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| 05:18.42 | Shirik | lmao |
| 05:18.44 | Shirik | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129121838983491465.jpg |
| 05:24.11 | Cide | nice |
| 05:31.59 | Adys | jnwhiteh: you around? |
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| 07:26.53 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
| 07:39.11 | nevcairiel | Adys: pong |
| 07:39.22 | Adys | nevcairiel: found it, reduce() :P |
| 07:39.31 | nevcairiel | eh? |
| 07:39.45 | Adys | I was looking for a way to "join" a list on an operator |
| 07:39.56 | nevcairiel | ah, i see |
| 07:39.59 | Adys | eg [foo, bar, baz] becomes (foo | bar | baz) |
| 07:40.03 | Adys | although i wonder if there is a "better" way to do this |
| 07:40.13 | Adys | since reduce is gone in 3k, stays in functools tho |
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| 07:55.25 | Adys | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/3/19/subterfuge-and-social-media/ |
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| 07:55.52 | nevcairiel | twitter is the end of the world!!111 |
| 07:59.11 | Wobin | is that why the failwhale is being carried by birds? |
| 08:01.17 | Adys | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1587782&cid=31530778 |
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| 08:02.30 | nevcairiel | nvidia released opengl 3.3 drivers, just a week after the standard was finalized, nice speed =) |
| 08:03.20 | DWSR | Adys: The sad part is that it's amazingly true |
| 08:03.23 | Adys | Aye, they've been extremely fast with opengl releases |
| 08:03.34 | Adys | DWSR: all the comments are hilarious |
| 08:03.40 | Adys | this rarely happens on slashdot anymore |
| 08:03.48 | Adys | Never, ever screw with a company that's in the business of collecting information. Heck, that's Google's *ONLY* business. |
| 08:03.48 | Adys | The crunching sound you hear is viacom stepping on its own dick. |
| 08:05.06 | DWSR | Wouldn't it be a...squishy sort of sound? |
| 08:05.24 | Adys | Depends how much of a hard on viacom was getting when sending takedowns |
| 08:05.38 | ZorbaTHut | holy shit, that's an amazing public slam from Google |
| 08:05.46 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: I linked it yesterday! |
| 08:05.52 | ZorbaTHut | yeah well I didn't see it |
| 08:05.56 | ZorbaTHut | so I'm going to comment on it now |
| 08:05.56 | Adys | I THINK YOU DID |
| 08:05.59 | ZorbaTHut | DEAL |
| 08:06.04 | Adys | kay |
| 08:09.16 | DWSR | All I have to say is thus: |
| 08:09.21 | DWSR | Don't fuck with the Google. |
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| 08:12.21 | DWSR | Dagmar |
| 08:16.00 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/all/deep_sea_vast_ocean/ |
| 08:16.01 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/all/thr_from_abo/ |
| 08:16.02 | Adys | \o/ |
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| 09:03.28 | msoul | players are getting hustle nowadays... my gear is decent to tank onyxia/toc10 normal and still i get some complaints... did ony and it went well but the fact they give you silly comments is up there |
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| 09:03.59 | msoul | the only thing i am missing really is a good shield and i don't think it's an issue for those 2 raids until i get an upgrade or two from those 2 raids |
| 09:04.47 | Fisker | you |
| 09:06.43 | Shirik | goes to sleep |
| 09:06.58 | msoul | sleep tight |
| 09:07.25 | msoul | wouldn't hesitate to play on US realms if the time difference wasn't an issue |
| 09:08.35 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 09:08.39 | Fisker | i just got trolled |
| 09:08.47 | Shirik | is this supposed to be news? |
| 09:09.12 | Fisker | naw |
| 09:09.19 | msoul | thought you went to hit the sack |
| 09:09.28 | Fisker | Someone said that bosses could parry from behind |
| 09:09.33 | Fisker | I told him they couldn't |
| 09:09.42 | Fisker | then he said he knew that and i was just trolling him |
| 09:09.43 | Fisker | :( |
| 09:10.45 | msoul | heh |
| 09:10.59 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: you around? |
| 09:11.18 | ZorbaTHut | yup, what's up? |
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| 09:11.40 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: you're the one who's maintaining the tanking page on elitistjerks right? |
| 09:11.59 | ZorbaTHut | the warrior tank spreadsheet, yes, if that's what you mean |
| 09:12.20 | msoul | yeah |
| 09:14.34 | msoul | have to check it when i get home |
| 09:14.49 | msoul | and French sucks |
| 09:14.53 | ZorbaTHut | it's a little out of date, unfortunately |
| 09:14.57 | ZorbaTHut | I need to get back to it and update it |
| 09:15.14 | msoul | ah okie |
| 09:15.37 | msoul | couldn't open the file on our uni computers |
| 09:15.44 | msoul | havin french lesson at the moment :) |
| 09:15.51 | ZorbaTHut | fair 'nuff :) |
| 09:16.14 | msoul | choose French over German cause when i hear 2 Germans speak it sounds liek they'll vomit on each other :P |
| 09:16.36 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: ally btw or horde? |
| 09:17.02 | msoul | err |
| 09:17.24 | ZorbaTHut | ally, right now, though I may end up switching in a bit |
| 09:18.07 | msoul | thinkig of doing it myself... been horde for a while and thought to switching sides... probably night elf it's racial ability soudns good for tanking |
| 09:18.31 | ZorbaTHut | man this puzzle game is pretty dang grueling. if anyone wants a totally sweet puzzle game, check out SquareLogic on Steam |
| 09:18.38 | krka | Shadowmeld sucks for tanking |
| 09:18.40 | ZorbaTHut | I figure switching races for the sake of racial bonuses is a bad idea |
| 09:18.46 | ZorbaTHut | it's all changing in 4.0 anyway |
| 09:19.00 | ZorbaTHut | and the racial bonuses are minimal enough that it's kinda not worth worrying too much about |
| 09:19.12 | zenzio | yup |
| 09:19.22 | zenzio | if you're going to go Alliance, go human for Diplomacy |
| 09:19.28 | zenzio | won't help your tanking, but save you some grind |
| 09:19.29 | ZorbaTHut | I can't decide if I want to be orc, troll, or tauren, personally, but it's mostly based on looks and a hatred of weapon-type expertise bonuses |
| 09:19.37 | ZorbaTHut | not really on any minmaxing |
| 09:19.39 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: looks like you have to think to play that game so no thanks |
| 09:19.44 | ZorbaTHut | the downside is that then you're a human |
| 09:19.59 | ZorbaTHut | aka "the second-worst race" |
| 09:20.01 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: but as a tank you're so covered in armor that you never see that |
| 09:20.03 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: orc for the axe expertise thingie |
| 09:20.13 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, no armor can obscure your ugliness |
| 09:20.16 | Kalroth | I got Shatter yesterday though, its more up my alley |
| 09:20.17 | nevcairiel | I like being nelf, shadowmeld saves much time when leveling :D |
| 09:20.27 | Kalroth | <nevcairiel> I like being nelf <- BURN IT |
| 09:20.31 | ZorbaTHut | msoul, see, that's the thing, I don't really want to be sitting there saying "hmm, I would switch weapons, but the bonus expertise on this axe is good" |
| 09:20.33 | msoul | zenzio: yeah my dk will be human :) |
| 09:20.37 | Kalroth | finds the torch. |
| 09:20.41 | nevcairiel | and the miss bonus is good for tanking, too |
| 09:20.41 | ZorbaTHut | I like having a bit of flexibility in my weaponry, and orc gets rid of a chunk of that :/ |
| 09:20.50 | msoul | hehe |
| 09:20.58 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: i play as a troll warrior atm |
| 09:21.06 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: all my chars (that can be) are a nelf! |
| 09:21.06 | ZorbaTHut | I don't like tauren because tauren warrior tank = walking cliche |
| 09:21.14 | nevcairiel | just my warlock isnt, no choice in the matter |
| 09:21.20 | zenzio | the game's equipment is too full of stats these days for racials to matter much |
| 09:21.23 | ZorbaTHut | so I may go troll, based just on those two things. |
| 09:21.25 | Kalroth | throws the torch away and searches for napalm instead. |
| 09:21.35 | msoul | don't like taurens myself :/ they're way too big and ugly as hell |
| 09:21.44 | ZorbaTHut | I think they're actually awesome-looking |
| 09:21.47 | nevcairiel | taurens are good for bbq'ing |
| 09:21.48 | nevcairiel | mmm steak |
| 09:22.00 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: Wait what. You don't like orc because they get a bonus when using axes - so you pick a class with no bonus at all for more freedom? |
| 09:22.01 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: my bro likes taurens |
| 09:22.02 | ZorbaTHut | and they're getting, what, paladin in cataclysm? I think a tauren retribution paladin would be the most badass thing ever |
| 09:22.11 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, yeah, what's the difficulty in this? |
| 09:22.29 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: It's silly as hell, last I checked orcs could use swords and maces too |
| 09:22.30 | nevcairiel | he doesnt want to feel compelled into using axes just because of the bonus |
| 09:22.32 | nevcairiel | makes sense to me |
| 09:22.36 | zenzio | same |
| 09:22.39 | ZorbaTHut | if you get a bonus on some fraction of weapons, then you're going to naturally gravitate to those weapons |
| 09:22.50 | ZorbaTHut | I know myself well enough to know that I'll minmax equipment |
| 09:22.58 | Kalroth | of course, but you're naturally gravitating towards upgrades generally |
| 09:23.01 | ZorbaTHut | with trolls at least I wouldn't end up with a wasted racial |
| 09:23.11 | ZorbaTHut | right, but your upgrades are going to generally fall into the weapon bonus category |
| 09:23.29 | Kalroth | unless when Blizzard are being assholes and releasing tank swords only! |
| 09:23.29 | ZorbaTHut | if you get an axe - and eventually you'll get an axe - the chance that you find a non-axe upgrade is pretty low compared to the chance that you find another axe upgrade |
| 09:23.47 | ZorbaTHut | you'll be stuck with axes unless, yeah, blizzard just fucks over your entire race and decides that tanking daggers are the new hotness or something |
| 09:24.14 | Kalroth | I know, I play an Orc warrior myself - but it doesn't bother me one second to use eg. an item level 251 sword over an item level 232 axe |
| 09:24.18 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: The new tanking swords *are* daggers. |
| 09:24.22 | DWSR | Dunno what you're talking about |
| 09:24.35 | zenzio | what they look like is irrelevant |
| 09:24.46 | zenzio | my sword could look like a drum if it still was labelled "Sword" |
| 09:24.49 | DWSR | 2.60 speed mace/axe DW is the shiznit. |
| 09:25.37 | msoul | DWSR: what weps you tank with now? |
| 09:25.47 | DWSR | msoul: Frost giant's cleaver and The Grinder. |
| 09:25.51 | nevcairiel | 2.6 would be way too slow for my personal taste |
| 09:25.51 | nevcairiel | but i'm not a DW DK |
| 09:25.58 | DWSR | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Emerald%20Dream/Arelin |
| 09:26.03 | DWSR | It's like |
| 09:26.03 | msoul | nevcairiel: the slower the be4tter for dk tanks |
| 09:26.04 | DWSR | OH HAI |
| 09:26.07 | DWSR | FACESMASH |
| 09:26.10 | DWSR | OH HAI |
| 09:26.14 | DWSR | LUKIT UR SPLEEN |
| 09:26.15 | Kalroth | "this racial might tempt me, so I better pick another race where there's no racial at all" |
| 09:26.17 | nevcairiel | msoul: sure, but it would still feel weird |
| 09:26.31 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: they have other racials that are not lost when you use a sword |
| 09:26.34 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, trolls got racials |
| 09:26.39 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: No they don't. |
| 09:26.41 | Kalroth | in the context of tanking |
| 09:26.43 | ZorbaTHut | and in cataclysm they'll have a different set of racials ;) |
| 09:26.44 | DWSR | lolserking? |
| 09:26.51 | DWSR | lolreally? |
| 09:27.16 | DWSR | I will admit, voodoo shuffle is kinda nice though |
| 09:27.33 | ZorbaTHut | berserking is pretty crummy for warriors. voodoo shuffle is reasonably good though |
| 09:27.46 | ZorbaTHut | I'd have to work out the numbers on what regeneration is like. Probably crummy, but hey. |
| 09:27.59 | DWSR | lolzerking, mkay? |
| 09:28.02 | Kalroth | blood fury vs berserking, hardiness vs voodoo shuffle and axe spec vs .. what? :p |
| 09:28.05 | ZorbaTHut | all that said, yeah, in a way I'd rather throw away an annoying racial in return for no racial and a really distinctive character. |
| 09:28.12 | DWSR | best classes for tanks are alliance and tauren |
| 09:28.23 | DWSR | rofl |
| 09:28.28 | DWSR | s/alliance/human/ |
| 09:28.30 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: only class that goes well with trolls racials is mage/lock |
| 09:28.31 | ZorbaTHut | I don't even know what the fuck you were trying to type there :) |
| 09:28.32 | Kalroth | well distinctive because trolls are the worst, they're almost as bad as the nevcairiels! |
| 09:28.37 | DWSR | I'm pretty sure there was some logic in there, but it got lost. |
| 09:28.39 | zenzio | Blood Fury |
| 09:28.40 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Neither do I. |
| 09:28.46 | ZorbaTHut | I also like how Tauren is apparently now a class ;) |
| 09:28.50 | DWSR | lol |
| 09:28.52 | nevcairiel | DWSR: what makes humans so good? |
| 09:28.53 | msoul | haha |
| 09:28.54 | nevcairiel | their trinket dealy? |
| 09:28.56 | DWSR | 1 regex at a time. |
| 09:28.59 | ZorbaTHut | can I be a night elf tauren, or is that only allowed in cataclysm? :D |
| 09:28.59 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Yes. |
| 09:29.00 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: mace/sword spec |
| 09:29.05 | DWSR | nevcairiel: also, mace/sword spec. |
| 09:29.23 | DWSR | Trinket + mace/sword spec is ungodly. |
| 09:29.39 | DWSR | Being able to break shit with your trinket racial breaks some fights. |
| 09:30.01 | nevcairiel | its 3 freaking expertise points, thats not "godly" :P |
| 09:30.14 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Trinket racial is godly. |
| 09:30.16 | Kalroth | in the grand scheme the racials aren't that important though, but if you are an avid minmaxer then trolls are a poor pick for a horde player, especially if you plan to tank |
| 09:30.21 | DWSR | 3 expertise is icing on the cake. |
| 09:30.23 | nevcairiel | the 2% evasion of nelfs are better, imho |
| 09:30.33 | DWSR | nevcairiel: 2% to miss is *shrug* |
| 09:30.35 | zenzio | I disagree |
| 09:30.43 | DWSR | I just like the fact that I can seduce male RPers with my character. |
| 09:30.44 | DWSR | :) |
| 09:31.03 | nevcairiel | also, shadowmeld is still awesome when soloing, or farming ore/herbs |
| 09:31.04 | zenzio | you can't seduce female RPers? |
| 09:31.04 | Kalroth | do you cyber people in the tram on your nelf nevcairiel ?! |
| 09:31.23 | DWSR | zenzio: There's a lot less female RPers who are willing to have a lesbian relationship. |
| 09:31.33 | DWSR | zenzio: Haven't had the chance to try. |
| 09:31.36 | DWSR | And inb4 the jokes. |
| 09:31.37 | zenzio | DWSR: then why did you specifically say male? |
| 09:31.39 | DWSR | Yeah, I saw that. |
| 09:31.55 | DWSR | zenzio: Because everyone on the internet is a man until I'm given incontravertible proof otherwise. |
| 09:31.56 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, well, the point is that I'm a minmaxer when it comes to gear |
| 09:31.59 | ZorbaTHut | not when it comes to race |
| 09:32.09 | ZorbaTHut | and I want to pick my race to properly channel my gear minmaxing tendencies |
| 09:32.11 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: So you're a selective minmaxer :P |
| 09:32.17 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's pretty accurate |
| 09:32.28 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: It's not like race has a huge impact anyway. |
