| 00:03.38 | Sixen | Same =| |
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| 00:09.46 | frontendloader | did anyone catch knuth's big announcement today? |
| 00:10.25 | Hjalte | The polar bear? |
| 00:17.01 | Wobin | Donald? |
| 00:17.10 | Tuller | yes |
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| 00:17.27 | Jerub | he had a big announcement planned for tug2010 |
| 00:17.31 | Jerub | i don't see it on the net yet |
| 00:20.22 | alestane | The whole project is basically a wrapper, amro. |
| 00:20.32 | alestane | So yes, I'll need to write more than one. |
| 00:21.10 | amro | alestane: I'm not sure how far into development you are or if you can afford big rewrites, but I'd suggest using C++/Qt4 |
| 00:21.28 | amro | solved my crossplatform nightmare |
| 00:21.56 | Cide | or python/qt4 |
| 00:22.58 | amro | that too, PySide is quite nice |
| 00:23.28 | alestane | Some existing multi-platform development shell? |
| 00:23.51 | amro | PySide? that's the qt4 bindings |
| 00:23.54 | amro | for python |
| 00:23.55 | alestane | And no, I am not writing a Lua wrapper to a shell in Python. |
| 00:24.16 | Cide | there's also pyqt |
| 00:24.18 | Cide | @ amro |
| 00:24.34 | amro | yeah but it's not new and shiny and cool like pyside is |
| 00:24.35 | Cide | alestane, wasn't sure what you needed the lua wrapper for |
| 00:24.48 | Cide | pyside is better then? |
| 00:24.50 | alestane | That's where the actual game flow code gets written. |
| 00:24.51 | Cide | I've only tried pyqt |
| 00:24.57 | Cide | ah |
| 00:25.05 | Cide | well if you know python it's just as good of a scripting language :) |
| 00:25.06 | amro | isn't there a licensing issue with pyqt anyway? |
| 00:25.11 | Cide | no clue there |
| 00:25.32 | amro | alestane: I'm currently working on a C++/Qt/Lua game engine |
| 00:25.49 | alestane | Who isn't? |
| 00:26.00 | amro | cide, for starters. |
| 00:26.09 | Cide | I use Python/Qt/Python |
| 00:26.14 | amro | ^^ |
| 00:26.22 | amro | also, I use opengl |
| 00:26.33 | amro | and now bullet, too |
| 00:26.47 | alestane | I thought about producing an abstraction layer between the Lua and the OS, but since the whole shell basically IS an abstraction layer, that seemed silly. |
| 00:28.27 | Cide | you can always use c++/qt/python/boost.python |
| 00:28.33 | Cide | ftw |
| 00:28.39 | Cide | screw that lua stuff~ |
| 00:28.44 | amro | ~lart Cide |
| 00:28.44 | purl | DoSes Cide |
| 00:29.04 | amro | I'm doing the bulk of the work in C++ |
| 00:29.20 | amro | then, I describe the game logic via a high level lua API |
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| 00:30.30 | alestane | It's a functional and well-established scripting language, Cide, but the bulk of its use is outside the gaming magisterium. |
| 00:30.51 | Cide | it's more powerful and expressive than lua though |
| 00:30.52 | amro | looks up magisterium |
| 00:30.59 | alestane | And heavier. |
| 00:31.06 | Cide | and just because it's used more outside game development doesn't make it less appropriate |
| 00:31.10 | Cide | EVE online uses it, fyi |
| 00:31.11 | amro | python's lambdas can go to hell |
| 00:31.21 | Cide | of all the features you cry about lambdas? :P |
| 00:31.23 | amro | my biggest peeve with python |
| 00:31.24 | amro | yes |
| 00:31.38 | Cide | I admit, it's a bit clunky to do a dictionary of functions |
| 00:31.42 | amro | I love me some inline funciton definitions |
| 00:31.44 | Cide | you usually don't need that |
| 00:32.35 | alestane | I don't personally have many problems with Python, but it's harder to communicate to beginners as well. It has many concepts compared to Lua. |
| 00:32.45 | Cide | possibly |
| 00:33.00 | amro | lua is also easier to embed |
| 00:33.08 | Cide | I'd argue that the basics are pretty much just as simple to learn, however |
| 00:33.16 | Cide | but amro's argument is very true |
| 00:33.39 | amro | it's not about learning curve for me, I know both languages |
| 00:33.52 | amro | and I experimented with both for embedding |
| 00:33.59 | amro | lua comes out on top for me |
| 00:34.17 | amro | but I guess it depends on intended usage |
| 00:34.26 | amro | like I said, the bulk is implemented in C++ |
| 00:34.32 | Cide | shrug |
| 00:34.34 | amro | Lua mostly contains event handlers |
| 00:34.38 | Cide | I find I accomplish stuff faster in python |
| 00:34.52 | Cide | with proper classes and heck, += |
| 00:35.00 | amro | hehe |
| 00:35.03 | alestane | I can solve a mathematical problem or such fast in Python. |
| 00:35.18 | Tuller | prototypes ftw |
| 00:35.19 | amro | I'm happy with the system I have in place now |
| 00:35.32 | amro | you can even subclass the builtin classes from Lua |
| 00:35.44 | Cide | I've actually made a physics engine in python |
| 00:35.46 | Cide | it was awesome |
| 00:35.52 | Cide | and buggy but that's another story |
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| 00:36.11 | alestane | But my plan also includes a graphical editor similar to GameMaker, so the particular language is less of a factor in a lot of ways. |
| 00:36.26 | amro | then you definitely want to use Qt |
| 00:36.47 | amro | jump on the bandwagon now, while Qt Quick is still the cool kid on the block |
| 00:37.56 | alestane | The problem with platform-agnostic architectures in my experience has been that they don't look right on any platform. |
| 00:38.32 | amro | I haven't had that problem with qt, to be honest. plus you can always do platform specific tweaks if you really need to |
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| 00:39.07 | alestane | Also, what is it running on top of on OS X? |
| 00:39.12 | alestane | X11? |
| 00:39.13 | Cide | Qt has platform-native interfaces |
| 00:39.28 | Cide | but you can also use a unified cross-platform interface if you so wish |
| 00:39.32 | amro | I don't know, but from screenshots it looked exactly like other mac apps |
| 00:39.42 | Dagmar | WHat you can't have is Qt and "fast" |
| 00:39.47 | Cide | cry more |
| 00:39.51 | amro | I said quick, not fast. |
| 00:40.06 | Cide | qt is fast enough for most all purposes |
| 00:40.13 | amro | also, since when is the GUI a bottleneck? |
| 00:40.17 | alestane | Because if it's written mostly in C++, I'd expect it to use the Carbon APIs for UI implementation, and they don't support 64-bit. |
| 00:40.30 | Dagmar | amro: The moment you touch wxWidgets |
| 00:41.09 | Cide | alestane, some quick googling: http://qt.nokia.com/about/news/qt-4.5-beta-previews-64-bit-on-mac/ |
| 00:41.11 | amro | I'd rather use win32 |
| 00:41.58 | Cide | it's currently on 4.6 so I'm guessing that support is in and stable |
| 00:42.11 | amro | 4.7 is around the corner with delicious features |
| 00:42.19 | Dagmar | YEah but you note that "nokia" bit on the URL? Qt does at least run practically everywhere |
| 00:42.28 | amro | the annoying thing about Qt is that you always wish you were developing with the upcoming version |
| 00:42.37 | Cide | Dagmar, what? |
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| 00:43.45 | Dagmar | Cide: Qt is the one widget set that I know of that just keeps popping up like a bad penny. Nokia helped them port it to loads of places |
| 00:43.54 | Cide | and that's bad? |
| 00:44.14 | amro | btw Cide, there are licensing issues with pyqt |
| 00:44.20 | Dagmar | Not bad, but very annoying when you build it from source |
| 00:44.22 | Cide | going to switch to pyside then |
| 00:44.27 | amro | namely, no LGPL license |
| 00:44.32 | amro | if your project is GPL, you're fine |
| 00:44.36 | Cide | so don't build it from source |
| 00:44.43 | Dagmar | ...cuz their build harness is like XFree used to be--just doin their own thing |
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| 01:03.23 | Kraps | lol @ me not knowing how to use a roll-down window shade :/ |
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| 01:08.13 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25626285592/so-is-the-nda-lifted/ |
| 01:11.18 | Thunder_Child | oh..nice |
| 01:12.11 | Thunder_Child | so i can begin to bitch |
| 01:12.11 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: you're been in the alpha? |
| 01:12.12 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 01:12.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: you could have always bitched |
| 01:12.16 | NightHawkTheSane | just not to most people |
| 01:12.23 | Thunder_Child | fair enough |
| 01:12.28 | Thunder_Child | i did to A-KO |
| 01:12.33 | kd3 | yawns |
| 01:12.39 | kd3 | there's so much I can talk about now. yay |
| 01:12.42 | Kraps | WUT! |
| 01:13.18 | Kraps | Thunder_Child! |
| 01:13.27 | Thunder_Child | Kraps! |
| 01:13.27 | Xinhuan | lol nda |
| 01:23.02 | Dagmar | I've just been looking over the screenshots and making notes about where to *not* logout |
| 01:23.31 | Dagmar | I'd rather be sure my first time in Cata doesn't involve a run back from the graveyard |
| 01:25.01 | Dagmar | Gonna try to avoid that whole "#1 enemy: Gravity" thing that was plaguing me during wrath |
| 01:25.50 | Jerub | Dagmar: hm? |
| 01:26.05 | Jerub | Dagmar: just play a drood. hit your flight form in mid air :P |
| 01:26.56 | Thunder_Child | i hate people |
| 01:27.04 | Thunder_Child | or just log out in mid air |
| 01:28.55 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: so what's it like? do they have the new questlines installed yet? |
| 01:29.09 | Jerub | have they made the quest rewards worth looking at in classic? |
| 01:29.14 | kd3 | yes to both |
| 01:29.19 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: almost all of EK is done |
| 01:29.26 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaydeethree |
| 01:29.34 | Thunder_Child | kalmidor had some work left i think |
| 01:29.41 | kd3 | I've got a few zones uploaded that I've documented already |
| 01:30.27 | Thunder_Child | not sure i like the starting linear progression. however it is prolly better for beginers |
| 01:30.50 | kd3 | I do. much more cohesive story (look at freaking westfall) now |
| 01:31.12 | Thunder_Child | i like playing an opened ended rpg for a reason |
| 01:31.21 | Thunder_Child | open* |
| 01:31.39 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: how do you mean linear proression? |
| 01:31.48 | NightHawkTheSane | you're fooling yourself if you think wow's really open ended :P |
| 01:31.52 | kd3 | [[Westfall storyline]] |
| 01:31.55 | kd3 | ... |
| 01:32.06 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: the begning zones lead you around by the nose |
| 01:32.09 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Westfall_storyline |
| 01:32.13 | Thunder_Child | go here. then here. then here. |
| 01:32.17 | kd3 | ^post-cataclysm westfall quests |
| 01:32.35 | kd3 | [[Worgen starting experience]] and [[Goblin starting experience]] too |
| 01:32.40 | Jerub | oh, cool. |
| 01:33.13 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: i find it similar to say...oblivion which is concidered that |
| 01:33.29 | Jerub | it sure beats the current experience, where you have to run tourguide to know what quests are super annoying. |
| 01:33.38 | Dagmar | Jerub: Flight form will be pretty poor consolation if where I was happens to be the location of some big chunk of stone |
| 01:34.02 | Sargeras | kd3 has been busy ;p |
| 01:34.12 | Dagmar | It's not like I'd gib, but _falling through the world_ is something I'm not a fan of either |
| 01:34.13 | Jerub | at least if they lead you around by the nose, they can present you with a consistent story. |
| 01:34.32 | Thunder_Child | yes, because thats what most people play for |
| 01:35.10 | Dagmar | Nah you can tell what quests are annoying because they say "go waaayy over there and bring me back 20 of something every mob you kill should have...like spider legs." |
| 01:35.25 | Dagmar | I like story |
| 01:35.39 | Dagmar | I like having a good solid reason to go on a genocidal rampage |
| 01:35.52 | Thunder_Child | because you feel like it |
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| 01:35.56 | Thunder_Child | like you need a reason |
| 01:36.00 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 01:36.14 | Dagmar | I was somewhat irked that I had to explain WTF was up with the Thrall escape to my guild |
| 01:36.56 | Dagmar | "C'mon guys, Thrall almost had a peace going and got screwed by literally EVERYONE... It's time to kick some asses!" |
| 01:37.10 | Jerub | Dagmar: at least now you know what 'way of there means' because of inbuilt quest area indicators |
| 01:37.16 | Jerub | in the old days there wasn't even that |
| 01:37.52 | Dagmar | Nah, I generally ran all over and has a fairly clear idea of hte lay of the land |
| 01:38.03 | Dagmar | Old EverQuest habits |
| 01:38.12 | Jerub | Dagmar: the quest text didn't always contain accurate information |
| 01:38.19 | Jerub | usually it was vague an ambiguous. |
| 01:38.31 | Dagmar | Yeah well, compared to EverQuest... they were practically GPS coordinates |
| 01:38.35 | Cide | Dagmar, so fly farther up |
| 01:38.55 | Cide | if you're that scared |
| 01:39.19 | Dagmar | Definitely *not* flying until I know what kind of air defenses might be involved in my return |
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| 01:39.29 | Cide | .... what? |
| 01:39.47 | kd3 | what's going to most likely happen is we get ported to a capital city on 4.0 patch day |
| 01:39.50 | kd3 | >.> |
| 01:39.50 | Cide | mobs don't collide |
| 01:39.55 | Dagmar | Not scared, Just sick of seeing large numbers of falling deaths because I was careless |
| 01:40.07 | Cide | if you fly far up you're safe, period |
| 01:41.14 | Dagmar | You underestimate the degree to which gravity haunts my toons, man |
| 01:41.27 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: you are way to anal about this |
| 01:41.31 | Cide | gravity doesn't affect you at all on a flying mount |
| 01:41.32 | Dagmar | If BRK had really gotten the [It's Raining Dwarves!] achievement he wanted, I'd have had it |
| 01:42.04 | Dagmar | I've gone flying off the side of about everyplace in wrath |
| 01:42.31 | Jerub | what about outland? |
| 01:42.38 | Jerub | surely there wre more opportunities for that in outland |
| 01:42.43 | Dagmar | ...including during the last bit of the escape from LK |
| 01:42.49 | Dagmar | Jerub: I managed that my first day |
| 01:43.02 | Jerub | Dagmar: hehe, i've had people do that |
| 01:43.15 | Jerub | it's especially fun when you think, "we're a little undergeared for this" then you have to 4man the escape |
| 01:43.18 | Jerub | (and barely win) |
| 01:43.49 | Dagmar | I'm just glad Blizz didn't put any mobs that would do punting attacks near ledges |
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| 01:45.55 | Dagmar | Also, keep in mind I came to WoW from EQ... and if you fell into some hole in EQ and died, you were basically fucked. |
| 01:46.11 | Jerub | Dagmar: oh? |
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| 01:47.02 | Dagmar | Jerub: There was one big and very interesting *looking* hole in EQ that dropped you straight into what amounted to a raid instasnce. |
| 01:47.06 | Dagmar | ...and there your gear stayed., |
| 01:47.10 | Dagmar | Yay. |
| 01:47.31 | Jerub | Dagmar: oh.. so uh.. you couldn't recover it ? |
| 01:47.44 | Dagmar | You then got a week to try to talk people into letting your naked ass tag along so you could grab your stuff and recall out |
| 01:48.13 | Cide | and this has to do with wow? |
| 01:48.23 | Dagmar | Mental scarring. |
| 01:48.26 | Jerub | Cide: because dagmar is mr. gravityhatesme |
| 01:49.15 | Dagmar | Hey man it's pretty humiliating to be playing BM and just slaughtering things enmasse...and then WHOOPS *splat* |
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| 01:49.21 | Dagmar | Gravity takes you out . |
| 01:49.32 | Kraps | i'm glad that this question will never go away |
| 01:49.43 | Kraps | wait no i'm not |
| 01:51.11 | Dagmar | EQ was also fond of doing things like putting a *slippery ice bridge* in the middle of a dungeon. Another thing I'm glad Blizz has resisted the lure of. |
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| 01:51.54 | Jerub | sounds very sony... |
| 01:52.18 | kd3 | oh, goblin ideas at their finest: http://www.wowwiki.com/Kaja%27Cola |
| 01:52.21 | Jerub | blizzard/wow very much have a 'no permamant consequences' policy |
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| 01:53.55 | Dagmar | "Games you can play with your face!" <-- hahaha |
| 01:54.19 | kd3 | some of those I expect did not make it out of alpha... |
| 01:55.58 | Jerub | # State-sponsored healthcare! |
| 01:56.10 | Jerub | # Tauren Paladins! |
| 02:02.16 | AbsolutRayne | Ho hum |
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| 02:12.14 | Dagmar | I note that nowhere in that list does it mention things like "fail-safes" and "safeties". |
| 02:12.27 | kd3 | goblins don't do "safe" |
| 02:12.44 | Dagmar | Yeah... makes me glad I picked gnomish engineering |
| 02:13.03 | kd3 | the starting experience (and a good bit of azshara) make that abundantly clear |
| 02:18.01 | Kraps | huh, nice work by bibi and the crew |
| 02:18.38 | cogwheel | identicons are cool |
| 02:19.30 | cogwheel | d'oh... spent the last hour *NOT* downloading the alphabet patch |
| 02:19.43 | Wobin | I remember one of my first times in HoR gauntlet |
| 02:20.09 | cogwheel | (i believe i just coined "alphabet patch"... must google to verify) |
| 02:22.03 | Wobin | both the tank and myself (healer) just walked into a gap and got stuck |
| 02:22.52 | Kraps | the skywall is so hawt |
| 02:25.08 | Xinhuan | so if i can commit to SVN, but get a 502 bad gateway on trying to branch/tag, what does that mean? |
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| 02:27.50 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 02:28.39 | Thunder_Child | it means they win |
| 02:30.30 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLTIowBF0kE |
| 02:32.32 | kd3 | yay, finally. patch done downloading |
| 02:32.52 | Xinhuan | server's still down kd3 :P |
| 02:33.13 | bluspacecow | EU still down ? |
| 02:33.23 | kd3 | and? I can finally start emailing my ui diffs now... and other data extraction goodies I've been waiting to do for a few hours now |
| 02:33.51 | Xinhuan | check if they merged in the real ID stuff |
| 02:33.51 | Shadowed | kd3: Are you emailing out the latest CC? |
| 02:33.59 | Shadowed | diffs or everything |
| 02:35.33 | kd3 | since this is the first non-nda build I'm just going to do a live->current diff |
| 02:35.40 | kd3 | I'll be doing the usual after that |
| 02:35.46 | Shadowed | kk |
| 02:36.06 | bluspacecow | nda build kd3 ? are you on some beta somewhere ? |
| 02:36.08 | Shadowed | Anyone able to upload the full Lua/XML files for it? |
| 02:36.16 | Shadowed | He means he was in the alpha :p |
| 02:36.21 | bluspacecow | cat alpha |
| 02:36.22 | Shadowed | and it's the first build he can upload |
| 02:36.23 | bluspacecow | oh right |
| 02:36.26 | bluspacecow | nvm |
| 02:36.28 | bluspacecow | move along people |
| 02:36.42 | kd3 | technically I could send out the old ones, but there's no point. we can't run mods right now anyway |
| 02:36.46 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:36.58 | Shadowed | yea |
| 02:37.13 | Shadowed | I've got some old versions of it, just going to start developing some stuff for SUf |
| 02:37.28 | Shadowed | but I doubt it's changed a huge amount |
| 02:37.33 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 02:38.14 | bluspacecow | im looking a kelogger spam email in my box telling me that the IP range "10.4.11.x" range has been blocked |
| 02:38.17 | bluspacecow | comedy gold right there |
| 02:40.35 | cogwheel | http://blog.cogwheel.info/2010/06/totally-random-made-up-term-for-day-3.html |
| 02:40.46 | bluspacecow | hai cog |
| 02:40.49 | cogwheel | ohai |
| 02:41.57 | kd3 | hm... 56k lines, 2.2MB of diff |
| 02:41.59 | kd3 | >.< |
| 02:42.07 | bluspacecow | ow kd |
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| 02:43.05 | Jerub | ponders lying about what's in cataclysm on forums and blogs |
| 02:43.23 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 02:43.30 | bluspacecow | do it do it do it do eeeet |
| 02:43.32 | cogwheel | Adys: you'd be proud of my rip on Microsoft in that link ;) |
| 02:43.41 | bluspacecow | nothing like a good bit of misinformation to mix up the works |
| 02:44.31 | Shadowed | Adys I was going to yell at you for something |
| 02:44.32 | Shadowed | but I forgot what |
| 02:44.37 | Shadowed | oh |
| 02:44.45 | bluspacecow | for eating all the pies ? |
| 02:44.47 | bluspacecow | yes thats it |
| 02:44.48 | Shadowed | I assume meta requirements aren't listed because you don't have them yet? |
| 02:48.26 | cogwheel | yay! [Play] button! |
| 02:48.36 | bluspacecow | lolz cog |
| 02:49.00 | cogwheel | Ackis: now you know why i haven't been playing STO :> |
| 02:49.36 | bluspacecow | no play button? |
| 02:49.46 | cogwheel | no... alpha :P |
| 02:49.50 | cogwheel | just finished patching to beta |
| 02:50.53 | cogwheel | no servers ... not surprised... |
| 02:51.38 | Jerub | i'm going to wait for the real thing to come out i think, not apply for the beta program |
| 02:52.07 | Jerub | i can't imagine having my precious level 85 reset back to 80 :/ |
| 02:53.05 | cogwheel | I have alt-itis... it's a copy anyway, and the content does change a bit. they leave out some of the cooler stuff. |
| 02:53.32 | cogwheel | unless you do a few characters in all the zones, you won't have a problem i bet |
| 02:54.03 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 02:54.20 | cogwheel | well, assuming you don't mind seeing content :P |
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| 02:54.56 | cogwheel | if you're one of "those" people who just thinks levelling is a dumb way to get to the real game, then i fart in your general direction |
| 02:55.00 | cogwheel | :P |
| 02:55.50 | ScytheBlade1 | so I just found out that my place of employment offers heavily discounted mortgages |
| 02:56.21 | bluspacecow | new content = game porn |
| 02:56.55 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: that's cool... i just forced my mortgage company to give me a big discount ;) |
| 02:57.37 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: similar to the "I saved money by switching to allstate." "I saved money by threatning my agent with a golf club." ? |
| 02:58.02 | cogwheel | it involved a law firm, though more as a "make sure all the forms get filled correctly" service |
| 02:58.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 02:58.30 | cogwheel | $600 less a month =D |
| 02:58.40 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 02:58.43 | ScytheBlade1 | very nice |
| 03:01.01 | kd3 | emails away |
| 03:01.18 | Duman | yo |
| 03:01.22 | cogwheel | they also nag me to make sure i'm keeping the new payments regularly since i'm on a trial period... |
| 03:01.26 | cogwheel | (the firm) |
| 03:01.43 | ScytheBlade1 | my dad does mortgages |
| 03:01.54 | ScytheBlade1 | he had a couple who was 1y 5mo into their mortgage |
| 03:01.59 | ScytheBlade1 | both were fired out of the blue |
| 03:02.06 | ScytheBlade1 | defaulted on that 1y6mo payment by $20 |
| 03:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lost their house because banks suck |
| 03:02.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ... and thats why i have no intention of 'owning' a home. |
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| 03:03.24 | ScytheBlade1 | if they had made that payment, they would have had a LOT more flexibility |
| 03:03.26 | ScytheBlade1 | but they didn't, so gg |
| 03:03.47 | NightHawkTheSane | it really shouldn't have made a difference. |
