| 00:13.22 | ScytheBlade1 | This has got to be one of the worst phishing attempts I've ever seen |
| 00:13.24 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/134594 |
| 00:13.50 | *** join/#wowuidev kapowaz (~kapowaz@sequoia.wyredforest.net) |
| 00:14.08 | kapowaz | Greetings. Can anybody recommend a nameplate addon? Something that has similar configuration options to Pitbull? |
| 00:15.19 | Thunder_Child | i think you mean Unit frames, namplates are what pop up over peoples heads |
| 00:15.40 | Adys | i think if he meant unit frames he'd already have his answer, pitbull |
| 00:15.51 | kapowaz | no, I definitely meant nameplates. |
| 00:15.56 | Thunder_Child | and with the exception of discontined addons like DUF i dont think there are any that are as complex as pitbull |
| 00:16.00 | Thunder_Child | then aloft |
| 00:16.23 | Lunessa | http://www.vranx.com/nameplates.htm - but Aloft is the 800# gorilla of them all. |
| 00:16.33 | Thunder_Child | is the most complex one i know of |
| 00:16.42 | kapowaz | thanks, that looks like it's worth a look |
| 00:16.51 | cbreak | £? |
| 00:16.54 | kapowaz | I was looking at that list but uncertain which to go for |
| 00:17.06 | kapowaz | # is not an abbreviation for pounds, weight ;) |
| 00:17.09 | kapowaz | that'd be lb |
| 00:17.23 | cbreak | # is sharp I think, in music |
| 00:17.29 | kapowaz | but thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out |
| 00:17.37 | kapowaz | cbreak: in the US I understand they also call it the pound symbol |
| 00:17.39 | Adys | # is irrelevant since it's a comment |
| 00:17.40 | Thunder_Child | it is sharp |
| 00:17.55 | cbreak | you must mean // |
| 00:18.00 | Dagmar | It's called pound, and it's called octothorpe by some unseflcouncious librarian-types |
| 00:18.10 | kapowaz | you must mean ' OH YES I WENT THERE, VBSCRIPT ALL THE WAY. |
| 00:18.23 | cbreak | --[[ No way ]] |
| 00:18.26 | kapowaz | gets his coat |
| 00:18.47 | Adys | to answer your question |
| 00:18.48 | Adys | aloft |
| 00:19.30 | kapowaz | yes. |
| 00:19.33 | kapowaz | I'll give it a go |
| 00:20.00 | Thunder_Child | way to be 3 min late Adys |
| 00:20.19 | Adys | way to vbe 1min14sec late with your OLD comment |
| 00:20.23 | Adys | -v |
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| 00:26.59 | DWSR | ~fail Adys |
| 00:27.00 | purl | Adys: FAIL! |
| 00:30.57 | Cide | ~faildys |
| 00:30.58 | purl | FAIL, Adys, FAIL |
| 00:31.10 | DWSR | We have one of those? |
| 00:31.12 | Cide | ^ Shirik, you are no longer alone |
| 00:31.15 | Adys | sure |
| 00:31.19 | Adys | we have one for everyone |
| 00:31.25 | DWSR | ~failwsr |
| 00:31.29 | DWSR | lies. |
| 00:31.35 | Cide | adys is so much fail |
| 00:31.38 | Cide | <Adys> failcide is FAIL, Cide, FAIL |
| 00:31.46 | DWSR | failcide. |
| 00:31.46 | Cide | to me in pm |
| 00:31.47 | DWSR | I like it. |
| 00:31.54 | DWSR | Sounds like suicide. |
| 00:31.55 | DWSR | Only fail. |
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| 00:32.17 | DWSR | Kind of like the rope breaking when you're trying to hang yourself. |
| 00:32.18 | Adys | what the fuck was that |
| 00:32.33 | DWSR | <+Cide><Adys> failcide is FAIL, Cide, FAIL |
| 00:32.40 | cbreak | member:Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) left the chat room. (Quit: I ⥠Unicode) |
| 00:32.48 | Cide | you fail so hard Adys |
| 00:33.01 | Adys | eh? |
| 00:33.15 | DWSR | rofl |
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| 00:34.22 | Adys | Cide: why? |
| 00:34.31 | Cide | <Adys> failcide is FAIL, Cide, FAIL |
| 00:34.33 | Cide | to me in pm |
| 00:34.44 | Adys | what tells you that wasn't my intention all along? |
| 00:35.06 | Adys | also my bot is crashing :( |
| 00:35.12 | Adys | well its making xchat hang |
| 00:35.13 | Cide | ~faildys |
| 00:35.14 | purl | FAIL, Adys, FAIL |
| 00:35.20 | Cide | grr |
| 00:35.30 | Cide | why does eclipse paste one of my files with syntax coloring into word |
| 00:35.43 | Cide | but the other 2 just get regular black coloring |
| 00:36.13 | Adys | because |
| 00:36.15 | DWSR | Cide: File extensions. |
| 00:36.16 | Adys | ~failclipse |
| 00:36.17 | purl | hmm... failclipse is FAIL, Eclipse, FAIL |
| 00:36.27 | Cide | rofl |
| 00:36.31 | Cide | ~faildys |
| 00:36.31 | purl | FAIL, Adys, FAIL |
| 00:36.36 | Cide | they're all .java, DWSR |
| 00:36.38 | Adys | what did i do wrong now :( |
| 00:37.17 | Lunessa | Just to correct those who were correcting me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign "In most regions of the United States, the symbol is traditionally called the pound sign, but in others, the number sign. This derives from a series of abbreviations for pound, the unit of weight. " So THpppppppth |
| 00:41.07 | kapowaz | I think most people who see â800#â would assume it meant something other than 800 imperial pounds |
| 00:41.22 | kapowaz | but wevs. bedtime. |
| 00:41.25 | Lunessa | I don't concur. |
| 00:44.06 | Kraps | naw i thought that was clever |
| 00:44.29 | Dagmar | kapowaz: We'd know it wasn't $ |
| 00:53.34 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5501599/kotaku-census-2010-the-results |
| 00:54.45 | Fisker | Kraps Dagmar Lunessa |
| 00:55.36 | Lunessa | fisker fisker fisker |
| 00:55.39 | Fisker | no |
| 00:57.59 | Dagmar | kotaku should have turned off the comments for that post |
| 00:58.47 | Dagmar | I suspect that none of those people could even do long division, let alone comprehend statistics--yet there they all are, just jibbering away about this that and the other that the statistics have little to do with. |
| 01:00.18 | Lunessa | Math is hard, m'kay? Statistics and probability would crush their little minds. |
| 01:02.12 | Fisker | i was killed Lunessa |
| 01:02.14 | Fisker | blargh |
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| 01:03.23 | Lunessa | Fisker: I'm not going to give a speech to the Senate of Rome about your death, so you're out of luck. |
| 01:04.03 | Fisker | you should :( |
| 01:10.06 | Fisker | rargh |
| 01:10.07 | Fisker | it's 2am |
| 01:10.10 | Fisker | what now? |
| 01:10.24 | Fisker | do i blow up Kraps ? |
| 01:10.38 | Kraps | you cant |
| 01:11.07 | Fisker | why not? |
| 01:11.16 | Fisker | are you stopping me? |
| 01:11.40 | Kraps | IM UNEXPLODABLE |
| 01:12.10 | Kraps | love having icehud back :D |
| 01:12.19 | Fisker | i love you |
| 01:13.05 | Kraps | eh |
| 01:13.28 | Lunessa | Fisker: Did you just come out of the closet? |
| 01:13.59 | Fisker | who says i'm a guy? |
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| 01:14.32 | Gintaro | bah, silly registration restriction |
| 01:14.38 | Gintaro | Now I have to use a diff nick |
| 01:14.54 | Fisker | oh sweet |
| 01:15.03 | Fisker | Blizzcon 2010 dates announced |
| 01:15.11 | Fisker | new mmo announcement then |
| 01:15.36 | Kraps | how does FS fit into a DKs rotation? |
| 01:16.39 | Fisker | http://anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i=3780 <-ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuu- |
| 01:16.53 | Dagmar | Kraps: Opening shot? |
| 01:17.08 | Kraps | if you have RP |
| 01:17.47 | Dagmar | If you started a fight without RP you are f**ked already |
| 01:17.58 | Dagmar | s/RP/runes/ |
| 01:30.46 | Kraps | k so what happens in the LK fight that finally gets him killed? |
| 01:32.22 | Kraps | He killed Uther, the uber-paladin, yet 10 or 25 random heroes can kill him |
| 01:34.05 | Jerub | Kraps: apparently saronite bombs are the key. |
| 01:34.18 | Kraps | dur |
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| 01:46.28 | ScytheBlade1 | so I was trying to copy some music to my droid's SD card |
| 01:46.38 | ScytheBlade1 | and it bombed out over and over on one specific file |
| 01:46.52 | cog|away | i haven't been able to get my droid's sd card to show up on win7 |
| 01:46.52 | ScytheBlade1 | why does fat32 have to suck so hard and not allow : as a valid character for a file name :/ |
| 01:47.03 | ScytheBlade1 | it shows up fine for me |
| 01:47.30 | cogwheel | because : is part of block device names |
| 01:47.40 | cogwheel | c:, for instance |
| 01:47.53 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, doesn't mean I care for that 'feature' at all -.- |
| 01:47.59 | ScytheBlade1 | LET ME USE A COLON IN MY FILE NAMES, JERKS |
| 01:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | time to try ext3 and hope it won't break |
| 01:51.45 | ScytheBlade1 | "Blank or unsupported filesystem." |
| 01:51.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, okay then. |
| 01:52.32 | ZorbaTHut | even ext3 has some reserved characters that you can't use |
| 01:52.43 | kdtresh | why do you need colons in your filenames? |
| 01:53.09 | ScytheBlade1 | The Resistance - 11 - Exogenesis: Symphony, Pt. 3: Redemption.flac |
| 01:53.12 | ZorbaTHut | kdtresh, same reason you need more than 8.3 filenames with alphanumerics |
| 01:53.23 | ZorbaTHut | namely, "sometimes it's handy for readability" |
| 01:54.57 | kdtresh | i use folders and id3 tags for that |
| 01:55.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I use a decent filesystem |
| 01:55.24 | ScytheBlade1 | shrugs |
| 01:55.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I can make a file named /, :, or . if I really wanted |
| 01:59.01 | Kraps | should i get heirlooms for my dk? |
| 02:01.34 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Except you |
| 02:01.40 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Except you know better. |
| 02:02.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: I've made a file named / before |
| 02:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It was fun removing that in a safe manner |
| 02:02.26 | ScytheBlade1 | (I believe I resorted to a small C program) |
| 02:03.07 | Dagmar | Be glad no automated backup software saw it |
| 02:03.11 | ScytheBlade1 | It was in response to a windows user who was whining about the character restrictions on NTFS |
| 02:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | When he learned I could make such a file, he didn't believe me |
| 02:03.28 | ScytheBlade1 | So I did it, and he wtf'd for several minutes |
| 02:04.13 | Dagmar | Windows is especially pissy about that, since you can get some filenames past the NTFS filter and some past the _POSIX_ filter, but it's very easy to create a file that you can't delete without violence |
| 02:04.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 02:05.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Although, the one restriction I wish that they would lift on filenames in windows |
| 02:05.05 | Dagmar | I don't even think I want to know what tar would do when told to backup something with / in the name |
| 02:05.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Would be names that start with a . |
| 02:05.20 | Dagmar | they're hung up on 8.3 |
| 02:05.26 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to hack around it, and explorer refuses to operate on them in some situations |
| 02:05.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Once you have one, you can generally work with it |
| 02:05.35 | ScytheBlade1 | But it is still messy |
| 02:05.56 | Dagmar | Yeah more than once I've had to move hte affected file into a directory and then prune hte whole thing |
| 02:10.21 | Adys | Shadowed: question for you |
| 02:10.25 | Shadowed | no |
| 02:10.26 | Shadowed | go away |
| 02:10.47 | Shadowed | it worked! |
| 02:10.55 | Adys | When your hearing diminishes because of masturbation, can you categorize that as "deaf by snoo-snoo"? |
| 02:11.23 | Shadowed | hmm cairenn isn't here... |
| 02:11.29 | Shadowed | wait a second |
| 02:11.31 | Cairenn | according to whom? |
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| 02:11.37 | Shadowed | stupid channel bugout |
| 02:11.40 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:11.47 | Adys | to be fair I don't see Cairenn in the userlist either |
| 02:11.57 | Shadowed | Yea it's a bugout issue, rejoining fixes it |
| 02:11.58 | Cairenn | been here all day guys |
| 02:12.07 | Adys | I'm not rejoining |
| 02:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | liar! |
| 02:12.09 | Shadowed | I wasn't going to do anything, honest |
| 02:12.11 | Adys | I like not seeing her in the channel |
| 02:12.12 | Shadowed | innocent |
| 02:12.32 | Adys | Shadowed |
| 02:12.38 | Shadowed | Adys |
| 02:12.38 | Adys | LAUGH AT MY EARLIER JOKE ALREADY DAMMIT |
| 02:12.38 | Cairenn | love you too, Adys |
| 02:12.42 | Shadowed | never |
| 02:12.44 | Shadowed | NEVER |
| 02:12.46 | Adys | Cairenn: aww |
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| 02:12.51 | Adys | for you! |
| 02:13.08 | Adys | not that it worked |
| 02:13.16 | Cairenn | too late |
| 02:15.41 | Shirik | so badass: http://blip.tv/file/3396283 |
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| 02:16.10 | Adys | no shirik |
| 02:16.13 | Adys | my joke was badass |
| 02:16.16 | Adys | python is badass |
| 02:18.36 | Adys | that video was shit |
| 02:18.43 | Shirik | fu |
| 02:18.46 | DWSR | anyone know if you can turn on your faction ICC buff once you |
| 02:18.47 | Adys | i had to reload 3 times to let it play at a decent speed, and didnt make it to the end |
| 02:18.49 | DWSR | turn it off* |
| 02:18.53 | Adys | and every fucking time |
| 02:18.55 | Adys | the ad played |
| 02:19.02 | kd3 | dw; yes. talk to your faction leader at the entrance |
| 02:21.06 | Dagmar | You want _less_ DPS? |
| 02:22.10 | DWSR | Dagmar: Just curious/ |
| 02:22.10 | Dagmar | DWSR: You confuse me endlessly |
| 02:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't music until you can feel the bass. |
| 02:42.33 | Shirik | ~rave |
| 02:42.51 | ScytheBlade1 | With headphones. |
| 02:42.54 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 02:43.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I can feel earwax coming loose, lol |
| 02:43.05 | kd3 | oof. they're going to have to wait til next maintenance to fix the pre-wrath gems bug |
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| 02:45.04 | Lunessa | what bug is this? |
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| 02:45.35 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23766996360&sid=1 |
| 02:48.57 | Kraps | kd3: oof |
| 02:53.17 | Taroven | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/134603 - Anyone able to tell me why it's not loading the includes? |
| 02:55.44 | Lunessa | kd3: Oy. That.. painful. |
| 02:55.50 | MentalPower | other than the fact that those should be in the .toc not really. |
| 02:56.12 | Taroven | Hm. |
| 02:56.20 | Taroven | I'll try just doing that then |
| 03:00.58 | Taroven | Yeah, tocfile works fine. Really wondering why that works fine for oUF_HealComm4 but not anything else I try. -.- |
| 03:06.01 | Iriel | Did you check your FrameXML.log? |
| 03:13.44 | Iriel | Anyone done "Get Kraken!" - if so, where on earth do you throw the spears from? |
| 03:14.36 | cogwheel | you have to ride the gryphon outside the argent tent |
| 03:15.08 | Iriel | Oh, I read that too |
| 03:15.09 | Iriel | Totally slipped my mind |
| 03:15.10 | Iriel | thanks |
| 03:15.21 | cogwheel | i did the same thing :P |
| 03:16.32 | Iriel | "Crusader Iriel" finally |
| 03:17.11 | cogwheel | woot |
| 03:17.26 | Iriel | You gnomes were the holdout |
| 03:17.39 | cogwheel | i know right? -_- |
| 03:18.28 | Iriel | I even re-ran gnomeregan in case i'd missed something years ago when I first did it |
| 03:18.51 | Iriel | In the end it was cloth'n'writs |
| 03:19.28 | kdtresh | ugh, gnomer |
| 03:19.36 | cogwheel | <3 gnomer |
| 03:19.47 | kd3 | <3 gnomer |
| 03:19.52 | kd3 | really looking forward to "3.9" |
| 03:20.08 | Iriel | I dont know why people hate it so much |
| 03:20.09 | Iriel | I love it |
| 03:20.18 | cogwheel | 4gnmrgn imo |
| 03:20.27 | Iriel | Poorly paced, perhaps |
| 03:20.35 | kdtresh | it's not nearly so bad when you can walk through it naked with no problem |
| 03:20.47 | kdtresh | but normally-leveled, it's way too long for what it is |
| 03:21.43 | cogwheel | that's why there's a back door imo |
| 03:22.13 | cogwheel | doesn't one of the quest lines send you there twice? |
| 03:22.30 | kdtresh | yes, the gnogaine one |
| 03:22.42 | kdtresh | and it was originally before you got a mount at level 1 |
| 03:23.03 | kdtresh | that's a long run |
| 03:23.16 | kdtresh | only to realize that now you have to go all the way back and run halfway through it again |
| 03:23.46 | Trela | >:O RAWR! |
| 03:23.58 | Trela | I got a NSF for having money in my bank account. >.>; |
| 03:24.35 | Trela | As a programming I could see how the math might get fucked up some where. However, as a customer not I want BLOOOOOOD. |
| 03:26.16 | Trela | *now |
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| 03:34.12 | Lunessa | Night all time to go home. |
| 03:37.45 | WobWork | gnomeregan was terrible, because it was really the first instance where you learned about aggro radius |
| 03:43.04 | Jerub | i thought it was the first instance you learned about stupid debuffs and not standing in the fire |
| 03:43.08 | Jerub | :P |
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| 03:54.52 | Dagmar | I don't think they do that there |
| 03:55.13 | Dagmar | ...but there's several object lessons about mobs that can see you but can't _quite_ reach you leading to MASSIVE TRAINS |
| 03:55.50 | Dagmar | I set a few off while I was getting those two pet recipes. Just picked two guys in the middle thta I knew would run in different directions and threw a hand-grenade at them... then waited. |
| 03:56.09 | Dagmar | ...Hellfire! *FWOOSH!* *FWOOSH!* |
| 04:00.32 | Dagmar | TL;DR for Gnomeregan: "You pull it, everyone dies" |
| 04:02.29 | WobWork | Dagmar: I used to fearfarm in DM for wool |
| 04:02.34 | WobWork | or at least in the area before deadmines |
| 04:02.51 | WobWork | psychic scream, then holynovaspam |
| 04:03.40 | WobWork | although I recall discovering cat fishing while farming for the water breathing staff |
| 04:04.18 | WobWork | I'd zone in, Eyes of the beast, send cat down to bottom to aggro the boss, dismiss, then wait patiently for boss to walk all the way back up. Kill, step out, reset, hit it again =P |
| 04:04.29 | WobWork | back in the days before dungeon menu resets =\ |
| 04:04.40 | cogwheel | "Warnings are issued to members in the form of a warning of imminent suspension if the member continues their behaviour. An example might be, "Please stop doing that or you will be suspended for 24 hours". Board warnings (using the forum software) are never used as part of our reminder > warning > suspension policy. They are only ever issued in jest... mostly for bad puns or other fucking about. " |
| 04:08.42 | Kraps | is the The Heart of Arthas quest chain voiced? |
| 04:08.55 | kd3 | only the last quest iirc |
| 04:11.31 | Jerub | WobWork: 5 an hour max these days |
| 04:11.38 | Jerub | WobWork: i discovered that limit when farming norm to |
| 04:11.40 | Jerub | er toc |
| 04:20.18 | Kraps | how do you pull aggro from a dk tank? |
| 04:20.28 | Kraps | HE DOESNT USE ICY TOUCH |
| 04:21.28 | WobWork | I still haven't figured out if it's worth including in my rotation =\ since I have the HB glyph, it'll only be for aggro |
| 04:21.39 | WobWork | I guess I'd use it like FFF |
| 04:21.57 | cogwheel | "only"... kinda the tank's whole point, isn't it? |
| 04:22.22 | WobWork | well, it's also for disease propogation |
| 04:22.29 | WobWork | if you don't have the glyph |
| 04:22.45 | Jerub | elitist group was saying that a dk tank was in a dps spec. |
| 04:22.53 | Jerub | it was most frost/unholy, and he had corpse explosion. |
| 04:23.02 | WobWork | CE is pretty dpsy |
| 04:23.06 | Jerub | is that a fail dps spec? |
| 04:23.22 | WobWork | most tanks go frost with certain blood and a couple of unholy |
| 04:23.41 | WobWork | (well, most frost tanks) |
| 04:26.16 | DWSR | I met a lock with 535 hit rating who thinks that stacking haste gives her the most DPS increase. |
| 04:26.25 | DWSR | Are all people this stupid? |
| 04:29.17 | DWSR | WobWork: IT is worth it on an ST fight. |
| 04:29.26 | DWSR | But if it's an AoE fight, save it for tab-spam Ob or HBs. |
| 04:30.00 | DWSR | WobWork: All tanks take at least 10 points in Blood, 8 points in Frost, and 5 points in Unholy. |
| 04:30.46 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0EZhxZ0x |
| 04:30.52 | DWSR | That's the "required" points for tanking. |
| 04:31.00 | DWSR | If you don't at least take those, you're fucking stupid. |
| 04:31.46 | DWSR | Meh, the 3/3 Imp. Icy Touch might be optional. |
| 04:31.53 | DWSR | Haven't seen a tank spec that doesn't take it, though |
| 04:31.54 | DWSR | anyway, nn. |
| 04:37.02 | Kraps | so whats with the insanity of skipping the hill mobs in PoS? groups i've been in are 0 for 3 |
| 04:41.27 | Kraps | and never wiped doing it the normal way, hmm |
