| 00:02.51 | DWSR | foxlit: Sounds like a Box of Win, imo. |
| 00:03.18 | dolby | um.... http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10470279-1.html |
| 00:04.57 | DWSR | wow. |
| 00:04.59 | DWSR | just. |
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| 00:05.14 | DWSR | picard double facepalms. |
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| 00:06.19 | DWSR | the worst part is the rates. |
| 00:06.22 | WobWork | DWSR, dolby: http://www.richardcobbett.com/2010/03/introducing-crap-gamers-network/ |
| 00:06.50 | WobWork | I suspect this will be much more trafficked =P |
| 00:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | Sign me up for GameCrush! |
| 00:08.08 | Shirik | I told someone I know that I found her a new job |
| 00:08.13 | Shirik | is this evil of me? |
| 00:08.17 | alestane | Which side, Peppy? |
| 00:09.07 | DWSR | ~alestane++ |
| 00:09.07 | Lopeppeppy | I'd have to buy an Xbox and pay the online fees though. Not sure that's a good exchange. |
| 00:09.07 | Lopeppeppy | alestane. I can always use more dates, some nights get awful quiet in the frozen north! |
| 00:09.09 | Arrowmaster | dolby: good job finding the only article ive seen that describes it completely wrong |
| 00:09.09 | DWSR | frozen north? |
| 00:09.20 | DWSR | i didn't know you were canadian |
| 00:09.29 | dolby | thanks |
| 00:09.34 | Lopeppeppy | Damn close to it. |
| 00:09.43 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: alaska? |
| 00:09.48 | Lopeppeppy | Northern New York. |
| 00:09.57 | DWSR | pft |
| 00:10.04 | Lopeppeppy | It's colder than Shirik. |
| 00:10.37 | DWSR | rofl |
| 00:10.38 | DWSR | Anyway, bbl |
| 00:11.27 | Shirik | wow Lopeppeppy |
| 00:11.29 | Shirik | damn |
| 00:11.33 | Shirik | that hurts :( |
| 00:11.41 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 00:11.42 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 00:11.46 | dolby | Shirik is the man |
| 00:11.54 | dolby | dont be messin with him |
| 00:12.00 | Lopeppeppy | you're warm down there, I'm cold up here, I should be the one hurt, not you. :P |
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| 00:12.22 | alestane | I think she meant "colder than Shirik is where he lives." |
| 00:12.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Who cares what she /meant/, that line was amazing |
| 00:12.48 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o Shirik] by dolby |
| 00:12.53 | dolby | shirik is the man |
| 00:12.53 | Shirik | :< |
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| 00:13.05 | dolby | lol |
| 00:13.21 | Lopeppeppy | pouts. |
| 00:13.25 | Shirik | I have to go |
| 00:13.31 | dolby | potty? |
| 00:13.46 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep, for once? |
| 00:13.57 | Shirik | notecards actually |
| 00:14.04 | Shirik | I'm going to.... you might need to sit down for htis one |
| 00:14.07 | Shirik | I'm going to study |
| 00:14.12 | dolby | i hear its best if you just write on your hand Shirik |
| 00:14.17 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:14.22 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent, Shirik. Enjoy it. |
| 00:14.57 | Gnarfoz | step 1: unplug your internet connection |
| 00:15.16 | foxlit | "Software registration.... is not transferrable." |
| 00:15.22 | foxlit | How the heck can they get away with that? |
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| 00:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | By making you click agree |
| 00:15.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And hoping you don't sue |
| 00:16.00 | foxlit | Can't imagine it'd hold up even if they made you sign something and mail it to them :/ |
| 00:16.07 | alestane | I should mention in here, for those who haven't seen it elsewhere: Most of you have probably heard by now that Blizzard was replacing their old method of tiling textures (which was something of a hack) with one intended to be more versatile and easier to use. The old method is gone. Unfortunately, the version of the replacement that went live doesn't actually tile; textures are just stretched across their defined area. |
| 00:16.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, what? |
| 00:16.25 | ScytheBlade1 | In what game? WoW? |
| 00:16.28 | foxlit | yes. |
| 00:16.35 | ScytheBlade1 | fail |
| 00:16.38 | alestane | This is a known bug and will be addressed at some point. |
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| 00:16.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah. |
| 00:16.43 | Lunessa | http://mthruf.com/2010/01/25/job-fail-government-work-is-like-a-wild-animal-sanctuary-but-for-dickheads/ |
| 00:16.51 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 00:17.08 | bluspacecow | !seen Zeksie |
| 00:19.02 | WobWork | dolby: that only works if you don't sweat nervously |
| 00:19.22 | WobWork | dolby: else you end up with exams with only "I am a fish" written a thousand times over it |
| 00:20.11 | alestane | Infinity welcomes careful drivers. |
| 00:20.20 | dolby | lol |
| 00:21.04 | Gnarfoz | <foxlit> How the heck can they get away with that? <-- it's probably void for you, anyway |
| 00:21.18 | Gnarfoz | not sure about .dk, <3 .de |
| 00:22.34 | alestane | A software license is usually an agreement by proxy that contains provisions for transfer. |
| 00:23.19 | Gnarfoz | which may or may not be what foxlit was quoting |
| 00:23.33 | alestane | A registration is a record in someone's database; transferring it would require contacting them and asking them to transfer it, and them agreeing. |
| 00:24.22 | foxlit | alestane: it basically goes like "Registration is required to play; registration is non-transferable" |
| 00:24.29 | cbreak | registering software isn't mandatory for most non-shareware titles |
| 00:24.30 | Gnarfoz | probably the good ol' buying vs. 'licensing' |
| 00:24.35 | WobWork | Shirik: http://img59.yfrog.com/i/wxol.jpg/ |
| 00:24.47 | foxlit | Which I parse as "You may not ever give this to anyone else" |
| 00:24.59 | alestane | That's basically what WoW does, foxlit. |
| 00:25.05 | Jerub | right of first sale :( |
| 00:25.07 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.14 | foxlit | WoW has provisions for transfer, iirc. |
| 00:25.24 | tem | DWSR, provide a log for that claim about disease ticks pulling aggro off a pally tank |
| 00:25.44 | alestane | Those provisions consist pretty much of "don't." |
| 00:25.53 | foxlit | "You may permanently transfer all of your rights and obligations under the License Agreement to another only by physically transferring the original media" |
| 00:26.23 | alestane | It might allow for an account originally in a parent's name on behalf of a minor to be transferred to that person on their majority, but I think that's it. |
| 00:26.38 | foxlit | That clause does not limit you in many ways |
| 00:26.52 | Gnarfoz | too bad our courts don't work like the US ones, or someone would probably have tried to sue them over it xD |
| 00:27.02 | foxlit | You may be more successful in arguing "Well fine, you can transfer the software, but you can't transfer your account, so hah!" |
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| 01:01.48 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah but when you need the better part of a thousand thorium bars, it starts to numb the brain :) |
| 01:02.29 | Dagmar | Ah... I think that's where I'd be scraping the bottom fifth of the AH daily for awhile |
| 01:02.50 | Dagmar | Making *one* run like that isnt' tedious, but doing it over and over you might as well harness other people's tedium |
| 01:03.00 | alestane | The thorium requirements for leveling BS are a good bit lower than they were the first time I did it. |
| 01:03.49 | Amarande | at least now I never really need to see Azerothian metal again anymore |
| 01:03.55 | Dagmar | Engineering requires about four million mouseclicks |
| 01:03.57 | alestane | Amarande: I also have an engineer/smith toon. I survived this mostly by having three other toons who are miners. |
| 01:04.08 | Dagmar | I do truly wish ATSW did just one further level of recursion |
| 01:04.25 | alestane | So while each one was leveling mining, they were all driving her in addition to their own skills. |
| 01:04.58 | WobWork | Dagmar: there's always ReverseEngineering |
| 01:05.14 | Dagmar | I'll look into that |
| 01:05.23 | WobWork | it's a little more clicky, but recurses to the root |
| 01:06.11 | WobWork | I just love how I've not had to edit that addon since 2.0 |
| 01:06.20 | WobWork | and that was to deAce it |
| 01:06.30 | Adys | someone remind me, whats the shoulder resilience enchant called? |
| 01:06.48 | Jerub | Adys: arcanum of the gladiator or something |
| 01:06.55 | Adys | ah yes |
| 01:06.56 | Jerub | Adys: it's the bear tanking one |
| 01:06.58 | Jerub | :) |
| 01:07.07 | Kraps | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/community/fanart/#936 |
| 01:07.34 | Jerub | Kraps: that's a nice piece |
| 01:08.44 | Adys | Jerub: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/44068/inscription-of-dominance/ |
| 01:08.46 | Adys | is that the one? |
| 01:09.00 | Adys | i cant find any other |
| 01:09.08 | Jerub | oh wait. |
| 01:09.12 | Jerub | sorry, that's the SP one |
| 01:09.26 | Jerub | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/62384/greater-inscription-of-the-gladiator/ |
| 01:09.31 | Jerub | that's the bear tanking one. |
| 01:11.28 | Jerub | Adys: oh, any thankyou thankyou thankyou for the beta invite btw, you rock. |
| 01:11.38 | Adys | which one? |
| 01:11.51 | Jerub | Adys: sc2 beta |
| 01:11.54 | Adys | ah |
| 01:19.02 | Corrodias | what the heck? it requires certain weapons and adds to shoulders? |
| 01:19.37 | Adys | thats my db (and blizzard, btw) sucking |
| 01:19.58 | Corrodias | ah |
| 01:22.10 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss bye bye* |
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| 01:22.15 | WobWork | Jerub: wait, bears need resil? |
| 01:23.02 | Jerub | WobWork: no, but it's bette than the hodir enchant |
| 01:24.59 | Jerub | WobWork: it's +30stam +15resil, instead of +20 dodge +15 defence |
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| 01:45.02 | Jerub | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kyqpz5W0Sp1qa8uhso1_500.png |
| 01:46.27 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 02:00.13 | Zyn | The old man offers you a choice. A raspberry and a blueberry. If you take the raspberry, you are presented the very truth of your existance. If you take the blueberry, you go about your business as a simple peasant. |
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| 02:42.05 | tem | we never did the putricide or rotface achievements |
| 02:42.13 | tem | and yeah, all you can eat is brutal |
| 02:42.26 | tem | the only thing worse imo is the vile spirit one |
| 02:42.44 | Zyn | we did that on tuesday |
| 02:42.57 | tem | because holy balls |
| 02:43.04 | tem | if you fail that |
| 02:43.11 | tem | you have 15 minutes to do over |
| 02:43.25 | Zyn | we had an addon running that announced if any vile spirit exploded |
| 02:43.33 | Zyn | we had a few wipes :3 |
| 02:43.34 | tem | yeah we have the same |
| 02:44.20 | Zyn | we had 9 wipes before we managed to do it |
| 02:44.34 | tem | yuck |
| 02:44.52 | Zyn | one explodes, and we all jump off the edge |
| 02:45.14 | tem | haha |
| 02:45.24 | tem | must be superb at the other phases by now |
| 02:52.54 | Zyn | had one LK 25h pull so far for shits and giggles, just to see what Shadow Trap does ... oh! there's one! I should try stand in! .. yahooooo I'm flyyyyyiiiiiiiiii*splat* |
| 02:52.57 | Zyn | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 02:53.05 | Zyn | in it* |
| 02:54.24 | Amarande | well |
| 02:54.33 | Amarande | that *is* how it's initially discovered whether stuff should be stood in or not :) |
| 02:54.54 | Amarande | you know, they should stop putting raids up on the PTR |
| 02:55.28 | Amarande | then people would actually have something to figure out strategies for once content hits |
| 02:55.48 | Amarande | as it is, too many raid bosses go to PTR first, top guilds spend time on the PTR and the strategy's all spelled out before it's even hit release :S |
| 02:56.02 | Dashkal | Yech, we get enough bugs on live as it is... |
| 02:56.15 | Lunessa | I'm all for letting other who seem better equipped to get there ahead of me let me know what's what in a raid fight. :) |
| 02:56.16 | Zyn | Mimiron was perfectly tuned on release ":D" |
| 02:56.19 | Amarande | Dashkal: maybe you should stop going to silithus :) |
| 02:56.45 | Dashkal | Amarande: *shudder* I actually have an issue with bugs. I stay out of that zone. |
| 02:56.47 | Zyn | no! wait! ...... M'URU |
| 02:57.00 | Zyn | @_@ |
| 02:57.20 | Amarande | btw, does that elite air elemental that appears weekly in northwest silithus always drop the SAME crafting plan? |
| 02:57.21 | Dashkal | Something about the grubs in those caves. Cartoony as it is. *shudder* |
| 02:57.29 | Amarande | I've fought it twice, and it's been the same one both times |
| 02:58.15 | Zyn | just like how the rare mob Volchan in Burning Steppes always drop plans for a shitty hammer |
| 02:58.34 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember if there's a few random plans from the elemental invasion bosses or if each drops a specific one every time |
| 02:58.41 | Amarande | also exactly where the other three *appear* |
| 02:58.49 | Amarande | I find the air one every week in Silithus, but I've never even seen the other 3 |
| 02:58.59 | Amarande | despite the fact that, say, Azshara is so deserted you'd think I'd always be able to nab that one |
| 02:59.04 | tem | Zyn, what does it do, actually? |
| 02:59.42 | Zyn | the shadow trap? oh it just knocks back anyone who touch it by a few hundred yards, which equals a certain death... |
| 03:00.06 | tem | mimiron was fucking awesome on realse |
| 03:00.09 | tem | release* |
| 03:01.51 | Kraps | why would a shammy tell me that CH heals for the same as HW? |
| 03:02.29 | Lunessa | Cause many people are notoriously bad at math. |
| 03:04.22 | Ackis | ~seen kd3 |
| 03:04.23 | purl | kd3 <~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4h 42m 3s ago, saying: 'it's a method to multibox, that'. |
| 03:04.24 | Ackis | PENIS |
| 03:04.30 | Ackis | I'm typing to you from a mock 5 PC! |
| 03:04.35 | Ackis | s/mock/mach/ |
| 03:04.37 | Ackis | lulz |
| 03:04.46 | Kraps | i think he was saying glyph of lhw was better than hw |
| 03:04.49 | Ackis | wanna hear something funny? |
| 03:05.21 | Kraps | but then he said something about CH.... |
| 03:05.23 | Ackis | I was watching law and order SVU and a victim's name was the same (first and last) as an ex-gf lol |
| 03:05.32 | Kraps | cant remember |
| 03:05.43 | Kraps | Ackis: did you assault her? |
| 03:05.51 | Ackis | nope |
| 03:05.55 | Ackis | she deserved it! |
| 03:05.56 | Ackis | well maybe not |
| 03:06.06 | Lunessa | kraps, there's basically 2 ways to heal as a resto shaman. LHW to trigger procs, or lots and lots of CH. |
| 03:06.39 | Kraps | what procs? |
| 03:06.46 | DWSR | Earthliving? |
| 03:06.49 | DWSR | I think? |
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| 03:07.21 | Lunessa | http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t17438-shaman_pve_healing_guide/ |
| 03:07.21 | Kraps | 20% chance ftl |
| 03:07.35 | DWSR | 1/5 isn't bad. |
| 03:07.50 | DWSR | also |
| 03:07.52 | DWSR | WTB better links. |
| 03:11.14 | kd3 | Ackis, pong. no worries, pass them along whenever. you can also point them directly at me (as that's how I got the list started in the first place) |
| 03:12.25 | Lunessa | Please note, that while I am an OK resto shaman, I'm really not intimately familiar with all aspects. i r teh dps lawl |
| 03:13.13 | Ackis | ty kd3 |
| 03:17.04 | WobWork | resto shamaning is keeping ES up on the tank |
| 03:17.08 | WobWork | LHWspamming |
| 03:17.14 | WobWork | and chainhealing the melee |
| 03:17.20 | WobWork | (and riptide on cooldown) |
| 03:17.30 | Lunessa | And lots of riptide. :) |
| 03:18.11 | WobWork | T10 2piece make riptide awesome |
| 03:18.33 | Lunessa | I only have 2 piece T10 for enhancement. |
| 03:19.02 | WobWork | T10 2pc gives haste on riptide |
| 03:20.08 | WobWork | 20% haste on next cast |
| 03:20.29 | Lunessa | pretty hawt |
| 03:20.54 | WobWork | shaman always get awesome set bonuses |
| 03:21.36 | Lunessa | The enhancement one is delicious. |
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| 03:27.12 | WobWork | wow, that is shiny |
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| 03:36.05 | kneeki | Hey all |
| 03:36.21 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out until tomorrow. I'll see you all then. Ciao. |
| 03:39.59 | kneeki | What API is used to determine the vendor price for items in the inventory of the player? I can find lots of buyback type of things, but nothing about item value (like selling greys) |
| 03:40.08 | kneeki | !api Price |
| 03:40.14 | kneeki | blegh |
| 03:40.40 | WobWork | have a look at DropTheCheapestThing |
| 03:40.43 | WobWork | or somesuch |
| 03:41.22 | Jerub | druid T10 bonuses are good |
| 03:44.31 | Jerub | actually 2T10 resto is suck, but 4T10 looks nice |
| 03:44.37 | Jerub | (rejuv can infect other raid members) |
| 03:44.45 | Jerub | 4T10 feral looks like the shit. |
| 03:44.48 | Jerub | extra barkskin |
| 03:46.24 | kneeki | ... ffs |
| 03:46.27 | kneeki | GetItemInfo() |
| 03:46.40 | kneeki | WobWork : Thanks |
| 03:47.48 | Kemayo | kneeki: There's probably lots of outdated info out there from when you had to scan vendors for it... but yeah, now it's just in GetItemInfo. |
| 03:48.15 | kneeki | mhmm |
| 03:54.46 | Adys | Shadowed: in git, how do i revert a specific file to its original state? |
| 03:54.53 | Adys | (its not in staging yet) |
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| 03:58.23 | Arrowmaster | git checkout -- FILE |
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| 04:24.16 | ccox | Sigh. network has been up and down today -- a fire downtown cut some fiber |
| 04:26.36 | kd3 | ouch |
| 04:26.44 | kd3 | a backhoe error but worse |
| 04:26.51 | ccox | yep |
| 04:27.14 | ccox | at least work wasn't down (3 redundant feeds, FTW) |
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| 04:55.33 | Shirik | WobWork: win |
| 04:55.41 | Shirik | I've done things like that before :) |
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| 05:20.26 | Thunder_Child | wait, what? |
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| 05:23.25 | Thunder_Child | if that was a serious attempt Shirik, it was abysmal |
| 05:23.42 | Shirik | obviously not :P |
| 05:24.05 | Thunder_Child | well it's possible, it did come out of left field |
| 05:24.33 | Shirik | he deserved it |
| 05:24.38 | Shirik | Cairenn will agree |
| 05:24.56 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:25.40 | Shadowed | Cairenn is too nice of a person to agree with such cruel and unusual punishment |
| 05:25.47 | Thunder_Child | despite whatever Cairenn might say, she is too nice for that |
| 05:25.56 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:26.09 | Thunder_Child | 2 to 1 Shirik, you lose |
| 05:26.13 | ccKirby | sup all, I'm kinda new to UI programming and I'm actually having some trouble figuring out how AnimationGroup / Animation widgets work... someone's played around with them and able to answer 1-2 questions? |
| 05:26.15 | Amarande | c'mon, you mean you didn't know that Cairenn is Melisande Shahrizai with a hair dye job? :D |
| 05:26.28 | Cairenn | laughs at Amarande |
| 05:26.44 | Cairenn | that is SO not me |
