Bears Up There" that I posted earlier... http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:The_Bears_Up_There |
| 07:18.18 | NightHawkTheSane | I thought someone here did.. I want to say Wobin, but i'm really just guessing. |
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| 07:39.03 | Fisker | zomg kd3 |
| 07:39.08 | Fisker | Blizzard is breaking the lawl |
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| 08:01.28 | Fisker | PWNT cog|sleep |
| 08:01.29 | Fisker | PWNT |
| 08:01.30 | Fisker | pWNED |
| 08:01.31 | Fisker | PWNT |
| 08:01.49 | Fister | fisker sucks |
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| 08:02.55 | Fisker | looooooooooooool |
| 08:02.56 | Fisker | QQQ |
| 08:03.02 | Fisker | "OMG THANKS FOR INVITING SPOILER SITES" |
| 08:03.09 | Fisker | yeah if they invited you, you wouldn't be spoiled, right? |
| 08:03.11 | Fisker | duh. |
| 08:03.51 | mikma | huh, take your pills already |
| 08:04.07 | Fisker | just the usual QQ |
| 08:04.16 | Fisker | someone cancelling his account because he wasn't invited to the beta |
| 08:04.23 | Fisker | and was furious that sites who spoiled the game did |
| 08:04.36 | Fisker | if he's so worried about having spoiled the game, why play the beta to begin with? |
| 08:04.50 | mikma | well so? he's propably like 10 |
| 08:05.00 | Xinhuan | maybe playing it yourself isn't considered spoiled |
| 08:05.28 | Xinhuan | since its only considered spoiled if you knew about things not thru your own efforts |
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| 08:12.16 | Fisker | i disagree Xinhuan |
| 08:15.42 | Bruners | not that hard to not visit <insert spoiler site> |
| 08:19.18 | batrick | is there going to be an author beta key giveaway like in previous betas? |
| 08:21.17 | Cide | previous beta* |
| 08:21.32 | batrick | wasn't there one for BC? |
| 08:21.36 | nevcairiel | there was |
| 08:21.37 | Cide | nope |
| 08:21.38 | Iriel | I imagine its too early to know |
| 08:21.47 | nevcairiel | of course there was Cide |
| 08:21.50 | batrick | well cata beta started...! |
| 08:22.43 | Cide | Massive Mod Author Wrath of the Lich King Beta Key Give-Away |
| 08:22.54 | nevcairiel | I do hope for it being done, also being done sooner then later, but considering there aren't even addons allowed yet, it doesn't seem like its going to happen soon =( |
| 08:23.02 | Cide | Massive Mod Author Burning Crusade Beta Key Give-Away and more! |
| 08:23.03 | Cide | fine |
| 08:23.04 | mikma | there was one for bc too |
| 08:23.07 | Cairenn | working on it guys, hang in there |
| 08:23.08 | Cide | you win this time |
| 08:23.21 | mikma | damn gravity, you win again |
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| 08:25.16 | mikma | tekkub: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/to_fist.jpg |
| 08:25.54 | batrick | lol... mmo-champion talent tree for mages lists Presence of Mind as a 1.5 second cooldown |
| 08:26.05 | Fisker | they've disabled addons anyway |
| 08:26.17 | Fisker | including cog|sleep's stuff |
| 08:26.28 | Fisker | which i wouldn't pust past them to implement into live as well |
| 08:26.31 | Fisker | thanks a lot cog|sleep |
| 08:26.34 | Fisker | you jerk. |
| 08:26.44 | mikma | what are you talking about, again |
| 08:26.54 | mikma | who disabled what addons |
| 08:27.12 | Fisker | Blizzard, duh? |
| 08:27.52 | mikma | where, what, and why |
| 08:28.09 | Fisker | Because they want the default UI tested a lot |
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| 08:28.22 | Fisker | they've decided to disable all addons |
| 08:28.38 | Fisker | so i figure the need for addon authors getting beta access is not a top priority at the moment |
| 08:32.59 | Xinhuan | its odd when fisker makes sense sometimes |
| 08:33.40 | Fisker | i sensed you into oblivion Xinhuan |
| 08:33.40 | Cairenn | hello wall, nice to see you, how are you doing tonight? |
| 08:33.53 | Xinhuan | wall is that way, don't bang your head on it |
| 08:33.55 | Xinhuan | -----> |
| 08:33.58 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 08:33.59 | Fisker | maybe there's a beta invite for making sense? |
| 08:36.02 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:38.01 | zenzelezz | "Russia's unmanned cargo ship Progress 38 missed docking with the ISS and sailed right on by it instead of docking on autopilot. A telemetry lock between the Russian-made Progress module and the space station was lost and the module flew past at a safe distance" - oops |
| 08:38.25 | batrick | anyone have any opinions on SeaGate? |
| 08:41.18 | Fisker | i hate gates, especially at sea |
| 08:41.27 | Fisker | what is a gate even doing in the sea? |
| 08:41.29 | Fisker | it makes no sense |
| 08:43.05 | Xinhuan | seagates produces the quietest harddisks imo, and is perfect for home users |
| 08:43.07 | Xinhuan | even after years |
| 08:43.58 | batrick | I'm thinking about buying 4 of these for a ZFS RAIDZ1 Array: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 |
| 08:44.11 | batrick | price is right (79.99 for 1.5TB) |
| 08:44.46 | Xinhuan | :o |
| 08:46.54 | Fisker | oh you mean Seagate |
| 08:48.52 | Xinhuan | my maxtor harddisk makes the craziest sounds after like 2-3 years lol |
| 08:51.14 | batrick | i'm a bit leery after reading some of the comments |
| 08:51.35 | batrick | I'm usually a fan of WD drives but i've heard they get nasty performance in ZFS |
| 08:51.50 | Fisker | ooooh nasty |
| 08:52.04 | batrick | I think I'll just wait until Sunday when Newegg is likely to do something crazy |
| 08:52.22 | Fisker | like blow shit up? |
| 08:52.29 | batrick | yes fisker |
| 08:53.24 | Fisker | sweet |
| 08:54.49 | Fisker | hugefart |
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| 11:32.21 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Cataclysm Closed Beta Test Begins http://cot.ag/9v2zkv || Cata beta download category & forum now open http://cot.ag/ci9MHP |
| 11:33.35 | bleeter | "I'm going to make an alt named Ackbar, get him up to Bloodsail Admiral, for the sole purpose of replying "IT'S A TRAP" to posts asking if phishing e-mails are real." |
| 11:34.00 | Fisker | fuckers |
| 11:34.01 | Fisker | FUCKERS |
| 11:34.24 | Fisker | i hate people bleeter |
| 11:34.39 | bleeter | i hate you |
| 11:34.41 | Fisker | someone had both his battle.net accounts enabled for the cataclysm beta |
| 11:34.47 | bleeter | heh |
| 11:34.57 | Fisker | GUESS YOUR DETECTION MECHANISMS TO ENSURE THE SAME PERSON NOT GETTING MULTIPLE INVITES WORKED GREAT |
| 11:35.01 | Fisker | rage |
| 11:35.25 | bleeter | well something must be going right |
| 11:35.35 | bleeter | they aint invited me yet |
| 11:35.53 | bleeter | so stop yer bitchin |
| 11:36.53 | Fisker | we must rage together |
| 11:37.02 | bleeter | RRRAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR |
| 11:37.09 | bleeter | like that? |
| 11:37.24 | Fisker | RRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGH |
| 11:37.26 | Fisker | like that |
| 11:37.35 | bleeter | not that I could play if they let me in |
| 11:38.00 | Fisker | and i guess a bunch of invites will be given out through twatter and failbook |
| 11:38.10 | bleeter | wtb: [new hands] |
| 11:39.15 | Zyn | do ho ho ho |
| 11:39.22 | bleeter | prolly some on irc n fansites n stuff |
| 11:39.23 | Fisker | i think i'll go into glenn beck mode |
| 11:39.25 | Fisker | Blizzard is hitler |
| 11:39.35 | bleeter | u do that Fisker lol |
| 11:39.35 | Fisker | beta invites = concentration camps |
| 11:39.58 | bleeter | beta invite => invite to be a communist |
| 11:40.43 | bleeter | passes Fisker and Zyn the whiskey |
| 11:43.05 | Zyn | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688889/thou_upset.jpg |
| 11:46.56 | Fisker | omg Zyn |
| 11:47.05 | Fisker | i do actually want to destroy you |
| 11:47.12 | Zyn | :C |
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| 11:51.38 | olafski | nice one :P |
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| 11:58.34 | bleeter | hugs Zyn |
| 11:58.55 | Fisker | no bleeter |
| 11:58.56 | Fisker | hate him |
| 11:59.14 | bleeter | hates Fisker |
| 12:01.53 | Kalroth | aww |
| 12:02.43 | Fisker | no bleeter |
| 12:02.44 | Fisker | HATE ZYN |
| 12:02.46 | Fisker | EVERYBODY |
| 12:02.47 | Fisker | GET IN HERE |
| 12:03.24 | Zyn | no |
| 12:03.33 | Fisker | yes |
| 12:03.36 | Fisker | you will be hated |
| 12:03.57 | Fisker | and i will be betaed |
| 12:04.19 | Fisker | and you cannot stop me Zyn |
| 12:05.18 | Zyn | here comes the part where I tell you I was in alpha even |
| 12:07.24 | bleeter | ssoidh |
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| 12:26.58 | bleeter | Zyn: wait.. we're still stuck with that PoS default bag? argh! |
| 12:27.07 | bleeter | ;) :P |
| 12:27.14 | Zyn | enjoy the peice of shit default bag |
| 12:27.24 | bleeter | loves it |
| 12:27.30 | bleeter | almost as much as i love this hot choc |
| 12:32.51 | olafski | how can you see that from that screenshot? :o |
| 12:32.58 | olafski | except that it has the same icon |
| 12:33.19 | bleeter | oh fuck, it's the purple joke... |
| 12:33.29 | bleeter | 'but in purple, i am stunning' |
| 12:33.56 | bleeter | olafski: comes with being in australia, the future n all |
| 12:38.58 | bleeter | goes back to trying to work out why EA accept '*' as a password char at signup but not at password input |
| 12:42.13 | Zyn | http://stream.shatteredminds.net/ |
| 12:42.16 | Zyn | Dotty tiem |
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| 12:46.18 | g0urra | Hello, could someone help me with Grid? The health bars seem to be full even if people aren't at full health but is getting heals |
| 12:52.17 | bleeter | Zyn: the video title panel in the bottom left is annoying, can't reade /trade lol |
| 12:52.25 | Zyn | good |
| 12:52.32 | Zyn | it's only germans anyway |
| 12:52.40 | Zyn | "wuts english?" |
| 12:53.17 | bleeter | ur void sux |
| 12:53.52 | Zyn | pets get stuck everywhere |
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| 12:55.09 | bleeter | Zyn: cute song lol |
| 12:56.02 | bleeter | haha cheers, smile to an ill man's face :) |
| 12:58.13 | bleeter | Zyn: only thing that song is missing, is a reference to 'turducken' |
| 13:01.39 | bleeter | dotty's water games quest, eh? hmmm |
