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| 00:16.52 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
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| 00:18.35 | |Jelly| | tickles Shirik. |
| 00:19.57 | Lopeppeppy | Kinkyspace |
| 00:21.09 | |Jelly| | He doesn't luff me anymore. |
| 00:23.12 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry. I'm sure it's not you, it's him. |
| 00:23.23 | |Jelly| | Don't lie to me; I'm not fragile! |
| 00:23.31 | Lopeppeppy | No, it's really really him! :) |
| 00:23.36 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 00:23.44 | Shirik | hi |Jelly| |
| 00:24.01 | Shirik | I'm on vacation so I am trying to avoid my computer |
| 00:24.30 | |Jelly| | But Shirik! ILY! |
| 00:24.40 | Lopeppeppy | get a room! |
| 00:24.46 | Shirik | <3 |
| 00:24.49 | Shirik | kbye |
| 00:25.22 | |Jelly| | bai |
| 00:26.06 | Cide | hi |
| 00:26.10 | Cide | bye |
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| 00:33.52 | Lopeppeppy | EIEIO! |
| 00:38.36 | Amarande | bah, we have a beginner tank who's having trouble with the number of mobs in the slag room in HoL |
| 00:38.51 | Amarande | should I initiate a votekick, since this is like the third healer we've had ditch us after 2 seconds because they want a 45k+ tank? |
| 00:39.35 | WobWork | how about.. teaching him how to handle it? |
| 00:39.47 | WobWork | how much melee do you have? |
| 00:39.54 | Jerub | Amarande: uh, the slags should die before the tank. |
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| 00:40.04 | WobWork | it's usually the slags dying that kill the tank |
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| 00:40.08 | WobWork | if the tank dies |
| 00:40.12 | Jerub | WobWork: yes. exactly. |
| 00:40.14 | Jerub | just before the tank |
| 00:40.19 | Jerub | aoe moar |
| 00:40.22 | WobWork | or less |
| 00:40.27 | WobWork | if he's having aoe trouble |
| 00:40.35 | WobWork | er aggro issues |
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| 00:40.40 | Lopeppeppy | Exsanguinate |
| 00:40.41 | Amarande | Wob: right now, the DPS are a hunter, a warlock, and a DK (I'm the DK) |
| 00:40.50 | WobWork | what sort of healer? |
| 00:40.57 | Jerub | Amarande: put on frost presence, smash them, move on. |
| 00:41.04 | Amarande | we had a priest and pally healer quit on us after attemping the room |
| 00:41.14 | WobWork | frost presence it |
| 00:41.22 | WobWork | have the hunter MD to the tank |
| 00:41.23 | Amarande | the third healer was a druid, and ditched us about 2 seconds after joining without bothering to even stay to try the room |
| 00:41.31 | WobWork | stupid |
| 00:41.42 | Jerub | you're using the standard tactic, run through the room (left side of center pillar), standing on the stairs and dpsing down the slags that you pull? |
| 00:41.46 | Amarande | I have 16.3k unbuffed with frost presence. I'm going to go squish. |
| 00:41.46 | WobWork | I pulled a 23k new 80 tank through HoL with no problems |
| 00:41.51 | Amarande | Jerub: I think he went to the right. |
| 00:41.59 | WobWork | (as the healer) |
| 00:42.07 | Dagmar | Either side works, so long as you all pick the same one |
| 00:42.21 | Jerub | well, yes, but i always go left. |
| 00:42.23 | Amarande | Yeah, but all the healers queuing tonight appear to just be "I want my two quick triumphs, gimme an ubertank" types :| |
| 00:42.52 | WobWork | The only reason I queue nowadays, is for the challenge of healing pugs |
| 00:43.04 | Dagmar | We've always just AoE'd the lot, but then I think we're kinda overgeared and our guild healer is badass |
| 00:43.05 | Jerub | at what level can i do magesters terrace? |
| 00:43.10 | Jerub | i'm 68 now and can't queue for it |
| 00:43.11 | WobWork | 70? |
| 00:43.19 | Dagmar | Jerub: MGT is kinda brutal, man |
| 00:43.21 | WobWork | yeah |
| 00:43.24 | Dagmar | You're going to want to be 70 for it |
| 00:43.28 | Jerub | Dagmar: need it for OL dungeonmaster |
| 00:43.40 | WobWork | MGT is not one of those "haha, steamroll" instances |
| 00:43.41 | Jerub | i tanked mechanar at 67. :D |
| 00:43.43 | WobWork | even at 80 |
| 00:43.48 | Dagmar | Well, if you go in there without your game face on, all you'll be getting is a sizable repair bill |
| 00:43.59 | WobWork | Jerub: yes, mechanar you probably can |
| 00:43.59 | Dagmar | The "5x5" fight in there will *slaughter* an unprepared group |
| 00:44.04 | WobWork | MGT you can't =P |
| 00:44.17 | Dagmar | Think of it like the Shattered Halls of that Isle |
| 00:44.28 | WobWork | Mechanar was designed for end game BC |
| 00:44.31 | Dagmar | THe mobs are mean and there's hardly any "small" pulls |
| 00:44.36 | WobWork | MGT is -past- that |
| 00:44.41 | WobWork | consider it the ICC5s of BC |
| 00:45.17 | WobWork | they were designed for groups where they outgeared all the normal BC instances |
| 00:45.24 | Dagmar | Somehwere between the 2nd instance and Halls of Reflection |
| 00:45.38 | Dagmar | GOing in there before you're 70 is pushin' yer luck |
| 00:45.39 | Jerub | interesting. |
| 00:45.49 | Jerub | well. i'm going to do it. with lfd. |
| 00:45.59 | WobWork | I'm still sad more people don't refer to it as MrT |
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| 00:46.16 | Jerub | there are 3 instances this toon hasn't done with level appropriate groups. RFK, Gnomer and Deadmines. |
| 00:46.30 | WobWork | horde? |
| 00:46.32 | foxlit | It's MT. |
| 00:46.34 | Amarande | might actually have been the hunter's fault, come to think of it |
| 00:46.37 | foxlit | Who cares about mana tombs? |
| 00:46.40 | Amarande | his cat is only 76, might have caused too many to pull |
| 00:46.41 | WobWork | MT is Mana Tombs, fool |
| 00:46.50 | Dagmar | Speaking of Gnomeregan, I'm still itching to get those gnomes out of Ironforge |
| 00:46.54 | foxlit | WobWork: too fast for you <3 |
| 00:47.09 | WobWork | foxlit: You missed the Mr T reference =P |
| 00:47.22 | Dagmar | It's like the trolls taking back the Echo Isles.. a determined level 20 can empty the place, so what's been holding *them* up |
| 00:47.27 | foxlit | Nah. |
| 00:47.36 | foxlit | I just didn't think it linked closely enough to the instance name. |
| 00:51.48 | Dagmar | ASUS needs to hurry up and get their new netbooks to market |
| 00:52.06 | Dagmar | I don't expect to *raid* on the thing, but one of their new ones looks like it will run WoW acceptably |
| 00:52.25 | Jerub | enoguh for AH farming ;) |
| 00:52.38 | Dagmar | ENough for questing |
| 00:52.59 | Dagmar | You can do the AH on the atom N270 and intel GMalready |
| 00:53.08 | Dagmar | er intel GMA |
| 00:53.22 | Jerub | questing? |
| 00:53.23 | Jerub | tee hee |
| 00:56.27 | Jerub | should probably start getting wotlk gear for my warrior |
| 00:57.33 | Amarande | yay, continuing, just passed Ionar |
| 00:59.55 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
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| 01:03.33 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! || 3.3.5 PTR Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/bY6mEm || BlizzCon Tickets on Sale June 2 & 5 http://cot.ag/9ceCch |
| 01:08.51 | Amarande | wow, is Loken really that easy on normal? |
| 01:09.02 | Amarande | even with our beginner tank, he went down without me really worrying |
| 01:09.17 | Jerub | Amarande: loken? |
| 01:09.27 | Jerub | Amarande: loken requires a significant amount of finesse. |
| 01:09.33 | airtonix | lol |
| 01:09.36 | airtonix | l2disco |
| 01:09.49 | Jerub | Amarande: in order to ge tthe entire party into dps range all at the same time so you can get him down in under 15 seconds. |
| 01:09.57 | Jerub | harder with melee |
| 01:09.57 | airtonix | DISCO STU! |
| 01:10.30 | Jerub | Amarande: but to answer the question you were actually asking, yes, loken is that easy. |
| 01:10.56 | airtonix | Amarande, so : short answer : YES, long answer : NO |
| 01:12.26 | Amarande | heh, at least on normal, I find that discoing is a waste of time on a DK ... just stay behind him and wail, pop AMS and/or IF for the worse parts |
| 01:12.35 | Amarande | remember, DKs want to stand in bad on occasion at least :) |
| 01:12.39 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.41 | Jerub | hardest boss in wotlk dungeons is bram |
| 01:12.54 | airtonix | i mean with a disco priest it's lol |
| 01:13.30 | Adys | Okay |
| 01:13.37 | airtonix | die druid! |
| 01:13.38 | Adys | Ive seen this icon almost every day of my life |
| 01:13.42 | Adys | for the past seven years |
| 01:13.51 | Adys | It's possibly the ugliest icon in game |
| 01:13.53 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/img/icons/ability_seal.png |
| 01:13.56 | Adys | and it's a seal. |
| 01:14.11 | Adys | it's not a ghost crying and scared |
| 01:14.21 | Adys | it's not an explosion with a black hole in it |
| 01:14.22 | airtonix | and its just an imported photo |
| 01:14.28 | Adys | it's a photographed seal |
| 01:14.32 | airtonix | fail |
| 01:15.37 | Adys | .. uh |
| 01:15.39 | Adys | interesting |
| 01:15.50 | Adys | i just found a nice security issue with authenticator login |
| 01:15.59 | Jerub | Adys: hm? |
| 01:16.21 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 01:16.25 | A-KO | what's that? |
| 01:16.26 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
| 01:16.31 | Sargeras | hallo poppet |
| 01:16.37 | Adys | yeah, yell it on every irc chan Im gonna do that :P |
| 01:16.46 | A-KO | heh |
| 01:16.52 | WobWork | I just prebubble everyone |
| 01:16.53 | A-KO | it might be one they might already know :P |
| 01:17.02 | WobWork | then Borrowtimed PoH |
| 01:17.08 | A-KO | sure it's a security issue and not just you? |
| 01:17.43 | Adys | i'm sure it's not just me, I just logged in to my account management page without requiring my auth code |
| 01:18.05 | Amarande | Adys: it still requires your password, I hope? |
| 01:18.23 | A-KO | adys: interesting |
| 01:18.24 | Adys | yeah but this makes authenticators useless |
| 01:18.29 | Adys | you could drop them from here |
| 01:18.30 | A-KO | You might want to report that one |
| 01:18.39 | Adys | oh, nah, I'll post it on mmowned and let them sort it out. |
| 01:18.49 | Adys | ((IM KIDDING)) |
| 01:20.32 | WobWork | it failed for me |
| 01:33.17 | ScytheBlade1 | so in unrelated news, routing desktop display data from Salt Lake to New York to Frankfurt |
| 01:33.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Is in fact |
| 01:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Slow |
| 01:33.46 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 01:34.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Just in case anyone was curious |
| 01:34.15 | WobWork | ScytheBlade1: store the data on a SD chip |
| 01:34.21 | WobWork | tie it to a homing pigeon |
| 01:34.26 | Adys | profit |
| 01:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | WobWork: doesn't work that easily for things like live remote desktop sessions |
| 01:34.47 | ScytheBlade1 | this isn't a bandwidth issue, it is a latency issue |
| 01:34.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I only tie 2TB+ HDs to said pigeons |
| 01:35.02 | WobWork | hehe |
| 01:35.16 | Adys | id never tie any sort of hd to any sort of animal |
| 01:35.20 | Jerub | who runs mmo-champ? |
| 01:35.21 | Adys | i care about data thank you. |
| 01:35.23 | Jerub | anyone here? |
| 01:35.28 | Adys | Jerub: whats up? |
| 01:35.31 | Cide | yes |
| 01:35.35 | ScytheBlade1 | glances at Bibi, Adys, others |
| 01:35.37 | Jerub | 'Blacksmiths who arenât using there extra sockets' |
| 01:35.39 | Jerub | on front page. |
| 01:35.45 | Adys | I'm going to kill him |
| 01:35.45 | Dagmar | Elephants: High latency, but better than a whole closet full of T1s |
| 01:36.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Amusingly, our "backup" location has 4x DS3s. |
| 01:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm kinda jealous. |
| 01:36.31 | Adys | Jerub: fixed |
| 01:36.34 | Jerub | Adys: <3 |
| 01:36.55 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: theres no "others" in this chan btw :P |
| 01:37.01 | Jerub | (yes, i am the sort of person that takes people to task for incorect spelling and grammar on /2) |
| 01:37.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: ah. well, I'm crazy. |
| 01:37.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: at least I got you ALL on ONE line! ha! |
| 01:37.15 | Adys | Jerub: "there sockets" is horrible |
| 01:37.19 | Adys | I'm going to murder him |
| 01:37.31 | Jerub | Adys: it was a sentence before using 'their' correctly. |
| 01:37.32 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: as long as you dont get us ALL on ONE bed |
| 01:37.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: osnap |
| 01:38.02 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Adys |
| 01:38.02 | purl | beats Adys into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 01:38.02 | Jerub | Adys: i dunno, that could be fun, depends on how big the bed is tho |
| 01:38.50 | Cide | Adys: you sure? works fine here |
| 01:38.56 | Adys | wut |
| 01:39.02 | Cide | authenticator lolliness |
| 01:39.13 | Adys | its a specific bug |
| 01:39.35 | Cide | not just "try to log in to account management"? |
| 01:39.40 | Adys | yeah no |
| 01:39.43 | Cide | oh, ok |
| 01:40.36 | WobWork | Adys: what are the requirements? |
| 01:40.52 | Adys | password and account name |
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| 01:42.20 | WobWork | working as expected for me, for battle.net anyway |
| 01:42.21 | Jerub | Adys: i've bene able to get into my account management without an auth code |
| 01:42.32 | Jerub | Adys: at various points, but sometimes it asks me for a code |
| 01:42.46 | Adys | this is specific. i can reproduce it |
| 01:43.03 | Jerub | is this just us.battle.net ? |
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| 01:45.17 | Cairenn | Adys: pass me the info, please? |
| 01:45.25 | Cairenn | I'll get it into the right hands |
| 01:45.31 | Adys | already done :) |
| 01:45.34 | Cairenn | Okay |
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| 01:54.58 | WobWork | http://scuttle.mirror.waffleimages.com/data/files/d6/d6a134b173619bab8e4b64723602b7bec8951267.gif |
| 01:59.21 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6awXw_baxY |
| 01:59.29 | Adys | this is more brilliant every time i watch it |
| 02:00.35 | WobWork | rofl |
| 02:00.37 | WobWork | *THUNK* |
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| 02:43.50 | Thunder_Child | ~sexy |
| 02:43.51 | purl | "I'm bringing sexy back..." |
| 02:44.14 | Amarande | guh, Timberlake |
| 02:44.31 | Amarande | I still can't BELIEVE the Grammy judges thought he did a better dance track one year than Madonna, Depeche Mode, AND the Pet Shop Boys. :S |
| 02:44.37 | Amarande | unless |
| 02:44.41 | Amarande | do grammys even *have* judges |
| 02:44.51 | Amarande | or do they just go by the top sales/chart figures among the nominees? :S |
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| 02:48.48 | Torhal | Wow. Psycho Bible chick showing an SC2 strategy. NSFW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRdAc0LEE5A |
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| 02:50.34 | Shirik | has returned! |
| 02:50.36 | Shirik | hi |Jelly| |
| 02:50.41 | Cide | who cares |
| 02:50.43 | Cide | !! |
| 02:50.46 | |Jelly| | Hey :) |
| 02:51.25 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:51.29 | Shirik | not cool Cide |
| 02:51.30 | Shirik | not cool |
| 02:51.35 | Cide | 12 days of sc2 remaining |
| 02:51.36 | Cide | !! |
| 02:51.39 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:55.28 | Cide | see |
| 02:55.40 | Cide | you don't care either |
| 02:55.41 | Cide | ! |
| 02:55.43 | Cide | good night |
| 02:56.37 | tem | hahahahaha, Amarande getting owned on mmochampion |
| 02:58.57 | Amarande | ? |
| 02:59.03 | Amarande | I don't think I've ever posted on mmochampion |
| 03:01.27 | Amarande | Linky? |
| 03:03.48 | Amarande | haha http://verydemotivational.com/2010/04/18/demotivational-posters-paper/ |
| 03:05.09 | Amarande | tem: heh, are you talking about the elitist armory screenie? |
| 03:05.16 | Amarande | I don't have a character named Amarand :p |
| 03:05.24 | tem | yes |
| 03:05.36 | tem | I don't believe you |
| 03:06.20 | Amarande | I also wouldn't be caught dead playing on fucking Mal'Ganis |
| 03:07.10 | Amarande | I'd also say Elitist Armory has gotten pwned by mmochampion, in that /. kind of way :| |
| 03:07.37 | Amarande | I can't even look up my 80s ... I get this nice little piece of engrish: "Sorry but the queue is currently backed up, to keep the site from dying the position has been disabled." |
| 03:09.44 | Amarande | speaking of 80s, I have my second 80 now. |
| 03:09.51 | Amarande | and still two green pieces :( |
| 03:10.27 | Amarande | there is a serious lack of blue plate helms and belts pre-heroic :| |
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| 03:17.00 | WobWork | http://www.offbeatearth.com/dont-like-reading-other-uses-for-books/ |
| 03:17.02 | WobWork | woah |
| 03:22.15 | WobWork | Amarande: crafted? |
| 03:23.03 | Amarande | Wob: haven't checked the AH yet |
| 03:23.22 | Amarande | at least EG thinks all my gear but the shoulder piece is properly itemized, though :) |
| 03:23.44 | Amarande | speaking of EG, I wonder if anyone ever actually gets into raids with the average item level suggested by EG heh |
| 03:23.50 | Amarande | they seem low compared to what the GS whores demand |
| 03:26.13 | Amarande | but yeah, my next step with Vladoka anyway should probably be to check what crafted gear I can get that doesn't cost a mint |
| 03:26.29 | Amarande | (NOT 264 heh) |
| 03:26.58 | WobWork | =\ EA is not queuing up requests =( |
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| 03:28.08 | Amarande | like ... this is my DK right now |
| 03:28.09 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Vladoka |
| 03:28.14 | Amarande | note that I *just* dinged 80 |
| 03:28.30 | Amarande | and haven't set foot in even any reg 80 but HoL yet, let alone heroics |
| 03:29.38 | WobWork | checkout the AH for crafted gear |
| 03:30.00 | Amarande | yeah, I'm also having my JC craft a ring and neckpiece |
| 03:30.04 | WobWork | but you're dps |
| 03:30.07 | Amarande | (picking up 448 and 449 for the JC in the process, too) |
| 03:30.08 | WobWork | it's less of an issue |
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| 03:30.41 | WobWork | have them craft a metagem |
| 03:30.44 | WobWork | for the 450 |
| 03:31.00 | WobWork | you'll need it at some point once you get a head upgrade |
| 03:33.41 | Jerub | i saw in cataclysm that more expensive recipies will give more skillups. |
| 03:33.45 | Jerub | which is win |
| 03:34.19 | Amarande | you know what the big problem with metagems is? |
| 03:34.27 | Amarande | there's usually like, ONE metagem that's considered acceptable for any given spec |
| 03:34.31 | Jerub | Amarande: they require hugs and cuddles? |
| 03:34.34 | Amarande | and therefore like maybe four or five that actually get used |
| 03:34.45 | Amarande | the rest are just "crappy meta gems no one uses and you will get laughed at for using them" |
| 03:34.45 | Jerub | Amarande: there are heaps of meta gems. |
| 03:34.50 | Jerub | bah |
| 03:34.52 | Jerub | points one out |
| 03:34.52 | WobWork | and? |
| 03:35.17 | Jerub | same thing happens with epic gem recipies. |
| 03:35.26 | Jerub | there's a heap that no oen bothers to learn because no one cares. |
| 03:35.40 | Arrowmaster | some of the combinations are just silly though |
| 03:36.24 | Jerub | Armor Pen + Stamina, Agility + Stamina, Agility + mp5 |
| 03:36.39 | Arrowmaster | theres an agil + mp5? |
| 03:36.42 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 03:36.48 | Jerub | Tenuous |
| 03:37.50 | Arrowmaster | like i could see somebody using armor pen + stam if they were a pvper and used mostly one of those but needed the other color for a meta |
| 03:37.54 | Jerub | and yet, there are missing combinations that are entirely logical. |
| 03:37.59 | Jerub | Like Agility + Defence |
| 03:38.10 | Amarande | c'mon, I have to have a meta gem recipe here that won't absolutely suck |
| 03:38.52 | Amarande | 42ap+minor run speed increase. dammit. is that the ONLY one that's any good out of what I have :| |
| 03:39.13 | Amarande | well, also 42ap+stun duration reduced, which would be awesome, but the requirements suck (2 yellow + 1 blue *OW*) |
| 03:39.36 | Jerub | Amarande: no it doesn't. |
| 03:39.45 | Jerub | stun duration reduced is a pvp gem. yellow is resilienc.e |
| 03:39.50 | Jerub | -> win |
| 03:40.31 | Amarande | 42ap+minor run might not be so bad |
| 03:40.52 | Amarande | allows you to get a real dps enchant on the boots rather than having to waste the slot on a runspeed enchant for mobility fights |
| 03:41.12 | Jerub | there are no mobility fights. run speed increase is also a pvp gem |
| 03:41.29 | WobWork | ps, buy a metagem recipe that fits |
| 03:41.42 | Amarande | Jerub: EJ, at least, value mobility to the point that they say "raidleaders everywhere would be demanding my head if I told you to forgo a runspeed enchant" :) |
| 03:41.53 | WobWork | not in a metagem though |
| 03:41.57 | Amarande | (when recommending Cat's Swiftness over enchants that give better DPS) |
| 03:42.05 | WobWork | and you won't be raiding in that gear |
| 03:42.16 | Jerub | Amarande: screw EJ. |
| 03:42.26 | Amarande | hmm, let's compare this to the recommended gem |
| 03:43.00 | Amarande | 21AGI and 3% Increased Critical Damage. |
| 03:43.00 | WobWork | which is pretty decent |
| 03:43.00 | Amarande | one thing that does occur to me, on the other hand |
| 03:43.07 | Amarande | is that 42ap+run does not require a blue gem at all, while Relentless Earthsiege does |
| 03:43.14 | Amarande | it seems that blue gems are the suck for DPS DK, sooo ... |
| 03:43.32 | Jerub | +10 all stats |
| 03:43.40 | Amarande | blue gems virtually force you to use a nightmare tear, yeah |
| 03:44.13 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:44.27 | Amarande | that works out to 30AP + 10 stam for a DK, I believe, with the Int and Spi being useless |
| 03:44.42 | Amarande | (speaking of which, is Cata going to be dropping Spirit from the Nightmare Tear like from other across-the-board bonuses?) |
| 03:45.30 | Amarande | it's debatable if 30AP + 10 stam is better than the 40AP you can get from that same slot if you don't need to use a blue |
| 03:45.43 | Amarande | now let's see ... 21AGI = 21 AP on a DK, as I recall |
| 03:45.53 | Amarande | how much AP does 3% increased critical work out to ... that is the crux of things |
| 03:46.15 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: you are missing the entire point, the 3% crit damage increase is the only thing that matters |
| 03:46.21 | Amarande | it would seem that it would have to be worth at least 31 AP to be worth it over the 42ap gem |
| 03:46.42 | Arrowmaster | that metagem could have no AP on it and people would still use it |
| 03:47.41 | Amarande | also, it's 1 each color which means the Tear ALONE satisfies it and you can bold everything else |
| 03:47.55 | Amarande | but that's ... arrrgghh more math. |
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| 03:48.20 | Amarande | you know, I'm looking forward to cata itemization very much :) |
| 03:48.32 | Amarande | maybe we won't have to have the math mind of a nuclear physicist to figure out gear choices heh |
| 03:49.15 | Amarande | then again, even WoWers don't seem to be as OCD over the math as ... http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Catch_rate |
| 03:50.32 | Amarande | (which really does look almost like a nuclear physics article at a glance LOL) |
| 03:52.58 | Arrowmaster | if you were to write out the math in some of the spreadsheets it would probably look like that |
| 03:53.32 | Arrowmaster | actually thats rather simple |
| 03:53.38 | Arrowmaster | well to me |
| 03:55.49 | Amarande | anyway, the point is |
| 03:55.58 | Amarande | it seems like everyone uses either chaotic skyflare or relentless earthsiege now |
| 03:56.03 | Amarande | except tanks |
| 03:56.04 | Amarande | and pvpers |
| 03:56.13 | Amarande | and almost none of the other metas see play :S |
| 03:56.32 | Amarande | I do have some much better PvE looking gems in my JC's list, but they're for tanks |
| 04:02.15 | Amarande | man |
| 04:02.18 | Amarande | I just got owned in trade chat |
| 04:02.21 | Amarande | someone linked the ground gear to me |
| 04:02.24 | Amarande | THE GROUND GEAR! |
| 04:03.53 | Amarande | anyway |
| 04:03.59 | Amarande | I'm really wishing I had that damaged necklace now :| |
| 04:06.09 | Amarande | wanted to finish out JC today, but it seems I'd better get that relentless earthsiege |
| 04:06.14 | Amarande | and I'm *two* tokens off from it |
| 04:07.05 | Jerub | fail. |
| 04:09.42 | Amarande | I'm still trying to figure out how a relatively small looking damage bonus that only works on crits is such a biggie, though |
| 04:10.58 | Amarande | compared to, for instance, the metas that provide more straight AP |
| 04:11.27 | Amarande | I mean ... let's put it this way, my crit rating is usually only good to crit once every five to seven hits |
| 04:11.54 | Amarande | +3% every five to seven hits vs. spellpower/AP bonuses that work on every cast/attack ... |
| 04:13.06 | Amarande | how did people ever choose gear back in the days of classic |
| 04:13.21 | Amarande | where things not only weren't nicely itemized, but there wasn't EJ around to tell us that this or that is better than such and so |
| 04:13.49 | WobWork | there wasn't as broad a choice back then |
| 04:15.26 | Amarande | and once again, though, I'm thinking ... what's the point of most of these meta gems? |
| 04:15.34 | Amarande | it seems like most of them were designed just to suck, if EJ is any indication |
| 04:16.35 | Amarande | seems that tanks would always use austere or eternal, depending on whether they needed the def rating ... dps all use relentless or chaotic ... not sure off the top of my head what healers use but I'm sure there's 1-2 cookie cutters there too |
| 04:16.38 | Amarande | and what are the other ones good for? :) |
| 04:16.54 | Arrowmaster | i was the best geared warlock on my server before classic naxx and i never even got anything from aq40, it wasnt really hard to know what the best items were |
| 04:17.13 | Amarande | now the differences also seem much smaller |
| 04:17.25 | Amarande | and yet the reaction difference for using second or third best tends to be much more |
| 04:17.27 | Amarande | how'd that happen? |
| 04:18.05 | WobWork | mostly due to the fact that if there is no difference in effort in getting the top ranked |
| 04:18.05 | Jerub | Amarande: blizzard learned how to itemize properly? and stopped throwing random stats on things? |
| 04:18.08 | Amarande | and hell, I suspect even chaotic skyflare is on the wane |
| 04:18.10 | WobWork | as opposed to the second or third |
| 04:18.14 | WobWork | -why- get second or third? |
| 04:18.19 | Jerub | for fucks sake, in sunken temple there's a blue ring with +def and +spirit |
| 04:18.19 | Amarande | the main thing I think is fatal for chaotic skyflare being pretty simple |
| 04:18.22 | Jerub | What The Fuck. |
| 04:18.47 | Amarande | it requires *two* blue, and now that JC gems aren't prismatic anymore, relentless is probably almost always better now |
| 04:19.07 | WobWork | I still remember the shield with +shadow resist. |
| 04:19.08 | Amarande | because there seems to be a general rule on blue |
| 04:19.14 | Amarande | being ... If you are not a tank, BLUE SUCKS |
| 04:19.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah part of the reason i got to be the best geared warlock on the server pre classic naxx was because i always passed on the items i didnt want even if they were minor upgrades |
| 04:19.58 | Amarande | oh good grief, and I can't even cut my own relentless even if I get the pattern |
| 04:20.04 | Amarande | there's no earthsiege diamonds on AH |
| 04:20.18 | Amarande | (and hey, you were the guys who suggested "make a meta for 450" :look) |
| 04:20.50 | Amarande | also, how did everything get to be based around big crits rather than sustained overall damage rate? |
| 04:21.07 | Amarande | i.e., the superiority of 3% crit damage vs. 21 extra AP and getting away without a blue |
| 04:21.39 | Arrowmaster | 21 AP doesnt add that much more per hit |
| 04:22.03 | Thrae | Amarande: Since fights like BQL |
| 04:22.36 | Arrowmaster | crits are big so 3% more can be a lot, plus crit keeps going up and up as gear gets better so that 3% becomes better unlike the static damage from 21AP |
| 04:22.48 | Arrowmaster | BQL? |
| 04:23.03 | Amarande | now chaotic vs. relentless seems like it's a pretty small difference, otoh |
| 04:23.06 | Thrae | There is DPS and DPSE, the latter being Effective DPS. What your effective DPS can be while being interrupted and annoyed in any fight situation where substainable damage across the fight is impossible. |
| 04:23.19 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Blood-Queen Lath'eral |
| 04:23.22 | Amarande | I'm actually tempted to settle for Chaotic |
