| 00:00.02 | Antiarc | Rogue starts to get good around 30 :P |
| 00:00.07 | Antiarc | It takes that long to stop sucking |
| 00:00.36 | WobWork | also, rogue 70-80 is pretty terrible in comparison to other classes |
| 00:00.37 | Amarande | also, as if Zeb'Nowa wasn't bad enough between the hexxers and the catlords w/pets |
| 00:00.38 | Xyphoid | this was 1.9 |
| 00:00.42 | Amarande | EVERY SINGLE MOB IN THAT AREA RUNS AWAY IN FEAR |
| 00:00.44 | Antiarc | 70-74 isn't bad |
| 00:00.48 | Antiarc | 75-80 sucks hard |
| 00:00.53 | WobWork | wtb aoe =( |
| 00:00.54 | Antiarc | Especially compared to every other melee |
| 00:00.58 | Amarande | and at low levels on a rogue, your only ranged ability at all is your pathetically weak throwing weapon |
| 00:01.05 | NiLon | 1-80 was so easy with rogue :o |
| 00:01.06 | Amarande | which can't deal enough damage to take down a mob at the HP level that it runs |
| 00:01.07 | Antiarc | Rogues never get strong ranged, though |
| 00:01.15 | NiLon | it owned everything |
| 00:01.18 | Amarande | so you have no way of keeping it from getting help |
| 00:01.21 | WobWork | I like the Caty smoke bomb for rogues |
| 00:01.23 | Antiarc | NiLon: You've obviously never leveled a ret paladin, then :P |
| 00:01.28 | Amarande | (which is often another catlord ... while kitty is still pounding on you ...) |
| 00:01.33 | NiLon | Antiarc indeed I haven't |
| 00:01.39 | Fisker | pala starts to get good at 50-60ish |
| 00:01.40 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 00:01.40 | WobWork | means that my druid will need to partner up with a rogue for groups =P |
| 00:01.45 | Antiarc | Ret paladin is so ridiculously easy, it's hilarious |
| 00:01.57 | Antiarc | You can just chain pull forever, and never have issues |
| 00:01.58 | WobWork | I never got a pally past 20 |
| 00:02.22 | NiLon | at 70-80 it took for rogue like 4seconds to kill mob, damn, I can't even cast a spell in that time with other classes |
| 00:02.34 | Amarande | Antiarc: ret? you mean prot? |
| 00:02.47 | WobWork | NiLon: yeah, then 5 min til they can kill in 4 seconds again =P |
| 00:03.05 | Antiarc | Amarande: Nah, ret |
| 00:03.06 | NiLon | WobWork actually most "downtime" I got while waiting spawns/walking to another mob |
| 00:03.10 | Xyphoid | warriors are pretty amazing levelling now |
| 00:03.12 | Antiarc | Prot works as well, but it's slower |
| 00:03.22 | Antiarc | Ret is just hilarious. You two-shot stuff and heal yourself while doing it. |
| 00:03.25 | WobWork | NiLon: did you raid with your rogue in TBC? |
| 00:03.29 | Amarande | anyway, I'm not exactly sure what you were supposed to do in Zeb'Nowa as a rogue |
| 00:03.34 | NiLon | WobWork nope, I did it at wotlk |
| 00:03.36 | Amarande | unless they figured rogues would level in the Barrens |
| 00:03.41 | Xyphoid | stuff like glyph of sweeping strikes and taste for blood makes things hilaaaiour |
| 00:03.42 | Amarande | (ha! like Venture Company are any better!) |
| 00:03.52 | Amarande | Venture Co. = ROGUE HELL |
| 00:03.59 | WobWork | stealth + sap |
| 00:04.08 | WobWork | surgical strikes |
| 00:04.11 | NiLon | if it requires sap - it ain't worth it |
| 00:04.12 | WobWork | then fade away |
| 00:04.20 | NiLon | stealth anyway is just waste of time |
| 00:04.25 | WobWork | NiLon: if you totally outgear the mobs yes |
| 00:04.28 | Xyphoid | i did zeb'nowa with a rogue, it wasn't that bad was it? pull with a knife, kill |
| 00:04.39 | Xyphoid | my fresh shiny belf when bc came out was a rogue |
| 00:04.39 | WobWork | we're talking about slightly more -at level- encounters =P |
| 00:04.51 | WobWork | where rogues are squishy |
| 00:05.08 | WobWork | You're not a damn warrior, be more roguey =P |
| 00:05.25 | Amarande | Xyphoid: there are a number of things that conspire against you there |
| 00:05.31 | NiLon | and pvp with rogue is just so lovely, you go there and pewpew everything down, you are like truck that just won't stop |
| 00:05.33 | Amarande | 1) mobs run, at HP levels higher than you can one shot them with a throwing weapon |
| 00:05.39 | NiLon | it was like normal to have 50 killing blows and 0 deaths |
| 00:05.45 | Amarande | 2) too many adds, between the hexxers making you run into them and the catlords coming with one per |
| 00:05.50 | WobWork | do you have deadly strike yet? |
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| 00:06.01 | WobWork | or whatever the throwing finisher is? |
| 00:06.09 | Antiarc | deadly throw |
| 00:06.13 | WobWork | ta |
| 00:06.18 | WobWork | that bunny |
| 00:06.21 | Antiarc | And you get that at level 64 |
| 00:06.25 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:06.30 | Primedeath | Anyone here know of a bag mod that'll allow me to hide any peices pertaining to any equipment sets? I am getting tired of sifting through my bag. |
| 00:06.33 | WobWork | oh well, a fraction out of reach then |
| 00:06.34 | NiLon | and stealth is waste of time in bg also, if you are not in max lvl |
| 00:06.50 | WobWork | stealth is good for making people hit panic buttons |
| 00:07.06 | WobWork | as long as you're good at strafing |
| 00:07.13 | NiLon | they push em when they see rogue appearing that will squash every dude on the way haha |
| 00:07.13 | Antiarc | I really enjoy BGs on my rogue, but I also vastly outgear 99% of people I run across |
| 00:07.27 | Amarande | but yeah, the problem with zeb'nowa is the extreme difficulty of not getting caught with 4 or 5 mobs on you |
| 00:07.28 | Cide | run over* |
| 00:07.54 | NiLon | Antiarc hehe it was so easy that it made my laugh |
| 00:07.57 | Amarande | with the running in particular, it almost seems like in some cases it could take timing that even fast action games like Ninja Gaiden don't need |
| 00:08.07 | Amarande | since you'd have to time both your SS's and autoattacks exactly |
| 00:08.09 | Thrae | Super-Important Initial Phone Interview tomorrow. I'm going to get sooooo wasted right before that. |
| 00:08.18 | Amarande | since if you are caught just after a SS and just after a swing, and those reduced the mob into run HP |
| 00:08.20 | Amarande | you're probably screwed |
| 00:08.42 | Amarande | they'll get help in the couple seconds it takes you to be able to get in another attack, and chasing will just pull whatever's on the way |
| 00:08.53 | Xyphoid | pull further back? |
| 00:09.06 | Amarande | Xyphoid: zeb'nowa is a town-like area ... you don't really have wide open spaces to pull in |
| 00:09.19 | Amarande | meanwhile mobs have lots of walls to run behind to lose your LOS while they're getting aid |
| 00:09.26 | Xyphoid | so LOS pull them using those walls |
| 00:09.28 | Amarande | the areas that ARE wide open usually are crawling with catlords. |
| 00:10.06 | Xyphoid | time to go make a rogue heh i'm curious why i don't remember this being bad |
| 00:10.16 | Kraps | Russell Crowe as Robin Hood |
| 00:10.36 | Kraps | win for life |
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| 00:12.51 | Amarande | yay, ding |
| 00:13.01 | Amarande | Xyphoid: make sure you quest the ghostlands |
| 00:13.14 | Amarande | (really, do you want to quest the barrens? venture company mobs are just as bad with the excessive adds thing :p) |
| 00:13.34 | Amarande | at least shadowpines are trolls, so relatively large and visible so you know where said potential adds are coming from |
| 00:13.44 | Amarande | unlike venture co. mobs which tend to be tiny and blend in with the terrain :P |
| 00:15.19 | Amarande | (really, is there anyone except maybe prot pallies who actually like fighting Venture Co :D) |
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| 00:24.27 | Amarande | WTF. that was just lame |
| 00:24.32 | Amarande | Miss. Miss. Parry. Miss. Dodge. |
| 00:24.38 | Amarande | First five attacks against a same level mob. |
| 00:24.41 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:24.42 | A-KO | ouch |
| 00:24.58 | Xyphoid | are your weapon skills low? |
| 00:25.13 | Amarande | Nope. |
| 00:25.53 | A-KO | dances |
| 00:25.56 | A-KO | does the happy dance |
| 00:27.41 | Amarande | Oh hell, this wasn't even a same level mob |
| 00:27.44 | Amarande | this was a fucking GREEN level mob |
| 00:28.58 | NeoTron | Cataclysm F&F testint phase GO |
| 00:29.55 | Thunder_Child | so much for the NDA |
| 00:30.14 | Gintaro | Amarande: get more hit |
| 00:30.16 | NeoTron | I don't hav an invite |
| 00:30.21 | NeoTron | I just noted it's starting |
| 00:30.29 | NeoTron | I can read mmo-champ too |
| 00:30.31 | A-KO | Zarhym stated it's starting |
| 00:30.32 | A-KO | so |
| 00:30.40 | Amarande | Gintaro: okay, where do you get hit rating at level 18 'sactly :D |
| 00:30.40 | NeoTron | that too |
| 00:30.50 | Gintaro | heirlooms |
| 00:31.34 | Amarande | Gintaro: ugh, don't tell me it's true that the game is no longer balanced around using the gear you get as you level :| |
| 00:31.46 | Gintaro | Did you die? |
| 00:32.03 | NeoTron | Amarande: vencture co mobs were always horrible :P |
| 00:32.06 | Amarande | some time afterwards, due to again mobs running in fear and getting ads |
| 00:32.07 | NeoTron | especially in STV |
| 00:32.21 | Gintaro | Reroll druid and try again |
| 00:33.12 | Thrae | I hate it when Mobs Flee in Terror and come back with aides. Damn Mobs and their aides! We should wipe out all Mobs that run and bring back aides! |
| 00:33.24 | Amarande | heh I love how the solution to dying on <class> is "reroll <other class>" |
| 00:33.44 | NeoTron | Amarande: I thought it was "Lern 2 play noob" |
| 00:34.52 | Amarande | but yeah, did Blizzard rebalance the game on the assumption that people level with heirlooms now, or are heirlooms just that OP that people don't realize how hard it can be sometimes to level with normal gear :) |
| 00:35.40 | alestane | Heirlooms are not designed around the first-time player experience. |
| 00:35.45 | Thunder_Child | they are OP, but it is a reward for playing |
| 00:38.08 | Thrae | Are you guys talking about the achievements for getting "firsts" without using Heirlooms in Cata? |
| 00:38.20 | Nechckn | Uber ez mode, for those that complain about ez mode. ;-) |
| 00:38.24 | NeoTron | most likely heirlooms won't work in cata |
| 00:38.35 | NeoTron | until you pick up new level 85 ones |
| 00:39.01 | alestane | It's already been stated that heirlooms won't function past level 80, and that there are no current plans to release new ones. |
| 00:39.04 | Gintaro | well, as far as running mobs go, feral druids can fix that |
| 00:39.25 | Gintaro | And couldn't they just set the XP gain to 0%? |
| 00:39.36 | Gintaro | scale the stats but omit the xp bonus |
| 00:39.42 | WobWork | Thrae: Mining a node should aggro every node =P |
| 00:39.48 | Thrae | NeoTron: Nah I don't think so, there will just be better ones for 1-85 instead of the current 1-80. While the current 1-80 are good, they aren't THAT good. |
| 00:40.07 | Thrae | WobWork: WTF? You want Mineral Veins to start attacking players? |
| 00:40.31 | WobWork | It's cause you're like mining THEIR FRIEND |
| 00:40.36 | Thunder_Child | alestane: where? last thing i read stated they were unsure. |
| 00:40.50 | alestane | I could have sworn, anyway. |
| 00:41.13 | alestane | Might have been one of the twitter chats. |
| 00:41.14 | Amarande | yay, only one new ability at level 18 for rogue, and it's useless to me |
| 00:41.15 | Thrae | WobWork: Well, it does increase your aggro radius to mobs, which apparently were "saving" those veins for something else. Or just have irrational hatred of miners. |
| 00:41.33 | alestane | Or go, "Hey mister, this is a residential zone." |
| 00:41.40 | WobWork | "Goddamn miners, ruining the ecological balance" |
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| 00:42.30 | Thrae | "It's a player 8 levels higher than us! Quick, suicide at their feet to protest strip mining!" |
| 00:42.49 | Thrae | Seriously, this Eco-Terrorism needs to STOP. |
| 00:42.53 | WobWork | isn't that what most environmentalists do? =P |
| 00:43.18 | WobWork | "Lets chain ourselves to trees in front of people with chainsaws at least 10 ilvls above our armour!" |
| 00:44.01 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.10 | Gintaro | tree hippies should die |
| 00:44.22 | Thrae | Gintaro: They *are* dying in Cata! *sob* I loved that form. |
| 00:44.53 | Thrae | My long, flowing branches smokin' some Wild Growth. |
| 00:44.55 | WobWork | yeah, lack of perma tree form makes me sad |
| 00:45.14 | WobWork | now resto druids are just weird looking elves with big ears |
| 00:45.24 | Thrae | WobWork: I thought I gave some excellent suggestions but I fear they're not going to get the point of why all the QQ about Tree Form |
| 00:45.26 | WobWork | or awesome looking tauren, that didn't need treeform to look decent |
| 00:45.40 | Thrae | WobWork: Well, Worgens and Trolls too |
| 00:45.56 | Amarande | OMG |
| 00:46.02 | Amarande | when did they take out the quest requirement to get artisan first aid? |
| 00:46.03 | Amarande | Squee |
| 00:46.16 | Shirik | welp |
| 00:46.21 | A-KO | I'm not going to miss a permanent tree form at all |
| 00:46.23 | Shirik | bah, where's Kraps |
| 00:46.34 | WobWork | A-KO: You made a terrible tree, anyway =P |
| 00:46.36 | Cide | he's krapsing |
| 00:46.48 | Thrae | WobWork: See, to me, losing Tree Form is making the Druid lose a major mechanic without gaining another one in return. Both Spell DPS (Balance) and Healing use Mana so that's not unique. Druids are all about unique mechanics. |
| 00:47.09 | Thrae | WobWork: It'd be happy even if they just replaced it with an Eclipse-like meter, which is what I've been asking for. |
| 00:47.15 | Xyphoid | but at least you get a form where you can see your gear |
| 00:47.17 | Amarande | Hey, healing druids uniquely use the basic normal humanoid form! :) |
| 00:47.17 | A-KO | Thrae: The *only* thing Tree form did was helped the druids match their healing with other healers--that's it. Nothing else. |
| 00:47.29 | A-KO | I invite a better, more useful tree form |
| 00:47.31 | A-KO | even if it's on a CD |
| 00:47.33 | Amarande | Tanks use bear, Melee DPS uses cat, Spell DPS uses moonkin and HEALING USES HUMANOID! :D |
| 00:47.46 | Thrae | Amarande: It's not about forms |
| 00:47.47 | WobWork | or failkin form |
| 00:47.48 | A-KO | A temporary form means we get more powerful and unique spells |
| 00:47.58 | Xyphoid | i didn't think treeform was a particularly interesting mechanic - i mean, when it snared you and you couldn't decurse etc it was interesting |
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| 00:48.03 | Cidwel | hi all |
| 00:48.05 | alestane | Given that druids didn't otherwise use humanoid form, pretty much ever, I'm not sure a see a problem there. |
| 00:48.06 | A-KO | yeah, tree form kinda sucked |
| 00:48.14 | A-KO | yep alestane, I won't miss it |
| 00:48.20 | A-KO | I look forward to being able to see my armor in raids |
| 00:49.10 | Thrae | A-KO: Right now they're making it sound like it'll be more like an "OhShit" button then something you regularly use. I could see a different Tree Form on a 1 minute or 2 minute cooldown, but if you go 3, 4, 5 you start getting into "OhShit" territory. |
| 00:49.12 | Gintaro | But think of the trolling trees in Dalaran! |
| 00:49.34 | Gintaro | And what of the apple vendor?! |
| 00:49.38 | Cidwel | so strange, if I call UnitIsConnected it returns nil values to connected people ¿Has someone got this bug too? |
| 00:49.42 | Gintaro | of fruit vendor |
| 00:49.49 | Thrae | Gintaro: That's an Ent ;) |
| 00:49.57 | alestane | Was that a druid or a treant? |
| 00:50.13 | Thrae | A Druid can't sell Fruit in Tree Form, it's one of our current restrictions |
| 00:51.10 | Thrae | Cidwel: I think it'll return nil if it can't detect whether they're connected or not |
| 00:51.54 | Cidwel | mm so there's some conditions that could return nil... |
| 00:52.22 | WobWork | well, the OhShitItsAnAncient button will be cool |
| 00:52.31 | WobWork | if terrible on the fps and line of sight |
| 00:52.46 | Thrae | Cidwel: Look at Wowwiki.com first. It's under "WoW API" with no stub (they really should have stubs for these). Anyway, 'UnitIsConnected("unit") - Returns 1 if the specified unit is connected or npc, nil if offline or not a valid unit.' |
| 00:53.25 | Thrae | Cidwel: Might want to throw in a UnitExists(unit) first |
| 00:53.58 | Cidwel | obviously it exists, I can whisper them even if IsConnected throws nil |
| 00:54.12 | Thrae | Cidwel: Is this cross-server? |
| 00:54.34 | Cidwel | nope |
| 00:54.36 | Cidwel | ..derp |
| 00:54.45 | Thrae | derp? |
| 00:55.09 | WobWork | either he figured out what was wrong |
| 00:55.13 | WobWork | or he's calling you a derp =) |
| 00:55.53 | Cidwel | my fail |
| 00:56.08 | Cidwel | ..but it doesn't seem to work |
| 00:56.32 | Thrae | OK, so you had some typo or logic or syntax error but it still doesn't work? |
| 00:56.33 | Cidwel | that player is now dueling in durotar |
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| 00:57.08 | Thrae | Note that usually we check "not UnitIsConnected(unit)", what would you check "UnitIsConnected(unit)" for? |
| 00:58.25 | Cidwel | I want to add a point to a attendance value set in the officer note only if that player is online when I award the points |
| 00:58.38 | alestane | "His father is presently fishing in Darkshore." |
| 00:58.59 | Thrae | Cidwel: guild-only? |
| 00:59.44 | Shirik | yay, the May Wikidrama has occurred |
| 00:59.51 | Shirik | now the rest of the month will be peaceful |
| 00:59.57 | Cidwel | yup |
| 01:00.16 | Cidwel | first I check if that player is in my guild, then I check if he's online |
| 01:01.08 | Cidwel | I've tested a simple print(UnitIsConnected("playername") but it throws nil to me even if he is in durotar |
| 01:01.32 | WobWork | that will only work if he's in your party/raid |
| 01:01.40 | Cidwel | I've insured he's dueling right now |
| 01:01.42 | WobWork | the "playername" unitid |
| 01:01.48 | Cidwel | whooops!!!!! |
| 01:01.56 | WobWork | I think |
| 01:02.03 | Cidwel | it should be probably! |
| 01:02.26 | Cidwel | I'm going to read unitID right now |
| 01:02.34 | WobWork | if he's in your guild you can get the guild info about his connectedness |
| 01:02.41 | Thrae | Cidwel: You want to iterate over GetGuildRosterInfo() for 1, GetNumGuildMembers() |
| 01:02.41 | alestane | Now, that may not be a problem if you're awarding points to people for being in a raid, because then you *should* be in the same group. |
| 01:03.00 | Thrae | !api GetGuildRosterInfo |
| 01:03.00 | lua_bot | GetGuildRosterInfo: Returns information about the selected player in your guild roster. (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetGuildRosterInfo) |
| 01:03.32 | Cidwel | alestane umm |
| 01:03.39 | Cidwel | it's more advanced |
| 01:04.11 | Thrae | Cidwel: Do GuildRoster() first to make sure you've got updated info. |
| 01:04.20 | Cidwel | the addon checks if the player doesn't entered to the raid because the party was full but awards him with a compensation attendance point |
| 01:04.33 | Cidwel | but it should only add this point if he's online when I disband the raid |
| 01:04.40 | alestane | Then yes, you need more advanced detection. |
| 01:05.21 | Thrae | Cidwel: If he's not in a party or raid with you, and he's not your target or focus, UnitIsConnected won't work. |
| 01:05.45 | Cidwel | wobwork told me that, so now I know what's breaking it |
| 01:06.00 | Cidwel | I'll try to get a simple getraidrosterinfo to check if he's connected |
| 01:06.07 | Thrae | I'm re-clarifying :D |
| 01:06.29 | Cidwel | many thanks :D |
| 01:06.52 | Thrae | Cidwel: If you know how to setup events it's much cleaner to respond to the GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE after a GuildRoster() call to make sure you have the most up-to-date information. |
| 01:08.13 | Thrae | WoW likes to prioritize some client requests further down the line, like guild updates, which is why it's an event |
| 01:08.13 | Cidwel | II will be careful with that |
| 01:09.21 | Thrae | Since what GuildRoster() does is cache ALL the current information about the guild for the various functions that use it |
| 01:09.30 | Thrae | That's a lot more than UnitName(unit) :D |
| 01:09.51 | Thrae | WoW has always tried to be dial-up friendly |
| 01:10.49 | Cidwel | I understand that it is a matter of reducing latency |
| 01:11.01 | Cidwel | I will then trigger a guildroster |
| 01:11.19 | Thrae | Cidwel: Actually it's not. It's a matter of reducing bandwidth. |
| 01:11.32 | Cidwel | whop that |
| 01:12.33 | Thrae | Cidwel: The size of the packets sent back and forthe. The smaller your pipe, the smaller the packets should be, partially for insuring good latency and partially not to hit any limits. |
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| 01:53.01 | Cidwel | yay! I made it! |
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| 02:00.07 | Thrae | WobWork: BTW, get my message about DontDazeMeBro? |
| 02:00.19 | WobWork | did you release it? |
| 02:00.45 | Thrae | WobWork: Yep, now 1.1. I put in a whisper-the-same-person-only-once rule (broken in 1.0). |
| 02:01.03 | WobWork | awesome =) |
| 02:01.24 | Thrae | WobWork: Paladins are still mad at me. Screw them for having Crusader Aura up in the middle of WG. |
| 02:01.34 | Thrae | I mean they might be mounted, but I'm not |
| 02:03.05 | Thrae | [Paladin] whispers you, "Turn off that retarded mod." | You whisper [Paladin], "Turn off that retarded Crusader Aura. We're at the final push in the courtyard, dammit." |
| 02:04.41 | DWSR | WobWork: You should make a check to see if you don't have at least x other auras, x being 3 or the number of paladins in the raid, whichever is lower. |
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| 02:04.57 | Thrae | DWSR: Wrong guy. |
| 02:05.06 | DWSR | Oh, heh |
| 02:05.11 | DWSR | Conversation thread fail. |
| 02:06.04 | DWSR | thrae: You should, anyway. |
| 02:06.06 | Thrae | DWSR: It only checks in PvP, BGs, and Arenas. While there *might* be enough Pallies available to get all auras, everyone's moving around so much you get out of range often enough it shouldn't matter. |
| 02:06.53 | DWSR | I think Crusader Aura's a bit questionable. |
| 02:06.56 | Xyphoid | so a paladin rides past with crusader aura on, and you're on foot |