| 13:02.43 | Fisker | your sense of music is bad and you should feel bad Zyn |
| 13:02.50 | Zyn | orly |
| 13:02.52 | Zyn | hold on |
| 13:02.58 | Fisker | owned Zyn |
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| 13:03.08 | Fisker | not much better |
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| 13:03.40 | Zyn | I dont have any of your favorite Justin Bieber tracks |
| 13:03.49 | bleeter | :( |
| 13:03.50 | Fisker | i don't justin bieber |
| 13:04.06 | Fisker | but what is that shit? |
| 13:04.09 | Fisker | some kind of pop rock? |
| 13:04.15 | bleeter | i turned it off |
| 13:04.16 | Fisker | oh wat |
| 13:04.33 | Fisker | i thought that was from one of the broken concept arts |
| 13:04.42 | Fisker | the ogr thingy |
| 13:04.45 | Fisker | ogre* |
| 13:05.03 | Fisker | LOL |
| 13:05.07 | Fisker | We must push little cart |
| 13:05.58 | alestane | That was...the goblin starting area, yes? |
| 13:05.59 | Fisker | failure |
| 13:06.07 | Fisker | naw it's azshara |
| 13:06.25 | bleeter | lol |
| 13:06.31 | Fisker | it's your own damn fault Zyn |
| 13:06.54 | Fisker | fu |
| 13:07.47 | Fisker | that's not how fire extinguishers work |
| 13:08.32 | Fisker | have you ever considered walking in front of it Zyn ? |
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| 13:09.36 | Fisker | damn |
| 13:09.42 | Fisker | the new quest interface is only for remote quests |
| 13:09.45 | Fisker | that's kind of disappointing |
| 13:09.57 | Fisker | that's from classic actually |
| 13:10.00 | Fisker | tuurd |
| 13:10.02 | Fisker | :3 |
| 13:14.29 | Fisker | how is the bag situation in cataclysm? |
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| 13:15.01 | Fisker | wtf was that evocation? |
| 13:16.21 | Fisker | not a very secret lab :o |
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| 13:17.16 | Fisker | aww |
| 13:18.10 | Fisker | have you seen azuregos btw? |
| 13:18.37 | Zyn | think he is gone or moved |
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| 13:18.53 | Fisker | ;( |
| 13:19.11 | Fisker | what about itemization? |
| 13:19.19 | Fisker | any stuff like gems in low levels now? |
| 13:19.39 | Fisker | i.e. sockets |
| 13:20.00 | Zyn | neg |
| 13:20.26 | Fisker | would've been a great time to start doing so |
| 13:20.49 | Fisker | though i guess they probably don't want to see low levels decked in cataclysm gems |
| 13:22.51 | Fisker | one day i'll find you Zyn |
| 13:22.53 | Fisker | then gank you |
| 13:22.58 | alestane | To do that They'd have to do like they started doing with enchants, and require minimum user levels for xocketing advanced gems. |
| 13:23.03 | alestane | socketing* |
| 13:23.15 | Fisker | if it means i have to pay for my horde characters being alliance then transfer them to the beta realm |
| 13:23.32 | Fisker | saw a hunter a couple of days ago |
| 13:23.36 | Fisker | with full arp gems :D |
| 13:23.41 | Fisker | he was level 70 or so |
| 13:23.48 | Fisker | they were BC items |
| 13:24.03 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 13:25.34 | Fisker | anyway i must simply be given a beta sylvanaar |
| 13:25.39 | bleeter | i wanna know if dartol's rod gives a /dance animation yet |
| 13:32.42 | alestane | Not sure, bleeter, but I know it only works in Ashenvale. |
| 13:33.51 | bleeter | alestane: they brought that back? lame! |
| 13:34.17 | alestane | It was never intended to be a general-purpose furbolg costume. |
| 13:34.44 | zenzelezz | just like I'm sure we weren't meant to be bringing Arch Mage Vargoth to the Lich King fight, etc |
| 13:35.33 | bleeter | yeah but it was given casting animations, seems like a lot of work for 5 seconds of quest |
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| 13:37.35 | bleeter | 'wasn't intended for people to have general purpose fun' |
| 13:38.20 | alestane | The furbolg model has to have casting animations for all the furbolg shaman and geomancers and whatnot. |
| 13:38.44 | alestane | Also, I think they're trying to avoid handing people an incentive to not finish a quest. |
| 13:38.54 | bleeter | pretty sure originally dartol's transform didn't do it, but was added over a number of patches |
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| 13:39.15 | Zyn | sure is healers crashing on porting |
| 13:40.59 | alestane | That doesn't necessarily indicate intention, bleeter. Sometimes things like that actually end up getting implemented as a result of fixing unrelated bugs. |
| 13:41.11 | amro | alestane: when did they reinstate that? |
| 13:41.19 | amro | they just changed the tooltips, it still works everywhere |
| 13:41.25 | bleeter | alestane: still sounds like nerfing fun for the sake of it |
| 13:41.44 | amro | they already nerfed it once in 1.x, but they brought it back afterward |
| 13:41.48 | alestane | If you think "lol ima furbolg" is fun. |
| 13:41.56 | amro | it doesn't sound like they'd nerf it again |
| 13:42.04 | bleeter | amro: they tried to nerf it, forums melted down. didn't go live, but tooltip did. |
| 13:42.21 | alestane | I didn't actually try it outside, but I know the tooltip on Cataclysm says that it can only be used in Ashenvale. |
| 13:42.25 | amro | I'd test to be sure but I cba to log in |
| 13:42.31 | amro | tthe tooltips say that for a while |
| 13:42.35 | amro | but it still works elsewhere |
| 13:42.35 | bleeter | alestane: it's something to do while waiting for dungeon or bg queue to pop :P |
| 13:42.44 | alestane | ...hilarious, I'm sure. |
| 13:43.53 | amro | alestane: there are plenty of flavor items that give you a different model |
| 13:43.58 | alestane | Well, I suppose it's a reason to test the new night elf baby experience. |
| 13:45.59 | alestane | How many of them are quest items that you're suppose to relinquish to complete the quest? |
| 13:46.22 | amro | well, it' |
| 13:46.24 | amro | s not a quest item |
| 13:46.49 | amro | either way, the rest of the questline sucks |
| 13:46.59 | amro | it might as well end when you get the rod |
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| 13:47.24 | alestane | And it's been revamped significantly. |
| 13:47.25 | bleeter | it's like one of them crappy quest poem books but not |
| 13:47.28 | bleeter | or photo |
| 13:47.37 | alestane | FURBLOG REVOLUTION!! |
| 13:47.43 | alestane | er, furbolg* |
| 13:48.47 | Zyn | KOREAN MASTER HEALER |
| 13:50.07 | alestane | I had not previously noted that they redid the character screen. |
| 13:51.53 | Maldivia | they just did in lastest patch |
| 13:52.14 | A-KO | technically, a patch before that :P |
| 13:53.13 | Maldivia | ? |
| 14:00.15 | amro | Argentina vs Germany! |
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| 14:03.58 | amro | rofl germany scores |
| 14:04.02 | amro | this is going to be fun |
| 14:05.26 | alestane | It took me a moment to figure out why yesterday the Lua mailing list published an announcement from one of the creators that due to "technical reasons," the list would no longer accept messages from .nl domains. |
| 14:05.39 | alestane | Turns out the Netherlands had just beaten Brasil. |
| 14:11.31 | Maldivia | lol |
| 14:12.00 | Zyn | rubs his sweaty back against Fisker |
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| 14:36.03 | Fisker | Zyn |
| 14:36.05 | Fisker | i love you |
| 14:36.10 | Fisker | but i want beta access |
| 14:36.18 | Zyn | start praying |
| 14:36.38 | Fisker | i would _never_ pray |
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| 14:39.26 | Thunder_Child | start giving BJ's then |
| 14:39.37 | Thunder_Child | s/start/continue/ |
| 14:42.28 | Fisker | in b4 author keys are gained that way |
| 14:42.30 | Fisker | runs |
| 14:42.55 | Tuller | cookies aren't sufficient? |
| 14:44.47 | Fisker | that or the cookies are bad |
| 15:22.52 | foxlit | Author keys are a weird concept anyway |
| 15:23.07 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom is a weird concept. |
| 15:23.12 | foxlit | Dump 4.0 on the PTR, and you don't need to bother with them. |
| 15:23.50 | jnwhiteh | if you dump 4.0 on the PTR |
| 15:23.53 | jnwhiteh | what is the point of a closed beta? |
| 15:24.03 | foxlit | Actual gameplay testing |
| 15:24.17 | foxlit | What I meant was put the API changes up on the PTR; don't push cata content |
| 15:24.40 | jnwhiteh | don't you suspect that separating the two would be more work than it's worth? |
| 15:24.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not sure how well that woul even work |
| 15:24.55 | jnwhiteh | why do they care if authors get to see the API changes ahead of time |
| 15:24.58 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh :( |
| 15:25.01 | jnwhiteh | they need about a week, and they get that |
| 15:25.03 | Fisker | i had a bad dream a few days ago |
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| 15:25.12 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: separate issues, those |
| 15:25.12 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: I'm sorry, yes it really is that big =/ |
| 15:25.21 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 15:25.26 | Fisker | actually i dreamt you were dead :( |
| 15:25.26 | jnwhiteh | what do they have to gain by doing it? |
| 15:25.27 | foxlit | They've managed to put out a systems-only patch for bc/wotlk prior to the content shipping, too. |
| 15:25.31 | jnwhiteh | sure |
| 15:25.33 | jnwhiteh | two weeks prior |
| 15:25.38 | jnwhiteh | or so |
| 15:25.40 | Fisker | and i seriously believed that until i saw you in the channel :D |
| 15:25.44 | jnwhiteh | and that was on the PTR before it hit live |
| 15:25.48 | jnwhiteh | so again, why would anyone need that now? |
| 15:25.51 | Fisker | must've been a lucid dream |
| 15:26.00 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: aaw =/ |
| 15:26.07 | foxlit | Indeed. I'm saying that would suffice; so giving out beta keys to addon authors is a bit redundant. |
| 15:26.37 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: you are a lucid dream |
| 15:26.52 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it does help/encourage development of new addons around new features. |
| 15:27.06 | NightHawkTheSane | debatable how they feel about tht, though *shrug* |
