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| 00:28.00 | ScytheBlade1 | yay linode |
| 00:28.25 | Shadowed | Yea the change is quite nice |
| 00:28.42 | Shadowed | don't have as much reason to swap to another host now |
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| 00:36.18 | alestane | Heyo, Peppy. |
| 00:36.24 | alestane | What was is for dinner? |
| 00:38.43 | Thunder_Child | fail alestane, just fail |
| 00:38.55 | Thunder_Child | ~weather klax |
| 00:39.01 | alestane | Silly does not have to be fail. |
| 00:39.54 | Thunder_Child | thats silly? |
| 00:40.36 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, it was nice juicy clams. |
| 00:40.39 | alestane | It would be sillier if it had voice to go with it. |
| 00:40.50 | alestane | Clams can be tassty. |
| 00:41.18 | Lopeppeppy | so very tasty, after getting poisoned twice last week. |
| 00:41.42 | Thunder_Child | from clams? |
| 00:41.48 | alestane | You mean the stuff you could\n't eat after all? |
| 00:42.39 | alestane | Although I thought I saw you post something about teh Olive Garden, which surprised me...wouldn't have expected to see you there at the moment. |
| 00:42.42 | Lopeppeppy | I got sugared, and then there was dinner on Thursday night which got sent back twice and STILL came back contaminated on the third try. |
| 00:42.59 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't been to OG in a long time. You mean Macaroni Grill. |
| 00:43.31 | alestane | Could be. |
| 00:44.04 | alestane | Maybe I thought of the Garden because you met us there once. |
| 00:44.25 | Lopeppeppy | It's a nice place. Sometimes I can still eat there, if I don't mind skipping half of the meal. |
| 00:45.28 | alestane | That's what Kat has to do at most restaurants these days too. |
| 00:45.47 | Lopeppeppy | I like Chili's. I gave our waiter a 75% tip because he didn't poison me yesterday. |
| 00:47.10 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: what poisons you? |
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| 00:55.04 | Lopeppeppy | Jerub -- gluten, sugar, yeast, vinegar, nuts, dairy, and a few other things. |
| 00:55.43 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: my wife just got told by her doctor she's probaby caisin intolerant. we have it easy by comparison. |
| 00:55.51 | Jerub | i characterise her new diet as : Vegan + Steak |
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| 00:58.00 | Lopeppeppy | I have a girlfriend with celiac, she's starting to feel like she's got it good when she shops with me. Ugh. |
| 01:02.32 | Shirik | entering my exercise for today into my log |
| 01:02.40 | Shirik | So I type "running" and it offers several suggestions |
| 01:02.50 | Shirik | one of which is "religious activity - praise with dance or run, spiritual dancing in church" |
| 01:05.00 | Thunder_Child | in shakiras song gypsy one of the lines goes "I might steal your clothes and wear them if they fit me" and my first thought was 'huh, i didnt know Cairenn wrote songs' |
| 01:05.01 | Nechckn | For all of those times you are posessed by the spirit and share the Good News! |
| 01:05.45 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: what's a normal dinner for you? |
| 01:06.22 | Lopeppeppy | Protein object, vegetable object. Baked chicken and asparagus spears, maybe. Broiled steak and broccoli. |
| 01:07.20 | A-KO | Lopeppeppy: you just gave me an interesting idea on writing a cookbook in some fake C-like code for nerds.... |
| 01:07.35 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 01:08.32 | Lopeppeppy | There's an awesome one out there, http://www.whatthefuckshouldimakefordinner.com/index.php (NSFW language) |
| 01:09.21 | kd3 | nsfw... really? |
| 01:09.25 | kd3 | never would've guessed that |
| 01:09.27 | kd3 | ;) |
| 01:10.36 | Thunder_Child | (dont mind him kids, he's a little slow) |
| 01:10.59 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 01:11.16 | A-KO | they should add a I DON'T FUCKING EAT VEGGIES link |
| 01:11.42 | kd3 | oh, lmao |
| 01:11.51 | kd3 | and they do, on the veggie page |
| 01:12.01 | A-KO | oh |
| 01:12.27 | Jerub | A-KO: learn to like food |
| 01:14.39 | alestane | The usual response to that is that vegetables are not food... |
| 01:14.44 | Lopeppeppy | After a while, you get a page that says something like, "You don't fucking like anything, do you?" instead of giving you a recipe |
| 01:14.49 | alestane | ...vegetables are what food eats. |
| 01:14.50 | Lopeppeppy | Vegetables are what food eats. |
| 01:14.54 | alestane | Jeinx. |
| 01:14.58 | alestane | jinx |
| 01:16.42 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:16.43 | A-KO | great t-shirt |
| 01:16.45 | A-KO | I need to buy that |
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| 01:33.20 | Ivis | for the hord |
| 01:36.55 | Kraps | wuts hord |
| 01:37.12 | WobWork | dunno =\ |
| 01:37.31 | Ivis | i just made up |
| 01:41.02 | Kraps | "and all the members of the group will be rewarded with 2 x Emblem of Frost from the Satchet of Chilled Goods. " |
| 01:41.19 | Kraps | amg its teh casuals! |
| 01:41.24 | Ivis | used Frost Armor for 30 min |
| 01:41.36 | Ivis | offering duel to Kraps |
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| 01:42.27 | Jerub | Kraps: hm? |
| 01:42.55 | Kraps | Jerub: you get 2 x Emblem of Frost when doing ahune |
| 01:42.58 | Kraps | per day |
| 01:43.17 | Jerub | what's ahune? |
| 01:43.33 | Jerub | loads up wow news sites |
| 01:44.06 | Jerub | oh right, that |
| 01:44.20 | Jerub | Kraps: is ahune only available to 80s? |
| 01:44.28 | Kraps | dunno |
| 01:44.30 | Jerub | becaue my level 76 warrior would kick his ass |
| 01:44.48 | Kraps | orly |
| 01:44.55 | Jerub | yarly |
| 01:45.57 | WobWork | Jerub: yeah |
| 01:45.59 | WobWork | I think |
| 01:46.04 | WobWork | but you can lfd the group easy |
| 01:46.19 | WobWork | as in I don't think you need to be 80 to summon |
| 01:47.29 | Kraps | theres an item in the list to group for it http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/june/ahunelfd_small.jpg |
| 01:48.09 | Corrodias | why'd they call that "lfd"? |
| 01:48.21 | WobWork | looking for dungeon |
| 01:48.25 | Corrodias | wasn't "lfg" the universal way of saking for a group? |
| 01:48.30 | Corrodias | asking |
| 01:48.39 | WobWork | dungeon is more specific |
| 01:48.42 | Cairenn | yes, but if you're specifying a dungeon ... |
| 01:48.49 | WobWork | you might want a group for some -non- dungeon business! |
| 01:49.01 | Corrodias | you can't use the interface for non-dungeon activities, then? |
| 01:49.10 | kd3 | nope |
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| 01:49.11 | Iriel | It's for cross-server activities, so no |
| 01:49.18 | Thunder_Child | though what it really is, is lfi (looking for idiots) since thats usually what you get |
| 01:49.21 | Corrodias | ah. |
| 01:49.27 | kd3 | the old ui you could queue for group quests and such, but not any more |
| 01:49.31 | Iriel | Hey now, i use the LFD tool all the time |
| 01:49.42 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: LFM(orons) |
| 01:49.49 | Iriel | There's a fairly good percentage of non-idiots |
| 01:50.00 | Kraps | lfdunces |
| 01:50.06 | WobWork | muttermutterretpalliesrollingonwallofthedeadmuttermutter |
| 01:50.27 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: i use lfd all the time as well, but it doesnt change the facts |
| 01:50.36 | Jerub | WobWork: but i can't lfd it if it locks me out because i'm not 80 |
| 01:50.54 | Iriel | I'd say MOST of the people are competent |
| 01:51.02 | WobWork | Iriel: I'd say not |
| 01:51.20 | WobWork | Iriel: I'd say gearing has made skill moot in a lot of situations |
| 01:51.30 | WobWork | gear != competance |
| 01:51.32 | Jerub | twice in the last fortnight i've had responses like "does this look like we're doing 80 doing heroics, chill out i don't need to be perfect" |
| 01:51.34 | Iriel | Interesting, I wonder if your standards are high or your battlegroup has a very different demographic |
| 01:51.46 | Jerub | to requests like, "please use blizzard" or "please stop pulling for the tank" |
| 01:51.59 | WobWork | My standards are pretty high, I admit |
| 01:52.05 | Iriel | Im speaking for 80 heroics here, I was 80 before the tool arrived |
| 01:52.06 | WobWork | I like people to actually know how to play their class |
| 01:52.07 | Jerub | or, "please don't queue as tank without a tank spec" |
| 01:52.16 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 01:52.25 | Jerub | i have a very high threshold for incompetance, but there are lines. |
| 01:52.26 | WobWork | or please don't roll on tank items if you're not a goddamn tank |
| 01:52.31 | Jerub | WobWork: i'm meh about that |
| 01:52.42 | Jerub | WobWork: if you're atank, you'll have 5-6 more tries to get the item |
| 01:52.49 | WobWork | Especially if you're winning on items that are 1) upgrades to the tank |
| 01:52.50 | Jerub | i let anyone roll on anything |
| 01:52.54 | WobWork | and 2) you can't use yet |
| 01:53.01 | WobWork | Jerub: It was Wall of the Dead |
| 01:53.05 | WobWork | a rare world drop =( |
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| 01:53.10 | WobWork | and the goddamn ret pally won it |
| 01:53.24 | WobWork | and here I am, as a warrior, using a mp5 shield =( |
| 01:53.41 | Jerub | WobWork: i was using a shield from mana-tombs until i hit vh last night |
| 01:53.50 | Jerub | got the shield of X?????? |
| 01:54.05 | WobWork | eh? |
| 01:54.08 | WobWork | I'm level 50 =P |
| 01:54.22 | WobWork | in the barren 'shield, there are shields?' zone of gearing |
| 01:54.36 | WobWork | my next decent option is off a rare in BRD |
| 01:54.45 | WobWork | and then Lord Roccor at 55 |
| 01:55.01 | WobWork | although... I've only seen Lord Roccor a few times, so even he may be rare |
| 01:57.10 | Jerub | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/35642/?level=76&durability=100&skills=164:384,186:429, |
| 01:57.20 | Jerub | i had someone in my group say, "roll need on that shield, your shield is nasty" |
| 01:57.25 | Jerub | it made me feel sad. |
| 01:58.35 | WobWork | what was your shield? |
| 01:59.00 | Jerub | WobWork: mana tombs one... don't remember |
| 01:59.06 | Jerub | it got vendored :P |
| 01:59.31 | Jerub | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Dath%27Remar/Pham |
| 01:59.44 | WobWork | oh MT |
| 01:59.53 | WobWork | a few levels ago, eh? |
| 02:01.09 | Jerub | a few |
| 02:01.19 | Jerub | it feels like all of OL and NR was spell plate |
| 02:01.23 | Jerub | it wasn't, really, but ugh |
| 02:01.38 | Jerub | oohohohoh, i wanted to ask. |
| 02:01.45 | Jerub | what's a good HPS for the dreamwalker fight |
| 02:02.08 | Jerub | i joined a guild 10man run and i was thinking there was something wrong |
| 02:02.19 | WobWork | enough to win |
| 02:02.44 | Jerub | WobWork: as a druid healer i was hitting about 8khps, and topping the meters. |
| 02:02.49 | WobWork | We haven't done her yet... depends on how we go with PP |
| 02:02.56 | Jerub | WobWork: we gave up on PP :( |
| 02:03.03 | WobWork | and I'm a disc priest, so I'll be raidhealing =) |
| 02:03.25 | Jerub | WobWork: i was pulling 8 raiding healing as well as hots on dreamy |
| 02:03.33 | Jerub | and 8 while solo healing her |
| 02:03.38 | Jerub | and no one was within 2k of me :( |
| 02:03.50 | WobWork | well you'd want that 8k healing on dreamy |
| 02:03.52 | WobWork | not on the raid |
| 02:04.00 | Jerub | i got the feeling there was no way we'd get her down without seriously increasing our HPS |
| 02:04.37 | Jerub | i was on fire last night, never really healed that intensely before, but couldn't get it :/ |
| 02:05.19 | Shirik | FINALLY! |
| 02:05.27 | Shirik | A site that figures out the type of card after you type the number |
| 02:05.31 | Shirik | the way it should have been done YEARS ago |
| 02:05.48 | tekkub | I hate that |
| 02:05.53 | WobWork | Shirik: too much effort to both validate and figure out =) |
| 02:05.59 | Shirik | Amazon now apparently when you type the card number it shows the logo to right of it afterwards |
| 02:06.11 | WobWork | cause it means you have to validate before submitting |
| 02:06.19 | tekkub | or ones that don't checksum the card number when you enter it, only on submit (or worse, just let it decline) |
| 02:06.21 | kd3 | it's also not hard to do |
| 02:06.29 | WobWork | it's also easier to let it decline |
| 02:06.34 | kd3 | wrote a cc-checksum validator some time ago |
| 02:06.35 | eidolarr | I just watched Primer, serious WTF |
| 02:07.08 | Shirik | it's really not hard |
| 02:07.11 | Shirik | web programmers are just lazy |
| 02:07.16 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 02:07.16 | tekkub | ^ |
| 02:07.34 | Arrowmaster | and mostly incompetent |
| 02:07.34 | Jerub | eidolarr: :) |
| 02:07.40 | Jerub | eidolarr: it's awesome isn't it |
| 02:07.50 | tekkub | The ones I love are when you open up the form and the year dropdown starts at 03 |
| 02:07.53 | Jerub | eidolarr: read the wikipedia article, it helps understand it |
| 02:07.58 | tekkub | nice to see you've not updated your form in 7 years |
| 02:08.18 | WobWork | My CC expires next year |
| 02:09.09 | Shirik | someone please explain this to me |
| 02:09.18 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.21 | tekkub | majick |
| 02:09.24 | Iriel | Shirik: Actually there are two good reasons why many sites ask for the card and the type |
| 02:09.27 | Shirik | Shipping & Handling: $7.81 |
| 02:09.34 | Shirik | FREE Super Saver Shipping (5-8 business days) |
| 02:09.39 | Iriel | Sometimes it's due to a marketing relationship with the card issuers |
| 02:09.46 | Shirik | Shipping & Handling: $8.99 |
| 02:10.09 | tekkub | lern2amazon |
| 02:10.15 | WobWork | Shirik: well, all it says, is that you get the 'Super Saver' shipping for free |
| 02:10.21 | Shirik | I clicked it |
| 02:10.24 | Shirik | and then it raised the price |
| 02:10.25 | WobWork | The shipping costs more |
| 02:10.31 | Iriel | And sometimes it's because there may be promotions or restrictions tied to card type, and they want the customer's awareness of their card type to be explicit |
| 02:10.31 | WobWork | but you get the concept for free |
| 02:10.37 | Shirik | ... |
| 02:10.54 | Shirik | Oh I see Super Saver Discount: -$8.00 |
| 02:10.58 | tekkub | Iriel: when was the last time that actually happened? |
| 02:11.01 | Shirik | that's confusing |
| 02:11.14 | tekkub | no one cares about the card type anymore unless it's diner's club and noone takes it |
| 02:11.40 | Iriel | You're entitled to your opinion - i'm just telling you why retailers do what they do. |
| 02:11.44 | tekkub | to the avg idiot it's all just visamastercarddiscover |
| 02:12.18 | Shirik | ^ |
| 02:12.29 | tekkub | no I'm seriously asking, when was the last time a merchant cared? |
| 02:12.30 | Iriel | There are also considerations like private label or co-branded cards |
| 02:12.44 | Iriel | I work for one, we care. |
| 02:12.55 | tekkub | the only thing they care about is lowering the txn fee, which means doing AVS, CCV, and pushing debit over credit |
| 02:13.06 | Kraps | Iriel cares |
| 02:13.46 | Iriel | I do agree that most of the time there's little difference between _most_ card types, and then a couple of outliers |
| 02:14.05 | Iriel | but the user experience folks think it's better to show each type in a dropdown, than to try grouping them |
| 02:14.23 | Iriel | Also, that means the UI doesn't change if the set of types you Do care about changes |
| 02:14.24 | tekkub | pfft, what to UX people know |
| 02:14.36 | tekkub | show each icon, as the user enters the number, grey out the others |
| 02:14.49 | Iriel | Some banks have reward programs with retailers that require the final order to be placed on their card type |
| 02:15.25 | Iriel | Sometimes your order totals are dependent on the payment type (loyalty programs with reduced shipping, for example) |
| 02:15.27 | WobWork | so default to that and hope the buyer switches cards instead? |
| 02:15.40 | tekkub | ^ |
| 02:16.31 | Iriel | If displaying the appropriate total requires a round-trip to the server it's far less wierd for that to happen as a result of changing a dropdown, than happing half-way through entering your CC# into a field. |
| 02:17.14 | tekkub | but the user is far less likely to notice it while they're typing the number |
| 02:17.25 | Iriel | You typically WANT the user to notice |
| 02:17.32 | tekkub | <blink> |
| 02:17.36 | tekkub | problem solved |
| 02:17.52 | kd3 | lol |
| 02:18.31 | WobWork | unterminated html tag =( |
| 02:18.38 | WobWork | we're stuck in blink forever |
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| 02:23.35 | Jerub | less talk about CC. more talk about dreamwalker. |
| 02:23.44 | Jerub | what sort of heals should we be seeing? |
| 02:24.35 | Kraps | is currently listening to Godsmack - Serenity |
| 02:25.24 | Thunder_Child | i hate you Kraps |
| 02:25.32 | Kraps | muahaahaha |
| 02:25.50 | Kraps | its a great song |
| 02:26.03 | Thunder_Child | it has nothing to do with the song |
| 02:26.23 | Kraps | the band is ok |
| 02:26.29 | Thunder_Child | or the band |
| 02:27.04 | Kraps | so you just hate music |
| 02:27.08 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 02:27.24 | Kraps | hmm |
| 02:28.10 | Kraps | your face is open |
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| 02:30.05 | WobWork | Jerub: http://thefluiddruid.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/valithria-dreamwalker-strategy-tips/ ? |
| 02:31.06 | Kraps | noooo not toc |
| 02:32.50 | Thunder_Child | this shadow priest is doing nothing but holy novas |
| 02:33.05 | Thunder_Child | i want to cry |
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| 02:38.46 | WobWork | sigh: http://screencast.com/t/NjI1ZTI3ZD |
| 02:44.16 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: did you ask him why? |
| 02:44.46 | Thunder_Child | i dont have to Kraps, it's because he wants high dps |
| 02:45.11 | Thunder_Child | it's the only aoe priest have at this level |
| 02:45.25 | Thunder_Child | priests* |
| 02:45.50 | Thunder_Child | it's just that it's a huge mana sink |
| 02:49.23 | Kraps | its the only aoe priests have at ANY level |
| 02:49.30 | Kraps | besides mind sear |
| 02:49.35 | Kraps | at 75 |
| 02:50.01 | Thunder_Child | i know, that why i said it like that |
| 02:50.22 | Thunder_Child | unlike you :p |
| 02:50.48 | WobWork | I <3 MindSear |
| 02:50.54 | Thunder_Child | i would also point out i never specifiec what level i am at |
| 02:50.57 | WobWork | mobile aoe is the best thing ever |
| 02:51.03 | Thunder_Child | specified* |
| 02:51.23 | Thunder_Child | only one that beats it is SoC |
| 02:51.46 | WobWork | yeah, cause they can run out of range and still work |
| 02:51.54 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i dont understand what you're saying |
| 02:52.00 | Thunder_Child | and they hit 'your target' |
| 02:52.10 | Kraps | but please appreciate my efforts |
| 02:53.17 | Thunder_Child | at what? |
| 02:53.28 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: I don't mind too much that MS doesn't damage the target |
| 02:53.43 | WobWork | it means that in a large enough pack, there's always one mob left to support the aoe |
| 02:54.03 | WobWork | rather than spending the mana and having to recast cause your target dies |
| 02:54.09 | Thunder_Child | WobWork: yes, but inevitibly people are killing your sear target |
| 02:55.13 | Thunder_Child | because murphy says so |
| 02:55.21 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: of course, but you're not undermining your own target at least |
| 02:55.51 | WobWork | also, a lot of the time you can target the last priority mob |
| 02:56.03 | WobWork | to get the most out of the situation |
| 02:56.36 | Thunder_Child | well i have an 80 lock and priest, and while sear is mind numbingly lazy, i do prefer the...flexibility of SoC |
| 02:57.00 | Ivis | on what realms are you playing? |
| 02:57.30 | Thunder_Child | i am on cenarius |
| 02:57.54 | Ivis | eu/us ? |
| 02:57.58 | Thunder_Child | us |
| 02:58.05 | Ivis | oh ok |
| 02:58.18 | Thunder_Child | if i was eu i would have said it knowing that i am not the center of the universe |
| 02:58.33 | Ivis | :) |
| 02:59.21 | Kraps | whats soc? |
| 02:59.29 | Thunder_Child | seed of corruption |
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| 03:02.55 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24401696048&sid=1 |
| 03:02.57 | Kraps | hmm |
| 03:06.08 | Thunder_Child | why does buffs generate agro! |
| 03:06.16 | Thunder_Child | s/does/do/ |
| 03:07.31 | Thunder_Child | though if i had to guess i would say it's something involving heals being 'instant buffs' |
| 03:09.58 | Adys | man |
| 03:10.04 | Adys | d3d up to 80 fps now |
| 03:10.10 | Adys | I am impressed |
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| 03:15.32 | Kraps | http://www.wowbash.com/images/1276012517.jpg |
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| 03:18.15 | Kraps | k this addon is lame http://www.wowbash.com/images/1275920142.png |
| 03:21.04 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: it would be much better if it came before the name imo |
| 03:21.30 | Kraps | no, it wouldnt |
| 03:22.18 | Thunder_Child | you're just gs bitter |
| 03:23.06 | Shirik | áºÌ¢Ì̺̰̱ÍÍͦ̽ÌÌa̺Ì̤̹ÌͤÌͯͥÌÌͮ̿l̪Í̤Íͣͪ̽gÌ»Ì ÌÌ Í̳ͪÍÌͨÌͫͤÌÌÌ½Í o̪ÍÍÌ̱Ìͧ̾̾ÌÍÌͧÍ
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| 03:23.14 | Shirik | aw, that was kinda boring here |
| 03:23.22 | Thunder_Child | ow |
| 03:24.02 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: no, i like looking at the gs of people in my party/raid but thats just overkill |
| 03:25.38 | Kraps | Shirik: why are you breaking shit? |
| 03:25.49 | Shirik | it was a wiki article |
| 03:25.58 | Shirik | for a few seconds |
| 03:26.34 | Thunder_Child | what rule did it break? |
| 03:26.53 | kd3 | no mojibake in enwiki? |
| 03:27.33 | Kraps | its all wonky in my chat |
| 03:27.34 | Jerub | i have gs lite only showing me gs when i inspect someone |
| 03:27.37 | Jerub | i like it that way |
| 03:27.40 | Jerub | hates prejudging people |
