| 00:00.02 | DWSR | rofl |
| 00:00.05 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You'll love this |
| 00:00.23 | DWSR | sec |
| 00:02.15 | DWSR | Doing an ICC10 rep farm |
| 00:02.23 | DWSR | rogue gtets impatitent |
| 00:02.35 | DWSR | decided to tricks FoK the first rtash |
| 00:02.48 | DWSR | Shadowmeld, let him die |
| 00:03.04 | DWSR | 10 minutes of nerd rage about how I'm just a guy with an epeen |
| 00:03.36 | tem | Shadowmeld while tanking is AWESOME |
| 00:03.49 | DWSR | He ninja pulled with a tricks, Shadowmeld solves it by giving him the threat right back |
| 00:03.52 | tem | pretty much the only thing I miss about being a NE on my DK |
| 00:05.02 | DWSR | Dude, I'm still hearing about this, it was 15 minutes ago. |
| 00:05.13 | DWSR | He's like Jesus christ man, wtf? You're just a nerd feeling empowered by a video game. |
| 00:05.25 | alestane | One of the things I've been wrestling with in LFD is DPS who pull the group because they don't want to wait and then bitch that you can't hold aggro. |
| 00:05.53 | DWSR | Shadowmeld. |
| 00:06.00 | DWSR | That's like 50% of the reason I chose a DK |
| 00:06.05 | DWSR | The other was Elusiveness. |
| 00:06.36 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, I always like it when you get a cooperative healer |
| 00:06.42 | ZorbaTHut | "if you pull, you can tank it. Without heals." |
| 00:06.46 | alestane | One who will let them die? |
| 00:06.50 | ZorbaTHut | (dps proceeds to kill themselves four times in a row by pulling) |
| 00:06.50 | WobWork | yes |
| 00:06.58 | WobWork | I -always- do that as a healer |
| 00:07.11 | WobWork | and encourage that behaviour, as a tank |
| 00:07.14 | DWSR | lol |
| 00:07.24 | DWSR | This RL (same rogue) is 18 and he's bitching about "kids" |
| 00:07.26 | alestane | I finally told that moonkin this afternoon that the next time we got a pull in the middle of a fight because he typhooned mobs into them, one of us was leaving the group. |
| 00:07.45 | WobWork | DWSR: Tell him your grandchildren are older than him =) |
| 00:07.55 | DWSR | lol |
| 00:07.58 | DWSR | He thinks I'm 15 apparently. |
| 00:08.10 | DWSR | I've raided with him before, he's a fucking arena whore. |
| 00:08.20 | DWSR | Who thinks he's Elune's gift to Azeroth. |
| 00:08.24 | WobWork | and then pat him on the head |
| 00:08.29 | WobWork | smile and nod |
| 00:08.42 | WobWork | there's nothing more utterly irritating than complete condescension |
| 00:08.56 | alestane | Yeah the oomkin was like that. Solid pvp gear, 50% of party DPS, but not uber enough to handle the pulls solo. |
| 00:09.04 | Lunessa | alestane: that's the way to tell them. |
| 00:09.21 | DWSR | alestane: Oh, you're nice. |
| 00:09.28 | DWSR | I just vote kick them, or leave if the timer's not up. |
| 00:09.38 | DWSR | And I always put a nice little message of "Don't group with stupid DPS. c ya!" |
| 00:10.16 | DWSR | I tolerate poor healers mostly. |
| 00:10.29 | DWSR | Except for ones who are DPS in a heal spec in DPS gear. |
| 00:11.29 | WobWork | eh |
| 00:11.32 | WobWork | healers that pull |
| 00:11.44 | DWSR | They die, like everyone else. :) |
| 00:11.58 | WobWork | yeah, but unless there's another resser in teh group |
| 00:12.05 | DWSR | I make them walk. |
| 00:12.06 | WobWork | it's a long run back wait =P |
| 00:12.20 | DWSR | I'm quite happy with going out of my way to make sure that bads learn their lesson. |
| 00:12.33 | DWSR | I have kicked terribad DPS when we are *staring* at the end boss. |
| 00:13.02 | DWSR | I'm like, sec, bio. |
| 00:13.07 | DWSR | Votekick, poof. |
| 00:13.13 | OhGrimes | I do f:SetMovable(enable) and then try to do f:StartMoving() |
| 00:13.19 | OhGrimes | And I get an error saying the frame is not movable :-/ |
| 00:13.28 | alestane | enable is probably nil. |
| 00:13.31 | alestane | or false. |
| 00:13.36 | WobWork | try 'true' |
| 00:13.43 | alestane | try f:SetMovable(true). |
| 00:13.45 | DWSR | OhGrimes: true. |
| 00:13.54 | DWSR | What others said. |
| 00:14.00 | DWSR | You should either use 1 or true |
| 00:14.02 | OhGrimes | Well, no more error. |
| 00:14.03 | DWSR | And most likely true |
| 00:14.06 | OhGrimes | But it doesn't let me resize it. |
| 00:14.08 | OhGrimes | Or move it. |
| 00:14.19 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 00:14.31 | DWSR | Because it's "already moving" |
| 00:14.44 | OhGrimes | So I have to manually put in a sort of |
| 00:14.48 | OhGrimes | When the frame is clicked |
| 00:14.54 | OhGrimes | f:StartMoving() |
| 00:14.55 | DWSR | I *beileve* so. |
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| 00:15.00 | DWSR | Someone want to confirm that? |
| 00:16.35 | alestane | Typically, the sequence is 'f:SetMovable(true); f:RegisterForDrag("LeftButton"); f:SetScript("OnDragStart", f.StartMoving)' |
| 00:18.20 | OhGrimes | Hm. Doesn't move still. |
| 00:22.21 | OhGrimes | :-/ Not sure what to do. |
| 00:23.47 | Dagmar | Open your browser, and double-check what each of those calls do. |
| 00:26.47 | Shirik | ~rot13 '''EBG13''' ("'''ebgngr ol 13 cynprf'''", fbzrgvzrf ulcurangrq '''EBG-13''') vf n fvzcyr [[fhofgvghgvba pvcure]] hfrq va [[bayvar sbehz]]f nf n zrnaf bs uvqvat [[fcbvyre (zrqvn)|fcbvyre]]f, [[chapu yvar|chapuyvarf]], chmmyr fbyhgvbaf, naq [[cebsnavgl|bssrafvir zngrevny]]f sebz gur pnfhny tynapr. EBG13 unf orra qrfpevorq nf gur "[[Hfrarg]] rdhvinyrag bs n zntnmvar cevagvat gur nafjre gb n dhvm hcfvqr qbja". |
| 00:26.47 | purl | '''ROT13''' ("'''rotate by 13 places'''", sometimes hyphenated '''ROT-13''') is a simple [[substitution cipher]] used in [[online forum]]s as a means of hiding [[spoiler (media)|spoiler]]s, [[punch line|punchlines]], puzzle solutions, and [[profanity|offensive material]]s from the casual glance. ROT13 has been described as the "[[Usenet]] equivalent of a magazine printing the answer to a quiz upside down". |
| 00:26.50 | Shirik | .... |
| 00:27.01 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ROT13&diff=prev&oldid=353256563 |
| 00:27.01 | Thunder_Child | fail? oh yes...fail |
| 00:27.04 | WobWork | http://www.atlassian.com/fourwalls/ |
| 00:28.25 | Shirik | what is that WobWork? |
| 00:28.31 | Dagmar | Wobwork: Clearly, some of these people need to be talked to about their work habits |
| 00:30.35 | Shirik | haha |
| 00:30.47 | Shirik | Coming Soon, Badges! |
| 00:30.47 | Shirik | We don't know what these are for, but we're pretty sure we need to add them. |
| 00:32.35 | KarlKFI|work | "Completely Free, unless you find it useful. Then you have to Pay. |
| 00:32.54 | OhGrimes | who would have thought making a window drag would be this complicated! |
| 00:33.07 | KarlKFI|work | isn't there a wiki page for that? |
| 00:33.09 | Lunessa | http://www.hennesseyperformancestore.com/venomgt.html - DO WANT |
| 00:33.59 | alestane | It looks like it should have a Batman logo on it. |
| 00:34.11 | Dagmar | Anyone who has ever programmed before. |
| 00:34.30 | ZorbaTHut | making a window drag isn't hard, just give it some makeup and a dress <rimshot/> |
| 00:34.33 | DWSR | Shirik: That's pretty clever. |
| 00:34.41 | DWSR | ~ZorbaTHut++ |
| 00:34.50 | OhGrimes | badababoom |
| 00:34.56 | OhGrimes | Seriously though it won't move. |
| 00:35.01 | Shirik | DWSR: what was? |
| 00:35.03 | DWSR | btw ZorbaTHut |
| 00:35.04 | DWSR | ~rimshot |
| 00:35.05 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 00:35.17 | DWSR | Shirik: ROT13 encrypting the ROT13 article. |
| 00:35.17 | Mikk | ~ZorbaTHut++ |
| 00:35.21 | Shirik | ah yes |
| 00:35.22 | DWSR | imo, should leave it like that. |
| 00:35.23 | Shirik | I was amused |
| 00:35.26 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, wonder if that works inside a line ~rimshot |
| 00:35.28 | alestane | Try starting out with "f:EnableMouse(true)", OhGrimes. |
| 00:35.30 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Nope. |
| 00:35.31 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, useless |
| 00:35.43 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: |
| 00:35.49 | DWSR | ~rimshot I wonder if that works inside a line. |
| 00:35.52 | DWSR | Hrm. |
| 00:35.55 | DWSR | ~fail purl |
| 00:35.56 | purl | purl, you Fail! |
| 00:35.59 | DWSR | ~botsnack |
| 00:35.59 | purl | DWSR: thanks |
| 00:36.12 | Amarande | DWSR: nah, *double* ROT13 it! |
| 00:36.24 | DWSR | No, now you're just being fucking stupid. |
| 00:36.31 | DWSR | 1 is cute, 2 is stupid. |
| 00:36.34 | Shirik | omg |
| 00:36.36 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:36.52 | Shirik | at the top of the article put "Warning: This article has been double-ROT13 encrypted" |
| 00:37.13 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 00:37.13 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:37.15 | DWSR | ~Shirik-- |
| 00:37.18 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:37.30 | Shirik | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev :~Shirik++ |
| 00:37.31 | batbot | Shirik, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 00:37.31 | EDI | ~Shirik++ |
| 00:37.41 | DWSR | rofl batbot |
| 00:37.49 | Shirik | !quote DWSR |
| 00:37.49 | batbot | Shirik, dwsr said: "rofl batbot". |
| 00:38.46 | WobWork | !quote Shirik |
| 00:38.46 | batbot | WobWork, shirik said: ":(". |
| 00:38.50 | Adys | !quote jesus |
| 00:38.50 | batbot | Adys, jesus has not said anything. |
| 00:40.33 | Shirik | !seen jesus |
| 00:40.37 | Shirik | ~seen jesus |
| 00:40.39 | purl | jesus <n=chatzill@189.192.244.176> was last seen on IRC in channel #gnu-kbsd, 630d 2h 45m 58s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 00:40.47 | Shirik | oo |
| 00:41.44 | recluse | lol |
| 00:43.55 | OhGrimes | Hooray a draggable window |
| 00:43.57 | OhGrimes | Now to make it resize |
| 00:46.59 | alestane | Typically you want to make a child frame that resizes its parent when it's dragged. |
| 00:48.07 | OhGrimes | A button? |
| 00:49.32 | alestane | Can be, but no reason it has to be. |
| 00:50.04 | Lopeppeppy | Button button, who's got the button? |
| 00:50.17 | industrial | I has the button! |
| 00:50.38 | alestane | You place it somewhere in the parent frame, register it for dragging like the other frame, but set the drag script to |
| 00:50.38 | alestane | f:SetScript("OnDragStart", function (self) self:GetParent():StartSizing() end) |
| 00:52.01 | Thunder_Child | ~moo |
| 00:52.01 | purl | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 00:54.46 | Amarande | kills purl and is disappointed when Windforce doesn't drop |
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| 01:01.35 | DWSR | What's the strength food called? |
| 01:02.19 | WobWork | Spinich |
| 01:02.22 | industrial | DWSR: spinach |
| 01:02.23 | industrial | oww |
| 01:02.27 | DWSR | sigh |
| 01:02.31 | DWSR | ~industrial-- |
| 01:02.33 | DWSR | ~Wobin-- |
| 01:02.38 | WobWork | =P |
| 01:02.42 | WobWork | ^5 industrial |
| 01:02.48 | industrial | =D |
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| 01:02.56 | industrial | o/ |
| 01:03.28 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.42 | Thunder_Child | ~Wobin++ |
| 01:03.43 | Thunder_Child | ~industrial++ |
| 01:05.57 | industrial | someone named 'shareurl' .. what kind of nick is that |
| 01:06.15 | industrial | I still wub my paladin 'wtfjustaccep' |
| 01:06.38 | tem | http://i.imgur.com/HL1ZR.jpg |
| 01:06.42 | DWSR | hrm. |
| 01:06.48 | DWSR | Agility or Strength food for tanking? |
| 01:06.49 | tem | My name is tem, and I approve of this message. |
| 01:06.58 | tem | DWSR, neither |
| 01:07.12 | industrial | tem: nice! keeping that one |
| 01:07.15 | OhGrimes | Hooray well the resizing works |
| 01:07.22 | OhGrimes | It just works very strangely |
| 01:07.27 | tem | fish feast because I'm too cheap to use other food |
| 01:08.11 | tem | optionally, if you want to improve your threat: hit or expertise food if you need either stat, str otherwise |
| 01:08.44 | WobWork | tem: awesome |
| 01:08.44 | tem | if you want to improve your avoidance: defense food |
| 01:08.44 | tem | if you want to improve your EH, agi food |
| 01:08.48 | WobWork | defense food should totally be mock turtle soup |
| 01:09.17 | DWSR | tem: Bookmarked. |
| 01:09.19 | tem | (I'm not positive that defense food exists at level 80, but I really don't care because it's pointless to use) |
| 01:09.23 | DWSR | tem: It does. |
| 01:09.26 | DWSR | And I wouldn't bother. |
| 01:09.33 | DWSR | Agi food it is, then. |
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| 01:09.50 | industrial | tem: there is a typo, actually |
| 01:09.52 | tem | also, if you're shy of def cap (lol) and defense food won't get you there: resilience food! |
| 01:09.55 | industrial | tem: that or I am uneducated |
| 01:10.09 | tem | industrial, I didn't notice it. Care to point it out? |
| 01:10.29 | kd3 | sigh |
| 01:10.52 | kd3 | rebooting always seems to take more effort than it should |
| 01:11.04 | tem | industrial, my one complain about the thing is that it's missing a lot of punctuation. |
| 01:11.19 | DWSR | s/ain/aint/ |
| 01:11.22 | tem | There were a couple places where it wasn't clear that a sentence was ending. |
| 01:11.33 | Dagmar | "never-ending torrent of abuse" |
| 01:11.44 | tem | NO, DAMNIT. I MEANT TO SAY "MY ONE COMPLAIN" |
| 01:11.50 | industrial | comma part, "(that's "parts of a sentence," you uneducated ass)" should be "(that's "parts of a sentence", you uneducated ass)" |
| 01:11.51 | tem | (lawl) |
| 01:12.06 | tem | oh I didn't read the comma part |
| 01:12.13 | tem | because it sounded like he was about to make a mistake |
| 01:12.16 | tem | also I was bored |
| 01:12.22 | Dagmar | industrial: It really depends on how much of a crusty old kook you are |
| 01:12.33 | industrial | Dagmar: I'm 22 |
| 01:12.35 | DWSR | Dagmar: No it doesn't. |
| 01:12.42 | Dagmar | If you're just a pedant, it would be quote then comma. |
| 01:12.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: The comma is not part of the quotation |
| 01:12.54 | tem | Well |
| 01:13.09 | tem | in at least one writing style, punctuation goes inside the quote |
| 01:13.09 | Dagmar | If you're a shriveled old librarian, then it's comma followed by quotation mark. |
| 01:13.10 | tem | always. |
| 01:13.29 | Dagmar | DWSR: You know this, I know this, old people formerly didn't give a damn |
| 01:13.58 | industrial | But its a quote, spoken as part of the sentence. The sentence has a comma, the quote does not. |
| 01:14.16 | kd3 | is of the "don't fuck with strings, punctuation not part of the quote goes outside the quote mark" school |
| 01:14.21 | industrial | So shouldn't it be outside of the quote? |
| 01:14.31 | DWSR | It should be, yes. |
| 01:14.34 | tem | industrial, either way is correct |
| 01:14.39 | Dagmar | In lieu of having to decide whether or not to print " and , as a combined character on the newfangled movable type looms, they opted to just say "screw you people, nothing follows a double-quote" |
| 01:14.39 | tem | as long as you are consistent. |
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| 01:15.05 | Dagmar | NOW, we're more particular about how quotations are written, so we put the comma after like makes fucking sense |
| 01:15.06 | kd3 | grr... lagging. |
| 01:15.24 | Dagmar | kd3: That would be because you're not a curmudgeon |
| 01:15.41 | Dagmar | I *had* such a curmudgeon in high school, who I drove f**king bannanas |
| 01:16.26 | Lunessa | If there's another curmudgeon in here, take it out back and shoot it. |
| 01:16.27 | Dagmar | She never should have taken off points on one of my papers for writing 'modem' instead of 'MODEM'. |
| 01:16.57 | alestane | I've seen it posited that the drive to move the comma (or period) outside the quote is actually attributable to programmers, who interpret these things very literally. |
| 01:17.07 | Dagmar | alestane: Yep |
| 01:17.11 | kd3 | ^ |
| 01:17.49 | alestane | Because the string literals "how is it, anyway," and "how is it, anyway" are clearly different. |
| 01:18.02 | DWSR | Which they obviously fucking are. |
| 01:18.05 | Dagmar | Exactly. Poor comma placement leaves the meaning ambiguous. |
| 01:18.06 | OhGrimes | I need to anchor it so that this window resizes from the top left |
| 01:18.12 | OhGrimes | It's resizing very strangely |
| 01:18.26 | alestane | However, conventional writing style is not founded on programmatic interpretations, but on conventions. |
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| 01:18.58 | Dagmar | alestane: Lit majors go senile first, so the coder viewpoint wins over time |
| 01:19.05 | DWSR | ^ |
| 01:19.19 | kd3 | OhGrimes, make sure you setallpoints and anchor on the top-left |
| 01:19.23 | kd3 | iirc |
| 01:19.32 | alestane | Accumulating quotative material into a sentence that continues before, after or on both ends of the embedded material obliges the use of some cues. |
| 01:19.33 | kd3 | 's trying to remember wow's resize model |
| 01:19.40 | Dagmar | I *did* actually say to that HS English teacher "We'll see what you think about it in thirty years." |
| 01:19.41 | Kraps | evening |
| 01:19.55 | Dagmar | ...which would make her about 93. |
| 01:20.13 | Lunessa | Oe dead. |
| 01:20.20 | alestane | Is it more critical to represent the content quoted, or the manner of quoting it? |
| 01:20.30 | kd3 | the former |
| 01:20.39 | alestane | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/StartSizing |
| 01:20.46 | Dagmar | It's more important (IMHO) to exactly quote someone when you quote them, or have the good sense to make liberal use of []'s |
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| 01:21.25 | alestane | But should you quote someone as saying, "That's what she said." even though you'd never use a period in the middle of one of your own sentences? |
| 01:21.38 | kd3 | yes |
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| 01:21.48 | Dagmar | I once saw a rather convoluted example of a statement being functionally twisted beyond recognition by partial quotation with commas on the inside. |
| 01:21.55 | alestane | Or the even more awkward "That's what she said.", because it's perfectly accurate? |
| 01:21.57 | Dagmar | Definitely something some loony coder wrote |
| 01:22.07 | alestane | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/StartSizing |
| 01:22.19 | alestane | Doesn't say much. |
| 01:22.20 | kd3 | it's not pretty, but I've done it before in formal papers |
| 01:22.32 | kd3 | my lit professor looked at me funny but didn't mark off |
| 01:22.44 | Dagmar | What's important is that the quotation remains a quotation and not a paraphrase. |
| 01:22.56 | alestane | And I would smack you if I had to grade those. Any style guide explains the widely recognized way to embed such things. |
| 01:22.59 | Kraps | meh revenge nerf /sigh |
| 01:23.23 | OhGrimes | I know I need to anchor it to the top left of the frame |
| 01:23.27 | OhGrimes | Just trying to figure out how. |
| 01:23.33 | DWSR | alestane: Yeah, and? |
| 01:23.38 | DWSR | "widely recognized" != correct. |
| 01:23.58 | Dagmar | Know what? We make the machines that print the books, we write the programs that edit your books, we write the word-processors you use to write the books. WE get to straighten out hte language. |
| 01:24.00 | alestane | Given that it's living language, that is actually the main basis of correctness. |
| 01:24.05 | Dagmar | That there is my argument. :) |
| 01:24.10 | DWSR | ~Dagmar++ |
| 01:24.48 | alestane | Deciding that something is more consistent does not make it more suitable, unless you're a programmer and consistency and disambiguation are your staff of life. |
| 01:24.52 | Lunessa | Good, bad, I'm the guy with the code. |
| 01:25.01 | Dagmar | Up until the advent of computer programming as a hobby, I think English Lit majors actually had no major competitors for the predation of other people's sanity due to excess pedantry. |
| 01:25.21 | Lopeppeppy | Now they obviously do. |
| 01:25.26 | Dagmar | Damn skippy. |
| 01:28.20 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, computer programmers have more of an excuse |
| 01:28.36 | Amarande | after all, how much damage can a typo -actually have- to the meaning of English literature :) |
| 01:28.51 | OhGrimes | Is the default anchor point the bottom right? |
| 01:29.07 | OhGrimes | Er |
| 01:29.07 | OhGrimes | Top left |
| 01:29.08 | alestane | You want to use it in tech documentation or other places where perfect literal representation of text contents are that critical, I think you'll receive far less opposition. But there are, in fact, reasons why our typographic conventions have evolved the way that they have. There are several possible levels or foci of accurate representation, not all of which are mutually compatible, and reasons why one may be preferable. |
| 01:29.16 | alestane | There is no default anchor point. |
| 01:29.52 | OhGrimes | When I resize, it automatically anchors it at the top left |
| 01:29.56 | OhGrimes | I didn't tell it to! |
| 01:30.10 | alestane | I believe that's the basis for dynamic sizing, yes. |
| 01:30.10 | Lunessa | Amarande: *ahem* - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0399244913/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1592400876&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=08GEQWZGT6NQ28F3J3N5 |
| 01:30.21 | alestane | (Slightly different from an anchor point.) |
| 01:30.25 | OhGrimes | Hm. |
| 01:30.43 | OhGrimes | I would like to make it so that it resizes from the top left rather than the bottom right. |
| 01:30.52 | alestane | You may be out of luck. |
| 01:30.59 | alestane | ~api StartSizing |
| 01:31.00 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_StartSizing |
| 01:31.01 | Dagmar | Amarande: Being that legal verbiage as law can have the exact same effect as a typo in a language? |
| 01:31.05 | kd3 | how did I know that was going to point to eats shoots and leaves? |
| 01:31.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean like the infamous URW++ font license? :) |
| 01:31.28 | OhGrimes | That entry doesn't exist |
| 01:31.35 | Dagmar | I mean seriously, how much lunacy has been committed recently about a single f**king comma in the Constitution that results in an undefined meaning... |
| 01:31.54 | Amarande | We know what the URW++ font license *should* have meant, but it's actually a license violation to travel with your laptop if it has their fonts on it. :) |
| 01:31.55 | alestane | Unfortunately, I think purl constructs those automatically. |
| 01:32.05 | Amarande | Because there's a bit where it says you aren't allowed to export the fonts from the *county*. |
| 01:32.12 | Amarande | They meant country, of course, but it in fact says *county*. |
| 01:32.16 | Dagmar | Wheee |
| 01:32.22 | Amarande | Oh, and don't fold the license. There's a bit about when your license privileges "crease." |
| 01:32.32 | alestane | And is there an addendum or correction? |