| 05:26.46 | Amarande | and you still need to join us at Terre d'Ange :D |
| 05:27.04 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 05:27.05 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 05:27.55 | ccKirby | well then... created a frame, created a texture - added an animation group with a simply transparent -> opaque over 5s animation, it plays and resets to its initial state.. which isn't exactly how I wanted it to behave |
| 05:28.53 | ccKirby | played around with OnFinished script-handler setting the alpha to 1 when the animationgroup finished, didn't quite work as expected I think -.- |
| 05:31.01 | Amarande | is an Adept of Nightblooming Cereus :D |
| 05:36.14 | ccKirby | back to the drawing board then ^.^ |
| 05:37.29 | Thunder_Child | i would point out that you never actually asked a question other then to ask a question |
| 05:37.58 | Thunder_Child | and while i can not help, you might want to check an addon that already does what you want and see how they did it |
| 05:38.48 | Iriel | The glyph frame has animations |
| 05:43.38 | ccKirby | the glyphUI doesn't seem to care that the frame positions reset after the animation completes since they just radiate out from the center all the time |
| 05:43.49 | ccKirby | I'm actually digging my way through powerauras to see how they've done it |
| 05:44.40 | ccKirby | but it looks like they're just playing a repeating animation that just sets alpha to 1 the whole time or something like that |
| 05:45.17 | ccKirby | works, ofc - but I'm looking for some more elegant ways first before I do such workarounds - thanks though |
| 05:45.36 | Iriel | You might want to check wowprogramming too |
| 05:45.55 | ccKirby | I did, thats where I got my basic stuff from |
| 05:46.37 | ccKirby | looking around, it looks like I'm not the only one thats a bit confused by that mechanic |
| 05:46.45 | ccKirby | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22739753857&postId=227376275168&sid=1#0 |
| 05:46.48 | WobWork | ccKirby: have a look at AfterDark |
| 05:46.58 | WobWork | I dunno if I managed it well |
| 05:47.03 | WobWork | but I faked it pretty good =P |
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| 05:48.20 | ccKirby | screenshot looks like breakfast ;) |
| 05:48.27 | ccKirby | thanks, gonna take a look |
| 05:48.38 | WobWork | it really dates players |
| 05:49.07 | WobWork | ie, if you remember the original implementation, you've been around a while =P |
| 05:49.47 | ccKirby | well, no :( |
| 05:50.21 | ccKirby | made a few small addons some years ago - but really not that much into the scene (yet?) |
| 05:50.27 | Thunder_Child | oooh, i'm impressed, the aero peek of itunes has commands on it |
| 05:51.06 | WobWork | ccKirby: nah, I mean for computers in general |
| 05:51.25 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: finally? |
| 05:51.27 | Thunder_Child | the flying toasters? |
| 05:51.31 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: yeah |
| 05:51.47 | Thunder_Child | WobWork: what do you mean finally? it's the first time i have seen that in any program |
| 05:52.02 | WobWork | It wasn't doing the commands for me the other day |
| 05:52.08 | WobWork | so I was hoping it was an update |
| 05:52.28 | WobWork | although maybe that was ultramon |
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| 05:52.49 | Thunder_Child | yea, that loses soemthing in the crossover |
| 05:52.49 | Shadowed | Antiarc ping |
| 05:52.57 | Antiarc | Pong |
| 06:00.29 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: the logo http://www.gamingforce.org/forums/ |
| 06:00.42 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 06:09.50 | awweaver | Hola |
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| 06:46.30 | Kraps | She fuckin hates me |
| 06:46.42 | Thunder_Child | we all do |
| 06:47.06 | Kraps | i appreciate it |
| 06:47.13 | Thunder_Child | i know |
| 06:47.40 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYE4CVhVkhw |
| 06:49.23 | msoul | Top of the morning lads |
| 06:50.12 | WobWork | and the rest of the day to ya |
| 06:50.19 | msoul | :) |
| 06:50.35 | msoul | WobWork: Yesterday was the luckiest day for me as a tank warrior |
| 06:51.10 | WobWork | you win a BiS? |
| 06:51.13 | msoul | WobWork: Went to ICC10 with my CoT shield and sword ilvl232... got the shield/mace and ring |
| 06:51.27 | msoul | WobWork: nah i wish but major upgrades from cot shield to icc10 one |
| 06:52.15 | msoul | heard one tank left the guild and they're having me under social joined cause 2 of my friends wanted me there |
| 06:52.19 | msoul | WobWork: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&cn=Rpbb |
| 06:52.40 | msoul | WobWork: I had the ring from Ony which is awesome ring was ilvl 232 though |
| 06:53.06 | msoul | WobWork: the dk was asking me to stop with me TPS :P |
| 06:55.08 | msoul | during the 5 mins break had to go to org buy mongoose |
| 06:55.20 | msoul | couldn't find blade ward/blood draining enchant |
| 06:56.36 | msoul | brb |
| 06:57.05 | Fisker | you're killing me WobWork |
| 06:57.15 | WobWork | It's a conspiracy |
| 06:57.39 | Thunder_Child | why didnt anyone invte me? |
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| 06:58.34 | router54 | Hey |
| 06:58.48 | Thunder_Child | Hello |
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| 06:59.36 | router54 | I'm tinkering with code that I may turn into an addon and I have need to parse user-inputted Lua scripts for all referenced globals (not using _G env). Can anyone point me to an addon that does anything similar (even parsing Lua in general) so I can get a good idea of how to go about it correctly? |
| 07:01.03 | Thunder_Child | closest think i can think of are in-game notepads |
| 07:01.14 | Thunder_Child | s/think/thing/ |
| 07:01.19 | router54 | Hmm |
| 07:01.21 | WobWork | like hack |
| 07:01.45 | router54 | Hack doesn't read the script though. It just loads it. |
| 07:02.40 | router54 | I guess I'll just go in head first and clean up the parsing when I catch my bugs |
| 07:04.20 | Thunder_Child | well anything that parses the edit box can, you would just prolly regex for the begning command...unless i am missing something |
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| 07:05.04 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzio |
| 07:05.04 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at zenzio |
| 07:05.12 | router54 | The scripts will be like LuaTexts in PitBull |
| 07:05.34 | Thunder_Child | so look at pitbull? |
| 07:05.40 | router54 | They work in an environment with cached values. I want them to be auto-updated when the cached values are, so I need to know which values they reference. |
| 07:05.59 | router54 | LuaTexts didn't bother doing that, it lets the user choose when to update the scripts |
| 07:09.30 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 07:10.47 | Thunder_Child | Fisker |
| 07:11.28 | Fisker | i'm not feeling so well Thunder_Child |
| 07:11.45 | Thunder_Child | too much trolling? |
| 07:12.28 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stye |
| 07:13.08 | Thunder_Child | ah, reading too much trolling |
| 07:13.12 | Thunder_Child | gotcha |
| 07:14.40 | Fisker | i'm not sure that's how it works |
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| 08:31.43 | router54 | Does anyone have a mirror to the addon kit? Blizz's link is broken. |
| 08:32.05 | router54 | Nevermind, it loaded |
| 08:32.06 | haste | checkout tekkub's github |
| 08:39.13 | olafski | blegh I can't read the disk that win7 partitioned for me in winxp.. can't even delete the partitions from it to repartition it |
| 08:42.15 | router54 | Does anyone know how debuglocals() works? I can't get it to return any value. |
| 08:50.22 | haste | router54: take a look at wowprogramming.com |
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| 09:08.03 | Kalroth | router54: send haste a private message asking him how it works |
| 09:08.22 | haste | wat |
| 09:08.34 | Kalroth | dunno it seemed like a good idea at the time |
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| 10:30.48 | Cide | hi |
| 10:34.00 | Cairenn | morning Cide |
| 10:36.34 | Cide | morning Cairenn |
| 10:44.47 | olafski | anyone know if they changed the dungeon finder to make BRD - Upper City start in the grim guzzler instead of at the start of BRD? |
| 10:48.00 | Legorol | :O |
| 10:48.03 | Zyn | if only |
| 10:48.04 | Legorol | why would they do that.. |
| 10:48.37 | olafski | they split it up into two parts, but both start at the beginning |
| 10:48.44 | olafski | one part has only one boss, the other requires you to go all the way to the end |
| 10:48.45 | Legorol | interesting |
| 10:48.56 | Legorol | which boss is the requiremenet for the "smaller" part? |
| 10:49.01 | olafski | the interrogator |
| 10:49.09 | olafski | with a proper group it takes about 5 minutes |
| 10:49.09 | Legorol | that makes sense |
| 10:49.14 | Zyn | because you're not informed what part you should do to get the satchel of spoils |
| 10:49.16 | Legorol | the thing about the grim guzzler is that you can't get there without the key |
| 10:49.32 | Legorol | Zyn: isn't that normally the endboss of the dungeon? |
| 10:49.35 | olafski | sure but you don't need the key to get to the emperor from the guzzler |
| 10:49.45 | Legorol | olafski: precisely my point |
| 10:49.47 | olafski | legorol: yeah, but you're put in BRD at the entrance and it's "gl" |
| 10:49.53 | Legorol | if they had changed it so that you DO start in guzzler, they are removing the key requirement |
| 10:50.13 | Zyn | and getting the key isn't the most obvious thing either |
| 10:50.14 | Legorol | olafski: BRD is an awesome instance. imo it's good that you get thrown in at the deep end and have to explore a bit ;P |
| 10:50.15 | olafski | it's either thaurissan or the interrogator, but you don't know which of the two will actually "finish" the run |
| 10:50.17 | Zyn | "oh yeah, you have to die" |
| 10:50.30 | olafski | legorol: sure, but splitting it up doesn't make much sense that way |
| 10:50.33 | Legorol | olafski: hold on, i might have misunderstood something |
| 10:50.47 | Legorol | you mean the tool picks an endboss at random, ports you in, and gives no indication? |
| 10:50.55 | Legorol | or you mean there are two ways to queue up now |
| 10:51.18 | olafski | no you understood that right |
| 10:51.24 | olafski | you can of course queue for one of them manually |
| 10:51.31 | olafski | but if you choose random dungeon, you'll never know which one you ended up in |
| 10:51.39 | olafski | (unless someone in your party did queue manually) |
| 10:51.42 | Legorol | but in the manual list there are two entries now? |
| 10:52.16 | Zyn | yes |
| 10:52.19 | Legorol | i see the problem now.. especially because whether to close the gate or not depends on which boss you are going for |
| 10:52.34 | Legorol | that's a bit silly ^^ |
| 10:52.35 | Zyn | but when entering through random dungeon, you are not told where to go |
| 10:52.49 | Legorol | so what's your proposed solution? |
| 10:53.34 | Legorol | is "BRD - Upper City" the emperor one? |
| 10:53.43 | Zyn | "The Glory of the Icecrown Raider (10 player) meta achievement no longer requires Neck-Deep in Vile to be completed. " |
| 10:53.45 | Legorol | i wonder if the tool makes sure there is at least one rogue or key holder for that one |
| 10:54.34 | olafski | upper city is the emperor one yaeh |
| 10:58.37 | DWSR | gg blz. |
| 10:58.56 | DWSR | People now ninja log out of heroics they don't like. |
| 11:03.18 | Matsy | olafski, you really are a genius |
| 11:03.19 | Matsy | :+ |
| 11:03.48 | olafski | I know |
| 11:03.50 | olafski | what for this time? =) |
| 11:03.58 | Matsy | Well, I bought the anti acid pills |
| 11:04.10 | Matsy | I didn't, but someone else did, but yeah |
| 11:04.13 | Matsy | And I took them |
| 11:04.19 | Matsy | And well, it's almost completely gone now |
| 11:07.53 | olafski | good to hear it =) |
| 11:07.58 | olafski | those pills don't work for me =( |
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| 11:34.16 | DWSR | WTB your mounts all moving the same as the fastest mount you own in a category. |
| 11:36.43 | Ycarene | is there a way to troubleshoot addons that lock up wow during login short of disabling each addon individually and killing and restarting the application? |
| 11:37.17 | DWSR | Ycarene: Have you been getting that problem since the patch? |
| 11:37.33 | Ycarene | Yeah, if I disable all of them, log in, then re-enable them, it works. |
| 11:37.50 | DWSR | Pastie an addon list, please? |
| 11:38.13 | Ycarene | k |
| 11:40.15 | Matsy | More Death Knight bugs :< |
| 11:40.20 | DWSR | ? |
| 11:40.21 | Matsy | Never going out of combat is annoying |
| 11:40.30 | DWSR | I don't have that problem on my dk |
| 11:40.35 | Ycarene | http://pastebin.com/ZBU7B3rv |
| 11:40.41 | Matsy | It only happens in the starting area, DWSR |
| 11:40.43 | Matsy | On a single quest ;p |
| 11:40.54 | DWSR | oh, yeah yeah. |
| 11:40.58 | DWSR | I know the one that you're talking about |
| 11:41.24 | Matsy | And.. there seems to be no way to fix it |
| 11:41.25 | DanielAstbury | I always get bugs with my death night....bloodworms |
| 11:41.36 | olafski | ha-ha :P |
| 11:41.59 | DanielAstbury | :) |
| 11:42.17 | Matsy | Bleh, gotta make a ticket, then |
| 11:42.32 | olafski | just relog? |
| 11:42.42 | Matsy | Did that already |
| 11:42.47 | olafski | still in combat? oO |
| 11:42.49 | Matsy | Yeah ;p |
| 11:42.55 | olafski | hmm |
| 11:43.14 | olafski | which quest is it? my gf did the starting area last week without issues |
| 11:43.19 | foxlit | go die, np |
| 11:43.22 | Matsy | The taxi service also says something about 'You are busy and can't use the taxi service now' |
| 11:43.29 | Matsy | Should be the last quest, olafski |
| 11:43.29 | Matsy | ;p |
| 11:43.35 | Matsy | An end to all things |
| 11:43.37 | Matsy | How can I die? |
| 11:43.58 | olafski | no idea |
| 11:43.58 | foxlit | Run into some nearby mobs |
| 11:44.01 | Torhal | My awesome bug with 3.3.3 is that reloading the UI causes wow to lose network connectivity. |
| 11:44.11 | Ycarene | DWSR Anything in there that looks wrong? |
| 11:44.38 | Matsy | There are no mobs at Acherus |
| 11:44.43 | Matsy | unfortunately |
| 11:44.48 | DWSR | Torhal: That's not just you |
| 11:44.50 | DWSR | Torhal: That's everyone. |
| 11:44.55 | DWSR | At least, it's happening to me as well. |
| 11:45.04 | foxlit | Ah, so you can't fly down from there |
| 11:45.10 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 11:45.11 | foxlit | Sigh, I still remember the teleporters. |
| 11:45.52 | DWSR | Ycarene: I'm just trying to figure out what addons we have in common. |
| 11:45.57 | DWSR | Narrow down the culprit. |
| 11:46.14 | Ycarene | DWSR - Ahh |
| 11:47.16 | Matsy | Guess there's no way to fix it, then |
| 11:47.20 | Ycarene | DWSR - I think I may have found a workaround. |
| 11:47.25 | Matsy | Maybe a reloadui works;p |
| 11:47.50 | Ycarene | DWSR - Just need to log in with all my addons off, log off, log in with my addons on, log out and exit the game and then it seems to work. |
| 11:48.30 | Torhal | DWSR: Makes AddOn development challenging. |
| 11:48.42 | DWSR | Ycarene, hrm. I'll try that. |
| 11:48.57 | Ycarene | DWSR - you having the same issue? |
| 11:49.25 | Matsy | Wooo |
| 11:49.26 | Matsy | I fixed it |
| 11:49.39 | DWSR | Ycarene: Yes. |
| 11:51.13 | DWSR | Torhal: I can imagine. |
| 11:51.23 | DWSR | Perhaps it's a sign? :P |
| 11:53.18 | Matsy | I can just reload my UI.. without problem? |
| 11:53.20 | Matsy | *problems |
| 11:53.45 | olafski | me too matsy :) |
| 11:56.37 | DWSR | !api CombatLog |
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| 12:18.04 | DWSR | ~wowalert |
| 12:18.05 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 12:24.07 | DWSR | Anyone know what the shutdowns are for? |
| 12:25.05 | Torhal | Hopefully to hiotfix this bullshit |
| 12:25.32 | DWSR | Have there been stability issues that anyone's noticed (other than the aforementioned broken /reloadui)? |
| 12:26.15 | DWSR | People were bitching about lag spikes in Trade. |
| 12:26.18 | DWSR | And I was like...lag spikes? |
| 12:26.25 | DWSR | I'm running at like 60ms and it's responsive as hell. |
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| 12:31.15 | Ycarene | Did that work DWSR? |
| 12:32.52 | Matsy | Wow, this realm is awesome, I found a mage that was willing to make a portal to Dalaran. |
| 12:33.20 | Maldivia | free of charge? |
| 12:33.43 | Matsy | Yes! |
| 12:34.00 | Matsy | I just started my char, on a fresh realm |
| 12:34.06 | Gagorian | Matsy: It's a scam |
| 12:34.11 | Gagorian | He'll steal your account |
| 12:34.29 | Matsy | I'm already in Dalaran, actually! |
| 12:34.36 | Gagorian | Then it's already too late... |
| 12:34.47 | Matsy | oh.. shit. |
| 12:34.51 | Matsy | hugs his authenticator |
| 12:34.58 | Maldivia | it's not dalaran, it's the secret place where they steal all your things |
| 12:35.14 | DWSR | that's not what they do in that secret place. |
| 12:35.17 | Matsy | This is all a fraud, oh noes! |
| 12:35.19 | Maldivia | Matsy: class/race/gender/level ? |
| 12:35.30 | Matsy | Pfsh. |
| 12:35.33 | DWSR | a/s/l? |
| 12:35.50 | DWSR | owait. |
| 12:35.51 | Legorol | DWSR: wrong. |
| 12:35.55 | Matsy | Death Knight, Draenei, Female, 58, 19, Male, The Netherlands. |
| 12:36.02 | Maldivia | hehe :) |
| 12:36.06 | Legorol | a/s/l/GS <- fixt for you |
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| 12:36.23 | Matsy | hahaha, Legorol;p |
| 12:36.40 | DWSR | lol |
| 12:36.48 | Maldivia | Legorol: not arrange it in order of importance :P |
| 12:37.00 | DWSR | s/l/a/gs |
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| 12:37.17 | zenzio | to be fair, I think it'd be more accurate to just ask s/GS |
| 12:37.51 | DWSR | s/l/gs? |
| 12:37.59 | Matsy | Hm. |
| 12:38.02 | zenzio | location and age is unimportant in an MMO |
| 12:38.03 | DWSR | location is important |
| 12:38.18 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 12:38.23 | Matsy | My realm is infested with czech players. |
| 12:38.32 | DWSR | if she's female, i wanna know if i should put out the smooveb vibe. |
| 12:38.34 | Maldivia | higher GS just means more to take off? |
| 12:38.42 | Matsy | smooveb? ;p |
| 12:38.52 | DWSR | SmooveB* |
| 12:38.53 | DWSR | And yes. |
| 12:38.56 | DWSR | gtmf. |
| 12:39.06 | Matsy | What is SmooveB? ;p |
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| 12:39.31 | zenzio | Mr. T pities the fools who don't dare hit on a female character just because there's a guy playing it |
| 12:39.42 | DWSR | Matsy: You don't know SmooveB? |
| 12:39.54 | zenzio | neither do I |
| 12:39.58 | Matsy | I can't say I do, no |
| 12:40.04 | DWSR | good christ. |
| 12:40.11 | Matsy | Am I missing out? ;p |
| 12:40.14 | olafski | matsy: which realm? (and EU or US?) |
| 12:40.15 | DWSR | I don't have the script around anywhere. |
| 12:40.45 | DWSR | http://www.theonion.com/articles/let-smoove-rock-your-body-and-world,16334/ |
| 12:41.27 | DWSR | His name was Smoove (last initial was B.) |
| 12:41.28 | Matsy | Dragonblight, and Europe, olafski;p |
| 12:41.42 | Matsy | But, the one with all the czech (My main realm) is Burning Blade ;p |
| 12:41.47 | DWSR | That article pretty much sums it up. |
| 12:41.58 | Matsy | Okay, I'll look at it ;p |
| 12:42.08 | olafski | good choice matsy, that's my main server =) |
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| 12:42.28 | Matsy | Which one? |
| 12:42.33 | olafski | dragonblight (alliance) |
| 12:42.33 | Matsy | Dragonblight? |
| 12:42.38 | Matsy | Also on Europe? |