| 03:28.29 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: "Pages consisting entirely of incoherent text or gibberish with no meaningful content or history." |
| 03:28.39 | Shirik | though interestingly I'm not entirely sure that applies |
| 03:28.54 | Thunder_Child | sounds meaningful |
| 03:29.13 | Thunder_Child | but then i dont really know what it's talking about |
| 03:29.17 | Shirik | It's definitely a G12 though |
| 03:29.30 | Shirik | it's using Zalgo to decribe zalgo |
| 03:29.42 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 03:29.57 | Thunder_Child | circular logic |
| 03:30.03 | Thunder_Child | ish |
| 03:30.08 | Shirik | but |
| 03:30.19 | Shirik | it was a copyvio of an encyclopedia dramatica article anyway |
| 03:30.59 | Shirik | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Zalgo |
| 03:31.04 | Shirik | that was the page (NSFW btw) |
| 03:31.15 | Shirik | only because of the ads |
| 03:31.27 | kd3 | zomg shirik linking to ed? |
| 03:31.31 | kd3 | looks for the pitchforks |
| 03:31.41 | Shirik | I was pointing out that it was a direct copy from there :P |
| 03:37.19 | Shirik | aww |
| 03:37.22 | Shirik | ~wiki Dean Fisher |
| 03:37.29 | batrick | Anybody got a recommendation for a file server chasis (supporting 6+ hard drives)? |
| 03:37.30 | Shirik | gdi |
| 03:37.35 | Shirik | some admin got to it before me |
| 03:37.36 | batrick | motherboard too |
| 03:37.58 | Shirik | anyway, '''Dean Fisher''' is the Best Father there is. |
| 03:38.10 | Shirik | sweet father's day thing |
| 03:39.07 | Shirik | oi batrick |
| 03:39.14 | batrick | sup |
| 03:39.30 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 03:39.36 | Shirik | you always say that so I thought I'd be first for ocne |
| 03:39.37 | Shirik | once |
| 03:39.49 | batrick | that's cool |
| 03:39.57 | batrick | i'm trying to make a file server |
| 03:40.07 | Shirik | that's cool |
| 03:40.12 | batrick | and just found out my old desktop's motherboard doesn't have as many SATA ports as I thought it did |
| 03:40.32 | batrick | soo gotta buy new hardware QQ |
| 03:40.46 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:40.54 | Shirik | some day I'm going to get a server |
| 03:40.56 | batrick | i'm thinking im gonna go all the way and buy a sweet 20 hard drive server case |
| 03:41.10 | batrick | o man it's gonna be awesome |
| 03:41.13 | batrick | freebsd + zfs + afs |
| 03:41.15 | Shirik | I can get like 40% off if I get it through Dell Business thanks to my company's discounts |
| 03:43.01 | Thunder_Child | and 20 2gb HD's? |
| 03:43.50 | Shirik | hyperraid |
| 03:43.50 | Shirik | omg |
| 03:43.51 | batrick | ya man |
| 03:44.00 | Shirik | 20xraid 0 SSDs |
| 03:44.15 | Shirik | epic speed |
| 03:44.18 | Shirik | it would be like ram |
| 03:44.24 | Thunder_Child | can a computer even access that fast? |
| 03:44.24 | batrick | zzz |
| 03:44.34 | batrick | nah dude |
| 03:44.39 | batrick | CPUs are much slower than SSD |
| 03:44.40 | batrick | durr |
| 03:44.52 | batrick | we're waiting ofr intel to catch up |
| 03:44.54 | Shirik | slaps batrick |
| 03:45.08 | Shirik | surely he was referring to the controller |
| 03:45.15 | Shirik | to which I would say "probably not" |
| 03:45.18 | Torhal | ORF == On Fucking Retarded |
| 03:45.21 | Torhal | ? |
| 03:45.21 | Shirik | but DMA probably can handle that |
| 03:45.37 | Shirik | that is, let the CPU keep going |
| 03:45.53 | Shirik | do SSDs even have a cache? |
| 03:46.01 | Shirik | er, buffer |
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| 03:46.11 | Shirik | or do they just straight write? |
| 03:46.21 | Shirik | I imagine a little RAM would still be faster so they probably do |
| 03:47.13 | batrick | core 2 duos are still expensive |
| 03:47.20 | batrick | i was hoping for < 100$ |
| 03:48.35 | ReAn | so has the tooling for making addons gotten better (i.e. better xml/lua editors) etc... ? i've been out of the game for quite some time now |
| 03:49.04 | batrick | people still use xml for wow? |
| 03:50.02 | Torhal | batrick: Yes. |
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| 03:50.25 | batrick | that was rhetorical |
| 03:50.31 | batrick | o well |
| 03:50.33 | batrick | so shirik |
| 03:50.37 | batrick | what r you working on nowadays |
| 03:51.22 | Torhal | batrick: He's designing a perpetual motion machine using C++ and camera lenses. |
| 03:51.58 | batrick | you might as well have said he's trying to decide P =? NP and I would have been more likely to believe you |
| 03:52.04 | Jerub | so anyone know if you can do ahune below level 80? |
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| 03:54.10 | Thunder_Child | na batrick, Shirik doesnt seem like the type for p=np |
| 03:56.27 | batrick | man HoN's matchmaking is seirously fucked |
| 03:56.35 | batrick | i wait 10 minutes in queue |
| 03:56.38 | batrick | leave/restart |
| 03:56.41 | batrick | get in a game in 2 min |
| 03:57.05 | Jerub | HoN ? |
| 03:57.07 | batrick | how do these people fuck this up |
| 03:57.10 | batrick | !g HoN |
| 03:57.11 | batbot | batrick: HON Office Furniture â Desks, Workstations, Chairs, Storage & Files <http://www.hon.com/> |
| 03:57.14 | batrick | !g HoN game |
| 03:57.15 | batbot | batrick: Heroes of Newerth <http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/> |
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| 04:05.25 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.25 | Adys | adys@azura:~/src/bzr/pywow$ git diff --s |
| 04:05.25 | Adys | --shortstat --src-prefix= --staged --stat --summary |
| 04:05.27 | Adys | Man I love git. |
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| 04:07.15 | eidolarr | you're using git in your bzr directory? heresy |
| 04:09.26 | Adys | it used to be a bzr project |
| 04:09.32 | Adys | and im too used to my tabbing |
| 04:10.01 | eidolarr | is it a python emulator in wow? |
| 04:13.34 | Adys | it's a wow emulator in python |
| 04:13.36 | Adys | close enough |
| 04:14.19 | eidolarr | ah damn i confused pywow and wowpy |
| 04:14.25 | eidolarr | how far along is it |
| 04:14.38 | Adys | its not an emu that was a joke :P |
| 04:14.49 | Adys | but really, its a collection of various wow scripts, classes, definitions and so on |
| 04:16.23 | Adys | ls /home/adys/src/bzr/pywow/ |
| 04:16.23 | Adys | auth/ builddata/ guids/ __init__.py mdx/ mpq/ spellstrings/ structures/ wdbc/ |
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| 04:42.22 | Shirik | Copper is a required nutrient for our bodies? o.o |
| 04:42.40 | Shirik | or is it one of those things you're not supposed to have a lot of |
| 04:43.07 | Thunder_Child | thoes are not mutually exclusive |
| 04:45.24 | Shirik | I just looked at my tracker and it said I was at 588% the daily value of copper >.> |
| 04:45.56 | batrick | doesn't mean you are taking a dangerous dosage |
| 04:45.59 | Shirik | apparently that's not a big deal, your body just gets rid of it |
| 04:46.14 | Shirik | it was just like that bar was sticking way out |
| 04:46.17 | Shirik | and I was like "wtf is this" |
| 04:47.11 | batrick | it's sad i can't find an inexpensive file server with space for 6+ hard drives |
| 04:47.16 | batrick | err, file server chasis |
| 04:47.24 | batrick | i might end up going with a desktop case : / |
| 04:47.25 | Shirik | people see "server" and immediately think "business" |
| 04:47.31 | Shirik | which translates into "omg easy money" |
| 04:47.42 | Shirik | because for some reason businesses are willing to shell out money without really thinking |
| 04:47.55 | batrick | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043 |
| 04:48.02 | batrick | looks like everything i need with adequate cooling |
| 04:48.57 | batrick | 12 hard drive bays |
| 04:48.58 | batrick | lol. |
| 04:49.12 | Shirik | batrick |
| 04:49.14 | Shirik | that looks hawt |
| 04:49.26 | batrick | dude |
| 04:49.33 | batrick | the only other "server" cawse with 12 bays |
| 04:49.36 | batrick | was by HP |
| 04:49.38 | batrick | and it cost 2k+ |
| 04:50.05 | Shirik | just the case? |
| 04:50.13 | batrick | think so |
| 04:50.21 | Shirik | how do you justify a slab of metal being $2k |
| 04:50.22 | batrick | just looked at the price and said lolno |
| 04:50.24 | batrick | then quit the window |
| 04:50.30 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:51.23 | batrick | what i really like about this antec case is how much space is inside |
| 04:51.29 | batrick | who wants a computer case that's cramped :( |
| 04:51.37 | Shirik | antec is really good at cases |
| 04:51.41 | Shirik | I was always very satisfied |
| 04:51.46 | Shirik | had 3 of them |
| 04:51.48 | Shirik | very spacious, etc. |
| 04:53.12 | batrick | i have a bad feeling the case will require you to remove the front fans if you install hard drives |
| 04:53.24 | batrick | i had another antec case that forced me to do that |
| 04:57.22 | Shirik | my case had something strange |
| 04:57.31 | Shirik | it had like this pullout thing |
| 04:57.36 | Shirik | like it was a case inside the case |
| 04:57.46 | Shirik | you take it out, mount the hard drives, then stick it in and pull a lock lever |
| 04:59.55 | batrick | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j3MNAQLuIQ |
| 05:00.58 | batrick | pretty sure im gonna get this case |
| 05:06.48 | Iriel | Shirik: a drive cage, they're moderately common |
| 05:08.23 | Shirik | Is `uname -a` the closest you can get to a standard way to find out what distro someone's on? |
| 05:08.34 | Shirik | or is there some better? |
| 05:08.48 | WobWork1 | that's pretty standard |
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| 05:09.27 | Iriel | I suspect it depends heavily what you mean by "distro" too |
| 05:09.27 | Shirik | like if I want to tell if someone's on ubuntu, gentoo, whatever |
| 05:09.28 | Iriel | I would imagine it's the best place to start |
| 05:09.46 | Iriel | Looking for telltale files in /etc/ might help also? |
| 05:10.17 | Jerub | Shirik: no. generally you cat /etc/debian-release or /etc/redhat-release |
| 05:10.30 | Jerub | oh, /etc/system-release is a symlink |
| 05:10.33 | Shirik | and then when they're not on debian or redhat? |
| 05:10.44 | Jerub | Shirik: you laugh |
| 05:10.47 | Shirik | no |
| 05:10.50 | Jerub | oh how you chortle. |
| 05:10.55 | Shirik | what if the person is on gentoo |
| 05:10.58 | Shirik | then they deserve a beer |
| 05:10.59 | Jerub | but yeah, /etc/system-release seems right |
| 05:11.01 | durcyn | i'd start with /etc/*-release, uname only works for stock kernels |
| 05:11.01 | Jerub | pfft |
| 05:11.09 | durcyn | system- isn't FHS, iirc |
| 05:13.35 | Shirik | also |
| 05:13.39 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:13.58 | Shirik | someone misconfigured their firewall and blocked all traffic inbound from localhost |
| 05:14.02 | Shirik | and this caused Minion to stop working |
| 05:14.18 | Cide | hi |
| 05:14.32 | Shirik | damn Sun and their overuse of RPCs |
| 05:15.15 | Cide | that seems like it shouldn't stop minion from working :( |
| 05:15.29 | Cide | rpc ftl |
| 05:15.59 | Shirik | it's Java's fault |
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| 05:16.10 | Shirik | the Swing library on some implementations has an excessive use of RPC |
| 05:16.14 | Shirik | even for local applications |
| 05:16.21 | Shirik | it just connects to localhost |
| 05:16.45 | Shirik | it's primarily heavyweight controls that do that, but still |
| 05:17.47 | Cide | that sounds like stupid design to me but I'm sure there's a reason |
| 05:18.12 | Shirik | Well we do it where I work too |
| 05:18.26 | Iriel | Was this an RPC issue or someone using TCP to their X server instead of a unix domain socket? |
| 05:18.29 | Shirik | however we're experimenting with sneaking in a "fake" RPC that's just shared memory |
| 05:18.29 | Kraps | http://www.nerdist.com/2010/06/doctor-hoo/ |
| 05:19.03 | Shirik | Iriel: An RPC to localhost was being blocked because someone misconfigured their firewall and was blocking inbound connections froun localhost |
| 05:19.28 | Cide | maybe it was properly configured to screw java over |
| 05:19.42 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:20.48 | airtonix | Shirik, doesnt uname -a contain the distro name as well ? |
| 05:20.58 | Shirik | this was my question |
| 05:21.03 | airtonix | it does for me |
| 05:21.21 | airtonix | and uname is fairly universal, is it not ? |
| 05:21.35 | airtonix | (although what it reports may not be ) |
| 05:21.38 | durcyn | don't be daft, uname is kernel version. |
| 05:21.46 | airtonix | yes |
| 05:21.51 | durcyn | your distribution might append a string to said kernel version, but that's nowhere near universeal |
| 05:22.08 | airtonix | lsb-release ? |
| 05:22.25 | Iriel | durcyn: remember our friend "dont let the perfect be the enemy of the good"-- uname is a solid starting point if you're trying to guess. |
| 05:22.39 | Iriel | It's certainly one of the first things I would run if I found myself on a strange unix system |
| 05:23.10 | durcyn | Iriel: from context, i understood the intent to be to discover the distribution programatically |
| 05:24.12 | airtonix | lsb_release --all |
| 05:24.25 | airtonix | not sure if that exists on non debian systems |
| 05:25.04 | Shirik | I think I have a better answer |
| 05:25.12 | Shirik | This should always work so long as the operator isn't lying |
| 05:25.25 | Shirik | echo "What distribution are you on?" && cat |
| 05:25.34 | airtonix | ... |
| 05:25.42 | Dashkal | Expect 'linux' |
| 05:26.06 | durcyn | Your Mother 2.3-r2 |
| 05:26.07 | Dashkal | Personally, I'd type Windows just to see what it does |
| 05:26.14 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:26.27 | Shirik | I had a distro once that yelled at me any time someone typed "dir" |
| 05:26.35 | Shirik | that is, yelled at the user |
| 05:27.25 | durcyn | anyway, safest bet is still probably to check for common /etc/foo-release files, then fall back to some sane default |
| 05:27.44 | airtonix | yes |
| 05:27.53 | airtonix | gentoo also put 'gentoo' in the kernel string |
| 05:28.08 | durcyn | airtonix: only for the sys-kernel/gentoo-sources package, which is not mandatory, fwiw |
| 05:28.19 | airtonix | but i think they are trying to setup lsb_release too |
| 05:28.35 | durcyn | and lbs-release isn't in the system profile yet, so |
| 05:28.55 | durcyn | lsb even |
| 05:29.39 | durcyn | sorry to be a debbie downer, but there just isn't a standard yet. |
| 05:29.45 | durcyn | well, an implemented one. |
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| 05:34.19 | Dagmar | Bleh. Now that I'm lookin' at it I see I was right the other day about PB4 not seeming to have a way to make two unit frames for one thing (so no doubling up to get fancy-fancy placement) |
| 05:35.43 | Dagmar | durcyn: LSB doesn't really thrill me because they don't got into a lot of detail about *why*, they just hand down such a heaping pile of highly-specific library requirements you might as well just freeze one config and call it a day |
| 05:36.08 | Dagmar | FHS, for all of it's shizoidness is a sight more useful |
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| 06:07.37 | Shadowed | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.43 | Thunder_Child | blizz needs to change conjured water at low levels |
| 06:10.16 | Torhal | Shadowed: Eh? |
| 06:10.24 | Shadowed | er part got cutoff |
| 06:10.29 | Shadowed | Has anyone tried installing NET 3.5 on Wine* |
| 06:10.40 | Torhal | I did, months ago. It failed miserably. |
| 06:10.48 | Shadowed | Yea most of what I'm seeing is saying it fails horribly |
| 06:10.58 | Torhal | I then checked on WineHQ and they pretty much said "Not going to happen" |
| 06:11.10 | Shadowed | Off to VMWare |
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| 06:19.24 | Jerub | what should i make for dinner? |
| 06:20.30 | Shirik | macaroni and cheese |
| 06:21.07 | Shadowed | children |
| 06:21.10 | Shadowed | I hear they are delicious |
| 06:21.45 | Dagmar | Needs more saly. |
| 06:21.47 | Dagmar | er salt. |
| 06:22.10 | Shirik | macaroni and cheese with salt |
| 06:22.18 | Shirik | or were you speaking about the children? |
| 06:22.24 | airtonix | what do you need .net 3.5 for ? |
| 06:22.41 | Shirik | LINQ! |
| 06:22.50 | airtonix | uSuck |
| 06:22.59 | Shadowed | For some god knows why reason |
| 06:23.08 | Shadowed | Wizards decided to do their D&D character builder in 3.5 |
| 06:23.14 | Shadowed | because they are stupid |
| 06:23.15 | Thunder_Child | baby soul makes anything taste good |
| 06:23.16 | airtonix | fail |
| 06:23.20 | Shirik | They used LINQ |
| 06:23.31 | Shirik | because it is awesome |
| 06:23.36 | airtonix | -_- |
| 06:23.40 | Shadowed | No they are just stupid |
| 06:23.41 | airtonix | BASIC is awesome |
| 06:23.50 | cog|away | LINQ is awesome |
| 06:24.06 | airtonix | clearly not, since i don't know about it |
| 06:24.17 | Shirik | you are deprived |
| 06:24.38 | airtonix | no... I have a cultured up-bringing |
| 06:24.38 | cog|away | it's like a functional, sql-ish sublanguage of C# and VB.Net |
| 06:25.02 | airtonix | lol visualbasic. peasants. |
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| 06:25.51 | cog|away | um k. |
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| 06:26.28 | cog|away | VB.Net inherits only its look and feel from visual basic. the semantics are very modern. |
| 06:26.39 | Shirik | it's supported by VB? |
| 06:26.44 | Shirik | I thought it was only a C# thing |
| 06:27.09 | zenzio | what was a C# thing? .NET? |
| 06:27.12 | Shirik | also airtonix, if you don't like the SQL syntax, you can directly use the LINQ extension methods too |
| 06:27.16 | Shirik | no, LINQ |
| 06:27.44 | cog|away | zenzio: linq is a set of libraries with extra syntax added to C# and VB |
| 06:27.57 | Shirik | Also |
| 06:28.07 | Shirik | are extension methods a .NET 3.5 thing or is that just C# being clever? |
| 06:28.16 | airtonix | the latter |
| 06:28.16 | Shirik | I think it just compiles to standard code so it's just a clever syntax |
| 06:28.18 | cog|away | extension methods were required for linq |
| 06:28.36 | cog|away | they were part of the package |
| 06:28.47 | Shirik | you know what pisses me off about extension methods |
| 06:28.51 | Shirik | you have to use a static class |
| 06:29.02 | Shirik | well, not just that |
| 06:29.04 | cog|away | that's what you would do anyway |
| 06:29.06 | Shirik | you have to use a static OUTER class |
| 06:29.12 | Shirik | no, I wanted to make one the other day |
| 06:29.16 | Shirik | but not expose it to the entire world |
| 06:29.25 | Cide | The Entire World! |
| 06:29.25 | Shirik | so I tried to make a static inner class and it wouldn't let me |
| 06:29.29 | Xinhuan | anyone with a steam account that buys from UK store? |
| 06:29.35 | Shirik | so I tried to make a static method inside my outer class and it wouldn't let me |
| 06:29.42 | Shirik | and then I just said "fuck it" and went back to the old school way |
| 06:29.53 | cog|away | Shirik: private static didn't work? |
| 06:30.06 | Shirik | naturally an outer class can't be private |
| 06:30.10 | Shirik | that wouldn't make much sense |
| 06:30.12 | cog|away | for the method |
| 06:30.16 | Shirik | nope |
| 06:30.19 | Shirik | it must be in a static class |
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| 06:30.57 | Shirik | of course, I think C# is completely broken on how it thinks OOP is supposed to work |
| 06:31.00 | Shirik | but that's another story |
| 06:31.14 | cog|away | well, part of me wonders what's the point of not "exposing it to the entire world"... |
| 06:31.15 | Shirik | like the fact that it has namespaces and then turns namespaces into worthless structures is beyond me |
| 06:31.17 | zenzio | http://despair.com/somevedi.html |
| 06:31.28 | Shirik | cog|away: Principle of least visibility |
| 06:31.54 | cog|away | well don't use an extension method then imo |
| 06:32.29 | Shirik | I ended up not using one! |
| 06:34.23 | Cide | rawr |
| 06:35.35 | Shirik | rawr |
| 06:36.27 | Cide | how are you this fine morning |
| 06:36.28 | Cide | ? |
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| 06:36.37 | Shirik | it's 11:30 PM |
| 06:36.44 | Cide | that's a lie |
| 06:36.54 | Cide | 8:37 am |
| 06:36.55 | cog|away | you're on the west coast now? |
| 06:36.55 | Shirik | and according to my log I am |
| 06:37.14 | Cide | I thought you lived in like florida |
| 06:37.18 | Shirik | happy, very calm, very peaceful, energetic, very clear minded, not hungry, and healthy |
| 06:37.28 | Shirik | which = smileyface |
| 06:37.40 | Shirik | I go to school in FL |
| 06:37.42 | Shirik | I work in WA |
| 06:37.46 | Cide | WA = ? |
| 06:37.51 | Shirik | washington state |
| 06:37.56 | Cide | I see |
| 06:38.05 | Shirik | the other corner of the 48 |
| 06:38.27 | Cide | you like diagonals huh |
| 06:38.39 | Shirik | it just kinda happened :P |
| 06:39.07 | Cide | so I wake up to do early work |
| 06:39.16 | Cide | but my gf is asleep next to my desktop so I took my laptop |
| 06:39.31 | Cide | and it turns out I have all the stuff I need on the desktop and dropbox isn't working |
| 06:39.34 | Cide | fuck this |
| 06:40.23 | Thunder_Child | remote in? |
| 06:40.51 | Cide | it's off |
| 06:40.55 | Cide | that's the whole point |
| 06:41.22 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:41.24 | Shirik | goes to sleep now |
| 06:41.35 | Jerub | dropbox just came good for me on my phone |
| 06:41.39 | Thunder_Child | it's only midnight Shirik |
| 06:41.45 | Shirik | I have to get up at 6:30 |
| 06:41.49 | Cide | Jerub, hm? |
| 06:41.59 | Thunder_Child | failure |
| 06:42.02 | Jerub | it wasn't working earlier |
| 06:44.04 | cog|sleep | Shirik: sleep is for the weak |
| 06:44.07 | cog|sleep | (and ditto) |
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| 06:47.12 | Fisker | gentleshirik |
| 06:53.05 | WobWork1 | what's that comic that has the little dwarf dude as a henchman |
| 06:53.26 | Dagmar | No idea at all there |
| 06:53.33 | zenzio | which little dwarf dude? |
| 06:53.37 | WobWork1 | sort of like Munchkin |
| 06:53.38 | Dagmar | Names? |
| 06:53.43 | WobWork1 | he had a big nose |
| 06:53.53 | Dagmar | Dwarf. Big nose. Check. |