| 15:27.06 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: I think the reason they give out beta keys is for more in-depth testing of the new UI systems, etc. |
| 15:27.06 | Fisker | science makes me question mortality |
| 15:27.07 | Fisker | it sucks |
| 15:27.10 | jnwhiteh | same reason they test gameplay |
| 15:27.24 | jnwhiteh | they give beta keys to raiding guilds, why not give them to UI authors? |
| 15:27.40 | Thunder_Child | because addons are not enabled.... |
| 15:28.27 | Fisker | i don't see why they don't just go "here go fix/make addons, but don't publish them" |
| 15:29.20 | Thunder_Child | because then people would try to use the ones that already exist |
| 15:29.35 | Fisker | ban them |
| 15:29.52 | Fisker | they don't even have to do that i believe |
| 15:30.16 | Fisker | atleast in TBC if you had an addon with a toc <20000 it wouldn't load |
| 15:30.23 | Thunder_Child | if idiots were a bannable offence, there would be a lot less people playing |
| 15:30.36 | Fisker | i would be in the beta then |
| 15:30.37 | Fisker | yay |
| 15:31.16 | Fisker | in this beta they've finally let us use the US forums |
| 15:31.22 | Fisker | and i'm not even invited this time! |
| 15:34.34 | Fisker | yay |
| 15:34.40 | Fisker | my account is about to get banned |
| 15:34.50 | nevcairiel | hooray |
| 15:35.03 | Fisker | unless i verify that i am who i tell i am by disclosing login information that cannot be verified by real Blizzard staff anyway |
| 15:36.59 | Fisker | btw |
| 15:37.14 | Fisker | do any of you know if Blizzard have added cloth turnins for goblins yet? |
| 15:37.56 | foxlit | Should backlog your goblin rep based on your horde rep, tbh |
| 15:39.07 | Fisker | true that |
| 15:39.26 | Fisker | also give us netherweave and frostweave turnins |
| 15:41.00 | Fisker | i wonder how i can up my horde rep other than various trips around holiday events |
| 15:42.18 | nevcairiel | do the dailys at tournament |
| 15:43.18 | Fisker | why did Blizzard have to ruin the best way to get faction rep with your city factions? :( |
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| 15:43.50 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 15:44.01 | Fisker | Seerah = ryan lolol |
| 15:44.35 | Seerah | Fisker = ... lolol |
| 15:44.40 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:44.46 | Fisker | i'm not 3 dots |
| 15:45.03 | Seerah | If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. ;) |
| 15:45.35 | |Jelly| | Well, while he's in there, can he make us some sammiches? |
| 15:45.41 | Seerah | mmm |
| 15:45.46 | Shirik | I'm not sure I want a sandwich from Fisker |
| 15:45.55 | |Jelly| | . . . good point |
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| 15:49.05 | amro | germany on a warpath |
| 15:49.09 | amro | 4 - 0 :O |
| 15:49.30 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 15:49.35 | Fisker | i want a sandwich from you |
| 15:49.43 | Shirik | no |
| 15:49.45 | Stanzilla | amro: it's called blitzkrieg |
| 15:49.55 | Fisker | yes i do Shirik |
| 15:49.59 | Fisker | why won't you give me a sandwich? |
| 15:50.09 | amro | Stanzilla: they never blitzed in south america so it wouldn't fit |
| 15:50.13 | Shirik | access denied |
| 15:50.14 | Stanzilla | meh! |
| 15:50.30 | Fisker | Why are you being so mean Shirik? I love the heck out of you. |
| 15:50.31 | amro | you don't want a sandwich from shirik anyway |
| 15:51.31 | Fisker | will you atleast tell me how magnets work? |
| 15:52.08 | amro | shoots a gauss gun at Fisker |
| 15:52.11 | amro | that's how they work |
| 15:52.55 | Shirik | ok |
| 15:52.57 | Shirik | wtf |
| 15:53.04 | Shirik | I lost 2.4 pounds in 8 hours |
| 15:53.28 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, sorry, i snuck in and did some sugery. |
| 15:53.33 | Fisker | it's ok your heroin will turn back somehow Shirik |
| 15:53.41 | Seerah | Shirik: aren't you supposed to be gaining weight? Maybe you're doing it wrong. |
| 15:53.50 | Shirik | I obviously screwed something up last night |
| 15:54.02 | Shirik | I'm just surprised that's even possible |
| 15:54.17 | Thunder_Child | no kdding, AI's arent supposed to make mistakes |
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| 15:54.39 | Seerah | Shirik: then again, a fluctuation of a few pounds is normal |
| 15:54.58 | Seerah | you just woke up. All of your food is digested, for example. ;) |
| 15:55.20 | Thunder_Child | water weight as well |
| 15:55.37 | Jamash | ego weight |
| 15:55.43 | Seerah | body waste weight |
| 15:56.07 | Seerah | if you want to feel better, weigh yourself after you've had breakfast and a shower |
| 15:56.29 | Thunder_Child | or better yet, do it the same time you did your first weighing |
| 15:56.51 | Seerah | yes. to be accurate, follow the same schedule each day |
| 15:57.58 | Fisker | Shirik is the only animal that is evil |
| 15:58.23 | Shirik | well I always measure when I wake up |
| 15:58.31 | Shirik | the fact that I measured last night was out ot curiosity |
| 15:58.54 | Fisker | out of evil i say |
| 15:59.06 | Fisker | you enjoy seeing me without beta |
| 15:59.10 | Seerah | Shirik understands how robots work, just not people |
| 15:59.16 | Shirik | ^ |
| 15:59.31 | Shirik | Fisker: True story, Seerah said "poor Fisker" yesterday |
| 15:59.51 | Seerah | I did? |
| 15:59.55 | Shirik | yes |
| 16:00.04 | Seerah | I thought that was Shadowed |
| 16:00.08 | Shirik | was it? |
| 16:00.11 | Shirik | ok well someone did |
| 16:00.12 | Seerah | wasn't me :) |
| 16:00.19 | Seerah | but, yes, it was said |
| 16:00.34 | Fisker | i can live with some pity beta |
| 16:00.58 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 16:01.06 | Thunder_Child | but can you live w/o it? |
| 16:01.29 | Fisker | what answer gets me into the beta? |
| 16:02.48 | Shirik | gah |
| 16:02.52 | Shirik | I have coupon |
| 16:02.54 | Shirik | but no printer |
| 16:02.56 | Shirik | what is htis |
| 16:04.50 | Fisker | i can print it for you Shirik |
| 16:09.19 | Thunder_Child | lol, ing guild "Dairy Heroic anyone?" |
| 16:09.27 | Thunder_Child | in* |
| 16:10.48 | Fisker | damn racists |
| 16:18.38 | Fisker | so Shirik |
| 16:18.42 | Fisker | what can you do to stop me? |
| 16:21.19 | Shirik | omg win: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBt1SihHDt0&feature=player_embedded#! |
| 16:21.48 | Fisker | trailers on youtube won't really stop me |
| 16:21.50 | Fisker | also omg old |
| 16:22.56 | Shirik | :( |
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| 16:23.37 | Fisker | yeah Shirik |
| 16:23.39 | Fisker | i cannot be stopped |
| 16:24.00 | Fister | lies |
| 16:24.07 | Fisker | no u lies |
| 16:24.12 | Fister | no u |
| 16:27.37 | Fisker | no u |
| 16:27.46 | Fister | no u |
| 16:27.51 | Fisker | no u |
| 16:27.57 | Fisker | you can't stop us Shirik |
| 16:28.13 | Fister | you can't stop us Shirik |
| 16:31.18 | Wobin | =( |
| 16:31.29 | Wobin | I just spent money buying the mats for a felsteel shield spike |
| 16:31.33 | Wobin | for my sporeggar shield |
| 16:31.43 | Wobin | and I go try it out and end up in Mana Tombs |
| 16:31.50 | Wobin | and the voidreaver shield drops =( |
| 16:33.44 | Thunder_Child | it's only money Wobin |
| 16:33.47 | Thunder_Child | fake money at that |
| 16:33.53 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 16:34.01 | Fister | moo |
| 16:34.33 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7UmUX68KtE&feature=player_embedded |
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| 17:01.07 | Thunder_Child | portal is $2 for the next 24 hours |
| 17:01.15 | Thunder_Child | http://store.steampowered.com/app/400/ |
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| 17:02.34 | mikma | you monster |
| 17:03.10 | Thunder_Child | me? |
| 17:03.50 | mikma | (see portal 2 trailers? |
| 17:03.54 | mikma | ?=) |
| 17:03.56 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 17:04.22 | Fisker | lol n00b |
| 17:04.33 | Fisker | then you're not allowed to link anything portal related |
| 17:04.38 | Fisker | you have been B& |
| 17:05.22 | Fisker | lol |
| 17:05.24 | Fisker | is apple mad? |
| 17:05.41 | nevcairiel | probably, the whole world is mocking them |
| 17:05.48 | mikma | hehe |
| 17:05.50 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/03/eyephone-reference-mysteriously-disappears-from-online-clips-of/ |
| 17:06.12 | nevcairiel | the futurama ep was so epic |
| 17:06.28 | Thunder_Child | OLD Fisker |
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| 17:15.56 | Maldivia | *sob* |
| 17:17.21 | Fisker | no Thunder_Child |
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| 17:18.28 | Thunder_Child | yes Fisker |
| 17:19.21 | Fisker | no Thunder_Child |
| 17:19.25 | Thunder_Child | yes Fisker |
| 17:19.50 | Fisker | no Thunder_Child |
| 17:20.06 | Thunder_Child | yes Fisker |
| 17:21.09 | Warloco | cake anyone? |
| 17:21.48 | Fisker | no Thunder_Child |
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| 17:23.46 | Thunder_Child | yes Fisker |
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| 17:31.29 | Fister | yes Thunder_Child |
| 17:33.43 | Fisker | no Thunder_Child |
| 17:34.11 | Fister | no Fisker |
| 17:34.48 | Fisker | yes Fister |
| 17:34.51 | Fisker | btw mikma |
| 17:34.53 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816836777&postId=138155359131&sid=1#3 |
| 17:34.53 | Fisker | hoho |
| 17:35.40 | cog|sleep | ~Zyn++ |
| 17:35.42 | nevcairiel | you can downgrade? o.O |
| 17:35.52 | Zyn | wat |
| 17:35.53 | cogwheel | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3688889/thou_upset.jpg |
| 17:35.55 | Zyn | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 17:36.05 | Zyn | oh |
| 17:36.05 | Fisker | yeah nevcairiel |
| 17:36.15 | nevcairiel | why would anyone do that |
| 17:36.49 | Fisker | some people upgrade to WotLK, get WotLK specific stuff(Stuff like engineering), ask to downgrade again so they can dominate level 60 or 70 PvP without being put in the "Fuck off twinks"-battlegroup |
| 17:36.57 | Shirik | hi Fisker |
| 17:37.21 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:37.23 | Fisker | you can't stop me |
| 17:39.03 | Shirik | so cogwheel, did I tell you about my epic static anonymous class solution? |
| 17:39.04 | Fister | but you can stop me Shirik |
