| 00:00.16 | Cide | forked |
| 00:00.17 | foxlit | Probably a more-than-average amount of +5 Funny comments. |
| 00:00.30 | WobWork | "In the Bahamas" |
| 00:00.43 | Adys | "Raped by a horde of 4channers" |
| 00:00.57 | kd3 | frozen in carbonite tied with immolated |
| 00:00.59 | kd3 | huh |
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| 00:33.32 | kd3 | in other news, yay the bakemonogatari soundtrack has been released, finally |
| 00:35.14 | haste | I need to pick up that serie soon |
| 00:35.41 | kd3 | best well-written anime I've seen in years |
| 00:35.51 | kd3 | s/best/most/ |
| 00:36.06 | Adys | s/most well-/best-/ |
| 00:36.19 | kd3 | grr |
| 00:36.22 | Adys | snickers |
| 00:36.24 | kd3 | time for more caffeine |
| 00:37.13 | haste | kd3: is it on par with mushishi? :3 |
| 00:37.31 | kd3 | thinks... |
| 00:37.31 | Shirik | :3 |
| 00:37.40 | haste | >: |
| 00:38.55 | kd3 | it's up there. I dunno which I'd rate higher |
| 00:39.03 | Shirik | >:3 |
| 00:44.45 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ahEygBSd4 >:3 |
| 00:45.11 | Arrowmaster | kd3: writing may be good but the animation is fucking terrible at times |
| 00:45.34 | kd3 | the blu-ray's better |
| 00:45.43 | kd3 | shaft being shaft and not getting shit done on time |
| 00:45.46 | kd3 | sighs |
| 00:46.50 | Cide | I heard you like shafts so I put a shaft on your shaft so you can get shafted while you get shafted |
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| 00:56.10 | Thunder_Child | has a sadwich |
| 00:56.51 | Lunessa | Cide: That hurt just to read. |
| 00:57.09 | Cide | bows. |
| 00:57.15 | Cide | you know what also hurts to read? java. |
| 00:57.25 | Lunessa | java hurts. period. |
| 00:57.46 | Lunessa | And on that note, I'm out. Ciao. |
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| 01:01.36 | Arrowmaster | missile command lags like hell |
| 01:01.58 | Arrowmaster | plus its got this stupid login crap |
| 01:04.17 | Dagmar | Those command and control circuits are ancient. Expect high latency |
| 01:04.33 | Arrowmaster | no i blame flash |
| 01:06.28 | tem | I actually just watched mushishi last weekend |
| 01:06.53 | tem | I'm a little disappointed that the story didn't tie together much (read: at all) |
| 01:07.02 | tem | but I still thouroghly enjoyed it |
| 01:08.58 | haste | it's a very episodic anime so :P |
| 01:12.01 | tem | shrug |
| 01:12.18 | tem | it was still awesome |
| 01:12.30 | tem | I was just wishing for a bit more continuity |
| 01:12.42 | Arrowmaster | i havent watched that but im guessing i probably should since a lot of people recommend it |
| 01:13.09 | tem | in similar news, I can finally stream mkvs to my 360 without losing the subs |
| 01:13.11 | tem | cheers |
| 01:13.46 | Arrowmaster | plus i think its near the top of the list when i have anidb look at what ive rated other shows and make recommendations |
| 01:14.10 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: what do you use to read MPQs on linux? |
| 01:14.32 | Thunder_Child | a vm |
| 01:14.40 | kd3 | ladik's mpq editor |
| 01:14.51 | Thunder_Child | that was not as amusing as mine |
| 01:14.58 | ScytheBlade1 | wine? |
| 01:14.58 | Thunder_Child | for shame kd3 |
| 01:15.12 | Arrowmaster | the last thing that was always first on my recommendation list that i kept putting off because the description didnt sound interesting turned out to be something i shouldnt have put off |
| 01:15.39 | kd3 | yar; and a quick shellscript so I can just go "mpqedit foo.mpq" |
| 01:16.07 | ScytheBlade1 | wine: for some mysterious reason, the wine server never started. |
| 01:16.10 | ScytheBlade1 | sweet. |
| 01:16.18 | kd3 | your wineprefix is shot? |
| 01:16.38 | ScytheBlade1 | possibly |
| 01:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | to windows! |
| 01:16.57 | kd3 | or just create a new one... WINEPREFIX=~/.wine/mpq wine <foo> |
| 01:17.15 | kd3 | 's lost count of the number of different prefixes he's running |
| 01:17.34 | Arrowmaster | do you use something to manage them? |
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| 01:18.29 | ScytheBlade1 | and, unrelated, quake3 on android is neat |
| 01:18.46 | kd3 | just using shellscripts to launch whatever. anything in steam's on the steam prefix, wow/the ptr is on its own, etc |
| 01:18.59 | truedego | has anyone ever put an addon onto curse forge? |
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| 01:19.25 | haste | no, no-one uses aceforge you silly! |
| 01:20.30 | Thunder_Child | dont mind haste, he is just trying to impress Fisker |
| 01:20.45 | kd3 | wow: http://wowi.pastey.net/133490 steam: http://wowi.pastey.net/133491 |
| 01:20.46 | kd3 | and so on |
| 01:21.19 | haste | you should totally activate the new beta ui kd3! |
| 01:21.26 | kd3 | er, no |
| 01:21.31 | kd3 | it crashes and burns spectacularly |
| 01:21.34 | kd3 | tried already |
| 01:21.39 | Arrowmaster | i got it working |
| 01:21.39 | haste | has also tried. |
| 01:21.56 | Arrowmaster | i just had to set steam.exe to windows 2008 |
| 01:22.20 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, sweet now get to working out how to run fallout3 under wine. |
| 01:22.33 | Arrowmaster | dont have fallout3 |
| 01:22.39 | airtonix | its in the mail |
| 01:22.49 | haste | lol wut |
| 01:22.49 | Arrowmaster | cool |
| 01:22.53 | Arrowmaster | goty edition? |
| 01:23.00 | airtonix | yes the gay edition |
| 01:23.36 | Amarande | I'm still wondering what this "completely different" idea Microsoft has for Windows 8 is :| |
| 01:23.40 | Amarande | hopes it epic fails |
| 01:23.44 | airtonix | a red start button |
| 01:23.56 | kd3 | the end of dos-mode back-compat? |
| 01:23.59 | truedego | do i upload each file indivudually on curse forge? |
| 01:24.18 | theorbtwo | Database filesystem, the same completely different idea they've had for the last three windowses? |
| 01:24.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Anywho, in true kd3 fashion |
| 01:24.32 | ScytheBlade1 | tada: http://files.aboveaverageurl.com/SC2/SC2-13891-to-14093.diff |
| 01:24.41 | Amarande | I've heard they want to move the business version at least to cloud computing |
| 01:24.45 | Amarande | cloud computing scares me. :| |
| 01:25.11 | ScytheBlade1 | hm, that is notably less useful than I would have hoped |
| 01:25.13 | Amarande | mainly, the idea that in a decade or two we may find it difficult to find a real computer anywhere and instead be forced to run thin clients to stuff provided by the ISP is scary. |
| 01:25.24 | Arrowmaster | cloud computing should scare everybody since its nothing but a fucking buzz word with practically zero meaning |
| 01:25.45 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: isn't the idea to take real computers off the desktop and replace them with thin clients to a controlled, closed server? |
| 01:26.00 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 01:26.07 | NightHawkTheSane | not at all... |
| 01:26.11 | Arrowmaster | like i said its a buzz word with no real meaning |
| 01:26.24 | Arrowmaster | you can twist it into anything you want |
| 01:30.03 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHpZ5tM7sN8 |
| 01:34.45 | batrick | Shirik: why would i do that?! |
| 01:35.29 | truedego | lol Cloud Computing is a cycling trend that dosnt mean anything. In the computer world, weve cycled from cloud computing to desktop comupting 3 times, and this is just the new refresh. |
| 01:39.26 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6zEEuVO0dU <--- ROFL |
| 01:43.36 | Dagmar | That is, er, factually challenged. |
| 01:44.58 | Dagmar | Just becuse you once saw a dumb terminal in a lab doesn't mean they were doing f**king cloud computing. |
| 01:46.44 | Amarande | probably makes some people ooh and aah at you in the cloud phases to have a real computer, too |
| 01:46.54 | Amarande | "OMG, you have a COMPUTER? We just do everything on Google now ..." |
| 01:47.10 | Dagmar | Not likely. Those are not spaces which overlap. |
| 01:48.48 | Dagmar | If you need a Sun E25k you know you need a Sun E25k and whether or not you can even consider a cloud solution is probably more a matter for the accountants and security folk to sign off on |
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| 01:49.39 | Dagmar | ...although there's a lot to be said for leveraging the fault tolerance or some people who spend all day worrying about just that, or at least being able to blame someone else if it fails |
| 01:50.05 | cbreak | do not rely on clouds. They have a habit of evaporating. |
| 01:50.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: there *are* those who think that the future of consumer computing is a semi-cloud structure where most people only own fairly minimal machines that pretty much only run a browser and do applications by using Google apps or such |
| 01:50.16 | Amarande | and that real computers will be in the hands of businesses and geeks |
| 01:50.23 | Dagmar | I'm thinking the cause and effect might be backwards there |
| 01:50.32 | Dagmar | Machines didn't use to be able to be clustered like this |
| 01:51.05 | cbreak | multi-server clusters are hardly new |
| 01:51.06 | Dagmar | I think it's more of a matter of machines in a colo facility can now be consolidated and comingled to the point where they completely dwarf what you could put on a desktop. |
| 01:51.40 | Dagmar | cbreak: There is a great deal of difference between four VAX machines clustered, and 5,000+ nodes scattered across a half-dozen datacenters. |
| 01:52.14 | cbreak | The idea's similar. Just a different implementation |
| 01:52.20 | Dagmar | An outhouse and a courthouse share half a name, each have four walls and a roof, and are generally full of shit, but they are CLEARLY not the same thing. |
| 01:52.34 | Dagmar | (made that up on the spot I did) |
| 01:52.37 | Dagmar | :) |
| 01:52.54 | Amarande | for the most part though, you use clusters to serve the same programs and data to more people rather than do more complex programs though |
| 01:52.57 | cbreak | at the place I worked last year, they wanted to use small thin-clients for accessing a VMWare server housed desktop |
| 01:53.03 | Amarande | although, what would you *do* with a supercluster, in terms of single-app stuff |
| 01:53.04 | Amarande | chess? |
| 01:53.04 | Amarande | heh |
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| 01:53.21 | Dagmar | Amarande: The point of cloud being that you don't have to devote the entire thing to one single task |
| 01:53.23 | cbreak | those thin clients had more hardware power than full blown desktops from a few years ago |
| 01:53.29 | Amarande | it only takes 8 CPUs to beat the strongest human at chess, anyway |
| 01:53.35 | Dagmar | It can be sliced up so that there are many virtualized machines inside it. |
| 01:53.53 | Dagmar | That's the big "new thing" involved. |
| 01:54.21 | Dagmar | Each of those virtualized machines may or may not be in any given actual machine at any given time. |
| 01:54.24 | cbreak | the interesting thing is: The thin clients ran windows |
| 01:54.29 | Dagmar | They may also span multiple actual machines |
| 01:54.30 | Amarande | otoh, I do like the idea of possibly setting up thin clients in other rooms of the house, so people can use the computer from different parts of the house without me needing to maintain a whole load of *real* computers |
| 01:54.35 | cbreak | with a Remote desktop client |
| 01:54.43 | Arrowmaster | cloud computing has been used so much as a buzz word though without a clear definition that it cant really be defined imho |
| 01:54.47 | Dagmar | Amarande: Been using X for that for awhile. It's handy |
| 01:54.48 | cbreak | to a VMWare emulated windows running on a server cluster |
| 01:55.00 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I blame reporters fo rthat |
| 01:55.06 | Arrowmaster | its not just reporters |
| 01:55.16 | Arrowmaster | marketing departments......... |
| 01:55.20 | Dagmar | They are generally struggling to cope with the fact that the "CPU" isn't actually the beige box on their desk like they were taught in Computing 101 |
| 01:55.37 | Amarande | Dagmar: non-technicals don't even think of the box as the "CPU" |
| 01:55.38 | Torhal | I think we should start spreading "fog computing" around, to really fuck shit up. |
| 01:55.42 | Amarande | they keep calling it the "hard drive" :| |
| 01:55.49 | Dagmar | Well, I thought we weren't supposed to blame marketing departments for having to wear the yellow padded helmets |
| 01:55.54 | cbreak | yes... "Hard Disk" :/ |
| 01:55.54 | Dagmar | They're just "differently abled" |
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| 01:56.13 | cbreak | I've met a few who called their screen "Computer" |
| 01:56.30 | Dagmar | Amarande: Sadly calling hte ATX case the "CPU" is still _current_ 101 curriculim |
| 01:56.39 | Cairenn | "Hello Computer" |
| 01:56.56 | Cairenn | "Oh, a keyboard. How quaint." |
| 01:57.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: it's also apparently IBM POS networking parlance to call the main store server the ISP, too :| |
| 01:57.49 | cbreak | that's probably why it's called PoS |
| 01:58.03 | Amarande | cbreak: I make that joke frequently with other people in the Scanning department |
| 02:01.06 | Dagmar | Intranet Sales Provider. ;) |
| 02:03.17 | Amarande | well Cairenn, your girls got gold :) |
| 02:03.27 | Cairenn | Amarande: aye :) |
| 02:04.06 | Amarande | btw, who won the Sweden-China women's curling game last night? |
| 02:04.31 | Amarande | I didn't manage to stay up till fuck o'clock to see it :S |
| 02:04.47 | Cairenn | not sure |
| 02:06.18 | Amarande | Aww http://dailysquee.com/page/2/?utm_source=network&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=directory |
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| 02:16.51 | Thunder_Child | this would get more watchers http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35524563/ |
| 02:27.45 | airtonix | muwahaha snot goober the size of my thumb fell out of my nose... just thought i would share that with you cause im a caring kind of guy |
| 02:35.57 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it just fell out |
| 02:43.45 | Legorol | what's the current cap on honor points? is it 70k? |
| 02:46.07 | tem | 75k I thought |
| 02:46.55 | Legorol | ok thanks |
| 02:47.11 | Legorol | I'd been looking at the upcoming changes to pvp rewards, especially with regards to the 5 faction specific pvp mounts |
| 02:47.27 | Legorol | they currently cost 30 AV, 30 WSG, 30 AB marks each |
| 02:47.46 | Legorol | after 3.3.3, they will cost some amount of honor points instead. currently on the PTR they are 50k honor each, but that can change of course |
| 02:48.08 | Legorol | so i was trying to calculate whether i'm better off spending my marks pre-patch, or saving them for 3.3.3, where you can convert them to honor points |
| 02:48.31 | DWSR | Legorol: Spend them now. |
| 02:48.37 | DWSR | 30 AV, 30 WSG, 30 AB = 0 honor. |
| 02:48.42 | Legorol | the worst case scenario is that the mounts will cost an amount of honor points equal to the cap |
| 02:48.44 | DWSR | You need 30 IoC, 30 EotS marks as well. |
| 02:48.49 | Legorol | DWSR: no you don't |
| 02:48.58 | Legorol | at least not on the PTR |
| 02:49.03 | eidolarr | not in the notes either |
| 02:49.06 | DWSR | Legorol: For honor turn ins? |
| 02:49.07 | eidolarr | i don't think it matters either way |
| 02:49.12 | eidolarr | DWSR: not in next patch |
| 02:49.13 | Legorol | don't forget that in 3.3.3 you can convert marks one at a time for honor |
| 02:49.19 | eidolarr | turn in 1 at a time for the same ratio |
| 02:49.21 | DWSR | Ah, I |
| 02:49.25 | eidolarr | YOU INDEDE |
| 02:49.30 | DWSR | thought it was going to be the same as now. |
| 02:49.31 | Legorol | you must be able to convert them, since nothing will cost marks anymore |
| 02:49.41 | Legorol | so yo must be able to convert even individual marks |
| 02:49.43 | DWSR | You can convert them now. |
| 02:49.45 | DWSR | :P |
| 02:49.49 | Legorol | sure, but not individual |
| 02:49.57 | eidolarr | I am pretty sure it's the same amount per mark |
| 02:49.59 | Legorol | after 3.3.3 you must be able to do individual, because you can't earn them anymore |
| 02:50.05 | eidolarr | you can |
| 02:50.07 | eidolarr | it's in the notes |
| 02:50.10 | Legorol | yah i know |
| 02:50.16 | Legorol | and currently, you get 2k honor per mark |
| 02:50.24 | Legorol | so, on live, i need a total of 90 marks to get a mount |
| 02:50.24 | eidolarr | per 5 marks |
| 02:50.31 | Legorol | per 1 mark, i am standing at the NPC |
| 02:50.41 | eidolarr | 1 mark * 5 bgs |
| 02:51.11 | Legorol | no eidolarr |
| 02:51.20 | Legorol | you can spend 1 single mark of any type to get a commendation giving you 2k honor |
| 02:51.28 | eidolarr | for real? |
| 02:51.37 | eidolarr | as of when? |
| 02:51.37 | Legorol | yes |
| 02:51.40 | Legorol | as of 3.3.3 |
| 02:51.42 | Legorol | PTR that is |
| 02:51.51 | eidolarr | i thought you said on live |
| 02:52.02 | Legorol | but think about it: i must be correct, even if you haven't met the NPC, otherwise what would i do with a single leftover WSG mark for example? |
| 02:52.16 | Legorol | eidolarr: sorry, misunderstanding |
| 02:52.40 | Legorol | eidolarr: what i'm trying to work out is if i'm better off buying a mount for the 90 marks it currently costs, |
| 02:52.48 | Legorol | or wait for 3.3.3, convert the marks to honor, and buy it then |
| 02:52.59 | Legorol | i'm sure it matters which one i choose |
| 02:53.00 | eidolarr | you have the marks already? |
| 02:53.13 | Legorol | not all of it |
| 02:53.15 | Legorol | but i have some of it |
| 02:53.19 | eidolarr | which are you missing? |
| 02:53.32 | Legorol | about 40-50 of each |
| 02:53.40 | Legorol | (missing 4 mounts) |
| 02:53.50 | eidolarr | aha |
| 02:53.56 | eidolarr | so then if you wait, you can avoid unnecessary rounds of AV |
| 02:53.59 | eidolarr | problem solved |
| 02:54.09 | Legorol | AV is the fastest, most profitable mark gainer for me |
| 02:54.21 | Legorol | on my realm on my faction we always blitz it, usually winning it in 5 minutes |
| 02:54.48 | eidolarr | let me make sure i understand what you were saying before - as of next patch, a single bg token can be traded for 2k honor? |
| 02:54.48 | Legorol | so, here is what i figure so far: |
| 02:54.59 | Legorol | yes, correct, as of current PTR build |
| 02:55.13 | eidolarr | then 90 tokens is moer than double the honor cap, it can't possibly be worth buying now |
| 02:55.25 | Legorol | yup, that's what i am concluding too |
| 02:56.30 | Legorol | how much honor do you get atm for completing the daily quest that needs 1 of every mark? |
| 02:56.30 | eidolarr | it's not daily, but about 1500 iirc |
| 02:56.30 | Legorol | crap ratio then :) |
| 02:56.30 | eidolarr | i highly doubt they'll leave it at 2k:1 |
| 02:56.30 | eidolarr | that's a huge boost in the ratio |
| 02:56.30 | Legorol | idd |
| 02:56.43 | Legorol | even 1k:1 is good for me |
| 02:56.46 | eidolarr | capping out all the tokens would give you 1million honor stockpiled! |
| 02:56.48 | eidolarr | that is crazy |
| 02:56.58 | Legorol | and lots of people do have tokens capped |
| 02:57.00 | kd3 | that and there's all of the marks in the bank |
| 02:57.04 | kd3 | s/bank/mail/ |
| 02:57.10 | Legorol | yup |
| 02:57.13 | eidolarr | the mail is only one day though |
| 02:57.16 | Legorol | i know people who have their mail full of them |
| 02:57.33 | kd3 | one day? it's 30 |
| 02:57.42 | eidolarr | not if they mail it to you because you're capped |
| 02:57.48 | Legorol | eidolarr: actually it'd be 1.2 mil |
| 02:58.05 | eidolarr | are there 6 bgs? |
| 02:58.08 | eidolarr | oh damn there are |
| 02:58.30 | eidolarr | they must be planning to dramatically inflate honor it cataclysm |
| 02:58.33 | Legorol | i thought the BG token overflow mails were 27 days |
| 02:58.47 | eidolarr | unless they changed it within the last 2 weeks nope |
| 02:58.59 | Legorol | at any rate, looks like i'm better off saving those marks |
| 02:59.04 | Legorol | and trying to get as much more as i can :o) |
| 02:59.10 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 02:59.19 | eidolarr | my buddy once capepd all his marks in one weekend in anticipation of the new season |
| 02:59.23 | eidolarr | can you do the same?! |
| 02:59.35 | Legorol | lol no way |
| 02:59.42 | Legorol | WSG is 25 minutes for 1 mark :/ |
| 02:59.52 | eidolarr | yeah he must have been poppin pills |
| 03:00.03 | eidolarr | if you play with 2 or 3 good people you know you can power through wsg |
| 03:00.03 | Legorol | it's not just that.. he must've been winning :D |
| 03:00.37 | eidolarr | I think what he did was queue for 3 of them and bail when the next queue popped if it wasn't an impending win |
| 03:02.02 | eidolarr | the nice thing about wsg is that you can queue with enough of a premade to control the match, but not so much that you get premade queues |
| 03:02.14 | eidolarr | whereas eots or strand, the rest of your team can be bad enough that you lose anyway |
| 03:10.41 | Kraps | Darrowshire is the creepiest place in the game |
| 03:13.41 | Kraps | not to mention the saddest |
| 03:19.36 | kd3 | blargh |
| 03:19.48 | kd3 | looking forward to cata so I can 310% mount everywhere for elders instead of having to run around |
| 03:19.54 | WobWork | yeah |
| 03:20.03 | WobWork | out of all the holiday stuff |
| 03:20.07 | WobWork | the elder hike is the most boring |
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| 03:22.25 | tem | WobWork, DISAGREE |
| 03:22.32 | WobWork | (that I can recall) |
| 03:22.35 | tem | I'd rather do the Elder hike over EVERY OTHER HOLIDAY |
| 03:22.40 | tem | I hate those things so much |
| 03:22.48 | WobWork | tem: You just hate holidays |
| 03:22.52 | tem | I do |
| 03:23.00 | WobWork | It's nothing to do with the Elder hike at all =P |
| 03:23.06 | tem | but I like doing the elder stuff |
| 03:26.12 | Kraps | tem: is it the questing? |
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| 03:32.31 | tem | Kraps, it's the BULLSHIT |
| 03:32.50 | Kraps | that doesnt mean anything... |
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| 03:43.30 | tem | Kraps, I hate the random stuff |
| 03:43.32 | tem | like at easter |
| 03:43.57 | tem | or the ones where you have to wait on the other faction to do something |
| 03:44.03 | tem | like at halloween |
| 03:44.20 | tem | or the stuff you have to do every day for the entire 2 weeks if you want the meta |
| 03:44.24 | tem | like at brewfest |
| 03:46.29 | eidolarr | only if you want to get it in one holiday |
| 03:48.41 | Dagmar | Pfft. You don't do that for the meta. You do that for the *beer* |
| 03:49.02 | Dagmar | I am *still* a member of the brew of the month club. |
| 03:50.56 | Shirik | I hooooooongry |
| 03:50.58 | Shirik | afk |
| 03:52.10 | Cairenn | fuud == guud |
| 03:52.46 | Amarande | besides, I probably have the brewmaster meta, if I cared to log on and check |
| 03:53.00 | Amarande | I think it's the only holiday meta I've ever gotten, and this one only because they nerfed it |
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| 04:11.30 | Amarande | wait, I would need to pay to log on and check ... that's not happening right now :P |
| 04:11.46 | Amarande | not to mention I would want my nvidia card, which is still right now on a truck somewhere between Stratford and Windsor Locks :| |
| 04:14.31 | Shirik | slowest. mcdonalds. ever. |
| 04:15.15 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: why are you on irc at a mcdonalds? |
| 04:15.21 | Shirik | I'm not... |
| 04:15.35 | Thunder_Child | actually...why are you at mcdonalds? |
| 04:15.55 | Seerah | mmmmmmm |
| 04:16.06 | Seerah | are you getting a box of 50 mcnuggets, Shirik? |
| 04:16.18 | Shirik | no but I should have |
| 04:16.21 | Shirik | maybe I will go back in an hour |
| 04:16.26 | Shirik | I should be hungry by then |
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| 04:20.49 | Shirik | wtf |
| 04:20.56 | Shirik | they stuffed 5 chicken selects into a "3" box |
| 04:21.30 | Dagmar | Perhaps they're still overstocked from the SuperBowl deal |
| 04:21.54 | Shirik | well I ordered 5 |
| 04:22.48 | Kraps | are 2-headed ogres twice as stupid? |
| 04:23.16 | Amarande | Seerah: mcnuggets are nasty once you've had the selects :| |
| 04:23.30 | Seerah | you take that back! |
| 04:23.40 | Amarande | have you had the selects? |
| 04:23.57 | Seerah | no - because the nuggets are delicious :) |
| 04:24.09 | Amarande | well, if you ever do, the nuggets will keep making you wish you got selects :) |
| 04:24.16 | Shirik | nuggets are good |
| 04:24.19 | Shirik | I go back and forth |
| 04:24.54 | Dagmar | Kraps: You know the old saying... "All of us might together be smarter than any of us, but none of us is as dumb as Kellie Pickler." |
| 04:25.34 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.46 | Shirik | who's Kellie Pickler? |
| 04:25.51 | Shirik | ~wiki Kellie Pickler |
| 04:25.55 | Shirik | (inc tons of templates) |
| 04:26.04 | Kraps | lol Shirik |
| 04:26.21 | Dagmar | That blonde chick who went on "Are You Dumber Than A Sixth Grader?" and didn't know Hungary even existed |
| 04:26.32 | Amarande | Kellie Pickler is that annoying blonde chick who was on the 5th season of American Idol |
| 04:26.41 | Shirik | ................ what? |
| 04:26.47 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 04:26.48 | Amarande | and proved so irritating that entire web campaigns were created around getting her voted off |
| 04:26.50 | Dagmar | She's a sweet girl, and just as pretty as candyfloss, but she sets new standards for "dumb", even for hillbillies |
| 04:27.08 | Dagmar | Her personality is not "quirky", it's "breathtakingly dim" |
| 04:27.25 | Dagmar | Shirik: If you want a real laugh, read her Wikipedia article carefully |
| 04:27.33 | Amarande | said campaigns were successful and she finished sixth |
| 04:27.46 | Amarande | of course, ironically she's one of the maybe 2 people who really made it from that crop now :P |
| 04:27.46 | Dagmar | Shirik: At one point it said she was taking time off to pursue becoming a paralegal |
