| 00:01.12 | Amarande | goddamnit |
| 00:01.17 | Amarande | when will they ever fix the AH buyout mail lag? |
| 00:01.37 | Shirik | ok |
| 00:01.43 | Shirik | why does Steam say I've only played Portal for 61 minutes |
| 00:01.46 | Shirik | the game isn't THAT short is it? |
| 00:01.53 | Amarande | used to be when I bought out an option, it would show up in the mailbox right away |
| 00:01.54 | Lopeppeppy | ... you finished it already? |
| 00:01.57 | Shirik | no |
| 00:02.00 | Amarande | now I'm dithering and dithering while waiting, half the time |
| 00:02.00 | Shirik | I played it when it came out |
| 00:02.07 | Gintaro | Shirik: I was done in an hour or so |
| 00:02.10 | Amarande | Shirik: well, FPS are notoriously short |
| 00:02.12 | Shirik | well yes I finished it already, but I played it back then |
| 00:02.13 | Lopeppeppy | maybe it keeps poor count of your time, Shirik. |
| 00:02.19 | Amarande | I believe there's a recording of DOOM II being finished in less than a half hour on Ultraviolence |
| 00:02.24 | Shirik | Amarande: Fair enough, but still, 61 minutes? |
| 00:02.25 | Gintaro | apart from the advanced puzzels, I did those later |
| 00:02.31 | Shirik | and if I recall I was pretty bad at some of them |
| 00:02.57 | Gintaro | Steam pisses me off with the PC/Mac tabs |
| 00:02.58 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 00:03.00 | Gintaro | Mac is a PC too! |
| 00:03.14 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Adobe Lens Creator, if you try to close it without saving, it says "Do you want to give up on this profile?" |
| 00:03.33 | Shirik | how incredibly accurate |
| 00:04.17 | Lopeppeppy | I make awesome chili. Today is just a day full of awesome. |
| 00:04.35 | Shirik | and why do I own HL2 episode 2, lost coast, et al? |
| 00:04.35 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: heh |
| 00:04.37 | Nechckn | Bring some to me, Lopeppeppy |
| 00:04.43 | Shirik | I never bought these |
| 00:04.48 | Lopeppeppy | you come get it, Nechckn, I am a lazy Peppy. |
| 00:05.25 | Nechckn | When I show up on your doorstep, then you will be all like "I never expected you to actually do it!?!". |
| 00:05.38 | Nechckn | Then you will call the police, like all the rest.... |
| 00:05.44 | Shirik | makes awesome chili sauce |
| 00:05.49 | Shirik | Directions: |
| 00:05.57 | Shirik | 1. Go to Safeway and buy Heinz Chili Sauce |
| 00:06.01 | Shirik | 2. Pour into pan |
| 00:06.04 | Amarande | haha. |
| 00:06.06 | Shirik | 3. Heat |
| 00:07.06 | Amarande | 1. Buy containers of chili powder and cayenne. 2. Buy can of dark kidney beans and big can of tomato sauce. 3. Buy large package of meat. 4. Brown meat. 5. Mix stuff together. Be liberal on the cayenne. 6. Heat. |
| 00:07.21 | Amarande | It's too bad you can't get ground Naga Jolokia yet in the grocery store. |
| 00:07.45 | Amarande | Unless that's strong enough that due to airborne dust issues it's considered a "weaponized form" and illegal :P |
| 00:07.58 | Shirik | My best recipe though is for lasagna |
| 00:08.22 | Shirik | 1. Buy stoffer's lasagna 2. heat in oven for time indicated on box 3. enjoy for rest of the week |
| 00:08.40 | Shirik | $10 can get you through the week |
| 00:08.41 | Amarande | But yeah, I don't buy "chili sauce" |
| 00:08.54 | Amarande | I dump a big can of tomato sauce in and add some cheap Badia chili powder and cayenne |
| 00:08.55 | Nechckn | Remind me not to accept a Shirik dinner invite. |
| 00:10.43 | Lopeppeppy | My chili was a can of dark kidney beans, a can of white kidney beans, a jar of tomato sauce, two cans of tomato paste, a can of diced tomatoes with green chilis, and a bunch of random spices from the cupboard (cumin, paprikia, cayenne, chili powder, garlic, I dunno what else). Simmer on low for 4 hours, reheat for a week. |
| 00:10.50 | Lopeppeppy | You can make that, Shirik. |
| 00:11.11 | Nechckn | And I could eat that! |
| 00:11.17 | Nechckn | I has invite!! |
| 00:11.46 | Dagmar | ehwot? More are going out? |
| 00:11.46 | Lopeppeppy | See? |
| 00:11.49 | Nechckn | You all saw it, right? So when I am being detained, then I can have 'em call you all? |
| 00:11.53 | Lopeppeppy | Edible food. |
| 00:12.18 | Nechckn | I cannot eat much direct from a can/package... |
| 00:12.30 | Nechckn | It always needs to have something added |
| 00:12.43 | Lopeppeppy | Me either, with this stupid elimination diet. Takes creativity to make food lately. |
| 00:13.31 | Dagmar | looks alarmed |
| 00:13.38 | Dagmar | An _elimination_ diet? |
| 00:13.54 | Lopeppeppy | Eliminate a bunch of evil from your diet, that you might feel better later. |
| 00:13.59 | Lopeppeppy | Bad monkey to think what you thinked. |
| 00:14.48 | airtonix | purges evil with fire |
| 00:15.03 | Dagmar | I suppose technically I'm on one |
| 00:15.16 | Dagmar | 'cept it could also be called the "cheesesteak and soda diet" |
| 00:15.24 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 00:15.58 | Dagmar | I just haven't had the heart to repopulate the fridge after throwing out all 8 of those cheese slices and half a pack of ham |
| 00:16.07 | Lopeppeppy | Bad man. |
| 00:16.19 | Amarande | Seem to be a lot of 11/12 ICC runs |
| 00:16.20 | Dagmar | Hey, the power was out for a whole week here. |
| 00:16.22 | Lopeppeppy | I did have to toss a bunch of stuff that I can't have, probably 3-6 months. |
| 00:16.28 | Dagmar | Those were *probably* no longer safe to eat |
| 00:16.30 | Lopeppeppy | No power is bad! |
| 00:16.30 | Amarande | is LK "that one boss" or are guilds trying not to let PUG players get the achievement? :) |
| 00:17.38 | Amarande | soo ... running a Balance druid in cloth |
| 00:17.44 | Amarande | am I going to feel unusually vulnerable or no more so than say a mage? |
| 00:17.55 | airtonix | you are a mage |
| 00:17.57 | Amarande | (I suppose there's always bear if I really need more stamina for something :S) |
| 00:17.59 | Dagmar | Truth |
| 00:18.11 | Dagmar | Yer a mage who can shapeshift |
| 00:18.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (~callahan@74-141-240-27.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 00:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | For the most part, you are a mage with feathers. |
| 00:19.06 | Amarande | also: really, really wish they'd used the usual "teleporting zepp" mechanic for the Org-TB one |
| 00:19.09 | Amarande | it's far too slow |
| 00:19.17 | Amarande | I think I sat there once for what seemed like 20 minutes without it coming |
| 00:20.32 | Amarande | btw, int, SP or spirit when it comes to balance druid priority? |
| 00:21.21 | Dagmar | Same as mages afaik |
| 00:21.33 | Dagmar | SP, int, spi or crit rating |
| 00:21.35 | Nechckn | SP is like the big bird stat of choice, no? |
| 00:21.46 | Dagmar | YA MOAR NOOKS |
| 00:22.05 | tekkub | Nooks and crannies? |
| 00:23.02 | Nechckn | Suppose early on, you may want INT to have a juicy mana pool. I did a balance druid up to like 20 forever ago, then went feral because it was so much easier for the mid-range leveling. *I like to solo, so it worked a bit better for me. |
| 00:23.29 | Nechckn | Why do I feel the urge for a Thomas' English Muffin, suddenly? |
| 00:23.40 | airtonix | too much cannabis |
| 00:23.50 | tekkub | The need for a big mana pool at the start is kinda gone since they bumped up regen a ton |
| 00:23.59 | Nechckn | It is all tekkub's fault... =) |
| 00:24.02 | tekkub | it used to be you needed it just so you had to drink less |
| 00:24.07 | Amarande | Man, the mechano hog is going to get you made fun of in Cata |
| 00:24.14 | Amarande | everyone will be flying, everywhere |
| 00:24.14 | tekkub | but now it regens fast so that doesn't matter |
| 00:24.22 | Amarande | it'll be like "OMG YOU WASTED YOUR MONEY ON A MECHANO HOG" |
| 00:24.41 | tekkub | I'm going to get a double penetration pocket rocket |
| 00:24.45 | Amarande | 'specially with skills 81-85 probably costing 50+g a pop |
| 00:24.46 | Nechckn | Good point, about the regen, tekkub. |
| 00:25.09 | Dagmar | Amrande: Hey at least we din't have to make up friends to get a twoseater rocket |
| 00:25.23 | Nechckn | Lol... mean. |
| 00:26.10 | Nechckn | Worse would be the traveler, no? |
| 00:26.12 | Dagmar | I don't see how it really matters _now_ even, since no one's getting the money for that until they're _quite_ deep into Northrend when everyone's flyin' anyway |
| 00:26.20 | Amarande | hmm, for a leveling spellpower set pre 35 ... +3 stats, +100 health or +100 mana? |
| 00:26.42 | Amarande | Neckckn: never really seen the point of the traveler :S |
| 00:26.46 | Dagmar | The traveler? |
| 00:26.47 | Amarande | I guess the merchants could be useful |
| 00:26.52 | Amarande | but my lock already has a 3-seater mammoth from VoA |
| 00:26.52 | Nechckn | For those with big pockets. |
| 00:27.02 | Dagmar | Oh, the mammoth with the vendors on |
| 00:27.08 | Nechckn | Yeah, Dagmar |
| 00:27.21 | Dagmar | Well, it's a bit like wipe insurance now |
| 00:27.24 | Amarande | is it just me thinking it or does the 3-seat black war mammoth drop a LOT |
| 00:27.28 | tekkub | just get a jeeves if you really need a vendor |
| 00:27.35 | Amarande | Dagmar: that's why you bring an engineer with jeeves/repair bots |
| 00:27.41 | tekkub | or... tekJunkSeller |
| 00:27.41 | Amarande | show your engineers some love |
| 00:27.42 | tekkub | :P |
| 00:27.45 | Dagmar | So many people can summon squires, or repair bots and mailboxes, etc etc |
| 00:28.07 | cybermind | well, squire is only good for the one who has it, except for reagents |
| 00:28.32 | Nechckn | Between everyone, they likely have something to do the job, though. |
| 00:28.35 | Amarande | tekkub: isn't that just another "click this to sell greys" addon? |
| 00:28.41 | tekkub | no |
| 00:28.45 | Nechckn | But, yeah... I love my ENG buddies. |
| 00:28.48 | airtonix | hai gaiz i am maor skill than u cuz i dun uz addons |
| 00:28.49 | Dagmar | Doesn't necessarily *have* to be useful for everyone, but there's enough of them now that they're pretty universal |
| 00:29.33 | Dagmar | airtonix: Geez we need to find a toxin that affects those people and start putting it in municipal water supplies |
| 00:30.09 | Dagmar | Literally every damn MMO now the moment the subject of addons comes up there's a million people who just *barely* meet the system requirements carping about how addons give some people an unfair advantage |
| 00:30.12 | Fisker | Dagmar |
| 00:30.17 | Fisker | make me sleep |
| 00:30.25 | Dagmar | ...even though I've yet to see a game where that actually amounts to much of anything. |
| 00:30.47 | Amarande | wow, cloak enchants suck pre-LK |
| 00:30.49 | airtonix | Dagmar, when i changed the texture of my actionbar from default to hello kitty pink, other players just fell over dead around me |
| 00:30.52 | Nechckn | assists in smacking Fisker over the head with a telephone pole. |
| 00:30.59 | tekkub | if a game wants to keep me paying, they have to let me fix their shit UI |
| 00:31.03 | Dagmar | airtonix: Leet sploit |
| 00:31.12 | tekkub | if WoW didn't do that, I would have quit about a year in |
| 00:31.19 | Amarande | my viable choices for a lowish level item are +70 armor, +5 all res, +10 shadow res, or +10 fire res o.0 |
| 00:31.35 | airtonix | Hello Kitty Pink = Clear Unfair Advantage |
| 00:32.01 | Amarande | no, not even +10 fire res ... lesser is +5 |
| 00:32.03 | Amarande | it's only +10 for shadow |
| 00:32.04 | Nechckn | I'm sure many, many folks would have, tekkub. I still say that is the #1 reason why the pop is so big. FPS-view to one, 3rd person to another, <insert_some_name> to yet another. |
| 00:32.05 | Amarande | fuck you, blizzard |
| 00:32.46 | tekkub | I do hope that cat goes through and cleans up the low enchants |
| 00:32.51 | tekkub | but I doubt they will |
| 00:33.05 | tekkub | you look at the 1-55ish ones and they're all over the place |
| 00:33.14 | tekkub | 60 there's a bit of consistancy due to endgame |
| 00:33.33 | tekkub | then after that they're pretty clean upgrades to the same set of stats people actually want |
| 00:34.15 | Nechckn | That goes for almost all of the items though, no? |
| 00:34.27 | airtonix | thoughts about assasins creed ? |
| 00:34.36 | tekkub | well, the random of the assmonkey stats need a revisit too |
| 00:34.38 | Nechckn | BS, Tailor, etc.. that is |
| 00:34.47 | tekkub | like BC onward had good randoms |
| 00:34.50 | Nechckn | airtonix Movie or game? |
| 00:35.04 | tekkub | but here I wan wanting to equip a 15 mage and I have... cloth of the whale |
| 00:35.12 | tekkub | stam and spi... greaaaaat.... |
| 00:35.28 | Nechckn | airtonix The first game was horribly boring, imnsho. Second was a bit better, with more variety. |
| 00:35.28 | airtonix | Nechckn, either |
| 00:35.42 | Amarande | eh, at that point spirit actually has enough impact on health regeneration to noticeably reduce downtime between mobs |
| 00:35.47 | Amarande | especially given the tiny health pool of a mage |
| 00:35.59 | tekkub | if you're getting hit ^^ |
| 00:36.08 | Amarande | also helps your mana regen, too :) |
| 00:36.17 | Nechckn | airtonix as to the flick... it should be at least entertaining. |
| 00:36.31 | airtonix | made in canada |
| 00:36.43 | Nechckn | gasps! |
| 00:36.48 | Nechckn | Is Cairenn in it? |
| 00:36.50 | tekkub | I also love how, at 15, I can only make jesus water that's equiv to the lv5 vendor water |
| 00:36.55 | Nechckn | And Ackis? |
| 00:36.59 | tekkub | I don't get 15ish water till 20 |
| 00:37.00 | tekkub | WTF? |
| 00:37.06 | Nechckn | hehehehe okay, sorry Canadian friends... |
| 00:37.23 | airtonix | is fringe going to have a episode 22 ? |
| 00:37.39 | Nechckn | Good lord, the food and water was all weird, I though, tekkub. |
| 00:38.00 | Amarande | %#$&*#*(&@*(#$&*($# |
| 00:38.00 | tekkub | yea it actually scales with level... but in QUANTITY only |
| 00:38.01 | Nechckn | With better available elsewhere |
| 00:38.03 | Amarande | green whelp scale |
| 00:38.09 | Amarande | HOW DID I PICK AN ENCHANT THAT NEEDS GREEN WHELP SCALE |
| 00:38.15 | tekkub | I don't need 15 waters in one cast right now, I need better water |
| 00:38.19 | Amarande | well Vladoka, pack your bags ... we're talking a vacation from NR for a bit ... |
| 00:38.23 | Nechckn | lol - 'zactly. |
| 00:39.12 | Amarande | well, |
| 00:39.16 | Amarande | at least maybe I'll get the whelpling |
| 00:39.29 | Amarande | and make back all the money I've spent on the AH today, between an Emerald Bag, a Trapper's Traveling Pack and various mats |
| 00:39.59 | Nechckn | airtonix what do you mean about episode 22? from the 22nd? It is up on the fox site. |
| 00:40.23 | airtonix | Nechckn, one thing i found really good about assasins creed was the way the computer generated the crowd behaviour |
| 00:40.54 | airtonix | but i see that in gta4 (and i think its a bit better there ) |
| 00:41.02 | Nechckn | airtonix Well, yes, that was interesting and it looked awesome. But, the quests became ungodly repetitive. |
| 00:41.08 | Amarande | oh, right |
| 00:41.22 | airtonix | yes, game fell over there |
| 00:41.25 | Amarande | I picked the skinning enchant for Selinios' gloves because I don't have any actual useful-to-kill-shit enchants for that slot at that level. |
| 00:41.53 | airtonix | it was like i was playing aion offline |
| 00:42.08 | Nechckn | airtonix I have not finished part 2, but plan to do so, one o' these days. |
| 00:42.26 | Nechckn | It at least has kept my interest to see the rest, unlike 1. |
| 00:42.31 | Amarande | airtonix: heh, FF12 kinda bugs me for similar reasons, it really does feel like an offline MMO |
| 00:42.44 | Amarande | sheesh, green whelp scale. |
| 00:42.55 | Amarande | remind me to check for obscure mat requirements next time before I pick enchants for twinker gear |
| 00:43.16 | Nechckn | I always put silly things like that up on the AH, just for the what you are doing, now, Amarande. |
| 00:43.45 | Nechckn | Even if I make what I would dumping to a vendor, maybe even a bit below, I think that *maybe* someone who needs one, got it. |
| 00:44.14 | Nechckn | That may well never happen, but it makes me feel like a better WoWizen |
| 00:44.30 | *** join/#wowuidev phyber (phyber@irssi.co.uk) |
| 00:46.16 | Amarande | I pretty much put *everything* white or better up on AH, unless it's stuff like vendor food, or Auctioneer warns me that I'd lose too much money on the deposit for what I'd gain |
| 00:46.36 | Amarande | occasionally, I give up and vendor stuff that hasn't sold for several days if my bankalt's bags are getting overloaded, but that's about it |
| 00:47.13 | Amarande | at least green whelp scale is a not too bad 20% drop, these guys will die by Vladoka just LOOKING at them, and there's a chance at a really valuable drop at the same time |
| 00:47.38 | Amarande | a whelpling pet would get me several hundred gold bonus on this, making me GLAD I chose skinning enchant :) |
| 00:47.52 | Amarande | too bad the skinning enchant becomes worthless after 60, though |
| 00:48.06 | Amarande | it's semi-useful at the start of outland, because of 61 and 62 helboars that you might not have 305/310 yet for |
| 00:48.11 | Amarande | but after that, it becomes worthless |
| 00:48.23 | Amarande | in fact, the only reason to get illustrious skinning in cata, for instance, will be the next tier of crit rating bonus |
| 00:48.31 | Amarande | because with 450, you can skin up to 90 and cata mobs probably won't exceed 88 |
| 00:48.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Kandoko1 (~Kandoko@adsl-068-159-119-207.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:49.04 | Amarande | still thinks Vladoka hit 450 anticlimactically |
| 00:49.11 | Amarande | all that actively killing mobs, etc. |
| 00:49.18 | Amarande | and the last point came from a corpse someone left lying around in coldarra heh |
| 00:49.41 | Amarande | FUUUUUUUUUCK |
| 00:49.43 | Amarande | stupid windrider |
| 00:49.45 | Amarande | FUCK YOU WIND RIDER |
| 00:50.10 | Amarande | dropped me off at vengeance landing JUST in time to miss the zepp |
| 00:52.10 | Lopeppeppy | Parental units... always buy the extended warranty |
| 00:55.47 | A-KO | http://picasaweb.google.com/115926373259659653508/FileServer# < I want this guy's paycheck |
| 00:55.53 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: ? She okay? Do I need to be making an unhappy face? |
| 00:55.59 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy hard |
| 00:56.25 | Lopeppeppy | Unhappy face. More of un-okay, even more than earlier today. I dunno about that lady. |
| 00:56.40 | Cairenn | Oh god |
| 00:56.55 | Cairenn | Sending good wishes winging down to you |
| 00:57.14 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, pretty much. Thanks. She's closer, she lives in Morristown, right on the St. Lawrence! Bet she steals them on the way to me. |
| 00:57.26 | Cairenn | I can deal with that |
| 00:57.46 | Lopeppeppy | Me too. |
| 00:58.22 | Cairenn | IMs |
| 00:58.41 | airtonix | http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7726/ncsoonblack.png |
| 01:02.12 | Nechckn | Feed a cat some leftover salmon one day... and suddenly they are back every day looking for more. |
| 01:02.20 | Nechckn | is a sucker for a hungry face. |
| 01:02.29 | Cloudwolf | with fwends? |
| 01:03.07 | Cloudwolf | i found out i can pretty much build a computer thats 2x better thant his one for 1250 |
| 01:03.35 | Lopeppeppy | Salmon is the good stuff, of course they come back! |
| 01:03.54 | Nechckn | Well, yeah... but now I am like buying cans of it. |
| 01:03.57 | Nechckn | hehehe |
| 01:04.12 | Nechckn | He comes to visit once per day while I am outside |
| 01:04.16 | Nechckn | or she... |
| 01:04.23 | Fisker | you wouldn't drink 9-year old milk Cairenn |
| 01:04.27 | Lopeppeppy | Check under the tailgate, Nechckn. |
| 01:04.33 | Cairenn | ewwwwww |
| 01:04.38 | Nechckn | Poor thing is deathly afraid of people |
| 01:04.55 | Nechckn | cannot even get a pet in, and do not even get a leg rub. |
| 01:05.12 | Nechckn | So... no tailgate. =) |
| 01:05.22 | airtonix | loooool |
| 01:05.50 | airtonix | fisker, go to sleep |
| 01:07.11 | Fisker | make me airtonix |
| 01:07.19 | airtonix | Fisker, play aion. |
| 01:07.28 | Nechckn | What is funny, Lopeppeppy, is that he comes up the stairs on the porch, but stays about 10 feet away, sitting and looking. As I go in the house to get his grub, he comes to the door, and even looks inside. As I move back to the porch, he keeps that same distance. |
| 01:07.38 | Nechckn | It is like the scaredy-cat waltz or something. |
| 01:07.47 | Fisker | no airtonix |
| 01:07.50 | airtonix | Nechckn, you might grab him by the scruf |
| 01:09.16 | Fisker | rubs Nechckn |
| 01:09.16 | Nechckn | Eh... it is not really that big of a thing. It's just like "your cat buddy is back" so I go tend to him and then he cleans up after chow and then leaves. |
| 01:09.47 | Nechckn | Hrm.. sort of like when Fisker came over to show me his wide stance! |
| 01:09.52 | Lopeppeppy | i feed some local strays, a big dish of kibble outdoors. |
| 01:09.56 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 01:10.02 | airtonix | mmm wide stance |
| 01:10.06 | Lopeppeppy | I don't wanna know. |
| 01:10.22 | Nechckn | Eh.. nothing big, that is for sure. |
| 01:10.27 | Nechckn | =P |
| 01:10.34 | Lopeppeppy | ... don't wanna know |
| 01:11.31 | airtonix | fisker : http://dogblog.dogster.com/uploads/2010/03/fat_american_walking_dog_from_car-1.jpg |
| 01:11.43 | Nechckn | I'm not sure if I want him/her as a pet, though. Think we will just keep this love/hate thing going. |
| 01:12.03 | Lopeppeppy | it's always love/hate with a cat! |
| 01:12.19 | Lopeppeppy | Rosie loves me to feed her, pet her when she wants it, and any other time is like "get away, evil two legged monkey!" |
| 01:13.24 | Fisker | what to do |
| 01:13.30 | Nechckn | Well, this is even weirder than usual... so I think they are better to stay as the wild, city cat. Everyone jokes that he probably comes here, then goes back home where his owner is mystified that he stopped eating his dry kibble for some reason. |
| 01:13.44 | Nechckn | Fisker Take your dog for a walk. |
| 01:14.01 | Lopeppeppy | cats are opportunists, they would certainly do that, visit a house just to get the yummies. |
| 01:14.14 | Nechckn | And if you have none, break into the neighbors, steal theirs, walk it, and then return it. |
| 01:14.34 | Lopeppeppy | That's how Rosie eventually came to live with me, visiting the kibble dish of a family friend, who noticed she was hurt and took her to the pound, and then silly me adopted her. |
| 01:14.53 | Nechckn | Awww... |
| 01:15.08 | Nechckn | See, here I cannot just leave stuff out due to possible rats. |
