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| 00:06.13 | alestane | Either a dark day for tabletop roleplaying, or a brilliant concept: http://nodwick.humor.gamespy.com/ffn/index.php?date=2009-12-16 |
| 00:06.35 | Lopeppeppy | both! |
| 00:09.54 | alestane | Mutual exclusivity just does not seem to exist in your universe. |
| 00:10.11 | Lopeppeppy | not really, dear. |
| 00:11.37 | DWSR | lol |
| 00:11.53 | DWSR | A darkly brilliant concept for daytime roleplaying? |
| 00:14.58 | Fisker | i should be sleeping ckknight |
| 00:15.01 | Fisker | but i'm not |
| 00:15.08 | Fisker | for that reason i will seek out to destroy you |
| 00:16.05 | alestane | Because destroying ckknight solves all problems. |
| 00:16.47 | Lopeppeppy | No, baking brownies for me is the best solution to the problem. |
| 00:17.04 | DWSR | I had my ex bake brownies for me this week. |
| 00:17.05 | DWSR | Best thing ever. |
| 00:17.12 | DWSR | Brownies solve world hunger everyone. |
| 00:17.25 | Lopeppeppy | I have an all-edges pan, it's heaven |
| 00:17.33 | DWSR | Ditto |
| 00:19.22 | alestane | But what if you like gooey middle pieces, Lopeppeppy? |
| 00:19.32 | WobWork | gasps |
| 00:19.39 | WobWork | sacrilige |
| 00:19.44 | ZorbaTHut | middle pieces are the best |
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| 00:19.51 | ZorbaTHut | the same is true of edge pieces and corner pieces |
| 00:19.53 | ZorbaTHut | they are all the best |
| 00:20.15 | airtonix | http://www.takepart.com/sites/default/files/uploads/2010/03/slide2.jpg |
| 00:20.16 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, this pan does not cook "crispy" edges. |
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| 00:23.48 | WobWork | airtonix: is that particularly sfw? |
| 00:24.13 | Dagmar | WobWork: Unless your office is campaigning against mysterious black oozes it'll be fine |
| 00:24.41 | WobWork | "Better Rights for Oozes of All Colours!" |
| 00:24.59 | Dagmar | No, that just doesn't work. |
| 00:26.31 | Dagmar | It's okay to campaign for better conditions for black oozes. |
| 00:26.56 | Kraps | look at me, watching the oscars |
| 00:26.58 | Dagmar | If you suggest that this perhaps makes all the other oozes into second class oozes, you're a filthy racist. |
| 00:28.15 | Dagmar | No wait.... oozist. |
| 00:29.02 | Kraps | on facebook |
| 00:29.03 | Arrowmaster | tossing smoke nades at snipers is fun |
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| 00:40.00 | Shirvallah | fills Fisker with RAGE |
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| 00:46.45 | Adys | oh hey |
| 00:46.48 | Adys | fisker brought me some luck |
| 00:46.56 | Adys | Swift Zulian Tiger |
| 00:46.57 | Adys | \o/ |
| 00:47.04 | Lopeppeppy | Woot!! |
| 00:49.47 | Dagmar | Does it have the debuff "Covered in Icing"? |
| 00:50.08 | Dagmar | I'm still trying to figure out why they made the oozling actually debuff you |
| 00:51.08 | WobWork | "for the lulz"? |
| 00:51.44 | Dagmar | Sounds like a reason for more lulz to me |
| 00:52.06 | Dagmar | I'd like to see "Covered in Icings: Helps keep you crunchy in milk" |
| 00:52.24 | Lopeppeppy | "Covered in Icing: Go ahead, lick me." |
| 00:52.28 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 00:52.32 | Dagmar | That works too |
| 00:53.16 | Shirik | o.o |
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| 00:54.07 | Lopeppeppy | is suspecting that she's not sick anymore, even if her hand is a piece of crap. *weg* |
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| 00:54.36 | frontendloader | hah got a buddy to do something by whispering him |
| 00:54.42 | frontendloader | local mage = {} |
| 00:56.09 | WobWork | frontendloader: "sudo make me a sandwich"? |
| 00:56.21 | Adys | did you whisper him "If you touch yourself now, Ill sleep with you tomorrow"? |
| 00:58.05 | frontendloader | attempt to index value myStomach.contents, a nil value |
| 00:59.59 | Gagorian | You don't have a stomach? :C |
| 01:00.55 | frontendloader | myStomach.exists = true |
| 01:01.02 | frontendloader | but it is empty :( |
| 01:01.15 | Lopeppeppy | go eat. |
| 01:01.36 | Dagmar | Dominos.DeliveryOrder->new('pizza'); |
| 01:01.53 | frontendloader | gtfo perl |
| 01:02.06 | frontendloader | or is that java |
| 01:02.11 | foxlit | Pizza *p = [Pizza initFromSource:[Dominos getNearestInstance]]; |
| 01:02.13 | DWSR | perl |
| 01:02.20 | frontendloader | I don't know any languages that use -> outside of perl |
| 01:02.26 | foxlit | php |
| 01:02.27 | Babelfish | PHP |
| 01:02.29 | DWSR | PHP |
| 01:02.31 | DWSR | :) |
| 01:02.39 | DWSR | Java is instance = new Object(); |
| 01:02.41 | foxlit | C, really |
| 01:02.44 | frontendloader | people have told me I'm lucky for not knowing php |
| 01:02.55 | DWSR | frontendloader: I'd disagree with them, but I'm just a casual coder. |
| 01:04.01 | frontendloader | my pantry is about as well stocked as a 2nd grade crafts closet |
| 01:04.07 | frontendloader | I've got paste and macaroni |
| 01:04.15 | Dagmar | It's a whole lotta brain cells you'll never have to dig out with a fork. |
| 01:06.12 | Lopeppeppy | frontendloader, invest in some peanut butter and jelly. |
| 01:07.53 | foxlit | http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/08/004219/Ubisofts-Authentication-Servers-Go-Down << and then there was much laughing |
| 01:10.06 | ZorbaTHut | holy shit, ubisoft has botched their DRM as much as it was physically possible |
| 01:10.16 | ZorbaTHut | that's amazing |
| 01:10.26 | foxlit | It could've been worse |
| 01:10.44 | foxlit | They could've lost the keys to decrypt disk content, leaving them with useless stamped DVDs. |
| 01:12.35 | Arrowmaster | no it was already cracked |
| 01:12.49 | Arrowmaster | you dont even need to go online to install it afaik |
| 01:14.27 | Trela | So glad I never bought Ubisoft. |
| 01:14.45 | Adys | Yeah |
| 01:14.50 | Adys | gotta spend those billions carefully |
| 01:15.22 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 01:15.24 | Dagmar | Hahah |
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| 01:19.09 | cralor | Is CreateFrame("MessageFrame"); How you make a message frame? |
| 01:19.38 | Adys | I think you want to give it a template upon which to inherit |
| 01:19.45 | alestane | Pretty much how you make any frame-level widget. |
| 01:19.55 | DWSR | Mechanostriders: Summoning any of these mounts is now perfectly mechanical-sounding! <- orly? |
| 01:20.06 | alestane | A template will save you some time if you choose wisely. |
| 01:21.27 | cralor | What's this "template" you speak of? |
| 01:21.31 | cralor | ohhh |
| 01:21.39 | cralor | I forgot their were other Arguments |
| 01:22.09 | cralor | thanks |
| 01:23.29 | Adys | ~x fr en thym |
| 01:23.40 | Adys | huh, weird |
| 01:24.06 | cralor | Where can I find a list of inheritFrame ? |
| 01:24.16 | Arrowmaster | FrameXML |
| 01:24.22 | Adys | wowprogramming.com prolly has what you want |
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| 01:26.23 | DWSR | http://xbox.joystiq.com/2010/03/05/red-ringed-xbox-transforms-into-robot-sculpture/ <-- WIN |
| 01:27.21 | Dagmar | Looks like Microsoft may have turned on the new banning mechanism for flashed Xboxes early |
| 01:27.34 | cralor | I can't find like "inherits UICloseButton" - stuff like that |
| 01:27.42 | cralor | the templates |
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| 01:28.50 | alestane | Well, stock templates are defined in the FrameXML files, in <MessageFrame> elements with 'virtual="true"' defined. |
| 01:29.56 | cralor | what happened to wowcompares |
| 01:30.13 | Lopeppeppy | Nom nom nom. |
| 01:30.15 | alestane | http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 01:31.03 | alestane | Not that there seems to be much content at the moment, oddly. |
| 01:31.18 | alestane | Try http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 01:33.32 | cralor | hmm what file would use MessageFrame |
| 01:34.17 | cralor | oh |
| 01:34.32 | cralor | scrollingmessageframe that's cool didn't know you could do that |
| 01:34.49 | cralor | ChatFrameTemplate - that sound right? |
| 01:35.14 | Kraps | can you have more than 1 food buff at a time? |
| 01:35.54 | Lopeppeppy | Not typically, no. 1 food, 1 drink, IIRC |
| 01:36.25 | DWSR | no. |
| 01:37.16 | DWSR | fail |
| 01:37.26 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy is bad. I haven't been able to play for like 3 months with this hand, I forget. |
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| 01:40.02 | alestane | There are a couple weird food buffs that don't follow the "well-fed" rule, but they still seem to be exclusive with the ones that do. |
| 01:40.42 | theorbtwo | IIRC, some of the holiday ones give you '"well-fed"' which will stack with the normal "well-fed". |
| 01:40.45 | alestane | And there are very few, if any, buffs assigned separately to drinks, although there are a few drinks that apply "well-fed" buffs, like brewfest beers. |
| 01:41.53 | Shadowed | Rule one of anything Blizzard |
| 01:41.58 | Shadowed | there is always an edge case |
| 01:42.00 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:42.01 | Shadowed | always |
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| 01:43.55 | ZorbaTHut | s/an edge case/a bug/ |
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| 01:44.32 | Shadowed | edge case when dealing with names or tooltips |
| 01:44.57 | Shadowed | usually other things, but always names/tooltips |
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| 01:48.29 | Adys | actually |
| 01:48.35 | Adys | blizzard data is extremely normalized |
| 01:48.57 | Adys | the issue is, its generally normalized much further out than users would expect |
| 01:49.00 | Adys | s/users/sanity/ |
| 01:49.18 | Shadowed | tell that to the 5 different ways of constructing hybrid gem tooltips! |
| 01:49.30 | Adys | such as? |
| 01:49.36 | Shadowed | off the top of my head |
| 01:49.58 | Shadowed | +# stat and +# stat / # stat, # stat / # stat & #stat |
| 01:50.07 | Shadowed | I think there was one or two more, but it's been a while |
| 01:50.15 | Adys | yeha, thats because it's human text |
| 01:50.23 | Adys | and not automatically generated |
| 01:50.30 | Shadowed | as I said! |
| 01:50.40 | ZorbaTHut | why *isn't* it automatically generated? |
| 01:50.43 | ZorbaTHut | it certainly could be |
| 01:50.47 | Adys | because of meta gems |
| 01:50.56 | Adys | meta gems have special attributes you cannot autogenerate |
| 01:51.27 | Adys | most of the stats COULD be autogenerated, but then that'd get complex very quickly and easily |
| 01:51.46 | Adys | gems themselves can have, as attribute, any sort of enchant |
| 01:52.15 | Shadowed | look jerk |
| 01:52.19 | Shadowed | stop bringing logic into my rant |
| 01:52.20 | Adys | and those enchants can themselves either add stats, add the properties of a spell, or add a socket |
| 01:52.31 | Adys | fuck off, I'm happy ruining your best moments in life |
| 01:52.54 | Shadowed | Dumping you in mexico |
| 01:52.55 | Shadowed | mark my words! |
| 01:53.02 | Adys | wanna see you try |
| 01:53.09 | Shadowed | all I have to do is drug your drink |
| 01:53.12 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: point is, the gems use the same backend as enchants, which at the time could just not be autogenerated |
| 01:53.20 | Adys | because of the weird names they gave some of them and so on |
| 01:53.24 | ZorbaTHut | Bold Cardinal Moneysink: +1 str, +1 socket |
| 01:53.27 | ZorbaTHut | 300 gold each |
| 01:53.29 | Adys | I dont drink Shadowed |
| 01:53.35 | Shadowed | I'll drug the air |
| 01:53.39 | Adys | I don't breathe |
| 01:53.51 | Shadowed | robot |
| 01:53.58 | Adys | I don't rob |
| 01:54.23 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: fun fact |
| 01:54.27 | Adys | a gem can add a socket |
| 01:54.43 | DWSR | lolwut? |
| 01:54.46 | Shadowed | Scrolls are a bit odd like that too |
| 01:54.53 | Shadowed | Bracer - Blah and Bracers - Blah if I recall |
| 01:55.04 | ZorbaTHut | enchants in general |
| 01:55.05 | Adys | DWSR: as I said, they use the same backend as enchants; and enchants can add sockets |
| 01:55.31 | Shadowed | They don't actually use that I think? |
| 01:55.42 | Adys | belt buckle..? |
| 01:55.42 | Shadowed | Believe they do some sort of internal wackery to add enchants right now |
| 01:55.46 | Shadowed | Belt buckles aren't enchants |
| 01:55.51 | Adys | yes, they are :P |
| 01:55.56 | Shadowed | Blizzard doesn't show it at least |
| 01:56.05 | Shadowed | enchantid is never set for belts with buckles in them |
| 01:56.21 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder if they're gonna make a Cataclysm Belt Buckle so we won't have to farm northrend mats to make belt buckles |
| 01:56.22 | Adys | thats because its hacky |
| 01:56.42 | ZorbaTHut | or maybe one that gives you two sockets |
| 01:57.00 | Adys | fyi |
| 01:57.00 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/e/3729/socket-belt/ |
| 01:57.04 | ZorbaTHut | (ten years and eight expansions from now, belt buckles provide nine new sockets) |
| 01:57.04 | Shadowed | They can't give items more than 4 sockets, without refactoring the item link |
| 01:57.14 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, call me crazy but I suspect they're capable of doing so |
| 01:57.25 | Shadowed | They're capable, but the UI doesn't support it without being updated |
| 01:57.25 | Adys | capable of refactoring item links? |
| 01:57.26 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You're crazy! |
| 01:57.31 | Adys | or add more than 4 sockets? |
| 01:57.36 | ZorbaTHut | adys, both, really |
| 01:57.42 | DWSR | LIES! |
| 01:57.45 | Adys | former is easy |
| 01:57.49 | DWSR | BLASPHEMOUS LIES OF BLASPHEMY! |
| 01:57.49 | Shadowed | They can support items with 4 gems right now, anything above that requires redoing the item link and some parts of the UI |
| 01:57.58 | Adys | latter would break my beautiful API on sigrie so i hope they dont do that |
| 01:58.00 | Adys | =( |
| 01:58.04 | ZorbaTHut | really though I suspect that would not be a complicated change |
| 01:58.16 | ZorbaTHut | if they're smart at all, item link manipulations are abstracted away anyway |
| 01:58.25 | Bibi- | you all suck |
| 01:58.29 | Shadowed | It's not that it's hard for them, it's that you can have compatibility issues |
| 01:58.29 | Bibi- | more than 4 sockets is pointless |
| 01:58.31 | ZorbaTHut | a bigger problem would be the fact that it would be horribly ugly and awful and horrible :P |
| 01:58.41 | Bibi- | (blame Adys, I have an highlight on mmo-champion) |
| 01:58.53 | Adys | mmo-champion |
| 01:58.55 | ZorbaTHut | replaces belt, buys another set of 11 epic gems |
| 01:59.02 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+q Adys!*@*] by Shadowed |
| 01:59.05 | Bibi- | exactly what ZorbaTHut said. |
| 01:59.15 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-q Adys!*@*] by Shadowed |
| 01:59.23 | Bibi- | each time you get a new piece of equipment, you already have to spend 500G on gems |
| 01:59.31 | Bibi- | and that's only with 3 gems |
| 01:59.41 | DWSR | You spend money on gems? |
| 01:59.44 | ZorbaTHut | still, I'm curious what they'll do with belt buckles. it's an odd buff because the enchant itself doesn't really need upgrading to scale properly as new gems show up |
| 01:59.45 | DWSR | LLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
| 01:59.45 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: actually the other day I was thinking of enchanters being able to get the gems back from disenchanted items |
| 01:59.59 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: my name is blizzard |
| 02:00.02 | Shadowed | They've already had this issue, I just don't remember for what item |
| 02:00.05 | Adys | I've known myself for 11 years |
| 02:00.09 | Adys | here is what Ill do |
| 02:00.11 | ZorbaTHut | but you still don't want people having to accumulate three-expansion-old mats for raiding |
| 02:00.21 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, so do you, via opportunity cost at the very least. |
| 02:00.30 | Adys | "This socket can only support gems level 80 or lower" |
| 02:00.34 | Shadowed | I dunno why you think it's an issue anyway. Make a new version, make it use Cataclysm mats |
| 02:00.36 | Shadowed | problem solved |
| 02:00.39 | ZorbaTHut | adys, sure, that could work |
| 02:00.49 | Adys | of course it could work, I'm fucking blizzard |
| 02:00.57 | Shadowed | they don't *have* to make it better |
| 02:01.00 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, how often do they provide two completely redundant spells with different mats? |
| 02:01.10 | ZorbaTHut | it's happened a few times, but it's very rare. |
| 02:01.11 | Shadowed | How often have they had an issue like this |
| 02:01.24 | Adys | how often do they make an expansion called cataclysm? |
| 02:01.26 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Have you seen your spellbook before they removed all the ranks? |
