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| 07:35.24 | Jerub | WobWork: how the fuck do i connect a decent naked dsl? |
| 07:35.42 | Jerub | my analysis shows that you have to connect a phoneline first to get rid of the phoneline :/ |
| 07:35.46 | Jerub | or pay for uploads |
| 07:36.26 | WobWork | yes |
| 07:36.38 | WobWork | how are you coming into the situation? |
| 07:36.42 | WobWork | do you already have a phone? |
| 07:36.47 | WobWork | are you moving to a new place? |
| 07:40.41 | Corrodias | you have to connect a what now? |
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| 07:46.25 | Zyn | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/entertainment-industrys-dystopia-future |
| 07:46.38 | Zyn | it's like a late aprils fools joke |
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| 07:51.13 | WobWork | Corrodias: Naked DSL, it's an internet link without an accompanying phone line rental |
| 07:51.31 | WobWork | essentially VOIP for the phone |
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| 08:30.12 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 08:30.15 | Fisker | what's 1+1? |
| 08:30.21 | zenzio | false |
| 08:30.58 | haste | Fisker: 2.00000000000000000000000000000003 |
| 08:31.25 | krka | Fact: Bear Beets Battlestar galactica |
| 08:32.06 | zenzio | Bear Beets? Never heard of it |
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| 09:55.11 | msoul | Question |
| 09:55.26 | msoul | About to do a fresh install for this mac |
| 09:55.52 | msoul | all i need to copy in a memory stick the file "updates" or everything under world of warcraft folder? |
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| 10:04.50 | jnwhiteh | why fresh install |
| 10:04.56 | jnwhiteh | just get rid of the shit in your directory |
| 10:05.07 | msoul | Sorry, upgrade |
| 10:05.18 | jnwhiteh | regardless |
| 10:05.19 | msoul | Got snow leopard a ewhile ago and haven't upgraded yet |
| 10:05.21 | jnwhiteh | just copy the wow directory |
| 10:05.23 | Fisker | btw yay jnwhiteh |
| 10:05.29 | Fisker | i bought an xbox, got a free powercord!11 |
| 10:05.31 | jnwhiteh | get rid of the patches and updates |
| 10:05.34 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: yay! |
| 10:05.56 | Fisker | i was like "EU Power Cord? Shit i didn't purchase that, i got enough powercords as it is" |
| 10:06.13 | Fisker | Then it said 0,00 and i was like weeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 10:06.37 | Fisker | which reminds me of how much i hate stores that have cables |
| 10:06.52 | Fisker | "sorry this 1 meter usb cable is 50000000000 dkk, twice that if you want 2 meters" |
| 10:06.54 | msoul | jnwhiteh: copying everything under WoW |
| 10:07.05 | jnwhiteh | yes, that works. |
| 10:07.17 | Fisker | Actually funny when my parents bought a printer |
| 10:07.24 | msoul | what patches and updates that you suggested to get rid of though? |
| 10:07.26 | sioraiocht | Fisker: It's the same in the UK |
| 10:07.29 | Fisker | 2 ink cartridges and a usb cable cost more than the printer |
| 10:07.31 | Fisker | lolol |
| 10:07.38 | sioraiocht | 2 meter usb cable? that'll be 25 quid |
| 10:07.42 | jnwhiteh | msoul: any of the patch files, cache files, WTF, update directory, etc. |
| 10:07.43 | sioraiocht | *eyes bulge* |
| 10:07.46 | jnwhiteh | all you need is the base install |
| 10:07.59 | msoul | I see |
| 10:08.00 | sioraiocht | jnwhiteh and I nearly died when we first came to the UK and tried to buy ethernet cables |
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| 10:08.25 | msoul | jnwhiteh: was painful a year ago when i had to babysit and keep pressing "update" |
| 10:08.33 | Fisker | you know those DVI->VGA adapters that you get buttloads of in your graphics card purchases? |
| 10:08.35 | jnwhiteh | well you dont have to do tat either any more |
| 10:08.37 | msoul | babysit the computer that is |
| 10:08.38 | jnwhiteh | put in your wrath disk |
| 10:08.41 | Fisker | i figured, "hey that can't be expensive" (had thrown all mine away and needed one for another monitor" |
| 10:08.44 | Fisker | )* |
| 10:08.46 | jnwhiteh | and after the first tools update it should go automatically if you want. |
| 10:08.47 | msoul | ohh |
| 10:08.56 | Fisker | Turns out that damn adapter was 50⬠|
| 10:09.03 | msoul | jnwhiteh: will do that definitely |
| 10:09.09 | sioraiocht | Fisker: I am pretty sure every time you throw out a cable, the EU environmental commission kills an angel |
| 10:09.29 | Fisker | :3 |
| 10:09.47 | Thrae | Fisker: They're about $1 unless you go to a brick & mortar store for one, then they're about $10. |
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| 10:10.29 | Arrowmaster | everything is more expensive when sold separately |
| 10:10.34 | Fisker | Thrae had no other choice |
| 10:10.55 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Not always |
| 10:11.33 | Fisker | and still they're about 20⬠when i look online |
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| 10:20.11 | harl | hi |
| 10:22.04 | Fisker | blows harl the fuck up |
| 10:22.10 | Fisker | spammer |
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| 11:02.38 | Torhal | shoots Fisker full of Ketamine. |
| 11:07.10 | Pneumatus | with our luck that would have the opposite desired effect :< |
| 11:11.48 | haste | ah, the thought of that made me giggle slightly |
| 11:12.01 | haste | now I feel slightly embarrased |
| 11:12.20 | haste | sssssssssss |
| 11:19.01 | Fisker | Anyone know if it's true that the XT pet in the US had the voices disabled? |
| 11:19.28 | Torhal | It does |
| 11:19.30 | Torhal | It's HORRIBLE |
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| 11:28.35 | Pneumatus | without its voice it would just a permanent train wrecker :< |
| 11:29.45 | Fisker | well someone is claiming that they hotfixed out the voice |
| 11:29.46 | Fisker | which sucks |
| 11:30.00 | Gintaro | Bah, my hands are killing me after crushing all those cans! |
| 11:30.09 | Fisker | if they do that i'm seriously considering getting a refund |
| 11:30.23 | jnwhiteh | qq |
| 11:30.34 | zenzio | blue posts say they temporarily hotfixed out the sounds |
| 11:30.48 | zenzio | becuase a hotfix can't change their voice from "everyone can hear" to "only owner can hear" |
| 11:31.01 | Fisker | !care(); |
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| 11:31.35 | zenzio | foiled again by Syngery's latency |
| 11:32.03 | Fisker | should've thought about that before they released it yet |
| 11:32.18 | Fisker | it then* |
| 11:32.40 | haste | I barely notice the latency synergy has |
| 11:34.58 | zenzio | haste: I only notice it when the control key is "stuck" on for a moment... typically enough for me to hit ctrl+w |
| 11:35.09 | zenzio | but it could be the office network |
| 11:35.50 | haste | I'd blame it on that |
| 11:35.56 | haste | I don't notice it at home at least |
| 11:36.11 | haste | and at work I use two laptop, so no synergy here :p |
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| 12:03.33 | Fisker | don't cry for haste |
| 12:04.19 | haste | Fisker: shake shake shake! shake shake shake! shake your volcano~ shake your volcano! |
| 12:06.31 | Elkano | Fisker, how is Madballs? |
| 12:07.40 | Fisker | kinda boring |
| 12:12.50 | sioraiocht | haste, Fisker, was the ashcloud visible for you guys at all? |
| 12:12.57 | Fisker | not that i noticed |
| 12:13.09 | sioraiocht | nor here |
| 12:13.14 | sioraiocht | am a bit disappointed |
| 12:13.23 | sioraiocht | I wanted some apocalypitc rain of brimstone or something |
