| 00:02.42 | Kraps | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HollywoodPudgy |
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| 00:04.07 | WobWork | http://www.magniwork.com/ |
| 00:04.09 | WobWork | my GOD |
| 00:04.17 | WobWork | why hadn't someone -thought- of this before!? |
| 00:04.20 | WobWork | !?!?! |
| 00:04.21 | Dagmar | Krpas: People who write those articles are invariably fat and unattractive... |
| 00:04.37 | Dagmar | ...with emphasis on the unattractive, which they invariably blame on being fat. |
| 00:05.42 | Dagmar | WobWork: They have. Many times. Usually they sober up before their business plans get that far. |
| 00:06.11 | Kraps | WobWork: "but due to suppression of this idea from the big corporations" yeah like the gas companies an WATER FOR GASOLINE OMG!!!!!! |
| 00:07.02 | WobWork | Kraps: It's -THE MAN- holding us down! |
| 00:07.15 | WobWork | we should be FREE with Zero Point Magnetic POWA |
| 00:07.18 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.29 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:08.01 | Dagmar | I despise those sorts of snake-oil salesmen. |
| 00:08.41 | Dagmar | I remember back in like '94 one tried to sell the night manager of the restaurant I was working at some bullshit like that involving magnets to improve circulation. |
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| 00:09.00 | Dagmar | He pushed one too many buttons and got hisself vbiolently assaulted. |
| 00:09.15 | Dagmar | I'm sure his magic healing magnets came in pretty handy. |
| 00:09.20 | WobWork | Dagmar: oh oh, the magic bracelets? |
| 00:09.28 | WobWork | What'sisname |
| 00:09.50 | Dagmar | It wasn't *just* bracelets. It was a wide assortment of fancy neoprene harnesses with cheap ass radio shack magnets in them |
| 00:10.03 | alestane | Magnets are pretty popular. I think the hard evidence for their effectiveness wouldn't fill a thimble IIRC though. |
| 00:10.04 | Dagmar | They didn't even have the decency to spring for neodynium. |
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| 00:15.14 | Dagmar | Let's just put it this way. Some people you should never, ever tell them that Faraday's Law means that a magnetic field perpendicular to the flow of blood increases circulation. |
| 00:15.19 | Dagmar | I am one of those people. |
| 00:15.32 | Dagmar | Dude was trying to bilk my boss out of about a third of his annual income as an "investment" |
| 00:19.29 | Thunder_Child | heh, our druid tank hit 100K hp |
| 00:19.36 | Kraps | Dagmar: every few months in my neighborhood theres an electrical power pyramid scheme thats gonna make people so much money!!!!!!! |
| 00:19.49 | Dagmar | You need a handheld taser to fix that one |
| 00:20.12 | Dagmar | Find the source of that plan, apply "free power". |
| 00:20.51 | Dagmar | 4. Profit! |
| 00:21.36 | Dagmar | People who look to use science to exploit the stupid are the reason they used to burn smart people for "congress with demons" |
| 00:23.36 | Dagmar | The little copper arthritis/alzheimers bracelets are one thing. They're cheap and they don't really hurt someone |
| 00:23.44 | alestane | http://www.threepanelsoul.com/view.php?date=2007-11-13 |
| 00:23.51 | alestane | I'm looking for the more relevant one. |
| 00:24.02 | Dagmar | Kraps: Pyramid schemes like you're talking aobut tend to be the sort of thing that can wreck people who can't afford it |
| 00:24.35 | Dagmar | alestane: I want to find studies like that here |
| 00:24.54 | Dagmar | It's good, clean science. |
| 00:25.15 | Dagmar | So what if, at the end of the day you manage to disprove your theory and the experimental track is a failure |
| 00:25.29 | Dagmar | You've just had a WHOLE LOTTA SEX if you were playing your cards anything close to right |
| 00:25.35 | Dagmar | Possibly for days on end |
| 00:25.47 | Dagmar | ...for science! |
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| 00:52.59 | NightHawkTheSane | this is interesting: http://www.benjoffe.com/holdem |
| 00:55.13 | Thunder_Child | that is nifty |
| 00:55.49 | alestane | Here we go, Dagmer, this is what I was looking for: http://www.threepanelsoul.com/view.php?date=2009-05-04 |
| 00:57.18 | Dagmar | I see. |
| 00:57.26 | Dagmar | To me, that's relatively innocent |
| 00:57.54 | Dagmar | You'll never hear a snake oil salesman talk about 'setbacks'. |
| 00:58.04 | Dagmar | You gotta beat it out of 'em |
| 00:58.19 | Dagmar | I can't believe you waded through all those until you got to that one |
| 01:02.43 | alestane | Search wouldn't find it, I tried. |
| 01:02.50 | alestane | Also, read the rant. |
| 01:03.41 | Dagmar | I used to listen to that radio dude from Nevada |
| 01:04.08 | Dagmar | I've heard a lot of |
| 01:04.15 | Dagmar | 'free energy' spiels. |
| 01:05.55 | Dagmar | The most innocent one I remember was a guy who'd built a free energy generator about the size of a fridge, but it *did* appear to emit slightly more electricity than it took in |
| 01:06.23 | Dagmar | THe um, power company, was not amused when they finally figured out what had been happening to their transmission lines from across the street |
| 01:07.46 | Dagmar | Charges were dropped after a lengthy explanation, in part becuse people who are using inductance to steal from transmisison lines typically don't have a big stack of diagrams lying around from trying to figure out what they'd "invented" |
| 01:08.09 | WobWork | hehe |
| 01:08.49 | WobWork | hey, those charging bases |
| 01:08.57 | WobWork | for stuff like electric toothbrushes |
| 01:09.05 | WobWork | that uses inductance to charge the unit |
| 01:09.18 | WobWork | still draw power when there's nothing 'charging' on the unit, right? |
| 01:09.32 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 01:09.39 | WobWork | figured as much. |
| 01:09.40 | Dagmar | Just a bit less, afaik |
| 01:09.58 | Dagmar | THey also use a mechanism for determining when your toys are present so they're not just running power through the loop non-stop |
| 01:10.01 | WobWork | Probably a better habit to switch it off at the wall anyway when not using it |
| 01:10.10 | Dagmar | In general, yeah |
| 01:10.28 | Dagmar | I've got all my "toys" charging from one power strip |
| 01:10.57 | Thunder_Child | vibrators and whatnot? |
| 01:11.04 | Dagmar | Cell phone, PDA, MP3 player, earpiece, headphones, etc |
| 01:11.37 | Dagmar | If nothing else, six wall warts actually do make a bit of heat |
| 01:13.24 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: I'm sure some of them have a vibrate option |
| 01:15.09 | Thunder_Child | WobWork: and you would know this how? |
| 01:15.36 | WobWork | I'm expressing a hope that your wish be fufilled |
| 01:15.47 | WobWork | Just so you won't be disappointed |
| 01:18.21 | Thunder_Child | i always assume i will be disapointed that way, i can never be |
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| 01:40.12 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: so the guy didnt intend to draw power from the lines via inductance? |
| 01:51.24 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.24 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.05 | WobWork | ... since when has Conroy been in SA? |
| 01:52.48 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/05/derren-brown-investigates-tomorro-ch4-10pm/ |
| 02:05.45 | WobWork | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/WRWW3.gif |
| 02:06.11 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:06.31 | WobWork | love how the dog and cat are just watching |
| 02:08.08 | Kraps | which one should i take? http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=40685;48724 |
| 02:10.52 | Kraps | ? |
| 02:17.05 | WobWork | Kraps: as a... |
| 02:17.37 | Kraps | disc priest |
| 02:17.49 | WobWork | what's your haste? |
| 02:17.50 | Kraps | its too late anyway :( |
| 02:18.03 | WobWork | go the int =) |
| 02:18.24 | WobWork | haste, after cap isn't really as important as SP/Crit |
| 02:18.40 | Kraps | i already transferred the emblems :( |
| 02:19.25 | WobWork | what -is- your haste percentage atm? |
| 02:19.33 | Kraps | 1 sec |
| 02:19.54 | WobWork | are you intending to be a raid bubbler? |
| 02:20.00 | WobWork | 10mans or 25? |
| 02:20.02 | Kraps | 9.64 |
| 02:20.32 | WobWork | k |
| 02:20.38 | WobWork | 11% is the softcap for disc priests |
| 02:20.43 | WobWork | cause that's a GCD limited bubble |
| 02:21.11 | WobWork | if all you're intending is to be a 25man bubblepriest, that's all you need |
| 02:21.32 | WobWork | at which point you work on SP/Crit to help out with Divine Aegis |
| 02:21.44 | WobWork | (SP for stronger bubbles, though) |
| 02:22.09 | WobWork | 10 mans you'll be a little more flexible in what you're able to cast |
| 02:22.20 | Jerub | omg i love shaman healing |
| 02:22.23 | Jerub | level 33 now. |
| 02:22.28 | WobWork | it's great isn't it? =) |
| 02:22.36 | Jerub | so i'm slightly past the hump where it's "turn up and put down healing stream" |
| 02:22.46 | Jerub | and i've done the quests so i can do totemic recall etc. |
| 02:22.49 | WobWork | I think the healing I've found most stressful is tree |
| 02:22.56 | WobWork | Shaman is fun |
| 02:23.00 | WobWork | and Disc is the laziest |
| 02:23.07 | Jerub | yeah, tree is gcd management and keeping those cds for dire emergencies. |
| 02:23.20 | Jerub | at least trees can heal and move |
| 02:23.21 | WobWork | I have a terrible habit of not using cooldowns |
| 02:23.28 | WobWork | which causes me no end of grief as a tree |
| 02:23.33 | Jerub | yes, that's exactly it |
| 02:23.36 | Jerub | same with my bear |
| 02:23.41 | Jerub | he never stuns because the cd is too long |
| 02:23.45 | Kraps | i find shammy healing limited at 80 |
| 02:23.46 | Jerub | whereas my warrior stuns every attack. |
| 02:23.59 | WobWork | I need to throw around pain suppression more as a disc priest even |
| 02:24.15 | Jerub | WobWork: i find myself using swiftmend now that i've glyphed it |
| 02:24.42 | Jerub | i'm pushing my shaman to 35 so he can learn next level of enchanting. |
| 02:25.06 | Jerub | i made probably a grand all up from deing all the stuff i had from leveling tailoring and blacksmithing |
| 02:25.07 | WobWork | healtanking is fun when levelling |
| 02:25.37 | Jerub | WobWork: instance only levelling is the way i've been playing |
| 02:25.57 | Jerub | i queue dps classes while watching tv, then smash my heal and tank classes in a row |
| 02:26.10 | Jerub | but i'm staritng to get more rested than i use each day on my level 70 warrior :( |
| 02:26.34 | WobWork | I got a warrior to 25 this weekend |
| 02:26.44 | WobWork | who cares about rested with heirloom items =P |
| 02:27.42 | Jerub | WobWork: i've changed how i play it. |
| 02:27.53 | WobWork | which? |
| 02:28.09 | Jerub | WobWork: i've decided to balance rested on all but 1 of my toons so that they're always on rested but never 150% rested |
| 02:28.21 | Jerub | then have one toon that i always play without rested. |
| 02:28.27 | WobWork | sounds good |
| 02:28.45 | WobWork | except the different healing styles always throw me off when switching after a while |
| 02:28.50 | Jerub | ... i played my shaman till my eyes were bleeding this weekend. 27->33 |
| 02:29.00 | WobWork | eg, shammy healing after disc healing... so many dead people =P |
| 02:29.04 | Jerub | WobWork: going shaman to level 80 mage for raiding the other night was an adjustment |
| 02:29.14 | Jerub | also, FOR FUCK'S SAKE. Heigen the unclean |
| 02:29.21 | WobWork | hahaha =) |
| 02:29.25 | Jerub | we had a 0 death naxx run up until the safety dance. |
| 02:29.26 | Jerub | 5 deaths |
| 02:29.41 | Jerub | (naxx sounded like easier badges than queueing for randoms, and it was ;) |
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| 02:30.26 | Jerub | and i got gear upgrades. |
| 02:30.40 | WobWork | yeah, we're 8manning it for the achieves |
| 02:30.45 | Jerub | (i was given shit for asking for naxx level loot, but i was also 3rd on the dps charts, behind the 2 highest geared people there) |
| 02:30.56 | WobWork | then we discovered we had only two tanks for the dog |
| 02:31.17 | Jerub | most fights only need 1 tank with current gear levels. |
| 02:31.24 | Jerub | dog? |
| 02:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | gluth |
| 02:31.48 | WobWork | gluth has a stacking healing debuff |
| 02:31.52 | Jerub | i did 5/8ths of naxx plus saph+kt last night |
| 02:32.01 | WobWork | which we discovered when the tank had 10 stacks |
| 02:32.21 | WobWork | also, having one of the tanks doing the zombie kiting, then going back to the boss is not a good idea |
| 02:32.29 | WobWork | with the zombie debuff at 80 |
| 02:32.44 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 02:32.47 | Jerub | dps faster. |
| 02:32.48 | Jerub | :P |
| 02:32.59 | Kraps | Shirik |
| 02:33.02 | Shirik | 184Kb AFD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bullshido.net_(4th_nomination) |
| 02:33.05 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: "discovered"? how did you not already know that :P |
| 02:33.06 | WobWork | Jerub: lrn2play |
| 02:33.08 | Jerub | it's a 15 second debuff, get a rogue to evasion tank ;) |
| 02:33.12 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: oh I've done it -before- |
| 02:33.16 | WobWork | but with a proper raid setup |
| 02:33.23 | WobWork | with a tank kiting the zombies |
| 02:33.26 | WobWork | and two on the boss |
| 02:33.48 | WobWork | I've never had to have only two tanks, with one doing kiting duty |
| 02:33.55 | WobWork | so they never interacted |
| 02:34.01 | WobWork | and so I never 'experienced' it |
| 02:34.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, why did you even try just one tank tanking it :P |
| 02:34.18 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: can't be done |
| 02:34.33 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: zombies need to be kited |
| 02:34.39 | NightHawkTheSane | sigh |
| 02:34.40 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 02:34.41 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: this is the problem with people never having done Naxx before |
| 02:34.55 | WobWork | sure, the ones that went through the whole thing reacted fine |
| 02:34.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, WobWork should have known that a) gluth has a stacking debuff and that you can't have just one tank kite him |
| 02:35.07 | WobWork | I tried to explain =P |
| 02:35.19 | WobWork | also, I'd forgotten about the debuff |
| 02:35.29 | WobWork | Or rather, as a tank, I didn't care about the debuff |
| 02:35.35 | WobWork | only that it didn't get too high |
| 02:35.42 | NightHawkTheSane | so, i'm really hearing "we forgot how the fight works, and forgot to explain it to people who didnt do it" :P |
| 02:35.42 | WobWork | and that I had to trade off |
| 02:36.02 | WobWork | It's all about compartmentalisation |
| 02:36.11 | Jerub | WobWork: at least with these gear levels we managed to do arachnid and plague with only deaths on safety dance. |
| 02:36.12 | WobWork | I never tank healed on Gluth |
| 02:36.17 | Jerub | WobWork: without explanations and mostly tank+spank |
| 02:36.18 | WobWork | only tanked |
| 02:36.22 | WobWork | Jerub: yeah |
| 02:36.31 | WobWork | well, most of them are tank/spankable now |
| 02:36.37 | WobWork | except those with a 'trick' |
| 02:36.39 | WobWork | like the dance |
| 02:36.41 | WobWork | and Gluth |
| 02:36.42 | WobWork | and Thaddius |
| 02:36.53 | WobWork | and the four horseman, although we can probably tank/spank that now |
| 02:37.34 | Jerub | WobWork: four horsemen, gluth, thaddius, saph, gothik. |
| 02:37.36 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: also, even if you 'explain' things |
| 02:37.43 | WobWork | you're never going to get it right the first time |
| 02:37.54 | WobWork | because the major players are the new ones |
