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| 00:25.54 | Gintaro_ | clogged pipes are worse then buffered ones though |
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| 00:29.48 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Gintaro_ |
| 00:29.48 | purl | teaches Gintaro_ that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 00:29.59 | Dagmar | You can store numbers in it. |
| 00:30.07 | Dagmar | ...and some text. |
| 00:31.54 | alestane | And one-many relationships. |
| 00:33.20 | Gintaro | And forms |
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| 00:54.06 | Shirik | and bugs |
| 00:54.50 | Cide | and porn |
| 00:57.24 | batrick | Hi Shirik! |
| 00:57.28 | Shirik | batrick |
| 00:57.32 | Shirik | the world is screwed now |
| 00:57.33 | batrick | sup |
| 00:57.35 | batrick | y |
| 00:57.54 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=&user=&page=User:Shirik&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&limit=1 |
| 00:58.03 | batrick | im in a terminal cant read it sorries |
| 00:58.21 | batrick | i'm sure it's something impressive about squashing 4chan kiddies |
| 00:58.30 | batrick | emphasis on impressive |
| 00:58.35 | Shirik | no |
| 00:58.43 | Shirik | 20:56, 2 May 2010 Rlevse (talk | contribs | block) changed rights for User:Shirik from Edit filter managers and Rollbackers to Edit filter managers and Administrators â (successful RFA) |
| 00:58.51 | kd3 | conga rats |
| 00:59.07 | batrick | RFA == ? |
| 00:59.23 | Dagmar | Raising F**king Access |
| 00:59.32 | batrick | otherwise grats shirik |
| 00:59.37 | batrick | it's like a lifeless rank! |
| 00:59.39 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:59.55 | batrick | the next step is /b/ |
| 00:59.59 | batrick | think you can make it? |
| 01:00.01 | Shirik | lol |
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| 01:02.39 | Cide | your user page doesn't reflect your new status |
| 01:02.41 | Cide | GET TO WORK |
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| 01:25.02 | Fisker | Cide |
| 01:25.08 | Fisker | would you mind if i killed you? |
| 01:25.09 | Cide | Fisker |
| 01:25.12 | Cide | yes |
| 01:25.49 | Fisker | k |
| 01:27.53 | Fisker | would you mind if i had my way with you? |
| 01:27.59 | Cide | yes |
| 01:28.18 | Fisker | what wouldn't you mind? |
| 01:28.31 | Cide | a lot of things |
| 01:28.47 | Fisker | goatsex? |
| 01:28.54 | Cide | that I would mind |
| 01:29.10 | Thunder_Child | mmm...goatsex |
| 01:29.15 | Thunder_Child | Cide: have you tried it? |
| 01:29.21 | Cide | no |
| 01:29.28 | jadakren | this is the voice of reason speaking |
| 01:30.04 | Thunder_Child | then how do you know you dont like it |
| 01:30.18 | Adys | I tried it, i told him it wasnt really that great |
| 01:30.32 | Thunder_Child | but you cant take someone elses word for it |
| 01:35.01 | jadakren | maybe ackis knows |
| 01:35.39 | jadakren | i mean being banned would make you do crazy things when your addiction is withheld from you. |
| 01:38.11 | Corrodias | banned from goat sex? what a terrible thing |
| 01:38.43 | jadakren | luckily ackis still has ducks |
| 01:43.43 | Shirik | Cide |
| 01:43.44 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:43.49 | Shirik | you can't even give me 3 minutes? |
| 01:43.51 | Cide | hm? |
| 01:44.04 | Shirik | (21:02:20) (+Cide) your user page doesn't reflect your new status |
| 01:44.04 | Shirik | (21:02:22) (+Cide) GET TO WORK |
| 01:44.12 | Adys | Shirik: come back with me, I'll give you up to 5 minutes |
| 01:44.15 | Cide | yes |
| 01:44.17 | Cide | you were slow |
| 01:44.17 | Adys | just stop seeing Cide |
| 01:44.22 | Cide | I would have prepared an edit if I were you |
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| 01:44.39 | Shirik | I'm still trying to fix my UI |
| 01:44.41 | Shirik | it exploded |
| 01:44.48 | Shirik | there's like 50 million tabs on every page now |
| 01:44.49 | Cide | way to go |
| 01:45.45 | kd3 | lol. all of the user js adds tabs now that you're a sysop? |
| 01:45.54 | kd3 | made that mistake copying stuff over to wowwiki once |
| 01:46.34 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:47.29 | kd3 | grr. c'mon fix the dalaran questgiver |
| 01:47.39 | kd3 | wants his third wolvar |
| 01:50.35 | kd3 | s/third/damned/ |
| 01:50.43 | WobWork | kd3: is she not giving it out for previously done people? |
| 01:50.51 | kd3 | nope |
| 01:51.07 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24630855107&sid=1 |
| 01:51.07 | Fisker | they probably fucked up the reset because they had the childrens week for dalaran later |
| 01:51.09 | WobWork | I suspect they have a "If done less than a year ago, you can't get it" check |
| 01:51.19 | WobWork | yeah |
| 01:51.27 | WobWork | so it screwed it up for the normal timing |
| 01:51.33 | Fisker | i actually think it's a manual purge after the event |
| 01:51.52 | WobWork | oh of course =) |
| 01:51.54 | Fisker | because i'm pretty sure i remember some of the quests counting towards quest achievements would just suddenly disappear |
| 01:52.00 | WobWork | Blizzard doesn't -do- automation |
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| 01:59.54 | DWSR | WobWork: orly? |
| 02:00.41 | WobWork | DWSR: not for anything they patch in as an afterthought =P |
| 02:00.55 | Amarande | Fisker: yeah, childrens week is fucked up this year |
| 02:01.03 | Amarande | I have a guildie who capped a flag in Arathi Basin OVER AND OVER AND OVER again |
| 02:01.12 | Amarande | he and the ally guy were trading it over and over for achievement credits |
| 02:01.17 | Amarande | and the ally guy would get credits, but he wouldn't |
| 02:01.36 | DWSR | orly? |
| 02:01.58 | WobWork | yarly! |
| 02:02.09 | WobWork | or is that yally |
| 02:02.32 | Amarande | DWSR: you know what's weird, I once had a regular customer at work named Orly |
| 02:02.43 | Amarande | it's apparently a not uncommon Filipino name |
| 02:03.18 | WobWork | There's also Orly Tait |
| 02:04.03 | WobWork | that crazy birther |
| 02:04.21 | Dagmar | "Beer" is another common one. |
| 02:04.43 | WobWork | filipino name? |
| 02:06.03 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 02:06.07 | Dagmar | Go figure |
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| 02:07.43 | Dagmar | This storm has just plain trashed Nashville |
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| 02:08.16 | Adys | I want to know right now which editor fucking converts an arbitrary amount of spaces to tabs when saving. |
| 02:08.30 | Adys | I dont like space indent, I'm not against it |
| 02:08.34 | Adys | but FUCKING HELL |
| 02:08.41 | Adys | who the hell mixes tabs and spaces ALL OVER |
| 02:08.52 | A-KO | for the assault the tower AV achievement, does the tower have to be under enemy control? |
| 02:09.02 | Adys | A-KO: no |
| 02:09.05 | A-KO | weird |
| 02:09.11 | A-KO | I haven't gotten the achievement at all a few times now |
| 02:09.11 | Adys | but it will be either way? |
| 02:09.22 | Adys | i dont think theres any neutral tower |
| 02:09.30 | Adys | defense != assault if thats what you ask |
| 02:10.01 | A-KO | in between... |
| 02:10.05 | A-KO | I tried stonehearth |
| 02:11.10 | Dagmar | Adys: Actually, it happens with multiple editors that I've seen that cosmetically replace spaces with tabs |
| 02:11.24 | Adys | cosmetically, i dont mind, the problem is when they SAVE it |
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| 02:11.37 | Adys | damn thats annoying |
| 02:12.02 | Adys | opening a file that indents with 2 spaces, and every double indent it's back one step |
| 02:12.02 | Adys | ffs |
| 02:12.32 | Amarande | A-KO: what battlegroup? |
| 02:22.48 | A-KO | Amarande: Ruin |
| 02:22.50 | A-KO | it's good though, just got it |
| 02:22.54 | A-KO | now for EOTS and WSG |
| 02:22.55 | A-KO | meh |
| 02:23.16 | Dagmar | "EOTS" <-- not funny right now |
| 02:23.25 | Dagmar | At least the rain has mostly stopped. |
| 02:23.28 | Thunder_Child | most of them suck because of chillins week |
| 02:23.46 | Thunder_Child | wsg is however by far the worst |
| 02:23.54 | Dagmar | I'm kinda tempted to make an alt called Nashville nad post a complaint to the PvP forum |
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| 02:36.31 | WobWork | Dagmar: Nashville? |
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| 02:46.00 | Adys | anyone familiar with the win32 api? specifically, quartz if possible |
| 02:47.03 | Amarande | what's win32 quartz? the only quartzes I know off the top of my head are the cast bar addon and the rock |
| 02:47.16 | Adys | media handling mostly |
| 02:48.43 | A-KO | man are there any decent games with just LAN play these days? |
| 02:48.55 | A-KO | was about to buy Battlefield: BC2 but just found out it has 0 LAN play |
| 02:48.56 | A-KO | f that noise |
| 02:49.28 | A-KO | not dropping $50 on a game that I can't take to a lan party and fire it up and play with no latency against friends/other people |
| 02:50.38 | Corrodias | so you can't connect to local servers? |
| 02:50.44 | A-KO | not from what I'm reading |
| 02:50.55 | Corrodias | how'd they manage that? you have to use a matchmaking service and can't directly connect to anyone? |
| 02:50.59 | A-KO | yep |
| 02:51.12 | Corrodias | hahaha, way to fuck it up |
| 02:51.27 | A-KO | yeah the game looks really good, too--but I'm not paying for a game I can't play on LAN |
| 02:51.34 | A-KO | since my primary FPS gaming occurs at LAN events with friends |
| 02:51.56 | A-KO | at least Mario Kart I can have friends hop in on split screen and play |
| 02:52.01 | Corrodias | i don't even like multiplayer, generally, so i'm waiting until it's at a deep discount to experience the supposedly anemic single player game. |
| 02:52.44 | Corrodias | if i get it at all |
| 02:52.54 | WobWork | Torchlight was good |
| 02:53.01 | WobWork | despite the lack of LAN |
| 02:53.02 | Corrodias | how non sequitor... |
| 02:53.09 | WobWork | but it redeemed itself with the price |
| 02:53.16 | Corrodias | i believe that lacked any multiplayer features. |
| 02:53.20 | WobWork | yeah |
| 02:53.33 | WobWork | they have to beat D3 if they want to get that out |
| 02:53.56 | WobWork | even then, it'll only be that short period between releasing multiplayer on Torchlight and the release of D3 =P |
| 02:54.02 | Corrodias | it was fun for a while, but not especially deep. i played through the main story and a few levels of the second dunegon. |
| 02:55.10 | Corrodias | i tried a second character; while different, it wasn't the kind of compelling difference that made me want to keep going. |
| 02:55.36 | Corrodias | what can i say but that i've played so many games in my few years that i'm easily bored by repetition? |
| 02:57.08 | Corrodias | which kind of makes me fear that d3 might not hold my attention nearly as well as d2 did back in the day |
| 02:57.23 | Corrodias | really, i think it was WoW that changed me. and that was pretty recent. |
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| 03:02.44 | Dagmar | I suppose it depends on how far you were willing to go in Torchlight |
| 03:02.57 | Dagmar | I'm still pounding away at level fifty something |
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| 03:08.06 | Amarande | I'm not sure what could really be perfected in D3 that D2 doesn't already have |
| 03:08.17 | Dagmar | Boobies. |
| 03:08.37 | Amarande | Actually, D2 would still be awesome if they could fix the fact that it has more security holes than a sieve |
| 03:08.52 | Amarande | people and their fucking duped runes thinking they're so great |
| 03:09.01 | Amarande | then asking for more duped runes as trade currency |
| 03:09.21 | Amarande | ever wonder what an economy would be like if it ran entirely on counterfeit money? play D2. :) |
| 03:09.44 | Dagmar | Well, there's a limit on how many hours a day people can spend duping runes |
| 03:09.57 | Amarande | Dagmar: who says *people* dupe the runes? |
| 03:10.05 | Artimidorus121 | can anyone point me in the right direction as to how i could resize a frame but not the backdrop. example would be a health bar that is not a bar shape |
| 03:10.06 | Amarande | that's probably as automated as the bot trawling runs |
| 03:10.11 | Dagmar | Technically goldfarmers are people |
| 03:10.32 | Amarande | Dagmar: but do you really think the people sit there and do it themselves, or do you think they just click a big shiny orange "EXECUTE?" button like Nedry in Jurassic Park :) |
| 03:10.53 | Dagmar | It's probably a double-click operation. |
| 03:12.31 | Artimidorus121 | can anyone point me in the right direction as to how i could resize a frame but not the backdrop. example would be a health bar that is not a bar shape |
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| 03:14.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: also, are you sure goldfarmers are people? |
| 03:14.18 | Amarande | they might be daleks, or Romulans |
| 03:14.26 | Dagmar | Daleks would make sense |
| 03:14.29 | Artimidorus121 | can anyone point me in the right direction as to how i could resize a frame but not the backdrop. example would be a health bar that is not a bar shape |
| 03:14.30 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+qq *!*@99-37-10-115.lightspeed.gylkil.sbcglobal.net *!~Joey@*] by EDI |
| 03:14.43 | Dagmar | Daleks would make sense |
| 03:17.37 | Kraps | hey Shirik |
| 03:17.41 | Shirik | rawr |
| 03:17.46 | Kraps | GRATS! |
| 03:17.46 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 03:17.48 | Shirik | thanks |
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| 03:18.39 | Thunder_Child | lol |
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| 03:23.09 | WobWork | Corrodias: wait... you're easily bored by repetition |
| 03:23.15 | WobWork | and you still play WoW? =P |
| 03:23.53 | WobWork | we're kinda planning on playing a LAN game of D2 here at work, actually... |
| 03:24.02 | WobWork | all start up together and level up a bit |
| 03:24.17 | WobWork | I'm not sure how well it'll work really |
| 03:24.18 | Amarande | sometimes I wonder if any of the level 99s on ladder anymore are honest |
| 03:24.20 | Amarande | or if they're all bots |
| 03:24.34 | WobWork | a lot of the ability to play the game with friends online, is that they're not in the same location |
| 03:24.46 | WobWork | so it doesn't feel as .. er... geeky =P |
| 03:25.05 | WobWork | and D2 has less immediacy of most other LAN games that involve FPS |
| 03:25.30 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-qq *!*@99-37-10-115.lightspeed.gylkil.sbcglobal.net *!~Joey@*] by Cairenn |
| 03:25.32 | Dagmar | HEy at least they don't have pornographic names |
| 03:25.49 | Adys | Cairenn: hey, I liked that ban |
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| 03:26.02 | Amarande | sets mode: +qq moar |
| 03:26.06 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 03:26.09 | Artimidorus121 | ok anyone here know about frames and background images? |
| 03:26.18 | Artimidorus121 | using xml? |
| 03:26.22 | DWSR | Don't. |
| 03:26.24 | DWSR | Use Lua. |
| 03:26.27 | Dagmar | I prefer walnut.. |
| 03:26.48 | Artimidorus121 | ok where would i find info about lua and frames? |
| 03:27.01 | Adys | wowprogramming.com |
| 03:27.04 | DWSR | anyone here have any Kludge suggestions on increasing the range/power on a wireless card? |
| 03:27.07 | Artimidorus121 | im attempting a player frame replacement |
| 03:27.11 | DWSR | Artimidorus121: What Adys said. |
| 03:27.18 | Adys | Cairenn: hey, why isn't wowprogramming.com not in the topic? |
| 03:27.19 | Amarande | DWSR: replacement antenna |
| 03:27.19 | DWSR | Artimidorus121: If you're doing unit frames, I suggest that you look at oUF |
| 03:27.25 | DWSR | Amarande: kludge. l2read. |
| 03:27.29 | Amarande | I know they make them for some routers, not sure about cards |
| 03:27.55 | Amarande | DWSR: they actually sell booster antennas at radio shack for some of the routers. you screw off the stock antennas and attach the Shack ones |
| 03:27.59 | Dagmar | DWSR: Tinfoil, cardboard, parabolic curve. |
| 03:28.01 | Artimidorus121 | im trying to not depend on any other addon so tht i can actually learn how they work |
| 03:28.02 | Cairenn | Adys: double negative question won't get you the response you're looking for |
| 03:28.02 | Adys | actually, Cairenn, why am I not in the topic? :( |
| 03:28.17 | Dagmar | A bigger wire doesn't generally do a hell of a lot |
| 03:28.22 | DWSR | ^ |
| 03:28.27 | Adys | Cairenn: -not =P |
| 03:28.35 | Amarande | Adys: Cairenn only accepts [Emblems of Cookie] as currency |
| 03:28.39 | Dagmar | Eliminating the radiation that goes up into the sky and focusing the radiation in two ovoid lobes does a LOT more |
| 03:28.41 | Amarande | you do not have enough items to perform that transaction |
| 03:28.52 | Cairenn | Adys: is there a reason you should be that I am missing? |
| 03:29.09 | Adys | Cairenn: Cide is up there and he is way less awesome than me |
| 03:29.20 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:29.42 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! | Boobquake! http://bit.ly/dxMjF9 | " qqqqqqq " - Adys |
| 03:29.52 | DWSR | Quotation mark fail. |
| 03:31.47 | Shirik | aren't Adys and Cairenn both canadian? |
| 03:31.56 | Adys | Yes we are |
| 03:32.07 | Adys | well, I am; Cairenn is actually just french |
| 03:32.22 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! | Boobquake! http://bit.ly/dxMjF9 | «qqqqqqq» - Adys |
| 03:32.24 | Shirik | fixed |
| 03:32.45 | Adys | Oh I totally see what you did there |
| 03:33.06 | WobWork | DWSR: booster |
| 03:33.25 | Corrodias | WobWork: i used to play WoW, and that was when repetition was still cool for me |
| 03:33.36 | DWSR | Shirik: Actually, you just failed again |
| 03:33.38 | Corrodias | i think WoW taught me something, and it may be why i'm easily bored now. |
| 03:34.05 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 03:34.06 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:34.11 | DWSR | «qqqqqqq» - Adys" |
| 03:34.18 | DWSR | dys" |
| 03:34.21 | DWSR | s" |
| 03:34.21 | WobWork | WoW taught me: "Offer a man achievements, and he will continue to pay a monthly fee!" |
| 03:34.23 | DWSR | " |
| 03:34.27 | Corrodias | WoW helped me distinguish between fun (beating new raid bosses) and not fun (grinding, farming) |
| 03:34.34 | Kraps | and you broke wp100 Shirik |
| 03:34.40 | Shirik | yes I did |
| 03:34.40 | Corrodias | (losing at raid bosses) |
| 03:34.47 | Shirik | it surprised me |
| 03:35.05 | Adys | DWSR: fail to you too |
| 03:35.13 | Adys | it's your client adding quotes |
| 03:35.20 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 03:35.51 | Adys | Cairenn: to come back to the original question, why isnt wowprogramming.com in the topic? :P |
| 03:36.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.12 | Cairenn | because purl has it memorized? |
| 03:36.34 | Cairenn | can't put every tool and reference and library and .... in there, not enough space |
| 03:36.59 | Amarande | Adys: it's a topic, not a Gnomish full name. :) |
| 03:38.49 | Cairenn | I mean, there should be the link to Blizz's UI Kit and the UI Policy and the editing UI addon and wowwiki and Bela's file compares and .... |
| 03:39.25 | Cairenn | how do I possibly put in everything that "should" be there? |
| 03:39.26 | Artimidorus121 | wow taught me that people get off topic a lot |
| 03:39.36 | Cairenn | and by whose definition of "should" are we going? |
| 03:40.53 | Adys | Cairenn: it's a good set of docs and I'd bet real-life virtual money that it's the most pasted link in this chan |
| 03:41.05 | Artimidorus121 | ok time to go check out http://wowprogramming.com now its a very confusing site to try to navagate through |
| 03:41.16 | Adys | Artimidorus121: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api |
| 03:41.52 | Adys | actually what you want is probably at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets |
| 03:42.29 | Artimidorus121 | hmm lol ok soo what exactly should i bee looking for? |
| 03:42.29 | Adys | hey jnwhiteh, is it possible to have some sort of js collapse on that page? |
| 03:42.46 | Artimidorus121 | im very new to addons and programming |
| 03:42.47 | Adys | Artimidorus121: your frame type, this page lists all of its methods |
| 03:42.59 | Artimidorus121 | and this is for lua |
| 03:43.01 | Artimidorus121 | nopt xml |
| 03:43.08 | Adys | lua and xml use the same api |
| 03:43.09 | Artimidorus121 | correct |
| 03:43.12 | Adys | they're just written a different way |
| 03:43.32 | Artimidorus121 | kk thanks a bunch |
| 03:44.54 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: just put a link up there that goes to a web page of helpful links. easy one stop addon creation shopping |
| 03:47.21 | Cairenn | like this? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=134 |
| 03:48.33 | Cairenn | :p |
| 03:50.37 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: more like http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107 though it is missing stufff, like wowprogramming.com etc. |
| 03:50.41 | Thunder_Child | stuff* |
| 03:50.51 | Cairenn | I know, I need to do some more work on it |
| 03:51.37 | Thunder_Child | though i was just thinking a basic page, letting people comment seems....error prone |
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| 03:51.55 | Artimidorus121 | got a question anyone know of a basic addon very simple that modifies the party frame? need an example to look at so i can figure out how to start my addon |
| 03:52.37 | Dagmar | Daleks would make sense |
| 03:55.56 | Amarande | "Shamans, if you see someone opening up a wormhole then you should hit them with Water Walking as fast as possible." |
| 03:56.06 | Artimidorus121 | anyone use the addon WowLua? |
| 04:00.59 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgo0CDL6bd0&feature=player_embedded |
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| 04:07.08 | Amarande | hmm, googling that xperl bug |
| 04:07.21 | Amarande | did they change some sort of security thing in 3.3.3 that means xperl will soon be a thing of the past? |
| 04:10.42 | Amarande | I'm seeing about 40 zillion tickets about the same health bar error ... can't seem to find the forum post someone mentioned |
| 04:10.49 | Artimidorus121 | ok heres a crazy idea well maybe not but can you use xml frames along side like overlay them with lua frames? |
| 04:10.55 | Amarande | (don't tell me it's buried on page 5348723892389278953 of some obscure subforum that I'm going to have to sift through all of to find?) |
| 04:10.57 | Artimidorus121 | or is that a bad idea? |
| 04:13.47 | Amarande | and does anyone even know what the bug *is* or is all I'm going to find in the forum people reporting it? :scratch |
| 04:14.30 | Amarande | Used to be THE gold standard for unit frames, from what I've seen from people ... now it's becoming basically a dead addon |
| 04:14.35 | Amarande | what happened to it? :| |
| 04:14.44 | Amarande | or did the fact that the Raid Admin part never really got completed doom it? |
| 04:15.09 | Artimidorus121 | i love x-perl never had any problems with it never got any errors i still use it |
| 04:15.16 | Amarande | i.e., if a frame addon isn't robust enough for raid admin, it dies? |
| 04:15.30 | Amarande | Artim: it has an increasingly common bug in which the health bar doesn't update. |
| 04:15.34 | Amarande | one moment, you're showing at 100% |
| 04:15.43 | Amarande | two seconds later everything's gone grey :) |
| 04:15.47 | Artimidorus121 | for raid healers i tell them to use healbot |
| 04:15.57 | Artimidorus121 | seems to work great |
| 04:16.02 | Amarande | bad idea, if they're using xperl ... apparently healbot aggravates the bugs with it |
| 04:16.09 | Amarande | great, now I have to find a new unit frame addon that doesn't suck |
| 04:16.15 | Amarande | and fits the part of the screen I have available for unit frames :P |
| 04:16.39 | Amarande | and actually LETS YOU POSITION IT PROPERLY |
| 04:16.44 | Artimidorus121 | lol really my gf uses x-perl and healbot and theres not been one problem |
| 04:16.45 | Amarande | I still remember one other unit frame I used that was a nightmare |
| 04:17.07 | Amarande | because they decided it should be "simple, with limited configuration options to worry about" and one of these apparently INCLUDED THE ABILITY TO POSITION IT ANYWHERE RESEMBLING NICELY |
| 04:17.15 | Kandoko | Artimidorus121: iirc frames are frames XML or lua there the same. Just the creation syntax differs |
| 04:17.40 | Artimidorus121 | ok thanks Kandoko |
| 04:17.58 | Artimidorus121 | i have been using moveanything so that i can move anyframe easy |
| 04:18.11 | Amarande | I get the distinct feeling 3.3.3 must have broken something about what you are allowed to do in combat in an addon |
| 04:18.19 | Amarande | and by doing so, destroyed X-perl's ability to always update things properly :| |