| 04:41.48 | WobWork | DWSR: oh I know that |
| 04:42.23 | WobWork | Kraps: those mobs are terrible if you have 1) bad tank. 2) bad dps or 3) bad healer |
| 04:42.34 | WobWork | since chances are usually high of one of the three |
| 04:42.39 | WobWork | it's normally painfu |
| 04:42.40 | WobWork | l |
| 04:43.31 | Kraps | so you're saying that my groups are good just because of me? |
| 04:43.34 | Jerub | Kraps: it's the hardest pull in pos |
| 04:44.05 | WobWork | Kraps: are you a good healer, tank and dps? |
| 04:44.15 | WobWork | at the same time? |
| 04:44.19 | Kraps | lol |
| 04:45.34 | WobWork | in any case, on those pulls, -someone- inevitably takes more damage than necessary |
| 04:45.58 | WobWork | so people try to avoid them if possible =P |
| 04:46.17 | Kraps | if you're the tank, mark the 2 fire guys, pound them, interrupt hellfire, profit |
| 04:46.29 | Kraps | if you're dps, mark the 2 fire guys, pound them, interrupt hellfire, profit |
| 04:46.33 | WobWork | what is this... interrupt? =P |
| 04:46.39 | Jerub | if you have a tank who can silence effectively, or deathgrip, plus awesome AOE damage, plus interrupts for the hellfires, it's okay |
| 04:46.46 | WobWork | if you're a bear |
| 04:46.49 | WobWork | you're shit out of luck =P |
| 04:46.53 | Kraps | if you're the healer, pray |
| 04:46.54 | Jerub | it's the worst pull ever for a bear |
| 04:47.21 | WobWork | I spend my entire time to one side, swiping my heart out and remotegrowling at the other caster |
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| 04:47.32 | WobWork | and hope I don't get hellfired |
| 04:47.41 | Kraps | bash? |
| 04:47.46 | WobWork | 3min cooldown? |
| 04:47.50 | Jerub | the only reason it's not terrible for me is because I pull over 3k dps on those. |
| 04:48.06 | router54 | Would anyone mind posting something on the official UI forums for me? |
| 04:48.18 | Jerub | that, plus at least one dps who can hold their own, means we can power through it before the healer dies. |
| 04:48.20 | router54 | There's a bug in something introduced in 3.3 and I can't post it |
| 04:49.01 | Kraps | WobWork: 1 minute |
| 04:49.51 | Jerub | router54: why can't you post it? |
| 04:50.01 | router54 | Banned on the forums |
| 04:50.02 | WobWork | Kraps: if that fight lasts longer than one minute... you're dead =P |
| 04:50.25 | WobWork | cause the healer is oom around then =P |
| 04:50.39 | WobWork | Kraps: in any case. Roll a bear, do those pulls |
| 04:50.47 | router54 | Anyway if anyone wants to post it, it's that the new addon table that's passed as a vararg to the main chunk of all files is having its contents dumped into the chat frame on login for some reason. |
| 04:50.48 | WobWork | then come back and tell us how easy it is for BARRESZ |
| 04:50.51 | router54 | It happens with all addon tables |
| 04:51.07 | router54 | I'm assuming they left some debug lines in |
| 04:52.41 | Torhal | I'm not seeing that |
| 04:53.15 | router54 | Maybe it's something to do with my settings, but I know it's not an addon causing it. The tables are private, and I know I'm not dumping it. |
| 04:53.21 | router54 | So another addon can't be doing it |
| 04:53.33 | router54 | Either way, it's an issue C-side |
| 04:55.10 | router54 | http://i42.tinypic.com/iejgn6.jpg |
| 04:55.47 | router54 | It's been happening since 3.3 hit for me. I didn't notice it was happening until I started using the table, but it was happening with other addons too. |
| 04:58.07 | router54 | If anyone wants to post it, I'll give you a pastebin of my settings files for the benefit of the blues |
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| 05:07.02 | Kraps | my hearthstone cast time is only 8.05 sec |
| 05:10.03 | WobWork | yay haste? |
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| 05:11.37 | Kraps | yay haste! |
| 05:19.21 | Kraps | i really wish this updated more often http://www.wncomic.com/archive_comments.php?strip_id=191 |
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| 06:03.27 | Shirik | All the crazy shit I did tonight, those'll be the best memories |
| 06:16.52 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/win243.jpg |
| 06:18.48 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/life.jpg |
| 06:19.39 | cogwheel | gogo california... |
| 06:19.44 | cogwheel | "We have to recognize that if we have something that is this big a piece of our economy that is subsidized by being illegal, that this is an unsustainable situation, Humboldt County Supervisor Mark Lovelace said." |
| 06:20.00 | cogwheel | Re: marijuana legalization |
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| 06:29.44 | Shirik | tackles cogwheel |
| 06:30.09 | cogwheel | is tackled |
| 06:30.18 | cogwheel | should asleep nao |
| 06:31.31 | Shirik | passes out with cogwheel |
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| 06:48.52 | Dagmar | cogwheel: Yeah I think they're actually seriously considering making a big law change there now that they've noticed it'll solve their money problems |
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| 07:06.53 | Arrowmaster | http://xkcd.com/719/ |
| 07:07.25 | Arrowmaster | strange, i cant remember ever having a dream involving driving |
| 07:08.13 | Dagmar | He's messing about |
| 07:08.34 | Arrowmaster | so those arent common dreams? |
| 07:08.42 | Dagmar | No. |
| 07:10.02 | Dagmar | Keep in mind this is the same guy who actually googlebaited his viewers with 2 ahem 1 ahemhem |
| 07:12.07 | Dagmar | Would you _really_ want to just _hand_ people a weaponized joke like that? |
| 07:12.17 | Arrowmaster | wait there were readers of xkcd that had never heard of that before his comic? |
| 07:12.57 | Dagmar | If they didn't before, they probably Googled it out of curiousity |
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| 07:13.02 | Dagmar | *BAM* |
| 07:13.47 | Dagmar | Now, if he'd made this joke about the worm causing people to be unable to read while in their dreams, then he'd be a bastard |
| 07:14.22 | Dagmar | Not to sound like a hippie, but poisoning someone's mind like that is definitely a morally bankrupt act |
| 07:14.58 | Arrowmaster | meh i never have that problem of not being able to read in my dreams |
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| 07:15.11 | Dagmar | Many people can't. Doesn't seem to mean a thing |
| 07:15.34 | Arrowmaster | my dreams are all very 'abstract' |
| 07:16.00 | Dagmar | I know on the odd occasion I've been able to figure out I was dreaming, I've tried to get to some form of printed material because it always says completely crazy stuff |
| 07:16.02 | Arrowmaster | i dont really see things but more just know them |
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| 07:22.59 | Matsy | Hah! |
| 07:23.11 | Matsy | Remembering dreams |
| 07:23.18 | Matsy | For some odd reason I thought about that as well this morning |
| 07:23.22 | Matsy | And I had the idea to make a website over it |
| 07:23.26 | Matsy | 'whatdidyoudreamtonight.com' |
| 07:24.20 | Matsy | (URLs shouldnt be that long, I know, but still :+) |
| 07:25.26 | Matsy | Should be good for Google Ads, I presume |
| 07:29.24 | Wobin | http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2010/02/magazine-get-low-down.html |
| 07:30.04 | Fisker | nononoononoono |
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| 07:49.13 | Matsy | Man |
| 07:49.19 | Matsy | Holy Paladins need new librams |
| 07:50.13 | Matsy | Or at least, useful new librams |
| 07:50.40 | krka | holy paladins batman! |
| 07:50.47 | Matsy | ..batman? ;p |
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| 08:00.37 | Wobin | don't worry krka, -I- got the reference =P |
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| 08:05.58 | krka | that's all i need |
| 08:08.33 | Matsy | :( |
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| 08:12.38 | zenzio | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/03/25/demotivational-posters-crazy-hats/ |
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| 08:15.36 | harl | wuff |
| 08:16.02 | Cairenn | purr |
| 08:16.48 | harl | :) |
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| 08:59.48 | Cairenn | thinks it's way too quiet in here, so runs around the room and steals everyone's pants while they are all sleeping |
| 09:00.04 | zenzio | is awake and feels left out |
| 09:00.18 | Matsy | has been up for a few hours now :( |
| 09:01.00 | Cairenn | steals zenzio's and Matsy's pants while they're busy crying to each other |
| 09:01.05 | zenzio | \o/ |
| 09:01.06 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn now has a wherehouse thats just for storing stolen pants |
| 09:01.13 | Cairenn | heh |
| 09:01.16 | zenzio | Cairenn: it's not crying, it's... allergies |
| 09:01.20 | Matsy | You should donate them to .. 3rd world countries |
| 09:01.21 | Cairenn | right |
| 09:01.32 | Matsy | They need pants there :+ |
| 09:01.58 | Cairenn | the "right" was to zenzio's comment :p |
| 09:02.09 | Matsy | I figured that one ;p |
| 09:03.45 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn is a 3rd world country, she has all of us bums to deal with |
| 09:03.54 | Cairenn | heh |
| 09:04.19 | Matsy | I am not that bad! :+ |
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| 09:08.50 | Thunder_Child | says you |
| 09:14.40 | Kalroth | I'm that bad! |
| 09:14.51 | zenzio | I am that bad |
| 09:14.56 | zenzio | winks suggestively at Cairenn |
| 09:15.02 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 09:15.13 | Thunder_Child | more overt than a suggestion |
| 09:16.37 | harl | i hate my allergies.. |
| 09:16.49 | zenzio | same. What are yours? |
| 09:17.03 | zenzio | I need to go get a prescription for my pollen allergy pills |
| 09:18.06 | Kalroth | I got an allergy towards not enough beer, thankfully I'm going to fix it tonight |
| 09:18.52 | zenzio | the symptoms include clear thinking, a lack of desire to write funny stuff on social media, and a failure to appreciate Brintey Spears' music? |
| 09:22.44 | harl | some pollen allergies (driving me crazy on their heydays), then raw pineapple and raw green pepper (both only weak), some enzyme-related (weak to moderate) |
| 09:24.17 | zenzio | I see |
| 09:24.53 | zenzio | I'm only allergic to birch pollen, and it hasn't yet set in - late this year... might mean it'll last longer into summer |
| 09:25.47 | zenzio | "IPHONE SDK, How to put Void function into my BOOL??? PLEASE!" - say what? |
| 09:27.04 | harl | i say pizza. |
| 09:30.59 | Fisker | slaps zenzio around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:31.03 | Fisker | zenzio my friend |
| 09:45.13 | olafski | archarodim: would you be willing to add an option to remove the on-login spam of decursive? 3 messages in the chat frame and 3 in the middle of the screen is a bit over the top imo |
| 09:48.02 | Fisker | !StopTheSpam |
| 09:48.02 | Fisker | :o |
| 09:48.20 | Fisker | someone needs to continue that project though |
| 09:49.32 | olafski | sounds like a good project |
| 09:49.35 | olafski | I'll check it out |
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| 09:54.00 | olafski | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Malreth's StopTheSpam Loaded!") |
| 09:54.01 | olafski | nice :P |
| 09:54.23 | zenzio | malreth... now there's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time |
| 09:54.55 | Fisker | that's what she said |
| 09:56.21 | olafski | looks good, I'll install it and see if it needs updating |
| 09:59.08 | olafski | quite a lot got through :P |
| 09:59.18 | Matsy | Hmm |
| 09:59.34 | Matsy | The only anti-spam addon I like is the one that bundles all the recount spam into one clickable link |
| 09:59.40 | Matsy | I forgot what it was called :+ |
| 09:59.46 | olafski | SpamageMeters |
| 09:59.53 | Matsy | Oh really? |
| 10:00.00 | Matsy | Hah, such a name |
| 10:00.12 | olafski | think I'll try to figure out how this stopthespam works and then ask if I can continue work on it |
| 10:01.07 | Fisker | lol |
| 10:01.26 | Fisker | looks like this scamsite is using someone elses site to scam people with ;o |
| 10:01.34 | Matsy | ;o |
| 10:01.36 | Matsy | link, link! |
| 10:03.09 | Fisker | http://www.worldofwarcraftaccountsecurity.com/ |
| 10:03.17 | Matsy | Aw |
| 10:03.23 | Matsy | Chrome already detected it as a phishing site |
| 10:03.26 | Fisker | http://cheetah.boxsecured.com/~anekee/images/1/ <-it's hosted there :P |
| 10:03.33 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 10:03.38 | Matsy | The website at cheetah.boxsecured.com has been reported as a phishing site. |
| 10:03.55 | Fisker | And if you go to the root :http://cheetah.boxsecured.com/~anekee/ it's some shitty portfolio or whatever |
| 10:03.56 | Matsy | Please fill in the correct phone number? ... |
| 10:04.40 | Matsy | Wow |
| 10:04.48 | Matsy | It can even detect if your username / password is incorrect. |
| 10:04.58 | Matsy | Or it just says that at any time |
| 10:05.13 | Fisker | try entering your real details! |
| 10:05.13 | Fisker | :D |
| 10:05.16 | Matsy | hm |
| 10:05.17 | Matsy | Okay |
| 10:05.28 | Matsy | I have an authenticator anyway |
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| 10:06.26 | olafski | does anyone happen to know how to contact this Malreth? =) |
| 10:06.46 | Fisker | haha |
| 10:06.49 | Wobin | Carrier Pigeon |
| 10:06.58 | Fisker | so i was checking some local retailers for the GTX480 |
| 10:06.58 | zenzio | malreth used to hang out here |
| 10:07.04 | zenzio | ~seen malreth |
| 10:07.06 | purl | malreth <n=Adium@wireless-128-62-175-70.public.utexas.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 206d 16h 30m 13s ago, saying: 'Lunessa: inorite!'. |
| 10:07.15 | Fisker | And when i searched for it this huge clunk of watercooling radiator popped up |
| 10:07.17 | Cairenn | he responds to PMs on WoWI |
| 10:07.19 | Fisker | excellent trolled ;3 |
| 10:07.20 | Wobin | 2/3 of a year ago |
| 10:07.23 | olafski | ok cairenn :) thanks |
| 10:07.28 | Fisker | http://xpriserpic.edbindex.dk/ProductPictures/312524.jpg <- |
| 10:09.45 | Matsy | Naw, Fisker |
| 10:09.49 | Matsy | Real information didnt work either |
| 10:09.56 | Matsy | fail |
| 10:12.31 | Fisker | lulz |
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| 10:13.10 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH0aEp1oDOI |
| 10:13.17 | Wobin | craaaazy photoshop plugin |
| 10:13.37 | Fisker | craaaaaaaazy old |
| 10:13.51 | Wobin | like your mother |
| 10:13.54 | Wobin | she's totally shopped |
| 10:14.10 | Fisker | i wish |
| 10:14.13 | mitch0 | or gimped |
| 10:14.20 | Fisker | but she does have content-aware fill lol! |
| 10:14.37 | Matsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.38 | Matsy | no way |
| 10:15.00 | Matsy | Wobin, is this realm? |
| 10:15.06 | Fisker | hacked? |
| 10:15.14 | zenzio | Matsy: it is real |
| 10:15.15 | Wobin | yes? |
| 10:15.24 | Matsy | nooo |
| 10:15.28 | Matsy | This has to be april fools |
| 10:15.34 | Fisker | you have to see the end |
| 10:15.34 | Matsy | This is like a wet dream for photo editing. |
| 10:15.44 | zenzio | why? Photoshop is a highly advanced program already |
| 10:15.48 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 10:15.53 | Matsy | But this is SO useful |
| 10:16.05 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH0aEp1oDOI#t=4m0s |
| 10:16.45 | Wobin | it's VOODOO |
| 10:17.06 | Matsy | NOOOO |
| 10:17.08 | Matsy | The last part |
| 10:17.10 | Matsy | with the tree |
| 10:17.14 | Matsy | it deleted a whole tree |
| 10:17.26 | Wobin | yeah, wait til you see the next bits |
| 10:17.33 | Matsy | they are |
| 10:17.34 | Matsy | removing the road? |
| 10:17.37 | Fisker | just see my link |
| 10:17.44 | Fisker | you'll be even more WTF than ever |
| 10:18.19 | Matsy | wait |
| 10:18.21 | Matsy | I am already |
| 10:18.24 | Matsy | wtfing @ the link of Wobin |
| 10:18.27 | Matsy | with the sky |
| 10:18.40 | Matsy | NO WAY |
| 10:18.54 | Antiarc | Gimp's synthesis module can already do that, kinda |
| 10:18.58 | Antiarc | Not as well, but it's believable. |
| 10:19.04 | Matsy | Gimp never does anything 'as well' |
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| 10:24.55 | Matsy | http://www.cs.princeton.edu/gfx/pubs/Barnes_2009_PAR/index.php |
| 10:24.58 | Matsy | oh my |
| 10:25.10 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/03/airport_worker_uses_3d_body_sc.php |
| 10:25.43 | mikma | it's cool when you inspect passengers, but it's traumatising when they use it on each other |
| 10:26.23 | Matsy | lol @ second reply: COULD AT LEAST SCAN A HOT CO-WORKER!!! &t (&@ )*(& |
| 10:26.51 | Wobin | http://www.news.com.au/technology/australian-doctors-create-worlds-first-electronic-underpants/story-e6frfro0-1225846138278 |
| 10:27.05 | mikma | wobin: you wearing a pair now? |
| 10:27.06 | Wobin | Just what you need, Fisker! |
| 10:28.20 | Cairenn | HAH! For all you USAians who mock me for saying pop: http://www.cairenn-mmorpg.com/images/various/hahdolby!.jpg |
| 10:28.48 | Matsy | So it's a hillbilly thing |
| 10:28.51 | Matsy | good to know |
| 10:29.10 | Wobin | I call it 'soft drink' |
| 10:29.17 | Matsy | ^ |
| 10:29.19 | Matsy | Same here |
| 10:29.33 | Wobin | cause why would you call a soft drink that -isn't- cocacola... coke? |
| 10:29.34 | Taroven | "We developed d to provide greater comfort and dignity to the elderly while aiming to significantly lower costs for aged care facilities." ...Somehow I feel the dignity point is moot for those... |
| 10:29.53 | mikma | wobin: lemonade xD |
| 10:30.01 | Matsy | 120k respondants, nice |
| 10:30.01 | Wobin | yeah, why call it coke? |
| 10:31.40 | Taroven | I usually say soda, though I've noticed I'll say pop every so often... raised in WA, spent a lot of time in CA. |
| 10:32.13 | Cairenn | that one has always baffled me, too .... "I think I'll have a coke" "What flavor?" "Oh, bring me a sprite" |
| 10:32.18 | Cairenn | *boggle* |
| 10:32.34 | mikma | lol |
| 10:32.43 | Taroven | I've seen it too many times, and it confuses the living daylights out of me every time. |
| 10:34.42 | Cairenn | the whole "soda" vs "pop" thing, at least both make sense, since they're both derived from 'soda pop' |
| 10:34.59 | Cairenn | but calling all of them coke? that's just flat out weird |
| 10:35.36 | Taroven | I've never actually seen what happens when they actually want *Coke* when they've called it that. |
| 10:35.48 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:36.17 | Taroven | "I'll have a coke." "What kind?" "A coke." "WHAT KIND" |
| 10:36.20 | mikma | that's why i always order my drinks by name |
| 10:38.35 | Antiarc | Adys: http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/css/tooltip.css has 1 very inefficient rules, 1 inefficient rules, and 0 potentially inefficient uses of :hover out of 122 total rules. |
| 10:38.36 | Antiarc | :O |
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| 10:45.11 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: so you're saying his css is next to perfect? ^^ |
| 10:45.23 | Antiarc | It's quite good :) |
| 10:46.01 | Gnarfoz | also, re content aware fill: http://o3.tumblr.com/post/470608946/photoshops-caf-content-aware-fill-unbelievable |
| 10:48.31 | Matsy | .. bleh |
| 10:48.33 | Matsy | the examples on that site |
| 10:48.44 | Matsy | Are a .. a lot worse, if I may say so |
| 10:50.39 | Gnarfoz | your comparison being based on a 480p youtube video |
| 10:50.42 | Gnarfoz | and those screenshot |
| 10:50.45 | Gnarfoz | *s |
| 10:50.52 | Matsy | Well |
| 10:50.54 | Matsy | Looking at the landscape |
| 10:50.59 | Matsy | in the desert |
| 10:51.12 | Matsy | Even an unfocused eye could see that the Photoshop plugin does it a lot better. |
| 10:51.14 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't look as dark as Photoshop's result |
| 10:51.18 | Gnarfoz | what |
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| 10:51.50 | Gnarfoz | could you make an actual complaint rather than calling one or the other "better" or "worse"? |
| 10:52.30 | frontendloader | why do I get the feeling that pitbull5 is going to be a blank lua file with a README proclaiming that it is the ULTIMATE in customizeability. |
| 10:52.36 | Matsy | Okay, fine |
| 10:53.14 | Gnarfoz | frontendloader: if it was that, it'd be oUF |
| 10:53.21 | Elkano | frontendloader without using code from PB4 or any lib! |
| 10:54.12 | Matsy | If you look at the GIMP-resynthesize, there seems to be some 'space' between the bushes, as compared to the CS5 plugin, when it was obvious that the bushline was starting right before the road, and would continue much further than the GIMP-resynthesize |
| 10:54.36 | Matsy | There should be this 'forest' of bushes there, as the CS5 one does, but GIMP decides to add desert space, when it shouldn't really be there |