| 06:53.56 | zenzio | what comic style? |
| 06:53.57 | WobWork1 | and there was a warrior |
| 06:54.02 | WobWork1 | a mage |
| 06:54.08 | WobWork1 | and a priestess |
| 06:54.13 | Dagmar | So that um... nope. |
| 06:54.15 | Fisker | gentlewobin |
| 06:54.15 | WobWork1 | and they were all D&D players |
| 06:54.24 | WobWork1 | in an offshoot |
| 06:54.56 | Dagmar | Well, it's not Looking for Group |
| 06:55.15 | Dagmar | ...but it could still be the comic with Gentle in it from EQ |
| 06:55.48 | Dagmar | It's not one of the two that MMOChamp keeps linking to is it? |
| 06:56.00 | zenzio | typing "comic dwarf" made Google suggest "wow comic dwarf", which resulted in http://www.drunkduck.com/Cru_The_DwarF/ |
| 06:56.01 | WobWork1 | no |
| 06:56.03 | Fisker | hey WobWork1 |
| 06:56.06 | Fisker | hey zenzio |
| 06:56.10 | WobWork | hey Fisker |
| 06:56.11 | Dagmar | Surely it's not Dork Tower |
| 06:56.26 | WobWork | no |
| 06:56.34 | WobWork | one word title |
| 06:56.38 | WobWork | the henchman's name |
| 06:56.40 | WobWork | I think |
| 06:56.43 | Jerub | WobWork: you're thinking of nodwick |
| 06:56.46 | WobWork | that's it! |
| 06:56.58 | Jerub | WobWork: with piffany and yaeger and the wizard guy |
| 06:57.20 | Jerub | WobWork: it's hosted on gamespy |
| 06:57.21 | WobWork | yep! |
| 06:57.26 | Dagmar | Damn that's a hell of a nose, but he doesn't really look stocky enough to be a proper dwarf |
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| 06:57.37 | Jerub | he's a henchman, not a dwarf |
| 06:57.42 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 06:58.15 | WobWork | yeah |
| 06:58.21 | WobWork | I couldn't remember -what- he was |
| 06:58.26 | WobWork | aside from a henchman |
| 06:58.30 | WobWork | so I went with the closest |
| 06:59.57 | Shirik | batrick |
| 07:00.00 | Shirik | or anyone |
| 07:00.14 | Shirik | can someone find a clever way to take a vararg list and strip the last element, without using a table? |
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| 07:00.21 | Shirik | sorta like select(2, ...) except the other side |
| 07:00.28 | zenzio | in what language? |
| 07:00.31 | Shirik | Lua |
| 07:00.35 | Amarande | ok, this mage stuff on EJ is making my head spin |
| 07:00.45 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25482059544&sid=1 |
| 07:00.45 | Dagmar | Shirik: There's no pop function? |
| 07:00.47 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 07:00.57 | Iriel | Shirik: arbitrary length? |
| 07:01.02 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:01.07 | Shirik | Actually |
| 07:01.10 | Amarande | is it really that worth it to do things like run two crafting profs purely sustained off AH purchases, and to do stupid travel time tricks with FFB? :| |
| 07:01.10 | Shirik | let me be more specific |
| 07:01.20 | Shirik | find a way to optimize the generalized curry function I just wrote in 5 minutes |
| 07:01.22 | Thunder_Child | you know, i seem to remember "-*- Shirik goes to sleep now" |
| 07:01.27 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/137901-1t53 |
| 07:01.31 | Thunder_Child | guess i was mistaken |
| 07:01.35 | Shirik | I don't like that table |
| 07:01.40 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Cairenn's definition of sleep |
| 07:01.50 | Amarande | apparently, having herbalism makes EJ laugh at your mage. :| |
| 07:01.57 | Cairenn | :p |
| 07:01.59 | Amarande | even if it's sane common sense to go with your crafting profession. :| |
| 07:02.01 | Amarande | Cairenn :D |
| 07:02.21 | Fisker | gentleshirik |
| 07:02.23 | Iriel | Shirik: I thik you got line 6 wrong |
| 07:02.35 | Thunder_Child | so...a pleasant fabrication of an idea |
| 07:02.40 | Shirik | it seems to work correctly |
| 07:02.40 | Dagmar | Amarande: Remember they worship the min/max over there |
| 07:02.42 | Shirik | what's wrong with it? |
| 07:02.43 | Iriel | oh no |
| 07:02.46 | Iriel | I see line 2 |
| 07:02.48 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 07:03.04 | Dagmar | bluespacecow: That's just a *weird* client behaviour |
| 07:03.18 | bluspacecow | funny tho no ? |
| 07:03.21 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 07:03.24 | bluspacecow | oh hai Cairenn ! |
| 07:03.29 | Shirik | The two sets of varargs can get confusing to track |
| 07:03.33 | Dagmar | You could probably scare some newbs with it. :) |
| 07:03.42 | bluspacecow | pfft |
| 07:03.48 | bluspacecow | really not hard to scare newbs |
| 07:03.48 | batrick | Shirik: so you want to call a function on each element in a vararg? |
| 07:03.54 | Shirik | no |
| 07:04.06 | Shirik | this is an implementation of a curry function |
| 07:04.27 | bluspacecow | "to run a free virus check in game type /camp ... if you get logged out it means you have a keylogger and shouldn't log back in again without formatting your HD and reinstalling everything" |
| 07:04.30 | bluspacecow | giggles |
| 07:04.45 | Dagmar | Now the real question is what happens if the thing *lets* you make someone named "Bemthree" etx |
| 07:04.55 | Shirik | youcall curry(fun, somelist) |
| 07:05.04 | Shirik | and then that returns a function (we'll call foo) |
| 07:05.11 | Shirik | Then you call foo(someotherlist) |
| 07:05.16 | Shirik | and that returns fun(somelist, someotherlist) |
| 07:05.19 | bluspacecow | @dag intriguing ... testing now |
| 07:05.28 | Cairenn | hi bluspacecow |
| 07:05.42 | bluspacecow | name unavaliable |
| 07:05.44 | Shirik | the three test cases at the bottom would print "1,2,3,4,5,6", "1,2,3,7,8,9", and "1,2,3", respectively |
| 07:06.05 | Torhal | Shirik: WOuldn't select("#", ...) work for the number of args? |
| 07:06.08 | Dagmar | I wonder if they're just GM names that don't start with GM |
| 07:06.18 | Shirik | Torhal: Yes? |
| 07:06.19 | Amarande | Shirik: I'm trying to think what that might be practical for. :) |
| 07:06.44 | bluspacecow | there's also GMThree |
| 07:06.47 | Amarande | Maybe if you have some reason to visit the Twisted Kingdom in the near future. :) |
| 07:06.53 | bluspacecow | alll the names I tried were reserved |
| 07:06.53 | Amarande | what would "Bemthree" stand for though? |
| 07:07.00 | Shirik | Amarande: It's not uncommon |
| 07:07.02 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currying |
| 07:07.04 | Torhal | Shirik: Nevermind, I didn't look at your pastey and misunderstood what you wanted |
| 07:07.15 | Dagmar | Armory shows no one named Bemthree |
| 07:07.19 | Iriel | Shirik: the table is going to be unavoidable |
| 07:07.27 | Shirik | that's what I feared :( |
| 07:07.31 | Shirik | I just hoped someone would be more clever than me |
| 07:07.40 | Iriel | also, why does it offend you so much when you have potentially a great many closures being wasted? |
| 07:07.44 | Amarande | Shirik: but this is practical and sane *why*? :) |
| 07:07.49 | Shirik | it's no big deal since it's just an upfront cost |
| 07:07.54 | Iriel | At least, it looks that way, given you're calling the thing recursively |
| 07:08.03 | Amarande | Like I said, maybe if you have some reason to visit the Twisted Kingdom in the near future |
| 07:08.04 | Amarande | heh |
| 07:08.09 | Iriel | I'd be curious what you see if you put a print between 13 and 14 |
| 07:08.15 | Shirik | Well at least it only compiles the function once! |
| 07:08.17 | Iriel | Just how many closures are you creating? |
| 07:08.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: How much are tix to get into there? |
| 07:08.32 | Shirik | it's just the upvalues that are changing :( |
| 07:08.41 | Amarande | Dagmar: one mind, generally |
| 07:08.51 | Amarande | the twisted kingdom is where you go in the black jewels novels when you go insane |
| 07:09.09 | Shirik | on the bright side Iriel |
| 07:09.13 | Shirik | this is all tail recursive |
| 07:09.33 | Amarande | but yeah, I'm still trying to figure out where currying would actually be worth the brain-bending it involves to code |
| 07:09.33 | Shirik | so all the costs are up front |
| 07:09.46 | zenzio | http://www.cracked.com/article_18569_the-6-most-insanely-misguided-attempts-at-viral-marketing.html - got to wonder what goes on in the advertisers' minds |
| 07:09.49 | Dagmar | It's a sad thing when a language that has lists has no pop |
| 07:10.10 | Shirik | Dagmar: A function would certainly be possible, but you could write that yourself |
| 07:10.16 | Shirik | The language could not provide it because it's impossible to compile |
| 07:10.24 | Amarande | zenzio: did you hear about the hello kitty motor oil yet, btw? |
| 07:10.46 | Dagmar | BTW http://www.arksark.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Allods-advert-pulled-from-the-Evony-playbook.jpg |
| 07:10.53 | Dagmar | I'm not the only one who noticed, apparently |
| 07:10.57 | Shirik | Actually that may be a good feature for the default Lua library |
| 07:11.00 | Shirik | it's a trivial C function to write |
| 07:11.21 | Shirik | I might suggest that |
| 07:11.23 | batrick | many helper functions are trivial in C and hard in Lua |
| 07:11.27 | batrick | and the authors refuse to add them |
| 07:11.41 | Dagmar | Shirik: Well, pop and shift are in perl and they get used *muchly* because they don't involve a whole lot of anything |
| 07:12.01 | Shirik | unfortunately in Lua proper it involves a lot |
| 07:12.11 | Shirik | but when you shift it to C it becomes simple |
| 07:12.38 | Shirik | It's just something that's impossible to do safely with the current Lua VM |
| 07:12.40 | Dagmar | Yep. Just shuffling a few pointers about |
| 07:12.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: what's wrong with that ad? lol |
| 07:12.54 | Shirik | the compiler assumes nothing about the length of a vararg list |
| 07:13.00 | Dagmar | Amarande: There's apparently no Lesbian Fairy class in the game |
| 07:13.09 | Dagmar | That and the 3/4 moon. |
| 07:13.10 | Amarande | Heh |
| 07:13.16 | Dagmar | I'll start playing when it becomes a full moon. |
| 07:13.21 | Dagmar | THEN I'll know they really want me |
| 07:13.29 | bluspacecow | @amarande they ain't naked |
| 07:13.57 | Dagmar | Armor, even skimpy girl armor, is supposed to protect your toon |
| 07:14.06 | Dagmar | THe one on the left is likely to catch colds easily |
| 07:14.47 | Dagmar | Whoa. |
| 07:14.53 | Dagmar | Nintendo wants people's business. |
| 07:15.06 | Dagmar | Dead or Alive 3D is coming to the new 3DS |
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| 07:16.25 | Fisker | why don't you get it Shirik ? |
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| 07:18.14 | Fisker | i'm very sick Shirik |
| 07:18.50 | Dagmar | Tell us something we don't already know. |
| 07:18.53 | Amarande | 3DS? |
| 07:19.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: you could argue then that female Elementalist armor in Guild Wars helps them catch colds easily, too |
| 07:19.35 | Thunder_Child | still Fisker? |
| 07:19.47 | Amarande | goddamnit |
| 07:19.53 | Thunder_Child | deadman typing |
| 07:19.54 | Amarande | I thought handhelds were the last bastion for 2D, pretty much |
| 07:20.00 | Amarande | now you have to know 3D modeling to design for them now I guess :( |
| 07:20.29 | Cide | --> function strip(first, ...) if not (...) then return; else return first, strip(...); end print(strip(1, 2, 3, 4)) |
| 07:20.29 | batbot | Cide: @ [string "function strip(first, ...) if not (...) then return; else retur..."]:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 07:20.36 | Cide | --> function strip(first, ...) if not (...) then return; else return first, strip(...); end end print(strip(1, 2, 3, 4)) |
| 07:20.36 | batbot | Cide: 1 2 3 |
| 07:20.44 | Cide | Shirik, can only do it recursively |
| 07:20.47 | Cide | like above |
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| 07:21.29 | Fisker | still Thunder_Child |
| 07:21.33 | Cide | which might work with your function since you're already recursing |
| 07:21.35 | Dagmar | Amarande: Well, they had the API for the polygon rendering already |
| 07:22.52 | Amarande | how did "realistic 3D action" get so damn popular, anyway :| |
| 07:23.09 | Amarande | you'd think that given the bumper crop of bad lately in hollywood, making games take after hollywood would be bad :| |
| 07:23.19 | Dagmar | Well, on the tiny little 3DS you have a bit of an advantage |
| 07:23.25 | Amarande | still can't believe we were sent a whole box of "Valentine's Day" at the store. :P |
| 07:23.25 | Dagmar | ..plus it's shipping with a 3D camera |
| 07:23.39 | Dagmar | They have positioned themselves in a DRAMATICALLY better place for this than Sony |
| 07:23.53 | Dagmar | Sony seems to expect everyone will want to buy a >$3,000 TV to play video games. |
| 07:23.54 | Dagmar | LOL |
| 07:24.01 | Amarande | ok. first rule of a DVD. whenever you have a DVD case that shows a whole bunch of small square cropped shots on the front cover instead of a single overarching concept picture |
| 07:24.04 | Amarande | the movie is usually not very good. |
| 07:24.06 | WobWork | 3D camera? |
| 07:24.07 | Dagmar | Hell, LOL^5 |
| 07:24.09 | WobWork | wrrrrrrrry |
| 07:24.24 | Amarande | second rule of a DVD. the more A-list actors they list on the front cover of the DVD case, the more likely the movie is to be bad. |
| 07:24.28 | Dagmar | Amarande: Like Quest For The Egg Salad |
| 07:24.38 | Amarande | third rule of a DVD. if they do that AND the first thing they do on the back blurb is harp on about the number of A-list actors they used |
| 07:24.43 | Dagmar | Unlike Quest For The Egg Salad |
| 07:24.44 | Amarande | THE MOVIE IS MOST LIKELY NOT VERY GOOD. |
| 07:24.56 | Amarande | and apparently, in fact, Valentine's Day did get only like a five on IMDb. And we're trying to sell the damn thing for $20. |
| 07:25.00 | Dagmar | Not even b-list actors |
| 07:25.06 | Amarande | Also, Kanye West is probably laughing his ass off right now. :) |
| 07:25.17 | Dagmar | yes, but he's not very bright |
| 07:25.19 | Amarande | Because Taylor Swift starred in that piece of shit, while he was smart enough to stay far away. :) |
| 07:25.49 | Amarande | Which means *his* career is still very much alive, while Swift's will be constantly plagued with "weren't you that chick in valentines day" :) |
| 07:27.04 | Amarande | sure, he'll be seen as "that rude guy" |
| 07:27.10 | Amarande | but rappers apparently get positive publicity for that |
| 07:27.11 | Amarande | heh |
| 07:28.45 | Amarande | heh, regarding kanye west |
| 07:28.52 | Amarande | "[he was criticized] by President Barack Obama, who called West a "jackass" in an off the record comment." |
| 07:28.54 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:29.04 | Amarande | somehow, I'm not sure anything that ends up on Wikipedia can really be called "off the record" :| |
| 07:29.16 | WobWork | [citation needed] |
| 07:29.31 | Amarande | Wob: no, actually, there are *five* citation numbers for that one. :) |
| 07:29.42 | Fisker | primordial saronites is the best thing since sliced bread |
| 07:29.49 | Amarande | okay, I'm not sure anything that ends up on Wikipedia WITH FIVE CITATIONS can really be called "off the record" :) |
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| 07:30.05 | Fisker | moar like msnkitty |
| 07:30.08 | Amarande | especially given all the very true and useful info on WP that gets "citation needed" marks :P |
| 07:30.19 | robokitty | no u |
| 07:30.25 | Fisker | yes me |
| 07:30.30 | robokitty | moar like finally kingslayer :( |
| 07:30.34 | Amarande | also on the subject of music, I'm not sure I will EVER hear Aerosmith's Walk This Way correctly |
| 07:30.41 | Amarande | I always swear it goes "ain't seen nothin till you download a muffin" |
| 07:30.48 | Fisker | which kind? |
| 07:30.52 | robokitty | and ofc our non-hunter-including raid group got hunter loots for our effort >_> |
| 07:30.56 | WobWork | Amarande: are you bluffin with your muffin? |
| 07:30.59 | Amarande | even though it was made in the early 70s when basically nobody outside the military and universities really even knew what a download WAS |
| 07:30.59 | Amarande | heh |
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| 07:31.10 | Fisker | as long as it was the polearm it can always pass for paladin loot |
| 07:31.11 | Fisker | :3 |
| 07:31.30 | Amarande | nono ... polearms are hunter loot |
| 07:31.42 | Fisker | naw |
| 07:31.44 | Dagmar | I'm with Obama |
| 07:32.01 | Dagmar | Only a world-class moron will step out during an awards show and get things THAT wrong. |
| 07:32.06 | Fisker | it's funny how Bloodfall is a completely useless hunter and druid weapon |
| 07:32.07 | Amarande | Dagmar: my thoughts were more on the applicability of calling the comment OTR when it's on wikipedia with five citations |
| 07:32.09 | Dagmar | It's _poor_ people George Bush doesn't care about. |
| 07:32.37 | Amarande | Like I said, though. West's career is very much alive, while I expect Swift's will grind to a halt due to having starred in that shitty Valentine's Day movie. |
| 07:32.45 | robokitty | nah, it was the crossbow |
| 07:32.46 | Dagmar | If he's said "George Bush doesn't care about poor people" he would have come out roses on that |
| 07:32.55 | robokitty | and noone in our raid can wield bows xD |
| 07:33.09 | Amarande | It's like season five of American Idol ... nobody ever hears from Kat McPhee or Taylor whatever his last name was anymore |
| 07:33.14 | Dagmar | Amarande: It's not like they took her boobies away after the movie, man |
| 07:33.19 | Amarande | while that annoying valley girl Kellie Pickler is still as successive as ever :| |
| 07:33.26 | Amarande | Dagmar: okay, maybe she has a future in porn then :p |
| 07:33.33 | Dagmar | Amarande: I think that has to do with her overwhelming cutenesss. |
| 07:33.42 | Dagmar | SHe clearly put all her points into that and kept int as a dump stat |
| 07:33.44 | Fisker | men robokitty |
| 07:33.45 | Fisker | MSN |
| 07:34.11 | Amarande | Dagmar: despite this, Pickler is one of the only American Idol contestants I'm aware of who has had an entire website forum dedicated to getting her voted off :) |
| 07:34.21 | Dagmar | I look at her and wonder how someone so breathtakingly dim can even manage to make herself look that pretty |
| 07:34.29 | Amarande | I don't think even Sanjaya had that much hate slung his way |
| 07:34.32 | Amarande | despite the fact that he couldn't even sing |
| 07:34.33 | Amarande | heh |
| 07:34.46 | Fisker | do you still get ridiculous amounts of money for the midsummer fires? |
| 07:34.48 | Dagmar | It's the "she's so perfect looking" hate |
| 07:34.53 | Dagmar | Fisker: Yep |
| 07:35.05 | robokitty | they halfed the gold output? |
| 07:35.05 | Amarande | I think it was also the rumor that Simon had a crush on her and thus was trying to steer votes |
| 07:35.06 | Dagmar | Far as I know it'll be the Midsummer Cash Festival again |
| 07:35.33 | Amarande | speaking of simon |
| 07:35.39 | Amarande | AI is going to jump the shark next year I can tell |
| 07:35.41 | Dagmar | Amarande: Simon should have asked her to spell her name or something to get his head clear |
| 07:35.46 | Amarande | there's no *point* to AI without simon :| |
| 07:36.03 | airtonix | skynet will win |
| 07:36.07 | Amarande | the whole point to watching the pop-culture-bubblegum-fest is to hear Simon abuse contestants and auditioners :) |
| 07:36.12 | Fisker | weird |
| 07:36.21 | Fisker | i think mine weren't reset |
| 07:36.36 | Dagmar | Amarande: You *do* know what I mean about Ms. Pickler being dim, right? |
| 07:36.45 | Amarande | Dagmar: yes, she was obviously very dim. :) |
| 07:36.47 | Dagmar | This is not garden-variety "a little slow" I'm talking about |
| 07:37.00 | Amarande | she has all the intellect of an ICC geared warrior :D |
| 07:37.02 | Dagmar | This is like the "wow I can see China on the other side of this rabbit hole" |
| 07:37.19 | Dagmar | This is her, failing on "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2HtjYbeJdY |
| 07:37.27 | Dagmar | She just looks perfect. |
| 07:37.38 | Dagmar | ...and then she opens that mouth and makes the entire south look bad. |
| 07:37.56 | Amarande | and sadly, she's from NORTH carolina, isn't she? |
| 07:38.00 | Amarande | the sane half of the carolinas :P |
| 07:38.17 | airtonix | Dagmar, its all an act |
| 07:38.26 | bluspacecow | what'd she anser wrog ? |
| 07:38.27 | Dagmar | airtonix: Unfortunately, it's not. |
| 07:38.29 | Amarande | not the one that tries to make people register (presumably for police investigation) for political beliefs, and has a state legislator who's tried repeatedly to make public swearing practically a registerable sex offense |
| 07:38.36 | airtonix | Dagmar, proof? |
| 07:38.46 | Dagmar | airtonix: I know people who know her. |
| 07:39.02 | Amarande | (thankfully, that SC state legislator has an even worse record on passing his pet legislation than the New Jersey Nets have at basketball. :P) |
| 07:39.07 | airtonix | Dagmar, then shes also a good deciever in real life |
| 07:39.28 | Amarande | in fact, I'm not sure Mr. Let's make Swearing a Felony has EVER passed one of his pet laws :P |
| 07:39.37 | Amarande | which makes me wonder |
| 07:39.38 | Dagmar | airtonix: DUde.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEP7uti0PDw |
| 07:39.40 | airtonix | Dagmar, my mum acts dumb around people so they reveal more about things than they would if they knew how smart she was. |
| 07:39.45 | Amarande | why the hell does he keep getting elected, if he's that useless to his constituents :) |
| 07:39.56 | airtonix | Dagmar, they feel less threatened. |
| 07:40.00 | Dagmar | airtonix: She's never heard of Budapest |
| 07:40.17 | airtonix | Dagmar, i'd say the same thing if i wanted to appear to be dim |
| 07:40.20 | bluspacecow | how about constantinoble ? |
| 07:40.26 | Dagmar | Amarande: All he has to do is be less hated |
| 07:40.31 | WobWork | well |
| 07:40.35 | Dagmar | airtonix: It's not an act. |
| 07:40.40 | WobWork | who here can point to budapest on the map |
| 07:40.43 | WobWork | without looking at google? |
| 07:40.53 | Dagmar | WobWork: Too many vampire movies. I can point at it |