| 12:42.43 | olafski | though lately I've been playing a horde on turalyon, since I couldn't roll any more chars on DB |
| 12:42.46 | olafski | yeah |
| 12:42.51 | Matsy | Wow. |
| 12:42.53 | Matsy | What a coincidence |
| 12:42.55 | olafski | :) |
| 12:43.13 | DWSR | We should poll all of the users in this channel and see what realms they play on. |
| 12:43.22 | DWSR | I feel like no one here is from my realm. |
| 12:43.48 | zenzio | maybe it's no coincidence that none are on your realm |
| 12:44.03 | DWSR | Are you implying that my realm is full of bads? |
| 12:44.05 | DWSR | Because you're right. |
| 12:44.20 | olafski | I don't think that's what he was implying |
| 12:44.27 | zenzio | I was suggesting everyone avoided you |
| 12:44.34 | olafski | :) |
| 12:44.37 | Matsy | I am not expecting to find anyone from Burning Blade as well ;p |
| 12:45.16 | olafski | are you "transfering" or just playing DB on the side matsy? =) |
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| 12:46.27 | Matsy | I might be transfering, actually |
| 12:46.34 | olafski | coo' :) |
| 12:46.37 | Matsy | Just trying to get a test character to level 80 first. |
| 12:46.42 | Matsy | To see what the realm is about |
| 12:46.46 | DWSR | Fack |
| 12:46.47 | olafski | hence why you rolled a DK I guess |
| 12:46.52 | Matsy | Yeah ;p |
| 12:46.53 | DWSR | I have a toon stuck in my head and I can't get it out.\ |
| 12:46.59 | Matsy | I don't generally like DKs |
| 12:47.03 | olafski | aww :( |
| 12:47.04 | olafski | DKs are great |
| 12:47.05 | Matsy | But its a good way to get the feeling |
| 12:47.05 | DWSR | and it's a mashup, so I can't find it anywhere and I can't find the mix it's in. |
| 12:47.11 | DWSR | Matsy: DKs are fantastic. |
| 12:47.20 | olafski | dwsr: describe the tune =) |
| 12:47.22 | DWSR | Easily the best energy resource out of all of them. |
| 12:48.08 | Taroven | Define "best". |
| 12:48.21 | DWSR | s/best/most enjoyable/ |
| 12:48.31 | Taroven | There we go. =P |
| 12:48.59 | olafski | yeah I like runes |
| 12:49.08 | DWSR | olafski: It's an acapella over an instrumental. |
| 12:49.10 | olafski | takes a bit of getting used to, to have 2 resources though |
| 12:49.14 | olafski | oh. that'll be tough :P |
| 12:49.20 | DWSR | olafski: Instrumental is "Booka Shade - In White Rooms" |
| 12:49.31 | DWSR | But I don't know the acapella. |
| 12:49.41 | DWSR | It's a female singing about "Goodbye to your yellow brick road" |
| 12:50.07 | DWSR | I can't even find the song name anywhere. |
| 12:50.14 | DWSR | All I get is hits for .Elton John |
| 12:50.24 | DWSR | THIS IS PISSING ME OFF |
| 12:50.26 | olafski | yeah me too.. odd |
| 12:50.53 | olafski | wow, billy jean is quite popular in the mashups isn't it =9 |
| 12:51.35 | DWSR | AH GOT THE ACAPELLA |
| 12:51.42 | DWSR | Julie McKnight - Home |
| 12:52.07 | olafski | http://www51.zippyshare.com/v/43887529/file.html ? |
| 12:52.22 | DWSR | AH, I know what mix it's in nmow too |
| 12:52.24 | DWSR | I think |
| 12:52.45 | olafski | just started the venomhide ravasaur quest.. seems a lot nicer than the alliance equivalent |
| 12:52.54 | olafski | though I should someday get started on that alliance version too =9 |
| 12:52.58 | olafski | =(* ffs |
| 12:53.05 | DWSR | olafski: Thanks a lot. |
| 12:53.09 | DWSR | olafski: It was really pissing me off. |
| 12:53.25 | DWSR | Because it's a wicked toon. You listened to it? |
| 12:55.32 | olafski | am listening to the preview now.. not bad |
| 12:55.46 | DWSR | I KNEW THAT FUCKING VOIC TOO |
| 12:55.48 | DWSR | GOD DAMNIT |
| 12:55.58 | DWSR | I totally knew the singer. |
| 12:56.01 | DWSR | Fuck me. |
| 12:56.07 | DWSR | I'm listening to the mix it's in. |
| 12:59.14 | olafski | matsy: dragonblight is not a bad realm btw.. especially the guild called Slackers rocks |
| 13:00.30 | Matsy | Slackers? |
| 13:00.36 | Matsy | No one is online from that realm, as it seems |
| 13:00.50 | Matsy | *that guild |
| 13:03.13 | olafski | no, it's a one man guild ;) |
| 13:03.30 | Matsy | What, a one man guild? ;p |
| 13:03.35 | olafski | yes |
| 13:03.37 | Matsy | Is it your guild? |
| 13:03.56 | olafski | aye =) |
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| 13:04.07 | olafski | am online now |
| 13:07.02 | DWSR | olafski: Thanks btw |
| 13:07.07 | DWSR | I'm glad I got that out of my head |
| 13:08.03 | olafski | hrhr |
| 13:08.12 | olafski | I have Little Green Bag in my head :P |
| 13:13.14 | olafski | hm there's "Objectives (1)" under my mini map, with a greyed out arrow.. can't find what I'm tracking :/ |
| 13:15.20 | Cide | you're tracking failure clearly |
| 13:21.33 | DWSR | Anyone in here tried the Hammerhead DLC for ME2? |
| 13:33.04 | Fisker | yes |
| 13:36.20 | Taroven | DWSR: Not yet. |
| 13:37.07 | Taroven | Sigh... guess it's about time I tested out that new statusbar anchoring crap so I can play Hack the Addons. |
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| 13:37.31 | Taroven | loads up Ye Olde Test Addon. |
| 13:37.57 | Fisker | wtf is gxApi "swntl"? |
| 13:38.06 | Fisker | software? :P |
| 13:38.11 | Fisker | that would suck |
| 13:38.38 | Taroven | I'd assume yes. |
| 13:38.48 | Taroven | And yeah, that would. |
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| 13:40.09 | Fisker | i'm going to try for the lulz |
| 13:40.57 | Fisker | aww |
| 13:41.01 | Fisker | didn't do anything noticable |
| 13:42.21 | Fisker | oh |
| 13:42.26 | Fisker | looks like Blizzard disabled it |
| 13:42.30 | Fisker | just automatically changes it back |
| 13:49.26 | Taroven | Fisker: Have you messed around with the new statusbar behavior yet? |
| 13:50.54 | foxlit | Taroven: you've gone mad. |
| 13:50.57 | foxlit | I'm very sorry. |
| 13:51.17 | Taroven | foxlit: I've only been awake for 30 hours... |
| 13:51.28 | Taroven | How have I gone mad this time? =P |
| 13:51.54 | foxlit | You asked Fisker, of all people, about messing around with stuff that cannot be used for forum trolling |
| 13:52.06 | Taroven | Excellent point. |
| 13:53.51 | Fisker | what statusbar? |
| 13:55.23 | Taroven | Apparently Blizz changed how anchoring works with statusbar frames. I'm in the middle of trying to figure out how I can use it to my advantage, but it's so much quicker to assume someone else knows and just ask between reloaduis. =P |
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| 14:05.39 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 14:05.43 | DWSR | That's extremely odd. |
| 14:05.51 | DWSR | Bartender got reset. |
| 14:05.56 | DWSR | But nothing else in my UI did. |
| 14:06.11 | Cide | bartenders shouldn't be coders clearly |
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| 14:06.57 | Arathros | happy st. pat day. wasnt that a while ago now ;P |
| 14:07.20 | Cide | in here, every day is st. patrick's day |
| 14:07.33 | Arathros | no wonder I'm chronically drunk |
| 14:09.25 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/25/funny-pictures-wifs-u/ |
| 14:09.59 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. Poor kitty. |
| 14:10.34 | Arathros | aaaw |
| 14:11.05 | Arathros | whats up withthe comments on that site lol |
| 14:11.10 | Arathros | 90% unreadable ;P |
| 14:11.19 | zenzio | One does not simply read comments on ICHC. |
| 14:11.42 | Arathros | well i read comments on youtube and wow crap for a good laugh over how to destroy a language |
| 14:11.53 | Lopeppeppy | Lowers your IQ by like 10 points per comment. |
| 14:13.43 | Arathros | i know.. I'm dumber than dry cardboard lol |
| 14:14.52 | Arathros | i like the mini me one |
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| 14:21.33 | DWSR | hrm. |
| 14:21.37 | DWSR | I think I'm specing my DK tank/tank. |
| 14:21.44 | DWSR | OH GOD. |
| 14:21.45 | DWSR | DO I DO EET? |
| 14:22.08 | Lopeppeppy | Um, why? Can you not just choose the tank spec you work best with? |
| 14:22.22 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: DK tanking specs do better at different things. |
| 14:22.30 | nevcairiel | my warrior is specced tank/tank |
| 14:22.36 | DWSR | Blood has the best EH, Frost has the best threat/avoidance, UH is the best magic tank. |
| 14:22.39 | nevcairiel | the one tank spec is more or less a solo prot spec |
| 14:22.42 | DWSR | nevcairiel: btw, I no can has google voice. |
| 14:23.00 | DWSR | I think it was you that sent me the invite, anyway. |
| 14:23.11 | DWSR | Google Voice isn't allowed in Canada. |
| 14:23.17 | DWSR | Not bacony enough, or something |
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| 14:23.35 | Arathros | denmark should be on the top of that list.. home of bacon ;P |
| 14:23.49 | DWSR | hrm. |
| 14:23.53 | DWSR | I GUESS ITS TIME TO SPEC TANK TANK |
| 14:23.55 | DWSR | RAWR |
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| 14:25.07 | DWSR | Autobots, roll out! |
| 14:25.07 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:25.12 | DWSR | Morning kneeki |
| 14:28.09 | kneeki | Note to self: Do not test code which auto vendors greys on your main character before dumping your valuables in the bank... *opens ticket* |
| 14:28.39 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, kneeki. *hug* Couldn't you buy back from the vendor? |
| 14:29.01 | kneeki | I think I got it all, but I'm not sure |
| 14:29.03 | DWSR | probably sold more than 10 things. |
| 14:29.04 | DWSR | :P |
| 14:29.09 | kneeki | ^ |
| 14:29.28 | kneeki | Luckily, kept all my non vendorable PVP gear. |
| 14:29.30 | kneeki | lol |
| 14:30.28 | Taroven | Okay, I could have SWORN Blizz added a way to anchor a frame directly to the end of a statusbar in 3.3.3... |
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| 14:39.42 | Ackis | anyone going to Pax East? |
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| 14:41.27 | foxlit | "Varian Wrynn now properly wields one blade instead of two." << qq! |
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| 14:43.15 | Kaso | he specced out of fury |
| 14:43.45 | DWSR | Why? |
| 14:43.49 | DWSR | Why can't he dual wield? |
| 14:43.54 | DWSR | His weapons are 1 handers. |
| 14:44.05 | DWSR | foxlit: Where do you see that, btw? |
| 14:44.12 | Shirik | (10:43:06) (Kaso) he specced out of fury |
| 14:44.13 | foxlit | wiki |
| 14:44.17 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Varian_in_Stormwind.jpg |
| 14:44.23 | foxlit | Can check out the file history, too |
| 14:44.26 | Lopeppeppy | Players pay attention. |
| 14:44.54 | Arathros | ok you got the attention |
| 14:44.58 | Arathros | now wat you wanna see |
| 14:45.00 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 14:45.13 | Arathros | say |
| 14:45.14 | Arathros | sorry |
| 14:45.16 | krka | must be pretty paranoid if he stands around all day in his own castle with sword drawn |
| 14:45.17 | DWSR | It looks like the sword he's using got a bit of a size boost. |
| 14:45.27 | krka | DWSR: that's what she said |
| 14:45.30 | DWSR | krka: :D |
| 14:45.34 | Arathros | and a sharp stone gone wrong ;P |
| 14:45.45 | foxlit | Could be the camera angle |
| 14:46.00 | Arathros | lol camera adds 10 pounds.. thats why the guys have so big.. you know ;P |
| 14:46.09 | DWSR | Arathros: Love handles? |
| 14:46.23 | foxlit | But meh, people taking screenshots should turn on AA |
| 14:46.28 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 14:46.28 | Arathros | tits and boobs and honkey tonker |
| 14:48.21 | Ackis | honkey tonker? |
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| 14:49.46 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/110.jpg |
| 14:50.16 | Adys | not bad |
| 14:50.45 | Ackis | oh God, you've just given me something to OCD about |
| 14:51.51 | Taroven | "In 3.3.3, the StatusBar's texture actually gets resized instead of just having its TexCoords manipulated, so you could anchor your overhealing bar to the right side of that and only need to adjust the width." - That statement is driving me up a wall, since it implies that I can do neat things with statusbars that weren't possible before, yet I can't seem to find anything to support it through my testing... |
| 14:52.04 | Taroven | Citation needed. -.- |
| 14:52.26 | Thrae | I was surprised when they just removed that function without a handy replacement. |
| 14:52.46 | Thrae | I thought the whole philosophy was based around backwards compatibility into the Everquest days. |
| 14:52.57 | nevcairiel | they removed that part of the UI renderer |
| 14:53.00 | nevcairiel | probably had some issues |
| 14:53.13 | nevcairiel | the statusbars used that functionality too, fwiw |
| 14:53.29 | Taroven | Sadface. |
| 14:53.40 | Taroven | That would've made things so much easier on me, |
| 14:53.47 | Taroven | s/,/./ |
| 14:53.55 | foxlit | They have a replacement, iirc. |
| 14:53.56 | nevcairiel | try to anchor stuff to bar:GetStatusBarTexture() |
| 14:53.58 | foxlit | It just does not work. |
| 14:54.09 | nevcairiel | note, secure stuff cannot be anchored to textuers/fontstrings |
| 14:54.17 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Yeah, but no alternative? I think they would have an alternative, and it seems odd they just didn't make a wrapper. |
| 14:54.22 | foxlit | er, wrong issue. |
| 14:54.33 | nevcairiel | you can actually replace it |
| 14:54.42 | nevcairiel | just needs a slightly different approach |
| 14:54.46 | nevcairiel | so a wrapper isnt viable |
| 14:55.04 | Thrae | But we have polymorphism! |
| 14:55.12 | Taroven | nevcairiel: HOLY CRAP THANK YOU |
| 14:55.21 | Thrae | It's those damn Mage nerfs. |
| 14:55.33 | Thrae | No one cares about the sheep these days. It's all about AoE. |
| 14:55.42 | foxlit | On the contrary. |
| 14:55.51 | foxlit | I find your polymorphed penguins adorable. |
| 14:56.08 | Thrae | My penguins? I play a Druid. I laugh at polymorph. |
| 14:56.10 | Taroven | Clarification: Anchoring to bar:GetStatusBarTexture(), no matter how inane it sounds, works like a charm. |
| 14:56.17 | Lopeppeppy | I remember when no one cared about a mage's DPS, if they could keep their sheep. |
| 14:56.17 | foxlit | (There's also a matter of how to handle Deathwhisper's MC) |
| 14:56.19 | Taroven | I'm kinda curious though. |
| 14:56.27 | nevcairiel | Taroven: why insane? its the first thing i woulved tried |
| 14:56.30 | DWSR | foxlit: Fear. |
| 14:56.34 | Taroven | Inane, not insane. =P |
| 14:56.40 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 14:56.42 | foxlit | DWSR: Cyclone for us |
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| 14:56.51 | foxlit | but yes, Fear is also nice. |
| 14:56.54 | nevcairiel | even inane its not :P |
| 14:57.06 | nevcairiel | thats the statusbar texture |
| 14:57.11 | Thrae | foxlit: She does something different in higher ICC tiers? I don't remember her having MC in ICC-10 Normal. |
| 14:57.14 | nevcairiel | and you talked about anchoring to it |
| 14:57.17 | nevcairiel | so .. obvious :D |
| 14:57.32 | foxlit | Thrae: the heroic MC will kill people if you don't CC them. |
| 14:57.45 | foxlit | I'm not sure whether she does it in 25-normal |
| 14:57.45 | Taroven | nevcairiel: Not something I would've thought to try, since GetStatusBarTexture() just returns a string with the texturepath, iirc. |
| 14:57.52 | nevcairiel | no, it doesnt |
| 14:57.54 | nevcairiel | the texture object |
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| 14:57.59 | Taroven | That's awesome. |
| 14:58.13 | Taroven | I'll have to do some hackage now. |
| 14:58.18 | nevcairiel | setstatusbartexture takes a string |
| 14:58.22 | nevcairiel | and get* returns the objects |
| 14:58.28 | foxlit | Ah |
| 14:58.28 | nevcairiel | its the same on alot of other cases |
| 14:58.34 | Taroven | That makes an amazing amount of sense. |
| 14:58.39 | foxlit | You get 0 MCs in 10N, 1 in 10H and 25N, and 3 in 25H |
| 14:58.39 | Thrae | foxlit: Yeah I think it's a changed behavior, I've fought her a few times in the past month and just this morning literally. She doesn't MC, just heavy damage Frost spells. |
| 14:58.46 | Thrae | Ah |
| 14:59.34 | foxlit | Weird that 10-heroic ghost explosion isn't an AoE, while 25-heroic is. |
| 14:59.58 | Thrae | They want to change the way healing is needed? |
| 15:00.01 | Ackis | I have a 1 man ghost explosion is I drink milk |
| 15:00.12 | Thrae | Ackis: That doesn't even make sense. |
| 15:00.29 | foxlit | Dunno. It's make more sense the other way, perhaps. |
| 15:00.40 | Ackis | Thrae: yes it does! |
| 15:00.43 | foxlit | Since on 10 you can actually spread rather easily, so it'd make sense to penalize you for failing to do so. |
| 15:00.52 | Thrae | Anyway, I'm still mad at Blizzard @ Druid and Warrior Tanks. |
| 15:01.03 | Ackis | my xbox play streak is 117 days |
| 15:01.21 | Thrae | We couldn't clear Festerface because we had two Druid Tanks. Damn Blobs. |
| 15:01.56 | foxlit | What about Rotgut? |
| 15:02.17 | nevcairiel | rotgut is easy enough with any kind of tanks |
| 15:02.22 | Taroven | Thrae: How does having two Druid tanks mean automatic wipe? |
| 15:02.38 | foxlit | [The problem is that it's Festergut and Rotface] |
| 15:02.40 | DWSR | Taroven: Lack of avoidance? |
| 15:02.43 | Thrae | Oh at that point we were just tired of wiping on Festergut and lost the buff, so saved the raid ID until tomorrow so we could do the Weekly. |
| 15:02.51 | nevcairiel | foxlit: of course, but anyone can use the real names |
| 15:03.02 | Taroven | DWSR: Good point. |
| 15:03.04 | Thrae | Taroven: It doesn't mean automatic wipe, it just means Fester is a lot harder if the OT is a Druid or Warrior |
| 15:03.20 | foxlit | Fester... inhale? |
| 15:03.24 | foxlit | And no blobs? |
| 15:03.44 | foxlit | Can't remember which is called which :( |
| 15:03.50 | Thrae | Festergut and Rotface, I call them Festerface |
| 15:04.08 | Thrae | You know he's Festergut because he spews the slime |
| 15:04.34 | Thrae | Anyway, Festergut is the fight with the blobs, which requires a lot of ranged aggro control...and Druids and Warriors are the worst at that |
| 15:04.41 | foxlit | Hm. I think we use a druid on the slime there, maybe. |
| 15:04.59 | Thrae | Yeah, it just needs a lot of delicacy that no other fight really prepares you for. |
| 15:05.15 | DWSR | Thrae: You're thinking rotface. |
| 15:05.24 | Taroven | Thrae: I'd say a warrior is quite a lot worse on range threat, considering a Druid can at least FFF spam. |
| 15:05.25 | DWSR | Thrae: And we cleared that with a druid OT the first time. |
| 15:05.25 | Thrae | DWSR: Whatever, Festerface |
| 15:05.41 | DWSR | Druids > Warriors because of self heals + FFF spam. |
| 15:05.47 | Taroven | In fact, I'd almost say a druid is best for slime kiter. |
| 15:05.55 | Taroven | (if not for DKs being OP on that) |
| 15:06.01 | Thrae | DWSR: I didn't say it couldn't be done, I said it was *harder* |
| 15:06.15 | Thrae | Taroven: Nah, for us it's Pallies being OP, partly due to Blessing of Freedom |
| 15:06.38 | Matsy | <3 |
| 15:06.40 | Taroven | Mmm. |
| 15:06.40 | Matsy | Paladins. |
| 15:06.41 | Thrae | We normally clear Rot...Festerface with a Pally OT |
| 15:07.00 | Thrae | But we're not a raiding guild, we're a raiding clique |
| 15:07.14 | DanielAstbury | I've been leveling my pally as prot, and been loving pulling 10 or so my-level mobs and burning them down |
| 15:07.40 | DanielAstbury | as well as soloing anything i've come accross so far, but i've not touched 58+ yet |
| 15:07.58 | Matsy | You'll be solo almost everything, DanielAstbury, even at 58+ ;p |
| 15:08.01 | Thrae | I don't say tanking has to be EZ-MODE for all tanks, I just think Druids and Warriors need one more ranged AoE threat component |
| 15:08.15 | DanielAstbury | hehe Matsy |
