| 00:00.21 | Taroven | Each bar in EH has its own onupdate = not something I'd want to be throwing more code into |
| 00:00.54 | Taroven | Otherwise there's no other onupdate running, so a fresh one that gets nilled out when not in use works fine. |
| 00:01.30 | foxlit | On the other hand, it could perhaps be a feature to keep the old mouseover unit information visible if you can |
| 00:03.27 | Taroven | Could. |
| 00:03.39 | Taroven | I've already got it set for a fallback unit though. |
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| 00:03.53 | Taroven | ie, if mouseover then show mouseover else show target. |
| 00:04.24 | Taroven | For the intended purpose, it seems solid to me. |
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| 00:18.07 | DWSR | How do you get queued with someone from your ignore list? |
| 00:18.14 | DWSR | I thought that was supposed to not happen |
| 00:19.01 | DWSR | s/from/on/ |
| 00:22.51 | Taroven | ...ugh. And NOW I find out that UNIT_AURA doesn't fire for mouseover. |
| 00:23.52 | frontendloader | Taroven: did eventhorizon ever get a proper options interface? |
| 00:24.35 | frontendloader | or is it still config-file editing |
| 00:24.48 | Taroven | frontendloader: It will never get a proper options interface. |
| 00:25.37 | Taroven | I don't mind at all if someone writes one, but I really don't want to go through that level of pain. |
| 00:25.49 | frontendloader | Is that saying that you wouldn't allow me to create one because then you'd be stuck with maintaining it? |
| 00:26.20 | Taroven | If you want to create one and keep it from being a complete pain to maintain, I'll maintain it. |
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| 00:27.40 | frontendloader | I've had that as a project on my list for quite some time |
| 00:31.14 | Taroven | I've got two big problems with ingame config atm: 1) They rely on savedvariables, which gets users yelling at me when I have to wipe their configs. 2) EH is one of those one-time setup deals. I really don't understand the need for a config platform if it's going to take more work setting it up for alts and such (GOD I HATE PER-CHAR PROFILING) than opening a file and typing a couple numbers will. |
| 00:31.57 | Taroven | Especially with how many bugs an options interface could introduce. |
| 00:33.20 | frontendloader | I follow you there, I've got a pretty good understanding of EH's workings so far, and I want to do it in a manner that doesn't intrude on the code thats already there |
| 00:34.14 | frontendloader | outside of killing off all config code if addonisloaded("EventHorizon_Options") or something along those lines |
| 00:35.32 | frontendloader | I have no idea who would overrite who in what situation |
| 00:35.38 | frontendloader | override* |
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| 00:52.54 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/box/enc.png << qq. |
| 00:53.20 | Thunder_Child | why is that QQ? |
| 00:53.40 | foxlit | Because text encoding fails usually are |
| 00:53.50 | foxlit | Hell to recover from, really |
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| 00:56.12 | Thunder_Child | "I also sang stacys mom to some lady named Stacy who's mom died yesterday." >.< |
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| 00:58.20 | Kraps | teh weather sux0rs |
| 00:59.36 | Lopeppeppy | It's drizzly stupid rainy here. |
| 01:00.22 | Kraps | and windy like fuck |
| 01:00.44 | batrick | some strange ~25 year old man is reading a book to some ~6-7 year old black kid |
| 01:00.46 | Kraps | a tree in our "yard" fell |
| 01:00.53 | batrick | whoops mt |
| 01:05.46 | Thunder_Child | could be worse batrick, could be worse |
| 01:06.04 | batrick | now he's talking about hand cuffs and armrests... |
| 01:06.18 | Thunder_Child | pedo vibe? |
| 01:06.39 | batrick | now he's talking about the book |
| 01:06.41 | batrick | but ya... |
| 01:07.05 | batrick | guess he's in that big brother/big sister program |
| 01:08.18 | batrick | he's explaining every sentence to the kid |
| 01:08.23 | batrick | he's quickly losing interest |
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| 01:13.26 | Shirik | batrick |
| 01:13.27 | Shirik | hai |
| 01:13.31 | DWSR_ | Shirik |
| 01:13.36 | DWSR_ | What the fuck did you do to the ZNC? |
| 01:13.39 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:14.07 | Shirik | ?? |
| 01:14.35 | Shirik | ??? |
| 01:14.36 | Shirik | ?? |
| 01:14.36 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:14.41 | DWSR_ | Did you not notice me go away? |
| 01:14.41 | DWSR_ | :P |
| 01:14.48 | Shirik | I didn't do it |
| 01:15.14 | batrick | Hi shirik |
| 01:15.21 | batrick | you owe me a game of chess shirik |
| 01:15.25 | batrick | nao |
| 01:15.38 | Shirik | dwsr@heresiarchguild ~ $ znc |
| 01:15.38 | Shirik | [ ] Opening Config [/home/dwsr/.znc/configs/znc.conf]... [ ZNC is already run[ !! ]n this config. ] |
| 01:15.51 | Shirik | I think it's your fault |
| 01:16.02 | batrick | are you talking to me? |
| 01:16.06 | Shirik | server didn't restart either 20:13:28 up 61 days, 23:42, 2 users, load average: 0.67, 0.31, 0.21 |
| 01:16.07 | Shirik | no |
| 01:16.39 | batrick | well |
| 01:17.10 | batrick | Shirik: e4 |
| 01:17.13 | batrick | go! |
| 01:17.26 | Shirik | Qxe4 |
| 01:17.35 | batrick | Qe7++ |
| 01:17.49 | Shirik | Qxe7+++ |
| 01:17.53 | Shirik | oshi |
| 01:17.57 | batrick | Kxe7++++ |
| 01:18.05 | Shirik | no |
| 01:18.09 | batrick | no |
| 01:18.12 | Shirik | king can't move in super checkmate |
| 01:18.15 | batrick | lol |
| 01:18.17 | Shirik | even if it would protect himself |
| 01:18.33 | batrick | QZombiexe7+++++ |
| 01:18.39 | Shirik | omg I'm screwed |
| 01:20.03 | airtonix | rule 22 |
| 01:20.34 | batrick | shirik is a coward |
| 01:20.37 | batrick | won't play a game of chess |
| 01:20.41 | batrick | chiiiiicken |
| 01:21.00 | batrick | struts around Shirik with arms flapping wildly. Cluck, cluck, Chicken! |
| 01:21.35 | Adys | !api questis |
| 01:21.36 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'questis'. |
| 01:21.45 | Adys | !api completable |
| 01:21.45 | lua_bot | IsQuestCompletable: Returns whether the player can complete the quest presented by a questgiver (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsQuestCompletable) |
| 01:22.00 | airtonix | !api adys_is_banned |
| 01:22.01 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'adys_is_banned'. |
| 01:22.28 | airtonix | oh wait that was ackis |
| 01:22.42 | airtonix | always hated that recipe list |
| 01:23.12 | airtonix | rule number one: cardio. |
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| 01:27.49 | Lopeppeppy | Rule... 17? Don't be a hero. |
| 01:28.41 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/03/13/what-happened-to-tourguide/#continued |
| 01:29.08 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 01:29.49 | Shirik | I have determined two things |
| 01:29.55 | Shirik | (1) Structure score wins games |
| 01:29.59 | Shirik | (2) Cide sucks at structures |
| 01:30.07 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a3fc231ef94d83f6a6dc948b0bb3b885.png |
| 01:30.17 | batrick | (3) Shirik has determined two things. |
| 01:30.18 | Cide | psh |
| 01:30.24 | batrick | o wait |
| 01:30.25 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi shirik |
| 01:30.28 | Shirik | hihi |
| 01:30.39 | Cide | that link is broken for me |
| 01:30.42 | Cide | nvm |
| 01:30.43 | Shirik | try harder |
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| 01:31.05 | Cide | hurry up nub |
| 01:31.15 | Shirik | trying to |
| 01:31.26 | Thunder_Child | Cide was still better than you |
| 01:31.27 | Shirik | Connecting to Team Foundation Server................ |
| 01:31.30 | Shirik | negative Thunder_Child |
| 01:31.32 | Shirik | despite the score |
| 01:31.34 | Shirik | I won the game imo |
| 01:31.41 | Thunder_Child | well his score is highest |
| 01:31.46 | Thunder_Child | GG he wins |
| 01:33.24 | Cide | agree |
| 01:34.35 | Shirik | groups and positions assigned |
| 01:34.38 | Shirik | creating sharepoint |
| 01:34.47 | Shirik | work item links created |
| 01:35.30 | Shirik | omg |
| 01:35.34 | Shirik | it looks like they actually fixed it |
| 01:35.34 | Shirik | yay |
| 01:35.53 | Cide | whoo |
| 01:35.55 | Cide | slowpoke |
| 01:35.59 | Shirik | don't blame me |
| 01:36.03 | Shirik | blame Microsoft |
| 01:36.21 | Dagmar | Too easy |
| 01:36.36 | PProvost | Shirik:tfs2010? |
| 01:36.38 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:36.46 | PProvost | Which build you playing with? |
| 01:36.51 | Shirik | well |
| 01:36.53 | Shirik | wait |
| 01:37.34 | PProvost | The minimal install version is sweet. The whole thing up and running in appx 15min |
| 01:38.37 | Shirik | oh I installed full, but that wasn't the problem |
| 01:38.46 | Shirik | it was the fact that visual studio 2010 simply wasn't able to create a new project |
| 01:38.48 | Shirik | it kept blowing up |
| 01:38.52 | Shirik | but it appears they fixed that in the RC |
| 01:39.17 | Shirik | ok Cide logging in |
| 01:39.35 | PProvost | Hopefully you're even happier when RTM comes out |
| 01:41.50 | Cide | let me guess |
| 01:41.52 | Cide | PProvost works at ms? |
| 01:42.57 | PProvost | Yup |
| 01:43.05 | PProvost | On VS in fact |
| 01:43.16 | Cide | that's cool |
| 01:43.21 | PProvost | Its a gig |
| 01:43.25 | PProvost | A pretty good one in fact |
| 01:43.28 | PProvost | Not a bad place to work |
| 01:51.07 | Wobin | can you put easter eggs into it. Like type in "Wobin" and you get fireworks! =) |
| 01:51.27 | Lopeppeppy | *gigglesnark* |
| 01:52.10 | Kraps | anyone know where you can see vids of the GDC speakers? |
| 01:52.12 | kd3 | ...how many lines of code is the excel flight sim easter egg? |
| 01:52.44 | PProvost | I don't think easter eggs are allowed any more |
| 01:52.45 | PProvost | :P |
| 01:52.49 | Wobin | =( |
| 01:52.54 | Wobin | MS sucks the fun out of everything =P |
| 01:53.01 | kd3 | of course they're not allowed. that's the piont |
| 01:53.04 | PProvost | The excel one was something like Office 97 wasn't it? |
| 01:53.04 | kd3 | s/piont/point/ |
| 01:53.20 | PProvost | Don't blame MS... blame the friggin lawyers |
| 01:54.31 | kd3 | mutters a 'kill all lawyers' comment before getting back to bioshock |
| 01:54.45 | Guest23035 | logviewer |
| 01:54.45 | PProvost | agrees. Yes. Make it so. |
| 01:54.47 | Guest23035 | whoops |
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| 01:55.17 | DWSR | Shirik |
| 01:55.22 | DWSR | Why is my ZNC getting DCed from Freenode? |
| 02:00.00 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/03/12/rob-pardo-speaks-about-blizzard-game-design/#continued |
| 02:03.00 | Corrodias | i like how it says "if the majority of your player base is using addons to modify the existing UI, that's a clue that something wasn't quite right with the way the UI was originally designed." |
| 02:03.14 | Corrodias | when that distributed effort and customizability are part of why it's a big hit |
| 02:03.27 | Dagmar | Well, he's correct |
| 02:03.38 | Dagmar | Certain classes have to pay attention to and do _entirely_ different things |
| 02:03.40 | Corrodias | yes, but i don't think it -can- be well designed, by that standard |
| 02:03.44 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 02:03.46 | Dagmar | I tend to agree |
| 02:03.56 | Wobin | you'll never satisfy the requirements of every single class |
| 02:04.01 | Wobin | unless you make them identical |
| 02:04.06 | Dagmar | I don't think you could have just *one* UI that would be equally useful to all classes |
| 02:04.13 | Corrodias | i think there would have to be so many options that the complexity would overwhelm. |
| 02:04.29 | Corrodias | not that the number of addons out there doesn't, but at least you can sort of get into it slowly. |
| 02:04.30 | Wobin | although |
| 02:04.36 | Wobin | with the number of addons out there for customisation |
| 02:04.41 | Wobin | it -is- overwhelming |
| 02:04.56 | Wobin | my god Corrodias, get out of my head =P |
| 02:05.10 | Corrodias | lol |
| 02:05.14 | Corrodias | but it's cozy in here |
| 02:05.21 | Wobin | don't poke that! |
| 02:05.23 | Wobin | twitches |
| 02:05.39 | Corrodias | gently caresses instead. |
| 02:06.04 | Wobin | shivers |
| 02:06.31 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear. NSFW! |
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| 02:35.16 | p3lim | are there any good documentation on the new Animation API? |
| 02:38.28 | Wobin | wowprogramming? |
| 02:39.12 | Wobin | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets#animation |
| 02:39.16 | Thunder_Child | he said good documentation |
| 02:39.33 | batrick | oooo |
| 02:40.20 | foxlit | The UI forums sticky |
| 02:40.32 | foxlit | However, the animation system is kind of meh. |
| 02:41.10 | foxlit | My opinion is that they coded it to avoid taint errors in their own bar sliding animations. |
| 02:43.08 | foxlit | [They then added a bunch of animation types they do not use, and published documentation, which is a pretty interesting deviation from the normal development cycle] |
| 02:43.32 | Shadowed | eh? |
| 02:43.42 | Shadowed | The animation system is pretty amazing, although a little wonky to work with |
| 02:43.49 | Shadowed | it's a lot more efficient than using OnUpdate |
| 02:44.16 | foxlit | Shadowed: if what you want to animate fits within their original design, sure. |
| 02:44.39 | Shadowed | Well yes, it's pretty useless if you are doing something it doesn't do :P |
| 02:44.43 | foxlit | Its behavior around nested frames is just atrocious |
| 02:45.29 | p3lim | I want to use the animation system to size the chatframe on enter/leave, much like what the addon Chicchai does |
| 02:45.36 | foxlit | And you get to have fun if you have multiple textures in a single frame that you want to rotate around a common point |
| 02:45.59 | Lopeppeppy | is boooooored. |
| 02:46.10 | Shadowed | don't you have a cat? |
| 02:46.13 | Shadowed | cats always want attention |
| 02:46.32 | Thunder_Child | petting a cat does not make you unbored |
| 02:46.47 | Shadowed | But the cat is no longer bored, so at least somebody isn't bored! |
| 02:47.13 | foxlit | p3lim: I could throw you some code, but I'm not really convinced it'll work. |
| 02:47.14 | Lopeppeppy | The cats are both asleep. They were insane a little while ago, now it's time to sleep. |
| 02:47.44 | p3lim | foxlit: anything is good tbh |
| 02:47.55 | p3lim | havent looked much at the animation system myself |
| 02:48.21 | Cairenn | grabs a big fluffy pillow and thwacks Lopeppeppy |
| 02:48.42 | foxlit | p3lim: http://pastey.net/134150 |
| 02:48.59 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy: get Plants Vs Zombies |
| 02:49.10 | Wobin | sushicat? |
| 02:49.10 | Thunder_Child | ^^ good game |
