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| 00:18.20 | Bruners | tekkub: implying hell exists |
| 00:18.51 | Bruners | afaik even the pope has said it's a story told to scare kids |
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| 00:34.23 | bleeter | spose there's no unofficial android armory app yet, is there? :( |
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| 00:36.22 | Iriel | not AFAIK |
| 00:40.20 | bleeter | thx Iriel |
| 00:41.09 | bleeter | btw Iriel, did you see the sample of Nokia's upcoming 12MP phone? http://vimeo.com/11266224 quite nice |
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| 00:46.26 | Adys | Maldivia: ping |
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| 00:48.41 | Thunder_Child | ~staple Iriel |
| 00:48.42 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Iriel quite well, and hands Iriel to thunder_child |
| 00:48.48 | Iriel | indeed |
| 00:48.50 | Iriel | stupid router |
| 00:49.15 | Cide | hi |
| 00:56.03 | bleeter | hi |
| 00:56.21 | bleeter | I guess that explains why Iriel didn't reply to me |
| 00:56.32 | bleeter | then again he could just be in a 'piss off i'm feeling rude' kinda mood ;) |
| 00:56.47 | Iriel | Hm> |
| 00:56.56 | bleeter | btw Iriel, did you see the sample of Nokia's upcoming 12MP phone? http://vimeo.com/11266224 quite nice unsure if edited on the phone or externally |
| 00:57.11 | bleeter | but the device will apparently ship with editing capabilities |
| 00:57.16 | Iriel | I might be out to kill someone at AT&T or Motorola but you/re probably safe |
| 00:58.07 | bleeter | ...probaly... |
| 00:58.11 | bleeter | hides |
| 00:59.37 | Iriel | bleeter: interesting, wonder if that's taken on an actual production line N8, or 'on hardware that's the same as the stuff we will mass produce and make the N8 out of' |
| 01:01.16 | Thunder_Child | a priest in this bg names javascript |
| 01:01.36 | Thunder_Child | named* |
| 01:07.11 | dusky | the name javascript annoys me |
| 01:10.17 | bleeter | Iriel: I'd suspect it's final test unit hardware before production |
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| 01:15.02 | Iriel | bleeter: and how much post-processing |
| 01:15.09 | Iriel | bleeter: posted something with editing and music wasn't so hot |
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| 01:31.23 | bleeter | Iriel: they say 0 post-processing, is the point. could all well be on-device. either way, sdtill fairly nice that phones are getting in to 720 territory |
| 01:31.44 | Iriel | But thats OBVIOUSLY a lie |
| 01:31.50 | Iriel | Because it's OBVIOUSLY edited |
| 01:31.57 | Iriel | It's a stupid marketing trick |
| 01:35.23 | dusky | how would i go about preventing auctionator from loading until Blizzard_AuctionUI is loaded? have yet to mess around with things like this. |
| 01:36.11 | Iriel | You'd make Auctionator depend on Blizzard_AuctionUI |
| 01:37.27 | dusky | makes sense! |
| 01:37.39 | Iriel | You might want to look into LoadsWith and LoadOnDemand |
| 01:37.53 | dusky | will do; thanks :] |
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| 01:59.37 | Nechckn | Not sure if it has made the rounds, yet, but Kandoko found : http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/ It is the ultimate in cool! |
| 02:00.34 | Nechckn | http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.php?theme=2&music=2&url=WoWInterface.Com for instance... take that Cairenn! |
| 02:00.49 | Cairenn | yeah yeah, we've seen it already |
| 02:01.05 | Nechckn | sniffles |
| 02:01.19 | Nechckn | Here I was hoping to be semioriginal.... |
| 02:01.25 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:01.30 | Cairenn | hugs Nechckn |
| 02:01.36 | Iriel | It was on boingboing a few days back |
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| 02:01.58 | Nechckn | Gotcha, had not seen it myself, so could not resist. |
| 02:02.53 | Cairenn | this is what dolby did to it the other day: http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.php?theme=3&music=10&url=wowinterface.com/community.php |
| 02:03.39 | Wobin | ... Spellflash |
| 02:03.57 | Wobin | has an animated half naked demon chick with chain mail |
| 02:08.21 | Nechckn | lol, that is looking very geo-ish, that is for sure. ;-) |
| 02:17.46 | Thunder_Child | thats odd, my gnome created a larger big blizz bear than a belf |
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| 02:18.20 | Cide | Shirik: wanna play? |
| 02:18.44 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: that's not odd, that's how mounts scale in wow since, well ever |
| 02:19.01 | Thunder_Child | that gnomes are larger than belfs? |
| 02:19.14 | Gnarfoz | did you say your gnome was larger than your belf |
| 02:19.24 | Gnarfoz | or did you say your gnome's mount was larger than your belf's? |
| 02:19.36 | Thunder_Child | i assumed it was based on char size |
| 02:19.53 | Gnarfoz | it is, just not the way you thought |
| 02:20.05 | Thunder_Child | width vs hight? |
| 02:20.09 | Gnarfoz | i.e. inversely proportional, for *whatever* reason :\ |
| 02:20.21 | Thunder_Child | height* |
| 02:20.37 | Gnarfoz | I dunno, but gnomes' mounts are always a bit bigger |
| 02:21.10 | Gnarfoz | tackle some blizzard guy at the next blizzcon and demand an answer! ^^ |
| 02:21.23 | Gnarfoz | (preferably in a gnome costume, hmmm.) |
| 02:21.27 | Thunder_Child | seems odd that it has not been changed. seems like one of the pointless things people qq about |
| 02:22.11 | Gnarfoz | that is probably the reason: it's qq, it's pointless, they don't care |
| 02:22.12 | Gnarfoz | :D |
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| 02:22.38 | Thunder_Child | i'm usre they dont care about half the things they change because people qq about it |
| 02:23.33 | Thunder_Child | sure* |
| 02:34.54 | DWSR | http://www.cad-comic.com/images/temp/planespartan.jpg |
| 02:34.54 | DWSR | WIN |
| 02:36.04 | Cide | fuck marauders |
| 02:55.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.vendingspree.com/ |
| 02:58.55 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:58.59 | DWSR | Article is win |
| 02:59.55 | Cide | huh |
| 02:59.56 | Cide | so |
| 03:00.02 | Cide | immortals demolish marauders |
| 03:00.04 | Cide | I never knew |
| 03:01.00 | alestane | The immortals' hardened shields should pretty much shrug off the concussion missiles. |
| 03:01.15 | Cide | nah |
| 03:01.25 | Cide | still takes 10 damage |
| 03:01.33 | Cide | it basically removes marauders' bonus damage to armored |
| 03:01.44 | Cide | but their attacks demolish marauders |
| 03:01.53 | DWSR | http://www.vendingspree.com/2010/04/26/vending-spree/ |
| 03:01.58 | DWSR | lol @ the pic at the bottom |
| 03:02.14 | Cide | which makes sense but everyone keeps citing chargelots as the answer |
| 03:02.17 | Cide | which is total bs |
| 03:06.51 | Torhal | Cairenn: Can I has a nightcracker mallet? |
| 03:07.04 | Cairenn | oh god, what now? |
| 03:07.15 | Torhal | Oh, nothing beyond what you jumped his shit for |
| 03:07.20 | Cairenn | ah, okay |
| 03:07.35 | Torhal | I just wanna smish a lil' |
| 03:07.52 | Cairenn | repeats her mantra so she doesn't kill him "he's 14 he's 14 he's 14 he's 14 he's 14" |
| 03:08.00 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:11.23 | NightHawkTheSane | 14 year olds could generally use a little more killing |
| 03:13.02 | Thunder_Child | or banning |
| 03:13.20 | Thunder_Child | at least it's repeatable |
| 03:15.14 | Thunder_Child | lol http://lmwhtfy.com/ |
| 03:15.50 | Thunder_Child | because i could http://goo.gl/abf6 |
| 03:15.59 | Torhal | I think my largest issue with him is he thinks he knows everything (he's 14) and has a severe case of "Not Invented Here". |
| 03:16.00 | alestane | Who needs smacking down? |
| 03:16.25 | Torhal | Some kid on the forums :) |
| 03:16.46 | alestane | Blizzard or WoWI? |
| 03:16.49 | Torhal | WoWI |
| 03:17.02 | alestane | Ah. Don't follow those as closely. |
| 03:21.16 | Thunder_Child | there is a 'frosty flying carpet' needs more cowbell imo. |
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| 03:43.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, parenting.. http://www.inktank.com/2008/11/28/toys/ |
| 03:46.46 | ZorbaTHut | http://swtch.com/r.zip this is pretty sweet. |
| 03:47.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i'm going to need way more information than that before i click a link that ends in .zip |
| 03:47.31 | ZorbaTHut | it's a zip. it contains itself. |
| 03:48.35 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i'm just going to pretend i didn't see that. my brain cant handle breaking reality right now. |
| 03:48.42 | ZorbaTHut | :D |
| 03:49.46 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaTHut: zip bombs ftw? |
| 03:50.08 | ZorbaTHut | it's not even a normal zip bomb, though it does have something of that effect with badly-designed antivirus software |
| 03:59.19 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: My mind asploded. |
| 03:59.21 | DWSR | It contains itself? |
| 03:59.22 | DWSR | lolwut? |
| 04:04.47 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, yup. you decompress it, and you get it. |
| 04:05.23 | DWSR | How the hell does that even work? |
| 04:06.59 | DWSR | btw, anyone here watch SGU? |
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| 04:09.08 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, http://research.swtch.com/2010/03/zip-files-all-way-down.html |
| 04:09.11 | Wobin | http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2010/04/20/new-age-terrorists-develop-homeopathic-bomb/ |
| 04:09.12 | ZorbaBeta | (whee power outage) |
| 04:09.13 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 04:10.06 | ccox | grrrr, steampowered.com login/account creation appears to be down |
| 04:11.53 | DWSR | rofl Wobin |
| 04:16.24 | DWSR | hrm. |
| 04:19.25 | DWSR | Does anyone know a good program, FOSS or not, that will aid me in tagging my 20k+ library? I need it to be able to pull in album data from muliple online sources such as MusicBrainz, Discogs, Amazon, have a relatively quick workflow, the ability to work with both FLAC and mp3, and hopefully also analyze ReplayGain data. |
| 04:19.51 | DWSR | Bah. |
| 04:19.56 | DWSR | English has no good way to embed lists within lists. |
| 04:20.35 | alestane | Depends how complex the items listed are. |
| 04:20.47 | DWSR | alestane: The above example. |
| 04:21.07 | alestane | Semicolons are adequate. |
| 04:21.12 | DWSR | Really? |
| 04:21.41 | alestane | "I need it to be able to pull in album data from muliple online sources such as MusicBrainz, Discogs, Amazon; have a relatively quick workflow; the ability to work with both FLAC and mp3; and hopefully also analyze ReplayGain data." |
| 04:21.48 | DWSR | hrm. |
| 04:21.56 | DWSR | Meh, I suppose that works. |
| 04:22.12 | DWSR | I must say that the semicolon is something that wasn't touched upon in any of my English course. |
| 04:22.13 | alestane | It's slightly sketchy, but comprehensible and clearer than using commas throughout. |
| 04:22.16 | DWSR | Even first year college. |
| 04:22.21 | DWSR | "slightly sketchy" |
| 04:22.23 | DWSR | ? |
| 04:22.28 | alestane | It's a lost tool. |
| 04:22.41 | DWSR | that's what she said. |
| 04:22.46 | DWSR | ...Sorry. |
| 04:22.58 | alestane | It doesn't quite parse cleanly, but it's comprehensible to almost anybody. |
| 04:23.18 | DWSR | Yeah, I suppose you're right. |
| 04:23.34 | DWSR | Still, it would be nice if there was a "proper" way to do it.\ |
| 04:23.40 | DWSR | Or for someone to show me. |
| 04:24.23 | alestane | Although if you added a "have" in front of "the ability to work well..." then it should have even structure. |
| 04:25.25 | alestane | You can make it even clearer by leading the list with a colon: "I need it to: be able to ..." |
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| 04:32.57 | Amarande | wtf. |
| 04:33.19 | Amarande | do crusader and unholy just not work on vendor whites, or do they not work with sinister strike, or do things just die too fast for me to ever see it proc? :scratches head: |
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| 04:41.12 | Thrae | In the old days, I would throw print() statements all over the place for debugging. Is there anything new in the API to figure out why functions aren't firing as they should? |
| 04:46.04 | Amarande | okay, now I"ve seen crusader proc |
| 04:46.07 | Amarande | I still haven't seen unholy proc |
| 04:46.14 | Amarande | that, or if it has, I don't know how to recognize it proccing |
| 04:49.00 | Wobin | or "need it to: 1) be able..." |
| 04:51.05 | Thrae | Wobin: What are you referring to? |
| 04:51.33 | Thrae | Wobin: Something you said ~40 minutes ago? |
| 04:51.41 | Wobin | DWSR's conversatin |
| 04:51.44 | Wobin | ion |
| 04:52.12 | Wobin | it was only 35min ago! |
| 04:52.51 | DWSR | Amarande: They work on vendor whites, and they work with ss, I believe you're just killing things too fast. |
| 04:53.02 | DWSR | Thrae: print() |
| 04:53.11 | Thrae | Wobin: Spellflash? |
| 04:53.30 | Wobin | half naked chainmail chick? |
| 04:54.09 | Thrae | DWSR: That doesn't work if you're working with a foreign API. I was hoping some of new profiling functions could do it. |
| 04:54.48 | DWSR | Of course it does. |
| 04:54.51 | DWSR | You just aren't using enough |
| 04:55.54 | Thrae | Wobin: Yeah. Lolita half-naked devil chick in chaimail or just half-naked devil chick in chainmail? |
| 04:56.18 | Corrodias | what? where? |
| 04:57.01 | Thrae | DWSR: I can't make print() print out internal stuff to the addon, especially when that stuff is file scope! And I can't rely on events to print out what's happening since the framework handles the events. |
| 04:58.37 | Wobin | Thrae, the latter |
| 04:59.32 | DWSR | Thrae: Of course it can. Like I said, if it's not working, you aren't using enough. |
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| 05:04.51 | Thrae | Corrodias: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=Etna+makai (warning: keep SafeSearch ON) |
| 05:05.42 | Corrodias | ah, them |
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| 05:06.03 | Thrae | Corrodias: I actually have no idea what they were talking about with the addon SpellFlash. |
| 05:06.25 | Thrae | However, Etna is the coolest Demon (Makai) Girl. |
| 05:10.37 | Wobin | Thrae, http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/images/woman-warrior.gif |
| 05:11.18 | Wobin | the geocitiesizer added that image next to the addon |
| 05:11.28 | Thrae | Wobin: Eww. So 1995. |
| 05:11.35 | Wobin | exactly |
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| 05:21.15 | Wobin | http://petakillsanimals.com/ |
| 05:21.16 | Wobin | nice |
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| 05:40.02 | kd3 | yay, kd3, Hand of A'dal |
| 05:43.00 | Shirik | aww "I am (cosx)^2 and she is (sinx)^2, together we are one." |
| 05:43.29 | DWSR | Oh god.. |
| 05:43.36 | kd3 | winces |
| 05:48.12 | Thunder_Child | and this is why Shirik is still single |
| 05:48.20 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:48.24 | Shirik | it gets better |
| 05:48.34 | Shirik | (01:42:58) - FastLizard4 changes topic to: I am (cosθ)^2 and she is (sinθ)^2, together we are one. So what's d[cos(θ)^2+sin(θ)^2]/dθ? |
| 05:48.34 | Shirik | (01:44:36) (Shirik) a divorce? |
| 05:48.34 | Shirik | (01:44:45) (Shirik) or a murder-suicide |
| 05:53.11 | DWSR | WIN |
| 05:53.21 | DWSR | not. |
| 05:54.18 | Corrodias | i am amused |
| 05:54.49 | Thunder_Child | hello amused |
| 06:00.00 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, steven hawking gets to be hella lazy when giving speeches |
| 06:00.05 | NightHawkTheSane | stephen* |
| 06:00.24 | NightHawkTheSane | speaches* |
| 06:00.34 | Corrodias | speeches. |
| 06:00.35 | NightHawkTheSane | fails |
| 06:00.57 | Shirik | ~failnhts |
| 06:01.15 | NightHawkTheSane | sorry Shirik, apparently i don't fail as spectacularly as you ;) |
| 06:01.23 | Shirik | you do |
| 06:01.31 | Shirik | you're just not cool enough like me to have a medal of such failage |
| 06:01.40 | NightHawkTheSane | this could be true |
| 06:01.46 | Shirik | kd3, do you know what IAR is? |
| 06:02.08 | kd3 | ignore all rules. a great way to get desysopped if you use it wrong |