| 02:37.56 | WobWork | ie, the tanks |
| 02:37.56 | Jerub | imagine a toc25 raid group going in and trying to do gothik without anyone to say, "uh, split up" |
| 02:38.33 | WobWork | So I don't blame them for not trading off at the right time, or not realising that the zombie debuff affects tanking to that level |
| 02:38.44 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: eh, i dunno, if you explain the fight properly, any decent player will get it, barring really odd mechanics |
| 02:38.58 | NightHawkTheSane | and a tank-swap-on-debuff is not a strange mechanic |
| 02:39.01 | WobWork | if you expect perfection on the first time, then you need to go suck on your GS in the corner there =P |
| 02:39.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont expect perfection, I'm just really questioning how you went into a fight so massively unprepared for it :P |
| 02:40.00 | Jerub | i've gotta say tho, doing naxx was awesome for me last night. 2 purples and 12+ badges. |
| 02:40.00 | WobWork | It was more a 'oh no, our kiting pally has died from standing too still' |
| 02:40.09 | Jerub | and i spend 4g on repairs :P |
| 02:40.09 | WobWork | "Don't worrry, I'll pick them up!" |
| 02:40.34 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: welcome to 8manning Naxx on a whim =P |
| 02:40.46 | WobWork | with only two people who have done it before |
| 02:40.55 | WobWork | both of them healers |
| 02:41.11 | Jerub | WobWork: how many bosses did you get? |
| 02:41.31 | WobWork | um. Spider wing and up to gluth |
| 02:41.41 | WobWork | we've got thaddius to go |
| 02:41.47 | WobWork | because people didn't listen |
| 02:41.49 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, thats why i dont do things like that on a whim. i have a lot of patience for progression, but the "lulz lets dance through old content" never goes well. |
| 02:41.57 | WobWork | and didn't pull the giants after gluth one by one |
| 02:42.13 | WobWork | so consequently, a full giant pull plus all those other adds |
| 02:42.17 | WobWork | == raidwipe =P |
| 02:42.19 | Jerub | WobWork: lol, we had trouble with the stone golems. |
| 02:42.29 | WobWork | "try getting knockbacked closer to the healers!!" |
| 02:42.34 | Jerub | WobWork: we had them heal 2-3 times before someone started marking and saying KILL SKULL |
| 02:43.04 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: I agree, I much prefer going through content -at level- |
| 02:43.24 | WobWork | being able to ignore mechanics through sheer item level is stupid |
| 02:43.35 | Jerub | WobWork: but everything's so unblaanced. |
| 02:43.40 | Jerub | i was reading a gnomer article. |
| 02:43.41 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: oh, i dont even mind going back and crushing old content if it helps someone get gear, or for achievements, or whatnot |
| 02:43.57 | Jerub | WobWork: did you know the last boss in gnomeregan has special abilities you can counter? |
| 02:44.00 | Jerub | I didn't. |
| 02:44.02 | Jerub | we burn him and loot. |
| 02:44.31 | NightHawkTheSane | but that lazy "we have gear, just kill it" attitude ends up in wipes on dumb shit, and gets old very fast. |
| 02:45.00 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: generally that run went well. we weren't expecting the gear to compensate |
| 02:45.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: you mean the bombs you can turn off? |
| 02:45.19 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: you can turn those off? |
| 02:45.21 | WobWork | it's just when things went unexpected and people tried to compensate without understanding debuff conflicts |
| 02:45.23 | Jerub | what do those bombs do? |
| 02:45.33 | WobWork | they blow up |
| 02:45.36 | WobWork | but you can stop them being made |
| 02:45.39 | NightHawkTheSane | typically what bombs do :P |
| 02:45.40 | WobWork | by pressing the buttons |
| 02:45.44 | Jerub | i hate how to read a debuff you have to hover your mouse |
| 02:45.59 | Jerub | there should be a button, "SHOW ME THAT NEW DEBUFF WHILE I FACEROLLOL" |
| 02:46.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: yeah, that's a huge weakness that's always annoyed me |
| 02:46.16 | WobWork | That's the main reason I don't know debuffs |
| 02:46.24 | WobWork | ie, I know "Don't stack it to 10" |
| 02:46.29 | WobWork | but I don't know -why- |
| 02:46.32 | Jerub | that's why dbm is required really. |
| 02:46.37 | NightHawkTheSane | nah |
| 02:46.43 | WobWork | one the one hand, if it's just a damage increase, we could gear through it |
| 02:46.47 | WobWork | if it's a healing debuff, you can't |
| 02:46.52 | NightHawkTheSane | you can avoid that with a modicum of research |
| 02:47.07 | Jerub | dbm is the thing that summarises what the debuff is and shows you what you should do. |
| 02:47.14 | NightHawkTheSane | but that shouldn't be required |
| 02:47.19 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: sometimes =) |
| 02:47.33 | WobWork | I get totally confused still on Jaraxxus |
| 02:47.39 | WobWork | as to which debuff is which |
| 02:47.47 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: eh, i've never met a fight that research on wowwiki/youtube didn't prepare me well enough for |
| 02:47.49 | WobWork | "Do I move? Do I overheal? Do I panic?" |
| 02:47.58 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: your reserach won't let you know from looking at [debuffbox] 5s if that's, [500 damage every seconds] or [10000 damage unless you run into the water can't be dispelled] 5s |
| 02:48.13 | Jerub | WobWork: FLESH FROM BONE -> overheal. |
| 02:48.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: if the icons are differentiable, it will |
| 02:48.39 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: but you're not going to get them all the first time |
| 02:48.47 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: the icon set is too small, they all blur together, you have to have a reference open and visible to match them |
| 02:49.10 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: no, but thats what learning a fight is about, the research definitely helps, though |
| 02:49.24 | WobWork | Aha, so you -can- learn, eh? =P |
| 02:49.25 | Jerub | is it the Rip/Gouge debuff icon? is it the Bleed debuff icon? is it the one that looks like the 'What the Eck!?' one? |
| 02:49.50 | WobWork | You were just poohpoohing my raid for not getting it right the first time =P |
| 02:49.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: er, i dunno, I never have difficulty identifying debuff icons at a glance |
| 02:50.27 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: no, i'm poohpoohing your raid for walking entirely unprepared into 4-tiers-old content :P |
| 02:50.51 | NightHawkTheSane | compared to doing some pre-planning for relatively current content |
| 02:51.18 | WobWork | The preparation was having a few people who knew the fights |
| 02:51.40 | WobWork | Personally, I see no issue with wiping on what's new content to some people |
| 02:51.42 | WobWork | despite their gear |
| 02:52.01 | WobWork | We would have wiped anyway, due to raid makeup |
| 02:52.13 | WobWork | but it was all we could field at the time |
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| 02:52.54 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: really, that was what made me skeptical, is that if your raid makeup was poor, you should have known ahead of time it wasn't going to work |
| 02:53.10 | WobWork | which doesn't prevent us from running what content we could |
| 02:53.26 | WobWork | "Sorry, we can't do -anything- cause we can't do a few of the fights." |
| 02:53.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i wasn't talking about the other fights, though :P |
| 02:53.34 | WobWork | "Lets give up now, while we're behind!" |
| 02:53.56 | airtonix | "T_T free lewts are elusive" |
| 02:54.43 | Thunder_Child | this is kinda freeky http://gizmodo.com/5547922/fake-nipples-aim-to-destroy-you-boys |
| 02:55.04 | WobWork | in any case |
| 02:55.11 | WobWork | if people have never done it before |
| 02:55.19 | WobWork | why -not- run the encounter |
| 02:55.24 | WobWork | even if it's doomed to failure? |
| 02:55.34 | WobWork | people have to learn somehow |
| 02:55.41 | WobWork | and people learn best when things go wrong |
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| 02:56.43 | NightHawkTheSane | eh. i'm all for learning from mistakes. but i'm not sure i could get behind "we can't actually succeed at this, but let's try anyway" attitude. i have a problem with futility. |
| 02:57.26 | WobWork | It's called a learning experience =P |
| 02:57.42 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe, just not one i would value :) |
| 02:57.44 | WobWork | See, now the tanks know that it's futile to try and tank both the zombies and dog |
| 02:58.11 | WobWork | cause what's the downside of wiping? |
| 02:58.16 | WobWork | oh, a repair bill |
| 02:58.19 | WobWork | oh dear =( |
| 02:58.25 | NightHawkTheSane | time. |
| 02:58.32 | WobWork | which we'd be wasting anyway |
| 02:58.33 | NightHawkTheSane | that, and potentially learning things the wrong way |
| 02:58.54 | WobWork | like? |
| 02:58.58 | NightHawkTheSane | if you already know you can't succeed, you're just wasting time, and potentially learning things that are inappropriate anyway |
| 02:59.08 | WobWork | Well no. |
| 02:59.12 | WobWork | We thought we could succeed |
| 02:59.24 | WobWork | but the pally kiter misjudged how long he could stand still for |
| 02:59.26 | WobWork | so he died |
| 02:59.37 | WobWork | and one of the dog tanks saw this and said |
| 02:59.41 | WobWork | I'll take them! |
| 02:59.52 | WobWork | and went kiting |
| 03:00.08 | WobWork | it's not that we -couldn't- do it. |
| 03:00.12 | WobWork | because we -did- |
| 03:00.31 | WobWork | it's just that, for people who have never done it before, it takes a time or two to -understand- how the mechanics work |
| 03:00.37 | WobWork | stuff you can't figure out by reading |
| 03:00.38 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm speaking about a "doomed to failure" attempt. |
| 03:00.40 | NightHawkTheSane | which you brought up |
| 03:01.10 | WobWork | We eventually had it so that the hunter and pally traded off kitings |
| 03:02.19 | NightHawkTheSane | see, all i knew is what you said "We would have wiped anyway, due to raid makeup", my assumption was that the raid comp was such that success was not feasible, but due to forgetting the encounter mechanics, you tried anyway |
| 03:02.29 | NightHawkTheSane | not "we just organized poorly, and then fixed it" |
| 03:03.26 | NightHawkTheSane | My point is that a) if you know success is not feasible, there isn't a lot of valuable learning to be done from a guaranteed wipe. b) if you dont know that success is not feasiable, you're not prepared for the fight |
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| 03:14.00 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i need a sonic canon |
| 03:16.38 | Mikk | one that shoots brown notes or little puffrings? |
| 03:16.53 | Thunder_Child | one that sets off explosives |
| 03:17.31 | Mikk | rawr that reminded me of the southpark kids getting the whole world to play brown noise |
| 03:20.26 | Thunder_Child | and i just saw sulu hawking sharp products |
| 03:22.03 | mikma | http://www.cufflinks.com/silver-2gb-usb-flash-drive-cufflinks.html |
| 03:23.32 | Arrowmaster | why is it so fucking hot at 11:30pm |
| 03:24.02 | Kraps | ^ |
| 03:24.05 | Mikk | blame the icelandic volcano |
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| 03:26.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: i blame the sun |
| 03:27.39 | Mikk | brilliant idea |
| 03:27.43 | Mikk | (see what i did there?) |
| 03:28.09 | WobWork | so what's a good free antivir? |
| 03:28.11 | Mikk | it's a SHINING example of bad humor |
| 03:28.31 | WobWork | Mikk: That was blindingly obvious |
| 03:28.46 | Mikk | as is the sun, yes! |
| 03:29.11 | Mikk | well.. half the time anyway |
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| 03:29.26 | kd3 | wtf; $200 cufflinks? |
| 03:30.08 | WobWork | is that... unlikely for cufflinks? |
| 03:30.15 | Thunder_Child | the 4gb ones? |
| 03:30.36 | kd3 | points at mikma's link |
| 03:30.37 | kd3 | ya |
| 03:30.53 | Thunder_Child | ah, then yes |
| 03:34.43 | NightHawkTheSane | does anyone know a library that handles HTML5 local storage library? |
| 03:38.01 | Cide | no |
| 03:38.35 | Cide | but there's a great library redundancy library |
| 03:39.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: bah :P |
| 03:39.37 | NightHawkTheSane | you know what i meant, i just wasn't paying close attention when i typed that |
| 03:39.38 | kd3 | libRedundlib? |
| 03:39.43 | kd3 | checks his repos |
| 03:44.08 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: isn't that sqlite? |
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| 03:44.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: yeah |
| 03:44.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i was hoping someone had written something to abstract it slightly. *shrug* |
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| 03:52.15 | Mikk | Btw do we know how AVR will be broken in 3.3.5? |
| 03:52.30 | WobWork | yeah |
| 03:52.49 | WobWork | they're disabling the camera yaw or soemthing |
| 03:52.54 | Mikk | nods |
| 03:52.59 | Mikk | I was hoping for something like that |
| 03:53.12 | WobWork | what doesn't it affect of yours? |
| 03:53.42 | Mikk | Well er not many addons read camera stats |
| 03:54.06 | Mikk | The alternative would be yanking out instance coords again. Which would be mildly annoying :P |
| 03:56.10 | Jerub | Mikk: wait, you're not Mik of MSBT are you? |
| 03:56.34 | WobWork | That's Mikord |
| 03:56.39 | Mikk | ~mikk |
| 03:56.39 | purl | you are probably NOT the guy that wrote MSBT (that's Mikord). Mikk likes fiddling with central libraries and screaming about inefficient code. He will happily accept orders for WoW related graphics to keep him occupied. |
| 03:56.53 | Jerub | lol, that's awesome that you've got that |
| 03:57.01 | NightHawkTheSane | probably because people keep asking ;) |
| 03:57.09 | Mikk | mebbe :P |
| 03:57.37 | Jerub | i used to have one that told people to shut up about my spelling because i used to irc over telnet and was so lagged i'd write an entire line before any output came up. |
| 03:58.15 | MoonWitch | Seerah|away: ping |
| 03:58.22 | Jerub | ... man i'm feeling old now |
| 03:58.32 | WobWork | pats Jerub |
| 03:58.38 | WobWork | hands Jerub his walker |
| 03:58.51 | Jerub | or young. that was '02. i was sharing a 128kbit isdn link with 5 other developerws. and we did all our work over telnet to a webserver |
| 03:59.00 | WobWork | I feel old when taking people through Naxx who have never done it |
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| 03:59.09 | WobWork | Or Kara |
| 03:59.15 | Jerub | WobWork: wow wasn't even released in the time period i'm talking about :P |
| 03:59.19 | Jerub | i've never done kara |
| 03:59.21 | Jerub | i've done naxx |
| 03:59.29 | Jerub | with instance appropriate gear |
| 03:59.32 | WobWork | Kara was -awesome- at level |
| 03:59.41 | WobWork | (for at least the first few months) |
| 03:59.45 | Jerub | it shits me that naxx10/25 has such different gera |
| 04:00.07 | Jerub | i'd love to crank naxx10 up to 'heroic' difficulty and get better gear than i can in heroics. |
| 04:00.14 | Jerub | but naxx 25 requires too many people |
| 04:00.39 | MoonWitch | still need to get undying |
| 04:01.23 | MoonWitch | well i had half an hour of sleep left :*( |
| 04:04.32 | Jerub | MoonWitch: safety dance :( |
| 04:04.44 | Jerub | we also had iceblock related deaths on saph |
| 04:05.26 | Xyphoid | i like the overlapping iceblock one |