| 15:08.36 | Thrae | My suggestion -- Demo Roar/Shout scales with attack power on threat applied for the initial application of the debuff |
| 15:08.42 | DanielAstbury | also, when boosting or killing so many mobs i have a proactically unlimited mana supply |
| 15:08.56 | DanielAstbury | practially* |
| 15:08.58 | Matsy | That's what I have as a holy paladin as well ;p |
| 15:09.02 | Matsy | I'm never below 30k mana. |
| 15:09.09 | Matsy | Even in raids :+ |
| 15:09.13 | DanielAstbury | :) |
| 15:09.28 | Thrae | Matsy: I'm finding that on my Druid rolling Rejuv. with the right equipment |
| 15:09.31 | DanielAstbury | I can't wait to get to 80 |
| 15:09.45 | Thrae | Epheremal Snowflake <3 |
| 15:09.51 | Matsy | Yesh <3 |
| 15:23.04 | Nechckn | winks ever-so-slyly in Cairenn's general direction before dashing off to solve some crazy technomystery! |
| 15:24.46 | Gnarfoz | trips up Nechckn |
| 15:25.01 | Taroven | Hm, I think I just broke oUF_Healcomm4. =P |
| 15:27.59 | Ackis | anyone with a wow account feel like making a post for me? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=26146637 <-- make a post asking about judging/TO's and what's happening with them please |
| 15:28.29 | durcyn | Ackis: no |
| 15:28.55 | Ackis | and apparently blizzcon dates have been announced: http://kotaku.com/5501915/ |
| 15:29.24 | Shadowed | blizzcon/! |
| 15:30.20 | Ackis | odds of me going <5% |
| 15:30.31 | Shadowed | ack :| |
| 15:30.33 | Shadowed | October |
| 15:31.19 | Shadowed | and the week of midterms nevertheless |
| 15:31.33 | Shadowed | That'll be fun to get out of |
| 15:31.43 | Ackis | just say you're getting married |
| 15:31.47 | Matsy | Hm, it's too hard to sell 264 BoEs :( |
| 15:31.50 | Elkano | Shadowed, any idea why EG shows wrong data for my char in the raid overview but correct in the char view? raid keeps showing data from my other spec :/ |
| 15:32.23 | Shadowed | no reason it should |
| 15:33.17 | Elkano | well, it does :/ |
| 15:33.27 | Shadowed | good idea Ackis |
| 15:33.51 | Elkano | even after updating everyone in the instance |
| 15:34.07 | Shadowed | reloading would be the fastest way to double check if it's a state or some other issue |
| 15:35.15 | Ackis | Shadowed: my sister got out of exams using that excuse... but it was her wedding. :P |
| 15:35.19 | Elkano | well, I changed spec before the last login so it already persisted over a reload |
| 15:35.26 | Shadowed | weird Elkano |
| 15:35.36 | Shadowed | So you're saying I'll have to marry you Ackis? |
| 15:35.40 | Thrae | Elkano: I always thought you played a Hunter at one point. |
| 15:35.53 | Elkano | no, I don't ^^ |
| 15:35.55 | Shadowed | Elkano: When you say it keeps showing data, you mean equipment data? |
| 15:35.59 | Ackis | Shadowed: are you proposing? |
| 15:36.06 | Thrae | Shadowed is a Rogue in my mind, Elkano is a Hunter. It's the "Elk". |
| 15:36.07 | Elkano | yeah, ilevel and percentages |
| 15:36.08 | Shadowed | possibly, possibly |
| 15:36.15 | Shadowed | haha Thrae |
| 15:36.19 | Shadowed | Elkano weird hang on |
| 15:36.20 | Ackis | I'll need flowers and a ring first before I say yes! :P |
| 15:36.26 | Thrae | Shadowed could be a Shadow Priest too. They're both bastards. |
| 15:36.33 | Shadowed | Not even alcohol? Cheap date |
| 15:36.37 | Shadowed | Druid actually |
| 15:36.55 | krka | Thrae is either a druid (tree) or a warrior (can't spell three) |
| 15:37.24 | Ackis | hehe |
| 15:37.26 | Thrae | OP bastards, and in cohoots. You know what a Rogue does when they meet a Shadow Priest and visa-versa? They run the F away, they don't want to get either of their OPness on each other |
| 15:37.27 | Shadowed | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.41 | Shadowed | and reload to confirm |
| 15:37.43 | Thrae | krka: Close |
| 15:37.50 | Shadowed | Shaman? |
| 15:38.05 | krka | paladin then! |
| 15:38.17 | Taroven | Okay, this is strange. |
| 15:38.20 | Thrae | Feral Tank (main-spec) + Resto Healer (off-spec) == Masochist |
| 15:38.28 | Thrae | Insta-queue my ass |
| 15:38.38 | krka | I'd rather not |
| 15:38.40 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:38.46 | DWSR | Thrae: Err? Yeah, it's definitely instaqueue. |
| 15:39.01 | DWSR | I'm Blood tank/Frost tank on my DK |
| 15:39.04 | Thrae | No, it's said like it's some sort of priviledge |
| 15:39.05 | DWSR | And I don't ever wait. |
| 15:39.12 | krka | instaqueueing asses is not my cup of tea, but i'm sure you can find someone else for that |
| 15:39.23 | Thrae | When in reality, unless you're a psychopath, you're going to be getting all the grief. |
| 15:39.54 | krka | why grief? |
| 15:39.59 | Thrae | I know DWSR is a sociopath so he's fine with vote-kicking the guy that does 100 less DPS than his GS should indicate. |
| 15:40.05 | krka | you mean like "lol you suck at healing/tanking"? |
| 15:40.33 | DWSR | Thrae: I actually vote-kick healers who pull patrols by being too slow. |
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| 15:40.44 | DWSR | And then proceed to tank the rest of the instance without one. |
| 15:40.56 | DWSR | Because healing is for pussies, apparently. |
| 15:41.00 | Thrae | krka: Yeah, too many randoms I get in there's not one, but two asses who think they know my job better than I do and proceed to tab-target DPS blindly |
| 15:41.09 | Matsy | I usually vote kick slack tanks in heroics, and then continue tanking as a holy paladin. |
| 15:41.13 | Matsy | :+ |
| 15:41.23 | DWSR | Matsy: RF on and GG? |
| 15:41.24 | DWSR | Yeah |
| 15:41.34 | Thrae | See, that's the problem with insta-queue, that's the downside |
| 15:41.47 | krka | you'd have the same problem without instaqueue though |
| 15:41.47 | Thrae | You exponentially increase your possible exposure to idiocy |
| 15:41.57 | Matsy | I mean, heroics are so easy |
| 15:42.02 | DWSR | I would say your exposure approaches infinity. |
| 15:42.14 | Matsy | If you have 5.2KGS+, I suppose everyone wearing plate could tank them, no matter what spec. |
| 15:42.15 | Taroven | So, I'm hacking oUF_HealComm4 to actually make use of the fact that its frames are statusbars and that they can be anchored directly to the end of a healthbar. In Enable(self) I'm doing hcb:SetMinMaxValues(0,1) and verifying with print(hcb:GetMinMaxValues()), it's setting fine, but when the healcomm updates actually go through hcb:GetMinMaxValues() returns 0,0. WTF. |
| 15:42.19 | krka | there _are_ some crappy tanks though |
| 15:42.46 | Thrae | Matsy: Honestly, I like the idea of Demonology Warlocks becoming a Tank spec if we're not going to have Shaman Tanks anymore. |
| 15:42.47 | krka | once we wiped on king drek, so i shifted into bear form (with dps gear) and we managed fine with four people instead |
| 15:42.50 | Shadowed | Taroven: Are you sure you aren't calling setMinMaxValues somewhere else? |
| 15:42.55 | DWSR | ThraeL Me too. :D |
| 15:42.56 | krka | (since the tank emo'd out and left) |
| 15:42.59 | DWSR | I am one. :P |
| 15:43.04 | Taroven | Shadowed: Positive, that was the first thing I checked. |
| 15:43.11 | Shadowed | you checked with a hook? :p |
| 15:43.15 | Matsy | Hahaha, Thrae, is that actully an idea? ;p |
| 15:43.16 | Shadowed | or you manually looked |
| 15:43.20 | Thrae | They already seem like they're shifting Demo. Warlocks into Tanks |
| 15:43.27 | Thrae | Matsy: It's all over the Suggestion forums! |
| 15:43.33 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 15:43.39 | Taroven | Didn't check with a hook. |
| 15:43.39 | DWSR | I'm hoping so. |
| 15:43.42 | Matsy | Warlocks should be healers. |
| 15:43.44 | Matsy | :+ |
| 15:43.46 | Shadowed | Try hooksecurefunc(uiobject, "SetMinMaxValues", function(...) print("MinMax", ...) end) Taroven |
| 15:43.46 | DWSR | rofl |
| 15:43.47 | Matsy | win win. |
| 15:43.54 | DWSR | I heal already. |
| 15:43.56 | Thrae | Warlocks were BUILT to melee |
| 15:44.05 | DWSR | I make sure that the pesky health bars that you have go away. |
| 15:44.05 | Thrae | They got that silly flaming stone and such |
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| 15:44.06 | Shadowed | run that before you manually call SetMinMaxValues to verify |
| 15:44.14 | Matsy | melee? ;p |
| 15:44.36 | Thrae | Yes, they were built to run up and melee enemies with a dagger in one hand and their flame stone in the other giving them flame procs |
| 15:44.45 | Gagorian | firestone |
| 15:44.45 | DWSR | In Vanilla. |
| 15:44.54 | DWSR | That's since changed. |
| 15:44.55 | DWSR | But yeah. |
| 15:45.00 | Taroven | Shadowed: Replace uiobject with the frame in question? |
| 15:45.02 | DWSR | Bringing back Demo as a melee spec would be win. |
| 15:45.08 | Thrae | Well they've changed a *lot* |
| 15:45.11 | Shadowed | Taroven: With the StatusBar in question, yes |
| 15:45.26 | Thrae | I don't remember Warlocks in Vanilla going around dressed up as Demons |
| 15:45.56 | Thrae | I remember them either dying very quickly or having insanely high levels of health...actually, I think Affliction is still like that |
| 15:46.19 | Shadowed | Taroven: If you notice an extra call you aren't expecting, try adding a debugstack(2) into the print |
| 15:46.42 | DWSR | Thrae: I can drain tank a T10 Survival Hunter. |
| 15:46.54 | Taroven | Shadowed: Nothing unexpected. |
| 15:46.56 | DWSR | In my Furious gear. |
| 15:47.00 | Shadowed | Taroven: Hrm odd |
| 15:47.06 | Thrae | One thing I think is wrong about Warlocks and Shadow Priests -- they have a lot of Magic Curses now...WTF? It's called a CURSE. |
| 15:47.13 | Taroven | Shadowed: Indeed. I'm confused as all hell. Want the code? |
| 15:47.17 | Shadowed | sure |
| 15:47.28 | Thrae | If it's not decursable than don't call it a CURSE. |
| 15:47.47 | Taroven | Shadowed: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/134567 |
| 15:48.48 | Thrae | Hex, Ritual, Paradigm, whatever...it also sucks that Druids can't decurse the Curses in PvP, but that's a Druid-centric thing |
| 15:49.13 | Shadowed | Taroven: Do you have the HealCommBar creation code |
| 15:49.37 | Thrae | I was surprised when lots of Curses became UnDecursable and ALL Priests *including Shadow* get Mass Dispel. |
| 15:49.50 | Taroven | Shadowed: self.HealCommBar = CreateFrame('StatusBar',nil,self.Health) |
| 15:49.55 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 15:50.00 | Thrae | Now if you want to talk Arena, sure, Cyclone is pretty fun, but it's not all about Arena... |
| 15:50.07 | Thrae | Whatever Shadowed may say |
| 15:50.24 | Gnarfoz | you noticed you're talking to yourself, yet? |
| 15:50.29 | Taroven | Shadowed: Nothing wrong with the creation code afaik. It was all working perfectly before I started hacking. |
| 15:50.31 | Shadowed | he's pretty crazy, what can you expect |
| 15:50.38 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: No, it's called ranting, there's a difference. |
| 15:50.50 | Gnarfoz | one is insanity, the other useless? |
| 15:50.55 | Gnarfoz | also: what the hell is a magic curse |
| 15:50.58 | Gnarfoz | it's called a debuff |
| 15:51.14 | Shadowed | Taroven: If I ahd to take a guess, it's something you are doing on line #65 with clearing the anchor points and resetting them |
| 15:51.15 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: A Magic Curse is a spell that says "Curse" in its name but cannot be Decursed. |
| 15:51.22 | Gnarfoz | who cares what the name is |
| 15:51.27 | Shadowed | have you tried forcing them onto some generic area, like SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent, "CENTER") |
| 15:51.29 | Thrae | I do! |
| 15:51.32 | Shadowed | had* |
| 15:51.32 | Gnarfoz | (also, which one would that be) |
| 15:51.40 | Thrae | Lore! Canon! Catapults! |
| 15:51.59 | Taroven | Shadowed: Nope, suppose I could. |
| 15:52.07 | Taroven | Shadowed: I'll try without the clearallpoints first. |
| 15:52.20 | Shadowed | What's the issue exactly, is the bar showing up fine Taroven and it disappears as soon as healing starts? |
| 15:52.34 | Shadowed | First step would be to try and force the bar to be shown in the creation code, verify that you're creating it fine |
| 15:52.37 | Taroven | Shadowed: No, the bar doesn't show at all. |
| 15:52.50 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=7&filter=na=curse#0+1+2 all these are curses. |
| 15:52.50 | Shadowed | Are you manually setting a texture, anchor point, etc? |
| 15:53.11 | Gnarfoz | and none others have "curse" in their name |
| 15:53.12 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47864 |
| 15:53.20 | Shadowed | Basically, try and bypass the oUF_HealComm plugin as much as possible to make sure it's not some odd conflict |
| 15:53.23 | Gnarfoz | Curse of AgonyCurse |
| 15:53.23 | Gnarfoz | 1728 Shadow damage over 24 sec. |
| 15:53.23 | Gnarfoz | 24 seconds remaining |
| 15:53.23 | Gnarfoz | |
| 15:53.26 | Gnarfoz | CURSE |
| 15:53.32 | Gnarfoz | can you fucking read |
| 15:53.34 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: But I can't remove it as a Druid! |
| 15:53.36 | Kaelten | Gnarfoz: :P |
| 15:53.43 | Shadowed | Play nicely guys :p |
| 15:53.44 | Gnarfoz | Kaelten: not you, for once :> |
| 15:53.50 | Kaelten | can I be pinged now plz |
| 15:53.52 | Kaelten | :P |
| 15:54.00 | Shadowed | after you can get it to show, go back and slowly let it go through the oUF_Healcomm plugin until you see it breaking Taroven |
| 15:54.19 | Thrae | Kaelten: You get pinged everytime someone says "Curse"? |
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| 15:54.28 | Shadowed | Curses! |
| 15:54.43 | Thrae | Kaelten: Sounds like that site is a curse on you. |
| 15:54.50 | Kaelten | Thrae: ya, I configured it so it would |
| 15:54.55 | Kaelten | leads to a lot of false positives |
| 15:55.02 | Kaelten | probably going to change it |
| 15:55.04 | durcyn | i'd curse loudly if i had that kind of notify enabled |
| 15:55.05 | Shadowed | haha |
| 15:55.39 | Shadowed | At least you didn't have to fixed typo 's! |
| 15:55.57 | Kaelten | someone say curse please |
| 15:56.00 | Shadowed | curse |
| 15:56.01 | DWSR | curse you |
| 15:56.03 | Thrae | False positives like, "Hey Kaerinn let's continue where we left off yesterday about our secret plans to destroy Curse.net." |
| 15:56.16 | Kaelten | yay no more pings for curse |
| 15:56.17 | Kaelten | lol |
| 15:56.20 | Gnarfoz | I see one talent that gives +30% dispel resistance to curses |
| 15:56.21 | Taroven | Shadowed: Exact issue is this - When the bar is enabled, the min/max values are set to 0/1 (and a print GetMinMaxValues is done to make sure they were set properly)... but when the update function fires and I check the min/max again, they're 0/0 |
| 15:56.38 | Shadowed | I want to say I've had this issue before, but I can't think of why |
| 15:56.39 | Gnarfoz | which only affliction warlocks would have, mind you |
| 15:56.41 | DWSR | Taroven: Sounds like your update function is broken. |
| 15:56.55 | Thrae | Kaelten: I just realized the female version of your name is " Cairenn ", which will then ping her. |
| 15:57.08 | Taroven | Shadowed: It's firing correctly. |
| 15:57.08 | Shadowed | wouldn't it be, has pinged her? |
| 15:57.48 | Thrae | Shadowed: No, the sentence is correct, because I sent it, she received it, THEN her client pinged her. |
| 15:57.50 | Kaelten | Thrae: lol wut? |
| 15:57.54 | Shadowed | fair enough Thrae |
| 15:57.56 | DWSR | Shadowed: What Thrae said. |
| 15:58.03 | Shadowed | Taroven: Do you have a large undo buffer? :p |
| 15:58.25 | Taroven | Shadowed: Of course. I've rewritten this three times now with the same results. |
| 15:58.27 | Thrae | Kaelten: The female version of your name is "Kaerinn" which is, in the original Gaelic is " Cairenn ". |
| 15:58.29 | Shadowed | Run a diff between the previous working version and the current one, gradually merge the code until you figure out what's wrong |
| 15:58.38 | Taroven | Shadowed: About ready to say fuckit and just use setwidth/height. |
| 15:58.48 | Shadowed | sec |
| 15:59.02 | Thrae | Shadowed: That's what I've been doing on Solaris recently trying to get libTorrent to work |
| 15:59.15 | Kaelten | Thrae: is my screen name a real name? |
| 15:59.16 | Kaelten | lol |
| 15:59.41 | Taroven | Shadowed: The entire issue with this is that SetValue isn't doing anything at all due to the bar having no maximum value. |
| 15:59.48 | Thrae | Kaelten: What, you don't know the origin of your own screen name? |
| 15:59.57 | Taroven | Shadowed: Even though I'm setting it. |
| 16:00.04 | Kaelten | I made it up after reading a few different novels about 9 years ago |
| 16:00.39 | Shadowed | https://gist.github.com/0035e46002416d67332f is what SUF does for what it's worth, short of gradually readding until it breaks, I can't tell you much else |
| 16:00.52 | Shadowed | I can't think of a reason why I'd happen, but I don't have a diff of what you changed |
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| 16:01.09 | Shadowed | I might be able to give you more info if you had one thought |
| 16:01.13 | Taroven | Shadowed: In good news, SetMinMaxValues(0,1) does work when placed in the update function. |
| 16:01.28 | Taroven | Bar still doesn't show though... so yeah, something's screwed up. |
| 16:01.38 | Thrae | Kaelten: Kaelten was one of the 21 Kings that served under the legendary, mythical Baldur, whom King Arthur was based on. Kaelten used a cursed blade that he kept in a bag of nearly infinite holding which he called "the One Bag." |
| 16:01.51 | Shadowed | Gimmie a diff, I'll see if I have any more ideas :p |
| 16:01.57 | Taroven | I'm still trying to figure out why the hell it's doing that though... There's no reason for it to randomly set to 0,0 after already having been set. |
| 16:02.14 | Shadowed | It's probably some dimensions/anchoring or texture issue, if I had to take a guess |
| 16:02.16 | Kaelten | Thrae: uhm, wut? |
| 16:02.22 | Gnarfoz | haha Kaelten making OneBag |
| 16:02.23 | yachi | how can I remove duplicate entries from a table? |
| 16:02.24 | Kaelten | that's kind errie |
| 16:02.34 | Shadowed | yachi: Go through the table and remove them :P |
| 16:02.36 | Gnarfoz | smells Thrae |
| 16:02.37 | Taroven | Shadowed: Maybe. I'm gonna rewrite again with a different approach |
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| 16:02.48 | Gnarfoz | is that booze? :o |
| 16:03.09 | Elkano | Shadowed, didn't help, raid overview was still showing the old data :/ |
| 16:03.18 | Shadowed | Elkano uhhh, no idea, I'll check in a bit |
| 16:03.29 | Elkano | yeah, just wanted to let you know :) |
| 16:03.34 | yachi | only way I can think of doing it is with a loop inside a loop and that doesn't seem efficient |
| 16:03.57 | Shadowed | yachi: Do you want to stop duplicates from being put into a table, or do you want to remove duplicates from a table. Does it have to be an array, or can it be a hash? |
| 16:04.00 | Thrae | Kaelten's nemesis was the Court King's Knight, usually abbreviated, who stole his kingdom and generally fubar'd the entire mythical realm. |
| 16:04.20 | Kaelten | lol |
| 16:04.46 | yachi | either way is fine, and I'm not sure what the difference between an array and a hash is |
| 16:05.08 | Ackis | I see what you did there Thrae |
| 16:05.36 | Shadowed | yachi: {1, 2, 3} is an array, {["a"] = true, ["b"] = true, ["c"] = true} is a hash |
| 16:05.37 | Thrae | The Court King's Knight broke the ancient panels laid down by the Titans and, in their wrath, everything the Court King's Knight tried to make turned to Rock. |
| 16:06.01 | yachi | oh I see |
| 16:06.18 | yachi | yeah I'm using an array at the moment |
| 16:06.44 | Shadowed | yachi: You might want to read Programming in Lua a bit more, but if you don't have to use an array, using a hash would be the best solution |