| 17:39.20 | Shirik | I can? ok |
| 17:39.21 | cogwheel | no...? |
| 17:39.28 | Shirik | omg |
| 17:39.29 | cogwheel | (re did you) |
| 17:39.32 | Shirik | it was beautiful |
| 17:39.34 | mikma | ~Zyn++ |
| 17:39.46 | Shirik | so I've been developing a code generator for a while |
| 17:40.07 | Shirik | I ran into an issue where the code generator won't know what it needs until it's half way through the source file (and it's finished the header file) |
| 17:40.22 | Shirik | I could do a ton of work to get it know ahead of time, but that would be a pain |
| 17:40.26 | Shirik | instead, I found a solution |
| 17:41.32 | cogwheel | you really shouldn't build things up so much like that. What if it's something totally obvious again? |
| 17:41.35 | cogwheel | :> |
| 17:41.40 | cogwheel | ducks |
| 17:42.21 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 17:42.23 | Fister | horses |
| 17:42.27 | Fisker | can you fix me a beta? |
| 17:42.31 | Fisker | Zyn is making fun of me |
| 17:42.36 | cogwheel | ~Zyn++ |
| 17:42.37 | Fisker | and i could really use some pity beta right about now |
| 17:42.44 | Zyn | Fisker : http://stream.shatteredminds.net/ |
| 17:42.53 | Fisker | some pity beta |
| 17:42.58 | Fisker | i can't stand watch other people play |
| 17:43.03 | Fisker | especially not when they're playing a warlock |
| 17:43.14 | cogwheel | i have a warlock |
| 17:43.24 | cogwheel | worgen named umbracanis |
| 17:43.38 | Zyn | the goblin warlock is just one of many characters I got in the beta |
| 17:43.42 | mikma | cogwheel: wtb "u mad, fisker" ss |
| 17:44.20 | Fisker | i will get into the beta somehow |
| 17:44.24 | Fisker | mark my words |
| 17:45.01 | Shirik | ok so I have this cogwheel http://codepad.org/tdNpYpqI |
| 17:45.08 | Fisker | i have you Shirik |
| 17:45.20 | Shirik | the Initialize() function needs to perform "Connect" on the two ports |
| 17:45.25 | cogwheel | mikma: i had to reroll him 'cause he got stuck out of phase... it'll take me a little while to get worgen form back again >< |
| 17:45.43 | Shirik | rather than trying to figure out what pins I need ahead of time, which is a pain, I can just do this instead |
| 17:45.55 | cogwheel | virtual public interface = lose |
| 17:45.56 | cogwheel | :P |
| 17:46.10 | jnwhiteh | WoW hardcrash. |
| 17:46.18 | mikma | cogwheel: well create a gnome priest and "u mad, fisker" ! |
| 17:46.30 | cogwheel | i gots one o dems... |
| 17:46.37 | cogwheel | Rouedentée |
| 17:46.42 | cogwheel | french for cogwheel |
| 17:47.04 | Shirik | http://codepad.org/pm9XaDS1 |
| 17:47.24 | mikma | cogwheel: rodent xD |
| 17:47.35 | Shirik | there's a reason for the virtual public interface, btw, long story I can't go into :) |
| 17:47.43 | Shirik | suffice to say everything is its own dll, etc. |
| 17:47.48 | Shirik | they're like plugins |
| 17:49.31 | Shirik | anyway |
| 17:49.35 | Shirik | is that not dirty and awesome at the same time? |
| 17:49.54 | cogwheel | i love windows 7 libraries |
| 17:49.56 | nevcairiel | that combination isnt actually good |
| 17:50.01 | cogwheel | puts Shirik on hold for a moment |
| 17:50.10 | cogwheel | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/umadfisker.jpg |
| 17:50.21 | Shirik | this way until I reach Initialize(), I can defer the decision |
| 17:50.36 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Actually, it so turns out that for a code generator, that combination is quite often good :) |
| 17:50.49 | Shirik | nobody should read this code anyway, what's important is that the code generator can be read |
| 17:50.57 | Shirik | and this makes the generator very easy to read |
| 17:50.58 | cogwheel | Fisker: mikma: ^^ |
| 17:51.04 | Fisker | i could kill you Shirik |
| 17:51.18 | Fisker | i'm very mad |
| 17:51.22 | Shirik | omg gnome priest ftw |
| 17:51.25 | Fisker | no healing spell at low levels anymore cogwheel ? |
| 17:51.42 | cogwheel | Fisker: the spells you get while levelling come at a completely different pace |
| 17:51.50 | cogwheel | odd numbered levels even |
| 17:51.59 | Fisker | yeah cogwheel |
| 17:52.02 | Fisker | but it would actually be nice |
| 17:52.03 | Shirik | nevcairiel: My code generator does some other very strange things too |
| 17:52.07 | Shirik | it very much enjoys doing |
| 17:52.09 | mikma | cogwheel: ruahahahhahaaa |
| 17:52.10 | Shirik | switch (foo) { |
| 17:52.12 | cogwheel | Fisker: you really don't need it |
| 17:52.12 | Shirik | default: |
| 17:52.17 | Fisker | since technically you don't really need neither tanking or healing until around level 15 when you get LFD |
| 17:52.20 | Shirik | // some code |
| 17:52.21 | Shirik | } |
| 17:52.28 | nevcairiel | you should fix that |
| 17:52.31 | cogwheel | Fisker: your regeneration for the first 5 or so levels is totally mad |
| 17:52.36 | Shirik | why? |
| 17:52.42 | Shirik | the compiler will optimize it out |
| 17:52.49 | Fisker | yeah i know |
| 17:52.53 | Fisker | been that for a while cogwheel |
| 17:53.05 | cogwheel | Shirik: thank you for holding. A cogwheel will be with you momentarily |
| 17:53.20 | nevcairiel | saves you from spending every earned copper on drinking water |
| 17:53.23 | Shirik | it does that because usually it has to make a decision there, but occasionally the decision is always the same |
| 17:53.24 | nevcairiel | on same classes that really was no fun |
| 17:53.29 | Fisker | you should pity beta me though cogwheel |
| 17:53.39 | cogwheel | i should STFU beta you |
| 17:53.46 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:53.47 | Shirik | lol |
| 17:53.48 | cogwheel | if i could i would -_- |
| 17:53.49 | cogwheel | :P |
| 17:53.51 | Fisker | umad cogwheel |
| 17:53.57 | nevcairiel | well he will stfu if you beta him |
| 17:54.12 | cogwheel | nevcairiel: exactly |
| 17:54.15 | Fisker | true story nevcairiel |
| 17:54.33 | Fisker | i know i'm not into facefriend and chitter |
| 17:54.48 | nevcairiel | " We plan to disable the ability to replicate addon functionality through macros in the next beta build so we can ensure all feedback is strictly about the default interface." |
| 17:54.51 | nevcairiel | in your face cogwheel! |
| 17:55.02 | Shirik | gahhhhhhh |
| 17:55.06 | Shirik | why do I have monday off |
| 17:55.09 | Fisker | yeah nevcairiel |
| 17:55.10 | Fisker | old news |
| 17:55.11 | Shirik | this is stupid |
| 17:55.21 | nevcairiel | just go and work? |
| 17:55.29 | Shirik | that would force me into overtime |
| 17:55.31 | cogwheel | nevcairiel: i know right? =) |
| 17:55.53 | cogwheel | 20:14 < cogwheel> part of me is giddy and part of me is frustrated that they're going to disable McRun... |
| 17:55.56 | cogwheel | 20:15 < DWSR> Mcrun? |
| 17:55.59 | cogwheel | 20:15 < cogwheel> http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25626576491/no-addons-for-the-duration-of-the-beta/ |
| 17:56.10 | Fisker | challenges cogwheel to a game of Street Countdown |
| 17:57.04 | cogwheel | Shirik: http://www.gotw.ca/publications/mill18.htm |
| 17:57.15 | cogwheel | (tangential) |
| 17:57.17 | Shirik | I know cogwheel |
| 17:57.22 | Shirik | it's actually in our standards document |
| 17:57.31 | Shirik | "prefer non-virtual public interfaces" |
| 17:58.42 | Shirik | but I'm just following what already exists |
| 17:58.45 | Shirik | I can't really change it |
| 17:59.04 | Fisker | challenges cogwheel to a game of Street Countdown |
| 17:59.04 | cogwheel | Shirik: acshually i hadn't seen that before |
| 17:59.11 | cogwheel | (the code) |
| 17:59.25 | Shirik | We came across it accidentally |
| 17:59.43 | Shirik | we were like "well you can create anonymous structs... can you do the same to classes?" |
| 17:59.48 | Shirik | so we tried it, and it worked, even with inheritance |
| 18:00.03 | Shirik | so we were like "well we can't create it on the stack, and there's nothing to 'new'" |
| 18:00.25 | Shirik | so I was like "Well, Initialize() is only called once for the life of the program... why not just make it a static variable?!" |
| 18:00.28 | Shirik | and bamf |
| 18:00.29 | cogwheel | makes sense... it's pretty clear that struct and class differ ONLY by the default access level |
| 18:00.35 | Shirik | yeah |
| 18:00.55 | Shirik | the biggest problem was the memory issue |
| 18:01.02 | Shirik | that had us held up for 10 minutes or so until we figured this out |
| 18:01.23 | cogwheel | but i never really had a need for static structs in the first place so I'm sure it wouldn't have occurred to me... |
| 18:01.29 | cogwheel | +anonymous |
| 18:01.37 | Shirik | we get the added benefit of a static memory layout, too, which is good in safety critical systems |
| 18:02.47 | cogwheel | Shirik: i got more powerz ... i can vote to close and reopen questions and to delete answers =) |
| 18:02.57 | Shirik | .. |
| 18:03.23 | cogwheel | er nm re: delete... that was my own post >< |
| 18:04.01 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816836777&sid=1#4 <-umad bro |
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| 18:05.33 | Shirik | funny thing about non-public virtual functions, btw, cogwheel |
| 18:05.43 | Shirik | Java throws that idea completely out the window |
| 18:05.47 | Shirik | it FORCES you to have a public interface |
| 18:05.50 | cogwheel | Shirik: btw... that link i got from you re: typename is my highest voted answer >< |
| 18:05.55 | Shirik | haha |
| 18:06.07 | Fisker | see it cogwheel |
| 18:08.24 | cogwheel | all functions are virtual in java and c# |
| 18:08.49 | cogwheel | it makes more sense there because all potentially polymorphic objects are passed by reference |
| 18:09.13 | Shirik | no |
| 18:09.16 | Shirik | it makes stupid |
| 18:09.21 | cogwheel | i didn't say it wasn't stupid |
| 18:09.28 | Shirik | and not all functions are virtual in C# |
| 18:09.29 | Fisker | why don't you love me cogwheel ? |
| 18:09.33 | cogwheel | just that given the stupid decision, it makes some sense |
| 18:09.35 | cogwheel | oh... |
| 18:09.43 | cogwheel | i have a headache... |
| 18:09.48 | cogwheel | (come on excedrin...) |
| 18:09.49 | mikma | fisker: ass hole! |
| 18:10.04 | Shirik | C# gets a little angry though when you go non-virtual |
| 18:10.24 | Shirik | public class Foo { public void Baz() { }}; public class Bar : Foo { public void Baz() { }}; |