| 01:32.36 | Dagmar | At least that they can issue a newer, marginally broader version of the licence |
| 01:33.22 | Dagmar | If we tried that with the Constituion we'd probably wind up with free sleeveless redneck shirts |
| 01:33.49 | Dagmar | Everyone would be issued one upon their majority, provided they registered with Selective Service. |
| 01:33.58 | alestane | Nope, it really doesn't exist in WoWWiki. |
| 01:35.17 | alestane | Try 'f:StartSizing("BOTTOMRIGHT")', OhGrimes. |
| 01:35.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: This one is pretty huge actually http://www.guncite.com/second_amendment_commas.html |
| 01:36.06 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean like "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the dress ..." :D |
| 01:36.06 | alestane | The formal documentation doesn't cover it, but what looks like some cached version mention that. |
| 01:36.26 | OhGrimes | alestane: That works. Hooray@! |
| 01:36.43 | Dagmar | This is what happens when you try to parse old code with newer, more speficially written parsers. |
| 01:38.04 | OhGrimes | Now I guess I should add a little tittle-box at the top of the window. Anyone know if there's a place where I can just look through various textures I can use? |
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| 01:38.40 | alestane | ~UIToolkit |
| 01:38.49 | Amarande | OhGrimes: you could always borrow textures from FreeDoom, though then you'd have to convert them to the right format |
| 01:40.03 | alestane | If you extract the interface art using the Blizzard UI Toolkit, you can see which is which. Or if there's one used i the game that you'd like to co-opt, the FrameXML code will direct you to knowing which ones were used for which widgets. |
| 01:44.27 | kd3 | ~ping |
| 01:44.27 | purl | ~pong |
| 01:45.11 | Kraps | youtube got buffed |
| 01:46.26 | Dagmar | Looks like the same pile of steamers to me |
| 01:46.52 | Kraps | hurr |
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| 01:48.49 | Lunessa | You know, I used to dislike Micorsoft's Silverlight, but since Netflix has been using it for streaming, I've been rather impressed with it. |
| 01:49.54 | Dagmar | It's just more embrace and extend bullshit |
| 01:50.22 | Lunessa | Yeah, but at least I can watch movies over the internet from Netflix on my Mac. |
| 01:50.35 | Dagmar | ...but not for your non-monopoly computers. |
| 01:51.14 | Lunessa | At the risk of being a pariah, I don't give a shit about Linux. |
| 01:51.27 | Dagmar | I give a shit about the monopoly. |
| 01:51.43 | Dagmar | Linux can fend for itself just fine under normal circumstances. |
| 01:51.45 | Lunessa | has found a new topic to wind up Dagmar. |
| 01:52.18 | Dagmar | The intellectual property stuff going on is threatening to pretty much make it so that you _can't_ do video over the internet without paying money to a monopolist. |
| 01:52.41 | Dagmar | Frankly, I'd like to see someone from Xiph sue some people |
| 01:53.54 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I'm actually convinced that the 'market' will allow for new computing advances, devices, and cool things to appear and become the mainstream. |
| 01:54.26 | Dagmar | Lunessa: It did, and now the monopolists are, as per usual, looking to make sure no one uses them. |
| 01:55.00 | Lopeppeppy | feeds Lunessa more green M&Ms |
| 01:55.11 | Lunessa | noms M&Ms. |
| 01:55.26 | Amarande | Dagmar: they'll regret it sooner or later, when Microsoft finds that machines stop being made that benefit from new versions of Windows because they stifled all the stuff that would have made people actually want to upgrade :S |
| 01:55.53 | alestane | guts Dagmar for using "as per" without a license. |
| 01:56.04 | Dagmar | Seriously, Theora is pretty much free and clear of any patents, but the h.264 people and the MPEG people FUD about it every chance they get |
| 01:56.46 | Lunessa | Dagmar: And I think they'll lose out. Adobe (Flash), Microsoft (Silverlight, Windows, etc.), Apple (Mac OSX, Macintosh hardware, iEverything) - they're just going to suffer the same way the recording industry is now in a decade or so - I'm unconcerned. |
| 01:56.47 | Amarande | I think the main obstacle to that would probably be the limited codec support of most devices short of a full-blown PC |
| 01:56.51 | alestane | OpenGL has suffered from similar negative press for most of its lifetime as well IIRC. |
| 01:57.17 | Amarande | Use the wrong codec, and next thing you put your burned DVD into the DVD player and find you only get sound. :) |
| 01:57.36 | Amarande | still remembers the time I tried to burn a video from Speed Demos Archive to a DVD for viewing on the TV |
| 01:57.51 | Amarande | I didn't mind my codecs, and ended up only being able to *hear* someone blaze through .hack//Infection in two hours and change. :P |
| 01:58.19 | Dagmar | Well, we've had a very long time now and for reasons that still escape me, media players more commonly support mp3 (which they have to pay someone for) than support ogg, which is completely unencumbered |
| 01:58.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: probably because more people use mp3 music files |
| 01:58.55 | alestane | Because people want them to support MP3, which they commonly recognize and understand. |
| 01:58.56 | Amarande | name a music store that sells oggs, I dare you :) |
| 01:59.02 | alestane | Simple market pressure. |
| 01:59.09 | Dagmar | Ogg costs the manufacturer nothing tho |
| 01:59.17 | alestane | But it won't sell units. |
| 01:59.24 | Dagmar | Doesn't need to. They can do both formats |
| 01:59.29 | alestane | So it costs the manufacturer a lot of sales. |
| 01:59.55 | Dagmar | ...but the Fraun. people fudded like hell over ogg, so I suspect there's more than a little reason to believe the same thing might prove true with Theora |
| 02:00.12 | alestane | For what it's worth, the sprite engine I'm constructing should use Vorbis formats for its media. |
| 02:00.13 | Dagmar | We get screwed, and the people holding the patents on h.264 make a jillion dollars just for lying repeatedly |
| 02:00.39 | Lunessa | BetaMax |
| 02:00.43 | alestane | Exaggerating, more often, although the difference is nebulous. |
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| 02:01.11 | Jerub | i saw some visual comparisons between h264 and ogg theora recently that proved to me pretty conclusively that h264 was the better format. |
| 02:01.20 | alestane | Often regarded as a technically better format, but suffering from a couple implementation limitations. |
| 02:01.31 | alestane | (BetaMax) |
| 02:01.41 | Dagmar | Jerub: Which one is marginally better doesn't really make a damn difference |
| 02:02.28 | alestane | The fact that VHS supported (and implemented support for) variable-speed recording and playback was one of several factors that helped sweep BetaMax under the rug IIRC. |
| 02:02.48 | alestane | (My grandmother might still own a BetaMax player, although I'm not sure it still works.) |
| 02:03.05 | Dagmar | VHS did things to make itself superiour, which IMHO makes it a deserved gain of market-share. |
| 02:03.42 | Dagmar | Doing nothing but casting undeserved aspertions about other people's work is *not* beneficial to anyone, and therefore doesn't deserve anything but contempt |
| 02:04.24 | Jerub | Dagmar: i'll dig it up if you want, but the gist of it is that h264 is slightly better than twice as good for half the bitrate. |
| 02:04.34 | Jerub | ... i phrased that really poorly. |
| 02:04.40 | DWSR | yes |
| 02:04.49 | Jerub | h264 at 500kbit was visially slightly better than theora at 1000kbit |
| 02:05.11 | Dagmar | Jerub: Except... If you don't want to leave yourself open to an a**-f**king later, you can't use it |
| 02:05.18 | Jerub | which is basically a problem at exactly the point that matters most. bitrate. |
| 02:05.25 | OhGrimes | Hm. When I resize a window, I have to make the stuff which can no longer fit in the window go invisible |
| 02:05.33 | Jerub | Dagmar: it's not a personal assfucking. |
| 02:05.41 | Dagmar | The h.264 people are flat out saying that right now they're _not_ pursuing licencing fees, but that they _will_ |
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| 02:06.34 | Dagmar | This is a bit like meeting someone on the street who offers you some "candy" and then tells you "Well, if you start to like it and can't live without it, then I'll decide how much I should start charging you for it." |
| 02:06.49 | Dagmar | People who aren't dumb as rocks walk away |
| 02:06.59 | Amarande | "HEROIN SOLD HERE - First shot free" |
| 02:07.46 | Dagmar | Yeah, it's pretty unethical IMHO for them to be pushing themselves as a "free" standard for video on the internet while simultaneously saying that two years from now is when they'll decide if hte entire internet should be paying them money to do video |
| 02:08.18 | Dagmar | ...so, with respect to streaming video, bit rate doesn't mean shit if you can't afford the licence. |
| 02:08.24 | Dagmar | Bandwidth just keeps getting _cheaper_ |
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| 02:08.48 | Dagmar | ...despite what the cable companies and telcos would like you to believe. |
| 02:09.29 | OhGrimes | Is there an API command to check for a frame leaving another frame? |
| 02:10.02 | OhGrimes | I can resize the window, but all the buttons stay where they are. Looks a bit strange. |
| 02:10.33 | Jerub | Dagmar: as an end user consumer i don't give a crap because i am, and always have been, untouchable. |
| 02:10.41 | Jerub | they go after encoders and phsyical device manufacturer. |
| 02:10.50 | Jerub | they don't care about beatnik hippy pirate media watchers like me |
| 02:10.52 | Dagmar | Which means fewer toys for you |
| 02:10.57 | WobWork | OhGrimes: no |
| 02:11.09 | Dagmar | Jerub: See also RIAA suits. It's only a matter of time. |
| 02:11.37 | WobWork | Jerub: you beatnik hippy pirate! |
| 02:12.40 | Dagmar | I'm serious about that tho. It might take ten more years, but at some point they're going to go after users of devices which infringe |
| 02:13.07 | Dagmar | There's actually some case precedent for it (Hu card programmers and Direct/Dish as just one) |
| 02:13.44 | Amarande | heh, how long do you think before there will be pressure for what used to be degree law classes to become standard school curriculum |
| 02:13.52 | Dagmar | I actually know one guy who got popped just because he wanted to do smartcard work, and figured the fact that dish providers were using them would mean he could probably get cards cheaper |
| 02:13.57 | Amarande | just so people who graduate normal schools can live life without getting themselves sued over something stupid? :) |
| 02:14.09 | Dagmar | So, regardless of whether or not he was working on his own project, he still gets sued for being a video pirate |
| 02:14.52 | Amarande | I've joked at times that at the rate things are going legal-wise in this country, in a few years or decades next thing you won't be able to even walk outside your front door without first calling a lawyer to ensure that the manner in which you are doing so is okay :) |
| 02:15.13 | Dagmar | Wired's got a story this week about a bunch of _independent_ (by which I mean, "crappy") movie producers launching their own RIAA-style "sue all bittorrent users" campaign |
| 02:16.04 | WobWork | then they did the research |
| 02:16.11 | WobWork | and found noone was downloading their movies |
| 02:16.11 | Dagmar | Amarande: I figure we'll see all smokers sued in a class-action on behalf of everyone else on hte planet |
| 02:16.11 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm still waiting to hear about WoW players getting inadvertently banned from the Internet in countries like the UK where they're planning on launching anti-piracy laws that basically give on-accusation, assumed-guilty punishment to people accused of pirating |
| 02:16.20 | Amarande | after all, WoW uses BT for patching, if I recall |
| 02:16.29 | WobWork | those hippies! |
| 02:16.35 | Dagmar | Amarande: I'm thinking that'll probably fail very quickly, if it manages to become a law at all |
| 02:17.01 | WobWork | Australia will list BT files as RC =( |
| 02:17.03 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuBz0hwQGx0 |
| 02:17.13 | Amarande | Or, more significantly, if large percentages of the Internet just flat out find themselves unable to patch WoW because of BT blocking by ISPs/governments |
| 02:17.24 | Dagmar | Unless basically hell freezes over and the private sector actually makes a serious and diligent effort to identify the *correct* infringers |
| 02:17.33 | Amarande | and then Blizzard will have to revert to traditional HTTP patch downloads, and probably end up having to jack up the monthly fee to cover the price :P |
| 02:17.58 | Dagmar | That stuff is just going to result in a few thousand people having no internet porns to keep them busy and say, not throwing large rocks at Parliament |
| 02:18.45 | Dagmar | Never a good idea to take a large number of people's opiate away all at once |
| 02:21.32 | Dagmar | ...or give htem some reason to be outraged about it. |
| 02:22.02 | Dagmar | See also, the tenfold larger number of war protestors in the Bay Area, because 90% of the place was out of work |
| 02:22.43 | Shadowed | to be fair |
| 02:22.48 | Shadowed | the Bay Area is full of crazy people |
| 02:22.56 | Shadowed | which helps a lot |
| 02:23.07 | OhGrimes | Hmmm... Not sure if I can do this. |
| 02:23.21 | OhGrimes | There's no API function I can find which checks of a frame is still within the bounds of another frame. |
| 02:23.31 | OhGrimes | Parent frame, in this case |
| 02:23.42 | Dagmar | Shadowed: Yeah, but _ten times_ the number of protestors is just unreal. |
| 02:24.00 | Dagmar | Seriously, no joke, thirty-five THOUSAND people milling about at one point. |
| 02:24.14 | Dagmar | ...while New York was sitting at around 11,000. |
| 02:24.40 | alestane | No, OhGrimes, but you can get the boundaries of the frames and compare them. |
| 02:25.04 | alestane | GetRect or GetLeft/Right/Top/Bottom. |
| 02:25.48 | Lunessa | Kraps: I lawled |
| 02:25.49 | OhGrimes | That'll be a bit of a challenging to work in. There's going to be about 10 buttons, and I want the window to be resizable so that you can shrink it down to a small square. |
| 02:25.58 | Dagmar | Shadowed: Mind you ten times in proportion to the population of the area |
| 02:26.07 | OhGrimes | But if a button leaves the frame, it still shows. So it's pointless righ tnow. |
| 02:29.04 | Shadowed | yea |
| 02:29.08 | OhGrimes | I don't think GetRect would work since it measures the distance from the screen's edges... Ugh this is going to be complicated |
| 02:29.13 | Shadowed | I was in SF during some of the protests, it was interesting |
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| 02:32.50 | Dagmar | yeah at first I was a little confused becasue there's a lot of "crazies" there but not THAT damn many, and then I remembered, "Oh yeah, 3/4 of the whole f**king place is unemployed..." |
| 02:33.01 | Dagmar | I wound up calling it quits and leaving in early 2002 |
| 02:33.21 | Dagmar | Seeing downtown SF on a Friday at 5:00pm with *no* traffic was just scary shit |
| 02:33.23 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean when the dot-com economy went bust? |
| 02:33.37 | Amarande | man, I'm glad I wasn't doing IT work those days |
| 02:33.38 | Dagmar | Amarande: More like the venture capitalist economy |
| 02:33.48 | Amarande | tries to imagine people going from cushy jobs with nice apartments to sleeping on the BART |
| 02:33.56 | Dagmar | THe dotcoms didn't have a damn thing to do with the fact that there were too many greedy people with more money than sense |
| 02:34.09 | Amarande | well, the dotcoms *were* the guys with revenue-free business models :) |
| 02:34.16 | Amarande | that usually doesn't work well heh |
| 02:34.25 | Dagmar | Amarande: Considering that most of them moved there from somewhere else to begin with, most of them just moved *back* |
| 02:34.44 | Dagmar | Hey *we* had a revenue model |
| 02:35.01 | Dagmar | It wasn't our fault that asian money was worth about as much as rice |
| 02:35.16 | Amarande | "And now you can buy our product for FIVE TONS OF FLAX!" |
| 02:35.38 | OhGrimes | I... Don't think I've actually seen a mod which lets you resize a movable window |
| 02:35.41 | OhGrimes | That has buttons in it |
| 02:35.44 | Dagmar | Amarand: Actually, Korea, Taipei, and one other place I can't remember actually did buy the facilities we built for almost nothing |
| 02:35.49 | Dagmar | K-mart-sized machine rooms |
| 02:36.08 | Amarande | Hopefully they're not now North Korean nuke building sites. :D |
| 02:36.22 | Dagmar | Turns out that you would be lucky to get fifty bucks an hour for computer security consulting in Korea, let alone $200/hour |
| 02:36.30 | Dagmar | Nah we had absolutely nothing in NK |
| 02:36.43 | Amarande | eh. even fifty bucks an hour isn't something to sneeze at :) |
| 02:36.52 | Dagmar | We built like the third largest data center in Seoul tho |
| 02:37.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: In the US, fifty bucks an hour will maybe get someone to replace your floppy drive, _provided_ someone else did the diagnosis first |
| 02:37.39 | Dagmar | Security consulting, even firewall configuration, starts at three to four times that |
| 02:38.12 | Kraps | i totally thought this was real until i read the comments! http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/paragon-and-premonition-will-merge-for-cataclysm/ |
| 02:38.20 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.37 | Dagmar | It's hard to explain to those people that just because you're only paying the man burning SAGE over your servers in your data center twenty bucks an hour, doesn't necessariloy mean you're getting a good deal on your computer security needs. |
| 02:38.38 | Amarande | Dagmar: and apparently people who charge significantly less for any reason get utterly crucified :| |
| 02:39.04 | Amarande | Between the companies that think that if it's cheap, it's not good enough, and the rest of the industry who tries to tar and feather you as the guy who's going to put them on the streets :P |
| 02:39.13 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yes, because it's not possible to keep up the certifications and stuff necessary to stay current without being paid at least $150 an hour or so |
| 02:39.34 | Amarande | That, I could possibly understand. |
| 02:39.38 | Dagmar | Those who are charging less than that tend to be the types who burn sage over the server |
| 02:39.50 | Amarande | Given that when I'm in my friendly neighborhood Borders I note that the computer books tend to go for 50-60 apiece |
| 02:39.56 | Amarande | and heavens knows how many books you have to pore over to get a cert |
| 02:40.16 | Dagmar | When you're consulting you'r enot charging people for the time you spend with them, you're charging them for the time you _didn't_ spend with them so you'd be qualified to talk to them at all |
| 02:40.33 | Dagmar | Amarande: The stuff for a CISSP alone is a stack of books as tall as you are |
| 02:40.48 | Amarande | Yeah, I'd probably not make a good professional consultant currently. |
| 02:41.27 | Amarande | Now putting together a PC and installing Windows and checking to see if things work, that I can do like a champ. Except for the extra half hour because I invariably forget to plug one stupid little cable in :P |
| 02:41.35 | Dagmar | This knowledge and skill doesn't appear out of thin air. The consultant has to earn them on their "own" time, with their "own" money. |
| 02:41.56 | Dagmar | Even if they're having to file their taxes as if they were an LLC employing themselves as their sole employee |
| 02:42.10 | Dagmar | ...which kind of sums it up actually. |
| 02:42.15 | Amarande | And since *that* I mainly learned through always building my own desktops over the years, PC building is something I can do quite well without really having made a business-like investment into learning |
| 02:42.38 | Dagmar | Amarande: yeah but does it tend to undergo complete transformations in the space of a year or two? |
| 02:43.32 | Amarande | Not the kind you really have to relearn, that I've seen. :) |
| 02:43.37 | Dagmar | There at least, an A+ is silly but it makes someone mostly qualified |
| 02:43.50 | Amarande | And most of the particularly complicated building stuff seems to have gone away with ATX. |
| 02:43.52 | Dagmar | I'm not joking about the stack of books for the CISSP tho |
| 02:44.12 | Dagmar | Yeah thank god for just software-based interrupt signaling alone |
| 02:44.14 | Amarande | And I hear CCIE practically requires one the size of a room |
| 02:44.44 | Dagmar | LAst I heard it did acutally require you to pretty much fix a room full of broken shit with a time limit |
| 02:44.56 | Amarande | not to mention the several thousand dollars worth of high end hardware you probably have to buy to get practice on it if you don't have a company training you |
| 02:44.57 | Thunder_Child | more than fix |
| 02:45.40 | Thunder_Child | it's a huge stack of electronics with the command to 'make a working network for xxx within xxx and xxx' |
| 02:45.42 | Amarande | OTOH, after that you're probably ready to have an OC-12 in your own home ... well assuming you hit a 200 million Powerball so you can pay for the monthly fee :) |
| 02:45.54 | Amarande | Thunder: so basically Iron Chef with hardware? :) |
| 02:46.03 | Thunder_Child | worse |
| 02:46.53 | Adys | Hello, Thunder_Child |
| 02:47.06 | Thunder_Child | Adys |
| 02:47.13 | Dagmar | Being that computer security consulting is like being a fireman called to help put out a burning barn, only to arrive on the scene to see that the horses died of starvation years ago, THEN the barn burned to the ground, and you were actually called because they smelled the smoke from the neihbor's grill, I have no intention of getting involved in high-end network consulting |
| 02:47.16 | Adys | what the fuck do you want |
| 02:47.30 | Dagmar | I have seen almost nothing BUT nightmarish rat's nests in most office's network topology |
| 02:47.33 | Thunder_Child | nothing, i was responding to you |
| 02:47.55 | Amarande | Dagmar: the place I work at work when I'm in the Scanning department is also the network heart for the store. Yeah, it's pretty much a rat's nest. :) |
| 02:48.01 | Amarande | I remember it used to be worse, but it's still pretty chaotic heh |
| 02:48.23 | Amarande | and why oh why do they call the main network server computer the ISP :| |
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| 02:48.29 | Amarande | an ISP is a company, not a machine :S |
| 02:48.31 | Dagmar | "You know what you do? You *burn this office to the ground* and when you rebuild it, have some responsible people design your network topology." |
