| 00:00.21 | WobWork | Thrae: how do you mean? |
| 00:00.30 | Thrae | Or "blocking waits" |
| 00:02.00 | Kraps | AC2, y/n |
| 00:02.31 | WobWork | Thrae: what doesn't work |
| 00:02.36 | WobWork | server hardware transfer? |
| 00:03.14 | Kraps | wtf http://notalwaysright.com/scratching-is-believing/4624 |
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| 00:04.33 | Thrae | WobWork: Mmmm well I always thought that the database code in WoW were a bit un-optimized from the start, and they had to use that core again and again with each expansion. No MMORPG except maybe EVE has a good database solution, although newer ones have better, and WoW *is* getting better. |
| 00:04.37 | Fisker | i like you Kraps |
| 00:05.20 | Kraps | thatnks? |
| 00:06.19 | Thrae | WobWork: But I'm not saying, "wtf blizzard codez betterz", they were in shakey grounds to begin with on WoW dev. and I think that's very important to remember. This all could have very, very easily turned out much, much worse. And we probably wouldn't be playing it then ;) |
| 00:08.19 | Dagmar | Of course htey were also working in hereforeto nearly unknown levels of scale |
| 00:09.51 | Thrae | Dagmar: Yeah I bet they were damn surprised it boomed as big as it did (well, most of them), considering MMORPG's track record. One can see how there were going EQ Hardcore at first until they quickly (and quite genius-ly) found the casual side of MMORPGs that really hadn't existed before |
| 00:10.27 | airtonix | you could just play chess |
| 00:10.38 | airtonix | its always an option |
| 00:10.58 | Dagmar | Uh it actually _had_ existed before |
| 00:11.06 | airtonix | failing that you still have knifey knifey sppon |
| 00:11.22 | Dagmar | EQ just tried to beat it to death because they stupidly listened to the "hardcore" players at all times |
| 00:11.28 | Thrae | Dagmar: I don't like how they've taken the EQ Hardcore formula and put it down to just Tank/Healer/DPS/DPS/DPS, but I don't blame them. It's a pretty recent addition anyway. BC had "harder" instances (ones that required more, y'know, strategizing) |
| 00:11.52 | Dagmar | Thrae: Let's kill some kids then |
| 00:11.57 | Thrae | Dagmar: Recent as in 3.2 where it started to get a little *too* simple |
| 00:12.13 | airtonix | Dagmar, cool i'll bring my fake ipodzunexbox |
| 00:12.16 | Thrae | Dagmar: Actually kids are more hardcore than the real casual players ;) |
| 00:12.28 | Dagmar | I personally despise the straight-out AoE fests, although I don't much care for synchronized ball-tossing either |
| 00:12.41 | Dagmar | Thrae: This is why I say let's kill some of them |
| 00:12.50 | airtonix | superglues fake ipodzunexbox to the freeway |
| 00:12.55 | Thrae | The real casual players are 9-5 workin' person who can't afford to raid much, etc. |
| 00:13.01 | Dagmar | They're the ones who always carp about everything, in particular they've got a lot of free time to complain about anything that might require actual skill |
| 00:13.13 | A-KO | Thrae: IMO the "real" casual players don't really complain about the game, because ultimately they know it's just a game. |
| 00:13.21 | Dagmar | ~A-KO++ |
| 00:13.26 | airtonix | no real casual players just play chess |
| 00:13.33 | A-KO | Go, IMO |
| 00:14.04 | Dagmar | If there was more stuff in combat that separates idiots from gamers, rather that separating kids with too much time unsupervised in front of the computer from casual gaming adults, I'd like it more |
| 00:14.29 | A-KO | Dagmar: There is? Moving out of fires has nothing to do with time spent playing the game... |
| 00:14.32 | airtonix | but you know the new world order is here and its not about fun its about control and supervision |
| 00:14.41 | WobWork | Dagmar: Pop Culture snap quizzes? =) |
| 00:14.42 | A-KO | proper targetting and chain killing has nothing to do with time spent playing the game |
| 00:14.49 | Kraps | stop having fun guys |
| 00:14.54 | Thrae | A-KO: I rarely see a "casual" suggestion in the suggestion forums, or really complaining about anything all over the forums |
| 00:14.56 | WobWork | "What is Molly Ringwald famous for?" |
| 00:15.05 | Dagmar | WobWork: I think simply asking "Who was President before Reagan" would take most of 'em out |
| 00:15.14 | WobWork | Dagmar: along with all the nonAmericans |
| 00:15.43 | Thrae | A-KO: And yeah, the "real casual players" wouldn't care about the setup because they don't play enough for it to see its repetitiveness and lack of innovative play |
| 00:15.47 | Dagmar | A-KO: Except all the ICC stuff I've seen pretty much _requires_ post-80 gear in a very unforgiving fashion |
| 00:15.47 | WobWork | "Who was Prime Minister before Bob Hawke?" |
| 00:15.56 | A-KO | Thrae: Most of the complaints are from people that are just too idiotic to play. It's not that they're casual, they just don't understand it/don't get it/it's too difficult for them. If they were truly casual about the game, they wouldn't care. The fact that they care enough to whine on the forums about it means they have more than enough time to dedicate their thoughts to their gameplay in WoW. |
| 00:15.59 | Dagmar | There's no way to "wing it" like my guild did with HoR |
| 00:16.06 | Dagmar | You either have the gear or you are screwed |
| 00:16.15 | A-KO | Dagmar: You can get enough gear for ICC from 5 mans and TOC pugs. |
| 00:16.16 | Thrae | (not that innovative=better) |
| 00:16.24 | A-KO | People requiring higher GS does not mean the game is screwed up |
| 00:16.40 | Dagmar | A-Ko: Been there, done that, excepting ToC pugs are far from casual things on my server |
| 00:16.52 | A-KO | a TOC pug can take maybe 2 hours to play |
| 00:16.53 | A-KO | that's pretty casual |
| 00:16.54 | Dagmar | My guild skipped bothering with ToC |
| 00:16.55 | A-KO | and that's tops |
| 00:17.07 | A-KO | a good guild can clear TOC25 normal in 30-40 minutes, easily. |
| 00:17.11 | A-KO | and that's including all the RP |
| 00:17.19 | A-KO | less than watching a TV sitcom |
| 00:17.19 | Dagmar | We managed to drop that orc in ICC and got no further, because of gear |
| 00:17.25 | Thrae | A-KO: My mother is a true casual player, as a Mage, and just recently I had her take her dual-spec she already had and do Frost/Arcane. Her main-spec is technically Frost, but we all know how that goes for DPS... |
| 00:17.32 | A-KO | lol Thrae |
| 00:17.32 | Kraps | hey shammys, i just lava burst, whats my rotation? |
| 00:17.46 | WobWork | reburst on cooldown |
| 00:18.03 | WobWork | while flame shock is stil up |
| 00:18.07 | Kraps | and LB otherwise |
| 00:18.24 | Kraps | i always have FS up |
| 00:18.26 | WobWork | or CL for aoe |
| 00:18.29 | Dagmar | There's no kiting anymore |
| 00:18.39 | Dagmar | ...and most "trash" mobs will clean your clock for even trying |
| 00:18.40 | A-KO | Dagmar: Players forcing others to have a high GS and link achievements isn't a result of the game. From a gear standpoint with something like TOC, you really don't need a lot. THe reason why ICC has a higher gear requirement than previous is because it's also the last raid until Cataclysm. Think about that for a minute, the last raid until the next expanion's release that hasn't even hit beta. |
| 00:18.53 | A-KO | There's more than enough time to get enoug hgear, combined with the zone buff in ICC, to clear it |
| 00:18.55 | A-KO | even if you're casual. |
| 00:19.12 | Dagmar | A-KO: It acutally _is_ a result of the game. The instances are too gear-dependent and less demanding of player skill |
| 00:19.17 | A-KO | negative |
| 00:19.17 | Thrae | WobWork: Oh yeah you play a Druid w/ Macros. Do you have a Maul+Mangle+FF macro, or just Maul+Mangle? |
| 00:19.26 | Jerub | and icc is getting progressively easier |
| 00:19.26 | WobWork | maul+mangle |
| 00:19.29 | Jerub | hellscreams warsong |
| 00:19.34 | WobWork | I mash FF when it's cooled down |
| 00:19.43 | Jerub | my bear has 300 hp short of 60k |
| 00:19.45 | WobWork | and only really if there are threatcapped dps |
| 00:19.57 | Dagmar | That Naxx fight with the zombie chow... Now _that_ required some skill |
| 00:20.02 | Thrae | WobWork: Well it technically does damage too and it's good for holding threat all-around |
| 00:20.05 | WobWork | Dagmar: old Naxx? |
| 00:20.07 | Dagmar | You could either do the dance or you couldn't. |
| 00:20.18 | A-KO | Dagmar: ICC25 only needs 245 gear for the easily earlier levels. The 10 man only needs 232 gear. By running dailies and heroics you should be able to pick up not only a full set of 232 tier 9, but some 245 items and even 264 items. |
| 00:20.29 | Jerub | Thrae: i have mangle, fff, lacerate and swipe all macroed to /cast !Maul too |
| 00:20.39 | Dagmar | You could, of course, outgear it to make it easier if you suck, but you could get through it without having to wear anything all that special |
| 00:20.47 | A-KO | Dagmar: The zone-wide buff in ICC25 makes it even easier, 5% across the board to healing and DPS--all of which reduces the gear requirement for the zone. |
| 00:20.55 | Thrae | Man my Mom is on my ass (no innuendo intended) to go play WoW right now since I'm a Tank/Healer machocist |
| 00:21.00 | Dagmar | A-KO: Good luck getting into a PUG on the basis of that gear |
| 00:21.01 | A-KO | Players asking for 5500+ GS is not a result of the game, but the fact that they want it to be eaiser because they have no idea if you're retarded or not. |
| 00:21.08 | Thrae | s/macochist/masochist |
| 00:21.09 | A-KO | Dagmar: What a PUG decides is not how the game goes |
| 00:21.11 | WobWork | I used to have a modifier to not cast Maul for rage conservation |
| 00:21.15 | WobWork | but I don't seem to need it anymore |
| 00:21.28 | WobWork | I just sit down mid combat |
| 00:21.32 | WobWork | or powershift |
| 00:21.34 | A-KO | By design, it is nothing like it used to be way back in the day. You would have gateway bosses that would lock your raid out until you collected enough gear from earlier bosses to down that boss. |
| 00:21.35 | Dagmar | A-Ko: I've already exhausted all the badged gear options, full epic gems and so on, and I am still considered _undergeared_ |
| 00:21.35 | Jerub | WobWork: yeah, i basically have infinite rage unless i have a dk who pops army before a fight |
| 00:21.39 | Thrae | WobWork: Yeah, that went away for me when I took off Enrage from my macros (used to abuse /castrandom) |
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| 00:22.02 | WobWork | Jerub: I just sit back out of Dragonbreath/tail range and wait til they're dead =P |
| 00:22.03 | Dagmar | A-ko: Bullshit. These are *not* single player instances. What a PUG decides is _by defintition_ how the game goes |
| 00:22.23 | Dagmar | If you don't know anyone and your gear isn't nearly BiS, you don't get into PUGs |
| 00:22.25 | A-KO | Dagmar: What I'm trying to say is, players asking for a high GS is not in line with what the game is designed for. They, like you, just don't do enough theory crafting. But the reality of the situation is they also don't know you. They don't know if you know the fight, if your internet sucks, etc. Gear makes up for retardedness to an extent. |
| 00:22.35 | A-KO | Don't pug |
| 00:22.37 | A-KO | play with a 10 man group |
| 00:22.41 | A-KO | and extend your dungeon timers |
| 00:22.42 | Dagmar | A-KO: Doesn't matter what it was designed for. This is how it's being played now |
| 00:22.51 | A-KO | why not have fun doing the 10 man dungeons with a core group and extend the timer as you work on bosses? |
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| 00:23.05 | Dagmar | A-Ko: Because there's like seven people in my guild, for one thing |
| 00:23.12 | A-KO | Recruit 3 more? It is an MMORPG |
| 00:23.23 | A-KO | Be up front with the guild's reality and its expectations with people. |
| 00:23.26 | Dagmar | When, exactly, would we raid? |
| 00:23.32 | A-KO | Find other "casual" players, raid on a Sunday or Saturday when you all ahve time. |
| 00:23.36 | Dagmar | Acutally, screw it |
| 00:23.38 | A-KO | extend the timer to the next weeks |
| 00:23.39 | Dagmar | You're wasting your breath |
| 00:23.50 | Dagmar | IF what you suggest were possible, man, I would have already been doing it. |
| 00:23.54 | A-KO | It is possible |
| 00:23.57 | A-KO | because my EU guild does it |
| 00:24.01 | A-KO | (I raid both EU and US) |
| 00:24.07 | Dagmar | Well, maybe I'll move to EU then |
| 00:24.13 | WobWork | A-KO is a casual player =P |
| 00:24.16 | A-KO | In fact, hell, they're raiding Ulduar right now--just having fun with each other. |
| 00:24.21 | Dagmar | My work schedule completely blows away any _regular_ raiding spot |
| 00:24.22 | Thrae | My guild raids Wednesday / Saturday and all in-between while locked out but not complete |
| 00:24.23 | A-KO | actually WobWork I've taken a break for 2 weeks to beat FF13 :P |
| 00:24.31 | Dagmar | So your talk about getting with a 10 man group fails |
| 00:24.40 | Dagmar | The PUGs are fatally broken due to elitism |
| 00:24.50 | A-KO | Dagmar: Then maybe WoW isn't the type of game for you? I mean, the gaming industry is billions of dollars strong. I'm sure you can find osmething to fit your schedule and time. |
| 00:24.57 | A-KO | Those pugs aren't even elitist |
| 00:25.00 | Jerub | i've got a friend who is getting a group to gether this week to try and full clear uld10 |
| 00:25.01 | A-KO | they're not even close to elitist |
| 00:25.15 | Thrae | Random Note, RankWatch -- very cool addon, if you like to help others |
| 00:25.19 | Dagmar | ...and it's because the instances have a much different skill requirements than gear requirements |
| 00:25.32 | Jerub | Dagmar: your server sucks. i refuse to give GS or achievements and simply ask for raiding slots in pugs. it works >50% of the time. |
| 00:25.36 | Dagmar | 25-man groups finish all the time based on at least half the people are smart enough to get out of the fire |
| 00:25.41 | A-KO | Jerub: same |
| 00:25.49 | A-KO | Jerub: then again, my GS is 5786 :P |
| 00:25.54 | Dagmar | All they have to do is be wearing epics and click |
| 00:25.55 | A-KO | I just tell people "far more than what you're looking for" |
| 00:26.08 | A-KO | usually gets me in |
| 00:26.17 | A-KO | I save the world of logs stuff for getting into guilds |
| 00:26.17 | Dagmar | A-KO: You can't comment on my situation then |
| 00:26.23 | Dagmar | You're wearing WAY better gear than you think |
| 00:26.42 | Dagmar | If you are wearing 5700 then I know you're geared more than probably 90% of the people on my server |
| 00:26.45 | Dagmar | Just for starters |
| 00:27.00 | A-KO | Dagmar: I can comment, because the reality is I've been in your situation. In fact, most truly "hardcore" players, we're talking people that play the game for years on end that raid hardcore, do take breaks. They do go to "friends" status, and they do play casually. Sometimes not at all. Sometimes quit for the next expansion and so forth. |
| 00:27.02 | Jerub | Dagmar: i've been using this tactic since toc10 was a hard raid and i was in crafted ilvl200 crap |
| 00:27.09 | Dagmar | People top out on badges at about 4000 |
| 00:27.21 | A-KO | uuuhm |
| 00:27.23 | A-KO | no they dont |
| 00:27.27 | Jerub | Dagmar: really? badges + icc5mans is about 4950 |
| 00:27.27 | A-KO | my BOOMKIN gear is 5300 |
| 00:27.40 | Dagmar | sorry typo there |
| 00:27.55 | Jerub | Dagmar: a mage in my guild hit 5kgs in less than a week of running heroics. |
| 00:28.01 | Dagmar | My hunter is sitting at that point, it's the damn DK that's at 3900 and I'm having trouble finding reason to bother |
| 00:28.14 | Dagmar | ...because I know that should I finish up on those badges, it'll be the same story |
| 00:28.34 | Dagmar | Retarded teenagers accusing each other of being gay, and demanding gear that would make the instance trivial |
| 00:28.58 | A-KO | Dagmar: If you can't commit to at least some sort of routine time for raiding then maybe WoW isn't for you, at least, not the raiding part of it. There's nothing wrong with that, but to assume the whole game needs to change to accomodate your needs is a bit of a stretch. Tivo your favorite TV shows and raid instead? |
| 00:28.58 | Jerub | Dagmar: world of warcraft just isn't fun for you, is it? |
| 00:29.07 | Dagmar | A-KO: AHA there we have it |
| 00:29.10 | WobWork | personally I like running pugs with relatively undergeared tanks |
| 00:29.13 | Jerub | If i have a bad group i just say, "i don't have time for this" and toonswap |
| 00:29.17 | WobWork | cause 1) it gives me something to heal |
| 00:29.18 | A-KO | Jerub: I just quit out |
| 00:29.24 | Dagmar | A-KO: That right there is why it's not casual friendly in the least |
| 00:29.24 | WobWork | and 2) it's helping someone gear up to tank |
| 00:29.32 | Dagmar | You shoudn't have to block out part of your schedule to play a game |
| 00:29.37 | Jerub | A-KO: yeah, i've been jumping into sc2 instead a bit :P |
| 00:29.42 | Dagmar | It has nothing to do with skill, and everything to do with the state of your personal life |
| 00:29.43 | A-KO | Dagmar: Why not? If the game requires it? What's wrong with that? |
| 00:29.48 | A-KO | Then don't play? |
| 00:29.50 | A-KO | it's just a video game |
| 00:29.51 | A-KO | cancel sub |
| 00:29.52 | WobWork | one of these days, I'll run the pug heroics in enh |
| 00:29.53 | A-KO | play something else |
| 00:29.59 | Jerub | Dagmar: on nothing but pugs i managed to save myself to every raid except eoe10/25 a few months ago. |
| 00:30.02 | Dagmar | A-KO: Talk to any person who played classic EQ as a cleric and did the epic quests |
| 00:30.13 | Jerub | Dagmar: and that was in very substandard gear before i learned to play properly. |
| 00:30.18 | Dagmar | It leads to shit like having someone sit in a cave by thmselves for 24 hours with nothing but guild chat to keep them from madness |
| 00:30.33 | Gnarfoz | protip |
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| 00:30.37 | Gnarfoz | addiction |
| 00:30.43 | Dagmar | Jerub: Not all servers are as friendly as yours then |
| 00:30.48 | Gnarfoz | cancel or get help |
| 00:31.03 | Jerub | oh, except for toc. |
| 00:31.09 | Jerub | because i sucked at toc. |
| 00:31.11 | A-KO | Dagmar: In all honesty, I've quit WoW for a few weeks. In fact, I might just quit until the expansion. Why? Personal and professional life. 6 hours of sleeping per night starts to take its toll when you work in IT and are working on a few huge million dollar projects that require you to use everything you know and then learn some more. But I don't blame the game for that, it's 100% my choice if I want to sleep for 6 hours and be drowsy the next day or quit WoW |
| 00:31.29 | A-KO | It's not the game's fault at all |
| 00:31.36 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 00:31.37 | A-KO | in fact, I am even reading the WoW: Stormrage book to keep in touch with the story |
| 00:32.00 | A-KO | When real life demands it, don't bitch, just do something about it..... |
| 00:32.10 | Dagmar | Either way, there needs to be more than requires skill, less that requires gear |
| 00:32.11 | WobWork | A-KO: you should come play EchoBazaar. It's much more casual =) |
| 00:33.16 | A-KO | WobWork: nah, If anything I'm looking to join a more hardcore guild than the one I'm in now. Largely because I'm tired of dealing with the frustrations of bad players that can't raid well. After the while, all the stress of knowing you've put your all and you spend time and effort (and brain power) to being the best at it and others don't put nowhere near that much, kind of takes its toll mentally. |
| 00:33.43 | WobWork | A-KO: EchoBazaar is a browser game, not anything WoW related =) |
| 00:33.48 | A-KO | ahh |
| 00:33.56 | Gnarfoz | A-KO: greedy goblin had a post about that situation (and the other situations you can be in, in a raid) |
| 00:33.58 | A-KO | meh, nah, working on FF13 now...still have to beat Assassin's Creed 2 :P |
| 00:34.04 | Dagmar | Frankly I woulnd't mind them stealing a few pages from DDO |
| 00:34.13 | Dagmar | There was one instance in DDO where the group is forcibly split up |
| 00:34.31 | Gnarfoz | Thorim tunnel comes to mind? |
| 00:34.31 | Dagmar | You either knew your stuff, or you failed miserably the first time at that |
| 00:34.33 | WobWork | Dagmar: people would just drop group =P |
| 00:34.41 | A-KO | Gnarfoz: Eh, it's tough, really. I mean right now I'm reading a few super large technical books to do my work projects. At some point you gotta say enough is enough, and real life > WoW :P |
| 00:34.46 | Dagmar | WobWork: I've no problem leaving the morons behind |
| 00:34.58 | Dagmar | The number of WoW kiddies who fail horribly at DDO still makes me giggle |
| 00:35.10 | Gnarfoz | A-KO: all a matter of self-control and having your priorities straight |
| 00:35.18 | A-KO | yeah Gnarfoz, unfortunately many people do not :P |
| 00:35.26 | WobWork | Dagmar: DDO is nice because you don't -need- four other people for some instances |
| 00:35.43 | Dagmar | WobWork: I'd say it's nice because if you know your class, you can murder your way through those things |
| 00:35.54 | WobWork | I had fun as a Monk |
| 00:35.54 | Gnarfoz | A-KO: I'm aware, I only very recently drew appropriate consequences for myself |
| 00:35.57 | Dagmar | Solo rogue isn't about combat, it's about serial killing |
| 00:36.05 | Dagmar | Just for example |
| 00:36.11 | WobWork | Rogueing I had problems =( |
| 00:36.15 | Adys | DROP COLUMN and DROP CONSTRAINT now support an IF EXISTS clause so that users can avoid fatal errors when running repeatable scripts. |
| 00:36.16 | WobWork | I wasn't sneaky enough |
| 00:36.17 | Adys | hurrayyy |
