| 00:00.05 | LebQzz | spam flameshock and lavaburst now ;P |
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| 00:00.38 | smcn | the duration of flameshock would be proportional to the cast time of lava burst wouldn't it? unless it has a cooldown i guess, i don't have a shaman |
| 00:00.53 | Wobin | it has a 8 second cooldown |
| 00:01.04 | Wobin | also http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250168/Biggest-crab-seen-Britain.html |
| 00:01.24 | smcn | well, the ptr just started i'm sure they'll fix something if it messes up the rotation too much |
| 00:01.45 | smcn | or maybe they'll do like they did with sw:p and revert the change altogether :P |
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| 00:03.03 | LebQzz | lol |
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| 00:03.28 | LebQzz | blizzard needs to fix their site.. i have to go to the main site over and over just to navigate cause the subpages only have LOGOUT ;P |
| 00:03.32 | Shirik | bakugan is such a strange show |
| 00:03.38 | Shirik | like it makes no sense |
| 00:03.50 | Shirik | ever since yugioh we have five million shows like this and none of them make any sense |
| 00:03.54 | LebQzz | isnt that.. magic the gathering.. |
| 00:03.59 | LebQzz | gege |
| 00:04.08 | LebQzz | bakugan.. digimon wannabe? |
| 00:04.20 | Shirik | it's like digimon crossed with yugioh |
| 00:04.29 | LebQzz | aaah the pointless one ;P |
| 00:05.00 | LebQzz | god dammit blizzard |
| 00:05.08 | foxlit | Shirik: I almost thought they wrote themselves out of a sequel with the season 1 finale. |
| 00:05.11 | foxlit | But NOOOOOO.... |
| 00:05.13 | LebQzz | error in mving. and they cant say what caused it lol |
| 00:05.33 | LebQzz | foxlit you actually watched it? ;P |
| 00:06.25 | foxlit | I watch a lot of stuff :) |
| 00:07.38 | LebQzz | same here |
| 00:08.49 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGfyxzJacLI&feature=player_embedded |
| 00:09.00 | LebQzz | comeon |
| 00:09.05 | LebQzz | 3rd time error |
| 00:09.06 | Slackwise | Wasn't there an online site that searches/compares all the FrameXML and lua code? |
| 00:12.23 | LebQzz | lol nice vid |
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| 00:16.50 | Cairenn | ~wdn |
| 00:16.51 | purl | World of Warcraft Developer Network, a website where you can see the changes made to WoW's interface files between versions and also where you can download said versions. http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 00:17.18 | foxlit | hm, times out |
| 00:17.27 | Fisker | herro |
| 00:18.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ~wowcompares |
| 00:18.46 | purl | wowcompares is, like, http://wowcompares.com, which is currently not working properly. In the meantime you can view the changes to WoW's FrameXML at http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or on GitHub at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/tree/master/FrameXML |
| 00:20.12 | Fisker | Cairenn |
| 00:20.17 | Fisker | ScytheBlade1 said that kittens aren't cute |
| 00:20.17 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAsBLdqfzxg&feature=player_embedded |
| 00:20.20 | Wobin | DA is awesome |
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| 00:20.33 | Fisker | no Wobin |
| 00:20.52 | mikma | os there any interesting changes in 3.3.3? |
| 00:21.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: oh now you crossed the line |
| 00:21.15 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 00:21.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: NOW YOU HAVE CROSSED THE LINE |
| 00:21.21 | Fisker | we're going home ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:21.35 | Wobin | Fisker, are you denying that DA rocks? |
| 00:21.44 | Fisker | no |
| 00:21.47 | Fisker | i'm confirming he sucks |
| 00:21.48 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 00:21.58 | ScytheBlade1 | stabinates Fisker |
| 00:22.19 | mikma | stab stab stabinate |
| 00:22.26 | Wobin | pft, DA has more awesome in his little finger than you do in your entire family |
| 00:22.39 | Wobin | plus, he probably did your mother last night |
| 00:23.00 | Fisker | Well that proves it then |
| 00:23.06 | Wobin | and your father |
| 00:23.12 | Fisker | If he did my mother there would be more awesome in our family in his little finger |
| 00:23.16 | Fisker | So it just confirms how much he suck |
| 00:23.41 | Wobin | English, motherfucker, do you speak it? =P |
| 00:23.44 | Wobin | (clearly not) |
| 00:24.00 | Fisker | Why is that your response to being owned? |
| 00:24.12 | Wobin | because your responses make no sense? |
| 00:24.20 | Fisker | it did |
| 00:24.23 | Wobin | it did not |
| 00:24.24 | Fisker | You just didn't want it to make sense |
| 00:24.30 | Wobin | it made no sense at all |
| 00:24.38 | Fisker | it did |
| 00:24.42 | Cairenn | don't make me turn this channel around! |
| 00:24.51 | Wobin | Fisker totally should have gone before we left |
| 00:25.00 | Fisker | don't worry i have a more badass mothership to tell me that line Cairenn |
| 00:26.02 | Wobin | Fisker's "sense" equals to "IF A implies B, then clearly C, because it has no connection to A and B" |
| 00:26.15 | Wobin | thus. |
| 00:26.16 | Wobin | none |
| 00:26.46 | Wobin | especially when 'B' makes no sense at all |
| 00:26.50 | Fisker | Do you care to get me up to speed the level of awesomeness a person can have in his body then? |
| 00:26.56 | Wobin | which surreallises it even more |
| 00:27.02 | Fisker | Because i'm quite sure there is no such thing as "awesome" in your body |
| 00:27.10 | Wobin | Fisker, I need not, cause no matter what definition that is applied to you |
| 00:27.16 | Wobin | DA is better =P |
| 00:27.33 | Fisker | And there you got owned again |
| 00:28.00 | Wobin | It basically boils down to "David Attenbourough, is always going to be much cooler than you, Fisker" |
| 00:28.19 | Wobin | Cause it's not about -me- getting owned |
| 00:28.20 | Fisker | Who knows? |
| 00:28.24 | Wobin | it's about -you- |
| 00:28.32 | Wobin | I'm not even involved in this conversation |
| 00:29.10 | Kalroth | You are now! |
| 00:29.24 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 00:29.25 | Wobin | Kalroth, only as a facilitator |
| 00:29.31 | Wobin | to show how much Fisker sucks |
| 00:29.40 | Kalroth | hey Fiskeritus |
| 00:30.11 | Kalroth | Fisker: do you have 100cm snow on your streets too? |
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| 00:31.26 | Fisker | More than enough in the driveway |
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| 00:37.03 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 00:37.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.hardocp.com/images/news/12667014679P07DuDJbK_1_1_l.jpg |
| 00:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's stick the artwork for a Left4Dead campaign on this pirated DVD! |
| 00:37.53 | LebQzz | lol |
| 00:37.54 | mikma | neat |
| 00:38.11 | ScytheBlade1 | see also: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0993841/ |
| 00:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I find that incredibly amusing |
| 00:38.35 | Fisker | i find it incredibly old |
| 00:38.50 | ScytheBlade1 | You would |
| 00:38.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ololol |
| 00:39.21 | mikma | fisker does, but it aint |
| 00:39.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I like the "2010" stamp on it |
| 00:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | When the movie came out in 2009, and the game late 08 |
| 00:41.01 | Fisker | maybe it wasn't out in 2009 where it was yarr'd? |
| 00:43.49 | mikma | failsker with his "logic" |
| 00:45.03 | Fisker | yeah totally illogical to use a release date corresponding to your own country |
| 00:45.36 | LebQzz | well what country should you else use |
| 00:45.36 | Fisker | It's like when i go to the theatres it's all like "IN THEATRES NOW*" "* lol only in the us" |
| 00:46.00 | LebQzz | specially for denmark.. half the movies are like 1 month behind us ;P |
| 00:46.17 | LebQzz | 4th of july.. the last airbender.... in denmark.. not decided yet |
| 00:46.21 | Fisker | http://hurrdurr.com/ |
| 00:46.39 | Fisker | nah LebQzz that's illogical |
| 00:48.05 | LebQzz | 26th july |
| 00:48.11 | LebQzz | lol only 18 days after |
| 00:48.20 | LebQzz | http://www.thelastairbendermovie.com/intl/releasedates/ |
| 00:48.33 | foxlit | Where the Wild Things Are release date is a @#$#@#ing travesty. |
| 00:49.10 | Fisker | oh well ssd upgrade tiems |
| 00:49.23 | Corrodias | Where the Wild Thing Are is a @#$#@#ing travesty. |