| 02:06.59 | DWSR | What if they're just running in from dying. |
| 02:07.02 | Xyphoid | and you autowhisper them? |
| 02:07.09 | Thrae | DWSR: For the benefit of the PvP Raid, a Pally should always have some beneficial aura up just in case the other Paladins (if they exist) move out of range. |
| 02:07.28 | DWSR | Thrae: Sure, but a paladin using Crusader to get back to the battle faster is perfectly fine. |
| 02:07.36 | DWSR | Your mod would lead to many false positives. |
| 02:07.48 | Thrae | Xyphoid: No, that would be stupid. It's only if the player is in combat, not mounted, and 10 seconds have passed without the Aura being lifted. |
| 02:08.39 | Thrae | If it gets to 30 seconds, then it tattles to the whole Raid. |
| 02:08.57 | Thrae | Aspect of the Pack, hence "DontDazeMeBro", is far less forgiving in time. |
| 02:09.22 | Thrae | And to my defense, it ends with "Thanks :)" |
| 02:09.22 | A-KO | sighs |
| 02:10.14 | A-KO | so has anyone in here gotten into the alpha? |
| 02:10.33 | Thrae | A-KO: You're asking if anyone here is a Friend or Family member of a Blizzard employee? |
| 02:10.42 | A-KO | yes? |
| 02:10.52 | A-KO | and no, I'm not asking for an invite, heh. |
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| 02:10.57 | Thrae | That's not something a sane person would reveal ;) |
| 02:11.06 | A-KO | why wouldn't they? |
| 02:11.18 | Thrae | Also, NDA probably prohibits it too. |
| 02:11.37 | A-KO | I doubt NDA prohibits you from saying you're a part of it |
| 02:11.42 | A-KO | we'll find out though |
| 02:12.00 | Thrae | I've been under plenty of NDAs where I couldn't say I was part of anything specific... |
| 02:12.18 | A-KO | it's wow |
| 02:12.21 | A-KO | everyone knows it's in alpha |
| 02:12.42 | Thrae | The NDA is for the protection of the information the person may know and for the protection of the person themselves. |
| 02:13.07 | Thrae | The TMZ of the Game Industry would be on anyone who can say they're in the Alpha like they're rabid squirrels. |
| 02:13.25 | NightHawkTheSane | is there somewhere in dal you can buy the t-10 pieces? >.> |
| 02:13.53 | NightHawkTheSane | n/m, found it |
| 02:14.16 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: Yes, two places -- the Frost Quartermaster has some T10 but non-set pieces only, and the Merchant for your Armor Type has your PvE T10. |
| 02:16.35 | Thrae | Also, note that WOW has always had a "hands-off" approach to Community Management / PR, which was quite infuriating as I came from DAoC (where they were pretty damn talkative). They've increased their correpondence back to the public over the years but still it's rather dont-ask-dont-tell compared to other MMO communities. |
| 02:17.17 | Thrae | It's extremely annoying, but at the same time works very well in politics across the world, so why not for a game company? |
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| 02:24.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: i specifically meant the actual tier pieces, and did find the vendor, but thanks :) |
| 02:25.13 | Danny-xh5ij2 | CCP is also /very/ talkative with the dev blogs. I love the openness of it. |
| 02:26.04 | Danny-xh5ij2 | the transparency, particularly when they talk about hey-that-bug-that-killed-the-servers-for-24hours, well this is what happened... etc |
| 02:27.16 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: Which was what I said for #2 ;) |
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| 02:30.19 | Amarande | gaj |
| 02:30.25 | Amarande | why are people from mal'ganis such douches |
| 02:31.17 | Amarande | I win the roll on some leather gloves and the hunter calls me a f-a-g-g-o-t |
| 02:33.54 | Lunessa | Amarande: I think you can leave out the server name and just ask why people are just douches. |
| 02:34.28 | Amarande | Lunessa: Yeah, but they seem to be a lot more common from Mal'Ganis than the rest of the battlegroup |
| 02:35.24 | kd3 | grr |
| 02:35.32 | kd3 | stop going down, modem |
| 02:35.40 | Danny-xh5ij2 | Perhaps Mal'Ganis is a bigger server, or their high-pop time coincides with your playtime |
| 02:36.02 | Adys | Danny-xh5ij2: have you considered the possibility the douches might be right |
| 02:36.36 | Amarande | Wonder if it's because Mal'Ganis is a high pop PvP server. |
| 02:36.43 | Amarande | Must make people jaded to be on such a server |
| 02:37.44 | Amarande | Adys: okay, so whining and calling people sex slurs because you lost a loot roll is 'right'? :) |
| 02:37.51 | Adys | Im teasing you |
| 02:37.59 | Amarande | heh |
| 02:38.06 | Amarande | these guys also do douchey things like rolling need on mats |
| 02:38.16 | Amarande | far as I know, it's accepted protocol that mats are greeded, at least it always was on Turalyon |
| 02:38.36 | Xyphoid | the problem with protocols like that is that they're unstable |
| 02:38.41 | Amarande | though who knows |
| 02:38.51 | Amarande | mal'ganis might be so crowded and so pvp that you need to be level 80 with 900 resil just to mine copper |
| 02:38.56 | Amarande | since the mats concerned were gems |
| 02:39.02 | Amarande | that most of us prospect from copper :) |
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| 02:43.30 | Jamash | I wonder how difficult it will be to get into the cata beta |
| 02:43.58 | Adys | my bet is, not difficult at all |
| 02:44.01 | Jamash | this is the first wow beta that I don't have a blizzcon code for |
| 02:45.20 | Jamash | if it's anything like SC2, yeah, not difficult |
| 02:45.32 | Jamash | seem to be giving those out like candy |
| 02:49.05 | Cide | Shadowed: you're bad |
| 02:50.33 | Kraps | so Bibi any news yet? |
| 02:50.34 | Amarande | hm, where to next |
| 02:50.42 | Amarande | zeb'nowa and deatholme. *sigh* |
| 02:50.59 | Amarande | LFG |
| 02:52.03 | Jamash | I'll help if you're on kil'jaeden-us |
| 02:53.36 | Amarande | You receive loot: "pickled ... murloc ... head." Eww. |
| 02:53.38 | Amarande | Nasty. |
| 02:54.32 | Jamash | what realm are you on, out of curiosity? |
| 02:54.42 | Amarande | Turalyon |
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| 02:59.18 | cogwheel | Fisker: |
| 03:01.50 | NightHawkTheSane | does someone want to come clean my apartment? :( |
| 03:02.42 | NightHawkTheSane | not-entirely-unrelated aside: there is one advantage to drinking hard liquor over beer: you often end up with far less bottles scattered about your apartment |
| 03:05.45 | Amarande | Night, why do I now get this image of you as an old curmudgeon sitting in his chair with a bottle of whiskey and old westerns? |
| 03:07.40 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: If you pay for airfare, sure |
| 03:08.11 | WobWork | Amarande: "Here's to us!" "Who's like us?" "Daaaamn few!" "And they're aaaaaaallll dead!" |
| 03:09.12 | Kraps | gsh one-shots! |
| 03:09.51 | Amarande | or what's the other one? "We raise up our glasses against evil forces ... Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses!" |
| 03:10.44 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Hard liquor = $20/bottle, get hammered 3-4 times. Beer = $10/6 bottles/cans and doesn't get you hammered. Also, you end up having to pee more. |
| 03:10.48 | Amarande | dammit, where are my guildies when I actually have a group quest |
| 03:11.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont like westerns. whiskey is okay, but i prefer vodka & grapefruit juice, or a white russian |
| 03:11.08 | Amarande | at least I only have 31 minutes till I can learn a new minor glyph. :) |
| 03:11.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: indeed :) |
| 03:11.49 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, raspberry vodka & lemongrass soda is rather tasty too |
| 03:11.50 | Lunessa | Beer is rented, not owned, and the lease is very short term. |
| 03:12.02 | NightHawkTheSane | there are so many delicious beers, though |
| 03:12.07 | Kraps | Lunessa has experience in these matters |
| 03:12.27 | Lunessa | This is also true, but if one's desire in intoxication, liquor is the way to go. |
| 03:13.01 | Kraps | "Candy is dandy but liqueur is quicker" |
| 03:13.06 | Lunessa | I should amend that to include the word "legal" prior to intoxication. |
| 03:13.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: right now, my desire is to not have to cart 5 6-packs, and 5-6 large 1.5pt bottles downstairs :( |
| 03:13.40 | Lunessa | inb4 "chronic" comments. |
| 03:14.01 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: The best way to clean up after a night's hard drinking? Move. |
| 03:14.03 | NightHawkTheSane | did have a fun saturday, though |
| 03:14.25 | NightHawkTheSane | thats good advice :P |
| 03:14.32 | Lunessa | Though my favorite is "check out of the hotel." |
| 03:15.02 | Amarande | wow, is Kel'gash getting wimpy in his old age? |
| 03:15.14 | Amarande | I was sure he wasn't soloable as a rogue :S |
| 03:20.32 | Shadowed | Cide what |
| 03:22.45 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: Your desire can easily be linked to the next one: "Let's build a fort!" |
| 03:23.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh! beer bottle fort! |
| 03:25.11 | WobWork | It's no longer 'A mess' it's 'Modern Art'! |
| 03:28.12 | WobWork | Oh, Happy Star Wars Day, everyone |
| 03:30.40 | Cairenn | May the 4th be with you! |
| 03:31.43 | cybermind | wow |
| 03:31.51 | cybermind | horrible pun, aint gonna lie |
| 03:31.58 | cybermind | clever, but horrible |
| 03:32.08 | Cairenn | It's a pun - by definition it's horrible |
| 03:32.11 | NightHawkTheSane | it really skirts that clever line |
| 03:32.40 | Amarande | yay, level 20, poison time! :D |
| 03:32.46 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn :) |
| 03:32.51 | Cairenn | Hi Amarande |
| 03:33.00 | Cide | Shadowed: nothing |
| 03:33.44 | Amarande | no more MOBS RUNNING IN FEAR TOO QUICKLY :D |
| 03:34.52 | NightHawkTheSane | tomato soup & grilled cheese, hot dogs, or cereal for dinner..? |
| 03:35.04 | Amarande | roguing becomes intensely more fun when you ding 20 |
| 03:36.33 | cybermind | what spec are you going while leveling |
| 03:37.51 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:38.03 | Shirik | Colbert is trying to claim salt isn't killing people, this evil drug called "NaCl" is |
| 03:38.52 | cogwheel | Dihydrogen Monoxide is worse |
| 03:38.59 | Shirik | agree |
| 03:41.11 | cogwheel | speaking of the power of dho, http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2010/04/20/new-age-terrorists-develop-homeopathic-bomb/ |
| 03:44.04 | sylvanaar | dihydrogen monoxide |
| 03:44.13 | sylvanaar | you guys |
| 03:44.26 | sylvanaar | i have the prescription strength |
| 03:44.40 | sylvanaar | works wonders |
| 03:45.20 | Shirik | even the over-the-counter strength can kill |
| 03:45.20 | Adys | Things that really, really suck |
| 03:45.24 | Adys | - Mosquitoes |
| 03:45.26 | Adys | - Vacuums |
| 03:45.27 | Shirik | - Vacuums |
| 03:45.29 | Zyn | H2O bomb, oh snap |
| 03:45.32 | Adys | - Blizzard's Wotlk installer |
| 03:45.35 | Adys | Shirik: you got owned |
| 03:45.39 | Shirik | fu |
| 03:45.41 | sylvanaar | "Take with water" |
| 03:45.45 | Adys | ~failrik |
| 03:45.46 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:45.56 | sylvanaar | i cant sleep |
| 03:46.39 | sylvanaar | i suppose i could play wow |
| 03:46.44 | sylvanaar | that would do it |
| 03:47.13 | Adys | it's at 2.8GB / 2.6 GB |
| 03:47.16 | Adys | has been for the past 10 mins |
| 03:47.17 | Adys | ... |
| 03:49.10 | Shirik | 2.8/2.6? |
| 03:50.32 | WobWork | Adys is a bit of an overachiever |
| 03:50.32 | Adys | Shirik: yep |
| 03:51.02 | Adys | and it's updating files one by one at a slooooooowwwwww speed |
| 03:51.14 | Adys | im waiting for it to complete download because i dont want to restart it |
| 03:51.27 | Adys | if i do, it might begin download from scratch like last time |
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| 04:22.57 | Shirik | hahahahaha |
| 04:22.59 | Shirik | http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,690402,00.html |
| 04:23.01 | Shirik | it's so true |
| 04:26.09 | Kraps | Shirik: /facepalm |
| 04:26.12 | Shirik | OH |
| 04:26.12 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 04:26.15 | Shirik | you missed it |
| 04:26.31 | Shirik | the May dramaz has occurred |
| 04:26.45 | Kraps | ? |
| 04:27.02 | Shirik | Admin A is being a dick to others. Admin B blocks admin A. Admin A decides to unblock himself and retaliate by blocking admin B |
| 04:27.14 | Kraps | looooooooooooool |
| 04:27.15 | Shirik | And I'm sitting back watching the whole thing like "This won't end well...." |
| 04:27.54 | Shirik | Admin B was smart and didn't unblock himself (another admin unblocked him) and now admin A is desysopped pending arbcom |
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| 04:28.00 | Seerah | lol |
| 04:28.13 | Kraps | pwnd |
| 04:28.26 | Shirik | I almost got involved, but figured it might not be a good idea in my first 48 hours |
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| 04:28.57 | Shirik | You may know him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tanthalas39 |
| 04:29.39 | Kraps | oh its the thing from earlier |
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| 04:29.55 | Shadowed | wikipedia sounds like a high school |
| 04:29.59 | Shadowed | in internet form |
| 04:30.02 | Shirik | Shadowed: It can be sometimes |
| 04:30.05 | Shirik | Usually it's not this bad |
| 04:30.12 | Shirik | something like this happens once in a while |
| 04:31.07 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MZMcBride is in there |
| 04:31.24 | Shirik | yeah |
| 04:31.45 | Shirik | not surprising tbh |
| 04:33.33 | Kraps | looooooooool |
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| 04:34.22 | Kraps | http://pastey.net/136103 |
| 04:34.43 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 04:34.49 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
| 04:35.33 | Sargeras | ello puppet |
| 04:35.35 | Sargeras | =D |
| 04:35.56 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:36.02 | Cairenn | How are you doing? |
| 04:36.35 | Sargeras | doing alright, finally got trillian reinstalled |
| 04:36.36 | Sargeras | you? |
| 04:36.46 | Cairenn | Another lovely day in paradise |
| 04:36.56 | Sargeras | gave april my old computer, so I had to migrate alot of stuff to this comp |
| 04:37.57 | Cairenn | nod |
| 04:38.24 | Amarande | protip apparently ... don't blindly trust quest levels :| |
| 04:38.36 | Amarande | I picked up Mission Possible but Not Probable and got my ass handed to me by a pair of level 25's |
| 04:38.39 | Amarande | even though it's a level 20 quest :P |
| 04:38.48 | Amarande | Fail. |
| 04:39.10 | Lunessa | That the rogue poison quest? |
| 04:39.27 | Amarande | Yeah |
| 04:39.38 | Amarande | I'll probably just come back later, since the only thing of note you get from it anymore is the Thistle Tea recipe |
| 04:39.43 | Amarande | and I don't even have 60 cooking yet |
| 04:39.50 | Lunessa | You're supposed to out-think, out-stealth, and use the items - not fight shit. |
| 04:40.13 | Amarande | hmm, there's at least seven mobs it says you need to kill :) |
| 04:40.41 | Lunessa | I remember doing it a few times on lowbie alts. I never really had a problem with it. |
| 04:41.05 | Xyphoid | it's kind of a cheaty quest since the mobs are all set up to be vulnerable to a rogue ability |
| 04:41.10 | Xyphoid | that irritated me a lot too |
| 04:41.30 | Amarande | especially since I don't have a dagger handy |
| 04:41.36 | Amarande | and it seems like half the stuff Requires Daggers |
| 04:41.47 | Amarande | I'll have to come back after I kill Dar'Khan, since the quest reward for that includes a dagger |
| 04:41.56 | WobWork | damn you Corrodias |
| 04:42.02 | WobWork | every time I see one of your tweets |
| 04:42.05 | Corrodias | yes'm? |
| 04:42.06 | WobWork | I think it's mythbusters |
| 04:42.10 | Amarande | meanwhile, off to TB to turn in this quest from WC |
| 04:42.26 | Corrodias | i'm a vehicle of disappointment! :D This is the best day of my life. |
| 04:42.58 | Amarande | of course, who knows if I'll be back to this part of the Barrens before 25-30 anyway |
| 04:43.04 | Amarande | so I might just be able to kill things by then :) |
| 04:43.19 | Amarande | like I said, the recipe's the only good reason to even do it anymore |
| 04:43.23 | Amarande | and I don't have enough cooking for it yet :) |
| 04:44.20 | Amarande | Xyphoid: lemme guess, you were combat swords too and thus never thought there was a good reason to carry a dagger? :) |
| 04:44.46 | Xyphoid | yeah, i didn't expect mobs to be scripted to die instantly to ambush |
| 04:44.50 | Xyphoid | or whatever it was |
| 04:45.00 | Kraps | http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36288_Video-_Dutch_Marines_Board_Hijacked_Ship |
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| 04:47.06 | Sixen | Hai |
| 04:47.06 | Sargeras | salud |
| 04:48.44 | Nechckn | Kraps That is downright cool |
| 04:49.26 | Corrodias | dutch sounds hilarious |
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| 04:51.03 | Amarande | Xyphoid: also, were you a blood elf? |
| 04:51.09 | Xyphoid | yep |
| 04:51.48 | Amarande | yeah, even if you HAD a dagger, it was still bugged so the scripted weaknesses wouldn't work |
| 04:51.52 | Amarande | apparently that's a BE specific bug |
| 04:51.54 | Amarande | no one is really sure why :) |
| 04:52.18 | Kraps | NEED MOAR CATA NEWS |
| 04:52.40 | Xyphoid | i hear it's actually ceiling cata |
| 04:52.48 | Amarande | no, it's basement cata |
| 04:53.19 | digmouse|work | "core-of-the-earth" cata |
| 04:53.46 | Kraps | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictures-basement-cat-vs-ceiling-cat.jpg |
| 04:55.24 | Amarande | so a spammer is saying that gold is cheaper than ever |
| 04:55.48 | Amarande | you know what? yeah, it is ... especially after the buyer starts saving fifteen bucks a month after they get banned from wow for buying it :D |
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| 04:56.41 | Xyphoid | i need to find someone who wants to buy me a celestial pony for gold |
| 04:57.04 | Kraps | http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129161702717044850.jpg |
| 05:01.38 | Kraps | http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129155641336986279.jpg |
| 05:02.05 | Kraps | wtb gandalf replacing dumbledore |
| 05:02.10 | Kraps | the actors |
| 05:03.09 | Lunessa | Ian is a fine actor. |
| 05:03.20 | Amarande | hmm, you know what puzzles me about skills? |
| 05:03.24 | Amarande | it's puzzled me for a while actually |
| 05:03.38 | Amarande | why is it that some of the time you get told your skill raised before it says "You create:" or "You receive item:" |
| 05:03.41 | Amarande | and sometimes it says it after? |
| 05:03.48 | WobWork | events? |
| 05:04.01 | Lunessa | Because packet order is not assured? |
| 05:05.57 | Adys | Amarande: the server sends item creation/loot packets asynchronously |
| 05:06.24 | Adys | this is to prevent lagspikes when looting, completely freezing anything else |
| 05:06.28 | Adys | (yet it still sometimes happens) |
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| 05:07.11 | Adys | it also means depending on the delay, youll get the item packet after or before the skill packet if it's set to be sent before it |
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| 05:09.18 | Adys | thats it for The More You Know, tune in next week to learn about auction house internals |
| 05:09.22 | Adys | good night folks. |
| 05:09.46 | Cairenn | night Adys, sweet dreams |
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| 05:12.08 | Sargeras | there |
| 05:12.09 | Sargeras | finally |
| 05:12.32 | Sargeras | Trillian astra skins + Win7 x64 = do not get along |
| 05:12.58 | Lunessa | I'm not having a problem, but I'm using one of the default 'skins' |
| 05:13.12 | Sargeras | yeah I'm trying to use Avion |
| 05:13.45 | Cairenn | is Astra behaving yet? is it still in testing or has it gone RC? |
| 05:13.56 | Sargeras | RC |
| 05:14.04 | Cairenn | I should maybe check it out again |
| 05:14.12 | Lunessa | Hrm, not sure a 22 paladin can actually solo all of Ragefire. |
| 05:14.17 | Cairenn | it was being a real bitch when I was trying it during alpha/beta |
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| 05:16.40 | Amarande | Lunessa: it probably is indeed heavily class dependent |
| 05:16.44 | Amarande | I died in there at 30 on a priest |
| 05:16.59 | Amarande | of course, that was also back in the bad old days when there was unlimited pushback on spells |
| 05:17.00 | Xyphoid | there's a horde pally paladin quest item in there - it's definitely doable about that level |
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| 05:17.28 | Xyphoid | (er as opposed non-pally paladins i guess) |
| 05:18.40 | Amarande | you know, I still haven't started a pally yet on my current server |
| 05:18.42 | Amarande | I should at some point :) |
| 05:18.52 | Lunessa | I was doing ok, but pulls of > 3 mobs are bad. |
| 05:18.53 | Amarande | thinking if I want a BE or if I should wait till Cata for the alternative choice |
| 05:19.03 | Amarande | shaman will be waiting till Cata, so it can be my gob |
| 05:19.31 | Xyphoid | i'm hoping cata has a new character slot or two per server :/ |
| 05:20.02 | Amarande | eh, there's still only ten classes |
| 05:20.06 | Amarande | I figure one per class on a server is enough |
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| 05:20.34 | Xyphoid | it's an expansion that's all about reworking hte old world and providing new combinations for alts |
| 05:20.42 | Xyphoid | kind of sucky to have to delete chars for that |
| 05:21.50 | Amarande | well ... I'm happy with the race/class combinations there are, pretty much |
| 05:21.59 | Amarande | gonna be neat to play a gob though |
| 05:22.41 | Xyphoid | it's like, woohoo i want to try out this new stuff with my friends |
| 05:22.49 | Xyphoid | ... okay we'll go onto another server |
| 05:23.06 | Lunessa | I'm probably going to do a hunter and a new warrior. I know my NE Priestess will become a pink-haired gnome though. :) |