| 18:10.34 | Shirik | this will cause a warning for hiding Baz |
| 18:10.39 | Shirik | you're supposed to do one of the following |
| 18:10.45 | Shirik | public class Foo { public void Baz() { }}; public class Bar : Foo { public new void Baz() { }}; |
| 18:10.52 | Shirik | public class Foo { public virtual void Baz() { }}; public class Bar : Foo { public override void Baz() { }}; |
| 18:11.02 | Shirik | and of course overriding a non-virtual function is an error |
| 18:11.25 | Shirik | however replacing a virtual function is not, but is a recipe for heache |
| 18:11.29 | Shirik | headache* |
| 18:11.46 | cbreak | it's ok i C++... |
| 18:11.51 | cbreak | that other language doesn't count :) |
| 18:13.16 | cogwheel | hai Seerah |
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| 18:13.28 | Seerah | hai2u |
| 18:14.31 | Fisker | yeah mikma |
| 18:14.37 | Fisker | i hate twinks to hell |
| 18:15.05 | mikma | fisker: same. people who suck at pvp do it with twinked chars |
| 18:15.28 | Fisker | i'm just looking forward to Blizzard fixing it |
| 18:15.42 | Fisker | so all twinks can go "hell naw i just spent 40€ for the expansion and now it got fixed QQ" |
| 18:16.22 | nevcairiel | why is there even a difference what bgs people get depending if they have the expansion or not? |
| 18:16.46 | Fisker | it's not depending on whether they have the expansion or not |
| 18:16.57 | Fisker | It's because if you eliminate your experience you get put in the twink-only group |
| 18:17.04 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 18:17.10 | Fisker | But if you're just capped due to your expansion level then you're in the normal group |
| 18:17.20 | Fisker | But technically you don't have any advantages then |
| 18:17.36 | Fisker | so twinks upgrade their account to wotlk, level some professions and get some wotlk stuff, then downgrade it again |
| 18:17.46 | Fisker | and the downgrade doesn't remove the professions and such |
| 18:17.50 | nevcairiel | but why |
| 18:17.59 | nevcairiel | you dont get anything special for lvl 70 pvp |
| 18:18.31 | Fisker | you get something everyone else can't get |
| 18:18.39 | Fisker | and obviously they feel it is good enough |
| 18:18.44 | Fisker | otherwise there would be no reason to do it |
| 18:18.46 | nevcairiel | whats that? |
| 18:20.31 | Fisker | well in his case he's looking for the lightning generator |
| 18:20.51 | nevcairiel | but why do lvl 70 pvp |
| 18:21.09 | Fisker | Because that's the only thing they can do? |
| 18:21.17 | nevcairiel | apparently |
| 18:21.22 | Fisker | that or they would have to do level 60 pvp |
| 18:21.27 | Fisker | it's either level 60 or 70 |
| 18:21.41 | Fisker | otherwise they can't twink themselves to steamroll opponents |
| 18:21.44 | Fisker | and we can't have that |
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| 18:23.42 | foxlit | They should totally let you see which bosses are up in your instance lockouts through the calendar. |
| 18:24.11 | zenzelezz | good point. The server already knows after all |
| 18:25.07 | Fisker | It'll probably be in the next expansion foxlit |
| 18:25.31 | Fisker | (i.e. the one after Cataclysm) |
| 18:25.46 | cogwheel | Shirik: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/04/changes-to-stack-exchange/ |
| 18:25.52 | cogwheel | we need to make a wowoverflow.com... |
| 18:26.01 | Fisker | yeah cogwheel |
| 18:26.03 | zenzelezz | thought there was one? |
| 18:26.09 | Fisker | and then get beta keys for everyone there |
| 18:26.12 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: at least not with that name... |
| 18:26.13 | Fisker | also i'm in |
| 18:26.28 | zenzelezz | no, not that name, but saw someone making something like that |
| 18:26.52 | foxlit | http://epicadvice.com/ |
| 18:27.30 | cogwheel | neat |
| 18:27.50 | cogwheel | they need some SEO imo |
| 18:27.51 | cogwheel | :P |
| 18:28.51 | foxlit | I get SEO spam in some of my "contact us" forms. |
| 18:29.00 | foxlit | "We'll totally make your website #1 on google" |
| 18:29.26 | foxlit | 1) It already is. 2) You didn't provide any contact information. At all. |
| 18:31.20 | Fisker | sounds like a scam foxlit |
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| 18:31.50 | mikma | foxlit scam |
| 18:31.55 | Thunder_Child | no, sounds legit |
| 18:32.02 | krka | well, if the SEO experts can make any website #1, then their own must be #1 on google, so they dont need contact information |
| 18:32.07 | krka | just search for "SEO" |
| 18:32.55 | Shirik | ha |
| 18:33.05 | Shirik | wikipedia wins at SEO |
| 18:33.23 | mikma | seo is/was a gas-station (lunessa!) chain in finland |
| 18:33.44 | Shirik | !g SEO |
| 18:33.45 | batbot | Shirik: Search engine optimization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_optimization> |
| 18:34.03 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:34.06 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 18:34.22 | Fisker | you were just Shiriked |
| 18:34.27 | Fisker | bam |
| 18:34.28 | Shirik | and you were just Fiskered |
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| 18:35.15 | cogwheel | was there really an alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork? |
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| 18:40.25 | cogwheel | so for the 4th of july, we got our paychecks three days early... oh joy |
| 18:42.28 | Fister | Shirik |
| 18:43.26 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:44.05 | cogwheel | Bo Birik |
| 18:44.21 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 18:44.24 | Jamash | banana |
| 18:44.32 | Fisker | Jamash |
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| 18:44.38 | Jamash | bo bash |
| 18:44.40 | Fisker | no |
| 18:44.43 | Jamash | yes |
| 18:44.47 | Fister | no u |
| 18:44.47 | cogwheel | bamash imo |
| 18:44.56 | cogwheel | :P |
| 18:44.59 | Jamash | my friend kris calls me mashy\ |
| 18:45.09 | Jamash | my sort of friend calls me jam-jam |
| 18:46.03 | Fister | i call you "the one that gets people wasted in greece" |
| 18:46.41 | Jamash | my native american name is "runs with scissors" |
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| 18:47.04 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:48.05 | Fisker | casually walks away |
| 18:48.41 | Fister | jamash: in greece "Jamas" means "Cheers", so calling you in greece makes greece people drink their drinks |
| 18:49.13 | Fisker | disagree'd Fister |
| 18:49.41 | Fister | i agree with myself, your point is invalid Fisker |
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| 18:51.28 | Jamash | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOnp6eln24s |
| 18:52.46 | alestane | huggles Cairenn so maybe she has a reason to stick around. |
| 18:52.59 | Cairenn | huggles alestane |
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| 18:55.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://dev.averageurl.com/cc/03-07-2010-houston.png |
| 18:55.22 | ScytheBlade1 | behold the awesome known as comcast |
| 18:55.31 | ScytheBlade1 | and their incredible lack of connectivity for a solid hour |
| 18:55.48 | Jamash | awesome |
| 18:56.01 | Jamash | comcast is made of fail |
| 18:56.14 | kd3 | that looks suspiciously like every ISP I've ever had >.< |
| 18:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | so glad I set this monitoring up |
| 18:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | http://dev.averageurl.com/cc/03-07-2010-atlanta.png |
| 18:56.30 | ScytheBlade1 | monitoring it from two locations at once |
| 18:56.42 | ScytheBlade1 | note how they can both hit my gateway, but not my actual modem |
| 18:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | also note the epic ~30-40ms of latency to my *first hop* |
| 18:58.55 | ScytheBlade1 | at least the guy I spoke with discounted the bill from $60 to $20 for 6mo because of this crap |
| 18:59.07 | Jamash | is there a simple way to get cjk support in wow on the en-us client, without changing the default latin font? |
| 18:59.18 | DWSR | cjk? |
| 18:59.24 | Jamash | chinese japanese korean |
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| 18:59.33 | DWSR | no |
| 18:59.36 | Jamash | boo |
| 18:59.40 | DWSR | The default font doesn't include those characters, afaik |
| 18:59.59 | Jamash | I found a font that supports all of the above but it overrides the default font |
| 19:00.15 | DWSR | That's probably what you'll have to do. |
| 19:00.33 | Jamash | meh |
| 19:00.50 | Jamash | I guess I'll install it temporarily |
| 19:04.48 | Maldivia | you still won't be able to input it |
| 19:06.51 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 19:07.00 | Shirik | I was talking to my friend who's kinda into body building, etc. |
| 19:07.05 | Shirik | asked him a question, part if his response: |
| 19:07.09 | Shirik | It definitely is better, but price wise, is it worth it? IMO, not really, but if you're the "I need the best of the best" type, and have the $$, which you do you lucky bastard, then it's up to you if you want platinum vs gold. |
| 19:07.18 | Shirik | I like the "which you do you lucky bastard" part :P |
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| 19:10.26 | cogwheel | zomg gimmeh |
| 19:10.28 | cogwheel | :P |
| 19:10.51 | Shirik | lo |
| 19:10.57 | Shirik | come work for Boeing |
| 19:11.01 | Shirik | :) |
| 19:11.04 | cogwheel | u get me jab |
| 19:11.48 | cogwheel | i wish degrees weren't so important... i can't stand academia even though i love learning |
| 19:11.48 | Jamash | I don't need to input korean, just see whether my addon's korean localization displays correctly |
| 19:11.57 | Shirik | https://jobs-insitu.icims.com/jobs/1481/job |
| 19:12.08 | nevcairiel | I've always left that to the koreans to tell me :p |
| 19:12.12 | Shirik | huh, strange |
| 19:12.18 | Jamash | the chat messages work, but the UI displays all ??? |
| 19:12.20 | Shirik | that looks like it might be a job for the comms team, I didn't realize they had an opening |
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| 19:13.58 | mikma | football |
| 19:14.02 | mikma | odd sport |
| 19:14.11 | cogwheel | "It makes sense to think that midgets are cute right? 'cause they spark that baby thing in your head..." |