| 02:48.42 | Amarande | of course, this is all IBM shit so they can't ever use normal terminology |
| 02:48.49 | Amarande | no "reboot" here ... gotta call it "IPL" to look fancy |
| 02:48.52 | Dagmar | Even the small gigs I did were insane |
| 02:49.09 | Dagmar | I show up on site to do the last bits of setting up a simple ten-workstation ethernet network... |
| 02:49.14 | Dagmar | Two of the machines have token ring cards. |
| 02:49.28 | Amarande | Half our network at work is Token Ring. |
| 02:49.32 | Dagmar | Oh, and some rocket scientist ran cat 3 cable in a star configuration. |
| 02:49.40 | Amarande | At one point when I was running Linux and the store was getting rid of a thin client I was considering seeing if I could obtain it on the cheap. |
| 02:49.49 | Amarande | Then I remembered those thin clients only use TR. |
| 02:49.51 | Amarande | Fail. |
| 02:49.57 | Dagmar | Two runs each, which means he somehow thought he was doing token ring over ethernet. |
| 02:50.57 | Dagmar | I have also been on sites where some delightfully intellectually unencumbered individual simply ran *one* strand of coax to each location in a star configuration |
| 02:51.15 | Dagmar | ...for token ring. Gotta love it. |
| 02:51.28 | Amarande | Coax? I thought that was for 10Base-2 |
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| 02:51.51 | Amarande | Even our token ring connections at work all look like they're cat5 cables, or at least some sort of "fat phone jacks" type cables |
| 02:52.14 | Dagmar | Amarande: Right now I'm no longer even sure WTF they thought they were doing, but I do remember it being hellishly, impossibly wrong, and me being furious about it because I was doing them a favor |
| 02:52.49 | Dagmar | Token ring can run over coax last I checked |
| 02:53.00 | Amarande | Of course here at home I have a fugly 50 foot grey cable running out of my room and the length of the hallway then downstairs to the machines there |
| 02:53.11 | Dagmar | It's been awhile tho and it would be hard for me to care less about TR now so I might be getting details mussed |
| 02:53.14 | Amarande | but that's because when I tried wireless, the connection would fail horribly downstairs after a few minutes at a time |
| 02:53.18 | Dagmar | I do remember two BNC connections per machine |
| 02:53.28 | Amarande | and the folks won't let me drill through the walls LOL |
| 02:54.04 | Dagmar | I also remember stumbling across debugging options in a driver once that allowed me to always drop other people's tokens, which i thoguth was just hilarious |
| 02:54.53 | Dagmar | At first I didn't believe it, then I said "what the hell, let's see what happens" and then spend about a minute watching the whole office do a groundhog impression over their cubicle walls |
| 02:56.47 | Kraps | heh http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13600-SpellFlash.html |
| 02:58.15 | OhGrimes | I'm trying to make a button which hides the child-frame. |
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| 03:11.59 | OhGrimes | Anyone see why this wouldn't work? :-/ |
| 03:11.59 | OhGrimes | http://pastebin.com/c8qvPNex |
| 03:13.15 | Amarande | "Apple legally prohibits the use of I-Tunes for the creation of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons." |
| 03:22.02 | WobWork | Amarande: "There's an app for that!" |
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| 03:22.53 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if quantum rift generators count as "nuclear" |
| 03:23.14 | WobWork | OhGrimes: what's 'f'? |
| 03:23.29 | WobWork | oh |
| 03:23.31 | WobWork | hm |
| 03:24.11 | WobWork | you sure you don't want f:IsVisible() ? |
| 03:24.25 | Torhal | WobWork: He does |
| 03:24.28 | OhGrimes | I thought I did that |
| 03:24.39 | WobWork | you did f.IsVisible() |
| 03:25.05 | Torhal | He also wants to name his variables in such a way that a year from now he can read his own code, and other people won't want to punch him when he asks if something looks right. |
| 03:25.08 | OhGrimes | My goal is to have that button hide the frame |
| 03:25.14 | OhGrimes | Or show the frame |
| 03:25.15 | Lunessa | Amarande: Remote control of your T.A.R.D.I.S. - there's an app for that. |
| 03:25.31 | OhGrimes | This is a very simple mod. |
| 03:25.36 | OhGrimes | It's not a big project. |
| 03:25.44 | OhGrimes | It's just a sound-board. |
| 03:25.56 | OhGrimes | Shared across the party. |
| 03:26.01 | Jerub | i love the bit at the end of the most recent series where he uses his key as a remote access blipper for the TARDIS |
| 03:26.09 | Jerub | but it's still just a metal key. |
| 03:26.23 | Dagmar | Jerub: That was pretty funny, actually. :) |
| 03:26.28 | Lunessa | Jerub: I'm catching up - I just wrapped Season 4 thanks to Netflix. |
| 03:26.40 | Amarande | "Do not attempt to eat iPod Shuffle" |
| 03:26.40 | Dagmar | Seeing the TARDIS go "whoop-boop" and flash twice |
| 03:26.45 | OhGrimes | So can you guys see any reason why clicking that button |
| 03:26.51 | OhGrimes | Would not hide the frame "f"? |
| 03:27.00 | WobWork | OhGrimes: perhaps for the reason I stated above? |
| 03:27.12 | OhGrimes | Sorry let me read back. |
| 03:27.37 | OhGrimes | Oh god. Stupid mistake. |
| 03:27.43 | OhGrimes | I'm used to C++ syntax. |
| 03:28.04 | WobWork | You'll never make that mistake again =) |
| 03:28.30 | OhGrimes | Though it still doesn't work. :-/ |
| 03:29.39 | Lunessa | TTFN. |
| 03:29.42 | WobWork | put in a debug statement to see if you're actually hitting the function |
| 03:30.07 | Torhal | That also isn't your entire code, since it doesn't show where/how f is defined |
| 03:30.44 | WobWork | I'm assuming that f is the parent of the button |
| 03:30.46 | OhGrimes | Nope. Function isn't being called on. Hold on. I'll do a better paste-bin |
| 03:31.00 | WobWork | but you know what they say about assumptions |
| 03:31.11 | OhGrimes | Actually, what I did was a little different. |
| 03:31.19 | OhGrimes | I want the button to remain visible |
| 03:31.35 | OhGrimes | When f is invisible. |
| 03:31.55 | OhGrimes | So I made the button the parent. <:-] |
| 03:32.01 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/ |
| 03:32.02 | OhGrimes | One sec I"ll clean up the variables and post a more complete paste. |
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| 03:36.15 | Dagmar | OhGrimes: Don't be afraid to make your code spam the crap out of the chat window. It's not like it's hard to do a global search and obliterate for lines with "NOOBDEBUG:" in them |
| 03:39.45 | OhGrimes | http://pastebin.com/89Y4ecKY |
| 03:39.50 | OhGrimes | Here is a cleaned up version. |
| 03:39.59 | OhGrimes | Except for b... |
| 03:40.16 | OhGrimes | b is the button which controls the hiding and showing of the mainFrame. |
| 03:41.10 | OhGrimes | Hm. Need to make a couple of changes. |
| 03:42.00 | Torhal | !api IsShown |
| 03:42.02 | lua_bot | VisibleRegion:IsShown: Returns whether the region is shown (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/VisibleRegion/IsShown) |
| 03:46.27 | OhGrimes | I'll paste a new one that isn't awful in a sec. |
| 03:48.03 | recluse | always forgets and leaves debug spam active in releases. |
| 03:48.25 | Kraps | http://www.onpointradio.org/media-player?url=http://www.onpointradio.org/2010/03/warcraft-civilization&title=%26%238216%3BWarcraft%26%238217%3B+Civilization&pubdate=2010-03-30&segment=2 |
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| 03:49.48 | OhGrimes | Hm... |
| 03:52.17 | OhGrimes | http://pastebin.com/qmWpPRan Best I got. |
| 03:52.38 | OhGrimes | I want to make fVisible a button which is attatched to mainFrame |
| 03:52.56 | OhGrimes | But when fVisible is clicked, mainFrame goes invisible while fVisible doesn't. |
| 03:54.45 | recluse | fVisible is parented to UIParent, if it were parented to mainFrame, it would auto-hide when parent hides |
| 03:55.41 | recluse | You'll have to either change the parent to mainFrame, or call fVisible:Hide() explicitly in addition. |
| 03:56.27 | OhGrimes | Well I don't want fVisible to hide ever. |
| 03:57.34 | OhGrimes | I want them to be physically attached and move together, but I want fVisible to click and hide the frame. |
| 03:57.54 | recluse | oh, i interpreted your statement wrong |
| 03:58.06 | recluse | Ah. |
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| 03:58.31 | recluse | SetPoint() will get your fVisible to move with mainFrame |
| 03:59.18 | recluse | fVisible:SetPoint(foo, mainFrame, bar, x, y) |
| 03:59.21 | OhGrimes | As if right now, the button doesn't do anything. |
| 03:59.26 | OhGrimes | Which is the biggest problem. |
| 03:59.28 | OhGrimes | *as of |
| 03:59.52 | OhGrimes | Clicking fVisible doesn't actually call upon hideshow() |
| 04:00.42 | recluse | ah |
| 04:01.00 | WobWork | your buttongenerator calls need to pass strings as names |
| 04:01.03 | WobWork | not variable names |
| 04:01.08 | WobWork | unless you've defined the variables earlier |
| 04:01.29 | OhGrimes | buttonGenerator actually works fine. |
| 04:01.51 | OhGrimes | It does pass strings as names I think. |
| 04:01.58 | OhGrimes | sb1 sb2 coos1 coos 2 coos3 |
| 04:01.58 | WobWork | you're still passing in variables as names rather than strings |
| 04:02.03 | WobWork | "sb1" |
| 04:02.06 | WobWork | "sb2" |
| 04:02.07 | OhGrimes | Hm. Good point. |
| 04:02.44 | Arathros | god its annoying waiting for respawns so i can get the last rep i need lol |
| 04:02.44 | OhGrimes | Okay that's fixed. |
| 04:02.58 | OhGrimes | Still theproblem of the button. |
| 04:03.10 | OhGrimes | Not hiding or showing mainFrame |
| 04:04.15 | Dagmar | So put debug statements in the code to make it say something to the chat window when it hits that point in the code. |
| 04:04.38 | OhGrimes | I did. |
| 04:04.39 | OhGrimes | Doesn't. |
| 04:04.44 | OhGrimes | It's not hitting the function at all. |
| 04:04.59 | Dagmar | So then that point in the code is not being reached and that the windows visibility doesn't change should not be coming as a suprise to you.\ |
| 04:05.09 | OhGrimes | It isn't. |
| 04:05.12 | OhGrimes | I just have no idea how to fix it. |
| 04:05.17 | Dagmar | Where's the _last_ point it was in according to your debug statements? |
| 04:05.56 | Dagmar | Seriously man, when you're working with code you are really unsure of, it's completely *fine* to have it literally echo every single statement that gets run to a display window somewhere so you can see what it's doing as it does it |
| 04:06.26 | recluse | there's not much more that can be displayed in this case |
| 04:06.55 | Dagmar | yes there is. |
| 04:06.57 | recluse | button:SetScript("OnClick", function() print("beep") end) |
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| 04:07.19 | Dagmar | I'd have it ... yeah... that... start at the root of it. Whether or not it registered the button click is the start |
| 04:08.36 | recluse | i'm also pretty sure there's no need to call button:EnableMouse(true) |
| 04:08.58 | OhGrimes | I just did that since it wasn't working. |
| 04:09.05 | OhGrimes | So I figured I'd try anything. |
| 04:09.20 | Dagmar | Do you know for sure whether or not it caught the mouseclick? |
| 04:09.24 | Iriel | OhGrimes: Did you get your addon message working last night? |
| 04:09.43 | recluse | wait a minute |
| 04:10.01 | recluse | button:RegisterForClicks("LeftButtonUp") <- needs the Up |
| 04:10.23 | recluse | or Down if you like |
| 04:10.39 | Dagmar | moar debug statements |
| 04:11.29 | Dagmar | I know it seems like a bunch of wasted typing, but like I said earlier it's _easy_ to undo and in the meantime it will eliminate (or at least greatly reduce) the amount and number of unknowns about why the code doesn't do what it's supposed to |
| 04:11.52 | OhGrimes | Iriel: The thing I was working on last night worked fine! |
| 04:12.01 | Dagmar | You click button, nothing happens, therefore you know clicks not worky work |
| 04:12.09 | OhGrimes | Yep. |
| 04:12.16 | Dagmar | You click button, see message saying "I HAS BEEN CLIX" you know button worky |
| 04:12.27 | Dagmar | (not insulting you with the lolcatspeak, jus tbeing silly) |
| 04:13.07 | Dagmar | Heck i wrote one two nights ago that emits "AMG A TERRURIST" |
| 04:13.37 | recluse | lol |
| 04:13.45 | OhGrimes | Hm. Still doesn't work with LeftButtonUp |
| 04:14.00 | OhGrimes | Do I need to Register LeftButtonUp and LeftButton and LeftButtonDown? |
| 04:14.02 | Iriel | Pastey it? |
| 04:14.20 | recluse | nah, just the click types you want |
| 04:14.45 | OhGrimes | http://pastebin.com/cwhwxEzU |
| 04:15.05 | OhGrimes | I'm most likely making a pretty obvious mistake somewhere :-/ |
| 04:15.18 | Iriel | Line 10 and 13 are the wrong way around |
| 04:15.19 | Dagmar | recluse: I'm guessing (although I've not tested yet) you were recommending binding to buttonup for those times when someone has an "o wait" moment and will then try to slyly drag the mouse pointer away from the object before letting up? |
| 04:15.24 | Iriel | that is your obvious mistake |
| 04:15.36 | recluse | can you try with 'then' on the same line as your 'if mainFrame:IsVisible()'? |
| 04:16.08 | OhGrimes | Yep. That is the obvious mistake. |
| 04:16.23 | recluse | doh! |
| 04:16.29 | Dagmar | It happens |
| 04:16.57 | recluse | Dagmar: lol, i do like doing that, but never thought about doing it for that reason expressly |
| 04:17.52 | Dagmar | recluse: Yeah, I kinda clued into doing things that way long ago when I was writing a BPM counter |
| 04:18.31 | Dagmar | ..not specifically up on the counter becasue that would have been useless, but definitely keeping in mind that if you can hook both up and down, you can generally get more use out of them |
| 04:18.31 | OhGrimes | Eureka it works. |
| 04:19.50 | Dagmar | for the record I wound up doing things with buttonup in that case that would let me automatically note if the track in question used a swing beat kinda thing |
| 04:21.17 | OhGrimes | Hm. Now I just have to have the fVisible bound to the top left of mainFrame |
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| 04:24.07 | OhGrimes | mainFrame is the child of fVisible in my code, isn't it? :-/ |
| 04:24.48 | recluse | i thought it was |
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| 04:25.19 | OhGrimes | Nevermind I got it. |
| 04:25.20 | OhGrimes | Hooray |
| 04:31.36 | Amarande | you know |
| 04:31.38 | Amarande | this part of Mummy 4 |
| 04:31.41 | Amarande | where they're in the snowy area |
| 04:31.49 | Amarande | the part with the gold tone buildings and such reminds me of stormpeaks |
| 04:35.55 | Jerub | 4? |
| 04:35.57 | Jerub | there was a 4? |
| 04:36.23 | Dagmar | Might have been a "straight-to-the-bargain-bin" release |
| 04:36.56 | Thunder_Child | it was three that was in asia |
| 04:37.54 | Zyn | bah, finally did what I should've done eons ago: disabled hotlinking ... looking over my statistics, I go "boy that's a lot of websites I never heard of" and notice most is crap/torrent sites .. enjoy your annoying .gif image |
| 04:38.05 | Dagmar | wtf |
| 04:38.36 | Dagmar | If it's "Mummy 4: Rise of the Aztec" you might want to keep the details under your hat. |
| 04:38.45 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.53 | Amarande | I'm not exactly sure which one it is then |
| 04:38.58 | Amarande | it's a Mummy movie and it's on one of the cable channels now |
| 04:39.02 | Thunder_Child | number 3 Amarande |
| 04:39.06 | Dagmar | Ah okay |
| 04:39.20 | Adys | Wowhead stole my april's fools |
| 04:39.20 | Adys | :( |
| 04:39.22 | Amarande | and these gold toned buildings in snow -definitely- remind me of the Storm Peaks |
| 04:41.28 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/1337/ |
| 04:41.29 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=1337 |
| 04:41.32 | Adys | I'm not pleased |
| 04:44.11 | Jerub | Adys: oh noes. copycat item jokes. |
| 04:44.22 | Shadowed | the cake in the background is a nice touch |
| 04:44.32 | IShirik | Kraps |
| 04:44.33 | IShirik | omg |
| 04:44.40 | Adys | thank you Shadowed! |
| 04:45.00 | IShirik | Kraps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Thing_That_Should_Not_Be/AFRfA#42 |
| 04:46.07 | Thunder_Child | IShirik? |
| 04:47.01 | IShirik | an interface to Shirik |
| 04:48.20 | Dagmar | He's threatning Jimbo. |
| 04:48.24 | Dagmar | This is srius |
| 04:48.56 | Jerub | yay, my wife is mentioned on wikipedia! |
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| 04:49.34 | Dagmar | Good going. Now she can be a centerfold for Encylopedia Dramatica |
| 04:49.45 | IShirik | your wife? |
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| 04:54.28 | IShirik | DON'T IGNORE ME JERUB |
| 04:55.00 | Jerub | IShirik: the null question you didn't ask has stumped me. |
| 04:55.02 | Jerub | yes. my wife. |
| 04:55.09 | IShirik | (00:49:34) (@IShirik) your wife?(00:49:34) (@IShirik) your wife?(00:49:34) (@IShirik) your wife?(00:49:34) (@IShirik) your wife?(00:49:34) (@IShirik) your wife?(00:49:34) (@IShirik) your wife?(00:49:34) (@IShirik) your wife?(00:49:34) (@IShirik) your wife?(00:49:34) (@IShirik) your wife?(00:49:34) (@IShirik) your wife? |
| 04:55.49 | Thunder_Child | 'your wife' to be fair is not a complete question |
| 04:56.04 | IShirik | only not in english |
| 04:56.23 | Thunder_Child | lol @ teh aussies http://google-au.blogspot.com/2010/04/maps-just-got-occa.html |
| 04:57.34 | Adys | Shadowed |
| 04:57.39 | Shadowed | Adys |
| 04:57.51 | IShirik | rofl Thunder_Child |
| 04:58.00 | Jerub | IShirik: i still don't know what you asked. |
| 04:58.14 | IShirik | your wife has a page on wikipedia? |
| 04:58.27 | WobWork | Jerub: IShirik was portraying disbelief that your wife was in wikipedia |
| 04:58.34 | Jerub | no, she's referred to on the linux australia page. |
| 04:58.37 | Jerub | oooh, right |
| 04:58.51 | Jerub | she's listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Australia |
| 04:58.55 | IShirik | oh |
| 04:59.07 | Shadowed | James Turnbull Jerub?! |
| 04:59.35 | Thunder_Child | hah "Results 1 - 10 of about 54,200 for blorb. (2.00 shakes of a lamb's tail) " |
| 05:00.54 | kd3 | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/03/google-annotations-gallery.html |
| 05:01.19 | Dagmar | You know, if I didn't actually know a bunch of aussies I might think that Google joke was funny |
| 05:01.23 | Thunder_Child | http://www.google.co.nz has the amusing sreach return times |
| 05:01.37 | Thunder_Child | i do know some aussies, and i do think it's funny |
| 05:01.48 | Thunder_Child | it's also done by aussies |
| 05:02.16 | Dagmar | Problem being that this OCCA is the kind of stuff they do _already_ |
| 05:02.40 | Dagmar | "Oh, so Google now has their engine looking for localized slang to give results? Okay..." |
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| 05:02.43 | Jerub | Dagmar: it's actualyl very serious. all the abbreviations on that page would be used in day to day conversation. |
| 05:02.53 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma0kX4wb4So >.< |
| 05:02.55 | WobWork | yeah.. you just head down past the bottleo, hang a uuey, then go left past the pub... |
| 05:03.11 | Jerub | what's really offensive is stuff like using quaint north americanisms in australia, like we had a google logo for the first day of 'fall' |
| 05:03.24 | WobWork | fall? |
| 05:03.31 | WobWork | that's what you do when you're drunk |
| 05:03.45 | Dagmar | Jerub: They're based in North America and that's the weather they have, suck it up. |
| 05:03.57 | Jerub | Dagmar: but it was to commemorate australia's autumn |
| 05:04.00 | WobWork | They have offices in australia =P |
| 05:04.13 | WobWork | Google Maps was developed, mostly in Australia =P |
| 05:04.14 | Jerub | WobWork: i know, that's why it was fixed by 1pm ;) |
| 05:04.36 | Dagmar | Still, joke which sounds too much like normal press release == not very funny |
| 05:04.53 | Jerub | Dagmar: we think it's funny. |
| 05:04.54 | Dagmar | Might as well be a bunch of accountants saying "Hey we're going to release statistics reports!" |
| 05:05.02 | Dagmar | "No! You don't say!" |
| 05:05.12 | Jerub | we don't need a laugh track to tell us what's funny and what's not ;) |
| 05:05.30 | Dagmar | Dude, I've got Chrome looking at the language encodings and offering to translate websites for me now |
| 05:05.48 | Dagmar | Having the search engine itself use a slang filter just isn't all that oddball |
| 05:05.53 | WobWork | Jerub: what made me sad was http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/government-tech-policy/38033-conroy-announces-end-to-australian-filter-plan-madness |
| 05:06.25 | WobWork | cause I so want it to be true =( |
| 05:07.05 | Jerub | someone had a thing about google pulling out of .au over the filter |
| 05:07.08 | Thunder_Child | http://www.nihilum.eu/news/298-Cataclysm_Alpha |
| 05:07.34 | WobWork | http://www.zdnet.com.au/google-to-leave-australia-over-evil-filter-339302180.htm |
| 05:07.50 | Thunder_Child | http://www.starbucks.com/blog/10113/starbucks-listens-to-customer-request-for-more-sizes.aspx |
| 05:10.57 | IShirik | lua> ("%q"):format("fe ce s") |
| 05:10.57 | lua_bot | IShirik: "fe ce s" |
| 05:11.00 | IShirik | ... |
| 05:11.01 | IShirik | failure |
| 05:11.39 | IShirik | lua> for k,v in ("fe ce s"):gmatch(".") do print(v:byte()) end |
| 05:11.40 | lua_bot | IShirik: luabot:1: attempt to index local 'v' (a nil value) |
| 05:12.00 | IShirik | lua> for k,v in ("fe ce s"):gmatch(".") do print(k:byte()) end |
| 05:12.03 | lua_bot | IShirik: 102, 101, 32, 99, 101, 32, 115 |
| 05:12.13 | IShirik | you lie |
| 05:12.25 | Dagmar | Starbucks really doesn't get it |
| 05:12.44 | Dagmar | "We've been making you use made-up words to order with for years, so now we're going to joke about making up a little *more* bullshit" |
| 05:13.25 | Dagmar | Secret: If you wear a lot of leather and properly glare at their "barista" and say "Just get me a cup of coffee-flavored coffee about this (gestures) big" they will bring it to you. |
| 05:14.03 | Jerub | Dagmar: secret: you can't get coffee at a starbucks. |
| 05:14.05 | kd3 | isn't venti italian for 20? |
| 05:14.35 | Jerub | (although, i can't imagine why that's a secret, australians have known it for years) |
| 05:15.00 | DWSR | kd3: Yes. Now you're retarded in 3 languages. |
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| 05:15.32 | DWSR | tall = small, grande = medium, venti = large. |
| 05:15.48 | DWSR | So, small = tall, medium = big, large = 20. |
| 05:16.04 | Jerub | i did read a while back it's possible to coerce a starbucks into providing you with what would be considered a cappucino if you request one of the smaller sizes that they have cups for, but aren't on the visible menu. |
| 05:16.20 | Dagmar | Jerub: I don't get coffee at STarbucks becuase I freaking live and work within ten minutes of Bongo Java |