| 06:02.16 | Shirik | I just got another oppose |
| 06:02.24 | kd3 | lol |
| 06:02.30 | kd3 | tabs open rfa |
| 06:02.33 | Shirik | One of the current admins laughed and paraphrased it as "Oppose - user will not ignore rules enough'" |
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| 06:16.29 | NightHawkTheSane | grumbles |
| 06:16.39 | Thunder_Child | ~comfort NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:16.40 | purl | There, there, NightHawkTheSane. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i want to be able to put a flash video in full screen on my second monitor and do something ELSE on my main screen >< |
| 06:17.04 | NightHawkTheSane | stupid flash |
| 06:17.23 | Thunder_Child | you cant do that in anything |
| 06:17.27 | Thunder_Child | focus ftl |
| 06:18.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Quicktime player lets me do that.. so does vlc i'm fairly sure |
| 06:18.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i've done it in windows media player |
| 06:18.52 | Amarande | bah |
| 06:19.16 | Amarande | do rogues ever get proper energy management, or are we supposed to be whoring autoattack most of the time while we wait for the yellow piss bar to regenerate enough to use stupidly expensive abilities? |
| 06:19.16 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: ah, i have a 2nd task bar, that kills it |
| 06:19.30 | Amarande | no wonder there's a shortage of rogues. |
| 06:19.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: what level are you? |
| 06:19.41 | Amarande | Night: 12 |
| 06:19.45 | Corrodias | NightHawkTheSane: the way i accomplish that is maximizing it in media player classic and setting it to no border (pressing the 1 key) |
| 06:19.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 06:19.53 | Amarande | and starting to get pissed off at my choice of race because the "not enough energy" voices are irritating |
| 06:20.00 | Thunder_Child | then get rid of it |
| 06:20.06 | Corrodias | (the 3 key restores the titlebar and controls and stuff) |
| 06:20.17 | Thunder_Child | but dont bitch at a class if 12 levels is all you have done |
| 06:20.23 | NightHawkTheSane | a) you can turn that off. b) judging how a class plays at 80 based on your experiences at level 12 is monumentally ignorant |
| 06:20.36 | Amarande | well, what I am noticing is my combo builder costs me almost half my energy bar, even talented |
| 06:20.45 | Thunder_Child | you are 12 |
| 06:20.51 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, welcome to being level 12 |
| 06:21.01 | Thunder_Child | no class is particularly fun at 12 |
| 06:21.03 | Corrodias | it's always a waiting game to some extent |
| 06:21.10 | NightHawkTheSane | warriors basically only use heroic strike which they do like once per combat |
| 06:21.20 | NightHawkTheSane | priests get.. smite.. |
| 06:21.20 | Amarande | well, at least my other classes at 12 had the courtesy to at least be able to kill a mob or two before running out of mana :) |
| 06:21.37 | NightHawkTheSane | their mana also didn't come back in under 10 seconds |
| 06:21.45 | Corrodias | as a feral druid, i have fond memories of shredding things to pieces from behind... having to pace myself, actually, because i'd build up 5 combo points due to crits and my DoT was still going |
| 06:21.48 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, it might now that they changed regen, but i digress) |
| 06:21.55 | Amarande | what I'm finding is it is extremely difficult for me to activate S&D on any regular basis |
| 06:21.56 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, it gets better one way or another, but rogues are always an energy-dependent class |
| 06:22.05 | NightHawkTheSane | you're LEVEL 12 |
| 06:22.13 | Amarande | because when I accumulate enough combo points to have enough duration for it to last till I start on the next mob, the thing DIES before I can use S&D |
| 06:22.14 | NightHawkTheSane | for the love of god, you dont exactly do much yet. |
| 06:22.20 | ZorbaBeta | unlike most other classes, you won't be activating abilities on every GCD. |
| 06:22.33 | ZorbaBeta | Also S&D is pretty much useless for soloing, don't bother with it unless you're in groups. |
| 06:22.50 | Corrodias | use the one that just does damage all in one blow. or don't use them at all, even. |
| 06:23.00 | Corrodias | i assume rogues have one of those |
| 06:23.09 | Amarande | Corrodias: yeah, I'm starting to have second thoughts about being feral on my druid, too |
| 06:23.12 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly, if you're decently geared, you dont even need finishers most of the time while soloing |
| 06:23.16 | Amarande | I might limp through as kitty till 40 and then go oomkin |
| 06:23.16 | ZorbaBeta | for leveling it's essentially Cheap Shot+Pickpocket, Sinister Strike times N, Eviscerate |
| 06:23.21 | ZorbaBeta | and you might not even get to Eviscerate |
| 06:23.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 06:23.33 | NightHawkTheSane | you can skip cheap shot too |
| 06:23.35 | Corrodias | i used to stealth, pounce, mangle, mangle, blah blah blah... |
| 06:23.45 | Amarande | yeah, when crusader procs, I don't even have time for a finisher |
| 06:23.47 | Corrodias | i got lazy enough eventually to just run up to things and mangle them to death. |
| 06:24.00 | ZorbaBeta | but yeah, as mentioned: you're *level twelve* |
| 06:24.06 | ZorbaBeta | and you're playing a class that is never GCD-capped |
| 06:24.07 | Amarande | and when unholy procs ... well ... it doesn't do it often (maybe because it's on my OH), but when it does it seems to chop out like a third of these low level mobs' health bars |
| 06:24.11 | ZorbaBeta | that is just what rogues are like. |
| 06:24.31 | ZorbaBeta | AFAIK, rogues, death knights, and kitty druids are the only classes in the game that actually have periods of time when they're waiting. |
| 06:24.41 | Amarande | death knights? |
| 06:24.42 | Corrodias | i was less thrilled with mages, having to drink so god damn often |
| 06:24.47 | Amarande | well maybe, but I don't seem to feel it |
| 06:24.53 | ZorbaBeta | some death knight specs have a tendency to run out of both runes and runic power |
| 06:24.53 | Amarande | then again, that's level 64 vs. 12, I guess |
| 06:24.57 | ZorbaBeta | and then they're waiting for runes to come back up |
| 06:25.07 | Corrodias | fight DRINK fight DRINK |
| 06:25.26 | Amarande | I seem to have this tendency with DW frost to be runic power capped if I fight more than a couple of mobs in a row and then having it go to waste :S |
| 06:25.27 | Corrodias | then there's how warriors have to auto until they build rage, which runs out by the time they reach the next mob |
| 06:25.37 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, it also depends on what you're doing |
| 06:25.42 | ZorbaBeta | soloing, yeah, you'll never run out of stuff |
| 06:25.51 | ZorbaBeta | monsters will die fast enough that you won't burn through enough of your runic power |
| 06:26.16 | ZorbaBeta | corrodias, charge charge charge |
| 06:26.34 | Amarande | (also, are Master skinning and herbalism supposed to max out by the time you're a third of the way through zangar? :) |
| 06:26.36 | Corrodias | how much does that get you? |
| 06:26.49 | Amarande | I find I rarely have trouble with rage as arms |
| 06:26.51 | Amarande | but that's as arms |
| 06:26.54 | Amarande | fury might have more trouble |
| 06:27.06 | ZorbaBeta | 15, plus some extra for talents |
| 06:27.07 | Amarande | (and if you're leveling prot, you're probably a masochist) |
| 06:27.14 | Corrodias | it's a limited resource like energy. there's waitin', at level 12. |
| 06:27.25 | ZorbaBeta | prot leveling is actually pretty fine now |
| 06:27.28 | Amarande | yeah, it got steadily better until stopping to be an issue by 20 or so |
| 06:27.36 | ZorbaBeta | you fly around like a pinball, grab half a dozen monsters at once, and kill them all |
| 06:27.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: if by fine you mean stupidly easy |
| 06:27.58 | Amarande | Zorba: you're thinking prot pally |
| 06:28.03 | NightHawkTheSane | no, he's not |
| 06:28.05 | Amarande | for which that was *always* the case :) |
| 06:28.19 | ZorbaBeta | no, I'm thinking prot warrior |
| 06:28.28 | ZorbaBeta | prot pally doesn't have the zoom-around-like-a-pinball mechanic |
| 06:28.30 | ZorbaBeta | prot warrior does |
| 06:28.45 | Amarande | yeah, I did find with prot pally that *gathering* the mobs was sometimes a pain |
| 06:28.52 | NightHawkTheSane | charge -> tc -> intercept -> tc -> shield block -> revenge spam! |
| 06:28.59 | Amarande | once they're gathered though ... die die die die die die die watch them die. :D |
| 06:29.09 | NightHawkTheSane | well, revenge->hs spam |
| 06:29.11 | ZorbaBeta | charge, taunt, heroic throw, intercept, taunt, charge, wait a little bit, shockwave, :3 |
| 06:29.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: yeah, my warrior doesn't have heroic throw or shockwave yet ;) |
| 06:29.29 | ZorbaBeta | (the :3 step is mandatory) |
| 06:30.06 | Thunder_Child | stop charging me NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:32.10 | Amarande | wonder if they're going to do more to make 1-20 more fun in cata |
| 06:32.21 | Amarande | I should hope so, if they want people to actually want to play worgen and goblins |
| 06:32.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont know how much more fun you want the one hour you spend under 10 to be. |
| 06:32.48 | Amarande | "ooh, goblins/worgen! squee!" "agh, leveling pre 20 sucks again, let's leave this guy to collect dust" *end of new race's luster* |
| 06:32.49 | Thunder_Child | they could make it less fun and people would play them |
| 06:33.00 | industrial | I think 1-20 is fine. 20-80 sucks |
| 06:33.03 | industrial | :p |
| 06:33.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 06:33.06 | Amarande | Night: ehh, 1-10 isn't so bad, 10-20 can be somewhat of a pain |
| 06:33.17 | NightHawkTheSane | only if you're an impatient overracting moron. |
| 06:33.17 | Corrodias | 20-60. outland kicks your ass. |
| 06:33.19 | NightHawkTheSane | oh wait, you are. :P |
| 06:33.28 | Thunder_Child | 70-71 is a huge pita for me |
| 06:33.32 | Amarande | 40-61 are often the best days of my life |
| 06:33.42 | Amarande | either that, or I just love the 40-60 azeroth zones enough that it makes it feel that way |
| 06:33.49 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: i dont think ':p' really fits there |
| 06:33.51 | Amarande | outland ... seems to depend on class |
| 06:33.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, I dislke the 70-72 bit, and 58-60 kinda sucks |
| 06:33.57 | Amarande | I hated Hellfire on my priest but found it great fun on my DK |
| 06:34.00 | NightHawkTheSane | its fast, but annoying |
| 06:34.26 | Amarande | and yeah, one tends to hit northrend a wee bit squishy |
| 06:34.34 | Amarande | I'm still gauging whether my priest is ready or whether she's too squishy |
| 06:34.43 | Amarande | and whether I should respec shadow for the 70-80 grind |
| 06:34.54 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're level 68, you're ready, just don't be dumb. |
| 06:34.59 | Amarande | I did disc from 62-70 or so but then I spent most of it in instances |
| 06:35.02 | industrial | I went in as 58 with my lock and it was fine |
| 06:35.13 | Amarande | such that I never saw any solo zones in outland past Zangar on the priest |
| 06:35.33 | industrial | 75 DK but so much faceroll that I don't even want to play the class... |
| 06:35.33 | Amarande | I usually go to outland around 60-61 now, mostly because I hate to miss out on the plaguelands |
| 06:35.39 | Amarande | I LIKE the plaguelands |
| 06:35.54 | Corrodias | okay, i don't know what is up with you, but you're just -different- |
| 06:35.57 | Corrodias | no wonder you dont like energy. |
| 06:36.11 | industrial | I should focus now on leveling chanting on it |
| 06:36.11 | NightHawkTheSane | I like the way the plagulands feel |
| 06:36.17 | NightHawkTheSane | the quests blow, though. |
| 06:36.17 | Corrodias | like the plaguelands and dislike the higher parts of outland? man. that's -weird-. |
| 06:36.41 | industrial | undead territory is fun |
| 06:36.45 | Amarande | yeah, I mostly like mana, rage isn't so bad once you're level 20 or so, runic power is ooh shiny, energy is just *meh* |
| 06:36.59 | Corrodias | i hated the plaguelands. couldn't run 5 meters without attracting attention. at 60 that was not fun. |
| 06:37.04 | Amarande | I hope focus isn't going to be quite as bad as energy |
| 06:37.07 | Amarande | or I might hate my hunter come cata |
| 06:37.18 | Amarande | although I'm used to going OOM on my hunter anyway heh |
| 06:37.33 | Corrodias | focus works the same way, but you don't manage it manually. usually. |
| 06:37.42 | Amarande | Corrodias: I don't mind the higher level parts of outland at all |
| 06:37.57 | Amarande | my priest just never GOT to them because she got so much xp from instancing (being a healer build) that she was ready for Northrend before hitting Terokkar |
| 06:38.23 | Amarande | my lock did the grand tour, and would be an outland loremaster if not for frickin blade's edge where I'm not even sure where half the rest of the ones I need ARE |
| 06:39.09 | Corrodias | ah |
| 06:39.24 | Amarande | another thing about plaguelands was ... as a DK, it was fun to have some quests to do while finishing out the last bits of herbalism and skinning |
| 06:39.49 | Amarande | well herbalism anyway |
| 06:40.04 | Amarande | skinning I was grinding on cobalt elites in winterspring, hoping for that damned arcanite dragonling schematic so my hunter can be happy |
| 06:41.00 | Amarande | it doesn't like me though :P |
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| 06:41.19 | Amarande | I keep finding the robe of winter night, the greater arcane protection potion, and I even found the mooncloth bag recipe once |
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| 06:41.24 | Amarande | but that dragonling one just *won't drop* |
| 06:42.15 | Amarande | and initially I was excited at finding blue dragonscales to skin, but seeing as it's apparently only useful for shamans, which I don't have yet ... |
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| 06:44.34 | Amarande | oh, cool, goblins can be shamans |
| 06:44.40 | Amarande | guess I shall make one when cata hits :) |
| 06:45.10 | Amarande | I already have eight of the ten classes, was worried for a bit that goblins wouldn't be able to be either of the 2 I don't have yet :) |
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| 06:48.51 | industrial | I wish DK wep enchants worked like the shaman and rogue and warlock ones. Then I could just put one on my BoA axe |
| 06:49.07 | Amarande | industrial: but would you really want to go back to Ebon Hold every hour to re-forge? |
| 06:49.34 | Amarande | besides, that's two fewer enchants I have to pay for, yay |
| 06:49.53 | Amarande | I still haven't tried the boa weapons yet though |
| 06:50.30 | industrial | Amarande: no, without ebon hold ofc. Warlocks make an item to do wep enchants. |
| 06:50.58 | industrial | the boa weapons are less useful to a DK cause you cant runeforge chant them so blue ones around the world are better |
| 06:51.01 | Amarande | oh, that's another issue with rogues |
| 06:51.16 | Amarande | shaman and warlocks don't pay for their tench at all, rogues have to keep buying poisons from a vendor |
| 06:51.41 | Corrodias | :D @ druid |
| 06:51.50 | Corrodias | was a fuzzy lump of love and pain. |
| 06:52.20 | Amarande | industrial: anyway, you're saying you want DK enchants to be *temporary*? |
| 06:52.35 | Amarande | one of the things I <3 about DKs is the fact that we get permanent weapon enchants at no cost |
| 06:52.48 | Amarande | remember, there's always -something- else to spend gold on |
| 06:52.51 | ZorbaBeta | personally I'd be fine just removing the runeforge requirement |
| 06:52.59 | Fisker | lololol |
| 06:52.59 | ZorbaBeta | make it a permanent enchant that you can swap out wherever you want |
| 06:53.57 | ZorbaBeta | also, fix up runeforge enchants in the same way they fixed scopes - just make it require a death knight of the proper level so you can't gimmick it to be overpowered, but allow it to be put on lv1 items. |