| 04:23.41 | Amarande | mainly because Skyflare Diamonds are available for me to cut for that last super important skill point |
| 04:23.41 | Thrae | End-game boss fights made to be especially short with extremely high DPSE. |
| 04:23.45 | Amarande | while Earthsieges are not |
| 04:24.00 | Amarande | You mean Lana'thel, or am I thinking of someone else entirely :) |
| 04:24.06 | Arrowmaster | we were going for the 3% crit stuff back in TBC, hell some casters were using the melee one before they added the caster one |
| 04:24.12 | Thrae | Amarande: Probably. I just call her BQL. |
| 04:25.26 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Casters it's a little different until Cataclysm comes around, because all casters have access to some form of DoT in their rotation. Depending on the type of caster, this can be signifigant. |
| 04:25.40 | Thrae | And for most casters, DoTs don't crit. |
| 04:26.03 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:26.18 | Amarande | you can't get earthsiege from tokens, can you |
| 04:26.21 | Amarande | only alchemists :| |
| 04:26.40 | Arrowmaster | was affliction warlock until BWL then went destro pure nuke like all other warlocks |
| 04:26.43 | Thrae | From what I can tell, Rogues and Warriors deal most of their damage based on upright physical damage. Feral Druids already have a skill which make their important DoTs crittable. |
| 04:27.12 | Amarande | And DKs? |
| 04:27.24 | Arrowmaster | DKs are a dot class..... |
| 04:27.26 | |Jelly| | GG T9? |
| 04:27.46 | Amarande | Jelly: is that the tank T9 or the DPS T9 that has the "dots crit" feature? I forget now |
| 04:27.53 | |Jelly| | dps |
| 04:28.06 | Arrowmaster | |Jelly|: long time no see |
| 04:28.18 | |Jelly| | :) |
| 04:28.19 | Thrae | DKs depend on Unholy vs Blood vs Frost for how their DPS rotation works. |
| 04:28.34 | Thrae | DKs are currently the only class with "every tree does everything" |
| 04:28.39 | Amarande | ah, I guess they wouldn't have given me that blue socket if I wasn't meant to use relentless and a nightmare tear. |
| 04:28.46 | |Jelly| | I figure that every time I post on the forums, I ruffle someone's feathers so I'd drop in here. lol |
| 04:29.26 | Thrae | Although right now I like Blood DKs for burst DPS and Unholy DKs for Substainable DPS / Raid Buffs |
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| 04:29.34 | Thrae | And Frost DKs for Tanking |
| 04:29.45 | Thrae | In Cataclysm this will change yadda yadda yadda |
| 04:29.50 | |Jelly| | I luff mah frost dw dk. |
| 04:30.47 | Thrae | I don't see a lot of Dual-Wielding Frost DKs in end-game raids, nor does the Frost tree seem to be the best DPS tree out of the three. |
| 04:30.53 | Amarande | anyway, now that I have CWF on the DK, time to ship her money all off to the bankalt except the 100g maintenance wallet :) |
| 04:31.19 | Amarande | Thrae: I think that has a lot to do with Shadowmourne |
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| 04:31.24 | Amarande | Frost MUST dual wield to be effective |
| 04:31.39 | Thrae | You could probably make it work, but the other trees seem to be easier, more raid-friendly with their buffs, and overall less selfish |
| 04:31.40 | Amarande | so a lot of DPS DKs shy away from it because they want a spec they can still use with SM rather than have to relearn |
| 04:32.12 | Amarande | Thrae: um, the cookie cutter frost build gives 20% melee haste to the whole raid within range |
| 04:32.20 | Amarande | (which is going to be all the melee, since you're melee and melee get bunched together) |
| 04:32.24 | Amarande | IIT |
| 04:32.40 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember what we have in the way of party buffs *besides* IIT and horn of winter, anyways :S |
| 04:32.51 | |Jelly| | And I own face on the DPS too so yeah. :P |
| 04:32.57 | Jerub | hey, what's a good way of actually remembering to refresh commanding shout/etc. |
| 04:33.07 | Jerub | i'm thinking of setting up something like power auras to warn me |
| 04:33.08 | |Jelly| | Ebon Plaguebringer is a good one :P |
| 04:33.10 | Amarande | hm, for yellow sockets, don't bother matching unless it's strength, right? |
| 04:33.12 | Thrae | Amarande: Yeah. Overall the Frost Tree has a lot of "selfish" talents that will most likely move over to Blood in Cata, which will free up lots of room. It's also harder to get two high-level weapons for a DK. |
| 04:33.39 | Amarande | Yeah, are there even any notable 1H besides Quel'Delar that aren't totally tank weapons? |
| 04:33.48 | Amarande | and quel you're never gonna get it :P |
| 04:33.59 | Thrae | Amarande: That's also true for Warriors, but they are more forgiving with their specializations |
| 04:34.16 | Amarande | nobody ever gets Quel without sinking gold that should go to a 264 if it's being spent on gear |
| 04:34.38 | Amarande | because it drops so rarely, and 80% of the time instead of going to the person who could use a good 251 weapon, it goes to someone who rolled need on it for the 8-10k gold |
| 04:35.37 | Thrae | Amarande: As for the melee haste, I don't think it stacks with Bloodlust/Heroism while its up (you just get 30%), and in both 10 and 25 you can have trouble actually getting enough melee to get a true benefit from the buff. It's not useless, it's very useful, it's just something to consider with the probable decreased DPSE of a Frost DK along with gearing problems |
| 04:36.14 | Amarande | Bah. Just gonna buy the Relentless off AH and pick up an uncut Skyflare to get 450 |
| 04:36.19 | Amarande | 449 is no place to be leaving a JC at :P |
| 04:36.42 | WobWork | pft |
| 04:36.50 | WobWork | I suggested you cut a meta to get to 450 |
| 04:37.03 | Amarande | Wob: yeah, the whole previous conversation spawned of hoping I could cut a meta I could actually use |
| 04:37.05 | WobWork | I never said you could only cut the one specific for your DK |
| 04:37.17 | WobWork | Cut one that's marginally useful, even if not to you, and sell it |
| 04:37.32 | WobWork | at cost, even |
| 04:37.34 | Thrae | The problem I've found with Melee Haste vs Spell Haste is that all Melee work on a "tick" system instead of a huge pool they can just drop into at any time. One of the things Cata seems to be doing is reducing that seemingly endless mana pool for casters while trying to help out Melee, especially Warriors and DKs. |
| 04:37.38 | WobWork | so you at least don't lose out on that |
| 04:37.40 | Amarande | These cuts are yellow, I hope this actually gives me the point. :) |
| 04:38.00 | Thrae | "tick system"? Better to say something like a "Bipolar System". |
| 04:38.00 | Amarande | Thrae: wow, I thought it was the opposite |
| 04:38.02 | WobWork | You don't have any orange atm, do you? |
| 04:38.08 | Thrae | Yes, Melee is Bipolar |
| 04:38.14 | Amarande | I mean ... let's put it this way |
| 04:38.28 | Amarande | Rage and Runic Power are both things that can be generated sustainably over time by some builds |
| 04:38.46 | Amarande | there is NO caster build that will not eventually run out of mana over a long enough time. if this happens, it gets ner...rebalanced. |
| 04:39.22 | Amarande | Energy's kinda the sucky sheep, unless there's something rogues get later that I don't know yet, rogues seem to run out of energy very quickly and need to rely on autoattacks a *lot* |
| 04:39.50 | Arrowmaster | they have a talent that lets offhand attacks generate energy |
| 04:39.58 | Arrowmaster | my friend broke the game with it |
| 04:40.03 | |Jelly| | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/ek7mz7ml6w0qna9w/sum/damageDone/?s=4366&e=4615 Top guild on my server, Festergut 25H. DW Frost in fourth, over the Unholy who is in 6th. Both stand there like champs. |
| 04:40.20 | Thrae | Amarande: Rogues, like Feral Druids, have a way to regain a bunch of Energy. And they can also make Thistle Tea still, right? |
| 04:40.23 | Shirik | Thunder_Child |
| 04:40.27 | Amarande | 450! |
| 04:40.31 | Shirik | CS5's merge to HDR has a "remove ghosts" feature |
| 04:40.35 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.36 | Shirik | it is quite impressive |
| 04:40.42 | Amarande | Thrae: yeah, but thistle tea has a fairly longish CD to be considered as part of a sustained battle |
| 04:40.48 | WobWork | Shirik: does it cross the streams? |
| 04:40.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:41.11 | WobWork | Adrenaline Rush |
| 04:41.24 | Thrae | Amarande: I thought we were doing a comparison on sudden haste gains for melee vs casters. |
| 04:41.53 | Arrowmaster | before they nerfed the hell out of haste in TBC he used that talent and was stacking as much haste as possible with the dragonspine trophy, he was generating so much energy on hydros that he didnt know what to do with it, unfortunately generating energy was very high threat |
| 04:42.53 | Amarande | and it turns out that while I was one short to buy a meta cut ... I do have FOUR tokens ... which gets me an epic cut ... which means now I can cut my own bold cardinal rubies! |
| 04:43.01 | Amarande | now I'm released from the gold obligation for red gemming for the DK :) |
| 04:43.16 | Amarande | just jump into some BGs, pick up my 10k honor, pick up the gem and cut it. :) |
| 04:43.24 | Amarande | how many BGs does 10k honor take now that they've changed the system? |
| 04:43.31 | Jerub | Amarande: heaps |
| 04:43.42 | Jerub | Amarande: do wg with quests if you can. |
| 04:44.45 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: If that true that sounds like an oversight. Power gains have never generated threat AFAIK. Maybe it was just the insanely high peak DPS due to increased haste? A Rogue is especially in danger of gaining threat as they attack especially fast twice in a row and crit often. |
| 04:45.18 | Arrowmaster | power gains always gained threat up until a point in TBC i think they decided to fix it |
| 04:45.30 | Amarande | Thrae: there's also DKs and enh shamans |
| 04:45.39 | Thrae | I'm a good ICC Tank, but Rogues can still pull off me if they get lucky. |
| 04:45.50 | Amarande | both of which not only put out massive DPS, but also as far as I see have no threat drop apart from "taking a dirt nap" |
| 04:45.51 | Arrowmaster | remember the days that paladins gained threat for blessing of wisdom on other players |
| 04:46.26 | WobWork | oh yeah, I remember when enh shaman were threat capped =( |
| 04:46.44 | WobWork | shamans can at least ankh =) |
| 04:46.55 | Thrae | Amarande: Remember that even the tank's own auto-attacks are part of their TPS rotation. The Rogue attacks fast enough it can cause weirdness in the server logic. |
| 04:48.10 | Thrae | Amarande: It just means they have more chances to get lucky. The DPS may be the same, but they're doing DPMS ;) |
| 04:48.38 | Thrae | (or DPHS if we're using seconds and minutes) |
| 04:49.47 | Thrae | Once *all* DoTs start critting in Cataclysm, unless they do some work on how the server interprets events (here's hoping!), we're going to see more weirdness |
| 04:51.49 | NightHawkTheSane | beating a pally on dreamwalker healing == win! |
| 04:51.55 | Thrae | I can't remember how threat worked in EQ since I never got very high in that game. Did EQ start off with a "Taunt" system? |
| 04:54.01 | Thrae | Taunt System -- Has threat table where you can just switch your threat with the highest person's if they don't match, hence giving the tank a way to ensure they have the highest threat if taken away." |
| 04:55.04 | Amarande | gah, I keep seeing more and more numbers instead of a definite |
| 04:55.10 | Amarande | how much hit rating does a frost DW DK need? |
| 04:55.22 | Thrae | Simple Threat Tables -- Tank's attacks generate more threat then anything else, but can lose it if someone gets stupid. Sometimes watered down so that never happens. |
| 04:55.36 | Thrae | Amarande: Wowwiki has that answer, lemme get you the page |
| 04:56.08 | Shirik | any photoshop gurus around? anyone know how to switch color profiles? |
| 04:56.21 | Thrae | Amarande: http://www.wowwiki.com/Hit_rating#Special_attack_hit_cap_.28soft.29 |
| 04:57.38 | Thrae | Amarande: If you don't want to look, ~164 at Level 80 for Frost DKs Dual-Wielding and 3/3 Nerves of Cold Steel |
| 04:58.19 | Amarande | yeah, I was trying to figure out if we need spell hit cap too |
| 04:59.04 | Thrae | Amarande: Spell Hit? No. Expertise for tanking. |
| 04:59.19 | Amarande | For frost DPS, since we use Icy Touch and Howling Blast a lot |
| 05:00.50 | Thrae | Amarande: You might worry about spell hit for a Frost DK. That's why it's a talent in the Unholy tree. |
| 05:01.02 | Thrae | s/might/do not/ |
| 05:01.09 | Amarande | So still 164. |
| 05:01.15 | DWSR | You don't need to worry about spell hit as a Frost DK. <- fix't. |
| 05:01.28 | Thrae | DWSR: I already fixed it using the power of purl |
| 05:01.40 | Thrae | But I thank you for being my personal purl, DWSR |
| 05:02.05 | DWSR | bah. |
| 05:02.08 | DWSR | DNS server fail. |
| 05:02.14 | DWSR | Anyone know what the IP addr for OpenDNS is? |
| 05:02.28 | DWSR | Nevermind, it's working nowl |
| 05:02.33 | Thrae | DWSR: It probably has several, lemme check... |
| 05:02.37 | DWSR | It has at least 2. |
| 05:02.57 | Arrowmaster | 208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220 |
| 05:03.18 | Thrae | Kinda bad when you can't even resolve the DNS of your own DNS server! |
| 05:03.34 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 05:03.35 | DWSR | Ver |
| 05:03.37 | DWSR | Very* |
| 05:03.58 | DWSR | I just swapped my router to using OpenDNS over my ISP's servers. |
| 05:04.01 | Arrowmaster | opendns pisses me off, they keep changing the ip of they bogus nx |
| 05:04.07 | Thrae | DWSR: Does your router include a DNS forwarding service? You can cache those IPs in case OpenDNS *does* fail and you need to go to their site to see why. |
| 05:04.37 | Thrae | DWSR: For a forwading service, like BIND, you enter in the IPs manually and it tries those first for that particular DNS. |
| 05:05.01 | Thrae | You can also do that on your main system too using the hosts file, except that's usually a direct mapping. |
| 05:05.22 | Thrae | Or you could just save it in a text file and open said text file when needed. |
| 05:05.29 | Thrae | Or bookmark it by IP! |
| 05:05.40 | Thrae | There are all kinds of fun solutions to a problem I generated for you. |
| 05:06.13 | Thrae | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Hit_axe_to_tree.png <-- this is a fun picture for "Hit Rating" |
| 05:07.21 | DWSR | Thrae: WoW doesn't really work well with "bookmark it by IP" |
| 05:08.28 | Thrae | DWSR: Your server resolves to one IP that probably won't change. Same with the login/authentication server. You can have them on-hand in case your DNS explodes. If you want. |
| 05:09.10 | Thrae | hosts and hosts_dnsexploded |
| 05:09.33 | Amarande | well, these few upgrades at least put me over into the gear I can queue for heroics with |
| 05:09.42 | Amarande | I did heroics on the warlock with worse, soo ... let's see. :) |
| 05:10.08 | Amarande | why do I keep wanting to think the hit cap is 264 and not 164 |
| 05:10.32 | Thrae | Amarande: That's the auto-attack hit cap for one-handed or two-handed weapons |
| 05:10.48 | Thrae | Amarande: For dual-wielding it's 886 :D |
| 05:11.31 | Thrae | So for Dual-Wielding more hit doesn't hurt unless another stat really suffers |
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| 05:26.16 | Thrae | Is the RealID API out yet? |
| 05:30.15 | Amarande | ahh, that makes a nice thing about dual wielding then |
| 05:30.27 | Amarande | since you can't hit the hard hit cap, you can't end up being noobed out for having otherwise nice gear with too much |
| 05:34.20 | Amarande | Hmm, to bother with epic gems on blues, or only blue gems since I'll probably replace blues fairly quickly ... |
| 05:35.01 | Thrae | Hopefully the RealID API won't be confabulious. |
| 05:38.40 | Amarande | also, to buy T9 you have to trade your triumphs for conqs? |
| 05:39.06 | Amarande | ah, misread the wiki. :) |
| 05:39.11 | Amarande | dammit, they should name this stuff more clearly |
| 05:39.20 | Amarande | "of Conquest" is bought with badges "of Triumph" :facedesk |
| 05:41.58 | Jerub | Amarande: no, that's only the lowest level of triumph gear |
| 05:42.11 | Jerub | ;) |
| 05:42.22 | Jerub | "of Triumph" is the stuff you buy with triumph+trophies |
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| 05:45.40 | zenzio | "Firefox's co-founder Blake Ross is skeptical about the future of Firefox. He says that 'the Mozilla Organization has gradually reverted back to its old ways of being too timid, passive, and consensus-driven to release breakthrough products quickly.'" |
| 05:46.06 | Dagmar | You haven't seen anything yet |
| 05:46.41 | Jerub | zenzio: win |
| 05:47.16 | Jerub | well, this is the same browser that hasn't managed to fix fundamental things like the proxy selection interface and still has stupid bugs |
| 05:47.20 | Adys | fantastic. |
| 05:47.27 | Jerub | (yay, he's gone) |
| 05:48.21 | Dagmar | In Cataclysm they're going to introduce Emblem of Glory, Emblem of Domination, Emblem of Masterfulness, Emblem of Excitedness, Emblem of Pique, and Emblem of Mild Amusement. |
| 05:48.27 | Adys | the mobile auction house test isnt live in EU |
| 05:48.54 | Dagmar | Adys: Any word on what *limits* theyr'e setting on that? |
| 05:49.07 | Adys | Shrug |
| 05:49.23 | zenzio | only one I'm aware of is you can't use it while logged into the game, if I recall correctly |
| 05:49.24 | Dagmar | 'cuz I got a feeling that if they thought goldfarmers were bad before, they ain't seen nothin yet |
| 05:49.50 | Dagmar | They're gonna fuck the economy up |
| 05:49.58 | Adys | Dagmar: i have somewhat of a feeling this would make goldfarmers easy to catch |
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| 05:50.55 | Dagmar | Enless the end result is to start banning the hell out of gold *buyers* after they've found the goldfarmers that's going to be a bit like finding an arsonist by keeping your house soaked in kerosene. |
| 05:51.00 | Jerub | how soon do we get realid? |
| 05:51.14 | Jerub | Dagmar: they don't ban gold buyers? |
| 05:51.21 | Adys | 3.3.5 Jerub |
| 05:51.25 | Thrae | Jerub: Whenever 3.3.5 goes live |
| 05:51.25 | Jerub | Adys: ty |
| 05:51.42 | Thrae | So where do we go for PTR diffs these days? |
| 05:51.43 | Dagmar | Jerub: Obviously not as often as would be needed to shut that shadow economy down |
| 05:51.51 | Dagmar | ...otehrwise we'd be hearing many, many stories |
| 05:52.15 | Jerub | http://db.mmo-champion.com/latest |
| 05:52.17 | Jerub | ?? |
| 05:52.19 | Thrae | And are you actually talking about RealID like its going to massively help hackers? |
| 05:52.30 | Adys | Jerub: yes? |
| 05:52.33 | Dagmar | Not RealID. Internet access to the Auction House. |
| 05:52.38 | Thrae | Ohhh |
| 05:52.44 | Dagmar | RealID is fine. Facebook will be the only fuckup to that. |
| 05:52.49 | Thrae | I scrolled up and I couldn't figure out what you were talking about, Dagmar. |
| 05:53.06 | Dagmar | I fully expect Facebook's regular rate of FAIL to take over and wind up giving spearfishers a great big list of targets within the first month. |
| 05:53.17 | Dagmar | Either by accident, or because they BOUGHT the information from Facebook. |
| 05:53.30 | Jerub | Thrae: you'd have to scroll several months back to when Dagmar asserted that the auction house data inferface will crash the economy due to bots. |
| 05:53.34 | Dagmar | ...because FB has a serious f**king problem with showing sense in that respect. |
| 05:53.39 | Thrae | Jerub: I meant a diff of FrameXML. |
| 05:53.43 | zenzio | well, I for one have no intention of using the Facebook or RealID features |
| 05:53.45 | Jerub | Thrae: oh, right. |
| 05:53.48 | zenzio | but then I'm not really very social |
| 05:54.04 | Jerub | goes back to writing his on-wire facebook decoder. |
| 05:54.13 | Dagmar | I'm changing my FB email to a tagged address so that I can see when that happens. |
| 05:54.35 | Thrae | zenzio: I play WoW with some of my family and RL friends. RealID is cool for me. |
| 05:54.45 | Dagmar | Reading through their new privacy interface already shows some prettty screwed up things |
| 05:54.57 | Thrae | I also have some online friends who already know my email address, which is the only thing you can get from RealID. |
| 05:55.35 | Dagmar | Like, if you don't go and explicitly turn it OFF, when you visit one of the sites of people who've paid them a lot of money, not only does FB hand over your email address to them, but the email address of your friends, and your friends friends if they don't have those turned off |
| 05:56.39 | Dagmar | Since this also includes *activity* information, I can think of no better POSSIBLE way to find a whole slew of people who use Facebook regularly for targeted spamming. DOn't even have to worry about dead accounts |
| 05:56.55 | zenzio | "MCV cites a report by tracking firm Newzoo that says a full third of today's computer gamers do not pay anything to play, instead relying on free online games and playable demos for their gaming fix." - guess publishers already caught wind of this since they're being more sceptical of game demos |
| 05:57.37 | Jerub | two websites i show to people re: fb |
| 05:57.43 | Jerub | reclaimprivacy.org |
| 05:57.45 | Dagmar | "They're playing our demos for *free*? Fuck that, they need to be paying us!" <-- EA |
| 05:57.46 | Jerub | youropenbook.org |
| 05:57.51 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: if i turn that off does it still get sent if a friend doesnt? |
| 05:57.56 | Thrae | Dagmar: I haven't seen an increase in spam since my family *forced* me to make a FB account (which I don't regularly use), and this is a "private" email address. |
| 05:58.05 | zenzio | Jerub: there's also a SaveFace |
| 05:58.11 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Seriously, you should look through the Account->Privacy Settings. |
| 05:58.16 | Arrowmaster | i do |
| 05:58.26 | Dagmar | There's at least four full f**king pages of s**t to turn off now |
| 05:58.27 | Arrowmaster | still makes no sense to me |
| 05:58.35 | Dagmar | You can read a lot between those lines. |
| 05:58.56 | Jerub | 5 |
| 05:59.03 | Jerub | 5 pages you have to turn shit off on. |
| 05:59.14 | Arrowmaster | ive also got facebook.com^$third-party and fbcdn.net^$domain=~facebook.com in adblock plus |
| 05:59.15 | Dagmar | Someone put a link on Memestreams a few days ago to a web article that gave a shortlist of what you really, really need to turn off, and now it's gone |
| 05:59.26 | Jerub | reclaimprivacy.org |
| 05:59.32 | Jerub | has a js scanner that will just tell you |
| 05:59.33 | Dagmar | I'm gonna hassle Decius and find out why he deleted it |
| 05:59.37 | Jerub | 6. 6 now |
| 06:00.07 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I don't think blocking the ad is going to prevent Facebook from handing over data |
| 06:00.11 | Jerub | Instant Personalisation, Personal Information, Contact Information, friends/tags/connections, blocking friends from sharing you, nasty applications. |
| 06:00.21 | Dagmar | That some of those options involved foaf info blows me away |
| 06:00.31 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: it blocks all scripts |
| 06:00.36 | Dagmar | With some of the facebook whores out there, one visit could mean a few *hundred* contacts |
| 06:00.52 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: so facebook has no clue that i just visited another site |
| 06:01.55 | Arrowmaster | the entire facebookconnect thing and all the post to facebook buttons that are done by embedding a script already let facebook track your browsing |
| 06:02.56 | Jerub | if you haven't used the Scan for Privacy bookmarklet yet, run don't walk, to reclaimprivacy.org |
| 06:03.13 | Arrowmaster | i used it but two of the things never finished |
| 06:03.20 | Arrowmaster | used it a few days ago |
| 06:04.46 | Adys | you know |
| 06:04.54 | Adys | Im starting to think this neutral AH thing isnt bad after all |
| 06:04.56 | Adys | er |
| 06:04.58 | Adys | this web AH* |
| 06:05.15 | Adys | maybe more people will use the neutral AH, and prices will be sensible down there again |
| 06:05.27 | Jerub | Adys: hehehe, neutral AH. |
| 06:05.50 | Jerub | Adys: i wonder if the only reason that still exists is because it used to exist and people would QQ moar if it were taken away. |
| 06:06.04 | Adys | oh nah |
| 06:06.09 | Dagmar | People would be unable to obtain cross-faction items |
| 06:06.11 | Adys | the tourney pets were neutral |
| 06:06.28 | Adys | i think in cataclysm they'll make real use of it |
| 06:06.28 | zenzio | personally I think they should just merge all the AHs |
| 06:06.52 | zenzio | make them all Steamwheedle or whatever you need for it to work with lore |
| 06:07.02 | Jerub | zenzio: there's a few subtle problems with that. |
| 06:07.17 | Jerub | on my realm someone put the Alliance [Battered Hilt] up on the horde AH. |
| 06:07.44 | zenzio | such problems could be worked out; and already should have for the very reason you said |
| 06:07.44 | Jerub | only hint that it was a different item for a different quest chain that horde players were locked out from was the "Usable by: ..." tooltip |
| 06:07.44 | Arrowmaster | there are different ones? |
| 06:08.08 | Adys | yeah se |
| 06:08.09 | Adys | see |
| 06:08.13 | Jerub | zenzio: the point is, that an audit of all the equipment available to both factions would have to be done and the items unified. |
| 06:08.15 | Adys | this, specifically, is retarded |
| 06:08.33 | Adys | they have copies of every quests because they are handed in to a different npc |
| 06:08.41 | Adys | and you know why? |
| 06:08.50 | Jerub | (the battered hilt quest chain is also fucked for the built in quest database, it shows you to do pickups/handins at the alliance locations when doing the horde quest chain) |
| 06:08.53 | Adys | because you CAN have a quest hand in to a non-friendly npc |
| 06:09.15 | Adys | so the game is not able to pick up on an automatic difference |
| 06:09.20 | Adys | and they're too lazy to fix thar |
| 06:09.21 | Adys | sigh |
| 06:09.25 | zenzio | Jerub: I disagree they'd have to be unified; I believe they could transmit the required faction etc. |
| 06:09.43 | Jerub | zenzio: i don't trust blizzard to do the right thing with old data, ever. |
| 06:09.54 | Adys | actually Jerub |
| 06:09.59 | Adys | this is data already in the game |
| 06:13.54 | Dagmar | That means someone could actually expend a mind-blowing amount of resources to get the shiny sword of the other faction |
| 06:15.13 | zenzio | given that the server knows your faction, they could even just weed out the faction-specific stuff from the results |
| 06:16.21 | Jerub | Dagmar: actually the only way to do it is to actually do a faction swap |
| 06:17.26 | Dagmar | After doing heroics for so long, doing these things in normal mode again is extra freaky |
| 06:17.34 | Dagmar | The bosses die in what feels like an eyeblink |
| 06:17.48 | Dagmar | ...and I'm like "Wait... I was supposed to dodge a lot of somethings, wasn't I? |
| 06:19.15 | Dagmar | I'm watching someone do Occulus right now in normal and it's just scary |
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| 06:20.04 | Dagmar | They overfunneled, their drake died and they dropped to the platform with the box, took a couple of hits, boss dies |
| 06:20.13 | Dagmar | ...and I'm thinking "That might be a wipe" |
| 06:25.27 | zenzio | I'm being slow... overfunneled? |
| 06:25.39 | Dagmar | Yeah the green drake that can funnel their health to someone else |
| 06:25.43 | Dagmar | OMG |
| 06:25.45 | Dagmar | Jerub: http://booksthatmakeyoudumb.virgil.gr/ |
| 06:26.05 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.40 | Dagmar | Using Facebook data, he has charted correlation between what books people read versus how smart they are |
| 06:27.17 | Dagmar | ROFL! "Update: I changed Lolita from 'Erotica' and 'Pride and Prejudice' from 'Chick Lit' to Classics. You literature majors all lack any sense of humor." |
| 06:31.38 | Jerub | Dagmar: that's AWESOME |
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| 06:39.19 | WobWork | Dagmar: the musicthatmakesyoudumb is exactly how I guessed =P |
| 06:40.19 | zenzio | "Let me guess: cosmic ray. Is it really that hard? What else causes a single bit-flip error in space?" - "When you have a probe billions of miles from Earth, with no hope of ever physically retrieving it, and something weird happens, I don't think the first thing you do is start making assumptions." |
| 06:41.44 | Mileadus | there isn't a way to test an addon without loading WoW is there? |
| 06:42.09 | zenzio | depends what you mean by test; but mostly, nope |
| 06:42.24 | Adys | Mileadus: test the wow api itself not really |
| 06:43.05 | Mileadus | i understand bits and piece of some lines of code...but when its put together i'm lost |
| 06:43.25 | zenzio | "To be fair, Voyager doesn't have many bits in its memory :). Tracking down a bad bit is much easier when you have 4k of RAM than when you have 4GB of RAM." - "One could argue it's about a million times easier" |