| 05:23.11 | Artimidorus121 | ok after searching and searching and looking at addons that do the same idea i would like to i still have yet to figure out how to do it but i have chosen my lang. lua is the one i would like to use. not xml now that said what command or series of commands would allow me to resize a frame and keep the background image the same size therefor cropping a side off the image |
| 05:25.11 | Lunessa | Artimidorus121: start here: http://home.blarg.net/~tyroney/wow/uitutorial/ |
| 05:25.39 | Amarande | Lunessa: if you're ever on my battlegroup, I will take pleasure in squishing her then. :) |
| 05:25.42 | Adys | hahah Im a fucking genius. |
| 05:25.43 | Artimidorus121 | thats where i started but it resizes the image |
| 05:25.45 | Amarande | Nothing personal, purely a gnome thing. :D |
| 05:26.05 | Adys | Lying in bed for fifteen minutes and I suddenly wake up in an immense "DOH!" |
| 05:26.14 | Adys | Killed sshfs, the wotlk installer works again. |
| 05:26.20 | Adys | ~sshfs-- |
| 05:26.22 | Lunessa | Amarande: If you're ever in my Battlegroup, you'll probably craush me in PvP. I suck at it. |
| 05:28.35 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcEG_JoVuo |
| 05:29.18 | Amarande | hmm, time to wait for the guildie to get out of EoE so I can kill Dar'Khan ... |
| 05:30.37 | Amarande | Kel'gash was a not difficult solo, but somehow I think Dar'Khan is pushing it. :D |
| 05:31.01 | NightHawkTheSane | it's kind of sad how many good plot elements were mashed up into something completely terribad in Journey's End :( |
| 05:34.46 | Amarande | heh. what's weird is that you can have a noncombat pet out while stealthed, it's visible, but doesn't break your stealth :D |
| 05:34.56 | Amarande | should have named the rogue Isobel and got her a moth. :) |
| 05:36.14 | Kraps | DBM tells me it has an update but Minion isnt showing that |
| 05:37.00 | Amarande | oh, nice. poisons quest scales with level, unlike the other rogue quests so far |
| 05:37.04 | Amarande | don't have to worry of it going grey :D |
| 05:37.18 | Amarande | (one of my rogue quests went grey before I did it ... heh) |
| 05:39.07 | Amarande | it still seems weird that they want you to rely so much on ambush though |
| 05:39.14 | Amarande | did combat swords not used to be a popular or viable spec vs. sass daggers? |
| 05:39.39 | Thunder_Child | wants to buy an email |
| 05:39.47 | Amarande | (I'd say or sub daggers, but sub seems to be the black sheep of the rogue trees) |
| 05:40.25 | NightHawkTheSane | buy an email? |
| 05:40.56 | Lunessa | Amarande: Back in the day, they didn't really push low level rogues to do anything but stealth and stab. |
| 05:41.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: o_0 |
| 05:41.24 | Kraps | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw39123.jpg is nice |
| 05:41.26 | NightHawkTheSane | er, combat has generally always been the go-to leveling spec |
| 05:41.35 | Lunessa | And by back in the day I mean... retail release. |
| 05:41.38 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: yes, it is a specific one from blizzard |
| 05:42.57 | Lunessa | The one with an Alpha Code? |
| 05:43.08 | NightHawkTheSane | probably |
| 05:43.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd buy that one too |
| 05:43.20 | Thunder_Child | i'm not sure it is alpha actually |
| 05:43.34 | Thunder_Child | it used to be, but i heard things change |
| 05:44.01 | NightHawkTheSane | depending on what we're talking about, it probably is alpha |
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| 05:44.22 | Thunder_Child | i didnt get that impression, but i suppose its moot |
| 05:45.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm pretty sure i saw a post today that said it started today |
| 05:45.53 | Thunder_Child | it did |
| 05:47.19 | Lunessa | It did. I'd very much like to get an invite too. |
| 05:47.19 | Artimidorus121 | could someone give me and example of Texture:SetTexCoord(ULx, ULy, LLx, LLy, URx, URy, LRx, LRy) replaceing the ULx and all of them? |
| 05:47.38 | Artimidorus121 | trying to get and understaning of hat it should looklike |
| 05:48.23 | Thunder_Child | has anyone tried playiong kenken? |
| 05:48.44 | Thunder_Child | playing* |
| 05:48.52 | sylvanaar | jnwhiteh: when you are around ping me |
| 05:51.06 | Iriel | Artimidorus121: did you read the wowwiki page on it? |
| 05:51.42 | sylvanaar | now the real question. its 2am - do i take a shower and go to work, or try to make myself go back to sleep |
| 05:52.11 | Lunessa | sylvanaar: The answer is "Neither - watch a movie" |
| 05:52.31 | sylvanaar | Lunessa: yeah, i started doing that |
| 05:52.44 | Lunessa | FLAWLESS VICTORY! |
| 05:59.35 | Kraps | http://gold-seven.deviantart.com/art/Harry-Potter-Marauders-4491139 woot for the 70s |
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| 06:06.13 | Artimidorus121 | iriel yes i did read it and it only has an example of the Texture:SetTexCoord(left, right, top, bottom) |
| 06:06.34 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
| 06:06.54 | Artimidorus121 | but i think i figured it out but now im having a different problem |
| 06:07.54 | Artimidorus121 | i set that but when it applies the color it colores the hole frame not just the image |
| 06:10.56 | Dashkal | Quick question since I lack the ram to fire up firefox. Feral: Massacre or Berserking? |
| 06:11.39 | Iriel | Artimidorus121: Have you tried using SetVertexColor instead of SetTexture(r,g,b) ? |
| 06:12.29 | Artimidorus121 | NO HADNT THOUGHT OF THAT |
| 06:12.34 | Artimidorus121 | sorry about caps |
| 06:12.56 | Artimidorus121 | thank you once again lol |
| 06:14.00 | zenzio | "Let's not be too drastic with these inquiries. Apple might get mad and move all its manufacturing jobs to China or something." - lol |
| 06:14.57 | Amarande | looks at my now several years old 5.5gen iPod video |
| 06:15.00 | Amarande | "Assembled in China" |
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| 06:15.03 | Amarande | :) |
| 06:15.39 | ReAn | ff13 is so epic |
| 06:15.49 | Arrowmaster | DMR = win |
| 06:16.28 | ReAn | ? |
| 06:16.55 | dusky | ff13 was a waste of money :( |
| 06:17.19 | ReAn | noway |
| 06:19.11 | Arrowmaster | i havent even bought ff13 yet, i might get it when the price drops to half |
| 06:21.28 | ReAn | it was only $45 when i bought it |
| 06:21.52 | Arrowmaster | it should go lower than that |
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| 06:22.30 | Arrowmaster | unopened copies were being sold at retailers in japan for half the original price before it was even released internationally |
| 06:22.45 | Arrowmaster | thats how much the game sucked |
| 06:22.56 | ReAn | im loving it |
| 06:23.54 | Thunder_Child | good, dont let Arrowmaster suck all the fun out |
| 06:23.54 | batrick | http://blag.xkcd.com/ <-- great post on color results |
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| 06:25.08 | Jerub | So hear the cat alpha is out... |
| 06:25.58 | Iriel | ' |
| 06:25.58 | Iriel | ] |
| 06:26.02 | ReAn | cat? |
| 06:26.18 | Cairenn | Cataclysm |
| 06:26.31 | ReAn | ah |
| 06:26.34 | Cairenn | I hear CC more often than Cat,in ref to it |
| 06:26.36 | ReAn | yea, not surprized |
| 06:26.56 | WobWork | calls it Caty |
| 06:27.08 | ReAn | i woulda understood if 'cata' was used |
| 06:27.15 | Jerub | lol |
| 06:27.16 | Cairenn | nod |
| 06:27.34 | ReAn | WobWork: mrow? |
| 06:27.43 | Jerub | sigh, reading blue posts always makes me think that blizzard employees live in a different world to the rest of us. |
| 06:27.46 | Jerub | 'We don't want druids in Cataclysm to be tabbing through the raid throwing out random Rejuvs like many druids do now. Frankly, we don't think it's that fun and we know plenty of druids agree with us.' |
| 06:27.58 | Jerub | wait, what, "tab" while healing? |
| 06:28.14 | ReAn | whack a mole? |
| 06:28.42 | Jerub | no, i mean, who would use a tab in a raid. |
| 06:28.49 | Jerub | and can you even tab target friendlies? |
| 06:29.07 | ReAn | shit-tab |
| 06:29.13 | ReAn | er, shift |
| 06:29.29 | Jerub | i think you had it righ thte first tim |
| 06:29.58 | ReAn | possib ly |
| 06:30.16 | ReAn | hard to type while fighting shit in ff13 u.u |
| 06:30.32 | Jerub | you should get one of greg dean's arduinos. |
| 06:30.45 | ReAn | ? |
| 06:32.12 | Jerub | start here: http://reallifecomics.com/archive/100427.html |
| 06:32.15 | WobWork | 'a' 'a' 'a' 'a' 'a' 'a' |
| 06:33.19 | WobWork | fuchsia |
| 06:33.25 | WobWork | man I can't even spell that either =( |
| 06:34.01 | WobWork | forevermore it's going to be 'fuck-sia' |
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| 06:37.36 | Amarande | ahh, does FF13 use the real-time MMOish combat engine from 12? |
| 06:39.59 | Lunessa | All things FF revealed: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/4/14/ |
| 06:45.23 | haste | 1816 called, it want its winter back! |
| 06:50.38 | WobWork | http://screencast.com/t/ZGRmMGE5 =) |
| 06:53.12 | digmouse|work | uh how to print a table in the game? |
| 06:54.32 | Elkano | try /dump |
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| 06:57.04 | dusky | /run table.foreach(table_name, print) |
| 06:57.20 | dusky | or dump if you're a conformist. |
| 06:57.42 | haste | (do note that table.foreach is deprecated in 5.1) |
| 06:57.56 | dusky | I will note that. |
| 06:58.48 | Adys | !api factiongroup |
| 06:58.48 | lua_bot | UnitFactionGroup: Returns a unit's primary faction allegiance (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitFactionGroup) |
| 06:58.55 | haste | I still use it myself in the lua interepter |
| 06:59.10 | haste | so much easier to type than for k,v in next,tbl do print(k,v) end :p |
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| 07:05.14 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 07:05.15 | purl | ~pong |
| 07:05.49 | Thunder_Child | ~ding |
| 07:05.50 | purl | dong |
| 07:06.10 | industrial | ~schling |
| 07:06.17 | industrial | :( |
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| 07:07.01 | Thunder_Child | ~bling |
| 07:07.01 | purl | ok brutus, whatever you say dude |
| 07:07.08 | Thunder_Child | blinks |
| 07:07.10 | industrial | ~schling |
| 07:07.11 | purl | schlong |
| 07:07.15 | industrial | \o/ |
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| 07:24.02 | Adys | http://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/ |
| 07:24.04 | Adys | HAHAH |
| 07:24.09 | Adys | this is fantastic |
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| 07:44.40 | batrick | ur late Adys ! |
| 07:45.08 | zenzio | http://crazythingsparentssay.com/2010/05/01/crazy-parent-quotes-southern-chics/ |
| 07:45.11 | Adys | :( |
| 07:45.26 | batrick | =) |
| 07:47.54 | WobWork | zenzio: terribly old joke |
| 07:47.58 | WobWork | but I like the last comment |
| 07:48.01 | olafski | heh yeah |
| 07:48.35 | zenzio | WobWork: of course it's old, but it's still amusing coming from your grandfather |
| 07:49.29 | zenzio | we have about 90 out-of-context-so-they-sound-sexual quotes at work (just from things people have said in conversations here) |
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| 08:04.31 | olafski | http://www.macstories.net/ipad/world-of-warcraft/ ? :( |
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| 08:16.17 | zenzio | "There is absolutely nothing in the standard API that will let you do this. I can't image a bigger security hole than a mechanism for installing software without the users intervention/knowledge. If Apple did find such a hole they would plug it so fast it would cause physicist to question certain assumptions about the speed of light." |
| 08:27.36 | olafski | was that about gaikai? :o |
| 08:28.28 | zenzio | no, some guy on Stack Overflow wanted to know how to install applications without user intervention |
| 08:28.38 | olafski | ahh ok :) |
| 08:28.40 | zenzio | (on an iPhone) |
| 08:28.48 | olafski | how can you even consider that |
| 08:29.07 | tekkub | works great in chrome |
| 08:29.15 | olafski | it does? oO |
| 08:29.16 | tekkub | but on a phone, I dunno |
| 08:29.28 | zenzio | not just any phone, iPhone |
| 08:29.33 | tekkub | I have one app that checks for updates and refuses to work if there is a new version |
| 08:29.46 | tekkub | but it's also shittyily written all around |
| 08:29.53 | tekkub | yes, any phone :P |
| 08:30.04 | tekkub | I don't own an iPhone, and probably never will |
| 08:30.14 | Amarande | dammit. cats need to make less noise when jumping from high shelves :P |
| 08:30.33 | tekkub | might jump FROM silently |
| 08:30.50 | tekkub | it's TO that is sometimes met with "scratch scratch crash" |
| 08:31.08 | Amarande | also speaking of cats, it's time I visited TB and wiped my cat spec and replaced it with a balance one. |
| 08:31.12 | tekkub | although sometimes fuzz does enjoy bellyfloppingonto a human during his dismount |
| 08:31.47 | Amarande | because, mainly, being a cat makes me think of being a rogue, except you don't get dual wielding, nor pickpocket, nor pick lock, nor any of the fun array of abilities that make roguing actually fun |
| 08:31.59 | Amarande | basically, it makes me think of all the things that suck about being a rogue without the fun things. :) |
| 08:32.04 | tekkub | rogues are fun? |
| 08:32.10 | Amarande | tekkub: eventually. |
| 08:32.11 | tekkub | can I smoke some of that? |
| 08:32.16 | Amarande | 1-19 was hell, but once I hit 20 it started being fun |
| 08:32.50 | Amarande | once you get access to poison, so you can actually down enemies in a few hits |
| 08:33.01 | Amarande | plus crippling poison, so you can actually down fleeing humanoids *before* they get a buddy |
| 08:33.26 | Amarande | since adds that aren't pre-known and pre-prepared for are death for rogues :S |
| 08:33.31 | Amarande | at low levels anyway |
| 08:33.57 | Amarande | hence why zeb'nowa is such a pain in the ass, as I was observing earlier |
| 08:35.02 | Amarande | basically, I could give about forty million ways as to why zeb'nowa is a pain in the ass ... even for classes that can normally take a couple adds without too much trouble even at low levels |
| 08:36.03 | Amarande | 1) Zeb'Nowa mobs are fairly decent at seeing stealth. 2) Zeb'Nowa is quite densely populated (which makes it easy to get adds). 3) There are a fair number of pats there (which makes it easy to get adds). 4) Half the mobs are Hunters (and yes they have their damned pets, worse, those pets don't even despawn when you kill the hunter ...) |
| 08:37.03 | Amarande | 5) The ones that AREN'T hunters have a sheep like ability (which makes you wander around and makes it easy to get adds). 6) As if all these weren't bad enough, EVERY mob (except the hunters' kitties) flees on low HP (but high enough that classes like rogues with poor ranged capability often aren't able to take them down quickly enough while they are fleeing). |
| 08:37.09 | Amarande | Zeb'Nowa sucks. :) |
| 08:37.24 | Amarande | And yet it's better than the alternative at that level, so I tough it out anyway heh |
| 08:38.19 | Amarande | fortunately, I will only need to be seeing Ghostlands at the *most* two more times before Cata |
| 08:38.28 | Amarande | and probably never more than three more times at all |
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| 08:39.15 | Amarande | since I've already got seven characters, of which six are level 21+, and I won't be making my Shaman until I have a chance to make it a Goblin |
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| 08:39.45 | Amarande | no wait ... eight characters of which 7 are level 21+, I miscounted. :) |
| 08:40.49 | Fisker | blows up Amarande |
| 08:41.49 | Amarande | ow. |
| 08:42.34 | Amarande | Fisker: lemme guess, you play alliance, so you don't have to worry about the ghostlands :) |
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| 08:43.43 | Fisker | i wouldn't play alliance |
| 08:43.49 | Fisker | and what's wrong with ghostlands anyway? |
| 08:44.23 | harl | wuff |
| 08:45.27 | Amarande | Fisker: actually, it's pretty fun |
| 08:46.06 | Amarande | except for the windrunner spire and zeb'nowa, both of which I always have trouble with adds in |
| 08:46.12 | Amarande | zeb'nowa for the reasons noted above |
| 08:46.39 | Amarande | the problems in windrunner are simpler ... mainly, it's that all enemies assist link, and there's a combination of enemies that pat, and ranged enemies |
| 08:47.44 | Amarande | the latter of which are difficult (as most of the rear part is fairly open with few chances to block LoS) to move, so if they don't die fast enough the patting enemies join the party, often pulling third enemies with them |
| 08:48.42 | Amarande | most of my deaths in windrunner tend to go down that way, I'm fighting one of the banshees and then a deatholme guy pats by and gets pulled in, and is near enough to a 3rd enemy (often another banshee, and those bastards hit HARD) to make it join battle as well |
| 08:49.04 | Amarande | (and it's really high up, so unless you're at the right spot that you can fall into the water, escape choices aren't exactly there) |
| 08:50.04 | Amarande | and of course zeb'nowa is just evil add city like I went into detail about before. :) |
| 08:51.00 | Amarande | I could probably do better with BoA's, but since my only 80 is DPS, I'll probably get farther faster by just sucking it up than by waiting through the queues to get badges |
| 08:51.13 | Amarande | (WTB feature where you can queue your 80 for a heroic and then go play an alt. :D) |
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| 08:53.01 | Amarande | other than that, I hardly ever die in ghostlands unless I afk somewhere I shouldn't or try to take on the elite spider solo too soon |
| 08:53.15 | Amarande | or with some classes on the green elemental guy that you summon |
| 08:53.28 | zenzio | I never died in Ghostlands |
| 08:53.41 | zenzio | but then I was a 70 running around for the exploration |
| 08:53.44 | haste | I've died most places! |
| 08:53.47 | Amarande | zenzio: you never grabbed too many adds in Zeb'Nowa or Windrunner ... ahh. |
| 08:53.48 | haste | ... at 80 :( |
| 08:53.56 | haste | I'm also the king of AFK-ing tho' |
| 08:53.59 | Amarande | heh, I've died a few ignominious places at 80 |
| 08:54.01 | Amarande | mostly by falling, though |
| 08:54.13 | haste | I have like 50+ deaths from fatigue |
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| 08:54.20 | Amarande | oh, and then there was the infamous Titanium Node O'Doom once in Icecrown |
| 08:54.22 | haste | and 20+ from drowning :p |
| 08:54.41 | Amarande | As I recall, that one happened because I had recently reinstalled WoW, and thus my view distance was less than I was used to |
| 08:54.50 | Amarande | I see a titanium node on my tracker, and of course I swoop down to grab it |
| 08:55.03 | zenzio | my most embarrassing fall deaths have all been Karazhan-related. Many times jumping from the stone bridge to take the "shortcut"... once inside, jumping down from the curved "stair" after Curator after I had just been resurrected |
| 08:55.14 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 08:55.24 | Amarande | ... and only after I've landed, since I didn't see them from above (see view distance thing) and wasn't really expecting them to show up, do I notice I am then SURROUNDED BY UNDEAD GUYS |
| 08:55.24 | zenzio | "Tank Zenzio has died" *ress* "Tank Zenzio has died" "wtf?" |
| 08:55.43 | Fisker | why don't you transfer otravi to ravencrest and level it up? |
| 08:55.45 | Amarande | and then I got zerged, naturally. :) |
| 08:55.56 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 08:56.10 | haste | Fisker: otravi is already on RC |
| 08:56.12 | Amarande | lol the fun thing there was watching this Draenei, as I was rezzing, rush in for the very same ore node and die in the very same way :) |
| 08:56.24 | Fisker | i disagree haste |
| 08:56.38 | Amarande | (after that, I managed to drill my way through the mobs and get the titanium ... pity those are those icecrown mobs that don't drop anything though ...) |
| 08:56.47 | Wobin | http://pics.livejournal.com/beccaztr0n/pic/0001z3pq |
| 08:57.07 | Amarande | Soon after that I began to develop a thought that titanium nodes were cursed, since the next one I picked up was in Wintergrasp and I got ganked right after mining it :P |
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| 08:57.54 | Amarande | zenzio: probably my worst instance death was in Heroic Mechanar |
| 08:58.04 | Amarande | it was my first time in heroic Mechanar, and maybe my second time in Mech, period |
| 08:58.13 | Amarande | as you know, Capacitus on heroic has the Thaddius polarity thing |
| 08:58.27 | Wobin | yeah |
| 08:58.30 | Wobin | fun! |
| 08:58.39 | Amarande | well ... positive left, negative right. My first charge was positive, so I go left, I fail to note that you can, indeed, fall off the side of the staircase that direction |
| 08:58.53 | Wobin | It's awesome when the tank does that |
| 08:58.53 | Amarande | ... and proceed to move too far left and get eaten by the mobs off to the side :P |
| 08:59.14 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 08:59.16 | Wobin | wait, you were tanking him -on- the steps? |
| 08:59.16 | Fisker | how are you? |
| 08:59.23 | Wobin | Not too bad, Fisker, yourself? |
| 08:59.27 | Amarande | Wobin: no, I was dps that time |
| 08:59.36 | Wobin | Amarande, in general, I mean |
| 08:59.53 | Amarande | IIRC, the tank was at the bottom of the steps and the DPS and healer would move around on the steps |
| 08:59.54 | Fisker | i fail at sleeping |
| 09:00.12 | Wobin | Amarande, afaik, the standard tactic is to tank him on the -side- of the steps |
| 09:00.14 | Amarande | of course, now I avoid Mech like plague unless I get a full guild group |
| 09:00.23 | Wobin | one lot go a bit down the stairs, the other a bit up |
| 09:00.26 | Amarande | because someone always fucks up the key thing when doing it cross server :P |
| 09:00.40 | Wobin | and all the silly explosive add bombs sit at the bottom and don't affect you |
| 09:01.13 | Wobin | sorry, tank him -off- the side of the steps, so the tank is on the ledge, and the boss is on the floor beside the stairs |
| 09:01.33 | Amarande | last time I went to Mech via DF we ended up going to Shattered Halls to avoid a deserter debuff |