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| 12:17.11 | haste | sioraiocht: we can't really see it, but all flights are cancelled :P |
| 12:17.17 | sioraiocht | haste: yeah here too =p |
| 12:17.24 | sioraiocht | although didn't they open up oslo yesterday? |
| 12:18.06 | zenzio | actually, most domestic flights are flying again today here |
| 12:18.18 | haste | yeh, but they'll probably close again soon |
| 12:18.26 | zenzio | this evening, yes |
| 12:18.35 | Torhal | Elkano: I started on the sort-type revamp in ARL. |
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| 12:18.50 | Elkano | oh ^^ |
| 12:19.55 | Torhal | Aye - I'm going to do away with "Location", "Acquisition", etc as sort types and simply use "Ascending" and "Descending". The other "sort-types" are now considered view modes, and can be accessed from tabs at the bottom of the panel. |
| 12:20.21 | Torhal | A preliminary version is in the latest alpha. |
| 12:21.32 | Elkano | I think you don't need asc/desc at all... just let them click the tab again |
| 12:22.07 | Torhal | I'd have to re-do it, since I'm using :Enable() and :Disable(). |
| 12:22.10 | Fisker | YES |
| 12:22.12 | Fisker | this is fucking rich |
| 12:22.14 | Torhal | Anywho: Bedtime. |
| 12:22.18 | Torhal | WAY past due. |
| 12:22.27 | Elkano | oyasumi nasai! |
| 12:22.40 | Fisker | Someone quoted a blue stating they were looking into the XT issue, then said that "Blizzard should use some of their money to look into it and fix it" |
| 12:22.52 | Fisker | Then i quoted the blue becaues he obviously missed the part where they said they were looking into it |
| 12:23.44 | olafski | fascinating |
| 12:23.46 | Fisker | So now i asked about the hotfix if it silenced the pet totally, and the blue said it(the final fix) was intended to only work for you or your party, and now he quoted that blue as if i had misread it |
| 12:23.48 | Fisker | but i didn't |
| 12:23.51 | Fisker | so 2-0 to me |
| 12:23.59 | Fisker | trolling is a art olafski |
| 12:24.41 | Gintaro | All this, for a pet |
| 12:24.42 | olafski | call it trolling all you want, I'm pretty sure you really care :P |
| 12:24.55 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13200290638&sid=1#15 <-pwnt |
| 12:25.03 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13200301004&sid=1#7 <-double-pwnt |
| 12:25.12 | Gintaro | And people wonder why blues are hesitant to reply |
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| 12:45.38 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:45.44 | Fisker | can't even queue as dps only without becoming tank |
| 12:45.55 | Fisker | joined a HC with a feral druid that had 32k hp in bear form |
| 12:47.41 | ZorbaTHut | oh no only 32k |
| 12:47.48 | ZorbaTHut | how could you possibly tank a heroic with such little health |
| 12:48.05 | olafski | impossible I tell you! |
| 12:48.07 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, what is that, naxx gear? |
| 12:48.15 | ZorbaTHut | pretty sure nobody ever did a heroic with naxx gear, ha ha |
| 12:48.21 | olafski | I started tanking heroics on my warrior yesterday, who became lvl 80 yesterday.. he has about 25k hp now |
| 12:48.29 | olafski | (27 with commanding shout) |
| 12:48.40 | olafski | no complaints so far =) |
| 12:48.43 | zenzio | people should QQ less |
| 12:48.49 | zenzio | when I hit 80 I wasn't even crit immune |
| 12:48.56 | zenzio | and we still did Naxxramas that night |
| 12:49.22 | olafski | :) |
| 12:49.28 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, but you had ilvl245 gear, right? I mean you'd been doing the LFD daily dungeon while leveling up so you had a bunch of triumph emblems |
| 12:49.34 | Fisker | no ZorbaTHut |
| 12:49.36 | ZorbaTHut | obviously so because there is no way you could have done naxx otherwise |
| 12:49.47 | Fisker | that's not naxx gear |
| 12:49.59 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: I appreciate your joke, but in fact it was about one week after WotLK release =) |
| 12:50.10 | olafski | I remember one of the druids in my guild bragging about his 38k hp when we were doing naxx |
| 12:50.13 | Fisker | and no he can't tank it when all of the dps so much outgears his gear |
| 12:50.18 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I guessed, otherwise you wouldn't have been bothering with naxx ;) |
| 12:50.27 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, you might have to slow down DPS a bit! |
| 12:50.33 | olafski | 32k seems very much fine for heroics and probably works for naxx too |
| 12:50.33 | Fisker | So either we have 3 people doing no dps, and he can tank successfully, or i go tank and all people can do dps |
| 12:50.35 | ZorbaTHut | or just *tank it yourself* because goddamn it's a heroic, you can 5-dps it today |
| 12:50.46 | Fisker | that's why i tanked it myself |
| 12:50.53 | zenzio | Fisker: so which instance was this? |
| 12:51.01 | Fisker | VH |
| 12:51.10 | ZorbaTHut | and by "tank it yourself" I mean "get hit in the face in fury or frost or cat form or whatever the form is that you're using for dpsing" |
| 12:51.46 | Fisker | in VH i can almost rival my dps in prot anyway :P |
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| 13:10.35 | Fisker | windows media player is fucking stupid |
| 13:10.47 | Fisker | apparently it thinks all my .mkv's are 0 seconds |
| 13:11.05 | Fisker | so i can't use seek if i open the .mkv through WMP |
| 13:11.12 | Fisker | but i can if i open it in WMP through explorer |
| 13:11.13 | Fisker | hurrdurr? |
| 13:11.33 | ZorbaTHut | time to update your codecs |
| 13:12.47 | Fisker | it is the newest version |
| 13:12.48 | zenzio | why are you using WMP? |
| 13:13.00 | Fisker | and i don't think it's considered a coded |
| 13:13.02 | Fisker | codec* |
| 13:13.40 | Fisker | Because sofar it's the only non-shitty player with proper hardware acceleration |
| 13:13.42 | Zyonin | mkv is a container format like avi or ogg |
| 13:13.46 | ZorbaTHut | WMP doesn't have built-in .mkv support in any fashion |
| 13:14.00 | ZorbaTHut | however you're intending for it to read .mkv, it's either via codec, or it won't at all |
| 13:14.50 | Fisker | or maybe that's the issue |
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| 13:15.42 | Zyonin | For mkv support in Windows hit http://www.matroska.org/downloads/windows.html |
| 13:17.02 | Zyonin | The best codec pack that enables WMP to open mkv containers seems to be CCCP. Here is a blurb from the Matroska site: Almost all you need to play .mkv (matroska video) and .mka (matroska audio) files under DirectShow players, such as Windows Mediaplayer, MPC, Zoomplayer and TCMP (see above). To see an updated list of what these packs contain, look at the ReadMe on the site. |
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| 13:22.46 | Fisker | But directshow isn't hardware accelerated is it? |
| 13:23.00 | Fisker | I'm using some mkv shit from divx using media foundation to get DXVA enabled |
| 13:24.21 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/koulu/Kuva009.jpg |
| 13:24.26 | mikma | school is fun |
| 13:25.02 | Zyn | those are fun, we used to have one at my grandfather farm and we fucked around with it |
| 13:25.40 | Zyn | but then my cousin got too frisky and spun around until it tipped over .. since then, you could only start it by hotwiring |
| 13:25.47 | Zyonin | DirectShow is hardware accelerated however you still need the codec support |
| 13:26.31 | Fisker | well i've had CCCP for some time |
| 13:26.51 | Arrowmaster | get coreavc, it has proper hardware acceleration afaik |
| 13:26.52 | Fisker | but i was pretty sure it was cpu accelerated O_o |