| 04:28.02 | Amarande | I think Chris Daughtry was the only other one from 5th season who really made it in music after Idol ended |
| 04:28.03 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:28.14 | Amarande | the top two ... they had their albums and kinda disappeared after that :P |
| 04:28.39 | Dagmar | Amarande: It's a good thing she can sing because I'm not sure she'd have the retention for other fields |
| 04:28.47 | Shirik | Worth a guaranteed $25,000, she was asked, "Budapest is the capital of what European country?". She replied, "This might be a stupid question⦠I thought Europe was a country?" |
| 04:28.54 | Shirik | WHY IS SHE STILL ALIVE |
| 04:28.59 | Dagmar | Shirik: You can find that on YouTube even |
| 04:29.01 | Shirik | Our technology is breaking evolution |
| 04:29.06 | Dagmar | It's even more breathtaking with video. |
| 04:29.54 | Dagmar | She's so cute with her shiny blonde curls and her pink lipstick that it really does boggle the mind that her mind is quite that unencumbered by information. |
| 04:30.47 | Dagmar | Here it is: http://americanidolamericanidol.blogspot.com/2007/11/youtube-video-of-kellie-pickler.html |
| 04:31.01 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2HtjYbeJdY |
| 04:31.04 | Shirik | she is making me cry |
| 04:31.11 | Dagmar | heheheh |
| 04:31.17 | mikma | good, its funny to see men cry |
| 04:31.19 | Dagmar | I'm just glad she's not from TN |
| 04:31.28 | mikma | want a spooon, shirik? |
| 04:31.32 | Shirik | percussion because they start with the same letter? |
| 04:31.33 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 04:31.56 | Dagmar | Jeff there is a bad enough representative of what passes for intelligence in TN. |
| 04:32.09 | Dagmar | At least he's honest enough to admit he's just "reasonably bright" |
| 04:32.31 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Yc2p5meaQ&feature=related |
| 04:32.33 | Shirik | I love the beginning |
| 04:32.41 | Shirik | omg |
| 04:32.48 | Shirik | she really sets a new level of blonde |
| 04:33.44 | Amarande | heh, I don't believe this FML about someone turning into busy traffic and stalling out |
| 04:33.51 | Amarande | they're from iowa. there's busy traffic in iowa? |
| 04:33.53 | Shirik | "Is france a country?" |
| 04:33.59 | Amarande | *people actually are that interested in going to iowa?* |
| 04:34.17 | Amarande | hell, half the time when I have to list the 50 states for something, I forget Iowa even EXISTS. |
| 04:34.56 | Shirik | I had to memorize all 50 capitals once |
| 04:34.58 | Shirik | that sucked |
| 04:36.09 | kdtresh | i did it for fun, lol |
| 04:36.24 | Kraps | Shirik: i'd do her |
| 04:36.29 | Shirik | no, sorry |
| 04:36.43 | Shirik | I don't think I could ever pull myself down that low |
| 04:36.46 | kdtresh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNUDDaEOvuY |
| 04:37.29 | Kraps | theres medication for that |
| 04:38.21 | Amarande | FML comment fail: "I think you should follow your own advice and stick to books written by Dr. Suess." |
| 04:38.26 | Amarande | S-E-U-S-S, foo |
| 04:39.16 | Amarande | I always get a kick out of reading comments on such things from people who think they're big shots criticizing people and then they make basic spelling errors doing so :P |
| 04:39.35 | Amarande | "where's your crown, King Nothing?" :D |
| 04:40.00 | tem | kd3, ping |
| 04:40.08 | kd3 | what's up? |
| 04:40.24 | tem | Bakemonogatari |
| 04:40.40 | tem | damn you for pointing me to an in-progress series |
| 04:40.50 | kd3 | bwahaha |
| 04:41.06 | kd3 | the second web ep (of 3) just came out. hopefully the final one will be out soonish |
| 04:41.31 | tem | the final? |
| 04:41.32 | tem | what? |
| 04:41.39 | tem | I see it at 13 eps so far |
| 04:41.47 | tem | no |
| 04:41.48 | tem | 15 |
| 04:41.49 | kd3 | it'll come to 15 in total |
| 04:41.55 | tem | oh |
| 04:41.56 | tem | excellent |
| 04:42.12 | tem | the 12 I just downloaded have no subs |
| 04:42.26 | tem | which makes me angry |
| 04:42.36 | kd3 | you got a raw feed. there should be batches from gg/qIIq/elsewhere |
| 04:43.22 | tem | evidently so |
| 04:43.27 | tem | how frequently do the eps come out? |
| 04:44.13 | kd3 | 1-12 were on tv, 13's been out for a while (6 weeks and counting at least), 14 just came out a few days ago... 15? dunno. a month? |
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| 04:47.41 | kd3 | and by 6 weeks I mean 3 months >.< |
| 04:47.42 | Kraps | does shatt have a shammy trainer? |
| 04:47.52 | kd3 | no. no class trainers in shattrath |
| 04:56.25 | DWSR | I'm so glad there's going to be no sanctuary in Cata. |
| 04:56.34 | DWSR | I'm so sick of seeing Horde that I can't kill. |
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| 05:12.32 | tem | kd3, so how long before this series is complete? |
| 05:12.37 | tem | can you make a guess? |
| 05:12.43 | Shirik | I have morons as friends |
| 05:12.48 | Shirik | just got a call |
| 05:12.57 | kd3 | the last ep release is supposedly end of march |
| 05:13.03 | Shirik | friend was playing basketball. Somehow he managed to shatter his kneecap and tear his ACL |
| 05:13.08 | kd3 | but shaft is pretty notorious for missing deadlines |
| 05:13.19 | tem | shaft = the production company? |
| 05:13.23 | kd3 | ya |
| 05:13.28 | Corrodias | Shirik: i hope there's more to it |
| 05:13.41 | Shirik | how did he do it? |
| 05:13.47 | Shirik | He tried to make a basket, nothing more |
| 05:13.50 | Corrodias | falling down on his knee, i dunno |
| 05:13.51 | Shirik | he wasn't pushed down, he didn't trip |
| 05:14.03 | Shirik | how can you be THAT BAD |
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| 05:25.23 | tem | kd3, quick suggest an anime I haven't seen that you consider extremely good |
| 05:25.56 | kdtresh | what have you seen? lol |
| 05:26.01 | kd3 | how well do you like slow-paced stuff? |
| 05:26.16 | Corrodias | where's that picture... |
| 05:26.16 | tem | how slow-paced? |
| 05:26.28 | Corrodias | code geass is like the opposite of slow paced |
| 05:26.28 | kd3 | "slice of life"? |
| 05:26.38 | tem | slice of life can be fine |
| 05:26.46 | kd3 | though in this case it's set in ~2300 on a terraformed mars |
| 05:26.52 | tem | it just better go somewhere eventually or I'm going to be pissed off |
| 05:26.52 | kd3 | >.> |
| 05:27.27 | kd3 | well, ya. it does, though it's about 4 cours (52 eps) long spread over three seasons |
| 05:27.29 | kdtresh | ebichu? |
| 05:27.30 | kd3 | go watch Aria |
| 05:27.46 | tem | a friend reccomended Air TV to me last week |
| 05:27.56 | kd3 | air's ok. clannad's far better |
| 05:28.03 | kd3 | far, far better |
| 05:28.12 | tem | I HATED Air |
| 05:28.12 | tem | it seemed like it was going to be good |
| 05:28.20 | tem | and then the main character just decided to turn into a bird |
| 05:28.25 | tem | and it got extra lame from there on |
| 05:28.35 | tem | clannad was definitely far better |
| 05:28.42 | kd3 | points to his list |
| 05:29.11 | kd3 | http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=mylist&uid=328655 |
| 05:29.16 | Corrodias | meanwhile, Code Geass is a very intense one... although the second season is a bit different from the first. it's still good. about as good as anime gets as far as i'm concerned. |
| 05:29.26 | Corrodias | i know i have a common /a/ recommendations list around here somewhere |
| 05:29.39 | kd3 | sort on the "My" column to see my rating, or the rating column just to the left to see the general view |
| 05:29.42 | kdtresh | no kenshin? |
| 05:29.56 | kd3 | I've read the manga. I'll get around to the anime at some point |
| 05:30.04 | tem | Corrodias, if by "different" you mean "good" then I agree with you |
| 05:30.18 | tem | I really liked the ending of that series for a change |
| 05:30.30 | kd3 | geass? typical sunrise disaster in the making, but it was good |
| 05:30.31 | Corrodias | i just mean different. i loved the ending, but the early parts of season 2 bugged me a bit. |
| 05:30.37 | tem | I thought the ending was going to kill me |
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| 05:30.40 | Corrodias | it wasn't bad, though. |
| 05:30.50 | kdtresh | i've only got vols 1-9 of the manga for kenshin |
| 05:31.06 | tem | I watched kenshin until it got bad |
| 05:31.14 | tem | so I until episode ~75 or so |
| 05:31.26 | tem | the movies were incredible for kenshin though |
| 05:31.32 | kdtresh | i don't think it even lasted that long |
| 05:31.38 | kdtresh | after shishio it's kinda sad |
| 05:31.47 | kdtresh | i think it's maybe 60-65 |
| 05:31.51 | tem | yes |
| 05:31.58 | tem | after shishio is where I quit |
| 05:32.08 | kd3 | heh, anidb agrees with me on clannad |
| 05:32.09 | kdtresh | i think that's where the manga quit |
| 05:32.13 | tem | I got a bit into the next arc and I was just like bleh |
| 05:32.16 | kdtresh | and the show got stale |
| 05:32.19 | Shirik | my name is |
| 05:32.24 | kd3 | season 2's the toprated series on my list |
| 05:32.37 | tem | clannad has a season 2? |
| 05:32.46 | kd3 | yes, it's "Clannad After Story" |
| 05:32.48 | tem | hmm I don't think I watched that |
| 05:32.55 | kd3 | it picks up where season one left off |
| 05:33.01 | tem | I don't remember season one |
| 05:33.08 | kd3 | the new clannad, not the old toei version |
| 05:33.09 | tem | btw, it's not the highest rated on your list |
| 05:33.15 | kdtresh | is neon genesis: evangelion still around? |
| 05:33.25 | tem | everyone has seen eva |
| 05:33.27 | kd3 | kara no kyokai's a set of movies. |
| 05:33.28 | Corrodias | i have 7,000 unsorted images |
| 05:33.34 | Corrodias | it TAKES Me a while to find anything |
| 05:33.36 | kdtresh | that doesn't surprise me |
| 05:33.44 | kdtresh | i think that was the first full series i watched |
| 05:33.45 | tem | I actually discovered kara no kyokai this weekend |
| 05:33.52 | tem | by accidently downloading the 5th movie |
| 05:34.00 | tem | and then I stopped because I realized it was the 5th |
| 05:34.01 | kd3 | also very good, highly recommended. but do watch it in order |
| 05:34.26 | tem | I also heard it was kind of the same shit as Fate/Stay |
| 05:34.38 | tem | so I was a little reluctant to pull up more of it |
| 05:34.45 | Arrowmaster | kd3: you bastard, how could you give Dokuro-chan such a low rating |
| 05:34.51 | tem | but you seem to have a very high opinion of it |
| 05:34.51 | kd3 | fate/stay... not really. it's in the tsukihime universe |
| 05:34.57 | tem | so I may give it a try |
| 05:35.05 | kd3 | dokuro was hilarious but it's soured on me |
| 05:35.07 | Shirik | tem |
| 05:35.16 | Shirik | are you criticizing fate/say? |
| 05:35.18 | Shirik | stay* |
| 05:35.22 | tem | not very much |
| 05:35.26 | Shirik | good |
| 05:35.28 | tem | only that I didn't feel like watching it again |
| 05:35.32 | Shirik | because I might have to ban you otherwise |
| 05:35.38 | tem | lol |
| 05:35.40 | Corrodias | how much can you expect from something that comes from an ero-game, though? really? |
| 05:35.54 | tem | I kind of hated the ending to fate/stay |
| 05:35.55 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: have you ever played the game? |
| 05:35.58 | kd3 | I am looking forward to the movie, but yah. the series I have no interest to rewatch |
| 05:36.00 | Corrodias | i haven't |
| 05:36.06 | tem | but then I realized that it was just like one of a million endings |
| 05:36.11 | tem | so I stopped caring |
| 05:36.28 | Arrowmaster | learn something about visual novels then before calling them ero-games |
| 05:36.37 | tem | Toki o Kakeru Shoujo: fucking awesome movie |
| 05:36.50 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:36.52 | Shirik | shoujo? |
| 05:37.07 | Arrowmaster | theres like 2 ero scenes in a play through of fate/stay night |
| 05:37.13 | kd3 | the director's next movie, "Summer Wars" is just as good |
| 05:37.18 | tem | The Girl who leaps through time is the english title, I think |
| 05:37.22 | Corrodias | i've got nothing against the medium or the game specifically, man. that's just how it's been described to me before. |
| 05:37.24 | kd3 | though it'd be nice if someone would freaking sub it |
| 05:37.30 | Corrodias | perhaps the tellers have exaggerated. |
| 05:37.31 | Arrowmaster | kd3: higurashi a 7? seriously a 7? |
| 05:37.41 | kd3 | I didn't like it |
| 05:37.44 | Shirik | perhaps that's a direct translation |
| 05:38.03 | Shirik | shoujo generally has a nearly pedophilic connotation I believe |
| 05:38.10 | kd3 | no |
| 05:38.12 | Shirik | unless I'm thinking of another word |
| 05:38.19 | Corrodias | you are |
| 05:38.19 | tem | shoujo just means girl |
| 05:38.26 | Corrodias | loli or shota |
| 05:38.26 | Shirik | there must be something similar |
| 05:38.31 | Shirik | not loli :P |
| 05:38.32 | kd3 | you're thinking shota |
| 05:38.36 | Shirik | perhaps |
| 05:38.45 | Arrowmaster | kd3: ive seen a lot of stuff you gave a 7 it seems |
| 05:39.04 | Shirik | curious |
| 05:39.09 | Shirik | shoujo also means "promotion" |
| 05:40.08 | tem | lol kd3 |
| 05:40.11 | kd3 | I ranked a lot of stuff 7 |
| 05:40.13 | tem | I like your rating of DearS |
| 05:40.24 | Shirik | wait are these posted somewhere? |
| 05:40.33 | tem | I'm not sure I made it all the way through a whole episode of that before I dropped it |
| 05:40.33 | kd3 | http://anidb.net/u328655 |
| 05:40.43 | kd3 | sort on the "My" column |
| 05:40.53 | Shirik | kd3 |
| 05:40.56 | Shirik | you need to watch Yumeria |
| 05:41.05 | kd3 | it's in the queue, actually |
| 05:41.39 | Shirik | no burst angel? |
| 05:41.44 | kd3 | working my way through i my me strawberry eggs and shuffle (talk about mood whiplash) right now |
| 05:41.52 | kd3 | I hated.... hated! the ending to burst angel |
| 05:42.02 | kd3 | don't think I ever listed that I watched it on anidb |
| 05:42.07 | Shirik | I haven't finished it |
| 05:42.09 | Shirik | so |
| 05:42.26 | tem | I think I've seen Yumeria |
| 05:42.30 | tem | but I don't remember any of it |
| 05:42.47 | tem | (the summary sounded familliar) |
| 05:42.52 | Shirik | You should add Naruto so you can give it a 3 |
| 05:43.08 | tem | Naruto was decent until it decided to go on forever |
| 05:43.12 | kd3 | har... think I stopped watching in the 120s of the original series |
| 05:43.23 | kd3 | dunno how I got that far |
| 05:43.37 | Arrowmaster | i dropped it whenever DB stopped subbing it |
| 05:43.55 | tem | I marathoned the hell out of that and got to wherever it went into the filler-of-doom |
| 05:44.06 | tem | and that's when I stopped |
| 05:44.28 | Shirik | why do yo uhave no rating for kimi ga nozomu eien :( |
| 05:44.36 | kd3 | I stopped when anbu/aone dropped it |
| 05:44.43 | kd3 | so, ep 121 according to anidb |
| 05:44.51 | kd3 | because it's in my watch queue too |
| 05:45.04 | kd3 | though I've actually already downloaded it |
| 05:45.16 | Shirik | hey what's that anime with the girl that's like the size of the guy's thumb or something |
| 05:45.23 | Shirik | or that becomes his thumb |
| 05:45.28 | kd3 | midori no hibi |
| 05:45.29 | kd3 | his hand |
| 05:45.29 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:45.31 | Arrowmaster | did you drop ga-rei zero or something? youve only got 1 eps of it |
| 05:45.33 | Shirik | yeah that's it |
| 05:45.44 | Arrowmaster | s/1/3/ |
| 05:45.47 | kd3 | arrow, ya. though I'll probably pick it back up |
| 05:46.00 | tem | Midori no hibi |
| 05:46.05 | tem | I dropped that shit |
| 05:46.07 | Arrowmaster | i rated it pretty high |
| 05:46.32 | Arrowmaster | garei zero, no midori no hibi, havent seen that one |
| 05:46.43 | tem | Shirik, kimi ga nozomu eien is probably the most depressing anime I've ever watched |
| 05:46.49 | Shirik | I think I watched the first 2 episodes or so. I didn't stop because I didn't like it, I think I just stopped for no reason |
| 05:46.54 | Shirik | tem: What's wrong with that |
| 05:46.56 | kd3 | MnH was okay. the manga was better |
| 05:46.59 | Shirik | Life is not all happy go lucky ok? |
| 05:47.06 | tem | I enjoyed it |
| 05:47.07 | Shirik | sometimes you need something real |
| 05:47.10 | Shirik | me too! |
| 05:47.11 | tem | but it was depressing as hell |
| 05:47.15 | tem | the end was good, iirc |
| 05:47.17 | Shirik | life is depressing |
| 05:47.27 | tem | but holy balls the middle section |
| 05:48.14 | Arrowmaster | i didnt think it was that bad |
| 05:48.56 | Arrowmaster | they threw the major stuff in too early before you could really get too attached |
| 05:49.18 | tem | the girl in the coma? |
| 05:49.20 | tem | fuck her |
| 05:49.24 | tem | she ruins everything |
| 05:49.55 | tem | there's a point where someone takes off a ring and drops in someone else's cup |
| 05:49.56 | kd3 | blah. kill bill thought crossing my mind |
| 05:50.02 | tem | that moment could have killed me |
| 05:50.11 | Jerub | sigh. |
| 05:50.11 | *** join/#wowuidev xqo (~xqo@195.131.251.212.customer.cdi.no) |
| 05:50.30 | Jerub | i've been raiding as a pug in a raiding guild for the last month, 3 times in icc25. |
| 05:50.59 | Jerub | yesterday i queried the raidleader about if we were continuing (we weren't going to last night if not enough people were online) |
| 05:51.20 | Jerub | ... so after he told me know, he says, "I like you btw, just so you know" |
| 05:51.48 | Jerub | sigh. i've gotta talk on vent more. but i'm wondering if i should let him continue to think i'm a chick. |
| 05:52.10 | Dagmar | It'll be better if you wait until he gets a little more "intimate" in his comments. |
| 05:52.13 | Dagmar | THEN get on Ventrilo. |
| 05:52.20 | kd3 | this |
| 05:52.24 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:52.29 | Cairenn | rolls her eyes |
| 05:52.30 | Dagmar | You'll want to speak with a deep, burly voice, too. :) |
| 05:52.34 | Jerub | where do i get a logger? |
| 05:52.42 | Jerub | :P |
| 05:52.44 | kd3 | and anyway, time to swap displays. blargh |
| 05:52.53 | Jerub | also, video card arrived today. |
| 05:52.56 | Arrowmaster | and start using stuff like 'teehee' in chat |
| 05:52.56 | Jerub | how do i install windows? |
| 05:53.11 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: i mostly make "your mother" jokes.. |
| 05:53.15 | Kraps | ""I like you btw", did you ask him why? |
| 05:53.31 | Jerub | Kraps: no, i ran a mile. |
| 05:53.41 | Jerub | Kraps: i didn't respond. |
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| 05:54.51 | kd3 | multicard with opengl/vdpau working on all displays? wtb... |
| 05:56.07 | eidolarr | once i dated a girl for a year until we started playing wow. she was addicted and joined a hardcore raid guild. then we broke up because i found her txting some kid from her guild 'i love you.' now she is dating a high school kid from across the country |
| 05:56.30 | eidolarr | [who is from wow] |
| 05:56.37 | Jerub | eidolarr: amazing. |
| 05:56.48 | Kraps | eidolarr: hawt |
| 05:56.59 | eidolarr | what is really amazing is that if it was not for wow i might never have known she was a fuckin nutter |
| 05:57.31 | Kraps | lawl |
| 05:59.55 | Jerub | i don't do it to tarp people, i just don't talk on vent so my wife can sleep. |
| 06:01.29 | eidolarr | i wish people would take into account the proportion of male to female players vs male to female toons and realize that it is unlikely that a female avatar is a female player |
| 06:01.49 | eidolarr | the coolest two women i played with rarely spoke on vent and were both male tauren |
| 06:03.52 | eidolarr | i have another makefile question |
| 06:04.00 | eidolarr | for using "macros" this site says they're of the form |
| 06:04.03 | eidolarr | $(name,modifier[,modifier]...) |
| 06:04.39 | eidolarr | what is wrong with this for prepending the directory to each object file: |
| 06:04.41 | eidolarr | $(OBJFILES,<DIR) |
| 06:07.20 | DWSR | Guys |
| 06:07.21 | DWSR | Help me. |
| 06:07.28 | DWSR | I feel the need to redo my UI for the 3rd time this month. |
| 06:07.37 | Torhal | DWSR: Are you sure you're not beyond help at this point? |
| 06:07.43 | DWSR | No |
| 06:09.34 | DWSR | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/23425633874-pvp-a-blizzard-employee.html |
| 06:10.17 | Shirik | hey Kraps |
| 06:10.23 | Shirik | I got a barnstar from a vandal o.o; |
| 06:10.29 | Kraps | lol |
| 06:10.40 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shirik&diff=346448078&oldid=345997618 |
| 06:12.20 | DWSR | barnstar? |
| 06:12.53 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shirik Scroll down to the bottom |
| 06:13.52 | Adys | epeenpedia |
| 06:13.56 | Shirik | ^ |
| 06:14.12 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 06:14.19 | Shirik | but the real reward |
| 06:14.19 | tem | The Editor's Barnstar: "For being a total cuntfaced dickfuck" |
| 06:14.21 | tem | super |
| 06:14.24 | Shirik | look on the right side |
| 06:14.34 | Shirik | vn-53 |
| 06:14.43 | Shirik | that's the real trophy ;) |
| 06:14.51 | Shirik | actually it should say 54 now |
| 06:14.59 | Shirik | or maybe.... |
| 06:15.10 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1610 |
| 06:16.16 | Kraps | Shirik: even vandals have to admit: when you're good, you're good |
| 06:16.30 | Shirik | Do you know juliancolton? |
| 06:16.32 | tem | Adys, I don't think that comic is as funny as it really is if you don't know about Hanners |
| 06:17.10 | Adys | maybe so. |
| 06:17.42 | Kraps | whos that? |
| 06:17.53 | Adys | the blonde |
| 06:18.03 | Shirik | some guy that should be a crat tbh |
| 06:18.10 | Adys | her face in panel 3 is priceless |
| 06:18.10 | tem | She's a bit of a germaphobe |
| 06:18.22 | Shirik | he's telling me to do an rfa -_- |
| 06:18.39 | tem | rfa? |
| 06:18.42 | tem | request for admin? |
| 06:18.44 | Adys | req for admin |
| 06:18.46 | Shirik | ^ |
| 06:20.08 | tem | someone in europe is king of seeders |
| 06:20.21 | tem | I'm getting 500kB/s from them right now |
| 06:20.24 | Adys | seeds tem |
| 06:20.27 | Shirik | that's all? |
| 06:20.36 | tem | well |
| 06:20.36 | Adys | seeds Shirik too |
| 06:20.44 | Shirik | gives Adys his seed |
| 06:20.45 | tem | isn't that kind of a lot for one person? |
| 06:20.58 | Adys | not if you got a dedicated box |
| 06:20.59 | tem | my up badwidth is capped at like 75 kb/s |
| 06:21.14 | Jerub | tem: some people use colocated servers for bt |
| 06:21.22 | DWSR | tem: No. |
| 06:21.30 | DWSR | tem: 500kbps is pretty low for a private tracker swarm. |
| 06:21.44 | DWSR | Esepcially a 0day scene tracker. |
| 06:21.56 | tem | this isn't a tracker swarm |
| 06:21.59 | DWSR | I have been on torrents that will pull down 1mbps per seed. |
| 06:22.00 | tem | this is one peer |
| 06:22.05 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 06:22.11 | DWSR | I meant, for a seed in a swarm. |
| 06:22.33 | Shirik | Adys, you want my seed? |
| 06:22.38 | DWSR | 0day scene tracker seeders will usually be maxing out gbps lines. |
| 06:22.43 | Adys | Shirik: Can I eat it? |
| 06:22.51 | Shirik | .................................. |
| 06:22.58 | Shirik | ............................................................................... |
| 06:22.59 | DWSR | Shirik: As long as you eat well. |
| 06:23.08 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:23.12 | packman | pacman's taken =( |
| 06:24.26 | Adys | can someone explain me why firebug-like inputboxes aren't more popular? |
| 06:24.39 | Adys | They're a usability gem |
| 06:25.12 | Shirik | firebug-like? |
| 06:25.19 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/44092/reforged-truesilver-champion/ |
| 06:25.25 | Adys | click the underlined 80 |
| 06:26.38 | Nitra | Because it is non-obvious that you actually can input there |
| 06:27.06 | Adys | that can be fixed easily |
| 06:27.07 | Adys | point is |
| 06:27.11 | Adys | they're not popular |
| 06:28.35 | Dagmar | ...cuz no one but the developer generally has any idea they're there. |
| 06:28.42 | Nitra | Not really, we got a predefined way of how text input should look like on the the web, in the same way that underlined colored texts are links |
| 06:28.46 | Adys | do you read Dagmar? |
| 06:28.47 | Dagmar | Add some spinwheel controls and yer golden |
| 06:28.59 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean just a bit of javascript that swaps out a text block for an input element? |
| 06:29.01 | Adys | as i said, the fact it's not obvious you can input can be fixed |
| 06:29.05 | Adys | yeah NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:29.10 | Dagmar | Adys: If you'd pay attention you'd see that I was agreeing with you |
| 06:29.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, the reason those aren't popular is because it's not easy to make it obvoius that an input box IS there. |
| 06:29.45 | Adys | it doesn't always have to be |
| 06:29.59 | NightHawkTheSane | so rather than try to solve that, most developers just don't use it |
| 06:29.59 | Adys | take for example a page widget |
| 06:30.00 | DWSR | Adys: Right, but how do you make it look like an input box without looking like an input box. |
| 06:30.08 | DWSR | ?? |
| 06:30.10 | Adys | as i said, it doesnt have to |
| 06:30.24 | DWSR | Adys: It does, or else it's not obvious to the user that it's an input box. |
| 06:30.34 | Adys | it doesnt always matter :) |
| 06:30.40 | Adys | say for example I color some text the same style I color links |
| 06:30.46 | Adys | you can tell right away that it's clickable |
| 06:30.59 | DWSR | Except it's not. |
| 06:31.16 | Adys | .. yes it is |
| 06:31.27 | DWSR | Except it's not because it's text and not a link |
| 06:31.33 | Adys | who cares? |
| 06:31.38 | DWSR | I do. |
| 06:31.42 | Nitra | I would probably middle-click it then and not get the desired effect |
| 06:31.54 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 06:31.56 | Adys | that can be implemented Nitra |
| 06:32.13 | Nitra | Yes, but someone has to do it ;) |
| 06:32.24 | Adys | what are you guys on about |
| 06:32.30 | Adys | are we even talking about the same thing? |
| 06:32.46 | Adys | take for example a page widget |
| 06:33.11 | Nitra | And all other special ways various browsers treat links, compared to how your javascript should work |
| 06:33.32 | Nitra | You shouldn't trick the user clicking something he thinks is a link, that isn't a link |
| 06:33.32 | Adys | ...... |