| 02:01.27 | Adys | MMH? |
| 02:01.37 | DWSR | All EXACTLY the same mats. |
| 02:01.40 | ZorbaTHut | quite often going from classic to BC, but they solved that by turning "increase hit by 1%" into hit rating :) |
| 02:01.41 | Adys | DWSR: you know they havent removed ranks yet |
| 02:01.43 | WobWork | you could call raidwide buffs redundant spells with different mats =P |
| 02:01.46 | DWSR | Of course not. |
| 02:02.08 | WobWork | you can still exploit different rank spells |
| 02:02.21 | WobWork | eg, warlock lifetap glyph |
| 02:02.41 | DWSR | Yes, yes I know (and do). |
| 02:02.42 | ZorbaTHut | rank 1 frost bolt, also |
| 02:02.56 | Shadowed | Heirlooms will be more interesting, since I expect they'll just not give XP at 80 |
| 02:02.59 | WobWork | I used to do that for the snare |
| 02:03.12 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, and probably stop leveling up, too |
| 02:06.42 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: actually thats already implemented |
| 02:06.47 | Adys | heirlooms have a min and max level |
| 02:06.57 | Shadowed | Don't they just have a max level on stat scaling, not the XP? |
| 02:06.58 | Adys | some (not accessible) heirlooms are level 1-15 |
| 02:07.04 | Shadowed | oh nevermind |
| 02:07.13 | Adys | You cannot actually wear them above that level |
| 02:07.16 | Adys | they lose all effect |
| 02:07.20 | Shadowed | Oh? |
| 02:07.29 | Dagmar | The _important_ ones go to 80, but aren't supposed to work beyond that |
| 02:07.44 | ZorbaTHut | curious |
| 02:08.00 | Adys | Shadowed: but once again, this isnt actually live so .. |
| 02:08.16 | ZorbaTHut | I guess in reality you'll be going to Cataclysm content at 78 or 79 or whatever they decide, and maybe you're intended to replace gear at that point, before your heirloom simply breaks |
| 02:08.41 | ZorbaTHut | wonder if they're gonna keep calling them Emblems or if we're going to have a new, third term (while everyone calls them Badges for eternity) |
| 02:08.46 | Adys | it could just change |
| 02:10.02 | NiLon | badge ftw |
| 02:11.54 | Dagmar | Certificates of Specialness |
| 02:13.39 | Dagmar | Perhaps they could make them into actual badgers |
| 02:14.05 | Lopeppeppy | badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM |
| 02:15.07 | Arrowmaster | they should at least call them that during the beta |
| 02:15.43 | Dagmar | Frame-rate issues notwithstanding, I think it'd be kinda funny if you collected an army of badgers to turn in |
| 02:16.02 | Dagmar | Show up at the vendor with a small, vicious, hairy legion in tow |
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| 02:34.43 | ZorbaTHut | lfm deepholm 25, must have AT LEAST 300 badgers |
| 02:34.47 | ZorbaTHut | THEY WILL BE COUNTED |
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| 02:36.01 | alestane | Won't you please help find my cuccos? |
| 02:37.20 | kd3 | yay, firmware upgrade |
| 02:39.38 | Dagmar | *shudder* |
| 02:43.15 | kd3 | and blah, it didn't work |
| 02:43.18 | kd3 | still significant lag and I'm using 1/3 as much resources torrenting as I was last week |
| 02:43.21 | kd3 | grrs |
| 02:43.49 | Shirik | pets kd3 |
| 02:44.10 | kd3 | curses his cat |
| 02:46.12 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.32 | Arrowmaster | kd3: what did you upgrade? |
| 02:50.39 | Kraps | http://www.psychologyofgames.com/2010/03/04/279/ |
| 02:50.46 | kd3 | tried upgrading stock firmware on my wrt54gs2 to newest and it didn't help |
| 02:50.56 | kd3 | cat knocked it off its stand yesterday |
| 02:51.07 | kd3 | 's running cable to make sure it's not just the wireless |
| 02:51.42 | WobWork | ah badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, heirloom! heirloom! |
| 02:51.53 | Dagmar | perfect! |
| 02:53.21 | Shirik | WobWork, I should kick you for that |
| 02:53.55 | Dagmar | It'll be machinima before the month is out |
| 02:55.14 | Shirik | who here's good at regexes (not Lua ones)? Need some help in private |
| 02:57.29 | WobWork | I can try |
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| 03:01.08 | kd3 | ah, there we go. wired |
| 03:10.58 | Arathros | is there a way to identify if I'm a memmber of a party or a raid? |
| 03:15.28 | cbreak | yes |
| 03:15.37 | cbreak | you can ask the game for the number of members |
| 03:15.42 | cbreak | for example |
| 03:15.56 | cbreak | or the maximum |
| 03:16.54 | Arathros | hmm |
| 03:18.57 | alestane | !api GetNumRaidMembers |
| 03:18.58 | lua_bot | GetNumRaidMembers: Returns the number of members in the player's raid (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetNumRaidMembers) |
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| 03:45.14 | WobWork | http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft |
| 03:46.30 | WobWork | someone has too much time on their hands |
| 03:49.22 | kd3 | in... latin? |
| 03:49.23 | kd3 | lmao |
| 03:49.57 | DWSR | In China, because a large number of the players do not own the computer they use to play games (e.g. Internet cafes), the CD keys required to create an account can be purchased independently of the software package. In order to play the game, players must also purchase prepaid game cards that can be played for 66 hours and 40 minutes. <-- 66h 40m? |
| 03:49.57 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 03:52.22 | Mr_Rabies | maybe that's the single session limit or something |
| 03:52.24 | Mr_Rabies | wait |
| 03:52.26 | Mr_Rabies | no way |
| 03:52.28 | Mr_Rabies | 66 hours |
| 03:52.32 | Mr_Rabies | derp |
| 03:52.51 | DWSR | 66 hours and 40 minutes? wtf? |
| 03:52.53 | Corrodias | that's 4,000 minutes. |
| 03:52.57 | Corrodias | round number |
| 03:52.58 | DWSR | ah. |
| 03:53.00 | Mr_Rabies | that's less weird |
| 03:53.00 | DWSR | Thank you |
| 03:55.38 | kd3 | lmao |
| 03:55.45 | kd3 | so ubisoft's failtastic drm servers are down |
| 03:55.54 | DWSR | LMAO |
| 03:56.04 | DWSR | Once again, pirates are getting a better experience. |
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| 03:59.41 | elec29a | hi hi could someone help me with an off opic question how could golfarmer make http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4631/wowscrnshot030810045659.jpg on our server ? |
| 03:59.58 | kd3 | corpse spam |
| 03:59.58 | kd3 | lmao |
| 04:00.01 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:00.07 | kd3 | it's using a teleport explot |
| 04:00.10 | kd3 | exploit* |
| 04:00.26 | kd3 | report it to a gm with the key word "corpse spam" (in german) and it'll get taken care of quickly |
| 04:00.35 | elec29a | ahh ok thx |
| 04:01.15 | smcn | those aren't corpses |
| 04:01.21 | smcn | they're just /lay'ing |
| 04:02.49 | elec29a | yes |
| 04:02.54 | kd3 | even then, same concept |
| 04:03.56 | elec29a | and they are falling from the sky prior maybe with teleport like you said |
| 04:18.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah orcs take dirt naps face down |
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| 04:24.27 | WobWork | hm, interesting http://charlemagneproductions.org/ |
| 04:25.55 | Corrodias | "Charlemagne is a concept album with original words and symphonic metal music. " ... |
| 04:29.59 | WobWork | performed and sung by Christopher Lee =P |
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| 04:35.18 | Corrodias | should be interesting, if only for that |
| 04:39.01 | WobWork | Corrodias: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8W2fkhfFPc |
| 04:41.46 | Corrodias | uh...huh. |
| 04:42.15 | Corrodias | i think that song is horrifyingly unsuitable to his voice |
| 04:44.27 | WobWork | But the utter campness makes up for it =P |
| 04:44.33 | Shadowed | Adys love you pal |
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| 04:44.54 | Adys | wat |
| 04:44.58 | Adys | since when |
| 04:44.59 | Shadowed | nothing |
| 04:45.00 | Shadowed | go to hell |
| 04:45.03 | Adys | k |
| 04:45.04 | Adys | bye |
| 04:45.06 | WobWork | You just got ShadowLuv'd |
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| 04:50.01 | Dagmar | I've long since given up being able to reliably tell them apart by sight, but that might be the model of the white one I have |
| 04:50.03 | Dagmar | wwrong chan |
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| 05:15.39 | Arathros | is there a GetNumPartyMembers for Battleground aswell? or is that under raid? |
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| 05:16.43 | DWSR | under raid. |
| 05:16.47 | DWSR | afaik |
| 05:16.54 | DWSR | !api GetNumRaidMembers |
| 05:16.54 | lua_bot | GetNumRaidMembers: Returns the number of members in the player's raid (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetNumRaidMembers) |
| 05:17.04 | DWSR | !api battleground |
| 05:17.07 | lua_bot | Found 7 possible results for 'battleground': GetNumBattlegroundTypes, UnitInBattleground, GetBattlegroundInfo, PLAYER_ENTERING_BATTLEGROUND, CHAT_MSG_BATTLEGROUND_LEADER, CHAT_MSG_BATTLEGROUND, RequestBattlegroundInstanceInfo |
| 05:17.22 | DWSR | You can use UnitInBattleground + GetNumRaidMembers. |
| 05:18.14 | Torhal | ls |
| 05:18.16 | Torhal | Bleargh |
| 05:18.33 | Adys | rm -r Torhal |
| 05:20.17 | Torhal | :P |
| 05:23.44 | Arathros | !api Frame |
| 05:23.44 | lua_bot | Found 172 possible matches for 'Frame'. Please be more specific |
| 05:23.54 | Arathros | !api deleteframe |
| 05:23.54 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'deleteframe'. |
| 05:23.58 | Arathros | hmm |
| 05:24.13 | Arathros | !api removeframe |
| 05:24.14 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'removeframe'. |
| 05:24.15 | WobWork | you can't delete frames |
| 05:24.15 | Torhal | Arathros: You can't delete frames |
| 05:24.23 | Torhal | You can cache then re-use |
| 05:25.34 | Arathros | rethink my strategy then ;P |
| 05:26.31 | Thrae | So my Bear macro is getting stuck with /castsequence reset=7/combat/target Faerie Fire (Feral)(), Mangle (Bear)(), Mangle (Bear)(). I think if FF if cooling down than it won't procede. |
| 05:27.51 | Thrae | What happens if you hit an ability still cooling down in a /castsequence? Does it stop until that ability is ready? |
| 05:28.25 | WobWork | Off the top of my head I'd say "that sounds right", but I don't know without testing |
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| 05:34.14 | Seerah | Thrae: yes |
| 05:35.18 | Thrae | Seerah: I just got in #wowace that /castsequence reset=7 would only reset after 7 seconds if I do not use the macro for 7 seconds. I thought it would reset anywhere in the sequence. |
| 05:35.58 | Seerah | no, the reset parameter resets its countdown every time the button is pressed. It's an inactivity timer |
| 05:36.21 | Thrae | Ah |
| 05:45.27 | Arathros | if i createframe with the same name as some other frame. what will happen? |
| 05:45.42 | Arrowmaster | dont worry, theres only about 10 million other people that think it works the same way as you did Thrae |
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| 05:46.14 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Haha |
| 05:49.18 | Shirik | This is why I love star trek, they have the means to bring up strange issues http://wowi.pastey.net/133908 |
| 05:49.24 | Shirik | why our society makes absolutely no sense |
| 05:49.51 | Shirik | (comments along with lines are not my own) |
| 05:50.43 | Arathros | lol |
| 05:51.28 | Thrae | What's the ! modifier do again? |
| 05:51.37 | WobWork | toggles it on |
| 05:51.57 | WobWork | s/on// |
| 05:52.09 | Thrae | That's what I thought |
| 05:52.16 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, ever seen Mating Habits of the Earthbound Human? |
| 05:52.23 | Shirik | nope |
| 05:52.38 | ZorbaTHut | it's quite excellent. it's an alien documentary on human mating rituals. recommended. |
| 05:52.42 | WobWork | Thrae: the !Dire Bear Form toggle is awesome |
| 05:52.44 | WobWork | for snares |
| 05:53.06 | Shirik | sounds awesome |
| 05:53.06 | Jerub | WobWork: does that work? |
| 05:53.33 | WobWork | Jerub: yeah, I use it for 10 free rage if I'm below 10 |
| 05:53.56 | WobWork | if you have imp shifter it's cheap |
| 05:54.01 | Arathros | PPpf1:SetWidth(200) <-- is there an easy way to set that to 4 frames easy? other than 4 lines? |
| 05:54.03 | WobWork | (note, I don't know the exact talents) |
| 05:54.19 | WobWork | Arathros: you can put it in a function |
| 05:54.24 | WobWork | but you'd still have to call it four times |
| 05:54.32 | Thrae | WobWork: It's cheaper with King of the Jungle, yeah |
| 05:54.37 | WobWork | that's the bunny |
| 05:54.58 | Arathros | easier way to type it. like you have var1, var2, var3 = 200 |
| 05:55.11 | Thrae | WobWork: I just use /cancelform \n /cast Dire Bear Form |
| 05:55.27 | WobWork | Arathros: there's a difference between assignation and setting |
| 05:55.32 | WobWork | er function calling |
| 05:55.42 | Arathros | yeh. just thought there was a easier way |
| 05:55.44 | WobWork | and you'd want var1, var2, var3 = 200, 200, 200 |
| 05:56.00 | Arathros | according to book my way works |
| 05:56.04 | WobWork | nooo |
| 05:56.06 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/it-depends-on-the-size-of-your-tubes/4571 |
| 05:56.13 | WobWork | var2 and var3 will be nil |
| 05:56.42 | WobWork | lua> a,b,c = 100; print(b); |
| 05:56.42 | Arathros | hmm |
| 05:56.43 | lua_bot | WobWork: nil |
| 05:56.52 | WobWork | lua> a,b,c = 100,100,100; print(b); |
| 05:56.54 | lua_bot | WobWork: 100 |
| 05:57.11 | Arathros | what did i read then lol |
| 05:58.48 | Thrae | Arathros: Maybe a = 100; b, c = a, a; That'll work for anything but tables (which are references). |
| 05:59.32 | Arathros | atm I'm thinking.. on createframes part. making all the frames and then hiding them till use ;P |
| 06:03.51 | Thrae | WobWork: Alright I guess I got a good idea on how to make Enrage more accessible... |
| 06:04.52 | Thrae | WobWork: I don't know about you, but my Bear Form -> No Form macro requires SHIFT so I don't press it accidentially. So it's not doing anything otherwise. |
| 06:08.19 | kd3 | zomg; nadesico in blu-ray |
| 06:09.19 | WobWork | Thrae: I don't have a bearform no form macro =\ |
| 06:09.53 | Thrae | WobWork: Ever hit "Out of Bear Form" by accident while tanking? |
| 06:09.58 | WobWork | no =) |
| 06:10.14 | WobWork | my actionbars don't have any nonbear spells |
| 06:10.28 | WobWork | and for rebirth/innervate they're mousecliques |
| 06:10.30 | Thrae | Well, /cast Dire Bear Form is a bear spell |
| 06:11.39 | Thrae | Sometimes you want to exit bear form to cast various spells and it's easier if it's keybound to *something* |
| 06:11.48 | WobWork | or just cast? |
| 06:12.17 | WobWork | my healing spells are cliquebound |
| 06:12.20 | Thrae | Well, I have some spells keybound that chance action based on what stance/form I'm in |
| 06:12.31 | Jerub | Thrae: the only non-bearform spells i care about are entangle, rebirth and innervate. two are cliques the third i have on an actionbar on the far right. |
| 06:12.39 | WobWork | I tend not to spelldamage while in bearform |
| 06:12.44 | Jerub | (the third being entangle, clearly) |
| 06:12.57 | Thrae | Yeah mine are too, but I also have them bound for use on myself |
| 06:13.05 | Thrae | Jerub: Entangling Roots |
| 06:13.44 | WobWork | innervate on yourself while in bearform? =\ |
| 06:13.58 | Thrae | WobWork: That isn't keybound ;) |
| 06:14.01 | kd3 | hey, bears need mana to res the dead once the fight's over |
| 06:14.16 | Thrae | Well it is, out of bear form |
| 06:14.25 | Jerub | Thrae: that's the bunny |
| 06:14.36 | Jerub | but meh, i have it on my bars but no where near a hotkey |
| 06:14.40 | Jerub | too dangerous. |
| 06:15.02 | Thrae | Yeah, my CC macro combines all three forms of CC and its only for no-form use |
| 06:15.05 | Jerub | kd3: but we regenerate mana by actually having been in the fight |
| 06:15.05 | WobWork | kd3: you're not going to be in bearform to res |
| 06:15.26 | Jerub | kd3: fighting in bearform causes mana regen. it's kinda neat. |
| 06:15.40 | Thrae | Also, ILoTP |
| 06:15.40 | WobWork | we're magic bears |
| 06:16.28 | Thrae | Which brings me to Mongoose -- I still see Bear Tanks, even ICC Tanks with Mongoose, but I like Lifeward better |
| 06:16.39 | Jerub | i use mongoose. |
| 06:16.57 | Jerub | because i saw a theorycrafting site that said, "bear tanks should use mongoose" |
| 06:17.19 | Thrae | Yeah I think that theory is outdated ;) I've been using Lifeward and love it. |
| 06:17.44 | NightHawkTheSane | its not -quite- outdated. sadly, the agi you get from mongoose is still damn good |
| 06:18.05 | Jerub | Thrae: but uh, looking at it, does the amount of healing scale? because with mongoose the amount of extra damage you do scales with your gear and raidbuffs. |
| 06:18.33 | Thrae | Blood Draining is also good, but it's more situational than Lifeward. Not the healing under 35% part, but keeping enough Lacerate up. |