| 13:27.06 | Kraps | http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010/04/video_games_can_never_be_art.html |
| 13:27.10 | Arrowmaster | DXVA is not proper hardware acceleration, its just crap |
| 13:27.13 | Kraps | tl;dr |
| 13:27.34 | Fisker | oh u Arrowmaster |
| 13:27.58 | Zyonin | Then you are generally good to go. CCCP uses the FFDShow codec packs |
| 13:27.59 | Arrowmaster | DXVA only works if the video fits some very strict specifications |
| 13:28.28 | Arrowmaster | i used CCCP plus CoreAVC when i was still using windows |
| 13:28.46 | Zyonin | When I using Windows I played most videos via Media Player Classic with the CCCP pack. |
| 13:28.50 | Fisker | if movies can be art, so can games Kraps |
| 13:28.58 | Fisker | Yeah it's also working fine Zyonin |
| 13:29.04 | Zyonin | Now that I use Windows, I have all I need built into Xine and GStreamer |
| 13:29.12 | zenzio | I wish I could find out how to make my linux (Xfce? VLC? Nvidia drivers?) abide by vsync |
| 13:29.18 | Fisker | I just found out that if i open a movie through WMP's library, then it thinks the movie is 0 seconds, and won't let me seek through it |
| 13:29.25 | Zyonin | Opps that should have read "Now that I use Linux". Do'oh! |
| 13:29.27 | Fisker | But if i open a file on it's own it works just fine |
| 13:29.42 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: do you have compositing enabled? |
| 13:30.04 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: not sure. Think so |
| 13:30.37 | Arrowmaster | video playback tears on the nvidia drivers with compositing enabled |
| 13:30.47 | zenzio | I'll have to check when I get home |
| 13:30.53 | zenzio | that could be the problem |
| 13:31.03 | zenzio | thanks for the tip! |
| 13:31.10 | Kraps | wow, Ebert likes Death at a Funeral and doesnt like Kick-Ass |
| 13:31.16 | Zyonin | Hmm, something to think about when I finally rebuild this rust bucket of a PC |
| 13:32.09 | Zyonin | I have always had playback issues when I have compositing enabled. Now I don't bother with compositing for now. It looks pretty but I hate stuttering |
| 13:33.39 | Arrowmaster | i dont know of other drivers have better video playback with compositing enabled, i just know the nvidia ones disable a few things when compositing is enabled |
| 13:35.15 | Gintaro | mplayer > xine |
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| 13:36.23 | Zyonin | I have got mplayer around on my system, however for most things I just use Totem. Unless is something really strange, then I pull up VLC |
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| 13:38.03 | Arrowmaster | i only use smplayer |
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| 13:38.52 | Arrowmaster | and now im going to sleep |
| 13:39.54 | Zyonin | I will have to head out the door soon. Almost time to fetch the kid from school |
| 13:42.22 | Wobin | http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/journalism/testq.htm |
| 13:44.37 | Gintaro | smplayer is indeed the best front-end for mplayer |
| 13:45.33 | Gintaro | I know the andwer to Q8 ! |
| 13:45.37 | Gintaro | None of the Above! |
| 13:46.34 | Zyonin | Well, I will check out smplayer. Damn, it's so easy to get stuff on Linux. |
| 13:47.10 | Gintaro | And the rest of the words mean nothing to me |
| 13:48.12 | Wobin | also, a classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKKlhYF53w&feature=player_embedded |
| 13:50.13 | Zyonin | Hmm, to bad smplayer is QT based as it does not intergrate with my GTK theme. |
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| 13:51.08 | Gintaro | GTK is fail |
| 13:53.08 | Zyonin | KDE is nice, however with my old system KDE is a bit heavy. Thus I use an Openbox/GTK based setup |
| 13:54.21 | Zyonin | Plus, Plasma and I have not gotten along in the last couple of months. I think some update broke something and thus Plasma is Crash City. |
| 13:55.29 | haste | I'd take GTK over Qt anyday |
| 13:55.54 | haste | but I'd also take app functionality I like over something I don't anyday |
| 13:56.19 | Kraps | anyone watching human target? |
| 13:56.54 | Kraps | the finnaly is pretty win |
| 13:57.44 | Zyonin | Thus far I have not run into any app functionality issues with GTK. Then again, I am a developer. However my current setup works quite nicely and is darn fast |
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| 14:20.33 | Fisker | you ! |
| 14:20.47 | Fisker | well updating my codecs only made me lose audio |
| 14:20.51 | Fisker | thanks for the halp! |
| 14:20.51 | Fisker | :3 |
| 14:24.08 | haste | l2use mplayer |
| 14:25.19 | Fisker | mplayer sucks |
| 14:25.50 | haste | Fisker sucks |
| 14:26.03 | Fisker | haste sucks |
| 14:37.01 | Wobin | http://i.imgur.com/9Ykqh.jpg |
| 14:40.13 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk, http://books.google.com/books?id=aT8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA141#v=onepage&q&f=false |
| 14:47.50 | Fisker | old Wobin |
| 14:48.13 | Wobin | Magnet Kitty is never old |
| 14:48.17 | Wobin | Magnet Kitty will live forever |
| 14:49.11 | Fisker | i hate you Wobin |
| 14:49.22 | Wobin | That's alright |
| 14:49.25 | Wobin | Magnet Kitty loves me |
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| 15:03.09 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16513-LinkMaker.html << It'd be really surprising if this worked. |
| 15:04.42 | Fisker | i believe it works on private servers |
| 15:04.49 | Fisker | as it doesn't really check the messages coming through |
| 15:04.51 | Fisker | aka epic ban |
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| 15:05.50 | Wobin | it pretends to use item 383010 or something |
| 15:06.36 | foxlit | See, if it did that, I'd say, "Pity it doesn't work" rather than the original comment |
| 15:06.56 | foxlit | [client validates outgoing item links, you cannot mess with those] |
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| 15:18.46 | Fisker | baww foxlit |
| 15:19.05 | foxlit | Fisker? |
| 15:19.14 | Fisker | bawwww |
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| 15:25.56 | foxlit | Instant disconnect. |
| 15:27.19 | zenzelezz | "Theory: The wireless zero configuration service saw another access point and said, "Hey, that access point over there looks much nicer than then one I'm currently connected to. I'm going to drop my current connection and see if maybe that other access point will go out with me." And then it went up to that other access point and asked it out on a date. When the other access point said no, it came crawling back to the original acc |
| 15:27.19 | zenzelezz | ess point." |
| 15:27.22 | zenzelezz | o_O |
| 15:29.00 | Fisker | i hate that zenzelezz |
| 15:31.11 | Cide | clearly you need another wireless card for redundancy |
| 15:31.37 | Kaso | you should use the wireless some configuration services |
| 15:31.46 | Kaso | then you can configure it to use the one you want ;p |
| 15:31.56 | zenzelezz | this story was about early WinXP |
| 15:32.12 | zenzelezz | author claims the problem was either fixed or just went away |
| 15:33.07 | Fisker | In Vista WZCS caused disconnects |
| 15:33.12 | Fisker | i think they fixed it though |
| 15:33.18 | Fisker | atleast in windows 7 |
| 15:33.32 | DWSR | It's /better/ now. |
| 15:33.32 | Fisker | not using wirless since i'm not a huge retard though |
| 15:33.33 | Fisker | :3 |
| 15:33.36 | DWSR | It's still not great. |
| 15:33.53 | DWSR | Though, it's at the point now where I use the WZCS instead of any manufacturer utilities. |