| 06:33.34 | Adys | it doesnt matter |
| 06:33.40 | Nitra | Users will get confused |
| 06:33.55 | Adys | you want to make something obviously clickable, you make it so |
| 06:34.01 | Adys | you can give it a slightly different style |
| 06:34.10 | Adys | as long as its consistent with the rest of the site the user will grasp it quickly |
| 06:34.11 | DWSR | right |
| 06:34.17 | Adys | eg a pagewidget: you got [<< First] [< Prev] ([Page 25] of 50) [Next >] [Last >>] |
| 06:34.25 | Adys | make [Page 25] clickable like that |
| 06:34.28 | DWSR | But, the point of that particular piece of java script is to make it an input box as well, right? |
| 06:34.34 | Adys | no |
| 06:34.52 | DWSR | Then why the hell did you refer to it as a firebug-esqe input box? |
| 06:34.53 | Adys | the point is to be able to quickly modify values without having an annoying popup or some sort of secondary widget |
| 06:34.59 | DWSR | YES IT'S AN INPUT BOX |
| 06:35.09 | DWSR | YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE AN INPUT BOX LOOK LIKE NOT AN INPUT BOX |
| 06:35.18 | Adys | what is your problem? |
| 06:35.19 | DWSR | BUT STILL MAKE IT OBVIOUS TO THE USER THAT IT'S AN INPUT BOX |
| 06:35.25 | DWSR | YOU CAN SEE WHY THIS IS A PROBLEM, YES? |
| 06:35.40 | Adys | i can see you're leaking braincells, dont slip on them |
| 06:35.52 | DWSR | I can see you're leaking stupid. Please try to not drink it. |
| 06:36.04 | Adys | I'm not the one freaking out in caps.. |
| 06:36.13 | DWSR | I'm not freaking out either. |
| 06:36.18 | Adys | no, totally not |
| 06:36.21 | DWSR | I'm highlighting a point in a client-neutral way. |
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| 06:36.59 | Adys | my point is that it's a very useful widget |
| 06:37.01 | DWSR | Yes it is. |
| 06:37.07 | DWSR | It, however, has usability issues. |
| 06:37.10 | Adys | it's easy to make and it's also easy to highlight it as such |
| 06:37.15 | DWSR | Not easily solvable ones either. |
| 06:37.18 | Shirik | OMG I MISSED THE CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL |
| 06:37.20 | Adys | sure they are |
| 06:37.21 | Shirik | CAN I JOIN |
| 06:37.24 | DWSR | No, they're not. |
| 06:37.27 | Adys | you are too late Shirik |
| 06:37.31 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:37.46 | DWSR | Because, as I *just* pointed out, you're taking an input box and turning it into a not input box-esqe form. |
| 06:38.12 | Adys | when you add a custom widget to a website, as long as it's obvious how it works, and as long as you are consistent within your website |
| 06:38.24 | Adys | the user's difficult time will be literally a couple of seconds |
| 06:38.32 | DWSR | As soon as you make it more input box-esqe, you lose the point of the widget and you might as well put in an input box. |
| 06:38.42 | DWSR | Adys: Couple of seconds = most users attention spans. |
| 06:38.58 | Adys | particularly yours, didnt you follow? |
| 06:39.06 | Nitra | KISS |
| 06:39.09 | DWSR | ^ |
| 06:39.20 | Adys | you don't HAVE to make a widget essential to your website's usage |
| 06:39.38 | Adys | like how i said about pages |
| 06:39.46 | Adys | you can still navigate them as you would |
| 06:40.05 | Adys | and the day you'll notice the widget is clickable, you'll say "Oh, gee, how much time have I wasted not using that" |
| 06:40.16 | Adys | and as of that moment, "Hey, purple underdotted text is clickable like that page widget!" |
| 06:40.37 | DWSR | Adys: Because 90% of people won't figure it out. |
| 06:40.43 | Adys | who cares? |
| 06:40.48 | Adys | it's not essential |
| 06:40.51 | DWSR | The developer of said widget? |
| 06:40.51 | Nitra | What's the point of a widget almost no one uses |
| 06:40.53 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 06:40.55 | Adys | ... |
| 06:41.07 | Adys | you know how many people highlight text manually and go in menu -> edit -> copy? |
| 06:41.10 | Adys | a LOT of people |
| 06:41.15 | Adys | is that a reason to remove the keybind? |
| 06:41.34 | DWSR | Adys: No, but the keybind is not a widget. |
| 06:41.39 | DWSR | And also, plenty of people also use the keybind. |
| 06:41.43 | Adys | then use your fucking brain |
| 06:41.45 | DWSR | And by the way, get off your Mac. |
| 06:41.57 | DWSR | This must be a Macfag thing. |
| 06:42.01 | Adys | I've been using linux for years but thanks |
| 06:42.33 | DWSR | Adys: If you want to go ahead and develop the widget for your website, that's awesome. |
| 06:42.53 | DWSR | We're pointing out the side effect of your choices. |
| 06:43.11 | DWSR | Sitting here and saying "Well gee it's awesome" is a pretty stupid statement. |
| 06:43.21 | Adys | Sorry, I crossed you off my "Ever take opinion in account" list the moment you said macfag |
| 06:43.40 | DWSR | You seem to think I care? |
| 06:44.05 | Adys | Did I say I thought that? |
| 06:44.09 | DWSR | This *is* still multi-player notepad, right Shirik? |
| 06:44.10 | Adys | quit fucking trolling |
| 06:44.13 | DWSR | Adys: By stating it, yes. |
| 06:44.21 | Shirik | do I have to separate you two? |
| 06:44.29 | DWSR | Shirik: I call the corner with the pillows in it. |
| 06:45.17 | DWSR | And preferably the padded walls as well. |
| 06:45.22 | DWSR | oh wait. |
| 06:45.24 | DWSR | >.< |
| 06:45.38 | Adys | make sure there isn't a macfag in that corner already |
| 06:46.00 | Adys | he'd probably use currency symbols in company names and that hurts a lot |
| 06:46.21 | DWSR | No, I affectionately call them Microsoft. |
| 06:46.39 | Shirik | Adys |
| 06:46.45 | Shirik | just drop it |
| 06:46.47 | DWSR | needs more rage. |
| 06:46.50 | DWSR | imo |
| 06:47.08 | Shirik | go play SC2 or some shit |
| 06:47.09 | Adys | I'm sorry Shirik I can't fucking get over someone calling someone else a fag over some computer choice |
| 06:47.25 | Adys | I don't call ATI users fags |
| 06:47.40 | DWSR | Adys: There are people blowing each other up over land claims that predate most of modern civilization and you find *that* surprising? |
| 06:48.01 | DWSR | The internet has obviously been kind to you |
| 06:48.57 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:48.58 | Shirik | enough |
| 06:49.02 | Shirik | new topic: |
| 06:49.05 | Shirik | ummmmm |
| 06:49.09 | DWSR | fail |
| 06:49.11 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 06:49.12 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 06:49.17 | DWSR | :P |
| 06:49.23 | DWSR | [/statusquo] |
| 06:49.23 | Shirik | well I was going to say something about Cairenn but she might take that offensively |
| 06:49.58 | Shirik | ok new topic |
| 06:50.08 | Shirik | no |
| 06:50.09 | Shirik | bleh |
| 06:50.15 | Shirik | I can't think of anything |
| 06:50.18 | Adys | http://www.translationparty.com/#6688455 |
| 06:51.30 | Shirik | http://www.translationparty.com/#6688467 |
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| 06:58.43 | Ancu | surprisingly, "The world ends tomorrow." is an equilibrium..... |
| 06:59.54 | Adys | http://www.translationparty.com/#6688520 |
| 07:00.11 | Adys | The Japanese are really a lot more accurate |
| 07:00.16 | Shirik | What the hell: http://www.translationparty.com/#6688528 |
| 07:01.08 | Shadowed | This site shouldn't be so amusing |
| 07:01.09 | Shadowed | and yet it is |
| 07:01.19 | Adys | http://www.translationparty.com/#6688543 |
| 07:02.27 | Adys | http://www.translationparty.com/#6688551 |
| 07:02.34 | Adys | i really dont see how March 31 happened |
| 07:03.08 | Shadowed | End of the world as predicted by TranslationParty |
| 07:03.18 | Shirik | haha |
| 07:03.20 | Shirik | I see |
| 07:03.33 | Adys | http://www.translationparty.com/#6688561 |
| 07:04.17 | Shadowed | Also translationparty is a secret christian website bent on converting us all |
| 07:04.43 | Adys | Shadowed |
| 07:04.47 | Shadowed | Adys: |
| 07:04.54 | Adys | Link me your stuff again |
| 07:04.58 | Shadowed | what stuff |
| 07:05.04 | Adys | your stuff |
| 07:05.06 | Adys | got it tho |
| 07:05.08 | Shadowed | my stuff? |
| 07:05.37 | Adys | We're sorry, but something went wrong. |
| 07:05.37 | Adys | We've been notified about this issue and we'll take a look at it shortly. |
| 07:05.55 | Adys | =( |
| 07:06.10 | Shadowed | link |
| 07:06.48 | Adys | http://elitistarmory.com/EU/Bloodhoof/Jexxy |
| 07:07.05 | Shadowed | moment |
| 07:07.36 | airtonix | [comment about adys being banned] |
| 07:07.50 | Shadowed | no that's Ackis |
| 07:07.51 | Adys | your mama |
| 07:08.02 | airtonix | same person isnt it ? |
| 07:08.24 | Shadowed | true |
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| 07:08.58 | Shadowed | oh |
| 07:09.01 | airtonix | what is the name of the guy who jumps around the stage and froths at the mouth like a raging zealot when he says 'developers, developers, developers!' |
| 07:09.01 | Shadowed | it's cause you have an heirloom |
| 07:09.05 | Adys | yeah |
| 07:09.08 | Shadowed | Adys? |
| 07:09.08 | Adys | thats what i wanted to check |
| 07:09.16 | Adys | if heirlooms worked :P |
| 07:10.40 | Shadowed | in a second |
| 07:11.28 | Shadowed | k http://elitistarmory.com/EU/Bloodhoof/Jexxy |
| 07:11.52 | Adys | Shadowed: you can use ?level=%i |
| 07:11.55 | Shadowed | k |
| 07:33.27 | Fisker | slaps Shadowed around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:35.56 | Shadowed | bans Fisker |
| 07:36.20 | airtonix | sees that fisker is still here. |
| 07:45.13 | Fisker | Shadowed airtonix |
| 07:45.19 | Fisker | also diplomatic immunity |
| 07:45.28 | Shadowed | I don't think you have diplomatic immunity |
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| 07:56.48 | cog|away | ding 80 (first time i've had 2 max level characters since classic) |
| 07:57.01 | Jerub | cog|away: grats :P |
| 07:57.03 | nevcairiel | gratz |
| 07:57.06 | Jerub | i'm working on my mage. level 75 :/ |
| 07:57.20 | nevcairiel | i didnt manage that in classic |
| 07:57.25 | nevcairiel | in BC i had 3, though! |
| 07:57.50 | cog|away | cogwheel was my first 60 but they didn't want him for raiding so i leveled my lock |
| 07:57.59 | nevcairiel | what class is he? |
| 07:58.42 | cog|away | gnome warrior |
| 07:59.00 | cog|away | (yes the "gnome" is part of his class :P ) |
| 07:59.18 | nevcairiel | i love gnome warriors, its so awesome seeing them tank big bosses |
| 07:59.28 | Jerub | my warrior might overtake my mage |
| 07:59.33 | Jerub | he's on 38 now. |
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| 07:59.51 | Jerub | i'm on horde. we just say "gnome" and everyone lols. it's tragic |
| 08:00.03 | nevcairiel | although a gnome warrior has to be female and have pink hair |
| 08:00.07 | nevcairiel | imho :) |
| 08:00.19 | cog|away | that's what my rogue who just dinged is :P |
| 08:00.23 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 08:00.30 | zenzio | that sounds just like my former guild's main tank was |
| 08:00.31 | cog|away | pink princess leia buns |
| 08:00.44 | smcn | as soon as race change to goblin is available i'm busting out the credit card |
| 08:00.55 | Jerub | cog|away: they're both gnomes? |
| 08:00.59 | cog|away | yep |
| 08:00.59 | smcn | goblin priest & goblin dk a go go |
| 08:01.08 | nevcairiel | I was considering changing my warrior to gnome |
| 08:01.24 | cog|away | my mage (65) is a gnome, as is my dk (73?) |
| 08:01.28 | nevcairiel | but i dont want to miss my nelf racials |
| 08:01.33 | cog|away | and my priest will be >:D |
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| 08:02.55 | zenzio | nevcairiel: I never found the NE racials that interesting... on alliance I preferred the human |
| 08:03.21 | nevcairiel | nelfs have the best tank racials |
| 08:03.34 | nevcairiel | on alliance |
| 08:03.36 | zenzio | 1% dodge, and what else? |
| 08:03.38 | Jerub | druids lose out on racials. |
| 08:03.42 | Fisker | hey zenzio |
| 08:03.52 | zenzio | I take Every Man For Himself over that dodge any day |
| 08:03.59 | Fisker | what does your scouter say about my powerlevel? |
| 08:04.12 | nevcairiel | every man for himself isnt that useful |
| 08:04.12 | zenzio | I have no scouter |
| 08:04.15 | nevcairiel | in pve |
| 08:04.25 | nevcairiel | and humans are fugly |
| 08:04.29 | nevcairiel | i never had a human char |
| 08:04.34 | zenzio | I used it plenty of times when I was tanking |
| 08:04.54 | zenzio | besides, as a tank you don't have to worry about what your race looks like, it's all hidden under 1000 kg of armor |
| 08:05.06 | nevcairiel | and when questing or farming, shadowmeld just saves alot of time :D |
| 08:05.09 | Fisker | Then you are worthless zenzio |
| 08:06.12 | Fisker | you are nothing more than a traitor! |
| 08:06.24 | ZorbaGama | I wonder what they're going to do with racials in cataclysm. they say they're going to buff 'em again but this seems like a bad idea to me, there's a reason they were nerfed in the first place |
| 08:07.07 | Fisker | "nerfed" |
| 08:07.21 | ZorbaGama | nerfed, reduced, rebalanced, whatever you want to call it |
| 08:07.24 | ZorbaGama | "made less powerful" |
| 08:07.29 | Fisker | only ones that's been nerfed are those in pvp |
| 08:07.29 | smcn | ZorbaGama: i doubt it's going to be straight buffs. their intent is to make them fun/interesting/useful like the goblin & worgen ones |
| 08:07.40 | Fisker | and that's like what, one ability that has been an actual nerf? |
| 08:07.45 | smcn | i'm certain they're more or less going to be redesigned completely |
| 08:07.48 | ZorbaGama | smcn, yeah, it does seem to be a really thorough across-the-board change they're trying |
| 08:07.51 | Fisker | the human one is a buff whil being a nerf |
| 08:07.53 | Dagmar | Dwarf stoneform racial will merely make you immune to slight head colds |
| 08:07.54 | ZorbaGama | I really have no idea how they'll pull off making every single talent interesting |
| 08:08.04 | Jerub | taurens have a great tanking racial, the war stomp stun thing. |
| 08:08.07 | ZorbaGama | dagmar, shadowmeld will make you slightly more difficult to see |
| 08:08.10 | Jerub | but most tauren tanks are droods. |
| 08:08.17 | Dagmar | Zorba: Isn't that what it does now? |
| 08:08.18 | Jerub | i've literally used it twice |
| 08:08.25 | Jerub | when i was trying to figure out what buttons did and stuff |
| 08:08.31 | ZorbaGama | it's actually kind of like Vanish right now, it's pretty badass |
| 08:09.01 | nevcairiel | its more like fade |
| 08:09.08 | nevcairiel | it doesnt reset your threat |
| 08:09.16 | nevcairiel | it just temporarily removes it |
| 08:09.46 | nevcairiel | but you get it back |
| 08:09.52 | nevcairiel | unless the mob went out of combat |
| 08:10.02 | Dagmar | Unlike Feign Death, which merely dumps threat and waits for the healer to come stand next to you while they die from AoE |
| 08:10.15 | Dagmar | ...taking you with them. |
| 08:10.17 | Fisker | vanish dumps threat as well wtf are you talking about? |
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| 08:10.43 | nevcairiel | I love doing that to hunters, lazy bastards just going to sleep on the ground there |
| 08:11.01 | ZorbaGama | what I'm getting at is that it's an instant take-me-out-of-combat button. great for ressing after wipes |
| 08:11.11 | ZorbaGama | or for just avoiding getting smacked by the boss |
| 08:11.20 | nevcairiel | that barely works in raids |
| 08:11.31 | nevcairiel | have to be the last player alive for it to properly work |
| 08:11.37 | Fisker | nah |
| 08:11.50 | ZorbaGama | pretty sure you can just stay in shadowmeld until everyone else is dead |
| 08:11.54 | ZorbaGama | (screw you guys, I'm invisible!) |
| 08:11.59 | Fisker | you pretty much can |
| 08:12.06 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Frankly I think they should fix it so we're ignored by AoE while feigned |
| 08:12.10 | Fisker | you don't even have to be in stealth |
| 08:12.19 | theorbtwo | Problem with shadowmeld is that you can't move. |
| 08:12.20 | Dagmar | It's damn useless in PvP |
| 08:12.28 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: yeah so hunters can just feign through boss aoe attacks? right! |
| 08:12.34 | zenzio | my guild at the time had real issues with people trying to run and FD when we were wiping on Thaddius... always caused double-wipe |
| 08:12.45 | Dagmar | nevcariel: We have Deterrence for that, thanks |
| 08:13.04 | Fisker | i remember the best discussion we had in our guild |
| 08:13.05 | Dagmar | I wouldn't even care if they were on the same timer if it would make it not be useless half the time |
| 08:13.22 | Fisker | Some people were whining about other people who only used elixirs instead of flasks which were "cheaper" |
| 08:13.29 | Dagmar | Perhaps maybe not immune to the boss's usual "hits ya in Alpha Centauri" AoE |
| 08:13.33 | airtonix | ZorbaGama, unless its changed, shadowmeld wont save you if you are on the mobs threat table |
| 08:13.33 | Fisker | even though elixir combos were there best buff |
| 08:13.35 | theorbtwo | You shadowmeld. Everybody else dies... now you are surrounded completely, and cannot move without drawing the eyes of about ten million pissed off monsters. |
| 08:13.36 | nevcairiel | every class has spells that are useless in pvp, stop qqing about FD :P |
| 08:13.41 | Fisker | the funny thing was that this guy was a hunter |
| 08:13.55 | zenzio | nevcairiel: nonsense, Diplomacy OWNS PvP |
| 08:14.06 | Fisker | So i just replied "I think it's unfair that hunters get to save money by using FD, you guys should die with us so you also pay for repair costs" |
| 08:14.11 | Fisker | needless to say he was pissed :P |
| 08:14.18 | nevcairiel | zenzio: wait, what? :P |
| 08:14.29 | zenzio | :-p |
| 08:15.49 | Fisker | i'm going to obliterate this heroic i get into |
| 08:16.18 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Fiskerdin |
| 08:16.31 | ZorbaGama | haha, wow, there's a trick I hadn't thought of |
| 08:16.34 | ZorbaGama | "I've played a raiding moonkin for a while and this for me looks like a very good way to get out of combat during a boss fight in order to restart your mana potion cooldown (which now does not start cooling down until you get out of combat)." |
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| 08:16.48 | nevcairiel | that doesnt work |
| 08:16.54 | nevcairiel | you dont get ooc in raid combat |
| 08:17.11 | ZorbaGama | that's a pity :( |
| 08:17.45 | Fisker | i hit a mob so hard it became out of sync from the server |
| 08:17.48 | Dagmar | Annoying since I can't feign and drink anymore |
| 08:18.22 | Dagmar | But thanks to there being mobs with mana around more than twice an instance now, it's generally no longer a dire issue |
| 08:18.38 | airtonix | i've seen so many smart arse night elves turned to paste thinking they can survivve a wipe with shadowmeld...its the lulz |
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| 08:19.14 | airtonix | "why is our tank running for the door" |
| 08:19.19 | airtonix | lulz |
| 08:19.57 | theorbtwo | shadowmeld / feign death can save you in very limited situations, but not most of the time, I think. |
| 08:20.09 | nevcairiel | you need to be lucky |
| 08:20.22 | airtonix | supermutant1 : argh! wounded! |
| 08:20.24 | theorbtwo | You need to be outside the normal position of the mob. |
| 08:20.37 | nevcairiel | that, too |
| 08:20.40 | airtonix | supermutant2: you dumb, i no talk to you |
| 08:21.01 | airtonix | nightelf: <shadowmeld> |
| 08:21.17 | airtonix | supermutant1: hah! found you! now try to hide from THIS! |
| 08:22.17 | theorbtwo | Ah, yes. You also need the mob to be low enough level / low enough stats for it to *actually work*. |
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| 08:40.03 | ZorbaGama | Average Wait Time: 36 Min |
| 08:40.04 | ZorbaGama | fffff |
| 08:41.37 | theorbtwo | ZorbaGama: Better then when it says "5 minutes", and really means "forever". |
| 08:41.53 | ZorbaGama | well, I've been in the queue for like ten minutes so far, and it's still just one DPS in my "party" |
| 08:42.05 | ZorbaGama | so who knows what it actually means |
| 08:42.05 | nevcairiel | what role are you? |
| 08:42.10 | ZorbaGama | nev, DPS. :( |
| 08:42.13 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 08:42.13 | ZorbaGama | (it's my warlock) |
| 08:42.28 | theorbtwo | ZorbaGama: Of course, that *should* happen less now; that's what multirealm battlegroups were added to fix. |
| 08:42.59 | ZorbaGama | theorb, well, level 49 bracket, 1am on a Friday, low-population server of the worst battleground in the game, queueing as DPS |
| 08:43.04 | ZorbaGama | it doesn't get a lot worse than this |
| 08:43.12 | ZorbaGama | er, low-population faction |
| 08:43.26 | Torhal | Sure it does - power supply failure just as your group is formed. |
| 08:43.28 | Torhal | :D |
| 08:43.40 | ZorbaGama | I had an awesome time yesterday |
| 08:43.45 | ZorbaGama | join LFD group, wait 15 minutes |
| 08:43.57 | ZorbaGama | get up to refill my water, come back, "you have been removed from the queue because you were AFK" |
| 08:44.03 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 08:44.06 | ZorbaGama | rejoin, wait another 15 minutes |
| 08:44.14 | ZorbaGama | water a plant, come back, "you have been removed from the queue because you were AFK" |
| 08:44.42 | nevcairiel | just another reason i'm happy to not play a single dps charactetr |
| 08:44.46 | nevcairiel | -t |
| 08:45.21 | nevcairiel | i have a lock on 70, but i never really enjoyed him |
| 08:46.43 | ZorbaGama | yeah, I'm leveling up some pure DPS classes mostly because I'm interested in the play styles |
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| 08:47.42 | nevcairiel | i need to finish leveling my warrior |
| 08:47.49 | ZorbaGama | but considering how tired I am of questing, it can take a while to get into LFD groups |
| 08:51.02 | olafski | sucks doesn't it zorbagama :( I have a lvl 71 rogue and lvl 72 druid |
| 08:51.07 | olafski | ehh.. s/druid/warlock/ |
| 08:51.18 | olafski | last night I decided to do a dungeon with the rogue, spent 55 minutes in the queue |
| 08:52.26 | olafski | < theorbtwo> ZorbaGama: Of course, that *should* happen less now; that's what multirealm battlegroups were added to fix. <-- why would it happen less? both tanks/healers and dps from the other realms were added :P |
| 08:53.13 | theorbtwo | olafski: Because what I was talking about, wrong queue times, happen when there aren't enough people in the queue, *and nobody is coming on*. |
| 08:53.14 | nevcairiel | a bigger playerbase will still shorten the wait times |
| 08:53.21 | olafski | ah. okay :) |
| 08:53.21 | nevcairiel | independant of ratio |
| 08:53.27 | olafski | how do you figure nevcairiel? |
| 08:53.56 | olafski | and that's assuming the ratio didn't actually get worse because of the LFD system, which I still think it did |
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| 08:54.32 | DWSR | Antiarc |
| 08:58.40 | olafski | hm actually maybe I need to revise that.. if I as a tank or healer look for a group without using the LFD system (which I usually do) I'm also taking 4 other people out of the 'pool' |
| 08:58.50 | ZorbaGama | haha, just got boots with stamina, intellect, and stamina |
| 08:58.52 | olafski | so I guess that doesn't change the ratio much |
| 08:59.06 | olafski | yeah that happens sometimes :> |
| 08:59.09 | zenzio | more like 3 other people |
| 08:59.12 | Adys | ZorbaGama: random properties? |
| 08:59.13 | zenzio | you still need a tank or healer |
| 08:59.30 | ZorbaGama | adys, yeah |
| 08:59.31 | olafski | zenzio: don't groups consist of 4 people? if I make a full group I'm taking 4 others out of the pool |
| 08:59.43 | olafski | random boots of the eagle, where random boots already had stamina I guess :) |
| 08:59.54 | Adys | ya likely the case |
| 08:59.58 | Adys | whats their name? |
| 09:00.03 | zenzio | olafski: tanks and healers are the one who have it easy, it's the three DPSers you're helping |
| 09:00.35 | olafski | zenzio: yes, but over all I'm still taking 4 people from the pool.. so a full party has been removed from the potential people the LFD system could use and as such it hasn't changed much |
| 09:00.48 | ZorbaGama | atal'ai boots of the eagle |
| 09:01.00 | zenzio | olafski: I still don't see it that way |
| 09:01.05 | olafski | that's okay |
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| 09:09.46 | Fisker | HEY |
| 09:09.46 | Fisker | CIDE |
| 09:10.11 | Cide | hi |
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| 09:29.20 | zenzio | http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt243/bashiok/CMTeam.jpg -- that redhead in the front could moderate me any day |
| 09:29.39 | Cairenn | :) |
| 09:29.46 | Cairenn | she is rather hot |
| 09:31.39 | Kaso | they have life sized gryphon/wind rider plushies?! |
| 09:31.46 | zenzio | yeah :( |
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| 09:53.54 | DWSR | !api SetPoint |
| 09:53.59 | lua_bot | Region:SetPoint: Sets an anchor point for the region (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/SetPoint) |
| 09:56.08 | ZorbaTHut | there is no situation where my warlock should be competing with a rogue for gear :( |
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| 09:57.29 | DWSR | !api SetParent |
| 09:57.29 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'SetParent': Region:SetParent, ControlPoint:SetParent, Animation:SetParent |
| 09:57.37 | DWSR | !api Region:SetParent |
| 09:57.39 | lua_bot | Region:SetParent: Makes another frame the parent of this region (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/SetParent) |
| 09:57.47 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Except for disenchant? |
| 09:57.55 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, trust me, this wasn't that |
| 09:59.24 | Kalroth | doesn't trust Zorba. |
| 09:59.53 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=10829 |
| 10:00.26 | Kalroth | evidence smevidence |
| 10:02.19 | DWSR | !api ClearAllPoints |
| 10:02.19 | lua_bot | Region:ClearAllPoints: Removes all anchor points from the region (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/ClearAllPoints) |
| 10:04.16 | DWSR | How can I emulate [nopet] in Lua? |
| 10:04.25 | DWSR | !api PetUI |