| 10:54.52 | frontendloader | pitbull4's configuration is getting ridiculously close to just writing raw lua |
| 10:55.06 | Gnarfoz | how can you claim something "should" be there when the only thing that "should" be there is the fucking road? |
| 10:55.12 | Matsy | Because it is obvious |
| 10:55.20 | Gnarfoz | you like the denser bushes/darker result of PS better? fine |
| 10:55.35 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't make the more sandy/less dark result of gimp-resynthesize worse |
| 10:55.37 | Arrowmaster | frontendloader: you mean the LuaText stuff? |
| 10:55.37 | Gnarfoz | just different |
| 10:55.43 | Matsy | At the other side of the road, there's this very dense bush space, that starts even before the road. |
| 10:55.50 | Matsy | It would only makes sense that that would continue. |
| 10:55.55 | Gnarfoz | how can anything start before the road |
| 10:56.02 | Matsy | Can't you see it? ;o |
| 10:56.07 | frontendloader | not even that, just the whole being able to do almost anything to a unitframe that you create |
| 10:56.21 | frontendloader | including separating out the castbar from it, anchoring it to a frame of your chosing |
| 10:56.47 | frontendloader | we're closing in on Discord |
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| 10:57.44 | Gnarfoz | no, I don't see it |
| 10:57.55 | Fisker | today is the day Gnarfoz |
| 10:58.01 | Gnarfoz | also, be aware that the result will be influenced by the shape of the selection |
| 10:58.12 | Matsy | Yeah, that's the only thing |
| 10:58.17 | Matsy | I didn't know how GIMP selected it |
| 10:58.19 | Gnarfoz | the PS guy selected way into the surrounding area |
| 10:58.34 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: today is the friday Fisker |
| 10:59.06 | Gnarfoz | meh, Microsoft certification test in ~2 hours |
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| 10:59.14 | Gnarfoz | LAN party after that :D |
| 10:59.16 | Matsy | What certification are you going to get, Gnarfoz? ;p |
| 10:59.19 | Fisker | butts Gnarfoz |
| 10:59.34 | Gnarfoz | Matsy: part of MCITP for MS SQL Server 2005 |
| 10:59.44 | frontendloader | Today is Setting Orange, the 12th day of Discord in the YOLD 3176 |
| 10:59.58 | Gnarfoz | ~date |
| 10:59.59 | purl | It is now 2010.03.26 10:59:59 GMT |
| 11:00.06 | Gnarfoz | purl can do that, too, meh |
| 11:00.12 | frontendloader | ~ddate |
| 11:00.13 | Matsy | Which one, Gnarfoz? |
| 11:00.17 | Gnarfoz | 70-443 |
| 11:00.25 | Gnarfoz | PRO: Designing a Database Server Infrastructure by Using Microsoft SQL Server 2005 |
| 11:00.29 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 11:00.31 | Fisker | lulz |
| 11:01.39 | Matsy | Sounds really interesting, I haven't done any of those exams, just the ones on MCTS. |
| 11:01.51 | frontendloader | does that cover normal forms and whatnot |
| 11:01.52 | Matsy | But, SQL Server is .. magical, in many ways |
| 11:02.06 | frontendloader | or is it software specific more |
| 11:02.26 | Gnarfoz | http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/Exam.aspx?ID=70-443 |
| 11:11.25 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 11:11.29 | Fisker | deploy sensors |
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| 12:24.08 | Aelobin | hmm, the arena preparation buff doesn't appear in CLEU? :< |
| 12:36.14 | Arathros | wow i got mad seeing that ms uses sql |
| 12:37.30 | olafski | yeah, how dare they! |
| 12:37.35 | Arathros | well |
| 12:37.44 | olafski | wait, what? do tell us your well founded opinion as to why microsoft is not allowed to use SQL |
| 12:37.53 | Arathros | the free world has php. ms had asp |
| 12:38.05 | olafski | hehe I knew this would be good :P |
| 12:38.11 | Arathros | the free world sql, ms... access crap |
| 12:38.12 | zenzio | SQL is a standard, not a product |
| 12:38.13 | Arathros | ;P |
| 12:38.14 | Antiarc | You realize SQL isn't coupled to either of those, right? |
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| 12:38.28 | Arathros | ye but i dont like ms for using it. |
| 12:38.39 | Antiarc | The un-"free world" has Oracle :P |
| 12:38.45 | zenzio | I guess MS shouldn't be allowed to use HTML, PNG, etc. either then? |
| 12:38.52 | olafski | this is one of those people who say "I glanced at vista and it's full of leaks" |
| 12:39.21 | Arathros | zenzelezz they got java, and bmp ;P istn that enough |
| 12:39.27 | Antiarc | wat |
| 12:39.29 | olafski | microsoft has java! |
| 12:39.32 | Antiarc | waaaaaaat |
| 12:39.35 | olafski | hahaha |
| 12:39.37 | Arathros | ;P |
| 12:39.53 | olafski | someone had better tell oracle this |
| 12:39.59 | olafski | lawsuit of the century! |
| 12:40.02 | Arathros | has a mission.. what is the stupidest thing one can say to make geeks laugh... its not titties atleast ;P |
| 12:40.02 | Antiarc | Also, PHP is a black mark against open source software. :P |
| 12:40.14 | Arathros | lol |
| 12:40.18 | zenzio | Antiarc: in what sense? |
| 12:40.30 | Antiarc | zenzio: In the sense that it's a steaming pile o' crap? :P |
| 12:40.46 | Antiarc | For crying out loud, the language didn't even have namespaces until this last release |
| 12:40.49 | zenzio | ah. Thought maybe you meant it wasn't really adhering to open source or something |
| 12:40.57 | Antiarc | What kind of civilized language with OO concepts doesn't have namespaces |
| 12:41.05 | Antiarc | No. I just generally dislike working in it :P |
| 12:41.13 | olafski | seems I've missed a lot since I last looked at php |
| 12:41.24 | Antiarc | Languages like Lua and Javascript and Ruby and Python are wonderful and powerful and sleek |
| 12:41.30 | Antiarc | PHP is...well. Not. |
| 12:41.36 | zenzio | I'm still curious about why you have to do "global $something" to access a global variable inside a function. Doesn't sound so global to me o_O |
| 12:42.25 | olafski | mmmmmruby |
| 12:42.47 | Arathros | well what about rescources. java isnt sleek. or i havent seen any sleek sites made yet |
| 12:43.11 | olafski | oh dear |
| 12:43.15 | zenzio | hm, I hadn't seen "[weasel words]" on wikipedia before |
| 12:43.51 | Antiarc | Arathros: Many of the websites you use run on Java servelets :P |
| 12:44.00 | olafski | nono antiarc java can't create sleek layouts! |
| 12:44.12 | Antiarc | Oh, right |
| 12:44.22 | olafski | didn't you know java is the new alternative to html? |
| 12:44.29 | Antiarc | Only ugly Swing layouts allowed! |
| 12:45.08 | Arathros | its funny to see how you twist everying into something i didnt say. |
| 12:45.14 | olafski | java is also so slow that nobody uses it btw.. it's completely unusable |
| 12:45.59 | olafski | there, another nice bias mentioned |
| 12:46.48 | Arathros | i need to test this 2 sec |
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| 12:47.20 | foxlit | "You are disturbing me. I am picking mushrooms." << How awesome is that guy? |
| 12:47.28 | zenzio | very! |
| 12:47.34 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 12:47.37 | Fisker | but not so hey Antiarc :( |
| 12:47.37 | olafski | very very awesome |
| 12:47.39 | zenzio | I was surprised he even has a phone |
| 12:48.18 | Arathros | blizzard " we are about to dev a very very very popular site for wow gamers.." end result. 32 sec to load content on front page with a 20mbit lol |
| 12:48.42 | Antiarc | It's almost as if bandwidth isn't the bottleneck :o |
| 12:48.44 | Arathros | is it me or do blizzards site HAVE ADVERTS NOW |
| 12:48.54 | Antiarc | Welcome to like a year ago? |
| 12:48.56 | olafski | is that new? |
| 12:49.13 | Arathros | I've used FF or chrome with ad removers and just laoded the site in IE |
| 12:49.21 | Arathros | they earn billions. and need ads? |
| 12:49.30 | olafski | Error loading stylesheet: A network error occured loading an XSLT stylesheet: <-- this clearly means java sucks too btw |
| 12:50.58 | Fisker | Arathros they don't need them |
| 12:51.06 | Fisker | but billions + a few extra millions on the side > billions |
| 12:51.07 | foxlit | Arathros: They want to earn more billions? |
| 12:51.21 | foxlit | hey Fisker. |
| 12:51.27 | foxlit | Waiting for the ladder reset? |
| 12:51.31 | olafski | is there proof anywhere of how much profit blizzard makes in a year? |
| 12:51.34 | Fisker | no |
| 12:51.42 | Antiarc | olafski: Sure, their tax filings. |
| 12:51.50 | foxlit | olafski: yes, yearly reports |
| 12:51.50 | Arathros | with 1 ad on the front page. and lol now i see the ironi... the random ad i got.. MEET SINGLES... thats anti constructive for wow lol. getting people away from computer |
| 12:51.51 | Antiarc | http://www.dailyfinance.com/financials/activision-blizzard-inc/atvi/nas/income-statement |
| 12:51.54 | olafski | mkay.. I don't really have a clue how to see those =( |
| 12:52.31 | Fisker | besides Blizzard already stated that sofar, including developement, and their massive several-thousand employee support team WoW has cost them 200 millions |
| 12:52.32 | olafski | which number should I be looking at? gross income? EBIT? |
| 12:52.35 | Fisker | that was last year |
| 12:52.42 | Antiarc | http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=ATVI |
| 12:52.53 | foxlit | Gross income is a wild overshoot, but it shows you *every* piece of money they received during the year |
| 12:53.15 | olafski | 1 billion is 1,000,000,000 right |
| 12:53.16 | foxlit | So if you sell a $50 chair that costs you $45 to manufacture, that's still a $50 on your gross income |
| 12:53.21 | Antiarc | Ues |
| 12:53.22 | Fisker | So basically $12.99 * 6,000,000*60 -200,000,000 is an alright estimate |
| 12:53.30 | olafski | oh I thought gross income was income-expenses =( |
| 12:53.33 | Antiarc | Not really Fisker |
| 12:53.39 | Antiarc | Subscription prices aren't the same in all regions |
| 12:53.44 | Fisker | i know |
| 12:53.48 | foxlit | er |
| 12:53.48 | Fisker | therefor estimate |
| 12:53.50 | Arathros | just say 15$ |
| 12:53.53 | foxlit | I'm talking about Net sales |
| 12:53.56 | foxlit | Nevermind me :) |
| 12:53.57 | Arathros | cause we pay more in europe |
| 12:53.57 | Fisker | and the same reason why i totally left out china |
| 12:54.02 | olafski | foxlit: gross income on that site seems to be 2.90B - 1.61B - 34.13M |
| 12:54.05 | olafski | okay |
| 12:54.07 | Fisker | figured it'd balance itself out somewhat |
| 12:54.15 | olafski | so let's say "they earn billions" is quite an overstatement to begin with |
| 12:54.21 | Antiarc | Activision Blizzard had $4.28 billion in total revenue last year. Heh. |
| 12:54.36 | Antiarc | That. Is a shitload of money. |
| 12:54.44 | foxlit | Basically, I'd look at "Net Income" |
| 12:54.50 | foxlit | Which they boil down to 344 M |
| 12:54.53 | Arathros | they almost doubled from 2007 to 2008 ;P |
| 12:55.15 | Antiarc | http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=ATVI&annual |
| 12:55.17 | Antiarc | There's a fun sheet |
| 12:55.22 | olafski | foxlit: kay, so definitely not billions ;) |
| 12:55.37 | Antiarc | Total assets: $13.7 billion, with $2.98 billion in liabilities |
| 12:55.50 | foxlit | Includes weird things, like chairs. |
| 12:55.55 | Fisker | $7 million in goodwill? |
| 12:55.57 | Fisker | ;o |
| 12:56.04 | Arathros | 90 million is 6 mill sub * 15 dollars. *12 month = 1.2 bill just from us addicts |
| 12:56.22 | olafski | sigh :P |
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| 12:56.33 | olafski | and how much does it cost them to provide us addicts with our addiction? |
| 12:57.17 | olafski | according to that first site they "receive" about 2 billion a year but end up with 344 million |
| 12:57.31 | Arathros | With more than 11.5 million monthly subscriptions in December 2008 |
| 12:57.35 | Arathros | I'm working on a low number lol |
| 12:57.44 | olafski | who knows how much that would drop if they didn't have ads on their site |
| 12:57.51 | Arathros | 2 bill from subs ;P |
| 12:58.00 | Fisker | assuming that everyone in america + europe pays the least amount for subscriptions then it's about $825 million |
| 12:58.02 | Fisker | per year |
| 12:58.13 | Aelobin | is there any known reason why a buff would appear in UnitAura but not in the combat log event? |
| 12:58.28 | Arathros | well EU people pay a lot more than 15$ so 15 is a good number ;P |
| 12:58.50 | Wobin | hm less in 09 than 08? |
| 12:58.58 | Fisker | UK pays a lot less |
| 12:58.59 | Fisker | which sucks |
| 12:59.04 | Arathros | uk pa less? |
| 12:59.17 | Fisker | They pay ~$11,90 for a single-month month subscription |
| 12:59.24 | Fisker | EU pays ~$17 |
| 12:59.30 | Arathros | isnt that 11.90£ |
| 12:59.34 | foxlit | lua> 17/1.25 |
| 12:59.35 | Fisker | no |
| 12:59.40 | foxlit | !lua 17/1.25 |
| 12:59.40 | batbot | foxlit: > 13.6 |
| 12:59.50 | foxlit | close enough |
| 12:59.50 | Fisker | it's £8.99 per month |
| 13:00.12 | foxlit | 9 pounds = 13.39 USD according to google |
| 13:00.19 | Arathros | got any UK people here that can check that? |
| 13:00.31 | Fisker | not according to todays exchange rates here :o |
| 13:00.46 | Fisker | actually |
| 13:00.52 | Fisker | my fat fingers can't hit 8 |
| 13:00.55 | Fisker | hit 7 instead :( |
| 13:01.08 | Fisker | teh foxlit is teh right |
| 13:01.16 | Arathros | asking a guildie if he's on to check it |
| 13:01.29 | Fisker | anyway my point is that it's awesome getting games gifted from the UK over steam |
| 13:01.33 | olafski | why check it >_< |
| 13:01.34 | Fisker | you save 20-30% on games |
| 13:01.35 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 13:01.45 | olafski | torchlight for 4 euro now fisker! |
| 13:01.53 | Fisker | got it already |
| 13:02.00 | olafski | I should get that just to have more than 3 games on steam |
| 13:02.05 | Fisker | and the sad/great part is that game prices here have begun reaching steam levels anyway |
| 13:02.15 | Fisker | Just Cause 2 you could just as well have purchased from Steam than retail |
| 13:02.51 | Fisker | yeah you're a bit behind on games olafski |
| 13:03.15 | olafski | I don't really play pc games other than wow |
| 13:03.19 | olafski | remember!? |
| 13:03.31 | olafski | I have about 12 games listed in steam |
| 13:03.33 | Fisker | basically the same here :P |
| 13:03.40 | olafski | but that's only because HL1 gives about 10 games |
| 13:03.48 | Fisker | I play a new game for a week or so, then i go back to playing wow |
| 13:03.48 | Arathros | i got 1 game lol |
| 13:03.53 | Arathros | CS 1.6 |
| 13:04.03 | olafski | yeah I do that too |
| 13:04.08 | olafski | except the new game I try it on the 360 |
| 13:04.15 | Arathros | havent seen nothign good i wanna pay for in a long time |
| 13:04.19 | olafski | MUA2 was actually quite fun but then I find some achievement I want in wow so I go back |
| 13:04.41 | olafski | started on wintersabers last night.. much fun there |
| 13:04.50 | industrial | After a 3 month break I started playing wow again this week. |
| 13:05.18 | olafski | I'm playing "debug the tostring method" =( |
| 13:05.50 | Arathros | so youre the ally scum are ya |
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| 13:06.07 | industrial | eh? horde. |
| 13:06.17 | olafski | me, industrial :P |
| 13:06.18 | Arathros | not you.. olafski |
| 13:06.29 | Arathros | he said wintersabers ;P only alliance crap ;P |
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| 13:06.57 | olafski | I started on the venomhide ravasaur thing yesterday as well |
| 13:07.26 | Arathros | i got 12 teeth ;PÆ |
| 13:07.31 | olafski | good for you |
| 13:08.01 | Fisker | olafski Arathros industrial |
| 13:08.07 | olafski | goes back to his toString() |
| 13:08.15 | Fisker | no! |
| 13:08.18 | olafski | yes! |
| 13:08.33 | Arathros | yes firskermandens ven? |
| 13:08.56 | Fisker | no! |
| 13:09.16 | olafski | yes :( |
| 13:09.29 | Fisker | no :( |
| 13:09.32 | olafski | so slow to debug this stuff because java is such a resource hog :p |
| 13:09.38 | Matsy | java and resource hog? |
| 13:09.41 | olafski | I need moar cores |
| 13:09.46 | Matsy | what |
| 13:09.48 | olafski | sarcasm matsy =( |
| 13:09.48 | foxlit | Your code sucks(tm) |
| 13:10.00 | olafski | yeah pretty sure it does foxlit |
| 13:10.07 | olafski | but I'm hoping my supervisor finds that out after he's graded me |
| 13:10.09 | Matsy | I mean, I guess Applets really fail in Java :+ |
| 13:10.17 | Matsy | as resource pigs |
| 13:10.50 | Fisker | http://notalwaysright.com/underdeveloped-web-developers/4802 <-i don't want to meet the worst one then :o |
| 13:11.27 | olafski | LOL |
| 13:11.48 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._C._Escher |
| 13:12.01 | Lopeppeppy | I love his work. |
| 13:12.08 | Kraps | ^ |
| 13:12.10 | Matsy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escher_(programming_language) |
| 13:12.12 | Arathros | lol |
| 13:12.17 | Fisker | i do not Kraps |
| 13:12.18 | Matsy | I love his work. |
| 13:12.34 | Fisker | i do not Matsy |
| 13:12.37 | Matsy | What. |
| 13:12.43 | Matsy | I meant J.W. Lloyd |
| 13:12.45 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 13:12.47 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 13:12.52 | Matsy | The one who invented the programming language ;p |
| 13:12.52 | Kraps | STFU |
| 13:12.58 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 13:13.23 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 13:13.30 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 13:13.34 | Fisker | N |
| 13:15.51 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24037743544&sid=1 WTF |
| 13:16.58 | Matsy | Wtf |
| 13:17.04 | Matsy | There isn't THAT much broken stuff |
| 13:17.16 | Matsy | Yesterday's restarts fixed a bunch of PvP related ones |
| 13:18.02 | Matsy | Why is anyone gemming BC gear anyway :+ |
| 13:19.04 | Arathros | maul doesnt work |
| 13:19.13 | Matsy | .. maul.. doesn't work? |
| 13:19.48 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5502228/the-ginormous-flow-chart-history-of-game-studios |
| 13:21.56 | olafski | I always gem my BC gear |
| 13:21.59 | Matsy | How doesnt maul work, Arathros? |
| 13:22.13 | Arathros | well yesterday , no aggro generation on druids |
| 13:22.36 | Matsy | What |
| 13:22.38 | Matsy | That's horrible |
| 13:22.43 | Arathros | ye |
| 13:22.49 | Matsy | Is it fixed now? |
| 13:22.52 | Arathros | couldnt tank... |
| 13:22.54 | Arathros | no idea ;P |
| 13:22.59 | Arathros | i went balance instead |
| 13:23.05 | Matsy | LOL |
| 13:23.10 | Fisker | why so wtf Kraps ? |
| 13:23.40 | Kraps | why so Fisker Fisker? |
| 13:23.45 | foxlit | "Hey, we can make a giant JPEG!" |
| 13:23.48 | foxlit | "Awesome!" |
| 13:23.55 | Arathros | the first day aswell in out group. in WG. when we won. the wallks didnt repair. so alliens just walked in andd took it over lol |
| 13:24.20 | Arathros | 6 days till aprils fool ;P |
| 13:24.23 | Arathros | remember that |
| 13:24.49 | Arathros | hmm anyone know about server setups? |
| 13:24.58 | Matsy | What server setups? |
| 13:25.09 | olafski | "hi guys anyone know about web development?" |
| 13:25.26 | Arathros | i need somehow.. having shared a NIC in xp. to the rest of the network. to limit their upload |
| 13:25.26 | olafski | "my computer is broken" |
| 13:25.52 | Matsy | ... what |
| 13:26.10 | Matsy | Arathros, what're you saying? |
| 13:27.05 | Arathros | well internet comes in ->>> 1 nic.... out the other nic to the rest of the dorm... i need a dhcp server + BW limiter contricted to each.. sothey have 1mb dl and 5kb upload |
| 13:27.22 | olafski | would you like fries with that? |
| 13:28.07 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 13:30.09 | zenzio | I think you misspelled "faps" |
| 13:30.23 | Fisker | no |
| 13:30.26 | Fisker | zenzio |
| 13:30.32 | Fisker | why won't they just lift the nda already? |
| 13:30.47 | zenzio | on what? |
| 13:30.58 | Fisker | fermi |
| 13:33.53 | Cide | what nda? |
| 13:34.06 | zenzio | the first rule of Fermi club is you do not talk about Fermi club |
| 13:36.27 | Fisker | i talk about fermi club |
| 13:36.31 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 13:38.55 | Cide | hi |
| 13:39.52 | Fisker | am i talking to you Cide ? |
| 13:39.58 | Cide | no |
| 13:41.31 | Fisker | :( |
| 13:41.47 | Fisker | you've killed us all |
| 13:49.18 | Fisker | i wonder if killing yourself helps pass time |
| 13:49.29 | Fisker | what say you Cide |
| 13:49.30 | Fisker | ? |
| 13:49.37 | Cide | no |
| 13:49.46 | Fisker | oh |
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| 13:53.10 | Kraps | that toilet session was unsatisfying |
| 13:53.47 | Fisker | goes to the police |
| 13:54.08 | Fisker | Kraps touched me in places :( |
| 13:56.42 | Kraps | admit it, you liked it |
| 13:57.25 | Kraps | lol @ dad raging at my bro |
| 13:58.51 | Fisker | fffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu- |
| 14:02.29 | Arathros | hmm |