| 19:14.14 | Shirik | soccer is pretty odd too |
| 19:14.18 | Shirik | hi Iriel |
| 19:14.30 | mikma | handegg, thats even more weird than football |
| 19:14.47 | Shirik | btw cogwheel, Iriel would be one of those people that goes "Yeah well it's so easy to do that in Java, lol." |
| 19:15.01 | Iriel | DO what? |
| 19:15.05 | Shirik | with regards to the class thing from earlier |
| 19:15.08 | Iriel | Or is that a general statement? |
| 19:15.22 | Shirik | Iriel: I came up with a brilliant solution to a problem with my code generator, not sure if I told you about it or not |
| 19:15.35 | Shirik | it is similar to this: http://codepad.org/pm9XaDS1 |
| 19:15.39 | Thunder_Child | if you do say so yourself |
| 19:15.43 | Iriel | I think you might have talked about the problem (if it was MI related) |
| 19:16.05 | Shirik | the code generator doesn't really know what it's going to need until it reaches the body of the Initialize() function |
| 19:16.24 | Shirik | so it just creates the classes inline |
| 19:16.48 | mikma | heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 19:16.58 | mikma | Monkey Island 2 SE |
| 19:17.05 | mikma | out tomorrow, right? |
| 19:17.32 | Iriel | Shirik: IS this some kind of trick to avoid having to make 2 passes to generate the final file? |
| 19:17.40 | Shirik | basically, yes |
| 19:17.45 | Iriel | Shirik: and if so, i'm curious why that's so important to do something "wierd" |
| 19:17.47 | Shirik | a human would just create a named class in the header file |
| 19:18.15 | Shirik | because going back and modifying the header file is actually very difficult in the code generation framework I'm working in |
| 19:18.18 | Iriel | Not that I necessarily find the result objectionable, it just seems like an overcomplicated solution to the problem, at least from the perspective of a consumer of the code |
| 19:18.42 | Shirik | the generation framework first says "ok build the header file" and I build it, then it goes "ok build the source file" |
| 19:19.05 | Shirik | I theoretically could figure it out from the header file, but I would have to do a lot of processing early on, then re-do it later |
| 19:19.14 | Iriel | Coulnd't it be "ok figure out what you're supposed to do' then "build the header file" then "build the source file"? |
| 19:19.17 | Shirik | which is costly because everything's on a remote server, so there would be a lot of extra time |
| 19:19.23 | Iriel | And keep the results from the first step for both subsequent ones? |
| 19:19.40 | Iriel | It does sound like you have rationale for it, I was just curious 8-) |
| 19:19.44 | Shirik | You would think it would be that easy |
| 19:19.47 | Jamash | c++, nothing is simple or easy |
| 19:19.51 | Shirik | But the code generator freaks out if you don't respond in time |
| 19:19.58 | Shirik | the framework, that is |
| 19:20.08 | Shirik | so the amount of time you have to process a given element is limited |
| 19:20.22 | Shirik | (don't blame me, I didn't write the framework, it's some COTS project that I hacked into what I needed) |
| 19:20.48 | Shirik | I think the product was made with the objective in mind of "create skeleton classes, etc." |
| 19:20.54 | Shirik | and I'm turning it into "develop the whole damn thing" |
| 19:21.28 | Shirik | anyway, we're on the side of "why go through the extra work in figuring it out ahead of time when you can just do it inline and make the generator's code (not the generated code) more readable?" |
| 19:21.48 | Shirik | it's the generator that has to be certified, not the generated code |
| 19:21.53 | mikma | Available: 7 July 2010 |
| 19:21.55 | mikma | blah |
| 19:21.55 | Shirik | if the generator is certified, then so is the generated code :) |
| 19:22.25 | Shirik | of course, there is another benefit to this as well, Iriel |
| 19:22.31 | Shirik | kinda side-effect but a nice one |
| 19:22.39 | Shirik | static memory map = good for safety critical systems |
| 19:29.58 | Iriel | Shirik: It's been a while since i was using C++ every day, so bear with me if I dont understand this, but doesn't that mean that pin1 and pin2 are singletons? |
| 19:30.04 | Iriel | (Perhaps that was your intent) |
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| 19:30.39 | Iriel | So if I have 3 Foo's, they're going to end up sharing them? |
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| 19:30.48 | cogwheel | Jamash: usually because pepole over-complicate things |
| 19:30.56 | cogwheel | by not using the standard libraries "correctly |
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| 19:31.00 | Shirik | it's correct, Iriel |
| 19:31.11 | Shirik | however Initialize() will only ever be called once |
| 19:31.50 | Iriel | Once ever? or once per Foo? |
| 19:32.23 | Shirik | once ever |
| 19:32.27 | Shirik | there will only ever be one Foo |
| 19:32.38 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:32.43 | Shirik | That's just its use case |
| 19:32.43 | Fisker | i'm not betaing |
| 19:32.46 | Fisker | wtf should i do? |
| 19:32.54 | Shirik | Fisker: Find a beta key |
| 19:33.24 | Iriel | Isn't it dangerous to create Foo in such a way that if you accidently create two they'll "overlap" ? |
| 19:33.48 | Shirik | well |
| 19:33.56 | Shirik | if you create two Foos, you have done something completely illogical anyway |
| 19:33.59 | Fisker | there is no beta key Shirik |
| 19:34.00 | Fisker | also |
| 19:34.02 | Fisker | wtf should i do? |
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| 19:34.13 | Shirik | for example, "Foo" in my use case might be the autopilot |
| 19:34.16 | Fisker | Fucking forums won't fuck off with randomly selecting my alts after a couple of hours of being logged in |
| 19:34.18 | Shirik | if you have two autopilots, you have a problem |
| 19:34.37 | Iriel | If it's that important perhaps initialize should be checking for a second invocation and failing some assertion? |
| 19:34.52 | Shirik | that actually is not a bad idea |
| 19:34.55 | Shirik | I might add that to the generator :) |
| 19:35.11 | Shirik | I know it checks to make sure pins are not doubly-connected |
| 19:35.17 | Shirik | but never checks for a double-initialize |
| 19:35.44 | Iriel | Ah, so double connection might catch the problem anyway, but perhaps not expose the cause as easily |
| 19:35.58 | Fisker | tell me Shirik |
| 19:36.04 | Shirik | ah Iguess it would, yes |
| 19:36.22 | Shirik | but I would prefer to say that it's already initialized than some cryptic error like "pin already connected" |
| 19:36.30 | Iriel | Right, exactly |
| 19:37.54 | Iriel | Does anyone have a UI code extract for the current beta that's identical to the one that would have been created from the AddOn kit if it worked properly? |
| 19:38.11 | nevcairiel | the addon kit is broken again? |
| 19:38.34 | nevcairiel | i've been relying on it working for my diffs, oh noes |
| 19:38.46 | Iriel | It hasn't worked on OSX against Cataclysm for a couple of builds |
| 19:39.00 | nevcairiel | how do you figure it doesnt? |
| 19:39.03 | Iriel | It might work on windows,I guess I should do it there |
| 19:39.24 | nevcairiel | Mine produced changes every build |
| 19:39.26 | Iriel | Sorry, the installation failed: World of Warcraft is not installed at this location. |
| 19:39.27 | nevcairiel | changes that made sense, too! |
| 19:39.30 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 19:39.43 | Iriel | Are you extracting on OSX? |
| 19:39.46 | nevcairiel | no |
| 19:39.57 | Thunder_Child | OMG Becky, Look at her butt! |
| 19:40.44 | nevcairiel | but if you need the ui source; http://github.com/Nevcairiel/wow-ui-source/tree/cataclysm |
| 19:40.50 | nevcairiel | never mind the changelog, i was too lazy this time |
| 19:40.51 | nevcairiel | :d |
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| 19:42.56 | Shirik | it requires git |
| 19:42.59 | Shirik | flee for your life |
| 19:43.12 | amro | you're still on svn Shirik? |
| 19:43.14 | nevcairiel | its on github, doh |
| 19:43.16 | Shirik | no |
| 19:43.22 | Shirik | I have fallen in love with perforce |
| 19:43.31 | nevcairiel | screw your commercial products |
| 19:43.32 | amro | isn't that commercial? |
| 19:43.35 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:43.38 | Shirik | but it is so awesome |
| 19:43.38 | Shirik | like |
| 19:43.45 | Shirik | full of awesomeness |
| 19:43.49 | Shirik | I still like hg though |
| 19:44.25 | Shirik | but perforce is just epic |
| 19:44.29 | Iriel | I can get the windows one myself. |
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| 19:53.28 | Thunder_Child | NFSW is in open beta |
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| 20:03.30 | sylvanaar | do you like hg for the same reason i do shirik? |
| 20:04.36 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:06.27 | sylvanaar | they should make it a free personal liscense for single developers for perforce |
| 20:08.16 | sylvanaar | hrm actually they do |
| 20:08.46 | sylvanaar | http://www.perforce.com/perforce/price.html |
| 20:09.02 | sylvanaar | oss |
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| 20:10.51 | cogwheel | http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-narcissus-in-all-us/201001/how-brag-about-yourself-without-being-seen-narcissistic |
| 20:12.04 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:12.21 | Kalroth | "Other research finds that the context is important too." orly |
| 20:12.28 | cogwheel | i'm better than you Fisker! |
| 20:12.29 | Kalroth | obvious article is obvious |
| 20:12.37 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 20:13.04 | mikma | thunder_child: becky? butt? |
| 20:13.16 | Kalroth | I'm pretty bad at everything but at least I'm better than Fisker at anything |
| 20:13.16 | Thunder_Child | mikma: what? |
| 20:13.59 | Kalroth | in before Antiarc links it: http://i.imgur.com/75h12.jpg (its Fisker!) |
| 20:14.05 | mikma | thunder_child: 22:40 <Thunder_Child> OMG Becky, Look at her butt! |
| 20:14.11 | cogwheel | "that" should be split into "that" and "thet". This is the house _thet_ Jack built, unlike _that_ one over there. |
| 20:14.44 | Kalroth | cogwheel: I once helped my Uncle Jack off a horse! |
| 20:14.59 | Fisker | Kalroth |
