| 00:04.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Jamash (~chatzilla@99-92-174-69.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:05.46 | Fisker | old A-KO |
| 00:05.54 | Jamash | there's a tornado warning here |
| 00:06.40 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a "holy crap you're going to get snow" warning here |
| 00:06.42 | Dagmar | A-KO: Full of awesome |
| 00:07.51 | A-KO | lol ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:07.53 | A-KO | yeah Dagmar, it is |
| 00:08.20 | Fisker | ololololololold |
| 00:20.49 | Shirik | Cide: a bit busy right now sorry :< |
| 00:20.50 | Shirik | anyway |
| 00:20.53 | Shirik | This vulnerability allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code on |
| 00:20.53 | Shirik | vulnerable installations of Sun Java Runtime. Authentication is not |
| 00:20.53 | Shirik | required to exploit this vulnerability. |
| 00:20.54 | Shirik | ^ failure |
| 00:21.30 | kd3 | oh huzzah |
| 00:21.34 | kd3 | non-broken sc2 install |
| 00:21.39 | kd3 | pushes wine along |
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| 00:40.35 | kd3 | nifty. it's doing all of the patches at once instead of patch->wow->patch->wow |
| 00:41.07 | Jamash | yeah I like that |
| 00:46.13 | Gnarfoz | launcher has been doing that for quite a while now ;o |
| 00:46.43 | Fisker | i want to have sex with you kd3 |
| 00:49.00 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o Shirik] by Shirik |
| 00:49.14 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
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| 00:55.29 | Jamash | madness.method() |
| 00:56.35 | Cide | Shirik, always busy! |
| 00:59.56 | Dagmar | Well, let's be honest. |
| 01:00.00 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 01:00.03 | Gnarfoz | honesty is no good |
| 01:00.28 | Dagmar | If the patcher didn't do that, and all you could find was your original, Vanilla WoW CD when you get your Cataclysm code, you *might* be done patching in time for 5.0 |
| 01:00.49 | Gnarfoz | why would he be playing vanilla still |
| 01:00.58 | Gnarfoz | gogo wotlk dvd and start installing with 3.0.1 ;p |
| 01:00.59 | cog|away | wtb glasses clip-on bluetooth HUD projector |
| 01:00.59 | Dagmar | If someone had to reinstall or something |
| 01:01.16 | Torhal | I'd download all of the patches directly. |
| 01:01.18 | Dagmar | cog: No, you really don't. Bluetooth has crap latency |
| 01:01.22 | Torhal | Fuck waiting for the patcher. |
| 01:01.24 | cog|away | ok. wifi |
| 01:01.26 | cog|away | rf |
| 01:01.28 | cog|away | w/e |
| 01:01.29 | Jamash | I'd download the latest installer via bittorrent |
| 01:01.54 | Gnarfoz | downloading the installer is equal to using the wotlk dvd, last I checked |
| 01:02.04 | cog|away | with eye tracking interface >< |
| 01:02.16 | Gnarfoz | cog|away: and DMA... direct mind access |
| 01:03.00 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.05 | cog|away | http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TNG/episode/68518.html imo |
| 01:03.08 | Jamash | battle.net neural interface is in the blizzard store for $14,999 |
| 01:03.25 | Jamash | http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100000922 |
| 01:04.21 | Gnarfoz | cog|away: oh my, I knew what episode that would be before clicking the link! |
| 01:04.31 | cog|away | I know the feeling ;) |
| 01:05.01 | cog|away | mmmmm Robin Lefler |
| 01:05.07 | Gnarfoz | oh yeah. |
| 01:06.28 | kd3 | dagmar; do it anyway |
| 01:08.11 | Dagmar | I need some time to prepare the proper introductory text, so that the b-tards are whipped into a proper frenzy by the time they get to the link |
| 01:09.02 | kd3 | they're /b/tards... are they ever not in a frenzy? |
| 01:09.23 | Dagmar | Actually, yes |
| 01:09.51 | Dagmar | I figure if I just posted "webcam here lol -->" and an address, they'll blow at least 15 minutes just figuring out what it is |
| 01:10.09 | Dagmar | I would rather things go straight to maximum chaos in under a minute. Before the girls can flee the room. |
| 01:10.22 | kd3 | if they don't know...? |
| 01:10.44 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.56 | Wobin | see if you can get access to the room speakers |
| 01:12.05 | Dagmar | See? |
| 01:12.05 | Wobin | and play soundbites like "we're ... watching... you..." |
| 01:12.15 | Dagmar | Dude, I can control the entire thing from where I'm sitting right now. |
| 01:12.26 | Dagmar | Up to and including the motorized blinds |
| 01:12.39 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.42 | Wobin | there has to be a horror movie plot you can abuse |
| 01:13.14 | Wobin | maybe play Barney the Dinosaur at subaural levels |
| 01:13.14 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.56 | Jamash | broadcast noise at high frequencies only young people can hear |
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| 02:02.27 | kd3 | ..."Warning: Setting this value too high or low may cause artists to cry." |
| 02:02.29 | kd3 | really blizz? |
| 02:02.40 | Jamash | what now? |
| 02:02.50 | Wobin | ? |
| 02:02.51 | kd3 | sc2 beta, video options, gamma |
| 02:02.54 | Jamash | oh |
| 02:03.00 | Wobin | yeah |
| 02:03.05 | Wobin | MORE BLOOM |
| 02:03.40 | Jamash | needs more rainbows imo |
| 02:04.06 | Jamash | in space |
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| 02:09.16 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 02:10.47 | kd3 | blah... wtb "manage account" link working... |
| 02:11.38 | *** join/#wowuidev mascondante (~kvirc@99-196-36-207.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 02:12.18 | mascondante | I think I may have just found an addon that allows interaction with the web in game. I've about to test it. seems impossible but I'm about to see. |
| 02:12.33 | Jamash | I doubt it very much |
| 02:12.37 | kd3 | ^ |
| 02:12.57 | kd3 | there used to be a few hacks involving the in-game knowledge base. those have been fixed to my knowledge |
| 02:14.03 | Cairenn | but if you /did/, please let me know, so I can pass it along to the appropriate people at Blizz and get the hole closed |
| 02:14.04 | batrick | Or you could just use a buffer flow exploit to allow your addon to do whatever you want. |
| 02:14.13 | Cairenn | mascondante |
| 02:14.46 | mascondante | sure. I'm not about exploitation. this is just curiosity. |
| 02:14.56 | Cairenn | aye |
| 02:15.21 | Cairenn | not saying you are - this channel is great for tracking down holes so Blizz can get them plugged :) |
| 02:15.53 | Kalroth | they fixed setting the clock, yeah? |
| 02:16.10 | Cairenn | they are very aware of that fact and appreciate it a lot (the fact we track down things like that) |
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| 02:20.53 | ZorbaTHut | I was wondering for a while if you could exploit the clientside RNG by using the randomseed() function |
| 02:20.59 | ZorbaTHut | unfortunately they removed the function before I got around to testing |
| 02:21.10 | ZorbaTHut | I sort of wish I knew if that exploit was why :D |
| 02:22.51 | Shirik | Thunder_Child |
| 02:22.58 | Shirik | my histogram appears to have disappeared from photoshop |
| 02:23.00 | Shirik | wtb it back |
| 02:23.17 | mascondante | Ok I checked it out. it does work. it gathers info in a client and sends/recieves via a reloadui. It's called TweetCraft. Site:http://tweetcraft.codeplex.com/ It's also on curse http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/tweetcraft/ There's also DingTweet on curse that tweets when you level. http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/dingtweet.aspx |
| 02:23.17 | Shirik | oh nm I found it |
| 02:23.35 | kd3 | meh, reloadui's a common thing |
| 02:23.44 | kd3 | as long as it's not real-time it's not really an issue |
| 02:23.53 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 02:24.03 | ZorbaTHut | reloadui's fine, yeah |
| 02:24.15 | Wobin | it's also a terrible terrible mechanism =P |
| 02:24.16 | mascondante | ah. |
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| 02:25.10 | mascondante | why anyone would want to run twitter in game and announce to the world that they've dinged is beyond me. |
| 02:25.38 | Wobin | I still have a conceptual in game twitter in my 'in progress' addons |
| 02:26.41 | mascondante | it's quite a rough way to do things but I suppose it works. In theroy it could be useful for say... database updates of some kind. |
| 02:27.43 | Wobin | it could be useful for non-imperative updates |
| 02:27.54 | Wobin | but nothing time dependant |
| 02:28.02 | Wobin | s/dependant/sensitive/ |
| 02:28.47 | Wobin | lol http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/042010/europe_vs_usa.jpg |
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| 02:29.59 | Seerah | Wobin: I is confused by that... Hugh Laurie isn't American - he's English |
| 02:30.31 | Seerah | oh... that's him on the left, too |
| 02:30.35 | Seerah | still confused, though |
| 02:31.34 | batrick | perhaps the guy on the left is an american actor |
| 02:31.41 | batrick | so maybe it's supposed to be ironical? |
| 02:31.44 | Wobin | No, it's both Hugh Laurie =P |
| 02:31.54 | batrick | well that's just confusing |
| 02:31.58 | Wobin | but a lot of Americans believe that he's american |
| 02:32.11 | Wobin | (cause he has an -accent-!) |
| 02:44.59 | Dagmar | That and Briton's aren't generally known for being as rude. |
| 02:45.08 | Dagmar | s/'//; |
| 02:45.22 | Dagmar | ...or as overtly masculine. |
| 02:46.01 | Wobin | They're not known for being rude? =) |
| 02:46.12 | Dagmar | Have you ever *watched* House? |
| 02:46.18 | Dagmar | He's a right bastard. |
| 02:46.21 | Wobin | well yes |
| 02:46.30 | Wobin | but Britons aren't known for being rude? |
| 02:46.46 | Dagmar | Not that rude. That's a realm of rudeness generally left reserved for the French. |
| 02:46.57 | Wobin | well, yes, but that's the -French- |
| 02:47.03 | Wobin | that's a whole different ballpark of rude |
| 02:47.36 | Dagmar | Yep. Dr. House is standing on the 50yd line merrily kicking people in the jimmy on that field |
| 02:48.19 | Dagmar | Frankly we're just glad he doesn't have the BBC idea of an American accent. |
| 02:48.31 | Wobin | well, that's cause he's a -good- actor =) |
| 02:48.36 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 02:49.16 | Dagmar | Every time there's some American military person on Dr. Who I wince and wonder if we _really_ sound like that to them |
| 02:49.32 | Wobin | (Psst. Yes you do =)) |
| 02:49.58 | Dagmar | WEll, I guess I won't feel bad anymore then about what BBC and guildmates have done to my voice. |
| 02:50.34 | Dagmar | I can't drink in geographically mixed company anymore because I wind up taking on other people's accents |
| 02:51.28 | Dagmar | Personally, I blame my boss for having me on the graveyard shift for so long with nothing but automated voices (Scottish accent) and whatever I nabbed off the PVR to keep me company all night |
| 02:51.49 | Wobin | yeah =\ |
| 02:51.56 | Wobin | I have that accent absorption issue |
| 02:52.13 | Dagmar | Next time I modify alarm interfaces with voice recordings I will *not* "go the extra mile" and give them accents |
| 02:52.52 | Arrowmaster | what if its an awesome accent? |
| 02:53.02 | Dagmar | One system is scottish-sounding, one system is british-sounding, and one I modified a bit more to make sound australian |
| 02:53.35 | Arrowmaster | it says "ga'day mate"? |
| 02:53.40 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Doesn't much matter. People either think you're putting on airs, or they're jealous because they can't do ti and don't realize you're barely aware you're doin git |
| 02:54.07 | Dagmar | It says 'system critical', 'system warning', 'latency exceeded'. Things like that |
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| 02:54.30 | Dagmar | I got on that kick because the old monitoring system we had, one of the engineers in the office just recorded his voice for. |
| 02:54.49 | Dagmar | That engineer simply doesn't understand why everyone in Network Operations doesn't like to talk to him. |
| 02:55.17 | Dagmar | In the backs of our heads, we're thinking "stop going on about the goddamn Olin router" |
| 02:55.18 | Arrowmaster | get recordings similar to the ut2k4 'sexy' announcer voice |
| 02:55.35 | Dagmar | Yeah well, that would be up to *me* and I'm not stupid enough to put myself in that position. |
| 02:56.17 | Dagmar | Plus there's the whole 'chauvanism' thing which I'm not interested in taking any online 'reeducation' classes in. |
| 02:56.57 | Dagmar | At least with what we have now you can immediately tell "who" is alarming, they don't sound particularly sexy or anything, and they don't sound like anyone in the office |
| 02:57.05 | Dagmar | (although they do sound like a number of our colo customers) |
| 02:57.39 | Arrowmaster | how often do these alarms go off anyway? |
| 02:57.43 | Dagmar | Trying to deal with some of the people from chemical engineering is a chore now because one of them's aussie and another one is a londoner |
| 02:58.00 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Depending on the time of year, every few minues to hourly |
| 02:58.11 | Arrowmaster | ouch |
| 02:58.18 | Dagmar | SNMP is just freaking wonderful when your boss doesn't want people making alarms double check before sounding off |
| 02:58.52 | Dagmar | So... a bunch of students downloading porno at once can cause an SNMP- or ICMP-based check to miss a step |
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| 02:59.52 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.13 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.22 | Arrowmaster | you are hiring in the summer right? |
| 03:00.29 | Dagmar | nope |
| 03:00.38 | Dagmar | Well, we might be then |
| 03:01.03 | Dagmar | I've got to do some work on the HR people. |
| 03:01.22 | Dagmar | They've gotten it into their heads that we're relatively unskilled, low-knowledge people. |
| 03:01.34 | Dagmar | No. No. No. Not by a large margin. |
| 03:01.47 | Dagmar | Those sorts of people result in monitoring failures. |
| 03:02.01 | Arrowmaster | IT is like a mechanic |
| 03:02.13 | Dagmar | Either they wind up calling admins at all hours of the day and night over trifles, or they become cowed by said admins and let things slip because they don't understand the equipment |
| 03:02.22 | Arrowmaster | highly skilled and highly specialized knowledge |
| 03:02.42 | Dagmar | Moderately-skilled, broad-spectrum knowledge is what's needed here |
| 03:02.55 | Dagmar | You've got to know at least half of everyone's job |
| 03:03.26 | Dagmar | While strictly speaking, no A+ or Net+ or Server+ certs are anywhere near required, you have to know at least a third of all of them |
| 03:03.50 | Dagmar | Otherwise you just can't put the pieces of what you're seeing together fast enough |
| 03:04.10 | Dagmar | We've caught a bit of hell because we've been hiring "insiders" for the last two years, specifically Nashville 2600 geeks |
| 03:04.15 | Dagmar | *Hackers* |
| 03:04.27 | Dagmar | Some folks want to claim nepotism on that. |
| 03:04.30 | Arrowmaster | got my A+ and have taken classes that covered Net+, Security+, and CCNA but havent taken the certification tests |
| 03:04.58 | Dagmar | Hackers tend to have enough knowledge about a million little things that let them work the rest out |
| 03:05.26 | Dagmar | Our last hire came from being admin of an entire county's public school computing netwokr. |
| 03:05.34 | Arrowmaster | http://xkcd.com/627/ |
| 03:05.36 | Dagmar | This was actually a _wage increase_ for him |
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| 03:06.25 | Arrowmaster | i think my mom actually printed that xkcd out at her work |
| 03:06.33 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure that if they knew, the students in that school district would want to erect a statue in my bosses honor, just for getting him off their backs. |
| 03:06.50 | Dagmar | A hacker is kind of the last sort of person you want keeping you from MySpace |
| 03:07.34 | Dagmar | ...cuz they'll block all your proxies one by one, and then begin thinking up ways they'd bypass that, and blocking those, and then locking out anything named solitaire.exe just for giggles |
| 03:08.17 | Dagmar | ...and then they'll start actually monitoring all network traffic looking for anomalous traffic, and blocking _those_ methods. |