| 14:02.32 | Arathros | someone here? |
| 14:02.37 | Matsy | Of course |
| 14:02.38 | Kraps | no |
| 14:02.38 | Matsy | :D |
| 14:02.55 | Arathros | hmm wow just stopped working.. its still rendering and all that.. but like no packets got sent |
| 14:03.00 | Arathros | or recieved |
| 14:03.46 | zenzio | your attempts at throttling your network backfired |
| 14:03.46 | nevcairiel | that is called lag |
| 14:03.47 | zenzio | ;) |
| 14:05.10 | Kraps | how could this be real? http://notalwaysright.com/canada-america%e2%80%99s-hat-part-2/4764 |
| 14:07.12 | Lopeppeppy | very easily, Kraps.... very sad. |
| 14:07.31 | olafski | lol |
| 14:10.33 | olafski | bleh I've removed a couple of channels from the list and now I keep pressing the wrong hotkeys =( |
| 14:11.02 | zenzio | the age-old problem |
| 14:11.55 | DWSR | can someone please explain to me what the fuckshit the patch is for? |
| 14:12.02 | DWSR | ~wowalert |
| 14:12.03 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 14:16.26 | DWSR | Does anyone have the patch uploaded somewhere? Downloader's stuck. |
| 14:17.32 | Maldivia | http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/ ? |
| 14:20.46 | DWSR | Doesn't have the latest. |
| 14:20.53 | DWSR | This is a hotfix patch |
| 14:27.48 | DWSR | Good to see that this patch has fixed stability issues. |
| 14:27.49 | DWSR | NOT. |
| 14:27.59 | DWSR | I'm not actually HAVING issues. |
| 14:28.02 | DWSR | s/not/now/ |
| 14:28.12 | Ackis | my wow is really stable |
| 14:29.33 | Maldivia | it's a 4mb patch... |
| 14:29.38 | Maldivia | just use the downloader :P |
| 14:29.56 | DWSR | Maldivia: Yeah, the downloader was stuck though |
| 14:30.03 | DWSR | No peers with the parts I needed. |
| 14:30.10 | DWSR | Had to wait for the webseed/. |
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| 14:30.25 | Maldivia | you dont have a script to force download from web seed? |
| 14:30.34 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:30.45 | DWSR | Maldivia: I'm not an abusive peer. |
| 14:30.51 | Stanzilla | Ackis: that's because you don't run it |
| 14:31.07 | Maldivia | DWSR: well, if you disable peer to peer in the downloader, it'll always download from web |
| 14:31.16 | DWSR | Maldivia: Yeah, and then it's even slower. |
| 14:31.56 | Maldivia | well, I started the launcher, and it took 15 secs to download the downloader and patch, so o problem here |
| 14:32.07 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 14:32.11 | DWSR | It's done. |
| 14:32.12 | Ackis | Stanzilla: :D |
| 14:32.20 | DWSR | but it took 9 minutes to download/install a 4mb patch. |
| 14:32.31 | Maldivia | well, guess that clears the item cache, so the LK xbow will look correct again :( |
| 14:32.43 | DWSR | And I'm now ripping down a 5 CD album in FLAC at 2.5MB/s. |
| 14:32.48 | DWSR | So, it's not my connection |
| 14:33.10 | Maldivia | my ISP just gave me a free upgrade to 15/2 :P |
| 14:33.39 | Maldivia | which I'm quite happy with :) |
| 14:34.50 | Maldivia | so, not quite 2.5MB/sec, but still fast enough for my use |
| 14:37.28 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/the-tenth-circle-is-stupidity/4723 |
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| 14:38.09 | Maldivia | sounds like the title for a Dante's Inferno review :P |
| 14:39.00 | Maldivia | and... it was about Dante's Inferno :P |
| 14:44.07 | Ackis | facebook. How I hate you |
| 14:47.15 | Ackis | apparently facebooks new thing to do is suggest ex-gf's as friends :P interesting |
| 14:49.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... fun times that. |
| 14:50.14 | Ackis | well, one of them did get ugly :) |
| 14:50.32 | olafski | that's always nice to see |
| 14:50.44 | nicoli_s | i had this weird thing the other day where it suggested i be friends with this russian guy, and the only things we had in common was being a fan of blizzard and having cats in our pictures |
| 14:50.57 | olafski | sounds like a good basis for a friendship |
| 14:53.37 | Lopeppeppy | That's pretty much all FB requires to suggest a match, if you don't have other good matches to offer. |
| 14:54.45 | olafski | why does linkedin require me to sign in when adding someone as a contact, even though in the invitation message it somehow already knew my name =( |
| 14:55.08 | Ackis | lol I just found a cousin of mine of facebook who has this as a profile pic: http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v227/13/95/n626167186_7271.jpg |
| 14:55.25 | durcyn | olafski: because there's no certainty that it's actually _you_ reading that email. |
| 14:55.40 | olafski | durcyn: this was on the website, I was inviting somebody else |
| 14:56.07 | olafski | it provided me with a pre-written invitation about "hello, I would like to add you to my contacts, greetings [my name]" |
| 14:57.02 | durcyn | olafski: oh, well then, i'll leave you with this anonymous quote: "implementations, being software, suck." |
| 14:57.17 | olafski | :) |
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| 15:03.57 | Ackis | http://www.gamedev.net/reference/list.asp?categoryid=68 |
| 15:07.04 | olafski | go for it ackis |
| 15:07.37 | olafski | make a game with a gazillion achievements! |
| 15:08.32 | Lopeppeppy | As far as I can tell, every intro job wants you to have extensive real-world experience already, and know languages only used in game programming, but there's very little way to get any experience with those languages unless you already work there.... vicious cycle. |
| 15:09.22 | Ackis | plus they want to pay you peanuts :P |
| 15:09.28 | olafski | hm a friend of mine makes games and he generally just picks people up at universities |
| 15:09.44 | olafski | don't think he requires much of all that.. but yeah paying peanuts is the deal I guess :) |
| 15:11.23 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: Chantelle wants to be an artist at Bioware, there's a few links there for her (she had one of their producers give her some advice on twitter actually) |
| 15:11.33 | nicoli_s | thats awesome |
| 15:11.38 | nicoli_s | whats she wanna do, concept art? |
| 15:11.41 | Ackis | I just made Kaelten rage |
| 15:11.48 | Ackis | concept art, ingame art |
| 15:12.03 | nicoli_s | cool cool |
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| 15:12.31 | Ackis | http://blackenedbeast.deviantart.com/ that's her new portfolio until I get less lazy to make a website for her |
| 15:12.49 | Ackis | http://evilshae.deviantart.com/ her old one |
| 15:13.00 | nicoli_s | i love that kittiy pic :) |
| 15:14.03 | Ackis | yeah it's amazing, I'm going to frame it once she's done using it for portfolios |
| 15:14.23 | Matsy | Oh man, her old work is amazing |
| 15:14.31 | Matsy | She seemed to have this really distinct style back then |
| 15:15.46 | Ackis | her new one was just created a few months ago :P |
| 15:16.53 | Matsy | Hm. |
| 15:16.56 | Matsy | Might be the lack of examples, then ;p |
| 15:19.03 | Ackis | :P |
| 15:19.15 | cogwheel | grumbles at chromes lack of scrollbars for SVG files |
| 15:19.23 | cogwheel | chome's* |
| 15:20.37 | Matsy | cogwheel, if you want, there's a fix for it? ;p |
| 15:20.50 | Wobin | Ackis, KITTY! |
| 15:20.51 | Matsy | You'd have to update Chrome's webkit to the latest version, though. |
| 15:20.57 | Matsy | https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11225 |
| 15:21.34 | Ackis | Wobin: meow! |
| 15:22.12 | nevcairiel | chrome dev channel has scroll bars |
| 15:22.32 | olafski | no channel has scrollbars for me :( |
| 15:22.34 | Matsy | It's already in dev channel? |
| 15:22.43 | nevcairiel | well i have scroll bars :d |
| 15:22.46 | Matsy | On SVG? |
| 15:22.51 | olafski | no, on IRC |
| 15:22.53 | cogwheel | too much work when i can just open it with inkscape imo |
| 15:22.53 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/03/hello_guts_a_look_at_hello_kit.php |
| 15:23.01 | Matsy | It's about SVG images, eh |
| 15:23.01 | nevcairiel | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Unix_history-simple.svg |
| 15:23.03 | nevcairiel | scrollbars! |
| 15:23.03 | cogwheel | i'll wait for the update to make it down the pipe :P |
| 15:23.10 | Matsy | Ah! |
| 15:23.17 | Matsy | Right'o, nevcairiel |
| 15:23.26 | cogwheel | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Tree_of_life_SVG.svg |
| 15:23.38 | nevcairiel | scrollbars too |
| 15:23.46 | Matsy | Yeah, everything works on that image |
| 15:23.51 | Matsy | zooming in, out, scrollbars |
| 15:26.02 | Kraps | new CoS is so win |
| 15:26.12 | DWSR | ironically. |
| 15:26.15 | DWSR | I haven't had it yet. |
| 15:26.59 | Kraps | first time since the patch for me |
| 15:27.39 | Matsy | I haven't had it either |
| 15:27.40 | Matsy | But |
| 15:27.48 | Matsy | Ever since battlegrounds got released, I'd prefer doing them |
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| 15:29.17 | Kraps | arthas ports after the waves :o |
| 15:29.53 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV2SJQzrXLE <3 <3 <3 |
| 15:30.02 | DWSR | Kraps: Oh, thank christ. |
| 15:30.21 | foxlit | Such a big mess out of a 1-minute issue :) |
| 15:31.50 | Matsy | wtf is this music :( |
| 15:32.25 | olafski | that seems a bit over the top kraps |
| 15:32.47 | Matsy | man |
| 15:32.50 | Matsy | there was a paladin complaining |
| 15:32.54 | Matsy | that I had less than 30k mana |
| 15:32.55 | Matsy | unbuffed |
| 15:33.01 | olafski | you really should press enter less often |
| 15:33.15 | olafski | like.. only at the end of a sentence ;) |
| 15:33.25 | Matsy | Hahahaha, I always think of things to say after I pressed return ;) |
| 15:33.37 | olafski | you thought of more to say after "man"? |
| 15:33.45 | olafski | imagine if you hadn't.. just "man" and then nothing :P |
| 15:33.54 | Matsy | Yeah, at first, I wanted to keep it at 'man', and then let it be |
| 15:34.06 | Fisker | foxlit olafski Kraps |
| 15:34.08 | Matsy | But, for some reason, that seemed .. useless, and then I decided to add more to the simple sentence. |
| 15:34.08 | olafski | better make it "moan" then so it makes sense! |
| 15:34.31 | olafski | "man there was a paladin complaining" makes sense too though.. could've left it at that ;) |
| 15:34.48 | Matsy | I'll stick with full sentences now then, I guess ;) |
| 15:35.08 | olafski | :-] |
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| 15:35.16 | olafski | meanwhile your DK is still lvl 59! |
| 15:35.19 | Matsy | Yes! |
| 15:35.21 | Matsy | I had raids to do |
| 15:35.43 | Matsy | .. I mean, raid resets were 2 days ago, I need to do a bunch of them, and get my honor cap, etc, etc. |
| 15:36.12 | Matsy | I should be able to play my DK tonight |
| 15:37.05 | olafski | ;) |
| 15:37.14 | olafski | I'll be running up and down winterspring again tonight I think |
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| 15:40.10 | Kraps | olafski: there aint no power in the verse than QQ |
| 15:40.42 | Kraps | greater power* |
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| 15:41.29 | DWSR | woot Firefly reference. |
| 15:41.46 | Kraps | it's shiny |
| 15:41.54 | DWSR | shiney* |
| 15:42.10 | Kraps | what |
| 15:42.30 | durcyn | nerds |
| 15:42.36 | DWSR | shine-y. |
| 15:42.39 | DWSR | Not shin-y. |
| 15:42.43 | DWSR | shiny is something very different. |
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| 15:42.51 | DWSR | (at least where I am it is). |
| 15:43.08 | DWSR | Though, I suppose it would be spelled shinn-y, but hey. |
| 15:43.33 | durcyn | where you're at is wrong, for what it's worth. |
| 15:43.45 | DWSR | durcyn: Not a whole lot, tbh. |
| 15:43.53 | DWSR | shiney(sp?) |
| 15:43.54 | batbot | DWSR, shine, shined, shiner, shines, shinny, shiny. |
| 15:44.03 | DWSR | ah, yeah. |
| 15:44.04 | DWSR | 2 ns. |
| 15:44.15 | DWSR | I sit corrected. |
| 15:44.17 | olafski | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shiny :P |
| 15:44.29 | Kraps | shinny would have a short i |
| 15:44.30 | olafski | kraps: guess so.. I can see skipping the initial RP stuff makes sense but having arthas teleport goes a bit too far imo :P |
| 15:44.41 | Fisker | i almost wasted a t10 token :O |
| 15:44.49 | DWSR | olafski: Arthas teleport is good. |
| 15:44.56 | olafski | your opinion |
| 15:44.58 | DWSR | olafski: He takes way too fucking long to run to where he's supposed to go. |
| 15:45.24 | DWSR | I've seen him take upwards of 3 minutes, even after they patched him to ignore the zombies. |
| 15:46.11 | Kraps | its about a 2-3 minute different |
| 15:46.18 | Kraps | based on my run |
| 15:46.37 | olafski | I still don't think it's necessary ;p |
| 15:46.49 | olafski | the initial RP stuff takes like 5 minutes though |
| 15:46.52 | DWSR | 5? |
| 15:46.55 | DWSR | Try 10. |
| 15:46.56 | olafski | maybe 7-8 |
| 15:46.57 | olafski | I dunno |
| 15:46.59 | Kraps | 6 |
| 15:47.05 | Kraps | 7 |
| 15:47.14 | olafski | every time I see that timer it's "oh, really, that long?" and then I forget what it said |
| 15:47.15 | DWSR | crates, run, RP, RP, first pull is 10 minutes. |
| 15:48.20 | DWSR | And if you get H AN, for example, you can do the whole instance in 6 minutes. |
| 15:48.43 | DWSR | Now that the deserter's 30 minutes, it's not such a big deal. |
| 15:48.53 | Kraps | shin·y [shahy-nee] |
| 15:49.07 | DWSR | But before, I would definitely drop CoS groups because I knew that if I got a shorter heroic next time around, I was still ahead of where i would be if I completed the CoS |
| 15:49.13 | Kraps | what is this, the deep south? |
| 15:49.27 | DWSR | sh eye knee |
| 15:49.36 | DWSR | anyway bbl |
| 15:49.47 | nevcairiel | usually dropping group is really not worth it, you end up with a 15min debuff, and in 25min you were done with CoS too |
| 15:49.50 | nevcairiel | now you're done in 15 |
| 15:50.45 | nevcairiel | 15-20 or so, anyway |
| 15:50.49 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 15:50.54 | Fisker | nvidia are evil :( |
| 15:50.59 | alestane | Dropping off shortly, if anyone cares I'll be at PAX East most of the weekend. |
| 15:51.20 | nevcairiel | Fisker: did they add my patch to block fiskers ? |
| 15:51.40 | Kraps | cool alestane |
| 15:51.54 | olafski | I drop group if I get HoR or HoL =) |
| 15:52.02 | olafski | other than that I don't really care |
| 15:52.13 | Kraps | hol's not so bad |
| 15:52.25 | olafski | indeed.. there's just something that makes me hate it |
| 15:52.27 | olafski | dunno what |
| 15:52.37 | olafski | but when I see that loading screen I'm like "come on load already so I can leave" |
| 15:53.16 | Ackis | now facebook is suggesting I become a fan of the US constitution... wtf? |
| 15:53.27 | nevcairiel | you better be! |
| 15:53.30 | nevcairiel | oh wait you're canadian |
| 15:53.37 | Ackis | exactly :P |
| 15:53.52 | Kraps | Ackis: are you some kind of Communist that hates this country? |
| 15:54.03 | Kraps | dont answer |
| 15:54.07 | Kraps | YOU ARE |
| 15:54.10 | Kraps | ARENT YOU |
| 15:54.22 | nicoli_s | no hes a canuck, even worse |
| 15:54.58 | Dashkal | ~lart nicoli_s |
| 15:54.58 | purl | sends a legion of lawyers after nicoli_s's head |
| 15:55.14 | Dashkal | ... |
| 15:55.16 | Dashkal | Irony... |
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| 15:55.46 | Kraps | why would you name your toon mcafee? |
| 15:55.49 | Ackis | Kraps: I'm not a Communist... |
| 15:56.00 | Kraps | sure you are! |
| 15:56.10 | nevcairiel | Kraps: because you're one of those people that just pick their toon names from the first thing they see |
| 15:56.28 | Kraps | you hate the US constitution Ackis |
| 15:56.33 | Ackis | my name came from a random name generator |
| 15:56.47 | nevcairiel | so did mine, but long before WoW already |
| 15:56.52 | olafski | http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/CanadaAckis/avatar-body.png <-- tell me this does NOT look like a communist |
| 15:56.53 | Kraps | nevcairiel: not me |
| 15:56.59 | Ackis | lol olafski |
| 15:57.02 | Ackis | nevcairiel: what game? |
| 15:57.09 | olafski | I generate my names by hand =) |
| 15:57.20 | nevcairiel | i think for diablo 2, or some browser game |
| 15:57.23 | nevcairiel | not sure anymore tbh |
| 15:57.38 | Ackis | mine came from Star Wars Galaxies lul |
| 15:58.04 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/when-right-can-be-wrong/4704 |
| 15:59.09 | olafski | http://i.imgur.com/KbMOC.jpg <-- hrhr |
| 15:59.22 | foxlit | Hey, awesome. |
| 15:59.42 | nevcairiel | i should print one of those signs :D |
| 15:59.52 | DWSR | olafski: it doesn't look like a communist |
| 15:59.57 | nevcairiel | although it might not be so funny in a programming dep :P |
| 16:00.09 | Lopeppeppy | I am bereft! |
| 16:00.14 | nevcairiel | sneaks up to HR and attaches it to the printer |
| 16:00.29 | cogwheel | we have that copier |
| 16:00.51 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: why? |
| 16:01.19 | DWSR | olafski: win |
| 16:01.32 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TuJHlJT8zY |
| 16:01.41 | mikma | now that's one freaky instrument at the start |
| 16:01.49 | DWSR | Mikk: Holy shit @ the number of people. |
| 16:02.15 | olafski | ah yeah I've seen one of those |
| 16:02.17 | olafski | funny instrument |
| 16:02.31 | mikma | afaik, made by the maestro himself |
| 16:02.37 | olafski | hm |
| 16:02.43 | olafski | well maybe something similar then :S |
| 16:02.44 | DWSR | mikma: Neat sounding, yes. |
| 16:02.50 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, alestane lefted me. |
| 16:02.52 | DWSR | But freaky, meh. |
| 16:02.55 | olafski | it was something where you hold your hands above it and it responds to where you hold them and how high |
| 16:03.02 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: If I right you will that make it better? |
| 16:03.15 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think I lean that direction. |
| 16:03.40 | foxlit | So my evil plan actually works. |
| 16:03.44 | DWSR | Alright. Just trying to help. |
| 16:03.55 | Lopeppeppy | I'll just slay him when he gets back. |
| 16:04.00 | Lopeppeppy | Murder is much more satisfying. |
| 16:04.21 | foxlit | And they still haven't patched the old one. |
| 16:04.37 | foxlit | Oversupply of evil plans :( |
| 16:05.17 | mikma | oh, i know what i will be doing for the next hours! |
| 16:05.25 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jCotM1m8yE , 1 -> 7 |
| 16:05.38 | DWSR | mikma: Neat tune, btw. |
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| 16:07.24 | mikma | can't remember it's name tho |
| 16:09.00 | DWSR | I love people that mock you when you offer to tank for a fee. |
| 16:09.11 | DWSR | Then 20 minutes later when they still haven't found a tank, they come crawling back |
| 16:09.16 | DWSR | I should have a stupid tax for those people. |
| 16:09.47 | Ackis | tanks your face for free. |
| 16:09.51 | Dashkal | No wonder I refuse to pug.. |
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| 16:10.07 | DWSR | Ackis: You're being played, imo. |
| 16:11.37 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/118.jpg |
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| 16:13.10 | cogwheel | station |
| 16:13.18 | foxlit | Hm, the latest sc2 patch is... interesting. |
| 16:13.38 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, cute baby puppy being eviscerated by the kitten! |
| 16:14.46 | nicoli_s | i know foxlit, bunch of buffs and nerfs across the board |
| 16:16.05 | DWSR | It looks like that cat is shitting into a sock. |
| 16:16.31 | DWSR | Does anyone else see that? |
| 16:16.37 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:16.51 | Lopeppeppy | heya, lunessa |
| 16:16.54 | nicoli_s | nope DWSR |
| 16:16.59 | mikma | dwsr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHLOS_eFieY found it, Oxygene 10 |
| 16:19.12 | DWSR | Ah, thanks mikma. |
| 16:22.44 | Ackis | I have a wheat bag around my neck, a tensor bandage on my wrist, I look pretty gimped today at work lol |
| 16:23.18 | Kraps | wheat bag? |
| 16:23.30 | DWSR | He didn't want to say douchebag. |
| 16:24.44 | Ackis | Kraps: it has grain type thingies in it... you can freeze it or heat it up and it acts as a reusable cold pack/heat pack |
| 16:24.53 | Kraps | hmm |
| 16:25.00 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/3/26/ - final 2 words balloons are /creepy/. |
| 16:26.04 | Kraps | Lunessa: lol wtf |
| 16:27.22 | Lunessa | seriously. |
| 16:28.25 | Lopeppeppy | eew |
| 16:32.12 | Ackis | wot |
| 16:36.41 | DWSR | hehe |
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| 17:00.45 | industrial | Question: Is there software with which I can create frames visually? Optimally it would spit out lua code and not XML but I'm not making demands ^_^' |
| 17:01.15 | Ackis | http://twitpic.com/1b1z4a heh pax east line |
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| 17:01.18 | industrial | (in short, I'm rather lazy and would like to reload my interface less) |