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| 16:09.29 | yachi | I see what you mean |
| 16:09.29 | yachi | thanks |
| 16:10.05 | Kaelten | it is kinda like people found fragments of chat logs from the last 5 years and peiced togather a story explaining it all |
| 16:11.17 | Kaelten | http://www.curse.com/articles/blizzard-entertainment-en-news/704590.aspx |
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| 16:11.52 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:14.29 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Kaelten -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23 |
| 16:15.35 | Taroven | Shadowed: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/134568 |
| 16:16.09 | Taroven | Shadowed: Simple change there, I just wanted to make it not call like 8 methods per update. |
| 16:16.13 | Shadowed | I wouldn't suggest doing all of that in Update :P |
| 16:16.24 | Taroven | Shadowed: That's how it was in the first place. |
| 16:16.29 | Shadowed | ah |
| 16:16.44 | Taroven | Shadowed: I changed all of 2 lines from the original. |
| 16:16.45 | Shadowed | I'd avoid the ClearAllPoints/SetHeight (or SetWidth) depending on orientation if you can |
| 16:16.51 | Shadowed | but, if it works it works I guess |
| 16:17.33 | Taroven | Shadowed: The goal was to place everything possible into the Enable function and use SetValue instead of the quadruple whammy that it is now. |
| 16:17.51 | Taroven | Gonna see how it tweaks from here on. |
| 16:18.02 | Shadowed | All I could think of is, oUF has some weird ordering issues so certain data isn't set when you are expecting it to when Enable is called |
| 16:18.13 | Shadowed | but I'm not familiar with haste's wacky API so I can't comment on that |
| 16:18.30 | Taroven | Enable is called during PEW as far as I can tell. |
| 16:18.49 | Taroven | Seems to be directly after the rest of the layout is loaded. |
| 16:19.01 | Shadowed | Yea, but maybe height isn't set or whatnot, I have no idea just random theories :p |
| 16:19.01 | Taroven | Fine by me really. |
| 16:19.07 | Taroven | Heh. |
| 16:19.08 | Taroven | Yeah. |
| 16:19.14 | Taroven | I'm trying to figure all this out myself. |
| 16:19.36 | Taroven | What I don't get at all is why things are being reset entirely between Enable and Update |
| 16:19.46 | Taroven | ie, min/max values for the bar. |
| 16:21.14 | Taroven | Trying a random test now... |
| 16:21.32 | Taroven | Yeah... |
| 16:21.53 | Taroven | Added a hcb:SetMinMaxValues(0,1) in the enable. |
| 16:22.04 | Shadowed | I blame haste |
| 16:22.04 | Taroven | Checked it during Update... returned 0,0 |
| 16:22.21 | DWSR | Taroven: stream of conciousness, plz2not. |
| 16:22.43 | Taroven | DWSR: Soz. |
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| 16:22.56 | DWSR | is k |
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| 16:25.48 | Adys | "I was not at the Wrath Gate, but the soldiers who survived told me much of what happened. Your son fought with honor." WHAT? |
| 16:26.37 | Gnarfoz | "haha, your son was an ass, good riddance"? |
| 16:29.11 | Adys | he got one-shot by the lich king |
| 16:29.12 | Taroven | SO tempted to just write the entire damn plugin directly into my layout. That way I know exactly wtf is happening with my code and I don't have to deal with this random resetting crap. |
| 16:29.47 | DWSR | DO EET |
| 16:29.57 | Taroven | DWSR: DOING EET |
| 16:30.04 | DWSR | k |
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| 16:35.59 | Lunessa | EET ES DONE? |
| 16:40.09 | Taroven | Lunessa: Halfway or so. Gogo custom Healcomm implementation? |
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| 16:42.12 | Taroven | Lunessa: Ever get around to trying my ouf layout, btw? |
| 16:42.37 | Lunessa | not yet. Late tonight or tomorrow maybe |
| 16:45.07 | Lunessa | I don't have much time to play until the weekend this week. |
| 16:48.26 | Lunessa | working 56 hours this week, all inconveniently scheduled. |
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| 16:51.11 | Taroven | Lunessa: Ouchies. |
| 16:58.57 | Gnarfoz | compared to Antiarc that's next to nothing! |
| 16:59.19 | Shadowed | fact, Antiarc works in his sleep |
| 16:59.21 | Shadowed | he dream codes |
| 17:01.16 | Lunessa | Antiarc is a god among mortal men, he not only raises his child, works crazy hours, raids, and writes slick code, he still manages to squeeze in raiding. I suspect that there's a tribe of geeks somewhere who have graven images of him to which they pray for his benevolence and he feeds on their dark sacrifices. |
| 17:02.09 | nevcairiel | yeah, like he works on his addons these days :P |
| 17:03.05 | Lunessa | I bet you tell people that the hero doesn't actually die in episode 2, because episodes 3-10 would be pretty dull without him, don't you? |
| 17:03.28 | Gnarfoz | what series kills their heroes? that's madness! |
| 17:03.34 | Matsy | Finally! |
| 17:03.38 | Matsy | An upgrade over my old ilevel 200 shield |
| 17:03.49 | Matsy | 200 -> 245, that should help |
| 17:03.53 | nevcairiel | Matsy: i'm trying to get into HoR N to get that shield :( |
| 17:04.04 | Matsy | This was.. ToC-25 |
| 17:04.06 | Matsy | But yeah |
| 17:04.16 | Matsy | Guess ICC-5 works as well ;p |
| 17:04.18 | nevcairiel | but no freaking healer wants to come! |
| 17:04.36 | nevcairiel | can't really pug toc25 at this time of day now, can i! |
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| 17:04.41 | Matsy | I can! |
| 17:04.46 | Matsy | I mean, I am doing it right now |
| 17:04.49 | nevcairiel | well actually i suppose its late enough already |
| 17:04.57 | Matsy | We're at the last boss now ;p |
| 17:05.09 | Gnarfoz | it always is, somewhere |
| 17:05.21 | nevcairiel | didnt you want to nap? |
| 17:05.27 | Matsy | .. me? |
| 17:05.31 | nevcairiel | not you |
| 17:07.11 | Taroven | Hm. Got the inline Healcomm implementation working alright, except that the callbacks aren't firing. |
| 17:07.45 | nevcairiel | ah finally a healer, hope it drops this time <.< |
| 17:07.47 | Lunessa | http://graphjam.com/2010/03/24/funny-graphs-lose-games/ |
| 17:08.04 | Matsy | Good luck, nevcairiel |
| 17:08.04 | Matsy | ;p |
| 17:08.11 | Taroven | So... I can see incoming heal bars as long as UNIT_HEALTH fires, but if it's another healcomm event I'm screwed. Kinda wondering why that's not working. |
| 17:15.38 | Taroven | AH HA! Just needed to get rid of the original healcomm plugin entirely, move the libs, adjust the xml, and restart. /win |
| 17:15.52 | Shadowed | errr, what's wrong with the LHC lib xml? |
| 17:15.56 | Shadowed | It should be fine as far as I know |
| 17:16.09 | Taroven | I meant adjust my xml =P |
| 17:16.19 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 17:17.30 | Adys | wasn't there an ach called "It's a trap!"? |
| 17:17.56 | Adys | somewhere during ptr |
| 17:19.19 | Taroven | Shadowed: I said fuckit. Did some code mojo, now my layout doesn't need the healcomm plugin at all - Just libs. Anchoring works like a charm, I can actually use setminmaxvalue, and I don't have to worry about updating the plugin anymore (just the libs, same diff). |
| 17:19.27 | Shadowed | That's weird |
| 17:20.29 | Taroven | Besides being a little easier for me to manage, it seems a little more efficient since I'm not allowing for a bunch of unused settings. Win/win for me. |
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| 17:48.56 | mikma | http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs428.snc3/24702_111977008815317_100000090552767_250810_7195171_n.jpg |
| 17:49.01 | Taroven | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/134569 - Anyone able to tell if any of those lines can be simplified? |
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| 17:52.06 | Kaso | has there been any reports of issues logging on to certain servers on wine? |
| 17:52.24 | alestane | In some languages, Taroven, you'd get a small benefit from replacing "((maxHP - curHP)/maxHP)" with "(1 - curHP/maxHP)", but it's unlikely to make a difference in Lua. |
| 17:52.47 | alestane | mikma: Oops. |
| 17:53.38 | Taroven | alestane: 1-curHP/maxHP is much easier to look at either way. |
| 17:53.38 | foxlit | You can do less division with maxHP, in any case |
| 17:53.54 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: how your hand? |
| 17:54.44 | Taroven | foxlit: Care to elaborate? |
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| 17:55.00 | foxlit | Just drop /maxHP in both places, they'll cancel out |
| 17:55.06 | Lunessa | mikma: I lol'ed. |
| 17:55.45 | foxlit | I can't quite figure out what you're doing; that observation is just based on math |
| 17:56.06 | foxlit | you basically have a = b / c; d = a / (e / c) |
| 17:56.26 | foxlit | so d = a c / e => d = b / e |
| 17:56.46 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps: 3 weeks of PT. It's getting better, still a good ways to go still. |
| 17:59.36 | Kraps | mmm |
| 18:01.06 | Lopeppeppy | Practice makes perfect. Thanks for remembering and asking about it. *hug* |
| 18:01.57 | Taroven | foxlit: Converting a percentage of health restored from min/max health to max-min, kinda. |
| 18:02.41 | Matsy | nevcairiel, how did it go? |
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| 18:03.15 | Taroven | If that makes any sense at all... It's a capped healcomm bar with its anchors set to the end of the healthbar's texture and the healthbar bounds. |
| 18:04.13 | foxlit | So you change its width? |
| 18:04.41 | Taroven | It's a statusbar with minmaxvalue set at 0,1 |
| 18:05.26 | alestane | So it's basically intended to fill the space at the end of your health bar with your incoming heals. |
| 18:05.41 | foxlit | So you've picked the solution that gets you the sum of all possible headaches |
| 18:05.47 | Taroven | Yeah, just have to do the funky math because the actual width of the bar is always changing. |
| 18:05.48 | alestane | Gonna say. |
| 18:05.51 | Taroven | Yep. |
| 18:06.17 | alestane | You might want to stick a bar behind the health bar and set it to the person's health after projected heals. |
| 18:06.22 | Kraps | is bagnon going to be updated? |
| 18:07.43 | Taroven | alestane: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1999297/WoWScrnShot_032510_140659.jpg - Acts like a standard healcomm bar, just plays nice with OnUpdate health values |
| 18:08.02 | alestane | 404 |
| 18:08.08 | durcyn | Kraps: tuller has a working svn branch, last i checked |
| 18:10.33 | Taroven | alestane: Rawr, kids knocked out the net for a split second... trying to fix |
| 18:11.51 | Taroven | alestane: http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8251/rawrcopy.jpg |
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| 18:12.55 | Taroven | alestane: As you can see, nothing really special aside from it playing nice no matter how fast the healthbar updates. Just some strange math involved and I wasn't entirely sure if I was taking a really long way around it. =P |
| 18:16.01 | Kraps | CTU has a mole, so what else is new |
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| 18:16.45 | Gagorian | Kraps: That's getting a bit old to say the least :D |
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| 18:18.48 | Kraps | mole are actually the most plausible (lol) way to make the terrorists so successful |
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| 18:22.58 | Taroven | Final version, works perfectly as far as I can tell: self.HCB:SetValue( (math.min(incHeals, maxHP - curHP) / maxHP) / (1 - curHP/maxHP) ) |
| 18:23.35 | nevcairiel | Matsy: got the shield in the 4th run or so, but a silly paladin stole me the cloak .. need that too for the best gear pre-raid :( |
| 18:24.37 | Ackis | anyone here have experience with ACL or SAS? |
| 18:25.51 | durcyn | Ackis: depends, which definition are you talking about |
| 18:25.55 | Thunder_Child | EU's preimer domestic tac unit? |
| 18:26.14 | Ackis | ACL = Audit Command Language, and SAS I don't know the acronym but it's data analytics |
| 18:26.37 | durcyn | so, you want people on irc do your job for you? what are you paying? |
| 18:26.59 | Ackis | no I don't want people to do my job for me :P I wanted to find out resources so I can learn more about them :P |
| 18:27.30 | Ackis | I figure people who have experience would have some good resources above and beyond my googlefu |
| 18:27.31 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: EU? its not a UK thing? |
| 18:27.49 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: british army |
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| 18:28.22 | Kraps | yeah, but you said EU... |
| 18:28.58 | Thunder_Child | they are the best in the EU, and they are used all over the place |
| 18:29.40 | Thunder_Child | for example the seals have done work in canada and mexico |
| 18:29.48 | Thunder_Child | but they are a 'US' unit |
| 18:30.07 | Hirsute | *sigh* Server's unstable enough I'm having a hard time figuring out what problems are caused by misbehaving addons, and what problems are caused by my silly server. |
| 18:30.40 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: on behalf of canada/mexico? |
| 18:31.03 | Kraps | didnt know they do that |
| 18:31.15 | Ackis | they probably train in canada ;) |
| 18:31.18 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: that i dont know, but they are also not really domestic like the SAS is |
| 18:31.36 | Ackis | I didn't think SAS was domestic |
| 18:31.42 | Thunder_Child | since the HRT does something similar |
| 18:31.45 | Ackis | they operated in Iraq/Iran iirc? |
| 18:32.23 | Thunder_Child | they operate all over |
| 18:32.26 | Kraps | so the sas is a fbi/seals hybrid |
| 18:32.43 | Thunder_Child | no, they are just a tac team |
| 18:32.50 | Thunder_Child | they would be like a seals htr hybrid |
| 18:33.01 | Kraps | what htr :/ |
| 18:33.26 | Thunder_Child | FBI's Hostage Rescue Team |
| 18:33.48 | Kraps | hmm |
| 18:33.56 | Kraps | thats a new one |
| 18:33.56 | Thunder_Child | eg. if the pres got held hostage it would not be the secret service that went in, it would be the HRT |
| 18:34.18 | kneeki | Any alliance who cause the killing blow to the "Author of GearScore" in battlegrounds will have their GearScore reduced by 50% for 48 hours. (This is a joke!) |
| 18:34.20 | kneeki | ol |
| 18:35.02 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostage_Rescue_Team_(FBI) |
| 18:35.27 | Kraps | cant look now but thanks |
| 18:35.36 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, seals are yummy |
| 18:35.37 | Ackis | throws Delta and the Rangers into the mix of things. |
| 18:35.55 | Thunder_Child | neither are domestic |
| 18:36.03 | Thunder_Child | officially |
| 18:36.39 | Ackis | SAS isn't domestic either |
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| 18:37.44 | Thunder_Child | as far as i can tell they have done work in the UK |
| 18:38.14 | Kraps | officially? |
| 18:38.19 | Thunder_Child | i think so |
| 18:38.24 | Ackis | yeah they did stuff against the IRA |
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| 18:39.03 | Kraps | IRA's still active? |
| 18:39.30 | Ackis | SAS has been around since at least WW2 |
| 18:39.49 | Ackis | think of them as the James Bond of special forces ;) |
| 18:40.59 | Kraps | isnt that redundant? :p |
| 18:41.04 | zenzelezz | SAS has done work in many places |
| 18:41.49 | Thunder_Child | actually think of them as the first more than the best |
| 18:43.18 | zenzelezz | probably |
| 18:43.48 | zenzelezz | many big nations have their own "elite" special forces division, and they all claim they're the best |
| 18:44.23 | Thunder_Child | which might actually be true in certian aspects |
| 18:44.45 | Kraps | we have: green berets, delta, seals, rangers... |
| 18:45.24 | Thunder_Child | and from time to time force recon |
| 18:45.27 | Ackis | Kraps: plus the ones that you odn't know about |
| 18:45.33 | zenzelezz | don't forget CN |
| 18:45.35 | Ackis | MIB for example |
| 18:45.55 | Kraps | CN? |
| 18:46.02 | zenzelezz | Chuck Norris, fool |
| 18:46.06 | Kraps | oh ya |
| 18:46.23 | Kraps | Ackis: they flashything you yet? |
| 18:46.25 | Ackis | Chuck was Delta Force |
| 18:46.25 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 18:46.26 | zenzelezz | I think the US has more such groups than other countries, but I'm in no way certain |
| 18:46.49 | Thunder_Child | prolly, they stick their nose into more things than anyone else |
| 18:46.51 | Kraps | i think the cia has its own group too |
| 18:47.38 | Kraps | just guessing though |
| 18:48.14 | Thunder_Child | that would be more akin to MI6 |
| 18:48.31 | Thunder_Child | the rest are millitary units |
| 18:48.40 | Kraps | mmm |
| 18:48.44 | Ackis | so anyways, ACL/SAS stuff relating to data analytics, aside from the vendor pages anyone have a good resource for me to learn about the feature set of both products? :P |
| 18:50.42 | Kraps | gj derailing, Ackis |
| 18:50.47 | Kraps | oh wait... |
| 18:50.52 | Kraps | ;) |
| 18:51.08 | Ackis | :P |
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| 18:51.58 | mel1 | hejhej |
| 18:52.18 | Kaso | Any wine users had connection issues today? |
| 18:52.53 | mel1 | wasn`t gaming today ^^ |
| 18:54.48 | Ackis | Statistical Analysis System :| |
| 18:55.33 | Ackis | you mention to people you have database experience, and the next thing you know you're dealing with statistics... it's all Kaelten's fault IMO |
| 18:56.36 | Dagmar | You gotta learn to play stupider |
| 19:00.35 | Ackis | oh I generally do that quite well :P |
| 19:01.31 | mel1 | :d |
| 19:01.48 | mel1 | so, i brought a question with me and i hope, you can help me ^^ |
| 19:02.28 | mel1 | i am searching a tutorial or whatever that gives an overwiev over the design possibilities for a gui |
| 19:02.47 | zenzelezz | the awesome thing about short acronyms is they are so ambiguous |
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| 19:03.01 | Ackis | TLA's are the best ever |
| 19:03.04 | zenzelezz | if you tell me "SAS" in computer context, I'd think you were talking about Software As a Service |
| 19:03.46 | Ackis | my google fu isn't helping... I'm getting results for SAS 70, and with ACL, they're medical related results :( |
| 19:04.36 | Dagmar | I actually thought he was talkng about that German company |
| 19:04.50 | mel1 | my gui is acctually working, but ^^ it looks crappy :) |
| 19:05.05 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: that too |
| 19:05.57 | mel1 | scandinavian airlines ^^ |
| 19:08.27 | Ackis | mel1: there used to be some gui guides out there but all the ones I knew about are dated, I'm not sure where the current ones would reside... wowwiki might have some |
| 19:09.07 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.17 | mel1 | yes |
| 19:10.41 | Shirik | where's lopeppeppy :( |
| 19:10.44 | Shirik | I need her assistance |
| 19:10.48 | Shirik | anyone here have a blackberry? |
| 19:10.53 | alestane | She had to go be busy, Shirik, what's up? |
| 19:11.05 | Shirik | I need help with my blackberry :( |
| 19:11.05 | Thunder_Child | i have the eating kind |
| 19:11.07 | mel1 | i just need a list of the possible textures etc .. and neither google nor the obvious forums help ^^ |
| 19:11.26 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: RTFM or hammer |
| 19:11.36 | Shirik | my headset refuses to do voice activated dialing for some reason. I can enter the voice commands, it understands me, etc. |
| 19:11.39 | Dagmar | hammer+ |
| 19:11.42 | Shirik | But thene it says "calling" and just locks up forever |
| 19:11.56 | Shirik | which is completely illogical because that's not even controlled by the headset |