| 00:36.22 | A-KO | Gnarfoz: I don't mind casual players, I just don't mind the whining. Most of the people that claim themselves are casual aren't really, or really don't know what it means to work hard or will even do what it takes. Their inability to do that in a video game usually reflects on their real life personalities, as well :P |
| 00:36.35 | A-KO | err I just mind the whining* |
| 00:38.11 | Gnarfoz | Adys: postgresql? reminds me of create or replace from Oracle =D |
| 00:38.20 | Dagmar | The problem there is that later rogues just turn into the guy who is hanging around until the sword-slinger in the front (Lol) says "Okay, disable this hidden trap that I know is right here next to me on the side of the column" |
| 00:38.25 | Fisker | omg Gnarfoz |
| 00:38.27 | Fisker | stop killing me |
| 00:38.28 | Adys | Gnarfoz: http://developer.postgresql.org/pgdocs/postgres/release-9-0.html |
| 00:38.28 | Fisker | blargh |
| 00:38.37 | Gnarfoz | doesn't stop |
| 00:38.37 | Dagmar | At least Turbine never nerfed out the |
| 00:38.41 | A-KO | considers these "NoSQL" projects..... |
| 00:38.42 | Dagmar | "exploits". |
| 00:39.09 | Dagmar | I'm sorry, if you can shove two guys wearing metal head to toe into a doorway, and then have a wizard or sorceror set the entire room inside on fire, that's _not_ an exploit |
| 00:39.18 | Dagmar | ...but these kids would call it that |
| 00:39.27 | A-KO | you know I don't mind the nosql stuff I just wish people weren't so evangelist about it most of the time.... |
| 00:40.33 | Adys | Add Python 3 support to PL/Python. It behaves more or less unchanged compared to Python 2, but the new language variant is called plpython3u. |
| 00:40.35 | Adys | double yay |
| 00:41.18 | Dagmar | A-Ko: Inside they're trying to make up for all those years of demanding MySQL because they were too damn lazy to deal with writing a flat-file interface for storage of data |
| 00:51.36 | Adys | Anyone has wc3 installed? |
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| 01:01.13 | Lunessa | Yo yo yo. Why aren't you out somewhere doing shots of hot chicks? |
| 01:01.32 | Lunessa | off of |
| 01:02.39 | WobWork | http://community.livejournal.com/dear_gnome/563088.html?nc=1&style=mine |
| 01:03.45 | KarlKFI | Anyone know of any javascript, java, python or php library for face recognition? |
| 01:03.50 | KarlKFI | all i can find is flash |
| 01:04.02 | A-KO | Dagmar: I like SQL, I like the idea of storage engines being separated from applications, particularly when it comes with what data you need to backup and restore, how you backup and restore it, how you replicate it, etc. It's just when you factor in the actual technical merits, it has its uses, but I don't like the crusade "OMG GET RID OF SQL IT'S TOO COMPLICATED!" |
| 01:04.10 | Shadowed | Javascript face recognition? :p |
| 01:04.23 | WobWork | Your browser is WATCHING YOU =P |
| 01:04.59 | KarlKFI | as in upload a photo, find the faces |
| 01:05.26 | Dagmar | A-KO: Like I said, the evangelists are probably trying to make up for past sins |
| 01:06.02 | Dagmar | Unfortunately, their ability to accurately pick the _correct_ solution to a given problem is still suspect. |
| 01:06.31 | WobWork | KarlKFI: I'd suggest that you need a language that can do graphic manipulation |
| 01:06.37 | WobWork | which I don't bevlieve javascript can do |
| 01:06.57 | Dagmar | Well, in theory you could generate SVG with it |
| 01:07.07 | KarlKFI | true, it prolly needs copious other libraries to make recognition possible |
| 01:07.15 | cogwheel | has a rage |
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| 01:09.48 | NightHawkTheSane | just one? |
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| 01:10.56 | WobWork | cogwheel: do you keep it in a box? |
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| 01:11.38 | cogwheel | WobWork: more like unreliable shrink-wrap |
| 01:12.48 | Fisker | btw Adys did you ever explore that client side exp you talked about? |
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| 01:16.08 | Shirik | (19:15:29) (Adys) [17:01:57] What is the most efficient way to store non-boolean values in a 32 bit integer |
| 01:16.18 | Shirik | value = 4? |
| 01:16.22 | Shirik | wtf are you asking |
| 01:20.24 | DWSR | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/23710861804-why-do-people-hate-on-experimental-specs.html <-- lol gee I wonder |
| 01:20.25 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 01:20.30 | Shirik | wikipedia db problems :( |
| 01:20.37 | Shirik | it's the end of the world |
| 01:22.41 | cogwheel | [citation needed] |
| 01:23.30 | cogwheel | I WUZ FUNEE LAUGH! |
| 01:23.37 | Shirik | <ref>{{cite web|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Shirik|accessdate=12 March 2010 0:23 PM}}</ref> |
| 01:23.58 | Shirik | "Due to high database server lag, changes newer than 1,281 seconds may not appear in this list." |
| 01:23.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:24.47 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 01:24.53 | Fisker | is it you Shirik ? |
| 01:24.58 | Shirik | no |
| 01:25.10 | Shirik | is it you Fisker? |
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| 01:26.56 | Kraps | is it butter? |
| 01:27.19 | Shirik | I can't believe it's not butter! |
| 01:28.23 | Kraps | cogwheel: you joining me? |
| 01:28.41 | Shirik | why can't I come :( |
| 01:29.13 | Kraps | cuz you're not on kirin tor |
| 01:29.33 | cogwheel | Kraps: you had other group quests? I wasn't really planning on doing "normal" questing... |
| 01:29.41 | cogwheel | (i asked but you never responded :P) |
| 01:29.54 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 01:29.54 | Kraps | oh |
| 01:29.55 | Fisker | it's not me |
| 01:29.57 | Fisker | is it you? |
| 01:30.13 | Kraps | no i dont have group quests |
| 01:30.17 | Shirik | Kraps: Actually I am |
| 01:30.23 | Shirik | Fisker: I already said no foooooo |
| 01:30.27 | cogwheel | actually, i have quite the grump and don't really feel like doing anything atm :( |
| 01:30.38 | Shirik | have the grump? |
| 01:31.16 | Kraps | Shirik: what where? |
| 01:31.27 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:31.28 | Fisker | nono Shirik |
| 01:31.36 | Fisker | am i, you? |
| 01:31.47 | Kraps | Shirik |
| 01:32.15 | Fisker | i wouldn't trust him Kraps |
| 01:32.20 | Fisker | he's not who he appears to be |
| 01:32.31 | cogwheel | mortgage company ignored me cancelling the auto-pay. We would've only been overdrawn by ~$10, but then the bank decided it was a good idea to honor another $675 worth of payments and charge us $125 in overdraft fees |
| 01:32.51 | Fisker | owned cogwheel |
| 01:32.55 | cogwheel | indeed |
| 01:33.12 | Fisker | sue |
| 01:33.12 | Fisker | and demand a refund |
| 01:33.12 | cogwheel | i think you have that backwards |
| 01:33.16 | cogwheel | you must be an american |
| 01:33.16 | Shirik | cogwheel: I once got charged nearly $500 in overdraft fees |
| 01:33.24 | Shirik | Get this |
| 01:33.31 | Shirik | My mom needed a replacement debit card |
| 01:33.37 | Fisker | what are these overdraft fees you're talking about? |
| 01:33.41 | Shirik | they gave her one, but attached it to my account instead of hers |
| 01:33.53 | Shirik | then she went on a little shopping spree before realizing it was attached to my account |
| 01:34.00 | Shirik | and I don't have quite as much money ash er |
| 01:34.14 | cogwheel | yeah, my dad did that to my sister, though he actually has both cards |
| 01:34.18 | cogwheel | (since she's a minor) |
| 01:34.34 | Shirik | the rest of that month was spent working with the bank to correct the problem |
| 01:34.47 | Shirik | they'd eliminate the overdraft fees and then it would just pop up again |
| 01:34.58 | Shirik | stupid automated systems couldn't figure out wtf was going on |
| 01:35.18 | Jerub | hehehee |
| 01:35.27 | Jerub | banks no longer surprise me |
| 01:36.11 | Fisker | i lol'd once |
| 01:36.23 | Fisker | I had transferred some cents too much because of a typo |
| 01:36.28 | Fisker | so i had put one of my accounts into negative |
| 01:36.37 | Shirik | Fisker has no cents |
| 01:36.46 | Fisker | the next day i got a letter stating they had moved it back so i wouldn't pay interests for it :o |
| 01:36.50 | Fisker | >:o |
| 01:36.57 | Fisker | i.e. the few cents |
| 01:37.01 | tem | who's in charge of Omen, these days? |
| 01:37.05 | Fisker | your mom is |
| 01:37.12 | tem | Antiarc, still you? |
| 01:37.14 | Fisker | who needs to be in charge anyway? |
| 01:37.22 | Fisker | Antiarc isn't in charge of anything |
| 01:37.26 | Fisker | not even his own future :( |
| 01:39.05 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=49495;47500;47810 <-- Which 2 weapons for a DW tank, considering that I'm capped on defense regardless of which 2 I pick. |
| 01:39.32 | Fisker | i hope you have a bright future Shirik |
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| 01:41.33 | Jerub | WobWork: hehehehe, i've managed to break echobazaar in interesting ways. |
| 01:41.42 | Jerub | i was on -1/10 actions and -3 actions for the day |
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| 01:56.48 | Hirsute | *sigh* |
| 02:00.08 | WobWork | Jerub: that happens when the ajax doesn't update in time |
| 02:00.19 | Legorol | dwsr: you can't be capped for defense because defense has no cap. at best you could be at the defense *floor* (the minimum defense needed to be uncrittable) |
| 02:00.36 | WobWork | DWSR: if you're softcapped then go for slow weapons |
| 02:00.36 | Legorol | ducks |
| 02:00.39 | Shirik | I love logging into Windows Server after a power outage |
| 02:00.47 | Shirik | "OMFG WHAT HAPPENED TELL ME NOW" |
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| 02:01.55 | DWSR | Legorol: Actually. |
| 02:02.13 | DWSR | Legorol: Technically, I should be referring to it as a soft cap. |
| 02:02.35 | DWSR | Legorol: Since the uncritable portion of defense stops at 540 |
| 02:02.42 | DWSR | Calling it a floor is inaccurate. |
| 02:02.56 | Legorol | true |
| 02:03.02 | DWSR | So, bitch plz. :P |
| 02:03.03 | Legorol | anyway, your choice is obvious: the two highest ilevel weapons |
| 02:03.27 | DWSR | the Burnish Quel'Serrar's a pretty obvious first. |
| 02:03.35 | DWSR | I was more trying to decide between the vibrator and the dildo. |
| 02:03.44 | Legorol | as for the other two, crusader's glory has lot better stat allocaiton anyway |
| 02:03.47 | DWSR | Since I don't need defense, the extra expertise would be nice. |
| 02:04.21 | Legorol | glory has armor tough |
| 02:04.22 | Legorol | *though |
| 02:04.35 | Legorol | expertise is nice, yes, but not important if your threat is fine |
| 02:04.43 | DWSR | Oh, I didn't even see that. >.< |
| 02:04.45 | Shirik | RECOVERY: Service alert: jira.shiibot.com is OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 4452 bytes in 1.270 seconds |
| 02:04.48 | Shirik | I think you are lying! |
| 02:04.49 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 02:05.03 | DWSR | I can hold threat on people doing like 7k, so meh. |
| 02:05.08 | DWSR | I'm not going to prog raid quite yet. |
| 02:05.49 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=37638;18406 <--- Which one? |
| 02:05.52 | Hirsute | Conversation in WoW a moment ago: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/134089 |
| 02:05.54 | Hirsute | shakes his head. |
| 02:06.10 | Legorol | dwsr: if you are not going to progress raid, then actually the expertise is nice :) |
| 02:06.25 | Legorol | in non-progress raid you don't have to focus on minmaxing your EH, and usually you can do more threat/damage |
| 02:06.31 | DWSR | mhm. |
| 02:06.37 | DWSR | Still, it's a vibrator. :P |
| 02:06.45 | Shirik | Hirsute: See, you need to assert yourself |
| 02:06.47 | Shirik | People in my guild |
| 02:06.52 | Legorol | yes, it's ugly, plus |
| 02:06.57 | Shirik | they know if they argue with me about the interface, they're going to lose |
| 02:06.59 | DWSR | Hirsute: Which exception are you referring to? |
| 02:07.02 | Legorol | whatever you gain from the expertise, you might actually lose on the lower dps of the weapon |
| 02:07.14 | Shirik | I am the be-all end-all compendium of knowledge of WoW interface in my guild |
| 02:07.15 | Legorol | so i'd deffo take glory |
| 02:07.28 | Legorol | Shirik: i think the vast majority of people in this channel can say that |
| 02:07.32 | Hirsute | DWSR: Cross-faction communication. As far as I'm aware, Blizz hasn't "broken" that, and they will ban people for using addons that accomplish it, if they're caught. |
| 02:07.34 | Shirik | apparently Hirsute can't! |
| 02:08.10 | Hirsute | Shirik: Actually, I was on an alt that the people in this channel didn't know was me. I'm willing to bet if I'd been on my main, there'd have been no argument. |
| 02:08.13 | Legorol | Hirsute: that's because it's basically impossible to break it |
| 02:08.20 | Hirsute | Legorol: *nod* |
| 02:08.40 | Legorol | knowing about UI saves tim! |
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| 02:08.42 | Hirsute | I'm aware. There's too manything to exploit to accomplish it. |
| 02:08.42 | Legorol | time even |
| 02:08.58 | Legorol | today, we were ready to pull, when one of the rogues goes "my combat log broke, i'll restart WoW" |
| 02:09.10 | Legorol | i stopped him right there and told him to do /script CombatLogClearEntries |
| 02:09.15 | Legorol | i saved like 5 minutes of time |
| 02:09.21 | DWSR | Legorol: 550 armor + 3025 health on use vs. 95 parry + 60 def + 89hp5. |
| 02:09.27 | Hirsute | Did he worship you for the code-god you are? |
| 02:09.34 | Legorol | DWSR: hp5 is a useless stat |
| 02:09.37 | DWSR | Legorol: Thanks, I'll have to remember that. |
| 02:09.43 | DWSR | Legorol: Yeah, but I figured I'd mention it. |
| 02:09.49 | Legorol | :) |
| 02:09.55 | DWSR | Legorol: 95 parry + 60 def vs. 550 armor +3025 health on use. |
| 02:09.57 | Legorol | is it only the Hp that's onuse? |
| 02:09.59 | Shirik | I think we all need a little love: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehu3wy4WkHs |
| 02:10.01 | Legorol | or the armor too |
| 02:10.02 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 02:10.04 | DWSR | HP only. |
| 02:10.09 | Legorol | trinket of some sort? |
| 02:10.12 | DWSR | yes. |
| 02:10.14 | DWSR | Offering of Sacrifice. |
| 02:10.17 | DWSR | ilvl200 blue. |
| 02:10.34 | Legorol | you got many triumph emblems? ;) |
| 02:10.46 | Legorol | anyhoo, the parry+def looks more appealing to me |
| 02:10.47 | DWSR | I have the EoT trink. |
| 02:10.53 | Legorol | EoT? |
| 02:10.53 | DWSR | That's in my other slot. |
| 02:10.58 | DWSR | Emblem of Triumph. |
| 02:11.03 | Legorol | aha |
| 02:11.09 | Legorol | you are referring to the Glyph of Indomitability? |
| 02:11.11 | DWSR | yeah, 1.7k armor is too sexy to pass up. :P |
| 02:11.12 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 02:11.14 | Legorol | :) |
| 02:11.25 | Legorol | take the parry+def im |
| 02:11.25 | Shirik | loooool |
| 02:11.27 | Legorol | *imo |
| 02:11.34 | DWSR | Shirik: urdoinitwront. |
| 02:11.36 | DWSR | It's |
| 02:11.36 | Shirik | Wikipedia sysadmins figured out why the database was dying |
| 02:11.40 | DWSR | LLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL |
| 02:11.49 | Shirik | Someone set up the backup process to lock all tables |
| 02:12.02 | Shirik | during the dump |
| 02:12.07 | DWSR | AHAHAHAHA |
| 02:12.15 | NightHawkTheSane | awesome |
| 02:12.17 | DWSR | ~epic fail Wikipedia sysadmins |
| 02:12.18 | purl | Wikipedia sysadmins, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Wikipedia sysadmins, you are that epic failure. |
| 02:12.21 | Hirsute | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.35 | Shirik | but, yay for distributed systems :) |
| 02:12.49 | Shirik | You could still use wikipedia while this problem was ongoing, the problem was hidden behind the scenes |
| 02:13.25 | ScytheBlade1 | awesome |
| 02:13.41 | ScytheBlade1 | teamcoco.com (Conan O' Brien) is hosted on linode |
| 02:13.47 | Shirik | o.o |
| 02:13.54 | Shirik | maybe that's why my server is so bogged down |
| 02:14.09 | ScytheBlade1 | the onion also hosts all of their DNS on linode |
| 02:14.15 | Shirik | ! |
| 02:15.27 | ScytheBlade1 | xkcd is as well |
| 02:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | well the blog |
| 02:16.48 | ScytheBlade1 | sweet, sqlite.org as well |
| 02:18.41 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. left win7 to install some stuff.. and it apears to have puked on itself. |
| 02:19.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i swear, running windows is like taking care of a 6 month old child. |
| 02:19.01 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 what are you doing |
| 02:19.09 | Shirik | just looking at random sites and seeing if they're on linode? |
| 02:19.11 | ScytheBlade1 | configuring this XP box |
| 02:19.17 | ScytheBlade1 | nah they have a thread on their forums |
| 02:19.19 | cogwheel | rofl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZigUe3_e3Cw NSFW (especially good right near the end) |
| 02:19.42 | DWSR | GAH |
| 02:19.43 | DWSR | DAGMAR |
| 02:19.46 | DWSR | I NEED AN ACAPELLA |
| 02:34.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ATtrImCx4&ttl=1 |
| 02:34.51 | ScytheBlade1 | is really neat |
| 02:36.11 | DWSR | SB1: Yeah, I was looking at that. |
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| 02:53.59 | Thrae | Any ICC Raiding Bears around? I'm trying to think what's a good ratio of Shifting to Solid. Stamina is important, but so is Agility, especially in ICC with the Dodge debuff. |
| 02:55.07 | Jerub | Thrae: stam stam stam. |
| 02:56.15 | Jerub | Thrae: i raid icc10 as bear and i just stack stam like there's no tomorrow. |
| 02:56.31 | Jerub | i use double stam trinkets too. |
| 02:56.38 | Jerub | (i use mitigation trinkets in other raids) |
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| 03:00.38 | Emzzzz | http://imggmi.info/DSC-1268362448.jpg/ do my tits look big? |
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| 03:01.26 | Zyn | they look OH GOD MY KEYS |
| 03:01.35 | Zyn | TIMBER ALL OVER THEM |
| 03:02.55 | alestane | Yeah, that's rather whiffy behavior. |
| 03:07.21 | Thunder_Child | hmm...is it genius or fail to have your email address be a combination of your name and number? |
| 03:07.37 | Hirsute | Depends on the number. |
| 03:07.52 | Thunder_Child | it's a phone number...dont have to many options |
| 03:08.10 | Thunder_Child | or do you mean for ytping it out |
| 03:08.14 | Thunder_Child | typing* |
| 03:08.48 | Thunder_Child | as it stands it is 17 char's long |
| 03:08.52 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: Didn't see the context, was just commenting out of turn. |
| 03:09.06 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute: what context? |
| 03:10.19 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: ->"hmm...is it genius or fail to have your email address be a combination of your name and number?" I didn't look to see if there was anything that specifies *which* number. I have many "numbers" that I call "my number" depending on the situation I'm in. Phone number, ID number, student number, employee number, etc. |
| 03:10.57 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute: ah, point |
| 03:13.04 | Hirsute | Or if the number was 42 |
| 03:13.09 | Hirsute | Or a hash of your vital statistics |
| 03:13.35 | Hirsute | Or your average body temperature in kelvin encoded in binary. |
| 03:14.12 | Hirsute | Anyhow, good night all. *waves* |
| 03:14.41 | Thunder_Child | Note to self: Hirsute is not allowed to answer any more of my questions |
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| 03:35.03 | Jerub | WobWork: how the heck do i get things like behemian 5? |
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| 05:59.53 | DWSR | Why do you think I rolled a DK tank and not a block tank? |
| 05:59.56 | ZorbaTHut | then this entire conversation is moot, because we're coming from an assumption of an incompetent raid :P |
| 06:00.10 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:00.29 | DWSR | So basically, what you're saying is that I'm probably better to go with the slow weapon, but it's really too close to make a significant difference either way? |
| 06:01.03 | ZorbaTHut | I mean sheesh if you're doing Naxx-10 in full 245 with a 20/20/20 build, throwing away the rest of your points, and you're beating your teammembers on DPS, then sure do whatever the fuck you want it doesn't matter. optimization only matters when you can take advantage of it |
| 06:01.13 | ZorbaTHut | no, I'm saying that you're better to go with the slow weapon. |
| 06:01.35 | ZorbaTHut | in all situations except those where the choice is irrelevant because you outgear the content, or those where you're carrying large parts of your raid. |
| 06:01.35 | DWSR | hrm, k |
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| 06:01.54 | DWSR | Any raid on my realm that I'm a part of, I have it on my back |
| 06:02.04 | DWSR | :P |
| 06:02.27 | DWSR | On a side note, did you see my DPS set? xD |
| 06:02.28 | ZorbaTHut | then get a better raiding group, 'cause even on my asstastic server I could find ten players to rock out :) |
| 06:02.52 | ZorbaTHut | nope, what is it? |
| 06:02.58 | DWSR | http://wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Emerald%20Dream&name=Arelin |
| 06:03.02 | DWSR | So much polearm fail. |
| 06:03.59 | DWSR | Fordragon blades. |
| 06:04.04 | DWSR | Can you say lolhunterweapon? |
| 06:04.04 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: why wouldn't the rogue TotT himself? |
| 06:04.13 | DWSR | WobWork: Because you can't TotT yourself? |
| 06:04.22 | WobWork | You can't? hm |
| 06:04.24 | ZorbaTHut | wob, if someone else is doing higher DPS, it'd be a better choice. Also I have no idea if you can or not |