| 06:54.11 | Amarande | actually, runeforge enchantments ALREADY require runeforging |
| 06:54.19 | Amarande | if someone linkies you one, it says "Enchantment Requires Runeforging" |
| 06:54.22 | ZorbaBeta | well there you go then |
| 06:54.26 | Amarande | which makes me wonder why they had to make it binding as well |
| 06:54.27 | ZorbaBeta | permit lv1 and be done with it |
| 06:54.37 | Amarande | I've never seen an ilvl minimum on runeforging though |
| 06:54.48 | ZorbaBeta | you can't runeforge BoA weapons |
| 06:54.52 | ZorbaBeta | that's the ilvl minimum :( |
| 06:55.04 | Amarande | Zorba: that's because runeforging soulbinds, and you can't use soulbinding enchants of any sort on BoA |
| 06:55.10 | Fisker | damn hakers hacked splinter cell conviction |
| 06:55.17 | Amarande | I don't think it has to do with ilvl |
| 06:55.18 | ZorbaBeta | that's not true, the 10k honor pvp enchant also soulbinds |
| 06:55.20 | ZorbaBeta | and it works fine on BoA |
| 06:55.38 | Corrodias | hacked, eh |
| 06:55.55 | Amarande | at least, I've never seen anything *non* BoA that refuses runes |
| 06:56.16 | ZorbaBeta | tried lv1 gray weapons? |
| 06:56.17 | Amarande | although I've never tried anything lower level than 50 |
| 06:56.33 | Amarande | 50 being the two Dawn's Edges I made to start off DWing with |
| 06:56.40 | ZorbaBeta | it might be a lv35 BC limit |
| 06:56.53 | Amarande | speaking of which ... Dawn's Edge reminds me of zerker axes from D2 |
| 06:56.57 | Amarande | seems way too small for its power :) |
| 06:57.19 | Amarande | although that could just be blood elf female chibi weapon syndrome |
| 06:59.36 | Amarande | ok ... do I really have enough health for northrend? http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Amarelya |
| 06:59.53 | Amarande | I just keep thinking that HP is a tad low |
| 07:00.05 | ZorbaBeta | wowhead says runeforging requires ilvl 45+ |
| 07:00.52 | ZorbaBeta | if you're planning to tank, it's a bit low. |
| 07:00.54 | Amarande | I'm just thinking of how squishy my warlock was when I hit NR with her, and that was with the aid of a pet |
| 07:00.56 | ZorbaBeta | otherwise, go for it |
| 07:01.42 | ZorbaBeta | I mean hell you can craft yourself a set of northrend greens at 70 |
| 07:01.51 | ZorbaBeta | so do that and you'll be easily good enough |
| 07:04.15 | ZorbaBeta | start with http://www.wowhead.com/itemset=763 upgrade with http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=mystic%20frostwoven |
| 07:04.51 | Amarande | yeah, I was looking at the mystic stuff |
| 07:04.58 | Amarande | the lack of int and stamina on it worries me |
| 07:05.16 | Amarande | I'm going to love cata and its more equalized health across classes |
| 07:05.16 | ZorbaBeta | don't worry about it until it's a problem |
| 07:05.21 | ZorbaBeta | go to northrend and see if you die constantly. |
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| 07:07.23 | Amarande | for now though, I think I'm going to level my rogue and see if I feel more love for her by 20 or so |
| 07:07.45 | Amarande | (besides, the rogue is to be one of my stable of crafters, so she's a keeper) |
| 07:08.06 | Thrae | I let one program fill up my /home drive. No wonder things were acting goofy. |
| 07:08.13 | Thrae | Now a proper quota is set. |
| 07:08.21 | Thrae | Amarande: Don't you have a Feral Druid? |
| 07:08.45 | Amarande | Yeah. Level 23. |
| 07:08.53 | Amarande | He's my leatherworker and skinner. Rogue is my scribe. |
| 07:09.04 | Thrae | Amarande: What do you have past the 20s?! |
| 07:09.08 | Amarande | (well, I should say *one* of my skinners since hte DK is skinner also) |
| 07:09.09 | Corrodias | try out Balance through outland |
| 07:09.17 | Corrodias | it's a blast |
| 07:09.18 | Amarande | Thrae: 62 hunter, 64 DK, 70 priest, 80 lock |
| 07:09.47 | Amarande | then there's my warrior, druid and rogue who haven't gotten enough love yet |
| 07:10.07 | Thrae | Amarande: If your highest is a Lock and second highest a Priest, then DK then Hunter, a Rogue is pretty far in the other direction. |
| 07:10.08 | Amarande | and my mage, who is going to stay a level 1 bankalt for now |
| 07:10.44 | Amarande | I did also reach the low 60s on a protadin on a server I no longer play on |
| 07:10.50 | Amarande | and 41 as a shaman on a server I very rarely play on |
| 07:11.18 | Amarande | ok, I'm not sure why I worry about energy, it seems I can autoattack these things to death |
| 07:11.20 | Thrae | Amarande: Probably a Balance Druid would be your best introduction into a non-DoT class, and you can start the Druid off as Feral. A Feral Druid at Level 20 works mostly like a Rogue. |
| 07:12.02 | Corrodias | i don't recall Balance being that great in pre-BC, was it? although you can wear cloth no problem... |
| 07:12.07 | Thrae | (A Balance Druid has DoTs, but no reliance on them like Lock/SPriest) |
| 07:13.02 | Thrae | Corrodias: Well they've done a lot of re-arranging on the Tier 1 and 2 talents since then. Balance works fine, but like I said, Feral is the easiest way to level up a Druid. |
| 07:13.05 | Corrodias | i recall balance being pretty simple. not too many spells to have to use regularly. root, swarm(?), moonfire, starfire. |
| 07:13.30 | Corrodias | no argument there. at outland, i know it works fine for levelling, because that's what i used. |
| 07:13.41 | Thrae | Corrodias: Uhh, don't forget Wrath ;) Even before Eclipse it definitely has its uses. |
| 07:13.45 | Corrodias | that's right |
| 07:13.59 | Corrodias | that's the one with pushback resistance, so it retains usefulness nicely |
| 07:14.14 | Thrae | Hurricane is also learned around Outlands or before it, I forget...level 40 or 60? |
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| 07:14.17 | Corrodias | as i approached 70 or after being there for a little while, it became apparent that the guild needed at least one more tank, so i switched. |
| 07:14.42 | Corrodias | Hurricane was a very situational spell for me, not a very frequently used one. |
| 07:15.07 | Thrae | With that long cooldown of course its situational ;) |
| 07:15.27 | ZorbaBeta | pretty much every class has DoTs, it's a critical part of their PvP balance |
| 07:16.05 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Sure, but none can DoT 'em up like Locks and SPriests (I would say Affliction Locks win on DoTs) |
| 07:16.13 | ZorbaBeta | also hurricane doesn't have a cooldown :) |
| 07:16.13 | Corrodias | i remember popping a HoT or two, barkskin, and Hurricane, then switching to bear to wait out any survivors while the rest of the group helped mop up. |
| 07:17.03 | ZorbaBeta | my northrend balance leveling was moonfiring a pile of monsters, mashing starfall and barkskin, and hurricaning my own feet |
| 07:17.05 | Amarande | yeah, this is getting a lot more fun since I decided to stop worrying about using the combo points for now |
| 07:17.23 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Oh right, I got it confused with Tranquility. Both of them used to be simple channels. |
| 07:17.24 | ZorbaBeta | with six monsters they'd all die within one cast of hurricane, leaving me at around 40% health |
| 07:17.41 | ZorbaBeta | heal up, repeat (glyphed starfall to give it a 1-minute cooldown) |
| 07:17.51 | Corrodias | sounds cool |
| 07:17.56 | Thrae | Starfall is awesome with the glyphs |
| 07:18.06 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, double-glyphed starfall to make it even more ridiculous |
| 07:18.10 | ZorbaBeta | starfall is a badass spell |
| 07:18.15 | Corrodias | what is it? |
| 07:18.31 | Thrae | One of the reasons I'm building up a 2nd Druid as my 1st Level 80 Alt |
| 07:18.34 | ZorbaBeta | it's basically a passive AoE with a huge range |
| 07:18.37 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=53201 |
| 07:19.29 | Corrodias | nice |
| 07:19.34 | Mr_Rabies | what did they change with tranq/hurricane? last i played they were both channeled |
| 07:19.39 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: I've never actually used Starfall yet (not high enough), is it TAOE or PBAOE? |
| 07:19.54 | ZorbaBeta | thrae, PBAOE |
| 07:19.57 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies: Tranq is channeled but it has like an 8 minute cooldown. Used to be a lot less. |
| 07:20.05 | Amarande | I doubt I"m going to love roguing enough to make me keen on playing the same playstyle on a second character though |
| 07:20.13 | Amarande | which means I probably should be switching to balance on the druid at 40 |
| 07:20.15 | ZorbaBeta | but note the 30-yard range, it will basically hit everything you can see (without the glyph) |
| 07:20.22 | Mr_Rabies | wow that's awful why would they do that |
| 07:20.28 | Mr_Rabies | ohh they made it raidwide? |
| 07:20.31 | ZorbaBeta | rabies, balance |
| 07:20.37 | Corrodias | what did it have before, 2 minutes? |
| 07:20.38 | ZorbaBeta | it's a horrifyingly powerful healing spell |
| 07:20.46 | ZorbaBeta | it'll basically cap the entire 5-man group at max |
| 07:20.47 | Corrodias | it's powerful but it's short |
| 07:20.50 | ZorbaBeta | in cataclysm it'll be raidwide |
| 07:21.00 | Mr_Rabies | yeah but it usually aggrod like hell |
| 07:21.00 | DWSR | It's a shit healing spell. |
| 07:21.03 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Yeah that's what the tooltip says, except it notes "Makes enemy *targets* cause 101 damage to all nearby enemies". I guess this means for each enemy caught in the PBAOE Starfall, an additional 101 damage is caused by each enemy to each other enemy. |
| 07:21.07 | Mr_Rabies | i used it while tanking more than healing |
| 07:21.18 | Thrae | DWSR: Shit or Oh-Shit? |
| 07:21.23 | DWSR | regular kind. |
| 07:21.25 | Mr_Rabies | lose aggro? pop tranq ASAP |
| 07:21.26 | DWSR | Throughput blows. |
| 07:21.33 | ZorbaBeta | thrae, there's little AoEs around each spot where a star hits |
| 07:21.40 | Mr_Rabies | go bear as soon as it looks like it's ready to swing at you again |
| 07:21.48 | ZorbaBeta | so if they're all clustered around you, it's just a hilarious number spam of damage |
| 07:21.57 | Corrodias | Mr_Rabies: tanks with group heals = fuck yeah |
| 07:21.58 | DWSR | Mr_Rabies: Or, don't be a bad and keep threat. :P |
| 07:22.02 | DWSR | anyway, I'm out. |
| 07:22.03 | DWSR | Night all. |
| 07:22.04 | Mr_Rabies | hey man |
| 07:22.06 | Mr_Rabies | hunters can be dumb |
| 07:22.09 | Mr_Rabies | also mages |
| 07:22.26 | Mr_Rabies | also this was when bear threat generation was somewhat lacking |
| 07:22.30 | Thrae | DWSR: Yeah, it would be better if it just had like a max # of healed targets to 5 and be party AND raid too. |
| 07:22.58 | Wobin | druids, as a rule |
| 07:23.12 | Wobin | never completely understand how -wide- 75 yards is. |
| 07:23.18 | Wobin | Until they cast starfall in an instance |
| 07:23.24 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 07:23.37 | ZorbaBeta | yeah there's more than a few points where you can pull bosses at unexpected points |
| 07:23.50 | Mr_Rabies | wasn't starfall a priestess spell or something in wc3 |
| 07:23.54 | ZorbaBeta | you are almost guaranteed to pull another pack of trash or two unless you know what you're doing |
| 07:24.08 | Wobin | My first lesson in judging distance |
| 07:24.21 | Wobin | was when I pulled the entire platform of alchemists in Heroic Botanica =P |
| 07:24.36 | Corrodias | "RUUUUUUUUUUUN" |
| 07:25.16 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 07:25.23 | Mr_Rabies | starfall is a priestess of the moon ultimate |
| 07:25.55 | Mr_Rabies | what was the NE priest racial called again? |
| 07:26.25 | Wobin | moonfire? moonburn? |
| 07:26.27 | Corrodias | starfire maybe? |
| 07:26.28 | Wobin | starburn? |
| 07:26.30 | Corrodias | moonfall? |
| 07:26.30 | Wobin | starfall? |
| 07:26.39 | Wobin | fallburn? |
| 07:26.42 | Corrodias | 24 HOURS REMAIN |
| 07:27.15 | Wobin | Elune's Grace |
| 07:27.23 | Mr_Rabies | starshards |
| 07:27.24 | Mr_Rabies | there we go |
| 07:27.34 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.wowwiki.com/Starshards |
| 07:27.44 | Mr_Rabies | then they gave starfall to druids instead of priests D: |
| 07:28.20 | zenzelezz | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/ssotd/#latest - did they heavily update the graphics for Cataclysm? o_O |
| 07:28.36 | Corrodias | then they must give priests moonshards |
| 07:28.53 | Thrae | Well, it was traditionally the Priestess of the Moon that did Starfall, and they generally give Night Elvan Hero powers to Druids (except the Hunter-specific ones). |
| 07:29.06 | Mr_Rabies | shiiit |
| 07:29.08 | Mr_Rabies | dat water |
| 07:29.43 | Mr_Rabies | i guess since priest racials went out the door that makes sense thrae |
| 07:30.08 | Mr_Rabies | since druids are more representative of night elven lore |
| 07:30.41 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies: Yeah, the normal racials are quickly becoming good enough now to make class/race combinations much more unique. |
| 07:30.53 | Mr_Rabies | that's good |
| 07:31.04 | Mr_Rabies | racials kinda sucked except for certain ones |
| 07:31.06 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies: You've seen the new Troll racials, right? |
| 07:31.19 | Mr_Rabies | people play trolls now?! |
| 07:31.19 | Corrodias | warstomp, stomp down this wall |
| 07:32.40 | Mr_Rabies | Mr. Gorbachev, stomp down this wall |
| 07:32.50 | Corrodias | was he a tauren? |
| 07:33.12 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies: +10% Health Regeneration during combat, duration of all <100% snares reduced by 15%, Berserking ability now a flat 20% bonus to casting/attack speed for 10 seconds every 3 minutes. |
| 07:33.43 | zenzelezz | isn't a 100% snare typically called a "root"? |
| 07:33.59 | Corrodias | i remember popping trinkets and berserking on my hunter. i called it the "holy shit i can't keep up" mode. |
| 07:34.10 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Yes, but some people are sticklers |
| 07:34.16 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 07:34.23 | Corrodias | wait, berserking... and BW |
| 07:34.34 | Mr_Rabies | my orc shaman had a hyper mode |
| 07:34.39 | zenzelezz | Thrae: point taken |
| 07:34.52 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Also there were some games (not WoW AFAIK) where a <100% snare effect could get up to 100% by stacking the debuff. |
| 07:34.52 | Amarande | I always forget to use my non-passive racials :( |
| 07:34.54 | Mr_Rabies | pop my trinkets, totems, racial etc |
| 07:35.03 | Corrodias | god i loved shamans |
| 07:35.03 | Mr_Rabies | had like 1600 AP at level 45 |
| 07:35.07 | Mr_Rabies | for like 10 seconds |
| 07:35.32 | zenzelezz | Thrae: hm, haven't seen that in any I've played... that would be a potentially cool mechanic |
| 07:35.50 | Thrae | zenzelezz: I think WoW is limited to 99% but that's "just as well be rooted", heh |
| 07:36.04 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 07:36.39 | zenzelezz | forces his NCU to run Master Escapologist |
| 07:37.48 | Mr_Rabies | have they announced worgen racials yet |
| 07:38.22 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies: Speaking of Druids, people were puzzled why I picked a +84 Str/+96 Stamina 1 Socket +Crit/+Haste iLevel 251 as a Tanking Druid over the +64 Str/+100 Stamina +Def/+Dodge/+Parry ilevel 232 (H-HoR) Choker Neck I was wearing. |
| 07:39.00 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even know how the stats work anymore :[ |
| 07:39.09 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies: Specifically no one else wanted it, and *only* losing 0.69% dodge for +20 Stam +20 Str +Crit/+Haste seemed fine to me. |
| 07:39.32 | Thrae | (Socketed with Solid Zircon of course) |
| 07:39.33 | Mr_Rabies | when i played it was 1 str = 2ap, 1 agi = 1 ap (cat only) |
| 07:39.51 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies: Still the same... |
| 07:39.54 | Corrodias | agility was the shit, but str was no slouch. |
| 07:40.05 | Mr_Rabies | i heard they were making it just agi or something for cat |
| 07:40.09 | Mr_Rabies | i'm so out of the loop |
| 07:40.10 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