| 01:15.21 | Nechckn | (other than opportunist cats, of course) |
| 01:15.44 | Nechckn | So, he must watch from somewhere, then, when I am out it is like "Hai buddy!" |
| 01:15.49 | airtonix | install cat flap with rfid reader |
| 01:15.51 | Fisker | i have no dog Nechckn |
| 01:16.08 | Lopeppeppy | Urban outdoors cats are just car-bait. My girls are indoors only |
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| 01:16.13 | Nechckn | Fisker "[21:14] <+Nechckn> And if you have none, break into the neighbors, steal theirs, walk it, and then return it." |
| 01:16.44 | Nechckn | Lopeppeppy that is what worries me, though. He comes from somewhere across the street, so he crosses to come visit. |
| 01:17.04 | Nechckn | Were I to keep him, then he would stay inside, that is for sure. |
| 01:17.33 | Fisker | naw Nechckn |
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| 01:19.34 | Nechckn | Ha, ha... now this one would be easy to play. http://fukung.net/v/10799/2da76f65aaae320f0e62722a226caaad.jpg |
| 01:19.54 | Fisker | you know what sucks Nechckn ? |
| 01:19.58 | Amarande | Yeah, you really don't want your cat's nametag to suddenly read "Meowie - 80 Cat - Skinnable (0/12600)" |
| 01:20.15 | Nechckn | Lol, true, Amarande. |
| 01:20.17 | Amarande | btw, speaking of things that kill you in one shot |
| 01:20.17 | Lopeppeppy | Rosie's already been skinned a few times, no more for her. |
| 01:20.24 | Nechckn | Oh, Fisker, please do tell. |
| 01:20.28 | Amarande | does the 30% damage reduction from icebound fortitude work on 100% falling damage? |
| 01:20.40 | Fisker | a vacuum Nechckn |
| 01:20.42 | Fisker | "hoho" |
| 01:20.54 | Fisker | no Amarande |
| 01:21.02 | Nechckn | boo hiss |
| 01:23.52 | Fisker | only my cat can hiss Nechckn |
| 01:24.53 | Lopeppeppy | Canned air makes an awesome hiss. |
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| 01:29.13 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4gK3RRtCHw |
| 01:30.24 | Amarande | wtf "item is not a valid target" |
| 01:30.30 | Amarande | oh derp, I'm trying to put a chest enchant on a cloak |
| 01:30.31 | Amarande | :headdesk |
| 01:30.39 | Lopeppeppy | Duh. *grin* |
| 01:33.54 | airtonix | you know it only took a few xwings and rebels to take down the deathstar ? |
| 01:35.30 | Amarande | looks through BS |
| 01:35.33 | Amarande | dammit |
| 01:35.36 | Amarande | caster weapons are lacking. |
| 01:35.54 | Lopeppeppy | Why yes, yes they are. |
| 01:36.14 | Lopeppeppy | Is it wrong that I'm totally in lust with the alien guy from the original Stargate movie? |
| 01:38.18 | Amarande | FUCK |
| 01:38.22 | Amarande | what the hell happened to my Auctioneer? |
| 01:38.26 | Amarande | every time I click on an auction now |
| 01:38.26 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, I guess it's wrong. |
| 01:38.28 | Amarande | instead of letting me buy it |
| 01:38.33 | Amarande | it's "Add player to ignore list?" |
| 01:40.41 | airtonix | lol |
| 01:40.54 | airtonix | is the forhead baby? |
| 01:41.11 | airtonix | or the deep piercing eye liner |
| 01:41.36 | Lopeppeppy | Not sure.. I dated someone similar, without the eyeliner or glowing bits... |
| 01:41.42 | Lopeppeppy | I suppose it's nostalgia. |
| 01:42.31 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 01:42.44 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. |
| 01:45.37 | Nechckn | Lopeppeppy which alien guy? |
| 01:45.47 | Lopeppeppy | The main alien "bad guy" |
| 01:45.53 | Nechckn | Ewww..... |
| 01:46.00 | Nechckn | um, what.ever. crazy lady |
| 01:46.10 | Nechckn | =P |
| 01:46.15 | Lopeppeppy | Take off the makeup and the glowy eyes, and he's cute. My guy was native american. |
| 01:46.33 | Nechckn | Ah... the actor, not the character. |
| 01:46.36 | Shirik | lua> string.byte("["):format("%x") |
| 01:46.36 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to index a number value |
| 01:46.40 | Shirik | fu |
| 01:46.41 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Actor. |
| 01:46.45 | Nechckn | gotcha |
| 01:46.51 | Shirik | lua> string.format("%x", string.byte("[")) |
| 01:46.51 | lua_bot | Shirik: 5b |
| 01:46.55 | Shirik | lua> string.format("%x", string.byte("]")) |
| 01:46.55 | lua_bot | Shirik: 5d |
| 01:47.03 | Shirik | who skipped 5c |
| 01:47.17 | foxlit | lua> string.char(0x5c) |
| 01:47.24 | Shirik | lua> string.format("%x", string.byte("|")) |
| 01:47.24 | lua_bot | Shirik: 7c |
| 01:47.37 | foxlit | foxit: \ |
| 01:47.50 | foxlit | lua_bot, I'm offended. |
| 01:48.14 | Nechckn | Have the whole series on dvd Lopeppeppy. When I break into your house while you are sleeping, eat your chili, and then make my self comfortable in your bed, we can watch it! |
| 01:48.30 | Lopeppeppy | Not series, the series all suck. |
| 01:48.35 | Lopeppeppy | original movie only |
| 01:48.39 | Dashkal | She's talking Ra from the movie |
| 01:48.41 | Nechckn | Have that, too. |
| 01:48.53 | Nechckn | Weeeee! |
| 01:48.54 | Lopeppeppy | I just found it today in the Wally World bargain bin. |
| 01:49.03 | Nechckn | lol, nice! |
| 01:49.48 | Nechckn | I was sort of "meh" about the series... then watched like 5 in a row one day, when nothing else was on, and was sorta hooked. |
| 01:50.20 | Lopeppeppy | Do not like the series. Absolutely despise the latest series. |
| 01:50.40 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:50.49 | Nechckn | Really? huh.. I don't think it is that bad. It is not like amazing, but I enjoyed watching it. |
| 01:50.52 | Amarande | there is a rumor going around trade that the Blizzard RL cash shop will sell tomes to level tradeskills |
| 01:50.59 | Amarande | any truth to it, or is it utter bullshit? |
| 01:51.15 | Dashkal | That had better be BS. |
| 01:51.16 | Lopeppeppy | Nice rumor. |
| 01:51.22 | Amarande | hopes WoW doesn't end up becoming Aeria-but-with-a-monthly-fee at some point :| That would probably make me go to Megaten and drop WoW |
| 01:51.27 | foxlit | It's totally true. |
| 01:51.35 | foxlit | I'm not sure what answer you're expecting. |
| 01:52.18 | Nechckn | The best follow on roll for anyone is Daniel Jackson as Hawkman on Smallville. |
| 01:52.26 | Amarande | heh "arms DPS lf ToC 25" |
| 01:52.27 | foxlit | "No, they've explicitly said that that rumor has no truth in it?" |
| 01:52.29 | Nechckn | I almost fell over laughing at that mis-cast. |
| 01:52.30 | Amarande | what else would arms do in ToC 25? |
| 01:52.34 | Amarande | tank? |
| 01:52.44 | Amarande | I'm not sure arms is a viable tank spec past maybe 60 or so :S |
| 01:52.57 | Lunessa | Peppy - DId you see him in "The Crying Game" ? |
| 01:54.17 | Amarande | OOH |
| 01:54.29 | Amarande | I ARRIVED AT A TIME WHERE TTC STARTS IN A FEW MINUTES |
| 01:54.33 | Amarande | yay, shattrath has its perks! |
| 01:54.49 | Lopeppeppy | Ra is very handsome when we first meet him. |
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| 01:56.16 | Nechckn | BTW, at first, I thought you said Farscape, Lopeppeppy =) |
| 01:56.49 | Nechckn | And I thought you meant frikin' Scorpius |
| 01:57.12 | Nechckn | Hence my amazement at your thinking he was all that. |
| 02:00.02 | Nechckn | Erm... |
| 02:00.05 | Nechckn | "Be prepared to adjust your SyFy drama viewing schedule. SyFy Fridays will be moving to Tuesdays as the network has inked a multiyear deal with the World Wrestling Entertainment’s “Friday Night SmackDown”. The move will aid ratings for SyFy’s Friday night dramas like “Caprica” and “Stargate Universe” according to Dave Howe, programming president for SyFy" |
| 02:00.52 | Nechckn | So then Fridays will have nothing worth watching, apparently. And, yes, I am a big DVR fan, but when it is all tapped out, you have to rely on what is on that night o' the week. |
| 02:01.51 | Lopeppeppy | Farscape? Oh no. The only cute ones on that show were Erin and... um... the black and white chick who slept with Dargo and his son. |
| 02:02.37 | Nechckn | mmm... Chiana..... |
| 02:03.16 | Lopeppeppy | Chiana, yes. Totally hot. |
| 02:03.48 | Amarande | wow, :03 and TTC didn't show |
| 02:03.55 | Amarande | even though the announcements about "top of the hour" were there in shatt |
| 02:04.00 | Lopeppeppy | And I'm a very comfortable hetero girl, thinking Chiana is hot. |
| 02:04.19 | Amarande | ah here they are |
| 02:04.36 | Adys | Shirik: I need your help |
| 02:04.40 | Shirik | too bad |
| 02:04.43 | Shirik | dealing with 4chan |
| 02:04.44 | Shirik | maybe later |
| 02:04.47 | Adys | oh i dont care |
| 02:04.55 | Nechckn | Lopeppeppy =D |
| 02:05.03 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Who is this totally hot girl? |
| 02:06.09 | Nechckn | Gigi something... played Chiana in Farscape |
| 02:06.19 | Adys | So anyone knows how/why vs6 pads data to 4 bytes3? |
| 02:06.27 | Adys | s/3// |
| 02:06.29 | Nechckn | Ah.. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0249319/ |
| 02:07.12 | Nechckn | I'd say ask Shirik, but we can see he is in a right foul mood, Adys. |
| 02:07.44 | Shirik | Shirik is in a very foul mood: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Shirik |
| 02:07.44 | Adys | i just did |
| 02:07.50 | Lopeppeppy | Chiana... http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061226204123/farscape/images/1/14/Chiana01.jpg |
| 02:08.41 | Lopeppeppy | huggles shirik. |
| 02:11.40 | Adys | Maldivia: ping |
| 02:13.06 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Pretty. |
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| 02:14.41 | Wobin | bah |
| 02:14.47 | Wobin | getall dc'd =( |
| 02:15.15 | Adys | getalls Wobin |
| 02:15.31 | Wobin | does it the old fashioned way |
| 02:15.47 | Wobin | although |
| 02:15.52 | Wobin | I think the getall made it through |
| 02:16.03 | Wobin | it was just the post processing that knocked me out |
| 02:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. *purr* |
| 02:16.23 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, pretty, exotic, and crazy. The "hit it once" type. |
| 02:19.14 | Wobin | awsome |
| 02:19.22 | Wobin | I can do a getall if I set my priority to hight =P |
| 02:19.24 | Wobin | high |
| 02:22.18 | A-KO | what's the cost of stopping the leveling? |
| 02:24.46 | Shirik | ok adys |
| 02:24.51 | Shirik | I have a moment's respite |
| 02:24.52 | Shirik | wtf you want |
| 02:25.35 | Amarande | 10g |
| 02:26.30 | A-KO | Amarande: where do you do it at? |
| 02:26.46 | Amarande | A-KO: horde do it at the building towards the NE of valley of honor |
| 02:26.50 | Amarande | the one with the warrior trainer in it |
| 02:26.53 | Amarande | it's a stealthed NPC |
| 02:27.01 | Amarande | not sure where alliance do it except it's somewhere in SW |
| 02:27.07 | Amarande | and I think their NPC is also stealthed |
| 02:27.19 | Gagorian | Lopeppeppy: Erin? You mean Aeryn? |
| 02:27.47 | Adys | Shirik: see above |
| 02:27.50 | Adys | [03:06:10] <Adys> So anyone knows how/why vs6 pads data to 4 bytes? |
| 02:27.52 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that chick. |
| 02:27.53 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Get it on tape, ok? |
| 02:28.08 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, always. That's SOP, as I understand. |
| 02:32.29 | Shirik | Adys, as opposed to what? |
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| 02:33.53 | Adys | Shirik: byte, byte, int will pad the int to 4 bytes |
| 02:34.08 | Cide | to 6 bytes you mean? |
| 02:34.13 | Cide | oh wait |
| 02:34.19 | Cide | you mean byte, byte, <2 byte space>, int? |
| 02:34.41 | Cide | or what do you mean? |
| 02:34.46 | Adys | yes |
| 02:34.51 | Adys | [03:34:10] <+Cide> you mean byte, byte, <2 byte space>, int? |
| 02:34.52 | Adys | that |
| 02:35.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:35.05 | Shirik | because it needs to be aligned |
| 02:35.29 | Adys | ok, but why wouldnt a byte or a 2byte structure need to be aligned? |
| 02:35.30 | Adys | only intsw |
| 02:35.30 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_alignment |
| 02:35.32 | Adys | -w |
| 02:35.54 | Shirik | it's the compiler making decisions about whether or not the penalty is worth it |
| 02:35.59 | Shirik | if you want to avoid it you can override it |
| 02:36.02 | Adys | right thanks |
| 02:36.03 | Shirik | __declspec(packed) |
| 02:36.15 | Adys | yeah no i dont really care about vs6 |
| 02:36.18 | Shirik | or __declspec(align:2) |
| 02:36.19 | Shirik | etc. |
| 02:36.21 | Adys | but apparently blizzard fucked something up |
| 02:37.08 | Adys | and basically |
| 02:37.17 | Adys | what i wanted to know was, when would it align |
| 02:37.26 | Adys | eg. only for 4-byte structures? |
| 02:45.15 | Shirik | ~dict despecitly |
| 02:45.21 | Shirik | Adys: Compiler's choice |
| 02:45.36 | Shirik | Generally bytes are not aligned and ints are always aligned |
| 02:45.51 | Shirik | and floats/doubles are aligned on their natural boundaries |
| 02:46.04 | Shirik | actually I think everything aligns to its natural boundary now that I think about it |
| 02:46.14 | Shirik | ints are 4 bytes, so they're 4-byte aligned |
| 02:46.19 | Shirik | doubles are 4-byte aligned |
| 02:46.22 | Adys | hmm |
| 02:46.25 | Adys | thats what i thought |
| 02:46.25 | Shirik | or maybe 8 |
| 02:46.27 | Shirik | I'd have to check |
| 02:46.27 | Adys | thanks |
| 02:46.41 | Adys | yeah blizz doesnt use any doubles anywhere her |
| 02:46.42 | Adys | e |
| 02:48.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah you can tell because of all the rounding errors on cvars |
| 02:52.18 | Arrowmaster | so is there anything like a special language or experimental whitepaper on using fractions in programs and having the language store them as an actual fraction and be able to preform math on them as a fraction |
| 02:52.58 | Xinhuan | it'll be incredibly slow i think |
| 02:53.12 | Xinhuan | as it would be storing 2 integers for the fraction |
| 02:55.15 | Adys | Arrowmaster: erlang probably has something like that |
| 02:55.47 | Adys | oh and |
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| 02:55.53 | Adys | http://docs.python.org/library/fractions.html |
| 02:56.08 | Lopeppeppy | pouncels AbsolutRayne. Oh hi! |
| 02:56.15 | AbsolutRayne | Ohai indeed :) |
| 02:56.52 | Adys | pounceling? |
| 02:57.05 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy does what she likes, for verbings. |
| 02:57.08 | Adys | is that like pwn-counseling? |
| 02:57.12 | AbsolutRayne | I actually need some help with Grid, if anyones got a moment |
| 02:57.25 | Lopeppeppy | Blow it up. Use a magic marker instead! |
| 02:57.54 | Adys | So Shirik |
| 02:58.19 | AbsolutRayne | Actually sec |
| 02:58.22 | AbsolutRayne | Bossfight |
| 02:58.31 | Adys | if I want to parse the next int/float/whatever, how do I check against its alignment? |
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| 02:59.25 | Adys | Hi Kraps |
| 02:59.38 | Amarande | hmm, something I didn't notice before, but am glad for |
| 02:59.59 | Amarande | apparently, there is a practical hard cap on price of about 20g for dream shards and about 110g for abyss crystals :) |
| 03:00.06 | Amarande | if not possibly even less than that |
| 03:00.39 | Kraps | hey Adys |
| 03:00.43 | Kraps | hey Adys |
| 03:00.54 | Adys | quick, he's stuck in a loop |
| 03:01.03 | Shirik | hey Kraps |
| 03:01.04 | Shirik | hey Kraps |
| 03:01.30 | Kraps | adys started it |
| 03:01.36 | cbreak | some people really are rude... |
| 03:01.38 | Adys | I just said hi :( |
| 03:01.40 | AbsolutRayne | Im having a problem with Grid, and I had it before. I just cant remember how to fix it. |
| 03:01.44 | Adys | In 3 different channels |
| 03:01.49 | Adys | but thats not the point |
| 03:02.00 | Kraps | [10:59:53]<Adys>Hi Kraps |
| 03:02.02 | Kraps | [10:59:50]<Adys>Hi Kraps |
| 03:02.13 | Adys | yes, see, your client sucks balls |
| 03:02.31 | Kraps | wait |
| 03:02.33 | Lopeppeppy | What's it doing, or not doing, AbsolutRayne. |
| 03:02.45 | AbsolutRayne | Sorry peopel bitching |
| 03:02.46 | AbsolutRayne | ANyway |
| 03:02.48 | Adys | Kraps, hi |
| 03:02.49 | Kraps | the third one was [10:59:50]<Adys>Hi Kraps |
| 03:02.55 | AbsolutRayne | Whenever someone is below 100% HP, the frame goes black |
| 03:02.59 | AbsolutRayne | I forget how to fix that >< |
| 03:03.08 | Kraps | dude stop that! |
| 03:03.15 | Adys | get a better client |
| 03:03.15 | Adys | :P |
| 03:03.27 | Adys | oh my god |
| 03:03.31 | Adys | get a better browser too |
| 03:03.59 | Kraps | why are you pinging me in 3 channels? |
| 03:04.15 | Adys | To prove how bad your browser is |
| 03:04.16 | Kraps | and what does it have to do with my client? |
| 03:04.23 | Adys | Shirik: how am I supposed to calculate the padding? |
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| 03:04.43 | Adys | Kraps: if your client cant differenciate between them theres a problem |
| 03:04.51 | Lopeppeppy | I avoid Grid like the plague, so I'm not gonna be much help, AbsolutRayne. |
| 03:05.02 | AbsolutRayne | :( |
| 03:05.05 | Adys | grids Lopeppeppy |
| 03:05.21 | Lopeppeppy | oh baby. Please. Don't. Stop. *yawn* |
| 03:05.41 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trPKyf2lyBY&feature=player_embedded |
| 03:05.55 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: my client strips punctuation |
| 03:06.19 | AbsolutRayne | Its really bothering me now because ive fixed it before |
| 03:06.22 | AbsolutRayne | And I cant remember how. |
| 03:06.35 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: what do you heal with then? |
| 03:07.03 | Amarande | AbsolutRayne: whenever someone is under 100% HP the frame goes black? |
| 03:07.07 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, Pitbull frames, sRaidframes, PerfectRaid. |
| 03:07.09 | AbsolutRayne | Yeah |
| 03:07.10 | Amarande | lemme guess, you are using Grid because you are a healer? |
| 03:07.15 | AbsolutRayne | Mhm |
| 03:07.19 | Amarande | there's a simple way to deal with that then |
| 03:07.21 | Lopeppeppy | AbsolutRayne what I'm finding about that is all a year old, to do with aggro stuff. |
| 03:07.23 | Amarande | HEAL THEIR ASS |
| 03:07.23 | Amarande | lol |
| 03:07.27 | AbsolutRayne | :/ |
| 03:07.29 | AbsolutRayne | Not helping. |
| 03:07.39 | Amarande | wait, it stays black after they're healed? |
| 03:07.54 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: pitbull it too fucking complicated :( |
| 03:07.59 | AbsolutRayne | No, when theyre at 100% its fine, but if theyre at 99.99999% it goes black |
| 03:08.20 | AbsolutRayne | And below |
| 03:09.03 | Lopeppeppy | Or is your texture breaking, AbsolutRayne? Try a different bar texture. |
| 03:09.17 | AbsolutRayne | Thought that was it, and its not :/ |
| 03:09.22 | Shirik | Adys |
| 03:09.26 | Shirik | the natural boundary |
| 03:09.52 | Adys | Shirik: i meant, how do I calculate it given a specific address? |
| 03:10.00 | Adys | just divide it? |
| 03:10.01 | Shirik | address (0 + xn) where x is an arbitrary natural number and n is the size in bytes |
| 03:10.08 | Shirik | um |
| 03:10.09 | Lopeppeppy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=72D8C6E47E11D7DBE57E0BCF656B35FB.blade23_06?topicId=18031202518&postId=182744270266&sid=1 ? |
| 03:10.22 | Shirik | floor(addr / n) * n + n |
| 03:10.40 | Adys | how is that efficient :( |
| 03:10.48 | Shirik | that's not exactly right anyway |
| 03:11.14 | Kraps | Adys: whats wrong with Firefox? |
| 03:11.15 | Shirik | floor(addr - 1 / n) * n + n |
| 03:11.20 | Cide | Wobin: that's pretty sweet |
| 03:11.22 | Shirik | floor((addr - 1) / n) * n + n |
| 03:11.29 | Lopeppeppy | Other than that sweetie, I have no idea. Did you recently update and get a wonky-ass version? |
| 03:11.30 | Cide | nice ... yeah |
| 03:11.31 | Shirik | (floor((addr - 1) / n) + 1)* n |
| 03:11.33 | Shirik | there how's that |
| 03:11.42 | Cide | haha |
| 03:11.49 | Adys | erm |
| 03:11.55 | Adys | not efficient at all? i dunno :P |
| 03:12.01 | Cide | um |
| 03:12.05 | Cide | why are you caring about efficiency? |
| 03:12.06 | Adys | Cide, hi |
| 03:12.09 | Cide | hi |
| 03:12.13 | Shirik | because he's using python |
| 03:12.16 | Shirik | it already is slow as hell |
| 03:12.20 | Shirik | he's trying to compensate |
| 03:12.29 | Cide | clearly |
| 03:12.34 | Adys | because it's reading hundreds of thousands of rows per second and I try to make it as fast as i can |
| 03:12.46 | Shirik | ok for real though |
| 03:12.47 | Adys | the row is going to look at the padding up to 200 times per row |
| 03:12.51 | Adys | the parser* |
| 03:12.51 | Shirik | there's a modulo trick you should be able to use |
| 03:13.24 | Adys | better yet |
| 03:13.30 | Adys | i could pre-compute the padding spaces |
| 03:13.30 | Shirik | offset = addr % n; addr += offset ? (n - offset) : 0 |
| 03:13.49 | Cide | um |
| 03:13.57 | Adys | the rows are all identical in size |
| 03:14.07 | Adys | and structure |
| 03:14.11 | Adys | so if i know where the pads are for one |
| 03:14.15 | Adys | i know where they are for all |
| 03:14.22 | kd3 | yuck, weird, long-ass shifts at work suck |
| 03:14.31 | Adys | kd3: i fixed the bug! |
| 03:14.32 | Lopeppeppy | they do, kd3. /comfort |
| 03:14.40 | kd3 | yay! |
| 03:14.43 | Adys | well |
| 03:14.49 | kd3 | lemme guess, nothing to do with ldap? |
| 03:14.50 | Adys | it wasnt related to wldap32 |
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| 03:14.57 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 03:15.09 | Adys | we had a long debug session with hans |
| 03:15.10 | Adys | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22673 |
| 03:15.17 | Adys | and then |
| 03:15.26 | Adys | some guy reminded me that the same 3.3.5 ptr auth is used with sc2 |
| 03:15.30 | Adys | so i looked for bugs in sc2 |
| 03:15.30 | Adys | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21809 |
| 03:15.34 | Adys | patch fixed it |
| 03:15.45 | Adys | its prolly included in the fedora build |
| 03:15.58 | Amarande | woot herbalism max |
| 03:16.34 | Adys | gonna try to get it nominated for 1.2 |
| 03:16.45 | Arrowmaster | theres a link to somebodys ubuntu ppa in the sc2 appdb comments that has 1.1.43 + that patch i think |
| 03:17.02 | Shirik | ok wtf |
| 03:17.02 | kd3 | hopefully it comes before 3.3.5 goes live, otherwise it's going to get a /lot/ more popular >.> |
| 03:17.09 | Shirik | google in leet-speak? http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=xx-hacker&q=&tab=iw |
| 03:17.28 | kd3 | sure. it can do it in pig latin or klingon too |
| 03:17.30 | Adys | seriously Shirik |
| 03:17.31 | Adys | old |
| 03:17.31 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you are like 10 years late |
| 03:17.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:17.40 | Cide | haha |
| 03:17.42 | Cide | yep |