| 00:49.33 | foxlit | oh? |
| 00:49.39 | foxlit | Trailers looked good. |
| 00:49.51 | Corrodias | i don't know, man, i'm just a funny guy. |
| 00:51.06 | DWSR | huggles Cairenn |
| 00:53.26 | Cairenn | hugs DWSR |
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| 00:55.23 | LebQzz | hmm wanna ask advice if i should stay win7 on laptop or switch back to xp ;P |
| 00:55.31 | Shirik | why would you go to xp |
| 00:55.44 | LebQzz | performance.. its just a working pc anyway |
| 00:56.03 | LebQzz | not all that activation crap to worry about either |
| 00:57.15 | DWSR | LebQzz: I don't know what performance or activation crap you're talking about. |
| 00:57.25 | DWSR | 7 performs just as well as XP. |
| 00:57.42 | LebQzz | win 7 activation crap. ;P |
| 00:57.46 | DWSR | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 00:57.50 | purl | nevcairiel is currently on #wowuidev (5d 16h 50m 38s) #wowace (5d 16h 50m 38s) #curseforge (5d 16h 50m 38s). Has said a total of 1536 messages. Is idling for 32m 54s, last said: 'the best thing about that cloth pads, you can put it over the edge of the table, and its really comfy to have the hand there'. |
| 00:57.56 | DWSR | LebQzz: What are you talking about? My activation was quite painless. |
| 00:58.13 | LebQzz | i dont want to activate. bored of that shit senseless |
| 00:58.36 | DWSR | LebQzz: Why would you not activate? |
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| 00:58.55 | LebQzz | why should i.. |
| 00:59.20 | LebQzz | i never liked the idea of MS needing me to activate to get something i paid for. fuck it.. installing ubuntu |
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| 01:02.31 | Amarande | nooooo ... get debian! |
| 01:03.53 | DWSR | Get Gentoo. |
| 01:03.57 | DWSR | Or Arch. |
| 01:04.07 | DWSR | Otherwise you're just using Winix. |
| 01:04.18 | Kalroth | Slackware imo |
| 01:05.22 | ScytheBlade1 | screw you all, fedora |
| 01:07.13 | DWSR | Fedora's for failures. |
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| 01:07.18 | DWSR | Unless you're talking about the hat. |
| 01:07.25 | DWSR | In which case, I won't really go there. |
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| 01:12.43 | Amarande | Fedora is for people who want to install a brand new OS distribution every few seconds, or so it seems |
| 01:14.23 | Dagmar | Nah, it's for people who want Linux without the responsibility of having to think things through themselves. |
| 01:15.02 | Dagmar | If you have either GNOME or KDE installed, you can generally expect at least a half-dozen piddling minor updates a week. |
| 01:15.56 | DWSR | Dagmar: DID YOU FINISH YET? |
| 01:16.04 | DWSR | Ackis |
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| 01:17.17 | Fisker | hello |
| 01:17.41 | LebQzz | hej hej dansker ;P |
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| 01:18.16 | Kraps | hai gusy |
| 01:18.27 | Dagmar | This is pretty awesome http://5z8.info/cockfights_l9t2m_instant-purchase |
| 01:19.03 | LebQzz | bedtime ;P |
| 01:19.15 | Dagmar | It's a new URL redirector called "ShadyURL" that generates deliberately suspect-looking links. :_) |
| 01:19.51 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5476373/scalpers-getting-300-for-starcraft-ii-beta-keys |
| 01:22.03 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 01:22.07 | DWSR | The 3.3.3 changes are *awesome*. |
| 01:22.10 | smcn | who is buying beta keys not expecting to be banned within a week? |
| 01:22.32 | Slackwise | I'm trying to call SetOverrideBinding() but I'm getting a nil value error. I'm assuming my "command" is wrong as I'm not fully sure what it should be. Where can I look up parameters or API function definitions? |
| 01:22.49 | Dagmar | 30 minute deserter buff |
| 01:22.52 | Dagmar | YAy |
| 01:22.55 | Kraps | DWSR: whoa i gotta go read |
| 01:23.01 | DWSR | Yes, yes you do. |
| 01:23.09 | DWSR | Slackwise |
| 01:23.14 | DWSR | ~wowprogramming |
| 01:23.15 | purl | methinks wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 01:23.18 | Kraps | Gnomeregan will be recaptured before Cataclysm! |
| 01:23.22 | DWSR | ~api SetOverrideBinding() |
| 01:23.23 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetOverrideBinding() |
| 01:23.24 | DWSR | Kraps: I doubt it. |
| 01:23.26 | Slackwise | DWSR: That's where I am. |
| 01:23.29 | Slackwise | It just says "command" |
| 01:23.32 | Slackwise | And nothing more. |
| 01:23.34 | DWSR | !api SetOverrideBinding |
| 01:23.36 | lua_bot | SetOverrideBinding: Sets an override binding for a binding command (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetOverrideBinding) |
| 01:23.39 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:23.46 | Slackwise | I am right there. |
| 01:23.52 | Slackwise | "command" means nothing to me. |
| 01:24.01 | Slackwise | "command - Name of a key binding command, or nil to remove the override binding (string)" |
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| 01:24.20 | Slackwise | Where are the "key binding commands" defined? |
| 01:24.20 | DWSR | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetOverrideBinding <-- This looks to me to give the right info. |
| 01:24.21 | Kraps | omg im stuck between reading too fast and too slow |
| 01:24.24 | Arrowmaster | its what you would use in Bindings.xml |
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| 01:24.56 | DWSR | Kraps: The changes are awesome, I have to say. |
| 01:24.57 | Kraps | Anduin Wrynn is smexy |
| 01:25.04 | Slackwise | Arrowmaster: Thank you. |
| 01:25.09 | DWSR | Kraps: However, they nerfed the fishing daily. I loll'ed. |
| 01:25.33 | zenzelezz | I didn't understand that change |
| 01:25.49 | DWSR | zenzelezz: The fishing daily change? |
| 01:25.54 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 01:26.18 | DWSR | Instead of fishing in Dragonblight, you're fishing in Dalaran outside of VH. |
| 01:26.21 | DWSR | That's all. |
| 01:26.23 | Slackwise | Arrowmaster: Beautiful! Exact answer I needed. Thank you. |
| 01:26.55 | Slackwise | DWSR: I know you linked the same thing 4 times, but my question was about a parameter and what it /means/. Thanks for trying to help, though. |
| 01:27.26 | Dagmar | "The cooldown and location requirements have been removed from creating Moonshroud, Spellweave and Ebonweave" <-- SERIOUSLY? |
| 01:27.29 | Dagmar | @#$@$ |
| 01:27.39 | DWSR | Slackwise: To be totally honest, you were being pretty vague until you said the last line. |
| 01:27.40 | Dagmar | I was just about to freaking list three of each when I got home tonight |
| 01:27.41 | Kraps | Dagmar: haha! |
| 01:27.43 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah, I'm so happy. |
| 01:27.44 | zenzelezz | Slackwise: you did say "Where can I look up parameters or API function definitions?", hje answered that |
| 01:27.51 | zenzelezz | -j |
| 01:27.54 | DWSR | Dagmar: 3.3.3 isn't out yet, and won't be out for a while. |
| 01:28.05 | Dagmar | I definitely have to sell those damn things ASAP then |
| 01:28.08 | DWSR | yep. |
| 01:28.24 | Slackwise | zenzelezz: "I'm trying to call SetOverrideBinding() but I'm getting a nil value error. I'm assuming my "command" is wrong as I'm not fully sure what it should be. " |
| 01:28.46 | zenzelezz | Slackwise: yes, and no question mark. You followed it up with a question about parameters |
| 01:28.52 | Kraps | Players may now skip the initial introduction dialog to this dungeon once they have completed it at least once. |
| 01:28.57 | DWSR | Slackwise: |
| 01:28.57 | Kraps | so soon?! |
| 01:28.57 | DWSR | [20:22:31] <Slackwise>I'm trying to call SetOverrideBinding() but I'm getting a nil value error. I'm assuming my "command" is wrong as I'm not fully sure what it should be. Where can I look up parameters or API function definitions? |
| 01:29.03 | DWSR | Kraps: Yes. Thank god. |
| 01:29.04 | zenzelezz | we also had no idea what you were passing and what it was claiming was nil |
| 01:29.07 | Slackwise | And by definitions, I meant the /definition/ of a function. As in the actual code for it. |
| 01:29.11 | Slackwise | Not the signature. |
| 01:29.15 | Slackwise | signature != definition |
| 01:29.23 | DWSR | Slackwise: You were being vague until you clarified. |
| 01:29.24 | Dagmar | Meh. Not super-sure I like the AH changes unless there's a limit set to prevent people from listing say, one damn bullet at a time |
| 01:29.29 | DWSR | And I posted before you clarified. |
| 01:29.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: I would imagine so. |
| 01:29.52 | Slackwise | DWSR: Sorry. I guess I should have answered better. I tried to be concise. |