| 02:49.21 | Thunder_Child | ^^ not as good |
| 02:49.28 | foxlit | Looks like you need to replace "Rotation" with "Scale" |
| 02:49.30 | Wobin | well |
| 02:49.34 | Wobin | sure, but it's free |
| 02:49.37 | Wobin | which PvsZ isn't |
| 02:49.49 | p3lim | Ah yes, I've tried this before :p |
| 02:49.52 | p3lim | I remember the API |
| 02:49.55 | foxlit | And use :SetScale(x,y) to scale it |
| 02:50.02 | p3lim | SetHeight* |
| 02:50.30 | p3lim | but yeah, thanks |
| 02:50.30 | Lopeppeppy | Shadowed, you're right, I did just get a new game today, I'ms uch a dooooofus! |
| 02:50.38 | Lopeppeppy | engages Cairenn in a rousing pillowfight! |
| 02:50.42 | Shadowed | You're right, I am always right! |
| 02:50.47 | foxlit | Actually, SetScale. |
| 02:50.57 | foxlit | Unless you're doing something interesting. |
| 02:51.14 | Cairenn | squees and thwacks Lopeppeppy again |
| 02:51.37 | p3lim | foxlit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3bK26P9wec |
| 02:51.41 | Lopeppeppy | biffs Cairenn with an overstuffed couch pillow. |
| 02:51.53 | foxlit | Oh. |
| 02:51.55 | foxlit | You're so screwed. |
| 02:52.02 | Thunder_Child | biff has sexual slang use iirc |
| 02:52.09 | p3lim | how come |
| 02:52.10 | Thunder_Child | along with boff |
| 02:52.27 | foxlit | Animations are basically affine transforms performed by the rendering engine while drawing your UI |
| 02:52.42 | Cairenn | dodges Lopeppeppy and smacks her across the back with her pillow, making her flop forward |
| 02:52.45 | foxlit | They won't adjust the height of the chat frame; they'll adjust the height of the area it'll render to |
| 02:52.51 | Lopeppeppy | I knew about boff, and yif, but not biff. |
| 02:53.10 | Lopeppeppy | whips her pillow around toward Cairenn's ankles. |
| 02:53.16 | p3lim | So I'll just create a parent for the chatframe and anchor the chatframe to it |
| 02:53.18 | p3lim | no big deal |
| 02:53.18 | foxlit | So you'll get a weirdly scaled chatframe rather than a smaller chat frame. Just use OnUpdate. |
| 02:53.37 | foxlit | Animations do not affect the UI box model. |
| 02:53.57 | Cairenn | giggles as she lands on her butt, swiping at Lopeppeppy's pillow |
| 02:54.21 | foxlit | You really should try, as I may well be wrong, but it is my opinion that OnUpdate will work better than any animation system contraption here. |
| 02:54.49 | p3lim | What about I get it to work with OnUpdate first, then venture into the animation system |
| 02:55.32 | p3lim | do I need a frame to have mouse enabled (:EnableMouse(true)) for OnEnter/OnLeave to work? |
| 02:56.05 | Lopeppeppy | squees, pillowfights are fun! |
| 02:56.25 | foxlit | Probably, yes. |
| 02:56.36 | Cairenn | giggles some more |
| 02:56.38 | Dagmar | Sheesh |
| 02:56.42 | p3lim | I'll test quickly |
| 02:56.46 | Dagmar | Freaking nigerians on Bioware forums now |
| 02:57.40 | Lopeppeppy | P.S. They let us do that all alone. Were they taking video, I wonder? |
| 02:57.56 | DWSR | p3lim: Yes. |
| 02:58.26 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: It's all logged. :) |
| 02:58.45 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: I know, I was surprised too ;) |
| 02:59.21 | Cairenn | but since I was doing it for your benefit, not theirs, I wasn't worrying about it :) |
| 02:59.37 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 03:00.28 | DWSR | throws Cairenn a body pillow |
| 03:00.47 | Lopeppeppy | Throw us a freakin' body instead! |
| 03:00.56 | Cairenn | ^^^ |
| 03:00.57 | DWSR | throws himself at Lopepeppy |
| 03:00.58 | DWSR | Catch! |
| 03:01.17 | Lopeppeppy | holds up her gimpy hand, but makes sure DWSR lands on the pillows. |
| 03:01.35 | DWSR | laughs |
| 03:02.21 | Lopeppeppy | I love the uncut Starship Troopers. |
| 03:03.06 | Wobin | O.O |
| 03:03.30 | Cairenn | cut or uncut, I love 'em all |
| 03:03.41 | Wobin | >.< |
| 03:03.47 | Cairenn | giggles |
| 03:03.52 | Lopeppeppy | *gigglesnark* |
| 03:03.53 | Shadowed | what video camera |
| 03:03.54 | Shadowed | there was none |
| 03:05.03 | Lopeppeppy | Your loss. |
| 03:05.17 | Shadowed | (that you know of) |
| 03:06.48 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Our loss indeed. |
| 03:07.49 | Dagmar | Eep login server |
| 03:09.50 | Shadowed | you have to pay royalties if they know you recorded them anywa |
| 03:11.52 | sylvanaar | this patch isnt going to be a toc bump is it? |
| 03:12.25 | Shadowed | shouldn't |
| 03:12.38 | sylvanaar | thats good |
| 03:14.58 | Kraps | cool, the level 74 mage in AN says "i've done this (anub) 1000 times" and proceeds to eat the first pound |
| 03:15.23 | foxlit | How does a mage eat a pound anyway? |
| 03:15.36 | Shadowed | best part of anub is killing people with it |
| 03:15.43 | Kraps | by getting one-shot, thats how |
| 03:16.35 | foxlit | But you wouldn't want to stand there anyway, following the basic rules of sanity. |
| 03:17.36 | Kraps | he was probably used to tanks turning anub around, like i do, but this tank didnt |
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| 03:24.37 | batrick | is there literature somewhere on how the authenticators work? |
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| 03:25.13 | Dagmar | What kind of lit? |
| 03:25.18 | Wobin | magic smoke |
| 03:25.26 | Dagmar | There's several people (including myself) hanging around here who know how they work |
| 03:25.45 | batrick | well i'd rather read something on the internet then ask someone to take the time to explain it to me |
| 03:26.08 | Dagmar | I'd say Google around for the documenation on SecureID that RSA sells then |
| 03:26.10 | Wobin | no no wait |
| 03:26.19 | Dagmar | It's not terribly complex |
| 03:26.24 | Wobin | you're trying to stop someone from telling you How It Actually Is, on the Internet? |
| 03:26.34 | Wobin | talk about e-cock blocking =( |
| 03:26.39 | Ginji | rofl |
| 03:26.50 | Dagmar | Wobin: Yeah I'm fine with referring to search terms, although I think this is probably a first |
| 03:26.52 | Ginji | it's time to reboot windows, explorer is chain crashing on me |
| 03:26.56 | Dagmar | "No, I don't want a detailed techinical explanation" |
| 03:27.18 | Dagmar | Generally it's more like "DAMN you people are supposed to teach me how to tie my shooz!" |
| 03:27.42 | batrick | i'm trying to understand why they don't just keep the public/private key in hardware and use that for authentication just like ssh |
| 03:28.09 | batrick | possibly password protected for extra layer of security, all the hw does the unwrapping |
| 03:28.19 | Dagmar | What, like a USB dongle instead? |
| 03:28.25 | batrick | seems more bulletproof then what they propose for secureid |
| 03:28.35 | batrick | isn't that what an authenticator is? |
| 03:28.44 | Dagmar | Not quite although it's very, very similar |
| 03:28.53 | Dagmar | I get the feeling perhaps you hit documentation I'm unaware of |
| 03:29.00 | batrick | i just don't see the point in changing the pwd every 60 seconds, seems silly to me |
| 03:29.10 | Dagmar | Hah it doesn't actually |
| 03:29.15 | Dagmar | You know what epoch time is, right? |
| 03:29.22 | batrick | uh, yes |
| 03:29.24 | Dagmar | The number of seconds since Jan 1st, 1970... |
| 03:29.27 | Ginji | It's running outQ! |
| 03:29.37 | Wobin | batrick, also, purely hardware solutions don't help with the mobile authenticator |
| 03:29.37 | batrick | i'm just reading what they say on http://www.rsa.com/node.aspx?id=1156 |
| 03:29.44 | Ginji | At least on signed 32-bit :) |
| 03:29.44 | Dagmar | What do you get if you take that number and subtract modulus 60 from it? |
| 03:29.52 | Wobin | Pie? |
| 03:29.53 | Dagmar | You get a number that changes every sixty seconds. |
| 03:30.01 | batrick | so what? |
| 03:30.19 | Dagmar | You take that number, munge it with a secret key, and you have a hard token system |
| 03:30.19 | Wobin | Isn't it -cool-? |
| 03:31.02 | batrick | seems rediculous to me, you could just give blizzard the public key of the auhtenticator |
| 03:31.12 | batrick | and have a password wrapped private key on the authenticator |
| 03:31.12 | Dagmar | For trivial things, just a password appended to epoch time and hashed, and then converting the hash to a number (any way you like really) and you've got the same thing happening |
| 03:31.35 | Dagmar | You need the time component to thwart _replay_ attacks |
| 03:31.56 | batrick | so then you are saying ssh is vulnerable to replay attacks? |
| 03:32.21 | Dagmar | It's not, but it's also not feasible to ask the user to type in a 1,024 digit code |
| 03:32.24 | batrick | all i'm saying is to do exactly what ssh does, except implement it all in hardware so the private key is essentially unrecoverable |
| 03:32.37 | batrick | they don't have to |
| 03:32.45 | batrick | just have a driver and hardware |
| 03:32.48 | batrick | dead fuckin' simple |
| 03:32.51 | Dagmar | Unerstand that a hard token is part of "two-part" authentication |
| 03:33.06 | Dagmar | There's (mostly) three parts in common use: |
| 03:33.11 | Dagmar | 1. Something you know. (password) |
| 03:33.18 | Dagmar | 2. Something you have. (a key, for instance) |
| 03:33.29 | Dagmar | 3. Something you are. (A biometric, like a fingerprint or hand-geometry) |
| 03:33.40 | Dagmar | Any one of these is much weaker than _two_ of them together. |
| 03:34.00 | batrick | ya, what I said = the first 2 in your list |
| 03:34.02 | DWSR | I am the SPELLWEAVER |
| 03:34.06 | batrick | and there is no headache for the user |
| 03:34.07 | DWSR | Oh wait. |
| 03:34.19 | Ginji | I am the KINGSLAYER! |
| 03:34.24 | DWSR | lolno |
| 03:34.30 | Dagmar | If you implement this all in hardware, and put it on the user's machine, you create a target for malware people. |
| 03:34.40 | batrick | uh no |
| 03:34.42 | DWSR | mhm |
| 03:34.43 | Dagmar | Oh yes. |
| 03:34.43 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 03:34.48 | DWSR | Absolutely yes. |
| 03:34.55 | batrick | explain |
| 03:35.08 | Dagmar | Mariposa has many thousands of machines for example, all communicating to the same network |
| 03:35.19 | Ginji | It's attached to your computer, therefore it's vulnerable |
| 03:35.23 | DWSR | batrick: As soon as you implement anything in hardware that's attached to the computer, the ^^ |
| 03:35.30 | DWSR | Yeah, what Ginji said. |
| 03:35.32 | Dagmar | Someone evil gets a stub installed on your machine, and then all they have to do is access your machine to query your local, directly connected authenticator |
| 03:35.51 | Dagmar | This is why it's "something you have" and not "something your computer has" |
| 03:36.13 | DWSR | Right, when you attach the token to your computer, you are now putting trust in the computer's protection and authentication mechanisms. |
| 03:36.24 | DWSR | That's why a totally seperated token is *much* more secure. |
| 03:36.24 | Dagmar | ~DWSR++ |
| 03:36.41 | Ginji | And ofcourse, the computer is in the o so capable luser |
| 03:36.51 | Dagmar | It's part of why there's an iPhone app (and RSA has a whole ton of PDA apps) but nothing you just install in the PC as software |
| 03:36.53 | DWSR | Even if your computer is compromised and the attackers get your PASSWORD, they do not have access to your token, and still only have 1 part of the 2 part scheme. |
| 03:36.54 | Ginji | s/in the/in the hands of the/ |
| 03:37.24 | Ginji | Hate wow for not supporting my phone!@ |
| 03:37.29 | DWSR | meh. |
| 03:37.33 | DWSR | I just bought an authenticator. |
| 03:37.40 | Ginji | One more thing to lose |
| 03:37.42 | Dagmar | Yay for chibi corehounds |
| 03:37.50 | Dagmar | Ginji: That's actually not a big problem |
| 03:37.55 | DWSR | Ginji: It's attached to my keys, which are bungied to my backpack. |
| 03:37.59 | DWSR | It's *highly* unlikely. |
| 03:38.03 | Dagmar | I recently mislaid my authenticator. A 10 minute call to Blizzard support fixed it |
| 03:38.09 | DWSR | yeap. |
| 03:38.17 | Ginji | I know it's not a problem |
| 03:38.24 | Ginji | It's just an inconvenience |
| 03:38.39 | Dagmar | My work badge, the authenticator, and an 8Gb thumb drive are all on one lanyard I wear most of the time |
| 03:38.54 | Ginji | lanyard? |
| 03:38.54 | Dagmar | When I come home at night, I just hang the thing on a hook on the side of my desk |
| 03:39.06 | Dagmar | ginji: Fancy word for "loop of silk cord" |
| 03:39.11 | Ginji | ahhh |
| 03:39.35 | Dagmar | Thumb drives used to come with them until the price crunches started making those companies look for ways to cut corners on manuf. costs. |
| 03:40.43 | Dagmar | I've not looked into it (via testing) but I suspect the goldfarmers are using iPhone authenticators running on an emu to screw with accoutns |
| 03:42.00 | Ginji | I should get an authenticator, but I'm too stubborn |
| 03:42.17 | Dagmar | I figure the guess is correct enough to not need bothering with setting up an emu to test the theory |
| 03:43.41 | batrick | I was thinking that the authenticator would have Blzizard's public key as well. In which case the authenticator is the only method by which to authenticate. --> The authenticator would only work if the request comes from blizzard |
| 03:43.48 | batrick | Dagmar: DWSR ^ |
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| 03:44.11 | DWSR | batrick: Yes, that's a great idea, in theory. |
| 03:44.13 | batrick | Further it would require a password from the user to run |
| 03:44.20 | DWSR | batrick: See Ubisoft's DRM for why that doesn't work. |
| 03:44.26 | Ginji | lol |
| 03:44.27 | Ginji | drm |
| 03:44.46 | DWSR | the LOLZOMGNOONECANCRACKDIZ DRM. |
| 03:44.50 | DWSR | Yeah, not even 24 hours. |
| 03:44.58 | DWSR | Blizzard's smart not to try, it would immediately be broken. |
| 03:45.00 | Ginji | The only way they will ever have real drm is if they stream the images to my monitor |
| 03:45.19 | batrick | I don't know about that event but I'm not precluding the idea that someone could get the private key for the authenticator if they are determined. |
| 03:45.25 | Ginji | So basically, remote desktop gaming :P |
| 03:45.47 | Corrodias | i'd say "don't laugh, some company is trying to develop that" |
| 03:45.51 | DWSR | batrick: Which is a really fucking stupid idea if you're building something for *security*, amirite? |
| 03:45.53 | Corrodias | but you can laugh, because the tech is a fucking joke |
| 03:46.14 | Ginji | The tech is easy, but the amount of hardware needed isn't feasible |
| 03:46.18 | batrick | uh, if someone steals your authenticator they still need the password to get the private key |
| 03:46.21 | batrick | and |
| 03:46.31 | batrick | if they can keylog you AND steal your authenticator long enoguh to get it |
| 03:46.33 | Corrodias | and the bandwidth requirements and the latency make it impossible. |
| 03:46.34 | Wobin | they'd have my phone then =( |
| 03:46.36 | batrick | then you have bigger problems |