| 19:12.00 | Shirik | but it ONLY happens with the headset |
| 19:12.06 | Shirik | I can voice dial from the phone just fine |
| 19:12.17 | Dagmar | Shirik: Time to call the rep for the company that issued it, because yeah, all that is supposed to be handled by the phone. headsets aren't very bright |
| 19:12.23 | Thunder_Child | and does everything else work just fine from the headset? |
| 19:12.30 | Dagmar | it r time for firmware updates |
| 19:12.31 | Shirik | yeah if I'm in a call, I can use it just fine |
| 19:12.42 | Cide | bad design is bad |
| 19:12.57 | Dagmar | Cide: No he said he has a BLackberry, not a Palm 800w |
| 19:13.11 | Cide | oh |
| 19:13.30 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: my suggestion is to see if you can finagle another headset and try it out. |
| 19:13.35 | Dagmar | The 800w doesn't crash, but, it's voice dial is the worst thing I've _ever_ seen |
| 19:13.43 | Cide | I didn't know adjectives were numerically limited |
| 19:13.43 | Shirik | ....... |
| 19:13.46 | Shirik | bad phone is bad |
| 19:13.53 | Shirik | I figured it out, one sec on call now -_- |
| 19:13.57 | Cide | fail |
| 19:14.02 | Cide | what did you do to fix it? |
| 19:14.04 | Thunder_Child | ^^ x2 |
| 19:14.09 | Dagmar | Probably said "yes" |
| 19:14.40 | Kraps | schrodingers cat |
| 19:14.47 | Dagmar | The 800w does a decent job of matching what you said to a contact, but... when it confirms this and tries to state the name it matched, _you can barely hear it and there is no way to make it louder_ |
| 19:14.54 | Cide | "Calling..." "... ... ... ... GO" "ring ring"? |
| 19:14.56 | Dagmar | Design fail. |
| 19:15.13 | Ackis | is not happy with his blackberry recently :( |
| 19:15.24 | Dagmar | The Razr V3m was way, way better at it |
| 19:15.37 | Dagmar | ...aside from having a crapton of entirely undocumented other commands. |
| 19:15.56 | Kraps | mr bigglesworth is schrodingers cat! |
| 19:16.02 | Dagmar | "say clock" not "say time" <-- probably the stupidest wrongness with it |
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| 19:20.30 | Shirik | ok back |
| 19:20.36 | Shirik | so... solution to bluetooth problems: |
| 19:20.40 | Lunessa | Asking purely for curiosity's sake; does anyone in here use Twitter for guild/raiding purposes? |
| 19:20.42 | Shirik | Take out battery for 30 seconds and put it back in |
| 19:20.46 | Shirik | (from phone) |
| 19:21.01 | Ackis | Shirik: aka reboot phone? |
| 19:21.04 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:21.05 | Lunessa | Shirik: ... When in doubt, pull the battery out? |
| 19:21.34 | Taroven | Shadowed: Question on healcomm4. When using HealComm:GetHealAmount, do I just use bit.bor(type,type,...) if the combination of healtypes I'm looking for isn't standard? ie, watching HOT_HEALS+BOMB_HEALS on a separate bar from CASTED_HEALS |
| 19:21.37 | Kraps | Lunessa: and dont pout |
| 19:22.12 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/EYY9.png |
| 19:22.24 | Shadowed | Taroven: Call it once and save the variable, but yes |
| 19:22.35 | Shadowed | (bit.bor that is) |
| 19:23.28 | Cide | Adys: why why love |
| 19:23.45 | Taroven | Shadowed: So... local customType = bit.bor(0x04,0x10); local incHeals = healcomm:GetHealAmount(guid, customType, timeFrame)? |
| 19:23.56 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, microoptimizations ftw |
| 19:23.58 | Shadowed | Call the constants |
| 19:24.04 | Cide | "how 2 lose weight" "how 2 lose weight fast" |
| 19:24.10 | ZorbaTHut | taroven, seriously, if you're doing 0x04 and 0x10, you may as well just use 0x14. |
| 19:24.18 | Shadowed | ... don't |
| 19:24.24 | ZorbaTHut | that said yeah I'd use the constant names instead. |
| 19:24.24 | Taroven | Hey, I've never screwed with it. =P |
| 19:24.31 | Taroven | Constant names it is. |
| 19:24.33 | Shadowed | ignore him |
| 19:24.43 | Shadowed | HealComm.BOMB_HEALS and HealComm.HOT_HEALS are what you want |
| 19:24.51 | Taroven | Works for me, thankies. |
| 19:24.57 | Shadowed | np |
| 19:25.06 | Cide | hot/bomb heals? |
| 19:25.09 | Cide | good names |
| 19:25.12 | Dagmar | Hard-coding values instead of using abstracted constants is a short-route to fail |
| 19:25.18 | ZorbaTHut | I would also not worry all that much about the overhead of bit.bor, it's kind of silly to worry about such tiny amounts of CPU. implement it, benchmark, worry about the parts that are slow, rather than complicating your code for the sake of minute performance boosts. |
| 19:25.20 | Cide | my heals are the bomb |
| 19:25.31 | Cide | wrong, ZorbaTHut |
| 19:25.44 | Shadowed | It's pointless to call bit.bor 500000 times when the info you are boring is static |
| 19:25.54 | Shadowed | it doesn't matter if it's efficient or inefficient, it's pointless |
| 19:26.01 | Cide | implement it, release it, wait until people start bitching (they won't), fix it (don't) |
| 19:26.10 | ZorbaTHut | it's pointless to make your code more complex and difficult to read when you're going to be saving a millisecond every hour of gameplay |
| 19:26.23 | ZorbaTHut | programmer time and brainspace is a *far* more valuable commodity |
| 19:26.26 | Shadowed | Yes, a local VAR = bit.bor(...) is complicating code |
| 19:26.29 | ZorbaTHut | cide, in my experience people will bitch about anything |
| 19:26.32 | Shadowed | veryyyyy complicated |
| 19:26.49 | Shadowed | I shall store all of my variables in a single table to reduce complication! |
| 19:26.55 | ZorbaTHut | you could release a UI mod that consisted of literally zero lines of code and bytes of overhead and people would blame you for making their raids wipe |
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| 19:27.07 | Cide | I made raids succeed |
| 19:27.08 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, that sounds more complicated to me, personally. abstraction barriers and good hierarchy *reduce* complexity |
| 19:27.11 | Cide | and my addon was 25k lines |
| 19:27.21 | Cide | clearly your addons are just bad |
| 19:27.29 | Ackis | lies Cide! |
| 19:27.30 | Shadowed | Sorry, but you're being absurd |
| 19:27.31 | Ackis | kekek |
| 19:27.36 | Shadowed | but back to work |
| 19:27.37 | ZorbaTHut | adding extra code for the purposes of efficiency, and moving calculations away from the spot where they're used, *increase* complexity. |
| 19:27.45 | Shadowed | not going to argue something as inane and silly as this |
| 19:28.47 | Cide | Shadowed: can you please spell your name with a lower-case "s"? capital letters strain my eyes slightly more |
| 19:29.08 | Taroven | lawlz. |
| 19:29.21 | Cide | that's not what I asked for. |
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| 19:29.30 | Shadowed | I'm bad at directions Cide |
| 19:29.33 | Thunder_Child | do sHADOWED |
| 19:29.52 | Thunder_Child | that follows the directions |
| 19:30.52 | Thunder_Child | and besides you couldnt follow directions since 'spell' does not refer to case, it would be 'write' |
| 19:31.02 | Thunder_Child | or type |
| 19:31.09 | Cide | Eclipse fail. |
| 19:31.26 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:31.27 | Shirik | (15:31:02)  -⺠Erroneous Nickname 'sH1r1|<' |
| 19:31.34 | Cide | I would hate you so much |
| 19:31.37 | Thunder_Child | no pipes |
| 19:31.43 | Shirik | I've used pipes before |
| 19:31.47 | Cide | why doesn't realize that System.exit() is an exit point? |
| 19:31.49 | Thunder_Child | *shrug* |
| 19:32.04 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I made my offspec Blood today. |
| 19:32.07 | Cide | s/'t/'t it/ |
| 19:32.07 | DWSR | With the Citadel Enforcer's Claymore. |
| 19:32.14 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Blood's superpowered for boss tanking |
| 19:32.15 | Shirik | Cide: VS? |
| 19:32.17 | Shirik | or what |
| 19:32.17 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 19:32.21 | Cide | eclipse |
| 19:32.31 | Shirik | because there is no such thing as a function that doesn't return in Java |
| 19:32.36 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:32.38 | Shirik | the bytecode verifier will throw it out |
| 19:32.47 | Cide | well here's the "problem" |
| 19:32.48 | Shirik | C++ has a bunch of (non-standard, but widely supported) extensions for that |
| 19:32.56 | Shirik | actually didn't Java make some kind of annotation for that? |
| 19:33.22 | Cide | int i; try { i = Integer.parse(str); } catch ( NumberFormatException e ) { System.exit(1); } // Complains here that i is not initialized |
| 19:33.24 | Shirik | guess not |
| 19:33.32 | Cide | it's just a warning/style issue, of course |
| 19:33.33 | Shirik | Cide: Just start with "int i = 0" |
| 19:33.36 | Cide | right |
| 19:33.42 | Cide | but stupid |
| 19:33.43 | Shirik | it's not a warning, it's illegal |
| 19:33.46 | Cide | no it isn't |
| 19:33.56 | Shirik | coughs a "yes it is" |
| 19:34.00 | Cide | if I add a return inside the catch (after System.exit()) it works fine |
| 19:34.09 | Cide | oh |
| 19:34.11 | Cide | yes it is illegal |
| 19:34.17 | Cide | extra fail |
| 19:34.39 | Shirik | it SHOULDN'T be illegal |
| 19:34.48 | Cide | well |
| 19:34.49 | Shirik | but Java insists that it causes errors for the most minute problems |
| 19:34.55 | Cide | it should recognize System.exit() as an exit point |
| 19:34.59 | Shirik | even when they're not a problem |
| 19:34.59 | foxlit | "The inspection process may require that the handler to take off the monkey's diaper as part of the visual inspection." |
| 19:35.03 | Cide | since it terminates the JVM |
| 19:35.08 | Shirik | The thing I hate the most is |
| 19:35.10 | kd3 | </3 java stupidity |
| 19:35.31 | Shirik | final int foo; try { foo = SomeFunction(); } catch (ex) { foo = someDefaultValue; }; |
| 19:35.33 | Shirik | illegal |
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| 19:35.47 | Cide | I know |
| 19:35.47 | Shirik | foo might have been initialized twice. GOD KNOWS HOW. But it could! |
| 19:36.02 | foxlit | Nothing that's not avoidable. |
| 19:36.09 | Cide | ur not avoidable |
| 19:36.15 | foxlit | That's right. |
| 19:36.19 | Cide | :< |
| 19:36.29 | Shirik | of course, the official Java response to it is "well local constants suck anyway, just be a better programmer and don't modify things" |
| 19:36.39 | Cide | wtf? |
| 19:36.40 | Shirik | to which I say "well let's just make everything public" |
| 19:36.42 | Cide | that's strange |
| 19:36.53 | Cide | s/strange/a strange viewpoint/ |
| 19:37.13 | foxlit | The actual response is "well, make it a constant once you're sure you aren't going to modify it" |
| 19:37.26 | Shirik | I'm not modifying it! |
| 19:37.29 | Shirik | I only initialize it once |
| 19:37.38 | foxlit | Two assignments, buddy. |
| 19:37.43 | Cide | inside a try catch |
| 19:37.46 | foxlit | Cba parsing your exception logic |
| 19:37.51 | Shirik | only one of those statements can possibly execute |
| 19:38.47 | foxlit | And the compiler does not care. |
| 19:39.13 | Cide | exactly |
| 19:39.19 | Cide | but it should! |
| 19:39.53 | foxlit | Nah. It's okay to be silly in predictable ways if it simplifies your job. |
| 19:40.15 | foxlit | In this case, "Hey, two assignments!" is a good enough. |
| 19:40.30 | Cide | clearly you should do |
| 19:40.59 | Cide | int _; try { _ = SomeFunction(); } catch (ex) { _ = ...; } final int foo = _; |
| 19:41.00 | foxlit | eventually, that code might become try { i = stuff(); b = otherStuff(); } catch() { i = stuff(); }, |
| 19:41.33 | Cide | and that's when the compiler sees that |
| 19:41.55 | Cide | and checks if otherStuff() declares ex to be thrown (or in the case of a runtime exception, raises an error) |
| 19:41.59 | Cide | if it doesn't, you're still safe |
| 19:42.25 | foxlit | I don't think your reasoning is valid, but your conclusion is fine. |
| 19:42.35 | Cide | I think it's a bit over the top, yeah |
| 19:42.36 | foxlit | It'd have to choke on you the moment you added that second statement. |
| 19:42.46 | Shirik | ewwwww |
| 19:42.50 | Cide | unless it's a checked exception :P |
| 19:42.57 | Shirik | someone's propsing converting one of the servers I work on from Linux to Solaris |
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| 19:44.15 | Adys | anyone knows the rule for deposit fees in AH? |
| 19:44.27 | Adys | i know it's 5% (15% for neutral) for every x hour |
| 19:44.30 | Adys | but no idea how many hours |
| 19:46.07 | Taroven | Prolly 8. |
| 19:46.35 | Taroven | maybe 12? |
| 19:47.23 | Adys | it's a perfect dividable of 12 |
| 19:47.27 | Adys | so 1, 3, 6 or 12 |
| 19:47.43 | Adys | i know it's at least 3 |
| 19:47.51 | olafski | considering the options are 12, 24 or 48 hours I'd say it's 12 |
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| 19:49.03 | olafski | Deposit (12hr auction) = 0.15 * MSV |
| 19:49.15 | Dashkal | "<+Cide> it should recognize System.exit() as an exit point" <-- It can't. It's actually possible to override that. |
| 19:49.24 | Shirik | waaaaaaaat |
| 19:49.26 | Shirik | http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/03/25/1525208/Facebook-Leads-To-Increase-In-STDs-in-Britain |
| 19:49.38 | Cide | Dashkal: yeah, I realized that might be it |
| 19:50.17 | Dashkal | Java is every bit as malleable as lua, it just makes you jump through many more hoops to get there. |
| 19:50.28 | Cide | that's my experience too |
| 19:50.35 | Cide | and that's why it's such a pain |
| 19:50.36 | Shirik | AspectJ > Java |
| 19:50.55 | Dashkal | has performed some interesting hacks with ASM and a custom classloader |
| 19:51.12 | Shirik | (but in AspectJ, guaranteeing that anything does anything is impossible :P) |
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| 19:55.04 | Adys | olafski: that doesnt look right |
| 19:55.39 | Adys | for 12 hours, it's 1g for a price of 7g |
| 19:55.51 | Adys | but i have an amount of 5% |
| 19:55.54 | Adys | makes no sense |
| 19:56.09 | Cide | lua> 1/7 |
| 19:56.11 | Cide | fail |
| 19:56.20 | Adys | it's not 5, Cide. |
| 19:56.26 | olafski | mm well this is what it says on wowwiki |
| 19:56.35 | Cide | that's about 14.2% |
| 19:56.56 | olafski | that's 7G sell value right, not suggested buyout? |
| 19:57.12 | Adys | the wow client never has suggested buyout |
| 19:57.15 | Adys | (i dont think it does?) |
| 19:57.20 | Adys | either way its deposit value |
| 19:57.23 | Adys | er |
| 19:57.25 | Adys | wait |
| 19:57.29 | olafski | oh I mean suggested starting bid |
| 19:57.37 | Adys | 7g sell value, 1g deposit |
| 19:57.41 | olafski | it should be 15% of the merchant value |
| 19:58.01 | olafski | 1 gold is about 15% of 7 gold |
| 19:58.07 | Adys | so it's 5% for 4 hours? |
| 19:58.15 | olafski | guess you could say that |
| 19:58.31 | olafski | I don't see the point of formulating it like that |
| 19:58.40 | olafski | you can't make 4 hour auctions anyway =( |
| 19:59.07 | Matsy | Why'd you want 4 hour auctions |
| 19:59.16 | Matsy | or.. 24 hours, for that. |
| 19:59.27 | olafski | I always do 24h |
| 19:59.40 | olafski | wow my whole pc grinds to a halt at the login screen |
| 19:59.44 | olafski | wtb blank login screen =( |
| 19:59.46 | Matsy | Yeah, it does that here |
| 19:59.51 | Matsy | ALL the time |
| 20:00.04 | olafski | went to character select screen and all is fine |
| 20:00.07 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 20:00.11 | olafski | guess I'll go play on dragonblight then =) |
| 20:00.16 | DWSR | Because the character select background uses the old world models. |
| 20:00.17 | foxlit | If you're not going to put a buyout on the item, it's the ending of the bidding time that's interesting. |
| 20:00.32 | olafski | ehh. character select screen is fine unless you select a death knight =) |
| 20:00.47 | DWSR | foxlit: If you're not going to put a buyout on an item, you might as well not post it. |
| 20:00.56 | DWSR | I never see any bid only auctions with actual bids on them. |
| 20:00.57 | olafski | time to make yet another DK build =( |
| 20:01.05 | Matsy | lol, olafski |
| 20:01.05 | Matsy | ;p |
| 20:01.14 | olafski | auctions without buyout work fine at times |
| 20:01.20 | olafski | I usually sell my BoE epics that way |
| 20:01.27 | Matsy | Selling 264 BoE items on the AH never worked for me |
| 20:01.30 | ZorbaTHut | I bid on stuff all the time |
| 20:01.32 | Matsy | I still have this item I can't get rid of :+ |
| 20:01.35 | ZorbaTHut | but only in huge bulk for disenchanting |
| 20:01.44 | olafski | sold a few of those supernumerary stickers by putting them on for 30g bid, they sold for about 450g |
| 20:02.13 | olafski | bah I want 64 points in blood but then I can't have on a pale horse =( |
| 20:02.20 | Matsy | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50451 |
| 20:02.26 | Matsy | I mean, what should I ever ask for that := |
| 20:02.49 | nevcairiel | healers items usually dont go so well |
| 20:02.53 | olafski | no clue matsy |
| 20:02.56 | Matsy | Yeah, my experience as well |
| 20:03.01 | Matsy | This is only for paladin healers |
| 20:03.06 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=50787.0.3883;47816.0.3883.0.40141;47148.0.3883 |
| 20:03.09 | DWSR | pick 2. |
| 20:03.17 | olafski | just put it up for a 48 hour auction with starting bid of 1k and announce it a couple of times in trade |
| 20:03.25 | Matsy | .. 1k starting bid? |
| 20:03.29 | Matsy | That seems.. underpriced. |
| 20:03.39 | Dagmar | That's why it's a starting bid |
| 20:03.41 | Matsy | I got an offer of 4.5k already |
| 20:03.49 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, in general, the higher item levels are a reasonable choice. |
| 20:03.52 | Matsy | Not via the AH, though. |
| 20:04.10 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I'm using the 251 and the 245 |
| 20:04.12 | olafski | matsy: sure, but those bids will go up quite fast |
| 20:04.16 | Matsy | Really? |
| 20:04.17 | olafski | matsy: nobody will bid if you put it up for 4k |
| 20:04.20 | DWSR | But I was thinking of maybe using the 232 and the 245 for the stam. |
| 20:04.21 | olafski | you can always cancel it :) |
| 20:04.24 | Matsy | But, can I cancel it? |
| 20:04.25 | Matsy | Oh, really? |
| 20:04.27 | ZorbaTHut | but, honestly, it's complex enough that I'd have to work at it. |
| 20:04.34 | olafski | I think you can cancel an auction even if people have bidded(?) on it |
| 20:04.36 | Matsy | (I've never really worked with bids) |
| 20:04.38 | Matsy | Really? |
| 20:04.41 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: So....? :P |
| 20:04.42 | olafski | it's "bid" right, not "bidded" :S |
| 20:04.47 | DWSR | yes |
| 20:04.53 | olafski | I thought that looked wrong |
| 20:04.56 | olafski | anyway.. I think you can |
| 20:04.56 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* so, use the highest ilvl, or sit down with a real simulation and figure it out |
| 20:04.59 | nevcairiel | you can always cancel an auction |
| 20:05.02 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, you can |
| 20:05.12 | olafski | well, put it up for 1000 or 1500 then I'd say |
| 20:05.16 | olafski | check after 45 hours |
| 20:05.17 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: What tool do you recommend? I'm not using Rawr for weapon sims. |
| 20:05.21 | olafski | usually it'll go up the most if it's on "short" |
| 20:05.26 | DWSR | And I don't know how I would get something meaningful out of Simulationcraft. |
| 20:05.30 | Adys | for pve dps, whats best for a mage: 28 spellpower glove enchant, or engineering rocket thingY! |
| 20:05.33 | olafski | (and remember if someone bids while it's on short, the time will go up) |
| 20:05.34 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, rawr or a good spreadsheet, most likely. I don't know if a good spreadsheet exists. |
