| 00:00.01 | Dagmar | So start clicking that little report button ont he trolls instead of responding "COOL STORY, BRO" |
| 00:00.40 | Dagmar | Reading the forums looking for valid feedback is like looking for fish sticks in a barrel of toxic waste |
| 00:01.01 | DWSR | At the bottom of the ocean. |
| 00:01.03 | Fisker | But they're still more than capable at it |
| 00:01.07 | Fisker | So the argument is invalid |
| 00:01.18 | Kraps | Dagmar: blizz needs to get a fucking handle on idiots both in and out of game |
| 00:01.37 | Fisker | And there are also certain sites which Blizzard do monitor which have a bit more strict set of moderating rules |
| 00:01.46 | Fisker | So feedback is just one click away from EJ |
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| 00:01.56 | Fisker | Blizzard also knows this |
| 00:02.01 | Fisker | And they also act on it |
| 00:02.42 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean like fishing in Icecrown with fishing 1? :) |
| 00:02.56 | Dagmar | Amarande: Pretty much |
| 00:03.06 | Dagmar | EVen if you DID find fish sticks, you wouldn't want to eat them |
| 00:03.08 | Amarande | btw, is there a minimum % chance to get something other than a grey, or will you in fact get 100% grey below a certain fishing in a given area? |
| 00:03.27 | Fisker | there's a minimum chance i believe |
| 00:03.29 | Dagmar | Amarande: As far as I know it's like hit rating |
| 00:03.40 | Dagmar | It just becomes a ludicrously low chance of catching something |
| 00:03.44 | Fisker | yeah |
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| 00:04.08 | Dagmar | I have actualyl caught something in the Dalaran fountain that wasn't a garbage fish on my warlock, with his fishing still under 50 |
| 00:04.19 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure it was a freak occurrence |
| 00:04.40 | Fisker | and you'll always get fish from pools |
| 00:05.10 | Dagmar | They should make that more exciting. |
| 00:05.25 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 00:05.26 | Fisker | http://www.elsanglin.com/the_role_of_skill.html |
| 00:05.29 | Dagmar | Give people a 1:1000 chance of screwing up and spawning a hostile ?? mob |
| 00:05.33 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
| 00:05.52 | kd3 | wtb random maws summons |
| 00:06.32 | Dagmar | Then perhaps all these fishing achievements would mean something |
| 00:06.45 | Dagmar | "Ooh look. You can click a button in the same place for eight hours straight. Good for you." |
| 00:07.02 | Dagmar | ...becomes... "You actually LIVED through Nersley's attack??!?!" |
| 00:07.04 | Fisker | the only thing i hope is that the HP changes in cataclysm will bring paladins back up where they need to be |
| 00:09.42 | Kraps | Fisker: eh? |
| 00:10.28 | Kraps | "hey the brakes on the Toyotas dont work but i really hope they get the interior color right" |
| 00:10.35 | Fisker | wat? |
| 00:12.18 | foxlit | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/on-the-ball/7393-On-the-Ball-Man-Versus-Machine << mildly interesting, speculating about the effect of AI on SC2 |
| 00:12.53 | Fisker | hey if warlocks get flying mounts i want an upgraded version of the invincible mount! |
| 00:13.24 | foxlit | I'm mildly annoyed by the ads on el's angling |
| 00:13.58 | Fisker | yes |
| 00:15.02 | Jamash | easymenu isn't being easy |
| 00:15.04 | NeoTron | foxlit: insufficient ad blocking then? |
| 00:15.27 | Kraps | foxlit: evony ftw |
| 00:16.01 | foxlit | NeoTron: In some fashion. I don't actually have a mechanism to fine-tune blocking, and they used an internal ad server. |
| 00:16.11 | foxlit | Jamash: easymenu is a cheat anyway |
| 00:16.27 | Jamash | true |
| 00:16.40 | Jamash | all I want is a context menu with two items on it though |
| 00:16.42 | foxlit | Suspect blizzard wrote it because they were tired of writing menu functions |
| 00:17.00 | Amarande | isn't everything numeric being completely retooled anyway? |
| 00:17.19 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: you can get rid of it natively with chrome |
| 00:17.30 | Thunder_Child | inspect elements -> delete |
| 00:17.45 | Amarande | ads tend not to bug me much unless they have audio |
| 00:17.50 | foxlit | And that would persist? |
| 00:17.56 | Thunder_Child | i did a refresh and it did |
| 00:18.01 | Jamash | flashblock is win |
| 00:18.05 | Amarande | audio ads are the Devil and should go stand in the fire. yes, that fire. they can pull our raid mates out of it while they're going in. :) |
| 00:18.09 | Thunder_Child | but not relaunching it :( |
| 00:18.12 | foxlit | Jamash: hm. |
| 00:18.30 | Amarande | although they do lately keep making me wish I had the money to spare to buy a nexus one. :| |
| 00:18.34 | Thunder_Child | oh well |
| 00:18.35 | Jamash | blocks out annoying stupid flash ads, leaves text and image ads alone |
| 00:19.09 | foxlit | It's also the products being advertised that have some effect |
| 00:19.28 | foxlit | "Learn to make bazillions of gold" is practically an insult. |
| 00:19.47 | Jamash | I'm calling EasyMenu(table, menu, frame, x, y, "MENU", hidedelay) which according to the docs is wrong but when I change it it breaks :( |
| 00:20.15 | foxlit | paste your code? |
| 00:20.20 | Jamash | k |
| 00:21.08 | Fisker | om nom nom foxlit |
| 00:21.11 | kd3 | ~x fr en Une lumière envoûtante |
| 00:21.19 | kd3 | ... |
| 00:21.24 | kd3 | thanks purl |
| 00:21.35 | Fisker | no problem kd3 |
| 00:22.06 | foxlit | ~x fr en Une lumiere envoutante |
| 00:22.41 | Jamash | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/135027 |
| 00:23.36 | Jamash | according to docs, on line 37 titleBar should be a point like "TOP" but that doesn't seem to work |
| 00:24.11 | foxlit | EasyMenu(menuList, menuFrame, anchor, x, y, displayMode, autoHideDelay ) |
| 00:25.32 | foxlit | so yeah, you should change titleBar to something like "TOP" |
| 00:25.55 | Jamash | when I do that I get DropDownList1:SetPoint(): Couldn't find region named 'TOPLEFT' |
| 00:26.15 | foxlit | Right, so that's a problem. |
| 00:26.25 | foxlit | There should be a line number associated with that in FrameXML? |
| 00:27.14 | Jamash | ..\FrameXML\UIDropDownMenu.lua line 703: |
| 00:27.40 | Jamash | hmm, I'll look there |
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| 00:28.36 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 00:29.01 | foxlit | try adding menu.relativeTo = titleBar |
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| 00:36.52 | Jamash | didn't help |
| 00:38.10 | foxlit | same error? |
| 00:38.12 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12947132359&sid=1 |
| 00:38.15 | Jamash | yeah |
| 00:38.16 | Fisker | this one is great |
| 00:38.23 | Fisker | "i have calculated that i have spent over £3000 on this game." |
| 00:38.34 | Fisker | Not great at math, or an avid multi boxer |
| 00:38.38 | foxlit | are you actually trying to pass "TOPLEFT" as the anchor? |
| 00:38.44 | foxlit | Or is it figuring that out on its own? |
| 00:39.06 | Jamash | I'm passing it |
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| 00:39.49 | foxlit | So what I think happens is that you get hit by UIDropDownMenu.lua:687 |
| 00:40.07 | foxlit | Where it sets relativeTo to your passed anchor value, and then barks at you for trying to make it anchor to something silly. |
| 00:40.17 | Jamash | hmm |
| 00:41.03 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.11 | Dagmar | Awesome |
| 00:41.22 | Jamash | the weird thing is that it works if I supply a frame instead of a point name |
| 00:41.27 | foxlit | yes. |
| 00:41.33 | foxlit | That's okay |
| 00:41.49 | foxlit | because there are sane defaults for the points, and your anchor gets passed as the relative frame |
| 00:41.55 | Jamash | huh |
| 00:42.43 | foxlit | Um. |
| 00:42.46 | foxlit | Pass "cursor" |
| 00:42.55 | Jamash | ok |
| 00:42.57 | foxlit | That'd be the easiest fix I can suggest. |
| 00:44.08 | Jamash | yay it works |
| 00:44.10 | Jamash | thanks foxlit |
| 00:48.05 | Amarande | oh HELL yes. |
| 00:48.09 | Amarande | my saronite swordbreakers pattern sold. |
| 00:48.16 | Amarande | no more scrounging for gold for a while |
| 00:48.40 | Jamash | I need to do some dailies to afford my motorbikecycle |
| 01:00.56 | Kraps | what its still not here |
| 01:03.00 | Kraps | "We can only create so many new creatures during a single expansion, and getting one of these might mean fewer new creatures in outdoor worlds or dungeons. Itâs just a trade-off and sometimes you have to make hard calls." |
| 01:03.17 | Kraps | what does this mean, dev-wise? |
| 01:03.33 | foxlit | what's "these"? |
| 01:03.34 | kd3 | we don't have the manpower to create unique models |
| 01:03.43 | Jamash | means that their five thousand employees are busy swimming in piles of cash |
| 01:04.44 | Kraps | foxlit: flying lock mounts and female Metamorphosis forms |
| 01:06.02 | Kraps | kd3: what do you mean, they have 1 employee for each model? |
| 01:06.30 | Amarande | okay, I don't know why flying lock mounts would be such an issue |
| 01:06.32 | foxlit | They have a limited capacity to create models, in any case. |
| 01:06.34 | Amarande | couldn't they just recolor the HH mount? |
| 01:06.42 | Amarande | (which, as I understand, is pretty much a recolored Dreadsteed that can fly) |
| 01:06.52 | foxlit | Also, why should locks get a flying mount? :) |
| 01:06.57 | foxlit | Why shouldn't, say, warriors? |
| 01:07.11 | foxlit | Paladins? |
| 01:07.11 | foxlit | Hunters? |
| 01:07.11 | DWSR | foxlit: Because warriors don't already have a class mount. |
| 01:07.28 | DWSR | foxlit: Also, lorewise there's nothing to support warriors or most other classes (except DKs or paladins) from having a class specific flying mount. |
| 01:07.30 | foxlit | DWSR: Then warriors should clearly demand a class mount. |
| 01:07.41 | DWSR | foxlit: l2roll DK. |
| 01:08.02 | foxlit | Oh, I have. |
| 01:08.10 | foxlit | Though it's been gathering dust. |
| 01:08.54 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, "we don't have an infinite amount of money" |
| 01:08.57 | foxlit | But from a game design stand point, I think they've mostly moved away from the concept that spawned the warlock/paladin mounts. |
| 01:09.05 | Cide | foxlit> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/on-the-ball/7393-On-the-Ball-Man-Versus-Machine << mildly interesting, speculating about the effect of AI on SC2 |
| 01:09.09 | Cide | foxlit, eh, I disagree |
| 01:09.14 | Cide | machines can beat man in any sport |
| 01:09.32 | foxlit | Wasn't that his point? |
| 01:09.45 | Cide | I don't know? |
| 01:09.53 | Cide | didn't sound like that to me but I skipped half the first page |
| 01:10.06 | ZorbaTHut | machines definitely cannot yet beat man in every sport |
| 01:10.12 | Cide | ZorbaTHut, name one |
| 01:10.15 | ZorbaTHut | cide, Go |
| 01:10.23 | foxlit | Some of the more evil board games. |
| 01:10.25 | Cide | I bet a supercomputer could |
| 01:10.30 | Cide | but I haven't investigated it |
| 01:10.35 | ZorbaTHut | No. The branching factor is way too high to brute-force. |
| 01:10.43 | kd3 | thinks back to Deep Blue |
| 01:10.45 | ZorbaTHut | The best Go solvers right now play at the level of a reasonably skilled amateur. |
| 01:11.02 | Cide | go solvers? |
| 01:11.08 | Jerub | if the control interface had more things it would reduce the need for ultra high APM |
| 01:11.11 | Cide | personal computer-run programs or supercomputers? |
| 01:11.14 | Jerub | like a 'scatter' button for a group of units |
| 01:11.19 | foxlit | But tbh, he's silly in different ways. |
| 01:11.22 | Jerub | or the ability to form ranks |
| 01:11.25 | Kraps | its not like making say, a tissue box? the number of of boxes i can make is limited by materials and storage space. developing a character model would just be, say, a week of work by 5 guys and whatever "room" of bits it would occupy no? |
| 01:11.45 | ZorbaTHut | cide, both, really. as mentioned, the branching factor is way too high to brute-force - the only reasonable approach is to teach the computer about the concepts involved, and nobody's managed to formalize them as well |
| 01:11.51 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, right, but they have a limited budget for the game |
| 01:11.53 | Cide | that's neat |
| 01:11.56 | foxlit | Kraps: diminishing returns on additional staff, really. |
| 01:12.07 | kd3 | points to "The Mythical Man-Month" |
| 01:12.15 | Cide | I was however thinking about "proper" sports such as the ones in the olympic games |
| 01:12.21 | Cide | obviously no robot/machine beats any of those athletes |
| 01:12.23 | ZorbaTHut | cide, also, Arimaa, which was built for the sole purpose of being extremely hard for computers to beat |
| 01:12.35 | ZorbaTHut | (and okay for being a good game as well) |
| 01:12.54 | foxlit | But it's silly. What we should be aiming for is an AI that'd win because it outplayed you strategically, not because it can micro those five zerglings to death. |
| 01:12.55 | ZorbaTHut | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaa#Computer_ineptitude |
| 01:13.03 | Cide | foxlit, right |
| 01:13.51 | foxlit | So put in a realistic time cost structure to issuing commands / viewing the map and we're all set. |
| 01:14.16 | foxlit | It probably wouldn't sell e-sport tickets, but competitive sports are silly to begin with. |
| 01:15.16 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, also worth pointing out that they probably have a limited memory budget, which can be a problem when you're talking about introducing a new model that can literally appear anywhere in the game |
| 01:15.34 | ZorbaTHut | so in that sense, the amount of models they can display really *is* limited by materials and storage space. |
| 01:15.42 | Kraps | mmm |
| 01:15.52 | ZorbaTHut | That said, I strongly suspect that's not the actual problem they're talking about. |
| 01:17.03 | foxlit | Why would you want a class-specific mount, though? |
| 01:18.41 | Jerub | foxlit: the point is that current starcraft ais are clearly done in such a way that they don't micro like a human on purpose. |
| 01:19.04 | Jerub | it's trivial to compose an RTS game AI that will outplay a human, you just have to program it to do what a human is trained to do... |
| 01:19.46 | foxlit | you're talking about sc1 there? |
| 01:19.49 | Jerub | most RTS development labs develop an AI and then spend some time making it dumber and slower until it's fun. |
| 01:19.55 | Jerub | foxlit: uh, no, i mean sc2. |
| 01:20.25 | foxlit | considering it only does "very stupid" at the moment, I don't think that one is worth commenting upon. |
| 01:21.04 | foxlit | I wouldn't be surprised if the *hard* one microed precisely like a human. |
| 01:22.26 | Jerub | foxlit: aiui, that's just because the ai scripts shipped in the beta are dumb |
| 01:22.44 | Jerub | i sincerely doubt they could make it micro merely like a human |
| 01:23.27 | foxlit | Why not? It's merely restricting of information it can act on, and how fast it can do that. |
| 01:24.08 | foxlit | They already do some of that by forcing it to scout rather than cheat by looking past the fog of war. |
| 01:24.08 | Jerub | hm, on re-reading what i said... |
| 01:24.35 | Jerub | if they make it micro, then it will be capable of doing it far better and faster than any human, so they'll have to ratchet it back significantly. |
| 01:25.22 | Jerub | but you said precisely. |
| 01:25.38 | Jerub | which is basically a lie in every respect. |
| 01:25.52 | Jerub | it will either be better, or forced to be worse. |
| 01:26.23 | Jerub | the human control interface for expressing actions in starcraft 2 is shit. i hate it. |
| 01:26.43 | Jerub | it's intentionally designed to make certain actions human intensive. |
| 01:26.47 | Dagmar | Does a piss poor job of controlling humans? |
| 01:26.50 | Jerub | microing is one, build order is another. |
| 01:27.33 | foxlit | But hey, it's imposing the same frame of attention problem on you as it would on AI. |
| 01:27.56 | foxlit | That's also the reason why you can't zoom out -- there's some interest in playing with your focus of attention |
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| 01:30.56 | Jerub | a few modifications could improve the human management at the macro and micro level considerably, and they're clearly not implemented because they want to retain the APM advantage. |
| 01:31.01 | Jerub | people who click faster win more |
| 01:31.28 | Dagmar | I *just* noticed "I Hit It With My Axe". SFW but... whaa? |
| 01:32.24 | Thunder_Child | hates people |
| 01:32.46 | DWSR | Sasha Grey? |
| 01:32.57 | Dagmar | She's not the only porn star on the screen there |
| 01:33.10 | Dagmar | Just... wtf |
| 01:33.16 | Dagmar | Goth porn stars playing D&D |
| 01:33.19 | DWSR | rofl |
| 01:33.22 | Dagmar | <3 |
| 01:33.25 | DWSR | Could there be anything more awesome? |
| 01:34.03 | Dagmar | At least I can take solace in knowing that it was not something I noticed simply because I've never looked at anything below Zero Punctuation before |
| 01:34.27 | DWSR | lol\ |
| 01:34.48 | DWSR | tbh, Yahtzee is getting lame. |
| 01:34.55 | DWSR | His older ZPs are epic because they're ranty. |
| 01:34.59 | DWSR | New ones are like....subdued. |
| 01:35.03 | DWSR | There's punctuation. |
| 01:35.14 | Dagmar | The new games are either good, or not worth bagging on because it would be obvious |
| 01:35.19 | durcyn | it's just a shame that the escapist's site is a flash-laden shit-hole that doesn't render in mobile safari |
| 01:36.08 | Jerub | i liked his review of final fantasy. |
| 01:36.14 | Jerub | but i've not been to his bar yet. |
| 01:36.19 | Dagmar | It's dead on |
| 01:36.38 | Dagmar | I am *really* having problems finding time to finish FFXIII |
| 01:37.10 | Dagmar | Doing my taxes is probably going to happen first, and I just file a 1040EZ |
| 01:38.18 | Dagmar | OH! There's only been four episodes of this thing |
| 01:38.21 | Dagmar | Now I feel better |
| 01:38.44 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah |
| 01:38.44 | Wobin | The one he did in limerick form was good =) |
| 01:39.08 | Dagmar | Wobin: Yeah but lately his posts have lacked that sense of moral outrage we like |
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| 01:41.02 | Wobin | Dagmar, it's like... he's actually... -happy- with life |
| 01:41.08 | Wobin | SACRILIGE! |
| 01:41.27 | Dagmar | We'll have to find out who he's dating and seduce them |
| 01:41.41 | Dagmar | Unless he's dating a guy and then I've got nothin |
| 01:54.06 | Wobin | hm |
| 01:54.10 | Wobin | I like the warlock dot changes |
| 01:54.30 | Wobin | aw, hellfire no longer causes self damage? =( |
| 01:54.43 | Wobin | how will the emolocks survive? (or not survive as the case may be) |
| 01:55.25 | Amarande | c'mon red sox, finish it |