| 03:46.39 | Wobin | the bastards |
| 03:46.58 | Ginji | Imagine the input lag! xD |
| 03:47.03 | Corrodias | no kidding |
| 03:47.11 | batrick | so I'm pretty sure it works just fine |
| 03:47.23 | DWSR | Dagmar: Pity the fool. |
| 03:47.24 | batrick | which brings me back to why does this secureid have to be so complicated |
| 03:47.27 | DWSR | For he is not prepared. |
| 03:47.37 | Ginji | batrick, patent it and start trolling! |
| 03:48.24 | Dagmar | batrick: That's kind of where crypto becomes more complex than it looks. Ther'es no way to do that |
| 03:48.42 | batrick | no way to do what? |
| 03:48.52 | batrick | everything I've described is totally doable... |
| 03:48.55 | Dagmar | No way to simultaneously authenticate both ends of the transaction. |
| 03:49.06 | Ginji | How about we use entangled particles? |
| 03:49.09 | Dagmar | THis is why we've got certificate authorities for SSL |
| 03:49.23 | Dagmar | GInji: Because the only last a few femtoseconds |
| 03:49.32 | Ginji | Ah |
| 03:49.36 | Ginji | That could be a problem |
| 03:49.40 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 03:49.55 | Dagmar | batrick: It's actually _not_ that complicated, which is what makes it great |
| 03:50.22 | Dagmar | WHat I described earlier about hashing a password and epoch time would yeild you a similar system, but it would probably trod on a patent that is IMHO well-earned |
| 03:50.33 | Dagmar | Otherwise I'd have shipped out a library for doing it back in 2001 |
| 03:50.51 | Dagmar | As it stands now, it's just part of my port knocker |
| 03:50.53 | Ginji | I despise software patents |
| 03:51.14 | Ginji | well, only the length in which they are valid |
| 03:55.17 | Dagmar | You and me both, but the RSA stuff isnt' exactly a software patent alone, and it's still pretty new |
| 03:55.47 | Dagmar | Maybe in another ten years when my laptop can brute force a unix hash in a week or so, I'll go ahead and rewrite the time-based key lib |
| 03:56.12 | Dagmar | I somewhat suspect by that point the RSA people will probably be licencing that stuff for a nickle tho |
| 03:56.17 | Dagmar | er nickel |
| 03:56.51 | Ginji | Meh, in 10 years the entire internet is regulated |
| 03:56.59 | Dagmar | Not if I can help it |
| 03:57.06 | Ginji | You can't help it |
| 03:57.09 | Dagmar | The lack of regulation isnt' the problem as I see it |
| 03:57.28 | batrick | you mean !USA will be regulated |
| 03:57.36 | Dagmar | The lack of restraint people have because of the anonymity, and the underlying mindset that makes them believe they're anonymous by default... now THAT's a problem |
| 03:57.43 | batrick | but who cares about that set anyway |
| 03:57.45 | Ginji | If it were up to the government privacy would be gone |
| 03:57.53 | Ginji | and therefore the need for security |
| 03:58.14 | Dagmar | If people were more interested in the idea that they can chaneg things for the better, they'd be much less likely to simply start thinking from a standpoint of utter anonymity and worry a bit more about making a name for themselves |
| 03:58.20 | batrick | anti-privacy != regulation |
| 03:58.41 | Dagmar | Right now it just seems like everyone's got it into their heads (except for the 4chan people) that whatever they do doesn't _really_ affect anything |
| 03:59.22 | Ginji | One pebble alone isn't going to do much |
| 03:59.40 | Dagmar | One pebble can actually do a +lot+, in the right place |
| 03:59.49 | Dagmar | Start an avalanche, for instance. |
| 04:00.25 | Dagmar | All those little tiny snowflakes, yet mathematically you could probably trace the entire avalanche back to just one of them (if you were god with the proper scientific calculator in hand) |
| 04:01.02 | batrick | bit presumptuous that you can attribute cause to a single snowflake? |
| 04:01.21 | Dagmar | There's always a tipping point. |
| 04:01.25 | Wobin | momentum |
| 04:01.29 | Dagmar | Whether or not it can always be measured is another matter. |
| 04:01.29 | batrick | i'm thinking entanglement |
| 04:01.32 | Wobin | breaking point |
| 04:01.43 | Ginji | point of no return! |
| 04:01.57 | Kraps | i have to tell a mage that a cloak with mp5 is healer gear >.< |
| 04:02.19 | batrick | lolol |
| 04:02.28 | Ginji | I've never played a caster |
| 04:02.46 | Dagmar | Like, who'd have ever thought shooting just one austrian would start a world war |
| 04:03.27 | Corrodias | damn straight, that's ALL it was about! don't let people tell you otherwise. |
| 04:03.49 | Dagmar | Meh it wasn't _all_ it was about, but it's widely believed to be the tipping point that started things really rolling |
| 04:04.06 | Ginji | It would have happened anyway |
| 04:04.22 | Ginji | Just like how it's about time for a new world war |
| 04:04.46 | Dagmar | Let's not. |
| 04:04.53 | Dagmar | Our next one will likely be our _last_ one. |
| 04:04.58 | batrick | ^ |
| 04:06.01 | Ginji | Either that or aliens |
| 04:06.18 | Ginji | Chine spaceshipkite aliens! |
| 04:06.27 | Ginji | s/chine/chinese/ |
| 04:06.50 | Ginji | oh case sensitive |
| 04:06.57 | Ginji | doh |
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| 04:07.57 | Ginji | oeh, almost have all three borderlands expansions |
| 04:08.37 | Wobin | Ginji, Achievement Unlocked! |
| 04:08.53 | Ginji | What did I win? |
| 04:09.02 | Ginji | 10 points? |
| 04:09.03 | Wobin | Achievement points =P |
| 04:11.04 | Ginji | lua> 4/24 |
| 04:11.06 | lua_bot | Ginji: 0.16666666666667 |
| 04:11.10 | DWSR | I just yelled bonestorm into vent. |
| 04:11.15 | DWSR | And everyone was like "orly?" |
| 04:11.30 | Ginji | "In the mountains" |
| 04:11.43 | Dagmar | Do you have PDA or mp3 player? |
| 04:12.11 | Dagmar | Go get the sample, put it in there, and plug your mic port into it. *MUCH* more effective. |
| 04:13.17 | Ginji | Can't you just config the pc to use wave out for input? |
| 04:13.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yes. |
| 04:13.26 | DWSR | I have vent set to my sound out. |
| 04:13.33 | DWSR | On my other(this) computer. |
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| 04:44.16 | Arrowmaster | damn i missed a good security and pki conversation while i was out it looks like |
| 04:46.33 | smcn | holy shit, the "experienced" voice for a human male in dragon age = zaeed |
| 04:46.46 | DWSR | smcn: Doesn't surprise me. |
| 04:50.18 | Arrowmaster | batrick: ive been toying around with a similar idea to that for a few years but the problem is that the hardware has to be fairly powerful and specialized to do the complex crypto completely on its own |
| 04:57.22 | DWSR | Yep. |
| 04:57.28 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Also, the other problems that we listed. |
| 04:57.56 | DWSR | i.e. you put trust in the machine you're attached to. |
| 04:58.00 | DWSR | Which is usually a really effing bad idea. |
| 04:58.25 | DWSR | ~karma DWSR |
| 04:58.25 | purl | dwsr has karma of 1 |
| 04:58.28 | DWSR | win. |
| 04:59.27 | Corrodias | ~karma Corrodias |
| 04:59.27 | purl | corrodias has karma of 2 |
| 04:59.34 | Corrodias | i'm worth like two of you. |
| 04:59.52 | Arrowmaster | ~karma Arrowmaster |
| 04:59.52 | purl | arrowmaster has karma of 5 |
| 05:04.18 | DWSR | Who's the chick that plays in the titanic? |
| 05:05.02 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/general-discussions/tier-sets-for-cataclysm/msg2212565/#msg2212565 |
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| 05:05.40 | Kraps | DWSR: Kate Winslet |
| 05:06.10 | DWSR | What does she say when they're staying on the prow of the ship? |
| 05:06.29 | Wobin | "I'm the King of the World"? |
| 05:06.36 | DWSR | No idea. |
| 05:07.20 | Kraps | He says it |
| 05:12.20 | Kraps | DiCaprio |
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| 06:15.50 | ccox | Something about tonight is just spewing bad tanks and huntards into my LFG groups |
| 06:15.55 | ccox | (no, I'm the healer) |
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| 06:22.22 | Kraps | probably the clock move |
| 06:30.07 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRGDcwOxBzY |
| 06:35.49 | Corrodias | bladestorm confuses the shit out of thetans |
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| 06:49.39 | shifuimam | are we talking about scientology now? |
| 06:50.09 | Corrodias | not really. you can if you want, but i'll be doing other things. |
| 07:00.20 | Dagmar | checks under the couch cushions for lawyers. |
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| 07:10.12 | ccox | checks under rocks for lawyers - much more likely to find them there |
| 07:13.47 | Corrodias | is the fact that they make a living off of knowing how law and courts work really something we can blame THEM For? isn't that kind of due to a complex system and lazy populace? |
| 07:13.59 | DWSR | rofl Kraps |
| 07:14.21 | Shadowed | If you talk about scientology, I have to ban you all |
| 07:14.22 | Shadowed | it's the rules |
| 07:14.32 | DWSR | Scientology. |
| 07:14.37 | *** kick/#wowuidev [DWSR!~outlaw@c-98-207-200-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] by Shadowed (bye) |
| 07:14.52 | Shadowed | Apparently he does not have auto join! |
| 07:15.14 | Shadowed | ... or he thinks he actually got banned |
| 07:16.05 | Shadowed | starts a stopwatch |
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| 07:57.33 | DWSR | SURPRISE COCKBAGS! |
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| 08:10.06 | Shadowed | same |
| 08:10.09 | Shadowed | bah mt |
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| 08:13.09 | Wobin | bah |
| 08:13.16 | Wobin | suprise server crash |
| 08:13.22 | Wobin | just as I'm midAnzu fight =( |
| 08:18.14 | Zyn | now you will never get the mount |
| 08:28.37 | Fisker | Shadowed |
| 08:28.41 | Shadowed | no |
| 08:28.42 | Fisker | you're driving into a tunnel |
| 08:28.45 | Fisker | you can't hear us |
| 08:28.50 | Fisker | you're losing the connection |
| 08:29.10 | Shadowed | one day Fisker, one day |
| 08:29.27 | Fisker | straight to the moon? |
| 08:30.13 | DWSR | Going to get this boat to the moon somehow. |
| 08:32.45 | DWSR | Gonna get this mount to Northrend somehow. |
| 08:32.50 | DWSR | DK Path of Frost, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!! |
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| 08:35.23 | Shirik | no |
| 08:35.38 | Shirik | you cannot run faster than the speed of light |
| 08:36.11 | airtonix | prove it |
| 08:36.33 | Shirik | F = Gm1m2 / r^2 |
| 08:36.53 | smcn | figures, raid starts in 10 minutes and mine is one of the few realms down for "emergency maintenance" |
| 08:36.59 | Shirik | Your mass will become infinite, resulting in exponentially increasing required force to run |
| 08:37.00 | airtonix | that assumes you know everything about the way the universe works |
| 08:37.06 | Shirik | to the point where you will reach a diminishing return |
| 08:37.09 | Shirik | I am Shirik, I know all |
| 08:37.20 | airtonix | is the earth still flat ? |
| 08:37.27 | Shirik | yes, actually |
| 08:37.30 | airtonix | i see |
| 08:37.41 | Shirik | our perception of it being a sphere is actually caused by a hologram effect |
| 08:37.42 | DWSR | Shirik: So we'll just increase the radius exponentially. |
| 08:37.55 | DWSR | Shouldn't be too hard, amirite? |
| 08:37.56 | Shirik | the earth is actually just a holographic projection of something happening on a 2-dimensional universe |
| 08:38.01 | DWSR | Just bend the fabric of space time a bit. |
| 08:38.03 | airtonix | what of the foru elephants ? |
| 08:38.07 | airtonix | four* |
| 08:38.27 | Shirik | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126911.300-our-world-may-be-a-giant-hologram.html?full=true |
| 08:38.28 | Shirik | enjoy |
| 08:38.33 | Shirik | that is why the earth is flat |
| 08:38.40 | Shirik | more accurately, the earth does not exist at all |
| 08:38.48 | PProvost | The Turtle Moves! |
| 08:38.51 | Shirik | but the easiest way to visualize it is that the earth is flat |
| 08:38.53 | airtonix | you're justa figment of my imagination ? |
| 08:39.21 | DWSR | yep |
| 08:39.29 | DWSR | Everything is nothing. |
| 08:39.34 | DWSR | How's that for obfuscation? |
| 08:39.34 | airtonix | Does Windows Still Run ? |
| 08:39.44 | DWSR | airtonix: Only when you restart it. |
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| 08:43.12 | Wobin | I wonder why the emergency maint |
| 08:43.36 | DWSR | think PS3 meltdown |
| 08:48.54 | Shirik | PS3s deserve meltdown |
| 08:52.05 | airtonix | enter key is the new space bar |
| 08:52.16 | airtonix | oh |
| 08:52.18 | airtonix | wait |
| 08:52.19 | airtonix | doing |
| 08:52.20 | airtonix | it |
| 08:52.24 | airtonix | wrong |
| 08:54.50 | batrick | Arrowmaster: pretty sure its no more complicated than secureid |
| 08:57.35 | Arrowmaster | well the secureid dont use that complex of algorithms because nobody actually sees any part of the crypto |
| 09:00.11 | Arrowmaster | if a public key, private key, or encrypted/signed message was to be seen it would be best to use the latest algorithms at higher strengths so they cant be bruteforced in a few years if there is some large leap in computing power or vulnerabilities found in the algorithms that would reduce the time needed to bruteforce |
| 09:02.27 | airtonix | seen those charts for brute forcing stuff with gpus |
| 09:02.37 | airtonix | years / 365 |
| 09:02.58 | Dagmar | And now there's botnets of tens of thousands of CPUs stolen power |
| 09:03.08 | Dagmar | ...in the hands of professional criminals. |
| 09:03.14 | Arrowmaster | its really pitiful how much outdated crytpo systems are still being used |
| 09:03.14 | Dagmar | Isn't _that_ pleasant. |
| 09:03.15 | airtonix | each having a slave bluetooth phone... |
| 09:04.01 | Arrowmaster | one of the root CA certificates was still using md2 or something a few years ago |
| 09:04.30 | Arrowmaster | verisign's i think |
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| 09:09.45 | DWSR | If I'm a DK, is it worth trying to pick up a +8 str socket bonus on a yellow/yellow/blue socket set? |
| 09:09.51 | DWSR | I'm leaning towards fuck no. |
| 09:09.54 | DWSR | but I want to be sure. |
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| 09:14.26 | Wobin | generally, socket bonuses aren't worth the effort |
| 09:16.01 | Audible | imo its blizzards way to give hints how the game should be played :P |
| 09:16.18 | airtonix | in your opinion? |
| 09:16.26 | Wobin | what, "Ignore these stats, and just stack what your primary stat is!"? |
| 09:17.14 | mikma | sucked bonus |
| 09:17.19 | airtonix | shiny green thing! |
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| 09:29.21 | Wobin | ~wowalert |
| 09:29.22 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 10:32.24 | airtonix | http://jeff.jones.be/technology/articles/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/ |