| 20:05.36 | Adys | s/Y!/y?/ |
| 20:05.48 | ZorbaTHut | or learn to program and write a better dk tank module for rawr. :D |
| 20:06.03 | Matsy | Ah! |
| 20:06.05 | Matsy | I'll just do that then |
| 20:06.09 | Kraps | Adys: whats the engineering rocket thingy do? |
| 20:06.11 | Matsy | if.. I am sure that I can cancel it |
| 20:06.19 | Matsy | Hm, I have an offer of 5k. |
| 20:06.23 | Adys | 2k dmg every 45 sec kraps |
| 20:06.27 | ZorbaTHut | adys, probably the engineering item. |
| 20:06.28 | nevcairiel | so just sell it for that |
| 20:06.47 | Matsy | Yeah, I hope so |
| 20:06.49 | ZorbaTHut | almost certainly the engineering item, actually. |
| 20:06.50 | Kraps | Adys: on use? |
| 20:06.54 | Adys | yes kraps |
| 20:06.59 | olafski | tihi my gf's guild has tried like 6 times on sart+3 and is now giving up so they can go to icc |
| 20:07.00 | Kraps | meh |
| 20:07.05 | Kaso | Wouldnt the engineering haste thing for gloves be best for mage? |
| 20:07.18 | durcyn | Adys: the spellpower's worth 2-2.5 dps per point, giving 48-70 dps, the engineering rocket maths out to around 45 |
| 20:07.28 | durcyn | even less effectively if it wastes a gcd |
| 20:07.32 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, I can't imagine how you could get through ICC and not pull off zerging sarth+3 |
| 20:07.38 | Adys | its out of gcd |
| 20:07.42 | Adys | Im not interested in perfect minmaxing |
| 20:07.51 | Adys | just wondering if the engi thing is a huge upgrade or not |
| 20:07.51 | Kaso | go for the rocket, its more fun |
| 20:07.55 | durcyn | then why the hell did you ask |
| 20:07.57 | Adys | yeah |
| 20:08.06 | Matsy | Oh, he might actually do 5.5k |
| 20:08.09 | Matsy | That's nice :) |
| 20:08.17 | Matsy | Especially since ICC is getting buffed. |
| 20:08.17 | ZorbaTHut | also the hyperspeed accelerators are quite possibly better than the pyro rocket, yeah |
| 20:08.22 | Adys | durcyn: to know whether or not I put 28sp on pve gloves |
| 20:08.22 | Matsy | And it should be easier to get the items |
| 20:08.28 | Adys | ill use them in pvp |
| 20:08.31 | olafski | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0xGqIIIkcMbsotZ0gh0xb :( not really optimal but this will do :P |
| 20:08.33 | Adys | so i rather have the rocket |
| 20:08.45 | olafski | zorbathut: well, they're not actually getting "through" |
| 20:08.50 | Matsy | No Sudden Doom? |
| 20:08.54 | olafski | they have the first 4 bosses on farm but are failing miserably on the rest |
| 20:09.02 | Matsy | Or Bladed Armor? |
| 20:09.09 | ZorbaTHut | honestly I'm kind of impressed they got *that* far |
| 20:09.24 | olafski | no this build is focused on self healing and survival matsy :) |
| 20:09.26 | Matsy | Or is this a tanking build? |
| 20:09.36 | Matsy | Oh, right |
| 20:09.38 | olafski | not exactly tanking since I mostly solo anyway |
| 20:09.43 | olafski | it's for soloing old heroics |
| 20:09.50 | olafski | but I wanted on a pale horse as well so I can do the wintersaber quests |
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| 20:10.53 | olafski | think I have all the survival talents anyway :) |
| 20:11.19 | olafski | I could replace the last few points in blood with toughness I guess |
| 20:12.25 | Taroven | WTF? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1999297/WoWScrnShot_032510_160855.jpg - Just noticed that and now it's irking me. Why the hell is the bottom of my UF background 1-2 pixels above where it was pre-patch? |
| 20:12.48 | Matsy | It's only 1-2 pixels |
| 20:13.04 | Taroven | Yeah, but it looks funky. |
| 20:13.19 | Matsy | Man, I want to do ICC-10 now |
| 20:13.25 | olafski | wry? |
| 20:13.27 | olafski | you're lvl 59! |
| 20:13.36 | Matsy | I am on my other char now, olafski |
| 20:13.40 | Matsy | Trying to sell the item |
| 20:13.42 | Matsy | I want to ninja another BoE |
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| 20:15.18 | olafski | :) |
| 20:15.27 | olafski | I just sell gems =( |
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| 20:16.02 | Matsy | :( |
| 20:17.06 | olafski | wintersaber handler here I come |
| 20:17.09 | olafski | this'll be fun! |
| 20:17.14 | Kraps | so blizzcon is oct 22 |
| 20:17.22 | Kraps | cataclysm? |
| 20:17.42 | nevcairiel | we'll most likely already have beta of cata at that time |
| 20:17.49 | nevcairiel | so they wont be able to reveal much new stuff |
| 20:17.58 | Matsy | I hope so |
| 20:18.05 | Matsy | I am really looking forward to Cataclysm |
| 20:18.23 | olafski | me too |
| 20:18.29 | olafski | though I have plenty to do in wotlk for now :) |
| 20:18.41 | olafski | don't really care either way :) |
| 20:20.01 | Ackis | if i stab myself in the eyes with a pen, will I get long term disability? |
| 20:20.30 | nevcairiel | if you completly poke your eye out, sure |
| 20:20.34 | Kraps | nevcairiel: remember when someone said last year that we'll "be complaining about goblin rogues at the next blizzcon"? people on mmo-champ are already parsing that to figure out a release date |
| 20:21.07 | NeoTron | olafski: I just sell primordial saronite |
| 20:21.10 | nevcairiel | I dont think there will be a release before blizzcon |
| 20:21.20 | olafski | I used to do that neotron |
| 20:21.28 | olafski | but I can't be bothered to do heroics anymore so no frosties for me |
| 20:21.45 | nevcairiel | no heroics, no raiding .. wtf do you do? :d |
| 20:21.50 | olafski | achievements |
| 20:21.51 | olafski | leveling |
| 20:26.04 | Kraps | is it possible to make enough gold while leveling to buy all abilities? without proffs |
| 20:26.15 | Kraps | i dont tthink so |
| 20:26.17 | EthanCentaurai | wonders what Blizzard are planning for April 1st... |
| 20:28.12 | nevcairiel | Kraps: of course it is |
| 20:28.22 | nevcairiel | you make loads of money with leveling |
| 20:28.52 | Kraps | not from where i'm standing |
| 20:29.37 | cbreak | weird problem on my server |
| 20:29.48 | cbreak | my whole guild disconnected appart from me |
| 20:30.02 | cbreak | some other people I know from other guilds have the same problem |
| 20:30.45 | foxlit | Hm, I should level a paladin. |
| 20:30.59 | olafski | I'd say it is kraps |
| 20:31.04 | olafski | up to level 20 it might be tough |
| 20:31.09 | olafski | but after that it should go fine |
| 20:31.26 | olafski | I think it also depends on which method of leveling you use.. and whether you include mount skills |
| 20:31.33 | foxlit | at least until 60 or so |
| 20:31.54 | nevcairiel | if you quest and sell the rewards, you make enough money |
| 20:31.57 | olafski | first wintersaber quest done.. bored already |
| 20:32.32 | olafski | I know back in vanilla I had to actually choose which skills to train |
| 20:33.25 | Lunessa | alestane: ping |
| 20:33.31 | alestane | pong |
| 20:34.53 | olafski | I still think it's lame that WoW's Crystal Swords don't look anything like diablo 2's |
| 20:35.00 | Kraps | i have a big leveling problem. i like starting new toons on the realm that my warrior is but if i end up not liking the server and move my warrior, i kind of abandon the other toons |
| 20:35.05 | Matsy | Wow |
| 20:35.08 | Matsy | Finally won my first BG of the day |
| 20:35.38 | olafski | gz ;) |
| 20:35.58 | Kraps | moving 2 or 3 toons is expensive |
| 20:36.34 | olafski | indeed |
| 20:36.49 | olafski | I'll just stay on my realm no matter what I guess |
| 20:36.58 | Kraps | so the only thing i can do is leave my warrior there for now and level new stuff on the server i like |
| 20:37.05 | olafski | as long as it's not laggy or down I don't care what happens on my realm =) |
| 20:37.41 | Kraps | i wanted a |
| 20:37.49 | Kraps | an RP realm |
| 20:37.59 | olafski | ah that's a big deal I guess |
| 20:38.12 | Kraps | Kirin Tor is false advertising :( |
| 20:38.18 | Ackis | Kraps: I moved 8 toons... three times :( |
| 20:38.18 | olafski | I don't really.. communicate much |
| 20:38.26 | olafski | you have plenty of cash ackis |
| 20:38.31 | Kraps | :o |
| 20:38.43 | Ackis | it was stupid of me :P |
| 20:38.56 | Ackis | and it's in the realm of why I don't play WoW anymore :P |
| 20:39.03 | Kraps | olafski: i dont either but the atmosphere is different |
| 20:39.15 | olafski | think of all the achievements you could have bought for that money ackis |
| 20:39.23 | olafski | kraps: hm. I don't really notice the atmosphere |
| 20:39.41 | Ackis | :P |
| 20:39.47 | Kraps | no, trade chat is the same :p |
| 20:40.14 | olafski | oh I'm not in any public chat channels :P |
| 20:40.28 | olafski | unless I need to sell something.. but then I quickly leave it afterwards |
| 20:41.09 | Kraps | but like walking through SW trade district, forget which server, i was all "awesome!" |
| 20:41.27 | olafski | :) |
| 20:41.33 | olafski | are you EU or US? |
| 20:41.37 | Kraps | US |
| 20:41.44 | olafski | oh right US I forgot.. the monopoly money |
| 20:41.50 | olafski | was going to suggest defias brotherhood eu |
| 20:41.59 | Matsy | DMF can be quite fun |
| 20:43.26 | olafski | DMF as realm or the DMF on an RP server? |
| 20:44.10 | olafski | heh a DK in my gf's guild just asked what the tokens that sartharion drops give |
| 20:44.10 | Dagmar | Kraps: Between quest rewards and cycling the greens through the AH I've never run out of money buying skills |
| 20:44.13 | olafski | "T7 gloves" |
| 20:44.14 | Kraps | like, a chick was advertising a voice channel, and she was singing what i think was original ditties. fucking bl |
| 20:44.16 | olafski | "oh, are they better than T9?" |
| 20:44.21 | Kraps | ew my ming |
| 20:44.26 | Kraps | mind* |
| 20:44.44 | olafski | hm I usually don't bother with greens on the AH |
| 20:44.55 | olafski | my orc warrior is now lvl 53 and has about 1100g |
| 20:45.01 | olafski | but he does have mining/skinning |
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| 20:45.04 | Dagmar | Kraps: Well, if they weren't original ASCAP would probably sue the server operator for about a million dollars |
| 20:46.00 | Kraps | no it was in-game |
| 20:46.33 | Kraps | sue blizzard for about a million dollars |
| 20:47.47 | Duman | lol |
| 20:47.48 | Dagmar | Wait... Someone used the in-game voice chat? |
| 20:47.57 | Dagmar | I don't believe you. |
| 20:47.58 | Kraps | lol yeah |
| 20:48.17 | Kraps | it wasnt bad for just singing\ |
| 20:48.32 | Dagmar | I've had the damn thing on for every LFD I've done and not once has anyone else had theirs on |
| 20:48.33 | Kraps | prolly sucks for raiding |
| 20:48.39 | Dagmar | It's not that bad |
| 20:48.52 | durcyn | the codec's shit and it's even higher latency than vent |
| 20:49.23 | Dagmar | What codec does it use? |
| 20:49.52 | olafski | I've used ingame voice for karazhan once |
| 20:49.56 | olafski | on my first and only run there |
| 20:50.15 | Kraps | olafski: bag space? |
| 20:51.00 | olafski | bag space wut? oO |
| 20:51.12 | Kraps | [16:43]<olafski>but he does have mining/skinning |
| 20:51.28 | olafski | yeah I keep one bag for that stuff |
| 20:51.32 | olafski | have backpack + 4x 16 |
| 20:51.49 | Kraps | you got em from a main |
| 20:52.32 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I believe it's a highly compressed Speex. |
| 20:52.49 | olafski | no kraps |
| 20:52.51 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I thought it was speex, but I've never seen it officially documented |
| 20:52.54 | olafski | it's my highest char on that realm =) |
| 20:53.14 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I'm not at a machine where I can go digging either. |
| 20:53.18 | Kraps | :( |
| 20:53.33 | Dagmar | Speex is one of them that Ventrilo can use, but it depends on what the server is set to |
| 20:53.49 | Dagmar | Clearly the sample rate WoW is using is pretty low tho, likely to reduce bandwidth used |
| 20:54.07 | Dagmar | Mumble, also mainly speex |
| 20:54.15 | olafski | horde is very low population so stuff on the AH is generally expensive |
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| 20:54.23 | olafski | but 16 slot bags are like 8g each |
| 20:54.35 | olafski | and bags are always a good investment :P |
| 20:54.49 | Dagmar | That's why ya makes ya a DK that does tailoring |
| 20:55.02 | Dagmar | Easy access to frostweave bags |
| 20:55.08 | olafski | pff :P |
| 20:55.12 | Dagmar | I'm working on upgrading my trading alt to all glacial |
| 20:55.28 | olafski | not exactly the fastest way to get frostweave bags on a new realm :P |
| 20:55.41 | Dagmar | Faster than starting at level 1. |
| 20:55.53 | olafski | very unlikely |
| 20:56.02 | Lunessa | My brother did tailoring on his paladin... because he wanted a gorram flying carpet, and that was the only way to get it. |
| 20:56.22 | olafski | that's a proper reason :P |
| 20:56.26 | olafski | but if it's just for the bags, better take mining |
| 20:56.48 | Dagmar | olafski: Last year I _started_ a DK on a PvP server thinking my coworkers were acutally going to stop screwing around and raid there. Three nights of play had hte DK cranking them out |
| 20:57.06 | olafski | leveling tailoring to whatever level is needed for frostweave bags costs a ton of money, much more than just buying them on the AH |
| 20:57.11 | Dagmar | After four nights I was flooding their guild bank with bags and <60 enchants |
| 20:57.32 | Dagmar | Not really. Mainly it involves beating the crap out of some instances filled with humanoids |
| 20:57.47 | Dagmar | ...and a wee bit of spider farming for that one annoying spot |
| 20:58.15 | olafski | how do you get enough money to buy frostweave/netherweave? :s |
| 20:58.28 | olafski | low level dungeons don't generally drop that much money |
| 20:58.39 | olafski | besides, that's 3 nights playing a char you might not want to play :) |
| 20:58.44 | Dagmar | You kill lots of orcs in Outlands |
| 20:59.04 | olafski | I wanted a warrior, not a DK |
| 20:59.05 | Dagmar | I specced that toon for genocide over leveling |
| 20:59.20 | olafski | one DK is enough for me =) |
| 20:59.39 | Kraps | laterz |
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| 21:00.03 | Dagmar | It should be interesting to see what's goign on with those new pets when I get home |
| 21:00.21 | Thunder_Child | " I just witnessed two drunk midgets fighting over a graham cracker. I can die happy now." >.< |
| 21:00.23 | olafski | I have two warriors now though.. but still =) |
| 21:00.58 | Dagmar | Seriously tho if you need to break into a new economy, a DK that's doing enchanting/tailoring is a good way to start, assuming there's actually people making freaking vellums |
| 21:01.11 | Dagmar | s/new/established/; |
| 21:02.43 | olafski | yeah I guess that's a good way |
| 21:02.48 | olafski | I'm ok with the money I make now though |
| 21:02.49 | Dagmar | Mining involves competition and is somewhat respawn-bound |
| 21:02.57 | olafski | I just mine whatever I encounter |
| 21:03.12 | Dagmar | need more cloth? walk outside Shadowfang Keep or Scarlet Monastery, reset the instance, rinse, repeat |
| 21:03.15 | olafski | not gonna run around just for mining like some pleb |
| 21:03.44 | Dagmar | I did a bunch of that the last two days |
| 21:03.55 | Dagmar | Got enough stuff to make 13 more Lil Smoky's |
| 21:03.56 | olafski | never understood that =( |
| 21:04.13 | olafski | but to each his own, most people don't understand why I dislike raiding either ;p |
| 21:04.34 | Dagmar | I don't really run around so much as I simply skip gryphon flights |
| 21:05.04 | Dagmar | ...although the last two sessions were "fly to Un'goro, pound flame elementals, fly to Silithus, pound earth elementals, fly back" |
| 21:05.07 | olafski | the only money I make now is from epic gems.. takes 3 minutes per day, and that's all I am willing to spend on moneymaking :) |
| 21:05.45 | Dagmar | I had to go get more copper and iron both since I had sold off all those low-level mats |
| 21:06.34 | olafski | yeah those new pets probably sell quite well |
| 21:06.38 | olafski | "new" |
| 21:06.39 | Dagmar | I didn't see anyone else bothering, so I'm pretty sure that the lack of core of earth and the flame ingredients mean I've probably got free reign of what to sell the lil smokies for until someone else gets unlazy |
| 21:06.54 | olafski | guildie made about 7k in a day |
| 21:06.55 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, why would you want to make 13 li'l smoky's? |
| 21:07.06 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Because they're actually selling for >150g |
| 21:07.12 | ZorbaTHut | oh I see they're no longer BoP |
| 21:07.16 | Dagmar | Yeees |
| 21:07.21 | ZorbaTHut | huh, maybe I should make some of 'em too |
| 21:07.34 | olafski | hm wonder if it's worth setting my HS to everlook for these wintersaber quests |
| 21:07.36 | ZorbaTHut | I'm already cornering my server's market on yetis and toads |
| 21:07.38 | Dagmar | The pet bombling components aren't in such short supply so they're selling for 60-80g |
| 21:08.11 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: You'll become familiar with the little magma area in the middle of Un'goro |
| 21:08.23 | ZorbaTHut | no I won't, I'll become familiar with the auction house. |
| 21:08.32 | ZorbaTHut | and by "become", I mean "remain". |
| 21:08.40 | Dagmar | hope there's heart of fire and essence of fires around then |
| 21:09.02 | Lunessa | I've always found herbalism to be a ridiculously easy money-maker. |
| 21:09.12 | Dagmar | I actually had to take my trading alt and dump his tailoring skill for jewelcrafting just to make the stupid delicate copper wire to turn into fused wiring |
| 21:09.15 | ZorbaTHut | eh, I put it in my snatch listing, then gradually buy 'em up |
| 21:09.39 | Dagmar | ...so of course I listed a bunch of sets of 3 delicate copper wire for 3g33s apiece |
| 21:11.09 | Dagmar | Being that people were acutaly buying my surplus fused wiring at 20-24g, I figure it's a fair enough price. |
| 21:11.50 | olafski | what do you do with all this money? |
| 21:12.05 | Dagmar | olafski: Buy things. Like motorcycles |
| 21:12.16 | ZorbaTHut | I just sort of sit on it right now. |
| 21:12.18 | olafski | hm |
| 21:12.25 | ZorbaTHut | I've got almost 50k gold. |
| 21:12.26 | Dagmar | I'm pretty much prepping for whatever form of gold sink that X-53 touring rocket will take if they go that route |
| 21:12.44 | Dagmar | Heh. I'm not that miserly. Sitting at about 7k total |
| 21:13.23 | olafski | 11k here.. making about 500g a day with my alchemy |
| 21:13.30 | olafski | I bought a mammoth last week |
| 21:13.46 | olafski | think I'll grab the cheap tournament mounts later |
| 21:14.05 | Dagmar | I'm going to have to make a chute cloak soon |
| 21:14.11 | olafski | 90 pets, 78 mounts.. not sure I'll make 100 mounts before cata =( |
| 21:14.21 | Dagmar | ...otherwise it won't be nearly as funny to dismount hte passenger rocket in mid-flight |
| 21:14.29 | ajmitch | 500G a day from alchemy isn't too bad |
| 21:14.34 | ZorbaTHut | I've got like 94 mounts |
| 21:15.10 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, the engineer cloak enchant is generally better than the actual cloak |
| 21:15.11 | olafski | ffs I have some addon that keeps closing questgivers |
| 21:15.12 | Dagmar | Yeah that' pretty good |
| 21:15.42 | olafski | ajmitch: I should note that I have 3 chars with 450 alch :P |
| 21:15.58 | Dagmar | Zorbathut: I'll look into that, I've basically just been comfortable with cratering until now |
| 21:16.03 | olafski | I just transmute 3x every day, that's all I do for moneys |
| 21:16.03 | ajmitch | I just have 1 :) |
| 21:16.14 | ZorbaTHut | the cloak enchant is awesome |
| 21:16.21 | DWSR | Dagmar: Springy Arachnoweave. |