| 03:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | in an ideal world, I would agree |
| 03:04.01 | cogwheel | miki became unemployed a year after we moved in. But since she worked seasonally (two wine releases a year, same place i work), we didn't know about it until she was ineligible for unemployment |
| 03:05.40 | cogwheel | and in a way it's my fault, since i made the whole ordering process so much more efficient >< |
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| 03:09.31 | Shadowed | MagicButton_OnLoad(self); |
| 03:09.32 | Shadowed | best name |
| 03:12.56 | Shadowed | Also Xinhuan, no they didn't merge realid in yet |
| 03:13.59 | kd3 | they said it was probably going to be a while on the forums |
| 03:15.14 | frontendloader | did they turn addons back on |
| 03:15.16 | frontendloader | for beta |
| 03:15.28 | Iriel | Hm, there goes any chance of getting peace and quiet on a cataclysm server |
| 03:15.39 | Shadowed | :P |
| 03:15.40 | kd3 | dunno. servers are back up. patch notes indicate no, but they're semi-out-of-date |
| 03:15.44 | frontendloader | pff |
| 03:15.47 | frontendloader | roll PvP server |
| 03:15.49 | Shadowed | From what I've heard addons are disabled still |
| 03:15.49 | kd3 | not* back up |
| 03:16.01 | Iriel | Addons are still disabled, so says the patch notes |
| 03:16.08 | frontendloader | agh |
| 03:16.12 | frontendloader | I really need a bag mod :( |
| 03:16.28 | frontendloader | or write myself a macro that'll sort out all the greys |
| 03:16.44 | kd3 | look at McRun and one-bag? I've got a sell-grays macro on my userpage |
| 03:17.00 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaydeethree/Macros |
| 03:17.39 | frontendloader | if any of you want some portable holes |
| 03:17.51 | Shadowed | They still have the Blizzcon disabling of stuff in |
| 03:17.58 | Shadowed | So they're a bit behind on merging code :p |
| 03:18.06 | frontendloader | disabling what stuff? |
| 03:18.12 | Jerub | frontendloader: uh, i found a checkbox in auctioneer that causes my greys to be sold (after prompting) as soon as i open a vendor window |
| 03:18.13 | Shadowed | The options stuff in ESC |
| 03:18.26 | Jerub | frontendloader: i use ArkInventory too, but that's unrelayed. |
| 03:18.29 | Jerub | er unrelated. |
| 03:18.44 | Jerub | i used to use kd3's macro |
| 03:18.53 | frontendloader | yeah I'll have to use the macro |
| 03:19.42 | Iriel | Think of it as an exercise in TESTING THE BASE UI. 8-) |
| 03:19.47 | Iriel | It's really not that bad |
| 03:19.55 | Shadowed | Why would I want to test the base UI |
| 03:19.58 | Shadowed | beta is for addons :P |
| 03:20.02 | frontendloader | bag mod is the only thing I really miss :/ |
| 03:20.03 | Iriel | Plus, things changed, so you should familiarize yourself before you hide it behind the same old crap |
| 03:20.15 | kd3 | how quickly did cogwheel write his mods-in-a-macro library? >.> |
| 03:20.16 | Iriel | (Not that bags appear to be in the 'changed' list) |
| 03:20.36 | Shadowed | Already trying to figure out if I can maintain a single branch of SUF with CC changes :< |
| 03:20.39 | Torhal | Still 12-slot backpacks, eh? |
| 03:20.42 | Iriel | loadstring a saved variable |
| 03:21.15 | frontendloader | backpacks are 16 slots |
| 03:21.19 | frontendloader | afaik |
| 03:21.23 | Iriel | indeed, they are |
| 03:21.40 | Torhal | Bah |
| 03:21.49 | Iriel | I was thinking that could be the latest tailoring based money sink for cata -- backpack extensions |
| 03:21.50 | tekkub | it looks like the cat build kd3 sent out last merged 3.3.3 |
| 03:21.58 | tekkub | it doesn't have the 3.3.5 changes in it |
| 03:22.00 | Iriel | that way they can avoid making normal bags super huge |
| 03:22.25 | Iriel | I doubt they'd have even begun merging 3.3.5 until it was stable on live |
| 03:22.29 | frontendloader | I've got 22s on my priest and they're all full :( |
| 03:22.32 | Iriel | That's how I'd do it if I was king |
| 03:22.35 | frontendloader | I have an attraction to junk |
| 03:23.41 | bluspacecow | *bats torhal's hair* |
| 03:24.00 | bluspacecow | meowwrrrrrrr |
| 03:24.10 | Shadowed | augh |
| 03:24.14 | Shadowed | all these OSX diff programs are awful |
| 03:24.15 | kd3 | I just double-checked... cataclysm doesn't have the 3.3.5 bnet stuff in |
| 03:24.52 | kd3 | last I heard that was intentional |
| 03:24.55 | Shadowed | GuildInfoDetails:SetText("This is guild information line 1\nThis is guild information line 2\nThis is guild information line 3\nThis is guild information line 4\nThis is guild information line 5\nThis is guild information line 6\nThis is guild information line 7\nThis is guild information line 8\nThis is guild information line 9\nThis is guild information line 10"); |
| 03:24.56 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 03:25.22 | DWSR | Hey, I have a really wierd networking/Windows problem, if anyone would like to help me. I am currently using ICS to share my wireless network connection from my laptop to my desktop. It has been working fine until recently, when I noticed large latency spikes. Upon watching my Task manager on my laptop, I've noticed that the Link speed for my wireless connection keeps bouncing from 54mbps to... |
| 03:25.24 | Xinhuan | slaps Shadowed away with a large trout |
| 03:25.26 | DWSR | 11mbps and back again. The wireless network is currently set to G only and a channel that is free of other networks. Halp? |
| 03:25.29 | Shadowed | :P |
| 03:25.53 | Xinhuan | DWSR: buy a cable |
| 03:25.55 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 03:26.14 | DWSR | Xinhuan: It'd need to be at least 300 feet. |
| 03:26.55 | Torhal | bluspacecow: gief beta key |
| 03:27.21 | tekkub | Shadowed: you don't need a diff prog... http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/commit/69441228d4a443bd14a2797d14cc69c8a8d2fe3c |
| 03:27.40 | Shadowed | I'd rather use a graphical one that doesn't have load time :p |
| 03:27.55 | Shadowed | or try and list 50000 file comparisons at once |
| 03:28.09 | tekkub | *eyeroll* |
| 03:28.23 | tekkub | well if I had access to the aplha diffs, it'd be betterer :P |
| 03:29.07 | Shadowed | oh hey |
| 03:29.15 | bluspacecow | Torhal : i don't has ... *goes back to batting hair* |
| 03:29.19 | Shadowed | the level gained stuff is kind of nice |
| 03:29.21 | bluspacecow | so |
| 03:29.24 | Xinhuan | i didn't bother with alpha diffs because... well addons were disabled |
| 03:29.25 | kd3 | shadowed; yes, yes it is |
| 03:29.30 | bluspacecow | whos coming to Blizzcon |
| 03:29.32 | Jerub | why is it i think 'japanese canneries' when i see: 'Spectacular day' for whale researchers in abc news headlines? |
| 03:33.08 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 03:33.39 | Shadowed | Looks like they are deprecating all of the UNIT_<POWER> events, or at least moving away from the |
| 03:33.40 | Shadowed | m |
| 03:35.25 | Torhal | bluspacecow: bluspaceCAT? |
| 03:35.33 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 03:43.55 | Jerub | sigh@people who think that a level 78 tank can't tank ahune |
| 03:45.01 | Cide | Jerub, I have healed a blue-geared warrior through HoR |
| 03:45.06 | Cide | completely blue-geared that is |
| 03:45.11 | Cide | thus anything is possible |
| 03:45.18 | Jerub | Cide: norm or h hor? |
| 03:45.21 | Cide | heroic |
| 03:45.27 | Cide | of course the warrior was my friend and he's an awesome tank, but still |
| 03:45.32 | Jerub | Cide: ... you shouldn't even be able to queue for that. |
| 03:45.41 | Cide | we did |
| 03:45.56 | Cide | maybe he had a ToC epic, no idea |
| 03:45.59 | Jerub | the only times i've failed on ahune on my warrior is when the dps or healer did something retarted. |
| 03:46.02 | Cide | this was right after it was released |
| 03:46.03 | Jerub | or d/c'd. |
| 03:46.09 | Jerub | oh right, before LFD |
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| 04:11.00 | airtonix | yeaboi! |
| 04:12.51 | Kraps | airtonix: old |
| 04:12.54 | Arrowmaster | http://www.trueachievements.com/a46480/master-blacksmith-achievement.htm |
| 04:12.56 | Arrowmaster | FIRST! |
| 04:13.25 | airtonix | :( |
| 04:13.52 | airtonix | searches for a fiskerBrand razor |
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| 04:22.53 | Kraps | lol Arrowmaster |
| 04:23.18 | Arrowmaster | ive been saving up in game just to have enough to get a weapon to max level for that achievement |
| 04:24.42 | eidolarr | hey I have an addon that I am using homemade interface options for, but I would like to use AceDB's profile gui; can I get the frame built by that easily? |
| 04:25.10 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:25.29 | eidolarr | really? there's no AceOptionsToFrame function? |
| 04:25.45 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:25.47 | eidolarr | i guess it redraws it every time according to changes in the table |
| 04:25.51 | eidolarr | ugh |
| 04:26.38 | Arrowmaster | no AceDBProfile just inserts the needed options into an AceConfig-3.0 options table |
| 04:27.33 | eidolarr | and just to make sure i understand, there's no AceConfig-3.0 function to build a frame out of a table? |
| 04:27.55 | Arrowmaster | not build one but you can display one however you want |
| 04:28.13 | Arrowmaster | download Ace3 and look at the file thats not part of any library |
| 04:28.28 | Wobin | cog|movie: the html5 instant rimshot needs a more friendly url |
| 04:28.36 | Arrowmaster | it sets up the /ace3 command |
| 04:29.50 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, ? |
| 04:30.16 | airtonix | eidolarr, also: why not use the config interface provided by the game ? |
| 04:30.17 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 04:30.43 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, did ace3 drop the ace3gui ? |
| 04:30.51 | Arrowmaster | did it? |
| 04:30.53 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 04:31.21 | airtonix | cries |
| 04:31.28 | Seerah | airtonix: drop it? |
| 04:31.45 | airtonix | the thing that takes the thing and gives you a thing |
| 04:31.50 | Seerah | :p |
| 04:31.58 | airtonix | THE THING! |
| 04:32.15 | bluspaceCat | the thing on the thing in the thing in the car ? |
| 04:32.19 | Seerah | are you talking about "the thing" that you get when you type /ace3? |
| 04:32.37 | Seerah | bluspaceCat: when did you turn into a cat? :p |
| 04:32.54 | bluspaceCat | when i started batting torhal's long hair |
| 04:32.59 | Seerah | hehe |
| 04:33.01 | bluspaceCat | *bats Torhal's hair* |
| 04:33.30 | Seerah | airtonix: if so, then do you have Ace3 installed (and enabled) as a standalone addon? |
| 04:34.25 | eidolarr | airtonix: what do you mean? I'm using the interface options panel, I'm just not using AceOptions for my options menu, and I was hoping to still use the AceDB stuff |
| 04:35.09 | airtonix | i stopped playing wow a year ago |
| 04:35.10 | eidolarr | airtonix: the gui says that acegui-3.0 isn't really supported as something for addon writers to use, more of a backend for aceconfig |
| 04:35.20 | eidolarr | s/the gui says/the wiki says |
| 04:35.41 | airtonix | i didn't have any problems using it to create a gui for my ouf layout |
| 04:35.41 | eidolarr | i'm sorry airtonix, first one was not meant for you |
| 04:35.50 | eidolarr | Arrowmaster: what do you mean? I'm using the interface options panel, I'm just not using AceOptions for my options menu, and I was hoping to still use the AceDB stuff |
| 04:36.28 | eidolarr | airtonix: I think that's fine, it's more of an excuse for why it's not documented or exlpained |
| 04:36.47 | Arrowmaster | well you still have to use AceOptions, even if you only use it for the profile stuff |
| 04:37.01 | eidolarr | yeah that is the sad conclusion i have come to |
| 04:37.23 | Seerah | isn't there a way to get the stock profile options for AceConfig? |
| 04:37.36 | eidolarr | unless there's a nice way to embed an arbitrary frame into an aceoptions config dialog, I can't use aceoptions |
| 04:37.38 | Seerah | you have to make sure to register it with blizz options, etc |
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| 04:37.46 | Amarande | sooooo |
| 04:37.49 | Amarande | has RS been cleared yet? :) |
| 04:37.53 | Arrowmaster | eidolarr: you can do it with AceGUI |
| 04:38.09 | Amarande | and why are people demanding even more evilly high levels of GS for RS than they did even for ICC25? |
| 04:38.18 | eidolarr | i don't see how that solves the acedb problem, i would still not be using an aceoptions table |
| 04:38.27 | Seerah | AceConfig |
| 04:38.33 | Amarande | heh, I got booed by trade chat the other day for criticizing GS too strongly |
| 04:38.45 | Amarande | apparently trade chat doesn't like hearing reason :| |
| 04:39.02 | Amarande | otoh I also learned one of the main reasons why GS is demanded. :) |
| 04:39.04 | airtonix | trade is the new rabble |
| 04:39.06 | bluspaceCat | pfft |
| 04:39.15 | bluspaceCat | who cares about Sheep Amarande ? |
| 04:39.18 | eidolarr | Seerah: i'm not sure i understand |
| 04:39.27 | Amarande | apparently, a large percentage of raids that demand a high GS are led by people with nowhere near that level |
| 04:39.35 | Amarande | who want to only have high GS people because then they don't have competition for gear drops :P |
| 04:39.38 | eidolarr | will AceConfig let me mix AceOptions datatables and hand crafted frames? |
| 04:39.40 | Arrowmaster | eidolarr: look at the Ace3.lua file in Ace3 |
| 04:39.42 | airtonix | sheep in numbers are great for taking stray bullets |
| 04:39.47 | Seerah | eidolarr: AceConfig-3.0 is the "front end" for AceGUI |
| 04:40.00 | bluspaceCat | new paladin spell : Sheep wall |
| 04:40.05 | airtonix | no paladin |
| 04:40.06 | airtonix | priest |
| 04:40.12 | airtonix | get it right yeah! |
| 04:40.14 | Shirik | tackles Seerah |
| 04:40.16 | bluspaceCat | literally a wall of sheep that baaaaa at bosses |
| 04:40.17 | Amarande | anyway |
| 04:40.17 | Arrowmaster | eidolarr: you dont have to put the AceConfig-3.0 gui into the blizzard options using its built in method |
| 04:40.20 | Amarande | has RS been cleared yet? :) |
| 04:40.21 | Seerah | tickles Shirik |
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| 04:40.42 | airtonix | hide ze bacon |
| 04:40.53 | Amarande | also zorba will probably hate my gamebooks when I write them. :) |
| 04:41.01 | Jerub | Amarande: cleared? as in, world/realm firsts? |
| 04:41.07 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah |
| 04:41.19 | Jerub | even on backwater dath'remar a pug did it within an hour of server boot |
| 04:41.29 | Amarande | apparently it hadn't been as of yesterday, since I'm sure Ensidia would have had something to say if it had been :) |
| 04:41.35 | airtonix | lol dath'remar |
| 04:42.06 | Seerah | eidolarr: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-dboptions-3-0/ (forgive me if you've already found this - I'm only following the conversation at a 50% capacity atm) |
| 04:42.12 | Jerub | Amarande: as of 'when' yesterday. |
| 04:42.17 | Jerub | it was done over 36 hours ago. |
| 04:42.22 | Amarande | Jerub: in the evening |
| 04:42.26 | Amarande | Eastern US time, that is |
| 04:42.26 | Jerub | Amarande: fuck you |
| 04:42.45 | Amarande | we were talking in silvermoon alliance trade about whether or not it had been cleared |
| 04:42.59 | Amarande | and I'd presumed it hadn't, since I figured if it had been cleared at all, there'd have been an ensidia post about it |
| 04:43.07 | eidolarr | Seerah and Arrowmaster: I'm not sure i'm being clear here - I know how to use AceOptions tables, and AceConfig3 to draw them and put them into InterfaceOptions, and I know how AceDB gives you an options table that you can insert in your own for profiles |
| 04:43.08 | Amarande | seeing as ensidia are supposed to be like the world's best guild these days |
| 04:43.34 | eidolarr | my problem is that my options includes a specialized frame that can't be represented with an AceOptions table, so I would like to combine handmade frames and AceOptions generated ones |
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| 04:44.35 | eidolarr | but I don't think AceOptions has a type for injecting arbitrary frames, and even if I crawl around in AceGui I am unconvinced that I'll be able to mix them |
| 04:44.43 | Seerah | iirc, you can't mix homebrew stuff with AceConfig (unless, perhaps, you registered your stuff with Blizz options as a sub-panel(?) of the other |
| 04:44.58 | Shadowed | You can mix homebrew with AceConfig if you do a custom widget |
| 04:45.02 | Shadowed | but you can't really do it super easily, no |
| 04:45.14 | Shadowed | And you can't exaclty mix it with AceGUI itself unless you're clever |
| 04:45.44 | eidolarr | is "can't really do it super easily" an understatement, or is it not too crazy difficult? |
| 04:45.54 | Shadowed | It's possible, but if you can avoid it I would |
| 04:46.05 | Arrowmaster | eidolarr: LOOK AT THE FILE ACE3.LUA IN ACE3!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:46.07 | bluspaceCat | would make things harder wouldn't it shadow ? |
| 04:46.12 | Shadowed | Well |
| 04:46.22 | Shadowed | Sorry re-read what you were asking |
| 04:46.43 | Shadowed | If you are just using AceGUI, it's very easy. If you are trying to use AceConfig it's harder unless you are just adding onto another widget, because you can't define your own custom frame type and pass custom arguments. |
| 04:46.52 | Shadowed | So if you can avoid it, do so |
| 04:47.23 | eidolarr | Arrowmaster: I don't understand what I am looking for |
| 04:48.04 | eidolarr | Shadowed: what if I don't need custom arguments, like if I can figure it all out withuot them? |
| 04:48.07 | Arrowmaster | it creates a frame with AceGUI and then opens AceConfigDialog inside that frame |
| 04:48.23 | Arrowmaster | which is exactly what you are asking to do |
| 04:54.34 | eidolarr | I see |
| 04:54.55 | eidolarr | and I could grope around inside of the profiles options table to pull out the frame drawn so as to not use the dropdown, right? |
| 04:59.54 | Amarande | heh, I see Zorba still hasn't woken up to my gamebook comment' |
| 05:00.11 | ZorbaTHut | huh wha |
| 05:02.58 | ZorbaTHut | also goddammit 45% dps on Ahune as tank |
| 05:03.04 | ZorbaTHut | the healer did 13% |
| 05:03.18 | ZorbaTHut | the ilvl230+ geared hunter did 11% >:( |
| 05:03.19 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i hate that shit. |
| 05:03.43 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i've been doing it on my warrior and the fucking icc geared party members either fail or ragequit |
| 05:03.49 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: (I'm level 79 now) |
| 05:04.00 | ZorbaTHut | I still haven't failed once, but sometimes it's a lot more of a headdesk moment than others |
| 05:04.07 | Shirik | did you know |
| 05:04.11 | Jerub | i've failed because of d/c healer |
| 05:04.22 | Shirik | If the selected descriptor is for a code segment, a far jump to a code segment at the same privilege level is performed. (If the selected code segment is at a different privilege level and the code segment is non-conforming, a general-protection exception is generated.) A far jump to the same privilege level in protected mode is very similar to one carried out in real-address or virtual-8086 mode. |
| 05:04.32 | Jerub | i've had to deal with 3+ submerges because of nub dps |
| 05:04.34 | Amarande | Zorba: I was saying you're going to pull hair out when I get my gamebooks done :) |
| 05:04.42 | Amarande | mainly because I have a feeling I may abuse the Black Cube paradigm pretty hard |
| 05:04.43 | Jerub | oh, and i've failed because of oom paladin healer |
| 05:04.46 | Amarande | you know what could be worse |
| 05:04.51 | Jerub | how the hell does a paladin in 230+ go oom on that fight? |
| 05:04.56 | Amarande | I could be including items that help you in some places and are Black Cubes elsewhere :D |
| 05:05.08 | ZorbaTHut | gamebooks? black cube paradigm? I admit to being confused :) |
| 05:05.14 | Amarande | (you do remember what the black cube did in lone wolf, right?) |
| 05:05.33 | ZorbaTHut | oh man, those gamebooks. no, I actually don't, I never played them - just read through someone's LP of it |
| 05:05.42 | Amarande | it's pretty much the prototype for the item that you pick up at one point |
| 05:05.44 | Amarande | it seems innocent enough |
| 05:05.50 | Amarande | and then you die because you have it, later on :) |
| 05:06.06 | ZorbaTHut | haha, right |
| 05:06.13 | Amarande | the biggest examples being the Black Cube in Masters of Darkness, and the Stone Dagger in Mydnight's Hero |
| 05:06.26 | Amarande | the Black Cube turns out to be a bomb, and kaboom you go as you get near the end if you have one |
| 05:06.45 | Amarande | the Stone Dagger, well at one point the good guy lord doesn't trust you and arrests you, and if you have it he thinks you're evil and has you executed |
| 05:07.03 | eidolarr | Shirik: what instruction is that? and 'descriptor' = 'segment selector'? |
| 05:07.12 | Amarande | the Stone Dagger is much worse though because you pick it up almost 50% of the adventure before you encounter the situation where you die |
| 05:07.18 | Amarande | and most people are like LOOT FOR THE LOOT GOD soo ... |
| 05:07.38 | ZorbaTHut | so why are you intentionally including stuff that sucks? ;) |
| 05:08.02 | eidolarr | Shirik: that sounds intuitive except the non-conforming part, idk what that means, is that ISR? |
| 05:08.29 | Amarande | Zorba: traps? :) |
| 05:08.41 | Amarande | also, like I said, I may be including items that are helpful in some situations but harmful in others |
| 05:09.00 | Amarande | (actually, then again, wasn't the Sommerswerd itself pretty much such an item? KIMMAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH ....) |
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| 05:10.46 | ZorbaTHut | I don't see why you would follow some of the worst parts of that book. You can make traps without doing it as innocuous items that turn out to randomly kill you |
| 05:14.03 | Shirik | eidolarr: That's from JMP |
| 05:16.52 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 05:17.38 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 05:17.45 | Shirik | I can see the waves begin to rise |
| 05:18.01 | Shirik | far across the ocean |
| 05:18.04 | Shirik | deep within your eyes |
| 05:18.09 | Shirik | silently watching as they fall |
| 05:18.15 | Shirik | I can see the future locked within the crystal ball |
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| 05:20.51 | airtonix | are you naked ? |
| 05:21.07 | airtonix | wait wrong channel |
| 05:21.10 | Shirik | I jjust thought of a fun job |
| 05:21.15 | Shirik | I want to set up an email server |
| 05:21.21 | Shirik | then create a ton of accounts on it to me |
| 05:21.24 | airtonix | i'll have one |
| 05:21.35 | Shirik | post to places where they say they will never redistribute your email address |
| 05:21.38 | Fisker | i want my beta now Shirik |
| 05:21.42 | Shirik | post a different email address to each one |
| 05:21.47 | Shirik | and see if any of them ever get email |
| 05:21.47 | eidolarr | JMP is probably like 10 pages |
| 05:22.17 | eidolarr | people did that with gmail's + feature but the clever spammers have certainly figured it out |
| 05:22.59 | Shirik | you can't just append like that |
| 05:23.03 | Shirik | you need a totally unique name |
| 05:23.06 | airtonix | is possible it embed a textfile in the output nodeList during a transform ? |
| 05:23.10 | Jerub | Shirik: i already do this. |
| 05:23.15 | airtonix | xslt |
| 05:23.22 | Jerub | in fact, i got bored with the project in like '07 |
| 05:23.34 | Shirik | how did it turn out? |
| 05:23.42 | eidolarr | Shirik: well you can append, it's just easy to find your real addy - http://i.imgur.com/7z3om.png |