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| 04:08.35 | MoonWitch | jerub i knoe |
| 04:09.06 | MoonWitch | looks like one of my drives is failing |
| 04:09.30 | MoonWitch | (getting a mechanical click sound - like the sound when a pc powers off - at random) |
| 04:09.35 | Jerub | next two gear upgrades on my mage should be offhand and cloak |
| 04:09.42 | Jerub | actually, i don't want an offhand, i want nibelung :/ |
| 04:15.56 | Jerub | can you have more than 1 authenticator on your account? |
| 04:16.05 | MoonWitch | doubtful |
| 04:16.09 | Jamash | no |
| 04:16.10 | Mikk | doubts too |
| 04:16.28 | MoonWitch | oh Mikk, did you watch the link of youtube I put in (honey) |
| 04:16.29 | Mikk | technically it's certainly possible |
| 04:16.39 | Mikk | no? |
| 04:16.58 | MoonWitch | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl6BtJaJvy0 |
| 04:17.16 | Mikk | i think you want mikma :P |
| 04:17.21 | MoonWitch | riight |
| 04:17.23 | MoonWitch | sorry |
| 04:17.26 | MoonWitch | slept 2 ours |
| 04:17.30 | MoonWitch | hours* |
| 04:17.38 | MoonWitch | forgive me |
| 04:18.01 | Mikk | not that i don't like honey dipped apples. i do |
| 04:18.07 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 04:18.07 | Jerub | i'm trying to figure out how to write an auctionhouse app for the android |
| 04:18.25 | Jerub | but using it with authenticators as well is going to be required. |
| 04:18.35 | MoonWitch | ok continuing getting dressed |
| 04:18.59 | Jerub | you don't really need pants |
| 04:19.03 | Jamash | ^ |
| 04:19.48 | Jerub | i think i might just write a combination authenticator armory app ;) |
| 04:20.06 | Jerub | easier than anything else ;) |
| 04:20.06 | Kraps | did sunwell, very cool |
| 04:20.33 | Jamash | I've never done sunwell :( |
| 04:21.08 | Kraps | me neither till now |
| 04:26.03 | Jerub | i did MGT the other day |
| 04:27.39 | Jerub | wasn't as hard as i was led to believe |
| 04:27.55 | Shirik | omg kraps |
| 04:28.13 | Shirik | epic failure |
| 04:28.16 | Shirik | eswiki is crap |
| 04:28.31 | Shirik | I'm talking to a dev, 2 eswiki admins, and a steward right now |
| 04:28.34 | Shirik | we broked it :( |
| 04:28.59 | A-KO | I'm gonna go to hell for this one, but in Red Dead I've got a woman and 2 cops tied up and on the train tracks |
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| 04:34.35 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIrXwYhwicg |
| 04:36.28 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:36.31 | Shirik | Oprah got trolled |
| 04:39.52 | A-KO | yes, yes she did |
| 04:41.00 | Jerub | that wa sa long time ago wasn't it? |
| 04:47.28 | MoonWitch | you reckon an i3 is sufficient for wow on a laptop? |
| 04:47.44 | Jerub | MoonWitch: buy me one and i'll tell you |
| 04:47.58 | Jerub | probably best if you get me a cataclysm beta login too |
| 04:48.20 | MoonWitch | if I get a beta log (wink at Cairenn again), I am soo keeping it :P |
| 04:48.37 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:48.57 | MoonWitch | I know you don't personally pick the beta ppl |
| 04:49.00 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 04:49.21 | MoonWitch | just trying to figure out which laptop to get so I can happily recover while on the pc ;) |
| 04:49.28 | MoonWitch | anyhow - gotta go |
| 04:49.32 | Jerub | AAAAHHHH HYPERV |
| 04:49.40 | MoonWitch | gotta go annoy ppl into submission at work |
| 04:55.01 | Thunder_Child | a thrid cats and dogs movie *sigh* |
| 04:55.08 | Thunder_Child | third* |
| 04:56.14 | Thunder_Child | i'm impressed, imdb has entries for burn notice all the way out to 2012 |
| 04:56.46 | Thunder_Child | they should really cross the lass ones out and say 'cancled due to end of world' |
| 04:56.53 | Thunder_Child | canceled* |
| 04:56.56 | Thunder_Child | last* |
| 04:57.00 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 04:57.51 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 04:58.05 | airtonix | NightHawkTheSane, doesn't webkit have html5 localstorage ? |
| 04:58.15 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 04:58.16 | purl | ~pong |
| 04:59.49 | NightHawkTheSane | airtonix: yes. What i actually meant was technically 'web database' not 'local storage' (my bad), and what i was looking for was javascript library of somesort to abstract the SQLite api. doesn't appear to be one yet *shrug* |
| 05:00.25 | airtonix | you could use jquerys json aspect to talk to it maybe |
| 05:01.51 | Jamash | sqlite... javascript??? |
| 05:01.54 | Jamash | my head hurts now |
| 05:02.22 | NightHawkTheSane | airtonix: dont think that would work unless there's some jquery plugin to handle the api calls, i dont know of one though |
| 05:03.27 | airtonix | how are you going to access the api calls if the dbase is not local ? |
| 05:03.39 | airtonix | you'd be using an RPC connection ? |
| 05:04.15 | NightHawkTheSane | er |
| 05:04.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm talking about the web database feature of html5. |
| 05:04.51 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a locally stored sqlite database, with a javascript api. |
| 05:05.05 | NightHawkTheSane | http://dev.w3.org/html5/webdatabase/ |
| 05:05.29 | Jamash | so you are talking about local storage |
| 05:06.00 | airtonix | http://code.google.com/p/jquery-jstore/source/browse/trunk/src/engines/jStore.Html5.js?r=6 |
| 05:06.04 | NightHawkTheSane | no, local storage is slightly different |
| 05:06.10 | airtonix | something like that ? |
| 05:06.31 | NightHawkTheSane | no, that uses local storage, which is just a locally stored hash mapping of keys to values. |
| 05:06.31 | airtonix | i'd just make a jquery plugin |
| 05:06.38 | Jamash | oh |
| 05:06.41 | NightHawkTheSane | this is an actual sqlite db. |
| 05:07.15 | airtonix | http://blog.darkcrimson.com/2010/05/local-databases/ |
| 05:07.25 | airtonix | still not right ? |
| 05:08.18 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, thats what i'm referring to, thats just a tutorial of how to use the existing APIs |
| 05:08.33 | Jamash | ah, so you want a library that lets you use the database without having to write SQL? |
| 05:08.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i was just wondering if someone had written a library of some sort to abstract that a bit. |
| 05:08.48 | NiLon | for what you need database? |
| 05:09.03 | airtonix | many whelps... |
| 05:09.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: ideally, yeah. kind of like how there's ORMs and other DALs for server side languages |
| 05:09.09 | Jamash | a worthy goal; nobody should ever write SQL |
| 05:09.30 | Shirik | I would like to see SQL die really |
| 05:09.49 | Shirik | if we could replace SQL with object-oriented databases that would be so beautiful |
| 05:10.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: get to work, then? ;) |
| 05:10.12 | Shirik | no thank you |
| 05:10.17 | Shirik | I've done some work in that field |
| 05:10.19 | Shirik | it's a nightmare |
| 05:10.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont disagree, but right now SQLs rather good at what it does *shrug* |
| 05:10.24 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/user/raepmykipz#p/a/u/0/S_fiocSNP9g |
| 05:10.53 | Shirik | I mean OODBMSes are so easy to use |
| 05:10.55 | Shirik | it's beautiful |
| 05:11.00 | Shirik | but actually creating one is a nightmare |
| 05:11.06 | Shirik | once someone does it well though |
| 05:11.10 | Shirik | SQL's going to die quickly I think |
| 05:11.28 | Shirik | It will become the FORTRAN of databases |
| 05:11.42 | NiLon | "quickly" = >10 years :P |
| 05:12.10 | Shirik | that's quickly imo :P |
| 05:12.20 | NightHawkTheSane | NiLon: also, i need a databse for storing data, you know, the kinds of things you use them for ;) |
| 05:12.36 | NiLon | NightHawkTheSane yeah but with js? |
| 05:12.54 | NiLon | I'm not saying it's bad idea, but where you need database.. |
| 05:13.18 | NightHawkTheSane | NiLon: for a locally stored web app, there's really no other option ;) |
| 05:14.07 | NiLon | NightHawkTheSane well there's mongodb for example :p |
| 05:14.08 | NightHawkTheSane | locally stored datbases are pretty neat for a bunch of other reasons, too |
| 05:15.14 | NiLon | http://github.com/sergi/narwhal-mongodb like so |
| 05:15.25 | Jamash | making some sort of persistent data engine for web apps = good |
| 05:15.37 | Jamash | using sql for said engine = bad |
| 05:16.22 | NiLon | really imo mongo sits way better for js than sql would |
| 05:16.54 | NiLon | I'm not saying that's the answer but anyway |
| 05:17.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: i dont see why? it's fairly well known, and does what it needs to do pretty well. |
| 05:17.52 | NightHawkTheSane | where does mongodb actually -store- its data, though? |
| 05:17.58 | Jamash | let's put it this way |
| 05:18.28 | Shirik | You know what |
| 05:18.32 | Shirik | the internet was a really bad idea |
| 05:18.34 | Shirik | we should just destroy it |
| 05:18.38 | Jamash | ^ |
| 05:18.43 | Jamash | I'm working on it |
| 05:20.06 | Jamash | SQL is _not a language_ |
| 05:20.12 | Shirik | Except it is |
| 05:20.17 | Shirik | especially because L stands for language |
| 05:20.24 | Jamash | well, in the way that English is a language |
| 05:20.30 | NiLon | NightHawkTheSane by default to localhost |
| 05:20.56 | Jamash | yes, SQL is a language |
| 05:21.05 | NiLon | what the |
| 05:21.10 | NiLon | make up your mind :P |
| 05:21.27 | Jamash | In the sense of a computer language, SQL is not a language |
| 05:21.39 | NiLon | oh? |
| 05:21.46 | Jamash | it is about twenty languages |
| 05:21.52 | Jamash | all incompatible with each other |
| 05:22.07 | NiLon | like c and c++ ? |
| 05:22.15 | Jamash | worse |
| 05:22.22 | NightHawkTheSane | NiLon: er, mongodb is still a server-side db, though, yeah? |
| 05:22.24 | NiLon | so c isn't computer language? |
| 05:22.45 | Shirik | something really bad just happened |
| 05:22.49 | Shirik | I'm not sure what |
| 05:22.55 | Jamash | http://blog.vlad1.com/2009/04/06/html5-web-storage-and-sql/ |
| 05:22.57 | Shirik | but news agencies are freaking out |
| 05:24.17 | NiLon | Jamash I'm really trying to work here, what is sql if not natural language nor computer language? |
| 05:24.57 | Jamash | I just said, it's not "a" language, it's a hodgepodge of related languages |
| 05:24.58 | Thunder_Child | te amo Fisker, te amo |
| 05:25.52 | NiLon | Jamash well sql itself is language, but "slangs" are more common |
| 05:26.26 | NiLon | slang is maybe bad word but like dialect? |
| 05:26.31 | Shirik | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/31/gaza.protest/ |
| 05:26.41 | Jamash | Like I said, it's a language in the sense that English is a language. It's not that difficult to find two "English" speakers who are mutually unintelligible. |
| 05:27.17 | Thunder_Child | thtas like 10 min old Shirik |
| 05:27.22 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:27.28 | Shirik | I am sorry I am so slow! |
| 05:27.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: erm, so what you're really saying is that SQL is a language, but that it has a number of dialects. Which still makes it a language. |
| 05:28.24 | NightHawkTheSane | just a somewhat ugly one :P |
| 05:28.54 | Shirik | SQL is to C as OODBMS is to C++ |
| 05:29.05 | Shirik | ugly vs awesome |
| 05:29.05 | Jamash | read the article I linked |
| 05:29.19 | Jamash | "This is a serious interop problem, the root of which is that there really isn't a useful core SQL standard." |
| 05:29.20 | NiLon | Shirik that gaza news don't say a frag to me, is that something special? |
| 05:29.28 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:29.30 | Xyphoid | hey relational data is beautiful |
| 05:29.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: i did, and i agree with it, generally |
| 05:29.42 | Jamash | ok, I'll rephrase my earlier statement |
| 05:30.00 | Jamash | SQL is not a standardized language. |
| 05:30.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i think the analogy you wanted was sql:oodbms :: c:c++ |
| 05:30.55 | NiLon | Jamash actually it is |
| 05:30.55 | Shirik | actually Jamash, SQL is standardized |
| 05:30.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 05:30.55 | Jamash | oh, right, it has a standard which nobody bothers to implement as written |
| 05:30.55 | Shirik | And most databases ARE in fact fairly compliant with the standard; just everyone wants to use the five million extra features that aren't in the standard |
| 05:30.55 | Shirik | because the standard doesn't give you much :P |
| 05:31.00 | Xyphoid | i'll sure agree that a rdbms isn't the best persistance store for an OO app, but relational databases aren't 'more primitive' than oodbms's |
| 05:31.04 | Jamash | if nobody implements a standard, it is not a standard |
| 05:31.12 | NightHawkTheSane | they do implement the standard |
| 05:31.16 | NightHawkTheSane | they just go beyond it |
| 05:31.27 | Shirik | Just like Freenode is implementing the IRC standard |
| 05:31.29 | Shirik | but does more |
| 05:31.34 | Shirik | For example |
| 05:31.37 | Jamash | which brings us back to my previous statement: it is not a standardized language |
| 05:31.45 | NiLon | Jamash standard doesn't come from usage, so there is standards even if anyone would not use em |
| 05:31.47 | NightHawkTheSane | if you only write 100% standard compliant SQL, it'll work on nearly every sql-based db there is |
| 05:32.10 | Shirik | This message does not have to be accepted by the server, according to IRC protocol |
| 05:32.20 | Shirik | but Freenode is cool |
| 05:32.24 | Shirik | they accept it anyway |
| 05:32.40 | NiLon | Jamash you can always pick sql standard server for your use, but you miss features that different dialects will offer so there's no really point |
| 05:32.49 | Jamash | yes, exactly |
| 05:32.58 | Jamash | we agree :) |
| 05:33.10 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5546951/just-say-i-boo-+lean-for-these-coders-wedding-cake |
| 05:33.30 | Shirik | ew |
| 05:33.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: it's perfectly valid to argue that the multitude of dialects makes things annoying to switch betwen popular rdbms' |
| 05:33.37 | Shirik | who writes until (death == true); |
| 05:33.38 | NiLon | Jamash but that's retarded, it's like saying that lisp and c++ don't have same syntax |
| 05:33.41 | NightHawkTheSane | but you really can't say the sql isn't stanardized. |
| 05:33.42 | Shirik | obviously until(death) |
| 05:34.06 | Jamash | are you saying that lisp and c++ do have the same syntax, NiLon? |
| 05:34.08 | Xyphoid | also those functions need to be refactored |
| 05:34.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: well, as written, that's dumb, but i've written stuff like if( true===foo ), for type checking as well. |
| 05:34.39 | NiLon | Jamash let me rework with that; it's like saying that lisp and c++ should have same syntax |
| 05:34.40 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5546781/google-pac+man-mightve-cost-us-120483800 |
| 05:34.44 | Shirik | === I can understand |
| 05:34.48 | Shirik | though PHP is ugly |
| 05:34.56 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah *shug* |
| 05:35.04 | NightHawkTheSane | you work with what you have, you know? P |
| 05:35.06 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 05:35.14 | Jamash | also, I wouldn't recommend that web browsers incorporate lisp or c++ as web languages either |
| 05:35.40 | Shirik | WAIT HOLD UP |
| 05:35.43 | Shirik | THAT WAS A GAME?! |
| 05:35.46 | NiLon | Jamash I don't see why not |
| 05:35.47 | Shirik | I never even got to play it |
| 05:35.51 | Shirik | I thought it was a picture |
| 05:35.51 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 05:35.51 | NiLon | Shirik yeah :p |