| 10:42.06 | Arrowmaster | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/03/re2-principled-approach-to-regular.html |
| 10:42.24 | nevcairiel | thats so last week Arrowmaster |
| 10:42.53 | Wobin | man, what would life be like if we didn't have regex |
| 10:42.58 | Arrowmaster | meh i saw it because of http://blogs.gnome.org/nigeltao/2010/03/14/we-arent-returning-you-to-your-regular-programming/ in my rss reader with pretty graphs |
| 10:43.11 | nevcairiel | Wobin: much simpler? |
| 10:43.27 | Wobin | nevcairiel, no, that would be life if we didn't have perl |
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| 11:43.43 | mikma | Your IP Address 123.125.156.131 Reveals The Following: |
| 11:43.43 | mikma | You are located in Beijing, China |
| 11:43.44 | mikma | hehe |
| 11:43.54 | Arathros | me? |
| 11:44.20 | mikma | no, me. |
| 11:44.37 | Arathros | ;P |
| 11:54.15 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 11:54.16 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
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| 12:03.53 | Arathros | lol |
| 12:04.26 | Arathros | ~emulate Arathros |
| 12:04.35 | Arathros | aaw |
| 12:09.55 | bleeter | Fisker: Huff that kitteh! http://bit.ly/IzeKI |
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| 13:16.43 | msoul | been trying to configure my SCT to look like what i am seeing in most videos |
| 13:17.03 | msoul | couldn't get it to act the same way i've no idea what i am doing wrong |
| 13:17.15 | msoul | checked the profiles already that is provided with the addon |
| 13:17.15 | nevcairiel | maybe its not SCT that you are seeing |
| 13:17.23 | Wobin | oh god |
| 13:17.27 | msoul | http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?57781-Wotlk-Fury-Warrior-Guide |
| 13:17.31 | msoul | Check the second part |
| 13:17.34 | Wobin | MS have truly understood what the power of achievements are |
| 13:17.36 | Wobin | http://www.officelabs.com/projects/ribbonhero/Pages/default.aspx |
| 13:17.57 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 13:18.25 | haste | booo! |
| 13:18.29 | haste | it requires silverlight to watch |
| 13:18.39 | Wobin | not for me it didn't |
| 13:18.45 | Wobin | it just asked me what player to play it in |
| 13:19.34 | haste | they have a tinly view as wmv text in the corner :V |
| 13:19.50 | msoul | nevcairiel: did you see it |
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| 13:22.36 | nevcairiel | no |
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| 13:29.48 | olafski | hahaha this is insane wobin |
| 13:29.55 | olafski | wonder if it's supposed to be an april fools thing |
| 13:32.26 | nevcairiel | half a month to early :D |
| 13:33.51 | foxlit | # Just be honest about it already and let's change gl hf to "Die!" |
| 13:38.40 | olafski | yeah nevcairiel but are people at microsoft really wasting their time on this? :P |
| 13:38.49 | olafski | I probably shouldn't ask a linux user this |
| 13:39.05 | olafski | I've been convinced yesterday to install windows 7 :D |
| 13:40.03 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.25 | olafski | apparently it's faster than xp even.. I'm going to install it on my server, not on my game/workstation just yet |
| 13:41.59 | Cide | so a school massacre threat has been published against my university |
| 13:42.09 | olafski | ouch |
| 13:42.11 | Cide | if I get shot tomorrow it shall be known that my addons are better than yours |
| 13:42.13 | Cide | k_ |
| 13:42.15 | Cide | k? |
| 13:42.56 | Cide | oh and that I beat Shirik in sc2 |
| 13:43.36 | foxlit | Sigh. |
| 13:43.44 | foxlit | Is everyone and their grandmother on US SC2 realms? |
| 13:43.52 | Cide | not you? |
| 13:44.20 | foxlit | Not me :( |
| 13:45.51 | amro | blizzard fails HARD for splitting networks |
| 13:45.58 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.12 | foxlit | They may have a legitimate ping time concern. But yeah, it's kind of meh :( |
| 13:46.18 | Cide | only for the people who ended up on the wrong side of the fence |
| 13:46.21 | Cide | oh snap! |
| 13:46.25 | amro | it's not legitimate. I can easily avoid high ping games |
| 13:46.34 | amro | just as I avoid them in every other game |
| 13:46.39 | Cide | not with random matchmaking |
| 13:46.43 | foxlit | You can, Joe Average might not. |
| 13:46.45 | amro | can set a threshold |
| 13:46.49 | amro | can filter them by default |
| 13:46.53 | foxlit | And then you get "zomg your game suxx!" |
| 13:46.56 | amro | can require me to dig in config files to enable global matches |
| 13:46.59 | Cide | what if the games are hosted by the bnet server? |
| 13:47.06 | amro | but there's no excuse for not having support for it at all |
| 13:47.10 | Cide | then you'd just have a virtual separation |
| 13:47.37 | Cide | anyway |
| 13:47.39 | amro | HoN hosts on official servers, but you can connect to any server |
| 13:48.28 | amro | just sort by ping and avoid far servers |
| 13:48.28 | Cide | right |
| 13:48.28 | Cide | but then you don't play with people from other regions anyway, pretty much |
| 13:48.28 | amro | it's not like intercontinental pings aren't improving |
| 13:48.28 | Cide | you CAN, but you probably will in release anyway |
| 13:48.28 | amro | yes, you do :) |
| 13:48.36 | Cide | as in |
| 13:48.40 | Wobin | win7 is faster than xp in a lot of cases |
| 13:49.11 | Cide | you'll probably be able to change region in sc2 release too |
| 13:49.17 | Cide | it's only a pain in the beta |
| 13:49.18 | amro | I doubt it |
| 13:49.28 | Cide | you always could in other bnet games |
| 13:49.35 | amro | yes, but this is the new bnet |
| 13:49.41 | Cide | and? |
| 13:49.50 | amro | eu and us are cleanly separated |
| 13:49.54 | amro | and on purpose |
| 13:49.59 | Cide | only right now |
| 13:50.07 | Cide | only because they have two virtual beta products |
| 13:50.16 | amro | it's like that for wow as well |
| 13:50.21 | amro | what makes you think they'll change it? |
| 13:50.30 | Cide | sc2 is not P2P |
| 13:50.43 | foxlit | forums say there's a maphack out. |
| 13:50.48 | Cide | they obviously connect to the same bnet account |
| 13:50.56 | Cide | it's just that it verifies that your flag corresponds to the region |
| 13:51.01 | haste | foxlit: several |
| 13:51.10 | Cide | if they remove that flag it'll automatically work in any region |
| 13:51.11 | amro | before bnet, you could use US client on EU and vice versa |
| 13:51.15 | amro | they removed that |
| 13:51.22 | haste | there's also custom AIs out |
| 13:51.25 | amro | frankly i don't see them going towards integrating US and EU |
| 13:51.28 | Cide | not saying that you will but I don't see why not |
| 13:51.35 | Cide | they won't integrate us and eu |
| 13:51.40 | Cide | but they may let you play on either |
| 13:51.45 | amro | I don't see why not either, which is why I think blizzard is failing |
| 13:51.48 | Cide | like sc1, wc3, etc |
| 13:51.59 | amro | let's hope |
| 13:52.09 | Cide | yep |
| 13:52.09 | amro | cause I'm not buying it twice |
| 13:52.14 | Cide | buying sc2 twice would suck |
| 13:52.45 | amro | not for kotick |
| 14:08.58 | Corrodias | Blizzard: trying to segregate the internet since 2004 |
| 14:09.19 | Fisker | haha |
| 14:09.21 | Fisker | that's a first |
| 14:09.28 | Fisker | a keylogger poster that argued his post wasn't a keylogger |
| 14:09.37 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12899880685 |
| 14:13.38 | Cide | Fisker: rofl |
| 14:13.43 | Cide | best part was the virustotal link |
| 14:13.45 | Cide | Symantec20091.2.0.412010.03.14Suspicious.Insight |
| 14:13.56 | Cide | Suspicious.Insight? that's awesome |
| 14:15.05 | Fisker | :D |
| 14:15.15 | Fisker | payload is just a base-64 encoded app at the end |
| 14:16.51 | A-KO | I still prefer Microsoft Security Essentials thus far :P |
| 14:18.41 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 14:18.53 | A-KO | upgraded my xbox live account to gold and my account still reflects on the xbox as silver.. |
| 14:19.20 | haste | Fisker: heh, and the poster is from my realm! |
| 14:21.25 | Fisker | see if he's online and whisper him |
| 14:21.29 | Fisker | "Cool keylogger bro" |
| 14:22.05 | haste | cba to log-on and create a ally |
| 14:22.16 | Fisker | traitor |
| 14:22.18 | Fisker | you were alliance |
| 14:26.27 | haste | no, I was horde before that! |
| 14:26.53 | haste | I played retail to post-kara as horde, then ally till wotlk |
| 14:29.56 | Fisker | post kara? |
| 14:30.39 | Wobin | sunwell? |
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| 14:33.21 | olafski | is it possible to use Clique with Vuhdo? |
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| 14:33.45 | Wobin | probably... if you exclude vuhdo's frames |
| 14:33.59 | olafski | include I guess.. they don't show up on the list so I guess I have to add them somehow |
| 14:34.01 | haste | Fisker: post-karazhan! |
| 14:35.18 | Fisker | that's lies |
| 14:35.26 | Fisker | because i GANKED YOU IN TBC POST-KARA! |
| 14:36.51 | olafski | hm, there's a feature request in vuhdo to make it compatible with clique, which has been declined by the author |
| 14:37.10 | Fisker | how can it be incompatible? |
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| 14:38.05 | olafski | clicking on vuhdo frames doesn't cast the spells specified by clique |
| 14:38.21 | olafski | of course I can probably modify clique to have those frames listed but it would be nice if vuhdo would "register" its frames |
| 14:40.30 | olafski | if I would make a small addon that depends on vuhdo and clique and just registers vuhdos frames with clique, would I be allowed to release that on curse? or is it against some license |
| 14:45.40 | haste | Fisker: I played horde until then :P |
| 14:49.57 | foxlit | olafski: go for it. |
| 14:53.08 | olafski | mkay.. as soon as I figure out how to do it ;) |
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| 14:58.25 | Cidwel | hallo |
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| 15:07.50 | foxlit | http://media.curse.com/Curse.Projects.ProjectImages/7950/14068/Panels_Text.jpg << really? |
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| 15:08.52 | haste | oh wow |
| 15:09.01 | haste | 1995 called, they want their movie GUI back |
| 15:10.42 | Gnarfoz | olafski: there's a global var that contains the frames registered to clique |
| 15:10.55 | Gnarfoz | you just have to add the names of Vuhdo's frames to that, I think? |
| 15:11.58 | foxlit | I thought vuhdo did its own bindings |
| 15:12.05 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.34 | Gnarfoz | "ClickCastFrames" it is called |
| 15:12.42 | foxlit | So you're in for happy fun times when both grid and vuhdo attempt to manage the same functionality |
| 15:12.51 | Gnarfoz | s/grid/clique/ |
| 15:13.02 | foxlit | mhm. |
| 15:13.26 | Gnarfoz | and that's probably why the author of Vudho declined that feature request ticket ;) |
| 15:16.40 | Fisker | liiiiiiiies haste |
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| 15:17.34 | foxlit | Fisker: Fisker.fisker? |
| 15:18.45 | Gnarfoz | gimme.beta, foxlit |
| 15:18.59 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: "0 friend invites" :( |
| 15:19.10 | foxlit | [Not that it's /those/ kind of friend invites] |
| 15:20.08 | olafski | gnarfoz: yeah I found that |
| 15:20.14 | olafski | gnarfoz: now I need to find out which frames are used by vuhdo |
| 15:20.54 | olafski | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/134157 <-- would something like this be usable? I guess I have to also add something to find out whether 'frame' is actually a player frame :( |
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| 15:25.32 | olafski | could just hack it a bit worse and just hardcode the frame names used by my vuhdo setup ;) |
| 15:26.50 | olafski | meh f it, I'll just tell my gf to copy her clique settings into vuhdo.. what a drag.. |
| 15:33.32 | Wobin | well |
| 15:33.42 | Wobin | write an addon that translates clique settings to vuhdo |
| 15:33.55 | haste | olafski: it would be better to dig through the code and see how it stores frame references internally, then expose that throught ClickCastFrames |
| 15:39.49 | olafski | that sounds like way too much work wobin |
| 15:40.03 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.17 | olafski | yer.. I already removed the work in progress |
| 15:40.28 | olafski | copying those settings manually is a lot less work than what I was going to do :P |
| 15:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | err, ignore that, sorry |
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| 15:55.52 | Cide | funny |
| 15:55.56 | Cide | I've never played aion |
| 15:56.20 | Cide | yet I receive an email saying my account will be locked unless I go to scsoft-abuse.com and log in |
| 15:56.28 | A-KO | nice |
| 15:56.32 | Cide | awesome link right |
| 15:56.34 | alestane | phishing fail. |
| 15:56.53 | Cidwel | whargargbl |
| 15:57.35 | Cidwel | recently i have received more than 3 mails of wow phishing per day... |
| 15:58.07 | nevcairiel | you count those? get a spam filter alread |
| 15:58.10 | nevcairiel | +y |
| 15:59.01 | Cidwel | I alredy have one nevcairiel, it's from gmail, I only say that the wow phishing acitivity has recently increased |
| 16:02.27 | amro | Cide: This site is under construction. |
| 16:02.55 | amro | all it needs is a gif of a construction site yellow/black stripes thingy and it's straight from 1996 |
| 16:12.43 | Cide | it was a sublink but I just posted the domain |
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| 16:53.18 | mikma | happy pi-day! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Day |
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| 17:07.56 | Fisker | foxlit yeah |
| 17:08.34 | foxlit | Fisker: no games for two weeks? :( |
| 17:09.27 | Fisker | nope : |
| 17:09.28 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:09.35 | Fisker | busy trolling keyloggers |
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| 17:12.29 | Fisker | did you see it foxlit ? |
| 17:12.36 | Fisker | Someone linked a malicious version of Rawr |
| 17:12.42 | Fisker | And i called him on it |
| 17:12.48 | Fisker | then he started arguing it was legit |
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| 17:13.11 | Fisker | until i posted hash comparisons and told them there was secondary binary embedded with base-64 encoding |
| 17:13.12 | Fisker | hurr hurr |
| 17:13.45 | Ruggiero | I'm looking for theories on why the change in x and y coordinates for a player moving at a constant speed in a straight line is not... constant |
| 17:13.58 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=80a_1266361838 |
| 17:14.10 | Fisker | is your fps constant? |
| 17:14.47 | Lopeppeppy | Is the terrain level? |
| 17:14.53 | Gnarfoz | mikma: only in the US, pfff :D |