| 17:01.50 | Fisker | Ackis industrial |
| 17:02.00 | industrial | FFFFFFUUUUUUUUuuuu |
| 17:02.13 | Ackis | wot |
| 17:05.58 | Fisker | hahaa! |
| 17:06.28 | Fisker | Fermi is 500% faster than HD5870! |
| 17:06.44 | DWSR | Rarer: The Insane vs. Scarab Lord |
| 17:07.05 | Fisker | The Insane likely |
| 17:07.42 | foxlit | Nah, multiple insane people in my guild, I think |
| 17:08.02 | Fisker | Thousands and thousands of scarab lords |
| 17:11.01 | Ackis | was close to The Insane |
| 17:11.26 | Ackis | Fisker: what time is i there right now? |
| 17:12.01 | Fisker | 6 pm |
| 17:12.11 | Fisker | so Ackis |
| 17:12.26 | Fisker | How do you respon to nvidia's cards being 500% faster than the competition? |
| 17:12.38 | Fisker | respond* |
| 17:12.49 | Ackis | I don't use ATI and haven't since the Mach 64 back in the 90s |
| 17:15.09 | Ackis | Fisker: will you be up in 6 hours? :D |
| 17:15.51 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:16.08 | Ackis | zomg I'm gonna harass you to play a game of DoW2 co-op with me! |
| 17:17.38 | Fisker | no |
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| 17:18.04 | Ackis | yes! |
| 17:19.59 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 17:19.59 | Fisker | ! |
| 17:20.18 | Ackis | wot? |
| 17:21.07 | Fisker | no |
| 17:24.30 | Ackis | yes |
| 17:26.18 | Fisker | no |
| 17:26.42 | Gagorian | Fiskers Fisker |
| 17:27.28 | DWSR | This sounds like a BDSM session |
| 17:27.48 | Gagorian | Oh it's worse |
| 17:28.17 | Fisker | i'm getting myself a fermi Gagorian |
| 17:29.41 | Cide | Fisker: what about HD5970? |
| 17:30.00 | Gagorian | I think we've established that, since you seem to jizz in your pants whenever you hear anything about Fermi |
| 17:30.35 | Fisker | why would i get that? |
| 17:30.46 | Cide | hm? |
| 17:31.14 | Fisker | fermi is almost 900% better than the HD5870 |
| 17:31.22 | DWSR | almost. |
| 17:31.26 | DWSR | Not quite 900% though |
| 17:31.31 | DWSR | Maybe like 899%. |
| 17:31.37 | Cide | Fisker: I asked about the HD5970, not 5870 |
| 17:31.42 | Cide | how does it compare_ |
| 17:31.43 | Fisker | i wish |
| 17:31.43 | Cide | ? |
| 17:31.44 | Fisker | it's 880% |
| 17:31.59 | Fisker | Cide is the HD5970 880% faster than the HD5870? |
| 17:32.07 | Cide | I have no clue |
| 17:32.31 | Dagmar | Of course! IT HAZ MOAR NUMBERZ! |
| 17:34.05 | Lunessa | ATI has good cards, but F their driver architecture. Those look bad ass, but I'm not getting one. |
| 17:34.29 | Fisker | the nvidia cards? |
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| 17:34.36 | Dagmar | Same here. I know people who are happy with their ATI card, but I'm happier not having to spend days f**king with drivers |
| 17:34.37 | Lunessa | The ATI cards |
| 17:34.43 | Fisker | saem |
| 17:34.54 | Fisker | if GTX480 isn't good enough, i'll just have to wait for the refresh |
| 17:35.13 | Lunessa | The last three ATI products jacked up things bad enough that I nspent all day removing the damage. |
| 17:38.30 | Ackis | ATI still has shitty drivers? |
| 17:38.36 | Fisker | they never had good drivers |
| 17:38.53 | Dagmar | On Linux, absolutley. On Windows they're slightly better than what they used to be, from what little I've seen |
| 17:39.23 | Gagorian | I haven't had any issues with the windows drivers in the last year |
| 17:40.22 | Dagmar | Some of the issues the three problem cases I've seen can probably be directly blamed on weirdness in Windows 7's ability to handle file locks properly |
| 17:41.40 | Lunessa | Every ATI card I've used lately (save the one built into my iMac) has frequently "stopped responding" and forced reboots. Frankly I got sick of it and went back to nVidia for stability more than anything else. |
| 17:41.47 | Dagmar | It's *super* cool to do a driver install, watch things fail, note the state of the drivers directory, do the install again and see files change |
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| 17:52.44 | Lunessa | The only ATI product I really like is their USB video capture/tv/cable tuner product. And even then the drivers cause me all kinds of hell. |
| 17:53.01 | DWSR | Lunessa: So basically, what you're saying. |
| 17:53.13 | DWSR | Is that it hurts so good to use ATI? |
| 17:53.40 | Lopeppeppy | BRB. |
| 17:54.05 | Lunessa | DWSR: No, I'm saying.... It burns us, and causes the bleeding. It's not "so good" - it's OMG MAKE IT STOP! |
| 17:54.21 | Cairenn|afk | for those of you who remember her, and were aware of her impending expansion - Rislyn delivered her little sweet little bundle of joy |
| 17:54.51 | DWSR | Congrats to her. :D |
| 17:54.56 | Lunessa | :D I've been checking the pictures Cairenn. |
| 17:55.05 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 17:55.53 | Ackis | http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/54.jpg |
| 17:56.14 | Ackis | I think I have a new desktop wallpaper! |
| 17:56.17 | DWSR | rofl |
| 17:56.23 | Cairenn|afk | that is cute, Ackis |
| 17:56.46 | Ackis | I require cute wallpapers |
| 17:57.00 | Ackis | so when I realize I work in a hell hole, I just windowskey-D and smile |
| 17:57.10 | Lunessa | And the 11th commandment reads thusly, "Thou shalt make tiny furniture for thy pets, and it shall be posted on the internet." |
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| 17:58.16 | Dagmar | ffs why does mysql make it so damn hard to find source |
| 17:58.56 | Shirik | Because they'd rather you use oracle :P |
| 17:59.13 | DWSR | amen |
| 17:59.39 | Lunessa | Oracle, please god, no. |
| 17:59.59 | Dagmar | I think I'd rather chew off my arm than refactor all this stuff |
| 18:00.53 | nevcairiel | thats why you abstract that stuff from the beginning! |
| 18:02.11 | Dagmar | I'm talking about just the build harness and environment |
| 18:02.13 | Shirik | made an entire framework for that purpose, despite the fact that it's been done before |
| 18:02.32 | Dagmar | I have the build of MySQL I use for MythTV here _really_ strapped down |
| 18:03.52 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/474935365 |
| 18:05.52 | Shirik | Adys |
| 18:05.58 | Shirik | I told you this before |
| 18:06.00 | Adys | dont fucking click it |
| 18:06.01 | Shirik | stop linking unfunny shit |
| 18:06.25 | nevcairiel | its only unfunyn when you dont have an imagination to fill in the other panels! |
| 18:06.42 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel |
| 18:06.52 | Fisker | did you see that the Fermi performs 880% better than HD5870? |
| 18:07.29 | nevcairiel | link or it didnt happen |
| 18:07.36 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Wouldn't need imagination if it wasn't stripped out in the first place |
| 18:08.17 | Fisker | http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4261/metro1.jpg <-500%! |
| 18:08.24 | Fisker | http://i44.tinypic.com/25qw2lc.jpg <-880% |
| 18:08.25 | Fisker | :P |
| 18:09.42 | Ackis | what's a Fermi? |
| 18:09.45 | nevcairiel | the 880 is probably caused by the ati card running out of memory :P |
| 18:09.58 | Fisker | i know |
| 18:10.02 | Fisker | but it's fun! |
| 18:10.13 | Fisker | Still ok benchmarks the rest of the way |
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| 18:15.23 | Ackis | dodges a bullet |
| 18:15.33 | Ackis | I almost made a comment on a discussion page on wikipedia! |
| 18:16.18 | Fisker | dodged a bullet after taking a mortar to the head |
| 18:17.24 | Adys | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/next-steps-for-our-experimental-fiber.html |
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| 18:23.22 | Ackis | Shirik: it seems every article I read on WP has a disclaimer of "this article is bad because of x y z pls fix"... Is that common, or is it just "my luck"? |
| 18:23.34 | Shirik | your luck probably |
| 18:24.08 | Shirik | most of the articles I go to are good, and none of the articles I've edited have ever had a message like that after I edited them |
| 18:24.26 | Shirik | are you going to computer science articles? Computer science articles generally do need some work |
| 18:25.17 | Kaso | alot of articles have the warnings because its easier to tag articles than actually contribute and help wikipedia, so you have reams of people going around tagging and few actually improving |
| 18:25.18 | Kaso | (imo at least) |
| 18:25.28 | Ackis | not CS related directly, these have been in the realm of data analytics/auditting |
| 18:26.15 | Dagmar | So, a field dominated by the anal-retentive? |
| 18:26.26 | Shirik | Kaso: Perhaps :P |
| 18:26.27 | Dagmar | ...and they had a minor problem with the article. |
| 18:26.30 | Dagmar | Imagine that. |
| 18:26.32 | Ackis | lol |
| 18:26.34 | industrial | ~seen tekkub |
| 18:26.35 | purl | tekkub <~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 18h 36m 34s ago, saying: 'tekkub'. |
| 18:26.42 | Ackis | ~Dagmar++ |
| 18:27.30 | Shirik | actually, Ackis, there's been discussion about this recently |
| 18:27.41 | Shirik | the argument that the tags are too overbearing and are like "OMG FIX THIS" |
| 18:27.51 | Shirik | some are advocating they be plaed at the bottom or on the talk page |
| 18:28.36 | Ackis | then they'd be ignored even more than they are now I guess heh, but it's not like the tag is going to make me fix the article |
| 18:28.47 | Ackis | I'm not going to go through someone elses work and cite references for example |
| 18:29.17 | Fisker | lol |
| 18:29.22 | Shirik | technically, then anything you add should be removed |
| 18:29.24 | Fisker | 480 beats 5970 in a bench |
| 18:29.29 | Dagmar | I don't think you understand how education works. |
| 18:29.44 | Dagmar | When you write a paper, every single word must be blamed on someone else. |
| 18:30.05 | Shirik | Article I wrote, reviewed as a "good article": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_weaver |
| 18:30.12 | Dagmar | Any original thought you might have must have been echoed by someone else in the past, or you are considered wrong. |
| 18:30.12 | Shirik | Ignoring the lead, look at how many sentences have references |
| 18:30.15 | Ackis | I thought I contributed before but it says no account exists so maybe I've never contributed before heh |
| 18:30.15 | Shirik | that's how it's supposed to be done |
| 18:31.08 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/35202/design-amulet-of-flowing-life/ |
| 18:31.20 | Adys | I need people testing this on safari and chrome on as many OS as you have |
| 18:31.35 | Adys | anyone seeing some weird two-column layout in the tooltip? |
| 18:31.51 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 18:32.14 | Adys | particularly I need someone with safari-windows, chrome-windows and chrome-linux |
| 18:32.17 | Dagmar | latest Firefox seems to handle it fine |
| 18:32.23 | Adys | ya firefox has it fine |
| 18:32.57 | Dagmar | Chrome on the other hand... "Requires\nMercurial" on the right of "Amulet of Flowing Life" (purple) |
| 18:33.10 | Adys | OS? |
| 18:33.14 | Dagmar | Windows 7 |
| 18:33.18 | Adys | thanks |
| 18:33.21 | Dagmar | No problem |
| 18:34.00 | Adys | Dagmar: can you paste your UA? it's in about: |
| 18:34.19 | Dagmar | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/4.1.249.1036 Safari/532.5 |
| 18:34.58 | Ackis | Adys: it doesn't render very well on one of my browsers |
| 18:35.02 | Ackis | IE6 on Win XP |
| 18:35.07 | Ackis | snickers. |
| 18:35.31 | Adys | Dont suppose anyone has chromium? |
| 18:36.53 | Adys | nm confirmed on chromium as well |
| 18:37.06 | Adys | jnwhiteh: dont suppose i can steal you for a test on safari? |
| 18:37.07 | Ackis | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audit_Command_Language <-- is that page considered "good"? |
| 18:37.35 | Shirik | An unassessed article from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 18:37.43 | Shirik | I'll assess it :P |
| 18:38.47 | Ackis | where do you see unassessed on the page? |
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| 18:40.05 | Shirik | Ackis: An extension, but you can tell by going to the talk page |
| 18:40.17 | Shirik | oh it's not even part of a project |
| 18:40.30 | Shirik | see when you go to [[Aspect Weaver]] you see it's part of several projects and their assessment is inside |
| 18:41.27 | Ackis | ah ok |
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| 18:42.40 | Shirik | Ackis: That page is actually dangerously close to being deleted |
| 18:43.19 | Ackis | the only thing valuable on it was the links elsewhere for me |
| 18:43.23 | Cide | me too |
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| 18:43.36 | Lunessa | Adys: I can hit up Safari on Mac OSX if you need. |
| 18:43.39 | Cide | I'm also dangerously close to being deleted |
| 18:44.29 | Lunessa | Adys: Looks fine. No extra bits or formatting code. |
| 18:44.30 | Adys | Lunessa: go ahead |
| 18:44.33 | Adys | thanks |
| 18:44.41 | Adys | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=39497 |
| 18:45.31 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: reference 2 is epic |
| 18:45.42 | Shirik | already saw it and am removing it |
| 18:45.55 | Shirik | trying to get the article marked with a (very crappy) assessment |
| 18:46.41 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 18:46.42 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 18:46.54 | Adys | why so out of date |
| 18:49.57 | Shirik | jesus christ Arrowmaster |
| 18:50.00 | Shirik | that was added by a sysop |
| 18:50.03 | Shirik | I should yell at him |
| 18:50.15 | Arrowmaster | what was? the reference? |
| 18:50.38 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:50.40 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ACL_(software)&diff=350833105&oldid=350830059 |
| 18:52.45 | Arrowmaster | well hes got an MBA degree you cant be too hard on him |
| 18:53.58 | Dagmar | ....but, he "put quotes" around the questionable material |
| 18:54.08 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: But, the 80s and 90s taught us that MBA = BMW and Mo' Money! |
| 18:54.28 | Dagmar | ...so it's not _really_ an unqualified endorsement, he's just quoting one. |
| 18:55.17 | Fisker | Shirik my man |
| 18:55.20 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: and the 2000's taught us that you have to be very careful with people that have MBA's because theyre 'special' |
| 18:55.33 | Shirik | you don't reference Wikipedia from Wikipedia, ever, unless you are specifically talking about the page itself |
| 18:55.45 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Which is my I don't have an MBA. |
| 18:56.01 | Dagmar | Well, apparently you do if you're trying to not be obvious that you're blatantly flogging a product |
| 18:56.24 | Shirik | heh |
| 18:56.25 | Arrowmaster | wouldnt be shocked if the guy worked for the company |
| 18:56.34 | Dagmar | What I like is that he cited a diff. |
| 18:56.42 | Arrowmaster | since it says hes an expert in the language but nothing else |
| 18:56.47 | Dagmar | That's the bit that lets you know he spent a lot of money on that MBA. |
| 18:57.30 | Shirik | meh |
| 18:57.39 | Shirik | Ackis: Here I'll flood it with tags for you if it makes you happy :) |
| 18:57.55 | Ackis | lol :P |
| 18:59.18 | Dagmar | I should add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Four_auditors to my own page |
| 18:59.38 | Shirik | but I'm nice, Ackis, I group it into one :) |
| 18:59.51 | foxlit | Shirik: that is awesome. |
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| 19:00.03 | foxlit | It literarily references *itself*. |
| 19:00.06 | Ackis | Shirik: it'd amuse me more than anything :P |
| 19:00.10 | Kraps | Passover starts monday night /randominfo |
| 19:00.15 | Shirik | yup foxlit |
| 19:00.15 | foxlit | "We're awesome [see here where we said we're awesome]" |
| 19:04.58 | kd3 | hm... a patch to tweak SpelLShapeshiftForm.dbc and the male belf model |
| 19:05.56 | Arrowmaster | those zany aussies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Information_Technology |
| 19:07.08 | nevcairiel | kd3: belfs had some issue, they mentioned that in known issues |
| 19:07.22 | Dagmar | I think everyone's getting to login twice |
| 19:07.23 | kd3 | shoulders weren't attached to the model properly iirc |
| 19:07.40 | Shirik | male belfs don't deserve attention anyway |
| 19:07.47 | Kraps | Doctor of Philosophy, abbreviated PhD or DPhil |
| 19:07.54 | Kraps | ok 2 things |
| 19:08.02 | Kraps | thats all a phd is? |
| 19:08.02 | DWSR | Doctor Phil rofl |
| 19:08.10 | Kraps | DR PHIL |
| 19:08.15 | DWSR | no |
| 19:08.21 | DWSR | PhD stands for Physical Doctorate, I thought. |
| 19:08.23 | Fisker | doctor who |
| 19:08.29 | Shirik | doctor me |
| 19:09.01 | Kraps | oic |
| 19:09.09 | Kraps | In the United States, the PhD degree is the highest academic degree awarded by universities in most fields of study. |
| 19:10.32 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:10.44 | Ackis | lol http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AACL_%28software%29&action=historysubmit&diff=352201704&oldid=350833756 |
| 19:10.45 | Shirik | I considered getting a PhD |
| 19:10.55 | Kraps | in what? |
| 19:10.56 | Shirik | then I realized I didn't want to be like my dad |
| 19:11.00 | Shirik | computer science |
| 19:11.36 | Ackis | I want to get mine, but I doubt I ever will |
| 19:11.41 | Ackis | useless in the business world |
| 19:11.53 | Shirik | I already have a stable job, I want to get out of school |
| 19:12.01 | Shirik | I will make a good amount of money |
| 19:12.02 | Shirik | etc. |
| 19:13.18 | Thunder_Child | it's not about the money Shirik |
| 19:13.25 | Arrowmaster | personally i dont even think a bachelor's is that useful for the IT field |
| 19:13.28 | Shirik | I love what I'm doing too |
| 19:13.31 | Shirik | and the area |
| 19:13.55 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: IT, yes. Software engineering, I would like to see a master's from anyone that works with me |
| 19:14.00 | Shirik | I don't even trust a bachelor's |
| 19:14.42 | Ackis | I have my master's would you trust me? :P |
| 19:14.43 | Arrowmaster | but im probably going to have to get a bachelors to even get considered for a job |
| 19:14.52 | Dagmar | Colleges with up-to-date curriculum are *not* that easy to come by |
| 19:15.11 | Arrowmaster | hell most people dont even have degrees in their line of work but instead in some other completely unrelated field |
| 19:15.24 | Shirik | it's not about up-to-date, it's just that I feel that people that self-taught themselves and that have bachelors in computer science/software engineering DON'T understand safety-critical aspects |
| 19:15.30 | Shirik | because that's generally not considered at that level |
| 19:15.33 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Ther'es always the geeksploitation route |
| 19:15.41 | Lunessa | I'm in IT, I have a degree in religious studies. |
| 19:15.45 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: colleges that treat IT as more than just 'programming' are also not that hard to come by |
| 19:15.48 | Dagmar | You take a shit job and build experience in a working environment |
| 19:15.53 | Shirik | I trust them to know what they're doing, but I don't trust them to know how to know that they know what they're doing |
| 19:16.35 | Dagmar | You'd be overlooking a whole bunch of people |
| 19:16.39 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: what level of degree? |
| 19:16.43 | Dagmar | IMHO it's the goddamn MCSEs that are dangerous |
| 19:16.44 | Lunessa | BA |
| 19:16.54 | Shirik | MCSE? |
| 19:16.54 | Dagmar | They _think_ they know something. |
| 19:17.00 | Lunessa | Shirik: No. |
| 19:17.16 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:17.19 | Shirik | that's the microsoft cert thing |
| 19:17.20 | Shirik | yeah? |
| 19:17.21 | Lunessa | I don't have an MCSE or a CNA. |
| 19:17.23 | Ackis | Dagmar: A+ > all! |
| 19:17.25 | Dagmar | There's plenty of self-educated people out there who have the good sense to be cautious and research whatever they've got doubts about |
| 19:17.41 | Shirik | best buy once told me I had to get an A+ cert or I'd be fired |
| 19:17.45 | Shirik | I laughed |
| 19:17.50 | Shirik | and then they never even went through with it |
| 19:18.23 | Arrowmaster | the best are the ones with MA in religious/philosophy/literature that are in the IT industry and are just 'i have a masters degree' |
| 19:18.27 | Ackis | FutureShit refused to hire me because I didn't have A+ |
| 19:19.09 | Ackis | I even applied to best buy recently for shits and giggles to see if I could get parttime weekend job and didn't get a call back lol I guess A+ > CISSP + Bachelor's + Masters |
| 19:19.24 | Dagmar | Ackis: That's because they're not being paid to think |