| 05:16.24 | DWSR | Jerub: If you can think of it, Starbucks can make it. |
| 05:16.36 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 05:16.39 | DWSR | Jerub: Starbucks has a really big 'secret' menu. |
| 05:17.18 | DWSR | I once went in, grabbed one of their books on how to order in 'Starbuck-ese', and proceeded to order something with like every modifier possible. |
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| 05:17.26 | DWSR | Just for giggles. |
| 05:17.29 | DWSR | They made it. |
| 05:17.42 | Amarande | DWSR: and it probably was totally nasty? :) |
| 05:17.48 | DWSR | Akshully not bad. |
| 05:18.14 | Jerub | was probably just processed sugar, coffee and milk products. |
| 05:18.19 | Jerub | all mixed up. |
| 05:18.57 | Jerub | hm, by 'coffee' i mean in the sense of 'black oily stuff that they clal coffee' not in terms of coffee that humans should drink. |
| 05:19.38 | WobWork | starbucks does not have coffee =( |
| 05:19.45 | WobWork | it has 'coffee flavoured beverages' |
| 05:20.01 | Jerub | WobWork: perhaps 'beverages' would just be a better word. |
| 05:20.54 | ccox | starbucks is to coffee what McDonalds is to steak |
| 05:21.20 | Dagmar | ~ccoz++ |
| 05:21.22 | Dagmar | er |
| 05:21.23 | recluse | is mprize.org a cult/scam? |
| 05:21.29 | Dagmar | ~ccox++ |
| 05:22.57 | Dagmar | recluse: I think perhaps "loons" is a better term. |
| 05:23.05 | recluse | lol |
| 05:23.18 | Dagmar | I thought at first they were an April 1st joke, but unless someone's tainted Wikipedia's history, they've been around for at least two years |
| 05:23.43 | recluse | oh, it IS april fools day |
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| 05:31.41 | Shirik | so |
| 05:31.45 | Shirik | did you hear about the near-miss today? |
| 05:31.49 | Shirik | yesterday actually |
| 05:31.57 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 05:32.00 | bluspacecow | do tell |
| 05:32.14 | bleeter | how long's this new xkcd UI been up? |
| 05:32.25 | bluspacecow | xkcd ui ? |
| 05:32.28 | bluspacecow | where where |
| 05:32.38 | bleeter | ... xkcd.com |
| 05:33.05 | bluspacecow | teehee |
| 05:33.29 | bluspacecow | oh thats nice |
| 05:33.34 | bluspacecow | i vote they keep that |
| 05:34.18 | Shirik | http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/united-flight-cessna-plane-miss-midair-collision/story?id=10247845 |
| 05:34.27 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 05:34.53 | bluspacecow | hey "random" works on that xkcd |
| 05:34.58 | bleeter | try sudo cat |
| 05:35.00 | Shirik | 300 feet apart |
| 05:35.03 | bleeter | and sudo make me a sandwich |
| 05:35.17 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 05:35.33 | Shirik | TCAS is win though |
| 05:35.33 | Thunder_Child | why is there no raptor command |
| 05:36.00 | Shirik | However, ABC obviously has no clue what TCAS is |
| 05:36.43 | Jerub | check it out |
| 05:36.45 | Jerub | 'asl' |
| 05:37.02 | recluse | lol |
| 05:37.35 | Thunder_Child | http://www.woot.com/Blog/ViewEntry.aspx?Id=12321 |
| 05:38.12 | Thunder_Child | >.< i think they could have done better than this http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100401.html |
| 05:38.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:40.06 | bluspacecow | @jerub try spamming asl |
| 05:40.23 | Jerub | ah hah |
| 05:40.26 | Jerub | sudo make me a sandwich works |
| 05:40.42 | bluspacecow | cat |
| 05:40.46 | bluspacecow | "You're a kitty" |
| 05:41.03 | Jerub | display 410 to display a specific comic |
| 05:41.40 | bluspacecow | teeehhheee |
| 05:41.43 | Jerub | also, cat 410/alt.txt displays its alt text |
| 05:41.46 | bluspacecow | display 666 is a good one |
| 05:41.48 | Shadowed | man |
| 05:41.52 | Shadowed | nasa are cheap |
| 05:41.55 | Shadowed | s/are/is/ |
| 05:43.37 | Shirik | lol @ WP |
| 05:43.45 | Shirik | Front page: In the news... If you are reading this, the latest record-breaking experiments at CERN's Large Hadron Collider have not yet caused the end of the world as we know it. |
| 05:43.56 | recluse | try vi |
| 05:43.58 | Thunder_Child | i dont find http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page to be that amusing |
| 05:44.09 | Shirik | It's more amusing than normal! |
| 05:45.05 | bluspacecow | "A Japanese multinational conglomerate (headquarters pictured) investigates how some of its customers were accidentally sent back in time to the year 1999." |
| 05:45.06 | Shirik | On this day... 1970 â The first of over 670,000 Gremlins were released into North America to crush imported machines. |
| 05:45.06 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 05:45.25 | kd3 | `find kitten` |
| 05:45.43 | recluse | =o |
| 05:46.42 | OhGrimes | Can anyone help me with fontstrings? |
| 05:47.31 | OhGrimes | I just want to add a few words into my frame. |
| 05:47.43 | bluspacecow | in lua ? |
| 05:47.48 | OhGrimes | Yep. |
| 05:47.57 | OhGrimes | What I did is |
| 05:48.06 | OhGrimes | starboytext = mainFrame:CreateFontString("starboytitle") |
| 05:48.31 | OhGrimes | Do I have to do starboytext:SetPoint after that? |
| 05:48.39 | recluse | yep |
| 05:49.46 | OhGrimes | Okay. I got the error "Font not set" |
| 05:49.59 | Shirik | http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2010/03/31/near-miss-as-large-hadron-collider-discovers-%E2%80%98son-of-god%E2%80%99-particle/ |
| 05:50.16 | OhGrimes | So I guess I have to do |
| 05:50.21 | OhGrimes | starboytext:SetFont now |
| 05:51.32 | recluse | :) |
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| 05:52.36 | OhGrimes | Hooray |
| 05:53.06 | WobWork | miegakure looks interesting |
| 05:58.05 | bluspacecow | <---- addicted to the find kitten game |
| 05:58.43 | bluspacecow | .wmo |
| 05:58.48 | bluspacecow | what kind of file is that ? |
| 05:59.12 | recluse | 'world map object'? |
| 05:59.14 | recluse | dunno |
| 05:59.31 | recluse | bliz proprietary i believe |
| 05:59.41 | WobWork | actually |
| 05:59.42 | bluspacecow | common/World/wmo/Azeroth/Buildings/GuardTower/GuardTower.wmo |
| 05:59.45 | WobWork | the xkcd panel? |
| 05:59.47 | WobWork | 'look' |
| 06:01.11 | recluse | "WoW Map Object" apparently |
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| 06:03.57 | bluspacecow | patch-enUS-3/Interface/Cinematics/WOW_FotLK_1024.sbt |
| 06:04.03 | bluspacecow | O_O .sbt ? |
| 06:04.20 | Sixen | hai blue |
| 06:04.25 | Sixen | Long time no see. |
| 06:04.27 | bluspacecow | hey sixen |
| 06:05.34 | bluspacecow | how art thou ? hows the starcraft 2 beta coming ? |
| 06:06.55 | bluspacecow | patch-3/sound/music/event/gnomeregan_event_C.mp3 |
| 06:06.58 | bluspacecow | lolz |
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| 06:10.16 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%8E%A0 |
| 06:10.18 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:10.25 | Shirik | ~wiki â |
| 06:10.34 | Shirik | yeah you fail at unicode |
| 06:11.14 | Shirik | â is the best character on the interwebs, if you put a tall charicter before it it becomes quite tall itself spanning two lines it can be used as cool parenthesis with its twin or as a cool explanation point with a ° under it. â â ° or to make smileing faces with big heads ââ ââ â ââ ââ â ââ ââ â ââ ââ â |
| 06:11.33 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 06:12.19 | OhGrimes | Guys how does random work in LUA? |
| 06:12.42 | OhGrimes | I better just read further |
| 06:12.51 | batrick | xkcd's page is AMAZING |
| 06:13.28 | Shirik | hahaha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Human |
| 06:13.37 | bluspacecow | patch-2/World/maps/IcecrownCitadel/area_27_25.what |
| 06:13.39 | Shirik | All cited sources are human-made. Either look for sources written by non-humans or delete this. Alexius08 (talk) 12:27 am, Today (UTCâ4) |
| 06:13.43 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 06:14.02 | bluspacecow | @batrick try "find kitten" |
| 06:14.18 | Shirik | omfg win batrick |
| 06:14.30 | WobWork | man Shirik |
| 06:14.33 | WobWork | WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? |
| 06:14.34 | bluspacecow | is slow |
| 06:14.40 | bluspacecow | grandma slow |
| 06:14.53 | Shirik | WobWork :( |
| 06:14.55 | batrick | bluspacecow: nice! |
| 06:15.01 | Dagmar | "light" is some sort of keyword, but I can't figure out what for |
| 06:15.15 | bluspacecow | try cat |
| 06:15.26 | WobWork | You have no excuse, Shirik, we were talking about it in amongst your chats about the near miss |
| 06:15.35 | OhGrimes | I can use math.random(lower, upper), right? |
| 06:15.39 | WobWork | Dagmar: 'light' |
| 06:15.43 | WobWork | it goes well with 'look' |
| 06:15.57 | WobWork | (ps, you might want to use 'light' so you don't get eaten by a grue) |
| 06:16.46 | Dagmar | It's not in the dark tho, so no grue. Just open air and sunny skies |
| 06:17.32 | WobWork | Dagmar: not if you don't go west |
| 06:17.55 | Shirik | batrick: apt-get moo works |
| 06:18.13 | Dagmar | Oh god |
| 06:18.13 | Dagmar | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/my-first-bacon.shtml?icpg=Carousel_MyFirstBacon_4 |
| 06:18.18 | Adys | guest@xkcd:/$ cd |
| 06:18.18 | Adys | cd: undefined: No such file or directory |
| 06:18.20 | Adys | ~fail |
| 06:18.21 | purl | somebody said fail was YOU FAIL. |
| 06:18.42 | bluspacecow | ~fail |
| 06:18.43 | purl | fail is probably YOU FAIL. |
| 06:18.58 | WobWork | Adys: use ls |
| 06:19.03 | WobWork | and cd to an actual dir |
| 06:19.10 | Adys | i know, thank you |
| 06:19.10 | Adys | :P |
| 06:19.15 | Adys | im ~failing the undefined |
| 06:19.51 | bleeter | bluspacecow: go west |
| 06:19.58 | bleeter | numerous times ;) |
| 06:20.00 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 06:20.11 | Shirik | lmao |
| 06:20.13 | Shirik | guest@xkcd:/$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:20.13 | Shirik | You are already running Windows. |
| 06:20.51 | batrick | Dagmar: light lamp |
| 06:21.38 | Dagmar | Yeah so once someone mentioned a grue, the jig was up on that one, man. |
| 06:21.44 | Dagmar | <-- actually played Zork |
| 06:22.46 | Adys | try man |
| 06:22.51 | bluspacecow | kk time to run down the super market guys |
| 06:22.56 | Dagmar | My boss has a kid now. He'll probably be very upset that they don't actually sell My First Bacon |
| 06:24.48 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/178360/ |
| 06:25.00 | Shirik | ha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_Deletion/Main_Page_(2nd_nomination) |
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| 06:25.30 | Adys | This page contains material which is kept because it is considered humorous. |
| 06:25.30 | Adys | It is not intended, nor should it be used, for any remotely serious purpose. |
| 06:25.32 | Adys | fail tbh Shirik |
| 06:25.39 | Shirik | you're not supposed to read that part |
| 06:25.40 | Shirik | gtfo |
| 06:25.42 | Shirik | you're no fun |
| 06:25.43 | Adys | "Hi, you are about to read an april's fools" |
| 06:25.52 | Shirik | well you don't see that in context |
| 06:25.58 | Adys | yes, i do |
| 06:26.29 | Shirik | no |
| 06:26.30 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2010_April_1#Main_Page |
| 06:26.34 | Shirik | it doesn't get transcluded |
| 06:26.57 | batrick | oh mwow |
| 06:27.05 | batrick | the 'man' command does some sort of adventure |
| 06:27.24 | Adys | it doesnt batrick :P |
| 06:27.26 | Adys | go does |
| 06:27.29 | Adys | if you clicked you'd see. |
| 06:27.38 | Shirik | batrick? |
| 06:27.50 | Dagmar | batrick never played Zork |
| 06:28.25 | Shirik | guest@xkcd:/$ go south |
| 06:28.25 | Shirik | A dark hallway. |
| 06:28.25 | Shirik | Exits: north, south |
| 06:28.25 | Shirik | You are eaten by a grue. |
| 06:28.25 | Shirik | You're dead! |
| 06:28.27 | Shirik | wtf :( |
| 06:28.49 | Dagmar | Shirik: Apparently you never played it, either. |
| 06:29.08 | Shirik | ? |
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| 06:30.01 | Dagmar | Damn this page |
| 06:30.02 | batrick | haha |
| 06:30.16 | Dagmar | Shirik: Grues live in dark places and eat hapless adventurers. |
| 06:30.20 | Dagmar | It was dark to the south. |
| 06:30.24 | Shirik | I know |
| 06:30.29 | Shirik | but my first step? |
| 06:30.31 | Shirik | come on |
| 06:30.33 | Dagmar | If it's possible to avoid being eaten, we need to _light_ something |
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| 06:30.51 | Corrodias | a blunt |
| 06:31.10 | Dagmar | Works for me |
| 06:31.25 | batrick | ya i lit the lamp early on |
| 06:31.28 | batrick | ]lol? |
| 06:31.35 | Shirik | guest@xkcd:/$ light match |
| 06:31.36 | Shirik | Light what? |
| 06:31.36 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:31.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:31.39 | Shirik | fail |
| 06:31.46 | Dagmar | @#$@ yeah |
| 06:31.58 | Dagmar | I was wracking my brain trying to remember wtf it was you lit |
| 06:32.05 | Dagmar | Candle? No... Matches... no... pfft |
| 06:32.09 | Dagmar | Batrick had it tho |
| 06:32.20 | batrick | i cheated by looking at source :( |
| 06:32.31 | Dagmar | ah |
| 06:32.52 | Jerub | try the "i read the source" command |
| 06:33.25 | batrick | that doesn't do anything? |
| 06:33.42 | Adys | try sudo i read the source then |
| 06:33.54 | Jerub | wait, it doesn't |
| 06:34.04 | Jerub | i read the source code |
| 06:34.06 | Dagmar | batrick: Well, TBH after the first infocom adventure I don't think I actually finished any of them... I just tore into the binary with a disassembler to learn their dark secrets of doing all that in just 48k of space |
| 06:34.20 | batrick | i never played that game |
| 06:34.41 | batrick | i was just looking at the source to find all of the commands |
| 06:34.43 | batrick | e.g. halp |
| 06:34.47 | batrick | go, etc. |
| 06:34.52 | batrick | apt-get upgrade |
| 06:34.57 | batrick | sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 06:34.59 | Dagmar | Adventure had two versions I knew of, one of which was a "whopping" ten megabytes |
| 06:35.14 | Adys | 10mb is a LOT for a text game |
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| 06:35.33 | Dagmar | Yeah well at the time unless you were a computer scientist of some sort, it meant playing it on CompuServe |
| 06:35.55 | Dagmar | Adventure wasn't omgoptimized tho |
| 06:37.12 | Dagmar | ...by that I mean you wouldn't find words if you looked through the infocom binaries |
| 06:37.47 | Dagmar | 48k limitation kinda forces data compression and tokenization into the picture |
| 06:38.21 | batrick | I <3 this comic: http://www.explosm.net/comics/1999/ |
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| 06:40.22 | OhGrimes | http://pastebin.com/D3871QaB Probleeeem. |
| 06:40.43 | OhGrimes | I have a function which automatically generates buttons on like 79. |
| 06:41.13 | OhGrimes | Actually... I think... Hm. Maybe. |
| 06:43.30 | OhGrimes | Basically, I get an LUA error in game saying "Attempt to concatenate local 'soundName' |
| 06:43.33 | OhGrimes | (a table value) |
| 06:43.37 | OhGrimes | When it loads |
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| 06:44.00 | Dagmar | waits for Shirik to shout "Everything is a table!" |
| 06:44.08 | Shirik | EVERYTHING IS A TABLE |
| 06:44.09 | Amarande | Even the most advanced Infocom formats only allow 512K |
| 06:44.12 | Shirik | oh no |
| 06:44.16 | Amarande | although ... for a text adventure, 512K is a ton |
| 06:44.23 | Shirik | it's more appropriate for me to say "wtf is LUA" in this case |
| 06:44.40 | Amarande | ehh, I used to call it LUA myself |
| 06:44.44 | OhGrimes | Lua Lua |
| 06:44.46 | OhGrimes | Okay okay |
| 06:44.54 | Amarande | probably because I started in the old DOS days and thus am used to referring to file extensions in all caps |
| 06:45.20 | OhGrimes | Can you guys look at my function on line 79 :-/ Particularly at line 95 inside it |
| 06:45.45 | Dagmar | Honestly, I've never seen EventSend before |
| 06:45.52 | OhGrimes | My function |
| 06:46.22 | Dagmar | Ah yes with more coffee I see it |
| 06:46.26 | Shirik | we need to teach you about comments |
| 06:46.42 | Shirik | and tabulation for that matter |
| 06:47.10 | Shirik | where does the error occur? |
| 06:47.28 | OhGrimes | Line 57 |
| 06:47.50 | OhGrimes | I get the error before any buttons are clicked |
| 06:47.52 | Shirik | 58? |
| 06:48.07 | OhGrimes | Ugh you're right. It's 58. |
| 06:48.11 | Shirik | line 95 is wrong |
| 06:48.24 | Shirik | SetScript takes a function as a parameter |
| 06:48.34 | Shirik | you are calling EventSend(name) and then passing its return value to SetScript |
| 06:48.49 | Shirik | you want name:SetScript("OnClick", function() EventSend(name) end) |
| 06:49.27 | Dagmar | OhGrimes: This is where C tutorials would be jumping on your head with indentation |
| 06:49.34 | Dagmar | Lua docs, not so unsubtle |
| 06:49.53 | OhGrimes | Well, now instead of getting the error when the game loads |
| 06:49.58 | OhGrimes | I get it whenever I click a button |
| 06:50.09 | OhGrimes | Which is better! |
| 06:51.49 | OhGrimes | It's supposed to play a sound. Hm. |
| 06:52.17 | OhGrimes | Lets add in a console print and see... |
| 06:54.18 | OhGrimes | Yeah using soundName at all just gives an error |
| 07:01.46 | OhGrimes | it has to do with the fact that I'm doing ".. soundName .. " |
| 07:04.02 | Amarande | bah. did I interpret it correctly when reading these articles about trademarks |
| 07:04.12 | Amarande | that the *explicit intent* of the law is that the bigger business should always win any dispute? |
| 07:05.41 | Amarande | or is it actually the right of it that bigger businesses should beat smaller businesses in disputes without much regard for the merits, and even moreso now? |
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| 07:06.08 | Amarande | that we passed a point recentishly where now there is a pressing need to convert as many resources as humanly possible into food, clothing and shelter and therefore 'right' and 'wrong' need to be set aside? |
| 07:06.34 | Amarande | and, thus, that anyone who would suggest that the little guy should ever have the prevailing right is a Darkfriend? :| |
| 07:09.15 | OhGrimes | Damn. I don't think my buttonGenerator can work. |
| 07:10.00 | Dagmar | In practice it involves a lot more than just that. Other considerations for judges tend to be about which markets or geographic regions they work in |
| 07:10.46 | Dagmar | The issue of whether or not it could confuse consumers also comes heavily into play |
| 07:11.38 | Dagmar | Like, if a gun manufacturer used a particular name for a product line, and elsewhere say a crocheting pattern company used the same name, it's unlikely a judge would do much about that |
| 07:12.05 | Dagmar | If that stuff happens to be your NAME, also another thing |
| 07:12.19 | Dagmar | Javan Keith and Javanco vs. Sun Microsystems, remember? |
| 07:12.29 | Amarande | Dagmar: the general trend I noticed was that the "more prominent or recognizable" business generally prevails |
| 07:12.37 | Amarande | which, of course, is just a euphemism for the larger company in most cases |
| 07:12.40 | Dagmar | Yeah if they are operating in the same space, for sure |
| 07:13.05 | Amarande | or is it more important to protect the larger company than us "protect the little guy" advocates tend to think? |
| 07:13.09 | Dagmar | By the same token, the larger company can't go cloning product names that the smaller company is already using |
| 07:13.18 | Arrowmaster | if the larger company was using the trademark first they will likely win yeah |
| 07:13.21 | Amarande | after all, let's say a trademark is worth half a million a year |
| 07:13.45 | Amarande | how many people are going to want to side with an individual claiming ownership if they could instead side with a company that's feeding ten people with a nice 50k a year salary with the same money :| |
| 07:14.11 | Dagmar | Comes down to who came first |
| 07:14.39 | Amarande | how about the notion that there are still things other than food, clothing and shelter that resources are worthy of being converted int |
| 07:14.53 | Amarande | still a laudable notion, or is that practically the definition of Evil in a beleaguered economy of 300 million? |
| 07:14.56 | Dagmar | Greed has gone beyond that point into the metas by now. |
| 07:15.20 | Arrowmaster | the hard cases are where a business branches out to a new area and then the conflict happens |
| 07:15.21 | Amarande | what is the United States population these days anyway heh |
| 07:15.27 | Amarande | oh, right ... we can't move forward till people mail it back :P |
| 07:15.29 | Dagmar | It now involves the concept of who owns the very ideas of things |
| 07:15.47 | Amarande | there are some who say that some would try to claim the idea of *having an idea* if they could |
| 07:15.49 | Dagmar | Amarande: I actualyl got mine in a mailbox tonight |
| 07:15.56 | Amarande | we never get our census forms up here |
| 07:16.08 | Dagmar | Amarande: Now THERE'S an idea for a patent application |
| 07:16.09 | Amarande | it always gets fucked up around here because this area is a private community that has to get all its mail in PO Boxes |
| 07:16.28 | Amarande | which means we never get counted unless we're *lucky* and someone actually gets sent around |
| 07:16.41 | Dagmar | Don't worry. |
| 07:16.45 | Amarande | since we don't get forms at PO Boxes, and can't do our census data online unless we got a form in the mail, from what I recall from 2000. |
| 07:16.54 | Dagmar | THe Census Bureau still sends people door to door to terrify the illegals. |
| 07:17.03 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 07:17.06 | Dagmar | One of my friends worked for them in 2000. |
| 07:17.16 | Amarande | Dagmar: this is Connecticut ... we lost a representative last census, and I'm not sure that such census errors with regard to private communities are entirely not to blame |
| 07:17.22 | Dagmar | He actually had to go with the sherriff in a lot of places to keep from being shot at |
| 07:17.32 | Amarande | heh, sounds almost like the Bible |
| 07:17.40 | Amarande | didn't Caesar's buddies get in trouble a lot of places for taking a census? :) |
| 07:17.46 | Dagmar | There are some people who really, really DON'T believe that the census bureau is anything more than a front for someething sinister |
| 07:18.05 | Amarande | heh, I suppose there's the lunatics who think it's a front for gerrymandering |
| 07:18.15 | Amarande | which would be about the only sinister thing the Census Bureau could really *do* |
| 07:18.35 | Dagmar | yes, show up and have a fat man ask you boring questions for ten minutes of your life you'll never get back |
| 07:19.00 | Arrowmaster | census bureau is fine, its the rest of the solicitors i wish i could shoot at |
| 07:19.25 | Amarande | not that I'd really care if CT loses another seat in the House |
| 07:19.32 | Amarande | I usually vote Republican and this state keeps going Blue anyway :P |