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| 05:23.54 | Fisker | ââââââ
ââââââââââ⯠|
| 05:24.01 | Jerub | Shirik: 10/10 porn newsletters didn't send us spam after we subscribed and unsubscribed. |
| 05:24.04 | Jerub | we were shocked tbh |
| 05:24.08 | Amarande | well I think I've identified a drug that doesn't require office visits and seems to mitigate my anxiety massively, like practically down to none |
| 05:24.08 | Fisker | ââââââ
âââââââââââ¯asdsa |
| 05:24.13 | Amarande | and sadly, I can't use it at work though :( |
| 05:24.40 | Amarande | it's called alcohol. :D |
| 05:24.48 | AbsolutRayne | After months of gearing, perfecting my rotation, and just learning to generally how not to be bad |
| 05:24.56 | AbsolutRayne | I FINALLY out DPSed my Rogue Officer :D |
| 05:25.25 | Shirik | Jerub: Very surprising |
| 05:26.37 | Jerub | AbsolutRayne: thankyou for not sucking |
| 05:26.44 | AbsolutRayne | Jerub: \o/ |
| 05:26.48 | Jerub | AbsolutRayne: and grats |
| 05:27.36 | AbsolutRayne | Shes awesome, and leaving WoW this week. IM going to miss her :( |
| 05:27.45 | Shirik | I think UPS is on crack |
| 05:27.51 | Shirik | I have two separate packages |
| 05:27.59 | Shirik | ordered almost the same instant, shipped from the same place at the same time |
| 05:28.04 | Shirik | they went to two different states |
| 05:28.09 | Amarande | wonders if drinking decreases one's DPS. |
| 05:28.10 | Shirik | they are now in the same place again |
| 05:28.11 | Shirik | but |
| 05:28.19 | Shirik | even stranger, they were both scanned at that same place at the same time |
| 05:28.27 | Shirik | the exact same minute |
| 05:32.48 | eidolarr | the pseudocode for iret is 5 pages |
| 05:37.24 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Cataclysm Closed Beta Test Begins http://cot.ag/9v2zkv || Cata beta download category & forum now open http://cot.ag/ci9MHP |
| 05:38.12 | Fisker | i'm every much dying right now Cairenn |
| 05:38.15 | Fisker | very* |
| 05:40.48 | Fisker | and you're just having fun rihgt? |
| 05:40.52 | Fisker | right* |
| 05:45.52 | Jerub | Amarande: That would be an interesting experiment. |
| 05:48.15 | Fisker | lol |
| 05:48.27 | Fisker | why did everyone wait now to post about the troll and dwarf warlock changes |
| 05:48.28 | Fisker | hurrdurr |
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| 05:57.19 | cog|movie | kd3: a couple slow afternoons at work and one up-till-3 night :) |
| 05:57.38 | AbsolutRayne | Mmmmmm Dalaran lag since the patch |
| 05:57.39 | Arrowmaster | oh crap i think i broke the game |
| 05:57.55 | kd3 | I really shouldn't be up right now |
| 05:57.59 | kd3 | I have to get up in 4 hours |
| 05:58.00 | Arrowmaster | not sure but i think i killed this final boss while he was in the middle of some teleporting attack |
| 05:58.16 | Arrowmaster | so now im just chilling here alone with nothing to do and nowhere to go |
| 05:58.23 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: classy |
| 05:58.26 | Jerub | wihch boss? |
| 05:58.50 | Arrowmaster | final boss in this new console game |
| 05:59.38 | Arrowmaster | oh wait no, apparently i was supposed to walk into this teleporter that doesnt look at all like a teleporter |
| 06:00.29 | Amarande | which game? |
| 06:02.59 | Arrowmaster | N3II |
| 06:03.35 | airtonix | N3II, the game where teleports look like fisker. |
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| 06:05.34 | Arrowmaster | god damnit how many fucking times do i have to kill this guy |
| 06:05.55 | kd3 | oh by the way... this is why they haven't yet moved the belf territories on to the azeroth map in cataclysm yet: http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Stratholme_and_Deatholme.gif |
| 06:06.27 | Amarande | Oops. |
| 06:06.33 | Amarande | are they going to by release? |
| 06:06.41 | Amarande | (and will they do anything about the lack of an east coast on ghostlands?) |
| 06:06.47 | kd3 | dunno |
| 06:06.48 | kd3 | hopefully |
| 06:07.14 | Amarande | I'm still wondering if someone at Blizzard is a big Anne Bishop fan |
| 06:07.18 | Amarande | specifically, whoever named Zul'Aman |
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| 06:07.48 | Amarande | because that name is *extremely* similar to the name of the nation Saetan SaDiablo wiped from existence |
| 06:08.08 | Amarande | so much so that it seems hard to think it would be a coincidence |
| 06:08.21 | Amarande | yet there hasn't even been a wowhead comment about that |
| 06:09.37 | Arrowmaster | you know im starting to get confused as to what the hell it is im fighting since previous forms of the boss are showing up in later stages |
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| 06:13.02 | Arrowmaster | fuck this god damn fight |
| 06:13.15 | Arrowmaster | when the hell am i supposed to get a damn chance to attack |
| 06:13.37 | Arrowmaster | dodge dodge dodge knockeddown |
| 06:14.45 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: now you know why I hate so many action games |
| 06:14.56 | Amarande | you're forced to fight in a ridiculously no-fun defensive manner :| |
| 06:15.04 | Amarande | one reason why I never finished .hack//G.U. |
| 06:15.17 | Amarande | I got totally tired of the avatar battles being 90% dodge dodge dodge and maybe 10% chances to attack |
| 06:15.28 | Amarande | combined with the fact that you can't heal |
| 06:15.33 | Amarande | action games where you can't heal ftl |
| 06:20.44 | Arrowmaster | i think i won |
| 06:20.54 | Arrowmaster | with just a fucking tiny sliver of health left |
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| 06:23.14 | Arrowmaster | ok credits |
| 06:23.21 | Arrowmaster | where the hell is my achievement |
| 06:24.42 | Fisker | ok Arrowmaster |
| 06:24.45 | Fisker | where's my damn beta key? |
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| 06:25.01 | Fisker | i got like a billion sc2 keys |
| 06:25.05 | Fisker | wanna trade for cataclysm? |
| 06:25.48 | Fisker | :( |
| 06:26.54 | krka | awesome http://qdb.us/297468 |
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| 06:28.36 | eidolarr | what is Ace-BSD ? |
| 06:29.29 | cogwheel | an implementation of unix for Ace addons. |
| 06:29.54 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/latest/?123 new achievements/talents again |
| 06:30.36 | eidolarr | cogwheel: you got me, i'm lollin |
| 06:30.51 | Adys | cogwheel: proud of ya btw! *hug* |
| 06:31.51 | cogwheel | Fisker: PWMD |
| 06:32.06 | cogwheel | it's like pwnd but with WMDs |
| 06:32.14 | cogwheel | or something >.> |
| 06:32.34 | Trela | Fisker: I am suddenly deja vu/confused. Are you Envi/Fisker on AJ? |
| 06:34.15 | Torhal | eidolarr: It's a license which is based on the BSD license, tailored for Ace3 |
| 06:34.31 | eidolarr | what are the interesting changes? |
| 06:34.36 | Elkano | beta started and no free access for us coders, yet? sucks ;( |
| 06:34.38 | Torhal | eidolarr: I didn't diff 'em |
| 06:35.07 | Torhal | Elkano: Fisker is convinced that he's an AddOn author. He's demanding beta keys. |
| 06:36.08 | Elkano | Fisker, click >here< for a free key |
| 06:38.53 | airtonix | :( |
| 06:39.30 | airtonix | fisker, get your key yet ? looks like Elkanos link just got me the last one |
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| 06:43.44 | ZorbaTHut | 14 vyragosas. |
| 06:43.45 | ZorbaTHut | :( |
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| 06:44.19 | cogwheel | Fisker: your mom's ugly like this code: http://codepad.org/emYoGtik |
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| 06:46.09 | AbsolutRayne | MMO Champ is having a field day now that the NDA is lifted... |
| 06:47.09 | Adys | really? |
| 06:47.19 | Adys | you mean its lifted? :o |
| 06:47.51 | ZorbaTHut | item level 359 oh my |
| 06:48.07 | ZorbaTHut | that is a lot of item levels |
| 06:48.23 | Jerub | what's level 85 dps like? |
| 06:48.29 | ZorbaTHut | +512 stamina keke lol |
| 06:48.40 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: link! |
| 06:48.46 | ZorbaTHut | 623dps for a polearm |
| 06:48.50 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ |
| 06:48.55 | ZorbaTHut | I'm browsing through the Blacksmithing profession list |
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| 06:56.08 | ZorbaTHut | huh, interesting changes to the prot warrior tree |
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| 07:02.13 | Jerub | so pleaesd they're killing the on next swing mechanic |
| 07:02.13 | ZorbaTHut | my god yes |
| 07:02.13 | ZorbaTHut | and fixing rage, possibly |
| 07:02.14 | Jerub | looks like all the utility stuff is rage generating instead of consuming |
| 07:02.14 | Jerub | which is sane |
| 07:02.45 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I know I have a much easier time on my DK remembering the buff, because it actually gives me runic power |
| 07:02.45 | Jerub | that's what pisses me off with my bear's charge. |
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| 07:02.46 | Jerub | it's rage-consuming |
| 07:02.46 | ZorbaTHut | out of runes? out of runic power? mash the horn yay |
| 07:03.47 | Jerub | my warrior has two charges, one is the combat starter and the other is on a seperate CD and i can use in-combat |
| 07:03.55 | Jerub | but the bear's charge is only useful in-combat |
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| 07:05.02 | ZorbaTHut | "Increases Stamina of all party and raid members within 30 yards by 1080 and gaining 10 rage. Lasts 2 min." that has to be a typo right |
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| 07:06.12 | Jerub | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/469/#tab=trainedspell_spell |
| 07:06.44 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: s/stamina/health/ |
| 07:06.45 | ZorbaTHut | that is a ridiculous amount of stamina |
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| 07:06.52 | Jerub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Commanding_Shout |
| 07:06.59 | Jerub | 1080 health according to that at rank 1 |
| 07:07.12 | ZorbaTHut | ah, so, yeah, typo one way or another |
| 07:07.46 | ZorbaTHut | I must say though I think it's kind of ridiculous that they haven't polished off abilities by now. they're going to have zero actual playtesting time |
| 07:08.36 | theorb | ZorbaTHut: They want it to be shiny and new when it comes out, even to people who play the PTR. |
| 07:08.46 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.54 | theorb | In any case, I expect these changes are based partly on private alpha playtesting. |
| 07:09.15 | theorb | ...and might largely be leaked to create ongoing interest, not as they happen. |
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| 07:09.47 | ZorbaTHut | what's Stampeding Roar? |
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| 07:17.38 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 07:17.42 | Fisker | for that remake you owe me one beta key |
| 07:17.51 | cogwheel | remake? |
| 07:18.20 | Fisker | remark |
| 07:18.29 | Fisker | trying to eat here |
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| 07:35.05 | cogwheel | wishes humans didn't need sleep *sigh* |
| 07:36.23 | Wobin | I need to stop refreshing this UPS progress page |
| 07:36.42 | Wobin | there's no information that will actually help =P |
| 07:36.58 | Wobin | as the package is in the black box that is "NotAustralia" |
| 07:37.50 | Fisker | roger ebert has been defeated |
| 07:37.51 | Fisker | pwnt |
| 07:38.09 | Fisker | i'm waiting for my new motherboard too |
| 07:38.13 | Fisker | and a cataclysm beta invite :( |
| 07:38.20 | Fisker | i'm afraid i'll be waiting longer for the invite |
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| 07:39.45 | Fisker | i found out the mvp formula now btw |
| 07:39.51 | Fisker | suck up and hope for the best ;3 |
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| 07:51.38 | Xinhuan | http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/29202/Blizzard_Combines_StarCraft_II_And_WoW_Pricing_In_Korea_Ponders_Free_WoW.php |
| 07:53.54 | Xinhuan | seems to be a result of this one |
| 07:53.55 | Xinhuan | http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/06/30/blizzard-discuss-making-world-of-warcraft-free/ |
| 07:56.36 | jnwhiteh | Will it be useful to people if I make http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser to compare Live and Beta? |
| 07:57.05 | Xinhuan | not particularly, jnwhiteh |
| 07:57.23 | Xinhuan | mainly because the beta client is "backwards" |
| 07:57.30 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 07:57.37 | jnwhiteh | I can do API diffs |
| 07:57.38 | jnwhiteh | and post those |
| 07:57.43 | jnwhiteh | that's trivial =) |
| 07:57.53 | Xinhuan | but it does have 2 new things: the new talent UI and the spellbook |
| 07:58.09 | Sixen | There are no addons allowed in beta atm |
| 07:58.15 | Xinhuan | that too |
| 07:58.15 | Sixen | Unless they re-enabled 'em. |
| 07:58.20 | Xinhuan | not enabled |
| 07:58.21 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 07:58.23 | Sixen | Mhmm |
| 07:58.27 | Sixen | They did it in alpha |
| 07:58.29 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't really matter |
| 07:58.37 | jnwhiteh | addons were enabled in alpha |
| 07:58.44 | jnwhiteh | then they later got disabled |
| 07:58.46 | Xinhuan | addons were only enabled for patch 1, patch 2-6 disabled them |
| 07:58.49 | jnwhiteh | and they'll be re-enabled for Beta |
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| 08:13.34 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: :p |
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| 08:54.44 | Fisker | hey Cairenn |
| 08:54.52 | Cairenn | Fisker: yo? |
| 08:54.58 | Fisker | i'm dying btw |
| 08:55.12 | Cairenn | ~sympathy |
| 08:55.14 | purl | ask me about dict sympathy, as that's as close as a sid user gets to getting sympathy from me when things break. |
| 08:55.14 | Fisker | lack of beta and an overabundance of sunrays |
| 08:57.08 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.46 | Fisker | :o |
| 08:58.05 | Fisker | my monitor has taken quite a beating lately |
| 08:58.25 | Fisker | i spilt coke over it (the cola kind) a week ago |
| 08:58.33 | Fisker | and now i threw my authenticator into it |
| 08:58.56 | Fisker | My old monitor couldn't even take one cola spill |
| 08:59.41 | Cairenn | You threw your authenticator INTO your monitor? |
| 09:00.00 | Cairenn | I hope you mean AT, not INTO |
| 09:00.21 | Fisker | at of course :P |
| 09:00.44 | Fisker | but the quite visible mark it gave off when it hit the monitor would've suggested otherwise |
| 09:00.45 | Cairenn | Well, say what you mean! :p |
| 09:00.57 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 09:30.26 | airtonix | so fisker has been hacked ? |
| 09:30.45 | airtonix | or just not consuming the usual hard drugs ? |
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| 09:35.08 | Fisker | no airtonix |
| 09:35.11 | Fisker | i'm waiting for the beta |
| 09:40.01 | olafski | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/iphone_holding_issue_workaround.jpg :-( |
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| 09:43.15 | Fisker | yes |
| 09:43.16 | Fisker | yeeeeeeeeeeeees |
| 09:43.20 | Fisker | apple is getting sued |
| 09:43.26 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 09:43.46 | Fisker | i thought all who bought apple products didn't care that their products sucked |
| 09:53.00 | CodeRedLin | You troll trade channel don't you :) |
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| 09:59.58 | Maldivia | uhh, so beta started last night and the NDA lifted... why do I always miss announcements like that when I sleep :P |
| 10:08.31 | Fisker | because you owe me beta |
| 10:09.09 | Maldivia | I'll see what I can do |
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| 10:57.51 | ZorbaTHut | what's the function to get the player's name? :P |
| 11:05.49 | Jerub | is there something wrong witht he auth servers? |
| 11:05.56 | Jerub | or has my account+authenticator been hacked? |
| 11:07.36 | mikma | yes |
| 11:08.45 | Jerub | mikma: which is it? |
| 11:09.03 | mikma | the other |
| 11:09.24 | A-KO | lol |
| 11:10.26 | Jerub | ... a little annoyed here, and we're outside of billing's hours, sowhich is it? do you know about an auth problem? |
| 11:11.33 | Jerub | i can't log into my account. |
| 11:16.25 | Jerub | :/ |
| 11:16.29 | Jerub | a little freaked out ::( |
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| 11:17.41 | mikma | waaaaaaaa |
| 11:17.47 | Fisker | try battle.net Jerub |
| 11:17.55 | Fisker | i have heard about some issues with game login |
| 11:17.55 | Jerub | i did. can't log in there either. |
| 11:18.02 | Fisker | i think you're compromised then |
| 11:18.06 | Fisker | check your armory? |
| 11:18.21 | Fisker | that or your authenticator is out of sync |
| 11:18.31 | Jerub | *tries armory* |
| 11:18.49 | Fisker | i mean check your character on armory :P |
| 11:20.06 | Jerub | my main toon is still there wearing its epicx |
| 11:20.11 | Jerub | on armory. |
| 11:20.23 | Fisker | sauce |
| 11:21.06 | Jerub | i've tried resyncing the authenticator, i'm trying rebooting the phone even though i know that won't help |
| 11:21.33 | Fisker | give character name and realm pl0x |
| 11:22.01 | Jerub | oh go |
| 11:22.02 | Jerub | god |
| 11:22.07 | Jerub | rebooting phone and now it worked |
| 11:22.13 | Fisker | nice :P |
| 11:22.38 | Jerub | was more than a little worried there |
| 11:22.43 | Jerub | had a guildmate hacked 2 days ago |
| 11:27.03 | Spejnar | Ehm, I think I broke something. I get error in Blizzard_CombatLog while not having any addons running.. |
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| 11:30.32 | mikma | why is this achievement called "There's Gold In That There Fountain" ? :O |
| 11:32.45 | Fisker | references and shit |
| 11:34.58 | Jerub | WIN$!@ |
| 11:35.03 | Jerub | finally got the staff from ahune |
| 11:35.13 | Jerub | finally got rid of my last blue |
| 11:35.21 | Fisker | baw Jerub |
| 11:35.24 | Fisker | the staff sucks |
| 11:35.33 | Fisker | it's massively underbudgetted |
| 11:35.49 | Fisker | though better than a blue i guess |
| 11:36.19 | Jerub | Fisker: it's a 232 and shows up okay |
| 11:36.28 | Jerub | it's better than my 232 sword and blue 200 OH |
| 11:36.53 | Fisker | yeah but the staff you can get |
| 11:36.57 | Fisker | from pit of saron i believe |
| 11:36.59 | Fisker | is much better |
| 11:37.54 | Jerub | i'd prefer to run toc now that i have a non-scrub gs :P |
| 11:41.23 | ZorbaTHut | wow I already love this addon I made. no more repeated spam for me :D |
| 11:44.28 | Ycarene | Anyone know anything about paladin tanking? |
| 11:44.41 | Spejnar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.49 | Ycarene | Well, beyond that... |
| 11:44.50 | foxlit | I know that you don't have to heal paladins. |
| 11:45.03 | foxlit | You wait for AD to proc, and *then* you heal them. |
| 11:45.20 | Spejnar | might be better if you actually asked a question about em |
| 11:46.04 | Ycarene | Is http://www.wowhead.com/item=40707 worth the price for a fresh 80? |
| 11:46.49 | Spejnar | How am I suppose to debug if the error tells me its in Blizzard_CombatLog and it doesnt even work if I remove it and load with no addons.. |
| 11:47.29 | foxlit | Ycarene: surely if you're a fresh 80, you'll have access to valor/conquest/triumph librams too. I wonder how those compare |
| 11:49.22 | Spejnar | I would get this one instead http://www.wowhead.com/item=45145#sold-by |
| 11:50.46 | Ycarene | ahh, ok. |
| 11:51.12 | Ycarene | That should be easy to get. |
| 11:51.33 | Spejnar | yup |
| 11:51.40 | Spejnar | only 4 more badges, thats one instance |
| 11:52.11 | Ycarene | I've got 16 now |
| 11:52.25 | Ycarene | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Destromath&cn=Pella |
| 11:52.59 | Spejnar | do Ahune and get the cloak |
| 11:53.08 | Ycarene | I know the trinkets suck, but I'm working on that. |
| 11:56.08 | ZorbaTHut | for most characters with non-ranged items, the ilvl245 ranged slot items are excellent and highly recommended |
| 11:56.39 | Ycarene | I've been trying for the black heart. |
| 11:56.54 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowhead.com/item=47664#comments would be the appropriate item, most likely |
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| 11:58.12 | Spejnar | well, I wouldnt wanna use that tbh |
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| 11:59.54 | ZorbaTHut | it's worth about 5% avoidance. that's not bad at all. |
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| 12:07.53 | xanax` | hello |
| 12:08.48 | Cairenn | hi |
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| 12:54.19 | Spejnar | I used repair but I still cant fix the lua error coming from blizzard_combatlog according to the error |
| 12:54.22 | Spejnar | any ideas? |
| 12:54.32 | Spejnar | that pref. doesnt involve reinstalling |
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| 12:56.27 | Spejnar | the error started for some strange reason when I was trying to complete my assignment involving making a "gearbuddy" which is kinda like bagbuddy, the stranges things I did was the register the frame as a UI frame(error didnt start with this) and later tried to add textures to a check box with SetPortraitToTexture |
| 12:57.08 | Spejnar | so it started to spam error and one of them seems to be an infinite loop in blizzard_combatlog |
| 13:00.25 | Cairenn | pastey your code and the error you are receiving here: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ then post the link - when someone is around, they're likely to be willing to give you a hand :) |
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| 13:02.37 | Spejnar | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/138187 |
| 13:02.45 | Spejnar | thats the first 2 out of 13 errors coming from combatlog |
| 13:02.54 | xanax` | is it possible to get the target's position ? |
| 13:02.55 | Spejnar | no matter if I run no addons, or all addons |
| 13:07.24 | amro | Spejnar: have you tried deleteing the Blizzard_ addons? |
| 13:07.27 | amro | -e |
| 13:08.00 | Spejnar | I tried removing just combatlog, that didnt work. I will try removing them all, one sec |
| 13:09.24 | amro | I'm guessing it has something to do with the new chat stuff |
| 13:09.40 | Spejnar | didnt work |
| 13:09.43 | Spejnar | well it started randomly when I was coding my addon |
| 13:09.47 | Spejnar | no idea if I did something |
| 13:10.36 | Xinhuan | disable your addon |
| 13:10.37 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 13:10.45 | Xinhuan | if the error goes away, then you did it |
| 13:11.00 | mikma | lawl |
| 13:11.36 | Spejnar | good thing I didnt mention the error persisting even with no addons then |
| 13:12.00 | mikma | well theres your problem |
| 13:12.20 | mikma | you are adding something weird in chatframe2 with addmessage |
| 13:13.20 | Spejnar | nope, I am not. Unless the character itself is doing it with no addons running |
| 13:13.54 | Xinhuan | i suggest you rename your WTF folder (exit wow first), then try again |
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| 13:14.09 | Xinhuan | you may still have some savedvariables and settings that wow loads that corrupts stuff |
| 13:14.13 | Spejnar | it only applies to my addon-character, so Ill just delete and create a new one |
| 13:15.35 | amro | in that case, it's definitely your WTF folder |
| 13:16.05 | Spejnar | yep |
| 13:16.12 | Spejnar | strange, wonder what I did |
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| 13:23.18 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/731426-Twas-the-night-of-Beta |