| 10:04.25 | lua_bot | HasPetUI: Returns whether the pet UI should be displayed for the player's pet (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/HasPetUI) |
| 10:04.37 | DWSR | That? |
| 10:10.36 | Kaso | UnitExists("playerpet") as well i guess/ |
| 10:11.16 | Kaso | or is it just UnitExists"pet" i cant remeber |
| 10:11.31 | Arrowmaster | both should work |
| 10:11.36 | Arrowmaster | but just pet is preferred |
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| 10:22.13 | DWSR | Meh. |
| 10:22.23 | DWSR | I figured out an alternate solution that probably works better anyway. |
| 10:22.31 | DWSR | HookScript ftw. |
| 10:22.34 | DWSR | Needs moar. |
| 10:22.47 | DWSR | I feel like I'm gluing my interface together using kgpanels. |
| 10:23.20 | zenzio | I am amused when someone uses Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age: Origins as examples of good "console to PC ports". Those games were co-developed for both platforms, not ported |
| 10:23.39 | DWSR | Are the StaticPopupX frames all anchored to each other? |
| 10:23.51 | DWSR | i.e., if I move StaticPopup1, will the others all move as well? |
| 10:26.04 | DWSR | zenzio: Console gamers should all be shot anyway. :P |
| 10:26.13 | zenzio | by and large |
| 10:26.34 | DWSR | there are very few games that I wish I had on console that I own on PC |
| 10:26.44 | DWSR | Racing games making the majority of them. |
| 10:27.09 | zenzio | yeah, though some games (like Assassin's Creed) actually feel more natural on my Xbox |
| 10:27.24 | zenzio | though I suspect that's just because that was their primary platform, so they didn't adjust it much for the PC |
| 10:29.06 | Arrowmaster | there is no such thing as a good 'console to PC port', either like you said they were co developed at the same time or the pc port just fucking sucks |
| 10:29.17 | zenzio | agreed |
| 10:29.56 | amro | Arrowmaster: there are exceptions, like Fable |
| 10:30.02 | Arrowmaster | and most the time when they are co developed, the console version does end up feeling more natural |
| 10:30.07 | amro | the PC port was done later and wasn't bad |
| 10:30.17 | amro | but since it was an xbox game there wasn't much to port |
| 10:30.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah xbox games were easy to port to pc |
| 10:31.20 | Arrowmaster | 360 and ps3 are different, but ps3 is by far the hardest to work with |
| 10:31.39 | amro | 360 is a PC |
| 10:31.53 | Arrowmaster | 360 uses powerpc processors |
| 10:32.10 | amro | see? power PC ;) |
| 10:32.23 | amro | but what I mean is that the APIs are pretty close to windows |
| 10:32.34 | Arrowmaster | directx yeah |
| 10:33.03 | olafski | shouldn't apple release a console sometime? |
| 10:33.08 | amro | no no no |
| 10:33.12 | amro | for the love of god no |
| 10:33.19 | Arrowmaster | they already have |
| 10:33.21 | olafski | maybe buy the wii off of nintendo instead |
| 10:33.25 | amro | yes, the iPhone is enough |
| 10:33.31 | amro | why would they buy the wii? |
| 10:33.37 | olafski | it's white, shiny and stupid |
| 10:33.40 | amro | more importantly why would nintendo sell it? |
| 10:33.47 | amro | ah, a wii hater =/ |
| 10:33.49 | theorbtwo | The wii is very appleish, and makes a mint. |
| 10:33.51 | olafski | yeah I doubt nintendo would sell it.. but it looks like an apple product :P |
| 10:34.11 | olafski | not necessarily a wii hater.. I just don't like it :P |
| 10:34.14 | amro | not really, it has too many buttons and ports to be an apple product |
| 10:34.15 | theorbtwo | Yeah, they'd have to buy out nintendo completely, and I just don't see that happening. |
| 10:34.24 | Arrowmaster | it wouldnt look like an apple product until its Wii HD |
| 10:34.24 | zenzio | I still don't get the Wii. Other than the weird motion/pressure controls, there's little interesting about it |
| 10:34.33 | olafski | what zenzio said |
| 10:34.35 | zenzio | the resolution on it is what, 640xsomething? |
| 10:34.40 | olafski | and even the motion controls aren't interesting in my opinion |
| 10:34.44 | olafski | they feel gimicky |
| 10:34.49 | DWSR | olafski: They are. |
| 10:34.52 | amro | the problem is that you're assuming you should only ever get one console |
| 10:35.04 | DWSR | olafski: It's not interesting, particularly. |
| 10:35.06 | olafski | I've played a couple of times.. if you invent a controller like that you better be sure it works intuitively |
| 10:35.10 | DWSR | olafski: It's casual gaming. |
| 10:35.10 | olafski | but it doesn't |
| 10:35.11 | amro | wii's target market is different from 360/ps3 |
| 10:35.17 | olafski | I don't mind casual gaming |
| 10:35.20 | DWSR | olafski: It does if you get the attachment. |
| 10:35.30 | olafski | well they should've released it with that built in |
| 10:35.42 | olafski | the controls are so inaccurate without it.. |
| 10:35.43 | amro | olafski: there are a gajillion shitty games for the wii that fail at using the controller right |
| 10:35.54 | olafski | amro: I tried wii sports and.. something else I forgot :P |
| 10:36.02 | amro | just like there are a gajillion shitty games for the DS that fail at using the touch screen |
| 10:36.03 | olafski | the new mario game was alright but that doesn't really use motion controls |
| 10:36.04 | Arrowmaster | they should of also released it with a better wrist strap but we all know how that worked out |
| 10:36.17 | amro | olafski: no, and that's exactly the point |
| 10:36.30 | DWSR | olafski: The controller is sort of neat in that you can use it in a few different ways. |
| 10:36.32 | olafski | except for "generic wiggling" :) |
| 10:36.35 | amro | nintendo is probably the only developer that releases games that don't abuse the fuck out of ds touch screen/wii motion control |
| 10:36.44 | DWSR | ^ this times a million |
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| 10:37.11 | olafski | "you died, now you have to wiggle your controller to come to life again" .. why not just press a button instead |
| 10:37.18 | amro | haha, yeah |
| 10:37.21 | Arrowmaster | im tempted to get that DSi XL |
| 10:37.23 | theorbtwo | The wii is also horribly inaccessable for something that is meant to be a more inclusive version of gaming. |
| 10:37.27 | amro | but that's developers failing, rather than the console |
| 10:37.50 | DWSR | olafski: Actually, it's useful to not have to press a button |
| 10:37.50 | olafski | sure amro .. but other than for shooting games I really don't see the point of motion controls, it doesn't really make things more fun imo |
| 10:37.51 | amro | theorbtwo: inclusive as in tastes, not ability |
| 10:37.55 | DWSR | olafski: Because it makes it harder to do accidentally. |
| 10:38.11 | olafski | dwsr: yeah that's another thing.. pressing "A" in the new mario was way too easy to do accidentally imo :P |
| 10:38.12 | amro | olafski: read what I said above, not all games need to use it |
| 10:38.32 | nevcairiel | all the sports game would be absolutely no fun without motion control |
| 10:38.43 | olafski | they're no fun with motion control either |
| 10:38.44 | theorbtwo | Mario Kart is the only game I can really think of, frankly, that makes *great* use of the accelerometer. |
| 10:38.52 | amro | olafski: that's subjective |
| 10:38.54 | nevcairiel | you're probably just too lazy to move :P |
| 10:38.58 | Arrowmaster | like not all games need to use the sixaxis for the ps3 |
| 10:38.59 | olafski | indeed it is amro :P |
| 10:39.08 | olafski | I tried wii golf and tried to do actual swings and such |
| 10:39.09 | Arrowmaster | a lot of them are just fucking bad when they try to use it |
| 10:39.09 | theorbtwo | Wii sports, the original one, isn't always bad, either. |
| 10:39.18 | olafski | (wii sports golf) |
| 10:39.25 | olafski | but as I said the controls are too inaccurate to do even that |
| 10:39.29 | nevcairiel | golf is a boring game as it is |
| 10:39.39 | theorbtwo | olafski: Hm. It took a little getting used to, but not terribly much, for me. |
| 10:39.46 | olafski | be that as it may, if the ball is 10cm from the hole I would have expected a really tiny wiggle would move it |
| 10:39.58 | theorbtwo | ...that might be because I haven't actually golfed, though. |
| 10:40.00 | olafski | but that really tiny wiggle wasn't recognised as such.. so I moved it a bit more, and a bit more, until it just overshot the hole by a meter |
| 10:40.17 | nevcairiel | maybe your controller had battery issues |
| 10:40.23 | amro | maybe you just suck |
| 10:40.26 | nevcairiel | or that |
| 10:40.31 | olafski | battery issues make it recognise large movements but not small ones? |
| 10:40.33 | amro | you can't make a claim that the controller is bad from just one of your experiences :) |
| 10:40.33 | theorbtwo | No, I had that experince too... and then I learned how to work it. |
| 10:40.38 | amro | you need a large sample |
| 10:40.42 | nevcairiel | olafski: yeah it gets inaccurate when the battery is low |
| 10:40.48 | olafski | amro: I played the wii for a couple of hours :P |
| 10:41.00 | theorbtwo | olafski: Swing with your whole arm. |
| 10:41.00 | olafski | that's more than enough sample for me to decide never to touch one again |
| 10:41.02 | amro | olafski: that's not nearly enough to pass judgment =) |
| 10:41.14 | amro | wow, that's pretty bad olafski |
| 10:41.14 | olafski | theorbtwo: as I said I tried to do proper golf swings.. so yes, whole arm |
| 10:41.19 | amro | you do know that consoles are defined by their games right? |
| 10:41.42 | olafski | I know enough to know I don't like the wii ;) |
| 10:41.50 | amro | *sigh* |
| 10:41.57 | nevcairiel | good for nintendo that millions others do like it ;) |
| 10:42.09 | amro | I don't like the WII, I like the games that are on the wii |
| 10:42.13 | amro | liking or disliking a console doesn't make sense |
| 10:42.14 | olafski | I played it last christmas because we were on holiday in germany and had a wii with us.. but given an alternative I'll play my 360 or even a pc |
| 10:42.31 | nevcairiel | a wii is nothing you sit in front of alone and play |
| 10:42.33 | nevcairiel | its a party toy |
| 10:42.40 | theorbtwo | I'll agree that launching with dual accels would have been better. OTOH, at launch, I don't think I'd have wanted to pay half again as much for a controller. |
| 10:42.47 | olafski | yes.. we played it with 2-4 people (new mario game) at christmas |
| 10:42.56 | amro | which mario game? |
| 10:42.57 | nevcairiel | it just doesnt compare to other consoles or pcs |
| 10:42.59 | olafski | that was kinda fun but I still much prefer a 360 |
| 10:43.00 | amro | New SMB Wii? |
| 10:43.01 | DWSR | Is there a way to find out what frame another frame is anchored to? |
| 10:43.05 | DWSR | !api Point |
| 10:43.05 | lua_bot | Found 31 possible matches for 'Point'. Please be more specific |
| 10:43.07 | olafski | amro: dunno what it's called.. the 4 player thing with the bubbles |
| 10:43.20 | theorbtwo | New Super Mario Brothers Wii? |
| 10:43.27 | olafski | I guess that's it :P |
| 10:43.32 | olafski | the one where you can jump on top of eachother |
| 10:43.38 | amro | olafski: again, you can only pass judgment on games that you actually played, you're not making any sense when you say you don't like the wii |
| 10:43.40 | olafski | and throw eachother into holes |
| 10:43.48 | amro | you can only say you like/dislike a console if you're developing for it |
| 10:43.49 | DWSR | olafski: Yes. |
| 10:43.50 | olafski | you've made your point amro |
| 10:43.54 | DWSR | Super Mario Brothers Wii |
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| 10:44.05 | theorbtwo | I haven't played it, but it's the only wii game I've heard of in a while that I actually want to play. |
| 10:44.09 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: ftw =) |
| 10:44.14 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Muchly. |
| 10:44.17 | DWSR | theorbtwo: Indeed. |
| 10:44.20 | jnwhiteh | its awesome |
| 10:44.27 | olafski | I'm not sure what to think of it |
| 10:44.35 | olafski | it certainly got us excited |
| 10:44.44 | olafski | with 2 people it was fun, with 4 it was mostly cursing at eachother |
| 10:44.48 | jnwhiteh | 4 player is so much fun |
| 10:44.51 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:44.52 | olafski | which is also kind of fun :P |
| 10:45.00 | jnwhiteh | the cursing is part of the fun =) |
| 10:45.23 | olafski | and eventually we'd just jump past a part and once one person made it the rest just floated to him |
| 10:45.45 | theorbtwo | OK, now I *really* want to play it. |
| 10:45.48 | olafski | :) |
| 10:45.50 | olafski | go for it |
| 10:46.02 | olafski | I guess as with many console games a couple of beers might help too |
| 10:46.26 | theorbtwo | Maybe, maybe not. |
| 10:46.45 | theorbtwo | Would be playing it with the GF, probably, and she doesn't drink, and I feel wierd drinking alone. |
| 10:46.53 | olafski | understandably |
| 10:47.07 | olafski | I have my console mainly for splitscreen (or other local gaming).. I find many games increase in fun when you drink a bit :$ |
| 10:47.15 | olafski | though most games are still fun without it |
| 10:47.51 | olafski | lego indiana jones was great to play with the gf |
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| 10:48.45 | DWSR | Is there a way to call a frame's OnShow() handler without actually showing the frame? |
| 10:48.54 | DWSR | frame:OnShow()? |
| 10:49.17 | Gotai | frame:GetScript("OnShow")(frame) |
| 10:49.57 | DWSR | What's the extra (frame) for? |
| 10:50.29 | olafski | passes the frame to its OnShow method(?) |
| 10:50.57 | DWSR | I'm writing this in the OnShow handler of another script. |
| 10:51.15 | DWSR | Hold on, second. |
| 10:51.18 | DWSR | is tired. |
| 10:51.29 | amro | it passes the "self" argument |
| 10:51.38 | DWSR | ah |
| 10:52.04 | DWSR | Thanks. :) |
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| 11:14.03 | DWSR | Christ, it's 6:15am and I'm on IRC. |
| 11:14.10 | DWSR | Self-respecting people would be asleep. |
| 11:14.20 | airtonix | self respecting people do alot of things |
| 11:14.30 | DWSR | Self respect is overrated.\ |
| 11:14.37 | olafski | self respecting people are often delusional |
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| 11:15.37 | DWSR | Truth |
| 11:16.03 | DWSR | wow. |
| 11:16.07 | DWSR | kgpanels is a ton of win |
| 11:16.13 | DWSR | has been redoing his UI for the past 3 hours |
| 11:16.55 | olafski | read a nice article about how incompetent people generally can't recognise their own incompetence and see their truths as absolute while more competent people tend to doubt themselves, resulting in the incompetent ones being "right" more often than they deserve |
| 11:17.08 | DWSR | olafski: Link, I need some cheering up |
| 11:17.48 | DWSR | Also, epic trance is epic. |
| 11:17.58 | olafski | let me search a bit :) |
| 11:18.30 | olafski | there we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect |
| 11:19.32 | Grum | DWSR: got a link to epic trance? :( |
| 11:19.52 | DWSR | Grum: Unfortunately not. It's a recording of the global DJ broadcast. |
| 11:19.55 | DWSR | I could upload. |
| 11:20.02 | DWSR | Here, I will, second. |
| 11:20.04 | Grum | oe :D |
| 11:20.18 | zenzio | *AoE |
| 11:20.26 | zenzio | though that's a weird thing to call a broadcast |
| 11:21.15 | DWSR | zenzio: I believe he meant oe as in oh. |
| 11:21.32 | Grum | yeah :D |
| 11:21.33 | zenzio | I know, I was making a game joke |
| 11:21.37 | Grum | :( |
| 11:21.46 | DWSR | ~epic fail zenzio |
| 11:21.47 | purl | zenzio, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you zenzio, you are that epic failure. |
| 11:22.08 | zenzio | just because you didn't get it doesn't mean it's a fail |
| 11:23.09 | Arrowmaster | olafski: nice link but i find one part funny |
| 11:23.18 | Arrowmaster | 'competent individuals falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding' |
| 11:23.44 | Arrowmaster | who here assumes everybody else is a fucking retard until proven otherwise? |
| 11:24.09 | zenzio | raises a hand |
| 11:24.42 | Cairenn | I usually think everyone is nice, until proven otherwise, does that count? |
| 11:24.43 | Grum | Arrowmaster: thas a fact :D |
| 11:24.45 | Grum | +t :( |
| 11:24.53 | DWSR | raises a hand |
| 11:25.06 | Grum | i guess that is also the reason why we sit on irc, and not in a bar ;D |
| 11:25.11 | zenzio | Cairenn: that's fine, that doesn't imply anything about level of ignorance |
| 11:25.16 | DWSR | In fact, sometimes I assume you're a retard even after you've proven otherwise! |
| 11:25.19 | Grum | besides smelling like an ashtray |
| 11:25.35 | zenzio | Grum: you smell like an ashtray? |
| 11:25.40 | DWSR | Grum: http://www.sendspace.com/file/mkmwgd |
| 11:25.50 | Grum | zenzio: whenever you've been in or near a bar ... yeah :( |
| 11:25.55 | Grum | DWSR: :D:D |
| 11:26.02 | zenzio | stop trying to dodge my jokes |
| 11:26.11 | DWSR | lol |
| 11:26.13 | Grum | zenzio: what did you want me to say? |
| 11:26.40 | olafski | arrowmaster: yeah that struck me as odd too |
| 11:26.41 | zenzio | most of the time I expect nothing but silence |
| 11:27.00 | Arrowmaster | well that study was done in 1999-2000, i wonder if the results would be much different now considering how much general stupidity is highlighted on the web |
| 11:27.01 | Grum | zenzio: no i dont smell like an ashtray (probably the default answer) |
| 11:27.03 | olafski | I don't generally assume that everybody is of the same competence as me.. I can recognise greater competence and I can definitely recognise lesser :P |
| 11:27.19 | Grum | i get annoyed by lesser :( |
| 11:27.38 | zenzio | Grum: are you new around here or am I just not remembering your nick? |
| 11:27.48 | Grum | people standing inline at a shopping counter and then when its their turn having to dig in their bags for a good 5 minutes for their wallet .... |
| 11:28.03 | Grum | zenzio: i've been idling here for a good long time :) |
| 11:28.30 | olafski | yeah I hate that too grum |
| 11:28.35 | olafski | even if it's just 10 seconds |
| 11:28.36 | zenzio | hm, odd. Then you should know that most of what I say is an utter and often illogical twisting of words in order to change their meaning |
| 11:28.39 | olafski | I mean why not be efficient about it? |
| 11:28.40 | zenzio | =) |
| 11:29.06 | Grum | or people trying to get money from an ATM and taking more than 45 seconds ... reading the whole menu, or well, lets make a phonecall when people are standing in line behind you! |
| 11:29.14 | olafski | the machine clearly says "you can use your PIN before the cassier is done" yet people wait for them to <bleep> all their items, look at the price, THEN decide to pay with pIN |
| 11:29.18 | Grum | olafski: yeah ... i cringe badly at those moments ;D |
| 11:29.29 | Grum | olafski: oh yeah .... grrrr |
| 11:29.34 | Grum | i'm tempted to kill those people :) |
| 11:29.34 | olafski | some stores here have a policy that you can't pay with PIN if it's less than 5 euro or so |
| 11:29.43 | amro | is there a way to figure out what bnet account a wow account is tied to? |
| 11:29.47 | olafski | but if you have a full basket of stuff I'm sure you could have expected it was much more than 5 euro |
| 11:29.51 | Grum | amro: no |
| 11:30.02 | ZorbaTHut | it's funny, healers seem to be in shortest supply when leveling, but tanks are in shortest supply at 80 |
| 11:30.15 | Grum | ZorbaTHut: but that makes perfect sense |
| 11:30.15 | olafski | zorbathut: really? what level are you at? |
| 11:30.18 | Grum | you cant heal mobs to death |
| 11:30.30 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, level 40, 50, and 65, on three different characters |
| 11:30.33 | olafski | hmm |
| 11:30.41 | nevcairiel | but in boomkin spec or elemental spec you can heal a dungeon |
| 11:30.46 | ZorbaTHut | grum, but you can heal just fine in (name a non-heal spec here) |
| 11:30.50 | nevcairiel | most people probably wont, though |
| 11:30.50 | olafski | queueing as a lvl 63 healer I still have to wait several minutes usually |
| 11:30.59 | ZorbaTHut | huh, maybe it's a server artifact |
| 11:31.09 | DWSR | olafski: EU? |
| 11:31.11 | olafski | yes |
| 11:31.11 | zenzio | maybe it's more that people don't want to learn healing until they're near max level |
| 11:31.15 | DWSR | ah, heh |
| 11:31.18 | DWSR | It's only noonish |
| 11:31.23 | ZorbaTHut | I had a totally awesome idea: allow people to pay money to skip the LFD queue |
| 11:31.24 | DWSR | Primetime's probably better |
| 11:31.25 | olafski | dwsr: no I do that at night :) |
| 11:31.31 | ZorbaTHut | whoever's paid the most gets the highest queue position |
| 11:31.34 | olafski | that sounds good zorbathut |
| 11:31.38 | olafski | good way to get rid of some gold :) |
| 11:31.39 | ZorbaTHut | then, whichever role takes the longest to fill, gets all the money that was paid |
| 11:31.43 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: "what... we're five DPSers? This isn't what I paid for!" |
| 11:31.44 | olafski | oh |
| 11:31.53 | ZorbaTHut | (or half the money, if you want to use it as a gold sink) |
| 11:32.05 | olafski | that would certainly make tanking a bit more popular ;) |
| 11:32.07 | ZorbaTHut | encourages people to tank/heal :D |
| 11:32.14 | nevcairiel | They should give me more gold as a healer or tank for putting 3 dps'ers out of their misery of waiting |
| 11:32.20 | olafski | could be though zenzio.. I like learning how to heal before I go to heroics though |
| 11:32.23 | amro | it's mostly tanks that are impossible to find at lower levels |
| 11:32.33 | ZorbaTHut | amro, I dunno, I always see "tank" filled first |
| 11:32.35 | amro | and past 60 you get horrible dk tanks without a clue |
| 11:32.36 | zenzio | olafski: I would prefer to learn it early too, it's just a theory |
| 11:32.38 | olafski | amro: yeah.. until you reach lvl 58 ;) |
| 11:32.46 | ZorbaTHut | I mean I'm sitting in a queue at 65 on my DK, presumably tanking, waiting for a healer |
| 11:33.15 | nevcairiel | people dont level healers |
| 11:33.18 | nevcairiel | leveling tank is fine |
| 11:33.23 | nevcairiel | warrior in tank spec is even fun |
| 11:33.27 | olafski | yeah it is |
| 11:33.39 | zenzio | hm... I wonder how leveling (warrior) prot spec from level 10 is these days |
| 11:33.39 | olafski | I am leveling my shaman as a healer though.. with these queue times, why bother soloing anyway |
| 11:33.50 | amro | I got dual spec on my shammy at 40 |
| 11:33.51 | olafski | zenzio: probably boring as hell until lvl 15 ;) |
| 11:34.08 | zenzio | even a little longer I expect |
| 11:34.18 | zenzio | the fun stuff only comes higher up the trees |
| 11:34.25 | olafski | had a DK in underbog the other day.. he couldn't tank for shit, left during a big pull so we wiped.. then we got a paladin who had 30/320 in his sword skill :< |
| 11:34.25 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, I hear it's not bad at all |
| 11:34.29 | ZorbaTHut | you're basically invincible |
| 11:34.43 | olafski | zenzio: sure but from lvl 15 you can use the LFD tool so it at least goes faster |
| 11:34.43 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: yeah, I'm thinking it might actually not be so bad anymore |
| 11:34.43 | nevcairiel | yeah but all you can do is heroic strike everyone |
| 11:34.56 | olafski | nevcairiel: HS, sunder and thunder clap |
| 11:34.57 | nevcairiel | so you basically auto-attack your way through levels |
| 11:35.05 | ZorbaTHut | nev, sure, but you can also *never die* |
| 11:35.13 | ZorbaTHut | and you can pull four guys at once and win |
| 11:35.38 | nevcairiel | prot only starts to be fun when you get shield bash and devastate |
| 11:35.41 | olafski | wish there were more than 10 character slots per server.. I wouldn't mind rolling a second paladin or warrior now with the LFD thing :) |
| 11:35.49 | olafski | shield slam presumably |
| 11:35.55 | nevcairiel | er yeah, slam |
| 11:36.23 | nevcairiel | on that note, warbringer is awesome fun while leveling |
| 11:36.27 | nevcairiel | don't have to walk between enemys :D |
| 11:36.31 | olafski | :) |
| 11:36.39 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, I hope they increase the character count when they add their next class |
| 11:36.48 | olafski | or just in cataclysm |
| 11:36.51 | ZorbaTHut | I strongly believe Warbringer is the most totally awesome talent in the game |
| 11:36.52 | nevcairiel | 10 chars perfectly fits on the screen size |
| 11:36.56 | olafski | I'd like a worgen |
| 11:36.58 | nevcairiel | i doubt they'll increase it |
| 11:37.05 | ZorbaTHut | nev, as does ten races |
| 11:37.08 | olafski | nevcairiel: which is scaled with resolution anyway :P |
| 11:37.12 | ZorbaTHut | and yet, they're adding two more races |
| 11:37.19 | ZorbaTHut | I'm pretty sure Blizzard is capable of rearranging UI elements. |
| 11:37.25 | olafski | they could just downscale the font a bit ;) |
| 11:37.28 | zenzio | the warrior Protection tree is almost too good now; you could easily spend almost all your points there |
| 11:37.31 | nevcairiel | even then, they have no reason to increase is |
| 11:37.39 | nevcairiel | there are other realms |
| 11:37.40 | nevcairiel | go nuts there |
| 11:37.45 | ZorbaTHut | sure they do, annoyed players who want one character of each class on their server |
| 11:37.51 | ZorbaTHut | alt-itis is important :) |
| 11:38.14 | DWSR | It keeps you coming back |
| 11:38.16 | DWSR | time is money. |
| 11:38.20 | olafski | definitely |
| 11:38.25 | olafski | I have one of each class atm |
| 11:38.29 | olafski | but I'd like to roll a worgen too |
| 11:38.33 | DWSR | I only have 1 80. |
| 11:38.51 | DWSR | Leveling up a DK (77) and a rogue very slowly. |
| 11:38.53 | DWSR | *very* slowly. |
| 11:39.01 | DWSR | I don't know why, but leveling is so fucking painful. |
| 11:39.04 | DWSR | Just, beyond words. |
| 11:39.14 | olafski | mine aren't all 80 either.. getting there though |
| 11:39.20 | zenzio | there are dry spots, but generally I enjoy leveling in WoW |
| 11:39.23 | ZorbaTHut | I've been enjoying leveling a lot more now that LFD is out |
| 11:39.28 | ZorbaTHut | I'm just tired of questing |
| 11:39.31 | olafski | I tried my rogue last night, as I complained then, I need to bandage every 4 mobs.. becomes annoying |