| 07:41.22 | airtonix | Dagmar, i never trust anything that bleeds for 7days and doesn't die.... so until i meet her in real life i always suspect shes smart enough to create skynet |
| 07:41.35 | Amarande | airtonix: I think Surreal SaDiablo had something to say about that bleeding thing |
| 07:41.39 | Amarande | it went something like this |
| 07:41.50 | Amarande | moontime inconveniences a woman for three days a month |
| 07:41.58 | Amarande | a c*** and balls can make a man stupid ANY day of the month |
| 07:42.19 | Amarande | <3's Surreal SaDiablo :D |
| 07:42.37 | Cide | Shirik, ping |
| 07:44.01 | WobWork | Amarande: unless they're gay |
| 07:44.08 | WobWork | oh |
| 07:44.15 | WobWork | misread the c*** |
| 07:44.17 | airtonix | hah |
| 07:44.27 | WobWork | stupid censorship =P |
| 07:44.47 | Cide | Shirik, http://wowi.pastey.net/137903 |
| 07:46.03 | Amarande | Wob: if you want the reference, it's in Kaeleer's Heart in the Dreams Made Flesh anthology, when she's talking to Daemon about how people have insisted the reason she cuts off men's balls (she's a ... er ... lady of the night *and* an assassin) is because she wants a pair of her own :P |
| 07:46.17 | Amarande | Surreal and Daemon are just made of awesome |
| 07:46.30 | Dagmar | Good thing medical science can now sell you a pair |
| 07:48.41 | Amarande | no, she says she *wouldn't* want to be a guy due to the above comment about moontime and balls :) |
| 07:52.11 | Amarande | Surreal's just made of awesome, anyway |
| 07:53.28 | Fisker | slaps robokitty around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:53.43 | Cide | Shirik, or in your vein, http://wowi.pastey.net/137904 |
| 07:53.57 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:56.23 | Cide | and of course he goes afk :( |
| 07:57.00 | Fisker | he's always afk when i'm around :( |
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| 08:05.19 | Fisker | i hate those fucking cc guards |
| 08:05.33 | Fisker | should be banned from the game, etc. |
| 08:06.45 | Amarande | Fisker: CC guards? |
| 08:06.55 | Amarande | what's wrong with Cenarion Circle guards? |
| 08:07.08 | Amarande | just don't pvp at cenarion hold in silithus and you should be fine :p |
| 08:07.16 | Amarande | or in mooglade |
| 08:07.24 | Fisker | i didn't really |
| 08:07.38 | Dagmar | Peed on some fires and didn't hie thee away did you? |
| 08:07.38 | Fisker | i was like a billion miles out |
| 08:07.55 | Amarande | oh, did the fire festival start already? |
| 08:07.58 | Dagmar | I generally wait for the cooties to wear off in those zones |
| 08:08.09 | Dagmar | ..e.xcepting the Barrens |
| 08:08.15 | Amarande | cooties, I presume you mean the pvp flag |
| 08:08.15 | Dagmar | Too many pop-up rogues there. |
| 08:08.18 | Dagmar | I can't resist free honor |
| 08:08.20 | Amarande | we call that the raid aids, heh |
| 08:08.21 | Fisker | yeah some Alliance was about to take the piss on our fire |
| 08:08.30 | Fisker | so i stopped him halfway out |
| 08:08.33 | Amarande | actually, that's a pretty apt description |
| 08:08.39 | Fisker | which was enough to aggro 6 cc guards |
| 08:08.41 | Amarande | it spreads easily among an entire raid due to pvp flag spreading rules |
| 08:08.45 | Amarande | and like AIDS, it makes you vulnerable |
| 08:08.45 | Amarande | heh |
| 08:08.48 | Dagmar | Dude.. |
| 08:08.51 | Dagmar | LET him pee on the fire |
| 08:08.52 | Fisker | don't even remember them having that kind of aggro in classic |
| 08:08.58 | Dagmar | Then you can toss a fire blossom on it |
| 08:09.05 | Fisker | why would i do that? |
| 08:09.13 | Dagmar | Remember... this event gives you the BUFF OF FLAMING RETRIBUTION |
| 08:09.24 | Dagmar | A very nice DPS buff to go kick the crap out of that guy |
| 08:09.32 | Dagmar | Sheesh |
| 08:09.34 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 08:09.41 | Amarande | Dagmar: is it good enough to solo normally non-soloable elites? :) |
| 08:09.58 | Amarande | aka, should I use MFF as an opportunity to try to solo all those icecrown group quests on the DK? |
| 08:10.06 | Dagmar | Amarande: It doesn't last that long |
| 08:10.10 | Fisker | Dagmar i could take him without the buff |
| 08:10.14 | Dagmar | ...but it's more than enough time to go kill the crap out of someone |
| 08:10.18 | Fisker | he wasn't even level 80 |
| 08:10.24 | Dagmar | First time it was ticking on every shot |
| 08:10.26 | Amarande | and yeah, pvp flag in the barrens sucks hard |
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| 08:10.39 | Amarande | that's a good way to get killed by all those folks who like to attack XR |
| 08:10.46 | Dagmar | I dunno if it still does thta because it's a bit unfair to people who are not hunters |
| 08:10.52 | Amarande | (as alliance, otoh, I've learned to get around the barrens without waking any horde guards :S) |
| 08:11.01 | Dagmar | ...cuz between the pet and the gun... hunters are pop-pop-pop-pop-pop |
| 08:11.25 | zenzio | careful, you'll crash the stack popping like that |
| 08:11.28 | Amarande | pets don't benefit from their master's buffs though do they? |
| 08:11.35 | Amarande | apart from ones that directly increase stats that are transferred to the pet |
| 08:11.50 | Amarande | and most hunters use fairly slow weapons, too |
| 08:11.55 | Amarande | because fast weapons suck on hunters |
| 08:11.58 | Dagmar | IIRC the first time around it was jacking me up by +700 DPS |
| 08:12.14 | Dagmar | We have auto and our special shots going simultaneously |
| 08:12.23 | Amarande | plus, if you really want to ruin someone's day |
| 08:12.33 | Amarande | equip a pair of 1.30 daggers, make sure your dagger skill is up to snuff and start raptor striking :) |
| 08:12.44 | Dagmar | I *thought* the buff lands on anyone near by when you relight the fire. Checking now |
| 08:12.48 | Amarande | (does this buff normalize on weapon speed, btw?) |
| 08:12.57 | Dagmar | I may just hang around Stormwind tomorrow enforcing nicenesss. |
| 08:13.03 | Fisker | i'm a jerk |
| 08:13.11 | Amarande | Bah Stormwind |
| 08:13.12 | Fisker | just met the same guy passing through camp mojache |
| 08:13.16 | Amarande | defend a city more worth it, like ironforge :P |
| 08:13.18 | Fisker | stunned him, slowed him, let him die to guards |
| 08:13.18 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 08:13.19 | Dagmar | Aw shucks they changed the buff |
| 08:13.32 | Amarande | (I'd say darnassus or exodar, but no one ever goes there anyway lulz) |
| 08:13.54 | Amarande | hell about the only time I go to Darnassus is when I'm teleing there on the mage to get back to Kalimdor after doing stuff in the EK |
| 08:14.41 | Dagmar | I could swear it used to be something a bit more potent than +3% crit |
| 08:16.48 | bluspacecow | \o guys |
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| 08:20.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean especially since that's more like 2-2.5% crit in reality? |
| 08:20.28 | Amarande | thanks to crit suppression? |
| 08:21.06 | Amarande | and yes, crit suppression is a very real phenomenon ... I didn't know about it till recently myself, but apparently you never crit quite as often as your character screen says :) |
| 08:21.30 | Amarande | I learned about it from the fire mage forum at EJ (because apparently fire mages suffer the most from it) |
| 08:21.59 | Dagmar | No I thought it was +300 damage on hit originally |
| 08:22.06 | Dagmar | Like, 30% chance |
| 08:22.28 | Dagmar | I definitely remember being pretty excited about pwning the hell out of people with t |
| 08:23.05 | Dagmar | What? Crit suppression is rounding off? |
| 08:23.08 | Dagmar | I've never noticed mine being more than 5% off what it should be |
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| 08:28.04 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm not sure exactly what the math for crit suppression is |
| 08:28.10 | Amarande | only that it's an established fact that it exists |
| 08:28.21 | Amarande | I'm not sure if Blizzard has ever out and said that it exists, but the evidence that it does is too overwhelming |
| 08:28.29 | Amarande | as basically EVERY extended mage trial in particular has borne it out |
| 08:28.53 | Amarande | there are more people than I can count at the EJ mage forum who have spent extended periods of time flinging spells at dummies |
| 08:29.08 | Amarande | and they always come up noticeably short in recount on crit rate compared to what the char sheet says |
| 08:29.33 | Amarande | One such trial, one could write off to the RNG ... when *everyone*, including several different specs, always sees it, you know it's actually a hidden mechanic |
| 08:29.36 | Dagmar | Yeah but there's "noticeably" and "anyone gives a shit" |
| 08:29.47 | zenzio | I'm not arguing that such a suppression exists, but... "apparently you never crit quite as often as your character screen says" is a weird thing to say, since that's a crit *chance* message, not a crit percentage guarantee |
| 08:29.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: it's been considered important in determining the crit cap |
| 08:30.00 | Amarande | because for crit-heavy classes (fire mages, especially), knowing if and what the crit cap is is important |
| 08:30.05 | Dagmar | You can measure this stuff to three decimal places if you like, but at the end of the day, 4dps doesn't mean shit. |
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| 08:30.25 | Amarande | in particular, IIRC the crit suppression becomes greater the higher your crit |
| 08:30.38 | Amarande | which seems to make one wonder of the usefulness of stacking beyond a certain level |
| 08:31.14 | Amarande | and it was more or less fully proven by the fact that people with 50+% crit were getting non-critical hits on Loatheb |
| 08:31.40 | Dagmar | Um... "50+%" is not "100%" |
| 08:32.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: If you have 50%+ crit normally and get Fungal Creep |
| 08:32.13 | Dagmar | ...and frankly, it doesn't look profitable to try to just max the crap out of crit because you have to have something decent to mulitply it by to begin with |
| 08:32.16 | Amarande | you should not ever have a non-critical hit while that's active |
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| 08:32.32 | Amarande | remember, we're talking loatheb here |
| 08:32.40 | Amarande | where you get that "debuff" that gives you 50% crit bonus |
| 08:32.56 | zenzio | crit chance? |
| 08:33.15 | Amarande | not only that |
| 08:33.23 | Amarande | but that may be the very best buff in the game for most players |
| 08:33.29 | Dagmar | Well, it doesn't seem to be bothering hunters all that much, including myself |
| 08:33.30 | Amarande | because you cannot EVER pull aggro with it |
| 08:33.47 | Amarande | it not only gives +50% crit, but threat=0 for all abilities and attacks |
| 08:34.06 | Amarande | (I imagine it's curtains if the tank gets it though ... which may be why it's considered a *debuff*) |
| 08:34.35 | Dagmar | I'd like to think my guild could handle it |
| 08:34.37 | Dagmar | Hehe |
| 08:34.51 | Dagmar | God we pugged something tonight with a pug paladin tank who didn't turn his threat aura on |
| 08:34.54 | zenzio | pretty sure I got it once while tanking |
| 08:34.57 | Dagmar | ...or SOMETHING |
| 08:35.01 | zenzio | but it wasn't at the start, so I had enough aggro |
| 08:35.09 | Dagmar | My @#$@# raptor took aggro off him four or five times |
| 08:35.32 | Dagmar | ...and the dude was a freaking badge rabbit |
| 08:35.42 | Amarande | Loatheb is a very interesting battle, and also apparently one of the few soft enrage bosses left in WoW |
| 08:36.04 | Amarande | (how did hard enrage become such a common thing anyway ... it seems kind of a band-aid design technique really) |
| 08:36.11 | Dagmar | ...and yet is still a "pew pew moar" fight for hunters. |
| 08:36.21 | Dagmar | Amarande: They're mercy killings |
| 08:36.22 | Amarande | well, yeah, DPS races tend to be. :) |
| 08:36.38 | zenzio | I thought every fight was a pew pew moer fight for hunters (and DPSers) |
| 08:36.43 | Corrodias | what is soft enrage? |
| 08:36.45 | Dagmar | "If you haven't done it by now, you're doing something wrong. Regroup, and start over, bitches." |
| 08:37.05 | Amarande | Corrodias: Soft enrage is a boss design technique where there's an effective time limit imposed by the fact that damage is guaranteed eventually to overwhelm healing |
| 08:37.05 | Dagmar | zenzio: No there's actually quite a lot of places we can use misdirect and other nifty things |
| 08:37.16 | Amarande | but there is no "oops you're dead" move the boss uses after X minutes like "hard enrage" battles do |
| 08:37.21 | Dagmar | zenzio: Any time any kind of add is about, there's a good chance a hunter can do *something* to it |
| 08:37.30 | Corrodias | oh gool, like that big dude... grom or something |
| 08:37.33 | Amarande | Bosses like Illidan or Algalon have hard enrages. |
| 08:37.37 | Corrodias | *cool, i mean |
| 08:37.41 | Amarande | Ones like Faerlina or Loatheb have soft enrage. |
| 08:37.45 | Corrodias | i haven't played since BC |
| 08:37.55 | Corrodias | and never got that far |
| 08:38.09 | Dagmar | Hard enrage is over so fast you don't even have time to be humiliated |
| 08:38.11 | Corrodias | but i think i know what you mean |
| 08:38.20 | Amarande | Algalon's enrage, in particular, is possibly THE single most damaging attack IN ANY RPG. |
| 08:38.30 | Dagmar | Just one moment everythings going smooth, then the next... the boss will kinda shrug and start one-shotting eveyrone |
| 08:38.40 | Amarande | 600,000-700,000 or so BASE damage and IIRC he gets X10 damage when enraged as well |
| 08:38.52 | Amarande | I can't think of anything in any game that does over 7,000,000 at one shot |
| 08:38.54 | Corrodias | interesting design choice |
| 08:39.04 | Dagmar | Well, literally, it's a mercy killing |
| 08:39.17 | Amarande | Even Anima's overdrive in International FFX, which was the most damaging attack known before that to my knowledge, was only about 1.5M |
| 08:39.21 | zenzio | all this talk of enraging makes me want to use Naj'entus's enrage sound as my message sound again... "I've had enough of this... die! DIE!" |
| 08:39.36 | Dagmar | Haven't you ever been pounding away at some boss that has some form of self healing and sat there for 20 goddamn minutes clicking because you simply hit a stable point on both sides? |
| 08:39.50 | Amarande | But yeah, some bosses, like Faerlina and Loatheb, have effective time limits without the one shotting |
| 08:39.53 | Corrodias | can't say i have, no... |
| 08:40.00 | Dagmar | It's awful |
| 08:40.04 | Amarande | with Faerlina, eventually you can no longer cancel her enrage and will have to down her quickly before she outdamages the healers |
| 08:40.15 | zenzio | Dagmar: we had something like that in Naxx40 with Anub'Rekhan... because our tank was excellent at finding evade spots |
| 08:40.24 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 08:40.45 | Dagmar | Just imagine if Heigan had LOS issues like that |
| 08:40.52 | Dagmar | People would go insane |
| 08:41.08 | Amarande | with Loatheb, you have extremely limited healing opportunities (there's an Aura active 17 of every 20 seconds that reduces healing 100%), plus a virtually irresistable full raid shadow attack that does 4,000 (on top of his usual attacks) and is eventually cast every 15 sec |
| 08:41.40 | Dagmar | Yeah you're expected to regularly hop over those like hurdles on a track |
| 08:41.52 | zenzio | I wonder how much fun they had coming up with the name Loatheb for the original Naxx |
| 08:41.53 | Amarande | Given that the only ways you can STOP Inevitable Doom, are bubbles |
| 08:42.02 | Amarande | yeah, eventually you're out of luck |
| 08:42.27 | Dagmar | IF you can keep it together in there well enough to pound him good and hard tho, you get through it |
| 08:42.27 | Amarande | Iceblock, Cloak of Shadows, and Divine Shield are literally the ONLY things that stop ID damage from going through |
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| 08:42.51 | Amarande | you know what's weird about algalon's enrage, though? |
| 08:42.56 | Kalroth | You don't need to cancel Faerlinas enrage, just heal through it |
| 08:42.58 | Amarande | you actually get a few more seconds than advertised, from what I've read |
| 08:43.24 | Kalroth | Yes, he enrages while he's casting |
| 08:43.28 | zenzio | Kalroth: aye, I remember we did that occasionally in Naxx40 (my guild wasn't awesome) |
| 08:43.33 | Amarande | Yeah, he's always going to be in the middle of Big Bang at enrage |
| 08:43.37 | Amarande | and Big Bang has quite a long cast time |
| 08:43.43 | Dagmar | If your group's skills are weak and you fail at teamwork so the whole time you're spending keeping your butts in your pants, you die on those soft enrage bosses, gear or no |
| 08:44.04 | Amarande | so enrage really doesn't take place until 6:08 |
| 08:44.06 | Kalroth | zenzio: We cancelled enrage once in WotLK and offtanked the adds after realizing how easy it was :) |
| 08:44.21 | zenzio | in terms of damage difficulty, I actually liked the Hydross mechanic |
| 08:44.37 | Amarande | however, hard enrage seems unusual and kinda band-aidish to me, anyways |
| 08:44.45 | Amarande | it's also something that seems to virtually only be seen in WoW, too |
| 08:44.52 | Corrodias | it's so artificial |
| 08:45.05 | Kalroth | hard enrage is the only thing that makes fights such as Algalon hard |
| 08:45.07 | Amarande | the only other times I've seen it are on the secret boss in Persona 4, and one boss each in FF10 and FF12 |
| 08:45.11 | Kalroth | Otherwise you could just bring 10 healers |
| 08:45.17 | Corrodias | why didn't the boss do this attack before now? i dunno. because the blizzards say so. |
| 08:45.21 | Dagmar | Amarande: That's basically just a numbers check |
| 08:45.29 | Amarande | other than that, I don't think I've ever seen any hard enrages outside of WoW |
| 08:45.55 | Kalroth | Well WoW is a very easy game, so it needs them :) |
| 08:46.00 | Amarande | (Elizabeth will 9999 the whole party every 50 turns, while Overdrive Sin ends the game as soon as his bar is full and Demon Wall has that "eventually you go sqoosh" mechanic) |
| 08:46.04 | Corrodias | maybe they should have designed the game such that you can't heal forever |
| 08:46.18 | Amarande | Corrodias: yeah, that's in fact how some of the soft enrage bosses work |
| 08:46.20 | Amarande | like Loatheb |
| 08:46.20 | Dagmar | One of the things that used to bug me about Kara is that sometimes we'd get a tank who'd be all "gogogo" and that makes your eyes water after an hour or two of *constant* fighting |
| 08:46.21 | Corrodias | D: D: LIMITED RESOURCES? well, that's a thing of the past, amirite |
| 08:46.22 | Kalroth | Corrodias: They did, but then casuals whined that they wanted to raid too :) |
| 08:46.36 | Amarande | I think Vezax is fairly similar in a way, too, because you're doomed to oom eventually |
| 08:46.47 | Amarande | (does Vezax have a hard enrage too or just the mana thing?) |
| 08:46.55 | Dagmar | If they didn't kill you you would not like it |
| 08:47.00 | Kalroth | hard enrage too, Amarande |
| 08:47.11 | Dagmar | You seriously dont' want to be focusing on that for a half hour at a go |
| 08:47.49 | Corrodias | i must sleep. see ya. |
| 08:47.53 | Dagmar | It's only going to be fun for so long |
| 08:48.08 | Dagmar | ...then it turns into "this tedious crap I have to do for a half hour like it's a goddamn JRPG" |
| 08:48.31 | Dagmar | "Mechanic" it might be, but it's necessary |
| 08:48.37 | Amarande | heh, I'm trying to remember the last time I encountered a non-secret JRPG boss that took that long |
| 08:48.53 | Dagmar | Fucking half of them in goddamn FF XIII |
| 08:49.13 | Dagmar | I *really* hate some of those big ancient bosses |
| 08:49.29 | Amarande | and actually, the limited resources thing I've seen fairly often outside of WoW, but rarely within it for some reason :| |
| 08:49.38 | Dagmar | Freaking 20 minute bar tug of war involving as many buffs as you can find |
| 08:49.38 | Amarande | Xenosaga 2, in particular, was VICIOUS with that |
| 08:49.48 | Dagmar | ...and that is *par* time |
| 08:49.51 | Amarande | because healing was so laughably weak it was almost useless in most boss fights |
| 08:49.58 | Dagmar | One or two had a hard enrage |
| 08:50.11 | Amarande | and there was no guaranteed status removal either pretty much, everything had a *chance* to remove status |
| 08:50.19 | Amarande | really nerve wracking against mobs that slow, actually |
| 08:50.30 | Amarande | yes, *slow* is one of the deadliest statuses in XS2 |
| 08:50.39 | Amarande | for not one but two reasons |
| 08:50.51 | Dagmar | THey're applied like table salt in FF13 |
| 08:51.02 | Amarande | The thing about Slow in XS2 was the way the status mechanics worked |
| 08:51.11 | Dagmar | You just teach 'em two your AI monkeys, and put them in that mode |
| 08:51.14 | Amarande | in addition to there only being like one guaranteed status removal ability, and it cost *HP* to use |
| 08:51.40 | Amarande | Slow also halved your AGL ability, and it seems that AGL in Xenosaga works very nonlinearly, virtually exponentially |
| 08:51.49 | Dagmar | One sentinel plus two medics == you're not going to die, but how the crap do you step out of this stance and do damage the boss can't heal up |
| 08:51.51 | Amarande | AND, the real kicker |
| 08:52.09 | Dagmar | I wailed away on one of them for 45 minutes before saying eff it and looking up WTF I was doing wrong |
| 08:52.12 | Amarande | In XS2, you had L statuses and H statuses. If you got affected again by an L status before you could cure it, it turned into the corresponding H status. |
| 08:52.25 | Amarande | (There were also a few enemies that could do H statuses directly, but that was less common) |
| 08:52.31 | Amarande | the H status corresponding to L Slow, was H Stop. |
| 08:52.47 | Amarande | H Stop makes you get no turns AT ALL (not even by using Boost can you override this), does NOT wear off over time |
| 08:52.54 | Amarande | and if your entire party gets it ... it's an immediate Game Over |