| 09:32.29 | nevcairiel | i wanted to create a gnome tank just because its so awesome to see that little guy tank a big ass boss |
| 09:32.32 | Kalroth | does it include gems and enhancements too?! |
| 09:32.36 | ZorbaTHut | if I have to stare at it for a month or three, I'll wear something ugly (t7 shoulders ftl) |
| 09:32.44 | Kalroth | wait wait |
| 09:32.45 | ZorbaTHut | if I have to stare at it for two years, fuck that |
| 09:32.55 | ZorbaTHut | hey guess what your shoulders are skulls now |
| 09:32.56 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: getting that with emblems |
| 09:32.57 | ZorbaTHut | GIGANTIC SKULLS |
| 09:32.58 | Wobin | woah |
| 09:33.00 | Kalroth | you're rolling a troll because you DONT want something ugly to look at |
| 09:33.01 | ZorbaTHut | YOUR ARMOR IS COVERED WITH SKULLS |
| 09:33.05 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: think it looks a badass |
| 09:33.06 | Kalroth | :aaaa: |
| 09:33.09 | DWSR | what Kalroth said,. |
| 09:33.10 | olafski | zorbathut: are you talking about warriors? :( |
| 09:33.10 | ZorbaTHut | I think trolls are awesome :D |
| 09:33.10 | Wobin | did that model just get hit in the back with a GIANT PENDULUM? |
| 09:33.12 | krka | why do you call it min-max btw? |
| 09:33.16 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, yeah |
| 09:33.21 | ZorbaTHut | I think I counted it once, I had seven skulls on my armor |
| 09:33.24 | ZorbaTHut | some of them were on fire |
| 09:33.25 | olafski | I like t7 :P |
| 09:33.25 | zenzio | trolls are definitely the most kick-ass looking race |
| 09:33.29 | ZorbaTHut | it was like, goddamn, blizzard |
| 09:33.29 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: T7 and the fun ended with T8 |
| 09:33.31 | DWSR | krka: Minimize your weaknesses, maximize your strengths. |
| 09:33.38 | DWSR | minimize-maximize. |
| 09:33.39 | msoul | T9 looks silly and so is T10 |
| 09:33.39 | olafski | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonblight&n=Skiwarrior padum tsssh :) |
| 09:33.40 | DWSR | minimax. |
| 09:33.41 | DWSR | minmax |
| 09:33.55 | olafski | I like the highest T10 for DKs |
| 09:33.55 | ZorbaTHut | I actually really like t8 through t10 alliance warrior gear |
| 09:33.58 | Kalroth | the troll is by far the ugliest horde race |
| 09:33.58 | olafski | makes them look like blood angels |
| 09:34.01 | ZorbaTHut | (I have no idea what t9 horde looks like offhand) |
| 09:34.02 | DWSR | OHHEY |
| 09:34.06 | DWSR | INFANTRY ASSAULT BLADE |
| 09:34.14 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, see, I think blood elves are the ugliest horde race |
| 09:34.16 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: i would say forsaken, but troll as a close second =p |
| 09:34.20 | krka | so it has nothing to do with the algorithmic "min-max"? |
| 09:34.26 | ZorbaTHut | with forsaken being the second tier |
| 09:34.28 | Kalroth | and troll players are generally worse players, by personal experience |
| 09:34.28 | DWSR | krka: No idea. |
| 09:34.30 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&cn=Rpbb |
| 09:34.32 | ZorbaTHut | krka, no, it's totally unrelated |
| 09:34.32 | Kalroth | krka: no it doesn't |
| 09:34.38 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, except for the part where they're both used to optimize things |
| 09:34.43 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: that's basically T9 on a troll |
| 09:35.01 | DWSR | msoul: That toon name is why I'm glad to be on an RP server. |
| 09:35.03 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: I can tell that you haven't lived with trolls around you, its much more than looks |
| 09:35.03 | olafski | managed to pick one of the ugliest tabards to accompany it :P |
| 09:35.14 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: undead voice acting vs troll voice acting |
| 09:35.17 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: i'm a nelf, remember :P |
| 09:35.21 | Kalroth | undead animations vs troll animations |
| 09:35.24 | ZorbaTHut | msoul, eh, alliance t9 looks better |
| 09:35.28 | DWSR | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Arelin |
| 09:35.38 | Kalroth | undead lacking a boob vs trolls having tusks |
| 09:35.39 | nevcairiel | Kalroth: eh mon, don't be so troll hating, mon! |
| 09:35.45 | Kalroth | @#¤%"! |
| 09:35.47 | ZorbaTHut | that's sorta . . . uninspired |
| 09:35.51 | Kalroth | fucking jamaicans! |
| 09:35.57 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: What is? :P |
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| 09:36.13 | ZorbaTHut | horde warrior t9 |
| 09:36.13 | Kalroth | and my least favorite thing about trolls; their death sound and death animation |
| 09:36.38 | Arrowmaster | <Kalroth> and troll players are generally worse players, by personal experience |
| 09:36.43 | Kalroth | troll death sound always makes me think: "SIGH WHICH RETARD DIDNT MOVE OUT OF FIRE NOW" |
| 09:36.44 | Arrowmaster | Ackis plays a troll, nuf said |
| 09:36.56 | nevcairiel | trolls really dont have the shoulders to be a warrior |
| 09:37.00 | Kalroth | haha |
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| 09:37.15 | nevcairiel | even a nelf looks better in plate gear |
| 09:37.36 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: Well I played all of vanilla with troll shamans and for some reason (our) horde shamans are exceptionally skilled in fucking up |
| 09:37.43 | zenzio | everything looks better in plate gear |
| 09:37.51 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's true, the shoulders are kind of wimpy |
| 09:37.59 | ZorbaTHut | although I must say that female draenai look goddamn hot in warrior gear |
| 09:38.03 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: t7 is much much better than t9-t10 combined |
| 09:38.05 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Which set? |
| 09:38.06 | Kalroth | "oh lol i forgot to use BL and to drop totems and to move out of fire" |
| 09:38.08 | Arrowmaster | my raid leader in vanilla was a troll shaman |
| 09:38.08 | ZorbaTHut | although, in fairness, s/ in warrior gear// |
| 09:38.15 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, pretty much any :P |
| 09:38.16 | nevcairiel | female draenei arent that bad in any gear :P |
| 09:38.19 | ZorbaTHut | msoul, you're nuts, t7 sucked |
| 09:38.19 | Kalroth | orc warriors > * |
| 09:38.28 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah. Draenei females are nom |
| 09:38.44 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: did he die a lot |
| 09:38.46 | nevcairiel | the males make all up for that, anyway |
| 09:38.48 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 09:38.50 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: i like it. the looks ended with t8 i'd say |
| 09:38.58 | ZorbaTHut | I think male draenai look badass also |
| 09:39.07 | ZorbaTHut | almost all my characters are draenai :P they are by far my favorite alliance race |
| 09:39.10 | Arrowmaster | had plenty of troll hunters though that died a lot i think |
| 09:39.14 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah. |
| 09:39.18 | ZorbaTHut | as far as I'm concerned they're the only alliance race that actually looks good |
| 09:39.23 | DWSR | I've been tempted by a race change. |
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| 09:39.28 | nevcairiel | male draenei look weird .. they swinging a 2h blade is just weird |
| 09:39.36 | msoul | DWSR: will do it soon |
| 09:39.43 | Fisker | oh u nevcairiel |
| 09:39.46 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure our MC raids had like 60% troll deaths, 20% undead deaths (???) and the rest on taurens, orcs and random alliance waiting outside the instance. |
| 09:40.19 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: It's the hips, tbh. |
| 09:40.22 | Arrowmaster | ah MC, fun times |
| 09:40.41 | Kalroth | oh and in AQ40 our troll shamans always ran to Ouro instead of C'Thun |
| 09:40.41 | Arrowmaster | hide the surger was my favorite game |
| 09:40.43 | nevcairiel | oh man, orderd something *once* from amazon.com, and now i get their product recommendations as well as the amazon.de ones .. /me looks for opt-out |
| 09:40.55 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Bottom of the e-mail. |
| 09:40.58 | Kalroth | We had a shaman that ran to Ouro *twice* in a row |
| 09:41.22 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: The hips on a female draenei are *significantly* more pronounced than on any of the other female models. |
| 09:41.34 | DWSR | Dem round bottom girl dem |
| 09:42.28 | Kalroth | yes, draenei females are definitely more female |
| 09:42.40 | Kalroth | nelf females are way too skinny |
| 09:43.10 | DWSR | I don't know about that. |
| 09:43.20 | DWSR | They're *supposed* to look that way, after all. |
| 09:43.31 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt say "too skinny", but yeah, draeneis are better |
| 09:43.34 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 09:43.52 | DWSR | I'm hoping for updated player models again for cata. |
| 09:43.52 | DWSR | Also. |
| 09:44.01 | DWSR | I REALLY WANT MY FUCKING DKS EYES TO STOP BLINKING WHEN SHES DEAD |
| 09:44.05 | nevcairiel | Models wont really change anyway, maybe get a polygon boost again |
| 09:44.06 | DWSR | coughs |
| 09:44.14 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Yeah, I'd be alright with that. |
| 09:44.29 | nevcairiel | last time they redid the players was like .. middle of BC`? |
| 09:44.31 | nevcairiel | i forgot |
| 09:44.38 | DWSR | middle of BC. |
| 09:44.48 | DWSR | they boosted the original races to match drae/belf. |
| 09:45.05 | Fisker | hey hey |
| 09:45.29 | nevcairiel | on that note, wtb screenshots of worgen females |
| 09:45.31 | zenzio | when was the "zomg orc shoulders" debacle? Was that when they updated the models? |
| 09:45.40 | DWSR | Don't know. |
| 09:46.34 | Fisker | rule 34 nevcairiel ? |
| 09:46.54 | msoul | zenzio: i had a friend with equipment that made him look exactly like the guards in orgrimmar cannot remember the set name |
| 09:47.02 | msoul | some were drops from zulfarak iirc |
| 09:47.30 | msoul | was fun seeing ppl wondering what elixir he was using |
| 09:47.38 | Arrowmaster | i still have my great father winter outfit |
| 09:47.43 | zenzio | msoul: what I was getting at was that one point orc shoulderpads were displaying in the wrong scale (too small) |
| 09:47.54 | msoul | ah |
| 09:49.06 | olafski | bah no transmute mastery proc today :( |
| 09:49.38 | msoul | how many do you get whe nyou do it btw? 2? |
| 09:49.43 | olafski | 2+ |
| 09:49.49 | olafski | highest I've gotten was 6 |
| 09:49.54 | msoul | nice |
| 09:50.02 | olafski | usually two though :) |
| 09:50.10 | msoul | might do it on my dk for g and gemming my war |
| 09:50.14 | Fisker | zenzio why won't you play pokemon with me? :( |
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| 09:58.47 | DWSR | anyway |
| 09:58.51 | DWSR | A polygon boost would be nice. |
| 09:58.59 | DWSR | Also, cleaning up the facial anims would be nice. |
| 09:59.07 | DWSR | My nelf needs to stop looking like a fucking fish, mkay? |
| 09:59.12 | DWSR | Or a hoover. |
| 09:59.15 | DWSR | And take THAT as you will |
| 10:00.18 | msoul | is it your alt btw |
| 10:00.25 | DWSR | my dk? Yep. |
| 10:00.27 | msoul | you haven't done any raids but icc |
| 10:00.31 | DWSR | wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Xändros <- main |
| 10:00.40 | msoul | yeah seen it |
| 10:00.44 | msoul | oh ok main |
| 10:03.52 | msoul | pretty nice tanking gear you have on the dk |
| 10:04.30 | msoul | when i got back to wow i heard drama happened to our guild and they split to two groups and ddn't even bother look to one |
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| 10:04.47 | `-FISKER_Q | INTERNETS |
| 10:04.58 | msoul | soloing atm and play with few old friends |
| 10:05.26 | msoul | did so far only one raid onyxia as a tank with the war |
| 10:05.44 | msoul | with the dk doing daily raids/voa to buy the premo and sell it in AH |
| 10:06.08 | msoul | 25 premo for a wep is up there if you're not playing with a guild etc |
| 10:07.54 | msoul | bleh i should get going.. |
| 10:07.56 | msoul | & |
| 10:08.10 | DWSR | !addon TagCompiler |
| 10:10.22 | Xyphoid | hm, should wow crash from badly written addons |
| 10:11.17 | Fisker | sues DWSR |
| 10:11.39 | DWSR | yes Xyphoid |
| 10:14.26 | nevcairiel | no, it should not, however, it can |
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| 10:16.19 | Xyphoid | i managed to ctd after reloading my code changes but it only happened once |
| 10:16.23 | olafski | hm, synergy doesn't work in elevated environments it seems |
| 10:16.26 | Xyphoid | so i'm not sure how to diagnose that heh |
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| 10:30.17 | Adys | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/3/19/ http://twitter.com/real_samfisher |
| 10:30.40 | Adys | did tycho post some number above reality, or did the amount of followers actually went down since the PA? |
| 10:30.57 | Adys | s/went/go/ |
| 10:31.24 | olafski | jeez this sound stuff just doesn't want to go my way it seems.. when I turn on headphone detection it mutes the speakers when no headphone is plugged in, and plays sound over the speakers when I do plug in a headphone :P |
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| 10:33.26 | Fisker | The Sam Fisher twitter makes Blizzard's Twitter Q&A's seem sane |
| 10:39.08 | Kalroth | You make Adys seem sane |
| 10:40.46 | Arrowmaster | i find the top 50 domains with ipv6 list hilarious http://bgp.he.net/ipv6-progress-report.cgi |
| 10:42.09 | Fisker | u? |
| 10:42.53 | nevcairiel | i would've expected google to be #1 :P |
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| 10:44.09 | Kalroth | as usual its porn and pirates guilding us into the future! |
| 10:44.52 | Corrodias2 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/3/12/ <- achievements! |
| 10:47.40 | mikma | http://reaktio.net/~pk/video/StarTrekRave.swf |
| 10:48.10 | Fisker | i want my fermi |
| 10:48.21 | DWSR | rofl mikma. |
| 10:48.38 | DWSR | only problem is that the video isn't synced to the audio. |
| 10:49.19 | Kalroth | Fisker: the fermi is going to flop |
| 10:49.41 | Kalroth | 300w for something thats 5% faster than HD58x0 |
| 10:49.56 | Fisker | hey charlie |
| 10:50.41 | Fisker | sure you don't mean 500W btw? |
| 10:51.16 | nevcairiel | everyone knows that the first cards of a new generation wont be perfect, however nvidia designed a new generation of chips which has much potential, not like ATI that just keep putting more of their old chips on the same card |
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| 10:54.48 | Arrowmaster | although nvidia fucked up that design without testing the quality of the manufacturing |
| 10:55.09 | Kalroth | Fisker: 325w is the last number I heard |
| 10:55.17 | Kalroth | the requirement is a 600w PSU though |
| 10:55.19 | nevcairiel | the design is fine, their manufacturer is just broken |
| 10:55.49 | Arrowmaster | ati uses the same chip manufacturer for the 32nm |
| 10:55.50 | nevcairiel | give them half a year and they'll fix their process for a better yield |
| 10:56.06 | Kalroth | 6 months with a broken chip is a long time though |
| 10:56.32 | Arrowmaster | and the manufacturer has had the same exact problems for as long as theyve been making 32nm chips |
| 10:56.34 | nevcairiel | the chip isnt broken, production is just expensive |
| 10:57.04 | Kalroth | it's using 50 watt more than it should, because the quality is too low - thats broken in my book |
| 10:57.11 | Kalroth | (notice I said chip, not design) |
| 10:57.15 | Arrowmaster | ati ran a test using an older design, found out the issues then made a new design to work around the manufacturing issues |
| 10:57.38 | Arrowmaster | nvidia jumped in with a new design that the manufacturing cant handle |
| 10:57.40 | nevcairiel | see thats what ati does, they just recycle their old designs over and over again |