| 06:18.34 | Jerub | because attack speed increases. |
| 06:19.02 | Thrae | Jerub: Hmm I'd have to check to see if it scales |
| 06:19.21 | Jerub | Thrae: that's the problem with these proc things - there's no good way to compare them |
| 06:21.36 | Thrae | Jerub: It's a static heal with PPM |
| 06:23.20 | Thrae | It heals for ~335 and crits for ~500 (about 3% static chance). It procs on styles as well as regular hits, so each hit from Swipe has a chance to proc it. |
| 06:25.54 | Jerub | Thrae: but that's tiny ammounts. what's the PPM? |
| 06:26.51 | Thrae | With about 3.4 PPM off your white attacks it can heal a base of 1139. Add in 13% chance per style, someone recorded 300 white hits / 100 mangle hits for a total heal of 7000 (20 procs) in 5 minutes. |
| 06:28.03 | Thrae | Now if you add in Swipe with 4 targets, 120 white hits and 175 Swipes (700 swipe hits per target) gave 109 procs for 36,610 healing |
| 06:28.18 | Thrae | Over 5 minutes |
| 06:28.34 | WobWork | hm |
| 06:28.37 | WobWork | that sounds quite nice |
| 06:28.55 | ZorbaTHut | mongoose is pretty dang good |
| 06:29.10 | ZorbaTHut | lifeward really isn't. the agi from mongoose gives a substantial amount of armor and dodge |
| 06:29.16 | Thrae | Honestly I'll probably go Mongoose when I get a iLevel 240+ weapon, but mine's iLevel 232 |
| 06:29.16 | WobWork | most of the time I dno't bother lacerating on trash |
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| 06:29.44 | Thrae | Mongoose is like 500+ gold on my server for the enchant scroll, and the mats suck |
| 06:30.14 | WobWork | 8 void crystals or something, isn't it? |
| 06:30.24 | Thrae | 6 Void Crystals |
| 06:30.43 | Thrae | Problem is, everyone has Abyss nowadays |
| 06:30.59 | WobWork | I remember feeling really embarassed to ask for so many void crystals from the raid bank =P |
| 06:31.03 | NightHawkTheSane | make friends with an enchanter and run kara to get it? |
| 06:31.21 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: make friends with an enchanter |
| 06:31.24 | WobWork | group with them |
| 06:31.27 | WobWork | then solo kara |
| 06:31.37 | WobWork | and have them DE it from wherever they are |
| 06:31.44 | WobWork | (AH etc) |
| 06:31.47 | ZorbaTHut | or buy it off the AH and do something more valuable with your time than soloing kara |
| 06:31.57 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: pft, what a silly idea |
| 06:32.11 | Thrae | In the time it takes me to solo Kara I don't think I could make 500 gold |
| 06:32.21 | Thrae | I'm always strapped for gold |
| 06:32.35 | NightHawkTheSane | it really takes no time at all to get too and kill that boss |
| 06:32.43 | NightHawkTheSane | its worth trying it once a week |
| 06:33.00 | Shadowed | Kara? You should be able to solo heroic bosses who always drop voids if I recall |
| 06:33.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: well, if you need the actual enchant recipe on someone who wont charge an arm and a leg |
| 06:33.48 | Shadowed | oh recipe, yea you're screwed for that :p |
| 06:33.55 | WobWork | truedat |
| 06:34.06 | Jerub | got a guildmate who has it. |
| 06:34.08 | Thrae | Oh, our guild has the recipe |
| 06:34.09 | Jerub | which is awesome. |
| 06:34.31 | Jerub | was annoying when he didn't come online for 4 days after getting a battered hilt tho |
| 06:34.46 | Thrae | Battered Hilt is another question |
| 06:35.13 | Jerub | 30 Valkyres and a few of those observer things plus some thors for ground support. |
| 06:35.18 | Jerub | .. wait, was that not the question? |
| 06:36.41 | WobWork | http://chzbabiesmakingfaces.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/1291212210954620371.jpg |
| 06:37.28 | Thrae | I don't know if the Lightborn Spire is worth 15,000 gold |
| 06:37.40 | Thrae | Battered Hilt sells for 15-18k on my server |
| 06:37.54 | Jerub | Thrae: it's come down to 9k on my server. |
| 06:38.08 | Jerub | Thrae: considering there are icc10 drops that are entirely sufficient weapons for most specs. |
| 06:38.17 | Thrae | Jerub: Wow, you must have people farming badges like crazy |
| 06:38.59 | Jerub | Thrae: big ticket items like primodial saronite and battered hilts and marrowgar's frigid eye can be very volatile in price. |
| 06:39.00 | Thrae | Yeah, I have the Orca Hunter's Harpoon for my Feral Tank, which is great until ICC10 |
| 06:39.12 | Jerub | (MFE = 16k on my server) |
| 06:40.00 | Jerub | yeah, i had the mace from KT before i got my hilt. |
| 06:40.18 | Jerub | skipped the icc5 man gear because i was already that geared when i got it. |
| 06:40.54 | Thrae | Yeah lots of people in my guild already were Ulduar geared by the time ICC came out |
| 06:42.48 | Thrae | I'm actually Honour farming right now (along with the daily Frost) to replace my iLevel 200 Epic belt with a Wrathful iLevel 245. The stats are still better until 10-man raids, which I do about weekly (besides the weekly raid quest). |
| 06:42.57 | Jerub | i still don't know if i should go 4T10 tank or use the badges for my heal set. |
| 06:43.13 | Thrae | What type of tank? |
| 06:43.20 | Jerub | Thrae: huh, the uld crafted belt is alright isn't it? it's 226 |
| 06:43.28 | Jerub | oh, right, wrathful belt. |
| 06:43.33 | Jerub | i should buy that. how much honour is it? |
| 06:43.35 | Jerub | bear |
| 06:43.41 | Thrae | 40k |
| 06:43.46 | Jerub | i've got that much |
| 06:43.47 | Shirik | WARHAMMA |
| 06:43.53 | Jerub | and my belt is my lowest ilvl item |
| 06:44.14 | Thrae | Well I like the T10 4-piece bonus for tanking |
| 06:44.15 | Jerub | http://quickarmory.com/?n=brandi&r=Dath%27Remar |
| 06:44.20 | Jerub | Thrae: have you got it yet? |
| 06:44.25 | Thrae | It depends on which your guild needs most, a tank or a healer... |
| 06:44.32 | Thrae | No, I got my first piece of T10 today |
| 06:44.41 | Jerub | oh i got a 226 amulet to replace an icc5man 232 amulet that had parry |
| 06:44.55 | Thrae | Love is in the Air one? |
| 06:44.57 | Jerub | well, my guild is falling apart because our two best raiders are back at school. |
| 06:45.06 | Jerub | no? |
| 06:45.38 | Thrae | As for the Ulduar 226 crafted one, that's rather expensive, which is why I'm honour farming |
| 06:45.47 | Jerub | i've had a raiding guild on trial for a month and i think i'm going to accept their application to have my druid, but they failed to progress into the plagueworks the other night so that's on hold. |
| 06:46.03 | haste | Thrae: it drops in material price next patch, whenever that happens |
| 06:46.55 | Jerub | i'm stockpiling frozen orbs for the next patch |
| 06:47.47 | Thrae | I never had a huge need for Frozen Orbs, so I already have a good supply |
| 06:48.45 | Jerub | i'd been turning them into icy prisms once a day and that had eaten my supply down to 4. |
| 06:49.39 | Thrae | haste: The Death-warmed Belt, eh? |
| 06:50.22 | Thrae | Jerub: And sorry, I was talking about Relentless, not Wrathful (the latter requires an arena rating) |
| 06:50.47 | Jerub | Thrae: whatever. you said the ilvl, which is the important bit |
| 06:50.58 | Jerub | i had the 245 pvp belt on my heal set up until i got a 264 belt |
| 06:51.05 | haste | Thrae: all old crafted get their materials cut in half or so |
| 06:51.14 | Jerub | s/264/251/ |
| 06:51.23 | Thrae | Yeah I'm trying out all PvP gear for my Healing set for...well, PvP'ing |
| 06:51.37 | haste | or it's already done, but dunno :D |
| 06:51.41 | Jerub | Thrae: yeah, i'm slowly building a pvp heal set. |
| 06:51.45 | Jerub | for WG mainly. |
| 06:51.54 | Jerub | oh, and FC in togc |
| 06:51.55 | Jerub | :P |
| 06:52.09 | Thrae | Except on my server, we win WG (Alliance) about once per week |
| 06:52.11 | Shirik | ok there is too much talking in this channel |
| 06:52.17 | Shirik | I demand more breaks |
| 06:52.41 | Jerub | Thrae: our horde has that problem. |
| 06:53.12 | Jerub | it's weird tho. during raiding primetime on a thursday the entire horde side will turn up, win WG, do Voa10+25 hten leave it for alliance the rest of the week. |
| 06:53.14 | Thrae | We usually have Tenacity x6 when WG starts, than it goes down to x2. Rarely x1. Average Tenacity is about x6, as high as x13. |
| 06:53.40 | Jerub | (we'll win once or twice on sat or sun too) |
| 06:53.54 | ZorbaTHut | tenacity x10 is kind of fun as long as you're not running into groups of enemies |
| 06:53.56 | Jerub | but it's thursday night when horde comes out in force because our strong pve contingent will want to do voa |
| 06:54.05 | ZorbaTHut | like, yep, I do hit like a boss, why do you ask :D |
| 06:54.24 | Thrae | Yeah I also like my Rejuv. healing for 175k :D |
| 06:54.39 | Thrae | Or 334k for x13 |
| 06:54.53 | ZorbaTHut | that said you're still not really *useful* in any way, since groups will just obliterate you once you hit you with CC |
| 06:55.44 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Self-healing classes can be a pain, even Cats/Bears as they have massively inflated health with self-healing powers that are based on their maximum health |
| 06:56.26 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but that sorta says it all |
| 06:56.27 | ZorbaTHut | "a pain" |
| 06:56.29 | ZorbaTHut | not "dangerous" |
| 06:57.41 | Thrae | Speaking of healing druids, I'm wondering if I should glyph out Glyph of Swiftmend for something else |
| 06:58.23 | ZorbaTHut | from what I hear, swiftmend is the one always-take-this glyph |
| 06:58.25 | Jerub | oooh, i got to nuke someone last night. he'd turtled up in a floating island and had built 20+ photon canons to protect against me sending in flying units. |
| 06:58.49 | Jerub | so i nuked him first with my entire fleet floating above my ghost, then flew the fleet in. |
| 06:59.16 | Shirik | http://failblog.org/2010/01/08/sexy-chat-win/ |
| 06:59.41 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Yeah it's basically free healing every 5 seconds, but the Glyph of Rejuv. could also help with spikes too along with Rapid Rejuv. |
| 06:59.44 | ZorbaTHut | the site I generally rely on recommends Swiftmend in all cases, Wild Growth in almost all cases, and Nourish/Rapid Rejuv for the last slot |
| 06:59.52 | ZorbaTHut | and maaaaaybe both of those if you're doing exclusively tank healing |
| 07:00.02 | ZorbaTHut | from what I hear, Rejuv is just not that strong |
| 07:00.25 | ZorbaTHut | people don't spend enough time below 50% for it to be worthwhile |
| 07:00.39 | Thrae | Wouldn't you use Swiftmend for the same purposes? |
| 07:00.41 | nevcairiel | rapid rejuv is a must have these days |
| 07:01.05 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i have SM/Nourish/Unburdened Rebirth |
| 07:01.06 | ZorbaTHut | the difference is that Swiftmend removes a major weakness of the Swiftmend ability, as well as being great for saving the raid |
| 07:01.09 | nevcairiel | wild growth .. never really considered it that good |
| 07:01.21 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: and i swap nourish for GoRR sometimes. |
| 07:01.22 | ZorbaTHut | Rejuv is just slow enough that it won't be a real help in critical situations |
| 07:01.27 | Jerub | i've never replaced rebirth |
| 07:01.35 | nevcairiel | rebirth is a minor |
| 07:01.37 | ZorbaTHut | Rebirth is a cute glyph but honestly it's rarely critical |
| 07:01.44 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: Marrowgar. |
| 07:01.53 | Thrae | I love Unburdened Rebirth on my Tank |
| 07:01.54 | ZorbaTHut | it only really helps in the situation where that brief second is helpful, or if there's a pile of raid damage going around and you can't otherwise rebirth someone |
| 07:01.56 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: a tank who resses just won't survive. |
| 07:02.05 | nevcairiel | don't let them die |
| 07:02.12 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but you don't choose glyphs based on a single fight |
| 07:02.19 | Jerub | there's lots of fights in icc where a tank that you stand up just won't be in fighting condition. |
| 07:02.23 | ZorbaTHut | and you especially don't choose glyphs based on what happens when you fuck up a single fight |
| 07:02.28 | nevcairiel | I would never take the major rebirth glyph |
| 07:02.33 | Jerub | also, it's practically improved death if a healer drops, becuase he stands up with full mana |
| 07:02.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: why not? |
| 07:02.43 | nevcairiel | its like saying "I know we'll fuck up" |
| 07:02.51 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i've started changing glyphs during a raid. |
| 07:02.51 | krka | which rebirth was that? free rebirths? |
| 07:02.57 | NightHawkTheSane | you can have stacks of whatever glyphs you want on hand to re-glyph on a fight-by-fight basis |
| 07:02.57 | krka | or extra health? |
| 07:03.02 | nevcairiel | krka: nah, rebirth with 100% hp/mp |
| 07:03.06 | Thrae | Jerub: It's 100% Health, not 100% Health and 100% Power |
| 07:03.07 | Jerub | sorry, i said unburdneed rebirth when i meant rebirth. |
| 07:03.21 | nevcairiel | oh yeah Thrae is right, its only health |
| 07:03.28 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, ideally you shouldn't fuck up. if you do fuck up, it's usually not recoverable, even with the little extra edge. if you do fuck up, and it's recoverable, it's possible you wouldn't have if you'd spent the glyph on something more useful |
| 07:03.31 | nevcairiel | unburdend is just a minor glyph |
| 07:03.34 | Jerub | crap, is it? |
| 07:03.43 | nevcairiel | and thats worth always having |
| 07:03.50 | nevcairiel | since there arent many good minor glyphs anyway |
| 07:03.51 | Thrae | Yeah, which is why I usually throw it on someone without Mana |
| 07:04.00 | ZorbaTHut | if you do fuck up, and it's recoverable, and you still would have otherwise, then that glyph is useful. but a better solution is to figure out why you're fucking up and stop fucking up |
| 07:04.04 | Jerub | glyph of WG isn't worth it for 10mans i don't think. |
| 07:04.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: well, i'm not arguing this particular case, just that glyphing on a fight-by-fight basis is not that crazy |
| 07:04.06 | krka | rebirth-glyphs are awesome in pugs :P |
| 07:04.12 | ZorbaTHut | if your tank is being one-hit in a raid, it's reasonably likely it'll be two-hit :P |
| 07:04.15 | Jerub | GoRR i used to love then i realised how it was burning my mana to keep hots rolling |
| 07:04.21 | Thrae | Being an OT I have the chance to throw out both a Rebirth and Innervate when needed |
| 07:04.22 | nevcairiel | I use swiftmend and rapid rejuv as my fixed set |
| 07:04.26 | nevcairiel | the third changes sometimes |
| 07:04.42 | ZorbaTHut | it's not *hugely* crazy, but there's a difference between "I use Rebirth because of Marrowgar" and "I use Rebirth on Marrowgar, and (something else) otherwise" |
| 07:04.44 | krka | you can change glyphcs on a fight-by-fight basis? |
| 07:04.44 | Jerub | i use RR when main tank healing hard fights |
| 07:04.47 | krka | is that new? |
| 07:04.58 | Thrae | krka: If you have enough money, sure |
| 07:05.00 | ZorbaTHut | krka, yeah, you can reglyph in the field now |
| 07:05.07 | nevcairiel | krka: they removed the requirement to go to towns to glyph long ago |
| 07:05.10 | krka | i see |
| 07:05.14 | ZorbaTHut | depending on the glyphs it may or may not be financially practical |
| 07:05.16 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: marrowgar was just an example, but to extend the example, marrowgar, deathwhisper, festergut |
| 07:05.32 | Jerub | they're cheaper than elixers |
| 07:05.33 | krka | that's nice, makes inscription more desirable |
| 07:05.46 | nevcairiel | If you plan your playstyle around someone dieing, you're doing it wrong, imho =) |
| 07:05.55 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, honestly, I think you may be overestimating the value. I mean, I've been battle ressed on Marrowgar |
| 07:06.11 | Thrae | If you plan your playstyle around someone *not* dying, you're doing it wrong, imho ;) |
| 07:06.27 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: that's possible, but grizzly in mind that i've just never not had that glyph, so i dunno. |
| 07:06.29 | Thrae | s/*not*/*never*/ |
| 07:06.33 | nevcairiel | i usually just hot+swiftmend someone that i ressed, or if its a tank and needs a shitton of hp, even NS/HT |
| 07:06.49 | nevcairiel | never had big issues |
| 07:07.04 | nevcairiel | gotta have to know *when* to rezz .. well and that person when to accept |
| 07:07.07 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Not NS+Reg? |
| 07:07.18 | Jerub | i had a paladin (top dps too, grumble) die twice after bresses the other night. |
| 07:07.27 | Jerub | oh, can i ask an icc10 question? |
| 07:07.51 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, one of my friends showed me a combat log page with him dying five times in a single battle |
| 07:07.57 | Jerub | deathwhisper, how much of her mana shield do you burn between add waves. |