| 04:18.29 | Dagmar | You can no longer taunt happy fun text label |
| 04:18.52 | Kandoko | So we can only /love happy fun text label ? |
| 04:19.00 | Dagmar | Probably |
| 04:19.01 | Amarande | Dagmar: there was a good reason to muck with the ability to mess with text labels in combat? :) |
| 04:19.05 | Amarande | how would that be used for botting? |
| 04:19.36 | Artimidorus121 | Kandoko so since i have the layout set with xml i can use lau to change that frame size |
| 04:19.40 | Dagmar | Damned if I know but there's still that error floating around Amarande found that taints an input box when you try to click-link something in |
| 04:19.51 | Dagmar | I figure it's probably something along those lines |
| 04:20.08 | Amarande | they should just get rid of the whole 'secure frames' and 'taint' thing entirely |
| 04:20.09 | Kandoko | yes if you know the reference |
| 04:20.14 | Amarande | it causes too many problems :) |
| 04:20.17 | Amarande | way more than it fixes, anyway |
| 04:20.45 | Dagmar | It's probably some add-on bit of text that's considered tainted being stuck in there. Like '<' or '>' or something. |
| 04:20.53 | Amarande | unless a lack of security would cause worse nightmares, like gold farming getting to the point where the IRS really does try to tax all the gold we make in WoW as income citing that it gets too often exchanged for real money and thus should be considered as money |
| 04:21.09 | Artimidorus121 | ok basicly i have 3 images makikng up the health bar one is the health the others being layed on top of it for looks |
| 04:21.29 | batrick | got ubuntu 10.04 installed, it's quite nice |
| 04:21.44 | Amarande | something which would, mind you, also set up a massive destructive vibration in the online RPG world as a whole that would rip apart the genre except for the largest, most established games |
| 04:21.57 | Artimidorus121 | so make 2 frames in xml and the other one in lua and change sizes using lua would that cause problems? |
| 04:22.02 | Amarande | apparently the IRS did actually consider taxing MMO income at one point due to gold farmers |
| 04:22.02 | Dagmar | batrick: Yeah I installed Netbook edition on this 901 I got just a couple days ago |
| 04:22.10 | Dagmar | It's a hell of a lot nicer than I thought it could be |
| 04:22.15 | Amarande | I remember my issue with it not being so much the tax itself, but the OTHER effects it could have on the genre :) |
| 04:22.18 | Dagmar | canonical deserves props |
| 04:22.31 | Kandoko | nope, same as if you created em all in XML or all in lua |
| 04:22.41 | Amarande | mainly, the fact that it would be extremely difficult for all but huge companies to start any online game anymore, owing to the fact that they'd have to be considered trustworthy enough by the public for people to feel comfortable coughing up their SSN |
| 04:22.49 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah, it could make gaming a fucking nightmare |
| 04:23.10 | batrick | Dagmar: I think I might actually stick with this release for 2 years unless there's a super compelling reason to upgrade |
| 04:23.27 | Dagmar | Just imagine itemizing your return to account for amortization and depreciation of epic gear |
| 04:23.42 | Amarande | small company, especially Asian company (where there's so many fraud issues) tries to start an online game? people would be "Fuck no, I'm uncomfortable enough giving my CC details to SmallUnknownCo, let alone my SSN" |
| 04:23.54 | Artimidorus121 | ok so use a cammand like Texture:SetTexCoord() to change on update to crop the image? |
| 04:24.09 | Amarande | It would be better for the government to financially collapse than such a destructive thing come to pass :) |
| 04:24.23 | Dagmar | batrick: Well, in my case I forgot to get the root password from the guy I bought the netbook from and installing a fresh copy was quicker than futzing around with an ext4 driver for slax |
| 04:24.46 | Artimidorus121 | im just having a dificult time understanding frames and scalling in lua and xml and why cropping an image isnt easy in xml |
| 04:24.49 | Kandoko | Artimidorus121: are you trying to resize the texture or crop it? |
| 04:25.18 | Artimidorus121 | ok im trying to crop an image as there hp goes down |
| 04:25.22 | Kandoko | resize adjust the points or scale, that functions is for croping a portion |
| 04:25.33 | Artimidorus121 | cause i want a round hp bar instead of a bar |
| 04:26.12 | Artimidorus121 | i already have it done im xml but it resizes the image and not cropping it |
| 04:26.12 | Dagmar | Watching a bottle of colored juice empty out is so original tho |
| 04:26.16 | Amarande | Dagmar: anyway, would it potentially destroy WoW and maybe even MMOs as a whole if the taint system was removed? |
| 04:26.27 | Amarande | like ... *would* it cause gold farming on a scale to attract the IRS to ruin everything? |
| 04:26.41 | Artimidorus121 | so easyest way for me right now would be to figure out how to crop the image using xml |
| 04:26.57 | Dagmar | Amarande: If you were a game dev I would rather kick you in the balls, repeatedly, over a period of days, than play a game that tradecraft could get me arrested for effing tax evasion. |
| 04:27.10 | Kandoko | Artimidorus121: I tend to work in pure lua so my XML knowledge is limited. But that should work. |
| 04:27.28 | Amarande | Dagmar: in other words, if you aren't able to be aggressive enough with security to stop gold farmers, you are potentially dooming the entire gaming world, then |
| 04:27.44 | Amarande | well, except for those mindless deathmatch FPS heh |
| 04:27.50 | Dagmar | It's much easier to just set up a greymarket for predicting the imminent interment of select goldfarming company CEOs |
| 04:28.20 | Dagmar | I'm not filing tax returns for sewing pixels together dude. |
| 04:28.21 | Kandoko | needs to head off for sleepies |
| 04:28.35 | Dagmar | If I want to do that I'll go play Second Life. |
| 04:28.48 | Dagmar | Just pretend I put quotes around the word 'play'. |
| 04:29.04 | Amarande | dammit, IS there a unit frame that's usable anymore without glitches like X-perl's? |
| 04:29.11 | Amarande | besides "settling for Blizzard's crappy non-movable ones"? |
| 04:29.11 | Dagmar | It's that they make the damn thing into a job that's the REAL problem |
| 04:29.41 | Amarande | Eh. Like I said, what's the worst that could happen if the IRS can't manage to get enough tax income? |
| 04:29.44 | Nechckn | Try SUF, manhyfolks like it, Amarande |
| 04:30.05 | Nechckn | Although, I use Xperl and do not have any issues, so... dunno. |
| 04:30.14 | Amarande | Or am I basically trying to totally ignore the fact that Washington is like, the MT for <Civilization As We Know It> and if it fails, the whole world pretty much plunges into hundreds of years of chaos? |
| 04:31.09 | Amarande | Thus, we *need to keep it going at all costs*? |
| 04:31.56 | Amarande | Nechckn: ahh, SUF was the one I used that annoyed the hell out of me |
| 04:32.14 | Amarande | mainly because it's so simple as to not even allow such *huge luxuries* as oh say CAN I AT LEAST HAVE MY PARTY MEMBERS ALIGNED? |
| 04:32.29 | Amarande | I have to drag each one individually, and half the time if I recall I was lucky if SUF let stuff stay where I dragged and dropped it |
| 04:32.40 | Nechckn | Well, I just know that it is like the next popular one.. as I said, Xperl works for me. Trying to think of the other "popular" one |
| 04:32.42 | Amarande | the rest of the time it would snap it a small but very noticeable amount away from where I put it |
| 04:32.54 | Amarande | making my whole UI look like hash |
| 04:33.54 | Amarande | Dagmar: so basically, my paranoia is right this time, taint is the only thing separating WoW from IRS scrutiny, then |
| 04:34.02 | Nechckn | Ah, think it is oUF, but I have no idea how it works. |
| 04:35.20 | Amarande | (I've also always wondered if fear of government scrutiny is behind the obsessive ensuring that everything in Arena is so painstakingly balanced even at the expense of other, much more popular things like PvE ... because those tournaments with real life entry fees and cash prizes might otherwise attract crushing investigations as to whether they should be considered gambling operations ...) |
| 04:35.55 | Dagmar | Amarande: THat and most people would just quit |
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| 04:36.44 | Amarande | For instance, if Arena was more random than it is, the ATs would basically be *outright illegal* wouldn't they? |
| 04:37.14 | Amarande | because certainly the anti video game bloc would manage to get them tagged a game of chance that either can't have cash entry fees or can't have cash prizes |
| 04:37.27 | Amarande | unless Blizzard sold themselves to a Native American tribe of course |
| 04:38.12 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:38.22 | Amarande | is pitbull4 ready for primetime yet or does it tend to be glitchier than a buggy Pentium? |
| 04:38.29 | Dagmar | Dude it rocks |
| 04:38.46 | Nechckn | A lot of that depends on locale, too. Some allow such things with entry fees, so long as the total goes back out to the prize winners, others, allow for a small "overhead" fee, but not many. |
| 04:38.50 | Amarande | also, does it by default take up the same or less space than X-Perl did, or will I have to shrink it to fit it? |
| 04:38.51 | Dagmar | It just takes a crapload of beating on and not insubstantial knowledge of WTF is going on to get it up and running the first time |
| 04:39.18 | Amarande | Dagmar: does it then tend to configure for the whole account or will I be beating on it for hours *per alt*? |
| 04:39.39 | Dagmar | There's some oddness with some raid configurations, I think it's still missing Main Tanks and Off Tanks, and it has no arena team support last I checked |
| 04:39.52 | Amarande | you mean people actually use their unit frames to mark the MT and OT? :) |
| 04:40.05 | Dagmar | Amarande: If you're into 3NF, it's masturbation territory |
| 04:40.21 | Amarande | I thought generally you were supposed to remember that the MT was the guy that the RL told you it was :D |
| 04:40.30 | Dagmar | Hell I do but I play a hunter and some people get a little snippy when I click them for a hurried misdirect. ;) |
| 04:40.54 | Amarande | btw, when do I even *get* MD? |
| 04:40.56 | Dagmar | I want that frame way the hell out by itself and closer to the middle of the screen |
| 04:41.02 | Amarande | I thought it was a staple skill, but I've hit 62 and still don't have it |
| 04:41.02 | Dagmar | 40 I htink. not really sure |
| 04:41.26 | Dagmar | Maybe 70 I guess |
| 04:41.37 | Dagmar | wowwiki lists one rank at 70. |
| 04:41.51 | Dagmar | It's been something I've had for so long I just can't imagine not having it |
| 04:42.04 | Amarande | Yeah, that's why it boggled me I didn't have it yet |
| 04:42.12 | Dagmar | But anyway, about PitBull... Dude, it's extremely into object inheritance |
| 04:42.25 | Amarande | when you read up on a class to learn it, there's just some abilities they talk about iconically enough that you take it for granted that you'll get them sooner rather than later |
| 04:42.41 | Dagmar | You can diddle a default profile, you can diddle a profile for just one toon, you can diddle a profile for all mages, you can diddle a profile for all toons based on server. |
| 04:42.53 | Amarande | Dagmar: profile support, I hope, so I only have to do this once for my alts? :) |
| 04:42.54 | Amarande | ah. good. |
| 04:43.01 | Dagmar | Pretty much any way you could draw venn diagrams on paper with how you'd like this shit to get arranged, you can do with PitBull4. |
| 04:43.12 | Amarande | also, fuck Blizzard for putting security above functionality |
| 04:43.28 | Amarande | actually, that's become a general problem with ALL sorts of policy development, not even just in WoW or even in IT in general |
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| 04:43.43 | Amarande | it used to be the paradigm was "what do we want to achieve?" "okay, now how can we secure things while achieving this?" |
| 04:44.09 | Amarande | now it seems to have become "what do we need to protect ourselves against?" "okay, what can we achieve while maintaining this security?" "but dude, now we can hardly achieve anything!" "too bad, we need to protect first" |
| 04:44.13 | Amarande | what the hell happened? |
| 04:45.17 | Amarande | how did we become so obsessed with protection to the point that one thinks the slippery slope leads to that berserk bio-robot from Babylon 5? :) |
| 04:46.04 | Amarande | how did people become so willing to accept such heavy limitations in order to maintain this protection? |
| 04:46.44 | Amarande | hell, now it's almost at the point, if not already at the point where if you *aren't* willing to accept this paradigm and try to stick with the old achieve-first paradigm, it will only eventually wind you up in jail for "aiding the enemy" in some or other way |
| 04:47.08 | Amarande | "you knew the industry standards. you chose not to cotton to them. you ultimately wrought this destruction. Guilty." |
| 04:48.04 | Amarande | unless perhaps *humanity itself* is now racing out of spec like an overheating engine and now our only top priority can be to slow our inevitable doom |
| 04:48.22 | Amarande | and that can only be done by such a limiting paradigm that helps "cool off the engine" so to speak :| |
| 04:48.43 | Amarande | Dammit, I knew we shouldn't have trusted Goblin Engineers to make the world! |
| 04:49.21 | Amarande | We should have had it made by Gnomish engineers, instead |
| 04:49.22 | Amarande | oh wait |
| 04:49.28 | Amarande | gnomish engineering doesn't function perfectly either |
| 04:49.29 | Amarande | :| |
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| 04:49.38 | Amarande | curse you ultrasafe transporter that splatted me into the unyielding sands of Tanaris |
| 04:50.23 | Amarande | okay, to get back to UI stuff |
| 04:50.35 | Amarande | fuck. is there any way to see the party frame to configgle it in pitbull without actually finding someone to party with? |
| 04:51.53 | Amarande | also: so much for farming winterspring tonight. I'll probably be going to bed by the time I figgle around with this |
| 04:52.05 | batrick | l2slowfall |
| 04:52.10 | batrick | =) |
| 04:52.23 | Amarande | batrick: you know what was especially dumb |
| 04:52.28 | Amarande | I HAD the parachute cloak equipped |
| 04:52.30 | Amarande | and forgot |
| 04:52.30 | Amarande | :| |
| 04:52.57 | batrick | you just freak because you are falling |
| 04:53.01 | batrick | ya I know it happens :( |
| 04:53.28 | Amarande | batrick: anyway, do you know anything about pitbull |
| 04:53.34 | Amarande | am I going to be able to configure the party frame while alone |
| 04:53.37 | batrick | O SHITTTTTTT IM GONNA DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE *splat* .... hey I had my parachute cloak on! ... GOD DAMNIT! |
| 04:53.44 | Amarande | or do I have to find some poor sucker to inconvenience by dragging them into a party |
| 04:53.50 | Amarande | just so the party frame will show up so I can mess with it? |
| 04:53.51 | batrick | no I don't Amarande sorry :( |
| 04:54.01 | Amarande | (none of my guildies are on, of course) |
| 04:57.35 | DWSR | Amarande: Yes. |
| 04:57.41 | DWSR | Amarande: There is a configuration mode for PB. |
| 04:58.21 | Amarande | DWSR: this is getting irritating. how do I see the pet and party frames when I'm using my DK solo to do the config. |
| 04:58.24 | Amarande | is there a manual for this?! |
| 04:58.29 | DWSR | Dude. |
| 04:58.35 | DWSR | /pb |
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| 04:58.38 | DWSR | TOP LEFT CORNER |
| 04:58.43 | DWSR | Very very obviously. |
| 04:58.52 | Amarande | DWSR: if blizzard wasn't so godwaful obsessed with security I could still use xperl. hence my irritation right now at having to configgle something new at all :) |
| 04:58.59 | cybermind | does anyone know where FocusFrameBuff# frames come from? |
| 04:59.12 | Amarande | ah here we are. |
| 04:59.23 | cybermind | i cant find them at all in FocusFrame.xml/lua |
| 05:00.17 | Amarande | you know what else I miss from xperl? |
| 05:00.22 | Amarande | in xperl, I could drag the whole party at once |
| 05:00.28 | Amarande | here apparently I have to drag every member separately |
| 05:00.56 | Arrowmaster | cybermind: check in the targetframe files |
| 05:01.12 | Amarande | okay, maybe I'm wrong |
| 05:01.15 | Amarande | this is confusing. |
| 05:01.24 | Amarande | remember. I've used x-perl since 2.3, until Blizzard had to go and effing break it. |
| 05:02.57 | DWSR | Amarande: Did they break it on purpose, or is this the status bar break? |
| 05:04.28 | Amarande | DWSR: this is the health bar break |
| 05:04.38 | DWSR | Latest XPerl should be fixed. |
| 05:04.58 | Amarande | I first noticed it on my DK, when I was fighting collapsing voidwalkers in Hellfire and noticed that my health never went down, then I died |
| 05:04.59 | DWSR | Also, if you think it could be done easier in XPerl, you're wrong. |
| 05:05.16 | DWSR | PB >> XPerl |
| 05:05.18 | Amarande | then I noticed a couple of times that the "AFK" wasn't clearing from the health bar |
| 05:05.30 | Amarande | granted /console reloadui fixes it for the time being but not permanently |
| 05:05.40 | Amarande | DWSR: any idea *what* went wrong with it? |
| 05:05.48 | Amarande | was it indeed some sort of necessary emergency anti-goldfarmer-bot security fix? |
| 05:05.55 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 05:06.07 | Amarande | (heh, do goldfarmers rely on some sort of info that this would break, thus causing them to die horribly without being able to farm gold? XD) |
| 05:06.12 | DWSR | The status bar changes were part of a way to make it easier to /do/ status bars. |
| 05:06.24 | DWSR | Not some sort of gold-farmer change. |
| 05:06.33 | Amarande | DWSR: this was in 3.3.3, or 3.3.0? |
| 05:06.38 | DWSR | 3.3.3 |
| 05:06.40 | Amarande | if it's 3.3.3, I'm kinda irritated |
| 05:06.42 | Arrowmaster | i thought the default ui status bars broke too? |
| 05:06.47 | DWSR | & |
| 05:06.49 | DWSR | ^ |
| 05:06.50 | DWSR | They did. |
| 05:06.53 | DWSR | Blizzard patched them, though |
| 05:06.56 | Amarande | this is the worst third-level patch since 2.4.1, basically |
| 05:07.02 | DWSR | Dude. |
| 05:07.04 | DWSR | You're fucking retarded. |
| 05:07.10 | DWSR | XPERL WORKS FINE IF YOU USE THE LATEST VERSION |
| 05:07.12 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: 2.4.1 didnt change anything |
| 05:07.22 | Amarande | Arrow: it was either 2.4.1 or 2.4.2 or thereabouts |
| 05:07.30 | *** part/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@c-68-38-51-80.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 05:07.30 | Amarande | it changed the combat log in a slight matter that broke addons that analyzed it, like recount |
| 05:07.32 | Arrowmaster | you are thinking of 2.4.0 which i have told you before was the combatlog one |
| 05:08.00 | Amarande | anyway, it's always been a coding notion of mine that, unless you're doing prerelease code, you oughtn't to change major APIs unless either |
| 05:08.07 | Amarande | a) it's an emergency, or b) you're releasing a .0 patch |
| 05:08.16 | WobWork | c) You're Blizzard |
| 05:08.19 | DWSR | ^ |
| 05:08.23 | Amarande | it's just a matter of politeness to one's users that you don't break major things in third-tier patchlevel :) |
| 05:08.36 | DWSR | Unless you're Blizzard. |
| 05:08.39 | WobWork | well, with no 'official' support, it's not something they have to cling to |
| 05:08.47 | DWSR | ^ |
| 05:08.49 | Amarande | DWSR: yeah, unless you're Blizzard :| |
| 05:08.52 | DWSR | Anyway, I'm out. |
| 05:08.54 | DWSR | Later. |
| 05:08.56 | Amarande | they could at least have changed the TOC so it would have got flagged OOD though |
| 05:08.56 | Arrowmaster | blizz doesnt change that much on non .0 patches |
| 05:09.43 | cybermind | also damn curseforge isnt syncing |
| 05:09.47 | cybermind | was the frequency modified? |
| 05:10.30 | Amarande | anyway I'm not saying *the change itself* is bad |
| 05:10.37 | Amarande | but that they could've rolled it out in a better way |
| 05:10.43 | WobWork | What's the frequency, Kenneth? |
| 05:11.37 | cybermind | WobWork: 50mhz |
| 05:12.36 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:12.44 | Amarande | can you lock frames in pitbull *without* making them click thru? |
| 05:13.12 | Amarande | I'd like to be able to click me or my pet to target them quickly (especially me, since clicking yourself in the field won't target you) |
| 05:13.15 | Amarande | but I don't want to accidentally drag me |
| 05:13.57 | Arrowmaster | cybermind: sometimes it breaks |
| 05:14.05 | cybermind | good to know |
| 05:14.15 | Amarande | oh, derp. |
| 05:14.18 | Amarande | didn't see that option. |
| 05:14.24 | Amarande | guh. |
| 05:14.40 | Amarande | I'm also starting to think curse client is a bad idea nowadays |
| 05:15.11 | Amarande | curse has started becoming woefully out of date on some things, like xperl and auctioneer |
| 05:15.28 | WobWork | Amarande: F1 |
| 05:15.29 | Amarande | they *still* haven't put up the new xperl that fixes the health bar bug, nor the Auctioneer that fixes the "48 is 24" bug |
| 05:15.52 | WobWork | and isn't shift-F1 your pet or something? |
| 05:16.07 | Amarande | ahh, I keep forgetting about the F keys |
| 05:16.08 | cybermind | i know F1F1 is |
| 05:16.12 | Shirik | Adys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdqg5Wz3X_0 |
| 05:16.17 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: so yell at the authors |
| 05:16.18 | cybermind | not sure about shift f1 |
| 05:16.28 | WobWork | I knew there was some F1 combination |
| 05:16.32 | WobWork | just not precisely what it was |
| 05:16.37 | cybermind | doubel tapping an F key gives you that person's pet |
| 05:16.38 | cybermind | if he has one |
| 05:16.42 | Amarande | and damned if I'm going to install Ace Updater to keep xperl updated. Pitbull it is. |
| 05:17.00 | Amarande | because Ace Updater is a piece of bloated shit that includes all sorts of crap it has no need or business including :S |
| 05:17.19 | WobWork | ace updater? |
| 05:17.20 | Amarande | (seriously I think more of its code may be to ensure the push of ads than to actually DO what it's supposed to ...) |
| 05:17.31 | cybermind | you could try to like...check their homepages |
| 05:17.43 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: wtf are you smoking now? |
| 05:17.55 | Amarande | Arrow: actually, I haven't tried it lately, so I don't know if it still sucks like that |
| 05:18.06 | Arrowmaster | do you mean the Curse Client? |
| 05:18.11 | Amarande | but a while ago, think it was still during TBC, I tried the Ace installer/updater tool |
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| 05:18.33 | Amarande | and it was utter bloated crap that concerned itself more with its ads than its functionality, to the point that I eventually had to stop using it because the ad code was apparently causing it to crash on Vista |
| 05:18.41 | Amarande | the Curse Client isn't so bad |
| 05:18.51 | Amarande | but apparently curse doesn't keep ace addons as up to date as wowace |
| 05:18.58 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 05:19.03 | Amarande | unless curse isn't allowed to do so, anyway |
| 05:19.03 | Arrowmaster | its the same fucking site |
| 05:19.12 | Amarande | Arrow: can't be |
| 05:19.15 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 05:19.17 | Arrowmaster | trust me |
| 05:19.17 | Adys | Shirik: old |
| 05:19.20 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:19.22 | Amarande | because DWSR said the latest x-perl fixed the health bar issue |
| 05:19.31 | Amarande | I HAD the latest x-perl that Curse Client had available to it |
| 05:19.31 | Arrowmaster | maybe its an alpha |
| 05:19.32 | Adys | Shirik: perusse wins btw:p |
| 05:19.37 | Amarande | if wowace = curse ... |
| 05:19.59 | Amarande | yeah, maybe it's an alpha |
| 05:20.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ... o-) |
| 05:20.07 | Amarande | though I'm kinda leery of using alpha addons if the *release* is that buggy :) |
| 05:20.15 | NightHawkTheSane | wowace has been curse for what, like 2 years now? |
| 05:20.19 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:20.28 | Amarande | Night: like I said, last time I used "ace updater" was during TBC |
| 05:20.46 | Amarande | the last I recall was that either Vista, a Vista update, or an IE update b0rked that particular updater |
| 05:20.50 | NightHawkTheSane | that has nothing to do with it |
| 05:20.56 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: the release version was for 3.3.0, the latest alpha is for 3.3.3 |