| 05:35.54 | Shirik | fuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 05:35.56 | Thunder_Child | fail Shirik |
| 05:35.58 | Xyphoid | it's still up at like /pacman or something |
| 05:35.59 | Jamash | NiLon: /facepalm |
| 05:36.01 | Thunder_Child | ~failrik |
| 05:36.05 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 05:36.06 | Xyphoid | http://www.google.com/pacman/ |
| 05:36.24 | Xyphoid | technically nice too, it's not flash |
| 05:36.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: :o srsly? :P |
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| 05:38.22 | Shirik | what is it? |
| 05:38.24 | Shirik | HTML5? |
| 05:38.36 | Xyphoid | yeah |
| 05:38.44 | NiLon | Jamash like I see it, we already have flash so why not something better like c++, tho it's a bit tricky to include such language but you got the idea |
| 05:39.00 | Xyphoid | apparently it even has the kill screen implemented |
| 05:39.14 | NiLon | but like python, perl, php.. list goes on |
| 05:40.20 | Jamash | actually I don't think it's html5 |
| 05:40.25 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, thats not even canvas, that's just straightup html, css, and js. |
| 05:40.36 | Jamash | yep |
| 05:40.54 | Jamash | NiLon: I can see that we disagree about the meaning of the word "better" |
| 05:40.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: well it might use some html5 spec stuff that's really common, but *shrug* |
| 05:41.13 | Jamash | it's all floating divs and stuff |
| 05:41.25 | NightHawkTheSane | it certainly doesn't use any of the more recent stuff |
| 05:41.25 | NiLon | Jamash if you would have ever made flash, you would know what I mean |
| 05:41.57 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 05:42.03 | Shirik | it's just a bunch of <div> objects |
| 05:42.07 | Shirik | moving around |
| 05:42.12 | Jamash | yep |
| 05:42.15 | Shirik | I just had chrome take it apart |
| 05:42.51 | Jamash | NiLon: Just because Flash is bad doesn't mean C++ is good |
| 05:43.00 | NightHawkTheSane | dude, like read of a few lines, we jsut said taht :P |
| 05:43.04 | Shirik | C++ is good in its own right than you very much |
| 05:43.06 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: I don't read |
| 05:43.10 | Shirik | I only see what I wish to see |
| 05:43.16 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i know ;) |
| 05:43.17 | Shirik | everything else is irrelevant anyway |
| 05:43.20 | Shirik | only what I say matters |
| 05:43.21 | NightHawkTheSane | its okay, because apparently tonight i dont type. |
| 05:43.55 | NiLon | Jamash well C++ would be hard to implement anyway, so would say that python instead |
| 05:44.19 | haste | Shirik: I spent hours reading rtorrent's C++ code for the XMLRPC API yesterday.. I found it overly verbose tbh :P |
| 05:44.46 | Jamash | c++ is the result of a successful experiment to find out if you can implement all the bad parts of OOP with none of the good parts |
| 05:44.49 | Shirik | don't get me wrong, there are places C++ can be improved |
| 05:44.57 | Shirik | stabs Jamash |
| 05:45.23 | Shirik | the problem is people have been taught the Java way of doing OOP |
| 05:45.27 | Shirik | and imho, Java does it wrong |
| 05:45.31 | haste | oh god |
| 05:45.33 | haste | yes |
| 05:45.35 | Jamash | has an incompatible pointer type, and so cannot be stabbed. |
| 05:45.35 | Shirik | "OMG MULTIPLE INHERITANCE IT IS THE EVIL WTF" |
| 05:45.37 | Jerub | grins. |
| 05:45.41 | Jerub | omgi'mmoreoopthanyou |
| 05:45.43 | haste | it is evil Shirik ! |
| 05:45.44 | Jerub | i love this argument. |
| 05:45.46 | Shirik | no |
| 05:45.47 | haste | when you go beyond three levels |
| 05:45.49 | Jerub | quick! someone cite smalltalk! |
| 05:45.52 | NiLon | well, C++0x is coming to replace C++ anyway |
| 05:45.53 | Shirik | Using it wrong is bad |
| 05:45.54 | Jamash | SMALLTALK |
| 05:45.59 | Shirik | Its existence is not bad |
| 05:46.09 | Shirik | Using guns to kill people is bad too |
| 05:46.10 | Jamash | yeah, like anthrax |
| 05:46.13 | Shirik | should we eliminate guns? |
| 05:46.14 | haste | but OO + Java == using it bad :D |
| 05:46.15 | cogwheel | "more op" isn't necessarily a good thing |
| 05:46.15 | Jamash | or nuclear weapons |
| 05:46.19 | Jamash | Shirik: Yes. |
| 05:46.22 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.25 | cogwheel | it can be the worst tool for some jobs |
| 05:46.31 | cogwheel | s/op/oo/ |
| 05:46.40 | Jamash | we should eliminate both guns and c++ |
| 05:46.42 | Shirik | C++ is easily the best language to use where I work |
| 05:46.45 | Shirik | no questions asked |
| 05:46.52 | NiLon | I really like sound of that C++0x |
| 05:46.59 | NiLon | can't wait next version of it |
| 05:47.01 | Shirik | They dropped features I really wanted in C++0x |
| 05:47.05 | Shirik | I'm disappointed |
| 05:47.12 | Shirik | I really wanted concepts |
| 05:47.17 | haste | C++0x, coming to a computer near you in 2020 |
| 05:47.27 | Shirik | haste, why be like that |
| 05:47.29 | cogwheel | Shirik: that'll be c++1x |
| 05:47.37 | Shirik | C++03 was in VS2005 |
| 05:47.40 | Jamash | I would ask what "concepts" in C++ are but I'm sure it would just cause me to rage harder |
| 05:47.42 | cogwheel | which will come out in 2042 |
| 05:47.43 | Shirik | and g++ already supports C++0x |
| 05:47.47 | Shirik | Jamash: No |
| 05:47.52 | Shirik | Actually they are both awesome and simple |
| 05:47.58 | Shirik | You know what a template is, right? |
| 05:48.16 | Jamash | Evil solidified into angle brackets, yes. |
| 05:48.20 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:48.26 | cogwheel | dogmatist... |
| 05:48.30 | haste | Shirik: I'm like that because they make such slow progress and seem to remove eveyrthing people want |
| 05:48.46 | Shirik | Well a concept lets you ensure the type is compatible with the template, so that you get a very easy-to-read error instead of a 100-line impossible to decipher error |
| 05:49.04 | Shirik | a concept could be something like "type must have an == operator" |
| 05:49.05 | Shirik | etc. |
| 05:49.07 | haste | that's my favorite part about C++ (and Java) |
| 05:49.12 | haste | but mostly C++! |
| 05:49.38 | WobWork | generics are awesome |
| 05:49.40 | cogwheel | it's sorta like constraints on c# generics |
| 05:49.44 | haste | I guess Clang will change that tho' |
| 05:50.42 | Jamash | why doesn't the compiler do this for you? |
| 05:50.49 | cogwheel | ? |
| 05:51.02 | airtonix | lulz |
| 05:51.09 | Jamash | "ensure the type is compatible with the template" |
| 05:51.15 | cogwheel | well it does |
| 05:51.22 | cogwheel | but the error messages are shit right now |
| 05:51.41 | cogwheel | concepts would let you know exactly what about it failed, and it's explicit documentation |
| 05:51.58 | cogwheel | right now people use comments |
| 05:52.10 | cogwheel | concepts formalize it |
| 05:58.49 | Shirik | Java generics are awful |
| 05:59.05 | Shirik | the biggest hack in the history of programming languages |
| 05:59.06 | Shirik | like |
| 05:59.09 | Shirik | it makes PHP look well designed |
| 06:00.42 | Jamash | aren't they the same as c++ templates? |
| 06:01.29 | cogwheel | go ask that on Stackoverflow.com... i dare you XD |
| 06:01.31 | Jerub | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1705008/simple-proof-that-guid-is-not-unique |
| 06:02.15 | Jerub | Shirik: stop complaining. in my day you had to cast the return value of every generic datastructure by hand before using it |
| 06:03.00 | Shirik | wtf is return value |
| 06:03.12 | Jerub | Shirik: Object you nong |
| 06:03.14 | Shirik | back in my day, we had to write to the stack and then execute a JMP |
| 06:03.24 | Jerub | piffle |
| 06:03.26 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 06:03.26 | Jamash | pfft, stack |
| 06:03.28 | Shirik | I still do that |
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| 06:03.36 | Jamash | wtf is a stack |
| 06:03.45 | Shirik | oh come on stacks have always existed |
| 06:03.53 | Shirik | just not as explicit instructions |
| 06:03.53 | cogwheel | doesn't java even have a stack class? |
| 06:03.57 | Shirik | you just reserve a block of memory |
| 06:04.00 | Shirik | point to it |
| 06:04.01 | Shirik | done |
| 06:04.10 | Jamash | in my day we used gotos, like men were meant to do |
| 06:04.22 | Shirik | Actually |
| 06:04.29 | Shirik | my controller doesn't have a JMP instruction |
| 06:04.33 | Shirik | it has a BRA instruction |
| 06:04.37 | Shirik | which is quite amusing |
| 06:05.37 | WobWork | expecting geeks to know how to unhook that instruction... |
| 06:05.42 | WobWork | they're asking a lot =P |
| 06:06.05 | Shirik | >< |
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| 06:07.19 | Shirik | But yeah, it stands for "Branch Always" just like BLT is "Branch Less Than" BGE is "Branch Greater Than or Equal To" |
| 06:07.30 | Shirik | but I can't help but feel like some engineer was laughing as he decided that to be it |
| 06:07.45 | Shirik | they also have the ever-confusing "BRN" - Branch Never |
| 06:08.12 | Jamash | nop? |
| 06:08.42 | Shirik | sorta |
| 06:08.55 | Shirik | it ends up BEING a nop |
| 06:09.00 | Shirik | but BRN and NOP are two different codes |
| 06:09.19 | cogwheel | Shirik: there should be a BFG for Branch on FlaG |
| 06:09.24 | Jamash | well, yeah, BRN has to take an address not to branch to |
| 06:09.26 | Shirik | my understanding of the purpose of BRN is just to make debugging easier if you want to change some branch instruction to BRN temporarily |
| 06:09.28 | Shadowed | err what |
| 06:09.37 | Shadowed | how am I still in this channel but I got kicked off another server... |
| 06:10.10 | cogwheel | BFG 9000h |
| 06:10.16 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:10.19 | Jamash | o ho ho |
| 06:10.31 | Shirik | except motorola doesn't believe in "h" |
| 06:10.37 | Shirik | It would be BFG $9000 |
| 06:10.43 | Shirik | which is arguably better |
| 06:10.48 | Shirik | though BFG 9000 is legal too |
| 06:10.55 | Shirik | (if BFG were an opcode) |
| 06:26.59 | Thunder_Child | 'sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you are' |
| 06:28.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i pretty much always am. |
| 06:28.36 | Thunder_Child | todays xkcd is meh |
| 06:29.18 | zenzio | I prefer "There is only one difference between a madman and me. I am not mad" |
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| 06:35.41 | batrick | This comic could have been awesome if he left a G = N conjecture: http://www.xkcd.com/ |
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| 06:36.50 | Dagmar | Oh feel FREE to post that where he can see it |
| 06:37.02 | Dagmar | I get the feeling that dude has WAY too much time on his hands |
| 06:37.22 | batrick | huh? |
| 06:37.44 | Dagmar | You will effectively be taunting a PhD level geek |
| 06:38.44 | batrick | randall needs to go back to work imo |
| 06:38.51 | Dagmar | Possibly so. Heheh |
| 06:39.00 | batrick | his comics sucks when he jerks off claiming to be a paid comic writer |
| 06:39.33 | batrick | which really means (a) play video games all day (b) occasionally go to book signings (c) procrastinate on new comic until 2 hours before next day |
| 06:39.44 | batrick | (my guess anyway) |
| 06:39.46 | batrick | it's what i'd do |
| 06:40.14 | Dagmar | That would probably make your last name Krahulik or something. |
| 06:40.20 | WobWork | batrick: I'd be surprised if he doesn't have a backlog of at least half a year |
| 06:40.40 | Dagmar | Heh. It's not like he has to spend a lot of time fine-tuning his illustrations. :) |
| 06:40.42 | ZorbaTHut | so, let me get this straight: you don't have a work ethic, and you're complaining that some other guy who gives you free stuff doesn't have enough of a work ethic? :P |
| 06:40.54 | WobWork | There are plenty of geek jokes that don't require event timing |
| 06:41.08 | batrick | ZorbaTHut: i'm merely saying his stuff isn't as good as it was |
| 06:41.14 | batrick | he can do what he wants, of course |
| 06:41.28 | Jamash | true |
| 06:41.49 | Jamash | btw, batrick, your stuff isn't as good as it used to be |
| 06:41.57 | batrick | what stuff? |
| 06:42.03 | batrick | or is that the joke |
| 06:42.04 | Thunder_Child | yer drugs man |
| 06:42.07 | ZorbaTHut | he might be getting bored with it. I get the feeling he sorta does what he wants to, and maybe he's spending his time in other areas right now |
| 06:43.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i always think the "X isn't as good as it used to be" just a case of rose-colored glasses. |
| 06:43.21 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, I think it's more memory bias |
| 06:43.32 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: that too, probably a combination |
| 06:43.39 | ZorbaTHut | think back 500 strips, what do you remember? you remember the best 10% strips 'cause you've forgotten the others because they weren't very good |
| 06:43.44 | ZorbaTHut | think back 10 strips, you remember every strip |
| 06:44.11 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 06:44.36 | NightHawkTheSane | same thing happens with a LOT of things though |
| 06:44.39 | NightHawkTheSane | not just comics |
| 06:44.48 | ZorbaTHut | oh yeah, it's just a general human trait |
| 06:45.04 | ZorbaTHut | think back 50 years in music, you remember the stars. think about current music, you remember everything |
| 06:45.13 | ZorbaTHut | shockingly, sturgeon's law was just as valid back then as it is now. |
| 06:45.33 | batrick | whoa this conversation got nerdy |
| 06:45.39 | Jerub | xkcd was just ripping off the indexed comic style anyway. |
| 06:45.46 | ZorbaTHut | batrick, whoever thought that a conversation about xkcd could get nerdy |
| 06:45.47 | NightHawkTheSane | random related tanget, i'm honestly curious to hear some of the shitty ass classical that never survived the few hundred years since it's creation ;) |
| 06:45.55 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: not true, i dont remember current music at all |
| 06:45.58 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i find i cite xkcd comics and a large number of self professed xkcd fans have no idea what i'm talking about. |
| 06:45.59 | batrick | :) |
| 06:46.33 | airtonix | Shirik, wait what? back in your day? when was that ? when you were in diapers ? |
| 06:46.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: so being a fan of xkcd means you have to have an eidetic memory for every comic/reference? >< |
| 06:46.42 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:46.44 | Shirik | no, it's now |
| 06:46.51 | airtonix | Shirik, you dont get to say that until you reach 30 |
| 06:46.55 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: uh, yes. |
| 06:46.55 | airtonix | really 60 |
| 06:46.56 | Jerub | duh |
| 06:47.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: oh, well my bad ;) |
| 06:47.14 | Jamash | back in my day people said things were better back in their day |
| 06:47.36 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, well back in my day people WERE better. |
| 06:47.36 | airtonix | right... |
| 06:47.44 | Jerub | Jamash: things must'e been awesome 5000 years |
| 06:47.45 | Jerub | ago |
| 06:47.59 | airtonix | back in my people were so awesome .. that fisker could NOT be heard. |
| 06:48.01 | Jamash | Jerub: Exactly |
| 06:48.07 | airtonix | fuuuu |
| 06:48.12 | NightHawkTheSane | airtonix: dude, the bronze age was bad ass ;) |
| 06:48.27 | NightHawkTheSane | er, i meant Jerub |
| 06:48.28 | NightHawkTheSane | bah |
| 06:49.21 | airtonix | and thereth slip away a chance to re-enact the four yorkshireman. |
| 06:49.31 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: there -is- a large library of xkcd |