| 08:53.18 | Amarande | (Particularly nerve wracking, thus, is the Dammerung dungeon ... in which you have only one character solo, and some of the mobs *do* use L Slow) |
| 08:53.36 | Amarande | But yeah, in XS2, healing was also very weak in general |
| 08:53.44 | Dagmar | At least in FF13 if you muff it, the auto-save was like, ten yards behind you |
| 08:53.49 | Amarande | even the stronger Medica spell only healed 10x your EATK stat |
| 08:54.20 | Dagmar | I am grateful for the mercy killing that enrage timers provide |
| 08:54.24 | Amarande | all stats were limited to double digits even at max level, there was no significant way to raise them, and you meanwhile had 4 digit HP and attack damage was balanced on that |
| 08:54.43 | Amarande | so you're talking some of the harder bosses were able to put out maybe 1500-2000 a hit with some of their best attacks |
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| 08:54.52 | Amarande | but you could never heal more than 990 on a single heal if I recall :| |
| 08:55.04 | Dagmar | Oh, am I wrong or are these people slowly teaching us Japanese or something with the spell names? |
| 08:55.15 | Amarande | and you had to use up a boost and two characters' turns to do an all-party Medica 2 (which is the only way to even get that 990 on the whole party) |
| 08:55.26 | Amarande | Dagmar: what are the spell names from FF13? |
| 08:55.30 | Amarande | still the usual FF ones, or something new? |
| 08:55.40 | Dagmar | The same weird stuff you see in almost *all* of these games |
| 08:56.00 | Dagmar | "Esuna", "Curaga" |
| 08:56.00 | Amarande | the only series I've seen lately with weird ass spell names is Shin Megami Tensei, and I'm actually quite foggy on where the names come from for most |
| 08:56.01 | Dagmar | ...and all the rather predictable conjugations |
| 08:56.17 | Amarande | I think the only one I recognize for absolute sure off the top of my head is the Megido series |
| 08:56.22 | Amarande | which is tied to the Biblical apocalypse |
| 08:56.38 | Amarande | but I don't know what the derivation for the higher level suffixed versions Megidola and Megidolaon are |
| 08:56.39 | Dagmar | Well, I'm sort of wondering if say, "-aga" has a specific meaning in some other language, even as a sound-alike |
| 08:57.03 | Amarande | Poor Megidolaon, though. |
| 08:57.08 | Amarande | It never really got to shine until DDS. |
| 08:57.24 | Amarande | It was actually very very weak for the "best" spell in the game in Nocturne |
| 08:57.43 | Amarande | when the strongest spell in the game causes only about 200 damage even when bosses use it on you, something's wrong :) |
| 08:57.47 | Dagmar | I won't be impressed with those bosses until one of them stops everything and makes you beat him at hopscotch. |
| 08:58.02 | Amarande | Dagmar: ugh, I don't care that much for gimmick bosses |
| 08:58.19 | Amarande | at least, not ones that require lots of player dexterity in a turn-based game, anyway :S |
| 08:58.45 | Amarande | Granted, Megidolaon could end your day in some cases, but that was more bosses deciding to kill you |
| 08:59.06 | Amarande | There were at least two or three bosses in Nocturne that sort of had a random length hard enrage |
| 08:59.15 | Amarande | but very random ... most of the time you'd never see it even over long battles |
| 08:59.20 | Jerub | ZorbaGama: how do i use QH+fire festival |
| 08:59.26 | Dagmar | Long battles == teh suck |
| 08:59.31 | Amarande | Had to do with the spells mobs had in SMT games that let them get extra turns |
| 08:59.49 | Amarande | Every now and then, you'd have a boss that knew one of those AND Megidolaon |
| 08:59.58 | Amarande | and if you were very very unlucky, what they'd do would be something fun like |
| 09:00.25 | Amarande | Maka-Kaja, Beast Eye, Maka-Kaja, Beast Eye, Maka-Kaja, Beast Eye, Maka-Kaja, Beast Eye, Megidolaon, Beast Eye, Megidolaon, Megidolaon |
| 09:00.33 | Amarande | and then you were just dead no matter what :) |
| 09:00.34 | Dagmar | Considering that it's basically a card battle with the other side throwing out cards like a retarded child, yeah that should be considered a bug |
| 09:01.07 | Amarande | because if you're actually maxed out on Maka-Kajas, Megidolaon can actually do a respectable 300+ damage to all |
| 09:01.17 | Amarande | and since the max HP is 999, if they throw three unblockables at 300-400 at you, down you go |
| 09:01.33 | Amarande | (and all Megido series spells cannot be resisted or immuned in any way ... although IIRC they CAN be dodged) |
| 09:01.53 | Dagmar | at least in FF13 you can do the "don't die" thing |
| 09:01.57 | Dagmar | Seriously. |
| 09:02.01 | Amarande | Dagmar: auto-life, you mean? :) |
| 09:02.11 | Dagmar | Sentinel + medic + medic pretty much means you can just stand there |
| 09:02.13 | Amarande | that's been a FF staple since FF4 or so when it was called Reraise |
| 09:02.29 | Dagmar | No, if your lead guy goes down, THAT'S IT. |
| 09:02.30 | Amarande | It was particularly ridiculous in FF10 |
| 09:02.43 | Dagmar | ...but when they're a sentinel, they're basically wearing sherman tanks |
| 09:02.46 | Amarande | Ahh, like Nocturne. |
| 09:03.09 | Amarande | (and really EVERY MegaTen game except for Persona 1 and 2 and Digital Devil Saga) |
| 09:03.17 | Dagmar | So you can easily do like I had to do lots... stand there, look carefully at the new mob, and try not to die while you figure out it's weakness |
| 09:03.34 | Dagmar | Thank god for the Libra spell |
| 09:03.43 | Amarande | Dagmar: but they took out Auto-life/Reraise in FF13? |
| 09:03.50 | Amarande | or do you game over before it triggers, even if you try to cast it on your lead guy? |
| 09:03.51 | Dagmar | 1. it's there. |
| 09:03.59 | Dagmar | 2. Your medics can just learn *raise* |
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| 09:04.25 | Amarande | auto life effects got particularly inane in FF10, though |
| 09:04.27 | Dagmar | You can have reraise on your main guy, but basically, in Sentiel mode, NOTHING will one-shot them |
| 09:04.44 | Amarande | basically the entire strategy for the entire monster arena was to equip auto-phoenix among your abilities on all characters |
| 09:04.48 | Amarande | carry a full stack of phoenix down |
| 09:04.54 | Amarande | and just wail on the mob with no regard for your lives |
| 09:05.01 | Dagmar | Assuming you weren't like stupid and made a little girl your sentinel with clothie gear and a pointy stick |
| 09:05.35 | Amarande | although really that was Auto-Phoenix and One MP Cost that were especially broken |
| 09:05.40 | Amarande | that and Rikku's overdrive |
| 09:05.42 | Dagmar | I gotta say tho... |
| 09:05.51 | Dagmar | The ass kicking in FF13 is really, really spectacular tho |
| 09:05.52 | Amarande | Auto-Life itself wasn't that imba normally, since it costs a fuckton of MP |
| 09:05.58 | Amarande | even ULTIMA doesn't cost as much as auto-life in 10 |
| 09:06.20 | Amarande | Ultima only needed 90 ... Auto-Life cost 97 |
| 09:06.34 | Amarande | And that's for one character. |
| 09:06.34 | Dagmar | There's points where you just have to be glad you're just pushing X as much as you like |
| 09:06.45 | Amarande | But once you got One MP Cost, yeah, everything got b0rked |
| 09:06.52 | Amarande | and Auto-Phoenix just made it worse |
| 09:06.53 | Dagmar | ...because you're going "Wooooooow at the fact that the screen is now full of fire, screaming, and people being slammed all over the room |
| 09:06.54 | Amarande | and Rikku's overdrive |
| 09:07.16 | Amarande | the trouble with Rikku's overdrive is not only is it broken, but it breaks even worse if you don't ever activate any of her HP spheres :) |
| 09:07.41 | Dagmar | Some of the monsters in FF13 can pretty much be rendered immediately immobilized, and kept there |
| 09:07.49 | Dagmar | Otherwise... you're snack food. |
| 09:07.53 | Amarande | mainly because the masoch ... er ... "Stoic" overdrive mode was based on ratio of damage taken to your max HP, rather than absolute damage taken |
| 09:07.59 | Amarande | Rikku has the least HP of any character to begin with. |
| 09:08.15 | Dagmar | That's the b*tch who took my sh*t isn't it |
| 09:08.28 | Amarande | That was Yuffie. |
| 09:08.40 | Amarande | Rikku also has a mix called Hyper Mighty G that adds nearly every beneficial status to you ... Shell, Protect, Haste, Regen, AND Auto-Life |
| 09:08.48 | Amarande | so not only does it turn your party into supertanks |
| 09:08.55 | Amarande | but if you never upgrade her HP, you can see the story right away |
| 09:09.36 | Amarande | breaks virtually any battle in the game once you have mats to mix her HMG and are careful to go into every tough fight with her overdrive up :) |
| 09:09.36 | Amarande | Boss uses super attack that hits everyone. |
| 09:09.47 | Amarande | Rikku of course dies, since she has almost no HP ... but because the damage is so massive compared to her 380 or so HP |
| 09:10.00 | Amarande | not only does her auto-life take care of the dying thing, but it also fully fills her overdrive AGAIN |
| 09:10.06 | Amarande | and she can just apply auto-life again, and again, and again ... |
| 09:10.11 | Dagmar | hahah nifty |
| 09:10.22 | Amarande | even if you do upgrade her HP, it's still fairly broken |
| 09:10.31 | Amarande | since a lot of harder bosses do obscene five-digit damage sometimes |
| 09:10.42 | Amarande | particularly in the arena which is what you'd really use it for |
| 09:11.04 | Amarande | I suppose Yunalesca could still ruin your day, anyway... Regen + Zombie isn't fun |
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| 09:11.24 | Amarande | and Mega Death doesn't do damage so I don't think it triggers Stoic at all |
| 09:11.51 | Amarande | and Mega Death actually has a respectable hit rate compared to most FF death spells |
| 09:11.57 | Amarande | which I think we went over the other night are utter shit :) |
| 09:12.24 | Dagmar | Reliable death spells == suck |
| 09:12.34 | Amarande | Dagmar: MegaTen did it pretty well. |
| 09:12.44 | Amarande | Except for the annoying part of main character death being game over |
| 09:12.46 | Dagmar | MegaTen is a grinder |
| 09:13.02 | Dagmar | oh other MegaTen I guess |
| 09:13.10 | Amarande | but they kinda gave you a helping hand in Nocturne at least |
| 09:13.21 | Amarande | because you actually have a 50% resistance standard to both forms of instant death |
| 09:13.39 | Amarande | unless your magatama says "weak" in which case you still only have normal chance for the spell to work (unlike demons who are weak, for which the chance is 50% better than normal) |
| 09:14.18 | Amarande | and the *really* reliable death spells either cost a ton of MP (White Rider, God's Bow costs 20MP and is single target) |
| 09:14.32 | Amarande | or were available too late to be really abused (Death Flies, had to be in upper 90s levels) |
| 09:17.57 | Elkano | hmm... tanking is fun... especially if you still end up first in damage... :/ |
| 09:18.09 | Dagmar | Hahah |
| 09:18.17 | Dagmar | Damn DKs |
| 09:18.32 | Elkano | yeah ^^ |
| 09:19.05 | Elkano | had more damadge then 3rd and 4th combined... feels kind of wrong though |
| 09:19.28 | Elkano | especially since on of them was two levels higher than I am |
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| 09:23.45 | Spejnar | Elkano: what class and lvl? some tanks do crazy aoe dmg and they win dmg over most classes at low lvls |
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| 09:24.01 | Elkano | 73 Blood-DK |
| 09:24.05 | Spejnar | hmm |
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| 09:30.18 | Jerub | Elkano: that was most of my tanking career as a warrior in heirlooms |
| 09:30.45 | Amarande | also, depending on the instance, you can often get away with equipping a fair amount of dps gear on a tank |
| 09:30.58 | Amarande | particularly if you've got a bunch of T9+ tanking items and are doing heroics |
| 09:31.24 | Amarande | (this can actually be helpful in heroics sometimes, because more dps = more threat = pug players not QQing about pulling) |
| 09:31.36 | Spejnar | yup, considering you started doing heroics pre 25k hp you can use quite a lot of dps gear ^^ |
| 09:32.03 | Amarande | although there's some places where tanks are so strangled by survival needs that their threat suffers |
| 09:32.16 | Amarande | apparently, DWSR mentioned having issues with his DK tank vis-a-vis the other tank in threat in ICC25H |
| 09:32.19 | Dagmar | Those would be the places hunter pet tanks get squished |
| 09:32.37 | Dagmar | ...although part of that might be 4-manning them. |
| 09:32.39 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 09:32.45 | Amarande | and ICC25H is apparently so demanding on tank survival that you can't afford even one or two DPS gear swap-ins to raise threat |
| 09:32.50 | Amarande | because then you just go sqoosh |
| 09:33.04 | Spejnar | yea, problem is you cant tank most HM bosses in frost spec until you outgear it |
| 09:33.13 | Spejnar | because 22k tps without even trying is op as fuck |
| 09:33.26 | Spejnar | 0 survivability sucks |
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| 09:33.32 | Amarande | did you remember to staple those tps reports, Spejnar |
| 09:33.38 | Spejnar | I sure did |
| 09:33.49 | Jerub | discovered: silithus |
| 09:33.54 | Spejnar | but actually its my hunter doing 11k dps and 15k tps, I have no idea how that works though.. |
| 09:33.55 | Jerub | ah the first festival |
| 09:34.07 | Amarande | Jerub: welcome to one of the more fun zones in WoW :) |
| 09:34.19 | Amarande | not to mention an EXTREMELY lucrative zone |
| 09:34.21 | Jerub | Amarande: i quested here on my main |
| 09:34.28 | Jerub | but right now: fire festival. |
| 09:34.40 | Amarande | because essence of air drops like candy from the air elementals, and usually sells for stupid high prices despite that |
| 09:35.02 | Amarande | actually I think I know WHY it sells for stupid high prices, though |
| 09:35.06 | Jerub | i'm just here for the fires ma'am |
| 09:35.07 | Amarande | because it's part of AGI+15 for twink rogues |
| 09:35.16 | Amarande | and twink hunters |
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| 09:36.39 | Dagmar | Amarande: Because it's a long bloody ride out to where they are |
| 09:36.42 | Amarande | (AGI+15 dual wield is standard twink hunter setup, right?) |
| 09:36.52 | Spejnar | crusader ftw |
| 09:36.55 | Spejnar | free heals |
| 09:36.58 | Amarande | Spejnar: h-u-n-t-e-r |
| 09:37.06 | Spejnar | I sure am |
| 09:37.08 | Amarande | you dont use crusader on hunters, silly :) |
| 09:37.11 | Spejnar | ofc not for huntards |
| 09:37.22 | Spejnar | I use melee proccs on my huntard! durr |
| 09:37.35 | Spejnar | BM melee hunter and still win dps ^^ |
| 09:37.36 | Amarande | sadly, I have seen a few hunters with proc-based melee enchants on their geer |
| 09:37.42 | Dagmar | Somewhere around here I've got a few screenshots from Kara kills where I got lucky |
| 09:37.47 | Dagmar | Hunter, with a melee blow. |
| 09:37.52 | Spejnar | haha |
| 09:38.07 | Amarande | actually, there was a point around 40-50 especially where I actually didn't care too much about pulling mobs off the pet |
| 09:38.19 | Amarande | mainly because I had dual mithril axes with +15AGI |
| 09:38.25 | Amarande | (those axes have AP on them) |
| 09:38.37 | Amarande | so I had so much AP I was still doing fairly decent damage even in melee, on solo questing anyway |
| 09:38.44 | Amarande | after 50, it started sucking again though |
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| 09:39.03 | Amarande | or maybe it's just that where I was questing 50-55 tended to suck |
| 09:39.07 | Amarande | fucking Jaedenar |
| 09:39.25 | Amarande | mobs with fireball are WAY too OP at that level |
| 09:39.52 | Amarande | and Jaede often puts you against 2-3 at once |
| 09:40.15 | Amarande | then there's the goddamn dogs with mana burn to add insult to injury |
| 09:40.37 | Amarande | yay, give me multiple mobs that deal ridiculous dps AND leave me OOMing even more than usual :P |
| 09:40.55 | Dagmar | Learn some CC. |
| 09:41.07 | Amarande | Dagmar: traps are hard to use against casters |
| 09:41.13 | Amarande | the melee mobs were fairly easy |
| 09:41.25 | Amarande | it was the casters that were deadly, especially with the dogs knocking out so much of your mana |
| 09:41.28 | Dagmar | Drop at caster mob's feet. |
| 09:41.38 | Dagmar | It's not like they're going to backstab you through an ice block |
| 09:42.01 | Dagmar | ...or nerf them with your pet and kill them first |
| 09:42.22 | Amarande | hmm, I'm trying to remember if tenacity gets anything anti-caster |
| 09:42.33 | Dagmar | Intimidation does a damn good job |
| 09:42.39 | Dagmar | *whack* Pet stun. |
| 09:42.39 | Amarande | I've been using a Croc since 39 |
| 09:42.56 | Amarande | before that I had a spider ... but Mog stopped holding aggro sufficiently |
| 09:43.04 | Amarande | remember, I'm MM, so pulling aggro from the pet is a big issue |
| 09:43.12 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 09:43.15 | Dagmar | Kill greens ;) |
| 09:43.36 | Dagmar | Leave the wholesale slaughter to the BMs |
| 09:43.43 | Amarande | however, since MM is probably the best for raiding, it's probably the best to learn |
| 09:44.03 | Amarande | BM is still fairly bad for raiding even after the avoidance fixes |
| 09:44.13 | Dagmar | Shore |
| 09:44.16 | Amarande | though I still remember BM at its worst |
| 09:44.25 | Amarande | basically, when 3.1 was still new |
| 09:44.28 | Dagmar | They'v buffed it pretty damn well now |
| 09:44.32 | Amarande | there was MASSIVE QQ from BM hunters that Ulduar basically DESTROYED BM raiding |
| 09:44.38 | Amarande | and it did, pretty much |
| 09:44.41 | Dagmar | Last week we did Icecream Citadel and I murdered the charts |
| 09:44.54 | Amarande | because basically EVERY DAMN BOSS in Ulduar was a "here's lots MORE fire than usual not to stand in" |
| 09:45.00 | Dagmar | >6000 DPS and #2 the entire time |
| 09:45.08 | Dagmar | The only one ahead of me was a DK in way, way better gear |
| 09:45.11 | Amarande | so BM hunters were spending so much time taking care of their pets that DPS was suffering noticeably |
| 09:45.25 | Dagmar | Oh yes, that's the reason I bought a mouse with two thumb buttons |
| 09:45.25 | Jerub | ah feralas, how i hate ye |
| 09:45.44 | Amarande | granted, there was fire in naxx |
| 09:45.47 | Dagmar | It absolutely trivializes any mess with worrying about where your pet is. |
| 09:45.52 | Amarande | but ulduar was like fire/voidzone *city* |
| 09:46.02 | Dagmar | That was the only way I could hang in there and not lose DPS |
| 09:46.14 | Dagmar | No GCDs were ever really blown moving my pet around |
| 09:46.39 | Jerub | i asked ealrier today, but didn't get a response i liked |
| 09:46.43 | Amarande | as for MM vs. Surv, is there a clearly superior one lately or is it still a matter of taste mainly? |
| 09:46.44 | Jerub | what's a good healing rate for dreamwalker |
| 09:46.56 | Amarande | personally it seems to me MM should be better for most pewpew fights |
| 09:46.58 | olafski | as quick as possible |
| 09:47.00 | Jerub | i'm trying to figure out where the fail was for our attempt last night |
| 09:47.08 | Amarande | while Surv would mostly only be better for ones where traps are particularly important |
| 09:47.34 | Amarande | Jerub: you mean you didn't blame the DPS yet? |
| 09:47.35 | Jerub | olafski: i'm after quantitie |
| 09:47.37 | Amarande | you always blame the DPS. |
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| 09:47.47 | Amarande | It's simple: If the DPS was too low, it's the DPS's fault. |
| 09:47.54 | Jerub | tbh, i wanted to blame the raidleader |
| 09:48.05 | Amarande | If the tank went down because the healer went OOM, that means the DPS didn't take down the boss fast enough, so it's the DPS's fault. |
| 09:48.05 | Jerub | but i was the sole pugged person in a guild run |
| 09:48.17 | Jerub | Amarande: i'm talking about dreamwalker |
| 09:48.26 | Jerub | oh wait, you don't raid |
| 09:48.27 | Amarande | The DPS are only off the hook if it's the tank's fault for letting the mob nom the healer :) |
| 09:48.34 | Amarande | haven't really had much opportunity to raid |
| 09:48.39 | Amarande | the GS requirements on Turalyon were obscene |
| 09:48.49 | Jerub | Amarande: dreamwalker is a frigging weird fight. there's this big dragon. |
| 09:48.54 | Jerub | Amarande: and you have to heal her to full |
| 09:49.17 | Amarande | (and it doesn't look like the ones on Silvermoon will be any better ... think they might even be worse ... you could get a raid in Turalyon with 5-5.5k but from what I'm seeing of the wow-heroes GS some folks are posting it looks like it's closer to 6k to PUG on Silvermoon Alliance) |
| 09:49.29 | Amarande | Jerub: so a reverse DPS race? :) |
| 09:49.34 | Jerub | i'm just trying to figure out what sort of solo healing healing rate i should be seeing on the meters before i blame someone other than the healers |
| 09:49.37 | Jerub | Amarande: exactly. |
| 09:50.04 | Jerub | (i was a healer and topping the meters on this fight) |
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| 09:50.24 | olafski | you should probably mention if it's 10 or 25 and N or H, jerub |
| 09:50.26 | Amarande | Jerub: sure it's not a class issue? |
| 09:50.33 | Amarande | I'd imagine that certain healing classes probably have a harder time of it? |
| 09:50.43 | olafski | yes, so you put those classes on raid healing |
| 09:51.01 | Amarande | methinks you might need more holydins |
| 09:51.18 | Jerub | olafski: oh, 10man norm |
| 09:51.33 | Jerub | i was topping the meter as a resto druid |
| 09:51.38 | Amarande | you know, I'd expect Dreamwalker is actually harder on 10 than 25 |
| 09:51.43 | Amarande | quite the reverse of every other raid boss |
| 09:51.45 | Jerub | we had a pally and a priest, and we ttried 4 healing it |
| 09:52.00 | Jerub | (with a second druid) |
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| 09:53.49 | Jerub | oh, dinner smells good |
| 09:53.58 | Jerub | *goes to pay attention to it* |
| 09:54.02 | Amarande | so apparently some prominent raiders are thinking cata might actually really kill off the 25-man raid guild for good |