| 03:18.01 | Cide | 4DV4NC3D 534RC|-| |
| 03:18.15 | Wobin | Cide, Norwegian Recycling does some -really- good stuff |
| 03:18.16 | Shirik | ow |
| 03:18.26 | Arrowmaster | kd3, Adys: now fix my tf2, ive never been able to get it to work |
| 03:18.27 | Cide | I read that properly without even thinking |
| 03:18.36 | Adys | kd3: Ill see with henri and alexandre if the patch can be committed before .45/rc1 |
| 03:18.48 | Adys | wine is entering codefreeze |
| 03:19.55 | Shirik | omg they have klingon google too? |
| 03:19.59 | Shirik | why did nobody ever tell me this |
| 03:20.03 | kd3 | slow shirik is slow |
| 03:20.09 | Shirik | and why is there no borg google |
| 03:20.10 | kd3 | like decades ago now |
| 03:20.16 | Shirik | one would think they would have made that first |
| 03:20.18 | Adys | there is, shirik |
| 03:20.23 | Shirik | I tried xx-borg |
| 03:20.24 | Shirik | it didn't work |
| 03:20.40 | Adys | Shirik: and nobody told you this because you never told me about slashdot's x-futurama headers |
| 03:20.49 | Shirik | I don't read slashdot |
| 03:21.00 | Adys | I DONT CARE YOU STILL SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME |
| 03:21.21 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARwZ3scXQ7U&feature=player_embedded |
| 03:21.26 | Wobin | awesome =) |
| 03:21.27 | Shirik | Adys |
| 03:21.34 | Shirik | are you aware |
| 03:21.43 | Adys | no |
| 03:21.43 | Shirik | that if you used C++ you would not have to worry about these issues? |
| 03:22.28 | Amarande | okay |
| 03:22.29 | Adys | Shirik, no because this is irrelevant |
| 03:22.33 | Amarande | someone tell me how I got FUR from a nerubian |
| 03:22.35 | Amarande | lol |
| 03:22.41 | Wobin | not precisely a 'flash mob' |
| 03:22.45 | Wobin | but more performance art |
| 03:22.47 | Amarande | *skins undead spider looking thingy* You receive loot: Arctic Fur! |
| 03:22.56 | Adys | i'm parsing blizzard's shit outside of a managed environment |
| 03:23.21 | Shirik | Amarande: Fair Use Rationale? |
| 03:23.39 | AbsolutRayne | Ugh, still cant find any info |
| 03:24.11 | Cide | speaking of c++ |
| 03:24.18 | Cide | I got boost.python to work finally Shirik |
| 03:24.40 | Cide | turns out python only imports .pyd files... which are just .dll files renamed (this I figured out after 2 hours of clawing at my hair) |
| 03:24.41 | Shirik | ew |
| 03:24.45 | Shirik | eeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 03:24.47 | Cide | why? |
| 03:24.54 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:24.55 | Adys | Cide: i could have told you this |
| 03:24.55 | Shirik | exactly |
| 03:24.55 | Shirik | why |
| 03:25.05 | Cide | I need it for our project since I'm using django |
| 03:25.07 | Cide | GOD ARE YOU SLOW |
| 03:25.11 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 03:25.11 | Cide | we discussed this like a month ago |
| 03:25.12 | Shirik | yeah |
| 03:25.15 | Cide | you even put in a ticket |
| 03:25.16 | Shirik | ok you are forgiven |
| 03:25.28 | Cide | which I could check off if you hadn't shut down the server |
| 03:25.30 | Adys | And you are forbidden to make fun of python for the next 18 months |
| 03:25.35 | Shirik | no |
| 03:25.40 | Adys | oh yes |
| 03:25.58 | Cide | Adys: well I wasn't here at the time! |
| 03:26.28 | Adys | Cide: nethertheless, I need your help |
| 03:26.43 | Cide | that's unfortunate since I'm going to bed |
| 03:26.51 | Shirik | your fun IP address of the day: |
| 03:26.55 | Adys | that's unfortunate since I'm keeping you awake |
| 03:27.07 | Adys | fu |
| 03:27.07 | Adys | :( |
| 03:27.53 | Shirik | lua> ip = "222.254.200.237"; s = ""; for b in ip:gmatch("%d+") do s = s .. (("%x"):format(tonumber(b))) end print(s) |
| 03:27.57 | lua_bot | Shirik: defec8ed |
| 03:28.18 | Arrowmaster | thats a multicast address though isnt it |
| 03:28.26 | Shirik | hm |
| 03:28.47 | Shirik | maybe |
| 03:28.51 | Shirik | I always screwed up multicast |
| 03:29.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Cide (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se) |
| 03:29.12 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 03:29.13 | Arrowmaster | oh wait no, multicast starts at 224 |
| 03:29.15 | Cide | fooled |
| 03:29.18 | Adys | GOTCHA |
| 03:29.20 | Shirik | no it's definitely assigned |
| 03:29.27 | Adys | Cide: help me parse this shit |
| 03:29.28 | Amarande | hm, I think I'm starting to identify one of the biggest areas in which I fail in WoW |
| 03:29.29 | Shirik | descr: HoChiMinh City Post and Telecom Company |
| 03:29.39 | Cide | uhh I'm heading to bed |
| 03:29.40 | Amarande | I seem to have a lot of trouble remembering to activate my DPS trinkets every CD |
| 03:29.48 | Shirik | ~whois 222.254.200.237 |
| 03:29.54 | Amarande | I wonder just how much DPS I've been losing due to that |
| 03:30.35 | Adys | Cide: I have an arbitrary amount of rows with the exact same structure. the structure's fields are naturally padded. What's the most efficient way to determine and lookup the padding *or* parse it? |
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| 03:32.09 | Cide | um |
| 03:32.17 | Cide | parse one row and determine the offsets of each field? |
| 03:32.26 | Cide | and use that for every following field? |
| 03:33.12 | Adys | i was sort of hoping you'd tell me from __magic__ import padding |
| 03:33.17 | Adys | and have it work without any code |
| 03:33.23 | Cide | qq |
| 03:37.00 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@heresiarchguild ~/spambot $ find . | grep lua | sed -re 's/.*\.lua/\1-1.lua/' |
| 03:37.00 | Shirik | sed: -e expression #1, char 19: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS |
| 03:37.02 | Shirik | what's wrong here? |
| 03:37.17 | Shirik | trying to append a -1 to every lua file's name |
| 03:37.38 | kd3 | `rename .lua -1.lua *.lua` |
| 03:37.39 | kd3 | ? |
| 03:37.46 | Shirik | this problem is over-simplified |
| 03:37.55 | Shirik | I'm actually doing something more complex |
| 03:37.58 | Cide | seems like you didn't capture the reference? |
| 03:38.02 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:38.03 | Shirik | fail |
| 03:38.10 | Cide | (.*) etc |
| 03:38.17 | Shirik | yeah that was pretty fail |
| 03:38.20 | Cide | yep |
| 03:39.07 | Arrowmaster | that doesnt look like proper usage of sed |
| 03:39.49 | AbsolutRayne | Ok I fixed it |
| 03:39.51 | AbsolutRayne | yay! |
| 03:40.46 | Lopeppeppy | what did you fix? |
| 03:40.50 | Lopeppeppy | So I can remember for later? |
| 03:41.03 | AbsolutRayne | Sec, boss fight startin |
| 03:42.21 | Lopeppeppy | Lazy healer, let the bot do the work and talk to me. :P |
| 03:42.42 | Legorol | omg... I just completed Portal.. and loving it! |
| 03:42.49 | Legorol | it's the most ridiculous game i have ever played |
| 03:43.16 | PProvost | Steam should give me my money back for having paid for it. :P |
| 03:43.30 | Legorol | :) |
| 03:43.40 | Legorol | can i just say... level 19... epic! what a shocker |
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| 03:43.57 | Shirik | btw |
| 03:43.59 | Lopeppeppy | cake is a lie, dear. |
| 03:43.59 | Shirik | win: find . | grep 'tpz-tb...\.avi' | sed -re 's/tpz-tb(\d)(\d\d)\.avi/Some-Other-Thing-S0\1E\2/' | xargs -n 2 mv |
| 03:44.05 | Shirik | ^ what I ended up needing kd3 |
| 03:44.08 | Shirik | thanks all |
| 03:44.22 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: not true, there's one adorning the main menu now :o) |
| 03:44.37 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: horrible usage of xargs |
| 03:44.37 | Lopeppeppy | *gasp* |
| 03:44.44 | Lopeppeppy | I want cake. No fair. |
| 03:44.48 | Legorol | hehe |
| 03:45.02 | Shirik | Arrowmaster :( |
| 03:45.08 | Shirik | got a better idea? |
| 03:45.38 | Arrowmaster | i would have used rename |
| 03:46.57 | Shirik | well what if I didn't have a "rename"! |
| 03:46.57 | Arrowmaster | you could have probably done away with the grep and done that with find |
| 03:47.00 | Shirik | yeah |
| 03:47.01 | Shirik | I know |
| 03:47.05 | Shirik | I just suck at find parameters |
| 03:47.13 | Shirik | grep I know like the back of my hand |
| 03:47.20 | Arrowmaster | and when using find and xargs its best to get in the habbit of using -0 |
| 03:48.07 | Shirik | considered it |
| 03:48.17 | Shirik | but then I realized it would probably break my sed magic |
| 03:52.57 | Shirik | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-15/apple-s-jobs-asked-gizmodo-to-return-stolen-iphone-prototype.html |
| 03:56.23 | Shirik | wtf http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_kiss_your_stepsister |
| 03:57.15 | Lopeppeppy | I like the answer. Question is... inbred. |
| 03:57.18 | Shirik | or http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_kiss_a_stepsister |
| 03:57.43 | Lopeppeppy | how do you find this crap? |
| 03:58.04 | Shirik | hahaha http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_scare_stepsisters |
| 03:58.36 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: When you're on Wikipedia looking at its inner bowels, you manage to find links to random shit other people find |
| 03:58.40 | Shirik | it's all second-hand |
| 03:59.13 | Lopeppeppy | You poor dear. |
| 03:59.29 | Lopeppeppy | second hand bullshit causes cancer of the brain, you know. |
| 03:59.41 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: have you looked at the google search suggestions for 'how to get your sister' |
| 03:59.59 | Amarande | wow, maybe I can tank on my DK after all |
| 04:00.10 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: ._. |
| 04:00.18 | Amarande | DTK, we pulled one group and a pat group comes by, the real tank gets gibbed, I somehow manage to hold everything |
| 04:00.23 | Shirik | and Lopeppeppy: It's ok, I don't have much of one to lose anyway |
| 04:00.34 | Lopeppeppy | I like your brain. Be nicer to it. |
| 04:01.07 | Nechckn | I go between backing Apple and then backing Gizmodo... mostly due to Apple being douche bags. |
| 04:01.23 | Shirik | agreed |
| 04:01.26 | Lopeppeppy | Neither of them look rosy over this, Nechckn. |
| 04:01.30 | Nechckn | "no special influence" pulease..... |
| 04:02.04 | Amarande | basically, not only did I manage to tank a group, but also a DOUBLE SIZE group from what is the expected pull |
| 04:02.15 | Lopeppeppy | Kiss your healer. |
| 04:02.31 | Amarande | and I'm not even fully specced or geared for tanking, just a 76 frost in mainly blues of which only a couple are really tank itemized |
| 04:02.54 | Amarande | Peppy: yeah and probably those "annoying tanking items" I ended up with from the nexus quests because there wasn't a plate DPS option |
| 04:03.16 | Lopeppeppy | darn them for forcing you to take durable gear! |
| 04:04.15 | Amarande | not much avoidance, but I do have 401 def at 76 |
| 04:05.04 | Amarande | I seem to have hit my stride with this DK |
| 04:05.10 | Amarande | I'm still bad at remembering to activate DPS trinkets though :S |
| 04:06.55 | Amarande | what *is* the usual way of avoiding said memory lapses |
| 04:07.23 | Amarande | some people apparently macro them into their rotation, but since Frost doesn't really *have* much of a choreographed rotation |
| 04:07.52 | Amarande | Frost is pretty much "hit your most damaging ability that happens to be active right now, forget about things cooling down/rotating into a definite order" LOL |
| 04:08.39 | Amarande | maybe that's a particular reason I enjoy it though |
| 04:08.56 | Amarande | because it *isn't* a "okay, here's my drinking duck desk novelty, just set it to keep bopping 1" spec |
| 04:09.44 | Nechckn | I want a lifesize one o' those ducks... |
| 04:10.09 | Nechckn | Just to have it, and watch it. |
| 04:10.19 | Amarande | hm, another reason I seem to level so quickly compared to the expected zone levels ... probably because I'm a herbalist |
| 04:10.38 | Amarande | I expect herbalists and miners to level faster vs. the zone levels than most other profession combinations, actually |
| 04:11.03 | PProvost | Because they kill extra stuff to get to nodes? |
| 04:11.06 | Amarande | yeah, mainly because all those extra mobs you fight to get that slightly out of the way node add up quickly :) |
| 04:11.19 | PProvost | I've a friend who won't buy a mount |
| 04:11.22 | PProvost | Runs everywhere |
| 04:11.25 | PProvost | Kills everything |
| 04:11.32 | Nechckn | lol, nice |
| 04:11.32 | PProvost | Levels very fast |
| 04:12.05 | Nechckn | Interesting idea.. wonder if someone has compared that to the "only do the bare minimum" type |
| 04:12.21 | Amarande | Nechckn: well, I have noticed that cats and rogues seem to be a good way to level slowly |
| 04:12.27 | Amarande | because you stealth so much and skip so many mobs |
| 04:12.47 | Nechckn | I always take skiinning and then herb/mining until very high level, so I've always sort of done the kill everything, thing. |
| 04:13.05 | Amarande | I have all the crafting professions represented among my characters already, so the DK got dual gathering |
| 04:13.36 | Nechckn | Hehe.. so, double the gather, double the area? eh? |
| 04:14.12 | Nechckn | Pretty neat to think of, I guess... at least when it is earlier and I can keep a train of thought. =) |
| 04:14.22 | Lopeppeppy | I know I did a lot of foot running in Felwood, was never worth mounting up between nodes. |
| 04:14.56 | Nechckn | lol.. I always stop to get my furblog killer, buddy furblog! |
| 04:15.23 | Nechckn | So, that takes a lot of circuits of that area in felwood, it has some nice mining spots, too. =) |
| 04:15.35 | Nechckn | Herbalism, not so much... they are a bit further off. |
| 04:16.13 | Amarande | oh yeah, and if you have herbalism or mining, or are a hunter, make sure you do both HF and BT first before moving on if you want the questing achievements for both :) |
| 04:17.18 | Amarande | (Mainly because 71 quests go grey at 80 and then you have to use your tracking slot for Low Level Quests to find things ...) |
| 04:17.54 | Amarande | Quite annoying, really. Couldn't they have just made "show low level quests on minimap" a general UI option instead of making it use the tracking slot? |
| 04:18.58 | Nechckn | You should get 1 "helper" for each part of the Ambassador achievement that combine to for Ambasatron if you have all three!! |
| 04:20.04 | Nechckn | Abasatron, Defender of the Azeroth! |
| 04:20.17 | Nechckn | okay, so maybe not, but I think it would be cool |
| 04:20.25 | Amarande | heh |
| 04:20.44 | Amarande | you mean kinda like how you assemble Erde Kaiser from the various scattered robot parts in Xenosaga? |
| 04:20.55 | Amarande | (It's too bad that EK was so ridiculously game breaking except in 2, though) |
| 04:21.26 | Nechckn | Same basic idea, sure. |
| 04:21.51 | Nechckn | Take that sucker into BGs and have it like vaporize a few enemies before disassembling and disappearing. |
| 04:22.30 | Amarande | and by game breaking |
| 04:22.39 | Amarande | I mean in 3, it ONE SHOT THE FINAL BOSS |
| 04:23.01 | Amarande | at least, 3's "real" EK, EK Sigma |
| 04:23.14 | Amarande | there were three other EK summons, but those were basically just generic strong all-hit spells |
| 04:23.31 | Amarande | honestly, I think the only thing in 3 that can survive a shot from the EK Sigma is the boss you had to fight to get it (thus, the one boss you *can't use it on*) |
| 04:23.38 | Amarande | in 1, there were only 2 enemies that could take it at full health and live |
| 04:24.04 | Wobin | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/100637-Tyra-Banks-Fancies-Herself-the-Next-J-R-R-Tolkien |
| 04:24.07 | Wobin | I... have no words |
| 04:24.09 | Nechckn | It has been a while, but.. yeah, it was very nice fwir |
| 04:24.10 | Amarande | in 2 ... it was a damn strong finisher, but you still had to build up a significant combo for it to be, and most of the enemies that was recommended on are ones you reaaaaaaally didn't want to see live longer than a few turns if you could help it. :) |
| 04:24.17 | kd3 | wobin; o_O |
| 04:24.28 | Amarande | enemies in 2 tended to have low HP rage syndrome that WoW bosses would have loved to learn how to do. :) |
| 04:25.38 | Nechckn | haha, true. |
| 04:25.41 | Amarande | In most RPGs, if you get a boss down to about 6,000 of 32,000 HP, it means you're almost done and it's just a matter of mopping up |
| 04:25.48 | Amarande | In XS 2, if you did this, it usually meant you were going to die. :) |
| 04:26.01 | Nechckn | Wobin I look forward to the movie. (NOT) |
| 04:26.20 | Amarande | I still remember the time it happened to me on Space Pope, and at that point he busts out such nasty attacks that I was only able to limp along far enough to get him down to about 3,000 before expiring |
| 04:26.43 | Wobin | Nechckn, actually, what I would -love-, is if it sold better than Twilight =P |
| 04:27.08 | Amarande | talking like "1500-2000 damage to everyone spells every turn when everyone only ever HAS a bit more HP than that and healing sucks in this game to boot" |
| 04:27.10 | Nechckn | Hrm... models, check, silly story, check! |
| 04:27.39 | Amarande | hmm, at some point I need to remember to go to Dalaran |
| 04:27.44 | Amarande | but at this point, there's not really a point heh |
| 04:28.01 | Nechckn | Amarande It is either that or they are too easy, so... a few like that are not bad. |
| 04:28.10 | Nechckn | When all the bosses do that, then it is not so fun. |
| 04:28.11 | Amarande | Profession trainers? This is a maxed dual gathering toon |
| 04:28.36 | Amarande | Rep items? I don't remember Kirin Tor Friendly having much, and the higher stuff pretty much needs 80 anyway |
| 04:28.48 | Amarande | Think about the only good reason for me to go to Dalaran at this point would be to pick up the quest for VH |
| 04:30.26 | Amarande | wonder if Dalaran is a little less laggy on offpeak hours now because there's so much less need for many characters to even go there before 80 |
| 04:30.49 | Lopeppeppy | needs to be tucked in! |
| 04:32.40 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:32.44 | Wobin | I want to make tresleches |
| 04:32.49 | Wobin | but I don't want to wait overnight |
| 04:32.55 | Wobin | to eat the deliciousness |
| 04:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | A local used bookstore and gaming shop is considering adding BPAL to their wares, and doesn't understand why some people will stop shopping there. They have no sense that some gamer males would slit their wrists rather than game in a perfume store, and some allergy sufferers won't be buying books steeped in perfumes. |
| 04:33.07 | Wobin | I should have thought of this yesterday =P |
| 04:33.10 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sad. I've shopped in that store for well over a decade. |
| 04:33.23 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, plan ahead more planfully! |
| 04:33.37 | Kraps | what, priest t9 4pc is shit |
| 04:33.45 | Kraps | healing |
| 04:33.46 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, not to mention a lot of the geeks I know that buy in those sorts of shops are asthmatic |
| 04:33.49 | Wobin | Kraps, inorite? |
| 04:33.50 | Amarande | Kraps: it probably used to be good |
| 04:33.56 | Wobin | it's -terrible- =( |
| 04:34.00 | Amarande | they nerfed all the T9 set bonuses to give an incentive to people to get T10 |
| 04:34.06 | Wobin | well, it's pretty absymal |
| 04:34.10 | Amarande | so it was probably something that was once good and ended up sucking with the nerf |
| 04:34.27 | Lunessa | What is BPAL? |
| 04:34.28 | Wobin | I have to save up for two piece T10, but since I'm gearing shadow |
| 04:34.39 | Wobin | Black Phoenix Alchemy LAb |
| 04:34.43 | Lopeppeppy | BPAL is perfume oils. |
| 04:34.48 | Wobin | bespoke perfume |
| 04:34.51 | Lopeppeppy | Some of them are seriously noxious. |
| 04:34.55 | Lunessa | Yeah, I'd quit going there. |
| 04:35.15 | Lopeppeppy | Some are pleasant, but I'm allergic to it all. Why would I buy books that smell like someone else's perfume choices? |
| 04:35.19 | Lunessa | I don't even like the goddamned halmark and craft stores that stink of perfume. |
| 04:35.43 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:35.52 | Lopeppeppy | The owners are swearing that oil based perfumes don't pervade like traditional perfumes. I say bullshit, I can smell them every time I go into my girlfriend's bathroom. |
| 04:35.54 | Amarande | are there any quests that kill the boss in OK that isn't part of the random run |
| 04:36.03 | Amarande | or is the only way to get that achievement now to do a guild/friends run? |
| 04:36.17 | Lopeppeppy | So I have shopped my last at my favorite used book store. |
| 04:36.19 | Lopeppeppy | *sigh* |
| 04:36.20 | Wobin | Amarande, there's the one for the strange fungi |
| 04:36.49 | Amarande | I'm still trying to remember who the boss I'm missing is |
| 04:36.55 | Amarande | I know that even on normal, you still miss a boss on a random run |
| 04:36.56 | Wobin | jedoga? |
| 04:36.59 | Amarande | because Volazj is not the last boss |
| 04:37.04 | Wobin | you normally skip jedoga |
| 04:37.07 | Kraps | Wobin: now i only want to get the hands and legs for the haste |
| 04:37.08 | Lunessa | :( Sowwy peppy. |
| 04:37.14 | Amarande | ah yes, jedoga |
| 04:37.19 | Amarande | why'd they make him skipped for randoms? |
| 04:37.26 | Amarande | none of the other randoms in LK skip a boss |
| 04:37.33 | Wobin | technically, you can skip -all- the bosses |
| 04:37.36 | Amarande | I can understand HEROIC skipping Amanitar otoh |
| 04:37.36 | Wobin | if you wall walk |
| 04:37.44 | Amarande | mainly because Amanitar is a bitch and a half |
| 04:37.48 | Amarande | but Jedoga? :S |
| 04:37.51 | Lopeppeppy | There's a trashy one down in Troy, it's just harder to get to. Flights was within walking distance of the boyfriend's house. |
| 04:38.03 | Wobin | jedoga kills with the lightning nova |
| 04:38.06 | Wobin | and whirlwind |
| 04:38.09 | Wobin | it's terrible for melee |
| 04:38.26 | Nechckn | Lopeppeppy There are many good bookstores around here. Just sayin' ;-) |
| 04:38.28 | Amarande | also apparently rabies is good for you in WoW |
| 04:38.37 | Wobin | bites Amarande |
| 04:38.39 | Lopeppeppy | But I live here, Nechckn! |
| 04:38.52 | Nechckn | That could change... |
| 04:38.59 | Amarande | at least the version in Northrend, isn't even really so much a "debuff" at all |
| 04:39.03 | Amarande | as a "buff that costs some HP" |
| 04:39.23 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I'm gonna move to Texas to torment Lunessa and Jelly! |
| 04:39.33 | Nechckn | sniffles... |
| 04:39.33 | Lunessa | Ok. |
| 04:39.42 | Nechckn | Fine, move over there, then... |
| 04:39.45 | Amarande | Hell, a lot of the melee attacks in Shin Megami Tensei games are worse for you than WoW rabies. :) |