| 09:02.00 | zenzio | lol |
| 09:02.18 | Amarande | because some noob looted the second half of the key so we couldn't complete the instance |
| 09:02.43 | Wobin | no cross server trade on the key? |
| 09:02.45 | Wobin | failbliz |
| 09:02.45 | Amarande | and far as I know, the only way out of a stuffed up instance that doesn't involve accepting the 30 minute ban is to queue the party straight into a different instance and complete that |
| 09:02.47 | Amarande | Wobin: yeah. |
| 09:02.50 | Fisker | that's oooooooooold |
| 09:02.51 | Amarande | the Uldaman key is similarly fucked |
| 09:02.59 | Amarande | but at least Ironaya is not mandatory |
| 09:03.09 | Amarande | far as I can tell, you HAVE to open the cache of the legion to un-forcefield the elevator |
| 09:03.09 | olafski | you can trade the items nowadays |
| 09:03.17 | olafski | and no you don't |
| 09:03.40 | Amarande | olafski: when'd they fix that? |
| 09:03.54 | olafski | dunno.. one time I did uldaman and you couldn't trade it, next time I did it you could :P |
| 09:04.03 | Amarande | ah |
| 09:04.10 | Amarande | I haven't been back to Mech since so I don't know if that's been fixed too |
| 09:04.34 | Fisker | i hate mechanaar :( |
| 09:04.41 | Fisker | or hated |
| 09:04.55 | olafski | well I've skipped the cache of the legion regularly |
| 09:04.58 | Amarande | Fisker: too many memories of being omnomnomed by fire elementals during the sepethrea fight? |
| 09:05.02 | olafski | at least on normal.. dunno if it's different on HC |
| 09:05.20 | Amarande | I remember that used to happen to me in Mech on my warlock |
| 09:05.33 | Amarande | and to make it more of a pain in the ass the damn things were immune to banish |
| 09:05.35 | Fisker | Well more like the last boss being a bitch :P |
| 09:05.43 | Fisker | but the second boss was annoying as well |
| 09:05.45 | Amarande | oh yeah. pathaleon can get nasty |
| 09:05.50 | Amarande | especially if you have a rogue :) |
| 09:06.11 | Amarande | I seem to remember that H-Mech run took forever to finish |
| 09:06.16 | Amarande | because MC always hit either the healer (and down we went) |
| 09:06.24 | Amarande | or the rogue (who would proceed to OMNOMNOM the healer and down we went) |
| 09:06.43 | Amarande | there was like 1, maybe 2 people who could get MC'd without wiping us :S |
| 09:07.08 | Amarande | now I understand why they wanted people to be in tier epics to do BC heroics, some of them are just mean :) |
| 09:08.08 | Amarande | there was that run, and then there was the "we don't care that much about gear" heroic slave pens run that took four hours :) |
| 09:08.33 | Amarande | we just couldn't catch a break, heh |
| 09:09.20 | olafski | meh the first stratholme runs I did were 1.5 hours too and that was with 10 people ;) |
| 09:09.37 | olafski | maybe 1 hour.. dunno, quite long |
| 09:09.45 | olafski | had to plan about 2 hours for an UBRS run |
| 09:10.51 | Amarande | olafski: wasn't it also infamously something like 4 hours for Maraudon and a whopping nine for BRD? |
| 09:11.06 | olafski | hm maraudon wasn't that long imo |
| 09:11.14 | olafski | since it's split into 3 parts anyway, pretty much |
| 09:11.19 | Amarande | or was the 9 hours for BRD thing actually the total to get all the quests done (which takes three or four runs, if you don't exit the instance to turn in quests mid-run) |
| 09:11.21 | olafski | but BRD used to take quite long |
| 09:11.39 | olafski | I only killed the emperor once in vanilla |
| 09:11.48 | olafski | now with the LFD tool it took more like 45 minutes or so |
| 09:11.50 | Amarande | since at least with horde, IIRC you have to get the one quest for the first set of dark irons |
| 09:11.54 | olafski | and at lvl 54, not 60 :P |
| 09:12.09 | Amarande | do it, go turn it in, then you get a quest for more dark irons, then you have to do that and turn it in and IIRC there was a quest either for emperor or yet more dark irons after you turned that one in |
| 09:12.18 | Amarande | plus the trek out to azshara for the giant silver veins for the succubus' quest |
| 09:12.28 | olafski | and ungoro :) |
| 09:12.32 | olafski | .. iirc |
| 09:12.36 | Amarande | oh yeah, that too |
| 09:12.43 | olafski | ah yeah http://www.wowhead.com/quest=4201 |
| 09:13.01 | Amarande | but yeah, if I remember, it takes three or four trips into BRD to do all the quests |
| 09:13.06 | Amarande | which may be why they say it takes nine hours |
| 09:13.13 | Amarande | or took that, anyway, back in the day |
| 09:13.39 | Amarande | you know what the biggest slap in the pants was about that |
| 09:13.43 | Amarande | a few days AFTER I do all this |
| 09:13.49 | Amarande | THEN I get direbrew's remote on my 80 |
| 09:13.50 | Amarande | :P |
| 09:13.57 | olafski | ^^ |
| 09:14.08 | Amarande | oh well, at least it still serves some use |
| 09:14.18 | Amarande | Alvaerin is a miner, so it can be used to make trips to smelt dark iron |
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| 09:14.30 | Amarande | which was useful at one point |
| 09:14.38 | olafski | the always useful dark iron ;) |
| 09:14.50 | Amarande | because in particular, the Dark Iron Bomb engineers can produce doesn't require the black anvil, and is stupid powerful when you can first get it |
| 09:15.47 | Amarande | ('course, pretty much *all* the engineering gizmos tend to be stupidly OP if you can get them right at the minimum level for that tier of Eng) |
| 09:16.26 | Amarande | except for ones with level restraints like the dragonlings, and even they are pretty powerful |
| 09:16.32 | Amarande | now if I could get my hunter his arcanite dragonling ... |
| 09:16.43 | Amarande | but I see a lot of greater arcane protection potion recipes in my future instead :P |
| 09:17.16 | Wobin | http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/100486196/2208372 |
| 09:17.17 | Amarande | There are three recipes of note that Cobalt Mageweavers can drop, basically. |
| 09:17.20 | Wobin | I <3 Pooch |
| 09:17.29 | Amarande | Robe of Winter Night (BoP recipe, and besides, my tailor already has this) |
| 09:17.50 | Amarande | Greater Arcane Protection Potion (I already have a copy of the recipe squirreled away for my Alchemist) |
| 09:17.54 | Amarande | and Arcanite Dragonling. |
| 09:18.06 | Amarande | The first drops monotonously often, the second pretty often, and the third ... like never. :( |
| 09:20.34 | Amarande | I wonder if this is because the game recognizes that I want it, or if random loot is just random. :) |
| 09:21.22 | Amarande | On the good side said farming runs provide Rugged Leather in spades. |
| 09:21.49 | Amarande | which my LW will need a ton of, and each Horde character who wants a ravasaur needs a stack of. :) |
| 09:24.03 | olafski | ravasaurs :@ |
| 09:24.10 | olafski | wish alliance had it that easy to get a wintersaber :P |
| 09:29.38 | Wobin | hehe thank god for ravasaurs |
| 09:29.44 | Wobin | wintersabres would be terrible |
| 09:29.49 | Wobin | and they're not even cool looking =( |
| 09:30.19 | zenzio | getting a winter saber is easy |
| 09:30.40 | zenzio | I just leveled all my weapon skills (and that's a lot on a warrior) to 400 farming the mobs |
| 09:31.22 | zenzio | or is it 450? Whatever's max |
| 09:31.29 | Amarande | zenzio: looking forward to cata no longer needing weapon skill amounts? :) |
| 09:31.49 | zenzio | Amarande: I don't care, it was simply the motivation I needed at the time :) |
| 09:32.08 | zenzio | Ican't do simple grinding, I need a goal, and weapon skills were enough for me right then |
| 09:33.14 | olafski | the increasing reputation bar is enough for me |
| 09:33.24 | olafski | beats getting a random drop such as rivendare's mount ;) |
| 09:33.31 | olafski | I'm about halfway to revered now though =( |
| 09:33.49 | zenzio | olafski: I agree in comparison to Rivendare's mount, but the bar alone doesn't do it for me |
| 09:33.52 | olafski | was originally planning of doing a full run of the 3 repeatable quests every day to get it done that way but I hardly ever play my main anymore |
| 09:34.12 | zenzio | which repeatable quests? |
| 09:34.39 | olafski | the giants, the meat and the furbolgs |
| 09:35.14 | zenzio | why not just make it one long session? They're repeatable, not daily after all |
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| 09:36.38 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.pcworld.com/article/195510/its_official_starcraft_ii_hits_stores_july_27.html |
| 09:38.11 | olafski | cause I'd get bored doing that |
| 09:38.16 | olafski | did up to honored in one sitting |
| 09:38.20 | Amarande | "To complement the change to combo points, non-damage abilities such as Recuperate and Slice and Dice will no longer have target requirements and can be used with any of the rogues existing combo points, including combo points remaining on recently killed targets." |
| 09:38.21 | Amarande | SQUEE |
| 09:38.54 | olafski | is that new? :S |
| 09:38.57 | zenzio | olafski: ah. That's what I meant by having weapon skills as goals; they tick in more noticably than the reputation :-p |
| 09:39.04 | Amarande | "Ambush will now work with all weapons" |
| 09:39.05 | Amarande | SQUEEEE |
| 09:39.22 | olafski | zenzio: hm, weaponskills can be at 399 for ages, reputation keeps going up ;) |
| 09:39.52 | zenzio | olafski: not Wintersaber rep; that only increases when you hand in the quests. Weapon skills take longer in the end, but not that long |
| 09:40.31 | olafski | mm yeah true |
| 09:40.39 | olafski | a full run takes about 15 minutes though =) |
| 09:40.44 | olafski | I have my HS on everlook too |
| 09:40.51 | zenzio | I only did the meat quest |
| 09:41.02 | olafski | really annoying if someone else is doing it at the same time though |
| 09:41.31 | zenzio | that's why I liked leveling weapon skills - I was mostly alone, and it gave the mobs enough time to respawn that I didn't have to wait for them |
| 09:42.02 | Amarande | yeah, why does the last point always seem to take 100x as long as the rest? |
| 09:42.11 | Amarande | I've never quite understood exactly how that works |
| 09:42.12 | Amarande | :S |
| 09:42.41 | zenzio | given that they're removing weapon skills, I want a Feat of Strength for maxing out all the weapon skills available to you :-p |
| 09:43.10 | olafski | I'd say it's some kind of reverse linear scale |
| 09:43.12 | olafski | eh |
| 09:43.14 | olafski | whatever it's called |
| 09:43.26 | olafski | odds of going up are inverse proportional to how many points you still need |
| 09:43.52 | olafski | zenzio: well, you already have the 4 weapon skill achievement which will probably be a feat of strength |
| 09:43.59 | olafski | and knuckle sandwich too |
| 09:44.08 | zenzio | olafski: hm, true |
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| 09:45.24 | Amarande | and really, I'm quite looking forward to the elimination of weapon skills |
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| 09:45.33 | Amarande | it will in particular make my hunter feel more at home as he levels |
| 09:45.46 | Amarande | right now, I feel practically forced to stick with guns, because I have shit all in bow and crossbow skill |
| 09:46.02 | olafski | "hey, are u a programmer or good with languages?" |
| 09:46.08 | olafski | they could've phrased that a bit less.. odd :P |
| 09:46.27 | olafski | amarande: how long would it take to catch those up really? |
| 09:46.31 | olafski | and why not use an heirloom to begin with :P |
| 09:46.44 | zenzio | ditching weapon skills is fine with me, but I wish they'd kept Defense... I was always very at home with that one |
| 09:47.03 | olafski | hm the rest of the message is equally bad.. silly DBM |
| 09:48.56 | Amarande | olafski: at this point, I'm not sure heirlooms are worth the time |
| 09:49.01 | Amarande | like I said, my only 80 is a DPS |
| 09:49.14 | Amarande | DPS queues are something around 10-20 minutes, you need approximately ten heroics for an heirloom |
| 09:49.23 | olafski | hm yeah |
| 09:49.27 | Amarande | in that time, you could suck it up and suffer through without an heirloom on the alt anyway |
| 09:49.28 | olafski | well at least get the shoulders or chest then :) |
| 09:49.30 | Wobin | yeah |
| 09:49.44 | Wobin | this is why I only ever level hybrids |
| 09:49.44 | olafski | just get cloth and you can use them on any amount of alts you want |
| 09:49.51 | Wobin | cause dps queues are terrible |
| 09:50.00 | olafski | and pure dps is boring :P |
| 09:50.24 | Amarande | Wobin: even if you have hybrids, these days you only get away with it if they're part healer |
| 09:50.24 | olafski | I still have to level my rogue and warlock from 72 to 80.. keep dreading that task |
| 09:50.30 | olafski | or part tank |
| 09:50.34 | olafski | which is what hybrids are.. :) |
| 09:50.52 | Amarande | olafski: if they're part tank, the standards people expect out of a tank nowadays are so stupidly high that by the time you get all the stuff you need, you could have leveled that character you were planning on heirlooming ... :) |
| 09:51.00 | olafski | oO |
| 09:51.13 | olafski | if you get a little bit of crafted gear you can easily tank at 80 |
| 09:51.27 | olafski | I got some shit, people left groups I was in, but over all it went fine |
| 09:51.28 | Amarande | It's like this, according to one prominent blogger ... one day you're tanking at 79 and are the awesomest 79 tank in the world |
| 09:51.35 | olafski | yes I've heard that rant before |
| 09:51.37 | Amarande | the next day you ding 80 and are considered a failtank |
| 09:51.43 | olafski | care what other people consider you :P |
| 09:51.53 | Wobin | Amarande, tank/dps or heal/dps are pretty good |
| 09:52.13 | olafski | of course you'd need to spend some emblems on items before you buy heirlooms as a tank :P |
| 09:52.18 | Wobin | and if you level pugs with a tank, you get the gear you need |
| 09:52.22 | olafski | yep |
| 09:52.34 | olafski | I got the full tempered saronite set while leveling |
| 09:52.43 | Amarande | anyway |
| 09:52.45 | Amarande | it's almost six AM |
| 09:52.51 | Amarande | I should get to bed, I actually have to work in the afternoon :) |
| 09:52.58 | olafski | at 80 I did HoL, CoS once, ToTC normal once |
| 09:52.59 | Amarande | night. |
| 09:53.00 | olafski | then I went into heroics :) |
| 09:53.00 | olafski | nn |
| 10:20.02 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/national/girl-survives-deadly-box-jellyfish-stings--doctors-amazed-20100428-tre2.html |
| 10:20.04 | Wobin | oooowwww |
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| 10:46.02 | Bruners | Wobin: moral of the story, don't go to australia |
| 10:55.36 | krka | anyone want to test my lua interpreter in java? it's a webstart so you only need to follow this link if you already have java 6 installed http://github.com/downloads/krka/kahlua2/kahlua2.jnlp |
| 10:56.48 | krka | it's multithreaded lua with pretty colors and autocomplete if that helps :) |
| 10:57.12 | sylvanaar_atwork | krka - is it something that I can add to my intellij plugin - i need an interactive mode |
| 10:57.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | repl |
| 10:57.51 | zenzio | krka: looks fancy... pity I don't use lua more for non-WoW stuff so I can't test it beyond simple stuff |
| 10:58.10 | krka | i guess you could |
| 10:58.13 | krka | with a bit of work |
| 10:58.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | krka: im not averse to work |
| 10:58.26 | krka | the autocomplete is fairly simple actually, i presume you already have syntax highlighting and stuff |
| 10:58.33 | sylvanaar_atwork | krka: yeah |
| 10:58.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | krka: i want a repl mode though |
| 10:58.49 | krka | repl? |
| 10:58.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | interactive console |
| 10:59.06 | krka | kahlua would be pretty good for that i think |
| 10:59.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | sounds like it |
| 10:59.14 | krka | you can test with the latest kahlua2 from github |
| 10:59.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | i'll take a look after work today |
| 10:59.36 | krka | it's pretty active at the moment so i can't guarantee any apis won't change |
| 10:59.42 | krka | cool, i'm here for any questions you might have :) |
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| 11:00.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | krka: this sound like what it does http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read-eval-print_loop |
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| 11:00.17 | krka | hey lego, you just missed my awesome link spam: |
| 11:00.20 | krka | http://github.com/downloads/krka/kahlua2/kahlua2.jnlp |
| 11:01.10 | krka | aha sylvanaar, you want the output and input to be the same window basically? |
| 11:01.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | yes |
| 11:01.25 | krka | should be easy enough for you to implement |
| 11:01.38 | krka | the actual windowing code in my interpreter is fairly short |
| 11:02.27 | sylvanaar_atwork | sounds cool |
| 11:03.04 | sylvanaar_atwork | now that the contest is over - i have a little more freedom to experiment |
| 11:03.11 | krka | contest? |
| 11:04.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | i entered the intellij plugin contest for 2009 - not like i was going to win |
| 11:04.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | since i started 1 month ago |
| 11:04.20 | krka | ah cool |
| 11:04.27 | krka | also, 2009 has ended :P |
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| 11:04.50 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah, the other entries has a year and a quarter |
| 11:05.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | i just wanted the tshirt |
| 11:06.02 | krka | heh |
| 11:06.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | my biggest hurdle is getting the AST finished - i wish i could use antlr |
| 11:07.53 | krka | why can't you? |
| 11:08.03 | krka | btw, if you need a flex grammar for lua, i have one that's really awesome |
| 11:08.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | i got the flex grammer |
| 11:08.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | but |
| 11:08.28 | krka | can i see it? maybe i can improve mine |
| 11:08.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | well the flex lexer |
| 11:08.38 | sylvanaar_atwork | sure |
| 11:09.08 | Fisker | sylvanaar |
| 11:09.12 | krka | it was tricky to get long strings working |
| 11:09.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | krka: http://bitbucket.org/sylvanaar2/lua-for-idea/src/2163e6133140/src/lexer/lua.flex |
| 11:10.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | krka: yes it was |
| 11:11.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | krka: mine is a variant of what was on the lua-users mailing list |
| 11:12.14 | krka | heh, ours are fairly similar |
| 11:12.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | krka: as it should be |
| 11:12.27 | krka | mine is stolen from jsyntaxpane |
| 11:12.43 | krka | but that one seemed to have been based on a java parser |
| 11:12.55 | krka | it distinguished floats from doubles |
| 11:13.00 | sylvanaar_atwork | ah |
| 11:13.56 | sylvanaar_atwork | is it the one from the antlr site that was used in luaclipse? |
| 11:14.11 | krka | no idea |
| 11:14.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | have a link? |
| 11:14.24 | krka | no, it's only on my home computer |
| 11:14.35 | krka | i only have the compiled lexer in a jar here |
| 11:15.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | gotcha |
| 11:15.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | well, i'd love to use your repl in my plugin - it looks really cool |
| 11:16.46 | sylvanaar_atwork | krka: what liscense did you use |
| 11:16.55 | krka | not sure the repl part is of any use, but the lua runtime interpreter + runtime autocomplete may be useful |
| 11:18.14 | krka | MIT |
| 11:18.15 | sylvanaar_atwork | krka: thats what i mean, MIT is great |
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| 11:19.06 | krka | i am curious how you intend to use the autocomplete in the plugin - will you have an always active lua environment running, that you populate with stuff from all lua files in the project? |
| 11:20.42 | sylvanaar_atwork | krka: well, i was thinking that I could just incorporate it as a separate window ( at least at first ). Then build on it from there. It would be nice to have a way to run quick snippets of lua code. |
| 11:20.51 | krka | yeah |
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| 12:03.47 | Wobin | "My best girlfriend's son's girlfriend's mother gave him a scratchie..." |
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| 13:09.52 | zenzio | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:10.42 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, dear. |
| 13:17.59 | Maldivia | is it morning already ? |
| 13:18.30 | DWSR | Depends on where you live. |
| 13:18.37 | Lopeppeppy | Sadly and stupidly, yes. |
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| 13:19.00 | DWSR | Maldivia: Also, see http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 13:19.51 | DWSR | It's /always/ morning when you enter. |
| 13:20.09 | zenzio | UGT is just stupid |
| 13:20.11 | olafski | that page seems to suggest you should add (ugt) to your greeting :/ |
| 13:20.12 | zenzio | you guys need to let it go |
| 13:20.27 | olafski | instead of that it would be better to just not bitch when people say good morning and it's not morning for you :P |
| 13:21.18 | Lopeppeppy | What, you mean IRC programmers shouldn't be pendantic nitpicky people? |
| 13:21.51 | zenzio | exactly |
| 13:21.57 | zenzio | and UGT takes that opporunity away from us |
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| 13:23.46 | Lopeppeppy | Baby, if one is in a mood to be a nitpicky jerk, UGT is just the excuse. |
| 13:24.17 | zenzio | lies! |
| 13:24.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes! |
| 13:26.11 | DWSR | continum(sp?) |
| 13:26.11 | batbot | DWSR, continua, continue, continuum. |
| 13:27.19 | Shirik | aka FAIL |
| 13:27.47 | DWSR | Shirik: stfu |
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| 13:28.13 | DWSR | Shirik: Any good ZPvZZ strats? |