| 01:29.56 | Adys | Dagmar: people already do it. |
| 01:29.58 | Kraps | dk tanks gettin biffed |
| 01:30.00 | Slackwise | s/answered/asked/ |
| 01:30.02 | Kraps | buffed |
| 01:30.03 | DWSR | Kraps: Yes. |
| 01:30.14 | Dagmar | Adys: Yes, but now the people too stupid to install an addon will likely be able to do it |
| 01:30.21 | zenzelezz | I would prefer DK tanks got biffed |
| 01:30.33 | Dagmar | i.e., the monkeytards in trade will have a new way to grief |
| 01:30.37 | Kraps | Flame Shock: The damage-over-time component of this ability can now produce critical strikes and is affected by spell haste. HO SHIT |
| 01:30.48 | DWSR | Kraps: Yeah, Immolate's getting the same treatement. |
| 01:30.50 | DWSR | treatment* |
| 01:30.57 | Adys | yeah, how about living bomb... |
| 01:31.01 | DWSR | Also, Demonic Pact is getting its duration buffed. |
| 01:31.11 | DWSR | Adys: No, because Fire Mages have a DoT crit talent already. |
| 01:31.11 | Adys | What do you say? fire mages are already too powerful in pvp? |
| 01:31.12 | Adys | OH WAIT |
| 01:31.31 | Adys | what do you say then? they're too powerful in pve? |
| 01:31.33 | Adys | OH NO, WAIT. |
| 01:31.41 | Kraps | nice warrior buffs |
| 01:32.01 | Adys | I have 430 haste on my gear without seeking it at all |
| 01:32.09 | Adys | 60% of my damage doesn't benefit at all from it |
| 01:32.16 | Kraps | the flame shock change frees up a glyph slot |
| 01:32.41 | Dagmar | Oh ho! |
| 01:32.43 | Dagmar | "World Event bosses (such as Ahune for the Fire Festival) will now be accessible through the Dungeon Finder. Players must use the Dungeon Finder to access these bosses. " |
| 01:33.02 | DWSR | Adys: QQ more and stack crit, kthx. |
| 01:33.05 | Dagmar | I guess I like that. No more having to hoof it all the bloody way to SFK |
| 01:33.05 | foxlit | It's official: the lich king hates resto druids |
| 01:33.17 | Dagmar | foxlit: There's a class LK *likes*? |
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| 01:33.54 | Kraps | no druid changes :( |
| 01:33.55 | foxlit | Not class, spec. |
| 01:34.14 | foxlit | You find yourself hoping that it's not you who wins the Frostmourne lottery |
| 01:34.35 | foxlit | As far as I can tell, nobody other spec has a problem there. |
| 01:34.35 | Kraps | Titansteel Bar: Creating this item no longer results in a cooldown. |
| 01:34.38 | Kraps | haha |
| 01:34.52 | Dagmar | Well, at the rate they're going, they might as well just turn hunter weapon fire into a DoT |
| 01:35.28 | foxlit | [DPS classes can just DPS as usual, all other healers either have an easily usable interrupt or can dispel magic] |
| 01:35.49 | DWSR | foxlit: If you don't have someone in your raid who can dispel it off of you, you're dumb. |
| 01:35.50 | DWSR | imo. |
| 01:36.10 | foxlit | DWSR: I do wonder what you're talking about :) |
| 01:36.30 | DWSR | foxlit: What are *you* talking about? |
| 01:36.35 | Kraps | Anyone in a dungeon party can now re-queue their group for a dungeon, as players will still be prompted whether or not to accept their chosen role. YES |
| 01:36.43 | foxlit | DWSR: The spectral warden. |
| 01:36.51 | DWSR | oh, ignore me then. :P |
| 01:36.58 | DWSR | Kraps: Yeah, verily. |
| 01:37.21 | Kraps | Parties randomly created via the Dungeon Finder will always be arranged in the party interface from top to bottom in the following order: tank, healer, damage, damage, damage. |
| 01:37.25 | Kraps | THANK YOU |
| 01:37.48 | Kraps | this irked me as a healer |
| 01:37.51 | Dagmar | Oh HELL yes |
| 01:37.53 | foxlit | So now I don't have to fix my unitframes to display the role |
| 01:37.54 | Dagmar | That's great |
| 01:37.54 | cbreak | the dungeon finder doesn't work when you join with two tanks or two healers |
| 01:37.58 | DWSR | Kraps: If you couldn't figure out who the hell was tanking and healing from their gear and the little indicator, you probably should uninstall. |
| 01:38.12 | DWSR | Just saying. |
| 01:38.24 | Kraps | DWSR: i am irked, dont touch me |
| 01:38.30 | Dagmar | dwsr: Some of us have target frames. Having the tank's target frame in the same place on the list all the time is a big help |
| 01:38.37 | Kraps | ^ |
| 01:39.15 | DWSR | Dagmar: Don't be nub and use focus? |
| 01:39.18 | DWSR | Just saying. |
| 01:39.20 | Dagmar | Nothing short of making a macro that explicitly names the tank and changing it every time seems to make Misdirection efficient |
| 01:39.32 | Dagmar | dwsr: Focus does not do what you appear to think it does |
| 01:39.32 | cbreak | use Ora/Xperl target frames, or one of the countless others |
| 01:39.56 | DWSR | Dagmar: Focus + FocusTarget? |
| 01:40.00 | Kraps | DWSR: focus has 1 player, grid has all 5 |
| 01:40.10 | DWSR | Kraps: The only person you care about is the tank. |
| 01:40.14 | Kraps | no |
| 01:40.19 | Dagmar | dwsr: And yet you still have to set tthat. Not an improvement worth cluttering up the screen with another damn frame for |
| 01:40.34 | DWSR | Dagmar: You don't need a frame? |
| 01:40.37 | cbreak | Information OVERLOAD! |
| 01:40.44 | DWSR | Dagmar: You can just set the focus. |
| 01:40.58 | Dagmar | Yes, and let's say you *FORGET* to do that |
| 01:41.12 | DWSR | Dagmar: Then you should uninstall? |
| 01:41.24 | Kraps | eyes DWSR |
| 01:41.34 | Dagmar | Or, and this is more possible than you might think, you are working with a Paladin named Cayda, and then later you work with a MAGE named Caydala |
| 01:41.47 | DWSR | Dagmar: Probably an alt. Regardless. |
| 01:42.06 | Kraps | oh snap, frozen orbs *dies* |
| 01:42.11 | Dagmar | Well, it was the same guy, but luckily he managed to get out of the supreme ass whupping I misdirected onto him |
| 01:42.23 | Kraps | i only have 8 :( |
| 01:42.32 | DWSR | Dagmar: My point stands. If you can't either a) figure it out from the role indicators or b) the gear and use the target frame or click-casting for whatever the hell you're doing, you should consider uninstalling. |
| 01:42.42 | Dagmar | dwsr: Your argument fails. |
| 01:42.43 | DWSR | s/target/focus/ |
| 01:42.48 | Dagmar | Fails, fails, fails. |
| 01:42.53 | Dagmar | "Figuring it out" takes *time* |
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| 01:43.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: You mean you /DON'T/ look at everyone's gear to make sure that the tank and healer are capable of tanking? |
| 01:43.29 | Dagmar | Way freaking easier to have it bound to one damn button, or one particular bit of screen estate so you just have to think "Time to hit the button" |
| 01:44.00 | Dagmar | No mucking about with "time to hit the button, now time to figure out what other button/click to do" |
| 01:44.43 | Dagmar | DWSR: If they're not capable of healing, nothing I can do about it. If they can't tank, the monkey will probably be next in line and I'm fine with that |
| 01:45.04 | DWSR | Dagmar: You're talking to a demonology warlock that ends up tanking 90% of heroic trash anyway. |
| 01:45.16 | Dagmar | Learn some fire discipline then. |
| 01:45.31 | DWSR | Dagmar: It has nothing to do with fire discipline. It has to do with vastly outgearing tanks. |
| 01:45.40 | DWSR | Dagmar: And besides, seed of corruption? lolwut? |
| 01:45.53 | Dagmar | Oh, so it's not _your_ fault you fired off every attack at once, it's your _gear's_ fault. |
| 01:45.54 | Dagmar | I see. |
| 01:46.12 | DWSR | Dagmar: I AoE my trash down just like normal. No cooldowns. |
| 01:46.15 | Dagmar | I have this same chat with hunters from time to time. |
| 01:46.17 | DWSR | It'll all come running to me eventually. |
| 01:46.28 | DWSR | Dagmar: The difference is that hunters have volley misdirect. |
| 01:46.29 | Dagmar | If you don't WAIT some seconds, you WILL likely get aggro. |
| 01:46.55 | DWSR | Dagmar: The some seconds you're talking about is the time it takes me to hit PetAttack and then cast Seed of Corruption (approximately 1.5s) |
| 01:46.56 | Dagmar | So count off a couple more ticks before you open up. |
| 01:47.03 | Dagmar | It's not like the meter is going to kick you out of the group |
| 01:47.30 | Dagmar | DWSR: Yes it's becoming clear you don't have a clue what I mean when I say "fire discipline" |
| 01:47.47 | Dagmar | There is no rule anywhere I've seen that says you have to start shooting at the same time the tanks do. |
| 01:48.10 | DWSR | Dagmar: Time is money, friend. |
| 01:48.24 | Dagmar | Recognizing that the tank might not be as well-geared as you and adjusting accordingly is another one of those things that separates a skilled player from a button-masher. |
| 01:48.44 | Kraps | DWSR: wipes are money too |