| 15:34.29 | DWSR | And there's nothing wrong with Wireless. There's a time and a place for it. People just need to realize that the technology behind it has not progressed to the point where that time and place is "every single second of every single day" |
| 15:35.14 | DWSR | is proud of self. |
| 15:35.20 | DWSR | I just made a minimalist UI. |
| 15:35.37 | olafski | alt+z |
| 15:35.42 | Fisker | you can still configure wireless even with the zero configuration off i believe |
| 15:35.56 | Kaso | i'd like to see a maximalist ui for once |
| 15:36.08 | Kaso | every peice of information that can be possibly presented to me, on the screen at once |
| 15:36.21 | Fisker | I know someone who had an ui like that once |
| 15:36.31 | Fisker | He had _everything_ on a second monitor |
| 15:36.39 | Fisker | Then just the basics on the primary monitor |
| 15:36.49 | DWSR | Kaso: My warlock's UI is like that. |
| 15:37.01 | Fisker | can't imagine that could've been pleasant to play |
| 15:37.09 | zenzelezz | I keep getting my wireless cables tangled up :( |
| 15:37.17 | DWSR | My resto druid has a super minimal UI. MY DK tank is somewhere in the middle and my warlock is some maximal. |
| 15:37.30 | DWSR | s/some m/m/ |
| 15:37.39 | Fisker | i find wireless useless for a desktop |
| 15:37.53 | DWSR | IT is. |
| 15:37.56 | Fisker | unless it's for leeching someone elses internet when you don't have any yourself |
| 15:37.57 | DWSR | I have a laptop thoug |
| 15:38.10 | DWSR | s/oug/ough/ |
| 15:38.20 | DWSR | Test. |
| 15:38.29 | DWSR | s/t/tes/ |
| 15:38.43 | DWSR | Hrm, thought there was a limit on how small the match condition was. |
| 15:38.57 | Fisker | cock |
| 15:39.03 | Fisker | s/c/cu/ |
| 15:42.16 | Fisker | Anyway having a laptop for it is fine |
| 15:42.20 | Fisker | Because it's mobile durr |
| 15:42.40 | foxlit | Fisker want admit to his secret lust for an iPad. |
| 15:42.40 | Fisker | Have an access point just for my mobile or in case i have a laptop over that i need to fix |
| 15:42.44 | foxlit | s/wa/wo/ |
| 15:42.50 | Fisker | naw foxlit |
| 15:42.50 | Fisker | NAW |
| 15:43.12 | Fisker | foxlit offer me a bullet in the head or an ipad |
| 15:43.14 | foxlit | I believe that only confirms my observation. |
| 15:43.15 | Fisker | i'd take the bullet! |
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| 15:50.25 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:51.05 | DWSR | station |
| 15:52.38 | Cide | station |
| 15:54.17 | Fisker | busstop |
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| 15:58.02 | Kaso | SW |
| 15:58.06 | Kaso | DWSR: even |
| 15:58.15 | Kaso | How is your healer the most minimalistic of your UIs? |
| 15:58.17 | Kaso | seems backwards |
| 15:59.59 | DWSR | No castbars. |
| 16:00.00 | DWSR | No threat meters. |
| 16:00.04 | DWSR | etc. etc. etc. etc. |
| 16:00.22 | DWSR | No action bars. |
| 16:00.27 | DWSR | Well, no visible action bars. |
| 16:01.00 | DWSR | Grid, Player/Target frame, minimap, chat frame. |
| 16:01.53 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: not positive yet, but it looks like turning off compositing did solve the tearing video problem |
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| 16:04.03 | DWSR | Kaso: My Grid has lots of information on it. |
| 16:04.07 | DWSR | And other than that, I don't really need much else. |
| 16:04.27 | Lunessa | http://graphjam.com/2010/04/18/funny-graphs-winrar-trial-expiration/ |
| 16:05.20 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/13200611529/funny-real-world-macros/ |
| 16:05.53 | Kaso | i always like to have my grid big though |
| 16:06.01 | Kaso | you know, Fitts' law and stuff |
| 16:06.25 | Kraps | Lunessa: i dont even open it, i the windows right click menu |
| 16:06.48 | Lunessa | Kraps: It just made me laugh is all. |
| 16:06.52 | DWSR | Kraps: Win. |
| 16:07.40 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 16:07.53 | DWSR | I'm thinking I will be increasing the scale of my Grid. |
| 16:08.01 | DWSR | Not by much, but it is a little smal to read, atm. |
| 16:08.35 | Kaso | also grid in pvp always starts to get a little out of control |
| 16:08.35 | DWSR | s/smal/small/ |
| 16:08.43 | Kaso | lord knows how i used to heal 40 people in raids >< |
| 16:09.18 | Lunessa | 40-man raid frames = UGH. |
| 16:09.20 | DWSR | lol |
| 16:09.24 | DWSR | Kaso: I'd use a range filter. |
| 16:09.28 | DWSR | And just hide people who are out of range. |
| 16:10.30 | DWSR | Also, when 40 people were in raids, you had like double the number of healers that you do now. |
| 16:10.44 | DWSR | And you were usually only responsible for your group of 5. |
| 16:12.30 | DWSR | Or a tank. |
| 16:12.30 | Lunessa | Yeah, I usually hide everything past 25, but once I started doing BGs I found that being able to monitor the battle via health status was kind of useful to me, but still a block of 40 health bars is UGLY. |
| 16:12.39 | DWSR | I have it on 40 with my DK tank. |
| 16:12.40 | DWSR | It's not bad. |
| 16:12.57 | DWSR | Most of it is noise though |
| 16:13.03 | DWSR | since I can't heal anyone. |
| 16:17.27 | DWSR | Is it just me, or do all of the instances you do while leveling become /super/ easy from LFD |
| 16:18.01 | ZorbaTHut | they were pretty dang easy even before LFD |
| 16:18.55 | DWSR | I suppose you're right |
| 16:18.59 | DWSR | Now they just seem more retard proof. |
| 16:22.45 | Kraps | http://graphjam.com/2010/04/03/funny-graphs-practical-colon/ |
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| 16:32.13 | olafski | think the 5% hp/damage really helps that much? |
| 16:32.16 | olafski | or is it something else |
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| 16:42.20 | DWSR | olafski: 5% buff + prevelance of BoAs, I think. |
| 16:46.43 | Lunessa | Holy hell. Really people, how hard is it to remember a password you use every damned day? |
| 16:47.14 | Grum | are they actually using it? ;) |
| 16:48.09 | Lunessa | Grum. I get angry with the ones who tell me "I login every day, YOU must have changed my password!" Seriousy? Dude? Party less if you can't remember your fucking password from Firday to Monday. |
| 16:48.26 | DWSR | Lunessa: Firday? |
| 16:48.26 | Grum | :D |
| 16:48.29 | DWSR | Is that a holiday? |
| 16:48.45 | Lunessa | Typonese, do you speak it? |
| 16:48.52 | DWSR | Nope. :P |
| 16:49.03 | Lunessa | :P |
| 16:49.05 | DWSR | Relax. |
| 16:49.11 | DWSR | There are worse things in life than annoying customers. |
| 16:49.16 | DWSR | Internet trolls being one. |
| 16:49.32 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, 5% hp/damage, BoAs, Cataclysm game mechanics/talents, rebalanced and improved classic drop stats, soem nerfed dungeons overall as I remember |
| 16:50.02 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 16:50.13 | DWSR | The whole "improved regen and lower mana costs" while leveling thing is pretty overpowered. |
| 16:50.30 | ZorbaTHut | s/overpowered/balanced to a different level than before/ |
| 16:51.03 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut, I get tanks to pull SM GY from the beginning to the end at once. |
| 16:51.18 | DWSR | That is overpowered. |
| 16:53.37 | DWSR | and yes, it's still level appropriate (i.e. yellow). |
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| 16:56.46 | ZorbaTHut | s/overpowered/not the game balance I am used to/ |
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| 17:03.27 | olafski | zorbathut: wotlk talents I guess you mean =) |
| 17:03.33 | DWSR | No |
| 17:03.41 | olafski | what cataclysm mechanics are already in then =( |
| 17:03.43 | DWSR | The Cataclysm changes that they've already implemented. |
| 17:03.50 | DWSR | sec |
| 17:03.58 | ZorbaTHut | oh right, wotlk talents :D |