| 17:15.06 | Ruggiero | terrain is level, is fps ever constant? |
| 17:15.50 | Cide | no |
| 17:15.52 | Fisker | i'm pretty sure that FPS can affect your movement speed |
| 17:15.53 | Cide | but that's why |
| 17:15.57 | Fisker | Atleast i've heard it before |
| 17:15.59 | Cide | FPS means game loops |
| 17:16.07 | Cide | the map coordinates are likely updated every game loop |
| 17:16.23 | Ruggiero | makes sense |
| 17:16.31 | Cide | hence the map coordinates are updated every game loop and thus varies with your fps |
| 17:17.04 | Cide | dy/dx should be quite constant, however |
| 17:17.06 | Cide | if I'm right |
| 17:23.31 | olafski | can anyone think of a reason why the vuhdo author uses this fuzzy looking config panel instead of the default wow widgets? seems like a lot of work for not a lot of gain |
| 17:26.28 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe s/he wanted the experience of writing one? Drop a comment and ask. :) |
| 17:28.31 | olafski | I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that he wrote the addon for his gf, and wanted it to be cuddly.. I would've much preferred if it would just use aceconfigdialog :P |
| 17:28.37 | foxlit | It's not actually a lot of work. |
| 17:28.43 | olafski | it's not? hm |
| 17:28.58 | foxlit | But saying #@$@# UI integration is annoying. |
| 17:29.06 | cbreak | text editor. |
| 17:29.17 | Lopeppeppy | And maybe s/he hates the aceconfigdialog stuff as much as you prefer it. |
| 17:29.31 | cbreak | a text editor is a user interface :) |
| 17:29.32 | olafski | possibly.. still seems like using the blizzard options thing is less work though :P |
| 17:29.40 | foxlit | Er, no. |
| 17:30.24 | foxlit | Blizzard options thing provides you with virtually nothing |
| 17:30.47 | foxlit | [And it's error handling behavior shoots you in the foot while you aren't looking.] |
| 17:31.00 | olafski | true but then you at least don't have to make all those custom graphics |
| 17:31.00 | Cide | also |
| 17:31.02 | Cide | ace* is bad |
| 17:31.03 | foxlit | s/'// |
| 17:32.08 | olafski | I love it when people state their opinion as fact without supporting it :D |
| 17:32.28 | olafski | anywho, dinner time.. I'll just stop looking at vuhdo, doesn't look like I will use it.. my gf seems to like it though |
| 17:32.32 | Cide | I love it when people expect other people to use things simply because they themselves prefer it |
| 17:32.57 | olafski | I don't recall expecting anyone to do that.. I said I would prefer it |
| 17:33.12 | olafski | why am I bothering to argue with you.. I've seen before how that works out :P |
| 17:33.27 | Cide | yeah |
| 17:33.50 | Cide | I troll the opponents successfully and they ignore me and I go on with my life |
| 17:33.51 | Cide | it's great |
| 17:34.37 | p3lim | anyone know of a firefox addon that will show the url target under the mouse in the navigation bar? |
| 17:37.00 | Gnarfoz | ~seen tekkub |
| 17:37.02 | purl | tekkub <~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 19h 56m 10s ago, saying: 'mikma: this one's still better: http://www.geekstir.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/goodneweveryone.jpg'. |
| 17:37.27 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: Fission does that |
| 17:38.00 | Gnarfoz | (additionally to the primary function: show the progress bar as the background of the navigation bar) |
| 17:39.51 | Fisker | i fission u Gnarfoz |
| 17:39.56 | Gnarfoz | I fusion you |
| 17:40.19 | Gnarfoz | after confining you in ultra-strong magnetic force-fields! |
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| 17:43.01 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr? do you guys need a hotel room? |
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| 17:44.17 | p3lim | Gnarfoz: I don't like fission, it fucks over my theme |
| 17:44.36 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: a dungeon, rather |
| 17:44.43 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: ew, themes ;-) |
| 17:45.00 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: but I know what you mean, it doesn't play well with anything but the default, possibly |
| 17:45.11 | p3lim | well, the theme adds aero effects to firefox, thats why |
| 17:45.20 | Gnarfoz | oO |
| 17:45.22 | Gnarfoz | linky linky? |
| 17:45.24 | p3lim | and fission fucks that up |
| 17:45.25 | p3lim | sec |
| 17:45.33 | p3lim | on a boss in icc :p |
| 17:45.51 | Gnarfoz | but time to talk on IRC, hehe |
| 17:46.00 | p3lim | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12181 |
| 17:46.04 | p3lim | kinda healing |
| 17:46.13 | p3lim | but with two others, so I dont -have- to do shit |
| 17:46.27 | p3lim | and its gunship, so noone cares |
| 17:46.42 | Gnarfoz | true |
| 17:47.05 | p3lim | anyways, there you go |
| 17:47.09 | p3lim | glass for everyone |
| 17:47.31 | p3lim | tends to tear up when windows7 decides to turn off aero, but meh |
| 17:47.50 | Gnarfoz | it only does that when some *really* crappy app makes it |
| 17:48.00 | p3lim | yep |
| 17:48.06 | p3lim | like Steam |
| 17:49.01 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 17:49.01 | Cide | steam doesn't do that |
| 17:49.03 | Gnarfoz | also, I can't install the addon from there, wtf |
| 17:49.07 | Cide | the specific game that sucks does that |
| 17:49.22 | alestane | Hugapeppy. |
| 17:49.25 | p3lim | steam provides the incompability |
| 17:49.32 | p3lim | but yeah, its the games |
| 17:49.42 | p3lim | steam just forces rollback on windows compability |
| 17:49.46 | Gnarfoz | hm, it behaved like I had JS turned off, but I hadn't ;o |
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| 17:49.55 | Cide | that's like saying it's windows' fault since windows launches steam |
| 17:50.02 | amro | fuck widescreen |
| 17:50.07 | Gnarfoz | it's all Steve Ballmer's fault! |
| 17:50.08 | amro | why can't they make good ol' 4:3 laptops anymore? |
| 17:50.18 | Cide | because fuck 4:3? |
| 17:50.31 | p3lim | Gnarfoz: you have to check off the experimental thingy |
| 17:50.32 | amro | because fuck you =( |
| 17:50.34 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.kropserkel.com/horse_head_pillow.htm |
| 17:50.42 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: well, I did, nothing happened - that's what I'm saying |
| 17:50.47 | amro | widescreen is uselss to me, I want to see more lines of code, not longer lines |
| 17:50.56 | Gnarfoz | it behaved as if I had no JS enabled, but I already had addons.mozilla.org whitelisted |
| 17:51.04 | Gnarfoz | anyway, the theme seems broken |
| 17:51.15 | p3lim | works for me with firefox 3.6 |
| 17:51.16 | Gnarfoz | my toolbars have a solid black background :( |
| 17:52.06 | p3lim | most likely incompability with another addon |
| 17:52.08 | p3lim | like fission |
| 17:52.21 | Gnarfoz | no, I turned Fission off, of course :p |
| 17:52.23 | p3lim | I barely use any addons tho, I fuck things over with userchrome instead :p |
| 17:52.28 | Gnarfoz | and I have no other graphical addons :( |
| 17:53.05 | p3lim | odd |
| 17:53.54 | Gnarfoz | the actual menu bar and the status bar look fine |
| 17:54.00 | p3lim | screenie? |
| 17:54.20 | p3lim | All I have in my FF window is tabs and navbar tho' |
| 17:54.40 | p3lim | http://www.p3lim.net/images/firefox2.jpg |
| 17:55.30 | p3lim | try Strata40 addon with the Strata theme |
| 17:57.33 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/firefox_glass.png |
| 17:58.34 | p3lim | wtf :p |
| 17:59.20 | Gnarfoz | looks totally fucked, I have no idea :D |
| 17:59.50 | Gnarfoz | but there's a release schedulded that will look basically like this natively, anyway, or am I imagining things |
| 18:00.03 | haste | is amazed people can surf without tree style tab. |
| 18:00.13 | Gnarfoz | treewhat |
| 18:00.20 | Shadowed | what |
| 18:00.24 | Shadowed | you are a nutcase hastee |
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| 18:00.37 | Gnarfoz | a case, full of nuts! |
| 18:00.41 | haste | http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_treestyletab.html.en |
| 18:01.56 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: use Strata 4.0 and StrataBuddy, and whatever comes with that, the theme works fine |
| 18:02.07 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: nothanks |
| 18:02.12 | p3lim | haste: that thing made me mad :p |
| 18:02.25 | nevcairiel | well yours is broken, so, have fun with that! |
| 18:02.30 | Gnarfoz | mine? |
| 18:02.45 | Gnarfoz | mine is just the default Firefox theme, and an addon that doesn't work with *that* probably fails horribly :p |
| 18:02.48 | nevcairiel | you just posted a broken screenshot |
| 18:03.02 | Gnarfoz | yeah, of AllGlass |
| 18:03.32 | nevcairiel | and i gave you an option for working glass |
| 18:03.55 | p3lim | Strata40 is good |
| 18:03.59 | Gnarfoz | I don't want another theme? |
| 18:04.01 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 18:04.03 | p3lim | tabs are a bit bugged with it though |
| 18:04.19 | Gnarfoz | I don't even care much for the glass stuff, as, eventually, it will do this natively anyway |
| 18:04.35 | nevcairiel | the same looks pretty similar too, you just have to use another one for the glass to work properly |
| 18:04.39 | Gnarfoz | I'll certainly not switch to some random theme just to have glass effects ^^ |
| 18:04.43 | nevcairiel | s/same/theme/ |
| 18:04.56 | nevcairiel | well, whatever. |
| 18:04.58 | nevcairiel | just giving options |
| 18:04.59 | Gnarfoz | indeed :D |
| 18:05.34 | Gnarfoz | I try to not pimp my Firefox too much because I get annoyed when I have to use an unmodified one, then |
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| 18:05.38 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 18:05.52 | p3lim | why would you use an unmodified one? |
| 18:05.54 | nevcairiel | thats why i switched to chrome, i like it even unmodified |
| 18:06.13 | frontendloader | chrome opens at least 5x as quick on my system |
| 18:06.23 | Gnarfoz | why would I ever close my webbrowser, frontendloader |
| 18:06.25 | p3lim | I never close Firefox so its no issue |
| 18:06.36 | frontendloader | I close it when I'm done |
| 18:06.43 | Gnarfoz | "done" :< |
| 18:06.50 | p3lim | lol |
| 18:07.09 | frontendloader | it is paretty ridiculouls how slowly firefox opens |
| 18:07.14 | Gnarfoz | well, I finished the internet today, so I got a new book. ;-) |
| 18:07.18 | p3lim | let me test |
| 18:07.39 | p3lim | firefox started in 2-3 seconds for me |
| 18:07.45 | Gnarfoz | and actually, if your "places" databases are recently vacuumed, it starts quite quickly |
| 18:07.56 | frontendloader | why should I have to vacuum |
| 18:07.57 | Gnarfoz | (as of 3.6, it does this on its own) |
| 18:08.00 | Gnarfoz | you don't. |
| 18:08.02 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 18:08.04 | frontendloader | firefox is the PC of web browsers |
| 18:08.13 | frontendloader | sluggish as hell |
| 18:08.18 | frontendloader | chrome = mac |
| 18:08.18 | Gnarfoz | you are the moron of #wowuidev |
| 18:08.19 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 18:08.26 | p3lim | I generally dont like how Chrome looks |
| 18:08.27 | Gnarfoz | it's not sluggish by any means *shrug* |
| 18:08.28 | frontendloader | it just works |
| 18:08.36 | nevcairiel | wait, chrome is the mac? |
| 18:08.42 | nevcairiel | i need to delete it with fire, fast |
| 18:08.45 | p3lim | i can see that |
| 18:09.01 | p3lim | it works, but you cant do shit about it |
| 18:09.26 | nevcairiel | i never had issues with firefox opening slowly |
| 18:09.37 | nevcairiel | i mostly switched because the firefox nightlys have been highly unstable |
| 18:09.45 | nevcairiel | and i didnt feel like going back to stable |
| 18:10.12 | frontendloader | idk mine just never opens quickly enough |
| 18:10.15 | frontendloader | especially if I have wow open |
| 18:10.27 | frontendloader | whereas chrome is pretty much instant open every time |
| 18:10.41 | nevcairiel | get win7 and a shitload of memory, it'll keep your browser in memory constantly |
| 18:10.49 | nevcairiel | whichever you use |
| 18:10.53 | frontendloader | using vista with a shitload of memory right now |
| 18:11.01 | nevcairiel | yeah all the good caching is only in 7 ;) |
| 18:11.05 | Gnarfoz | vista's prefetching is laughable compared to win7's |
| 18:11.22 | p3lim | i5, 8gb ddr3 ram, I never have issues with firefox |
| 18:11.27 | Gnarfoz | I wonder how they managed to bork that idea so badly the first time around |
| 18:11.47 | nevcairiel | total: 8gb, in use: 1.9gb, cache: 6gb, free: 120mb |
| 18:11.49 | frontendloader | I only keep a persistant web browser open on my second pc |
| 18:12.00 | nevcairiel | windows knows how to use my ram |
| 18:12.24 | foxlit | Free: 3239 MB |
| 18:12.33 | foxlit | Clearly doesn't know what to do with it |
| 18:12.44 | Gnarfoz | total: 4gb, cached: 1.68gb, available: 1.78gb, free: 118mb ^^ |
| 18:12.47 | p3lim | Free: 5914 MB :p |
| 18:13.45 | nevcairiel | speaking of firefox, anyone know a extension that can sync with google bookmarks - the same thign chrome natively syncs to? |
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| 18:18.22 | frontendloader | hrm, does github allow binary files to be pushed to a repo? |
| 18:23.20 | Cide | why would it not? |
| 18:23.42 | Cide | sounds like a huge design flaw if it wouldn't, not that I have ever used it |
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| 18:30.51 | frontendloader | idk I figured it might be source-only |
| 18:35.38 | nevcairiel | stuff contains images, and all that |
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| 19:01.48 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12899900809&sid=1 <- "I no longer play my main and want my mechanohog transferred" |
| 19:01.49 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 19:47.03 | Cloudwolf | Any one know why when creating a check button it registers the clicking way off of where hte button actualy is? |
| 19:47.56 | alestane | Not Enough Info (tm) |
| 19:48.07 | foxlit | Because hitbox and graphics are not necessarily related. |
| 19:48.20 | Cloudwolf | How would i set the hitbox on the button tot he location of hte graphics? |
| 19:49.34 | alestane | Anchor points, :SetWidth and :SetHeight, usually. |
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| 19:50.17 | Cloudwolf | I had SetWidht and SetHeight in the code earleirt and it still didn't help |
| 19:50.47 | alestane | Most likely you've anchored your check box graphic incorrectly. |
| 19:51.03 | Cloudwolf | checkraid:SetPoint("TopLeft",bgframe,"TopLeft",150,-75) |
| 19:51.21 | Cloudwolf | so probably yes |
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| 19:56.29 | Cloudwolf | .... I'm about to just say f*ck this and change them to buttons and not check boxes |