| 01:55.35 | Wobin | "Metamorphosis will no longer be subject to demonic crowd control." |
| 01:55.37 | Wobin | oh come on!! |
| 01:55.48 | Wobin | are they going to fix it for druids too, then? |
| 01:56.08 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 01:56.24 | Thunder_Child | locks are just leet like that |
| 01:57.57 | Thunder_Child | "Youâll enjoy this fascinating and intricate role-playing game in spite of its troublesome combat and scattered bugs." thats a very....odd review |
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| 02:00.24 | ZorbaTHut | doesn't sound particularly odd to me |
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| 02:10.21 | Dagmar | Wobin: I can't tame druids in animal form, so no. There's nothing to fix |
| 02:10.53 | Wobin | Dagmar, duh |
| 02:10.57 | Wobin | that needs to be fixed |
| 02:11.38 | Dagmar | Oh, in that case I'm all for anything that will let me tame druids |
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| 02:18.41 | Kraps | heh, age of conan ad in playboy |
| 02:19.15 | alestane | I've seen it run video game ads and reviews. |
| 02:19.20 | Wobin | Surprised it's not evony =P |
| 02:20.01 | alestane | A few year ago they reportedly had a "hot virtual women of gaming" spread. Bloodrayne was supposed to be rendered topless or something. |
| 02:20.13 | Dagmar | I meant to buy it and forgot |
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| 02:20.29 | Dagmar | Wobin: You have seen the latest AoC ad, right? |
| 02:20.29 | alestane | I've always considered Evony to be a great example of how not to advertise a game, Wobin. |
| 02:20.41 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 02:20.55 | Wobin | Dagmar, is it similar to Evony's attempts? |
| 02:20.59 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 02:21.04 | Wobin | figures =) |
| 02:21.07 | alestane | The "Courage, {something}, Cleavage" one, Dagmar? |
| 02:21.14 | Dagmar | alestane: Yep |
| 02:21.20 | Dagmar | Words fail |
| 02:21.22 | Wobin | I had a Bear Shaman, called Fuziwuzi |
| 02:21.29 | alestane | It runs on WoWI sometimes. |
| 02:21.36 | Dagmar | Courage, carnage, cleavage |
| 02:21.48 | Dagmar | I am very disappointed |
| 02:22.29 | Dagmar | Heh. This girl I know who is hot, goth, and plays D&D just emailed me back about 'I Hit It With My Axe'. heheh |
| 02:25.07 | Kraps | Dagmar: is it any good? |
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| 02:27.47 | Dagmar | It's basically nerd pr0n |
| 02:27.53 | Dagmar | Daddy like! |
| 02:28.41 | Jerub | i thought nerd porn was the same as normal porn, but free. |
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| 02:32.21 | Kraps | Dagmar: what is is this i dont even |
| 02:34.13 | Kraps | welp, i always wanted to see a D&D game |
| 02:34.25 | Thunder_Child | that was not exactly a D&D game |
| 02:34.43 | Dagmar | It's close enough to one |
| 02:34.59 | Kraps | not exactly? |
| 02:37.19 | Thunder_Child | i think it was 4E |
| 02:37.53 | Kraps | 2 of chicks are kinda hot, the rest are a bit too off the wall |
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| 02:43.10 | Kraps | the dungeon master decides the outcome of encounters? |
| 02:45.10 | Wobin | based on dice rolls against skill |
| 02:45.17 | Wobin | but generally, yes |
| 02:45.58 | alestane | Is it just me or does ActionScript have a bit of an identity crisis? |
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| 02:48.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://ejoh.zmolklife.com/fs/the-poo-poo-terrorist.html |
| 02:48.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Be afraid, be very afraid |
| 02:48.37 | Wobin | ew |
| 02:49.01 | Wobin | always wind your windows up in Norway, folks =P |
| 02:49.06 | Kraps | thanks for linking shitty links ScytheBlade1 |
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| 03:02.54 | Thunder_Child | i hate you Kraps |
| 03:03.19 | Arathros | i hate my teeth |
| 03:03.27 | Kraps | i return the sentiment Thunder_Child |
| 03:03.40 | Arathros | so we all got someone to hate nice ;P |
| 03:04.26 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: you cant, i didnt make a PUN! |
| 03:05.31 | Kraps | i'm sorry, are you saying i'm too awesome? |
| 03:06.08 | Thunder_Child | too awesome for life, sure.... |
| 03:08.22 | Kraps | penthouse is a bit more on the... lively... side than playboy |
| 03:08.49 | Torhal | The "lively" side, or the "this is the color pink" side? |
| 03:09.02 | Wobin | "Dear Penthouse Forum, You'd never believe what happened to me the other day...." |
| 03:09.16 | Kraps | ^ |
| 03:09.28 | Kraps | Torhal: open-minded? |
| 03:09.40 | Torhal | Ah, ok. Had to clarify. |
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| 03:32.20 | Kraps | VLC keeps crashing my pc |
| 03:32.45 | Arathros | lol |
| 03:32.49 | Arathros | dont think its vlc |
| 03:33.10 | Arathros | hmm what kind of crash? |
| 03:34.29 | Arathros | 01love17 |
| 03:34.47 | Kraps | everything except the mouse freezes but the audio keeps playing |
| 03:34.50 | Wobin | logs into Arathros' account |
| 03:35.09 | Arathros | hehe gd luck.. that was a famous password generator lol |
| 03:35.24 | Arathros | my password would drive an american nuts |
| 03:35.35 | Arathros | or basically 99% of the worlk |
| 03:35.46 | Arathros | has a couple of reserved for scandinavia letters ;) |
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| 03:45.35 | ZorbaTHut | where is the priest preview >:( |
| 03:46.19 | Sargeras | paladin review in 2 weeks /cry |
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| 04:05.07 | OhGrimes | Priest preview is later |
| 04:05.25 | OhGrimes | Might even be at 12 AM. |
| 04:05.48 | Zyn | there is no preview |
| 04:05.50 | Zyn | go away |
| 04:07.17 | durcyn | priests are being removed from the game |
| 04:07.27 | durcyn | anyone with a priest character is being permanently banned |
| 04:07.54 | Arathros | lol how much did a priest own you lol |
| 04:08.54 | ZorbaTHut | priests are being turned into paladins |
| 04:08.59 | ZorbaTHut | paladins are being removed from the game |
| 04:09.51 | Arathros | oh god random song on radio made me rember something |
| 04:11.34 | Wobin | I <3 disc healing in 5mans |
| 04:11.53 | tekkub | <3 frisbee healing in 5mans |
| 04:12.09 | Arathros | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP01vFaPTiI |
| 04:16.25 | Wobin | see |
| 04:16.29 | Wobin | I wouldn't call that a 'parody' |
| 04:16.34 | Wobin | I'd call it a 'cover' =P |
| 04:16.40 | Arathros | thast called an improovement ;P |
| 04:16.48 | Wobin | pft Lady Gaga is great |
| 04:18.00 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 04:19.54 | Arathros | her music is catchy. she made it. onylreason people say they hate her. is that they think shes a tranny. or not their normal music ;P |
| 04:20.33 | DWSR | She didn't make it. |
| 04:20.43 | DWSR | She's just slutty. She's not edgy in any way. |
| 04:20.44 | Arathros | she wrote the melodi didnt she? |
| 04:20.47 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 04:20.59 | DWSR | She *might* have written the words. |
| 04:21.06 | Shirik | I don't need you in my life again |
| 04:21.18 | Shirik | Be my bad boy, be my man, be my weekend lover, won't you be my friend? |
| 04:21.32 | Arathros | redone made the melodi and she wrote it ;P |
| 04:21.40 | Thunder_Child | good job Shirik, you scared iriel away |
| 04:21.46 | ZorbaTHut | is there any evidence in any direction how much of her music she writes? |
| 04:21.58 | Shirik | who? |
| 04:22.00 | Thunder_Child | i am fairly sure she does the music videos however |
| 04:22.16 | Shirik | oh Lady Gaga? |
| 04:22.24 | Shirik | she's like an IRL mindfuck |
| 04:23.37 | Arathros | well when they publish somgs. they have to copyright them. and thats probably the truth on who got it copywrited as author first i guess ;P |
| 04:23.47 | Kraps | this is pretty decent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTwkClDkXso |
| 04:24.47 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24038426897&sid=1 |
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| 04:25.34 | ZorbaTHut | arathros, that's not really true. copyright is implicit and automatic, you don't need to make any claims on who the actual author is |
| 04:25.46 | ZorbaTHut | you don't even need to explicitly state it's copyrighted - the text I'm writing right now is copyrighted to me |
| 04:26.54 | Arathros | well you have to in denmark |
| 04:27.16 | Arathros | report your created songs to koda to get any benefits from it. and you have to be the author and sign that agreement aswell. |
| 04:27.20 | bleeter | denmark didnt sign intl agreements? |
| 04:27.20 | Arathros | its a big papermill here |
| 04:27.22 | bleeter | odd |
| 04:27.30 | ZorbaTHut | "get benefits" is entirely different from "copyright" |
| 04:27.36 | bleeter | ^^ |
| 04:27.42 | Arathros | well you need copyrights to get benefirts. |
| 04:27.43 | ZorbaTHut | denmark signed the Berne Convention, and as such the same copyright laws apply there |
| 04:28.00 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know what kind of "benefits" denmark might offer, but that's unrelated to whether it's copyrighted or not |
| 04:28.09 | Jamash | different countries have widely varying laws, even though being berne signatories |
| 04:28.46 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, there are a few requirements. signatories can't require formal registration, for one. |
| 04:28.54 | Arathros | benefits like evertime its played in a club or radio the club and radio pays "koda" who then pays you |
| 04:30.10 | ZorbaTHut | arathros, yeah, that's reasonably standard. there's no requirement to sign up for that, however, and that paperwork may or may not be available publicly |
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| 04:30.44 | ZorbaTHut | it also may depend on how they define "author" - in some senses of the word, a work-for-hire is owned by the employer. |
| 04:30.46 | Arathros | the paperwork is publicy available to check for stuff. radios check it often to find loopholes ;) |
| 04:31.03 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know what laws Denmark has along those lines, of course. |
| 04:31.05 | Arathros | author is the one who wrote the lyrics |
| 04:31.25 | Arathros | and then you have compiser the one who made the melody |
| 04:31.30 | Arathros | 2 seperate incomes ;) |
| 04:31.58 | Jamash | I read that the legal paperwork and haggling over The Beatles Rock Band took six months |
| 04:32.11 | Arathros | no shit ;) |
| 04:32.22 | Jamash | lots of rights holders |
| 04:32.31 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, doesn't surprise me in the least |
| 04:32.52 | Arathros | and whoever said they removed CD is a lie ;P |
| 04:32.59 | Arathros | CD on inscription |
| 04:33.07 | Arathros | maybe if you learned it all the CD is gone ;) |
| 04:33.08 | Jamash | really? |
| 04:33.17 | Arathros | i got my 20hour CD now ;P |
| 04:33.34 | Jamash | where's the priest preview dang it |
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| 04:34.58 | Kraps | is he lip-syncing or is the audio not synced? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSAqnfGJWhY&feature=popt00us13 |
| 04:35.06 | Arathros | we have religion in school today. and the HW was dead easy... the last 200 classes have been like 50 pages to read and write an essay about it and blah blah blah |
| 04:35.14 | Amarande | which CD is being removed? |
| 04:35.16 | Arathros | today.. read 2 pages. and bring notes about Luther. lol |
| 04:35.22 | Arathros | Amarande 2 sec |
| 04:36.13 | Arathros | [20:13:55] <Fisker> since when did they remove the inscription research cooldown? |
| 04:36.17 | Arathros | [20:14:54] <Fisker> i just did 4 |
| 04:36.37 | Arathros | i did my daily now and got CD so i guess your CD goes away when youre done |
| 04:38.19 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24038742210/priest-preview-please-ppp/ wtf |
| 04:39.02 | Arathros | have you guys seen the fuck france (just dance) cover? |
| 04:39.15 | Arathros | 0 |
| 04:39.56 | Jamash | Kraps: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF |
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| 04:40.48 | Arathros | oooh the preview is about cata changes |
| 04:40.49 | Arathros | hmm |
| 04:41.06 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, I like the second-to-last reply there. it is clever. |
| 04:45.01 | Arathros | sorry I've been working hard the last week in school so not really following alot ;) |
| 04:46.49 | Kraps | so no one here plays champions online? |
| 04:48.30 | Kraps | :( |
| 04:48.47 | Thunder_Child | i like how you ask that in a wow channel |
| 04:49.31 | Kraps | because you cant play 2 mmos at a time? >:( |
| 04:49.38 | Arathros | i dont know if its the router or just my pc. but lately all of us have had problems getting sites to go though.. like every 4th or 5th ping to google that goes through and stuff |
| 04:50.56 | Thunder_Child | CO is a MMOOF |
| 04:51.28 | Kraps | eh? |
| 04:51.40 | Thunder_Child | Orgy of Failure |
| 04:52.17 | Kraps | come on it was good when i played it, it just needed polish |
| 04:54.15 | DWSR | It *was* good. |
| 04:54.16 | Kraps | $29.99 USD 3-Month Recurring - Limited Time Offer |
| 04:54.18 | DWSR | It *is* shit. |
| 04:54.34 | Kraps | why is it shit?! |
| 04:54.40 | DWSR | Just picked up some awesome belt/pants. |
| 04:54.42 | DWSR | btw. |
| 04:54.50 | DWSR | WTF @ the expertise on Ramaladni's Blade of Culling. |
| 04:54.54 | DWSR | 93 expertise?> |
| 04:55.00 | DWSR | What the deuce? |
| 04:56.09 | ZorbaTHut | you need to be pretty expert in order to cull things properly |
| 04:56.58 | Wobin | otherwise you end up scything yourself off at the ankles |
| 04:57.17 | ZorbaTHut | and then you'd just look stupid |
| 04:57.25 | Kraps | friend of mine just got it |
| 04:57.26 | DWSR | It's probably the single most awesome weapon ever |
| 04:57.29 | DWSR | srsly. |
| 04:57.41 | DWSR | It's like orgasmicly itemized for DK tanking. |
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| 05:00.34 | DWSR | How long does the character info take to push to the Armory usually? |
| 05:00.45 | DWSR | And do you have to be logged off of the character or the account? |
| 05:01.03 | Sabaren | There's PlayerDropDown, TargetDropDown, PartyMember#DropDown, is there one for raids? |
| 05:01.20 | Sabaren | The armory updates from character logouts from what I've noticed, but it might not be instant |
| 05:01.31 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, /logout and log on, it usually updates in seconds |
| 05:01.33 | Sabaren | I've logged to char select and back in for armory updates. |
| 05:01.45 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 05:01.55 | DWSR | and I just realized I bought the wrong T10 legs and gemmed and enchanted them. |
| 05:01.56 | DWSR | FACK ME. |
| 05:01.59 | Sabaren | :( |
| 05:02.05 | DWSR | Time to ticket it. |
| 05:02.22 | DWSR | lol, tanking with DPS legs on. |
| 05:02.22 | Sabaren | If you load the armory and update it there is a cooldown before you can refresh it btw. |
| 05:02.25 | DWSR | I'm a winnar. |
| 05:02.49 | DWSR | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Emerald%20Dream/Arelin <-- Such a winnar. |
| 05:03.01 | DWSR | Best part is that ElitistArmory doesn't label them as being wrong. |
| 05:03.09 | Sabaren | So, what do I call on ToggleDropDownMenu to grab raid frames, I'm pretty sure there is a drop down for them. |
| 05:04.16 | DWSR | Will Blizzard fix it if I already gemmed/enchanted it? |
| 05:04.42 | Sabaren | Should. |
| 05:04.46 | DWSR | Good. |
| 05:04.54 | Sabaren | You get a certain amount of f'ups that they will replace gear. |
| 05:05.35 | DWSR | This is probably only my first or second. |
| 05:05.46 | Kraps | OhGrimes: ping |
| 05:05.48 | Corrodias | as long as you recently obtained the item, i shouldn't think they'll mind that it's enchanted and stuff |
| 05:05.56 | Corrodias | as long as you don't expect to get the materials/gems back |
| 05:06.39 | Corrodias | (and i don't know, maybe they would restore those too, but i don't expect it) |
| 05:06.47 | DWSR | I don't either, but it would be nice if they did. |
| 05:06.52 | DWSR | I can't imagine it's hard for them to do. |
| 05:07.05 | Corrodias | doubt it, yeah |
| 05:07.06 | DWSR | I wondered why my aviodance went down like 3%. |
| 05:07.11 | ZorbaTHut | the enchant's a bit dubious, since it's unclear if they should be restoring a scroll or mats |
| 05:07.14 | ZorbaTHut | but gems they might |
| 05:07.23 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Well, it's legs, so the item used to enchant them. |
| 05:08.00 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/item=38373 |
| 05:08.05 | ZorbaTHut | oh right |
| 05:08.07 | ZorbaTHut | in that case they might |
| 05:09.43 | DWSR | I'm just happy to get the proper legs back. |
| 05:10.48 | DWSR | gems are just honor/emblems and the legs are like ~100g for the 2 fur. |
| 05:11.38 | DWSR | So meh, not a huge loss. |
| 05:12.10 | Corrodias | recovering monetary/honor cost just takes a little grinding, no big deal |
| 05:12.27 | Corrodias | ('little' being relative, i'm sure) |
| 05:12.27 | DWSR | yep |
| 05:12.36 | DWSR | 10 emblems is like 2 heroics. |
| 05:12.45 | DWSR | so meh. |
| 05:12.52 | DWSR | Considering one's a solid blue, though, that's 20. |
| 05:12.58 | DWSR | So probably like 7 or 8 heroics. |
| 05:13.13 | DWSR | And in that time I'll have earned back the 100g for the mats for the enchant, so *meh*. |
| 05:13.17 | Corrodias | so there's some effort involved, but it's not like it takes the skill and luck to get a set piece from a raid |
| 05:13.41 | DWSR | yeap |
| 05:13.47 | Corrodias | that's a lot of dungeon runs, more than i expected |
| 05:14.00 | DWSR | Well, it could be as little as 5. |
| 05:14.04 | DWSR | It depends on which heroics you get. |
| 05:14.15 | DWSR | You can earn a maximum of 9 emblems in a single run (Oc). |
| 05:14.34 | DWSR | err. |
| 05:14.35 | DWSR | s/7/9. |
| 05:14.39 | DWSR | Anyway. |
| 05:14.59 | DWSR | Most heroics give you 5 (3 bosses + 2 bonus). |
| 05:15.06 | DWSR | So 30 emblems will be 6. |
| 05:15.18 | DWSR | Sometimes you get a heroic which only gives you 4, so add a couple of runs for RNG, and voila. |
| 05:16.57 | DWSR | however, 7 or 8 heroics when I'm the tank means that it's under 15 minutes. |
| 05:17.48 | DWSR | I tend to...er....move quickly. |
| 05:19.15 | Thunder_Child | so do pedophiles |
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| 05:19.34 | Shirik | Haha |
| 05:19.40 | Shirik | Random fact of the day |
| 05:20.02 | Shirik | 1 gram of antimatter is sufficient to produce a bomb that is 3 times the destructive force of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima |
| 05:20.07 | Shirik | We can currently produce antimatter |
| 05:20.31 | Shirik | If we were to try to do this, it would cost approximately $100 quadrillion dollars and take 2 billion years to produce 1 bomb, at current rates of production |
| 05:20.36 | Jamash | awesome |
| 05:20.39 | Zyn | and when we do, there will be one hell of a bang |
| 05:20.40 | mikma | shnould i buy Assassin's Creed 2 White Edition (pc)? |
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| 05:20.55 | DWSR | no |
| 05:21.03 | Jamash | do you like assassins and also creeds? |
| 05:21.14 | DWSR | You should not buy Assassin's Creed 2,. |
| 05:21.22 | Jamash | why not? |
| 05:21.33 | DWSR | You should pirate it and then send the publisher the cost of one game. |
| 05:21.39 | DWSR | Jamash: Because of the DRM. |
| 05:21.43 | Jamash | oh hat |
| 05:21.46 | Jamash | *that |
| 05:21.55 | Jamash | buy it and then crack it? |
| 05:22.38 | Jamash | that's what I always used to do with blizzard games that had CD checks, before they patched those out |
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| 05:22.38 | DWSR | Jamash: Be environmentally friendly. |
| 05:22.40 | DWSR | Don't bother buying the box. |
| 05:23.00 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 05:23.01 | Thunder_Child | digitally then? |
| 05:23.03 | Shirik | bank of america is screwed |
| 05:23.20 | Shirik | Bank of America Platinum Plus Visa: Current balance $376.04 |
| 05:23.22 | Shirik | I click on it |
| 05:23.26 | Kraps | win http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkqAErSitJM&feature=email |
| 05:23.33 | Shirik | $296.04is your Current Balance |
| 05:23.57 | Thunder_Child | the first is w/o pending charges |
| 05:24.00 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 05:24.03 | Jamash | probably |
| 05:24.10 | Taroven | Someone please explain to me this madness with SetHorizTile/SetVertTile and why Blizz didn't just leave SetTexCoordModifiesRect alone? |
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| 05:24.18 | DWSR | Kraps: rofl |
| 05:25.10 | Taroven | Specifically the Set{Horiz/Vert}Tile thing, since it confuses me as to why one would want tiled statusbar textures by default. |
| 05:27.32 | DWSR | Taroven: Yeah, that is a little wierd. |
| 05:29.35 | Thunder_Child | hmm...interesting fail. so SC2 freezes on me and so does HoN, but not any other game |
| 05:29.38 | Kraps | omg halp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdUMy9HzdWo&feature=related |
| 05:30.04 | Taroven | Perhaps the better question. I've heard that the tiling functions lock after being set. So the question is, if using statusbar:GetStatusbarTexture():SetVertTile(false), am I still able to at do SetHorizTile(false), or am I fucked? |
| 05:32.11 | Shirik | FAIL |
| 05:32.16 | Shirik | FAIL SO FUCKING HARDCORE OMG |
| 05:32.20 | Shirik | Thunder_Child you did it didn't you |
| 05:32.28 | Shirik | I FINALLY got everything figured out |
| 05:32.31 | Shirik | all my money ready |
| 05:32.39 | Shirik | Important Notice! |
| 05:32.39 | Shirik | This item is currently not in stock. We are accepting orders and it will be shipped when in stock. Orders will be filled in the order they are received. Your card will be charged upon placing the order. |
| 05:33.26 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: yes |
| 05:33.38 | Shirik | let's see if amazon can save my sanity |
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| 05:35.54 | Sabaren | @Thunder_Child: HoN and SC2 are in beta, that's probably why they freeze :P |
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| 05:38.48 | Thunder_Child | Sabaren: they didnt use to |
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| 05:40.52 | Sabaren | It would suck if the two were related but it could just be coincidence. |
| 05:41.37 | Thunder_Child | well i thought it was the gfx drivers since there was something about the fans shutting down but that wanst it |
| 05:44.48 | Shirik | huh |
| 05:44.57 | Shirik | went to Adorama instead and ended up saving a little under $100 anyway |
| 05:52.35 | Shirik | and that's that |
| 05:52.42 | Shirik | Total: $2,606.78 |
| 05:53.04 | nevcairiel | hijacks Shirik's delivery and ebays it off |
| 05:53.10 | Shirik | fuuuu |
| 05:53.36 | Thunder_Child | hijacks nevcairiel's hijack and takes pictures |
| 05:53.41 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 05:53.55 | Corrodias | some recent nvidia driver had a bug that caused some cards to burn, yeah |
| 05:53.56 | durcyn | but what ever are you going to do with five ipads |
| 05:54.19 | Corrodias | i don't use recent drivers, and i never change without searching forums for reports on how good they are |
| 05:54.22 | Thunder_Child | yes but this new one is supposed to have fixed it |
| 05:54.43 | nevcairiel | do you use the beta driver specificly released for sc2? |
| 05:55.10 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 05:55.39 | nevcairiel | get 197.25, it has some compatibility fixes for SC2 |
| 05:56.47 | Thunder_Child | it's not just SC2 however |
| 05:57.30 | nevcairiel | if the other things that freeze happen to use DX8, the driver might fix it too :D |
| 05:58.10 | Thunder_Child | what does wow use? |
| 05:58.32 | nevcairiel | 9 |
| 05:58.50 | Thunder_Child | wait...SC2 uses 8? |
| 05:59.57 | Shirik | given how long it's been in development, I wouldn't be surprised |
| 05:59.58 | Shirik | lol |
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| 06:00.17 | nevcairiel | no, but the driver contains SC2 fixes, and DX8 fixes |
| 06:00.28 | Thunder_Child | so it does |
| 06:00.36 | Thunder_Child | i'll give it a whirl |
| 06:03.25 | Amarande | hmm |
| 06:03.37 | Amarande | if you turn off XP gain, do you get extra gold from quests like when you've maxed your level out normally? |
| 06:03.48 | nevcairiel | i doubt it |
| 06:03.50 | Corrodias | the driver shouldn't -need- sc2 fixes, but you know how these things go |
| 06:04.14 | Corrodias | so i ask, what has blizzard managed to do differently from everybody else such that it doesn't work without special exceptions? |
| 06:04.30 | Jamash | no driver implements the whole standard 100% |
| 06:04.54 | Jamash | so there's always some edge case that new games bump up against |
| 06:05.22 | Corrodias | i'd expect it of old games, where they relied on undefined or incorrect behavior |
| 06:05.38 | Corrodias | but a new game? didn't they test it on existing hardware and drivers? |
| 06:07.09 | ZorbaTHut | didn't that driver come out *after* sc2 beta? |
| 06:07.19 | ZorbaTHut | and, honestly, do you expect blizzard to test every imaginable combination of driver and hardware? |
| 06:07.58 | Corrodias | i do not, but i'd expect them to test SOME existing driver that doesn't have special tweaks for their game |
| 06:08.53 | Taroven | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1999297/WoWScrnShot_033110_155129.jpg - How the heck do I stop the bars from randomly tiling like that? |
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| 06:11.06 | Amarande | is pondering leaving this priest at 70 for a while |
| 06:11.29 | Amarande | thanks to the WotLK dungeon finder, oddly enough, I've finally managed to get to enjoy BC as I wished I could during BC |
| 06:12.54 | Amarande | the main thing that stopped me from having fun in BC was ... not being able to get 5-man groups |
| 06:13.06 | Amarande | but now that we have the dungeon finder ... heh ... I hit 70 in Zangarmarsh |
| 06:13.48 | Amarande | as an enchanter in a guild with quite a number of 35-59's, too, it seems like I ought to stop at 70 for a while and gather up those enchants :) |
| 06:14.11 | Amarande | ... hopefully the next trip through steamvaults is less harrowing though |
| 06:14.14 | Amarande | destroy the damn tank you pugs :P |
| 06:14.57 | Corrodias | i remember the early days of BC, groups everywhere as people levelled |
| 06:15.38 | Corrodias | then i tried levelling my hunter, and i just gave up on groups in pre-outlands because there weren't any. it felt shameful to have ramparts as my first serious dungeon to try playing a competent hunter in. |
| 06:17.15 | ZorbaTHut | it'll be interesting to see if the LFD system produces generally more competent players in Cataclysm |
| 06:17.25 | Jamash | I hope so |
| 06:17.36 | Thunder_Child | no |
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| 06:34.14 | Thunder_Child | i would like to hurt whomever thought that hardcover was the 'better' version |
| 06:35.18 | Amarande | Zorba: it certainly gives you acid tests of healing capability |
| 06:35.38 | Amarande | it's fun healing a group of mostly 68s and 69s in Steamvaults when they let Kallithresh go into hard mode heh |
| 06:37.05 | Amarande | in the end, the only people standing were me and a DPS warrior |
| 06:37.17 | Amarande | it looked like we were about to wipe with him literally down at 2000hp or so :P |
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| 06:39.09 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if anyone ever clicks Random Burning Crusade Heroic |
| 06:39.24 | Jerub | Amarande: a guildmate was farming rep doing that |
| 06:39.30 | Jerub | but queue times were 60+mins |
| 06:39.42 | Jerub | xp rewards from wotlk dungeons are just too awesome. |
| 06:39.42 | Amarande | yeah, I'm thinking whether to go there or to regular steamvaults |
| 06:39.52 | Amarande | xp is bad at 70 when you're an enchanter |
| 06:39.54 | Jerub | Amarande: use the "queue for multiple dungeons" |
| 06:40.02 | Amarande | particularly if you have guildies that can actually use the level 35 enchants |
| 06:40.23 | Amarande | I don't think there's any really feasible way to max more than maybe *one* BC dungeon faction without suspending XP. |
| 06:41.17 | Jerub | Amarande: i think the only way those enchants are still in the system is because people played wow before wotlk ;) |
| 06:42.11 | zenzio | LF enchanter for Fiery Weapon pst!! |
| 06:42.21 | Jerub | mongoose :( |
| 06:42.31 | zenzio | Mongoose is too recent, fool |
| 06:42.37 | zenzio | think vanilla |
| 06:43.55 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, people still get them from doing the occasional retro run |
| 06:44.18 | Amarande | Fiery's easy to get, since it's not BoP |
| 06:45.04 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: yeah, my guild does retro runs for achievements occasionally. |
| 06:45.13 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: but we rarely get good drops |
| 06:45.22 | Jerub | also, wtf, slashdot has achievements? |
| 06:45.53 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember now how evil BC heroics were. |
| 06:46.57 | Amarande | 'course, the fun thing is you can do BC heroics at 70 with WotLK enchants and gems |
| 06:48.27 | nevcairiel | i liked BC heroics, they were fun |
| 06:50.21 | Amarande | I can't remember off the top of my head what the gear metric to tell whether you're okay to go to a BC heroic is, though |
| 06:50.44 | nevcairiel | blue lvl 70 gear, what else |
| 06:51.16 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Amarelya&gn=Clad+in+the+Light <-- am I good to go yet for BC heroics or will I fail horribly? :) |
| 06:52.19 | Amarande | (yes, I was actually insane enough to craft the crown of the sea witch heh) |
| 06:52.38 | Amarande | (actually it's not that bad, other than having to wait an age and a half for enough shadow pearls to show up on AH) |
| 06:54.30 | Amarande | btw, is the armory ever going to fix the "of the Elder" bug? |
| 06:56.18 | Amarande | also: note that I only have Auchindoun and Coilfang heroic keys as of yet, so there's a good chance of me drawing places like heroic steamvault and slabs. :) |
| 06:56.52 | Amarande | you know, I've never done heroic slabs ... is that one as evil as it seemed to have a rep for being during BC? |
| 06:57.16 | nevcairiel | in the beginning it was challenging and took a bit longer then others, but it was never evil |
| 06:58.28 | Amarande | or maybe people just hated slabs for some reason or other |
| 06:58.56 | Amarande | the only thing that really irritated me much about it on normal at least was the amount of luck involved on the Inciter |
| 06:59.32 | Amarande | on my warlock, at least, I had a sad tendency to keep ending up 1) always picking up aggro first after MC was over, and 2) never being close enough to the tank to be saved :| |
| 07:00.20 | Amarande | is thinking that it may have had to do with dots |
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| 07:01.24 | Corrodias | oh that guy was a blast |
| 07:02.58 | Corrodias | it could be fun to watch the AI fail to do anything useful with a character. also amusing to see them gang up on somebody and actually be dangerous. |
| 07:08.19 | Amarande | I think the trouble with the warlock was probably that because the MC was short and was an aggro drop |
| 07:08.29 | Amarande | dots that get placed soon before MC starts, are sometimes still there when MC ends |
| 07:08.38 | Amarande | thus guaranteeing that your squishy warlock will be the first one to grab aggro :| |
| 07:08.53 | Amarande | and like I said, there's *no* way to tell who will be where and whether the tank will be able to pick him up in time |
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| 07:20.34 | Wobin | Time for FUN! |
| 07:21.09 | Torhal | mercilessly assaults Wobin the Inciter. |
| 07:24.24 | ZorbaTHut | Leap of Faith (level 85): Pull a party or raid member to your location. Leap of Faith (or "Life Grip") is intended to give priests a tool to help rescue fellow players who have pulled aggro, are being focused on in PvP, or just can't seem to get out of the fire in time. Instant. 30-yard range. 45-second cooldown. |
| 07:24.29 | ZorbaTHut | holy fuck I want to play a priest now |
| 07:24.43 | nevcairiel | woops, i accidentally pulled the tank |
| 07:24.45 | nevcairiel | sorry guys |
| 07:24.59 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder if there'll be some kind of a diminishing return on target |
| 07:25.08 | ZorbaTHut | otherwise I'm imagining a pile of priests just bouncing the tank around so the boss can't hit him |
| 07:25.22 | Corrodias | hey ZorbaTHut, is that an instant-cast? |
| 07:25.35 | ZorbaTHut | corrodias, look at the third-to-last sentence in that paste |
| 07:25.36 | nevcairiel | it says it is. |
| 07:25.52 | Wobin | ...lifegrip? |
| 07:26.02 | Corrodias | third to last... right. so that means it works in midair. |
| 07:26.13 | Corrodias | good thing it's party members only |
| 07:26.16 | Corrodias | presumably |
| 07:26.20 | Wobin | that would be awesome |
| 07:26.34 | Wobin | especially if the healer pulls aggro from a pat =P |
| 07:26.38 | Wobin | Hey tank! |
| 07:26.41 | Wobin | YOINK |
| 07:26.44 | ZorbaTHut | oh man maybe they shouldn't be giving that to a class with levitate |
| 07:26.49 | ZorbaTHut | so much griefing potential |
| 07:26.51 | Wobin | heheh |
| 07:26.52 | Corrodias | a whole new way of zeppelin griefing |
| 07:26.56 | Wobin | I <3 that |
| 07:27.05 | ZorbaTHut | at the very least they should make it "not while falling" :) |
| 07:27.08 | nevcairiel | I would bet it only works on group members |
| 07:27.20 | Wobin | you can still grief group members =) |
| 07:27.35 | nevcairiel | and if the multiple priest thing becomes an issue, i already picture a PW:S like debuff |
| 07:28.55 | ccox | http://www.fastcompany.com/1609436/murdoch-google-death-of-newspaper-printing-press-ipad-news-copyright <-- best. juxtaposition. ever. |
| 07:29.29 | Taroven | Woot! My new shammy is named Googlewave. |
| 07:29.49 | nevcairiel | reports Taroven |
| 07:29.54 | Taroven | NUUUUUS |
| 07:30.10 | Taroven | You wouldn't be that mean to me, Nev. |
| 07:30.18 | Taroven | Or at least, I hope you wouldn't. >.>; |
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| 07:38.01 | haste | fffffuuuuu, I put on 2l coffee, forget about it, return to see both empty |
| 07:38.20 | zenzio | you made invisible coffee |
| 07:42.30 | haste | clearly :( |
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| 07:56.32 | DWSR | Leap of Faith (level 85): Pull a party or raid member to your location. Leap of Faith (or "Life Grip") is intended to give priests a tool to help rescue fellow players who have pulled aggro, are being focused on in PvP, or just can't seem to get out of the fire in time. Instant. 30-yard range. 45-second cooldown. |
| 07:56.33 | DWSR | HAX |
| 07:58.41 | zenzio | so there'll be shadowfire and shadowfrost spells.. now give warriors electrophysical attacks |
| 07:59.32 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr welcome to ten minutes ago |
| 07:59.36 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah. |
| 07:59.40 | DWSR | That's fucking stupid. |
| 07:59.46 | ZorbaTHut | pfft I think it's awesome |
| 07:59.55 | ZorbaTHut | it will be glorious, pulling people around all the time |
| 08:00.00 | DWSR | It'll be fucking stupid. |
| 08:00.11 | ZorbaTHut | I could have used it literally yesterday so much (admittedly on my druid, but) |
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| 08:00.30 | zenzio | friendly Death Grip |
| 08:00.43 | DWSR | They should have just made Death Grip castable on friendlies. |
| 08:00.54 | krka | druids will get Uproot, which will throw a friendly player 30 feet in the air |
| 08:00.58 | ZorbaTHut | pulling friends out of fire is not really the kind of thing death knights are known for |
| 08:01.05 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Out? |
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| 08:01.09 | ZorbaTHut | krka, if it doesn't prevent falling damage, I am all for it |
| 08:01.09 | DWSR | Hihi, pulling you into fire. |
| 08:01.10 | DWSR | kthx. |
| 08:01.22 | Kanedra | Good morning :) |
| 08:01.28 | DWSR | AMS, run in, DG friendly healer, run out. |
| 08:01.31 | DWSR | Ultimate griefing. |
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| 08:05.05 | Kanedra | Man, there's a percent function in Pitbull :( |
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| 08:06.31 | zenzio | I hope they do the warrior preview next |
| 08:06.59 | Zyonin | Greetings channel dwellers |
| 08:07.05 | zenzio | heya |
| 08:07.16 | Kanedra | I have to wait for like.. april 16th before paladin changes come out :< |
| 08:07.39 | Kanedra | Gotta love playing the most complicated class ;p |
| 08:08.32 | zenzio | "Paladins were too hard to balance. As a result, they are being discontinued." |
| 08:09.05 | Kanedra | What, no |
| 08:09.06 | Kanedra | ;( |
| 08:09.09 | Kanedra | I'll just cry then |
| 08:10.20 | zenzio | you realise I was joking? :-p |
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| 08:10.51 | ZorbaTHut | they'll be taking every paladin player and randomly redistribute them to the remaining nine classes |