| 03:08.18 | Arrowmaster | haha yeah, back in highschool our class was known for always being able get past the filter |
| 03:08.32 | Dagmar | Yes, not many kids can get past what Wilpig was doing over there |
| 03:08.43 | Dagmar | ...and when they did, it wasn't for long |
| 03:09.13 | Arrowmaster | i also ran wireshark on the wireless network picking up IM messages (every student had a laptop) |
| 03:09.21 | Dagmar | I know of a few cases where he actually targeted students and looked at the timestamps on their blog posts. If anything happened during school hours, he'd just watch them specifically. |
| 03:10.12 | sylvanaar | steam is so bad for me |
| 03:10.25 | Dagmar | You can maybe hide from an admin when he's watching the network aggregate traffic. You're just screwed if he *knows* you're bypassing things, where you're doing it from, and a window of when you're doing it |
| 03:10.28 | sylvanaar | i just bought settlers 7, is it any good? |
| 03:11.04 | Arrowmaster | there was a shoutcast server sitting in our classroom when we graduated that must of had more songs on it than the school budget could handle if the RIAA found out about it |
| 03:11.33 | Cide | sylvanaar, does it matter what we say now? :P |
| 03:11.46 | sylvanaar | Cide: sure |
| 03:11.56 | Cide | you have already bought it |
| 03:12.05 | Dagmar | Arrowmaste: Yeah that wouldnt' have worked here. He was checking disk allocations |
| 03:12.06 | mascondante | what's that addon that makes the minimap a little bigger and square? I had it a long time ago and liked it. |
| 03:12.07 | sylvanaar | Cide: but i can feel more or less guily about it |
| 03:12.14 | sylvanaar | guilty |
| 03:12.16 | Cide | I have no idea in any case |
| 03:12.20 | Cide | but I'm sure it's great! |
| 03:12.25 | sylvanaar | <3 |
| 03:12.26 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: but anyway, if all goes well i should have the last of the classes done for my associate degree and my CNSS 4011 cert the first week of june |
| 03:12.36 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Sorting the entire list of workstations into groups, and popping outliers that way |
| 03:12.52 | Cide | mascondante, I hear google works |
| 03:12.57 | Cide | ~google square minimap wow addon |
| 03:13.17 | Dagmar | mascondante: Perhaps SexyMap? |
| 03:13.21 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: that shoutcast server wasnt using an assigned workstation, it was built out of spare parts in the room |
| 03:13.33 | Cide | guess purl wasn't compliant |
| 03:13.47 | Cide | in any case, the first... well the whole first page |
| 03:13.50 | Cide | are relevant results |
| 03:13.52 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: So Wilpig would have come knocking on the classroom door because of a rogue MAC address. |
| 03:14.04 | Cide | so learn to google before you ask stupid questions |
| 03:14.19 | Cairenn | tekkub: :p |
| 03:14.30 | Dagmar | Ther'es more than a little BoFH in that guy. He looooved destroying the hopes and dreams of children. : |
| 03:14.31 | Dagmar | ) |
| 03:14.46 | mascondante | Dagmar: ty |
| 03:14.59 | Dagmar | I warned the folks here that he'd made me look like a Pollyana |
| 03:15.50 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: not at my highschool, our classroom was special and on its own network and had a rack of 10 cisco routers, everybody else in the school was on 172.16 and we were on 192.168 |
| 03:16.04 | Dagmar | Very cool |
| 03:16.32 | Dagmar | I'm somewhat hoping we can get him transferred into the Windows admin group |
| 03:16.49 | Dagmar | I'm going back into network security probably in the fall |
| 03:17.07 | Dagmar | I was worrying a bit at first about taking someone's job, but that person is slowly eroding my faith in their ability to do the job |
| 03:17.25 | Arrowmaster | whats your current job? |
| 03:17.32 | Dagmar | Network monitor |
| 03:17.41 | Dagmar | Well, "NOC analyst" |
| 03:17.50 | Arrowmaster | so i can have that one then when you take network security right? |
| 03:17.57 | Dagmar | At the time I hired on it left me with *loads* of loose time to work on building stuff at home |
| 03:18.20 | Dagmar | Nowadays, not so much. |
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| 03:19.54 | Dagmar | Now we're sitting in front of a bunch of projection screens with a large bank of windows behind us |
| 03:20.00 | Dagmar | So busybodies tend to snoop |
| 03:20.37 | Dagmar | I much preferred it when we were actually wedged in a corner of the datacenter with a pair of metal doors in between us and the rest of the building, with a counter that had positive airflow |
| 03:21.23 | Dagmar | You didn't even have to breathe the same air as the rest of the office, let alone expose yourself to whatever the freshmen have been spreading around |
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| 03:27.43 | Dagmar | Not that they're unsanitary or something, but they come from all over the place, so... vector for diseass... check. |
| 03:27.50 | Arrowmaster | hmm MS dropping itanium support, does anybody still use itaniums? did anybody ever use itaniums? |
| 03:27.53 | mascondante | that sexymap is pretty awesome. |
| 03:28.03 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I never even saw a single one of htem in person |
| 03:28.27 | Dagmar | I think maybe they were an experiment by Intel to trick AMD into wasting resources on 64-bit that somewhat backfired |
| 03:29.07 | Arrowmaster | oh wait HP-UX switched over to only supporting itanium and killed the legendary alpha |
| 03:31.48 | Dagmar | They'd kill HP-UX if it could get them away from it's reputation without making them lose face as a company |
| 03:32.07 | Dagmar | The Alphas were cool, but you couldn't really run them as a desktop unless you were a hardcore engineer |
| 03:32.15 | Dagmar | I damn near bought one myself |
| 03:32.58 | Arrowmaster | my dad had a little HP desktop i named HP-SUX as a joke |
| 03:33.16 | Dagmar | You were not alone in using that nickname |
| 03:33.25 | Arrowmaster | figured |
| 03:34.20 | Dagmar | The only places that tended to accumulate HP-UX machines that I'm aware of were all bureaucracy-heavy places like banks and military, mainly because it was pretty easy to get them certified and they had some nice access controls you could drop in |
| 03:35.10 | Arrowmaster | i think my college has either an HP-UX or an AIX server |
| 03:35.16 | Dagmar | 11 had options available for mandatory labeling that would make you wince if you were trying to get around without serious effor |
| 03:35.55 | Dagmar | If you're looking into that cert you probably know what I'm talking about with the labeling |
| 03:36.24 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 03:36.46 | Dagmar | Right so, mandatory labeling is a form of access control like something most people have only heard of in movies. |
| 03:37.01 | Dagmar | EVERYTHING has a label attached to it. Every scrap of data and every piece of hardware. |
| 03:37.49 | Dagmar | Let's say you work in, say, a prison. Your machine is cleared for access to prisoner release information. Any database items having to do with that, you can access, because your account is cleared and your machine is cleared. You want to copy this information to a thumb drive? De-nied. It's not cleared. |
| 03:38.23 | Dagmar | You want to print the release orders to *your* printer? Fine. You can do that. It's cleared for it beause it's got the appropriate access label. Someone down the hall trying to print a file to that printer will be out of luck. |
| 03:38.41 | Dagmar | You can't even email something to someone who doesn't share your same clearance. |
| 03:39.01 | Arrowmaster | so guessing theres no clipboard? |
| 03:39.14 | Dagmar | Not one that doesn't retain the labeling information. |
| 03:39.23 | Dagmar | So.. no cutting and pasting to get around it |
| 03:40.15 | Arrowmaster | screenshot? |
| 03:40.55 | Dagmar | I never had time to get as familiar with those as I wanted to, but where say the Linux kernel more or less is only concerned with who allocated memory, those hardened kernels kept the labels associated with any bits of data right there in the memory just like a really hostile memory allocation table |
| 03:41.03 | Arrowmaster | yes i know im bad for questioning how to get around it just after hearing about it, its the way i am |
| 03:41.19 | Dagmar | It *knows* some chunks of RAM have clearance and others don't, and never the twain shall meet under any circumstances |
| 03:43.07 | Dagmar | Unless you want to hire someone to point guns at your people while they work at a terminal, it's pretty hard to beat that for information control purposes |
| 03:43.31 | Arrowmaster | is surprised hes not on more government watch lists for always questioning security implementations and his families history of highly classified government work |
| 03:43.54 | Dagmar | See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell-La_Padula_model |
| 03:45.00 | Dagmar | Questioning isn't likely to get you into any issues |
| 03:45.09 | Dagmar | Bypassing things will pretty damn quick tho |
| 03:45.35 | Dagmar | All questioning is likely to get you is a few extra minutes of grilling should you apply for a clearance |
| 03:45.58 | Arrowmaster | well i do know a few highly classified things too that i probably shouldnt |
| 03:46.03 | Dagmar | I wouldn't worry about whetehr or not you'll get a clearance tho |
| 03:46.45 | Dagmar | I've done a lot of stuff I probably shouldn't have, but I'm still able to get a clearance if I need one |
| 03:47.40 | Dagmar | Acts of disloyalty and acts of serious dishonesty will get you bounced real quick tho |
| 03:48.57 | Dagmar | I worried about it quite a bit at one point and started asking a lot of questions of people who've had to get cleared |
| 03:49.16 | Dagmar | One recurring theme definitely kept showing up "Do not lie to the examiner." |
| 03:49.55 | Dagmar | Even if you spent the last five years dealing drugs, _that's not a dealbreaker_ |
| 03:50.19 | Arrowmaster | one of my uncles lost his clearance due to something with a canadian national living with his father or grandfather or something |
| 03:51.21 | Dagmar | I know someone who lost theirs over some embezzlement, which is apparently one of the things that will keep you from getting a clearance |
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| 03:52.48 | Dagmar | I did like what I was hearing about the types of things htey're looking for |
| 03:53.06 | Dagmar | it's practically a moral fiber check |
| 03:53.30 | Dagmar | ...with a bit of "how susceptible to subversion is this person" |
| 03:53.55 | Dagmar | Someone heavily in the closet is probably not getting a clearance because of blackmail. Long-term drug addiction and no clearance for you. |
| 03:54.30 | Arrowmaster | i dont even know whats going on with my other uncle, we were suspecting he was doing government work again when emails to him bounced and his phones were disconnected, then we had the local police where he lives drive by for a welfare check and he sent a short email saying things were kinda strange and hectic but he couldnt talk about it right now |
| 03:54.59 | Dagmar | Sounds like it |
| 03:55.33 | Dagmar | They've probably got him squirrelled away doing so much work he forgot to keep up the phone |
| 03:55.34 | Arrowmaster | hes worked on both the AEGIS and AWACS before |
| 03:56.55 | Dagmar | finishes Googling |
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| 03:57.07 | Dagmar | Prolly got him squirreled away |
| 03:59.10 | Arrowmaster | although all my classified knowledge comes from the work my other uncle did |
| 04:00.25 | Dagmar | I can't see them effectively sequesteting him for AEGIS, but AWACS-type stuff, oh yeah |
| 04:00.52 | Dagmar | er sequestering |
| 04:02.28 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:05.25 | Dagmar | http://www.janes.com/ <--- spoooooooks. ...and they even have a newsfeed if you're feeling like you're getting too much sleep at night |
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| 04:08.14 | doc-saintly | Is the Lua in wow truly multithreaded? |
| 04:08.21 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:08.25 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.40 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.00 | doc-saintly | and it was in use in the 1950's if i recall correctly <.< |
| 04:10.14 | doc-saintly | Arrowmaster: are there any benefits from threading UI stuff? Does it get more processor time if you do |
| 04:11.32 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.21 | Arrowmaster | doc-saintly: Lua is not multithreaded, wow is not even truely multithreaded, it just fakes it by having the video renderer in one thread and other stuff like sound in another thread |
| 04:12.31 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.32 | doc-saintly | Arrowmaster: Lua is multithreaded |
| 04:12.46 | Arrowmaster | are you referring to coroutines? |
| 04:12.55 | doc-saintly | "Do not confuse Lua threads with operating-system threads. Lua supports coroutines on all systems, even those that do not support threads." |
| 04:13.38 | doc-saintly | hrm, i interpreted that wrong. I took it to mean that Lua supports them, and it's up to the OS to make Lua truly multi threaded |
| 04:13.41 | doc-saintly | too hopeful i guess |
| 04:13.49 | Dagmar | Nah they're faking it all-round |
| 04:13.59 | Dagmar | It keeps things simple |
| 04:14.16 | doc-saintly | hehe |
| 04:14.22 | Arrowmaster | coroutines are still great for keeping completely seperate things going on at the same time though |
| 04:14.24 | Dagmar | No, I'm quite serious about that actually |
| 04:14.27 | doc-saintly | i know |
| 04:14.54 | doc-saintly | Say you had a list of 100 items to sort through, and you wanted to find groups that had the exact same attributes |
| 04:14.57 | doc-saintly | how would you go about doing it |
| 04:15.20 | doc-saintly | i of course know theres the brute force for each method... but that would be wildly inefficient |
| 04:15.23 | Dagmar | Okay. Some people don't always catch on that "simple" in that context is a pretty broad space, a bit like a learning curve that's four miles long with Ayers Rock at one end and you don't even get crampons. |
| 04:15.36 | Jamash | doc-saintly: sort | uniq |
| 04:15.40 | doc-saintly | Dagmar: you don't need crampons if you go on the nice trails ;) |
| 04:15.54 | doc-saintly | they've got the nice poles in the ground and everything! |
| 04:16.02 | doc-saintly | Jamash: checking lua docs, i'll be ecstatic if it's really that easy |
| 04:16.13 | Dagmar | Hmm... You can't really see those from the pictures I guess |
| 04:16.23 | doc-saintly | ah, i assumed you'd been there |
| 04:16.28 | Jamash | doc-saintly: I'm being metaphorical, those are unix commands :P |
| 04:16.30 | Arrowmaster | doc-saintly: are your items tables? |
| 04:16.45 | doc-saintly | it's just like any "mountain", there's the real trail which requires skill, and the tourist trial |
| 04:16.50 | doc-saintly | Arrowmaster: i'm generating the list, so it can be whatever i want |
| 04:16.51 | Dagmar | nope. I've just seen it as pictures of some really huge rock which looks like it's just itching for noobs to fall off it |
| 04:17.03 | doc-saintly | are tables similar to classes in other languages, or more like a library |
| 04:17.16 | doc-saintly | Dagmar: lol, it gets really windy there too |
| 04:17.21 | Jamash | they're like dictionaries / arrays / hashes |
| 04:17.22 | Arrowmaster | tables are everything in lua |
| 04:17.27 | Jamash | also objects |
| 04:17.34 | Jamash | and classes |
| 04:17.36 | doc-saintly | yes, but i thought you could also do String[5] in Lua |
| 04:17.43 | Jamash | they're all-singing all-dancing |
| 04:17.49 | doc-saintly | or does that just create a table |
| 04:18.18 | Arrowmaster | what do you mean by String[5] |
| 04:18.34 | Dagmar | "<Shirik> Everything is a table! Everything!" |
| 04:18.50 | Arrowmaster | doesnt really know many other languages well and doesnt have any 'formal' programming training |
| 04:19.00 | doc-saintly | Arrowmaster: nevermind, i mean an array, |
| 04:19.10 | doc-saintly | but it's becoming more apparent that anything that seems like it is an array is actually a table |
| 04:19.17 | Dagmar | From what I know of it it's a bit like everything in perl is magic |
| 04:19.21 | Dagmar | :) |
| 04:19.41 | Jamash | there is no such thing as arrays in Lua, it's all tables |