| 17:03.59 | olafski | but you asked if dungeons becamse easier from LFD |
| 17:04.03 | olafski | BoAs were already in before LFD |
| 17:04.12 | olafski | became* |
| 17:04.27 | ZorbaTHut | I think *most* of the "omg dungeons are easier" just comes from the fact that nobody regularly did classic dungeons since 2.0 or so |
| 17:04.33 | olafski | yeah |
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| 17:04.43 | olafski | wasn't everything in vanilla nerfed when TBC came? |
| 17:04.44 | ZorbaTHut | and that they've been gradually getting easier since then, partially to (unsuccessfully) encourage people to do 'em |
| 17:04.48 | olafski | I wasn't there when TBC came so dunno |
| 17:04.54 | ZorbaTHut | it actually wouldn't surprise me if they went back and made classic dungeons harder in Cataclysm |
| 17:05.12 | DWSR | why? |
| 17:05.32 | olafski | whatthemovie.com is addictive :( |
| 17:05.46 | ZorbaTHut | for the exact reason you mentioned - some of them can be pretty much chainpulled by anyone who's remotely competent, and even by many people who aren't |
| 17:05.57 | ZorbaTHut | they're not challenging in any sense, and at least a modicum of challenge helps with fun |
| 17:06.26 | ZorbaTHut | now that they no longer need to encourage people to do 'em, they're free to notch the difficulty up a little bit, so that they're at least not just killfests. |
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| 17:06.42 | Fierceflame | Hey :D |
| 17:06.59 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Hence, overpowered or woefully unbalanced. |
| 17:07.13 | olafski | would be nice if they were a bit more challenging yeah |
| 17:07.16 | olafski | they were fine in vanilla :( |
| 17:07.43 | Fierceflame | Anyone knows if there exists an addon that removes the arrows/dots that indicate groupmembers on miminmap, so I can play hide and seekw ith the guild xD |
| 17:08.02 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, you're claiming "overpowered" without claiming it to be overpowered relative to anything |
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| 17:08.12 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's somewhat unfun, but it's not like it's overpowered relative to some standard |
| 17:09.24 | DWSR | Of course it is. This content is supposed to provide a challenge that give you experience, (i.e. the whole leveling up process). |
| 17:09.51 | DWSR | If it doesn't provide a challenge, the characters are too overpowered relative to the tuning of the content. |
| 17:12.06 | DWSR | BoAs and the LFD buff serve to lessen the challenge pretty significantly. After that, the changes that they've already made for Cataclysm serve to pretty much make anything in Classic and much of OL a total bore. |
| 17:12.20 | DWSR | s/bore/killfest/ |
| 17:12.25 | DWSR | It's /too/ easy. |
| 17:12.46 | DWSR | I understand that Blizzard wants WoW to have a leveling curve that's very forgiving, but this isn't even a curve. |
| 17:14.05 | DWSR | This is like the basics of playing a Pyro in TF2. |
| 17:14.07 | DWSR | W+M1. |
| 17:14.22 | olafski | so which cata changes are already in? |
| 17:14.23 | Cide | lol |
| 17:14.26 | Cide | that's ignorant at best |
| 17:14.39 | Cide | pyro takes a lot more skill than that to play |
| 17:14.49 | DWSR | Cide: Of course it does. |
| 17:14.54 | DWSR | I play a Pyro as my main class. |
| 17:14.57 | Cide | maybe not compared to demoman, but /shrug |
| 17:15.05 | DWSR | Good pyros are very hard to kill. |
| 17:15.08 | alestane | Heirlooms and LFD are also mostly provided to facilitate leveling alts of people who have already experienced it and want quick access to higher-level content. |
| 17:15.36 | DWSR | Cide: But the basics of playing a pyro is pretty straight forward. |
| 17:15.49 | Cide | most classes are |
| 17:15.49 | alestane | That's why the heirloom buffs are not heirloom buffs and not adjustments to the baseline numbers. |
| 17:15.51 | DWSR | s/is/are/ |
| 17:16.19 | DWSR | Cide: Demoman, Spy, Scout, Engineer. |
| 17:16.26 | DWSR | Those all aren't. |
| 17:16.36 | Cide | demoman basics are simple |
| 17:16.40 | Cide | same with scout |
| 17:16.51 | Cide | but playing them well is a bit more difficult than the other classes arguably |
| 17:17.15 | DWSR | I play 32man payload rotation on a regular basis. |
| 17:17.22 | DWSR | You want to talk about a hard environment for a pyro. |
| 17:21.47 | Cide | sounds pretty difficult yeah |
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| 17:30.13 | Fisker | Cidemen |
| 17:36.21 | olafski | so.. which cataclysm changes are already in? |
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| 17:39.46 | Gintaro | where was the blog post about the alot creature |
| 17:40.20 | olafski | http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=alot+creature |
| 17:44.40 | Fisker | what do you mean olafski ? |
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| 17:48.15 | olafski | fisker: dwsr claimed more than once that some cataclysm changes are already implemented, which make leveling dungeons easier.. I'm just wondering what they are |
| 17:48.48 | DWSR | olafski: I can't remember which patch they are in, but they made low level spells cost significantly less. |
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| 17:49.07 | DWSR | Also, they made health regen and mana regen at lower levels a lot higher. |
| 17:49.15 | olafski | up to level 15 |
| 17:49.28 | olafski | which is when you can use the LFD tool =) |
| 17:49.38 | DWSR | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html |
| 17:49.42 | olafski | the spell cost thing might be true though.. haven't really followed that |
| 17:49.43 | Fisker | I don't see what that's got to do with cataclysm |
| 17:49.56 | olafski | yeah I'd call those wotlk changes :) |
| 17:49.58 | DWSR | Fisker: They're redoing the leveling experience in Cata, those are some of the preliminary changes. |
| 17:50.26 | Fisker | So when they reduced the amount of experience required from 60-70 that was a Cataclysm change as well? |
| 17:51.45 | olafski | heirlooms too! |
| 17:54.23 | alestane | It's been an issue since BC that each expansion extends the total time needed to reach "endgame" content. |
| 17:54.56 | alestane | The outland leveling curve was softened in 3.0 IIRC to mitigate that effect. |
| 17:55.38 | Fisker | i know that |
| 17:55.46 | olafski | yes.. that doesn't make any of this a cataclysm change though |
| 17:56.05 | Fisker | I just don't see how a fix particular aimed at classes with downtime issues is specifically made due to cataclysm |
| 17:56.16 | olafski | the amount of xp needed for each level in 1-60 was lowered when tbc came too iirc |
| 17:59.08 | foxlit | The horse *does* confer an in-game advantage! |
| 17:59.29 | foxlit | When the client bugs out in Krasus' Landing and won't let you mount any flying mounts, the horse works! |
| 17:59.32 | foxlit | <3 the horse. |
| 18:00.04 | Gnarfoz | the same probably applies to the other adaptable mounts like the headless horseman's |
| 18:00.25 | Gnarfoz | also, fixing that situation is super easy anyway. just run back in and back out. |
| 18:02.31 | Fisker | ^^ foxlit |
| 18:02.37 | Fisker | also you get free mounts on every char |
| 18:05.43 | olafski | yeah saves you tons of money for each char you make |
| 18:06.06 | foxlit | I question your definition of tons |
| 18:06.13 | foxlit | More than one night's worth of my repair bills? |
| 18:06.13 | olafski | yeah me too |
| 18:06.31 | olafski | I don't feel like calculating what 4 mounts cost :( |
| 18:07.26 | olafski | 161g it seems, without reputation discounts |