| 06:49.45 | WobWork | and quite a lot of it is from popular existing internet memes |
| 06:50.07 | airtonix | back in my day we didn't have internet |
| 06:50.21 | airtonix | or memes |
| 06:50.39 | ZorbaTHut | airtonix, yes we did. it's just that memes tended to come from TV commercials. |
| 06:50.39 | WobWork | I think that the Simpsons used to be better than they are now |
| 06:50.45 | ZorbaTHut | And TV shows. |
| 06:50.50 | WobWork | I could be jaded though |
| 06:50.53 | airtonix | and grandmas? |
| 06:50.59 | Jamash | back in my day we didn't have grandmas |
| 06:51.01 | ZorbaTHut | No, not generally. |
| 06:51.03 | WobWork | airtonix: they're called old wives tales |
| 06:51.09 | Jamash | we reproduced through binary fission |
| 06:51.12 | airtonix | inb4feminazirage |
| 06:52.43 | airtonix | so that green lantern fan preview film i posted last night.... was it even using any genuine footage ? |
| 06:53.16 | Arrowmaster | too hot, brain melting |
| 06:55.28 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck is it still 73F at fucking 3am |
| 06:55.48 | Dagmar | Because it's just getting started |
| 06:55.51 | Dagmar | Just you wait |
| 06:56.10 | Dagmar | By AUgust you'll be complaining "Why is it 92 degrees and fucking 88% humidity at 2am?" |
| 06:56.36 | WobWork | http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/gaming-improves-brain-functions-research-20100531-wq05.html |
| 06:56.46 | WobWork | the last statement is just lulzy |
| 06:57.11 | Jamash | wow |
| 06:57.22 | airtonix | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129121875610219278.jpg |
| 06:57.46 | Shirik | lmao |
| 06:57.54 | airtonix | ~gieftemperatureofmyplaceNAO |
| 06:59.02 | airtonix | its low |
| 06:59.02 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, i seriosly hope it's not 92 in august here. |
| 06:59.02 | Arrowmaster | ok 73F is just at the airport |
| 06:59.15 | Dagmar | In Nashville, August is generally hell if you're sensitive to hea=t |
| 06:59.19 | Arrowmaster | i got out the laser temp reading thinga ma jiggie |
| 06:59.27 | Arrowmaster | its 85F in the house |
| 06:59.34 | Dagmar | It'll go above 88 and stay there for most of the month, with the same number of humidity |
| 07:00.10 | Dagmar | I suppose pushing buttons on the thermostat until something turns on is out of the question |
| 07:00.29 | airtonix | is 16degrees here in adelaide. |
| 07:00.52 | Arrowmaster | the thermostat only controls the hot water radiator heating |
| 07:00.55 | Thunder_Child | wtb coldness |
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| 07:01.17 | NightHawkTheSane | it's 57F out right now. :D |
| 07:01.18 | airtonix | thats what happens when you live on the roof of a planet |
| 07:02.21 | Arrowmaster | ive been sitting around for the last 4 hours in my underwear with all the lights out, windows open, and fans on |
| 07:02.29 | Jamash | 1. lightbulbs work, not by emitting light, but by absorbing dark |
| 07:02.40 | Dagmar | Did we ask what you were wearing? |
| 07:02.43 | Dagmar | Would you like us to? |
| 07:02.48 | Jamash | 2. light = heat, therefore dark = cold |
| 07:02.59 | Jamash | 3. lightbulbs wear out when they get full of dark |
| 07:03.08 | Arrowmaster | why do you want to know boxers or briefs? |
| 07:03.19 | Dagmar | No. |
| 07:03.27 | Jamash | 4. take a bunch of dead lightbulbs and break them, thus letting all the cold (dark) out |
| 07:03.37 | Dagmar | If I wanna know such things I can always go to chatroulette |
| 07:03.50 | Jamash | 5. let me know how that goes |
| 07:03.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster seems like a boxers man. |
| 07:03.55 | Dagmar | Jamash: I suppose then that CFLs fold space |
| 07:04.02 | WobWork | thong thong thong th-thong |
| 07:04.05 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 07:04.17 | WobWork | he could be a boxer-brief man |
| 07:04.20 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: no one asked what you were wearing :P |
| 07:04.30 | WobWork | but since he's trying to stay cool, I'd vote boxers |
| 07:05.06 | kd3 | hmm... above 88F with the same humidity%? sounds like atlanta coming soon for the next few months |
| 07:05.18 | Dagmar | kd3: Yep. It's the only place I know of that's worse |
| 07:05.23 | Jamash | hmm, I've spotted a problem with my theory |
| 07:05.33 | Jamash | lightbulbs require electricity to function |
| 07:05.36 | Dagmar | kd3: Stuff like that is part of why Summercon 96 went so badly |
| 07:05.45 | kd3 | indeed |
| 07:05.52 | Dagmar | 95F, AC doesn't work, hackers + alcohol. |
| 07:05.52 | Arrowmaster | summercon? |
| 07:05.53 | Jamash | clearly the dark is not stored in the bulb, but transmitted by electricity back to the eletrical source |
| 07:06.06 | kd3 | that and the psycho setting off bombs |
| 07:06.09 | Dagmar | Someone (one little bucket at a time) emptied the entire seventh floor ice machine into the HVAC intake. |
| 07:06.14 | Dagmar | ...which sort of worked for awhile |
| 07:06.26 | Dagmar | Then later there was "suprise water" in the gift shop |
| 07:06.40 | Jamash | so replace 4. with "take a bunch of dead batteries and break them, thus letting all the cold (dark) out" |
| 07:07.29 | Dagmar | Since then they've made damn sure that (among other things) the hotel where it's held is going to have *working* AC |
| 07:07.48 | Jamash | Dagma: Should have used dry ice |
| 07:07.50 | Jamash | *r |
| 07:08.07 | Dagmar | Jamash: HOtel ice dispensers don't typically dispense the dry kind of ice. |
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| 07:08.09 | Dagmar | Only the wet kind. |
| 07:08.20 | Jamash | Obviously you need to upgrade to a classier hotel |
| 07:08.28 | Dagmar | WEll, hahahah |
| 07:08.32 | Dagmar | That sort of took care of itself. |
| 07:08.45 | kd3 | thinks about the math of one tiny little bucket at a time emptying an ice machine |
| 07:08.52 | Dagmar | After that weekend, the hotel chain managment kind of fired everyone and sold the hotel. |
| 07:09.17 | Dagmar | kd3: I saw the guy getting a lot of buckets of ice but was too busy watching the talks to think anything of what he might be doing with them |
| 07:09.34 | Dagmar | Now I have learned to keep an eye out for such things |
| 07:09.42 | Dagmar | ...and so has Atlanta. :) |
| 07:09.59 | kd3 | chuckles |
| 07:11.22 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.40 | kd3 | "do not let them anywhere near mechanical rooms"? |
| 07:11.59 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.01 | Thunder_Child | s/do not let them anywhere/ |
| 07:12.04 | Thunder_Child | fixed |
| 07:12.16 | kd3 | lmao |
| 07:12.58 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:13.20 | kd3 | ahaha |
| 07:13.30 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.46 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.04 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.27 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.46 | kd3 | thinks of the complete lack of 'W's in the white house on the eve of dubya's inauguration |
| 07:16.01 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 07:17.23 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.00 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.21 | kd3 | o_O |
| 07:18.51 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.12 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.55 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.12 | kd3 | winces |
| 07:20.18 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.06 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.18 | Jerub | hehehehehee |
| 07:21.39 | Jerub | the lca conferences actually get the most expensive isp we have to provide free unlimited bandwidth for the week. |
| 07:21.46 | Jerub | the only proviso is "please don't". |
| 07:21.59 | Dagmar | Hehe yeah |
| 07:22.22 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.35 | Jerub | fortunately the conference i ran worked fine on the two adsl links i ran up and the 20 wrt54gls i had on loan |
| 07:26.37 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.39 | Jerub | only 200 people tho |
| 07:26.52 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.19 | Dagmar | Jerub: God. Pray no one brings a tesla coil anywhere near those APs |
| 07:27.35 | airtonix | monmonmon |
| 07:27.44 | Dagmar | The generators on them will *shut down* every wireless access point within about 60 yards or so |
| 07:28.15 | kd3 | winces more at the thought of tesla coils being anywhere near important electronics |
| 07:28.16 | Dagmar | ...or at least if they do, expect to be able to tell people that the wireless will come back up shortly after the "big sparking thing" is turned off |
| 07:28.32 | Dagmar | It took me awhile to figure out exactly what was causing that |
| 07:28.42 | Antiarc | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1705008/simple-proof-that-guid-is-not-unique |
| 07:28.44 | Antiarc | Looooooool. |
| 07:28.48 | Arrowmaster | the last major lan party i attended and 'unofficially worked for' was in a highschool gym, take a guess what the situation was for the internet |
| 07:28.58 | WobWork | Antiarc: reddit? |
| 07:29.03 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Someone's tethered cell phone? |
| 07:29.06 | kd3 | antiarc; lmao |
| 07:29.15 | Antiarc | WobWork: yeah |
| 07:29.20 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: no it was actually the highschools net connection |
| 07:29.30 | WobWork | Antiarc: ah =) trying to find the intersection between people in different channels =P |
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| 07:29.49 | WobWork | ugh |
| 07:29.55 | WobWork | I went to a MS Webcamp last week |
| 07:29.59 | WobWork | the internet was -terrible- |
| 07:30.13 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Well, that can't be all that bad |
| 07:30.15 | WobWork | The presenters had to borrow a mobile connection to do their presentation |
| 07:30.30 | Antiarc | "You're more likely to be murdered at some point in your life (4.76e-03) than you are to find a collision over the next 36 years. Good luck." |
| 07:30.49 | WobWork | of course, 300 people on wireless trying to go through a pipe the size of what looked like dialup... |
| 07:31.08 | Dagmar | FYI< the reason tesla coils kill APs is that they actively avoid channels with a lot of RFI. Produce a LOT of broad-spectrum RFI and they'll quickly cycle through all 11-15 channels going "Nope. Too noisy here." until they've run out of channels and give up for a little wihle |
| 07:31.16 | Arrowmaster | but they ran a cable to the vice principals office because apparently the highschools setup was that every connection to the internet was filtered to block anything good except if it was coming from the switch port wired to the vice principals office |
| 07:31.41 | kd3 | hm... the VP must know the IT guy who wired the network |
| 07:31.41 | Torhal | So the Vice was into vice? |
| 07:31.48 | WobWork | ~rimshot |
| 07:32.07 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 07:32.07 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Because of course the vice-principal needs to have access to his interporns |
| 07:32.07 | Corrodias | *gunshot |
| 07:32.08 | Jerub | WobWork: who was running that? |
| 07:32.25 | Jerub | WobWork: i know the ms guys, jorke and nick. |
| 07:32.44 | WobWork | which who? |
| 07:32.49 | Jerub | WobWork: ms webcamp |
| 07:32.50 | WobWork | the venue, or the camp |
| 07:32.59 | Jerub | the microsoft people. |
| 07:33.08 | Dagmar | "people" |
| 07:33.16 | Jerub | nick hodge was my microsoft guy for osdc, he was awesome. |
| 07:33.34 | WobWork | oh we had Scott Hanselman and James Senior |
| 07:33.38 | Jerub | he was having a ball because a few weeks earlier he'd been managing the 'free netbooks for everyone' thing at the big MS conf ont the goldcoast. |
| 07:33.51 | Jerub | so osdc was much lower stress |
| 07:33.57 | WobWork | I like Scott, he's a great speaker |
| 07:34.04 | Jerub | (but he did do 'free espresso for everyone' because he could) |
| 07:34.19 | WobWork | funding for the webcamps was probably lower |
| 07:34.20 | Dagmar | grrr netbooks |
| 07:34.21 | WobWork | since they were free |
| 07:34.27 | Dagmar | I'm gonna have to send mine back to ASUS |
| 07:34.31 | WobWork | yeah? |
| 07:34.41 | Jerub | the venue had a coffee kiosk. he walked up and dumped 4 grand on them and said "all coffee is now free" |
| 07:34.43 | WobWork | mine has started to make whiny noises a bit |
| 07:34.51 | Jerub | wait... that's not right |
| 07:34.56 | Dagmar | Wobwork: Mine can't really make noise, and it was a bitch to get a new one |
| 07:35.05 | Jerub | it was about a grand |
| 07:35.09 | Dagmar | ...except the damn thing apparently slipped through the refurbishing process as if it were totally stable. |
| 07:35.27 | WobWork | 'Works for me!'? |
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| 07:35.38 | Dagmar | If you have *any* idea why it might run fine for several reboots and then render itself rather unstable and barely able to boot *until the CMOS is cleared* I'm all ears |
| 07:35.50 | WobWork | faulty CMOS battery? |
| 07:35.53 | kd3 | ^ |
| 07:35.55 | Dagmar | The hardware geek in me *despises* failure states that take 1-2 days to show up |
| 07:36.08 | Dagmar | Well, that's soldered to the board so I'm out of luck if that's the case |
| 07:36.09 | kd3 | heisenbugs are </3 |
| 07:36.19 | Jerub | Dagmar: yeah, that's annoying |
| 07:36.26 | Jerub | i've given up on memtest86 too |
| 07:36.34 | Dagmar | To top it all off I've got some newb on an eee forum trying to tell me you can't downgrade the BIOS |
| 07:36.42 | Jerub | i have a shell script that will show up memory errors in 10 minutes that memtest86 won't show after days of use |
| 07:36.56 | Dagmar | He has no idea that how long I've been screwing with PCs and to what degree I've tampered with BIOSes |
| 07:36.57 | WobWork | I just installed W7 on mine |
| 07:37.14 | Jerub | http://paste2.org/p/859110 |
| 07:37.37 | Dagmar | Jerub: Yeah memtest86 I still have faith in, but I'm not amused by the board deciding it's okay to run DDR2-667 CL5 RAM at DDR2-533 and CL4 |
| 07:37.39 | WobWork | except every single time the security popup comes up |
| 07:37.40 | Jerub | crappy shell script. no flaky cpu/memory will survive it being run. |
| 07:37.44 | WobWork | I lose control of Synergy |
| 07:37.47 | Dagmar | I suspect it's got a lot to do with what's making the netbook unstable |
| 07:38.19 | Dagmar | I've checked the BIOS and this time there's no hidden settings page to let me force the RAM timings to CAS 5 |
| 07:38.44 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/VZNFM.jpg |
| 07:38.53 | Dagmar | I've tried the last five versions of the BIOS, also no change |
| 07:39.20 | Dagmar | (this is why it's pissing me off some newb is telling me you can't do it. It's just a freaking boot block check for an older BIOS keeping people from flashing a *really* old BIOS image in) |
| 07:40.10 | kd3 | antiarc; that reminds me of woot.com's shipping labels. "oh, hi. I contain this expensive crap. please steal me" plastered on the /outside/ of the box |
| 07:40.34 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:40.35 | Dagmar | That stackoverflow post reminds me of my first college programming professor |
| 07:40.53 | Dagmar | "When writing your code, pretend that memory and processor time are infinite" |
| 07:40.58 | Antiarc | woot is wonderful |
| 07:41.07 | WobWork | Dagmar: like all physics problems in highschool? |
| 07:41.11 | Dagmar | That sort of thinking leads to epic fail |
| 07:41.14 | Shirik | you know what's scary as hell |
| 07:41.18 | Antiarc | Dagmar: That's actually not a bad philosophy on the first iteration of code. |
| 07:41.21 | Shirik | I bought something on woot for my brother for his birthday |
| 07:41.24 | Shirik | My new roommate |