| 04:19.43 | Arrowmaster | tables can be used as an array, or they can be used as a hash |
| 04:20.07 | Jamash | or both |
| 04:20.08 | doc-saintly | any good links for the various uses, or does the lua docs explain it well |
| 04:20.14 | Arrowmaster | or they can be used as both, at the same time, with some rather odd results sometimes |
| 04:20.17 | Arrowmaster | ~pil |
| 04:20.18 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 04:20.22 | Arrowmaster | ^^^^^^ |
| 04:20.30 | Arrowmaster | the online one is good enough |
| 04:20.43 | Jamash | yeah use the online book and the online reference |
| 04:20.47 | Arrowmaster | but it covers everything you need to know, EVERYTHING |
| 04:20.56 | Dagmar | ...and best of all, it won't some day be a contributing factor in your death by smoke inhalation if there's ever a fire. |
| 04:21.08 | doc-saintly | which would you start reading first |
| 04:21.28 | Jamash | the book |
| 04:22.00 | Arrowmaster | the lua docs or 'manual' is really just a definition of each of the functions, PiL covers how to use the different parts of the language |
| 04:22.00 | Jamash | and now, ice cream |
| 04:23.00 | doc-saintly | cool, i'll start digging through it. |
| 04:23.06 | doc-saintly | thanks for the help, sorry for the noob questions |
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| 04:27.24 | Dagmar | The only noob questions are the ones people have to drag out of you. |
| 04:27.34 | doc-saintly | lol i dunno |
| 04:27.41 | doc-saintly | i could throw one of my favorites at you xD |
| 04:28.23 | doc-saintly | "How do I make an addon that will calculate information abotu the stuff in my bag" or "Where is a tutorial about creating a bunch of frames with information about stuff in my bag" |
| 04:28.36 | Dagmar | "WHy won't it work?" with no description of WTF "it" is, when they were doing it, and what the hell they were trying to do in the first place... *that's* a noob question |
| 04:29.00 | doc-saintly | i particularly hate "where is a tutorial" ... as if there is some prewritten guide for everything you want to do |
| 04:29.06 | doc-saintly | that's why it's called DEVELOPMENT |
| 04:29.21 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprograming |
| 04:29.27 | Dagmar | doc-saintly: honestly man I still suck eggs at lua, but someone could manage the first one in 2-3 paragraphs of plain english without writin the code for someone, and the second one is "Google." |
| 04:29.27 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 04:29.28 | purl | somebody said wowprogramming was World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 04:29.36 | Arrowmaster | ^^^ tutorial |
| 04:30.00 | Dagmar | If you can paste your question into Google and see the answer in thte first three hits, you have failed. |
| 04:30.12 | doc-saintly | Arrowmaster: i was joking of course ;) i know of those sites |
| 04:30.20 | Dagmar | I like that there are *very* few questions like that in here. |
| 04:30.26 | Jerub | how long has the threat aura's had percentages aailable? |
| 04:31.01 | Jamash | since wrath |
| 04:31.04 | Dagmar | Jerub: I *think* since they added them but I'm not sure |
| 04:31.22 | Dagmar | I've never cared enough to use 'em since my relationship to threat is pretty damn simple |
| 04:31.49 | Dagmar | "Is Omen carping at me? Yes? Stop clicking. No? Click harder." |
| 04:31.50 | Jerub | my mage loves them now :) |
| 04:32.06 | Jerub | omen is too subtle for me |
| 04:32.14 | Dagmar | "Is someone else about to take aggro... Yes? Misdirect and pray. No. Click harder." |
| 04:32.24 | Jamash | I wrote a dead simple threat meter back in the wrath beta so yeah it's been around for a while |
| 04:33.06 | Dagmar | I just know from the few times I've had their threat thingie enabled that it had to be making specific numbers available somewhere |
| 04:33.38 | Dagmar | I'm pretty much always at 35yds so I only have to worry about one thing... "130" |
| 04:34.00 | Dagmar | Mainly tho, the only thing I really care about is "Am I second on the list" or "Am I ahead of the healer?" |
| 04:34.23 | Dagmar | If a warlock dies in the forest and no one's around to save them, does anyone hear them crying for a bres? |
| 04:34.51 | doc-saintly | depends on if they're soulstoned ;) |
| 04:35.18 | Dagmar | Either way they're highly unlikely to be able to save my bacon so their hide is their own problem. ;) |
| 04:35.40 | Dagmar | Now that I've *got* one I have even less forgiveness for their click-happy natures |
| 04:36.16 | Jamash | warlocks don't have feign death is the issue |
| 04:36.16 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i got some glyphs and a few more talents, and now my level 44 warrior is always on max rage instead of minimum |
| 04:36.27 | ZorbaTHut | excellent |
| 04:36.28 | Dagmar | That it's mainly dot damage they can't stop once they've started it is no excuse for mashing every button on the keyboard at once |
| 04:36.31 | ZorbaTHut | time to heroic strike your face off |
| 04:36.38 | ZorbaTHut | (or more accurately, someone else's face off) |
| 04:36.39 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: yes, i've been doing that |
| 04:36.49 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i've got the HS glyph too |
| 04:36.53 | Jerub | omg revenge does so much damage. |
| 04:37.01 | Jamash | Dagmar: but but how will they top the meters otherwise |
| 04:37.12 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: how do i raise my block rate? only at 8% |
| 04:37.15 | Dagmar | Jamash: They don't need feign death. They need self-restraint. |
| 04:37.23 | ZorbaTHut | don't worry about it too much. block kinda sucks. |
| 04:37.37 | Jamash | if they had self restraint they wouldn't have rolled a warlock |
| 04:38.00 | Dagmar | I htink the key is to keep them almost out of mana by making them clear all the trash themselves. |
| 04:38.24 | Dagmar | If they start the fight with no mana there's only so many times they can get away with lifetapping |
| 04:38.54 | Jamash | I have an aff lock alt and I end fights with full health and mana :P |
| 04:39.12 | ZorbaTHut | life tap on a warlock is minimal enough that any competent healer should largely not notice |
| 04:39.13 | Dagmar | Yes, but when you start with none you have to work for it. |
| 04:39.18 | doc-saintly | meh, when i was playing, they broke my heart by making demonologists suck :\ |
| 04:39.23 | Dagmar | Or at least I know I do but mine's mostly demo |
| 04:39.32 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: but block = revenge = awesome damage. |
| 04:39.41 | Dagmar | Mainly I'm just running through the woods putting two dots on everything as fast as my legs can go |
| 04:40.01 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, dodge or parry either. and warriors have huge passive bonuses to block |
| 04:40.17 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: ah, right. |
| 04:40.18 | Dagmar | doc-saintly: They absolultely don't suck for leveling |
| 04:40.20 | Jamash | dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot |
| 04:40.24 | ZorbaTHut | basically in any realistic situation, with actual tank gear, revenge will be usable constantly on cooldown after about the first three seconds |
| 04:40.31 | doc-saintly | Dagmar: agreed |
| 04:40.43 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: okay, i'm finding the RNG hates me sometimes. |
| 04:40.44 | doc-saintly | Dagmar: but i felt like a sellout when i got to end game and had to go afflic :( |
| 04:40.58 | ZorbaTHut | well, okay, with level-cap gear |
| 04:40.59 | Jamash | I'd like to try demo but affliction stole my heart and used it to summon a felhunter |
| 04:41.03 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: otoh, out of 10 dungeons this weekend, I didn't top the meters in 3. |
| 04:41.08 | Dagmar | doc-saintly you could always go for paraiah status |
| 04:41.12 | ZorbaTHut | level 44 is another thing entirely, since you don't have +def +parry +dodge +block |
| 04:41.12 | DWSR | Jamash: Demo's amazing. |
| 04:41.26 | Dagmar | MOst groups frown heavily on multi-kite fearing in instances for some reason |
| 04:41.29 | Wobin | I swear there's a bug with Noblegarden |
| 04:41.34 | Jamash | some time I'll spend the golds on dual spec and try it out |
| 04:41.37 | Wobin | I logged out with chocolate |
| 04:41.40 | Wobin | but logged in with none |
| 04:41.41 | DWSR | Jamash: You at level cap? |
| 04:41.50 | Wobin | thankfully, I'd gotten all the chocolate I needed for the meta |
| 04:41.56 | Jamash | DWSR: on main, yes, on lock, no |
| 04:42.08 | Jamash | is chocolate considered a conjured item? |
| 04:42.18 | Dagmar | Wobin: I'd try again and see if they were flagged incorrectly as summoned or something |
| 04:42.27 | DWSR | Jamash: Yeah, once you get Meta and Decimation, leveling becomes....lolwin. |
| 04:42.32 | DWSR | That's pretty much how I'd describe it. |
| 04:42.40 | Dagmar | I do not like this new policy of making holiday tokens _vaporize_ when the holiday is over |
| 04:42.40 | Jamash | oh hmm, supposed to last 7 days |
| 04:42.42 | DWSR | Once you get your Decimation string going, there's win. |
| 04:42.50 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, could be worse |
| 04:42.52 | Jerub | last year there was a bug where if you changed zones with a non-full stack of chocolate it would fill up |
| 04:42.53 | ZorbaTHut | they could detonate |
| 04:42.56 | Jerub | ... after duration hit0. |
| 04:43.07 | ZorbaTHut | 250 damage per token onhand |
| 04:43.09 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Only if I'm allowed to throw them into other people's inventory |
| 04:43.12 | Jerub | i was eating chocolate for weeks after noblegarden. |
| 04:43.13 | Dagmar | THEN it would be cool as hell |
| 04:43.23 | ZorbaTHut | I've *still* got a stack or two of halloween candy |
| 04:43.27 | Wobin | Dagmar, I had 100 chocolate =P |
| 04:43.35 | Wobin | it all disappeared on logout =P |
| 04:43.37 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think my warrior has ate anything besides halloween candy for the last 1.5 years |
| 04:43.39 | Jerub | Wobin: ticket. |
| 04:43.42 | Dagmar | Wobin: Yeah that would kind of suck |
| 04:43.50 | Jamash | I logged in to one character and he still had a mohawk grenade effect on him |
| 04:43.57 | Jerub | Jamash: awesome |
| 04:44.04 | Jamash | that's what happens when your computer breaks and you don't play for 3 months |
| 04:44.08 | Dagmar | I logged in last night to check auctions and wound up telling my guild leader "F**K EGGS" |
| 04:44.12 | Arrowmaster | i have a full stack of Christmas food |
| 04:44.17 | Dagmar | Last year I flogged the thundercrap out of that event |
| 04:44.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: Why? :P |
| 04:44.20 | Wobin | Jerub, I would... but yeah, I've already bought everything I need for the meta |
| 04:44.20 | ZorbaTHut | one of my friends knew someone who logged off with three stacks of Lifebloom on their summoned pet |
| 04:44.29 | Jamash | also I have a violet proto drake so noblegarden can suck it |
| 04:44.32 | ZorbaTHut | they logged back in after a patch and Lifebloom had 90 days duration left |
| 04:44.41 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: YAY! |
| 04:44.49 | Jamash | that's awesome ZorbaTHut |
| 04:45.05 | Dagmar | DWSR: I probably farmed up 500-600 eggs |
| 04:45.05 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:45.19 | Wobin | can you imagine the power of a swiftmend on a LB with -that- much time on it? |
| 04:45.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: Should have told him to suck eggs instead. :P |
| 04:45.21 | Dagmar | DWSR: On two different toons |
| 04:45.29 | Dagmar | I have all of the everything for that event |
| 04:45.36 | Dagmar | ...and a few extras besides |
| 04:45.46 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, rejuv/regrowth only |
| 04:46.05 | Jerub | Wobin: swiftmend consumes rejuv and regrowth only. |
| 04:46.13 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: ... jinx |
| 04:46.13 | ZorbaTHut | plus it heals an amount relative to "x seconds of rejuv/x seconds of regrowth", so it wouldn't do anything with 90 days of either of those |
| 04:46.22 | Dagmar | After the first few hours it had all the interest of a very quiet game of Quake... just running the circuit boosting my rabbit as fast as I could |
| 04:46.41 | ZorbaTHut | I should check to make sure I've got all the noble garden achievements |
| 04:47.03 | Dagmar | I was half hoping they'd sneak in an extra one or add a giant carrot to kill or something |
| 04:47.06 | ZorbaTHut | yup. done |
| 04:47.17 | Dagmar | A *little* of the thing I could stand |
| 04:47.30 | Dagmar | Facing a complete reset like the Lunar Festival does tho, f**k that |
| 04:47.55 | Dagmar | "GPS TAG YOUR OLDSTERS ALREADY" |
| 04:48.02 | Jamash | hah |
| 04:48.02 | Jerub | oh, my warrior got the carrot on the stick trinkets :D |
| 04:48.14 | Jamash | carrot on a stick is fun |
| 04:48.28 | Jamash | as long as you have outfitter or something to autoswap it |
| 04:48.43 | ZorbaTHut | dammit, since when does res sickness not go down when logged off |
| 04:48.46 | Jamash | what |
| 04:48.53 | Jamash | lame |
| 04:49.07 | Wobin | what? =P |
| 04:49.12 | Dagmar | Carrot on the stick? |
| 04:49.13 | Wobin | that's stupid =P |
| 04:49.30 | Jerub | 3% more mounted speed while under level 70 |
| 04:49.46 | Dagmar | Oh. I'm about to drop mine on my 'lock. GOnna hit 71. |
| 04:49.47 | Jerub | it's a quest reward from a zul'drak quest |
| 04:50.05 | Wobin | Dagmar, easist to farm the eggs by standing in one spot and monitoring a few spawnpoints at once |
| 04:50.05 | Jamash | zul'farrak != zul'drak |
| 04:50.11 | Arrowmaster | new stuff this year? i did it last year |
| 04:50.13 | Jerub | oh,sorry, zul'farrak |
| 04:50.18 | Dagmar | Wobin: Yes, but even more dull than playing peggle |
| 04:50.23 | Jerub | Wobin: *nod* |
| 04:50.23 | Jamash | peggle is rad |
| 04:50.43 | Jamash | anyway I should go sleeps, got work tomorrow |
| 04:50.47 | Jamash | NIGHT FOLKS |
| 04:51.03 | Dagmar | the late night crew I was doing this with all agreed that while it was slightly annoying to be in a constant state of egg ninjaing, it was a hell of a lot less boring when we all just tore-ass around the villages in rabbit form |
| 04:51.55 | Dagmar | Seriously, what do you expect is going to happen when you eat a hundred chocolate sugar-filled eggs in one sitting. |
| 04:52.01 | Dagmar | It's definitely not going to be sitting around patiently. |
| 04:52.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: A heart attack or diabetes? |
| 04:52.33 | Dagmar | A sugar rush the size of Gojirra |
| 04:53.20 | Dagmar | My hunter's liver has *yet* to try to have him tried for violations of the Geneva convention for three Brewfests in a row now, so I doubt he's getting diabetes |
| 04:53.36 | Jerub | Dagmar: 3 in a row? |
| 04:53.45 | Dagmar | That much alcohol... your liver should just blow a hole in your ribcage trying to get away |
| 04:53.45 | Jerub | you mean you put three octbers together consequtively? |
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| 04:54.58 | Dagmar | No I mean for pretty much every year there's been a Brewfest I've tapped it out |
| 04:55.12 | Dagmar | I'm still a member of the Brew of the Month club, because I like the beers |
| 04:55.35 | Arrowmaster | i missed one fucking month |
| 04:56.23 | Jerub | i alwyas like seeing the beers getting drunk at the start of the month |
| 04:57.03 | Arrowmaster | i missed one month and then it stopped sending me beer so i had to get a GM to give me my fucking beer |
| 04:57.14 | Arrowmaster | but he wouldnt give me the one month i missed, only the ones after that month |
| 04:57.53 | Dagmar | Ouch |
| 04:59.31 | Arrowmaster | and this fucking sucks, the xdcc bot i usually get my tv shows from is mia so im having to wait for slow bittorrent |
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| 05:10.56 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: You sound like you're in pubtracker hell. |
| 05:11.21 | Arrowmaster | i am |
| 05:11.50 | DWSR | you looking for prerelease stuff? |
| 05:11.55 | Arrowmaster | ive atleast got my client set so that as soon as im finished it stops seeding, fuck those leechers |
| 05:12.40 | DWSR | I can give you an invite to goem. |
| 05:12.45 | Arrowmaster | im just trying to get my monday night tv shows |