| 19:19.29 | Arrowmaster | i got my A+ the other year because i was told CompTIA was considering moving to a renewal system but anybody that got the current ones would have lifetime certifications |
| 19:19.48 | Dagmar | 20yrs exp making ducking fesktops work, and BB wouldn't hire me because I'm too uninterested to get an A+ |
| 19:19.58 | Dagmar | ...not that I would work for them. |
| 19:20.01 | Dagmar | Ever. |
| 19:20.06 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: A+ was the first designation I saw that didn't require CPE's of some sort =/ |
| 19:20.09 | Shirik | Wait really? |
| 19:20.14 | Shirik | They finally went through and forced A+ on everyone? |
| 19:20.24 | Shirik | (I left BB over 5 years ago so...) |
| 19:20.51 | Arrowmaster | i think A+ is kinda a standard requirement now, its such a joke of a test |
| 19:21.15 | Dagmar | Most people who have been fixing their own equipment for a decade or so can take the thing cold and ace it |
| 19:21.20 | Shirik | omg when I was reviewing their employee training for the test, it had things in there like AT desktop systems |
| 19:21.29 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 19:21.29 | Shirik | and I was like "If I ever see an AT desktop I will buy the guy a new computer" |
| 19:21.44 | Dagmar | Three-quarters of the test are completely pointless. |
| 19:21.47 | Dagmar | Net+ isn't much different. |
| 19:21.55 | Dagmar | Not a single goddamn question about CIDR. |
| 19:22.01 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: A+ isnt updated that often |
| 19:22.15 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: CIDR wasnt even on the CCNA until 2004 |
| 19:22.32 | Thunder_Child | ~burp |
| 19:22.33 | purl | ACTION burps loudly |
| 19:22.47 | DWSR | wait wait wait. |
| 19:22.49 | Arrowmaster | i still need to take Net+ and Security+ |
| 19:23.06 | DWSR | So you're saying that I could go get a job at FutureShit by going to pass 1 test that I could probably take in 15 minutes? |
| 19:23.16 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Being that I've never seen anyone on a public network use a netmask that wasn't contiguous 1's followed by contiguous zeroes, it's damn stupid to be referring to classed networks anymore when that was abandoned before 2000 |
| 19:23.21 | Arrowmaster | its been 6+ years since i took CCNA classes and im not getting that cert until i have a job that needs it |
| 19:23.28 | Dagmar | DWSR: Actually yes. |
| 19:23.37 | DWSR | Dagmar: People need to stop failing so hard at life. |
| 19:23.40 | DWSR | like, srsly. |
| 19:24.18 | DWSR | What's on the A+ test, anyway? |
| 19:24.24 | Lunessa | Life is full of fail. |
| 19:24.25 | Arrowmaster | you dont want to know |
| 19:24.26 | Shirik | 20 year old hardware |
| 19:24.28 | Arrowmaster | seriously |
| 19:24.48 | Lunessa | Shirik: If it's full of 20 year old hardware, then I'd ace it. |
| 19:24.48 | Shirik | It's not even relevant to geek squad |
| 19:24.59 | Arrowmaster | although they were supposed to update it after i took it to include stuff about vista and remove the DOS stuff |
| 19:25.09 | Dagmar | Lunessa: How many pins on a Pentium 3 socket? |
| 19:25.15 | Shirik | geek squad is "Does the computer work? If not, wipe the drive and reinstall OS. If still not, send to service center." |
| 19:25.31 | DWSR | Shirik: Holy shit no kidding? |
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| 19:25.43 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Fuck, 130-something? I don't care? |
| 19:25.45 | DWSR | Shirik: Dude, it just asked me about single ended SCSI systems. |
| 19:25.52 | Arrowmaster | geek squad isnt even staffed by techs anymore, they are just sales associates |
| 19:25.53 | Shirik | I wasn't kidding |
| 19:26.04 | Dagmar | dwsr: Thanks to the current state of malware and Vista, it's barely worth bothering now |
| 19:26.19 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 19:26.20 | Dagmar | Lunessa: "Close enough! You pass!" |
| 19:26.25 | DWSR | User Maria calls you to complain that her system is totally dead today. It was working fine when she left the last evening. Which of the following must you check first? |
| 19:26.25 | Shirik | When I was getting ready for the test, _I_ had to study for it, because a lot of the questions were stuff created when I was like 2 years old |
| 19:26.30 | DWSR | The ideal way to troubleshoot this issue is to begin troubleshooting from the AC power outlet and progress towards the computer's inlet for AC power. Also check the intermediate connectivity, which is the power cord. |
| 19:26.38 | Lunessa | Actually, here that's largely what we do for Malware infections. Scram the drive and reimage. |
| 19:26.46 | DWSR | CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHOSE HOUSE HAS WIRING PROBLEMS THAT MANIFEST THEMSELF IN A SINGLE OUTLET? |
| 19:26.48 | Dagmar | There's little point in figuring out what's wrong with it, since unless you already _know_ it takes less time to nuke the drive and reinstall the OS |
| 19:26.51 | Shirik | And while many people think I was somehow born with all technical knowledge about computers, I actually wasn't taking this stuff apart when I was 2 |
| 19:27.06 | Shirik | however my parents recently informed me that I took apart a radio when I was 5 |
| 19:27.08 | Dagmar | DWSR: Anyone who's had lightning strike, or who had hillbillies doing their wiring |
| 19:27.18 | DWSR | Dagmar: A *single* outlet? |
| 19:27.21 | Arrowmaster | speaking of old systems, my friend got a free $1000 processor from intel plus the mobo for it at a sponsored lan party, they had a contest to see who could assemble a computer the fastest and have it boot properly |
| 19:27.27 | Lunessa | Shirik: I've been doing IT work since 1985. |
| 19:27.27 | DWSR | Dagmar: Lightning strikes usually fry multiple outlets. |
| 19:27.28 | Arrowmaster | it was an old AT system |
| 19:27.33 | Shirik | Lunessa: I was -2 then! |
| 19:27.34 | Dagmar | dwsr: yes. If it's only one port, get your lazy ass to the hardware store and buy a replacement |
| 19:27.43 | DWSR | rofl |
| 19:27.45 | Lopeppeppy | is now very scared. |
| 19:27.55 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: see twitter :P |
| 19:28.05 | DWSR | Your client's computer refuses to connect to the network. You observe the NIC light is not ON and then use a different cable. What should you do next? |
| 19:28.05 | Lopeppeppy | The elders of the internet have spoken. |
| 19:28.12 | DWSR | Seriously?\ |
| 19:28.15 | DWSR | This is a fucking question? |
| 19:28.17 | Dagmar | DWSR: Not necessarily I've personally had a UPS start hollering because it could no longer sustain the load we were placing on it after lightning struck 45m ago and melted some wires. The outlet was only providing ~60vac somehow |
| 19:28.24 | Lunessa | Shirik: I'm about to celebrate the big 40. I'm not shocked that you were 2 then. :P |
| 19:28.32 | Dagmar | dwsr: What part of "stupidly easy" confuses you |
| 19:28.37 | Dagmar | THis is why I _refuse_ to take the A+ |
| 19:28.38 | Shirik | no Lunessa |
| 19:28.39 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: yeah a lot of the A+ stuff is just simple 'where to begin troubleshooting' stuff |
| 19:28.40 | Shirik | -2 |
| 19:28.41 | Shirik | not 2 |
| 19:28.42 | Dagmar | I could write better on the first attempt |
| 19:28.44 | Ackis | Mr. Lunessa may I go to the washroom please? |
| 19:28.54 | DWSR | I should take this shit. |
| 19:29.00 | DWSR | I don't even know if it's valid in my country. |
| 19:29.05 | Shirik | Ackis |
| 19:29.09 | Shirik | we will not tolerate your frenchiness here |
| 19:29.16 | Shirik | we call it a bathroom or restroom |
| 19:29.19 | Shirik | not a "washroom" |
| 19:29.19 | Ackis | :P |
| 19:29.30 | Ackis | all three are valid here |
| 19:29.34 | Shirik | negative |
| 19:29.40 | Dagmar | Also, the testing facility here doesn't like me anymore |
| 19:29.53 | Arrowmaster | what did you do to them? |
| 19:29.56 | Ackis | oh, here's a question: is the light switch inside the room or outside of the room? :P |
| 19:30.06 | Shirik | hacked the computers on which he was taking the test, most likely |
| 19:30.09 | Dagmar | The last time I went there for a test I didn't care for, they were rude to me and I asked them about the licencing for the software on their machines. |
| 19:30.15 | Dagmar | ...which I know to be 100% pirated. |
| 19:30.23 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:30.30 | Dagmar | I have a serious problem with a place doing that. |
| 19:30.43 | DWSR | Yeah, I don't blame you. I would too. |
| 19:31.03 | Adys | !api getbattlefield |
| 19:31.32 | Lunessa | Ackis: .... Ewww. No one has called me "Mr" since I was a teacher. |
| 19:32.40 | Ackis | I just took a practice test and was like /facepalm after question 10 |
| 19:32.48 | Ackis | how many pins did SIMMS come in |
| 19:32.54 | Kraps | i have a female belf rogue and i dont know why |
| 19:32.57 | Ackis | how many pins does a VGA connector have |
| 19:32.58 | Dagmar | Two people I know worked there and I applied for a job there about eight years ago when I first got back from SF. They gave me the runaround, and I actually turned *them* down once I found out about the piracy |
| 19:33.03 | Dagmar | Ackis: DB15. |
| 19:33.18 | Dagmar | Oh nevermind |
| 19:33.45 | Ackis | I closed the test when it started asking me about SCSI |
| 19:34.00 | nevcairiel | number of pins on scsi, eh? :D |
| 19:34.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah that should be removed, nobody uses SCSI anymore |
| 19:34.13 | Ackis | number of devices you can use |
| 19:34.15 | Arrowmaster | its SATA or SAS |
| 19:34.20 | Dagmar | I've watched a lot of places fail spectactularly--to the point where I've almost become an expert on what makes companies fail, but I've _yet_ to see a place get swarmed by BSA auditors and I've no intention of seeing it either. |
| 19:34.27 | nevcairiel | i am thinking about getting a sas controller |
| 19:34.32 | Ackis | they asked me how many devices you can have on a USB host thingy |
| 19:34.38 | nevcairiel | basically just because sata-raid controller are even more expensive :p |
| 19:34.45 | Dagmar | Ackis: The real answer is useless |
| 19:34.50 | nevcairiel | wtf kind of job is that? |
| 19:34.59 | Dagmar | In practice it's "more than any sane person will have on their desk" |
| 19:35.00 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: SAS is more expensive than SATA |
| 19:35.07 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: the controllers are not |
| 19:35.11 | Ackis | Dagmar: yup, and how useful is knowing the pin sizes of SIMMS? when was the last time you used a SIMM? |
| 19:35.24 | nevcairiel | can get a 8 port SAS cheaper then a 8 port SATA-RAID |
| 19:35.24 | Dagmar | 98 I think |
| 19:35.37 | Ackis | Dagmar: 30 and 72 |
| 19:35.43 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: the ones ive priced are, although you can use splitters to put more devices on a small SAS controller but the problem is you still have a low amount of throughput |
| 19:36.06 | Lunessa | . ... um... last time I used a SIMM - more than 10 years ago. |
| 19:36.15 | Arrowmaster | when i was pricing 8 port SAS vs 8 port SATA the SAS was more expensive |
| 19:36.25 | Dagmar | Ackis: So long ago I damn well don't atually remember. I last stuck 30 pin SIMMS in a SoundBlaster AWE32 card. |
| 19:36.35 | Dagmar | 72pin SIMMs I last stuck in an old firewall |
| 19:36.44 | nevcairiel | I'm looking to grab a Dell PERC 5/i or 6/i of ebay now, sometimes you get a real bargain there |
| 19:36.47 | Ackis | Dagmar: haha I was remembering my AWE32 as well |
| 19:36.53 | Dagmar | ...with an AMD 5x86 DX4-100 in it |
| 19:37.06 | Ackis | good ole days |
| 19:37.12 | Ackis | remember the 387's? :D |
| 19:37.15 | Dagmar | SAS is more expensive because it's datacenter stuff. |
| 19:37.29 | Dagmar | Just like you pay extra money for anything that lies flat and is nineteen inches wide. |
| 19:37.34 | nevcairiel | the drives sure are, but the (small) controllers are not |
| 19:37.34 | Arrowmaster | i really wish there were more high quality but low feature controller cards, like a PCI-e x8 SAS controller with enough ports to max out the available throughput but no raid features |
| 19:37.39 | Dagmar | If it goes in a rack, the price doubles. |
| 19:37.58 | Dagmar | Ackis: Yes, I do actually |
| 19:38.10 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: dell has controllers without raid features, but i think only 8 native ports, unless you use a multiplexer of course |
| 19:38.18 | Dagmar | 386's and their co-processors without which many things ran like shit |
| 19:38.30 | Ackis | was it 8086/8088 or 80086/80088? |
| 19:38.34 | Dagmar | ...then the 486 "SX" |
| 19:38.46 | Ackis | SX, DX, DX2, DX4 |
| 19:38.48 | Dagmar | ...which unsuprisingly also ran like crap without the wietek chip |
| 19:38.50 | Arrowmaster | has more old hardware than anybody wants to know about |
| 19:38.57 | nevcairiel | 8086/8088 .. they added the extra digit in the later series |
| 19:39.17 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I got rid of my 5 1/4" floppy on wednesday :( |
| 19:39.33 | Arrowmaster | still have some |
| 19:39.43 | Dagmar | I had some 8" floppies but someone stole them |
| 19:39.51 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: *chuckle* Need an ISDN adapter? Or a gen 1 USB CD burner (2x!) |
| 19:39.52 | nevcairiel | i still have my 8086 somewhere in the attic |
| 19:39.54 | Arrowmaster | ive actually never seen an 8" |
| 19:39.57 | Ackis | I stopped hooking it up when I raged and broke the floppy cable |
| 19:40.05 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: THye're great for pulling out if someone's on LSD |
| 19:40.11 | Shirik | lua> 80*.6 + 60 * .2 + 98 * .2 |
| 19:40.20 | Ackis | my current PC is my first PC w/o a floppy drive... I'm a bit upset tbh |
| 19:40.23 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:40.29 | Shirik | --> 80*.6 + 60 * .2 + 98 * .2 |
| 19:40.29 | batbot | Shirik: > 79.6 |
| 19:40.32 | nevcairiel | i dropped the floppy drive a few years ago |
| 19:40.33 | Dagmar | Ackis: Don't be |
| 19:40.33 | Shirik | ok something's wrong here |
| 19:40.35 | nevcairiel | screw that medium |
| 19:40.39 | Adys | SHADOWED |
| 19:40.40 | Adys | OMG |
| 19:40.40 | Arrowmaster | ive got a 'laptop' that takes 3.5" single density floppies |
| 19:40.40 | Adys | PING |
| 19:40.41 | Thunder_Child | fail Ackis |
| 19:40.46 | Ackis | my goal in life was to get all my drives from A -> Z filled up |
| 19:40.48 | Adys | hey shadowed isnt here |
| 19:40.48 | Adys | :( |
| 19:40.53 | Arrowmaster | the laptop also has a builtin printer |
| 19:40.55 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: one of those non-portable ones ? :d |
| 19:40.57 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: By 'laptop' do you mean desktop replacement? :P |
| 19:40.59 | foxlit | java/javac are annoying |
| 19:40.59 | Dagmar | It's time to get rid of floppies since BIOS can now generally flash itself from a thumbdrive without needing to even boot the thumbdrive |
| 19:41.02 | Arrowmaster | but no harddrive |
| 19:41.09 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: yes |
| 19:41.12 | Thunder_Child | Adys: Shirik banned him |
| 19:41.14 | DWSR | foxlit: java is* annoying <- fixt. |
| 19:41.26 | Arrowmaster | its got like an 80x25 character lcd screen on it |
| 19:41.27 | Ackis | also threw out a 1.6 and 1.8 gig hard drive :( |
| 19:41.29 | foxlit | (a) You have to compile things (b) They use different ways to specify what you want to compile/run |
| 19:41.34 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: indeed, thats a feature i really liked in my new systems |
| 19:41.42 | foxlit | How do I wipe all the .class files in a package structure? |
| 19:42.16 | Dagmar | nevcariel: I just finally updated the BIOS on my desktop at home, because I'd heard that it sorted the S3 hibernate issue with Win7 64-bit. I was misled. |
| 19:42.28 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i dont even make CDs anymore, boot from thumbdrive |
| 19:42.29 | DWSR | foxlit: s/structure/package/? |
| 19:42.41 | Dagmar | it was definitely nice to not have to do some arcane dance with FreeDOS images and the cd burner |
| 19:42.57 | nevcairiel | yeah my previous board already allowed it |
| 19:42.58 | foxlit | DWSR: nah, the nested directory structure caused by packages |
| 19:42.58 | nevcairiel | was nice |
| 19:43.08 | DWSR | foxlit: Oh, I don |
| 19:43.10 | DWSR | don't know* |
| 19:43.20 | DWSR | I use Eclipse for everything and it takes care of that stuff. |
| 19:43.24 | DWSR | I can't deal with just java/javac. |
| 19:44.23 | DWSR | foxlit: You could try ##java, but they're a bunch of douchebags. |
| 19:44.42 | Ackis | is a douchebag. |
| 19:44.45 | NeoTron | it's so funny to think back to my awesome 20 MB harddrive I had for my Amiga 1000 |
| 19:44.47 | Ackis | anyone here play with Asus Expressgate? |
| 19:44.54 | DWSR | ahahahahaha |
| 19:45.00 | DWSR | Ackis: I'm sorry for your troubles. |
| 19:45.26 | Ackis | you're not a fan of it? |
| 19:45.32 | DWSR | s/it/Asus/\ |
| 19:45.40 | Ackis | ah |
| 19:45.42 | DWSR | well, their support, anyway. |
| 19:45.53 | DWSR | Their lower end mobos are pretty good for the pricepoint. |
| 19:45.57 | DWSR | Wouldn't get it for real highend stuff though |
| 19:46.00 | Ackis | oh their support is shit |
| 19:46.08 | Arrowmaster | i got one of their highend boards |
| 19:46.11 | Ackis | I've been with Asus since the P2B |
| 19:46.30 | Ackis | I'm now on the P6B keke |
| 19:46.33 | Ackis | err P6T |
| 19:46.38 | Arrowmaster | ive got 7 PCI-e2 16x slots |
| 19:47.05 | Arrowmaster | P6T7 |
| 19:47.10 | Dagmar | M2N68-AM and several other ASRock boards here |
| 19:47.25 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: that expressgate is just some minimal version of windows or something right? |
| 19:47.37 | DWSR | I have a P5N |
| 19:47.37 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: it's a flash OS, instant boot |
| 19:47.39 | Arrowmaster | and it has to install on a windows partition right? |
| 19:47.40 | Dagmar | I still think it's funny that they spun off ASRock and ASRock promptly started outselling them |
| 19:47.42 | DWSR | Been a nice little board, actually. |
| 19:47.48 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: there is no flash on the board |
| 19:48.07 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: on cheaper boards yes, the main drive, on more advanced boards it's on the chip itself |
| 19:48.13 | Ackis | it boots up in about 2 seconds |
| 19:48.26 | Ackis | web/IM |
| 19:48.37 | Arrowmaster | i do NOT have a cheap board and everything i read suggested there was no flash on the board |
| 19:48.44 | Arrowmaster | if so i was going to install grub to it |
| 19:48.55 | DWSR | ~failmaster |
| 19:49.32 | Ackis | some of the literature stated that on higher end boards they have a chip, on lower end you need to install on the primary hard drive |
| 19:49.32 | DWSR | wow. |
| 19:49.38 | DWSR | I just went to privmsg someone on IRC and type /w |
| 19:49.44 | DWSR | ~faildys |
| 19:49.45 | purl | FAIL, Adys, FAIL |
| 19:49.51 | Arrowmaster | btw does seagate have anything to do with asus now? |
| 19:50.10 | Ackis | not sure |
| 19:50.34 | Dagmar | Not that I've heard |
| 19:50.40 | Arrowmaster | or is one of my seagate drives just behaving bad and polluting all my system info with VENDOR: SEAGATE, www.seagate.com |
| 19:50.46 | DWSR | Guys, can anyone get purl to respond in tells? |
| 19:51.07 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11474 |
| 19:51.07 | Arrowmaster | purl, tell DWSR about fail |
| 19:51.34 | Thunder_Child | Dewin: yes |
| 19:51.38 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: yes |
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| 19:51.43 | Thunder_Child | sorry Dewin mt |
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| 19:53.28 | DWSR | Is it pi or 2pi radians in a full circle? |
| 19:53.45 | Dagmar | two pies |
| 19:53.47 | Dagmar | Mmm.... |
| 19:53.50 | DWSR | lol |
| 19:54.16 | Ackis | and express gate doesn't work AHCI/Raid setups |
| 19:54.52 | Arrowmaster | wtf it doesnt work in AHCI? |
| 19:54.53 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:54.54 | Ackis | not really sure what AHCI is but it sounds shiny |
| 19:55.04 | Arrowmaster | AHCI is more advanced SATA |
| 19:55.39 | Arrowmaster | vista/7 will only install on AHCI i think |
| 19:55.51 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: No, it installs on IDE. |
| 19:55.58 | DWSR | vista does, at least. |
| 19:56.05 | Arrowmaster | i mean for sata |
| 19:56.29 | Ackis | I can't find the original faq but post 2 is C&P of it: http://forum.elitebastards.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=24573 |