| 13:23.35 | Xinhuan | is that garfield thread still going |
| 13:23.46 | Xinhuan | it was pretty funny |
| 13:24.03 | Spejnar | Here's the code that causes massive errors from combatlog http://wowuidev.pastey.net/138188 |
| 13:26.20 | mikma | 95 print("Skall visa: " .. item.link) |
| 13:26.28 | mikma | there's your problem! |
| 13:27.20 | Kraps | http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#b http://www.wowtal.com/#k=.9gq.priest why are these 2 vastly different? |
| 13:28.39 | Spejnar | mikma: I fail to see the error, I think the link actually exist, no? |
| 13:28.54 | mikma | spejnar: i bet it's nil |
| 13:29.30 | Xinhuan | kraps, vasly different? |
| 13:29.39 | Spejnar | mikma: perhaps, strange thing is it printed once in the window and later randomly started crashing things.. |
| 13:30.28 | Kraps | Xinhuan: look at the lower tiers of disc and shadow |
| 13:30.30 | mikma | spejnar: if the inspect fails(?) and doesn't return items, it might bug out |
| 13:30.47 | Xinhuan | can u be more specific |
| 13:30.53 | mikma | spejnar: ofc, i am not sure and am just guessing, but it has something to do with print/addmessage |
| 13:30.53 | Xinhuan | i'm not going to compare tooltips word for word |
| 13:31.09 | Kraps | you dont need to |
| 13:31.16 | Spejnar | mikma: hmm, thing is it starts spamming errors the second you login, which means it has to be something in the OnLoad somewhere |
| 13:31.21 | Kraps | just look at the icons/names |
| 13:31.23 | Xinhuan | i dont' see anything different? |
| 13:31.38 | amro | neither do I |
| 13:31.51 | mikma | spejnar: itmes in bag? |
| 13:31.53 | amro | try bypassing cache, Kraps? |
| 13:31.54 | Xinhuan | looks the same to me |
| 13:32.25 | Spejnar | mikma: only the hs, ill try to get some more |
| 13:32.29 | Xinhuan | Ctrl-F5 is your friend |
| 13:33.01 | Kraps | ah thanks :) |
| 13:34.19 | mikma | spejnar: well all you can so is track it down, add prints that tell yolu the items and so on |
| 13:34.26 | mikma | spejnar: also some nil checks etc |
| 13:37.12 | Kraps | are they doing anything with lightwell? :/ |
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| 13:41.33 | Wobin | well, I'm pretty happy =) Did about 40% of the healing in RS |
| 13:41.51 | mikma | lol, code mrplow |
| 13:42.26 | Wobin | my problem, is that MrPlow currently does everything I need |
| 13:42.36 | Wobin | so I have no urge to actually write more on it |
| 13:43.06 | mikma | but it threw me an error =( |
| 13:43.14 | mikma | ofc i dont have it with me! |
| 13:43.28 | Wobin | sure... but did it sort your bags? |
| 13:43.38 | mikma | most likely |
| 13:43.45 | Wobin | what's the issue then? =) |
| 13:44.02 | mikma | needs mohr user interface |
| 13:44.08 | mikma | and love |
| 13:44.13 | mikma | oh, and hugs |
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| 13:46.45 | Kraps | deathwing eated the park http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/cataclysm/cataclysm_worldmaps/cataclysm/12319/StormwindCity.jpg |
| 13:47.45 | mikma | elwynn is also nice |
| 13:47.48 | mikma | check it out |
| 13:48.45 | mikma | i also love the claw marks at the two towers in entrance |
| 13:49.20 | Kraps | the new look of the maps is nice too |
| 13:50.27 | Kraps | mikma: where? |
| 13:51.04 | mikma | the two towers after the bridge with statues |
| 13:51.13 | mikma | theres huge clawmarks in tem |
| 13:51.24 | mikma | tem: lolo |
| 13:51.57 | Kraps | mikma: oh shi- |
| 13:52.42 | Kraps | FP at Eastvale Camp \o/ |
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| 13:55.34 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... Eastvale was a PITA to run back and forth to. |
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| 13:57.39 | Kraps | whoa http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/cataclysm/cataclysm_worldmaps/wotlk/12266/stonetalonmountains.jpg vs http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/cataclysm/cataclysm_worldmaps/cataclysm/12266/stonetalonmountains.jpg |
| 13:58.15 | Wobin | hehe Cairenn: http://fashionablygeek.com/t-shirts/i-like-big-bots-and-i-can-not-lie/ |
| 13:58.27 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 13:58.50 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 13:59.42 | Cairenn | I'd love to be independently wealthy, I could so go broke just on buying funny tshirts |
| 14:00.33 | Cairenn | and sexy shoes |
| 14:00.47 | mikma | t-shirts and shoes |
| 14:00.50 | mikma | nice fetish |
| 14:00.53 | Cairenn | yep |
| 14:00.57 | Cairenn | lol |
| 14:01.01 | mikma | others like latex and stuff |
| 14:01.08 | mikma | you, t-shirts |
| 14:01.50 | Cairenn | oh come on, tell me that a chick in nothing but a geek tshirt and heels wouldn't turn you on :p |
| 14:02.30 | Wobin | well, Cairenn's fetishes are easier to tumble dry |
| 14:02.32 | Kalroth | ! |
| 14:02.43 | mikma | geek tshirts, meh, not my thing |
| 14:02.44 | Kraps | -heels is good Cairenn |
| 14:02.47 | Kalroth | nods at Cairenn. |
| 14:02.52 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 14:02.58 | Cairenn | love how all the ears perk up |
| 14:03.07 | Cairenn | <3 you guys |
| 14:03.27 | mikma | high heels and chicks on the other hand |
| 14:03.40 | mikma | or long boots with hiiiiiigh heels |
| 14:04.00 | Fisker | oh snap |
| 14:04.05 | Fisker | my authenticator code was 363636 |
| 14:04.16 | Cairenn | well, I was counting those in on the 'shoes' section, mikma |
| 14:04.24 | Cairenn | loves her slut boots |
| 14:04.46 | theorbtwo | ...and now my *other* ear has perked up. |
| 14:05.03 | mikma | down boy! *whips* |
| 14:05.24 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71Dtj2W7pw&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:05.28 | Wobin | (in other news) |
| 14:05.38 | Cairenn | mikma: whips are good, too ;) |
| 14:05.41 | Kraps | lolo so much innuendo my brain asplode |
| 14:06.02 | Kalroth | poor kraps |
| 14:06.38 | Fisker | nah Cairenn |
| 14:06.42 | Fisker | they don't work at all Cairenn |
| 14:07.01 | Fisker | otherwise you would've gotten the whole channel some beta access :P |
| 14:07.08 | Kraps | Wobin: the highest rated commenter has it right |
| 14:07.11 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.36 | Cairenn | Wobin: rofl |
| 14:07.52 | Cairenn | that's one quick kitteh! |
| 14:08.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 14:08.54 | Fisker | you know i can't survive without beta mikma |
| 14:09.31 | Fisker | atleast the waves are instant this time around |
| 14:09.34 | mikma | fisker: i am counting on it |
| 14:09.48 | Fisker | so no 6am->6am beta waiting marathons |
| 14:10.25 | mikma | i am waiting for cairenn to get me one, again, for the third time |
| 14:10.33 | Fisker | btw |
| 14:10.34 | Cairenn | Working on it :) |
| 14:10.35 | Fisker | i had an odd dream |
| 14:11.22 | Fisker | i think i'll make an addon that shows a montage of kittens ingame |
| 14:11.40 | mikma | hello kittens |
| 14:11.44 | Fisker | does that count? |
| 14:11.57 | mikma | yes, you cant use kitty |
| 14:12.01 | mikma | use kittens |
| 14:12.08 | cog|sleep | Shirik: why we need heather files? |
| 14:12.47 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 14:12.47 | Fisker | i dream jnwhiteh was dead :( |
| 14:12.47 | cogwheel | hai |
| 14:12.47 | cogwheel | onoes! |
| 14:12.47 | mikma | random images of kittens popping up everywhere and disappearing |
| 14:12.47 | cogwheel | did you wake up? |
| 14:12.47 | Fisker | yeah |
| 14:12.47 | Kraps | wtf i was looking at the alpha pic of darkshore while listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsskNx5qNjY and suddenly felt sad; i dont even like the place... |
| 14:12.48 | Fisker | that's why i'm writing right now |
| 14:13.02 | cogwheel | o gud |
| 14:13.24 | cogwheel | wanders around looking for caffeine |
| 14:13.36 | Fisker | did you dream about me getting beta access cogwheel ? |
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| 14:16.06 | cogwheel | i dreamed i was getting a good night's sleep. Too bad it wasn't true. |
| 14:16.39 | Fisker | well what do you expect when the last minutes of being awake is me begging for beta access? |
| 14:17.20 | Kraps | not so hey Fisker |
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| 14:17.41 | cogwheel | malreth! |
| 14:17.49 | malreth | aye? |
| 14:17.54 | cogwheel | hye |
| 14:17.55 | Fisker | not so hey Kraps |
| 14:18.05 | malreth | hai there! |
| 14:18.25 | Kraps | its an exciting morning Fisker |
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| 14:18.56 | malreth | someone decided it would be a good idea to issue a new cert for the 802.1x authentication mechanism for the entire campus... 4 days before the expiration date... without telling anybody |
| 14:19.23 | Shirik | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 14:19.28 | Shirik | How not to write a guild application: |
| 14:19.39 | Shirik | Include statements like these in your application as if you had written it: |
| 14:19.40 | Fisker | How to write a beta application: |
| 14:19.41 | Shirik | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22That+is,+given+your+GCD+can't+be+lowered+beyond+1sec,+if+you+reach+the+point+where+Regrowth+casts+in+1,5sec+without+Nature's+Grace.%22 |
| 14:19.43 | Fisker | Shirik beta pl0x |
| 14:19.58 | Shirik | this guy literally copied mmo-c for his app |
| 14:20.34 | mikma | shirik: i would add "no begging of beta keys" in channel rules |
| 14:20.56 | Kraps | but there are no keys... |
| 14:20.57 | Fisker | i will beta pl0x every single guy |
| 14:21.08 | mikma | do it, or i will paste NSFS link |
| 14:21.32 | Fisker | and girl too |
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| 14:21.40 | Blia | hi |
| 14:21.47 | cogwheel | no u! |
| 14:21.51 | Fisker | yes me |
| 14:21.52 | Blia | lol |
| 14:22.00 | Fisker | i won't be stopped cogwheel |
| 14:22.29 | Blia | is it possible to create a radiobutton that could change a Texture ? |
| 14:22.52 | Fisker | omg i'm invited |
| 14:22.55 | Fisker | i'm invited cogwheel |
| 14:22.58 | Fisker | omg i'm invited Shirik |
| 14:23.08 | Fisker | i'm invited to download the Age of Conan expansion |
| 14:23.09 | Fisker | ;_; |
| 14:23.16 | Kraps | Blia: you need to give Fisker a beta key before your question is answered |
| 14:23.19 | *** part/#wowuidev Fisker (n_a@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 14:23.26 | Blia | a beta key of what ? |
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| 14:23.33 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 14:23.38 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 14:23.42 | Fisker | you just made yourself a powerful enemy |
| 14:23.42 | Kraps | i kid |
| 14:23.55 | Shirik | I am a powerful enemy now? |
| 14:23.56 | Shirik | sweet |
| 14:24.03 | Kraps | lul Shirik |
| 14:24.08 | Seerah | I know his weakness |
| 14:24.08 | Fisker | i will destroy you |
| 14:24.16 | Fisker | it's beta Seerah |
| 14:24.17 | Shirik | it is difficult to destroy a poweful enemy |
| 14:24.20 | Fisker | my weakness is beta |
| 14:24.39 | Seerah | oh - YOU'RE the powerful enemy? I was talking about Shirik :p |
| 14:24.42 | Wobin | oh god |
| 14:24.46 | Wobin | troll druid kitties |
| 14:24.49 | Seerah | shrugs. meh |
| 14:24.49 | Wobin | look ridiculous =P |
| 14:24.54 | Shirik | no |
| 14:24.54 | Shirik | I am |
| 14:25.08 | Kraps | i likes this logo http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=2000&forumId=7555625 |
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| 14:25.27 | Fister | hai lol! |
| 14:25.33 | Fisker | hey mikma |
| 14:25.39 | mikma | hi |
| 14:25.57 | Seerah | Kraps: ooh the world and it's border are cracked :) |
| 14:26.05 | Seerah | hadn't noticed that before |
| 14:26.12 | Kraps | yus |
| 14:28.11 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 14:28.19 | Blia | hmm.. i would really like to discover the new water graphics of Cataclysm .. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702206944&sid=2000 |
| 14:28.30 | Fisker | do you know that i just owned you? |
| 14:28.41 | Kraps | Fisker: i've never been invited to anything so its my turn |
| 14:28.48 | Shirik | Fisker: You have never owned me |
| 14:28.51 | Shirik | I am a powerful enemy |
| 14:28.53 | Shirik | by your own admission |
| 14:28.56 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 14:29.02 | Fisker | a couple of months back |
| 14:29.08 | Fisker | when that channel remove shit was introduced |
| 14:29.11 | Fisker | i asked you to use it on me |
| 14:29.13 | Fisker | but you never did |
| 14:29.15 | Fisker | NOW YOU DID |
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| 14:29.15 | Fisker | OWNED |
| 14:29.24 | Kraps | Blia: browse the pics here http://www.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 14:29.48 | cogwheel | the water's nice, but it needs more action on the shoreline |
| 14:30.14 | Blia | thank you |
| 14:30.45 | Fisker | i think it's nice too cog|away |
| 14:30.45 | cog|away | no do not want work! |
| 14:31.01 | cog|away | leaves for work |
| 14:31.17 | airtonix | nice! me1 running hitch free |
| 14:31.44 | Kraps | this Eldacar guy is pretty OP http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702206944&sid=2000 |
| 14:31.48 | Fisker | steals cog|away's account details |
| 14:33.39 | Blia | is there a way to change the color of a button when I click on it ? |
| 14:33.49 | airtonix | yes |
| 14:34.00 | Blia | wow buttons are red but I would like them to turn blue when clicked |
| 14:34.10 | airtonix | read wowprogramming and revel in the unfiltered wealth of knowledge |
| 14:34.24 | airtonix | (and pass all donations to my swiss bank account) |
| 14:34.34 | Blia | ;-) |
| 14:34.39 | airtonix | but no seriously |
| 14:34.52 | airtonix | all the really basic questions |
| 14:35.07 | airtonix | wowprogramming.com |
| 14:35.12 | Blia | ok |
| 14:35.24 | Blia | this channel is for advanced wow addon developers ? |
| 14:35.29 | Blia | no noob allowed ? |
| 14:35.35 | airtonix | not at all |
| 14:35.51 | airtonix | just best get people angry for a good brain puzzle |
| 14:36.00 | airtonix | rather than asking where the toilet is |
| 14:36.27 | airtonix | unless you're bothering cide... then it wont matter. |
| 14:36.27 | Kraps | its also for non-developers i heard |
| 14:36.39 | Blia | no problem. i am going to search again. I remember noticing this code somewhere but i forgot where |
| 14:36.53 | airtonix | you'll also benefit from Programming In Lua |
| 14:37.03 | Kraps | btw airtonix, whars teh toilet? |
| 14:37.25 | airtonix | Kraps, its the thing i server your food from... very hygenic |
| 14:37.29 | Blia | well, I am obliged to program in Lua.. since wow addons are made with them. |
| 14:37.33 | Kraps | :( |
| 14:37.42 | airtonix | Blia, its the name of a website |
| 14:37.42 | sylvanaar_atwork | Kraps: eldacar is already in beta? that sob |
| 14:38.11 | airtonix | Blia, http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 14:38.17 | Kraps | sylvanaar_atwork: i dont know him |
| 14:38.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | Kraps: i do |
| 14:38.52 | airtonix | Blia, you'd also do well to make an account at wowinterface forums and lurk there for a while. |
| 14:38.53 | Blia | thank you for the link, airtonix |
| 14:38.57 | Seerah | sylv: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702206944&sid=2000 |
| 14:39.30 | Blia | for the moment I haven't registered down-there yet but I browse their website from time to time. |
| 14:39.41 | airtonix | good enough |
| 14:40.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | i want a beta invite :( |
| 14:41.33 | Kraps | Creating a guild now only requires 4 signatures on the guild charter |
| 14:41.35 | Kraps | hmm |
| 14:41.51 | Kraps | Water now reflects the sky, including the sun, moon, and stars |
| 14:41.55 | Kraps | hawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwt |
| 14:41.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | sexy |
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| 14:45.54 | Blia | will the new island of Cataclysm be as wide as Northrend ? how huge will it be, does someone know ? |
| 14:46.23 | Kraps | Blia: its not an island :) |
| 14:46.44 | Blia | there's no new zone/area ? |
| 14:46.53 | Blia | only remakes of existing ones? |
| 14:46.54 | krka | Blia: you can code in B-flat instead of Lua if you want, i have written a converter between that and Lua! |
| 14:47.02 | Kraps | there will just be more/different content in the old world |
| 14:47.10 | Blia | B-flat ? oO |
| 14:47.18 | Kraps | yes to new zones |
| 14:47.49 | ZorbaTHut | blia, they're kind of scattering new zones all over the place |
| 14:47.57 | ZorbaTHut | and replacing all of the Classic zones with updated versions |
| 14:48.26 | Blia | i can't wait to see that :-) |
| 14:48.29 | ZorbaTHut | I think there's going to be a new zone south of Tanaris, for example. |
| 14:49.10 | Seerah | Uldum finally? |
| 14:49.18 | Kraps | hey look, safeguard will be useful now |
| 14:49.21 | Kraps | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/46949/safeguard/ |
| 14:49.54 | Kraps | what rock have you guys been under since last blizzcon? :/ |
| 14:50.25 | ZorbaTHut | seerah, yep :) |
| 14:50.53 | Spejnar | the error claims to originate in blizzard_combatlog.lua but that file doesnt exist, there's only a .pub file in the blizzard_* folders |
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| 14:51.27 | Seerah | that file does exist, you just can't see it. ;) |
| 14:51.31 | Seerah | ~addon kit |
| 14:51.32 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, addon kit is Located at http://tinyurl.com/addonkit the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
| 14:51.43 | Kraps | Seerah: it was announced at blizzcon |
| 14:52.15 | Seerah | Kraps: I *faintly* remember, but that was almost a year ago. :p And I wasn't there. |
| 14:52.25 | Kraps | mmk |
| 14:52.35 | Wobin | Kraps: hum, who needs defense, eh? |
| 14:53.00 | Kraps | Wobin: eh? |
| 14:53.37 | Wobin | Safeguard |
| 14:53.53 | Kraps | yeah? |
| 14:54.05 | Kraps | oh the crit |
| 14:54.10 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.14 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, yeah, thank god |
| 14:54.18 | ZorbaTHut | defense sucked |
| 14:55.21 | Jerub | ding motherfucker |
| 14:55.22 | Jerub | 80 |
| 14:55.51 | ZorbaTHut | congrats |
| 14:56.03 | ZorbaTHut | time to start doing heroics! |
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| 14:56.12 | Jerub | well, gotta hit the def softcap apparently. |
| 14:56.19 | ZorbaTHut | ah, you're tank? |
| 14:56.20 | Kraps | Vashj'ir: -Whale Sharks are now classified as ?? Bosses rather than lvl 85 Elites |
| 14:56.25 | Kraps | bahaha |
| 14:56.30 | Spejnar | the function there the errors seem to originate is the blizzard_combatlog_refilterupdate, but I also get errors for every single settings or chat frame |
| 14:56.34 | ZorbaTHut | pick up the blue crafted gear if you don't already have better stuff |
| 14:56.45 | ZorbaTHut | that'll get you much closer, if not just there |
| 14:57.46 | Jerub | yeah, i have no idea how to dps |
| 14:57.57 | Jerub | i've got the cash to dual spec, but don't know how |
| 14:58.06 | Wobin | warrior? |
| 14:58.08 | ZorbaTHut | what class? |
| 14:58.18 | Jerub | warrior |
| 14:58.19 | Jerub | yeah |
| 14:58.25 | Wobin | yeah, I have nfi either =) |
| 14:58.27 | ZorbaTHut | fury dps is easy |
| 14:58.29 | Wobin | I tried fury |
| 14:58.33 | Jerub | so i'll just get the gear |
| 14:58.34 | Wobin | since I just got Titan's grip |
| 14:58.36 | ZorbaTHut | there's like five buttons involved and two of them you already use in prot |
| 14:58.39 | Wobin | but geez =( |
| 14:58.47 | Wobin | waiting to get rage in instances is -painful- |
| 14:58.49 | Jerub | i've got the 264 boe gun, the ahune tank cloak, and 1 t9 piece already |
| 14:58.59 | Wobin | by the time I get enough rage to whirlwind/cleave, they're all dead |
| 14:58.59 | Jerub | second t9 piece comes in 2 more emblems. |
| 14:59.01 | ZorbaTHut | it's a priority system - whirlwind, bloodthirst, slam if the talent has procced, heroic strike or cleave to burn excess rage. that's it. |
| 14:59.39 | Jerub | does the defence rating on your character screen include a component from your defence skill? |
| 14:59.52 | Wobin | I believe so |
| 14:59.56 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, yes |
| 15:00.00 | Jerub | *trains defence* |
| 15:00.24 | ZorbaTHut | don't worry about that |
| 15:00.31 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: what about rage generation? It takes so long, especially if the pulls are ... oddly timed |
| 15:00.34 | ZorbaTHut | you can actually do heroics without being defense capped |
| 15:00.45 | ZorbaTHut | if you're near, you're good enough |
| 15:00.49 | Wobin | with a good healer |
| 15:01.03 | Jerub | 474 currently. |
| 15:01.05 | cog|work | sylvanaar_atwork: he's been in since the beginning of alpha. my goblin was in his guild :) |
| 15:01.05 | Wobin | although, yes, near is good |
| 15:01.11 | Wobin | but 474 isn't near =) |
| 15:01.14 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, mash your rage-generation buttons at every opportunity, attack critters for rage, sit there glumly waiting for the opportunity to do something. |
| 15:01.17 | ZorbaTHut | better weapons help a lot. |
| 15:01.29 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: swinging the heirloom axes |
| 15:01.29 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, got the blue tanking gear (or better) in every slot yet? |
| 15:01.43 | Wobin | (I'm 60 atm) |
| 15:01.52 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, ah, rage generation that early on sucks royally |
| 15:02.04 | ZorbaTHut | it gets better in outland, and better again in northrend |
| 15:02.05 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: no, dinged 10 minutes ago, equipped the gear i'd gatahered, and looked |
| 15:02.08 | Wobin | I think I'll just prot my way up to at least 70 before trying again |
| 15:02.18 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, well, the blue stuff is ilvl78 or so I think |
| 15:02.18 | Jerub | still got heirloom sword, but have better than heirloom chest now |
| 15:02.31 | Kraps | do you wowi/curse guys get priority beta invites? |
| 15:02.32 | ZorbaTHut | if you want to burn a fuckton of money you could buy the ilvl100 purples |
| 15:02.37 | ZorbaTHut | but you really don't need to do that anymore |
| 15:02.38 | Wobin | wish there was a heirloom shield |
| 15:02.41 | ZorbaTHut | er, ilvl200 |
| 15:02.49 | Jerub | ehg |
| 15:02.50 | Jerub | meh |
| 15:02.56 | Jerub | i'll just queue for randoms tomorrow |
| 15:03.00 | Wobin | got guildies? |
| 15:03.07 | Wobin | Run ToC5 a few times |
| 15:03.25 | ZorbaTHut | tempered saronite set and you'll be mostly uncrittable. hit up regular toc5 and grab a few items, you're golden. |
| 15:03.29 | Jerub | not geared enough to use LFD for toc5 yet |
| 15:03.36 | Wobin | normal? |
| 15:03.38 | Jerub | gotta go, wife's home |
| 15:03.41 | ZorbaTHut | cya :) |
| 15:03.42 | Wobin | cya |
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| 15:07.31 | ZorbaTHut | holy shit, nvidia drivers are up to 100mb |
| 15:07.35 | Kraps | - The horse that was named <This will be a carriage> is now actually a carriage |
| 15:07.41 | Kraps | herp |
| 15:08.11 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, where are you getting these from? they're awesome |
| 15:08.18 | cog|work | Kraps: yeah, i never got to ride that carriage |
| 15:08.48 | Kraps | ZorbaTHut: patch notes on the cata forum http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25002150583&postId=249997308397&sid=2000#0 |