| 04:39.54 | Lunessa | You can get the apartment next door and lan party every weekend. |
| 04:40.43 | Lopeppeppy | We can choke each other's internet connections trying to download at the same time. |
| 04:40.54 | Nechckn | Pfft.. hole in the wall, with a nice fiber connection and boom. |
| 04:41.01 | p3lim | Anyone skilled up Engineering through AH recently? |
| 04:41.08 | p3lim | Just curious about the price |
| 04:42.03 | Lunessa | Nechckn - PFFT. Wi-Fi. |
| 04:42.08 | Amarande | p3lim: not too bad if you are doing a lot of high level quests and aren't on a server where the mithril or thorium market is silly |
| 04:42.20 | Amarande | for a while here on Turalyon it was running like nearly 100g a stack for mithril :P |
| 04:42.36 | p3lim | Im kinda dumping mining for it, so I could get it myself |
| 04:43.16 | Lunessa | p3lim Get a lot of fucking thorium. |
| 04:43.24 | Lunessa | When you think you have too much. |
| 04:43.28 | Lunessa | Got get more. |
| 04:43.59 | Lunessa | Then, when you can't find any room in your inventory, go get that amount again. |
| 04:44.07 | Lunessa | You *migh* have enough. |
| 04:45.04 | p3lim | Know a guide that is quite accurate/up to date? |
| 04:45.05 | Amarande | Get a lot of Dark Iron, as well. |
| 04:45.16 | p3lim | So I can gather before I dump mining |
| 04:45.23 | Amarande | 285 (think it's 285) to 300 are best done with Dark Iron Bomb, because they are stupidly powerful at level 35 when you can first get that level of Eng. |
| 04:45.37 | Amarande | Made Dustwallow SO much easier to have some of those. |
| 04:45.40 | p3lim | I'm 80 |
| 04:46.28 | Amarande | also, if you haven't leveled a hunter yet and plan to, make sure to take a trip to BRD and make a Dark Iron Rifle. It just owns 50-60. |
| 04:46.39 | Lunessa | Gather a lot of goddamn outlands metals too. Khorium will make you weep |
| 04:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | A lot. |
| 04:46.48 | p3lim | heirloom gun is better, aint it? |
| 04:47.01 | Amarande | not sure |
| 04:47.09 | Amarande | the proc on Dark Iron seems pretty frequent |
| 04:47.24 | p3lim | I had Dark Iron Rifle on my hunter in vanilla, indeed it was good |
| 04:47.31 | Amarande | plus you can't put a scope on an heirloom gun, because 1) it's a binding enchant (none of which are allowed) and 2) all scopes require at the minimum ilvl 5 |
| 04:47.45 | Amarande | yeah, DIR will easily last you to Outland |
| 04:48.11 | Amarande | unless you get lucky and land the core marksman rifle or the arcanite gun schematics |
| 04:48.25 | p3lim | by TBC came I had this one tho: http://www.wowhead.com/item=19361 |
| 04:48.34 | Amarande | I know where to get the Arcanite gun schematic, but it didn't drop the last time I was by the area |
| 04:48.42 | Amarande | (the mobs don't spawn fast enough to make it worthwhile to stay) |
| 04:49.09 | p3lim | Anyways, any of you know of a guide that is accurate with mats? |
| 04:49.14 | Amarande | shiny. |
| 04:49.19 | p3lim | So I can gather all mining-related stuff beforehand |
| 04:49.30 | Amarande | p3lim: download tradeskill info |
| 04:49.42 | p3lim | whatnow? |
| 04:49.42 | Lunessa | I don't, sorry. I did it all the hard way. |
| 04:49.50 | Amarande | nice thing about TSinfo too is that it adds the yellow/green/grey thresholds to your crafting window |
| 04:50.26 | Amarande | I pretty much consulted said window, looked to see which of the orange recipes I could make was most cost effective, then made as many as I saw it would make before it would go yellow |
| 04:50.28 | p3lim | I'm replacing mining with engineering, so I'd have to get the ores etc before I get engineering at all |
| 04:50.35 | Amarande | once it went yellow, I trained everything I could, and repeated the process |
| 04:51.30 | Amarande | heh, another nerubian that somehow had fur |
| 04:51.32 | p3lim | Thats why i'd like a list of what to gather |
| 04:51.47 | Lopeppeppy | some spiders are fuzzy |
| 04:52.00 | Nechckn | I think that a gnome DK may be fun, just for the size thing. |
| 04:52.02 | Amarande | I should have a nice stock of arctic fur by the time I even get grand master LW at this rate |
| 04:52.18 | Amarande | simply because none of the leather and herbs I gather go to the AH |
| 04:52.32 | Nechckn | Sort of like the gnome WAR I have, just for the dual 2 handers. |
| 04:52.33 | Amarande | I make enough from questing for now, the leather and herbs go to the banks of my LW and alchemist until they're leveled enough to use them |
| 04:52.41 | Amarande | then I will sell the overstock after maxing their professions |
| 04:53.06 | Amarande | (the LW and alchemist also have their gathering professions, but this should make sure I have PLENTY) |
| 04:53.35 | Amarande | especially important for herbs, because you go through so many for inscription (actually, the spare herbs from alch will go to the scribe until she's done with them too) |
| 04:54.45 | Amarande | I'm starting to think actually that my LW and alch desperately need to at least level to 35 soon |
| 04:54.52 | Amarande | simply because their banks are packed |
| 04:55.19 | Amarande | 35 would let me use and sell off the old world leather from the druid, and move the old world herbs on to the scribe |
| 04:55.24 | Amarande | make more room for LK herbs and leather :) |
| 04:56.08 | Lopeppeppy | level 'em up! |
| 04:56.26 | Amarande | and now it is time to queue for AN! |
| 04:57.05 | Amarande | and normal OK, too |
| 04:57.12 | Amarande | wow, only two quests for AN and one for OK? |
| 04:57.25 | Amarande | no wonder I never saw AN on the warlock |
| 04:59.26 | Nechckn | I hate picking races... anyone have thougthts on "best" DK race for Alliance/Horde? |
| 04:59.27 | Amarande | wow, the OK quest only needs Volazj too |
| 04:59.58 | Nechckn | human, I would think.. and maybe tauren for the extra STA? |
| 05:00.21 | Amarande | Neckckn: possibly blood elf, as the magic resistance would slightly complement the anti-caster orientation of DKs |
| 05:01.20 | Amarande | ... it would help if I stayed away from stars rest ... |
| 05:01.40 | Amarande | troll comes to mind also, as DKs have relatively few ranged abilities so the snare reduction would help a lot there too |
| 05:01.57 | Amarande | and then there's always orc for the generic power boost of their racial |
| 05:02.03 | Nechckn | hrm.. yeah, that would be pretty good, along with the silence/rune power up. |
| 05:02.06 | Amarande | not sure there really is a best :) |
| 05:02.59 | Nechckn | I usually overthink it and end up with like the worst combo. |
| 05:03.01 | Amarande | OH FUCK YOU MAGE HUNTER. |
| 05:03.05 | Amarande | Frost reflection. WHY FROST. |
| 05:03.26 | Amarande | PvE, racials seem to have a fairly small effect |
| 05:03.31 | Amarande | it's more PvP where they seem to matter a lot at times |
| 05:04.04 | Nechckn | true, at least for what I do.. which is solo pve and BGs |
| 05:04.12 | Nechckn | "mostly" |
| 05:04.16 | Nechckn | ;-) |
| 05:04.19 | Amarande | and as for orc |
| 05:04.21 | Amarande | let's put it this way |
| 05:04.27 | Amarande | I forget my DPS trinkets' on use abilities |
| 05:04.35 | Amarande | am I really going to remember my orcish temporary damage boost? heh |
| 05:05.15 | Amarande | mostly I put my trinkets on the action bar but then never really think to use them unless maybe I'm fighting a particularly tough elite |
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| 05:05.25 | Amarande | which is probably why I forget to use them when DPSing instances, too |
| 05:05.25 | Nechckn | It does have the addeed damage to pets, though.. too. |
| 05:05.33 | Amarande | since I so rarely use them in questing |
| 05:05.41 | Nechckn | If they are out, of course |
| 05:06.26 | Nechckn | Lol, yeah.. unless in an instance with a boss or a tough elite, mine usually stay dormant, too. |
| 05:07.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god, I am never napping in the daytime again... |
| 05:07.34 | Nechckn | Lopeppeppy I say that mose days. |
| 05:08.03 | Lopeppeppy | My naps are rare, the elimination diet is kicking my ass. |
| 05:09.34 | Amarande | well, yeah, isn't it supposed to kick your ass out of you until you haven't got one? |
| 05:09.35 | Amarande | LOL |
| 05:09.47 | Amarande | Isn't that what diets do :) |
| 05:10.08 | Lopeppeppy | No, this isn't a get-skinny diet, it's a stop-getting-sick kind of dont-eat-what-makes-me-sick diet. |
| 05:10.41 | Lopeppeppy | (elimination diets are often food-allergy related, for example) |
| 05:10.47 | Amarande | ah. |
| 05:10.55 | Amarande | unknown food allergy |
| 05:11.02 | Amarande | need to lay off the [Mystery Meat] probably :) |
| 05:11.22 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, no more dragon chili |
| 05:11.51 | Nechckn | Go to all vegetables and fruit |
| 05:12.24 | Amarande | you know, [Destroyed Magic Item] sounds like the kind of thing that could have shown potential more than just being a grey |
| 05:12.32 | Lopeppeppy | Actually can't have fruits. :) Veggies, lean protein, brown rice, beans... |
| 05:12.34 | Amarande | why not make it rarer, and then make it a green that can be DEd but not used for anything else? |
| 05:12.43 | Amarande | after all, we destroy magic items daily, it's called DEing |
| 05:12.50 | Adys | Shirik |
| 05:12.52 | Adys | seek = (address % field.size) |
| 05:12.53 | Adys | seek = seek and -(seek - field.size) |
| 05:12.54 | Nechckn | I have maybe one meal of chicken and one o' fish per week, other than that it is vegs, a tiny bit o' dairy, and some fruit. |
| 05:13.06 | Lopeppeppy | No diary either. :) |
| 05:13.21 | Thunder_Child | tab fail Adys |
| 05:13.23 | Lopeppeppy | No gluten. |
| 05:13.30 | Adys | Thunder_Child: ? |
| 05:13.31 | Nechckn | damn.. you get like no fun! |
| 05:13.38 | Lopeppeppy | A lot of "no", including "no fun", yes. |
| 05:13.48 | Nechckn | I bet that is in there! |
| 05:13.59 | Amarande | Peppy: heh. take a look at the sign on level 26 of Eternal Doom |
| 05:14.02 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I think it's item #3 on the list of 12 general categories. |
| 05:14.05 | Amarande | it's all these things like "... absolutely no fun!" |
| 05:14.11 | Adys | Thunder_Child: i dont get any tab fail here |
| 05:14.18 | Thunder_Child | Adys: your post was indented like crazy |
| 05:14.33 | Adys | um |
| 05:14.36 | Adys | yourclient fail? |
| 05:15.33 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. I'm going to try going to bed again, Rosie needs her meds and stuff. Kiss kiss guys! |
| 05:15.33 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 05:15.46 | Amarande | Man, I miss DOOM. |
| 05:15.58 | Amarande | And generally the sort of days when hi-res graphics took more of a back seat to fun design |
| 05:16.11 | Corrodias2 | but... DooM was cutting edge in graphics... |
| 05:16.34 | Corrodias2 | and consisted largely of monster closets and key collection... |
| 05:17.57 | Amarande | WTF. this rogue has more HP than me *or* the tank, and he's lower level than either of us |
| 05:20.02 | Lunessa | gearing for STA on a rogue ftl |
| 05:21.18 | Amarande | although he does seem to have a couple of BoAs and engineering goggles of the bandit that give 99 stam |
| 05:21.24 | Amarande | and a bunch of old tier gear |
| 05:21.35 | Amarande | and now our tank and healer ditched us |
| 05:21.40 | Amarande | mal'ganis = douche. *sigh* |
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| 05:31.16 | Pytlask | Hey everyone! How's it going? |
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| 05:33.59 | Amarande | oh, and our tank before ditching us said something to another player about "don't have people queue for you" |
| 05:34.05 | Amarande | which none of us was able to figure out the meaning of |
| 05:36.25 | Amarande | like how exactly do you "have someone queue for you" wtf. |
| 05:36.32 | Wobin | operation tresleches underway |
| 05:36.37 | Wobin | oh god, tasty batter |
| 05:38.14 | Amarande | Tivax's Key Fragment ... wasn't that that crazy gnome from Baldur's Gate? |
| 05:38.16 | Amarande | Oh, that was Tiax |
| 05:38.27 | Amarande | heh, I can imagine Tiax meeting Arthas |
| 05:38.32 | Amarande | "NO! ARTHAS NOT KING! TIAX IS KING!" |
| 05:42.20 | Amarande | hmm also speaking of arthas |
| 05:42.25 | Amarande | I need to remember not to play ICC25 too much on this DK |
| 05:42.36 | Wobin | or... |
| 05:42.41 | Amarande | I love Frost spec, but if I gain a Shadowmourne I'll be forced to change :| |
| 05:42.51 | Amarande | and pretty much completely relearn how to play DK, heh |
| 05:42.58 | Amarande | because Frost is so intimately tied into DW now |
| 05:43.06 | Wobin | wait til caty |
| 05:43.18 | Wobin | I wonder, will they close off ICC in Caty? |
| 05:44.00 | Amarande | why would they? |
| 05:44.12 | Amarande | the general talk is that Northrend and Outland are being left basically unchanged |
| 05:44.34 | Wobin | I can see outland being unaffected by deathscale or whatever his name is |
| 05:44.38 | Amarande | (well, except for that the Wrathgate chain I guess will probably change at least a little with Orgrimmar and Undercity having to be altered for Cata, plus Thrall no longer being the Warchief) |
| 05:44.47 | Wobin | but northrend... =\ |
| 05:44.59 | Amarande | Northrend isn't changing, that we know of |
| 05:45.15 | Amarande | besides, Yogg probably has too much influence on the underground parts there for Deathwing to get a foothold |
| 05:45.34 | Wobin | anyway, if you get Frostmourne, frost will be dps then =P |
| 05:46.30 | Amarande | actually, I'm Frost DPS now |
| 05:46.39 | Amarande | the reason Shadowmourne would kill my playstyle is that Frost DPS only works well as a DW playstyle |
| 05:46.52 | Amarande | getting that strong a 2H would virtually compel me to give up Frost and go Blood Tank or Unholy DPS |
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| 05:47.49 | Lothaer | hey guys |
| 05:48.37 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 05:48.43 | Lothaer | yes |
| 05:48.44 | Lothaer | ? |
| 05:48.50 | Thunder_Child | no, never |
| 05:48.56 | Lothaer | yes, always |
| 05:49.12 | Thunder_Child | nuh uh |
| 05:49.21 | Lothaer | ya huh |
| 05:49.54 | Thunder_Child | is not going to happen |
| 05:50.41 | Lothaer | never say never young padawan |
| 05:51.51 | Thunder_Child | Never gonna give you up, Never gonna let you down, Never gonna run around and desert you |
| 05:57.04 | Lothaer | Never say never, Never say never again. |
| 05:57.34 | mikma | cairenn: www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNimqvThnPI |
| 05:57.48 | Cairenn | yeah, saw it when you linked it earlier |
| 05:57.54 | Cairenn | was laughing my ass off at it |
| 05:58.18 | mikma | wat no, i haven't linked that before :I |
| 05:59.09 | Cairenn | well, someone linked it in here over night |
| 06:01.12 | mikma | i guess someone likes kitties then! |
| 06:01.53 | Lunessa | meow wants chicken, meow wants liver. Meow Mix please deliver. |
| 06:02.37 | Nechckn | Gah.. what is the profile copying/management AddOn? |
| 06:02.56 | Lunessa | Reflux? |
| 06:03.06 | mikma | cairenn: www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaIS7E_B9wQ |
| 06:03.20 | Nechckn | sounds right, thank you, Lunessa |
| 06:03.23 | Cairenn | heh, yup, saw that one too |
| 06:04.21 | Thunder_Child | mikma: make it easy on yourself and do "Cairenn: www.youtube.com" |
| 06:04.28 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:04.49 | mikma | thunder_child: but my links are filled with awesome, just ask cairenn! |
| 06:05.00 | Cairenn | they are indeed :) |
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| 06:05.06 | Thunder_Child | used awesome it would seem |
| 06:05.37 | Lothaer | brb guys and gals |
| 06:09.38 | p3lim | How do I set an attribute for a button (spell) to cast on shift+mouse1? |
| 06:09.39 | batbot | p3lim, button is correct. |
| 06:09.52 | p3lim | batbot: shoo! |
| 06:11.01 | p3lim | can I still use spell, or do I have to use macro? |
| 06:12.38 | mikma | !api SetAttribute |
| 06:12.40 | lua_bot | Frame:SetAttribute: Sets a secure frame attribute (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetAttribute) |
| 06:12.42 | mikma | there you go! ;) |
| 06:16.38 | p3lim | already checked that, no information about shift-clicking |
| 06:17.30 | mikma | then do some research |
| 06:17.56 | p3lim | i have, thats why im asking here |
| 06:18.12 | mikma | no you haven't |
| 06:18.59 | p3lim | yes I have, for example, clique's code isnt readable as everything is set through DB |
| 06:20.44 | mikma | http://www.wowwiki.com/SecureActionButtonTemplate |
| 06:21.11 | mikma | don't hurt yourself while searching |
| 06:21.58 | p3lim | it cant be that simple >_< |
| 06:26.13 | mikma | wobin: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeXcCHo5iMI |
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| 06:34.37 | Wobin | mikma, .... he's breathing in through his mouth... |
| 06:34.59 | Wobin | although later he does the proper breathing =P |
| 06:39.26 | mikma | wobin: dudes discovered that you can run on the water - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe3St1GgoHQ |
| 06:40.14 | Wobin | mikma, I've heard of this |
| 06:44.37 | mikma | hah! it's funny what you can do with soundeffects :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-aAPUkahPk (don't skip, watch it to the end) |
| 06:45.22 | Wobin | http://www.socialtimes.com/2010/2010/05/liquid-mountaineers-walk-on-water-in-new-hi-tec-viral-video-campaign/#disqus_thread |
| 06:46.06 | Wobin | it was a bit... too well produced, imo |
| 06:46.14 | Wobin | for a amateur doco |
| 06:47.47 | mikma | i somehow did notice them talking about the shoes thought, didn't think about it that much |
| 06:48.10 | Wobin | an effective campaign =) |
| 06:48.42 | Lothaer | back |
| 06:51.46 | mikma | wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl54J_PToII <- gotta love those looks on their faces :DDD |
| 06:51.52 | mikma | "HYRRRRRGH!" |
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| 06:59.01 | Amarande | ... that was tedious, I thought Keldonus had less HP than that |
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| 06:59.08 | Lothaer | has the PTR finished? |
| 07:00.00 | Amarande | PTR? |
| 07:00.04 | Amarande | what patch is coming out before cata? |
| 07:00.35 | Amarande | oh right 3.3.5 |
| 07:00.39 | Amarande | any notably addon-breaking things in 3.3.5? |
| 07:00.56 | Lothaer | lots of chatlog changes |
| 07:01.22 | Sixen | It uses the Bnet Real ID now, so the Chat system was changed. |
| 07:01.33 | Lothaer | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702234442&sid=1 |
| 07:01.41 | Amarande | ah, they put the facebook integration in already? |
| 07:01.56 | Lothaer | so now you can chat to your friends while your on WoW and they are on Starcraft |
| 07:03.08 | Sixen | Don't believe so, Amarande. |
| 07:03.17 | Sixen | Just Bnet Real |
| 07:03.47 | Lothaer | yeah the FB stuff is available now |
| 07:03.56 | Lothaer | ive got it on muy FB |
| 07:03.58 | Thunder_Child | well there is something about popping out chat frames, that may have changed something |
| 07:04.12 | Lothaer | i know WIM needs some work |
| 07:04.23 | Lothaer | http://apps.facebook.com/wow-armory/ |
| 07:05.32 | Wobin | mikma, hehe the indian chick did the best out of th elot |
| 07:06.40 | mikma | wobin: yeah, neat that she beat up all those toughass dudes |
| 07:11.35 | Amarande | so ... Prat will probably break, I'm guessing ... |
| 07:11.44 | Amarande | will Guild/Friends broker addons break horribly as well? |
| 07:17.19 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-rgJhuf98I |
| 07:17.48 | cog|away | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/05/bat_sex_is_not_protected_by_ac.php |
| 07:19.55 | Amarande | "players can communicate cross-faction" |
| 07:19.57 | Amarande | o.0 |
| 07:20.41 | cog|away | ya rly |
| 07:21.51 | mikma | ok, this is last one for today :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cheJUCA8q38 |
| 07:22.00 | mikma | wobin: ------^ :D |
| 07:28.34 | Wobin | hehehe Sir Mixalot |
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| 07:38.48 | Guest12345 | hi |
| 07:39.22 | Guest12345 | fast question: is there a way to track if a buff cast by the player has been dispelled/cleansed/removed in any other way? |
| 07:40.00 | p3lim | best place to farm tin? |
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| 07:40.35 | p3lim | @ thelgren rock right now, it sucks, 1 vein max pr 10 min |
| 07:43.52 | Amarande | well gee thanks game, that was a waste of my time and a hearthstone CD |
| 07:44.02 | Amarande | I just went to Ebon Hold to find out what Death Knights learn at 77. |
| 07:44.07 | Amarande | (since I just dinged that level) |
| 07:44.22 | Amarande | apparently, the DK skills learned at 77 are fairly boring and dull ones. |
| 07:44.25 | Amarande | like ... |
| 07:44.27 | Amarande | *nothing*. |
| 07:45.33 | Guest12345 | :( |
| 07:46.01 | Amarande | I considered picking up the DK mount, but I can probably save 150g |
| 07:46.15 | Amarande | because I can probably hold off on having a flying mount at all before I'm exalted with Ebonblade |
| 07:46.22 | p3lim | Amarande: wowhead.com |
| 07:46.26 | Amarande | ... actually, wait, do you need a flying mount to access where you can buy the tabard? |
| 07:47.03 | Amarande | I know I can start farming 80 rep long before I'll need a flying mount |
| 07:47.03 | p3lim | Yes ama, you need a flying mount to get there, though not an epic one |
| 07:47.03 | Amarande | since at 77 and less than halfway through Dragonblight, at this rate I'm bound to hit 80 well before Stormpeaks |
| 07:47.09 | Amarande | hell, I might hit 80 before Zul'drak at this rate |
| 07:47.11 | p3lim | though you can get a summon |
| 07:47.45 | Amarande | (And Jame says you should be 73 at this point still. Hah!) |
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| 07:49.38 | Amarande | that means I've pretty much gained 3-4 levels or so out of doing daily instances and all the accumulated extra mob kills during herb grabs |
| 07:49.52 | Amarande | well, daily instances plus a few extra instance runs to do the quests |
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| 07:51.48 | Amarande | ... fuck and there I go almost bungling into Stars' Rest again |
| 07:51.52 | Amarande | do I have a death wish or something LOL |
| 07:52.14 | Amarande | ... nah, mostly I just keep forgetting there's an alliance outpost at that spot :P |
| 07:52.30 | Amarande | I really should level an alliance character to 80 just so I can learn the ropes of that side |
| 07:53.37 | Matsy | You could also ask me |
| 07:53.46 | Matsy | :D |