| 01:48.45 | DWSR | Dagmar: When I'm geared enough to tank the heroics in cloth, regardless of the tank's gear, why does it matter? |
| 01:48.49 | DWSR | Kraps: I don't wipe, oddly enough |
| 01:48.59 | Kraps | good for you? |
| 01:49.00 | Dagmar | I've done some PUGs lately we wouldn't have ever finished because of a weak tank... except *I* know how to be patient |
| 01:49.12 | cbreak | I find focus fireing much better than aoeing |
| 01:49.24 | Dagmar | ...although one dude was so bad I had to keep Aspect of the Viper on at all times |
| 01:49.31 | DWSR | cbreak: My casts are long enough that stuff usually dies before I get a chance to get more than a cast off. |
| 01:49.49 | Dagmar | dwsr: Hang out and throw confettit hen |
| 01:49.58 | DWSR | Dagmar: Why? My job is to /do damage/ |
| 01:49.58 | Dagmar | Or just use immolate. |
| 01:50.07 | Dagmar | No, your job is not just to "do damage". |
| 01:50.12 | Dagmar | Your job is to win. |
| 01:50.15 | cbreak | my arcane blasts are currently around 2 seconds |
| 01:50.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, that would be the group's job. |
| 01:50.23 | cbreak | so not the fastest spell |
| 01:50.24 | Dagmar | Yeah right. |
| 01:50.26 | cbreak | it works ok |
| 01:50.26 | DWSR | Dagmar: My job is to /do damage/ sot hat we win. |
| 01:50.31 | Dagmar | That'll work great leaving that up to the other four idiots |
| 01:50.54 | DWSR | Dagmar: I've had good tanks that can pull snap threat just fine and I have no problems with. |
| 01:51.00 | DWSR | Dagmar: And I've had weak tanks that just keep dropping aggro to me. |
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| 01:51.18 | Dagmar | Once or twice is their fault. |
| 01:51.29 | Dagmar | Anything more than that is _your_ fault. |
| 01:51.40 | DWSR | Dagmar: and then I have diva tanks who think that they're God's gift to Azeroth. Those are the tanks that I juts start chain pulling on. |
| 01:52.10 | DWSR | Dagmar: Because the tank should be pulling as fast as the group will let them. I tank and that's what I do. |
| 01:52.19 | DWSR | If the healer's got more mana than he needs for the next trash group, we're going. |
| 01:52.21 | cbreak | I find pulling agro not problematic when I know that the mob will die before it'll reach me |
| 01:52.33 | Dagmar | That last bit will cause wipes. |
| 01:52.48 | DWSR | Dagmar: In a raid, sure. But my tank's only like 77 |
| 01:52.54 | Dagmar | "just enough mana" == wipe territory |
| 01:53.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: I also said more mana than he needs. |
| 01:53.12 | DWSR | Dagmar: I'm not going to pull with a healer that has just enough mana. |
| 01:53.28 | DWSR | If a healer only needs like 10% mana to heal me through a trash group and he has 50% we're going. |
| 01:53.37 | foxlit | If you pull while I have just enough mana, I'll ensure that you'll have just enough health. |
| 01:53.39 | Dagmar | UNless you're capable of killing hte entire pack without help, he might _well_ not have enough mana |
| 01:53.40 | DWSR | If he needs 30% of his mana to heal me through a trash group and he has 40, I'll wait. |
| 01:53.46 | Dagmar | ~foxlit++ |
| 01:53.55 | foxlit | Paladins are particularly awesome in this scenario. |
| 01:53.57 | DWSR | foxlit: And as long as I don't die, you don't die, so I guess it works. |
| 01:54.16 | cbreak | if you pull while I drink |
| 01:54.19 | cbreak | you fight while I drink |
| 01:54.22 | cbreak | die while I drink |
| 01:54.23 | Dagmar | heheheh |
| 01:54.26 | foxlit | DWSR: Shadowmeld; see you next time :) |
| 01:54.29 | cbreak | and run back from the grave while I drink some more |
| 01:54.34 | DWSR | cbreak: The last part doesn't neccessarily meet. |
| 01:54.38 | DWSR | foxlit: I'm a Nelf tank. :) |
| 01:54.46 | DWSR | cbreak: s/meet/follow/ |
| 01:54.49 | cbreak | DWSR: Just because I am a MAGE? |
| 01:55.01 | cbreak | don't discriminate against mage healers! |
| 01:55.08 | cbreak | I have that flower picking hot! |
| 01:55.11 | DWSR | lol |
| 01:55.19 | DWSR | Only self-castable, unless you're a drain-eye. |
| 01:55.34 | cbreak | theres no one else I'd want to cast it on |
| 01:55.37 | Dagmar | Don't knock that Dranei talent. It's saved some raids |
| 01:55.42 | DWSR | Dagmar: I don't. |
| 01:55.50 | DWSR | s/don't/didn't/ |
| 01:56.03 | Dagmar | My ex always gets crazy excited if she uses it and the tank doesn't die |
| 01:57.06 | Kraps | O_o |
| 01:57.19 | Kraps | shes doin it wrong |
| 01:57.25 | Dagmar | No she's not |
| 01:57.38 | Dagmar | She usually doesn't forget she has it until we watch the healer take a dirt-nap |
| 01:57.43 | Dagmar | s/forget/remember/; |
| 01:58.15 | DWSR | hehe |
| 01:58.24 | DWSR | <Dagmar>She usually doesn't forget she has it <- fix't. |
| 01:59.13 | DWSR | Dagmar: I look at the matter like this: On my lock, with a reasonable healer, I can tank the instance. Therefore, it doesn't matter who's tanking, as long as I get my Frost. |
| 01:59.43 | DWSR | I don't go out of my way to pull aggro, but I don't go far out of my way to not pull, either. |
| 02:00.47 | DWSR | If the tank or healer wants to point out to me that they're not very geared and to take it easy, I'm more than happy to oblige. |
| 02:01.03 | DWSR | Otherwise, I assume we're trying to set the heroic speed run record. |
| 02:01.40 | DWSR | And if they're a diva tank, I will happily pay my repair bill to troll them with chain pulls. |
| 02:09.27 | Kraps | Neth is so win |
| 02:09.33 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/23329213348-how-does-blizz-plan-to-update-the-cities.html |
| 02:10.26 | Adys | no shes not / |
| 02:10.34 | Adys | :/ |
| 02:10.55 | Kraps | ~lart Adys |
| 02:10.55 | purl | beats Adys senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 02:11.12 | cbreak | must be a pocket edition |
| 02:11.30 | Kraps | lol |
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| 02:11.58 | WobWork | ugh |
| 02:12.10 | WobWork | people that spell guards as 'gaurds' |
| 02:12.17 | DWSR | WobWork: Indeed. |
| 02:12.33 | WobWork | >< |
| 02:12.34 | WobWork | minimul |
| 02:12.36 | Adys | WobWork: like people who spell plague as plauge? |
| 02:12.46 | WobWork | rogue as rouge? |
| 02:13.22 | WobWork | trash mab? |
| 02:13.24 | WobWork | wtf |
| 02:13.27 | Dagmar | Hey, I for one, would be greatly enthusiastic if all players were required to spell a few common words correctly before the game would let them login. |
| 02:13.39 | WobWork | that's not even -close- to being excusable as a typo |
| 02:13.40 | Amarande | Gauge as guage? |
| 02:13.47 | Adys | nogmeraggon! |
| 02:13.49 | Amarande | (actually, that one always looks wrong to me no matter WHICH way it's spelled ...) |
| 02:13.51 | ZorbaTHut | "turrents" arrgh |
| 02:13.53 | Adys | WE ARE TAKING BACK NOGMERAGGON! |
| 02:14.04 | Dagmar | "R-o-g-u-e. It's right there on your damn screen and you can't copy it correctly?" |
| 02:14.06 | Amarande | 'potatoe' with an E? |
| 02:14.10 | DWSR | Amarande: But you fail, so your opinion doesn't count? |
| 02:14.15 | WobWork | poetaetoe? |
| 02:14.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: They can't help if it they're British |
| 02:15.01 | Dagmar | Amarande: As to the other, you have to be careful how you search for that one |
| 02:15.10 | Dagmar | One spelling is apparently the name of a porn start. |
| 02:15.13 | Dagmar | s/start/star/; |
| 02:16.03 | Amarande | mmm porn |
| 02:16.04 | Amarande | that reminds me |
| 02:16.09 | Amarande | we just subscribed to cinemax the other day. |
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| 02:17.06 | WobWork | skinemax? |
| 02:17.26 | DWSR | exactly. |
| 02:19.27 | DWSR | Cairenn: Huggle meh, I'm going to be on a train to Ottawa when Men's Hockey is on. |
| 02:20.25 | Cairenn | awww |
| 02:22.05 | Kraps | ice hockey? |
| 02:22.47 | Amarande | ontario :( |
| 02:23.41 | foxlit | Clearly "geth infiltrators" are the new terrorists. |
| 02:23.51 | DWSR | ~foxlit++ |
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| 02:24.39 | cbreak | goth infiltrators? |
| 02:24.47 | Kraps | Tali just needs a hug |
| 02:25.18 | DWSR | cbreak: Can a goth really infiltrate anything other than what they are already a part of? |
| 02:25.26 | DWSR | Kraps: Or a hugglefuck. |
| 02:25.38 | Kraps | that too |
| 02:25.54 | DWSR | Hugglefucks are reasonably good. |
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| 02:26.33 | Kraps | except i CANT SEE HER FACE /rage |
| 02:26.44 | DWSR | Yeah, verily. |
| 02:27.35 | DWSR | [/shakespeare] |