| 13:30.33 | DWSR | Having another Blizzard game to play while WoW is on maintenance is pretty nice. |
| 13:30.49 | Shirik | Get a T |
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| 13:31.49 | ZorbaBeta | what does ZPvZZ mean? |
| 13:32.01 | DWSR | Zerg Protoss vs. Zerg Zerg. |
| 13:32.04 | ZorbaBeta | ah |
| 13:33.40 | DWSR | I was thinking that it would be beneficial to have the tosser turtle with the zerg counter rushing. |
| 13:34.21 | Shirik | huh, article came out today saying that Wikipedia trumps Brittanica because Wikipedia has to "prove" its reliability, whereas Brittanica it is assumed that they are reliable, and as a result, Wikipedia provides this collection of links to reliable resources whereas Brittanica doesn't lead you very far, it just has what it has |
| 13:34.34 | Shirik | "So Wikipediaâs supposed âunreliabilityâ actually plays to enhance its reliability and usefulness because itâs forced to continuously declare where a particular fact was found. At the same time Britannica is a walled garden of truth." |
| 13:34.58 | DWSR | Shirik: That just sounds like WP being full of themselves. |
| 13:35.11 | Shirik | except it was http://newstilt.com/notthatkindofdoctor/news/wikipedia-trumps-britannia |
| 13:36.22 | DWSR | lolfail in URL |
| 13:36.32 | Shirik | oh lol |
| 13:37.07 | ZorbaBeta | makes sense to me, I must say |
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| 13:38.31 | Lopeppeppy | It does make some sense. Accepting "established authority" just because is rapidly falling out of fashion. |
| 13:39.53 | DWSR | Yeah, it does make sense to me as well, now that I've read the whole article. |
| 13:40.05 | ZorbaBeta | which is excellent for everyone except the established authorities :) |
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| 13:42.46 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, established authorities will have to actually work to maintain their reputations!!eleventyone!!111 |
| 13:43.05 | Lopeppeppy | has no sympathy for the whole "resting on our laurels" entitlement stuff |
| 13:44.12 | DWSR | [09:42:41] <mhall119>Russnix: with the exception of DirectX, most games are locked to Windows only because of installers and launchers <--- lol. |
| 13:44.27 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 13:44.35 | cogwheel | also morning |
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| 13:45.01 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Cog-personage |
| 13:45.02 | DWSR | Games aren't locked to Windows, except for EVERYTHING THAT MAKES THEM A GAME. |
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| 13:46.22 | ZorbaBeta | eh, I agree with what he's saying. the graphics layer is surprisingly minimal |
| 13:46.28 | ZorbaBeta | games are a great target for porting to other OSes |
| 13:48.51 | DWSR | Shirik: Suggestions on PTvTZ? |
| 13:49.00 | Shirik | which side are you on? |
| 13:49.05 | DWSR | P |
| 13:49.08 | Shirik | hit zerg fast |
| 13:49.16 | DWSR | As P? |
| 13:49.20 | Shirik | yes |
| 13:49.28 | Shirik | do not allow zerg to build up |
| 13:49.35 | DWSR | 8 pylon, 9, gateway, lots? |
| 13:49.42 | Shirik | I'm talking if you have 4 zealots 4 marines you already need to hit them |
| 13:50.08 | Shirik | constant pressure on zerg will ensure they can't get to mutalisks faster than you can deal with them |
| 13:50.25 | Shirik | if you can force them to roaches instead, then you're doing well, tanks will take them out |
| 13:51.12 | Shirik | right Cide? :) |
| 13:51.13 | Wobin | http://twitpic.com/1kprim |
| 13:51.53 | kd3 | whee at mods leaking stuff |
| 13:51.58 | kd3 | winces |
| 13:52.09 | Shirik | ? |
| 13:52.16 | cogwheel | that's what happens when you stab them |
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| 13:56.22 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNvJy0zoXOY&feature=player_embedded |
| 13:56.30 | Wobin | dude is pretty awesome at what he does there |
| 13:59.02 | Cide | Shirik: sec |
| 13:59.06 | DWSR | bah. |
| 13:59.11 | DWSR | fucking terran rushed me with reapers. |
| 13:59.33 | Cide | if you face terran get a cybernetics core before you even start building marines |
| 13:59.39 | Cide | and when it's done, chronoboost your stalker |
| 14:00.57 | Cide | I've gone with a really awesome strategy in 1v1 vs zerg though |
| 14:01.39 | DWSR | I'm thinking of massing Immortals. |
| 14:01.40 | Cide | early zealots to counter agression, followed by phoenixes flying around and taking out overlords and their queen (3-4 max) |
| 14:01.44 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/aawww.jpg |
| 14:01.51 | Cide | that will force them to go hydralisks |
| 14:01.59 | Cide | and then you get colossi instead |
| 14:02.02 | Cide | gg |
| 14:02.20 | kd3 | mikma, the hell? |
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| 14:08.06 | Lopeppeppy | Gifts of bacon, mikma? |
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| 14:13.15 | airtonix | http://i41.tinypic.com/2elqj2b.jpg |
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| 14:43.00 | DWSR | Hah. |
| 14:43.01 | DWSR | I won. |
| 14:43.27 | DWSR | The other team was pretty fucking awful though |
| 14:43.50 | DWSR | I marched in with like 20 Void Rays/Stalkers, a mothership and a half dozen carriers. |
| 14:43.54 | DWSR | Poof. |
| 14:45.54 | Cide | why? |
| 14:46.20 | Ackis | there is a snow storm here this morning, about 1 block viability hehe |
| 14:48.49 | Shirik | (10:41:53) (+Cide) [09:55:02] if you face terran get a cybernetics core before you even start building marines |
| 14:48.53 | Shirik | That's generally not too hard to do |
| 14:49.05 | Shirik | When I play protoss I typically build a cybernetics core before I build marines too |
| 14:49.23 | Wobin | jnwhiteh, in relation to a previous conversation... http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/04/knife-skills-how-to-hone-a-dull-knife.html |
| 14:50.05 | Cide | lol |
| 14:50.06 | Cide | fail me |
| 14:55.44 | Cide | when the fuck is terran going to stop massing maruaders and attack moving |
| 14:55.54 | Cide | and when is it going to stop being superbly stupid to counter |
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| 14:58.12 | DWSR | Cide: Ugh, Reaper rush is the worst. |
| 14:58.13 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:58.15 | Shirik | "Hello, I am requesting to be unblocked because there was a mistake, somebody hacked into my computer and started screwing with random articles and other websites, i have taken the action to change my password and IP address, so i am requesting to be unblocked. If you accept this request, i will only edit constructively like a user on wikipedia is meant to do. Thank you for your time -kkeller1116" |
| 14:58.18 | Cide | reaper rush is easy to defend |
| 14:58.39 | Lopeppeppy | "My little brother did it!" |
| 14:58.50 | Cide | I usually go with my dead mother |
| 14:58.54 | DWSR | Cide: How, as Terran or Toss? |
| 14:59.11 | Cide | toss |
| 14:59.21 | Cide | it can be a slight pain but the marauders are much worse |
| 14:59.37 | DWSR | how, though? |
| 14:59.48 | Shirik | how exactly do you defend a reaper rush? |
| 14:59.55 | Shirik | I have a friend that can't figure it out |
| 15:00.00 | Cide | 9 pylon, 11 gateway, cybernetics core asap, chronoboost stalker |
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| 15:00.10 | Cide | you probably have to run your probes around in some 20 sec |
| 15:00.10 | Shirik | so stalkers |
| 15:00.20 | Cide | yes |
| 15:00.22 | Shirik | ok |
| 15:00.25 | Cide | stalkers absolutely demolish reapers |
| 15:00.38 | Shirik | yeah my friend is having a problem I think because he doesn't go for stalkers fast enough |
| 15:00.39 | Shirik | or at all |
| 15:00.42 | Cide | it's crucial to get the cybernetics core up ASAP and then chronoboost them |
| 15:01.00 | nicoli_s | this isnt a sc2 channel |
| 15:01.13 | DWSR | obviously you didn't get the memo. |
| 15:01.17 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 15:01.19 | DWSR | So ignore lots? |
| 15:01.24 | Cide | absolutely |
| 15:02.15 | Cide | at least to fend off the reaper rush |
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| 15:04.15 | nicoli_s | so anyone get a leak of the alpha yet? |
| 15:04.24 | Cide | not you apparently |
| 15:04.33 | Jamash | burn |
| 15:04.41 | DWSR | hrm. |
| 15:04.48 | nicoli_s | well i dont really follow wow stuff heavily, just curious, you ass :P |
| 15:04.58 | DWSR | What's your initial build order as P cide? |
| 15:05.03 | Cide | not now |
| 15:05.08 | Cide | playing a game |
| 15:05.13 | DWSR | Ah, lemme know when you're done. |
| 15:06.01 | Lopeppeppy | If it were a leak, I assume it would be covered by NDA, no? |
| 15:06.12 | Lopeppeppy | Rather, alpha, sorry. Leaks by definition are blabbed. |
| 15:06.29 | Jamash | anyone here played Gratuitous Space Battles? |
| 15:12.44 | Ackis | i've heard of it |
| 15:12.45 | nicoli_s | Lopeppeppy: but as soon as it happens, it gets everywhere anyways |
| 15:17.36 | Lopeppeppy | nicoli_s, I think The Powers That Be in this channel would still squish the leak discussions fast, just for the sake of positive relations. However, I have yet to see anything streak across the internets in any venue. |
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| 15:21.21 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 15:23.31 | Cide | DWSR: vs what race? |
| 15:23.55 | olafski | just got offered an SC2 betakey :< |
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| 15:27.48 | DWSR | Cide: Terran and Zerg. |
| 15:27.53 | DWSR | olafski: TAKE EET |
| 15:27.55 | DWSR | SO GUD |
| 15:28.00 | olafski | I declined :P |
| 15:28.08 | DWSR | failure.] |
| 15:28.34 | olafski | neighbor had been trying forever to get one and now he got three, so 2 to give away.. lucky him I guess ;) |
| 15:28.46 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:29.04 | Cide | shrug |
| 15:29.07 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: I wonder if someone has The Powers That Be on highlight. :P |
| 15:29.19 | Cide | I usually go gateway at 12 and then cybernetics core after 1 zealot |
| 15:29.29 | Cide | unless I'm anticipating a rush in which case I get 2 gateways before core |
| 15:30.46 | DWSR | I am under the impression that defenses are fucking useless in this game. |
| 15:30.53 | Cide | they're not |
| 15:30.57 | Lopeppeppy | Kill or be killed. |
| 15:31.01 | DWSR | static defenses* |
| 15:31.07 | Cide | they're not |
| 15:31.44 | Cide | they're crucial in every game |
| 15:31.47 | Cide | just not early on |
| 15:31.52 | Cide | usually |
| 15:31.59 | Lopeppeppy | Kill kill kill KILL! |
| 15:32.11 | haste | with with with with! |
| 15:32.14 | DWSR | Cide: What's your tag? I want to watch a few of your replays. |
| 15:32.29 | Cide | I'm bad but ok |
| 15:32.38 | DWSR | I assure you, I'm worse. |
| 15:33.08 | Cide | I'm Cide.cide |
| 15:33.17 | DWSR | k |
| 15:33.28 | Cide | I'd urge you to only watch my toss replays though |
| 15:33.32 | Cide | I'm horrible with both zerg and terran |
| 15:33.33 | DWSR | Does anyone else have to keep accepting the SC2 ToS and LA? |
| 15:33.52 | Cide | my friend |
| 15:33.54 | Cide | no clue why |
| 15:34.00 | Cide | I told him to try running it as administrator |
| 15:34.03 | Cide | not sure if it helps |
| 15:34.15 | DWSR | I'm on XP and the account's admin. |
| 15:34.39 | DWSR | I'm keeping my gaming rig as XP until DX9 gets phased out entirely, or they finally fix the shit with UAC. |
| 15:35.43 | DWSR | You don't play any 2v2? |
| 15:38.15 | Cide | I do when Shirik isn't busy |
| 15:38.23 | Shirik | :( |
| 15:38.25 | Shirik | finals week |
| 15:38.26 | Cide | uac has been fixed in windows 7 |
| 15:38.34 | Cide | get with the times |
| 15:39.19 | DWSR | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011740342_electronboy30m.html |
| 15:39.20 | Shirik | nah |
| 15:39.23 | Shirik | UAC was fixed in Vista |
| 15:39.23 | DWSR | Cide: No it hasn't. |
| 15:39.26 | Shirik | they broke it in 7 |
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| 15:39.39 | Shirik | (well broke it by default, until you turn its settings back up) |
| 15:39.53 | Cide | or that |
| 15:40.28 | DWSR | lol, dude. |
| 15:40.31 | DWSR | I WANT TO BE ELECTRON BOY |
| 15:40.34 | DWSR | I'M FUCKING JEALOUS |
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| 15:41.43 | Shirik | DWSR: Nice @ electron boy |
| 15:42.03 | DWSR | Quick, someone give me cancer. |
| 15:42.30 | Shirik | go to /b/ |
| 15:43.17 | DWSR | You've spent a lot of time with them, I was hoping that you could give it to me instead. |
| 15:43.38 | Shirik | nah I am not a part of /b/ so I cannot be a part of their cancer. I am merely an impenetrable shield against which they fail |
| 15:45.10 | DWSR | s/fail/flail/ |
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| 15:45.56 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: check out my facebook |
| 15:46.19 | olafski | ew |
| 15:47.44 | Ackis | Chantelle had a run in with a cat. |
| 15:47.46 | mikma | lol facepalm |
| 15:50.17 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:50.19 | Fisker | i will destroy you |
| 15:50.47 | Ackis | why? |
| 15:51.05 | Lopeppeppy | Poor lady! I'm glad she doesn't need stitches! |
| 15:51.09 | Torhal | Ackis: He is Fisker, Bringer of Death? |
| 15:51.12 | Lopeppeppy | But that's a nasty black eye. |
| 15:51.36 | Ackis | more like Fisker, bringer of farts |
| 15:51.54 | mikma | hah |
| 15:52.09 | DWSR | Anyone up for an SC2 match? |
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| 15:53.02 | DWSR | station |
| 15:53.08 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:53.08 | Cairenn|afk | station |
| 15:53.12 | Lunessa | :D |
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| 15:53.32 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 15:53.35 | Fisker | damn you alt button! |
| 15:53.36 | DWSR | Cairen totally has an auto-responder. |
| 15:53.40 | Lunessa | Morning Peppy dear. :) |
| 15:53.42 | Fisker | also Lunessa it's not station but busstop |
| 15:53.48 | Fisker | and Ackis you're getting destroyed for facebook |
| 15:53.59 | Lunessa | Fisker: Only in Lame-Fiskerland. |
| 15:55.08 | Lunessa | Fisker: Open your heart to the message of Wyld Stallions. Be excellent to each other. |
| 15:55.28 | DWSR | You can't preorder SC2?\ |
| 15:55.33 | DWSR | on the Blizzard Store? |
| 15:57.21 | Torhal | tricks Ackis into re-subscribing to WoW. |
| 15:57.32 | Ackis | nein |
| 15:57.34 | Fisker | nope DWSR |
| 15:57.50 | Fisker | but when it's out (or a few days after) it'll be there as an online upgrade |
| 15:58.55 | nicoli_s | Ackis: so that crazy bird is now attacking our neighbors cat cuz it looks jst like our cat :P |
| 15:59.28 | Torhal | signs Ackis up for a Roblox account. |
| 16:00.59 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:01.07 | Ackis | your cat will get revenge one day |
| 16:04.40 | Kaelten | gives Ackis his WebLords beta account |
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| 16:05.14 | nicoli_s | he will |
| 16:05.20 | nicoli_s | and i need to think of a name for him |
| 16:05.34 | nicoli_s | i was considering Ginger Balls from flight of the conchords but i dunno |
| 16:13.51 | Ackis | weblords? roblox? wtf |
| 16:15.30 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, I wonder if the Blizz store is going to have a Steam-like setup so I can just download |
| 16:15.35 | ZorbaBeta | I honestly do not care about physical media anymore |
| 16:20.21 | Fisker | Come play your damn game my lord? |
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| 16:27.58 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: You can buy digital copies of released games in the store already, and once you 'own' a license you can download WoW from Account Management pages, but I don't know about other games like SC:II |
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| 16:30.21 | Ackis | Lunessa: SC2 beta is handled the same way, I'm assuming the release will be like teh beta |
| 16:30.46 | ZorbaBeta | that'd be excellent |
| 16:31.07 | ZorbaBeta | I think the only thing I've used my DVD drive for in the last year is burning Linux install discs. |
| 16:31.12 | Lunessa | Yeah, having an established model, I assume they'ed go with that for all their other products. |
| 16:31.27 | ZorbaBeta | although I wish they'd just enter into a partnership with Steam or something |
| 16:32.07 | nevcairiel | oh god, no |
| 16:33.03 | DWSR | Yes, please. |
| 16:33.07 | DWSR | Fuck you OSX! :) |
| 16:33.41 | Lunessa | No, I don't want a steam account. |
| 16:34.23 | DWSR | I already have one, gogo TF2. |
| 16:34.25 | Thunder_Child | yes you do |
| 16:34.40 | Shirik | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129170670632676800.jpg |
| 16:35.37 | Lunessa | No, I don't want a Steam account, none of the games I see on their are compelling enough that I want to sub to their system. |
| 16:35.52 | Fisker | why does it say "will delete in 44 hours" Shirik ? |
| 16:35.53 | Fisker | DRMS? |
| 16:36.05 | nevcairiel | i have a steam account, back from the good old days when i was coding plugins for HL and CS |
| 16:36.06 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:36.07 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 16:36.18 | ZorbaBeta | honestly really what I want is some kind of decentralized but unified location to store downloadable shit and update it |
| 16:36.26 | ZorbaBeta | like I want a button I can push labeled "update things" |
| 16:36.31 | ZorbaBeta | and it should update software on my computer |
| 16:36.39 | nevcairiel | its the same button that starts wow |
| 16:36.40 | ZorbaBeta | but everyone is so invested with making their own little walled gardens :/ |
| 16:36.42 | nevcairiel | not good enough? :p |
| 16:36.47 | ZorbaBeta | nev, oddly, that button only updates WoW |
| 16:36.51 | ZorbaBeta | not, say, Team Fortress 2 |
| 16:36.57 | nevcairiel | yes, but you click it anyway to start the game |
| 16:36.59 | nevcairiel | so no extra effort |
| 16:37.04 | ZorbaBeta | I click it to start Team Fortress 2? |
| 16:37.06 | ZorbaBeta | that's news to me |
| 16:37.31 | ZorbaBeta | see the advantage to the steam model is that I have all the games listed. if I want to download something that I have owned but not installed, I click two things |
| 16:37.34 | ZorbaBeta | and it Just Works |
| 16:37.40 | ZorbaBeta | I want to be able to do the same thing with starcraft, wow, etc, etc, etc |
| 16:37.47 | jnwhiteh | well steam didn't support mac |
| 16:37.56 | ZorbaBeta | and, ideally, I want to be able to do this with *all* the software I have purchased |
| 16:37.57 | jnwhiteh | so that's non-starter |
| 16:38.03 | nevcairiel | you dont want to download 20gb through steams slow motion download manager :p |
| 16:38.05 | jnwhiteh | perhaps that will change |
| 16:38.14 | ZorbaBeta | jnwhite, there's nothing saying they'd *only* have to support steam |
| 16:38.21 | ZorbaBeta | I just want some kind of sensible integration if I should so choose. |
| 16:38.24 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 16:38.25 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 16:38.27 | nevcairiel | no-one supports multiple of those silly services |
| 16:38.28 | jnwhiteh | they split development time |
| 16:38.30 | nevcairiel | they rather roll their own |
| 16:38.32 | jnwhiteh | wasting it |
| 16:38.35 | jnwhiteh | not likely |
| 16:38.40 | ZorbaBeta | nev, exactly, and that's the problem. that's what I wish they'd solve. |
| 16:38.48 | ZorbaBeta | as I said: everyone wants their own little walled garden. |
| 16:38.50 | nevcairiel | stuff like that is never solved |
| 16:38.54 | ZorbaBeta | (welcome to the beginning of the conversation) |
| 16:39.26 | nevcairiel | no-one will come up with a design that is open for everyone to join without investing a boatload of money into it |
| 16:39.33 | ZorbaBeta | Eh. I'm not sure about that. Take a company that has some vested interest in making things reasonable and *not* locking people in - like MS, for example, or NVidia, or Intel |
| 16:39.35 | nevcairiel | i have no idea what valve wants for a game to go up on steam |
| 16:39.43 | olafski | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.43 | ZorbaBeta | they might find it worth their while to make a sane central system. |
| 16:39.58 | nevcairiel | right, like MS would develop something that works for windows, linux and mac |
| 16:40.09 | ZorbaBeta | when did I say they would? |
| 16:40.12 | nevcairiel | or even cut linux out there, just mac |
| 16:40.13 | ZorbaBeta | why would that even matter? |
| 16:40.17 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=360100354&oldid=360095955 <-- my head |
| 16:40.20 | Shirik | it hurts |
| 16:40.23 | Lunessa | I also want something that doesn't mean I have to give yet another company my credit card information AND submit to yet another contract and have them dismiss my OS of choice even though the game I want doesn't. |
| 16:40.28 | jnwhiteh | you want something that doesn't exist, and isn't likely to exist.. |
| 16:40.29 | nevcairiel | You propose a central thing that WoW can join |
| 16:40.30 | ZorbaBeta | even something central on Windows would be nice. I mean in theory they have it, it just isn't very good |
| 16:40.37 | nevcairiel | if they were to do that, they would certainly abandon their own little thing |
| 16:40.38 | ZorbaBeta | I don't even require for this central thing to handle payments, note |
| 16:40.43 | Cide | sentensis make thots |
| 16:40.51 | ZorbaBeta | I just want some central repository for downloading shit, updating shit, and later deleting shit |
| 16:40.52 | nevcairiel | which doesnt work for their mac client |
| 16:40.53 | Cide | I hope s/he is trolling |
| 16:41.12 | Shirik | me too |
| 16:41.14 | jnwhiteh | you want something central, for companies that are not central. |
| 16:41.28 | jnwhiteh | these expectations are not grounded in reality |
| 16:41.30 | ZorbaBeta | jn, I want an interface that all these sources can add things to |
| 16:41.39 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not talking about a central purchasing framework or downloading network. |
| 16:41.43 | Cide | they settled for windows |
| 16:41.43 | jnwhiteh | making one is trivial. |