| 06:44.31 | Dagmar | I'd like to know why it's gaining speed |
| 06:47.28 | zenzio | "Finally, we found a use for ECC RAM!" - I may be off here, but was ECC in RAM even available 33 years ago? |
| 06:47.45 | Corrodias | what are you reading/watching, zenzelezz? |
| 06:47.48 | Corrodias | /quoting |
| 06:47.54 | zenzio | http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/05/18/2352239/NASA-Finds-Cause-of-Voyager-2-Glitch?art_pos=1 |
| 06:52.05 | Dagmar | zenzio: It wasn't. |
| 06:52.43 | Dagmar | 33 years ago we were still using little metal doughnuts in a lot of places |
| 06:56.06 | WobWork | http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2010/05/06 |
| 06:56.21 | Arrowmaster | "And yet, some 33 years later, Voyager 2 is still chugging on, after visiting ALL of the outer planets, still going waaayayyyyyyy past its original design limits, still providing meaningful information on its way out roughly towards the star Sirius. It's now twice as far away from the Sun as Pluto is." |
| 06:56.27 | Arrowmaster | hmm lets see |
| 06:56.42 | Arrowmaster | pluto |
| 06:56.44 | Arrowmaster | Aphelion 7,375,927,931 km |
| 06:56.45 | Arrowmaster | 49.305 032 87 AU |
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| 06:57.00 | Arrowmaster | eris |
| 06:57.11 | Arrowmaster | Aphelion 97.56 AU |
| 06:57.11 | Arrowmaster | 14.60 Ã 109 km |
| 06:57.14 | Dagmar | WobWork: hahAHahhaa |
| 06:57.43 | Arrowmaster | why say 'twice as far away from the sun as pluto' when you can just say 'past eris' |
| 06:58.13 | Adys | because a lot of people have nfc where eris is |
| 06:58.31 | Arrowmaster | how can you not know where Eris is? ITS BIGGER THAN PLUTO! |
| 06:58.52 | Adys | Don't hate on the pluto, man. |
| 06:58.54 | zenzio | Adys: duh, Eris is a 'droid based phone |
| 06:59.09 | Dementati | zenzio: Bigger than Pluto. Not buying. |
| 06:59.15 | zenzio | lol |
| 06:59.19 | Dagmar | Hell there's a lot of people who don't even know Eris *exists* |
| 06:59.31 | Adys | Pluto is actually the biggest celestial object in this galaxy |
| 06:59.34 | Dementati | Dagmar: Is that the new planet? |
| 06:59.36 | Adys | everyone is lying |
| 06:59.38 | kd3 | wtfs at the remote auction house |
| 06:59.42 | WobWork | hail eris? |
| 06:59.43 | Dementati | *new* |
| 06:59.44 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: well it was only discovered in 2005 |
| 07:00.05 | kd3 | wait, wait... they're actually letting people buy/sell stuff from the AH online? |
| 07:00.15 | Adys | course |
| 07:00.16 | Arrowmaster | Dementati: dwarf planet, you can blame it for Pluto no longer being a planet |
| 07:00.17 | Dagmar | WobWork: The um, link below it about the password freakout? Wow that dude needs valium |
| 07:00.17 | Adys | they said that |
| 07:00.28 | zenzio | "Voyager 2's gyroscopes and its computer were operational during its Titan/Centaur launch phase, monitoring the sequence of events, in order for those systems to take over the space probe's attitude control and other functions upon separation from the Centaur upper stage. But at that point, the unexpected happened: Voyager 2's computer experienced robotic "vertigo". In its confusion, it helplessly switched to backup sensors, presuming its "senses" to be |
| 07:00.28 | zenzio | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.31 | Dementati | Arrowmaster: Like so. |
| 07:00.31 | zenzio | aww, poor guy |
| 07:00.38 | Dagmar | kd3: I don't think it's live yet |
| 07:00.45 | Dagmar | So... enjoy the economy while it's still there |
| 07:00.47 | Adys | it is |
| 07:00.48 | Adys | well |
| 07:00.49 | Adys | its beta |
| 07:00.52 | Adys | on a bunch of realms |
| 07:01.24 | Dagmar | link? |
| 07:01.28 | WobWork | Dagmar: you should know by now, that any video regarding real world WoW players will be ridiculously overdrama'd =) |
| 07:01.29 | Adys | mmo-champion.com |
| 07:01.30 | Adys | :P |
| 07:01.48 | Dagmar | WobWork: Dunno.. I've seen some people react before |
| 07:02.09 | Arrowmaster | robotic "vertigo", is that kinda like the hilarious bug the F22 Raptor fly by wire system had while it was still in development that was luckily discovered in a simulator instead of a real aircraft? |
| 07:02.31 | Dagmar | Found the link |
| 07:02.38 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: you mean the one that made it impossible to deploy it to the southern hemisphere? tee hee :) |
| 07:02.42 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 07:02.43 | Jerub | or was it the dateline one. |
| 07:02.50 | Arrowmaster | southern hemisphere |
| 07:03.02 | Arrowmaster | the dateline one was in real aircraft |
| 07:03.02 | Jerub | many many many american autopilots didn't work in the southern hemisphere |
| 07:03.06 | kd3 | wait, wait. you mean stuff happens on the other side of the equator? |
| 07:03.10 | Jerub | and when they did, had weird bugs |
| 07:03.12 | kd3 | never new |
| 07:03.17 | Dagmar | Bleh. "You have encountered an error." at http://www.wowarmory.com/auctionhouse/index.xml |
| 07:03.35 | Adys | steals a letter from the KGB and hands it to KD3 |
| 07:03.52 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: the fly by wire system thinking the plane is upside down and deciding to flip over is a bit more than a 'weird bug' |
| 07:04.12 | Jerub | i have a friend who contracted to australian defence and had to replace american avionics with australian made ones that were bug compatible. he uh... is an angry old man now. |
| 07:04.12 | zenzio | it would sort of suck :-p |
| 07:05.22 | Jerub | they had to be exactly as inaccurate (precisely as inaccurate, in literal truth) and have the same absurdly long delays on doing simple interactions with them. |
| 07:05.33 | Jerub | so they literally had to put sleeps in their code when dealing with input. :/ |
| 07:05.59 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: and you keep telling us that aircraft systems are bug proof because of all the checking that gets done! |
| 07:06.33 | Adys | Shirik keeps telling us python sucks too :p |
| 07:06.40 | zenzio | Jerub: I hope "sleep" was something like NOOPs, not sleep()... |
| 07:07.07 | Jerub | zenzio: knowing the kind of gear it was running on, it was probably more like for(i=100000;i;i--); |
| 07:07.10 | zenzio | (unless their sleep was more accurate than the general version) |
| 07:08.03 | zenzio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_2#Launch_difficulties - the poor bugger apparently didn't have an easy start |
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| 07:10.41 | Adys | kd3: good morning |
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| 07:28.14 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: cool |
| 07:28.24 | Thunder_Child | i shall have to play with that at some point |
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| 07:29.16 | WobWork | oh man Shadowed, mmo-champ really steamrolled EA =P |
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| 07:37.21 | Thrae | Old news -- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/12/google_de_facto_internet_gateway/, it's an old article about how a lot of Facebook users got very confused when "facebook+login" on Google didn't go to the Facebook login page, instead going to a news story with those keywords. |
| 07:37.26 | industrial | I'm looking for a program that can mount SSH/SFTP as a windows drive. Right now I use ExpanDrive for Windows. |
| 07:37.43 | Thrae | industrial: NetDrive? |
| 07:37.55 | industrial | However what it does (and most of it's kind) is get the file when you request it, keep a local copy to which you make changes and save it back when you save the file. |
| 07:38.00 | WobWork | Shadowed: btw, the favicon for EA isn't existant |
| 07:38.04 | Thrae | And that would be SCP, not SSH |
| 07:38.24 | industrial | What I'm looking for is a program that makes a copy of all files mounted (so i mount under a certain dir) and syncs between local and remote itself |
| 07:38.28 | industrial | yes, scp |
| 07:39.05 | industrial | if I have all my files local then I can actually let an IDE do its work and get context sensitive completion etc without it being totally assraeping slow. |
| 07:39.27 | Thrae | industrial: You can make a batch script do that with command-line ssl/ssh programs. Just set it up to run every 15 minutes or whatever. |
| 07:39.58 | industrial | well I do need the file to be remote when I'm saving cause its a website thats running on a dev server (so I can't deve locally..) |
| 07:40.08 | industrial | s/deve/dev/ |
| 07:40.26 | Thrae | industrial: Right, so the script would check for changes locally and remotely and sync based on timestamps. |
| 07:40.52 | Thrae | I think rsync itself has a Windows port |
| 07:40.55 | krka | industrial: looks like you want a version control system :P |
| 07:41.27 | industrial | its already in a version control system. it just uses a legacy db from the 70's that I can't reproduce locally nor connect to remotely |
| 07:41.34 | Thrae | krka: That would be better |
| 07:41.51 | industrial | so I still want ctrl-s, f5 :P |
| 07:42.14 | Thrae | industrial: Why not mirror it on a real svn/git and use scripts to sync your website with it? |
| 07:42.19 | industrial | either that or I'm going to build vim in my homedir and just do everything in a screen session :> |
| 07:42.22 | haste | industrial: give me a sec, I know of one :P |
| 07:42.42 | Thrae | I still have kergoth's cool vim setup |
| 07:43.13 | industrial | I have m ine! :D |
| 07:43.13 | industrial | http://github.com/Industrial/linux-configfiles |
| 07:43.19 | Thrae | If your vim is so cool why are you looking for alternatives? :D |
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| 07:44.03 | industrial | because I really do want :Explore to work the way I want (always stay open, keep being focues with cursor when opening a file, etc) |
| 07:44.19 | industrial | focused* |
| 07:45.06 | haste | kergoth needs to come back to IRC |
| 07:45.13 | industrial | y |
| 07:45.48 | haste | industrial: also, expandrive is what I was thinking of |
| 07:46.01 | haste | industrial: it was named sftpdriver earlier, so thought it was something different |
| 07:46.09 | industrial | k |
| 07:46.14 | Thrae | industrial: OK, so NetDrive does SFTP, use that |
| 07:46.35 | Thrae | NetDrive turns a FTP, SFTP, or WebDav connection into a Windows drive |
| 07:46.42 | Thrae | And it's freeee |
| 07:48.03 | Thrae | industrial: There's also Dokan, http://dokan-dev.net/en/ |
| 07:48.04 | industrial | I'm going to look into creating a sync script tonight =) |
| 07:48.24 | Thrae | robocopy is the coolz if you don't know PowerShell |
| 07:49.24 | Thrae | haste: I can't get kergoth's cool vim setup anymore =/ His sites are all unavailable. |
| 07:49.32 | haste | Thrae: it's on github now, sec |
| 07:49.37 | Thrae | Specifically, his gvim setup |
| 07:49.57 | haste | Thrae: http://github.com/kergoth/homefiles |
| 07:50.24 | Thrae | haste: Google gave it to me faster, thanks |
| 07:50.34 | Thrae | But then I tried to login to Facebook and I was confused |
| 07:52.33 | WobWork | hm, logged in version of wowarmory is fuxed |
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| 08:01.34 | Shadowed | I love people who post in comments asking for help |
| 08:01.38 | Shadowed | then 3 minutes later PM me asking me to look at it |
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| 08:02.12 | Shadowed | WobWork: Eh not really, EA would have been mostly fine if the queue # code hadn't been killing the server. And as it has no logo, it has no favicon |
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| 08:03.08 | zenzio | it seemed to me (some time ago) that EA checked the queue number every other second? |
| 08:03.25 | haste | posts a commen on SUF, sends Shadowed a PM about it and creates a forum thread. |
| 08:03.29 | Shadowed | It did, but the issue was that the query took too long to run |
| 08:03.30 | haste | logs on to ask on IRC |
| 08:03.37 | Shadowed | and when you have 50000 people all waiting in the queue |
| 08:03.48 | zenzio | Shadowed: ah, it ran the query for each request? |
| 08:03.51 | Shadowed | yea |
| 08:04.22 | WobWork | ugh |
| 08:04.22 | zenzio | guess you could get away with caching the result for a few seconds |
| 08:04.25 | WobWork | yeah =) |
| 08:04.27 | Shadowed | eh |
| 08:04.28 | Shadowed | not really |
| 08:04.38 | WobWork | nah, save it in a session |
| 08:04.39 | Shadowed | caching wouldn't help it, it just needs more efficient queue code |
| 08:04.41 | WobWork | the user session |
| 08:04.45 | haste | why does it need instant updating then the queue numbers are above 50 |
| 08:04.47 | WobWork | and then just randomly decrease it |
| 08:04.59 | WobWork | have it all client side js =) |
| 08:05.38 | WobWork | and name the variables stuff like "YouDontReallyNeedToKnowYourQueuePositionJustTakeItAsItllTakeAWhile" |
| 08:05.47 | Shadowed | haste I had about 30 minute warning before MMOC linked :p |
| 08:05.53 | Dagmar | Shadowed: It needs an admin who isn't afraid to say "You know what? We *probably* don't need to make a fucking SQL call for this." |
| 08:06.02 | haste | Shadowed: I'm not hating! |
| 08:06.03 | Shadowed | Dagmar shush |
| 08:06.08 | Shadowed | even if it wasn't instant, the number of people requesting just killed it |
| 08:06.14 | haste | Shadowed: I just say it isn't logical to update queues for that high numbers :P |
| 08:06.18 | Shadowed | yea |
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| 08:06.40 | haste | I would even go as low as >20 shouldn't get 'faster' auto-updates |
| 08:06.43 | Dagmar | Truth. |
| 08:06.46 | Shadowed | again |
| 08:06.48 | Dagmar | Tell them "It'll be awhile" and send them on their way |
| 08:06.50 | Shadowed | if you read what I said :p |
| 08:07.05 | Shadowed | when you have 30,000 people watching the queue |
| 08:07.14 | Shadowed | even updating once every 5 minutes or 20 still becomes an issue |
| 08:07.18 | Shadowed | when you have a query that takes a few seconds to execute |
| 08:07.19 | jnwhiteh | http://elitistarmory.com/EU/Emerald%20Dream/Derwydd |
| 08:07.26 | Shadowed | because you have an influx of visitors that increases your queue |
| 08:07.33 | Dagmar | Shadowed: That would be why you stop using SQL for that |
| 08:07.44 | Shadowed | I'm going to sleep before I call you stupid |
| 08:07.54 | Dagmar | YOu assign each asshole a number, and the process pulling from Armory updates that number and stores it in a text file |
| 08:08.10 | Dagmar | ...and you store *their* number in a cookie |
| 08:09.10 | Dagmar | er updates the number from the list of assholes |
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| 08:10.36 | Dagmar | ...and I'm not wrong about that, but the overwhelming factor is that most people probably won't look again until the next say so how long a queue there is isn't going to matter |
| 08:11.52 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.08 | industrial | This account does not have any characters who are eligible to use the Auction House. |
| 08:14.12 | industrial | ??? |
| 08:14.22 | Dashkal | Only some servers right now |
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| 08:14.54 | Dagmar | "This realm is not currently included in the Remote Auction House beta test." |
| 08:15.08 | Dagmar | I am disappoint. |
| 08:15.28 | Dagmar | OO! |
| 08:16.13 | Dagmar | Web Access to Auction House: "Now account pillagers won't even log into the game to empty the guild bank." |
| 08:16.21 | Arrowmaster | so looking over the classes that can be taken for general education credit at my college and its got 3 astronomy classes, i look them up in the schedule and they are all online classes during the summer term, so i checked and this past term only one of the 3 had a non online class |
| 08:16.37 | industrial | we herd you like to make money so we made an app to our app in our game so you can make money while you make money |
| 08:16.41 | Arrowmaster | seriously who the fuck wants to take astronomy as an online class |
| 08:17.05 | haste | 2/3's of the interested people Arrowmaster ! |
| 08:17.30 | Arrowmaster | haste: wrong |
| 08:17.54 | Arrowmaster | damn college is shoving online classes at people and nobody ive talked to likes any of them |
| 08:18.07 | haste | then none of your friends care about astronomy! |
| 08:18.15 | haste | or they are among the 1/3 |
| 08:18.28 | haste | _or_ they hate online classes |
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| 08:18.47 | Arrowmaster | not talking about astronomy, talking about all classes in general, nobody likes the online classes |
| 08:19.08 | haste | yeh, online classes are meh |
| 08:19.18 | Arrowmaster | yet the majority of the summer classes are online |
| 08:19.23 | haste | even though everyone in this room is taking one! |
| 08:19.25 | haste | har har har har |
| 08:19.26 | Dagmar | I want to kill myself when they give you an "instructional video" format |
| 08:19.43 | Arrowmaster | good thing i should be completely done with this damn college at the end of spring term |
| 08:20.07 | industrial | I'm following computer science classes every lunch break |
| 08:20.15 | Dagmar | The narrator's voice is *invariably* carefully filtered and modulated into the perfect mechanism for inducing boredom in the listener. |
| 08:20.22 | industrial | the one from stanford atm :P |
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| 08:20.36 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i tried to take calc1 in one of those 'instructional video' format ones back in my junior year of highschool |
| 08:20.37 | Dagmar | I absolutely hate those. |
| 08:20.38 | industrial | on youtueb |
| 08:20.45 | Arrowmaster | it went very very badly |
| 08:21.07 | Arrowmaster | they had to have an academic meeting because of how badly it went |
| 08:21.18 | Dagmar | I can read faster than probably 99 out of 100 people... just gimme some damn text ballons and let me page through it in 10 minutes instead of listening to someone drone on for 45. |
| 08:21.51 | industrial | lol text balloons :D |
| 08:21.51 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I can believe it |
| 08:22.07 | industrial | wapanese powarrr! |
| 08:22.09 | industrial | :E |
| 08:22.09 | Dagmar | I've had words with my boss and a few other people at the office about those things when we come in contact with them |
| 08:22.13 | Arrowmaster | seriously i think math is probably one of the absolute worst classes to give in an instructional video format |
| 08:22.16 | Dagmar | The HR department loves them. |
| 08:22.44 | Arrowmaster | in a real math class you can ask for another example or ask about specific parts |
| 08:23.05 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: This will permanently brand me as a nerd, but... when I was in Jr. High and High School, my parents were very into TV and bought a 6" satellite dish |
| 08:23.27 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: So I pretty much spend whole summers watching college level science classes |
| 08:24.10 | Dagmar | Without a QA exchange, stuff *is* a lot harder to learn |
| 08:24.19 | Dezzimal | god forbid you get branded as a nerd in this of all places |
| 08:24.20 | Arrowmaster | were any of them that old dude with the crazy hair (i think?) |
| 08:24.43 | Dagmar | These were all Harvord and SFU and MIT classes |
| 08:24.48 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 08:25.38 | Dagmar | You don't really sort of notice crazy-haired professors at 12. |
| 08:25.50 | Dagmar | You've never seen a normal-haired professor. |
| 08:26.07 | Dagmar | ...and Back to the Future sets a pretty high bar for that. |
| 08:26.11 | Dagmar | heh |
| 08:26.20 | Arrowmaster | we watched these videos in physics class with this crazy old guy |
| 08:26.42 | Dagmar | Physists and chemists all seem to be a little bent |
| 08:27.29 | Fisker | omg i had sleep tiems |
| 08:27.29 | Arrowmaster | my high school physics teacher was a former nuclear physicist |
| 08:27.38 | Dagmar | There's a nifty video of some professor going what I feel to be a bit too far over someone using a laptop to take notes |
| 08:27.50 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: that was staged |
| 08:27.58 | Dagmar | I should hope so. |
| 08:28.33 | Dagmar | Someone doing that to my laptop would be told very firmly: "Blunt objects. Dawn. Be there, motherfucker." |
| 08:28.33 | industrial | Fisker: WORK HARDER LEMMING! |
| 08:29.15 | Dagmar | Lawsuits are for other people. |
| 08:30.37 | Dagmar | There were a *number* of lectures on laser stuff that it was clear the professor was actually doing stuff that they knew was pushing their luck |
| 08:31.10 | Fisker | no industrial |
| 08:31.31 | Dagmar | I remember a guy going "Sometimes, science is expensive" when a $4,000 element flamed out on him |
| 08:31.46 | Dagmar | 1980's money |
| 08:33.15 | Dagmar | I cooled off on surfing for lectures after seeing Ronnie's little "We'just launched nukes at Russia" joke tho |
| 08:33.47 | Dagmar | I about wet myself |
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| 08:36.04 | Dagmar | Oh ho! |
| 08:36.14 | Dagmar | I found wrongness in Wikipedia! |
| 08:36.26 | Dagmar | "Contrary to popular misconception, the joke was not broadcast over the air; instead it was leaked later to the general populace." |
| 08:36.35 | Dagmar | That's incorrect. I *saw* him do it. |
| 08:36.47 | Dagmar | They were broadcasting their soundcheck over satellite |
| 08:37.30 | Dagmar | He did the thing deadpan |
| 08:43.03 | Fisker | slaps Dagmar around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:43.48 | Dagmar | You're just upset your leaders never seem to have a warped sense of humor |
| 08:44.11 | Fisker | me? |
| 08:44.27 | Dagmar | No, clearly I was talking to topiary. |
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| 08:57.21 | Kaso | http://gem-session.com/2010/04/the-greatest-bug-i-never-fixed |
| 08:57.46 | Kaso | ive seen this bug far too many times |
| 08:57.55 | Kaso | esp funny when addons break down during brewfest |
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| 09:03.27 | Fisker | old Kaso |
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| 09:09.49 | Wobin | hehe I love Dirty Jobs |
| 09:09.53 | Wobin | so entertaining |
| 09:10.05 | Wobin | wheelbarrow of gelatinous deer flesh |
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| 09:15.55 | Corrodias | yes, that's one of my favorite eps |
| 09:15.58 | Corrodias | it's such a classic industry |
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| 09:17.02 | harl | ahoy |
| 09:17.13 | Corrodias | i've been kept up for a couple of hours by indigestion-related issues, so i'm eager to laugh and enjoy memories of whatever. |
| 09:24.57 | Wobin | "Fox News, You are the Lupus of News" |
| 09:25.26 | Wobin | <3 Jon Stewart |
| 09:29.28 | Spejnar | haha |
| 09:29.39 | Spejnar | I love daily show and coler(t) repor(t) ^^ |
| 09:29.44 | Spejnar | colber(t)* |
| 09:32.35 | Wobin | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1668 |
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| 09:35.06 | Wobin | woah http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/052010/after_24_years.jpg |
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| 09:36.19 | Fisker | slaps Marla` around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:37.10 | Marla` | :( |
| 09:37.16 | Marla` | Fisker, stop raping my internet |
| 09:37.19 | olafski | wobin: old but related http://130.89.168.156/misc/misc/max_level.jpg |
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| 09:37.50 | Wobin | olafski, yeah, some people age well =) |
| 09:37.57 | olafski | yes |
| 09:37.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | ugh |
| 09:38.00 | olafski | sean connery rocks :P |
| 09:38.29 | sylvanaar_atwork | where do you guys live? |
| 09:39.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | i need to move there - this time zone isnt working out for me |
| 09:39.09 | olafski | holland |
| 09:39.13 | olafski | gogo, we have 100mbit |
| 09:39.14 | Wobin | sydney |
| 09:39.18 | Wobin | gogo we don't =( |
| 09:39.25 | Wobin | But we have beaches =) |
| 09:39.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | and spiders |
| 09:39.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | at least thats what the discovery channel says |
| 09:40.11 | olafski | yes holland is clearly better |
| 09:40.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | actually id like to live in either place |
| 09:40.32 | olafski | where do you live now then? |
| 09:40.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | North Carolina - usa |
| 09:40.59 | Wobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_attacks_in_Australia |
| 09:41.10 | olafski | I don't think many people die from animals here :) |
| 09:41.14 | olafski | but the weather is probably better in australia |
| 09:41.24 | Wobin | It sure is =) |
| 09:41.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | wtb |
| 09:41.33 | Wobin | We don't have volcanos anywhere near us |
| 09:41.39 | olafski | hehe |
| 09:41.44 | Wobin | (except maybe New Zealand) |
| 09:41.53 | olafski | that bluebottle looks funky |
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| 09:43.01 | Wobin | >< |
| 09:43.07 | Wobin | my auth code was 51515151 |
| 09:43.13 | haste | quick ! |
| 09:43.13 | olafski | haxes wobin |
| 09:43.24 | olafski | you're 100 times as secure as I am wobin |
| 09:43.29 | olafski | my auth codes are only 6 digits |
| 09:43.50 | Wobin | mobile authenticator |
| 09:43.55 | olafski | yer |
| 09:45.30 | |mascondante| | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYws8biwOYc made me lol |
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| 10:04.45 | Spectre | is there event that fires when you open or close your bags? I can't seem to find one. |
| 10:07.26 | haste | Spectre: no, it wouldn't make much sense to have one either |
| 10:07.27 | olafski | BAG_OPEN, BAG_CLOSE? |
| 10:07.55 | olafski | eh, BAG_CLOSED |
| 10:08.01 | olafski | oh.. no longer in use =( |
| 10:08.26 | olafski | kRestack automatically stacks everything when I open my bags though =( |
| 10:08.31 | haste | just secure hook the functions |
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| 10:11.23 | zenzio | http://roflrazzi.com/2010/05/18/celebrity-pictures-justin-bieber-girls-yard/ |
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| 10:19.45 | zenzio | http://dailysquee.com/2010/05/18/cute-baby-animals-striped-kitten-flipped/ |
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| 10:23.16 | olafski | a picture of a cat with comments in english |
| 10:23.17 | olafski | I approve |
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| 10:31.14 | Fisker | gives zenzio free fu |
| 10:32.05 | zenzio | stores it for later use |
| 10:35.09 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 10:35.22 | zenzio | I just did |
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| 10:37.37 | Fisker | can't wait to bot the AH |
| 10:37.43 | Fisker | what about you zenzio? |
| 10:37.59 | Grum | when does the ICC buff go up another 5%? :) |
| 10:38.14 | Fisker | Can you make an android app for me that does that? |
| 10:39.36 | zenzio | nope, I've not done any Android coding |
| 10:39.57 | industrial | how does android work? what language/environment is presenting the interface? |
| 10:40.03 | zenzio | Java |
| 10:40.28 | zenzio | with custom libraries and runtime, but still Java |
| 10:40.37 | industrial | I don't have good experiences with java interfaces on phones |
| 10:40.44 | industrial | s/ on phones//\ |
| 10:40.52 | zenzio | I was sceptical too, but it works |
| 10:42.02 | industrial | |I was thinking it would be nice if the companies that make smartphones would hype making apps in plain HTML instead, so you can serve your app depending on the platform you are on, presto it works anywhere (you implement it) |
| 10:42.32 | zenzio | Palm tried something like that |
| 10:42.45 | zenzio | not sure about details, but their recent phones run WebOS |
| 10:42.49 | industrial | they only have to make it so browsers don't show the locationbar etc so you just have the whole screen to work with |
| 10:43.08 | industrial | right, I saw a port toi a netbook of that recently aswell, proving my point |
| 10:44.01 | industrial | hm |
| 10:44.20 | industrial | what about serving your app as a webservice |
| 10:45.07 | industrial | you can expand your existing service to serve pages differing in size depending on the hardware its being run on, but still use the same (already written) logic behind the scenes ... on phones, pads, computers, etctera |
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| 10:46.39 | foxlit | http://us.wowarmory.com/wow-remote.xml << meep! |
| 10:46.57 | Fisker | why does blizzard hate us? |
| 10:46.59 | Trela | Wow. |
| 10:47.29 | foxlit | Now, if I were blizzard, how would I secure that? |
| 10:47.37 | olafski | awesome |
| 10:47.38 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 10:47.40 | Fisker | bot away foxlit |
| 10:47.51 | Fisker | infact i already told zenzio to make an android app for me that does that |
| 10:47.53 | Fisker | you can help him |