| 10:58.07 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: yes nvidia comes up with a new chip for every card |
| 10:58.10 | nevcairiel | sure, that way the design is perfect for the manufacturing |
| 10:58.14 | nevcairiel | no they don't |
| 10:58.17 | nevcairiel | but now they did |
| 10:58.38 | Kalroth | sure, ati has done that before too - thats why ati are the fastest today |
| 10:58.46 | Arrowmaster | seriously the way nvidia bundled the stuff on the chip they only have 4 sets of shaders they can disable, originally all 4 sets were going to be used but thats just not possible due to the defects |
| 10:59.20 | Corrodias2 | sigh, so much information |
| 10:59.24 | Arrowmaster | if there is a bad shader in two or more sets the entire chip is trash |
| 10:59.38 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: not trash, used in a cheaper model :P |
| 10:59.39 | Corrodias2 | but all we REALLY have to care about is what cards provide better performance per price |
| 10:59.44 | nevcairiel | ati just has very simple shader designs, that way they can just put more and more of them on a chip, and adjust them for new features easily (dx11, for example) |
| 10:59.55 | Corrodias2 | hmm, except i'm wrong, because hardware politics can influence future designs |
| 11:00.16 | Kalroth | the issue with fermi is that nvidia stuffed a ton of CUDA support on it |
| 11:00.26 | Kalroth | so its no longer just a fast GPU |
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| 11:00.39 | Fisker | Kalroth 325 is beyond PCI-Express specs |
| 11:00.41 | Corrodias2 | that cuda stuff is cute, but doesn't do -me- any good :| |
| 11:00.43 | Arrowmaster | http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/17/nvidias-fermigtx480-broken-and-unfixable/ |
| 11:00.47 | Kalroth | Fisker: Yup |
| 11:00.48 | nevcairiel | unless ati comes up with something really great for their next generation, in a year nvidia will be on top again |
| 11:01.00 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: that page is nothing but slander and biased intel |
| 11:01.09 | Kalroth | Fisker: Which is why there's multiple external power plugs |
| 11:01.13 | Corrodias2 | a year of delay is a long time to have no new video hardware on the market |
| 11:01.16 | nevcairiel | you cant really quote semiaccurate :P |
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| 11:02.21 | nevcairiel | nvidia did the first step for a new generation of cards and not just recycle and enhance the old chips, stuff like that never gets you immediate success, but in the long run it will pay off |
| 11:02.56 | Corrodias2 | so are they planning full dx11 support for the next gen? |
| 11:03.03 | Fisker | Kalroth regardless of how many plugs they have they cannot exceed 300W |
| 11:03.04 | nevcairiel | fermi has dx11 support |
| 11:03.12 | Corrodias2 | i don't know what "fermi" is. |
| 11:03.18 | nevcairiel | the next gen |
| 11:03.21 | nevcairiel | being released soonish |
| 11:03.37 | nevcairiel | GTX4xx |
| 11:03.47 | Fisker | paperlaunch in a week |
| 11:04.03 | Corrodias2 | i won't be ugrading for a couple more years yet, but it's good to see somebody's making something. |
| 11:04.08 | Arrowmaster | sorry, i was wrong its 40nm not 32nm |
| 11:04.46 | nevcairiel | even when ati still has better cost-effective cards right now, they will be forced to come up with a new design sooner or later |
| 11:04.59 | Fisker | that will suck nevcairiel |
| 11:05.02 | nevcairiel | and that way we get better stuff on the market |
| 11:05.11 | Fisker | unlike Nvidia, ATi can't afford failure ;3 |
| 11:05.19 | nevcairiel | nvidia wins the GPGPU market any way |
| 11:05.25 | nevcairiel | and fermi is incredibly strong there |
| 11:05.36 | nevcairiel | and its getting more important |
| 11:05.44 | Corrodias2 | it's getting some importance? where? |
| 11:06.03 | nevcairiel | gaming isnt the end of the line :d |
| 11:06.24 | Corrodias2 | maybe, but that doesn't answer the question |
| 11:06.52 | Corrodias2 | i mean, where else does the line go? |
| 11:07.13 | nevcairiel | into dedicated gpgpu tasks, science, rendering, whatever |
| 11:07.25 | nevcairiel | its not as small as people think |
| 11:07.36 | Corrodias2 | that kind of sounds like stuff you wouldn't use a gaming video card for |
| 11:07.39 | nevcairiel | nvidia did talk about the tesla before the conusmer cards |
| 11:07.46 | Corrodias2 | why are they combining functionality on these devices? |
| 11:07.50 | Arrowmaster | geforce cards are gaming |
| 11:07.59 | nevcairiel | Fermi is no gaming chip exclusively |
| 11:08.06 | nevcairiel | they put it on "Tesla" cards |
| 11:08.11 | nevcairiel | which are meant for GPGPU |
| 11:08.12 | Arrowmaster | quatro and tesla cards, which use the same chips, are not for gaming |
| 11:08.20 | Corrodias2 | if you're playing a game, you're going to waste the features that aren't made for games. if you're not playing a game, you're going to waste the dx10 shit. |
| 11:08.26 | nevcairiel | Quadro are for professional rendering |
| 11:08.42 | Fisker | What if you're doing both Corrodias2 ? |
| 11:08.44 | Corrodias2 | but i suppose maybe it's more cost-effective for them just to make one piece of hardware |
| 11:08.46 | Arrowmaster | well to use the tesla cards you need a quadro card i think |
| 11:08.51 | nevcairiel | The fermi chip is somewhat modular, they can put it together for the individual markets |
| 11:09.03 | Fisker | And why should they design a chip for gaming and one for rendering, research, etc? |
| 11:09.18 | nevcairiel | The fermi design is the important part |
| 11:09.21 | nevcairiel | it can be used for all those markets |
| 11:09.41 | Corrodias2 | different hardware requirements, Fisker |
| 11:09.46 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias2: since it costs millions in design and tooling to even get a chip on the fab line yes its more cost effective to do it all with one |
| 11:09.49 | Corrodias2 | at least i'd think so. |
| 11:09.52 | Fisker | not really |
| 11:10.06 | Fisker | All the quadro cards have always been based on their gaming chips |
| 11:10.08 | nevcairiel | GPGPU will be more important in games as well |
| 11:10.10 | Fisker | but they have some extra features |
| 11:10.21 | Fisker | heck even some geforce cards could be softmodded into quadro |
| 11:10.40 | nevcairiel | partical simulation, physics, dynamic fluids, all big FPU tasks |
| 11:10.56 | DWSR | fpu? |
| 11:10.57 | Corrodias2 | all well put. now, that "gpgpu will be more important in games" phrase bugs me a little. sure, you -can- find ways to do all that on the gpu, but will you be doing so at the expense of framerate? |
| 11:11.02 | Corrodias2 | floating point unit |
| 11:11.05 | Arrowmaster | the quadro and tesla are also going to be the higher quality chips, the ones without defective sections disabled |
| 11:11.09 | DWSR | ah k |
| 11:11.23 | nevcairiel | Corrodias2: the GPU can do that shit much faster then the CPU .. *muuuch |
| 11:11.31 | Fisker | indeed Arrowmaster |
| 11:11.40 | nevcairiel | also, most of the cuda cores arent even used when rendering a image |
| 11:12.00 | nevcairiel | its no real strain to add some fpu operations there |
| 11:12.15 | Corrodias2 | which means for a lot of applications, most of the gpu is not being used. |
| 11:12.26 | Corrodias2 | but it's still cheaper just to make one design, so i can dig it. |
| 11:12.32 | Arrowmaster | well the GPU doesnt need to be as accurate as the CPU which is why its been faster, i dont know about the recent stuff since they started with the whole api's for using them though |
| 11:13.00 | zenzio | as accurate? |
| 11:13.00 | DWSR | Oh my god. |
| 11:13.06 | nevcairiel | Fermi can use double-precision arithmetics with ECC checks on the memory, its accurate alright. |
| 11:13.07 | DWSR | Why are these queues taking so LONG?!? |
| 11:13.11 | DWSR | (It's been 45 seconds) |
| 11:13.25 | nevcairiel | previous generations were not as accurate, though. |
| 11:14.14 | Arrowmaster | the first gen cards they were using when somebody first came up with a way to offload processing onto the GPU that wasnt related to graphics werent accurate on their FPU operations and such |
| 11:14.24 | Arrowmaster | just because they didnt need to be |
| 11:16.48 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 11:17.11 | nevcairiel | but fermi is the first chip thats being sold on cards dedicated for GPGPU processing, so they made it accurate |
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| 11:18.35 | Corrodias2 | i wonder if that extra accuracy is optional; could waste time |
| 11:19.08 | Corrodias2 | but i don't know enough about hardware to really have that conversation |
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| 11:22.32 | nevcairiel | Corrodias2: its not even clear if that is on the geforce-fermi cards |
| 11:23.06 | nevcairiel | the chip design can do it, what they put on the invididual cards (geforce, quadro, tesla) is unclear so far |
| 11:23.41 | Corrodias | ah |
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| 11:24.44 | nevcairiel | and since its dedicated hardware, it might just be the same speed anyway, just require more die space |
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| 11:34.05 | Kalroth | Fisker: it'll require a pcie 3.0 motherboard, silly |
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| 11:37.02 | Fisker | naw naw |
| 11:37.26 | Fisker | how much time on wikipedia did you spend for that retort btw? |
| 11:39.33 | Kalroth | 12:00 to 12:30 is lunch time, so 3-4 minutes I think |
| 11:40.10 | nevcairiel | yeah yeah blame it on lunch |
| 11:40.22 | Kalroth | food > replying to fisker |
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| 11:46.35 | Fisker | [12:01:54] <Kalroth> Fisker: Which is why there's multiple external power plugs |
| 11:46.39 | Fisker | shens obviously called |
| 11:47.13 | Kalroth | Your clock is off |
| 11:47.36 | Fisker | it isn't |
| 11:47.38 | Kalroth | oh it isn't |
| 11:47.57 | Kalroth | I wasted precious lunch time on you :(( |
| 11:48.21 | Fisker | that's what i would've said too |
| 11:49.54 | Kalroth | Anyways Fermi is being released soon, we'll see! |
| 11:50.34 | DWSR | Don't fret boyoh. |
| 11:50.37 | DWSR | I'LL BE GENTLE. |
| 11:55.18 | Kalroth | GeForce GTX 480 : 480 SP, 700/1401/1848MHz core/shader/mem, 384-bit, 1536MB, 250W TDP, US$499 |
| 11:55.48 | Kalroth | "There is a 295W TDP part too, but not yet announced" |
| 11:55.53 | Kalroth | hot! |
| 12:04.44 | olafski_ | smoking |
| 12:06.12 | Corrodias | almost 300 watts. jesus. |
| 12:06.45 | Fisker | your mom is almost 300 watts Corrodias |
| 12:06.58 | Corrodias | more like 350 amirite |
| 12:08.01 | Fisker | then she doesn't conform to the pci-express specs |
| 12:08.02 | Fisker | omg |
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| 12:08.34 | Corrodias | surely they're not going to pass 300w through the PCIE port/slot/whatever? |
| 12:08.46 | Kalroth | 75w through the slot |
| 12:08.56 | Kalroth | rest through 6 and 8 pin wires |
| 12:09.29 | Corrodias | my mom takes the 6-pin type |
| 12:09.53 | Kalroth | Fisker got a 75 watt slot |
| 12:09.55 | Fisker | dual 12-pin |
| 12:12.45 | Fisker | k |
| 12:13.21 | Kalroth | o-kay |
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| 12:21.22 | Aelobin | is there a function to retrieve a unit's title? |
| 12:21.38 | zenzio | what kind of title? |
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| 12:22.45 | Aelobin | ah nvm, answered my own question |
| 12:22.50 | Aelobin | UnitPVPName(unit) |
| 12:23.10 | zenzio | /greet Lopeppeppy |
| 12:23.42 | theorbtwo | /nonexistantslashcommand lopeppeppy |
| 12:24.06 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 12:24.13 | Lopeppeppy | I could have so much fun with that... |
| 12:24.37 | zenzio | really? o_O |
| 12:24.53 | theorbtwo | /mslashf lopeppeppy? |
| 12:25.11 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:25.55 | theorbtwo | (Hm, or is that m|f? I haven't looked at that sort of fanfic in a while...) |
| 12:26.09 | zenzio | fanfic? |
| 12:27.36 | theorbtwo | m/f is one of the things that you might put in the description line of fan fiction describing a male-on-female sexual encounter. |
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| 12:27.54 | Lopeppeppy | MILF is a whole other category. |
| 12:28.01 | zenzio | what does that have to do with fan fiction? It applies to any fiction |
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| 12:28.41 | Lopeppeppy | In fanfic circles, it's common courtesy to provide tags to warn the reader what they're in for, as fanfic can get.... crazed. |
| 12:28.43 | DWSR_ | BONOBO motherfucker. Do you know it? |
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| 12:28.53 | DWSR_ | Because you should. |
| 12:29.16 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: so can non-fan fiction |
| 12:29.35 | DWSR_ | Lopeppeppy: So can.....people |
| 12:29.35 | zenzio | unless your definition of "fan fiction" is "fiction by anyone who's not a recognised, famous author" |
| 12:29.58 | DWSR_ | At any rate. |
| 12:30.06 | DWSR_ | Draenei Shaman, yes/no? |
| 12:30.15 | zenzio | Cancel |
| 12:30.21 | DWSR_ | lol |
| 12:30.26 | DWSR_ | Not rolling horde. |
| 12:30.33 | DWSR_ | How's a shaman for leveling? |
| 12:30.36 | Wobin | I'm enjoying my disc priest |
| 12:30.40 | Wobin | but shaman are great for levelling |
| 12:31.25 | DWSR_ | Can you say that with a straight face? :P |
| 12:31.32 | olafski_ | I found the start horribly boring |
| 12:31.45 | olafski | up to about lvl 30 |
| 12:31.48 | DWSR_ | The start is always horribly boring. |
| 12:31.53 | olafski | though you could just go healer and level in LFD :) |
| 12:32.02 | DWSR_ | Yeah, I'm thinking that I might do it, tbh. |
| 12:32.09 | DWSR_ | I'll be my first healer. |
| 12:32.27 | olafski | always good to level as a healer from lvl 1.. good experience |
| 12:33.01 | zenzio | I find alliance starting areas a little dull (until I reach Duskwood); but I enjoy Mulgore/Durotar+Barrens |
| 12:33.57 | DWSR_ | yeah, though i don't know how practical itis "P |
| 12:35.36 | zenzio | does SW:P + PW:S + wand count at leveling as a healer? |
| 12:35.42 | zenzio | *as |
| 12:36.06 | Lopeppeppy | No, not really. *poke* |
| 12:36.12 | DWSR_ | lol |
| 12:36.41 | zenzio | :( |
| 12:36.46 | DWSR_ | yeah, i'm hoping that lfd will make alts easier/faster/less boring to level. |
| 12:37.47 | zenzio | I can understand that many people are more interested in getting a character to high/max level; but I find the fun part of alts to be revisiting all the zones and quests |
| 12:39.20 | DWSR_ | I can go back and do that at max level. |
| 12:39.32 | olafski | I've seen the starting zones plenty of times :P |
| 12:39.35 | zenzio | it's no fun if you can't die in the process |
| 12:39.42 | zenzio | (to me) |
| 12:39.54 | DWSR_ | I think it's not so much the questing as it is the rate at which you kill stuff to be the biggest time sink. |
| 12:40.21 | DWSR_ | and i just don't reallycare to take forever to kill stuff. |
| 12:41.57 | Lopeppeppy | I level my fishing and cooking, time isn't my problem. |
| 12:41.59 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, see, if that were the case, I'd argue that it has never been fun :P |
| 12:42.30 | ZorbaTHut | if you play a tiny bit conservatively you could easily get from 0 to 80 without dying once |
| 12:42.54 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: sane people can |
| 12:42.55 | zenzio | I can't |
| 12:43.06 | ZorbaTHut | you pretty much only die when you pull more guys than you can kill, try to solo a boss quest, leap off a cliff/miss a jump into water, or ride straight through a large group of monsters because "well I'll probably live and they're in the way" |
| 12:43.20 | zenzio | see, that's exactly the sort of things I do when leveling |
| 12:43.38 | zenzio | but I understand that other people don't play or think like me |
| 12:44.09 | ZorbaTHut | fair 'nuff. I guess what you're getting at is that you enjoy the "bite off more than I can chew, see if I can chew it anyway" part? |