| 19:56.53 | olafski | I used to have that issue too |
| 19:57.26 | olafski | kind of annoying, I didn't do anything with those anchors :< |
| 19:58.06 | Cloudwolf | well i don't know hwo to fix all the anchors... |
| 19:58.32 | olafski | what are you building? |
| 19:59.18 | Cloudwolf | What exactly doyou mean by building? what ismy over all goal with the addon? or what am i trying to do thats giving me issues right now |
| 20:00.37 | olafski | what kind of thing are you doing right now :) |
| 20:00.45 | Cloudwolf | Trying to make checkbuttons |
| 20:00.54 | olafski | for a config panel? |
| 20:01.11 | Cloudwolf | and the hitbox for where you click to check it is atleast 100 pixels to the right of where the graphic is |
| 20:01.22 | Cloudwolf | pretty much for a config panel olafski |
| 20:01.25 | olafski | hmm |
| 20:01.45 | olafski | well, I'd recommend using aceconfig.. but I'm sure some smartass will show up and say that's a bad recommendation :) |
| 20:01.59 | alestane | The only way anyone's likely to be able to pin down where your code is breaking is if you pastey it somewhere. |
| 20:02.11 | olafski | that probably would be easier ;) |
| 20:03.57 | Cloudwolf | http://www.pastey.net/134180 |
| 20:04.00 | Cloudwolf | they are at hte bottom |
| 20:04.12 | Cloudwolf | and yes i'm sure i'll get comments about wow your code is ugly |
| 20:04.35 | olafski | if you know that beforehand, why not make it prettier? ;) |
| 20:04.50 | Cloudwolf | because that takes effort. |
| 20:04.59 | Cloudwolf | and everyone has thier prefrences... |
| 20:07.07 | Cloudwolf | fixed it |
| 20:07.12 | Cloudwolf | changed the inherted type |
| 20:08.25 | Cloudwolf | should prolly eather only use wowprogramming for my refrences or go tyr and fix the wowwiki... |
| 20:08.29 | olafski | code looks pretty enough to me ;p |
| 20:08.58 | Fisker | i olafski u |
| 20:09.07 | foxlit | "go tyr and fix the wowwiki..." << anything in particular? |
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| 20:11.27 | Cloudwolf | *try... well a page gives a bad example that i coppied because i didn't know what appearance looks the check buttons took uhh example would be UICheckButtonTemplate |
| 20:11.47 | Cloudwolf | the template it gave a template where you could select the button from the location of hte button up to about 100 pixels to the right of the button |
| 20:12.01 | Cloudwolf | http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_CheckButton |
| 20:12.23 | Cloudwolf | it gives "ChatConfigCheckButtonTemplate" as an example |
| 20:12.40 | foxlit | The fun part is that that page is recent |
| 20:12.48 | Cloudwolf | and bad |
| 20:19.13 | foxlit | Hm. I'm not sure the behavior itself is bad, but the writeup is lacking. |
| 20:20.51 | Cloudwolf | Ok let me rephrase that. It lacks enough explanation. Its initial example is misleading as most people aren't looking for a check box that registers clicking 100pixels to to the right. |
| 20:21.10 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 20:21.11 | Fisker | i hey u |
| 20:22.15 | foxlit | Hey, it's usually nice if the label corresponding to the checkbox is clickable. |
| 20:24.20 | olafski | it seems more intuitive if the checkbox is clickable too though ;) |
| 20:25.33 | Shirik | ew |
| 20:25.35 | Shirik | I'm reading a study |
| 20:25.39 | Cloudwolf | it doesn't help if i didn't plan my check boxes to be vertically laid out. |
| 20:25.53 | Shirik | How many defects do you think are injected per 1000 lines of code, on average? |
| 20:26.11 | alestane | 50? |
| 20:26.25 | foxlit | olafski: it is for me. |
| 20:26.34 | Shirik | that's higher than I would have guessed, but still too low. 100 |
| 20:26.36 | Cloudwolf | for me personaly i would think over 500 lol |
| 20:26.43 | olafski | foxlit: ah okay, I thought .. nevermind I guess ;p |
| 20:27.02 | olafski | shirik: gotta love statistics :) |
| 20:27.18 | olafski | on average a programmer yields about 7 lines of code per day |
| 20:27.25 | foxlit | Shirik: what's a defect? |
| 20:27.41 | olafski | apparently independent of which language is used |
| 20:27.54 | Shirik | is that a serious question or are you trying to say "how do they define 'defect' for that statistic?" |
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| 20:28.09 | foxlit | Yes? |
| 20:28.18 | Shirik | olafski: Hm, that seems a little low. I know the aerospace industry averages 1 line of code per hour, and Boeing averages 5 |
| 20:28.27 | foxlit | Not like the two are mutually exclusive. |
| 20:28.29 | Shirik | so I would expect "general programming" to be higher than that |
| 20:28.42 | olafski | I'd expect higher too.. afraid I can't show a source |
| 20:28.49 | Shirik | foxlit: I mean do you simply not know what a defect is? |
| 20:28.49 | olafski | but the interesting part really was that the language doesn't matter |
| 20:29.06 | Shirik | That's because most of the work is not actually writing the code (if done right) |
| 20:29.07 | foxlit | I mean I have no idea what your statistic factoid thinks a defect is. |
| 20:29.25 | foxlit | Hence, I have no idea what /you/ mean. |
| 20:29.34 | Shirik | ok well I don't know what they specified for "defect" but my understanding is "syntax or logic error" |
| 20:29.42 | olafski | shirik: sure, but some languages are vastly more compact than others |
| 20:29.49 | Shirik | or requirements error, design error, etc. |
| 20:30.12 | olafski | I would hope syntax errors aren't counted since most serious development would be done with at least a syntax checker built in? :s |
| 20:30.25 | olafski | then again they could be counted but I assume they don't occur often |
| 20:30.52 | Shirik | syntax errors are counted in many SDPs |
| 20:31.05 | foxlit | One wonders whether that metric is meaningful at all. |
| 20:31.12 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:31.21 | foxlit | Does it also count spelling errors I backspace and fix 3 seconds after making them? |
| 20:31.48 | Shirik | no :P |
| 20:31.58 | Shirik | defects would be things you didn't initially notice |
| 20:32.02 | Shirik | something that had to be caught |
| 20:32.30 | olafski | is it caught by the programmer themselves or by a QA/test team? |
| 20:32.44 | Shirik | if you count the compiler as a QA, then the latter |
| 20:32.56 | Shirik | but that's a narrow definition |
| 20:33.02 | Shirik | for example, I practice in code reviewsw |
| 20:33.14 | Shirik | that's a form of QA, even though the person is likely not on "the" QA team |
| 20:33.25 | olafski | no but that's a defect I would count |
| 20:33.30 | Shirik | right |
| 20:33.37 | olafski | defects I find while testing / trying out my own code I wouldn't count |
| 20:33.50 | Shirik | it's still a loss of time and must be recorded |
| 20:33.58 | olafski | true but so is a typo |
| 20:34.29 | Shirik | arguable |
| 20:34.35 | Shirik | if you want to record every typo, be my guest |
| 20:34.41 | olafski | given my liking for TDD, I tend to "catch" errors quite often and repair them often too |
| 20:34.50 | Shirik | but you should record them |
| 20:35.17 | olafski | I'm also quite lazy so I tend to type code quickly and not think about whether it works too much :P |
| 20:35.40 | Shirik | are you taking a computer science major? |
| 20:36.18 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds it. :P |
| 20:36.34 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Do I sound like a computer science major? |
| 20:36.57 | Lopeppeppy | I know you're more complex than that, so that is not a fair question to ask me anymore. |
| 20:36.59 | olafski | I am yes |
| 20:37.05 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 20:37.20 | Shirik | olafski: This is my problem with computer science |
| 20:37.26 | Shirik | it focuses too much on the implementation |
| 20:37.27 | olafski | that it creates lazy people? |
| 20:37.36 | olafski | oh, computer science at my university doesn't at all |
| 20:37.37 | Shirik | it creates people that want to code, instead of people that want to create a product |
| 20:37.46 | olafski | I'm inherently lazy |
| 20:38.04 | olafski | I'm doing the formal methods track even, not a lot of coding going on |
| 20:38.15 | Shirik | fine, let me be a bit more clear |
| 20:38.18 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, my problem with university CS is that it doesn't even do that |
| 20:38.33 | Shirik | it doesn't focus enough on the process for developing software, e.g., requirements, project management, etc. |
| 20:38.36 | ZorbaTHut | it creates people obsessed with the theory of CS, not people who have any interest in actually writing good code :P |
| 20:38.42 | Shirik | heh |
| 20:38.46 | olafski | let me be more clear: that's the only thing we focus on |
| 20:38.49 | Shirik | but google loves that ^ |
| 20:38.54 | olafski | I'm bored to tears with this study |
| 20:38.59 | olafski | glad I'll be done soon |
| 20:39.12 | ZorbaTHut | that said I do agree that even if it did teach people just to code, it would still be reasonably far away from "creating a good product" :) |
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| 20:39.29 | Shirik | Honestly, every time I meet someone that says "requirements engineering is a waste of time" or even worse "documenting is a waste of time" I cry a little inside |
| 20:39.38 | foxlit | Shirik: There's really a reason: people hate that. |
| 20:39.55 | Shirik | regardless of whether or not you hate it, your customer hates a delayed product |
| 20:40.08 | olafski | I don't hate it at all |
| 20:40.10 | Shirik | delayed, overbudget, etc. |
| 20:40.12 | olafski | I'm just bored with this study :P |
| 20:40.14 | Dashkal | Response: "Then you aren't a real developer, just a hack" |
| 20:40.27 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, I don't think they're wastes of time, but I do think it's important to realize that they're not always necessary. there certainly are segments of programming that lean towards the "construction" side of things, where you know what you're making and you just have to make it |
| 20:41.06 | ZorbaTHut | there are also segments that lean heavily towards "art" and "experimentation" where you expect to try wacky things and throw 'em away if they don't work. it's probably not worth doing major engineering efforts on stuff that has a 50-99% chance of being tossed anyway. |
| 20:41.16 | Shirik | I believe there are levels of requirements engineering. For example, for the most basic tasks where even I want to skip requirements engineering, what I do is set up a tool like JIRA to keep track of tasks I need to do to reach my goal and that's it. |
| 20:41.22 | Shirik | and throw stuff in there as I need to |
| 20:41.25 | Shirik | truly agile |
| 20:41.37 | Shirik | that's still requirements engineering, despite it being extremely basic |
| 20:41.40 | Dashkal | Requirements engineering as a concept is never a waste of time. The formal document, perhaps, but not the concept behind it. |
| 20:41.47 | Dashkal | Or what Shirik said :P |
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| 20:42.24 | PProvost | It is a misconception that agile doesn't value clearly understanding requirements |
| 20:42.32 | Shirik | ^ |
| 20:42.37 | PProvost | If anything, agile methods demand clearer understanding of requirements |
| 20:42.48 | Shirik | What they do value is being able to adjust requirements as needed, and being able to manage changing requirements |
| 20:43.10 | PProvost | Being able to adjust anything |
| 20:43.14 | olafski | nice.. me mentioning I'm lazy sparked a whole discussion ;-) |
| 20:43.19 | PProvost | Wheee! |
| 20:43.24 | PProvost | I'm fourth lazy form! |
| 20:43.46 | PProvost | So lazy I do extra things so I don't every had to do it again |
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| 21:01.33 | Kraps | hey |
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| 21:02.11 | Kraps | just back from visiting my grandpa |
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| 21:02.52 | Kraps | its nice and quite where he is |
| 21:05.09 | Cloudwolf | is there an easy way to align gtext? |
| 21:05.15 | Cloudwolf | *align |
| 21:06.00 | zenzelezz | gtext? |
| 21:06.08 | Cloudwolf | *align text |
| 21:06.21 | zenzelezz | ah. Thought maybe you meant guild chat |
| 21:06.58 | Cloudwolf | becasue currently the text tries to stay exactly in the center of the frame i put the text in. I would like it to align to the left |
| 21:07.57 | Seerah | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/FontInstance/SetJustifyH |
| 21:09.27 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=47810;50268 <-- For a Frost DK tank...which one? Pawn's saying Rimefang's Claw, but is the avoidance really that much better than the stamina? |
| 21:10.13 | DWSR | err. |
| 21:10.17 | DWSR | s/stamina/armor/ |
| 21:11.35 | Cloudwolf | Ty seerah. |
| 21:12.50 | DWSR | !api addchatmessage |
| 21:12.51 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'addchatmessage'. |
| 21:12.55 | DWSR | !api chat |
| 21:12.55 | lua_bot | Found 100 possible matches for 'chat'. Please be more specific |
| 21:12.58 | DWSR | fuck you |
| 21:13.08 | zenzelezz | what are you trying to do? |
| 21:13.18 | Seerah | DWSR: are you looking for AddMessage or SendChatMessage? |
| 21:13.27 | DWSR | Latter, thanks. |
| 21:13.30 | olafski | the melee speed is nice on rimefang's claw too |
| 21:13.33 | DWSR | I've got it. |
| 21:13.37 | DWSR | olafski: I'm a DW DK tank. |
| 21:13.42 | olafski | yes |
| 21:13.44 | Seerah | (probably searching for message would have been better ;) ) |
| 21:13.44 | olafski | and? :P |
| 21:13.44 | DWSR | olafski: aka, both of the speeds suck. |
| 21:13.51 | olafski | yeah but 1.7 still beats 1.5 |
| 21:13.58 | DWSR | truf. |
| 21:14.10 | olafski | I'd probably take two dps weapons for tanking but still |
| 21:14.44 | DWSR | I have Burnished Quel'Serrar and my choice of Rimefang's Claw, 232 Crusader's Glory or Razorscale Talon |
| 21:14.55 | olafski | mm quel serrar |
| 21:14.59 | DWSR | Since Burnished Quel'Serrar is a clear first. :P |
| 21:15.29 | olafski | if my DK could wield the old quel'serrar I'd even prefer that over rimefang's claw ;p |
| 21:16.10 | zenzelezz | all together now; Quel'Serrar, serrar... whatever will be, will be |
| 21:17.27 | olafski | quel'serrar was the only item in vanilla I ever wanted.. I think it still is now, the rest is just stats, quel'serrar is pure awesomeness |
| 21:17.49 | zenzelezz | it wasn't the only thing I wanted, but it was the main one |
| 21:18.09 | zenzelezz | it was the only "awesome" you could hope to get without joining a raid guild |
| 21:18.16 | olafski | heh yeap |
| 21:18.20 | olafski | I bought mine for 2500g |
| 21:18.26 | olafski | was in a raiding guild though |
| 21:18.40 | zenzelezz | I got mine for 800, but that was close to Naxx release |