| 07:41.25 | Fisker | imma kill ya Antiarc |
| 07:41.29 | Antiarc | It keeps you from jumping into premature optimization. |
| 07:41.32 | Shirik | I saw a bunch of videos lying around |
| 07:41.38 | Shirik | exactly the same thing I bought |
| 07:41.45 | Shirik | apparently he bought the same thing :P |
| 07:41.50 | Dagmar | Antiarc: Yes but it's about as sensible as telling people that car crashes happen exactly like in the cartoons when you're teaching them to drive |
| 07:42.05 | airtonix | they dont ? |
| 07:42.10 | Shirik | we turned into two high school girls going crazy over shoes |
| 07:42.15 | Dagmar | ...and well, I submit as my evidence *large swaths of Bugtraq throughout the 90's* |
| 07:42.16 | Shirik | "omg it was such a good deal" "I knowwwwwwww" |
| 07:42.20 | Dagmar | BUFFERS R NOT INFINITE K |
| 07:42.26 | Antiarc | Eh, I dunno. It's better to make it work and then make it fast, rather than to get so caught up making it fast that you never make it work. |
| 07:42.55 | Fisker | Antiarc |
| 07:42.56 | Dagmar | I just tell people to not make it stupidly slow |
| 07:42.58 | Fisker | i watched you die |
| 07:42.59 | Antiarc | I mean, it's silly, of course, to assume infinite RAM and to never free anything because of that |
| 07:43.09 | Antiarc | But I suspect that wasn't his point :) |
| 07:43.41 | Dagmar | Fast, slow, these are things which have no meaning to first year students anyway ...but everyone can spot when they're doing something egregiously slow |
| 07:43.47 | Fisker | repeatedly stabs Antiarc |
| 07:43.48 | Dagmar | It just has to not suck |
| 07:44.08 | Antiarc | Premature optimization is a problem that plagues a lot of young programmers. |
| 07:44.15 | Dagmar | Egregiously slow == not using a constant for pi, but instead working it out *every time* |
| 07:44.22 | Antiarc | It takes a lot of experience to build the mental discipline to not optimize early. |
| 07:44.33 | Antiarc | Especially when you're working on an especially exciting piece of code. |
| 07:44.41 | Dagmar | I'd argue that young programmers are generally doing good to keep program flow under control |
| 07:44.53 | Antiarc | (I'm making a sex joke, don't ruin it) |
| 07:44.55 | Dagmar | ...or to even get their code doing the right thing *one* way, let alone in a faster way |
| 07:44.56 | Dagmar | Oh. |
| 07:46.32 | Dagmar | Hell it all still holds true. Hehe |
| 07:46.32 | Antiarc | Heheh. |
| 07:46.33 | kd3 | haha |
| 07:46.33 | Jamash | hee hee |
| 07:46.33 | Antiarc | I hear you. I think the prof's intent, judging from my own experience with CS education, is "don't solve the hardware problem first, solve the software problem first" |
| 07:46.33 | Antiarc | If you solve the hardware problem first, unless you're working in a specific space like embedded devices, you're probably just buying yourself pain. |
| 07:46.39 | Antiarc | (and if you're working in embedded devices you've learned this lesson already) |
| 07:46.56 | airtonix | in either case your wallet is not big enough |
| 07:47.12 | Dagmar | I sum it up as "Feel free to assume very large limits for everything, and go ahead and code in hard ceilings for them. You can always make them higher if you need to, but infinite ends with your program going *pfft* and dying" |
| 07:48.01 | Antiarc | pff, according to Moore's Law, the limit of computing power approaches infinity as time approaches infinity. |
| 07:48.20 | Dagmar | Don't worry, Microsoft will still probably be around to soak up all the extra |
| 07:48.33 | Antiarc | haha |
| 07:48.38 | Fisker | btw Antiarc |
| 07:48.39 | airtonix | T_T |
| 07:48.43 | Fisker | i will destroy you |
| 07:48.51 | airtonix | stop poking |
| 07:48.53 | Antiarc | Visual Studio 3010: Now only requies 40 hellabytes of RAM! |
| 07:48.59 | Dagmar | We'll probably be running Linux on our fingernails by then |
| 07:49.12 | Antiarc | Fisker, you realize that your desperate persistence only makes me want to ignore you more. :P |
| 07:49.13 | airtonix | yallabyte? |
| 07:49.26 | Fisker | no Antiarc |
| 07:49.36 | Fisker | did you get my bug reports last night? |
| 07:49.39 | Dagmar | Apple will of course, be focusing on the bicuspid-computing platform |
| 07:49.43 | Antiarc | Not sure, which ones |
| 07:49.48 | Jamash | "Infinite storage capacity exceeded. Please install a larger infinity." |
| 07:49.57 | Fisker | Well the one where icons became huuuuuuuge |
| 07:50.05 | airtonix | Yottabyte |
| 07:50.06 | Antiarc | Oh, yeah |
| 07:50.10 | airtonix | how to use wiki here ? |
| 07:50.13 | Antiarc | I added a check for that, but I'm not sure what'd cause it :/ |
| 07:50.14 | Fisker | also just found one with the map |
| 07:50.22 | airtonix | ~wiki Yottabyte |
| 07:50.23 | Fisker | hudmap keeps screwing with the main map |
| 07:50.27 | Antiarc | o.0 |
| 07:50.29 | Fisker | can't change zones or anything |
| 07:50.30 | Antiarc | It shouldn't be able to |
| 07:50.32 | Antiarc | Oh |
| 07:50.39 | Antiarc | Ahhhh, I know why. |
| 07:50.46 | Fisker | well i can change it, it just instantly goes back |
| 07:51.08 | Antiarc | Yeah, I screwed that up |
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| 07:55.02 | Dagmar | OMG I'm still reading through the comments on SO |
| 07:55.25 | Dagmar | "You're more likely to be murdered at some point in your life (4.76e-03) than you are to find a collision over the next 36 years." |
| 07:55.42 | Dagmar | Followed by... "If you're murdered at some point in your life, odds are it'll be at the end." |
| 07:55.57 | Corrodias | heheh |
| 07:55.58 | Antiarc | Fisker: Fix pushed |
| 07:56.22 | Fisker | awsum |
| 07:56.41 | Fisker | any chance you can push something like adaptive zoom on sexymap or something? |
| 07:57.03 | Antiarc | What do you mean? (probably not) |
| 07:57.09 | Antiarc | The adaptive zoom works because I'm not using a Minimap object |
| 07:57.35 | Fisker | aww |
| 07:57.50 | Antiarc | I mean, I could do an adaptive zoom to the closest minimap zoom to encompass all party members, but it wouldn't be smooth and sexy like HudMap's adaptive zoom |
| 07:58.00 | Antiarc | Minimap zooms are fixed levels, and relatively coarse |
| 07:58.15 | Fisker | yeah |
| 07:58.33 | Antiarc | I'm really rather proud of how that turned out |
| 07:58.36 | Antiarc | I really like the effect. |
| 07:59.04 | Fisker | yeah |
| 07:59.57 | Fisker | this is probably one of the worst tanks |
| 08:00.05 | Kalroth | are you tanking again fisker |
| 08:00.08 | Antiarc | I'm going to bed |
| 08:00.12 | Antiarc | Catch ya'll later |
| 08:00.17 | Kalroth | nn Antiarc honeybuns |
| 08:00.28 | Fisker | naw Kalroth |
| 08:00.31 | Fisker | i don't suck |
| 08:00.38 | Fisker | this guy is like a keyboard turner or something |
| 08:00.54 | Fisker | i soloed a mob before he figured out that someone had pulled aggro and tried to taunt it back |
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| 08:02.28 | airtonix | i'd just let you die |
| 08:02.54 | airtonix | if the tank is having tea and scones and you pull therein... |
| 08:06.07 | Fisker | you can't chaincast arcane power and presence of mind? |
| 08:06.25 | Fisker | i took it from the healer airtonix |
| 08:06.42 | airtonix | fail healer |
| 08:06.47 | Fisker | ah |
| 08:06.50 | Fisker | shared cooldown |
| 08:06.52 | Fisker | naw airtonix |
| 08:06.53 | Fisker | fail tank |
| 08:06.54 | airtonix | ja |
| 08:07.06 | airtonix | pro healers know when to let a bad tank die |
| 08:07.19 | airtonix | (its when you're about to leave the instance) |
| 08:07.51 | Fisker | seriously |
| 08:07.56 | Fisker | that fucking tank is stupider than shit |
| 08:07.58 | airtonix | yeah man didn't you know ? |
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| 08:15.58 | Torhal | Fisker: How is it possible for shit to be stupid? |
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| 08:23.37 | zenzio | http://failbook.com/2010/05/30/funny-facebook-fails-hiding-behind-your-stupidity/ |
| 08:26.12 | Fisker | zenzio |
| 08:26.15 | Fisker | i fucked your sons dog |
| 08:27.25 | haste | I don't know what's worst |
| 08:27.25 | haste | the fact that Fisker said that |
| 08:27.32 | haste | or the fact that I know the reference |
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| 08:35.42 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 08:36.00 | Wobin | hey Fisker |
| 08:36.24 | Fisker | i'm not sure i will accept that |
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| 08:50.55 | olafski | gotta love that they put in a character called Bwonsamdi :P |
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| 09:11.26 | Fisker | hej robotusch |
| 09:21.43 | Wobin | http://www.recordtripping.com/ |
| 09:21.47 | Wobin | That's kinda cool |
| 09:27.42 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 09:33.18 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 09:33.22 | Fisker | you have been disagreed with |
| 09:34.41 | Wobin | If you don't like it |
| 09:34.45 | Wobin | it's sure to be a winner |
| 09:34.51 | Wobin | because you hate things |
| 09:35.08 | Wobin | you're such a hater, Fisker |
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| 09:36.29 | Fisker | no! |
| 09:38.27 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 09:39.54 | olafski | nice wobin :) |
| 09:40.25 | Fisker | i disagree olafski |
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| 09:46.34 | Trela | Wobin, that is really cool. |
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| 10:38.51 | Fisker | jnwhiteh you here? |
| 10:39.05 | Fisker | blargh Trela i disagree |
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| 10:50.37 | industrial | Having loose joints is disastrous. |
| 10:50.42 | industrial | *badoom tisch* |
| 10:51.07 | industrial | its funny cause its true! |
| 10:51.17 | haste | my toe hurts |
| 10:51.19 | haste | please fix |
| 10:51.52 | industrial | I cant roll your toe so I can't get it any tighter for you. |
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| 10:58.42 | industrial | haste: >:3 |
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| 11:16.39 | Fisker | my wrist hurts haste |
| 11:18.02 | industrial | rolls Fisker into a tight joint |
| 11:19.11 | Fisker | i think it is dislocated :( |
| 11:19.16 | Fisker | but i can't snap it back in place |
| 11:21.04 | Fisker | getting an eeepad haste ? |
| 11:23.04 | Fisker | haste |
| 11:23.06 | Fisker | i will kill you |
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| 11:28.37 | Fisker | WITH A HUGE BOMB |
| 11:32.39 | wereHamster | ~whalebomb |
| 11:32.39 | purl | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at werehamster and hides. |
| 11:33.29 | Fisker | ~whalenuke wereHamster |
| 11:33.30 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around wereHamster with his mind powers. |
| 11:33.57 | wereHamster | ~whaleparry |
| 11:34.27 | wereHamster | hm. Wasn't there some kind of parry/counterattack macro? |
| 11:39.22 | Fisker | i came |
| 11:39.26 | Fisker | ~whaleparry wereHamster |
| 11:39.26 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry wereHamster's attacks. |
| 11:48.20 | zenzio | one of the cooler signatures I've seen on Slashdot... "If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine...." |
| 11:51.21 | Fisker | i fucked your sons dog though |
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| 11:51.58 | Fisker | hey Xinhuan |
| 11:52.03 | Fisker | you're still wrong |
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| 11:57.38 | Torhal | Your daughter kicked my dog, Fisker. |
| 12:01.03 | industrial | If I see that fucking cat one more time, Fisker. |
| 12:03.04 | zenzio | howtoforge.com ... for people unfamiliar with sourceforge, that domain must sound suspicious |
| 12:03.27 | Torhal | howtofisker.com sounds more trustworthy. |
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| 12:07.16 | zenzio | "PS: I would say Sendmail is far more mature than Postfix, but then I am just some random wizened old geek. :)" - "Decrepit is a better word for sendmail." |
| 12:11.06 | olafski | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1281538/Smoking-year-old-Ardi-Rizal-40-cigarettes-day.html?ITO=1490 :-o |
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| 12:44.08 | industrial | tw |
| 12:44.09 | industrial | btw |
| 12:44.12 | industrial | http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3295/escraab.jpg |
| 12:44.14 | industrial | Fisker: ^ |
| 12:45.09 | zenzio | wrong arm though |
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| 12:50.37 | industrial | zenzio: shop it for me |
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| 13:13.03 | zenzio | http://averagecats.com/2101 |
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| 13:14.18 | olafski | clearly a repeat zenzio |
| 13:14.30 | zenzio | nope |
| 13:14.47 | zenzio | it's the same picture as on some other site, but Average Catted |
| 13:14.52 | Shirik | I don't understand it either :( |
| 13:15.01 | Shirik | oh |
| 13:15.03 | Shirik | I get it now |
| 13:15.20 | olafski | zenzio: well the comments say it's a repeat! |
| 13:15.20 | zenzio | for some reason I find Average Cats amusing |
| 13:15.38 | zenzio | what's wrong with you people, you should know better than to read comments! |
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| 13:26.51 | Shirik | thanks for that site zenzio |
| 13:26.57 | Shirik | now I have something else to waste my time |
| 13:28.44 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 13:28.46 | Fisker | i hate apple |
| 13:29.25 | zenzio | "World of Warcraft: Return of the Titans" - now that *would* be an interesting expansion |
| 13:30.38 | Shirik | ok Fisker |
| 13:30.39 | Shirik | me too |
| 13:30.42 | Shirik | now I will go to sleep |
| 13:30.44 | Fisker | cool |
| 13:30.45 | Fisker | naw |
| 13:30.49 | Fisker | lets hate apple a bit longer |
| 13:31.07 | mikma | nope |
| 13:31.13 | Fisker | yes |
| 13:31.25 | mikma | no. lets have fisker troll instead |
| 13:31.27 | Fisker | apples new sales numbers suggest atleast 2 million retards exist :( |
| 13:31.36 | Fisker | that would be new and original mikma |
| 13:31.50 | mikma | fisker: old |
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| 13:32.50 | Fisker | hey robotusch |
| 13:35.17 | alestane | "Flirting with madness was one thing; when madness started flirting back, it was time to call the whole thing off" -- Rohinton Mistry |
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| 13:49.16 | Fisker | fuck alestane |
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| 14:02.22 | olafski | < Fisker> apples new sales numbers suggest atleast 2 million retards exist :( <-- that's assuming they only bought one ;) |
| 14:08.01 | Zyn | they bought two iPads to MULTITASK |
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| 14:14.43 | Wobin | http://yvettesbridalformal.com/index.htm |
| 14:14.45 | Wobin | ... wow |
| 14:14.53 | Wobin | (my eyes... the goggles do nothing...) |
| 14:18.02 | foxlit | Wobin: pro! |
| 14:21.35 | Zyn | throws firefox.exe into a bonfire after that URL |
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| 14:31.53 | alestane | clientsfromhell.net has that down as very possibly the worst website they have EVER seen...I personally think you can't make a website that bad without doing it on purpose. |
| 14:32.34 | |Jelly| | I don't know ... look at 95% of the MySpace pages out there. Granted, no one uses MySpace anymore but still. |
| 14:34.21 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8kV7MWaRk0#t=0m40s |
| 14:35.32 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/052010/shaggy_and_scooby.jpg |
| 14:36.53 | Zyn | mikma , that gave me cancer, thanks |
| 14:37.38 | mikma | zyn: you can't blame me, it was pointed to haste. nyah! |
| 14:37.56 | mikma | zyn: http://mikma.eu/nokia/Family_Guy_-_Nyah.mp3 |
| 14:39.41 | haste | mikma: the fuck |