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| 19:57.58 | Ackis | Kaelten: you bastard |
| 19:58.26 | Dagmar | You *really* want SATA controllers in purely SATA mode for Windows |
| 19:58.45 | Dagmar | If you don't, and they're being accesed through the IDE compatibiliity interface your motherboard gives, Windows will think they're IDE disks |
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| 20:22.04 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, TC. |
| 20:22.06 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 20:22.06 | purl | aw, gee, Lopeppeppy |
| 20:22.16 | Lopeppeppy | DWSR, it was a hoot. Did you see Sweeny Todd? |
| 20:22.27 | Thunder_Child | well since i crashed purl, i do kinda feel responsible |
| 20:22.47 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 20:22.59 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: dont confuse DWSR, there are 2 movies |
| 20:23.28 | Ackis | why didn't purl come back? |
| 20:23.37 | Lopeppeppy | It's a lot like Sweeny Todd in the musical gory splashy fun feeling. |
| 20:26.02 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: you mean on it's own? |
| 20:26.10 | Ackis | yeah |
| 20:26.54 | Thunder_Child | *shrug* |
| 20:27.59 | Arrowmaster | you know these just seems destined for complications http://overbenny.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/how-to-get-units-consistent-across-all-applications/ |
| 20:32.17 | Dagmar | s/complications/failure/; |
| 20:32.37 | Dagmar | Does it even make _sense_ for some applications to be configurable to report in _bytes_? |
| 20:33.02 | Dagmar | It's not like we're occasionally measuring bandwidth in farthings or something |
| 20:33.53 | Arrowmaster | configuration doesnt make sense to me because bytes are base-2 plain and simple and always should be reported in base-2 |
| 20:34.09 | Arrowmaster | now the argument of is it MB or MiB is another story |
| 20:34.29 | DWSR | imo |
| 20:34.34 | Arrowmaster | personally i dont care if its displayed as MiB, as long as nobody tries to call it Mibibyte |
| 20:34.50 | Dagmar | It's unuseful to do those in base-10 |
| 20:34.51 | DWSR | Abstract the data from the presentation. Store everything in base-2 and report it in <insert crazy user wishes here> |
| 20:35.18 | Arrowmaster | s/Mibibyte/Mebibyte/ |
| 20:35.31 | DWSR | I thought it *was* a mibibyte? |
| 20:35.49 | Arrowmaster | i went to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mibibyte |
| 20:35.54 | Arrowmaster | it redirected to Mebibyte |
| 20:36.13 | foxlit | So they added a "View Profile" link to the SC2 end-of-match scoreboard |
| 20:36.21 | Arrowmaster | but it is Kibibyte and Gibibyte |
| 20:36.25 | foxlit | It's a pity it's always disabled. |
| 20:37.02 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1loyjm4SOa0 |
| 20:37.27 | Cide | good morning! |
| 20:40.15 | Cide | question |
| 20:40.35 | Stanzilla | 23cm |
| 20:40.35 | Cide | who was it that tried this on me earlier today: |
| 20:40.37 | Cide | <c|de> Whoa re you |
| 20:40.37 | Cide | <c|de> I am the real cide. |
| 20:40.43 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_h_KJcTOPU |
| 20:41.20 | Dagmar | Cide: register "c|de" as an alt nick so the next time you can respond with "ORLY?" and ghost him out |
| 20:41.30 | Lunessa | If life seems bloody rotten, there's something you've forgotten. |
| 20:41.32 | Ackis | http://www.auditnet.org/ |
| 20:41.39 | Ackis | :( |
| 20:41.41 | Ackis | ugly |
| 20:41.58 | Cide | Dagmar: even better, let him have my name (Cide) and THEN ghost him |
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| 20:52.56 | Ackis | http://i48.tinypic.com/63rm37.jpg |
| 21:07.11 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 21:08.02 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 21:09.24 | Fisker | is a i7-980x and a geforce GTX480 better than your system? |
| 21:09.32 | Ackis | nope |
| 21:09.40 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 21:09.51 | Fisker | then i guess you don't want any of them as a gift then |
| 21:09.59 | Kraps | http://www.popcap.com/games/peggle is blocked because it is currently categorized as: Spyware / Malware Sources Games |
| 21:10.12 | Ackis | no thank you Fisker |
| 21:11.25 | Shirik | Kraps: It's spyware to your brain |
| 21:11.28 | Shirik | it infects your brain |
| 21:11.39 | Thunder_Child | not for me Kraps |
| 21:12.09 | Fisker | dns poisoning! |
| 21:16.04 | Shirik | poisons Fisker |
| 21:16.25 | Fisker | resists |
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| 21:24.20 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 21:24.37 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 21:24.40 | Cide | wanna play? |
| 21:24.43 | Amarande | hmm, anyone else having issues with ATSW lately? |
| 21:24.44 | Shirik | hi cide |
| 21:24.47 | Adys | play with me Cide |
| 21:24.47 | Shirik | I'm at panera atm but sure |
| 21:24.49 | Adys | play with me |
| 21:24.51 | Cide | panera? |
| 21:24.57 | Shirik | panera bread? |
| 21:25.14 | Cide | a bakery/cafe, I see |
| 21:25.22 | Cide | can you play from there? |
| 21:25.39 | Cide | Adys: OH NO |
| 21:25.50 | Thunder_Child | Shirik is a god, he can do anyhthing.....didnt you know that Cide? |
| 21:26.10 | Cide | nope |
| 21:26.20 | Thunder_Child | well, now you do |
| 21:28.15 | Cide | I don't believe you |
| 21:28.43 | Thunder_Child | yes well, your beliefs do not alter reality |
| 21:30.00 | Fisker | Thunder_Child my Cide |
| 21:33.57 | Shirik | Cide |
| 21:33.59 | Shirik | I meant when I get home |
| 21:34.02 | Cide | oic |
| 21:34.18 | Cide | well let me know |
| 21:38.38 | industrial | What's the easiest way to go from {1.0, 1.0, 1.0} to |cffffffff|r ? |
| 21:39.22 | industrial | thinks they should just document string.format instead of pointing to 'the C manual'. |
| 21:39.23 | foxlit | string.format |
| 21:39.29 | industrial | foxlit: heh. |
| 21:40.26 | Cide | string.format("\124c%02x02x02x\124r", unpack(tbl)) |
| 21:40.29 | Cide | i'm too kind sometimes |
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| 21:40.49 | industrial | hugglesnuggles Cide |
| 21:40.50 | foxlit | You're too clever sometimes, too |
| 21:41.01 | Cide | yep :/ |
| 21:41.02 | Kaso | doesnt that miss the alpha cide? |
| 21:41.03 | Cide | multiply those by 255 |
| 21:41.10 | industrial | Cide: right |
| 21:41.18 | Cide | and Kaso is right |
| 21:41.28 | Cide | you could, of course, hardcode the ff for alpha |
| 21:41.48 | Arrowmaster | rofl http://kotaku.com/5501990/quick-name-all-of-the-video-game-references-go |
| 21:46.44 | Adys | Cide: what :( |
| 21:46.49 | Adys | NO MORE PLAY? |
| 21:49.05 | industrial | I love seeing how Sc2 evolves (for example roach rushes were very popular but very counterable right now by protoss (fast immortals)) |
| 21:49.19 | Cide | but if you go fast immortals |
| 21:49.23 | Cide | they can switch to lings |
| 21:49.25 | Cide | which own immortals |
| 21:50.25 | industrial | well true, but you can switch to colossus then since they both get made at the robo. Dunno how you are going to keep up with production though :p |
| 21:51.05 | Shirik | Cide: They nerfed MM btw : |
| 21:51.06 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:51.14 | Cide | yeah, saw :/ |
| 21:51.23 | Shirik | they didn't really nerf MM so much as they nerfed the ability to mass marines |
| 21:51.45 | industrial | How did they nerf it then? (patch 6?) |
| 21:52.02 | Cide | made marines worse |
| 21:52.06 | Cide | don't remember how |
| 21:52.09 | Shirik | barracks reactor build time doubled |
| 21:52.21 | industrial | hmm |
| 21:52.36 | Shirik | marine build time increased from 20 to 25 |
| 21:52.55 | Shirik | interestingly, they halved the vespene cost of tech labs |
| 21:54.03 | foxlit | == "Stop spamming marines in early game" |
| 21:54.23 | foxlit | Which is fair enough |
| 21:55.26 | foxlit | The net effect is probably that you get a more marauder-heavy force, which is comparable to what protoss/zerg get in tier 1. |
| 21:56.05 | foxlit | And somewhat reduces your available anti-air should someone choose to rush that way |
| 21:57.05 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=((1+million)+/+60+seconds)+in+seconds&aq=f&aqi=h1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= |
| 21:57.08 | Adys | wth |
| 21:57.10 | Adys | scratches head |
| 21:57.29 | Archarodim | olafski: about what you asked 12 hours ago (about Decursive login spam), I've added an option two months ago, there is no final release available but you can grab the latest beta. |
| 21:57.39 | foxlit | Adys: angles |
| 21:57.42 | foxlit | not time |
| 21:57.51 | Adys | yes but thats not what i typed at all |
| 21:58.14 | Shirik | I have successfully confused visual studio: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/b57ac1a7e6d3006504341b89c53d1bc8.png |
| 21:58.17 | foxlit | Your query is odd anyway |
| 21:59.24 | foxlit | seems weird to express unit^-1 in units |
| 21:59.49 | Adys | well the query could just as well be 1m/(60*60) |
| 22:00.20 | foxlit | number of hours in that amount of seconds? |
| 22:00.37 | nicoli_s | shirik: wtf are you doing documenting your code? dont you know if you document your code you lose job security |
| 22:00.50 | Shirik | rofl |
| 22:00.57 | Adys | foxlit: its just late i suppose |
| 22:01.15 | Shirik | nicoli_s: This is for school, but at work, lack of documentation == lack of government approval == lack of job |
| 22:01.16 | olafski | thanks archarodim :) |
| 22:01.23 | foxlit | Shirik: also, what's this VS thing? |
| 22:01.30 | Shirik | VS is god |
| 22:01.42 | foxlit | Solution 'IDEA' should clearly be developed in IDEA |
| 22:01.46 | foxlit | Dogfood and all that. |
| 22:03.08 | Shirik | I'm going to kill someone |
| 22:03.30 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:03.31 | Fisker | you |
| 22:03.39 | foxlit | "A wild volunteer appears." |
| 22:03.40 | Shirik | the fact that I clicked svn update and am downloading a file that is over 5 MB means someone royally fucked up |
| 22:04.02 | Shirik | someone committed an ncb file -_- |
| 22:04.37 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 22:05.09 | Fisker | nicoli_s my friend |
| 22:06.40 | foxlit | My latest evil plan: you can easily model wow's random number generator |
| 22:07.08 | foxlit | [local-side math.random(), that is] |
| 22:08.21 | foxlit | Which means you can get it to return whatever you actually want. |
| 22:08.31 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 22:13.02 | Arrowmaster | so many names i recognize, but why the hell cant i find valve? http://kotaku.com/5502228/the-ginormous-flow-chart-history-of-game-studios |
| 22:14.29 | Fisker | http://www.nvidia.com/object/cool_stuff.html#/demos/2117 |
| 22:14.30 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 22:15.34 | foxlit | Arrowmaster becuase valve has such an unnoticeable logo? |
| 22:17.02 | Arrowmaster | took me forever to find blizzard too but its in the top left |
| 22:17.12 | Arrowmaster | but i cant find valve |
| 22:17.28 | foxlit | I don't think they bought/sold anyone else |
| 22:17.36 | foxlit | Which would put them somewhere in the lower right corner. |
| 22:17.48 | foxlit | But they're just not there. |
| 22:18.32 | Arrowmaster | that chart also should of shown with big red X's over the logos which companys were bought and then absorbed or just dismantled by the big publishers |
| 22:18.34 | zenzelezz | foxlit: I don't recall if they bought any companies, but they at least bought products/people |
| 22:19.22 | Amarande | remember, blue lines are boo lines |
| 22:19.49 | Arrowmaster | green are good |
| 22:20.49 | Amarande | indeed, green = talent moving *away* from Big Corporate :) |
| 22:21.18 | Arrowmaster | microsoft game studios and bungie create and inf loop |
| 22:22.20 | Dagmar | eff me |
| 22:22.35 | Dagmar | "Thousands of Fortune 500 companies have ordered this DVD" |
| 22:22.48 | Dagmar | Yeaaaaahhh... OKay. |
| 22:23.05 | Amarande | is somewhat reluctant to buy BioWare anymore |
| 22:23.23 | Amarande | sell outs suck! |
| 22:23.33 | Dagmar | Hey at least you download their DLC and not just unlock it |
| 22:23.56 | Arrowmaster | the ME2 stuff was unlocks i think but it was free |
| 22:24.06 | Arrowmaster | but yeah fuck 2k |
| 22:24.16 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm sure they're just happy as hell about that since GameSpot is now being sued over that |
| 22:24.31 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 22:24.38 | Amarande | yes. making stuff that's actually on the disc be additional-fee unlockables = FAIL |
| 22:24.55 | zenzelezz | http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/26/1537228/GameStop-Sued-Over-Lack-of-DLC-For-Used-Games |
| 22:24.58 | Dagmar | Someone bought ME2 from them used, and wound up having to pay $10 more for the unlock, despite the box (which is somehow GameSpy's fault) saying it was free |
| 22:25.01 | Dagmar | Very, very lame. |
| 22:25.28 | Dagmar | Clearly it's not enough to sue EA, which leads me to believe the guy was hired by EA |
| 22:25.35 | Amarande | unless that's part of the method of the game studios to try to destroy the used game business |
| 22:25.48 | Dagmar | I thought that part was assumable |
| 22:25.56 | Amarande | by making it essentially illegal, via false advertising, to do something so simple as sell games used in the original case |
| 22:26.11 | Dagmar | The box had the same disclaimers on it when it was new, so I fail to see how they don't still apply with GameSpot's sale |
| 22:26.31 | Arrowmaster | GameStop, not GameStop |
| 22:26.35 | Arrowmaster | Spot |
| 22:26.40 | Dagmar | SEE! |
| 22:26.44 | Shirik | ok Cide I'm back |
| 22:26.46 | Dagmar | They're confusing us all the time! |
| 22:26.50 | Cide | alright! |
| 22:26.59 | Dagmar | A buncha sneaky tricksters they are |
| 22:27.03 | Arrowmaster | GameSpot is so forgettable i blame you for bring it up |
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| 22:27.31 | Dagmar | I'll stick with my policy of not buying games from them, since clearly they don't sell any |
| 22:27.53 | Dagmar | Show up sometime on a release day and ask if they have a copy of it. |
| 22:27.56 | Amarande | I buy most of my games at Play & Trade now anyway |
| 22:28.06 | Dagmar | See if they don't treat you like a retarded kid who wandered in to buy ice cream. |
| 22:28.09 | Amarande | and I might be making my last game purchase for a long while this coming week |
| 22:28.18 | Arrowmaster | i only buy brand new releases from GameStop on release day |
| 22:28.22 | Amarande | I still haven't felt like forking over for next-gen consoles |
| 22:28.28 | Arrowmaster | otherwise ill just get an already opened game |
| 22:28.31 | Amarande | and the last great game for PS2 comes out next Tuesday |
| 22:28.34 | Arrowmaster | and i dont want an opened game |
| 22:28.37 | Dagmar | "If I wanted to pre-order, UPS would have already delivered it jackass. Do you sell games here or not?" |
| 22:28.43 | Cide | rofl |
| 22:28.43 | Cide | ps2 |
| 22:28.51 | Dagmar | Amarande: Wait, someone's selling a PS2 game now? now? |
| 22:29.04 | Amarande | Dagmar: the last one worth talking about comes out Tuesday. Sakura Wars: So Long My Love |
| 22:29.20 | Amarande | the title seems oddly appropriate for its place in the PS2's lifespan :( |
| 22:29.22 | Dagmar | Hmm.... One of those japanese games about girls |
| 22:29.32 | Arrowmaster | jrpg's are the only thing to come out on the ps2 in the last few years |
| 22:29.39 | Amarande | after that, the only game even listed as SCHEDULED for release for PS2 in NA is some LOTR game in September |
| 22:29.41 | Amarande | and then that's all folks |
| 22:30.04 | Cide | about time |
| 22:30.14 | Amarande | with that far out of a release date, who knows if the LOTR game will even hit PS2 heh |
| 22:30.16 | Arrowmaster | atleast ive got my ps3 with ps2 backwards compatibility |
| 22:30.21 | Cide | I hate seeing 500 singstar games on ps3 being released |
| 22:30.29 | Cide | ps2* |
| 22:30.41 | Cide | let's do this Shirik! |
| 22:30.41 | Amarande | I forget if it's a multiplatformer, but even if it isn't, they might well pull a Shadow Hearts and release the LOTR game for PS3 by that point |
| 22:31.14 | Dagmar | BestBuy thinks Sakura Wars is already out |
| 22:31.29 | Amarande | I hate seeing that so many of the good franchises seem to have gone by the board already :( |
| 22:31.46 | Amarande | Xenosaga is dead. Shadow Hearts is dead. Shin Megami Tensei seems to be dying, after its huge surge in popularity when Persona 3 came out. |
| 22:32.16 | Amarande | Final Fantasy kinda jumped the shark with 12 |
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| 22:32.25 | Dagmar | Megaten went MMO (of questionable quality) |
| 22:32.36 | Arrowmaster | i would play the persona series if i could get versions with english text but Japanese audio and subtitles |
| 22:32.41 | Amarande | Wild Arms is pretty much AWOL after 5 |
| 22:32.51 | Dagmar | Amarande: There's a shark? All I've seen so far are MOUNDS OF DEBRIS |
| 22:33.01 | Arrowmaster | i dont fucking want completely localized translations |
| 22:33.11 | Amarande | I'm not sure about how Star Ocean is doing, since I don't have a console that can play SO4 |
| 22:33.20 | Amarande | other than that, it seems like the RPG ... is dead :| |
| 22:33.21 | Dagmar | Nevermind. FFXIII is pretty traumatizing |
| 22:33.28 | Arrowmaster | heh i just got SO4 in the mail today from amazon |
| 22:33.38 | Amarande | apart from MMOs and Pokemon, which will probably never die |
| 22:33.48 | Dagmar | pokemon needs to go ahead and do an MMO |
| 22:33.59 | Amarande | oh god, Dagmar. just oh god. |
| 22:34.06 | Amarande | we've seen the maturity level in WoW |
| 22:34.06 | Dagmar | Just so we can take spawn camping to newer, completely unheard of levels. |
| 22:34.20 | Amarande | an MMO that *caters to* that younger audience? unnngghhhhhhh. |
| 22:34.26 | Dagmar | I want to see footage on the news of eight year olds killing each other over spawns |
| 22:34.34 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: sony has one |
| 22:34.39 | Amarande | and remember that many pokemon events have AGE LIMITS |
| 22:34.47 | Amarande | not minimum ages, but "YOU ARE TOO OLD TO PLAY" limits |
| 22:34.50 | Dagmar | It's not worrying Lego any |
| 22:35.13 | Dagmar | Granted it looks like they took a list of words grade school kids are required to know, and you can't say anything not on that list |
| 22:35.17 | Amarande | so that means if an adult signed up, they WOULD get pwned eventually with no hope |
| 22:35.26 | Dagmar | Amarande: Actually no |
| 22:35.32 | Amarande | because eventually, there'd be too much powerful shit that you'd need to sign up for an event requiring you to be under a certain age |
| 22:36.09 | Dagmar | Strangely the issue is that the older pokemon players get, the less likely they are to be fair about it |
| 22:36.16 | Dagmar | i.e., hacked pokemon. |
| 22:36.17 | Amarande | Dagmar: I know one woman who has a complete or -very- nearly so Pokedex ... we think that eventually her kids will have to play for her after a certain point in order to maintain that status, due to the pokemon that require you to attend events |
| 22:36.20 | Dagmar | I figured it would be pedophiles |
| 22:36.33 | Amarande | (and she has not cheated -at all- for that pokedex, mind you) |
| 22:36.45 | Dagmar | Amarande: They don't require you to attend to keep them, they just require you go there to get them |
| 22:37.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, but there will be future Pokemon |
| 22:37.24 | Dagmar | Last I checked there were two you had to trade for, and one that required you to go to some event |
| 22:37.37 | Amarande | and sooner or later, I'm sure there will be ones she won't be able to get personally because they'll be a tied to a kids-only event |
| 22:38.16 | Dagmar | Nah, the event-only pokemon are held at the Pokemon Centers (which is just damn weird) and didn't have restrictions last I checked |
| 22:38.23 | Dagmar | s/held/caught/; |
| 22:39.12 | Amarande | of course, eventually complete legit pokedexes will probably be pretty much only family heirlooms anyway, but that'll be just due to sheer number of years' worth of events with special Pokemon |
| 22:39.15 | Dagmar | Of course, if you're a shifty looking guy in yer fifties going in there alone without a pretty serious-looking DS in your hand, someone should probably just call the police right off the bat |
| 22:40.42 | Amarande | Dagmar: you're not implying that all-ages entertainment is perhaps a threat to society by inference, are you? :| |
| 22:40.57 | Amarande | though unfortunately, I'm not entirely sure if it *isn't* a slight threat |