| 05:12.52 | DWSR | Which show? |
| 05:13.21 | Arrowmaster | 24, Castle, Chuck, and Trauma this week |
| 05:13.39 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 05:13.41 | DWSR | Goem has them |
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| 05:13.54 | DWSR | Want an invite? It's a private tracker, but it's pretty easy to maintain a decen tratio. |
| 05:14.19 | Arrowmaster | sure |
| 05:15.30 | DWSR | need mail |
| 05:26.13 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: A-Team complete series dvd rip and its freeleech? fuck yeah! |
| 05:26.21 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: :P |
| 05:26.29 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Goem's hella easy to maintain a ratio at. |
| 05:26.39 | Arrowmaster | something i still dont have on dvd |
| 05:26.43 | DWSR | You get freeleech slots, which basically means that you can download that torrent for free. |
| 05:26.48 | DWSR | (I have no idea how you earn slots) |
| 05:26.57 | DWSR | I don't think anything in the last year that I've actually downloaded has counted on my ratio. |
| 05:27.00 | DWSR | I have like 1TB up. |
| 05:27.24 | Arrowmaster | i have 1TB up on another tracker but ive been a member there for years |
| 05:27.34 | Arrowmaster | ive only got 512kbit upload now |
| 05:28.24 | Thunder_Child | is there a reason i have somehow joined #wowuidev-commits without actually entering a command to do so? |
| 05:28.45 | DWSR | invited + auto-invite? |
| 05:30.25 | Thunder_Child | i didnt even know there was an invite geature |
| 05:30.28 | Thunder_Child | feature* |
| 05:30.30 | Adys | who would invite Thunder_Child anywhere |
| 05:30.33 | Adys | nobody wants him |
| 05:30.46 | Bruners | Fisker would do it |
| 05:30.49 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
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| 05:59.30 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jay_Cooke&diff=354261828&oldid=354261819 |
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| 06:04.44 | Shirik | wow |
| 06:04.51 | Shirik | I just got a "Pure virtual function call" runtime error |
| 06:04.57 | Shirik | I haven't seen that since like |
| 06:04.59 | Shirik | Win 3.1 |
| 06:05.26 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 06:05.30 | Fisker | want to make out? |
| 06:06.02 | Shirik | no ty |
| 06:06.11 | Fisker | .jpg? |
| 06:06.30 | Fisker | .JPG?! |
| 06:06.43 | Thunder_Child | .JPEG!!! |
| 06:06.46 | Shirik | omg Thunder_Child |
| 06:06.50 | Shirik | I was trying to talk to you earlier |
| 06:06.55 | Shirik | but I forgot what I was going to ask |
| 06:06.56 | Thunder_Child | i know |
| 06:07.00 | Thunder_Child | i saw |
| 06:07.03 | Thunder_Child | then you fixed it |
| 06:07.09 | Thunder_Child | about your histogram |
| 06:07.26 | Fisker | btw Thunder_Child i wanted to wish you would die on your birthday here earlier, so i guess i wish you die today then |
| 06:07.29 | Fisker | .3 |
| 06:07.32 | Fisker | :3 |
| 06:07.42 | Thunder_Child | it was not my birthday |
| 06:07.48 | Thunder_Child | it was a mistake |
| 06:07.57 | Fisker | oh |
| 06:08.02 | Fisker | well then i just wish you die regularly |
| 06:08.12 | Thunder_Child | fair enough |
| 06:10.17 | Shirik | oh right |
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| 06:16.07 | mascondante | jeeze visual studio takes forever to update |
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| 06:29.03 | msoul | Is there any difference between the two build 5/15/51 or 15/5/51? |
| 06:29.24 | msoul | prot warrior |
| 06:29.35 | msoul | survivability wise |
| 06:30.37 | Jerub | anyone here use mercurial? |
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| 06:44.50 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I think I'm ordering that lens this week, btw |
| 06:44.52 | Shirik | gonna be sick |
| 06:44.56 | Shirik | night |
| 06:45.08 | Thunder_Child | night |
| 06:46.41 | zenzio | "No one can stop the x86 train, not even Intel." "Maybe not. But certainly some people are trying to strong-ARM the situation." |
| 06:47.05 | nevcairiel | bad pun is bad |
| 06:47.06 | Thunder_Child | ...i hate puns |
| 06:47.40 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 06:48.12 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 06:50.30 | krka | writing a pun like that is taking a big risc |
| 06:50.43 | Shirik | .... |
| 06:50.44 | zenzio | krka: =D |
| 06:50.46 | Shirik | stabs krka |
| 06:51.12 | zenzio | how you guys can be coders and not appreciate such puns, I will never know |
| 06:52.54 | Shirik | falls asleep |
| 06:53.27 | Torhal | zenzio: This is Shirik you speak of. |
| 06:53.50 | Thunder_Child | i dont appreciate any puns |
| 06:54.32 | Shadowed | Shirik has no soul |
| 06:54.33 | Shadowed | fyi |
| 06:54.41 | Shadowed | he lost it in a deal with the devil |
| 06:54.54 | Thunder_Child | yes he does, it just happens to be in binary |
| 06:54.56 | Torhal | Shadowed: I'm still convinced he's AI. |
| 06:55.02 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: Indeed |
| 06:55.04 | Shadowed | nope, no soul |
| 06:55.09 | Shadowed | he also is bad at playing a fiddle |
| 06:55.10 | Shadowed | oddly enough |
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| 07:00.31 | Fisker | i was trolled Shadowed! |
| 07:00.38 | Shadowed | Interesting |
| 07:00.43 | Shadowed | you would think someone as adapt at it as you wouldn't |
| 07:01.13 | Torhal | Shadowed: Adept? I'm pretty sure he just says random shit based off of whatever lolcats pictures he'd seen for the day. |
| 07:01.31 | msoul | There is this addon for tanks that actually tells you or shows a cursor on your screen to move |
| 07:01.37 | Shadowed | Torhal: that's why I said adapt not adept |
| 07:01.40 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12947101720&sid=1 |
| 07:01.45 | Torhal | BWAH |
| 07:01.47 | msoul | seen it on a LK fight couldn't tell what addon it was |
| 07:01.58 | Thunder_Child | makes love to Fisker |
| 07:02.19 | msoul | anyone knows what addon |
| 07:02.26 | Fisker | i just had a longwinded conversation with an Ex-gm too |
| 07:02.29 | msoul | i'm talking about |
| 07:02.29 | Fisker | he says fuck your face |
| 07:02.36 | Fisker | (tm) Blizzard |
| 07:03.23 | Fisker | oh well |
| 07:03.34 | Fisker | guess i'll go back to discover the meaning of turtleshells and warden |
| 07:03.44 | Fisker | haha |
| 07:03.47 | Fisker | paladins always shafted |
| 07:03.51 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/29/24038460683-cataclysm-class-information-coming.html |
| 07:04.44 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Neho <-wat |
| 07:04.46 | Fisker | wat. |
| 07:08.05 | ZorbaTHut | welp luajit bug reported :( |
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| 07:14.47 | zenzio | "first you have to multiply by 2/3rds to correct for diet Pepsi clock cycles" o_O |
| 07:15.35 | msoul | zenzio: was looking into different forums to read peoples comments/takes on wep enchants for tanks |
| 07:15.50 | zenzio | find anything interesting |
| 07:15.51 | zenzio | *? |
| 07:16.05 | msoul | yeah, ppl still recommend mongoose over blood draining |
| 07:16.28 | msoul | for prot warriors... a lot of paladins choose blade ward over the two enchants dunno why |
| 07:16.40 | zenzio | over blood draining, I could see it |
| 07:16.55 | zenzio | but I would not take Mongoose over Accuracy or Blade Ward |
| 07:16.57 | msoul | some claimed that mongoose would boost your TPS |
| 07:17.14 | msoul | blood draining procs and the 30% thingie is useless so they say |
| 07:17.23 | msoul | Hmm |
| 07:17.37 | msoul | not sure if i tried blade ward |
| 07:18.25 | msoul | zenzio: i did respec few days ago to 5/15/51 |
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| 07:20.45 | Jerub | i saw some numbers that said that mongoose was slightly better for beartank |
| 07:23.19 | Jerub | where do i read about what enchants to get at lower levels? |
| 07:23.39 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think you do |
| 07:23.41 | Jerub | my prot warrior is trouncing instances, but i'm getting annoyed at his lack of enchants and such. |
| 07:23.46 | ZorbaTHut | people don't really bother minmaxing at low levels |
| 07:24.10 | Jerub | what about chants for heirlooms at least |
| 07:24.16 | ZorbaTHut | crusader |
| 07:24.18 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* |
| 07:24.25 | msoul | hehe indeed crusader |
| 07:24.31 | ZorbaTHut | there's like one option for a chest enchant, and it's obvious |
| 07:24.46 | msoul | didn't even bother at low levels just crusader on wep |
| 07:25.04 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i'll have to hvae a gander then... |
| 07:25.09 | ZorbaTHut | ah, there it is, +100 health or +4 all stats |
| 07:25.30 | ZorbaTHut | so yeah you get +100 health, and there ya go. |
| 07:25.35 | msoul | you get pretty decent stats anyway from hairloom |
| 07:26.00 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: +4 all stats for mad health regen from spirit! ;-) |
| 07:26.37 | msoul | zenzio: used to steal agrro when i blade storm in tbc dungeons :( |
| 07:26.43 | msoul | aggro even |
| 07:27.05 | msoul | i still do in dungeons unfortunately with fury |
| 07:27.24 | Dagmar | You can do dungeons in a giant rabbit costume now pretty much |
| 07:27.43 | msoul | i've got a pretty nice custom :P |
| 07:27.49 | Dagmar | I was two-manning the first few Outlands dungeons on my lock with a paladin for backup |
| 07:28.02 | msoul | shapeshifts with daviate fish and that orb from MGT |
| 07:28.52 | Dagmar | Turns you into a belf? |
| 07:28.57 | msoul | yeah |
| 07:29.04 | msoul | too bad only for 5 mmins though |
| 07:29.06 | Jerub | oh, i had a fun one with a warrior in full icc gear the other night |
| 07:29.19 | msoul | Jerub: on kazzak? |
| 07:29.41 | Jerub | he was bitching about the tank (my wife) in ilvl215 gear not holding threat when he was literally charging before she even popped consecrate |
| 07:29.42 | Dagmar | Try the fattie in the middle of Dire Maul next tim you're near there |
| 07:29.52 | Dagmar | I know it's supposed to be rare, but I've killed him three times and it's dropped twice |
| 07:29.53 | Jerub | so she started letting him tank if he pulled. |
| 07:30.21 | Dagmar | The only even minor word of caution is that he's got a lot of hit points for an ogre |
| 07:30.26 | msoul | Dagmar: it's called fattie? link it pls |
| 07:30.41 | Dagmar | No, it's called Orb of Deception. |
| 07:30.46 | Dagmar | The guy who has it is a fattie |
| 07:30.51 | msoul | ah |
| 07:31.00 | Dagmar | That arena sunken down right smack in the middle of Dire Maul |
| 07:31.01 | Jerub | mmm dungeon kick :) |
| 07:31.04 | msoul | it cost about 1k iirc nowadays up to 1700 sometimes |
| 07:31.15 | msoul | will go camp it |
| 07:31.30 | Dagmar | There'll either be some flying critter that usually drops two blues, or the fattie. If the fattie (ogre) spawns, there's even a goblin who'll holler out for everyone around to ehar |
| 07:31.33 | Dagmar | s/ehar/hear/; |
| 07:32.10 | msoul | Jerub: i tanked icc10 with cot shield and sword and really 219 ilvl gear no biggie if you and your grp knows what to do but nowadays ppl tend to blame it on somebody else when they wipe/mistakes etc etc |
| 07:32.40 | msoul | Dagmar: will do it today... i got even the one from st5ratholme to cause ppl dance around you |
| 07:32.43 | Dagmar | msoul: How much of ICC10 tho? |
| 07:32.48 | msoul | i have a thing for such things and tabards |
| 07:33.02 | msoul | Dagmar: 1 wing only :) and got a shield/ring and the mace in one run |
| 07:33.06 | Dagmar | msoul: I keep meaning to do it and then forget to look for the dude with the piccolo |
| 07:33.23 | Dagmar | I get too carried away seeing how large of a pull I can get away with |
| 07:33.42 | msoul | after that did tank icc25 prof only cause the guild wants to gear their officers only then friends then everyone else :) |
| 07:33.55 | Dagmar | Before they nerfed Corpse Explody, that was one of the best places to use it with the glyph that turned it into a chain reaction |
| 07:33.57 | msoul | Dagmar: i was looking for him only :P |
| 07:34.17 | Dagmar | msoul: Okay I was wondering because some of the latter wings are HARD AS @#$@! |
| 07:34.23 | Dagmar | Even the trash will pound you silly |
| 07:34.46 | msoul | Dagmar: to be honest this is how i feel about icc whether 10 or 25... good cordination would down whatever encounter |
| 07:35.00 | msoul | i had a blast last night when i heard the guild spent over 4 hours on blood queen |
| 07:35.18 | Dagmar | msoul: No seriously. The people I work with are pretty tight, but those latter wings will just crush you without gear |
| 07:35.28 | msoul | it's sad with all the forums/videos that you can check before the encounter and still you fail at doing them |
| 07:35.42 | msoul | Dagmar: true :) |
| 07:35.45 | Dagmar | It's jsut a matter of pure viciousness |
| 07:35.52 | Antiarc | Any of you all play Borderlands? |
| 07:36.04 | Dagmar | Once we got that damn orc under control we went exploring |
| 07:36.04 | Antiarc | I've done a playthrough solo, now looking for someone to party with for my second run through |
| 07:36.21 | msoul | Dagmar: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&cn=Rpbb |
| 07:36.25 | Dagmar | We were pretty shocked at how nasty the trash was. |
| 07:36.30 | msoul | that's my gear getting the belt from vendor tomorrow |
| 07:36.34 | msoul | to boost my hp |
| 07:36.34 | Jerub | msoul: what i meant was, he was pulling 6k dps and was responding saying, "I don't have this trouble with my guild" when we said to watch his threat. |
| 07:36.48 | msoul | Jerub: i see |
| 07:37.08 | Dagmar | Yeah our whole guild is geared out in badged gear or better |
| 07:37.11 | Dagmar | It's still mean in there |
| 07:37.12 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 07:37.30 | Dagmar | Jerub: "25-manitis" |
| 07:37.37 | msoul | i don't get loot cause i am "social" nor get invites for 25 mans now |
| 07:37.49 | msoul | so will leave the guild pretty soon i'd say |
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| 07:38.05 | msoul | we did icc10 the other day to gear their alts |
| 07:38.10 | Dagmar | I dont' really care about gear as much as I do "shinies" |
| 07:38.11 | msoul | the shaman had hairloom weps |
| 07:38.19 | msoul | and i didn't like that |
| 07:38.25 | msoul | so he can jump to 25 man |
| 07:38.44 | msoul | Dagmar: i don't care about loot either... but it's kinda important for tanks :) |
| 07:39.03 | msoul | the easier the4 ecounter for tanks the better it will be for the raiders |
| 07:39.05 | Dagmar | Well, yeah but only if you intend to repeatedly subject yourself to looting drama |
| 07:39.17 | msoul | screw that shit |
| 07:39.33 | Dagmar | I like that I can just click a button and the system can find me four other peopel to keep mobs busy while I shoot them inna face |
| 07:39.37 | harl | wuff |
| 07:39.56 | Jerub | i want a built in tv viewer. |
| 07:40.10 | msoul | Dagmar: most of my gear isn't even 245 ilvl :) |
| 07:40.10 | Dagmar | Jerub: For? |
| 07:40.22 | Jerub | Dagmar: for waiting for a group |
| 07:40.24 | Jerub | :P |
| 07:40.34 | msoul | just shield/mace and a ring i got from icc10 cause no one else needed them |
| 07:40.36 | Jerub | dps queues are too long |
| 07:40.40 | Dagmar | msoul: We've two guys who go and do 25-mans all the time. The rest of us just kinda wait until another smallish guild gets the itch and we go stomp a 10man about once a month |
| 07:40.50 | Jerub | i've started doing the turn volume-up-and-alt-tab |
| 07:41.22 | msoul | Dagmar: u'm trying to find a guild that doesn't gear officers/friends and their alts first then raiders comes last |
| 07:41.28 | Jerub | i nailed a voa25 the other day in starter badge gear the other day :) |
| 07:41.40 | msoul | voa25 is a joke really |
| 07:41.45 | Dagmar | msoul: Good luck on that. It's exactly why I'm not about to jump ship for a raiding guild. This would be my main: http://us.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Skywall&cn=Eshk |
| 07:41.56 | Dagmar | Aside from a couple gems I'm too lazy to buy, he's "done" for now |
| 07:42.02 | Dagmar | I just like killing. :) |
| 07:42.13 | msoul | Dagmar: it's tough i know is why i am considering switching sides to alliance |
| 07:42.29 | Dagmar | Scope it out on your server's forum first I'd suggest |