| 07:19.45 | Dagmar | Check Google. |
| 07:19.58 | Amarande | heh, it's weird, I'm somewhat anti big business and I vote GOP |
| 07:20.09 | Amarande | there's other issues to concern about though, like free speech |
| 07:20.15 | Amarande | which I'm starting to think the GOP might be slightly better on |
| 07:20.33 | Amarande | they did have things like the Patriot Act, but then again the Democrats have things like regulating what cigarettes can be called :P |
| 07:20.37 | Dagmar | They will have to stop trolling, first. |
| 07:20.46 | Amarande | and when it comes down to it it seems like ... |
| 07:20.47 | Arrowmaster | doesnt matter who you vote for, we still get fucked over |
| 07:21.00 | Dagmar | Regulating what cigarettes may be *sold*, not called. |
| 07:21.08 | Dagmar | I have to order mine from freaking Indonesia now. |
| 07:21.10 | Amarande | GOP = "You're free to say what you'd like, there's a chance we'll be stupid and mistake it for terrorist chatter and you'll get nabbed by mistake, but other than that you can feel free to say what you'd like" |
| 07:21.15 | Amarande | Dems = "You can't say that!" |
| 07:21.43 | Amarande | I'm still wondering how my father is going to take it |
| 07:21.54 | Amarande | he smokes Marlboro Mediums, and there's apparently now no longer going to be a such thing as a Marlboro Medium |
| 07:22.08 | Amarande | Oh, and apparently Dems are requiring that no non-cigarette merchandise share a name with tobacco products |
| 07:22.33 | Amarande | Yay thanks, now before I name anything non-tobacco I have to go researching everything cig manufacturers have called their shit over the years? :| |
| 07:22.44 | Amarande | Fail. |
| 07:22.59 | Arrowmaster | voting is overrated, instead of voting im working on staging a coup d'état, its the only way to really get anything to change |
| 07:23.11 | Amarande | Arrow: don't forget to register in South Carolina under SARA then :) |
| 07:23.32 | Amarande | Dagmar, I think you can fill him in on that? :) |
| 07:23.51 | Arrowmaster | i know about it |
| 07:24.00 | Amarande | There's apparently been a few places cited anyway, where there's products in different fields that have the same name as cigarette products |
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| 07:24.07 | Amarande | and uncertainty as to whether they're legal now |
| 07:24.07 | OhGrimes | Hm. Now PlaySoundFile sipmly doesn't play the sound files. |
| 07:24.10 | OhGrimes | Dead silence. |
| 07:24.37 | Amarande | Wonder if a lot of small businesses in Marlboro, Maryland are going to have to change their names now to keep the federal government happy? :| |
| 07:24.39 | OhGrimes | puts gun into his mouth. Bang. |
| 07:24.55 | Amarande | OhGrimes: No bang. Your sound doesn't work, remember? :) |
| 07:25.15 | OhGrimes | I'm completely puzzled. It should play the sound. |
| 07:26.46 | OhGrimes | http://pastebin.com/A3mbR50N |
| 07:27.19 | OhGrimes | Line 106 and 57 are the focus here! |
| 07:27.50 | OhGrimes | It's calling on the function. I did a print and it works fine. |
| 07:27.58 | OhGrimes | The soundFile string is fine. |
| 07:28.03 | OhGrimes | No error. |
| 07:28.05 | OhGrimes | just no sound. |
| 07:30.13 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, the democrats prefer to regulate corporations, the republicans prefer to regulate non-corporations. both camps include a sizable contingent of people who believe that "free speech" only really covers "good speech". neither one is particularly better |
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| 07:31.29 | Corrodias | too many people don't value free expression. for them, it stops sounding so good as soon as they hear something they don't like. |
| 07:31.44 | Corrodias | hear / see / feel in their butt |
| 07:32.17 | Corrodias | so many people getting all uppity about a little random butt-loving |
| 07:32.24 | Amarande | so, should we start taking bets on how long it's going to take Arrowmaster to end up in federal prison should he exercise his politics? :) |
| 07:32.29 | Amarande | oh, wait, that would be bad |
| 07:32.35 | Amarande | then we'd all go to federal prison for taking bets online |
| 07:32.36 | Amarande | dammit! |
| 07:33.35 | Amarande | Welcome to the 21st Century edition of Monopoly. All the Chance and Community Chest cards have been replaced with this: |
| 07:34.01 | Amarande | "I'm sure you broke the law today, even if you didn't know you did. GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL Do not pass Go, do not collect $200" |
| 07:34.55 | Amarande | 'course, in today's economy, the rent-affording advantages in Monopoly of being in Jail probably apply IRL too LOL |
| 07:38.24 | Amarande | begins to wonder if I lost my sanity a while ago |
| 07:40.47 | Amarande | Night folks |
| 07:42.01 | Adys | !apiUnitClassification |
| 07:42.04 | Adys | !api UnitClassification |
| 07:42.07 | lua_bot | UnitClassification: Returns a unit's classification (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitClassification) |
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| 07:57.50 | OhGrimes | My mod is finished |
| 07:57.51 | OhGrimes | Hooray |
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| 08:06.14 | olafski | good work :) |
| 08:07.28 | OhGrimes | It's a fun stupid shared-soundboard mod |
| 08:07.34 | OhGrimes | But it turned out better than I expected! |
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| 08:11.54 | Wobin | http://www.ironicsans.com/volumething/# |
| 08:11.56 | Wobin | how very meta =) |
| 08:12.19 | Fisker | my head Wobin |
| 08:17.33 | Arrowmaster | fuck i need to stop watching these previews for the unlimited blade works movie as they come out, im just torturing myself until it comes out on dvd |
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| 08:39.08 | Elkano | anyone in for a wow style raid on quakenet? ;) |
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| 08:56.09 | zenzelezz | what, #southshore ? |
| 08:56.48 | Elkano | no, #blackrockmountain |
| 08:57.15 | Elkano | it's their 4/1 gag |
| 08:57.25 | zenzelezz | o_O |
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| 09:01.05 | olafski | what a boring april fools joke about the guild mergers |
| 09:01.46 | zenzelezz | it's been a long time since I've really enjoyed an April fools joke |
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| 09:03.45 | olafski | I liked the one about the two headed ogre in wow |
| 09:03.51 | olafski | and about patch 1.10 for diablo2 |
| 09:04.20 | olafski | Necromancer: No changes required. :D |
| 09:05.01 | zenzelezz | even though it was obvious, I was amused by that huge patch note joke for WoW some years back |
| 09:05.14 | zenzelezz | what was it, adding 47 flight paths in The Barrens and stuff? |
| 09:05.16 | olafski | hm maybe I've missed that |
| 09:05.17 | olafski | ah |
| 09:05.25 | olafski | don't recall that |
| 09:06.33 | Adys | yes |
| 09:06.36 | zenzelezz | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.11_%28Evil_Patch_Notes%29 |
| 09:06.37 | Adys | 2005 evil patchnote |
| 09:06.43 | Adys | er 2006 |
| 09:07.01 | Adys | Additional grass areas have been added to the enemy faction's zones. This grass is exceptionally green. |
| 09:07.02 | Adys | =) |
| 09:07.13 | olafski | lol@ |
| 09:07.15 | olafski | lol!* |
| 09:08.23 | Adys | Moonwells are now located exclusively inside Blackwing Lair, near the Alchemy Lab. |
| 09:08.24 | zenzelezz | "Number keys can no longer activate character abilities. In many cases, this gave certain players a slight advantage over those that used their mouse to activate their abilities." |
| 09:09.02 | olafski | Night Elves will now lose a small percentage of experience after jumping. <-- they should put that in |
| 09:09.02 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 09:09.02 | Adys | i think a several amount of items in this patch note, most players today won't get anymore |
| 09:09.02 | Quetzi | Entering the Barrens will now flag your character for PvP, regardless of your faction or realm type. This is being done to make the zone feel more alive |
| 09:09.03 | Quetzi | I like that one |
| 09:09.16 | Adys | Majordomo Executus will no longer be killed by Ragnaros, as such was very depressing. Instead he will now assist in the battle, making for a much more challenging encounter. |
| 09:09.18 | Adys | heroic ragnaros |
| 09:09.19 | zenzelezz | "Various emotes have been disabled for Mac users, including /dance, /smile and /thank. " |
| 09:09.36 | Adys | New wing added to Scarlet Monastery called the Graveyard! Check it out! |
| 09:09.37 | Adys | :D |
| 09:09.59 | Quetzi | Fixed bug which allowed Rogues to wield two weapons at the same time. This was never intended to happen. |
| 09:10.01 | Quetzi | lol |
| 09:10.45 | zenzelezz | "New Form: Bear Form and Dire Bear Form! This new ability should help the Paladin tank in five, ten and twenty player-capped dungeons. " |
| 09:11.05 | Adys | there were 10man dungeons back then? |
| 09:11.10 | Adys | wasnt ubrs still 15man? |
| 09:12.14 | Fisker | zenzelezz |
| 09:12.20 | Grum | some are epic; Warlock: |
| 09:12.20 | Grum | # Using friendly emotes will now significantly increase the Infernal and Doomguard's chance to remain loyal to the Warlock. |
| 09:12.24 | Grum | # Friendly emotes are no longer available to the Warlock. |
| 09:12.53 | Grum | Warriors: "Dwarf Females now generate rage at a rate three times greater than normal." |
| 09:14.54 | Grum | hihi; # Scholomance is now spelled "Sko-lo-mance" to alleviate confusion about its pronunciation. In addition, a sound file has been added outside the instance portal which will phonetically sound out the name upon zoning. |
| 09:15.44 | Adys | microsoft france is sending me an email. |
| 09:15.46 | zenzelezz | "The use of 'if', 'for' and other flow control statements has been deemed exploitable, and have been removed from the Lua script implementation. " |
| 09:15.58 | Adys | proposing me to buy office 2010 because it's a great app |
| 09:16.04 | Adys | does this sound like an aprils fool as well |
| 09:16.36 | olafski | adys: UBRS was 10man if you wanted to do the quests I think(?) |
| 09:16.46 | Adys | nah |
| 09:16.49 | olafski | or maybe it was 10man full stop.. I remember they changed that before I quit the game |
| 09:17.03 | Adys | 15man until.. 1.12, the "casual hardcore" patch |
| 09:17.08 | Adys | where it was swapped to 10man |
| 09:17.19 | Adys | actually, I may be thinking of patch 1.10 |
| 09:17.27 | Adys | yeah Im an idiot, its 1.10 |
| 09:18.05 | olafski | lol @ pokemon kart :D |
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| 09:35.18 | Fisker | i could kill you olafski |
| 09:35.21 | Fisker | what would you say to that? |
| 09:35.57 | Fisker | sweet 2 times CoS |
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| 09:36.31 | Fisker | i almost raged irl when i didn't see the "We both know what's going to happen in this timeline" |
| 09:37.01 | Fisker | sigh |
| 09:37.08 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.10 | Fisker | half the party is running like usual |
| 09:37.24 | Fisker | nah Wobin because someone just activated it |
| 09:37.33 | Wobin | ah |
| 09:37.44 | amro | good for you Fisker |
| 09:37.59 | Wobin | pft. If "we all know what happened in this timeline" why can't you just cut to the end? =P |
| 09:39.08 | Fisker | i agree |
| 09:39.11 | Fisker | hey amro |
| 09:39.13 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 09:44.25 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 09:44.29 | Fisker | meet me at the town hall |
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| 09:50.26 | Wobin | waits |
| 09:50.30 | Wobin | goes and gets Fisker |
| 09:51.07 | Elkano | man, IRC raiding is fun ^^ |
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| 11:00.50 | Wobin | rofl |
| 11:00.53 | Wobin | watching UFC |
| 11:01.05 | Wobin | "Warning, this show may contain 'Realistic Violence'" |
| 11:01.08 | Wobin | Nooooo |
| 11:01.13 | Wobin | you're -kidding- |
| 11:02.05 | Wobin | the camera angles are always so confusing |
| 11:02.14 | Wobin | You see this tall dude against this shorter dude |
| 11:02.26 | Wobin | and you think, man, that's a huge height difference |
| 11:02.34 | Wobin | then you find out the 'shorter' guy is 6" |
| 11:02.40 | Wobin | and the taller one is 6"11' |
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| 11:15.31 | Wobin | http://i.imgur.com/JEcO1.jpg |
| 11:19.59 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
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| 11:22.19 | Sixen | hah |
| 11:22.24 | Sixen | Someone made a booboo |
| 11:22.27 | Sixen | http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/community/merchandise/gps/index.xml |
| 11:22.30 | Sixen | http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/community/merchandise/gamerblanket/index.xml |
| 11:22.34 | Sixen | the pages are unfinished :P |
| 11:23.08 | Fisker | ahaha |
| 11:23.12 | Fisker | but wait there's more !!!.999_ |
| 11:23.12 | Antiarc | http://www.razerzone.com/venom/ |
| 11:23.13 | Fisker | :DDD |
| 11:23.17 | Fisker | fuckin' lol |
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| 11:24.58 | Fisker | [13:24:32][Tirianda] whispers: I am just wondering if u might need some G to upgrade your epic. If u do, i can give u a special offer. |
| 11:24.58 | Fisker | [13:24:40][2. Trade] [Zonke]: lf jc |
| 11:24.58 | Fisker | [13:24:44]To [Tirianda]: you get epics by raiding not by buying gold duh |
| 11:25.00 | Fisker | durr |
| 11:25.04 | Antiarc | In all honesty, if I could but a OTC IV nuitrient that eliminated the need to sleep I would be all over that. |
| 11:29.23 | industrial | Antiarc: and governments around the world would extend the 40 hour workweek |
| 11:29.26 | industrial | :P |
| 11:29.40 | industrial | (always the pessimist xD) |
| 11:30.17 | Fisker | hey Antiarc |
| 11:30.22 | Fisker | are you working on Blessed? |
| 11:30.26 | Dagmar | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/equipmentpotency.xml <--rofl |
| 11:31.39 | industrial | Dagmar: lol epeens, nice |
| 11:31.42 | Fisker | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/images/epeen/ss2.jpg <-hahaha |
| 11:31.48 | industrial | IN YOUR FACE GEARSCORE |
| 11:32.22 | Fisker | wtf is the last bag |
| 11:33.12 | Fisker | LOL! |
| 11:33.16 | Fisker | and you'll also begin receiving in-game mail with exciting offers for additional ways to enhance it. |
| 11:33.25 | Fisker | Enlarge your EPEEN! |
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| 11:35.40 | industrial | BUY INGAME VICODIN AND VI@GR@ NOW |
| 11:36.50 | p3lim | I have a texture parented to a statusbar, set as BACKGROUND layer, still its ontop of the statusbar. Why? |
| 11:37.17 | [Ammo] | because the statusbar texture itself is background as well? |
| 11:37.23 | [Ammo] | and childs > parent |
| 11:37.27 | p3lim | How do I raise the texture? |
| 11:37.42 | p3lim | :GetStatusBarTexture():SetLayer()? |
| 11:37.56 | p3lim | (something like that, dont recall the API right now) |
| 11:38.30 | [Ammo] | use your googlefu |
| 11:39.06 | p3lim | Yap, it worked |
| 11:39.18 | p3lim | But I havent had this issue before, I do the exact same with say oUF |
| 11:39.20 | industrial | If my lua is in ~/Applications/lua-5.1.4 and my luarocks using that lua is in ~/Applications/luarocks-2.0.2 what should my LUA_PATH and LUA_CPATH be? |
| 11:40.03 | p3lim | Might be because the statusbar is the main frame (main anchor frame that is) |
| 11:40.19 | p3lim | Aint got anything behind it, its set directly to UIParent |
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| 11:52.55 | Fisker | bitchduck |
| 11:55.40 | Kalroth | quack |
| 12:01.30 | Fisker | there you are Kalroth |
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| 12:06.01 | Sesshu | i wanna have a battle.net neural interface!!!! but it is already sould out :( |
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| 12:08.20 | Fisker | ~seen Shadowed |
| 12:08.24 | purl | shadowed <~outlaw@c-98-207-200-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3h 8m 36s ago, saying: 'and it turned out yours was like 3 minutes off'. |
| 12:15.05 | Shirik | Your account has been locked. |
| 12:15.05 | Shirik | To unlock your account, please choose the link to the right. |
| 12:15.10 | Shirik | what kind of lame security feature is this |
| 12:15.22 | Shirik | "For your security, we have locked you out of your account. Please click the unlock link." |
| 12:15.53 | Wobin | hehe |
| 12:15.59 | Wobin | now watching WWF |
| 12:16.02 | Wobin | >< |
| 12:16.20 | Wobin | the difference in WWF and UFC =P |
| 12:20.31 | Aelobin | haha that Equipment Potency EquivalencE Number is a good read :p |
| 12:21.53 | Fisker | yeah |
| 12:22.24 | Aelobin | last screeny made me lol :P |
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| 12:47.02 | zenzelezz | how effective is a druid's Prowl compared to a rogue's stealth in PvE? Can you mostly sneak by the same stuff? |
| 12:47.16 | Wobin | yeah |
| 12:47.20 | zenzelezz | cheers |
| 12:56.23 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 12:56.25 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 12:56.27 | Fisker | hey zenzelezz |
| 12:56.44 | zenzelezz | hey Fisker |
| 12:58.09 | Fisker | says who? |
| 12:59.12 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 12:59.16 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 12:59.18 | Shirik | did you try my addon? |
| 12:59.33 | Fisker | no. |
| 12:59.34 | Shirik | wowinterface's first official addon |
| 12:59.40 | Fisker | it sucks |
| 12:59.44 | Shirik | fu |
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| 13:00.16 | Fisker | not my problem Shirik |
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| 13:06.38 | Fisker | omg Shirik how does it work?! |
| 13:07.06 | Shirik | read the Lua |
| 13:07.09 | Shirik | comments tell how it works |
| 13:10.49 | Fisker | your addon is obfuscated Shirik |
| 13:10.53 | Fisker | i'm reporting you |
| 13:10.56 | Shirik | no it is not |
| 13:11.04 | Shirik | it is very well documented, etc. |
| 13:12.23 | mikma | sure |
| 13:14.03 | Fisker | too late now Shirik |
| 13:14.09 | Fisker | i already sent them a mail |
| 13:14.26 | Shirik | ok |
| 13:14.27 | Fisker | so soon it'll make it as a default feature and you'll be B& for life |
| 13:14.33 | Shirik | kk |
| 13:15.17 | mikma | kkk |
| 13:16.31 | Fisker | Introducing 4chan 2.0 (beta) â now with Facebook Connect! |
| 13:16.51 | Fisker | i hope they really did it |
| 13:16.55 | Fisker | that would get very messy very soon |
| 13:17.21 | mikma | .. blizzfail |
| 13:20.03 | mikma | horrible fail |
| 13:20.24 | mikma | next year, try to be funny, kk blizz, bb. |
| 13:23.19 | zenzelezz | do what we did earlier, go read the 2006 "patch notes" joke instead |
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| 13:32.11 | Wobin | they have the Deckard Caine gps mp3s up now |
| 13:33.46 | Wobin | I like the third one =) |
| 13:33.56 | Wobin | er the fourth one |
| 13:37.26 | Fisker | TLDL Wobin |
| 13:37.48 | Wobin | yeah, that was the point =P |
| 13:37.52 | Wobin | way to miss it, Fisker =P |
| 13:38.17 | zenzelezz | L? |
| 13:38.49 | Wobin | http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/community/merchandise/gps/index.xml |
| 13:39.10 | Cairenn | "listen" |
| 13:39.33 | Cairenn | at least, that's my guess |
| 13:40.08 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:40.35 | Wobin | Clearly, Cairenn and I have been reading too much of Fisker's lines, to be able to interpret so easily =P |
| 13:40.55 | Cairenn | well, the fact that you were talking about MP3s .... |
| 13:41.07 | Cairenn | bit of a give away there |
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| 13:56.01 | Fisker | man that mandokir guy is a stalker |
| 14:01.35 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 14:01.47 | Wobin | Fisker |
| 14:02.07 | Fisker | well played |
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| 14:05.12 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:05.25 | Cairenn | hi kneeki |
| 14:06.03 | Fisker | so how do i combat that Wobin ? |
| 14:06.13 | Wobin | by being prepared |
| 14:07.02 | Fisker | no! |
| 14:09.48 | Shirik | ~~~~ |
| 14:09.49 | purl | ARGH!!! STOP IT shirik!!! |
| 14:15.34 | Fisker | i could kill you Shirik |
| 14:15.39 | Shirik | no you can't |
| 14:15.43 | Shirik | I'm a demigod |
| 14:15.45 | Shirik | we are immortal |
| 14:17.08 | Fisker | demigods aren't immortal |
| 14:17.50 | zenzelezz | Shirik never heard about Cenarius |
| 14:18.27 | Shirik | he isn't really dead |
| 14:18.29 | Shirik | they cheated |
| 14:19.09 | zenzelezz | just like you do then |
| 14:20.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | its world of warcraft day on amazon.com gold box specials |
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| 14:27.22 | zenzelezz | why is this faction change taking so much longer than the realm change :-| |
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| 14:28.35 | kneeki | ... http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/mobile/ |
| 14:28.40 | kneeki | ^ I would play those |
| 14:28.59 | Fisker | haha |
| 14:29.04 | Fisker | poor mans eyefinity |
| 14:29.11 | Fisker | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24038447306&pageNo=1&sid=1 |
| 14:30.35 | olafski | new black thorne would be nice :P |
| 14:32.10 | kneeki | lol |
| 14:34.01 | foxlit | http://www.wow-europe.com/shared/wow-com/images/underdev/epeen/ss4.jpg << Nameplate addon + Gearscore |
| 14:34.10 | foxlit | Can we make that before the day is over? |
| 14:34.34 | kneeki | Would it be possible to create an addon like that? |
| 14:34.47 | kneeki | That would be amusing for sure |
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| 14:35.03 | olafski | hiding all players of lower tiers would be difficult |
| 14:35.07 | olafski | but the nameplates thing sounds possible :P |
| 14:38.20 | Thunder_Child | another gift for tekkub http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/my-first-bacon.shtml |
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| 14:39.05 | Arathros | april firsts ;P |
| 14:39.14 | zenzelezz | no wai |
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| 14:39.46 | Arathros | what else did they do? |
| 14:40.11 | Arathros | New Game System coming to World of Warcraft |
| 14:40.21 | Arathros | GS from blizz.. hmm i doubt it |
| 14:40.32 | zenzelezz | New Game Enhancements |
| 14:40.33 | Arathros | Battle.net Neural Interface Available Now |
| 14:41.09 | kneeki | lol Cain http://us.media.blizzard.com/diablo3/community/merchandise/gps/CainGPS_D.mp3 |
| 14:41.56 | Fisker | slaps kneeki around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:42.02 | Fisker | no! |
| 14:42.08 | kneeki | yes! |
| 14:42.09 | Fisker | i must stop you |