| 07:08.07 | nevcairiel | Thrae: i have to cast HT for something, or i would feel sad not using any of my heals .D |
| 07:08.19 | ZorbaTHut | funny thing is he'd only gotten battleressed three times. nobody could figure out where the last one came from |
| 07:08.21 | krka | ZorbaTHut: how is that possible? 5 other people with battle res? |
| 07:08.28 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Haha, well I use HT while in Feral because of Naturalist ;) |
| 07:08.34 | ZorbaTHut | krka, 3 others only |
| 07:08.41 | ZorbaTHut | (all of which had in fact battleressed him) |
| 07:08.42 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: ... where did it come from? |
| 07:08.45 | nevcairiel | soulstones? |
| 07:09.00 | nevcairiel | is he a shaman? :d |
| 07:09.01 | ZorbaTHut | might've been a soulstone. I seem to recall that the battle log just didn't say, and nobody remembered |
| 07:09.14 | ZorbaTHut | not a shaman (or a priest with improved death :P) |
| 07:09.17 | Thrae | Soulstones + Reincarnation + Rebirth + Darkmoon Card: Twisting Nether |
| 07:09.29 | ZorbaTHut | haha, that would be awesome |
| 07:09.37 | ZorbaTHut | plus if you're dying that often it's more chances for Twisting Nether to proc :D |
| 07:10.20 | nevcairiel | if you're dying that often, you are doing it wrong ,) |
| 07:10.33 | ZorbaTHut | it's the new ablative tanking method |
| 07:10.41 | ZorbaTHut | you just keep rotating new tanks in for each hit |
| 07:10.47 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 07:11.21 | Thrae | Too bad Reincarnation-like spells which are random aren't really designed for most boss fights, where if a few people die than the boss probably does something that either heals them to full or enrages them |
| 07:11.44 | Thrae | Or both |
| 07:11.46 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think any modern boss does that |
| 07:12.48 | Thrae | I guess it depends on the class |
| 07:13.20 | Jerub | is festergut the one withthe gas cloud? |
| 07:13.23 | nevcairiel | bosses that were designed to kill some people always felt weird |
| 07:13.29 | Thrae | Mages might find it interesting getting Reincarnated then using Evocation with Glyph of Evocation to heal and mana back to full |
| 07:13.32 | Jerub | because i died in that and it made tanking considerably easier once i got rid of the debuff :P |
| 07:13.47 | krka | nevcairiel: don't all bosses try to kill you? |
| 07:13.55 | nevcairiel | shush! |
| 07:14.00 | nevcairiel | i meant, like a fixed mechanic |
| 07:14.04 | nevcairiel | like, vael in bwl |
| 07:14.20 | Adys | for those interested |
| 07:14.21 | Adys | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15561-PythonBLPconverterlibraryPIL.html |
| 07:14.26 | Adys | Added BLP1 support |
| 07:14.30 | Adys | (and I kinda need testers) |
| 07:14.42 | Thrae | Hmm, I can think of an ICC non-raid boss off the top of my head -- Tyrranus |
| 07:14.43 | ZorbaTHut | nev, the hard mode of the three dark iron dudes in Ulduar |
| 07:14.47 | ZorbaTHut | (forget the name offhand) |
| 07:14.55 | nevcairiel | iron council? ^ |
| 07:15.00 | ZorbaTHut | yeah that's them |
| 07:15.17 | Thrae | Once Pit of Saron Heroic unlocks based on Blizzard's gear algorithm, Tyrranus can easily one-shot people with Rimfang or Unholy Power |
| 07:15.19 | nevcairiel | but where did you have to let someone die there? or is my memory so fuzzy |
| 07:15.38 | Thrae | I think they might have nerfed him a little since release |
| 07:15.50 | Thrae | Rimfang used to one-shot everyone who didn't dodge |
| 07:15.54 | ZorbaTHut | if you're doing the top hard mode, the big guy puts a debuff on his aggro target that makes him fatally explode after 30 seconds |
| 07:16.09 | ZorbaTHut | you gotta kill him before you run out of tanks |
| 07:17.12 | nevcairiel | oh yeah i remember |
| 07:17.17 | Thrae | I don't see how anyone can kill the Lich King after fighting him in Halls of Reflection. I entered a HoR already in progress so I was behind the Lich King (waaaaaay behind him), walked two steps, got hit for 1,000,000 damage (200,000 resisted) |
| 07:17.21 | nevcairiel | you could use a ret pally or a dps dk to save a tank |
| 07:17.24 | nevcairiel | if you were careful |
| 07:18.14 | krka | Thrae: yeah that's a bit immersion breaking |
| 07:18.43 | Thrae | krka: The whole Halls of Reflection is rather immersion breaking |
| 07:19.09 | krka | if they made the HoR-LK be at the same level as the real endgame LK, it would still be hard enough |
| 07:19.33 | Thrae | Jaina has an infinite Ice Barrier until you reach her, the Lich King can be stopped by blasting some rocks in his way for someone who deals 1,000,000 damage |
| 07:19.38 | nevcairiel | he could just wtfpwn you with frostmourne once he reaches you |
| 07:20.19 | Thrae | In ToC the Lich King shows he can break the floor, why can't he break through those rocks? |
| 07:20.41 | nevcairiel | he probably can, but you run onto the shiip to fleeeee |
| 07:21.17 | nevcairiel | its not like you defeat him, you barely get away with your life |
| 07:21.26 | Thrae | Yeah, except Jaina doesn't do something that makes sense like run onto the ship and teleport you there (also, her OP teleport-everyone-to-me spell) |
| 07:21.57 | nevcairiel | she is weak from destroying all those ice walls, of course |
| 07:23.22 | Thrae | Considering the size of the raid that is needed to down the faction leaders, I wonder why they don't go out and 5-man the Lich King |
| 07:24.02 | ZorbaTHut | honestly you don't need much of a raid to kill the faction leaders at all anymore |
| 07:24.08 | nevcairiel | last time one of the big dudes tried to face the lich king, he ended up with his face to the ground at the wrath gate |
| 07:24.15 | ZorbaTHut | I almost took down Thrall with 30 people, ten below 80 |
| 07:24.19 | ZorbaTHut | we only lost 'cause the horde showed up to defend |
| 07:24.36 | Thrae | That reminds me about WCIII, which reminds me about SCII |
| 07:24.45 | ZorbaTHut | people were killing the faction leaders with a full raid of 70's in that time period between 3.0 and the Wrath release. |
| 07:25.03 | nevcairiel | which was kinda silly |
| 07:25.04 | krka | that would be cool, all the faction leaders just porting to icecrown and oneshotting the lich king |
| 07:25.11 | nevcairiel | considering they got harder with 3.0 release |
| 07:25.26 | nevcairiel | but what dont you do for achievements :d |
| 07:25.33 | Thrae | If you ever played WCII, remember how you had to kill ALL enemy units? That sucked. Usually someone throws a Peon/Peasant somewhere and you have to search the entire map to find him... |
| 07:25.46 | nevcairiel | hehe yeah |
| 07:26.03 | Thrae | I forget if it was the same in SC, I think both SC and WCIII were building-based |
| 07:26.09 | krka | yup |
| 07:26.17 | krka | so people hide towers instead |
| 07:26.21 | Thrae | Still you could piss 'em off with a small building built somewhere random |
| 07:26.22 | krka | or floating buildings |
| 07:26.24 | nevcairiel | now they just throw a pylon on every corner of the map |
| 07:26.41 | Thrae | hehe |
| 07:26.49 | krka | atleast WC3 shows the entire map if someone is nearly dead |
| 07:27.16 | Thrae | I don't think that was in WC3 release, patch? |
| 07:28.02 | Thrae | Anyway, speaking of Blizzard games, I hope we see Level 85+ Elite versions of the Lost Vikings in Cataclysm |
| 07:28.57 | krka | in uldaman you mean? |
| 07:29.20 | Thrae | Yeah, Heroic Uldaman |
| 07:29.33 | airtonix | ? |
| 07:29.56 | airtonix | The Lost Vikings... is it not a megadrive game ? |
| 07:30.26 | Thrae | It was made for the two major consoles and than handhelds |
| 07:30.51 | Thrae | There was also a Lost Vikings II where the Lost Vikings became cyborgs |
| 07:31.38 | airtonix | and now they've been marginalised for pubescent teens to loot ? |
| 07:31.45 | airtonix | yet again |
| 07:32.25 | airtonix | look at it from their point of view |
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| 07:33.24 | Jerub | Thrae: in SC2, if you destroy all their commandcenters they get revealed on your map |
| 07:33.32 | Jerub | Thrae: so you can hunt them down super easily |
| 07:33.40 | krka | lame, they stole it from WC2 |
| 07:33.47 | krka | 3 i mean |
| 07:40.34 | Jerub | krka: :P |
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| 07:48.36 | kaiden | Can any of the wowi mods please smack the addon DPS Module from LiteStats. I have told the guy to fix his addon multiple times and he keeps uploading copies that delete other addons if you use Minion to install it |
| 07:48.43 | Shadowed | kaiden: ? |
| 07:49.22 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 07:49.35 | kaiden | the first iteration he had a folder called LitePanels in it which overwrite Katae's litepanels addon with a blank layout.lua killing everyones config that installed his addon |
| 07:49.46 | Cairenn | >< |
| 07:49.54 | Shadowed | A link would make this easier :p |
| 07:50.02 | kaiden | now he's got an empty LitePanels folder in the addon which when you install with Minion it kills the litepanels folder completely getting rid of your layout and everything |
| 07:50.12 | kaiden | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=16020#info |
| 07:50.36 | Cairenn | and he's been made aware of the fact that this is screwing up other people's stuff? |
| 07:50.46 | kaiden | yes, multiple times |
| 07:51.12 | Arrowmaster | from the comments, if this was on curse i would have site banned him already |
| 07:51.39 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: we can't very well ban someone until we know about the problem, now can we? |
| 07:51.45 | Shadowed | well we can |
| 07:51.47 | Shadowed | We'd just be unfair |
| 07:52.12 | kaiden | I explained what he was doing and he started going on and on about me not having to use his addon, while i understand that, but if you are going to put up an addon for others |
| 07:52.16 | kaiden | you should make it non-malicious in nature |
| 07:52.22 | kaiden | at least, that's how i feel |
| 07:52.33 | Cairenn | kaiden: completely |
| 07:52.49 | Shadowed | It's being dealt with kaiden, thanks |
| 07:52.54 | kaiden | thank you very much :) |
| 07:53.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah the comments are basically summed up as 'you installed it, you are responsible for the results' |
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| 07:53.55 | kaiden | yeah i wasn't exactly nice about it in all honesty, but i had just spent 4 hours configuring my litepanels/litestats since it's a non gui based config you have to type it all out |
| 07:54.02 | kaiden | and along came his addon and washed it all way |
| 07:54.05 | kaiden | hehe |
| 07:54.17 | DWSR | hands kaiden a beer. |
| 07:55.17 | zenzio | "With Ubisoft's fantastically awful new DRM you must be online and logged in to their servers to play the games you buy. Not only was this DRM broken the very first day it was released, but now their authentication servers have failed so absolutely that no-one who legally bought their games can play them." |
| 07:55.26 | DWSR | FAIL! |
| 07:55.30 | DWSR | ~ubisoft-- |
| 07:55.33 | zenzio | indeed |
| 07:55.50 | zenzio | "I don't get it, it worked fine when we tested it in-house!" ;) |
| 07:56.24 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1616 |
| 07:56.37 | Arrowmaster | i have a policy of if i find an addon includes a top level dir belonging to another addon i will remove either the file or the project because it breaks the curse client |
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| 08:02.21 | zenzio | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/07/funny-pictures-there-hot-stuffs/ |
| 08:03.08 | Cairenn | awwww /blush |
| 08:03.14 | Cairenn | and, cute kitteh! |
| 08:03.16 | Arathros | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwqXuMPsoc&feature=channel best funny song ever |
| 08:06.00 | Shadowed | hahah |
| 08:06.16 | Arathros | its soo epic |
| 08:06.54 | DWSR | hehe |
| 08:07.53 | Arathros | inventors of the shish kebaha and dont let them touch your balls ;P |
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| 08:13.34 | Shadowed | yesss no cairenn |
| 08:13.38 | Shadowed | I RULE THE CHANNEL NOW MY MINIONS |
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| 08:14.05 | Shadowed | it doesn't work very well when I can do it too! |
| 08:14.11 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o Shadowed] by dolby |
| 08:14.16 | dolby | =p |
| 08:14.23 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shadowed] by ChanServ |
| 08:14.28 | Shadowed | I already know the chanserv command to op :P |
| 08:14.34 | dolby | hehe |
| 08:14.52 | dolby | well i can ban you from wowi i guess |
| 08:14.59 | Shadowed | whoo, vacation! |
| 08:15.10 | dolby | hehe yeah no kidding eh? |
| 08:15.24 | Shadowed | technically you just make Cairenn do more work |
| 08:15.33 | Wobin | http://abstrusegoose.com/249 |
| 08:16.18 | dolby | um not when she isnt here |
| 08:16.22 | Shadowed | true |
| 08:16.23 | dolby | makes more work for me then |
| 08:16.28 | Shadowed | I'm fine with that |
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| 08:16.39 | Shadowed | :d |
| 08:16.46 | Shadowed | actually she should be back by now |
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| 08:26.45 | DWSR | NE female tabards are 2 piece? |
| 08:26.46 | DWSR | WTF? |
| 08:27.04 | zenzio | ..? |
| 08:27.32 | Arrowmaster | oh the bottom part being like a loin cloth? |
| 08:27.58 | Arrowmaster | thought it was like that for a few different race/gender combos |
| 08:29.13 | ZorbaTHut | pretty sure it's like that on most characters, so that the belt appears to cover the bottom of the tabard without having to render actual geometry |
| 08:29.26 | ZorbaTHut | well, the middle |
| 08:29.45 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 08:30.04 | Arrowmaster | like only the top half is even visable when wearing a robe |
| 08:31.45 | DWSR | WTF? |
| 08:31.57 | DWSR | Oculus won't give me the Cache of the Ley-Guardian. |
| 08:32.28 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: My male human isn't like that (at least I don't think). |
| 08:37.12 | Arathros | 300 lines of code just to create the dam frames for unitframes lol |
| 08:42.00 | nevcairiel | eh, trying to debug an addon and my ptr suddenly dies with a 134 about a broken model, now i cant login anymore |
| 08:42.02 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 08:42.10 | nevcairiel | time to reinstall it, i guess |
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| 08:51.20 | ZorbaTHut | whoa, you can queue for Ramparts at 57 |
| 08:51.46 | nevcairiel | funny considering how you can basically only go there at 58 |
| 08:52.01 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'm not allowed to walk in the front gate, but I'm allowed to get teleported there |
| 08:52.15 | ZorbaTHut | and I'm pretty sure I can't use any drops from there |
| 08:52.26 | nevcairiel | nah, they are pretty much 60 required |
| 08:52.43 | ZorbaTHut | instance joined! levels: 62, 62, 61, 60, 57 |
| 08:52.44 | ZorbaTHut | bam |
| 08:52.52 | nevcairiel | but 57->60 is 30 minutes of work |
| 08:52.53 | ZorbaTHut | let's see if I can still top the damage meters |
| 08:53.19 | nevcairiel | well ok ,58 -> 60 is, once you can get into outlands |
| 08:53.24 | ZorbaTHut | and rankwatch is already going off |
| 08:54.14 | nevcairiel | people complain yet? ;) |
| 08:55.32 | ZorbaTHut | nope |
| 08:55.40 | ZorbaTHut | trying to reach 3rd on the damage meter :( |
| 08:56.31 | nevcairiel | with my tank, around lvl 76 or so, i was always #2 on dmg meters, even that one 80 warrior was far below me :( |
| 08:56.49 | nevcairiel | we did old kingdom, and i was the only one that managed his shadows alone |
| 08:56.51 | nevcairiel | was really sad |
| 08:57.18 | nevcairiel | (warrior tank) |
| 08:58.24 | ZorbaTHut | tank is pulling four groups at once, which is unfortunate from the viewpoint of my rogue |
| 08:59.56 | ZorbaTHut | plus everything here is effectively boss-level or higher to me :D who needs to hit things anyway |
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| 09:08.11 | ZorbaTHut | goddamn, an entire instance full of spellmail. even the greens. |
| 09:13.09 | Wobin | do we have a link to an article that says whether the Nagle fix works or doesn't work? |
| 09:13.31 | nevcairiel | imho, it just gives you a better visual of your ping time =p |
| 09:13.32 | zenzio | Nagle fix? |
| 09:14.09 | nevcairiel | i dont apply it anymore, but for you aussies it might still be worth something |
| 09:14.33 | haste | wth |
| 09:14.49 | haste | if I use ssh compression screen locks up |
| 09:15.05 | haste | (even on my phone!) |
| 09:15.08 | nevcairiel | easy fix: dont |
| 09:15.21 | haste | yes, but it wasn't exactly obvious |
| 09:15.38 | haste | if only tmux didn't fail on dead keys |