| 10:48.04 | Fisker | pulls out the footheater beneath the stove |
| 10:48.24 | Trela | I need to make an auctioneer like add on for Firefox. :O |
| 10:48.25 | foxlit | On the bright side, now they can be contacted by economics researchers when their market does barrel rolls because of bot actions. |
| 10:48.51 | Fisker | well when that thing launches |
| 10:49.30 | Fisker | the amount of "OMG I PUT <X> up for 1G on Neutral AH to transfer to my friend and some idiot bought it instantly"-posts will probably increase |
| 10:51.01 | foxlit | "Two of the patents in question are a 'system and method for providing and displaying a Web page having an embedded menu' and a 'method and system for stacking toolbars in a computer display.'"" |
| 10:51.22 | Fisker | for what? |
| 10:51.41 | Kaso | think they'll capatca up the remote aucitonhouse? seems the way to go about it |
| 10:52.18 | foxlit | Kaso: nothing that can't be broken, surely. But I shudder at the thought of iPhone users having to type in a captcha for each transaction. |
| 10:52.23 | industrial | its cat and mouse either way |
| 10:53.04 | Trela | FFFFFFF |
| 10:53.10 | Trela | I can not use the armory any more! |
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| 10:54.48 | olafski | a captcha on that sounds horrible |
| 10:54.53 | foxlit | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw39702.jpg |
| 10:54.57 | Fisker | yeah olafski |
| 10:55.06 | Fisker | "You have chose to buyout <item>" |
| 10:55.08 | foxlit | The "barrel" option seems to be missing :/ |
| 10:55.11 | Fisker | PLEASE ENTER CAPTCHA LOL |
| 10:55.16 | Fisker | Auction not found |
| 10:55.20 | Fisker | ffffffuuuu- |
| 10:55.23 | industrial | haha |
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| 10:59.09 | foxlit | "If you do not have an iPhone or iPod touch, the http://www.wowarmory.com/auctionhouse/index.xml of the Remote Auction House is also in beta testing" |
| 10:59.40 | olafski | fisker: exactly :P |
| 10:59.44 | foxlit | Oh yes. That is going to lead to some delicious forum tears. |
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| 11:05.51 | Fisker | just launch it for eu already |
| 11:06.28 | Fisker | i really wish Blizzard would just fire the EU webteam (or rehire it to work on the US team) and then just consolidate it |
| 11:06.31 | foxlit | For more sweet auctioneer tears, link AH across realms in a battlegroup. |
| 11:07.46 | zenzio | that would be awesome, but I'm guessing it would be a strain on the servers, or at least hard to navigate in-game |
| 11:07.55 | zenzio | here's 14726 results for Mage Glyphs |
| 11:07.57 | foxlit | AH needs a better interface anyway |
| 11:08.02 | zenzio | indeed |
| 11:08.06 | foxlit | With people insisting on putting up 1-stacks of some items. |
| 11:08.36 | zenzio | it's fine for expensive items, but not copper ore and the like |
| 11:08.42 | merijn | I currently have a button with texture defined in XML, but I'm unsure how I can access that texture object from within lua. Anyone that can enlighten me? |
| 11:08.53 | jnwhiteh | !api button:gettexture |
| 11:08.53 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'button:gettexture'. |
| 11:08.57 | jnwhiteh | !api Button:GetTexture |
| 11:08.57 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Button:GetTexture'. |
| 11:08.59 | jnwhiteh | hrm. |
| 11:09.01 | jnwhiteh | that method exists.. |
| 11:09.04 | foxlit | But no. |
| 11:09.07 | zenzio | !api GetTexture |
| 11:09.07 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'GetTexture': CalendarEventGetTextures, Texture:GetTexture |
| 11:09.08 | jnwhiteh | err maybe its normal GetNormalTexture |
| 11:09.13 | jnwhiteh | !api GetNormalTexture |
| 11:09.13 | lua_bot | Button:GetNormalTexture: Returns the texture used for the button's normal state (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Button/GetNormalTexture) |
| 11:09.21 | jnwhiteh | <-- idiot. |
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| 11:11.56 | merijn | hmm, GetNormalTexture is returning nil, though |
| 11:12.10 | foxlit | merijn: post your XML somewhere |
| 11:12.45 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 11:12.49 | Fisker | where's my damn yoghurt? |
| 11:13.03 | Fisker | foxlit i'd actually want them to try that at a point |
| 11:14.01 | merijn | foxlit: I've got http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136626 which I'm then instantiating with "CreateFrame("Button", nil, Auras, BuffButtonTemplate)" but then I can't figure out how to update the texture |
| 11:14.45 | foxlit | merijn: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136627/5:10:13 |
| 11:15.28 | foxlit | Making the button anonymous while the textures have a name is a mistake, though |
| 11:15.52 | merijn | If I understood correct though, $parent just creates a new global variable with the parent buttons name prefixed. |
| 11:15.59 | foxlit | yes. |
| 11:16.08 | merijn | Which is kinda annoying if I have no sensible way of naming the parent button |
| 11:16.21 | foxlit | "MyModAuraButtonN" |
| 11:16.25 | zenzio | well, right now you're creating one or more instances of a texture with the global name "icon" |
| 11:16.26 | zenzio | etc |
| 11:16.44 | merijn | Yeah, but I'm reordering the buttons so ButtonN might not actually be in position N later |
| 11:17.19 | zenzio | create them like foxlit said and keep a separate table specifying order |
| 11:17.21 | foxlit | Nobody says ButtonN has to be at position N, though |
| 11:17.22 | zenzio | or something like that |
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| 11:18.24 | merijn | Yeah, I guess I'll do that. Sucks that you can't access the elements via something like "button.icon" :\ |
| 11:20.12 | merijn | Or just remove the XML specifcation again and just create the textures/fontstrings in lua directly that solves all my problems even easier, I think |
| 11:22.09 | zenzio | perhaps. Some people would recommend that anyway |
| 11:23.14 | merijn | If I do that I can just have everything anonymous in a table which I resort. If I keep the XML I have to add bunch of useless boilerplate to figure out names and icons belonging to them |
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| 11:24.14 | foxlit | lua CreateFrame-boilercode smells worse than XML :) |
| 11:27.36 | jnwhiteh | merijn: parentKey is your friend |
| 11:27.38 | jnwhiteh | no voodoo |
| 11:27.41 | jnwhiteh | it 'just works' |
| 11:27.59 | zenzio | parentKey? |
| 11:28.05 | jnwhiteh | allows you to trivially do button.icon |
| 11:28.11 | foxlit | ^ |
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| 11:28.35 | jnwhiteh | <Button name="foo"><Layers><Layer level="OVERLAY"><Texture parentKey="icon"/></Layer></Layers></Button> |
| 11:28.36 | zenzio | is that the name for the $parent... thing, or something I've missed? |
| 11:28.37 | jnwhiteh | foo.icon |
| 11:28.39 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 11:28.45 | jnwhiteh | it sets the key in the parent's table object |
| 11:28.51 | foxlit | I wonder when that happened. |
| 11:28.54 | zenzio | hm... never knew about that one |
| 11:28.58 | jnwhiteh | a while ago |
| 11:29.00 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh i agree |
| 11:29.12 | merijn | jnwhiteh: Thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for |
| 11:29.18 | zenzio | jnwhiteh: cheers, that is useful to know |
| 11:29.22 | jnwhiteh | yw |
| 11:30.13 | jnwhiteh | a function that has two potential signatures.. what do we call this in statically types languages |
| 11:30.27 | foxlit | overloading. |
| 11:30.32 | jnwhiteh | ah thanks. |
| 11:30.40 | jnwhiteh | was having a brain issue, unrelated to my previous tumour :P |
| 11:31.10 | zenzio | "hjerneteppe" |
| 11:31.12 | Fisker | :( |
| 11:31.17 | jnwhiteh | hrm, go doesn't support overloading =/ |
| 11:31.19 | Fisker | i agree again jnwhiteh |
| 11:41.01 | merijn | jnwhiteh: If I try to use parentKey it still doesn't work, though. Using this xml: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136628 and then calling http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136629 results in "attempt to index field 'icon' (a nil value). I've tried naming the created frame too, but that didn't seem to work either |
| 11:42.19 | zenzio | your template name doesn't match your template |
| 11:42.26 | zenzio | Buff vs Aura |
| 11:42.57 | merijn | Oh yeah, I still have 1 more inheriting in between, I'll remove that and try again |
| 11:44.04 | merijn | If I fix that to use the AuraButtonTemplate it still complains anyway |
| 11:45.06 | zenzio | looking at the documentation, try "AuraButtonTemplate" |
| 11:45.13 | zenzio | or "BuffButtonTemplate" |
| 11:45.16 | merijn | Actually |
| 11:45.23 | merijn | I suspect something else, let me try |
| 11:45.44 | zenzio | wowprogramming's CreateFrame reference says the template is a string, not an object |
| 11:46.04 | zenzio | unless I'm misreading |
| 11:46.18 | haste | it can be both afaik |
| 11:47.07 | zenzio | if so then I am misreading it. Thought that was what the "(string)" meant |
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| 11:48.03 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 11:48.05 | jnwhiteh | it can't be both |
| 11:48.08 | jnwhiteh | a template is not a global object |
| 11:48.15 | jnwhiteh | i.e. MonkeyAssholeTemplate is never set in th global environment |
| 11:48.17 | jnwhiteh | so it has to be a string |
| 11:51.43 | merijn | Yeah, it has to be a string. More importantly I think I've made a real dumbass mistake >.> |
| 11:52.34 | merijn | Since I started out stripping and hacking the blizzard code I forgot to change the template name, resulting in me inheriting from the wrong template which is why the field wasn't there |
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| 12:00.51 | jnwhiteh | can anyone tell me what this is doing in ruby |
| 12:00.52 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.33 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/spies.jpeg |
| 12:02.12 | Arrowmaster | umm the << is changing the cruft object i think to the string 'misc' |
| 12:03.14 | jnwhiteh | cruft is a list of strings |
| 12:03.25 | Arrowmaster | oh, adding another to it maybe |
| 12:03.27 | jnwhiteh | so maybe its just adding 'misc' to the list |
| 12:03.32 | jnwhiteh | that's the best I came up with |
| 12:03.38 | mikma | http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/introducing-the-remote-auction-house/ |
| 12:03.38 | mikma | meh |
| 12:04.06 | Arrowmaster | i get confused sometimes with languages that have mutable strings |
| 12:04.28 | Arrowmaster | and thats what i was thinking it was doing |
| 12:04.31 | airtonix | ~ping |
| 12:04.32 | purl | ~pong |
| 12:04.40 | Kalroth | ~ding |
| 12:04.41 | purl | dong |
| 12:04.47 | Dezzimal | anyone working on remote AH scripts yet >_> |
| 12:04.47 | airtonix | !ringalong |
| 12:04.57 | Arrowmaster | ~dong |
| 12:04.58 | purl | ding |
| 12:05.01 | jnwhiteh | trying to fix this homebrew formula sucks. |
| 12:05.04 | airtonix | ~ming |
| 12:05.05 | purl | airtonix, your mom is well minging |
| 12:05.09 | airtonix | :( |
| 12:05.17 | Dezzimal | I'm curious how you would log in using say a ruby script |
| 12:05.21 | airtonix | ming strikes again |
| 12:07.24 | mikma | jnwhiteh: homebrew formula 1 xD |
| 12:08.17 | airtonix | ~lolcat |
| 12:08.18 | purl | hmm... lolcat is awesome |
| 12:09.26 | airtonix | Dezzimal, same way you would authenticate against any https i assume |
| 12:13.39 | mikma | http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3574546/The_Pretender_Seasons_1-4___Tv_Movies.3574546.TPB.torrent <3 <3 |
| 12:14.25 | olafski | jnwhiteh: << adds to a list, if you weren't sure about that yet :) |
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| 12:30.59 | mikma | HAHAHAHA, oh man, this is so so cool: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1279525/Igor--Grichka-Bogdanoff-French-twins-unrecognisable-plastic-surgery.html |
| 12:33.37 | olafski | weird people |
| 12:37.54 | airtonix | shriek! |
| 12:37.58 | airtonix | Brazil! |
| 12:38.04 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.21 | airtonix | are they for real ? |
| 12:39.32 | olafski | quite |
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| 12:39.43 | airtonix | i ascared |
| 12:40.06 | Lopeppeppy | Me too. |
| 12:40.07 | |Jelly| | pounces on Peppy! |
| 12:40.15 | mikma | ouch |
| 12:40.21 | Lopeppeppy | I just found out that here at work we have a Committee of Committees. I run in fear. |
| 12:40.25 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Jelly. |
| 12:40.31 | airtonix | times are scary if the dino is scared. |
| 12:40.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yuh-huh! |
| 12:41.08 | Lopeppeppy | A committee... about committees? |
| 12:41.09 | airtonix | it was the worst of times ? |
| 12:41.14 | Lopeppeppy | Just stop having them, if it's that complicated!! |
| 12:42.23 | airtonix | sounds like the scene in monty python : the holy grail where the peasant is explaining his anacrho-syndicate commune to king arthur |
| 12:42.44 | airtonix | >< |
| 12:42.45 | Lopeppeppy | Just about. |
| 12:43.00 | airtonix | yes yes... |
| 12:43.05 | airtonix | lololol |
| 12:43.15 | airtonix | my favourite scene |
| 12:44.38 | Lopeppeppy | Help, I'm being repressed! |
| 12:45.00 | zenzio | this is a perfect example of the violence inherent in the system |
| 12:45.24 | airtonix | Bloody peasents! (from the guy who can't even appropriate a horse) |
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| 12:49.10 | foxlit | They broke BG group-swapping |
| 12:49.12 | foxlit | @#$#@! |
| 12:50.31 | Lopeppeppy | again? |
| 12:50.33 | Lopeppeppy | Still? |
| 12:50.50 | krka | now now, there's no need to spout perl |
| 12:51.02 | krka | although that _is_ a clever oneliner |
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| 12:56.06 | olafski | what does it do? |
| 12:57.03 | krka | should be obvious |
| 12:58.57 | Wobin | he even commented it for you |
| 13:02.56 | olafski | :( |
| 13:03.16 | olafski | what do you think I am, some kind of linux user? |
| 13:03.22 | olafski | I don't (want to) know perl :P |
| 13:05.08 | Fisker | why won't jnwhiteh hate me? |
| 13:07.25 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/19/mspot-stores-your-music-in-the-cloud-makes-it-available-anywher/ if anyone is interested btw |
| 13:14.30 | Fisker | This update to Windows Activation Technologies detects activation exploits and tampering to key Windows system files. These exploits try to bypass regular Windows activation and are sometimes included within counterfeit copies of Windows. <-gee wiz i think i'll install that, can't have those damn pirates fooling me, right? |
| 13:16.05 | olafski | hope they make that a mandatory update to receive future security updates somehow =) |
| 13:17.01 | Fisker | but why? |
| 13:17.12 | olafski | and that reminds me, gotta save my windows keys somewhere |
| 13:17.54 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 13:18.35 | olafski | I just did |
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| 13:35.37 | Kalroth | Fisker: new windows update? :p |
| 13:36.23 | Fisker | actually it's old |
| 13:36.30 | Fisker | according to them it was released in february |
| 13:36.39 | Fisker | no idea why it haven't shown up until now though |
| 13:39.20 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to have to buy a full install next time I need to install windows, since TKFT ran off with all the OS installation disks... |
| 13:42.11 | haste | Fisker: Microsoft usually rolls out stuff slowly across the world |
| 13:45.41 | Gintaro | damn you windows and your forced reboots! |
| 13:47.28 | Gintaro | meh, might as well do it now instead of when the timer hits and everything get killed |
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| 14:00.13 | DWSR | welp. |
| 14:00.15 | DWSR | They did it. |
| 14:00.22 | Lopeppeppy | They did. |
| 14:00.52 | DWSR | 200 transactions per day lawl. |
| 14:01.54 | DWSR | inb4 increased goldfarmer spam. |
| 14:02.09 | Lopeppeppy | AH limit, I take it? |
| 14:02.32 | DWSR | Remote AH limit. |
| 14:02.39 | DWSR | I think it's a fucking terrible idea. |
| 14:02.47 | Lopeppeppy | Remote = ... iphone? |
| 14:03.03 | Lopeppeppy | As a completely average player, I like it. |
| 14:03.36 | DWSR | iphone or web. |
| 14:04.00 | DWSR | Here's the problem: Before you had to have people log into the game in order to interface with the auction house. |
| 14:04.11 | DWSR | That means that you had to play in Blizzard's sandbox.\ |
| 14:04.17 | DWSR | Now you have a web interface. |
| 14:04.19 | DWSR | AH bots abound. |
| 14:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, and they are taking steps to limit those bots, why is that bad? |
| 14:04.43 | DWSR | Because it won't be enough. |
| 14:04.59 | ZorbaBeta | also, why is it a problem? |
| 14:05.00 | DWSR | It's assuming that people have 1 account. |
| 14:05.06 | Lopeppeppy | They have to start *somewhere*. |
| 14:05.14 | Lopeppeppy | Doing too much too soon would be just as bad. |
| 14:05.23 | ZorbaBeta | the bots can't invent money out of nothing. at worst, you get a more efficient auction house. |
| 14:05.34 | Xinhuan | did what? |
| 14:05.50 | ZorbaBeta | xinhuan, they announced the remote auction house feature |
| 14:05.53 | DWSR | ^ |
| 14:05.56 | ZorbaBeta | the doomsayers are already crawling out of the woodwork |
| 14:05.58 | Xinhuan | wasn't that a couple of months ago |
| 14:06.04 | ZorbaBeta | well, now it's in beta |
| 14:06.08 | DWSR | Xinhuan: No, they toyed with the idea. Now it's in beta. |
| 14:06.14 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 14:06.16 | ZorbaBeta | and they're talking about how it actually works, instead of "we want to do X" |
| 14:06.29 | Xinhuan | i see, is it in ptr or what? |
| 14:06.48 | ZorbaBeta | it's in beta on a dozen or so realms |
| 14:06.49 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: The potential for serious abuse is there. |
| 14:06.57 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, no it isn't :P |
| 14:07.02 | DWSR | lol, how not? |
| 14:07.05 | ZorbaBeta | you can't abuse the game by giving money to people for products |
| 14:07.11 | ZorbaBeta | you can't abuse the game by offering to sell things for cheap |
| 14:07.21 | ZorbaBeta | that's not how abuse works. |
| 14:07.33 | DWSR | No. |
| 14:07.42 | Xinhuan | i can see people writing viruses for jailbroken iphones with default root passwords :P |
| 14:07.42 | Wobin | the actual issue is that now, we will no longer be able to easily take advantage of other people's ignorance about the AH =P |
| 14:07.47 | ZorbaBeta | Yes. All this will lead to is a more efficient auction house. |
| 14:07.50 | Xinhuan | and then |
| 14:07.58 | Xinhuan | get the account details and stuff |
| 14:07.59 | DWSR | But you can now abuse it by buying up all of item X and then reselling it at 500% of what you bought it for. |
| 14:08.02 | ZorbaBeta | Lower prices for many items, more immediate sales for the rarer stuff. |
| 14:08.03 | DWSR | and you can do it remotely. |
| 14:08.05 | Xinhuan | and spend 100k on a cheap item |
| 14:08.18 | DWSR | Without lifting a finger. |
| 14:08.19 | DWSR | With a bot. |
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| 14:08.33 | Lopeppeppy | You can do all the things remotely you could do by logging in. It's only a beta. If you don't like it, send in feedback. |
| 14:08.34 | ZorbaBeta | Sure, you could pretty much do that before. People will farm more of it and post it at a higher price. |
| 14:08.52 | Xinhuan | i'm more concerned about the potential for more account hacks lol |
| 14:09.00 | Lopeppeppy | I hear ya there, Xinhuan. |
| 14:09.08 | Xinhuan | jailbroken phones - i'm willing to bet most people don't change their root passwords |
| 14:09.14 | Xinhuan | and anyone with wifi on can be cracked |
| 14:09.26 | Fisker | i disagree haste |
| 14:09.32 | DWSR | Shut up, Fisker. |
| 14:10.45 | DWSR | Anyone in here use MusicBrainz? |
| 14:10.49 | Fisker | i'm not saying anything DWSR |
| 14:10.53 | Fisker | on that note, shut up DWSR |
| 14:11.14 | ZorbaBeta | anyone wanna betatest my most recent game? |
| 14:11.17 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Sure, you could do that before. But before you had to play in Blizzard's little sandbox. Now you have a webpage, which is infinitely easier to scrape. |
| 14:11.42 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, I'm pretty sure that Blizzard's sandbox was just as easy to scrape as a webpage is. It gives you exactly the same data. |
| 14:11.43 | Xinhuan | probably be throtled |
| 14:11.44 | Fisker | what game ZorbaBeta ? |
| 14:11.50 | ZorbaBeta | fisker, it's called K0R |
| 14:12.06 | Xinhuan | you could already scrape the data in game with a full scan in 30 sec |
| 14:12.06 | ZorbaBeta | it's a vertical shooter/bejeweled semi-clone |
| 14:12.14 | Xinhuan | so if you have 15 accounts you can scrape once per minute |
| 14:12.18 | ZorbaBeta | I wanna see if it works on people's computers, partially, I'm doing a lot of high-end graphics magic |
| 14:12.23 | ZorbaBeta | (well moderate-end) |
| 14:12.38 | Fisker | platform |
| 14:12.41 | Fisker | + |
| 14:12.42 | Fisker | ++ |
| 14:12.43 | Fisker | + |
| 14:12.47 | Fisker | ? |
| 14:13.21 | ZorbaBeta | windows/osx/linux, though I'd have to take a few minutes to do an osx or linux build. |
| 14:13.28 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: I'll betatest. |
| 14:13.47 | ZorbaBeta | http://cams.pavlovian.net/games/K0R-0.1.exe (or .zip if you don't want an installer) |
| 14:14.37 | DWSR | wow. |
| 14:14.40 | DWSR | Slow webserver. |
| 14:14.52 | ZorbaBeta | it's my home DSL connection |
| 14:15.08 | ZorbaBeta | and uh maybe I should pause bittorrent too now that you mention it |
| 14:15.43 | Fisker | lol speed |
| 14:17.31 | zenzelezz | <ZorbaBeta> fisker, it's called K0R <-- I read this as K&R :-o |
| 14:17.47 | Fisker | "Sweet powerups" |
| 14:17.51 | Fisker | *dies* |
| 14:17.54 | DWSR | First thing I see: You called the program K0R. |
| 14:17.59 | DWSR | As in "K0R." |
| 14:18.10 | DWSR | plz2fix. |
| 14:18.18 | ZorbaBeta | well, actually, it's not K0R |
| 14:18.22 | ZorbaBeta | but the proper spelling requires Unicode |
| 14:18.29 | ZorbaBeta | that's the closest I can get. |
| 14:18.29 | DWSR | LULZ. |
| 14:18.30 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: K&R as in the authors of the c programming language book? |
| 14:18.31 | DWSR | Won't even start for me. |
| 14:18.38 | ZorbaBeta | do you get an error? |
| 14:18.44 | Fisker | KÃR |
| 14:18.46 | DWSR | Yes. I apparently just sent the dump back to you |
| 14:18.49 | ZorbaBeta | ah, you sent a crash report, thanks :) |
| 14:18.52 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: what other K&R is there? |
| 14:18.58 | ZorbaBeta | fisker, it's the cyrillic backwards R |
| 14:19.27 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: nothing comes to mind |
| 14:19.30 | ZorbaBeta | also, thanks :D I'll get that fixed in 0.2 |
| 14:19.31 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Nice beta you have here. :P |
| 14:19.40 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, that's why it's a beta, and not a release |
| 14:19.52 | DWSR | Betas are supposed to be useable. :P |
| 14:19.59 | DWSR | I'm just pulling your leg, anyway. |
| 14:20.03 | ZorbaBeta | it is, if you have a reasonably hefty graphics card ;) |
| 14:20.16 | Fisker | like mine |
| 14:20.17 | ZorbaBeta | yours is just being a bit anal about its texture sizes, I believe. |
| 14:21.08 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: It runs WoW. |
| 14:21.11 | DWSR | So /shrug. |
| 14:21.41 | ZorbaBeta | and WoW uses power-of-two textures so it runs on all hardware. I wasn't sure if that requirement was still common or not |
| 14:21.47 | ZorbaBeta | apparently it is. that's why I'm doing testing. :) |
| 14:22.54 | olafski | ooh looks funky zorbabeta |
| 14:23.09 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: I have another machine to try it on |
| 14:23.17 | ZorbaBeta | nah, don't bother |
| 14:23.19 | ZorbaBeta | wait for 0.2 |
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| 14:23.27 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: But this one might crash too! |
| 14:23.32 | DWSR | And then you get more useful error reprots! |
| 14:23.34 | DWSR | reports* |
| 14:23.42 | ZorbaBeta | it'll probably crash in the same way, in which case I just don't care :P |
| 14:23.54 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Meh, the other machine is XP with a 9800GTX+ in it. |
| 14:23.57 | DWSR | So maybe not |
| 14:24.34 | merijn | Anyone that can give me a little help? I'm using this template http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136631 but for some reason the "duration" fontstring ignores my anchors and just stays center on the button. |
| 14:24.42 | Fisker | baw ZorbaBeta |
| 14:24.46 | Fisker | only one level? |
| 14:24.57 | ZorbaBeta | fisker, yeah, sorry. did you get past the final boss? |
| 14:25.05 | Fisker | of course? |
| 14:25.17 | ZorbaBeta | well, it's possible that you didn't - if you die too often it cuts you off mdiway |
| 14:25.34 | Wobin | interesting |
| 14:25.41 | Fisker | i got the "you destroyed the mantis fortress" or something |
| 14:25.54 | Wobin | Magma Core |
| 14:25.58 | ZorbaBeta | ah yep |
| 14:26.02 | ZorbaBeta | wobin did not make it to the end, however ;) |
| 14:26.09 | Wobin | alas |
| 14:26.11 | Fisker | Wobin sux |
| 14:26.16 | Wobin | I got too confused with the keypresses |
| 14:26.20 | Wobin | on which swaps and which uses |
| 14:26.44 | Wobin | maybe not have said keys right next to one another =P |
| 14:26.47 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, not sure if there's a way I can improve that easily |
| 14:26.51 | Ackis | so Fisker guess what I did last night |
| 14:27.00 | Fisker | had sex with your mom? |
| 14:27.08 | Ackis | :P |
| 14:27.16 | Ackis | pulled a toenail out with a pair of pliers lol |
| 14:27.17 | Wobin | do I have to restart the program to start again? |
| 14:27.20 | olafski | I beat the game too |
| 14:27.22 | ZorbaBeta | wobin, hit escape |
| 14:27.23 | olafski | very nice work zorbabeta :) |
| 14:27.34 | ZorbaBeta | thanks :) |
| 14:27.38 | Fisker | that wasn't very smart |
| 14:27.43 | ZorbaBeta | still got some work to do on it, but the basic gameplay is done |
| 14:28.00 | olafski | I like the rez/geo wars graphics |
| 14:28.10 | Ackis | Fisker: it hurts only a little bit considering I pulled out a toenail, but I actually feel a lot of relief |
| 14:28.13 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, the graphics turned out well. that's what I was really focusing on this time |
| 14:28.33 | olafski | ackis: impressive.. I should try that |
| 14:28.51 | olafski | please don't post a picture of it on your facebook this time though |
| 14:29.15 | Ackis | olafski: I took a picture of the nail that was pulled out :D and of my toe lol |
| 14:31.05 | olafski | fu |
| 14:31.26 | Wobin | ZorbaBeta, yeah, I spent too much time accidentally activating the squares |
| 14:31.32 | Wobin | instead of successfully swapping them around |
| 14:31.33 | ZorbaBeta | ah, hmm |
| 14:31.47 | Wobin | It certainly looks good though |
| 14:31.54 | Wobin | maybe make space the activation |
| 14:34.34 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Can you whittle the grapple mobs down or do you have to successfully get a certain number of lines in 1 attempt? |
| 14:34.45 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, you can whittle 'em down. I need to add more graphics effects for that |
| 14:34.53 | DWSR | yes, I was confused by that. |
| 14:35.00 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, known issue |
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| 14:35.26 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, what did you do to the poor toe in the first place? |
| 14:35.35 | Lopeppeppy | And tell me you have it wrapped to stay clean and dry? |
| 14:36.05 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I caught the nail with my other foot and bent it (this is the small nail that's left on my big toes), so I was trying to fix it up, but I don't have proper scissors |
| 14:36.13 | Ackis | it's wrapped up in a sock and a shoe |
| 14:36.32 | Lopeppeppy | You should pad it a bit so that friction doesn't warp the new toe growing in, and cause even more issues. |
| 14:37.01 | Ackis | ah that's not a concern because most of the nail won't grow back, just this little piece on the side |
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| 14:37.40 | Lopeppeppy | oh well then, if you're already doomed. |
| 14:38.01 | ZorbaBeta | can someone who had it crash try http://cams.pavlovian.net/games/K0R-0.2.exe ? it will look awful, I just want to make sure it fixes the crash before I spend a lot of time refixing the rendering |
| 14:40.42 | Lopeppeppy | downloading... my interwebs are slow today. must be lazy ferrets |
| 14:40.48 | ZorbaBeta | no, that's my internets |
| 14:40.54 | ZorbaBeta | it's coming off my DSL :P |
| 14:41.06 | Lopeppeppy | Your ferrets are lazy today, dear. :) |