| 16:41.44 | jnwhiteh | no one wants to |
| 16:41.45 | Lunessa | App Store end-user experience for all platforms? |
| 16:41.45 | ZorbaBeta | I'm just talking about a unified interface. |
| 16:41.49 | jnwhiteh | because not everyone would opt-in |
| 16:41.55 | jnwhiteh | and the problem continues |
| 16:42.04 | DWSR | I wish B.net had Steam integration. |
| 16:42.05 | nevcairiel | app-store only works because apple blocks every other means of distribution |
| 16:42.06 | ZorbaBeta | making one is trivial. getting people to use it isn't. that's where you need someone heavyweight to step in and start signing people up to it |
| 16:42.20 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Microsoft did that with Games for Windows. |
| 16:42.21 | ZorbaBeta | if you can get a bunch of people to start using it, the rest join in time |
| 16:42.22 | Cide | I wish microsoft could do it |
| 16:42.26 | Cide | get to it, ZorbaBeta |
| 16:42.26 | DWSR | Look at how that has(n't) turned out. |
| 16:42.27 | nevcairiel | games for windows failed |
| 16:42.29 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, yeah, except games for windows sucks |
| 16:42.33 | ZorbaBeta | for reasons other than this :P |
| 16:42.36 | nevcairiel | so MS is out of the race |
| 16:42.36 | jnwhiteh | who is the 'big player' that can make this work |
| 16:42.38 | jnwhiteh | microsoft.. no |
| 16:42.40 | jnwhiteh | apple.. no |
| 16:42.40 | nevcairiel | why would intel or nvidia do that? |
| 16:42.42 | jnwhiteh | google.. no |
| 16:42.47 | ZorbaBeta | nev, no, why does this make MS out of the race? |
| 16:42.57 | ZorbaBeta | they botched an attempt at making something tangentially related but not equivalent to this |
| 16:43.03 | jnwhiteh | because it doesn't address mac os x, for one. |
| 16:43.07 | ZorbaBeta | even if they'd made this and failed, it doesn't mean they couldn't try again |
| 16:43.13 | jnwhiteh | to what end? |
| 16:43.13 | ZorbaBeta | I have no idea why you keep bringing up mac os X |
| 16:43.15 | jnwhiteh | who benefits? |
| 16:43.16 | ZorbaBeta | what do you think I'm proposing here? |
| 16:43.25 | ZorbaBeta | I mean it wouldn't buy cat food for me either |
| 16:43.28 | jnwhiteh | WoW is distributed to all platforms the same way. |
| 16:43.28 | ZorbaBeta | I don't really see this as a problem |
| 16:43.28 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: The all of 50 people on the planet that use it. |
| 16:43.37 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: WRANGGGGG.... |
| 16:43.43 | jnwhiteh | that's three distinct platforms |
| 16:43.50 | jnwhiteh | why would they want three distribution methods for each of them |
| 16:44.01 | nevcairiel | three? |
| 16:44.04 | ZorbaBeta | all I'm suggesting - and, seriously, read this over - is that some unified interface exist, with standard APIs for providing downloading and purchasing and deleting and updating |
| 16:44.16 | ZorbaBeta | and then put some leverage on companies to implement the very simple hooks required to tap into this |
| 16:44.30 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not saying that you would have to pay via Central Software Incorporated |
| 16:44.30 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Do you have SC2? |
| 16:44.33 | nevcairiel | there is no one that could put that leverage on people and have the interest to do so |
| 16:44.38 | jnwhiteh | and I'm saying that's a pipe dream |
| 16:44.57 | ZorbaBeta | I disagree. it's in MS's best interest to get people to use their OS, and one of the downsides to Windows for gaming - compared to the major consoles - is how easy stuff like "getting good games" is on those |
| 16:45.07 | ZorbaBeta | on Windows it's a melange of unrelated interfaces, some good, some bad |
| 16:45.16 | jnwhiteh | so we have steam |
| 16:45.16 | ZorbaBeta | if they were *all* good, gaming on Windows would be better. |
| 16:45.18 | nevcairiel | consoles? dont you still have to buy phyiscal media? :P |
| 16:45.20 | jnwhiteh | whats the problem? |
| 16:45.26 | ZorbaBeta | nev, every major console has an online market. |
| 16:45.30 | krka | sylvanaar: http://pastey.net/136117 here's my lua.flex |
| 16:45.39 | krka | in case you're curious :) |
| 16:45.59 | nevcairiel | yeah, but downloading a game that usually comes on a bluray is not viable |
| 16:46.00 | ZorbaBeta | jn, Steam is gated by the people who run Steam. If they don't want to distribute a game, they don't distribute it. Microsoft should be wary about giving over that much power to another company. |
| 16:46.10 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 16:46.14 | ZorbaBeta | nev, I download 15gb games over Steam all the time. |
| 16:46.17 | jnwhiteh | and why would anyone else want microsoft to handle it? |
| 16:46.20 | nevcairiel | good for you |
| 16:46.22 | nevcairiel | others wont |
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| 16:46.29 | jnwhiteh | again, none of this quite makes sense |
| 16:46.33 | ZorbaBeta | jn, I really, really think you're not understanding what I have in mind |
| 16:46.37 | jnwhiteh | I think I do |
| 16:46.42 | jnwhiteh | and I think its a pipe dream |
| 16:46.44 | ZorbaBeta | once again: I am not saying that Microsoft would have any control over this UI |
| 16:46.47 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't consider the way business works. |
| 16:46.51 | ZorbaBeta | it is a single, unified UI. it does not talk to a single outside server. |
| 16:47.06 | jnwhiteh | yes, I'm aware. |
| 16:47.06 | ZorbaBeta | it does not give Microsoft any power over what software is plugged into it, any more than MS already has power over what software runs on Windows. |
| 16:47.21 | ZorbaBeta | then why would anyone object to MS "handling it"? |
| 16:47.30 | nevcairiel | to run a single unified UI, you need a central database |
| 16:47.31 | ZorbaBeta | if all they're providing is a set of interface primitives and hooks, and saying "go to town"? |
| 16:47.39 | ZorbaBeta | nev, sure, located on the user's computer |
| 16:47.41 | ZorbaBeta | not one located remotely |
| 16:47.50 | ZorbaBeta | not one that MS has direct control over |
| 16:47.56 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: What you're sort of getting at is the Games folder in Windows. |
| 16:48.01 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 16:48.03 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, yeah, except not crappy, basically. |
| 16:48.04 | jnwhiteh | they have to download something |
| 16:48.07 | jnwhiteh | to download something? |
| 16:48.08 | DWSR | It tries to do this, it just fails miserably because no one ever implements the shit that you need. |
| 16:48.18 | olafski | what's wrong with downloading 15GB? :s |
| 16:48.26 | olafski | I'd say most current connections wouldn't take too long for that |
| 16:48.30 | jnwhiteh | so again, you want what's already been done.. and think that someone doing it again will somehow make it work 'this time'? |
| 16:48.37 | ZorbaBeta | yeah. and I think, if they made the interface not-crappy, and then got some of the bigger groups to actually buy into it, it might become far more standard |
| 16:48.46 | ZorbaBeta | but they're obviously not putting the effort into doing so |
| 16:48.50 | jnwhiteh | well I wish you the best of luck with that. |
| 16:48.50 | DWSR | olafski: You live in the EU |
| 16:48.56 | DWSR | Try living in North America and saying that. |
| 16:49.04 | olafski | what's the average connection speed in NA? |
| 16:49.06 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, I do live in NA, it's not a problem :P |
| 16:49.09 | olafski | I thought you guys didn't have it too bad |
| 16:49.17 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Downloading 15GB would take a while. |
| 16:49.23 | DWSR | Are you on FiOS? |
| 16:49.29 | Cide | eh, an hour or two |
| 16:49.31 | ZorbaBeta | sure, so what? in many ways there's no difference between "it takes two hours" and "it takes 24 hours" |
| 16:49.32 | olafski | I'm moving off campus soon so taking a hit in connection speed.. looking at getting a 25mbit connection, not too bad I'd say |
| 16:49.35 | DWSR | Because that's not available where I live and my cap is 60GB a month, anyway. |
| 16:49.38 | ZorbaBeta | in both of those cases you come back the next day and it's done |
| 16:49.45 | nevcairiel | currently that would take me like 16 hours |
| 16:49.56 | nevcairiel | in that time i walked to the store 20 times |
| 16:49.58 | ZorbaBeta | also if you have a cap then your isp sucks ;) |
| 16:49.59 | DWSR | ^ |
| 16:50.08 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Yeah, but I don't have a choice. :P |
| 16:50.15 | olafski | nevcairiel: not all games are 15GB though.. and what if you decide to buy a game at 23.00? ;) |
| 16:50.19 | ZorbaBeta | nev, funny, I pushed a button. then I got work done for 24 hours instead of sitting there staring at the screen :P |
| 16:50.31 | ZorbaBeta | meanwhile you spent almost an hour driving to the store |
| 16:50.37 | DWSR | Anyone want to play a match of SC2? |
| 16:50.38 | ZorbaBeta | three cheers for a modicum of patience |
| 16:50.43 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Store's not an hour away. |
| 16:50.49 | olafski | buying games in a store seems so outdated :) |
| 16:51.02 | ZorbaBeta | well, nev did just say that he only walked there 20 times in 16 hours |
| 16:51.03 | olafski | dwsr: nevcairiel said he could go to the store 20 times in 16 hours.. nearly 1 hour (for a return trip though) |
| 16:51.05 | ZorbaBeta | so, that's almost an hour. ;) |
| 16:51.16 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: He's a failure. |
| 16:51.19 | nevcairiel | whats the advantage then? i bet i come across 2 stores alone on my way hoem from work, and that would be like a 10 minutes detour |
| 16:51.20 | DWSR | Don't listen to him. |
| 16:51.27 | olafski | closest game store here would be about 20 minutes by bike for me |
| 16:51.37 | olafski | instead I just buy games online and have them delivered +) |
| 16:51.40 | DWSR | Closest game store is 5 minutes by car. |
| 16:51.44 | nevcairiel | or that |
| 16:51.48 | nevcairiel | come home, game is there! |
| 16:51.56 | olafski | yeah |
| 16:51.56 | ZorbaBeta | nev, having yet another piece of plastic cluttering up the house that I can't find. I like being able to just push button -> get game |
| 16:52.01 | olafski | I mostly do that because it's cheaper though nevcairiel :) |
| 16:52.10 | ZorbaBeta | and if I want two dozen games on my laptop, I just download 'em and don't have to carry discs around for DRM. |
| 16:52.15 | Ackis | ZorbaBeta: push button, get game == console |
| 16:52.18 | DWSR | ^ |
| 16:52.20 | ZorbaBeta | ackis, yeah, I do that too. |
| 16:52.27 | DWSR | I don't console game. At all. |
| 16:52.28 | olafski | if it was the same price in digital form I'd get the digital versions |
| 16:52.31 | DWSR | though I might be tempted by Halo Reach |
| 16:52.38 | olafski | but it's not (for the 360) and I only have a 20GB disk :) |
| 16:52.49 | ZorbaBeta | I just don't care about the slight price difference. five bucks here and there, whatever. |
| 16:53.09 | olafski | hm haven't actually checked lately what the games on demand on the 360 cost |
| 16:53.18 | Ackis | DWSR: some games are better on the console, some are better on the PC... what I like about my 360 is the achievements |
| 16:53.23 | olafski | but they're more expensive and usually older than the ones you can buy on discs |
| 16:53.28 | DWSR | Ackis: Which is why I like Steam. |
| 16:53.36 | DWSR | Ackis: And also, name a game that is better on console. |
| 16:53.45 | DWSR | Because anything you name will be equivalent or better on PC. |
| 16:53.53 | DWSR | (That's not console exclusive). |
| 16:54.00 | olafski | assassin's creed |
| 16:54.02 | jnwhiteh | a console is consistent. |
| 16:54.08 | jnwhiteh | I turn it on, and the game plays the same every time. |
| 16:54.11 | DWSR | olafski: Better on PC. |
| 16:54.13 | ZorbaBeta | anything that wants two analog sticks |
| 16:54.14 | jnwhiteh | PCs can't make the same claim. |
| 16:54.15 | olafski | dwsr: your opinion |
| 16:54.17 | Ackis | DWSR: Fable :P |
| 16:54.26 | DWSR | olafski: Why is it better on console? The controller? You can just /buy/ one. |
| 16:54.28 | DWSR | For your PC. |
| 16:54.31 | DWSR | Ackis: Better on PC. |
| 16:54.43 | Ackis | DWSR: I would disagree (played them both) |
| 16:55.02 | Ackis | fable 2 is better on the console for sure ;) |
| 16:55.06 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: You can, if you take steps to make sure that you keep your computer free of stupid junk, or just have a second. |
| 16:55.11 | Ackis | I haven't played GTA 4, but that came to mind |
| 16:55.21 | DWSR | Consoles are just computers /anyway/. |
| 16:55.22 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: I don't have to do any of that with a console. |
| 16:55.25 | DWSR | So you just grab a controller. |
| 16:55.34 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: You should be keeping your computer free of stupid junk anyway. |
| 16:55.36 | olafski | jnwhiteh: also, if you take a game to a friend they can also play it in exactly the same way :) |
| 16:55.42 | jnwhiteh | I do, I have a Mac. |
| 16:55.59 | DWSR | Your opinion doesn't count then, because you can play all of 10 games on your computer. :P |
| 16:56.11 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 16:56.12 | nevcairiel | having a mac keeps your computer free of junk? |
| 16:56.15 | nevcairiel | what magic is this? :D |
| 16:56.18 | Ackis | I thought his opinion didn't matter because he was jnwhiteh ;) |
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| 16:56.22 | jnwhiteh | whatever makes you happy |
| 16:56.45 | Ackis | <3 |
| 16:56.47 | Ackis | olafski: http://majornelson.com/archive/2010/05/04/coming-soon-to-the-xbox-live-marketplace-may-4-2010.aspx |
| 16:57.18 | Ackis | one big thing that annoys me about the console is no push-to-talk button |
| 16:57.57 | nevcairiel | i hate playing ego shooters with a controller, those games are designed for a mouse |
| 16:58.16 | Ackis | I killed three people in 2 games of halo reach last night |
| 16:58.23 | nevcairiel | is that alot? |
| 16:58.31 | Ackis | no, I died about 20x |
| 16:58.34 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 16:59.48 | Ackis | if wow was on the console, I'd play it still ;) |
| 17:00.12 | nevcairiel | that would probably so suck |
| 17:00.26 | Ackis | FFXI wasn't too bad from what I saw (Chantelle played it not me) |
| 17:00.31 | Ackis | but yeah |
| 17:00.34 | nevcairiel | cant even chat properly! |
| 17:00.37 | Lunessa | Mouse-driven games rarely translate well to the controllers consoles use. |
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| 17:00.53 | Ackis | you have to buy a chat pad which attach's to your controller |
| 17:00.55 | olafski | ackis: already saw that link! |
| 17:00.58 | Lunessa | And games which use text chat... eeewww. |
| 17:01.05 | Kirkburn | Afternoon |
| 17:01.12 | Ackis | still nowhere near as fast as typing w/ a keyboard |
| 17:01.23 | Ackis | and actually you can set a keyboard/mouse up to your console now |
| 17:01.24 | nevcairiel | all games with cooperative multiplayer are kinda hard to translate, or do consoles come with voice chat these days? |
| 17:01.34 | Ackis | everything has voice chat |
| 17:01.40 | Adys | http://jarlsberg.appspot.com/ |
| 17:01.49 | Ackis | there's in game voice chat, "chat channels" and then party chat |
| 17:01.55 | olafski | 360's come with a headset included |
| 17:02.00 | Ackis | you can chat with 5 different people playing 5 different games if you want nevcairiel |
| 17:02.06 | olafski | though not a very good one imo :P |
| 17:02.13 | Ackis | I don't have that many friends though :'( |
| 17:02.19 | olafski | aw you have me |
| 17:02.22 | nicoli_s | jarlsberg is a delicious type of cheese |
| 17:03.07 | Ackis | you aren't gold olafski |
| 17:03.27 | Ackis | Fisker: http://gizmodo.com/5530178/top-ten-reasons-you-should-quit-facebook |
| 17:03.54 | olafski | I'm plutonium ackis |
| 17:04.32 | Ackis | zomg |
| 17:04.42 | olafski | gold is for bling, not gaming |
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| 17:17.09 | Ackis | nevcairiel: http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/Default.aspx?player=CanadaAckis My Halo Reach stats :D |
| 17:17.49 | durcyn | shoulda used Canadackis |
| 17:17.58 | nicoli_s | come on ackis, you got multiple copies, gimmeh! |
| 17:18.37 | Ackis | I sold my second actually |
| 17:18.44 | nicoli_s | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 17:19.15 | olafski | good work ackiski |
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| 17:25.45 | Dhevna | good morning |
| 17:25.49 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=60518 <- lol |
| 17:26.52 | Dhevna | lol spell |
| 17:28.43 | Lunessa | cog|away: http://ihasahotdog.com/2010/05/03/funny-dog-pictures-fernando/ |
| 17:29.21 | Dhevna | I have a question. It is possible to hide and show unprotected frames and protected frames with a single click in a click template button even in combat? or this makes the unprotected panels to taint code? |
| 17:30.06 | cog|away | abbalicious |
| 17:30.26 | Antiarc | You should be able to have both a secure handler and a posthook for the insecure stuff |
| 17:31.03 | Adys | http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2010/05/beta-channel-update.html |
| 17:32.13 | Dhevna | uhm that would complicate things, I have a handler that hides or show some frame references but when it's time to show to the protected frame, it doesn't show until combat is out |
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| 18:08.26 | Ackis | anyone watch the simpsons on sunday? |
| 18:09.17 | nicoli_s | i did |
| 18:09.27 | nicoli_s | i hated the fuck out of that intro, but the episode was pretty funny |
| 18:09.31 | nevcairiel | i have it still sitting on my disc |
| 18:09.35 | nevcairiel | dont spoil it! |
| 18:09.50 | nicoli_s | the intro will make you want to slit your wrists |
| 18:09.51 | olafski | if you also still have family guy on your disk, remove it |
| 18:09.58 | nevcairiel | dont watch that |
| 18:10.04 | nicoli_s | unless you are the kind of person who likes pop stars named Kei$ha |
| 18:10.10 | nicoli_s | i liked the family guy |
| 18:10.10 | olafski | I do :( but this week's FG was a horrible waste of time P: |
| 18:10.11 | olafski | :P* |
| 18:10.18 | olafski | oh.. well I didn't :P |
| 18:10.25 | nicoli_s | would have preffered an american dad though |
| 18:10.27 | Ackis | what was the song from the intro nicoli_s? I've only listened to the parody version of it |
| 18:10.34 | nicoli_s | no clue ackis |
| 18:10.45 | nicoli_s | it just made me sick to my stomach with its poppiness |
| 18:11.08 | Ackis | Kesha Tik-Tok |
| 18:11.30 | nicoli_s | hey you forgot the $ in her name |
| 18:11.37 | nicoli_s | dont you dare treat her like that! |
| 18:11.38 | Ackis | oh |
| 18:11.43 | Ackis | I don't even know who she is |
| 18:11.46 | nicoli_s | lol me neither |
| 18:11.59 | nicoli_s | i just know she has a cheesy dollar sign in her name |
| 18:14.05 | Dhevna | I think the intro is a simple temporal event |
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| 18:15.06 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndRxGeGZLt0 |
| 18:15.08 | Ackis | that's the intro |
| 18:15.11 | nicoli_s | i would hope so |
| 18:15.12 | Ackis | (mirrored) |
| 18:16.02 | Dhevna | It was from the fox rocks event, I'm pretty sure they didn't replaced forever |
| 18:16.45 | Lunessa | http://learnfrommyfail.com/2010/05/03/fail-story-lfmf-learn-from-facially-invalids-fail/ |
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| 18:18.33 | Ackis | http://twitpic.com/1l0hf3 http://twitpic.com/1l0hob |
| 18:19.10 | Fisker | same rules for twitter Ackis |
| 18:20.44 | Ackis | Fisker: snow |
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| 18:31.08 | Zyn | snooooow |
| 18:31.11 | Zyn | had that this morning |
| 18:31.14 | Zyn | fukken everywhere |
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| 18:50.26 | Lunessa | http://www.slate.com/id/2252141/pagenum/all/ - I love how this article neglects a very key point - size of geographical area to cover. |
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| 19:00.48 | robotusch | Fisker |
| 19:00.55 | robotusch | http://mmad.dk/Berlin/P1000231.JPG cheeky durid is cheeky :( |
| 19:03.57 | Adys | I need your opinions |
| 19:04.08 | Lopeppeppy | Outlook not good. |
| 19:04.23 | Adys | for a talent calculator, what's the best url: "/utils/tc/", "/utils/tals/", "/utils/talentcalc/", "/utils/talents/" |
| 19:04.32 | ZorbaBeta | lunessa, it doesn't really apply to the US major cities, though |
| 19:04.43 | ZorbaBeta | and those are still way, way, way below European standards |
| 19:04.56 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: This is also true. I didn't dismiss the article, just that it misses a big point. |
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| 19:05.25 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, Bumfuck Wyoming, sure, that's going to suck, but: Manhattan has no excuse. :) |
| 19:06.28 | Lunessa | I have broadband in most of my home city - Houston. But not everyone does in all of it. And 10 years ago there were lots of places you couldn't get it because the infrastructure still wasn't built. |
| 19:06.34 | Maldivia | Adys: E: all of the above? |
| 19:06.52 | Adys | Maldivia: Ill have all of them working, I just want to know which is best for canonical |
| 19:07.05 | Maldivia | Adys: talents |
| 19:07.18 | ZorbaBeta | actually, y'know what, the size of geographical area argument doesn't hold up at all |
| 19:07.23 | ZorbaBeta | "Finland is striving for universal 100 Mbps availability by 2015" |
| 19:07.32 | Maldivia | Adys: talentcalc is too long, tals is weird, and tc - well, that can be anything |
| 19:07.36 | ZorbaBeta | US population density: 83/mi^2 |
| 19:07.42 | ZorbaBeta | Finland population density: 41/mi^2 |
| 19:07.43 | Adys | it could be Thunder_Child |
| 19:07.44 | Adys | :( |
| 19:08.27 | ZorbaBeta | if they can pull it off, so could we. |
| 19:08.56 | zenzelezz | Adys: /utils/madskills/ |