| 08:14.56 | Kalroth | Paladins will be made a little more overpowered. "So what if you were too dumb to play a proper class, Blizzard still likes you! Here, have some attacks/heals/aggro abilities that you don't have to activate, they'll activate themselves!" |
| 08:15.47 | Kanedra | (Yeah, zenzio, I realized that ;p) |
| 08:16.17 | Kanedra | What's up with the hatred towards paladins! :( |
| 08:16.36 | haste | it all started with reckoning bombs and bubble+hs |
| 08:16.43 | haste | kazzak agrees |
| 08:17.11 | Kalroth | I'm horde, it all started back in alpha. |
| 08:22.26 | Kanedra | hahaha. |
| 08:22.40 | Kanedra | I don't think I've ever done a bubble+hs combination. |
| 08:22.49 | Kanedra | I just kill+hs, really. |
| 08:24.09 | olafski | hm I wonder if Yahtzee has a cold or something =( |
| 08:24.49 | haste | he sounded depressed yesterday :V |
| 08:25.00 | olafski | yeah |
| 08:25.09 | olafski | almost as if he felt bad about badmouthing GOW3 :P |
| 08:25.17 | haste | like his worst review in a while |
| 08:25.23 | olafski | "I know I have to give this a bad review because I'm me, but I like this game" :) |
| 08:25.34 | olafski | it was very unentertaining |
| 08:25.48 | olafski | while entertaining is what ZP has to be |
| 08:25.49 | Fisker | haste |
| 08:26.09 | Fisker | stop killing me |
| 08:26.14 | haste | noes |
| 08:30.50 | Fisker | why does this e-mail tell me that they have verification but then tell me that i have to verify my account? |
| 08:31.48 | Fisker | Leap of Faith (level 85): Pull a party or raid member to your location. Leap of Faith (or "Life Grip") is intended to give priests a tool to help rescue fellow players who have pulled aggro, are being focused on in PvP, or just can't seem to get out of the fire in time. Instant. 30-yard range. 45-second cooldown. |
| 08:31.58 | Kaso | life grip is awesome |
| 08:31.59 | Fisker | Gonna be awesome for those situations you don't want a rogue topping the meters |
| 08:32.05 | Kaso | lol |
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| 08:34.43 | Kaso | So the new haste on hots/dots, will that mean that haste will have usefulness plateaus for dot/hot classes? for example if you have just not quite enough haste to add a new tick to your spell? |
| 08:35.42 | Kanedra | Lol, Fisker |
| 08:35.44 | Kanedra | As a shadow priest |
| 08:35.47 | Kanedra | You get annoyed by healing meters |
| 08:35.58 | Kanedra | 'Shadow Priest casts Leap of Faith' |
| 08:36.12 | Kanedra | *Damage meters, then ;) |
| 08:36.24 | Fisker | indeed |
| 08:38.43 | Fisker | sweet |
| 08:38.56 | Fisker | We pulled Misery because we are pulling every group benefit that improves hit. |
| 08:39.02 | Kanedra | Yeah. |
| 08:39.16 | Kanedra | I love what they're doing to the 'lets invite that class because we miss druid buffs' thing. |
| 08:40.15 | Fisker | i was more annoyed at the fact that alliance had +1% hit |
| 08:42.18 | Fisker | I have recently moved from the UK to Thailand. I have found that the game is unplayable logging into EU servers due to a 3k ping. |
| 08:42.21 | Fisker | Can I change my account to a US account? |
| 08:42.27 | Fisker | i wonder how that works |
| 08:43.18 | nevcairiel | you cant, people tried :d |
| 08:43.38 | Kaso | im not sure you can do that |
| 08:43.52 | zenzio | just get a US account and reroll like everyone else |
| 08:44.40 | Fisker | nevcairiel read |
| 08:44.40 | Fisker | reeeeeeeeeead |
| 08:44.40 | Fisker | How does changing to an US account improve his latency? |
| 08:44.40 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 08:44.59 | nevcairiel | he can use oceanic servers then |
| 08:45.35 | Kaso | arent they hosted in US anyway though? |
| 08:46.11 | Fisker | oceanic servers are still in the US |
| 08:46.11 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 08:46.37 | nevcairiel | still better then 3k ping |
| 08:46.56 | Kanedra | 3k ping? |
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| 08:47.06 | Kanedra | Even when I play at the US servers, I don't even get 400ms ping |
| 08:47.14 | Kanedra | And I live insanely far from the US |
| 08:47.21 | nevcairiel | the moon? |
| 08:47.37 | Kanedra | Beyond! |
| 08:47.43 | zenzio | I was usually in the yellow range when I played on a US realm; but that was years ago |
| 08:48.06 | Fisker | i doubt it nevcairiel |
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| 08:49.00 | nevcairiel | wth is up with LFD lately, i have wait time as a healer |
| 08:49.04 | nevcairiel | i should go tank instead |
| 08:49.33 | Kaso | In the priest preview they talk about a big tank healing shield for disc |
| 08:49.53 | Kanedra | what |
| 08:49.57 | Kanedra | I always have wait times as a healer |
| 08:50.01 | Kaso | i think some sort of channeled shield could be fun, gotta concentrate to keep the bubble up |
| 08:51.14 | nevcairiel | you read wrong |
| 08:51.25 | nevcairiel | They talk about making healing more attractive for disc |
| 08:51.30 | nevcairiel | so you dont exclusively shield |
| 08:51.55 | zenzio | they did also say something about a bigger shield |
| 08:52.05 | ZorbaTHut | kaso, the problem with channels is that they are fundamentally "sit here and watch while your character has fun" |
| 08:52.16 | Kanedra | Is Mind Flay still channeled? |
| 08:52.30 | nevcairiel | We want to improve Discipline's single-target healing capacity. One key is to make sure shielding isn't always a more attractive option than healing. |
| 08:52.32 | nevcairiel | what iread ^ |
| 08:53.05 | Kaso | "we've also discussed giving Discipline a second shield so that they have a small shield to cast on lots of different targets, and a big, more expensive shield to cast on a tank or anyone else taking a ton of damage." |
| 08:53.42 | nevcairiel | they've discussed but didnt end up as an announced talent .. not happening? :D |
| 08:53.52 | zenzio | this is a preview |
| 08:54.04 | zenzio | there'll be more fun stuff coming |
| 08:54.42 | haste | lies! this is it! |
| 08:56.21 | nevcairiel | shields are already OP, i dont think they'll give them another even bigger one |
| 08:56.22 | Fisker | haste zenzio |
| 08:57.19 | olafski | in the rest of the post it does say that they're adding a group-shield |
| 08:57.22 | Kanedra | Ah, switching to ZOMGBuffs seems like a good idea |
| 08:57.23 | olafski | might as well make the normal shield bigger then |
| 08:57.34 | Kaso | at least we'll go down from three candles a wipe to just two! |
| 08:57.38 | olafski | =) |
| 08:58.03 | haste | not like candles are an issue |
| 08:58.12 | Kanedra | Just get an engineer with you ;p |
| 08:58.27 | haste | I'm pretty good at stacking up tho' |
| 08:58.38 | haste | and we go have several engineers as well |
| 08:58.40 | olafski | I usually bring 4 stacks of them.. that's enough =) |
| 08:58.46 | haste | same |
| 08:58.53 | Kanedra | I always have 800 candles with me |
| 08:58.54 | haste | or 8 when I feel like being lazy for a while |
| 08:59.03 | Kanedra | *Symbol of Kings, then |
| 08:59.21 | olafski | I always feel like being lazy, but whenever I visit a town I can't help but click on a repair dude and a reagent vendor anyway |
| 08:59.33 | Kanedra | Hah. |
| 08:59.41 | Kanedra | I love my Jeeves for that, seriously ;p |
| 08:59.59 | olafski | I don't get my gf.. she always has full bags even though she has AutoVendor installed |
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| 09:00.19 | olafski | annoying to have to wait for her while she decides which item to throw away all the time :P |
| 09:00.26 | Kanedra | Hahaha. |
| 09:00.30 | Kanedra | Give her some larger bags? ;p |
| 09:00.36 | olafski | meh 20 slot should be enough |
| 09:00.38 | olafski | we're lvl 72 |
| 09:00.41 | Kanedra | oh |
| 09:00.49 | Kanedra | Yeah, I have no 20 slot bags |
| 09:00.53 | olafski | all she has to do is click on a vendor |
| 09:01.00 | olafski | autovendor empties the bags and we can continue |
| 09:02.04 | olafski | maybe I should just log her char while she's at work and organize her bags for her |
| 09:02.16 | olafski | but I think she will notice that everything is suddenly in order, rather than the empty slots being randomly distributed |
| 09:05.59 | Fisker | Â |
| 09:06.21 | Kaso | i hope radiance works like Deep wounds etc rather than overwriting a GH radiance with a coh radiance |
| 09:07.45 | nevcairiel | you cant overwrite any stronger HoT with a weaker one |
| 09:08.12 | Kaso | true |
| 09:08.23 | nevcairiel | it was pretty annoying before everyone got their own hot |
| 09:08.24 | Fisker | Kaso how do you want to be blown up? |
| 09:08.35 | Kaso | well then, i hope further radiances arent wasted when a big one is on then |
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| 09:08.38 | Kaso | blown up? |
| 09:09.20 | Fisker | yes |
| 09:10.15 | Kaso | i dont follow you |
| 09:10.42 | olafski | he isn't meant to be followed |
| 09:12.46 | Fisker | i don't use twitter |
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| 09:13.30 | Kaso | let me paraphrase |
| 09:13.38 | Kaso | What the hell are you talking about!? |
| 09:14.10 | Fisker | i will physically harm you using an explosive device, however i'm still pretty unsure as to the how |
| 09:14.18 | Torhal | pours hot grits down Fisker's pants. |
| 09:14.36 | Fisker | sweet |
| 09:15.16 | Kaso | well then can i suggest you use as little explosives as possible |
| 09:15.52 | Fisker | ah the economic version |
| 09:16.37 | Torhal | Fisker: Would napalm suffice? |
| 09:18.13 | Fisker | maybe? |
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| 09:36.36 | olafski | bleh I ask a BS to make me one of each of the tempered saronite items and it takes him like 30 seconds to find them |
| 09:38.26 | Kaso | do people not know that crafting has search nowadays >< |
| 09:39.12 | nevcairiel | or just click "with materials" |
| 09:39.23 | nevcairiel | or have materials, whatever its called |
| 09:40.05 | olafski | yeah |
| 09:40.14 | olafski | he linked his BS to me, I just entered "tempered" and got a neat little list |
| 09:40.40 | olafski | oh well, 10 new items, should keep me properly geared for a few levels |
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| 09:51.19 | ZorbaTHut | aww they're getting rid of the draenai +hit talent |
| 09:51.58 | nevcairiel | theyre getting rid of all hit buffs or talents |
| 09:52.09 | ZorbaTHut | I liked being incredibly annoying to minmax ;) |
| 09:52.15 | ZorbaTHut | (yeah it's a really good change) |
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| 10:02.54 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 10:03.32 | haste | hey Fisker |
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| 10:03.57 | Fisker | besides bringer the player and not the class is moot as long as there is a hybrid tax |
| 10:03.57 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 10:03.59 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 10:04.39 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 10:04.56 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 10:05.32 | ZorbaTHut | eh, competency is a far stronger effect than the hybrid class is |
| 10:09.00 | DWSR | Fisker: Hybrid tax isn't strong enough, imo. |
| 10:09.23 | Fisker | Well maybe if we're comparing retards to compentent people ZorbaTHut |
| 10:09.56 | Fisker | in high-end raiding, however, that isn't an issue |
| 10:10.35 | ZorbaTHut | depends what you mean by "high-end" |
| 10:10.57 | Fisker | i don't really think it does |
| 10:10.58 | ZorbaTHut | unless you're doing hardmodes regularly, competency is a bigger factor. if you *are* doing hardmodes regularly, competency is *absolutely* a bigger factor because you can't find people who are good enough to raid |
| 10:11.25 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: you may be able to find 25 pure class players that are competent |
| 10:11.31 | foxlit | Where does that leave competent hybrids? |
| 10:11.43 | ZorbaTHut | I haven't heard of any really serious guilds stacking pure-DPS players, so I'm inclined to state that the problem is largely a non-issue |
| 10:11.45 | Fisker | ding ding ding |
| 10:13.04 | foxlit | At they moment, they still contribute esoteric buffs. |
| 10:13.37 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You probably haven't heard about it because some pure DPS classes are behind hybrid classes. |
| 10:13.41 | foxlit | Not that I'm suggesting that they're doomed the moment that they remove them, but meh. |
| 10:14.15 | ZorbaTHut | so I'm trying to find info on the exact class composition for the paragon 25m LK hardmode kill and failing |
| 10:14.21 | ZorbaTHut | but I'm entertained to see that it includes no mages |
| 10:14.37 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 10:14.38 | ZorbaTHut | so uh I'm sorry but I'm not hugely concerned that hybrid classes will be kicked out of high-end raiding guilds. |
| 10:14.41 | Fisker | http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/lich-king-25-heroic-world-first-kill-by-paragon/ |
| 10:14.57 | Fisker | Funny how there are no shamans |
| 10:15.03 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, aside from the shaman, yes |
| 10:15.06 | Fisker | i wonder if those 2 frost death knights make up for that |
| 10:15.09 | Fisker | *cough cough* |
| 10:15.46 | ZorbaTHut | shadow priest, fury warrior, two ret paladins, *three* DPS druids, presumably one to three tank DKs |
| 10:15.59 | ZorbaTHut | er, dps DKs |
| 10:16.38 | ZorbaTHut | Sorry. Not concerned. People have been talking about how omg hybrids are doomed pretty much ever since they existed, and yet, curiously, it's never been a problem. |
| 10:17.00 | foxlit | There are no, say, Resto druids. |
| 10:17.13 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I would imagine that they had a Frost tank DK |
| 10:17.19 | ZorbaTHut | there's 33 specs and 25 raid slots. Someone's going to be left out. |
| 10:17.42 | Fisker | yes |
| 10:17.42 | foxlit | But you're bringing 2x of some specs. |
| 10:17.47 | ZorbaTHut | Probably more than eight people unless they explicitly attempt to cover every single option. |
| 10:17.56 | Fisker | And who's being left out should be according to skill not class or spec |
| 10:18.48 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, I agree, and I see no particular reason to believe it wasn't. |
| 10:18.48 | ZorbaTHut | I mean you were just talking about how hybrids would have trouble getting in |
| 10:18.51 | ZorbaTHut | *and yet* exactly half of their DPS are hybrids |
| 10:19.00 | Fisker | No |
| 10:19.08 | ZorbaTHut | wait no more than half, I didn't count the fury warrior |
| 10:19.12 | Fisker | I was talking about how hybrids were left out due to their class mechanics |
| 10:19.13 | foxlit | Strange argument, really |
| 10:19.27 | foxlit | "Those changes will be bad for hybrids!" "They're fine now, what are you whining about!" |
| 10:19.30 | DWSR | Is LK a 1 tank fight on 25m? |
| 10:19.44 | Fisker | 2 tank on normal |
| 10:19.52 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I think they 2-tanked it, prot pally and feral druid |
| 10:19.58 | Fisker | how do you expcet to one tank it on any difficulty? |
| 10:20.02 | Fisker | expect* |
| 10:20.08 | DWSR | Fisker: I've never seen it, hence the question? |
| 10:20.10 | DWSR | Didn't see the Feral tan. |
| 10:20.12 | DWSR | tank* |
| 10:20.14 | DWSR | Just say Feral |
| 10:21.42 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, I don't believe there's any change being proposed |
| 10:21.42 | Fisker | ah |
| 10:21.42 | ZorbaTHut | the argument is, as near as I can tell, "things are awful now!" "no they aren't, look, here's some evidence" |
| 10:22.24 | Fisker | btw |
| 10:22.28 | DWSR | s/say/saw/ |
| 10:22.31 | Fisker | the shaman who was healing |
| 10:22.34 | Fisker | he was enhancement mainspec |
| 10:22.39 | Fisker | dun dun dun. |
| 10:22.52 | Fisker | i wonder why he wasn't allowed to play his mainspec for that fight |
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| 10:23.13 | ZorbaTHut | gonna go out on a limb here and guess it's because they needed another healer |
| 10:23.55 | Fisker | I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess it's because they do terrible DPS and the addition of an enhancement shaman would've done nothing to their raid composition |
| 10:25.16 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 10:25.22 | Stanzilla | frost dk > enhancement shammy |
| 10:26.11 | Fisker | nonono Stanzilla, because it's bring the player, not the class! |
| 10:26.18 | Fisker | odd btw |
| 10:26.26 | Fisker | i'm geting fps drops by zooming a bit in |
| 10:26.41 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* yeah, there's some specs that are a bit broken right now. it's not limited to hybrid specs though. |
| 10:27.07 | haste | Fisker: gotten it yet? |
| 10:27.17 | DWSR | Stanzilla: You mean because IIT is 100 yards and WF totem is only 40? |
| 10:28.37 | DWSR | I know how much melee love their haste buff though. |
| 10:28.54 | DWSR | I was tanking ICC25 last night and every time I went blood to tank (frost tank for trash), the melee all bitched in vent. |
| 10:31.04 | Fisker | no haste |
| 10:31.47 | Fisker | like in the evening they say it's delayed to april 22nd |
| 10:32.09 | Fisker | pretty sure i could've figured that out myself by the lack of track and trace numbers |
| 10:32.09 | Fisker | :P |
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| 10:37.36 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: So I pulled a winrar move today. |
| 10:37.46 | DWSR | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Emerald%20Dream/Arelin |
| 10:37.50 | DWSR | What do you notice about this? |
| 10:38.27 | Kanedra | Any holy paladin in here that knows how the Glyph of Divinity works? |
| 10:38.46 | ZorbaTHut | your pants? I saw you talking about 'em ;) |
| 10:39.08 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah. |
| 10:39.17 | DWSR | I tanked 25N Festergut with them too. |
| 10:39.41 | DWSR | I was checking my avoidance in Rawr afterwards in order to see what I should throw in for gems and then I realized I had gone *down* in avoidance. |
| 10:39.42 | DWSR | >.< |
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| 10:58.36 | harl | wuff |
| 11:01.25 | Stanzilla | DWSR: yes |
| 11:01.28 | Stanzilla | and late answer is late |
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| 11:10.10 | olafski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFpcTGJwvZ0 genius |
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| 11:29.47 | DWSR | olafski: Indeed. |
| 11:33.43 | Grum | damn that is awesome :D |
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| 11:36.47 | KiVA | hello |
| 11:37.11 | KiVA | can someone check and help with this error: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/135042 objectives tracking wont work somehow |