| 05:20.59 | Amarande | for the sole reason that it cared more about securing Ace's ad income than about actually doing what it was supposed to do. |
| 05:21.44 | Arrowmaster | remember the wowace.com server bill was in the 5 digits per month range before it merged with curse |
| 05:21.54 | WobWork | Amarande: Come into the light |
| 05:21.56 | Amarande | good god |
| 05:22.03 | Amarande | what CrapCo hosts do these people like wowace and Something Awful *use* |
| 05:22.08 | WobWork | Curse is Our Friend |
| 05:22.19 | Arrowmaster | actually curse was hosting it then too i think |
| 05:22.21 | Amarande | commercial hosts sell unlimited diskspace/BW for like ... 11$ a month now |
| 05:22.33 | WobWork | 'unlimited' |
| 05:22.34 | Arrowmaster | lol no |
| 05:22.55 | Amarande | and even before that ... Dreamhost was selling like, half a tera of diskspace and several tera of bandwidth for 45$ a month |
| 05:23.24 | Arrowmaster | lol dreamhost |
| 05:23.40 | Amarande | unless curse is using in the peta or exa range |
| 05:23.56 | Amarande | but that would boggle me, since I seem to recall reading an exabyte is about like *the entire internet* |
| 05:24.08 | WobWork | it was in tera I believe |
| 05:24.18 | Arrowmaster | i dont know calculate how much usage 4Gbps would be for a month |
| 05:25.06 | Amarande | anyway ... what do you mean "lol dreamhost" |
| 05:25.19 | Amarande | I've never seen it have any major issues, apart from the email server's spam filter being way too overzealous |
| 05:25.47 | Arrowmaster | companys do not use dreamhost, only small shit sites do |
| 05:25.54 | Arrowmaster | 8 (gigabits per second) = 84.37500 terabytes per day |
| 05:25.56 | Arrowmaster | from google |
| 05:26.20 | Arrowmaster | curse has maxed out an 8 Gbps link for multiple days on major patches |
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| 05:28.10 | Amarande | you know, with bills like that in this economy ... I'm surprised they haven't made adblockers considered illegal hacking devices :) |
| 05:29.18 | Amarande | Arrow: yowch. |
| 05:29.48 | Amarande | that's like, two and a half petabytes a month? |
| 05:31.21 | Amarande | so people had better stop considering Doubleclick the great Satan and start thinking of it as the partnership device by which the web business community as a whole shares its money to allow, well, much of any of them to continue to exist? :S |
| 05:32.20 | Amarande | (I'd say Google Ads, but since I actually see Google Ads for third party products less and less often, instead almost constantly seeing Nexus One ads instead ... LOL) |
| 05:32.38 | Amarande | yes, google, I know, I want a nexus one, I don't HAVE THE CASH RIGHT NOW |
| 05:32.40 | Amarande | kthx |
| 05:33.37 | Amarande | I didn't even need ads to tell me I want a nexus one, they just taunt me and remind me of this fact of not having the cash. :P |
| 05:33.48 | Amarande | I learned I wanted a nexus one when one of my friends who works for Google showed me his at a party. :) |
| 05:34.36 | Cairenn | rolls her eyes at ignorance |
| 05:34.55 | Shirik | pets Cairenn |
| 05:35.58 | Cairenn | hugs Shirik |
| 05:39.30 | kd3 | so is general bitching about school of hard knocks yet? |
| 05:39.53 | WobWork | should be due |
| 05:40.12 | WobWork | I finally... FINALLY am able to sell off the chocolate cake I've been mailbouncing for the past year =P |
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| 06:05.15 | Amarande | also: I need to be careful about pitbull, too |
| 06:05.22 | Amarande | in xperl, I died a couple times because my health bar didn't work |
| 06:05.34 | Amarande | ... with pitbull, apparently I'm getting low on HP because I'm just not watching my health bar period LOL |
| 06:06.28 | Amarande | though that could also be because I'm getting cocky farming high 50's elites with a 64 DK |
| 06:07.39 | Amarande | still trying to get that arcanite dragonling for the hunter. |
| 06:07.48 | Amarande | (that, and it's just a good source of leather for the eventual grind on my druid) |
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| 06:15.08 | Adys | ROFL: http://xkcd.com/735/ |
| 06:16.51 | Shirik | ._. |
| 06:17.26 | Adys | http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-tooltip.xml?i=49977&r=Bloodhoof&cn=Adys&s=10 |
| 06:17.28 | Adys | http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-tooltip.xml?i=49977&r=Bloodhoof&cn=Adys&s=11 |
| 06:17.30 | Adys | Go figure. |
| 06:17.59 | Shirik | unacceptable |
| 06:18.07 | kd3 | ...the hell? |
| 06:18.09 | Shirik | I'm bored :( |
| 06:18.23 | Adys | Shirik, watch porn |
| 06:18.27 | Adys | I hear Fisker is in it |
| 06:18.48 | Adys | kd3: apparently, somewhere in the armory tooltip backend, there is an "if slot == 11 then crash() end" |
| 06:19.02 | zenzio | "However, the MATLAB developers still haven't gotten around to implementing even basic arithmetic operations for 64-bit integers. Attempting to add, divide, subtract, or multiply two 64-bit integers will result in an error message saying that the corresponding method does not exist" |
| 06:19.05 | Amarande | Adys, does this item exist? |
| 06:19.16 | Adys | did you click both urls..? |
| 06:19.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: that xkcd is extremely freaky, as my friends & i were talking about that exact same thing just yesterday |
| 06:19.33 | Amarande | Night, *does* this item exist? |
| 06:19.42 | Adys | Amarande: look at the urls. |
| 06:20.08 | Amarande | Adys: I mean the item I'm trying to find. :) |
| 06:20.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: just once, i'll pretend you're not actually an idiot, and didn't ask me about something entirely unrelated to what i just said. |
| 06:20.14 | Amarande | specifically, the Arcanite Dragonling schematic |
| 06:20.51 | Amarande | this is like my fifth or sixth intensive farming session, and I've gotten a nice amount of leather and XP, and yet another greater arcane prot potion formula, but still no dragonling :| |
| 06:20.54 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: odds are rather high tbh |
| 06:21.08 | Adys | how many kids did that. seriously |
| 06:21.09 | Adys | a lot |
| 06:21.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: oh, i'm sure |
| 06:21.19 | Adys | theres been a lot of talking about cataclysm lately |
| 06:21.26 | Adys | plus all the volcanic activities from last month |
| 06:21.43 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, volcano never even came up :P |
| 06:21.53 | Adys | not to mention how many people watched 2012 because of Mediaism |
| 06:22.12 | Adys | odds can be eruptively high |
| 06:22.12 | zenzio | Amarande: http://www.wowhead.com/npc=35826#comments seems interesting, did you try that? |
| 06:22.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i think the conversation actually started after we were walking back from the coffee shop, and my friend said "white lines only!" while crossing the street :P |
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| 06:22.40 | Amarande | zenzio: by that point, I'll be 75+ on the engineer and the dragonling won't be worth getting anymore :) |
| 06:22.51 | NightHawkTheSane | still, the chances of us discussing that topic literally the day before xkcd does a comic about it is rather disconcerting :P |
| 06:23.02 | zenzio | Amarande: oh, I assumed you were another of the completionist-80s |
| 06:23.19 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: time doesn't properly scale |
| 06:23.34 | Adys | if you discussed it last week, you'd have been just as impressed, and said, "we were talking about it just last week!" |
| 06:23.58 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe, although i expect few of us would have remembered it ;) |
| 06:24.00 | Adys | and as you go further in time, the odds of an event happening (a conversation topic occuring) rise up indefinitely high |
| 06:24.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well sure, but thats a given |
| 06:24.19 | Adys | you can remember conversation topics for a very long time |
| 06:24.32 | Adys | you cannot cite them, but by mention you will remember them |
| 06:24.37 | zenzio | it's not like you and xkcd are the first to think like this |
| 06:24.43 | zenzio | you just notice it now because you recently did think about it |
| 06:24.50 | Adys | exactly |
| 06:24.57 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzio: which is -ENTIRELY- the oint |
| 06:25.00 | NightHawkTheSane | point* |
| 06:25.02 | zenzio | still funny |
| 06:25.14 | Adys | zenzio: ive been using that wormhole thingy since a couple of weeks after wotlk came out |
| 06:25.19 | Adys | very regularly |
| 06:25.28 | Adys | probably over 100 times by now |
| 06:25.35 | Adys | havent ever seen the "Underground" option |
| 06:25.51 | Amarande | and the blue BoP tailoring pattern which I can't even use has been dropping like candy from a pinata meanwhile :( |
| 06:25.55 | zenzio | Adys: ah, I see. Don't have any engineers myself |
| 06:26.13 | Adys | its probably one of those crazy-ass rare thingies again |
| 06:26.47 | WobWork | All bears should be engineers |
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| 06:30.31 | Amarande | *sigh* hai thar robe of winter night pattern no 6 |
| 06:32.00 | Amarande | and the most useful item a DK can ever find! A Major Mana Potion! |
| 06:32.33 | msoul | I sell it t oa vendor |
| 06:32.38 | msoul | don't bother much with AH :( |
| 06:32.57 | Amarande | Why thank you, Cobalts! I had no mana, so that potion should help me very much! </sarcasm> |
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| 06:35.30 | NightHawkTheSane | well, you know, its obvious that the items that drop are exactly tailored to you, so you SHOULD thank them |
| 06:40.33 | Amarande | GAPP recipe #2 ... |
| 06:41.00 | Amarande | random loot sucks. :P |
| 06:41.03 | zenzio | perfect for Malygos fight! |
| 06:51.16 | zenzio | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/05/01/demotivational-posters-applause/ |
| 06:51.34 | Shirik | how is that demotivational |
| 06:52.01 | zenzio | most of the "demotivationals" aren't anymore |
| 06:53.06 | Shirik | that's sad |
| 06:53.15 | Shirik | I'm going to sue them for false advertising |
| 07:02.38 | Amarande | zenzio: the old Greater Arcane Protection Potion from vanilla is still useful there? :) |
| 07:02.48 | Antiarc | Dear everyone |
| 07:02.49 | Antiarc | http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/263/1272744946936.gif |
| 07:02.52 | Antiarc | Sweet dreams. |
| 07:02.55 | zenzio | Amarande: no, that was me being sarcastic :-p |
| 07:06.45 | WobWork | Antiarc: that's awesome =) |
| 07:07.06 | WobWork | it would be scarier if they looked more like real arms |
| 07:07.13 | WobWork | instead of made from clay |
| 07:11.17 | batrick | exit |
| 07:11.21 | batrick | oops |
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| 07:21.53 | Amarande | steps into Light's Hope Chapel and laughs |
| 07:22.01 | Amarande | apparently, I can still get attunement to EPL Naxx. :D |
| 07:25.17 | Elkano | but no way to get my Atiesh :( |
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| 07:34.19 | WobWork | Amarande: The spirit catching machine is awesome to use in Dalaran though |
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| 07:34.34 | WobWork | The one with the huge ground effect |
| 07:35.49 | Shirik | yawns |
| 07:36.03 | haste | throws a cookie at Shirik's mouth. |
| 07:36.10 | Shirik | catches the cookie |
| 07:36.53 | zenzio | now haste is tracking you |
| 07:37.10 | airtonix | russian grade sam platform |
| 07:37.50 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:39.51 | Zyn | also, python is awesome |
| 07:40.07 | Shirik | no |
| 07:40.13 | Shirik | I will ban you |
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| 08:21.01 | airtonix | haha shirik hates anything you don't pay for. |
| 08:21.10 | airtonix | zyn will pay with blood |
| 08:21.30 | Zyn | its caffeine-flavored |
| 08:21.59 | airtonix | Zyn, interesting, does this mean it's purchased from a shelf ? |
| 08:22.53 | Zyn | just excessive intake of various drinks contain that magical substance |
| 08:23.00 | Zyn | containiiiiing* |
| 08:23.19 | airtonix | cocaine? |
| 08:23.38 | Zyn | IM DR ROCKSO, I DO COCAIIIIIINE |
| 08:23.55 | airtonix | the authorities have been notified. do not try to leave your house/. |
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| 08:34.21 | airtonix | lol > http://www.icanhasmotivation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/633670037983168238_bacon.jpg |
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| 09:14.54 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 09:14.55 | Fisker | i need sleep |
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| 09:25.57 | harl | wuff |
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| 09:42.11 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92IkddsjtAA&feature=player_embedded |
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| 09:42.16 | Wobin | best scene ever in a movie |
| 09:42.49 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: I agree. |
| 09:43.18 | jnwhiteh | okay, and with that Im' off. |
| 09:43.19 | Wobin | with Tim Curry about to burst into laughter |
| 09:46.31 | zenzio | ... what movie is that from? |
| 09:46.44 | jnwhiteh | Clue |
| 09:46.51 | jnwhiteh | only one of the best movie in the WORLD |
| 09:47.01 | jnwhiteh | alright, I'm off to the office. |
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| 09:51.31 | Wobin | http://www.realtimelords.com/checkout.doctors.coat.html |
| 09:52.11 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 09:55.28 | Wobin | http://twolumps.net/d/20100503.html |
| 09:55.30 | Wobin | ^^ |
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| 09:58.48 | Wobin | also http://www.mouthman.com/ |
| 09:59.10 | olafski | cool coat |
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| 10:10.38 | miica | hi :) |
| 10:10.49 | miica | problem with lua tables :/ |
| 10:11.07 | miica | here is what i am trying to do: http://pastebin.com/GQcNi09t :3 |
| 10:12.12 | [Ammo] | have to use pairs instead of ipairs |
| 10:12.14 | miica | and i = name and v = points |
| 10:12.17 | miica | ok :o |
| 10:12.18 | [Ammo] | ipairs only works on numeric index |
| 10:12.28 | [Ammo] | and name doesn't sound numeric :p |
| 10:12.48 | miica | so simple.. |
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| 10:32.34 | miica | and is this correct... GuildMembers[name] = {note=note,online=online,class=class}; |
| 10:34.37 | Maldivia | the syntax is correct, if that's what you're asking |
| 10:34.54 | miica | yeah |
| 10:34.59 | Maldivia | as if it's correct in your context, I can't say :P |
| 10:35.57 | Maldivia | but assuming GuildMembers is a table, and name is non-nil, then it should work |
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| 10:50.45 | miica | Maldivia: well this syntax is correct too? GuildMembers[name] = {["note"]=note,["online"]=online,["class"]=class}; |
| 10:51.01 | miica | Maldivia: and how that table key system works |
| 10:51.52 | miica | Maldivia: like if i do "for k,v in pairs(GuildMembers) do print(k,v); end it will print "name and table key" |
| 10:52.12 | industrial | key and value, yes |
| 10:53.21 | miica | yeah but it is "table key" which points to this {["note"]=note,["online"]=online,["class"]=class}; |
| 10:54.18 | miica | something like this "Seppo table: 63E7AA18" |
| 10:56.28 | industrial | well you are doing for k, v in pairs(GuildMembers) and not pairs(GuildMembers[name]) |
| 10:58.03 | miica | oops ofc i get data out of table with k later |
| 10:58.21 | miica | GuildMembers[k]["note"] :P |
| 11:15.05 | Wobin | what's the command for the mac fps fix? |
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| 11:39.25 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:39.27 | Fisker | you |
| 11:40.29 | miica | can i add data to tables like this TableName[] = "foobar" or i need to use table.insert? |
| 11:42.00 | Maldivia | can't do t[] = x |
| 11:42.50 | Elkano | t[#t+1]="bla" could work |
| 11:42.53 | Maldivia | t[#t+1] = x |
| 11:42.56 | Maldivia | hehe :) |
| 11:42.58 | Elkano | :P |
| 11:45.50 | miica | :< |
| 11:45.55 | miica | lua sucks |
| 11:49.24 | Xyphoid | so, viewing .blp files |
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| 11:49.37 | Xyphoid | i expect this is a faq |
| 11:50.42 | Kalroth | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=viewing+.blp+files ?! |
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| 11:54.03 | Xyphoid | well i was up to my third app that allegedly did this heh |
| 11:54.48 | zenzio | Xnview can display most of them; I thought Irfanview also could |
| 11:55.17 | Xyphoid | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/BUTTONS.list solved it |
| 12:04.39 | miica | somebody link me nice ui tutorial :< |
| 12:09.11 | amro | the best tutorial is still looking at addons that do what you want |
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| 12:12.04 | miica | :< |
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| 12:16.06 | Guest12345 | hi |
| 12:17.22 | Guest12345 | anybody there? ;) |
| 12:19.05 | miica | http://pastebin.com/nu1Nnrt9 i did something like this.. :P |
| 12:19.10 | miica | but can't see it :O |
| 12:20.07 | miica | i am missing something? :D |
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| 12:20.49 | Maldivia | miica: a Frame doesn't show anything, unless there are some kind of textures on it |
| 12:21.06 | Maldivia | for instance a backdrop |
| 12:21.23 | miica | hmm.. |
| 12:21.58 | Guest12345 | small question |
| 12:22.12 | Guest12345 | if I make a bindings.xml with my addon, will the bindings save in the bindings-cache? |
| 12:22.43 | Guest12345 | therefor letting me set button1 (mousebutton) to an addon function |
| 12:24.44 | Maldivia | miica, try something like GuildMembersFrame:SetBackdrop({ bgFile= "Interface/Tooltips/UI-Tooltip-Background", edgeFile = "Interface\\DialogFrame\\UI-DialogBox-Border", tile="true", tileSize = 32, edgeSize = 32, insets = { left = 11, right = 12, top = 12, bottom = 11 }}) |
| 12:24.52 | DJJeff | can someone explain this to me? |
| 12:24.53 | DJJeff | http://i44.tinypic.com/2rpz4h3.png |
| 12:25.20 | airtonix | when the bees and the birds get together... |
| 12:25.59 | Maldivia | Guest12345: they should be saved in the bindings-cache, but as to binding mouse1, don't know if that'll work |
| 12:26.19 | Guest12345 | alright, that's good enough for me :) |
| 12:26.22 | Guest12345 | thanks maldivia |
| 12:26.26 | miica | Maldivia: well same goes with buttons? |
| 12:26.50 | Guest12345 | love you <3 |
| 12:27.13 | Maldivia | miica: if you create a button from scracth, then yeah, if you use one of the templates, they usually already have textures on them, so you should be able to see them |
| 12:29.15 | DJJeff | *cough* |
| 12:29.26 | DJJeff | ouch its dusty in here |
| 12:29.32 | DJJeff | i need some fresh air |
| 12:30.22 | Maldivia | miica: for instance, local button = CreateFrame("Button", nil, UIParent, "GameMenuButtonTemplate") button:SetPoint("CENTER") button:Show() |
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| 12:32.35 | miica | Maldivia: this will be world ugliest ui :D |
| 12:33.13 | Maldivia | miica: well, you can always make it pretty when it works :P |
| 12:33.48 | miica | :) |
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| 13:26.29 | Wobin | woot |
| 13:26.32 | Wobin | 4.9 GS |
| 13:26.45 | Wobin | Got me some gloves and boots from Marrowgar and Saurfang |
| 13:26.55 | Wobin | or was it Deathwhisper |
| 13:27.45 | zenzio | you must be naked |
| 13:28.22 | Cide | funnay |
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| 13:39.22 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/dirty_mind_industrial_porn.jpg |
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| 13:43.44 | Maldivia | mikma: and here I though it had somehing to do with industrial :P |
| 13:43.58 | mikma | i was hoping so |
| 13:44.02 | mikma | he called me a dickhead! |
| 13:44.19 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no! Bad Indie! |
| 13:45.09 | Wobin | Indie =( |
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| 14:12.17 | miica | Maldivia: how hell i get editboxes work? if i type something and press esc it will hide or destroy my editboxes :< |
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| 14:14.28 | Kalroth | .. |
| 14:15.03 | miica | well it is realy wierd :D |
| 14:15.21 | Guest75759 | No it's not. |
| 14:15.35 | DWSR | There we go. Services finally fucking unlocked my name. |
| 14:15.47 | Kalroth | Pressing ESC means you want to abort, try pressing enter |
| 14:16.18 | miica | well pressing enter dont let me get out of it |
| 14:16.51 | miica | and if i set editbox numeric it dont allow me put minus in it so it cant take negative numbers :'( |
| 14:17.04 | Kraps | try pressing the any key |
| 14:17.13 | miica | any key adds any key in it :< |
| 14:17.35 | Kraps | "Children in Grades 3 through 6 who are obese are more likely to be bullied than their normal-weight peers, a new study has found." |
| 14:17.37 | miica | editboxes sucks |
| 14:17.43 | Kraps | OH GOD WHY |
| 14:17.45 | DWSR | Kraps: NO WAI |
| 14:18.06 | Kraps | GIVE ME THE MONEY, NOT THESE "RESEARCHERS" |
| 14:19.05 | miica | maybe i need to add some functionality in them :D |
| 14:19.18 | Kraps | "Being a JOCK in school means you probably wont get picked on took months of research and taxpayer cash to get this info to you folks but here it is" |
| 14:20.06 | Kraps | "In other news, scientists have discovered that water is wet and the sun is hot." |
| 14:20.20 | Kraps | go cnn comments |
| 14:21.34 | Kraps | http://www.cad-comic.com/sillies/ |
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| 14:27.24 | miica | i liked wowace editboxes :< |
| 14:28.38 | Mihau | Eh? |
| 14:29.40 | miica | well found way to change esc :< |
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| 14:52.37 | robotusch | http://mmad.dk/wow/WoWScrnShot_102108_012641.jpg :( |
| 14:52.52 | DWSR | zomg! |
| 14:52.54 | DWSR | It's Fisker! |
| 14:53.43 | Fisker | naaw |
| 14:53.44 | Fisker | imposter |
| 14:53.59 | Kalroth | Will the real Fisker please stand up |
| 14:54.14 | airtonix | can someone give me my meme back |
| 14:54.42 | DWSR | nup |
| 14:54.43 | zenzelezz | "Amazon.co.uk: Up to 50% off selected vampire fiction books. As you've shown an interest in similar books, we thought you'd like to know [...]" - what the hell Amazon? Science fiction is not "similar" to vampire fiction! |
| 14:55.21 | Ackis | haha you got busted reading twilight |
| 14:55.36 | DWSR | ^ |
| 14:55.37 | robotusch | ^^ |
| 14:56.03 | airtonix | ackis speaks from experience. |
| 14:56.21 | Ackis | nah I only watched the first movie.. a very painful experience |
| 14:56.55 | airtonix | the watching or the being busted? |
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| 14:58.04 | robotusch | aiee |
| 14:58.31 | Ackis | watching it was painful :( |
| 14:58.34 | zenzelezz | the only books on my Amazon account are by Peter F. Hamilton (science fiction), the Dune series, Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, and computer programming books |
| 14:58.42 | zenzelezz | (also... Amazon's order history = fail) |
| 14:58.45 | Fisker | trips Ackis |
| 14:59.59 | airtonix | my local library had all of alastair reynolds recent books... i thought that was pretty pro. |
| 15:00.23 | airtonix | revelation space is great. |
| 15:00.24 | zenzelezz | who? |
| 15:00.40 | airtonix | if you like hamilton you will like reynolds |
| 15:01.00 | Shirik | trips Fisker |
| 15:01.21 | zenzelezz | airtonix: thanks for the tip |
| 15:01.22 | airtonix | neal ashers 'brass man' series is good too |
| 15:03.32 | miica | Now i should make own texture on button.. I want it to be item icon :o |
| 15:04.09 | miica | I need to use this http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/CreateTexture ? |
| 15:08.51 | Kraps | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/236.html |
| 15:23.36 | Kraps | http://i40.tinypic.com/vqi24z.jpg |
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| 15:27.43 | Lopeppeppy | wishes they'd turn off the heat already. |
| 15:28.09 | zenzelezz | how hot is it? |
| 15:28.12 | airtonix | lizard not like heat ? |
| 15:28.44 | Lopeppeppy | ~kalb |
| 15:29.26 | Lopeppeppy | Purl must be asleep. Right now it's around 80, about 90% humidity. I could cope, if they would turn off the heat in my office building. |
| 15:29.35 | zenzelezz | ~weather kalb |
| 15:29.56 | zenzelezz | ~weather encn |
| 15:30.31 | jnwhiteh | I dunno what the code for oxford is =/ |
| 15:30.53 | airtonix | ~gief-code-for-oxford-NAO |
| 15:31.09 | Lopeppeppy | Keep in mind, Albany is about 40 minutes south of me, we get much higher humidity in the stupid mountains. |
| 15:31.59 | jnwhiteh | ~weather EGTK |