| 09:54.12 | Amarande | except among the people who love 25-man for its own sake |
| 09:54.22 | Amarande | but among gear progressionists, 25 will quite likely die |
| 09:54.38 | A-KO | there isn't anyone that likes 25 "for its own sake" |
| 09:54.42 | A-KO | sorry |
| 09:54.43 | zenzio | I do |
| 09:55.05 | Amarande | apparently the trouble is it's simply better gear-wise to split your 25-man raid into two 10's and PUG five extras to go with the other five people |
| 09:55.11 | A-KO | zenzio: good luck finding 25 people that actually share that sentiment, keep in mind, you can't scale back up--so if you have people that don't show up, and you scale down to 10's, that's it for the week--10 mans. |
| 09:55.23 | Amarande | then only do the 25's for achievements when you've geared up from the 10's |
| 09:55.30 | A-KO | achievements will cover both 10 and 25 |
| 09:55.32 | Jerub | Amarande: raiders no longer required to spend huge % of time wrangling raids, can play game more. news at 11. |
| 09:55.46 | zenzio | A-KO: I'm in no way expecting that to be easy. In fact that very fact has made me think I might ditch WoW once I finish all the new quests |
| 09:56.14 | Jerub | tbh, i liked 25s with a really good RL i had |
| 09:56.17 | olafski | why would valithria be easier on 25man than on 10? |
| 09:56.21 | olafski | they'll just scale it to be more difficult |
| 09:56.30 | Amarande | olafski: because you have room to add more healers into the raid as a whole |
| 09:56.30 | Jerub | he actually drilled his raid, they had excellent communication and mobility |
| 09:56.33 | olafski | I liked 40s with a good RL I had too.. haven't found one since then |
| 09:56.37 | Amarande | without having to keep swapping people in and out for the one fight |
| 09:56.38 | A-KO | Even the top end, hardcore guilds will have trouble--every guild has trouble from time to time, and as soon as that day comes, they'll start sticking only to 10-mans. |
| 09:57.03 | A-KO | It is 100% impossible to make a 10 and a 25 man as hard as each other, it just is |
| 09:57.04 | Amarande | and swapping people in and out for single raid fights is bad mmmkay? |
| 09:57.15 | A-KO | due to different fight characteristics not even including having to account for a wider variety of group make-ups |
| 09:57.41 | Amarande | and anyway, once you're at progression raid point |
| 09:57.52 | A-KO | If the classes were closer together in what they could do, it'd be different--but it's not. |
| 09:57.55 | A-KO | You'll see swapping |
| 09:58.00 | Amarande | is there really that much else to DO besides farming (dailies are pretty much farming after the first two or three times :P) and raiding? |
| 09:58.13 | Amarande | (well, I guess you could redo the same content over and over on alts, but it's the ... same content :S) |
| 09:58.30 | olafski | I found plenty of things to do without raiding |
| 09:58.43 | olafski | though I did cancel my sub a few months ago.. with cata I imagine I'll be busy for at least 6 more months |
| 09:58.55 | Amarande | A-KO: except swapping is a good way to piss people off |
| 09:59.13 | A-KO | Amarande: It will be even more required in 10-mans, as there are invariably going to fights that favor a particular class over another |
| 09:59.20 | Amarande | yay for telling someone that because they have to heal on valithria they're only getting one frost badge that week from that flavor of ICC |
| 09:59.24 | zenzio | in my opinion, I don't think WoW's going in a bad direction; I'm just not sure it's a direction I'm personally interested in |
| 09:59.49 | A-KO | zenzio: Once their hardcore players dry up and move to the "next big thing", the casual gamers will follow |
| 09:59.52 | A-KO | that's just how it goes |
| 09:59.58 | Amarande | because presumably they're going to be swapped out after valithria for a damage dealer |
| 10:00.03 | A-KO | Blizzard needs to read/listen to the TED talk about Moskowitz |
| 10:00.09 | Amarande | but will be saved for the week after that |
| 10:00.16 | A-KO | great talk |
| 10:00.23 | A-KO | the idea is this: You cannot make one thing appealing to everyone |
| 10:00.27 | A-KO | trying is futile |
| 10:00.43 | A-KO | there is no "perfect raid style", there are only "perfect raid styles" :P |
| 10:00.47 | zenzio | A-KO: for big MMOs, it is. If you can find a fringe one you like, you're more likely to have it remain in the same style it's always been |
| 10:00.57 | Amarande | hell, come to think of it |
| 10:01.08 | Amarande | I wonder if there's guilds where there are raiders who get heavily delayed or maybe don't even get to get kingslayer at all |
| 10:01.18 | A-KO | there are |
| 10:01.19 | Amarande | because they're forced to reserve their raid save to be swapped in to heal valithria |
| 10:01.31 | Amarande | and then get swapped out right after to bring back the damage dealer they replaced |
| 10:01.34 | Amarande | and thus never get to see LK at all |
| 10:01.47 | Amarande | what kind of deal is THAT? |
| 10:01.51 | olafski | if a scrub guild like my GF's can do that I'm sure the top guilds won't even think twice about doing such a thing |
| 10:02.11 | Amarande | that's the sort of healer who's eventually going to ditch you for trade channel pugs once their gs is high enough :P |
| 10:02.33 | Amarande | and it's not like healers are dime a dozen like dps :P |
| 10:02.44 | olafski | as usual you're seeing problems where there probably are none |
| 10:02.51 | A-KO | http://www.ted.com/talks/malcolm_gladwell_on_spaghetti_sauce.html < Blizzard needs to watch that |
| 10:03.05 | Amarande | olafski: well, I know I'd be pissed off if I was one of the one or two healers that never got to get kingslayer |
| 10:03.12 | olafski | you'd be pissed off about a great many things |
| 10:03.13 | Amarande | because I was always kept in reserve for valithria |
| 10:03.19 | olafski | we've all been witness for that :P |
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| 10:03.46 | A-KO | Amarande: Seemingly with a lot of 10-mans that will form, out of the current 25's that means there will always be 5 leftover players from every guild--so you should be able to find even more groups to run with |
| 10:03.54 | A-KO | as those 5 in each guild that got left out will quit to find another group |
| 10:04.04 | Amarande | remember, the other healers are going to get 12x as many frost badges and 12x as many drop chances as the valithria extras |
| 10:04.06 | A-KO | so it's not a big deal |
| 10:04.25 | Amarande | so they're rapidly going to outgear the extras, who will thus probably always be relegated to one-boss duty |
| 10:04.47 | Dagmar | Doubtful in the extreme |
| 10:04.49 | Amarande | valithria was a neat fight idea |
| 10:04.50 | A-KO | I dunno, I think what Blizzard is doing is futile. |
| 10:04.53 | Amarande | but it causes strain like that |
| 10:05.06 | A-KO | but only time will tell |
| 10:05.16 | A-KO | But I'm almost positive 25's will MOSTLY be gone |
| 10:05.16 | Amarande | unless that's why pugs are always asking for "healer with dps offspec" |
| 10:05.23 | Dagmar | It's far, far easier to fill in the gaps on a 10-man |
| 10:05.47 | Dagmar | They're looking for a healer who can switch to DPS if it turns out they don't have enough |
| 10:05.48 | Amarande | because really that's the only way to stay in the raid to get 12/12 in such a situation |
| 10:06.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: also perhaps DPS who can heal for Val |
| 10:06.22 | Amarande | remember |
| 10:06.37 | Amarande | NO ONE is going to join your stinking pug to do only one boss and then be kicked out so a damager can be brought in |
| 10:06.46 | Dagmar | No. |
| 10:06.51 | Dagmar | I would just for giggles. |
| 10:06.54 | Amarande | that's the sort of sacrifice that only guild groups get away with, and only because people have loyalty to the guild :P |
| 10:07.05 | Dagmar | You dramatically underestimate the number of people who are not raiders simply because they don't bother. |
| 10:07.24 | Dagmar | It doesn't bother me to burn an ICC instance for one boss |
| 10:07.33 | Dagmar | It's not like I'm in there more than once a month anyway |
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| 10:20.21 | Fisker | anyone here had a look at "wtfast" and checked what it's doing? |
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| 10:25.09 | DJJeff | its all fucking AT&Ts fault |
| 10:25.10 | DJJeff | seriously |
| 10:25.14 | DJJeff | how do I fix this |
| 10:25.15 | DJJeff | http://screencast.com/t/ODgyYmMzY |
| 10:25.26 | DJJeff | ^^^^^^ screenshot of trace route to my realm |
| 10:25.56 | DJJeff | 700 ms latency from AT&T |
| 10:26.11 | DJJeff | I get about 20-40 ms from google |
| 10:26.23 | Amarande | it's apparently the fault of the interfacing between Level3 and AT&T |
| 10:26.29 | Amarande | so who knows whose fault it really is :| |
| 10:26.43 | Amarande | could be a bad peering node in general |
| 10:26.55 | Amarande | in which case anyone who's not on AT&T's network is fucked |
| 10:26.59 | Amarande | which realm is that, btw? |
| 10:27.59 | Amarande | actually I've been seeing some weird lag while casting mage spells |
| 10:28.07 | Amarande | (and for some reason the lag swells enormously while casting ...) |
| 10:28.33 | DJJeff | trace route is great for testing problems eh :) |
| 10:29.34 | Amarande | ok, I'm going to say Level3 and AT&T have a bad peering node there |
| 10:29.44 | Amarande | there's an expectable ping jump crossing over onto AT&T from me to my realm, too |
| 10:29.47 | Amarande | but nowhere near so severe |
| 10:30.00 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.01 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.01 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.18 | Amarande | looks like it's bad in Seattle |
| 10:30.25 | Amarande | and OK in New York |
| 10:30.50 | DJJeff | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.50 | DJJeff | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.50 | DJJeff | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.31 | Amarande | Yup. Level3 and AT&T are neglecting the care and feeding of their routers out there, it would seem |
| 10:32.18 | Amarande | wow, that's *weird*, too |
| 10:32.25 | DJJeff | what is? |
| 10:32.26 | DJJeff | lol |
| 10:32.28 | Amarande | apparently my battlegroup has servers from all four time zones |
| 10:32.48 | Amarande | one of only two battlegroups in which that's the case |
| 10:33.04 | Amarande | and the only one to have *multiple* servers from each US time zone |
| 10:36.21 | zenzio | so you're in the misfit battlegroup =D |
| 10:37.10 | Amarande | heh |
| 10:37.11 | Amarande | reckoning |
| 10:37.14 | A-KO | AT&T can't do anything right :P |
| 10:37.21 | Amarande | A-KO: true |
| 10:37.28 | Amarande | did I ever tell you of my cell service experience at Dragon Con? |
| 10:38.08 | Amarande | Wheel of Time track room. Hyatt Motor Lobby level, so basically B3F. |
| 10:38.10 | Amarande | Full service. |
| 10:38.23 | Amarande | Peachtree food court. Around 1F or B1 or so level. NO SERVICE. |
| 10:38.29 | Amarande | Weird ass stuff. |
| 10:41.49 | zenzio | "my biggest fail is prolly when i started playin serious, late TBC.. got to lvl 68,7 before someone told me there was this addon call'd "questhelper" =) good lord i was piss'd..." |
| 10:42.04 | zenzio | it amuses me that people consider questing without addons to be a fail |
| 10:52.40 | DJJeff | there are helpfull addons |
| 10:52.42 | DJJeff | and there are |
| 10:52.47 | DJJeff | omfg your lazy addons |
| 10:52.51 | DJJeff | like healbot |
| 10:52.54 | DJJeff | cough cough |
| 10:53.27 | DJJeff | and there are omfg your epeen is so god damn huge like recount and gearscore |
| 10:54.03 | zenzio | in the case I thought it was obvious that I was talking about quest addons, given the !questhelper" part |
| 10:54.19 | DJJeff | I know |
| 10:54.28 | DJJeff | you were talking about quest helper |
| 10:54.37 | DJJeff | im talking about addons in general |
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| 11:11.18 | olafski | what does healbot do that's so bad? |
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| 11:23.09 | foxlit | "Here, players experienced events past and future, including the eventual torturing of Bolvar Fordragon at the hands of the Lich King." << Unless they happened to be a healer without a magic dispel :( |
| 11:28.45 | zenzio | Bolvar was tortured? |
| 11:29.41 | olafski | yes |
| 11:29.47 | olafski | you can see that in one of yogg saron's visions |
| 11:30.23 | zenzio | when was that; before or after he was scorched? |
| 11:31.46 | zenzio | or was it unspecified? |
| 11:31.48 | foxlit | and by scorched you mean wrath gate. |
| 11:32.00 | zenzio | that would be a better phrasing, yes |
| 11:32.41 | foxlit | After, then, since he wasn't captured by the lich king until after the gate. |
| 11:33.37 | zenzio | so he was captured? I never followed what happened after Wrathgate; assumed he just got scorched right there in front of the place |
| 11:33.51 | zenzio | (and no, I've never raided ICC) |
| 11:34.03 | foxlit | It's a bit of a problem, really. |
| 11:34.16 | foxlit | Arthas leaves; dragons scorch everything, you never find anyone's body. |
| 11:34.36 | foxlit | Scourge Fedex must've picked them up sometime after the dragons and before the cinematic. |
| 11:34.49 | foxlit | ^ends. |
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| 11:34.59 | zenzio | I see |
| 11:36.32 | foxlit | "DKs can't tank Ahune" |
| 11:37.12 | Zyn | tank Ahune |
| 11:37.16 | Zyn | dohohoho |
| 11:37.25 | foxlit | Hey, no laughing. |
| 11:37.38 | foxlit | I just had a 2-melee PuG throw themselves at his knockback non-stop. |
| 11:37.47 | foxlit | "But we must attack the big bad!" |
| 11:38.02 | olafski | ahune is up now? better tell the lady |
| 11:38.16 | Zyn | up for two weeks |
| 11:38.36 | Zyn | got the scythe and caster cloak on my drood already, happy times ... less happy time for my lock :< |
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| 11:39.38 | foxlit | I'm in the annoying position when I still have 226 offspec items, but no bosses anyone raids drop upgrades. |
| 11:39.49 | zenzio | that's a lot of offspec items |
| 11:40.03 | foxlit | Belt, bracers, neck. |
| 11:40.41 | foxlit | (though, to be fair, frost vendor has belts -- it's just that emblems of frost are scarce) |
| 11:41.00 | olafski | zenzio: :) |
| 11:41.13 | Zyn | if only one could use emblems for alts |
| 11:41.29 | Zyn | they'd be decked out in gear :/ |
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| 11:42.14 | airtonix | does internet explorer support animated png ? http://animatedpng.com/index.php/category/samples/ |
| 11:42.43 | olafski | doesn't look like it |
| 11:42.47 | olafski | IE7 doesn't anyway |
| 11:42.47 | airtonix | thanks |
| 11:43.03 | airtonix | chrome doesnt either |
| 11:43.09 | airtonix | mozilla does though |
| 11:43.16 | olafski | yeah |
| 11:43.17 | airtonix | and opera |
| 11:43.18 | zenzio | my IE8 doesn't |
| 11:44.02 | airtonix | i wonder if there is a directx filter i can load for IE |
| 11:47.02 | airtonix | this claims to do the job : http://www.squaregoldfish.co.uk/software/animated-png/ |
| 11:47.16 | airtonix | at least the demo png is animating in chrome |
| 11:47.58 | airtonix | :( unpacked image swapping |
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| 11:51.28 | olafski | works in IE7 too |
| 11:52.12 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: which type of animated png is that? |
| 11:52.16 | Arrowmaster | there are two |
| 11:52.57 | airtonix | you mean as in 8 or 24bit ? |
| 11:53.14 | Arrowmaster | no there are two completely different methods of animated pngs |
| 11:53.22 | airtonix | ok explain |
| 11:53.51 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics#Animation |
| 11:55.02 | Arrowmaster | and that samples page didnt have any animated pngs for me on firefox 3.5 |
| 11:58.07 | airtonix | o'right i didn't actually check using firefox |
| 11:58.33 | Arrowmaster | oh im really using iceweasel 3.5 and that seems to be why |
| 11:58.34 | Arrowmaster | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486209 |
| 11:59.05 | airtonix | i have 3.6.6pre |
| 11:59.13 | Arrowmaster | mozilla likes to patch libraries and that doesnt work well on a 'real' system |
| 12:03.20 | airtonix | i love those voice samples from old scifi shows used in dnb |
| 12:03.30 | airtonix | "Greetings Starfighter" |
| 12:03.48 | Arrowmaster | that movie was awesome |
| 12:04.08 | airtonix | is it the one where they recruit people that win their arcade game ? |
| 12:04.33 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 12:56.23 | Proditor | Anyone who's got any ideas of a good place to advertise for addon developers? |
| 12:57.41 | Proditor | Besides this channel :p |
| 13:01.15 | jnwhiteh | that's a good question, I'm not sure |
| 13:01.35 | jnwhiteh | other than the community sites, and 90% of the time the posts are too vague and don't have enough information to actually attract any authors |
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| 13:05.23 | MoonWitch | poke @ Cairenn :P |
| 13:05.49 | Proditor | Well, I'm looking for developers who may be interested in maintaining and developing Gladius. Wish there was some kind of developer forum where you could recruit people :p |
| 13:06.52 | zenzio | Gladius? |
| 13:07.01 | olafski | it's a small sword |
| 13:07.57 | Proditor | Look it up on Curse/WoWI |
| 13:08.31 | zenzio | not that interested :-p |
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| 13:09.21 | Kraps | http://xkcd.com/756/ |
| 13:11.33 | Xinhuan | oh i think most people know what Gladius is ;p |
| 13:11.43 | Xinhuan | its more the lack of interest i think |
| 13:12.47 | zenzio | I don't recall hearing about Gladius before, is it really that common? |
| 13:12.57 | Proditor | It's the most widely used PvP addon |
| 13:13.08 | Xinhuan | its like the most widely used arena frames addon |
| 13:13.09 | Proditor | or arena addon, rather |
| 13:13.11 | zenzio | ah, PvP... that would explain it |
| 13:13.27 | Xinhuan | can't possibly pvp without having heard of it |
| 13:13.41 | olafski | I used proximo or something |
| 13:13.47 | olafski | for arena.. but meh @ pvp :P |
| 13:24.06 | Fisker | so olafski |
| 13:24.08 | Fisker | want to make out? |
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| 13:26.33 | Wella | Hi anyone |
| 13:26.37 | Wella | Living or dead |
| 13:26.44 | Wella | ...or, both |
| 13:27.30 | Kalroth | begins to munch on Wella |
| 13:27.35 | Kalroth | Mmm, zombie food |
| 13:27.37 | Wella | Lol |
| 13:27.59 | Wella | I am still adapting to the WoWi forums compared to other ones I've been on ¬¬ |
| 13:28.26 | Kalroth | I would have said "braaaains", but it is rather empty in here, so I'll use your head as a vase instead |
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| 13:28.51 | Wella | heh |
| 13:32.01 | Wella | Ugh I hate it when the title is stuck on "Activity!" |
| 13:32.15 | airtonix | ACTIVITY! |
| 13:32.20 | airtonix | monmonmon |
| 13:32.25 | Kalroth | plants a sunflower. |
| 13:32.46 | Kalroth | plucks a daffodil from airtonix. |
| 13:32.58 | airtonix | "activities" the flower |
| 13:33.14 | Wella | Lol |
| 13:34.47 | malreth | http://www.nerdist.com/images/IMG_0021.PNG |
| 13:34.55 | malreth | doctor hoo |
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| 13:35.02 | Kraps | someone ninjad the tank cloak at ahune |
| 13:35.16 | Wella | Haha nice picture |
| 13:35.58 | malreth | well... if i'm gonna take a sick day, i might as well pick the longest day of the year.. Happy Solstice, everyone |
| 13:36.39 | Wella | Haha |
| 13:37.42 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 13:40.22 | Wella | Hoho |
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| 13:52.56 | mikma | NSFAMERICA! http://www.sho.com/site/reallword/home.do |
| 13:55.42 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB3N6tLgXW8 |
| 13:56.29 | Wobin | also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS6QyCENcd8&feature=related |
| 13:56.44 | Wobin | how the hell does he do that all at once =P |
| 13:56.49 | Kraps | mikma: those shows are bullshit anyway |
| 13:57.14 | mikma | kraps: i don't know what they are like, i'm about to download that s01e01 and see |
| 13:58.27 | Kraps | frost dk = wipe |
| 14:00.19 | Kraps | almost wipe actuallly |
| 14:02.38 | Fisker | actually it's SFAMERICA since the nipples are covered |
| 14:02.50 | jnwhiteh | Could you guys please give it up? |
| 14:02.54 | jnwhiteh | It's not funny |
| 14:03.17 | Fisker | i think it is |
| 14:03.27 | Fisker | http://splog.nationallampoon.com/files/archive/wrestlenonipple.jpg <-this is also funny |
| 14:03.53 | Fisker | (pro-tip: They had their nipples airbrushed away because that's sooo pornographic) |
| 14:05.03 | mikma | unpimp ze nipple |
| 14:05.47 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/fingerpori4875319457.gif |
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| 14:06.25 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/patsasroihu22006lr_503_ul.jpg where's your god now? |
| 14:06.55 | malreth | http://bit.ly/cD6RM8 |
| 14:14.18 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=45946 win |
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| 14:15.16 | mikma | kraps: http://www.wowhead.com/spell=65311 |
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| 14:24.17 | Blia | hello |
| 14:25.15 | Blia | can I have <layer><frames><frame></frame></frames> </layer> ? |
| 14:25.30 | jnwhiteh | no? |
| 14:25.38 | jnwhiteh | frames don't go in draw layers |
| 14:25.45 | Blia | hmm ok. |
| 14:25.56 | jnwhiteh | you can have <layers><layer></layer></layers><frames><frame></frame></frames> |
| 14:26.56 | Blia | and I can add buttons, fontstrings in <layer></layer> and also in <frame></frame> ? |
| 14:26.59 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 14:27.04 | jnwhiteh | frames cannot go in layers |
| 14:27.08 | jnwhiteh | they go in frames |
| 14:27.16 | jnwhiteh | you can add FontStrings and Textures in <layers> |
| 14:27.20 | jnwhiteh | err in a layer |