| 07:55.02 | Amarande | bah. so I need to fly to get the ebon blade tabard ... |
| 07:55.15 | Amarande | means I could save at most 100g that way then, since I'd need 50g for the bog standard flyer first :S |
| 07:55.25 | Arrowmaster | no you dont |
| 07:55.54 | Amarande | I almost bought the DK flying mount when I was just at Ebonhold, but thought since I'll likely hit 80 before I hit the fly-only zones |
| 07:56.07 | Amarande | and thus be able to farm up the rep via tabard *then* buy it as my main flyer without needing to go through the bog standard one |
| 07:56.15 | Amarande | that I would do that, and save 150g by being exalted instead of friendly |
| 07:56.22 | Arrowmaster | goto the goblin town and get the free one |
| 07:56.53 | PProvost | free? |
| 07:56.54 | Matsy | Yeah, K5 has free mounts |
| 07:57.07 | Matsy | You can just use them |
| 07:57.08 | Arrowmaster | they are zone bound |
| 07:57.15 | Arrowmaster | but yeah free |
| 07:57.28 | Amarande | I'm not sure why people aren't happy with instancing their way up as DPS, either |
| 07:57.42 | Matsy | Because of the 5 minute queues. |
| 07:57.43 | Amarande | I've been getting a lot of my 70-80 xp from instances that way |
| 07:57.53 | Amarande | well, yeah, if you want to just fap in dalaran while you wait :P |
| 07:58.10 | Matsy | Meh, leveling as a tank is easier now |
| 07:58.16 | Amarande | even if you don't want to quest the whole way (but why not, all that money in northrend!), you might as well quest while in queue |
| 07:58.31 | Matsy | If you're a tank, you never have any sort of queue |
| 07:59.07 | Amarande | eh. if you're a tank, you have a lot of pressure on you |
| 07:59.16 | Matsy | what |
| 07:59.17 | Matsy | no |
| 07:59.31 | Amarande | it's one thing to tank stuff in an emergency, like that time in DTK earlier tonight when the tank got gibbed and I had to step in to prevent a wipe |
| 07:59.43 | Amarande | (which I'm surprised I managed, since I wasn't exactly specced or geared for tanking, and it was a double pull to boot) |
| 07:59.47 | ZorbaBeta | you only have pressure on you until you learn to deal with it |
| 07:59.55 | ZorbaBeta | after a while you sort of stop caring |
| 07:59.58 | Amarande | then again, I was 76 in a 74-76 instance and pretty well geared for the level |
| 08:00.02 | Matsy | yeah |
| 08:00.06 | Matsy | I've been a tank for 2 days now |
| 08:00.15 | Matsy | Just tanking heroics and ToC |
| 08:00.21 | Matsy | And meh, it's not that bad |
| 08:00.30 | ZorbaBeta | "rar i am going to yell at you for wiping even though it was caused by the healer disconnecting" "Yeah, well, I can drop group and get another one in 15 seconds. We doin' this, or you gonna be a dick?" |
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| 08:00.52 | Amarande | but on DK at least I prefer the easygoing life of a DPS |
| 08:01.02 | Amarande | when I make my paladin I'll probably tank full time |
| 08:01.04 | Matsy | With a DK, almost everything is easygoing |
| 08:01.05 | ZorbaBeta | it's all power games. the dps doesn't have the power, so they try to pull a superiority complex. gotta recognize that. |
| 08:01.26 | Amarande | and so I proceed to almost wander into the alliance outpost again. |
| 08:01.26 | Amarande | wtf. |
| 08:01.29 | Matsy | ... |
| 08:01.30 | Matsy | yeah |
| 08:01.32 | Matsy | that's just silly |
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| 08:02.52 | Amarande | oh F U GNOME |
| 08:02.57 | Amarande | am I ever glad quest mobs respawn super fast in NR |
| 08:03.02 | Arrowmaster | i tired that once back in classic, i was pissed off at the damn rogues because they kept garroting and rupturing the bosses in MC just to piss me off, going so far as to all vanish and garrote at the same time during the boss fight |
| 08:04.15 | Arrowmaster | so i was like 'im fucking done give me a portal' while i was one of only two warlocks during the post geddon trash |
| 08:04.49 | Amarande | wtf does "melka" mean and how did I just lose a duel at 77 with a 73 mage |
| 08:05.09 | Arrowmaster | the upside is that it made the guild finally realize they didnt 'have' to banish everything, they were finally geared enough to just deal with it |
| 08:06.21 | Amarande | FUCK |
| 08:06.31 | Amarande | he keeps tagging and killing the mob I need for the quest and bugging me with duel offers |
| 08:06.37 | Amarande | has he stepped across the line for griefing yet so I can get a GM? |
| 08:06.53 | Amarande | what is the GM rule for griefing, anyway? |
| 08:07.25 | ZorbaBeta | first step, don't reject the duel |
| 08:07.28 | ZorbaBeta | then he'll just give you another one |
| 08:07.35 | ZorbaBeta | leave the window on your screen and he'll have to wait for it to timeout |
| 08:07.57 | ZorbaBeta | second, make a macro to target and attack the mob immediately, then just hit it a lot. |
| 08:08.22 | Arrowmaster | and then you can accept the duel while he is fighting mobs, if you win the duel while he still have a mob on him then its game over |
| 08:08.46 | Amarande | now he's bugging me for duels and /crying |
| 08:08.55 | Amarande | actually, I managed to tag it this time |
| 08:09.02 | Amarande | am I ever glad that icy touch is instant while frostbolt has a cast time :D |
| 08:09.15 | Amarande | I'm still not sure how I lost a duel to a mage four levels below, though |
| 08:09.19 | Arrowmaster | hes got ice lance |
| 08:09.22 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, no matter what class you're playing, figure out what your fastest range attacks are |
| 08:09.34 | Amarande | unless DK v Mage is doomed from the start for a DK at any reasonably close level |
| 08:09.37 | ZorbaBeta | useful for pulling |
| 08:09.44 | ZorbaBeta | death grip would've worked as well |
| 08:09.46 | Amarande | due to the simple fact that mages are the kiting masters (they have to be to even be able to survive to level) |
| 08:10.00 | Amarande | you DG, he kites again and snares you with frost, and DG is on CD |
| 08:10.20 | Amarande | mages being the kiting masters, while DKs have very few ranged attacks and they are limited most cruelly by CDs |
| 08:10.27 | Arrowmaster | he can only kite with frostbolt, the rest have cooldowns |
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| 08:10.37 | Arrowmaster | so use your ranged inturupt |
| 08:10.37 | Amarande | (the only ones I can think of off the top of my head with Frost, are Icy Touch and Howling Blast ... and both need your frost runes) |
| 08:10.59 | Amarande | what does "uden ador lo" mean btw? |
| 08:11.39 | Guest12345 | bur |
| 08:22.59 | Amarande | On the good side, at least getting my ass kicked in a duel meant ten more achievement points. :) |
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| 08:25.56 | Amarande | You know, it just occurred to me that it might be harder to level mages in Cata :| |
| 08:26.05 | Amarande | at least 1-80 |
| 08:26.53 | ZorbaBeta | why? |
| 08:27.01 | Amarande | Zorba: with the fact that everyone has so much more health in Cata |
| 08:27.04 | Amarande | at least 80-85 |
| 08:27.07 | ZorbaBeta | aaaaaaagh |
| 08:27.10 | ZorbaBeta | I need a canned macro for this |
| 08:27.15 | ZorbaBeta | "EVERYTHING IS BEING REBALANCED' |
| 08:27.17 | Amarande | there will probably need to be some serious nerfing done to mages' ability to survive against melee |
| 08:27.17 | ZorbaBeta | "EVERYTHING" |
| 08:27.25 | Wobin | ZorbaBeta, unbalanced quotation marks =( |
| 08:27.29 | Amarande | otherwise, mages will always curbstomp melee due to their kiting ability *and* bigger health pool |
| 08:27.35 | ZorbaBeta | "YOU CANNOT MAKE LOGICAL CLAIMS ABOUT CATACLYSM BALANCE WITHOUT SEEING ACTUAL CATACLYSM NUMBERS" |
| 08:27.37 | ZorbaBeta | "STOP IT" |
| 08:27.47 | ZorbaBeta | wobin, mis-did shift :( |
| 08:27.54 | Wobin | "WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FAAAACE?" |
| 08:28.08 | Amarande | Zorba: yeah, that's why I'm wondering about the balance on 1-80 in particular |
| 08:28.10 | ZorbaBeta | personally I'm expecting that players will end up with more HP than monsters overall. |
| 08:28.12 | Amarande | we know it'll be balanced for 80-85 |
| 08:28.16 | Wobin | this is why you need to macro it =) |
| 08:28.19 | ZorbaBeta | that's certainly one of many ways to rejigger things |
| 08:28.19 | Amarande | but 1-80 is another matter |
| 08:28.20 | zenzelezz | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/ssotd/#1324 - they're combining BRD and Molten Core! ;-) |
| 08:28.29 | ZorbaBeta | it will be balanced for 1-80. |
| 08:28.35 | ZorbaBeta | everything is being rebalanced. |
| 08:28.39 | ZorbaBeta | everything. is being. rebalanced. |
| 08:28.43 | Wobin | Black Rock Core? |
| 08:28.52 | ZorbaBeta | molten rock depths? |
| 08:28.58 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm thinking more if I ended up dueling that mage and it was Cata time instead of LK. |
| 08:29.01 | zenzelezz | Blackrock Caverns |
| 08:29.09 | Amarande | whether I would have even had a ghost of a chance then, with the higher health on the mage |
| 08:29.16 | Wobin | Wailing Core Depths |
| 08:29.16 | Amarande | zenzelezz: BRD and MC as they are are going away? Confirmed? |
| 08:29.26 | Guest12345 | black rock core sounds ace |
| 08:29.41 | Guest12345 | very metal |
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| 08:30.20 | Amarande | zenzelezz: any mention as to where +29 spellpower to weapon and fiery weapon are going? |
| 08:30.31 | ZorbaBeta | they may simply not exist afterwards |
| 08:30.50 | ZorbaBeta | although I imagine they'll put fiery weapon somewhere |
| 08:30.52 | zenzelezz | Amarande: clearly I was just making a comment based on the screenshot |
| 08:32.06 | Amarande | ah |
| 08:32.14 | Amarande | although yeah, I guess if an instance is likely to go away, it's MC or BRD |
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| 08:33.08 | Amarande | MC, probably. |
| 08:33.19 | Amarande | BRD I suspect will be with WoW till the day it dies, no matter what they do to the world |
| 08:33.47 | Amarande | mainly because taking away BRD would basically mean having to retool the whole Brewfest holiday |
| 08:33.47 | Amarande | and they've already said at one point IIRC that they aren't making significant changes to any of the holidays in the future now that the achievements are in |
| 08:34.09 | Amarande | now MC ... ah, for a moment I thought it would be odd to keep that, since Ragnaros would be in 2 places then |
| 08:34.24 | Amarande | however, since that's not without precedent (Kael'thas, Anub'arak, in particular) it's not a problem :) |
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| 08:38.13 | Ycarene | Stacked stamina |
| 08:41.30 | zenzelezz | http://punditkitchen.com/2010/05/14/political-pictures-obama-family-new-respect/ |
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| 08:44.43 | Shirik | sigh |
| 08:45.40 | Shirik | Kraps: Received on unblock requests mailing list: http://wowi.pastey.net/136523-2qxc |
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| 08:53.07 | zenzelezz | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/05/14/very-demotivational-men-2/ |
| 08:55.10 | Wobin | http://thereifixedit.com/2010/04/23/epic-kludge-photo-automatic-lawn-mower |
| 09:01.12 | Wobin | http://thereifixedit.com/2010/05/02/epic-kludge-photo-mall039stake-patron-health-into-their-own-hands/ |
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| 09:16.06 | zenzelezz | "Users can delete,move and rename files owned by root eg. via an FTP Server" - or as he should have called it, "people with write permission on a directory can delete files without write permission inside the directory" |
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| 09:28.14 | zenzelezz | something I've noticed when trying a few different MMOs is how their graphics differs from WoW. While before I got into WoW I considered the graphics all cartoony and help that against it, I find that the supposed realism of some MMOs' graphics make them look too sharp and edgy |
| 09:28.34 | Sixen | :P |
| 09:37.07 | tekkub | wow just needs more grit and bloom |
| 09:37.12 | tekkub | that's why it's "cartoony" |
| 09:37.30 | tekkub | any color other than grey or brown == cartoon colors |
| 09:38.34 | Arrowmaster | im not sure but it does seem like wow might use a lot more polygons than other mmo's, ive noticed how most others are too sharp and edgy too |
| 09:39.09 | Arrowmaster | also wow's animations are top quality |
| 09:39.24 | Arrowmaster | which cant be said for most other mmo's |
| 09:41.39 | zenzelezz | yeah, the animations are better than any other I've seen so far (that's not to say they're the best, I've certainly not seen all games) |
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| 09:46.48 | Trela | As I understand WoW sticks to traditional animation of posing each piece of it. Most newer places love doing motion capture. |
| 09:48.09 | zenzelezz | I think it's more than that |
| 09:48.15 | zenzelezz | WoW seems to do animation blending very well |
| 09:50.10 | Trela | That too. |
| 09:50.44 | ZorbaBeta | they do animation blending at all? |
| 09:50.53 | ZorbaBeta | I am not convinced of that :P |
| 09:51.16 | zenzelezz | maybe I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression they do |
| 09:51.25 | zenzelezz | if they don't, then they sure have awesome animations |
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| 09:51.49 | Trela | I thought you meant within the same animation. As in, they specify this many frames, but the engine blends the inbetween frames into that. |
| 09:52.01 | ZorbaBeta | I've seen a *lot* of cases where it just snaps from one animation to another. spastic stagger animations for monsters, for example |
| 09:52.16 | ZorbaBeta | they seem to be able to combine above-waist and below-waist animations, but I don't think they have anything more sophisticated than that |
| 09:52.18 | Trela | Yeah, that is certain. |
| 09:52.25 | zenzelezz | Trela: any animation system blends from keyframe to keyframe |
| 09:52.38 | ZorbaBeta | zenzelezz, any *modern* animation system :D |
| 09:52.54 | zenzelezz | modern as in 10 years old and more |
| 09:52.59 | Trela | ZorbaBeta: I love as a night elf starting a dance then start running. Arms keep dancing, but legs are running! |
| 09:53.01 | zenzelezz | of the good games anyhow |
| 10:02.02 | zenzelezz | hm, would be cool if they added an option for bump mapping on surfaces like buildings, so the stone/wood would look less flat |
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| 10:04.27 | Amarande | you know, there was a once upon a time when I used to think you couldn't go underwater while having path of frost active |
| 10:04.34 | Amarande | before I learned that it was like being a ghost |
| 10:04.44 | Amarande | (something you might accidentally become, too, if you forget you have PoF active. :|) |
| 10:08.00 | Amarande | ... would you believe I did the dive for the Oacha'noa quest with it active. |
| 10:08.00 | Amarande | :| |
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| 10:29.27 | industrial | I love how there's still random retards joining the vim irc channel, saying emacs then leaving |
| 10:29.43 | industrial | freenode urban graffiti :p |
| 10:30.16 | industrial | im in ur channelz spayin ma sloginz |
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| 10:37.15 | zenzelezz | "Forget thrust, drag, lift and weight. Airplanes fly because of money." |
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| 10:55.55 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthpicturegalleries/7725179/Animal-pictures-of-the-week-14-May-2010.html?image=11 |
| 10:56.02 | Cairenn | awwwww! |
| 10:56.16 | Wobin | PAWS |
| 10:56.27 | Cairenn | yep :) |
| 10:57.04 | Cairenn | Just like a puppy - you know the size it'll be when grown by how big those paws are! |
| 10:58.21 | zenzelezz | saw Siberian tigers at our christmas party at work (went to the zoo)... man those things are huge |
| 10:58.28 | zenzelezz | I swear the paws were the size of a man's head |
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| 11:01.06 | mascondante | I'm digging through google trying to find an answer. Has anyone ever had pally power stay red and act like it's conflicting with something and figure out what that might be? So far all I've found is it's likely a conflict with another addon. |
| 11:07.13 | Matsy | Eh |
| 11:07.17 | Matsy | Are you using ZOMGBuffs? |
| 11:07.46 | mascondante | nope |
| 11:08.50 | mascondante | so far what I've seen is it's staying red and I set up greater blessings |
| 11:09.02 | mascondante | and it's not showing the individual people |
| 11:09.07 | Matsy | For one, I'd switch to ZOMGBuffs regardless of the problems |
| 11:09.10 | mascondante | just a blank green bar in the middle |
| 11:09.13 | Matsy | :+ |
| 11:09.23 | Matsy | But, that won't fix your problems |
| 11:09.28 | Matsy | Ah, I know what you mean |
| 11:09.34 | Matsy | It's like using pallypower on a char that isn't a paladin? |
| 11:10.00 | mascondante | I installed pally power and first logged into my warrior |
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| 11:10.45 | mascondante | I suppose I could clear my saved vars for pally power and reinstall |
| 11:10.48 | Matsy | Yeah.. won't work on your warrior. |
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| 11:12.41 | mascondante | oh I know that. If I expected to be able to give out blessings on my warrior I'd need to be committed haha |
| 11:13.24 | Matsy | Hahaha |
| 11:13.25 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 11:13.33 | Matsy | Have you ever tried ZOMGBuffs though? |
| 11:13.42 | Matsy | It is pretty much similar to pallypower regarding paladin blessings |
| 11:14.31 | mascondante | no but others use pally power and have auto assign set up. So I'd rather fix PallyPower if possible |
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| 11:15.10 | Matsy | It'd still work? |
| 11:15.16 | Matsy | ZOMGBuffs accepts the pallypower broadcast :D |
| 11:16.05 | mascondante | worth looking at. I'm going to try to fix it first, if I can't, then I'll go with your idea :-) |
| 11:16.09 | Matsy | Okay |
| 11:16.14 | Matsy | Yeah, I have no idea how to fix your problem :( |
| 11:16.17 | Matsy | Maybe reinstalling works |
| 11:16.24 | Mikk | Reinstalling won't do anything |
| 11:16.28 | Mikk | Clearing savevars - maybe |
| 11:16.36 | Mikk | One thing about PP lately |
| 11:16.39 | Matsy | Yeah, that's what I meant |
| 11:16.43 | Mikk | It doesn't refresh the buffbar as often as you like |
| 11:16.50 | Mikk | You need to hit the "refresh" button sometimes |
| 11:17.00 | Matsy | It has been like that for ages? |
| 11:17.11 | Mikk | Well define ages ;) |
| 11:17.15 | Matsy | Months ;p |
| 11:17.20 | Mikk | Ya sounds about right ;) |
| 11:17.26 | Matsy | YEah |
| 11:17.34 | Matsy | That's why I originally decided to switch to ZOMGBuffs |
| 11:19.10 | mascondante | Mikk: yep I'm deleting the saved vars. Matsy: You've got me interested now. I'll look at it on curse |
| 11:19.54 | zenzelezz | watches Cairenn's eyes narrow |
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| 11:27.05 | mascondante | Mikk: yep something went screwy in the saved vars. working now =) |
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| 12:05.31 | Fisker | zenzelezz |
| 12:06.59 | Fisker | imma getting mah 256 drivers soon |
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| 12:07.41 | zenzelezz | 256 drivers? |
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| 12:18.51 | Fisker | yeah zenzelezz |
| 12:19.19 | Fisker | http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/2010/05/3d-vision-surround-driver-launch-timeline.html |
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| 12:20.29 | industrial | Now we have the avr addon isn't it possible to draw paths in faux-3d on the 3d world now? |
| 12:20.34 | industrial | -now |
| 12:20.58 | industrial | would be awesome for eg tomtom |
| 12:21.24 | industrial | jnwhiteh: ^ |
| 12:21.34 | Fisker | imma faux u industrial |
| 12:21.47 | jnwhiteh | *shrug |
| 12:21.56 | jnwhiteh | I don't know that that technique is going to remain possible. |
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| 12:24.21 | Matsy | jnwhiteh: Why not? |
| 12:24.56 | jnwhiteh | they dumb down encounters incrediblyl |
| 12:25.05 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 12:25.06 | jnwhiteh | it, not they. |
| 12:25.11 | jnwhiteh | Blizzard does not like this |
| 12:25.18 | foxlit | Lost the fishing contest by 20 seconds :( |
| 12:25.20 | jnwhiteh | they enter a race condition with designers/raiders |
| 12:25.25 | Matsy | Doesn't it match up with the whole 'blizzard wants the game to be more accessible (sp?)'? |
| 12:25.26 | batbot | Matsy, accessible is correct. |
| 12:25.28 | jnwhiteh | same issue they had with threat meters before |
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| 12:25.33 | Matsy | wow. |
| 12:25.34 | jnwhiteh | Matsy: accessible is not 'easy mode'. |
| 12:25.41 | Matsy | There's a bot to see if a word is spelled correctly? |
| 12:25.43 | jnwhiteh | people still need to learn and understand. |
| 12:25.45 | foxlit | So they'll fix it by adding built-in AVR? :) |
| 12:25.50 | Matsy | That's true, jnwhiteh |
| 12:25.53 | Matsy | I don't agree with it as well |
| 12:25.55 | nevcairiel | its one of the addons that really makes encounters real easy, just move out of the colored blob on the ground, dont pay attention to anything else |
| 12:25.56 | Matsy | but banning such an addon? |
| 12:26.01 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: I'd assume some comprimise, yes. |
| 12:26.14 | jnwhiteh | just like they added boss warnings even in 5 mans |
| 12:26.25 | jnwhiteh | I just dont see it standing |
| 12:26.30 | jnwhiteh | considering they have the power to break it |
| 12:26.30 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 12:26.45 | Matsy | How'd they break it though? |
| 12:26.51 | nevcairiel | They could just break coordinates in instances again |
| 12:26.54 | Matsy | I mean, they aren't doing any hacks |
| 12:26.55 | foxlit | Plenty of ways |
| 12:27.02 | foxlit | Break your access to camera position API |
| 12:27.05 | jnwhiteh | they rely on camera angles. |
| 12:27.07 | foxlit | Break your access to coordinates |
| 12:27.17 | jnwhiteh | camera angles are not very useful |
| 12:27.20 | jnwhiteh | other than for this, |
| 12:27.23 | jnwhiteh | limited breakage, win. |
| 12:27.26 | Matsy | hahaha |
| 12:27.29 | Matsy | oh noes |
| 12:27.29 | jnwhiteh | but that's just my guess *shrug* |
| 12:27.32 | Matsy | I should really try it out |
| 12:27.36 | Matsy | before it gets the nerfbat |