| 11:40.03 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/blockbuster_you_could_learn_a.php |
| 11:41.10 | mikma | well the problem is right there, FrameXML\WatchFrame.lua line 617 |
| 11:41.15 | haste | KiVA: easiest way to check is to disable half your addons and see if you can re-create it or not |
| 11:41.24 | haste | repeat until bad addon is found |
| 11:44.17 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp14xXwnwJA&feature=player_embedded <-- WINWINWINWINWINW |
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| 11:45.43 | Grum | DWSR: staticscreen makes it :( |
| 11:45.59 | KiVA | i disabled all addons still wont work. objectives with arrow show but there isnt any ach or quests what i track, its empty |
| 11:46.10 | DWSR | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/yow_yow_star_wars_pinuppropaga.php |
| 11:47.10 | Grum | yes works! |
| 11:48.43 | Shirik | ew |
| 11:48.50 | Kanedra | ew? |
| 11:48.52 | Shirik | We detected irregular activity on your Bank of America Credit Card on |
| 11:48.52 | Shirik | 04/08/2010. For your protection, you must verify this activity before you can |
| 11:48.52 | Shirik | continue using your card. |
| 11:48.59 | Shirik | LET ME BUY MY LENS DAMNIT |
| 11:49.47 | Adys | ~ping |
| 11:49.48 | purl | ~pong |
| 11:50.17 | Adys | ~ping |
| 11:50.18 | purl | ~pong |
| 11:50.42 | Shirik | ~pong |
| 11:50.43 | purl | ~ping |
| 11:51.02 | Wobin | ~c-c-c-combo-breaker |
| 11:51.20 | Adys | Something that will never, ever cease to amaze me |
| 11:51.26 | Adys | the amount of trash spells |
| 11:51.29 | Adys | (in wow) |
| 11:51.51 | DWSR | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/you_are_such_a_jerk_dude_blend.php <- Exactly what I want to do to it. |
| 11:51.51 | Adys | there are thousands of spells in some random mobs which are really unique |
| 11:52.08 | Adys | some spells most players never even see |
| 11:52.15 | Adys | and the ones who do don't notice them |
| 11:52.42 | Adys | it's content blizzard never even talks about |
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| 12:03.13 | Maldivia | Adys: well, usually the most unique spells are associated with raid or dungeon bosses |
| 12:03.41 | airtonix | like the 5000 gold spell |
| 12:03.48 | Adys | Maldivia: thats the thing |
| 12:03.50 | Adys | they're not |
| 12:03.56 | airtonix | ^^ |
| 12:03.57 | Adys | you got a bunch of lvl 15 mobs with very unique spells |
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| 12:04.15 | airtonix | and unique spells not used by any mob |
| 12:04.47 | airtonix | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=46642 |
| 12:05.13 | airtonix | well not any NPC in the normal game |
| 12:05.35 | Kaso | I agree with that |
| 12:06.10 | Kaso | as a healer i never know what half the debuffs i dispel do |
| 12:06.16 | Kaso | i just see blue dot and hit dispel |
| 12:06.22 | airtonix | you should |
| 12:06.27 | airtonix | i smell fail |
| 12:06.49 | Maldivia | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=55577 :) |
| 12:06.58 | Maldivia | there are also a LOT of debug/test spells :) |
| 12:08.24 | Kaso | i mean boss spells etc i know em all |
| 12:08.39 | airtonix | you know nothing child |
| 12:08.39 | Maldivia | Adys: but any spell in particular you're thinking of? |
| 12:08.41 | Kaso | but trash spells rarely do anyhting clever |
| 12:09.06 | Adys | not right now Maldivia but i constantly see them since i record them |
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| 12:10.21 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=50267 yeah, there's a *ton* of small things in this game |
| 12:10.54 | nevcairiel | thats a valid spell at least |
| 12:11.03 | nevcairiel | there are tons of debug/old/test spells |
| 12:11.15 | Wobin | http://www.doctoroctoroc.com/8-bit-dr-horrible/watch.html |
| 12:11.59 | Kaso | i wish wowhead could filter spells by effect |
| 12:12.14 | Kaso | so i could find all other spells that Apply Aura: Mod Attack Power or whatever |
| 12:12.16 | airtonix | i wish it would give me free pizza |
| 12:13.32 | Maldivia | kaso: http://db.mmo-champion.com/spells/?spelleffectproperty_spell__aura=99 |
| 12:14.23 | Kaso | Glad to know someone else but thottbot do that, i'll keep mmo in mind in future |
| 12:14.45 | nevcairiel | if you're missing some filter on db.mmo-c, just yell at Adys to add it |
| 12:15.11 | Adys | yes please |
| 12:15.29 | Adys | i actually have pretty much everything possibly filterable on the db |
| 12:15.31 | Maldivia | and now with cata alpha started, and beta starting soon, there is going to be a lot of new stuff to look at :) |
| 12:15.32 | Adys | i just dont have them all in js |
| 12:15.54 | Adys | Maldivia: I dont think its been announced :P |
| 12:17.02 | Maldivia | Adys: well, just refering to news sites online :) |
| 12:17.09 | Adys | *shrugs* |
| 12:17.27 | Adys | my god that was the most amazing eots flag cap ever |
| 12:17.35 | DWSR | No it wasn't. |
| 12:17.39 | DWSR | Stop lying to yourself. |
| 12:17.41 | Adys | yep, it damn was |
| 12:19.30 | Kaso | Adys: I've never really used mmo-c db much, but one thing that always bugged me about wowhead, i wonder if you can do. Can you do like full logical filters, so like "Show me items with spellpower > 0 AND ( spirit > 0 OR mp5 > 0) for example |
| 12:19.44 | Kaso | wowhead only allows AND/OR on an all rule basis |
| 12:20.11 | Adys | i could, but i dont know how to express it in a GET |
| 12:21.03 | Adys | i guess i could do something like |
| 12:22.04 | Adys | hmm |
| 12:22.08 | Maldivia | Just implement some form of expression builder |
| 12:22.10 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/042010/looking_for_female_sperm_vampire.jpg |
| 12:22.19 | Wobin | the second last word makes the whole article =P |
| 12:22.50 | Adys | Maldivia: like how? |
| 12:23.09 | Maldivia | a SQL pseudo type language? |
| 12:23.20 | Maldivia | for instance like world of logs uses for their log browser |
| 12:23.22 | Adys | overkill and error-prone |
| 12:23.31 | Fisker | no no no no no no no no |
| 12:23.38 | Fisker | btw Wobin |
| 12:23.44 | Fisker | i almost died because of mrplow |
| 12:23.46 | Fisker | bastard |
| 12:24.25 | Wobin | Fisker, that sounds awesome |
| 12:24.42 | DWSR | Wobin: Cute. That from the Twilight forums or something? |
| 12:25.01 | Adys | Maldivia: right now, the filters are on a simple dict lookup with __keywords |
| 12:25.09 | Adys | what i can do is something like |
| 12:25.22 | Wobin | DWSR, I'm not sure =) And I'm not going to trace it to find out =P |
| 12:25.52 | Fisker | well somehow i hit the plow button during a rotface fight |
| 12:26.02 | Fisker | and then my mouse cursor starting getting items |
| 12:26.04 | Fisker | started* |
| 12:26.55 | Fisker | And then someone fucked up on oozes and i wanted to use my distraction shot and then disengage, but because i haven't bound my disengage it replaced it with conjured manna strudel |
| 12:26.56 | Fisker | ;_; |
| 12:27.02 | Adys | Maldivia: http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?name__icontains=gladiator&__g1__OR={item_itemstat__stat__name=Spirit,item_itemstat__amount=15} |
| 12:27.36 | Maldivia | yeah, was thinking of something like groups in that regard as well |
| 12:29.40 | Adys | ~ping |
| 12:29.40 | purl | ~pong |
| 12:30.43 | Adys | ~ping |
| 12:30.44 | purl | ~pong |
| 12:30.46 | Maldivia | ~pong |
| 12:30.47 | purl | ~ping |
| 12:30.48 | Maldivia | :P |
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| 12:34.39 | Wobin | Fisker, >< |
| 12:34.48 | Wobin | I'll put in a combat check |
| 12:35.06 | nevcairiel | Fisker: cant ever have too much strudel |
| 12:35.11 | Wobin | was it a good strudel though? |
| 12:39.50 | Fisker | i destroyed it |
| 12:40.26 | Fisker | speaking of which i need a buff addon that will either "fix" buffs or put a cancel warning on flasks :P |
| 12:47.34 | nevcairiel | @addon buffprotectorgnome |
| 12:47.39 | nevcairiel | er |
| 12:47.43 | nevcairiel | @project buffprotectorgnome |
| 12:47.44 | Repo | nevcairiel: No project found that matches 'buffprotectorgnome' |
| 12:47.52 | nevcairiel | meh damn search feature |
| 12:48.07 | nevcairiel | @project buff-protector-gnome |
| 12:48.08 | Repo | nevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/addons/buff-protector-gnome/. BuffProtectorGnome. Game: WoW. Rabbit (Manager/Author). Updated: 359 days ago |
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| 13:26.02 | Kraps | so holy priests will be taking up Hinduism |
| 13:26.13 | DWSR | mhm\ |
| 13:26.30 | Kraps | "The idea behind the Holy "cast three in a row" talent (it's called "Chakra")" |
| 13:26.34 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra |
| 13:29.12 | Kraps | Life Grip ftw |
| 13:29.33 | Wobin | Power Word: BArrier ftw |
| 13:29.48 | Kraps | ^ |
| 13:29.50 | zenzio | they need something really new |
| 13:29.50 | Wobin | it'll be like playing with bubblewrap in the middle of a raid |
| 13:29.55 | zenzio | like Powder Word: Rouge |
| 13:30.08 | Wobin | Turns all rogues in the raid into belf males |
| 13:30.45 | Kraps | off to work |
| 13:31.04 | Maldivia | Wobin: sounds kinky |
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| 13:32.14 | Wobin | I'm really tempted to make a level 17 female orc "HasFakeID" |
| 13:32.28 | Elkano | :? |
| 13:32.41 | Wobin | for the Noblegarden ach |
| 13:33.04 | Shirik | ... |
| 13:33.05 | Elkano | mkay... got it last year already ^^ |
| 13:35.50 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 13:35.52 | olafski | I don't get it wobin :( |
| 13:35.55 | olafski | which achievement is this/ |
| 13:36.08 | Wobin | Shake Your Bunnymaker |
| 13:36.35 | olafski | mm just found it.. I still don't see the "hasfakeid" thing |
| 13:36.46 | Wobin | what's the requirement on that achievement |
| 13:37.09 | olafski | hmm.. it's something to do with being underage then I guess =( |
| 13:37.19 | Wobin | the target has to be level 18+ |
| 13:37.26 | olafski | I just saw the 18 thing and figured that's just because they don't want you to make lvl 1 alts to do it with |
| 13:37.41 | Wobin | explains the entire joke to olafski |
| 13:38.45 | Torhal | I've seen guilds with names such as "She Said She Was Level 18" |
| 13:38.47 | olafski | it's fine I lost interest already =( |
| 13:38.57 | Wobin | yeah, that's what -she- said =( |
| 13:39.53 | Torhal | olafski: First version. |
| 13:39.56 | Torhal | :D |
| 13:41.42 | olafski | o rly! |
| 13:41.49 | olafski | haven't seen that in a while |
| 13:41.51 | olafski | guess he didn't reach 200 |
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| 13:53.38 | foxlit | So, that scrollable dropdown they use for titles. |
| 13:54.20 | foxlit | Can I easily clone it and display something else? |
| 13:55.18 | zenzio | just replace its contents and tell your users to open their character sheet for that feature |
| 13:56.04 | foxlit | :) |
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| 13:56.29 | foxlit | Bah, it's a hybridscrollframe hack |
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| 14:02.53 | foxlit | "Leap of Faith (level 85): Pull a party or raid member to your location." |
| 14:03.02 | foxlit | "... to their death." |
| 14:04.20 | Lopeppeppy | Especially into fire!! |
| 14:04.41 | foxlit | Off cliffs you're levitating off off |
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| 14:05.21 | Kaso | priests will be the new griefing champions |
| 14:05.26 | Kaso | i cant wait |
| 14:05.38 | Kanedra | With what range is Leap of Faith? |
| 14:05.49 | Kaso | Leap of faith seems like the wrong name for it though, i aint leaping anywhere |
| 14:06.03 | Kaso | 30 |
| 14:06.09 | Kanedra | ah, darn :< |
| 14:06.15 | Kanedra | They should make that unlimited |
| 14:06.18 | Kaso | lol |
| 14:06.37 | Kanedra | With a major glyph or something |
| 14:06.38 | Kaso | i though 40 would have been nicer, given thats how far we are often back |
| 14:06.50 | Kanedra | I'm always close to the boss when healing :< |
| 14:06.57 | Kanedra | Then again, I am not a priest |
| 14:07.08 | foxlit | Can always increase the range with talents that increase your healing range |
| 14:07.17 | Kanedra | hm, ture. |
| 14:07.18 | Kanedra | true |
| 14:07.24 | Kanedra | I can't wait to see the paladin changes |
| 14:07.52 | Lopeppeppy | I'm... afraid of the list, but I want it! |
| 14:08.36 | Kanedra | The list of changes for paladins, Lopeppeppy? ;p |
| 14:09.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 14:09.20 | Kanedra | Yeah, same here |
| 14:09.30 | Kanedra | aaaah |
| 14:09.33 | Kanedra | But as of now |
| 14:09.39 | Kanedra | Only the new spells already look cool |
| 14:09.44 | Kanedra | But they'll completely change paladins AGAIN |
| 14:10.00 | Kanedra | I mean, the previous change with the seal system, and blessings was already complicated :( |
| 14:10.08 | Lopeppeppy | I've been in love with my healing paladin for a long time, until it got pretty difficult with gearing issues at the end of Sunwell. I've been out of the loop for a while due to hand surgery, so it will be starting fresh. |
| 14:10.22 | Kanedra | You missed nothing ;p |
| 14:10.31 | Kaso | if i were a paladin i would start planning my mourning for beacon of light |
| 14:10.42 | Kanedra | I am currently healing through ICC and all, and gah |
| 14:10.50 | Kaso | Doubt that'll make it through nearly as powerful (for tank healing that is, it'll prob get better for raid healing) |
| 14:10.56 | foxlit | need more single-target nerfs! |
| 14:11.02 | Kanedra | And more party buffs! |
| 14:11.10 | foxlit | indeed. |
| 14:11.16 | Kanedra | Yeah |
| 14:11.17 | Kanedra | it's boring |
| 14:11.26 | Kanedra | To be a single target healer right now |
| 14:11.28 | foxlit | It's also "zomg we need a paladin on tanks" :( |
| 14:11.37 | Kanedra | Yeah :< |
| 14:11.42 | Lopeppeppy | Beacon was a useful trick. But yeah... boring to have two spells and cooldowns I could macro into the ONE spell I was using on tanks. Over and over. |
| 14:11.43 | Kanedra | Only because we crit for 22k holy lights |
| 14:11.44 | Lopeppeppy | One button. |
| 14:11.47 | Kanedra | every second |
| 14:12.05 | Lopeppeppy | If I used my thumb for that spell I'd blame the hand surgery on healing! |
| 14:12.14 | foxlit | It it really every second? |
| 14:12.17 | Kanedra | Well |
| 14:12.21 | Kanedra | Every 1.3 seconds here ;p |
| 14:12.25 | Kanedra | But, I guess the ones with better gear |
| 14:12.42 | foxlit | what pushes it down so much? Thought it was a long spell initially |
| 14:12.49 | Lopeppeppy | Gear, haste, etc... but yeah, it can go down quite a bit. |
| 14:12.56 | Kanedra | foxlit, engineering ;p |
| 14:13.00 | foxlit | gear is haste. |
| 14:13.02 | olafski | if you cast it, your next holy light is quicker iirc? |
| 14:13.06 | Kanedra | That too |
| 14:13.09 | Kanedra | Talents make it faster. |
| 14:13.22 | Kanedra | That's another 0.5 seconds off |
| 14:13.52 | olafski | light's grace |
| 14:13.54 | Kanedra | Indeed. |
| 14:14.05 | Kanedra | Every holy paladin has that 3/3 |
| 14:14.21 | olafski | is that taken off before or after haste is applied? |
| 14:14.27 | Kanedra | Does it matter? |
| 14:14.31 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 14:14.35 | Kanedra | oh |
| 14:14.37 | Kanedra | of course |
| 14:14.37 | Kanedra | uh |
| 14:14.40 | Kanedra | I have no clue, actually. |
| 14:14.51 | foxlit | I'd imagine it's the choice that makes it slower |
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| 14:15.18 | foxlit | Similar to how my Nature's Grace -0.5s used to get reduced by haste. |
| 14:15.29 | Kanedra | ah |
| 14:15.33 | Kanedra | after haste, foxlit;p |
| 14:15.43 | Kanedra | 'My experience with Light's Grace is that it is diminished by your haste. In other words, the .5 second reduction is only applicable if you have 0% haste.' |
| 14:16.00 | foxlit | That'd make it before :) |
| 14:16.05 | Kanedra | uhuh |
| 14:16.14 | Kanedra | gah, fine ;p |
| 14:16.18 | Kanedra | Yeah |
| 14:16.31 | Kanedra | I'm not so good at the theorycrafting and all |
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| 14:16.52 | Lopeppeppy | I suck at that too, sadly. |
| 14:16.55 | foxlit | So it's like 1.5s cast with light's grace, some other -cast time talent, and 0 haste? |
| 14:17.34 | Kanedra | What, no |
| 14:17.41 | Kanedra | I believe it's 3 seconds |
| 14:17.44 | Kanedra | like normal cast |
| 14:17.57 | Kanedra | Oh, 2.5 seconds |
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| 14:18.23 | Wobin | Kanedra, as a pally healer standing next to the boss |
| 14:18.27 | foxlit | Or is there no other -cast time talent? |
| 14:18.36 | Wobin | you probably won't have much opportunity to pull a dps to your spot to 'save' them =P |
| 14:18.55 | Kanedra | Well, we have Judgements of the Pure, that gives us 25% haste like, constantly |
| 14:19.01 | Fisker | Wobin hoho |
| 14:19.09 | Kanedra | *15% haste. |
| 14:19.13 | Kanedra | Hahaha, Wobin ;p |
| 14:19.15 | Kanedra | Yeah >_> |
| 14:19.19 | Kanedra | Wouldn't be that much of a safe. |
| 14:19.25 | Kanedra | *save, what's up with my spelling :< |
| 14:20.09 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 14:21.24 | Kanedra | Yeah, that should be all cast reducing talents, foxlit |
| 14:21.52 | Fisker | want to 31108 Wobin ? |
| 14:22.33 | Kanedra | hm. |
| 14:22.41 | Kanedra | My anti-spam addon didn't catch the following line |
| 14:22.59 | Kanedra | 15:51 [xxx]: YES DUCHE BAG!!! GO AWAY AND NEVER COME BACK!!! FFS!!! HYPOCRITICAL SON OF A !!!!! GRRR! |
| 14:23.17 | Kanedra | Unfortunately! |
| 14:24.12 | Wobin | http://www.geekiz.com/patrick-jean-pixels-un-clip-pour-les-fans-de-retro-gaming |
| 14:24.39 | Fisker | old Wobin |
| 14:24.40 | Fisker | anyway |
| 14:24.41 | Fisker | wanna 31108? |
| 14:25.19 | Wobin | no? |
| 14:25.26 | Kanedra | what is 31108? |
| 14:26.36 | Lopeppeppy | contagious. |
| 14:26.40 | Fisker | turn your monitor upsidedown Kanedra |
| 14:27.22 | Wobin | bolle? |
| 14:28.02 | Fisker | yes Wobin |
| 14:28.08 | Wobin | uwe? |
| 14:28.11 | Fisker | uwe? |
| 14:28.53 | Ackis | good morning everyone: http://ow.ly/1w2I2 (NSFS) |
| 14:28.56 | olafski | did wowhead change their search? |
| 14:29.23 | Kanedra | I can't search for things with ' anymore |
| 14:29.23 | Kanedra | :< |
| 14:29.31 | Fisker | i hate you Ackis |
| 14:29.37 | Ackis | why Fisker? |
| 14:29.37 | Wobin | =( |
| 14:29.41 | Wobin | that's not a good morning |
| 14:29.45 | Fisker | Because now i must destroy the world |
| 14:29.54 | Kanedra | ... ackis |
| 14:29.56 | Kanedra | what the hell |
| 14:30.04 | foxlit | wowhead is silly |
| 14:30.18 | foxlit | They wanted to get rid of a single character in their URLs |
| 14:30.25 | foxlit | So they set up a bunch of redirections |