| 12:44.26 | ZorbaTHut | which doesn't work at 80 because you could probably kill all of Barrens simultaneously |
| 12:44.43 | zenzio | yeah :-) |
| 12:45.19 | zenzio | mostly when I level an alt, I'm trying a new class/spec, so I die a lot from overestimating my skills... but I do have a knack for pulling unexpected amounts of mobs simultaneously |
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| 12:46.14 | DWSR_ | meh. |
| 12:46.31 | DWSR_ | only takes once por twice to figure it out, imo. |
| 12:46.39 | DWSR_ | s/por/or/ |
| 12:46.48 | zenzio | again, for most people perhaps |
| 12:47.01 | DWSR_ | leveling a healer is probably a lot better with lfd. |
| 12:47.16 | zenzio | that sounds about right |
| 12:48.39 | DWSR_ | well, I guess I level it resto. |
| 12:48.53 | DWSR_ | anyone that can comment on end game resto? |
| 12:49.06 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, pretty dang good |
| 12:49.08 | foxlit | REJUVENATE. |
| 12:49.15 | ZorbaTHut | I don't believe resto druids have been underpowered since 1.0 |
| 12:49.28 | foxlit | Level as feral, though |
| 12:49.55 | ZorbaTHut | if you want to level with LFD, level as feral/resto and you will always get groups instantly |
| 12:50.17 | DWSR_ | foxlit, shaman, not druid. |
| 12:50.19 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: Lich King is a slap-in-the-face |
| 12:50.24 | ZorbaTHut | oh shaman |
| 12:50.25 | ZorbaTHut | pfft |
| 12:50.44 | ZorbaTHut | I have no idea about shamans, but I think they're pretty good also. if you're alliance, you're always in demand |
| 12:50.48 | ZorbaTHut | probably less so for horde |
| 12:51.16 | foxlit | For what its worth, we have more than one resto shaman in our raid roster. |
| 12:51.39 | foxlit | So it's not like they stop existing at 80. |
| 12:51.56 | DWSR_ | yeah, but how's the playstyle? |
| 12:52.15 | ZorbaTHut | chain heal, I believe. |
| 12:52.22 | Adys | !api camera |
| 12:52.22 | ZorbaTHut | and . . . possibly nothing else. |
| 12:52.29 | DWSR_ | lol |
| 12:52.37 | DWSR_ | riptide? hw? |
| 12:52.39 | foxlit | Adys: bazzillion matches. |
| 12:52.41 | DWSR_ | lhw? |
| 12:52.50 | olafski | I'd say at least riptide too |
| 12:52.58 | olafski | and of course frost shooooooock |
| 12:53.00 | ZorbaTHut | nice for tank healing, but shamans are fantastic raid healers, and you may just end up chainhealing your face off ;) |
| 12:53.01 | zenzio | Earth Shield! |
| 12:53.03 | foxlit | Depends on the fight, really. |
| 12:53.07 | Adys | not that many actually foxlit |
| 12:53.14 | foxlit | Kind of jealous of their damage cleanup with CH |
| 12:53.15 | DWSR_ | Adys: Cannot find results for "camera" because you are a loser. |
| 12:53.21 | Fisker | accidentally trolls zenzio |
| 12:53.23 | olafski | my shaman is lvl 69.. great to heal, you just cast riptide and earth shield on the tank and you can go afk |
| 12:53.31 | Adys | CameraOrSelectOrMoveStart was what i was looking for |
| 12:53.53 | DWSR_ | lol olafski |
| 12:54.21 | olafski | actually at 69 I have to make some effort because i get to do northrend dungeons in bc gear |
| 12:54.26 | olafski | should be fine at 70 though |
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| 12:54.46 | DWSR_ | yeah, sounds like how tanking was. |
| 12:55.05 | DWSR_ | OL -> NR gear jump's pretty bad. |
| 12:55.10 | Lopeppeppy | afk a while |
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| 12:55.37 | DWSR_ | Still not as bad as vanilla _> OL though |
| 12:55.47 | zenzio | DWSR_: by that do you mean Outland quest/instance gear? |
| 12:56.17 | Adys | lua> (function(x) end)(1, 2) |
| 12:56.28 | DWSR_ | bots aren't here. |
| 12:56.34 | Adys | fail |
| 12:56.43 | Adys | lemme make it up |
| 12:56.47 | DWSR_ | zenzio: requirements and gear, yeah. |
| 12:56.58 | zenzio | aha |
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| 12:57.04 | Adys | \o/ |
| 12:57.23 | DWSR_ | ADDbawt? :o |
| 12:57.26 | zenzio | don't recall how instances worked in T6... |
| 12:58.14 | DWSR_ | speaking of bawts, where's EDI? |
| 12:58.37 | zenzio | she showed signs of becoming self-aware, so we terminated her |
| 12:59.06 | Adys | One can only pray her death was quick. |
| 12:59.24 | DWSR_ | heh. |
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| 13:09.05 | Fisker | alestane |
| 13:09.18 | alestane | I am not a verb. |
| 13:12.03 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX7ehxyYRQc |
| 13:13.31 | foxlit | Kraps: Groundskeeper Willy? |
| 13:13.31 | zenzio | Hey web gateway users, we don't take kindly to your sort here |
| 13:14.12 | foxlit | [The goblin captain, that is] |
| 13:14.42 | Fisker | zenzio |
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| 13:17.26 | Fisker | Â |
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| 13:25.33 | Kazie | Which font is it that supposedly control the damage font in-game guys? you know World of Warcraft/Font/ |
| 13:25.48 | Kraps | zenzio: "We've since disciplined it" lawl |
| 13:25.55 | Kazie | Isn't it skurri or something? |
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| 13:44.31 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKAm1OmdFfU |
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| 13:44.54 | DWSR_ | hey. |
| 13:45.02 | zenzio | ohai |
| 13:45.16 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/charlie-miller-to-reveal-20-zero-day-security-holes-in-mac-os-x/ <-ooooooooooooh snap |
| 13:45.27 | DWSR_ | Can someone run my armory throguh the latest Rawr and tell me how much defense it says I have? |
| 13:45.34 | DWSR_ | I'm getting 662 lol |
| 13:45.53 | DWSR_ | Us-Emerald Dream, Arelin |
| 13:46.14 | Cide | yess |
| 13:46.20 | Cide | that will shut up some of the idiots Fisker |
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| 13:47.13 | alestane | Mac OS X isn't terribly secure, unfortunately. It is simply a bit safer because there's very little money in trying to exploit it. |
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| 13:47.40 | Cide | for now |
| 13:47.52 | Cide | until people realize it is safer and migrate towards it... bad move |
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| 13:48.26 | DWSR_ | anyone help me out? |
| 13:48.41 | Kaso | DWSR: doesn't armory tell you your defense? |
| 13:49.14 | DWSR_ | I want to confirm a bug in TankDK/Rawr. |
| 13:49.20 | Kaso | oh |
| 13:49.49 | Kraps | armory says 560 |
| 13:50.06 | DWSR_ | mhm |
| 13:50.14 | DWSR_ | wait... |
| 13:50.16 | Kraps | oh you do have 662 RATING |
| 13:50.30 | DWSR_ | Yes. |
| 13:50.35 | DWSR_ | I thought I had a *lot* less than that. |
| 13:50.44 | DWSR_ | Apparently I don't, I just manually totalled all the gear. |
| 13:50.50 | ZorbaTHut | defense rating stacks up surprisingly fast |
| 13:50.54 | DWSR_ | Ah, was the back upgrade. |
| 13:50.55 | DWSR_ | Anyway. |
| 13:50.58 | DWSR_ | I'm out, later all. |
| 13:53.16 | alestane | I'm also not sure, Cide, that these holes mean OS X is noticeably less secure than Windows, just that it isn't necessarily much more secure, either, and certainly not as bulletproof as certain proponents like to claim. |
| 13:53.45 | Cide | according to that guy, anyway, less secure |
| 13:54.07 | Cide | if we're talking windows vista+ anyway, there's no contest w.r.t winxp |
| 13:54.17 | alestane | In this regard, though, Windows' prevalence and the frequency with which it is attacked can be regarded as an advantage, since security vulnerabilities are typically exposed and addressed very quickly. |
| 13:54.24 | Cide | but I'm not knowledgeable enough to say anything of substance tbh |
| 13:54.40 | Kraps | wait, rogues dont raid as assassination spec? |
| 13:55.10 | Cide | alestane: well it seems to me that apple has a more relaxed security patching strategy, at least the articles Fisker linked implies that |
| 13:55.16 | Cide | again, no real mac osx experience so /shrug |
| 13:55.25 | alestane | They certainly do have security updates. |
| 13:55.41 | Cide | well, anything else would be incredibly naive |
| 13:55.51 | alestane | But I do have one issue with their deployment strategy. |
| 13:56.33 | alestane | Their Software Update tool doesn't automatically check for updates or inform the user of their availability unless you're logged into a user account with administrative rights. |
| 13:56.49 | alestane | So you either have to log your admin account in regularly or manually check. |
| 13:57.08 | alestane | That's an issue to me as it means I often get security updates a few weeks after they were actually deployed. |
| 13:57.48 | Matilda_ | Run as a super user account. |
| 13:57.49 | alestane | (Yes, this stems in part from my own carelessness, but a strategy that makes it very easy for users to be careless is not a good strategy.) |
| 13:59.07 | alestane | I would prefer being informed of the existence of the updates, and either logging in an admin account or entering an admin password to actually install them. |
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| 14:02.38 | DWSR_ | ZorbaTHut: I can has 12% hit in my DPS gear? xD |
| 14:11.22 | Fisker | btw Kalroth |
| 14:11.24 | Fisker | http://img.hexus.net/v2/news/nvidia/gtx-480-leaked-slide-2.jpg |
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| 14:18.38 | DWSR_ | ZorbaTHut: What do you think that I should enchant my hands with? |
| 14:18.48 | zenzio | sheer force of will! |
| 14:19.00 | DWSR_ | Rawr's saying I should get +240 armor instead of 10 parry rating + 2% threat. |
| 14:19.07 | ZorbaTHut | there's a threat enchant that's popular, if you're having threat issues. if you're not, I think there's an armor enchant |
| 14:19.26 | DWSR_ | I can't believe that 240 armor is *that* fucking much better. |
| 14:19.41 | ZorbaTHut | well, 240 armor is vastly better than 10 parry rating. |
| 14:19.49 | zenzio | DWSR_: it's good to check with other sources, but don't rely entirely on them or you'll never get familiar with things |
| 14:19.50 | ZorbaTHut | and if you don't need the threat, then the threat is wasted. :P |
| 14:19.52 | zenzio | just try them out |
| 14:20.10 | DWSR_ | With threat @ 2.0, mitigation @ 4.0, and survival @ 1.0, 240 armor is worth almost DOUBLE the armsman? |
| 14:20.10 | DWSR_ | wtf? |
| 14:20.13 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, in fairness, it's really hard to just try out changes like that. it's not like 2% threat is even noticable objectively |
| 14:20.30 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, armor is fuckin' awesome for both mitigation and survival |
| 14:20.33 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: you're right, I was a bit unspecific, so let me rephrase |
| 14:20.50 | DWSR_ | ZorbaTHut: In every other slot, the enchant that I have is far and away the best one. |
| 14:20.54 | zenzio | personally I just choose what I find more interesting, and if I don't see any problems, I don't care if the alternative can be slightly better |
| 14:21.06 | DWSR_ | ZorbaTHut: Except the hands. |
| 14:21.20 | DWSR_ | Well, armor gives me AP thanks to that blood talent Bladed Armor. |
| 14:21.25 | DWSR_ | But hold on. |
| 14:21.35 | DWSR_ | How does armor add to both mitigation *and* survival? |
| 14:22.03 | DWSR_ | I was thinking of mitigation and survival as being analagous to avoidance vs. mitigation, but apparently not? |
| 14:22.19 | ZorbaTHut | I'm kind of guessing at how rawr's model works, bu I'm assuming mitigation is "how much damage you don't take" and survival is "how long you survive in the worst case" |
| 14:22.36 | ZorbaTHut | (in which case you probably want to reverse those weightings, but I have no idea if that's actually the case) |
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| 14:22.59 | DWSR_ | fair enough |
| 14:23.05 | DWSR_ | It's better than what I can think of. |
| 14:23.08 | ZorbaTHut | the worst case means that things like dodge/parry don't take effect, but armor's guaranteed. and what armor *does* is reduce the damage you actually take. |
| 14:23.09 | DWSR_ | btw, Zorba. |
| 14:23.29 | DWSR_ | 2% parry is being modeled as only a little worse than 1% stamina + 13 defense. |
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| 14:23.33 | zenzio | I haven't really cared for super-optimising my setup for a long time. I'm not doing hard-modes with the top elite guilds, so I'm doing good enough and enjoying it the way I like |
| 14:23.44 | DWSR_ | zenzio: This is part of the fun to me. :) |
| 14:23.55 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, is that through mitigation, or survival? |
| 14:23.59 | zenzio | DWSR_: in that case I fully support you |
| 14:24.02 | Kalroth | Fisker: haha |
| 14:24.11 | ZorbaTHut | 'cause my theory is that the latter will be substantially better in survival. |
| 14:24.20 | DWSR_ | You mean the former? |
| 14:24.28 | DWSR_ | That's totalling both stats. |
| 14:24.30 | ZorbaTHut | no, the bonus stamina is gold for survival |
| 14:24.38 | zenzio | one of the things I enjoyed the most about Anarchy Online was figuring out how to twink into better armor sets and equipment (since it's wasn't just "right click and you're done" there) |
| 14:24.38 | DWSR_ | Swordbreaking's all about mitigation |
| 14:24.54 | ZorbaTHut | and if you have mitigation weighted that high compared to survival, you're kind of approaching your stats in a weird way. Again, assuming that's actually how it works. |
| 14:25.06 | DWSR_ | ZorbaTHut: : Those were the defaults. =\ |
| 14:25.12 | DWSR_ | well, I doubled threat's weighting. |
| 14:25.21 | DWSR_ | But Rawr says that I can push 7k TPS on a good day. |
| 14:25.23 | ZorbaTHut | eh, I'll have to check it out at some point |
| 14:25.24 | DWSR_ | So I might turn it back down. |
| 14:25.35 | DWSR_ | Hrm. |
| 14:25.45 | DWSR_ | Mitigation's weighting is in seconds? |
| 14:26.10 | ZorbaTHut | not a clue. experiment and find out ;) |
| 14:26.18 | DWSR_ | Making it bigger makes mitigation worth more. |
| 14:26.22 | DWSR_ | Making it smaller makes it worth less. |
| 14:26.31 | DWSR_ | It's just a multiplier in their calculations. |
| 14:26.39 | zenzio | is there no official documentation for Rawr? |
| 14:27.12 | DWSR_ | zenzio: Since Rawr is broken down into several different modules, the level of documentation is.....varied. |
| 14:27.27 | zenzio | ah, I see. Never used it myself |
| 14:27.36 | DWSR_ | zenzio: The DK tanking model is from a different author than Rawr's core, and so forth. |
| 14:27.47 | DWSR_ | ok, wtf |
| 14:28.01 | DWSR_ | 30 stamina + 15 resilience > 15 defense rating + 20 dodge? |
| 14:28.19 | DWSR_ | 30 stamina + 15 resilience > 100 armor + 16 stamina? |
| 14:28.25 | DWSR_ | What the everloving fuck? |
| 14:28.32 | ZorbaTHut | I don't see a problem with that. Stamina's good. |
| 14:28.50 | DWSR_ | I can see the first one, ish. |
| 14:28.58 | DWSR_ | I would think that 100 armor + 16 stamin would beat the 30 stamina. |
| 14:29.11 | DWSR_ | (since 16 resil does shit once you're def capped). |
| 14:30.12 | ZorbaTHut | bonus armor's itemized at a rate of approximately 0.07 points per armor. stamina is 0.66. 100 armor is worth 7 itemization points, 16 stamina is worth 10.5 itemization points. Stamina's the best stat budget-for-budget, and you have more budget in it |
| 14:30.26 | DWSR_ | hrm, fair enough |
| 14:30.31 | ZorbaTHut | as amazing as armor is, it's still not better than stamina. |
| 14:30.40 | DWSR_ | It's also saying to remove the prismatic in my head and put in 10 def 15 stam. |
| 14:30.44 | DWSR_ | That I can see. |
| 14:31.00 | DWSR_ | I'm using the prismatic to make sure that my meta's active, but I think it'll be alright, actually. |
| 14:32.08 | DWSR_ | ok |
| 14:32.09 | DWSR_ | Now. |
| 14:32.12 | DWSR_ | Here's my problem with Rawr. |
| 14:32.22 | Kraps | omg griefing this guy feels so good |
| 14:32.34 | DWSR_ | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=51869 <-- This is rated as the best weapon I can possibly obtain |
| 14:32.43 | DWSR_ | a 1.5 speed sword. |
| 14:32.52 | DWSR_ | 1.6* |
| 14:32.57 | Kraps | douch tank that doesnt know how to leave group |
| 14:33.22 | ZorbaTHut | Curious. It might be thanks to the very low threat priority - DKs do have kind of a weirdly tiered threat output |