| 14:40.20 | Zyn | I always associate "nyah" being a phrase constantly said by catgirls (neko) :< |
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| 14:40.50 | haste | it's mostly nyan, rarely just nya |
| 14:40.53 | mikma | http://store.steampowered.com/video/34830 |
| 14:41.01 | mikma | i'm so gonna buy that game |
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| 14:43.34 | olafski | hahahaha mikma |
| 14:47.26 | foxlit | How come I never get the juicy wow account scam spam? :( |
| 14:48.44 | mikma | you have stopped playing? ;) |
| 14:49.33 | industrial | I get japanese porn spam in japanese, so wha-o shit. |
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| 14:58.28 | Fisker | haste btw |
| 15:00.16 | Fisker | haste |
| 15:02.22 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:12.19 | Fisker | btw haste |
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| 15:17.22 | Legorol | I learnt something interesting (and potentially important) today! Nuking the holy Trinity (Interface/Cache/WTF) does not actually constitute a full reset of your UI. |
| 15:17.31 | A-KO | orly |
| 15:17.42 | Legorol | There are a few CVars which are only configurable via console, but are stored server side, and can cause problems. |
| 15:17.48 | A-KO | intersting |
| 15:18.27 | Legorol | There is an unassuming little button on the login screen under Options: "Reset User Options". This in fact resets all CVars to their default values and stores those on the server. |
| 15:19.38 | Legorol | One such example is cameraDistanceMax, which is often increased beyond its default value by raiders so they see more of the area. |
| 15:19.57 | Legorol | I was having a very odd and obscure bug which I was working to solve when I came across this issue of resetting. |
| 15:25.48 | foxlit | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/loadingreadyrun/1744-A-Stitch-In-Time << the Dr Horrible goggles return. |
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| 15:28.31 | Legorol | Can someone with US forum access post this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/137113 in this topic: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=24702152135 |
| 15:28.34 | Legorol | Thank you in advance. |
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| 15:39.04 | foxlit | sigh. |
| 15:39.29 | foxlit | WoW's mouse/keyboard event dispatch keeps finding new ways to annoy me. |
| 15:40.01 | haste | battle.net keeps finding new ways to crash wine, keeps annoying me |
| 15:41.14 | foxlit | I have a binding for MOUSE3 |
| 15:41.51 | foxlit | If ALT-MOUSE3 is pressed, my binding fires. I then re-assert a MOUSE3 binding; when ALT-MOUSE3 is released, my binding does not fire. |
| 15:43.18 | foxlit | On the other hand, if MOUSE3 is pressed and then released, my binding fires both times. |
| 15:43.22 | foxlit | Screw you, consistency. |
| 15:47.47 | Adys_ | haste: sc2/ptr? |
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| 15:48.25 | Adys | haste: if so, see http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21809 |
| 15:51.27 | haste | Adys: sc2 works, ptr doesn't |
| 15:52.02 | Adys | haste: same patch for both |
| 15:52.17 | haste | Adys: I know, but ptr refuses to work with it |
| 15:52.21 | Adys | hm |
| 15:52.26 | Adys | exact same crash? |
| 15:52.39 | haste | as I see it |
| 15:53.23 | Adys | haste: tried native wldap32.dll? |
| 15:53.30 | haste | nope |
| 15:53.43 | Adys | try it, i dont know if its worth something but still |
| 15:54.29 | haste | I'll give some shady site at google a whirl later today I guess |
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| 15:59.19 | foxlit | UIOptionsFrame needs to start being lazy with their panel initialization |
| 15:59.26 | foxlit | s/their/its/ |
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| 16:13.45 | foxlit | Though apparently it's only my panels that take an eternity to init :( |
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| 16:18.18 | zenzelezz | heh... so when I said I was thinking of setting up a mailserver on my Linode, a coworker kindly offered me an e-mail on his domain... teninchtrainofpain.com |
| 16:18.42 | A-KO | lol |
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| 16:18.49 | A-KO | right now #linode's flipping out |
| 16:18.52 | A-KO | dallas issues |
| 16:19.20 | Fisker | hey zenzelezz |
| 16:19.25 | Fisker | i fucked your sons dog |
| 16:19.32 | Fisker | btw haste be here |
| 16:19.44 | zenzelezz | I'm on the London center, so that's fine :-p |
| 16:19.46 | haste | hi |
| 16:19.53 | Fisker | hey |
| 16:19.56 | A-KO | yeah I'm in Newark, so all good here :P |
| 16:19.57 | Fisker | getting an eeepad? |
| 16:20.00 | haste | want to trade backs? |
| 16:20.07 | haste | I already have a eee pc |
| 16:20.10 | haste | don't need a pad |
| 16:20.15 | haste | my phone works like a pad |
| 16:20.17 | Fisker | i thought you said you didn't get one |
| 16:20.31 | Fisker | no your phone is more like a pamphlet than a pad |
| 16:23.44 | Fisker | btw haste |
| 16:23.52 | Fisker | i found a workaround for the bug you're talking about |
| 16:24.00 | Fisker | let me see if i can find the link |
| 16:25.03 | Fisker | http://tinyurl.com/36k7np4 |
| 16:25.05 | Fisker | there it was |
| 16:25.08 | Fisker | working 100% |
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| 16:25.44 | haste | This TinyURL redirects to: |
| 16:25.46 | haste | doesn't look legit! |
| 16:25.54 | Fisker | very legit haste |
| 16:25.58 | haste | noes |
| 16:26.12 | Fisker | i can confirm it works on my machine as well |
| 16:27.26 | haste | but it contains all kinds of unwanted side-effects |
| 16:29.57 | Fisker | i didn't see any |
| 16:30.20 | foxlit | wine + directx = meh |
| 16:30.29 | Kraps | http://tinyurl.com/nrbff |
| 16:33.54 | zenzelezz | "Israel did everything to avoid this." You know, except boarding the ship |
| 16:34.12 | Kraps | "Why Should We Buy and Authenticator? |
| 16:34.32 | foxlit | "You're a druid, you have no say in whats faceroll. You guys never die." |
| 16:34.53 | foxlit | People who die all the time underestimate how annoying it is to die if you never die. |
| 16:35.08 | Kalroth | qq |
| 16:35.22 | foxlit | qq! |
| 16:36.02 | Kraps | zenzelezz: they did get attacked... |
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| 16:36.16 | zenzelezz | when they boarded |
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| 16:36.33 | Kraps | yes |
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| 16:36.50 | foxlit | "International condemnation pours in after nine people die in a pre-dawn attack by Israeli commandos on a flotilla of six ships carrying aid for Gaza in defiance of a blockade."? |
| 16:37.05 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 16:37.15 | foxlit | If you're defying a blockade, what do you expect will happen? |
| 16:37.31 | zenzelezz | I don't give a damn |
| 16:37.39 | zenzelezz | I've not supported Israel's politics for a long time |
| 16:37.50 | Kraps | foxlit: but its humanitarian aid zomg |
| 16:37.54 | Kraps | my ass |
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| 16:49.50 | foxlit | /run debugprofilestart(); InterfaceOptionsFrame_Show(); print(debugprofilestop()); |
| 16:49.58 | foxlit | 234 : |
| 16:50.01 | foxlit | / |
| 16:50.13 | foxlit | That really kind of sucks. |
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| 16:51.33 | foxlit | And the majority of that time seems to be spent for blizzard panels. Boo. |
| 16:53.19 | zenzelezz | 18.86735... |
| 16:54.06 | zenzelezz | is yours with (m)any addons? |
| 16:54.15 | foxlit | zenzelezz: no. |
| 16:54.23 | foxlit | but try replacing _Show with |
| 16:54.31 | foxlit | InterfaceOptionsOptionsFrame_RefreshCategories() |
| 16:54.43 | foxlit | which just fires .refresh on Blizzard panels only. |
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| 16:54.56 | foxlit | That comes out to roughly 200 for me. |
| 16:54.56 | mikma | InterfaceOptionsOptionsFrame_Crash() |
| 16:55.16 | zenzelezz | foxlit: 14.559590 |
| 16:55.44 | zenzelezz | only OPie showing addons settings |
| 16:56.04 | foxlit | Benched addon ones separately, they contribute like 0.02 ms at worst. |
| 16:56.56 | zenzelezz | guess it could be just difference between our computers, but it sounds odd that yours would be so much higher |
| 16:57.27 | foxlit | ~220 with all addons disabled :/ |
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| 17:06.15 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:08.13 | foxlit | Hm, it's dropdowns :/ |
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| 17:16.53 | zenzelezz | frustrating connection is frustrating |
| 17:24.46 | foxlit | zenzelezz: it seems to me like each dropdown in blizzard options is taking 20-30 ms to refresh |
| 17:27.01 | zenzelezz | I tried running both (Show and RefreshCategories) and the result was about the same combined, 37.28... don't know what to make of it |
| 17:27.18 | Iriel | What's your framerate? |
| 17:27.29 | zenzelezz | capped at 60 |
| 17:27.31 | foxlit | show is basically refreshcategories + refreshaddons |
| 17:27.37 | foxlit | vsync'ed at 60 |
| 17:27.46 | zenzelezz | windowed mode, so Windows' vsync |
| 17:28.37 | Iriel | Is the 30 ms the execution time, or wall clock time between start and end? (i.e. is it possible there's an OnUpdate wait in there somewhere) |
| 17:28.39 | foxlit | Iriel: the basic issue is that opening the InterfaceOptionsFrame takes a long time for me. I can't seem to figure out why. |
| 17:29.25 | Iriel | foxlit: Does the problem occur with all addons disabled? |
| 17:29.30 | foxlit | Iriel: yes. |
| 17:29.35 | Dagmar | MIght it be doing osmething to inventory all the modules it needs to add to the Addons options frame? |
| 17:29.46 | foxlit | It's specific to panels provided by FrameXML; addons seem to be behave. |
| 17:30.02 | zenzelezz | this is live, not PTR? |
| 17:30.04 | Dagmar | Ah shoots that theory then |
| 17:30.07 | foxlit | live. |
| 17:30.27 | Iriel | I wonder if its one of the lower level system calls (audio/graphics) being slow |
| 17:30.43 | zenzelezz | foxlit: OS? |
| 17:30.47 | Iriel | Though i'm not sure if any of those are called prematurely |
| 17:30.48 | foxlit | zenzelezz: win7x64 |
| 17:30.54 | zenzelezz | hm, same |
| 17:31.24 | foxlit | Hm, UIDRopDownMenu_SetSelectedValue |
| 17:33.16 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/137115 |
| 17:34.16 | Iriel | What if you put a print in the middle too |
| 17:34.21 | Iriel | between 3 and 4 |
| 17:34.30 | foxlit | There are about 10 such dropdown updates, which adds up to my total number |
| 17:34.43 | foxlit | Iriel: _Initialize is about 4ms, _SSV is around 16ms |
| 17:34.56 | foxlit | and _SSV is basically a call to _Refresh |
| 17:35.24 | zenzelezz | 2.081 |
| 17:36.57 | Iriel | foxlit: /dump UIDROPDOWNMENU_MAXBUTTONS |
| 17:37.01 | foxlit | 24 |
| 17:39.23 | Fisker | zenzelezz |
| 17:39.31 | Fisker | would you care to guess what i did to your sons dog? |
| 17:40.28 | Fisker | OH |
| 17:40.29 | Fisker | MY |
| 17:40.31 | Fisker | FUCKING |
| 17:40.48 | mikma | COW |
| 17:41.15 | Shirik | .... |
| 17:41.46 | Fisker | ValveTestApp24780 Beta |
| 17:41.49 | Fisker | SCBeta |
| 17:41.50 | Fisker | :OOOO |
| 17:42.03 | Fisker | Only thing that doesn't check out is that it's got swedish |
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| 17:42.44 | Fisker | this is my own fault |
| 17:42.46 | mikma | what are you mumbling about |
| 17:43.01 | Fisker | could be SC2 |
| 17:43.15 | Fisker | but i can't verify it because i had them fix the bug that showed all apps :o |
| 17:43.18 | mikma | and you could lose about every account you have |
| 17:43.32 | Fisker | wat? |
| 17:44.03 | cogwheel | hai guis wuts goin on in here? |
| 17:44.07 | industrial | I used to have anonsteam it was awzum |
| 17:44.14 | industrial | all steam games on my account |
| 17:44.24 | industrial | back then though that was only like 50 games max on steam |
| 17:44.42 | foxlit | Iriel: I think I'm blaming _GetSelectedID() |
| 17:44.44 | industrial | lol anonsteam. thats a honest typo. I meant non-steam. |
| 17:45.24 | foxlit | that seems to be around 0.13ms per invoke, and 24*2*0.13 seems about right. |
| 17:45.39 | industrial | folds into himself and pops away |
| 17:46.20 | Iriel | Ouch, that implementation makes _Refresh awful |
| 17:46.51 | foxlit | heads off to find food. |
| 17:49.29 | Fisker | ~seen jnwhiteh |
| 17:49.32 | purl | jnwhiteh is currently on #wowprogramming (16h 12m 16s) #wowuidev (16h 12m 16s) #wowace (16h 12m 16s), last said: 'I just think it'd be a very bizarre prescedent for them to make'. |
| 17:50.25 | Fisker | ;( |
| 17:54.01 | cogwheel | Fisker: |
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| 18:05.23 | Fisker | cogwheel: |
| 18:05.33 | cogwheel | ohai |
| 18:05.49 | cogwheel | my druid's level 5! |
| 18:06.08 | zenzelezz | u kno cat? |
| 18:06.36 | cogwheel | nawt yet QQ |
| 18:06.57 | zenzelezz | you make me want to read Alamo's guide again |
| 18:08.34 | Fisker | sweet cogwheel |
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| 18:19.03 | cogwheel | Fisker: fucking magnets |
| 18:19.53 | Fisker | FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 18:20.23 | Fisker | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/05/31/dungeon-keeper-world-hmm/ |
| 18:22.35 | Fisker | lol foxlit |
| 18:22.43 | Fisker | lene espersen er da dummere end lort |
| 18:23.33 | foxlit | Fisker: but she looks better than Lars. |
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| 18:26.08 | Fisker | yes |
| 18:26.42 | Fisker | lich king was a jerk |
| 18:27.03 | Fisker | So we used 20 minutes on having people watch the tankspot video |
| 18:27.07 | Fisker | i didn't watch it |
| 18:27.11 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: you are an AMCT arent you |
| 18:27.19 | Fisker | all melee (besides me) was killed to shadow trap |
| 18:27.23 | Fisker | and a few ranged as well |
| 18:27.23 | Thunder_Child | ACMT* |
| 18:27.27 | Fisker | ACMT? |
| 18:27.41 | Thunder_Child | Apple Certified Mac Technician |
| 18:27.50 | Fisker | no |
| 18:27.54 | Thunder_Child | no lie |
| 18:27.57 | Fisker | well actually i am |
| 18:28.03 | Fisker | Because everything voids your warranty anyway |
| 18:28.18 | Fisker | so i all i have to do is keep the machine and send back a letter requesting $$$$$$ |
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| 18:32.07 | Ackis | fyi Dawn of War 2 Gold edition is on sale on Steam, excellent game, especially at $20 |
| 18:33.05 | Fisker | naw |
| 18:33.08 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 18:33.14 | Kraps | Shirik |
| 18:33.18 | Ackis | hey Fisker |
| 18:33.20 | Shirik | kraps |
| 18:33.20 | Fisker | are you also a console fag that can't computer and figure out alpha protocol? |
| 18:33.28 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_clash |
| 18:33.32 | Kraps | watch it |
| 18:33.48 | Nechckn | Do Apple Techs not just get training on the different ways to write "User Error" a sthe resolution to all issues? Seeing as how nothing would ever be wrong from the big fruit's end, that is. |
| 18:34.00 | Shirik | watch? |
| 18:34.04 | Shirik | why |
| 18:34.16 | Ackis | Fisker: haven't tried alpha protocol |
| 18:34.17 | Kraps | you're an admin |
| 18:34.25 | Fisker | you should Ackis |
| 18:34.32 | Kraps | i want it to be my point of view |
| 18:34.37 | Fisker | unless your idea of a stealth game is Splinter Cell: Conviction |
| 18:34.37 | Kraps | now |
| 18:34.54 | MoonWitch | Nechckn: We use 101 as "user error" |
| 18:35.08 | Ackis | I don't really like "stealth" games, I've never been stealthy irl, so never tried to be in games, I'd rather shoot em all dead |
| 18:35.40 | Nechckn | That is cute, MoonWitch. |
| 18:35.42 | Fisker | it's a pretty genius stealth game though |