| 14:30.38 | olafski | kanedra: I use Launchy to search there, but it doesn't work anymore because my spaces get converted to %20 all of a sudden |
| 14:30.39 | foxlit | Unfortunately, those redirections are overzealously encoding stuff. |
| 14:31.08 | olafski | what character did they want to get rid of? |
| 14:31.13 | foxlit | a question mark |
| 14:31.15 | Ackis | Kanedra: your name sounds like Kendra to me in my head. |
| 14:31.22 | foxlit | The search url is no longer /?search=foo but /search?q=foo |
| 14:31.23 | nicoli_s | lol what a hacky way to go about that |
| 14:31.39 | foxlit | Didn't save them in that case, but it works for items and stuff |
| 14:31.40 | olafski | ah fixed it.. nice |
| 14:31.47 | olafski | this url actually became 1 char longer |
| 14:31.47 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/item=28657 vs http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28657 |
| 14:32.16 | Fisker | why the fuck would they do that? |
| 14:33.45 | olafski | updated my launchy urls and it works again.. don't really see why they'd go through that trouble either |
| 14:33.52 | olafski | maybe the ? confused search engines? |
| 14:36.03 | Fisker | why would it? :( |
| 14:37.29 | Kanedra | Google can do everything |
| 14:37.44 | Kanedra | :D |
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| 14:37.48 | Kanedra | And.. Kendra |
| 14:37.54 | Kanedra | Ackis: Who is Kendra? ;p |
| 14:38.00 | Lopeppeppy | My kitty. |
| 14:38.18 | Lopeppeppy | Among other fabulous creatures. |
| 14:38.24 | Ackis | My friend told me he's shagging his girlfriend and her twin, I asked, 'How do you tell them apart?' He replied 'Her brother's got a moustache!!!' |
| 14:38.31 | Kanedra | Oh! |
| 14:38.34 | Kanedra | Kittieess |
| 14:38.43 | Kanedra | I should show you my awesome cat |
| 14:38.56 | olafski | I want a cat |
| 14:39.00 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy |
| 14:39.03 | Shirik | hi |
| 14:39.03 | Ackis | has 7 animals in his house right now |
| 14:39.10 | Fisker | including me |
| 14:39.12 | Fisker | rawr |
| 14:39.14 | Kanedra | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92OU6vZPCxE |
| 14:39.15 | Kanedra | :D |
| 14:40.14 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. *hug* |
| 14:40.23 | Kanedra | I love my cat on that video |
| 14:40.37 | Ackis | "This video contains content from UMG. It is no longer available." |
| 14:40.44 | Kanedra | What. |
| 14:40.52 | foxlit | Works for me, oddly |
| 14:41.01 | Kanedra | UMG? |
| 14:41.03 | foxlit | But you aren't missing anything |
| 14:41.05 | nevcairiel | its country dependant |
| 14:41.06 | Ackis | your dragon age meets the scissor sisters |
| 14:41.10 | Kanedra | Oh |
| 14:41.11 | Kanedra | Yes! |
| 14:41.26 | Kanedra | It fails that they ruined that |
| 14:41.30 | foxlit | nevcairiel: there appears to be no content, unless UMG copyrighted a depiction of a cat |
| 14:41.41 | olafski | you're matsy, kanedra? :p |
| 14:41.45 | Kanedra | Obviously ;p |
| 14:41.47 | Kanedra | OH OF COURSE |
| 14:41.52 | olafski | namechange:O |
| 14:41.54 | Kanedra | Hah, I had a different name here before |
| 14:42.09 | Kanedra | Yeah, the Burning Blade channel likes people to use their in-game names ;p |
| 14:42.10 | nevcairiel | I bet google would rather lock too much and risk having false positives then the other way around |
| 14:42.32 | Ackis | nevcairiel: it's all automated |
| 14:42.35 | nevcairiel | and getting mails from the copyright holders again |
| 14:42.44 | Kanedra | Well |
| 14:42.50 | Kanedra | I added the whole music video of the scissor sisters on there |
| 14:42.55 | Kanedra | I mean, it's not that weird |
| 14:46.01 | Ackis | the scissor sisters makes me think of something that's not a music video |
| 14:46.34 | Fisker | foxlit what doesn <insert company> copyright these days? |
| 14:46.43 | Fisker | Viacom apparently also owns the copyright to Team Fortress 2 movies |
| 14:50.54 | Wobin | that's a very blurry cat, Kanedra |
| 14:51.07 | Kanedra | :< |
| 14:51.13 | Kanedra | It was with my cellphone okay |
| 14:51.13 | olafski | it just moves really fast |
| 14:52.03 | olafski | I finished another page of the asp.net tutorial kanedra =) |
| 14:52.09 | Kanedra | Aaaaah! |
| 14:52.10 | Kanedra | Good! :) |
| 14:52.17 | Kanedra | Is Visual Studio 2010 still being nice to you? |
| 14:52.24 | olafski | yep seems to work fine |
| 14:52.38 | olafski | takes ages and ages to start up though |
| 14:52.44 | Kanedra | Yeah :< |
| 14:53.02 | olafski | maybe because it's a beta they have some profiling thing enabled? |
| 14:53.07 | Kanedra | Well |
| 14:53.11 | Kanedra | It's in RC now. |
| 14:53.18 | Kanedra | It shouldn't have those things anymore |
| 14:53.33 | olafski | mm this time it didn't actually take that long.. maybe it took long last time because I had just closed eclipse and wow |
| 14:53.40 | Kanedra | Eclipse <3 |
| 14:53.57 | olafski | there were also some errors in my program that the tutorial didn't tell me about.. confused me a little but it was easily fixed |
| 14:54.34 | Shirik | Thunder_Child |
| 14:54.36 | Shirik | why do you hate me |
| 14:54.37 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 14:54.41 | Fisker | why do you hate me |
| 14:54.47 | Shirik | because you pinged me |
| 14:54.56 | Fisker | there you have your answer |
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| 15:09.08 | cog|away | Fisker: Shirik |
| 15:09.10 | cog|away | Shirik: Fisker |
| 15:10.21 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 15:10.25 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 15:10.42 | nevcairiel | !api CreateFontString |
| 15:10.42 | lua_bot | Frame:CreateFontString: Creates a new [[docs/widgets/FontString|`FontString`]] as a child of the frame (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/CreateFontString) |
| 15:11.19 | cog|work | Fisker: aww, i hate you too! <3 |
| 15:12.51 | cog|work | <3 is the new h8 |
| 15:13.07 | Lopeppeppy | wow, then you're all in trouble now! |
| 15:24.00 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:24.45 | cog|work | "Even Chuck Norris is no match for the Internet's love of boobs" |
| 15:24.47 | cog|work | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/08/outrageous-google-trends_n_529291.html#s79431 |
| 15:27.48 | Wobin | hehe number of horns on a unicorn |
| 15:34.01 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:40.33 | Wobin | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/04/07/samorost-goes-to-the-movies/#more-28196 |
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| 15:47.22 | Ackis | A World of Warcraft(R) mini Thor in-game pet that can be applied to all World of Warcraft characters on a single Battle.net account. |
| 15:47.29 | Ackis | you get that when you get SC2 CE lol |
| 15:47.51 | olafski | do not want! |
| 15:47.52 | Kanedra | CE? |
| 15:48.01 | Ackis | collectors edition |
| 15:48.07 | Kanedra | hmm |
| 15:48.17 | Kanedra | First the new awesome 2 flyer mount. |
| 15:48.56 | Ackis | 2 flyer mount? |
| 15:49.01 | Kanedra | 2 person flying mount |
| 15:49.36 | olafski | do want :( |
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| 15:49.52 | Ackis | how do you get said mount? |
| 15:50.14 | olafski | RAF |
| 15:50.19 | olafski | it replaces the zebra |
| 15:50.19 | Kanedra | Within a few days, when you recruit a friend. |
| 15:50.21 | Kanedra | Yeah ;p |
| 15:50.21 | olafski | zhevra* |
| 15:50.26 | olafski | though not retroactively |
| 15:50.31 | Ackis | ah ok |
| 15:50.33 | Kanedra | Unfortunately :< |
| 15:50.48 | olafski | shame.. this thing is infinitely cooler than the zhevra :P |
| 15:50.49 | Ackis | easy to get then |
| 15:51.22 | Kanedra | They should get some of that sauce for engineers as well |
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| 15:57.13 | olafski | easy to get sure.. but I'm not paying 40 euro for a mount |
| 15:59.17 | Fisker | what about some in-game SC2 shit Ackis ? |
| 15:59.18 | Fisker | also sauce |
| 15:59.26 | Lopeppeppy | I want a pwny |
| 16:00.42 | Fisker | Additional information about StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty, including the release date, will be announced in the coming weeks. |
| 16:00.57 | Ackis | Fisker: http://bit.ly/bJN5sD |
| 16:02.10 | Ackis | I'm still OCD about WoW and I haven't played in how long? I want to order those plushy pets for the ingame mini-pets and now I want to get SC2 for the mini-pet |
| 16:02.16 | Fisker | now to find a proper retailer for the CE |
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| 16:02.58 | Fisker | i hate some retailers |
| 16:03.10 | Fisker | with wotlk some retailers were like "LOL lets double the price" |
| 16:03.33 | Fisker | then they so obviously oversold whatever allocated number of copies they had only to notify people 1 second before release "LOL DO U WANT STANDARD INSTEAD?!?" |
| 16:03.57 | Fisker | of course at which point any other online retailer is sold out and you have to driver a billion miles to find a retail copy |
| 16:04.23 | Ackis | I camped 6 hours for my Wrath CE |
| 16:04.26 | Ackis | got 2 of them |
| 16:04.49 | Fisker | ;o |
| 16:05.05 | mikma | lol i has AC2 |
| 16:05.27 | olafski | me too! |
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| 16:21.32 | Shirik | I just figured out why nobody likes aspect-oriented programming |
| 16:21.38 | Shirik | I got an error in my code |
| 16:21.47 | Shirik | "formal unbound in pointcut" |
| 16:21.56 | Shirik | could you at least TRY to make english errors? |
| 16:22.27 | foxlit | never! |
| 16:22.44 | foxlit | If they made english errors, you'd be less inclined to write correct code. |
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| 16:37.02 | Lunessa | station |
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| 16:39.36 | Ackis | penis |
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| 16:40.10 | Lunessa | Ackis, to you everything is a penis or fart joke. |
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| 16:40.59 | Ackis | imagine a penis farting |
| 16:41.12 | Lunessa | I'd rather not. |
| 16:41.49 | olafski | imagine farting a penis! |
| 16:43.14 | Shirik | le sigh |
| 16:43.20 | Shirik | finally my order went through |
| 16:43.22 | Shirik | what a nightmare |
| 16:44.01 | Ackis | your paypal is unblocked? |
| 16:44.11 | Shirik | no |
| 16:44.13 | Shirik | that's still fucking blocked |
| 16:44.22 | Shirik | but bank of america decided to lock down my credit card last night |
| 16:44.28 | olafski | I get the feeling the company I ordered last from is trying to scam me |
| 16:44.31 | Ackis | fun stuff |
| 16:48.54 | Kanedra | I just saw guild2guild for the first time. |
| 16:48.56 | Kanedra | ohhh |
| 16:49.01 | Kanedra | I love it already |
| 16:52.04 | Adys | kd3: ping |
| 16:55.27 | kd3 | pong, what's up? |
| 16:55.39 | Adys | Remember i told you how we win everything |
| 16:55.46 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/ab2.jpg |
| 16:55.56 | Adys | this is the sort of bgs we win |
| 16:56.09 | Adys | it's like the 10th time this happens |
| 16:56.10 | kd3 | can I join your battlegroup? |
| 16:56.38 | Adys | sure if you feel like taking a trip to EU |
| 17:01.00 | Adys | Socket Requires Jewelcrafting (450) |
| 17:01.01 | Adys | whats that? |
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| 17:05.09 | Pneumatus | :o |
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| 17:10.34 | Gnarfoz | Adys: blacksmithing sock... waitaminute what |
| 17:10.48 | Gnarfoz | no item currently has that property ;< |
| 17:13.07 | Adys | Gnarfoz: i saw it on an inspected gem |
| 17:13.11 | Adys | sec |
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| 17:14.24 | nevcairiel | Are you sure it didnt say 350? |
| 17:14.28 | Legorol | Adys: it's a slightly misworded error message, meaning you need to have 450 in JC to activate the gem in the socket you inspected |
| 17:14.28 | Adys | yeah 350 |
| 17:14.36 | Legorol | *350 that is |
| 17:15.07 | Adys | so it's like, "socket color requires.."? |
| 17:15.21 | Gnarfoz | what gem would that apply for oO |
| 17:15.26 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/jwc.jpg |
| 17:15.27 | Gnarfoz | prismatic JC gems are gone |
| 17:15.39 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's not for the color |
| 17:15.44 | Gnarfoz | it's simply the gem itself |
| 17:15.55 | Adys | the gem itself would be "Enchantment requires.." |
| 17:16.23 | Legorol | but you aren't inspecting the gem, you are inspecting a socket with a JC gem in it |
| 17:16.28 | Gnarfoz | well, that's a JC-only gem, the only property they have now is "only JCs can use this" |
| 17:16.37 | Adys | yes Legorol, which is an enchantment isnt it? |
| 17:16.43 | Legorol | uhm |
| 17:16.54 | Adys | nm you were replying to Gnarfoz |
| 17:17.15 | Gnarfoz | the socket is an enchantment to the item, if it's a BS socket |
| 17:17.52 | Gnarfoz | but since you can only use the gem as a JC... well, you should simply get "socket requires BS, gem requires JC" - the error message is simply a fuckup IMHO |
| 17:18.25 | Gnarfoz | also, you get the two lines for BOTH sockets in that belt, which can't be |
| 17:18.31 | Gnarfoz | since one of those sockets is native to the item |
| 17:18.55 | Gnarfoz | goes insane |
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| 17:26.31 | Ackis | UK Cataclysm pre-order: http://www.amazon.co.uk/World-Warcraft-Cataclysm-Expansion-Pack/dp/B002MPPSGW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1270747438&sr=1-1 £17.91 |
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| 17:30.26 | nevcairiel | DE already had that up for quite a while |
| 17:30.43 | alestane | checks his drink carefully for spiders. |
| 17:34.29 | Lunessa | http://learnfrommyfail.com/2010/03/20/fail-story-lfmf-rich/ |
| 17:34.53 | Lopeppeppy | put in worms today, wheeeee! |
| 17:39.32 | alestane | I'm guessing "NTS" indicates "note to self," Lunessa? |
| 17:39.50 | Lunessa | alestane: That's was my surmise. |
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| 17:43.05 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: sure |
| 17:43.26 | Lopeppeppy | usually what it means. |
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| 17:52.08 | Adys | "People are desiging there data in ways that fit their datastore." |
| 17:52.13 | Adys | ffs |
| 17:52.19 | Adys | how can you confuse the same word in the same sentence |
| 17:52.37 | Lunessa | Adys: Because they don't know what the f the words mean. |
| 17:53.36 | Lopeppeppy | because they let the spellchecker do all the hard work. |
| 17:58.06 | Shirik | note to self: When looking for the technical term "advice" as is relevant to aspect-oriented programming, typing "advice" into google is not an appropriate search term |
| 17:58.13 | Shirik | that was quite amusing, though |
| 17:58.51 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: Their letting they're spellchecker do all the hard work, you mean |
| 17:59.15 | Lopeppeppy | I see what you did their. |
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| 18:11.34 | Thunder_Child | O M G. leap of faith is going to be such a fuck you to people in pvp |
| 18:13.18 | Thunder_Child | s/people/allies/ |
| 18:13.24 | alestane | Suck people out from under the other team's guns? |
| 18:13.50 | Thunder_Child | no, more like using it to steal HK's |
| 18:14.02 | Thunder_Child | i mean KB's |
| 18:14.42 | Thunder_Child | and to mess with people that piss you off |
| 18:15.18 | Thunder_Child | and it's going to be interesting |
| 18:15.22 | Thunder_Child | in arena |
| 18:15.29 | alestane | I suspect that some sort of control will be necessary. |
| 18:16.00 | Thunder_Child | i assume like the others in your raid/group/party/etc. |
| 18:17.49 | Thunder_Child | "Discipline will finally be getting Power Word: Barrier as a talented ability. Think of it like a group Power Word: Shield. " yay |
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| 18:33.32 | foxlit | "... and a visually unique version of the terran Thor unit" |
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| 18:37.35 | Ackis | I wonder how hard it would be for me to get back into WoW |
| 18:38.45 | Fisker | GET DAUWN ACKIS |
| 18:38.48 | Gagorian- | You mean how hard it would be to l2p or how hard it would be to actually enjoy it again? |
| 18:38.54 | Ackis | Gagorian-: both tbh |
| 18:39.06 | Ackis | I'll admit, I was a bit of a n00b in wrath |
| 18:39.09 | Fisker | enjoying it is easy |
| 18:39.12 | Fisker | l2p is easy |
| 18:39.15 | Ackis | I still owned shit up I just didn't care |
| 18:39.40 | Ackis | I waved my keyboard in the air, just like I didn't care! |
| 18:39.41 | Ackis | muhaha |
| 18:39.48 | Ackis | is there cross-faction/server mail yet? |
| 18:39.58 | Fisker | cross-faction |
| 18:40.32 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: might be easier to wait for cata |
| 18:40.52 | Gagorian- | My account had a 7 day trial and l2p:ing was easy.. On the other hand I didn't like it at all |
| 18:40.56 | Gagorian- | Same shit |
| 18:41.09 | Ackis | 3 of my accounts have the 7 day trial, not sure if my 4th has it or not |
| 18:41.34 | Ackis | Fisker: does cross-faction have to be on the same account or just battle.net account? |
| 18:41.47 | Gagorian- | I think I played last in july 2008 |
| 18:41.49 | Gagorian- | Or something |
| 18:42.16 | Thunder_Child | i really want cross server |
| 18:42.38 | Ackis | server transfers are $25 right? |
| 18:43.12 | Lunessa | Ackis: Yes. |
| 18:43.23 | Lunessa | And you might ask someone to send you a Scroll of Resurection. |
| 18:43.45 | Ackis | true they'd get a month free eh? |
| 18:44.55 | Lunessa | Yeah. Then you both win. |
| 18:45.16 | Ackis | hmm this is something to think aboot |
| 18:45.18 | Lopeppeppy | Win win is goodly stuff. |
| 18:45.25 | Ackis | Torhal and pompy would be happy methinks |
| 18:45.59 | Lunessa | Yes, make friends happy ... happiness and joy for everyone. |
| 18:46.02 | Ackis | but I missed a special mini-pet promotion with the winter olympics! |
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| 18:47.19 | Fisker | same account i figure Ackis |
| 18:47.33 | Fisker | scroll of ressurection is only for classic btw |
| 18:48.11 | Ackis | oh didn't know that Fisker |
| 18:48.55 | Torhal | Ackis: He's right. Though if you log in to your battle.net account you should get a free week on the inactive ones. |
| 18:49.01 | Torhal | My GF did back in January. |
| 18:49.33 | foxlit | Hm, I'm up to the Fourth Series in my box set :( |
| 18:49.36 | foxlit | Almost out of episodes. |
| 18:49.46 | Ackis | hrmmm |
| 18:49.50 | Ackis | hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 18:50.16 | Lopeppeppy | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm! |
| 18:50.18 | Lopeppeppy | Bacon roses. |
| 18:50.22 | Thunder_Child | chokes a bitch named Ackis |
| 18:50.45 | Ackis | a bitch? O_o |