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| 09:20.48 | nevcairiel | man reinstalling the 3.3.3 ptr is annoying |
| 09:20.54 | nevcairiel | have to apply *every* 3.3.0 patch :( |
| 09:21.38 | nevcairiel | and there is like 15 of them |
| 09:21.53 | haste | four you mean |
| 09:22.26 | nevcairiel | 0.3.0.10522 -> 0.3.0.10958 are 14 patches |
| 09:22.33 | haste | wat |
| 09:22.38 | nevcairiel | and then 3 more 0.3.3 patches |
| 09:22.46 | haste | oh |
| 09:23.04 | haste | reminds me of SWG's PTR |
| 09:23.15 | nevcairiel | isnt 958 the live version of 3.3.0? |
| 09:23.23 | nevcairiel | they shouldve just setup a installer to pull that |
| 09:23.24 | Fisker | omg i'm killing you |
| 09:23.25 | haste | not sure |
| 09:23.40 | Fisker | They're lazy nevcairiel |
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| 09:54.17 | Kaso | So lua 5.2 work hey |
| 09:54.30 | Kaso | a horrible bitlib included apparently |
| 09:55.15 | nevcairiel | its not horrible, its portable |
| 09:56.18 | Kaso | but also inconsistent with all other bitlibs that are out there atm isnt it? |
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| 10:06.30 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/03/08/funny-pictures-bunny-noms-flower |
| 10:06.52 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 10:06.57 | Cairenn | too cute |
| 10:07.02 | Cairenn | sleeps |
| 10:07.18 | Shadowed | night cair |
| 10:07.42 | Cairenn|afk | awwww, tooooooo cute when cleaning his sweet little face! |
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| 10:11.36 | digmouse|work | which MMORPG or RPG first featured Critical Strike? |
| 10:12.45 | Wobin | suddenly feels like there's a trivia countdown clock ticking ominously |
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| 10:14.57 | Kaso | probably goes all the way back to D&D and its miniatures predecessors doesnt it? I'm not sure about that though |
| 10:15.47 | Thrae | This was already answered in the excellent #wowhead channel. |
| 10:16.15 | Kaso | and what pray-tell did they conclude? |
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| 10:19.56 | Thrae | Cairenn|afk: I have determined that Cats Like Raiding. My cats usually want petting of course, but they get super-aggressive when I'm raiding, or even about to start raiding. I could be doing random things on WoW for hours and they don't care. The second I start *thinking* about raiding, they're all over me and don't heed my "not now, please." |
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| 10:51.55 | airtonix | Thrae, you smell different when you raid. |
| 10:52.17 | airtonix | Thrae, you should change your clothes. |
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| 11:41.33 | haste | Thrae: "haste and his fucnking cats" is a common quote on our VT |
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| 12:26.38 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/In-game_developer_guilds << when /will/ we start raiding molten core? |
| 12:27.23 | nevcairiel | i didnt even know we had a EU guild |
| 12:27.53 | foxlit | It's the only one that the armory still recognizes, surprisingly. |
| 12:28.01 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 12:28.07 | foxlit | No members, but at least the name comes up. |
| 12:28.08 | Kalroth | It's alliance :/ |
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| 13:35.40 | Kaso | I'm sure there will be active dev guilds on the cataclysm beta server when its available |
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| 13:47.50 | Elkano | get rid of "active" and you should be fine ;) |
| 13:53.12 | nevcairiel | in dev guilds we just idle and build addons, its kinda not much to call "active" |
| 13:58.29 | Elkano | "Good morning!" - *silence* - 20min later: "oh, hi, sorry... I was coding..." - another 20min later: "ups... so was I... thanks ^^"... |
| 13:58.41 | Elkano | much like IRC at early hours ;) |
| 14:01.22 | zenzio | hai peppy! |
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| 14:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | Morning dear. |
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| 14:04.46 | Kaso | A question to people more knowledgeable than I : Using would it be possible for blizzard to use something like luaJIT in wow? And would there be disadvantages to that? |
| 14:05.56 | nevcairiel | would be possible, disadvantage being that all the proven work they did would be lost, and thus, never going to happen |
| 14:06.36 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/shark_twitter_comic.jpg |
| 14:06.57 | nevcairiel | also luajit is only available for x86 and x64 .. isnt there a wow ppc client as well? |
| 14:08.10 | Kaso | Yeah the apple website does seem to suggest it is universal, i didnt consider that |
| 14:08.35 | Lopeppeppy | Many more things are possible, far fewer are probable. |
| 14:10.13 | Kaso | Final question: would it be as beneficial to addon developers as my naive mind imagines it would? Or are the main performance problems of wow addons something that cant be solved with faster interpretation? |
| 14:10.50 | Lopeppeppy | If it doesn't work for WoW itself, it will be absolutely NO help to any addons, no matter how helpful it actually is to addons. If you catch my drift. |
| 14:11.08 | nevcairiel | eh, it probably wouldnt be that big of an advantage |
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| 14:11.27 | nevcairiel | main problem of addons is thread issue |
| 14:11.33 | nevcairiel | +s |
| 14:11.49 | nevcairiel | being directly integrated into the rendering thread cuts down performance |
| 14:11.54 | foxlit | should run them parallel to world rendering, clearly. |
| 14:11.59 | nevcairiel | or rather, addon performance manages to cut down fps |
| 14:12.50 | nevcairiel | UI stuff is event based anyway, i don't see how that wouldnt be possible |
| 14:12.57 | zenzio | they should have been running in a parallel universe to the rendering thread! |
| 14:15.02 | nevcairiel | running every addon in its own thread would be uber awesome, but cause alot of complexity for addon devs ,) |
| 14:15.13 | Kaso | speaking more broadly, why don't lua co-routines run in independent threads? i guess that's prob more of a #lua question but given that it flows on from the conversation. |
| 14:15.28 | foxlit | Kaso: different ideas. |
| 14:16.04 | foxlit | coroutines are design around cooperative multitasking; Lua runtime doesn't cope with multiple threads. |
| 14:16.56 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: then we'd have "WTF IS WOW CREATING 243 THREADS?" |
| 14:17.01 | Kalroth | posts on the forums* |
| 14:17.13 | nevcairiel | good that task managers dont show thread count by default |
| 14:17.39 | Kalroth | then we'll have "HOW 2 SEE THREDS IN TASK MANEGE??" |
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| 14:19.04 | nevcairiel | but yeah, splitting off the addon engine into its own thread would probably give it quite a nice boost |
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| 14:21.59 | Kaso | foxlit: my low-level knowledge isn't the best, but I presume lua wouldn't want to add preemptive multi-tasking because that'd introduce complication with synchronisation, dead-locks and all that horrible stuff? |
| 14:24.13 | nevcairiel | real multitasking requires concepts of locks, semaphores or a monitor design, and you would have to rely on the system having threading, which would cut into poratbility again |
| 14:28.04 | foxlit | Something as simple as tables becomes a problem once you introduce multiple threads -- two of them might decide to insert a key/resize the table at the same time, which would require syncrhonization. |
| 14:28.59 | foxlit | An alternative would be to heavily restrict variable sharing between threads, but even that means extra code. |
| 14:29.32 | Lopeppeppy | Extra code means extra work. Why do extra? |
| 14:30.02 | foxlit | Plus they'd get to reengineer their entire API (or slap a giant lock in front of any API call) to be reentrant. Boo. |
| 14:30.53 | Kalroth | plus it'd be slower |
| 14:31.07 | Kalroth | with that many blocking calls, that is |
| 14:32.11 | nevcairiel | yeah, lua itself as multi-threaded is too much work |
| 14:33.10 | nevcairiel | I would still be curious how it would impact WoW to move Lua into a new thread |
| 14:33.45 | foxlit | Can you be sure it isn't already in a thread? |
| 14:33.46 | nevcairiel | would mean it requires some locking when you interface from Lua to the drawn interface |
| 14:34.05 | foxlit | Just with a couple of joins to make world and UI rendering sync? |
| 14:34.36 | nevcairiel | eh, if its threaded, it has too much synch, as a busy-wait loop will make the game halt |
| 14:34.53 | foxlit | That's fine. |
| 14:35.05 | nevcairiel | there is no advantage in that, then |
| 14:35.18 | foxlit | That depends. |
| 14:35.20 | nevcairiel | the point is to keep rendering going even if addons do calc |
| 14:35.26 | krka | nevcairiel: real multitasking could be done with message passing too |
| 14:36.08 | foxlit | nevcairiel: it's (render world) (perform events) (render addons) sequentially versus (render world) and (perform events) in parallel, with (render addons) after that. |
| 14:36.20 | foxlit | The second is better than the first; I have no idea what they actually do. |
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| 14:37.08 | nevcairiel | krka: doesnt message passing use one of the other concepts internally to synchronize anyway? |
| 14:37.32 | krka | yeah, but it's atleast transparent to the developer |
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| 14:46.08 | Wobin | http://ursulav.livejournal.com/961367.html |
| 14:46.13 | Wobin | I so <3 Ursula |
| 14:47.27 | Lopeppeppy | Adult content warning, I take it this can sometimes be NSFW. |
| 14:47.34 | Wobin | well |
| 14:47.37 | Wobin | mentions of zombies |
| 14:47.45 | Wobin | but certainly nothing nsfw |
| 14:47.50 | Wobin | no pictures or the like |
| 14:48.07 | Lopeppeppy | Having the adult content filter on is enough to get it blocked for me, sadly. Oh well. |
| 14:48.15 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 14:48.21 | Wobin | =( |
| 14:50.06 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: I think it's just a blanket warning for LJ, but if your workplace is stupid about it you may want to check it at home instead |
| 14:50.09 | zenzio | also; funny link |
| 14:50.28 | Wobin | zenzio, ursualv is well worth friending for her posts |
| 14:52.55 | Lopeppeppy | zenzio, it's not a blanket warning, it's a setting per journal that each user chooses for themselves. Remember, I have one too. :) |
| 14:53.05 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.23 | Wobin | I would name some of her art as nsfw |
| 14:53.27 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: well I don't, so I assumed! |
| 14:53.28 | Wobin | but generally it's due to language |
| 14:53.48 | Wobin | and it's more of a 13+ filter than anything =P |
| 14:54.13 | zenzio | 15+ according to the text ("I am over 14") |
| 14:54.26 | Wobin | oh aye |
| 14:54.36 | Wobin | so, not particularly... 'adult' |
| 14:55.36 | Lopeppeppy | Still, I'm sure they set their filters at "omg, it has a warning page, omg omg!!" |
| 14:56.09 | zenzio | yeah |
| 14:56.16 | zenzio | Betty keeps you safe |
| 14:56.34 | Lopeppeppy | She does, it's not her fault. |
| 14:57.17 | Lopeppeppy | They are very permissive on this campus, but a warning splash page seems to be where they draw the line. Which is not really all that hideous, for a workplace and a place with children under 18. |
| 14:59.04 | zenzio | I was under the impression most children were under 18 |
| 14:59.26 | Fisker | hello Wobin |
| 15:00.09 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sYVLHwf7JQ&feature=player_embedded |
| 15:00.15 | Wobin | you totally expect it... |
| 15:00.19 | Wobin | but you really really don't |
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| 15:01.47 | Lopeppeppy | No, a lot of individuals over 18 are still stupid children. Trust me. |
| 15:02.00 | Lopeppeppy | However, it has specific legal meaning to a residential college. :) |
| 15:02.39 | Corrodias | nsfw art? where? :D |
| 15:03.20 | Wobin | http://ursulav.deviantart.com/ |
| 15:03.21 | Wobin | well |
| 15:03.33 | Wobin | if you consider little tiny penii with cupid wings nsfw |
| 15:03.36 | Corrodias | our workplace has a reasonably effective filter that nonetheless gets in my way. fortunately they either don't notice my usage of a proxy on the yahoo and RDP ports or they don't care. |
| 15:03.48 | Wobin | ursula tends towards the... weird fluffy stuff |
| 15:06.27 | Lopeppeppy | Only things I've ever seen us filter are places with splash warning "must be over age X" screens. |
| 15:07.05 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, you can't log into LJ? |
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| 15:07.24 | Wobin | cause that'll remove the warning |
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| 15:24.15 | Arathros | is there a way to get the ID for the partyleader |
| 15:24.36 | Arathros | !api GetPArty |
| 15:24.37 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'GetPArty': SearchLFGGetPartyResults, GetPartyAssignment, GetPartyMember, GetPartyLeaderIndex, GetPartyLFGBackfillInfo |
| 15:32.59 | kaiden^ | hey all, i have this problem where when i go out of combat at that instant i get a jerk on the screen, where no animations or anything occur for just a second then starts back up |
| 15:33.08 | Arathros | !api GetPartyAssignment |
| 15:33.08 | lua_bot | GetPartyAssignment: Returns whether a party/raid member is assigned a specific group role (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPartyAssignment) |
| 15:33.10 | kaiden^ | like a stutter, anyone know of a way to figure out what addon might be doing that? |
| 15:34.10 | Arathros | !api GetPartyLeaderIndex |
| 15:34.10 | lua_bot | GetPartyLeaderIndex: Returns the index of the current party leader (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPartyLeaderIndex) |
| 15:35.32 | Ackis | A picture of Lara Croft looking REALLY hot http://bit.ly/9FQGTS (SFW funny :P) |
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| 15:40.47 | Kraps | meh, you can take a direct taxi from dalaran to wyrnrest, but not from dalaran to wintergarde keep which directly east of wyrnrest |
| 15:42.10 | Arathros | anyone know about the LFG assignments. |
| 15:42.16 | Arathros | heal tank dps dps |
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| 15:48.53 | amro | Kraps: NR taxis are totally broken |
| 15:48.57 | amro | they don't really expect people to use them |
| 15:50.44 | Kraps | how are they worse than any other taxies? |
| 15:50.52 | Kraps | they all suck |
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| 15:55.40 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, I could, but not at that splash page. :) |
| 15:55.50 | Kaso | kaiden^: I'm not sure how technical you are, but if you can run a profiling addon that can list the CPU time used by an addon, look for an addon whose cpu time used jumps a fair bit after the stutter |
| 15:58.22 | amro | Kraps: old world taxies are a lot more interconnected |
| 15:58.40 | amro | the only exceptions being marshal's refuge and cenarion hold |
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| 15:59.39 | theorbtwo | Taxis aren't terribly useful where you can fly yourself, so it makes a lot of sense that the old world ones are better. |
| 16:00.07 | amro | yep, that's pretty much what I said |
| 16:00.36 | amro | however, they're not totally useless. if I'm going to afk, I'd rather use a taxi than autorun and end up somewhere in the frozen sea |
| 16:00.53 | olafski | I always use taxis whenever possible.. can't be bothered to steer myself :) |
| 16:01.08 | olafski | then again, I don't have much reason to leave dalaran/ironforge ever :< |
| 16:01.31 | theorbtwo | Most of the time, steering isn't really neccessary, just point youreslf in the right direction, and somewhat upward. |
| 16:01.50 | theorbtwo | OK, no need for *active* steering. |
| 16:02.13 | theorbtwo | Thankfully, the top of the world is a wall, not a killing plane. |
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| 16:03.58 | amro | it's not really a wall |
| 16:04.13 | amro | and it makes your mount scream for some reason |
| 16:04.24 | Kraps | ^ |
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| 16:04.53 | Kraps | probably,"dude i'm not going any higher!" |
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| 16:07.59 | Kaso | i'd be fun if they could simulate loss of lift at the ceiling somehow |
| 16:08.32 | Kaso | so if you go beyond it the further you get your rate of climb slowed and eventuallly reversed and you fell |
| 16:08.38 | Kaso | but that'd be alot of work ;p |
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| 16:12.07 | Lopeppeppy | work sucks, I know. |