| 07:40.20 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies: But now you also have to consider Savage Defense, which a) activates on crits, and b) has an absorb of 25% of your attack power |
| 07:40.20 | Mr_Rabies | i don't have time anymore :( |
| 07:40.22 | Mr_Rabies | i wish i did |
| 07:40.36 | Mr_Rabies | but yeah |
| 07:40.40 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies: Cats have the same AP equation for Str/Agi as Rogues, AFAIK |
| 07:40.47 | Mr_Rabies | 200hp is NOT worth losing that much dodge |
| 07:40.51 | Corrodias | Thrae: so it's better with more agi for crit... and better with more str for AP. so once again it's the combination! |
| 07:40.56 | Mr_Rabies | rogues used to be 1ap for str or agi |
| 07:41.08 | Mr_Rabies | but agi added crit etc |
| 07:41.24 | zenzelezz | doesn't a bear get much more than 200 HP out of 20 stamina? |
| 07:41.27 | Mr_Rabies | so str was mostly unncessary |
| 07:41.36 | Mr_Rabies | i think? |
| 07:41.49 | Corrodias | for rogues? i think it was definitely inferior |
| 07:41.49 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i think with talents it's a bit more |
| 07:42.05 | Mr_Rabies | but still, not worth losing that much dodge |
| 07:42.22 | Corrodias | besides, going to bear form gets you a % HP boost anyway |
| 07:42.29 | Corrodias | which means that the 20 probably counts for even more |
| 07:42.32 | ZorbaBeta | yeah thrae, I'm not convinced that's a real plus for you |
| 07:42.43 | Mr_Rabies | i can't theorycraft anymore |
| 07:42.50 | ZorbaBeta | you get a good chunk of stam, and you get the druid equivalent of shield block rating |
| 07:43.06 | Mr_Rabies | i've forgotten more about how to play a druid than 99% of people knew when i played |
| 07:43.11 | ZorbaBeta | on the other hand that's not very *much* block, and block is kind of crummy in general |
| 07:43.13 | Mr_Rabies | :[ |
| 07:43.34 | Amarande | ok, what *is* it about Aquantion that makes him tend to kill most classes? |
| 07:43.44 | Mr_Rabies | wait druids can block now |
| 07:43.46 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
| 07:43.47 | ZorbaBeta | you lose a mammoth amount of dodge, though, and for all I like to say that stam > *, losing that much dodge for a relatively small amount of stam might not be worthwhile. |
| 07:43.47 | Amarande | was that a quest that Blizzard maybe meant to be group and then changed their mind at the last minute without doing a full rebalance? |
| 07:43.55 | ZorbaBeta | rabies, savage defense is basically druid block |
| 07:44.09 | ZorbaBeta | it's not technically a block but mechanics-wise it acts the same, except ap = block value and crit = block rating |
| 07:44.15 | ZorbaBeta | (okay vaguely the same) |
| 07:44.18 | Corrodias | "mammoth amount of dodge" = 0.69 %? |
| 07:44.27 | Mr_Rabies | huh |
| 07:44.29 | Mr_Rabies | that is awesome |
| 07:44.33 | Mr_Rabies | i want to play so much |
| 07:44.35 | Corrodias | that's a good amount, but it's not mammoth. unless dodge has gotten way higher in wrath. |
| 07:44.36 | Mr_Rabies | but i don't have time anymore |
| 07:44.39 | ZorbaBeta | corrodias, I don't know if that includes the +def dodge also, as well as the +def hit reduction. but yes, that's quite a lot of it |
| 07:44.47 | ZorbaBeta | in return for, what, 200hp? |
| 07:44.52 | Mr_Rabies | my druid still has stormrage helm for healing laffo |
| 07:44.58 | Mr_Rabies | i never really bothered upgrading my healing gear |
| 07:45.06 | Mr_Rabies | been there, done that, got the moose antlers |
| 07:45.12 | Amarande | it's a level 13 quest, but I don't think I've EVER had a character have anywhere remotely near an easy time with it |
| 07:45.23 | Amarande | and by "not anywhere near a remotely easy" time, I don't think I've ever had a character not die at least once :P |
| 07:45.25 | Corrodias | a .70% difference is like a 1.5% difference in the inverse of the percentage of dodge i typically had |
| 07:45.46 | Corrodias | that can't be right... |
| 07:46.07 | zenzelezz | Amarande: which was that... the water elemental thing in Barrens south of Ratchet? |
| 07:46.24 | Corrodias | a 1.08% difference. 0.70/65 |
| 07:46.45 | mikma | The next chapter of the Bat Man franchise has an official release date: July 20, 2012. |
| 07:46.58 | Corrodias | not what i'd call massive, if i get hit for about 1% more damage on average than before. |
| 07:47.17 | Amarande | zenzelezz: the green summoned water elemental in Ghostlands |
| 07:47.26 | Amarande | who actually subjects themselves to the pain of the Barrens anymore? :) |
| 07:47.27 | ZorbaBeta | corrodias, it's massive relative to 200 HP |
| 07:47.54 | ZorbaBeta | also I'm not convinced it factors in the +def bonuses |
| 07:47.58 | Amarande | apparently has about 500 HP, deals armor ignoring damage (because it's elemental), cannot have his casts interrupted ... |
| 07:48.14 | zenzelezz | Amarande: I haven't been a (lowbie) horde for a very long time |
| 07:48.14 | Amarande | this guy is basically an elite in all but name, WHY is it not a group quest |
| 07:48.31 | Thrae | +20 Stamina (not raid-buffed) is actually 20*1.25*1.10*1.06*1.02 for Feral Tanks, or +29 (floor). The Strength also gets an 8% bonus too, again outside raid buffs. Now also considering my Crit is increased with this new Choker, we have to consider the Savage Defense angle. |
| 07:48.31 | Amarande | we'll note that, for instance, the quest to kill Grillok in Hellfire is made a bloody G2, even though HE'S NOT EVEN ELITE |
| 07:49.08 | Amarande | seriously. I have more problems with things like the level 11 elite spider and this level 13 guy |
| 07:49.14 | Amarande | than I do soloing the elite flayer on that hellfire quest |
| 07:49.46 | ZorbaBeta | that said, a plate dps neck is definitely worse than a non-plate physical dps neck would be, and that would far more likely be an upgrade from a tanking neck :) |
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| 07:51.26 | Amarande | yay, he goes down |
| 07:51.29 | Amarande | on the *third try* |
| 07:51.40 | zenzelezz | most women have to try much longer |
| 07:51.40 | Amarande | like I said ... three tries for a simple level 13 non-group quest |
| 07:53.01 | Amarande | I never have NEARLY that much trouble with ANY other quest in ghostlands |
| 07:53.16 | Amarande | except for ones that involve elites, are the escort, or are the ones in Deatholme with its sick monster density |
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| 07:54.52 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: I didn't say it was a good upgrade, but I think it is an upgrade w/ a Solid Zircon none-the-less. I get +290 or more maximum Health as well as +50 AP (unbuffed) which increases SD by 12.5. The extra crit also helps with both SD and Rage generation. |
| 07:55.42 | Amarande | although mages and melee probably should have more trouble with the elemental than anyone else |
| 07:55.48 | Amarande | melee because elementals tend to ignore armor with their white hits |
| 07:55.55 | Amarande | (because said 'white' hits are actually elemental damage) |
| 07:56.04 | Amarande | mages because your only good spells at that level are frost and he's immune |
| 07:56.10 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: While Dodge is always nice, only maybe one boss has high melee/physical attacks in ICC |
| 07:56.27 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Which is partly why all Tanks can withstand the Dodge debuff |
| 07:56.31 | ZorbaBeta | thrae, honestly, I feel like SD is a red herring. You're basically looking at 290hp vs. dodge/miss |
| 07:56.52 | ZorbaBeta | the AP/crit/haste mostly don't factor into anything |
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| 07:57.31 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: What? SD doesn't have 100% uptime unless you have 100% crit (and you never miss). Savage Defense is like Block and Parry rolled into one for Bears. |
| 07:58.03 | ZorbaBeta | SD is like block, and in boss battles, block sucks for everyone except paladins |
| 07:58.06 | Thrae | Except, of course, the actual Block and Parry ratings have nothing to do with Savage Defense, unfortunately. |
| 07:58.07 | ZorbaBeta | and it kind of sucks for them too :) |
| 07:58.31 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc-LvWKwh2U |
| 07:58.40 | ZorbaBeta | block is just not very good right now, it's reasonably uncommon and not much of a protection against being bursted down by the RNG |
| 07:59.13 | ZorbaBeta | tanks in Wrath tend to not have problems with sheer survivability - the question isn't whether your healers slowly get overwhelmed by the tide of incoming damage, it's whether you just die before they can instaheal you back up to full again. |
| 07:59.16 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Not really, since SD is an Absorb that activates when the Tank attacks instead of reacting to an attack (and a specific school of attack). That Absorb can be used for more than just what its reacting to, like the all-powerful Magic damage. |
| 07:59.57 | ZorbaBeta | But it's still not predictable. Yes, it eats damage, but it doesn't really eat that *much* damage, and it's rare enough that it's near-guaranteed to not occur in the situations where you really need it |
| 08:00.08 | Amarande | hey, when do I start seeing junkboxes in pickpocket loot, btw? |
| 08:00.10 | Corrodias | a bear is attacking how many times per second? 2 or 3? |
| 08:00.13 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Wait, that's not right...Savage Defense is physical-only. But it's still better than Block. |
| 08:00.47 | Corrodias | assuming a single enemy, otherwise swipe would count several times |
| 08:00.52 | ZorbaBeta | corrodias, definitely not that often (well, barring swipe) |
| 08:01.29 | ZorbaBeta | the base attack speed is 2.5s |
| 08:01.30 | Corrodias | you're right, it's probably 1.5 times per second |
| 08:01.47 | Amarande | "It is actually possible to loot a Battered Junkbox within another Battered Junkbox." LOL |
| 08:01.49 | Corrodias | either that or i'm fast-forwarding footage in my memory |
| 08:01.52 | ZorbaBeta | I'd say 1-1.5/sec, yeah |
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| 08:02.15 | ZorbaBeta | you'll reduce it a ways down through haste and buffs, so maybe 1.5s for the base attack, plus GCD of 1.5s |
| 08:02.18 | Amarande | aright, now I am starting to get used to rogue style for real |
| 08:02.20 | ZorbaBeta | so two attacks every 1.5s, approximately. |
| 08:02.36 | Amarande | although my DK will probably always be my first love when it comes to melee DPS |
| 08:02.38 | Corrodias | cool |
| 08:02.51 | Thrae | True, but I happen to have some Haste on my Bear as Feral itemization still isn't perfect |
| 08:03.15 | Xyphoid | on http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_CheckButton, what is the significance of the 4th argument to createframe there |
| 08:03.24 | Thrae | If I could trade all my Haste for Expertise and/or Hit that'd be cool. |
| 08:03.51 | Wobin | FastBare is FAST |
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| 08:04.19 | zenzelezz | Wobin: you forgot a LOL!! |
| 08:04.38 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Maybe I should check druidspaces.... |
| 08:04.56 | zenzelezz | is that MySpace for druids? |
| 08:05.22 | Thrae | http://druid.wikispaces.com/ <-- I call it "druidspaces" in my head |
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| 08:07.48 | Thrae | Hmmm they only have an Avoidance calculator |
| 08:07.54 | Thrae | I shall use the all-power RAWR |
| 08:09.57 | Thrae | Oh wait, there's a Tank Optimizer |
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| 08:10.50 | Torhal | Sick. All of the Warlock data is from 2007 |
| 08:13.18 | Thrae | Interesting, I never thought about http://www.wowhead.com/item=45821 being better than http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50310 for Feral Tanks |
| 08:13.34 | Xyphoid | so i'm making checkboxes, and they seem to have a hotspot that's as wide as their tooltip. so if i have [] [ ] clicking on the text area ends up clicking on the checkbox. |
| 08:16.08 | Wobin | Thrae, bears can't parry? |
| 08:16.37 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Well according to druid.wikispaces.com's Bear Gear Calculator, even the Heroic version ( http://www.wowhead.com/?item=51842 ) is still not as good as Shard of the Crystal Forest ( http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45821 ), Epic gems included |
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| 08:17.07 | Thrae | Wobin: Very true, but I keep forgetting pre-Triumph stuff exists ;) And Wowhead's calculator for best gear never showed it. |
| 08:17.07 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 08:17.19 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I can believe that. crit is a pretty crummy tanking stat. for druids, defense is also crummy, but dodge is good |
| 08:18.29 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Well according to this caculator, Strength isn't that hot either (for Tanking), and this one has Hit instead of Parry which is nice since I'm far from hit-capped. |
| 08:19.00 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, strength is pretty crummy for druids |
| 08:19.10 | Wobin | poor druids =( |
| 08:19.12 | ZorbaBeta | agi would be a whole lot better ;) |
| 08:19.28 | Wobin | their most powerful attack is "Odour of Wet Bear" |
| 08:19.47 | Amarande | dammit. nobody to help me with the elite. :S |
| 08:19.51 | Wobin | agi on a tanking item? lol |
| 08:19.56 | Amarande | only one on in guild AND in zone |
| 08:20.08 | Amarande | Wobin: welcome to the wonderful world of being a death knight lol |
| 08:20.15 | Amarande | pre-80 anyway |
| 08:20.21 | Thrae | Wobin: Mostly makes sense for Druids ;) |
| 08:21.06 | mikma | wobin: http://www.riemurasia.net/kaatopaikka/go.php?id=20250 |
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| 08:22.06 | Thrae | Great. One part of my oUF implementation I've been trying to get works now works and another part does not. |
| 08:22.54 | Torhal | Xyphoid: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetHitRectInsets |
| 08:23.38 | Xyphoid | thanks |
| 08:24.35 | Thrae | Whoops, found an error on my part (of course) |
| 08:28.32 | Amarande | Thrae: don't worry, fixing the broken part will break the one that works now |
| 08:28.59 | Xyphoid | neat, for some reason these checkboxes have the right inset of -150 |
| 08:29.43 | Xyphoid | that was perfect, thanks |
| 08:46.31 | Fisker | Thrae |
| 08:47.59 | Xyphoid | woo i think this is releasable finally |
| 08:50.03 | Torhal | :D |
| 08:51.09 | ZorbaBeta | writing a program to automatically generate lua bindings is somewhat painful. |
| 08:52.39 | zenzelezz | lua bindings of the Windseeker! |
| 08:53.12 | industrial | >_> |
| 08:53.32 | Fisker | fucking magnets how do they work? |
| 08:53.54 | industrial | Fisker: magnets are not for fucking. |
| 08:54.25 | Fisker | fucking magnets are |
| 08:54.44 | Amarande | evil is not a toy |
| 08:56.56 | zenzelezz | Fisker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnets |
| 08:57.31 | Fisker | i don't want to talk to a scientist zenzelezz |
| 08:57.36 | Fisker | they're all lying and getting me pissed |
| 08:58.02 | zenzelezz | Fisker: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet |
| 09:00.29 | zenzelezz | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/04/30/demotivational-posters-anaslex/ |
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| 09:02.17 | Fisker | still getting pissed zenzelezz |
| 09:02.49 | Thrae | Fisker: What's your beef? |
| 09:03.10 | Fisker | your mom? |
| 09:03.40 | Thrae | Fisker: No wonder you got banned from whatever ;) |
| 09:04.01 | Fisker | i'm not banned from whatever |
| 09:13.29 | mikma | http://www.riemurasia.net/kaatopaikka/go.php?id=19982 |
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| 09:25.09 | mikma | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ut2djuT8OYk/S8yZ-pBY14I/AAAAAAAAVcg/Hd4bV514H68/s640/129093803025045787.jpg |
| 09:27.30 | Fisker | god damn console n00bs |
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| 09:28.35 | harl | wuff |
| 09:28.59 | Fisker | no harl |
| 09:29.01 | Fisker | bad dog |