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| 15:33.10 | jnwhiteh | ~weather egtk |
| 15:33.15 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 15:33.16 | jnwhiteh | bizarrew |
| 15:33.17 | jnwhiteh | i quit |
| 15:33.21 | airtonix | why no search ? |
| 15:33.31 | zenzelezz | those sites give you the codes |
| 15:33.34 | jnwhiteh | I did search |
| 15:33.38 | airtonix | too lazy |
| 15:33.48 | jnwhiteh | The ICAO code for Oxford is what I listed above |
| 15:34.03 | jnwhiteh | hence, I quit. |
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| 15:36.12 | miica | http://kosto.servut.us/fails.jpg here is how it looks like |
| 15:36.20 | miica | and code http://pastebin.com/XCUC9YmP :P |
| 15:36.52 | miica | those MSPoints and OSPoints textures fail |
| 15:37.18 | miica | also tried to add icon texture in to Icon but failed :P |
| 15:44.02 | DWSR | ~weather CYYZ |
| 15:44.18 | DWSR | WFM |
| 15:45.21 | Adys | oi jnwhiteh |
| 15:45.25 | DWSR | Does anyone know what Facebook's "Mark this person as someone you don't know at all" does? |
| 15:46.13 | Lopeppeppy | Probably not a damn thing, from their recent lack-of-privacy settings. |
| 15:46.14 | Adys | it marks someone as someone you don't know at all |
| 15:46.25 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 15:47.01 | Shirik | ~weather KOXF |
| 15:47.22 | Shirik | that is strange jnwhiteh |
| 15:47.38 | DWSR | ~g ICAO code for Oxford University |
| 15:47.39 | Lopeppeppy | Eddie's in the space time continuum, no doubt. |
| 15:48.02 | Shirik | aha |
| 15:48.10 | DWSR | ~weather EGTK |
| 15:48.11 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: oxford has no METAR data for whatever reason |
| 15:48.31 | Shirik | is it a small airport? |
| 15:48.53 | Kalroth | I wonder .. |
| 15:48.56 | DWSR | Shirik: Grats on wp100 |
| 15:48.58 | Kalroth | ~weather STFU |
| 15:49.01 | Shirik | thanks :P |
| 15:49.04 | Kalroth | hehe! |
| 15:49.21 | Kalroth | that would have been the best station code |
| 15:49.34 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 15:49.34 | Shirik | there probably is this one |
| 15:49.37 | Shirik | ~weather KTHX |
| 15:49.41 | Shirik | aw |
| 15:49.48 | DWSR | ~weather ORLY |
| 15:49.49 | Kalroth | "You are good to start landing, STFU over!" |
| 15:50.11 | Shirik | your problem is that the first letter tends to signify the country |
| 15:50.16 | Shirik | and "S" and "O" aren't particularly common :) |
| 15:50.29 | Shirik | K is every airport in the US and a few others around the world |
| 15:50.39 | Kalroth | oh |
| 15:50.44 | DWSR | Your mom is every airport in the US and a few others around the world. |
| 15:50.44 | Kalroth | ~weather KILL |
| 15:51.08 | DWSR | ~weather BILL |
| 15:51.15 | Shirik | ~weather KILL |
| 15:51.19 | Kalroth | :( |
| 15:51.23 | Kalroth | aha! |
| 15:51.26 | DWSR | Win! |
| 15:51.26 | Danny-xh5ij2 | lol |
| 15:51.27 | Kalroth | I won! |
| 15:51.31 | Shirik | KILL 141255Z AUTO 30013G25KT 10SM OVC015 M03/ºzÅ âÅ âÅ¡1AÃ
12 T10281056 |
| 15:51.33 | Shirik | oh |
| 15:51.35 | Shirik | purl already responded |
| 15:52.36 | Kalroth | ~weather 40952 |
| 15:53.15 | Kalroth | heh |
| 15:53.19 | Kalroth | ~weather NZSP |
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| 15:58.18 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:58.29 | Lopeppeppy | faints in Lunessa's arms. |
| 15:58.52 | Lunessa | rushes Lopeppeppy to the shade and administers a mint julip. |
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| 15:59.07 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, mints. |
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| 16:00.09 | Fisker | kinda chilly Kalroth |
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| 16:08.19 | Kraps | was just in a level 80 EOTS |
| 16:08.25 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.33 | DWSR | Kraps: EotS is the worst BG. |
| 16:08.44 | Kraps | no it isnt |
| 16:08.56 | Kraps | its the damn holiday |
| 16:09.04 | DWSR | IT's still the worst. |
| 16:09.42 | Kraps | dont agree |
| 16:10.00 | DWSR | Which one do you think is the worst? |
| 16:10.09 | Kraps | wsg |
| 16:10.55 | Kraps | how am i supposed to get honor? |
| 16:11.34 | Shirik | I hate EotS too |
| 16:11.42 | Shirik | and in wsg |
| 16:11.48 | airtonix | Kraps, 1) wear spandex 2) carry kitchen knife 3) roam the streets at night |
| 16:11.51 | Shirik | you get an awesome group of 15 people, cap 3 flags in 5 seconds |
| 16:11.55 | Shirik | win |
| 16:11.57 | Shirik | next game |
| 16:12.00 | DWSR | Shirik: 10* |
| 16:12.02 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 16:12.03 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 16:12.03 | Shirik | whatever! |
| 16:12.33 | Kraps | never happened |
| 16:12.40 | airtonix | i have photoes |
| 16:14.32 | Shirik | ~failwsr |
| 16:15.54 | Cide | sorry, we only designed a custom fail for you |
| 16:16.34 | durcyn | factoids being as hard to define as they are, |
| 16:18.00 | olafski | and here I thought that the "worst" BG was a matter of opinion :P |
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| 16:19.11 | zenzelezz | it is a matter of opinion - Kraps' opinion! |
| 16:19.44 | airtonix | opinions are like... |
| 16:20.24 | Shirik | Cide: In my own little world you all have custom fails and I do not |
| 16:20.42 | Cide | <Shirik> Cide: In my own little world |
| 16:21.05 | airtonix | chuckles |
| 16:21.24 | Kraps | you all suck btw |
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| 16:26.24 | Ackis | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/aot1.png?w=497&h=447 MAKE ME A SAMMICH NAO |
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| 16:27.06 | que | olafski: oh hai |
| 16:27.21 | olafski | hai |
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| 16:32.56 | Lunessa | Worst Battleground for me has always been Warsong Gulch - unless you go with at least 5 friends, count on 20 minutes of agony. |
| 16:33.27 | Spejnar | meh, you get a icc tank and a resto druid, always as fun |
| 16:34.15 | Nechckn | Lunessa could not agree more. |
| 16:34.52 | zenzelezz | I think it's up to Lunessa to say whether he agrees |
| 16:35.13 | Lunessa | And I'm sick to death of hearing all the QQ for Children's Week. Damnit, I just need three more PVP achievements and every bg is full of guys pissing and moaning about how I'm wrecking it and making them lose. |
| 16:35.29 | Nechckn | s/could/Could/ |
| 16:35.31 | olafski | well, I can understand they feel that way |
| 16:35.36 | Nechckn | just for you, zenzelezz =P |
| 16:35.46 | nevcairiel | i need to do all the damn children achievements still =( |
| 16:35.48 | Kraps | Lunessa: its true |
| 16:35.50 | nevcairiel | but i have no time! |
| 16:35.51 | olafski | they had to endure the same thing with me too lunessa :) |
| 16:35.55 | Kraps | not the lose part though |
| 16:35.56 | Lunessa | And yet I'm #3 or higher on KBs and I capture nodes and play decently. |
| 16:36.22 | olafski | got his first (and only, probably) 310% mount yesterday :D |
| 16:36.43 | Maldivia | well, in cataclysm, 310 is trainable :P |
| 16:36.45 | Lunessa | I need those three goals, and I finish the world event meta-achievement. And I failed last year. This year I'm getting it done. |
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| 16:37.09 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: is it? i thought they just wanted to make all mounts faster if you have one |
| 16:37.15 | Lunessa | I don't practically care to wait until NEXT year to finish these either. |
| 16:37.21 | olafski | maldivia: I assumed that has a prerequisite of having at least one 310% mount already |
| 16:37.34 | olafski | lunessa: same here =) |
| 16:37.40 | nevcairiel | I wish childrens week would go over the next weekend |
| 16:37.41 | olafski | really annoying achievement |
| 16:37.46 | nevcairiel | but noo, its only work days left |
| 16:38.02 | Lunessa | Yeah. And I'm working late tonight too. |
| 16:38.17 | nevcairiel | i hope raid is cancelled tomorrow |
| 16:38.19 | Maldivia | nevcairiel/olafski: the way I read the Q&A, was that it was trainable |
| 16:38.23 | Kraps | nevcairiel: WHAT |
| 16:38.30 | Maldivia | guess we'll have to wait a few more days to find out |
| 16:38.41 | Kraps | I'M TRYING TO FARM HONOR FOR GEAR |
| 16:39.05 | nevcairiel | I thought it was some thing about having one mount, and then all get fast |
| 16:39.11 | nevcairiel | so you actually use the others |
| 16:39.12 | Kraps | im getting 2-shot here! |
| 16:39.14 | olafski | that does seem more fair ;) |
| 16:39.17 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: Q: Do you intend to have all 280% flying mounts scale to 310% when a 310% mount is earned, or will only purchased mounts do so? |
| 16:39.20 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: A: Our current plan, is that in Cataclysm, you can learn a new rank of flying that lets all flying mounts move at 310% (even current 280% mounts). |
| 16:40.27 | olafski | not very conclusive imo |
| 16:41.16 | Spejnar | so is the discussion about blizz killing 25man alrdy over? |
| 16:41.30 | nevcairiel | hopefully, i like the change =P |
| 16:41.30 | Kraps | lol Spejnar |
| 16:41.35 | Spejnar | Kraps: ^^ |
| 16:42.10 | nevcairiel | People can play what they like, not what drops better loot .. i wonder how anyone can not see the benefit of that |
| 16:42.14 | ZorbaBeta | the unfounded paranoia over it is ;) |
| 16:42.27 | ZorbaBeta | personally I think most big guilds are going to stick with 25man for the increased loot |
| 16:42.33 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 16:42.46 | nevcairiel | also, if you want to be somewhere in the world ranking, you probably will be doing 25 too |
| 16:42.53 | ZorbaBeta | I also think the logic behind "they're killing it" is hilarious |
| 16:43.10 | Spejnar | ofc it is, that was my point |
| 16:43.32 | ZorbaBeta | "Blizzard is making 10-man and 25-man equivalent" --> "nobody will want to do 25-man" BUT SIMULTANEOUSLY "I, and many other people, prefer 25-man!" |
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| 16:43.42 | Maldivia | by limiting people to do either 10 or 25, they can also allow for more loot to drop in 25 |
| 16:43.44 | ZorbaBeta | like, guys, why wouldn't you just find a bunch of likeminded friends and go do 25-mans |
| 16:43.51 | Spejnar | and 25man will drop more loot per PERSON so there is still a reason to do it |
| 16:43.55 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: thats their plan :) |
| 16:44.10 | Spejnar | ZorbaBeta: if you find 24 others you enjoy playing with that arnt f*cktards, congrats to you |
| 16:44.12 | ZorbaBeta | I assume they're sticking with the current behavior where 10-man drops one piece per boss, and 25-man drops three pieces per boss |
| 16:44.12 | Lopeppeppy | There's a reason I never try to make achievements or PvP... group brainwash mindset qq. |
| 16:44.21 | Lopeppeppy | Same reason why 25mans will be hard. |
| 16:44.30 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: well, if say a 10-man boss drops 2 items, the 25 version need to drop 5, for it to be same loot/person |
| 16:44.31 | ZorbaBeta | plus increased heroism/valor points |
| 16:44.35 | Spejnar | well they are suppose to make 10man harder |
| 16:44.39 | olafski | zorbabeta: you can assume that but it hasn't been decided yet ;) |
| 16:44.39 | Spejnar | which is nice imo |
| 16:44.48 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, I'd find any other solution questionable |
| 16:45.06 | ZorbaBeta | isn't one piece per 10-man boss what currently happens? |
| 16:45.10 | Lunessa | There will be one huge benefit - for guilds. No more arguing over "But they won't take me on the 10-man they organized, even though we're a 25-man guild! QQ" |
| 16:45.15 | ZorbaBeta | more than that would be way too much loot |
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| 16:45.31 | nevcairiel | i think its 2 |
| 16:45.42 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, is it 2? alright then, it's been a while since I raided |
| 16:45.48 | Maldivia | most 10man drop 2 |
| 16:45.56 | ZorbaBeta | man, 6 pieces of loot per 25-man boss |
| 16:46.05 | ZorbaBeta | that is a lot of dkp/lootcouncil downtime between bosses |
| 16:46.08 | Spejnar | ZorbaBeta: think is its 251 vs 264 |
| 16:46.17 | Spejnar | in cata its suppose to be the same |
| 16:46.20 | Maldivia | no, 5 and one boss drops 6, and vupti, you have a better loot/person ratio :) |
| 16:46.21 | jnwhiteh | Adys: what's up? |
| 16:46.41 | Spejnar | well saurfang25 drops 3 tokens + one item |
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| 16:47.41 | olafski | 3? |
| 16:47.44 | olafski | I thought it was 2 tokens |
| 16:48.49 | Spejnar | hum, maybe it is |
| 16:48.57 | Spejnar | dun run much 25man pugs tbh |
| 16:48.58 | Maldivia | on heroic its 1 heroic badge, 2 normal and 1 item, right? |
| 16:49.10 | olafski | I don't run any pugs <3 |
| 16:49.24 | Spejnar | trying to join server best 25man pug, 11/12 is good enough for me |
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| 16:50.10 | Maldivia | Spejnar: what server? |
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| 16:50.24 | Spejnar | zenedar |
| 16:50.26 | Spejnar | horde side |
| 16:50.34 | olafski | hey I think that's in my battlegroup |
| 16:50.41 | olafski | at least in one of my battlegroups :P |
| 16:50.47 | Spejnar | then I probably owned you in pvp |
| 16:50.49 | Spejnar | l2p |
| 16:51.02 | olafski | ah, blackout |
| 16:51.04 | olafski | I don't pvp |
| 16:51.29 | Spejnar | me neither |
| 16:51.42 | Spejnar | but nothing beats killing people without resil in 2 shots |
| 16:51.43 | Spejnar | pew pew |
| 16:51.45 | Spejnar | OP hunters |
| 16:51.52 | olafski | though I did do some pvp yesterday to get the drake |
| 16:51.56 | olafski | never again |
| 16:52.03 | olafski | is a casual |
| 16:52.12 | Spejnar | me2, but its not my fault, I promise |
| 16:52.39 | olafski | oh with me it is |
| 16:52.43 | olafski | casual is a choice I'd say :) |
| 16:52.51 | Lopeppeppy | SteelSeries thinks I should get my mom a gaming mouse? |
| 16:52.55 | Spejnar | yeah, for casuals! haha |
| 16:52.56 | Spejnar | no wait.. |
| 16:55.52 | olafski | sounds like a great mother's day present |
| 16:55.56 | olafski | think I'll get my mother one too! |
| 16:57.39 | Lopeppeppy | The family that plays together stays together! |
| 16:58.28 | Kraps | Billy was a chemist |
| 16:58.30 | Kraps | Billy is no more |
| 16:58.32 | Kraps | For what he thought was H20 |
| 16:58.33 | Kraps | Was H2SO4 |
| 16:58.46 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 16:58.54 | Kraps | (i had to google H2SO4) |
| 16:59.22 | Fisker | i didn't lolol |
| 16:59.25 | NightHawkTheSane | welcome to high school chemistry? |
| 16:59.38 | Kraps | thanks |
| 16:59.46 | olafski | gg kraps :P |
| 16:59.49 | olafski | nice |
| 17:00.45 | Lopeppeppy | I just read "boom" |
| 17:10.57 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Don't get your mom the SteelSeries. Then she'll QQ about the buttons don't work right for her PVP skills. |
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| 17:18.06 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets |
| 17:18.08 | NightHawkTheSane | imo, get your mom a logitech :P |
| 17:18.14 | jnwhiteh | do we like collapsable headers, or the full listing we had before. |
| 17:18.20 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 17:18.33 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: steelseries doesn't work? Since when? |
| 17:18.54 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Just a joke. |
| 17:19.01 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 17:19.22 | Spejnar | jnwhiteh: or you can turn of scripts and its the full listing ^^ |
| 17:19.36 | jnwhiteh | Spejnar: indeed, but I'm asking which people prefer |
| 17:19.44 | Spejnar | probably full headers |
| 17:19.46 | jnwhiteh | not that I have an immense amount of time to mess with usability issues at the moment =) |
| 17:19.49 | Spejnar | makes searching easier |
| 17:20.08 | Spejnar | i.e. the ctrl-F search |
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| 17:20.17 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: in general, i like the full listing.. er, yeah, what Spejnar said |
| 17:20.23 | Spejnar | yay |
| 17:20.55 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: but, if you do keep the collapsable headers, make the "+" button more noticable. perhaps a different color, and change the cursor to the pointer/hand/whatever the appropriate css term is |
| 17:21.00 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 17:21.05 | jnwhiteh | that's just hacked together atm. |
| 17:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 17:21.17 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: which is why i talked about an "Expand all" button |
| 17:21.22 | Adys | and eventually storing the last value in a cookie |
| 17:21.37 | jnwhiteh | I just don't know why I'd want the headers on the full page |
| 17:21.42 | jnwhiteh | rather than just going to the widget page |
| 17:21.46 | jnwhiteh | but I'm weird, which is why I ask. |
| 17:21.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: also good ideas |
| 17:21.57 | Adys | well thats the thing |
| 17:22.06 | Adys | the widget page isnt always visible for someone visiting the site the 1st time |
| 17:22.26 | jnwhiteh | not sure I understand what you mean by that |
| 17:22.55 | Adys | well, to go to the page you either need a link, or to type the url |
| 17:23.15 | jnwhiteh | and there are links from both that page, and the hierarchy page |
| 17:23.26 | Adys | exactly :) |
| 17:23.38 | jnwhiteh | .. I don't understand |
| 17:23.55 | jnwhiteh | the implications that you seem to see there =) |
| 17:24.17 | Adys | okay, without this, if I want a quick method |
| 17:24.28 | Adys | FontInstance:SetShadowColor(shadowR, shadowG, shadowB, shadowAlpha) - Sets the color of the font's text shadow |
| 17:24.29 | Adys | like this |
| 17:25.01 | Adys | i have to sift through the entire page, find fontinstance, then sift through its methods |
| 17:25.15 | Adys | or i have to find a link to the fontinstance page, and then sift through its methods |
| 17:25.29 | jnwhiteh | or press control-f, or type /FontInstance at the end of the URL, or use google, etc =) |
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| 17:25.50 | jnwhiteh | none of which I think are terrible solutions |
| 17:25.50 | Adys | well the whole idea behind usability is not having to figure out how to look for it :P |
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| 17:26.14 | jnwhiteh | I just don't want to optimize for one use case only to kill another |
| 17:26.19 | Adys | a usable website is a website where I never look for something |
| 17:26.27 | Adys | you're not killing any use case |
| 17:26.31 | jnwhiteh | and I'm one person, which quite a lot on my plate |
| 17:26.39 | jnwhiteh | I am if I don't have time to implement everything. |
| 17:26.44 | jnwhiteh | and like I said, no one ever helps me with this =) |
| 17:26.53 | Adys | i can help if thats the issue :P |
| 17:27.56 | jnwhiteh | it is part of it, along with the 'bigger picture' of how things need to be organized on the site |
| 17:28.05 | jnwhiteh | our advantage over wowwiki is making these changes is trivial |
| 17:28.07 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 17:28.13 | Lopeppeppy | Always look on the bright side of death. |
| 17:28.32 | Adys | I always look on the bright side of death |
| 17:28.38 | Adys | if Fisker were to die right now, I'd be very happy |
| 17:30.00 | jnwhiteh | I'm definitely up for some help discussing how to restructure the site and make the API information available |
| 17:30.08 | jnwhiteh | considering its there for all of us =) |
| 17:30.53 | Adys | btw jnwhiteh |
| 17:31.04 | Adys | i dont remember if i told you this but |
| 17:31.29 | Adys | the links on the right, style them as tabs, get rid of the home tab and make the logo clickable to go to / |
| 17:31.55 | jnwhiteh | the logo needed to be in the background |
| 17:32.00 | jnwhiteh | i had so many issues if it wasn't |
| 17:32.05 | jnwhiteh | again, I'm open to help =) |
| 17:32.06 | Adys | doesnt prevent a link |
| 17:32.14 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items |
| 17:32.28 | Adys | (skosiris taught me that trick, gotta give it credit where its due) |
| 17:32.48 | jnwhiteh | the site was done alongside actually researching and writing the book |
| 17:32.54 | jnwhiteh | so forgive the issues that do exist |
| 17:33.28 | Adys | isnt complaining :P |
| 17:33.44 | jnwhiteh | your css is squished |
| 17:33.47 | jnwhiteh | minimal example of how to do this =) |
| 17:33.49 | Adys | sorry |
| 17:33.58 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/css/global.css |
| 17:34.00 | Adys | heres the original |
| 17:34.08 | Adys | look for #logo |
| 17:34.29 | Adys | basically you make an <a> above a bg image, display: block, width/height 100% |
| 17:34.40 | Adys | (or whatever size you wa!t) |
| 17:34.42 | Adys | want** |
| 17:34.57 | jnwhiteh | is a bit confused |
| 17:35.05 | jnwhiteh | why not just make it an <a><img> in that case? |
| 17:35.17 | Jamash | because this way it's still background |
| 17:35.40 | jnwhiteh | but the reason its in the background is because of the float right elements |
| 17:35.53 | jnwhiteh | they were getting fucked if i had a foreground element on the left |
| 17:36.16 | Adys | jnwhiteh: have the left element after the right element in the dom |
| 17:38.26 | jnwhiteh | i'll try to hack at it and see what I can do |
| 17:38.32 | jnwhiteh | but i had such a headache on this before. |
| 17:38.38 | jnwhiteh | that was always my intent. |
| 17:38.40 | Adys | one sec |
| 17:38.57 | Jamash | css/html is such a pain |
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| 17:39.50 | Adys | jnwhiteh: after <div id="navigation"></div>, add |
| 17:39.52 | Jamash | I'm not even a web developer and the minimal level of exposure I've had with it has given me headaches |
| 17:40.50 | Adys | <a href="/" id="logo" style="position: absolute; margin-left: 10px; width: 420; height: 120;"> </a> |
| 17:40.55 | Adys | er |
| 17:40.59 | Adys | 420px, 120px |
| 17:41.05 | Adys | and display: block; |
| 17:41.30 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 17:41.33 | jnwhiteh | that seems to work |
| 17:41.55 | Fisker | 1+1 = 2 |
| 17:41.58 | Adys | jnwhiteh: position: absolute is "sort of" a hack. if you have any sort of max width and so on, it will break |
| 17:41.59 | Adys | however |
| 17:42.25 | Adys | if you want to fix it, just remove position absolute, and ill see if i can fix any floating problem |
| 17:42.33 | Adys | what you might want to try is float: left |
| 17:44.47 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 17:44.51 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't need to be a background image |
| 17:44.56 | jnwhiteh | i'm happy for it to be a normal <a><img> |
| 17:45.00 | jnwhiteh | ther's no reason it shouldn't be like that |
| 17:45.04 | jnwhiteh | and i'd like to get that working, if anything, |
| 17:45.35 | Adys | <a><img> isn't very htmley |
| 17:45.43 | Adys | it's block inside inline |
| 17:45.49 | jnwhiteh | fair |
| 17:47.33 | jnwhiteh | how do i comment in CSS? |
| 17:47.38 | jnwhiteh | nvm |
| 17:47.39 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:56.16 | Ackis | FYI: Halo Reach > WoW! |
| 17:56.27 | Jamash | pfft halo |
| 17:57.13 | Shirik | comparing apples to oranges ftmfw |
| 17:57.28 | Maldivia | now, if you had said hello kitty, I would have believed you, but.. |
| 17:57.38 | Jamash | I'm amused that master chef can survive falling from miles above the ground and get up without any significant damage BUT if he falls in a lake he dies instantly |
| 17:57.45 | Ackis | hello kitty is in a class of it's own |
| 17:58.16 | Maldivia | to me, master chef is a cooking show :P |
| 17:59.57 | Nechckn | HKO is fun... for my 8-10 yo niece and nephew |
| 18:00.19 | Nechckn | just sayin' cause folks rag on the poor cat so much =) |
| 18:02.23 | Ackis | Nechckn: I've seen hello kitty vibrators and feminine hygiene products, there is a reason why the cat gets ragged on (sorry for the pun) |
| 18:02.28 | Jamash | I'm waiting for HK40K Online |
| 18:03.57 | Nechckn | Ackis was referring to HKO, not any of their other "stuff" - although, is that actual SanRio stuff, or knock offs? |
| 18:07.11 | Maldivia | hehe - the simpsons "tik tok" intro was kind of cool :) |
| 18:07.24 | Jamash | the world of officially licensed sanrio products can drive a strong man mad |
| 18:07.54 | Jamash | they have a very different attitude towards mascot characters over there |
| 18:08.13 | Maldivia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mzL56ZRXYc if anyone didn't watch simpsons last night |
| 18:08.20 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: you playing already? |