| 18:07.31 | olafski | damn now I calculated it after all |
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| 18:08.34 | foxlit | Peanuts compared to the 5k you'll need for that last skill. |
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| 18:08.59 | foxlit | Also, two wipe nights of repair funds :) |
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| 18:10.40 | olafski | yeah |
| 18:10.47 | olafski | money is peanuts nowadays anyway |
| 18:16.07 | olafski | .. I hit 80 with 3500g the other day, no other chars on that realm |
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| 18:37.43 | Kraps | allowed or not? http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/tradeforwarder.aspx |
| 18:38.29 | Seerah | what do you mean? |
| 18:39.01 | Kraps | trade chat mod(ish) |
| 18:42.31 | Maldivia | why should it not be allowed? all it does it forward trade spam to a hidden global channel, that people not in cities read |
| 18:44.29 | Kraps | didnt know it worked like that |
| 18:45.16 | Maldivia | well, what did you think it did for it to not be allowed+ |
| 18:45.23 | Fisker | madcuzbad? |
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| 19:07.39 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13200221660&postId=131993243878&sid=1#6 <-did i just get trolled? :( |
| 19:07.50 | haste | yes |
| 19:08.18 | Dagmar | It's liable to get bonked tho if it becomes a problem. If Blizz had wanted Trade to be visible everywhere, it would be a universal channel |
| 19:08.48 | Dagmar | The key bit being "if it becomes a problem" |
| 19:09.06 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/steve_jobs_is_piiiiiiissed_new.php |
| 19:09.08 | Fisker | i don't think Blizzard have an issue with it being visible everywhere |
| 19:09.29 | Dagmar | They might have an issue if something goes wrong and it results in flooding |
| 19:09.31 | Fisker | probably the amount of communication in the channel if it was available everywhere they're worried about |
| 19:09.52 | Fisker | and possibly the impact it can have on a new player to have his chat spammed when he logs in for the first time |
| 19:10.14 | olafski | yay I made all 4 people leave my random heroic group |
| 19:10.21 | Dagmar | yeah because I'm sure they want the first thing for new players to see is anal flooding |
| 19:10.25 | olafski | though to be fair, the first two didn't leave because of me |
| 19:10.53 | Fisker | Well with the addon this behaviour is totally opt-in |
| 19:10.59 | Fisker | so it's not an issue for standard players |
| 19:11.01 | zenzelezz | so what did you do olafski? |
| 19:11.15 | olafski | zenzelezz: one of the dps was rude to the healer, so the healer left |
| 19:11.20 | olafski | then another dps left |
| 19:11.38 | olafski | then the first dps started abusing me so I refused to choose a role :) |
| 19:12.05 | zenzelezz | sounds fair |
| 19:12.13 | olafski | yeah they were really annoying |
| 19:12.32 | olafski | told me to move on etc while the healer was offline, then I was a noob because I didn't move on quickly enough =) |
| 19:13.07 | olafski | not gonna leave a group because of the 30 minute debuff, so I made them leave |
| 19:14.53 | Dagmar | "Where do I click to become a sous-chef?" |
| 19:15.08 | Dagmar | "I'm pretty high. Maybe you shoudl carry on without me." |
| 19:15.17 | Dagmar | There's _lots_ of ways to make people leave. |
| 19:21.50 | olafski | :)) |
| 19:25.49 | cog|away | "The handle to a window is one of the most important handles that a Windows program handles" |
| 19:26.29 | Seerah | lol |
| 19:27.14 | zenzelezz | cog|away: where's that from? |
| 19:27.43 | cog|away | Programming Windows, 5th edition |
| 19:27.47 | NightHawkTheSane | handles cog|away's windows |
| 19:27.56 | zenzelezz | ah, haven't read that one |
| 19:28.03 | cog|away | granted i left out "(pardon the expression)" but still ... |
| 19:29.24 | zenzelezz | is that Petzold, or am I confusing books? |
| 19:29.30 | cog|away | yes |
| 19:32.06 | Dagmar | That's just a little sad |
| 19:32.54 | zenzelezz | why? |
| 19:33.18 | Dagmar | I'd think the most important handle that a windows program handles would be the close button |
| 19:33.32 | zenzelezz | that's not a handle |
| 19:33.33 | Dagmar | ...followed closely by the button that makes it do something useful for the user. |
| 19:33.43 | zenzelezz | that's a window message sent to the window procedure |
| 19:33.48 | cog|away | you seem to be mixing up "handle" with "handler" |
| 19:34.13 | Dagmar | I'm also baffled as to why it's the apps job to worry about the window decor |
| 19:34.19 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 19:34.25 | zenzelezz | decor? |
| 19:34.32 | Dagmar | Yes, the window outline |
| 19:34.43 | cogwheel | I'm baffled as to why people try to talk about things of which they obviously know very little... |
| 19:34.46 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 19:35.09 | Dagmar | You're right. I know very little about dealing with Win32 interfaces for the same reason I know nothing about diddling little boys. |
| 19:35.22 | zenzelezz | not enough time? |
| 19:35.36 | Fisker | hey zenzelezz |
| 19:35.39 | Dagmar | I did some messing about with it back in '96 and quickly decided it wasn't going to be productive use of my time |
| 19:35.41 | Fisker | but not hey cogwheel |
| 19:35.48 | Fisker | but definitely hey Seerah |
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| 19:36.02 | Seerah | hey Fisker |
| 19:42.38 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/not_so_super_chinese_superhero.php |
| 19:46.50 | Shirik | ow. |
| 19:46.57 | Shirik | The Truth is holy, wholly and hollowly true. |
| 19:47.00 | Shirik | say that 5 times fast |
| 19:47.34 | olafski | mikma: I hate to admit it but that iphone 4g looks pretty nice |
| 19:47.39 | olafski | wonder why they made it more square though |
| 19:47.53 | ZorbaTHut | needed more internal space, I bet |
| 19:48.17 | olafski | hm possibly |
| 19:48.23 | olafski | the page does say the internal components are smaller |
| 19:48.25 | Shirik | it should be a cube imo |
| 19:48.26 | olafski | except the battery is larger |
| 19:48.50 | olafski | looks less sleek this way imo |
| 19:48.52 | durcyn | the rounded corners on the iphone 3g look retarded anyway |
| 19:49.58 | nevcairiel | s/the rounded corners on// |
| 19:50.35 | olafski | camera at the front seems nice |
| 19:50.38 | olafski | how many phones have that? |
| 19:50.51 | olafski | being able to video call only with other iphone users would not be much of an advantage |
| 19:50.58 | nevcairiel | my 4 year old sony ericcson had that |
| 19:51.05 | nevcairiel | its for video calls, but no-one really ever used that |
| 19:51.05 | olafski | hm :P |
| 19:51.16 | nevcairiel | so it was dropped again for a while |
| 19:51.18 | olafski | I've never had a phone with one camera |
| 19:51.19 | olafski | let alone two |
| 19:54.34 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, my *game console* has two cameras |
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| 19:57.09 | Dagmar | Hey there's hope it might do SIP |
| 19:57.54 | Dagmar | ...of course you can expect AT&T to go straight into "ONOES VIDEOPHONES R CLOGGIN OUR WIRELESS" the absolute moment that gets announced tho |
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| 20:00.11 | Lunessa | Cameras in phones - making it easier to shoot porn than ever before. |
| 20:00.55 | zenzelezz | finally you can have actual 18 year olds, not 25-year old pretenders |
| 20:01.19 | Lunessa | Or worse. |
| 20:02.11 | Dagmar | I like how the required clicking sound works |