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| 09:46.30 | mikma | http://www.lazypalace.com/img/bizarre-and-odd/funny-tombstones/funny-tombstones03.jpg |
| 09:48.32 | Sixen | lol |
| 09:52.15 | mikma | http://packed.com/games/the-nutcracker |
| 09:58.55 | Grum | mikma: any goal to that game? ;D |
| 10:04.32 | foxlit | no |
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| 10:16.35 | mikma | grum: yes, have fun :D |
| 10:16.52 | Grum | mikma:( |
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| 10:26.29 | Sixen | alright, I gotta go to sleep guys. 3:30. |
| 10:26.50 | Sixen | and you aren't #sc2mapster ! |
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| 11:32.06 | foxlit | Foiled by a semicolon. |
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| 11:38.55 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:39.39 | Adys | Maldivia: ping |
| 11:49.56 | mikma | http://store.valvesoftware.com/productshowcase/productshowcase_L4D2-BoomerPlush.html |
| 12:04.38 | Maldivia | pong |
| 12:04.56 | Maldivia | Adys: what's up? |
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| 12:08.02 | ZorbaBeta | mikma, oh man, that is adorable |
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| 13:42.45 | Fisker | lol |
| 13:42.55 | Fisker | cleared all the way to blood queen and i didn't use hunter's mark or trueshot aura once |
| 13:46.57 | cbreak | I've never used either of those spells in my whole life as mage. |
| 13:48.42 | msoul | I've still haven't got to LK |
| 13:48.56 | msoul | up to sindragosa with plethora of fails |
| 13:49.18 | msoul | the aweful pugs and lack of good guild that recruit war/dk decided to freeze my acc |
| 13:49.27 | msoul | and i should never look back |
| 13:56.41 | msoul | are US realms have the same crappy stuff as EU realms? |
| 13:57.05 | msoul | spam on trade chats players wants you to carry them and the like |
| 13:57.19 | A-KO | msoul: Unless you're a tank, nobody wants you, fact of life |
| 13:57.21 | A-KO | DPS is a dime a dozen |
| 13:57.28 | A-KO | and unless you can seroiusly prove your DPS |
| 14:00.54 | msoul | yeah tank/dps on the war and dps on the dk |
| 14:01.16 | msoul | i now do regret now leveling up a paladin |
| 14:01.23 | msoul | s/not/not |
| 14:02.24 | msoul | i don't mean to brag but i never got off the top 3-5 dps when i do 25 man raids |
| 14:03.01 | msoul | on the dk... the warrior isn't fully geared for dpsing yet |
| 14:03.44 | Fisker | tanks are a dime a dozen |
| 14:04.05 | msoul | so either healer or casting class mage/lock etc |
| 14:07.30 | msoul | here is what made me decide not to continue with wow |
| 14:07.46 | msoul | i play mainly on the warrior lately "got him to lvl 80 about a month" |
| 14:08.08 | msoul | so on the dk i just do daily heroic voa and icc25 if i am up for it |
| 14:08.33 | msoul | so i saw this on trade chat "we're doing hm icc10 from queen and up" need dk and few other classes |
| 14:09.29 | msoul | long story short, got in did queen and vanquisher dropped and i rolled.. he saved me to the instance and yet he tells me "sorry dk i can't give you the vanquisher" our druid wanted to get for a long time |
| 14:09.51 | msoul | if the other raiders didn't mock him to death he wouldn't pass it to me cause he sensed everyone will leave |
| 14:10.02 | msoul | same with the belt from rotface |
| 14:10.45 | msoul | players like that makes me sick. and top notch guilds are full of tanks/dks and wouldn't recruit you unless you're from another top notch guild |
| 14:11.11 | msoul | i.e. last resort players when they disbanded they got to slashcry and misanthrope 2 top guilds on the realm |
| 14:20.05 | eidolarr | you live a tough life |
| 14:20.44 | msoul | you mean i had spare time and wasted it on wow |
| 14:23.25 | ZorbaBeta | that just means you're trying to get into the wrong guilds, really |
| 14:23.59 | ZorbaBeta | if you can show you're competent, a good guild will give you a try and gear you up if needed. |
| 14:24.13 | cbreak | unless they are full |
| 14:24.31 | cbreak | my guild currently has 3 to 5 tanks per raid... and only 10 dps or so :( |
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| 14:24.41 | cbreak | people get bored of the game fast :( |
| 14:24.51 | msoul | ZorbaBeta: never asked anyone to help me gear up really... |
| 14:25.02 | ZorbaBeta | then if you need to, switch to DPS. but tanks are almost always in shorter supply |
| 14:26.18 | msoul | i can switch to dps easily |
| 14:27.15 | msoul | not sure if i understood you |
| 14:27.23 | ZorbaBeta | I was replying to cbreak there :) |
| 14:27.35 | msoul | so your point is be guildless, do voa25 toc25 or whatever raid then wait for a call from this guild or that? |
| 14:27.39 | ZorbaBeta | I don't know what class you are, but you've got at least 2/3 of the roles covered |
| 14:27.46 | ZorbaBeta | (snarky 2/4 paladin healer joke here) |
| 14:27.50 | ZorbaBeta | don't wait, they'll never call you, ever |
| 14:27.54 | ZorbaBeta | find a guild you want to join, go apply |
| 14:28.02 | msoul | warrior tank/dps. dk dps whatever spec frost/unholy/blood |
| 14:28.23 | ZorbaBeta | by "want to join", I don't just mean "highly ranked", I mean "guild that you seem to enjoy the philosophy of". |
| 14:28.28 | msoul | asked few they're full of tanks |
| 14:28.38 | msoul | yes |
| 14:28.58 | ZorbaBeta | ask more, or switch to dps |
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| 14:29.52 | msoul | think i will craft the feet for the warrior. out of gold 10k is what i have :/ |
| 14:30.02 | msoul | primordial are still 1k |
| 14:30.20 | ZorbaBeta | apply as tank/dps, show that you know what you're doing, get into pugs when you can, practice your skills |
| 14:30.38 | msoul | doing that to be honest |
| 14:30.45 | msoul | trying my new spec even now as a tank |
| 14:31.11 | msoul | warrior tank as 5/15/51 |
| 14:33.07 | msoul | i get your point ZorbaBeta, again i don't want a guild that carries me with gear etc i just want to be a part of a progressing guild |
| 14:33.25 | msoul | a guild that doesn't say "don't flask/no fishfeast" on sindragosa fight |
| 14:33.30 | ZorbaBeta | every guild is a progressing guild, some are just better at progressing than other. get into a reasonably good one first, then move up |
| 14:33.33 | msoul | i wantyed to /wrist when i heard that |
| 14:33.46 | msoul | ZorbaBeta: tough road |
| 14:34.00 | msoul | you're right |
| 14:34.20 | ZorbaBeta | seriously, gotta start somewhere. even if it's just to improve your own skills. |
| 14:35.25 | msoul | i did that with 4 guilds on horde side already switched factions hoped things are better on the allies side |
| 14:36.33 | msoul | this guild now everyone has 3-5 chars and what i noticed "friends" with a core group do icc10 up to sindragosa then alts that selects good geared ppl to carry them |
| 14:36.41 | msoul | which what pissed me off most |
| 14:37.04 | msoul | not to mention the other stuff... anyway i get your point |
| 14:37.54 | Kalroth | uhm, most progression guilds got a core like that (in my experience) |
| 14:38.24 | Kalroth | even the high-end guilds got some really good players and some not-so-good players |
| 14:38.30 | msoul | I don't call this guild a progressing guild |
| 14:38.44 | Kalroth | oh |
| 14:39.12 | msoul | a progressing guild means you're fully aware of the encounter. last week i spent 30 minutes infront of the screen listening to him explaining the fight to his friends who has never done it |
| 14:39.16 | msoul | so friends carries friends |
| 14:39.18 | msoul | + |
| 14:39.29 | msoul | none have flasks everyone whine it's so expensive |
| 14:39.44 | msoul | none has their own food everyone wants "someone" to bring fishfeast |
| 14:39.48 | msoul | none has pots |
| 14:39.54 | Kalroth | yeah okay, that isn't a progression guild :) |
| 14:40.01 | msoul | Again I do not mean to brag nor anything like it |
| 14:40.22 | msoul | I have pots for tanking and dpsing/flasks for both specs.. pots ind and pot of speed |
| 14:40.38 | msoul | food for str and arp... and food for my pet "on the dk" |
| 14:41.10 | msoul | I expect others to do the same or atleast flask up. elixir even |
| 14:41.22 | msoul | Read the encounter, watch tankspot |
| 14:41.30 | msoul | ask in gchat before the raid |
| 14:41.36 | Kalroth | dont expect anything from the others unless you're an officer or raid leader |
| 14:41.52 | msoul | i don't expect you to spent 30 minutes infront of blood queen listening to me explaining the fight to my friends |
| 14:42.30 | msoul | i mean have some decency for crying out loud :( |
| 14:42.33 | Kalroth | do some basic research before you apply and ask more questions in your application |
| 14:42.42 | msoul | Hmmm |
| 14:43.03 | Kalroth | treat joining a guild like doing an encounter, dont just join without having done the basic research :p |
| 14:43.16 | msoul | hehe |
| 14:44.36 | Kalroth | my guild has a simple "no consumeable/preparation, no raid spot" rule :) |
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| 15:35.05 | amro | ~poke Shirik |
| 15:35.06 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 15:35.14 | Shirik | wat u wan |
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| 16:00.55 | Cairenn | what a funky idea: http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/various/fishsink.jpg |
| 16:02.47 | MatthewWW | Can anyone point me to a tutorial for SavedVariables? I have a huge table that updates in my addon and I don't want it to reset every time the player stops playing for a day or two |
| 16:05.04 | jnwhiteh | there's a chapter in the book that covers it |
| 16:05.10 | jnwhiteh | but all you have to do is make it a global variable |
| 16:05.19 | jnwhiteh | declare it in the #SavedVariables section of your .toc file |
| 16:05.31 | jnwhiteh | and respond to the events properly so you know when the variables have been loaded |
| 16:05.46 | jnwhiteh | i.e. respond to the ADDON_LOADED event with your addon name as the first argument. |
| 16:08.03 | Shirik | omg awesome Cairenn |
| 16:09.24 | Cairenn | there were a couple other funky ones, but I liked that one best |
| 16:09.38 | Cairenn | one, it was the tank on a toilet |
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| 16:09.54 | Cairenn | another it was the "screen" on an old-style TV |
| 16:10.51 | Cairenn | but I thought the sink was just brilliant |
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| 16:19.30 | Flw | ~interface addons |
| 16:19.42 | Flw | ~wiki interface settings |
| 16:20.18 | Flw | is there any guide about adding my addon settings into interface-addons tab? |
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| 16:35.27 | jnwhiteh | Flw: it wouldn't be on wikipedia if it was... |
| 16:35.39 | jnwhiteh | the documentation is all in FrameXML |
| 16:36.00 | Flw | dont know commands for bot |
| 16:36.05 | jnwhiteh | don't use the bot |
| 16:36.06 | jnwhiteh | use your brain |
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| 16:36.20 | jnwhiteh | http://tinyurl.com/2barhzb |
| 16:36.22 | Flw | found it on wowwiki |
| 16:36.25 | jnwhiteh | first result. |
| 16:37.22 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
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| 16:40.29 | Fisker | oh well then i hate you :( |
| 16:42.06 | Shirik | ohi Fisker |
| 16:42.59 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:43.03 | Fisker | though not really |
| 16:45.39 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:46.12 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 16:46.15 | Fisker | look at the awesome AI |
| 16:46.17 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uieh_3Fl8x4 |
| 16:50.01 | Legorol | Fisker: i don't understand. is the AI in there good or bad? |
| 16:50.11 | Shirik | what was I watching? |
| 16:50.17 | Legorol | ie. was your comment genuine appreciation or an expression of sarcasm |
| 16:50.19 | Shirik | someone that doesn't know how to play splinter cell? |
| 16:51.52 | Shirik | yeah I don't know what I'm watching other than "lol I shot this guy in the foot and then he came after me" :( |
| 16:54.20 | Shirik | why is all the best metal sweedish or finnish? |
| 16:54.45 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: that's just how it is :> |
| 16:54.51 | amro | they use sunsilk |
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| 17:01.45 | Fisker | naw Shirik |
| 17:01.50 | Shirik | naw Fisker |
| 17:01.58 | Fisker | if you hit an object they go like "HOLY SHIT" etc. |
| 17:02.03 | Fisker | that was the point |
| 17:02.15 | Fisker | also that they're rushing a door they should know i would kick in for the free kill |
| 17:02.56 | MatthewWW | @jnwhiteh: So if I load the variable using ADDON_LOADED event, .. this will work even if the game is closed? |
| 17:03.08 | Fisker | also if you noticed the ruckus wasn't because i killed the guard, but because i hit the window |
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| 17:11.49 | MatthewWW | Can someone tell me why this is bringing an error? |
| 17:12.12 | MatthewWW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.27 | Adys | .. and the error is? |
| 17:14.03 | MatthewWW | An error that I'm using GetItemInfo improperly |
| 17:14.22 | Adys | can you paste the error.. |
| 17:14.42 | MatthewWW | yep |
| 17:14.55 | MatthewWW | second.. have to trigger it again |
| 17:14.57 | Shirik | ~wiki Talk:Rapture dreams |
| 17:15.23 | Adys | hey check this out |
| 17:15.25 | Adys | no infobox spam |
| 17:15.34 | Adys | ~infobox |
| 17:15.40 | MatthewWW | .\AddOns\WOWJit\WoWJIT.lua line 420: |
| 17:15.40 | MatthewWW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.42 | MatthewWW | is the error |
| 17:15.49 | Shirik | WOWJIT? |
| 17:16.02 | Shirik | how the hell can we have a JIT? |
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| 17:16.11 | MatthewWW | It's an acronym |
| 17:16.19 | Shirik | yes, "Just In Time" |
| 17:16.20 | MatthewWW | for World Of Warcraft: Just In Time Instruction module |
| 17:16.32 | Shirik | how did you manage to do that |
| 17:16.42 | Alram | i dont think its the JIT you are thinking about Shirik |
| 17:16.53 | Adys | !api getcontaineritemlink |
| 17:16.54 | Shirik | I would hope so |
| 17:16.54 | lua_bot | GetContainerItemLink: Returns a hyperlink for an item in the player's bags (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetContainerItemLink) |
| 17:17.09 | MatthewWW | http://pastey.net/135944 ? |
| 17:17.25 | MatthewWW | I'm referring to the "just in time" found in cognitive apprenticeship in cognitive psychology |
| 17:17.31 | Alram | ah |
| 17:17.37 | Shirik | ok |
| 17:17.41 | MatthewWW | Any thoughts on that error, Adys? |
| 17:17.43 | Shirik | JIT actually means something in computer science as well |
| 17:18.19 | Adys | MatthewWW: it sounds wrong |
| 17:18.31 | Shirik | anyway, the most likely reason for that errir is that `link` is nil, MatthewWW |
| 17:18.38 | Shirik | which means GetContainerItemLink() returned nil |
| 17:18.40 | Adys | thats what i was thinking too but |
| 17:18.44 | Adys | how is that possible? |
| 17:18.57 | Adys | doesnt g.. oh |
| 17:19.00 | Adys | yeah |
| 17:19.20 | Shirik | do we really start at bag 0? |
| 17:19.27 | Shirik | I don't do much with inventory so I don't know |
| 17:19.41 | Adys | where does it say we do? |
| 17:19.53 | Adys | Im an idiot; MatthewWW check for link existance before you use getiteminfo |
| 17:19.55 | Shirik | well he's doing a for loop 0-4 |
| 17:20.04 | Adys | no hes not? |
| 17:20.10 | Shirik | for bag=0,4 do |
| 17:20.22 | Adys | wasnt looking at the same thing |
| 17:20.37 | Adys | !api getcontainernumslots |
| 17:20.37 | lua_bot | GetContainerNumSlots: Returns the number of slots in one of the player's bags (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetContainerNumSlots) |
| 17:20.47 | Adys | !api container |
| 17:20.48 | lua_bot | Found 19 possible matches for 'container'. Please be more specific |
| 17:20.51 | Adys | fu :( |
| 17:21.33 | Adys | Shirik: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_types#containerID |
| 17:21.39 | Thunder_Child | Testicular Pugilist |
| 17:21.40 | Adys | apparently we even start before 0 :) |
| 17:21.46 | Shirik | ah |
| 17:21.51 | Shirik | who can I kill for this? |
| 17:23.47 | MatthewWW | We start at bag 0 |
| 17:23.49 | MatthewWW | bag 0 = backpack |
| 17:24.20 | Shirik | yeah I didn't know that |