| 19:09.10 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: no, that links to druids |
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| 19:10.33 | zenzelezz | Tungsten Beta then |
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| 19:37.04 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: Cable/Fiber still needs to be laid. *shrug* |
| 19:37.59 | ZorbaBeta | per capita, it's not not any tougher to do in America than it is in Finland. |
| 19:38.06 | ZorbaBeta | (remove one of those not's) |
| 19:38.16 | Lunessa | I speak fluent typonese. |
| 19:38.30 | ZorbaBeta | an important skill on irc. :) |
| 19:39.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: i can think of one reason it's tougher to do it in america |
| 19:40.25 | Lunessa | I still think geography plays a role. And that it shouldn't be glossed over. I also think other factors are at play that the article ignores. I heard the same sort of commentary about how Japan and Germany did 'everything' better in the 80s. |
| 19:40.41 | NightHawkTheSane | the stranglehold corporate interests & greed have over the government, and innovation |
| 19:43.09 | ZorbaBeta | lunessa, I think it plays a role, but I don't think it excuses the huge disparity. if the US were lagging behind a little, sure, but what we have right now is just massively behind. |
| 19:43.29 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: I didn't claim it did. I just said it ignored it entirely. |
| 19:43.30 | ZorbaBeta | bumfuck wyoming, sure, but there's no non-political reason for any medium-sized US town to be behind bumfuck Finland. |
| 19:44.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: and that's just one example where the US is really lagging, technologically speaking |
| 19:44.09 | ZorbaBeta | true, but I'm not really sure it deserved to be mentioned. "Your cars get ten MPG less than the equivalent by the other company, why is that?" "oh, well, we apply an extra layer of paint" |
| 19:45.10 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* I dont think any one issue exists in a vaccuum |
| 19:47.59 | Dashkal | Must find wiki that probably cannot be mentioned in this channel due to NDA... |
| 19:48.43 | Gnarfoz | <Lunessa> I still think geography plays a role. [...] I heard the same sort of commentary about how Japan and Germany did 'everything' better in the 80s. <-- Germany certainly did nothing very good in terms of fiber or cable. (not sure what the article was about anyway) |
| 19:49.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think his comment regarding germany/japan was strictly related to cable/internet |
| 19:49.57 | NightHawkTheSane | merely the sentiment that existed then of "well, everythings better in germany" |
| 19:49.59 | Gnarfoz | yeah, not sure what it was about, I just read it that way ^^ |
| 19:50.14 | NightHawkTheSane | compared to the similar sentiment today of "europe does everything better" |
| 19:50.18 | Gnarfoz | well, I was born in '84, so of COURSE we did everything better then, including my birth! ^^ |
| 19:50.22 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: In the 80s, nearly every business article was about how Germany or Japan did tech right, jobs growth right, and how the US did nothing right. It's a drum I hear pounded a lot, and I think it's always wrong to claim that everything is wrong by looking at something though a single lens. |
| 19:51.00 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, here. Finland's GDP is 273 billion dollars, 51k per capita. Its area is 131 km^2 and its population is 5.3 million. Meanwhile, New Jersey's GDP is 474 billion dollars, 54.5k per capita. Its area is 27 km^2 and its population is 8.7 million. |
| 19:51.13 | ZorbaBeta | I see no reason why New Jersey should have less broadband than Finland. |
| 19:51.23 | Lopeppeppy | I do. *giggle snark* |
| 19:51.24 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: aha, hm. Of course I didn't read newspapers in the 1980's, and then it would have been German newspapers who probably wouldn't have that drum in them anyway |
| 19:51.31 | ZorbaBeta | okay besides the fact that it's New Jersey |
| 19:51.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i agree, like i said before, you can't look at this stuff in a vaccuum. And i certainly don't have the expertise to comment on anything pre-mid-90's.. I think there are valid cases to be made for some similar sentiment these days |
| 19:51.40 | ZorbaBeta | but my point is that they have more people, making more money, packed into a tighter area |
| 19:51.49 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: *nod* I'm older than you... just a bit. :P |
| 19:52.05 | ZorbaBeta | there's no excuse, besides politics. |
| 19:52.08 | durcyn | counterpoint: finland doesn't smell like garbage. |
| 19:52.32 | ZorbaBeta | pick New York State instead if you want, it's a bit larger than Finland but has *vastly* more people and GDP ;) |
| 19:52.36 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: it's so cold you can't smell anything, because your nose is frozen! |
| 19:52.43 | ZorbaBeta | (I had some trouble finding a state where all the numbers were strictly better) |
| 19:52.47 | Lunessa | For network penetration, I agree that things could be better. I just don't think the article raised all right points and so it doesn't make it's point like it should. |
| 19:52.55 | zenzelezz | so I still can't watch CSI an not think "WTF, Morpheus?" |
| 19:54.20 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: "Mo' money, mo' money, mo' money!" |
| 19:54.44 | zenzelezz | ..? |
| 19:55.56 | Lopeppeppy | no whammies? |
| 19:56.29 | zenzelezz | whammies? |
| 19:58.12 | Dashkal | Big Monney Big Money No whammies! |
| 19:58.42 | zenzelezz | blinks |
| 19:58.48 | Lopeppeppy | Stop! |
| 19:59.00 | nicoli_s | Go!\ |
| 19:59.10 | nicoli_s | man i will never be used to this damn keyboard |
| 19:59.51 | zenzelezz | I'm sure you're trying to tell me something, but it's not registering |
| 20:00.02 | Dashkal | zenzelezz: Old game show: 'Press your luck' |
| 20:00.25 | zenzelezz | say what? |
| 20:00.36 | Dashkal | Google 'Press your luck' and it should become clear. |
| 20:00.41 | Dashkal | or perhaps youtube |
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| 20:01.48 | zenzelezz | will that tell me what "mo' money" and whammies has to do with Laurence Fishbourne? |
| 20:02.16 | Lopeppeppy | Free Association Peppy Crazy Talk. |
| 20:02.25 | Adys | anyone living in the UK able to advise me on what the good ISPs are? |
| 20:02.25 | Lopeppeppy | I had my Geek License revoked today, I'm depressed and random. |
| 20:02.43 | durcyn | fishburne was obviously in Its A Wondeful Life. |
| 20:04.31 | zenzelezz | what does "It's a wonderful life" have to do with "mo' money"? |
| 20:05.29 | Lopeppeppy | Ketsup |
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| 20:05.55 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: the former requires the latter? |
| 20:06.42 | zenzelezz | ... what? |
| 20:07.23 | zenzelezz | I'm utterly confuzzled |
| 20:08.08 | Lopeppeppy | Sweetie. We're being random. I promise. |
| 20:09.38 | Shirik | when are we not being random? |
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| 20:12.20 | cog|away | when we're being pseudorandom |
| 20:13.27 | zenzelezz | I'm hardly ever random... I'm utterly predictable |
| 20:14.07 | cog|away | LOL U SAYD DIC |
| 20:15.26 | Lopeppeppy | *gasp* Mine innocent ears. |
| 20:16.30 | DWSR | Purple monkies in a dishwasher. |
| 20:18.30 | durcyn | mistake of the day: running yum update an a redhat 4 box that's 3 years out of date |
| 20:18.56 | nevcairiel | do they really push that many changes in such an old distro? |
| 20:19.11 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, I want a purple monkey |
| 20:19.27 | durcyn | i had to switch it over to CentOS to even get new RPMs, it's currently at 152 of 928 |
| 20:19.51 | nevcairiel | now a 3 year old gentoo box, you probably wont be able to upgrade without manual fixings |
| 20:20.05 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: spank one and it may go purple |
| 20:20.57 | durcyn | don't even get me started on gentoo's upgrade path fuckups. |
| 20:21.25 | nevcairiel | just learn to upgrade at least once every few month, and you re fine |
| 20:21.41 | durcyn | they seem to go through this cycle of pissing off every skilled developer that wants to help the project, resulting in half the tree languishing in bitrot for extended periods |
| 20:22.00 | durcyn | my version-bump overlay is growing daily |
| 20:22.26 | nevcairiel | i only bump stuff when i actually need something |
| 20:22.32 | nevcairiel | which is like a handful of packages |
| 20:24.00 | nevcairiel | i thought about joining gentoo to help once, but i'm more of a software developer then a package maintainer :d |
| 20:24.34 | durcyn | the standard open source project bureaucracy bloat applies i guess, but reading some of the bugzilla flamewars over there is discouraging |
| 20:24.34 | zenzelezz | just you wait, one day that desire will emerge |
| 20:26.18 | DWSR | That's what she said? |
| 20:27.19 | zenzelezz | did the pun not work? I was under the impression Gentoo was all about emerge |
| 20:27.40 | DWSR | zenzelezz: No, I got it. |
| 20:27.46 | DWSR | zenzelezz: I also made a that's what she said |
| 20:27.48 | nevcairiel | I didnt feel like giving you credit for it |
| 20:28.20 | zenzelezz | "that's what she said" is too boring, you just put it after anything |
| 20:28.41 | zenzelezz | though in the case of my statement it made more sense than most times it's used |
| 20:30.34 | durcyn | nevcairiel: my favorite part is pulling packages from a binhost with keyutils installed to a client without, breaking ssh, wget, curl, and anything else you could possibly hope to use to fix it, since for some reason they all compile against it if present, without USE flags or RDEPENDs set |
| 20:30.37 | Lunessa | "that's what she said" is too boring, you just put it after anything, "that's what she said." |
| 20:30.50 | nevcairiel | durcyn: i never used bins |
| 20:31.09 | durcyn | nevcairiel: there are ... caveats. |
| 20:31.20 | nevcairiel | i even compile on my 6 year old laptop |
| 20:31.26 | nevcairiel | openoffice took like 16 hours |
| 20:31.27 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:31.49 | durcyn | openoffice is a godamn beast |
| 20:34.53 | Gnarfoz | worse or better than kde? |
| 20:35.15 | nevcairiel | its been years since i compiled a complete kde |
| 20:35.19 | A-KO | open office is teh suck |
| 20:35.20 | nevcairiel | dont use it, dont want it |
| 20:35.31 | DWSR | Compiling a complete KDE only took me like 6 hours on a 455MhZ |
| 20:35.33 | DWSR | MHz* |
| 20:35.34 | Gnarfoz | A-KO: if you don't wanna spend on MS office, it's fine |
| 20:35.54 | Gnarfoz | also, google docs, if you can live with google reading everything |
| 20:35.55 | zenzelezz | XBMC seemed to take a long time too, but nowhere near 16 hours |
| 20:35.57 | nevcairiel | i have a i7 now anyway, compiling on it is mega fast :d |
| 20:36.09 | A-KO | considering office 2003 and above is more than enough for 99% of people, I would say it's a worthwhile investment until the application physically stops working |
| 20:36.11 | DWSR | You using -j 4? |
| 20:36.18 | nevcairiel | -j10 |
| 20:36.22 | zenzelezz | it's so fast nevcairiel doesn't keep his binaries anymore, he recompiles every time |
| 20:36.25 | DWSR | O.o? |
| 20:36.36 | Gnarfoz | A-KO: OOo is more than enough for 99% of people, too and it's free. ;) |
| 20:36.48 | DWSR | OOo is the shittiest acronym for OpenOffice. |
| 20:36.51 | DWSR | OO.org |
| 20:36.55 | DWSR | OO.o |
| 20:36.55 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: it's the official one ;p |
| 20:36.56 | A-KO | but it doesn't fully work properly :P the interface is clunky as hell, and it's so dated it's not even funny. |
| 20:36.57 | DWSR | NOT OOo |
| 20:36.58 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: why would he use 4 |
| 20:37.00 | nevcairiel | it does have 8 threads, and due to imperfections in the scheduler, you should always over-commit your system |
| 20:37.08 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Yeah. |
| 20:37.09 | durcyn | no, fuck openoffice. let's take the worst parts of MS Office and shovel them into a fetid pile of java gobshite. |
| 20:37.13 | zenzelezz | abbreviating OpenOffice.org is so painful I just write out OpenOffice |
| 20:37.15 | A-KO | haha durcyn exactly |
| 20:37.18 | Gnarfoz | A-KO: clunky? it emulates MS office pre 2007. |
| 20:37.19 | durcyn | google docs forever. |
| 20:37.25 | A-KO | Gnarfoz: exactly, clunky |
| 20:37.36 | Gnarfoz | you were just saying 2003 was fine for nearly everyone |
| 20:37.36 | nevcairiel | I actually like the new UI of 2007/2010 |
| 20:37.37 | A-KO | Ribbon > * |
| 20:37.42 | A-KO | same nevcairiel |
| 20:37.43 | Gnarfoz | so please decide on either. ;p |
| 20:37.55 | nevcairiel | work still has office xp |
| 20:37.57 | nevcairiel | cry :( |
| 20:38.13 | Gnarfoz | goes back to making a decision-helping matrix in google docs |
| 20:38.15 | nevcairiel | except outlook, thats 2003, guess xp didnt work with their exchange anymore :p |
| 20:38.26 | Gnarfoz | looking for apartments sucks :< |
| 20:38.40 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: go homeless |
| 20:39.02 | durcyn | grow a beard, change your name to richard stallman, call it "open source housing" |
| 20:39.03 | A-KO | Office licensed for 3 PCs (Home & Student) is $120 |
| 20:39.04 | A-KO | that's not bad |
| 20:39.05 | A-KO | $40/PC |
| 20:39.14 | A-KO | that's a hell of a deal, you just don't get Outlook :P |
| 20:39.17 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: same problem right now .. all the good ones want proof of a steady income by 3 month income reports or something, but i'm new in the job, so dont have those .. sucks .. dont want to wait :P |
| 20:39.26 | durcyn | A-KO: i'd pay extra to not get outlook, so. |
| 20:39.33 | A-KO | I rather like Outlook |
| 20:39.39 | olafski | hey cool can I join the club nevcairiel? |
| 20:39.41 | olafski | been having the same issue |
| 20:39.44 | nevcairiel | I stopped using outlook |
| 20:39.49 | nevcairiel | all i use now is my phone and gmail web |
| 20:40.27 | nevcairiel | olafski: at least the problem will solve itself in 2 month or so |
| 20:40.43 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: beard foundations present, just need to stop shaving for a long time. name changes are not that easy in germany, sadly, aaaand being homeless rather sucks, lack of money and such |
| 20:41.00 | nevcairiel | You can have money and be homeless |
| 20:41.03 | nevcairiel | by choice, etc. |
| 20:41.06 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 20:41.13 | Gnarfoz | but you don't earn money being homeless, if you don't have much to start with |
| 20:41.27 | nevcairiel | You can also earn money, and sitll be homeless |
| 20:41.31 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: it's worse for me, I finally got a job (my first one, actually, yay) and it's in Baden-Baden (and I live in Hannover right now) |
| 20:41.35 | nevcairiel | is having a home required to work? |
| 20:41.41 | Gnarfoz | some places, it is |
| 20:41.41 | olafski | nevcairiel: they don't need those statements here.. they just want me to earn 4x the monthy rent |
| 20:41.58 | nevcairiel | olafski: that wouldnt be my problem, i have the money, i just lack the paper :P |
| 20:42.06 | olafski | given that most non-crappy looking apartments cost about 800 a month I can't afford that just yet |
| 20:42.11 | olafski | but my parents cut me a deal :) |
| 20:42.17 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: yeah i'm on my first real job too, but at least i dont have to move |
| 20:42.29 | nevcairiel | well not far anyway |
| 20:42.39 | olafski | my first real job starts in 2 months :D |
| 20:42.40 | nevcairiel | want a new place closer to work anyway |
| 20:43.45 | Gnarfoz | problem: I start on the 17th |
| 20:43.54 | Gnarfoz | don't have a place to stay, yet :D |
| 20:44.10 | nevcairiel | is baden-baden by choice or lack of alternatives? |
| 20:44.14 | A-KO | I live about 15 minutes drive from work on a good day |
| 20:44.15 | Gnarfoz | or rather, not decided on one, yet. made a rather exhausting trip down there yesterday |
| 20:44.17 | A-KO | longer than that in traffic |
| 20:44.20 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: the latter |
| 20:44.23 | A-KO | so I get to work early and leave early |
| 20:44.38 | nevcairiel | Its like 1:15 for me, door to door |
| 20:44.45 | nevcairiel | wish it would be just :15 |
| 20:44.51 | nevcairiel | 2 hours more time for sleep |
| 20:44.52 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:44.58 | Gnarfoz | by car or bus/tram/s-bahn? ^^ |
| 20:45.10 | nevcairiel | bahn and s-bahn :p |
| 20:45.10 | olafski | nevcairiel: what kind of job did you get? |
| 20:45.23 | nevcairiel | actually, i lied |
| 20:45.26 | nevcairiel | bahn and u-bahn |
| 20:45.43 | nevcairiel | olafski: web application developer |
| 20:45.47 | olafski | mkay |
| 20:46.10 | olafski | is it rude if I ask how much work experience you have and approximately how much you're going to earn? I like to get a feel for these numbers.. =) |
| 20:46.16 | nevcairiel | for vattenfall europe, at least a name people know, might sound good on paper later :D |
| 20:46.24 | olafski | hm I don't know the name :( |
| 20:47.10 | olafski | can answer in pm or not at all of course if you like :P |
| 20:47.34 | nevcairiel | vattenfall owns nuon, if you know them |
| 20:48.03 | olafski | I do know those :P |
| 20:49.10 | olafski | so a power company has its own web developers? I would've thought they outsourced such things |
| 20:49.12 | nevcairiel | and actual work experience, maybe 2 years including the 6 month internship i did with them, fresh out of university now |
| 20:49.26 | olafski | hm, that's 2 years more than me ;) |
| 20:49.42 | olafski | I did do an internship but I'd hardly consider that work experience |
| 20:49.45 | A-KO | I've worked at the same company for 5 years now :P moved up the chain, slowly |
| 20:49.48 | nevcairiel | yeah, we have a whole sub-company for that, vattenfall europe information services |
| 20:49.55 | olafski | ah, nice :) |
| 20:50.23 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: eh, if it was real work, it counts as real work experience :P |
| 20:51.38 | nevcairiel | and i get about ~3100 gross |
| 20:51.53 | NightHawkTheSane | man, tomcat needs to not puke if i try to stop it when it's /ALREADY STOPPED/ >< |
| 20:52.43 | durcyn | you need to use their WELL WRITTEN and SYSV-INIT COMPLIANT shutdown.sh script, sir. |
| 20:53.02 | nevcairiel | kill -9 ? |
| 20:53.02 | nevcairiel | :D |
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| 20:53.25 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: ... i am :P |
| 20:53.33 | NightHawkTheSane | oh wait, that was sarcasm, wasnt it :P |
| 20:53.44 | durcyn | you can tell by the capital letters. |
| 20:54.06 | nevcairiel | i always have to forecfully kill the tomcat hosting our development opentext CMS server, for some reason it wont gracefully shut down, and its not my job to figure out why, so shrug |
| 20:54.10 | nevcairiel | killing here it goes! |
| 20:54.15 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: see, thats the thing, it was already stopped, there was NO tomcat procses running |
| 20:54.30 | NightHawkTheSane | their shutdown script puked up a java error, because it couldn't connect to the non-existent process :P |
| 20:54.47 | durcyn | you need to rm -rf the pidfile too, obviously. |
| 20:55.12 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, no, there was no pidfile, as when i tried -force it told me there wasn't one :P |
| 20:55.37 | NightHawkTheSane | see, the shutdown script actually works properly, the first time you run it. if you run it when tomcat's not actually running, it gets oh so confused :p |
| 20:55.50 | nevcairiel | but why would you do that? |
| 20:56.03 | NightHawkTheSane | because i forgot that i stopped it like two hours ago? :P |
| 20:56.18 | nevcairiel | also why cant it just work like every other process and use the signals |
| 20:56.41 | olafski | nevcairiel: damn that's a whole lot more than me =) |
| 20:56.43 | NightHawkTheSane | because its terrible, and written in java? oh wait, that's redundant. |
| 20:56.59 | durcyn | java is proof positive that time travel is impossible |
| 20:57.18 | nevcairiel | eh, java hasnt been terrible by design for a few years now, shush you :p |
| 20:57.19 | durcyn | because someone would go back in time and prevent that shit from being written in the first place |
| 20:57.44 | olafski | ahh java hate.. makes me feel superior ;) |
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| 20:58.06 | durcyn | what was the quote? "Saying java is good because it works on all platforms is like saying anal sex is good because it works on all genders" |
| 20:58.57 | Shirik | this is sweet |
| 20:59.00 | Shirik | ~wiki Marina dolina |
| 20:59.25 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: I know, i'm just annoyed at tomcat in general :P |
| 20:59.29 | olafski | java is good just for windows, durcyn ;) |
| 21:00.12 | nevcairiel | Do people actually bring up the all platforms thing for java still? |
| 21:00.19 | olafski | doesn't need platform independence to be good |
| 21:00.23 | olafski | no clue :P |
| 21:00.26 | nevcairiel | I mean these days with scripting languages around etc |
| 21:00.46 | olafski | I just shrug when people say java sucks :P or giggle |
| 21:01.07 | nevcairiel | If i were to hate java, i would go insane, its all i do all day! |
| 21:02.26 | nevcairiel | anyway, off to bed with me |
| 21:02.39 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: well, the all platforms thing applies just as much to any language as it does to java. if your app looks like shit on the platform, it looks like shit. |
| 21:02.58 | nevcairiel | i guess people just quote that because a .jar just works |
| 21:03.00 | NightHawkTheSane | java just got the brunt of it because it was one of the first truely cross-platform languages |
| 21:03.02 | nevcairiel | no recompiling and stuff |