| 12:27.46 | Matsy | I'm content with BigWigs, and I don't mess up |
| 12:27.48 | nevcairiel | apparently the camera angle cvars update in realtime |
| 12:27.49 | Matsy | but it looks interesting enough |
| 12:27.59 | nevcairiel | they could just make them update on logout instead of realtime, and all would be broken |
| 12:28.05 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 12:28.11 | jnwhiteh | stupidly simple to break |
| 12:28.14 | jnwhiteh | if they want to |
| 12:28.17 | jnwhiteh | and I could be completely wrong |
| 12:28.23 | jnwhiteh | but when an addon becomes 'required' |
| 12:28.29 | jnwhiteh | the designers change the way they design encounters |
| 12:28.33 | jnwhiteh | but they know better this time |
| 12:28.33 | Matsy | yeah |
| 12:28.40 | jnwhiteh | they'll avoid that race, it got REALLY bad before |
| 12:29.05 | nevcairiel | like in naxxramas every boss and their mother would curse the whole raid so you had to work that decursive key |
| 12:29.12 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 12:29.16 | jnwhiteh | I mean Lucifron was bad enough |
| 12:29.23 | jnwhiteh | but you _COULD_ do that easily without needing decursive |
| 12:29.28 | jnwhiteh | people were just whiny bitches. |
| 12:30.03 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 12:30.08 | Fisker | giev teh inside scoop on 2.2 |
| 12:30.22 | jnwhiteh | boys have a penis, girls have a vagina |
| 12:30.23 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh i disagree |
| 12:30.31 | Fisker | They just show it better than range addons |
| 12:30.46 | jnwhiteh | and what is 'they' in this context? |
| 12:31.14 | Fisker | AVRE, Raidwatch, etc. |
| 12:31.27 | nevcairiel | sure, having a circle around you to indicate range is alot easier to see then watching a range addon :d |
| 12:31.41 | jnwhiteh | yeah, god forbid |
| 12:31.45 | jnwhiteh | you have to pay attention to something |
| 12:31.45 | Fisker | depends on how they do it nevcairiel |
| 12:31.47 | jnwhiteh | and react accordingly |
| 12:31.51 | Fisker | Problem is that no range addons are smart |
| 12:31.54 | Matsy | What do you use for encounters? |
| 12:31.58 | Fisker | if they were, they wouldn't be that much behind AVRE, etc. |
| 12:32.01 | jnwhiteh | i learn the encounter |
| 12:32.03 | jnwhiteh | and stop sucking. |
| 12:32.03 | foxlit | Matsy: Nothing. |
| 12:32.13 | jnwhiteh | the game gives you ALL the information you need |
| 12:32.16 | foxlit | Although it does get a bit annoying with LK p2 abilities timers |
| 12:32.37 | nevcairiel | i use bigwigs, because its minimalistic and only gives me stuff i really want, and doesnt hold my hand like all the other boss mods |
| 12:33.20 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: I'd argue that that's one instance where the game really doesn't give you enough information. |
| 12:33.30 | jnwhiteh | ICC, yeah. |
| 12:33.36 | foxlit | Is it Val'kyrs or Defile next? You won't find out until you commit to a strategy. |
| 12:33.51 | Matsy | Yeah, that's true |
| 12:33.53 | Matsy | without BigWigs |
| 12:34.01 | Matsy | I really don't know when to spread out for defile |
| 12:34.13 | nevcairiel | isnt the timer all the same every try? |
| 12:34.14 | Matsy | or go back for Val'Kyrs :( |
| 12:34.18 | nevcairiel | i mean, you could learn that :d |
| 12:34.20 | foxlit | nevcairiel: there are... complications |
| 12:34.33 | foxlit | They're actually both cooldown-based abilities, so there are small discrepancies. |
| 12:34.57 | foxlit | And the offsets are such that every 3 abilities or so, you get defile/val'kyr within 1-2 seconds of each other. |
| 12:35.00 | nevcairiel | yeah, but a boss mod isnt too good at predicting cooldowns either |
| 12:35.18 | foxlit | Knowing which one would expire first would give you an advantage, but I don't think you could track those timers in your head. |
| 12:35.26 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 12:36.04 | krka | they'll break the addon if they have a problem with it |
| 12:36.12 | krka | they've broken bigger stuff than that before |
| 12:36.26 | Matsy | Like what? |
| 12:36.39 | zenzelezz | 1.x to 2.x API? |
| 12:36.47 | krka | decursive, defendyourself |
| 12:37.15 | nevcairiel | BC broke a lot of addons |
| 12:37.19 | jnwhiteh | large number of examples =) |
| 12:37.26 | krka | i would have said autotravel, but i am biased |
| 12:37.27 | nevcairiel | I dont think they'll break it in 3.x |
| 12:37.32 | nevcairiel | but 4.x might prevent it |
| 12:37.37 | Matsy | autotravel? |
| 12:37.43 | zenzelezz | too much work to break it in 3.x |
| 12:37.50 | zenzelezz | considering how little is left of it |
| 12:37.54 | foxlit | Arguable, really |
| 12:38.00 | krka | restricting movement on addon level was probably a bigger task then removing camera angles would be |
| 12:38.11 | foxlit | You could patch it at Lua level with like 4 lines of code. |
| 12:38.16 | nevcairiel | they had to spawn the whole secure thing |
| 12:38.30 | foxlit | function GetCVar(name) if name == "foo" then return; end return _GetCVar(name); end |
| 12:38.32 | krka | the secure thing was for decursive-type addons |
| 12:38.55 | zenzelezz | the secure thing was 2.0, wasn't it? |
| 12:39.19 | nevcairiel | autotravel was broken before 2.0, wasnt it? the whole requires-hardware-event thing? |
| 12:39.39 | krka | that just partially broke it |
| 12:39.53 | krka | the secure thing killed it :) |
| 12:41.32 | Mikk | autotravel was broken in like... 1.4? 1.5? |
| 12:41.33 | Mikk | early |
| 12:42.08 | Mikk | secure didn't break it anymore than it was, really |
| 12:42.10 | Fisker | One thing people also forget is that many times the raid encounters are made with addons in mind |
| 12:42.24 | Fisker | doesn't find it coincidental that BQ's room was bugged for a few months ;3 |
| 12:42.33 | Mikk | mhm ;) |
| 12:42.39 | foxlit | When was AVR released, anyway? |
| 12:43.01 | Fisker | january or february i think |
| 12:43.17 | foxlit | So after ICC shipped. |
| 12:43.17 | Fisker | but i don't think the raid encounter modules came until a bit later |
| 12:43.36 | Wobin | haha decursive |
| 12:43.45 | Fisker | as i said, AVR = Range addon with circles |
| 12:44.03 | industrial | Why do you hit for less on higher level mobs and players? It makes it so you can't compare people a certain number of levels away from eachother. What if You'd just do your normal damage to a higher level person? Wouldn't that be fair? Wouldn't his level advantage actually play out in damage, stats etc? |
| 12:44.05 | Wobin | I like Antiarc's hudmap thing |
| 12:44.10 | foxlit | So BQ room must've been bugged at release; it's not really by design. |
| 12:44.31 | Fisker | as i said, AVR = Range addon with circles |
| 12:44.42 | Wobin | wait Fisker |
| 12:44.45 | Wobin | what was that you said? |
| 12:44.51 | Fisker | AVR = Range addon with circles |
| 12:45.05 | foxlit | circles with rage, fisker? |
| 12:45.11 | Wobin | You're assigning Range addon with circles to AVR? |
| 12:45.32 | Fisker | i'm not a programming language Wobin |
| 12:45.44 | Wobin | You totally are |
| 12:45.48 | industrial | I see it only as a disadvantage to lower level people; easier to gank them ... because they cant hit back for their full potential :P |
| 12:45.48 | Fisker | :( |
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| 12:46.22 | Fisker | But just look at all the range dependant fights in ICC |
| 12:46.52 | Fisker | Deathwhisper, Saurfang, Festergut, Rotface, Putricide, Blood Council, Blood Queen, Sindragosa and Lich King |
| 12:47.04 | Fisker | 9 out of 12 encounters rely on range |
| 12:48.00 | foxlit | Deathwhisper? |
| 12:48.09 | Fisker | yes |
| 12:48.37 | foxlit | Clearly Marrowgar relies on range, too. |
| 12:48.43 | foxlit | You have to be in range to attack it. |
| 12:48.56 | Fisker | barely |
| 12:49.00 | nevcairiel | professor, you need to be out of range from the mallable goo! |
| 12:49.02 | Fisker | his hitbox is like 1 bazillion meters wide |
| 12:50.12 | Wobin | you're only out of the direct hitbox if you're a hunter |
| 12:51.38 | foxlit | From all that list, it seems to me like only Blood Council, Queen, and Sindragosa make it a point to punish you severely if you fail a range check. |
| 12:51.45 | industrial | if stuff in wow didnt respawn wouldnt every player be apocalypse, the life ender, destroyer of everything etc? cause you practically kill everything in the game while you level ... |
| 12:52.21 | nevcairiel | do PvE casters usually need spell penetration? I'm seeing alot partial resist on some fights with my moonkin, and just wondering if i somehow missed to get penetration =p |
| 12:52.37 | Fisker | foxlit dying is not a severe punishment? |
| 12:52.43 | Fisker | Also there's also a thing called heroic modes |
| 12:52.44 | foxlit | I think that's just the unmitigatable damage difference. |
| 12:52.51 | foxlit | Fisker: name some causes of death |
| 12:53.10 | Wobin | nevcairiel, generally not afaik |
| 12:53.21 | foxlit | s/damage/level/ |
| 12:53.33 | Fisker | Festergut = no spores = dead (especially on heroic) |
| 12:53.34 | foxlit | To simulate what melee have to go through with glancing blows, presumably |
| 12:53.43 | foxlit | Fisker: you don't need a range check for that. |
| 12:53.47 | Fisker | you do |
| 12:53.51 | foxlit | Stand under the spore, problem solved. |
| 12:54.00 | Fisker | that's not always possible |
| 12:54.07 | foxlit | Sure it is. |
| 12:54.09 | Fisker | ok |
| 12:54.15 | Fisker | tell your tank to go stand under melee |
| 12:54.34 | foxlit | Melee can come to the tank. |
| 12:54.35 | Fisker | also tell your group to go stand under a spore while continuously dodging mallable goo on heroic |
| 12:54.41 | foxlit | And we do that already. |
| 12:54.42 | foxlit | Next? |
| 12:54.49 | Fisker | ok foxlit |
| 12:55.02 | Fisker | there's a differnce in being possible and offering an advantage |
| 12:55.12 | Fisker | No encounter needs a range addon to be possible |
| 12:55.24 | Fisker | but the encounters mentioned offers significant advantages by having a range addon |
| 12:55.38 | foxlit | I very much disagree with your definition of "significant" |
| 12:57.29 | foxlit | The three on my list are a more direct in terms of punishing you for failure -- Sindragosa will outright kill you for failing to position ice blocks -- and harder to approximate without an exact check. |
| 12:57.41 | Fisker | so will festergut |
| 12:57.44 | Fisker | so will deathwhisper |
| 12:57.47 | Fisker | so will rotface |
| 12:57.52 | Fisker | so will putricide |
| 12:58.03 | foxlit | Dodging malleable goo while getting spores on festergut is trivial, even without any addons. |
| 12:58.26 | Fisker | you have tried? |
| 12:58.28 | foxlit | Deathwhisper doesn't really need a range check. If people blow up the ghosts, your raid fails too much. |
| 12:58.39 | foxlit | Fisker: Yes. The only thing we haven't done on hard mode is LK. |
| 12:58.53 | Fisker | without any addons? |
| 12:59.06 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 12:59.10 | Fisker | no. |
| 12:59.19 | foxlit | Well, encounter-specific mods. |
| 12:59.21 | Fisker | no. |
| 12:59.37 | zenzelezz | you should listen to Fisker, foxlit. After all, he is your raid buddy |
| 12:59.45 | zenzelezz | how else would he know this? |
| 12:59.56 | Fisker | And again whether or not you actually need it, keeping spread out is important on deathwhisper regardless of ghosts |
| 13:01.36 | foxlit | Not to the point of requiring you to know how many yards apart you are. |
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| 13:18.38 | zenzelezz | tickles Lopeppeppy |
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| 13:20.40 | Lopeppeppy | Morning dear. |
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| 13:30.46 | Kraps | everyones up so early |
| 13:31.30 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I woke up in a blind panic because it was Monday and my alarm hadn't gone off. |
| 13:32.25 | freebaser | does GetZoneText() return the same across all locales? |
| 13:34.05 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: any of your cats? http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/02/06/funny-pictures-is-practicin-for-you/ |
| 13:35.18 | Lopeppeppy | Not mine, thankfully. One of the boyfriend's cats will wake you by biting your nose delicately, if he feels that food time has not been properly attended to. |
| 13:35.27 | Lopeppeppy | Then he flies just like that. |
| 13:37.42 | Wobin | oh god nooo |
| 13:37.53 | Wobin | I accidentally scrolled past the Icanhas image =( |
| 13:38.03 | Wobin | I need an addon that hides the comment section =( |
| 13:38.16 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, do not scroll on the icanhas sites. |
| 13:38.18 | Lopeppeppy | Ever. |
| 13:38.20 | foxlit | freebaser: I would presume not. |
| 13:39.31 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, normally I'm smart enough not to |
| 13:39.35 | Wobin | this time... I failed =( |
| 13:40.38 | Lopeppeppy | It's okay, it's first thing in the morning, I forgive you. |
| 13:41.32 | Kraps | Wobin: y u dun leik it? |
| 13:44.24 | Wobin | awesome |
| 13:44.48 | Wobin | Kraps, you're spelling too correctly |
| 13:44.59 | Wobin | http://screencast.com/t/NmViYjMyMWE |
| 13:45.05 | Wobin | thank you greasemonkey for saving my sanity |
| 13:48.49 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onAchRQRs2s |
| 13:49.58 | zenzelezz | Wobin: I think you could accomplish the same with Stylish |
| 13:53.16 | Wobin | http://userstyles.org/styles/13847 |
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| 13:54.41 | zenzelezz | Wobin: win! |
| 13:55.21 | zenzelezz | I do love Stylish |
| 14:00.07 | A-KO | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/ss1004.jpg < good shot imo |
| 14:00.50 | zenzelezz | shot? |
| 14:00.55 | zenzelezz | great picture |
| 14:00.59 | A-KO | pic heh |
| 14:03.03 | Matsy | wow |
| 14:03.09 | Matsy | Wobin: That actually works |
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| 14:26.30 | A-KO | omg |
| 14:26.35 | A-KO | have you guys seen: "I am MT"? |
| 14:26.42 | A-KO | this is awesome |
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| 14:35.54 | Wobin | omg this is so cute |
| 14:37.20 | A-KO | Wobin: what is? |
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| 14:38.10 | Wobin | ahaha, wo de mian bao! |
| 14:38.29 | A-KO | lol, watching I am MT? |
| 14:38.50 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 14:39.02 | A-KO | I am impressed, it's quite funny |
| 14:39.08 | A-KO | and they did a really good job on gear, too |
| 14:42.01 | Wobin | the totems are adorable |
| 14:45.14 | A-KO | what ep you watching? |
| 14:45.18 | A-KO | I might have to start at the beginning |
| 14:45.28 | A-KO | I watched season 3's first ep, lol...it's funny though |
| 14:45.38 | Wobin | just the first ep |
| 14:50.39 | A-KO | I think it's funny |
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| 14:59.25 | Kraps | its in Chinese |
| 14:59.33 | Wobin | well spotted! |
| 15:00.06 | Wobin | holy crap, this ep is half an hour =( |
| 15:00.16 | A-KO | lol |
| 15:00.19 | A-KO | Kraps: so? |
| 15:00.22 | A-KO | it's subtitled |
| 15:00.26 | Wobin | I see what you mean about the armor =) |
| 15:00.44 | Kraps | A-KO: ...in chinese |
| 15:00.55 | A-KO | in English |
| 15:00.55 | Wobin | there are some with english subtitles |
| 15:01.34 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 15:01.35 | Fisker | i came |
| 15:01.39 | Wobin | inorite? |
| 15:01.43 | Fisker | :3 |
| 15:01.55 | Wobin | I like his pop culture references =) |
| 15:01.57 | Kraps | i went |
| 15:02.00 | Kraps | so? |
| 15:02.21 | Wobin | DOREMONMT! |
| 15:02.37 | Wobin | omg, MONKEY MTAGIC |
| 15:02.48 | Wobin | that's ridiculously cute |
| 15:04.25 | Wobin | wtb faster streaming =( |
| 15:04.29 | Wobin | I'll have to watch this tomorrow |
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| 15:24.06 | foxlit | Yay, a WSG with 3 rogues and three warriors on the opposing team |
| 15:37.56 | Gintaro | http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=148097 |
| 15:38.01 | Gintaro | 3 rogues in arenas |
| 15:38.28 | foxlit | in pve gear, too |
| 15:39.32 | nevcairiel | they just kill 2 people before taking damage :d |
| 15:40.41 | Gintaro | :D |
| 15:40.54 | Gintaro | The one with the druids was tricky though |
| 15:40.59 | Gintaro | silly doomkins |
| 15:42.37 | Gintaro | btw, wtb native linux wow |
| 15:47.29 | Gintaro | hmmm, VS2010 installation is weird |
| 15:47.29 | Gintaro | if I install it as a normal user it requires a reboot, if I install it as admin it doesn't |
| 15:47.39 | Gintaro | Or maybe it had to do with .net 4.0 already being installed on the other computer .. |
| 15:47.45 | Gintaro | Meh, who knows |
| 15:48.55 | Matsy | Gintaro: Yeah, that's the thing |
| 15:49.01 | Matsy | It has nothing to do with administrator privileges. |
| 15:49.14 | Gintaro | .net 4.0 ? |
| 15:49.18 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 15:49.20 | Gintaro | Ah |
| 15:49.39 | Gintaro | It's annoying though, the installation won't continue if you log back on as a normal user after reboot :P |
| 15:49.41 | Matsy | Funny though how your two lines follow eachother |
| 15:49.59 | Matsy | 'btw, wtb native linux wow' - 'hmm, VS2010 installation is weiod' |
| 15:50.16 | Gintaro | I'm a person of many topics |
| 15:50.16 | Matsy | *misspelled :( |
| 15:50.19 | Matsy | :D |
| 15:50.20 | Matsy | That's good |
| 15:50.26 | Matsy | And VS2010 is just a piece of magic |
| 15:50.31 | Matsy | What're you planning to do with it"? |
| 15:50.38 | Matsy | oh man, my typing sucks right now. |
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| 15:50.46 | Gintaro | I've been using sharpdevelop since forever since VS was/is a resource hog |
| 15:51.00 | Gintaro | But the hardware has been upgraded and it's time to give it another go |
| 15:51.12 | Matsy | The performance has been improved |
| 15:51.13 | Matsy | However |
| 15:51.20 | Matsy | WPF applications is still.. meh |
| 15:51.22 | Matsy | a bit sluggish |
| 15:51.25 | Matsy | *are still |
| 15:51.32 | Gintaro | Haven't gotten around to WPF yet |
| 15:51.42 | Matsy | oh |
| 15:51.47 | Matsy | it's a lot better then ;p |
| 15:51.51 | Gintaro | :D |
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| 16:08.24 | airtonix | dont you find it ironic ? |
| 16:08.31 | airtonix | you want a native linux wow client |
| 16:08.32 | airtonix | yet |
| 16:08.41 | airtonix | you choose to develop in .net 4 |
| 16:08.52 | airtonix | the cycle of violence continues |
| 16:10.26 | Gintaro | What I prefer and what my boss prefers are two different things |
| 16:10.37 | airtonix | it still ironic |
| 16:11.38 | airtonix | although if you really want the path of least resistance, buy a mac and run wow on that ... you'd still have a unix environ |
| 16:12.13 | Gintaro | I depise macs |
| 16:12.16 | airtonix | why |
| 16:12.26 | Gintaro | purely because they label themselves as not being a PC |
| 16:12.28 | Gintaro | when they are |
| 16:12.36 | airtonix | ._. |
| 16:12.46 | airtonix | so you dont have any valid reasons ? |
| 16:12.48 | Gintaro | Nope |
| 16:12.57 | Gintaro | Oh wait, expensive? |
| 16:13.01 | airtonix | not really |
| 16:13.06 | Gintaro | vendor lock-in? |
| 16:13.10 | airtonix | not really |
| 16:13.10 | ZorbaBeta | . . . as opposed to linux, which . . . isn't a PC? |
| 16:13.21 | airtonix | any other thoughts ? |
| 16:13.24 | Gintaro | Then I'm out |
| 16:13.28 | Gintaro | Oh wait, fanboy material? |
| 16:13.33 | airtonix | here is my one reason : |
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| 16:13.40 | airtonix | the window manager sucks |
| 16:13.48 | airtonix | compared to openbox or metacity |
| 16:13.56 | Gintaro | Meh, running KDE anyway |
| 16:14.01 | airtonix | yeah or that too |
| 16:14.26 | airtonix | would be ok if i could run either of those three window managers in macosx |
| 16:14.26 | Gintaro | Oeh oeh! Apple advocates freedom from porn! |
| 16:14.31 | Gintaro | I want my porn! |
| 16:15.07 | zenzelezz | anyone around that uses a non-English language in WoW? |
| 16:15.22 | Gintaro | I sometimes speak dutch, does that count? |
| 16:15.32 | zenzelezz | nope :-) |
| 16:15.46 | airtonix | Gintaro, at least in ms windows you can install two little tools to provide all the Xorg window manager like features to its window manager. |
| 16:15.56 | Gintaro | airtonix: which tool?! |
| 16:16.10 | Gintaro | Cause I've been looking for a decent virtual desktop implementation for years |
| 16:16.25 | airtonix | Gintaro, one that provides the easy window resizing, and the other lets you shade them. |
| 16:16.40 | Gintaro | Ah, so no virtual desktops then |
| 16:16.49 | airtonix | Gintaro, ms windows only provides real workspaces since vista or 7 i think. |
| 16:17.07 | airtonix | even then you still have to code a user interface for it yourself |
| 16:17.07 | nevcairiel | thats the feature you miss? shading windows? :p |
| 16:17.09 | nevcairiel | weird person! |
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| 16:17.17 | airtonix | i use it occasionally |
| 16:17.26 | Gintaro | Yeah but aero things are missing on other desktops |
| 16:17.30 | airtonix | i cant live without the window resizing mouse grabs though |
| 16:17.33 | Gintaro | Only the primary display has that |
| 16:17.45 | airtonix | this is true |
| 16:18.55 | airtonix | Gintaro, have a look at taekwindow on sourceforge |
| 16:19.13 | airtonix | Gintaro, it also provides "focus window on hover" |
| 16:19.27 | airtonix | or rather "focus widget on hover" |
| 16:20.20 | Gintaro | Oeh oeh! |
| 16:20.21 | nevcairiel | i hate that, i sometimes just move my mouse out of the way when i'm typing in some editbox, and if i happen to move it ouside the window .. boom focus gone |
| 16:20.23 | airtonix | and there is another tool that provides the "hilight to copy text and middle click to paste it at cursor" |
| 16:20.33 | airtonix | nevcairiel, lol |
| 16:21.06 | airtonix | more of a problem on small or messy desks |
| 16:21.09 | nevcairiel | its terribly annoying |
| 16:21.13 | airtonix | it is |
| 16:21.18 | airtonix | rage inciting |
| 16:21.38 | nevcairiel | how is that related how my desk looks? =P |
| 16:21.51 | nevcairiel | when the cursor is in the way, it has to be moved |
| 16:22.21 | airtonix | nevcairiel, well if you have a mouse with a cable often you'd have the mouse positioned with the cable under tension, let it go and the mouse moves because of potentional energy in the cable |
| 16:22.34 | nevcairiel | never had that problem |
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| 16:22.53 | Gintaro | Well, it shouldn't be changing focus but just passing some of the event's to the hovered widget as if it had focus |