| 02:28.28 | Kraps | Why dost thou converse with that trunk of humours, that bolting-hutch of beastliness, that swollen parcel of dropsies, that huge bombard of sack, that stuffed cloak-bag of guts, that roasted Manningtree ox with pudding in his belly, that reverend vice, that grey Iniquity, that father ruffian, that vanity in years? |
| 02:28.43 | Kraps | [Thine] face is not worth sunburning. |
| 02:28.48 | Kraps | http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/Shaker/index.html |
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| 02:29.21 | DWSR | Thou errant pottle-deep boar-pig! |
| 02:30.11 | Fisker | ~weather ekch |
| 02:33.22 | DWSR | Dagmar: Can you please explain to me why the everloving fuck producers make tracks that clip? |
| 02:34.06 | Kraps | i really need to read up on wow.com's lore articles |
| 02:34.41 | DWSR | why? |
| 02:34.53 | Kraps | cuz i <3 lore |
| 02:35.13 | DWSR | me too |
| 02:35.17 | DWSR | But read WoWWiki instead. |
| 02:35.33 | DWSR | WoW.com needs to be excorcised from this Earth. |
| 02:36.03 | Dagmar | DWSR: Bad studio engineers? |
| 02:36.05 | Kraps | WoWWiki is too wiki-ish |
| 02:36.35 | DWSR | Dagmar: Electronic artists self-produce, usually, don't they? |
| 02:37.08 | Dagmar | It's entirely possible they might not know the first thing about a microphone for recording samples, or that they actually liked the sound of something clipping |
| 02:37.19 | DWSR | the second I'll buy. |
| 02:38.16 | DWSR | Dagmar: However, I thought that the ANGRY RED LIGHT would be a cloo. |
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| 02:40.29 | Dagmar | Oh lord |
| 02:40.49 | Dagmar | I think that I have perhaps found a serious problem with either reality or Wikipedia |
| 02:41.11 | Dagmar | Sez here Kellie Pickler is actually looking to become a paralegal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kellie_Pickler |
| 02:41.45 | foxlit | So does ME2 just randomize previous decisions unless you import a save game? |
| 02:41.58 | Dagmar | foxlit: Not sure |
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| 02:42.15 | Dagmar | It was correct enough on mine that I suspect EA keeps track of your play more than they claim to |
| 02:42.31 | Kraps | foxlit: theres a preset |
| 02:43.04 | Kraps | Dagmar was just lucky |
| 02:43.16 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:43.28 | DWSR | The preset is: You kill Wrex, you kill the council, you fuck Ashley. |
| 02:43.58 | foxlit | pretty meh. |
| 02:44.04 | Dagmar | Never did her |
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| 02:44.26 | DWSR | I saved Wrex, killed the council, fucked Ashley and Liara. |
| 02:44.51 | DWSR | My Shepard is a playa. |
| 02:47.40 | Dagmar | Hard to be a playa when there's only one dancing girl and all you can do is tip and leer. |
| 02:48.44 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 02:48.52 | Dagmar | Give GTA5 a chance |
| 02:49.37 | DWSR | I am tempted to wait until ME3, then play all of them again in order and move my save through each one |
| 02:49.55 | Dagmar | They're keeping your ME2 save data |
| 02:49.57 | Kraps | Ashley and Liara? how? |
| 02:50.10 | DWSR | Kraps: By being a player. |
| 02:50.16 | Kraps | ... |
| 02:50.22 | DWSR | Dagmar: What do you mean, keeping? |
| 02:51.13 | Kraps | I saved Wrex, killed the council, fucked Liara. |
| 02:51.57 | Kraps | and put a gun to Conrad's dumb face |
| 02:52.00 | Dagmar | That way in aobut six months you'll start getting emails from EA asking for money or they'll tell everyone what you did with that little Asari girl |
| 02:52.09 | DWSR | Dagmar: lulz. |
| 02:52.10 | foxlit | Purely from ME2, the new council sucks. |
| 02:52.11 | DWSR | Anyway, night all. |
| 02:52.15 | DWSR | foxlit: Yep. |
| 02:52.22 | DWSR | I wish you could assassinate Udina. |
| 02:52.27 | Kraps | ^ |
| 02:52.43 | DWSR | You're a Spectre. Just fucking kill him and plant some evidence. |
| 02:52.47 | DWSR | Anyway, night. |
| 02:52.51 | Dagmar | Yeah I went into spoiler-site land far enough to know there's sadly no way of getting rid of him |
| 02:53.23 | foxlit | Can't you appoint andersen instead? |
| 02:53.43 | ZorbaTHut | I'm curious what Bioware is going to do to start tying off plot branches |
| 02:53.51 | ZorbaTHut | they're courting exponential content danger |
| 02:54.05 | Kraps | he gets pushed aside or something foxlit? |
| 02:54.16 | foxlit | Dunno, haven't played it. |
| 02:54.49 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure I said "get rid of" and not "demote" for a reason |
| 02:54.57 | Dagmar | I'd like to shoot Udina right in his face |
| 02:55.20 | ZorbaTHut | I appointed Andersen, I don't have to deal with Udina much |
| 02:55.23 | ZorbaTHut | my game is better than yours |
| 02:55.53 | Kraps | :( |
| 02:57.07 | Kraps | i dont have to "deal" with Udina, hes just an asshat to the person WHO SAVED THE WHOLE GALAXY and gave him the post |
| 02:58.02 | ZorbaTHut | well, in fairness, he is even if you chose andersen. you just largely flip him off. |
| 02:58.19 | Kraps | same |
| 02:58.38 | Kraps | except hes still in charge |
| 02:59.56 | Bruners | Fisker: go to bed |
| 03:08.23 | Kraps | i thought they shortened the time to get an after-boss portal in VH |
| 03:09.17 | Kraps | ah dbm fail :( |
| 03:14.29 | Kraps | about 30 seconds now :) |
| 03:43.27 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 03:43.33 | Shirik | I just got some of the coolest CTCP spam ever |
| 03:45.08 | Shadowed | ? |
| 03:45.16 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 03:45.32 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ee5e49a8d85aea34e39c2713a156eccf.png |
| 03:46.29 | kd3 | hrm. ctcp spam |
| 03:46.33 | kd3 | haven't seen that in years... |
| 03:46.46 | Dagmar | I can't believe your client handles that so badly |
| 03:46.54 | Shirik | badly? |
| 03:47.29 | Dagmar | Well, for one, there's zero expectation that the body of a CTCP will ever be presented to the user directly. Yet that clearly parsed color control codes that were _in_ the CTCP |
| 03:47.39 | Shirik | lol yeah |
| 03:47.51 | kd3 | mm... failtastic mIRC. what else is new? |
| 03:48.26 | Corrodias | i don't think it a failure that the user can see the content of the message even if you are unable to assume it was meant to be seen |
| 03:48.49 | Arrowmaster | thats just showing the first argument, the type of ctcp |
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| 03:53.25 | Dagmar | Corrodias: It's that there should have been *no* markup parsing done on the output |
| 03:53.41 | Corrodias | why, is it dangerous? >_> |
| 03:53.47 | Dagmar | In some cases, yes it can be. |
| 03:54.29 | Dagmar | If for no other reason than the result in this case makes it look like a unicorn vomited up rainbow text on your screen. |
| 03:54.42 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:55.02 | kd3 | whee |
| 03:55.04 | Dagmar | Microsoft knows well how badly things go wrong when you do parsing you shouldn't after the fact |
| 03:55.05 | kd3 | honeypots on the ptr |
| 03:55.13 | Dagmar | Honeypots? |
| 03:55.18 | kd3 | people worldporting to instanced acherus are getting stuck there |
| 03:55.22 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:55.25 | Dagmar | Ahhhh |
| 03:55.33 | Corrodias | worldporting? what is this? |
| 03:55.43 | Shirik | blizzard win |
| 03:55.43 | Dagmar | I couldn't figure out what kind of honeypot someone could set up there |
| 03:55.47 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.50 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Cheeeting |
| 03:55.52 | Corrodias | aah. |
| 03:55.57 | kd3 | a command that's not normally supposed to be available to players |
| 03:55.58 | PProvost | worldport? |
| 03:56.00 | Amarande | it's probably in the ptr for a reason |
| 03:56.02 | Shirik | kd3: That actually works on ptr? |
| 03:56.04 | PProvost | lol |
| 03:56.07 | kd3 | yes |
| 03:56.10 | Shirik | does it always? |
| 03:56.11 | Dagmar | Seriously? |
| 03:56.13 | kd3 | it's happened before (see: a few times in BC) |
| 03:56.15 | Corrodias | cool. |
| 03:56.16 | kd3 | it's not supposed to |
| 03:56.21 | Dagmar | Oh, okay |
| 03:56.26 | Amarande | kd3: only blizzard knows what's "supposed to" |
| 03:56.31 | kd3 | it'll get turned off on monday when people are back in the office |
| 03:56.34 | Dagmar | I thought I'd missed a great way to very predictably crater myself |
| 03:56.42 | Corrodias | i think we can assume it's not supposed to based on past behavior, Amarande. |
| 03:57.04 | Dagmar | Mebbe they're fishin' for people to look at the new Stormwind instance |
| 03:57.32 | Amarande | Dagmar: did they actually open up that instance portal that's been blocked since forever? :) |