| 17:24.21 | Shirik | sounds odd |
| 17:24.33 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:24.33 | Adys | it makes sens |
| 17:24.35 | Adys | it makes sense |
| 17:24.40 | Adys | the bank is part of the player's inventory |
| 17:24.41 | Fisker | i can't help but notice that you executed order shut the fuck up |
| 17:24.42 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 17:24.52 | Shirik | o.O |
| 17:25.18 | Adys | jnwhiteh: ping |
| 17:25.54 | MatthewWW | Check for link existence? Sorry, I've never really worked with links before this |
| 17:26.41 | Adys | MatthewWW: if link then local m = select... |
| 17:26.56 | Shirik | adys |
| 17:26.59 | Shirik | I am going to hurt you |
| 17:27.06 | Shirik | select can go diaf |
| 17:27.06 | Adys | hurt me |
| 17:27.09 | Adys | oh yes HURT ME |
| 17:27.22 | Adys | Shirik: two things |
| 17:27.26 | Adys | first, its not my code, l2read |
| 17:27.35 | Shirik | but you advised it! |
| 17:27.37 | Adys | second, it's a select for the 6th parameter so yeah, use select |
| 17:27.41 | Adys | i didnt |
| 17:27.49 | Adys | [18:12:14] <MatthewWW> for slot = 1,GetContainerNumSlots(bag) do local link = GetContainerItemLink(bag,slot) local m = select(6,GetItemInfo(link)) if (m == "Weapon" or "Armor") then EquipN = 1 break end end |
| 17:27.52 | Adys | SEE THE SELECT |
| 17:28.04 | Shirik | but you didn't fix it |
| 17:28.07 | Shirik | thereby advising it |
| 17:28.08 | Adys | and seriously, I avoid select too |
| 17:28.09 | Adys | but |
| 17:28.35 | Shirik | do you think it's possible to implement select in Lua? |
| 17:28.42 | Shirik | it must be |
| 17:28.56 | Adys | select(6, a) is a lot more readable than _, _, _, _, _, x = a |
| 17:29.08 | Shirik | I really wish they would take my patch |
| 17:29.27 | Shirik | ...[6] |
| 17:29.34 | Shirik | and a@6 |
| 17:29.35 | Adys | HAHAH |
| 17:29.38 | Adys | you fucking python lover |
| 17:29.44 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:30.38 | MatthewWW | I can change it to the _,_, if that will fix it.. |
| 17:30.41 | MatthewWW | I have no idea how to fix this lol |
| 17:31.32 | cog|away | Fisker: Stop calling i don't wanna talk anymore |
| 17:34.02 | Cide | how is that python loving? |
| 17:34.10 | Fisker | no u specialist cogwheel |
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| 17:35.06 | MatthewWW | I added a test to see if the link is valid or not |
| 17:35.08 | MatthewWW | for bag=0,4 do |
| 17:35.08 | MatthewWW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.08 | MatthewWW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.08 | MatthewWW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.08 | MatthewWW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.09 | MatthewWW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.09 | MatthewWW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.10 | MatthewWW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.10 | MatthewWW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.11 | MatthewWW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.11 | MatthewWW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.12 | MatthewWW | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.51 | cbreak | and then you got kicked for being a spamer? |
| 17:36.13 | MatthewWW | Well I could have put it all into one line but it would have been unreadable X_X |
| 17:36.25 | cbreak | have you ever heard from pastebin? |
| 17:36.37 | cbreak | they even have syntax highlighting |
| 17:36.46 | cbreak | check our if statement |
| 17:36.48 | cbreak | it's wrong |
| 17:37.07 | MatthewWW | which if statement? |
| 17:37.12 | cbreak | the innermost |
| 17:37.16 | cbreak | tell me what it does |
| 17:37.49 | MatthewWW | the innermost checks to see if the 6th parameter of GetItemInfo(link) is equal to "Weapon" or "Armor" |
| 17:37.50 | cbreak | or easier, tell me what the == operator and the or operator do |
| 17:37.54 | cbreak | no |
| 17:38.02 | cbreak | what does a == b mean? |
| 17:38.13 | MatthewWW | a and b are equal statements |
| 17:38.17 | cbreak | no |
| 17:38.22 | MatthewWW | Of course. |
| 17:38.32 | cbreak | it means: take a, take b and return true if they are the same, return false if they are not |
| 17:38.36 | cbreak | a and b can be different |
| 17:38.57 | cbreak | you said they are the same, but they aren't always. |
| 17:39.02 | cbreak | what does a or b mean? |
| 17:39.12 | MatthewWW | return true if it's either of those things |
| 17:39.19 | cbreak | no |
| 17:39.23 | augustl | any curseforge admins around that can approve http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/lifetap-poke/ ? |
| 17:39.33 | cbreak | it means: take a, return true if it is true, else take b, return true if that is true, otherwise return false |
| 17:39.50 | MatthewWW | Right, so exactly what I just said. |
| 17:39.52 | cbreak | (well, in lua it's slightly different, but that would only confuse you) |
| 17:40.10 | cbreak | so, what does a == b or c mean? |
| 17:40.15 | MatthewWW | so in syntax, then, should it be (m == "Armor" or m == "Weapon") |
| 17:40.21 | Torhal | Yes |
| 17:40.26 | cbreak | most likely |
| 17:40.31 | MatthewWW | Wouldn't that have been a one line answer |
| 17:40.44 | Torhal | Only if he wasn't trying to get you to think about it |
| 17:40.46 | cbreak | not if you don't get why it is that way :) |
| 17:40.54 | MatthewWW | I do, I just didn't see the error X_X |
| 17:41.14 | cbreak | a == b or c means: |
| 17:41.37 | cbreak | take a, check if it's the same as b, if it is, return true, otherwise return c |
| 17:41.55 | MatthewWW | Ah, that would be the problem |
| 17:42.30 | cbreak | lua> print ("chicken" == "food" or "pizza") |
| 17:42.30 | lua_bot | cbreak: pizza |
| 17:43.00 | cbreak | that's why I told you to think about what the operators do :) |
| 17:43.08 | cbreak | ah well |
| 17:43.10 | MatthewWW | Ahh I got it |
| 17:43.19 | MatthewWW | Thanks |
| 17:43.32 | cbreak | np :) |
| 17:43.34 | Cide | "Mumble has no kernel components, and as such cannot cause a Blue screen of death or crash your computer." |
| 17:43.38 | Cide | is this technically true? |
| 17:44.54 | Fisker | unless it can cause other components to do so, then i guess so |
| 17:45.03 | haste | I guess it can't crash windows directly Cide |
| 17:45.05 | Gnarfoz | the former could be true, the former is a matter of definition |
| 17:45.16 | Gnarfoz | s/former is/latter is/ |
| 17:45.33 | cbreak | there's API that allows kernel access |
| 17:45.37 | Shirik | Cide: If there's a bug in Windows, it could |
| 17:45.41 | cbreak | you could use a driver bug from userspace and cause blue screens |
| 17:45.44 | Shirik | but theoretically, no |
| 17:45.46 | Shirik | directly it cannot |
| 17:46.00 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:46.02 | Cide | cool |
| 17:46.04 | Cide | thanks |
| 17:46.04 | Shirik | a blue screen is just Windows's response to a double fault |
| 17:46.05 | Fisker | i'm assuming direct control |
| 17:46.28 | Torhal | Shirik: You mean, Fisker's fault? |
| 17:46.31 | Torhal | :D |
| 17:46.45 | Gnarfoz | since "Fisker" means fault, that resolves to "fault's fault" :< |
| 17:47.17 | Cide | A triple fault is a special kind of exception generated by the CPU when an exception occurs while the CPU is trying to invoke the double fault exception handler, which itself handles exceptions occurring while trying to invoke a regular exception handler. |
| 17:47.28 | Cide | I'm on a mission to create a quad fault |
| 17:47.31 | Shirik | impossible |
| 17:47.37 | Shirik | triple fault is regulated by hardware |
| 17:47.38 | Gnarfoz | just go for MCE's and be done with it |
| 17:47.39 | Cide | STOP RUINING MY FUN |
| 17:47.45 | Shirik | on IA32 it's just "reset" |
| 17:47.51 | Shirik | actually |
| 17:47.52 | Cide | yeah wiki said so |
| 17:47.53 | Shirik | I think IA32 is halt |
| 17:47.55 | Cide | but it would be funny |
| 17:47.56 | Shirik | I forget |
| 17:48.00 | Shirik | it's either halt or reset |
| 17:48.04 | cbreak | MatthewWW: instead of if a == "thing" then ... end if a == "some" then ... end |
| 17:48.09 | cbreak | you can use a table for lookup |
| 17:48.19 | cbreak | it would probably be faster, and certainly more elegant |
| 17:48.39 | Gnarfoz | table access faster than an if block? |
| 17:48.57 | cbreak | if you have 20 of them in a row |
| 17:49.04 | cbreak | one lookup vs 20 checks |
| 17:49.10 | cbreak | I don't know if it actually is faster in code |
| 17:49.14 | cbreak | but it is faster to read |
| 17:49.21 | cbreak | and makes for easier to read code |
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| 17:53.03 | cbreak | http://paste.the-color-black.net/15594 is from my addon ElementalFlux. I think having an ElementalFlux_EventHandlers table with handlers is easier to read than a big function that does dispatching |
| 17:53.11 | cbreak | or even worse, a big function that contains all the code |
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| 18:18.33 | zenzelezz | correct cable |
| 18:25.17 | Shirik | To continue our math jokes from yesterday |
| 18:25.40 | Shirik | Yesterday's was "I am cos(x)^2 and you are sin(x)^2. Together we are 1." |
| 18:25.50 | Shirik | Today's is "You are so 1/cos(c)" |
| 18:26.00 | Shirik | bonus points to anyone that can get it |
| 18:26.26 | zenzelezz | someone will have sin() what you did there |
| 18:26.48 | A-KO | <3 online ordering |
| 18:26.59 | MatthewWW | heh |
| 18:27.02 | MatthewWW | it's Sec(C) |
| 18:27.06 | A-KO | auto repair shop wanted to charge me $587 for a damn air compressor for my car.... |
| 18:27.08 | MatthewWW | "sec si" |
| 18:27.09 | MatthewWW | sexy |
| 18:27.10 | A-KO | I found a brand new one online for $340.... |
| 18:27.16 | MatthewWW | Here's a good one |
| 18:27.35 | MatthewWW | (-1^0.5)(2^3)SIG(3.14159265...) |
| 18:27.39 | Shirik | MatthewWW wins |
| 18:28.24 | MatthewWW | SIG for Cap Sigma, btw |
| 18:28.38 | Shirik | I ate some pie :P |
| 18:28.52 | MatthewWW | jejeje |
| 18:28.55 | MatthewWW | hehehe* |
| 18:28.55 | MatthewWW | Nice |
| 18:29.37 | Shirik | though technically that's not true |
| 18:29.46 | Shirik | I think most languages interpret -1^0.5 as -(1^0.5) |
| 18:30.10 | MatthewWW | Well, this was just life notation |
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| 18:45.06 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:45.07 | Fisker | you |
| 18:45.43 | Shirik | mwe |
| 18:46.46 | Fisker | mwe? |
| 18:47.29 | Shirik | me |
| 18:47.32 | Shirik | + we |
| 18:47.35 | Shirik | = mwe |
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| 18:58.34 | cbreak | http://www.impawards.com/2010/diary_of_a_wimpy_kid.html |
| 18:58.39 | cbreak | I like some movie posters... |
| 19:01.06 | zenzelezz | so the US loves oil, and goes anywhere to find it... but when you get it delivered straight to your mainland, then it's suddenly bad |
| 19:01.33 | augustl | are there any curseforge admins in here? http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/lifetap-poke/ has promised "any minute now" for quite some time ;) |
| 19:02.01 | Shirik | lmao zenzelezz |
| 19:02.10 | cog|away | burps on Fisker |
| 19:05.47 | cbreak | haha... australia... |
| 19:05.55 | cbreak | they are on swiss radio news |
| 19:06.19 | cbreak | some hacker group apparently teaches old people circumvent censorships |
| 19:07.26 | PProvost | augustl: /join #curseforge |
| 19:07.41 | augustl | PProvost: tnx |
| 19:11.15 | Dagmar | zenseless: There's also the somewhat obvious "greasy mexicans" snark |
| 19:13.01 | Dagmar | goes back to loading animals in the boat. |
| 19:19.19 | Torhal | augustl: "Any Minute Now" is akin to Blizzard's "Soon". |
| 19:19.47 | Torhal | There is really only Ackis and myself reviewing the queue for CurseForge, so it's variable. |
| 19:19.50 | Shirik | greatest song ever made? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvoeeq-BH4w |
| 19:20.26 | augustl | Torhal: sounds like "one business day" would be the way to go, then ;) |
| 19:21.57 | Torhal | augustl: Only when I have a day off and sleep for 17 hours. |
| 19:22.04 | Torhal | :D |
| 19:30.39 | Kalroth | Shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBpUbaqrOCM this one is much better |
| 19:31.11 | Shirik | eh |
| 19:31.14 | Shirik | I'm not sure I like it |
| 19:32.09 | Kalroth | the good part is from 0:45 until about 1:25 where they totally ruin .. err, make it good! |
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| 19:54.21 | Shirik | lmfao |
| 19:54.26 | Shirik | Awesome user name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:21:48,_9_May_2008_(UTC) |
| 19:54.45 | Shirik | I can't even read his comment OK, thank you. I am not sure what is confusing. I found a "Help Desk" by going to the link for "Help" on the left. Maybe they can help. 5:48 pm, 9 May 2008, Friday (UTCâ4) 15:58, 1 May 2010 (UTC) |
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| 19:55.39 | cbreak | :) |
| 19:56.22 | Jamash | that's funny |
| 19:56.50 | Jamash | reminds me of little bobby drop table |
| 19:57.38 | Shirik | like |
| 19:57.53 | Shirik | I even have a script that's designed to convert UTC timestamps into my timezone |
| 19:57.58 | zenzelezz | I feel cheated out of a day off when 1st May is not a weekday :( |
| 19:57.59 | Shirik | and it's converting his username instead of the timestamp... |
| 19:58.22 | Cide | haha |
| 19:58.25 | Cide | that's awesome |
| 19:58.41 | Cide | wanna play some sc2 Shirik?! |
| 19:58.49 | Shirik | busy :< |
| 19:58.52 | Cide | weak |
| 19:58.52 | Shirik | maybe in a few hours? |
| 19:58.56 | Cide | yeah hopefully |
| 19:59.00 | Cide | unrelated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTaHL6IeukI |
| 19:59.10 | Cide | awesome if you haven't seen it (you have if you're swedish) |
| 20:03.13 | Adys | Anyone able to give me non-mount examples of spells not usable underwater? |
| 20:03.14 | Dagmar | I think we might have actually seen all those bits before |
| 20:03.34 | Dagmar | [Breathe Bacon] |
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| 20:03.54 | Dagmar | Ground-targeted AoE become somewhat problematic |
| 20:04.10 | Dagmar | ...like anything with a reticle you have to position and then click is right out. |
| 20:04.18 | Adys | yeha but im talking about spells specifically not enablable underwater |
| 20:04.34 | ReAn | k, i've been out of wow for a while, aside from QuestHelper + LightHeaded are there any cool new mods for leveling |
| 20:04.45 | Dagmar | I haven't seen any. You can summon food and water, while underwater (no idea how the strudel doesn't get soggy) even though you can't eat them |
| 20:05.38 | Torhal | Isn't fishing considered a spell? |
| 20:05.48 | Dagmar | You have to be standing on land to cast. |
| 20:05.55 | Torhal | Exactly |
| 20:05.55 | Dagmar | That I tried long ago |
| 20:06.00 | Adys | theres fishing too yeah |
| 20:06.07 | Dagmar | You can't stand on the bottom of the lake, no matter how hard you try |
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| 20:10.13 | zenzelezz | "Can a woman wearing skinny jeans be raped? Or are they so tight they can be taken off only with her consent? These are some of the questions a jury asked before acquitting a Sydney man of sexual assault." o_O |
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| 20:12.57 | Adys | It's a good question |
| 20:13.04 | Adys | let's test that theory on Shirik |
| 20:13.06 | A-KO | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/april/ss1309.jpg < that's.....the blasted lands in cataclysm? god damn |
| 20:13.36 | amro | no, that's blasted lands right now |
| 20:14.46 | Dagmar | I don't think so. |
| 20:14.50 | zenzelezz | Adys: apparently Korea and Italy tested it too; Korea said "it must be consensual", Italy said "no wai" |
| 20:15.04 | Dagmar | I've got all my sliders maxed and my water don't look like that. |
| 20:15.16 | A-KO | Dagmar: cataclysm is changing the water effects |
| 20:15.20 | zenzelezz | nevermind the fact that Blasted Lands doesn't look like that at all |
| 20:15.31 | A-KO | zenzelezz: supposedly Bornakk said it was the blasted lands :P |
| 20:15.35 | Shirik | zenzelezz where did you read this? |
| 20:15.40 | Dagmar | It could be |
| 20:15.40 | zenzelezz | A-KO: I mean the current Blasted Lands |