| 16:13.57 | amro | Kaso: the ceiling is really weird stuff. it's not even across zones (e.g. wg prenerf) |
| 16:14.08 | Ackis | Fisker: http://twitter.com/Ubisoft/status/10176718426 lol |
| 16:14.15 | Kaso | yeah |
| 16:14.16 | amro | and when you move in from a higher ceiling to a lower one, your mount seems to grind against an invisible slope pushing it down |
| 16:14.38 | Kaso | also the ceiling doesnt effect you if you're not on a mount (slowfall, etc) |
| 16:15.09 | Kaso | i've had someone flying with me when i slowfalled off the Storm peaks and they were forced down |
| 16:15.28 | Kaso | forced down over zuldarak i think |
| 16:16.10 | Kraps | Ackis: the AC2 crack probably doesnt count because it doesnt save the game |
| 16:18.06 | amro | no valid cracked versions exist? |
| 16:18.09 | amro | so, nobody can play? |
| 16:18.17 | amro | or did they fix their servers? |
| 16:18.56 | Kraps | they fixed it |
| 16:19.13 | amro | they fail so hard |
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| 16:19.54 | cogwheel | oh the Wells Fargo wagon is a-comin' down the |
| 16:21.18 | Ackis | I feel dirty |
| 16:21.20 | Ackis | someone shoot me |
| 16:21.29 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 16:21.31 | cogwheel | shoots Ackis |
| 16:21.37 | Ackis | yay! |
| 16:22.26 | Kaso | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98927-Ubisoft-DRM-Authentication-Servers-Go-Down |
| 16:22.30 | Kaso | Amusing ^ |
| 16:22.42 | foxlit | are-they-up-yet? |
| 16:25.00 | Kaso | apparently, but the ubisoft forums aren't |
| 16:25.04 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/Ubisoft/status/10167968810 |
| 16:25.55 | Kaso | apparently its a ddos attack, which i think is amusing and points of the intrinsic problem when you introduce a single point of failure |
| 16:26.14 | durcyn | look at those lies. |
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| 16:26.38 | Shadowed | man what a shock! |
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| 16:28.51 | foxlit | Kaso: not like they can't fix that, though. |
| 16:28.56 | Arathros | anyone know about the LFG assignments. where the icons are.. where the check can be made. also with party leader icon. cant seem to find it |
| 16:29.00 | Kaso | ddos you mean? |
| 16:29.04 | foxlit | yes. |
| 16:30.17 | Ackis | olafski: I didn't realize you were 100% with MUA1 |
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| 16:32.38 | foxlit | Aranthos: Interface\LFGFrame\UI-LFG-ICON-ROLES |
| 16:32.46 | foxlit | or UI-LFG-ICON-PORTRAITROLES |
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| 16:44.36 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:45.11 | Kraps | they're "aware of the issue" |
| 16:48.30 | Lopeppeppy | They haven't fixed quests that have been bugged since vanilla. <.< |
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| 16:52.08 | Lunessa | station |
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| 16:53.15 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-dear. |
| 16:57.20 | Arathros | the tex browser doesnt have all the stuff. prob why i cant find shit |
| 16:57.34 | cogwheel | turns in a quest to Crusader Lord Lantinga |
| 16:59.43 | Lopeppeppy | SWEEEEEeeeeeet! |
| 17:00.08 | Lopeppeppy | I just ID'd another sheeple with the facebook virus, 3 weeks after original infection. She is so frellin' stupid. |
| 17:01.49 | Lunessa | I've advocated on numerous occasions that repeat offenders for security violations (avoidable malware, weak password, insecure computer, etc.) have their accounts taken away indefinitely. I get voted down every time. |
| 17:01.55 | Arathros | !api LFG |
| 17:01.55 | lua_bot | Found 70 possible matches for 'LFG'. Please be more specific |
| 17:02.24 | Lopeppeppy | She's one I'd put in that pile. Oh yes. |
| 17:03.37 | Arathros | what about getting their LFG roles. anyway to retrieve that? cant seem to locate ti |
| 17:03.40 | Arathros | ti*it |
| 17:03.48 | Zyonin | I kinda have to chuckle at the FB virus thing since I just went through and changed a bunch of my passwords to avoid such issues |
| 17:07.16 | Fisker | http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/148557-2/DRM_bus.gif |
| 17:07.19 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 17:10.21 | Kraps | wow this looks pretty good |
| 17:10.22 | Kraps | http://www.gatesofandaron.com/medien/screenshots |
| 17:13.35 | Lopeppeppy | Just don't click weird links... I don't understand the people who click weird links. |
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| 17:15.32 | Kraps | weird is good |
| 17:17.25 | Lopeppeppy | Says you. I have a sheeple trying to blame my program for her borked up virus-infested piece of crap computer. I ain't havin' it, no sir. |
| 17:18.20 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy: And now you know what it's like to be an author! |
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| 17:32.46 | Lopeppeppy | My baby loves a bunch of authors. |
| 17:34.34 | ckknight | Fisker: I lol'd as well. |
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| 17:38.57 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12829454022&sid=1 <-fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu- |
| 17:39.03 | Fisker | stop calling it mitm already |
| 17:39.54 | Zyn | Man In The Butt |
| 17:43.45 | Fisker | http://i48.tinypic.com/abt85c.png |
| 17:43.57 | Fisker | i should've known! |
| 17:47.05 | Shirik | someone left me a note on wikipedia saying they want to buy one of my pictures o.o; |
| 17:47.11 | Shirik | pardon me if I don't exactly trust him |
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| 17:52.51 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 17:52.56 | Shirik | rawr? |
| 17:52.56 | Lopeppeppy | Give them a picture of a goat. |
| 17:53.13 | Shirik | a goat? |
| 17:53.49 | Shadowed | http://www.windrifthill.com/Images/Farm/goat3a.jpg that's what a goat is Shirik |
| 17:54.26 | Shirik | thank you |
| 17:56.11 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr they want your picture. |
| 17:56.15 | Lopeppeppy | Ha ha, send them a goat instead! |
| 17:56.20 | Arathros | anyone know the variable to check what LFG roles people havE? |
| 17:56.24 | Arathros | !api lfg role |
| 17:56.24 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'lfg role'. |
| 17:56.34 | Shadowed | anytime Shirik |
| 17:56.43 | Shirik | you are so strange Lopeppeppy |
| 17:57.25 | Shadowed | It's better than what I originally thought she said, which was "give them a picture of goatse" |
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| 17:58.47 | Lopeppeppy | I did not say that at ever-all! |
| 17:58.54 | Shadowed | Thought, not did! |
| 17:59.03 | Lopeppeppy | And yes, I am strange, Shirik, glad you noticed. /flirt |
| 17:59.53 | cogwheel | The portals that demons come out of in ToCr remind me of goatse |
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| 18:02.55 | Shirik | ... |
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| 18:04.59 | Lopeppeppy | cowheel! *laugh* |
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| 18:05.28 | Lopeppeppy | can't show off to alestane if he's not here. Inconvenient. |
| 18:06.17 | cogwheel | casts Ritual of Summoning on alestane |
| 18:06.23 | cogwheel | click teh protal! |
| 18:06.24 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 18:06.27 | Fisker | but not so hey to u cogwheel |
| 18:06.36 | cogwheel | Fisker: how about alfalfa then? |
| 18:07.39 | Kraps | the ptr is taken down finally |
| 18:07.55 | Lopeppeppy | Wish my hand had gotten better soon enough. |
| 18:07.55 | Kraps | hey Bibi |
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| 18:14.39 | Bibi | hey Kraps! |
| 18:15.25 | Arathros | noone might know the answer to what i can do to get info about what role the Unit has in LFG randoms like tank, healer, leader, and damage |
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| 18:15.59 | Kraps | how long does it take between blues posting on the forums and your bluetracker picking them up? |
| 18:23.33 | Lopeppeppy | Athros, it wasn't the GetPartyAssignment stuff? |
| 18:23.50 | Lunessa | ... I just had to explain how to click, double-click, and right-click to someone. shoot me please. |
| 18:24.18 | Lopeppeppy | oh darlin', I'm so sorry. /everclear |
| 18:25.30 | Lunessa | Arathros: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitGroupRolesAssigned |
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| 18:44.31 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you are not in Dallas. |
| 18:44.49 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: No, I'm not. What makes you say this? |
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| 18:45.19 | Lopeppeppy | News headlines of office evils. |
| 18:46.03 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I am 4 hours (by car) away from Dallas. |
| 18:46.12 | Lopeppeppy | I like you there. It is a good place today. |
| 18:46.34 | Lunessa | AFK Lunches. |
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| 18:56.42 | amro | Cide: ping |
| 18:56.51 | Cide | pong |
| 18:57.00 | amro | have you worked with QMutex? |
| 18:57.15 | Cide | nope |
| 18:57.21 | Cide | sorry |
| 18:57.55 | amro | I'm getting an odd error, in that there's no error message |
| 18:58.01 | Cide | nice |
| 18:58.04 | Cide | what error? |
| 18:58.35 | amro | QMutex::lock: mutex lock failure: |
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| 19:03.28 | Cide | nice |
| 19:03.42 | Cide | go dig up the c source :P |
| 19:04.53 | amro | I did, it's something like "QMutex::lock: mutex lock failure: %s", strerr(ret) with ret = mutex_lock(&mutex) |
| 19:05.10 | amro | and as far as I know the only error from mutex_lock is EINVAL |
| 19:06.43 | Lopeppeppy | EEEEEVIL! |
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| 19:13.04 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Lopeppeppy |
| 19:13.04 | purl | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Lopeppeppy is stuck to the floor |
| 19:13.17 | cogwheel | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/03/04/2010-03-04_its_a_coverup_after_snowlady_gets_frosty_looks.html |
| 19:13.28 | cogwheel | *sigh @ puritanical culture* |
| 19:14.27 | Shirik | amro: Is it a recursive mutex? |
| 19:14.34 | amro | yep |
| 19:14.41 | Lunessa | cogwheel: ZOMG BEWBS! MUST HIDE THEM. Can't have people appreciating beauty, they might think about.... SEX. |
| 19:15.15 | cogwheel | QUELLE HORREUR! |
| 19:15.26 | cogwheel | (or is it quel?) |
| 19:15.32 | amro | quelle |
| 19:15.58 | Shirik | you were right cogwheel |
| 19:16.06 | Shirik | horreur /É.ÊÅÊ/ féminin |
| 19:17.38 | Lunessa | FYI for anyone out there trying to make me NOT think about sex by hiding all the bewbs? Doesn't work. Still thinking about it. |
| 19:17.43 | cogwheel | gives a new meaning to snow globes imo... |
| 19:19.03 | amro | how is that snowwoman any different from mannequins? |
| 19:19.18 | amro | they even give mannequins nipples these days |
| 19:19.40 | cogwheel | amro: i dare say if someone put such a mannequin in front of their house the same thing would happen... |
| 19:19.58 | Thunder_Child | the only diff i can see is that it's coming to you vs. you having to go to it |
| 19:20.00 | cogwheel | (at least in US) |
| 19:20.57 | amro | still, you have no obligation to look at people's yards just as you have no obligation to look at store fronts |
| 19:20.59 | Lopeppeppy | If they had chosen to be challenging, they might have had fun with the law. But why argue? Some things are not worth your energy. now they know they have sucky neighbors and need to move. |
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| 19:21.27 | amro | Lopeppeppy: I think the issue is that it would have melted long before the legal arguments would have concluded |
| 19:21.30 | olafski | there's a DK ghoul here called Saqueatierra.. is that from another localization or something? |
| 19:21.38 | cogwheel | amro: americans seem to have this crazy idea that they have the right not to be offended |
| 19:21.51 | Thunder_Child | there is a distinct difference amro, i may not agree with it, but i understand it |
| 19:21.55 | Lunessa | To all those people - FU |
| 19:22.16 | amro | Thunder_Child: I'm sure it's a difference for whomever complained, I'm saying it shouldn't be different for the law |
| 19:22.34 | Ackis | it's worse, there's certain ethnic groups that get their own labels |
| 19:22.36 | Ackis | Fireman |
| 19:22.38 | Ackis | Firewoman |
| 19:22.39 | Ackis | Fireengine |
| 19:22.41 | Ackis | lawls |
| 19:22.58 | cogwheel | like cowboys and engines? |
| 19:23.04 | Ackis | yup |
| 19:24.14 | cogwheel | microsecond = 1.0E-6s? |
| 19:24.51 | foxlit | micro is one better than milli |
| 19:25.05 | foxlit | so yes. |
| 19:25.29 | amro | micro = millionth = 6th |
| 19:25.57 | cogwheel | stupid earthquake |
| 19:26.02 | foxlit | going further in that direction, you get nanoseconds and picoseconds |
| 19:26.05 | cogwheel | knocked 1.26 of 'em off the length of a day |
| 19:26.31 | Thunder_Child | and femto |
| 19:26.35 | Thunder_Child | or however it is spelled |
| 19:27.08 | amro | cogwheel: I'm already feeling the lack of 1.26us of sleep |
| 19:27.42 | foxlit | amro: I'm feeling exactly the opposite -- there's now 1.26µs of waking time missing |
| 19:28.00 | amro | swap? |
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| 19:30.48 | Shirik | That 1.26us of working time is quite critical |
| 19:32.18 | foxlit | Indeed. Makes you miss all the deadlines. |
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| 19:37.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i missed a stoplight by 1.26us the other day, got a ticket. :( |
| 19:37.41 | olafski | O_O |
| 19:37.46 | olafski | they give you such accurate measurements? :S |
| 19:38.24 | NightHawkTheSane | thinks olafski needs to take his sarcasm filter in for a tune-up. just make sure you're not 1.26us late, they're picky about these things. |
| 19:38.34 | olafski | bah |
| 19:38.38 | olafski | damnit :P |
| 19:42.14 | Ackis | *sigh* |
| 19:42.18 | Ackis | they're calling for snow tonight :( |
| 19:42.27 | cogwheel | tell them to stop! |
| 19:42.37 | Ackis | they don't listen to me :P |
| 19:42.49 | Ackis | I know it's only march but I don't want to have to wait til may |
| 19:42.51 | cogwheel | Meteorpwnd |
| 19:42.51 | Ackis | cries |
| 19:42.56 | Ackis | blames Cairenn |
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| 19:43.17 | Cairenn | nods, you should never trust that Cairenn person, she's a real bitch! |
| 19:43.39 | Shirik | ^ |
| 19:44.22 | Lunessa | we lurvs her anyway. With whipped cream on top. |
| 19:44.26 | Shirik | ^ |
| 19:44.31 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 19:44.31 | Thunder_Child | no she isnt, real bitches hit people when they promise to |
| 19:44.54 | Shadowed | Cairenn is mean |
| 19:44.55 | Shadowed | this is true |
| 19:44.59 | NightHawkTheSane | you know.. thats not a hypothesis i'd be terribly willing to test. |
| 19:45.27 | NightHawkTheSane | i have this strange feeling Cairenn's punches would hurt. |
| 19:45.54 | Lunessa | Well there test, and then there's /test/. All I can say is I'm sure I test her patience often, but I wouldn't /test/ her on anything of substance. |
| 19:45.59 | Ackis | http://twitter.com/Ubisoft/status/10184920360 |
| 19:46.22 | Cairenn | giggles at the silly boys |
| 19:46.35 | Lunessa | I mean, I suspect she's the kind of woman who would stub out a ciggy in your chest when she's mad. :P |
| 19:46.45 | Cairenn | not! |
| 19:46.47 | Cairenn | not ever! |
| 19:47.09 | Lunessa | Pssst... I'm trying to build up your mystique. |
| 19:47.23 | Cairenn | no, that's too much for even me, sorry |
| 19:47.33 | cogwheel | who needs a ciggy when you've got a leather whip? |
| 19:47.43 | Cairenn | now, that, otoh .... |
| 19:48.00 | Lunessa | Ok, she'd make you leave the restaurant before your cake and ice cream was served. |
| 19:48.08 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:48.14 | foxlit | I wonder why SC2 auth code box masks input |
| 19:48.16 | Shadowed | NightHawkTheSane: Is it hard to test? We just get Cairenn and a nice person, measure their reactions and we have the answer |
| 19:48.32 | Shadowed | for example, we do the same thing to Lopeppeppy and Cairenn |
| 19:48.54 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 19:49.00 | Lunessa | Shadowed: Your assumptions are flawed. |
| 19:49.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: i'm just worried about being the test subject. :P |
| 19:49.06 | Lopeppeppy | Your statement is fraught with peril, and as Lunessa says, flaws. |
| 19:49.18 | Shadowed | NightHawkTheSane: Well, we also have to find a nice person |
| 19:49.20 | Shadowed | that might be hard |
| 19:49.37 | NightHawkTheSane | touche |
| 19:49.43 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:50.40 | durcyn | hot damn, the steam OSX port includes native ports of Source games at no additional cost over the windows versions |