| 18:35.47 | Shirik | Kraps that page is flying |
| 18:35.48 | Shirik | omg |
| 18:35.52 | Fisker | unfortunately many other people doesn't know what stealth is |
| 18:36.04 | Kraps | flying? |
| 18:36.14 | Dagmar | Shirik: Shit is happening there right this second is why |
| 18:36.19 | Ackis | Fisker: batman:AA was my last "stealth" game I had to play |
| 18:36.23 | Shirik | you know what guys |
| 18:36.27 | Shirik | I told you guys about this HOURS ago |
| 18:36.32 | Shirik | and everyone was like "wtf are you smoking" |
| 18:36.47 | Fisker | :O Ackis |
| 18:36.53 | Fisker | well this game actually punishes you for shit and stuff |
| 18:36.57 | Shirik | (22:22:40) (@Shirik) something really bad just happened |
| 18:36.57 | Shirik | (22:22:43) (@Shirik) I'm not sure what |
| 18:37.01 | Shirik | (22:22:52) (@Shirik) but news agencies are freaking out |
| 18:37.06 | Shirik | (22:26:25) (@Shirik) http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/31/gaza.protest/ |
| 18:37.09 | Shirik | (22:29:15) (NiLon) Shirik that gaza news don't say a frag to me, is that something special? |
| 18:37.32 | Kraps | hey Shirik |
| 18:37.41 | Kraps | you dont matter |
| 18:37.47 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:38.09 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:38.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: er, and? i knew about it then too, its not hard to read news :P |
| 18:38.33 | Shirik | yall are mean |
| 18:38.34 | Shirik | except Fisker |
| 18:38.35 | Shirik | he's cool |
| 18:38.43 | Kraps | whai what |
| 18:38.46 | Fisker | our foreign minister, which was recently accused(which later turned out to be right) of slacking off didn't meet to a meeting about that situation Shirik |
| 18:38.48 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 18:39.01 | Kraps | denmark? |
| 18:39.04 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:39.39 | Kraps | Denmark's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Lene Espersen, described the confrontation as strongly worrying and has summoned the Israeli ambassador to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to explain the incident. |
| 18:40.01 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 18:40.03 | Fisker | she didn't meet |
| 18:40.49 | Kraps | shes hot |
| 18:41.12 | zenzelezz | until she opens her mouth and you hear the language |
| 18:41.22 | Kraps | lol? |
| 18:41.44 | Ackis | Fisker: R U Butt Hurt? http://iamhilarious.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/butt-hurt.jpg |
| 18:42.00 | Fisker | i fucked your mom Ackis |
| 18:42.12 | Ackis | lulz |
| 18:42.14 | NightHawkTheSane | most people stop being attractive the moment they open their mouth :P |
| 18:42.22 | Ackis | there's a sign near my house that says "Goats Eye" |
| 18:42.25 | Ackis | I giggle |
| 18:42.29 | Ackis | and think of Fisker |
| 18:42.32 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: it goes doubly so for Danish |
| 18:42.47 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: and yet we still precreate at an alarming rate |
| 18:42.51 | Thunder_Child | procreate* |
| 18:42.52 | Kraps | Shirik: the edits are actually quite slow |
| 18:43.00 | Shirik | 1 a minute? |
| 18:43.33 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.24 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 18:44.30 | Kraps | hey |
| 18:44.47 | Fisker | btw |
| 18:44.57 | Fisker | DXE needs admiral ackbar on LK HC |
| 18:45.08 | Fisker | (Shadow Trap): IT'S A TRAP |
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| 18:47.38 | foxlit | aside from the comedy value, if you have people who aren't able to move out of those things without addon assistance, you have no business doing heroic LK |
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| 18:49.03 | zenzelezz | must be fun to be Blizzard |
| 18:49.13 | zenzelezz | QQ ure making it too casual frendly |
| 18:49.21 | zenzelezz | QQ ure drstoying AVR |
| 18:49.30 | foxlit | QQ ure making it casual-unfriendly! |
| 18:49.49 | foxlit | The "pick a side!" post is particularly silly |
| 18:50.51 | Fisker | so what you're saying is that you've never had anyone be hit by Shadow Trap? |
| 18:51.03 | foxlit | We're just that pro. |
| 18:51.11 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.17 | Fisker | no not really foxlit |
| 18:51.21 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.29 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.47 | Kraps | zenzelezz: 2nd post from the bottom |
| 18:52.49 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25172037093/avr-+-avre-questions-for-blizz/ |
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| 18:53.43 | zenzelezz | Kraps: yeah, saw that \o/ |
| 18:54.37 | Kraps | but theres no way to take that out of context, so the whiners will just ignore it |
| 18:55.16 | zenzelezz | true |
| 18:56.09 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 18:56.30 | Fisker | just shows a lack of knowledge on the subject from Zarhym's side |
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| 18:58.09 | Kraps | Fisker: are you a whiner? |
| 18:58.49 | Fisker | silly question |
| 18:59.13 | Kraps | rhetorical |
| 19:01.00 | foxlit | qq, stv arena |
| 19:04.08 | Fisker | anyway LK HC is pretty annoying with 0 hunters and rogues |
| 19:06.56 | Kraps | orc or tauren? |
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| 19:07.41 | foxlit | People teaming up to get the chest are clearly cheaters :P |
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| 19:18.04 | Fisker | yeeeeeeees |
| 19:18.06 | Fisker | i died on LK |
| 19:18.07 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 19:22.33 | Stanzilla | we have one hunter |
| 19:22.37 | Stanzilla | and she fails all the time |
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| 19:42.27 | Ackis | amg |
| 19:42.33 | Ackis | they did my city with google street view |
| 19:42.37 | Ackis | I can see the back end of my car |
| 19:42.52 | Fisker | i did your mom with google stree view |
| 19:45.40 | Ackis | haha my home town is on it as well |
| 19:45.51 | Ackis | time to see if the spot where I was arrested is located |
| 19:46.30 | Ackis | nope |
| 19:46.38 | airtonix | mhm <picture of ackis being subjected to a roadside full cavity search> |
| 19:46.53 | airtonix | unsee that ! |
| 19:47.03 | Ackis | heh it happened back before there was an intertubes |
| 19:47.26 | Gintaro | Any decent JDK for windows out there |
| 19:48.42 | Ackis | Fisker I think Blur is fun! |
| 19:49.04 | Fisker | wnope ackis |
| 19:51.23 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=3554 |
| 20:08.21 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 20:09.45 | Shirik | http://www.mostfungames.com/beat-up-your-pc.htm |
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| 20:18.04 | Kalroth | http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/Any_Idea.jpg |
| 20:21.12 | Dashkal | Is it possible to get ahold of my reputation for a faction including the fractional portion? |
| 20:22.05 | Shadowed | You cannot get the fractional portion |
| 20:22.22 | Dashkal | drat |
| 20:23.01 | Shadowed | What are you trying to do? You shouldn't need that level of accuracy |
| 20:23.18 | Dashkal | Being anal about accuracy. I don't need it. |
| 20:23.40 | Shadowed | fair enough |
| 20:24.01 | Dashkal | I wrote a small program to track how many writs I need for the tourney. I wanted to cover the rare edge case where it would count (where you'd exalt exactly) |
| 20:25.38 | Dashkal | Of course the odds of that are slightly better than 1:62.5 so *shrugs* buy an extra writ and all is good. |
| 20:30.40 | Adys | [23:22:33] <@Shadowed> What are you trying to do? You shouldn't need that level of accuracy |
| 20:30.41 | Adys | yeah |
| 20:30.43 | Adys | YOU can say that |
| 20:30.48 | Shadowed | shut up Adys |
| 20:30.51 | Adys | :D |
| 20:31.14 | Shadowed | Dashkal: I think the odds of you actually triggering that are like one in a billion |
| 20:31.56 | Dashkal | Shadowed: Heh, I can't be bothered to work out the actual odds. the 62.5 came from the spillover rep you gain when turning in a writ. |
| 20:32.12 | Dashkal | Still, given the solution is to just buy one extra writ. It really doesn't matter. |
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| 20:44.24 | zenzelezz | "Right now I'm working on a project I call GU Reboot. The comic I feel is tapering off. And it either needs new life breathed into it, or I should just close it down and go do something else." - intriguing... I do feel Gucomics haven't been as fun for a while |
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| 20:53.22 | Kraps | zenzelezz: heh, people on kotaku were griping about that |
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| 21:01.16 | Fisker | hey Shadowed |
| 21:01.31 | Fisker | any new ideas you've stolen from people? |
| 21:02.45 | Fisker | bye cog|away |
| 21:02.51 | Fisker | ~seen Antiarc |
| 21:02.53 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (4d 22m 25s) #wowace (4d 22m 25s) #curseforge (4d 22m 25s). Has said a total of 189 messages. Is idling for 1m 3s, last said: 'The second minimap object? Yes.'. |
| 21:02.56 | Fisker | ~seen jnwhiteh |
| 21:02.57 | purl | jnwhiteh is currently on #wowprogramming (19h 25m 41s) #wowuidev (19h 25m 41s) #wowace (19h 25m 41s), last said: 'I just think it'd be a very bizarre prescedent for them to make'. |
| 21:04.46 | Fisker | kills haste |
| 21:05.07 | Kraps | you're all over the place arent you Fisker |
| 21:05.18 | Fisker | indeed |
| 21:05.50 | Alram | sadly he is! |
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| 21:08.13 | Rave | can anyone help me with a US scroll of resurrection? |
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| 21:09.21 | airtonix | lol |
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| 21:14.49 | Rave | This Mirc is tough :P |
| 21:14.58 | airtonix | whats mirc ? |
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| 21:18.29 | Dagmar | A horrible Win32 IRC client. |
| 21:18.55 | airtonix | ;) |
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| 21:19.37 | airtonix | hi again rave |
| 21:19.47 | airtonix | obvious nick change is obvious |
| 21:20.02 | Gintaro | diff host though |
| 21:20.08 | Gintaro | other was neo, this is columbus |
| 21:22.53 | airtonix | quiet! you ruin my smug sense of superiority! |
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| 21:27.09 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25172038561&sid=1#4 who is this imposter? |
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| 21:30.06 | Seerah | I don't know... but I saw a post by them a few days ago |
| 21:30.56 | Seerah | wow... apparently, they've posted quite a bit |
| 21:45.19 | Arrowmaster | mmmm N3II demo, fun |
| 21:46.49 | zenzelezz | N3II? |
| 21:50.24 | foxlit | Nell? |
| 21:52.46 | airtonix | snell! |
| 21:53.18 | zenzelezz | Schnell! |
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| 22:25.22 | batrick | http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/05/31/honduras.storm.emergency/index.html?hpt=T1 |
| 22:25.28 | batrick | how the hell did that happen from a storm? |
| 22:26.45 | Xyphoid | fff i think i have a new phobia now |
| 22:26.46 | Xyphoid | thanks |
| 22:28.56 | Thunder_Child | thats awesome |
| 22:29.43 | Xyphoid | looks like a misattributed photo |
| 22:30.15 | Xyphoid | maybe, hm, comparing articles from 2007 |
| 22:30.21 | Xyphoid | i guess they're just prone to sinkholes |
| 22:31.25 | Mr_Rabies | <batrick> how the hell did that happen from a storm? |
| 22:31.46 | Mr_Rabies | it pissed off some spiral warrior underground, and he did a giga drill break, i think |
| 22:31.52 | Kaso | thats terrifying |
| 22:33.39 | Kaso | there was a sinkhole in 2007: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Broken_stormwater_drain_led_to_Guatemala_sinkhole |
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| 22:38.24 | Kraps | lol Guatemala |
| 22:38.46 | Kraps | they need to level Engineering |
| 22:39.15 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25172038425&sid=1 |
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| 22:42.55 | Kraps | is 4 months logical for catas release? |
| 22:43.23 | batrick | blizzard will release it when they need a new layer for their cake beds |
| 22:43.34 | batrick | err |
| 22:43.38 | batrick | i messed that up |
| 22:44.25 | Shirik | I hope so |
| 22:44.28 | Shirik | because that made no sense at all |
| 22:44.34 | batrick | rofl |
| 22:44.40 | batrick | ya i was going somewhere with that |
| 22:44.49 | batrick | and left out a couple key adjectives |
| 22:44.51 | batrick | o well |
| 22:45.32 | batrick | HEY SHIRIK |
| 22:45.39 | Shirik | HEY BATRICK |
| 22:45.39 | batrick | how's the 4chan doing |
| 22:45.44 | Shirik | 4chan is quiet today |
| 22:45.50 | Shirik | instead I'm too busy yelling at wikipedians |
| 22:46.04 | Kraps | oh noes |
| 22:46.15 | Shirik | my most recent one being http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KhamaPula&diff=365308821&oldid=365308737 |
| 22:47.36 | Xyphoid | that's an awesome RFA |
| 22:47.38 | batrick | lol |
| 22:47.48 | Shirik | I think this was my favorite part http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/KhamaPula&diff=prev&oldid=365304074 |
| 22:47.51 | Kraps | Shirik |
| 22:47.52 | Shirik | oh you already found it Xyphoid? |
| 22:48.10 | Kraps | why are you keeping the Africans down |
| 22:48.12 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:48.32 | Shirik | for the record I didn't block him |
| 22:48.37 | Shirik | I gave him a warning |
| 22:48.43 | Shirik | and then an arbitrator blocked him a few minutes later |
| 22:48.56 | Shirik | (I don't review my own blocks :P) |
| 22:49.21 | batrick | shirik you need a new hobby |
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| 22:49.30 | Shirik | I'm going to play halo soon |
| 22:49.56 | Shirik | I'm sick of refreshing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Checkuser_and_oversighter_selection anyway |
| 22:50.25 | batrick | halo 3? |
| 22:50.33 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:50.37 | batrick | ohhhh shit |
| 22:50.58 | batrick | almost as good as chess |
| 22:50.59 | Shirik | when I can't block 4chan I choose to shoot people in the head instead |
| 22:52.01 | Kraps | the people who post welcome templates need some more situational awareness |
| 22:52.44 | Adys | !api pickupspell |
| 22:56.23 | Kraps | the primary purpose of the Arbitration Committee is to make those decisions which the Wikipedia community at large is too indecisive to make on their own. |
| 22:56.34 | Kraps | Shirik is a hater |
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| 22:56.56 | Shirik | wat |
| 22:56.59 | Shirik | what am I hating on |
| 22:57.06 | Shirik | it's true |
| 22:57.15 | Kraps | HATER |
| 22:57.38 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:57.47 | Shirik | DID YOU VOTE IN THE CU/OS ELECTION |
| 22:57.49 | Shirik | I THINK NOT |
| 22:57.55 | Shirik | YOU ARE WHY NOBODY GOT ELECTED |
| 22:58.00 | Shirik | voter apathy is evil |
| 22:58.03 | Kraps | :'( |
| 22:58.07 | Shirik | :P |
| 22:58.46 | Thunder_Child | i never vote |
| 22:59.09 | Thunder_Child | there are somethings i choose to spend my energy on, that isnt one of them |
| 22:59.15 | Thunder_Child | some things* |
| 22:59.55 | Shirik | you also aren't a wikipedian :P |
| 23:00.11 | Kraps | Hilary Duff wrote book |
| 23:00.25 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: and you know this how? |
| 23:00.34 | Shirik | assumption |
| 23:01.11 | Thunder_Child | ass is right |
| 23:03.42 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:13.47 | Kraps | Shirik |
| 23:15.32 | cog|away | http://skepchick.org/blog/2010/05/the-pope-fondled-powdered-toast-man/ |
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