| 06:04.32 | DWSR | Don't think so. |
| 06:04.34 | DWSR | mebbe. |
| 06:04.52 | ZorbaTHut | I mean ideally you want to TotT the dude doing the most DPS, unless he's about to pull aggro (which is a serious danger with TotT), in which case you do the guy who isn't about the pull aggro |
| 06:05.08 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: lol |
| 06:05.15 | DWSR | Threat's such a joke these days, man. |
| 06:05.21 | DWSR | I'm beat other tanks in threat who have better gear. |
| 06:05.27 | DWSR | They're like "LOLSCRUBTANK" |
| 06:05.35 | DWSR | Then I rock out and solo tank Ony10. |
| 06:05.47 | DWSR | And people go "Nice tanking......" |
| 06:05.58 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, most people are terrible |
| 06:06.17 | DWSR | I was pushing 5k on a zerg 3D run in that DPS set. |
| 06:06.22 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: you can always tott a hunter =) |
| 06:06.36 | DWSR | And someone doing 6k in 245ilvl gear said "get better gear scrub" |
| 06:06.43 | DWSR | I was like "lol, do better deeps" |
| 06:07.03 | DWSR | That raid also had a tank who was shit talking my gear and ate the flame wall 3 times. |
| 06:07.28 | DWSR | Notice I said 3 times. |
| 06:07.39 | ZorbaTHut | impressive |
| 06:07.42 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 06:07.46 | DWSR | I /golfclap'ed. |
| 06:08.03 | ZorbaTHut | yeah I had a VoA25 a while back, me DPSing on my druid |
| 06:08.11 | ZorbaTHut | we had low heals and the raid leader decided we needed another healer |
| 06:08.15 | ZorbaTHut | I volunteered 'cause I actually prefer healing |
| 06:08.19 | ZorbaTHut | "no, we need your DPS" |
| 06:08.30 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: boomkin or kitty? |
| 06:08.35 | ZorbaTHut | I check elitistgroup and the damage meters. simultaneously highest on DPS and lowest on itemlevel. |
| 06:08.44 | ZorbaTHut | In my healer gear, at that, vastly below hit cap. |
| 06:08.46 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, boomkin |
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| 06:09.11 | DWSR | people still DPS as fera? |
| 06:09.12 | DWSR | feral* |
| 06:09.18 | DWSR | I thought that was a joke spec for like heroics. |
| 06:09.32 | Jerub | so what should i be optimising for as a tank? dps or threat? |
| 06:09.39 | DWSR | Depends on your situation |
| 06:09.44 | DWSR | There's no right answer, unlike with DPS. |
| 06:09.51 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, it's actually one of the most complicated specs around |
| 06:09.51 | Jerub | DWSR: feral produces awesome dps if you're really good at the spec |
| 06:09.58 | ZorbaTHut | and is quite, quite strong if you know what you're doing |
| 06:10.05 | Jerub | it's just that every feral druid ends up tanking because it's easymode |
| 06:10.30 | ZorbaTHut | tanking basically comes down to a few somewhat complicated categories |
| 06:10.32 | Jerub | bear is 4 buttons plus ohshits. feral is 12 buttons you have to play like a concert pianist. |
| 06:10.39 | ZorbaTHut | burst, mitigation, threat, and dps |
| 06:10.40 | Jerub | not including ohshits. |
| 06:11.02 | DWSR | Jerub: Sounds like pre-3.1 Affliction warlocking,. |
| 06:11.07 | DWSR | It was like a symphony. |
| 06:11.08 | ZorbaTHut | dps is 100% irrelevant and you don't care about it. Seriously, it's unimportant. It will go up, and you will never contribute a substantial amount of DPS to any competent raid, forget about it entirely. |
| 06:11.23 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 06:11.29 | DWSR | well, it's not 100% irrelevant. |
| 06:11.35 | ZorbaTHut | Threat, on Warrior at least (and I think druid, and to a lesser extent paladin/DK) comes down to "how much expertise do you have" |
| 06:11.37 | DWSR | But it's not something you should ever even think about. |
| 06:11.49 | ZorbaTHut | if you're softcapped on expertise and not doing enough threat, it's your fault as a player |
| 06:11.52 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: For frost DKs, it's about LOL. |
| 06:12.04 | ZorbaTHut | though, honestly, you don't even have to be softcapped on expertise most of the time |
| 06:12.11 | DWSR | I'm not softcapped on Expertise. |
| 06:12.12 | ZorbaTHut | that's when everyone seriously knows what they're doing |
| 06:12.18 | DWSR | Though, that's because I'm duel wielding. |
| 06:12.21 | ZorbaTHut | and that can be accomplished through gems if you have to. |
| 06:12.22 | DWSR | s/duel/dual/ |
| 06:12.44 | ZorbaTHut | dual-wield soft expertise cap is identical to the 2h soft expertise cap, isn't it? |
| 06:12.55 | DWSR | I have no idea, I don't think so. |
| 06:12.57 | DWSR | ~wowwiki |
| 06:12.58 | purl | The largest English-language Warcraft wiki in existence, with over 73,000 articles. It is located at http://www.wowwiki.com |
| 06:13.01 | ZorbaTHut | pretty sure it is |
| 06:13.07 | ZorbaTHut | burst and avoidance are the tricky ones, and this is where the difficulty with tanking comes from |
| 06:13.26 | ZorbaTHut | burst is basically a measure of how long you survive in a "worst-case scenario" - i.e. you fail to dodge, you fail to parry, you get smacked real hard by the boss several times in a row |
| 06:13.33 | ZorbaTHut | in any long boss battle you *are* going to have unlucky streaks |
| 06:13.46 | ZorbaTHut | if you can survive indefinitely given infinite hit points, but die every minute from unlucky streaks, you're a crappy tank |
| 06:14.14 | DWSR | I need 419 expertise in order to cap out |
| 06:14.24 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, hardcap or softcap? |
| 06:14.30 | DWSR | I have like....113. |
| 06:14.32 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: hard cap. |
| 06:14.40 | DWSR | err, hold on. |
| 06:14.42 | ZorbaTHut | as I said, if you need past soft cap, you're doing it wrong |
| 06:14.47 | ZorbaTHut | hard cap is just sort of ridiculous :) |
| 06:14.51 | DWSR | yeah, hard cap. |
| 06:14.52 | DWSR | Yeah. :P |
| 06:14.53 | DWSR | I know. |
| 06:14.58 | ZorbaTHut | avoidance/mitigation is sort of the average case for taking damage. unfortunately, it *mostly* matters in situations that no longer exist |
| 06:14.59 | DWSR | I need 214, I have 113. |
| 06:15.10 | ZorbaTHut | it matters for things like healer longevity, except, whoooops, healers have infinite mana now |
| 06:15.36 | Jerub | they do? |
| 06:15.37 | DWSR | ohwait, i only need 173. |
| 06:15.46 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, in all practicality, yeah. |
| 06:16.04 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i guess. 2 healing 10icc means i really do have to conserve mana. |
| 06:16.20 | ZorbaTHut | it's not literally infinite but it's pretty damn high |
| 06:16.24 | DWSR | Jerub: 6^ |
| 06:16.25 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 06:16.34 | ZorbaTHut | in any situation where healer longevity is about to be an issue, you probably are in danger of being bursted down anyway |
| 06:16.40 | ZorbaTHut | and so, again, burst > mitigation/avoidance |
| 06:16.59 | ZorbaTHut | so, as a basic guide for gearing and gemming, you care mostly about the burst stat. things that affect burst: stamina, armor, agility (because it gives you armor) |
| 06:17.01 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: that basically means lots of armor and stam right? |
| 06:17.11 | DWSR | yeap |
| 06:17.12 | ZorbaTHut | yep |
| 06:17.20 | mikma | yarp |
| 06:17.22 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: What's an average armour level for an ICC10 tank? |
| 06:17.22 | ZorbaTHut | note that some of the best top raid tanks stack bonus armor everywhere they can |
| 06:17.35 | ZorbaTHut | that's because stamina is roughly equal, and the other stats are surprisingly unimportant |
| 06:17.42 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I have no idea, as I said I work in item levels usually ;) |
| 06:18.02 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: really? interesting. as a bear i have reasonably good armor, but i don't optimise for it. |
| 06:18.05 | Jerub | high ilvl=high armor |
| 06:18.14 | Jerub | i certainly don't gem or enchant for it |
| 06:18.23 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, bonus armor is the key here. and you probably should enchant for it |
| 06:18.29 | ZorbaTHut | it's just as good for you as it is for other classes |
| 06:19.22 | DWSR | Dude. |
| 06:19.26 | DWSR | Razorscale Talon looks WIN |
| 06:19.38 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, armor is *really really good*. it's not as good as stamina, it's better than pretty much everything else, itemization-to-itemization. |
| 06:19.59 | ZorbaTHut | so, what we have here is threat (exp to soft cap if needed), avoidance (useless), burst (focus on this) |
| 06:20.04 | ZorbaTHut | this is not actually an accurate view |
| 06:20.12 | ZorbaTHut | it's possible to reconcile avoidance and burst into a single sane "tankiness" stat |
| 06:20.45 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?37241-The-power-of-avoidance-%28preliminary-results%29 read this, it's really good, I want to build this into the warrior spreadsheet if I can figure out how |
| 06:21.02 | Jerub | my expertise is at 10.50% overall, so if i push it much father it'll hit hardcap |
| 06:21.32 | ZorbaTHut | I believe druid tanks tend to have much higher expertise than others, simply due to their use of DPS leather gear |
| 06:21.39 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, that bit I may have inaccurate with druids |
| 06:21.46 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: can you recommend alternate enchants? http://elitistarmory.com/US/Dath%27Remar/Brandi |
| 06:21.47 | ZorbaTHut | that's definitely a "check spreadsheet/rawr" moment. |
| 06:21.55 | Jerub | there's an expertise talent. |
| 06:22.22 | ZorbaTHut | Cloak agility is good for druids, and may be ideal. I don't know druid itemization enough. If it's not, there's a cloak armor enchant also. |
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| 06:22.52 | Jerub | isn't that an engineer enchant? |
| 06:23.07 | ZorbaTHut | no, that's the hand enchant you're thinking of |
| 06:23.32 | ZorbaTHut | that's odd it thinks you have a cloak enchant on your boots |
| 06:23.47 | ZorbaTHut | assuming that's not the case, you may want to pick up tuskarr's vitality - run speed is incredibly valuable for any melee class |
| 06:23.53 | ZorbaTHut | strongly strongly recommended |
| 06:24.30 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think I'd bother with the hand expertise enchant |
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| 06:24.42 | ZorbaTHut | if you're low on threat, Armsman will probably beat that by far |
| 06:25.00 | ZorbaTHut | if you're not low on threat, the Heavy Borean Armor Kit is probably the best choice |
| 06:25.10 | ZorbaTHut | (assuming here you don't want to switch to engineer just for the armor hand enchant ;) ) |
| 06:25.25 | Jerub | i changed to JC for all the delicious stamina gems |
| 06:25.46 | ZorbaTHut | it's not a bad choice, JC is certainly good as well |
| 06:26.25 | Jerub | i just saw i still have an agi gem |
| 06:26.27 | Jerub | on my panties |
| 06:26.32 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I assume that's for your meta |
| 06:26.42 | Jerub | heh, must be |
| 06:26.45 | ZorbaTHut | when you replace your legs you might want to go with a purple exp/stam gem instead |
| 06:26.47 | ZorbaTHut | (maybe agi/stam) |
| 06:26.55 | ZorbaTHut | but it's probably not worth the money until then, unless you're really rich |
| 06:27.21 | Jerub | i've got a couple grand, but my mage is on 79 so is just about to become really expensive |
| 06:28.51 | ZorbaTHut | yeah don't worry 'bout it |
| 06:29.20 | ZorbaTHut | so, yeah, the only big things I'd look at - hand enchant should be armsman, agi, or stam, boot enchant should be tuskarr's, cloak maaaaaybe should be armor |
| 06:30.33 | Jerub | okay, i'll revisit this later i think. |
| 06:30.52 | Jerub | i really need to talk to the raidleader of the guild i pug icc with and say, "do you want me heals or tank, becuase tbh, your tanks suck" |
| 06:30.58 | ZorbaTHut | hah |
| 06:30.59 | Jerub | because they do. |
| 06:31.12 | Jerub | they've got a dk tank that will just /w you and offer to buy things you win rolls on |
| 06:33.06 | ZorbaTHut | that is rarely a good sign |
| 06:33.08 | Adys | YAY |
| 06:33.11 | Adys | finally |
| 06:33.18 | Adys | full support for gayass blp1 jpegs :) |
| 06:36.30 | Lunessa | WTB: New ICC group. |
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| 06:48.01 | Wraanger | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.19 | DWSR | Derp derp. |
| 06:49.21 | DWSR | fail. |
| 06:49.22 | Thunder_Child | time to change your pw |
| 06:49.27 | Ginji | lol |
| 06:49.29 | DWSR | I'm giving you 15 seconds. |
| 06:49.32 | DWSR | And then I'm going to ghost you |
| 06:51.34 | Shadowed | Don't |
| 06:51.42 | Shadowed | be nice |
| 06:52.02 | Thunder_Child | this isnt really the channel to be in if you want nice people |
| 06:52.24 | Adys | IS NOBODY ACKNOWLEDGING MY AWESOMENESS |
| 06:52.29 | Adys | YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF LOSERS |
| 06:52.30 | Adys | :( |
| 06:52.36 | Adys | shadowed! |
| 06:52.39 | Shadowed | Adys |
| 06:52.41 | Adys | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15561 |
| 06:52.42 | Adys | :D |
| 06:52.42 | Lunessa | Nah, Adys you suck. |
| 06:52.44 | Shadowed | I made the miner twice as fast |
| 06:52.47 | Shadowed | you suck |
| 06:52.52 | Adys | what miner |
| 06:52.55 | Thunder_Child | as soon as you have some awesomeness we will acknowledge it |
| 06:52.57 | Shadowed | EAs |
| 06:53.04 | Adys | what miner |
| 06:53.09 | Shadowed | armory data |
| 06:53.18 | Adys | twice as fast as what |
| 06:53.22 | Wraanger | yeah ... my fail ..having 1/7 years old child around when you are typing something related to passwords is not too good idea ) |
| 06:53.35 | Wraanger | 1.7* |
| 06:53.39 | Shadowed | as leading competitors |
| 06:53.40 | DWSR | Shadowed: The "use main's experience" feature of EG isn't working (or isn't working as I expect it to). |
| 06:53.46 | Shadowed | It works fine |
| 06:54.05 | Adys | Wraanger: your password is your password |
| 06:54.10 | Adys | its not "related to passwords" |
| 06:54.12 | Adys | its your password |
| 06:54.12 | Shadowed | Adys: Does it do mass conversion? |
| 06:54.21 | Adys | sure, whatever, its a lib |
| 06:54.25 | Kraps | blues have posted in some strange threads lately http://blue.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 06:54.26 | Shadowed | ah nice |
| 06:54.34 | DWSR | Shadowed: Does it only display the experience to other people? when I inspect my alt, I only get their experience. |
| 06:54.35 | Adys | i posted two example programs |
| 06:54.38 | Adys | that are like 20 lines |
| 06:54.41 | Adys | convert.py and show.py |
| 06:54.42 | Shadowed | yes |
| 06:55.01 | Adys | Blizzard is prejiduce to left handed people |
| 06:55.02 | Adys | about guys who play female toons |
| 06:55.12 | Adys | anyone else thinking something awkward? |
| 06:55.14 | Shadowed | It seems kind of weird they made a forum for the TCG |
| 06:55.29 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, it'd be nice if they've decided to be a bit more open about things |
| 06:55.36 | ZorbaTHut | I think they've been quite too quiet for a while |
| 06:55.53 | Adys | heard that one before ZorbaTHut :P |
| 06:56.15 | ZorbaTHut | in fairness I just came off the second straight day at GDC which was basically "hey talk to your people about things always" |
| 06:56.28 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/713/ |
| 06:56.29 | Adys | bahaha |
| 06:57.19 | Adys | also, is it me or wouldnt that fail? |
| 06:57.26 | Adys | isn't geoip working on a 2d plane? |
| 06:58.06 | Shadowed | http://shadowed.pastey.net/134100-4n58 that Adys, doesn't wait 1s between requests if it can find one on another region |
| 06:58.41 | Adys | grats Shadowed |
| 06:58.51 | Adys | you know i did this like months ago in my wget script for item armory sniffing |
| 06:59.12 | Shadowed | item armories don't have a throttle as long as you don't do like, 5000000 requests in a second! |
| 06:59.19 | Adys | yes, they do |
| 06:59.19 | Adys | :P |
| 06:59.35 | Adys | 1 query per second over 10 seconds |
| 06:59.46 | Kraps | the forgotten shore is fucking depressing |
| 06:59.53 | Adys | kraps |
| 06:59.56 | Shadowed | I was doing a lot more than that when testing and didn't hit it |
| 06:59.59 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/creepyteeare/ |
| 07:00.09 | Adys | its not always enabled shadowed |
| 07:00.09 | Bibi | I'll have to invoice that bandwidth btw. |
| 07:00.22 | Adys | what bandwidth |
| 07:00.29 | Bibi | the one you're stealing for your pictures |
| 07:00.37 | Adys | suck it up |
| 07:00.48 | Bibi | you know I will ;-) |
| 07:01.02 | Bibi | and Shadowed / ZorbaTHut |
| 07:01.07 | Bibi | I need an addon to track weekly quests on my alts |
| 07:01.14 | Bibi | whoever codes it firsts gets e-fame on MMO-Champ. |
| 07:01.14 | Adys | bibi |
| 07:01.19 | Bibi | -s |
| 07:01.22 | Kraps | Adys: the hell? |
| 07:01.30 | Shadowed | I don't need e-fame |
| 07:01.41 | Shadowed | that just gives me more work |
| 07:01.45 | Adys | Bibi: how about i upload my 15gb wow client on db.mmoc, post it on frontpage as a "cataclysm client leak" |
| 07:01.59 | Adys | Kraps: untextured bug on previous ptr build |
| 07:02.01 | ZorbaTHut | my e-fame is being spent in a more productive manner now |
| 07:02.01 | Shadowed | do it |
| 07:02.04 | ZorbaTHut | INDIE VIDEO GAMES |
| 07:02.08 | Bibi | whores? |
| 07:02.09 | Bibi | oh |
| 07:02.10 | Bibi | that works too |
| 07:02.12 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: 3d or 2d games? |
| 07:02.13 | ZorbaTHut | oh yeah, I know how this shit works |
| 07:02.19 | ZorbaTHut | adys, whatever's awesome. |
| 07:02.27 | ZorbaTHut | so, in other words, 2d games. |
| 07:02.33 | ZorbaTHut | (see what I did there) |
| 07:02.35 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: that meant "do you have 3d experience or know anyone who does" |
| 07:02.51 | ZorbaTHut | yes, and yes, though mine's relatively minimal compared to some of my friends |
| 07:03.25 | krka | that's what he said! |
| 07:03.32 | Adys | and if I say you're awesome on the frontpage of my db, will you work free for me for the next 2 years as a 3d graphist and developer? |
| 07:03.46 | ZorbaTHut | no. |
| 07:03.48 | ZorbaTHut | :P |
| 07:03.54 | Adys | ARE YOU SURE ITS A GOOD DEAL |
| 07:04.06 | ZorbaTHut | PRETTY SURE YEAH |
| 07:05.59 | ZorbaTHut | http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p307/carreiramusic/maynard12.jpg |
| 07:06.19 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 07:07.31 | Adys | that made me cackle quite hard |
| 07:12.05 | ZorbaTHut | star wars just hasn't been the same since the new trilogy |
| 07:14.10 | DWSR | indeed. |
| 07:14.19 | DWSR | Probably the fault of desensitiation. |
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| 07:21.58 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I think the new series just got progressively worse in quality. |
| 07:22.08 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Partly because he had less and less wiggle room for each one |
| 07:24.03 | DWSR | I mean, you knew Anakin had to turn evil, you know that Padme had to die, you knew that they had to have twins |
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| 07:24.43 | DWSR | You could pretty much tell what the entire movie was going to be before you even went to see it |
| 07:25.15 | Adys | im on fire |
| 07:25.31 | DWSR | Always knew you were a flamer. |
| 07:25.41 | Adys | blp1-1.3 and blp1-1.4 implemented :) |
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| 07:33.20 | Arrowmaster | bioshock2 needs reminders to save your damn game, especially when you are on hard with vita chambers disabled |
| 07:33.39 | Dagmar | I thought that was what they gave you QuickSave functionality for |
| 07:34.20 | Arrowmaster | but i forget to save before doing something stupid like deciding to take on a big daddy |
| 07:34.25 | Dagmar | Ouch |
| 07:36.10 | Adys | scorescreen-hero-sylvanus.blp |
| 07:36.14 | Adys | oh no, not you too blizz. |
| 07:38.02 | Dagmar | O |
| 07:38.10 | Dagmar | What exactly do you mean? |
| 07:38.48 | zenzio | Adys: ..? |
| 07:38.55 | Adys | its from the wc3 files |
| 07:38.57 | Adys | sylvanus |
| 07:38.58 | Adys | :( |
| 07:39.04 | Dagmar | Yes, that I see becuase I Googled it |
| 07:39.06 | zenzio | is that meant to be Sylvanas? |
| 07:39.13 | Adys | ..yes |
| 07:39.14 | Dagmar | ...which would actually make it somewhat dated. |
| 07:39.17 | zenzio | I... see |
| 07:39.22 | zenzio | are there any Arthuses too? |
| 07:39.43 | Adys | 3754 blp1 files successfully read |
| 07:40.52 | Adys | also zenzio |
| 07:40.53 | Adys | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes?ids=97#quote-97 |
| 07:41.22 | zenzio | Adys: yeah, I remembered that =D |
| 07:41.36 | Adys | on that note, quotes updated |
| 07:43.12 | Adys | What the hell |
| 07:45.59 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/KoboldShoveler.blp.jpg |
| 07:46.04 | Adys | Wtf =\ |
| 07:46.28 | Jerub | Adys: so much indescribable awesome |
| 07:46.32 | zenzio | that's disturbing |
| 07:46.58 | Cairenn | doncha just love vandalism? |
| 07:47.10 | Adys | vandalismises Cairenn |
| 07:47.16 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:47.23 | zenzio | can't say I do |
| 07:47.27 | zenzio | what's been vandalised now? |
| 07:47.34 | Adys | marks zenzio for deletion |
| 07:47.41 | Cairenn | I was talking about Adys's link |