| 14:33.32 | olafski | just left my first dungeon group mid-dungeon :( |
| 14:34.05 | DWSR_ | ZorbaTHut: I imagine it's because Rawr isn't modelling threat based on actual mechanics. |
| 14:34.15 | ZorbaTHut | Possible. |
| 14:34.49 | Kraps | olafski: why? |
| 14:35.16 | olafski | got a phone call about a job interview :P |
| 14:35.34 | olafski | I'm so excited.. soon I'll have an actual income |
| 14:35.38 | olafski | hopefully ;) |
| 14:35.49 | Kraps | \o/ |
| 14:35.49 | zenzio | and if you don't.. then you missed out on loot! |
| 14:35.59 | DWSR_ | :) |
| 14:36.08 | olafski | I'm not done studying yet and I have talks at 3 companies |
| 14:36.14 | olafski | this one seemed really eager to talk to me |
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| 14:36.37 | DWSR_ | I wish WoW-Heroes had a way to say "only DW frost tanks" |
| 14:37.01 | Kraps | this is great, i dont think this guy know how to leave a group |
| 14:37.45 | olafski | we were like 2 pulls away from Herod though :( |
| 14:37.54 | Kraps | and i'm not leaving |
| 14:38.25 | Kraps | aww he kicked me |
| 14:38.48 | zenzio | olafski: Blades of light! |
| 14:39.00 | olafski | yes :] |
| 14:39.06 | olafski | I wanted his shoulders =( |
| 14:39.10 | olafski | shoulder* |
| 14:39.14 | olafski | would've lasted me 3 levels ;) |
| 14:39.18 | zenzio | damnit, I was about to correct you |
| 14:40.27 | zenzio | I remember when I was leveling my first character, a warrior, around patch 1.8.4 |
| 14:40.44 | zenzio | would be running around questing anywhere, and get whispers asking me to come tank something |
| 14:41.07 | zenzio | most of the time I'd never heard of the places, let alone know how to get there \o/ |
| 14:41.12 | olafski | :) |
| 14:41.17 | Adys | jnwhiteh: ping |
| 14:41.51 | zenzio | oh well... weekend! |
| 14:42.37 | jnwhiteh | Adys: pong. |
| 14:45.50 | DWSR_ | ZorbaTHut: The TankDK model seems to be better than the Warlock model for Rawr. |
| 14:46.02 | DWSR_ | I'm taking your claims on faith, though. I know the warlock math a lot better. |
| 14:47.25 | DWSR_ | And I'm definitely ignoring the optimizer telling me to go farm 245 Crusader's Glory. |
| 14:48.39 | Ackis | teabags the channel, especially olafski |
| 14:52.31 | olafski | get over it ackis, I'm not going to use your addon :P |
| 14:52.31 | DWSR_ | ZorbaTHut: Do you know if Sigil of the Bone Gryphon has an ICD (i.e. can you get 100% uptime theoretically)? |
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| 14:53.27 | Ackis | wait ZorbaTHut is here? |
| 14:53.36 | Ackis | olafski: you will use my addon and you will love it |
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| 14:58.03 | Arathros | can the rescearch in alchemy and inscribtion fail? |
| 14:58.18 | DWSR_ | If by fail you mean let you not discover something, then yes. |
| 14:58.30 | olafski | nice, dps pally in this group uses hand of reckoning because it's a dps boost |
| 14:58.37 | Arathros | meaning minor inscribtion rescearch not giving a result |
| 14:58.42 | DWSR_ | olafski: Isn't it also a taunt? |
| 14:58.47 | DWSR_ | Arathros: Don't think so. |
| 14:58.50 | Arathros | its a 100% taunt lol |
| 14:58.56 | alestane | Usually if you don't discover something from research, there is nothing you are currently eligible to discover. |
| 14:59.03 | DWSR_ | ^^ |
| 14:59.12 | olafski | dwsr_: yes, it is :P |
| 14:59.17 | olafski | it does do nice damage |
| 14:59.29 | olafski | but that's no excuse to use it in a dungeon |
| 14:59.38 | Arathros | so i basically learned all? |
| 14:59.57 | DWSR_ | Arathros: all that you can learn, yeah. |
| 15:00.00 | alestane | Two pallies could actually do a fair bit of damage bouncing a mob between them with Hand of Reckoning, but only if they're going to plan for that. |
| 15:00.01 | DWSR_ | Doesn't mean you learned everything. |
| 15:00.26 | alestane | Depending on your currently skill, Arathros, there might be things to learn once you increase your skill. |
| 15:00.26 | olafski | yeah that's true alestane :) |
| 15:00.27 | DWSR_ | alestane: Apply the same principles to 10m Flame Leviathan. |
| 15:00.37 | Kaso | alestane: dont mobs go immune after like five hits? |
| 15:00.40 | Arathros | DWSR so thats all i can learn? |
| 15:00.42 | DWSR_ | Kaso: No. |
| 15:00.53 | DWSR_ | Kaso: Only boss level monsters will have taunt DR. |
| 15:01.01 | Kaso | ah |
| 15:01.05 | DWSR_ | Everything else can have a taunt party. |
| 15:01.16 | DWSR_ | Which is why AotD is so fucking annoying in a heroic. |
| 15:02.32 | Arathros | so i cant rescearch minors anymore.... hmm i dont even have that many |
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| 15:02.55 | alestane | Arathros: It depends on your skill. |
| 15:03.23 | alestane | If your skill is in the right range, there might be glyphs you learn from minor that you're not high enough to learn yet. |
| 15:03.37 | alestane | Once your inscription is high enough, the research will discover them. |
| 15:03.40 | Arathros | 450 inscribtion |
| 15:03.47 | Arathros | maxed |
| 15:03.48 | alestane | In that case, you're done. |
| 15:04.00 | Arathros | aaaw. hmm wonder how many there are. |
| 15:04.06 | DWSR_ | WAT |
| 15:04.10 | alestane | I think there's a list on WoWWiki. |
| 15:04.14 | DWSR_ | You used to be able to get your Dancing Rune Weapon to CAST AOTD? |
| 15:04.30 | Arathros | DWSR yep hehe |
| 15:04.33 | Arathros | was funny shit |
| 15:04.54 | DWSR_ | rofl |
| 15:05.03 | DWSR_ | 1 man wrecking crew. |
| 15:05.05 | DWSR_ | INC ZERG BS |
| 15:05.08 | DWSR_ | "It's ok guys, I got this" |
| 15:05.21 | DWSR_ | double army, wtf. |
| 15:05.29 | Kraps | lol cool |
| 15:05.33 | DWSR_ | How can Blizzard even fucking *think* for a second that that's in any way balanced? |
| 15:05.33 | Arathros | lol didnt do that |
| 15:05.46 | Arathros | DWSR how op was DK's in the beginning? ;P |
| 15:06.09 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i7u3fl-hP8&feature=player_embedded |
| 15:06.22 | DWSR_ | Arathros: Sure. |
| 15:06.37 | DWSR_ | Arathros: The difference is that you're playing with a brand new set of mechanics with DKs. |
| 15:06.40 | DWSR_ | With AotD.... |
| 15:06.56 | DWSR_ | I'm pretty sure that would be blindly obvious that it's powerful, it's on a long cooldown, ffs. |
| 15:06.59 | DWSR_ | It *used* to be 30 minutes. |
| 15:07.14 | DWSR_ | I mean, allowing you to essentially double the effectiveness of a 30 minute cooldown? |
| 15:07.21 | DWSR_ | a 30 minute cooldown? |
| 15:07.43 | alestane | I'm not sure it was a deliberate choice to let it be doubled, it may have slipped through. |
| 15:08.05 | DWSR_ | alestane: It was a huge mistake to make DRW duplicate the caster exactly. |
| 15:08.16 | DWSR_ | strikes maybe. |
| 15:08.19 | alestane | And they discovered that and changed it. |
| 15:08.20 | DWSR_ | auto-attacks fine. |
| 15:08.31 | DWSR_ | alestane: It doesn't even *sound* like a good idea. =\ |
| 15:08.36 | DWSR_ | It just screams "balance nightmare" |
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| 15:09.00 | DWSR_ | Here, we'll let you clone yourself for no penalty for 40 seconds. |
| 15:09.13 | DWSR_ | Could you imagine a destro lock or ele shaman being able to do that? |
| 15:09.17 | DWSR_ | LOLFLAGRATE. |
| 15:09.27 | DWSR_ | LOLVABURST |
| 15:09.53 | alestane | This is what we call "emergence." |
| 15:10.00 | DWSR_ | This is what we call stupidity. |
| 15:10.39 | DWSR_ | Anyway, it's done and fixed now. |
| 15:10.44 | DWSR_ | I just can't believe that was even possible. |
| 15:10.54 | DWSR_ | though, this is the same developer that allowed shit like the reckoning bomb. |
| 15:11.31 | alestane | ãã®ããããè²·ããªãã |
| 15:11.43 | DWSR_ | At least you didn't fail at unicode. |
| 15:12.09 | DWSR_ | "Fights that buy"? |
| 15:12.15 | DWSR_ | Google translate fail. |
| 15:12.45 | alestane | That's machine translation for you. |
| 15:13.08 | DWSR_ | Babelfish gives me "the quarrel, you do not buy" |
| 15:13.51 | alestane | Better. |
| 15:13.58 | harl | oO |
| 15:14.05 | Kraps | wtb a quarrel |
| 15:14.18 | alestane | It's an idiom anyway, it's unlikely that any machine translation is going to do it justice. |
| 15:14.22 | DWSR_ | I'm surprised that Windows & Chrome can handle the copypasta tbh. |
| 15:14.51 | DWSR_ | http://translationparty.com/#6915667 |
| 15:14.53 | DWSR_ | rofl |
| 15:15.21 | Cide | that was a bad translation party imo |
| 15:15.54 | DWSR_ | http://translationparty.com/#6830572 ahahaha |
| 15:15.57 | DWSR_ | And with that, I have class. |
| 15:15.58 | DWSR_ | bbl. |
| 15:16.09 | harl | kk |
| 15:17.08 | Cide | http://translationparty.com/#6915682 |
| 15:17.36 | Cide | classic |
| 15:19.52 | olafski | wobin: awesome :P |
| 15:20.20 | Wobin | olafski, he's pretty good =) |
| 15:22.12 | olafski | it's one person? |
| 15:22.16 | olafski | I thought they looked too similar |
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| 15:26.04 | Kraps | Wobin: that is sick |
| 15:28.35 | Cide | hmm, c++ question |
| 15:29.16 | Cide | if I declare an abstract class, can I somehow declare a constructor signature in the interface without providing an implementation of it? |
| 15:29.44 | Cide | seeing as the class cannot be instantiated, but you can't define constructors as virtual... |
| 15:31.11 | Cide | stackoverflow says you can't, bleh |
| 15:31.27 | Cide | oh, that was C# , hm |
| 15:33.53 | Wobin | do you generally define a constructor signature in the -interface-? |
| 15:35.20 | Cide | if the interface specifies how to instantiate the objects, yes? |
| 15:35.39 | Wobin | I guess. |
| 15:35.49 | Cide | I don't think that's strange, is it? |
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| 15:35.57 | olafski | doesn't make much sense to me to do that.. I'm used to Java though, dunno if C#/C++ is radically different |
| 15:35.58 | Wobin | not really |
| 15:37.01 | olafski | java doesn't allow it, if that helps ;p |
| 15:37.01 | Cide | I guess it can be skipped |
| 15:37.30 | Cide | well it can be circumvented by just defining a static virtual instantiation method but that seems convoluted |
| 15:37.42 | Cide | going to design it without a specific constructor instead I guess |
| 15:37.51 | olafski | why do you want to specify a constructor signature? |
| 15:38.16 | olafski | krka_: bet you have something to say about this ;) |
| 15:39.22 | krka_ | hm? |
| 15:39.34 | harl | http://translationparty.com/#6915778 |
| 15:39.52 | Cide | am I being untraditional? :P |
| 15:39.53 | krka_ | declaring a constructor signature in an abstract class or interface is stupid |
| 15:39.58 | krka_ | doesn't make sense |
| 15:40.14 | Cide | /shrug |
| 15:40.16 | krka_ | different implementations can have completely different dependencies |
| 15:40.22 | krka_ | and generally do |
| 15:40.36 | krka_ | are you describing an interface for a factory? |
| 15:40.43 | Cide | depends on how you require the implementations are instantiated |
| 15:40.56 | krka_ | then the "constructor" is really just a method that creates objects, and that can have specified arguments |
| 15:40.59 | krka_ | that's ok |
| 15:41.00 | Cide | if it's instantiated by a factory for example, yes, it would be convenient |
| 15:41.03 | olafski | placing requirements on how they are instantiated seems like the issue here ;) |
| 15:41.24 | Cide | olafski: not if the code instantiates the instances |
| 15:41.31 | Cide | and not the external code |
| 15:41.35 | krka_ | interface Factory { Car buildCar(int numberOfWheels, boolean automaticGearBox); } |
| 15:41.35 | Cide | imo anyway |
| 15:41.37 | Lopeppeppy | is back from meeting HELL!!!!! |
| 15:41.38 | krka_ | something like that |
| 15:41.43 | Cide | yeah, krka_ |
| 15:41.51 | krka_ | that's good practice |
| 15:41.55 | olafski | hm I'd better read about this factory pattern >_< |
| 15:41.55 | krka_ | i approve |
| 15:41.58 | olafski | opened a tab for later :P |
| 15:42.04 | Cide | but that's essentially equivalent to a constructor signature |
| 15:42.15 | Cide | which can't be done? |
| 15:42.26 | krka_ | they have a shallow similarity |
| 15:42.30 | Cide | I suppose it would just not compile if it didn't conform |
| 15:42.33 | krka_ | but conceptually are two very different things |
| 15:42.38 | Cide | but the interface doesn't explicitly define it |
| 15:42.58 | krka_ | basically constructors are never part of an objects interface at all |
| 15:43.09 | krka_ | it's just static factory methods, built in the language |
| 15:43.51 | Wobin | It's the difference between the blueprint for a car factory, and the cars the factory makes |
| 15:44.57 | Cide | consider this then |
| 15:46.39 | krka_ | i will! |
| 15:46.42 | Cide | GOOD |
| 15:47.26 | Cide | interface Container { ContainerIterator getIterator(); }; interface ContainerIterator { ContainerIterator getIterator(Container container); } |
| 15:47.36 | Cide | does that make sense at all? I'm bad at java terminology |
| 15:48.23 | krka_ | no it doesn't |
| 15:48.28 | Cide | too bad |
| 15:48.43 | foxlit | The second is silly |
| 15:48.49 | foxlit | A container should know how to return its iterator |
| 15:48.54 | krka_ | interface ContainerIterator { Object next(); ... } |
| 15:48.59 | foxlit | An iterator is not obligated to know how to iterate over a container. |
| 15:49.00 | krka_ | something like that anyway |
| 15:49.08 | Cide | krka_: right, I skipped that |
| 15:49.20 | krka_ | yeah what foxlit said |
| 15:49.28 | Cide | why not? |
| 15:49.30 | krka_ | getIterator is weird to have in the iterator |
| 15:49.30 | foxlit | And, basically, those iterators would be private classes anyway |
| 15:49.57 | Cide | Container is an interface, why cannot the iterator oblige to knowing how to iterate over it? |
| 15:50.13 | krka_ | it's just nonsensical |
| 15:50.21 | Cide | I guess there's no need for an interface then |
| 15:50.30 | krka_ | it's like asking why a Car can't know how to manifacture a car |
| 15:50.32 | foxlit | Because iteration is a service provided by the container, basically |
| 15:50.43 | Cide | yeah |
| 15:50.46 | Cide | my example is bad |
| 15:50.50 | foxlit | A container knows how to iterate over its contents. It exposes that functionality to you through an iterator interface |
| 15:51.08 | foxlit | It does not know how to iterate over some other container. |
| 15:51.18 | Wobin | maybe if you made an example closer to your actual implementqtion? |
| 15:51.24 | foxlit | Nor are all iteratable things containers. |
| 15:51.26 | krka_ | also think of who uses the iterator interface |
| 15:51.31 | krka_ | an interface should have one role |
| 15:51.42 | krka_ | in this case the role is to support iterating over the entries |
| 15:51.52 | krka_ | creating an iterator is whole different role |
| 15:52.14 | foxlit | [Plus it seems wrong to ask an object to make you a completely unrelated new object] |
| 15:52.24 | foxlit | [Something that should be done by classes, that] |
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| 15:54.14 | Cide | let me simplify a bit |
| 15:54.59 | Cide | interface Container { ContainerIterator iterator(); ... }; interface ContainerIterator { boolean hasNext(); Object curr(); void next(); } or some version thereof |
| 15:55.39 | Cide | example implementations of ContainerIterator could iterate in natural order, reverse order, sorted order, whatever have you |
| 15:56.03 | krka_ | looks good |
| 15:56.09 | Cide | but the interface doesn't explicitly define how the iterator receives the container |
| 15:56.20 | krka_ | and it doesn't need to |
| 15:56.28 | foxlit | Cide: that's fine. |
| 15:56.49 | Cide | how would you assure compatibility between containers and iterator implementations then? |
| 15:56.57 | foxlit | You don't. |
| 15:57.03 | foxlit | Each container returns their own iterator implementation |
| 15:57.03 | Cide | why not? |
| 15:57.14 | Wobin | either it works or it doesn't =) |
| 15:57.23 | Wobin | it's not up to the interface to determine it |
| 15:57.24 | foxlit | Each iterator is only compatible with its own container, really. |
| 15:57.31 | krka_ | container implementations are responsible for creating useful iterators |