| 16:23.08 | airtonix | my netbooks lan, vga, usb cables sit right next to where i'd have my mouse |
| 16:23.13 | Gintaro | s/'s/s/ |
| 16:23.33 | Gintaro | time for food |
| 16:23.58 | airtonix | Gintaro, yeah i notice that metacity doesnt change window focus, but instead sends mouse events to the widget under the cursor while retaining window focus to the one you clicked on |
| 16:24.33 | airtonix | but openbox (might be because of the way i set it up) does both to the window and widget under the mouse |
| 16:24.45 | airtonix | cant remember what taekwindow does |
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| 16:29.45 | Fisker | ~seen Antiarc1 |
| 16:29.58 | purl | antiarc1 is currently on #wowuidev (5h 54m 43s) #wowace (5h 54m 43s) #curseforge (5h 54m 43s), last said: 'brb, restarting client.'. |
| 16:29.58 | Matsy | Does anyone know |
| 16:30.05 | Matsy | How to put the arrows of a certain chat window |
| 16:30.07 | Matsy | On the other side? |
| 16:30.19 | Matsy | So, the arrows to click to scroll up / down |
| 16:31.41 | nevcairiel | sure, use an addon that does it =P |
| 16:32.29 | Maldivia | the default chat frames do this by doing a somewhat faulty check to see what side of the screen it's on |
| 16:33.36 | airtonix | how is it faulty? |
| 16:34.16 | Matsy | Well |
| 16:34.19 | Matsy | I want them to be at the left side |
| 16:34.22 | airtonix | if chatx > screenwidth /2 then side='right' |
| 16:34.22 | Matsy | but they don't want to go there |
| 16:34.31 | Matsy | Can prat do it? |
| 16:34.38 | airtonix | pretty sure it can |
| 16:34.47 | airtonix | but its been a year since i played wow |
| 16:35.01 | Maldivia | airtonix: because it doesn't take scaling into account |
| 16:35.07 | airtonix | i was using this ingame dev ide to play with things |
| 16:35.19 | Matsy | Does that still work? |
| 16:35.31 | airtonix | forget what the two tools i used were called |
| 16:35.39 | airtonix | one was for inspecting objects |
| 16:36.10 | airtonix | the other let me create books of stuff that could run on events ... was laid a bit like tomboy |
| 16:36.14 | airtonix | or zim |
| 16:36.24 | airtonix | had code colouring too |
| 16:39.05 | Kraps | more whelps left side |
| 16:40.33 | Lopeppeppy | many whelps. handle it. |
| 16:40.47 | airtonix | Matsy, looks like those two addons have disappeared from wowinterface and/or wowace |
| 16:41.06 | Matsy | :( |
| 16:41.08 | Matsy | Aaah. |
| 16:41.15 | Matsy | That's sad |
| 16:41.38 | Kraps | youtube has tags now |
| 16:41.45 | Kraps | like twitter |
| 16:41.54 | Matsy | oh |
| 16:41.56 | Matsy | another question :D |
| 16:42.05 | Matsy | There's a button to be able to copy all the text in the chat |
| 16:42.10 | Matsy | is there a way to remove that?> |
| 16:43.19 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe-DnbB_KF4 |
| 16:46.21 | Fisker | Antiarc1 |
| 16:46.29 | Fisker | imma macfag and i can't computer |
| 16:47.11 | airtonix | muwahah fisker cant speak computer |
| 16:49.17 | Fisker | anyone know if that hudmap stuff antiarc was working on is done/working/somewhere? :P |
| 16:51.46 | zenzelezz | the whatnow? |
| 16:51.53 | Fisker | you heard me |
| 16:51.59 | Fisker | wobi |
| 16:52.01 | Fisker | damnit |
| 16:52.02 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 16:52.04 | Fisker | tell him |
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| 16:53.36 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRGDcwOxBzY |
| 16:58.41 | Fisker | http://images.4chan.org/v/src/1274028885857.jpg <-that's why Valve is nerfing pyros |
| 17:03.29 | airtonix | Matsy, those two mods were called : Hack & LuaBrowser |
| 17:04.11 | airtonix | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11101-Hack.html |
| 17:04.40 | airtonix | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/lua-browser.aspx |
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| 17:10.14 | foxlit | The weirdest use of icons ever. |
| 17:10.24 | foxlit | (luabrowser) |
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| 17:23.21 | Gintaro | airtonix, taekwindow is awesome |
| 17:24.17 | airtonix | Gintaro, its also a portable app, so you can use it on a computer that you are unable to install stuff on |
| 17:24.25 | Gintaro | nice |
| 17:24.37 | airtonix | Same with synergy |
| 17:25.19 | Gintaro | synergy? |
| 17:25.27 | airtonix | software KVM |
| 17:25.56 | airtonix | move my mouse of the top of my netbook and it appears on the bottom of my desktop screen |
| 17:25.59 | airtonix | off* |
| 17:26.18 | airtonix | also allows you to copy/paste data between screens |
| 17:27.09 | airtonix | So what i do at college, is plug in a bluetooth usb adpater on the winxp machines, turn on my netbooks internal bluetooth and set it to be a PAN access point and have the winxp machine connect to it |
| 17:27.15 | airtonix | then run synergy server on the winxp |
| 17:27.22 | airtonix | and connect to it from my netbook |
| 17:27.33 | airtonix | then i only need to use my netbooks keyboard and mouse |
| 17:28.36 | Gintaro | heh nice |
| 17:28.44 | airtonix | You could do the same with wifi usb sticks |
| 17:28.53 | mikma | wififi |
| 17:28.59 | mikma | new breed of dogs |
| 17:29.09 | airtonix | french digitial dogs ? |
| 17:29.13 | airtonix | wi wi |
| 17:29.30 | mikma | wi wi, fifi |
| 17:32.13 | Dashkal | Is there an easy way to completely nuke auctioneer's price database without killing settings? |
| 17:32.19 | foxlit | # Why aren't you seizing the boy? And causing harm? |
| 17:32.28 | Adys | lua> x = 1; x = 0 or x; return x |
| 17:32.34 | lua_bot | Adys: 0 |
| 17:32.43 | Adys | :( |
| 17:33.02 | foxlit | :? |
| 17:33.12 | mikma | lua> x = 1; x = x or 0; return x |
| 17:33.12 | lua_bot | mikma: 1 |
| 17:34.10 | Adys | mikma: yes but thats not what i want |
| 17:34.33 | mikma | it's exactly what i need |
| 17:34.58 | Adys | if self.alias[command] then command = self.alias[command] end |
| 17:35.03 | Adys | i wanted to shorten that |
| 17:35.48 | mikma | command = self.alias[command] and self.alias[command] or 1 ;)))) |
| 17:35.57 | foxlit | drop the and |
| 17:36.26 | Adys | er |
| 17:36.45 | Adys | i want command to be unchanged if self.alias[command] doesnt exist |
| 17:36.48 | Adys | problem is |
| 17:37.02 | Adys | if i do command = self.alias[command] or command |
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| 17:37.10 | Adys | command is set to nil before it's reset to itself |
| 17:37.15 | foxlit | bs, Adys |
| 17:37.23 | Adys | well thats what lua_bot tells me. |
| 17:37.26 | foxlit | RHS is evaluated before the assignment |
| 17:37.29 | Adys | [18:32:19] <Adys> lua> x = 1; x = 0 or x; return x |
| 17:37.29 | Adys | [18:32:24] <lua_bot> Adys: 0 |
| 17:37.33 | foxlit | Lua bot tells you what you asked. |
| 17:37.44 | foxlit | 0 or x is 0 because or is short-circuited |
| 17:37.51 | foxlit | not because anything happened to x |
| 17:38.00 | Cide | and because 0 evaluates to the boolean value true |
| 17:38.15 | Adys | lua> x = 1; x = nil or x; return x |
| 17:38.15 | lua_bot | Adys: 1 |
| 17:38.24 | Adys | oh right |
| 17:39.00 | Cide | ~faildys |
| 17:39.01 | purl | FAIL, Adys, FAIL! |
| 17:39.33 | Adys | ~failcide |
| 17:39.34 | purl | FAIL, Cide, FAIL |
| 17:39.56 | foxlit | Java needs an equivalent of const int const * |
| 17:39.58 | Cide | that's such a worthless command |
| 17:40.10 | Adys | fine then |
| 17:40.11 | Adys | ~failua |
| 17:40.12 | purl | FAIL, Lua, FAIL! |
| 17:40.22 | Cide | foxlit: const pointer to a const int? |
| 17:40.36 | Cide | or does that mean something else? |
| 17:41.13 | Adys | ~failrik |
| 17:41.14 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 17:41.17 | foxlit | Cide: close. |
| 17:41.31 | foxlit | A const pointer to an array of const ints |
| 17:41.47 | Cide | ah |
| 17:41.53 | foxlit | i.e. "You no touch my array elements!" |
| 17:41.55 | Cide | my meaning would be const int* const? |
| 17:42.11 | Cide | or is that also incorrect |
| 17:42.14 | Matsy | why does Java need pointers to start with |
| 17:42.22 | Cide | it doesn't have pointers |
| 17:42.27 | Matsy | indeed |
| 17:42.35 | Matsy | C# has pointers. |
| 17:42.35 | Cide | which is a weakness |
| 17:42.37 | ZorbaBeta | actually I'm pretty sure const int const * is invalid |
| 17:42.46 | ZorbaBeta | and you do actually mean int const * const or const int * const |
| 17:42.51 | Matsy | In an unsafe context, that is |
| 17:43.02 | ZorbaBeta | (which are equivalent) |
| 17:43.14 | Cide | wow, so many modifiers in so many different places |
| 17:43.22 | Cide | and it's the same modifier to make it even more confusing |
| 17:43.29 | Adys | modifies Cide in different places |
| 17:43.53 | Adys | modifies Kalroth in different places too for the hell of it |
| 17:44.00 | Kalroth | Eek |
| 17:44.03 | ZorbaBeta | for bonus points, make a chart of the eight possible const'ed variants of int**, and which of them can be implicitly converted to others |
| 17:44.05 | Kalroth | You leave my properties be |
| 17:44.10 | ZorbaBeta | the answers may surprise you! :D |
| 17:44.20 | Cide | the answers may fuck my head completely |
| 17:44.22 | foxlit | It compiles, I discount all responsibility for "correctness" |
| 17:44.23 | Cide | s/may// |
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| 17:44.38 | Xinhuan | const always applies to the symbol or type to its immediate left, unless its the first word on the statement |
| 17:44.53 | Cide | in which case it's the one to the right? |
| 17:44.55 | ZorbaBeta | most crucially, int ** cannot be converted to int const **, but *can* be converted to int * const* and int const * const * |
| 17:44.57 | Xinhuan | yep ;p |
| 17:45.03 | Adys | !api locale |
| 17:45.04 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'locale': GetLocale, GetExistingLocales, os.setlocale |
| 17:45.08 | Adys | !api getlocale |
| 17:45.08 | lua_bot | GetLocale: Returns a code indicating the localization currently in use by the client (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetLocale) |
| 17:45.29 | Xinhuan | if you remember that rule, you can't really go wrong with const |
| 17:45.30 | Cide | int ** cannot be converted to int const ** <-- why not? |
| 17:45.34 | ZorbaBeta | (permitting int** to be cast to int const** breaks the type system rather badly) |
| 17:45.52 | ZorbaBeta | I can write up an example real fast if you like |
| 17:46.12 | Cide | because the original pointer can modify the variable, which would make the other pointer have a different value? |
| 17:46.33 | Cide | or is that not a problem? |
| 17:46.51 | ZorbaBeta | pretty much, yeah |
| 17:47.02 | foxlit | Thought consts were assertions about what *you* can do with your memory locations, not about what others could do to it |
| 17:47.04 | ZorbaBeta | there's a somewhat convoluted way in which you can strip off the const from a const pointer |
| 17:47.19 | ZorbaBeta | (if int** can be converted implicitly to int const**, that is) |
| 17:47.30 | Cide | foxlit: I guess it provides the compiler with some optimization tricks to use also |
| 17:48.25 | foxlit | It seems weird that you can strip a const by adding a const, Zorba. |
| 17:48.38 | ZorbaBeta | foxlit, yeah, I didn't get it either until someone showed it to me |
| 17:48.40 | ZorbaBeta | here lemme type it out |
| 17:50.40 | foxlit | Either way, I want a Java array where you cannot go array[5] = "foo"; |
| 17:51.14 | ZorbaBeta | const int i = 42; /* we are going to change this */ const int *cp = &i; int *p; int **pp = &p; const int **cpp = pp; /* note: cpp is now pointing at p */ *cpp = cp; /* note: p is now pointing at i */ *p = 666; /* oh no what has happened ;.; */ |
| 17:51.18 | Dashkal | Give up arrays and use a read-only list? |
| 17:51.41 | foxlit | Dashkal: yes. Giving up arrays is pretty much the only way to accomplish that. |
| 17:51.59 | Dashkal | Arrays in Java are kind of a hack anyway. I tended to avoid them. |
| 17:52.07 | Dashkal | Except when I needed to use closures |
| 17:52.23 | ZorbaBeta | note that you can use the approximate same logic to ban an implicit conversion from Derived** to Base** as well. |
| 17:52.45 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/general-discussions/itt-cataclysm-has-been-released/ |
| 17:53.53 | Gintaro | note to self: taekwindow does not interact well with WoW |
| 17:54.14 | Adys | !api gametooltip.settooltip |
| 17:54.14 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'gametooltip.settooltip'. |
| 17:54.29 | Adys | !api gametooltip.sethyper |
| 17:54.30 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'gametooltip.sethyper': GameTooltip:SetHyperlink, GameTooltip:SetHyperlinkCompareItem |
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| 17:58.10 | Adys | !api getexisting |
| 17:58.10 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'getexisting': GetExistingSocketInfo, GetExistingLocales, GetExistingSocketLink |
| 17:58.55 | Adys | I dont understand this |
| 17:59.06 | Adys | GetExistingLocales() retuens deDE, enGB, esES, frFR |
| 17:59.13 | Adys | yet GetLocale returns enUS |
| 17:59.24 | Adys | how does the game know I have enGB installed? |
| 17:59.36 | foxlit | Game is omniscient! |
| 17:59.53 | foxlit | i.e. it knows which mpqs actually exist. |
| 18:00.03 | Adys | what I meant was |
| 18:00.22 | Adys | how does the language selection screen show "English (EU)" when GetLocale returns enUS |
| 18:01.30 | foxlit | The two are unrelated. |
| 18:01.32 | Pneumatus | theres a cvar set to enGB for GB clients |
| 18:01.48 | foxlit | GetLocale() returns which locale your client is currently pretending to be. |
| 18:01.59 | foxlit | GetExistingLocales() returns identifiers for all the MPQs you have installed |
| 18:02.23 | Adys | so where does the language selection screen get the one currently in use? |
| 18:02.25 | Pneumatus | GetCVar('locale') |
| 18:02.40 | Adys | hmm i see |
| 18:02.50 | Pneumatus | there's a 'portal' cvar set to 'eu' also |
| 18:09.58 | Adys | Pneumatus: i never thought of using that one |
| 18:10.19 | Adys | it answers a question i had a few weeks back about how to distinguish whether the player is on an US or EU serv |
| 18:10.48 | foxlit | Check the realmList :) |
| 18:11.07 | Adys | yeah by that one i meant cvars realmlist/portal |
| 18:12.08 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 18:12.09 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
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| 18:25.28 | Adys | !api gx |
| 18:25.28 | lua_bot | RestartGx: Restart the client's graphic subsystem (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/RestartGx) |
| 18:29.21 | haste | Fisker: the queue is your fault! |
| 18:30.13 | Adys | !api sfx |
| 18:30.14 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'sfx'. |
| 18:30.44 | Adys | ah there it is |
| 18:30.45 | Adys | Sound_GameSystem_RestartSoundSystem |
| 18:39.04 | Fisker | no haste |
| 18:39.09 | Fisker | but lol that was lucky |
| 18:39.25 | Fisker | one of our people with mark died just as saurfang did |
| 18:41.44 | Prea|Home | Could also be a bug |
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| 18:42.12 | Prea|Home | we had in early icc (when everything was actually hard...) we sometimes had that the debuff remains on the players |
| 19:00.45 | Fisker | it was virtually indistinguishable to see when he died Prea|Home |
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| 19:06.17 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 19:06.18 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 19:08.36 | Thunder_Child | you were just there Adys |
| 19:08.48 | Adys | and now im back |
| 19:08.56 | zenzelezz | with a vengeance |
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| 19:09.13 | Thunder_Child | thanks zenzelezz, anything to help...right? |
| 19:09.28 | zenzelezz | you bet |
| 19:27.39 | Lopeppeppy | Rosie does not approve of Stitch. *laugh* |
| 19:27.55 | Lunessa | Did she like Lilo> |
| 19:28.09 | Lopeppeppy | She hasn't met Lilo yet, the movie is still young. |
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| 19:29.28 | Cloudwolf | i liked that movie (i assume your talking about lilo and stitch considering you know stitch is kind of uncommon :D) |
| 19:29.46 | Cloudwolf | Nvm I sound like a retard. |
| 19:30.16 | Lunessa | This is new? :P |
| 19:30.27 | Cloudwolf | Hey! |
| 19:30.31 | Cloudwolf | no D: |
| 19:30.38 | Lopeppeppy | We are indeed watching Lilo and Stitch, while I... rip out some stitches. |
| 19:30.42 | Lunessa | ~comfort Cloudwolf |
| 19:30.43 | purl | There, there, Cloudwolf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:30.52 | Cloudwolf | lies purl you lie! XD |
| 19:33.55 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy, are you working on costumes/garb? |
| 19:34.28 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you're *good* |
| 19:34.42 | Lopeppeppy | I have to remake everything I own, pretty much. All too big! |
| 19:34.46 | Lunessa | I r teh smart |
| 19:34.52 | Lopeppeppy | So I'm ripping down seams watching a movie with Rosie |
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| 19:35.18 | Lunessa | This re-making things smaller is a happy day! |
| 19:35.38 | Lopeppeppy | I heard that in Pilz-E's voice.... *whimper* |
| 19:35.43 | Lopeppeppy | But yes. A lot of work, but happy day. |
| 19:36.14 | Lunessa | I am not a mad scientest from outer-space |
| 19:36.27 | Lopeppeppy | yes you are, sweetie |
| 19:36.34 | Lunessa | ... |
| 19:36.39 | Lunessa | go me? |
| 19:36.56 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, very. You blend very well with the primitive human population |
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| 19:37.24 | Lunessa | Be very careful with that, it is very dangerous! |
| 19:37.54 | Lopeppeppy | Pudge has his sandwich! |
| 19:42.10 | Kraps | is there a port to onys lair? |
| 19:42.24 | zenzelezz | there's a port in Theramore lulz |
| 19:43.27 | Kraps | eyes zenzelezz |
| 19:43.36 | Lopeppeppy | Oh you're kidding, there's a port to Ony now? How lazy! |
| 19:43.51 | zenzelezz | he was asking, I was making a pun |
| 19:43.56 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 19:43.58 | Lopeppeppy | Bad monkey |
| 19:44.13 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I fixed WoW: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16723-Meters.html |
| 19:44.36 | Kraps | you may laugh but i will have my revenge |
| 19:44.42 | Lopeppeppy | silly head. |
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| 19:49.33 | zenzelezz | wow, annoying shaking "you're user 999,999!" banners suck |
| 19:50.21 | Cloudwolf | and this is why you use add block plus with firefox |
| 19:50.36 | zenzelezz | I don't block on WoWI |
| 19:54.19 | Kraps | so i'm about to attempt healing onyxia despite never having done it |
| 19:55.23 | Nechckn | I adblock on WoWI, but I also pay for the Ala/WoWI/etc membership. =) |
| 19:55.49 | Nechckn | heheheh |
| 19:56.03 | zenzelezz | I may try that instead |
| 19:56.23 | Nechckn | But, gawd, how horrid the net is becoming lately. Sort of like the Vegas Strip, only worse. |
| 19:57.21 | Nechckn | The shaking ones are close to the worst type, too. |
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| 20:25.31 | Cairenn|afk | zenzelezz: next time you see one like that, screenshot it please, give us details on what page you saw it on, where you are geographically located, where it links to, put it all in a PM to one of us or a note on the site help forum, please |
| 20:25.55 | Cairenn|afk | those aren't allowed on our sites, but they do ocassionally slip through |
| 20:26.08 | zenzelezz | Cairenn|afk: oh, all right. I didn't know that was outside the rules |
| 20:27.02 | Cairenn|afk | yep |
| 20:27.08 | Cairenn|afk | those piss us off |
| 20:27.19 | Cairenn|afk | same as they piss you off |
| 20:27.21 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 20:27.28 | Seerah | one algebra exam written, one to go |
| 20:27.37 | Lopeppeppy | Yaaaay! |
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| 20:29.22 | Seerah | wth? when I printed it out, I have tiny number lines and coordinate planes overlapping the larger ones... -.- |
| 20:30.15 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: you are the 9,999,999,999th bad ad! |
| 20:30.22 | Lopeppeppy | Uh oh. Disharmony in the image chakra. |
| 20:30.22 | Cairenn|afk | grrrrr |
| 20:30.29 | Adys | :P |
| 20:30.41 | Lopeppeppy | For both Seerah and Cairenn! /comfort |
| 20:31.03 | Seerah | save as .pdf and print those 2 pages again.... |
| 20:31.07 | Seerah | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 20:33.24 | Seerah | well... that fixed some of them... |
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| 20:43.22 | Lunessa | Seerah: That's usually a "Data to the driver is all funky" issue. |
| 20:43.34 | Lunessa | Restart the printer often helps |
| 20:43.42 | Seerah | I had just turned it on ;) |
| 20:43.53 | Lunessa | *nod* I do this all day at work. :) |
| 20:43.56 | Seerah | maybe if I had quit out of OO.org and reopened it |
| 20:44.15 | Seerah | but, there are only 3 messed up now, and they're only *somewhat* in the way |
| 20:47.05 | zenzelezz | are you sure there was something wrong? Math often looks like a mess |
| 20:54.02 | Lopeppeppy | Math just is a mess. *mournful* |
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| 21:06.15 | zenzelezz | BoA items can be mailed to the opposite faction? |
| 21:06.30 | Kraps | on the same realm |
| 21:06.40 | zenzelezz | thanks |
| 21:07.01 | Kraps | why does Gilneas have a London vibe? |
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| 21:09.43 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Windoze. |
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| 21:10.44 | Lopeppeppy | "Do we have a lobster door? No, we have a dog door. We are getting a dog." |
| 21:11.19 | Lunessa | wants a dog. |
| 21:12.57 | Lopeppeppy | Not this dog!!! |
| 21:17.27 | zenzelezz | "[2. Trade] [...]: WTS [Kang the Decapitator]! lich king use it!:O" |
| 21:17.38 | zenzelezz | someone's either very out of touch on lore, or really trying to fool people |
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| 21:19.31 | Cloudwolf | I would say the person doesn't know what they are talking about along with dropping what makes Lich King a proper noun. |
| 21:20.43 | Lopeppeppy | "The manager is a vampire and he wanted me to join his legion of the undead." |
| 21:20.54 | Lopeppeppy | The only thing that would improve this movie is if I could have the rum with it! |
| 21:25.32 | Seerah | foxlit: I just saw this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16700-BLPView.html <33333 |