| 19:51.11 | foxlit | So if I got windows versions, I can get OSX versions for free? |
| 19:51.14 | Cide | that's nice |
| 19:51.46 | durcyn | foxlit: yeah, apparently. more importantly, they're not using WINE |
| 19:52.01 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/03/mario_and_luigi_venture_into_f.php |
| 19:53.12 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Cairenn. Rawr. |
| 19:53.32 | Shadowed | hmm, it's 12 PM and I'm hungry. But then I lose programming time :( |
| 19:53.54 | Lopeppeppy | eatm and you regain brain cells |
| 19:54.10 | Arrowmaster | so the source engine is finally getting opengl support? |
| 19:54.10 | durcyn | it also looks like they're adding a cloud-based state preservation feature so you can move between systems |
| 19:54.40 | Cide | no, they ported d3d as well |
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| 19:55.00 | Arrowmaster | you cant run d3d on osx |
| 19:55.07 | Cide | trolled |
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| 19:55.09 | Cide | not |
| 19:55.17 | durcyn | they claim to be doing it without emulation, so it'd be OpenGL or a whole lot of nothing |
| 19:55.17 | Arrowmaster | asshat |
| 19:55.18 | Cide | no clue, I'd guess they are supporting opengl |
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| 19:55.40 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 19:55.48 | Arrowmaster | hopefully they add the opengl support to the windows versions so they can run under wine better |
| 19:56.01 | Shadowed | Once Valve releases Steam for Macs, I think the only real issues I had with moving to them are gone |
| 19:56.40 | Arrowmaster | i may have to try and build a hackintosh for fun |
| 19:58.15 | Lopeppeppy | oh hi, alestane. |
| 19:58.20 | Lopeppeppy | hides the evidence |
| 19:58.22 | alestane | ohai. |
| 19:58.29 | Shadowed | run alestane |
| 19:58.29 | Shadowed | run |
| 19:58.43 | alestane | unleashes the secret-sniffing weasels. |
| 20:00.39 | Lopeppeppy | Poor weasels. I have squid. |
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| 20:04.54 | alestane | Sounds like, I better send the weasels out with emergency jetpacks. |
| 20:05.14 | alestane | Then I need to let this discussion go before it gets any sillier than it already has. |
| 20:05.34 | foxlit | Too late, sharks with lasers are already en route. |
| 20:06.19 | Lopeppeppy | Lazers from their eyes!!!!!!! |
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| 20:07.07 | Shirik | lazerrrrrrz |
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| 20:09.21 | Shirik | Kraps... |
| 20:09.27 | Kraps | yo |
| 20:09.29 | Shirik | there's an RFC open on RFC |
| 20:09.35 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/RFC |
| 20:09.36 | Kraps | lawl |
| 20:09.48 | Shirik | it all goes back to that mass deletion BLP thing from a month ago |
| 20:09.58 | Cide | anyone up for some sc2 action? need 2 more if so |
| 20:09.59 | Shirik | this is just getting sad |
| 20:10.01 | Cide | ScytheBlade1? |
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| 20:10.40 | ckknight | Cide: I would if I weren't at work |
| 20:11.08 | Cide | weak |
| 20:11.10 | Kraps | rfc for WP:5P inc :p |
| 20:14.10 | foxlit | what the heck is a BLP? |
| 20:14.25 | alestane | Did you have tests/appointments this morning, Peppy? |
| 20:15.36 | ckknight | foxlit: Blizzard's image format |
| 20:15.38 | Lunessa | thinks a vacation is in order. |
| 20:15.43 | foxlit | ckknight: no. |
| 20:16.15 | Cide | facebook hates me |
| 20:16.15 | cogwheel | Lunessa: come to australia, you might accidentally get killed |
| 20:16.21 | Cide | There was an internal error processing your request. Please try again later, or contact info@facebook.com with any questions. |
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| 20:16.44 | haste | cogwheel: come to norway, you might accidentally get paid |
| 20:16.48 | Lunessa | cogwheel: only if you promise that a dingo will eat my baby. |
| 20:17.16 | cogwheel | haste: norway wants immigrants that badly? |
| 20:17.39 | cogwheel | or just tourists? |
| 20:18.15 | Lunessa | - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/02/science/02bag.html - |
| 20:20.09 | haste | cogwheel: I guess tourists are nice |
| 20:21.08 | alestane | Wow, nap attack. |
| 20:21.29 | NightHawkTheSane | mmmm.. nap |
| 20:21.51 | Lopeppeppy | You know what kills me? Our IT has a completely BLANK index page for their website. A menu, yes... but no freakin' content. Not even a happy staff picture to greet people. What the hell. |
| 20:22.08 | ckknight | btw, if any of you don't know about SC2Mapster, we have an IRC channel at #sc2mapster. For now, it's mostly a place to hang out and talk about SC2 and win against Shirik in 1v1s. So feel free to come join us whether you're a map enthusiast or otherwise. |
| 20:23.29 | haste | but I can't win against Shirik ckknight ! |
| 20:23.45 | ckknight | just keep practicing |
| 20:24.29 | cogwheel | you can also win against me if you want |
| 20:24.35 | ckknight | hehe |
| 20:24.52 | haste | ckknight: if wine in some second reality suddenly started to support SC2, I still wouldn't be able to play against US players afaik! |
| 20:25.13 | ckknight | haste: don't worry, you can play against Fisker. |
| 20:25.19 | haste | D: |
| 20:25.26 | nevcairiel | wine will support it soon enough |
| 20:25.36 | Thunder_Child | thats a good thing haste |
| 20:26.03 | haste | nevcairiel: yes ofc, it's sc2 after all |
| 20:30.26 | amro | nevcairiel: that's not soon enough! |
| 20:37.44 | Dashkal | foxlit: BLP in that context: Biography of Living Person (I had to do some digging, why must people assume acrynoms are obvious?) |
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| 20:46.34 | Lunessa | My acronyms bring all the confusion to my posts. |
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| 20:47.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, ooh-ooh-ooh! |
| 20:47.36 | Lopeppeppy | tl;dr |
| 20:48.33 | Lunessa | Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over. |
| 20:52.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'd like some blue cheese dressing on the side. |
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| 20:56.13 | Pneumatus | whisky tango sounds like an especially hideous drink |
| 20:56.42 | Shadowed | aghhhhhhhh |
| 20:56.48 | Shadowed | I do not like whoever did the armory XML |
| 20:56.49 | Shadowed | at all |
| 20:57.04 | durcyn | Pneumatus: hostile bogeys with scotch on the rocks, obviously |
| 20:57.19 | Pneumatus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tango_%28drink%29 |
| 20:58.24 | DWSR | So a police officer dropped his business card under my door and said "Please call this number" on it, with my name. |
| 20:58.46 | Lopeppeppy | At work, at home... ? |
| 20:59.16 | nicoli_s | DWSR: whatd you do? |
| 20:59.23 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: At home. |
| 20:59.31 | zenzelezz | how do you know it was a police officer? |
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| 20:59.36 | durcyn | DWSR: told you not to bury that dead hooker in your own yard. |
| 20:59.40 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Because it has "Police Services" on it? |
| 20:59.47 | DWSR | durcyn: I live in an apartment building. |
| 20:59.48 | zenzelezz | and people couldn't fake that? |
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| 20:59.58 | DWSR | zenzelezz: I called the number on the card. |
| 21:00.05 | DWSR | And hit 0 to make sure I was getting a receptionist. |
| 21:00.26 | durcyn | if they tell you that you won a contest, it's a trap btw |
| 21:00.28 | DWSR | nicoli_s: I haven't done anything. |
| 21:00.34 | DWSR | durcyn: lol |
| 21:00.53 | Arrowmaster | something probably happened nearby and they just want to know if you saw or heard anything |
| 21:00.58 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure it has to do with something in the building or the neighborhood. Just call and answer the pretty questions. |
| 21:01.01 | DWSR | Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. |
| 21:01.05 | Gnarfoz | "hit 0" to get a receptionist? I'm not familiar with (what appears to be) US telephone systems ;o |
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| 21:01.11 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, I called and he's not there, so I left a message. |
| 21:01.17 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Canadian/US. |
| 21:01.34 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Usually, if you dial a number for a business, you end up at the switchboard. |
| 21:01.37 | Gnarfoz | whichever - do you mean you didn't dial his extension even though it was on the card? |
| 21:01.43 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: in old(er) IVR systems, 0 was the "operator" panic button, though it's been my experience that it's not as common lately |
| 21:01.46 | Lunessa | We're so productive over here, we have to use computers to answer the fucking phone - we can't be assed to do it ourselves. |
| 21:01.56 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: After that, you can usually dial an extension to reach a person directly. |
| 21:02.13 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Extension "0" usually ends up at a receptionist. |
| 21:02.19 | Gnarfoz | hmm, so, a bit of both |
| 21:02.19 | DWSR | (In my experience) |
| 21:02.21 | Pneumatus | mashing buttons on IVRs usually gets you through to someone |
| 21:02.30 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Yes, I dialed without the extension on it. |
| 21:02.42 | Gnarfoz | I see =) |
| 21:02.49 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Because you can't actually dial the extension directly. |
| 21:02.59 | DWSR | You have to wait until you get your call picked up anyway. |
| 21:03.09 | Gnarfoz | oh? that's usually what you'd do here |
| 21:03.17 | durcyn | man, what kind of chump cop doesn't have a DID |
| 21:03.43 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Well, you dial the main line, then you get a computer that picks up the phone. After that you can punch in the extension. |
| 21:03.49 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: There's no direct line, unless the company also has that set up. |
| 21:03.58 | DWSR | durcyn: Meh, obviously not a very important one. |
| 21:04.16 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: it's this shiny thing with a handset on it, you push the buttons or turn the dial. don't worry, one day europe will have phones too. |
| 21:04.23 | Gnarfoz | anyway, just curious because, if all source material you have on foreign telephone systems is what you see in movies (produced mostly in: the US, or Canada, too), and those are from various decades in the past... well, things might not be up to date :D |
| 21:04.40 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: No, I know that Europe is much better with the phone system, trust me. :( |
| 21:04.57 | DWSR | (Having been there numerous times). |
| 21:05.10 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: :P~ |
| 21:05.55 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Anyway, I checked the phone book and it's definitely the number for the police department. |
| 21:06.00 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: may i offer you a http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/8928/ ;) |
| 21:06.28 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: oh, that is awesome. |
| 21:06.48 | Gnarfoz | I like the corded version better, more authentic, but it seems they don't carry that anymore. :( |
| 21:07.16 | Gnarfoz | (http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/7830/ - out of stock) |
| 21:08.09 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Yeah, I'm not seriously worried. |
| 21:08.23 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: I figure if they wanted to arrest me/detain me for something serious, they would be waiting at my apartment. |
| 21:09.00 | DWSR | (i.e. an actual crime). |
| 21:09.09 | DWSR | The officer who dropped it off is a Court Liason. |
| 21:09.12 | Gnarfoz | :F I need to set up traffic shaping, maxing out my dsl line keeps killing the connection |
| 21:09.13 | DWSR | So *shrug*. |
| 21:09.21 | DWSR | AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DSL |
| 21:09.52 | Gnarfoz | hm? |
| 21:10.35 | Gnarfoz | you should probably not apply US/Canadian prejudice about the different kinds of broadband connections to non-US/Canadian connections :D |
| 21:14.28 | DWSR | YEah, just got a subpeona(sp?) for court. |
| 21:14.28 | batbot | DWSR, subpoena. |
| 21:15.15 | Dashkal | Ok good, the mac port of valve games is official. Now how long until the opengl ports can be exploited to improve tf2 under wine? |
| 21:15.56 | Lopeppeppy | That would be what the court liason officer wanted, to give you your subpoena! |
| 21:16.04 | Lunessa | DWSR: You are ordered to appear. You've been served. |
| 21:16.05 | DWSR | yep |
| 21:16.16 | Lopeppeppy | For yourself, or for another case? |
| 21:16.42 | DWSR | A trespassing case that happened last year. |
| 21:16.57 | DWSR | I live in a university-owned apartment. |
| 21:17.13 | DWSR | And the guys across the hall had an incident last year. |
| 21:17.29 | DWSR | So I'm getting served. |
| 21:17.42 | DWSR | Because they want me to testify, because the guys are known criminals. |
| 21:18.02 | Lopeppeppy | Fun times. Not |
| 21:18.04 | DWSR | Not the guys living across the hall, but the people who came in uninvited. |
| 21:18.13 | DWSR | Meh, I just hope it's on Friday at about 10am. |
| 21:18.29 | DWSR | Subpoena's a good excuse to miss a midterm. |
| 21:18.58 | Gnarfoz | priorities in correct order: [x] |
| 21:19.15 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Also, it has nothing to do with North American prejudice for the connection. It has to do with LOL DSL |
| 21:19.27 | Gnarfoz | meaning what? :p |
| 21:19.31 | Lopeppeppy | Should count like jury duty, but make sure to talk to profs. first... they are not likely to believe you without documentation |
| 21:19.50 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: don't listens to the americans, they don't know whats going on in europe anyway =) |
| 21:19.51 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, I don't have the actual subpoena in my hand yet. |
| 21:19.54 | DWSR | He dropped it off. |
| 21:19.57 | DWSR | err. |
| 21:19.59 | DWSR | He was going to* |
| 21:20.05 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: indeed ;p |
| 21:20.08 | DWSR | But he left it with campus security since I wasn't in. |
| 21:20.26 | Lopeppeppy | ... I do not think that counts as having served you. Idiot. |
| 21:20.40 | Lopeppeppy | "Oh, hi, you're not This Guy, but can you just hang onto this in case you ever see him?" |
| 21:20.41 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: No, he'll serve me tomorrow. |
| 21:21.03 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Well, he needs to check with Campus Security about where the hell everyone's moved to. |
| 21:21.09 | DWSR | The people across the hall moved out last year. |
| 21:21.16 | Lopeppeppy | He's a silly bugger for leaving his documents with them. |
| 21:21.34 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: *shrug*. I'm not a police officer, I don't know. |
| 21:21.41 | nicoli_s | DWSR: plead the fif |
| 21:21.47 | DWSR | nicoli_s: FOR WHAT? |
| 21:21.53 | DWSR | I didn't do anything! |
| 21:21.55 | foxlit | plead the fourth! |
| 21:22.04 | DWSR | What the hell am I supposed to incriminate myself with? |
| 21:22.06 | Lopeppeppy | Plead onion rings. |
| 21:22.06 | nicoli_s | DWSR: cuz,no snitchin |
| 21:22.25 | DWSR | Can I plead spousal abuse (I'm single)? |
| 21:22.36 | DWSR | nicoli_s: The guys who trespassed were all criminals. |
| 21:22.51 | DWSR | nicoli_s: They're going to jail anyway, I didn't see much of what happened. |
| 21:23.07 | DWSR | They were actually arrested the nigh this all happened. |
| 21:23.16 | DWSR | s/nigh/night/ |
| 21:23.19 | nicoli_s | then demand a bribe or something |
| 21:23.36 | DWSR | *That* will go over well. |
| 21:23.49 | nicoli_s | all bribe requests do :) |
| 21:23.50 | DWSR | Only problem with this is that I have no fucking clothes to wear >.< |
| 21:24.01 | Shirik | so don't wear any |
| 21:24.13 | DWSR | (I'm assuming that this is something you're supposed to get reasonably dressed up for?) |
| 21:24.13 | nicoli_s | go in plastic flip flops and scuba gear |
| 21:24.37 | Lopeppeppy | Find out from the guy when he drops off the summons. |
| 21:25.46 | Lunessa | DWSR: Dress professionally. A suit is not required, but respectable appearance is. |
| 21:25.59 | Lopeppeppy | Usually one should dress to impress, if one wishes to be a credible witness. But he'll have a better idea what the courtroom in your area is like, or tell you who to contact for more info. If you get no info, dress like you're going on a nice date -- khakis/dress pants, button down shirt, tie. Jacket if you got 'em. |