| 15:08.52 | cog|work | i fell off a tower accidentally, and the graveyard put me in a place where i had to swim along the ocean clear to the other side of the zone. Luckily the quest turn-in was there >< |
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| 15:11.47 | Shirik_ | It's not the tree that forsakes the flower, but the flower that forsakes the tree |
| 15:12.12 | Kraps | k Shirik |
| 15:12.23 | Guest99385 | I DID NOT FAIL TO IDENTIFY IN TIME |
| 15:12.31 | Guest99385 | gdi |
| 15:12.35 | Guest99385 | now I really screwed up |
| 15:12.42 | cog|work | slaps Guest99385 around a bit with a large zen |
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| 15:13.20 | Kraps | i would like a large zen |
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| 15:13.54 | Kraps | - Holy Nova's healing is no longer group bound. whoa dude |
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| 15:15.27 | Shirik_ | wat |
| 15:15.41 | Shirik_ | they're trying to make holy nova more than a way to blindly waste mana? |
| 15:16.03 | Kraps | crazy right? |
| 15:17.42 | Kraps | god forbid they fix lightwell, then every talent and spell will be useful |
| 15:23.08 | batrick | linksssss |
| 15:24.12 | Kraps | batrick: ? |
| 15:24.37 | batrick | link to the change? |
| 15:24.53 | batrick | oi shirik |
| 15:26.47 | Kraps | batrick: patch notes http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25002150583&postId=249997308397&sid=2000#0 |
| 15:27.59 | Fisker | so Shirik_ |
| 15:31.42 | Kraps | - Aspect of the Fox: lvl 83. The hunter takes on the aspects of a fox, increasing your focus regeneration by 20% and allows you to Auto-shot while moving. |
| 15:31.46 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626286040&sid=2000 lulz |
| 15:31.50 | Kraps | coolio |
| 15:32.11 | batrick | wow that's kinda bad |
| 15:32.32 | batrick | i remember the coolest part about playing the hunter was pausing periodically to get an autoshot off |
| 15:32.39 | batrick | back when skill mattered |
| 15:33.46 | Maldivia | run for 2.5 sec, stand still, run 2.5 sec, stand still etc :P |
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| 15:34.13 | batrick | as opposed to just running and raping ya |
| 15:34.20 | Kraps | cog|work: lolwut |
| 15:34.21 | Cairenn | ... |
| 15:34.40 | Fisker | hey |
| 15:35.08 | Fisker | i can't be stopped |
| 15:36.01 | Kraps | So these two blondes are out for a walk, when suddenly the first one says: "Look! horse tracks!" "No", says the other one, "they're bear tracks!" "No, horse tracks"! "No, bear tracks"! After 15 minutes of arguing, they both get run over by a train. |
| 15:37.01 | batrick | that's so bad |
| 15:37.13 | batrick | :) |
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| 15:37.55 | cog|work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626185860&sid=1 & http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626346110&sid=1 are the threads in question |
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| 15:39.48 | cog|work | !api note |
| 15:39.48 | lua_bot | Found 6 possible results for 'note': CanEditPublicNote, CanViewOfficerNote, GuildRosterSetPublicNote, CanEditOfficerNote, GuildRosterSetOfficerNote, SetFriendNotes |
| 15:40.01 | cog|work | !api setpublicnote |
| 15:40.02 | lua_bot | GuildRosterSetPublicNote: Sets the public note for a guild member (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GuildRosterSetPublicNote) |
| 15:40.20 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 15:40.34 | Fisker | please upload some screenshots of the new profession and skill ui |
| 15:41.30 | Kraps | i'd love to see some new UI |
| 15:41.38 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 15:41.39 | Fisker | beta me |
| 15:41.46 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/06/30/cataclysm-beta-guild-perks/ |
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| 15:41.53 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 15:42.04 | Kraps | go away Fis |
| 15:42.06 | Kraps | ker |
| 15:42.40 | Fisker | fuck me |
| 15:42.56 | Kraps | sorry i only do girls |
| 15:43.01 | Cairenn | Fisker: enough already |
| 15:44.16 | Kraps | those perks are sick |
| 15:54.07 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/07/01/cataclysm-beta-goblin-flirt-and-silly-sounds/#continued |
| 15:54.46 | Kraps | AMG THE FLIRTS |
| 15:57.10 | Kraps | female goblin sounds like a less insane version of Harley Quinn in the Arkham Asylum game |
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| 16:00.46 | Cairenn | station |
| 16:00.50 | Lunessa | station! |
| 16:00.54 | cog|work | mornin! |
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| 16:03.09 | Lunessa | From the Reinforcing Stereotypes File: I just got paperwork to create an e-mail account for a guy named Bubba Jones. |
| 16:03.43 | Kraps | Lunessa: gmail is hard k? |
| 16:04.07 | Lunessa | Kraps: I r the sysadmin, k? |
| 16:04.40 | tem | Youtube has been completely busted for me for the last few days |
| 16:04.45 | tem | what on earth is that about? |
| 16:05.05 | Kraps | and Bubba Jones grew up in a penthouse in Manhattan, what stereotype? |
| 16:05.22 | Lunessa | that's 'cause everyone is uploading copyright infringing material, knowing they won't get busted ... ever. |
| 16:06.31 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/06/30/cataclysm-beta-worgen-silly-and-flirt-sounds/ oh come on, these /flirts wont make it into the game |
| 16:07.02 | Kraps | british accent ftw |
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| 16:07.38 | Fisker | Lunessa |
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| 16:09.01 | Kraps | cool, they have a different voice depending on the form |
| 16:09.10 | malreth | I HAVE EMERGED VICTORIOUS |
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| 16:13.48 | Lunessa | You defeated the Cat5 Creature. |
| 16:14.21 | Vlakarados | what causes status bar to "stretch" instead of filling? |
| 16:16.13 | Lunessa | Incorrect use of the SetTex___: api. |
| 16:20.30 | nevcairiel | actually, its kinda a bug |
| 16:20.33 | nevcairiel | or was in 3.3.3 |
| 16:20.36 | nevcairiel | wonder if it got fixed |
| 16:22.46 | Vlakarados | thanks |
| 16:22.52 | mikma | what's a easy way of knowing what's the latest ChatFrameX you have? |
| 16:23.12 | Vlakarados | but how do I fix it to fill? |
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| 16:23.39 | Vlakarados | I'm using oUF and can't find a way |
| 16:24.04 | Lopeppeppy | cheers for malreth |
| 16:24.14 | Kraps | Five pets can now be stored with the hunter at all times. Any one of these five pets can be summoned via the Call Pet ability. |
| 16:24.18 | Kraps | woot |
| 16:24.43 | malreth | i'm sending a request to our networking folks to pretty please not revoke 802.1x certificates without prior notice |
| 16:24.57 | Blia | could SetBackdropColor let me change the background color of a button if it's clicked ? |
| 16:25.42 | Fisker | lol wat |
| 16:25.47 | Fisker | i had someone named "?" in ignore |
| 16:25.49 | Fisker | then i removed it |
| 16:25.52 | Fisker | then the game crashed |
| 16:25.53 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, in your dreams. |
| 16:26.52 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: in my dreams, you show up with pizza and beer and we watch Doctor Who all night. This, however, is reality and there are consequences to such lapses in communication. |
| 16:26.55 | mikma | wobin: http://open.spotify.com/track/6gJjuXdOQngXo2sLPPfXty |
| 16:27.01 | Lopeppeppy | Had them call me one afternoon to tell me the entire web server was being decomissioned the next day. Timely communication is not on the job description. |
| 16:27.13 | Lopeppeppy | Malreth, this is a good dream, I approve of your content. |
| 16:27.20 | Fister | omglol :) |
| 16:27.43 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: ... man, that IS a good dream |
| 16:27.53 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: that's because i neglected to mention what we were wearing. also, cheese is really hard to get out of rabbit fur. |
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| 16:28.12 | Lopeppeppy | Feed the rabbit to the mongoose, no need to clean the furs afterward. :) |
| 16:28.23 | malreth | you are so thoughtful |
| 16:30.06 | Lopeppeppy | I try to plan my dates with great care, and always read the dry cleaning labels. |
| 16:32.08 | Fisker | i don't hate you malreth |
| 16:32.23 | Fister | i do hate you malreth |
| 16:32.34 | malreth | i feel exactly the opposite |
| 16:33.22 | Fisker | so you hate me but not Fister ? |
| 16:33.42 | Fister | that's because i'm so cool, and you are not. |
| 16:34.16 | malreth | opposite. still feelin' it. |
| 16:34.17 | mikma | now, i hope that makes NeonChat users happy :) |
| 16:34.37 | mikma | OMG PENDING WHAT'S TAKING SO LONG lol lol |
| 16:35.54 | Kraps | The statement below is false. |
| 16:35.56 | Kraps | The statement above is true. |
| 16:36.08 | mikma | wow, that's like, infinite loop! |
| 16:36.17 | mikma | but hey, wanna see something cool? |
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| 16:36.26 | mikma | injects /0 into kraps's statements |
| 16:36.53 | Kraps | k you just broke the universe |
| 16:36.57 | Kraps | happy now? |
| 16:37.30 | mikma | quite a bit, yes |
| 16:38.38 | Kraps | the only solution is tree |
| 16:39.54 | tem | what's the good virus scanner these days? |
| 16:39.59 | tem | I haven't used one in years |
| 16:40.10 | tem | but my computer is acting weird |
| 16:40.22 | durcyn | http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4nj0x1KCz1qzieapo1_400.jpg vuvuzelas are scary. |
| 16:40.28 | malreth | tem: windows? |
| 16:40.34 | tem | win7 |
| 16:40.40 | mikma | tem: panda cloud |
| 16:40.51 | malreth | microsoft security essentials actually isn't all that bad |
| 16:40.53 | tem | I heard the new microsoft one is supposed to be good |
| 16:41.01 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.06 | tem | but I don't think it's called microsoft security essentials |
| 16:41.16 | Kraps | tem: yes it is :) |
| 16:41.32 | Kraps | http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/ |
| 16:41.34 | malreth | we use the enterprise version... Forefront here on campus on all of our windows clients |
| 16:42.06 | Kraps | malreth: didnt know there was an enterprise version |
| 16:42.36 | Kraps | oic |
| 16:42.44 | malreth | it works... very few false positives |
| 16:42.52 | malreth | oddly, i kinda trust this to the OS vendor more than a third party |
| 16:45.21 | Lunessa | I'm using it at home on my Windows7 box with good results. |
| 16:45.56 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626575587&sid=1 |
| 16:49.38 | malreth | Blizzard is going to run out of adjectives... Enchant Chest - Peerless Stats |
| 16:50.00 | Lunessa | Apparently the spammers are getting really good at forging headers. |
| 16:50.20 | durcyn | there are still a few degrees left. |
| 16:50.34 | Jamash | I'm using MSE too on win7 |
| 16:50.42 | durcyn | Enchant Chest - Awesome Stats, Enchant Chest - Mindfuck States, Enchant Chest - Holy Shit Stats |
| 16:50.49 | durcyn | they just have to embrace the vernacular |
| 16:51.36 | Kraps | took a few tries http://thesaurus.com/browse/superb |
| 16:52.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I want to see "Hoopy Stats", "Froody Stats" |
| 16:53.20 | Jamash | awesometastic stats |
| 16:53.54 | Jamash | orgasmic stats |
| 16:54.15 | Jamash | LUDICROUS STATS! |
| 16:54.38 | Jamash | ok, I'm reinstalling all my addons after they blew up |
| 16:54.44 | Jamash | fubar, titanpanel or broker? |
| 16:55.03 | malreth | Ludicrous Stats is awesome |
| 16:55.23 | malreth | go Broker or go home |
| 16:55.34 | Fisker | godlike stats Jamash |
| 16:55.41 | malreth | i think i'm using Docking Station or something like that |
| 16:56.23 | Kraps | These Stats Are the Bomb |
| 16:57.34 | amro | they'll just tier them |
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| 16:57.39 | amro | Exceptional Stats II |
| 16:58.04 | Kraps | Too Cool For School Stats |
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| 16:58.30 | Jamash | Partially Fused With Infinity Stats |
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| 16:59.01 | malreth | OVER 9000 STATS!!! |
| 17:01.18 | Jamash | there you go |
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| 17:02.51 | Xinhuan | Kraps is going to spend the next 12 hours linking cata posts to us |
| 17:03.14 | nicoli_s | im just ready for my damn account to get activated |
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| 17:13.03 | Lunessa | Scroll of Enchant Chest: These Stats are Better Than Your Stats Bitches |
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| 17:14.09 | Lunessa | I was disappointed to login this morning and find no guild interface yet. Oh well. |
| 17:16.17 | Lopeppeppy | Beta is beta, baby! :P |
| 17:16.42 | Xinhuan | its just so weird to press O and not see a guild list |
| 17:16.58 | mikma | so again, is there any way of knowing the current active chatframe (not editbox) |
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| 17:19.00 | Fisker | hey Lunessa |
| 17:19.04 | Fisker | that was late |
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| 17:19.45 | Lunessa | Xinhuan: Yeah, it's been creeping me out for a bit - however, mostly I seem to be the only one on anyway. |
| 17:20.41 | Xinhuan | mikma |
| 17:20.44 | Xinhuan | its the same way |
| 17:20.49 | Xinhuan | get GetParent() |
| 17:20.51 | Xinhuan | on it |
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| 17:20.58 | Xinhuan | ChatEdit_GetActiveWindow():GetParent() |
| 17:21.33 | NightHawkTheSane | wts body for beta invite? >.> |
| 17:22.07 | mikma | xinhuan: nope, that won't do with classic. returns "UIParent" as name |
| 17:22.33 | Xinhuan | then check for the existence of ChatEdit_GetActiveWindow itself? |
| 17:23.04 | Xinhuan | oh i get what you mean |
| 17:24.09 | mikma | SELECTED_CHAT_FRAME:GetName() |
| 17:24.11 | mikma | this might work |
| 17:25.51 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/fHpn7.jpg <-f..... |
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| 17:27.36 | Xinhuan | there seems to be a SELECTED_DOCK_FRAME as well |
| 17:28.57 | mikma | oh cool, ACTIVE_CHAT_EDIT_BOX stops "working" when you switch to Classic |
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| 17:30.02 | Lunessa | I will never understand why people insist on an entirely different set of key mappings for PvP. |
| 17:30.13 | Xinhuan | mikma, try FCFDock_GetSelectedWindow(GENERAL_CHAT_DOCK) ? |
| 17:30.59 | Kraps | Xinhuan: and that a problem why? :p |
| 17:31.21 | Xinhuan | no problem, just amusing to see someone with so much energy pouring into cata :) |
| 17:32.14 | Kraps | its exciting right now :p |
| 17:32.16 | malreth | i'm so glad i went with a DX11 video card |
| 17:34.45 | Lunessa | kd3: Are you going to be doing diffs for beta? |
| 17:36.01 | Lunessa | malreth: Right now I'm wishing I had. But it's time I got a new computer anyway. |
| 17:36.24 | Kraps | malreth: check out these names Hypnotic Dust, Greater/Lesser Celestial Essence, Maelstrom Crystal, Heavenly Shard |
| 17:38.43 | malreth | i loves me some Hypnotic Dust |
| 17:39.55 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 17:39.59 | Fisker | can i ask something of you? |
| 17:40.07 | cog|work | u jus did |
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| 17:40.11 | Fisker | indeed i did |
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| 17:40.26 | cog|work | so apparently you can |
| 17:41.20 | Kraps | hey Fisker, say "mixed biscuits" fast 5 times |
| 17:42.53 | Kraps | holy crap, look at all the new FPs http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25171671009&sid=2000 |
| 17:43.17 | Fisker | yeah |
| 17:43.20 | Fisker | over a hundred |
| 17:43.31 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: (New) - Goldshire |
| 17:45.58 | Kraps | (New) - Moonbrook |
| 17:45.59 | Kraps | (New) - Furlbrow's Pumpkin Farm - north central part of zone |
| 17:46.01 | Kraps | haha |
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| 17:48.04 | Lunessa | A game world needs size in order to be big, inclusive and interesting. But travel is a very tedious part of the game after your initial exploration. Flight paths reduce that tedium. |
| 17:51.02 | Lunessa | What I want to know is why there are so many gorram pumpkin farms and only one or two pumpkin food items. |
| 17:51.26 | malreth | good point, Lunessa |
| 17:51.58 | malreth | you'd think some of them would be corn... with fields that you could run through |
| 17:52.04 | malreth | that would be sweet |
| 17:52.24 | Fisker | hey Maldivia |
| 17:52.29 | Fisker | even though it's hey malreth |
| 17:52.37 | Lunessa | I mean, they even ADDED pumpkin farms. |
| 17:52.51 | malreth | yes, Fisker? |
| 17:54.03 | Fister | I want to fist you. |
| 17:54.33 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Where the hell you think all those helms come from anyway? |
| 17:54.46 | Dagmar | These pumpkin hats don't just get fabricated outta thin air |
| 17:55.28 | malreth | ~kill Fister |
| 17:55.29 | purl | ACTION shoots a super-inverse anti-photon gun at Fister |
| 17:55.32 | Dagmar | TWELVE MILLION reprobates smashing pumpkins on each other's heads during October, and only a half-dozen pumpkin farms trying desperately to keep up |
| 17:55.40 | Lunessa | lol |
| 17:56.16 | tem | oh god I hate those pumpkin helms so much |
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| 17:57.51 | Lunessa | Haha... I store a bunch of them to use at random times for lulz. They're hilarious to throw on gnome or dwarf tanks right before a big pull. |
| 17:58.01 | Cide | hi |
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| 17:58.36 | Lunessa | Hi. Hello. How are ya? Hi. |
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| 18:01.40 | malreth | Frenzyheart Brew + Mirror Image = Winner |
| 18:02.00 | malreth | PUPPIES EVERWHERE |
| 18:02.03 | mikma | malreth: or, Orb of Deception |
| 18:02.27 | Lunessa | Nah, orb not as fun as wolvar form. |
| 18:02.48 | Lunessa | So, do Worgen like Wolvar more than Oracles? :P |
| 18:03.01 | malreth | hmm |
| 18:04.01 | Xinhuan | zzz dragon's agr origins on sale again, at an even cheaper price |
| 18:04.04 | Xinhuan | age* |
| 18:04.10 | Xinhuan | on steam |
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| 18:13.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: maybe for breakfast? |
| 18:14.01 | Lunessa | lol |
| 18:15.40 | mikma | You receive loot: [Frostscythe of Lord Ahune]. |
| 18:15.41 | mikma | You receive loot: [Emblem of Frost]x2. |
| 18:15.43 | mikma | lol what |
| 18:16.49 | malreth | i love the frostscythe |
| 18:17.03 | mikma | too bad i can't actually benefit from it, at all |
| 18:17.07 | mikma | since this was on my rogue :D |
| 18:17.24 | malreth | aw... it vendors for a nice sum of gold. |
| 18:17.33 | mikma | 29g \o/ |
| 18:17.53 | malreth | that'll pay for a really nice dinner |
| 18:18.27 | malreth | there should be a movie theater in the game... where you could watch movies. |
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| 18:19.12 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: .... you know, that's actually a startlingly brilliant idea |
| 18:19.59 | alestane | http://www.menagea3.net/d/20100701.html slightly [NSFW] |
| 18:20.42 | Kraps | i think they disabled addons from the beta for now? |
| 18:21.42 | Fisker | no |
| 18:21.46 | Fisker | that was the F&F |
| 18:21.49 | mikma | alestane: err, how's that exactly even slightly? :O |
| 18:21.55 | alestane | http://lfgcomic.com/page/370 "Is it safe to assume you'll be committing unspeakable acts of horror?" |
| 18:21.57 | mikma | alestane: imho sfw 100% |
| 18:22.00 | Kraps | mmk |
| 18:22.15 | alestane | Depends on the adds on the page, mikma, or whether one goes browsing the archives. |
| 18:22.37 | Kraps | where does kd3 keep his "diff"? |
| 18:22.38 | mikma | "DRAW YOUR MANGA BABE"? |
| 18:22.43 | Fisker | you want to see nsfw? |
| 18:22.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: in his pants. |
| 18:23.02 | malreth | idunno... i'm signing up for that geek dating site right now |
| 18:23.18 | Kraps | thats what i thought NHTS |
| 18:23.48 | Kraps | the question is: which pants? |
| 18:25.20 | Kraps | why does this guy write "BETA"? it's not an acronym, as far as i can tell http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626455802&sid=2000 |
| 18:25.54 | NightHawkTheSane | the answer to any "why" question involving the official forums is typically "because they're idiots" |
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| 18:26.42 | malreth | hey... watch this... LUA |
| 18:26.52 | malreth | clears throat |
| 18:26.55 | malreth | LUA |
| 18:27.07 | malreth | damn |
| 18:27.11 | Kraps | this guy wrote a FAQ! |
| 18:27.34 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: krka has let us down :( |
| 18:28.29 | malreth | i agree |
| 18:29.26 | Kraps | FAQ is an acronym BTW |
| 18:29.32 | Kraps | BTW is too |
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| 18:30.17 | Kraps | is BTW in the dictionary? |
| 18:31.49 | Fisker | LUA's Used as an Acronym |
| 18:32.36 | nicoli_s | neither FAQ or BTW is an acronym |
| 18:32.41 | nicoli_s | they are initialism |
| 18:32.52 | nicoli_s | its only an acronym if the letters make up a word you pronounce |
| 18:33.07 | malreth | like SCUBA |
| 18:33.07 | nicoli_s | and you dont say the literal word FAQ you say the letters |
| 18:33.17 | nicoli_s | yes, scuba, or laser are acronyms |
| 18:33.23 | Thunder_Child | you do if you are eminem |
| 18:33.24 | malreth | and RADAR |
| 18:34.36 | malreth | and SHIRIK |
| 18:34.40 | Fisker | nicoli_s |
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| 18:35.00 | Kraps | isnt there another name for initialism? |
| 18:35.33 | Fisker | i prounounce FAQ |
| 18:35.47 | zenzelezz | http://www.lyberty.com/encyc/articles/abbr.html |
| 18:35.47 | malreth | actually, i do as well |
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| 18:37.02 | Kraps | But it's not an acronym, because it's not a word! (You can tell, because you don't say "heh-teh-mehl" |
| 18:37.19 | Kraps | i think i'll do that from now on |
| 18:37.43 | Kraps | HTML = hit-mil |
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| 18:39.17 | Fisker | i think FAQ could pass for a word |
| 18:39.28 | Fisker | gotta be stupid if you say "F A Q" |
| 18:39.29 | Fisker | imo |
| 18:39.30 | malreth | but i say eff-eee-kyuuu when i see it written as F.A.Q. |
| 18:39.34 | Fisker | "FAUWK" is fucking awesome |
| 18:40.02 | Thunder_Child | php is fun to try to say out loud |
| 18:40.06 | Thunder_Child | phuuup |
| 18:40.19 | Fisker | phep |
| 18:40.28 | cog|work | phap |
| 18:40.45 | Fisker | fap? |
| 18:40.49 | Thunder_Child | no e |
| 18:41.11 | Fisker | e |
| 18:41.17 | Dagmar | malreth: As a professional BOFH allow me to offer you a more proactive solution to that. We all know the reason those things are written is to give people answers before they ask the questions, because they're generally not smart enough to frame them properly. |
| 18:41.30 | Dagmar | This means it's a Frequently Unasked Questions documnet. |
| 18:41.52 | Dagmar | ...or "FUQ", which is quite readilly pronounceable as "fuh-queue" |
| 18:41.55 | malreth | heh i see what u did there |
| 18:42.07 | Dagmar | Oh that's what I did for the Dropline FAQ |
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| 18:42.16 | Dagmar | ...or rather FUQ |
| 18:42.43 | Fisker | fuq u |
| 18:43.19 | Dagmar | There's only so many times you can have people jabber "BUT PAM! IT R INSEKURE!" before you begin to think it's time to rip some faces off |
| 18:44.30 | malreth | ~facerip Dagmar |