| 15:57.50 | foxlit | And since you cannot create an iterator from outside an iterator() method of the container, you don't even have to worry about someone mismatching an iterator/container pair |
| 15:58.56 | Cide | say the iterator only expects the container interface rather than a specific implementation then |
| 15:58.56 | krka_ | that doesn't make sense at all |
| 15:58.56 | Cide | why not? |
| 15:58.56 | foxlit | Then your container interface is silly. |
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| 15:59.10 | Cide | I don't really see why |
| 15:59.11 | krka_ | specific iterators get constructed by specific containers |
| 15:59.13 | Wobin | You're trying to generalise an iterator |
| 15:59.26 | Wobin | when the iterator is specific to the container |
| 16:00.24 | Cide | yeah, if you're looking at java containers or whatever you have MapIterator, TreeIterator, SetIterator or whatever I'm guessing |
| 16:00.39 | Cide | each implementation defining how to iterate over a specific container implementation |
| 16:00.45 | krka | probably, but it's really irrelevant from a user perspective |
| 16:01.15 | Cide | right, since you can just expect the iterator interface and be done with it |
| 16:01.29 | krka | HashMap.entrySet().iterator() basically says: "Don't you worry about BLANK, let me worry about the iterator type" |
| 16:02.41 | Cide | yeah, but that's iterators from a different perspective |
| 16:03.29 | Cide | if the container interface defines methods to access all items (rather than leaving that to an implementation-specific iterator) like size() and itemAt(i) |
| 16:04.14 | Cide | you could go about defining the iterator concept as defining in what order the items are to be accessed rather than how to physically do it |
| 16:04.28 | Cide | think python's reverse(<iterative>) function |
| 16:04.44 | Cide | reversed*, sorry |
| 16:05.00 | Cide | iterating over a reversed() object yields the items in reverse order |
| 16:05.09 | Cide | the iterative object defines how to access all items |
| 16:05.34 | Cide | the specific iterator implementation reversed() implements access of them in reverse |
| 16:05.45 | krka | reversed only works on lists though? |
| 16:05.47 | krka | not on iterators |
| 16:05.48 | Cide | nope |
| 16:05.54 | krka | how does it handle infinite lists? |
| 16:06.04 | krka | reverse(fibonacci_sequence()) ? |
| 16:06.45 | Cide | that wouldn't work |
| 16:06.57 | krka | why not? |
| 16:07.02 | foxlit | So chances are it makes its own list in the background |
| 16:07.03 | krka | fibonacci_sequence could be an iterator |
| 16:07.07 | Cide | I suppose it uses the internal size and getitem(i) |
| 16:07.15 | krka | iterators dont have a size or getitem8i) |
| 16:07.20 | Cide | containers do |
| 16:07.27 | krka | but you said it used iterators |
| 16:07.29 | foxlit | Hashmaps surely don't. |
| 16:07.44 | foxlit | [Or would those be buckets? Meh!] |
| 16:07.55 | Cide | you can't iterate over a hashmap either |
| 16:08.04 | foxlit | That's some silly hashmaps you have there |
| 16:08.04 | Cide | if you do you iterate over its keys in arbitrary order |
| 16:08.09 | foxlit | getItem(i) is pretty much the definition of a List |
| 16:08.19 | Cide | not really |
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| 16:08.40 | Cide | extend it to a hashmap by retrieving the object associated with key i, for an arbitrary ordering of keys |
| 16:08.43 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:08.59 | foxlit | Ah, but nobody keeps an arbitrary ordering of keys around in a normal hashmap |
| 16:09.12 | Cide | then how do you iterate over it? |
| 16:09.21 | krka | hashmap.entrySet() |
| 16:09.28 | krka | or hasmap.valueSet() |
| 16:09.29 | Cide | the set of keys? |
| 16:09.30 | krka | or keySet() |
| 16:09.35 | Cide | there you go then |
| 16:09.38 | Cide | arbitrary ordering of keys |
| 16:09.38 | krka | no, entry is a pair of key and value |
| 16:09.41 | krka | yes |
| 16:09.45 | Cide | so it does keep them around |
| 16:09.53 | foxlit | It keeps around some buckets. |
| 16:10.09 | foxlit | You'd have to pretty much linear-scan through all of them to iterate over keys. |
| 16:10.30 | Cide | how do you iterate over it if you can't go through all the keys? |
| 16:10.30 | foxlit | [What you're describing is also implemented, but that's a LinkedHashSet] |
| 16:10.49 | Cide | define getitem(i) as the i'th item in the iteration if you wish |
| 16:10.59 | Cide | it's still arbitrary since it's not an ordered set |
| 16:11.20 | foxlit | But basically, java hasmaps do not implement random access. |
| 16:11.36 | Cide | that's possible |
| 16:11.36 | krka | http://pastey.net/134340 <-- drycoded reverse iterator |
| 16:12.03 | foxlit | krka: too much work :) |
| 16:12.39 | krka | i'm lost now, not sure where Cide is going with this |
| 16:13.03 | krka | isn't my class pretty though? |
| 16:13.07 | Cide | very pretty |
| 16:13.08 | krka | nice little delegate example! |
| 16:13.11 | Cide | anyway |
| 16:14.01 | Cide | my example is pretty contrived |
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| 16:14.28 | krka | would help to see a real world usecase instead |
| 16:14.33 | Cide | I don't have one |
| 16:14.41 | Cide | I was designing an interface and the thought came to mind |
| 16:15.10 | Cide | I'm going for the general iterator concept where a concrete container has a concrete iterator |
| 16:15.21 | Cide | but my original question essentially boils down to, if you had a similar use case, how would you define how the iterator receives the container to iterate over? |
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| 16:15.56 | Grum | Cide: is that java? why not simply reverse the list and return the iterator for that? :) |
| 16:16.04 | Cide | what? |
| 16:16.11 | Grum | erm krka sorry! |
| 16:16.24 | Cide | reversing a list isn't trivial for long lists |
| 16:16.40 | Grum | oh wait its java .. |
| 16:16.49 | Elkano | why not simply use a list iterator? |
| 16:16.50 | Cide | and lists implement random access so you can get away with a better solution |
| 16:16.53 | foxlit | It's going to take O(n) anyway |
| 16:16.58 | Cide | yep |
| 16:17.04 | Elkano | you can start thatone at the end and go backwards |
| 16:17.19 | Cide | seems unnecessary to copy it over to another list in reverse (or do it in place) |
| 16:17.34 | Cide | to me it seems natural to define a constructor signature for the iterator interface |
| 16:17.35 | foxlit | LinkedList is what you'd use anyway |
| 16:17.54 | cog|away | lua> 1 |
| 16:17.56 | Cide | but maybe that's the wrong way to go about it still |
| 16:17.57 | Grum | if you can turn an iterator into a linked list .. yeah you could get a reverse iterator for that relatively simple |
| 16:18.10 | cog|away | looks around for lua_bot |
| 16:18.36 | foxlit | Cide: but why do you need to define an interface? |
| 16:18.54 | Cide | :( |
| 16:19.01 | foxlit | If you're responsible for saying new MySuperAwesomeIterator(mySuperAwesomeContainer), you don't need anything from the compiler. |
| 16:19.24 | foxlit | MySuperAwesomeIterator would just implement some Iterator interface, and you'd be done. |
| 16:19.31 | Lunessa | played his first ever game of SCII - and was confused as hell. |
| 16:19.38 | Grum | gimme beta :( |
| 16:19.48 | Cide | foxlit: right, but the interface doesn't specify that the container should be passed in as the constructor |
| 16:19.58 | foxlit | Cide: your iterator implementation will. |
| 16:20.06 | Cide | nothing says it has to |
| 16:20.14 | foxlit | You're free to make an iterator class that doesn't, but that'd be useless. |
| 16:20.31 | Cide | maybe my other awesome iterator class receives the container through .setContainer(container) |
| 16:20.34 | foxlit | Useless in a "dead code" sense, not "messes up at runtime" sense. |
| 16:20.59 | Cide | it works, and it conforms to the interface |
| 16:21.00 | cogwheel | if you want an sc2 beta key, type "~cogwheel++" alone on a line without quotes! I'll make a random selection in 10 minutes (9:30 PDT) |
| 16:21.13 | foxlit | ~karma cogwheel |
| 16:21.13 | purl | cogwheel has karma of 7 |
| 16:21.16 | Cide | but it can't be used in place of other implementations |
| 16:21.24 | Cide | ~cogwheel++ |
| 16:21.27 | Cide | gimme your keyz |
| 16:21.40 | foxlit | Lunessa: aww? :) |
| 16:21.41 | Grum | ~cogwheel++ |
| 16:21.54 | foxlit | What happened, I wonder? |
| 16:21.55 | Cide | (don't give me one, I have one already) |
| 16:22.14 | Grum | i'd love one, you can have my firstborn (unless its a gnome, i promised it to a dragon then :() |
| 16:24.06 | cogwheel | Well, if no one else shows me the lurv by 9:30 it's all yours :) |
| 16:24.22 | cogwheel | (and even then it still could be!) |
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| 16:26.30 | foxlit | wonders if that's a US key |
| 16:26.45 | Grum | i wonder if there is even a difference? |
| 16:26.57 | foxlit | There is |
| 16:27.03 | Grum | cruel |
| 16:27.14 | foxlit | Well, perhaps not in the keys, but the... realms... are separated. |
| 16:27.23 | Grum | probably for latency |
| 16:27.29 | foxlit | Could be the key, could be the battle.net account. |
| 16:29.53 | Grum | i guess cogwheel would know :) |
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| 16:31.01 | Grum | pounces |
| 16:31.17 | cogwheel | Grum: you're EU? |
| 16:31.23 | Grum | yes, should i cry now? :( |
| 16:31.24 | Lunessa | foxlit The game definately needs a tutorial. |
| 16:31.29 | cogwheel | i dunno... |
| 16:31.33 | Grum | me neither :) |
| 16:31.43 | foxlit | Lunessa: yes, I imagine the single player campaign would help there |
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| 16:32.08 | foxlit | You could try a player vs CPU game -- AI is mild enough to let you do pretty much anything |
| 16:32.13 | Lunessa | foxlit I imagine so. 20 minutes into my first "n00b" game I was still trying to figure out the controls. |
| 16:32.38 | foxlit | I suspect they're also somewhat banking on the similarity to SC |
| 16:33.06 | Lunessa | Which I never played. Heresy, I know. |
| 16:34.02 | foxlit | Mm. It's pretty much the standard RTS set of controls, but one has to learn it somewhere, I suppose. |
| 16:35.01 | Lunessa | I never really played RTS games. They became popular about the time my Carpal Tunnel Syndrome was diagnosed and I really couldn't play them much. |
| 16:35.22 | Legorol | ~cogwheel++ |
| 16:35.30 | Lunessa | So, I'm really a "n00b" for the whole experience. |
| 16:35.35 | cogwheel | Legorol: too late :P |
| 16:35.52 | Legorol | ah damn, didn't see the timestamp |
| 16:35.54 | foxlit | Hey, that makes your feedback significantly more useful than most other forum posters :) |
| 16:35.55 | cogwheel | waits for the incoming ~cogwheel-- |
| 16:35.56 | Legorol | ~cogwheel-- |
| 16:35.59 | Legorol | :D |
| 16:36.08 | Lunessa | Getting the map to scroll so I could see what my units were doing or where I wanted to go was ... problematic. |
| 16:36.17 | foxlit | Hm. Purl protects you against mass-reprisals, apparently. |
| 16:36.45 | Lunessa | foxlit Yeah. :) I used to run a giant beta test program so I know - users who have never used your product are invaluable testers. |
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| 16:37.58 | foxlit | It's interesting how much of the control set people tend to take for granted. Put someone who hasn't played FPS games before in front of an FPS, and watch them struggle with the camera and movement for the next two hours. |
| 16:39.03 | Lunessa | It's non-intuitive, and not the same as other games. |
| 16:39.32 | frontendloader | idk I picked up Doom pretty quick |
| 16:39.35 | frontendloader | which was my first fps |
| 16:39.50 | Lunessa | I remember moving to City of Heroes after playing EQ for 5 years. I kept hitting keys by habit/muscle memory that were just "wrong" for CoH. |
| 16:40.48 | frontendloader | I have a really bad habit of using inverted Y axis on my mouse wherever applicable |
| 16:40.54 | frontendloader | in FPS, and in WoW too for looking :/ |
| 16:41.55 | cogwheel | i used to use inverted mouse |
| 16:42.11 | cogwheel | i figure it was a holdover from joystick days |
| 16:42.17 | cogwheel | where "back" means "go up" |
| 16:42.22 | frontendloader | yeah thats what I think it might have been |
| 16:42.34 | frontendloader | I still use it though :( |
| 16:51.32 | haste | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_%28computing%29#Invert_mouse_setting ! |
| 16:54.21 | Lunessa | Is it too early in the day to start drinking? *grin* |
| 16:54.38 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 16:54.45 | Lopeppeppy | Have some for me. |
| 16:56.31 | Grum | Lunessa: sc2 makes you want to drink? :D |
| 16:57.39 | foxlit | I suspect most SC2 games can only be characterized as mean to newcomers. |
| 16:57.52 | foxlit | Wonder what matchmaking will do for Lunessa. |
| 16:58.30 | Lunessa | I'll let you know. |
| 16:58.40 | Lunessa | And grum, I just like to drink and I have a day off. |
| 16:59.03 | Grum | who doesnt! no need to justify that tbh :D |
| 16:59.57 | Lunessa | Well, I /did/ get out of bed just before joining the channel. So it /feels/ early. |
| 17:00.02 | Kazie | Do i need LibSharedMedia-3.0 in order to have my addons pickup textures, fonts and borders from SharedMedia ? |
| 17:00.29 | Kazie | My KgPanels doesn't inherit any backgrounds from SharedMedia that is :o |
| 17:01.08 | Lopeppeppy | oh, someone has the day off? |
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| 17:06.59 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy, Yes! WOO! |
| 17:12.15 | Lopeppeppy | That's excellent, Lunessa. |
| 17:25.17 | Aelobin | anyone know of a way to force the client to update friends list data and fire the "FRIENDLIST_UPDATE" event? |
| 17:28.18 | Kazie | Anyone who knows where i can find a list of Date() modifiers? |
| 17:29.14 | Aelobin | Kazie: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/strftime.html |
| 17:29.44 | Kazie | Thanks :) |
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| 17:47.27 | alestane | Is BRD glitched for the LFD randoms or something? |
| 17:50.08 | ccox | why, you get it ALL THE FREAKING TIME? (ooops, me too) |
| 17:50.40 | alestane | No, who do we have to kill to get the Upper City goodie bag? |
| 17:50.49 | ccox | the king |
| 17:50.54 | alestane | We did. |
| 17:50.55 | ccox | all the way to the end of BRD |
| 17:50.59 | alestane | Nothing |
| 17:51.15 | ccox | well, I got it 4 times this past week |
| 17:51.30 | ccox | (plus 6 groups that couldn't find the boss with both hands and a map..) |
| 17:52.36 | Kraps | ccox: its a confusing place :/ |
| 17:52.38 | ccox | you did the torches, rooms full of dwarves, etc. ? |
| 17:52.43 | alestane | Yep. |
| 17:52.48 | alestane | Killed Thaurissan. |
| 17:52.53 | ccox | hmm, then it should have completed. |
| 17:53.09 | alestane | Well, as far as I can tell, it did, but no-one got goodies. |
| 17:53.28 | ccox | So far the only time I haven't gotten a goodie bag when completing a ramdom LFG was when my bags were full |
| 17:54.09 | ccox | (no, they don't send it in the mail, darnit) |
| 17:54.28 | alestane | I usually DO get it in the mail. |
| 17:54.28 | ccox | well, file a GM request.... |
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| 17:55.19 | ccox | :-( I don't. |
| 17:56.34 | Taroven | Someone ping me? Scrollback isn't long enough to find whatever it was... |
| 17:58.49 | Adys | ping Taroven |
| 18:02.23 | amro | alestane: question is, why didn't you get the hell out of there? |
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| 18:05.27 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/458865201 |
| 18:10.08 | Adys | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2010-03-19-n79.html |
| 18:15.56 | theorbtwo | Wow. http://www.ted.com/talks/jane_mcgonigal_gaming_can_make_a_better_world.html |
| 18:16.14 | theorbtwo | 5.3 million man-hours have been spent playing WoW. |
| 18:16.30 | theorbtwo | 5.3 million years ago... the first primates stood. |
| 18:16.53 | Adys | numbers are great, eh? |
| 18:17.09 | Torhal | All I hear are words. |