| 18:09.02 | mikma | http://forums.petrisimolin.com/media/6438/sanningen.jpg |
| 18:09.25 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: nope |
| 18:09.33 | Kraps | Why did the Computer Engineer get X-mas and Halloween mixed up? Because Oct(31) = Dec(25). |
| 18:09.40 | Kraps | ^brilliant |
| 18:10.05 | Shirik | Jamash: He's basically a computer |
| 18:10.09 | Shirik | his armor is, at least |
| 18:10.19 | Shirik | computers do not like water |
| 18:10.54 | Jamash | actually that raises an interesting point |
| 18:11.05 | Jamash | gordon freeman doesn't wear a helmet |
| 18:11.20 | Jamash | yet he goes underwater frequently |
| 18:11.30 | Jamash | does that mean he's going squish squish squish squish all the time? |
| 18:13.20 | Shirik | Wikidrama at its finest |
| 18:13.25 | Shirik | Dude, you need to take NPA 101. âTurian (talk) 1:26 pm, Today (UTCâ4) |
| 18:13.27 | Shirik | Dude, grow up. Tan | 39 1:27 pm, Today (UTCâ4) |
| 18:13.31 | Shirik | Dude, where's my car? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 1:29 pm, Today (UTCâ4) |
| 18:14.15 | Ackis | Dude, you're getting a Dell! |
| 18:16.30 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/100503.html |
| 18:16.30 | Arrowmaster | bah 1.15GB download |
| 18:16.34 | Arrowmaster | but i want to play it now! |
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| 18:16.51 | Ackis | servers just died iirc |
| 18:17.01 | Jamash | 1.15GB of what? |
| 18:17.09 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: in halflife1 he wears a helmet |
| 18:17.17 | Arrowmaster | halo reach beta |
| 18:17.31 | Fisker | i wear a helmet |
| 18:17.39 | Fisker | what are you downloading btw? |
| 18:17.49 | Arrowmaster | remember kids, always wear a 'helmet' |
| 18:17.56 | miica | I used backdrop to edit button texture but how I make text visible? |
| 18:18.00 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/the-night-helf-mohawk-returns/ |
| 18:18.13 | Fisker | old Kraps |
| 18:18.20 | Fisker | WHAT ARE YOU DOWNLOAD MR. ARROWMASTER |
| 18:18.23 | Fisker | +ING* |
| 18:18.25 | Arrowmaster | halo reach beta |
| 18:18.53 | Kraps | HEY FISKER Y SO CAPS |
| 18:20.47 | Shirik | HEY KRAPS Y SO FISKER |
| 18:21.14 | Kraps | NOOOOOOOOOO |
| 18:23.19 | Arrowmaster | wtf only 7%, DOWNLOAD FASTER DAMNIT! |
| 18:23.27 | Jamash | halo reacharound imo |
| 18:23.30 | cbreak | hmm... Stop using the Kraps Lock key please. |
| 18:23.48 | Shirik | Arrowmaster |
| 18:23.51 | Shirik | I bet you wish you had my internet now |
| 18:23.52 | Shirik | HUH |
| 18:24.04 | Kraps | http://www.instantrimshot.com/ |
| 18:24.20 | Jamash | I love that site |
| 18:24.22 | Shirik | lol kraps lock |
| 18:24.34 | Arrowmaster | not really Shirik since its only using half of my downstream |
| 18:24.49 | Shirik | I bet mine would go faster |
| 18:24.53 | Arrowmaster | my end isnt the bottleneck |
| 18:25.04 | Shirik | it would be all like "ohshi it's Shirik must give all resources to him" |
| 18:25.23 | Kraps | lolrik |
| 18:25.29 | Shirik | ~lolrik |
| 18:25.32 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:25.52 | Jamash | somebody fix purl |
| 18:26.22 | Jamash | I'll give them an internet dollar |
| 18:27.06 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/05/03/cataclysm-must-find-dungeons-before-they-appear-in-the-dungeon/ |
| 18:27.54 | Shirik | win: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Blame_Transfer_Protocol |
| 18:28.29 | Jamash | Kraps: cool |
| 18:31.54 | NightHawkTheSane | quick question: any daily quests available for a level 60 character? |
| 18:32.01 | cog|work | W. T. F..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1270113/Youre-guilty-rape-Those-skinny-jeans-tight-remove-jury-rules.html |
| 18:32.36 | Jamash | that's insane |
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| 18:32.42 | Jamash | but not atypical, sadly |
| 18:33.05 | cog|work | maybe people will stop wearing those stupid pants now |
| 18:33.27 | Fisker | WHAT DO I NEED TO GET IT ARROWMASTER? |
| 18:33.39 | Arrowmaster | halo odst |
| 18:34.13 | Fisker | fuck that |
| 18:34.15 | Fisker | i hate halo anyway |
| 18:34.18 | Jamash | NightHawkTheSane: other than BG and holiday, no |
| 18:34.23 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Fisker!~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (blasphemy) |
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| 18:34.40 | Jamash | and the bg quests are gone |
| 18:34.42 | Jamash | so no |
| 18:34.47 | jnwhiteh | HAI GUYZ |
| 18:34.54 | jnwhiteh | I CAN HAS SEO OPTIMIZATION? |
| 18:35.07 | cog|work | HAI2U WUTS GOIN ON IN HEAR? |
| 18:35.10 | jnwhiteh | I need meta-keywords and meta-description for wowprogramming.com |
| 18:35.34 | Jamash | you need a wowprogrammingcats section |
| 18:35.37 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: >.> i'm not really sure I'm fond of that ruling, although I'm also equally not sure I disagree with it |
| 18:36.10 | cog|work | if it gets people to wear pants that actually fit......... >< |
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| 18:37.22 | nevcairiel | shh, girls are hot in tight jeans |
| 18:37.29 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: *shrug* it's a fine line. I'm not really into condeming what people wear, within reason, and I'm very hesitant to say "skinny jeans" fall outside of reason. |
| 18:37.34 | jnwhiteh | I stole from wowi at the moment :P |
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| 18:38.16 | Shirik | haha Kraps |
| 18:38.18 | Shirik | check this out |
| 18:39.12 | Shirik | How to know you're about to do something really dangerous: Literally the entire page is in red http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3d13871a9ae61de0d1cb8569a5b5aadd.png |
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| 18:40.05 | Kraps | zomg shirik can delete the main page |
| 18:41.04 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNIqArJj8Eo |
| 18:41.49 | Maldivia | Shirik: way to overdo tabs... |
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| 18:42.40 | Kraps | huh, i completed a wsg and got flagged for deserter |
| 18:42.55 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:43.04 | tem | you clearly left too soon |
| 18:44.07 | Kraps | i have the win and perfection achievements to proove it |
| 18:44.40 | Shirik | lol |
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| 18:47.04 | mikma | shirik: mainpage? |
| 18:47.11 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:47.18 | Kraps | ? |
| 18:47.51 | Lopeppeppy | Main screen turn on. |
| 18:48.25 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 18:48.29 | Kraps | what you say? |
| 18:49.22 | Spejnar | Dad, Im homosex. |
| 18:49.33 | Lopeppeppy | Ha ha ha |
| 18:49.40 | Kraps | son, i am dissapoint |
| 18:49.43 | Spejnar | Kraps: <3 |
| 18:49.51 | Spejnar | works in very few chans :/ |
| 18:50.27 | Kraps | never heard your line though :) |
| 18:50.47 | Shirik | really? |
| 18:50.49 | Spejnar | :O |
| 18:50.59 | Shirik | it's fairly common on (it is really sad that I know this) 4chan |
| 18:51.08 | Spejnar | well it fits the situation |
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| 18:52.13 | cog|work | Shirik: you're far too pluripresent for your own good (as indicated by your tabs) |
| 18:52.20 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:52.46 | cog|work | also, i hate making up words only to find out they're actually words... |
| 18:52.51 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 18:52.55 | Fisker | i got two more SC2 keys |
| 18:53.00 | Fisker | and you won't get a single one of them |
| 18:53.16 | Cide | gimme one |
| 18:53.17 | Shirik | oh dear |
| 18:53.20 | Shirik | how will I survive |
| 18:53.20 | Shirik | omg |
| 18:54.02 | Lopeppeppy | Drink more ovaltine |
| 18:54.46 | Shirik | ew |
| 18:54.48 | Shirik | that stuff is so bad |
| 18:56.18 | cbreak | I want the mac sc2! |
| 18:56.21 | cbreak | *grumble* |
| 18:56.26 | durcyn | move to america |
| 18:56.33 | cbreak | blizzard's so slow with adding "u" to some words |
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| 18:56.44 | Maldivia | the mac beta is slow though :/ |
| 18:56.54 | Maldivia | compared to the win version |
| 18:57.06 | cbreak | it's probably not even close to as optimized yet |
| 18:57.24 | cbreak | not even released completely |
| 18:57.27 | Maldivia | graphics is about half performance, so I would say, that is correct :P |
| 18:59.27 | Fisker | you won't Shirik |
| 18:59.29 | Fisker | that's the point |
| 18:59.35 | Ackis | http://iamhilarious.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/cat-anatomy.jpg anatomy of a cat lol |
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| 19:01.27 | Lopeppeppy | I can't believe I just put a hot pack on my shoulder. It's 85 degrees in my office. *sigh* |
| 19:03.43 | Maldivia | well, if you're nude it's still 14 degrees below body temperature :) |
| 19:03.59 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:04.13 | cbreak | only if you're made out of vapour |
| 19:04.28 | Maldivia | I was assuming he was refering to farenheit degrees |
| 19:04.30 | cog|work | cbreak: wrong temperature measure |
| 19:04.42 | cog|work | HE??? |
| 19:04.52 | Maldivia | 37C = 98.6F |
| 19:04.54 | Maldivia | +s |
| 19:05.26 | Lopeppeppy | checks her bra size. Still a girl! |
| 19:05.45 | Maldivia | unfortunately, bra size doesn't exclude guys :( |
| 19:06.37 | Kraps | its ok Maldivia, we understand |
| 19:06.53 | Kraps | this is a judgment-free zone |
| 19:07.03 | cbreak | poor paladins |
| 19:07.18 | Lopeppeppy | This is true. Cogwheel will vouch for my girl-status today, I think. |
| 19:07.40 | cog|work | nods |
| 19:09.20 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 19:09.28 | Fisker | how will you survive me getting 2 new sc2 beta keys? |
| 19:09.55 | cog|work | By not logging into my beta account |
| 19:10.07 | Shadowed2 | cbreak: I have SC2 on my mac... |
| 19:12.50 | Maldivia | Kraps: heh, well, luckily its not that bad, only need to loose 10-15 pounds, to be where I want to be, but :P |
| 19:13.10 | cog|work | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20100502.gif |
| 19:13.34 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: if I'm not mistaken, I saw a picture of you from blizzcon? |
| 19:14.00 | cbreak | Shadowed: the version with armor or the version with armour? |
| 19:14.29 | Shadowed | hrm? |
| 19:14.32 | Shadowed | this is going to be confusing I think |
| 19:14.41 | Shadowed | well that and you fail at tabs cbreak :p |
| 19:15.49 | Fisker | why do you hate me Shadowed ? |
| 19:15.58 | Shadowed | Is that a trick question! |
| 19:16.04 | airtonix | you have an F in your name |
| 19:16.22 | Fisker | F you airtonix |
| 19:16.28 | dusky | heoh! |
| 19:16.31 | Ackis | I need halp on facebook Lopeppeppy is ganging up on me :( |
| 19:16.43 | Lopeppeppy | Nev-ar! |
| 19:16.46 | Lopeppeppy | *innocent* |
| 19:16.53 | airtonix | facebook, another thing with an F in it. |
| 19:16.57 | Ackis | halp!!! halp!!! |
| 19:17.11 | Lopeppeppy | Maldivia, you may have seen one from 2 Blizcons back, me and Cairenn and Seerah. |
| 19:17.20 | Ackis | I've lost my collection of Maxim Magazine :( |
| 19:17.32 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: that was probably it then |
| 19:17.43 | Lopeppeppy | Online porn is better than photos, takes up less space! |
| 19:17.53 | Ackis | I liked the articles |
| 19:17.59 | Lopeppeppy | Old pictures are old. I'm still a girl, but no longer that shape! |
| 19:18.38 | Ackis | eep I has an e-hoe of my facebook & twitter |
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| 19:19.02 | Lopeppeppy | a what? |
| 19:19.07 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy, here is a frame from my security camera : http://www.freewebs.com/chris5412/Kitten.gif |
| 19:19.25 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy, is that you? |
| 19:19.29 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: she just posted a list of things she "wanted" when she moves into a new house |
| 19:20.08 | Cide | lua> tostring("%02x", bit.bor(0x0d, bit.lshift(1, 4))) |
| 19:20.09 | lua_bot | Cide: %02x |
| 19:20.13 | Cide | grr |
| 19:20.19 | Cide | lua> string.format("%02x", bit.bor(0x0d, bit.lshift(1, 4))) |
| 19:20.19 | lua_bot | Cide: 1d |
| 19:20.37 | Lopeppeppy | No airtonix, my nose is a bit more pink. |
| 19:20.56 | airtonix | that ones nose is quite pink though |
| 19:21.10 | Ackis | http://www.craveonline.com/lifestyle/article/babe-of-the-day-raychul-moore-100993 NSFW :| |
| 19:21.11 | Lopeppeppy | I promise, mine is cuter and more pink. |
| 19:22.34 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: did you see my cat anatomy pic? :D |
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| 19:23.51 | Lopeppeppy | I did. My cat has been very pointy lately. |
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| 19:24.24 | Ackis | my cats are very stinky |
| 19:24.44 | Maldivia | my cat is no more :( |
| 19:24.52 | amro | question for the shellfu ninjas: how do I make a copy of a file while pattern matching a string and replacing it with the current dir? |
| 19:25.11 | Ackis | :( Maldivia |
| 19:25.43 | Maldivia | Ackis: well, it was his time, he 17 years old |
| 19:25.57 | Ackis | ahh =/ |
| 19:26.01 | Lopeppeppy | 17 is a goodly age. But still. *hug* |
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| 19:28.18 | Arrowmaster | amro: sed |
| 19:28.48 | cbreak | amro: something like sed 's/pattern/$(pwd)/m' file? |
| 19:28.50 | miica | it starts moving but dont stop it :< http://pastebin.com/Bpz83fMi |
| 19:29.09 | Arrowmaster | amro: or more specifically, sed and redirect the output to the new file |
| 19:29.21 | Maldivia | miica: register MouseUp for the stop :P |
| 19:29.32 | miica | Maldivia: oh :P |
| 19:29.47 | Maldivia | or or is it release, can never remember |
| 19:30.05 | Maldivia | miica: right now you have both on down, and since you can't have more than one handler, the latter overrides the first |
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| 19:31.30 | krka | yay, i have a working flex definition for lua |
| 19:31.30 | Cairenn | http://bobshouseofvideogames.com/2010/04/23/video-game-lol-1-5-year-old-reviews-plants-vs-zombies/ |
| 19:31.35 | krka | that was a bit of a pain |
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| 19:32.57 | Lunessa | Cairenn: ZOMBIE!! |
| 19:33.06 | Cairenn | bouncebouncebounce! |
| 19:33.10 | airtonix | ombie? |
| 19:33.16 | Maldivia | so cute! |
| 19:33.24 | Cairenn | indeed! |
| 19:33.54 | zenzelezz | how can that be cute, it's not a cat... not even a puppy |
| 19:34.37 | amro | cbreak, Arrowmaster: $pwd isn't getting expanded |
| 19:35.28 | Arrowmaster | $PWD |
| 19:35.33 | cbreak | it's not $PWD |
| 19:35.37 | cbreak | it's $(pwd) |
| 19:35.57 | amro | try it, it certainly isn't expanding |
| 19:35.57 | cbreak | $(ls -la) would expand to the content of the current directory |
| 19:36.02 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: considering 2 of the all time most viewed videos on youtube are with babies, and none are with cats or puppies, I think babies win |
| 19:36.07 | Arrowmaster | arrow@tohsaka:~% echo "$PWD" |
| 19:36.08 | Arrowmaster | /home/arrow |
| 19:36.18 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: that proves nothing |
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| 19:36.50 | Arrowmaster | arrow@tohsaka:~% echo "$(pwd)" |
| 19:36.50 | Arrowmaster | /home/arrow |
| 19:36.52 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: this is youtubes response to you and cats: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P6UU6m3cqk |
| 19:36.56 | amro | Arrowmaster: I mean, it's not being expanded when passed to sed |
| 19:37.07 | amro | isn't there some syntax for that? I forgot what it is |
| 19:37.10 | cbreak | then use " instead of ' |
| 19:37.26 | Arrowmaster | the shell should be expanding it before it gets passed to sed, if not you are doing it wrong |
| 19:37.51 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: that video makes me weep thinking of what has become of humanity |
| 19:38.13 | amro | cbreak: sed: -e expression #1, char 10: unknown option to `s' |
| 19:38.31 | amro | sed "s/bsdir/$(pwd)/m" baseconf |
| 19:38.36 | cbreak | that's because you forgot to escape your path... |
| 19:38.44 | cbreak | let me guess, it contains slashes? |
| 19:39.07 | amro | yes, it's a path, is there some shellfu to escape that? |
| 19:40.17 | cbreak | probably |
| 19:40.21 | cbreak | hmm. |
| 19:40.36 | cbreak | maybe an other sed. or an awk |
| 19:41.06 | Kraps | lol sexism http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13368-UIforGirlsHealingWoW3.3.2.11403Healbotversion.html |
| 19:41.10 | cbreak | $(pwd | sed 's/\//\/\//m') |
| 19:41.14 | cbreak | or something like that |
| 19:41.23 | cbreak | maybe you should do it in two lines :) |
| 19:42.25 | airtonix | lol healbot |
| 19:42.32 | amro | cbreak: that only replaces one instance |
| 19:42.42 | cbreak | that's why there's an m |
| 19:42.57 | amro | don't I need to escape all the slashes? |
| 19:43.12 | Danny-xh5ij2 | What about just using perl ala, perl -n -e "s{$pwd}{bsdir}g" < myinput >myoutput |
| 19:43.34 | cbreak | this is supposed to do that |
| 19:43.34 | Maldivia | use another delimiter char then / then for sed, much easier :) |
| 19:43.55 | cbreak | oh, sorry |
| 19:43.57 | Danny-xh5ij2 | Yeah, I couldn't remember if/how sed does that. |
| 19:43.58 | cbreak | it's g, not m |
| 19:44.16 | Maldivia | s#...#...#m for instance |
| 19:44.46 | cbreak | echo $(pwd | sed 's/\//\/\//g') gives me //Users//cbreak |
| 19:44.52 | Danny-xh5ij2 | Does sed even accept bracket delimiters? |
| 19:45.11 | cbreak | it accepts / |
| 19:45.17 | amro | sed "s/bsdir/$(pwd | sed 's/\//\\\//g')/m" baseconf |
| 19:45.18 | cbreak | I don't know if it accepts anything else |
| 19:45.18 | amro | that works |
| 19:45.20 | cbreak | it's not perl :) |
| 19:45.25 | Arrowmaster | arrow@tohsaka:~% echo "$(pwd | sed 's/\//\\\//g')" |
| 19:45.25 | Arrowmaster | sed: -e expression #1, char 5: unknown option to `s' |
| 19:45.25 | Arrowmaster | \/home\/arrow |
| 19:45.29 | Danny-xh5ij2 | Ya, ya, i know |
| 19:45.30 | cbreak | amro, m is wrong, it was g, sorry |
| 19:45.42 | cbreak | right arrow |
| 19:45.45 | amro | cbreak: yeah I got it, I only need it for the slashes |
| 19:45.48 | amro | thanks for the help everyone |
| 19:45.48 | cbreak | that would work more than mine :) |
| 19:45.52 | Arrowmaster | except for the error |
| 19:45.59 | Maldivia | $ echo hello | sed s#hello#world# |
| 19:45.59 | Maldivia | world |
| 19:46.00 | Arrowmaster | whatever that means |
| 19:46.20 | Danny-xh5ij2 | Thats why I generally just pull out the seldge-hammer and use perl for that sorta stuff. I tend to forget the details on sed. |
| 19:47.02 | amro | I tend not to know any of the details on sed |
| 19:47.04 | Maldivia | sed sQhelloQworldQ is also legal :P |
| 19:47.12 | durcyn | why are you echoing $pwd instead of just `pwd|sed 's:/:\\/:g'` |
| 19:47.27 | amro | I'm not echoing anything |
| 19:50.14 | miica | Maldivia: there was OnDragStart and Stop :3 |
| 19:50.32 | Maldivia | miica: yeah, they are good as well :) |
| 19:50.33 | cbreak | it would be nice if bash had prepared statements |
| 19:50.42 | Maldivia | miica: depending on what you want to achieve |
| 19:50.51 | cbreak | all that delimeter stuff is worse than an sql injection vulnerability |
| 19:51.22 | Maldivia | just write a perl script |
| 19:51.30 | KarlKFI|work | :shudder: |
| 19:53.28 | durcyn | your bash-fu is insufficiently strong. |
| 19:53.53 | miica | Maldivia: it starts to look good but only problem is with editbox texture :< http://kosto.servut.us/lol.jpg |
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| 19:56.12 | Maldivia | miica: hehe :) |
| 19:57.28 | Maldivia | miica: look a lot like something I made :) |
| 19:57.46 | DWSR | wow. |
| 19:57.50 | DWSR | Just the SC2 menu looks epic. |
| 19:58.02 | Arrowmaster | halo reach time! |
| 20:00.10 | cbreak | will there be an #sc2uidev? :) |
| 20:00.21 | DWSR | prolly not |
| 20:00.54 | Danny-xh5ij2 | The RTS genre feels so played out... I'm not terribly impressed with SC2 at all |
| 20:01.12 | cbreak | maybe it's possible to make it turn based. |
| 20:01.14 | Kraps | heathen! |
| 20:01.30 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/05/circus_freak_robot_balances_at.php |
| 20:01.47 | mikma | jahpanez are crazy! |
| 20:02.14 | Danny-xh5ij2 | I like CNC4 alot better. I like the changes they've made to the rts gameplay. |
| 20:03.15 | Kraps | YEAH FOCUS THE HEALER ASSHOLES |
| 20:03.40 | foxlit | Kill the one in the dress! |
| 20:03.58 | Kraps | GRRRR |
| 20:04.50 | Kraps | shit the horde has a whole battalion of druids |
| 20:05.03 | miica | Maldivia: those editboxes are 20x200 and they got ChatFrame texture and those textures just keeps going over that 200pixels.. :D |
| 20:05.17 | Maldivia | just a sec |
| 20:06.16 | miica | maybe i should use some other editbox texture or something :P |
| 20:06.34 | Thunder_Child | cbreak: #sc2mapster |
| 20:07.12 | Maldivia | miica: considered editbox:SetWidth(140); |
| 20:07.58 | miica | http://pastebin.com/XQFeJZdp |
| 20:09.02 | Maldivia | ahh yeah, you have to manipulate the texture width, I think |
| 20:09.32 | Maldivia | think I ended up making the editbox myself last time because of that issue :) |
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| 20:10.04 | Ama|WoW | once again I am reminded that I fail at pronouncing azerothian elvish correctly |
| 20:10.16 | Ama|WoW | apparently it's "door-ay" not "door-eye" like I always end up saying it :| |
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| 20:11.04 | foxlit | door-ei! |
| 20:11.18 | Shirik | THUNDER |
| 20:11.20 | Shirik | THUNDER |
| 20:11.28 | Thunder_Child | Shirik |
| 20:11.37 | miica | Maldivia: i just hate those textures :D |
| 20:11.38 | Kraps | FLASH |
| 20:11.39 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f1cwycSWq0 |
| 20:12.19 | Maldivia | miica: I made something like this for it : http://pastebin.com/PHsvjKxy |
| 20:14.44 | foxlit | nerfs Shirik. |
| 20:15.33 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:15.38 | Maldivia | Shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr_CJL1YQRc :) |
| 20:17.01 | foxlit | <3 Protoss music. |
| 20:17.19 | foxlit | /hate protoss matchmaking |
| 20:18.19 | kd3 | oh geez |
| 20:18.20 | kd3 | fail |
| 20:18.27 | kd3 | just was on a pug sarth+3 zerg |
| 20:18.35 | kd3 | raid leader ninjaed the drake and ropped group |
| 20:18.59 | Shirik | I hate the protoss music |
| 20:19.02 | Shirik | I don't get why everyone likes it |
| 20:19.26 | Kraps | so alliance on US Stormstrike sucks |
| 20:19.45 | foxlit | $your_faction sucks on $your_realm. |
| 20:19.56 | foxlit | tautology, that :) |
| 20:20.09 | Ama|WoW | foxlit: derp, the point was that I kept pronouncing 'ei' as 'eye' (like from, say, 'Lorelei') rather than as 'ay' like apparently elves want you to say it |
| 20:20.22 | Ama|WoW | Kraps: WE LIKE IT THAT WAY |
| 20:20.35 | foxlit | eh-ee |
| 20:20.38 | Ama|WoW | (yes, I play horde, on US Stormstrike. :P) |
| 20:21.37 | Kraps | foxlit: proof_: majority(of)games = lose |
| 20:22.19 | Ama|WoW | Kraps: again, as horde on your battlegroup ... QQ moar. :D |
| 20:22.33 | Kraps | stfu baddie |
| 20:22.36 | Kraps | :p |
| 20:22.50 | Shirik | Ama|WoW: ei is "ay" |
| 20:23.03 | Shirik | ãã |
| 20:23.12 | Shirik | imo Japanese got pronounciation right |
| 20:23.26 | Arrowmaster | playlist data needs to fucking download |
| 20:23.34 | Shirik | composing words out of "letters" is stupid |
| 20:23.42 | Shirik | makes so much more sense to compose words out of syllables |
| 20:24.09 | Kraps | ^ |
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| 20:24.23 | Kraps | also we want the metric system |
| 20:24.28 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 20:24.30 | miica | Maldivia: nice and thanks :P |
| 20:24.33 | foxlit | How many syllables do you have? |
| 20:24.33 | cog|work | phonemes > syllables imo |
| 20:25.28 | Maldivia | miica: looking at the code, the SetHeight on the textures doesn't make any sense, since right after they are anchored to top and bottom of the editbox-frame :) |
| 20:25.41 | Maldivia | miica: but, meeh :) |
| 20:25.59 | Kraps | i wanna be like this horde priest |
| 20:26.01 | Maldivia | miica: the code is a few years old, so :) |
| 20:26.15 | Kraps | "lol bladestorm?" |
| 20:26.38 | Maldivia | miica: hehe, actually the file was last edited Dec 22nd 2006 :) |
| 20:27.19 | miica | :P |
| 20:27.50 | Ama|WoW | Kraps: I've had my thermometer on celsius pretty much since I got it :) |
| 20:28.21 | Arrowmaster | WHY THE FUCK WONT IT DOWNLOAD THE PLAYLIST DATA! |
| 20:28.38 | foxlit | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wallpapers/images/157/1024x768.jpg << But... they promised... not one, but two jormungar. |