| 20:15.04 | Fisker | i will end you |
| 20:15.08 | Fisker | and cogwheel will beta me |
| 20:15.08 | Thunder_Child | mikma: i know what i said |
| 20:15.16 | Thunder_Child | but you didnt actually ask anything |
| 20:15.17 | Kalroth | waves a betafied account infront of Fisker |
| 20:15.29 | Fisker | you're not in the beta no |
| 20:15.49 | Jamash | cogwheel: that is the stick thet grammar nazis have up their butts |
| 20:15.54 | Kalroth | You wouldn't believe me if I said I was |
| 20:16.03 | sylvanaar | this is the 30-day beta-hating period |
| 20:16.31 | Fisker | indeed Kalroth |
| 20:16.38 | Fisker | but i would believe you if you were in the beta |
| 20:16.48 | Kalroth | i wouldn't |
| 20:17.53 | Fisker | i have a feeling i would've been in the beta if i had updated my system specs to include my gtx480 :( |
| 20:18.48 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.56 | Iriel | At this point there'll be enough coverage |
| 20:19.05 | Kalroth | haaaaa Fisker |
| 20:19.10 | Fisker | Experimental DX11 support yo |
| 20:19.19 | Kalroth | Iriel: I got 4870x2, that is pretty rare these days! |
| 20:19.23 | mikma | thunder_child: who is becky and where can i see her ass |
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| 20:20.14 | Thunder_Child | mikma: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1r7qc_sir-mix-a-lotbaby-got-back_music |
| 20:23.11 | Fisker | btw i accept pity beta Iriel |
| 20:23.11 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5578637/the-fireworks-laws-of-every-state |
| 20:28.05 | Antiarc | Kalroth: |
| 20:28.07 | Antiarc | You fail |
| 20:28.13 | Kalroth | why! |
| 20:28.13 | Antiarc | Oh |
| 20:28.17 | Antiarc | I linked it in another channel |
| 20:28.18 | Antiarc | Carry on |
| 20:28.21 | Kalroth | :D |
| 20:29.29 | Thunder_Child | i hate messy food |
| 20:30.39 | Sixen | Cogwheel, you here? |
| 20:30.59 | Shirik | all requests for mr. cogwheel must go through me |
| 20:31.16 | Sixen | :P |
| 20:31.17 | Sixen | hai shirik |
| 20:31.20 | Shirik | hai |
| 20:32.56 | Fisker | Sixen |
| 20:33.02 | Fisker | i accept pity beta from you too |
| 20:34.11 | Sixen | oic |
| 20:34.31 | Fisker | yeah great offer right? |
| 20:34.34 | mikma | fisker: we don't accept you in beta |
| 20:34.59 | Fisker | you have no choice mikma |
| 20:35.05 | mikma | yes i have |
| 20:35.10 | mikma | hack hack |
| 20:35.16 | mikma | no more fiskerdin |
| 20:35.26 | Kalroth | hands mikma $8. |
| 20:35.50 | Fisker | hack hack |
| 20:35.52 | Slackwise | Maybe a bit too minimal? I dunno... http://slackwi.se/files/images/screenshots/WoW/ZenMode001.png |
| 20:35.54 | mikma | strips a sock for kalroth |
| 20:35.56 | Fisker | moar Fisker but no more hack hack |
| 20:36.19 | Fisker | that's not a lot of mana Slackwise |
| 20:36.25 | Kalroth | ties Fisker to a schoolbus |
| 20:37.16 | Fister | starts the bus |
| 20:37.28 | Fisker | this isn't something that'll be on various porn sites right? |
| 20:37.35 | cogwheel | i should post in the beta forums "anyone have a beta invite for fisker so he'll shut up?" |
| 20:37.53 | mikma | cogwheel: na, have shirik remove him |
| 20:38.05 | Fisker | Ghostcrawler would probably post "nah we banned him from future beta participation because he's a jerk" |
| 20:38.11 | Slackwise | Fisker: ? |
| 20:38.17 | mikma | YOU CAN DO IT SHIRIK, BAN HIS FREAKING HEAD OFF! |
| 20:38.23 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:38.34 | Fisker | he couldn't even ban me if he had a good reason for it |
| 20:38.40 | mikma | shirik: have you seen little nick? |
| 20:38.43 | Shirik | no |
| 20:38.55 | mikma | ok, then you don't get that |
| 20:40.50 | mikma | slackwise: http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_062810_203704.jpg |
| 20:41.11 | Slackwise | mikma: ? |
| 20:41.32 | mikma | slackwise: default <3 |
| 20:41.38 | Slackwise | Mine is default. |
| 20:41.43 | Slackwise | I press Alt-H to go into "ZenMode" |
| 20:41.53 | Slackwise | Which hides everything except SexyCooldown, buffs/debuffs, and nameplates. |
| 20:42.00 | mikma | why? |
| 20:42.05 | Slackwise | shrugs. |
| 20:42.09 | Slackwise | Fscking around. |
| 20:42.20 | mikma | why must you be so fiskery? |
| 20:43.20 | Slackwise | http://github.com/Slackwise/Slackwow/blob/master/Slackwow.lua |
| 20:43.30 | Slackwise | Some custom shit. For fun. |
| 20:43.41 | mikma | slackwise: so, your zenmode doesn't work in combat =/ |
| 20:43.48 | Slackwise | Yes it does... |
| 20:43.51 | Slackwise | Why would you say that? |
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| 20:44.09 | mikma | cause everything gets tainted if you play with them in combat |
| 20:44.17 | Slackwise | What? |
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| 20:45.40 | Iriel | It just doesn't hide |
| 20:46.06 | Slackwise | Oh, Hide/Show is secure? |
| 20:46.11 | foxlit | or show |
| 20:46.19 | foxlit | protected, yes. |
| 20:46.24 | Slackwise | Ahh. |
| 20:46.25 | Iriel | Protected, yes. |
| 20:46.30 | Slackwise | Well it's meant for raiding. |
| 20:46.33 | Iriel | Though that code would be way easy to secure-ify |
| 20:46.45 | Slackwise | Sometimes I just want to remove the clutter so I can focus on what I need to. |
| 20:46.49 | Slackwise | So I hid the crap that is useless. |
| 20:47.07 | foxlit | I'm amazed that it works on different grounds -- you can't be the only one wanting to control whether TargetFrame is visible. |
| 20:47.29 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 20:47.53 | Slackwise | I have everything keyboard so I just focus on my big SexyCooldowns bar. |
| 20:47.59 | Fister | hey foxlit |
| 20:48.56 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 20:49.36 | Fister | shirik |
| 20:52.20 | Fisker | shirik |
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| 21:00.44 | Zyn | you are not getting banned, Fisker, we love to keep you around as a scapegoat/punchbag/generic insult box |
| 21:03.34 | ScytheBlade1 | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100702/03200710058.shtml |
| 21:05.34 | Maldivia | the new paperdoll frame is kind of neat :P |
| 21:08.50 | nevcairiel | the whole world is mocking apple, and their users are sueing them .. wonder when they give up :p |
| 21:09.05 | Thunder_Child | not for a long time |
| 21:10.26 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:10.36 | Thunder_Child | dodges Fisker |
| 21:11.03 | Fisker | slaps Zyn around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:11.26 | foxlit | "As much as we'd all like to say that our guilds are ultimately prepared for anything Blizzard can throw at us, we've all been in situations where several people in the raid simply had not done their homework and studied up on the upcoming boss." |
| 21:11.57 | Fisker | btw Zyn |
| 21:12.06 | foxlit | does not like the redefinition of "being prepared for anything" as "read how someone else does it". |
| 21:12.15 | Fisker | have Blizzard said if they're going to fix that 500+ players in a guild bug? |
| 21:12.50 | Zyn | they could fix the Guild tab showing first |
| 21:13.16 | Fisker | :O? |
| 21:14.12 | ScytheBlade1 | not a bug |
| 21:14.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^; |
| 21:14.29 | Fisker | Of course it is |
| 21:20.04 | A-KO | http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6307/pcmakeover001copy.jpg < lol |
| 21:20.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Saying that your eyeballs will appreciate a CRT monitor is greatly amusing |
| 21:21.04 | A-KO | haha |
| 21:21.52 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 21:21.57 | Shirik | I can see the future locked within the crystal ball |
| 21:22.18 | Shirik | but it does not include you getting a beta key |
| 21:22.20 | Shirik | lolololol |
| 21:22.22 | Shirik | afk safeway |
| 21:22.28 | Fisker | You are infact right in that Shirik |
| 21:22.33 | Fisker | since there are no beta keys |
| 21:22.39 | Fisker | and lold @ 4 hours A-KO |
| 21:24.39 | foxlit | It's an odd situation when you're debating the merits of getting a DVD-ROM as opposed to a whole 64MB of RAM. |
| 21:25.04 | A-KO | haha |
| 21:25.11 | A-KO | man I remember when cd-roms came out |
| 21:25.17 | A-KO | and it was all like "MPC" |
| 21:25.19 | A-KO | MULTIMEDIA PC |
| 21:25.38 | A-KO | SB16 was the bomb, too |
| 21:26.34 | Thunder_Child | you know, in the course of 5 years i think AOL used more CD's than the rest of the world combined |
| 21:26.49 | A-KO | lol |
| 21:26.54 | A-KO | and floppy disks |
| 21:27.11 | Thunder_Child | well, they statrted at the end of the floppy era |
| 21:27.27 | A-KO | yeah |
| 21:27.38 | A-KO | they were just shipping that shit to everyone's houses |
| 21:27.52 | A-KO | I'm sure some people out there still collect 'em and have a whole storage of them |
| 21:28.23 | A-KO | we had first gone online with AOL3.0 and Windows 3.11 |
| 21:28.36 | A-KO | but not too long after had moved up to Windows 95 and had AOL3.0 for Windows 95 on there |
| 21:28.42 | A-KO | with our trusty 33.6k modem |
| 21:28.43 | Thunder_Child | i first went online with AOL as well |
| 21:28.57 | A-KO | we had used a 14.4 modem for BBS' for years before that though |
| 21:29.56 | A-KO | http://members.tripod.com/aolprogs_12/progusa.html < haha, blast from the past |
| 21:29.58 | A-KO | TRIPOD |
| 21:30.41 | A-KO | and this is how you know you've been online for way too many years |
| 21:38.41 | Thunder_Child | i cant remeber a single website i went to back then |
| 21:38.44 | Thunder_Child | besides yahoo |
| 21:38.45 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:38.58 | Thunder_Child | i think excite was my email provider |
| 21:39.31 | Thunder_Child | i mean besides porn ofc |
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| 21:46.59 | Thunder_Child | eats fiskers trout |
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| 21:53.16 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:53.54 | Thunder_Child | eats fiskers trout again |
| 21:54.26 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
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| 21:54.37 | Thunder_Child | eats fiskers trout again |
| 21:54.47 | Fisker | slaps adimit around a bit with a large trout |