| 20:15.45 | zenzelezz | Shirik: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/rape-of-woman-in-skinny-jeans-not-possible-20100430-tzai.html |
| 20:15.49 | Dagmar | It was a bunch of knobbly trees and ash and rock before |
| 20:15.53 | A-KO | yeah Dagmar |
| 20:16.10 | Dagmar | It's definitely not present-day Blasted Lands tho |
| 20:17.18 | Dagmar | Jesus it's flooding all over the place here |
| 20:17.48 | zenzelezz | Blizzard must be very proud of their new water effect, what with them adding water to Blasted Lands and flooding Thousand Needles |
| 20:17.50 | Dagmar | I guess ten inches of rain in twelve hours works well enough |
| 20:17.58 | zenzelezz | (and they're right to, that's gorgeous water) |
| 20:18.19 | Dagmar | Agreed |
| 20:18.26 | Dagmar | THat water is much prettier than what's here |
| 20:18.52 | zenzelezz | of course |
| 20:18.58 | zenzelezz | your water isn't hardware accelerated |
| 20:22.24 | cbreak | zenzelezz: earth is hardware. gravity is earth based. |
| 20:22.39 | cbreak | just remove the containment structure and the water will be hardware accelerated. |
| 20:22.43 | Torhal | Pipes and valves are, indeed, hardware. Plenty of acceleration there. |
| 20:22.58 | zenzelezz | I don't think Dagmar's rain is coming from pipes and valves |
| 20:23.31 | Torhal | Drat |
| 20:26.01 | Dashkal | Trolling throught he mmo-c thread on that blasted lands pic, one person around page 20-ish found a pretty close spot in the tainted scar. The abckground mountains lined up near-perfect |
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| 20:26.24 | Dashkal | It was only linked to, no inline image. link namesd "proof" |
| 20:30.05 | Nerik | Has anyone used the Lua Programming Gems book who could tell me how useful it is? |
| 20:45.38 | zenzelezz | "The actions of some players were described as terrorism by some, including Charles Blair, deputy director of the Center for Terrorism and Intelligence Studies, who felt that World of Warcraft could provide a new way to study how terrorist cells form and operate." |
| 20:45.43 | zenzelezz | WoW - training terrorists since 2004 |
| 20:48.00 | amro | is that a joke? |
| 20:48.19 | haste | probably not |
| 20:48.22 | zenzelezz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupted_Blood_incident |
| 20:48.32 | amro | hahahah |
| 20:48.43 | amro | it's called griefing |
| 20:48.52 | Dagmar | Actually I call it "hilarious" |
| 20:49.12 | Dagmar | Griefing doesn' generally take out hundreds of players at once |
| 20:49.21 | amro | it's just large-scale griefing |
| 20:49.41 | amro | and I don't see what it has to do with how terrorist cells form or operate |
| 20:49.47 | Dagmar | "causing an epidemic across several servers" ... Shirik, would you like to fix that? |
| 20:49.55 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:49.56 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure debuffs can't spread to other servers and never could. |
| 20:49.59 | Dagmar | heh |
| 20:50.02 | Dagmar | Factually incorrect |
| 20:50.13 | Shirik | why do we have an article on this |
| 20:50.19 | amro | my thoughts exactly |
| 20:50.45 | Dagmar | Shirik: because not everyone was around during MUD days when infectious disesases were my favorite thing to kill lots of people with |
| 20:51.05 | Dagmar | You can almost *always* turn an infecting agent in game into a tool of mass destruction |
| 20:51.23 | zenzelezz | Shirik: the article isn't bad as such, it has several references and stuff |
| 20:51.37 | zenzelezz | clearly people outside the game found it an interesting event |
| 20:52.29 | zenzelezz | "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention contacted Blizzard Entertainment and requested statistics on this event for research on epidemics, but was told that it was a glitch." - heh |
| 20:53.20 | Dagmar | It's a scene that had repeated itself over and over during the 90's as the DikuMud and MOO people tried desperately to implement a contagious disease mechanic that wouldn't rapidly kill everyone |
| 20:54.55 | amro | here's a thought: make one with an incubation period of more than 2 seconds |
| 20:55.04 | amro | that might give people time to get rid of it |
| 20:55.04 | Jamash | you need things like incubation time, natural immunity, and damn it amro |
| 20:55.16 | Dagmar | You need natural immunity. |
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| 20:55.22 | Dagmar | Without it, you invariably kill everyone. |
| 20:55.52 | amro | not necessarily, if it has to incubate before spreading and if you can cure it before it incubates, it can be wiped out |
| 20:56.09 | Dagmar | Anything longer than a handful of actions time before the player knows they're infected and the rate at which they spread is just crazy |
| 20:56.31 | Dagmar | amro: It's not as simple as it sounds |
| 20:56.44 | amro | yes, because that would actually be a boring mechanic |
| 20:56.54 | zenzelezz | don't make it obvious you're carrying the disease either |
| 20:57.00 | amro | making it fun and not genocidal isn't really doable |
| 20:58.17 | Dagmar | Yeah well, genocidal results are pretty much the norm. |
| 20:59.16 | Jamash | it's easy to make a disease fun and not genocidal, just make it turn your head into a smiley face and do no damage |
| 21:11.51 | Cide | then it's not a disease |
| 21:11.56 | Cide | it's a spreading wave of happiness |
| 21:12.29 | Adys | WRONG CIDE |
| 21:12.35 | Adys | It's a diseased face of friendship! |
| 21:12.36 | Cide | I'm never wrong |
| 21:14.47 | Gnarfoz | ~seen nymbia |
| 21:14.51 | purl | nymbia <~nymbia@c-67-176-64-44.hsd1.co.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 27d 20h 2m 54s ago, saying: 'i think that's how some of the filter manufacturers run. problem with it is you're not getting into SSL streams.'. |
| 21:14.55 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 21:15.23 | Gnarfoz | didn't realize he was in a pvp vid :D |
| 21:21.25 | Dashkal | Hmm, I should write a spreading disease that applies a debuff rather than damage.... |
| 21:27.09 | Dashkal | hmm, wait. done already: Facebook apps |
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| 21:34.07 | cbreak | BAN FACEBOOK! |
| 21:34.21 | Andols | Idd ;) |
| 21:44.27 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 21:44.53 | foxlit | ~wowalert |
| 21:44.54 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 21:45.07 | foxlit | The last paragraph of the EU one is hilarious. |
| 21:45.56 | Gnarfoz | better hope nobody tries dns poisoning to replace the alert page |
| 21:45.56 | nevcairiel | they html'ified those, eh |
| 21:46.04 | haste | oh wth |
| 21:46.07 | haste | they use HTML now |
| 21:46.10 | foxlit | Iriel: hi. |
| 21:46.25 | Iriel | lo |
| 21:46.27 | Gnarfoz | they had the ability for 5+ years, wonder why they started doing it now |
| 21:46.46 | haste | they've used the launcher for five years> |
| 21:47.35 | foxlit | Remember how they removed randomseed from the API? |
| 21:47.55 | Iriel | yes |
| 21:48.26 | Gnarfoz | haste: launcher? |
| 21:48.29 | foxlit | It's not quite enough. One can use the random number generator to communicate state just by calling it. |
| 21:48.32 | Gnarfoz | what has the launcher got to do with it |
| 21:48.44 | haste | oh wait, they display them in-game as well |
| 21:48.47 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 21:48.56 | haste | I use US client on EU, so I tend to ignore those :P |
| 21:49.04 | Gnarfoz | since when does that work? |
| 21:49.08 | haste | since ever? |
| 21:49.09 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 21:49.12 | haste | yes |
| 21:49.14 | Gnarfoz | back then it didn't. |
| 21:49.20 | nevcairiel | why would you want to do that anyway? |
| 21:49.24 | haste | back in retail+ it's been working |
| 21:49.25 | Gnarfoz | because US had realm selection hardcoded according to timezones |
| 21:49.28 | Gnarfoz | no. |
| 21:49.34 | Gnarfoz | EU had languages, US had timezones |
| 21:49.38 | Iriel | foxlit: Hm, |
| 21:49.42 | haste | nevcairiel: less download |
| 21:49.59 | nevcairiel | that 5% size |
| 21:50.05 | Gnarfoz | believe me, I tried, terrible terrible deDE localization :D |
| 21:50.22 | haste | nevcairiel: when your max speed down is 300KB/s that matters! |
| 21:50.26 | Gnarfoz | (I just used enGB, which is the same as enUS (minus the realm selection difference) anyway) |
| 21:50.49 | Maldivia | Gnarfoz: except the enGB patchs are larger than the enUS :P |
| 21:50.56 | nevcairiel | yeah, except its 5% bigger on patches, because they contain all languages :p |
| 21:51.10 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: so? |
| 21:51.19 | Maldivia | sometimes more than 5%, when you have voiceovers as well :P |
| 21:51.22 | Gnarfoz | and they don't contain all languages |
| 21:51.28 | Gnarfoz | they only contain enGB |
| 21:51.36 | nevcairiel | nop, they contain all EU languages |
| 21:51.46 | nevcairiel | if you have the language packs installed, all get patched |
| 21:51.50 | Gnarfoz | if you have a multilanguage install maybe |
| 21:51.51 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 21:51.57 | nevcairiel | the point was the download size |
| 21:52.00 | nevcairiel | not the disc size |
| 21:52.00 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 21:52.21 | Gnarfoz | (disk) - and why do they still have enGB/deDE/frFR patches, then? |
| 21:52.25 | Gnarfoz | they should all be identical, then |
| 21:52.28 | Maldivia | all languages are in the patch file, but the languages you don't have installed are just ignored when you run the patcher |
| 21:52.29 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 21:52.53 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: *shrug* I had less than haste's 300KiB/s for a long time |
| 21:53.05 | Gnarfoz | it's not like you have to patch on patch day and be short on time ;) |
| 21:53.20 | nevcairiel | i do think you can just grab a enGB patch and use it on all EU clients, no matter what your primary language is |
| 21:53.50 | Gnarfoz | there shouldn't be a primary language anymore since 3.0, IIRC |
| 21:53.56 | zenzelezz | could be the patches all contain everything, but the language in the installer itself is different? |
| 21:54.05 | nevcairiel | there is, its the language you have the movies for |
| 21:54.06 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: as for 5% - 3.3.2->3.3.3, US: 142.9 MiB, EU: 176.5 MiB |
| 21:54.14 | cbreak | you can download language packs from blizzard |
| 21:54.18 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: old |
| 21:54.18 | cbreak | if you want to use a different language |
| 21:54.33 | Gnarfoz | wotlk client is multilanguage by itself, you don't need the language packs |
| 21:54.38 | cbreak | try getting one and comparing the client |
| 21:54.47 | cbreak | Gnarfoz: not old, it's current |
| 21:54.49 | Gnarfoz | I have enGB and deDE installed |
| 21:54.54 | cbreak | I saw the download link yesterday |
| 21:54.55 | nevcairiel | ew |
| 21:54.55 | Gnarfoz | didn't need a language pack for that |
| 21:55.22 | nevcairiel | you can only install multiple languages if you use the download installer |
| 21:55.25 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 21:55.26 | Gnarfoz | no. |
| 21:55.31 | Gnarfoz | the dvd contains all of them ;) |
| 21:55.33 | nevcairiel | the on-disc installer didnt offer it back then |
| 21:55.36 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 21:55.41 | Gnarfoz | someone must have updated my dvd then ;D |
| 21:55.47 | nevcairiel | they dont even produce dvds |
| 21:55.53 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 21:55.55 | Gnarfoz | who doesn't |
| 21:56.01 | Maldivia | collectors edition is DVDs |
| 21:56.05 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: wotlk is a dvd |
| 21:56.40 | Gnarfoz | (the normal edition) |
| 21:56.44 | Gnarfoz | in EU, that is. |
| 21:57.11 | Maldivia | don't have it, so wouldn't know |
| 21:57.15 | Gnarfoz | for some reason, DVD drives seemed to have less market penetration in the US for a long time, thus giving us WoW and BC on multiple CDs instead of just a dvd |
| 21:57.40 | Gnarfoz | anyway, go digital distribution! |
| 21:58.22 | nevcairiel | i wish they had a realtime online thing for cataclysm release |
| 21:58.26 | nevcairiel | with midnight release :p |
| 21:58.39 | zenzelezz | yeah, then we could all get it at 3 KB/s |
| 21:58.55 | nevcairiel | could offer a pre-load and give key |
| 21:59.15 | Adys | I got lucky with wotlk |
| 21:59.29 | Adys | somehow ended up with the key around 9pm |
| 21:59.41 | nevcairiel | usually you can use the beta client if you're really slow on time |
| 21:59.48 | nevcairiel | just need a key |
| 21:59.55 | Adys | and Bibi (hi Bibi) nicely warned me that we could start level in wlk zones already if the account was wlk-enabled |
| 22:00.00 | zenzelezz | think I just went to the store and bought it the morning it was released |
| 22:00.16 | Adys | i had a 2h30 headstart, and i won the serverfirst 80 race by 2 hours :) |
| 22:00.27 | zenzelezz | oh, you were doing that |
| 22:00.40 | nevcairiel | reports adys to a GM |
| 22:00.46 | Adys | OMGNO MY ACCOUNT |
| 22:00.54 | nevcairiel | they took stuff away for less! |
| 22:00.58 | Dagmar | zenzeless: There's nothing wrong with bittorrent. |
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| 22:02.54 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: did I say there was? |
| 22:08.55 | Gnarfoz | Adys: had 3 guys in my guild who had keys early, but they had work the next day, so T_T |
| 22:08.58 | Gnarfoz | what a waste. |
| 22:09.35 | Gnarfoz | would've made realm first paladin with those 3 hours, this way I only got realm first draenei & first aid ^^ |
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| 22:09.53 | Adys | lol |
| 22:10.04 | Adys | i got first aid too! |
| 22:10.17 | Gnarfoz | too bad they removed the titles. |
| 22:10.20 | Adys | and i wanted to get cooking, but after 4 days i thought "meh someone prolly has it" |
| 22:10.28 | Gnarfoz | of course nobody had it^^ |
| 22:10.33 | Adys | 3 days later (over a week after wlk) someone got it |
| 22:10.57 | Gnarfoz | skinning was the first one to go, then fishin |
| 22:11.20 | Adys | mining was the first one here |
| 22:12.00 | Gnarfoz | Adys: another case of "d'oh" - 2 other guys and I were leveling together, LAN party style... the rogue guy didn't know about the Northrend Vanguard FoS |
| 22:12.28 | Gnarfoz | we were miles ahead on those factions, but he stopped after his red drake (exalted wyrmrest) mount |
| 22:12.40 | Gnarfoz | then some horde guy got it. :o |
| 22:13.05 | Adys | i almost got that one, but i decided to leave it to the guy i was doing all the instances with |
| 22:13.18 | Gnarfoz | best part: having guildies relay us lower zones' general chat when people were talking about us 3. :D |
| 22:13.18 | Adys | who also was the guy who got realm 2nd 80 |
| 22:14.01 | Gnarfoz | wonder if they'll even bother putting realm first 85 titles in |
| 22:15.07 | Adys | I hope they don't honestly |
| 22:15.20 | Adys | i was fine with them removing it |
| 22:15.38 | Adys | but if it's to do the same at 85 and just leaving the 80s out ... meh |
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| 22:18.43 | Adys | time to make a fortune selling ice cream |
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| 22:24.51 | MatthewWW_Away | Can WOW play .wav files in sound, or do they have to be ogg, aac, mp3, yada yada |
| 22:24.54 | MatthewWW_Away | o_O? |
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| 22:27.13 | ReAn | what's a good map mod? |
| 22:27.25 | ReAn | other than cartographer... |
| 22:27.52 | ReAn | ... since it's broken :( |
| 22:27.58 | Cide | it's my birthday today? |
| 22:28.14 | Cide | let's celebrate then |
| 22:29.58 | Shirik | yay Cide |
| 22:30.09 | Cide | (hint: it's not) |
| 22:30.11 | amro | ~stab Shirik |
| 22:30.12 | purl | ACTION runs at Shirik with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:30.17 | Shirik | wtf did I do |
| 22:30.19 | amro | help me! |
| 22:30.22 | Shirik | with what |
| 22:30.25 | Cide | don't help him |
| 22:30.29 | amro | check the other chan |
| 22:30.33 | Adys | MatthewWW_Away: wav and mp3 can be played |
| 22:30.34 | ReAn | anyone? |
| 22:30.35 | Adys | nothing else |
| 22:31.25 | ReAn | i need a good map mod |
| 22:31.28 | ReAn | any suggestions? |