| 21:26.57 | Shirik | How to know your regex is way too damn complicated: |
| 21:27.00 | Shirik | at character 1201: "preg_match() [<a href='function.preg-match'>function.preg-match</a>]: Compilation failed: unmatched parentheses at offset 1151" |
| 21:27.08 | nicoli_s | ouch |
| 21:27.55 | Kraps | anyone here currently play Champions Online? |
| 21:28.07 | foxlit | less regex, more moving to EU so you can be on our battle.net shard, Shirik. |
| 21:28.28 | Shirik | how about you move to US instead |
| 21:28.35 | NeoTron | http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/03/08/1524235/Disposable-Toilet-To-Change-the-World?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 |
| 21:28.41 | foxlit | Why would anyone want to move to US? |
| 21:28.46 | NeoTron | finally a replacement for the common poop sock? |
| 21:28.56 | Lopeppeppy | To visit Shamoo |
| 21:29.02 | NeoTron | Kraps: I did for about a month, before my first monthly bill |
| 21:29.08 | NeoTron | Kraps: why? :P |
| 21:29.40 | Kraps | NeoTron: so did i, i want to know if its easier to solo now |
| 21:29.57 | Kraps | boss fights |
| 21:30.06 | Gnarfoz | I wish IRC clients (or browsers, or... clipboards!) had link sanitization built-in |
| 21:30.13 | NeoTron | it couldn't have been much easier to solo than it was... |
| 21:30.26 | NeoTron | are you talking about the unity lairs or something? |
| 21:30.32 | Kraps | yes |
| 21:30.42 | Gnarfoz | all non-rewritten parameters of that link are useless :C |
| 21:30.48 | Kraps | you cant progress w/o beating them |
| 21:30.48 | NeoTron | if they are soloable, it's pretty much even more fail than before :P |
| 21:30.57 | NeoTron | it's like the only group content they had almost |
| 21:31.03 | Lopeppeppy | Off for home and the fun of housework, yippee ki yi yo, keep trying Magellan! |
| 21:31.21 | Lunessa | NeoTron: already posted it 2 hours ago. :P |
| 21:31.34 | Gnarfoz | sigh, latest traffic shaping tutorials are ~8 years old. great. ;( |
| 21:31.59 | Kraps | NeoTron: fair enough, but you can hit cap solo in wow :s |
| 21:32.04 | NeoTron | Lunessa: ah well |
| 21:32.21 | NeoTron | Kraps: sure but you can't run instances solo for the most part |
| 21:32.43 | Kraps | instances are optinal in wow |
| 21:32.57 | Kraps | CO requires them to progress |
| 21:33.38 | Kraps | it just needs a LFD |
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| 21:37.29 | Lunessa | http://www.fastcompany.com/1575213/cellphone-tech-uses-accelerometer-to-spy-on-employees |
| 21:38.31 | Kraps | "One time I crit both Summon Gargoyle and Sudden Doom. My doorbell rang and it was Sarah Palin." |
| 21:41.18 | DWSR | Kraps: icwutudidthar. |
| 21:41.43 | Kraps | wasnt me! |
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| 21:45.23 | Kraps | posts like this make me sad. it mean another potentially good, hard-working wower has lost his account http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425471404&sid=1 |
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| 21:49.08 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:49.18 | cogwheel | ding 76 from discovery xp while dressed up as a scourge being carried around ZD by a gargoyle |
| 21:49.21 | DWSR | ZeldaLoot makes me feel like I'm playing Zelda every time I win something in a heroic! |
| 21:49.30 | DWSR | cogwheel: lol, isn't that the best, though? |
| 21:49.46 | cogwheel | idd |
| 21:52.50 | Kraps | http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love.ars |
| 21:53.10 | Fisker | o |
| 21:53.10 | Fisker | l |
| 21:53.10 | Fisker | d |
| 21:53.27 | Fisker | nonononononononono cogwheel |
| 21:53.33 | Fisker | you gotta do the quest with yourself in it |
| 21:59.57 | NeoTron | I wouldn't adblock if the adds weren't so fricking annoying |
| 22:00.15 | NeoTron | a little banner add doesn't matter but blinking, animated shit, flash especially is annoying and destroys performance |
| 22:02.31 | alestane | Sticky eyeballs! |
| 22:02.32 | cogwheel | chrome has the worst performance hit from flash of all the major browsers |
| 22:02.37 | cogwheel | http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-chrome-opera,2558-9.html |
| 22:03.04 | ckknight | down with Flash |
| 22:03.20 | Adys | Cide: Do I have ocd? |
| 22:03.29 | Adys | adys@azura:~/wow/Cache/WDB/enGB$ wdbc baddons.wcf |
| 22:03.29 | Adys | INFO: Using <Structure Baddons> build 0... 53 rows total |
| 22:03.40 | Shadowed | the performance difference isn't that much thought |
| 22:03.44 | Shadowed | (for flash) |
| 22:04.01 | Kalroth | Kraps: that article is so dumb anyways |
| 22:04.15 | Kraps | why? |
| 22:04.51 | Adys | because Kalroth is butthurt because chrome is awesome |
| 22:05.08 | Kalroth | in second paragraph: "Imagine running a restaurant where 40% of the people who came and ate didn't pay. In a way, that's what ad blocking is doing to us." |
| 22:05.17 | Kalroth | and then further down "Comparing a website to TiVo is comparing apples to asparagus." |
| 22:05.21 | Adys | oh, that article. |
| 22:05.35 | Adys | compares Kalroth to Spartacus |
| 22:05.43 | Kalroth | yeah a restaurant is a better comparison than a TiVo! |
| 22:06.54 | DWSR | I don't mind text-only ads. |
| 22:07.03 | DWSR | AdSense is fine with me. |
| 22:07.17 | Kalroth | http://static.arstechnica.com/05936218856bfda2a2b187b00e5cc496.png <- they forgot to mention adblock here |
| 22:07.31 | DWSR | BIG FUCKING FLASHING BANNERS WITH STUPID SOUND AND FLASH GAMES AND MOVIES AND REALLY OBNOXIOUS SHIT WHICH I HAVEN'T LISTED HERE IS REALLY ANNOYING AND I BLOCK IT <- Just like this,.\ |
| 22:09.10 | Kalroth | I got AdBlock enabled for ars technica for the same reason I got NoScript enabled for ars technica - its on by default because I don't trust the internet and Adobe. |
| 22:09.38 | DWSR | ^ bingo. |
| 22:10.21 | NeoTron | I know it's not easy out there in the wild of the Internet, but ads is a way to supplement income, not generate it fully |
| 22:10.49 | Kalroth | a lot of sites are 100% ad income based |
| 22:10.58 | Adys | I know a multibillions worth megacorp that would disagree with you, NeoTron |
| 22:12.07 | Kalroth | man, some random dude friended me on Steam and now I want to know who it is |
| 22:12.33 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/435175750 |
| 22:12.46 | DWSR | It was me Kalroth |
| 22:13.03 | Kalroth | I doubt it |
| 22:13.11 | Kalroth | it could have been Adys |
| 22:13.22 | Adys | it was indeed |
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| 22:13.46 | Kalroth | aww |
| 22:13.51 | Kalroth | he only got 1 friend |
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| 22:18.23 | NeoTron | Kalroth: Indeed. a problem in the design. |
| 22:21.48 | cogwheel | is it just me or is 3.3 the "stuck-in-combat" patch? |
| 22:22.23 | Kraps | cogwheel: havent gotten that in a while |
| 22:22.42 | DWSR | I've had it happen, but it's usually because a mob somewhere is stuck, but still aggro'ed. |
| 22:22.58 | DWSR | so, unless you're talking about 3.3.3 having a regression, no. |
| 22:23.00 | DWSR | it's just you |
| 22:23.14 | cogwheel | DWSR: if you include "in a different phase" or "has fallen through the world because of a bug when I frost nova'ed it" then yeah... |
| 22:23.39 | cogwheel | s/then yeah/in your definition of "mob somewhere" then yeah/ |
| 22:24.00 | DWSR | cogwheel: Which is different than actually just being stuck in combat for no reason. |
| 22:24.05 | DWSR | Which used to happen all the time. |
| 22:26.10 | DWSR | Though, in my experience, phasing is poorly implemented. |
| 22:26.21 | DWSR | It's a good idea in theory, but in practice is poses way too many problems. |
| 22:26.30 | DWSR | it* |
| 22:28.58 | DWSR | My biggest wish for cata: Fixing fucking model clipping |
| 22:29.00 | DWSR | ON EVERYTHING |
| 22:31.35 | Lunessa | Meh, I don't find that to be much of an issue. I'd rather have reward paths that don't feel like punishment for repeat play and don't feel like a grind. |
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| 22:34.33 | Sajaki | is cata on PTR yet? |
| 22:34.38 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 22:34.40 | alestane | *snrk* |
| 22:34.42 | Cide | it's called beta |
| 22:35.46 | Gnarfoz | <Adys> adys@azura:~/wow/Cache/WDB/enGB$ wdbc baddons.wcf <-- so what's in there? |
| 22:36.06 | Adys | same thing as BannedAddons.dbc more or less |
| 22:36.07 | Adys | just hashes |
| 22:36.38 | Lunessa | L-O-FRIKKIN-L - http://consumerist.com/2010/03/advice-do-not-save-your-privates-while-driving.html |
| 22:37.36 | alestane | "Who knew we had to tell people not to do this?" |
| 22:38.19 | DWSR | She wanted to be ready for the visit. |
| 22:38.40 | alestane | And her ex-husband was steering from the passenger seat, even better. |
| 22:38.59 | Gnarfoz | the combination of it all is quite amazing |
| 22:39.11 | DWSR | I know, right? |
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| 22:40.09 | DWSR | To all the women in here, how could you even do that |
| 22:40.34 | DWSR | Like, isnt' that area sensitive? |
| 22:40.54 | alestane | Shave, or shave in the car specfically? |
| 22:40.59 | DWSR | Shave in the car. |
| 22:41.11 | DWSR | Shave is easy, but like, wouldn't shaving in the car be all vibraty? |
| 22:41.50 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe if you have -really- good shocks? |
| 22:42.16 | alestane | Or you're obviously not prone to thinking about consequences. |
| 22:42.32 | NightHawkTheSane | thats more likely |
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| 22:47.32 | DWSR | well, wouldn't you get a huge razor burn, possibly cut yourself, and like... |
| 22:47.42 | DWSR | You know, the labia major are sensitive, right? |
| 22:47.50 | DWSR | labia majora*, I think. |
| 22:50.43 | Lunessa | Well, drilling down it turns out the car in question was a Ford Mustang, so "good shocks" was right out. I think "inability to envision consequences of actions" is the right answer. |
| 22:55.23 | DWSR | <3 Lunessa. |
| 22:55.25 | DWSR | ~Lunessa++ |
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| 22:57.34 | Lunessa | How have I earned your positive recommendation today? |
| 22:57.48 | Gnarfoz | also, if you're trying to impress by correctly pluralising in latin, try also to realize that there is no "j" in latin :) |
| 22:58.52 | DWSR | What's the right way to deal with harrassment? GM ticket? |
| 22:59.01 | Lunessa | Yes. |
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| 23:04.45 | Fisker | wat Lunessa |
| 23:04.46 | Fisker | WAT. |
| 23:10.58 | DWSR | I've been served |
| 23:11.40 | Kraps | DWSR: what happened? |
| 23:13.06 | DWSR | Subpoena for a witness. |
| 23:14.00 | Kraps | for what? |
| 23:14.18 | DWSR | Something I witnessed, obviously. |
| 23:14.50 | Kraps | yeah |
| 23:16.43 | DWSR | Lunessa: <Lunessa>Well, drilling down.... <-- Win |
| 23:18.31 | Lunessa | *snicker* |
| 23:18.59 | Lunessa | The opportunity to make such comments/jokes is why I love English so much. |
| 23:19.09 | kd3 | oh fuck |
| 23:19.20 | kd3 | that went to the wrong group |
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| 23:23.21 | alestane | So, now that I've turned 41 the game decided I could tank Mara purple. |
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| 23:25.24 | alestane | I sort of question this assertion, although I'll admit the LFD tool makes dungeons considerably more EZ mode. |
| 23:25.25 | A-KO | http://www.learnnavi.org/ < rofl |
| 23:26.00 | alestane | A-KO: It was inevitable. |
| 23:26.21 | Kraps | alestane: you should usually wait for 1 or 2 levels from the highest they say |
| 23:26.37 | alestane | It picked it itself, not my choice. |
| 23:26.52 | alestane | I signed up for a random dungeon, and it said, "Oh hey, you're tanking Mara." |
| 23:27.41 | alestane | It's just made it into the yellow bracket for me now. |
| 23:29.08 | alestane | Wasn't a *bad* run, would have been a better one without the rogue. |
| 23:29.34 | ZorbaTHut | I always try to get into dungeons as DPS the instant it says I'm allowed to |
| 23:29.54 | ZorbaTHut | better xp, better gear, and I'm still not going to be the lowest DPS class |
| 23:33.44 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Wow. |
| 23:33.52 | DWSR | slower 1hers is a huge difference. |
| 23:33.57 | ZorbaTHut | Toldja. :) |
| 23:34.00 | DWSR | like 30% more DPS difference. |
| 23:34.31 | ZorbaTHut | WoW tends to be rather strict with what the proper gear is. |
| 23:34.57 | alestane | DK DPS is heavily focused on yellow damage IIRC, and the way instant weapon attacks are normalized for weapon speed means that for them slower weapons will dominate. |
| 23:35.11 | DWSR | lol, I'll link you my armory in a sce. |
| 23:35.12 | ZorbaTHut | are there any classes besides rogues that focus on white damage? |
| 23:35.23 | alestane | Hunter, some, I think. |
| 23:35.31 | alestane | Haven't played mine much though. |
| 23:35.35 | DWSR | mm |
| 23:35.54 | alestane | Warrior, because that's where there rage comes from. |
| 23:36.02 | alestane | their* |
| 23:36.27 | Duman | hmm |
| 23:36.29 | DWSR | you mean warriors do something other than tank?? |
| 23:36.30 | DWSR | I didn'\t know that. |
| 23:36.35 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but most warrior damage still comes from yellow |
| 23:40.42 | kd3 | so... steam on macs and using opengl now |
| 23:40.50 | kd3 | ponders |
| 23:41.03 | DWSR | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Arelin |
| 23:41.10 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut ^^ |
| 23:41.17 | DWSR | I can push almost 3k with that set. |
| 23:41.24 | DWSR | People are obviously fucking fail. |
| 23:43.42 | ZorbaTHut | yeah that's pretty much true |
| 23:44.07 | ZorbaTHut | though note that death knights tanks are somewhat unique in scaling damage well with gear, and not being penalized by being overgeared for instances |
| 23:45.30 | Adys | *The removal of a hack for Dalaran in the WorldMapFrame |
| 23:45.31 | Adys | kd3: finally |
| 23:45.42 | Adys | piece of shit kept ruining coords |
| 23:48.12 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: My point is that a) I double as a 4th DPS and that b) I've been 80 for like 4 days, and I'm already tearing up the new ICC heroics. lolreally? |
| 23:48.15 | DWSR | This game is *hard* |
| 23:50.30 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Do arms warriors like haste? |
| 23:51.01 | ZorbaTHut | haste is crappy for warriors in general |
| 23:51.04 | Lunessa | Re: Classes that like White Damage; Enhancement Shaman. The bulk of or DPS is still white hits. |
| 23:51.16 | ZorbaTHut | note that well-geared warriors have effectively unlimited rage |
| 23:51.57 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, also, keep in mind that you're doing this with really good badge gear |
| 23:52.18 | ZorbaTHut | the situation's different when the best stuff you can get is 213, and you have to find a raiding guild to get it |
| 23:52.29 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I've just been chain running heroics.... |
| 23:52.42 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, and heroics used to give much crappier emblems |
| 23:52.46 | DWSR | Oh, yeah yeah. |
| 23:52.59 | DWSR | I mean, I'm holding aggro for warriors and warlocks who are pushing like 5k DPS. |
| 23:53.10 | ZorbaTHut | oh, yeah, that was never particularly hard. |
| 23:53.15 | DWSR | And I've met tanks who outgear me probably twice over and they can't do it. |
| 23:53.34 | DWSR | And every healer I've met goes "Damn, you're pretty easy to heal" |
| 23:54.31 | DWSR | Does DW give you a boost to parry or something? |
| 23:54.44 | DWSR | Because I've had absolutely massive (i.e. 20-30) strings of parries. |
| 23:54.58 | ZorbaTHut | nope, you've just been lucky. :) |
| 23:55.09 | ZorbaTHut | alternatively you haven't been noticing the non-parry |
| 23:55.16 | DWSR | fiar. |
| 23:55.18 | DWSR | fair* |
| 23:57.28 | Lunessa | So last night, I'm tanking (on my druid) in Hall of Stone. Warlock is doing this "TAB - Seed - Tab - Seed" on mobs I haven't hit yet and catching patrols in the AoE. I don't make a fuss about it, I just let him take his own aggro a couple of times. He promptly says "The tank sucks, I'm just wanding for the rest of this instance." I was greatly amused. |
| 23:58.11 | DWSR | Lunessa: You do suck. =\ |
| 23:58.25 | DWSR | How can you not hold aggro on that? |
| 23:58.26 | DWSR | I mean, come on. |
| 23:58.46 | ZorbaTHut | on, what, mobs you haven't yet attacked? |
| 23:58.56 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: SARCASM MOFO, DO YOU SPEAK IT? |
| 23:58.58 | DWSR | :P |
| 23:59.03 | ZorbaTHut | oh bah :P |
| 23:59.11 | DWSR | Sorry, couldn't resist. |
| 23:59.58 | Lunessa | I'm over here trying not to laugh into the phone call I'm on |