| 21:16.25 | ZorbaTHut | you stop seeing cliffs as danger, and start seeing them as OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUN |
| 21:17.00 | DWSR | rocket boots + cloak or disengage + cloak = fun |
| 21:17.09 | zenzelezz | I had a bit of an epiphany in Burning Crusade... when I decided to see if Shield Wall affected fall damage |
| 21:17.15 | zenzelezz | from Aldor Rise |
| 21:17.22 | DWSR | zenzelezz: It does, iirc. |
| 21:17.25 | zenzelezz | it does not |
| 21:17.34 | DWSR | ah heh |
| 21:17.40 | DWSR | No idea how I survived the fall in my ToC today then |
| 21:17.56 | zenzelezz | well, I haven't tried it since, so it might have changed |
| 21:18.03 | zenzelezz | but I haven't heard of it at least |
| 21:18.04 | olafski | defensive stance reduces it |
| 21:18.08 | olafski | or used to anyway? |
| 21:18.34 | zenzelezz | well, 10% of way more than your health is still more than your health =) |
| 21:18.37 | olafski | I remember always jumping off the zeppelin at undercity and seeing people die next to me |
| 21:18.50 | olafski | zenzelezz: back when I did that, you would take a max of 100% of your hp in falling damage |
| 21:19.00 | olafski | def stance reduced it to 90% so you'd always survive |
| 21:19.09 | zenzelezz | peculiar |
| 21:20.29 | olafski | oh man listening to their vent provides me with more amusement than raiding ever could |
| 21:21.20 | Matsy | What, what vent |
| 21:21.21 | Matsy | ;o |
| 21:21.25 | Matsy | I am in my own vent right now |
| 21:21.34 | olafski | my gf's guild |
| 21:21.40 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, I was in one of the worst raids I've ever been in a while back, with one of the most horrifying vents ever |
| 21:21.51 | ZorbaTHut | it was so bad that when three people dropped, I managed to convince guildies to join the raid just to listen in on vent |
| 21:21.56 | ZorbaTHut | they all agreed that it was worth it |
| 21:22.01 | ZorbaTHut | (we still weren't able to kill anything) |
| 21:22.10 | zenzelezz | what were you raiding? |
| 21:22.23 | ZorbaTHut | zenz, toc25 |
| 21:22.34 | ZorbaTHut | didn't get to icehowl once out of, like, six tries |
| 21:23.36 | foxlit | northrend beasts are hard, mmkay? |
| 21:24.05 | ZorbaTHut | hey man, those worms |
| 21:24.08 | ZorbaTHut | there's *two* of them |
| 21:24.15 | ZorbaTHut | what the fuck, blizzard, how are we meant to kill two bosses at once |
| 21:24.24 | Dagmar | MOAR DEEPS |
| 21:24.31 | Dagmar | points at VoA |
| 21:24.41 | ajmitch | make sure they face into the raid & tank them together in one spot |
| 21:24.56 | Dagmar | Those little kobolds are annoying as hell |
| 21:24.58 | zenzelezz | ZorbaTHut: you should have taken them to Leotheras, or (god forbid) one of the council-type encouners |
| 21:25.00 | zenzelezz | *encouners |
| 21:25.01 | Dagmar | "OMNOMNOM" on your head |
| 21:25.05 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 21:25.07 | zenzelezz | *encounters |
| 21:25.31 | foxlit | "And there you will face not one, but two Lich Kings!" |
| 21:26.30 | Lunessa | Not two, but THIRTY Jormungars!" |
| 21:27.43 | ZorbaTHut | "so, bad news, but Cataclysm's taking a bit longer than we expected. We're going to add a new raid with a boss stronger than any you've ever seen before: KIL'JAEDEN! Wait, we've done that before? Alright, KIL'JAEDEN TWINS" |
| 21:28.06 | zenzelezz | man... I still pity Kil'Jaeden |
| 21:28.37 | zenzelezz | he's like this real bad-ass, putting Illidan in place and all, and he's tucked into an "oops, we need a filler..." raid |
| 21:28.43 | batrick | nah |
| 21:28.52 | batrick | catyclysm's final raid boss will be river tam |
| 21:29.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Stew-a (~Stewart@unafilliated/stewa/x-008753) |
| 21:29.06 | Lunessa | And she'll kill us all with her mind. |
| 21:29.19 | ZorbaTHut | zenzelezz, he'll be back |
| 21:29.29 | foxlit | But, um, it's not a burning crusade without Kil anyway |
| 21:29.30 | batrick | emphasis on *final* |
| 21:29.31 | ZorbaTHut | the Burning Crusade is nowhere near defeated, just delayed a bit. |
| 21:29.35 | zenzelezz | I'm curious which of Emerald Dream or Sargeras we'll see first |
| 21:29.46 | foxlit | So he kind of had to be in that expansion cycle |
| 21:29.48 | ZorbaTHut | I'm betting on Emerald Dream being the next expansion |
| 21:29.54 | ZorbaTHut | Thrall's plotline is leading up to it |
| 21:30.13 | foxlit | Thrall has a plot line? |
| 21:30.18 | ZorbaTHut | I told everyone the expansion after Wrath was going to be either the Maelstrom or the Emerald Dream, and I mean, here we are |
| 21:30.20 | DWSR | ~whalenuke foxlit |
| 21:30.21 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around foxlit with his mind powers. |
| 21:30.22 | zenzelezz | I'm very happy about Deathwing returning, but I've been hoping for Sargeras for a while. I guess he may a bit too god-like to use yet |
| 21:31.41 | ZorbaTHut | I'm curious whether they'll do a big Titan storyline before or after Sargeras |
| 21:32.06 | ZorbaTHut | but honestly they have a *pile* of plotlines that they have available for future expansions |
| 21:32.13 | ZorbaTHut | they are not hurting for ideas. |
| 21:33.30 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 21:34.30 | ZorbaTHut | still got at least three Old Gods left, for one. |
| 21:35.13 | nevcairiel | old gods are boring |
| 21:35.17 | nevcairiel | its always the same |
| 21:35.46 | nevcairiel | oh noes, the old god tainted the land and corrupted its inhabitants, you have to slay them now and then slay him! |
| 21:35.47 | Ackis | ~seen kd3 |
| 21:35.51 | purl | kd3 is currently on #wowuidev (2h 8m 52s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2h 41s, last said: '</3 java stupidity'. |
| 21:37.20 | foxlit | nevcairiel: But think of the hilarity! |
| 21:37.28 | olafski | the same DK who earlier asked if T7 is better than T9 just got DC'd during a boss fight and keeps telling everybody in a very loud voice about every connection attempts he makes... while the rest is trying to communicate the boss kill |
| 21:37.34 | foxlit | We've poked out someone's eye and stomach in vanilla. |
| 21:38.28 | zenzelezz | old gods as we know them might be dull - but they could pull any number of interesting stunts with new ones |
| 21:38.39 | foxlit | Envision fighting a giant nose. |
| 21:38.53 | Dagmar | Just so long as they dont start stranding people on remote tropical islands |
| 21:39.06 | olafski | woopwoop friendly with wintersaber ;p |
| 21:39.09 | nevcairiel | foxlit: and the brain in ulduar |
| 21:39.38 | foxlit | A bit of neural surgery there |
| 21:39.40 | Dagmar | Vicious impaling nostril hair attacks |
| 21:40.21 | nevcairiel | also, whats the best warrior tanking meta gem these days? |
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| 21:44.00 | olafski | stam/armor if you have enough defense I guess |
| 21:46.06 | olafski | man I should start recording this vent |
| 21:47.48 | olafski | [same DK again, while they are explaining who gets to jump over at the gunship battle]: I fell down |
| 21:47.58 | olafski | and after he returns: where is my fish feast? |
| 21:48.07 | olafski | his horribly stupid sounding dutch accent makes it all the better |
| 21:51.29 | ZorbaTHut | stam/armor, yeah |
| 21:52.15 | nevcairiel | i should really look for a raid, i'm pretty close to BiS-preraid now, although the choice in trinkets is kinda disappointing |
| 21:52.37 | olafski | raiding just for the gear? =( |
| 21:54.20 | nevcairiel | raiding for gear, gear for raiding, playing for fun .. whats the difference :d |
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| 21:57.24 | industrial | Any hunters in here? I need help on my gear. |
| 21:57.25 | industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=eu.grim-batol.seryan |
| 21:57.28 | industrial | I am wondering if I should go for ArP like that. if it weighs up. I could also just pump AGI everywhere .. |
| 21:59.13 | olafski | nevcairiel: well, it sounded like you just wanted to raid because there was no more items to get outside raids :P |
| 22:00.23 | mikma | haste: ikma> @ tarkotin sulle 3 lasia |
| 22:00.30 | mikma | whops |
| 22:00.43 | mikma | haste: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47869 |
| 22:00.53 | mikma | failing with touchscreen = funny |
| 22:01.18 | nevcairiel | olafski: everyone has their own motivations to raid :d |
| 22:01.35 | olafski | just seems shallow to me.. but as I said before to each his own :P |
| 22:01.50 | olafski | I guess most of the wow players actually raid for the purplz anyway :P |
| 22:02.18 | foxlit | Pick any multibyte utf8 encoding of a unicode character |
| 22:02.36 | foxlit | And tell me how to type that character in windows :) |
| 22:02.58 | olafski | the euro sign? |
| 22:03.08 | mikma | ¤ |
| 22:03.09 | foxlit | I'm on a very fancy keyboard. |
| 22:03.15 | olafski | just guessing, I dunno if that's a multibyte thing |
| 22:03.42 | foxlit | It has both the dollar, pound and euro signs on it, but only $ is part of the actual layout I've set up |
| 22:04.10 | zenzelezz | Æ, Ø, Å? |
| 22:04.26 | zenzelezz | think those are >127 ASCII |
| 22:04.33 | foxlit | It's a US keyboard. |
| 22:04.45 | foxlit | Well, UK. But the layout is US. |
| 22:04.45 | olafski | I don't even know how to write a euro sign in irc =( |
| 22:05.01 | nevcairiel | unless you have a key for it, you cant natively type utf-8 chars in windows |
| 22:05.02 | zenzelezz | alt-gr E |
| 22:05.09 | nevcairiel | not that i know of anyway |
| 22:05.12 | olafski | that won't do for me I think zenzelezz :P |
| 22:05.14 | foxlit | Not much of a problem on a mac: hold alt and swipe fingers across keyboard: ¡â¢Â£Â¢â§¶â¢ÂªÂº |
| 22:05.19 | zenzelezz | olafski: tried it? |
| 22:05.24 | olafski | what's alt-gr? :P |
| 22:05.27 | olafski | right alt? |
| 22:05.44 | olafski | pretty sure putty, screen or irssi won't take it though |
| 22:05.47 | zenzelezz | yes. Think it's considered "ctrl+alt", but I'm not sure |
| 22:06.08 | foxlit | lua> string.reverse |
| 22:06.23 | olafski | just pops out an 'e' |
| 22:06.49 | olafski | alt+0128 obviously doesnt work either |
| 22:06.51 | olafski | Â |
| 22:06.51 | olafski | :) |
| 22:06.54 | foxlit | lua> "hi" |
| 22:07.13 | foxlit | Looks like it's only purl :( |
| 22:08.19 | mikma | !lua print("!") |
| 22:08.19 | batbot | mikma: ! |
| 22:08.55 | foxlit | !lua print(("rats live on no evil star"):reverse()); |
| 22:08.55 | batbot | foxlit: rats live on no evil star |
| 22:09.27 | olafski | =) |
| 22:09.41 | mikma | !lua print(("saippuakauppias"):reverse()) |
| 22:09.41 | batbot | mikma: saippuakauppias |
| 22:10.02 | olafski | anyone can create those in finnish |
| 22:10.13 | olafski | just type random letters and copypaste them in reverse |
| 22:11.41 | zenzelezz | I doubt rats could live on any star, good or evil, unless they have as yet undiscovered super powers |
| 22:13.04 | mikma | olafski: but that word has a meaning too! |
| 22:13.09 | mikma | "soapvendor" |
| 22:13.13 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: there is a registry setting to enable hexadecimal number entry http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm |
| 22:13.30 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: I'm sure you could also do it as alt+numpad |
| 22:13.40 | foxlit | I just don't know any numbers, so it's shooting in the dark |
| 22:13.44 | zenzelezz | no, you can't |
| 22:13.48 | zenzelezz | you need that setting |
| 22:13.54 | foxlit | Then it's on by default |
| 22:14.06 | Arrowmaster | the alt numpad thing is listed on that page |
| 22:14.11 | Arrowmaster | read the details |
| 22:14.26 | zenzelezz | don't know about newer versions of Windows, but in XP it was off by default |
| 22:14.29 | Arrowmaster | 2 is what most people do but its limited |
| 22:15.02 | Arrowmaster | 1 needs a registry setting to enable it and you have to press the + key on the numpad after you start holding alt |
| 22:17.07 | zenzelezz | for some reason I always try 2280, that's the only one I can remember |
| 22:18.10 | Arrowmaster | 2280? |
| 22:18.24 | zenzelezz | â |
| 22:19.47 | Arrowmaster | U+2280 DOES NOT PRECEDE |
| 22:22.14 | olafski | 2280 seems to be è? |
| 22:22.23 | olafski | same as alt+137 |
| 22:22.25 | zenzelezz | nope |
| 22:22.38 | zenzelezz | it's exactly what Arrowmaster said |
| 22:22.38 | olafski | hm that's what it does on my keyboard anyway :P |
| 22:22.40 | Arrowmaster | how did you type it |
| 22:22.47 | olafski | alt+02280 |
| 22:23.14 | olafski | not gonna change a reg setting for something I'll never use ;) |
| 22:23.37 | Dagmar | What kind of Windows user do you think you are? |
| 22:23.46 | Arrowmaster | see you just looked up the 228 decimal entry in ISO-8859-1 most likely |
| 22:23.52 | olafski | hmm |
| 22:24.02 | olafski | don't know dagmar.. a pragmatic one I guess |
| 22:24.03 | Dagmar | Once you've opened regedit you're supposed to change anything that strikes your fancy, or contains the initials of your ex-girlfriend. |
| 22:24.14 | olafski | I hadn't opened regedit |
| 22:24.31 | olafski | if something doesn't work the way I want I will complain about it for a week |
| 22:24.35 | olafski | maybe after that I will change it |
| 22:24.54 | Arrowmaster | if you change the registry setting you can still use the old method since they dont conflict |
| 22:25.03 | olafski | sure but it requires effort |
| 22:25.39 | zenzelezz | but if you don't do it, how can you impress your friends with random unicode characters? â
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| 22:27.49 | Arrowmaster | ok thats cool, i did ctrl-shift-u2280 and it shows that symbol but i think its making it from combining characters because i have to backspace twice to remove it |
| 22:28.09 | zenzelezz | I think that's just your input method being smart |
| 22:28.54 | Dagmar | It was wonna them dipped thongs |
| 22:29.29 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("â"):gsub(".", function(x) return "\\" .. x:byte() end) |
| 22:29.50 | Arrowmaster | --> ("â"):gsub(".", function(x) return "\\" .. x:byte() end) |
| 22:29.50 | batbot | Arrowmaster: > \226\138\128, 3 |
| 22:30.43 | Arrowmaster | --> ("âº"):gsub(".", function(x) return "\\" .. x:byte() end) |
| 22:30.44 | batbot | Arrowmaster: > \226\137\186, 3 |
| 22:33.11 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think its just the input method being smart, it turns U+2280 DOES NOT PRECEDE into U+227A PRECEDES = lower rank than |
| 22:33.22 | Arrowmaster | when i try to backspace it once |
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| 22:34.57 | kd3 | whee, 200,000 honor later, all 5 pvp mounts |
| 22:35.06 | Kraps | yay for traveling 1.5 hours in an ambulette |
| 22:35.15 | Kraps | wait no |
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| 22:47.05 | industrial | np: Falcom Sound Team - Release of The Far West Ocean (Ys Vi The Ark Of Napthism) |
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| 22:55.24 | Kraps | k turned in my marks |
| 22:59.07 | foxlit | "tonumber: this function always converts [its argument] into a base 10 number" |
| 23:00.02 | zenzelezz | just like the US justice system then; that also converts arguments into base 10 numbers |
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| 23:03.20 | Thunder_Child | ~lart industrial |
| 23:03.20 | purl | blasts industrial with a huge firehose then strangles industrial with it |
| 23:06.03 | foxlit | !lua t = {"a", "b", "c", "d"}; for k,v in pairs(t) do t[v] = k; end print("Done") |
| 23:06.03 | batbot | foxlit: Done |
| 23:06.32 | foxlit | Hey, that's not supposed to happen. |
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| 23:08.05 | Thunder_Child | snickers @ foxlit |
| 23:09.06 | foxlit | wru, fail-fast behavior? |
| 23:09.14 | foxlit | I wanted to ask how it knew, and apparently it doesn't. |
| 23:12.21 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/03/25/sociologists-using-warcraft-to-predict-the-future-of-human-civil/ |
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| 23:23.30 | Hirsute | Well, this is cute. Reloading my UI somehow breaks logging out and quitting the game via anything short of clicking the "X" on the game window. |
| 23:23.52 | foxlit | someone complained about that earlier as well |
| 23:24.02 | foxlit | Youtube is giving my Lua script 403s :( |
| 23:25.26 | foxlit | with weird suggestions that it is not in the same country as me :/ |
| 23:25.27 | Nechckn | Kraps - some interesting insights. Still not sure that WoW is some sort of soothsayer of things to come, but the point about somehow saving some bits of today's games for the future to look back upon and mock should be created/maintained. |
| 23:26.24 | Hirsute | foxlit: re YouTube http://bit.ly/caOL7v |
| 23:26.29 | Dagmar | "New Two-Ply Green Hills of Stranglethorn!" |
| 23:27.13 | foxlit | Hirsute: but my browser is okay :/ |
| 23:27.45 | foxlit | Perhaps they started requiring cookies for some region-protected content. I do wonder. |
| 23:28.11 | Hirsute | Hrmm. YouTube has been pretty flaky for me all around today, but I haven't detected any consistent problems. Maybe it just doesn't like your script because they haven't really "fixed" their sability issues, but worked around them instead. |
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| 23:37.37 | Adys | shadowed |
| 23:37.39 | Adys | what did you do |
| 23:37.49 | Shadowed | I did a lot of things, for example I ate and will be eating again shortly |
| 23:37.50 | Shadowed | I'm breathing |
| 23:38.02 | Shadowed | also, I'm typing to you explaining what I did, which in itself is explaining something I'm doing which is pretty much a recursion |
| 23:39.28 | Kraps | CoC 4 is out |
| 23:40.23 | foxlit | o? |
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| 23:47.12 | Thunder_Child | it's been out for a bit now |
| 23:47.22 | foxlit | Apparently my locale-identification lives in some cookie somewhere |
| 23:48.57 | Kraps | MLB 2K10 |
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| 23:49.00 | Thunder_Child | just like you |
| 23:49.30 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 23:49.37 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 23:49.40 | Fisker | Kraps |
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| 23:49.44 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 23:49.46 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 23:49.48 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 23:49.51 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 23:49.54 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 23:49.57 | Fisker | :) |
| 23:49.59 | Fisker | hey you |
| 23:50.01 | tekkub | tekkub |
| 23:50.06 | Fisker | Fisker |
| 23:50.08 | Kraps | hey hey |
| 23:50.15 | Fisker | are you playing just cause 2? |
| 23:50.29 | Kraps | no, watching the trailer |
| 23:51.57 | Kraps | is it good |
| 23:52.12 | Fisker | i think it is |
| 23:54.11 | Fisker | man |
| 23:54.26 | Fisker | and i thought tarren mill players were a bit whiny |
| 23:54.31 | Kraps | 1. i dont have disposable income right now |
| 23:54.40 | Fisker | wanting beta keys etc. for downtime, even though it was pretty much daily downtime at raiding hours |
| 23:54.42 | Kraps | 2. i'd rather buy AC2 |
| 23:55.16 | Fisker | Then Cyclone went down 2 times in a week and people are cancelling their accounts and posting equally, or even higher demands |
| 23:55.17 | Fisker | lol |
| 23:56.51 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5501867/nbc-proves-once-more-how-out-of-touch-they-are-with-women-gaming-piece |
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