| 22:31.30 | Adys | mapster |
| 22:31.34 | ReAn | cool thx |
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| 22:33.56 | Danny-xh5ij2 | Is there a way to create a secureactionbutton that a player can actually place on their action bars as if it were a normal spell? As it stands I'm generating a macro that just says "/click Foo" which seems kinda silly. |
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| 22:41.48 | Iriel | Danny-xh5ij2: Click foo is your best bet |
| 22:46.07 | Danny-xh5ij2 | Damn. Ugly =[ |
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| 23:02.06 | Cide | lua> (2/3)^-10 |
| 23:02.09 | lua_bot | Cide: 57.6650390625 |
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| 23:11.01 | cbreak | haha,... seems blizzard will have to ban themselves for violating their own policy |
| 23:11.36 | cbreak | addons that allow cross-faction communication are banned |
| 23:11.44 | cbreak | but blizzard will implement that functionality themselves! |
| 23:11.54 | ScytheBlade1 | grrrr @ work |
| 23:11.59 | ScytheBlade1 | people botched 39 office 2007 installs |
| 23:12.00 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 23:12.00 | Dagmar | Suuure they did |
| 23:13.08 | Shirik | hai ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:13.25 | batrick | cbreak: ? |
| 23:13.50 | Cide | :( |
| 23:13.52 | Cide | demoted to gold |
| 23:14.03 | cbreak | batrick: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24401797086/battle-net-friends-list/ |
| 23:14.50 | Dagmar | cbreak: That doesn't really break any new ground |
| 23:15.05 | cbreak | it allows cross faction communication |
| 23:15.10 | Dagmar | There's never been anything stoppping you from using IRC or Skype to talk to your _friends_ |
| 23:15.11 | nevcairiel | well you will be able to talk to friends on the opposite faction |
| 23:15.19 | nevcairiel | from within the game |
| 23:15.28 | cbreak | writing addons that allow that is banned |
| 23:15.36 | nevcairiel | just thats its no big deal, because you cant do so freely |
| 23:15.43 | Dagmar | There is however, no mechanism to let you trounce an alliance paladin and then tell him how hard you fucked his grandmother last night. |
| 23:15.43 | eidolarr | writing addons to talk to arbitrary people on the other side is banned |
| 23:15.55 | Fisker | for all intents at purposes it doesn't allow cross-faction communication inconsistent to Blizzard's design |
| 23:15.58 | cbreak | no |
| 23:15.59 | batrick | cbreak: thx |
| 23:16.01 | Dagmar | *That* is what the cross-faction prohibition is for |
| 23:16.07 | cbreak | writing addons that allow to communicate in any way is banned |
| 23:16.14 | eidolarr | yes, to stop trash talk |
| 23:16.17 | Dagmar | To prevent verbal greifing of "everyone within range of your shrill voice" |
| 23:16.23 | cbreak | no, to stop any talk |
| 23:16.33 | eidolarr | it was implemented to stop trash talk |
| 23:16.37 | cbreak | it doesn't specify what kind of talk |
| 23:16.45 | eidolarr | if you remember back when undead could speak common in beta you remember this |
| 23:16.45 | Dagmar | cbreak: You're wrong. We're right. deal with it. |
| 23:16.53 | Dagmar | This was hashed out way back in closed beta and why |
| 23:16.55 | batrick | zzz |
| 23:16.58 | Kalroth | It is only to stop trash talk, they don't care if you share secrets with enemy faction. |
| 23:17.13 | cbreak | they explicitly forbid any kind of communication |
| 23:17.14 | Cide | are you ready Shirik? |
| 23:17.19 | Shirik | no |
| 23:17.21 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:17.21 | cbreak | addons would require a sending and a receiving end |
| 23:17.26 | Cide | you're bad! |
| 23:17.29 | cbreak | for encoding and decoding data |
| 23:17.35 | Fisker | yes cbreak but the reason why they do that is to remove the harassment element |
| 23:17.49 | cbreak | so obviously it would not work without the two peers agreeing |
| 23:18.05 | Dagmar | ...because basically any mechanism that's going to allow people to _freely_ communicate with the other side is going to let you talk to *anyone* on the other side |
| 23:18.09 | eidolarr | unless it became an addon that just everyone had |
| 23:18.10 | Dagmar | ...which will mean greifing |
| 23:18.19 | Fisker | oh nice cbreak |
| 23:18.25 | eidolarr | then we go back to the beta days |
| 23:18.30 | Fisker | i'll go get in raids with my newly dinged mage |
| 23:18.39 | Fisker | because i don't use gearscore so those silly limits don't apply to me |
| 23:18.51 | Dagmar | There's a good example right there. |
| 23:18.55 | eidolarr | that's not even a little parallel |
| 23:18.58 | Dagmar | Craploads of people have gearscore installed |
| 23:19.02 | cbreak | you can already talk to people of the same faction |
| 23:19.06 | cbreak | including trash talk |
| 23:19.09 | Cide | 12 games as random and never zerg |
| 23:19.11 | Dagmar | You can't really say "only some people will have the cross-faction translator installed" |
| 23:19.14 | Cide | lua> (2/3)^-12 |
| 23:19.14 | lua_bot | Cide: 129.74633789063 |
| 23:19.18 | Cide | the game hates me |
| 23:19.23 | cbreak | I fail to see how being able to talk to the five horde members would make any difference |
| 23:19.42 | eidolarr | well blizzard does |
| 23:19.50 | Dagmar | cbreak: If you know them personally, you're probably not going to be telling them how you skullfucked their grandmother. |
| 23:20.16 | cbreak | I am not telling that to anyone |
| 23:20.18 | Kalroth | cbreak: It's an roleplaying thing. It's hard to keep it up when that male night elf is able to yell "u sux lol" while corpse camping you. |
| 23:20.40 | nevcairiel | the battle.net friend deal would be kinda silly otherwise .. oh sorry, you can continue talking to him when he is done playing, but while he is playing you cant, ebcause he is horde =P |
| 23:20.41 | cbreak | well, report him for harassing you :) |
| 23:20.46 | Dagmar | Tehre's also the small matter of a few cases of trash talk are enough to ruin the whole thing for some folks |
| 23:20.51 | cbreak | you can already do that when some person of the same faction harasses you |
| 23:20.55 | Kalroth | And generally there isn't a single good thing about factions communicating, so they closed it. |
| 23:20.59 | eidolarr | look, in beta it was very clear that undaed lost cross-faction because of trash talk |
| 23:21.10 | eidolarr | you can argue that they shouldn't have, or that there are better ways to deal with harassment |
| 23:21.12 | Dagmar | Hehe yeah that's true |
| 23:21.14 | eidolarr | but that is the reason the decision was made |
| 23:21.23 | Kalroth | Prohibiting same-faction talk isn't realistic, opposite faction much easier. |
| 23:21.27 | Dagmar | You could rile them up easily to the point where they couldn't even hit the spacebar properly |
| 23:21.47 | eidolarr | when i did the beta stv was just constant yelling of obscenities |
| 23:22.01 | Dagmar | eidolarr: That was open beta. |
| 23:22.14 | Dagmar | ...either that or EU had a *much* different release |
| 23:22.16 | Kalroth | Oh they totally would do the same today :) |
| 23:22.20 | eidolarr | yeah it was beta |
| 23:22.23 | eidolarr | i don't remember if it was open beta |
| 23:22.26 | Dagmar | In closed beta that didn't go on |
| 23:22.43 | eidolarr | i don't think it was open beta |
| 23:22.45 | Kalroth | It could get bad in closed too |
| 23:22.46 | Dagmar | ...well, aside from everyone cussing at that noob giant |
| 23:22.46 | eidolarr | open beta was only for like a week |
| 23:22.55 | Kalroth | open was 10 days, yeah |
| 23:23.39 | Dagmar | Though seriously there's only so long you can take some damn NPC yelling zone-wide red text in ALL-CAPS before you start cussing him back |
| 23:24.06 | Dagmar | I took great pleasure in exploiting a bug to kill him and shut him up. |
| 23:24.06 | cbreak | make a raid and kill it |
| 23:24.26 | eidolarr | i think the friends list messaging people of the other faction is less of a "well ok the rule was bad" and more of a concession that it makes easier what people did anyway via 3rd party programs |
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| 23:25.05 | Dagmar | eidolarr: The rule was pretty much required |
| 23:25.18 | Dagmar | it wasn't _bad_, there just wasn't any way to _not_ have it |
| 23:25.21 | eidolarr | i could see how you could make a case for being able to message mutual friends |
| 23:25.41 | cbreak | uhm... is there any other kind of friends? |
| 23:25.44 | Dagmar | Yeah you're not likely to trash talk your personal friends like you're a nazi war criminal |
| 23:25.49 | eidolarr | yes, you friend them and they friend you |
| 23:25.56 | eidolarr | instead of "this guy is camping me, let me friend him so i can spam him" |
| 23:26.15 | cbreak | friendship seems to require bidirectionality by definition |
| 23:26.17 | Dagmar | ...or "I need to sell this gold so I can eat. Let me friend everyone that runs past so I can spam them" |
| 23:26.21 | eidolarr | i mean /friend |
| 23:26.34 | cbreak | friendship requires to be accepted |
| 23:26.35 | eidolarr | although i think you know that |
| 23:26.42 | cbreak | (at least that blue post implies that) |
| 23:26.53 | eidolarr | i think we are talking about different things |
| 23:27.10 | eidolarr | i mean, you could make a case for being able to message someone who is a mutual friend, in the current friends list scheme |
| 23:27.18 | eidolarr | in the new one it's moot |
| 23:27.25 | Dagmar | We can probably hook that up in the API |
| 23:27.33 | cbreak | the current one doesn't allow adding other factions though |
| 23:27.46 | eidolarr | yeah but they could have changed that |
| 23:28.04 | cbreak | easier: just make a decoding whitelist in the cross platform addon |
| 23:28.04 | Dagmar | ...but I can't see a case where you would ont just be able to go ahead and friend that mutual friend once you know they're there |
| 23:28.34 | eidolarr | Dagmar: what? |
| 23:29.06 | eidolarr | I'm just saying, if their driving motive was really "let wow people message their friends cross faction," they could have done that |
| 23:29.06 | Dagmar | The mutual friend case where you have a buddy who is flagged as your friend for comms, and they know someone who you would like to talk to who is flagged with them but not with you |
| 23:29.17 | eidolarr | i think it's more of a side effect |
| 23:29.42 | Dagmar | No if they had no "handshake" requirement on this it would just be a vehicle for goldspammers and people would hate it |
| 23:29.59 | eidolarr | "this" ? |
| 23:30.09 | Dagmar | The cross-faction/cross-server chat |
| 23:30.21 | eidolarr | the hypothetical one or the new battle.net ? |
| 23:30.37 | Dagmar | The new battle.net. |
| 23:30.44 | eidolarr | I agree but I don't see where the "No" comes from lol |
| 23:30.46 | Dagmar | I've got no idea what hypothetical one you're talking about |
| 23:31.06 | Dagmar | ""let wow people |
| 23:31.14 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.36 | Dagmar | No they couldn't do that because you would have no way of knowing who is *actually* a friend and who isn't. |
| 23:31.48 | eidolarr | hence mutual friend |
| 23:32.04 | Dagmar | Yes, this is why you have to have them "friended" in the battle.net system |
| 23:32.04 | nevcairiel | just doing it on mutual friends without any other UI improvements is stupid |
| 23:32.12 | nevcairiel | way too unintuitive for users |
| 23:32.29 | eidolarr | they could have dressed it up nicely |
| 23:32.38 | cbreak | "If he's on the list, I can read what he says" |
| 23:32.43 | cbreak | easy. |
| 23:32.53 | nevcairiel | eidolarr: they're doing that now :p |
| 23:33.05 | cbreak | just like they do now for low level players |
| 23:33.12 | Dagmar | cbreak: And next we'll add fairy dust so they can fly |
| 23:33.15 | cbreak | (with trial accounts?) |
| 23:33.32 | cbreak | they will make all zones flyable in cataclysm |
| 23:33.37 | eidolarr | haha |
| 23:33.41 | cbreak | I don't think they use fairy dust though |
| 23:33.47 | eidolarr | that is in 4.1 |
| 23:34.08 | Dagmar | The big difference being that trial accounts aren't allowed to talk to much of ANYONE under normal circumstances |
| 23:34.21 | Dagmar | Again, spammers ruin things for everyone. |
| 23:34.29 | nevcairiel | yeah, cant even whisper someone unless they whisper you first |
| 23:34.30 | cbreak | just like cross faction communication |
| 23:34.37 | cbreak | disallowed under almost all circumstances |
| 23:34.56 | Dashkal | Heh, I forgot. Happy First of May |
| 23:35.01 | Dagmar | I'm beginning to wonder if there's something in the water where he lives |
| 23:35.04 | nevcairiel | imho no cross-faction talk is just good lore |
| 23:35.06 | Dagmar | Lead or something |
| 23:35.08 | eidolarr | wtf are we even arguing about |
| 23:35.18 | nevcairiel | they are enemys, you dont learn the language of the steak of your next bbq |
| 23:35.28 | Dagmar | nevcariel: I would |
| 23:35.40 | cbreak | understand your enemy |
| 23:35.49 | Dagmar | I mean, if it's already established that I'm gonna eat that, why would it bother me to have a conversation with it first. |
| 23:35.52 | cbreak | I bet that's a single digit rule in warfare |
| 23:36.11 | nevcairiel | they are a stupid horde, they don't have much to understand there, they are all only battlecrys :p |
| 23:36.15 | Dagmar | Hell, I thought that was how you got chicks to go home with you. |
| 23:36.21 | Dagmar | Talk nice to 'em first. |
| 23:36.44 | Dagmar | I may have been doing it wrong but it's been working out fairly well thus far |
| 23:36.54 | nevcairiel | If i had to talk my meat into getting on my grill .. man, that would suck |
| 23:37.04 | Dagmar | it makes it tastier |
| 23:37.19 | cbreak | There's that restaurant at the end of the universe |
| 23:40.10 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 23:41.50 | eidolarr | i can't figure out a good way to architect this code |
| 23:42.20 | eidolarr | it's a bit torrent like thing and it downloads a bunch of chunks, and it would be really nice if they wrote themselves to disk when they were done |
| 23:42.21 | Dagmar | Alphabetical order. :) |
| 23:42.35 | eidolarr | but i can't figure out how to inform the host module that a chunk was complete so it can tell when the whole dl is done |
| 23:42.59 | Dagmar | fifos? |
| 23:43.29 | eidolarr | first in first out what now? |
| 23:43.44 | Dagmar | A FIFO. Also known as "named pipes". |
| 23:43.53 | Dagmar | You've never used a fifo for inter-process communication? |
| 23:43.59 | eidolarr | it's not inter process |
| 23:44.10 | eidolarr | you mean like a stream with a socket? |
| 23:44.39 | Dagmar | You're talking about "inform[ing] the host module that a chunk was complete" |
| 23:44.52 | eidolarr | yeah it's all one process though |
| 23:44.53 | Dagmar | This implies that you've got at least two processes/threads involved |
| 23:45.03 | Dagmar | ...otherwise there's no one to inform. |
| 23:45.07 | eidolarr | no i'm just trying to keep the code reasonable |
| 23:45.15 | eidolarr | without a million entry points between the logical modules |
| 23:46.10 | eidolarr | like in wow where you can trigger events to communicate even though it's one process and one thread |
| 23:47.19 | Dagmar | Ah you want to generate an event |
| 23:47.31 | eidolarr | sort of, but that may be too heavy duty |
| 23:47.45 | eidolarr | just imagine you have a bunch of objects for downloads going on |
| 23:47.56 | eidolarr | how would they "tell" you you're complete? repeated probing? |
| 23:48.01 | eidolarr | or a callback? |
| 23:48.11 | Dagmar | You can always set something in an array to (1) and then poll the entire array repeatedly |
| 23:48.25 | Dagmar | I think the event/callback method is a crapload less resource intensive |
| 23:48.59 | eidolarr | i had it before as just like, the child object calls a function in the parent directly, but it was too confusing to work with |
| 23:52.16 | Danny-xh5ij2 | I seem to be having an issue where the packager is recreating all my tagged version every time I push out my recent changes. I'm guessing this has something to do with a mistake I made in converting the repo from subversion to git. Might anyone have some ideas on how to fix this? (Or where on the forums I can seek help) |
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