| 14:41.12 | ZorbaBeta | that said, if you didn't try it before, you'll probably have better luck with version 0.1 |
| 14:41.31 | ZorbaBeta | 0.2 has known graphics issues but might fix a crash, I just wanna make sure the crash doesn't occur with it before fixing the graphics issues :) |
| 14:42.56 | Wobin | 23" monitor... $240 |
| 14:43.21 | Lopeppeppy | Crashy. Report sending. |
| 14:43.44 | Wobin | if it helps, I have W7-64 with a 8800GTX |
| 14:43.46 | Wobin | no crashes |
| 14:43.51 | Wobin | but some lag issues at times |
| 14:43.57 | ZorbaBeta | argh I have no idea what could be causing that |
| 14:44.08 | Lopeppeppy | Does your crash report give you my system specs, or do you need them? |
| 14:44.09 | ZorbaBeta | hrm. well, thanks, time to figure out what the problem could be |
| 14:44.27 | ZorbaBeta | it doesn't, but most of it wouldn't help me. Graphics card model might though, what is it? |
| 14:44.39 | Lopeppeppy | Moment... |
| 14:45.39 | Lopeppeppy | ATI Radeon HD 2400 Pro |
| 14:45.48 | Lopeppeppy | Windows XP. |
| 14:46.09 | Wobin | also: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/men-in-black-are-the-white-knights-of-the-night-20100519-vfc5.html |
| 14:46.12 | Wobin | awesome =) |
| 14:46.19 | Wobin | NINJAS |
| 14:46.41 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, I wonder if it breaks on ATIs |
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| 14:48.16 | haste | ZorbaBeta: awkward playing shooters with keyboard! |
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| 14:48.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | they added the mobile auction house to the iphone app |
| 14:48.25 | haste | also I miss focus >:3 |
| 14:48.30 | Wobin | haste, keyboard turner! |
| 14:48.41 | haste | Wobin: I usually play with my PS-pad :P |
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| 14:51.13 | ZorbaBeta | dammit, my IRC box plays this game fine |
| 14:51.25 | ZorbaBeta | and so does vmware |
| 14:51.33 | ZorbaBeta | why do you people have terrible computers >:( |
| 14:51.53 | haste | and so does wine! |
| 14:52.16 | Ackis | hmm I have a bunch of pics on photobucket and a bunch of flickr or w/e it's called, anyone know of an app or something that will sync them? |
| 14:53.40 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: My XP machine plays it fine. |
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| 14:53.47 | DWSR | Might it have something to do with DX11? |
| 14:54.11 | zenzelezz | ~weather encn |
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| 14:54.42 | ZorbaBeta | I doubt it, they wouldn't *remove* capabilities |
| 14:55.04 | Wobin | Ackis, why would you want to synch them? |
| 14:55.05 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Backwards compatibility isn't always compatible. |
| 14:55.06 | ZorbaBeta | anyway, lope doesn't have dx11 :P |
| 14:56.31 | Ackis | Wobin: I like photobucket better but apparently flickstr is cooler, so I have pics on both that are different, would like to maintain consistency. |
| 14:57.18 | Wobin | Just stick to flickr imo =P |
| 14:57.19 | Wobin | Or DA |
| 14:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | Zorba, this is an office computer, it's in no way "good". :) |
| 14:57.49 | Wobin | photobucket was originally designed as a imagedump for single photos |
| 14:57.56 | Lopeppeppy | I can't always update programs like DX on my own, etc. |
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| 14:58.09 | DWSR | hrm. |
| 14:58.10 | Lopeppeppy | Acks, baby, choose one. |
| 14:58.24 | DWSR | Bryntroll or Ramaladni's Blade of Culling for blood tanking? |
| 14:58.28 | Ackis | I don't like choosing! :'( |
| 14:58.30 | Lopeppeppy | flickr doesn't allow for right click downloads by default, IIRC, which makes many people prefer it. |
| 14:58.42 | Ackis | photobucket makes it easier to categorize stuffz |
| 14:58.47 | Wobin | really? |
| 14:59.06 | Wobin | flickr's sets and stuff seem pretty decent for me |
| 14:59.24 | ZorbaBeta | lope, willing to help me do some debugging? I need someone who'll run a few test programs in a row |
| 14:59.29 | jnwhiteh | I'm using Picasa currently |
| 14:59.33 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 14:59.36 | DWSR | Google is the master of all. |
| 14:59.36 | jnwhiteh | because the extra data is so inexpensive |
| 14:59.41 | jnwhiteh | and its part of a cloud I already use |
| 14:59.49 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 14:59.54 | jnwhiteh | 20GB extra google storage is so much cheaper than Flickr subscription |
| 14:59.59 | Wobin | I haven't seen what picasa has done in a while |
| 15:00.09 | Wobin | not since it came out |
| 15:01.03 | Wobin | I don't use Picasa itself, because I prefer Lightroom |
| 15:01.26 | Lopeppeppy | I can within reason, Zorba, I'm at work. May take me a while to get to each step. Feel free to PM. |
| 15:01.58 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: I've heard of that as well |
| 15:02.22 | jnwhiteh | you don't need to use the application |
| 15:02.27 | jnwhiteh | to use the online web portion =)_ |
| 15:04.45 | Ackis | if anyone is interested in a DSi, buddy of mine is selling one on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220608251804&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT |
| 15:04.56 | Fisker | how does one 20GB extra google storage? |
| 15:05.22 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: only issue is if I open up an account there, then I'll have 3 online photo hosting sites.. actually 4 if you count tinypic |
| 15:05.31 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: https://www.google.com/accounts/ManageStorage |
| 15:05.48 | Wobin | Ackis, so, consolidate |
| 15:05.55 | Ackis | 0 GB (0%) in use |
| 15:05.58 | Wobin | you'll probably want to consolidate, anyway |
| 15:06.01 | Ackis | I has google storage apparently |
| 15:06.04 | Fisker | i guess that's including stuff like gmail and so on? |
| 15:06.08 | Wobin | it's shared across gmail |
| 15:06.14 | Ackis | Wobin: I'm trying to figure out the easiest way to do that :) |
| 15:06.28 | Wobin | do you have all the images on your HDD? |
| 15:06.29 | DWSR | Ackis: Picasa has plugins for Flickr and Photobucket. |
| 15:06.31 | DWSR | afaik. |
| 15:06.40 | Wobin | picasa can mass upload them, I'm fairly sure |
| 15:06.55 | Ackis | Wobin: I think so, I should, just don't know where they are |
| 15:07.07 | Wobin | From what little I just read, it'll scan your hard drive |
| 15:07.12 | Wobin | so you can upload all your porn |
| 15:07.23 | Lopeppeppy | Convenient. |
| 15:07.27 | Wobin | Google already knows what you have on your hard drive anyway |
| 15:07.46 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't upload anythign by default. |
| 15:07.55 | jnwhiteh | and you control who/what/where it scans |
| 15:07.56 | Wobin | (You -think- =)) |
| 15:07.56 | jnwhiteh | to a point =)_ |
| 15:08.16 | Fisker | froyo jnwhiteh |
| 15:08.30 | jnwhiteh | it won't be frozen yoghurt |
| 15:08.35 | jnwhiteh | its frozen yogurt, imo |
| 15:09.36 | Fisker | think it'll be released right away? |
| 15:09.58 | Lopeppeppy | Pudge controls the weather. |
| 15:11.43 | Ackis | ok, just deleted photobucket and flickr :P |
| 15:12.34 | Adys | \o/ |
| 15:12.36 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: not sure, the N1 will get it first, likely |
| 15:12.40 | Adys | I just guessed my authenticator code |
| 15:12.43 | Wobin | you're freee! |
| 15:12.54 | Wobin | Adys, wasn't that the security issue? |
| 15:14.08 | Adys | No :P |
| 15:14.14 | Fisker | it's true that it won't be announced before tomorrow right? |
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| 15:37.47 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/613315150 |
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| 15:40.46 | Maldivia | garfield without garfield is disturbing |
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| 15:42.17 | nevcairiel | i think thats the first garfieldminusgarfield that adys linked, where i actually knew the real one |
| 15:42.27 | Maldivia | makes Jon look really crazy |
| 15:45.05 | myrkraverk | is there a trick to run unsecure code when an _onstate- event fires? |
| 15:45.25 | merijn | hooksecurefunc or whatever it's called? |
| 15:45.46 | nevcairiel | there is a function to call a unsecure method |
| 15:45.57 | nevcairiel | or just change some attribute and handle it in OnAttributeChanged |
| 15:46.04 | Adys | nevcairiel: i think it's the first i've read where I didnt actually know the original |
| 15:46.17 | myrkraverk | nevcairiel, that sounds useful, thank you. |
| 15:46.19 | nevcairiel | it was just from two days ago or so |
| 15:47.06 | Adys | i havent read garfields in a couple of years :/ |
| 15:47.12 | Adys | but ive read every single one before so >.> |
| 15:48.56 | Fisker | plants a bomb on nevcairiel's back in a place he can't reach it |
| 15:48.57 | Adys | Hey guys I've got a great idea |
| 15:49.09 | Adys | blizzard should allow flying mounts... IN AZEROTH!! |
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| 15:51.15 | Ackis | wicked another uncle of mine has prostrate cancer (3 uncles + father + grandfather) |
| 15:51.31 | merijn | Anyone know if there's a way to get more verbose lua errors/inspect the state of my code when an error occurs? |
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| 15:52.16 | myrkraverk | merijn, interestingly enough, that question can be answered: yes, someone at blizzard knows ;-P |
| 15:53.01 | merijn | Sucks, I'm getting errors while coding but the tracebacks are useless as they all refer to <unnamed> so I have no clue when in the loop my code goes wrong |
| 15:54.19 | zenzelezz | useless how? They usually say something that'll at least point in the right direction |
| 15:54.55 | Lopeppeppy | Uncool, Ackis, make sure to get screening early! Breast cancer has hit my family hard, I'm fighting with my insurance company to start my screening early. |
| 15:54.55 | merijn | It points to a line in a loop, but without knowing for instance the value of my iteration variable I have no way of knowing WHEN the loop crashes |
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| 15:55.34 | Ackis | :( |
| 15:55.37 | zenzelezz | merijn: so it points to a line... what does it say about the line? |
| 15:55.39 | Ackis | I don't want to get tested |
| 15:55.44 | Ackis | some times the cure is worse than the disease |
| 15:56.00 | merijn | zenzelezz: "nterface\AddOns\MerijnsAddons\Auras.lua:85: <unnamed>:SetPoint(): <unnamed> is dependent on this" |
| 15:56.34 | jnwhiteh | you're anchoring A to B, when B is anchored to A |
| 15:56.59 | jnwhiteh | naming your frames help with error messages, innit. |
| 15:57.04 | merijn | Ah, that could actually be it |
| 15:57.06 | Lopeppeppy | If you know, you can make lifestyle and other health habit changes, without going through some of those nasty treatments. |
| 15:57.41 | merijn | Because I'm reordering and reanchoring frames there. I guess I'll just unanchor each frame and then anchor them again |
| 15:59.01 | merijn | Actually, no that can't be right |
| 15:59.21 | zenzelezz | like he says, name your frames and you'll at least get one more piece to go by |
| 15:59.33 | merijn | Because the frame I'm anchoring to will already have been reanchored, I'm doing: "table[i]:SetPoint("RIGHT", table[i-1], "LEFT")" |
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| 15:59.54 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:00.00 | merijn | In my for loop, so frame i-1 is always anchored before i is |
| 16:00.24 | foxlit | Silly anyway |
| 16:00.26 | zenzelezz | name your frames and see which ones are giving trouble |
| 16:00.27 | foxlit | Anchor by offset to parent |
| 16:00.31 | foxlit | not to each other. |
| 16:00.52 | merijn | foxlit: Why? |
| 16:01.16 | zenzelezz | so you avoid tricky business like this |
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| 16:02.48 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. |
| 16:03.03 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy. |
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| 16:05.03 | jnwhiteh | merijn: you are doing precisely what I said you are doing |
| 16:05.06 | jnwhiteh | the errors don't lie =) |
| 16:06.39 | merijn | I'm renachoring A while B is anchored to A, but according to the prints I added to double check I'm not anchoring A to B |
| 16:07.08 | jnwhiteh | the error messages do not lie. |
| 16:07.14 | jnwhiteh | I don't mean to repeat myself |
| 16:07.23 | jnwhiteh | but you are doing what the error says you are doing, whether you believe it or not. |
| 16:07.35 | jnwhiteh | it may be through a long chain of dependency |
| 16:07.37 | jnwhiteh | but it's still happening |
| 16:07.54 | jnwhiteh | as has been suggested, name your frames or alter the way you're anchoring things to be a bit more sane |
| 16:08.08 | Maldivia | merijn: there's always http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ |
| 16:08.40 | merijn | I've actually temporarily named the frames to check what's being anchored to what |
| 16:09.07 | merijn | But I've had it with this nonsense so I'll just anchor to UIParent in absolute coordinates |
| 16:10.34 | jnwhiteh | merijn: .. |
| 16:10.37 | jnwhiteh | and what does the error says |
| 16:10.38 | jnwhiteh | say |
| 16:10.40 | jnwhiteh | when its' trigger |
| 16:10.45 | jnwhiteh | that will tell you precisely what the issue is. |
| 16:11.03 | jnwhiteh | there's no reason not to do what foxlit suggested, which is anchor one frame (the parent) to UIParent somewhere, and then anchor every other frame offset from that parent frame. |
| 16:11.07 | jnwhiteh | sane, and clean. |
| 16:11.54 | Maldivia | it might be a long chain, like when anchoring 6 to 5, but there is already a chain like 5>4>3>2>1>6 |
| 16:12.06 | merijn | I've been trying to anchor my frame TOPRIGHT to UIParent TOPRIGHT and then anchoring the new frames relative to the parent but then they don't end up visible to the screen |
| 16:12.08 | jnwhiteh | This error, if the frames are named, will tell you what's happening: "nterface\AddOns\MerijnsAddons\Auras.lua:85: <unnamed>:SetPoint(): <unnamed> is dependent on this" |
| 16:12.36 | jnwhiteh | are you using the right points and offsets? |
| 16:12.43 | jnwhiteh | are the frames IsShown() and IsVisible()? |
| 16:12.46 | foxlit | Careful with the vertical offset. |
| 16:12.48 | jnwhiteh | loots to check.. |
| 16:12.51 | jnwhiteh | lots |
| 16:12.52 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: idd. |
| 16:12.59 | foxlit | The coordinate axis isn't what you usually think it is. |
| 16:13.01 | jnwhiteh | always bites me in the ass |
| 16:13.01 | Maldivia | merijn: are you remembering to handle table[1] specially (since I doubt you have a table[0]) |
| 16:13.08 | merijn | Maldivia: Yeah |
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| 16:13.21 | jnwhiteh | whats the error message say now that you've named the frames? |
| 16:13.23 | merijn | I'll pastebin what I had |
| 16:14.50 | merijn | jnwhiteh: I named the buttons after the buff they contained at creation and then I get "Interface\AddOns\MerijnsAddons\Auras.lua:85: Ebon Champion:SetPoint(): Essence of Wintergrasp is dependent on this", but since the buffs were reordered after naming I still don't know what's going on |
| 16:15.15 | jnwhiteh | I was thinking more regular names like MyButton1 |
| 16:15.16 | jnwhiteh | and MyButton4 |
| 16:15.18 | jnwhiteh | but alright. |
| 16:15.46 | Maldivia | :SetName("MyUniqueName_"..i) |
| 16:15.49 | merijn | I can do that, but they still get reordered making the number meaningless |
| 16:15.58 | jnwhiteh | why are they reordered? |
| 16:16.03 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't seem to make much sense to me.. |
| 16:16.10 | merijn | Because I'm sorting based on buff duration |
| 16:16.12 | jnwhiteh | if you have a row of buttons, they should always be in the same order, no? |
| 16:16.19 | jnwhiteh | so sort what you DISPLAY |
| 16:16.21 | jnwhiteh | don't move the buttons |
| 16:16.37 | jnwhiteh | its a fairly standard pattern used all over the place |
| 16:16.40 | Maldivia | if they are repordered, and they anchored before being reordered, and if so, are you ClearAllPoints() ? |
| 16:17.13 | merijn | I have no clue how to store the results in a way to only reorder the displays in lua |
| 16:17.14 | Maldivia | (and that was a spelling and grammar disaster:) |
| 16:17.23 | Matsy | lol yeah |
| 16:17.41 | zenzelezz | merijn: you should learn how to do that rather than try to hack this your way :-p |
| 16:17.55 | jnwhiteh | moving the buttons is about the hardest way you could do this =) |
| 16:18.05 | foxlit | neeh. |
| 16:18.09 | merijn | Resorting the buttons is just a matter of calling "sort" on the button table with a sort based the button info |
| 16:18.27 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: but moving the button around does explain the error, if the old points aren't cleared first |
| 16:18.33 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 16:18.39 | jnwhiteh | so ClearAllPoints() on the entire list |
| 16:18.43 | jnwhiteh | before you begin the sort/redisplay |
| 16:22.35 | Fisker | 1+1 = 2 |
| 16:22.41 | Fisker | isn't that right jnwhiteh ? |
| 16:23.17 | Fisker | hey Shadowed |
| 16:23.19 | Fisker | stealer of ideas |
| 16:23.22 | Zyn- | 1 + 1 = 1 |
| 16:25.01 | Matsy | wow |
| 16:25.03 | Matsy | they broke AVR :< |
| 16:25.06 | Lunessa | 1+1 = Tuesday, wtf is wrong with you? |
| 16:25.13 | Matsy | fail |
| 16:25.20 | Lopeppeppy | I blame the nargles |
| 16:25.25 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy |
| 16:25.34 | Lopeppeppy | mmm, i'm a verb! |
| 16:25.43 | jnwhiteh | I'm off, ttyl. |
| 16:26.47 | Fisker | i wish |
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| 16:33.59 | Lunessa | You may ask yourself, "How did I get here? " |
| 16:34.59 | Cide | and "who are you? how did you get in my house?" |
| 16:35.04 | Lopeppeppy | You may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful house." |
| 16:35.34 | Lunessa | You may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful wife." |
| 16:37.39 | Fisker | I DIDN'T KILL MY WIFE |
| 16:39.54 | Lunessa | You also didn't write a popular file system |
| 16:40.30 | zenzelezz | you clearly didn't hear about FSker |
| 16:40.38 | Cide | rofl |
| 16:40.44 | nevcairiel | Why did i think about that as well when fisker said that |
| 16:40.47 | nevcairiel | are we all that crazy? |
| 16:41.08 | Lunessa | I don't know about you hep cats, but I'm nucking futz. |
| 16:41.13 | Fisker | ffs? |
| 16:41.22 | Cide | FSker. |
| 16:41.34 | Fisker | I like Fisker File System better |
| 16:42.09 | zenzelezz | it proved unreliable and prone to delete your files |
| 16:42.11 | Cide | FFS: FSker File System? |
| 16:42.39 | zenzelezz | half the time when you requested a file, all it said was FUUUU |
| 16:43.24 | Lunessa | It tended to randomly overwrite the boot sector with blocks of FUUU |
| 16:44.51 | Vangual | is there a userland fuse-ker available? |
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| 16:53.19 | Lopeppeppy | I need someone to volunteer to eat a sandwich for me. A ham and cheese sandwich, with mustard, mayo, and anything else you want to put on it. But the ham, cheese, mustard and mayo are required. Then you have to come tell me that it was delicious. Any takers? |
| 16:53.34 | Fisker | eww |
| 16:53.35 | Lunessa | .... Mayo FAIL |
| 16:53.40 | cog|work | ^ |
| 16:53.41 | zenzelezz | sounds like gloating |
| 16:53.52 | ckknight | I found more pictures of Worgen: http://tinyurl.com/2dwbmss |
| 16:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | I want it because I can't have it, let me live vicariously through you!! |
| 16:54.09 | Lopeppeppy | ckknight, you are bad. |
| 16:54.22 | Lunessa | suggests ways Peppy could live 'vicariously' |
| 16:54.29 | ckknight | Lopeppeppy: am I? |
| 16:54.43 | Fisker | nda is void |
| 16:54.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh yes, do it Lunessa, doooo it. |
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| 16:55.09 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: HAWT. |
| 16:55.54 | Fisker | what is it with cats and boxes anyway? |
| 16:56.17 | ZorbaBeta | lope, that's actually a reasonable description of sandwiches I used to make |
| 16:56.21 | ZorbaBeta | and yes, they were delicious. |
| 16:56.49 | Lopeppeppy | You could make one again. For old time's sake. |
| 16:57.09 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, cats are neurotically possesed of a desire to be In, Under, or Up. Boxes qualify for In. |
| 16:58.30 | ZorbaBeta | I could, except for a lack of ham, mayo, and bread. |
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| 17:00.30 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe soon? |
| 17:00.46 | Lopeppeppy | If you do, tell me about it, please. |
| 17:01.03 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy needs her food porn to survive. |
| 17:02.51 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: http://smittenkitchen.com/ - go here. Thank me later |
| 17:02.59 | ZorbaBeta | probably not, sadly, that sandwich is not conducive to weight loss ;) |
| 17:03.41 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I read them on RSS, makes me die. |
| 17:03.59 | Lunessa | That site makes me want to cook. |
| 17:04.12 | Lopeppeppy | Zorba, not true! There are perfectly acceptable high fiber breads, low-fat ham slices, and low-fat miracle whip! |
| 17:04.23 | Lopeppeppy | Says the Peppy who was on Weight Watchers for a year... |
| 17:05.13 | Lunessa | low-fat cheese, and dressings are just fucking WRONG |
| 17:06.16 | Lopeppeppy | Nah. Some of them aren't bad. I can't stand the smell of some of the "real" stuff anymore. |
| 17:06.26 | Lopeppeppy | And some low fat cheeses have less calcium, which is important to me. |
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| 17:07.27 | Lunessa | I don't use mayo, and I don't generally like salad dressings other than a little oil and vinegar or lemon juice. But ... Low-fat mayo or dressing strikes me as insane = like a goddamned diet twinkie. |
| 17:08.11 | |Jelly| | did I hear diet twinkie? |
| 17:08.35 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, you heard. |
| 17:08.36 | Lunessa | You did. As a curse. |
| 17:09.10 | Cairenn | Diet twinkie? They don't seriously make those, do they? |
| 17:09.29 | Adys | http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_that_is_is_that_that_is_not_is_not_is_that_it_it_is |
| 17:09.34 | Adys | Google translate scares me |
| 17:09.42 | Adys | "This statement is often used as an example to explain the importance of proper punctuation." |
| 17:09.49 | Adys | thats translated directly from japanese |
| 17:10.31 | zenzelezz | sounds like something Fisker would say |
| 17:10.52 | cog|work | barfs on SecureButton_GetButtonSuffix |
| 17:10.56 | cog|work | lern2table nubs! |
| 17:11.18 | zenzelezz | ..? |
| 17:11.37 | cog|work | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/SecureTemplates.lua |
| 17:11.39 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, they make something... "like" a twinkie in a 100-calorie version. Nibble at your own peril. |
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| 17:11.52 | Cairenn | Yeah, no |
| 17:12.03 | Lopeppeppy | If I'm gonna scarf a twinkie, for whatever crackbrain reason, it will be the real, evil, preservative laden sugary thing. |
| 17:12.11 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 17:12.40 | Thunder_Child | http://www.zeer.com/Food-Products/Hostess-Low-Fat-Twinkies/000043524 |
| 17:12.48 | Lopeppeppy | TC, don't be cruel. |
| 17:13.13 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: i'm not trying to be, i'm trying to figure how that is 'low-fat' |
| 17:13.27 | Thunder_Child | it only works as a comparison to a real twinky |
| 17:13.34 | Lunessa | Twinkies, in general are vile. But the fake fat, fake sugar, fake cake version is fit only to be used as ammunition. I suspect they viloate the Geneva Conventions as Chemical Weapons. |
| 17:13.39 | Maldivia | hmm... and I have no idea what a twinkie is... know what a twink is, but highly doubt they have anything in common |
| 17:13.40 | Thunder_Child | but then everything can be 'low-fat' to something else |
| 17:15.48 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, chemical weapons for lunch. |
| 17:15.50 | Lunessa | Maldivia: slang rarely has any real relationship to the original word's meaning. |
| 17:15.56 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone volunteer for that? |
| 17:16.48 | Thunder_Child | i'll try anything once |
| 17:17.01 | Maldivia | Lunessa: true, but I read "twink" in Lopeppeppy first sentence, and it gave that sentence a whole other meaning! |
| 17:17.07 | Lopeppeppy | Must report back on your findings, that's the rule of Peppy Food Porn. |
| 17:17.25 | Lunessa | Maldivia: Especially if Lopeppeppy has morphed into an older, wealther, gay man. |
| 17:17.42 | Lopeppeppy | Maldivia, if I scarf a twink, it will be after cooking it with a blowtorch. You never know where they've been. |
| 17:18.05 | Maldivia | Lunessa / Lopeppeppy: well, it was the 100-calorie version, that you nibble at your own peril sentence I was refering to :) |
| 17:18.40 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Maldivia, I have it on good authority that THAT has no calories, and is kosher. *weg* |
| 17:18.48 | Lunessa | ... |
| 17:19.10 | Maldivia | and on that note... time for some dinner |
| 17:19.38 | Lopeppeppy | *weg* |
| 17:20.12 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/05/youve_got_to_be_fing_kidding_m.php |
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| 17:23.50 | Thunder_Child | well, guess i'll give the remote AH a test |
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| 17:24.24 | Lunessa | mikma: Angry, bitter blogger is angry and bitter? |
| 17:25.02 | mikma | or he just hates ipads |
| 17:26.14 | Thunder_Child | i wonder how long untill auctioneer taps into the remote auction api and makes their own app |
| 17:26.40 | Lunessa | Any time you poll the populace about something that requires significant abstract thought you'll get skewed results. Complaining about that is like complaining that water is wet, or that gravity is a weak, but cumulative force. |
| 17:27.35 | mikma | or tits |
| 17:27.43 | Lopeppeppy | And if you give them a poll with choices... you're just asking for skewed results when that poll is on the internet |
| 17:28.22 | Lunessa | mikma: I never complain about tits. Unless it's to complain that I am getting insufficient exposure to them. |
| 17:31.07 | Lunessa | apparently killed the conversation. |
| 17:31.26 | mikma | lunessa: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1279525/Igor--Grichka-Bogdanoff-French-twins-unrecognisable-plastic-surgery.html |
| 17:31.48 | mikma | no, i just lost interest of reading what you typed |
| 17:34.53 | Lunessa | People who spell/type like this "If tryed looking through many macro sites to find the proper terms but cant seem to find what i need. I have looked into scrips but down fully enderstand it. If anyone could offer a hand or some insight to a potential solution it would be appreciated." have no business writing code. |
| 17:36.08 | mikma | wall of text crits you for NaN. you die. |
| 17:38.37 | Thunder_Child | or typing |
| 17:39.48 | Lopeppeppy | They know "Potential solution" but not "script" |
| 17:40.15 | Lunessa | down instead of don't. |
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| 17:40.42 | Lunessa | "enderstand" "tryed" ? Please. |
| 17:40.46 | Mileadus | its like somebody was typing it from a dictaphone |
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| 18:07.04 | Lopeppeppy | heya, alestane |
| 18:07.12 | alestane | Good afternoond, Peppy. |
| 18:07.17 | alestane | < d |
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| 18:07.30 | Ackis | my toe hurts :( |
| 18:07.34 | Ackis | I blame |
| 18:07.34 | Ackis | me |
| 18:08.13 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. You can only blame the amateur surgeon. Do you have any gauze to pad it a bit, so it stops rubbing in your shoe? |
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| 18:08.27 | Mnc | So, I'm tryin to dip my toes in this addon business by creating what I figured would be a simple "whisper a keyword and trigger an event" sort of addon. I have tried browsing "Chitchat", which apparently stores whispers when AFK, but I can't seem to find any "if (message.Type() == MessageType.Whisper)" stuff... Anyone have a nudgestick to point me in the right direction? :) |
| 18:08.37 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: sock is kinda like gauze |
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| 18:10.06 | Lopeppeppy | You could look at the whisper-crafting addons... I forget what their names were... drat it! |
| 18:10.11 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, and kinda not. |
| 18:10.23 | Ackis | craftlist2 iirc |
| 18:12.24 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/19/google-unveils-chrome-web-app-store/ <-sweet |