| 21:03.22 | nevcairiel | but yeah, swing UIs are just so ugly |
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| 21:03.37 | nevcairiel | use a native toolkit already :( |
| 21:03.51 | nevcairiel | anyway, zzzZZ |
| 21:03.53 | NightHawkTheSane | night :) |
| 21:05.46 | Kraps | http://gameslatest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/KdhF3AhwjOcq-1024x640.jpg |
| 21:06.30 | haste | http://i.imgur.com/kjoa0.jpg |
| 21:06.34 | haste | (related!) |
| 21:07.30 | Kraps | whaaaat |
| 21:07.52 | olafski | punchline could probably have been better haste :( |
| 21:08.01 | Kraps | ^ |
| 21:08.21 | A-KO | oh this never gets old |
| 21:08.24 | A-KO | portal trickery in Dalaran |
| 21:08.25 | haste | blame the author, not me :( |
| 21:10.30 | NightHawkTheSane | is it a good thing or a bad thing when my pandora playlists just play music i already have.... |
| 21:10.58 | haste | I would say bad, but I usually listen to... awkward stuff |
| 21:11.20 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: you like the music you listen to |
| 21:11.28 | Kraps | i dont see a problem |
| 21:16.43 | Shirik | lmao |
| 21:16.48 | Shirik | this is why I love open source projects |
| 21:16.52 | Shirik | Caught a SIGINT signal, killing all the children. |
| 21:16.53 | Shirik | Killing child 25171... |
| 21:16.53 | Shirik | Killing 25165. Oh crap! THAT'S ME. SUICIDE! |
| 21:16.53 | Shirik | Killed |
| 21:17.04 | Shirik | You would never see that in a professional application |
| 21:17.12 | Cide | lol |
| 21:17.15 | Cide | that's awesome |
| 21:18.27 | Kraps | WHAT THE FAIL i forgot to turn in the weekly raid yesterday |
| 21:19.00 | Shirik | FAIL |
| 21:21.38 | Adys | Shirik: reminded me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBqkvyT-uZQ for some reason |
| 21:21.44 | Adys | (first 15 seconds) |
| 21:24.17 | haste | screen comes to mind: Suddenly the Dungeon collapses!! - You die... |
| 21:27.08 | Shirik | Adys, are you evil? |
| 21:28.08 | Adys | maybee |
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| 21:29.31 | Kraps | i'll never understand AV |
| 21:30.57 | Shirik | It's very simple |
| 21:31.00 | Shirik | don't kill anyone |
| 21:31.07 | Shirik | just rush to the end, kill boss before other team kill boss |
| 21:31.19 | Shirik | I mean, what else would you expect in a PvP battleground? |
| 21:31.35 | Kraps | ha |
| 21:34.23 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702150564&sid=1 |
| 21:34.27 | Adys | that is so incredibly lame |
| 21:34.36 | Adys | "cba to fix something that is only up for 3 days more" |
| 21:34.56 | Kraps | like when does capture/destroy/control happen? |
| 21:35.13 | Adys | Kraps: what do you mean "when"? |
| 21:35.57 | Kraps | sometimes things are captured sometimes destroyed |
| 21:36.08 | Xyphoid | towers get destroyed, gys get captured |
| 21:36.09 | Adys | graveyards are captured |
| 21:36.11 | Adys | towers are destroyed |
| 21:36.16 | Adys | each after 5 mins |
| 21:37.05 | Kraps | the more your side captures/destroys the more reinforcements you get? |
| 21:37.57 | Xyphoid | destroying things reduces the other team's reinforcements |
| 21:38.09 | Xyphoid | and dropping towers makes the end boss easier |
| 21:38.34 | olafski | for every tower / bunker you destroy, the final boss loses one add and one buff |
| 21:38.39 | olafski | (and the other adds lose a buff too) |
| 21:39.04 | Xyphoid | you can get more reinforcements by capping mines, but they come back so slowly it's irrelevant usually |
| 21:39.20 | olafski | if you kill balinda or that horde lieutenant you get a temporary buff and the enemy loses resources |
| 21:39.39 | olafski | and you can rescue wing commanders who can do bombing runs but battles generally don't last that long =) |
| 21:39.51 | olafski | .. and you can summon some kind of big elemental and battles never last that long either |
| 21:39.55 | Mihau | Adys: So that is why I can not take that stupid quest. D: |
| 21:40.57 | Kraps | heard about the elementals |
| 21:41.28 | Mihau | They have this issue every time is happens with this type of quest. Yet it continues to be too bad, wait until next year when we fix it. Thus pushing it back further until one can finish achievement. |
| 21:42.46 | Mihau | Maybe I am wrong about that. :O |
| 21:43.02 | Xyphoid | haha does that mean if you didn't finish it last year you can't do achievements this year |
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| 21:43.26 | olafski | unlikely |
| 21:43.33 | olafski | you can do them with the stormwind/shattrath orphans too |
| 21:43.39 | Xyphoid | ah, okay |
| 21:44.18 | Mihau | Double checked, you can still finish Veteran Nanny with that quest broken. |
| 21:44.52 | Mihau | However, for me, I will have to wait two years to finish and $360 in subscription fees to get those two pets. |
| 21:45.05 | Mihau | Assuming the quest is still doable when Cataclysm comes out. |
| 21:45.22 | olafski | $360? |
| 21:45.30 | olafski | why not just one month next year and one month the year after :) |
| 21:45.34 | Mihau | Reality sucks when being a customer of Blizzard. :P |
| 21:46.06 | Mihau | is insane customer, does not have to make sense, and is ENTITLED! |
| 21:46.13 | olafski | "ohnoes I'm paying $130 just to get the brewfest achievement!" |
| 21:47.35 | Mihau | OH NOES! |
| 21:48.26 | A-KO | So I wonder how long until Blizzard gates every boss in a dungeon |
| 21:48.34 | Mihau | Gates? |
| 21:48.37 | A-KO | a lot of groups skip bosses these days (H-UP, for example) |
| 21:48.57 | Kraps | massive QQ? |
| 21:48.58 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont expect they'll do it for 5-mans |
| 21:49.11 | Mihau | I understand why they they put an invisible barrier up in Magister's Terrace to keep you from jumping down. |
| 21:49.40 | A-KO | I dunno, I don't necessarily forsee myself playing WoW for too much longer |
| 21:49.45 | Xyphoid | the new BRD will make you do every boss in order |
| 21:49.47 | Xyphoid | ENJOY |
| 21:49.48 | A-KO | Cataclysm might be it for me unless they significantly change the game style |
| 21:49.53 | A-KO | I enjoyed BRD |
| 21:49.55 | A-KO | and LBRS |
| 21:49.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Xyphoid: what IS the order? :P |
| 21:50.00 | A-KO | back in the day |
| 21:50.07 | Xyphoid | BRD is my fave too yeah |
| 21:50.33 | A-KO | See, a lot of people say "Most of us don't have much time ot play!" but for the entire time that WoW started up, the dungeons were long, the raids were tough, and the game was growing in vast numbers. |
| 21:50.45 | Xyphoid | the official order is jail area, roccor, houndmaster, ring of law through fineous, incendius, bael'gar, through the door, general, and onwards |
| 21:50.48 | Xyphoid | i have spoken |
| 21:50.52 | A-KO | In fact, I would say a vast majority of WoW's growth without massive advertising has been during the vanilla days |
| 21:51.28 | A-KO | the only reason it gew during the TBC years and all was due to RAF, the massive advertising done, etc. |
| 21:51.44 | A-KO | I don't really think dungeons and raids have had anything to do with customer growth or retainment |
| 21:51.57 | A-KO | which is interesting |
| 21:53.01 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont think the growth is related to dungeons, but I think it's incorrect to say that the massive numbers of new players that joined since TBC have the same expectations of the game that vanilla players did, who were probably more used to everquest |
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| 21:53.44 | A-KO | I never played an MMORPG before WoW for any extended period of time, and in fact never played EQ or any derivative. The most I got into any MMO was Earth & Beyond during its beta |
| 21:54.09 | A-KO | never played any RPGs either, no LARPing, etc. |
| 21:54.11 | A-KO | lol |
| 21:54.24 | A-KO | well, I take that back, I played some stuff like Final Fantasy, but never got into D&D, etc. |
| 21:56.06 | A-KO | I think WoW's success has more to do with a whole lot of basic things I would say completely unrelated to quest design and raiding |
| 21:56.08 | A-KO | nothing high level |
| 21:56.22 | A-KO | I'd still rate the "feel" of the game to be #1 :P |
| 21:57.49 | Kraps | RP is so awesome |
| 21:58.20 | Kraps | i have a level 9 pally on moonguard |
| 21:58.27 | Shirik | RP? |
| 21:58.30 | Shirik | oh |
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| 22:04.46 | Thrae | Can someone try private messaging me? |
| 22:05.37 | Kraps | [06:05:28]===Thrae is in +g mode (server-side ignore.) |
| 22:05.39 | Kraps | [06:05:29]===Thrae has been informed that you messaged them. |
| 22:05.54 | Thrae | Kraps: Good. Now lemme try messaging you. |
| 22:06.11 | Thrae | Kraps: Now try messaging me back. |
| 22:06.30 | Kraps | still in +g |
| 22:06.49 | Thrae | Kraps: Yeah I know, but my script should have auto-accepted you...dammit |
| 22:08.01 | Thrae | Kraps: Thanks, I'll ask in #irssi and see if they have any tips. |
| 22:11.27 | Shirik | (18:11:12) Thrae  -⺠Thrae is away (SCREEN DETACHED.) |
| 22:11.28 | Shirik | Thrae is in +g mode (server-side ignore.) |
| 22:11.28 | Shirik | Thrae has been informed that you messaged them. |
| 22:11.38 | Shirik | (18:11:31)  -⺠[notice from Thrae]: I'm sorry, but I'm away (SCREEN DETACHED.) |
| 22:11.44 | Shirik | are 4 messages really necessary? :P |
| 22:13.04 | Thrae | Shirik: I'm working on that too |
| 22:15.00 | Fisker | Ackis |
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| 22:15.20 | Fisker | Ackis |
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| 22:23.17 | durcyn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oarMXGq3gI google needs to make more ads. |
| 22:25.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: well, two of those are from the server, yeah? |
| 22:27.19 | Cairenn | http://www.theonion.com/articles/supreme-court-upholds-freedom-of-speech-in-obsceni,17372/ |
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| 22:28.57 | Fisker | i disagree durcyn |
| 22:30.18 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:30.19 | Adys | where are the class icons in the game files? |
| 22:33.04 | Shirik | oh reginald! |
| 22:33.05 | Shirik | I DISAGREE |
| 22:34.43 | Fisker | btw Adys |
| 22:35.01 | Fisker | actually nevermind |
| 22:35.06 | Fisker | could only find the deathknight one i think |
| 22:36.11 | Shirik | hey cog|away |
| 22:36.13 | Shirik | you around? |
| 22:36.15 | cog|away | no |
| 22:36.19 | Shirik | I have an extremely esoteric C++ question |
| 22:36.20 | cog|away | <.< |
| 22:36.41 | Shirik | Let us say I have a function foo() that returns an IInterface<T> |
| 22:37.03 | Shirik | rather, I have a function template <class T> IInterface<T> foo() |
| 22:37.23 | cog|away | i compiled that correctly =) |
| 22:37.33 | Shirik | IInterface<T> has a function bar(T v) |
| 22:37.53 | Shirik | Normally to use foo() you'd have to do something like foo<int>() because its type cannot be inferred |
| 22:38.01 | Shirik | however it turns out MSVC is letting me do something like this: |
| 22:38.02 | kd3 | damn it... that wasn't the email from blizz I wanted |
| 22:38.04 | kd3 | sighs |
| 22:38.11 | Shirik | int i; foo().bar(i); |
| 22:38.16 | Shirik | Do you think this is standard? |
| 22:38.25 | Shirik | I thought I had to do foo<int>().bar(i) |
| 22:38.56 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: ? |
| 22:38.57 | Shirik | kd3 got b&? |
| 22:39.02 | cog|away | hell if i know... |
| 22:39.06 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:39.06 | kd3 | neg, another sc2 key |
| 22:39.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I got two more SC2 keys |
| 22:39.11 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:39.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Brings my total up to 4 |
| 22:39.14 | cog|away | i just figured it'll do whatever's unambiguous |
| 22:39.17 | kd3 | same |
| 22:40.10 | Fisker | btw Adys |
| 22:40.11 | Fisker | i found it |
| 22:40.29 | kd3 | ooh, findings |
| 22:40.39 | Fisker | locale-enGB.mpq -> Interface\GLUES\CHARACTERCREATE\UI-CHARACTERCREATE-CLASSES.blp |
| 22:40.45 | Adys | thanks |
| 22:40.45 | Fisker | but they're one big texture |
| 22:40.57 | Fisker | so they split it up or something i guess |
| 22:41.51 | cog|away | Shirik: seems obscure enough that you'll probably see variation among compilers regardless of the standard... |
| 22:42.14 | Shirik | I found it accidentally |
| 22:42.14 | Fisker | anyway cog|away |
| 22:42.23 | Fisker | since you got demoted as MVP i've gotten your keys instead |
| 22:42.30 | Shirik | I hit compile and then said to myself "oh wait I forgot to specify the template parameter" and then it was like "okty" |
| 22:44.54 | cog|away | i think the compiler is just supposed to do whatever it can to deduce the type. if it can, then win. otherwise fail |
| 22:45.17 | Cide | seems like it might warn you at least |
| 22:45.22 | Cide | or should rather |
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| 22:49.31 | Kraps | hey peppy! |
| 22:52.15 | Cide | std::vector<Foo> *foos = NULL; foos = new std::vector<Foo>(); // expression must be a modifiable lvalue |
| 22:52.21 | Cide | did I do something stupid? |
| 22:52.41 | Cide | oh nvm |
| 22:52.45 | Lopeppeppy | heya, Kraps. Happy Twosdaze. |
| 22:52.48 | Cide | I declared the function as const |
| 22:52.55 | industrial | Cide: UR DUM |
| 22:53.36 | industrial | say it. |
| 22:53.44 | Cide | industrial: ur dum |
| 22:53.47 | industrial | NO U |
| 22:54.28 | industrial | :) |
| 22:54.49 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
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| 22:55.34 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: you ever play on an RP realm? |
| 22:56.04 | Lopeppeppy | I prefer them, actually. |
| 22:56.04 | cog|away | Shirik: g++ doesn't seem to like it |
| 22:56.08 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, fisker-dear. |
| 22:56.24 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: which one(s)? |
| 22:56.50 | Lopeppeppy | Kirin Tor has my most active characters, when I can do more than one thing at a time. :) |
| 22:57.08 | cog|away | Kraps: she's in our guild :P |
| 22:57.19 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: Kirin Tor has no RP :/ |
| 22:57.44 | Lopeppeppy | None of them do anymore, Kraps. Sign of the deterioration of our species. |
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| 22:58.25 | Xyphoid | i'd love to play on a RP server but i'm playing with RL friends, sigh |
| 22:58.58 | Lopeppeppy | Friends over RP any day, at least. *snuggles Cog and Lunessa and Seerah and everypeople else* |
| 22:59.09 | Lunessa | :D |
| 22:59.09 | Thunder_Child | i dont see the point in RP'ing if you are not with actuall people |
| 22:59.57 | Xyphoid | you can rp by yourself |
| 22:59.59 | cog|away | Shirik: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/screenie.png |
| 23:00.02 | Thunder_Child | though i dont see the point in RP'ing in general.....much to the dismay of the people i DnD with |
| 23:00.11 | Xyphoid | it's just as legit as playing a game by yourself really |
| 23:00.47 | Lunessa | so. many. jokes. |
| 23:00.57 | Kraps | Xyphoid: just as boring too i'm guessing :p |
| 23:01.29 | Cide | more boring too I'm guessing |
| 23:01.41 | Xyphoid | single-player games aren't exactly a dying breed |
| 23:01.55 | Kraps | in wow i mean |
| 23:01.56 | Lunessa | I play a lot of single-player Civ IV |
| 23:02.02 | Thunder_Child | you donyt actually RP in a single player |
| 23:02.07 | Thunder_Child | dont* |
| 23:02.30 | Xyphoid | you can if you like - look at all the people doing challenge games |
| 23:03.07 | durcyn | i like to pretend the immersive and engrossing world presented by Plants vs Zombies actually exists. |
| 23:05.05 | Xyphoid | at the core rp boils down to pretending to be an dwarf or whatever. it's not just about talking in character |
| 23:05.46 | Lopeppeppy | I like having a real, solid character reason for scrapping Peppy-Rogue and rerolling her as a healer. :) |
| 23:07.17 | Lunessa | A reason that doesn't have anything to do with me slipping you a mickey and planting a hypnotic suggestion? |
| 23:07.52 | Lunessa | *subliminal irc message*roll a healer*roll a healer* |
| 23:08.49 | Lopeppeppy | I have plenty, they are very nice! |
| 23:08.55 | Lopeppeppy | Except that two button damn paladin. |
| 23:08.59 | Lunessa | :D |
| 23:10.50 | Kraps | moon guard is active |
| 23:11.09 | Kraps | wyrmrest accord is nothing |
| 23:11.17 | Lunessa | Moonguard is where all the "hard core RP" groups from Kirin Tor went. |
| 23:12.51 | Fisker | cause i got a golden ticket |
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| 23:13.44 | Kraps | Fisker: |
| 23:13.53 | Lunessa | Fisker: So you're going to drown in the chocolate river about half-way thorugh the film? |
| 23:13.58 | Kraps | YOU LOSE GOOD DAY SIR |
| 23:14.24 | Fisker | oh it isn't for the chocolate factory |
| 23:14.35 | Fisker | it's valid for one (1) free golden shower |
| 23:14.37 | Thunder_Child | it's for a whore house |
| 23:15.05 | Lunessa | Fisker: ... good luck with that. |
| 23:15.38 | Seerah | huggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 23:18.43 | Shirik | lmfao: http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/224020529 (NSFW) |
| 23:21.57 | kd3 | lol |
| 23:22.03 | kd3 | how many hits is the edit filter getting? |
| 23:22.34 | Cide | any thoughts on why a binary format would encode strings as <length of string*2> <string>? |
| 23:22.40 | Shirik | just watch WP:AIV |
| 23:22.44 | Shirik | the hits are auto-reported |
| 23:23.27 | kd3 | lol |
| 23:25.09 | Thunder_Child | hits Shirik |
| 23:25.18 | Thunder_Child | does not see a report about it |
| 23:25.29 | Fisker | rohroh |
| 23:25.35 | Shirik | see under bot reported |
| 23:25.43 | Shirik | hit the "details" button |
| 23:26.42 | Fisker | why so srs Shirik ? |
| 23:27.53 | Shirik | y so not srs Fisker? |
| 23:28.17 | Lopeppeppy | I'd burn the house first. Just sayin. |
| 23:28.21 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Shirik. |
| 23:28.32 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 23:28.35 | Thunder_Child | Worrying about 4chan repercussions is like worring about getting pregnant by a eunuch. |
| 23:28.49 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: Isn't anonymous legion though? |
| 23:29.06 | Fisker | i disagree Thunder_Child |
| 23:29.14 | Thunder_Child | Legion of impotence |
| 23:29.25 | Fisker | you're clearly not aware of their work then |
| 23:29.40 | Thunder_Child | i am, it pales in comparison to what a baby can do |
| 23:29.45 | Thunder_Child | let alone serious |
| 23:30.00 | WobWork | a baby can make a serious mess |
| 23:30.01 | Fisker | incorrect |
| 23:30.12 | Thunder_Child | thats my point WobWork |
| 23:30.33 | Lopeppeppy | A very big very serious mess. |
| 23:30.35 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?title=Special%3AAbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=294 |
| 23:30.38 | kd3 | lmao |
| 23:31.57 | WobWork | Shirik: wow, you garner some serious nerdrage |
| 23:31.58 | Shirik | I would block them all but I'm not supposed to as I'm "involved" |
| 23:32.12 | Shirik | so instead I'm sitting back and laughing |
| 23:32.55 | Fisker | you're cowering in fear |
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| 23:33.03 | Shirik | or not |
| 23:33.21 | Shirik | they haven't even gotten any of the edits through why would I be fearful |
| 23:33.52 | batrick | "[[I'M GOING TO KILL MUTILATE SHIRIK THEN HORRIBLY MURDER HIM. AFTER THAT, I WILL BLOW UP HIS HOUSE.]]" <-- Pretty sure that is a false positive |
| 23:33.53 | Thunder_Child | is that the best youy can defend your brethren Fisker? |
| 23:33.55 | Fisker | SCARED SHIRK |
| 23:34.06 | Lunessa | Nothing like the masses of the foolish trying to intimidate someone with internet postings. |
| 23:34.16 | Cide | Shirik: tell me |
| 23:34.18 | Fisker | Thunder_Child you don't need a cannon to penetrate a paper-thin argument |
| 23:34.28 | Cide | how do you like being killed -> mutilated -> horribly murdered? |
| 23:34.53 | Shirik | Well I would prefer not to be killed, however after I am killed I figure I will not care if I am then mutilated and then horribly murdered |
| 23:35.04 | Cide | yeah, that's what I'm thinking |
| 23:35.36 | Cide | oh wtf |
| 23:35.41 | Cide | is there a uint8 in c++? |
| 23:35.50 | Cide | I've been using unsigned chars all aong |
| 23:35.51 | Cide | along |
| 23:35.52 | Shirik | sorta |
| 23:35.55 | Thunder_Child | much better Fisker |
| 23:36.01 | Shirik | it's not a builtin |
| 23:36.15 | Cide | oh |
| 23:36.33 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 23:36.34 | Fisker | i like you |
| 23:36.36 | Cide | is it available on all platforms though? |
| 23:36.53 | Shirik | I think it's uint8_t |
| 23:37.02 | Shirik | but all with standard library, yes |
| 23:37.04 | Shirik | but |
| 23:37.08 | Shirik | there's a better one iirc |
| 23:37.15 | batrick | stdint.h (part of C99) has all of those definitions |
| 23:38.43 | kd3 | oh wow; rh/novel won against the patent troll in east texas |
| 23:38.48 | kd3 | makes sure it's not 4/1 |
| 23:41.51 | Shirik | yeah and that's why C++ has a better one |
| 23:41.59 | Shirik | C++ is all like "nanana stdint.h is evilz" |
| 23:42.35 | Thrae | OK, someone try /msg'ing me again, please. |
| 23:42.41 | batrick | jeeze |
| 23:42.49 | batrick | don't you have filters to write shirik |
| 23:42.55 | Kraps | wonders why hes on 4chan |
| 23:43.06 | Shirik | ah it's just std::int8_t etc |
| 23:43.09 | Shirik | with #include <cstdint> |
| 23:43.19 | Shirik | Kraps: Because I have a bot that knows when they're attacking Wikipedia |
| 23:43.40 | Shirik | (19:17:43) (+Shiibot) !4chan ALERT: Possible Wikipedia attack: http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/224020529 -- report at http://sys.4chan.org/b/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=224020529 |
| 23:44.04 | batrick | lol |
| 23:44.12 | Kraps | why am *I* on 4chan |
| 23:44.16 | batrick | that's kinda funny |
| 23:44.24 | Cide | ah, thanks |
| 23:44.28 | Cide | I'll look at it tomorrow |
| 23:44.34 | Thrae | WobWork: Darn it. Thanks anyway. |
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