| 11:39.36 | zenzio | I imagine with Cataclysm they'll fix the dry spots |
| 11:39.41 | nevcairiel | I enjoy leveling in general, i just don't like some parts of classic |
| 11:39.46 | nevcairiel | BC and wotlk is fine |
| 11:39.50 | DWSR | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/ |
| 11:39.55 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'll probably quest my way up to 85 on my worgen hunter |
| 11:40.00 | zenzio | nevcairiel: classic is where the dry spots are =) |
| 11:40.04 | olafski | the dry spots when soloing are annoying yeah.. but if you just queue up for LFD every once in a while (or permanently as a DPS) you should get through those easily |
| 11:40.06 | zenzio | certain level ranges |
| 11:40.13 | nevcairiel | I'll play a worgen 1-85 |
| 11:40.16 | nevcairiel | not sure what class yet |
| 11:40.25 | zenzio | can worgen be druids? |
| 11:40.27 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 11:40.28 | DWSR | No |
| 11:40.29 | olafski | if we don't get extra spots I'll racechange my druid to worgen |
| 11:40.29 | DWSR | Yes* |
| 11:40.34 | nevcairiel | ~fail DWSR |
| 11:40.35 | purl | DWSR: FAIL! |
| 11:40.35 | zenzio | then clearly make a feral |
| 11:40.44 | zenzio | since you know, worgen are kind of feral |
| 11:40.47 | nevcairiel | that would defeat the point of having a worgen |
| 11:40.57 | nevcairiel | i would never see the new animations and that |
| 11:41.11 | DWSR | ahahah |
| 11:41.12 | zenzio | rogue then |
| 11:41.14 | DWSR | http://xkcd.com |
| 11:41.14 | ZorbaTHut | yeah a druid worgen is kind of :( |
| 11:41.32 | nevcairiel | i considered doing a second druid |
| 11:41.38 | nevcairiel | just because druids are awesome and all that |
| 11:41.47 | zenzio | you could be the only druid who doesn't use forms |
| 11:42.15 | nevcairiel | you don't lose that much when you go balance or resto, but feral is just a no-go :P |
| 11:42.50 | zenzio | don't you still use forms in those specs? |
| 11:43.02 | nevcairiel | you do, but its not mission critical |
| 11:43.19 | zenzio | so the abilities don't have a "must be in X form" requirement? |
| 11:43.23 | nevcairiel | no |
| 11:43.26 | zenzio | clearly never played a druid |
| 11:43.31 | nevcairiel | the forms just buff you |
| 11:43.48 | nevcairiel | and take away your ability to cast some spells |
| 11:43.56 | nevcairiel | trees cant dps, boomkisn cant heal |
| 11:44.04 | nevcairiel | without leaving the form, that is |
| 11:44.41 | ZorbaTHut | you lose enough to make it impractical for raiding |
| 11:45.06 | zenzio | in raids I don't think you're spending much time staring at your animations |
| 11:45.09 | nevcairiel | imho a worgen as a melee class is fun though |
| 11:45.15 | ZorbaTHut | you can do it in a 5-man, though you don't really want to unless you have to (healing as boomkin) or have nothing better to do (dpsing as tree) |
| 11:45.15 | nevcairiel | so maybe a rogue |
| 11:45.36 | nevcairiel | never really played one either |
| 11:45.39 | nevcairiel | so that would be new |
| 11:45.52 | zenzio | I enjoyed a rogue for soloing and exploring |
| 11:46.13 | nevcairiel | i never really enjoyed any dps class in raids |
| 11:46.14 | Grum | i dislike most melee sofar, the constant moving is just horrid |
| 11:46.20 | DWSR | http://notalwaysright.com/blimey-guvnor-this-magazine-is-a-bloody-good-read/4446 |
| 11:46.36 | Grum | its annoying for the tank that mobs move randomly but for a melee its tripple as horrible |
| 11:47.05 | Grum | DWSR: epic it is indeed :D |
| 11:47.12 | Grum | DWSR: cheers ^^ |
| 11:47.21 | DWSR | you're quite welcome |
| 11:47.25 | DWSR | I'm a big fan of Shulz. |
| 11:47.30 | DWSR | Schulz* |
| 11:47.49 | Grum | used to collect these livesets as well onceupon a time ... |
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| 11:50.56 | DWSR | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Bessy-Keeps-You-Safe.aspx |
| 11:51.02 | DWSR | Grum: http://themixingbowl.org |
| 11:54.41 | Grum | DWSR: amagawd torrents O.o |
| 11:54.54 | DWSR | all legal. |
| 11:55.05 | DWSR | They're broadcast recordings and live sets and other non-copyright stuff. |
| 11:58.57 | Grum | yeah but torrents means keeping ratio etc :D |
| 11:59.16 | Grum | doesnt appear to be much traffic (not many thing with many leechers) |
| 12:00.33 | Grum | so quite hard to even get a 1:1 ratio :) |
| 12:01.18 | DWSR | actually, that site is really easy |
| 12:01.26 | DWSR | They have a whole section that's freeleech, but upload counts. |
| 12:01.32 | DWSR | It's all the user submitted mixes |
| 12:01.56 | Grum | ah k |
| 12:01.59 | DWSR | Also, if you have your RSS feed set up for something like the essential mix, you can make a motherfuckton of ratio very quickly. |
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| 12:03.58 | Grum | mmm what section is freeleech? cant seem to find it (i must be blind><) |
| 12:04.41 | Grum | ah! searching for: 'free:yes' |
| 12:04.43 | DWSR | http://themixingbowl.org/forum/view/21/ |
| 12:04.50 | DWSR | that whole section is guarenteed to be. |
| 12:04.57 | DWSR | Also, yes, searching for free:yes will show you anything freeleech |
| 12:05.24 | Grum | hmmm so do they have annoying restrictions you have to connect from the ip you visit the site with? |
| 12:05.46 | DWSR | nope |
| 12:06.00 | Grum | good, saves me setting up proxies/tunnels :D |
| 12:08.28 | A-KO | Ever have those days where you just don't feel like going to work? |
| 12:08.30 | A-KO | I'm having that day today :P |
| 12:08.41 | DWSR | Yeah, me too |
| 12:08.44 | DWSR | But I know that I have to go |
| 12:08.59 | ZorbaTHut | oy, that was ridiculous. ended up in an LFD group with a paladin who wanted to tank but was scared |
| 12:09.02 | zenzio | Friday is always such a day |
| 12:09.02 | A-KO | lol, same. |
| 12:09.04 | ZorbaTHut | dungeon: Mana Tombs. paladin: level 78 |
| 12:09.33 | ZorbaTHut | like, dude. pretty sure you could solo this thing. |
| 12:10.04 | A-KO | well yesterday I got dumped on a project that I had no clue about and we don't have the facilities to do. I had to rip apart my whole lab yesterday to do it....We have an outside vendor that images computers for us to send out, and I had to image like 50 machine yesterday (yay multicast), but it's just a pain to set it all up, especially since I'm doing it in chunks of 10.... |
| 12:10.07 | nevcairiel | not if you're scared! |
| 12:10.42 | olafski | how can he even queue for mana tombs oO |
| 12:11.05 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 12:11.23 | ZorbaTHut | honestly not sure |
| 12:11.28 | DWSR | probably queued with someone? |
| 12:11.34 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I joined halfway through |
| 12:11.40 | ZorbaTHut | so maybe someone had left? |
| 12:11.42 | DWSR | yeah\ |
| 12:12.04 | ZorbaTHut | (sad part, he only did 30% more damage than me) |
| 12:13.04 | DWSR | Would the author of Grid please realize that drop down menus that don't scroll are a fucking stupid idea? |
| 12:13.14 | DWSR | I have like 100 bar textures loaded into LSM. |
| 12:13.27 | DWSR | Can't get to the bottom 70. |
| 12:15.47 | DWSR | Frankly, I dunno where like 80 of these things came from, but whatever. |
| 12:22.39 | DWSR | Grum: You still listening to this mix? |
| 12:22.55 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/sinfest/3435/20100224.gif |
| 12:23.43 | olafski | haha |
| 12:24.02 | DWSR | Anyone else here use Steam and trying the UI beta? |
| 12:24.53 | Adys | mikma: http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/sinfest/3437/20100226.gif |
| 12:25.12 | Grum | DWSR: in a bit again; meeting soon :) |
| 12:25.21 | DWSR | ah, too bad. |
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| 12:27.07 | DWSR | My favourite part of the mix is easily around 1:15 |
| 12:28.36 | DWSR | Eurythmics mashed with John O'Callaghan. |
| 12:28.38 | DWSR | Hell. Yes. |
| 12:35.49 | DWSR | Why the hell does PallyPower use 19mb of memory? |
| 12:39.51 | ZorbaTHut | paladins are very forgetful |
| 12:48.26 | DWSR | wow. |
| 12:48.32 | DWSR | Are laser chickens really underpowered in PvP? |
| 12:52.08 | DWSR | wow. |
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| 12:52.23 | DWSR | Shaving 100mb off of my UI really speeds up load times. |
| 12:52.37 | Kaso | holy crap what did you have in there |
| 12:53.03 | olafski | anyone care to comment on this build for solo leveling and a bit of dungeons: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#f0xZ0gc0xZtbczIGzdAzVcot:kd |
| 12:53.14 | Kaso | I really need to get off my ass and look do that "smarter pallypower" addon i've been planning to do for ages |
| 12:53.17 | zenzio | Kaso: a port of a LAMP stack maybe |
| 12:53.23 | Kaso | lol |
| 12:53.25 | zenzio | they do want Apache running everywhere |
| 12:53.27 | DWSR | znezio: I know right. |
| 12:53.29 | DWSR | zenzio* |
| 12:53.33 | Kaso | apache in lua, that'd becool |
| 12:53.35 | DWSR | Kaso: A lot of really big bulky addons. |
| 12:53.39 | DWSR | Which weren't big on functionality. |
| 12:53.46 | DWSR | olafski: shadowpanther.net |
| 12:54.00 | olafski | download all of wowhead, and let people request it off of you by way of http requests :D |
| 12:54.01 | DWSR | Kaso: I also got rid of my last Ace2 addon, which is about 10mb in itself. |
| 12:54.15 | Kaso | ah well that makes sense |
| 12:54.20 | nevcairiel | not really, the framework itself is maybe 1mb tops |
| 12:54.20 | DWSR | Who needs to download it when you have the sexy steam overlay. |
| 12:54.25 | Kaso | libs, useful if everyone is using them, a bit crap if only one is |
| 12:54.34 | DWSR | Kaso: Yeah. |
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| 12:54.58 | DWSR | I went from 160mb to ~65. |
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| 12:55.12 | olafski | wow and I thought my 49 MB is a lot |
| 12:55.16 | DWSR | Pft. |
| 12:55.38 | DWSR | I realized shit like I had 3 WG timer mods running. |
| 12:55.48 | DWSR | 1 of which I didn't know was a WG mod (the functionality is built into something else). |
| 12:56.10 | Kaso | im not a big fan of feature leach |
| 12:56.15 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 12:56.24 | olafski | ace2 takes 700kb here |
| 12:56.33 | Kaso | creep even |
| 12:56.34 | Kaso | not leach |
| 12:56.36 | DWSR | olafski: Addon must be misreporting somehow. |
| 12:56.42 | olafski | could be :P |
| 12:56.46 | nevcairiel | yours. yes |
| 12:56.50 | nevcairiel | not his |
| 12:56.52 | DWSR | Kaso: well, it's the clock section of SLDataText. |
| 12:56.55 | DWSR | nevcairiel: mhm. |
| 12:57.11 | DWSR | Kaso: It sort of fits there, so *shrug* |
| 12:57.34 | DWSR | I really want to get rid of Recount and use something else. |
| 12:57.41 | [Ammo] | I don't run a WG timer, because there is always an idiot who does :) |
| 12:57.46 | DWSR | But are there any damage meters which are more lightweight yet retain a similar featureset? |
| 12:58.05 | olafski | what's wrong with recount :( |
| 12:58.29 | DWSR | 12.1miB, before it has any data loaded into it. |
| 12:58.37 | Lonny | You can try Skada |
| 12:58.43 | Kaso | im sort of considering using WoL's live updating feature to replace recount all together, but i dunno how much of a load /combatlog puts on the system |
| 12:58.46 | olafski | I'm sure someone in here can link that rant about the memory usage being a very shitty performance measure |
| 12:58.58 | DWSR | Kaso: A bit, but not a ton. |
| 12:59.09 | DWSR | olafski: I didn't say this was about performance. |
| 12:59.18 | DWSR | olafski: This is strictly memory usage. I understand the difference between the two. |
| 12:59.20 | DWSR | Trust me. |
| 12:59.48 | olafski | but why care about memory usage? do you have 512MB of ram? |
| 12:59.58 | DWSR | olafski: I'm hitting the 4GB cap on my system. |
| 13:00.10 | DWSR | Or the 2GB cap on processes. |
| 13:00.13 | DWSR | Something, anyway. |
| 13:00.17 | olafski | close some other programs then :P |
| 13:00.33 | DWSR | olafski: Also, I want to speed up my load times. :) |
| 13:00.36 | nevcairiel | with the new d3d texture engine, i barely see my wow cross 1gb these days |
| 13:00.53 | DWSR | 100mb decrease in usage = almost a minute in load times savings. |
| 13:01.06 | olafski | a minute .. over one load? |
| 13:01.13 | DWSR | ye. |
| 13:01.24 | olafski | logging into wow seriously took more than a minute for you? |
| 13:01.32 | olafski | I'd have assumed it crashed after 20 seconds |
| 13:01.52 | DWSR | olafski: From clicking the icon on my desktop to seeing the game world is about 1:30. |
| 13:01.55 | DWSR | was* |
| 13:02.01 | DWSR | Now it's ~30. |
| 13:02.11 | olafski | I assume from clicking your desktop to doubleclicking your character hasn't changed |
| 13:02.20 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 13:02.26 | DWSR | So, a little less than a minute. |
| 13:02.33 | olafski | so you did in fact save 1 minute on the actual logging in of the character |
| 13:02.44 | olafski | that sounds horrible |
| 13:02.45 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 13:02.55 | olafski | even on my slow pc logging in takes about 15 seconds tops |
| 13:03.09 | DWSR | You only have 49mb of addons. |
| 13:04.08 | DWSR | Now I have a disgustingly huge unit frame too. |
| 13:04.20 | olafski | still baffled that someone would willingly have a load time of a minute |
| 13:04.20 | DWSR | It's like 600px x 80px. |
| 13:04.29 | olafski | I switch chars so often that that would kill me |
| 13:04.33 | DWSR | I don't. |
| 13:04.41 | DWSR | I only have 1 80 and I hate leveling. |
| 13:04.55 | DWSR | Also, the load time is drastically reduced when character switching, thanks to Windows. |
| 13:05.07 | olafski | ah true |
| 13:05.13 | DWSR | Once I've loaded everything in once, Windows sort of keeps it around. |
| 13:06.41 | DWSR | Anyway, it was time for me to clean house anyway. |
| 13:06.57 | DWSR | I turned off some Auctioneer statistics modules that were taking like 10mb a throw that I *never* use. |
| 13:09.14 | DWSR | I've also had a noticeable FPS increase. |
| 13:09.21 | DWSR | Gah, optimization is ADDICTIVE |
| 13:09.25 | DWSR | optimizes! |
| 13:10.32 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 13:10.35 | DWSR | So fast. |
| 13:10.51 | nevcairiel | i only have auctioneer active on my AH alt |
| 13:10.54 | nevcairiel | that saves tons :p |
| 13:11.17 | DWSR | As I said, I only really have the 1 80. |
| 13:11.28 | DWSR | And informant's such a CPU hog. |
| 13:11.29 | nevcairiel | AH alts can be lvl 1 |
| 13:11.29 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 13:13.34 | DWSR | Hrm. |
| 13:16.37 | DWSR | Also, there is some functionality that I've been using addons for that's now been incorporated into the base UI. |
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| 13:25.14 | DWSR | Anyone in here an experience Skada user? |
| 13:27.33 | DWSR | nevcairiel: All of Ace3 is 3.3mb in memory, according to the reporting addon I'm using. That sound right or no? |
| 13:27.46 | nevcairiel | no, its not. |
| 13:28.10 | nevcairiel | You should probably learn how memory usage is blamed on addons, especially libraries, before interpreting those numbers =) |
| 13:28.14 | DWSR | hrm. |
| 13:28.26 | DWSR | nevcairiel: No, I loaded Ace3 seperately. |
| 13:28.30 | DWSR | They're standalone. |
| 13:28.52 | nevcairiel | And you assume that will solve all your problems |
| 13:28.55 | nevcairiel | which it won't |
| 13:29.01 | DWSR | No, I don't assume it will solve anything. |
| 13:29.14 | DWSR | It doesn't really actually *do* anything to have the libs be standalone anyway. |
| 13:29.43 | DWSR | Since only 1 copy of the libs is going to end up being in memory once the game world is finally shown. |
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| 13:34.41 | foxlit | sigh, "Reset CMOS settings" |
| 13:34.58 | foxlit | Now I'll have to figure out which combination of memory parameters actually made this thing stable :( |
| 13:35.09 | zenzio | doh |
| 13:36.05 | Fisker | owned foxlit |
| 13:36.39 | zenzio | reminds me a little about trying to overclock a super-amazing Geforce 2 MX. Would lock up my whole computer at even just 5 MHz difference |
| 13:39.32 | foxlit | RAM errors provide the best graphical bugs in WoW, though. |
| 13:41.47 | DWSR | Do tell |
| 13:43.12 | foxlit | Borks more or less every texture after a while, swapping them around randomly |
| 13:43.27 | foxlit | Things like text suddenly appearing in place of spell effects. |
| 13:43.38 | DWSR | lol |
| 13:44.57 | DWSR | Are you sure that's not Blizzard trying to tell you that you spend too much time on IRC? |
| 13:46.23 | DWSR | imo, you should get some bad RAM sticks and try it on purpose, just for grins. |
| 13:46.38 | Fisker | i hear teh thunder foxlit |
| 13:46.58 | foxlit | I see melting snow, Fisker. |
| 13:47.08 | Fisker | nice |
| 13:47.18 | Fisker | should i get 24GB of RAM? |
| 13:47.27 | foxlit | DWSR: You can just mess with the timings on your good ram |
| 13:47.38 | DWSR | Fisker: Yes. |
| 13:47.45 | DWSR | Fisker: That way you can have 20 copies of WoW open at the same time. |
| 13:47.48 | foxlit | Make the controller think it can issue reads faster than the ram can handle, and you're all set. |
| 13:47.59 | DWSR | foxlit: RAM's faster than the board. |
| 13:48.01 | DWSR | A *lot* faster. |
| 13:48.09 | DWSR | RAM's 1333, board's only 887. |
| 13:48.46 | Fisker | why would i want 20 copies of WoW open? |
| 13:49.04 | foxlit | 1086 ram running at 800 on a 1333 board. |
| 13:49.07 | nevcairiel | multi-boxing on one box! |
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| 13:49.29 | DWSR | duodecabox? |
| 13:49.41 | DWSR | or is that 12 sides? |
| 13:49.44 | DWSR | err, 12 box |
| 13:50.20 | Fisker | well i used up all my money on RAM so how can i afford 20 copies of wow? :( |
| 13:50.23 | foxlit | DWSR: DDR3? |
| 13:52.13 | DWSR | no |
| 13:52.34 | foxlit | Finding 1333mhz ddr2 is troublesome :/ |
| 13:52.44 | DWSR | mhm |
| 13:53.19 | DWSR | Not impossible, but yeah. |
| 13:53.25 | DWSR | The RAM's a waste now anyway. |
| 13:53.46 | foxlit | mm? |
| 13:54.32 | Fisker | RAM is awesome |
| 13:54.33 | DWSR | If I were to upgrade the board, it would be to a DDR3 board. |
| 13:54.41 | DWSR | So I'd need new RAM anyway. |
| 13:55.19 | Fisker | gief gulftown already |
| 13:58.10 | Wobin | holy crap |
| 13:58.11 | Wobin | http://www.matchstickmarvels.com/MinasTirith.htm |
| 13:58.12 | DWSR | http://is.gd/9eJ8Z <- rofl |
| 13:58.43 | DWSR | Wobin: Nice find. |
| 14:01.41 | Wobin | oh god |
| 14:01.43 | Wobin | hot topic |
| 14:01.49 | Wobin | you are destroying my childhood |
| 14:01.50 | Wobin | http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/WhatsNew/Accessories/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Headband-Shell-Backpack-361439.jsp |
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| 14:21.47 | DWSR | <Wobin>oh god <Wobin>hot topic <- fix't. |
| 14:22.03 | DWSR | Wobin, do you use google reader"? |
| 14:22.11 | Wobin | yah |
| 14:22.51 | DWSR | e-mail? |
| 14:22.59 | Wobin | oh god, my saffie workmate has me talking like him now >< |
| 14:23.12 | Wobin | wobatwork |
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| 14:26.41 | DWSR | http://olympics.thestar.com/2010/article/771965--team-canada-sorry-as-hockey-women-party-at-centre-ice <-- Who gives a fuck? |
| 14:27.22 | zenzio | oh nose! The Canadians know how to have fun! |
| 14:27.29 | DWSR | indeed |
| 14:27.50 | Wobin | heavens to betsy! |
| 14:28.10 | Cairenn | I know, shocking, isn't it? |
| 14:28.12 | foxlit | Hm, ECC memory. |
| 14:28.24 | Wobin | omg |
| 14:28.24 | Wobin | https://www.amazon.com/dp/1594744602?tag=blaitonthevoi-20&camp=213381&creative=390973&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=1594744602&adid=0DCFTBABQQS31HHTT8CT& |
| 14:28.30 | Wobin | Android Karenina =P |
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| 14:28.37 | foxlit | Do I need to bother? Wonder how that works. |
| 14:29.02 | zenzio | from what I've heard - but have no personal experience with - ECC is generally not worth it (for home use) |
| 14:29.07 | zenzio | and a bit slower than non-ECC |
| 14:31.00 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2nra23pIE&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:31.01 | Wobin | woah |
| 14:31.19 | Wobin | He's probably talking like that, cause if he talks normally, he'll bite his own tongue off for shivering =P |
| 14:31.20 | Fisker | in russia you troll me Wobin |
| 14:31.33 | Fisker | btw zenzio you need boards that actually support ECC as far as i recall |
| 14:31.37 | Fisker | and motherboards usually don't |
| 14:31.38 | Wobin | Fisker, I troll you because I love you, Fisker |
| 14:31.47 | Fisker | your usual mainstream/gaming motherboards that is |
| 14:32.07 | Fisker | i love you too Wobin |
| 14:32.29 | foxlit | I was fishing for that, actually. No ECC support on this board, which removes the question :) |
| 14:32.42 | zenzio | Fisker: oh, I didn't know that |
| 14:33.39 | nevcairiel | You'll have a hardtime finding a ECC board actually |
| 14:34.27 | nevcairiel | most servers use dedicated hardware thats pretty rare on the open market |
| 14:34.37 | nevcairiel | you only find replacement parts like ram |
| 14:35.31 | Fisker | yay |
| 14:36.39 | Adys | Has this ever happened to you |
| 14:36.50 | Adys | Some russian guy comes up to you and starts insulting you in russian |
| 14:36.58 | Adys | You are helpless, you don't know russian |
| 14:37.07 | zenzio | yes, I've had some weird guildies |
| 14:37.11 | Adys | Now, what you can do: Open NamesProfanity.dbc, filter by language |
| 14:37.26 | Adys | and you've got a plethora to choose from! |
| 14:37.59 | nevcairiel | How do you know he is insulting you, if you dont know russian? |
| 14:38.12 | Adys | isnt that insulting enough? |
| 14:38.26 | DWSR | Depends on the context. |
| 14:38.30 | DWSR | If you're in Russia, probably not. |
| 14:39.22 | zenzio | I once told a Russian guildie that the only Russian words I knew were "vodka, kalashnikov and spetz natz". He told me "yes, that's usually what happens" |
| 14:40.19 | Fisker | hey zenzio |
| 14:41.44 | Fisker | you can barely call those words btw |
| 14:41.58 | zenzio | sure |
| 14:42.13 | zenzio | mostly names |
| 14:42.27 | Fisker | you mean only names |
| 14:42.56 | Fisker | voda = vodka, kalashnikov = AK-47, Spetsnaz = Russian special forces |
| 14:42.59 | Fisker | vodka* |
| 14:43.28 | nevcairiel | vodka is actually a word, too |
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| 14:43.37 | zenzio | I'm sure in Russia it's even a verb |
| 14:46.05 | DWSR | "I like to vodka"? |
| 14:46.06 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 14:46.25 | Fisker | i vodka u |
| 14:46.30 | DWSR | The name "vodka" is a diminutive of the Russian voda (âwaterâ).[3] It was not originally called vodka â instead, the term bread wine (Ñ
лебное вино; khlebnoye vino) was used. |
| 14:46.58 | DWSR | bread wine? |
| 14:47.04 | DWSR | Isn't it from potatoes? |
| 14:47.48 | nevcairiel | no, its from grain |
| 14:48.04 | nevcairiel | well i guess they basically made it from whatever they had |
| 14:52.00 | DWSR | Vodka is made from any one of these fermented substances: grain, rye, wheat, potatoes, or sugar beet molasses. |
| 14:52.17 | nevcairiel | whatever they had :D |
| 14:52.40 | nevcairiel | most vodka today is from grain or wheat, afaik |
| 14:53.05 | Wobin | bread bread wine |
| 14:53.06 | nevcairiel | DWSR: if you want to be picky, can also make potatoe bread |
| 14:53.09 | DWSR | Vodka is traditionally drunk neat in the vodka belt â Eastern Europe and Nordic countries â and elsewhere. <--- The only way to drink it, imo. |
| 14:53.10 | Wobin | go to my heaaaaad |
| 14:53.14 | Wobin | Make me forget that I |
| 14:53.18 | Wobin | Still need her so.. |
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| 15:20.50 | DWSR | So the honor turn-in for marks in 3.3.3 is going to be 2k PER MARK? |
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| 15:22.43 | Grum | DWSR: its completely insane |
| 15:22.52 | Grum | means you can get 1 billion honor |
| 15:23.05 | Grum | but they prolly remove it before season 10 (ea with cata) |
| 15:23.13 | DWSR | That's 100 * 6 * 2k |
| 15:23.15 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 15:23.32 | DWSR | and that's 1.2million |
| 15:23.51 | Grum | i am just considering that |
| 15:24.13 | Grum | that means 100*6*2/10*150 gold O.o |
| 15:24.21 | DWSR | No. |
| 15:24.23 | DWSR | 600k |
| 15:24.27 | DWSR | 600/10*150 |
| 15:24.34 | DWSR | the *2 is for honor. |
| 15:24.38 | Grum | yeah |
| 15:24.41 | Grum | and /10 is for a gem |
| 15:24.46 | Grum | and *150 for it being a red gem |
| 15:24.47 | DWSR | oh, nvm. |
| 15:24.48 | DWSR | I see what you did. |
| 15:24.52 | DWSR | yeah |
| 15:24.53 | DWSR | :P |
| 15:24.56 | Grum | so that is a nice 18k gold |
| 15:25.11 | Grum | then again, 18k gold is pocketchange :D |
| 15:25.12 | DWSR | and it's /100 |
| 15:25.21 | Grum | mm its not? |
| 15:25.27 | DWSR | err. |
| 15:25.30 | nevcairiel | its 10k honor per gem |
| 15:25.32 | Grum | 100*6/5*150 should be the same |
| 15:25.39 | DWSR | We're dealing with a few different units. |
| 15:25.54 | DWSR | It's (100 * 6 * 2000 / 10000) * 150 |
| 15:26.20 | Grum | 100(tokens)*6(BGs)*2(k honor)/10(k honor)*150(gold) |
| 15:26.31 | Adys | LightIntBand.dbc, LightFloatBand.dbc |
| 15:26.38 | Adys | You're in the matrix, charlie brown |
| 15:26.43 | Adys | and this is why the sky is blue |
| 15:27.03 | DWSR | 100 tokens * g BGs * 2000 honor / 10000 honor per gem |
| 15:27.08 | DWSR | * 150 gold per gem. |
| 15:27.13 | DWSR | s/g/6/ |
| 15:27.14 | DWSR | Anyway. |
| 15:27.19 | Grum | (100 * 6 * 2000 / 10000) * 150 == 100 * 6 * 2000 / 10000 * 150 == 100 * 6 * 2 / 10 * 150 == 100 * 6 / 5 * 150 |
| 15:27.24 | nevcairiel | if you knew math, you would notice that *2000/1000 is the same as *2/10 :P |
| 15:27.31 | nevcairiel | 10000* |
| 15:27.32 | Cide | lolol |
| 15:27.35 | Cide | fail |
| 15:27.43 | Grum | anyhow, i am right nevertheless; 18k gold for all of your honor |
| 15:27.46 | Grum | which is not bad |
| 15:27.49 | DWSR | nevcairiel: And *2/10 is the same as * 2000/10000 |
| 15:27.52 | DWSR | So what does it matter?\ |