| 14:42.15 | kneeki | Stop me? |
| 14:42.22 | nicoli_s | kneeki: what is that? |
| 14:42.33 | kneeki | it's a blizzard april fools joke |
| 14:42.40 | kneeki | http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/community/merchandise/gps/index.xml |
| 14:42.42 | kneeki | =) |
| 14:42.49 | Fisker | those of you who oppose me will be destroyed utterly |
| 14:42.59 | Fisker | where's the starcraft ones :( |
| 14:43.14 | kneeki | I've not seen any yet :( |
| 14:43.21 | Fisker | i wanted to hear about the Starcraft iCast Soundboard |
| 14:43.34 | Fisker | all the best of Dustin Browder screaming "Terrible Terrible Damage" |
| 14:43.53 | Arathros | Equipment Potency EquivalencE Number |
| 14:43.55 | Arathros | Epeen lol |
| 14:43.59 | Fisker | old |
| 14:44.01 | kneeki | One Diablo III body pillow per order of two Diablo III Deckard Cain X-Treme Gamer Blankets. Choice of pillow is made at time of ordering. Pillows may be cursed. Do not transmute with Wirt's Leg and Tome of Town Portal. |
| 14:44.05 | kneeki | roforfol |
| 14:45.20 | Thunder_Child | i also like how she is reading the LK book upside down |
| 14:45.25 | kneeki | lol aye |
| 14:45.33 | Fisker | old |
| 14:45.37 | Fisker | and it's an artbook |
| 14:45.38 | Fisker | so |
| 14:45.49 | Thunder_Child | i didnt say it wasnt |
| 14:46.04 | Fisker | reading |
| 14:46.14 | Fisker | do you want me to bold it and underline it as well? ;3 |
| 14:46.30 | Fisker | Mass Effect 2 |
| 14:46.30 | Fisker | Secret Romance Gameplay - The secret sex scene between female Shepard and an Elcor. |
| 14:46.32 | Fisker | I smell troll |
| 14:46.35 | Thunder_Child | go ahead, i strip it out |
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| 15:06.41 | Thunder_Child | also Fisker, read is valid |
| 15:07.20 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 15:07.25 | Fisker | also nice comeback |
| 15:07.31 | Thunder_Child | 'to look at carefully so as to understand the meaning of ' |
| 15:07.34 | Thunder_Child | i win |
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| 15:07.42 | Fisker | noooooooooooooo |
| 15:07.54 | Fisker | and i would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those pesky meddling Thunder_Child's |
| 15:08.25 | Thunder_Child | replicates some more |
| 15:09.39 | kneeki | Anyone care to share some expertise with me on http://www.wowi.pastey.net/134843 ? I feel that the OnEvent for loops could be done better |
| 15:10.10 | Fisker | my cats says hit yourself at the back of your head with your feet |
| 15:10.12 | kneeki | Especially since it's just the same code twice -.- |
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| 15:10.50 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 15:10.54 | Shirik | I will destroy you |
| 15:11.11 | Fisker | you can always try |
| 15:11.42 | Shirik | I can always do |
| 15:11.45 | Shirik | there is no try |
| 15:13.22 | Fisker | https://eu.battle.net/matchmaking/index.html |
| 15:14.42 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:38.21 | Arathros | anyone know details on easter events? |
| 15:39.15 | Arathros | begins on sunday baaah |
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| 15:41.49 | dardack | i have a question, is there a way to call a macro from an addon? or is there a way to set SecureActionButtonTemplate to be called with a whisper and nto having to click anything? |
| 15:42.36 | olafski | sounds like exactly what that system is made to prevent :P |
| 15:44.58 | dardack | yea just as a blood dk tank would love to auto hysteria someone |
| 15:45.25 | dardack | can the static dialog accept call a spell? |
| 15:45.38 | dardack | or does it have to be a created button? |
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| 15:47.18 | olafski | no clue.. but automating stuff like that is quite close to botting |
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| 15:47.52 | sylvanaar_atwork | bots Fisker |
| 15:48.05 | dardack | not really if i still have to click a button |
| 15:53.02 | zenzelezz | "you doing quests" "yes" "me to lol how old are you im 10 years old" |
| 15:53.04 | zenzelezz | ... |
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| 15:55.27 | Lunessa | noitats |
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| 16:04.26 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Ristretto_Venti_Half-Soy_Nonfat_Decaf_Organic_Chocolate_Brownie_Iced_Vanilla_Double-Shot_Gingerbread_Frappuccino_Extra_Hot_with_Foam_Whipped_Cream_Upside_Down_Double_Blended,_One_Sweet'N_Low_and_One_Nutrasweet,_and_Ice |
| 16:05.35 | Shirik | This looks like something Fisker would do: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 16:05.49 | Shirik | hopefully that didn't get cut off, unfortunately there's no easy way to tell |
| 16:05.56 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:07.58 | Fisker | it didn't :( |
| 16:08.04 | Fisker | and there is! |
| 16:10.56 | cog|away | Lunessa: noitamanyd |
| 16:12.06 | Lunessa | cogwheel: emosewa |
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| 16:16.21 | cogwheel | Atheist Meme of the Day: Atheists are among the most maligned groups in the world, and most of the negative things you hear about us are simply attempts to marginalize us and trivialize our ideas. We do, however, eat babies. That one's true. Don't pass this on: if you tell anyone, we'll have to kill you. |
| 16:16.46 | Dashkal | succulent delicious babies? |
| 16:16.54 | Lunessa | cogwheel: With BBQ sauce? |
| 16:17.50 | cogwheel | I was thinking more like a garlic & wine sauce. Something more along the lines of veal |
| 16:18.59 | Lunessa | I'll just have the chicken then. |
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| 16:19.36 | Lunessa | Although I'm not an atheist, so I guess it doesn't matter. |
| 16:20.27 | Kraps | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/equipmentpotency.xml |
| 16:20.31 | cogwheel | There are plenty of other reasons to eat babies, imo |
| 16:20.40 | Dashkal | Never too late to convert your dining :P |
| 16:21.40 | Kraps | whos eating babies! |
| 16:22.05 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I prefer to subsist on the suffering a tears of others. Renewable resource, no long-gestation period. GO green. |
| 16:22.16 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 16:22.32 | Dashkal | hmm, those could probably be combined... |
| 16:22.32 | cogwheel | Lunessa: sounds like Alestane's forum sig... |
| 16:22.57 | Fisker | btw guys |
| 16:23.01 | Fisker | you're so gullible |
| 16:23.16 | Fisker | the epeen thing is an april fools |
| 16:23.22 | zenzelezz | no wai |
| 16:23.24 | Lunessa | cogwheel: It is a related thing; though with the number of times I've signed up to be an MMO guild leader, I think I'm actually fueled by my own suffering.:P |
| 16:23.25 | cogwheel | ZOMG SPOILER |
| 16:23.51 | cogwheel | :P :| *looks around innocently* |
| 16:24.23 | Fisker | you die |
| 16:25.09 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/matchmaking.html |
| 16:25.15 | Kraps | ^ is real |
| 16:25.23 | Dashkal | It's an april fools joke? Noooooooo!!!!! |
| 16:29.43 | Taroven | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM&feature=youtu.be - Change the res to TEXTp |
| 16:30.29 | Kraps | you guys seen the armory? |
| 16:30.34 | Kraps | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&cn=Aiyz |
| 16:30.41 | Kraps | Ninjaed [Surgeon's Needle]. (Vendored) |
| 16:30.43 | Kraps | :( |
| 16:30.55 | Taroven | ROFL. |
| 16:30.57 | olafski | yes |
| 16:31.00 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 16:31.07 | nevcairiel | you're also a tuskarr |
| 16:31.14 | Kraps | ya |
| 16:31.31 | Lunessa | WOOT |
| 16:31.36 | Lunessa | TUSKAR- BITCHES |
| 16:32.16 | Lunessa | "Cheesed the achievement Call in the Cavalry for 10 points. Mar 27, 2010" |
| 16:32.46 | Fisker | DNF would've gone gold today QQ |
| 16:32.59 | dardack | so is there anyway to ty the onaccept button from staticpopupdialogs to a spell cast? |
| 16:33.13 | cogwheel | My primary professions of Fishing and Fishing are up to 450 and 461, respectively |
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| 16:36.08 | Shirik | tackles Lunessa |
| 16:36.49 | Lunessa | is tackled. |
| 16:38.19 | Kraps | wait that official WoWI addon is real? |
| 16:39.56 | nicoli_s | doubtful |
| 16:40.13 | Shirik | why doubtful? |
| 16:40.17 | Shirik | Look at the code yourself, Kraps |
| 16:40.31 | Kraps | <---- is not a coder |
| 16:40.37 | Shadowed | it is real |
| 16:40.39 | Shirik | well we need to fix that then don't we! |
| 16:41.01 | nicoli_s | shirik: i dont doubt its an addon, i doubt its claims while still allowing other addons to work |
| 16:41.27 | Shirik | I have not yet seen it break another addon |
| 16:42.30 | nicoli_s | but have you seen it consistently achieve the numbers posted, without interfering with other addons? |
| 16:43.18 | Shirik | reviewing the various performance addons I have, I saw a significant boost |
| 16:43.33 | Shirik | and SSS is unaware of any other addons, so it's not going out to that addon and going "here lol" |
| 16:44.11 | zenzelezz | it also adds 2.5k to your gearscore |
| 16:44.16 | olafski | very real kraps |
| 16:44.34 | nicoli_s | is still doubtful |
| 16:44.36 | olafski | it multiplies fps with 2, reduces the cpu usage number by 25% etc |
| 16:44.54 | Shirik | that is a lie |
| 16:45.00 | Shirik | we never said, nor does it, double your framerate |
| 16:45.07 | Shirik | that kind of performance boost is nearly imposssible to attain |
| 16:45.12 | Shirik | you need new hardware forthat |
| 16:45.16 | olafski | the code seems to indicate otherwise |
| 16:45.36 | Shirik | you talking about the part that says GetFramerate() * 2? |
| 16:45.40 | Shirik | Read the comments in that section |
| 16:45.50 | Kraps | whats k:match? |
| 16:45.54 | Shirik | that's to trigger the GC when your framerate goes above 2 above its original |
| 16:46.02 | Shirik | string.match(k, ...) Kraps |
| 16:46.54 | Kraps | and ratek? |
| 16:46.58 | olafski | don't have syntax hilighting in my viewer but I would think this is all between multiline comment delimiters |
| 16:47.11 | Shirik | no it's between a multiline string |
| 16:47.24 | Shirik | we have to execute loadstring() to be able to embed the old framerate |
| 16:47.31 | olafski | you did make this look believable ;) |
| 16:48.24 | Shirik | I don't think it's very wise to make something practical unbelievable |
| 16:49.10 | Shirik | hey Kraps |
| 16:49.20 | Kraps | hey |
| 16:49.59 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/134854-2i1s |
| 16:50.04 | Shirik | people need to stop asking >< |
| 16:51.30 | Kraps | because you are awesome, and you cant run away from your awesomeness |
| 16:51.33 | Kraps | sorry |
| 16:52.25 | olafski | well at least it looks a bit more believable than the blizzard jokes.. and it seems they couldn't decide on which joke to pull =( |
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| 16:53.02 | Shirik | olafski, I wish you would stop calling it a joke. A lot of people would take offense to someone calling an addon a joke. |
| 16:53.27 | cogwheel | srsbsns is srs |
| 16:53.33 | Kraps | what could blizzard do that people would believe olafski? |
| 16:53.40 | olafski | dunno kraps |
| 16:53.44 | olafski | shirik: oh come on :P |
| 16:54.03 | zenzelezz | Shirik is a delicate flower, plz not to mock his codes |
| 16:54.13 | Kraps | the only thing they could do at this point is something funny |
| 16:54.24 | olafski | I guess, but they have done more subtle stuff |
| 16:54.33 | Kraps | like the bnet thing |
| 16:54.42 | nevcairiel | i love how they mock gearscore |
| 16:54.44 | nevcairiel | so awesome |
| 16:54.49 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23 | WoWI's first official addon: http://cot.ag/ddvCZ7 | Shirik is a delicate flower - zenzelezz |
| 16:54.58 | Shadowed | truth |
| 16:55.42 | olafski | kraps: bnet is a joke? I knew it |
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| 16:56.31 | Kraps | nevcairiel: this is the best part http://pastey.net/134855 |
| 16:56.32 | olafski | I also don't really get why they put their april fools joke pages online before they were done.. so it seemed anyway |
| 16:57.18 | nevcairiel | olafski: because its 1st today, not tomorrow, duh! |
| 16:57.30 | nevcairiel | also, only the eu matchmaking page seems bugged, use the us one :d |
| 16:57.48 | olafski | I refreshed and it worked |
| 16:57.58 | olafski | the cain mp3s weren't online when I first saw that page either though.. odd |
| 16:58.10 | Lunessa | This SSS is brilliant. I'm really impressed! |
| 16:58.43 | olafski | sigh |
| 16:58.44 | olafski | :P |
| 16:59.05 | alestane | 'SSS'? |
| 16:59.27 | olafski | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16350-SSS.html |
| 17:00.10 | mikma | Super SS -nazi |
| 17:00.50 | Kraps | it really works! |
| 17:00.54 | alestane | /snrk |
| 17:01.09 | zenzelezz | SUper SS Rally GT Fastback Hardtop Sprint |
| 17:01.17 | Shadowed | awesome |
| 17:01.24 | mikma | it must work, cause my wow is superfast when it's not on |
| 17:01.31 | Shadowed | google gives you directions to kayak across the pacific ocean for 3,000 miles |
| 17:01.34 | olafski | o rly kraps :P |
| 17:04.36 | Shadowed | 7000 actually |
| 17:05.18 | Lunessa | As long as it's not over NINE THOUSAND |
| 17:05.26 | Shadowed | ~lart Lunessa |
| 17:05.26 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on Lunessa |
| 17:06.05 | Shirik | it used to say to swim across the pacific ocean |
| 17:06.41 | amro | it's a tad bit tiring, if you can't make it to hawaii before needing a break you're in trouble |
| 17:06.53 | Lunessa | So, the question is... can you carry enough water for the crossing in a kayak ? |
| 17:07.11 | nevcairiel | you use a mobile de-salting plant |
| 17:07.24 | Lunessa | Better be a good one. |
| 17:07.31 | amro | and NASA's urine purifier. |
| 17:07.42 | Lunessa | mmmm.... purified urine. |
| 17:07.56 | Kraps | blizzard vs bioware http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/532.184371-Poll-Round-5-Field-of-Four-2-Blizzard-vs-1-BioWare |
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| 17:08.00 | mikma | amro: go and google "AdBlue" ;( |
| 17:08.04 | mikma | amro: ;)* |
| 17:09.24 | amro | I wonder what their production plants look like |
| 17:09.34 | amro | maybe they make them on location at rest stops |
| 17:10.54 | Kraps | Twitter is over capacity. Too many tweets! Please wait a moment and try again. |
| 17:11.35 | amro | too many twats |
| 17:11.35 | Kraps | who else doesnt give a shit? |
| 17:12.05 | foxlit | youtube's april fools doesn't work :( |
| 17:12.19 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5506747/announcing-koticku |
| 17:12.22 | haste | it's US only or so foxlit |
| 17:12.33 | foxlit | haste: probably |
| 17:12.40 | Dashkal | Heh, I'd totally play Blackthorne 2. "Twitter and Facebook integration to automatically post updates for every single enemy you kill. Your friends will thank you." |
| 17:14.17 | Fisker | i wouldn't |
| 17:14.21 | Dashkal | Ok, the DRM bit on Queen's Quest is total win. |
| 17:14.34 | Fisker | link |
| 17:14.39 | Dashkal | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/mobile/ |
| 17:14.50 | olafski | kraps: If you change line 59 to " ratek = 4;" then you gain even more FPS |
| 17:14.56 | Fisker | omg! |
| 17:14.57 | olafski | or even more! |
| 17:16.04 | Kraps | olafski: i was wondering about that |
| 17:16.09 | alestane | There's an image: "A hundred words slammed into each other as she snapped her jaw shut on them. |
| 17:16.21 | Kraps | buts its a joke yeah? |
| 17:16.34 | olafski | try it kraps |
| 17:16.38 | olafski | I guarantee it'll work! |
| 17:16.40 | Dashkal | No. Everything you read today is real. |
| 17:16.51 | Dashkal | _Everything_ |
| 17:17.11 | Kraps | lies! |
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| 17:17.55 | olafski | but yes as I said before.. :) |
| 17:18.11 | Fisker | DNF would've gone gold today :( |
| 17:18.25 | Fisker | the sad part is that it's true |
| 17:18.58 | Dashkal | wee, office time. laters |
| 17:20.13 | Shirik | ~wiki CKuM GiT It cKiTy |
| 17:21.18 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 17:23.35 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5506854/your-april-fools-survival-guide-%5Bupdate%5D |
| 17:24.20 | dardack | is there an api call to tell if focus is set? |
| 17:25.01 | cogwheel | UnitExists |
| 17:25.06 | cogwheel | !api unitexists |
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| 17:25.09 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'unitexists'. |
| 17:25.15 | cogwheel | hmm |
| 17:25.34 | Shirik | ~weather kdab |
| 17:25.42 | Shirik | qq |
| 17:25.44 | Shirik | Fisker make it warmer |
| 17:25.56 | cogwheel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitExists |
| 17:26.09 | cogwheel | jnwhiteh: lua_bot seems to be fail atm... |
| 17:27.58 | dardack | ty |
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| 17:29.08 | Lunessa | Shadowed: LULZ. |
| 17:29.12 | Shadowed | ? |
| 17:29.30 | Lunessa | (Premium) |
| 17:29.39 | Kraps | http://www.hulu.com/ |
| 17:29.44 | Shadowed | Factually true about a logically accurate title |
| 17:30.04 | Lunessa | Shadowed: It just made me laugh |
| 17:32.03 | cogwheel | http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/03/cthulhu-pet-giant-isopod-photos-sea-monster-reddit-attached-underwater-robot.php (dated yesterday so ??) |
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| 17:33.12 | Kraps | youtube's text this is great |
| 17:33.16 | Kraps | thing* |
| 17:33.29 | Fisker | never worked here :( |
| 17:33.56 | Fisker | lol good job Shadowed |
| 17:34.05 | Fisker | you managed to make the aura bug extend to 2 auras now |
| 17:34.48 | zenzelezz | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#333 lol |
| 17:35.23 | Shadowed | haha |
| 17:36.06 | alestane | 'Best quote about this whole thing comes from user Neuraxis on Reddit: "Do you realize how much sh*t you're going to be in once Cthulhu finds out his dog's missing?" Ha!' |
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| 17:41.09 | dardack | is there a way to tell if a spell is on CD or not? |
| 17:42.50 | alestane | !api GetSpellCooldown |
| 17:42.53 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GetSpellCooldown'. |
| 17:43.11 | alestane | Okay, what did I use then... |
| 17:43.29 | cogwheel | http://luxurylanesoap.bigcartel.com/product/solo-soap for when you must rub Harrison Ford all over your wet, naked body |
| 17:43.31 | dardack | it is that |
| 17:43.33 | dardack | ty |
| 17:43.33 | nevcairiel | the bot is broken, alestane |
| 17:43.38 | nevcairiel | !api UnitName |
| 17:43.42 | lua_bot | GetUnitName: Returns a string summarizing a unit's name and server (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetUnitName) |
| 17:43.47 | nevcairiel | hm or not |
| 17:43.54 | nevcairiel | or wait, thats the wrong one |
| 17:43.59 | alestane | No, because that function is UnitName. |
| 17:44.00 | alestane | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetSpellCooldown |
| 17:44.11 | alestane | I was in fact right, lua_bot seems ill. |
| 17:44.34 | cogwheel | alestane: yep... had that problem 20 mins up |
| 17:44.47 | nevcairiel | it was broken a week ago or so, but i thought jnwhiteh fixed it |
| 17:44.52 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I refuse to feel shame for desiring this soap. |
| 17:45.02 | alestane | Yes, remembered that after I entered the request by reflex. |
| 17:45.06 | alestane | Soap? |
| 17:45.44 | cogwheel | my most recent link :P |
| 17:46.06 | alestane | I see. |
| 17:46.24 | cogwheel | :( birds are out in full force this morning. And I say ":(" because by "full force" I'm referring to their impact with my office window... There went #3... |
| 17:46.48 | alestane | Are they surviving? |
| 17:47.25 | cogwheel | Sure doesn't sound like it, but there aren't any stunned carcasses writhing on the ground |
| 17:47.28 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/photoshop_113_if-online-april-fools-pranks-had-balls/ |
| 17:47.44 | Fisker | anyway Shadowed |
| 17:47.51 | Fisker | ElitistArmory should support dualspec |
| 17:47.55 | zenzelezz | I thought most carcasses were dead, not stunned |
| 17:47.57 | Shadowed | it does |
| 17:47.58 | Fisker | well armory should too |
| 17:48.00 | Fisker | does not |
| 17:48.00 | Shadowed | failed |
| 17:52.22 | jnwhiteh | "lua_bot seems ill" |
| 17:52.27 | jnwhiteh | yes no one tells me |
| 17:52.28 | jnwhiteh | useful. |
| 17:52.31 | jnwhiteh | what precisely is the problem |
| 17:52.36 | Fisker | so Shadowed |
| 17:52.37 | nevcairiel | !api UnitName |
| 17:52.38 | lua_bot | GetUnitName: Returns a string summarizing a unit's name and server (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetUnitName) |
| 17:52.42 | nevcairiel | wrong function ^ |
| 17:52.48 | nevcairiel | !api UnitExists |
| 17:52.48 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UnitExists'. |
| 17:52.50 | Fisker | where can i see my offspec gear on Elitist armory then? |
| 17:52.51 | nevcairiel | none ^ |
| 17:53.04 | jnwhiteh | reload> |
| 17:55.40 | jnwhiteh | !api UnitExists |
| 17:55.40 | lua_bot | UnitExists: Returns whether a unit exists (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitExists) |
| 17:55.42 | jnwhiteh | !api UnitName |
| 17:55.42 | lua_bot | UnitName: Returns the name of a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitName) |
| 17:56.01 | alestane | http://www.cracked.com/forums/index.php?topic=65386.msg1476735#msg1476735 |
| 17:59.30 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/like-himself-his-answer-was-full-of-crap/4882 oops |
| 17:59.30 | Fisker | what's the matter Shadowed ? |
| 17:59.33 | Fisker | cat got your tongue? |
| 18:04.49 | Shadowed | no was busy doing work |
| 18:05.01 | Shadowed | http://elitistarmory.com/us/mal'ganis/shadow http://elitistarmory.com/us/Mal'Ganis/Shadow/1 |
| 18:07.30 | olafski | position in queue keeps going up? :s |
| 18:11.02 | Shadowed | it branch queues |
| 18:11.10 | Shadowed | Queues character, character queue talents/achievements |
| 18:11.36 | olafski | ahh |
| 18:11.56 | olafski | so that queue going up was actually all related to the single request I sent (which happened by clicking on your guild name :)) |
| 18:12.01 | Shadowed | yea |
| 18:12.05 | Fisker | so Shadowed |
| 18:12.11 | Fisker | as i told you ;3 |
| 18:15.30 | Kraps | am i undergeared for VoA 25? http://elitistarmory.com/US/Kirin%20Tor/Aiyz |
| 18:15.57 | Lunessa | No. |
| 18:16.25 | Lunessa | You need a lot of enchants though! |
| 18:16.38 | Kraps | right! |
| 18:16.47 | Kraps | i got the weapon i wanted |
| 18:17.35 | Shadowed | you can do VOA naked |
| 18:18.06 | Kraps | well i got kicked |
| 18:18.37 | Lunessa | Kraps: Someone was looking to over-gear/over-power the instance so they could to it like idiots and zerg rush it. |