| 18:17.25 | adimit | theorbtwo, you mean *billion*, don't you? 5.3 million man-hours sounds a bit little. |
| 18:17.52 | theorbtwo | Er, yes, I probably do. |
| 18:18.08 | amro | man hours excludes bot and kid hours |
| 18:18.23 | alestane | No, million is correct. |
| 18:18.46 | alestane | That means that the average subscriber has spent roughly half a year online since the game came out. |
| 18:18.47 | Kazie | What is it that the command for hiding the chat frame background is? .. i just don't remember it :s |
| 18:18.52 | Kazie | And i can't find it |
| 18:19.14 | theorbtwo | Sorry. 5.93 millon man-years, 5.93 millon years. |
| 18:19.35 | alestane | I rhight-click on the tab, click "Background" and set the opacity to 0. |
| 18:19.39 | adimit | o_O, omg. |
| 18:19.41 | Cide | theorbtwo: wait what? |
| 18:19.42 | theorbtwo | 6:18 into the talk I just gave a link to. |
| 18:19.59 | adimit | that *is* amazing... |
| 18:20.14 | Cide | I don't think the average subscriber right now has played wow for ~170 days |
| 18:20.37 | alestane | Well, that also includes time logged by people who no longer play. |
| 18:20.49 | Cide | hmm, true |
| 18:21.46 | theorbtwo | Yeah, it's noticable later that she plays with her numbers a bit to gain effect, and earlier that she has some slightly off exepectations about WoW... but that doesn't make it not a good talk. |
| 18:22.05 | theorbtwo | Specificly, she says that there are always useful things for you to do. |
| 18:22.24 | theorbtwo | ...whereas I do here lots of complaints that towards endgame, there aren't. |
| 18:22.28 | adimit | Running laps around Dalaran being the most obvious one.. |
| 18:22.44 | Cide | funny |
| 18:22.50 | alestane | She is, I think, skewing her presentation slightly toward a less knowledgeable audience. |
| 18:22.51 | Cide | or to put it in lolcat terms |
| 18:22.59 | Cide | funnay, u failed at it |
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| 18:23.37 | theorbtwo | Depends on what you mean by knowladgable. |
| 18:23.57 | theorbtwo | The presentataion isn't aimed at gamers. |
| 18:24.13 | theorbtwo | On the other hand, it is aimed at social researchers. |
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| 18:26.48 | Shirik | anyone here use thunderbird? |
| 18:26.59 | Shirik | like 500 vulnerabilities released today, be sure to upgrade |
| 18:27.30 | Shirik | 2.0.0.23 and below affected |
| 18:27.47 | Fisker | over 9000? |
| 18:28.14 | Shirik | no |
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| 18:29.57 | Cide | I use |
| 18:30.12 | Cide | thunderbird |
| 18:30.28 | Shirik | honestly everyone should just get thunderbird 3 anyway imo |
| 18:30.31 | Fisker | over 9000? |
| 18:30.33 | Shirik | it's very nice |
| 18:30.42 | Cide | what's the difference? |
| 18:30.48 | Shirik | just layout, really |
| 18:30.58 | Shirik | I'm sure there's a lot more |
| 18:31.08 | Fisker | outlook > thunderbird |
| 18:31.10 | Cide | gonna upgrade and try it out, didn't even know it was released |
| 18:31.22 | Shirik | the change I like the most, really, is that I have a lot of email accounts, but there's one folder for "All emails" now |
| 18:31.29 | Shirik | so I don't have to go sifting through the accounts anymore |
| 18:31.43 | Shirik | the search system is also nice |
| 18:31.44 | Cide | that's awesome |
| 18:31.52 | Cide | that bothered me and I just have 3 accounts |
| 18:32.26 | Kazie | Would i be wrong to assume that SetChatWindowAlpha(1, 0) would render ChatFrame1 BG to 0% opacity? |
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| 18:33.15 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:33.16 | Adys | Shirik |
| 18:33.24 | Adys | Fisker: you're fucking creepy |
| 18:33.33 | Adys | Shirik: you know whats wrong with wikipedia? |
| 18:33.37 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_expression |
| 18:33.38 | Adys | This article does not cite any references or sources. |
| 18:33.54 | Cide | hey |
| 18:34.03 | Cide | the new interface is awesome |
| 18:34.06 | Cide | thanks Shirik |
| 18:35.06 | Shirik | that would be what it says at the top, Adys |
| 18:35.11 | Shirik | np Cide |
| 18:35.46 | Cide | http://www.dogwork.com/superadorable/ |
| 18:37.53 | Fisker | why am i creepy Adys? :( |
| 18:38.06 | Adys | [18:33:16] * Fisker Shirik |
| 18:38.06 | Adys | [18:33:16] <Adys> Shirik |
| 18:39.25 | Fisker | indeed |
| 18:39.50 | Shirik | UTINNI! |
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| 18:48.23 | cralor | I just realized WoWWiki is the 2nd largest Wiki in the world :O |
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| 18:55.34 | Kazie | Anyone who can help me with a command to keep the chatframe transparent even tho you hover and a command to move the Buff frame? |
| 18:55.56 | Kazie | I've been looking around on wowprogramming but i couldn't find anything. |
| 18:56.39 | olafski | you'd think they could set up their own wiki which doesn't load so slow then cralor ;) |
| 18:56.42 | Kraps | cralor: based on what? |
| 18:56.57 | cralor | Kraps: articles |
| 19:00.32 | NeoTron | so like I was playing KOTOR last night and was captured by the sith and all. during my escape I completely missed the cabinet that had all of my gear so I cleared the whole thing and escaped with just 1 light saber, in my undergarments and some random other crappy gear |
| 19:01.30 | NeoTron | fortunately I had a save game before entering the bridge area that I could load and go back and pick up my shit. |
| 19:02.08 | [Ammo] | that reminds me |
| 19:02.18 | [Ammo] | I still need to buy my kid lego star wars for the original xbox |
| 19:08.43 | NeoTron | all things considered, KOTOR is quite fun for such an old game. Just a bit annoying to get it working properly on a widescreen display |
| 19:10.49 | Arrowmaster | why does http://kotaku.com/5497482/the-zombie-apocalypse-survival-flow-chart only have one way to get out without dying? |
| 19:17.15 | olafski | mmm plants vs zombies |
| 19:17.27 | theorbtwo | kotor++ |
| 19:17.51 | Ackis | anyone got a scuba suit and some scissors? http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2008/02/01/SeaCableHi.jpg |
| 19:18.24 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: scissors wont work, youd need an underwater chainsaw |
| 19:18.49 | Arrowmaster | or a boat anchor |
| 19:19.31 | olafski | dynomite! |
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| 19:21.36 | Ackis | DICK LASERZ |
| 19:22.44 | Lopeppeppy | I'm totally going to need someone to post bail for me soon. |
| 19:24.00 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: ? |
| 19:24.17 | theorbtwo | Planning on killing a coworker? |
| 19:24.21 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple are gonna frelling DIE! |
| 19:24.29 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:24.29 | Shirik | why |
| 19:25.20 | Lopeppeppy | There's this cycle here at the school. |
| 19:26.10 | Lopeppeppy | They make edits to their web pages, don't touch them until the next class registration cycle, and in between forget EVERYTHING. And hate to be shown the FAQ pages to answer their teeny minute stupid beginner level questions. |
| 19:26.15 | Lopeppeppy | Yar. |
| 19:26.21 | Kazie | Anyone who can help me make my chatframe transparent? .. i found this SetChatWindowAlpha(index,alpha) but it doesn't work, so i'm probably doing it wrong .. I just want my chatframe to hide it's background, even tho i mouseover. |
| 19:26.27 | Lopeppeppy | Repeat, every semester. |
| 19:28.35 | Cide | how is html hard to remember exactly? |
| 19:28.59 | Lopeppeppy | It's not html, it's a CMS system. So it's remembering how to use a rich text editor, even more simple! |
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| 19:30.52 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: bold? what's that mean again? |
| 19:31.52 | Lopeppeppy | Boot to the head! |
| 19:32.28 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: Ouch. |
| 19:32.40 | theorbtwo | That is, I feel your pain, not I feel your boot to my head. |
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| 19:33.48 | Lopeppeppy | code monkey think maybe goddamn sheeple want write help documentations themselves. code monkey not say this out loud. All docs in powerpoint, not allowed! |
| 19:34.40 | cbreak | ban powerpoint! |
| 19:34.42 | cbreak | it's evil |
| 19:34.58 | Maldivia | sometimes, people really need to rethink when they order their domain names: http://www.ferrethandjobs.com/ |
| 19:35.23 | Arrowmaster | hahaha |
| 19:35.28 | Gnarfoz | <Ackis> anyone got a scuba suit and some scissors? http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2008/02/01/SeaCableHi.jpg <-- is there an even bigger version of that that is actually readable? |
| 19:35.44 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: yes |
| 19:36.23 | Kazie | Anyone who can help me make SetChatWindowAlpha(index,alpha) work? .. i tried SetChatWindowAlpha(1,0) to make CharFrame1 transparent.. but it didn't work. Anyone who can help me? |
| 19:37.02 | Kazie | afaik it's supposed to make change the opacity of the chat window even when you mouseover. |
| 19:37.04 | Maldivia | shouldn't that be (1, 1) then ? |
| 19:37.21 | Arrowmaster | Kazie: not possible with just a single command |
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| 19:37.51 | Kazie | Arrowmaster: sure? i did it with a single command some months ago i just don't remember to command anymore :( |
| 19:38.13 | Kazie | Arrowmaster: I made it run the command in a small addon to make it do everytime i logon. |
| 19:38.14 | Arrowmaster | have you tried locking the chatframe? |
| 19:38.27 | Arrowmaster | or making making the chatframe not clickable |
| 19:38.34 | Maldivia | Kazie: SetChatWindowAlpha is the method to persist the value |
| 19:38.34 | Kazie | Yes, but it still gives me a half-transparent frame when i mouseover |
| 19:38.39 | Maldivia | use FCF_SetWindowAlpha |
| 19:39.49 | Kazie | Maldivia: I'm sort of a noob :) and google doesn't give me any results hehe. |
| 19:40.00 | Kazie | Maldivia: how do i make it target the chat frame? |
| 19:40.28 | Maldivia | FCF_SetWindowAlpha(ChatFrame1, 0.75, true); -- true means save the value |
| 19:40.47 | Kazie | Okay thanks :) i'll try it out. |
| 19:41.24 | Maldivia | Kazie: can always look in FloatingChatFrame.lua file for more inspiration |
| 19:42.10 | Kazie | Maldivia: it still shows when mouseover with FCF_SetWindowAlpha(ChatFrame1, 0.75, true); .. hmm.. FloatingChatFrame.lua? where do i find that one? |
| 19:42.58 | Maldivia | Kazie: download the UI kit to install the interface files |
| 19:43.16 | Maldivia | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 |
| 19:45.20 | Maldivia | running that and clicking install data, will create a "Blizzard Interface Data (enUS)" folder in your wow folder, with all the xml and lua files for the default UI |
| 19:47.16 | Kazie | There's no difference between enGB and enUS right? |
| 19:47.23 | Kazie | exept for the locale |
| 19:47.27 | Maldivia | no |
| 19:48.28 | Maldivia | afaik, there aren't any differences between any of the locales, except the GlobalStrings file, which contains the translated strings |
| 19:49.21 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: if you need xbox live, they have a 12 month + 2 month & avatar item deal going on now til sunday |
| 19:49.33 | Ackis | http://bit.ly/aDp6So |
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| 19:50.49 | Arrowmaster | *Offer only valid for new Xbox LIVE Gold members (current Gold members not applicable). |
| 19:50.56 | Ackis | ugh |
| 19:52.04 | Arrowmaster | its still one bonus month though, but i think amazon had the 12+1 cards or 12 cards for atleast $10 off |
| 19:52.17 | Arrowmaster | but yeah 'End date: 4/23/2010' i do need a new one |
| 19:52.27 | Aelobin | are the classes in RAID_CLASS_COLORS in english or localised? |
| 19:52.49 | Maldivia | english |
| 19:53.06 | Maldivia | the second return from UnitClass |
| 19:53.13 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: End date: 10/09/2011 |
| 19:53.27 | Ackis | I guess Oct 9 is when I got my xbox lol |
| 19:55.27 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 19:55.41 | Arrowmaster | http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Month-Live-Gold-Card/dp/B0029LJIFG |
| 19:55.49 | Fisker | why so spreading stupid? |
| 19:55.56 | Arrowmaster | cant tell if thats really a 12 month card or the standard 12+1 |
| 19:56.54 | Taroven | Aelobin: Also, the table is structured as RAID_CLASS_COLORS["CLASS"] = {r = x, g = y, b = z} |
| 19:57.09 | Taroven | Which I keep forgetting every time I unpack from it... |
| 19:57.32 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: either way, $40 for 12 months is better than $60 for 14 months |
| 19:58.58 | Arrowmaster | 14 months is $50 |
| 19:59.22 | Arrowmaster | although i dont have a credit card linked to my live account and i might have to inorder to get that 14 month one |
| 19:59.30 | Fisker | ACKIS |
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| 19:59.55 | Fisker | hey hey? |
| 20:01.56 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: $49/14 = 3.5, $39.96/12 = 3.33 |
| 20:02.04 | Ackis | 12 Months + 2 FREE Months - $59.99 |
| 20:02.08 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:02.11 | Fisker | i hate you Ackis |
| 20:02.41 | Arrowmaster | 12 Months + 2 FREE Months $49.99 |
| 20:02.46 | Arrowmaster | thats what the page says for me |
| 20:02.53 | Ackis | must be the difference between Canadian/American then |
| 20:02.57 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 20:03.06 | Ackis | someone said Canadians get a 1 month get 1 month free + avatar item |
| 20:03.18 | Arrowmaster | is that in USD for you or canadian? |
| 20:03.25 | Ackis | it's in USD |
| 20:03.37 | Ackis | so that's what? $55 CDN? ;) |
| 20:03.53 | Arrowmaster | maybe its because ive been an XBL member for 8 years |
| 20:04.25 | Ackis | http://bit.ly/9Nixrc cahnce to win LFD2 on the PC if you care |
| 20:05.08 | Arrowmaster | i dont do twitter promotions |
| 20:05.35 | Ackis | you should, you win free shit that way |
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| 20:07.32 | Arrowmaster | maybe if i create yet another twitter account ill never use just for promotions, but i wont compromise my public image by allowing my identity to be used for free advertising |
| 20:08.03 | Ackis | http://360junkies.com/index.php?referrerid=129 <-- sign up with that link if you decide to do so, I don't get a damn thing but they might have a contest down the road |
| 20:09.17 | Ackis | http://twitpic.com/19k3j9 that's a major nelson code give away, no promotion to do |
| 20:09.48 | Fisker | a |
| 20:09.57 | Fisker | Â |
| 20:10.08 | alestane | booby-traps Peppy's CMS system with hungry wolves for the unwary. |
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| 20:11.27 | Ackis | Fisker: http://www.worldoflordcraft.com/ go play that |
| 20:12.56 | Fisker | hey hey Ackis |
| 20:12.57 | Fisker | nono |
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| 20:14.07 | Cide | I crash vs :( |
| 20:14.25 | Cide | I blame Shirik |
| 20:14.33 | Shirik | It's VS 2010 |
| 20:14.37 | Shirik | it's very good at crashing |
| 20:14.38 | Shirik | new feature |
| 20:14.50 | NeoTron | so ME2 DLC with new outfits for those who play dressup |
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| 20:15.13 | NeoTron | or rather, Garrus will finally have an armor that isn't broken... |
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| 20:18.41 | Fisker | yeah yeah Ackis |
| 20:19.09 | Dashkal | NeoTron: This just come out today? |
| 20:19.30 | Arrowmaster | is twitter nolonger limited to 140 characters? some of those replys are longer than 140 |
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| 20:22.00 | NeoTron | Dashkal: not yet, but in a few days |
| 20:22.13 | Dashkal | *nods* Sweet |
| 20:22.21 | NeoTron | same time as the hovercraft dlc |
| 20:22.24 | Dashkal | I just noticed the lightning gun last night. That was pretty |
| 20:24.07 | NeoTron | haven't tested it yet since I finished the game (twice) before it was released |