| 15:27.55 | nevcairiel | assuming the price doesnt drop |
| 15:28.00 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.07 | Grum | but yeah prices will drop |
| 15:28.08 | Adys | Cide, quickly |
| 15:28.13 | nevcairiel | DWSR: just telling you that your silly comments about "different units" was just silly :) |
| 15:28.15 | Adys | lets have sex while everyone's looking away |
| 15:28.18 | Cide | no |
| 15:28.23 | Adys | but :( |
| 15:28.26 | Cide | no |
| 15:28.30 | Adys | FINE THEN |
| 15:28.36 | Grum | so the 150 will prolly be ~110 (with the price settling on 70g in the end) |
| 15:28.52 | nevcairiel | maybe they'll nerf that |
| 15:28.53 | Grum | and ofc linear decrease over the period you sell |
| 15:28.58 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I said orders of magnitude. |
| 15:28.59 | nevcairiel | 1.2 million honor is too much, anyway |
| 15:29.03 | Adys | ugh |
| 15:29.05 | Adys | Cide: http://www.sourcepeek.com/wiki/Light.dbc |
| 15:29.07 | Adys | =[ |
| 15:29.09 | DWSR | I just like to have everything as base or kilo or whatever. |
| 15:29.23 | Cide | what about it? |
| 15:29.24 | Grum | DWSR: it doesnt matter, if you multiply by apples and then divide by it |
| 15:29.34 | DWSR | Let's agree to disagree, shall we? |
| 15:29.51 | Grum | you are right that it could be written nicer :D |
| 15:29.56 | Grum | i just like taking shortcuts ;) |
| 15:30.23 | DWSR | haste makes waste, and so forth |
| 15:30.27 | Grum | anyhow, that is indeed quite the amount |
| 15:30.31 | DWSR | mhm |
| 15:30.49 | haste | bleeds on DWSR. |
| 15:30.51 | Grum | then again, 1.2million honor only translates in ~10-20k gold |
| 15:30.57 | Grum | so /care :D |
| 15:31.23 | Grum | oh i was even wrong |
| 15:31.52 | Grum | oh i wasnt ... 20 tokens for a red gem .. not 20k honor |
| 15:32.24 | Grum | i think they should normalize the price of 1/6 of what you'd normally get for a token handin, per token |
| 15:32.55 | Grum | so 6 would be ~1.8k orso |
| 15:33.59 | Grum | 1489 honor. to be exact |
| 15:34.28 | DWSR | I like the idea of making them worth a bit more. |
| 15:34.29 | DWSR | But meh. |
| 15:34.31 | Grum | so they overvalue it by 700% right now |
| 15:34.36 | DWSR | This whole 2k per turn in thing is insane. |
| 15:34.37 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 15:34.39 | Grum | that is just mad :) |
| 15:34.51 | Grum | 248->2000 honor |
| 15:35.00 | Grum | and no restriction on having 'one of each' |
| 15:35.05 | DWSR | Not quite 600%. |
| 15:35.17 | Grum | 700% extra, tad more than 700 even |
| 15:35.32 | DWSR | wow. |
| 15:35.36 | DWSR | Holy shit, brain is non-functional. |
| 15:35.53 | DWSR | Yes, sorry. |
| 15:36.07 | Grum | 706.45161290322580645% approx ;) |
| 15:36.37 | Grum | meh make that 705.910006715916722632% |
| 15:36.41 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:36.51 | DWSR | I'll make YOU 705.91000... |
| 15:36.53 | Grum | fail rounding if you start 'bc' without '-l' :P |
| 15:37.05 | Grum | anyhow, shitloads :D |
| 15:37.10 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 15:37.12 | Grum | +100% would be generous |
| 15:37.26 | DWSR | I'm all for <=+50%. |
| 15:37.31 | DWSR | Anything above is pushing it. |
| 15:37.44 | Grum | so that would mean 1498*2*100/10000 gems |
| 15:38.00 | Grum | which is almost 30 |
| 15:38.50 | Grum | hmm lets see, you need to kill 15 heroic bosses for 2 gems (through stonekeeper shards) |
| 15:39.03 | Grum | or do ~2 random heroics for 1 gem |
| 15:39.28 | Grum | so per ~4 random heroics you can get 3 gems :) |
| 15:40.06 | DWSR | You get 4 + 2 extra per heroic, right? |
| 15:40.12 | DWSR | on average? |
| 15:40.23 | Grum | 2-5 per heroic yeah |
| 15:40.26 | Grum | +2 |
| 15:40.33 | DWSR | Let's just go with 4. |
| 15:40.36 | Grum | and the +2 only if its not your first |
| 15:40.39 | Grum | yeah hence my ~4 ;) |
| 15:40.42 | DWSR | We'll assume it's not. |
| 15:40.49 | Grum | then it should be 5 |
| 15:40.57 | DWSR | So 6 per heroic, on average. |
| 15:41.01 | DWSR | 5? |
| 15:41.02 | DWSR | alright |
| 15:41.07 | Grum | not many instances with 2 bosses |
| 15:41.11 | DWSR | So 2 will get you 1 offcolour gem. |
| 15:41.20 | Grum | many with 4+ where you can skip 2 though :) |
| 15:41.34 | Grum | oh yeah offcolor indeed |
| 15:41.44 | DWSR | Since red/blue/yellow are all 20 |
| 15:41.51 | DWSR | So, average out to 15. |
| 15:41.56 | Grum | so you need 3 for 1 'gem' |
| 15:42.00 | DWSR | so 3 heroics gets you 1 gem, on average. |
| 15:42.26 | Grum | and 3 heroics get you ~36 stonekeeper shards from that logic |
| 15:42.33 | Grum | 15-3*2 |
| 15:42.57 | DWSR | It's 4 SKS a boss? |
| 15:43.00 | Grum | yeah |
| 15:43.04 | DWSR | yeah, 36. |
| 15:43.06 | Grum | and we decided to kill 3 per run |
| 15:43.13 | DWSR | That's 1/5th of a gem per run |
| 15:43.20 | Grum | so 12 per run, 150 needed for 1 gem |
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| 15:43.40 | Grum | 150->5x30->5x2000 honor -> 1 gem |
| 15:44.04 | Grum | so that is 25 runs for 2 gems :) |
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| 15:44.52 | Grum | so 75 runes for 6+25=31 gems |
| 15:44.56 | Grum | -e |
| 15:45.00 | DWSR | That's a *lot* of time saved. |
| 15:45.18 | Grum | 2.42 runs per gem |
| 15:46.16 | Grum | if you pick at most 12.5+6 non-off-color gems from your 31 gems ;) |
| 15:47.15 | DWSR | Assuming that you're doing this purely for money, you'll end up with a lower number. |
| 15:47.26 | DWSR | Multiple runs/gem by 2. |
| 15:47.28 | DWSR | err, 1.5? |
| 15:49.14 | DWSR | no, not 1.5 |
| 15:49.16 | DWSR | Anyway, whatever. |
| 15:51.07 | Wobin | twirls his hair |
| 15:51.10 | Wobin | Math is hard |
| 15:52.18 | DWSR | It is when you haven't slept in 48 hours |
| 15:52.51 | Shirik | logic dictates you should sleep |
| 15:53.19 | Wobin | =\ |
| 15:53.32 | Wobin | I haven't managed a period longer than four hours of sleep in the last half week |
| 15:53.34 | DWSR | You can sleep. |
| 15:53.37 | DWSR | WHEN YOU'RE DEAD. |
| 15:54.38 | Shirik | no you can't |
| 15:54.44 | Shirik | sleep requires subconsious activity |
| 15:54.56 | Shirik | when you're dead, there is no subconsious activity |
| 15:55.00 | DWSR | Not that you know of. |
| 15:55.23 | DWSR | But it may be so subconcious that no one can detect it. |
| 15:56.06 | DWSR | Or, perhaps it's superconcious? |
| 15:56.22 | DWSR | Conciousness in a dimension beyond that of 4? |
| 15:56.53 | Shirik | o.o |
| 15:57.14 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:57.26 | Fisker | del buono |
| 15:58.27 | Shirik | faaaaaaaaaak |
| 15:58.29 | Shirik | To All Faculty, Staff and Students, |
| 15:58.29 | Shirik | The Campus Safety & Security Department reminds everyone that Bike Week activities occur 2/26/10-3/7/10 throughout the greater Daytona Beach area. Please remember to use extra caution while driving. Traffic patterns will include more congestion and delays, so remember to allow extra travel time. |
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| 16:05.19 | DWSR | Shirik: Isn't there snow in Daytona atm? |
| 16:05.48 | Shirik | no |
| 16:06.07 | DWSR | Ah, too bad. |
| 16:06.19 | DWSR | Dead bikers everywhere would be amusing, if tragic. |
| 16:07.12 | Shirik | rofl |
| 16:08.09 | DWSR | I feel much less guilty about that now that you've laughed |
| 16:10.35 | Fisker | yeeeeeeeeeeees |
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| 16:13.38 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/02/uvglowing-skulls-stamped-thousands-pounds-worth-uk-banknotes/ |
| 16:14.45 | DWSR | What for? |
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| 16:25.20 | Wobin | Adys, that's kinda cool |
| 16:25.24 | Wobin | would never happen here =P |
| 16:26.17 | Wobin | although, that video is a bit... disconnected |
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| 16:27.05 | Taroven | Hm... why is this frame ignoring the alpha in SetVertexColor? |
| 16:27.43 | Fisker | well did you ask it? |
| 16:27.56 | Taroven | GetVertexColor is returning {0,0,0,.999...} though it's supposed to be set to {0,0,0,0.5} |
| 16:28.10 | DWSR | Ask it nicely. |
| 16:28.22 | Taroven | But it's being mean. D= |
| 16:28.49 | Wobin | People never think politeness ever gets them anywhere, nowadays =( |
| 16:29.17 | Taroven | Okay, nevermind, it's ignoring SetVertexColor completely, just forced it to red to see if that helped... and nope. |
| 16:29.25 | Ackis | Wobin: blame the interwebs :( |
| 16:29.35 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:29.50 | Ackis | see look, I just got slapped |
| 16:30.02 | Wobin | blames Fisker |
| 16:30.03 | Fisker | i did it to protect you |
| 16:30.11 | Wobin | You're the reason the internet can't have nice things =( |
| 16:30.24 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:30.36 | Fisker | i'm the reason facebook and twitter exists |
| 16:31.19 | DWSR | flies into a murderous rage |
| 16:31.27 | Kraps | a synonym for tattered is tatterdemalion? O_o |
| 16:31.31 | Ackis | I like twitter |
| 16:31.36 | Fisker | i hate twitter |
| 16:32.09 | Ackis | I've won a lot of stuff from twitter so I like it |
| 16:32.13 | Fisker | every time Blizzard launches a dev chat on twitter and say "Due to space contraints the answers will be posted on the forums" i write "If only a system existed that could support more than 140 characters" |
| 16:32.14 | Fisker | hoho |
| 16:32.37 | Fisker | passive aggressive rage ftw |
| 16:33.00 | Wobin | DWSR, bah, now I'll have to start sharing links =P |
| 16:33.33 | DWSR | :P |
| 16:34.14 | Wobin | woah http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ky25osP47m1qapwp3o1_500.png |
| 16:34.20 | Wobin | that has to be 'shopped |
| 16:34.37 | Taroven | Yay fixt. Silly mistake. |
| 16:34.43 | DWSR | doubt it. |
| 16:34.56 | Wobin | also |
| 16:34.57 | Wobin | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kyf8adLnfB1qzrlhgo1_500.jpg |
| 16:34.59 | Wobin | *bonk* |
| 16:35.12 | Seerah | now that's a well timed picture |
| 16:35.33 | DWSR | rofl |
| 16:36.08 | Wobin | aha |
| 16:36.15 | Wobin | a Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo |
| 16:36.43 | Wobin | http://www.zooborns.com/ |
| 16:36.49 | Wobin | this is adorable btw, Cairenn ^ |
| 16:37.05 | Wobin | especially the baby red panda cub |
| 16:37.25 | Wobin | argh |
| 16:37.30 | Wobin | maned wolf cubs |
| 16:37.36 | Wobin | http://www.zooborns.com/.a/6a010535647bf3970b0120a8b77f76970b-pi |
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| 16:39.56 | Ackis | panics. |
| 16:40.22 | Wobin | covers Ackis in panda cubs |
| 16:40.29 | Ackis | last job interview I had, I went in thinking it was for a different job... I got the job lulz |
| 16:40.38 | Wobin | Ackis, win! |
| 16:40.50 | Ackis | I have another one in like 4 hours |
| 16:40.57 | Ackis | I'm actually trying to prepare for it |
| 16:40.57 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5480869/lara-croft-gets-a-street |
| 16:41.08 | durcyn | man, they'll just give anybody a job in canada |
| 16:41.09 | Wobin | what's the interview for? |
| 16:41.24 | Ackis | http://jobview.monster.ca/Security-Analyst-Projects-Job-Edmonton-AB-CA-85930798.aspx |
| 16:41.43 | Wobin | what was the one you just got the job for? |
| 16:42.12 | Ackis | it was a temporary work assignment for a year in Enterprise Risk Management |
| 16:42.36 | Wobin | You've organised your job interviews well =) |
| 16:44.58 | Ackis | confused I am? |
| 16:47.58 | Wobin | good luck! |
| 16:48.06 | Ackis | lol thanks |
| 16:48.15 | Wobin | hm |
| 16:48.20 | Ackis | I'm currently doing some final research on what the company actually does |
| 16:48.21 | Wobin | wasn't someone asking about mount costs? |
| 16:48.23 | Wobin | "On EU PTR PvP mounts are sold for 50000 honor points each. |
| 16:48.23 | Wobin | " |
| 16:48.25 | amro | Ackis: just don't mention this in your next interview. |
| 16:48.40 | Wobin | Ackis, usually something you'd want to look into before accepting a position =) |
| 16:49.01 | amro | Wobin: is there anything special about them? |
| 16:49.03 | durcyn | he didn't say he accepted it yet |
| 16:49.27 | amro | or is it yet another reason for people who don't care about pvp to swarm BGs grinding the mount achivements? |
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| 16:50.04 | Wobin | amro, I think it's due to the people considering either buying it before the patch or after |
| 16:50.34 | amro | oh, these aren't new mounts? |
| 16:50.39 | Ackis | Wobin: I know the person doing the hiring and I want to work with him, the companies name is synonymous with natural gas/electricity delivery in the province, but this is a branch of that company and I'm not sure what they deliver aside from IT support for the main company |
| 16:50.42 | amro | I thought you were talking about new mounts |
| 16:50.44 | Wobin | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v684/ellonwye/windridercub.jpg |
| 16:50.47 | Wobin | omg |
| 16:50.55 | Kraps | Check out the latest from the PTR -- battleground mark to honor conversion is now up, with each battleground mark you've squirreled away worth an astonishing two thousand honor per mark |
| 16:50.57 | Wobin | this is doing terrible things to my resolve |
| 16:51.28 | Kraps | Wobin: resistance is futile |
| 16:51.42 | Wobin | Kraps, shipping will probably snap me out of my daze |
| 16:51.54 | DWSR | Wobin: No it won't. |
| 16:52.01 | Ackis | Wobin: I've been tempted to order them even though I don't have an active wow account lol |
| 16:52.02 | DWSR | BECAUSE SHIPPING IS FREE AMIRITE? |
| 16:52.31 | Wobin | DWSR, whut, lies? |
| 16:53.03 | Kraps | lol poor Wobin |
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| 16:53.14 | DWSR | NO. |
| 16:53.15 | DWSR | DA TRUFS |
| 16:53.30 | Wobin | checks it out |
| 16:53.43 | DWSR | GAWD MAKD DA HEVIN AND DA ERFS |
| 16:54.12 | DWSR | Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz. |
| 16:54.18 | DWSR | At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!1 |
| 16:54.44 | DWSR | Genesis 1:1-3 |
| 16:54.51 | DWSR | In lolcat, of course. |
| 16:54.59 | Wobin | hehe, It's been a while since I read the lolcat bible |
| 16:55.14 | DWSR | every once in a while. |
| 16:55.16 | DWSR | I just get the urge. |
| 16:56.08 | Wobin | # |
| 16:56.08 | Wobin | Subtotal: |
| 16:56.08 | Wobin | $24.99 |
| 16:56.08 | Wobin | # |
| 16:56.08 | Wobin | Sales Tax: |
| 16:56.09 | Wobin | $0.00 |
| 16:56.11 | Wobin | # |
| 16:56.13 | Wobin | Shipping & Handling: |
| 16:56.15 | Wobin | $20.68 |
| 16:56.17 | Wobin | LIES =( |
| 16:56.32 | Wobin | Yeah, that snapped me out of my daze |
| 16:56.45 | Adys | hey |
| 16:56.47 | Adys | Wobin |
| 16:57.05 | Adys | an ilvl 281 one handed sword |
| 16:57.09 | Wobin | yo? |
| 16:57.15 | Adys | at 20 out of 80 durability |
| 16:58.07 | Adys | lua> 60*751*12811 |
| 16:58.10 | lua_bot | Adys: 577263660 |
| 16:58.33 | Adys | lua> 60*751*1281 |
| 16:58.34 | lua_bot | Adys: 57721860 |
| 16:58.53 | Adys | that doesnt look right |
| 16:59.00 | Adys | but it will cost a lot of money to repair you know |
| 16:59.01 | Gnarfoz | 57g? |
| 16:59.12 | Adys | that would be 5772 gold |
| 16:59.19 | Gnarfoz | why 1281 when it's ilvl 281 tho? |
| 16:59.21 | alestane | 'A client called complaining that she couldnât access the company website. When I get there, this is what she had typed in the URL field: âthe company websiteâ.' |
| 16:59.46 | Wobin | rofl: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxxji1XrVR1qzou5ko1_500.jpg A face made for an emoticon =P |
| 16:59.47 | Adys | oh |
| 16:59.53 | Adys | lua> -60*751*1281 |
| 16:59.53 | lua_bot | Adys: -57721860 |
| 16:59.57 | Adys | ..... |
| 17:00.03 | Adys | Im going to bed |
| 17:00.08 | Adys | but wobin, there's a lookup table |
| 17:00.10 | amro | Adys: I told you that formula was assbackwards |
| 17:00.23 | Wobin | Adys, I'm not sure why you're notifying me =P |
| 17:00.37 | Adys | because you've been chosen |
| 17:00.55 | amro | ~whalenuke Adys |
| 17:00.56 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Adys with his mind powers. |
| 17:00.57 | Adys | you multiply the durability left by the modifier of the item class for the specific ilvl (in this case 751) |
| 17:01.05 | Adys | and then you multiply it by the quality modifier |
| 17:01.06 | Adys | fun |
| 17:01.14 | Taroven | Grr... Is it possible at all to adjust the drawing order of textures created with frame:CreateTexture beyond the draw layer? ie, if I need something in the BACKGROUND layer but displayed below another texture which is created first? |
| 17:01.45 | alestane | You can't guarantee order for textures in the same layer. |
| 17:01.55 | Taroven | That's stupid. |
| 17:02.23 | Taroven | I can use SetFrameLevel for just about anything else, how are textureframes any different mechanically. -.- |
| 17:02.46 | Taroven | Only reason I'm even using CreateTexture is because SetBlendMode isn't available to anything else. |
| 17:03.22 | alestane | textures ~= frames. |
| 17:03.36 | Taroven | Duly noted. |
| 17:04.22 | Taroven | Is the drawing order at least on a FCFS basis? |
| 17:04.42 | Taroven | ie, if I hide the textures and show them later, will they be in the same order? |
| 17:05.37 | alestane | All textures in one frame will appear above all textures in any lower frames. All texture in a higher draw layer within a single frame will appear above all texture in a lower draw layer in the same frame. But for textures in the same layer of the same frame, assume nothing. |
| 17:06.07 | Taroven | =\ |
| 17:06.15 | Wobin | http://community.livejournal.com/dear_gnome/536866.html?thread=4269090&style=mine#t4269090 |
| 17:06.16 | Wobin | win |
| 17:06.58 | alestane | If you need one texture to consistently appear in front of another one, put it in a different layer. |
| 17:07.10 | Taroven | Yeah, about to do that. |
| 17:09.15 | alestane | It seems to be a fairly common thought-trap or fallacy to believe that photos somehow retain a connection to the time and place where they were taken: |
| 17:09.15 | alestane | Client: âCan you re-touch the hat off the man?â |
| 17:09.15 | alestane | Me: âYes, what kind of hair would you like?â |
| 17:09.15 | alestane | Client: âYou will see when you take the hat off.â |
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| 17:09.50 | Taroven | First though, is it possible to create a border (using SetBackdrop in a regular frame) on a level other than BORDER, or failing that, recreate that border with the same texture using CreateTexture in a way that makes any sort of sense? |
| 17:10.37 | Fisker | [18:09:16][2. Trade] [Kattunge]: LFM battered hilt farming battered hilt reserved <-how about no? |
| 17:10.45 | Taroven | If backgrounds could use SetBlendMode I would be done with this already =\ |
| 17:11.22 | Taroven | Fisker: lawl... that's like inviting melee to toc25 with every trinket reserved. |
| 17:11.25 | alestane | Taroven: On the PTR, I believe so. |
| 17:11.33 | Taroven | Ooo, really? |
| 17:11.34 | durcyn | Fisker: http://bit.ly/937rUz |
| 17:11.43 | Taroven | Any documentation? |
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| 17:11.48 | nevcairiel | The PTR has big texture changes? |
| 17:13.30 | alestane | Tiling options, I think? |
| 17:14.45 | Gnarfoz | what is this blasphemy |
| 17:14.46 | Taroven | Only thing I can see in an obvious spot is in the 3.3 API changes thread: "As of the 3.3.3 PTR the Texture:SetTexCoordModifiesRect() method is gone. No idea if this is intentional or not." |
| 17:14.48 | Taroven | =\ |
| 17:14.57 | Gnarfoz | no diff mail, mmo-champion not updated... I feel left out! |
| 17:15.09 | nevcairiel | there was no patch |
| 17:15.12 | nevcairiel | not today, anyway |
| 17:15.19 | alestane | Let me see if I can find any supporting references. |
| 17:19.04 | Fisker | what's that for Taroven ? |
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| 17:19.44 | Taroven | Fisker: What, the SetTexCoordModifiesRect thing? |
| 17:19.51 | Fisker | yeah |
| 17:20.26 | Taroven | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetTexCoordModifiesRect |
| 17:20.53 | alestane | "Can you add a menu to the beginning of this VHS tape? You know, like a DVD so we can skip forward." |
| 17:20.59 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:21.15 | Taroven | Fisker: Can never remember the default, but it sets whether to crop or scale the texture when using SetTexCoord to change its dimensions. |
| 17:21.22 | Fisker | i don't see the point in removing that Taroven |
| 17:21.23 | Fisker | :o |
| 17:22.23 | Taroven | Fisker: Yeah, hopefully it was unintentional or just renamed... A few addons I know of (and one that I write...) rely on it to show textures properly. |
| 17:23.23 | nevcairiel | you can work around not having that, though |
| 17:23.30 | nevcairiel | just need to make sure the textures have the right size |
| 17:23.33 | Taroven | Yeah, it's just a pain in the ass. |
| 17:24.19 | Lunessa | http://failblog.org/2010/02/25/sign-win-3/ |
| 17:24.46 | DWSR | Nadab an Abihu litted they sensas on fiah, an smellies, an gived it to Ceiling Cat. Ceiling Cat was laik: âDO NOT WANTâ.2 Ceiling Cat eated them, but lieked cheezburgerz btr3 Moses was laik: âWTG Ceiling Cat! Ceiling Cat rox!â Aaron was laik: ââ¦â. |
| 17:24.46 | DWSR | 4 Moses was laik âMishael an Elzaphan, you gota git yoer rellies outta here.â5 An they did. |
| 17:24.52 | Taroven | btw, repeating earlier question for live WoW: Is it possible to use a border texture via frame:CreateTexture (allowing it to be placed on a different draw layer) in any sort of sane way? |
| 17:25.29 | nevcairiel | you can specify the draw layer of a texture, so why not? |
| 17:26.27 | alestane | Unclear on the concept: Client: âI do! Iâll pay in advance once the job is completed!â |
| 17:26.43 | Taroven | Can't specify a draw layer for a border created using SetBackdrop and that happens to be the only way I know of which sets the border texture up for ya |
| 17:27.38 | Taroven | Since the border is stuck on the BORDER layer and I'm finding the need to set its drawlayer to something higher, I suppose I'll have to find a way to recreate the border using CreateTexture instead of SetBackdrop. |
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| 17:28.12 | Taroven | Wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for a lot of borders having rounded edges -.- |
| 17:29.08 | nevcairiel | why do you need it to be higher? |
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| 17:30.09 | Taroven | Draw order control. |
| 17:30.46 | Taroven | Example: I'm creating two textures. One needs to be placed underneath the other or it looks all sorts of jacked up. |
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| 17:31.09 | alestane | ...sigh... http://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/392772921/client-indian-outsourcer-says-he-can-do-this |
| 17:31.40 | Taroven | Both frames are on the BACKGROUND interface layer, so the textures just appear in whatever order they want |
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| 17:32.03 | Fisker | awesome alestane |
| 17:32.32 | Fisker | i'd hire him on the spot for that deed |
| 17:32.44 | Taroven | Only solutions are to raise the interface layer of one frame (which will put it on the same layer as the frame it's being used as a backdrop for, causing more unintentional overlap) or to raise the drawlevel of the frame. |
| 17:32.55 | alestane | Designing an iPhone website entirely in Flash? Oh yeah. |
| 17:33.24 | durcyn | s/an iPhone/any/ |
| 17:33.26 | Taroven | Problem is that this texture is a child of a frame that uses SetBackdrop to draw a border, which is stuck on the BORDER drawlevel (second to BACKGROUND in reverse priority) |
| 17:33.31 | DWSR | http://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/411841499/next-time-we-meet-you-might-wear-something-a |
| 17:34.05 | Taroven | So pretty much, if I set the background's drawlevel to BORDER, the background overlaps the border, causing it to look funky. |
| 17:35.16 | Taroven | So basically... In order for this to look any sort of right, I need some fine control over the border's drawlevel... which means, at this point, finding out how to use a border texture in CreateTexture and have it still look right. |
| 17:36.15 | Taroven | I've already got everything I need to set the info from a SetBackdrop table, just have no idea what would be involved in getting that border texture to look right. |
| 17:36.25 | ZorbaTHut | I really don't like how WoW handles draw orders :( |
| 17:36.30 | Taroven | Neither do I. |
| 17:37.00 | Taroven | All this would need is SetFrameLevel equivalent for textures. |
| 17:37.00 | alestane | /headdesk... http://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/390795160/highlight |
| 17:37.14 | alestane | ..."All", you say. |
| 17:37.19 | Taroven | Seriously. |
| 17:37.50 | ZorbaTHut | I have my own GUI layer in my game framework that's heavily based upon WoW's frames |
| 17:37.57 | ZorbaTHut | it handles draw order *so much better* |
| 17:38.06 | Thunder_Child | "A client called complaining that she couldnât access the company website. When I get there, this is what she had typed in the URL field: âthe company websiteâ." that would be an awesome redirect |
| 17:38.07 | Taroven | Either that, or the ability to set a backdrop border's drawlayer. |
| 17:38.47 | Taroven | ZorbaTHut: I would kill for a Lua framework that uses something like that. |
| 17:39.18 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi |
| 17:39.21 | Taroven | wxLua is nice and all but I find it near unusable... |
| 17:39.32 | Lopeppeppy | no yping, just cuddling |
| 17:39.42 | ZorbaTHut | taroven, mine isn't really built for standard windows GUIs, it's intended for games that do all their own rendering |
| 17:39.57 | ZorbaTHut | works pretty well though |
| 17:40.08 | Taroven | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, I figured that, I'm just being wishful =P |
| 17:40.17 | ZorbaTHut | 816 lines of code and supports several more powerful generalizations of WoW's layout schema :D |
| 17:40.34 | Taroven | Noice. Lua or C? |
| 17:40.43 | ZorbaTHut | lua, embedded in a C++ program |
| 17:40.47 | Taroven | Yummy. |