| 21:26.06 | foxlit | Seerah: Has 110 downloads but not a single comment. I wonder if I'm crashing those poor people off the internet :) |
| 21:26.14 | Seerah | hehe |
| 21:26.33 | Seerah | Better? :) |
| 21:26.43 | Shadowed | oh |
| 21:26.46 | Shadowed | I love you foxlit |
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| 21:26.54 | Shadowed | if only you had done this like 3 months ago |
| 21:26.57 | Shadowed | when I was searching through blps |
| 21:27.01 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 21:27.28 | foxlit | Seerah: Nah, doesn't fix the problem. |
| 21:27.38 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 21:27.38 | foxlit | "I'm going to try this" followed by a silence == "I've died trying this" |
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| 21:28.02 | Fisker | hey Shadowed |
| 21:28.10 | Lopeppeppy | does not download crashy bits! |
| 21:28.59 | Seerah | foxlit: but it didn't let me choose where to install it :p |
| 21:29.40 | Seerah | and it works! me no kicked off interwebz |
| 21:30.20 | foxlit | Good to know :) |
| 21:30.46 | Lunessa | And it works for me too. It's awesomely useful |
| 21:31.21 | foxlit | Lunessa: the version at wowi is a bit newer than the last published test |
| 21:31.21 | Seerah | now better, foxlit? :) |
| 21:31.21 | foxlit | Cheers :) |
| 21:31.32 | Lunessa | Better than the one I installed Wednesday or Thursday at the office? |
| 21:31.35 | foxlit | Yep. |
| 21:31.45 | zenzelezz | this one has more cowbell |
| 21:32.08 | foxlit | Pushed a few more registry keys; windows now automatically switches folders to thumbnail view when you view the UI kit art directories. |
| 21:32.47 | Lunessa | Solid |
| 21:33.01 | Lunessa | Just installed it. |
| 21:34.32 | foxlit | Seerah: foxlit: but it didn't let me choose where to install it :p << I was contemplating how much of a UI I want in that installer, really. |
| 21:35.03 | Seerah | It's so small, it's not like it really matters. |
| 21:35.15 | Lunessa | It's a windows shell extension. People installing it ought to be comfortable with it just going to default. |
| 21:36.12 | Seerah | ATI, IE, Windows stuff, etc. are all in that folder, too. I just prefer to keep things in one spot so that I don't forget where they are... >.> |
| 21:36.53 | Seerah | especially since I'm on 64-bit, and I have 2 different program files folders on my C: drive alone..... |
| 21:36.59 | foxlit | I basically thought that you'll never have a reason to find that file, so it might as well sit in some system folder and spare you from thinking about it. |
| 21:37.42 | Seerah | yeah, no biggie :) |
| 21:38.28 | Lopeppeppy | It should still ask me where I want it to go. I like to be bossy with my programs. |
| 21:39.49 | Lunessa | goes back to lurking 'cause laundry must get done. |
| 21:42.57 | Fisker | oops |
| 21:44.50 | Fisker | cages foxlit |
| 21:47.34 | Cide | hmm |
| 21:48.06 | Cide | in c++, do shifts use whatever data type the variable is of, or is it temporarily cast to int? |
| 21:48.50 | Lopeppeppy | I like fluffy!! |
| 21:48.52 | Cide | more specifically, ((( (unsigned char) 0xFF) << 4) >> 4) == 0xF0? too lazy to check |
| 21:50.06 | Fisker | imma fuck you up Cide |
| 21:50.26 | Cide | hmm nope, it's == 0xFF |
| 21:50.37 | cbreak | Cide: there's T operator<<() |
| 21:50.44 | Cide | hm? |
| 21:50.45 | cbreak | it's overloadable |
| 21:50.51 | Cide | that's way too big a hack for my taste though |
| 21:50.52 | cbreak | so it might do anything |
| 21:51.04 | zenzelezz | Cide: what are you wanting to do? |
| 21:51.18 | Cide | well, it's a bit of an intricate situation |
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| 21:52.31 | Cide | basically, given a number x, 0 < x < 8, I want to either get 1) the low x bits, 2) the high x bits, 3) the complement to the low x bits (that is, the high 8-x bits), 4) the complement to the high x bits (that is, the low 8-x bits) |
| 21:53.34 | Cide | I did this before by using a single byte consisting of only 1's in the x low bits for 1), and then using ~byte to get 2) |
| 21:53.45 | Cide | but now I need 3) and 4) also but I don't think I can use the same byte for that |
| 21:54.17 | Cide | it's quite easily doable with (value << x) >> x, assuming the overflow isn't saved (but it is) |
| 21:54.35 | foxlit | Cide: so throw a bitwise and in there. |
| 21:54.39 | Cide | yeah, I will |
| 21:54.43 | foxlit | And clip your overflow that way |
| 21:54.48 | Cide | was just hoping for a better solution really |
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| 22:00.13 | dusky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:03.54 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: finally got my hair down and straight again after a long while, just short of 2 feet of hair |
| 22:04.08 | Lopeppeppy | You should brush that sometimes, yaknow. |
| 22:04.25 | Arrowmaster | just took over an hour to get the tangles out |
| 22:04.43 | Lopeppeppy | Did you use conditioner? |
| 22:05.06 | Arrowmaster | no i didnt wash it, just combed it out |
| 22:06.08 | Lopeppeppy | You can use conditioner for detangling without washing it. *laugh* |
| 22:06.39 | Arrowmaster | that still requires get it wet though right |
| 22:06.43 | Lopeppeppy | 1:3 in a water bottle, squirt squirt, brush. |
| 22:06.59 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 22:07.00 | Lopeppeppy | I don't count that as "wet" |
| 22:07.09 | airtonix | rofl |
| 22:07.25 | airtonix | <insert cats look of horror> |
| 22:07.50 | Arrowmaster | well it was in a braid for over 2 weeks i doubt squirting the braid would do much |
| 22:07.58 | Lopeppeppy | I use canned air to discipline my cats -- electronics household much? |
| 22:08.08 | Lopeppeppy | Arrowmaster, take it out, squirt, comb. |
| 22:08.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah your missing that the comb is required to unbraid my hair |
| 22:09.00 | airtonix | gamma rays |
| 22:09.14 | Lopeppeppy | Suirt the comb. |
| 22:15.25 | cbreak | squirt? That microsoft stuff? |
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| 22:17.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Microsloth. Yeah. In your hair. |
| 22:19.01 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/us/16oil.html |
| 22:19.14 | Arrowmaster | im lazy though, thats part of the reason my hair is even long, too lazy to keep cutting it |
| 22:19.16 | ScytheBlade1 | "Scientists are finding enormous oil plumes in the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico, including one as large as 10 miles long, 3 miles wide and 300 feet thick in spots." |
| 22:20.55 | Arrowmaster | did you catch the one saying that if the rock collapses and the hole widens to 1/4 of a mile it will be an extinction event |
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| 22:21.49 | Arrowmaster | and then keep in mind that russian suggested nuking it and the DoE sent down some nuclear experts |
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| 22:23.21 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah I did |
| 22:24.57 | cbreak | http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/ |
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| 22:29.20 | Arrowmaster | and just remember, this disaster is just one more in a line of disasters brought to you buy the quest for oil/natural gas, a previous major disaster being http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidoarjo_mud_flow |
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| 22:31.28 | AbsolutRayne | Afternoon |
| 22:31.37 | Sesshu | hi guys |
| 22:32.29 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Pokenudge |
| 22:32.45 | Lopeppeppy | Pikachu, I choose AbsolutRayne! |
| 22:32.58 | AbsolutRayne | :D |
| 22:33.46 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_051610_143307.jpg WiP |
| 22:34.00 | AbsolutRayne | I need some serious critique on it, I feel like its missing something. |
| 22:34.44 | Cide | where is your health and mana? |
| 22:34.49 | Cide | nvm |
| 22:35.49 | batrick | Our lager, which art in barrels, |
| 22:35.54 | batrick | hallowed by thy fame. |
| 22:35.57 | Lopeppeppy | Well, it's hard to critique on just a self-portrait, AbsolutRayne. It's pretty simple as it stands, very clean and concise. |
| 22:36.01 | batrick | Thy will be drunk, i will be drunk, |
| 22:36.06 | batrick | at home, as it is in heaven. |
| 22:36.09 | Lopeppeppy | It's when you're healing a raid that it gets all cluttered and needs to be tweaked. |
| 22:36.12 | batrick | Give us this day our foamy head, |
| 22:36.18 | batrick | and forgive our spillage, |
| 22:36.23 | batrick | as we forgive those who spill against us. |
| 22:36.29 | batrick | And lead us not to incarceration, |
| 22:36.33 | Lopeppeppy | Foamy Squirrel. |
| 22:36.38 | airtonix | AbsolutRayne, wrap your cast bar around your unitframe so it appears to be the border |
| 22:36.39 | cbreak | you do? |
| 22:36.39 | cbreak | since when? |
| 22:36.39 | batrick | but deliver us from hangovers. |
| 22:36.48 | batrick | For thine is the ale, the pilsner, and the lager, |
| 22:36.51 | batrick | forever and ever. |
| 22:36.52 | batrick | Amen. |
| 22:36.57 | AbsolutRayne | airtonix: Thats been done 248091789012 times, Im ok with not doing it. No offense |
| 22:37.22 | airtonix | im sure its only been done 1203 times |
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| 22:37.50 | Kraps | aww yeah, last episode of ncis is heavy |
| 22:38.58 | airtonix | AbsolutRayne, you might also benefit from a latency indicator on the castbar |
| 22:39.32 | AbsolutRayne | Sidetracking, you would totally buy this for your kid. http://i42.tinypic.com/b7xk6w.jpg |
| 22:39.54 | zenzelezz | AbsolutRayne: how can you read anything on that chat frame |
| 22:40.07 | AbsolutRayne | By looking at it and reading words? O_o |
| 22:40.41 | zenzelezz | so tiny text |
| 22:43.18 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone has different strength glasses! :) |
| 22:43.35 | Lopeppeppy | I like a separate castbar, as a healer. I want to SEE it clearly. Latency might be spiffy fun. |
| 22:43.59 | zenzelezz | my glasses are very strong, my vision is poor |
| 22:47.00 | AbsolutRayne | Why did Ronnie James Dio have to die. :( |
| 22:47.02 | airtonix | http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3662/wowscrnshot062409082324.jpg |
| 22:47.39 | airtonix | http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3213/wowscrnshot062409082310.jpg |
| 22:48.06 | AbsolutRayne | Meh. :/ |
| 22:48.27 | AbsolutRayne | It looks better doing that with Power Bars, like OUF can do, than a Castbar. |
| 22:48.41 | airtonix | all you need to do is have the latency shown as a different colour on the castbar |
| 22:48.44 | Kraps | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/05/500x_862804947_ohqt6-l.jpg |
| 22:49.35 | Dagmar | Kraps: They have an aversion to just giving a link to PA? |
| 22:49.44 | zenzelezz | oh god... I've been going "ffs, five points short on thorium/dark iron, WHY ISN'T THIS MITHRIL GIVING ME SKILL!?"... and I now notice I'm at 225/225 |
| 22:49.47 | zenzelezz | fails |
| 22:49.52 | Kraps | Dagmar: http://kotaku.com/5538785/sunday-comics |
| 22:50.51 | Dagmar | Kraps: Whoops. Looks like they have yet to learn about Scott Kurtz's love of transparency |
| 22:53.48 | Lopeppeppy | Ooops, zenzelezz. |
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| 22:54.03 | Lopeppeppy | Right now, I can't think of much to point out, AbsolutRayne. I need to see more screen clutter to give me ideas. :P |
| 22:54.19 | AbsolutRayne | Sec |
| 22:54.33 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Damn... and Geocities is shuttered for good now |
| 22:55.24 | Lopeppeppy | Geocities? Where did that come from? |
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| 22:55.54 | alestane | Screen clutter, I think. |
| 22:56.31 | Lopeppeppy | oh, okay. |
| 22:56.41 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, you missed Lilo and Stitch. |
| 22:57.06 | alestane | For something like eight years running, or however long it's been since it came out. |
| 22:58.45 | alestane | http://www.gocomics.com/heartofthecity/2010/05/16/ Poor Dean. |
| 22:59.10 | AbsolutRayne | I swear, Sexycooldown hates me so much. Maybe more than GNosis. |
| 22:59.30 | airtonix | clar |
| 22:59.33 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_051610_165526.jpg Heres everything minus Grid being up in a Raid. |
| 22:59.35 | airtonix | yarrr! |
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| 23:02.38 | AbsolutRayne | I can get one with Grid in like 10 minutes, if my BG que decides to pop. |
| 23:02.52 | Lopeppeppy | is grid going in the right corner? |
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| 23:03.45 | AbsolutRayne | Nope |
| 23:04.46 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. I would have expected it there. Where's it going? |
| 23:07.57 | AbsolutRayne | Above the players Castbar |
| 23:08.54 | Kraps | miniclip |
| 23:10.51 | Lopeppeppy | okay I can see that too, center line |
| 23:19.24 | AbsolutRayne | Grid is being Somewhat Silly again |
| 23:19.28 | WobWork | zenzelezz: Antiarc was working on a plugin to his hudmap that would show Blood Queen proximity circles |
| 23:19.32 | AbsolutRayne | But oh well |
| 23:20.21 | Antiarc | http://www.wowace.com/addons/hudmap/ |
| 23:20.25 | Antiarc | Not finished but functional |
| 23:21.51 | WobWork | ta Mr Arc |
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| 23:26.35 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 23:26.44 | Fisker | why so slow Antiarc? :( |
| 23:26.48 | Antiarc | ? |
| 23:26.50 | Fisker | also give the 2.2 scoop |
| 23:28.41 | zenzelezz | no scoop for you! |
| 23:29.00 | Fisker | oh Antiarc i like you |
| 23:29.04 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXeOFwm4MFs <-awesome music |
| 23:29.21 | Antiarc | haha, that's just what was on lastfm at the time :P |
| 23:29.23 | airtonix | Antiarc, is this someting that everyone need to have running ? or are you getting data from new sources? |
| 23:29.31 | Antiarc | airtonix: Nope, you can run it solo |
| 23:29.36 | Antiarc | We've had that info since 3.1 |
| 23:29.48 | Fisker | it's just like AVR(E) just with minimap instead |
| 23:29.53 | airtonix | ah because unit x y is available in dungeons now ? |
| 23:29.59 | Hjalte | I think it's a great idea, but that hud could be a mess together with AVR |
| 23:30.21 | Antiarc | airtonix: Right |
| 23:30.36 | airtonix | have you provided way to theme the radars? |
| 23:30.40 | Antiarc | Nah, not yet |
| 23:30.43 | Antiarc | It's still early alpha |
| 23:30.50 | Antiarc | Well technically, yes |
| 23:30.58 | Antiarc | When you invoke a pin on the hudmap you pick what texture you want |
| 23:31.03 | airtonix | just replace existing textures your pushing |
| 23:31.06 | Antiarc | So you could put a star at a fixed location |
| 23:31.10 | Antiarc | Or whatever |
| 23:31.20 | Antiarc | It's more of a framework than an end-user product at the moment |
| 23:31.37 | airtonix | i was also thinking of the background and sweep parts |
| 23:31.53 | Antiarc | That's just a static texture I'm rotating. |
| 23:32.02 | airtonix | ah ok |
| 23:32.12 | Antiarc | You could do two textures, one background and one sweep |
| 23:32.13 | Antiarc | But I'm lazy |
| 23:32.14 | Antiarc | :P |
| 23:32.17 | airtonix | even for now just provide an opacity level control or something |
| 23:32.22 | Antiarc | Yeah, that's all in there |
| 23:32.25 | airtonix | the current texture looks great |
| 23:32.34 | Antiarc | I mean, it's hardcoded in the encounter file |
| 23:32.42 | Antiarc | But you specify the radar color/opacity when you invoke a marker |
| 23:33.06 | Antiarc | encounters:RangeCheckAll("timer", 12, 5, 1, 1, 1, 0.4, 1, 0, 0, 0.4, true) |
| 23:33.31 | airtonix | when you say framework, do you mean that bigwigs can invoke it ? |
| 23:33.42 | Antiarc | "timer" is the radar texture, 12 yards, 5 second timer, "safe" is rgba(1,1,1,0.4), "unsafe" is rgba(1, 0, 0, 0.4), exclude the player from markers. |
| 23:33.45 | Antiarc | Sure. |
| 23:34.04 | Antiarc | The idea is that it's a framework for managing relative positional and range data on a hud overlay |
| 23:34.42 | Antiarc | So you tell it "I want to paint a 6-yard circle on Joe, and I want it to be green, then I want it to go away after 12 seconds. Also, I want it to rotate 720 degrees in 4 seconds" or whatever. |
| 23:34.50 | airtonix | is it just location avoidance indication at the moment ? |
| 23:35.22 | WobWork | well |
| 23:35.23 | Antiarc | Well, I'm gonna do stuff like pointing an arrow to the slime tank on Rotface, or warning if people aren't clumped up for the Frost Giant, etc. |
| 23:35.33 | Antiarc | The idea is that it's a top-down 2D tactical map |
| 23:35.40 | WobWork | it can be used for anything you can engineer |
| 23:35.44 | airtonix | so glow green instead of red when you in a nice range |
| 23:35.48 | Antiarc | Sure, that's doable. |
| 23:36.27 | airtonix | then you can rig up monitord and a arduno and automate wow |
| 23:36.43 | WobWork | Antiarc: one thing could be to have it at max circle for pair matching, and reduce the circle as they get closer together (along with an arrow) |
| 23:36.59 | Antiarc | Sure, that could be done. |
| 23:37.10 | Antiarc | Basically, if you can do basic trig, you can make this do all kinds of fun things |
| 23:38.54 | Dagmar | Good plan |
| 23:39.18 | WobWork | oh no |
| 23:39.20 | WobWork | basic trig =( |
| 23:39.29 | Dagmar | How is basic trig even hard? |
| 23:39.38 | WobWork | Math is hard! |
| 23:39.42 | WobWork | twirls his hair |
| 23:39.54 | alestane | He's got a whole lot of nothing in there? |
| 23:39.55 | airtonix | masculinity warning |
| 23:40.05 | WobWork | wow, that was subtly anti american =P |
| 23:40.08 | airtonix | <alarm bells> |
| 23:40.25 | zenzelezz | I'm sure you can do it with some lua trigonometry too |
| 23:40.37 | WobWork | ~rimshot |
| 23:40.39 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 23:40.43 | Dagmar | You could do it with sqrt() alone if you were mean enough |
| 23:41.00 | Dagmar | Boy howdy that would piss some people off tho |
| 23:42.38 | Dagmar | I actually got bonus points added to my questionable second semester trig/calc final because I was oversubbed on my time and got confused about something... wound up leaving this huge assortment of scribbles down the margin of the exam because I had to basically start with the unit circle, u and v, and work my way up to be sure I'd picked the right function |
| 23:43.07 | Dagmar | I can't reliably add three two-digit numbers together, but trigonometry I understand. |
| 23:43.37 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/05/16/funny-pictures-beak-young-lady/ |
| 23:43.48 | Dagmar | The prof said she was tempted to change her stance about "simple pocket calculators" during her exams after seeing what I'd done |
| 23:45.16 | Dagmar | I'd have had an A instead of a C if I didn't suck at simple math |
| 23:45.52 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i cant do simple math either but i was in pre-calc my sophomore year of highschool |
| 23:46.11 | Dagmar | Yeah I had advanced calc my last two years of high school |
| 23:46.14 | alestane | So in other words, you invented parametric equations to solve a trig problem? |
| 23:46.20 | Dagmar | alestane: Yeah pretty much |
| 23:46.36 | Shadowed | yea that's the fun part of math |
| 23:46.48 | Shadowed | learning it becomes harder when you can't even use a calculator for the simple math |
| 23:47.41 | Arrowmaster | they tried to put me in an online calc1 class my junior year but it failed horribly and so they put me in a random class the the 2nd half of junior year |
| 23:47.41 | Dagmar | Shadowed: No, trig is all about not needing a calculator |
| 23:47.41 | Dagmar | You combine it with calculus to say "No, I shall not be summing those figures today, thank you! I shall fold and mutilate this equation until it becomes easy." |
| 23:47.52 | Arrowmaster | and since there was no other class for me to take senior year they just gave me a parking pass and told me not to show up before 2nd period |
| 23:47.59 | Dagmar | hah |
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| 23:49.32 | Dagmar | My problem was just that Ms. Stubblefield just expected us all to be able to do second grade math without screwing it up |
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| 23:50.54 | WobWork | Dagmar: sounds like origami |
| 23:51.12 | Dagmar | That argument can be made. |
| 23:51.42 | Dagmar | You fold a unit circle into sin or cos, depening on which axis you make the crease. |
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| 23:53.57 | Dagmar | Hyperbolic arctangents will of course, require special blotter paper to work with |
| 23:54.29 | WobWork | it's when you need to start folding into the fourth dimension, that you may need special tools |
| 23:54.43 | Dagmar | That's what the blotter paper is for. |
| 23:55.05 | WobWork | people still use blotter paper? |
| 23:55.25 | Adys | is /framestack and /eventtrace in c or lua? |
| 23:55.25 | Dagmar | You are missing something significant here. |
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| 23:55.45 | Antiarc | Adys: Pretty sure it's an adaptation of Iriel's DevTools, which were Lua |
| 23:55.49 | Dagmar | It's not "just" blotter paper. |
| 23:55.53 | WobWork | adds a digit to his signifigance |
| 23:56.02 | Iriel | Framestack got some C++ support |
| 23:56.03 | Iriel | I |
| 23:56.09 | Iriel | Im not sure about eventtrace offhand |
| 23:56.11 | WobWork | it's.. magic blotter paper? |
| 23:56.14 | Iriel | I'd imagine it got some help too |
| 23:56.20 | Adys | Iriel: thanks |
| 23:56.20 | Dagmar | http://www.google.com/images?q=blotter <-- dude, even Google knows this one |
| 23:56.49 | Adys | Dagmar: i dont think any sentence beginning in "even google" is valid |
| 23:56.57 | Iriel | The originals were entirely Lua though |
| 23:57.11 | Adys | any idea whats been added in c++ in framestack? |
| 23:57.26 | Adys | Im going to code something similar for another game |
| 23:57.55 | Dagmar | Adys: There's some things which you hope Google's search comes up with "legit" answers for, instead of the "realistic" ones it sometimes does... as in this case. |
| 23:58.24 | Dagmar | Phrases like "carnival face painting" and "water sports" |
| 23:58.54 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/see-no-evil-speak-the-rest/5435 Yargh. |
| 23:59.49 | Arrowmaster | so i cant edit a powerpoint that was emailed to my gmail account using google docs because i dont have permission, im guessing this is because it was seen to my google apps account and not a real gmail account |