| 21:18.50 | olafski | ah I think mine was when BWL was just released |
| 21:18.57 | zenzelezz | got to go to Onyxia with a big raid guild to finish it, and since I was in the raid group they offered me to come along to AQ40 afterwards |
| 21:19.05 | olafski | and lying in bed after I had bought the book, I realized I had probably bought it from a cheater |
| 21:19.20 | olafski | but my conscience was clear since I paid all my money + another 1000g loaned from guildies for it |
| 21:19.22 | zenzelezz | felt a bit silly having to use my Ice-Bladed Hacker or whatever the blue axe was because I realised I hadn't used a 1h sword for so long |
| 21:19.52 | olafski | (and I didn't know when I bought it) |
| 21:19.52 | DWSR | olafski: I'm going with Rimefang's Claw purely because it's approximately the same length as the Quel'Serrar |
| 21:20.00 | olafski | dwsr: as good a reason as any :) |
| 21:20.10 | olafski | quel'serrar is the only reason I hate not being in a guild anymore :P |
| 21:20.12 | zenzelezz | if you squint a bit it also looks similar |
| 21:20.32 | DWSR | It looks like someone took a bite out of Quel'Serrar and said "LOOKIE! NEW WEAPON!" |
| 21:20.33 | Kraps | DWSR: how bad is frost dk leveling? |
| 21:20.41 | DWSR | Kraps: Dunno, I leveled unholy. |
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| 21:20.59 | Cloudwolf | does http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL register whispers also? |
| 21:21.03 | olafski | how bad is any DK leveling really? |
| 21:21.07 | olafski | all trees are pretty good :P |
| 21:21.10 | zenzelezz | !api CHAT_MSG_WHISPER |
| 21:21.13 | lua_bot | CHAT_MSG_WHISPER: Fires when the player receives a whisper from a player character (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_WHISPER) |
| 21:21.17 | zenzelezz | I guess that does |
| 21:21.41 | olafski | cloudwolf: it does say "used for numbered chat channels".. so guess not :P |
| 21:21.50 | DWSR | olafski: Actually, I've heard that blood and unholy beat the shit out of Frost. |
| 21:21.56 | Cloudwolf | well zenzlezz i was trying to find out if my life would be easier registering 1 event that takes everything or if i need to register abotua thousand little ones |
| 21:22.05 | DWSR | UH for the AoE grind capabilities, blood for the fact that it's pretty much an Affliction lock wearing plate. |
| 21:22.06 | Cloudwolf | blood is easy leveling |
| 21:22.11 | Cloudwolf | you can do basicaly 2 or 3 man quests solo |
| 21:22.15 | Cloudwolf | because of allt he self healing |
| 21:22.40 | zenzelezz | Cloudwolf: imagine if CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL had done whispers, how would you have known which on you were processing? |
| 21:22.57 | zenzelezz | *one |
| 21:23.07 | olafski | dwsr: I tried all of them.. think I started with frost, then went to blood and then unholy |
| 21:23.26 | olafski | you can do 2-3man quests solo with pretty much any class I'd say :P |
| 21:23.30 | olafski | let alone any DK spec |
| 21:23.38 | DWSR | olafski: Not a priest. |
| 21:23.44 | olafski | mm no probably not |
| 21:23.51 | DWSR | olafski: also, probably not a rogue or a warrior. |
| 21:24.05 | olafski | prot warrior can I bet |
| 21:24.16 | DWSR | Meh, maybe. |
| 21:24.21 | DWSR | though, tbh, I doubt it. |
| 21:24.44 | olafski | I solo'd a lvl 36 quest on my lvl 28 warrior ;-) |
| 21:24.50 | DWSR | yeah, but so? |
| 21:24.57 | olafski | killing mobs 8 levels above is really boring though =( |
| 21:25.06 | DWSR | I solo'ed instances on my DK. |
| 21:25.07 | olafski | miss miss dodge parry hit miss dodge |
| 21:25.11 | DWSR | olafski: Yeah. |
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| 21:25.20 | DWSR | That's what leveling a tank is like though. |
| 21:25.29 | DWSR | You can't kill anything, just that nothing can kill you either. |
| 21:25.33 | olafski | yep :P |
| 21:25.37 | olafski | I level in dungeons mainly |
| 21:25.41 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 21:25.43 | olafski | but this quest had a good reward for me so I did it |
| 21:25.43 | DWSR | That's what I did. |
| 21:25.50 | olafski | couldn't find proper shoulders anywhere else |
| 21:25.53 | DWSR | I just started leveling dungeons as soon as I hit NR. |
| 21:25.57 | DWSR | olafski: BoA nukka. |
| 21:26.06 | DWSR | can't pass up that bonus XP |
| 21:26.08 | olafski | this warrior is my highest char on this realm |
| 21:26.16 | olafski | just dinged 31 |
| 21:26.24 | DWSR | ah |
| 21:26.29 | olafski | so until they enable cross-realm mailing.. no dice :) |
| 21:26.29 | DWSR | That's awful. |
| 21:26.34 | olafski | it's refreshing |
| 21:26.51 | olafski | when leveling my full-heirloom chars there's hardly anything to be had from dungeons.. at least now I can use some of the drops :P |
| 21:27.56 | DWSR | I can use a lot of the drops |
| 21:28.38 | DWSR | Though, to be fair, the only toon I really leveled with LFD was my DK |
| 21:28.45 | DWSR | And that only had the shoulders/chest and a trinket. |
| 21:28.54 | DWSR | Since you can't runeforge a BoA weapon (which is stupid, imo) |
| 21:29.05 | Fisker | i'll blow you up olafski |
| 21:29.10 | Fisker | with b3 |
| 21:29.14 | Fisker | or maybe even c4 |
| 21:29.28 | olafski | yeah, no runeforging is annoying |
| 21:29.38 | Kraps | wow Fisker, you're a buzzkill |
| 21:29.55 | Fisker | I'm Sir Buzz Killington? |
| 21:29.56 | DWSR | The runeforge procs make up for the fact that the stats aren't what you want on the non-BoA weap |
| 21:30.03 | olafski | I have shoulder, chest, two trinkets, weapons for all classes.. and ranged for some classes too :) |
| 21:30.37 | olafski | shaman, warlock and rogue to level on my main server but I missed the looks of orcs so I rolled an orc |
| 21:30.50 | olafski | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Warriorski ;-) |
| 21:31.03 | ZorbaTHut | I'm leveling my DK as a tank, with leather shoulders and chest, because I had them around :D |
| 21:31.11 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Meh. |
| 21:31.11 | olafski | :) |
| 21:31.17 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: It doesn't matter until you hit NR anyway. |
| 21:31.33 | ZorbaTHut | it does somewhat matter, that is a significant chunk of extra damage I'm taking |
| 21:31.34 | olafski | doesn't really matter either way tbh |
| 21:31.38 | DWSR | win weapon Olafski |
| 21:31.43 | olafski | yeah I like it |
| 21:31.51 | ZorbaTHut | though I'm specced for tank which overcomes it. I have had a few situations where, if I wasn't specced for tank, I probably would have been killed. |
| 21:31.59 | olafski | also win shield enchant, some random dude gave it to me when I was standing next to him on the boat :) |
| 21:32.05 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, but everything non WotLK has been so nerfed anyway, and the fact that you're tank spec is pretty big. |
| 21:32.17 | DWSR | 7 stam & lvl30 is so OP |
| 21:32.21 | olafski | yep |
| 21:32.28 | olafski | I guess SM armory and cathedral will be nice for me |
| 21:32.35 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:32.37 | olafski | mostly cathedral, nice shiedl |
| 21:32.39 | olafski | shield* :( |
| 21:33.00 | DWSR | I picked up the Saronite Gargoyle Cloak last night. :) |
| 21:33.06 | DWSR | I was so happy when I won it too. |
| 21:33.10 | DWSR | I lied and told my RL it was MS. |
| 21:33.13 | DWSR | (pft). |
| 21:33.16 | olafski | nice :P |
| 21:33.22 | DWSR | I was like LOLRP |
| 21:33.26 | DWSR | No one else wanted it anyway. |
| 21:33.28 | Fisker | trolls ZorbaTHut |
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| 21:34.35 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50801 <-- 3x 20str or go for the socket bonus? |
| 21:34.50 | DWSR | Crit is my second highest DPS stat, after all. |
| 21:34.56 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, you tell me. what stats do you get in either case? |
| 21:35.16 | DWSR | Gah, MATH? |
| 21:35.18 | DWSR | Fuck that shit. :P |
| 21:36.02 | ZorbaTHut | sucks to be you, then :P |
| 21:36.27 | DWSR | I get 60str or 38str + 20 crit (since stam isn't a DPS stat) |
| 21:36.27 | Shirik | math is the basis upon which everything is formed |
| 21:36.33 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 21:36.34 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 21:36.39 | Shirik | see |
| 21:36.46 | Shirik | you couldn't have typed ~failrik without math |
| 21:36.53 | ZorbaTHut | alright. now, let's pretend for a second that crit is actually as good as str |
| 21:36.54 | ZorbaTHut | it isn't |
| 21:36.56 | ZorbaTHut | but let's pretend |
| 21:36.59 | Shirik | in fact your entire decision process to TYPE ~failrik was based on math |
| 21:37.05 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, I see your point. |
| 21:37.07 | DWSR | Shirik: You are nothing. |
| 21:37.10 | ZorbaTHut | so we get to compare 60str to . . . 58str! :D |
| 21:37.18 | Shirik | nothing is a mathematical constant |
| 21:37.24 | DWSR | You're right. |
| 21:37.28 | Shirik | you also have just made an equality assertion |
| 21:37.34 | Shirik | another mathematical construct |
| 21:37.36 | Shirik | ! |
| 21:37.38 | DWSR | And scucessfully trolled you at the same time. |
| 21:37.46 | DWSR | scuc/succ/ |
| 21:37.47 | Shirik | lies |
| 21:38.06 | Shirik | troll vs troll, who wins? |
| 21:38.09 | Shirik | Fisker probably |
| 21:38.28 | Kraps | i need 2 1handers first |
| 21:39.37 | foxlit | Hey, Shirik, why do we keep hearing news of your defeats in SC2? |
| 21:39.43 | Shirik | defeats? |
| 21:39.48 | Shirik | I just won like 8 matches in a row |
| 21:40.02 | DWSR | lies Shirik |
| 21:40.15 | DWSR | Kraps: Meh, you can 2H Frost. |
| 21:40.17 | foxlit | "Super awesome totally not vs AI" league? |
| 21:40.36 | Kraps | DWSR: dw sounds coller |
| 21:40.40 | DWSR | It is. |
| 21:40.40 | Kraps | cooler* |
| 21:40.43 | DWSR | Significantly cooler. |
| 21:40.47 | Shirik | foxlit... yes... |
| 21:40.50 | olafski | I'm doing 2h frost :D |
| 21:41.03 | DWSR | It's like the difference between fucking Liara in ME1 and fucking Miranda in ME2. |
| 21:41.13 | Kraps | wow |
| 21:41.21 | Kraps | mulls |
| 21:41.23 | DWSR | Both are kinda neat, but one's bonerific. |
| 21:41.48 | olafski | I'm kind of glad I have no idea who those two people are :P |
| 21:42.08 | ZorbaTHut | is not convinced that you can realistically do 2h frost :P |
| 21:42.20 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You can. |
| 21:42.36 | Cide | WTF SHIRIK |
| 21:42.37 | DWSR | there's nothing in Frost, save a few talents, that pidgeonhole you into Frost. |
| 21:42.39 | Cide | have you abandoned me? |
| 21:42.44 | DWSR | And you can skip around those talents. |
| 21:42.45 | olafski | depends on the circumstances I'd say.. I had access to a 251 2h.. I'd prefer that over 2x 232 1h |
| 21:42.45 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:42.49 | ZorbaTHut | and still have the same practical DPS as Blood? |
| 21:42.49 | Shirik | what do you mean Cide? |
| 21:42.52 | Cide | <Shirik> I just won like 8 matches in a row |
| 21:42.54 | foxlit | wru, online battle.net profiles? |
| 21:42.57 | Shirik | ... yesterday? |
| 21:43.00 | Cide | oh |
| 21:43.03 | Cide | yesterday != just |
| 21:43.06 | olafski | oh I was talking about tanking zorbathut |
| 21:43.06 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, sure, but the discussion isn't necessarily between 2h Frost and DW Frost |
| 21:43.13 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I was talking about tanking. |
| 21:43.13 | ZorbaTHut | it's between 2h Frost and 2h Blood |
| 21:43.19 | Cide | I thought you left me for a pro |
| 21:43.21 | ZorbaTHut | okay, have the same threat as blood, then :) |
| 21:43.29 | olafski | blood tanking is probably better if you want 2h |
| 21:43.31 | Shirik | nobody is as pro as me, it would be an endless adventure |
| 21:43.31 | olafski | but I like frost |
| 21:43.37 | Shirik | anyway let's go cide |
| 21:43.43 | DWSR | Meh, Frost > Blood, imo. |
| 21:43.46 | Shirik | tem|afk got into platinum |
| 21:43.49 | Shirik | we must reach him there |
| 21:43.52 | DWSR | Until you pick up your 4pT10. |
| 21:44.04 | Shirik | (and now he's getting slaughtered, lol) |
| 21:44.15 | Kraps | this is pretty fail http://www.wowpopular.com/Death+Knight/Frost |
| 21:44.21 | Fisker | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:44.23 | Kraps | no dw spec |
| 21:44.24 | Fisker | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:44.29 | Fisker | damnit Kraps |
| 21:44.32 | Fisker | stop being a jerk |
| 21:44.48 | Kraps | takes one to know one |
| 21:44.51 | Cide | oh snap |
| 21:44.53 | Cide | okay Shirik |
| 21:45.18 | olafski | zorbathut: oh, also, I don't raid.. frost has much better snap aoe threat than blood, that speaks in its favor for heroics |
| 21:45.34 | ZorbaTHut | *nods* fair 'nuff |
| 21:47.02 | foxlit | Kraps: I think their data is ancient |
| 21:47.04 | olafski | I guess you could also argue that with my current gear I could spend my talents randomly (or not at all) and still tank heroics :P |
| 21:47.19 | ZorbaTHut | probably true, yes ;) |
| 21:47.30 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0xZhxe0A0I0f0coZ0x gets you to 58 and looks pretty decent |
| 21:49.05 | Kraps | foxlit: i use them mostly for glyphs and gems |
| 21:49.49 | olafski | should then get to honored with honor hold / thrallmar for some nice onehanders :) |
| 21:49.59 | olafski | or buy something boe on the AH / from a heirloom vendor |
| 21:50.47 | ZorbaTHut | there we go, found it. http://cams.pavlovian.net/tdu/274a7409d5135323c0ba82ebe819d7cec1807389.jpg |
| 21:50.53 | ZorbaTHut | heroics: not actually all that hard |
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| 21:52.23 | olafski | hehe |
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| 21:53.10 | Cidwel | hallow |
| 21:53.17 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi |
| 21:55.24 | Kraps | oh i didnt know that frost strike uses runic power |
| 21:55.56 | Cloudwolf | grrrrr htis is annoying me now |
| 21:56.09 | Cloudwolf | a table i knwo isn't nil is coming up nil |
| 21:56.25 | zenzelezz | then you know wrong |
| 21:56.31 | Cidwel | cloudwolf, are you asking to a local table? |
| 21:56.52 | Cloudwolf | its a global saved variable |
| 21:57.13 | Cidwel | it really have no sense |
| 21:57.39 | Cloudwolf | ive even checked the saved info on it in the savedvariables folder and the table isn'tnil |
| 21:58.15 | Cloudwolf | but some how when im trying to loo through it later its coming up with bad argument #1 to pairs talbe expected gotnil.... |
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| 21:58.40 | Cloudwolf | where is it going nil!.... |
| 21:58.43 | kneeki | Hi all |
| 21:58.51 | Cloudwolf | hello |
| 21:59.10 | kneeki | Is there a variable for every spell in the game with it's text localized? Or is that info pulled from the server each time? |