| 20:29.19 | foxlit | Shirik: it's the violin segment, I think. |
| 20:29.22 | foxlit | It's just too awesome. |
| 20:32.42 | Ama|WoW | oh lord. |
| 20:32.53 | miica | Maldivia: i think that code is kinda good texture tutorial :3 |
| 20:32.58 | Ama|WoW | I just saw this guy next to the dragonhawk lady as I was headed back from Silvermoon to Tranquillien to continue questing Ghostlands |
| 20:33.05 | Ama|WoW | I think I've just seen new heights of bad |
| 20:33.06 | Ama|WoW | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Krena |
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| 20:34.30 | Ama|WoW | robes of arugal. on a ret pally. |
| 20:34.43 | Maldivia | miica: well, did it give you a look that was more pleasing to you, or ? |
| 20:34.43 | Ama|WoW | looks for a wall to cranially abuse |
| 20:35.58 | miica | Maldivia: yeah :) |
| 20:38.50 | Ama|WoW | I could excuse robes of arugal if the guy was leveling holy |
| 20:38.51 | Ama|WoW | but ret? :| |
| 20:39.22 | ZorbaBeta | anyone around who runs Linux and could test out my game engine's linux port? |
| 20:39.40 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Don't you? |
| 20:39.41 | nicoli_s | real people run linux? |
| 20:39.52 | nicoli_s | :P |
| 20:39.57 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, sure, a vanilla install of the latest ubuntu, running in a VM, and with all my dev tools installed |
| 20:39.59 | Ama|WoW | ok, also speaking of leveling classes |
| 20:40.00 | cog|work | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg |
| 20:40.04 | ZorbaBeta | it's a far cry from a realistic test situation |
| 20:40.07 | Maldivia | my phone runs linux |
| 20:40.09 | Ama|WoW | at what point do rogues stop dying horribly every time they face more than 1-2 mobs? |
| 20:40.27 | Bruners | Ama|WoW: level 2 |
| 20:40.30 | ZorbaBeta | ama, got Evasion? |
| 20:40.33 | durcyn | ZorbaBeta: i've got a gentoo amd64 box i could test it on, unless it wants opengl |
| 20:40.37 | ZorbaBeta | note that rogues suck at AoE up until 80 |
| 20:40.46 | ZorbaBeta | durcyn, it'd need opengl, though not particularly high-end opengl |
| 20:40.47 | Ama|WoW | Zorba: yeah, but it doesn't seem to help very much against groups of 3-4 |
| 20:41.05 | durcyn | ZorbaBeta: then you'd have to pay me to suffer through making nouveau stop sucking =P |
| 20:41.07 | ZorbaBeta | ama, yeah, no class handles that well at, what, level 17? |
| 20:41.08 | Maldivia | sap one, blind another, stun third, kill fourth? |
| 20:41.36 | Fisker | old cog|work |
| 20:41.43 | Fisker | i pirated splinter cell conviction out of spite |
| 20:41.55 | Ama|WoW | 16 |
| 20:41.58 | DWSR | Ama|WoW: If you have trouble facing less than 2 mobs, STOP LEVELING SUB |
| 20:42.08 | Ama|WoW | DWSR: um, I'm leveling combat :) |
| 20:42.16 | DWSR | s/less/more/ |
| 20:42.22 | DWSR | If you're having trouble, then you just need to stop failing. |
| 20:42.30 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, it's level 16, yo |
| 20:42.30 | DWSR | Combat can easily handle 3 or 4 mobs approximately your level. |
| 20:42.33 | ZorbaBeta | it's not like spec matters much at that point |
| 20:42.37 | Ama|WoW | Maldivia: also, it's generally when I get the extra mobs as adds, when I get problems |
| 20:42.40 | ZorbaBeta | at level 16 you have seven talent points. |
| 20:42.43 | Ama|WoW | since then you don't start stealthed so you can't sap |
| 20:43.03 | Ama|WoW | there are some places in ghostlands that are just evil. like windrunner spire. :P |
| 20:43.13 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Yeah, but I can 1 shot mobs with my rogue's SS at level 17 |
| 20:43.21 | Ama|WoW | I imagine Deatholme will make me want to tear hair out as well. |
| 20:43.44 | Ama|WoW | basically, areas with high monster density at low levels = /cry |
| 20:44.07 | DWSR | New YT interface |
| 20:44.08 | DWSR | ? |
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| 20:44.47 | DWSR | WOW. |
| 20:44.54 | DWSR | They made nukes so much more accessible in SC2. |
| 20:44.56 | DWSR | Jesus titties. |
| 20:46.03 | Ama|WoW | the other trouble is that against multiple mobs, not only are you getting pounded on, but your DPS drops dramatically because you can't sustain the continued use of SS very well for the time you need to against multiple mobs, due to the energy cost |
| 20:46.11 | Ama|WoW | even talented, you go OOE well before you've killed three mobs |
| 20:46.25 | Ama|WoW | then you're relying on autoattack, and evasion only lasts 15 seconds ... |
| 20:46.50 | DWSR | Ama|WoW: My rogue's auto-attack tears through mobs. |
| 20:46.52 | DWSR | Are you using BoAs? |
| 20:47.13 | Ama|WoW | DWSR: you must have been using BoA gear. |
| 20:47.32 | DWSR | Yep. Enchanted with Crusader as well. |
| 20:47.34 | Ama|WoW | using the gear normally available at that level, it takes like 3-4 SS and an eviscerate to kill a mob around your level |
| 20:47.34 | DWSR | GOGO DOUBLE PROCS. |
| 20:47.57 | DWSR | there a reason you're not? |
| 20:48.07 | Ama|WoW | and generally, you're struggling to come up with the energy for the evisc at that point, let alone having any to start working on the add |
| 20:48.32 | DWSR | Kiting and PoTs.\ |
| 20:48.35 | Shirik | jesus titties? |
| 20:48.36 | Ama|WoW | DWSR: the fact that my 80 hasn't been that fun lately, and I thus don't have anywhere near enough badges? |
| 20:48.46 | Shirik | also, nukes suck |
| 20:48.48 | DWSR | Your fault. |
| 20:48.57 | DWSR | Shirik: Leveled a whole Protoss outpost in my first matchup. |
| 20:49.00 | Arrowmaster | FUCKING JETPACKS ROCK! |
| 20:49.03 | DWSR | Though, I still died horribly. |
| 20:49.05 | Shirik | DWSR: Then he sucked |
| 20:49.10 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Yeah. Now I can snipe you much more easily. |
| 20:49.35 | DWSR | Shirik: I caught the outpost early, so he had warped in a pylon and the nexus, but not much else, and had a ton of units sitting there. |
| 20:49.35 | ZorbaBeta | FUCKING JETPACKS |
| 20:49.36 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: reach? |
| 20:49.36 | Ama|WoW | DWSR: so basically, I should have slogged it out on the 80 for longer before leveling the alts then :) |
| 20:49.38 | ZorbaBeta | HOW DO THEY WORK? |
| 20:49.39 | DWSR | And yeah, this is practice leagues. |
| 20:49.58 | DWSR | Any TvP strats? |
| 20:50.06 | DWSR | I'm assuming rush early, rush often to keep him from building up. |
| 20:50.07 | Ama|WoW | also ... did they by any chance up the difficulty of the lowest level content in order to account for the OPness of BoA's, or was it always this hard for certain classes :) |
| 20:50.28 | Spejnar | it never was |
| 20:50.29 | eidolarr | Ama|WoW: to answer your original question w/o being a dick, it doesn't really become easier in terms of how many mobs you can handle, but the downtime between them drops to nothing |
| 20:50.29 | DWSR | Ama|WoW: Always been more difficult. You leveled your lock first? Leveling a warlock is super easy. |
| 20:51.07 | DWSR | Note I say more difficult, not difficult. |
| 20:51.11 | durcyn | rogue was the easiest class I ever levelled, but what do i know. |
| 20:51.12 | DWSR | Leveling's a fucking joke. |
| 20:51.29 | Ama|WoW | durcyn: did you use BoA? |
| 20:51.31 | DWSR | Warlocks can pull whole areas and still walk out OK. |
| 20:51.37 | DWSR | Warlocks are so fucking stupidly overpowered. |
| 20:51.48 | Ama|WoW | I imagine it will become a good bit easier when I've gained some levels and can take better advantage of my LW and BS to aid in gear |
| 20:52.05 | durcyn | Ama|WoW: only from 70-80 |
| 20:52.27 | DWSR | Ama|WoW: I would go farm Badges/SKS and get the weapons. |
| 20:52.32 | DWSR | Or a chestpiece/shoulders. |
| 20:52.35 | DWSR | It makes life so much easier. |
| 20:52.42 | DWSR | Though, my main's a tank. |
| 20:52.43 | Arrowmaster | lol found a bug |
| 20:53.17 | DWSR | So it's like DING DING DING DING DING queues. |
| 20:53.17 | Arrowmaster | says i got a melee kill with the flag but afaik i never had the flag |
| 20:53.19 | DWSR | It's beta for a reason. |
| 20:53.19 | Ama|WoW | DWSR: yeah, my main's DPS, so it's like fap fap fap on orgrimmar roof for several minutes. :) |
| 20:53.28 | Ama|WoW | although still nowhere near as painful as chain heroics were before LFD |
| 20:53.39 | DWSR | run with guildies. |
| 20:53.41 | Ama|WoW | btw: AGI+15 or Crusader, if I get BoA's? |
| 20:53.54 | DWSR | Crusader. |
| 20:54.07 | DWSR | Heals are wonderful at lower levels. |
| 20:55.09 | Lunessa | Crusader is awesome for leveling. REALLY awesome. |
| 20:55.10 | Ama|WoW | Yeah, about the only reason I've even made it this far without even more pain is the cheap vendor weapon I Crusadered |
| 20:55.49 | Arrowmaster | FUCK YEAH! AIRBORNE HEADSHOT WITH THE DMR+JETPACK! |
| 20:55.52 | DWSR | You should level sword/dagger sub. |
| 20:55.58 | DWSR | So win. |
| 20:56.02 | DWSR | Hemo's such a win. |
| 20:56.16 | Ama|WoW | OTOH, AGI+15 uses Essence of Air, which is just a quick trip to Silithus away |
| 20:56.34 | Ama|WoW | while Crusader needs Righteous Orbs, which are cruelly expensive and virtually require me to drag my ass all the way out to Strat |
| 20:56.51 | ZorbaBeta | personally I just go to the AH |
| 20:56.54 | ZorbaBeta | and then I buy things |
| 20:56.55 | ZorbaBeta | from the AH |
| 20:57.05 | Ama|WoW | Zorba: neither EoA nor RO are the sort of things you want to pay for on the turalyon horde AH |
| 20:57.18 | Ama|WoW | they tend to inflate to 50-100g apiece on a regular basis :| |
| 20:57.24 | DWSR | rofl. |
| 20:57.26 | DWSR | That's cheap. |
| 20:57.33 | Ama|WoW | yeah, our AH sucks :P |
| 20:57.44 | ZorbaBeta | so go farm the fuckers and resell 'em? ;) |
| 20:58.19 | DWSR | No, I meant that's /cheap/, seriously. |
| 20:58.20 | DWSR | My realm's like 150g. |
| 20:58.30 | tekkub | the question is, is your time worth less than that? |
| 20:58.54 | Ama|WoW | tekkub: in the case of EoA, yeah |
| 20:59.08 | Ama|WoW | because for EoA I just take the Dalaran portal to TB, fly down to Silithus and a couple air elementals later I have enough for AGI+15 |
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| 20:59.51 | Ama|WoW | I'm not even sure why EoA cost so much since the drop rate is sillily good |
| 20:59.55 | tekkub | then maybe you *should* farm them |
| 21:00.26 | Ama|WoW | Righteous Orbs, on the other hand, hurt, since the drop rate is shitty and Strat is a lot more out of the way |
| 21:00.27 | tekkub | they probably cost so much because one person is trying to artificallially inflate the price |
| 21:00.41 | Ama|WoW | tekkub: yeah, usually RO's are percentaged well into the red according to Auctioneer :| |
| 21:00.50 | Ama|WoW | Not sure as much about EoA, since I don't normally buy them |
| 21:00.52 | tekkub | buy every cheap one someone posts, repost it for OMGTOOMUCH |
| 21:01.11 | Ama|WoW | I just see the EoA prices because Auctioneer includes the latest data in the tooltips |
| 21:01.19 | tekkub | take a lot of work, but it can make some money |
| 21:01.56 | Ama|WoW | I don't have luck with that, actually :) |
| 21:02.04 | Ama|WoW | Hell, I snagged a Savory Deviate recipe for 5g a while back |
| 21:02.09 | tekkub | and if someone IS doing that, go farm them and sell them for a decent undercut of his price... either he'll buy them all up or other people that actually need them will |
| 21:02.09 | Ama|WoW | tried selling it for the usual rate of 500 or so |
| 21:02.16 | Ama|WoW | it didn't sell till I knocked it down all the way to 210 |
| 21:03.19 | adimit | Hey, does anyone know of an addon to easily track 'hidden' cds with? Like Rapture or Eclipse... thought I could convince PowerAuras to show me that, but maybe I'll just have to make my own :-| |
| 21:03.23 | Ama|WoW | And yeah, regarding the complaint about not being able to get enough combo points for good Slice & Dice duration |
| 21:03.37 | Ama|WoW | the main reason I wanted to use S&D was because I HAVE a crusader weapon right now, and figured it would help the proc rate immensely |
| 21:03.46 | DWSR | adimit: Internal Cooldowns? |
| 21:03.51 | DWSR | adimit: Sexycooldown can. |
| 21:04.09 | Ama|WoW | and maybe that's why I'm not doing as good as I might have. :) |
| 21:04.17 | adimit | Yes Internal Cooldowns... Interesting, thanks. |
| 21:04.25 | Ama|WoW | there are some bads that just slipshod slap things together without regard for what a class needs, and thus suck |
| 21:04.37 | eidolarr | clearly the solution is to buy chinese gold |
| 21:04.45 | Ama|WoW | then there's folks like me, who have an unfortunate tendency to get fixated on something that seems a sound enough strategic principle, but turns out to be suboptimal |
| 21:05.27 | DWSR | The mohawk grenade is back AGAIN? |
| 21:05.47 | Ama|WoW | did it ever leave? |
| 21:05.50 | DWSR | yes |
| 21:05.57 | DWSR | there was much rejoicing |
| 21:07.58 | Kraps | school of hard knocks is bad |
| 21:08.03 | Ama|WoW | think I know another issue with rogues, too |
| 21:08.07 | Ama|WoW | I'm following a quest guide for ghostlands |
| 21:08.20 | Ama|WoW | and with other classes I followed it with, I was usually at or even well ahead of the curve in terms of when they expect you should level |
| 21:08.31 | Ama|WoW | with the rogue, because I stealth so much and thus fight a lot fewer mobs, I tend to fall behind a lot |
| 21:09.08 | eidolarr | you should be keeping up just fine killing as little as you can |
| 21:10.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Ama|WoW: wait, wait, so if you CHOOSE to not kill mobs, you'll get less experience than someone who DOES kill mobs? HOLY SHIT THATS FUCKING CRAZY! |
| 21:10.19 | Ama|WoW | eidolarr: with Snowflake's I regularly have to grind out 10-20 extra mobs |
| 21:10.25 | NightHawkTheSane | dumbass. |
| 21:10.42 | Ama|WoW | Night: there are some mobs that just suck to fight as a rogue. :) |
| 21:10.45 | Ama|WoW | like vampiric mistbats. |
| 21:10.52 | NightHawkTheSane | no, there really aren't |
| 21:10.58 | Ama|WoW | because not only does life steal heal it, but it does extra damage to you |
| 21:11.03 | Ama|WoW | on a class that can't heal. :) |
| 21:11.10 | NightHawkTheSane | LOTS of classes can't heal |
| 21:11.12 | Ama|WoW | well, ok, I can heal with lifeblood, once every three minutes |
| 21:11.16 | NightHawkTheSane | they manage. suck it up |
| 21:11.30 | Ama|WoW | yes, they usually have either better armor, a pet, and/or are ranged. |
| 21:11.59 | Ama|WoW | let's see, who can't heal ... |
| 21:11.59 | DWSR | QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ |
| 21:12.07 | DWSR | QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ |
| 21:12.08 | Ama|WoW | hunters? they have a pet, they rarely take personal damage and they have a heal *for the pet* |
| 21:12.10 | DWSR | QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ |
| 21:12.18 | Ama|WoW | warriors? they have really nice armor. |
| 21:12.19 | Kraps | DWSR: SHUT UP |
| 21:12.20 | DWSR | QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ |
| 21:12.28 | DWSR | Kraps: I'm just translating. |
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| 21:12.41 | Ama|WoW | warlocks? they have a pet, although I did find that healing could sometimes be an issue, particularly before I got my VW |
| 21:13.24 | Ama|WoW | DKs? blood presence heals albeit small amounts and only when you do damage, but generally things die far too quickly for it to be an issue unless you have several adds or are soloing elites |
| 21:13.38 | Ama|WoW | plus DKs never have to worry about being low level. :) |
| 21:13.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Ama|WoW: quit your whiny bitching |
| 21:13.48 | Ama|WoW | mages? yeah, I have trouble with dying frequently on mages, too |
| 21:14.06 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: /ignore ftw |
| 21:14.16 | Ama|WoW | at least mages don't run out of mana and have to rely on autoattack *while fighting one mob* though :S |
| 21:14.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: yeah, i'm thinking it might be at that point. i dont remember the last time he said something worth hearing |
| 21:15.20 | Kraps | Ama|WoW: i have trouble leveling rogues too |
| 21:15.28 | Kraps | so i dont do it |
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| 21:16.14 | Ama|WoW | Kraps: well ... skeleton keys are expensive compared to the value of stuff you get from lockboxes. :) |
| 21:16.55 | Ama|WoW | and there's a shortage of rogues, to the point where you end up waiting far too long for my taste LFing Rogue in cities |
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| 21:18.23 | Kraps | Ama|WoW: http://pastey.net/136078 |
| 21:19.31 | Ama|WoW | oh lord, ANOTHER trade chat argument about metroid |
| 21:19.49 | eidolarr | Ama|WoW: wanting to open lockboxes slightly more easily is a terrible reason to spend hours and hours of your life leveling a rogue |
| 21:20.24 | Ama|WoW | ok, queues suck today, let's not rely on BoAs just yet. |
| 21:21.04 | Kraps | http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20001972-504083.html |
| 21:21.42 | Ama|WoW | at 12+ min a queue, times ... hmm ... about ten dungeons needed to get 40 badges |
| 21:21.49 | Ama|WoW | that's ... yeah, two hours JUST IN FRIGGING QUEUES |
| 21:21.55 | Ama|WoW | I could spend that time actually sucking it up and leveling :) |
| 21:22.22 | batrick | http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/03/22/cheaters-brain-stabbed-in-wallhack-brawl/ |
| 21:22.27 | batrick | WOWO |
| 21:22.48 | zenzelezz | <Ama|WoW> Kraps: well ... skeleton keys are expensive compared to the value of stuff you get from lockboxes. :) <-- I don't know... I made a lot of titanium keys on WotLK launch to level lockpicking, and I've still got tons left |
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| 21:23.12 | Ama|WoW | zenz: still only at 300 BS |
| 21:23.12 | tekkub | ... |
| 21:23.25 | Ama|WoW | and yeah, titanium bars are expensive |
| 21:23.41 | zenzelezz | don't buy :-p If you're a blacksmith, you should have mining |
| 21:23.54 | zenzelezz | or getting those 75 BC points will be hell |
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| 21:24.45 | Ama|WoW | yeah, I have a miner |
| 21:24.52 | Ama|WoW | titanium nodes aren't all that common though :) |
| 21:24.54 | Kraps | Ama|WoW: you dont WAIT, queue and level |
| 21:25.10 | Ama|WoW | Kraps: in order to get BoA's, you need to queue on the 80 |
| 21:25.15 | zenzelezz | Ama|WoW: they're sufficiently common. You don't need much to make the skeleton keys |
| 21:25.17 | Ama|WoW | in order to level, you need to be on the character who needs leveling |
| 21:25.18 | Ama|WoW | silly :) |
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| 21:25.26 | Kraps | waaaaaaat |
| 21:25.32 | Ama|WoW | you can't (yet, anyway) queue on your 80 and then go play your alt who you're trying to level. :) |
| 21:25.48 | Kraps | so you dont have boas yet |
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| 21:26.00 | Ama|WoW | right. the point of queuing would have been to get badges for the BoAs |
| 21:26.39 | eidolarr | this is a pretty lame discussion |
| 21:26.41 | zenzelezz | "According to a person familiar with the matter, the Department of Justice and Federal Trade Commission are locked in negotiations over which of the watchdogs will begin an antitrust inquiry into Apple's new policy of requiring software developers who devise applications for devices such as the iPhone and iPad to use only Apple's programming tools" - this could get interesting |
| 21:26.50 | Ama|WoW | a pair of rogue swords takes 40 badges *and* 200 SKS |
| 21:27.38 | Ama|WoW | (remember, the one sword is Main Hand only, and the other is Unique Equipped) |
| 21:28.47 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: and totally appropriate to keep apple from conveniently 'forgetting' to make timely updates to their tools for non OSX operating systems |
| 21:29.25 | Ama|WoW | Sword/dagger still needs 80 badges. Maces are not viable, since there's only the one BoA mace that isn't a caster model |
| 21:29.38 | Arrowmaster | since i assume thats a major reason they would want to start an antitrust investigation |
| 21:29.40 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: my question is i wonder how much attention will be paid to other companies that do the same thing |
| 21:29.46 | NightHawkTheSane | its not really an uncommon practice |
| 21:30.15 | Ama|WoW | Night: but apple takes it to levels of stupid |
| 21:30.20 | zenzelezz | when you're small, you're not worth the effort |
| 21:30.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Ama|WoW: you're an idiot. |
| 21:30.25 | Ama|WoW | e.g., someone makes a library of code to use with those tools |
| 21:30.29 | zenzelezz | when you become the phenomenon Apple is now, you are worth it |
| 21:30.36 | Ama|WoW | if you use that library, your app gets rejected because you didn't use "purely apple's tools and the provided apple libraries" |
| 21:30.39 | Arrowmaster | not many other companys have the app store like system that apple does, and have complete control over it |
| 21:30.58 | Ama|WoW | there's been a ton of QQ from touch/iphone/ipad devs about that policy |
| 21:30.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Actually, I'm not certain, but does the SDK dev agreement explicitly require xcode to be used? |
| 21:31.11 | NightHawkTheSane | last i knew, it only required it to be developed in c/c++/obj-c/js |
| 21:31.15 | eidolarr | no |
| 21:31.16 | Ama|WoW | Night: it apparently specifically forbids the use of code that wasn't made by you or Apple |
| 21:31.21 | Ama|WoW | no third party libraries allowed! |
| 21:31.25 | Ama|WoW | you have to reinvent the wheel every time! |
| 21:31.28 | Ama|WoW | lame. |
| 21:31.30 | eidolarr | pretty sure that's FUD |
| 21:31.40 | DWSR | NHTS: I have him on ignore now. |
| 21:31.43 | NightHawkTheSane | which means arguably someone could create a 3rd party ide that could be used against the sdk |
| 21:31.45 | DWSR | There was much rejoicing. |
| 21:31.47 | Ama|WoW | eidolarr: either that, or it's not written, but apparently people have had their apps rejected because they used a third party library. |
| 21:32.02 | eidolarr | false |
| 21:32.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: are there non-adobe tools that let you develop flash apps? |
| 21:32.15 | zenzelezz | you need to separate a "library" idea from things like Monotouch |
| 21:32.22 | Ama|WoW | in any case, the whole closed store platform is simply dumb, anyway ... look at google, they don't close the android platform, and there is much <3 as a result |
| 21:32.26 | eidolarr | they reject apps that were written for a different platform and then translated |
| 21:32.44 | zenzelezz | libraries are commonplace and accepted so long as they don't do stuff like use private APIs |
| 21:32.44 | eidolarr | google's platform is also tremendously less profitable |
| 21:32.46 | NightHawkTheSane | (actually question applies to anyone that knows, anyone? I thought you needed to buy adobe software to develop a flash app_ |
| 21:32.46 | Ama|WoW | eidolarr: they reject apps for the dumbest of reasons, anyway |
| 21:32.54 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: not sure, i dont pay much attention to flash apps |
| 21:32.56 | DWSR | NHTS: Not that I know of. |
| 21:33.12 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: the SDK is free, but you need to pay to be in the program an be allowed to publish |
| 21:33.13 | Ama|WoW | and the lack of profit on google's platform is probably due to market share issues due to the pressure iPhone puts on the market |
| 21:33.15 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: me either, which is my point. Adobe does the exact same thing as apple |
| 21:33.19 | eidolarr | Ama|WoW: you are all over the place and none of the points you have made are tenable |
| 21:33.36 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: but if there is a way to make flash stuff without adobe tools then adobe still dont have the power to prevent it from being used, apple does |
| 21:33.38 | eidolarr | NightHawkTheSane: i don't think that's true, especially given that .swf is an open format |
| 21:33.39 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: thats hardly an anti-trust case, though |
| 21:33.51 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: that alone, no |
| 21:33.53 | DWSR | NHTS: No, I meant that I don't think you need to buy Adobe software in order to develop flash. |
| 21:34.06 | Ama|WoW | eidolarr: are you saying that google made an inferior decision by not keeping android locked up tight like apple does with iphone os, then? |
| 21:34.45 | Ama|WoW | I thought the generally accepted idea was that *closed platforms are bad* |
| 21:34.46 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: ah, i'm just not aware of anything else that lets you |