| 07:42.31 | msoul | might get a better luck there |
| 07:42.58 | Dagmar | I almost wish there were still cattle call guilds around |
| 07:43.01 | msoul | might do that as well |
| 07:43.12 | Dagmar | Not really a problem to get a 25-man going if there's 150 people in the guild |
| 07:43.14 | ZorbaTHut | msoul, you could head for a big server and get into GDKP runs |
| 07:43.31 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: never thought about that |
| 07:43.40 | msoul | Hmmm |
| 07:43.57 | msoul | and to be truthful i am not sure if i understand the GDKP system quite well |
| 07:43.59 | Dagmar | For awhile I was amusing myself by putting my good gear in the bank and queueing LFD |
| 07:44.08 | Dagmar | Now that no longer works *kicksdirt* |
| 07:44.23 | Dagmar | Mind you, I'd put it *on* once I got the invite |
| 07:44.47 | Dagmar | ...but for awhile it was hilarious to get an LFD PUG with people who are still in greens/blues |
| 07:44.47 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: My problem is i still haven't found a decent guild that doesn't gear closest ppl/friends/alts etc |
| 07:44.54 | Jerub | Dagmar: that doesn't work? |
| 07:45.11 | Dagmar | Jerub: It didn't the last two times I tried it. I still wound up with a bunch of GS>4k people |
| 07:45.27 | msoul | all do the same.. only 5 guilds are decent the rest gear/ninja/disband and new name new guild etc etc |
| 07:45.35 | Dagmar | There's still all these people who just barely grouped up to 80 |
| 07:45.38 | Jerub | msoul: GDKP works like this: if you don't get any gear you get gold. if you get gear it costs gold. |
| 07:46.09 | ZorbaTHut | msoul, they do exist |
| 07:46.11 | Dagmar | I half wish there was a mentoring system |
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| 07:46.18 | msoul | and those 5 guilds doesn't recruit you unless you have experience with icc25 and "good" gear/GS you can't do toc25 without 5500gs and up these days |
| 07:46.21 | ZorbaTHut | but you've gotta hunt for 'em |
| 07:46.24 | Dagmar | Once or twice I've gotten into LFD groups with another hunter |
| 07:46.32 | ZorbaTHut | GDKP is basically using gold as a DKP bidding system |
| 07:46.41 | Fisker | i could kill you ZorbaTHut |
| 07:46.42 | ZorbaTHut | at the end of the run, all the "spent" "DKP" is divided among all the players. |
| 07:46.56 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: o i see |
| 07:47.01 | msoul | i have only 10k now :( |
| 07:47.08 | ZorbaTHut | 50,000 gold spent on drops raid-wide, congrats, you just made 2k from raiding |
| 07:47.10 | Dagmar | I'm only at 8k because of those pets |
| 07:47.23 | msoul | besides it's kinda wrong to buy loot |
| 07:47.34 | Dagmar | WEll, I dunno |
| 07:47.41 | Dagmar | When it's just a straight cash purchase, I'd agree |
| 07:47.44 | msoul | actually the second guild on my realm did sell ulduar mount |
| 07:47.50 | ZorbaTHut | that's sorta the point, you're not really buying it |
| 07:47.59 | Dagmar | ...but if you're going in there as a guild and you're just using gold instead of "points" it's a bit different |
| 07:48.00 | ZorbaTHut | you're just using gold as a trading mechanism to figure out who gets the item |
| 07:48.18 | ZorbaTHut | it's a bidding mechanism with a currency that everyone can agree is valuable |
| 07:48.29 | Dagmar | If by Z's example you did 5-6 raids with some guys like that and something you wanted dropped, you'd have the 10k to bid on it |
| 07:48.55 | ZorbaTHut | it's very convenient for non-guild runs, for example, since it's not like you can get 25 random people together and have "dkp" mean anything. |
| 07:49.02 | Dagmar | Yeah exactly |
| 07:49.12 | msoul | I see |
| 07:49.39 | msoul | Don't think i'd ever do it though :) not that i don't want to spend/bid gold |
| 07:49.59 | Dagmar | msoul: The value of it _to you_ would change tho, if you were being handed a grand or two after a run |
| 07:50.07 | msoul | like to be in a guild that everyone committed to the guild |
| 07:50.14 | Dagmar | ...and basically, there's ways to make money just by doing stuff |
| 07:50.32 | msoul | ulduar runs costs 10 per player whoever wanted to get the mount |
| 07:50.55 | Dagmar | I sold a crapload of Lil Smokies last week for about 3k in total. That was three hours of pounding Silithus and Un'Goro |
| 07:51.22 | msoul | dunno, atm i am trying to save some gold for cata |
| 07:51.31 | Dagmar | If I actually gave a hoot anymore, I could still be doing 300g+ a day just from making epic leatherworking goods without even leaving the auction house |
| 07:51.44 | msoul | hehe |
| 07:51.54 | msoul | will focus on AH more i think |
| 07:51.57 | Dagmar | Hell that's how I paid for the mechgineer's chopper |
| 07:51.58 | ZorbaTHut | remember that when cata hits, (1) you'll be getting money from leveling, (2) you'll be getting more money than you did in wrath, (3) if you level up fast there will be a bunch of incredibly valuable items (like Earth Orbs or whatever they'll be called) |
| 07:52.02 | msoul | JC/Alchemist/BS and miner |
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| 07:52.23 | Dagmar | Oh you can make gems and consumables? |
| 07:52.29 | Dagmar | Money will not be a problem for you in Cata |
| 07:52.32 | ZorbaTHut | level your miner up first and you'll be rolling in dough in Cataclysm :) |
| 07:52.37 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: sounds great :) |
| 07:52.50 | Dagmar | Yeah new metals will be worth sick money |
| 07:53.00 | msoul | Dagmar: yeah i maxed mining in one day was painful |
| 07:53.08 | msoul | especially in vanilla content |
| 07:53.12 | Dagmar | ...just because there will invariably be some guys with a LOT of money who will buy the hell out of ores |
| 07:53.34 | msoul | and leveling paladins re4ally slowly now with herbalism/insc |
| 07:53.38 | Dagmar | All you're doing is trading small amounts of your time (because you can go back and mine some more if you need mats) for large piles of their impatience in the form of gold |
| 07:53.47 | msoul | not bad professions :P |
| 07:54.04 | msoul | stopped too many chars at 40 and up |
| 07:54.11 | msoul | lock/shaman priest |
| 07:54.32 | Dagmar | This is part of why I'm raising a 'lock now with engineering/mining |
| 07:54.46 | msoul | i love engineering :( |
| 07:54.54 | ZorbaTHut | engineering is awesome. |
| 07:54.57 | Dagmar | I like the bombs |
| 07:54.58 | msoul | indeed |
| 07:55.05 | msoul | not only the great enchant on gloves |
| 07:55.14 | msoul | rocket boots and other stuff are sexeh |
| 07:55.26 | Dagmar | It's just too fun to have a bunch of mobs on the pet soaking in DoTs and then just *BLAM* cobalt bomb them to watch them die all at once. |
| 07:55.51 | msoul | thinking after thew paladin i will continue with the shaman |
| 07:56.01 | Dagmar | I've watched my guild leader eff it up enough to know to leave the poultryizer alone |
| 07:56.08 | msoul | thought of having diff classes that can dps/1 can heal and all can tank |
| 07:56.12 | msoul | pala/dk/war |
| 07:56.40 | Dagmar | Bring up a hunter. :) |
| 07:56.47 | msoul | one day :P |
| 07:57.00 | Dagmar | I tanked all the Northrend instances in normal mode |
| 07:57.02 | msoul | i've got to run now... bbiaw |
| 07:57.09 | msoul | Dagmar: fun stuff :) |
| 07:57.11 | msoul | && |
| 07:57.24 | Dagmar | Monkeys are really good at dodging long-cast frontal attacks, too. :) |
| 07:57.40 | Dagmar | They just walk right through the mob and start hitting them from behind. Heh |
| 07:59.50 | Wobin | rocket boots are awesome on beartanks |
| 07:59.58 | Wobin | nobody -ever- expects to see a bear move that fast |
| 08:00.03 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 08:00.18 | Wobin | They're useful in VH |
| 08:00.30 | Wobin | if you get two of those group portals on opposite ends of the area |
| 08:01.01 | Dagmar | casts Misdirection |
| 08:01.05 | Dagmar | casts Volley |
| 08:01.07 | Dagmar | lol |
| 08:01.35 | Dagmar | Eight seconds later, one less pesky warlock |
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| 08:17.36 | Fisker | casts Dagmar |
| 08:19.45 | Fisker | BAM Dagmar |
| 08:19.48 | Fisker | not what you expected |
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| 08:32.55 | Adys | !api daily |
| 08:32.55 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'daily': QuestIsDaily, GetDailyQuestsCompleted, GetMaxDailyQuests |
| 08:33.02 | Adys | !api questisdaily |
| 08:33.04 | lua_bot | QuestIsDaily: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/QuestIsDaily) |
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| 10:06.06 | zenzio | Cairenn|afk: http://verydemotivational.com/2010/04/04/demotivational-posters-censorship-2/ (TC would like it too) |
| 10:25.32 | batrick | I don't get it |
| 10:25.59 | zenzio | it's a ship, and it's censored |
| 10:26.02 | Adys | batrick: censor ship. |
| 10:26.09 | batrick | ah |
| 10:26.13 | batrick | punny :) |
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| 11:09.45 | zenzio | "So after 15 years (Transport Tycoon Deluxe was released in 1995), open source finally manages to release its first real version of a clone of a commercial product. And people wonder why I have a hard time taking open source seriously." |
| 11:10.24 | zenzio | ... except the first version of OpenTTD was released in 2004, and people didn't bother before that because they could still run the original |
| 11:12.14 | zenzio | "Aside from that? It's still a rip off of someone other guy's work 15 years later. Once again OSS proves that it doesn't have an original thought." - I didn't know Fisker posted on Slashdot |
| 11:12.38 | Wobin | he's a man of many sockpuppets |
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| 11:17.13 | amro | since when is OSS some kind of collective? |
| 11:17.32 | amro | I don't even bother reading slashdigg anymore |
| 11:17.47 | zenzio | it's not as much fun anymore, but there are still gems |
| 11:25.34 | Adys | !api friend |
| 11:25.35 | lua_bot | Found 19 possible matches for 'friend'. Please be more specific |
| 11:25.38 | Adys | fu |
| 11:25.50 | Adys | is there a way to tell whether the player is a RAF? |
| 11:26.31 | Maldivia | hmm, hopefully OpenTTD didn't mimick the original game too much on the multiplayer front |
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| 11:26.52 | zenzio | Maldivia: what, you didn't enjoy the desynchs? |
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| 11:27.08 | zenzio | if you mean those, I believe they fixed them |
| 11:27.09 | Maldivia | !api IsReferAFriendLinked |
| 11:27.09 | lua_bot | IsReferAFriendLinked: Returns whether a unit's account is linked to the player's via the Recruit-a-Friend program (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsReferAFriendLinked) |
| 11:28.00 | Maldivia | zenzio: well, I enjoyed when the game was actually in-sync - a rare rare thing |
| 11:28.43 | zenzio | Maldivia: yeah, we used to try playing TTD in multiplayer. Never lasted long. Haven't tried it in OpenTTD for a while, but I believe my brother plays it a lot with friends, and I haven't heard him complain |
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| 11:30.19 | Adys | Maldivia: tyvm |
| 11:30.20 | Maldivia | zenzio: I remember a time where we had 4 identical computeres set up, just for ttd |
| 11:31.17 | zenzio | I wonder which game I've spent more time in, TTD or WoW |
| 11:31.29 | Maldivia | heh |
| 11:35.31 | Adys | nevcairiel: plannng to get more sane defaults for bartender one day? :P |
| 11:36.35 | nevcairiel | i tried that before, and peopel complained eequally |
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| 11:57.09 | haste | lol wut |
| 11:57.17 | haste | someone driving on the sidewalk outside here |
| 11:57.30 | zenzio | Fisker is finally trying to kill you |
| 11:57.36 | haste | seems like it |
| 12:04.08 | Fisker | damn terrorists |
| 12:04.15 | Fisker | i got a zhevra haste |
| 12:04.16 | Fisker | it's legit |
| 12:04.22 | Fisker | i'm the prime minister of britain! |
| 12:04.25 | Fisker | sweeeeeeeeeet |
| 12:04.57 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Fiskerdin&gn=HottieHamsters <-yeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 12:08.10 | zenzio | looks around suspiciously, trying to locate Horatio |
| 12:08.28 | Fisker | i'm on a horse |
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| 13:13.14 | zenzio | snuggles Lopeppeppy viciously |
| 13:13.21 | Lopeppeppy | *squeeeee* |
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| 13:23.07 | Fisker | i'm the prime minister of britain |
| 13:23.14 | Fisker | what about you Lopeppeppy ? |
| 13:25.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'm the Duchess of Aquitane. |
| 13:26.00 | Lopeppeppy | At least, that was my title once. |
| 13:26.13 | zenzio | Aquitane? |
| 13:26.44 | Lopeppeppy | Tsk tsk, do you not know your French/English history, zenzio? |
| 13:26.56 | Lopeppeppy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:France_1154_Eng.jpg |
| 13:27.01 | zenzio | nope. Is it something big/famous? |
| 13:27.12 | Lopeppeppy | It was. Oh, it so very was. |
| 13:28.05 | zenzio | hm, that does not look like something they bother teaching in Norwegian schools |
| 13:28.09 | zenzio | too foreign |
| 13:28.16 | Lopeppeppy | tsk tsk. |
| 13:28.58 | Fisker | i want my fermi now zenzio |
| 13:29.01 | Fisker | why haven't i gotten it? |
| 13:29.17 | Fisker | ~8ball do i get my Fermi today? |
| 13:29.17 | purl | Yes. |
| 13:29.21 | Fisker | lies :( |
| 13:29.23 | Fisker | ~8ball do i get my Fermi tomorrow |
| 13:29.24 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 13:29.27 | Fisker | ~8ball do i get my Fermi tomorrow? |
| 13:29.28 | purl | Yes. |
| 13:29.34 | Fisker | i hope so! |
| 13:30.14 | Elkano | ~8ball will it be broken |
| 13:30.15 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 13:30.31 | zenzio | lol |
| 13:30.39 | Elkano | [nelson] Ha Ha [/nelson] |
| 13:35.58 | Fisker | ~8ball Broken in a way that it has better thermals and reativated cuda cores? |
| 13:35.59 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 13:36.18 | Fisker | ~8ball Will my Fermi be broken in a way that it has better thermals and reativated cuda cores? |
| 13:36.19 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 13:36.24 | Fisker | ;( |
| 13:37.30 | Fisker | cancer Elkano |
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| 13:52.42 | Lopeppeppy | *hummy hum hum murder the internets hum* |
| 13:53.14 | zenzio | why so? |
| 13:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | Some interesting link-clicking issues today. |
| 13:54.21 | zenzio | clearly you need a spin on cat-roulette: http://www.holytaco.com/cat-roulette |
| 13:56.52 | industrial | :'D |
| 13:57.51 | industrial | http://chatroulettebingo.net/ |
| 13:57.56 | industrial | Lopeppeppy: go! |
| 13:58.25 | Lopeppeppy | oh dear. |
| 14:00.06 | olafski | lol |
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| 14:09.32 | Fisker | slaps industrial around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:11.07 | industrial | I prefer beef industrial |
| 14:11.14 | industrial | er, Fisker |
| 14:11.22 | industrial | confused much :D? |
| 14:11.33 | industrial | Fisker: stop confusing me! |
| 14:11.34 | Fisker | i'm not |
| 14:12.12 | Fisker | i want my fermi and my rocket |
| 14:13.01 | Lopeppeppy | Mine. |
| 14:13.02 | Lopeppeppy | All mine. |
| 14:13.19 | Adys | Poll to bug tracking software users |
| 14:13.43 | Adys | What's better: Inline, flat comments, or digg-style reply-to comments? |
| 14:13.45 | industrial | Fisker: you can have my rocket... |
| 14:13.50 | industrial | thats what she said! |
| 14:13.51 | industrial | wait, what? |
| 14:14.48 | Fisker | no! |
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| 14:18.42 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:19.29 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi |
| 14:21.49 | Fisker | slaps kneeki around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:22.03 | kneeki | tasty |
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| 14:54.24 | DWSR | Big news today on the Cata front. |
| 14:54.27 | DWSR | Can't wait for tomorrow. |
| 14:57.04 | DWSR | Can anyone please explain to me why the hell druids won't/can't dispel diseases as the guardians of nature? |
| 14:57.55 | zenzelezz | it is a conundrum |
| 14:58.12 | zenzelezz | I'm actually pretty excited about the rage changes; hope they work as well as they plan |