| 18:44.37 | malreth | hmm... |
| 18:44.53 | malreth | i forget how to write commands |
| 18:44.57 | Dagmar | Most people I've seen pronouncing "FAQ" as "fahk" |
| 18:45.04 | mikma | OH FAAAAAAAAAAQ |
| 18:45.16 | zenzelezz | FAKK |
| 18:45.19 | Dagmar | ...hmm... or rather *heard* them pronouncing it that way |
| 18:45.25 | malreth | purl, facerip $1 is <action> rips $1's face off. |
| 18:45.26 | purl | malreth: okay |
| 18:45.26 | Lunessa | I'll fahk your system and your woman and leave you to QQ! |
| 18:45.32 | malreth | ~facerip Dagmar |
| 18:45.33 | purl | ACTION rips Dagmar's face off. |
| 18:45.39 | malreth | very good |
| 18:45.43 | mikma | lunessa: leave me to hkhk? |
| 18:45.55 | Dagmar | pulls out a replacement from the psychomat dispenser |
| 18:46.22 | Kraps | people still think Neth is a guy |
| 18:47.45 | cog|work | people still think Fisker is a guy |
| 18:48.01 | alestane | The A in FAQ is as in apple...or "ask"m for that matter. |
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| 18:49.33 | Kraps | i would pay $10 to be in the beta |
| 18:49.51 | ZorbaTHut | I would pay $50 to be in the beta and to get $50. |
| 18:51.59 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626576087&sid=1 |
| 18:56.14 | alestane | http://thebubble.msn.com/video/?id=92f6509b-5cf0-41d0-b9f1-13bfb49bdef8 |
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| 19:00.09 | NeoTron | Kraps: Sorry, not selling! |
| 19:00.48 | Kraps | NeoTron: i'll be your bestest fwend! |
| 19:02.31 | Kraps | alestane: church choir with electric guitars? |
| 19:02.47 | Fisker | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8202460383&sid=2003 |
| 19:04.16 | Kraps | Fisker: Wrath of the Lich King will be awesome! |
| 19:06.09 | Fisker | i think so too |
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| 19:08.34 | cog|work | blizzard's forums still seem to have it out for me... three threads of mine have disappeared on both live and alpha in the last couple months, and not for lack of activity... |
| 19:08.40 | cog|work | /tinfoilhat |
| 19:09.41 | krka | malreth, NightHawkTheSane: i can give you the acronym script if you want it, i just have it disabled since a bunch of people found it annoying |
| 19:09.50 | alestane | Here's a surreally beautiful thing: http://thebubble.msn.com/video/?id=f4d81525-6830-42d3-8ac7-ee8be900c13a |
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| 19:12.41 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 19:12.42 | Fisker | postwipe |
| 19:12.50 | krka | here it is, it's a pretty crappy irssi script, since i am pretty crappy perl developer http://pastey.net/138195 |
| 19:13.33 | Fisker | so we agree alestane |
| 19:13.35 | Fisker | FAQ = FAG |
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| 19:16.25 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 19:16.30 | Fisker | always bet on duke |
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| 19:18.15 | Kraps | bioshock is $5 on steam |
| 19:18.58 | sylvanaar_iphone | They have that big summer sale |
| 19:19.15 | Kraps | yeah |
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| 19:20.11 | sylvanaar_iphone | has too many games already |
| 19:20.49 | Kraps | but what if you want to play the one you dont have?...someday... |
| 19:20.53 | Kraps | :p |
| 19:21.11 | Fisker | how many sylvanaar_atwork ? |
| 19:26.32 | sylvanaar_iphone | Lol |
| 19:30.32 | sylvanaar_iphone | Are you not my steam friend Fisker |
| 19:34.26 | NightHawkTheSane | this is freaking awesome: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/01/your-money/01benefits.html |
| 19:37.13 | Kalroth | While it's cool what Google does and what, why in the freaking hell would you tax gays and lesbians more than heterosexuals? what is wrong with people |
| 19:39.38 | Lunessa | Kalroth: it's a tax on more than just non-heterosexuals. The same tax applies to heterosexual couples that file for spousal equivalency. |
| 19:40.16 | Kalroth | but isn't it illegal for homosexuals to get married in most states? |
| 19:40.38 | Lunessa | Currently, yes. |
| 19:40.55 | Lunessa | I was just pointing out that the tax was broader. |
| 19:41.39 | alestane | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-18212.html |
| 19:41.55 | Kalroth | alestane: It's true |
| 19:41.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Kalroth: indeed, the article notes somewhat obliquely that google's compensation doesn't apply to heterosexual couples, as they can avoid the tax by marrying |
| 19:42.01 | Lunessa | Note that Google extended this benefit only to non-heterosexual couples because heteros can avoid the tax by getting married. |
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| 19:42.12 | Lunessa | haha.. Night types faster. |
| 19:42.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 19:43.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Kalroth: ultimatly, the real crime is not allowing same-sex couples to marry, and be recognized as such legally. |
| 19:43.51 | Kalroth | Yeah, that doesn't make it much better, why should married couples get a tax cut while people that live together doesn't :) |
| 19:44.12 | Kalroth | Yes, that too |
| 19:45.34 | Lunessa | Kalroth: It's not exactly a tax. It's that health benefits aren't counted as taxable income for married couples. The wheels of law grind very slowly, and there has never been a point in human history when all people were treated the same under law. It takes time to change the minds of people who make law, enforce law, and the collective bodies that elect them. |
| 19:46.02 | Fisker | maybe i am sylvanaar_atwork |
| 19:46.19 | Lunessa | And call it what you want, but this is the truth everywhere. |
| 19:46.44 | Kalroth | Lunessa: Well it's a benefit for the married couple, no? |
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| 19:47.00 | Kalroth | So that pretty much equals a tax for non-married couples, homosexual or not |
| 19:47.01 | Lunessa | Kalroth: I'm not arguing that. |
| 19:47.28 | Dagmar | Kalroth: It's because they're only living togetgher, not married |
| 19:47.36 | Kalroth | Whats the difference? |
| 19:47.41 | Lunessa | I'm saying that the law is what it is because people wanted it. That it isn't exactly fair now is because we have changed what we think of as fair and right. |
| 19:47.48 | Dagmar | Of course, this would cease to be a problem if the fundamentalists would just shut the fuck up and let gay marriage be |
| 19:48.06 | Dagmar | We need to abolish fucking DIVORCE if they're not going to "tolerate" same-sex marriages |
| 19:48.11 | Lunessa | 50 years ago, people who 'lived together' were socially ostracized. |
| 19:48.28 | Kalroth | Well I'm also arguing what the difference between a married couple and a non-married couple is :p |
| 19:48.33 | Dagmar | If it's that fucking sanctified then it needs to be something you can undo wiht a goddamn $150 filing fee |
| 19:48.41 | Dagmar | er can't undp |
| 19:48.43 | Kalroth | Because I don't see any really |
| 19:49.02 | Dagmar | Kalroth: If your housemate moves out, they take their shit and you're done. |
| 19:49.12 | Lunessa | We have the whole marriage/divorce thing backwards. |
| 19:49.14 | Kalroth | Dagmar: Yeah? |
| 19:49.15 | Dagmar | If your spouse moves out, they take their shit and YOUR shit and you're screwed. |
| 19:49.24 | Dagmar | There's the difference right there.e |
| 19:49.31 | kd3 | Lunessa, yes |
| 19:49.34 | Kalroth | Err, why would the spouse take my shit too? |
| 19:49.36 | Lunessa | We should make it easy as anything to separate, hard as hell to get married. |
| 19:49.40 | alestane | "I just spiked the applesauce. Try to tell me again your party is better." |
| 19:49.43 | Dagmar | Kalroth: Because tey can. |
| 19:49.52 | Lunessa | Kalroth: You've never been married in a community property state |
| 19:50.08 | Kalroth | You guys got issues with your laws :) |
| 19:50.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: that doesn't justify the uber-religious zealous idea that marriage is a deeply sacred and religious ceremony that should never be allowed to be broken. |
| 19:50.42 | Dagmar | Kalroth: No idea what commie place you live in, but in the US without a pre-nuptual agreement stating otherwise, when you get married, you are now a weird sort of joint entity and all property of both parties becomes owned by the joint entity |
| 19:50.44 | NightHawkTheSane | zealotous* |
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| 19:51.02 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: You're not Catholic I take it. :) |
| 19:51.14 | kd3 | ooh, the marriage discussion |
| 19:51.15 | Kalroth | a pre-nuptual agreement makes the entire idea of [religious] marriage pretty fucking dumb though |
| 19:51.20 | kd3 | tabs back out to cata |
| 19:51.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: technically i suppose i am.. but no. ;) |
| 19:51.32 | Lunessa | Right. :) |
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| 19:51.52 | NightHawkTheSane | was baptized, and had confirmation, and hasn't been to a church since. |
| 19:51.53 | Dagmar | This reminds me |
| 19:51.58 | Kalroth | Religion is fine, just don't give religious people any form of power. :) |
| 19:52.04 | Lunessa | The thing is, marriage has all kinds of history and trappings and meaning to all kinds of people. It's a big deal, even to people who claim to hate the very idea. |
| 19:52.11 | Dagmar | I now formally get to chew out one of my uncles for forwarding goddamn political trollery mail |
| 19:52.19 | Kalroth | Lunessa: Except for those it don't. |
| 19:52.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, we're slowly crawling out of that mindset, but it'll take a while |
| 19:52.35 | Dagmar | He's been circulating a bunch of that jackass tea party crap to my relatives, and my mom of course forwards this to me |
| 19:52.47 | Dagmar | ...which makes it a waste of my time. |
| 19:52.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: does your mother.. hate you? :P |
| 19:52.58 | Lunessa | Kalroth: You're upset about married people vs non-married people being treated differently. I submit that you care about marriage in some form. |
| 19:53.04 | Dagmar | Uncle's about to learn that little Paul can be a real asshole about politics when he's being lied to |
| 19:53.06 | NightHawkTheSane | my mom just forwards me huffington post crap. :P |
| 19:53.22 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: No, she thinks his emails are great |
| 19:53.25 | Kalroth | Lunessa: No, I'm upset that people are being treated differently based on some arbitrary contract. |
| 19:53.29 | Dagmar | I think they're a load of crap. |
| 19:53.55 | Dagmar | The email in particular cites that taxable health insurance crap as if it were something the _Obama_ people threw in |
| 19:54.16 | Kalroth | It's no different than taxing people by their religion, if you don't have a religion then you get to pay 5% more in taxes! |
| 19:54.18 | Dagmar | ...which is a) entirely untrue, and b) is the direct responsibility of the lunatic jackasses who originated this lie |
| 19:54.59 | Dagmar | So my Uncle's going to get a bitching out about forwarding political mails from a group of known compulsive liars without fact-checking first. |
| 19:55.03 | Lunessa | Kalroth: It is what it is. And like it or not, changing law takes time. And the reason is, not everyone feels the same way as you do. |
| 19:55.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: if you're going to get angry about liars in politics and media, you're going to be a very, very angry person... wait, nevermind, you already are.. |
| 19:55.21 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Exactly. |
| 19:55.27 | Lunessa | He's the second most angry person I know. |
| 19:55.28 | Kalroth | Well "law takes time" is hardly an excuse, if something is obviously wrong then why not change it? |
| 19:55.46 | Dagmar | Kalroth: because there's a whole lot of fuckers you have to work around first |
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| 19:56.08 | Lunessa | I'm not making an excuse, I'm stating fact. I also pointed out where your previous argument had a minor hole. |
| 19:56.18 | Dagmar | Sadly, we're not allowed to have honor duels to sort this out |
| 19:56.37 | Kalroth | Now if you had said that people are stubborn bigots and impossible to argue with, then sure. :) |
| 19:56.45 | Lunessa | Dagmar: You'd have to be pretty good with a gun or blade and you'd have little time for earning a living. |
| 19:56.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: who's the first? |
| 19:57.10 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Me. |
| 19:57.20 | Dagmar | Have you SEEN the relative fitness of the average career politician? |
| 19:57.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: see, you seem way more laid back than Dagmar |
| 19:57.22 | Dagmar | Seriously. |
| 19:57.31 | Lunessa | I'm just not as demonstrative as Dagmar. |
| 19:57.37 | Dagmar | If you put me in a room with the entire senate and a wiffle bat, I could probably beat them all to death with i |
| 19:58.05 | Kalroth | Dagmar: Thing is, your senate represents the people -- you shouldn't be mad at them, you should be mad at yourself. |
| 19:58.09 | Lunessa | Dagmar: If they'ed had to climb over their opponents with swords though... |
| 19:59.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Kalroth: if we're splitting hairs, thats not quite true. The senate represents the states while the house represents the people. |
| 19:59.36 | Dagmar | Kalroth: You are not living in the same world as the rest of us |
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| 19:59.43 | Kalroth | NightHawkTheSane: Well how do senators get in the senate? |
| 20:00.10 | Dagmar | Kalroth: They spend a few million dollars convincing the stupid to come out and vote for their smil4e |
| 20:00.24 | Kalroth | And who are the stupid? |
| 20:00.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Kalroth: by winning a winner-take-all election that typically manages to disregard the will of half (or more) of the electorate. |
| 20:00.32 | Dagmar | ...and people wonder why I go apeshit when I see or hear someone campaigning for mediocrity. |
| 20:01.02 | Dagmar | Kalroth: Joe the Plumber is one. Anyone who attended an underfunded public school is likely to be more of them... |
| 20:01.06 | Kalroth | Fact is: you got a democratic form of government, so YOU put them there |
| 20:01.10 | NightHawkTheSane | (which, admittedly, is the same for the house, but the smaller scale of house districs reduces the severity of that a bit) |
| 20:01.10 | Dagmar | Sarah Palin <-- definitely an idiot |
| 20:01.21 | Dagmar | Kalroth: No, I did not;. |
| 20:01.23 | Kalroth | Don't blame them for being idiots, blame yourself for putting them there |
| 20:01.28 | Kraps | porn is an adjective? |
| 20:01.34 | cog|work | Kalroth: no, we blam the other idiots who voted for them |
| 20:01.40 | cog|work | no one i've ever voted for has been elected |
| 20:01.44 | cog|work | blame* |
| 20:01.45 | Dagmar | Kalroth: Your opinion is stupid. To illustrate this, I will ask you oh great one, what is the solution to this |
| 20:02.01 | Dagmar | ...because *I* could vote for Howard the Duck and it wouldn't change a damn thing |
| 20:02.03 | Kalroth | So you're saying that you're all living under a government you don't like? :) |
| 20:02.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Kalroth: the problem, then, is that I should blame myself for senators from wyoming? |
| 20:02.16 | Kalroth | One you don't agree with |
| 20:02.17 | Dagmar | Well, we could always burn some shit down like they do in savage countries |
| 20:02.41 | cog|work | Kalroth: exactly. The approval rating of congress is usually in the 30% range. |
| 20:02.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Kalroth: actually, yes, i am saying i'm living under a government i dont like. |
| 20:02.55 | Kalroth | Then who is the fool? :p |
| 20:02.57 | NightHawkTheSane | and were it financially feasible, I'd probably move. |
| 20:02.58 | cog|work | most people in the us don't like the way the government behaves. |
| 20:03.05 | cog|work | Kalroth: imo we should've let the south secede |
| 20:03.14 | Dagmar | Kalroth: I'd also like to know how you got from "an excess of political corruption" to "democracy must be at fault" |
| 20:03.14 | Kalroth | Cut off Florida imo! |
| 20:03.17 | NightHawkTheSane | but the limitations of our corporate controlled society means that I don't really have the financial freedom to actually do what I want. |
| 20:03.33 | Kalroth | Dagmar: You just said yourself that you can't do anything about who is in seat? |
| 20:03.34 | nevcairiel | Is it a general problem of the system, or of the government you elected? =p |
| 20:03.43 | cog|work | nevcairiel: both |
| 20:03.43 | Dagmar | cog: Well, they *did* secede |
| 20:03.45 | nevcairiel | If its the latter .. and mots people dont like it .. why do you vote for them? |
| 20:03.47 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: both, at the same time. |
| 20:03.47 | Kalroth | Dagmar: Isn't that a failed democrazy? |
| 20:03.54 | Dagmar | Kalroth: No. |
| 20:04.05 | cog|work | we need range or approval voting |
| 20:04.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 20:04.11 | cog|work | http://rangevoting.org |
| 20:04.27 | NightHawkTheSane | we also need to re-think the senate |
| 20:04.37 | alestane | And also, there seem to be an excess of people who ar more concerned with finding someone to blame than with correcting issues. |
| 20:04.54 | nevcairiel | usually a better democracy is bad for the politicians |
| 20:04.54 | Kalroth | alestane: Thats a culture thing though |
| 20:04.59 | nevcairiel | so they'll not move to change it |
| 20:05.35 | Kalroth | I mean, in the states they run ads where one politician spends minutes shitting up the back of another politician |
| 20:05.38 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: I think that's a direct result of the failure of media |
| 20:05.43 | Dagmar | alestane: That's called "the minority party" usualkly |
| 20:05.58 | Lunessa | Democracy is the worst form of government. Except for all the others. Winston Churchill - the drunken limey got it right. |
| 20:06.09 | Dagmar | heh |
| 20:06.41 | NightHawkTheSane | If the media stopped being the right-hand of corporations and government, and actually did honest-to-fucking-god investigative reporting, a lot of percieved problems would probably resolve themselves. |
| 20:06.45 | Lunessa | And to be honest, the US of A is a Democratic Republic, not a true democracry. |
| 20:07.01 | Dagmar | If it were a true democracy pot would be legal. |
| 20:07.03 | theorbtwo | Lunessa: Just like every other democracy the world has ever had. |
| 20:07.07 | Kalroth | Lunessa: Its okay, you're still young as a country, you'll get it eventually. :P |
| 20:07.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i think the appropriate term is Repressentive Republic? but meh, it's splitting hairs |
| 20:07.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Representetive* |
| 20:07.29 | Kalroth | Representative Democracy, yeah |
| 20:07.31 | Dagmar | ...and THEN at least there'd be some excuse for all the bullshit in the media. Policians could just say "Oh wow. I was high when I said that." |
| 20:07.42 | Lunessa | Kalroth: You're just being a sanctimonious prick because your argument holds no water. |
| 20:08.03 | nevcairiel | I never understood how your election system is even "fair". I mean, you vote for some guy, that then votes for the president, right? But that guy can change his opinion, cant he? |
| 20:08.09 | Fisker | lolwat |
| 20:08.14 | Kalroth | Lunessa: Hey, in my country gays can marry and get a true wedding, what about yours. |
| 20:08.17 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yeah.. exactly. welcome to the 2000 elections ;) |
| 20:08.17 | Fisker | a replacement for HDMI based on ethernet cables |
| 20:08.29 | cog|work | nevcairiel: not exactly. |
| 20:08.30 | Fisker | that's fucked up etc. |
| 20:08.40 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: The electoral college system is kind of confusing. |
| 20:08.42 | cog|work | the way electors are chosen varies by state |
| 20:08.42 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: although, to be sure, many states have laws about who their electors must vote for |
| 20:08.46 | Kalroth | Thats why Fisker and I can hold hand in public! |
| 20:09.01 | Lunessa | Kalroth: I thought you didn't care about marriage? |
| 20:09.13 | Kalroth | Lunessa: I don't, but you obviously do. :) |
| 20:09.18 | NightHawkTheSane | there have been very few situations where the electors have voted out of line with the populations they represent. |
| 20:09.21 | Fisker | i want you Kalroth |
| 20:09.32 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: still, it's a pretty borked up system. |
| 20:09.48 | Kalroth | Fisker: No, you only want me for my hdmi-over-ethernet ideas |
| 20:10.13 | alestane | The electoral college is based largely on two premises: |
| 20:10.17 | Lunessa | Kalroth: Seriously, you're being a douche to be a douche. I'm willing to bet your nation of origin has done every bad thing you seem to think the US does at one point or another in it's history. |
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| 20:10.34 | nevcairiel | Well, our president is voted by some obscure system as well |
| 20:10.47 | alestane | The impracticality of a nationwide popular vote in an era where communication was largely horse-driven; |
| 20:10.47 | nevcairiel | but then, the real power is with the chancelor and the ruling party, not the president |
| 20:10.48 | Kalroth | Lunessa: So why didn't US learn from those bad things then? Why do you have to repeat them? |
| 20:11.10 | alestane | and the distrust by the authors of the constitution of the unwashed masses. |
| 20:11.27 | theorbtwo | alestane: The second really has much more to do with it then the first. |
| 20:12.09 | nevcairiel | the second is also pretty much true |
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| 20:12.13 | alestane | Like pretty much every other people, the US is generally too preoccupied with its own infighting to pay any real attention to the rest of the world. |
| 20:12.14 | nevcairiel | don't trust the masses |
| 20:12.35 | theorbtwo | It's not any more impratical to do the vote in each state and figure out which electors go then to send the numbers along. In fact, it's a lot more pratical to just send a sheet of paper with some numbers on it. |
| 20:12.46 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: eh, we're too preoccupied fighting our selves to pay attention to even ourselves these days. |
| 20:12.48 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: media* :) |
| 20:12.50 | Lunessa | Kalroth: Our laws may not be your laws, but in many ways living here is better than living there. And our system depends on the systems that prevent many evils committed by earlier nations. If this were not true, then why do millions of people come here annually? No, you're mad because gays are treated differently here so everything else MUST be bad. Your argument is flawed. |
| 20:13.07 | cog|work | 13:12 < nevcairiel> don't trust the masses |
| 20:13.09 | cog|work | http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25331/ |
| 20:13.15 | Kalroth | Lunessa: "living here is better than living there" -- and you call me a douche? :) |
| 20:13.27 | Fisker | halp me cog|work |
| 20:13.30 | Fisker | my server doesn't work |
| 20:13.53 | cog|work | you silly people and your evolved predisposition to in-group/out-group quarrels |