| 21:59.42 | kneeki | by text i mean tooltip text |
| 22:00.19 | DWSR | neither. |
| 22:00.22 | DWSR | It depends on the client. |
| 22:00.57 | kneeki | Hrm, Well... I just want to change the name of the spell, as well as it's description. I don't need to edit the cooldown info, rank, or mana cost at all |
| 22:01.13 | DWSR | Use spellIDs. |
| 22:01.22 | Cloudwolf | could osme one tell me if they see why im getting on line 15 a table as being nil? |
| 22:01.23 | Cloudwolf | http://www.pastey.net/134186 |
| 22:01.36 | DWSR | kneeki: You just want to use SpellIDs. |
| 22:01.41 | DWSR | GetSpellName, or something similar. |
| 22:02.39 | kneeki | DWSR: I want to change the tooltip text of it though, is that still what I'd be using? |
| 22:02.44 | olafski | cloudwolf: cmdlistinf is declared in another function? :s |
| 22:02.56 | Cloudwolf | but its not a local variable olafski |
| 22:03.03 | DWSR | kneeki: You can get the info of a spell from the ID |
| 22:03.04 | olafski | it's local to that function |
| 22:03.05 | Cloudwolf | nowhere in it did i give it a local declaration |
| 22:03.16 | Cloudwolf | ive done this same set up styel in other addons |
| 22:03.19 | Cloudwolf | and it works just fine |
| 22:03.26 | olafski | apparently you did something differently :P |
| 22:03.31 | kneeki | Cloudwolf: Are you sure it's not actually nil? |
| 22:04.14 | olafski | you're declaring cmdlistinf in the regvars() function.. if the variable wasn't declared before that it'll be local to the regvars() function I would assume |
| 22:04.18 | Cloudwolf | it is infact not nil |
| 22:04.23 | Cloudwolf | i just did a print of hte table and its not nil |
| 22:04.37 | kneeki | DWSR: oohhh, i see what your saying. I isntead of doing math/stuff i can just pull the info of the max rank spell using that API, then to assign the text info on the tooltip, i just put it in by hand? |
| 22:04.44 | Cloudwolf | its a globla olafski |
| 22:04.47 | Cloudwolf | i can print it by its name ingame |
| 22:05.09 | Cloudwolf | its also a saved variable |
| 22:05.14 | olafski | hm |
| 22:05.18 | olafski | then I don't know :P |
| 22:05.18 | DWSR | kneeki: uhuh |
| 22:05.22 | foxlit | bgframe:SetScript("OnEvent",analyzeevent()) |
| 22:05.26 | DWSR | GetSpellInfo, I think it what you want. |
| 22:05.30 | DWSR | !api GetSpellInfo |
| 22:05.31 | lua_bot | GetSpellInfo: Returns information about a spell (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetSpellInfo) |
| 22:05.33 | foxlit | aka "Oh noes what am I doing?" |
| 22:05.34 | Cloudwolf | only thingi cna think of is analyzeevent is being called too soon |
| 22:06.05 | foxlit | It's the :SetScript line above |
| 22:06.12 | foxlit | It doesn't do what you'd think it does. |
| 22:06.22 | foxlit | Unless you're Shirik. Shirik sees all. |
| 22:06.36 | Cloudwolf | then foxlit tell me how to fix it because i don't see whats wrong with it |
| 22:06.49 | foxlit | festergut |
| 22:06.53 | Kalroth | puts his undies back on with a shameful expression on his face. |
| 22:06.55 | Kalroth | Shirik: Sorry! |
| 22:07.47 | Lopeppeppy | Get a room... |
| 22:07.49 | olafski | cloudwolf: for one it seems you're calling analyzeevent() without any parameters.. but I don't really understand what's wrong here either, not that experienced :) |
| 22:09.13 | Cloudwolf | wow |
| 22:09.24 | Cloudwolf | .... why do i alwlays add the () when i call functions.... |
| 22:09.32 | kneeki | DWSR: Well, that worked wonderfully! Unfortunatly, if the spell is on cooldown, my OnUpdate code is causing the tooltip to flicker, since there is a timer on the default tooltip (this is for death coil) |
| 22:09.38 | olafski | when calling functions, () is pretty important I'd say |
| 22:09.45 | olafski | but you're giving a reference to a function here |
| 22:10.05 | eidolarr | you want no parens for setscript |
| 22:10.16 | eidolarr | () calls the function and passes its return value |
| 22:10.23 | eidolarr | without parens is the function itself |
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| 22:11.52 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 22:12.01 | foxlit | ^ That's it |
| 22:12.05 | foxlit | [We wiped at 2%] |
| 22:13.47 | olafski | oh now I understand why it's wrong too :P |
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| 22:24.28 | DWSR | what's a reasonable price for Je'Tze's Bell? |
| 22:26.09 | foxlit | Um, hm. |
| 22:26.16 | foxlit | Somewhere up to 1k? |
| 22:26.45 | DWSR | Yeah, I was thinking about htat. |
| 22:26.46 | Lopeppeppy | Jezebel. *laugh* |
| 22:26.47 | foxlit | That's not to say I know what it's worth. |
| 22:26.48 | DWSR | No takers for 1k |
| 22:26.56 | foxlit | wowhead says 500g |
| 22:27.36 | Cloudwolf | depends ifyou have a lot of pet collectors on your server |
| 22:27.45 | DWSR | It's a trinket, Cloudwolf. |
| 22:27.59 | foxlit | basically, ilvl 200 healer trinket |
| 22:28.02 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: :-o Never noticed you could read it like that |
| 22:28.02 | Cloudwolf | oh |
| 22:28.05 | Cloudwolf | im thinking of soemthing else |
| 22:28.34 | foxlit | But there are better trinkets now, so it's basically only appealing to people buying gear for their 80 twink |
| 22:28.40 | Cloudwolf | sorry i saw bell and was thinking the little raindeer pet |
| 22:37.18 | Kraps | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/03/yes-arthas-really-is-that-evil/ |
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| 22:42.34 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/14/funny-pictures-wearing-a-traffic-cone/ |
| 22:43.47 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 22:43.56 | Cidwel | i need some info in table sorting, I spent today only searching info about multidimensional table sorting in lua without any results. I have some of my work here: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/134187 ¿Someone knows a good way to sort a multidimensional array? |
| 22:44.40 | Cidwel | Per example, if I want to save an array with some raid info (the same I could get with GetRaidRosterInfo, I want to sort my array by the groupNumber per example |
| 22:45.18 | Xuerian | Cidwel: There's a multidimensional sort written by ckknight in Xloot somewhere, I'm pretty sure in the utils file. You can take a gander at that |
| 22:45.41 | Cidwel | wwow, I'll try this Xuerian :D |
| 22:46.05 | Xuerian | I can't really explain it, I'm not very good with metatables, so yeah |
| 22:46.33 | zenzelezz | metatables are so out |
| 22:46.38 | zenzelezz | what you need is quantum tables |
| 22:46.58 | Xuerian | The question isn't if it is in the array or if it isn't, it's if it is when you look. |
| 22:47.12 | Cidwel | lol |
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| 22:49.49 | Lopeppeppy | Schroedinger's array? |
| 22:50.02 | Xuerian | ~seen thrae |
| 22:50.03 | purl | thrae is currently on #waruidev (21h 57m 29s) #handhelds (21h 57m 29s) #wowhead (21h 57m 29s) #norganna (21h 57m 29s) #wowuidev (21h 57m 29s) #wowace (21h 57m 29s) #curseforge (21h 57m 29s) #wowwiki (21h 57m 29s), last said: 'Wobin: Sorry was in ICC25, failing to kill Marrowgar'. |
| 22:50.07 | Dagmar | Heisenhashen |
| 22:50.13 | Xuerian | Last said WHEN, purl. |
| 22:51.16 | Arrowmaster | Xuerian: you shouldnt need metatables for a multidimensional array sort |
| 22:51.48 | Xuerian | Arrowmaster: I just answered his question, Xloot wasn't a exercise in "Should" and "Shouldn't", more in "Where did my sanity go" |
| 22:51.48 | Kraps | wanna dance with no pants on |
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| 22:53.10 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, do whatever floats your sprockets. |
| 22:53.21 | Arrowmaster | Cidwel: what do you want sorted? your pastey doesnt make a lot of sense |
| 22:54.03 | Cidwel | whoops! okay, I try to make a metaarray that gathers info about my raid (like name, bgGroup, class etc...) |
| 22:54.22 | Cidwel | I need a way to sort that metatable by group number |
| 22:55.13 | Arrowmaster | ok but you will lose the raid[i] information because you sort it |
| 22:55.35 | Cidwel | I could simply duplicate the array |
| 22:55.37 | Kraps | i love Riptide so much i dont want to switch to my ele spec |
| 22:55.42 | Cidwel | and sort this array |
| 22:56.25 | Cidwel | create an auxiliar multiarray table like raidSorted |
| 22:58.02 | Xuerian | Cidwel: The simplest way is to keep a lookup table that you sort. If you need to sort on multiple keys, that's not as feasable. |
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| 22:59.30 | Cidwel | Xuerian, really I only need to sort the array by the group number |
| 23:00.34 | Arrowmaster | Cidwel: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/134188 |
| 23:00.50 | Arathros | is there a way to "tag" targets to ahve a multiple live target info.. like a pull of 5 mobs. get a UF with 5 bars |
| 23:01.00 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 23:01.17 | Arathros | like a 5x focus ;P |
| 23:01.18 | Xuerian | Oh right. I forgot that you don't have to perform voodoo if you don't need to sort non-integer keyed tables |
| 23:01.21 | Xuerian | lolfail |
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| 23:02.37 | Cidwel | whow Arrowmaster that did the trick! |
| 23:02.58 | Xuerian | Cidwel: yeah, the xloot sort thing totally overkill for what you needed to do, sorry for the confusion. my lua-fu is rusty |
| 23:03.29 | Arrowmaster | mine is rusty too, i had to check the manual to find the default sort operator is > |
| 23:03.31 | Cidwel | really I need something not too much complicated |
| 23:04.33 | Arathros | Arrowmaster wanna help me out poiting the way to how to make a frame clickable? lua style? ;P |
| 23:04.50 | Arrowmaster | frame:EnableMouse(true) |
| 23:04.52 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 23:04.53 | Cidwel | xmlxmlxmlxmlxmlx |
| 23:05.16 | Arathros | i dont ahve any xml ;P |
| 23:05.19 | Arathros | all lua based ;P |
| 23:05.21 | Xuerian | lrn2lua |
| 23:05.31 | Xuerian | is simpler |
| 23:05.31 | Arathros | hehe |
| 23:05.47 | Arathros | designmaking in lua is soo much easier too lok at |
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| 23:09.57 | Arathros | is enablemouse enough? |
| 23:10.14 | zenzelezz | depends what else you have done |
| 23:10.30 | zenzelezz | it's no use clicking on a frame if you haven't told WoW what to do when that happens, for example |
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| 23:11.12 | Arathros | ye so any quick guides to get an idea to right click menu? |
| 23:11.37 | zenzelezz | drop-down menus... you're in for a world of pain |
| 23:11.53 | Arathros | hehe i know ;P |
| 23:12.13 | zenzelezz | what sort of menu are you making? |
| 23:13.23 | Arathros | uf player menu |
| 23:13.33 | Arrowmaster | there is a dropdown menu guide on the wowace forums |
| 23:13.37 | Arathros | my main frame for myself atm.. so i can start hiding blizzard one... |
| 23:14.09 | zenzelezz | does your frame inherit from the secureunitbuttontemplate? Not sure if that includes any dropdown stuff, but I suspect you may need to do that anyhow |
| 23:14.24 | Arathros | btw front page warning of nvidia |
| 23:14.52 | cbreak | what's with them? |
| 23:14.53 | Arathros | fanless gfx ;P |
| 23:14.56 | Arathros | no prob for me |
| 23:15.05 | cbreak | they killed ATI and decided to double their prices to celebrate? |
| 23:15.23 | cbreak | no problem for me either. NVidia never makes new drivers for Mac OS :( |
| 23:15.29 | Arathros | lolz |
| 23:15.35 | Arathros | prob cause it's working ;P |
| 23:15.41 | cbreak | maybe. |
| 23:15.42 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Pi Day! |
| 23:15.45 | Arathros | naa the new drivers mess up fan speed while playing wow |
| 23:15.46 | cbreak | although it's fan is very quiet too |
| 23:15.53 | Xuerian | They've been burning out gpus |
| 23:15.57 | Arathros | is it pi day? |
| 23:15.58 | Xuerian | It's funy |
| 23:16.09 | Cairenn | yes |
| 23:16.19 | cbreak | wasn't that yesterday? |
| 23:16.33 | Cairenn | March 14 |
| 23:16.35 | Cairenn | 3.14 |
| 23:16.36 | cbreak | PI is 3.14.. after all, not 3.15 |
| 23:16.44 | zenzelezz | I find it annoying with stuff like Pi day |
| 23:16.47 | Cairenn | it's still the 14th in North America |
| 23:16.48 | WobWork | not even if you do it to two decimal places =P |
| 23:16.50 | cbreak | oh, right, you're in a slow time zone :) |
| 23:16.51 | zenzelezz | they always assume the wrong date format |
| 23:16.56 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 23:17.15 | cbreak | zenzelezz: wrong? |
| 23:17.16 | foxlit | Besides, wouldn't they write 3/14? |
| 23:17.22 | Arathros | zenzelezz my frame doesnt inherit anything btw ;P |
| 23:17.23 | WobWork | 14/3/2010 |
| 23:17.26 | cbreak | today is 2010.03.15 |
| 23:17.32 | foxlit | 14.3.2010 |
| 23:17.32 | WobWork | or, 2010.3.14 |
| 23:17.34 | Cairenn | I actually write it 14 March 2010, so :p |
| 23:17.40 | cbreak | now is 2010.03.15 00:17:40 |
| 23:17.49 | cbreak | that's how I write dates IRL to |
| 23:17.50 | WobWork | Cairenn: it doesn't even work that way, though =P |
| 23:17.54 | zenzelezz | so Cairenn at least is a decent Canadianian |
| 23:17.59 | cbreak | my coworkers always found it funny... :( |
| 23:18.03 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:18.11 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, that's how I do it also |
| 23:18.16 | ZorbaTHut | it sorts properly that way :D |
| 23:18.17 | cbreak | they just don't care about ISO standards. |
| 23:18.47 | cbreak | it might iritate them with 2 digit year. |
| 23:18.50 | cbreak | 10.03.14 |
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| 23:19.35 | zenzelezz | two-digits years? Did people not learn from the Y2K craze? |
| 23:19.38 | foxlit | 10.03.11 << could be anything! |
| 23:19.48 | Arathros | ye |
| 23:20.02 | Dagmar | People don't learn from the mistakes of _yesterday_ |
| 23:20.06 | Arathros | well 2 digit years arent a problem yet ;P |
| 23:20.10 | cbreak | I stopped using two digit years sometimes in the last century... :/ |
| 23:20.12 | Dagmar | Why do you think they'd learn from ten years ago |
| 23:20.19 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: truth |
| 23:20.39 | Arathros | but its the is it year month day or day month year or something screwed up ;P |
| 23:21.43 | cbreak | Big endian FTW! |
| 23:21.47 | Arathros | Arrowmaster isnt that guide to use with a wowace addon? or is that standard built in? |
| 23:21.57 | Arrowmaster | standard |
| 23:22.05 | Arathros | oh built in? |
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| 23:33.59 | Arathros | hmm gonna make a static dropout frame |
| 23:34.18 | Arathros | click the title area... static frame.. |
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