| 14:59.19 | olafski | mmmm.. new flying mount for RAF =( |
| 15:03.02 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, we came up with an "RP excuse" a long time ago, but the real reason is "game balance". |
| 15:04.49 | Fisker | the question isn't why, but why game balance? :3 |
| 15:06.20 | kneeki | I"m desperate for the soul shard change :( |
| 15:06.40 | Fisker | i'm desperate for banning locks |
| 15:07.13 | kneeki | I spent the first 2 minutes of lich king fight (where we actually succeded in killing him) just gathering shards... |
| 15:07.28 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: So just shuffle the balance around. |
| 15:07.32 | DWSR | http://g4tv.com/videos/45101/The-MMO-Report-Thursday-April-1st/ <-- WIN @ the mail section. |
| 15:08.12 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Why not swap druids and paladins in terms of dispel mechanics? |
| 15:11.19 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: ping |
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| 15:13.25 | Lopeppeppy | Suggestion forum is thataway, go tell 'em. |
| 15:13.30 | Cide | Adys, ping |
| 15:13.32 | msoul | Finally did the faction change |
| 15:13.46 | Fisker | are you getting a rocket DWSR ? |
| 15:13.51 | msoul | might take several days :( |
| 15:13.57 | DWSR | Been thinking about it. |
| 15:14.01 | DWSR | Have to have a reason to get another account though |
| 15:15.10 | olafski | the rocket is the reason |
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| 15:15.31 | DWSR | yeah, good point. :P |
| 15:15.42 | DWSR | How much is a basic copy of WoW? |
| 15:15.57 | kneeki | DWSR: free I think |
| 15:16.04 | kneeki | I believe WalMart just hands them up |
| 15:16.13 | msoul | to mexicans |
| 15:16.24 | olafski | http://www.mmo-champion.com/raids-dungeons/dps-vs-dmg-done/msg2447968/#msg2447968 :( |
| 15:17.11 | industrial | I've been making the same joke all day |
| 15:17.19 | kneeki | I'm not a fan of the mmo-champ forums |
| 15:17.22 | industrial | You can mount my rocket! |
| 15:17.26 | industrial | \:D/ |
| 15:17.27 | kneeki | Too many internet bullies there. |
| 15:17.39 | olafski | this is an interesting bully though |
| 15:17.50 | Kaso | s/mmo-champ forums/most forums/ |
| 15:18.00 | olafski | "wts grammar proof ur shit before u post" |
| 15:18.21 | msoul | YOU'RE NOT UR! :p |
| 15:18.30 | olafski | your, not you're |
| 15:18.32 | olafski | but yeah |
| 15:18.38 | msoul | was kidding hehe |
| 15:18.50 | olafski | writing an ~8 line post just because someone said 400,000k instead of 400k, when everybody else clearly understood what he meant |
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| 15:19.33 | msoul | olafski: i read forums only if i need to know something about a talent/glyph etc |
| 15:19.41 | msoul | not write comments etc is just pointless |
| 15:19.52 | msoul | as everyone will act like god-like in game |
| 15:20.24 | olafski | indeed |
| 15:20.25 | msoul | even in-game players :/ |
| 15:20.30 | olafski | I don't have an account on those forums =) |
| 15:20.31 | msoul | i still remember swifty's vid |
| 15:20.50 | msoul | when he did beat that rogue, he was higher rated and started to complain instead of saying gg |
| 15:22.15 | msoul | Hope that faction change does work today |
| 15:22.27 | kneeki | Speaking of, is anyone here an mmo-champ forum admin? |
| 15:22.28 | msoul | i lost the excitement of doing stuff in wow |
| 15:25.29 | DWSR | wtf is TSG for 3v3? |
| 15:25.35 | DWSR | Arms warrior, unholy DK, holy paladin? |
| 15:25.45 | kneeki | msoul: You killing Lich King? |
| 15:26.15 | msoul | kneeki: don't make me start on wotlk... LK was out today week later down |
| 15:26.19 | Adys | Cide: pong |
| 15:26.37 | msoul | i believe things weren't that easy with tbc etc |
| 15:26.52 | kneeki | I find WoW still very exiciting =) |
| 15:26.53 | Cide | I hear you're being slow at updating LK heroic weapons |
| 15:26.59 | Adys | idk |
| 15:27.05 | Adys | fixing something else atm |
| 15:27.06 | Cide | STEP IT UP |
| 15:27.06 | msoul | kneeki: my problem is with players |
| 15:27.11 | Adys | and writing a bugtracker |
| 15:27.20 | kneeki | msoul: Ah, yeah. I know how that can be. |
| 15:27.21 | msoul | kneeki: said it eaelier actually |
| 15:27.33 | kneeki | It took the wife and I quite awhile to find a guild we didn't dispise |
| 15:27.34 | Cide | you are writing a bugtracker |
| 15:27.37 | Cide | when there is trac |
| 15:27.39 | Cide | fail |
| 15:27.57 | msoul | last time i raided was icc10.. ppl go afk for 10-15 minutes.. dps with 2 hairlooms weps |
| 15:28.22 | msoul | kneeki: i am still having that problem hence me doing this faction change |
| 15:28.33 | Adys | Cide: "Why would you make pasta when you can eat your own feces"? |
| 15:28.45 | Adys | trac is fucking terrible |
| 15:28.47 | kneeki | msoul: What did you change over to? |
| 15:28.51 | Cide | I know it is |
| 15:28.55 | Adys | every damn bugtracker is terrible |
| 15:29.04 | Cide | but it doesn't take 100's of hours to setup |
| 15:29.08 | Cide | unlike your own solution |
| 15:29.29 | Adys | Who says my solution takes 100 hours to setup? |
| 15:29.37 | msoul | kneeki: I play as a troll warrior "tank" will be human warrior for its stats and zenzio brought that 10 deplomacy thing for reps |
| 15:29.44 | msoul | which made it more attractive to me |
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| 15:31.19 | kneeki | msoul: Hrm... The wife and I have played alliance twice, on two different servers, both end game content each time; we found one out of many guilds that had decent people in it. With just her and my experiences, there seemed to be a lot more useless drama on Alliance side. By no means is all alliance guilds/players this way; but we were horribly unimpressed. |
| 15:31.46 | kneeki | Horde has it's fair share as well of course. But we've experienced it less times |
| 15:31.53 | kneeki | Also, don't pug. |
| 15:31.55 | DWSR | kneeki: Most younger kids roll human. |
| 15:31.58 | DWSR | human paladin |
| 15:32.03 | DWSR | human *female* paladin. |
| 15:32.05 | msoul | kneeki: i dispise pugs |
| 15:32.09 | kneeki | Pugs are like, the dredge of society |
| 15:32.09 | DWSR | ^ |
| 15:32.34 | DWSR | I pug with people I know from another guild, but I don't think that's a pug in the truest sense. |
| 15:32.44 | msoul | kneeki: horde side on kazzak is painful... can't stand someone with no pubic hair tells everyone to shut the fuck up |
| 15:32.52 | msoul | on vent |
| 15:33.00 | kneeki | mute/vent kick them |
| 15:33.02 | kneeki | Is what I do |
| 15:33.03 | msoul | left that horrible guild |
| 15:33.23 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:33.30 | DWSR | You've obviously never had a megalomaniac for a guild leader. |
| 15:33.33 | kneeki | When I apply to guilds, I make sure to get on vent with them while they are raiding and just listen to the way everyone speaks to one another, even if I'm not in the raid. |
| 15:33.36 | msoul | so far 4 guilds only 1 was "okie" with drama ofc |
| 15:33.44 | msoul | they disbanded when i was away "moved to a newer place" |
| 15:34.30 | msoul | kneeki: with the last guild the GM was saying "if we don't down him now i am going to take a walk not going to waste my time on retards" |
| 15:34.48 | kneeki | lol |
| 15:34.49 | msoul | they dps was failing a lot and i mean ALOT |
| 15:35.07 | DWSR | msoul: While the comment is unneccessary, that's a fairly mature attitude to take, tbh. |
| 15:35.12 | kneeki | We're currently having that problem in our guild. The SAME people keep failing on Vampire Queen and Sindragosa 25 man |
| 15:35.15 | msoul | they ask me to speak on vent my respond always i rarely talk |
| 15:35.18 | kneeki | causing the raid to wipe |
| 15:35.19 | DWSR | msoul: There really is not point wiping for something for 1+ hours. |
| 15:35.28 | kneeki | DWSR: Lich King. |
| 15:35.38 | msoul | kneeki: they spent over 4 hours on een yesterday |
| 15:35.59 | kneeki | DWSR: We spent numerous raid days 4 hours each just learning and practising that encounter. It was well worth it :) |
| 15:36.05 | msoul | DWSR: personally i don't mind wiping but if you understand something of each fight why ou died so early etc |
| 15:36.16 | msoul | but doing the same mistake over and over is just silly |
| 15:36.22 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.28 | kneeki | Not spreading out for the fear = bad |
| 15:36.30 | kneeki | bad bad bad |
| 15:36.34 | msoul | remember thaddius in naxx? how hard can it be when a raid leader says ++++---- |
| 15:36.42 | kneeki | lolol |
| 15:36.45 | msoul | kneeki: i wasn't there |
| 15:36.48 | msoul | on queen fight |
| 15:36.54 | msoul | was questiong and doing stuff |
| 15:36.58 | msoul | questing |
| 15:37.00 | kneeki | +++++------- looking at him now, or when we are there lookign at the door!??!?! |
| 15:37.11 | msoul | and made my decision on moving to allies side earlier |
| 15:37.17 | msoul | hahahaha |
| 15:37.18 | kneeki | Ah gawd the tank didn't hit the space bar |
| 15:37.41 | kneeki | msoul: I hope Alli works out a bit better for you than horde |
| 15:37.54 | msoul | kneeki: hoping |
| 15:38.05 | msoul | i play on eu realms btw |
| 15:38.59 | msoul | one thing, cat will hit the shelves this sep or nov somewhere there so now just make some gold quest level a nother char etc etc :) |
| 15:39.08 | msoul | wouldn't hurt to raid ofc |
| 15:40.24 | msoul | how come i can still play with this char even if i did the faction change? thought it would be locked or some such |
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| 15:42.15 | kneeki | msoul: Uhm, you shouldn't be able to |
| 15:42.27 | msoul | that's what i thought |
| 15:42.34 | kneeki | It locked the char for us when we were changing, unable to play until the change was done |
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| 15:43.02 | msoul | hmmm |
| 15:43.02 | msoul | i froze my acc few days ago |
| 15:43.05 | msoul | does it matter? |
| 15:43.21 | msoul | like i hav time until next month 3rd i think |
| 15:43.23 | msoul | have |
| 15:43.30 | msoul | not sure if it matters |
| 15:43.32 | DWSR | msoul: Once the faction change is complete, you can play the character until you click the change button. |
| 15:43.58 | msoul | DWSR: It's not complete and i can enter the realm if i want to |
| 15:45.56 | kneeki | msoul: Oh |
| 15:46.09 | kneeki | msoul: That's normal. They wont lock it until a certain phase of the transfer |
| 15:46.17 | kneeki | twoards the end |
| 15:46.23 | msoul | kneeki: i did pay for the transfer |
| 15:46.35 | msoul | i just canceled my payment method |
| 15:46.43 | kneeki | msoul: The end on blizzards side |
| 15:46.56 | msoul | ah |
| 15:47.32 | msoul | if not today hopefully tomorrow... will get the tanking belt from vendor by tomorrow missing 2 emblems |
| 15:47.49 | msoul | got shield/mace/ring from icc10 and the friendly ring with ashen |
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| 15:48.05 | msoul | feet crafted the rest t9 and craftable items ilvl 245 |
| 15:48.12 | msoul | feet ilvl 265 |
| 15:48.38 | msoul | maintenance day is tomorrow too |
| 15:49.50 | zenzelezz | why are you making a faction change if you cancelled your subscription? |
| 15:50.36 | msoul | zenzelezz: cause i'd want to change my paymewnt method not with visa atleast :) |
| 15:50.56 | zenzelezz | how come? |
| 15:51.28 | kneeki | Blegh, youtube seems so slow for me today |
| 15:52.06 | kneeki | Hrm, it's slow on an embedded page but not on the youtube.com site. Weird |
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| 16:07.57 | Adys | Shirik: |
| 16:07.59 | Adys | The Intel Application Binary Interface is a computer programming standard that most compilers and languages follow.[citation needed] |
| 16:08.00 | Adys | fail |
| 16:08.33 | Shirik | page? |
| 16:11.16 | Shirik | ~faildys |
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| 16:11.59 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 16:12.00 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 16:12.31 | Shirik | lol http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=354341386&oldid=354194529 |
| 16:12.53 | Shirik | I like how he was kind enough to say "its" instead of the typical "his" |
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| 16:14.16 | Adys | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_calling_conventions |
| 16:15.14 | Shirik | fixed. |
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| 16:24.31 | Shirik | yay, my tool works |
| 16:24.39 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=354343109&oldid=354342921 |
| 16:24.41 | Shirik | I = winrar |
| 16:25.24 | nevcairiel | you are a sucky compression application? |
| 16:25.28 | Lunessa | http://failblog.org/2010/04/03/epic-fail-photos-parking-fail-14/ - how does this even happen? Seriously. |
| 16:26.03 | nevcairiel | photoshop |
| 16:26.06 | nevcairiel | doubt thats possible :P |
| 16:26.11 | Shirik | agree with nevcairiel |
| 16:26.18 | Lunessa | It HAS to be shopped. |
| 16:26.44 | Shirik | but I have a worse parking job |
| 16:28.50 | Shirik | bleh I can't find it atm |
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| 16:35.29 | Lunessa | alas Shirik, alas. |
| 16:35.36 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:37.26 | DWSR | Alas, poor Shirik. I knew him well. |
| 16:38.10 | Shirik | ... |
| 16:44.13 | foxlit | a fellow of infinite fail? |
| 16:45.33 | Shirik | I made fellow? |
| 16:46.02 | foxlit | Unfortunately, the word has many meanings. |
| 16:46.06 | foxlit | So no, no you haven't :( |
| 16:46.33 | Shirik | :( |
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| 17:00.51 | Shirik | ~dict modern |
| 17:01.01 | Shirik | "Just now" |
| 17:01.08 | Shirik | "Present time" |
| 17:01.17 | Shirik | So how the hell do we have "post-modern architecture" |
| 17:01.25 | Shirik | did we invent time travel? |
| 17:01.57 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 17:01.59 | Lopeppeppy | You'll see. |
| 17:02.09 | Shirik | awesome |
| 17:02.28 | foxlit | Shirik: clearly, by the time you've read it, "just now" became "just then" |
| 17:02.29 | Adys | Cide: stupid question |
| 17:02.35 | Adys | raise Exception or raise Exception() ? |
| 17:02.41 | Cide | either works |
| 17:02.41 | Shirik | raise Exception |
| 17:02.44 | Shirik | because you're using C++ |
| 17:02.46 | Adys | I know either works |
| 17:02.52 | Adys | but I'm asking what's best practice |
| 17:02.55 | Cide | the former if you're not passing in any arguments |
| 17:03.07 | Cide | the effect is the same however |
| 17:03.15 | Adys | I know the effect is the same :P |
| 17:03.24 | Cide | so save some hard drive space GOD |
| 17:03.25 | Adys | and assuming i dont want any arg |
| 17:03.31 | Adys | YOU'RE RIGHT OMG |
| 17:03.33 | Shirik | I don't think you get it Adys |
| 17:03.33 | Cide | then drop the parentheses |
| 17:03.38 | Shirik | everyone wants to be like C++ |
| 17:03.40 | Adys | 30.4 GiB left |
| 17:03.42 | Shirik | so use `raise Exception` |
| 17:03.46 | Cide | psh Shirik |
| 17:03.50 | Adys | `Shirik` |
| 17:03.51 | Shirik | not `raise Exception()` which would be illegal in C++ |
| 17:03.54 | Adys | `you`re `gay` |
| 17:04.07 | Cide | so would `raise Exception` |
| 17:04.22 | Shirik | not if you #define raise throw new |
| 17:04.34 | Cide | what about #define () |
| 17:04.42 | Shirik | illegal identifier name |
| 17:04.49 | Cide | it has to be an identifier? |
| 17:04.52 | Cide | weak |
| 17:04.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:05.04 | Shirik | here Cide, pop quiz |
| 17:05.10 | Shadowed | for 10 points |
| 17:05.14 | Adys | pops Shirik |
| 17:05.17 | DWSR | FUFUFUFUFUFUFU |
| 17:05.19 | Shirik | # is the stringizing operator in C/C++'s preprocessor |
| 17:05.35 | Adys | you know Shirik |
| 17:05.36 | Shirik | that is, if you have #define STRINGIZE(x) #x |
| 17:05.40 | Adys | in python |
| 17:05.42 | Shirik | STRINGIZE(Foo) becomes "Foo" |
| 17:05.54 | Adys | you can do #define : {} |
| 17:06.03 | Shirik | how do you turn __LINE__ which is the current line number into a string? |
| 17:06.29 | zenzelezz | real coders don't need line numbers |
| 17:06.34 | Shadowed | or line breaks |
| 17:06.41 | Adys | or text files |
| 17:06.46 | foxlit | or code. |
| 17:06.49 | zenzelezz | you're right |
| 17:06.51 | DWSR | Just butterflies |
| 17:06.51 | Cide | I'm going to guess #(__LINE__) |
| 17:07.11 | Shirik | #define STRINGIZE(x) #x |