| 18:51.12 | p3lim | Can I use CLEU to track cooldowns? |
| 18:51.14 | Gagorian- | Ackis: Some impostor |
| 18:51.32 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: if you restrict yourself to ones that you can't talent into, sure |
| 18:51.33 | p3lim | (assuming it will let me get item/spell links and/or ids |
| 18:51.53 | Lunessa | Anyone recall the function name for restarting the sound system in WoW? |
| 18:52.11 | Ackis | alt-F4? |
| 18:52.18 | Lunessa | :P |
| 18:52.19 | Gnarfoz | !api restart |
| 18:52.26 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'restart': RestartGx, Sound_GameSystem_RestartSoundSystem |
| 18:52.30 | p3lim | GetSpellCooldown() will just react to names it seems |
| 18:52.34 | p3lim | which sucks |
| 18:52.48 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: (GetSpellInfo(id)) |
| 18:53.11 | Gnarfoz | GetSpellCooldown((GetSpellInfo(id))) |
| 18:53.12 | Gnarfoz | that is |
| 18:53.27 | Gnarfoz | however, that'll only work for your spells, obviously |
| 18:53.43 | p3lim | Yeah I'm tracking player cooldowns |
| 18:56.06 | Gnarfoz | why not use spellcast start then |
| 18:56.10 | Gnarfoz | or rather, spell cast success |
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| 18:56.13 | Gnarfoz | or whatever |
| 18:56.16 | Gnarfoz | instead of CLEU |
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| 19:01.03 | foxlit | I wonder if they regret CLEU |
| 19:01.15 | foxlit | It fires a bazillion times and most of the time does nothing. |
| 19:01.19 | Ackis | Shirik: did you see my question about wiki articles yesterday? |
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| 19:04.26 | Lunessa | WTB: 12 hours of sleep in capsule form. Take pill, bamph! rested. |
| 19:04.52 | Ackis | Lunessa: with your luck, it'd have to be inserted anally |
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| 19:05.12 | Lunessa | Ackis: I'd never take the pill. /cry |
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| 19:06.16 | Ackis | I thought you'd end up taking a lot of them |
| 19:06.44 | Lopeppeppy | I'd take it either way. |
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| 19:07.27 | Lopeppeppy | Cure my insomnia and I'm your devoted slave. |
| 19:07.53 | Ackis | hmmm |
| 19:08.00 | Ackis | clubs Lopeppeppy on teh head |
| 19:08.15 | Ackis | I haven't had a good nights sleep since beginning of 2007 |
| 19:09.30 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy frying ban |
| 19:09.32 | Shadowed | pan |
| 19:09.36 | Shadowed | oh Ackis beat me to it :( |
| 19:09.41 | Lopeppeppy | Waaaay further back for me. I get *some*, but in an overall pattern, it's chronic insomnia for the very lose. |
| 19:09.48 | Lopeppeppy | I said "cure" it, not "club" it. |
| 19:09.57 | Ackis | clubbing is a cure |
| 19:10.12 | Ackis | 2007 correlates to when I was assaulted :| |
| 19:12.24 | alestane | That's like the argument that nuclear annihilation fixes world poverty, Ackis. |
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| 19:12.42 | Ackis | it eliminates it |
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| 19:17.43 | Dagmar | I fully endorse violence therapy. |
| 19:17.55 | Dagmar | next time someone asks for your wallet, put them in the hospital. |
| 19:18.52 | Lunessa | There are few problems in the universe which cannot somehow be eliminated with concentrated application of violence, firepower, or high explosives. |
| 19:19.45 | Dagmar | I slept like a baby for *weeks* the last time someone tried to mug me. |
| 19:20.09 | Dagmar | er... a baby that's in the 6mos range and actually sleeps all night, mind |
| 19:21.13 | Fisker | Shadowed |
| 19:21.31 | Fisker | i has insomnia too Shadowed |
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| 19:21.57 | Ackis | Fisker: you're just saying that to get the anal pill |
| 19:22.20 | alestane | You're never really asleep... |
| 19:22.20 | alestane | ...and you're never really awak. |
| 19:22.25 | alestane | awake* |
| 19:22.54 | Fisker | wat Ackis |
| 19:22.55 | Fisker | wat. |
| 19:23.33 | Lunessa | I've been fighting insomnia all week - I've had a sum total of 9 hours since Monday. I can barely focus on breathing; I have no idea how I am forming coherent thoughts. |
| 19:25.42 | alestane | If you start sitting next to yourself at the bus stop, seek help immediately. |
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| 19:25.50 | alestane | Not that I should joke, |
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| 19:32.17 | Fisker | oh but you should alestane |
| 19:32.47 | alestane | Laugh, says Coyote. |
| 19:33.26 | Ackis | I had a weird dream last night that I was switching between alternate realities and eventually I was in the same sport in both of them... that was trippy |
| 19:34.18 | Lunessa | Well, I always talk to myself. I live in fear of the time time when I answer myself. |
| 19:34.24 | alestane | If that was a dream, where did I get this Kronockor trophy? |
| 19:34.52 | alestane | I never talk to myself, Lunessa. |
| 19:34.52 | alestane | When I talk, it's always to others. |
| 19:34.52 | alestane | They're just not always present. |
| 19:35.19 | Lunessa | *snicker* |
| 19:37.08 | alestane | Is there an original "That's what she said," joke out there somewhere? Or is it lost in antiquity by now? |
| 19:38.58 | Lopeppeppy | I talk to my computer all the time. Yell at it alot. |
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| 19:39.58 | alestane | If my computer is misbehaving, it's my job to fix it. Cursing doesn't help. |
| 19:40.49 | nevcairiel | I usually curse myself for setting something up badly before or using some work around that now blew up in my face :d |
| 19:41.05 | alestane | As long as you know who to blame. |
| 19:41.14 | DWSR | http://www.break.com/game-trailers/game/starcraft-2/starcraft-2-beta-breakup <-- wtfpwned. |
| 19:41.24 | Lopeppeppy | I blame the computer. |
| 19:41.25 | Lopeppeppy | A lot. |
| 19:41.26 | Lopeppeppy | Loudly. |
| 19:42.01 | Ackis | lol DWSR |
| 19:42.03 | DWSR | That movie is why I never give my girlfriend access to anything in regards to my life. Not until we're legally married and we share everything else anyway. |
| 19:42.09 | alestane | That was one of my coworkers on the subject of computer problems..."Before we can fix this, we have to know who to blame. This is very important. We can't proceed until that question is resolved." |
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| 19:44.46 | Ackis | apparently I have to go to www. worldofwarcraft-official-user .com to reset my account! |
| 19:44.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, do that right away, Ackis! |
| 19:44.59 | olafski | as long as you're an official user |
| 19:45.05 | olafski | don't go there if you're on a private server |
| 19:45.11 | alestane | Hey, if it says "official" it must be legit, right? |
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| 19:45.59 | alestane | I am amused at the though of keyloggers stealing private server login info. Nothing less than they deserve. |
| 19:46.10 | olafski | wouldn't really work though |
| 19:46.31 | olafski | they wouldn't be able to tell if it's private server stuff.. though I guess if you've already infiltrated someone's PC you could check their realmlist |
| 19:47.13 | alestane | So I would be very amused when they tried to steal the account by changing the battle.net password. |
| 19:49.48 | batrick | if you have a keylogger it's trivial to check that you are connecting to the blizzard servers |
| 19:50.06 | batrick | but why would they care |
| 19:50.18 | olafski | yeah not much point stealing your gold on a private server |
| 19:54.09 | Ackis | you can steal my privates |
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| 20:01.31 | Fisker | old |
| 20:01.33 | Fisker | DWSR |
| 20:01.34 | Fisker | old |
| 20:01.53 | p3lim | lua> t={[10]=true,[20]=true} print(#t) |
| 20:01.55 | lua_bot | p3lim: 0 |
| 20:02.01 | p3lim | :S |
| 20:02.40 | p3lim | shouldnt #t return how many keys there are in the table? |
| 20:02.47 | haste | only on arrays |
| 20:02.53 | p3lim | ah |
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| 20:03.26 | haste | lua> t = {1,2} t[4]=4 print(#t) |
| 20:03.26 | lua_bot | haste: 4 |
| 20:03.27 | p3lim | any ways to get the number except counting? |
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| 20:03.31 | haste | and some odd cases :3 |
| 20:03.35 | haste | iterate over it |
| 20:03.42 | p3lim | no way around it? |
| 20:03.51 | p3lim | like some API |
| 20:03.58 | haste | iterating is a part of the api |
| 20:04.09 | haste | you could keep track of the content yourself |
| 20:04.12 | p3lim | im probably confusing it with something else |
| 20:04.17 | p3lim | yeah thats what I meant |
| 20:04.27 | alestane | #t returns an index n such that t[n] ~= nil and t[n+1] == nil. If t[1] == nil then n may be 0. |
| 20:05.06 | haste | not directly alestane, but kinda |
| 20:05.19 | alestane | I think that is in fact the definition. |
| 20:05.23 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 20:05.29 | haste | but it has some odd cases |
| 20:05.42 | haste | the one I wrote above being the most usual |
| 20:05.43 | nevcairiel | it doesnt say that there cannot be a nil before |
| 20:05.55 | nevcairiel | it just not defined on which it stops counting in that case |
| 20:06.18 | haste | >t = {1,2,3} t[5]=5 print(#t) |
| 20:06.23 | haste | lua>t = {1,2,3} t[5]=5 print(#t) |
| 20:06.23 | lua_bot | haste: 3 |
| 20:06.27 | haste | then that should return 5 as well |
| 20:06.29 | alestane | In cases like {'a', 'b', 'c', [5] = 'e'}, #t could return either 3 or 5 and makes no guarantees about which it may be. |
| 20:06.50 | nevcairiel | it doesnt say that all previous values have to be filled |
| 20:06.54 | haste | it's how lua sizes the table's fault tho' |
| 20:07.01 | p3lim | table.getn(t) is the same as #t? |
| 20:07.07 | haste | yes, but it's deprecated |
| 20:07.09 | nevcairiel | it also doesnt say that all following values have to be nil |
| 20:07.13 | alestane | getn(t) is the deprecated form. |
| 20:07.16 | nevcairiel | i think getn doesnt even work anymore |
| 20:07.21 | p3lim | it does |
| 20:07.34 | haste | WoW has the 5.1 deprecated flag set afaik |
| 20:07.49 | haste | or something close to it |
| 20:07.59 | alestane | If you are using only integer keys, and you want to know the largest one, you can use maxn, but that won't count total keys present. |
| 20:08.24 | nevcairiel | just dont poke holes into your table |
| 20:08.29 | nevcairiel | or use pairs |
| 20:09.06 | p3lim | I have this table, keys are spellids, values are frames |
| 20:09.22 | p3lim | All I want is the number of keys in the table |
| 20:09.39 | alestane | local n = 0; for k, v in pairs(t) do n = n + 1 end |
| 20:09.53 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.28 | Fisker | haste |
| 20:10.30 | Fisker | wanna 31108? |
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| 20:11.56 | p3lim | Was just avoiding that |
| 20:13.02 | p3lim | if I have an array of frames, will #t work then? |
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| 20:13.22 | alestane | If they're integer keys in sequence. |
| 20:13.28 | p3lim | using pairs |
| 20:13.49 | alestane | pairs will allow you to examine the whole table. |
| 20:13.57 | alestane | And interpret it however you like. |
| 20:15.07 | Shirik | Ackis: No |
| 20:15.08 | Shirik | what? |
| 20:15.58 | p3lim | hm that will not work, as I will remove parts of the table under way |
| 20:17.30 | foxlit | You're free to remove things while iterating |
| 20:17.35 | foxlit | It's adding that kills you. Sometimes. |
| 20:18.16 | nevcairiel | there are different ways to iterate to get aroudn that though. sometimes, anyway. |
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| 20:19.50 | p3lim | each time something is added the number is updated |
| 20:19.59 | p3lim | but im just gonna count manually |
| 20:22.54 | alestane | Did people see http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24038461060&sid=1&pageNo=1 already? |
| 20:23.25 | Torhal | p3lim: Static table? |
| 20:23.40 | Torhal | Yah, if it's programmatic count as you add |
| 20:23.42 | nevcairiel | alestane: yea |
| 20:24.09 | nevcairiel | in cataclysm news terms, thats aeons old! |
| 20:24.22 | nevcairiel | like, 2 days :d |
| 20:27.00 | Dagmar | alesdtane: I couldn't even bear to look at the responses, knowing the sort of responses I've grown to expect accompanying any substantive change |
| 20:27.50 | alestane | The first one, at least, is fairly understanding and concise. I didn't read past that. |
| 20:28.05 | Dagmar | Based on the way people act, you'd think everyone at Blizzard just started their new jobs a week ago. |
| 20:30.25 | Dashkal | I can summarize the responses with less vitrol: 1) Whaa, I was blood DPS. 2) Whaa, I hate blood tanking. 3) lollore (should have been frost), 4) Wow, that actually makes sense. |
| 20:30.39 | alestane | It's a common misconception that the laziness, greed or incompetence of the Blizzard teams is demonstrated by the fact that they don't instantly correct all problems with their bottomless reserves of cash. |
| 20:31.14 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: ratio of those responses: 10:10:5:1 |
| 20:31.34 | Dashkal | Approximately, yes :P |
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| 20:34.55 | Dashkal | Oh well, I'll enjoy my blood DPS until cata, then get off my ass and learn frost DW. |
| 20:35.05 | TC-Away | awesome, even with the SC2 drivers it freezes |
| 20:35.14 | DWSR | Dashkal: It's easy. |
| 20:35.23 | DWSR | Dashkal: You just line up your KM/Rime procs and smash Howling Blast. |
| 20:35.31 | Dashkal | I'm just sad that the existing design had to fail due to resources. |
| 20:35.41 | Kraps | hey dudes\ |
| 20:35.44 | DWSR | Dashkal: The existing design is fucking win. I'm really sad to see it going. |
| 20:36.12 | Dashkal | As am I. I understand why, but *sigh* soo cool! I wanted to see Prot DPS warriors :P Walk up and smash your face in with a shield. |
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| 20:38.06 | alestane | Compared to the old vanilla tanks, Dashkal, Prot warriors ARE DPS now. |
| 20:38.28 | zenzelezz | true |
| 20:38.49 | Dashkal | Heh, I refused to touch Warriors in vanilla |
| 20:39.02 | Dashkal | Now I'm seriously considering roling one. |
| 20:39.16 | Thunder_Child | leveling them is so boring though |
| 20:39.17 | alestane | And if you were a warrior, once you hit endgame you would basically be guilted into speccing Protection. |
| 20:39.30 | Dashkal | I already have that issue as a DK |
| 20:39.41 | DWSR | Dashkal: What issue? |
| 20:39.42 | Gnarfoz | that issue doesn't even exist anymore |
| 20:39.49 | Dashkal | For raids I got to DPS, but anything else and I was slapping on the def gear |
| 20:39.54 | Thunder_Child | and they are the only ones that seem to have no self healing or avoidence |
| 20:39.57 | Gnarfoz | 4 viable tank classes vs. 1 viable tank class ^^ |
| 20:40.13 | Dashkal | For vanilla I didn't raid. I was a feral druid. |
| 20:40.24 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Problem is that the number of players that want to tank is still at about the same proportion |
| 20:40.40 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: hah |
| 20:40.44 | Dashkal | I could come up with a colorful metaphor, but sufice it to say I'm not a healer. |
| 20:40.45 | DWSR | So regardless of how many ways you *can* tank, people don't really do it. |
| 20:40.49 | DWSR | Mostly because the DPS always bitch at the tank. |
| 20:40.59 | Gnarfoz | tons of more people actually do it, at least that's my experience. |
| 20:41.17 | Gnarfoz | and what would dps bitch at the tank for? |
| 20:41.32 | alestane | Considering the frequency with which DPS picks up the next pull and then bitches because I didn't taunt them all off him, can't say I'm surprised. It is by far the most thankless of the three roles. |
| 20:41.39 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:41.41 | Gnarfoz | I must live in some kind of paradise where PUG setups are balanced enough that DPS don't outstrip tank TPS |
| 20:41.53 | alestane | Either not holding aggro or not pulling fast enough, Gnarfoz. |
| 20:42.00 | DWSR | Usually the latter. |
| 20:42.05 | Dashkal | I find the healers get way too much crap too. How come you couldn't heal me despite pulling the entire dungeon in blues?!? |
| 20:42.06 | Gnarfoz | I get complaints about neither, and I don't make them, either |
| 20:42.16 | Gnarfoz | but I guess RP-PVP is not your usual clientele |
| 20:42.43 | Dashkal | I'd say it's your realm. Maelstrom wasn't any better than other realms I've played on. |
| 20:43.21 | alestane | I couldn't hold aggro because you dropped Rain of Fire on the entire group within half a second of my pull. I can only Maul so fast and Faerie Fire is on an 8-second cooldown. Next? |
| 20:43.58 | Dashkal | I would like to know what happened to the old 5 sunder rule before going balls-to-the-wall... |
| 20:44.09 | alestane | Gone and forgotten. |
| 20:44.15 | Gnarfoz | swipeswipeswipeswipe |
| 20:44.16 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:44.24 | Dashkal | heh, and that's why I didn't tank as a druid |
| 20:44.27 | Dashkal | yawn |
| 20:44.29 | alestane | AoE is the king of dungeons, and the more, the sooner, the faster you have badges and can requeue. |
| 20:44.30 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: it went away when sunder stopped mattering |
| 20:44.31 | Thunder_Child | well, gone, but not forgotten |
| 20:44.43 | alestane | Swipe isn't high-threat, Gnarfoz. |
| 20:44.44 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: More to the point I care about the wait. |
| 20:44.51 | Gnarfoz | alestane: it's AoE though :D |
| 20:44.59 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: I'm aware, just saying |
| 20:45.08 | Lunessa | Mostly, people who've played with tanks and healers that are REALLY good at what they do have never had to learn to be a smart DPS player. They just run in and hit the biggest, most powerful attacks they have. |
| 20:45.11 | Dashkal | As a DK I needed about 3s to get my first pestalance up. If they AoEd before that, they got to die |
| 20:45.13 | alestane | And given that a lot of those DPS are opening up before I could do it more than once... |
| 20:45.42 | alestane | Or there was the hunter I healed for yesterday, Lunessa. I don't think he knew Volley existed. |
| 20:45.52 | alestane | Didn't have to worry about him pulling threat though. |
| 20:45.55 | Dashkal | Once I had it up, all was smooth. Very few issues of aggro pealing (unless some stupid rogue opens on the wrong target) |
| 20:46.06 | Gnarfoz | I'll leave you to yourself and your PUG horror stories, I guess :D |