| 07:47.44 | zenzio | is in use and cannot be deleted |
| 07:47.58 | Adys | Cairenn: thats from the wc3 mpqs |
| 07:48.07 | Cairenn | o.O |
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| 07:48.34 | Adys | although tbh |
| 07:48.43 | Adys | I'd like to know how out of 3700 files i can get THE ONE |
| 07:49.04 | Shadowed | destiny |
| 07:49.07 | zenzio | you found it because you have to. It's what you were meant to do |
| 07:49.27 | zenzio | now go, you can still stop Smith |
| 07:49.49 | Adys | there... |
| 07:49.56 | Adys | is some VERY disturbing shit in these files |
| 07:50.13 | Adys | including a pink draft of illidan |
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| 07:53.08 | zenzio | speaking of Illidan... even though BC was about the Burning Crusade, obviously, I still felt they focused way too much on Illidan, and then sort of just tucked Sunwell on to fill a gap |
| 07:53.23 | Wobin | They weren't prepared? |
| 07:53.30 | zenzio | so it would seem |
| 07:57.33 | Shadowed | Sunwell was never "supposed" to be released if I recall |
| 07:58.02 | zenzio | that's sort of what I mean, it just felt like it was tossed in as an afterthought |
| 07:58.11 | Shadowed | Right that's my point :P |
| 07:58.16 | Shadowed | It was an afterthought essentially |
| 07:58.33 | Shadowed | well more of a "Oh hey, WoTLK is delayed, we need something so people don't quit!" |
| 07:59.21 | zenzio | yeah |
| 07:59.26 | zenzio | I just feel sorry for Kil'Jaeden |
| 07:59.41 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Wobin |
| 07:59.41 | purl | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, Wobin!" and lops off Wobin's head |
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| 08:02.29 | Adys | sunwell was supposed to be released in wotlk |
| 08:02.36 | Adys | just like naxx was supposed to be a tbc raid |
| 08:02.39 | zenzio | really? |
| 08:04.29 | DWSR | zenzio: Err... |
| 08:04.34 | DWSR | dtdlu? |
| 08:04.43 | DWSR | s/dtdlu/srsly/ |
| 08:04.49 | zenzio | yes, srsly |
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| 08:13.58 | Wobin | http://izismile.com/2010/03/09/what_do_you_think_this_is_5_pics.html |
| 08:13.59 | Wobin | woo |
| 08:14.01 | Wobin | I want one |
| 08:14.28 | Cairenn | nifty |
| 08:17.41 | Wobin | holy crap, http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/44892981.html <-- avatar styled TinTin |
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| 08:18.50 | krka | i could see simon pegg as tintin |
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| 08:20.27 | zenzio | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/03/11/demotivational-posters-formerly-obese-man/ |
| 08:22.11 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcbZ0v8Mpvk&feature=player_embedded |
| 08:22.16 | Wobin | good samsung ad |
| 08:26.34 | Wobin | Cairenn, ugh, that's a terrible site |
| 08:27.08 | zenzio | no wai |
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| 08:28.40 | Cairenn | aren't they all? |
| 08:29.40 | zenzio | I've heard WoWI is pretty cool |
| 08:29.57 | Cairenn | :p |
| 08:36.51 | airtonix | http://cdn.nextround.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/missing-dog-2.jpg |
| 08:38.01 | DWSR | LOL |
| 08:40.56 | airtonix | http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/film/tron-legacy-trailer-leaked-online-bootleg.html |
| 08:41.06 | airtonix | new video |
| 08:41.34 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:41.37 | Fisker | slap'd |
| 08:44.00 | airtonix | moans |
| 08:45.02 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: http://www.program-glitch-esc.net/ |
| 08:45.06 | DWSR | December 17th? Shit. |
| 08:46.42 | Wobin | eh =( |
| 08:46.47 | Wobin | that looks cool |
| 08:46.50 | DWSR | very |
| 08:47.10 | DWSR | All the new vehicles look fucking amazing. |
| 08:47.22 | DWSR | Have we had a portal2 teaser yet? |
| 08:47.25 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, much nicer |
| 08:51.16 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR1P8Tm1fD8&feature=related |
| 08:51.17 | DWSR | What. |
| 08:51.17 | DWSR | the. |
| 08:51.20 | DWSR | fuck. |
| 08:51.41 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT5C_CUlG08&NR=1 |
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| 08:52.43 | Wobin | http://www.picshag.com/colonel-landa-20.html |
| 08:54.11 | airtonix | lulz |
| 08:54.15 | Wobin | <3 http://www.explosm.net/comics/1980/ |
| 08:55.13 | Kalroth | aww |
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| 09:01.47 | DWSR | xkcd.com <- rofl |
| 09:03.26 | Fisker | no! |
| 09:04.53 | Kalroth | meet girls in low orbit fisker |
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| 09:07.29 | tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuoyKGy3jLc |
| 09:07.38 | tekkub | that one's good, nice lil easter egg there |
| 09:08.19 | Fisker | meet girls in your mom's basement Kalroth |
| 09:08.36 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: long time source engine 'bug' |
| 09:08.53 | Arrowmaster | they abuse the fuck out of it in halflife2 done quick |
| 09:09.27 | Arrowmaster | also abuse another bug to shutup all the npcs |
| 09:09.54 | tekkub | ha, there's another one |
| 09:09.55 | tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltgwSaCEX0&feature=related |
| 09:09.57 | tekkub | that's great |
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| 09:17.00 | DWSR | tekkub: Nice. |
| 09:18.41 | jnwhiteh | So I have a legit plan. I need ANY World of Warcraft Programmer/Scripters out there that are willing to script for me, as I am planning to host a private server for WoW, A.S.A.P. And will be needing ALOT of help--scripting wise. My email you can contact me |
| 09:18.42 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 09:19.00 | Kalroth | ILL JOIN JNWITE |
| 09:19.04 | Kalroth | I ALSO KNOW PHP |
| 09:19.17 | krka | please don't talk about private servers here or you'll get banned |
| 09:19.27 | jnwhiteh | BUT THIS IS A LEGIT PLAN |
| 09:19.38 | krka | sure you _say_ that! |
| 09:19.42 | jnwhiteh | BUT THIS IS A LEGIT PLAN |
| 09:19.45 | zenzio | I made a calculator in Visual Basic 6, can I join? |
| 09:19.53 | Kalroth | I wonder how someone could think its legit |
| 09:20.02 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: visual basic is leeet, please contact me. |
| 09:20.04 | Kalroth | I guess if you host the server in a strange country |
| 09:20.19 | Kalroth | no no zenzio is the VB jerk, I'm the PHP elite |
| 09:20.54 | Kalroth | Fiskers name is Bolo Santosi |
| 09:21.40 | Adys | i also thought it was kalroth who said VB |
| 09:21.52 | Kalroth | :/ |
| 09:21.55 | Kalroth | I hate you all |
| 09:24.07 | Fisker | I AM THE LEADER OF THE REVOLUTIONARY GROUP CALLED TEH REAPAAAS |
| 09:24.39 | Fisker | and then Scorpio was like "But you don't have any mass effect relays to get to earth fffffuuuuuuuuuuu-" |
| 09:27.00 | Kalroth | haa |
| 09:27.07 | Kalroth | have you tried the demo yet?! |
| 09:27.12 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 09:27.15 | Fisker | no Kalroth |
| 09:27.18 | Kalroth | :/ |
| 09:27.22 | Fisker | that's why i could quote the intro sequence |
| 09:27.29 | Fisker | hurr durr |
| 09:27.34 | Kalroth | well it could be from a youtube video |
| 09:27.40 | Fisker | HURR DURR |
| 09:28.01 | Fisker | why won't you hey me jnwhiteh? :( |
| 09:28.12 | Fisker | i want to help you host private servers |
| 09:29.04 | jnwhiteh | Fisker'd |
| 09:41.55 | ckknight | jnwhiteh: I heard you have a legit plan in mind. |
| 09:42.00 | jnwhiteh | I do!! |
| 09:42.10 | jnwhiteh | all lua scripters contacts me immediately |
| 09:42.24 | jnwhiteh | and i'll set up a private server for you so no one can see what we're doing |
| 09:42.25 | jnwhiteh | totally legit! |
| 09:45.11 | olafski | sounds legit jnwhiteh |
| 09:45.14 | olafski | can I come and play there? |
| 09:45.23 | olafski | I will want 10 level 150 characters to begin with |
| 09:45.24 | jnwhiteh | totally legit. |
| 09:45.35 | olafski | I expect you to have content for lvl 150 characters btw |
| 09:45.36 | jnwhiteh | if u can lua script it we can do it |
| 09:47.08 | Kaso | return plan.isLegit() and "Totally Legit" or "Not Legit!"; |
| 09:47.35 | Adys | lua> math.random() |
| 09:47.37 | lua_bot | Adys: 0.57969643016332 |
| 09:47.38 | Adys | lua> math.random() |
| 09:47.40 | lua_bot | Adys: 0.0082093854473016 |
| 09:48.18 | Kaso | Adys is felling random... |
| 09:48.22 | olafski | that random is clearly waaay off |
| 09:48.35 | olafski | those two values don't average 0.5! |
| 09:48.49 | Adys | lua> math.random() |
| 09:48.49 | lua_bot | Adys: 0.74015378334567 |
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| 09:48.51 | jnwhiteh | where is my epix loot. |
| 09:48.59 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 09:49.32 | nevcairiel | hahah Adys |
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| 10:44.54 | Fisker | slap'd |
| 10:44.57 | Fisker | don't do it |
| 11:20.48 | theorbtwo | Dammit: slapped. |
| 11:20.58 | theorbtwo | It's bad enough when people do it semi-unneccessarly. |
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| 11:58.50 | sylvanaar_atwork | who is going to order an iPad this morning |
| 11:59.32 | haste | isn't |
| 12:00.16 | Fisker | i'd figure that only retards would get it |
| 12:00.21 | Fisker | in the meantime i'll wait for the GTX 480 |
| 12:01.56 | olafski | think I'll just grab a couple of bills from the atm and flush them down the toilet :) |
| 12:02.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | you guys are so jaded |
| 12:02.33 | olafski | because I don't like the ipad? :s |
| 12:03.04 | A-KO | I think the ipad is a nifty idea, but I don't think Apple's executing it properly. Particularly the idea of a computer without multitasking, I really don't know what Jobs is smoking but he needs to get off of that trip. |
| 12:03.25 | olafski | let me put it another way sylvanaar_atwork, I'd prefer to buy an ipod touch and spend the rest of the money on booze ;) |
| 12:03.31 | A-KO | come back ot reality and realize people like to keep things multitasked |
| 12:03.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | i see |
| 12:04.00 | olafski | I'm not really in a position to execute either option but still |
| 12:04.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | heh |
| 12:04.12 | olafski | soon I shall have a job and all sorts of money to spend |
| 12:04.21 | A-KO | nah, there are benefits to a larger screen that the ipad gives over the ipod/iphone. People ultimately want to be more mobile, current tablets just don't do it well yet :P |
| 12:04.30 | olafski | alternatively if a gazillion people suddenly decide to download my addon that would be fine as well |
| 12:04.44 | olafski | I'm sure there are a-ko, but not to me ;) |
| 12:04.55 | olafski | I'm sitting at a pc for about 12 hours a day anyway |
| 12:05.04 | sylvanaar_atwork | i love technology - i'll probably get one just to say i have it |
| 12:05.49 | A-KO | olafski: The netbook market took off against what I thought would be the way the market would go. Interestingly enough, I have a netbook--and the market there is certainly good, but I don't actually recommend netbooks to anyone who is looking for a laptop (there are major differences). I think the netbook market took off for a similar reason that I think the tablet market will take off. |
| 12:06.08 | A-KO | it's just that current computer UIs aren't all that great for tablet computing, so Apple at least has the right idea there. |
| 12:06.41 | nevcairiel | I still don't see what people see in the iPad, its just an oversized iPod Touch |
| 12:06.48 | A-KO | exactly |
| 12:06.50 | A-KO | that's just it |
| 12:06.53 | olafski | a-ko: well, I don't see the point of a netbook either tbh :( |
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| 12:07.04 | A-KO | After you use an iphone/ipod touch/etc for a while, you quickly run into limitations of the screen size. |
| 12:07.08 | olafski | it won't fit in your pockets just like a laptop, why not use a laptop instead :/ |
| 12:07.16 | nevcairiel | would rather get two iPods, at least i can multi task then |
| 12:07.21 | olafski | lol |
| 12:07.29 | sylvanaar_atwork | i probably shouldnt get one - since i am thinking about quiting my job - but...what the hell |
| 12:07.41 | olafski | dangerous stuff to say when you're _atwork :) |
| 12:07.47 | A-KO | lol sylvanaar, we might get one in the office at work to play with. We're actualy doing a huge tablet PC rollout, but not with ipads. |
| 12:07.54 | A-KO | ipads are the suck for systems management |
| 12:08.19 | A-KO | Apple has always been pretty bad when it comes to actually doing anything business IT related. |
| 12:09.33 | sylvanaar_atwork | we are doing mobile pos with ipod touches using the sleds that Apple uses in thier stores |
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| 12:21.03 | zenzio | https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12454665647&postId=124533949574&sid=1#0 |
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| 12:28.30 | frontendloader | olafski: I'd love an ultraportable |
| 12:28.52 | olafski | I want something that unfolds into a full size pc but fits in my pocket |
| 12:29.02 | frontendloader | of course I'd love that more |
| 12:29.03 | olafski | something like tony stark has in his new movie, but then with a pc instead of a combat suit |
| 12:29.07 | olafski | a combat suit would be nice too though |
| 12:29.20 | frontendloader | but for now, something with insane battery life that doesn't weigh too much would be solid |
| 12:36.10 | Fisker | slaps olafski around a bit with a large trout |
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| 12:47.56 | olafski | hm, my Tumultuous Cloak of the Bear shows up with 0 stats on the armory =( |
| 12:48.39 | zenzio | it's too tumultuous to add up |
| 12:50.55 | olafski | must be it! |
| 12:51.00 | olafski | my tumultuous necklace has stats though |
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| 13:36.20 | zenzio | happy Friday, peppy |
| 13:36.52 | Lopeppeppy | Damn skippy it's Friday! |
| 13:36.58 | alestane | I think any other Friday would be a contravention of natural Law. |
| 13:38.07 | Lopeppeppy | There are some craptastic Fridays, dear. |
| 13:38.29 | alestane | Does that negate my point? |
| 13:41.36 | Lopeppeppy | I don't know. Logic circuits not online yet today. |
| 13:42.12 | alestane | Have some misoshiru. |
| 13:42.37 | zenzio | Mr. Spock finds you most peculiar, miss Lopeppeppy |
| 13:43.57 | Lopeppeppy | I'd hit that. |
| 13:44.12 | theorbtwo | Well, she is a dinasour/kitten/android. Of course Mr Spock finds her peculiar. |
| 13:45.25 | Lopeppeppy | You forgot the fox. |
| 13:45.25 | Lopeppeppy | I think I described it this morning as "water-based Scorpio fox". |
| 13:47.47 | alestane | ...isn't Scorpio an Air sign? |
| 13:48.06 | zenzio | among other things |
| 13:48.06 | alestane | Or wait, I think I skipped Libra. |
| 13:48.12 | Lopeppeppy | Did you want to get stung? :) |
| 13:48.37 | Lopeppeppy | But no, Scorpio is water, thankfully, no conflict there. |
| 13:48.59 | alestane | Wow, I can't even properly remember the Zodiac anymore. |
| 13:49.55 | zenzio | I remember the English names mostly because of Anarchy Online's Pandemonium raids o_O |
| 13:50.05 | alestane | Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces? |
| 13:50.48 | alestane | And their associations with the classical elements cycle Fire, Earth, Air, Water. |
| 13:53.58 | zenzio | zodiacs up, meet in pande sanct for buffing! |
| 13:54.18 | zenzio | or was it merely a garden in Pandemonium... |
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| 14:01.02 | Kraps | http://thisisindexed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/card2503.jpg |
| 14:03.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | Apple's iPhone 4.0 software to deliver multitasking support |
| 14:03.40 | foxlit | "The problem was that it took several seconds for the animation to play out and if a rogue just jumped on you and stunlocked you and was up your butt, you probably didn't want to be watching a horse galloping over the horizon." ~ Rob Pardo |
| 14:04.05 | zenzio | sylvanaar_atwork: isn't that just still hear-say? |
| 14:04.34 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/03/11/apples_iphone_4_0_software_to_deliver_multitasking_support.html |
| 14:04.37 | sylvanaar_atwork | dunno |
| 14:05.17 | zenzio | personally I'd prefer they didn't support multitasking |
| 14:05.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | reminds me of finder vs multifinder |
| 14:05.38 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 14:05.48 | sylvanaar_atwork | OS6 |
| 14:06.05 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/11/funny-pictures-dis-a-dream/ |
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| 14:09.35 | Wobin | hm multitasking would be nice |
| 14:09.46 | zenzio | meh |
| 14:09.50 | Wobin | but I dunno how much actual multitasking the memory will support |
| 14:09.55 | zenzio | exactly |
| 14:10.05 | zenzio | clients will have to consider their applications more carefully |
| 14:10.22 | foxlit | slap more ram in there, clearly |
| 14:10.25 | Wobin | I'd like my ebook reader to stay in the background |
| 14:10.37 | foxlit | That seems weird |
| 14:10.40 | Wobin | so it doesn't take so long to load up each time I move |
| 14:10.51 | foxlit | That, on the other hand, is a better goal. |
| 14:10.56 | sylvanaar_atwork | i accidentally paid for shipping =( |
| 14:11.10 | foxlit | But hey, they could fix the reader software so that it doesn't take an eternity to cold-start? |
| 14:11.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | now they are behind on their order processing so they cant find my order yet |
| 14:11.24 | Wobin | it's pretty awesome as it is, atm |
| 14:11.35 | Wobin | there's literally no lag time in actual reading |
| 14:11.56 | Wobin | Stanza is the best ebook reader I've found so far |
| 14:12.00 | foxlit | Yeah, but how much time do you need to display the initial 10 lines of text? |
| 14:12.18 | Wobin | I guess it has to find it's spot first |
| 14:12.22 | Wobin | and preload the next page |
| 14:12.30 | Wobin | but I dunno =) |
| 14:12.44 | Wobin | aside from the load up, it's a good app |
| 14:12.57 | Wobin | deals with large files well |
| 14:13.19 | theorbtwo | If preloading is slowing down your time to display the first page, then you are doing it wrong. |
| 14:13.23 | foxlit | Don't read on an ipod, really |
| 14:14.04 | foxlit | [I] |
| 14:14.50 | Wobin | theorbtwo, my basic rebuttal to that |
| 14:14.58 | Wobin | is, if it bothers you so much, write your own =) |
| 14:15.09 | Wobin | it doesn't bother -me- over much |
| 14:15.10 | foxlit | "I feel that the most balanced match up is..." "Terran vs Terran" "Zerg vs Zerg" "Protoss vs Protoss" |
| 14:15.17 | foxlit | wouldn't mirror matches be balanced per definition? |
| 14:15.35 | Wobin | Tautological statement is tautalogical |
| 14:15.36 | theorbtwo | Wobin: Oh, it doesn't -- I don't read on an iP(ad|hone|od), or even own one. |
| 14:15.54 | Wobin | theorbtwo, then they're not doing it wrong =) |
| 14:16.00 | foxlit | [They also include the other combinations, but including mirrors seems weird] |
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| 14:16.44 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/caught-in-your-own-conundrum/4627 |
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| 14:26.34 | Kraps | "Yeah it just takes one person to press Need after everyone's pressed Greed on the Frozen Orbs and you miss out. But the good news is that in patch 3.3.3 this won't be the case anymore -- the roll for Frozen Orbs will be an automatic Greed roll. Rejoice! " |
| 14:26.45 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.03 | alestane | Pwhawhohuh? |
| 14:27.07 | Kaso | everyone presses need in my battlegroup, its the only non-retarded option to press |
| 14:27.41 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.18 | olafski | I'm too used to pressing greed, I lose out half the times |
| 14:33.39 | olafski | it seems logical to me to roll greed on something that I don't absolutely need |
| 14:34.04 | Wobin | roll need |
| 14:34.13 | Wobin | it's the only way =P |
| 14:34.21 | Wobin | the only time I roll greed is in all guild runs |
| 14:34.50 | theorbtwo | Which would you prefer, another couple of gold, or your self-respect? |
| 14:35.01 | olafski | ^ |
| 14:35.03 | zenzio | you can still sell Frozen Orbs? |
| 14:35.07 | Wobin | I'd prefer a frozen orb |
| 14:35.15 | Wobin | that I can exchange for frost lotus =P |
| 14:35.15 | zenzio | you still use them? |
| 14:35.19 | olafski | they will become valuable in 3.3.3 zenzio.. where have you been :P |
| 14:35.24 | Wobin | jeez |
| 14:35.26 | Wobin | keep up =P |
| 14:35.42 | olafski | I usually say at the start of a run that I will roll need and suggest everyone does the same |
| 14:35.43 | zenzio | I've been idling since I'm too late to join any serious raiding until Cataclysm |
| 14:36.02 | olafski | you don't follow any wow news? :< I read mmo-champ every day =( |
| 14:36.22 | zenzio | I read the news, but I didn't find the new stuff you can buy any interesting |
| 14:37.30 | olafski | mkay |
| 14:47.23 | Lopeppeppy | IE is going to drive me batshit crazy |
| 14:47.39 | alestane | I thin k that's what it's for, Peppy. |
| 14:47.41 | zenzio | oh noes, Lopeppeppy is stuck in 2001 |
| 14:48.42 | Lopeppeppy | Grrrrr, argh. |
| 14:49.11 | alestane | Ahh, aliens! |
| 14:49.24 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: what's IE doing now? |
| 14:49.30 | Lopeppeppy | Moose had some aliens penned in the closet when I went to work this morning. |