| 17:07.18 | Shirik | #define STRINGIFY(x) STRINGIZE(x) |
| 17:07.22 | Shirik | STRINGIFY(__LINE__) |
| 17:07.35 | Shirik | stupidest crap ever |
| 17:07.46 | Adys | hey |
| 17:07.48 | Adys | Cide |
| 17:07.48 | Shirik | because #__LINE__ becomes "__LINE__" |
| 17:07.57 | Shirik | #(__LINE__) becomes "(__LINE__)" |
| 17:08.11 | Adys | return qs.filter(reduce(operator_or, [Q(**{"%s__icontains" % (field_name): bit}) for field_name in cls.search_fields])) |
| 17:08.18 | Cide | fun stuff |
| 17:08.19 | DWSR | You can't just do #__LINE__ ? |
| 17:08.21 | Shirik | what the fuck |
| 17:08.25 | Shirik | Adys |
| 17:08.27 | Shirik | get that out |
| 17:08.32 | Adys | unzips |
| 17:08.32 | Shirik | DWSR: (13:07:42) (@Shirik) because #__LINE__ becomes "__LINE__" |
| 17:08.36 | Cide | django ftw |
| 17:08.45 | Adys | reduce() ftw |
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| 17:09.14 | Shirik | reduce(Adys) |
| 17:09.29 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 17:09.30 | Shirik | sorry |
| 17:09.33 | Shirik | \treduce(Adys |
| 17:09.33 | Adys | you know |
| 17:09.34 | Shirik | ) |
| 17:10.01 | Adys | i think i could probably sum every python file in a couple of lines of list comprehension |
| 17:10.25 | Shirik | I think gzip was invented for python |
| 17:10.34 | Shirik | because of all the required whitespace |
| 17:10.49 | Adys | hey |
| 17:10.50 | Adys | Cide |
| 17:10.53 | Adys | print "".join(['<span style="color:blue">Entry #%i</span> (%s): %s<br/>' % (id, new[id]["name_enus"], ", ".join(['<span style="color:blue">%s</span> changed from <b>%s</b> to <b>%s</b>' % (column, old[id][column], new[id][column]) for column in old[id].dict() if column != "_reclen" and column in new[id].structure.column_names and old[id][column] != new[id][column]])) for id in old.keys() if id in new and new[id] != old[id]]) |
| 17:10.59 | Shirik | .................................................... |
| 17:11.11 | Shadowed | get out |
| 17:11.19 | Thunder_Child | i hate you zenzio |
| 17:11.25 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 17:11.35 | Adys | Shirik: (`< ...................... |
| 17:13.08 | Shirik | Thunder_Child |
| 17:13.15 | Shirik | $2,523.96is yourAvailable credit |
| 17:13.23 | Adys | Shirik |
| 17:13.30 | Adys | (`< .. (`-) .. (`< .. (`-) .. (`< .. (`-) .. (`< .... |
| 17:13.38 | Adys | IT'S PACMAN RUN |
| 17:14.07 | Shirik | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 17:14.14 | Shirik | http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/680103-USA/Canon_2751B002_EF_70_200mm_f_2_8L_IS.html |
| 17:14.16 | Shirik | Please note: Online ordering is temporarily unavailable until Tuesday 8:45 PM EDT. Feel free to browse our site and add items to your cart or wishlist. We apologize for the inconvenience and appreciate your patronage. |
| 17:14.17 | Shirik | cruel |
| 17:14.19 | Shirik | CRUEL |
| 17:15.11 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. Have to wait for your toys. |
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| 17:15.42 | Adys | Fisker: you cant claim the zhevra until the first free month has passed |
| 17:15.57 | Adys | it doesn't detect that you have actually purchased months of playtime |
| 17:16.20 | Fisker | you can |
| 17:16.26 | Adys | how? :P |
| 17:16.33 | Fisker | you just have to think beyond the boundaries of the human mind |
| 17:16.38 | Fisker | gamecards |
| 17:16.51 | Adys | that thing that's not sold anywhere in greece? |
| 17:16.52 | Adys | yeah. |
| 17:16.56 | Fisker | Recurring subscriptions are never billed until you enter the cycle |
| 17:17.01 | Fisker | eu.blizzard.com/store |
| 17:17.05 | Fisker | gamecards are added instantly |
| 17:17.30 | Adys | uh, it's not recurring |
| 17:18.07 | Adys | how does a digital code get sold out. |
| 17:18.16 | Fisker | any kind of credit card transaction then Adys |
| 17:18.22 | Fisker | Someone threw out the code generator i guess |
| 17:18.39 | Adys | well, thanks |
| 17:18.43 | Adys | ill check it out tomorrow |
| 17:19.10 | Fisker | anyway it's pretty obvious |
| 17:20.40 | Fisker | Because the Gamecard is prepaid it is entered into the system immediately, applied and discarded, when you pay with a creditcard it obviously won't be billed until your free month is up, and it's not until Blizzard cashes in you get to claim the mount |
| 17:20.40 | Shadowed | as much as I hate to say this |
| 17:20.40 | Shadowed | Fisker is right |
| 17:20.40 | Fisker | should i hope that Western Digital sends back a 600GB Velociraptor in exchange? |
| 17:20.40 | Shadowed | Gamecard is what I used to get the mount originally without waiting 30 days |
| 17:20.52 | Adys | yeah well i never use gamecards so :P |
| 17:20.58 | Adys | also |
| 17:21.04 | Adys | getting a new external hd |
| 17:21.10 | Adys | need 1-1.5tb minimum |
| 17:21.15 | Fisker | Western Digital! |
| 17:21.16 | Fisker | :D |
| 17:21.18 | Adys | thinking about a wd mybook, any other suggestion? |
| 17:21.32 | DWSR | Adys: You looking for something portable? |
| 17:22.10 | Adys | not really, just an external one |
| 17:22.21 | Adys | i dont move that much, but when i do i'd like to be able to carry it |
| 17:22.45 | DWSR | weee graphics card crash. |
| 17:23.09 | DWSR | Only thing I hate about WD is the shit they make you install to turn off the virtual CD. |
| 17:23.25 | Adys | the what? |
| 17:23.34 | DWSR | My drive came with a "virtual CD drive" |
| 17:23.46 | DWSR | I have no idea why, or what the point is. |
| 17:24.11 | Adys | shrug |
| 17:24.19 | DWSR | But I had to install a firmware update and then another piece of software in order to turn it off. |
| 17:24.34 | DWSR | Which then also turns off the ability to encrypt the drive using the built in software. |
| 17:24.43 | DWSR | So I formatted the shit out of it and just Truecrypted the whole drive. |
| 17:24.49 | Fisker | i like cisco |
| 17:25.08 | Fisker | being the good samaritan i was i used the following device CD, figuring it would install something neat |
| 17:25.28 | Fisker | So it installed some shitty network monitoring app which i saw it doing so i cancelled it |
| 17:25.53 | Fisker | Apparently they haven't heard of reverting installations so i just got this half piece of software and drivers installed messing up my system |
| 17:25.59 | Fisker | And nomatter what i couldn't remove it |
| 17:26.42 | Fisker | until i finally found some app to make it look like it was uninstalled, then reinstalled it, then had to find the WMI installer in some obscure temp directory and then right-clicked it and pressed uninstall and then crashed |
| 17:26.47 | Fisker | but it was gone! |
| 17:28.13 | Fisker | So that's the last time i obey the sticker on any product! |
| 17:28.28 | DWSR | US realms coming up. |
| 17:28.51 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 17:28.52 | Shirik | hi |
| 17:30.32 | Lopeppeppy | you read a sticker? |
| 17:30.48 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:30.48 | Fisker | hey |
| 17:31.09 | Fisker | i was naive Lopeppeppy! |
| 17:31.21 | Lunessa | I don't read stickers unless they are on bumpers or cleverly placed over female anatomy. |
| 17:31.35 | Fisker | am i getting my fermi tomorrow Shirik ? |
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| 17:32.55 | Dashkal | om nom nom class information. Bonus: My two mains are in the first two days. |
| 17:33.17 | alestane | of what? |
| 17:33.25 | DWSR | Dashkal: Yeah, me too. |
| 17:33.36 | DWSR | Warlock/DK winwin |
| 17:33.45 | Dashkal | Heh, same classes for me |
| 17:33.53 | alestane | Oh, that class information. |
| 17:34.03 | Dashkal | Mind you, with the warrior rage issues being delt with, I'm, now seriously looking at that class for cata. |
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| 17:34.22 | alestane | I thought you meant your principle classes of the semester were on the first two days of the week. But then I teach. |
| 17:34.30 | Dashkal | :P |
| 17:34.31 | Dashkal | I |
| 17:34.45 | Dashkal | I'm not a student atm. I intend to fix that once things are more stable |
| 17:34.58 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12947162145&sid=1 <-wat |
| 17:35.05 | DWSR | Dashkal: Meh, I don't know. |
| 17:35.12 | DWSR | Dashkal: I'm reserving judgement for the actual final product. |
| 17:35.18 | DWSR | Rage has been fucking broken since BC. |
| 17:35.29 | alestane | "you can appeal the very likely forthcoming forum ban here: " |
| 17:35.33 | Dashkal | Well, If I manage to nab a beta slot, I'll be rolling one there to play around with it. |
| 17:35.44 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 17:36.03 | alestane | I often find myself topped out, actually, but then I'm full fury. |
| 17:36.04 | Lunessa | *sigh* I hate being told that having forms in PDF is a huge inconvenience, and that we should just mail people paper forms for everything. |
| 17:36.26 | alestane | They're insane, Lunessa. |
| 17:36.34 | Lunessa | Yes. They are. |
| 17:36.53 | Dashkal | I haven't seriously tried it since vanilla. Time to give it another shot. Figures that I'd be interested in another plate wearer, though |
| 17:36.56 | alestane | I love being able to print out completed forms or create new pre-completed PDFs. |
| 17:37.03 | Lunessa | This is what happens when someone who teaches "art" refuses to keep up with technology for the last 35 years. |
| 17:37.07 | Fisker | it sucks though alestane |
| 17:37.21 | Fisker | that guy should be banned and banned and banned and banned then banned and banned then banned again |
| 17:37.45 | Fisker | persons like that deserve absolutely no help, unfortunately they probably still will |
| 17:37.48 | Lunessa | The only thing I can't do with my PDF forms right now is digital signatures, and that's because we don't have the infrastructure, not because Adobe doesn't support them. |
| 17:38.25 | Fisker | i'd want to work for Blizzard |
| 17:38.27 | DWSR | alestane: Blizzard has basically said that decently played Fury/Prot warriors have infinite rage. |
| 17:38.33 | Fisker | tear that guy a new asshole |
| 17:38.37 | Fisker | then permanently close his account |
| 17:39.41 | Fisker | i'd look up his address, then hire a bunch of terrorists (i.e. hastes friends) and then blow him up |
| 17:39.56 | DWSR | alestane: I'm pretty skeptical of their changes, tbh. |
| 17:40.04 | alestane | That seems like an awfully extreme response to a nerdrage. |
| 17:40.04 | Fisker | i'd shove him inside the large hadron collider and turn it on |
| 17:40.17 | Fisker | maybe a bit alestane |
| 17:40.28 | alestane | It will require testing and balancing like everything else, DWSR. |
| 17:40.46 | DWSR | alestane: That's what the last set of changes required, and obviously they turned out well. >.< |
| 17:41.01 | alestane | But as someone who's played a warrior to 80 and a bear into BC, I agree that the mechanic is not happy where it is. |
| 17:41.02 | DWSR | alestane: "Oh hai, warriors can has too much rage" |
| 17:41.21 | DWSR | We nurf we nurf |
| 17:41.43 | alestane | And Ghostcrawler comments in that thread that if something is broken, refusing to change it because the last time you changed it is how it got broken is just a stupid attitude. |
| 17:42.22 | Lopeppeppy | feeds Lunessa chocolate. She's working on a "art" site right now too. |
| 17:43.08 | Dashkal | Meh, I used to play a druid back in BC. Tanking bored me to tears, but the hybrid tax made my kitty useless. Glad I was in a small guild or I'dve never raided. |
| 17:43.32 | alestane | At least if they blow it up in a different direction they'll have more info on what makes it work or not work. |
| 17:44.11 | DWSR | Dashkal: They need to put the hybrid tax back. |
| 17:44.16 | DWSR | Sorry. |
| 17:44.49 | Fisker | alestane i got it |
| 17:45.00 | Fisker | if a meteor were heading our way and it would obliterate the earth |
| 17:45.05 | Fisker | I wouldn't stop it if i could |
| 17:45.06 | Lunessa | noms chocolate from Lopeppeppy. |
| 17:45.25 | alestane | sedates Fisker. |
| 17:45.55 | Fisker | you don't think i'm agitated do you? |
| 17:49.49 | Fisker | haha net neutrality got pwnt |
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| 17:54.59 | DWSR | Fisker: link? |
| 17:56.27 | Fisker | http://kotaku.com/5510695/net-neutrality-dealt-a-severe-blow-as-comcast-wins-fcc-appeal/ |
| 17:56.35 | industrial | booo |
| 17:57.59 | DWSR | ^ |
| 17:58.44 | industrial | good thing my interne-oh wait my government keeps all data of EVERYTHING of all ISP's for 5 years.. |
| 17:59.44 | nevcairiel | they just overturend that law here :D |
| 18:00.32 | industrial | RATS is what they are |
| 18:00.36 | industrial | :@ |
| 18:02.52 | foxlit | There's Gold in that there Fountain, Fisker. |
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| 18:27.27 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=74453 << who? |
| 18:27.46 | foxlit | [It matches http://www.wowhead.com/spell=70126 , but meh] |
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| 18:28.36 | foxlit | teehee, ruby sanctum spells |
| 18:29.10 | DWSR | ^ |
| 18:34.18 | Lunessa | Heh, one of the best pieces of advice I've ever seen handed to new AddOn programers; "If you want to control when something happens, use event handlers. " ~Anitclaus |
| 18:35.22 | foxlit | I'm conflicted. |
| 18:36.33 | Lunessa | They make medication for that now. |
| 18:44.24 | Fisker | Fermi |
| 18:47.05 | Fisker | bitchduck foxlit |
| 18:49.07 | Lopeppeppy | bless you? |
| 18:49.25 | Fisker | why thank you |
| 18:49.28 | Fisker | it's my new sitcom |
| 19:02.43 | NeoTron | As programmers of Lua you might be interested in the new book "The Presidential Accomplishments Of George W. Bush", now available from Amazon.com |
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| 19:05.52 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Good to know. |
| 19:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | I'd never have guessed I was interested in that. |
| 19:06.57 | cog|away | ~poke NeoTron |
| 19:06.58 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind NeoTron, pokes NeoTron repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:09.13 | NeoTron | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1451563302/ref=pe_5050_14852730_snp_dp |
| 19:09.19 | NeoTron | it's a 108 page book. Every page is blank |
| 19:09.47 | NeoTron | I was making a joke on how it was a 1 page book with 30 pixel font and still could fit it all but I guess the joke's on me |
| 19:14.16 | krka | not a funny joke |
| 19:14.30 | krka | i saw a similar recently, it was titled "everything men know about women" |
| 19:15.42 | NeoTron | krka: I find it amusing |
| 19:15.54 | NeoTron | it's a nice 108 notebook with a funny cover :P |
| 19:16.35 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:17.12 | Shirik | NeoTron: Nice |
| 19:17.46 | kd3 | lol; I saw that with "Bill Clinton" on the title back in high school |
| 19:18.56 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:19.04 | Shirik | Clinton was actually a pretty successful president |
| 19:19.16 | Shirik | maybe with the title "Women Clinton didn't sleep with" |
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| 19:28.20 | alestane | We just wiped in Underbog...healer says could I rez him because he's too drunk to run back. |
| 19:29.19 | Thunder_Child | heh |
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| 19:30.25 | industrial | Question: Do Rogues benefot from Crusader at all? isn't strength still one attack power per point? |
| 19:30.28 | industrial | benefit* |
| 19:31.23 | Antiarc | Crusader is arguably the best leveling enchant for rogues |
| 19:31.29 | Antiarc | And yes, the proc is 100 AP per hand |
| 19:31.38 | Antiarc | But the heal is extremely valuable, especially at low levels |
| 19:31.43 | Antiarc | Makes grinding quite pleasant |
| 19:31.56 | Antiarc | Once you can switch to mongoose, you should, but Mongoose can't be put on BOA weapons |
| 19:32.07 | industrial | I want it for pvp however |
| 19:32.12 | industrial | I am leveling my playing pvp |
| 19:32.25 | industrial | proccing that in a bg means 100 ap means nice crits/damage AND healing |
| 19:32.29 | industrial | so I want it over AGI |
| 19:32.30 | Lunessa | Then you probably want the Agility enchant. |
| 19:32.32 | industrial | why? |
| 19:32.45 | Lunessa | Dodge, Crit, AP. |
| 19:32.55 | Antiarc | AGI is probably better for PVP, yeah. |
| 19:33.00 | industrial | hmm\ |
| 19:33.04 | Lunessa | Though, honestly I like Lifestealing. |