| 17:41.07 | ZorbaTHut | it's part of my general game framework that is, in theory, eventually going to end up ported to win/osx/linux/iphone/android/winmobile |
| 17:41.08 | Taroven | Lemme know if you can figure out a way to get it working with the windows GUI XD |
| 17:41.20 | ZorbaTHut | not planning to bother. ;) |
| 17:41.24 | Taroven | Awwww. |
| 17:41.44 | ZorbaTHut | as I said, it's for games. that means opengl-accelerated windows and fullscreen devices |
| 17:41.53 | ZorbaTHut | I just don't care about win32 windows. |
| 17:42.34 | Taroven | Yeah. I've got a lot of niche interests. |
| 17:42.39 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: So you're just here to back in our company? |
| 17:42.54 | Milyardo | Modern MFC control have Hardware acceleration via DirectX |
| 17:42.59 | Milyardo | *controls |
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| 17:44.23 | ZorbaTHut | milyardo, true, but instead of it being "i control the rendering", it's "i tell Windows to make a window and do all its magic" |
| 17:44.31 | Lunessa | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Texts-From-Areacode-845.html |
| 17:44.32 | Taroven | Hmmm... might be able to pull this off with gratuitous SetTexCoord abuse. |
| 17:46.02 | Lopeppeppy | yes, not on drugs alone |
| 17:46.30 | alestane | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 17:48.11 | alestane | Lunessa: My favorite out of that collection: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-13823.html |
| 17:48.41 | Lunessa | You're missing the point, dude. Bwahahahaha |
| 17:48.45 | Shadowed | haha |
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| 17:50.02 | alestane | 'When I told my mom I was having a rough time, she responded with "pop a xanax, take a nap, and when you wake up all will be right with the world." My mom is finally starting to shape up.' |
| 17:50.53 | Lunessa | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-14096.html |
| 17:51.16 | alestane | > "I developed a drinking game for WoW. Everytime I die, I take a shot." |
| 17:51.16 | alestane | < "Please get laid." |
| 17:52.54 | ZorbaTHut | just wait until his raid's druids hear about that |
| 17:53.00 | ZorbaTHut | he'll be taking three, four shots per wipe |
| 17:53.20 | alestane | "under NO circumstances is it acceptable to fist pump to taylor swift" |
| 17:53.31 | Shadowed | That's always aceptable |
| 17:53.38 | Shadowed | you just might be made fun of for the rest of your life |
| 17:54.08 | alestane | "hes so high that he's convinced hes a duck. hes squating in the bathtub quacking. that was NOT JUST pot." |
| 17:54.30 | theorbtwo | sighs. |
| 17:54.44 | theorbtwo | When, oh when, will pot be legalized and subject to quality checks? |
| 17:55.18 | Shadowed | checks time |
| 17:55.23 | Shadowed | between never, and infinite never |
| 17:55.24 | ZorbaTHut | theorb, already is, if you're in California |
| 17:56.01 | Shadowed | It's not legalized in California last I checked |
| 17:56.05 | alestane | "I wish alcohol would automatically work as birth control if you have sex drunk." |
| 17:56.08 | Shadowed | it's more "We won't actively go after you" |
| 17:56.14 | theorbtwo | ZorbaTHut: Fair enough. |
| 17:56.16 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, it's legal on a state level |
| 17:56.26 | theorbtwo | Shadowed: It's legal, if you have a perscription. |
| 17:56.32 | theorbtwo | ZorbaTHut: Not the same thing. |
| 17:56.41 | Shadowed | borderline legal |
| 17:56.41 | ZorbaTHut | it's still illegal federally, but they've said that they won't go after anyone |
| 17:56.50 | ZorbaTHut | theorb, note that "a prescription" is pretty much trivial to get. |
| 17:57.06 | ZorbaTHut | for example, you go to the doctor and say "yes I am stressed" and they say "here is your prescription for pot". |
| 17:57.08 | alestane | Some people should not be allowed to do graphic design... |
| 17:57.09 | theorbtwo | ZorbaTHut: Good. |
| 17:57.17 | alestane | http://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/387468268/client-can-you-make-the-background-of-the-page |
| 17:57.33 | Shadowed | haha |
| 17:57.37 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's quite good too, but it does mean that "if you have a prescription" is really only a technicality. it's basically "it's legal if you have $100 to blow per year on the card". |
| 17:58.48 | alestane | Client: âItâs a great design. Beautiful, classic, elegant and sleek. It hits everything on our wish list, can we add in some cheetah or leopard print?â |
| 17:59.36 | ZorbaTHut | oh man, this website keeps getting better |
| 17:59.40 | ZorbaTHut | "Here is some hair I cut off of my poodle. Make my fabric match my poodle." |
| 17:59.52 | theorbtwo | ZorbaTHut: OTOH, I have heard of a doctor getting busted for bad scrips. |
| 17:59.52 | alestane | O. M. G. http://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/385683509/client-we-want-to-show-one-of-our-industrial |
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| 18:00.56 | Lopeppeppy | i love cfh |
| 18:01.00 | ZorbaTHut | theorb, the only one I've heard of was one who was actually smoking it with the patients |
| 18:01.43 | Shadowed | haha alestane |
| 18:04.11 | Fisker | http://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/384197123/the-board-is-not-willing-to-pay-for-website-during win |
| 18:04.37 | Shadowed | Web designers are modern day slaves |
| 18:04.58 | Shadowed | if you believe clintsfromhell |
| 18:05.48 | Shadowed | haha |
| 18:05.57 | Shadowed | I like how Bashiok posted a photo of the community team to photobucket |
| 18:06.48 | nevcairiel | it was out of bandwidth after an hour or so |
| 18:07.10 | Shadowed | An hour? Longer than I'd expect |
| 18:08.15 | alestane | ...Can't find a transcription of the Frantics' "Architecture Today", sadly. |
| 18:09.06 | DWSR | Above all, when you redesign the website, I donât want any HTML in it. Iâm tired of dealing with all the hassles of HTML. |
| 18:10.21 | cbreak | a single picture? |
| 18:10.24 | cbreak | XHTML? |
| 18:10.29 | cbreak | ... PDF? :/ |
| 18:10.45 | Shadowed | text |
| 18:10.48 | theorbtwo | Just make the whole thing a big flash applet. |
| 18:10.49 | Shadowed | with spaces for positioning |
| 18:11.07 | cbreak | flash is so last century |
| 18:11.25 | cbreak | only way it advances is with new security holes |
| 18:11.41 | ZorbaTHut | personally I make all my websites giant animated GIFs |
| 18:11.53 | ZorbaTHut | For product information, wait thirty seconds. |
| 18:11.57 | ZorbaTHut | For contact information, wait three minutes. |
| 18:14.05 | cbreak | sounds like you come from a phone customer service background |
| 18:14.08 | cbreak | or TeleText |
| 18:15.23 | alestane | "Mock up looks nice, but do you think you can make it in 4D?" |
| 18:15.41 | Ackis | anyone here able to approve stories on N4G? |
| 18:15.51 | haste | alestane: "I know what I'm talking about" |
| 18:16.41 | Lopeppeppy | ackis, do good? |
| 18:17.05 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: haven't had it yet |
| 18:17.08 | Ackis | mouth already dry |
| 18:17.23 | Ackis | last interview was so much better, I had no idea what job I was being interviewed for |
| 18:18.20 | Seerah | So I thought I'd entertain myself while finishing my lunch by reading through the latest on Clients From Hell. Then I read this: "Designers should refer all these ourageous clients tohttp://www.norcalis.com/ " It's like a car wreck. You can't look away.... |
| 18:18.20 | DWSR | I want the cover to be a black SUV driving through a field of flowers towards a mountain with a fishing pole sticking out the back window⦠oh and the sky needs to be tie-died. |
| 18:18.41 | DWSR | Seerah: Yeah, I saw that. |
| 18:18.52 | Shadowed | norcalis got linked a few days ago, you're late Seerah ! |
| 18:19.25 | Seerah | ~lart Shadowed |
| 18:19.25 | purl | squishes Shadowed like a bug |
| 18:19.31 | Shadowed | can't squish shadows |
| 18:19.34 | Shadowed | silly Seerah |
| 18:20.05 | Shirik | ~lart Shadowed |
| 18:20.05 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags Shadowed into court suing for $200 million |
| 18:20.09 | Seerah | but you're not "shadows", you're "shadowed". There's just something blocking your light. |
| 18:20.11 | Shadowed | that you can do |
| 18:20.28 | Shadowed | Shirik: I can sell you Seerah, is she worth $200 million? |
| 18:20.31 | DWSR | ~whalenuke Shadowed |
| 18:20.32 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Shadowed with his mind powers. |
| 18:20.37 | Shirik | $200 million would be a bargain |
| 18:20.41 | Shadowed | sold then |
| 18:20.42 | Shirik | worth much more |
| 18:20.47 | Lopeppeppy | ackis, breathe |
| 18:20.53 | DWSR | Deeply. |
| 18:20.58 | DWSR | And slowly. |
| 18:21.07 | DWSR | Also, paper bag works really well. |
| 18:21.11 | Seerah | Shirik > Shadowed |
| 18:21.18 | Shirik | :D |
| 18:21.22 | Shadowed | A comes before I Seerah |
| 18:21.36 | Shirik | lua> "Shirik" > "Shadowed" |
| 18:21.38 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 18:21.47 | Seerah | :) |
| 18:21.50 | Shadowed | sorting is the one true rule |
| 18:21.53 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I am, also have some tea to drink right now :) |
| 18:21.59 | Shadowed | which puts seerah -> me -> shirik |
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| 18:22.14 | Lopeppeppy | not too muc, have to pee |
| 18:22.20 | Ackis | lua "Ackis" > "Shirik" |
| 18:22.22 | DWSR | lua> "DWSR" > "Shirik" |
| 18:22.24 | lua_bot | DWSR: false |
| 18:22.25 | Ackis | oops |
| 18:22.28 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 18:22.38 | theorbtwo | lua> "theorbtwo" > "DWSR" |
| 18:22.39 | lua_bot | theorbtwo: true |
| 18:22.40 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 18:22.45 | theorbtwo | Lowercase FTW! |
| 18:22.49 | DWSR | mhm. |
| 18:23.20 | Fisker | lua> "fisker" > "Ackis" |
| 18:23.21 | lua_bot | Fisker: true |
| 18:23.25 | Fisker | lua> "Fisker" > "Ackis" |
| 18:23.29 | lua_bot | Fisker: true |
| 18:23.42 | Ackis | lulz :P |
| 18:23.53 | DWSR | wait, how does lua sort strings? |
| 18:24.00 | Shadowed | With magic? |
| 18:24.07 | alestane | Thunder! |
| 18:24.10 | Shadowed | and lightning! |
| 18:24.11 | theorbtwo | assumed asciibetical order. |
| 18:24.25 | theorbtwo | (Or, you know, unicodabetical, but that's less punny.) |
| 18:24.38 | Shadowed | asciibetical is a fun word to say |
| 18:24.44 | Thunder_Child | i hate you alestane |
| 18:24.44 | theorbtwo | lua> "A" < "a" |
| 18:24.47 | lua_bot | theorbtwo: true |
| 18:25.25 | alestane | Sorry, didn't mean to ping you...just wasn't expecting to hear thunder in February. |
| 18:25.28 | DWSR | lua> "D" > "S" |
| 18:25.32 | lua_bot | DWSR: false |
| 18:25.36 | DWSR | O.o? |
| 18:25.41 | Shadowed | Thunder_Child: Thunder pings you? |
| 18:25.50 | Ackis | Thunder pings Thunder_Child? |
| 18:25.54 | Ackis | does TC ping you too? |
| 18:25.58 | DWSR | Eat thunder, SHIT LIGHTNING |
| 18:26.41 | DWSR | theorbtwo: Isn't D before S in the asciibet? |
| 18:26.56 | Thunder_Child | i hate you all |
| 18:27.01 | Shadowed | But we love you |
| 18:27.06 | theorbtwo | D is before S. Thus, "D" < "S". |
| 18:27.12 | DWSR | Ah, yes. |
| 18:27.13 | DWSR | Nevermind. |
| 18:27.15 | DWSR | Duh |
| 18:27.15 | Shadowed | ~love Thunder_Child |
| 18:27.16 | purl | If you love Thunder_Child so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 18:27.16 | Thunder_Child | sure you do |
| 18:27.23 | Shadowed | well maybe not THAT much |
| 18:27.25 | DWSR | "it" lulz. |
| 18:27.58 | alestane | Unclear on the concept: "We shouldnât have to pay you for this, because if we had the resources in-house, weâd be able to do it for free." |
| 18:28.29 | Shadowed | Salaries are someone elses budget clearly |
| 18:41.25 | Ackis | http://n4g.com/News-482606.aspx Civ 5 trailer :D |
| 18:43.54 | alestane | "OK, I was thinking that Stopcasting also terminates the GCD. Seems like a bug to me.. Stopcasting should interrupt anyting that's in progress and make the next spell runnable. No point in having a GCD if the interrupted spell doesn't execute.. " ...what? |
| 18:44.21 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 18:44.35 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:44.43 | Lopeppeppy | stupid should hurt |
| 18:44.54 | nevcairiel | that really made me laugh irl, not much does that |
| 18:45.57 | Seerah | rofl |
| 18:46.38 | Shadowed | alestane: that logic makes me head hur |
| 18:46.39 | Shadowed | t |
| 18:47.00 | Thrae | Grrrr J-Micron controller keeps having kernel wait issues (I think, I hope) |
| 18:47.46 | Shadowed | wheee server dying again |
| 18:47.47 | Shadowed | yay |
| 18:50.34 | foxlit | Meh, they broke armory spec display :( |
| 18:53.57 | haste | Thrae: the SSD thingy? |
| 18:54.13 | haste | (because I think that's a known easy with those controllers) |
| 18:54.37 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: j-micron chips are known to be low quality |
| 18:59.07 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Yeah I know. But it -could- also be this Seagate 1.5TB drive, which, although it has the supposed needed firmware update, was known to freeze occasionally (and degrade RAIDs) before the firmware update. Which is why I put the crappy drive on an equally crappy controller. Storage only. I am just praying this new VelicoRaptor I put in a RAID0 and/or ICH10R aren't causing the blocked waits. |
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| 19:00.55 | DWSR | alestane: rofl |
| 19:01.10 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: I'm also doing a /MOVE instead of a standard copy with robocopy. Probably should have just copied first. |
| 19:01.19 | DWSR | stopcasting terminating the gcd? could you imagine? |
| 19:06.09 | alestane | Okay, this I could get behind...this guy's putting cheescake filling in tortillas, rolling them up and deep-frying them. |
| 19:06.33 | Lopeppeppy | who gut? |
| 19:06.41 | Lopeppeppy | guy even |
| 19:07.26 | alestane | Unfortunately, he's in Kansas. Richard Sanell, owner of Cafe on the Route. |
| 19:12.33 | Fisker | do not want Ackis |
| 19:12.36 | Fisker | though it's lol |
| 19:12.43 | Fisker | they atleast stopped using DRM in their borderlands DLC |
| 19:12.56 | Fisker | YOU NEED ONLINE + LIMITED ACTIVATIONS FOR DLC!1 |
| 19:13.02 | Ackis | they did? I've refused to get any of them for the xbox yet |
| 19:13.15 | Fisker | xbox don't have drm |
| 19:13.16 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: He also makes potato salad out or deep-fried potatoes. |
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| 19:13.25 | Fisker | because it can't be cracked |
| 19:13.51 | Lopeppeppy | i got an all-edge brownie pan. nooooooom |
| 19:14.00 | Fisker | consoles can't be cracked Lopeppeppy |
| 19:14.00 | Ackis | it can, but I refuse to pay $10 * 3 for a game I paid $40 for |
| 19:14.02 | Fisker | admit it |
| 19:14.20 | Fisker | DLC3 is nice because of new levelcap and new weapons |
| 19:14.21 | alestane | One of those "Perfect Brownie Pans", or something different? |
| 19:15.27 | Lopeppeppy | um, think geek all edgrs channel pan, go see it |
| 19:15.31 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: http://cuteoverload.com/2010/02/26/make-no-mistake-the-cat-did-it/5-8/ lol |
| 19:16.35 | Ackis | this morning when I woke up, just after I put my feet on the floor they were attacked by an assassin cat under the bed |
| 19:16.49 | Ackis | then one of the buggers stole my fiancee's socks and ran off with them lol |
| 19:16.58 | Arrowmaster | did you fight back? |
| 19:17.27 | Lopeppeppy | can't fight ninja cat |
| 19:17.33 | Ackis | there was no way in hell I was going to stick my hand under the bed |
| 19:17.36 | Ackis | I'd lose it! |
| 19:17.53 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 19:18.32 | alestane | That's an interesting pan. |
| 19:20.12 | alestane | I've got nothing against middle pieces though. |
| 19:21.04 | Lopeppeppy | all brownies cooked, no overcookrd edges with runny middle, noooooooooooooooom |
| 19:21.19 | Seerah | mmm.... runny gooey middle.... |
| 19:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | is good sometimes too. i loves chewy but not gooey |
| 19:24.25 | kenuvis | I have a little question, what event trigger, if i change the area a large text is shown in the middle of the screen (e.g. "Stormwind" or "Shattrath") in the colour of the owner of the entering area |
| 19:25.03 | Kraps | how much snow can a city take? :( |
| 19:25.11 | Arrowmaster | !api zone_changed |
| 19:25.13 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'zone_changed': ZONE_CHANGED_INDOORS, ZONE_CHANGED, ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA |
| 19:25.18 | Lopeppeppy | tons |
| 19:25.18 | Seerah | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events |
| 19:25.34 | Lopeppeppy | how much ypu got? |
| 19:25.38 | Dagmar | Slightly less than it takes to undergo a name change to "The Lost City Of __________" |
| 19:25.57 | kenuvis | oh thanks, pretty nice list *save as bookmark* |
| 19:26.23 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: tons :p |
| 19:26.49 | Lopeppeppy | we got 2 ft 2 days ago, now it's raining=flood |
| 19:27.04 | Lopeppeppy | wowprogramming.com kicks ass |
| 19:27.05 | Dagmar | Just remember, if your city has streetside parking, snowplows are no longer your friend. |
| 19:27.06 | Kraps | oy |
| 19:28.16 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: streetside parking on both side and the street isnt a two lane street, ive been trapped in the drive way packed behind my moms car for weeks |
| 19:28.40 | Dagmar | It beats getting the side of your vehicle gnawed off by a snowplow |
| 19:28.52 | Arrowmaster | i have to play musical cars |
| 19:29.33 | Dagmar | A friend of mine is a wee bit peevish at the moment because his Prius was mauled by a snowplow |
| 19:29.36 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: is it raining or is there... thunder /giggle |
| 19:30.34 | Lopeppeppy | mean! |
| 19:30.40 | Lopeppeppy | drippy rain |
| 19:30.42 | Ackis | :D |
| 19:31.24 | Dagmar | If NJ is getting all this snow, I want to know what's being done to save the poor, poor pine weasels. |
| 19:33.22 | Lopeppeppy | mmm, kebab |
| 19:36.28 | Ackis | Kaelten: http://consumerist.com/2010/02/tax-tips-for-gay-couples.html |
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| 19:40.10 | DWSR | Ackis: Are you trying to indirectly say something to Kaelten |
| 19:40.26 | Ackis | who? me? |
| 19:40.31 | Ackis | whistles innocently. |
| 19:40.38 | DWSR | That's what I thought. |
| 19:44.16 | TC|meh | we all know Ackis is guilty |
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| 19:58.51 | foxlit | Ackis: a blog linking to a blog? |
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| 20:09.08 | Kraps | suddenly realizes the impact flying will have on his OL leveling and blows his own mind |
| 20:10.19 | alestane | OL == Outland? |
| 20:10.23 | alestane | Yes, yes it does. |
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| 20:11.18 | Fisker | not having to worry about fel reavers and aggro on a horsemount = epic |
| 20:11.51 | Lopeppeppy | reavers are so sneaky |
| 20:15.09 | Fisker | you can't crack a console |
| 20:16.17 | foxlit | you wouldn't steal a fish, fisker. |
| 20:16.40 | foxlit | How's SC2 treating you? |
| 20:18.46 | cbreak | no os x version yet :( |
| 20:23.12 | foxlit | I'm apparently getting carried through 2v2 matches by random strangers |
| 20:23.33 | Thunder_Child | sc2 would be better with non region locked clients |
| 20:23.44 | foxlit | Yes, but, no |
| 20:24.07 | foxlit | On one side, you may want to play with your friends across the ocean, on the other, transatlantic lag. |
| 20:24.25 | foxlit | Already get not-amusing latency in some games :( |
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| 20:33.52 | mikma | GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FINLAND! |
| 20:33.59 | mikma | XXXXXXXXX |
| 20:33.59 | mikma | XXXXXXXXX |
| 20:34.17 | mikma | finland - usa : 0 - 6 |
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| 20:35.39 | durcyn | go nowhere, finland. good boy. |
| 20:40.24 | alestane | http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/Backward/Backward-2009-02-23.aspx |
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| 20:44.30 | Lunessa | The more I read the UI & M forum lately, the less inclined I am to help anyone. |
| 20:46.05 | alestane | I gloss over a lot of it. |
| 20:46.43 | alestane | I respond to people who either have an actual weird, interesting problem, or a question I can answer in an insignificant amount of time. |
| 20:47.45 | Shadowed | Does't help that most of it is something they could find if they searched or |
| 20:47.45 | alestane | I find this absolutely horrifying and completely plausible: http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/Backward/Backward-2008-06-05.aspx |
| 20:47.55 | Shadowed | "OH GOD WHY DOES MEMORY MAKE MY UI DIE :(" |
| 20:49.27 | mikma | http://i.imgur.com/K8068.jpg |
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| 20:51.20 | jadakren | its got electrolytes! |
| 20:51.34 | Lopeppeppy | sheer hate |
| 20:52.14 | alestane | Hate, Peppy? |
| 20:52.39 | Lopeppeppy | memory hate |
| 20:52.42 | jadakren | ultimate form of love |
| 20:58.02 | Fisker | this pisses me off |
| 20:58.13 | Fisker | offtanks get tombed just as he taunts sindragosa |
| 20:58.22 | Fisker | how lame is that? |
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| 21:02.38 | jadakren | even my cat doesn't play with the same ball or wool for more than three months.... playing the same dungeons for that long...crazy |
| 21:03.21 | jadakren | cat gets bored of the wool after only 5mins... |
| 21:03.39 | jadakren | maybe your offtank is a cat in real life fisker |
| 21:04.47 | Lopeppeppy | moose can keep a soda bottle top for weeks, endless fun |
| 21:05.20 | Dagmar | The plastic rings that are around the neck of the PTE milk jug is a _long_ time source of entertainment for cats |
| 21:07.18 | Lopeppeppy | they both love those! |
| 21:07.24 | alestane | Moose loves those too. |
| 21:07.42 | Lopeppeppy | and bread twist ties |
| 21:08.00 | alestane | I've seen her attempt to compress her entire body under the closet door because she trapped her milk strip back there. |
| 21:08.12 | alestane | Cats: Bones optional. |
| 21:11.32 | Lopeppeppy | very |
| 21:12.01 | alestane | Actually, I tell a lie, she didn't go quite that far while I was there. |
| 21:12.19 | Lopeppeppy | she has, trust me |
| 21:12.48 | Lopeppeppy | rosie found the bedroom window finally, very nice |
| 21:13.00 | Dagmar | Hmm... Okinawa shakey-shakey |
| 21:13.26 | alestane | And what is she doing with it? |
| 21:13.35 | Dagmar | I'll bet it's Mothra |
| 21:13.45 | Lopeppeppy | ring of fire is grumbly lately |
| 21:13.53 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Yes, I did read about Moose and the paper under the bookcase. |
| 21:13.57 | Lopeppeppy | viewing snowstorms |
| 21:14.45 | Lopeppeppy | i have pics of rosie sleeping on me this am |
| 21:15.31 | alestane | Aw, kitties! |
| 21:16.29 | Lopeppeppy | purring increases healing power |
| 21:16.38 | alestane | Well-known fact. |
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| 21:19.43 | alestane | Figures. The first day I miss class due to illness and every one of my students shows up. |
| 21:20.36 | Fisker | this motherfucking fucking fucktard fucking retarded |
| 21:20.47 | Fisker | sindragosa on 5% we need a tank switch |
| 21:21.01 | Fisker | ice tomb on offtank, ok we burn everything to get it off him, he taunts, icetomb on him again |
| 21:21.03 | Fisker | wtf? |
| 21:21.09 | Fisker | and then mt gets oneshotted |
| 21:23.08 | Dagmar | You have a hunter?> |
| 21:23.21 | Dagmar | He *should* be able to free the OT with Master's Call |
| 21:23.29 | amro | Fisker: clearly, your offtank's gs is too low |
| 21:23.31 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/691/ This goes to kind of a weird place at the end. |
| 21:23.32 | Dagmar | Somewhat suicidal, but it can work |
| 21:23.40 | Fisker | i rage |
| 21:23.49 | Fisker | how can he do that Dagmar ? |
| 21:24.12 | Dagmar | Master's Call gets you out of literally *any* kind of crowd control. |
| 21:24.38 | Dagmar | The pet free's itself and then darts over to free the target. The only limitation is that basically everyone's _proably_ got to be within 35 feet of each other |
| 21:24.48 | Dagmar | s/free's/frees/; |
| 21:25.04 | Dagmar | I have (foolishly) used it to escape the ice tombs |
| 21:25.17 | Dagmar | A wee bit too much sake that night |
| 21:25.26 | Fisker | so it seriously works? |
| 21:25.29 | Fisker | sweet |
| 21:25.40 | Dagmar | You know people typically want to stand behind those things. |
| 21:26.36 | Fisker | not in phase 3 at 5% with the MT getting it |
| 21:26.44 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 21:27.06 | Dagmar | Yeah at 5% I'd just say 'scrooit' and take a little ice damage |
| 21:29.07 | krka | it's random.... but it's also awesome: http://www.tv.com/video/107/101/17005/# |
| 21:32.42 | amro | I'd say it's random, but also random |
| 21:32.58 | robotusch | Fusker, we sort of had that on our Sindy kill the other night |
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| 21:33.16 | robotusch | I had reset my stacks and were going in to taunt, when I got marked instead :< |
| 21:33.28 | krka | did you mean to say it's awesome, but also awesome? |
| 21:37.06 | Fisker | doesn't work anymore Dagmar :( |
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| 21:55.02 | Fisker | btw msn robotusch |
| 21:55.39 | DWSR | Ok, can someone please explain to me obesity. |
| 21:55.48 | DWSR | And that is an honest to god question. |
| 21:56.57 | alestane | What it is, why it happens, or some other form of explanation? |
| 21:57.11 | DWSR | Why people allow themselves to be obese? |
| 21:57.29 | alestane | There are many reasons. |
| 21:57.34 | DWSR | I'm currently on the train sitting beside someone who is consuming all of their seat and 1/3rd of mine. |
| 21:57.54 | jadakren | mostly lazyness |
| 21:58.02 | DWSR | And I'm wondering why a) I should put up with this and b) If I can get a refund for the 1/3rd of the seat I'm not getting. |