| 14:50.00 | Lopeppeppy | zenzio, it's the simple fact that I have to use it that's driving me crazy. It handles popups differently and SLOWER than Firefox, which is making my worklife hell. |
| 14:50.12 | Lopeppeppy | (I am testing updates, hence my need to use both IE and FF. ) |
| 14:50.22 | alestane | By now the aliens have probably invited her to tea. |
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| 15:01.29 | mikma | anyone nows a player/ (way of hiding topbar in any player) with wankdows xp? |
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| 15:17.00 | alestane | ...was there some actual meaning in there, mikma? |
| 15:17.08 | mikma | yeah |
| 15:17.15 | mikma | i want vlc to be barless :P |
| 15:17.23 | mikma | just plain video in topright corner |
| 15:19.15 | alestane | Afraid I'm not the person to ask. |
| 15:19.21 | Kraps | "hey my sins you sould do a little change on your leveling gear when it cost so many emblemer and giv so littel only 20% you cant even feel it i think you should but it on 50-60% so you get some thing for all the work you hav done ... i hope you read this i no many people there are visually the same as me ??? " |
| 15:19.57 | alestane | Kraps: Clearly explosives are the only sane response to that. |
| 15:21.01 | olafski | oO |
| 15:23.00 | foxlit | zerglinged :( |
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| 15:36.37 | alestane | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2000/8/28/ |
| 15:54.04 | Kraps | eh, wow crashed just after the wrathgate cinematic |
| 15:55.05 | Ackis | get owned |
| 15:56.20 | Kraps | i still dont get why the red flight didnt join the assault |
| 15:56.48 | cbreak | they had to wait for the right moment to join in. when it seemed "cool" |
| 15:58.44 | Zyonin | Grr, Metacity is such a pain in the ass to theme |
| 16:00.31 | Zyonin | However, I have to say, I love having multiple desktops. Helps organize what I am doing |
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| 16:05.25 | foxlit | "I have an announcement: I am drunk" SC2 has way more than the usual amount of gag quotes |
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| 16:05.51 | zenzelezz | http://blogs.msdn.com/ericlippert/archive/2003/09/16/eric-s-complete-guide-to-vt-date.aspx - old, but I am amused |
| 16:05.54 | Zyonin | Ah yes, the Battlecruiser Captain? |
| 16:06.03 | foxlit | yes |
| 16:06.39 | Zyonin | Just hope he aint potted when he uses Yamato Cannon. Of course the person commanding him is another story altogether |
| 16:07.03 | DWSR | http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/58799-2/download.jpg |
| 16:07.48 | Zyonin | OK, back to getting annoyed with XML |
| 16:09.24 | Seerah | why are you getting annoyed with xml? |
| 16:10.32 | Zyonin | Because I am working on a Metacity theme. It's done in XML and there is no gui editor to help. |
| 16:10.40 | Seerah | ahhhh |
| 16:11.10 | Zyonin | and my XML is about as good as my Italian, aka, it stinks |
| 16:11.41 | Zyonin | However the only way I am going to learn is to tinker with it. Mostly by reverse engineering simpler Metacity thems |
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| 16:25.19 | Kraps | is saurfang jr killed in ICC or redeemed? |
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| 16:31.32 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. |
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| 16:50.33 | Ackis | apparently you have to play WoW/have active subscription if you want to post on the TCG forums. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=26146637&sid=1 :( |
| 16:52.11 | Fisker | duh Ackis ! |
| 16:52.19 | Fisker | Actually |
| 16:52.23 | Fisker | i could improve their system |
| 16:52.27 | Fisker | Username: |
| 16:52.29 | Fisker | Password: |
| 16:52.33 | Fisker | Unused Spectral Tiger Key: |
| 16:53.20 | Fisker | he's killed Kraps |
| 16:53.31 | Kraps | aww |
| 16:53.34 | Fisker | (I'm guessing you haven't been unless you're a retard) |
| 16:54.35 | Shirik | Adys |
| 16:54.36 | Shirik | you are so fail |
| 16:54.38 | Kraps | i dont raid so stfu |
| 17:07.22 | Lunessa | ~fail Fisker |
| 17:07.23 | purl | Fisker, you Fail! |
| 17:17.58 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/3/12/ |
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| 17:27.23 | alestane | Lunessa: http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/backward-2009-06-10.aspx |
| 17:27.29 | alestane | They've got our number, all right. |
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| 17:28.14 | Lunessa | *snicker* |
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| 17:28.45 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz5jQsPBmFE&feature=related |
| 17:29.06 | Lunessa | http://failbooking.com/2010/03/12/funny-facebook-fails-you-other-brothers-cant-deny/ |
| 17:29.10 | Lopeppeppy | Creeeeepy. |
| 17:29.14 | Lopeppeppy | that clown scares me. |
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| 17:32.03 | alestane | Clown? |
| 17:34.01 | Lopeppeppy | you don't recognize the floating as a quote? |
| 17:34.21 | alestane | I've sort of wondered about that. |
| 17:34.33 | Lopeppeppy | Stephen King's "It", the clown is named Pennywise. Ain't sayin' more, it's too creepy. |
| 17:34.40 | alestane | They put a little too much weight on it. |
| 17:36.05 | alestane | So, the floating has something to do with an evil clown from a Stephen King book and if I want to know what I can look it up myself. |
| 17:37.12 | Lopeppeppy | I think it also works in a second reference. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. "Let me in, I'm hungry." "C'mon, you're floating man. Get away from me!" |
| 17:37.29 | alestane | I am sadly deficient in modern pop culture. |
| 17:37.42 | Lopeppeppy | I am over-efficient in scary movie culture. |
| 17:37.58 | Cide | I am desperately trying to line-length sync with you. |
| 17:38.01 | Cide | too long :( |
| 17:38.10 | alestane | You seem to keep going back to them. |
| 17:38.13 | Lopeppeppy | Nice try! |
| 17:38.27 | alestane | I use a proportional font, no line-synching for me. |
| 17:38.40 | Cide | monospace ftw |
| 17:38.53 | alestane | Monospace is for code. |
| 17:39.02 | Cide | and this is a channel for coders! |
| 17:39.16 | alestane | Chickens escorted to launch pads: 3/3. |
| 17:40.13 | alestane | I'm getting whispers now from names like "Bilzzard" saying I am a lucky winner and need to register at <*website*> |
| 17:40.38 | alestane | Or that my account details need to be verified within the hour to avoid account suspension. |
| 17:40.55 | Lopeppeppy | oooh, nice. |
| 17:41.06 | alestane | Sort of funny that it's taken the spammers this long to fall back on time-honored phishing techniques. |
| 17:42.10 | alestane | Nice phishing, Peppy, or nice chickens? |
| 17:42.45 | Lopeppeppy | chicken good |
| 17:43.00 | Lunessa | alestane: Don't forget to go to booty bay and get your robochicken |
| 17:43.03 | alestane | omnomnom |
| 17:43.12 | alestane | On my where there now, Lunessa. |
| 17:43.16 | Lunessa | wooo |
| 17:43.32 | alestane | These quests should put me pretty close to 48. |
| 17:44.26 | alestane | I have to go there anyway, to turn in the three quests. |
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| 17:45.33 | alestane | Chainlink Towel: "Now even less absorbent!" |
| 17:45.42 | Lopeppeppy | Very important, that. |
| 17:47.22 | DWSR | Holy fuckshit. |
| 17:47.31 | Lunessa | brb. Need to reboot. |
| 17:47.35 | alestane | Yep, cleared about 50% of my level just on ethose four quests. |
| 17:47.39 | DWSR | Apparently, rediculously loud minimal house music = dopamine reward pathway. |
| 17:48.18 | Lopeppeppy | that were engrish? |
| 17:48.18 | alestane | You'd be amazed what sets off dopamine reactions, DWSR. |
| 17:48.44 | DWSR | alestane: This one is....rather unique. |
| 17:48.53 | Ackis | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/funny-pictures-kitten-wants-to-be-good.jpg |
| 17:48.56 | DWSR | I feel like I'm floating about 8 inches out of my body. |
| 17:49.07 | alestane | Dopamine is your brain's basic satisfaction/relief mechanism, Peppy. |
| 17:49.32 | Lopeppeppy | I guess my logic circuits still aren't all on-board, alestane. |
| 17:49.41 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine |
| 17:49.41 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, if music gets you high, listen to music! |
| 17:50.46 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: It apparently also allows you to learn better. |
| 17:50.55 | DWSR | So if I get *really* high, then I learn better, amirite? |
| 17:51.23 | nicoli_s | yep DWSR |
| 17:51.27 | DWSR | hehe |
| 17:51.47 | alestane | What you learn better, however, is open to dispute. |
| 17:52.39 | DWSR | alestane: Anything I put my endorphines to. :D |
| 17:53.16 | Milyardo | mmmm... chemicaly induced euphoria |
| 17:53.52 | DWSR | s/chemicaly/aurally/ |
| 17:53.54 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, endorphins. |
| 17:55.10 | DWSR | I was just listening to this mix in my chemistry exam. |
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| 17:55.21 | DWSR | And I swear to god I remembered stuff that I didn't even knew I knew. |
| 17:55.32 | DWSR | I was like "Oh yeah, I totally know this question. Wait, when the fuck did I even LEARN this shit?" |
| 17:56.23 | alestane | I used it to slightly different effect when I was scanning for Google Books. I had to listen to music with lyrics, so the language part of my brain would have a chew toy. Otherwise it would start reading the stuff I was scanning and totally slow me down. |
| 17:56.38 | alestane | And do you know your scores yet, DWSR? |
| 17:56.49 | DWSR | alestane: Wrote the exam literally 10 minutes ago. |
| 17:56.57 | alestane | Confidence in your answers ~= correct knowledge. |
| 17:57.08 | DWSR | alestane: and let's put it this way, if I pass that exam, I will have done phenomenally. |
| 17:57.33 | DWSR | alestane: Wrote it in a lecture hall with about 300 other people. |
| 17:57.38 | DWSR | Everyone had similar answers to what I had. |
| 17:57.43 | alestane | They let you listen to headphones in your exam? |
| 17:57.47 | DWSR | No. |
| 17:57.54 | DWSR | Not technically. |
| 17:58.04 | DWSR | They just don't give a shit as long as it's in your pocket the whole time. |
| 17:58.23 | DWSR | Since it's of pretty limited value otherwise (so they reason, anyway). |
| 17:59.05 | DWSR | So I just threw on the gloriously tastey BBC Essential Mix. |
| 17:59.10 | alestane | Even if it's playing Chemistry Texts on Tape? |
| 17:59.16 | DWSR | And nommed some Chemistry. |
| 17:59.24 | DWSR | alestane: It's not useful. |
| 17:59.59 | DWSR | alestane: Again, I could see it of being limited value, but they feel it's an acceptable risk. |
| 18:00.08 | alestane | I can't imagine that flying at my school. |
| 18:00.16 | DWSR | Seriously, when was the last time that someone tried to use a PAP for *audio* notes? |
| 18:00.39 | DWSR | s/notes/notes during an exam/ |
| 18:01.03 | DWSR | It's getting pretty commonplace, alestane. |
| 18:01.14 | DWSR | I sometimes bring headphones to class for background noise. |
| 18:01.36 | DWSR | Stick it in the left ear, instrumental tracks only, works wonderfully for concentration. |
| 18:02.05 | Lopeppeppy | A lot of profs are starting to implement a no-tech rule, being tired of cell phone and ipod and laptop disruptions in the classroom. |
| 18:02.19 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Probably in the upper years. |
| 18:02.21 | DWSR | I'm only in 2nd year. |
| 18:02.23 | DWSR | undergrad. |
| 18:02.34 | DWSR | People seem to be alright here, though. |
| 18:02.55 | DWSR | However, all my classes are still over 100 in size. |
| 18:02.59 | Lunessa | I have had professors ask me to kill network access in their classrooms. |
| 18:03.08 | DWSR | O.o |
| 18:03.11 | Ackis | http://www.broadband.gov/ apparently the FCC wants yanks to report their broadband speed |
| 18:03.16 | Lopeppeppy | I hear you, Lunessa. |
| 18:03.24 | alestane | When I have five students and two of them are IMing in the middle of lecture, I do get kind of annoyed. |
| 18:03.40 | DWSR | alestane: Yeah, I can see that. |
| 18:03.59 | DWSR | alestane: However, I come from a high school that had small class sizes (<20). |
| 18:04.27 | DWSR | alestane: So, I think it's a bit different. I use my PAP as a workaround to the large class size. |
| 18:04.39 | DWSR | Also, I don't really know the prof personally, so I sort of don't give a shit. |
| 18:05.12 | DWSR | And it's not that I'm being rude per se, but he doesn't have time to build a relationship with every one of the approx. 500 students taking his class. |
| 18:06.14 | alestane | Heck, I get annoyed when I have a class of 25. |
| 18:06.24 | DWSR | Ackis: lol, which Canada had something like that. Our broadband's fucking awful. |
| 18:06.26 | alestane | But I don't teach on the university scale. |
| 18:06.29 | DWSR | We *just* got FiOS. |
| 18:06.46 | DWSR | alestane: Yep. I really don't envy undergrad profs for courses like Bio 101. |
| 18:07.04 | Ackis | DWSR: would love to report my results, although I don't mind my speeds at home, it's just the price I pay |
| 18:07.20 | Ackis | I pay about $150 a month for interweb + tv + phone (TV == HD) |
| 18:07.26 | Lopeppeppy | Profs don't teach Bio 101. Grad students do. |
| 18:07.26 | alestane | Now I must out for a bit and arange an incomplete for one student. |
| 18:07.41 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: All the professors at my school are PhD's. |
| 18:07.49 | DWSR | alestane: Do enjoy yourself. |
| 18:08.06 | DWSR | Ackis: Ouch. |
| 18:08.15 | DWSR | Ackis: Though, that's probably what mine is (or would be). |
| 18:08.17 | Lopeppeppy | I don't say they're not. Just that the intro classes tend to get farmed off to grad students or adjuncts. |
| 18:08.35 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Not at my school *shrug*. |
| 18:08.56 | DWSR | dolby |
| 18:08.57 | Lopeppeppy | you're a very lucky walrus |
| 18:09.39 | DWSR | mhm. |
| 18:10.09 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: You's a Brit, correct? |
| 18:11.35 | Lopeppeppy | Very not. |
| 18:11.47 | DWSR | Gah, I need a Brit for a very speshful favour. |
| 18:12.04 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Where *are* you from? (I can never keep everyone straight). |
| 18:12.09 | Lopeppeppy | US. |
| 18:12.58 | DWSR | Why the hell are you connected to an EU server? |
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| 18:13.23 | DWSR | s/server/freenode server/ |
| 18:14.13 | jnwhiteh | Do you need a 'brit' |
| 18:14.15 | jnwhiteh | or someone in GB? |
| 18:14.38 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Someone in an urban area in GB, I would imagine. |
| 18:14.54 | jnwhiteh | I suppose I count? |
| 18:15.01 | DWSR | You tell me. :P |
| 18:15.16 | Seerah | well, he's an American, but overseas |
| 18:15.32 | jnwhiteh | I am currently in an urban area in GB |
| 18:15.38 | DWSR | Ah, you get the BBC there, yeah? |
| 18:15.42 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 18:16.02 | Cide | jnwhiteh is a full-blooded 'brit' if you ask me |
| 18:16.07 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't realize that the lounge was restricted to just Europeans. Lunessa, should we leave? |
| 18:16.24 | cog|away | joy |
| 18:16.34 | Lopeppeppy | ache |
| 18:16.40 | Lunessa | I'm feeling all excluded. Lets go be mutually inclusive together. *eyebrow waggle* |
| 18:16.46 | Lopeppeppy | Legos! |
| 18:16.50 | cog|work | bookkeeper fell for a phishing e-mail. Now my day is half-spent wiping trojans >< |
| 18:17.17 | Cide | fun stuff |
| 18:17.32 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, hellfire. I'm sorry, cog. How's the important stuff database security? Looking good? |
| 18:17.45 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Can you record the essential mix for me? |
| 18:18.24 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 18:18.29 | jnwhiteh | those words mean nothing to me. |
| 18:18.43 | DWSR | :o |
| 18:18.45 | DWSR | HOW? |
| 18:18.50 | DWSR | Oh wait, it's when you're probably asleep. |
| 18:18.59 | DWSR | It's like...4-5am on Saturday, now, I think? |
| 18:19.06 | jnwhiteh | on radio/tv? |
| 18:19.06 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: there are potential things to worry about but nothing concrete... |
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| 18:19.33 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: tv. |
| 18:19.37 | Lopeppeppy | I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, Cog. If all you have to do is wipe trojans, that's the happy outcome of the issue. |
| 18:19.39 | DWSR | err. |
| 18:19.40 | DWSR | WOW |
| 18:19.42 | jnwhiteh | I have no capacity to record either |
| 18:19.42 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 18:19.43 | DWSR | s/tv/radio/ |
| 18:19.44 | jnwhiteh | I can't help |
| 18:21.24 | DWSR | ah too bad. |
| 18:25.11 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Though, don't you have a soundcard with a mic port? :P |
| 18:25.44 | Ackis | http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/funny-dog-pictures-puffer-fish.jpg |
| 18:27.13 | Seerah | he doesn't look mad, Ackis |
| 18:28.01 | Ackis | I want one! |
| 18:28.03 | Ackis | wait |
| 18:28.04 | Ackis | I have one |
| 18:28.19 | Seerah | want again? |
| 18:28.26 | Ackis | my future mother-in-law is coming to visit at the end of the month and bringing her 8 year old pom and 4 month old pom |
| 18:28.37 | Ackis | I'd love to get another dog but it's not going to happen, too many cats |
| 18:28.50 | Seerah | how does that feel off your tongue, btw? ;) |
| 18:29.02 | Seerah | or fingers |
| 18:29.17 | Ackis | what? future mother-in-law? |
| 18:29.28 | Seerah | :) |
| 18:29.47 | Ackis | she's been calling herself that for a while, before Chantelle and I were engaged even heh |
| 18:29.55 | Seerah | lol |
| 18:30.05 | Ackis | doesn't bother me, I get along with her |
| 18:30.09 | Seerah | good thing for Chantelle that it didn't scare you off :p |
| 18:30.47 | Ackis | I knew when I asked her to move in with me I was signing up for the long haul, the ring on the finger is just formalizing it heh |
| 18:31.09 | Seerah | huggles Ackis |
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| 18:32.09 | Ackis | we haven't been planning much wedding stuff, focusing on her portfolio for art school |
| 18:33.02 | Lunessa | Wedding plans - like heroin for mothers and mother-in-laws to be. |
| 18:33.37 | Ackis | so far it's been my dad who's doing most of the thinking lol |
| 18:33.37 | cog|work | is glad he didn't marry an addict |
| 18:33.47 | Ackis | I think my sister is going to go nuts too |
| 18:34.23 | cog|work | We had a civil ceremony at the county clerk's office. The only reason we brought my mom along was so we wouldn't have to pay a witness fee |
| 18:34.32 | cog|work | then we threw a potluck at my grandma's house |
| 18:35.15 | Ackis | I want the church thing |
| 18:35.32 | Seerah | we got married here - http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=23425378481&sid=5000 |
| 18:35.45 | Cide | in the sc2 forums? |
| 18:35.49 | Cide | fun stuff |
| 18:35.57 | Seerah | stupid copy-paste not working |
| 18:36.02 | Seerah | http://www.frogpondvillage.com/ |
| 18:36.03 | Seerah | there |
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| 18:36.09 | Cide | too bad |
| 18:36.13 | Seerah | hehe |
| 18:36.15 | Cide | getting married with low fps would kinda suck |
| 18:36.21 | Ackis | that looks purty Seerah |
| 18:36.30 | Seerah | reception at Holiday Inn where my dad is banquet setup manager. got us a good deal, and he paid for most of it |
| 18:36.41 | Seerah | don't feel like it *has* to be in a church :) |
| 18:36.45 | Ackis | I don't really give a rats ass where I get married, the church I wanted to get married in burnt down |
| 18:36.57 | Ginji | marriage is total BS ! |
| 18:37.11 | Seerah | the pastor of my hubby's family's church wouldn't marry us because we had been living togehter |
| 18:37.13 | Lunessa | Ginji: Lots of people don't feel that way. |
| 18:37.31 | Ackis | how to become a vampire <-- google auto complete scares me :( |
| 18:37.33 | Ginji | That doesn't make it less true |
| 18:37.40 | Ackis | really Seerah? :( |
| 18:37.42 | Lunessa | Seerah: My mother is a minister. I forbade her from officiating at my (theoretical) wedding. |
| 18:37.52 | Kraps | you have to go anywhere special after the undercity battle right? |
| 18:38.18 | Kraps | dont have to* |
| 18:38.24 | DWSR | nope |
| 18:38.44 | Ackis | Lunessa: lucky you. My mother is batshit crazy :) |
| 18:38.59 | Seerah | Ackis: the wedding picture on FB was in front of the altar we got married at at the frog pond place :) |
| 18:39.49 | Ackis | ohh cool |
| 18:40.30 | Ackis | damn the church website is down! :( |
| 18:40.36 | Lopeppeppy | SHeeeeeeeeit. Firefox 3.6 has landed before we're patched for it. Frell on toast. |
| 18:40.40 | Ackis | do I have to wait 3 days for it to be up again? |
| 18:40.45 | Ackis | <-- going to hell |
| 18:41.18 | Lopeppeppy | bad monkey |
| 18:41.29 | Ackis | I'm just glad you got the joke |
| 18:48.22 | Dagmar | Kraps: You *do* have to find the guy again, which is sometimes problematic if you blink at the wrong time and don't know your way around Undercity |
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| 18:56.29 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: landed where? |
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| 18:58.20 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: I have a microphone port, yes. |