| 20:46.21 | alestane | There are also the DPS who always seem to automatically switch to whatever you aren't attacking. |
| 20:46.46 | alestane | You pick up the thing they pulled off you and they switch to something else. |
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| 20:48.45 | DWSR | Dashkal: DnD |
| 20:49.07 | Dashkal | DWSR: I know, but that wasn't always the optimal way to go. |
| 20:49.53 | Dashkal | When doing guild runs, they were content enough to wait that I could just use a standard rotation and everything was smooth |
| 20:50.09 | Dashkal | I mean, we're talking a couple seconds here, it wasn't like I was waiting for 5 sunders :P |
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| 20:51.17 | Lunessa | alestane: Yeah, I've had that same issue bear tanking. I hate that basically IF mobs >=2 then Swipe, Maul, FFF and pray is all I can do. |
| 20:51.46 | Lunessa | And inevitably some fsking DK will DG one of the targets I haven't hit yet. |
| 20:52.02 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/funny-4725-nicholas-sparks/ |
| 20:52.03 | Dashkal | facepalms |
| 20:52.39 | Dashkal | Mr DK? You DG it and you tank it. The only time I didn't mind was when the rare (read: in my guild) one used it to pull a stray to me with a heads up. |
| 20:53.12 | Gnarfoz | random DKs aware of DG being a taunt: 5%? |
| 20:53.12 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/box/lace.png << Oh I wonder |
| 20:53.27 | Dashkal | Exactly |
| 20:53.33 | Fisker | i keel you |
| 20:53.42 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: how's that 480 keeping you warm? |
| 20:53.49 | Dashkal | OTOH, as DPS I could and would switch frost presense and DG something off of a squishy until the tank had a moemnt to taunt it off of me |
| 20:54.40 | Fisker | plants a bomb on Gnarfoz' back |
| 20:54.44 | Fisker | i don't have it yet btw |
| 20:54.57 | Gnarfoz | defuses, using Fisker's mom as a tool |
| 20:55.34 | Fisker | you can't reach your own back idiot |
| 20:55.35 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 20:55.58 | Gnarfoz | that's why I use your mom |
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| 21:04.48 | Adys | sup |
| 21:05.03 | Dashkal | purl, have a cookie |
| 21:05.04 | purl | Ta. *Munch* |
| 21:11.20 | Kraps | "Rihannaâs Disturbia: A Song about Being Possessed by Evil" |
| 21:11.27 | Kraps | OR |
| 21:11.45 | Kraps | it could be about depression/drugs |
| 21:11.57 | alestane | Don't remind me, Lunessa. I ran Ramparts yesterday with a DK who invariably death gripped whichever mob I didn't pull. Especially if it was a melee and there was a caster he could leave at the back bombing us. |
| 21:12.15 | zenzelezz | hm... so after switching faction, I now have two [Loremaster's Colors] |
| 21:14.30 | zenzelezz | also, my faction change was taking forever, and I got no indication of any failure. So I cancelled it, logged in to the recently transferred character - in the process changing his name from the placeholder name to a valid one - and tried again; this time it was approved and completed very fast. Anyone know if there's any known problems with invalid names hampering faction changing? |
| 21:17.31 | Fisker | hey zenzelezz |
| 21:17.40 | Lunessa | "Misery will no longer affect spell Hit chance. We want players to be able to gear themselves around a Hit cap that isn't variable depending on group composition." - Fuck yes. Thank you. |
| 21:17.45 | Fisker | no! |
| 21:18.54 | Gnarfoz | that means I'll have to equip 32.67 more hit? |
| 21:18.55 | Dashkal | By extension: Say goodbye to alliance needing 1% less hit on their gear. About time |
| 21:18.55 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 21:19.02 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: blah :p |
| 21:19.16 | Dashkal | I'm alliance and I say that. It always struck me as odd |
| 21:19.42 | Gnarfoz | I don't encourage it in my guild, either |
| 21:19.47 | foxlit | Lunessa: "but we'll make later-tier bosses require more hit" |
| 21:19.48 | Gnarfoz | only Draenei get to do it :D |
| 21:19.48 | Lunessa | I'm just sick of having to guess what I'll have in a raid to know what I'll need for gear. And if that person fails to show up, I'm not fucx0red. |
| 21:20.04 | foxlit | "So if you're raiding more than one instance, joke's on you, buddy." |
| 21:21.29 | Lunessa | "We pulled Misery because we are pulling every group benefit that improves hit. It's annoying to have to swap your gear in and out depending on who shows up for your group. In general we're going to push even harder in Cataclysm for bringing people you like to play with, not bringing people who have awesome buffs. The answer to almost every question of "But why would they bring me?" should be "Because you know what the hell you're doing." " |
| 21:21.47 | Dashkal | I love that line |
| 21:22.06 | Dashkal | He's getting more and more blunt with it as time goes on |
| 21:22.43 | Lunessa | Yeah. Totally. You're taking me 'cause I know what I'm doing. Because you like playing the game with me. You're not taking me 'cause we need the lol-heroism, dumbass.' |
| 21:23.22 | zenzelezz | LF crat w/Baton of Command !!! |
| 21:24.01 | zenzelezz | Anarchy Online was interesting. The bureaucrat class had a buff that gave +9% experience. People would reserve a spot for them just for that; they didn't care if they were just on /follow |
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| 21:24.56 | foxlit | "But I don't!" |
| 21:25.51 | olafski | I've had some quite successful raids with my 10man guild, having only about 5-6 classes along usually |
| 21:25.56 | Kraps | http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11211.msg566284#msg566284 |
| 21:26.06 | olafski | but sometimes it was really annoying having no shaman, priest, mage and paladin |
| 21:26.34 | olafski | priest/pala is a lot of hp loss on the tank, and heroism would've meant we probably would have gotten mimiron down a lot quicker :P |
| 21:26.34 | zenzelezz | I have 1337 strength... how has this eluded me? |
| 21:28.27 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: UR so 1337! |
| 21:28.40 | zenzelezz | totally |
| 21:29.39 | alestane | Lunessa, you should be raiding because you're good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like you! |
| 21:29.56 | Lunessa | alestane: I'm ok right up to the last part. :P |
| 21:30.30 | Lunessa | I guess I need to spend more time with my "Deep Thoughts" calendar and more time in front of the mirrior! |
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| 21:31.17 | alestane | I'm never sure whether suffering fools gladly is a virtue or not. |
| 21:31.35 | Lunessa | Not a virtue. It should be a sin. |
| 21:34.15 | alestane | As my wife commented once, that works perfectly until you run into someone who sees you as the fool. |
| 21:35.30 | alestane | Or another way, someone once wondered to me why we didn't just have a king to decide that (for instance), there's really no sensible reason why people can't marry someone of the same sex. Just *BAM* get it done instead of listening to the stupid whiners. |
| 21:35.41 | alestane | Works great as long as you're one of the people who agrees with the kings. |
| 21:37.07 | alestane | Anyway, gotta go. |
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| 21:52.42 | DWSR | Does http://www.wowhead.com/item=43554 modify the tooltip? |
| 21:57.05 | Gnarfoz | sure should if it's your tooltip |
| 21:58.42 | Gnarfoz | hmmm but |
| 21:59.05 | Gnarfoz | Adys: http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/55233/vampiric-blood/ was the green/red text stuff for modifyable parts of spell tooltips just for debugging? |
| 21:59.40 | Adys | Gnarfoz: it turned out to be very confusing, I removed it and defaulted to the unglyphed behaviour |
| 21:59.54 | Adys | Gnarfoz: ill figure out a better way to do this |
| 22:00.06 | Thunder_Child | Adys is a confusing person |
| 22:00.08 | Gnarfoz | I see, just checking if I was imagining things again |
| 22:00.49 | Lunessa | again/still |
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| 22:00.59 | DWSR | ~fail Lunessa |
| 22:00.59 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Lunessa. I hate you because you fail. |
| 22:01.32 | Lunessa | I fail so hard that I cause a buffer overrun and am now winning. |
| 22:02.03 | Dagmar | signed integer overflow |
| 22:02.10 | DWSR | Now you're just negative. |
| 22:02.11 | Dagmar | *kofkof* |
| 22:03.50 | Dagmar | If you want to see _real_ fail, look into this artist group's suit against Google |
| 22:04.28 | Dagmar | They were originally kicked to the curb because the books their images are published in are where the copyright lies. |
| 22:04.52 | Dagmar | The judge punted them out of the first class action because they should be arguing with the book publishers, not Google |
| 22:05.41 | Dagmar | Once Google says "Okay, if you don't want the same deal as your publishers we can just not include any of the images at all" things should get really entertaining |
| 22:05.51 | Fisker | mr. Gnarfoz |
| 22:06.07 | Gnarfoz | that's GOD to you |
| 22:06.40 | Dagmar | Class-action trollery is sad stuff indeed |
| 22:06.57 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Since the problem is Google's infringement against the book publisher's copyright, and the publisher had (Or at least SHOULD have had) the right of first publication or got the art as "work for hire" the judge did the right thing. But Google probably won't cut the artists any kind of deal at all. |
| 22:07.28 | Dagmar | Lunessa: That's what I'm expecting |
| 22:07.47 | Dagmar | I figure Google will kick them out entirely rather than let them turn it into an even more complex nightmare |
| 22:08.11 | Dagmar | I'm just astonished they had hte balls to file their own suit even after the first judge booted them from the publisher's class action |
| 22:08.23 | Lunessa | The level of IP Hypocrisy at Google is astounding. They fight to defend their rights, and sabotage those of others. I guess I shouldn't be shocked. |
| 22:09.26 | foxlit | "Plasma torpedoes give battlecruisers an armament capable of saturating a target area with a lethal deluge of fire, ideal for breaking up oncoming attack waves or ravaging a defensive position." |
| 22:09.28 | foxlit | what the who? |
| 22:09.41 | Dagmar | I don't see that they're doing anything all that horrible, actually. |
| 22:09.55 | foxlit | Now, I haven't built a battlecruiser in pretty much the history of my ranked matches, but I didn't think they had the ability? |
| 22:10.06 | Fisker | they used to |
| 22:10.16 | Fisker | They had 3 "upgrades" i believe |
| 22:10.38 | Fisker | Powerful anti-surface laser barrage, powerful anti-air laser barrage, and the standard yamoto gun |
| 22:10.44 | Fisker | or yamato or whatever |
| 22:10.54 | Fisker | But it got removed somewhere between alpha and beta |
| 22:11.03 | Dagmar | It's not like they're going to throw all those books into the general pool of "web pages" to match against. It wouldn't make any sense to do that |
| 22:11.08 | foxlit | slackers haven't updated their website |
| 22:11.21 | Dagmar | People are going to have to be searching for something they know is in a book to begin with. |
| 22:11.26 | Fisker | You'd figure by now they'd have made a dynamic website |
| 22:11.34 | Fisker | to extrapolate information from their game |
| 22:11.40 | Fisker | without having to manually update it |
| 22:11.50 | Fisker | wtb WoW webpage overhaul |
| 22:11.54 | Dagmar | That's just a freaking perfect sales opportunity, but clearly the publishers arne't happy with the "risk" involve din that |
| 22:12.46 | Dagmar | They'll also have to explain to people why it is that somehow when they didn't do the scanning, or the checking, or putting the stuff into the system, or really handle any of the details of the actual sale, why it is they still want sixty dollars for an out of print book. |
| 22:13.17 | Dagmar | It's time for both the book and the music industry to shut the fuck up and move into the 21st centurty |
| 22:15.58 | Dagmar | This habit they've gotten in of always raising prices for every change, no matter whether or not it dramatically reduces their costs, has _got_ to go. |
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| 22:16.33 | Dagmar | The company I worked for during the dot-com boom failed for what amounts to nearly the same reason those two industries are struggling |
| 22:17.10 | Dagmar | We built MASSIVE data centers in Asia-Pac countries, with U.S. Dollars, so when it came time to find customers to put machines in those datacenters, that had to go by U.S. Dollars as well. |
| 22:18.14 | Dagmar | Those places all think that $5/month is probably enough for half a rack of space in a facility with massive redundancy of every sort, and five nines of upness |
| 22:18.25 | Dagmar | In U.S. Dollars, it's not _nearly_ enough |
| 22:19.26 | Fisker | i us dollars you |
| 22:20.05 | Dagmar | Those industries are spending ludicrous amounts of money and just blithely assuming that since they've declared "that's what it costs" that it's actually a reasonable price |
| 22:22.40 | Dagmar | People are stupid, but not _that_ stupid. |
| 22:23.33 | Dagmar | Let's compare: Price of CDR and jewel case, ~43 cents. Price of crappy boy band album on CD in jewel case: $18.95. Price of mp3's of said album: still $18.95 |
| 22:25.12 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, you're ranting |
| 22:28.08 | Dashkal | http://epicwinftw.com/2010/04/04/epic-win-photos-no/ O.o Some people have far too much time on their hands |
| 22:28.13 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: when isn't he |
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| 22:28.28 | Thunder_Child | point |
| 22:29.09 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
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| 22:30.28 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker |
| 22:31.30 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
| 22:33.23 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker |
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| 22:35.16 | DWSR | Dagmar: IF you're talking about large scale production, there's no way the CDR + jewel case is 43 cents. |
| 22:35.26 | DWSR | I as a consumer can buy them for almost 43 cents. |
| 22:35.55 | DWSR | It's under a quarter for that. |
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| 22:40.12 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 22:40.13 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
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| 22:47.30 | Thunder_Child | "[15:46:43] [2] [Greensaber]: GUISE I NEED SUM REAL GEWD WOW PICK UP LINES PLZ HELP" >.< |
| 22:48.31 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
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| 22:48.43 | Thunder_Child | hahahaha |
| 22:48.47 | Thunder_Child | i win again |
| 22:49.25 | Thunder_Child | at some point Shirik you may want to un qq Fisker |
| 22:49.29 | Thunder_Child | but not yet |
| 22:50.52 | kd3 | lol |
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| 22:53.38 | Fisker | imma fuck you up |
| 22:54.00 | Fisker | you'd figure that EDI would figure out some ban evasion |
| 22:55.10 | Fisker | a |
| 22:55.18 | Fisker | b |
| 22:56.42 | Fisker | would you stop me Thunder_Child ? |
| 22:56.51 | Thunder_Child | no Fisker, i would not |
| 22:56.55 | Fisker | ya |
| 22:56.55 | Fisker | y |
| 22:56.58 | Torhal | trips Fisker. |
| 22:57.08 | Thunder_Child | because it's fun to watch |
| 22:57.22 | Fisker | i should sleep though |
| 22:58.25 | Fisker | Thunder_Child must die |
| 22:58.32 | Fisker | because i want my GTX480 |
| 22:58.32 | Thunder_Child | i will soon enough |
| 22:58.46 | Fisker | it's only fair amirite? |
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| 23:03.07 | Thunder_Child | more or less NSFW but quite funny http://fukung.net/v/13145/howtonotfailatlifepn3he9.png |
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| 23:17.44 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: im still waiting for amazon to figure out a way to expand their print on demand business into cd/dvd/bluray market, the rate at which some things go out of print is just crazy, there have been console games that are out of print just short of 1 year after release and these were good console games too not shitty ones |
| 23:19.51 | Jamash | a lot of console games are available as downloads on their successor consoles |
| 23:20.07 | Jamash | but of course not all |
| 23:20.39 | Arrowmaster | no they arent, thats just a limited amount of the most popular ones that a good amount of people interested in it have already played |
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| 23:21.46 | Arrowmaster | although FFIX is supposed to come out on PSN and i would defiantly get that since i havent played it, except that would require updating my PS3 to 3.21 firmware and killing Other OS |
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| 23:34.29 | Cairenn | http://www.break.com/index/dogs-attack-and-chew-on-patrol-car.html |
| 23:35.29 | Dagmar | Cairenn: "But he's really just the sweetest dog ever!" |
| 23:35.36 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 23:39.37 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/23218/comic_GIF.gif |
| 23:40.22 | industrial | haha ;p |
| 23:40.49 | DWSR | Cairenn: Old but funn. |
| 23:40.51 | DWSR | funny* |
| 23:41.51 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: The problem with that is that it implies that every combo *is* counterable, which is not always true in video games. |
| 23:41.55 | DWSR | Chess, however, is much more balanced. |
| 23:42.50 | industrial | huggles the balance of starcraft 1 |
| 23:44.40 | Adys | Cairenn: talk about taking a bite out of crime. |
| 23:44.48 | Cairenn | indeed! |
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| 23:58.52 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: right, since now that fighting games arent using slow ass animations that you can count the frames on and know exactly which frames in the attack animation you can counter on, it means there are games that once a certain combo starts if its done perfectly you are completely defenseless |
| 23:59.15 | ZorbaTHut | if the game has a "perfect strategy" it is a bad game |
| 23:59.18 | Dagmar | It's been that way for a looong time |
| 23:59.21 | ZorbaTHut | in most fighting games, the goal isn't to break out of the combo |
| 23:59.25 | ZorbaTHut | it's to *not get in the combo in the first place* |
| 23:59.56 | Dagmar | Right about the same time Tekken first came out things changed from "who has better reflexes" to "who spends more on gaming magazines to learn the combo attacks" |