| 22:41.15 | Amarande | because as long as all-ages entertainment exists, efforts to combat pedophilia by separating generations will necessarily block |
| 22:41.27 | foxlit | There's like one RegisterForSave call left in the entire FrameXML |
| 22:41.29 | foxlit | Slackers. |
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| 22:41.57 | Amarande | Dagmar: do you think that entertainment should be explicitly designed as kids-only or adults-only never the twain to meet? |
| 22:42.19 | Dagmar | I'm implying that someone going into a Pokemon Center voluntarily and they don't have a DS in their hand, they're probably looking to capture a "TimmyMon" or possibly a "SusieMon" and need to be locked up |
| 22:42.42 | Dagmar | I've seen pictures. They're garish at best. |
| 22:43.04 | Dagmar | They look like the pokemon centers in the game (yes, I've played multiple versions of it) |
| 22:43.15 | Amarande | they look like eight-bit art? :) |
| 22:43.33 | Dagmar | Bright orange and yellow everywhere. Red/White blackstripey |
| 22:43.39 | Amarande | actually, designing a building to -really- look like eight bit art would actually be quite a feat |
| 22:44.00 | Dagmar | Seriously tho, ther'es very few kids who min/max their pokemon, which suprises me |
| 22:44.02 | Amarande | remember, you have to somehow design all the wall intersections to have that blocky look when looked at diagonally :D |
| 22:44.11 | Dagmar | ...at least the american kids don't. |
| 22:44.21 | Amarande | american kids aren't into RPGs :| |
| 22:44.25 | Dagmar | I expected to just have my ass handed to me |
| 22:44.32 | Amarande | this is one of the major reasons the market for them continually withers in this country |
| 22:45.02 | Amarande | the kind of people who really get into RPGs are rare ubergeeks like the population of #wowuidev |
| 22:45.17 | Dagmar | Now, I probably shoudlnt' be allowed to play Final fantasy Tactics Advanced against a small child, because I'll crush them |
| 22:45.48 | Dagmar | ...but I can never really keep straight in my head what all the bloody vulnerabilities and strengths of the pokemon are, even the ones I've caught, so on that front, me and kids are about even. Heh |
| 22:46.09 | Amarande | heh I don't know the Pokemon elemental RPS off the top of my head either |
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| 22:46.26 | Amarande | despite the fact that I'm pretty handy with the Megaten elemental RPS, which is even more complicated :S |
| 22:46.52 | Amarande | despite the fact that Pokemon practically IS Megaten in so many ways gameplaywise |
| 22:47.21 | Amarande | I think I have an old GB Red cartridge somewhere |
| 22:47.24 | Amarande | I can't remember where though |
| 22:47.50 | Amarande | and I think my brother took my GB so it doesn't really matter anyway heh |
| 22:47.59 | Dagmar | There are flying female humaniform pokemon wearing what looks like a pair of dress ties |
| 22:48.02 | Dagmar | ? |
| 22:48.15 | Amarande | I said gameplaywise, not characterwise |
| 22:48.23 | Amarande | if you want flying female humaniform, you need Digimon :P |
| 22:48.29 | Dagmar | I was rather disappointed to find that Megaten was that much like pokemon |
| 22:48.39 | Amarande | actually Megaten came first, though |
| 22:48.50 | Amarande | we just didn't get it in the States till long after Pokemon came over |
| 22:48.56 | Dagmar | From the way they talked aobut it, I was expecting to be able to breed an army of deformed mutant freaks |
| 22:48.59 | Amarande | well, except for Persona 2 EP, anyway |
| 22:49.41 | Amarande | I'm also trying to remember if Shin Megami Tensei III has fewer demons than the previous SMTs or if it's about the same |
| 22:49.53 | Amarande | and *that* is one thing I don't like about the increasingly graphical emphasis of games |
| 22:50.35 | Amarande | back when things were mostly described or used basic 8-bit sprites, you could have more different creatures than now, where you practically have to have a 5000 triangle 3D model and texture for everything |
| 22:50.42 | Dagmar | I think that since Spore gave us universes full of mutant freaks that the bar has now officially been raised |
| 22:50.59 | Amarande | eh, there's some places where it is appropriate |
| 22:51.05 | Amarande | like if there was ever a D&D game that had Limbo |
| 22:51.09 | Dagmar | It's time to stop hand-crafting models and use genetics and transforms |
| 22:51.13 | Amarande | which ... IS a universe full of mutant freaks heh |
| 22:51.48 | Dagmar | Promise players they're allowed to breed monsters, and you should be required to allow for deformed haploit sewer cannibals. |
| 22:51.57 | Dagmar | s/haploit/haploid/; |
| 22:52.24 | Dagmar | None of this business with mating a fetish angel and a snowman to get a duck. |
| 22:52.31 | Dagmar | dubya tee eff |
| 22:54.00 | Amarande | hmm, what does Angel + Jack Frost make anyway ... |
| 22:54.05 | Amarande | tries to remember |
| 22:54.12 | Amarande | I can't even remember what Divine + Fairy combine into right now |
| 22:54.28 | Amarande | it's been so long since I've actually had a Divine in my Nocturne stock |
| 22:54.36 | zenzelezz | a vampire detective or something? |
| 22:54.43 | Amarande | although I do have plenty of Fairies, seeing as I've been combing Yoyogi Park for its copious experience points |
| 22:54.53 | Amarande | and all there IS in Yoyogi Park is fairies |
| 22:55.25 | Amarande | it's surprising that an area with enemies that can range almost on a whim from level 2 to 57 is a decent farming spot |
| 22:55.44 | Amarande | but the xp is good and nobody has any of that OMG instant death magic :P |
| 22:56.21 | Amarande | and Oberons and Setantas happily turn to stone for me on a regular basis. :) |
| 23:01.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: I don't remember what they combined into, but I do remember it not being nearly as kinky as I expected |
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| 23:08.29 | Fisker | damn the gtx 480 is crazy loud |
| 23:09.20 | Amarande | 480? |
| 23:09.24 | Amarande | what happened to the 3xx series? |
| 23:09.55 | Amarande | Dagmar: Ahh. |
| 23:10.11 | Amarande | And as for WHY I like the fact that Oberon and Setanta turn to stone regularly, it's because both of those are extremely irritating in the same sort of way. |
| 23:10.24 | Gagorian | Fisker: 880% more loud? |
| 23:10.36 | Fisker | maybe Gagorian |
| 23:10.47 | Fisker | reserved for various oem rebrands apparently Amarande |
| 23:11.00 | Amarande | They both like to hit you hard with physicals that crit *way too fucking often*, and both seem to be annoyingly resistant to traditional beatdown |
| 23:11.06 | Amarande | however, when they're stone, they shatter like anything else :) |
| 23:11.58 | Dagmar | Heh. Maybe this time instead of having to start over by dropping a digit, they'll just do all even numbers, 2xx, 4xx, 6xx, 8xx, and then start over with odd numbers like 1xx, 3xx, 5xx... |
| 23:12.33 | Dagmar | I *think* everyone learned from Intel's bad example that randomly assigned numbers do not help consumer choice-making |
| 23:14.16 | Amarande | The weird thing is there are things with Intel where there *did* seem to be some order to the numbers picked |
| 23:14.27 | Amarande | Like things that start with 80 tend to be CPUs, and ones that start with 825 are usually network chips |
| 23:19.21 | NeoTron | speaking of graphics cards - is there any way to track and use the cpu / io usage of a graphics card? |
| 23:19.30 | NeoTron | so you can see if a particular game is cpu bound, gfx bound or both |
| 23:19.52 | Dagmar | There's plenty you can use to monitor disk I/O and CPU load |
| 23:20.09 | Dagmar | ...part of which is hardware support |
| 23:20.32 | foxlit | try gpu-z |
| 23:20.36 | NeoTron | I meant io to and from the graphics card (i.e texture, geometry and other stuff like that) |
| 23:20.50 | Dagmar | You're probably SOL for the graphics card |
| 23:21.46 | Fisker | btw |
| 23:21.47 | Fisker | http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/26/nvidia_fermi_gtx_470_480_sli_review/7 |
| 23:21.52 | Fisker | if you want to hear how loud it is under load :P |
| 23:22.23 | Fisker | i don't even dare click the GTX 480 SLI video |
| 23:23.27 | Fisker | lol |
| 23:23.31 | Fisker | leafblower ftw |
| 23:23.40 | Amarande | GTX 480 SLI? |
| 23:23.48 | Amarande | imagines the electricity meter spinning like the wheels on a bus |
| 23:24.03 | Fisker | imagines the first design meeting for the LHC |
| 23:24.17 | Fisker | You want to WHAT?! |
| 23:24.35 | Amarande | you know, I have to wonder how long before consumer computers will reach a hard limit that cannot really be exceeded :| |
| 23:24.51 | Amarande | simply by the fact that every generation of hardware requires beefier power supplies |
| 23:24.52 | Fisker | moores law motherfucker |
| 23:24.58 | Dagmar | "We'd like to build a machine capable of accellerating particles to super high speeds, smash them into each other, and measure how much money it costs." |
| 23:25.08 | Amarande | eventually, a point should be reached, where it is no longer possible to upgrade because the PSU required to go beyond a certain level of power |
| 23:25.10 | Fisker | though of course you could say that you could just make computers bigger |
| 23:25.12 | Fisker | not that big a deal |
| 23:25.16 | Amarande | will not be compatible with the amperage available on home circuits |
| 23:25.33 | Amarande | it might not be that far in the future, seeing as home circuits are 15-20 A and I've seen power supplies using 10-13 A or so |
| 23:25.34 | Dagmar | We have a long way to go on that yet |
| 23:25.56 | Amarande | Dagmar: once something needs a PSU that needs to draw more than 20A off the mains, home computer evolution is over |
| 23:26.00 | Arrowmaster | part of the reason for the high heat and wattage of the fermi is due to the manufacturing issues and them having to up the wattage to get it to run at the desired speeds |
| 23:26.08 | Dagmar | Most homes at 20. If yours is less it's OLD and the wiring is dodgy, or it used to be a budget hotel that was renovated into condos |
| 23:26.18 | Fisker | Maybe i should get myself a Radeon 5870 |
| 23:26.30 | Amarande | This house was built in '78 ... the circuit breakers are rated for 15A |
| 23:26.32 | Fisker | before all the retailers starts figuring out the obvious and troll us all into oblivion |
| 23:26.58 | Amarande | But with the power hungry graphics cards, I'm not sure how long we have before PSUs get pushed to 20A input |
| 23:26.58 | Dagmar | Amarande: You may well have aluminum wireing |
| 23:27.04 | Fisker | The worst thing is that performance will probably suffer |
| 23:27.04 | Arrowmaster | i think ive got 15A circuits, but they are all super old and ungrounded |
| 23:27.08 | Fisker | because ATI sucks |
| 23:27.22 | foxlit | table.wipe: also deallocates the hash buckets? |
| 23:27.23 | Fisker | just get new wiring Arrowmaster |
| 23:27.24 | Amarande | There are 30A circuits in homes, but usually only in kitchens for appliances |
| 23:27.24 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i think i have aluminum wiring |
| 23:28.09 | Amarande | Remember that you don't have the full 20A to play with, anyway. |
| 23:28.29 | Dagmar | Usually everything else in a home is 20w, which is partly due to (thank god) codes requiring a certain gauge of copper wire (or a slightly larger gauge of aluminum, if that's still allowed in your area) |
| 23:28.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: You *do* generally have the full 20a, it'll just eventually kill the breaker if you run at more than 80% of that all the time |
| 23:29.12 | Arrowmaster | my wiring is so old ive got outlets with 4 sockets where you would normally have 2 grounded sockets |
| 23:29.16 | Amarande | Dagmar: I was more thinking about the amps your monitor, printer, and such use. |
| 23:29.29 | Amarande | Especially if you have a large monitor and a laser printer (like I do) |
| 23:29.54 | Dagmar | So... 2200w being about as far as you should push a single home circuit, we're talking about 1760w on a PC maxing out a *circuit* |
| 23:30.28 | Dagmar | The laser printer is likely to use a crapload when it heats the fuser. Unless you're still using a CRT, the display is loads less than you might expect |
| 23:30.43 | Amarande | Yeah, I just noticed my monitor only uses 80W |
| 23:31.48 | Amarande | tries to remember what the wiring is made of |
| 23:31.53 | Dagmar | CRTs use about double the power |
| 23:32.04 | Amarande | I should know this, since I've replaced outlets in the house before ... |
| 23:32.56 | Dagmar | I've gotten really famliar with house wiring over the years since I'm typically getting funny looks from apartment managers and such |
| 23:33.17 | Dagmar | There's that nervous laugh when the ask if the fire marshal knows about my machines |
| 23:33.55 | Dagmar | So like, when I move in, I'll turn everything in the breaker box off, plug a radio into each outlet and start flipping on breakers until I hear it |
| 23:33.59 | Fisker | Two lucky audience members just won a GTX 480...and now comes the t-shirt gun |
| 23:34.04 | Fisker | s/lucky/unlucky/ |
| 23:34.04 | Fisker | OH SNAP |
| 23:34.40 | Dagmar | It becomes very important to know whether or not all four outlets in a room are on hte same circuit, for instance |
| 23:34.59 | Dagmar | My study draws about 1600w at full tilt |
| 23:35.39 | Dagmar | One outlet is empty. Only rechargeable devices are ever allowed to be plugged into it |
| 23:35.44 | Fisker | 9i think it's time for some robot unicorn attack |
| 23:35.45 | Dagmar | Otherwise *p0p* DARKNESS |
| 23:35.56 | Bruners | Dagmar: doesnt CRTs only use shitloads right when it turns on and then flats out? |
| 23:36.04 | Arrowmaster | all mine are on the same circuit |
| 23:36.17 | Bruners | at least that is my experience from LAN-parties back in the day |
| 23:36.25 | Dagmar | Bruners: I'd say they use shitloads then, but still lots when they're running |
| 23:36.33 | Arrowmaster | has used to organize lan parties |
| 23:36.39 | Fisker | Bruners |
| 23:36.40 | Fisker | save me |
| 23:36.50 | Dagmar | LCDs just have a rinky dink illumination element |
| 23:37.06 | foxlit | 13 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 61.5% packet loss |
| 23:37.09 | foxlit | That is so not good. |
| 23:37.25 | Amarande | foxlit: what are you doing, tethering your cell phone? :| |
| 23:38.33 | Dagmar | Bruners: http://savingenergy.wordpress.com/2006/11/21/saving-energy-one-monitor-at-a-time/ |
| 23:39.14 | Dagmar | I have a kill-a-watt. When I got rid of the CRTs in the study I was able to actually add another server |
| 23:42.29 | Arrowmaster | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/ |
| 23:42.49 | Arrowmaster | only 15A? |
| 23:43.00 | Dagmar | They're great if you want an easy way to justify spending money on new hardware. :) |
| 23:43.05 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt that be higher so you dont destroy it before the breaker flips? |
| 23:43.07 | Fisker | Arrowmaster |
| 23:43.27 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It's not a breaker, it's just a meter. |
| 23:43.37 | Fisker | If WoW customers visited that site they would insinuate that thinkgeek is racist for only shipping to the US and Canada for that item |
| 23:44.01 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It doesn't really need to be higher than 15a because it's only one plug and your outlets are typically paired, so if you were to be running two things in one outlet pair that were 15a each you would almost certainly pop the breaker |
| 23:44.35 | Dagmar | Fisker: no one cares what those people think. |
| 23:44.39 | Arrowmaster | what if i wanted to plug that into my outlet and my big powerstrip into it |
| 23:44.56 | Amarande | heh, I still remember the last time I popped the breaker |
| 23:45.18 | Dagmar | You'd probably be fine unless you were already running such a load on that powerstrip that you were slowly destroying the breaker in your power closet |
| 23:45.25 | Arrowmaster | i dont think ive ever popped the breaker here but ive done it elsewhere many times |
| 23:45.39 | Bruners | Fisker: how can i save you |
| 23:45.44 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: breakers older than i am |
| 23:46.13 | Arrowmaster | although i honestly dont know which one im using |
| 23:46.23 | Arrowmaster | nothing is labeled |
| 23:46.37 | Amarande | the last time I popped the breaker |
| 23:46.44 | Dagmar | Hahah don't worry about it then, it's the electrical contractor's problem |
| 23:46.45 | Arrowmaster | but i know all the ceiling lights/fans are on the same one since ive had to replace ceiling fans multiple times |
| 23:46.46 | Amarande | was when I plugged an AT power supply into the switch incorrectly |
| 23:46.52 | Dagmar | ...of course, his bill is your problem. heh |
| 23:46.55 | Amarande | and I remember there being a fun flash and the room going dark |
| 23:46.56 | Amarande | lol |
| 23:47.11 | Fisker | Bruners |
| 23:47.13 | Fisker | Turn back time |
| 23:47.18 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: what contractor, some of the wiring in this house was installed by either me or my dad |
| 23:47.21 | Dagmar | It's always exciting when you pop a breaker in a home where you don't know the circuits, and you have computers. |
| 23:47.23 | Bruners | Fisker: wish i could |
| 23:47.28 | Fisker | same |
| 23:47.34 | Fisker | i would go back in time and fix the GTX480 |
| 23:47.36 | Dagmar | There's that moment of wonder... "How much of my infrastructure is still running?" |
| 23:47.37 | Bruners | i would have done so many things different |
| 23:47.42 | Arrowmaster | most of the basement is wired up as a tool shop |
| 23:48.10 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Okay so making sure your homeowner's insurance is paid up is probably pretty important. ;) |
| 23:48.25 | Amarande | I've never installed actual wiring myself |
| 23:48.28 | Amarande | only outlets and switches |
| 23:48.46 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: why do you not trust the wiring i did when i was 10? |
| 23:48.49 | Amarande | which are pretty much "just make sure it's connected snuggly, the ratings are right and you turned off the breaker first so you don't zot yourself" :) |
| 23:49.10 | Dagmar | It's not the wiring I distrust, it's the planning that led to the wiring. |
| 23:49.31 | Dagmar | I have seen supposedly trained union electricians do impossibly stupid things |
| 23:49.32 | Arrowmaster | oh the old wiring is god auful |
| 23:49.40 | Dagmar | ...I don't assume anything about anyone's work. |
| 23:49.48 | Dagmar | That right there is how you get a visit from the paramedics. |
| 23:49.54 | Dagmar | They're always a suprise. |
| 23:49.59 | Dagmar | You open your eyes and they're right there |
| 23:50.17 | Arrowmaster | dont get me started on union electricians, my uncle is a high voltage electricians and says the union guys do the stupidist things |
| 23:50.22 | Dagmar | "Hey, how did you guys get in here?" |
| 23:50.48 | Dagmar | "Oh your landlady let us in... She said she heard a scream and then a thump and then couldn't get you." |
| 23:51.56 | Arrowmaster | when wiring the ceiling fans up i found out the main wiring for the house is all single wire stuff, like the wall switches for the ceiling fans/lights only have a single wire in them |
| 23:52.03 | Dagmar | I can impart wisdom like "When using an FM radio to map out circuits to outlets, *don't* stop flipping breakers once the radio comes on. If it's on, flip the breaker to see if it goes off, and then flip MORE breakers to make sure it doesn't come *back* on" |
| 23:52.33 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: wtf? |
| 23:52.43 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: So the original electrician basically said "grounding lol" |
| 23:53.05 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: this house is from before grounding existed |
| 23:53.10 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: You never know what some idiot has managed to do, and it's not impossible that an outlet you're working on might be connected to more than one breaker. |
| 23:53.26 | Arrowmaster | like i said i have outlets with room for 4 plugs where you normally have 2 grounded plugs |
| 23:53.46 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Grounding has existed for a long time. |
| 23:54.04 | Dagmar | I suppose tho that it's the idea that consumer devices shouldn't shed extra power through the user that's somewhat new |
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| 23:59.23 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:5outlet-receptacle-rotate-crop-leveladj.jpg |
| 23:59.45 | Arrowmaster | see that, thats kinda like what the outlets i have are like |