| 18:58.53 | alestane | Didn't you want to tell people to wait on 3.6, Lopeppeppy? |
| 19:01.40 | cbreak | patch for firefox? |
| 19:01.53 | Ackis | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ombudsman-blog/2010/03/two_men_kissing_part_2_the_cou.html?wprss=ombudsman-blog |
| 19:03.54 | DWSR | Win! |
| 19:04.00 | DWSR | literally. |
| 19:04.08 | DWSR | ~rimshot |
| 19:04.09 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 19:05.01 | Kraps | omg, i want to have Riptide's babies |
| 19:05.20 | alestane | Well, that was a jumbo chocolate sugar-shot. |
| 19:05.22 | DWSR | Don't you already have Riptide's babies? |
| 19:05.37 | DWSR | alestane: Don't you mean that was a jumbo sugar chocolate shot? |
| 19:05.52 | Kraps | idk, i need to ask her out first |
| 19:06.19 | DWSR | Oh, I thought you were talking about the shaman spell. |
| 19:06.21 | DWSR | *shrug* |
| 19:06.27 | alestane | Did you ever get anything from the Roma Bakery just off Woburn center, Peppy? |
| 19:06.46 | Kraps | but seriously, the difference between healing with Riptide and without it is night and day |
| 19:07.59 | Lopeppeppy | yes, NOM! |
| 19:08.04 | Lopeppeppy | ... back then anyway. |
| 19:09.53 | alestane | Just ate a brownie roughly the size of my hand. |
| 19:10.27 | Lopeppeppy | I first read "head" |
| 19:10.36 | Kraps | oh shit theres an NPC name Safron Reynolds! |
| 19:10.46 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. |
| 19:11.03 | alestane | That also would be an impressive brownie. |
| 19:11.17 | alestane | I can't imagine that being anything but a Firefly reference. |
| 19:11.20 | Lopeppeppy | better if it's frosted! |
| 19:11.27 | alestane | Oh, it was. |
| 19:12.19 | alestane | And anywhere else that would even sell you a brownie that size would charge four bucks for it at least. |
| 19:12.57 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I did. |
| 19:13.07 | Lopeppeppy | I was over-ruled, big smackdown festival. |
| 19:13.17 | DWSR | lol |
| 19:13.25 | Kraps | She sells poison supplies, go figure |
| 19:13.40 | alestane | Somehow I doubt this is making them even remotely contrite. |
| 19:14.03 | Lopeppeppy | cbreak, the CMS system popup system needed to be patched to deal with something that changed in Firefox 3.6. Don't ask me the details, but anyone with Firefox 3.6 can't edit on our CMS is the outcome. :) |
| 19:14.45 | cbreak | can I make fun of this-site-works-best-in-internetexplorer? :) |
| 19:14.49 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. And they put off the patching from this week (yesterday) to next week. So it's their fault that a) users weren't informed not to upgrade, b) that the patches weren't done before 3.6 went out on autopush from Mozilla. |
| 19:15.10 | Lopeppeppy | Cbreak, it's not the site, it's something arcane about the editing software. Site works groovy for end users. |
| 19:15.43 | cbreak | if it's HTML, it should work |
| 19:15.52 | cbreak | unless they butchered something terribly :/ |
| 19:16.37 | alestane | I believe there is also JS involved. |
| 19:17.13 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not sure, it's outside software. I'm not their programmer, I just went "hey, this doesn't work guys, where's our patch?" |
| 19:17.26 | Lopeppeppy | But yes, JS and ColdFusion and SQL and a whole bunch of other things. |
| 19:18.25 | cbreak | so probably stupid use of JavaScript :/ |
| 19:18.35 | cbreak | why do people insist on using that thing? |
| 19:18.58 | Lopeppeppy | To get the award for the most gratuitous use of the word "Belgium" in a screenplay, I'd imagine. |
| 19:20.06 | alestane | hugs Lopeppeppy. |
| 19:20.34 | Lopeppeppy | At this rate, I'm going to eat the whole tray of party brownies before I get to the party. |
| 19:20.47 | alestane | Party? |
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| 19:21.59 | Lunessa | ... I want brownies. and ice cream. And a vodka gimlet. |
| 19:22.21 | alestane | A drink that bores holes in things? |
| 19:22.28 | DWSR | vodka gimlet? |
| 19:22.58 | Lopeppeppy | Not party so much as "excuse to go sit in someone else's house for a while" |
| 19:23.06 | Lopeppeppy | I want vodka jello shots with my brownies. |
| 19:23.58 | alestane | Passion Fruit Jello shot made with Malibu rum? |
| 19:25.04 | DWSR | eww |
| 19:25.14 | DWSR | white rum's bleh. |
| 19:25.41 | alestane | I don't remember what exactly was in them but they were tasty. |
| 19:25.57 | alestane | The watermelon jello and apple puckers worked nicely too. |
| 19:26.31 | Lopeppeppy | Rum doesn't seem to do as well in jello shots as just plain vodka. But I'm open to trying new ones that someone feeds me. |
| 19:26.45 | Lopeppeppy | Today it is probably good that i'm not going out dancing, it would end poorly |
| 19:27.02 | Cide | why dance and drink when you can just drink? |
| 19:27.06 | alestane | With Peppy sitting dazedly on the ground? |
| 19:27.10 | Cide | ^ words of wisdom. |
| 19:27.47 | cog|work | Rootkit-Agent.DI and Trojan.reader_s successfully removed. *sigh* |
| 19:28.04 | cog|work | successful phishing attempt was successful -_- |
| 19:28.49 | Lopeppeppy | Um, no, alestane. |
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| 19:28.55 | DWSR | successful fail was successful....fail? |
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| 19:29.04 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch, cogwheel. *hugs* |
| 19:29.57 | Ackis | cog|work: http://www.bbspot.com/News/2010/03/3-strikes-laws.html the first one is for you |
| 19:31.51 | alestane | I keep thinking you should be able to sell the parrots in Un'Goro crater. |
| 19:31.54 | Dagmar | Oh great, Firefox now has support for personas |
| 19:32.27 | Dagmar | Why wait for crappy websites color themes to make you lose your eyesight when you can have the browser just do it directly. *sigh* |
| 19:32.40 | durcyn | firefox has had support for personas for some time, it's just wedged into the base build instead of an extension now |
| 19:32.46 | durcyn | also, it's ugly as piss. |
| 19:32.57 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... I didn't quite get how a persona was different from the themes, but didn't care enough to find out, either. |
| 19:33.05 | Lopeppeppy | I use a browser. Not bling. |
| 19:33.09 | Dagmar | Well, after digging through _many_ I found one that doesn't render half the screen illegible |
| 19:33.41 | Dagmar | Someone should go through and ditch all the ones that say, use a black background, and then dark grey toolbar text so that all you can see is the bloody white defocused drop shadow |
| 19:34.09 | Dagmar | ...and then dispatch someone to have the authors of those slapped, repeatedly. |
| 19:34.47 | Dagmar | Not indefinitely, just until they understand that _blurred text is not "stylish", it's dysfunctional_ |
| 19:35.25 | DWSR | Ackis: Win. :D |
| 19:39.42 | DWSR | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/7/spam_soul.html |
| 19:40.04 | alestane | Taste, unfortunately, is not enforceable. |
| 19:40.09 | DWSR | Dagmar |
| 19:40.20 | DWSR | Need an epic acapella plz. |
| 19:40.35 | DWSR | I have the instrument for the track that you hated so much in my mix, and I'm going to put an acappela over it. |
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| 19:41.55 | DWSR | s/ment/mental/ |
| 19:48.24 | Lunessa | Einstein - âAny man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves.â Yes sir, absolutely true. |
| 19:50.01 | alestane | I knew there was something I liked about the man. |
| 19:51.15 | DWSR | You mean besides General Relativity? |
| 19:51.55 | alestane | If we needed it that badly, someone would have figured it out. |
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| 19:53.44 | DWSR | alestane: It's not to say that they wouldn't have. |
| 19:53.49 | DWSR | It's just that he's the one who did. |
| 19:54.05 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/23767607129-mobile-authenticator-warning-message.html |
| 19:54.15 | Lopeppeppy | I have a similar theory about a similar activity. :) |
| 19:54.40 | DWSR | Kraps: Meh, just CYA. |
| 19:54.49 | alestane | I'm still unclear as to whether the theories of relativity actually answer anything, or simply furnish us with a whole new set of fields in which to speculate. |
| 19:54.55 | alestane | rawr, Peppy. |
| 19:55.11 | DWSR | alestane: A little from a, a little from b. |
| 20:00.05 | aqua | tourguide is gone? |
| 20:00.39 | DWSR | yes |
| 20:00.44 | DWSR | Tekkub sold the rights to it |
| 20:01.04 | Lunessa | When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity. |
| 20:01.04 | DWSR | You can still get the addon itself for free, but not the guides anymore. |
| 20:01.07 | aqua | i just erased all my addons ot reinstall it and didn't realize i could redownload it |
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| 20:01.13 | aqua | (couldn't |
| 20:01.22 | DWSR | aqua: You can still get it for free, thanks to Blizzard's Addons ToU. |
| 20:02.09 | aqua | its rebranded or something now as zygors ? |
| 20:02.17 | DWSR | yes. |
| 20:02.20 | aqua | if i understood teks website |
| 20:03.13 | DWSR | The Zygor's website seems to be claiming that they're the ones that invented this shit. |
| 20:03.25 | DWSR | You should see the website, it's actually pretty fucking hilarious |
| 20:03.28 | aqua | i wish i wouldn't have delieted my copy of it |
| 20:03.38 | aqua | oooooo |
| 20:03.48 | Lopeppeppy | Check your trash? |
| 20:04.05 | aqua | emptied |
| 20:04.35 | DWSR | Wait wait. |
| 20:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | Fubar. |
| 20:04.41 | DWSR | You can't get the ZygorGuides addon for free. |
| 20:04.48 | DWSR | Isn't that against Blizzard's policy? |
| 20:04.58 | Lopeppeppy | Is theirs an addon? |
| 20:05.02 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 20:05.33 | DWSR | ~addonpolicy |
| 20:05.38 | aqua | DWSR, thats part of the reason why i came in and asked, because they want money for it |
| 20:05.45 | DWSR | I'm reporting that shit. |
| 20:05.47 | DWSR | srsly. |
| 20:05.53 | alestane | I am unclear as to whether they are charging for the code, or for SavedVariables files. |
| 20:06.06 | foxlit | I don't think it matters, under that policy |
| 20:06.11 | Lopeppeppy | But go ahead and report them, let The Bliz sort it out. |
| 20:06.17 | foxlit | [On the other hand, I don't think they'll be able to enforce that policy anyway] |
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| 20:06.40 | Lopeppeppy | Not our problem. :) |
| 20:06.47 | alestane | I'm pretty sure the same doctrine of tortious interference that let them shoot down Glider can be applied. |
| 20:06.51 | aqua | so i'm gonna ask this, ikick me if you must, anyone have a copy of it on your hard drive? |
| 20:06.56 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 20:07.12 | DWSR | aqua: The mod is still freely distributatble. |
| 20:07.16 | Ackis | kicks aqua in the butt. |
| 20:07.17 | DWSR | distributable* |
| 20:07.18 | foxlit | alestane: that'd require some... changes. |
| 20:07.18 | Ackis | tehehe |
| 20:07.32 | DWSR | Again, it's covered under Blizzard's Addon Policies. |
| 20:07.38 | Lopeppeppy | attempts to move the channel away from 5 hours of IANAL bickering. :) |
| 20:08.04 | DWSR | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/ui.html <-- btw aqua |
| 20:08.04 | foxlit | alestane: you mentioned something about scrolling world frames? |
| 20:08.15 | DWSR | btw. |
| 20:08.25 | DWSR | All add-ons must be distributed free of charge. Developers may not create "premium" versions of add-ons with additional for-pay features, charge money to download an add-on, charge for services related to the add-on, or otherwise require some form of monetary compensation to download or access an add-on. <--- Definitely covers Zygor's. |
| 20:08.26 | aqua | i'm gonna go read that, and then google to find a copy of it |
| 20:08.27 | Ackis | coughs *carbonites* cough cough |
| 20:08.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh look, pretty birdies. |
| 20:09.02 | DWSR | yeah. |
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| 20:09.14 | DWSR | How can we report stuff, exactly? |
| 20:09.28 | alestane | foxlit: It was a random idea that came up when someone was talking about horizontal scroll frames. |
| 20:09.44 | Ackis | DWSR: there's an e-mail |
| 20:09.50 | foxlit | My old trick still works, though. |
| 20:09.57 | DWSR | It seems like it's a faq e-mail, more than a report e-mail. |
| 20:09.59 | DWSR | But yeah, I'll use it. |
| 20:10.25 | nevcairiel | waits for the answer beign "Yeah they checked with us and got an exception." |
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| 20:11.29 | aqua | version from 2009.. |
| 20:12.22 | aqua | anyone feel like pointing me in a direction i'll owe you a favor |
| 20:13.55 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I highly doubt it. |
| 20:14.00 | DWSR | aqua: Second, I'll upload it. |
| 20:14.05 | aqua | dwsr, thanks |
| 20:14.23 | nevcairiel | DWSR: why? they gave exceptions for other stuff, so i doubt they would block exceptions on that account |
| 20:14.43 | Lunessa | Facebook needs the following "buttons" on comments: Like, Dislike, Do Not Want, Smack Poster, Sexual Favors. |
| 20:14.51 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Exceptions for addons that are _purely_ for-pay? |
| 20:14.56 | DWSR | There's no way to get that addon free of charge. |
| 20:15.03 | Lopeppeppy | WoWUI@blizzard.com seems a good address. Let them argue it out. |
| 20:15.12 | DWSR | Not even the base addon with no guides.\ |
| 20:15.25 | Lopeppeppy | "You Deserved That" would be another good button, Lunessa. |
| 20:15.39 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 20:15.42 | DWSR | Carbonite has a _premium_ version, which I would argue is a little different, since you can get the free version, which still works. |
| 20:15.54 | nevcairiel | They even directly state on their website that they don't violate the addon policy |
| 20:15.57 | Ginji | omg, I'm actually waiting for the holiday bg to launch :*( |
| 20:16.02 | foxlit | DWSR: "Developers may not create "premium" versions of add-ons with additional for-pay features," |
| 20:16.17 | DWSR | foxlit: Yeah, I know it's technically against the rules. |
| 20:16.25 | DWSR | foxlit: I'm still pointing out that the situations are different. |
| 20:16.44 | foxlit | One is explicitly against the rules, while the other is questionably against the rules? |
| 20:16.47 | nevcairiel | rule is rule, cant claim that one half-sentence of a rule is more important, imho |
| 20:16.55 | DWSR | foxlit: No. |
| 20:17.02 | DWSR | I never claimed that Carbonite wasn't breaking the rules. |
| 20:17.07 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Don't know many lawyers, huh? |
| 20:17.15 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Of course you can. |
| 20:17.32 | aqua | when did tek do this? |
| 20:17.35 | DWSR | foxlit: If you'd like to keep telling yourself that you did, you're more than welcome. It is possible to be more wrong. |
| 20:17.40 | DWSR | aqua: About a month ago now, I think? |
| 20:18.06 | nevcairiel | Both violate the rules, but because the one violates another rule it should be insta-banned (because you want it), and the other can slide (because you don't care about it) ? :P |
| 20:18.16 | DWSR | nevcairiel: No, Carbonite should burn in the maker's fire. |
| 20:18.20 | DWSR | nevcairiel: It's a shit addon as well. |
| 20:18.37 | foxlit | DWSR: I'm sorry, I think you lost track of whatever it was that you're trying to say. "you did" appears to refer to nothing. |
| 20:18.39 | DWSR | However, I'm choosing to report this because it's new. Carbonite is pretty old hat. |
| 20:18.47 | Lunessa | The details are here: http://tekkub.net/2010/02/17/zygor.html |
| 20:19.01 | DWSR | foxlit: s/you/I/ |
| 20:19.02 | DWSR | Sorry |
| 20:19.25 | DWSR | aqua: @141.222.29.18 |
| 20:19.27 | DWSR | whoopsy. |
| 20:19.32 | DWSR | http://www.mediafire.com/?z4wt3cynemz |
| 20:19.34 | DWSR | There we go. |
| 20:19.43 | DWSR | That zip file has TourGuide + the WoWPro leveling guides in it. |
| 20:19.47 | DWSR | The guides are fantastic. |
| 20:19.49 | aqua | thanks |
| 20:20.01 | DWSR | You're quite welcome. |
| 20:21.08 | DWSR | This mailbox is used to submit feedback about the World of Warcraft UI Add-On Development Policy and report add-ons that currently violate the add-on policy. <-- Ah, good. |
| 20:21.10 | nevcairiel | You don't even know for sure that zygor is distributing TG yet |
| 20:21.29 | DWSR | nevcairiel: He's distributing an addon |
| 20:21.39 | DWSR | nevcairiel: It's irrelevant whether or not it's TG. |
| 20:21.49 | DWSR | To be frank, I don't really care whether or not it is, either. |
| 20:22.08 | nevcairiel | I still think it won't help, but have fun =) |
| 20:23.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 20:23.44 | nevcairiel | I still think if someone is dumb enough to pay for an addon, they should be allowed to pay |
| 20:24.21 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I sent a 30 second e-mail. |
| 20:24.27 | DWSR | I don't intend to pursue the matter further. |
| 20:24.46 | Shadowed | sp |
| 20:24.46 | Shadowed | so |
| 20:24.50 | Shadowed | I hear Adys got +q'd |
| 20:24.52 | DWSR | as long as TG continues to work, I really don't care that much |
| 20:24.55 | DWSR | :o |
| 20:24.56 | Shadowed | VOTE: DO I un -q him |
| 20:25.01 | DWSR | Hell no |
| 20:25.28 | nevcairiel | its been a day already, go -q him :p |
| 20:25.40 | DWSR | wait, when did he get +q'd? |
| 20:25.43 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q Adys!*@*] by Shadowed |
| 20:25.47 | Shadowed | What did you do Adys |
| 20:26.05 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23767607129&sid=1 << teehee |
| 20:26.07 | haste | > math.random() -- times 3 |
| 20:26.09 | NeoTron | I'm sort of thinking buying tourguide is a way to get it off the markert |
| 20:26.13 | nevcairiel | need to remove the second +q too |
| 20:26.19 | nevcairiel | silly EDI always adds two |
| 20:26.26 | NeoTron | since I'm pretty sure his addon already did that sort of stuff before no? |
| 20:26.34 | nevcairiel | yeah but it sucked |
| 20:26.36 | DWSR | NeoTron: It's irrelevant, in any case. |
| 20:26.37 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q *!*@unaffiliated/adys] by Shadowed |
| 20:26.40 | Shadowed | did that do it? |
| 20:26.45 | haste | yy |
| 20:26.49 | DWSR | Shadowed: Dude... |
| 20:26.55 | DWSR | Why'd you -q? |
| 20:27.03 | NeoTron | can't say I tried it |
| 20:27.07 | DWSR | It was nice being able to troll in peace. |
| 20:27.07 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q *!Adys@unaffiliated/adys] by Shadowed |
| 20:27.10 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: +q DWSR for a change :d |
| 20:27.11 | Shadowed | not sure what EDI set |
| 20:27.13 | Lunessa | Seerah|away: Holy heck woman! How do you follow chat with that window? http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw35938.jpg |
| 20:27.21 | nevcairiel | you know, you can list the current +q's, yes? |
| 20:27.25 | Shadowed | nevcairiel: Zee overlord would not be happy with me |
| 20:27.30 | Lopeppeppy | Who needs to follow chat? |
| 20:27.31 | Shadowed | I don't see the list in mIRC |
| 20:27.32 | nevcairiel | But i would be! |
| 20:27.34 | Lopeppeppy | But lovely set up, Seeerah! |
| 20:27.43 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.50 | DWSR | Seerah|away: That's a nice looking UI. What are you using for panels? |
| 20:27.50 | Shadowed | I don't trust you |
| 20:28.04 | nevcairiel | too bad |
| 20:28.18 | DWSR | nevcairiel: That wouldn't work. +q needs an argument. |
| 20:28.20 | Shirik | So I hear Adys was already -q |
| 20:28.24 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q *!*@unaffiliated/adys] by Shadowed |
| 20:28.27 | Shadowed | Dunno he said it didn't work |
| 20:28.28 | nevcairiel | DWSR: learn your IRC |
| 20:28.34 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: mIRC will never show the list, its not standard |
| 20:28.35 | DWSR | Shirik: Blame Shadowed. |
| 20:28.37 | Shadowed | see, that time I killed him |
| 20:28.41 | nevcairiel | +b/+q without argument shows the list |
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| 20:28.48 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Not on seven. |
| 20:28.51 | nevcairiel | sure it does |
| 20:28.57 | Shadowed | I still say you lie but |
| 20:29.02 | Gagorian | You must love spammers |
| 20:29.04 | Shadowed | oh hey you're right |
| 20:29.05 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Try reversing the parameters. |
| 20:29.13 | nevcairiel | ...? |
| 20:29.14 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q *!~Adys@*] by Shadowed |
| 20:29.15 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q *!~Adys@*] by Shirik |
| 20:29.16 | nevcairiel | I know it works |
| 20:29.20 | DWSR | Sorry, right. |
| 20:29.21 | Arrowmaster | but its '/mode #wowuidev +q' to see the list |
| 20:29.24 | Shadowed | it's mode #wowuidev +q |
| 20:29.27 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 20:29.28 | Shadowed | not /mode +q #wowuidev |
| 20:29.38 | nevcairiel | eh w/e, you knew what i meant :P |
| 20:29.45 | DWSR | /mode +q #wowuidev tries to set +q on the channel |
| 20:29.45 | Shirik | also, Shadowed, if you were in #wowuidev-ops you wouldn't have a problem figuring it out, but nooo |
| 20:29.49 | DWSR | Which is why it requires an argument. |
| 20:29.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Kandoko1 (~Kandoko@adsl-068-159-119-207.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:29.56 | Shadowed | wtf is in #wowuidev-ops |
| 20:29.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Kandoko (~Kandoko@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Kandoko) |