| 20:13.57 | Lunessa | Kalroth: Yeah, and I'd call you a douche to your face when you act like one. |
| 20:14.09 | Kalroth | Lunessa: Well right back at you. :) |
| 20:14.12 | cog|work | lern2relativism |
| 20:14.14 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 20:14.14 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:14.14 | Fisker | help |
| 20:14.18 | alestane | Also, as much as I loathe the fact that we can't agree on a reasonable treatment of homosexuals and household formation in general, it's simply not a good idea to claim that the people who oppose it should be disenfranchised in order to reach the "solution" the rest of us consider suitable. |
| 20:14.31 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: everyone, everything, and everywhere sucks. :P |
| 20:15.10 | Kalroth | alestane: Well start with seperating religion and government, most of the modern civilization learned that by now - it will take a while, but it's well worth it. |
| 20:15.19 | alestane | And we do. |
| 20:15.20 | Lunessa | alestane: I concur. You can't tell large masses of people that they can't have a say just because another mass of people don't like what they have to say. |
| 20:15.32 | Gnarfoz | it's called secularisation, and the pope is against it! :D |
| 20:15.49 | nevcairiel | of course he is |
| 20:15.54 | nevcairiel | but who cares what he thinks |
| 20:15.55 | Fisker | h |
| 20:15.56 | Fisker | e |
| 20:15.57 | Fisker | l |
| 20:15.58 | Fisker | p |
| 20:15.59 | alestane | However, we don't separate religion from voting, because you can't regulate how people arrive at their opinions. |
| 20:16.05 | Gnarfoz | no, not "of course" - look up laicism, nevcairiel |
| 20:16.06 | Lunessa | At one time, the entire western world? |
| 20:16.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Kalroth: the separation of church and state is one of the basics of our government, actually. |
| 20:16.19 | cog|work | Kalroth: many people believe that the constitutional guarantee of church-state separation has actually encouraged the growth of fundamentalism |
| 20:16.30 | cog|work | some of the most secular countries have a state religion |
| 20:16.46 | Kalroth | alestane: Yeah, that is entirely different issue, when people vote by their beliefs rather than using logic |
| 20:16.59 | Kalroth | cog|work: err, what |
| 20:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: that's interesting, i hadn't really heard that |
| 20:17.03 | alestane | People vote according to theirvalues. |
| 20:17.14 | Fisker | i need to be put down |
| 20:17.19 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: i dont suppose you have links to literature about that? |
| 20:17.33 | Gnarfoz | alestane: as if every voter knew the values of the candidates he could be voting for... |
| 20:17.35 | Kalroth | alestane: No, people vote on what currently bothers them |
| 20:17.41 | Lunessa | To be honest, the British, Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish and French empires taught us well what having a state religion was like. |
| 20:17.49 | alestane | Exactly, their values. |
| 20:17.59 | alestane | They vote based on what they think is important. |
| 20:17.59 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: i've heard lots of people mention it in various atheist/skeptic podcasts i listen to... i'll see what i can google... |
| 20:18.02 | Kalroth | alestane: No, notice my use of "currently" :) |
| 20:18.17 | Gnarfoz | alestane: same thing, do you think they know who to vote for based on that? |
| 20:18.22 | alestane | But what people think is important is rarely what we would call "rational." |
| 20:18.23 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: well, i can google too, i was just wondering if you had particular sources you knew of, but thanks :) |
| 20:18.38 | cog|work | Kalroth: NightHawkTheSane: the basic premise is that with a state-sponsored church, the religion has to be watered down to appeal to the least common denominator |
| 20:18.45 | Kalroth | alestane: But mainly they vote for the person they can identify most with |
| 20:18.56 | cog|work | and since it's the religion with the lowest barrier to entry, people simply don't bother with more hard-core religions |
| 20:18.56 | alestane | Their voting can show "unintelligent" behavior because of a number of fallacies. |
| 20:19.08 | Lunessa | Most every nation in our global history has had domination or revolution inspired by or wrought by religious difference. |
| 20:19.18 | cog|work | whereas in the US, the freedom of religion has elevated it above criticism in the broader culture |
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| 20:19.42 | Kalroth | cog|work: Oh, well that is to be expected, when there are less religious people are, the remaining nutters get more concentrated and more nutty :) |
| 20:19.44 | alestane | They may not clearly understand what the actual effects of politicians' proposed actions will be (frequently, neither do the politicians). |
| 20:19.53 | Kalroth | -are |
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| 20:20.38 | alestane | They may believe that a politician is more likely to support their values based on how similar he seems to them, often without even being certain what their values are. |
| 20:20.43 | Lunessa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintended_consequences |
| 20:20.47 | Kalroth | alestane: Yes, exactly |
| 20:21.03 | cog|work | this is why "get out and vote" campaigns piss me off |
| 20:21.13 | alestane | Or they may subscribe to multiple contradictory values, without ever having resolved their inconsistencies. |
| 20:21.16 | cog|work | i don't want people out there voting for the sake of voting if they really don't care one way or another |
| 20:21.23 | Kalroth | alestane: If you have to pick between two politicians; one says he believes in god, other says he doesn't, and you're a believer yourself, who are you going to vote for? |
| 20:21.35 | cog|work | and usually the people saying "get out and vote" have a particular agenda behind their message (on both sides) |
| 20:21.55 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: everyone has an agenda. |
| 20:22.07 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: indeed. |
| 20:22.19 | cog|work | I'd rather people vote for their own agenda rather than being lapdogs... |
| 20:22.37 | alestane | There was at least one case a few years ago, cog|work, where one organization was encouraging people to fill out absentee ballots or something of the sort, and quietly mislaying the ballots that voted Democratic. |
| 20:22.37 | Kalroth | It'd be a rather selfish world then :) |
| 20:23.39 | Lunessa | Kalroth: I have news... it IS a selfish world. |
| 20:23.41 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* so would i. But it's not like you can just make people care about investigating the issues |
| 20:23.42 | alestane | There's a popular argument that if everyone were acting in their own long-term self-interest, everything would be fine. |
| 20:24.01 | Kalroth | Lunessa: Maybe where you live, but it's fine here in commy country :P |
| 20:24.12 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: hence my gripe with the "get out and vote" campaigns themselves. |
| 20:24.23 | cog|work | let me be blissful in others' ignorance |
| 20:24.26 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: so i'm kind of torn between disliking gotv movements for the same reasons you do, and realizing that if you can at least get people voting, that may be the first step to getting them to care. |
| 20:24.35 | Lunessa | Yeah? And are you working, right now to put a roof over someone else's head or feed someone else's belly? |
| 20:24.53 | NightHawkTheSane | of course, it all comes back to the near comical failure of media to basically be sensationalist propoganda outlets that don't actually inform people. |
| 20:25.02 | cog|work | ^ |
| 20:25.04 | Kalroth | Lunessa: I pay over 50% of my monthly salary in taxes, so you bet I am. |
| 20:25.26 | Lunessa | Kalroth: By personal choice, or because you're used to doing it? |
| 20:25.51 | Kalroth | Lunessa: Well I still live here, don't I? (and yes, I have had job offers in other countries) |
| 20:26.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i'd be okay with that myself, honestly. |
| 20:26.31 | Lunessa | I'm just asking... have you really thought about it and decided you're perfectly ok with it and it doesn't rankle in some fashion? |
| 20:26.47 | Kalroth | We got 45-60% salary taxes, 25% sales tax and 180% car taxes here |
| 20:26.48 | Lunessa | And I've paid literally millions in taxes myself. |
| 20:27.06 | cog|work | you .commie |
| 20:27.10 | Kalroth | Indeed |
| 20:27.19 | Lunessa | Or would you, like I suspect, prefer to keep more of it for yourself? |
| 20:27.30 | Kalroth | I already get more than I can spend, Lunessa |
| 20:27.32 | cog|work | (the dot was intentional) |
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| 20:27.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: why are the two mutually exclusive? |
| 20:28.04 | Lunessa | cog|work: Indeed, I was. :P my 1999 and 2000 tax forms still make me cry. |
| 20:28.06 | Kalroth | I donate to random charities a few times a year and no, that is NOT tax deductable here |
| 20:28.19 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: They're not. I'm just pointing out that everyone has selfish motivation. |
| 20:28.26 | Kalroth | And I still manage to get by |
| 20:29.05 | Kalroth | Oh that is in the nature of existance, Lunessa. If you dig deep enough then everyone (without exeptions) is a selfish asshole :) |
| 20:29.27 | Kalroth | Even when you're helping others, you're still doing it for personal satisfaction |
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| 20:30.08 | Lunessa | My point being that it is, in fact, a selfish world. |
| 20:30.58 | Kalroth | Yes, it is - so why not treat your fellow beings a little better, rather than worrying too much about yourself. |
| 20:31.17 | Lunessa | Kalroth: You seem to assume that I treat my fellow beings poorly. |
| 20:31.54 | cog|work | Kalroth: being forced to pay taxes isn't synonymous with being kind to fellow beings |
| 20:32.05 | Kalroth | cog|work: Nope, not at all |
| 20:32.34 | Kalroth | cog|work: But saying "*shrug* laws move slowly" rather than doing something active isn't being kind to fellow beings either. :) |
| 20:32.47 | cog|work | wait we're back to that now? |
| 20:32.48 | cog|work | >< |
| 20:32.53 | Lunessa | Yeah, I'm not at all for a central governing body being endowed with the power to tell me how much of my earnings I will give to others. |
| 20:32.54 | Kalroth | Did we ever leave it! |
| 20:33.48 | Kalroth | Lunessa: Yet you don't mind that central governing body being endowed with the power to decide who can marry and who can't. :) |
| 20:34.04 | Lunessa | Kalroth: in large parts of the world, homosexuality was a crime until fairly recently. Things change because people work for those changes. |
| 20:34.13 | cog|work | i don't think the central body should have ANYTHING to say about marriage |
| 20:34.22 | cog|work | domestic partnerships for tax purposes, fine |
| 20:34.41 | cog|work | leave it up to the people performing the ceremony to call it whatever they want |
| 20:34.52 | Kalroth | Lunessa: Sure, it still is some places, that doesn't make it more right. |
| 20:34.53 | Lunessa | Kalroth: Actually, no. I'm not. I'm just aware that change is slow. |
| 20:35.03 | Kalroth | Why is it slow though? |
| 20:35.12 | Lunessa | And I don't call people horrid because change is slow. |
| 20:35.17 | Lunessa | Because not everyone agrees. |
| 20:35.23 | alestane | I wouldn't say "don't mind", Kalroth, but one can either assume that change is presently in progress, or one can riot and deal with the attendant consequences. |
| 20:35.26 | Lunessa | And I can't shoot them all dead. |
| 20:35.42 | Kalroth | You don't have to shoot anyone, although I know you want to :P |
| 20:35.53 | alestane | Democracy: Not the rule of the majority, but the rule of the stubbornest. |
| 20:36.04 | Lunessa | Kalroth: I have a list. :P |
| 20:36.35 | alestane | The bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes? |
| 20:36.55 | Kalroth | I guess I'm just surprised of something as simple as letting people live how they want to, is so hard for a country with the history of USA |
| 20:36.59 | Lunessa | Dictatorships are a very efficient means of producing new law, and even if the laws are humane and just, it's still a crappy system to live under. |
| 20:37.33 | alestane | The US system is actually deliberately designed to be inefficient at implementing change. |
| 20:37.37 | cog|work | ^ |
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| 20:37.46 | alestane | Precisely to prevent anyone from easily hijacking it. |
| 20:37.47 | cog|work | and for the better, imo |
| 20:38.08 | cog|work | if there's something we all agree to move forward with, it happens |
| 20:38.13 | alestane | The system is designed to require something approaching consensus. |
| 20:38.19 | Lunessa | Kalroth: We had to fight each other over whether or not people could own each other. That was only a little over a century ago. Change takes time. Sometimes it takes violence. *shrug* |
| 20:38.21 | cog|work | otherwise, i'm glad we err on the side of caution |
| 20:38.41 | alestane | And when the culture becomes as divisive as it has, well, that gets very hard. |
| 20:38.52 | Lunessa | But the system we have diffuses violence and makes change happen slowly. |
| 20:39.19 | Kalroth | I guess so, it just seems weird not to change something that is so obviously wrong |
| 20:39.30 | alestane | To you. |
| 20:39.34 | Lunessa | It's not perfect, but it's not villainous either. |
| 20:39.35 | Kalroth | Yes, to me |
| 20:39.47 | alestane | It's obviously correct to a large percentage of our population. |
| 20:39.49 | cog|work | !g myopia |
| 20:39.49 | batbot | cog|work: Myopia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myopia> |
| 20:39.50 | Kalroth | And to most normal and intelligent people as well :) |
| 20:39.53 | alestane | They get to be part of the discussion. |
| 20:40.06 | cog|work | Kalroth: intelligence isn't normal |
| 20:40.15 | Lunessa | Kalroth: And that's the point - it didn't always seem wrong. When a majority of these laws were enacted, the opposite was true. |
| 20:40.18 | Kalroth | cog|work: To you. :) |
| 20:41.02 | Lunessa | Changing them takes time. It happens. Each change is a landmark. But they come slowly. |
| 20:41.04 | Kalroth | Lunessa: Yes, I realize that, but things change. |
| 20:41.04 | cog|work | what does that even mean? |
| 20:41.16 | alestane | What it seems like you're asking is, "Why is it so hard for these people to accept that this issue is No Big Deal." |
| 20:41.27 | Kalroth | I mean, today it's okay for african-americans to sit in front of the bus, isn't it? |
| 20:41.45 | cog|work | Kalroth: yes, but that doesn't mean there isn't still racism |
| 20:41.58 | cog|work | i'm sure there are lots of people who want to go back to the old times |
| 20:42.00 | Kalroth | cog|work: Sure, you said it yourself; there are still dumb people around. :) |
| 20:42.15 | alestane | After over half a century of struggle...and if you think that means people view each other without regarding race, well, that's not even true in the north. |
| 20:42.21 | cog|work | and look how long it took for them to claim that right |
| 20:42.24 | Kalroth | alestane: No I mean, if you had a law that was outright wrong, why not change/fix it. |
| 20:42.36 | alestane | Define "outright wrong." |
| 20:42.50 | Kalroth | "Gay/lesbians aren't allowed to marry" |
| 20:42.50 | alestane | That is exactly what the nation cannot agree on. |
| 20:43.33 | alestane | And many people on both sides of the fence are actively involved in the legislative process. |
| 20:43.40 | Lunessa | alestane: It's not true anywhere in the world. I mean, how many euros still look down on "gypsy" peoples? Or hutus hate tutsi? |
| 20:44.08 | Kalroth | Well do it like this then: make a census where you ask what everyone thinks and take away voting rights from those that oppose gay marriage. -- I think you'll wake up to a smarter and better in 2-3 elections! |
| 20:44.21 | Lunessa | Kalroth: Exactly wrong. |
| 20:44.24 | cog|work | yes we will. that doesn't mean it's a good idea |
| 20:44.34 | alestane | But you cannot legitimately disenfranchise people based on their opinions. |
| 20:44.42 | Lunessa | Our nation is designed to prevent the disenfranchisement of citizens because we disagree. |
| 20:44.54 | Kalroth | alestane: But its okay to do that on their sexual preferences obviously. :) |
| 20:44.55 | cog|work | alestane: until they try to back up their opinions with arguments and "facts" anyway |
| 20:45.03 | alestane | Because your own opinions are ultimately based on values just as arbitrary as theirs. |
| 20:45.40 | Kalroth | I wasn't being serious above btw, of course we can't seperate the dumbs from everyone else |
| 20:45.49 | Kalroth | We gotta live together |
| 20:46.12 | cog|work | and living together often means having to put up with shit until we can change minds |
| 20:46.18 | cog|work | changing minds takes time |
| 20:46.33 | alestane | It often requires waiting for generations to turn over, cog. |
| 20:46.36 | Kalroth | You don't change minds, you wait until they have been replaced by a new generation |
| 20:46.41 | Kalroth | hi5's alestane |
| 20:46.46 | cog|work | many people have to die of old age before some things change |
| 20:46.58 | alestane | There's an anecdote about the signing of the Declaration of Independence, that after the document was signed there was a profound and solemn silence. |
| 20:47.12 | Kalroth | Then someone farted?! |
| 20:47.28 | alestane | It was broken by Benjamin Franklin, who observed that "Now, gentlemen, we must all hang together, or we will most assuredly hang separately." |
| 20:47.58 | Kalroth | I'm sure he meant the Brits though, not the homosexuals :P |
| 20:48.44 | cog|work | i think an individual's voting power should change over the course of their life. Why should people nearing their deathbeds have any say over how the people in their twenties will be living over the next decade? |
| 20:49.13 | Kalroth | cog|work: That is actually a semi-good idea |
| 20:49.15 | alestane | Probably, Kalroth. In the 18th century, homosexual acts were widely regarded as "crimes against nature." |
| 20:49.59 | Kalroth | alestane: Only to the overly religious people, it was common everywhere else |
| 20:50.01 | Gnarfoz | even today, they are. just not *as widely* anymore. |
| 20:50.17 | alestane | Because they care about the world their descendants will inhabit, cog, and because they've seen quite a few people go through the same bullshit before. |
| 20:50.24 | Gnarfoz | some country even re-outlawed homosexuality in ~2003, amazing |
| 20:51.03 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz: Sure, most of those places aren't very democratic though |
| 20:51.06 | Lunessa | cog|work: That was a large theme in several novels "Logan's Run" and David Brin's "Earth" |
| 20:51.08 | cog|work | alestane: yeah, i don't "really" think it, it's just something that has occurred to me once in a while. I highly doubt that represents the majority though |
| 20:51.38 | cog|work | s/doubt that represents/doubt that those kind of people represent/ |
| 20:51.42 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth: I wish my country was democratic |
| 20:51.53 | Kalroth | Hell, people once thought that homosexuality was a mental illness |
| 20:51.59 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: More so than Germany already is? |
| 20:52.00 | alestane | The practice of homosexuality has pretty much always been more common than its acceptance, Kalroth. |
| 20:52.16 | alestane | Often highly intelligent people, Kalroth. |
| 20:52.20 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: Germany, democratic? I must stifle a sad laugh. :\ |
| 20:52.33 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: *chuckle* |
| 20:52.44 | alestane | One book I had to scan for Google had a woodcut of John Calvin in the flyleaf. |
| 20:52.48 | Kalroth | alestane: I'm pretty sure intelligence doesn't relate to sexual preferences, but I may be wrong :p |
| 20:52.56 | nicoli_s | man theres alot of non wow chatter today |
| 20:53.03 | malreth | http://www.martiankittens.com/ |
| 20:53.28 | Kalroth | malreth: thats so gaaay |
| 20:53.53 | Gnarfoz | it's a republic, yes, but democratic? if that really is the case, than the "demos" is mind-bogglingly stupid. :\ |
| 20:54.07 | alestane | Its [crafter] well those passions read which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless thing. |
| 20:54.20 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: we should simply be able to vote for your president! |
| 20:54.24 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz: Everything is relative, you're probably more democratic than most countries, but there are also other places where they are better off |
| 20:54.30 | alestane | The picture showed an astonishingly animated, perceptive person. |
| 20:54.42 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: huh? you mean "our", right? :) |
| 20:55.00 | nevcairiel | He is not my president |
| 20:55.03 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 20:55.05 | nevcairiel | maybe germanys, but i dont want him |
| 20:55.13 | Kalroth | nev is a swissy?! |
| 20:55.19 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 20:55.29 | nevcairiel | But i can still reject a president, can't i? =P |
| 20:55.51 | alestane | Calvin still leaves me with the impression that he was a brilliant, capable man, but since he built the fruits of his logic on the axioms of Biblical truth, he also went down as an astonishingly heartless one. |
| 20:55.52 | Kalroth | You're a Bavarian aren't you |
| 20:55.55 | Gnarfoz | sure can, he's still your president - that's how it works |
| 20:56.24 | nevcairiel | If the people had voted, he wouldn't have won |
| 20:56.45 | Gnarfoz | obviously |
| 20:56.58 | Gnarfoz | kind of the reason for my comment, actually ;p |
| 20:58.23 | nevcairiel | stupid leftys should've done the right thing |
| 20:58.35 | nevcairiel | would've probably killed the government |
| 20:58.44 | Lunessa | alestane: Many scientists, philosophers and statesmen of the past have struck me much the same way. Admirable men, who hewed to standards that today are not held like they were then, come off much differently. |
| 20:58.53 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: You need a new dictator to clean the country up! |
| 20:59.16 | alestane | Most of my issues with Christians have stemmed from that...when someone asserts that every word of the Bible must be regarded as the literally true divine instruction of God. |
| 20:59.17 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth: someone other than an Austrian this time, please |
| 20:59.34 | Kalroth | alestane: That isn't limited to Christians though |
| 20:59.38 | alestane | I know many Christians who don't, and they're mostly excellent people. |
| 20:59.48 | NightHawkTheSane | change of topic! MASTURBATION! http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=one-reason-why-humans-are-special-a-2010-06-22 |
| 20:59.56 | NightHawkTheSane | (sfw) |
| 21:00.11 | Kalroth | NightHawkTheSane: You'll go blind and get furry hands |
| 21:00.14 | alestane | But you can't interpret the book of Revelation literally and hang onto your mental consistency. |
| 21:00.22 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 21:00.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Kalroth: check out the article, its kind of interesting actually |