| 21:34.56 | Ama|WoW | Imagine if all your addons had to be specifically approved by Blizzard? :) |
| 21:34.58 | eidolarr | Ama|WoW: n, i am saying that google's strategy has its own set of weaknesses, particularly the decentralization, that make it less than clear that their platform is superior |
| 21:35.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Still, the point i'm making is that apple has simply said "you may only develop app store apps in these languages", not "you MUST use these tools to do so" |
| 21:35.40 | Ama|WoW | decentralization is a weakness? |
| 21:35.55 | Ama|WoW | one of the reasons computers have become such a powerful tool is the general lack of a central restraining authority on what can be made for them ... |
| 21:36.08 | Ama|WoW | and really, current gen smartphones are, bluntly, small portable computers |
| 21:36.49 | NightHawkTheSane | the fact that (afaik) xcode is the only application that will compile an app against the iphoneOS sdk unrelated, unless there's some specific legal language preventing someone from writing their own |
| 21:36.51 | eidolarr | i can't tell if you're trolling me or not |
| 21:36.59 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: he's not trolling, he's just an idiot. |
| 21:37.37 | Ama|WoW | okay, eidolarr. give me a reason why a centralized, restrained platform could possibly be a good thing, given the positive effects a lack of restraint has on development |
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| 21:38.31 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: still, like you said, it will be interesting. |
| 21:38.41 | eidolarr | that you're even asking that suggests a startling lack of familiarity with even the most basic dynamics of the iphone v android debate |
| 21:39.12 | Arrowmaster | security |
| 21:39.36 | eidolarr | the centralized market gives users a standardized experience, developers a single place to sell, and apple some notion of regulation |
| 21:39.47 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: so you think in today's world, it's a good idea to start drawing the curtain on the paradigm that has been responsible for computers' becoming such a powerful tool, simply to produce a standardized environment of security? |
| 21:39.50 | eidolarr | developers for the iphone actually make money, a good amount of money |
| 21:40.05 | eidolarr | cases of android developers making good money from their apps are rare |
| 21:40.05 | Arrowmaster | no they dont |
| 21:40.25 | Amarande | eidolarr: interesting ... does apple tend to reject apps if there's already "too many apps for this thing" or something, that would contribute to that by helping reduce competition? |
| 21:40.26 | eidolarr | in comparison |
| 21:40.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: eh, developers of GOOD iphone apps can make money, and not too bad money either, many do. it is also more common to do so than on android |
| 21:40.55 | Amarande | (after all, with android, competition is unlimited, which in a software world means that unless you're a 800 pound gorilla, or you're something like a game dev who relies on content rather than utility, you're going to get squished on competition by free software eventually) |
| 21:40.58 | NightHawkTheSane | there's chaff in both platforms, though |
| 21:41.10 | eidolarr | the iphone market is significantly more lucrative by all reports i've heard |
| 21:41.13 | Arrowmaster | developers made money in the first few months but then like the dot com boom there was a flood of too much and not enough people to pay for it all so now they barely make anything |
| 21:41.24 | Amarande | eidolarr: also, isn't that because the iphone is significantly more popular at this point than droids? |
| 21:41.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: thats not entirely true. |
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| 21:41.39 | Amarande | there still aren't all that many choices of good Droid, are there? |
| 21:41.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: again, good apps make money, even if they're cheap. |
| 21:41.44 | Amarande | at least, unless you use Verizon |
| 21:41.56 | Amarande | (actually, ARE there any decent non-Verizon Droids besides the Nexus One itself?) |
| 21:42.22 | Cide | certainly |
| 21:42.26 | Amarande | and of course N1 has an uphill competition battle right now with iPhone, since you cannot get a carrier discount for N1 |
| 21:42.28 | Cide | the C3PO seems popular |
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| 21:42.34 | Arrowmaster | the top paid apps list i keep seeing every week on kotaku is all commercial apps, not stuff made by an indie dev like people claim can get rich off the iPhone store |
| 21:42.36 | Amarande | not that I know of anyway, far as I know you have to buy the N1 straight from Google |
| 21:42.52 | zenzelezz | HTC makes several good Androids; Hero, Legend, Desire (even the Nexus One is really an HTC) |
| 21:42.55 | Amarande | iPhone I think you can get a carrier discount from AT&T if you qualify for one (new contract or 2 year contract up) |
| 21:42.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: how many apps are in that list, though? |
| 21:43.01 | eidolarr | zenzelezz: Inredible =) |
| 21:43.02 | Pneumatus | i wonder how much the popular ad-supported android apps make from the ads people |
| 21:43.08 | Arrowmaster | 10 i think |
| 21:43.29 | miica | looks like if i use frame:hide() it just hides it like function says how i destroy them? |
| 21:43.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: yeah, so there's a lot you're not seeing just by looking at that last. you can be well below "top 10" and still be making a non-trivial sum |
| 21:43.45 | Pneumatus | HTC Desire is awesome, fwiw, Amarande |
| 21:43.46 | Amarande | I'd be willing to bet that a very small percentage of cell phone sales *overall* are made to people *not* taking advantage of carrier contract discounts |
| 21:43.49 | eidolarr | Amarande: there is carrier discount for N1. i don't know how you can talk so much while knowing so little about the topic |
| 21:43.56 | Amarande | eidolarr: must be new. |
| 21:44.00 | Arrowmaster | non-trivial does not equal 'get rich' |
| 21:44.03 | eidolarr | it's been there since the page went up |
| 21:44.03 | Pneumatus | i think T-Mobile carries the Desire in the USA |
| 21:44.04 | Amarande | the last time I looked it up, you had to buy it from google |
| 21:44.15 | Amarande | unless maybe specifically T-Mobile offered one |
| 21:44.16 | eidolarr | you do... with a carrier discount as an option... |
| 21:44.20 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm certainly not saying that every indie iphone dev can throw together an app and be rolling in money. But it's possible, and not entirely uncommon that an indie dev can put together a GOOD application, and make a non-trivial sum of money. |
| 21:44.24 | Amarande | since IIRC, originally T-Mobile was the only provider for N1 |
| 21:44.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: is the desire out yet? i thougth it hadn't been released |
| 21:44.37 | Amarande | which was kinda not so great for its rollout I imagine, since T-Mobile is crap :) |
| 21:44.45 | Pneumatus | NightHawkTheSane: all over the market in the UK, no idea about elsewhere |
| 21:44.56 | Pneumatus | had mine a few weeks now |
| 21:44.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: yeah, sorry, i meant in the US |
| 21:45.20 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm kinda waiting to decide between switching to an iPhone, or upgradeing to the desire |
| 21:45.37 | Amarande | Night: why not get the N1? |
| 21:45.43 | Amarande | or is it not available for your protocol yet? |
| 21:45.47 | Pneumatus | i love my desire, but then i was never really an iphone fan, its horribly underspecced vs the newest android phones |
| 21:45.49 | NightHawkTheSane | because the desire is the same thing, but better. |
| 21:45.52 | eidolarr | NightHawkTheSane: there are better phones than the iphone if you can't wait for the 4g |
| 21:46.18 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: note the "waiting" part of my prior statement. i'm waiting for both the desire & the 4g |
| 21:46.35 | Amarande | Night: don't you have to switch to T-Mobile to get the Desire though? |
| 21:46.37 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not really worth it to upgrade to anything else until those are available |
| 21:46.46 | NightHawkTheSane | my g1 is holding up pretty well, so. |
| 21:46.55 | eidolarr | NightHawkTheSane: the desire is out right now |
| 21:47.06 | Amarande | like I said, tmobile is kinda made of fail |
| 21:47.10 | eidolarr | NightHawkTheSane: but you should look at the HTC incredibel, which came out like 3 days ago |
| 21:47.17 | eidolarr | incredible* |
| 21:47.21 | Amarande | case in point, texts from/to tmobile users have this annoying habit of taking *hours* to reach the destination |
| 21:47.21 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: the incredible is verizon only |
| 21:47.28 | Arrowmaster | i keep meaning to get a new phone but since i likely wont upgrade it for many years the issue that concerns me is android os upgrades |
| 21:47.31 | Amarande | I had a gf awhile back who used t-mobile (I use AT&T) |
| 21:47.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: that's 100% false. |
| 21:47.42 | Amarande | and there were constant issues with our texts getting lost/massively delayed |
| 21:47.50 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: the desire is basically the same as the incredible, but gsm, not cdma, iirc? |
| 21:48.32 | eidolarr | NightHawkTheSane: basically, slightly better, but this seems to suggest maybe there's a gsm incredible? http://hyfeno.com/htc-incredible-unlocked/ |
| 21:49.40 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 21:49.42 | Danny-xh5ij2 | What is the effective difference between gsm and cdma? |
| 21:50.10 | NightHawkTheSane | most of the world uses gsm, verizon uses cdma. that's basically it. :p |
| 21:50.12 | Arrowmaster | gsm is uses everywhere in the world except the US |
| 21:50.55 | Arrowmaster | cdma is better though, 3g is based off of it instead of gsm |
| 21:51.33 | Danny-xh5ij2 | Gotcha. |
| 21:51.39 | Arrowmaster | well the 3g in gsm phones, no clue if theres differences in 3g with non gsm phones |
| 21:52.46 | eidolarr | iphone's tightly closed nature also standardizes the hardware which must be nice for devs |
| 21:53.31 | Arrowmaster | i think thats the reason android uses a modified java vm |
| 21:53.34 | Amarande | eidolarr: well, there is some precedent for that (console vs PC gaming for instance) |
| 21:53.42 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/cataclysm-friends-family-alpha/ AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 21:54.03 | Kraps | BRB CHANGING MY PANTS |
| 21:54.11 | eidolarr | Arrowmaster: yeah but not even java can hide performance differences |
| 21:54.25 | Amarande | OTOH, there is still the fact that the openness of platforms IS one of the major reasons computer devices in general have grown to be such a powerful force in the world |
| 21:54.47 | Amarande | closed platforms give up this huge positive point for what might be dubious by comparison benefits |
| 21:55.27 | Arrowmaster | well its the entire reason the IBM compatible PC is so widespread and Apple completely failed in the PC market until it released OSX and the iPod |
| 21:55.53 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: actually, its kind of interesting how most android-based devices are generally the same, interms of hardware interface design |
| 21:56.01 | Arrowmaster | they didnt make a profit in many many years before then |
| 21:56.49 | eidolarr | NightHawkTheSane: i think that will change a lot in a few years as the hardware and app market matures |
| 21:57.25 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: i dont know. The thing is, i already see app devs having to make specific bug fixes for specific hardware platforms. |
| 21:57.27 | Kraps | http://investor.activision.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=466030 |
| 21:57.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder how willing a hardware maker would be to strongly diverge from the 'standard', and risk breaking a lot of apps |
| 21:58.31 | NightHawkTheSane | conversely, i wonder how willing app devs will be to support a highly non-standard device |
| 21:58.45 | Amarande | Night: probably depends on the market share of said non-standard device |
| 21:59.00 | Amarande | many non-standard devices die because they have neither the compatibility nor the market share to attract devs |
| 21:59.01 | eidolarr | i'm thinking more about computing power as time goes on; for android there will be a gradient of performance, whereas for iphone you only have to worry about your performance every N years when a new iphone comes out |
| 21:59.20 | Amarande | although there's also the non-standard devices that die BECAUSE they have compatibility, so you can't always win |
| 21:59.28 | Amarande | the Commodore 128 being one of the biggest examples of the latter fail |
| 21:59.38 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: well, yeah, computing powe's another story, i wasn't really referring to that though |
| 22:00.06 | eidolarr | NightHawkTheSane: yeah the hardware inconsistencies in terms of like how specifically they implement the api will probably evaporate |
| 22:00.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i just mean that the g1, droid, nexus one, all have more or less the same hardware form factor |
| 22:00.27 | NightHawkTheSane | no one's implementing an android device without a touch screen, for example |
| 22:00.32 | NightHawkTheSane | (that i'm aware of) |
| 22:00.49 | Amarande | Night: hardly anyone's making advanced smartphones without a touch screen period :) |
| 22:00.53 | Amarande | it's kinda absorbed itself into the paradigm |
| 22:00.58 | Lunessa | Funny thing is, IBM didn't want an "open system" when designing mass market PCs. They just took too many short cuts trying to corner the market and didn't own all the components. |
| 22:01.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: no one wants an open system :P |
| 22:01.28 | Arrowmaster | although some of them do silly things, my moms phone has a touch screen but it is only used for the dialer, nothing else |
| 22:01.37 | eidolarr | NightHawkTheSane: google seems to be an exception |
| 22:01.50 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: in what respect? |
| 22:02.01 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Especially if it's the girl you're chatting up in the bar... |
| 22:02.03 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: i was told they didnt think the home PC market would last longer than 6 months so they didnt care |
| 22:02.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: hah, indeed :P |
| 22:02.23 | eidolarr | they open source a significant amount of their work |
| 22:02.27 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: IBM has a great history of being short-sighted. |
| 22:02.43 | Lunessa | eidolarr: They can be taught. :) |
| 22:03.06 | eidolarr | i'm sorry i'm dumb, taught what >.> |
| 22:04.49 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: ah, yeah, that is true. But i'd still argue that google's managemant would PREFER that they control everything in a non-open system :P |
| 22:06.11 | eidolarr | I don't think so |
| 22:06.29 | eidolarr | I think that running the dominant search engine gives them unique priorities in terms of openness |
| 22:06.43 | Amarande | Night: like I said, open systems have certain advantages when you're trying to gain more market share. :) |
| 22:07.02 | Amarande | the more open your system is, the more stuff people will be able to make for it. the more stuff your system can boast supporting, the more likely people are to want it. |
| 22:07.23 | Amarande | the more closed your system is, the harder it is for people to dev for it. the less stuff you can boast supporting, the more people are going to think it's a niche device for geeks and not want it. |
| 22:08.01 | Amarande | and while apple's system may not be all *that* closed (as shown by the number of apps it boasts), there are still a non-trivial number of developers who shy away from iPhone because of the requirement for app approval |
| 22:08.18 | eidolarr | the volume and confidence that you speak with is alarming to me given how obviously uninformed you are regarding the actual details of the discussion |
| 22:08.19 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: i would substitute "freedoms" for "priorities" in that sentence :) |
| 22:08.27 | Arrowmaster | unless you manage to polish shit and make everybody scream that they want one like Apple has been doing since the iPod |
| 22:08.33 | Amarande | because they fear investing that time and money into developing an app only to find it wasn't accepted |
| 22:08.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: but you must admit, they do it damn well :P |
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| 22:09.04 | Amarande | most of the anti-iFoo blog posts I've seen, tend to cite precisely that as one of the reasons the blogger is afraid to choose the iFoo platform |
| 22:09.40 | Arrowmaster | they do, i still dont understand how they can sell inferior products for such ridiculous prices and still be the market leader |
| 22:09.48 | Amarande | whereas they tend to praise Droid for the fact that they don't have to fear not being allowed to publish. |
| 22:09.58 | eidolarr | Arrowmaster: have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeXAcwriid0 |
| 22:10.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: erm, a) they're not actually inferior? b) very good marketing departments :P |
| 22:10.21 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: iPod has always been inferior to other products |
| 22:10.25 | Amarande | now ... if you were going to develop for one or the other, would you pick the one who has the power to tell you all your time has been wasted? |
| 22:10.31 | eidolarr | their products are often tecnhically inferior for the price; the mistake is in thinking that the technical quality of a product is what most users buy the product for |
| 22:10.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: erm, no? For a -very- long time, it was entirely unrivaled in storage capacity |
| 22:11.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not certain that it still is, but i dont see many devices today that will let me carry around my entire music library, and some movies on top of that |
| 22:11.30 | Amarande | Night: it had its technical gripes |
| 22:11.30 | Arrowmaster | because it used the 1.8" drives, there were players that used 2.5" drives that were much better but slightly larger |
| 22:11.40 | Amarande | in particular, a lot of people complaining that they couldn't use Napster properly with it |
| 22:11.48 | Arrowmaster | i dont think the other manufacturs could get ahold of the 1.8" drives |
| 22:12.06 | eidolarr | imo the simplicity, stability, consistency of apple's products are what sell them, bundled with good aesthetic/hype |
| 22:12.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: so, wouldn't that make it, at the least, equal? |
| 22:12.19 | Amarande | eidolarr: probably. |
| 22:12.33 | Amarande | when you become a hardcore enough geek, you eventually start to lose understanding of John Q. Public |
| 22:12.42 | NightHawkTheSane | For me, the ipod has always been exactly what I've wanted from a porble music player, and nothing else really fit the bill. in that respect, for me it was the technologically superior option |
| 22:12.45 | Amarande | although, simple devices for simple minds sounds like a good enough way to put it :P |
| 22:12.57 | NightHawkTheSane | portable* |
| 22:13.00 | NightHawkTheSane | man my spelling is shit today. |
| 22:13.03 | Amarande | personally, I own an ipod, but that was more because I appreciated iTunes and iPod worked best with it |
| 22:13.09 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: the iPod has always had the least media format support though compared to other equivalent players |
| 22:13.38 | Amarande | Arrow: yeah, hence the QQ from napster users |
| 22:13.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: sure, but that's a red herring. The only people who really care about that are the 2% of linux geeks who use ogg vorbis :P |
| 22:13.51 | Arrowmaster | but i guess thats because the majority only had mp3s (except for the insane people with wma's) before iTunes |
| 22:13.52 | NightHawkTheSane | most people just use mp3s and are fine with it |
| 22:13.52 | Amarande | Night: and the Napster customers |
| 22:14.05 | Amarande | Napster sells their shit in DRM WMA |
| 22:14.10 | Amarande | which means iPods are out of luck, basically |
| 22:14.22 | NightHawkTheSane | no one cares about napster or wma files. |
| 22:14.25 | Amarande | <--- former napster customer :( |
| 22:14.27 | NightHawkTheSane | no one ever seriously used those. |
| 22:14.38 | eidolarr | FLAC |
| 22:14.38 | Arrowmaster | only good to come from the iPod, it killed WMA/WMV |
| 22:15.12 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: This may be the case, and it is a valid point. But most people buy things for "cool" factor and to follow trends. Both areas where Apple excels. And Apple has really good interface designers. Frankly, I think every developer, should read their Human Interface Guidelines book. |
| 22:15.21 | Amarande | Arrow: before iTunes, wasn't DRM WMA the dominant format for purchased music? |
| 22:15.25 | A-KO | I agree Lunessa |
| 22:15.32 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: yeah, i do wish ipods supported flac, but that really does fall under the <5% population thing along with ogg :P |
| 22:15.42 | Amarande | except for the few then-considered-crazy folks who sold MP3s |
| 22:15.46 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: yes, although it was still a very very small market |
| 22:16.54 | eidolarr | I read a paper the other day that implied that Apple's windows suite is intentionally shitty |
| 22:17.06 | Amarande | eidolarr: Apple has a windows suite? |
| 22:17.16 | Amarande | I thought they only really had iTunes, out of the iLife suite Macs get |
| 22:17.20 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: yeah, i honestly can't agree with that |
| 22:17.22 | Nechckn | Just so long as your Apple goodies do not break, they are loverly. |
| 22:17.25 | Amarande | well, there's Safari and MobileMe but I don't know if those are really used much |
| 22:17.26 | Lunessa | Apple produces QuickTime, iTunes and Safari for Windows. |
| 22:17.32 | Amarande | Oh yeah, and QuickTime. |
| 22:17.37 | Nechckn | When they do, that is when you run into hairpulling issues. |
| 22:17.37 | Lunessa | And MobileMe and BonJour |
| 22:17.46 | Amarande | I think I try not to think much about QuickTime, since it spent so much of its history being made of suck |
| 22:17.46 | NightHawkTheSane | I -will- believe that apple doesn't put it's windows suite on a very high priority |
| 22:18.01 | eidolarr | it focused on iTunes |
| 22:18.04 | NightHawkTheSane | but I can't believe they would intentionally make it sub-par |
| 22:18.04 | Amarande | and as for Bonjour, that's kinda an install and forget thing for most people I think |
| 22:18.10 | Arrowmaster | that whole font rendering thing when they first released Safari for Windows was funny as hell |
| 22:18.13 | eidolarr | which makes sense, since iTunes is really the apple product that people would use even on windows |
| 22:18.26 | Lunessa | Amarande: Pretty much all video/audio has spent most of it's history being made of suck. |
| 22:18.27 | Amarande | how popular is MobileMe these days? |
| 22:18.44 | NightHawkTheSane | for iphone users, probably very |
| 22:18.47 | Amarande | well, in QuickTime's case it wasn't even so much the engine itself being made of suck, but the marketing practices |
| 22:18.59 | Amarande | I still remember the olden days when I *dreaded* having to install quicktime to support something |
| 22:19.06 | Amarande | because it meant EVERY SINGLE TIME I visited a webpage that used said media |
| 22:19.13 | Amarande | I would have to sit through being told about how I should buy QuickTime 4 Pro |
| 22:19.22 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, the underlying Quicktime tech has always been pretty solid |
| 22:19.23 | Amarande | I'm glad they got rid of THAT |
| 22:19.25 | NightHawkTheSane | as far as that goes |
| 22:20.11 | Arrowmaster | before they moved to using H264 internally i always had issues with it |