| 20:30.00 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:30.01 | Shadowed | oh |
| 20:30.02 | DWSR | Shadowed: srsly? |
| 20:30.06 | Shadowed | is that your cyber channel with your bots |
| 20:30.10 | nevcairiel | edi probably screams when someone gets banned |
| 20:30.12 | DWSR | The fail boat. |
| 20:30.18 | Shirik | nevcairiel: eir actually |
| 20:30.21 | Lopeppeppy | would ban DWSR for that. |
| 20:30.34 | DWSR | For WHAT? |
| 20:30.38 | Shadowed | Well Cairenn|afk is AFK Lopeppeppy.... |
| 20:30.43 | DWSR | I haven't been offensive to ANYONE |
| 20:30.44 | nevcairiel | for being you, and being canadian |
| 20:30.56 | DWSR | Just because you're mad that we beat you in gold medals and hockey. |
| 20:31.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 20:31.05 | DWSR | Doesn't mean you can be prejudiced against us. |
| 20:31.07 | DWSR | That's my job. |
| 20:31.08 | Shadowed | Adys try now |
| 20:31.12 | Adys | shadowed what the hell |
| 20:31.17 | Adys | you made my computer crash |
| 20:31.20 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 20:31.21 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 20:31.25 | Adys | kernel panic and shit |
| 20:31.30 | nevcairiel | do it again! |
| 20:31.31 | Arrowmaster | do it again Shadowed |
| 20:31.32 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+q *!~Adys@*] by Shadowed |
| 20:31.33 | DWSR | If we ever need Adys to stop trolling, we know what do to. |
| 20:31.36 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q *!~Adys@*] by Shadowed |
| 20:31.41 | DWSR | Wrong hostmask. |
| 20:31.43 | Adys | NOW I HAVE PROTECTION |
| 20:31.46 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 20:31.57 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/443320914 |
| 20:32.02 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+q *!*@unaffiliated/adys] by Shadowed |
| 20:32.05 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:32.05 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q *!*@unaffiliated/adys] by Shadowed |
| 20:32.08 | Shirik | I'm going to hurt you Shadowed |
| 20:32.13 | Adys | no |
| 20:32.14 | Shadowed | It's for science! |
| 20:32.17 | Adys | I'm going to hurt you |
| 20:32.23 | Shadowed | How did you kernel panic anywa |
| 20:32.24 | DWSR | Keep crying. :P |
| 20:32.33 | Adys | idk xchat froze everything |
| 20:32.37 | Shadowed | ~hug Shirik |
| 20:32.37 | purl | ACTION hugs Shirik tightly until Shirik turns slightly blue |
| 20:32.39 | Shadowed | that's awesome |
| 20:32.43 | DWSR | Adys: exchat. |
| 20:32.52 | Shirik | He hit alt+sysrq+k |
| 20:33.08 | Adys | alt-sysrq-b actually |
| 20:33.09 | Adys | but |
| 20:33.17 | Adys | i got frozen before |
| 20:33.38 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 20:33.39 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 20:35.03 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmdHvRxsty0&feature=topvideos slightly NSFW |
| 20:38.38 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/12/funny-pictures-postman-was-delicious/ |
| 20:39.18 | haste | AAAAaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 20:39.21 | haste | the comments :( |
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| 20:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | Never read the comments. It drops your IQ 10 points automatically |
| 20:42.13 | haste | I blame slashdot |
| 20:42.39 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/202/ |
| 20:43.58 | zenzelezz | hey now |
| 20:44.08 | zenzelezz | Slashdot comments aren't in lolspeak |
| 20:45.13 | Ackis | I keep on remembering stuff from my past that I've forgotten |
| 20:45.16 | Lopeppeppy | half of them aren't in legible language either though. |
| 20:45.22 | Ackis | I thought I was supposed to lose memories as I got older |
| 20:45.46 | haste | zenzelezz: well, the problem I was highlighting is that people don't read TFA, but the comments |
| 20:46.02 | haste | so you get kinda used to just going to the comments after the summary~ |
| 20:46.22 | haste | but on the hamburger site it has its price |
| 20:47.19 | zenzelezz | haste: ah |
| 20:47.46 | Ackis | http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/517624767_3901af0d56_b-copy.jpg?w=560&h=746 |
| 20:48.08 | zenzelezz | aww |
| 20:49.26 | DWSR | rofl Kraps |
| 20:49.43 | Shirik | "About one in every four Americans married or living with someone say they are so sleep-deprived that they are often too tired to have sex, according to a new study by the National Sleep Foundation. " http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/09/health/research/09beha.html?scp=2&sq=sleep&st=cse |
| 20:49.45 | Ackis | speaking of Kraps, guess what I just did? |
| 20:50.29 | zenzelezz | you did Kraps? Poor guy :( |
| 20:50.33 | Kraps | shut up ackis |
| 20:50.36 | *** part/#wowuidev Thaoky (Thaoky@91.181.47.159) |
| 20:50.46 | DWSR | Ok. |
| 20:50.50 | DWSR | Skipping optional bosses. |
| 20:50.56 | DWSR | (in heroics) |
| 20:50.58 | DWSR | Discuss. |
| 20:51.15 | Ackis | I'm sorry Kraps, it was a shitty joke |
| 20:51.25 | Lopeppeppy | What's to discuss? |
| 20:51.55 | alestane | Like Eck the Ferocious? They take such a short time to do it doesn't matter too much one way or the other, I think. |
| 20:52.05 | Lopeppeppy | Group leader decides. I never mind doing them. |
| 20:52.13 | alestane | They'll usually get killed just because people are in a sort of rut. |
| 20:52.35 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy Had a healer who refused to skip |
| 20:53.02 | alestane | Did they want something off the boss? Just the extra emblems? |
| 20:53.28 | DWSR | Just the EoT |
| 20:53.36 | DWSR | Refused to drop group until we kicked them. |
| 20:53.42 | DWSR | And wouldn't let us requeue for another player. |
| 20:53.48 | zenzelezz | EoT? |
| 20:53.58 | alestane | Emblems of Triumph. |
| 20:54.03 | zenzelezz | oh, doh |
| 20:54.16 | Lopeppeppy | That's no different than someone refusing to do a group that wont' skip. You get people on both ends. |
| 20:55.00 | alestane | While I know I've gotten grumpy because groups insist on skipping things to try and maximize their EPM, that's unduly obstructionist and they deserve to get kicked at that point. |
| 20:55.15 | mikma | Extra Penis Meter |
| 20:55.26 | alestane | Emblems Per Minute, in this case. |
| 20:55.42 | zenzelezz | mikma: I don't think multiple penises generally impresses anyone |
| 20:56.21 | alestane | It took me multiple tries to get a group that would kill Krystallus in HHoS, despite the fact that it takes about four minutes. |
| 20:56.32 | DWSR | alestane: He's such a shit boss. |
| 20:56.41 | alestane | And groups usually want to skip the Maiden of Grief, too, and that's even faster. |
| 20:56.45 | zenzelezz | that's what I like about being a tank; the group tends to go where I go |
| 20:57.03 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz: *purr* |
| 20:57.05 | alestane | My presumption is that I was grouped with people who were on their first run of the day for Frost. |
| 20:57.11 | DWSR | mhm |
| 20:58.31 | alestane | That and they swore to me that the instance would take 20 minutes longer if we did all bosses. |
| 20:59.03 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh, 20 minutes. |
| 20:59.13 | Lopeppeppy | These people dont' remember grinding their faces against Dire Maul. |
| 20:59.27 | alestane | Or Uldaman, which I recently reran. |
| 20:59.32 | foxlit | DM was short, really |
| 20:59.36 | foxlit | Unless you wanted to do all of it |
| 21:00.10 | alestane | But yeah, Peppy, they were like, "We can do Brann and Sjolnir in 30 minutes, or spend 40 doing the whole thing." |
| 21:00.21 | alestane | s/30/20/ |
| 21:00.26 | DWSR | You guys take 30 minutes to do H HoS? |
| 21:00.38 | DWSR | I've done it in ~15. |
| 21:00.41 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:00.42 | DWSR | It's OK |
| 21:00.43 | Lopeppeppy | Whippersnappers are spoiled to freakin' death by linear, quick-complete dungeons. |
| 21:00.53 | DWSR | I hate the instance. |
| 21:01.13 | DWSR | The whole instance can be completed in under 5 minutes if you skip Elder, Jedoga and the mushroom boss. |
| 21:01.17 | DWSR | Like, really. |
| 21:01.25 | alestane | If it were really linear they would have to do the whole thing. |
| 21:01.36 | DWSR | You can kill the Forgotten One in under 10 seconds. |
| 21:01.50 | Lopeppeppy | Linear as in, unlike some where you have to go here, there, double back, go somewhere else, jump down this... |
| 21:02.07 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: OK's pretty non-linear. |
| 21:02.07 | alestane | But yeah, Uldaman and Blackrock Depths were both intended to take at least two trips to finish. |
| 21:02.12 | zenzelezz | I got a bigger sense of satisfaction out of doing BRD than most of the newer instances |
| 21:02.17 | alestane | And to require exploration. |
| 21:02.46 | DWSR | BRD is from a time when instances were meant to take up your entire evening play time. |
| 21:02.47 | alestane | But then, I can actually find my way around BRD, Uldaman and Sunken Temple. |
| 21:03.24 | alestane | BRD was also designed around the possibility that it would be 10-manned. |
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| 21:03.46 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 21:04.38 | alestane | Also, didn't the first Molten Core runs have to be shuttled through BRD? |
| 21:04.53 | Cide | yes |
| 21:04.55 | Cide | it sucked |
| 21:05.05 | DWSR | yes. |
| 21:05.07 | DWSR | yes it did. |
| 21:05.11 | alestane | Could you get more than 10 people into BRD at once at launch? |
| 21:05.19 | DWSR | No |
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| 21:05.24 | Ackis | alestane: you could get 40 in |
| 21:05.25 | alestane | I started playing around 1.6. |
| 21:05.25 | DWSR | BRD's always been 5ma |
| 21:05.26 | DWSR | man* |
| 21:05.30 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:05.46 | alestane | DWSR: People used to raid it, that was what the emperor run was all about. |
| 21:06.01 | zenzelezz | I started on 1.8.4 :-( |
| 21:06.43 | Ackis | interesting, I just read about a WW2 spy who got war medals from both the British and Germans |
| 21:07.04 | alestane | Spies are often like that. |
| 21:07.07 | DWSR | rofl |
| 21:07.08 | foxlit | That man deserves a medal. |
| 21:07.15 | Ackis | foxlit: he got two of them :P |
| 21:07.22 | DWSR | "You got us." |
| 21:07.26 | DWSR | "Here's your medal" |
| 21:07.28 | zenzelezz | he was like "im in ur base recivin ur medals" |
| 21:07.30 | Ackis | Iron Cross and Member of the British Empire award |
| 21:07.32 | foxlit | Well, give him another! |
| 21:07.41 | Ackis | http://www.badassoftheweek.com/pujol.html |
| 21:08.37 | DWSR | Ackis: lol English fail. |
| 21:08.48 | DWSR | Doing it without so much as lifting a rifle is so badass that it. |
| 21:08.49 | DWSR | Nice. |
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| 21:10.10 | DWSR | I love the description though |
| 21:11.28 | alestane | Peppy: Or there are quest lines that expect you to go through multiple instances in different level brackets to complete them, like the Ancient Egg. |
| 21:12.13 | Lopeppeppy | Oh yeah. That one! |
| 21:12.20 | Lopeppeppy | F that noise. |
| 21:12.52 | alestane | And also used to required digging through an outdoor city entirely populated by elites, so it might as well be a dungeon. |
| 21:13.58 | alestane | (Uldaman didn't technically require two trips into the instance, but did involve swinging through all the dark irons outside, who were elite at the time.) |
| 21:14.44 | DWSR | Now Juan Pujol Garcia was like the Dungeon Master of World War II |
| 21:14.48 | DWSR | ^ rofl |
| 21:16.13 | Dagmar | Just a note |
| 21:16.40 | DWSR | The dungeon master of WW2. |
| 21:16.43 | Dagmar | If you are ever in charge of the physical security system for a building, card swipes, biometric readers and so on... DO NOT go with Receptors International |
| 21:16.43 | DWSR | Ackis: Where do you find this shit? |
| 21:16.54 | Dagmar | In fact, if your sales rep suggests them, slap the hell out of them |
| 21:17.12 | Ackis | DWSR: I have many RSS feeds |
| 21:17.29 | Dagmar | It's full on rage-face time here just trying to use their POS .NET software |
| 21:17.54 | Ackis | Point of Sale? |
| 21:18.26 | alestane | That's one possible expansion. |
| 21:18.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: Heroic Strike spam, IMO |
| 21:18.44 | Cide | periodically open-source? |
| 21:18.46 | DWSR | Need to dump that rage. |
| 21:19.21 | Lopeppeppy | Piece of shite. |
| 21:19.28 | alestane | Did ZF with a warrior tank earlier today and he was typically over 50-60 rage. |
| 21:19.45 | alestane | I kept wanting to shout, "Cleave, man, cleave!" |
| 21:19.54 | DWSR | alestane: lol |
| 21:19.59 | DWSR | I love raid tanking. |
| 21:19.59 | Cide | where's the cleavage man? |
| 21:20.05 | DWSR | Boss hits me once, full RP bar. |
| 21:20.09 | Dagmar | Not Point of Sale... Piece of Shit |
| 21:20.12 | DWSR | I'm like ..... lolreally? |
| 21:20.17 | DWSR | FSx3. |
| 21:21.12 | Lopeppeppy | Every time we talked about our register system in my retail store, I always mentally translated POS from Point of Sale to Piece of Shit. No one got the joke. |
| 21:21.14 | alestane | FS? |
| 21:21.32 | alestane | Over and Bunns & Noodle, Peppy? |
| 21:21.38 | DWSR | alestane: Frost Strike. |
| 21:21.47 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: hehehe |
| 21:21.55 | Lopeppeppy | The very place, alestane |
| 21:22.04 | alestane | I was tempted to think the same thing dealing with ours, but again, not something you share with everyone. |
| 21:22.17 | alestane | Sorry, DWSR, thought you were still talking about warriors. |
| 21:22.28 | DWSR | alestane: RP dude. :P |
| 21:22.59 | alestane | Not inconceivable to think someone might refer to rage points. |
| 21:23.45 | alestane | Just passed a troll named Shamzilla. |
| 21:24.50 | DWSR | lol |
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| 21:29.05 | alestane | It still blows me away that we used to work across the street from each other. |
| 21:29.45 | Lopeppeppy | I win! 21! |
| 21:29.57 | alestane | Blackjack? |
| 21:30.06 | Lopeppeppy | Quitting time! Bye bye! |
| 21:30.15 | alestane | Ah, that's what you win, escape. |
| 21:30.46 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: that site sucks, it doesnt seem its mentioned Inouye in the past |
| 21:34.06 | DWSR | Wait. |
| 21:34.11 | DWSR | You can earn the Victoria's Cross TWICE? |
| 21:34.41 | DWSR | How the everloving fuck do you get it twice? Don't you have to be dead the first time? |
| 21:36.23 | Thunder_Child | no more than you have to be dead to get the Medal of honor |
| 21:36.30 | alestane | DWSR: is that an obstacle to earning it again? |
| 21:36.59 | *** join/#wowuidev freite (~freite@c83-250-31-85.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 21:37.21 | Thunder_Child | but it is usually awarded posthumously |
| 21:37.48 | Zyonin | Good night channel, it's sleepy time for me |
| 21:39.33 | Adys | anyone got chrome? |
| 21:39.36 | DWSR | yes |
| 21:39.38 | Adys | http://crbug.com/31425 |
| 21:39.41 | Adys | try reproduce this |
| 21:39.43 | Adys | (takes 2 clicks) |
| 21:39.54 | Adys | theres a screenshot at the bottom |
| 21:40.13 | mikma | tekkub: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/80460462.jpg |
| 21:40.26 | Kraps | http://xkcd.com/198/ |
| 21:40.44 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: he's always doing new people, suggest it to him :P |
| 21:40.52 | tekkub | mikma: this one's still better: http://www.geekstir.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/goodneweveryone.jpg |
| 21:41.08 | mikma | fisker: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/1_song-chart-memes-have-girlfriend.jpg |
| 21:41.10 | Taroven | Random question. I know I can get the numeric slotID for an equipment slot on the char sheet using GetInventorySlotInfo("slotName"), but is it possible to do the reverse? ie, find the slotName using a slotID? |
| 21:41.17 | mikma | tekkub: ya |
| 21:41.22 | Taroven | (I'd assume yes, but I can't find the function for the life of me) |
| 21:41.28 | DWSR | Adys: Confirmed. |
| 21:41.46 | Adys | DWSR: can you paste me your user agent from about: ? |
| 21:41.53 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/johnny_depp.jpg |
| 21:42.30 | Adys | Taroven: http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/js/definitions/wow.js |
| 21:42.40 | Adys | SLOTS = { |
| 21:42.41 | DWSR | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/5.0.317.2 Safari/532.9 |
| 21:42.43 | Adys | that line |
| 21:43.03 | Taroven | Perfect, thankies Adys |
| 21:43.26 | Adys | Taroven: if you want the official function though, uhm i guess there might be a globalstring SLOT1 SLOT2 or something |
| 21:43.45 | Taroven | Adys: Actually... not perfect. |
| 21:44.07 | Taroven | I'll check a few random globals, but I need something according to macro conditions |
| 21:44.08 | DWSR | Adys: You get it? |
| 21:44.19 | Adys | DWSR: nope, thats whats weird |
| 21:44.24 | Adys | do you have any extension installed? |
| 21:45.31 | Taroven | Adys: I need the reverse of this. http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetInventorySlotInfo |
| 21:46.25 | Adys | ah.. |
| 21:46.25 | Adys | try this |
| 21:46.25 | Taroven | I can hardcode it, but that's a pain in the ass I feel like avoiding |
| 21:46.25 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.30 | alestane | Here's a quote for you, DWSR: "my history teacher totally just suggested that we record his lectures and play drinking games with them later so that we pay attention to the material." |
| 21:46.31 | Adys | er |
| 21:46.33 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.46 | DWSR | alestane: ROFL |
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| 21:47.46 | Adys | adys@azura:~/wow$ strings Wow.exe | grep Trinket1 -i |
| 21:47.46 | Adys | TRINKET1SLOT |
| 21:47.46 | Adys | TRINKET1SLOT_UNIQUE |
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| 21:48.30 | Taroven | Adys: Getting there... |
| 21:48.57 | Taroven | Adys: Meh, screw it, I'll just hardcode it if there's no existing function. |
| 21:49.29 | Adys | doesnt TRINKET1SLOT work? |
| 21:50.01 | Taroven | Adys: Yes, but it won't fill the immediate need. |
| 21:50.08 | Adys | why not? |
| 21:50.38 | Adys | slotId = _G[slot:upper()] |
| 21:51.35 | Taroven | I don't think _G[upper(13)] is gonna return much of anything useful =P |
| 21:52.03 | Shadowed | why are you trying to uppercase a number |
| 21:52.04 | Adys | .. huh |
| 21:52.04 | Shadowed | good job Adys! |
| 21:52.09 | Taroven | =P |
| 21:52.13 | Adys | you said you wanted the reverse of that function |
| 21:52.16 | Adys | i just gave you that |
| 21:52.17 | Adys | :P |
| 21:52.24 | Taroven | Yes. Trying to find the slot name of a given slot ID. |
| 21:52.41 | Adys | !api inventoryslot |
| 21:52.42 | lua_bot | GetInventorySlotInfo: Returns information about an inventory slot (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetInventorySlotInfo) |
| 21:53.21 | Taroven | GetInventorySlotInfo(13) = Invalid inventory slot in GetInventorySlotInfo |
| 21:53.30 | Taroven | =P |
| 21:53.36 | Taroven | You misunderstand. |
| 21:54.28 | Adys | right |
| 21:54.28 | Taroven | I need something that returns "Trinket0Slot" for the number 13. |
| 21:54.34 | Adys | .. right |
| 21:54.49 | Taroven | Which GetInventorySlotInfo is the exact opposite of. |
| 21:54.50 | Adys | just use the js i linked and change the names by the ones on that page |
| 21:54.59 | Adys | or oh, wait |
| 21:55.08 | Adys | you might need to add a few idk |
| 21:55.23 | Taroven | That list is nothing like the list I'm trying to pull from =P |
| 21:55.34 | Taroven | On to hardcoding! |
| 21:55.54 | Seerah | Lunessa: the chat frame changed size when clicking on it |
| 21:56.33 | Seerah | new UI has a regular size chat frame. |
| 21:56.51 | Lunessa | Seerah: Gotcha. This might explain why I have to do things that cause a box to pop to get you attention. :P |
| 21:57.11 | Seerah | DWSR: panels are kgPanels (quest tracker is Who Framed Watcher Wabbit?) |
| 21:57.33 | Lunessa | Which is a very nice addon. :D Good work on that. :) |
| 21:57.37 | Seerah | no :p My OCD'ness and ability to zone out when coding or questing is taht :p |
| 21:57.44 | Arrowmaster | Taroven: are you doing this ingame? if so you can just create your own map table by calling GetInventorySlotInfo for each of the valid names |
| 21:57.46 | foxlit | local text = _G[strupper(strsub(self:GetName(), 10))]; |
| 21:58.13 | foxlit | Except of course that still doesn't do what you want. |
| 21:58.16 | DWSR | Seerah: Can you send me the textures? |
| 21:59.04 | Seerah | the bg texture is in SharedMedia-Blizzard (or will be if it's not in the current file on wowi - ie, it's a game texture), and the border texture is..... sec |
| 21:59.15 | Seerah | swirly is from the couture UI |
| 22:00.12 | Taroven | ArrowMaster: I have a kinda complicated idea for how that would work. I'm just writing out a reference table to be done with it. |
| 22:00.29 | Seerah | border texture is from Couture UI also |
| 22:01.34 | DWSR | I was liking the swirlies on the outside of your panels. |
| 22:02.22 | Seerah | DWSR: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13636-CoutureUI1920x1080.html |
| 22:03.32 | Lunessa | So - *IF* I were going to get a console, which console would most people here suggest? |
| 22:03.56 | Seerah | it totally depends on what games you want to play |
| 22:04.09 | Seerah | if you want mario, zelda, etc. then go for a wii. |
| 22:04.38 | Lunessa | Yeah, not a mario kinda guy. Got sick of him in the Donkey Kong Arcade game. |