| 20:24.13 | NeoTron | saving it for the dlc I suppose |
| 20:24.58 | Dashkal | I'm on my second playthrough. My first was with no import (yech). |
| 20:25.09 | Dashkal | Unfortunately I lost my old me1 saves so I had to replay the damn thing |
| 20:25.20 | Dashkal | Not exactly a terrible fate, but the mako missions annoy me |
| 20:25.50 | NeoTron | heh. I jhust downloaded ME1 saves |
| 20:25.55 | NeoTron | since I also somehow lost my old saves |
| 20:26.35 | NeoTron | I played through, from saved paragon game, as paragon and then again as renegade (from scratch but "game completed" bonus) on insane |
| 20:28.13 | Dashkal | I need to play a me1 renegade yet. |
| 20:28.28 | Dashkal | It didn't really interest me in ME1, but in ME2 some of the renegade options look like a lot of fun |
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| 20:28.55 | Dashkal | But then, in me1 renegade was more asshole. in me2, renegade is more badass. |
| 20:29.56 | NeoTron | shepard is kind of an ass in ME2 too |
| 20:30.05 | NeoTron | I overall tend to play "good" if I have the choice |
| 20:30.33 | Dashkal | So do I. It's mostly for the renegade interrupts that I'm interested now. |
| 20:30.58 | Dashkal | Once in awhile I really do wanna just punch that pompus ass in the face. |
| 20:32.54 | NeoTron | I did do some of that in my paragon game :P |
| 20:33.11 | NeoTron | in general I think the "renegate" interrupts just aren't very renegade |
| 20:33.28 | NeoTron | why is it bad to take care of the krogan by blowing up a tank of something flammable vs killing them anyway later? |
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| 20:49.26 | Dashkal | I wanted to know that one myself. |
| 20:49.50 | Dashkal | I probably should have done some of them anyway. It's not like they hurt you (they aren't in opposition to paragon points much of the time). |
| 20:51.14 | NeoTron | not so sure |
| 20:51.34 | NeoTron | I think picking some paragon choices even when there are no renegade ones, and vice versa, will affect things |
| 20:52.07 | Cide | pretty sure paragon points only restrict what paragon actions you can perform, and same deal for renegade points |
| 20:52.18 | Cide | and paragon points don't decrease your renegade points and vice versa |
| 20:52.18 | Fisker | imma fuck you up Ackis |
| 20:56.32 | foxlit | NeoTron: why is it bad to take care of the krogan by blowing up a tank of something flammable vs killing them anyway later? << Killing them later gives them a sporting chance. |
| 20:56.39 | foxlit | Using a cut scene interrupt does not. |
| 21:07.34 | foxlit | <fb:login-button> |
| 21:07.40 | foxlit | Facebook is infecting the internets? |
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| 21:21.31 | Dashkal | I'm going to kill the ass either way. Why does letting him shoot back make me a more upstanding person? O.o. That just sounds like it makes me a stupid person. |
| 21:21.41 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23766991571&sid=1 |
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| 21:32.21 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/23767161586-minimum-system-requirements-cataclysm.html |
| 21:34.13 | olafski | lol |
| 21:34.29 | olafski | what an odd question anyway |
| 21:34.40 | olafski | if you're building a budget PC, just get the best stuff you can fit in your budget :/ |
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| 21:37.22 | kneeki | Is there a better way of doing this? local FERAL_TANK, FERAL_TANK_MAX = (select(5, GetTalentInfo(2, 22))), (select(6, GetTalentInfo(2, 22))) |
| 21:37.24 | kneeki | o.o |
| 21:37.43 | Shadowed | NotaNot really |
| 21:37.49 | Shadowed | s/NotaNot/Not/ |
| 21:38.30 | Shadowed | You could do something that looped through all the talents and stored them by hash so you could do talent name -> points spent, but it's the same basic idea |
| 21:38.55 | kneeki | mmk, just making sure :) |
| 21:45.20 | Shirik | yes there is |
| 21:45.23 | Shirik | gtfo of select |
| 21:45.24 | Shirik | you don't need it |
| 21:45.43 | Shirik | local _, _, _, _, FERAL_TANK, FERAL_TANK_MAX = GetTalentInfo(2, 22) |
| 21:45.58 | Shirik | select is evil when you don't need it, ESPECIALLY in the manner you just used it |
| 21:46.09 | Shirik | not to mention the second select call is 100% worthless |
| 21:46.18 | Kraps | "If you're having Anzu problems, I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but a Reins of the Raven Lord drop ain't one." |
| 21:46.35 | Pneumatus | wouldnt FERAL_TANK, FERAL_TANK_MAX = select(5, GetTalentInfo(2, 22)) do, anyway |
| 21:46.42 | Arrowmaster | local FERAL_TANK, FERAL_TANK_MAX = select(5, GetTalentInfo(2, 22)) |
| 21:46.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah that is all you need |
| 21:46.53 | Shadowed | what |
| 21:46.56 | Shadowed | your way looks ugly |
| 21:47.06 | Shadowed | what Pneumatus said works fine |
| 21:48.12 | Shirik | that's my point Pneumatus |
| 21:48.27 | Shirik | However, the select call is totally unnecessary |
| 21:48.29 | Shadowed | Your point is to not use select, his point is :P |
| 21:48.31 | Shirik | no |
| 21:48.31 | Shadowed | no it's not |
| 21:48.41 | Shadowed | Using select is fine |
| 21:48.43 | Shirik | (17:45:52) (@Shirik) not to mention the second select call is 100% worthless |
| 21:48.45 | Pneumatus | of course, it does require understanding how select works, which OP didnt |
| 21:48.51 | Shadowed | the second select call is worthless |
| 21:48.52 | Shirik | ENGLISH MOTHERFUKA CAN YOU READ IT |
| 21:49.00 | Arrowmaster | using select correctly is fine, unless its in code that is going to be called repeatedly in a short amount of time then not using it like Shirik did will save a little cpu time |
| 21:49.06 | Shadowed | Your point is to use local _, _, _, _, FERAL_TANK, FERAL_TANK_MAX = GetTalentInfo(2, 22) and not use select |
| 21:49.10 | Shadowed | Pneumatus's is to use select |
| 21:49.12 | Shirik | no that was my first point |
| 21:49.15 | Shirik | my second point was (17:45:52) (@Shirik) not to mention the second select call is 100% worthless |
| 21:49.18 | Shadowed | well, I don't care about your other point |
| 21:49.23 | Shirik | well that's what Pneumatus said! |
| 21:49.37 | Shirik | Of course |
| 21:49.38 | Shadowed | I'm talking about using select (eg Pneumatus's) is fine, hence I said "Using select is fine" and "Your way is ugly" |
| 21:49.40 | Shadowed | I WIN AT ENGLISH SHIRIK |
| 21:49.40 | Shadowed | I WIN |
| 21:49.45 | Shirik | the best solution is to use my Lua extension |
| 21:49.48 | Shadowed | ~win Shirik |
| 21:49.49 | purl | Congratulations, Shirik! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 21:49.53 | Shirik | woot |
| 21:50.05 | amro | now you have two lifetimes' worth of spam. |
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| 21:52.48 | Arathros | yo yo ;) |
| 21:53.06 | Arathros | is there a easy way to perm disable blizz player target + party frames? |
| 21:53.42 | olafski | just hide them? |
| 21:53.43 | Arrowmaster | make an addon to do it |
| 21:53.57 | Arathros | well hide them once and next time i call a target its back |
| 21:54.06 | Arathros | so i have to hide on every frameupdate |
| 21:54.26 | Arrowmaster | look at how some of the unitframe addons do it |
| 21:54.57 | Arrowmaster | not sure if something else is needed now but used to be just calling frame:UnregisterAllEvents() and frame:Hide() was enough most of the time |
| 21:57.52 | Arathros | well seems like i have to read some more about stuff i didnt know existed |
| 22:00.28 | olafski | gah why do they have to tempt me with all this plate gear when I can't even wear plate yet :( |
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| 22:05.55 | Arathros | olafski what you playing? |
| 22:07.13 | olafski | a warrior |
| 22:07.16 | Arathros | aaah |
| 22:07.18 | Arathros | ;) |
| 22:07.18 | olafski | level 37 :P |
| 22:07.59 | Arathros | hmm |
| 22:08.07 | Arathros | god i get problems like mad now.. |
| 22:08.08 | olafski | have had some plate items since lvl 33 or so |
| 22:08.14 | Arathros | thinking of making a mod for every module |
| 22:08.20 | Shirik | what the fuck? |
| 22:08.31 | Shirik | Nothing like going to your checking account and seeing it has double the amount you expected to be in there |
| 22:08.53 | Arathros | Shirik then its not WTF.. then its HOLY FUCK WHOOOT NICE ;P |
| 22:09.10 | Shirik | I may be able to get my lens sooner than I thought :3 |
| 22:09.21 | Arathros | hmm Shirik where you from? |
| 22:09.28 | Shirik | that has many different answers |
| 22:09.41 | Arathros | what part of the world are you living in atm ? ;P |
| 22:09.47 | Shirik | daytona beach, FL |
| 22:09.52 | Shirik | but I am not a resident of FL |
| 22:09.53 | Arathros | so the us ;P |
| 22:09.56 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:10.06 | Arathros | well did you happen to notice what a pair of glasses cost over therE |
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| 22:10.21 | Shirik | ... lens for my camera |
| 22:10.22 | Shirik | not glasses |
| 22:10.27 | Arathros | i know. |
| 22:10.31 | Arathros | I'm asking by the side |
| 22:10.34 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:10.37 | Shirik | they cost me $0 |
| 22:10.41 | Arathros | lol |
| 22:10.45 | Shirik | insurance ftw |
| 22:10.57 | Arathros | i just paid a little over 1000$ for mine lol |
| 22:11.18 | Shirik | When I went to the eye doctor, the sales guy saw my insurance and saw "oh holy crap, ok go find whatever you want, and don't come back with some cheap ones" |
| 22:11.31 | Arathros | lol gotta love kapitalism |
| 22:11.35 | Shirik | so I went and found a pair I liked and he was like "oh come on you can do better than that" and found an identical pair but featherweights |
| 22:11.43 | Shirik | cost like $400 just the frames |
| 22:11.56 | Shirik | he wanted me to take full advantage of the insurance :P |
| 22:12.02 | Arathros | hehe |
| 22:12.10 | Shirik | well I think he probably gets commission or something |
| 22:12.11 | Arathros | well he get's paid for it no matter what ;p |
| 22:12.12 | Shirik | but hell |
| 22:12.13 | Shirik | we're both happy |
| 22:14.31 | Arathros | heh |
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| 22:20.06 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 22:20.11 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 22:46.03 | Shadowed | ADYS |
| 22:46.07 | Shadowed | ADYS |
| 22:47.21 | Shadowed | Adys is not beetlejuice apparently |
| 22:47.44 | nevcairiel | dont you have to say it three times? |
| 22:47.48 | Lunessa | ... Throw your voice! Be more fun at parties! |
| 22:47.54 | nevcairiel | or was that bloody marry |
| 22:47.59 | Shadowed | well, the fact that he hasn't shown up yet proves it either wa |
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| 22:57.20 | Iriel | What if several people all say Beetlejuice at the same time in different locations? |
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| 22:57.26 | Iriel | Is there a conflict resolution protocol? |
| 22:57.38 | Shadowed | He overloads and dies |
| 22:57.44 | nevcairiel | He is instanced :d |
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| 22:58.36 | Lunessa | He drops fat purps into your inventory and disbands your guild. |
| 22:59.41 | theorbtwo | Iriel: Whoever is on the right wins if there is a cop nearby. Otherwise, whoever has the biggest car wins. |
| 23:02.07 | Lunessa | *sigh* external USB drive - busted connector. Oh well, 80gb of tunes is now a brick. |
| 23:04.05 | theorbtwo | Lunessa: Open it up, connect it up to normal IDE cable. |
| 23:04.19 | theorbtwo | (Or, possibly normal ide cable with cheap passive converter for small version.) |
| 23:05.21 | Lunessa | The connector is the one on the drive, not its enclosure. I'd need a clean room. |
| 23:05.50 | nevcairiel | how did you manage to break that o.O |
| 23:06.22 | Lunessa | 4 moves is as good as a fire. Apparently someghing REALLY heavy sat on it. |
| 23:06.33 | theorbtwo | Oh. |
| 23:07.11 | Lunessa | Ive been looking for this drive since I moved after hurricane Ike. Found it this morning. |
| 23:07.38 | theorbtwo | Hm. If there's anything left, and you have a good hand, you could solder a cable to what is left of it. |
| 23:08.57 | Lunessa | It might be easier to dig up all my Apollo440 tracks on the internet instead. |
| 23:09.41 | Lunessa | This was my "DJ" drive that I used when I was a club DJ some years back. |
| 23:11.52 | Iriel | Aha, THAT drive |
| 23:12.22 | Lunessa | Yeah, unhappy panda time. |
| 23:14.34 | Lunessa | Also in the same box, ISDN adapter, 2 56Kbps modems, a USB CD burner and an ungodly number of AC power supplies. |
| 23:14.55 | theorbtwo | Lunessa: Wish I had a good suggestion for how to recover it for you. |
| 23:15.05 | Iriel | I have a huge box of AC adapters somewhere, handy once every 2-3 years |
| 23:15.48 | theorbtwo | uses his big box of AC adapters *lots* more often then that. |
| 23:16.06 | Iriel | Heh, I dont lose them very often |
| 23:16.17 | Lunessa | theorbtwo thanks, but it's likely a cause of "more dollars than it will repay" to recover it. :( I bet I can get most of the stuff I had on it from the same places I originally got it. |
| 23:16.41 | theorbtwo | Lunessa: yeah, if you know what was on it, probably. |
| 23:23.28 | Arrowmaster | very nsfw jesus http://images.4chan.org/hr/src/1268928341568.jpg but epic win |
| 23:25.52 | Shirik | just got his 4th blackberry storm |
| 23:25.59 | Shirik | I am very good at getting defective products |
| 23:26.32 | foxlit | You break them while people aren't looking, yeah? |
| 23:26.43 | Shadowed | pebcak |
| 23:28.52 | Shirik | no, really, I know what it is |
| 23:28.57 | Shirik | I figured it out 2 blackberries ago |
| 23:29.15 | Shirik | the storm is possibly the worst engineered embedded system. It has great functionality |
| 23:29.19 | Shirik | but that's where the engineering stopped |
| 23:29.33 | Shirik | It has absolutely zero weatherproofing. You can get one drop of rain on it and short it out |
| 23:30.10 | Shirik | but hey, as long as Verizon is willing to cover it, I'm OK with it |
| 23:30.14 | Shirik | I haven't paid yet |
| 23:34.24 | Iriel | Have you perhaps considered keeping it dry? |
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| 23:34.51 | cbreak | there's a lot of humidity in air |
| 23:35.06 | Shirik | Iriel... |
| 23:35.13 | Shirik | there is no way you can keep something 100% dry |
| 23:35.21 | Shirik | it's a fact of life |
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| 23:38.00 | Iriel | You said 'rain' not 'condensed moisture' |
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| 23:51.51 | Shirik | it was an example! |
| 23:51.59 | Shirik | also |
| 23:52.11 | Shirik | omg Thunder_Child / Iriel I found twice as much money as I expected in my checking account |
| 23:52.26 | Shirik | I can now (barely) afford the 70-200 f/2.8 II IS |
| 23:52.36 | Shirik | but I'm going to wait a short period of time further |
| 23:52.45 | Shirik | I wonder if prices will drop |
| 23:52.50 | Shirik | probably not for a few months |
| 23:53.44 | Iriel | heh, bice. |
| 23:53.47 | Iriel | nice,even |
| 23:53.55 | Iriel | I found a $500 check from my bank that i'd forgotten about |
| 23:54.08 | Kalroth | haha |
| 23:54.35 | Kalroth | Thats enough for some cheap booze and a hooker! |
| 23:54.36 | Lunessa | I'd be happy to find an 'extra' $500 right about now. :) |
| 23:54.38 | Shirik | how to know your site is poorly designed: |
| 23:54.50 | Shirik | After trying to log in like 8 times I finally clicked "forgot my password" even though I know I didn't |
| 23:54.56 | Shirik | typed in my phone number |
| 23:54.58 | Shirik | The number that you entered is a Verizon Wireless number. To manage your Verizon Wireless account, please visit verizonwireless.com. |
| 23:55.05 | Shirik | FIGURE IT OUT |
| 23:55.10 | Lunessa | LOL |
| 23:57.16 | Lunessa | Seriously this PuG raid is a commedy of errors. |
| 23:59.15 | Cide | aren't they all, aren't they all |
| 23:59.15 | Lunessa | Indeed. |