| 18:21.18 | Lunessa | Man, I haven't logged in since Monday. Working nights is killing me. |
| 18:23.42 | Kraps | pandora needs to stop playing the CD _and_ radio versions of songs |
| 18:25.26 | Kraps | elitest armory is part of mmo-champion? |
| 18:26.08 | Shadowed | no |
| 18:26.26 | Shadowed | wowhead's API support is limited |
| 18:28.13 | Fisker | http://elitistarmory.com/EU/Ravencrest/Fiskerdin <-nom nom nom |
| 18:28.55 | Lunessa | Shadowed: For EA - on the ranking pages, you should make it possible to go to a specific page. |
| 18:28.56 | olafski | heh queue position has been hovering around 2k for 20 minutes now |
| 18:29.08 | Shadowed | mmm |
| 18:29.10 | Shadowed | moment |
| 18:29.21 | Shadowed | actually it's at 6k :p |
| 18:29.33 | olafski | the position of my request then I guess |
| 18:29.54 | olafski | I didn't even really care to see it :$ just like to see progress bars/numbers! |
| 18:30.23 | Shadowed | Lunessa: Yea, I need to improve the rankings page. I only really added it so Google had more to spider :P |
| 18:30.26 | Fisker | btw Shadowed |
| 18:30.34 | Lunessa | :D It's cool. :) |
| 18:30.39 | Fisker | Why don't we have an option to toggle raid buffs, etc? |
| 18:30.53 | Shadowed | because it's not Rawr |
| 18:31.08 | Shadowed | Looks like it's processing requests fine thought |
| 18:31.19 | Fisker | your mom is rawr |
| 18:31.28 | Shadowed | I need to go get food and do a few more things, but I'll push a version with some worker improvements in a bit |
| 18:31.32 | Fisker | anyway was more thinking about expertise |
| 18:31.44 | Fisker | because it shows mine as 4% though realistically i'll be capped due to the glyph |
| 18:31.51 | Fisker | but say, an idiot, may not consider that |
| 18:31.56 | Shadowed | cause I don't hate myself enough mostly |
| 18:32.06 | Fisker | true |
| 18:32.07 | Fisker | but you should |
| 18:32.08 | Shadowed | it's way too much maintenance to keep track of all the raid buffs and how they interact |
| 18:32.13 | Fisker | because i hate you |
| 18:32.35 | foxlit | You're useless, Fountain Goldfish. |
| 18:32.45 | Lunessa | but tasty! |
| 18:33.25 | foxlit | Can't be; only 7.5k / 30s |
| 18:33.34 | Shadowed | ? |
| 18:34.31 | Shadowed | oh I think priorities are messed up actually |
| 18:35.19 | Lunessa | foxlit: Tasty, not nutricious. |
| 18:35.39 | foxlit | Besides, it's raw fish. |
| 18:36.02 | nevcairiel | make sushi |
| 18:36.10 | foxlit | That counts as cooking. |
| 18:36.35 | Shadowed | Ah! I see what's happening |
| 18:36.55 | Shadowed | It's using the queue position from the internal spidering, not the actual one |
| 18:37.22 | Shadowed | if you manually queue, it'll fix itself |
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| 18:40.14 | Fisker | why is 3 kills on marrowgar heroic "+0 points"? :o |
| 18:40.20 | Shadowed | because it's marrowgar |
| 18:40.40 | Fisker | so? |
| 18:41.11 | Fisker | Marrowgar is vastly harder than deathwhisper heroic on 10-man :P |
| 18:41.42 | Fisker | infact if anyone should be +0 it should be gunship and possibly rotface |
| 18:41.51 | Shadowed | gunship should be 0 |
| 18:41.53 | Fisker | rotface is a joke |
| 18:42.01 | Shadowed | I'll look into it later thought |
| 18:42.02 | Shadowed | need food |
| 18:44.48 | alestane | 'No. This goes so far beyond "horrid" that it ends up at "good" again, but keeps right on going to end up at "bloody awful."' |
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| 18:51.02 | Fisker | why am i fucking blind Shadowed? |
| 18:51.12 | Fisker | you're fucking awesome Shadowed |
| 18:51.13 | Fisker | i love you |
| 18:51.17 | Shadowed | I dunno |
| 18:51.19 | Shadowed | also why |
| 18:51.36 | Fisker | i clicked on the talent link instead of the gear |
| 18:51.36 | Fisker | durr |
| 18:51.38 | zenzelezz | Fisker: surely your mother warned you that would happen if you were naughty |
| 18:51.58 | Fisker | ;(? |
| 18:52.46 | Fisker | anyone been on Dreamwalker 25 HC? |
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| 18:55.10 | Fisker | btw Shadowed EA doesn't spot enchanter only enchants |
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| 18:57.39 | dardack | can you make a secureactionbutton appear during combat? |
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| 19:02.12 | Dashkal | Now your baby too can enjoy the artery clogging goodness: http://failblog.org/2010/04/01/epic-fail-photos-bacon-fail-or-win/ |
| 19:03.44 | olafski | cool |
| 19:03.50 | olafski | if that weren't a joke I'd be ordering |
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| 19:07.30 | dardack | can you make a secureactionbutton appear during combat? |
| 19:08.39 | olafski | guess |
| 19:09.34 | nevcairiel | under very special circumstances |
| 19:09.48 | nevcairiel | and conditions |
| 19:09.51 | nevcairiel | generally: no |
| 19:10.02 | dardack | sucky |
| 19:10.32 | olafski | you must like the word no.. you keep asking questions that are answered with it ;) |
| 19:11.12 | dardack | i guess, just annoying that you can't make a button appear during combat, even if to click on it |
| 19:11.30 | olafski | isn't that the point of buttons? |
| 19:11.36 | olafski | to click on them? |
| 19:11.38 | zenzelezz | just put it somewhere non-intrusive and have it visible all the time |
| 19:11.46 | olafski | yeh :P |
| 19:11.48 | zenzelezz | or set up a direct keybinding for your spell |
| 19:12.05 | dardack | yea but then when i get whispered the key word i still wouldn't know, otherwise i'd just use a macro |
| 19:12.12 | dardack | can you move the frame during combat? |
| 19:12.19 | nevcairiel | no |
| 19:12.26 | dardack | of couser not |
| 19:12.39 | nevcairiel | you cant automate stuff like this anymore |
| 19:12.43 | nevcairiel | in no way :d |
| 19:12.57 | olafski | heh that would make addons like clcret (I think?) quite.. advantageous |
| 19:13.02 | dardack | it still requires a click, so guess i dind't think it was still automation |
| 19:13.29 | olafski | what if you have 10 of such buttons and move them under the mouse in an optimal fashion? |
| 19:13.30 | nevcairiel | decursive required a keypress |
| 19:13.35 | olafski | just need to spam clicks :) |
| 19:13.35 | nevcairiel | yet you could spam that one button and be done with it |
| 19:13.44 | zenzelezz | dardack: if you could move and hide/show, you would just pop the appropriate "HIT ME NOW" button under the cursor |
| 19:13.44 | olafski | that was nice wasn't it nevcairiel :P |
| 19:13.56 | nevcairiel | i never missed it |
| 19:14.07 | olafski | molten core was so much fun as a priest, after garr |
| 19:14.23 | olafski | I only had to press 2 buttons (and move along with the rest of the group) |
| 19:14.27 | olafski | didn't even have to move the mouse |
| 19:14.28 | alestane | You can use a secure state driver so that a secure button appears only during combat, but you can't show and hide one at arbitrary points during combat unless something else noteworthy has happened to trigger the change, such as entering or leaving stealth, changing stance, etc. |
| 19:14.41 | DWSR | There is no way that the random battleground is random. |
| 19:14.45 | DWSR | I have got eots 4 times in a row |
| 19:14.45 | nevcairiel | not on whispers, anyway |
| 19:14.53 | DWSR | And I haven't won 1 yet for my daily |
| 19:14.58 | olafski | that must mean it's not random! |
| 19:15.12 | dardack | alestane but still can't move the frame either tho right? |
| 19:15.20 | olafski | just like not getting the item you want 5 times in a row means it will never drop ;) |
| 19:15.28 | nevcairiel | in a secure environment, you can do nearly everything |
| 19:15.32 | alestane | On those transition points, you can move it to predetermined locations. |
| 19:15.36 | nevcairiel | however, there are only so much triggers for it |
| 19:15.45 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, that's not how probability works. if you don't get the item you want 5 times in a row, it's *almost certain* the next time |
| 19:15.48 | nevcairiel | and you cant get external information |
| 19:15.50 | ZorbaTHut | gotta average out in the long run, y'know |
| 19:15.58 | olafski | ah true zorbathut :( |
| 19:16.14 | olafski | funny how at least part of that statement was true :P |
| 19:16.32 | dardack | how about when i click the secure button can i make a separate non secure frame disappear? |
| 19:16.43 | nevcairiel | you can whatever you want to non-secure frames |
| 19:16.44 | dardack | or click the keybinding? |
| 19:17.01 | alestane | HookScript should suffice for that, or parent the other frame to the secure frame. |
| 19:17.24 | dardack | ok now explain to me something quick if you can, on one of my mods for random mounts, i added druid/shaman shift forms with keybinding, but when you first log int you have to click keybinding twice, after that only once |
| 19:17.36 | dardack | until you log back in again, is this intended or did i screw up? |
| 19:21.38 | dardack | anyone? |
| 19:21.44 | olafski | no clue dude =) |
| 19:21.52 | dardack | alright ty |
| 19:22.02 | dardack | guess i could attach the keybinding on login |
| 19:22.29 | olafski | it still seems odd to want to cast hysteria when someone whispers you |
| 19:22.36 | olafski | are you expecting them to keep track of the cooldown instead of you? |
| 19:22.54 | olafski | maybe they can whisper you to do your other abilities as well ;) |
| 19:23.27 | olafski | in vanilla I had one button for decursive, one to cast flash heal on the raid member with lowest hp |
| 19:23.50 | olafski | an addon to auto cancel if the person had been healed before my cast was done, an addon to auto cast buffs on people when they whispered the name of the buff.. |
| 19:25.30 | Lunessa | Ahhh.. Whispercast, the priest's friend for Molten Core and Blackwing Lair. |
| 19:26.14 | dardack | no i'm a tank |
| 19:26.20 | dardack | but i have hysteria |
| 19:26.39 | dardack | i want to give to top melee dps, but either i miss his whisper when he wants it, or i give it to him when he's cast DW which it doesn't stack with |
| 19:27.15 | ZorbaTHut | rig it so that when he whispers you, it plays a loud distinctive sound effect and pops something up on the screen reading "HEY DOOFUS HYSTERIA NOW" |
| 19:27.22 | ZorbaTHut | that's the best you'll manage |
| 19:27.39 | dardack | yea i know |
| 19:27.45 | dardack | was trying to get it better |
| 19:28.47 | dardack | can you play custom sounds? |
| 19:28.49 | ZorbaTHut | it's impossible for it to do it for you, and it's impossible for it to rig things so you can do it automatically, etc, etc |
| 19:28.55 | ZorbaTHut | I believe so, yes (though I don't know the details) |
| 19:29.08 | dardack | i knew it was imposible to do it for me |
| 19:29.20 | dardack | but didn't realize trying to show a button was that big a deal |
| 19:29.44 | dardack | i think i'm gonna ty it to a key binding and pop up an unsecure frame, then once keybinding is used, close frame |
| 19:30.17 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's a reasonable approach |
| 19:30.49 | Shadowed | eh? |
| 19:30.50 | Shadowed | yes it does Fisker |
| 19:31.20 | Fisker | ? |
| 19:31.34 | dardack | zorbathut do you know why (at least on my other mod) when i first log in i have to hit the keybinding twice, like the first one seems to actually bind it, second casts, and each push after casts it, only when i log in/reloadui |
| 19:32.01 | Fisker | http://elitistarmory.com/eu/Ravencrest/Fiskerdin/2 http://elitistarmory.com/eu/Ravencrest/Fiskerdin/1 |
| 19:32.01 | ZorbaTHut | nope, not a clue. |
| 19:32.11 | Fisker | neither lists stamina or attackpower enchant on ring |
| 19:32.20 | alestane | First binding might get done before bindings are loaded from the server. |
| 19:32.25 | Fisker | and doesn't even figure out that i missed it on one of the rings |
| 19:32.53 | dardack | na it can be like 10 minutes logged in alestane |
| 19:33.10 | Shadowed | mmm that shouldn't happen |
| 19:33.12 | Shadowed | I'll look into it |
| 19:34.02 | Fisker | you would |
| 19:34.18 | p3lim^ | Does statusbar frames accept OnClick and/or OnMouseUp|Down scripts? |
| 19:34.47 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: typo alert |
| 19:34.55 | alestane | OnMouse{}, yes. Any frame does. |
| 19:34.58 | Gnarfoz | "It won't stop them from standing The Fire⢠(unfortunately!)." <- something's missing |
| 19:35.23 | Shadowed | will fix |
| 19:35.44 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 19:35.45 | p3lim^ | Because I can't get neither to work |
| 19:35.47 | DWSR | Shadowed: SUF's party frames aren't showing me the party in order of tank healer dps dps dps |
| 19:35.56 | kneeki | p3lim^: You need to frame:EnableMouse(true) |
| 19:35.58 | DWSR | p3lim^: can't get either, FYI |
| 19:36.05 | kneeki | and it has to be a buttom frame |
| 19:36.08 | p3lim^ | kneeki: I'll try that, thanks |
| 19:36.11 | kneeki | CreateFrame("Button") |
| 19:36.26 | p3lim^ | The whole point is the statusbar |
| 19:36.31 | p3lim^ | so no, no buttons |
| 19:36.38 | DWSR | p3lim^: So make the button on top. |
| 19:36.42 | kneeki | ^ |
| 19:36.43 | DWSR | p3lim^: With no text or background. |
| 19:36.46 | kneeki | 'see through' |
| 19:36.49 | DWSR | ^ |
| 19:36.55 | DWSR | ^5 keeki |
| 19:36.58 | DWSR | kneeki* |
| 19:37.08 | p3lim^ | Then I could just make a frame, or anything really |
| 19:37.13 | p3lim^ | But I'll do some testing first |
| 19:37.24 | kneeki | :) |
| 19:37.42 | DWSR | It might seem a little hackish to do it that way (and tbh, it is), but that's all that you can really do. |
| 19:37.54 | p3lim^ | :EnableMouse() fixed it :) |
| 19:37.58 | kneeki | =D |
| 19:38.07 | p3lim^ | Neat, my rolling frames are finished |
| 19:38.18 | kneeki | hooray, what's it do? |
| 19:39.47 | p3lim^ | http://p3lim.net/images/yatzee.jpg |
| 19:40.06 | kneeki | oh nice, that's pretty |
| 19:40.10 | p3lim^ | :) |
| 19:40.32 | p3lim^ | Rightclick on the "bar" to pass on an item, thats why I wanted the OnMouseUp script |
| 19:40.45 | kneeki | Ahh |
| 19:42.47 | p3lim^ | Btw; http://www.p3lim.net/images/tgnettest.jpg |
| 19:43.06 | kneeki | wowsers |
| 19:43.18 | kneeki | I bet you can download porn like mad! |
| 19:43.20 | p3lim^ | Line capasity of 30Gb/s |
| 19:43.43 | p3lim^ | Just got 5,5k other people to share it with |
| 19:44.33 | p3lim^ | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/The_gathering_party_overview.jpg |
| 19:44.42 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 19:44.55 | DWSR | I just jizzed a little. |
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| 19:45.47 | Fisker | why jizz over that? |
| 19:46.12 | kneeki | I bet that room has a unique and pungent smell. |
| 19:46.43 | zenzelezz | it's the 1994 olympic ice skating hall; it's decently ventilated |
| 19:46.45 | p3lim^ | Not really, ventilation is very very good |
| 19:47.09 | p3lim^ | Only smell is at the toilets |
| 19:47.15 | DWSR | Yeah, *that* I can imagine. |
| 19:47.30 | kneeki | haha |
| 19:47.40 | p3lim^ | its really bad :p |
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| 19:48.01 | Gnarfoz | shit, you're at The Gathering? |
| 19:48.30 | Gnarfoz | it's fun I bet :p |
| 19:49.40 | Fisker | btw Gnarfoz |
| 19:49.47 | Fisker | in a few weeks DNF would've been out :( |
| 19:49.56 | Gnarfoz | ahaha |
| 19:49.56 | zenzelezz | hm... think the last time I went to TG was 04 |
| 19:49.58 | Gnarfoz | yeah right |
| 19:50.00 | kneeki | Fisker: Lololol |
| 19:50.05 | Gnarfoz | good one |
| 19:50.07 | Fisker | seriously. |
| 19:50.10 | Fisker | with a . |
| 19:50.19 | p3lim^ | my fifth year this time |
| 19:50.35 | Fisker | The DNF producer said it was going to go gold today |
| 19:50.37 | Fisker | as a huge joke |
| 19:50.43 | Fisker | i.e. double-trolling |
| 19:50.46 | DWSR | http://www.pvponline.com/2010/03/22/innuendndo/ |
| 19:50.51 | zenzelezz | remember Gmail? |
| 19:50.59 | Fisker | why would i? |
| 19:51.02 | kneeki | I really liked the in game models they had created |
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| 19:51.09 | kneeki | neat looking stuff |
| 19:51.23 | zenzelezz | kneeki: which ones? The first/second/... ? |
| 19:51.30 | zenzelezz | they only started over like 10 times |
| 19:51.36 | kneeki | lol yea, that's true |
| 19:51.45 | kneeki | the latest ones, which they released gameplay footage on |
| 19:52.17 | kneeki | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/939/939830/duke-nukem-forever-20081218042325717_640w.jpg&imgrefurl=http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/873999/duke-nukem-forever/images/duke-nukem-forever-20081218042325717.html&usg=__q8WKbJVJ94S0hxDwJ8ndvVmZkzE=&h=400&w=640&sz=125&hl=en&start=6&sig2=U3ISHXKXXC5nE0Uzk4XIiQ&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=lN3eTL-09wMDJM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=1 |
| 19:52.19 | kneeki | 37&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dduke%2Bnukem%2Bforever%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=Zvm0S5WAI4K5_QaHy4i1Dg |
| 19:52.21 | kneeki | yikes |
| 19:52.23 | kneeki | holy crap |
| 19:52.30 | kneeki | http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/939/939830/duke-nukem-forever-20081218042325717.jpg |
| 19:52.38 | Fisker | http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/63093 |
| 19:53.53 | ZorbaTHut | kneeki, yeah, I wish they'd managed to finish it |
| 19:54.04 | kneeki | http://us.battle.net/matchmaking.html |
| 19:54.06 | kneeki | wow |
| 19:54.09 | ZorbaTHut | maybe someone'll pick it up again someday |
| 19:54.10 | kneeki | that's so awesome |
| 19:54.26 | kneeki | There is just something about girls talking geek |
| 19:54.38 | DWSR | any money that they already have |
| 19:54.53 | DWSR | And they're just trying to build up serious hype,. |
| 19:55.05 | DWSR | Though, if they have, we'll have to rename Valve time to 3DR time. |
| 19:59.40 | zenzelezz | so did wowhead just decide to be entirely unhelpful today? |
| 20:00.00 | Gnarfoz | p3lim^: had to shower, yet? http://www.gathering.org/tg10/en/news/287/59/Hygiene-sniffing-dogs-at-TG/ :P hehe |
| 20:03.19 | p3lim^ | I shower at a motell nearby |
| 20:03.20 | p3lim^ | :) |
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| 20:03.29 | Fisker | man we're cheesing it |
| 20:05.09 | mikma | fail-o-fisker |
| 20:05.20 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-feed.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Fiskerdin <-cheese cheese |
| 20:07.59 | mikma | http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2010/04/a_lovely_collage_of_betweenthe.php |
| 20:08.02 | DWSR | http://www.allvatar.com/rex/1221-0-Plantronics-Battle-of-the-Best-GCO-Leipzig-Ensidia-Method-English-Facts.html |
| 20:08.03 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 20:08.09 | DWSR | Ensidia vs. Method live onstage? |
| 20:08.12 | DWSR | Shit I'd go to that. |
| 20:08.35 | Fisker | isn't it cheesy Antiarc ? |
| 20:09.12 | DWSR | anyway, bbl. |
| 20:09.56 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2010/03/bundy_pon_de_floor.php |
| 20:10.02 | mikma | most awesome video ever |
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| 20:13.59 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: you did notice that's from 2009? ^^ |
| 20:14.06 | Kraps | im thinking of taking the mp5 cloak because spirit fails and i can use it for offspec heals http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=50469;50468 |
| 20:14.49 | Kraps | thoughts? |
| 20:15.01 | mikma | das poop |
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| 20:15.14 | Kraps | yeah |
| 20:15.18 | Kraps | wait what |
| 20:17.02 | dardack | ty for everyone's help, my autohysteria works with a keybinding, appreciate it |
| 20:17.28 | foxlit | Kraps: spirit cloak looks better. |
| 20:18.13 | Kraps | foxlit: they're exactly the same except for the socket |
| 20:18.24 | Kraps | i'm a shammy |
| 20:18.43 | foxlit | I'm afraid I meant the texture. |
| 20:19.07 | Kraps | thanks |
| 20:19.11 | Kraps | i think... |
| 20:19.37 | cogwheel | odd... SCO has been trading below $1/share for over a year. why hasn't it been delisted? |
| 20:22.04 | amro | for the lols cogwheel |
| 20:22.18 | amro | aren't they chapter 11 now? |
| 20:23.07 | cogwheel | yeah. don't see how that would affect it though, since being listed on a stock exchange isn't really related to debt |
| 20:24.32 | amro | not directly, but if you're filing for chapter 11 chances are your stock isn't the most expensive |
| 20:24.51 | cogwheel | oh that explains it... |
| 20:24.53 | cogwheel | http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-10-25/business/17136717_1_nasdaq-listed-small-biotech-companies-exchange-s-managers |
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| 20:35.16 | Fisker | we gonna fuck you up Blood Queen Lana'Thel |
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| 20:38.36 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 20:43.15 | Kraps | i predicably forgot something when i went to test my dps on the heroic dummy |
| 20:44.06 | zenzelezz | your weapon? |
| 20:44.48 | Kraps | lol |
| 20:44.57 | Kraps | imbue |
| 20:47.50 | Gnarfoz | don't "test" stuff on dummies :X |
| 20:48.14 | cogwheel | Gnarfoz: depends what you mean |
| 20:48.22 | cogwheel | it's useful as a relative measure |
| 20:48.48 | Gnarfoz | that's true on its own, yes |
| 20:48.58 | Kraps | yeah now i'm getting less than 3500 when i had 3900 before wtf |
| 20:49.06 | Gnarfoz | but even blue posters say that stuff doesn't work the same on dummies as in raids, so |
| 20:49.28 | cogwheel | like trying out different rotations. obviously the mechanics are going to be different against real enemies, but you can at least judge whether some particular stat, spec, etc. change is going to be good or bad |
| 20:50.31 | Gnarfoz | well, when stuff like "debuffs don't apply correctly" is broken, that might skew results |
| 20:50.34 | cogwheel | although, as a warrior, the absolute DPS against target dummys makes me QQ |
| 20:50.45 | cogwheel | wtb rage |
| 20:52.38 | Gnarfoz | it's "wtb mana" for me |
| 20:52.40 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 20:52.58 | Kraps | Gnarfoz is a mage |
| 20:53.09 | Gnarfoz | ...not |
| 20:53.19 | Kraps | durr |
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| 20:54.24 | Gnarfoz | 2pc t10 makes ret mana negative |
| 20:54.25 | Lunessa | I use training dummies as an enhancement shaman to practice responding to procs and changing priorities. |
| 20:54.26 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 20:54.42 | Fisker | baww |
| 20:54.45 | Fisker | 5% wipe on BQ |
| 20:55.16 | Kraps | wrath of air totem isnt reflected in the char window >:( |
| 20:56.02 | Gnarfoz | fun, my old router's console somehow is stuck in ALL CAPS mode |
| 20:56.30 | Gnarfoz | even though it still differentiates caps from lowercase input, all in and output is shown as caps |