| 18:12.35 | Mnc | I'll have a peek at craftlist2, cheers. :) |
| 18:12.56 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, it was EnchantLIst I was after, which Craftlist is based on. Neat. |
| 18:13.13 | Dagmar | Jesus, this is depressing |
| 18:13.16 | Fisker | i almost completed one of the most hard puzzle games in the business Ackis |
| 18:13.22 | Dagmar | The patent system really *is* completely broken |
| 18:13.48 | Ackis | patents pulling your toenail out with a pair of needle nose pliers. |
| 18:15.10 | Dagmar | Slashdot is running a story about Microsoft suing some company over patent infringement (nothing new there) but I looked at the list of patents they're suing over.... One is basically access level groups |
| 18:16.15 | Dagmar | Patent 5941947 was filed in 1995, which is a few years after C-Net BBS used this _very obvious_ mechanism to tie privs to user groups, and C-Net BBSes were all _over_ the place |
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| 18:17.06 | Dagmar | ...and it's pretty much how practically everyone's security worked in the early 90's |
| 18:17.23 | alestane | "But the sad truth is that the only reason youâll never find any of those things is because I just gobble them all up as soon as I get my hands on them. It can be a single little piece of candy, a huge Toblerone chocolate bar or (as was the case) a whole chocolate cake - and Iâll just sit down, play reruns of Mythbusters through the internet and eat the whole thing." |
| 18:18.41 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, some days, having to be responsible for shit sucks. |
| 18:19.02 | Thunder_Child | only some? |
| 18:19.22 | Lopeppeppy | Most days, NHTS. |
| 18:19.27 | NightHawkTheSane | well, some days it's not so bad. *shrug* |
| 18:23.22 | ZorbaBeta | oh dear, there's someone named "lope" in another IRC channel I'm in. that won't be confusing at all |
| 18:24.10 | alestane | Lope is not Peppy! |
| 18:26.31 | Lopeppeppy | Very not the Peppy. |
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| 18:29.01 | Fisker | bitchduck Lopeppeppy |
| 18:29.19 | Lopeppeppy | Quacks don't echo. |
| 18:29.35 | alestane | echo `quack` |
| 18:29.47 | alestane | No output, she's right. |
| 18:30.01 | Lopeppeppy | Wicked smart, I am. |
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| 18:34.38 | Fisker | quicktime sucks |
| 18:37.51 | Fisker | why is google awesome btw Adys ? |
| 18:38.17 | Adys | Because the amount of reasons to praise them wouldn't fit in a 32bit integer |
| 18:38.18 | Cide | they use python |
| 18:38.27 | Lopeppeppy | Look, real worgen moodels! http://wow.curse.com/articles/wow-en-news/738032.aspx |
| 18:38.34 | Cide | which coincidentally allows >32 bit integers |
| 18:38.41 | Adys | \o/ |
| 18:38.59 | Adys | http://mmo-champion.com/ |
| 18:39.00 | Adys | ohay. |
| 18:39.55 | alestane | Neat, Peppy. |
| 18:42.24 | zenzelezz | was MMOC ever a general MMO site? |
| 18:42.40 | Adys | was the plan |
| 18:42.50 | Adys | but wow was just too much already |
| 18:47.27 | alestane | They also fund lua_jit, Cide. |
| 18:48.31 | Cide | nice |
| 18:50.04 | DWSR | Shadowed: In EA/EG, is there a way to cross-pollinate raid experience? For example, I switched mains when ICC came out, so my 1 toon has very little ICC experience, but has cleared almost everything before that, and my other toon has very little pre-ICC experience, but has Kingslayer. I want my character's raid experience to show that I've completed all of the above, not just 1 toon's experience. |
| 18:52.04 | Mnc | This vb-like lua stuff might as well have been chinese... Gonna be a long night. :S |
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| 18:52.17 | zenzelezz | lua, VB-like? |
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| 18:52.41 | Mnc | looks like vb to me :P |
| 18:52.48 | Lunessa | Lua's syntax is almost pure c or c++ in style. |
| 18:53.00 | Mnc | all i see is if ... then... end |
| 18:53.07 | myrkraverk | I'm using OnAttributeChanged and it looks like my _onstate-foo attribute is no longer being run -- is it impossible to use both in the same frame? |
| 18:53.09 | alestane | Not really, prefers English words. |
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| 18:53.34 | Mnc | also, way too few ;'s |
| 18:53.37 | alestane | _onstate-depends on an "OnAttributeChanged" handler. |
| 18:53.41 | Lunessa | alestane: Perhaps it's just the filter through which I see the world. |
| 18:53.53 | alestane | You can use them if you want, Mnc, |
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| 18:54.08 | myrkraverk | *uses ;* |
| 18:54.33 | DWSR | Mnc: Line terms are optional in Lua. I personally use them, but I've spent way too much time writing Java and C |
| 18:55.09 | Mnc | I've noticed them while reading through a few lua's, when people want several things done and choose not to 'seperate' it |
| 18:55.51 | alestane | If you want to add an OnAttributeChanged script to a SecureHandlerStateTemplate, Mnc, use HookScript instead of SetScript. |
| 18:56.15 | Mnc | wrong highlight :D |
| 18:56.18 | myrkraverk | alestane, was that meant for me? |
| 18:56.27 | Mnc | ;) |
| 18:56.29 | Mnc | I think it was |
| 18:57.11 | Thunder_Child | dont mind alestane, he has mental issues |
| 18:57.18 | Mnc | Who doesn't |
| 18:57.27 | alestane | Stinking Tab-completes. |
| 18:57.36 | Thunder_Child | s/has/has more than usuall/ |
| 18:57.41 | alestane | Also, you jumped into the middle of a discussion with someone else. |
| 18:58.06 | Mnc | That's IRC for ya :P |
| 18:58.27 | myrkraverk | where is HookScript documented? I don't find it (yet) on wowwiki or wowprogramming |
| 18:58.55 | alestane | !api HookScript |
| 18:58.55 | lua_bot | ScriptObject:HookScript: Securely hooks a script handler (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScriptObject/HookScript) |
| 18:59.09 | myrkraverk | thank you |
| 18:59.21 | alestane | thanks lua_bot. |
| 19:00.53 | alestane | Basically, you use it just like SetScript. |
| 19:01.04 | alestane | Only it tacks your script onto the end of the existing script. |
| 19:01.07 | Fisker | alestane |
| 19:01.09 | Fisker | it's raining |
| 19:01.14 | Jamash | blood |
| 19:01.15 | myrkraverk | hmm, so I HookScript OnAttributeChanged? Or do I hook somehowe the _onstate-foo attribute ? |
| 19:01.43 | myrkraverk | *tries OnAttributeChanged* |
| 19:01.52 | Mnc | Give vartypes :( |
| 19:01.54 | alestane | SecureHandlerStateTemplate comes with its own OnAttributeChanged script which dispatches to the correct attribute. |
| 19:02.01 | DWSR | http://armorydatamining.appspot.com/general?t=BGPerformance <-- lolwut @ hunters. |
| 19:02.43 | Jamash | awwwwwwwwwww yeah |
| 19:02.46 | alestane | In Lua, variables are named, untypes, mutable references to anonymous, immutable typed values, Mnc. |
| 19:03.14 | Mnc | I want bools and ints and strings etc :( |
| 19:03.20 | alestane | They all exist. |
| 19:03.24 | Jamash | there are boolean values, integer values and string values |
| 19:03.41 | Jamash | variables just aren't strongly typed |
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| 19:04.01 | myrkraverk | ok. |
| 19:04.03 | Mnc | Right, strongly typed, that's what I meant. :P |
| 19:04.10 | Jamash | strong typing is for weak minds |
| 19:04.11 | alestane | No compile-time checking is done, however. |
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| 19:04.45 | alestane | But you can always assert(type(flag) == 'boolean'). |
| 19:05.00 | alestane | Just that will make your code more limiting. |
| 19:05.59 | alestane | "Lua would be Wicca - A pantheistic language that can easily be adapted for different cultures and locations. Its code is very liberal, and allows for the use of techniques that might be described as magical by those used to more traditional languages. It has a strong connection to the moon." |
| 19:06.00 | alestane | http://blog.aegisub.org/2008/12/if-programming-languages-were-religions.html |
| 19:06.40 | Ackis | http://www.ontheforecheck.com/2010/5/13/1469581/the-2010-alternative-nhl-awards haha Sidney Crosby got an award... #1 player to slash the most+ |
| 19:07.48 | Mnc | Hmm, \n in wowlanguage? |
| 19:08.01 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 19:08.03 | Fisker | it's raining |
| 19:08.22 | alestane | \n is the escape code for a newline. |
| 19:08.24 | Ackis | http://io9.com/5541317/the-most-politically-incorrect-fake-scifi-b+movie-poster-ever Talbiansaurus Rex wtf? |
| 19:08.28 | Ackis | Fisker: raining men? |
| 19:08.36 | Fisker | naw alestane |
| 19:08.43 | Fisker | that's someone raising his hand alestane |
| 19:08.45 | Mnc | Sure, but does it work for wow's chat / lua :P |
| 19:08.45 | alestane | Hallelujah? |
| 19:08.46 | Jamash | apl = scientology :( |
| 19:08.47 | Fisker | see alestane, Ackis got it |
| 19:09.05 | alestane | You can't send a newline in a chat message, Mnc, you have to send a new message. |
| 19:09.39 | alestane | I think you can add a message containing a newline to a FontString or MessageFrame, though. |
| 19:10.00 | Mnc | So the simple way would be, DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("line 1"); DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("line 2"); etc ^_- |
| 19:10.11 | ZorbaBeta | man, hunters suck at level 59 |
| 19:11.07 | Ackis | s/ a level 59/./ |
| 19:11.39 | alestane | Pretty much, Mnc. |
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| 19:12.15 | alestane | Keep in mind that adding something to a MessageFrame doesn't distribute it to any other players. |
| 19:12.19 | myrkraverk | alestane, thank you, stuff is working now ;) |
| 19:12.26 | alestane | Also, WoW now supports print. |
| 19:12.39 | myrkraverk | self:HookScript( "OnAttributeChanged", function (name, value,...) print( name,value, ... ) end ); |
| 19:12.43 | myrkraverk | yup, that's my tester |
| 19:12.49 | Mnc | i know, its for the "learn to /addon on/off" |
| 19:14.29 | alestane | \n is acceptable in print, so it should also work in :AddMessage. |
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| 19:17.30 | NightHawkTheSane | flails |
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| 19:19.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont suppose anyone here has experience running openoffice headless on a server? |
| 19:20.29 | Thunder_Child | you really need help running openoffice stupidly? |
| 19:21.09 | alestane | Apparently it's an ibis raising its hand, Fisker. |
| 19:23.17 | Jamash | why would you run a gui program headless |
| 19:24.28 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone has a hobby |
| 19:25.01 | alestane | ~addonkit |
| 19:25.02 | purl | Located at http://tinyurl.com/addonkit the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
| 19:26.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: it can be run headless to perform transformation/searching operations on content |
| 19:26.53 | Ackis | http://astrosurf.com/legault/iss_atlantis_2010.jpg wicked cool picture of the space shuttle and the ISS in front of the sun |
| 19:27.38 | NightHawkTheSane | you (supposedly) can run it as a service, and connect to it on a specified port to perform various file operations. We're trying to use it to index .docx files for searching. |
| 19:28.08 | myrkraverk | NightHawkTheSane, I've done *some* examples from the programming manual |
| 19:28.26 | myrkraverk | NightHawkTheSane, Don't you have that already? From the SDK |
| 19:28.29 | Mnc | I'm having a bit of trouble understanding where Craftlist2 gets its arguments from... function CraftList2:CHAT_MSG_WHISPER() QueryProcess(arg1,arg2,arg6,"whisper") end ... Can anyone share some insight? I cannot find arg6 (example) predefined anywhere. |
| 19:29.09 | myrkraverk | Mnc, isn't it an obsolete var naming in lua? |
| 19:29.20 | Mnc | I haven't a clue. :x |
| 19:29.24 | NightHawkTheSane | myrkraverk: well, right now I'm just looking for a log file, or something to let me know whether it's actually getting connected to |
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| 19:29.41 | NightHawkTheSane | we're running Alfresco, which should be making the connection, but i can't verify if it is |
| 19:29.48 | myrkraverk | NightHawkTheSane, Ok, it's been years since I did this, so I can't be specific |
| 19:29.54 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* thanks anyway ;) |
| 19:30.05 | myrkraverk | NightHawkTheSane, I did connect with the example programs I made, Java and C++ |
| 19:30.07 | alestane | Before TBC, event handlers and scripts received their arguments in global variables set by the WoW host before calling them. These variable still persist, although the Blizzard UI stopped using them in 3.0. |
| 19:30.50 | nevcairiel | was the proper way not even possible pre-2.0? |
| 19:31.01 | nevcairiel | its been tool ong |
| 19:31.03 | nevcairiel | i dont remember |
| 19:31.09 | alestane | Nope. The globals were the only communication in 1.x. |
| 19:31.31 | haste | it was all globals in 1.x |
| 19:31.43 | haste | self was firstly added in 2.x as a optimization |
| 19:31.48 | haste | (and friends) |
| 19:32.08 | haste | also, alestane is from the future! |
| 19:32.15 | haste | or I'm from the past |
| 19:32.32 | Mnc | So I'm working with outdated coding, trying to build my first newb addon :D |
| 19:32.40 | alestane | Sounds like it. |
| 19:32.55 | Mnc | I'll never get anywhere :\ |
| 19:33.22 | Adys | After a year of testing by invitation only, Google Wave has been opened to the public. From what I have seen, it looks like it could be beneficial for documenting brainstorming sessions beyond simple instant messaging protocols. |
| 19:33.41 | Jamash | I went to the googleplex for a weekend of google wave hacking |
| 19:33.53 | nevcairiel | Did someone recommend buying ~wowprogramming yet? :d |
| 19:33.55 | Jamash | from experience, it seems like a solution in search of a problem |
| 19:33.55 | nevcairiel | ~wowprogramming |
| 19:33.56 | purl | somebody said wowprogramming was World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 19:33.56 | Lopeppeppy | Look for a similar addon which has been updated more recently, Mnc. Or check more up to date resources. |
| 19:34.03 | Lopeppeppy | Like that one. ^ |
| 19:35.34 | Mnc | peppy: I'm having enough trouble understanding lua as it is :D |
| 19:35.50 | Mnc | wants a tool that can translate sharp to lua |
| 19:35.58 | nevcairiel | do you have any previous programming experience? |
| 19:36.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: I'm currently using it to store information about the D&D game I run, including campaign logs, and character info. But in that respect I guess it's arguably no better than a wiki. |
| 19:36.03 | Lopeppeppy | Well, have trouble understanding it from *current* sources, so you're at least understanding it in "modern". :) |
| 19:36.11 | NightHawkTheSane | That said, it does work fairly well for that purpose |
| 19:36.19 | Adys | it's a real-time wiki |
| 19:36.21 | Mnc | nevcairiel: Some C# experience |
| 19:36.21 | Adys | great for that |
| 19:36.22 | Adys | and imo |
| 19:36.33 | Adys | wikis are a giant hack for that kind of purpose |
| 19:36.44 | nevcairiel | Lua is a really simple language, with a general grasp on programming, it should be easy to understand |
| 19:36.56 | NightHawkTheSane | well wave has enough quirks that it's not really superior to a wiki either |
| 19:37.01 | Lopeppeppy | I've had a lot of people say that Google Wave was going to be great for gaming... but no one seems interested in actually running a game using it. :) |
| 19:37.17 | Jamash | you must learn to see beyond syntax, to the true essence of programming |
| 19:37.34 | Jamash | only then shall you see the truth |
| 19:37.35 | Mnc | Isn't there something MSDN-like, for the wow addon usage of lua? |
| 19:37.42 | Lopeppeppy | The essence of programming is cutting off your toes with a dull butter knife, and convincing yourself it's fun. |
| 19:37.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: If i had the time and energy to do so, I probably would. But as it is, I run one live game and play in another. So... :P |
| 19:38.11 | Jamash | http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Interface_customization |
| 19:38.32 | Jamash | as well as http://wowprogramming.com/ |
| 19:38.47 | NightHawkTheSane | I've been idly considering developing a specialized CMS specifically for that kind of asychronous gaming, and wave pretty much does everything I would have wanted, more or less. |
| 19:38.52 | NightHawkTheSane | It's sadly sluggish though. |
| 19:38.57 | Lopeppeppy | I keep trying to convince my distance friends who want me to game with them that if they run it in Wave, I totally will. |
| 19:39.20 | nevcairiel | wowprogramming has the better reference, while wowiki has more guides and tutorials |
| 19:39.21 | nevcairiel | so use both |
| 19:40.02 | Jamash | Lopeppeppy: :( |
| 19:40.54 | Lopeppeppy | I can't drive to Boston in my ancient creakity car, 3 times a month! They must run their game in Wave, for my convenience! |
| 19:41.00 | Lopeppeppy | is queen of the world. In her head. |
| 19:41.07 | NightHawkTheSane | you could take a train? :) |
| 19:41.11 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.02 | Lopeppeppy | Could. I'd have to get a cat sitter, Frankencat gets meds daily. |
| 19:42.13 | Lopeppeppy | I got cats because you can leave them ALONE for a weekend!! *laugh* |
| 19:42.41 | Mnc | Get new cats instead :P |
| 19:43.18 | NightHawkTheSane | :o thats so mean :p |
| 19:43.27 | Mnc | Some that requires less maintenance. :) |
| 19:43.27 | Mnc | Hehe |
| 19:44.21 | Lopeppeppy | She'll be done with it in July, so I can go camping for a week in August. If I'm off MY meds by then! |
| 19:44.35 | Jamash | put your cat in a Shroedinger box |
| 19:44.46 | Jamash | that way it'll be in an indeterminate state until you get back |
| 19:45.17 | nevcairiel | but it has a good chance to come out dead |
| 19:45.25 | NightHawkTheSane | about 50%? |
| 19:45.29 | Lopeppeppy | It's already the Thunderdome at home -- two cats enter, one cat leaves. |
| 19:45.53 | Mnc | superstate* i believe |
| 19:46.07 | Mnc | or superposition... something along those lines |
| 19:47.59 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Break a deal, Face the WHEEL! |
| 19:51.47 | NightHawkTheSane | the wonder wheel? |
| 19:52.01 | Mnc | Hmm, is there a way for an addon to have a variable that can be accessed from 'the outside', say from a macro... Like a property. :) |
| 19:52.24 | Jamash | all variables that aren't declared local are accessible |
| 19:52.30 | Dagmar | Yeah but you're not going to be able to use it for what you're probably thinking of using it |
| 19:52.52 | Dagmar | i.e., /cast winmacro() |
| 19:54.23 | Mnc | I was thinking of... if (addon.var == no) { Enable(); SpamChat("Gogo!"); } else if (addon.var == yes) { Disable(); } |
| 19:54.27 | Mnc | Something along those lines |
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| 20:00.59 | Jamash | what exactly are you trying to accomplish with this macro? |
| 20:01.49 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/19/iphone-os-4-0-beta-4-hints-at-led-flash-camera-for-ipad-ipod/ <nice finally features that's been in any half-decent phone with camera in it since like forever |
| 20:03.10 | A-KO^ | Fisker: What are you talking about? when Apple users want to take photos, they buy an iCam and sync it up with iTunes, and pay generally 3x as much as what the camera would cost without the "i" and the Apple logo :P |
| 20:03.28 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 20:03.38 | Fisker | don't think you can sync a led flash though |
| 20:04.00 | Thunder_Child | you can sync anything! |
| 20:05.25 | A-KO^ | ugh, muscle pain ftl |
| 20:05.35 | A-KO^ | exercising is the suck |
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| 20:05.47 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, do we really care that much about flashes on cameras on -phones-? |
| 20:06.00 | A-KO^ | NightHawkTheSane: It's one more thing for people to pick on the iphone about now that it got MMS |
| 20:06.03 | Fisker | i love waking up in the middle of the night with excruciating pains (i.e. cramps) in the leg |
| 20:06.14 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO^: i dont mean the iphone, i mean in general |
| 20:06.17 | Fisker | then you stub your to on the table and you're like double fffffffffuuuuuuu- |
| 20:06.27 | Lopeppeppy | Eat more bananas, Fiskerdin. |
| 20:06.36 | A-KO^ | NightHawkTheSane: no, not too many people actually do, but when it comes to the iphone, it's the end of the world that it doesn't have it. |
| 20:06.53 | Fisker | not a normal problem Lopeppeppy |
| 20:07.02 | A-KO^ | Fisker: I've been meeting with a personal trainer :P and he's been working me to death |
| 20:07.04 | A-KO^ | I feel kinda bad |
| 20:07.09 | A-KO^ | I farted pretty loudly while doing situps |
| 20:07.10 | A-KO^ | haha |
| 20:07.40 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO^: well, yeah, specifically re:iphone, people will nitpick to shit, especially wanna-be pundits who think they know everything about everything. i dont give them the time of day, though ;) |
| 20:08.07 | A-KO^ | I don't like Apple generally, but my iphone has been pretty sweet--and I'm likely to pick up the next gen iphone when it comes out. |
| 20:08.11 | A-KO^ | we'll see |
| 20:08.17 | NightHawkTheSane | I still don't see a compelling reason for recording video on a phone :\ |
| 20:08.30 | A-KO^ | eh I've got the 3G, not the 3GS :P |
| 20:08.32 | A-KO^ | so no video fmr e |
| 20:08.34 | A-KO^ | for me* |
| 20:08.42 | NightHawkTheSane | again, not referring to iphone, but modern phones in general ;) |
| 20:08.46 | A-KO^ | but my phone could definitely use more ram and a higher cpu |
| 20:08.51 | A-KO^ | it's noticeable |
| 20:09.00 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, my g1 is showing its age :\ |
| 20:09.12 | augustl | off topic but I know there are lots of windows programmers around so I'll have at it: what should I use to create windows GUIs? VisualStudio? Is there a lower power free of charge tool I can use? It's a very simple application with just one view. |
| 20:09.17 | A-KO^ | Apple tends to keep things resident in memory, like Safari's webpages are stored in ram. the ipod app is stored in ram |
| 20:09.28 | A-KO^ | augustl: Visual Studio Express |
| 20:09.39 | augustl | A-KO^: looking it up, thanks |
| 20:09.48 | Mnc | Uhm... Aren't OnEnable and OnEvent -> PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD kinda the same thing? Both initializers, such that using one of them would be just as good as using the other? |
| 20:10.12 | nevcairiel | OnEnable is not provided by blizzard |
| 20:10.30 | Mnc | Damn you c/p! |
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| 20:10.44 | augustl | should I use C# or C++? :) |
| 20:10.55 | augustl | C# is more "native" isn't it? |
| 20:10.56 | Cide | C++ naturally |
| 20:10.57 | A-KO^ | I've heard lots of good things about C# |
| 20:11.04 | A-KO^ | but most people would probably say C++ |
| 20:11.21 | Cide | or Qt |
| 20:11.23 | nevcairiel | If all you want is a simple GUI app, C# is easier to use |
| 20:11.23 | Dashkal | C# is higher level than C++. How close to the metal do you like to code? |
| 20:11.41 | augustl | Dashkal: it's just a form and some calls to command line utils like "mklink" |
| 20:11.41 | Cide | if all you want is a simple GUI app, use PyQt |
| 20:11.48 | Dashkal | C# is simpler |
| 20:11.50 | A-KO^ | augustl: use C#, or even VB.NET :P |
| 20:12.01 | augustl | I would prefer to create a native app, I'm not a big fan of cross platform UIs. |
| 20:12.05 | A-KO^ | Cide: that would require installing the QT libs on Windows, this allows him to use a windows native app :P |
| 20:12.06 | Dashkal | VB would actually be a decent choise as well for such a simple case. Much as I hate that vile language |
| 20:12.21 | Cide | A-KO^: there's always py2exe. |
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| 20:12.38 | A-KO^ | Dashkal: I use VB.NET for simple apps |
| 20:12.40 | Mnc | Just gogo C#, it's simpler to use for quick throw-together apps |
| 20:12.44 | nevcairiel | .net apps are actually not "native" |
| 20:13.09 | Dashkal | I wonder about that. Isn't .NET a part of the windows 7 os now? |
| 20:13.11 | A-KO^ | screw it augustl just write everything in asm :P |
| 20:13.12 | nevcairiel | they are compiled into an intermediate language thats then run on a VM |
| 20:13.25 | augustl | I know a little bit C and ObjectiveC. So I guess C++ is easier. Dunno... |
| 20:14.04 | Dashkal | Learning C# isn't a waste of time. It sees quite a bit of use. |
| 20:14.38 | A-KO^ | off to home :P |
| 20:14.49 | Dashkal | Which reminds me, I should dust off my old C# book and refresh myself. Been too long |
| 20:14.58 | augustl | C# is mostly windows though, isn't it? |
| 20:15.28 | nevcairiel | works fine on linux with mono, as long as you dont insits on using the latest iteration of it |
| 20:15.34 | Dashkal | Sorta? the mono project gives lin... yeah |
| 20:16.01 | augustl | what is mono exactly? A C# compiler for linux? Or a GUI thing? Or both? |
| 20:16.03 | nevcairiel | stuff from the 3.5 SDK like WPF and all the new shit wont work on linux (yet) |
| 20:16.11 | Dashkal | It's an implementation of .net for unix |
| 20:16.15 | Adys | augustl: it's a .net VM |
| 20:16.16 | augustl | as I said, I'm not a big fan of cross platform thingies, so.. ;) |
| 20:16.26 | nevcairiel | mono is a linux implementation of the Common Language Runtime (the .NET VM) |
| 20:16.34 | augustl | I see, so it runs code, that's all? |
| 20:16.41 | Adys | yes |
| 20:16.44 | nevcairiel | its like a java vm |
| 20:16.49 | Adys | if you have a choice between C/++ and C# |
| 20:16.50 | Adys | pick C++ |
| 20:16.52 | Adys | seriously. |
| 20:16.53 | nevcairiel | .net is really alot like java, from that design standpoint |
| 20:17.15 | Dashkal | Eh, I'd hesitate to taint it with that comparason anymore. C# evolves. Java is the new COBOL |
| 20:17.19 | nevcairiel | except that .net "feels" more native, as they actually ship .exe files by default, and not .jar files, but eh |
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| 20:17.33 | augustl | Dashkal: the JVM rocks, though, scala is awesome |
| 20:17.39 | Dashkal | augustl: Very much agreed |
| 20:17.50 | Dashkal | I picked up scala a few months back |
| 20:17.54 | alestane | !api GUID |
| 20:17.54 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'GUID': GetPlayerInfoByGUID, UnitGUID |
| 20:17.58 | Dashkal | Though that lead me to haskell. There be demons there |
| 20:18.03 | alestane | !api UnitGUID |
| 20:18.03 | lua_bot | UnitGUID: Returns a unit's globally unique identifier (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitGUID) |
| 20:18.28 | augustl | thanks for the advice everyone, feel free to go back on topic :) |
| 20:18.39 | nevcairiel | we dont have a topic |
| 20:18.44 | Dashkal | on topic? here? |
| 20:18.56 | Cide | our topic is bitching at nubs |
| 20:18.58 | Cide | or well |
| 20:19.02 | Cide | that's my personal agenda anyway |
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| 20:19.11 | augustl | you're off topic, you haven't bitched at me. |
| 20:19.35 | augustl | wait, that means I'm not a noob. Finally! |
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| 20:19.38 | Mnc | Anyone know if "RegisterChatCommand" is default, or from some lib? |
| 20:19.38 | Cide | <Cide> augustl, you really are a pile of trash |
| 20:19.40 | Cide | didn't see that? |
| 20:19.40 | Jamash | my topic is bitching about scalar languages |
| 20:19.54 | Dashkal | augustl: Your mother is a hamster and your father smells of elderberries |
| 20:19.55 | Dashkal | There |
| 20:20.15 | Jamash | You're a jerk, augustl. A real kneebiter. |
| 20:20.28 | Cide | I can't stand augustl being in here. |
| 20:20.29 | Cide | I'm out. |
| 20:20.47 | augustl | goes afk for the greater good |
| 20:22.29 | Adys | Cairenn: http://www.epicfail.com/2010/05/19/bird-win/ |
| 20:22.43 | Adys | (half-sfw) |
| 20:23.21 | Mnc | Is there any "string".Contains("str"); in lua? :P |
| 20:23.31 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:23.32 | Adys | lua> ("foo"):match("fo") |
| 20:23.32 | lua_bot | Adys: fo |
| 20:23.35 | augustl | Mnc: you can use matches |
| 20:23.37 | Adys | lua> ("foo"):match("bar") |
| 20:23.37 | lua_bot | Adys: nil |
| 20:23.53 | augustl | Mnc: http://lua-users.org/wiki/StringLibraryTutorial |
| 20:23.55 | augustl | nom |
| 20:24.31 | augustl | I like that Lua doesn't have regular expressions |
| 20:24.37 | augustl | lightweight goodness |
| 20:24.51 | Dashkal | Smart bird |
| 20:24.57 | Jamash | I hate that lua doesn't have regular expression |
| 20:24.58 | Adys | it has a broken nonstandard regex instead |
| 20:24.58 | Jamash | s |
| 20:25.07 | augustl | s/broken/fast/ |
| 20:25.08 | Jamash | lightweight bullcrap |
| 20:25.20 | Adys | it's nonstandard |
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| 20:25.27 | Adys | more of a reverse-formatting really |
| 20:25.32 | Jamash | it's /almost/ useless |
| 20:25.38 | Dashkal | Ever since I learned about combinator parsers, I've hated regex with a passion. |