| 03:58.05 | Dagmar | WEll, it was open for something in/around beta. I just don't rmemeber for crap what it was |
| 03:58.17 | Dagmar | It doesn't *do* anything now, even if you sploit in there and rub yourself up against it |
| 03:58.28 | Corrodias | even erotically |
| 03:58.47 | Dagmar | It was one of my first bits of 'splorin' once I figured out the magic thing about the chopper dismount |
| 03:59.08 | Dagmar | I only managed to fall through the world twice before being met with incredible disappointment |
| 03:59.30 | Corrodias | did they fix the thing where you can get into the... what did they call it... the western part of the northern part... |
| 03:59.34 | Corrodias | fuck, i need a map |
| 03:59.49 | Dagmar | You mean, Nebraska? |
| 04:01.29 | Cairenn | kd3: its still working now? or was but has been fixed? |
| 04:02.21 | kd3 | it's been fixed |
| 04:02.27 | Cairenn | ah, okay |
| 04:02.28 | Corrodias | the western part of tirisfal glades |
| 04:02.28 | kd3 | "You do not have permission to perform that function" |
| 04:02.49 | Corrodias | back in the day, you could get up into there from the northern coast with a fast ground mount |
| 04:02.55 | Cairenn | k |
| 04:03.51 | Dagmar | yeah but there's little value in it |
| 04:03.53 | Dagmar | Nothing to see at all |
| 04:04.09 | Dagmar | For all the trouble you just went to, you might as well just swim out to Noob's Landing |
| 04:04.17 | Corrodias | agreed. just wondering if it was still accessible. |
| 04:04.18 | Dagmar | At least there's something to see there. |
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| 04:41.30 | kd3 | sigh. firefox gets updated to 3.5.8 (yay yum) but it's still not up-to-date. sigh |
| 04:42.14 | Gagorian | well maybe since 3.6 is the newest? ;) |
| 04:47.30 | jnwhiteh | umm hi. |
| 04:47.33 | jnwhiteh | its too fucking early |
| 04:48.01 | kd3 | looks at his clock saying 23:47 |
| 04:48.29 | jnwhiteh | looks at his clock saying 4:48. |
| 04:49.20 | kd3 | you're one of those crazy people not living on the east coast. I can't help you there |
| 04:50.29 | Stanzilla | 05:48:29 ∙ jnwhiteh looks at his clock saying 4:48. < :( |
| 04:50.36 | Stanzilla | (am) |
| 04:51.32 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 04:51.39 | jnwhiteh | i have to row in 45 minutes |
| 04:51.41 | jnwhiteh | and woke up early |
| 04:51.44 | jnwhiteh | meh |
| 04:52.39 | kd3 | grrs at 3.6 only getting built for rawhide |
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| 05:13.13 | Adys | Anyone bored on EU ptr? |
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| 05:31.22 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKccr8g1xCU |
| 05:34.24 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 05:34.32 | Dagmar | Apparently I'm not old enough to view that video. |
| 05:35.14 | Shirik | nooooooooo |
| 05:35.20 | Shirik | I just sat on my bag of tostitos |
| 05:35.32 | Dagmar | Now you hav casserole/meatloaf fixins. :) |
| 05:35.33 | Shirik | they will no longer be the perfect scooping devices they were intended to be |
| 05:38.06 | Dagmar | Yeah but add some ground beef and some macaronis and a little bit of whatever else is handy (salsa perhaps) and you'll have a nice casserole. :) |
| 05:39.54 | Kraps | Dagmar: fureal? |
| 05:40.52 | Dagmar | Tewtelly. |
| 05:41.11 | Dagmar | "Casserole" is Southern for "ground-up leftovers" |
| 05:41.18 | Kraps | lol @ the people "omg the ptr keeps dcing wtf" |
| 05:41.37 | Kraps | ITS THE PTR DUMBASSES |
| 05:41.53 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 05:47.42 | Thunder_Child | i get so amused seeing brand new benz's and bmw's at the corner laundrymat. |
| 05:49.54 | kd3 | tc; the hell? |
| 05:50.00 | Shirik | echos kd3 |
| 05:50.05 | Thunder_Child | what? |
| 05:50.06 | Shirik | Even by MY standards that was very random |
| 05:50.55 | Thunder_Child | i was just down there since the local small store is there and i saw many a car |
| 05:51.00 | Thunder_Child | on a saturday night no less |
| 05:51.50 | kd3 | http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=42770 |
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| 05:58.31 | Ihklept | Good evening, #wowuidev. |
| 05:58.53 | Cairenn | hi |
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| 06:00.07 | looksharp | hello |
| 06:00.26 | Cairenn | hi |
| 06:00.48 | looksharp | does this channel support for develop addons for wow ? |
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| 06:02.46 | Thunder_Child | assuming i understand you correctly, yes |
| 06:03.12 | looksharp | ok |
| 06:03.44 | Ihklept | I'm not 100 percent sure what he was asking either... Lol. |
| 06:03.51 | looksharp | what is the best IDE or enivrounmet for develop addon that use lua scripting |
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| 06:04.06 | Arrowmaster | notepad |
| 06:04.11 | looksharp | really ? |
| 06:04.12 | looksharp | lol |
| 06:04.12 | Thunder_Child | ++ |
| 06:04.31 | Arrowmaster | no but any programming text editor |
| 06:04.42 | Arrowmaster | there is no IDE |
| 06:04.48 | looksharp | i see |
| 06:05.01 | Cairenn | most in here do in fact just use a text editor, like notepad++ |
| 06:05.04 | Ihklept | Notepad++ for syntax hilighting but if you're not too picky about that, Notepad is awesome for any scripting. |
| 06:05.16 | Dagmar | averts his eyes |
| 06:05.32 | kdtresh | i use notepad2, but i've never tried notepad++, it may be better |
| 06:06.15 | Ihklept | Open source! *high five* |
| 06:06.21 | Arrowmaster | text editor with line numbers is all you need |
| 06:06.41 | Dagmar | worships at the temple of Vim |
| 06:07.35 | Arrowmaster | is still looking for a good graphical text editor |
| 06:08.09 | Ihklept | I am having an issue while designing my issue and I think it has to do with scaling. How do I get my bitmap fonts to accurately reflect how they are designed to look? :[ |
| 06:08.22 | Cairenn | I presume most of you have already seen this, for XML, yes? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30609 |
| 06:09.42 | Arrowmaster | no but i am unimpressed |
| 06:12.09 | Ihklept | Oh, I think I may have solved my problem. :D |
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| 06:18.11 | Ihklept | Nope, still frustrated. :P |
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| 06:38.49 | Kraps | rawr, spamming chain heal ftw |
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| 07:12.42 | Adys | OH MY GOD |
| 07:12.51 | Adys | I just got the pun on K9 :/ |
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| 07:26.21 | Kraps | eh? |
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| 07:36.43 | ccox | Adys - only 30 years behind, eh? |
| 07:36.53 | Adys | big time yeah |
| 07:37.10 | ccox | Sigh, got the blue drake reins to drop - then discover they require 300 riding skill (epic flying) |
| 07:45.28 | ccox | of course, this toon doesn't have epic flying, or nearly that much gold |
| 07:49.00 | Shirik | carry on, carry on, the chanting has begun |
| 07:52.06 | Shirik | Adys |
| 07:52.08 | Shirik | really? |
| 07:52.17 | Shirik | Like dude |
| 07:52.22 | Shirik | Even for a Canadian that's pretty bad |
| 07:52.34 | Adys | I know |
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| 08:07.28 | Shirik | ok night |
| 08:07.33 | Shirik | I will be watching you Adys |
| 08:09.22 | Adys | watches Shirik |
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| 08:15.42 | Wobin | If a random party is created via the Dungeon Finder and a player cannot roll Need on an item, a reason will now be provided. |
| 08:16.05 | Wobin | does this mean, though, that people still can't roll out of 'class' materials? like healing cloth |
| 08:16.07 | Wobin | ? |
| 08:16.33 | Audible | yeah, i u a warr dn u cnot rll hlz0r clothes |
| 08:16.48 | Wobin | Adys, ... K9 from Dr Who? |
| 08:16.56 | Adys | yes |
| 08:17.03 | Wobin | wow, Shirik was right |
| 08:17.33 | Shirik | omg, I'm going to kill you waking me up for that crap |
| 08:17.38 | Shirik | goes back to sleep |
| 08:17.43 | Wobin | lies in wait |
| 08:18.07 | Shirik | fortunately I wasn't asleep yet, I was almost asleep |
| 08:18.11 | Shirik | or else you would have felt my wrath |
| 08:18.31 | Wobin | would the wrath be consistant of somewhat blind flailing of arms |
| 08:18.36 | Wobin | and gnashing of teeth? |
| 08:19.33 | Adys | night Shirik |
| 08:19.41 | mikma | poke in the eye |
| 08:20.59 | mikma | so, shirik has voice on in his computer and hears all the pings |
| 08:21.18 | Shirik | I'm going to put you all on ignore in a second |
| 08:21.38 | mikma | wake me up, before you go go, shirik |