| 20:56.50 | Fisker | hey hey |
| 20:56.53 | Fisker | yeah yeah |
| 21:12.09 | OhGrimes | I am going to make the definite soundboard UI mod for WoW! |
| 21:12.14 | OhGrimes | Er. Definitive |
| 21:12.24 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/24038767884-remove-icc-from-weekly-raid.html |
| 21:12.25 | OhGrimes | Considering there aren't any soundboard mods that I can find. |
| 21:13.27 | Shadowed | oh oops |
| 21:13.32 | Shadowed | maybe I shouldn't have removed the profession checks |
| 21:14.23 | zenzelezz | how come? |
| 21:14.24 | Shadowed | Adys you should keep the cake background |
| 21:14.29 | Shadowed | cause it broke things! |
| 21:15.49 | Shadowed | ring enchants will be fixed next push Fisker |
| 21:20.12 | Lunessa | Shadowed: Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The power to accurately gauge n00bishness is insignificant compared to the power of the Force. |
| 21:20.43 | zenzelezz | you know, that'd be even better if it was aimed at Gearscore |
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| 21:20.54 | Shadowed | the goal has always been world domination so! |
| 21:21.00 | Lunessa | Yes, but that guy doesn't hang out here. |
| 21:24.21 | Fisker | k Shadowed |
| 21:24.26 | Fisker | i push u |
| 21:25.06 | Fisker | one thing that would be nice would be if you could upgrade your death's choice to the heroic version |
| 21:25.15 | Fisker | or something between totc heroic and icc level |
| 21:26.58 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/24038608056-halitosis-worriedly-tinny-breakage-discussion.html |
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| 21:44.38 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/04/01/breakfast-topic-romantic-entanglements/ |
| 21:51.22 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: any idea who I should bug (hah) about Rawr3 still dying on importing my character? :< |
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| 21:51.36 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz well, did you just try and import it in the last 10 seconds |
| 21:51.58 | Gnarfoz | "just"? no, I've tried since I last spoke to you about it :D |
| 21:52.50 | Gnarfoz | (not to mention that somehow, the Rawr2 ret module seems to have been broken, its performance is absolutely laughable now, takes ~5 minutes to even get to 10% of a simple "optimize" pass -.-) |
| 21:52.53 | Kraps | Shirik: ping |
| 21:54.31 | Shadowed | submit a ticket for Rawr |
| 21:54.48 | Shadowed | was just going to sa, if you had issues with importing in the last minute, it might ahve been cause I shut the workers off for a minute while upgrading |
| 21:55.23 | Shadowed | yay for memcache |
| 21:55.35 | Gnarfoz | naw, it's always the same, I fill the form fields, click ok, progress bar starts, goes on for about 2-3s and then it dies and kills the browser in the process, too |
| 21:55.41 | Shadowed | Fisker http://elitistarmory.com/eu/Ravencrest/Fiskerdin/1 |
| 21:55.44 | Shadowed | weird Gnarfoz |
| 21:55.57 | Gnarfoz | (also... "Install Offline" does nothing :() |
| 21:56.18 | cogwheel | how odd... The Google Voice Chrome extension causes chrome to fail the acid3 test... |
| 21:56.50 | Fisker | what to do Gnarfoz |
| 21:57.01 | Gnarfoz | dunno, scrap rawr3, maybe |
| 21:57.02 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:57.02 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 21:57.12 | Fisker | fu? |
| 21:58.12 | Kraps | wikipedias front page is great |
| 21:58.59 | Fisker | no |
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| 22:00.24 | Fisker | no |
| 22:02.07 | Kraps | yes |
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| 22:06.39 | Fisker | no |
| 22:07.54 | Kraps | yes |
| 22:08.15 | Fisker | no |
| 22:08.17 | Kraps | yes |
| 22:08.18 | Fisker | no |
| 22:08.23 | Kraps | yes |
| 22:08.24 | Fisker | no |
| 22:08.26 | Kraps | yes |
| 22:08.29 | Fisker | no |
| 22:08.30 | Kraps | yes |
| 22:08.32 | Fisker | no  |
| 22:08.40 | Fisker | excellent |
| 22:08.40 | Kraps | yes |
| 22:08.46 | Shadowed | I could ban you both and settle this |
| 22:08.54 | cogwheel | wherefore art thou shiibot |
| 22:08.56 | Fisker | don't make me turn this channel around Shadowed |
| 22:09.07 | Fisker | EDI couldn't even ban a fly if she tried hard |
| 22:12.04 | Kraps | splain me this: here it says that my cast time is reduced by 26% http://us.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?n=Aiyz&r=Kirin%20Tor but in-game it says 20% |
| 22:13.56 | Fisker | maybe you suck |
| 22:14.01 | Fisker | /case |
| 22:15.10 | Kraps | no |
| 22:17.36 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: funny, I can import my rogue just fine o_O |
| 22:18.05 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/bloody-stupid/4856 |
| 22:18.16 | Gnarfoz | I wonder how/why my char name fucks it up ;D |
| 22:18.46 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: try EU/Das Syndikat/Hooloofoo, if you're bored ^^ |
| 22:20.37 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder |
| 22:20.38 | foxlit | Youtube still hasn't fixed their region-locked textp joke :( |
| 22:21.51 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: whos that? |
| 22:22.50 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: someone who crashes rawr3, as far as anyone in here is concerned! :P |
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| 22:27.51 | Kraps | http://www.elitistarmory.com/faq know is spelled wrong :p |
| 22:29.10 | Shadowed | fixed |
| 22:34.33 | Fisker | wtfudge |
| 22:34.45 | Fisker | chrome already had hardware rendering support? ;o |
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| 22:36.18 | nicoli_s | so shadowed: do you make any money off yer wow themed sites? or just for fun |
| 22:36.27 | Shadowed | I lose money :p |
| 22:36.36 | Shadowed | at least till ads go up |
| 22:36.56 | nicoli_s | ahh well gl |
| 22:37.16 | Shadowed | adsense seems to hate me for some reason |
| 22:37.17 | nicoli_s | i dont play wow, but if i did, id support you :P |
| 22:37.53 | zenzelezz | adsense hates you how? |
| 22:38.03 | Shadowed | just keeps saying something is incomplete without listing why |
| 22:38.20 | zenzelezz | how ironic |
| 22:38.26 | Shadowed | indeed |
| 22:39.43 | Fisker | blows up Shadowed |
| 22:44.26 | Adys | http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/todays-vowel-outage.html |
| 22:45.43 | Fisker | Â |
| 22:53.56 | Adys | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8594101.stm |
| 22:55.13 | cogwheel | Fisker: how many times a day do you ping localhost? |
| 22:56.51 | Gnarfoz | cogwheel: ping -t |
| 22:58.02 | cogwheel | </euphamism> |
| 22:59.44 | cogwheel | retail stores may own pretty much every holiday, but the interwebs have everyone beat when it comes to April Fool's... |
| 23:03.45 | Fisker | ping -t yourself |
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| 23:04.48 | DWSR_ | Good news everyone! |
| 23:05.07 | cogwheel | you grew a tail? |
| 23:05.11 | DWSR_ | I'm in class at 7pm on the Thursday before Good Friday. |
| 23:05.52 | DWSR_ | cogwheel: No..I fixed the slime pipes |
| 23:06.29 | cogwheel | pokes DWSR's _ |
| 23:07.09 | Fisker | btw |
| 23:07.18 | Fisker | Blizzard should just filter goldseller urls |
| 23:07.23 | Fisker | FIX'T FOREVER |
| 23:07.46 | DWSR_ | like I said. |
| 23:08.01 | DWSR_ | they obviously don't care that much. |
| 23:08.24 | Gnarfoz | they should steal BadBoy and have their own, auto-updating, global filter list |
| 23:08.26 | Gnarfoz | :o |
| 23:08.57 | DWSR_ | wouldn't be a bad idea, tbh. |
| 23:09.08 | Gnarfoz | dunno how much RMT "costs" them now, that's probably most corporations' primary measure of importance |
| 23:09.19 | Fisker | oh |
| 23:09.21 | foxlit | It's problametic. |
| 23:09.25 | Fisker | i didn't know you were idiots in here as well |
| 23:09.29 | foxlit | Local filtering solutions work /because/ they're local |
| 23:09.43 | Fisker | The reason why badboy, etc. works is because the goldseller have no way of knowing that an addon stopped him |
| 23:09.46 | Fisker | i.e. what foxlit said |
| 23:10.02 | Gnarfoz | who said anything about making it non-local |
| 23:10.11 | foxlit | You're explicitly accepting that there may be some false positives, and at the same time denying the spammers the ability to target a single implementation. |
| 23:10.14 | Funkeh` | they should just hire me |
| 23:10.17 | Funkeh` | and pay me lots |
| 23:10.23 | Fisker | As soon as something like badboy(They already do filtering btw, though i can understand why they stopped bothering a long time ago if they did) then it gets bypassed in a minute |
| 23:10.24 | Gnarfoz | that would be acceptable, too, Funkeh` |
| 23:11.02 | Fisker | s/badboy/badboy implemented serverside/ |
| 23:11.20 | Shadowed | would be better coming up with automated solutions to stop mass spam or stop dummy accounts from being able to spam |
| 23:11.23 | Shadowed | rather than trying to just filter it all |
| 23:11.27 | DWSR_ | so bitbucket the messages with no error message. |
| 23:11.33 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: they are paid accounts |
| 23:11.37 | DWSR_ | ^ |
| 23:11.38 | Shadowed | still |
| 23:11.51 | Shadowed | you solve more issues stopping it than trying to just filter it out since it's easy to get around |
| 23:12.20 | DWSR_ | i had a 55 dk whisper me. |
| 23:12.21 | Gnarfoz | which just proves that RMT spammers have just too much money to throw around |
| 23:12.21 | Gnarfoz | :X |
| 23:12.21 | Fisker | the fact that we now have 50 teleporthacking trial accounts sitting in orgrimmar is just a proof how pointless this struggle is |
| 23:12.21 | Gnarfoz | (plus, they obviously also use hacked accounts for it, too) |
| 23:12.27 | Fisker | As soon Blizzard removed the dead corpses, they just lied down instead |
| 23:16.19 | DWSR_ | imo, Blizz needs a shun. |
| 23:16.32 | DWSR_ | similar to some IRCds |
| 23:16.57 | DWSR_ | just shun the client from chat, fix't. |
| 23:17.37 | DWSR_ | also, report spam could be linked in to do an auto-shun after a certain amount of reports from players. |
| 23:17.57 | Fisker | it does |
| 23:18.15 | Fisker | unless auto-shun is something else than i think |
| 23:18.21 | DWSR_ | it doesn't, or the limit needs to be lower |
| 23:18.27 | foxlit | a-b-u-s-e |
| 23:19.00 | Fisker | indeed |
| 23:19.03 | foxlit | The cost of spam-control measures hitting any legitimate player are probably much higher than of missing actual spam. |
| 23:19.48 | Kraps | texas hold 'em > farmville |
| 23:20.13 | Arrowmaster | DWSR_: messages containing certain words are bitbucketed by the server |
| 23:20.46 | Arrowmaster | for a long time trying to use www.mmo in chat did nothing |
| 23:20.54 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 23:21.06 | Fisker | fucking annoying since you can't write www.mmo-champion.com |
| 23:21.22 | Fisker | Infact i'd rather have they just remove that filter again |
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| 23:24.34 | Kraps | is mafia wars any good? |
| 23:24.46 | DWSR_ | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Arelin <-- WIN |
| 23:24.48 | foxlit | Kraps: "Do I enjoy playing spreadsheet games?" |
| 23:25.02 | DWSR_ | Blizzard's April Fool's joke wins. |
| 23:25.12 | Kraps | is it like dope wars? |
| 23:25.22 | DWSR_ | Kraps: They're all stupid. |
| 23:25.24 | DWSR_ | Does that help? |
| 23:25.50 | Kraps | playing poker right now |
| 23:25.59 | Kraps | pokers good |
| 23:26.01 | Kraps | :p |
| 23:26.06 | foxlit | http://www.wowarmory.com/_images/theme/wrath/bg-t.jpg if you haven't noticed it while loading |
| 23:26.36 | Fisker | old |
| 23:26.45 | DWSR_ | The way my browser loads the page, I don't see it. |
| 23:26.55 | Arrowmaster | should be impossible to see it while loading |
| 23:27.14 | DWSR_ | Ah, yeah. |
| 23:27.21 | foxlit | Depends. There are multiple divs with backgrounds |
| 23:27.21 | DWSR_ | There's a script when you hit the root. |
| 23:27.24 | Kraps | dude you vendored [Ashen Band of Unmatched Courage]. ! |
| 23:27.31 | DWSR_ | Kraps: Yeah. |
| 23:27.32 | Arrowmaster | xml isnt rendered as its loaded like html is |
| 23:27.37 | DWSR_ | Got my Ashen Band of Endless Courage. |
| 23:27.45 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: I'm getting HTML from armory |
| 23:28.25 | Arrowmaster | odd |
| 23:28.38 | foxlit | More silly than odd. |
| 23:28.41 | Arrowmaster | its clearly xml for me but my browser does say its text/html |
| 23:28.54 | foxlit | They sniff UA headers to figure out what to send you |
| 23:29.05 | foxlit | Rather than the perfectly good Accept-Stuff: |
| 23:29.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know |
| 23:29.29 | DWSR_ | Wowhead, fix your opensearch implementation, thanks. |
| 23:29.35 | Arrowmaster | and they dont even sniff the UA properly |
| 23:30.01 | foxlit | Besides, after the XLST transform is done, who knows how they handle loading of CSS content? |
| 23:30.23 | foxlit | Holding everything until backgrounds of every div are fetched would be weird. |
| 23:30.40 | DWSR_ | Someone please explain to me why I search WoWHead for "Glyph of Unholy Blight (Item)", and get the results page instead of *what I explicitly fucking asked for*? |
| 23:30.55 | DWSR_ | s/search/search from opensearch/ |
| 23:31.45 | Kraps | whats your first result DWSR? |
| 23:32.06 | Kraps | TACOS |
| 23:32.10 | Kraps | DUDE |
| 23:32.18 | Kraps | DONT HATE THE TACOS |
| 23:34.05 | DWSR_ | Kraps: I shouldn't have results. |
| 23:34.14 | DWSR_ | I should have the page for the fucking thing I asked for. |
| 23:34.26 | DWSR_ | "Glyph of Unholy Blight (Item)" should return EXACTLY 1 fucking result. |
| 23:34.28 | Kraps | T-A-C-O-S |
| 23:34.42 | DWSR_ | And the implementation should take me DIRECTLY to the result, as opposed to a results page. |
| 23:34.57 | DWSR_ | Kraps: Do it for any enchant or glyph. |
| 23:35.12 | Kraps | APRIL FOOLS MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU KNOW IT |
| 23:35.16 | DWSR_ | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=Enchant+Boots+-+Tuskarr's+Vitality+(Spell) |
| 23:35.32 | DWSR_ | Kraps: Yes, the first result is a joke. |
| 23:35.47 | DWSR_ | What I'm saying is a proper complaint that persists through the joke. |
| 23:35.57 | DWSR_ | Search tomorrow or yesterday and you'll get the same thing. |
| 23:36.42 | Kraps | FEEDBACK MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU POST IT http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&board=1 |
| 23:37.00 | DWSR_ | Kraps: Register for yet another account? Fuck that. |
| 23:37.13 | DWSR_ | Besides, WoWI's linked to ZAM, so's WoWH. |
| 23:37.27 | Kraps | so? |
| 23:37.52 | DWSR_ | If I bitch here, it should get passed on. |
| 23:37.53 | DWSR_ | :P |
| 23:38.33 | Kraps | why do you need another account? |
| 23:38.55 | DWSR_ | Kraps: Don't have a WoWH account. |
| 23:42.57 | Gnarfoz | it's Wowh btw |
| 23:43.02 | DWSR_ | http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=150938 <--- OK? |
| 23:43.03 | Gnarfoz | if you seriously need to abbreviate it |
| 23:43.11 | DWSR_ | Gnarfoz: : Why not WoWH? |
| 23:43.15 | Gnarfoz | also, <DWSR_> also, report spam could be linked in to do an auto-shun after a certain amount of reports from players. <-- that is already the case. |
| 23:43.36 | Gnarfoz | because their name doesn't include uppercase H or W (the second one, that is) |
| 23:43.50 | DWSR_ | Gnarfoz: Does the report spam tell the player that they're reported for spam? |
| 23:43.58 | Gnarfoz | obviously not |
| 23:44.05 | DWSR_ | Gnarfoz: Then how do they know? |
| 23:44.08 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 23:44.12 | Gnarfoz | they know as soon as they are shunned |
| 23:44.18 | Gnarfoz | not as soon as they start getting reported |
| 23:44.28 | DWSR_ | The whole point of a shun is that the client isn't supposed to know. |
| 23:44.43 | DWSR_ | So, fail implementation |
| 23:44.47 | Gnarfoz | I'd call *that* an ignore |
| 23:44.50 | DWSR_ | ^ |
| 23:44.52 | DWSR_ | No. |
| 23:44.56 | Gnarfoz | yes, I would |
| 23:44.56 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 23:44.58 | DWSR_ | Ignore = "Hi, I'm ignoring you" |
| 23:45.02 | DWSR_ | Shun = ...... |
| 23:45.16 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 23:45.20 | Gnarfoz | they should be the same, actually. |
| 23:45.36 | DWSR_ | No. |
| 23:45.43 | Gnarfoz | blizzard's stupid implementation of letting ignored players know they're being ignored is the wrong way around |
| 23:45.48 | Gnarfoz | nobody else does that ;p |
| 23:45.54 | DWSR_ | It makes sense. |
| 23:45.55 | DWSR_ | But yes, I agree. |
| 23:45.57 | DWSR_ | However. |
| 23:45.58 | Kraps | "You have been shunned. Start your exile ----->" |
| 23:45.59 | DWSR_ | http://www.technerd.net/irc-commands.html <-- SHUN. |
| 23:46.11 | Gnarfoz | dude, ease up on the caffeine or something |
| 23:46.20 | Gnarfoz | IRC supports more than 50 characters per message |
| 23:46.32 | DWSR_ | Gnarfoz: Yeah. |
| 23:46.36 | DWSR_ | So? |
| 23:46.49 | DWSR_ | Everyone else uses the enter key as punctuation, why can't I? |
| 23:47.02 | DWSR_ | Besides, I'm trying to get used to Twitter's 144. |
| 23:47.05 | Gnarfoz | because you're doing it excessively, and it's fucking annoying |
| 23:47.05 | DWSR_ | or, 140. |
| 23:47.10 | Trela | All of you just- http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5173D81288L._SL500_AA280_.jpg |
| 23:47.21 | DWSR_ | hehe |
| 23:47.52 | Gnarfoz | also, you add on top of your "enter punctuation" regular punctuation, but only in cases where you feel it necessary to play more important than you actually are |
| 23:48.14 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. trying to be authorative when punctuating a single "no" :P) |
| 23:49.49 | Gnarfoz | btw, your fabulous unrealircd link doesn't imply that unrealircd's "shun" functionality silently ignores the client, vs. its "ignore" functionality |
| 23:50.03 | DWSR_ | Gnarfoz: Set up an unreal and test it out. |
| 23:50.25 | Gnarfoz | why would I bother |
| 23:50.44 | Gnarfoz | I'm just pointing out that it's a matter of implementation |
| 23:50.57 | Gnarfoz | and that you're citing docs that don't even support your point |
| 23:51.18 | Gnarfoz | (at least not explicitly, for that matter) |
| 23:51.27 | DWSR_ | Gnarfoz: Regardless, that is the way that it works. |
| 23:51.49 | DWSR_ | And that's the way the Report Spam feature *should* work, if it doesn't already. |
| 23:52.02 | Gnarfoz | Report Spam reports spam |
| 23:52.25 | DWSR_ | <Gnarfoz> also, <DWSR_> also, report spam could be linked in to do an auto-shun after a certain amount of reports from players. <-- that is already the case. |
| 23:52.38 | DWSR_ | It apparently does more, or doesn't it? |
| 23:52.39 | Gnarfoz | and additionally, after enough reports, makes the reportee unable to chat until he has spoken to a GM |
| 23:52.58 | DWSR_ | It should just disconnect them. |
| 23:53.08 | DWSR_ | But a shun is probably the more appropriate approach. |
| 23:53.13 | Gnarfoz | no, it should not, for reasons already posted above |
| 23:53.45 | cbreak | I use it for all kinds of spammers |
| 23:53.49 | cbreak | not only gold seller spammers |
| 23:53.56 | Gnarfoz | which Blizzard explicitly states you should not |
| 23:53.58 | cbreak | so disconnecting would not be appropriate |
| 23:54.05 | DWSR_ | cbreak: You're misusing the feature. |
| 23:54.08 | cbreak | it's report spam, not report gold-seller spamm :) |
| 23:54.19 | Gnarfoz | but you prove that anything that silently breaks your game client is probably not a good course of action |
| 23:54.26 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: it's report gold seller spam, actually |
| 23:54.29 | DWSR_ | ^^ |
| 23:54.39 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: if you cared to read the description, or the patch notes that introduced it |
| 23:54.54 | Gnarfoz | but alas, nobody does that |
| 23:55.01 | cbreak | I only read the mage parts |
| 23:55.05 | DWSR_ | lol |
| 23:55.06 | cbreak | the rest is uninteresting |
| 23:55.39 | DWSR_ | Regardless, if you're getting a few hundred or more people reporting your sorry ass for spam, you probably deserve to get disconnected and tempbanned. |
| 23:55.40 | Gnarfoz | regardless, unless 0% false positives can be guaranteed, it would be unwise of Blizzard to break their customer's game |
| 23:55.51 | Gnarfoz | a few hundred, yes |
| 23:56.01 | Gnarfoz | but there's not that many people in a chat channel at most times :P |
| 23:56.10 | DWSR_ | Gnarfoz: Err..you seen trade on a busy server? |
| 23:56.12 | cbreak | oh, I bet there are a few thousand in trade |
| 23:56.20 | Gnarfoz | have you *checked* the user count? |
| 23:56.22 | DWSR_ | There's a few hundred that post in a 4 hour window. |
| 23:56.33 | cbreak | and they all spam stupid "Join my ICC run, but if you have less than 6k GS you suck!" |
| 23:56.35 | DWSR_ | Gnarfoz: Sorry, /who is limited to 50 at a time. |
| 23:56.35 | Gnarfoz | why would a 4 hour window be relevant for anything |
| 23:56.54 | Gnarfoz | DWSR_: I didn't say you should /who to do it |
| 23:57.02 | Gnarfoz | the UI can show you on its own |
| 23:57.08 | DWSR_ | Gnarfoz: Because not everyone posts all the time? |
| 23:57.12 | cbreak | I don't think /chatlist works for those |
| 23:57.14 | DWSR_ | ^ |
| 23:57.17 | DWSR_ | It doesn't. |
| 23:57.23 | Gnarfoz | it's in the GUI, you smarties ;) |
| 23:57.24 | cbreak | besides, the number of posters doesn't matter |
| 23:57.31 | Gnarfoz | it shows in parentheses after the channel name |
| 23:57.33 | cbreak | the number of readers matters for the potential number of reports |
| 23:57.51 | DWSR_ | We can assume that readers > posters. |
| 23:57.56 | DWSR_ | Always. |
| 23:57.59 | cbreak | yes... |
| 23:58.07 | cbreak | unless someone has a write-only bot |
| 23:58.08 | Gnarfoz | we can assume it's at least >= :p |
| 23:58.12 | DWSR_ | ^ |
| 23:58.13 | Gnarfoz | exactly ^^ |
| 23:58.17 | cbreak | then he deserves to be banned anyway. |
| 23:58.21 | DWSR_ | ^^ |
| 23:58.22 | Gnarfoz | hey, spammers are write-only bots! |
| 23:58.36 | DWSR_ | Gnarfoz: Practically yes, technically no. |
| 23:58.44 | Gnarfoz | as if you knew |
| 23:58.50 | cbreak | depends on where you measure the "reading" |
| 23:58.55 | DWSR_ | TCP makes it so. :P |
| 23:58.58 | DWSR_ | This isn't UDP. |
| 23:59.07 | cbreak | you sure wow uses TCP? |
| 23:59.07 | Gnarfoz | it's a bot, it doesn't read or write *anything*, it just spams :P |
| 23:59.10 | Gnarfoz | it does |
| 23:59.13 | cbreak | well, for chat it should |
| 23:59.19 | Gnarfoz | it only uses one connection |
| 23:59.26 | DWSR_ | ^ |
| 23:59.33 | Gnarfoz | well, inaccurate |
| 23:59.42 | cbreak | the faq had many ports listed to open on the NAT |
| 23:59.42 | Gnarfoz | it uses only one as soon as it's connected to your realm |
| 23:59.50 | Gnarfoz | wow doesn't need any ports in NAT open |
| 23:59.54 | DWSR_ | ^ |