| 20:25.38 | augustl | it's just like dynamically typed languages. So pointless, you never change the types of variables, and the performance benefits and more of static typing is lost |
| 20:25.56 | augustl | scala: doing it right. Guessing the type so you don't have to declare it. Solves the problem of static typing imo :) |
| 20:26.06 | alestane | Maybe you only use one type per variable. |
| 20:27.01 | Mnc | Or use objects :p |
| 20:27.06 | alestane | Jamash, I think the argument was that the standard regex library was larger than the entire Lua implementation. |
| 20:27.10 | augustl | someone probably implemented PCREs in Lua though? There seems to be lots of libs around for typical stdlib functionality, such as sha1 |
| 20:27.41 | Jamash | alestane: so, make it an optional module |
| 20:27.43 | alestane | And yes, if you want full regex capability you can write it in Lua or implement a C library to handle it. |
| 20:28.00 | alestane | I believe there are such libraries already. |
| 20:28.12 | Jamash | but wow doesn't use them :( |
| 20:28.19 | augustl | perhaps you can piggyback on C regexps |
| 20:28.24 | alestane | And probably wouldn't anyway. |
| 20:28.44 | alestane | What does WoW typically need full regex parsing for? |
| 20:28.58 | Jamash | for my personal convenience |
| 20:29.00 | NeoTron | so I'm getting an SSD and I was wondering if there's some tool that lets me move a windows install from my root drive to the SSD without copying everything. is that even possible? |
| 20:29.00 | Jamash | duh |
| 20:29.14 | NeoTron | since my root drive has around 400 GB or so it won't fit |
| 20:29.16 | alestane | lua> "quit" < "apple" |
| 20:29.16 | lua_bot | alestane: false |
| 20:29.22 | alestane | lua> "quit" > "apple" |
| 20:29.23 | lua_bot | alestane: true |
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| 20:30.16 | Jamash | lua> "nexus one" > "iphone" |
| 20:30.16 | lua_bot | Jamash: true |
| 20:30.20 | Jamash | oh snap |
| 20:30.51 | alestane | The only place where success comes before work... |
| 20:31.45 | alestane | But yeah, even if an export library for regexes were *shipped* with Lua, I think it's unlikely WoW would include it. |
| 20:31.58 | Jamash | I suppose I should write my own parser |
| 20:32.17 | Jamash | or lexer, to be more precise |
| 20:32.18 | alestane | Since you're probably looking for something much more restricted than the full scope of regex parsing. |
| 20:32.31 | Jamash | all I really want is the ability to decompose macros accurately |
| 20:32.59 | Jamash | I wrote a primitive macro lexer but it fails on spells with parentheses in their names (druid stuff) |
| 20:33.54 | nevcairiel | those also fail the blizz lexer, thats why we have to do Faerie Fire (Feral)() to indicate that (Feral) is not the rank |
| 20:34.26 | Jamash | yeah I know |
| 20:34.58 | nevcairiel | btw, anyone else seeing an increased volume of spam today? |
| 20:34.59 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: well, come 4.0, that won't be an issue any more :P |
| 20:35.04 | Jamash | true dat |
| 20:35.06 | nevcairiel | (mail spam) |
| 20:35.17 | Mnc | string:match("str") returns the word with the str in it? :S |
| 20:35.18 | nevcairiel | my gmail spam folder is growing pretty fast |
| 20:35.29 | Jamash | no |
| 20:35.54 | Jamash | lua> string.match("str", "string") |
| 20:35.55 | lua_bot | Jamash: nil |
| 20:35.57 | Jamash | oops |
| 20:36.25 | Jamash | lua> string.match("(str)", "string") |
| 20:36.25 | lua_bot | Jamash: nil |
| 20:36.38 | Jamash | lua> string.match("string", "str") |
| 20:36.38 | lua_bot | Jamash: str |
| 20:36.38 | nevcairiel | lua> string.match("string", "str") |
| 20:36.39 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: str |
| 20:36.41 | Jamash | there we go |
| 20:37.15 | Mnc | I'm just looking for a method that will check if a string contains a substring, and will then return a bool :P |
| 20:37.21 | Jamash | you want string.find |
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| 20:38.13 | Maldivia | lua> string.find("Som(e thing", "m(e", 1) |
| 20:38.13 | lua_bot | Maldivia: nil |
| 20:38.14 | Jamash | lua> string.find("some string with stuff in it", "with", 1, true) |
| 20:38.14 | lua_bot | Jamash: 13, 16 |
| 20:38.27 | Maldivia | lua> string.find("Som(e thing", "m(e", 1, 1) |
| 20:38.27 | lua_bot | Maldivia: 3, 5 |
| 20:39.09 | Mnc | Hmmm |
| 20:39.13 | Arrowmaster | or string.match |
| 20:39.16 | Mnc | lua> ( string.find("str") > 0 ) |
| 20:39.16 | lua_bot | Mnc: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'find' (string expected, got no value) |
| 20:39.24 | nevcairiel | string match does the same thing |
| 20:39.34 | nevcairiel | nil for false, anything else for true =p |
| 20:39.59 | Jamash | yeah |
| 20:40.18 | Mnc | So, I can use: "if ( msg:match("inv") != nil ) then" ? |
| 20:40.30 | Jamash | != nil is redundant |
| 20:40.37 | nevcairiel | just do "if msg:match("inv") then" |
| 20:40.54 | Mnc | Aha, then it does as I had hoped |
| 20:41.02 | Jamash | the only things that are false in lua are nil and false |
| 20:41.33 | Mnc | Where I come from, null != false :P |
| 20:42.00 | Arrowmaster | lua> 0 == false |
| 20:42.00 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: false |
| 20:42.03 | Arrowmaster | wee |
| 20:42.03 | nevcairiel | huh, most languages i know, null is treated as being false when used as boolean |
| 20:42.04 | Fisker | ....................... |
| 20:42.13 | Jamash | lua> nil == false |
| 20:42.13 | lua_bot | Jamash: false |
| 20:42.18 | Fisker | so we're wiping at 1% at putricide (it's a pug our dps fails) |
| 20:42.29 | nevcairiel | arent you dps? |
| 20:42.34 | Fisker | yep |
| 20:42.35 | Arrowmaster | lua> 0 and true or false |
| 20:42.35 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: true |
| 20:42.38 | Fisker | (i'm not failing btw) |
| 20:42.40 | Arrowmaster | lua> nil and true or false |
| 20:42.40 | nevcairiel | so, you fail |
| 20:42.40 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: false |
| 20:42.46 | Fisker | but then one dps suggests he has to do shadow's edge |
| 20:42.50 | Fisker | + a dps leaves |
| 20:42.54 | Fisker | so sure we can do putricide now |
| 20:42.56 | Fisker | durr |
| 20:43.47 | Adys | Cidaewafsrlkk dammit |
| 20:43.52 | Adys | anyone good with qt? |
| 20:44.58 | Mnc | Ehm, next problem. Which method should I look into if I want to catch a whisper and pass its message and the whisperers playername onto another method? |
| 20:45.26 | Arrowmaster | !api CHAT_MSG_WHISPER |
| 20:45.26 | lua_bot | CHAT_MSG_WHISPER: Fires when the player receives a whisper from a player character (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_WHISPER) |
| 20:45.27 | Mnc | Or, function. :P |
| 20:45.40 | Jamash | or, event |
| 20:45.54 | Mnc | Right :P |
| 20:46.14 | Jamash | I <3 events |
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| 20:48.17 | Mnc | So, could it work something like this? if ( event == "CHAT_MSG_WHISPER" ) then MyAddon_MessageHandler(message, sender) |
| 20:48.23 | Mnc | in OnEvent |
| 20:48.53 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 20:49.38 | Mnc | Does the calls arg names have to match the functions arg names? They've matched in every addon I can remember digging through |
| 20:49.45 | Tyrant91101 | I'm a programmer looking to do some work in WoW addons, I was wondering, is there any way to store data on an external server such as for a guild exclusive auction house or something? |
| 20:50.05 | Jamash | nope |
| 20:50.14 | Mnc | I don't believe addons can talk to anything but the game and your SavedVariabels |
| 20:50.14 | Jamash | that was directed at Mnc |
| 20:50.39 | Tyrant91101 | mnc, can you share data between clients sort of like p2p? |
| 20:50.50 | Mnc | 99.9% sure, No. |
| 20:50.52 | Jamash | Tyrant91101: to some extent, yes |
| 20:51.07 | Jamash | however you have to be careful not to bog down the client |
| 20:51.07 | Mnc | Well, in addon chats i suppose |
| 20:51.13 | nevcairiel | You can send text messages around |
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| 20:51.20 | nevcairiel | basically |
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| 20:51.49 | nevcairiel | decentralized storage has been tried before, dont think anyone ever finished a project |
| 20:52.05 | Dashkal | sheds a tear for nexus |
| 20:52.05 | Mnc | Sharing data in my head is still actual data, like objects. :D Not strings in chat, hehe. |
| 20:52.38 | Lunessa | *cry* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25002150025&sid=1 - let's do lots and lots of work on every chat event... |
| 20:52.45 | nevcairiel | you can serialize objects =) |
| 20:52.53 | Tyrant91101 | hmm so no way to have guild specific persistent data? |
| 20:53.13 | Dashkal | I thought GEM used decentralized storage? |
| 20:53.15 | Jamash | There's no server-side data storage |
| 20:53.23 | Jamash | You can pass data from client to client |
| 20:53.27 | Mnc | Oh well, I guess it's time to see if my addon works. (aka crash my client, i'm sure) |
| 20:53.37 | nevcairiel | You can use some guild fields, like the guild info panel |
| 20:53.42 | nevcairiel | but it is not unlimited |
| 20:53.50 | nevcairiel | and people might want to use it for something real :p |
| 20:53.55 | Jamash | yeah |
| 20:53.57 | Tyrant91101 | yaeh that wouldnt work |
| 20:54.11 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 20:54.14 | Fisker | bitchduck'd |
| 20:54.16 | Tyrant91101 | Whats the max size for mail? |
| 20:55.04 | Mnc | Start typing, find out ;D |
| 20:55.20 | Lunessa | It's pitifully small. |
| 20:55.23 | Fisker | 255 bytes i believe |
| 20:55.27 | Tyrant91101 | and chat may work, as long as you ahve it check in with every online guild member every 5 minutes and only update the items that have changed |
| 20:55.52 | nevcairiel | except if everyone is offline, and someone with old data logs on |
| 20:56.18 | Tyrant91101 | That'll be a problem, yes |
| 20:56.19 | Tyrant91101 | ":P |
| 20:56.59 | Mnc | malformed number :o |
| 20:57.06 | Mnc | it's a string damn you |
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| 20:57.32 | Jamash | Lua does not do string <-> number interconversion |
| 20:57.45 | Jamash | at least, not automatically |
| 20:57.58 | Tyrant91101 | but if you use it fors omething like what services a person can provide and somehow linking them, then outdated info might not be that much of a problem |
| 20:57.59 | Jamash | lua> "5" + 3 |
| 20:57.59 | lua_bot | Jamash: 8 |
| 20:58.02 | Jamash | :-O |
| 20:58.07 | nevcairiel | owned |
| 20:58.08 | Jamash | never mind |
| 20:58.13 | Mnc | well I made a version var, for funsies, and assigned 0.0.1 |
| 20:58.15 | Jamash | hides in a corner |
| 20:58.27 | Mnc | and it calls me a malformed number |
| 20:58.37 | nevcairiel | did you put it in quotes, too? :) |
| 20:58.59 | Mnc | gnaws fingers off |
| 20:59.20 | Tyrant91101 | Also, for items, if you have a timeout length like in the AH it would also help with that |
| 20:59.26 | Jamash | I must be thinking of something else |
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| 21:00.14 | Mnc | How do I make lua pass normal commands to the chat :S /dance doesn't work |
| 21:00.52 | Mnc | well not the chat per se, but you get the idea :D |
| 21:01.30 | Mnc | if (blabla) then /dance end, it then says / is unexpected |
| 21:01.57 | Jamash | hmm |
| 21:02.14 | |Jelly| | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_DoEmote |
| 21:02.35 | Jamash | yeah that |
| 21:04.45 | Tyrant91101 | Also, can mods link to someone else's profession and show it to the user? |
| 21:04.57 | Tyrant91101 | Like, if the person is offline and you want to see their proffession? |
| 21:05.17 | Jamash | yes |
| 21:05.27 | Mnc | How about regular commands like /promote, then? |
| 21:05.29 | Jamash | if they've already linked it to you, you can store the link |
| 21:06.01 | Tyrant91101 | Does the user have to click on the link or can the mod do it behind the scenes? |
| 21:06.26 | Nechckn | Tyrant91101 there is one that will do that for you, yes. LilSparky makes it |
| 21:06.26 | Jamash | I suggest perusing http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 21:07.26 | Nechckn | There it is http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/gnomishyellowpages.aspx |
| 21:07.43 | Nechckn | Works like a charm, harvests any links sent without any interaction. |
| 21:08.42 | Tyrant91101 | Alright thanks |
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| 21:09.32 | Fisker | lol |
| 21:09.38 | Fisker | we took teh putricide |
| 21:09.47 | Fisker | highest dps is 8,3k |
| 21:09.56 | Fisker | i'm second at 7,4k :P |
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| 21:12.36 | Antiarc | http://pastie.org/968376 :) |
| 21:13.08 | Jamash | aww yeah |
| 21:13.21 | Jamash | I've been wishing for an xml auctionhouse feed for years |
| 21:17.56 | Fisker | i am disappoint Antiarc |
| 21:18.05 | Fisker | anyway tell me when you made the first bot for the auction house |
| 21:18.50 | Fisker | also Antiarc |
| 21:18.53 | Fisker | where's my frozen yoghurt? |
| 21:19.41 | Antiarc | mwahahahaha |
| 21:20.00 | Antiarc | check this hotness out |
| 21:20.13 | Antiarc | once it poastes |
| 21:20.16 | cbreak | The Game clients and the Service (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialogue, catch phrases, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, documentation, *in-game chat transcripts*, character profile information, recordings or replays of Games, and the Game client and server software) are |
| 21:20.16 | cbreak | copyrighted works owned by Blizzard and its licensors. |
| 21:20.27 | cbreak | Interesting. |
| 21:20.29 | Fisker | wha Antiarc ? |
| 21:20.30 | Shirik | you just lost the game |
| 21:21.27 | Jamash | http://xkcd.com/391/ |
| 21:21.50 | cbreak | http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/about/termsofuse-new.html |
| 21:21.55 | cbreak | I don't think that's enforcable. |
| 21:22.12 | Jamash | probably isn't |
| 21:22.41 | Nechckn | Most of them are not... especially not globally, but it never hurts to try. |
| 21:22.46 | Thunder_Child | 'moral rights' heh |
| 21:22.48 | Antiarc | All of my internets are slow today :( |
| 21:22.48 | Alram | cbreak, catch phrases |
| 21:22.49 | Alram | TIRION |
| 21:22.51 | Alram | sue me. |
| 21:23.07 | cbreak | I am not blizzard |
| 21:23.14 | cbreak | nor am I USIan |
| 21:23.18 | Dagmar | What part of it do you think isn't enforceable? |
| 21:23.34 | cbreak | the part where they claim to have a copyright on what I say in in-game chat. |
| 21:23.40 | Antiarc | http://pastey.net/136645 |
| 21:23.44 | Nechckn | sniffles about never being able to use "I got what you need." when working the street corner. |
| 21:23.48 | cbreak | first, to have copyright of something, it has to be copyright worthy |
| 21:23.50 | Antiarc | JSON, bee-yotches! |
| 21:23.55 | cbreak | most game-chat content is not. |
| 21:24.26 | Dagmar | Which section is that in? |
| 21:24.36 | cbreak | 9.1 |
| 21:24.45 | cbreak | you can use text search for the part I C&P |
| 21:25.08 | Dagmar | I searched for "copyright". It's in 9.1, but it does not appear to claim copyright on the things you say in-game. |
| 21:25.23 | cbreak | how would you interpret |
| 21:25.30 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:25.51 | Nechckn | perhaps the actual files, themselves |
| 21:25.52 | Dagmar | That's a catch-all. |
| 21:26.05 | cbreak | files can't be copyrighted |
| 21:26.15 | Dagmar | In the states, that would be a fall-back because you automatically own the copyright on things you say |
| 21:26.25 | Dagmar | well, "say" as in write |
| 21:26.38 | cbreak | here, you can't own copyright of something that's not of at least basic artistic level |
| 21:26.39 | Jamash | "concepts" |
| 21:26.41 | Jamash | lol |
| 21:26.48 | Jamash | you cannot copyright a concept |
| 21:26.50 | cbreak | the level is fairly low |
| 21:26.56 | zenzelezz | it annoys me that there's an "Exit now" button... but no "Logout now" |
| 21:27.00 | Dagmar | Now, the exchange between you and an NPC... the dialog the NPC says is still theirs. Your words are yours. |
| 21:27.10 | cbreak | anyway |
| 21:27.14 | cbreak | I don't think it's enforceable |
| 21:27.20 | Nechckn | But, you likely give away your rights in another portion. |
| 21:27.47 | Jamash | it's standard unenforceable psuedolegal TOS BS |
| 21:27.50 | Dagmar | They wouldn't be encforcing that on *your* words, but they do hold the copyright on the things the NPCs say |
| 21:28.12 | cbreak | does the NPC spam even enter chat logs? |
| 21:28.29 | Dagmar | Yeah, if you're logging all chat events |
| 21:28.33 | Antiarc | yesssssssssss |
| 21:28.37 | Jamash | they claim everything they can think of and include a severability clause stating if any of it is thrown out the rest still applies |
| 21:28.43 | Dagmar | The more important thing is that it definitely appears on *spoiler sites* |
| 21:28.48 | Antiarc | http://pastie.org/968402 |
| 21:28.57 | Antiarc | Check that hotness out. |
| 21:29.00 | Jamash | and there's no penalty for them claiming to own things they don't and can't |
| 21:29.09 | Dagmar | Blizzard would probably have done something about that business of RoM stealing the Green Hills of Stranglethorn quest if the quest didn't represent something they actually detest |
| 21:29.41 | Dagmar | "Oh you want to steal the bad parts? Well... You're welcome." |
| 21:29.55 | Fisker | Antiarc exploits? |
| 21:30.39 | Dagmar | Not an exploit |
| 21:30.54 | Dagmar | Just expect that there's asians already working on that around the clock in order to take all the loose gold now |
| 21:31.12 | Dagmar | ...and thus ends the amateur leagues |
| 21:32.21 | Jamash | it's not like you couldn't log in, do an AH scan, log out and parse the logs |
| 21:32.40 | cbreak | you don't need to log in anymore |
| 21:32.43 | cbreak | soon |
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| 21:32.57 | Dagmar | Jamash: For each server, one at a time? |
| 21:33.07 | Nechckn | To access it you still need to log in. |
| 21:33.09 | Dagmar | YOu had to do it manually before, or at least bot it |
| 21:33.13 | Jamash | run 250 copies of wow |
| 21:33.26 | Dagmar | Now you can just automate it |
| 21:33.50 | Jamash | but can you get the entire contents of the AH, or just one query at a time via the web interface? |
| 21:34.04 | Nechckn | Still do not see why it is not https... silly them. |
| 21:34.21 | Fisker | anyway Antiarc |
| 21:34.22 | sylvanaar | i like the iphone client |
| 21:34.22 | Mnc | Hmmm :( |
| 21:34.23 | Dagmar | cuz https accellerator cards are kinda pricey |
| 21:34.33 | Mnc | Whats wrong here? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136651 - besides the missing closing end |
| 21:34.43 | Arrowmaster | wait, you login to the web AH using http instead of https? |
| 21:35.06 | Antiarc | It's https, why? |
| 21:35.29 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure it's like the rest of the stuff tho, with auth going over https OOB |
| 21:35.36 | Nechckn | was looking from an acct that is not on a test server, so it was saying http all along. |
| 21:36.25 | haste | Mnc: your event handler lacks arguments (self, event, ...) |
| 21:36.30 | Nechckn | Does it change when you make the actual query, Antiarc? |
| 21:36.41 | Fisker | anyway Antiarc can you switch between any realm without having a character there? |
| 21:37.16 | Arrowmaster | Mnc: try this http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136652-34jl:136651-1out |
| 21:37.16 | Antiarc | Fisker: Dunno |
| 21:37.17 | Antiarc | http://pastie.org/968414 |
| 21:37.27 | Antiarc | But I can do searches and store them in mongodb now |
| 21:37.34 | Antiarc | So I can do all kinds of fun analysis on that data |
| 21:37.39 | augustl | anyone know of some small-ish open source Microsoft Visual C++ projects that I can use to learn how this stuff works? |
| 21:37.45 | Dagmar | Fisker: I suspect you have to have a toon on that realm and faction |
| 21:37.50 | Fisker | which you will share with me Antiarc of course |
| 21:37.54 | augustl | wowhead client type small |
| 21:37.57 | Fisker | yeah that's what i figured as well Dagmar |
| 21:38.09 | Fisker | it's just that i didn't see any character-specific info there |
| 21:38.15 | Fisker | which is why i asked if he used teh sploits |
| 21:38.25 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm staring at the screen now telling me my server isn't in that beta yet, and I'll be f**k'd if I can remember how to change toons on the Armory |
| 21:38.26 | cbreak | "12.1 No Violation of Laws. You agree that you will not, in connection with your use of a Game client or the Service, violate any applicable law or regulation." Funny... |
| 21:38.48 | cbreak | if someone gets caught violating the law, the loss of the battle.net account might be the least of his worries... |
| 21:38.50 | Dagmar | I'll have to fire up the client and look to see WTF the names of my toons on other servers are |
| 21:38.57 | Fisker | it's really annoying they don't make a diff tool or something for it cbreak |
| 21:39.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (~Lopeppepp@cpe-67-252-44-53.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 21:39.08 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 21:39.09 | cbreak | yeah... |
| 21:39.12 | Arrowmaster | Mnc: actually this is better, http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136652-34jl:136651-1out you dont want to be doing that in PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD since that happens more than once |
| 21:39.14 | cbreak | it's as if they don't want us to read it |
| 21:39.16 | Dagmar | cbreak: Yes, but this also means the police can expect automatic cooperation if someone is say _selling pot in trade chat_ |
| 21:39.28 | ZorbaBeta | cbreak, that's like the Apple EULAs that mention you're not allowed to use iTunes for building WMDs |
| 21:39.30 | Dagmar | cbreak: ...and before you laugh, such things have happened before in other games. |
| 21:39.58 | Jamash | I heard a specific story about a criminal getting tracked down via his wow account |
| 21:40.11 | Fisker | Blizzard have been pretty open with giving out info |
| 21:40.27 | Dagmar | Jamash: Yeah same here |
| 21:40.28 | Jamash | http://kotaku.com/5437861/blizzard-helps-cops-track-down-wow-fan-suspected-drug-dealer |
| 21:40.37 | Dagmar | There was someone on EQ selling weed like that |
| 21:40.43 | Fisker | There was a case a few months ago where Blizzard complied with authorities without the authorities actually having a warrant for it |
| 21:40.52 | Fisker | that one yeah |
| 21:40.54 | Dagmar | Fisker: Dpeends on what they were doing |
| 21:41.05 | Dagmar | Like, even Hushmail will roll on people for some things |
| 21:41.06 | Mnc | Does the "function call() end" part of line three look doable, Arrowmaster? Looks weird to me, but found it in another lua :P It worked there, hehe |
| 21:41.15 | cbreak | can't have been a severe delict if they didn't get a warrant... |
| 21:41.23 | Dagmar | particularly when the feds show up with hard evidence that one of hushmails customers was trading childporn |
| 21:41.27 | Arrowmaster | Mnc: yeah its fine |
| 21:41.28 | Mnc | Ah, it responds to / commands ! |
| 21:41.43 | Fisker | sure Dagmar i can accept that |
| 21:41.51 | Fisker | but i'm generally a fan of the proper procedures |
| 21:41.52 | cbreak | Dagmar: yeah, but the difference is that hushmail ideally can't even decrypt the mailbox |
| 21:41.55 | cbreak | so nothing to give |
| 21:42.21 | Jamash | but they can give out IP logs |
| 21:42.23 | Dagmar | cbreak: They can if you piss them off enough |
| 21:42.38 | cbreak | I read they use client side crypto |
| 21:42.44 | Dagmar | Unless you encrypted that mail yourself so there's only crypographic data going in and out of there, tehy can roll on you |
| 21:42.50 | cbreak | so they'd have to disable that, or replace the client with something compromised |
| 21:43.05 | cbreak | yeah, it is encrypted by your client |
| 21:43.06 | Antiarc | Oh neat |
| 21:43.11 | Antiarc | We can get the full mailbox in json |
| 21:43.14 | cbreak | I think they use a java applet |
| 21:43.24 | Jamash | they say on the front page "email is encrypted and spam/virus scanned" |
| 21:43.26 | cbreak | never used it myself though |
| 21:43.35 | Fisker | you better make something awesome with it Antiarc |
| 21:43.36 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: limited to 50 items or the 'full' mailbox? |
| 21:43.38 | Fisker | the world is counting on you |
| 21:43.42 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: 50 |
| 21:43.45 | Dagmar | Lemme put it this way |
| 21:43.45 | Jamash | well, they can't spam/virus scan it if they don't have access to the text |
| 21:43.46 | Fisker | according to screenshots yeah |
| 21:43.48 | cbreak | wonder how they manage that... |
| 21:44.00 | Dagmar | The Hushmail people built Hushmail. They can make that system do anything they want. |
| 21:44.31 | ZorbaBeta | jamash, presumably they scan it, and then encrypt it and throw away the unencrypted versiona |
| 21:44.33 | ZorbaBeta | *version |
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| 21:44.51 | cbreak | maybe they only scan incomming e-mail |
| 21:44.52 | ZorbaBeta | that means they could intercept future mail, but if the cops show up and say "hey, he got an email two days ago, give it to us" they'd shrug and say "no can do" |
| 21:44.56 | cbreak | (that's unencrypted anyway= |
| 21:44.59 | Arrowmaster | unless you are doing end to end encryption with the person you are communicating with via email, they will see everything |
| 21:45.14 | Jamash | at which point you could use any email service |
| 21:45.46 | Dagmar | ...and if you have a beef about childporn (which most people do) you've got a lot of incentive to throw in some special code for a user or two if the fuxx tips you off that you have sleazebag users |
| 21:46.09 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, I suspect they would keep things as secure as possible, actually. |
| 21:46.14 | ZorbaBeta | their reputation is their lifeblood. |
| 21:46.14 | Dagmar | They do. |
| 21:46.21 | Fisker | i'd rather not compromise principles for child porn |
| 21:46.25 | Jamash | If I was doing something I didn't want anyone else knowing about, I'd use GPG |
| 21:46.27 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.33 | ZorbaBeta | so that "special code" would probably not be put in until it was legally mandated. |
| 21:46.40 | Fisker | Unfortunately it's a popular tool for idiots like MPAA, RIAA, etc. |
| 21:47.18 | cbreak | GPG only protects content |
| 21:47.28 | cbreak | connections can still be easily tracked obviously |
| 21:47.45 | Jamash | true of any server based system |
| 21:47.49 | cbreak | there aren't many services who protect against that |
| 21:48.01 | cbreak | only Tor, freenetproject, things like taht |
| 21:48.06 | cbreak | IIP if it still exists |
| 21:48.20 | Jamash | ok, so GPG and Tor |
| 21:51.06 | Jamash | http://frontalot.com/index.php/?page=lyrics&lyricid=41 |
| 21:51.33 | Nechckn | Haha.. at least one person is saying they bought a bunch of stuff, yet no G was removed from their account. |
| 21:51.42 | Nechckn | And it has been a while, I guess. |
| 21:52.06 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.57 | Fisker | btw Antiarc |
| 21:53.05 | Fisker | i didn't see your pasteys in detail |
| 21:53.20 | Fisker | do they have more accurate info than more than 24 hours, 12-24, 2-12, or less than 2 hours? |
| 21:53.33 | Mnc | Does usage of the CHAT_MSG_WHISPER event have to be registered? |
| 21:53.44 | Mnc | In any way :S |
| 21:53.48 | Jamash | yes |
| 21:54.01 | Jamash | you have to register for any event you want your frame to pick up |
| 21:58.12 | Antiarc | Fisker: No, don't think so |
| 21:58.36 | Fisker | :( |
| 21:58.45 | Fisker | can i hate you then? |
| 21:58.50 | Fisker | it's obviously your fault |
| 22:01.50 | DWSR | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1279525/Igor--Grichka-Bogdanoff-French-twins-unrecognisable-plastic-surgery.html |
| 22:02.30 | zenzelezz | that's the third or fourth time that's linked today :-p |
| 22:02.41 | Jamash | creepy |
| 22:03.43 | Dagmar | Jesus I have got to preorder |
| 22:03.51 | Dagmar | My ex just got her SCII beta invite |
| 22:04.11 | DWSR | Dagmar: lulz. |
| 22:04.19 | DWSR | I got a key from a little birdie in channel. |
| 22:04.39 | Dagmar | Prolly 'cuz she's got a mac |
| 22:05.09 | Fisker | lol Dagmar |
| 22:05.19 | Fisker | 11 days until the beta closes for now |
| 22:05.30 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle snark* |
| 22:05.37 | Dagmar | I know. |
| 22:05.53 | Dagmar | I shoudln't complain, since the only thing that's been keeping me out has been that I've been too lazy to pre-order |
| 22:06.19 | Fisker | I got my preorder beta key a week ago or so |
| 22:06.27 | Dagmar | I'm still wading through this CivIV campaign anyway |
| 22:06.33 | DWSR | Bah. |
| 22:06.34 | Fisker | which is nice since the place i got my preorder at filed for bankruptcy |
| 22:06.36 | DWSR | I want HL2EP3. |