| 08:23.02 | Adys | mikma: don't annoy shirik like that |
| 08:23.05 | Wobin | woo |
| 08:23.05 | Wobin | http://software.bootblock.co.uk/?id=comical |
| 08:23.09 | Wobin | this is pretty cool |
| 08:23.22 | Shirik | ok this entire channel's on ignore for tonight |
| 08:23.30 | Adys | see you tomorrow <3 |
| 08:24.15 | Adys | hey who wants to annoy shirik in #wowace |
| 08:25.04 | Wobin | too slow, Adys =P |
| 08:25.38 | Adys | lol |
| 08:35.11 | Wobin | http://lifehacker.com/5472189/turn-yarn-into-a-modern-lampshade |
| 08:35.14 | Wobin | is a pretty cool idea |
| 08:37.24 | Thunder_Child | Shirik is fail. having an audible ping when trying to sleep is retarded |
| 08:42.19 | Wobin | you're too slow, Thunder_Child, Shirik already ignored the channel =P |
| 08:45.50 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: i bet he only turned down his sound |
| 08:46.18 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.23 | Thunder_Child | yes |
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| 09:17.37 | Torhal | Goddamn Wine. |
| 09:18.04 | mikma | drunk again? |
| 09:18.43 | Torhal | Heh, nah. For some reason, I can't get sound from WoW to my USB headset. |
| 09:18.51 | Torhal | I can get WCIII sound just fine. |
| 09:20.47 | mikma | Random dungeon 15 minute vote kick limit gone in 3.3.3 |
| 09:20.48 | mikma | It's not mentioned in the notes, but the Vote Kick option no longer has a 15-minute cooldown. Enjoy. |
| 09:22.54 | mikma | purl: note to shirik: is your pillow ok? |
| 09:22.55 | purl | ACTION takes note of to shirik: is your pillow ok and submits the information to google |
| 09:23.07 | mikma | bleh :O |
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| 11:00.28 | zenzelezz | http://punditkitchen.com/2010/02/20/political-pictures-vladimir-putin-want-has/ |
| 11:02.20 | mikma | scytheblade1: are you ok? |
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| 11:49.13 | olafski | shadowed: 0 filtered, 30 events found on your log fixer, it said please report this so here I am ;p |
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| 11:55.17 | mikma | olafski: i didn't get the whole idea of this "log fixer" :D |
| 11:55.49 | olafski | me neither but if it works I'm happy with it |
| 11:56.14 | mikma | .. works how compared to what |
| 11:56.30 | olafski | oh I mean I don't know how it works, I know _why_ it exists though :P |
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| 12:00.40 | mikma | olafski: why does it exist? |
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| 12:01.34 | olafski | mikma: sometimes the combat log somehow "stops working" |
| 12:01.55 | olafski | so any addons which rely on it don't work anymore (recount, healcomm for instance) |
| 12:02.12 | mikma | does this fix it properly |
| 12:02.14 | olafski | this log fixer claims to fix that situation without having to restart wow |
| 12:02.21 | olafski | I dunno, I haven't encountered the problem since I installed it |
| 12:02.39 | olafski | has only been a couple of days though, and the problem usually occured to me about once a week |
| 12:03.16 | olafski | when I just shifted into bear form it reported that it was fixed.. so perhaps today I encountered a broken combat log ;) |
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| 12:30.07 | olafski | aww, had a lock pull more mobs and wipe the group on HoL, he didn't corpserun so we didn't rez him.. just as we engage loken he finally decides to corpserun, comes in and dies to loken's "range = damage" aura :D |
| 12:30.27 | Zyonin | he he, owned |
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| 13:04.07 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: LAN with a friend |
| 13:04.28 | ScytheBlade1 | friends rather |
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| 13:20.08 | olafski | http://www.cracked.com/article_18377_5-reasons-you-should-be-scared-apple.html <-- nice example of why removing common words from the title for your search engine friendly url is not always a good idea.. |
| 13:20.15 | olafski | interesting article too, especially point #1 ;) |
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| 13:59.45 | tlund | ckknight: there is a ticket for LibJostle-3.0 that is untouched since 8 Mar 2009 :( |
| 13:59.57 | tlund | ckknight: (and its probably easy to fix) |
| 14:00.23 | ckknight | fix old bug vs. play starcraft 2 |
| 14:00.30 | ckknight | let's let the viewers decide this one |
| 14:00.53 | olafski | fix bug |
| 14:02.14 | Maldivia | ckknight: considering some companies doesn't fix their bug till after 15-20 years, I'd go with SC2 :P |
| 14:15.30 | Wobin | Cherry Ripe Brownies success |
| 14:15.55 | Wobin | although next time I might actually add actual chili, instead of just the lindt flavoured chocolate |
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| 14:28.33 | Kraps | heya |
| 14:30.07 | Kraps | Glacial Bag now has a 7 days cooldown. |
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| 14:34.33 | Fisker | old |
| 14:35.55 | Xinhuan | oh geez i wish i have time to play sc2 |
| 14:35.56 | Kraps | whats the point of this change? |
| 14:36.25 | foxlit | Allows them to use the special cloth mats for other recipes without flooding the bag market |
| 14:37.13 | Kraps | ah because of the cd removal |
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| 14:44.11 | Kraps | how do people know that the ruby sanctum will be in 3.3.5? O_o |
| 14:44.31 | Wobin | !api rankinfo |
| 14:44.32 | lua_bot | GetPVPRankInfo: Returns information about a given PvP rank index (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPVPRankInfo) |
| 14:44.36 | Wobin | !api rank |
| 14:44.37 | lua_bot | Found 13 possible matches for 'rank'. Please be more specific |
| 14:44.40 | Wobin | !api guildrank |
| 14:44.40 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'guildrank'. |
| 14:48.24 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: by reading blue posts, duh |
| 14:49.02 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
| 14:49.06 | Fisker | how is it being wrong? |
| 14:49.23 | Gnarfoz | I'm never wrong |
| 14:49.24 | Kraps | no hes right |
| 14:49.29 | Kraps | As we prepare for the public testing phase of minor content patch 3.3.3, some players might come across information regarding upcoming content that isn't yet available. To avoid any confusion, we'd like to tell you about an exciting new raid dungeon we are working on for content patch 3.3.5. |
| 14:49.46 | Gnarfoz | I doubt he was referring to that |
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| 14:52.11 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 14:54.18 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK9Vzdjtxtg&feature=player_embedded |
| 15:04.24 | Wobin | wow |
| 15:04.29 | Wobin | guitarist is good =) |
| 15:05.40 | Wobin | and commenter is correct, Patitucci's face looks like a muppet =P |
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| 15:28.25 | shifuimam | good morning y'al; |
| 15:29.02 | shifuimam | y'all, even. anyhow, i have an addon that's broken. i didn't write it, but i awnt to fix it if i can. i'm getting the "attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)" on a line of code that is checking to see if something is nil |
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| 15:32.29 | shifuimam | dead this morning, apparently |
| 15:41.39 | mikma | shifuimam: is this for private servers? |
| 15:46.54 | frontendloader | mail really laggy in kalimdor again :( |
| 15:47.57 | zenzelezz | infrastructure in Kalimdor just isn't up to par with Eastern Kingdoms. The roads are sub-par, and there's all kinds of dangers |
| 15:48.34 | frontendloader | shifuimam: you should use (if not myVariable) instead of (if myVariable == nil) |
| 15:48.35 | shifuimam | mikma: UHHH NO |
| 15:48.39 | shifuimam | oops |
| 15:50.05 | shifuimam | frontendloader: it's doing if(name ~= nil) |
| 15:50.16 | shifuimam | if (name ~= nil and (list[realm][name] ~= nil and list[realm][name] == "")) then |
| 15:55.54 | mikma | shifuimam: what about list[realm], is it nil? |
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| 15:57.02 | haste | shifuimam: then realm is nil |
| 15:57.49 | haste | lua> a = {} return a[b][c] |
| 15:57.49 | lua_bot | haste: luabot:1: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value) |
| 15:57.56 | Fisker | you wouldn't haste |
| 15:58.02 | mikma | yes. you would. |
| 15:58.05 | haste | and you wouldn't either! |
| 15:58.11 | Fisker | i would |
| 15:58.32 | haste | but it's illegal! |
| 15:59.58 | Fisker | it isn't |