| 22:20.29 | Amarande | mind you, the free QuickTime 4 (the one I remember most from the bad old days) *functioned* nicely enough |
| 22:20.39 | Amarande | it was just the fact that the constant nagware pissed me the hell off that irritated the living shit out of me |
| 22:20.54 | Arrowmaster | which is why quicktime lite was created |
| 22:21.00 | Amarande | especially since it would "helpfully" shoehorn itself in as your player for MIDI music on Web pages |
| 22:21.06 | Amarande | which was a pretty popular thing to have on pages in the day |
| 22:21.53 | Amarande | anyway, that was then, this is now, and quicktime is actually pretty decent now |
| 22:21.54 | Arrowmaster | kill it with fire |
| 22:22.20 | eidolarr | what annoys me is how apple tries to slip in every windows program they have ever written when you install or update quicktime |
| 22:22.37 | Amarande | eidolarr: I've only ever had it ask me if I want MobileMe or Safari |
| 22:22.49 | Amarande | every now and then I consider Safari, but I'm always "hell no" to MobileMe |
| 22:23.31 | Amarande | it can be naggy, but it only happens when there's an itunes update, at least for me |
| 22:23.39 | Amarande | and it's nowhere near as naggy as "upgrade to quicktime 4 pro" was |
| 22:24.26 | Amarande | mostly, Safari comes to mind if there happens to be an itunes update at the same time that the current version of firefox particularly sucks |
| 22:24.38 | Amarande | there having been a few versions that made me start calling it failfox :P |
| 22:24.40 | Arrowmaster | ok off to class |
| 22:24.55 | Amarande | I forget exactly which one but there was one of the 3.5 series |
| 22:25.10 | Amarande | where I think I went several weeks without ever exiting Firefox normally excluding reboots |
| 22:25.16 | Amarande | it was always through "Firefox has stopped working" :P |
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| 22:28.50 | DWSR | eidolarr: lol |
| 22:28.59 | DWSR | They just try to install Apple Update. |
| 22:29.08 | DWSR | Which tries to install every Windows program they've ever made. |
| 22:29.38 | miica | i am not sure if this is bug but when i adit button textcolor which got UIPanelButtonTemplate it edits also talent button colors O,o |
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| 22:31.07 | Maldivia | miica: they probably share the same font object, so when you make changes on it, it affects everywhere its used |
| 22:31.30 | DWSR | ^ |
| 22:31.43 | Kraps | Bibi! |
| 22:31.55 | Bibi | Kraps! |
| 22:31.58 | Kraps | people are confused! |
| 22:32.05 | Bibi | no |
| 22:32.07 | Bibi | they're stupid! |
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| 22:32.09 | Bibi | you're stupid! |
| 22:32.11 | Kraps | :( |
| 22:32.33 | Nechckn | reooooooowww |
| 22:33.10 | Nechckn | Someone has left over Icelandic volcanic dust in their coffee today... |
| 22:33.44 | Kraps | are you SURE its the alpha? |
| 22:33.47 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.08 | Maldivia | Kraps: it's not the alpha, it's friends and family beta |
| 22:34.23 | Kraps | touche |
| 22:34.27 | Odlaw | hrm |
| 22:34.42 | miica | Maldivia: :< |
| 22:34.45 | Odlaw | when is non friends and family beta then :( |
| 22:34.55 | miica | Maldivia: so i need to make new texture again! :DD |
| 22:35.13 | Lunessa | Odlaw: The answer is "when it's ready" or "Soon" |
| 22:35.17 | Maldivia | no, you just need to make a copy of the font object, make changes on that, and set the font object on your button |
| 22:35.19 | Kraps | Odlaw: hated enemies beta |
| 22:35.51 | Amarande | Nechckn: I get that feeling a lot here :| |
| 22:36.39 | Sixen | Has it actually started yet though? |
| 22:36.49 | Nechckn | True, but always nice to have a fun reminder, Amarande |
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| 22:38.05 | miica | Maldivia: didint work or i fail.. |
| 22:38.06 | Thunder_Child | also, that garfield comic is fail |
| 22:38.24 | miica | Maldivia: http://pastebin.com/z9kywNJK |
| 22:38.38 | Shirik | IT IS ALWAYS FAIL |
| 22:38.45 | Maldivia | miica: hehe - that's not the way :) |
| 22:39.30 | miica | nope? :D |
| 22:40.35 | Maldivia | miica: been a while, try something like: local font = CreateFont(); font:SetFontObject(Name:GetDisabledFontObject()) font:SetTextColor(...) Name:SetDisabledFontObject(font) |
| 22:42.02 | Maldivia | if I recall correctly, that should create a new font object, set its parent to the current disabled font object (to inherit font type, size etc), set the text color of the font, and apply that to the Name button |
| 22:42.36 | Maldivia | ofcourse, you might want to do that only once, and reuse the font object you create for all your button, to save resources |
| 22:50.38 | Amarande | wow, that escort went better than I thought |
| 22:50.46 | Amarande | probably because crusader was proccing at a ridiculous rate :) |
| 22:52.21 | Lunessa | *sigh* Seriously people, character names based on drugs aren't clever, witty or fun. |
| 22:52.34 | Lunessa | Today's random forum inspired rant. |
| 22:53.31 | Maldivia | what about character names made while under the influence of drugs? |
| 22:53.43 | Lunessa | That's you're own look out. |
| 22:53.52 | Lunessa | your not you're |
| 22:53.57 | Lunessa | dies of shame |
| 22:54.32 | Kraps | wow a reverse grammar fail |
| 22:54.44 | Maldivia | it's getting late, you can always use that as an excuse :) |
| 22:55.36 | Lunessa | I don't need an excuse to fail. Im not in Shirik's league, but hey... it happens to all of use sooner or later. |
| 22:56.14 | Shirik | .. |
| 22:56.23 | Shirik | how do I get dragged into EVERYTHING |
| 22:56.26 | Shirik | you all love me that much? |
| 22:56.27 | nicoli_s | juh cuh |
| 22:56.44 | NightHawkTheSane | ARGHLKJSDFL:SKJf |
| 22:56.49 | Lunessa | Shirik: -snicker- |
| 22:56.50 | Maldivia | time for some latin? errare humanum est |
| 22:56.57 | NightHawkTheSane | just took 2 hours to debug a problem setting cookies |
| 22:57.07 | NightHawkTheSane | just now realized the problem was that he was setting the expirey date in the past. |
| 22:57.13 | DWSR | Can you play vs. an AI in SC2? |
| 22:57.21 | Shirik | um |
| 22:57.26 | Shirik | I'm not sure if you can call it an "AI" |
| 22:57.26 | cog|work | Shirik: make me a babbage analytical engine kthxbai |
| 22:57.30 | Lunessa | Maldivia: To err is human |
| 22:57.39 | DWSR | Shirik: I just want a sandbox to play around with the new units and get used to everything |
| 22:58.05 | Maldivia | men kun en dåre begår den samme fejl to gange :) |
| 22:58.21 | Shirik | infinite loop: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cache%3Almgtfy.com |
| 22:58.30 | Lunessa | Ok, if you're going to speak any icelandic languages, I'm going to quit. |
| 22:58.55 | DWSR | lol Shirk |
| 22:58.59 | DWSR | Shirik* |
| 22:59.08 | kd3 | whee |
| 22:59.10 | kd3 | realm crash |
| 22:59.23 | dusky | yep, mannoroth just went down |
| 22:59.26 | Maldivia | Lunessa: it was Danish, and it basically mean: but only an idiot makes the same mistake twice :) |
| 22:59.33 | kd3 | and by realm I mean battlegroup |
| 22:59.35 | kd3 | wtg ruin |
| 22:59.39 | kd3 | sighs at medivh |
| 23:00.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: awesome :) |
| 23:00.06 | Shirik | QUICKLY KD3, EVERYONE SPAM THE FORUMS BECAUSE BLIZZARD OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T KNOW IT'S DOWN AND IS DOING NOTHING TO CORRECT IT AND THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME |
| 23:00.16 | DWSR | ^ |
| 23:00.17 | Kraps | ^ |
| 23:00.26 | kd3 | watches CS explode |
| 23:00.49 | Fisker | QUICKLY KD3, SPAM YOUR BLIZZARD CONTACTS TO GET ME A BETA KEY |
| 23:00.57 | kd3 | not til I get one first |
| 23:01.01 | kd3 | >.> |
| 23:01.45 | kd3 | rofl; the forums just took a dive too. 'server busy. try later' |
| 23:02.12 | Fisker | in b4 Blizzard making stickies acting like the victim |
| 23:02.35 | Kraps | This worries for me one thing, Tree of life = Healing increase, Aura Shapeshift talent = More healing in tree form, I hope talents will fix that. Give us resto druids an aura without treeform |
| 23:02.44 | Kraps | YOU STUPID FUCKS |
| 23:03.15 | DWSR | Are Protoss super overpowered in SC2 atm? |
| 23:03.21 | DWSR | Because all of the novice matches I'm in, everyone's toss. |
| 23:03.38 | Fisker | everyone's a tosser |
| 23:04.01 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 23:04.07 | Shirik | But I also play 2v2 |
| 23:04.45 | Lunessa | Maldivia: :D |
| 23:05.21 | eidolarr | DWSR: I think just like in SC, protoss is the easiest to learn but hardest to master |
| 23:06.22 | DWSR | Terran got a massive upgrade in SC2. |
| 23:06.23 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 23:06.27 | DWSR | There's like a BAZILLION things you can do. |
| 23:06.35 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:06.53 | Shirik | There's pretty much one thing you can do: |
| 23:06.54 | Shirik | MMM |
| 23:06.55 | Kraps | where can i get an SC2 key? |
| 23:07.02 | Thunder_Child | from blizzard |
| 23:07.06 | kd3 | yes! |
| 23:07.12 | kd3 | "It is true that players will not be able to enter Azeroth the day Cataclysm is released and queue for a new dungeon using the LFD tool. The dungeon must be discovered on the map before it is unlocked in the tool." |
| 23:07.22 | Maldivia | Kraps: wait around 3 months and buy it in the store :) |
| 23:07.32 | Kraps | seems that people are getting more than one |
| 23:07.43 | Kraps | and giving them away |
| 23:07.45 | Maldivia | latest invite-a-friend contained 2 keys |
| 23:07.46 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24630855787&pageNo=1&sid=1#14 |
| 23:07.50 | Fisker | 7grr kd3 |
| 23:08.00 | Fisker | i understood that as you couldn't enter azeroth or queue for dungeons |
| 23:08.01 | Xyphoid | oh that's nice, i still run into people who can't run back to HOR successfully |
| 23:08.02 | Fisker | rage |
| 23:08.10 | Fisker | anyway old news kd3 |
| 23:08.13 | Thunder_Child | is 7grr worse than normall grr? |
| 23:08.21 | Fisker | and because of that you are now obligated to give me your beta key |
| 23:08.24 | Kraps | 7x more grrr |
| 23:08.35 | Maldivia | Thunder: it's the 1337 version of it |
| 23:08.43 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 23:08.46 | Fisker | atleast they're getting back attunements |
| 23:09.56 | Kraps | "Its a well known fact that blizzard all gets together and eats BBQ Pizza and lans starcraft while they are spose to be making my cata." |
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| 23:12.55 | Amarande | Xyphoid: it's usually Blood Furnace that gets people here. |
| 23:13.32 | Xyphoid | i imagine BRD is pretty funny too |
| 23:14.14 | Shirik | How exactly do you say "You are full of shit" and "I never made any personal attacks" at the same time? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Turian&diff=359941166&oldid=359940922 |
| 23:14.48 | cog|work | Shirik: step away from the wiki, nice and slow |
| 23:14.55 | Shirik | nah |
| 23:15.03 | Shirik | NEED TO BLOCK MORE TROLLS |
| 23:16.18 | Lunessa | No, you NEED TO GRADUATE |
| 23:16.25 | Shirik | I am :( |
| 23:16.31 | Shirik | next semester |
| 23:16.45 | Lunessa | You're the king of too many projects. |
| 23:16.53 | NightHawkTheSane | no Shirik, you NEED MORE COWBELL |
| 23:17.05 | Kraps | i'm glad we've reached a point in society where we can edit-war over "American Idol (season 9)" |
| 23:17.10 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:17.17 | Kraps | wait i'm not |
| 23:17.55 | Shirik | Lunessa, I am by no means a king :( |
| 23:18.27 | Lunessa | Shirik: I mean, you've always got more projects/calls on your time than you have time. And you're always adding more. |
| 23:18.30 | Kraps | Queen? |
| 23:18.38 | Shirik | ok that is true ._. |
| 23:18.42 | Thunder_Child | Princess |
| 23:18.53 | Kraps | Shirik: wheres the ani thread? |
| 23:18.58 | Shirik | ~shirik |
| 23:18.59 | purl | from memory, shirik is "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 23:19.01 | Lunessa | Pretty, Pretty Princess Shirik? |
| 23:19.01 | NightHawkTheSane | shirik is a pretty pretty princess of overworking himself |
| 23:19.12 | NightHawkTheSane | high fives Lunessa |
| 23:19.23 | Lunessa | takes a bow. |
| 23:19.24 | Shirik | Kraps: I have no idea what he's talking about tbh |
| 23:19.28 | Shirik | I'm uninvolved in that |
| 23:19.37 | Shirik | I just saw that come across one of the alert bots |
| 23:19.44 | batrick | shirik and i need minions to do our biddi*cough* i mean employees to work on our projects |
| 23:19.51 | sixen-debug | Shirik, you have my vote. |
| 23:19.58 | Shirik | for? |
| 23:19.59 | NightHawkTheSane | batrick: no, minions was right. employees would get paid :P |
| 23:20.00 | batrick | Shirik: amirite?? |
| 23:20.03 | sixen-debug | Prez. |
| 23:20.07 | Shirik | o.O |
| 23:20.08 | batrick | meh |
| 23:20.13 | sixen-debug | <3 |
| 23:20.24 | batrick | i got a gsoc student im mentoring :) |
| 23:20.34 | batrick | he gets paid |
| 23:21.03 | Lunessa | batrick: Well, this channel is a fountainhead of unpaid work... |
| 23:21.38 | batrick | plenty of us collect donations |
| 23:21.44 | batrick | so not really |
| 23:22.22 | Lunessa | That wasn't my point, I was implying that this might be a place to recruit minions. |
| 23:22.30 | batrick | ah ic |
| 23:22.35 | Fisker | blows up Shirik |
| 23:22.48 | Lunessa | Back-talking, likely to over-throw your evil empire minions, but minions none the less. |
| 23:23.04 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, i'm way to lazy to plot any kind of empire overthrowing |
| 23:23.43 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: You'd be like the goblins in Dungeon Keeper I and II - we'd just have to smack you a lot until you either got some work done or died. |
| 23:24.11 | batrick | shirik we need to find a new chess medium |
| 23:25.11 | Shirik | http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/pt10123002.php |
| 23:25.56 | Fisker | Shirik i blew you up |
| 23:26.04 | Shirik | is that what caused the earthquake? |
| 23:26.05 | Nechckn | Shirik 'tis the boobquake come to fruition! |
| 23:26.16 | Nechckn | That zealot was right! |
| 23:26.30 | Fisker | damnit Nechckn |
| 23:27.48 | Nechckn | Double damnit, Fisker |
| 23:27.58 | Kraps | Shirik: "Comments:There has been discussion for the past month about the colors to be used in the elimination chart and now that a consensus has been found to use a certain color, but Turian keeps reverting back to his preferred color/version claiming "No consensus" but making no argument how a consensus has not been found." |
| 23:28.04 | Kraps | wtf |
| 23:28.31 | Shirik | That might be a candidate for WP:LAME |
| 23:28.31 | Kraps | Honestly, this has to be one of the lamest edit wars I've ever seen. Blocked â for a period of 12 hours., and I'll protect the page if the edit warring happens again. I would have given a 48 hour block but this is just so...lame. Tim Song |
| 23:29.24 | Fisker | is there a WP:FUCKYOU? |
| 23:29.31 | Shirik | no |
| 23:29.38 | Fisker | WP:STFU? |
| 23:29.51 | Shirik | actually looks like WP:FUCKYOU was created twice |
| 23:29.53 | sixen-debug | :o |
| 23:30.00 | Shirik | 12:47, 11 February 2010 SarekOfVulcan (talk | contribs | block) deleted "Wikipedia:FUCKYOU" ? (G8: Page dependent on a deleted or nonexistent page) (view/restore) |
| 23:30.00 | Shirik | 07:23, 28 October 2008 Pedro (talk | contribs | block) deleted "Wikipedia:FUCKYOU" ? (G3: Vandalism) (view/restore) |
| 23:30.00 | Fisker | see |
| 23:30.21 | sixen-debug | Lol fisker. |
| 23:30.42 | Fisker | i'm Pedro |
| 23:30.58 | Shirik | unlikely |
| 23:31.18 | Fisker | wanna fight about it? |
| 23:31.41 | Shirik | I doubt there's much you can do about it |
| 23:31.52 | Fisker | i can blow you up |
| 23:32.47 | kd3 | whee |
| 23:33.05 | sixen-debug | Haid kd3 |
| 23:33.10 | sixen-debug | Long time, :) |
| 23:33.13 | kd3 | 'lo sixen |
| 23:34.28 | WobWork | It's so sad that previously much more capable trolls like Fisker, are now reduced to claiming false responsiblity for stupid stunts |
| 23:34.36 | WobWork | Poor Fisker |
| 23:34.40 | WobWork | You've gone downhill =( |
| 23:34.52 | WobWork | You no longer have the high quality trolling you used to have |
| 23:34.56 | WobWork | it's past your time =( |
| 23:35.00 | Fisker | It's actually kinda nice |
| 23:35.08 | Fisker | Because you're trying to troll me |
| 23:35.10 | Fisker | which is not working |
| 23:35.13 | Fisker | based on me trolling you |
| 23:35.17 | WobWork | pats Fisker on the head |
| 23:35.21 | Amarande | what did "FUCKYOU" stand for? :) |
| 23:35.21 | Fisker | so i'm actually successful troll, and you're not :) |
| 23:35.23 | WobWork | That's alright Fisker |
| 23:35.29 | WobWork | We still love you for yourself |
| 23:35.43 | WobWork | Even if you can't get it up =) |
| 23:35.52 | Kraps | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129158313232935433.jpg |
| 23:38.44 | NightHawkTheSane | . |
| 23:39.34 | Amarande | hmm, remind me to go balance at 40 |
| 23:39.51 | Amarande | from what I'm seeing, the only things rogues have on cat druids are pick pocket and pick lock :) |
| 23:39.56 | eidolarr | it appears that in linux you can only fopen() some fixed number of files, even if you fclose() the ones you've already used |
| 23:40.03 | Amarande | Cat druids seem like they have all the things that suck about rogues and none of the fun stuff :) |
| 23:40.13 | eidolarr | for example if you do while(1) fclose(fopen("bleh.txt", "r")) you will eventually fail |
| 23:40.19 | eidolarr | is there something i can do to avoid that? |
| 23:41.23 | WobWork | Amarande: that's why I levelled mostly as balance |
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| 23:42.48 | Amarande | Wob: how did feral get to be the recommended method then :S |
| 23:42.59 | Antiarc | Addon question: |
| 23:43.08 | DWSR | Anyone got a counter for massed void rays? |
| 23:43.14 | Antiarc | Does anyone know of a mod that saves your characters' tradeskill links, so you can pull up their tradeskill books from any character? |
| 23:43.29 | Danny-xh5ij2 | I've always used gnomish yellow pages |
| 23:43.38 | Danny-xh5ij2 | But thats basically every tradeskill link |
| 23:43.44 | Danny-xh5ij2 | Including the ones spammed in trade chat. |
| 23:43.49 | Kraps | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129154186400667913.jpg |
| 23:44.28 | eidolarr | DWSR: don't let it happen |
| 23:44.44 | Antiarc | Danny-xh5ij2: Hm. I just want my characters'. |
| 23:44.54 | Antiarc | Maybe I'll whip one up. |
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| 23:45.44 | WobWork | Amarande: because one on one, with most mobs, feral is effective enough |
| 23:45.58 | WobWork | and even with a few, popping into bear works well enough |
| 23:46.05 | Xyphoid | feral gets run speed in dps form |
| 23:46.08 | Xyphoid | that's the biggie for me |
| 23:46.09 | WobWork | although, that's more at the higher levels |
| 23:46.35 | WobWork | 20-40 are pretty painful overall |
| 23:46.47 | Amarande | ... if only they let you fight most mobs one on one though :S |
| 23:47.19 | WobWork | dot one up, concentrate on the other |
| 23:47.21 | WobWork | (s) |
| 23:47.31 | WobWork | or swipe your way to victoly |
| 23:47.32 | Amarande | okay, theres some places that let you :) |
| 23:47.40 | Amarande | then there are places like zeb'nowa, which was clearly designed by a sadist |
| 23:48.02 | Amarande | let's see ... hunter enemies, who actually have pets, AND trolls that cast hex |
| 23:48.03 | Xyphoid | when do you get kittyleap anyway |
| 23:48.10 | Amarande | yeah, someone was definitely having a bad day when they designed that :) |
| 23:48.14 | WobWork | kittyleap is nice, but overrated |
| 23:48.22 | WobWork | cooldown on it is terrible =( |
| 23:48.23 | Amarande | probably the day they designed windrunner spire, too |
| 23:48.35 | Amarande | those two places tend to account for the vast majority of my deaths in ghostlands on any class :S |
| 23:48.39 | WobWork | I want to kittyleap everywhere! |
| 23:49.27 | Danny-xh5ij2 | I always get disoriented when I kittyleap |
| 23:49.30 | Danny-xh5ij2 | Drives me nuts. |
| 23:49.37 | Antiarc | Rogues should get baseline shadowstep >:| |
| 23:50.00 | Danny-xh5ij2 | Right after they lose all their other cheap, dirty cooldowns :P |
| 23:50.42 | Amarande | ehh, Antiarc, I'd be satisfied with lowered energy costs globally |
| 23:50.58 | Amarande | Honestly, that's the main reason I have trouble with adds |
| 23:51.09 | Amarande | because there is no energy left after the first mob |
| 23:51.14 | Amarande | at low levels anyway |
| 23:51.41 | Antiarc | Well, the only multi-target thing rogues get is blade flurry |
| 23:51.49 | Antiarc | And that's 8.5% uptime after you're 21 deep in combat |
| 23:52.25 | Amarande | Ot |
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| 23:52.35 | Amarande | It's almost like they meant rogues to be one of the more group dependent classes for a long time |
| 23:53.09 | Amarande | they really also should fix it so mobs' pets despawn when the master dies, like player pets do |
| 23:53.41 | Amarande | half the time, the mob pet is perfectly okay without having a master |
| 23:53.54 | WobWork | I have issues with my rogue in multi mob situations |
| 23:54.07 | Amarande | unless the designers' idea with Zeb'Nowa was that you were going to get all the quests related to it, then do them all with the group you nominally need for Kel'gash |
| 23:54.08 | WobWork | but that could be cause I suck at roguing, after not playing it for a while |
| 23:54.19 | Amarande | and therefore, the whole place was really intended to be grouped from the get go despite there only being the one elite |
| 23:54.48 | Antiarc | Rogues struggle with multi-target stuff in a way that other melee don't |
| 23:55.12 | alestane | Although they do have a few answers; evasion comes to mind. |
| 23:55.13 | Antiarc | Blade Flurry + Kspree is guaranteed to puree them, but that's a 2-minute cooldown. |
| 23:55.23 | WobWork | it's the cooldowns that kill me =) |
| 23:55.39 | Antiarc | Whereas on my ret paladin, I would just pull 8 mobs and walk out 30 seconds later at full health and full mana |
| 23:55.41 | WobWork | I can SS/BF/evasion/vanish if need be |
| 23:55.52 | WobWork | but then the next wandering patrol smushes me |
| 23:56.14 | DWSR | wow. |
| 23:56.17 | DWSR | Motherships are stupid powerful. |
| 23:56.19 | WobWork | but really, I just suck at rogue |
| 23:56.25 | WobWork | I used to be alright at it |
| 23:56.35 | WobWork | but habits from other classes are probably getting in my way |
| 23:56.43 | Amarande | Antiarc: yeah, I have to wonder if rogues are intended to group more often |
| 23:57.08 | Antiarc | Rogues are fine solo, just not as solid as other classes |
| 23:57.08 | Amarande | hence why they're given the unique, and very useful to other people lockpick ability? |
| 23:57.17 | Danny-xh5ij2 | I think its more that they wanted them to be somewhat weaker against multiple targets given how good they are 1v1 |
| 23:57.19 | Antiarc | The self-heal will help that a bit, I think |
| 23:57.27 | Antiarc | Rogues aren't any better 1v1 than anyone else, at least today |
| 23:57.37 | Danny-xh5ij2 | My moonkin says otherwise! |
| 23:57.37 | Amarande | but yeah, I'm not sure exactly what they were thinking when they designed Zeb'Nowa |
| 23:57.38 | Antiarc | They were in vanilla, sure |
| 23:57.44 | Amarande | which easily has you fighting 4 or even 5 mobs of your level or so at once |
| 23:58.00 | Antiarc | Moonkin is a spec, not a class. Go feral, hit berserk, and vaporize someone :P |
| 23:58.00 | Amarande | 2 catlords? That's 4 mobs, because they have pets, and they're the stupid kind of pet that doesn't despawn when the master dies |
| 23:58.20 | Xyphoid | pull back a bit then? |
| 23:58.31 | Danny-xh5ij2 | Then I'd be a smelly man-bear-cat. Pffft! |
| 23:58.39 | Antiarc | I've leveled a shaman, warrior, priest, paladin, and rogue to 80 |
| 23:58.39 | Amarande | Xyphoid: Zeb'Nowa also has casters that cast hex |
| 23:58.45 | Antiarc | priest was the least fun, but a lot more stable than rogue |
| 23:58.52 | Amarande | so you get chickened and wander randomly *into* said pair of catlords. |
| 23:58.56 | Antiarc | rogue I just had so much downtime recovering between fights |
| 23:59.11 | WobWork | we have a self heal? |
| 23:59.13 | WobWork | whut? |
| 23:59.16 | Antiarc | We will in Cata |
| 23:59.20 | NiLon | rogue..downtime..? |
| 23:59.21 | WobWork | oh =) |
| 23:59.36 | WobWork | rogue have no downtime if they don't get hit |
| 23:59.38 | Antiarc | Once I hit Storm Peaks I was stopping to bandage or eat every 2 mobs or so |
| 23:59.45 | Antiarc | Because my dodge converted like crap |
| 23:59.51 | Antiarc | And I started getting pummeled |
| 23:59.51 | Xyphoid | my first char was a rogue, quit at 30 because it was so annoying |
| 23:59.56 | Fisker | it took you 30 seconds to kill a mob? |