| 19:33.16 | Antiarc | Back in the day, the pro setup was 1 agility, 1 lifesteal |
| 19:33.38 | Lunessa | Yeah. Lifestealing is like the "FU" enchant for rogues. |
| 19:35.25 | Arrowmaster | wasnt that back when lifestealing caused weapon procs to have extra chances to proc though? |
| 19:35.45 | Arrowmaster | and everybody with a thunderfury had lifestealing on it |
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| 19:38.48 | Antiarc | That was waay early though |
| 19:38.55 | Antiarc | Like before Thunderfury was really craftable |
| 19:39.04 | Arrowmaster | i remember that working for a while |
| 19:39.12 | Antiarc | They nerfed it a series of times |
| 19:39.16 | Arrowmaster | my guild had 3 fucking thunderfurys |
| 19:39.21 | Antiarc | Way early on, poisons and procs could proc each other |
| 19:39.30 | Lunessa | I'm considering spending some real time doing PVP on my shaman - is it really worth getting a resilience suit for Battlegrounds? |
| 19:39.56 | Antiarc | So you would get a sword spec rogue with a thrash blade and hand of justice dual wielding instant poison, and they'd result in crazy proc chains |
| 19:40.13 | industrial | Antiarc: what about windfury :P |
| 19:40.21 | Antiarc | Couldn't use windfury with poisons! |
| 19:40.26 | industrial | two hander 5 procs one swing pewpew |
| 19:40.27 | Antiarc | (I was alliance, didn't have it anyway) |
| 19:40.58 | olafski | you couldn't use windfury with poisons? :s |
| 19:41.43 | Antiarc | No |
| 19:41.48 | Arrowmaster | horde, and had one of the best pvp rogues in my guild even if nobody realized he was so good, bastard quit before TBC then came back for a little while and was raping lvl 70 warriors in thrallmar while he was 60 |
| 19:41.54 | Antiarc | Windfury was a weapon temp enchant |
| 19:41.57 | Antiarc | So poisons would block it |
| 19:42.13 | olafski | antiarc: the totem counted as an enchant too? :S lame |
| 19:42.22 | Arrowmaster | dude knew every fucking trick |
| 19:42.27 | Antiarc | Yeah, it put a short-term buff on your weapon |
| 19:42.31 | olafski | hmm |
| 19:42.32 | Antiarc | Like 6 sec or something? |
| 19:42.43 | Shirik | yup |
| 19:42.53 | olafski | don't think I ever had that totem |
| 19:43.26 | Shirik | I always thought that was stupid tbh |
| 19:43.34 | Fisker | i'm you Shirik :( |
| 19:43.36 | Shirik | I have poison on my weapon so I can't swing that fast |
| 19:44.07 | Shirik | negative Fisker |
| 19:44.36 | Fisker | i am |
| 19:55.41 | zenzelezz | <div id="please_dont_block_me" [...] o_O |
| 19:57.27 | Pneumatus | hmm, i thought warlock pet mana was supposed to last so they could use their abilities all the time :< |
| 19:57.59 | alestane | If it were, there wouldn't be much point to Mana Feed and Dark Pact would be a free mana fountain. |
| 19:58.29 | Pneumatus | well, DP is if you use imp with no abilities in use |
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| 20:00.00 | zenzelezz | I hope the next improvement to Google is ignoring forum signatures in their index |
| 20:01.36 | Arrowmaster | fuck that, how about ignoring 'recent X' sidebars |
| 20:01.50 | zenzelezz | hm, true.. .that too |
| 20:02.01 | zenzelezz | but forum signatures tend to be a bigger problem in my searches for some reason |
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| 20:20.31 | olafski | bleh horde needs to do some group(3) quest to get to the wrathgate questline? =( |
| 20:20.54 | zenzelezz | I don't recall that... which? |
| 20:21.58 | olafski | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=11898 |
| 20:22.13 | olafski | gonna try to solo it but I think my chances are slim as a lvl 71 prot warrior |
| 20:23.00 | zenzelezz | is that a pre-quest? |
| 20:23.31 | olafski | it seems to be.. the comments say that you need to do it to get the other chain |
| 20:33.55 | Adys | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/04/pypy-12-released.html |
| 20:44.18 | olafski | ha solo'd it, spell reflection wins :P |
| 20:45.31 | zenzelezz | it does |
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| 20:48.42 | olafski | he casts shadow bolt so infrequently that it was up every time |
| 20:48.48 | olafski | nearly killed myself with an unfortunate revenge crit though |
| 20:49.27 | tekkub | I've always wondered... if two peop use spell reflection at the same time... |
| 20:49.32 | tekkub | then keep casting spells |
| 20:50.00 | tekkub | do they just reflect back and forth till the buff drops on one and then BAM that person is hit with all the pending spells |
| 20:51.34 | olafski | :) |
| 20:51.46 | olafski | spell reflection lasts like 5 seconds and warriors don't realy have any spells to cast |
| 20:51.55 | olafski | hm but they can reflect spells from their party |
| 20:52.04 | tekkub | oh it's warriors only? |
| 20:52.09 | tekkub | I though magi had one |
| 20:52.13 | mitchnull | wasn't it so that a reflected spell couldn't be reflected again? |
| 20:52.44 | mitchnull | I sorta remember reading that once somewhere |
| 20:55.05 | olafski | hm maybe mages do have one |
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| 20:55.15 | olafski | fire ward with some talent or glyph? |
| 20:57.11 | zenzelezz | I'm surprisingly pleased with my "LFG-on-trade" filter addon o_O Not perfect, but it got most of the LFG off my trade window |
| 20:57.18 | zenzelezz | for a hack job that is |
| 21:10.45 | industrial | I made one like that, I reported it all as spam and blizz said I couldnt run it anymore :( |
| 21:11.41 | industrial | I don't feel like it's entirely fair for people to abuse a system just because they can. Trade is for Trade. I demand reprimands :P |
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| 21:11.56 | zenzelezz | agreed |
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| 21:28.04 | industrial | and they are just retarded people mostly anyway. |
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| 21:35.27 | Dashkal | I gave up on trade long ago. Trade is off on all but my merchant alt |
| 21:36.05 | sylvanaar | whats the /dtframestack like command they added |
| 21:39.40 | zenzelezz | /framestack ? |
| 21:39.44 | Pneumatus | ^^ this |
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| 22:00.31 | Dashkal | sighs |
| 22:00.34 | Dashkal | RIP Blood DPS |
| 22:00.40 | Dashkal | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/26/24038461060-death-knights-will-tank-as-blood-in-cataclysm.html |
| 22:00.46 | Dashkal | Guess I'd better learn unholy |
| 22:01.33 | Dashkal | On the plus side, Blood was always my preferred tanking spec so I'm not losing everything. Objectively, I agree with the change. I'll just miss my preferred spec |
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| 22:05.18 | Dashkal | Does perhaps make us mimic warrior trees a little too well, though. Blood->Prot, Frost->Fury, Unholy->Arms. |
| 22:08.19 | cbreak | hey, people moaned when the iPhone lacked Copy&Paste |
| 22:08.33 | cbreak | and now you want to moan when blizzard does NOT lack it? |
| 22:09.51 | zenzelezz | "AltaVista was once one of the most popular search engines but its popularity has waned with the rise of Google.[citation needed]" -- I see what you mean, but come on... you don't really need a citation for that |
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| 22:10.28 | cbreak | wasn't altavista used for it's manually managed categories? |
| 22:10.44 | zenzelezz | that too |
| 22:10.54 | zenzelezz | it was pretty good all around Back Then(tm) |
| 22:12.20 | Dashkal | Metacrawler ftw |
| 22:12.26 | Shirik | ~wiki Eric Hodgson |
| 22:14.55 | cbreak | purl: citation needed |
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| 22:19.07 | Torhal | Shirik: Hah |
| 22:19.20 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I'm doing it |
| 22:19.22 | Shirik | tonight |
| 22:26.32 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: losing your virginity? |
| 22:26.47 | Thunder_Child | j/k enjoy the lens |
| 22:26.48 | ScytheBlade1 | wow. sure hope that gets into the quote db |
| 22:26.57 | Cide | Adys, ping |
| 22:33.23 | Fisker | farts Shirik |
| 22:34.34 | ckknight | WTB Cataclysm |
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| 22:35.52 | Fisker | hey ckknight |
| 22:35.53 | Fisker | do not want |
| 22:36.11 | Zyn | you might not want if the class previews this week turn out of be nightmarish |
| 22:36.39 | Aelobin | ckknight: "lets talk about all the things youre looking forward to, but cant play for over half a year" |
| 22:36.48 | Aelobin | :< |
| 22:37.06 | zenzelezz | what, sex? |
| 22:37.17 | Cide | diablo 3 x1e6 |
| 22:37.47 | Zyn | D3 is done, they're just postponing it cause they want to |
| 22:38.06 | ZorbaTHut | diablo 3 has been delayed. its new release date is six months after it's done. |
| 22:38.35 | Cide | I hear the developers released it |
| 22:38.42 | Cide | but the management went back in time and stopped the release |
| 22:38.58 | ckknight | Aelobin: nah, beta should happen soon enough. |
| 22:39.10 | zenzelezz | Cide: no, it was the LHC |
| 22:39.14 | ckknight | Zyn: Blood's the new DK tank tree *thumbs up* |
| 22:39.21 | Cide | LHC stopped the d3 release? |
| 22:39.21 | Aelobin | i guess |
| 22:39.22 | Cide | makes sense |
| 22:39.41 | zenzelezz | Cide: it didn't stop it, it went back in time to stop us from finding the Higgs Boson and from receiving Diablo 3 |
| 22:39.48 | Zyn | ckknight , oh shit I didn't read that yet, was playing Bad Company 2 D: |
| 22:39.49 | Cide | ooh |
| 22:39.51 | Cide | right |
| 22:40.08 | zenzelezz | that (minus the D3 part) is still the most amusing explanation I've heard for the LHC problems |
| 22:40.12 | Cide | agreed |
| 22:40.15 | Cide | nutjob scientists |
| 22:40.26 | Cide | it makes me sad that he was indeed a scientist |
| 22:40.37 | Zyn | oh well, aint got Blood-spec on my DK anymore |
| 22:40.39 | Cide | should make scientist licenses, so that we can revoke them |
| 22:40.42 | Zyn | Unholy and DW Frost, wooo |
| 22:52.18 | Shirik | (18:26:24) (Thunder_Child) Shirik: losing your virginity? |
| 22:52.20 | Shirik | evil man |
| 22:52.21 | Shirik | but <3 |
| 22:53.12 | Cide | <3 now? I thought it was tonight |
| 22:53.28 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:53.32 | Cide | nvm me |
| 22:53.34 | Cide | want to play some sc2? |
| 22:53.39 | Shirik | I'm at school atm :( |
| 22:53.42 | Cide | fail |
| 22:53.42 | Shirik | later tonight |
| 22:53.46 | Cide | maybe |
| 22:53.49 | Cide | how long? |
| 22:53.56 | Shirik | depends on how cooperative simulink is |
| 22:54.04 | Cide | going to bed in ~4h or so |
| 22:54.18 | Shirik | shouldn't be that long |
| 22:54.29 | Cide | alright, well let me know |
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| 23:05.47 | Fisker | today i get my fermi Shirik |
| 23:05.48 | Fisker | i hope |
| 23:05.49 | Fisker | for you |
| 23:06.20 | Shirik | ok thank you |
| 23:07.01 | Cide | http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=57332 |
| 23:07.05 | Cide | very interesting problem imo |
| 23:15.40 | foxlit | Cute |
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| 23:18.23 | ArrowmasterClass | either my home net connection died, my shitty laptop at home i ssh into died, or a net admin figured out ive been using ssh to bypass their firewall |
| 23:21.02 | foxlit | Cide: does it assert that the 16 strings is the shortest possible code for the 9:3 case? |
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| 23:22.26 | Cide | doesn't seem that way |
| 23:22.32 | Cide | that it asserts it |
| 23:22.37 | Cide | but it may very well be that way |
| 23:23.34 | Cide | in the 9/3 scenario, for any given combination of 3 switches, the opening code must go through all possible permutations for those 3 switches |
| 23:23.40 | Cide | is how far I have gotten |
| 23:23.51 | Cide | the lack of paper in this apartment saddens me |
| 23:24.20 | foxlit | There are 84 possible ways to choose 3 switches, and 8 possible states that those switches should be in |
| 23:25.01 | Cide | aye |
| 23:26.01 | foxlit | It's also interesting that the provided solution consists of 8 bit strings and their negations. |
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| 23:26.45 | DWSR_ | ZorbaTHut: You there? I need to pick your brains a little bit. |
| 23:27.01 | kd3 | braaaaains~ |
| 23:27.36 | Cide | a thought |
| 23:27.52 | DWSR_ | hands Cide a penny. |
| 23:27.58 | Cide | say we enumerate the 8 possible 3-states for the first 3 switches |
| 23:28.03 | industrial | kd3: what do vegetarian zombies say (old joke maybe ...) |
| 23:28.07 | Cide | and then reduce the problem to one with 3 active, 6 switches |
| 23:28.10 | kd3 | graaaaains~ |
| 23:28.14 | DWSR_ | ^ |
| 23:28.15 | industrial | \:D/ |
| 23:28.54 | Cide | and spread all those solutions over the existing 3-enumerations, duplicating them as necessary, would that work for all ways of choosing 3 switches? |
| 23:29.06 | Cide | probably not, I think |
| 23:29.23 | DWSR_ | Cide: No. |
| 23:29.33 | Cide | why not? |
| 23:29.40 | Cide | I'm pretty confident you're right |
| 23:29.48 | Cide | but I can't exactly figure out why |
| 23:29.51 | DWSR_ | Cide: I have no idea, my gut feeling is that it's no. |
| 23:30.08 | Cide | well, consider this |
| 23:30.22 | Cide | either the switches are selected as all 3 in the first 3, in which case we win |
| 23:30.28 | Cide | or only 2 are in the first 3 |
| 23:30.56 | foxlit | or fewer. |
| 23:30.58 | Cide | in this case, we're down to 6/2 for the rest -- will this always provide a solutoin when spread |
| 23:31.02 | recluse | what commenting system uses @cc{comment text} for comments? |
| 23:31.12 | Cide | er |
| 23:31.14 | Cide | we're down to 6/1 |
| 23:31.36 | Cide | or only 1 switch is right, and we're down to 6/2 -- will this always provide a solution when spread? |
| 23:31.52 | DWSR_ | recluse: conditional comments in CSS? |
| 23:31.59 | Cide | or 0 switches are in the first 3, in which case we win since we're enumerating the other solutions |
| 23:32.00 | DWSR_ | I have no idea, tbh. |
| 23:32.08 | Cide | so it boils down to the 1 or 2 scenarios |
| 23:32.42 | Cide | but I'm pretty sure it works now |
| 23:32.51 | Cide | hm |
| 23:33.02 | recluse | DWSR_: found it while doing a google search for a perl question I had, but I have never seen that before in perl... |
| 23:34.33 | Cide | hmm no, it needs to be smarter |
| 23:34.43 | Cide | otherwise it would enumerate all solutions |
| 23:34.45 | Cide | which isn't ideal |
| 23:35.54 | Cide | or no |
| 23:51.19 | Cide | how does this sound |
| 23:52.11 | Cide | assume we want to find the opening code to n switches, k actve |
| 23:52.24 | Cide | active* |
| 23:52.38 | Cide | 1. generate all permutations for k switches |
| 23:53.03 | Cide | if the active switches were in here, we're done, so assume they aren't |
| 23:53.24 | Cide | so worst case we've reduced the problem to n-k switches, k active |
| 23:53.57 | Cide | so we need to generate the k permutations again for the next segment |
| 23:54.47 | Cide | we also, however, need to deal with the fact that 1 switch may be chosen from the other segment (another scenario is that 1<x<k switches are chosen, but x=1 will handle this also) |
| 23:55.46 | Cide | so while we can copy the first k entries to the next segment, we also need to make a copy with the inverses as the second segment |
| 23:56.01 | Cide | this should deal with all the scenarios if the switches are in the first 2k |
| 23:56.37 | Cide | repeat for n/k times |
| 23:56.39 | foxlit | You're out of strings for the 9:3 case about there. |
| 23:56.43 | Cide | why? |
| 23:56.53 | foxlit | 8 permutations to for the first segment |
| 23:56.58 | Cide | right |
| 23:57.04 | Cide | and doubled for the inverses for the next segment |
| 23:57.10 | foxlit | Which gives you 16 |
| 23:57.28 | Cide | the last segment, however, also needs at least 8 combinations |
| 23:57.44 | Cide | however, worst case scenario is that only 1 switch is chosen from all the 6 previous |
| 23:57.50 | Cide | which again only requires 16 |
| 23:58.06 | Cide | no need to double the strings again since it fits |
| 23:58.51 | Cide | I'm not entirely sure on the general definition of when to double |
| 23:59.04 | Cide | but what I described above should work for 9:3 |
| 23:59.29 | Cide | I also haven't proved that including the inverses will take care of all combinations but my gut tells me it doe |
| 23:59.31 | Cide | does |