| 22:06.38 | Dagmar | Goddamn Sumerians are *tough* to wipe out |
| 22:06.38 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 22:06.54 | Dagmar | Time to break out the nukes |
| 22:07.51 | zenzelezz | "Ubisoft announces five new MMOs "in development"" - hey guys, maybe if we flood the market, someone will play one of our games! |
| 22:07.54 | DWSR | Dagmar: Can't you just break out a (singular) machine gun and kill them all? |
| 22:08.08 | DWSR | You lost me at "Ubisoft |
| 22:08.34 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 22:08.42 | Dagmar | DWSR: Considering that machine gunners can only defend? No. |
| 22:09.01 | DWSR | Dagmar: This is Sumeria we're talking about. |
| 22:09.03 | pnorman | There aren't any problems that a few tactical nukes can't solved |
| 22:09.05 | pnorman | solve |
| 22:09.05 | DWSR | Sticks and stones and all that. |
| 22:09.17 | DWSR | pnorman: Nuclear fallout, akshully. |
| 22:09.24 | pnorman | You're just not using enough |
| 22:09.26 | Dagmar | I pushed *hard* on my cities economies, so the rapidity with which my cities roll stuff out means I got cannons, rolled them out, and had *tanks* ready by the time they got there |
| 22:09.43 | Dagmar | Everythings doing research because everything else is BUILT at this point |
| 22:09.49 | DWSR | anyway, bbl |
| 22:10.06 | Dagmar | So, since I just got The Manhattan Project, I can nuke them before the tanks probably get there. |
| 22:10.24 | Dagmar | ...and they're pissing me off becuase they've held that southern third of the continent I've been wanting for awhile now |
| 22:10.34 | pnorman | Which map? |
| 22:10.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i hate using nukes in civ >< |
| 22:10.48 | Dagmar | Continental, next to largest |
| 22:11.04 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah I don't like using them, but I'm getting impatient and these guys attacked me twice |
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| 22:11.08 | pnorman | You know, CivIV brings my system to its knees in a way not much else does |
| 22:11.34 | Dagmar | Yeah with the extra large map, it bogs my 4850e with 4GB RAM |
| 22:11.44 | Lunessa | pnorman: lots and lots of units. |
| 22:12.04 | Dagmar | Might go faster if I turned off animations and enemy movement, but then I'd have more of that 'suprise armada' crap going on |
| 22:12.34 | pnorman | if you do that you'll also sometimes find your system hanging end-game on computer turns |
| 22:13.02 | Dagmar | What I should probably do is actually *read* about what makes city borders push out |
| 22:13.13 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Culture. |
| 22:13.15 | Dagmar | Clearly the AI knows, since I have some edge cities which sit in a little nook |
| 22:13.24 | Thunder_Child | much culture |
| 22:13.25 | Lunessa | You need to build libraries, catherrals, etc. |
| 22:13.27 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yeah, but I gotta be missing something, like pushing sliders up |
| 22:13.34 | Dagmar | I've built *everythign* |
| 22:13.43 | Thunder_Child | it takes a while at the top end |
| 22:13.46 | Thunder_Child | a long while |
| 22:13.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 22:13.47 | Lunessa | The rest is a function of time and entertainers. |
| 22:14.12 | pnorman | And civics |
| 22:14.21 | Dagmar | I probably need to click the sliders to make the cities focus on generating more than the usual amount of culture |
| 22:14.26 | Fisker | so Antiarc |
| 22:14.29 | pnorman | Most wonders provide culture |
| 22:14.34 | Fisker | go get me a cup of froyo |
| 22:14.45 | Lunessa | Universities, cathedrals, entertainers, government type, all play a factor. And you need SHIT TONS at end game. |
| 22:14.45 | NightHawkTheSane | also, you can use some great people to provide bursts of culture |
| 22:14.47 | Dagmar | I'm miles ahead of the other races |
| 22:14.58 | NightHawkTheSane | at the end-game its less effective, but it can help |
| 22:15.04 | Dagmar | I'm rocking nukes now and they're still using riflemen |
| 22:15.26 | Lunessa | If you're going for the cultural victory - you HAVE to be dominant in the early eras. |
| 22:15.29 | Dagmar | Probably just that I've been emphasizing tech instead of culture is the issue |
| 22:15.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i've still never gotten a cultural victory. it's kind of a bitch |
| 22:15.50 | pnorman | Actually, wonders provide a lot of culture - I had a game where I had my wonders in two cities and needed a 3rd for cultural victory, used my highest production city |
| 22:16.12 | Dagmar | I am unamused that I started this Beyond the Sword campaign, which supposedly added things to the technology tree for modern warfare, and they're not showing up |
| 22:16.14 | pnorman | for cultural it really helps to have early wonders |
| 22:16.18 | Dagmar | Looks like the same civipedia as before to me |
| 22:16.21 | Lunessa | Yeah. |
| 22:16.33 | Dagmar | Dumb old "Future Tech" |
| 22:16.37 | pnorman | They added missile cruisers, guided missiles |
| 22:16.40 | pnorman | tactical nukes |
| 22:16.55 | Dagmar | I expected to see about a third more categories added, not a handful of new units |
| 22:17.11 | Dagmar | I like that Al Gore's face is on the Internets icon |
| 22:17.13 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 22:17.47 | Lunessa | If I'm cranking out the culture early, the trick is lots of cities, optimally placed, building all the 'useless shit' that doesn't lead to guns and nukes very early. It's a slow, slow painful way to win. I've managed it once. |
| 22:18.51 | Dagmar | I remember in Civ3 having a way to use spies to make a city convert to you |
| 22:18.53 | pnorman | I find going for it leaves you militarly weak at about macemen |
| 22:19.00 | pnorman | CivII had that, never played 3 |
| 22:19.02 | Dagmar | In Civ4 mainly I get new cities that immediately plead ot join someone else |
| 22:19.06 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 22:19.19 | Dagmar | "Hell no, I'm the one running things here!" |
| 22:19.27 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Because your culture value is lower than the enemy's. |
| 22:19.28 | pnorman | you can just ignore it on new cities - should go away fairly quickly unless you've placed them right on a boarder |
| 22:19.54 | NightHawkTheSane | even if you do place it on a border, you can usually ignore it, unless you completely slack off on building culture buildings |
| 22:19.55 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yeah I need to look this culture thing up. *Just* building hte structures is having the AI beat me there |
| 22:20.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i think depending on what religions are in the city helps too, also depending on your civics |
| 22:20.44 | Dagmar | I so seriously worked on the workers and the economics that the last five cities I threw up built their first seven or eight things in one turn each |
| 22:20.45 | Lunessa | Yeah. Since you're at tac-nukes already, I'm guessing you didn't go for the non-tech wonders and the early adoption of modern government styles. |
| 22:20.57 | Dagmar | Hey I *like* monarchy |
| 22:20.59 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 22:21.01 | pnorman | lol |
| 22:21.05 | Lopeppeppy | Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. |
| 22:21.09 | Dagmar | My land is run by Emperor Me |
| 22:21.11 | NightHawkTheSane | monarchy -is- pretty awesome, actually |
| 22:21.13 | Lopeppeppy | hides under Lunessa's desk. |
| 22:21.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i always find it rough switching away from that |
| 22:21.24 | pnorman | I find that civics except for free speech don't have a huge impact on going for culture |
| 22:21.27 | Lunessa | Peppy dear, since you're down there anyway... |
| 22:21.35 | Fisker | hvad så der Lopeppeppy ? |
| 22:21.42 | pnorman | I like representation early if I can, but that depends on getting the pyramids |
| 22:21.49 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 22:22.01 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you can pick up the spilled paperclips yourself! |
| 22:22.35 | Lunessa | is foiled again! I'll get you yet, my pretty! |
| 22:22.52 | Dewin | http://github.com/indeyets/syck/blob/master/COPYING is quite possibly the best software license I've ever read. |
| 22:22.58 | pnorman | Last few games I've gone for free market, democracy end game since I've managed to get to the corperations before anyone else and get civ constructions, jewelers, sid's sushi, alumco + 1-2 shrines in one city with wall street |
| 22:23.16 | Lopeppeppy | And my little... cats too. |
| 22:23.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Bibi (~Bibi@AVelizy-151-1-20-4.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:23.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Bibi (~Bibi@unaffiliated/bibi) |
| 22:23.49 | pnorman | I had a city generating >1.2k with 0% in wealth |
| 22:24.10 | Mnc | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136654 Can anyone halp :( Can't get events to work... The messy bit at the top is from a wowwiki guide :P |
| 22:25.12 | foxlit | Mnc: event names are strings |
| 22:25.16 | foxlit | You need to put them in quotes. |
| 22:25.23 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 22:25.28 | foxlit | hey Fisker. |
| 22:25.36 | foxlit | Any idea what the DF kittens are doing on busses? |
| 22:25.48 | Fisker | naw |
| 22:26.21 | Lopeppeppy | Going to the Def Leppard concert? |
| 22:27.19 | foxlit | http://www.dyreneharenstemme.dk/ |
| 22:27.25 | foxlit | just seems so random. |
| 22:28.47 | Fisker | indeeed |
| 22:32.01 | Lunessa | How does a duck know which direction South is? And how to tell his wife from all the other ducks? |
| 22:32.37 | Lopeppeppy | Courage. |
| 22:32.40 | Dagmar | 1. Sensors in their brains. 2. Scent discrimination, mainly |
| 22:33.16 | Mnc | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136656 Comments now? |
| 22:33.52 | Mnc | Is there any problems with the event registrations or something perhabs? I never get any debug messages |
| 22:34.13 | Lunessa | "http://crashtestdummies.com/" "How Does a Duck Know" |
| 22:35.15 | Lopeppeppy | oh yay, my favorite used book store is not going to carry perfumes after all. Excellent news. |
| 22:35.15 | foxlit | InvToInv_OnEvent is basically never used |
| 22:35.37 | foxlit | You just declare it, but never reference or call it. |
| 22:35.58 | foxlit | the event handler at the top (13-23) works, though |
| 22:36.14 | foxlit | however, message and sender are nil on 16 because you haven't declared those variables |
| 22:36.27 | foxlit | Instead, you get event arguments as part of the vararg expression |
| 22:36.59 | foxlit | the slash command probably works. |
| 22:37.31 | Mnc | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_WHISPER <- how would I go about pulling message and sender from chat_msg_whisper? :s |
| 22:38.07 | Mnc | I imagine something along the lines of CHAT_MSG_WHISPER["message"] |
| 22:38.31 | pnorman | fwiw, if you're doing this for something other then practice coding, oRA2 has auto-invite on whisper capacity |
| 22:38.51 | Mnc | I'm just trying to get into this really |
| 22:39.18 | Mnc | Make something that works, then study it :P Then repeat with something else |
| 22:41.40 | Lopeppeppy | I'd forgotten that about oRA2, honestly. May be a good snippet of code to look at, pick apart, and then see if you can reproduce on your own. |
| 22:41.55 | foxlit | Mnc: I imagine something along the lines of CHAT_MSG_WHISPER["message"] << no. |
| 22:42.16 | foxlit | local message = ...; in your event handler should do the trick. |
| 22:42.46 | foxlit | alternatively, just change its signature from ... to message, sender, ... |
| 22:43.51 | Mnc | Assuming you mean on 15 |
| 22:44.04 | foxlit | yes. |
| 22:44.51 | Mnc | "They can't join our group" |
| 22:44.54 | Mnc | dances |
| 22:46.42 | Mnc | So, basically the entire OnEvent bit is just eating precious bytes :D |
| 22:47.48 | pnorman | If you wanted to expand it a bit, could make it so you could change the keyword and save it between sessions |
| 22:48.18 | pnorman | It'll get you to writing code to handle saving stuff which is important for most addons |
| 22:48.28 | Mnc | true |
| 22:49.05 | Mnc | but for now i think i'll just add the checks i made variables for as the 2nd line i wrote :D and add a raidconvert true/false var, etc |
| 22:49.21 | pnorman | Though it wasn't important for ztdkp until about 2 months after my first release |
| 22:49.22 | Mnc | this took a few more hours than I had intended, hehe |
| 22:49.29 | pnorman | Anyways, off to burn some stuff |
| 22:49.33 | Mnc | enjoy! |
| 22:51.24 | Adys | Anyone owns an iphone and has 10 mins spare? |
| 22:53.58 | Cide | if you send me one I will |
| 22:56.29 | Nechckn | Adys I can fire up the touch, to help, but none of my characters are on test servers. |
| 22:57.05 | Adys | er |
| 22:57.13 | Adys | i need to know if there is some Keychain Access iphone port |
| 22:59.32 | Fisker | 3 |
| 22:59.35 | Fisker | ~seen foxlit |
| 22:59.36 | purl | foxlit is currently on #wowuidev (12h 13m 58s) #wowwiki (12h 13m 58s). Has said a total of 47 messages. Is idling for 15m 32s, last said: 'yes.'. |
| 23:00.31 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 23:00.38 | Fisker | F5 |
| 23:00.43 | Fisker | what about you kd3 ? |
| 23:00.50 | kd3 | what about me? |
| 23:01.09 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Onion&diff=prev&oldid=363095649 |
| 23:01.12 | Shirik | why would you announce this? |
| 23:01.26 | Fisker | why wouldn't you? |
| 23:01.31 | Fisker | F5? |
| 23:02.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (~Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 23:03.56 | Fisker | today we eat frozen yoghurt Shirik ? |
| 23:04.01 | Fisker | IN HELL |
| 23:04.06 | Shirik | o.O |
| 23:04.39 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/4L4Do.png :) |
| 23:05.34 | Fisker | what are seeds for? |
| 23:05.40 | foxlit | Now, the ToS you agree to |
| 23:05.59 | Fisker | go ahead and stop him foxlit |
| 23:06.09 | Fisker | also stop pirating stuff Antiarc |
| 23:06.20 | Antiarc | wat |
| 23:06.23 | foxlit | Do they say that they'll ban you instantly, or will they wait until they can also ban your dog's account? |
| 23:06.30 | Fisker | "7 trackers" |
| 23:06.33 | Fisker | i saw what you did there |
| 23:06.42 | Antiarc | Fisker: Tracking cookies/scripts :P |
| 23:06.44 | Antiarc | That's Ghostery |
| 23:06.52 | Antiarc | http://www.ghostery.com/ |
| 23:07.03 | Antiarc | Also I don't know what the seeds are for |
| 23:07.03 | Fisker | no! |
| 23:07.23 | Fisker | Maybe it's goldseller related stuff? |
| 23:07.37 | Fisker | bah Antiarc |
| 23:07.43 | Fisker | I just read "cookies" |
| 23:07.49 | Fisker | so i thought it was some kind of recipe site |
| 23:07.53 | Fisker | you disappoint me |
| 23:09.20 | Fisker | anyway i'll help you datamine shit! |
| 23:09.29 | Fisker | Atleast when the EU blues wake up and read MMO-Champion tomorrow |
| 23:09.34 | Adys | Nechckn: LOL |
| 23:09.39 | Fisker | "WTF? Remote AH? Why weren't we told!" |
| 23:09.42 | Adys | The iphone configuration utility for windows is in .net |
| 23:09.48 | Adys | what is wrong with apple. |
| 23:09.53 | Nechckn | Wha?!?!? |
| 23:09.58 | Nechckn | That is funny |
| 23:09.58 | Fisker | .net is awesome |
| 23:09.59 | Adys | Yeah no joke here |
| 23:10.16 | Adys | adys@azura:~/tmp/drive_c/Program Files/iPhone Configuration Utility$ WINEPREFIX=/home/adys/tmp/ wine ipcu |
| 23:10.16 | Adys | fixme:actctx:parse_manifest_buffer root element is L"asmv1:assembly", not <assembly> |
| 23:10.16 | Adys | wine: Install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables |
| 23:10.20 | Cide | should have made it in obj c |
| 23:10.38 | Fisker | why would you want to install the iphone configuration utility anyway? |
| 23:10.56 | Adys | Im trying to retrieve a battle net authenticator secret |
| 23:11.05 | Fisker | oh |
| 23:11.11 | Cide | y so serious? |
| 23:12.05 | Fisker | i'm sure Blizzard would be interested :P |
| 23:12.16 | Fisker | been a few posts recently that suggested it was possible |
| 23:13.23 | Dagmar | Sure, if you compromise the auth server with the keys. |
| 23:13.24 | Lopeppeppy | I have no idea what my secret questions are anymore, and TKFT absconded with the original disks, so I'm scrod if anything evil ever happens. |
| 23:13.36 | Fisker | what do you mean Dagmar ? |
| 23:13.36 | cog|work | http://cogwheel.info/wow/CogsBarMcRun.html |
| 23:13.44 | *** join/#wowuidev myrkraverk (~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk) |
| 23:13.56 | Dagmar | If you didn't understand that, there's no point in further explanation. |
| 23:14.02 | Fisker | I think there is |
| 23:14.12 | Fisker | because it looks like you don't understand it at all |
| 23:14.30 | Dagmar | Really? It's possibly time you stopped smoking pot. |
| 23:14.40 | Fisker | Is it? |
| 23:14.42 | foxlit | "Do you ever play WoW on a computer where you can't install addons?" << no :( |
| 23:14.44 | kd3 | whee... vp8 is open source |
| 23:14.51 | foxlit | Now you made me think my life isn't exciting enough. |
| 23:14.52 | Fisker | patents VP8 |
| 23:14.58 | Fisker | closed source, bam! |
| 23:15.03 | Fisker | ruins kd3's day |
| 23:15.04 | Adys | Err |
| 23:15.09 | Adys | by secret |
| 23:15.10 | ZorbaBeta | patents fisker's mom |
| 23:15.21 | Adys | I meant the secret transferred when the authenticator is run for the first time |
| 23:15.29 | Adys | the other secret i already have :) |
| 23:15.53 | foxlit | It really depends. You're confident that it's actually backed up? |
| 23:16.13 | Adys | I'm positiv |
| 23:16.14 | Adys | +e |
| 23:16.30 | cog|work | ~seen beladona |
| 23:16.32 | purl | beladona <n=Beladona@c-24-23-84-75.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 116d 7h 24m 29s ago, saying: 'let me know how that works out'. |
| 23:16.35 | Adys | the app itself needs it to generate the tokens without contacting blizzard servers |
| 23:16.35 | Thunder_Child | Adys: HIV? |
| 23:16.43 | Adys | Thunder_Child: pregnancy |
| 23:16.46 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 23:16.49 | Fisker | don't smoke pot Adys |
| 23:16.51 | Adys | it's a boy |
| 23:16.52 | Thunder_Child | boy or girl> |
| 23:16.52 | foxlit | Yes, but that doesn't mean the magic numbers ever need to leave the device. |
| 23:17.04 | Adys | foxlit: it does, the first time |
| 23:17.18 | Adys | to be precise |
| 23:17.18 | cbreak | doesn't need to |
| 23:17.27 | cbreak | it probably can't be read out anyway |
| 23:17.28 | Adys | http://mobile-service.blizzard.com/enrollment/enroll.htm generates them |
| 23:17.40 | Adys | and the phone stores them in the keychain |
| 23:17.53 | cbreak | oh... |
| 23:18.10 | Cide | why do you need this? |
| 23:18.12 | Fisker | There's probably a good reason why Blizzard recommends not running it on rooted/jailbroken devices :P |
| 23:18.33 | Cide | TELL ME EVERYTHING <stab> |
| 23:18.50 | Lunessa | I don't use an app authenticator, I use a hardware one, given to me free at BC'09. |
| 23:18.51 | Adys | Fisker: the keychain is encrypted itself |
| 23:18.58 | Adys | Same Lunessa |
| 23:19.07 | Lopeppeppy | Cute baby keychain! |
| 23:19.13 | cbreak | always good to have a backup |
| 23:19.18 | cbreak | batteries are not for eternity |
| 23:19.24 | Fisker | the serial number on mine has lost some of it's color :/ |
| 23:19.26 | Cide | batteries are 4 bare |
| 23:19.29 | Adys | yeah one day I'll step on it and I'll be fucked |
| 23:19.29 | Lopeppeppy | tell me about it, stud |
| 23:19.29 | Fisker | i should get a new one really |
| 23:19.45 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: *gigglesnark* |
| 23:19.58 | Lopeppeppy | I try, Lunessa. I need distractionating. |
| 23:20.03 | Fisker | it would be nice if you could attach another authenticator |
| 23:20.23 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: What's that, right behind you?! |
| 23:20.29 | cbreak | ... you can't? |
| 23:20.33 | Lopeppeppy | The wall, dear. |
| 23:20.39 | Fisker | cbreak not at the same time |
| 23:20.44 | Fisker | that's what i meant :P |
| 23:20.47 | cbreak | silly. |
| 23:21.11 | Lunessa | So much for distracting you. |
| 23:21.12 | Dagmar | Should the battery die, you *can* simply call them and have it disabled temporarily |
| 23:21.36 | Dagmar | You have to know your *original* game CD key tho |
| 23:21.47 | Lopeppeppy | Which I don't, 'cause it went with TKFT |
| 23:22.09 | Dagmar | At some point they likely emailed it back at you |
| 23:22.10 | Dagmar | They did me |
| 23:22.12 | Fisker | well i don't know where you live Dagmar |
| 23:22.20 | Dagmar | I had *no* idea where the box was anymore. |
| 23:22.21 | Fisker | But the EU Billing support is pretty messed up |
| 23:22.35 | Fisker | So "simply calling" them, can take the better part of a day if not more |
| 23:22.37 | Dagmar | They were able to tell me what day they emailed the info back after I created the account. Simple gmail search |
| 23:22.53 | Fisker | and then i'd rather just have 2 devices and order a new one when one of the others break |
| 23:23.51 | Dagmar | The battery on the thing is likely to be good for 10 years |
| 23:24.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Stew-a (~Stewart@unafilliated/stewa/x-008753) |
| 23:33.04 | Cide | pretty sure having two authenticators would pose a security risk |
| 23:33.13 | Cide | you'd be unlikely to see that one was missing |
| 23:33.31 | Cide | and gold farmers would begin stealing people's backup authenticators irl! |
| 23:33.31 | Fisker | you'd have to be pretty stupid then in my opinion :P |
| 23:33.44 | Cide | that's what you say now |
| 23:33.51 | Cide | wait until the gold farmers rob you |
| 23:34.02 | Cide | it's inevitable |
| 23:34.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Odlaw (ozzy@c-98-245-3-204.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 23:36.24 | Dashkal | On the street muggings for keychain authenticators |
| 23:36.42 | *** join/#wowuidev tekkub (~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 23:36.42 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 23:37.28 | Fisker | *punches Cide in the face* |
| 23:37.36 | Fisker | HAND OVER YOUR BATTLE.NET AUTHENTICATOR |
| 23:37.40 | Cide | ok |
| 23:37.41 | Cide | here |
| 23:37.48 | Fisker | naw Cide |
| 23:38.01 | Fisker | you'd say "No anything but my authenticator, take my watch, take my wallet, take my wife, etc." |
| 23:38.24 | Cide | no fisker |
| 23:38.26 | Cide | I really wouldn't |
| 23:38.38 | Thunder_Child | and isnt that life, not wife |
| 23:39.14 | A-KO | I must admit, if you haven't bought red dead redemption yet, go do it--now |
| 23:39.17 | A-KO | it is the awesome |
| 23:39.43 | Dagmar | They sneered at my PC |
| 23:39.54 | A-KO | this is why I have a PC, Xbox 360, and a Wii |
| 23:39.57 | Dagmar | ...otherwise I'd have bought it through Steam |
| 23:40.45 | Fisker | shooters aren't for consolefags |
| 23:41.11 | Dashkal | RDR... When it comes out on steam. I refuse to replace my mouse with a joystick. |
| 23:41.39 | Dagmar | I'll be all over it when it comes to Steam |
| 23:41.43 | Fisker | Splinter Cell on console = challenging |
| 23:41.50 | Fisker | Splinter Cell with a mouse: lol. |
| 23:41.50 | kd3 | zomg, finally |
| 23:41.55 | kd3 | timestamps in the default chat ui? |
| 23:42.00 | Fisker | no? |
| 23:42.05 | Lopeppeppy | no way. |
| 23:42.09 | Fisker | not if i can stop it |
| 23:42.12 | kd3 | +TIMESTAMPS_LABEL = "Chat Timestamps"; |
| 23:42.13 | Lopeppeppy | cannot be realz |
| 23:42.17 | kd3 | today's ptr build; diff going out shortly |
| 23:42.34 | Fisker | i thought they already had timestamps |
| 23:42.34 | Dagmar | Yeah, mouse pretty much equals "i shoot u inna face. i shoot u inna left eye, i shoot u inna right eye, you dai nao kthkbaibai" |
| 23:42.42 | kd3 | only in the combat log |
| 23:42.54 | Fisker | mind = blown |
| 23:42.59 | Fisker | fucking timestamps how do they work? |
| 23:43.05 | Fisker | Do we get hh:mm:ss? |
| 23:43.22 | kd3 | incoming spam |
| 23:43.25 | kd3 | +TIMESTAMP_FORMAT_HHMM = "%I:%M "; |
| 23:43.25 | kd3 | +TIMESTAMP_FORMAT_HHMMSS = "%I:%M:%S "; |
| 23:43.25 | kd3 | +TIMESTAMP_FORMAT_HHMMSS_24HR = "%H:%M:%S "; |
| 23:43.25 | kd3 | +TIMESTAMP_FORMAT_HHMMSS_AMPM = "%I:%M:%S %p "; |
| 23:43.25 | kd3 | +TIMESTAMP_FORMAT_HHMM_24HR = "%H:%M "; |
| 23:43.26 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rqf $~a #shiibot] by EDI |
| 23:43.26 | EDI | Channel locked temporarily. Time since last lockdown (in minutes): 366 minutes |
| 23:43.26 | kd3 | +TIMESTAMP_FORMAT_HHMM_AMPM = "%I:%M %p "; |
| 23:43.28 | kd3 | +TIMESTAMP_FORMAT_NONE = "None"; |
| 23:43.36 | kd3 | laughs |
| 23:43.36 | Adys | EDI ownage |
| 23:43.49 | Lopeppeppy | I really hate when EDI locks the channel, why couldn't you just give a link? |
| 23:44.01 | Fisker | yeah kd3 this is all your fault |
| 23:44.02 | Fisker | jerk |
| 23:44.03 | Dagmar | bewm |
| 23:44.09 | Fisker | disappears into the shadows |
| 23:44.41 | Shirik | bad kd3 |
| 23:44.41 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 23:44.41 | Dagmar | Our cybernetic masters awaken! |
| 23:44.41 | foxlit | Failrik! |
| 23:44.42 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-rqf $~a] by Shirik |
| 23:44.42 | Shirik | !reload |
| 23:44.42 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 23:44.42 | kd3 | hey, I did warn the channel a few seconds before the paste |
| 23:44.42 | Fisker | <insert funny Cybermen pun> |
| 23:44.46 | Dagmar | *That's* when it should say "I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees." |
| 23:44.46 | Shirik | Write me an AI routine for "warning incoming spam" |
| 23:44.56 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 23:45.03 | Fisker | my authenticator code was 346347 |
| 23:45.31 | Lopeppeppy | How cute! |
| 23:46.24 | Fisker | kd3 give me your email |
| 23:46.27 | Fisker | they reset real id again |
| 23:47.18 | kd3 | emails away! |
| 23:47.43 | kd3 | bibi; gimme a new email address. the one I have on file bounced |
| 23:47.55 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 23:47.59 | Shirik | now give me your username and password |
| 23:48.27 | Fisker | that's what your mom said last night kd3 |
| 23:48.56 | *** join/#wowuidev felipe` (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) |
| 23:49.16 | Fisker | i really hate their friends of friends system |
| 23:49.21 | Fisker | i want real id without |
| 23:49.21 | Fisker | it |
| 23:49.22 | Fisker | QQ |
| 23:49.24 | kd3 | no kidding |
| 23:49.46 | Lopeppeppy | January 5 - The Last Day |
| 23:49.58 | Shirik | I'll friend your friends |
| 23:50.06 | Lopeppeppy | You stay away, stalker boy |
| 23:50.37 | Fisker | +ERR_BN_BROADCAST_THROTTLE = "Please wait a few seconds before updating your broadcast message again."; <-lol |
| 23:50.51 | Fisker | didn't take them long to notice my attempts to lag people out through broadcast spamming |
| 23:51.21 | Fisker | why won't you be friends with me kd3 ? |
| 23:51.23 | Lopeppeppy | well, that's a good sign |
| 23:51.55 | Fisker | reminds me btw |
| 23:52.22 | Fisker | some people said that someone would make an addon and farm all battle.net id's |
| 23:52.28 | Fisker | because you could find out the name of yourself |
| 23:52.36 | Fisker | then send it to someone through said addon |
| 23:52.54 | Fisker | why not just get over with it and steal the account name instead? ;3 |
| 23:53.01 | Fisker | "That's impossible" |
| 23:53.03 | Fisker | durr |
| 23:53.19 | Fisker | damnit |
| 23:53.24 | Fisker | stop sending me mountain dew battlebots |
| 23:53.36 | Fisker | it's a slap in the face to every european that exploited that bug that let you add it to eu accounts |
| 23:54.04 | Fisker | btw what's up with that? |
| 23:54.24 | Fisker | Can't have free advertising! |
| 23:57.26 | Antiarc | Oh hey |
| 23:57.31 | Antiarc | Guess what Google released today |
| 23:57.40 | Antiarc | http://code.google.com/apis/predict/ |
| 23:57.41 | WobWork | GoogleSoul? |
| 23:57.56 | Antiarc | Now guess who is going to have massive quantities of historical economic data at his disposal very soon. |
| 23:57.59 | Fisker | !care(); |
| 23:58.18 | Antiarc | You'll care when I roll a bank alt with 5s on your realm Fisker, and own every inch of the AH 48 hours later! |
| 23:58.34 | Fisker | You'll share |
| 23:58.37 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@c-68-38-51-80.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:58.39 | Fisker | because sharing is caring |
| 23:58.43 | Fisker | i want my frozen yoghurt |
| 23:58.47 | Antiarc | I do too :( |
| 23:59.01 | Fisker | and also you guys stole my idea and now Shadowed is losing money or barely profitting on it |
| 23:59.10 | Fisker | if he's just barely profitting on it, i should get a cut too |
| 23:59.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Gintaro (~Gintaro@cc1040670-a.gorre1.fr.home.nl) |
| 23:59.25 | Fisker | urgh |
| 23:59.27 | Fisker | what is the gold cap? |
| 23:59.32 | Fisker | 2^32-1? |
| 23:59.37 | WobWork | in copper |
| 23:59.48 | Fisker | 2^31-1 actually i think |