| 21:58.14 | DWSR | What's the airline that actually kicks fat people off? |
| 21:58.26 | jadakren | ActhungAirlines |
| 21:58.55 | Ackis | http://consumerist.com/2010/02/no-apple-hasnt-really-sold-10-billion-songs-on-itunes.html |
| 21:59.07 | Lopeppeppy | southwest? |
| 21:59.09 | jadakren | things you do when banned aye? |
| 21:59.41 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Yes. |
| 21:59.43 | DWSR | Then. |
| 21:59.45 | DWSR | them* |
| 21:59.54 | DWSR | Other transit companies need to follow that example. |
| 22:00.29 | DWSR | I have nothing against fat people, I know a lot of them. They're not fat enough to be inconvenient to other people. |
| 22:00.42 | DWSR | This is madness. |
| 22:02.01 | Ackis | are you guys talking about Kevin Smith? |
| 22:02.07 | DWSR | No. |
| 22:02.23 | DWSR | I'm talking about the horizontally challenged person beside me. |
| 22:02.25 | alestane | Sometimes it's values; sometimes it's lack of purpose; sometimes it's a challenge of metabolism. |
| 22:02.37 | DWSR | alestane: I'll give you the last one. |
| 22:02.40 | Ackis | obesity -> southwest airlines -> kevin smith getting kicked off of a SWA plane for being too fat? |
| 22:03.19 | DWSR | Ackis: I don't know exactly how fat he is, but if he was taking up two seats, fuck yeah he should be off or paying for an extra seat. |
| 22:03.24 | Ackis | btw I think I did well in the interview, went for over an hour |
| 22:03.34 | Ackis | DWSR: the arm rests came down :P |
| 22:03.37 | DWSR | Ackis: Oh, right. I forgot. Congrats :) |
| 22:03.43 | Ackis | you don't know who kevin smith is? |
| 22:03.49 | DWSR | Ackis: I know who he is. I haven't seen a recent picture. |
| 22:03.58 | alestane | My wife, for instance, tried an extremely reduced diet for several weeks and lost a half a pound. It was only after she significantly reduced her carbohydrate intake that her weight started to diminish. |
| 22:04.10 | Ackis | only bad thing I think is that they never asked for references |
| 22:04.12 | alestane | I, on the other, seem to have a more linear relationship to my calories. |
| 22:04.14 | jadakren | slow metabolism + no exercise + bad food = large person |
| 22:04.32 | Ackis | but they said there's a second interview |
| 22:04.48 | DWSR | Ackis: Prelim interviews are usually pretty brief. What are you applying for? |
| 22:04.58 | Ackis | information security officer |
| 22:05.00 | Ackis | it was over an hour long |
| 22:05.10 | alestane | Part of it is deliberately inflicted on us by food industry marketing, which attempts to pitch agricultural/blue-collar appetites to an information-age population. |
| 22:05.14 | DWSR | That would be brief for an ITSec position. |
| 22:05.27 | DWSR | alestane: Alright, I'll buy some of that as well. |
| 22:05.49 | DWSR | The piont I'm getting at: When you're inconveniencing other people *and you know it*, it's time to do something. |
| 22:06.07 | Ackis | http://twitter.com/dragonage/status/9698746534 |
| 22:06.08 | DWSR | s/people/people with big you are/ |
| 22:06.22 | alestane | And some of those people are trying to do something, and haven't found the right something yet. |
| 22:06.30 | DWSR | Ackis: Spellfail. |
| 22:06.48 | alestane | Most of them are quite aware that they're heavy, and few of them are pleased with it. |
| 22:07.14 | alestane | But in contemporary society, a great deal of our eating has nothing to do with hunger. |
| 22:07.32 | Fisker | robotusch msn |
| 22:07.39 | DWSR | alestane: There's overweight and then there's obese. You definitely have to go through a stint as the former before you become the later.\ |
| 22:07.40 | DWSR | latter* |
| 22:08.03 | alestane | I used to deal with being bored at work by walking down to the CVS for a candy bar. I wasn't hungry, I didn't even really want a candy bar that much, but it was a way to get out of my rut for a few minutes. |
| 22:08.16 | DWSR | So, barring some physiological(sp?) reason, you're just plain lazy if you're that large. |
| 22:08.17 | batbot | DWSR, physiological is correct. |
| 22:08.22 | amro | alestane: snacks are my favorite pastime |
| 22:08.24 | Lunessa | And I'm pretty sure that DWSR would label a great many of the regulars here in this channel as "obese." |
| 22:08.36 | Ackis | Fisker deals with bordom by eating cock |
| 22:08.40 | DWSR | alestane: So go for a walk and go to the bathroom. |
| 22:08.47 | amro | though I am underweight for my height |
| 22:09.32 | Lopeppeppy | mile, someone elses's shoes, glass houses. |
| 22:09.46 | alestane | So yeah, those physiological reasons can be much subtler than is currently believed wide-spread. |
| 22:09.58 | Fisker | why so bicurious Ackis ? |
| 22:10.21 | amro | why so Fisker Fisker? |
| 22:10.23 | alestane | Many obese people (and yes, I realize this sounds stupid to a lot of people) actually don't know how not to be obese. |
| 22:10.28 | Fisker | why so amro amro? |
| 22:10.30 | Ackis | âWe like the woman in the wheelchair, but we donât want people to think being in a wheelchair makes her less feminine. You need to make her breasts larger.â |
| 22:10.40 | amro | cause amro > Fisker |
| 22:10.48 | alestane | Ackis: WTFityFingF? |
| 22:11.11 | Ackis | alestane: clients from hell |
| 22:11.18 | DWSR | Get a drink of water. |
| 22:11.26 | DWSR | Lunessa: As I said, I do clearly make the distinction between overweight (i.e. fat) and obese. The picture I saw the other day didn't have anyone I would consider obese. |
| 22:12.07 | amro | there's a difference in the US though |
| 22:12.08 | DWSR | Lunessa: That being said, have you ever watched the Half Tonne Man on TLC? |
| 22:12.14 | Ackis | DWSR hates obese people |
| 22:12.17 | amro | fat in the US would be considered obese elsewhere |
| 22:12.25 | Lunessa | I consider myself to be fat. But I'm pretty sure Sothwest wouldn't ask me to pay for 2 seats, or throw me off the plane. |
| 22:12.56 | Lunessa | DWSR: No, the only thing I've ever liked on TLC is the show "Trading Spaces" |
| 22:13.09 | alestane | WHO defines obesity as having a BMI >= 30. |
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| 22:13.25 | Lunessa | WHO would call me obese. |
| 22:13.43 | amro | probably Fisker |
| 22:13.47 | alestane | That is, your mass in kilograms over the square of your height in meters. |
| 22:13.57 | DWSR | alestane: The WHO no longer uses BMI. |
| 22:14.24 | DWSR | Hip to waist ratio is what's used now. |
| 22:14.33 | DWSR | iirc, anyway. |
| 22:14.36 | zenzelezz | I didn't know The Who used BMI in the first place |
| 22:14.46 | Lopeppeppy | WHO is so full of shit they can model for enema posters |
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| 22:15.55 | alestane | The Wikipedia article may be out of date then. It also lists three classes of obesity. |
| 22:17.00 | DWSR | zenzelezz: World Health Organization. |
| 22:17.23 | Ackis | who? |
| 22:17.24 | DWSR | ping |
| 22:17.24 | Ackis | hugh! |
| 22:17.26 | Ackis | who? |
| 22:17.29 | Ackis | lulz |
| 22:17.56 | zenzelezz | DWSR: you need to stop assuming I'm misunderstanding |
| 22:18.07 | zenzelezz | (or ruining my word play, whichever) |
| 22:18.27 | Ackis | http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/5.jpg?w=560&h=437 |
| 22:19.12 | DWSR | zenzelezz: The latter. |
| 22:20.42 | alestane | They also mention that different areas have different definitions of obesity, since it's usually regarded as meaning "overweight enough to have a severe negative effect on your health." Japan now starts it at 25 BMI, because Asians develop health issues faster as their weight increases than caucasians do. |
| 22:21.33 | Lopeppeppy | cultural differednces too |
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| 22:23.56 | alestane | And the fact that some people are just short and stocky, which throws numbers like that off (probably part of the reason it's being discarded). Body fat percentage is probably more accurate, but harder to calculate quickly. |
| 22:24.50 | Ackis | Dutch == Netherlands? |
| 22:24.56 | alestane | Ackis: Yes. |
| 22:25.06 | Ackis | Fisker == Dutch? |
| 22:25.13 | alestane | Danish, I thought. |
| 22:25.44 | Ackis | I'm ashamed to say, I don't quite know the geography over in that part of Europe |
| 22:26.00 | alestane | Denmark is north of Germany and south of Norway. |
| 22:26.47 | Ackis | ahh and Netherlands is NW of Germany |
| 22:27.02 | alestane | And NE of Belgium, IIRC. |
| 22:27.17 | Ackis | yes |
| 22:27.25 | Ackis | (googled a map when I realized my geography was terrible) |
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| 22:27.28 | alestane | Can you at least tell me which one is Kansas without looking it up? |
| 22:27.58 | Ackis | that's a state isn't it? |
| 22:28.03 | alestane | Yes it is. |
| 22:28.15 | alestane | Can you name one adjacent state and which border it's on? |
| 22:28.46 | Ackis | I thought it was by Arkansas (sp?) but I couldn't place it on a map, I know about 20 states I think at last test |
| 22:28.46 | batbot | Ackis, Arkansas is correct. |
| 22:29.01 | Lopeppeppy | ding ding |
| 22:29.10 | Ackis | I can however tell you where the 10 provinces and 3 territories in Canada are located :P |
| 22:29.11 | alestane | Let me clarify for my own sake. Are you American? |
| 22:29.18 | alestane | Ah, Canadian? |
| 22:29.23 | Ackis | yes Canadian |
| 22:29.40 | alestane | Okay, I'll forgive ignorance of US geography more in an extranational. |
| 22:29.47 | Ackis | so that's why I don't know where the 50/51/52 states are |
| 22:29.55 | Lunessa | Ackis if it makes you feel any better, I can't name all the Canadian provinces either. Mostly, I quit caring about Canada 'cause you coddle the imitation french. |
| 22:30.07 | alestane | The number of actual states is still 50. |
| 22:30.09 | Ackis | lol |
| 22:30.18 | Ackis | alestane: I know, I was trying to make a bad joke :D |
| 22:30.34 | alestane | Although we have several faux states, like the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico. |
| 22:30.53 | Lunessa | And we have several "protectorates" as well. |
| 22:30.58 | Ackis | what really confuses me with states is that a lot of them are really smal |
| 22:31.00 | Ackis | *small |
| 22:31.53 | Lunessa | Size isn't really a factor in becoming a state. And most of the "small" states were colonies prior to the revolutionary war. |
| 22:32.09 | alestane | I do at least know that there ARE 10 provinces...Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia, British Columbia, the Yukon(?), the NW territories, Alberta, and about there I start getting stuck. |
| 22:32.16 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:32.18 | alestane | Most of the small states are in the NE, yes. |
| 22:32.39 | Ackis | alestane: about 5-10 years ago the NWT was split into two territories, so there are 10 provinces and 3 territories |
| 22:32.48 | Lunessa | Hawaii being a notable exeception. |
| 22:32.56 | Ackis | Yukon, NWT and Nunavut |
| 22:33.05 | alestane | And many of them exist for cultural reasons. Rhode Island, for instance, was founded expressly as a bastion for religious freedom. |
| 22:33.30 | alestane | Lunessa: And Hawaii doesn't really count, because its borders are defined by impermeable physicality. |
| 22:33.35 | Ackis | BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario (sucks), Quebec (sucks too), Newfoundland (they talk funny), Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, PEI |
| 22:33.56 | Lunessa | alestane: *nod* |
| 22:34.07 | alestane | Now, Manitoba I should have know. One of my aunts lived in Winnipeg for a few years. |
| 22:34.12 | alestane | known* |
| 22:34.19 | Ackis | alestane: the size issue was more about I have no idea where they are on a map |
| 22:34.23 | alestane | But for some reason I thought it was in Alberta. |
| 22:34.36 | Ackis | Alberta is the only province that matters really |
| 22:34.44 | alestane | Because you live there? |
| 22:34.47 | Ackis | Newfoundland is a close second, but that's because they're a bunch of crazy drunks |
| 22:35.07 | Ackis | Alberta is the only province with a standard of living higher than the average in the US |
| 22:35.25 | alestane | And the split in the territories is since I was in grade school, which is when they made me learn all this stuff. |
| 22:35.27 | Ackis | no debt, lowest taxes + I live here :D |
| 22:37.18 | Lunessa | I can honestly say I don't recall there ever being a focus on learning much about Canada in grade school. And only brief mentions of it in high school for conflicts relating to/resulting from the revolutionary war and the war of 1812. |
| 22:38.02 | alestane | BTW, Ackis, Kansas is north of Oklahoma, and west of Missouri. |
| 22:38.11 | alestane | Kansas City, paradoxically, is in Missouri proper, although it is close to the border. |
| 22:38.35 | Fisker | robotusch msn |
| 22:38.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought it was half and half? |
| 22:38.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ish |
| 22:39.42 | Lunessa | SBO You're thinking of Minneapolis/St. Paul. |
| 22:39.54 | ScytheBlade1 | No I'm thinking of Kansas City |
| 22:40.27 | alestane | Okay, My bad. There is a Kansas City in Kansas too. |
| 22:40.57 | alestane | They're across the river from each other. |
| 22:41.38 | alestane | But because they're in different states, they're technically separate cities (although it looks like some of the administration is shared throughout the greater metropolitan area). |
| 22:41.48 | ScytheBlade1 | http://i.imgur.com/WHIhV.jpg |
| 22:43.12 | alestane | However, the part in Missouri is much larger. Usually when people talk about Kansas City, they're referring to Missouri. |
| 22:45.41 | Ackis | Lunessa: that's one of the complaints we have, there's a lot of education in our schools about the US but more americans are ignorant about Canada. |
| 22:46.18 | Lunessa | Ackis: I think everyone can lodge that complaint. |
| 22:47.58 | amro | ^ |
| 22:48.42 | DWSR | sb1: lol at him pullingg out *another* pair of sunglasses |
| 22:48.56 | Ackis | Lunessa: not every country shares a border with the US |
| 22:49.02 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMOQnJ-SLHI&feature=player_embedded <-- simpsons related! |
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| 22:49.47 | Lunessa | Ackis: Well, maybe if you guys put on some fucking serapes and invaded, and killed a bunch of national heroes, we might care a little more. |
| 22:50.02 | Lopeppeppy | they did that once |
| 22:50.05 | Ackis | we burnt your whitehouse down, isn't that enough? |
| 22:50.10 | amro | I think US schools teach more about the Inuit than the rest of canada |
| 22:50.21 | Lunessa | Ackis: You had help. :P |
| 22:50.38 | Lunessa | The Mexicans did it all on their own. |
| 22:50.44 | alestane | amro: And that, mostly because I think we also have some in Alaska. |
| 22:50.59 | Ackis | man you guys got invaded by the mexicans? |
| 22:51.09 | Lopeppeppy | mmm, baked alaska |
| 22:51.15 | Lopeppeppy | yup. |
| 22:51.27 | amro | Ackis: seriously, who WOULDN'T have invaded the US in the 1800s? |
| 22:51.35 | Lunessa | Ackis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alamo |
| 22:51.58 | alestane | So a Texan, a Frenchman, an Englishman and a Mexican are on a plane, and the pilot tells them they're losing altitude and they have to lighten the plane, so they throw all the luggage overboard. |
| 22:52.06 | Lunessa | amro: I think pretty much every world player at the time tried. |
| 22:52.30 | Lunessa | Some even got pretty far along too. CF: War of 1812 |
| 22:53.31 | Lunessa | alestane: I know this one. |
| 22:53.32 | alestane | And a little while later he tells them it wasn't enough and after looking at each other for a few minutes, the Brit goes to the hatch, throws it open, yells "God Save the Queen" and throws himself out. |
| 22:53.32 | alestane | And there's a moment of silence after they get the hatch closed again, until finally the pilot tells them they're still losing altitude. |
| 22:53.57 | alestane | So the Frenchman cries "Viva la France!" and throws himself out of the plane. |
| 22:54.30 | alestane | Unfortunately, this still isn't enough. So finally the Texan gets up, bellows "Remember the Alamo!" and throws out the Mexican. |
| 22:54.52 | Lunessa | Remember the Alamo! |
| 22:55.00 | tekkub | is this the part where we laugh? |
| 22:55.15 | alestane | Laughing is strictly optional. |
| 22:55.18 | Ackis | I don't get it? |
| 22:55.19 | Lunessa | Only if you didn't bring rotten fruit. |
| 22:55.24 | alestane | Happiness, however, is mandatory. |
| 22:55.32 | alestane | Are you happy, citizen? |
| 22:55.46 | Lunessa | alestane: What is your security level, citizen? |
| 22:55.47 | alestane | Ackis: Patriotism has different forms for different people. |
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| 22:56.09 | Ackis | Kitty got the joke though! http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/5.jpg |
| 22:56.18 | Ackis | (that's the 3rd time I"ve linked that in IRC today btw) |
| 22:56.56 | Cide- | old |
| 22:57.08 | Dagmar | i <3 cuteoverload |
| 22:57.54 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/02/26/funny-pictures-cat-ill-hang-this/ |
| 22:57.56 | Ackis | lol I mentioned lolcats in my job interview today |
| 22:57.58 | Ackis | I just remembered |
| 22:58.15 | Cide- | gj |
| 22:58.19 | Lopeppeppy | ,,, |
| 22:58.32 | Ackis | :D |
| 22:58.53 | Lopeppeppy | nap npw |
| 22:59.10 | alestane | This level of ignorance disturbs me: http://notalwaysright.com/tricky-customers-are-just-killer-part-2/4462 |
| 22:59.19 | alestane | "now," Peppy? |
| 22:59.45 | alestane | Actually, I was asking you to explain "now", but I suspect I hit the nail on the head when I typoed. |
| 23:00.27 | alestane | You know, I think I have autocorrect turned on. |
| 23:01.04 | amro | or you can't make typos, ever. that's how good youa re |
| 23:01.49 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/blimey-guvnor-this-magazine-is-a-bloody-good-read/4446 WTF!? |
| 23:02.13 | DWSR | alestane: hehe. |
| 23:02.19 | DWSR | yeah, that one's pretty funny |
| 23:03.36 | Ackis | http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/5.jpg > not always right |
| 23:04.30 | alestane | Never the answer you want to hear: |
| 23:04.30 | alestane | > "Andrew is trying to convince me that i took your virginity. Please tell me he is lying." |
| 23:04.30 | alestane | < "define virginity." |
| 23:06.51 | DWSR | alestane: The better question is how did you not know? |
| 23:07.29 | alestane | DWSR: If I understand correctly, all manner of ignorances become possible once enough alcohol is involved. |
| 23:07.34 | alestane | Thankfully not me. |
| 23:07.52 | DWSR | alestane: I don't know, it's pretty obvious. |
| 23:08.41 | Shadowed | The cat looks creepy Ackis |
| 23:08.53 | Shadowed | I'm going to have nightmares now |
| 23:08.57 | Ackis | good |
| 23:09.03 | Ackis | I hope you wet the bed |
| 23:09.03 | DWSR | at least both of the times that it happened to me it was. |
| 23:09.03 | DWSR | Like painfully obvious. Literally. |
| 23:09.03 | DWSR | RT http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/S4atK761gVI/AAAAAAAALJQ/4o-Nli1rMqs/s1600-h/spiral.jpg |
| 23:09.15 | alestane | "I also used to turtle off the bat with Terran Bunkers at the chokepoint which, nine times out of ten, was enough to hold off that initial Zergling assault and let me get a formidible force built up. |
| 23:09.15 | alestane | "I tried that in Starcraft 2 and the new Terran Jetpack Marines taught me a lesson or two about base vulnerability." |
| 23:09.41 | ScytheBlade1 | it's true |
| 23:10.09 | Thunder_Child | no one seems to use base defenses anymore |
| 23:10.10 | alestane | My observation so far is been that there are so many workarounds strategies that I'm better off leaving the rocks in front of my base. |
| 23:10.14 | DWSR | alestane: TimCAD's Twitter feed. |
| 23:10.14 | DWSR | alestane: And yeah, definitely true. |
| 23:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | PS: supply depots by the chokepoint, bunker near the workerline. |
| 23:11.14 | alestane | Stalkers are great for crossing clifflines, or there's always deploying a warp prism on the other side and warping your units straight there (if you're playing Protoss). |
| 23:11.54 | DWSR | Did they add any water units in SC2? |
| 23:12.05 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 23:12.18 | alestane | But Terrans and Zerg have their own strategies...fly barracks over cliff, use overlords to spawn creep and Nydus outlets. |
| 23:12.19 | DWSR | guess they figure land/air is good enough? |
| 23:13.11 | alestane | The maps aren't usually large enough for the difference between naval and land combat to be worth exploring, I think. |
| 23:13.20 | DWSR | That's also true. |
| 23:13.31 | DWSR | I'm used to a larger scale RTS a la Age of Empires. |
| 23:13.41 | alestane | The dichotomy is only interesting if there are large enough areas of both. |
| 23:13.44 | amro | naval battles failed in AoE |
| 23:13.49 | ScytheBlade1 | AoE is kinda terrible though. |
| 23:13.59 | amro | ScytheBlade1: which one? |
| 23:14.07 | Lunessa | ciao tutti |
| 23:14.11 | ScytheBlade1 | most all of them |
| 23:14.17 | DWSR | amro: Dunno what you're talking about. |
| 23:14.17 | DWSR | amro: I've had plenty of rediculously awesome battles in AoE3. |
| 23:14.23 | amro | conquerors isn't bad |
| 23:15.14 | alestane | For those of you who were watching Jesse Schell's video the other day: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20100226 |
| 23:15.23 | amro | I never liked the naval element in AoE. it's pretty much a resource sink as far as I care |
| 23:15.57 | amro | granted, aoe3's look awesome, but that's about it |
| 23:16.17 | amro | there aren't enough naval unit types for deep strategy |
| 23:16.26 | amro | so it's just build moar shipz for the most part |
| 23:17.24 | Cairenn | Wobin: awwwwww |
| 23:18.08 | amro | I wish they'd rebalance and rerelease conquerors with better matchmaking |
| 23:19.18 | foxlit | # FakeAPStylebook: Queen Mother - The immortal spider who spawned all of England's queens. |
| 23:20.21 | Wobin | <3 FakeAPStylebook |
| 23:20.32 | Wobin | almost as awesome as @DRUNKHULK |
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| 23:36.10 | dharock | evening :) |
| 23:37.20 | dharock | anybody for a few minutes to help me figure out my basic problem with frames xml ? |
| 23:38.03 | haste | ~asktoask |
| 23:38.04 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 23:38.33 | dharock | doesn't hurt to be polite ;p |
| 23:38.47 | dharock | may not have used irc for 2 years still know how it work ^^ |
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| 23:39.24 | foxlit | Or contractually obligated to help. |
| 23:39.45 | dharock | i know :) |
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| 23:41.16 | dharock | so my problem is i'm trying to create a window for my addon with an xml, while creating my main frame i want to separate 4 area inside this frames with other frames |
| 23:41.24 | dharock | but so far got only the main frame to show :/ |
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| 23:42.25 | Iriel | Well that's a start |
| 23:43.18 | dharock | trying to get frames1 at top of my mainframe, frame2 on left, frame3 on right and frame4 at bottom, got them all inherit of mainframe |
| 23:43.32 | Sixen | ~seen kaelten |
| 23:43.34 | purl | kaelten is currently on #wowprogramming (1d 9h 33m 43s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 8h 33m 40s, last said: 'g'morning'. |
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| 23:44.18 | Iriel | dharock: Is your problem that they dont exist, dont show up, or dont show up where expected? |
| 23:44.57 | dharock | well my mainframe is here, but beside frame1 which i think is here, i can't see things i put inside frames2/3/4 |
| 23:45.17 | dharock | i got my close button which i put in frame1 |
| 23:45.37 | dharock | dunno if you want a copy of my code |
| 23:46.20 | Iriel | One thing I do is /dump frame2:GetRect() |
| 23:46.23 | Iriel | repeat for each frame |
| 23:46.36 | Iriel | See where they think they are on screen |
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| 23:50.57 | dharock | hmm got an error back saying frame2 is not existant |
| 23:51.15 | Iriel | Check the framexml.log to make sure you haven't got an error |
| 23:51.25 | Iriel | (Assuming your frame is actually called frame2) |
| 23:52.32 | dharock | 2/26 23:18:17.500 Unknown frame type: Size |
| 23:52.33 | dharock | 2/26 23:18:17.500 Unknown frame type: Anchors |
| 23:52.33 | dharock | 2/26 23:18:17.500 Unknown frame type: Layers |
| 23:52.59 | ScytheBlade1 | What are you using to edit your XML? |
| 23:53.03 | dharock | emacs |
| 23:53.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Hard to blame that |
| 23:53.33 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case, you're closing your <Frame> before defining the various bits of information it needs to display |
| 23:53.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Size, Anchors, and Layers should all be inside a Frame |
| 23:54.27 | dharock | they are, afaik i got no closing too early |
| 23:55.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, according to WoW, they aren't |
| 23:55.32 | dharock | got my virtual frame on top with all 3, closed, then i got my mainframe, and straight i open frame1 with all 3 info and close and repeat and close mainframe |
| 23:55.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you have <Frame name="asdf" /><Size><etc> by chance? |
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| 23:56.13 | dharock | nop |
| 23:56.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Gonna have to pastey (http://wowuidev.pastey.net) your XML for us to look at it then |
| 23:57.01 | dharock | meh will have to wait tomorrow, gf calling for me to go bed -_- |
| 23:57.20 | dharock | got already a few things to check with the getrect and the log :) |
| 23:57.44 | dharock | cheers and good night |
| 23:59.33 | Shadowed | So here's a question, I accidentally bought a Dr Pepper with cherry and it tastes terrible |
| 23:59.35 | Shadowed | do I finish it? |