| 20:02.22 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, well, in fairness, they are! that's a lot of bandwidth, and bandwidth doesn't grow on trees. you have to spend money. and if you spend it, you can't throw it in a big pile and roll around in it, or use it to buy drugs and prostitutes! |
| 20:02.25 | Dagmar | A simple registry change in Windows Mobile puts an end to it |
| 20:02.36 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: This is true |
| 20:02.40 | alestane | And get yourself labelled a level 3 sex offender, Lunessa. |
| 20:02.53 | alestane | For goofing around with your boyfriend. |
| 20:03.03 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: I've already sent about half a dozen emails to various reporters reporting stupid conclusions this week as a result of last week's announcements about wireless net usage being up |
| 20:03.34 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/533575441 |
| 20:03.35 | Lunessa | alestane: No kidding. At some point we really need to revisit the craziness that is the Sex Offender Registration laws. |
| 20:03.36 | ZorbaTHut | I am interested to see if we'll ever reach some kind of a wireless saturation point |
| 20:03.58 | Dagmar | Stuff like makes a *shameful* lack of sense, like "In the last year, wireless usage went up by 200% while subscribership only went up by %60. Clearly this shows the 'all-you-can-eat' pricing tier is unsustainable." |
| 20:04.59 | cogwheel | speaking of wireless usage... i work in a town that voted down free wifi because the nutty crunchers were paranoid about exposure to the radio waves |
| 20:05.19 | Lunessa | Mmmm... radio waves. |
| 20:05.33 | Dagmar | cogwheel: Time to drive the crazies nuts by spreading a rumor about a pirate wireless network |
| 20:05.35 | cogwheel | they voted down wireless electricity meters too for the same reason |
| 20:05.45 | cogwheel | though there are plenty of non-insane reasons to do that |
| 20:05.58 | Dagmar | Stick up a few mysterious do-nothing boxes with antennas on them on some telephone poles |
| 20:06.01 | Lunessa | Not that you can't do horrible things to the human body with them, but really you need massive amounts of power. Not the crap we're already exposed to daily. |
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| 20:06.57 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Sure the grass under most radio antennas never needs mowing, but that's _direclty under the antenna_ |
| 20:07.36 | cogwheel | smells an urban legend coming from Dagmar's general direction |
| 20:07.37 | Lunessa | A friend of mine was in Naval SigInt as a translator many years ago. One of his stations had a blackboard with building coordinates and a time in seconds on it. Finally he asked what it was for... |
| 20:07.57 | Lunessa | The deadpan answer "So we know just how long it would take to fry everyone in those buildings with the array." |
| 20:08.07 | Dagmar | There's an oldies station in Franklin I visited once, and their high-powered antenna is about 50 yards away from the studio bunker. I noted that the chainlink fence around it had a key lock on a chain and the key lock was clearly rusted closed |
| 20:08.19 | Dagmar | I asked "How the hell do you mow inside the fence?" |
| 20:09.19 | ccox | "roundup" and "nevergrow" |
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| 20:10.42 | Dagmar | The DJ said it was one of those things he tried not to think about much |
| 20:10.52 | Dagmar | If they've got a product called nevergrow that would do it |
| 20:11.54 | ccox | there are a couple |
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| 20:12.13 | ccox | when you don't want ANY plants growing somewhere, put that stuff down |
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| 20:12.27 | ccox | (or when you really want to say something nasty in someone else's yard....) |
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| 20:34.06 | Dagmar | Kerosene is good for that. :) |
| 20:34.26 | Lunessa | So is dog piss. |
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| 21:01.24 | Fisker | I AM HERE |
| 21:01.29 | Fisker | what about you Lunessa |
| 21:02.22 | Lunessa | I left hours ago. |
| 21:02.33 | cogwheel | true story |
| 21:06.05 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.07 | Fisker | i don't like you |
| 21:06.11 | Fisker | stares down cogwheel |
| 21:06.29 | cogwheel | awww i don't like you either! *kisskiss* |
| 21:06.36 | Fisker | *grope* |
| 21:06.46 | cogwheel | rawr |
| 21:06.56 | Fisker | awesome |
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| 21:08.59 | Fisker | 19. april 2010 21:21 Ankommet til 708 Ãstjyllands Pakkecenter |
| 21:09.02 | Fisker | you can't stop me cogwheel |
| 21:09.33 | zenzelezz | why did you arrive there? |
| 21:09.34 | Lunessa | cogwheel: getting some hot Fiskerdin action then? |
| 21:18.05 | Ruggiero | I'm trying to use AceTimer-3.0 in my library, but I'm having trouble calling ScheduleRepeatingTimer with a function in lib, I'm getting a 'callback' - function or method name expected, anyone that can help? |
| 21:18.37 | cogwheel | might try #wowace if no one responds here |
| 21:18.58 | Gnarfoz | sounds like a case for callbackhandler-1.0 ^^ |
| 21:19.19 | cogwheel | sounds like you're calling your callback function rather than passing it as a value |
| 21:19.41 | Gnarfoz | which would mean: "drop those ()'s" |
| 21:20.11 | nevcairiel | thats not what it means, it probably is just a missing argument to the function |
| 21:21.04 | Ruggiero | the function does not have any arguments, and dropping the ()'s results in :function arguments expected near ',' error |
| 21:21.31 | cogwheel | those aren't the ()s you were supposed to drop, then |
| 21:21.47 | nevcairiel | if it doesnt have any arguments, thats where your problem is =P |
| 21:21.58 | cogwheel | of course, we're all having to flex our psychic abilities to help you since you haven't shown us any code... |
| 21:22.24 | cogwheel | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ |
| 21:23.10 | Lunessa | I |
| 21:23.21 | Lunessa | I'm not psychic, I'm psychotic. |
| 21:23.43 | cogwheel | you can flex your psychotic abilities too :) |
| 21:26.01 | Ruggiero | AceTimer = LibStub("AceTimer-3.0"):Embed(lib) lib.timer = AceTimer:ScheduleRepeatingTimer(lib:CalculateScale(), interval) |
| 21:26.59 | nevcairiel | thats so wrong, i better go to sleep before i'm stuck here for an hour |
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| 21:27.22 | Ruggiero | that is why I'm here =) |
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| 21:30.00 | nevcairiel | you probably want: | LibStub("AceTimer-3.0"):Embed(lib); lib.timer = lib:ScheduleRepeatingTimer("CalculateScale", interval) | |
| 21:30.07 | nevcairiel | but thats still guessign somewhat |
| 21:30.21 | nevcairiel | and with that, i'm off to bed |
| 21:30.32 | Ruggiero | k, thanks, gnite! =) |
| 21:32.11 | cogwheel | exactly as i thought. "lib:CalculateScale()" CALLS your function (the parentheses are the function call operator) |
| 21:32.25 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:32.29 | Ruggiero | that would totally work if not for: local lib, oldminor = LibStub:NewLibrary(MAJOR, MINOR) |
| 21:32.52 | cogwheel | The error message tells you it's expecting either a function value (which you can't really give it since it's a method) or a method name |
| 21:33.52 | Ruggiero | yeah I gotcha there, except that if I called it with ("CalculateScale", intervale) with my current code, it would refer to AceTimer:CalculateScale, which does not exist =P |
| 21:34.02 | cogwheel | it shouldn't... |