| 14:27.28 | jnwhiteh | you can add Frames, Buttons, etc. in <frames> |
| 14:27.36 | Kalroth | but can layers go in textures?! |
| 14:27.40 | jnwhiteh | no =) |
| 14:27.45 | Kalroth | darnit |
| 14:28.20 | jnwhiteh | the only things that can on in draw layers are Textures, and FontStrings (basically). |
| 14:28.48 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets_hierarchy |
| 14:28.56 | jnwhiteh | anythign that derives from LayeredRegion can go in a Layer =) |
| 14:29.56 | Kalroth | makes a Frame that is inherited from LayeredRegion |
| 14:30.12 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 14:30.56 | airtonix | inherits Kalroths sunflower from his layerFrame |
| 14:31.20 | zenzelezz | 'sup dawg; I heard you like frames and layers, so I put layers in your frames so you can layer your frame while you frame your layers |
| 14:31.31 | airtonix | frames zenzelezz |
| 14:33.21 | Spejnar | we do not forgive, we do not forget, we have over 9000 penises... |
| 14:33.35 | Kalroth | my sunflower :((( |
| 14:34.52 | zenzelezz | Spejnar's been watching hentai again |
| 14:35.44 | Kraps | zenzelezz: you've seen that clip? |
| 14:36.37 | zenzelezz | seen it? I was the inspiration |
| 14:37.18 | Kraps | oorly |
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| 14:40.33 | malreth | BWARRR |
| 14:40.42 | zenzelezz | well said |
| 14:41.20 | malreth | http://vimeo.com/12448775 |
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| 14:51.24 | Blia | i am trying to create an addon that would display the selected target's portrait, just like the rounded portrait of the inspect window |
| 14:51.43 | Blia | but i am a bit lost.. |
| 14:52.15 | jnwhiteh | It's not terribly difficult, just create a texture with the desired size, and then call the function that sets a texture to a portrait |
| 14:52.19 | jnwhiteh | !api Portrait |
| 14:52.19 | lua_bot | Found 6 possible results for 'Portrait': UNIT_PORTRAIT_UPDATE, SetLootPortrait, SetBagPortraitTexture, SetInventoryPortraitTexture, SetPortraitToTexture, SetPortraitTexture |
| 14:52.25 | jnwhiteh | !api SetPortraitTexture |
| 14:52.25 | lua_bot | SetPortraitTexture: Sets a Texture object to show a portrait of a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetPortraitTexture) |
| 14:52.45 | jnwhiteh | That's step one. |
| 14:53.03 | Blia | thanks |
| 14:56.47 | Kraps | THATS OK MR TANK, ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS RUN AT AHUNE, PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE ADDS BEHIND THE CURTAIN |
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| 15:07.52 | Blia | hmm :-( |
| 15:08.02 | Blia | it's too complicated for me i guess. |
| 15:08.52 | mikma | Patch 3.3.5 deployed on US servers this week |
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| 15:12.09 | Blia | http://nopaste.info/65aed4163b.html |
| 15:12.19 | Blia | it does nothing.. |
| 15:13.15 | Wobin | poor Kraps |
| 15:13.17 | zenzelezz | you don't have a target in OnLoad |
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| 15:14.45 | Maldivia | and what does texture refer to? |
| 15:15.35 | Blia | i just want to have the target's portrait in a texture.. |
| 15:16.04 | Maldivia | then register the target changed event, and in your OnEvent update the texture |
| 15:16.58 | Blia | hmm.. ok. |
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| 15:19.01 | Maldivia | actually, there's a UNIT_PORTRAIT_UPDATE event, which is probably more what you are after |
| 15:19.21 | Blia | thank you |
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| 15:23.34 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/misc/god.png |
| 15:23.50 | olafski | you forgot the tag |
| 15:24.28 | mikma | oh that's safe for america |
| 15:24.37 | mikma | to be honest, that's exactly for them |
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| 15:39.56 | Blia | can two addons that shares the same Frames names be in conflict ? |
| 15:40.09 | Maldivia | yes |
| 15:40.28 | cogwheel | frame names are global |
| 15:40.31 | Maldivia | frame names must be unique across all addons, since they are registeret global |
| 15:40.39 | Blia | ok |
| 15:40.51 | Blia | because I want to test http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/AddOns/Blizzard_InspectUI/Blizzard_InspectUI.xml |
| 15:41.21 | Blia | and maybe i need to change all names in order not the game to be in conflict |
| 15:41.38 | Maldivia | that code is what's used when you type /inspect |
| 15:42.35 | Maldivia | so yeah, if you want to use that code for your own, rename the frames etc, common way of naming is prefixing with the addon name |
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| 15:42.57 | Blia | yes i noticed that. thanks |
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| 15:49.46 | Lunessa | station |
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| 15:55.32 | Kraps | stayshun |
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| 15:58.24 | Wobin | chtaichun |
| 15:58.59 | cogwheel | adds u and i to the situation |
| 16:00.51 | Mihau | Good morning Cog. |
| 16:01.02 | cogwheel | waves |
| 16:06.01 | Lunessa | http://www.somethingpositive.net/index.html |
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| 16:09.16 | Fisker | Lunessa |
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| 16:26.33 | Blia | is there a lua file that stores all game commands such as " /inspect playersname" ? |
| 16:27.55 | Maldivia | GlobalStrings has most |
| 16:27.56 | cogwheel | GlobalStrings.lua has the actual slash command names |
| 16:28.04 | Blia | thanks |
| 16:28.05 | cogwheel | ChatFrame.lua used to be where all the code was |
| 16:28.10 | cogwheel | not sure if it still is |
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| 16:28.59 | Ackis | "Hockey is one of the few sports where outright violence is not only tolerated, but expected. How else are they going to make a game that last for hours and often ends with a 1-0 score seem interesting? Maybe take some notes, baseball." |
| 16:29.00 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Pretty much still is |
| 16:29.01 | Ackis | lulz |
| 16:34.29 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/21/new-xbox-360-has-red-dot-of-death-instead-not-quite/ <-fail message |
| 16:35.35 | Kraps | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/129210291845582600.jpg |
| 16:39.36 | Kraps | http://digitalmediaartist.org/pixar_vs_dw.jpg |
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| 16:43.09 | Blia | would it be possible to make a window appear each time I select a target ? |
| 16:44.18 | foxlit | GetNumWorldStateUI() - Get the number of WorldState UI's. << I'm amazed. |
| 16:51.10 | Lunessa | Blia: Yes, the easiest way is to parent your window to the target frame. |
| 16:56.15 | cogwheel | !api registerunitwatch |
| 16:56.15 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'registerunitwatch'. |
| 16:56.26 | foxlit | It's framexml anyway |
| 16:56.28 | foxlit | If it still exists |
| 16:56.37 | cogwheel | some framexml stuff shows up in !api |
| 16:56.43 | foxlit | oh? |
| 16:56.56 | Kraps | why does youtube insist that disco is related to Theory of a Deadman? |
| 16:57.02 | foxlit | !api ToggleMinimap |
| 16:57.02 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'ToggleMinimap'. |
| 16:57.37 | cogwheel | at least i thought there were one or two in the http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api list |
| 16:58.23 | cogwheel | the ones labeled blizzardui |
| 17:01.54 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 17:01.57 | Fisker | not so hey foxlit |
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| 17:03.07 | cogwheel | not so! |
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| 17:23.36 | Adys | ~ping |
| 17:23.36 | purl | ~pong |
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| 17:50.23 | Fisker | hey Cide |
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| 17:54.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yar. Anyone have 5 minutes to test a site link for me? http://catalog.skidmore.edu -- can you click on the College Calendar and tell me if you actually, well, CAN? |
| 17:55.04 | nevcairiel | i dont even get name resolution on that link |
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| 17:55.49 | Lopeppeppy | nev, are you on a laptop? |
| 17:55.52 | nevcairiel | no |
| 17:56.00 | nevcairiel | but how does that matter? :d |
| 17:56.04 | Lopeppeppy | What browser/version, pleaseness? |
| 17:56.12 | Thunder_Child | it rerouts me to http://hudson2.skidmore.edu/catalog/index.htm |
| 17:56.14 | nevcairiel | no DNS, independant of browser |
| 17:56.16 | Lopeppeppy | (because that's been a consistent thing for the sheeple with issues, laptop) |
| 17:56.19 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 17:56.25 | Fisker | not so hey Lopeppeppy |
| 17:56.31 | nevcairiel | but tried chrome and IE8 |
| 17:56.33 | Lopeppeppy | Woah, TC, it should so not do that TC. Neatness. |
| 17:56.42 | Thunder_Child | after it suggests typing in Did you mean: www. skidmore. edu/ catalog/ |
| 17:56.55 | Thunder_Child | since i am using chrome |
| 17:56.56 | nevcairiel | i get that too |
| 17:57.00 | Fisker | durr Thunder_Child |
| 17:57.04 | Fisker | that's not a redirect |
| 17:57.06 | Fisker | (jerk) |
| 17:57.13 | Thunder_Child | oh, hai fisker, fuck off |
| 17:57.14 | nevcairiel | but thats just chrome being smart |
| 17:57.15 | Fisker | stop being to maliciously incorrect |
| 17:57.18 | Fisker | so* |
| 17:57.30 | nevcairiel | so TC doesnt get name resolution either :d |
| 17:57.52 | Thunder_Child | right, and i am on chrome v.5 |
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| 17:58.01 | nevcairiel | dns is a OS thing, anyway |
| 17:58.08 | Fisker | nah Thunder_Child gets redirect to http://hudson2.skidmore.edu/catalog/index.htm |
| 17:58.10 | Thunder_Child | but Lopeppeppy asked |
| 17:58.11 | Fisker | he said so himself |
| 17:58.15 | nevcairiel | chrome 6 here, fwiw |
| 17:59.00 | cbreak | there's no A entry in the DNS for catalog.skidmore.edu |
| 17:59.27 | cbreak | so it's only natural that it doesn't work |
| 18:01.42 | Lopeppeppy | cbreak, I will have your little internet babies. Now I will go beat the SHIT out of my IT monkeys to get it fixed. |
| 18:02.01 | Lopeppeppy | You guys are awesome. 3 minutes versus 3 weeks of them telling me they have no idea what's wrong with it. |
| 18:02.09 | Lopeppeppy | loves the whole wide lounge! |
| 18:04.41 | cbreak | :) |
| 18:11.32 | Adys | Cide, ping |
| 18:11.44 | Adys | Thunder_Child: about:dns |
| 18:12.39 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlpyGhABXRA |
| 18:12.54 | Fisker | Adys i think he needs about:googlechromegooglesearchssuggestions |
| 18:13.51 | Thunder_Child | Adys: hmm? |
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| 18:15.24 | Thunder_Child | yes Fiske, i know what a redirect is, now please learn what slang is |
| 18:15.28 | Thunder_Child | Fisker* |
| 18:16.07 | Fisker | Looks like you need an about:poorexcuses as well Thunder_Child |
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| 18:36.26 | Fisker | so kd3 |
| 18:36.30 | Fisker | you happy now? |
| 18:37.32 | batrick | shh |
| 18:38.31 | Ackis | you know those "discs" that you put on your car dash so that a GPS mount has suction against it? what are those called? |
| 18:38.49 | Thunder_Child | suction cups? |
| 18:39.38 | Ackis | that's on the GPS mount, these are just plastic discs |
| 18:40.54 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: dashboard disk come up with stuff |
| 18:41.00 | Thunder_Child | comes* |
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| 18:42.11 | Ackis | ty |
| 18:42.15 | Ackis | I had no idea what to call them |
| 18:43.00 | Thunder_Child | neither do i, but occam's razor comes in handy there |
| 18:43.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | i bet occam is sick of everyone using his razor |
| 18:44.10 | batrick | it's dull from overuse |
| 18:44.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | "get your own razor already" -Occam |
| 18:46.18 | Fisker | why not just get a shaving machine? |
| 18:47.40 | Fisker | you will be stopped batrick |
| 18:47.46 | batrick | k |
| 18:47.49 | batrick | oi Shirik |
| 18:49.30 | Fisker | Shirik my man |
| 18:52.42 | Ackis | no one seems to sell the discs separately |
| 18:53.23 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: is it garmin? |
| 18:53.33 | Ackis | yeah |
| 18:53.35 | Blia | is there a way to see the code behind the official command "/inspect payername" ? GlobalStrings.lua doesn't give the code.. |
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| 18:53.41 | Ackis | they have some on their site I know Thunder_Child |
| 18:53.56 | Thunder_Child | i was going to say http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Dashboard-disk-small-2-pack/dp/B000AKX15G actually |
| 18:54.00 | Thunder_Child | 7$ |
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| 18:54.28 | Ackis | http://www.amazon.ca/Garmin-Dashboard-disk-small-2-pack/dp/B000AKX15G <-- unavailible |
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| 18:54.47 | nevcairiel | so order from US? |
| 18:54.47 | Thunder_Child | the one i linked inst |
| 18:54.59 | Thunder_Child | oh..nvm |
| 18:55.02 | Thunder_Child | only in teh us |
| 18:55.23 | Maldivia | Blia: look in ChatFrame.lua, search for SlashCmdList["INSPECT"] |
| 18:55.32 | Blia | thanks |
| 18:55.33 | nevcairiel | when i can order from amazon.com from beyond the big pont, why wouldnt you? :d |
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| 18:56.06 | Fisker | lols Ackis |
| 18:56.10 | Fisker | my elite is more expensive than the slim |
| 18:56.13 | Fisker | wanna buy my elite? |
| 18:56.29 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: http://goo.gl/Nkn9 maybe |
| 18:56.50 | Fisker | why not just look them up on garmin.com ? |
| 18:56.59 | Ackis | they don't ship to canada either Fisker |
| 18:57.21 | nevcairiel | so get some USian to ship you some |
| 18:57.27 | Fisker | no but you can find the name and figure out if anyone in canada sells them? |
| 18:58.13 | Ackis | Fisker: I've tried three stores in person, plus online (best buy, Canadian Tire and the Source) and none of them carry them |
| 18:58.44 | Fisker | what one do you have Ackis ? |
| 18:59.08 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: http://www.thegpsstore.com/Garmin-Small-Dashboard-Disk-with-Adhesive-bottom-P1344C296.aspx they will ship international |
| 18:59.27 | Fisker | oh fuck mikma |
| 18:59.34 | mikma | yes please |
| 18:59.34 | Fisker | half the Garmin mounts look like penises |
| 18:59.35 | mikma | fister |
| 18:59.39 | Fisker | how do i help Ackis ? |
| 18:59.48 | Ackis | Fisker: I have a gps :P |
| 18:59.56 | Fisker | http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31cuK0lTlmL._SL160_AA115_.jpg |
| 18:59.57 | Fisker | HOOOOOOT |
| 19:00.06 | Fisker | Ackis obviously model name |
| 19:00.35 | Ackis | nüvi® 265WT |
| 19:01.28 | nevcairiel | its really named nüvi? |
| 19:01.37 | nevcairiel | you guys cant even type the ü! |
| 19:01.43 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: http://www.gpscentral.ca/accessories/dash_mount_base.htm |
| 19:02.10 | Ackis | nevcairiel: I C&P from the site :P |
| 19:02.32 | nevcairiel | i figured, but its still weird to name it like that for the US market |
| 19:02.44 | nevcairiel | not like you would type the (R) |
| 19:03.02 | Fisker | http://www.amazon.ca/Navitech-Garmin-Nuvi-Suction-Mount/dp/B003L173NW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1277146752&sr=8-1 |
| 19:03.05 | Fisker | that shit should fit Ackis |
| 19:03.30 | nevcairiel | he wants the dashboard disk to actually put the suction mount on |
| 19:03.35 | nevcairiel | man Fisker, pay attention already |
| 19:03.36 | Fisker | yes |
| 19:03.41 | mikma | bleh |
| 19:03.48 | mikma | quite awesome lag in eu alonsus |
| 19:03.50 | Ackis | Fisker: that's the mount I have already |
| 19:03.51 | Fisker | Do you think they sell mounts without the suction mount? |
| 19:03.52 | Fisker | pay attention already |
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| 19:04.26 | nevcairiel | he doesnt need a suction thing |
| 19:04.28 | Fisker | https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=69367 <-see it has 3 parts |
| 19:04.32 | Fisker | 1. A penis |
| 19:04.33 | mikma | let it suck |
| 19:04.35 | nevcairiel | he needs a dashboard disk to put the mount on =P |
| 19:04.36 | Fisker | 2. a suction thing |
| 19:04.40 | Fisker | 3. a holder |
| 19:04.43 | Thunder_Child | 3. Fisker vag |
| 19:04.54 | Ackis | suctions it to Fisker's mouth |
| 19:04.54 | nevcairiel | which they obviously do sell |
| 19:05.07 | mikma | http://open.spotify.com/track/6cZysfGjfOs8nIJka1M5Xf <3 <3 |
| 19:05.19 | mikma | might be NSFA cause of the lyrics! |
| 19:05.32 | Fisker | D: |
| 19:07.13 | jnwhiteh | Give it a freaking rest.. |
| 19:07.31 | mikma | good idea, sleepy time |
| 19:10.57 | cogwheel | stabs mikma |
| 19:11.36 | mikma | dodge! |
| 19:11.44 | mikma | <3 perma evasion |
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| 19:20.21 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: are you able to tweet today? |
| 19:21.04 | Fisker | what's tweet? |
| 19:22.45 | Maldivia | Fisker: http://www.scenicreflections.com/files/tweet_wallpaper01_1024x768.jpg <-- that's tweet |
| 19:23.13 | Fisker | you Mudkip |
| 19:23.29 | Fisker | sweet Maldivia |
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| 19:27.26 | Fisker | hey alestane |
| 19:27.34 | alestane | Hey, Fisker. |
| 19:28.01 | Fisker | sweet |
| 19:28.11 | Cide | Adys, pong |
| 19:28.13 | Cide | Shirik, ping |
| 19:28.36 | Adys | Cide |
| 19:28.38 | Adys | fucking awesome |
| 19:28.51 | Adys | I just finished adding reverse relationship support to my wdbc parser |
| 19:29.36 | Cide | nice |
| 19:29.41 | Adys | hold on |
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| 19:29.57 | Thunder_Child | to what? |
| 19:30.08 | Seerah | to your hat? |
| 19:30.58 | Adys | Cide: http://dpaste.com/209901/ |
| 19:31.00 | Adys | feel the awesome |
| 19:31.16 | Thunder_Child | but my hat is on the other side of the room |
| 19:32.06 | Adys | Cide: http://dpaste.com/209902/ (code) |
| 19:33.02 | Adys | nevcairiel: ^ btw; the more I work on this, the closer I get to a pure django-wdbc backend |
| 19:33.22 | nevcairiel | you spend way too much time on this |
| 19:33.31 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 19:34.30 | Adys | nevcairiel, well I was going to write it as just a proxy, and the rate of ugly per second was rising quite fast |
| 19:34.39 | Adys | (I need it for some change they're doing) |
| 19:35.56 | Adys | God this is awesome. |
| 19:36.58 | nevcairiel | in other news, i found a nice apartment today, hopefully get confirmation that i got it this week already :D |
| 19:37.24 | Adys | congrats =] |
| 19:37.51 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: i hope it has room for us to crash |
| 19:38.18 | Fisker | nah i got it nevcairiel |
| 19:38.25 | mikma | http://www.mikma.eu/maemo/bgss.png - nokia n810 + ss from new family guy |
| 19:38.44 | Ackis | interesting article on why blood shouldn't be taken from black people (used as a counter argument, not as racism): http://www.slate.com/id/2257655/ |
| 19:39.04 | Fisker | lol maemo |
| 19:39.52 | Ackis | Fisker: have you had sex with a man, at least once since 1977? |
| 19:40.16 | Fisker | i don't do men |
| 19:40.22 | Thunder_Child | men do you |
| 19:40.28 | Fisker | yep :( |
| 19:40.33 | mikma | haha |
| 19:40.49 | mikma | ~Thunder_Child++ |
| 19:41.06 | Ackis | I've been asked that question about 20x since I was 16 |
| 19:44.55 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:45.55 | smcn | are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party? |
| 19:46.07 | mikma | silence! |
| 19:46.13 | mikma | he'll kill you! |
| 19:47.27 | mikma | btw, that thunder_child -ownage is wowuidev quote -quality |
| 19:50.20 | Lopeppeppy | is going Chrome. Whee. And stuff. |
| 19:50.28 | cogwheel | yay |
| 19:50.42 | Lunessa | I kind of <3 Chrome. |
| 19:50.53 | cogwheel | <3s it right in the face |
| 19:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | chrome is fairly awesome. |
| 19:51.09 | Lunessa | The thing I like most about it is how fast it feels. |
| 19:51.26 | NightHawkTheSane | compared to firefox, yeah. |
| 19:51.27 | Thunder_Child | i use it, but i would like it more if it has better session saving abilites |
| 19:51.52 | Lunessa | The thing I like least about it is that it doesn't have the richness of scripting control I've gotten used to in Firefox. |
| 19:51.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Although on osx, safari5 is reasonably snappy, and javascript feels more responsive than in chrome |
| 19:52.14 | Lunessa | I use a lot of Firefox, Safari and Chrome. |
| 19:52.42 | Kraps | How many Worgen druids does it take to chase a cat up a tree? Three, one to do the chasing, one to be the cat and the other to be the tree. |
| 19:52.58 | Lunessa | But for now, pr0n sites get opened in Firefox with NoScript and lots of Ad Blocking tools. :P |
| 19:54.48 | Fisker | hello Lunessa |
| 19:55.42 | NightHawkTheSane | is there even a noscript analog in chrome? |
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| 19:56.32 | AbsolutRayne | Afternoon :) |
| 19:56.36 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/17Kkt.jpg |
| 19:56.45 | Ackis | cogwheel: you'll like that image I linked |
| 19:57.00 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: not really any good ones |
| 19:57.09 | Thunder_Child | as the creatre puts it "Eight months later, Chrome extensions are here but NoScript is not among them yet, and people are asking why. The reason is very simple: Chrome is still lacking the required infrastructure for selective script disablement and object blocking." |
| 19:57.28 | Thunder_Child | creator* |
| 19:57.40 | AbsolutRayne | I need some UI thoughts per usual, if anyone is willing to give. :P |
| 19:57.43 | Fisker | noscript are for n00bs |
| 19:57.45 | durcyn | why do it in the user-agent when you can filter that shit out in squid? |