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| 22:15.52 | A-KO | http://www.thisiswhyyourefat.com/?p=1031 |
| 22:15.53 | A-KO | jesus |
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| 22:22.14 | Zyn | getting hungry by watching that |
| 22:22.17 | Shirik | omg A-KO |
| 22:22.22 | Shirik | I want that :( |
| 22:22.32 | foxlit | :( |
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| 22:30.55 | A-KO | lol |
| 22:31.00 | A-KO | I had a juicy lucy for dinner |
| 22:31.08 | A-KO | you put cheese in side the burger and let it melt as you cook the meat |
| 22:34.32 | Jamash | oh my god I want http://www.thisiswhyyourefat.com/?p=548331239 |
| 22:35.25 | A-KO | http://www.thisiswhyyourefat.com/?p=461189619 < now THAT looks awesome |
| 22:35.33 | Shirik | omg |
| 22:35.36 | Shirik | troll druids look awesome |
| 22:35.43 | Jamash | so I had a revelation yesterday |
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| 22:37.44 | Jamash | York Peppermint Pieces |
| 22:38.56 | Jamash | I had been carefully hoarding mint M&Ms from the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull special event |
| 22:39.54 | Jamash | now I find that York is just selling these as a regular product |
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| 22:40.39 | Torhal | Jamash: Almond Joy pieces. |
| 22:40.50 | Jamash | meh |
| 22:40.53 | Torhal | Bah. |
| 22:41.09 | Jamash | I have a, how should I say, certain affection for mint chocolate |
| 22:41.35 | Jamash | s/certain affection/raging addiction/ |
| 22:42.12 | Iriel | I'm a big fan of andes mints |
| 22:43.16 | Jamash | also good |
| 22:43.46 | Shirik | why do people zip setup programs? |
| 22:43.51 | Jamash | I'd been saying for years before the crystal skull event that if M&M ever came out with a mint chocolate M&M I would buy them all |
| 22:44.02 | Jamash | and die happy |
| 22:44.40 | cogwheel | yesterday my site had more traffic than Jan-Mar |
| 22:44.45 | Jamash | Shirik: because it used to be helpful to zip things so you could tell whether they were damaged by uuencoding / other primitive means of network transportation |
| 22:44.54 | cogwheel | gogo zarhym |
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| 22:45.25 | Jamash | nowadays there is very little reason to zip a setup program, since your setup program should already be a self-unpacking archive |
| 22:45.33 | cogwheel | word |
| 22:48.34 | Iriel | Actually there's another good reason |
| 22:48.49 | Iriel | Many antivirus programs block raw executables from email or in extreme cases, download |
| 22:49.01 | Iriel | (I'm talking "corporate firewall" style ones) |
| 22:50.56 | Jamash | ah |
| 22:51.06 | foxlit | I'm sure they'll see right through your zip file too |
| 22:51.14 | Jamash | embed it in a jpeg |
| 22:51.24 | Iriel | They still SCAN it |
| 22:51.27 | Iriel | but they dont BLOCK it |
| 22:51.46 | Iriel | our work email filter actually removes executable attachments |
| 22:51.47 | Jamash | http://frontalot.com/index.php/?page=lyrics&lyricid=41 |
| 22:51.56 | Jamash | does it remove .vbs? |
| 22:52.30 | Iriel | I'm not sure the extent of its paranoia |
| 22:52.43 | Iriel | it removes jar's which gets annoying since my team is developing java software |
| 22:53.08 | foxlit | Gr, Windows. |
| 22:53.20 | foxlit | Must it assume that every image is a photograph? |
| 22:53.42 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:54.52 | Jamash | foxlit: what's it doing, specifically? |
| 22:55.35 | foxlit | Nothing; it's the defined properties of image files that are overly focused on photographs. |
| 22:55.40 | Jamash | yeah |
| 22:55.54 | foxlit | They bother to declare built-in keys for "Camera Model" but not, say, "Image Format" |
| 22:56.02 | Jamash | oh yeah |
| 22:57.23 | Shirik | ok you know what |
| 22:57.28 | Shirik | screw x87 |
| 22:57.28 | Jamash | chicken butt |
| 22:57.34 | Shirik | it is way too complicated |
| 22:57.51 | Jamash | ...floating point coprocessors? |
| 22:59.31 | Shirik | yes |
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| 23:00.07 | Shirik | I used to like writing assembly code |
| 23:00.19 | Shirik | until I started trying to do floating point operations |
| 23:00.28 | Shirik | all I want to do is see the result of 1/0 |
| 23:00.34 | Shirik | and it's a pita |
| 23:01.44 | Jamash | man it's been years since I've written any assembly |
| 23:02.37 | Kalroth | what do you mean by result? how inf is defined or how its stored in memory? |
| 23:02.47 | Shirik | neither |
| 23:03.29 | Kalroth | ok |
| 23:04.33 | Jamash | cpu flags? |
| 23:05.03 | Shirik | pretty sure I got it |
| 23:06.53 | Dagmar | You intend to successfully divide by zero. |
| 23:06.58 | Dagmar | >.< |
| 23:07.04 | Jamash | sure, it's not hard |
| 23:07.13 | Jamash | lua> 1/0 |
| 23:07.13 | lua_bot | Jamash: inf |
| 23:07.16 | Jamash | see? |
| 23:07.35 | Jamash | lua> (-1)/0 |
| 23:07.36 | lua_bot | Jamash: -inf |
| 23:07.43 | Jamash | and for the hat trick |
| 23:07.46 | Jamash | lua> 0/0 |
| 23:07.47 | lua_bot | Jamash: nan |
| 23:07.57 | Dagmar | lua> 1/cheese |
| 23:07.57 | lua_bot | Dagmar: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on global 'cheese' (a nil value) |
| 23:09.26 | Jamash | now this one is tricky |
| 23:09.28 | Kalroth | lua> "ba" .. (0/0) .. "ers!" |
| 23:09.28 | lua_bot | Kalroth: bananers! |
| 23:09.35 | Jamash | lua> 0^0 |
| 23:09.36 | lua_bot | Jamash: 1 |
| 23:09.41 | Jamash | ~lart lua_bot |
| 23:09.41 | purl | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps lua_bot |
| 23:09.54 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 23:10.14 | Shirik | lua> math.abs(0/0) |
| 23:10.14 | lua_bot | Shirik: nan |
| 23:10.16 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:10.21 | Shirik | no qnan |
| 23:10.22 | cogwheel | Fisker: smeeeeeg heeeeeeeeeed |
| 23:10.27 | Shirik | it really is a qnan, lua_bot is just being silly |
| 23:10.37 | Jamash | 0^0 really ought to be nan |
| 23:10.55 | Shirik | why? |
| 23:11.00 | Shirik | that is completely illogical |
| 23:11.04 | Jamash | it's an essential singularity |
| 23:11.06 | Shirik | lim x->0 (x^0) clearly == 1 |
| 23:11.22 | Kalroth | 0^0 = 1 |
| 23:11.23 | Jamash | and lim x->0 (0^x) clearly == 0 |
| 23:11.27 | Kalroth | google agrees with Shirik |
| 23:11.41 | Shirik | hm |
| 23:11.41 | Jamash | limits don't agree, number is not defined |
| 23:11.46 | Shirik | Jamash has a good point |
| 23:12.14 | foxlit | ^ is magic anyway |
| 23:12.18 | Shirik | however that's not how limits work :) we don't say it's not defined if they don't agree, we say it's not defined if the left and right limits don't agree |
| 23:12.24 | Kalroth | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=0^0 there you go! |
| 23:12.29 | Jamash | well, 0^x has no left limit |
| 23:12.49 | Shirik | therefore 0^x sucks and therefore x^0 wins and 0^0 = 1 |
| 23:13.01 | Jamash | but 0^x is defined everywhere but at 0 |
| 23:13.16 | Jamash | Kalroth: hi5 |
| 23:13.53 | Shirik | wow |
| 23:13.56 | Jamash | I meant x^0 has no left limit |
| 23:13.56 | Shirik | fuck wolfram alpha |
| 23:14.06 | Jamash | no wait |
| 23:14.07 | Shirik | I asked it to compute e^(j*pi) and it gave me a mess |
| 23:14.12 | Jamash | where's my graphing calculator |
| 23:14.19 | foxlit | You and your j |
| 23:14.22 | Shirik | it's all like "j from -1 to 1" and I'm like "wtf you smoking j is j" |
| 23:14.36 | foxlit | Rest of the world clearly doesn't agree :P |
| 23:15.07 | Kalroth | why is j special? |
| 23:15.21 | Jamash | you're talking to a program written by a mathematician, gotta speak math speak, meaning sqrt(-1) == i |
| 23:15.22 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:15.30 | Jamash | not engineer speak, where it's j |
| 23:15.31 | Shirik | no |
| 23:15.34 | Shirik | i^2 = -1 |
| 23:15.39 | Shirik | sqrt(-1) is nan |
| 23:15.57 | Jamash | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28-1%29^0.5 |
| 23:16.15 | Jamash | does the math victory dance. |
| 23:16.24 | Shirik | bad |
| 23:16.26 | Shirik | bad math |
| 23:16.27 | Shirik | bad bad bad |
| 23:16.38 | Shirik | but seriously, j not i |
| 23:16.45 | Jamash | j is engineering |
| 23:16.48 | Jamash | i is math |
| 23:16.52 | Shirik | jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj |
| 23:17.01 | Shirik | lua> #("jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj") |
| 23:17.01 | lua_bot | Shirik: 57 |
| 23:17.04 | Shirik | lua> 57/4 |
| 23:17.05 | lua_bot | Shirik: 14.25 |
| 23:17.08 | Shirik | ha |
| 23:17.10 | Shirik | that == j |
| 23:17.28 | Jamash | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root_of_minus_one#Alternative_notations |
| 23:17.46 | Shirik | j |
| 23:18.00 | Shirik | I will fix that article to change all is to j and say i is an alternative notation |
| 23:18.07 | Jamash | I will revert you |
| 23:18.16 | Shirik | I will fully protect the article |
| 23:18.26 | Jamash | I will appeal to arbcom |
| 23:18.35 | Shirik | :( |
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| 23:18.59 | Jamash | pats Shirik on the head. |
| 23:22.10 | Jamash | ack dog |
| 23:22.25 | Jamash | Nigel is afraid of fireworks :( |
| 23:22.44 | Jamash | he expresses this anxiety by climbing all over people |
| 23:23.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Sixen: halp |
| 23:24.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ~seen Sixen |
| 23:24.05 | purl | sixen is currently on #sc2mapster #wowuidev. Has said a total of 31 messages. Is idling for 46m 37s, last said: 'lol'. |
| 23:25.40 | Jamash | what's up SB1? |
| 23:26.00 | Shirik | hi ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:26.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I needs my Sixen |
| 23:26.07 | Jamash | damn it typing in "what is love?" to Wolfram Alpha doesn't cause it to explode |
| 23:26.21 | Jamash | everything I know about AI is a lie |
| 23:26.50 | Jamash | although the answer is pretty funny |
| 23:31.20 | Shirik | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+is+the+answer+to+life,+the+universe,+and+everything%3F |
| 23:43.05 | Kalroth | Shirik: i found this engineer chart but it doesnt mention j http://fukung.net/v/29474/f95aaf88b21ad7c08d30b4f83b1c259b.jpg (kinda nsfw) |
| 23:55.31 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: ping |