| 21:34.49 | cogwheel | the "method name" parameter would be utterly useless if it worked that way |
| 21:34.56 | nevcairiel | thats why you embed it and use "lib" as the self, not AceTimer. Alternatively skip the embed call, and do | lib.timer = LibStub("AceTimer-3.0").ScheduleRepeatingTimer(lib, "CalculateScale", interval) | |
| 21:35.06 | nevcairiel | really gone now |
| 21:35.22 | Ruggiero | Okay, THAT is helpful! =D |
| 21:35.39 | nevcairiel | its really all the same |
| 21:35.43 | nevcairiel | vanishes |
| 21:35.51 | cogwheel | hey nevcairiel |
| 21:36.11 | cogwheel | chuckles |
| 21:37.13 | Kaso | how do you make sindragosa 10 not a massive randomy pain in the ass for healers :( |
| 21:39.06 | foxlit | You don't. |
| 21:39.24 | foxlit | It's a massive pain in the ass for healers. Bring 3, and wipe repeatedly until your raid rolls 20 natural 20s. |
| 21:39.25 | Fisker | Â |
| 21:39.29 | Fisker | btw hello foxlit |
| 21:40.04 | Kaso | sounds about right >< |
| 21:40.14 | foxlit | Who calls themselves Naviair, fisker? |
| 21:43.11 | Fisker | you do |
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| 21:59.12 | foxlit | "We take sexting very seriously, & are sorry it happened." |
| 21:59.48 | Dagmar | More people pissed that no one sends *them* text messages like that |
| 22:00.04 | foxlit | Twitter character constraints r killing the English language! |
| 22:00.21 | Dagmar | Don't blame Twitter because people are goddamn lazy. |
| 22:00.26 | Dagmar | That's nowhere near the 140-character limit. |
| 22:00.38 | durcyn | the english language is fine, abbreviations have been around a lot longer than you have, crybab. |
| 22:00.46 | durcyn | crybaby* |
| 22:00.49 | Lunessa | You know, if someone was sexting me, that I was interested in, I think a) I'd keep it to myself, b) I wouldn't complain. |
| 22:00.56 | foxlit | Dagmar: it's also not the full message. |
| 22:01.01 | foxlit | http://twitter.com/Safer_Online/status/12306057675 |
| 22:01.05 | foxlit | 139 |
| 22:02.06 | alestane | "Her birthday cake consisted of a shot of tequila with a candle in it" |
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| 22:02.21 | Dagmar | foxlit: On general principle, fuck those people |
| 22:02.37 | Dagmar | Clearly their problem is that they're convinced that someone, somewhere, is having fun and it should be stopped. |
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| 22:02.45 | Dagmar | The ad was not that big of a deal. |
| 22:02.53 | foxlit | durcyn: you generally don't insert ampersands in the middle of sentences. |
| 22:03.01 | foxlit | Just for, you know, style reasons. |
| 22:03.04 | Kaso | They should have made mage's mirror images like the one in nexus, where one image does frost one does fire and one does arcane |
| 22:03.04 | Dagmar | They just want to assume it's underage people doing it because it tittilates their puritanic mindset |
| 22:03.27 | Dagmar | Kaso: Mage mirror images occasionally sheep |
| 22:03.28 | foxlit | Kaso: /hate mirror images :( |
| 22:03.40 | foxlit | They eat my WG ticks that could be healing actual people. |
| 22:04.25 | Kaso | yah as a priest pers in general are annoying for stealing coh ticks |
| 22:04.41 | Kaso | the mirror images change would just be a cosment |
| 22:04.45 | Kaso | hey make it a minor even |
| 22:05.25 | Dagmar | besides which, anyone who's actually used a cellphone camera knows there's no way you're getting a picture of your own nipple inside your shirt--the focal length is too short |
| 22:06.07 | Thunder_Child | we can see that Dagmar has tried |
| 22:06.23 | Dagmar | Not my nipples, but small electronics. |
| 22:06.33 | alestane | http://failblog.org/2010/04/19/epic-fail-photos-recipe-fail-2/ |
| 22:06.41 | Dagmar | You can just give up trying to take a picture with a cell phone of anything you can't get at least a foot and a half away from |
| 22:06.45 | Thunder_Child | your nipples are small electroincs? |
| 22:07.04 | Thunder_Child | there are some cell phones from camera companies which can |
| 22:07.34 | Dagmar | Have you ever tried to take a pic of the circuit board of a cell phone, with a cell phone? |
| 22:07.43 | Fisker | i am here click me |
| 22:07.45 | Thunder_Child | no, because mine suck |
| 22:07.53 | Dagmar | I very jokingly took a close-up of the Nexus One before it was released |
| 22:08.01 | Thunder_Child | but there are some decent ones |
| 22:08.11 | foxlit | Fisker: I had the misfortune to run into a 2v2 teammate who built thors |
| 22:08.26 | Dagmar | We decided that while Google does indeed have a sense of humor, other forces might turn the erstwhile joke into a company problem so we didn't put it up anywhere |
| 22:08.42 | foxlit | Unfortunately, he couldn't get him out of his because of the way his choke was set up. Lost in a spectacular fashion -- I've never seen so many zerg. |
| 22:08.54 | Dagmar | A friend of mine who works there came home for Christmas and had one oft he prototypes they were issued with him, and strict instructions to not let any bloggers see it |
| 22:09.18 | Dagmar | He whips this thing out casually at a coffee house and I'm like "Wait... is that what I think it is? Should you be just waving that thing around like that?" |
| 22:10.04 | Dagmar | There was a qrcode on the back and I figured that probably if I scanned it, some men would pull up in an unmarked black SUV and proceed to beat everyone nearby |
| 22:14.21 | Fisker | sweet foxlit |
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| 22:30.04 | Kaso | http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9430/1271697395193.jpg |
| 22:31.20 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:31.25 | Shirik | wtf |
| 22:31.46 | kd3 | ! sc2 given an adults-only rating in south korea? |
| 22:32.32 | Shirik | haha |
| 22:34.16 | jnwhiteh | so many good fukungs today |
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| 22:39.55 | jnwhiteh | Kaso: aha, already have like 6 re-tweets on that image |
| 22:40.08 | Kaso | lol |
| 22:41.11 | Cide | Shirik: get a new mouse yet? |
| 22:42.06 | Fisker | hey Shirik and jnwhiteh |
| 22:42.14 | Shirik | Cide: I did actually |
| 22:42.18 | jnwhiteh | sleeps. |
| 22:42.44 | Fisker | good night jnwhiteh :( |
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| 23:27.46 | cog|away | hate ya later, Fisker |
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| 23:34.07 | Fisker | slaps cog|away around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:34.24 | Cide | Shirik: nice |
| 23:43.21 | Mr_Rabies | did java 6 update 20 fix the recent exploit that made the internet freak out? all the news i can find seems out of date on the matter |
| 23:53.16 | Taroven | Mwahaha. I loves my taskbar. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1999297/linux-win.png |
| 23:54.43 | ZorbaTHut | pidgin: still ugly :( |
| 23:54.56 | Taroven | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, I know. |
| 23:55.09 | Taroven | I want something better so bad right now. |
| 23:55.15 | ZorbaTHut | god I wish someone would make Pidgin, But Not Terrible |
| 23:55.25 | Taroven | Empathy is worse imo. |
| 23:55.37 | ZorbaTHut | I'm still paying for Trillian because, despite being awful, it's still the best thing around. |
| 23:55.51 | Taroven | I use Trillian on windows. |
| 23:56.08 | ZorbaTHut | I still use Windows as a desktop operating system. Partially, this is because of Trillian. |
| 23:57.29 | Dagmar | That's a really depressing reason |
| 23:58.07 | Taroven | No kidding. |
| 23:59.22 | Taroven | I'm tempted to go with xchat+bitlbee, but I've been there and done that... it's too much of a pain in the ass. |