| 19:57.52 | AbsolutRayne | More specifically aimed at the UFs and a placement question. |
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| 19:58.07 | Lopeppeppy | I need it for work testing, so I installs it. Users are seeing some errors specific to Chrome, damn them to the seven hells of internet. |
| 19:58.28 | Fisker | l2standards Lopeppeppy |
| 19:58.45 | Lopeppeppy | It shouldn't be breaking standard, Fisker, that's why I want to go see. |
| 19:59.14 | Lopeppeppy | I think the sheeple needs to learn to freakin' admit they are reading it on a virus-laden netbook or something. |
| 19:59.24 | Lunessa | Still, I like Chrome a lot. |
| 19:59.56 | AbsolutRayne | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_062110_135507.jpg Anyone think the Raid Target icons are too large? Im kind of up in the air about it. |
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| 20:00.43 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne, the skull one is, yes. I feel like they should be only the height of the dark grey gars. |
| 20:01.06 | AbsolutRayne | Good point. I was getting tired of the teeny tiny raid marks though. :P |
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| 20:01.08 | Thunder_Child | i think they are all to big |
| 20:01.39 | Lopeppeppy | Teeny tiny is bad, but the skull sticks out as looking too big for the frame it matches. |
| 20:01.42 | Lopeppeppy | Make frame larger! |
| 20:02.08 | alestane | Master at the end of the cable, or in the middle? |
| 20:02.25 | alestane | !g IDE cable select |
| 20:02.25 | batbot | alestane: Using IDE Cable Select <http://unixwiz.net/techtips/ide-cable-select.html> |
| 20:02.51 | Fisker | please alestane |
| 20:02.53 | Fisker | get me out of this |
| 20:03.25 | alestane | I'm pretty sure that whatever you've gotten into, you probably deserve it. |
| 20:03.59 | durcyn | alestane: end. |
| 20:04.21 | alestane | They've also marked the cable as it turns out, and they agree with you. |
| 20:04.55 | alestane | Now if only they hadn't put the slav connector on upside down on the other side of the cable. |
| 20:05.18 | AbsolutRayne | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_062110_140348.jpg That better on the Icon sizes? :P |
| 20:05.47 | Blia | can someone help me code an addon that would display a simple <frame> if I select a target ? |
| 20:06.03 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, much better, skull fits the bar. |
| 20:06.40 | Lunessa | AbsolutRayne: A couple of thoughts - player frame appears mis-aligned because the dark gray is off-set. It's not, but it /feels/ that way. I too would reduce the size of the raid icon to the size of the health bar's height. And the dark color makes life hell on a healer unless you use a contrasting background. |
| 20:07.13 | alestane | Actually, durcyn, both drives are jumpered to particular roles, but I've had cases where drives seemed to get grumpy because their lumper setting didn't match their cable position. |
| 20:07.41 | alestane | And now I must reboot for system updates. Back soon if the stars are right. |
| 20:07.48 | Lunessa | Blia: Easiest to use is probably kgPanels and parent your frame to the Target window |
| 20:08.06 | AbsolutRayne | Lunessa: Thanks. :) Im still deciding on a color theme though. I personally dont like dark Ufs like this, but I wanted to get a general layout out. |
| 20:08.14 | AbsolutRayne | And its a bit purple <_< but we wont touch on that. |
| 20:09.24 | Blia | 'kgPanels' ? ok, i am going to do research on this. |
| 20:09.31 | Lunessa | AbsolutRayne: And I keep saying it, but I find your choice of pixel font really hard to read - so much so that I'd rip my eyes out if I were forced to use it. A serif or sans serif font would be better. |
| 20:09.44 | AbsolutRayne | Thats not a pixel font |
| 20:10.09 | Lunessa | *shcked* |
| 20:10.22 | AbsolutRayne | My last UI I pushed out was using it as well. |
| 20:10.34 | AbsolutRayne | I always said that once I found a normal font I liked, id stop using Pixels. And there it is. :P |
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| 20:10.41 | Fisker | AbsolutRayne |
| 20:10.51 | AbsolutRayne | Fisker: Yeeeees? |
| 20:10.58 | Lunessa | *nod* Could just be that I'm getting old and maybe need new glasses. |
| 20:11.06 | Fisker | no |
| 20:11.11 | AbsolutRayne | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw39948.jpg my last UI |
| 20:11.31 | AbsolutRayne | I made it black by default on the UFs, but I used Light Blues myself. |
| 20:15.36 | haste | your border looks awkwardly light |
| 20:15.41 | Lunessa | One of these days I'll figure out a perfect way to handle raid frames. Until then, I just live with them being ugly. |
| 20:16.05 | Fisker | you ha ve my haste Lunessa |
| 20:16.08 | Fisker | have* |
| 20:19.56 | AbsolutRayne | haste: A border st |
| 20:19.58 | AbsolutRayne | oops |
| 20:20.04 | AbsolutRayne | a border style im experimenting with |
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| 20:24.58 | AbsolutRayne | Weird |
| 20:25.04 | AbsolutRayne | I think Northrend just crashed on my server. |
| 20:25.07 | Fisker | you |
| 20:25.26 | AbsolutRayne | Me? |
| 20:25.56 | Fisker | fucking win! |
| 20:26.06 | Fisker | 1 seconds from pulling anub on a insanity run |
| 20:26.10 | Fisker | "I got a question" |
| 20:26.15 | Fisker | *meh shut up and l2p* |
| 20:26.27 | Fisker | turns out while he was asking the question the server crashed :P |
| 20:26.38 | Fisker | so that was an insanity attempt saved |
| 20:28.09 | foxlit | Surely not. |
| 20:28.29 | foxlit | Surely if it crashed, it wouldn't be around to record your failure. |
| 20:29.05 | Fisker | oh u |
| 20:30.17 | foxlit | Hm, need to murder ~1000 silithid :/ |
| 20:31.19 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 20:31.31 | Fisker | isn't it only like 200? |
| 20:32.21 | foxlit | It's 200 drops / turn in |
| 20:32.35 | foxlit | And you repeat that until you're Neutral. |
| 20:32.42 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:32.55 | Fisker | and you don't have to kill them to become neutral |
| 20:32.57 | foxlit | I did miscalculate, though |
| 20:33.08 | Lunessa | foxlit: One Shall Rise? |
| 20:33.22 | foxlit | Lunessa: Path of the Righteous, yes. |
| 20:33.52 | Lunessa | I'm still hated with the Brood - mostly because I only did a very, very little AQ40 |
| 20:33.52 | foxlit | It's more like 4600 silithid |
| 20:34.08 | foxlit | same - no aq40 on this char |
| 20:34.29 | Kraps | i need an addon that shows herb spots |
| 20:34.31 | Fisker | did they nerf it? |
| 20:34.37 | Lunessa | If you can get people to go with you, ask them to let you have all the rep-turn in items. The skulls are worth a lot. |
| 20:34.42 | durcyn | Kraps: gathermate |
| 20:34.43 | Fisker | because it used to be a lot more i think |
| 20:35.05 | Fisker | anyway just do AQ40 runs |
| 20:35.09 | Lunessa | Back in the day before the gates opened it was a lot, lot lot. |
| 20:35.15 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: gatherer |
| 20:35.33 | Fisker | 36k i believe Lunessa |
| 20:35.49 | foxlit | back when those gates were opened, you could do it with multiple proxies |
| 20:35.54 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: gatherer doesnt seem to do anything |
| 20:35.57 | foxlit | On the other hand, they were elites |
| 20:36.06 | Lunessa | Fisker: Yeah, I helped the Kirin Tor (US) scarab lord gather when I was playing a priest. |
| 20:36.08 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: it plots them when you gather |
| 20:36.20 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: or you can get a db ingame from someone else |
| 20:38.47 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i just d/l the db and it'll work? |
| 20:39.16 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i dont know if you can do it externally, i know it can be done from in game |
| 20:40.26 | Lunessa | Kraps: install GatherMateData then use the GatherMate import feature. |
| 20:40.54 | Kraps | need to get gathermate then |
| 20:41.05 | Ackis | Nooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 20:41.10 | Ackis | my Darth Vader magnet died :( |
| 20:41.17 | nevcairiel | magnets can die? |
| 20:41.41 | Ackis | I'm traumatized |
| 20:41.56 | nevcairiel | did you whack it with a light saber? |
| 20:42.28 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 20:42.34 | Fisker | fucking Darth Vader Magnets |
| 20:42.36 | Fisker | how do they work? |
| 20:42.42 | Ackis | the magnet fell out of the back of his head |
| 20:42.57 | nevcairiel | get some glue and fix it already |
| 20:43.05 | AbsolutRayne | ^\ |
| 20:43.06 | Ackis | I has no glue at work |
| 20:43.12 | AbsolutRayne | Gum? |
| 20:43.30 | Ackis | magnet is too strong |
| 20:43.37 | Ackis | gum wouldn't keep it in |
| 20:43.57 | AbsolutRayne | Hmm |
| 20:44.23 | AbsolutRayne | Ackis: http://www.make-stuff.com/formulas/glue.html |
| 20:48.51 | Ackis | or I could say "Hi Chantelle. Darth broke. Fix pls." :D |
| 20:50.47 | Kraps | woot i got it |
| 20:51.03 | Kraps | i didnt have the gatherer db apparently |
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| 21:00.03 | Ackis | so my fiancée bought me a fathers day cake last night, she said it was from our "animals", I was amused :) |
| 21:03.41 | durcyn | yeah, god forbid you should ever reproduce. |
| 21:08.30 | Fisker | slaps durcyn around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:13.15 | Lunessa | ... for once I actually agree with Fisker. |
| 21:13.31 | Fisker | rage jnwhiteh |
| 21:13.33 | Fisker | raaaaaaaage |
| 21:14.31 | Thunder_Child | are you sure Lunessa, i mean, we are talking about Ackis here |
| 21:14.53 | Lunessa | Nah, I just want to smack durcyn with a fish. |
| 21:15.20 | Thunder_Child | fair enough |
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| 21:18.16 | Kraps | i like healing HoR |
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| 21:22.11 | airtonix | greetings loyal subjects |
| 21:23.00 | Fisker | i hate popunders to hell airtonix |
| 21:23.02 | Fisker | thanks a lot |
| 21:23.13 | airtonix | bless you my child |
| 21:26.25 | foxlit | Skeram killed me :( |
| 21:26.35 | foxlit | After doing absolutely do damage for the first 25% |
| 21:27.26 | Fisker | his earthshock stuff can't be resisted i believe |
| 21:27.37 | Hjalte | You can use nature resistance gear |
| 21:28.09 | Fisker | yeah probably Hjalte |
| 21:28.16 | Fisker | probably should've said that it doesn't care about your level :P |
| 21:28.26 | foxlit | Bosses never do |
| 21:28.41 | Fisker | spells and abilities used by bosses usually do |
| 21:28.43 | foxlit | NR... last set is from level 60? |
| 21:29.03 | NightHawkTheSane | 70 |
| 21:29.16 | foxlit | Hydross. |
| 21:30.34 | Fisker | i rage though |
| 21:30.43 | Fisker | i can't flash my Nexus One with one of the custom roms |
| 21:30.49 | Arrowmaster | i just got a letter from "Domain Registry of America" telling me my domain is about to expire and i should transfer and renew it with them, for $30 a year |
| 21:31.00 | Fisker | apparently there's bad sectors in my boot partition so it doesn't have room for it ;( |
| 21:31.02 | Arrowmaster | a snail mail letter |
| 21:31.11 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: welcome to 2005. |
| 21:31.44 | foxlit | The ultimate affront is that the return envelope says "attach postage here". |
| 21:31.48 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: my other domain still had 5 years left on it in 2005 |
| 21:32.03 | foxlit | You can't even mail junk back to them without paying for it |
| 21:32.04 | Hjalte | Fisker: Sucks to be you. |
| 21:32.09 | Hjalte | More than usually, I mean. |
| 21:32.10 | Fisker | yep |
| 21:32.15 | Fisker | indeed |
| 21:32.31 | Fisker | it's also karma right? |
| 21:32.38 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: this is the first time in 10 years ive had a domain come up for renewal |
| 21:32.58 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: very forward-looking of you :) |
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| 21:34.16 | Arrowmaster | the domain i got the letter for i actually registered 3 years ago i think but i registered it on the same day as my other domain and for long enough that they both expire within 12 hours of each other |
| 21:34.23 | Fisker | Google needs to release a Nexus Two with moorestown already |
| 21:35.30 | foxlit | There's no leather NR at 70, though? |
| 21:35.35 | foxlit | It's all plate. |
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| 21:40.24 | NightHawkTheSane | there should be leather.. |
| 21:40.27 | NightHawkTheSane | for druid tanks.. |
| 21:42.31 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, maybe not. |
| 21:42.37 | airtonix | releases Fisker in boystown. |
| 21:48.36 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: weird, eh? |
| 21:49.30 | foxlit | Considering nobody used paladins back then, that seems to make hydross an "insert two warriors in the slot" fight :/ |
| 21:50.32 | Spejnar | hydross pre-fix was a fucked up fight, "I know, lets make a 100% elemental dmg fight where the boss can CRUSH and you cant do shit about it with res gear, kekekek" |
| 21:51.06 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: well, there were adds that had to be picked up, but yeah |
| 21:51.25 | Spejnar | which the opposite tank picked up unless I remember wrong |
| 21:52.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i always remember having one or two off tanks just for the adds |
| 21:52.36 | Spejnar | all I remember is that tanks got wtfpwned by crushes before they "nerfed / fixed" him |
| 21:52.51 | Spejnar | and the number of wipes due to a single dot or crit together with a missed shield slam |
| 21:52.54 | Spejnar | *pulls hair* |
| 21:53.02 | NightHawkTheSane | regardless. that has nothing to do with it |
| 21:56.02 | foxlit | Skeram down. |
| 21:59.22 | alestane | http://www.toplessrobot.com/2010/06/the_15_cruelest_deaths_in_star_trek_history.php |
| 21:59.28 | Ackis | lol |
| 22:02.21 | foxlit | Wonder if the bug trio is soloable |
| 22:02.30 | foxlit | It's a heck of an annoying run back :( |
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| 22:11.32 | olafski | which class are you doing this on? |
| 22:11.39 | olafski | I had some trouble with skeram =( |
| 22:12.58 | foxlit | olafski: Druid. |
| 22:13.22 | foxlit | The good news is that I didn't wipe on Trio, but I can't kill them either. Silly Yauj |
| 22:14.35 | foxlit | Nothing particularly fancy about Skeram -- just had to use cooldowns and think of england during the splits. |
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| 22:21.09 | Lunessa | foxlit: "think of england" - I lol'ed |
| 22:22.18 | foxlit | Lunessa: :) |
| 22:28.04 | AbsolutRayne | I have found the best thing ever on Shoutcast TV. |
| 22:28.46 | AbsolutRayne | A Mystery Science Theater 3000 Stream. |
| 22:34.59 | foxlit | Fankriss has me puzzled. |
| 22:35.50 | Kraps | wts tons of oil, its mucking up my stuff http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/44000/44375/USA7_TMO_2010170_lrg.jpg |
| 22:38.47 | alestane | Free oil, just come and pick it up? |
| 22:39.50 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:41.48 | Lunessa | That image reminds me that Earth is a beautiful place. |
| 22:42.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: not at this rate. >< |
| 22:42.27 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Entirely possible. |
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| 22:43.36 | alestane | And I think to myself... |
| 22:43.45 | Lunessa | how did I get here? |
| 22:43.46 | Kraps | it actually shows how awesome hi def photos/videos are :p |
| 22:43.51 | Lunessa | Letting the days go by. |
| 22:43.58 | alestane | ..."What a wonderful world." |
| 22:44.05 | alestane | Wrong song. |
| 22:44.37 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, "Autotune is like frying things at the county fair. It works on anything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8xAeBOAC8U " |
| 22:45.04 | alestane | An awesome song, admittedly. |
| 22:46.33 | Kraps | original http://www.youtube.com/user/schmoyoho#p/u/12/WuYDSa4BRaw |
| 22:47.41 | Thunder_Child | i wonder at the altitue of the satalite |
| 22:48.51 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/user/schmoyoho#p/u/1/yghFBt-fXmw |
| 22:50.21 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25482059964&sid=1#5 ...who exactly is this "Jesus Chris" person? |
| 22:51.16 | Lunessa | He's this amazing dude on a pogostick |
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| 22:54.34 | Kraps | Lunessa: I SEEN HIM ON A TRICYCLE |
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| 23:00.24 | Cide | damn you Shirik |
| 23:01.13 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1K0MfJcMBY#t=9m12s < that..looks.....AWESOME |
| 23:03.34 | foxlit | Meh, too much RNG |
| 23:03.51 | foxlit | If the 7 second stun ports line up just right, I can kill all of the spawns in time. |
| 23:03.58 | foxlit | If they don't, it becomes annoyingly painful. |
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| 23:08.32 | Cide | so why does apple advertise "1500 new APIs"? |
| 23:08.46 | Cide | that's... a strange way of putting it |
| 23:08.54 | KarlKFI|work | it prolly means 1500 methods |
| 23:08.56 | A-KO | because it's Apple? |
| 23:09.36 | Cide | KarlKFI|work, well duh |
| 23:09.46 | Cide | it's still extremely stupid |
| 23:10.07 | KarlKFI|work | it's prolly just marketting failing at tech speak. i wouldnt take it personally |
| 23:10.42 | Cide | they've done it before |
| 23:10.45 | KarlKFI|work | some programmer prolly put 1500 new API methods and some dork marketer decided that didn't fit on their slide |
| 23:11.19 | KarlKFI|work | and then some different dork saw it on soem old material and thought it was the way he should do it |
| 23:12.45 | Cide | stop defending them |
| 23:12.47 | Cide | it's stupid |
| 23:13.51 | foxlit | How would you advertise that feature? :) |
| 23:14.09 | KarlKFI|work | "1500 new API methods" prolly |
| 23:14.18 | KarlKFI|work | tho advertizing method coutns is silly |
| 23:14.29 | foxlit | I think Cide disagrees with the concept rather than the wording. |
| 23:15.35 | KarlKFI|work | i think they're both silly. but I've long since given up expecting marketing materials to make sense to technical people |
| 23:16.21 | KarlKFI|work | it's like complaining about politician's dumbing down their talks to a 6th grade level |
| 23:16.41 | p3lim | Anyone know a win program/whatever that will allow me to toggle line-in mute/listen/enable|disable with a keybind (preferably custom one)? |
| 23:16.49 | KarlKFI|work | marketing folks expect you to be ignorant. |
| 23:18.20 | alestane | "Someone in Marketing has a magazine...repeat, this is not a drill..." |
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| 23:35.33 | Lunessa | http://tfl.nu/s22y - "I literally have been drunk for three days entirely by myself, the world cup may kill me" |
| 23:36.44 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* it's going to take 20 hours to DL wikipedia |
| 23:37.34 | foxlit | why do you want to download wikipedia? |
| 23:38.00 | NightHawkTheSane | why dont YOU want to download wikipedia? |
| 23:38.07 | foxlit | It's available online. |
| 23:38.17 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. so? |
| 23:38.19 | foxlit | I don't foresee losing connectivity any time soon. |
| 23:38.29 | foxlit | Hence, a local copy is useless. |
| 23:38.38 | NightHawkTheSane | cuts foxlit's network cables. |
| 23:38.50 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: for my ipod touch |
| 23:39.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: o_0 |
| 23:39.15 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: anything clever with mobile formatting on that? |
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| 23:39.30 | NightHawkTheSane | how are you download it? |
| 23:39.34 | foxlit | The actual wikipedia mobile site is quite good; I wonder if any viewers are up to par. |
| 23:39.35 | NightHawkTheSane | downloading* |
| 23:39.45 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: i dunno, it's an app that dl's all 5.xx gb of data |
| 23:39.55 | NightHawkTheSane | :o |
| 23:40.03 | Thunder_Child | because i only have access with a wifi conection and i dont always have one |
| 23:40.16 | Thunder_Child | so i figure, why not |
| 23:40.27 | Thunder_Child | i assume it strips out images, but i could be wrong |
| 23:40.44 | NightHawkTheSane | seems likely. that's vaguely neat. |
| 23:40.51 | Thunder_Child | and according to Shirik the size is about right |
| 23:40.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder how it gets updates. |
| 23:40.55 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_database#English-language_Wikipedia |
| 23:41.51 | foxlit | "Currently Wikipedia does not allow or provide facilities to download all images. " |
| 23:41.56 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: i figure the same way you back new things up |
| 23:42.32 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: it probably does not. |
| 23:42.45 | foxlit | Not on a centralized scale; it might re-fetch the articles you actually looked at. |
| 23:43.19 | Thunder_Child | i would assume it simply checks for changes |
| 23:43.29 | foxlit | Over a million pages? |
| 23:43.41 | NightHawkTheSane | with how much wikipedia changes, that'd be a LOT of data |
| 23:43.43 | Thunder_Child | it might be done though another site, eg. it keeps track of changes and when then this app connects to that for info |
| 23:44.09 | foxlit | Now, see, if I was a lazy developer writing that app, I wouldn't do that. |
| 23:44.34 | Thunder_Child | what do you mean *if* |
| 23:44.45 | foxlit | I'm not writing that app :) |
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| 23:45.03 | Thunder_Child | but you are lazy |
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| 23:45.32 | foxlit | No comment on that. |
| 23:45.45 | foxlit | s/No/Too lazy to/ |
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