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| 22:05.06 | Seerah | we've been playing Super Mario Wii :) |
| 22:05.30 | Shirik | .... |
| 22:05.36 | Shirik | I think my computer is trying to talk to me |
| 22:05.46 | Lunessa | I suppose, really, I should ask - what games are people really enjoying, and what console do I need to play them. |
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| 22:05.52 | Seerah | I think you need to get some sleep or go out for a walk, Shirik.... |
| 22:05.52 | Shirik | http://pastey.net/134121-459k |
| 22:06.01 | Lunessa | Shirik: When was the last time you slept? |
| 22:06.34 | Seerah | Shirik: your computer misspelled hello |
| 22:06.43 | Seerah | it must not be a very smart computer... |
| 22:07.30 | Seerah | Lunessa: what's the last console game that you played and enjoyed? |
| 22:08.05 | Lunessa | Seerah: Ummm.... A Forgotten Realms thingy for PS2. 7 years ago. |
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| 22:08.42 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:08.52 | DWSR | Seerah: Super Mario Bros. Wii |
| 22:09.01 | DWSR | Twilight Princess is also really good. |
| 22:09.22 | Zasurus | Hi. :-) |
| 22:09.33 | Seerah | DWSR: yes, brothers :) |
| 22:10.29 | Seerah | Lunessa: have a look around here if you like: http://www.gamespy.com/ :) |
| 22:10.48 | Zasurus | Does anyone know of a lua code formater/indenter? So I can reformat lua e.g. remove/add tabs charage returns etc to make the code readable? |
| 22:12.15 | Arrowmaster | vim |
| 22:12.22 | DWSR | Eclipse can do that. |
| 22:12.57 | foxlit | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.wow.com/media/2010/03/pardo-whatisthefantasy.jpg << what's the screenshot? |
| 22:13.03 | Lunessa | So, basically - I'm look at lots of shooters, japanese/korean style RPGs, and rocknband stuff? |
| 22:13.19 | foxlit | Looks like reliquary of souls, but it's really too dark to see :/ |
| 22:14.29 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: 360 or ps3, figure out which one has the console exclusives you are interested in |
| 22:15.12 | Arrowmaster | if you want online multiplayer and there are no exclusives that interest you, then 360 over ps3 |
| 22:15.17 | A-KO | I generally say the xbox 360, but the ps3's lower price makes it pretty attractive as an alternative. If you want key titles like god of war 3, heavy rain, definitely a ps3.... |
| 22:15.30 | A-KO | 360 definitely has the better online multiplayer |
| 22:15.49 | DWSR | Like God of War but. |
| 22:16.29 | DWSR | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1516-Aliens-vs-Predator |
| 22:16.31 | Seerah | PS3 also has the blue ray player, if that would be a bonus for you |
| 22:16.39 | Lunessa | Bear in mind that I haven't played a non-PC game since 2003. |
| 22:16.56 | Lunessa | And a non-MMO other than Civ is longer. |
| 22:17.21 | Seerah | I love the Wii stuff, personally, though some games are "better" on the XBox than the Wii. |
| 22:17.33 | Arrowmaster | one bad thing about ps3 though is that if you want to use an hdmi to dvi cable with it, whatever you are using as the display must support HDCP, which is why im stuck with a shitty lower than SD quality signal with my ps3 |
| 22:17.59 | Seerah | I'd say get an XBox... Their prices have gone down recently, too. |
| 22:18.27 | Arrowmaster | if you get a 360 get one with a harddrive |
| 22:18.30 | Ackis | a PS3 is a rootkit for your living room! |
| 22:18.31 | Arrowmaster | and bigger is better |
| 22:19.11 | Adys | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/3/12/bar-mitzvah/ |
| 22:19.15 | Seerah | They've got 250GB now, but that's way more than enough. |
| 22:19.19 | Lunessa | *nod* I'm going to be plugging it into to my TV/Monitor |
| 22:19.37 | Lunessa | If I get one at all. |
| 22:19.41 | Arrowmaster | Seerah: my 250gb only has 70gb free now |
| 22:19.56 | Ackis | you bought a 250 gig system |
| 22:19.58 | Ackis | ? |
| 22:20.01 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 22:20.05 | Arrowmaster | i had to get a new one |
| 22:20.08 | foxlit | http://www.wow.com/photos/rob-pardo-gdc-making-a-standard-and-sticking-to-it/full/#2793562 << "Shield Battery" is totally not a unit. Cheaters. |
| 22:21.53 | DWSR | fail |
| 22:22.18 | DWSR | http://www.wow.com/photos/rob-pardo-gdc-making-a-standard-and-sticking-to-it/full/#2793565 |
| 22:22.19 | DWSR | YES |
| 22:22.39 | Seerah | hubby had one of the old elite's I bought him over 3 years ago. He brought home FF on Tuesday, and it started to red ring. He had plendy of HD space left, so he just got an arcade and transferred the HD |
| 22:23.32 | Arrowmaster | Seerah: he could have gotten it replaced for $99 |
| 22:23.43 | Seerah | gotten what replaced? |
| 22:23.49 | Arrowmaster | the 360 |
| 22:23.57 | Ackis | MS has a 3 year warranty for RROD |
| 22:24.03 | Arrowmaster | they charge $99 for out of warranty service |
| 22:24.47 | Arrowmaster | they wanted to charge me $99 to fix my ORIGINAL RELEASE DAY 360 after one of their mandatory updates bricked it |
| 22:24.50 | Lunessa | MAKE EVERYTHING OVERPOWERED! |
| 22:24.52 | Seerah | ah, he wasn't aware of that. he watched a few videos on how to repair it, etc. but he just decided to buy one. He was just burning to play his new game. |
| 22:25.08 | Arrowmaster | well arcades are only what $199? |
| 22:25.12 | Seerah | yeah |
| 22:25.52 | Ackis | futureshit is selling refurbashed ones for 130 I think |
| 22:26.03 | Dagmar | Check craigslist |
| 22:26.07 | Arrowmaster | yeah when mine was bricked i had been considering getting a new 250gb model previously because the 20gb model just isnt enough |
| 22:26.14 | foxlit | Wonder why the SC2 client masks the authenticator code |
| 22:26.16 | Lunessa | http://www.wow.com/photos/rob-pardo-gdc-making-a-standard-and-sticking-to-it/full/#2793555 |
| 22:26.17 | Ackis | "To my friends in Canada: Hit up your local Walmart and grab an Xbox 360 for $128 http://bit.ly/cxAUjl (page 11 of flyer)" |
| 22:26.37 | Dagmar | There's generally at least one jackass in every city putting pirate firmware on XBoxes for $50-75, but they'll reflash a bricked one with legit firmware for even less |
| 22:26.51 | DWSR | holy shit Ackis |
| 22:27.28 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: the pirate firmware is the dvd drive firmware, not what gets bricked by a fucked up live update |
| 22:27.43 | Ackis | I want to get a datatransfer kit so I can copy shit to my PC to back things up |
| 22:28.19 | Arrowmaster | seriously thinks there should be consumer protection laws for these mandatory updates bricking hardware |
| 22:28.37 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Considering that I flag the guys every time they mention "backedup games" here they're also talking about undoing RRODs and stuff |
| 22:28.54 | Dagmar | I just desperately need a snack so I can string a sentence together. |
| 22:29.19 | Dagmar | I have been on the phone with some tech support morons for the last three hours and their stupid has depleted my brane |
| 22:30.19 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: ive got a data transfer kit, havent tried using it with my pc yet though because the 3rd party software is windows only |
| 22:30.52 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: And you don't have Wine? |
| 22:30.52 | Ackis | did you get one that transfers from a memory card to PC or the hard drive to the PC? |
| 22:31.26 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: harddrive, ive got the legit data transfer kit for upgrading the harddrive |
| 22:31.33 | Ackis | ah |
| 22:31.51 | DWSR | anyone here using the Steam Beta UI and using the overlay on top of WoW? |
| 22:32.04 | Ackis | I was thinking of getting http://us.xploder.net/products/235/Xploder-Xbox-360-Cheats-System-&-Transfer-Cable-Bundle.htm / http://us.xploder.net/products/158/Xploder-Xbox-360-Cheats-System-------1999-----.htm (comes with software and cable) and then grabbing a memory card as well |
| 22:32.51 | DWSR | Magdar! |
| 22:34.30 | DWSR | Dagmar |
| 22:34.35 | DWSR | Do you have a suggestion for an acapella? |
| 22:34.42 | DWSR | acapella(sp?) |
| 22:34.42 | batbot | DWSR, a Capella, a-Capella, Capella. |
| 22:34.47 | DWSR | fail batbot. |
| 22:36.24 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: http://us.codejunkies.com/support/article.aspx?article_id=272 is the software that works with the harddrive data transfer kit |
| 22:36.45 | Dagmar | DWSR: If you could filter out the unnecessary bits and use the lyrics from God Module's "Let's Go Dark", you would ascend to godhood. http://www.google.com/search?q=god+module+let's+go+dark |
| 22:37.06 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: and is probably the same thing that what you linked will include |
| 22:37.17 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: yeah I've seen that before, I didn't really know what to get |
| 22:37.30 | Ackis | the stuff I linked makes gamesaving "automatic" (not that I care) |
| 22:37.31 | DWSR | unnecessary bits? |
| 22:38.16 | Ackis | I don't suppose you have one of the datel memory cards? |
| 22:38.31 | Arrowmaster | no, those were killed by a live update anyway |
| 22:38.59 | Ackis | yes and no... but some dude on ebay had a statement saying that they have a "new version" which works |
| 22:38.59 | Arrowmaster | and i would never trust anything 'automatic' |
| 22:39.08 | Shirik | Is there a word meaning "success-ness"? |
| 22:39.14 | Shirik | Degree of success? |
| 22:39.26 | DWSR | no |
| 22:39.39 | Shirik | Well then I hereby decree that successness is now a word |
| 22:40.05 | Ackis | And I hereby declare Shirik to be a synonym of moron! |
| 22:41.37 | Dagmar | Who do you think you are? Steven Colbert? |
| 22:43.06 | Dagmar | You can't just go around making up your own words. It's the Webster's people's job to do that. It'll put them out of business. |
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| 22:43.26 | Dagmar | Then the Random House Publishers will lobby Congress to put a tax on speech to make up the difference |
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| 22:44.27 | Shirik | cog|work, you around? |
| 22:45.31 | Shirik | nm |
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| 22:49.42 | Shirik | Has anyone here worked with sqlite before? Is there any "more preferred" way to execute queries than sqlite_exec? |
| 22:50.56 | Dagmar | Yeah, using something that lets you template |
| 22:51.05 | Ackis | hahah future mom-in-law just sent me a job posting where she lives |
| 22:52.42 | Dagmar | Shirik: Glancing at their docs, it looks like sqlite_compile does the saner thing |
| 22:53.06 | Dagmar | I could be wrong tho |
| 22:53.40 | Dagmar | I'm just pathologically averse to ever setting query arguments and the query itself in the same stroke (for good reason) |
| 22:54.18 | DWSR | Dagmar: Got a link to the instrumental? |
| 22:54.26 | DWSR | I can reverse the acapela out of the instrumental. |
| 22:54.28 | DWSR | err. |
| 22:54.33 | DWSR | out of the original + instrumental. |
| 22:55.40 | Dagmar | dwsr: Nah I just recently found the name of the damn song actually |
| 23:02.54 | Fisker | this pisses me off |
| 23:02.57 | Fisker | According to a report from Mashable, Apple has already sold over 50,000 iPad devices within the first two hours of being available for pre-order. |
| 23:03.44 | Fisker | If Jobs made a device containing synthetic shit based on his excrements, people would still buy it |
| 23:04.55 | cbreak | I doubt it |
| 23:05.05 | DWSR | I don't. |
| 23:05.07 | Ackis | mmmm excrements |
| 23:05.13 | Ackis | nom om omomomomom |
| 23:05.18 | Ackis | tastes like |
| 23:05.20 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 23:05.28 | Fisker | ipad is the worst piece of shit Apple ever made |
| 23:05.34 | DWSR | holy shit. |
| 23:05.41 | cbreak | you haven't seen the first iMac mouse |
| 23:05.46 | DWSR | Apparently I've played 15681035 hours in the last 2 weeks. |
| 23:05.51 | Fisker | I'm sure that Jobs could sell a turddispenser if he wanted to |
| 23:06.21 | Ackis | hmm |
| 23:06.28 | Ackis | apparently it's going to be a "back waxing" weekend |
| 23:08.56 | Fisker | There's nothing i hate more than social networking sites, but apple |
| 23:09.18 | Ackis | ohh |
| 23:09.18 | Fisker | Social networking sites is a slap in the face |
| 23:09.21 | Ackis | creates iPeople |
| 23:09.23 | Fisker | Apple is a nuke over hiroshima |
| 23:09.47 | Fisker | (provided i would be living in close enough proximity to get radiation and die a slow death) |
| 23:10.04 | cbreak | you'd get super powers |
| 23:10.09 | Fisker | i wish |
| 23:10.12 | cbreak | ALL HAIL APPLE AND THEIR SUPER POWER PRODUCING NUKE! |
| 23:10.25 | Fisker | that's why they tell everyone else they can't make nukes |
| 23:10.32 | Fisker | i'm gonna report apple to the ftc |
| 23:10.49 | cbreak | "Sir, they stole my nuke!"? |
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| 23:17.39 | Adys | amro: ping |
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| 23:27.38 | Shirik | ok regex gurus, have fun with this one |
| 23:27.48 | Shirik | I need to find the first ? that is not inside quotes |
| 23:28.00 | Shirik | That is, "blah ? foo" shouldn't match (with quotes) |
| 23:28.03 | Shirik | but if you take out the quotes, it should |
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| 23:29.32 | DWSR | easy. |
| 23:29.37 | Iriel | Ugh, it's WET outside. |
| 23:29.39 | DWSR | ".*?.*" |
| 23:29.41 | DWSR | err. |
| 23:29.44 | DWSR | escape the ? |
| 23:29.58 | Iriel | runs from the ? |
| 23:29.59 | DWSR | wow |
| 23:30.02 | DWSR | Sorry, one second. |
| 23:30.04 | DWSR | blah. |
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| 23:30.18 | DWSR | [^"].*\?.*[^"] |
| 23:30.34 | Shirik | that doesn't seem like it would work |
| 23:30.52 | Shirik | Imagine: "hello world" ? |
| 23:30.56 | Shirik | it wouldn't match the ? |
| 23:31.01 | Caleb| | thats matching the whole line |
| 23:31.19 | Shirik | I don't care about whether or not the whoel line is matched, I can add subcaptures |
| 23:31.52 | Shirik | Iriel: Want a challenge? |
| 23:32.22 | Iriel | Shirik: You know the answer to that |
| 23:32.27 | DWSR | Shirik: yes it would. |
| 23:32.56 | Shirik | Iriel: Regex to find a ? that is not inside quotes |
| 23:33.13 | Shirik | DWSR: Now that I think about it, it would match "foo ? bar" |
| 23:33.23 | Shirik | it just wouldn't match the quotes part |
| 23:33.26 | Iriel | Hm, are there any limits on the number of quotes? |
| 23:33.29 | DWSR | Yes, just noticed. |
| 23:33.34 | Shirik | Iriel: Only one level of nesting, if that's what you're asking |
| 23:33.52 | Iriel | Can I have "abc" def "ghi" jkl "m?" |
| 23:34.04 | Shirik | yes (thouggh that shouldn't match because the ? is in quotes |
| 23:34.07 | Iriel | (that obviously shouldnt' match, if any NUMBER of quotes are allowed) |
| 23:34.22 | Iriel | Which RE implementation? |
| 23:34.25 | Shirik | pcre |
| 23:35.17 | Shirik | I think I found a solution |
| 23:35.31 | Shirik | It will find the first ? |
| 23:35.36 | Shirik | ^(?:[^"]|"[^"]*")*?(\?) |
| 23:36.42 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt you be using the whatever its called to matched balanced quotes |
| 23:36.52 | Shirik | the whatever its called? |
| 23:36.58 | Arrowmaster | %b in lua's pattern matching |
| 23:37.05 | Shirik | does that exist in pcre? |
| 23:37.06 | Iriel | Does that work for identical open and close? |
| 23:37.21 | Iriel | i.e. in "a"b"c" is b double-nested or un-nested? |
| 23:37.39 | Shirik | in my case, b is to be considered outside of quotes |
| 23:38.12 | Iriel | Shirik: I know that, I wanted to know what %b would do |
| 23:38.14 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:38.42 | Dagmar | You wants a non-greedy match? |
| 23:38.44 | Dagmar | Communist. |
| 23:39.10 | Wobin | It is the -people's- match |
| 23:39.12 | Iriel | Wouldn't it be easiest to just write a match for 'stuff not in quotes' then iterate to see if any contain ?? |
| 23:39.24 | Dagmar | A regexp has a *right* to match as much as it possibly can! |
| 23:39.26 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 23:39.27 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 23:39.41 | foxlit | "I did some investigating, and it has something to do with Bartender 4. If I turn it off, I don't get the bug. When I turn it on, I get the bug. " |
| 23:39.43 | Dagmar | Iriel: Acutally there's a way to make 'em non-greedy |
| 23:39.58 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 23:40.02 | foxlit | balanced expressions exists in PCRE |
| 23:40.03 | Fisker | do you hate me? :( |
| 23:40.11 | Dagmar | It shouldn't be an issue the way that one was constructed tho |
| 23:40.12 | Shirik | Iriel: The problem is I need to do a replace |
| 23:40.13 | foxlit | However, that syntax is going to murder your grandmother. |
| 23:40.22 | Shirik | I'm hoping to use the pcre_replace |
| 23:41.14 | foxlit | ^ I wonder how Bartender handles its bindings |
| 23:41.54 | Iriel | AH.. I found a RE that does 'detection' |
| 23:41.56 | Iriel | but it's inverted |
| 23:41.59 | Iriel | so it doesn't help you |
| 23:42.07 | Iriel | It's: /^(?:[^?"]*\"[^\"]*\")*[^?"]*$/ |
| 23:42.44 | Shirik | similar to my solution :) |
| 23:43.01 | Dagmar | That one won't stop at your grandmoterh. |
| 23:43.12 | Dagmar | It's likely to go after your aunts and uncles, too |
| 23:43.22 | Ginji | greedy bastard |
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| 23:44.17 | Iriel | Hm.. let me read the pcre_replace docs |
| 23:45.08 | foxlit | Not that %b would work |
| 23:45.13 | foxlit | Your opening and closing chars are identical. |
| 23:46.38 | foxlit | Trivial DFA, though |
| 23:46.55 | Iriel | This seems to work... at least for catching ONE |
| 23:47.02 | Iriel | Shirik: can there be more than one ? |
| 23:47.20 | Shirik | yes, but irrelevant, I can just repetitively call the replace until there are none left |
| 23:47.51 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.53 | Iriel | There you go |
| 23:47.55 | Iriel | that works in perl |
| 23:48.00 | Shirik | um |
| 23:48.01 | Shirik | :/ |
| 23:48.08 | Shirik | Did you miss that I already had a solution? :( |
| 23:48.20 | Shirik | I didn't mean to make you do unnecessary extra work |
| 23:48.41 | Iriel | It's wrong |
| 23:48.46 | Wobin | Yes, but Iriel wanted to do it -right- =) |
| 23:48.47 | Shirik | however your solution is interesting as well, it doesn't require backtracking |
| 23:48.47 | Iriel | the one you posted earlier, anyway |
| 23:48.51 | Shirik | what's wrong with it? |
| 23:49.12 | Wobin | Shirik, have you used Expresso? |
| 23:49.13 | Iriel | Oh, i see it's just really inefficient instead |
| 23:49.14 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 23:49.16 | Shirik | Wobin: no |
| 23:49.20 | Wobin | go grab it |
| 23:49.22 | Shirik | Iriel: Yeah :) |
| 23:49.46 | Wobin | it's a free registration, but it's very useful for regex |
| 23:49.55 | Iriel | Otherwise we did converge on the same solution |
| 23:50.07 | Iriel | I dont think it's possible to do better because you cant do 'counting' without a ^ or $ anchor |
| 23:50.08 | Shirik | what's with the [?] at the end though? |
| 23:50.22 | Wobin | match |
| 23:50.24 | Iriel | It's the same as your \? |
| 23:50.24 | Wobin | '?' ? |
| 23:50.28 | Shirik | ah |
| 23:50.30 | Iriel | I just find [x] more explicit |
| 23:50.39 | Wobin | bowchikabow-wow |
| 23:50.56 | Iriel | I like to be able to come back and understand my RE's later |
| 23:51.01 | Shirik | ha |
| 23:51.02 | Iriel | So I'm generally fairly consistent |
| 23:51.10 | Shirik | regexes aren't meant to be read |
| 23:51.11 | Dagmar | [^?"] (and at the risk of being derivative... ? |
| 23:51.21 | Iriel | I find I can mentally identify [.] as meaning "literally ." better than \, |
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| 23:52.00 | Dagmar | Iriel: Strangely, I find \. works even better |
| 23:52.23 | Iriel | Dagmar: to each his/her own 8-) I wouldn't complain if I saw \. in someone's code |
| 23:52.48 | Iriel | Dagmar: Well, you dont want to accidently match a ? in the chaff, it helps avoid errors and in theory it makes the RE more efficient |
| 23:53.47 | Dagmar | Okay. I wasn't aware that ?'s would be appearing randomly throughout the string |
| 23:54.08 | Dagmar | I thought you might have just gone completely off the rails with a non-greedy match or something |
| 23:54.11 | Iriel | Dagmar: Isn't that essentially the gist of the problem statement? |
| 23:54.22 | foxlit | new evil plan: match ["?], and use a callback to do logic |
| 23:54.52 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uixxJtJPVXk&feature=player_embedded |
| 23:54.55 | Wobin | always fun to watch |
| 23:55.11 | foxlit | Probably the easiest and most readable solution, though your language might not be amenable to it |
| 23:55.15 | Wobin | I remember seeing this in science class at school =) |
| 23:55.51 | Wobin | although we never made it down to Caesium =P |
| 23:57.17 | Wobin | also aweeesome... WAAALLLLL OF DEAAATHHHH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31MMw3Eazqw&feature=player_embedded |
| 23:57.43 | Wobin | man, the Indians do it hard core |
| 23:58.16 | foxlit | spoiler: horrible crash at 3:14 |
| 23:58.40 | Wobin | good thing it's only 1:39 long |
| 23:59.13 | Dagmar | ("[^"]")*?\? |
| 23:59.21 | Dagmar | Might do it, might not do it |
| 23:59.28 | foxlit | will not do it |
| 23:59.39 | foxlit | without a ^ |
| 23:59.50 | Shirik | will not do it anyway |
| 23:59.52 | foxlit | basically, the *? clause is ignorable. |
| 23:59.53 | Shirik | imagine: foo? |
| 23:59.55 | Dagmar | Doh yeah, at the least |