| 21:00.51 | alestane | Actually, Kalroth, according to that, he'll be more fertile and have a more active sex life. |
| 21:01.03 | Kalroth | alestane: Well it is simply another thing that is slow at changing, basing your beliefs blindly on a 2000 year old book seems extremely odd to me |
| 21:01.08 | Dagmar | Yeah, some of the people in the town I grew up were the type that if they went to a restaurant, and the lunch special on the register rang up as $6.66, they would refuse to pay |
| 21:01.23 | Dagmar | They thought it would mean Satan was buying them lunch or something. |
| 21:01.27 | nevcairiel | I'm sure they planned for that |
| 21:01.35 | Kalroth | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, it's good timing too, Fisker is wanking in the back! |
| 21:01.37 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: i dont think the latter is a cause->effect relationship. merely a correlation. |
| 21:01.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Kalroth: no, you have that confused, fisker IS a wanker. |
| 21:02.00 | Kalroth | Oh right, my bad |
| 21:02.22 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Actually they'd pay. They'd just make me change the order so the total wouldn't be evil. |
| 21:02.28 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: apparently that person has never heard of bonobos |
| 21:02.31 | alestane | Much of that book is younger than that or has been revised more recently anyway. I think it's blindingly obvious (others disagree) that any book is going to be more the work of men than of God(s). |
| 21:03.07 | Kalroth | Man, where is that quote of the dude getting kicked out of a bookstore because he moved all the bibles to the fiction area. :) |
| 21:03.21 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: did you know that masturbation was the primary reason circumcision took off in the US? |
| 21:03.36 | Kalroth | cog|work: No way, Europeans are bigger wankers than Americans. |
| 21:03.46 | alestane | Exactly. |
| 21:03.49 | Dagmar | Keep in mind which country invented the interporns |
| 21:03.50 | Kalroth | And we don't commonly snip the little fella here. |
| 21:03.57 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: indeed. |
| 21:04.07 | Kalroth | Dagmar: Keep in mind which country let porno loose first! |
| 21:04.14 | Dagmar | That would still be the US |
| 21:04.18 | Kalroth | .. |
| 21:04.27 | Gnarfoz | that's what USians would think |
| 21:04.28 | Dagmar | ...at least as far as video recording is concerned. |
| 21:04.34 | Dagmar | I think India has a lock on printed porno. |
| 21:04.36 | Kalroth | .. |
| 21:04.46 | Dagmar | Kinda hard to beat the publication rates on the Kama Sutra |
| 21:04.50 | Kalroth | Dagmar: You need to read up on history outside your own country. :p |
| 21:04.52 | alestane | There was a commonly promulgated belief that masturbation being so "harmful" to the practitioner, many extreme measures were appropriate to help stem its "compulsive" practice. |
| 21:05.05 | Dagmar | Kalroth: I know the US was the first country to make a movie with a gratuitous topless shot |
| 21:05.17 | Dagmar | A silent film, and utterly scandalous at that. |
| 21:05.27 | Gnarfoz | the US makes movies now? I thought it was a country |
| 21:05.36 | Kalroth | haha |
| 21:05.42 | cbreak | it's called "Propaganda" |
| 21:05.42 | Kalroth | slaps Gnarfoz. |
| 21:05.45 | Lunessa | "If only the parents of teenage boys had these findings available for the first hundred thousand years of our history, think of all the anxiety, guilt and shame that might never have been." |
| 21:06.14 | Gnarfoz | granted, politics most of the time come off like bad comedy... |
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| 21:06.21 | alestane | Mssrs. Graham and Kellogg were both huge proponents of anti-masturbation doctrine...both the famous crackers and corn flakes were originally tailored to (supposedly) reduce or suppress unwanted excess of sex drive. |
| 21:06.24 | cog|work | The Sears catalog used to sell anti-masturbation equipment for parents to use on their children |
| 21:06.38 | Dagmar | Kalroth: You could stand to take that chip off your shoulder about people from the US |
| 21:06.45 | Kalroth | Dagmar: For your information; "Denmark was the first country in the world to legalize pornography." |
| 21:06.54 | cog|work | stuff that would fit right in in a BDSM store today |
| 21:06.57 | Dagmar | Kalroth: Legaliziation is one thing. Making it is another. |
| 21:07.03 | Kalroth | >< |
| 21:07.24 | alestane | One of them, I forget who, recommended sewing the foreskin shut with silver wire to prevent male masturbation. If that failed, he encouraged circumcision without anaesthetic. |
| 21:07.26 | Kalroth | Yes, it is really fucking hard to make porno, go your country! |
| 21:07.32 | Kalroth | (pun intended) |
| 21:07.41 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: you could stand stopping to make everything about which "country" did X first, when it is people who do things, not countries ;P |
| 21:08.01 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: I could also stand to give less of a shit what people think about the US or not |
| 21:08.05 | Dagmar | ...but that would require work. |
| 21:08.20 | Dagmar | ...and most days I'm hard-pressed to admit to being human, let alone being a part of most of you lot. |
| 21:08.23 | malreth | WHY IS GNU MAKE SO DUMB? |
| 21:08.23 | Kalroth | Dagmar: Thats also what the Iranians is saying. :) |
| 21:08.31 | Kalroth | are* |
| 21:08.42 | malreth | IT MUST HAVE BEEN MADE BY HUMANS WHO ARE ALSO DUMB |
| 21:08.44 | Dagmar | The iranian gov't is insane |
| 21:08.52 | Kalroth | <Dagmar> The american gov't is insane |
| 21:08.56 | Kalroth | fixed that for you |
| 21:09.29 | alestane | I don't know if the Kama Sutra counts as pornography, Dagmar, it's nominally a technical manual. |
| 21:09.31 | Dagmar | Gee. Nationalist much? |
| 21:09.41 | Dagmar | alestane: "Aspirational guide". :) |
| 21:09.51 | Dagmar | Kalroth: Nationalist bullshit is unproductive, man |
| 21:09.55 | Kalroth | Dagmar: You just said the iranian government is insane, but when I do it, I'm a nationalist? |
| 21:10.29 | Dagmar | You started name-calling on "the Iranians" |
| 21:10.32 | Gnarfoz | nationalism doesn't mean what you seem to think it means |
| 21:10.34 | Dagmar | I figured I'd at least correct you. |
| 21:11.01 | Kalroth | And I figured I'd at least update you. |
| 21:11.02 | alestane | "Mr. Raven describes sex as 'an overrated sensation lasting a bare ten seconds,' and then goes on to wonder why anyone bothers to translate the erotic textbooks of medieval India...perhaps one reason for doing so is that so many people in this country still consider sex to be an overrated sensation lasting a bare ten seconds; may I assure Mr. Raven that the performance he attended was not of concert standard." |
| 21:11.34 | Dagmar | Kalroth: So get over yourself already |
| 21:12.00 | Kalroth | Dagmar: Says Mr America. |
| 21:12.02 | Dagmar | Calling people this, that or the other, based on where they live, is at best fallacious |
| 21:12.23 | malreth | my iphone is better than your HTC EVO or more like HTC LAMO or whatever |
| 21:12.34 | Kalroth | Dagmar: Yeah, it's almost as bad as not letting gays marry! |
| 21:13.00 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: yeah, well my mom is better than your iphone |
| 21:13.07 | malreth | NightHawkTheSane: she was |
| 21:13.36 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/06/30/funny-pictures-you-go-to-bed/ |
| 21:17.35 | Lunessa | Kalroth: Stopp trolling already. |
| 21:18.10 | Kalroth | Lunessa: Well you wouldn't accept logic anyways, what else am I to do?! |
| 21:18.25 | Lunessa | ^ classic trolling. |
| 21:18.45 | malreth | come on you two... enough already |
| 21:20.12 | Kalroth | I thought I was obvious enough, malreth, but he's an American so .. :P |
| 21:20.33 | malreth | Kalroth: that'll be enough of you |
| 21:21.18 | Dagmar | Kalroth: Okay. Time for me to stop being polite, which means I'll now be saying "Drop the racism, dude." |
| 21:21.40 | Dagmar | These are internets. Here there's only internet users, and people who suck. |
| 21:21.43 | Kalroth | Oi, how come he gets to reply while it is enough of me?! |
| 21:21.50 | Gnarfoz | racism? lol |
| 21:22.09 | Dagmar | No need to bring "the real world"'s problems here, too |
| 21:22.24 | Gnarfoz | you don't decide the topics of conversation |
| 21:22.29 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz: It is legal for gays to marry here, but I'm the racist! |
| 21:22.40 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth: I'm not sure which "race" he was referring to, anyway |
| 21:23.14 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Just finished the article. Interesting. |
| 21:23.28 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz: Who says I'm any race, maybe I'm a trolling internet bot, just waiting to lure innocent and defenseless Americans into a dumb argument! |
| 21:24.01 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth: my point was: nobody was "being racist". |
| 21:24.25 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz: That's easy for you to say! |
| 21:24.39 | malreth | no, but there were definitely some personal bashing going on there |
| 21:24.41 | Gnarfoz | indeed, as I wield the mighty power of reading comprehension |
| 21:25.06 | Lunessa | malreth: I'll cop to calling him a douche. :P |
| 21:25.22 | malreth | there you go... very good |
| 21:25.26 | Gnarfoz | you thingist! |
| 21:25.47 | Gnarfoz | how dare you call people things :( |
| 21:26.02 | Gnarfoz | is that... objectivism? :D |
| 21:26.08 | Gnarfoz | or objectism. :( |
| 21:26.11 | malreth | can we get a hug here... from America to Denmark? I presume? you said 180% percent tax on cars, Kalroth |
| 21:26.18 | malreth | come on... big international hug |
| 21:26.29 | Gnarfoz | how can you pay more than 100% percent tax on anything |
| 21:26.41 | Gnarfoz | (the car would basically be free at that point, tehee) |
| 21:26.42 | Kalroth | I don't mind America, malreth :) |
| 21:26.48 | malreth | Gnarfoz: it works pretty much exactly how the math says it would |
| 21:27.03 | malreth | we know you don't... come on... biiiig hug |
| 21:27.06 | Gnarfoz | malreth: prices include taxes, you know |
| 21:27.15 | malreth | Lopepeppy, too... oh, she's not here |
| 21:27.18 | Kalroth | http://www.skovgaard.org/europe/denmark.htm#tax |
| 21:27.20 | Kalroth | "Car registration tax of 180% of the car and the VAT (the first 45.000 kr. (6,000 â¬) are taxed "only" at 90%, and there are deductions for some safety equipment). Note that this includes a "tax tax" because the registration tax is also calculated on the VAT. " |
| 21:28.00 | Gnarfoz | "180% of the car" - so you have to "pay" 1.8 cars (not money)? |
| 21:28.08 | Kalroth | .. :p |
| 21:28.16 | Gnarfoz | bad translation time |
| 21:28.16 | malreth | Gnarfoz: ever wonder why they ride so many bikes? |
| 21:28.18 | Kalroth | See, that is proper trolling, Fisker would be proud |
| 21:28.35 | alestane | The average family has 2.58 children. |
| 21:28.44 | Gnarfoz | malreth: who they now? I didn't know Denmark was a country of bikers |
| 21:28.49 | Kalroth | Gnarfoz: We actually have some of the cheapest cars in the world though -- too bad it is before taxes. :) |
| 21:29.02 | Gnarfoz | before taxes doesn't count~ |
| 21:29.35 | Gnarfoz | apropos cars, I need to find a used one. :P |
| 21:30.07 | alestane | "Besides, every family also has an average of 1.3 automobiles, and since I'm the only one who can drive three-tenths of a car, I get to use it all the time." |
| 21:30.23 | Kalroth | lol |
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| 21:33.03 | Lunessa | And.... for humor's sake: http://www.asofterworld.com/ |
| 21:33.31 | eidolarr | is Cladhaire ever on IRC? |
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| 21:33.46 | Gnarfoz | eidolarr: he's jnwhiteh |
| 21:34.08 | DJJeff | how do I view my bug tickets submited via curse client? |
| 21:34.27 | DJJeff | do they get sent to the authors themselves? |
| 21:34.46 | Gnarfoz | they go to the respective project's issue tracker |
| 21:34.56 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowace.com/addons/shadowed-unit-frames/tickets/ < like this |
| 21:34.58 | DJJeff | hrmmmmm |
| 21:35.06 | DJJeff | TY |
| 21:35.14 | Gnarfoz | (the client offers to take you to tickets you just created, btw) |
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| 21:35.28 | DJJeff | I would then need to check each addon I sent a ticket for |
| 21:35.50 | DJJeff | I sent the ticket a few days ago |
| 21:36.00 | DJJeff | hard to track them down |
| 21:36.00 | Gnarfoz | I think your own tickets show up on your profile page somewhere |
| 21:36.01 | Gnarfoz | http://www.wowace.com/home/tickets/ |
| 21:36.17 | Gnarfoz | not sure if that maybe is "tickets for projects you are a maintainer/author" |
| 21:36.28 | DJJeff | aha |
| 21:36.31 | DJJeff | that works |
| 21:36.34 | DJJeff | thanks :) |
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| 21:37.05 | malreth | oh yay... our networking team announces to the campus it list that there was "no measurable service interruption as a result of this update" with regards to the 802.1x certificate renewal... what fucknuts |
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| 21:37.30 | Kalroth | What did they break? |
| 21:37.45 | Gnarfoz | I'm guessing "everything" |
| 21:37.49 | malreth | the main flagship computer lab on the university campus |
| 21:38.29 | malreth | right as it was being used for summer orientation registration advising |
| 21:41.42 | nicoli_s | malreth:cant be any worse than my school, who sends emails to let you know the email is down |
| 21:42.01 | nicoli_s | and took 3+ weeks to move everyone over to the new email system, which while that was happening, those people couldnt get emails |
| 21:42.20 | malreth | oh.. people would be fired if that happened here |
| 21:42.54 | nicoli_s | heh, and its like on of the biggest state schools in georgia too |
| 21:43.40 | nicoli_s | they also originally planned the moveover 2 days before finals |
| 21:46.38 | malreth | yeah... fired and the entire IT department would be eliminated. |
| 21:46.59 | nicoli_s | yah the IT team at our school is mostly inept |
| 21:48.15 | nicoli_s | i say mostly cuz my stepdad works there too :P |
| 21:48.21 | nicoli_s | as did i for a whopping 2 days |
| 21:50.23 | kd3 | ~ping |
| 21:50.24 | purl | ~pong |
| 21:50.31 | kd3 | grrs at his uplink |
| 21:52.34 | cog|work | Ackis: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/07/01/climategates-death-rattle/ |
| 21:53.50 | malreth | meh... it'll just make the denialists even more vocal |
| 21:56.29 | cog|work | malreth: they don't need to be imo... it's not like the media is going to pick up the story that they were all just a bunch of hyperreactive dumbasses |
| 21:56.53 | cog|work | ("they" being the media) |
| 21:57.00 | cog|work | (err the 2nd they |
| 21:57.05 | malreth | of course not. there's no conflict in innocence so it'll never lead |
| 21:57.11 | cog|work | ~lart pronouns |
| 21:57.11 | purl | offers pronouns some herring |
| 21:57.13 | malreth | unless we make it bleed |
| 22:05.28 | malreth | http://harpers.org/archive/2010/07/hbc-90007333 |
| 22:10.15 | Dagmar | malreth: That's okay, no one with a brain takes the denialists seriously anyway. |
| 22:10.24 | Dagmar | Maybe someday we'll find a cure for whatever causes that |
| 22:11.08 | Hjalte | Any moonkins in here in cata beta? |
| 22:12.09 | malreth | packs up and goes home... |
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| 22:16.13 | Kraps | answers are only questions with funny hats |
| 22:16.27 | cog|work | Dagmar: it's not OK... half the people in this country are braindead |
| 22:16.40 | cog|work | (i.e. they listen to the denialists) |
| 22:17.06 | Maldivia | Hjalte: something on your mind? |
| 22:17.33 | Hjalte | Maldivia: I was just wondering how the new Eclipse talent works out. |
| 22:18.07 | Maldivia | Hjalte: here, check out Lissanna's post: http://www.restokin.com/cataclysm-druid-beta-info/moonkin-spells-and-eclipse/ |
| 22:18.18 | Hjalte | Maldivia: Cheers |
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| 22:23.25 | Maldivia | Hjalte: There's also https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25171927659&sid=2000 for a more detailed list of changes to various druid spells |
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| 22:29.50 | Thunder_Child | "Quality and credibility are paramount as only four in one hundred psychics who apply at CaliforniaPsychics.com® meet our strict criteria with regard to accuracy, caring nature and professional demeanor." hahahaha |
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| 22:42.11 | Lunessa | http://tfl.nu/5vdu - SO WRONG |
| 22:43.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: and yet you laughed so hard. |
| 22:44.08 | Lunessa | I'm STILL laughing |
| 22:44.17 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe :) |
| 22:44.34 | Lunessa | I totally should pull that joke sometime... |
| 22:48.46 | Maldivia | lol |
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| 22:58.57 | Lunessa | http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128170775 |
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| 23:08.07 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25626105998/cataclysm-beta-confirms-icc-gear-obsolete/ |
| 23:13.02 | NightHawkTheSane | http://blog.calbucci.com/2010/07/how-do-you-screw-up-your-email-i-just.html |
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| 23:14.20 | Kraps | Lunessa: no fucking way |
| 23:14.44 | Lunessa | Kraps: The atmospheric nukes? |
| 23:14.58 | Kraps | the previous link |
| 23:16.18 | Torhal | Steam is really pissing me off. |
| 23:16.22 | Maldivia | NightHawkTheSane: that should teach him to use a seperate account for his errors :P |
| 23:16.32 | Torhal | I was told that my Credit Card was Declined. |
| 23:16.40 | Torhal | So I waited, figuring it was server overload |
| 23:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | so, silly question. Let's say I'm randomly selecting a subset of objects (say, cards from a deck). Let's say I've got a rule that says "If X card is selected, we must force Y card to be selected". If we're only selecting 10 cards, and X is the 10th card to be selected (and Y has not been selected) what's a sane resolution to that? |
| 23:17.08 | Torhal | Several hours later, still declined. I called my bank. They said there wasn't anything showing for declined charges, nor should there be reason for it. |
| 23:17.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: indeed. ;) |
| 23:17.21 | Torhal | Fisker: Make them pay. |
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| 23:18.55 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: You can only have 10 items? Discard one of items that isn't X and ad the Y item |
| 23:20.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: *nod* thats what I'm thinking, my other thought was to consider the selection of X invalid, and select something else. |
| 23:20.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not sure which is better. |
| 23:21.24 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: is this a critical feature that Y must always accompany X or other things fail? |
| 23:28.38 | Lunessa | Must go. See you all tomorrow. |
| 23:28.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: well, yes and no. it's not a "catastrophic fail... dammit! |
| 23:29.55 | Wobin | woo |
| 23:30.00 | Wobin | my package is in Kentucky |
| 23:30.07 | Wobin | yaay. |
| 23:30.47 | Jerub | so any idea where i find a 'i just popped 80 and i'm a prot warrior' shopping list? |
| 23:30.53 | Jerub | heroic instances and craftables. |
| 23:31.33 | Wobin | ToC5 for the tanking sword |
| 23:31.47 | Wobin | CoS for shield |
| 23:32.09 | eidolarr | I have a button printing the x pixel where it's clicked, but when I click on the left side of the button, it appears to be about 60 pixels off of the pixel's GetLeft() |
| 23:32.14 | eidolarr | off to the left of it |
| 23:32.18 | eidolarr | why is that? |
| 23:32.58 | Jerub | Wobin: htoc5 or toc5? |
| 23:33.05 | Wobin | hm, not sure |
| 23:33.07 | Jerub | isn't there a better one in pos? |
| 23:33.11 | |Jelly| | Yeah |
| 23:33.13 | Wobin | normal ToC5 for the trinket |
| 23:33.17 | |Jelly| | PoS5 |
| 23:33.24 | |Jelly| | or rather HPoS |
| 23:33.26 | Wobin | yes, but without gear, you're not going to get in there |
| 23:33.35 | Wobin | and tanking it in blues? Not a great idea |
| 23:34.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: meh, jsut queue up for whatever randoms you can, take gear thats better than what you have, and buy shit with the badges you'll get |
| 23:34.10 | Wobin | the ToC5 tanking sword is your best bang for available effort |
| 23:34.21 | Wobin | but yeah |
| 23:34.25 | Wobin | basically badgegrind |
| 23:34.29 | Wobin | and get T9 |
| 23:34.31 | |Jelly| | *shrug* If you're a new 80, I'm sure every DPS is going to be tanking for you anyway considering people don't know how to lay off. |
| 23:34.47 | Gnarfoz | !api cameraspeed |
| 23:34.47 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'cameraspeed'. |
| 23:34.49 | Gnarfoz | !api camera |
| 23:34.50 | lua_bot | Found 11 possible results for 'camera': CommentatorSetCamera, CameraZoomOut, CommentatorGetCamera, FlipCameraYaw, CameraOrSelectOrMoveStart, CameraZoomIn, VehicleCameraZoomOut, CommentatorSetCameraCollision, CameraOrSelectOrMoveStop, Model:SetCamera, VehicleCameraZoomIn |
| 23:35.02 | Wobin | |Jelly|: there's a difference between dpstanking in Heroic gundrak, and dps tanking in heroic PoS |
| 23:35.05 | eidolarr | ugh what's worse is that the difference seems to be greater on the right than on the left |
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| 23:35.11 | Gnarfoz | can you smooth out or slow down manual camera movement? |
| 23:35.14 | Wobin | mostly being the healer going -wtf- and the dps going -splut- |
| 23:36.05 | Wobin | also, you won't see a fresh 80 in HPoS, because the lfd won't put them there as a tank |
| 23:36.10 | Wobin | most of the time |
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| 23:36.40 | smcn | is there a library for looking up class spells, specifically: level learned, rank, icon? |
| 23:36.44 | Jerub | i have 200+ badges on other toons |
| 23:36.57 | Jerub | so i can get the 245 craftables and was considering buying 264 craftables too |
| 23:37.07 | NightHawkTheSane | so do that? |
| 23:37.07 | Wobin | smcn: wowhead |
| 23:37.44 | smcn | Wobin: if you're not being sarcastic, i meant an addon library, and if you are being sarcastic, lulz :P |
| 23:38.04 | Jerub | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Dath%27Remar/Pham |
| 23:38.28 | Jerub | i have 28 triumph left, 2 more and i get 2T9 |
| 23:38.46 | Wobin | smcn: er, you asked for a library =P wowhead is a library |
| 23:38.53 | Jerub | but i need to figure out what i do in terms of T9 vs. triumph 245s vs. triumph craftables vs. frost craftables. |
| 23:39.04 | smcn | Wobin: fair enough :) |
| 23:39.14 | Wobin | next time specify =) |
| 23:46.10 | Kraps | http://www.fmylife.com/kids/11538596 |
| 23:49.17 | Tuller | while at the grocery store, I saw a headline for the inquirer, "AL GORE SEX ATTACK!" |
| 23:49.35 | Tuller | i simultaneously want to frame that, and create a new band |
| 23:51.08 | CodeRedLin | rofl |
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| 23:58.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Tuller: wbagnfarb |