| 16:01.07 | Bruners | im with haste on this |
| 16:01.38 | haste | but man! |
| 16:01.50 | haste | getting fire wood in your t-shirt isn't such a good idea :D |
| 16:02.11 | haste | especially when you manage to slide like a ceiling full of snow down your back :V |
| 16:06.05 | Fisker | you wouldn't Bruners |
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| 16:10.19 | Bruners | haste: fire wood, t-shirt, ceiling full of snow, wat |
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| 16:11.59 | Fisker | YOU WOULDN'T BRUNERS |
| 16:11.59 | Fisker | k? |
| 16:15.11 | haste | Bruners: roof ofc! |
| 16:15.16 | haste | I blame the coldness of the snow D: |
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| 16:17.53 | Kalroth | the fisker, the fisker, the fisker is on fire, we don't need no water let the motherfucker burn |
| 16:18.05 | Kalroth | (sorry, I thought of that song when I read 'roof') |
| 16:23.06 | Kraps | is there a way to code to immediately accept when the LFD queue pops? |
| 16:23.09 | Fisker | reported to the politi for the trusler on livet |
| 16:25.00 | olafski | anyone? http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=47731;50271 which one should I use as a druid tank? |
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| 16:25.40 | Kraps | olafski: clutch |
| 16:25.56 | olafski | mkay.. 35 more emblems to go then :) |
| 16:26.00 | Kraps | oh wait a druid |
| 16:26.23 | Kraps | curse you and your non-standardness! |
| 16:26.24 | olafski | wowhead's item weight seems to agree |
| 16:26.26 | Kraps | :p |
| 16:26.58 | Thrae | olafski: Def. Clutch. The only thing crit is really good for is threat problems, and you shouldn't be having those at iLevel 230+ |
| 16:27.35 | olafski | agi also adds dodge though.. but I guess def/dodge rating adds more :) |
| 16:27.54 | Thrae | Yes, it definitely does, Agi was recently nerfed for Bears anyway |
| 16:28.04 | olafski | I'll get both triumph rings then |
| 16:28.11 | nevcairiel | it was nerfed again? |
| 16:28.28 | nevcairiel | We stopped geming agi now? |
| 16:28.41 | olafski | I'm gemming sta for now |
| 16:28.47 | Thrae | I think Agi was nerfed so Ferals have to carry around three-four sets |
| 16:29.03 | olafski | oh I have one sta/agi gem |
| 16:29.04 | Thrae | Gemming Agi? I'm still gemming Stamina, but I don't have full T10 yet |
| 16:29.41 | olafski | I have no tier 10 at all ;) |
| 16:29.46 | olafski | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonblight&n=Druidski |
| 16:29.47 | nevcairiel | maybe its because i'm a healer, i just like being hit less, then to survive longer without being healed :D |
| 16:30.08 | olafski | helps if you can take two hits in a row rather than having to rely on avoiding the second hit though |
| 16:30.31 | Thrae | Well the problem with recent ICC fights, in my opinion, is that there's a lot of high-level damage that you CAN'T avoid (magic, or just cannot avoid) |
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| 16:31.31 | Thrae | You can see from the T9 set with the Barkskin reduction along with the changes to Barkskin in general that Bears were meant to soak up more damage than any other tank, but also take less spikey damage |
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| 16:32.11 | Thrae | Other tanks have ways of avoiding spikey damage, but they can't soak it up as good as Bears can, they need pin-point precision |
| 16:33.43 | Thrae | Of course a lot of healers complain about Bear tanks because they're used to spikey damage already and not used to just spamming bigger heals |
| 16:34.03 | p3lim | anyone got a FrameXML diff from the PTR yet? |
| 16:35.54 | Thrae | The best Healer for a Bear Tank is, perhaps a little bit ironic, a Resto Druid. The worst type of healer I've found is a Healadin. A Druid just constantly takes (less) damage so lots of HoTs are good. Healadins need to spam their Big Heals a lot. |
| 16:36.28 | Kalroth | Fisker: if I didnt know better then I'd think you are my neighbour |
| 16:36.34 | Thrae | But I've mainly been on the receiving end of Pally heals |
| 16:37.05 | Kalroth | the fucker just shoveled his snow over to my entrance |
| 16:37.19 | Adys | Kalroth! |
| 16:37.20 | Adys | http://juberti.blogspot.com/2010/02/google-voice-and-video-v1021.html |
| 16:37.25 | Thrae | Kalroth: Sounds like you found a Libertarian |
| 16:37.25 | Adys | Fixed an issue that could cause crashes when receiving H.264 FU-A NAL units |
| 16:37.30 | Adys | Look they're talking about you! |
| 16:37.52 | Kalroth | Look the first comment is talking like you! |
| 16:38.29 | Kalroth | i like the term for H.264 though |
| 16:38.37 | Kalroth | commercial shit! |
| 16:40.55 | Kalroth | man, it isnt even fake, there really is a FU-A packet |
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| 16:57.47 | Cairenn | WobWork: scottie took BiS at WKC |
| 16:59.03 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:03.02 | Gagorian | ~weather eftu |
| 17:04.05 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Fisker!~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (How dare you slap Cairenn) |
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| 17:05.16 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:05.28 | Shirik | why is your ident "brb" |
| 17:05.30 | Shirik | u lie |
| 17:08.08 | Fisker | i want to make sweet love to ur rectum Shirik |
| 17:08.52 | Kraps | wat is this |
| 17:09.17 | Shirik | Does freenode require that your forward and reverse DNS match? |
| 17:09.29 | Shirik | I just realized that I've never seen anyone here with a bogus hostmask |
| 17:10.16 | Adys | Kalroth: yep |
| 17:10.36 | Adys | Shirik: it doesnt |
| 17:10.43 | Adys | and Im pretty sure i have |
| 17:13.17 | Shirik | Adys: wow. |
| 17:13.27 | Adys | wat |
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| 17:14.38 | Shirik | Fixed an issue that could cause crashes when receiving H.264 FU-A NAL units |
| 17:15.41 | Kalroth | Adys: http://imgsrv.gocomics.com/dim/?fh=46905675faa24faeb59e201341cce45a&w=900.0 |
| 17:15.56 | Adys | yeah shirik |
| 17:17.02 | Adys | Kalroth: points for javatar, removed when a computer asks to write java code |
| 17:17.05 | Shirik | I don't get it really |
| 17:17.14 | Shirik | but I haven't seen Avatar |
| 17:17.27 | Adys | you should, it's really pretty |
| 17:17.31 | Adys | the plot is shit but it looks cool. |
| 17:17.46 | Kalroth | and the blue chicks are half naked |
| 17:17.56 | theorbtwo | I, OTOH, would say that the plot is transparent, but done well. |
| 17:18.12 | theorbtwo | ...and yes, the scantly clad blue chick is quite attractive. |
| 17:18.36 | Fisker | Dial T for Trolling |
| 17:18.47 | Kalroth | Put it this way; Avatar with special effects is a 8-9. Avatar without special effects would be a 3-4. |
| 17:19.09 | Adys | !g avatar pocahontas |
| 17:19.27 | Adys | batbot is the most useless bot in this channel |
| 17:19.32 | Kalroth | haha |
| 17:19.39 | amro | Shirik: I require your assitance |
| 17:19.46 | Adys | Shirik http://www.filmgulp.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/avatar_pocahontas_script.jpg |
| 17:19.48 | Shirik | no you do not |
| 17:19.52 | amro | yes I do |
| 17:20.03 | Shirik | so what you're saying is you need me |
| 17:20.04 | amro | you're the only one I know who's not allergic to MSVC and its mysterious ways |
| 17:20.23 | Adys | I think he just developed antibodies |
| 17:20.26 | Adys | (get it? developed!) |
| 17:20.30 | Shirik | what's up? |
| 17:20.32 | amro | ~rimshot |
| 17:20.33 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 17:21.03 | amro | Shirik: I'm getting that linker warning about MSVCRTD and I think it might be causing the problems |
| 17:21.09 | amro | how did you fix it last time? |
| 17:21.23 | Shirik | it means you're linking two different versions of the same library |
| 17:21.30 | Shirik | which means you're compiling against two different versions of the SDK |
| 17:21.37 | Shirik | such as one static and one dynamic |
| 17:21.40 | Shirik | or one debug and one release |
| 17:22.05 | amro | so I need to recompile all the libs and make sure to use the same mode? |
| 17:22.09 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:22.16 | amro | fun |
| 17:22.29 | Shirik | you should just compile both versions of the lib tbh |
| 17:22.32 | Shirik | and put a "d" on one of them |
| 17:22.44 | amro | does it automatically load hte debug version? |
| 17:22.49 | amro | or do I have to explicit link to it? |
| 17:22.56 | amro | explicitly* |
| 17:23.03 | Shirik | explicit link, but you can have a different configuration between debug and release mode |
| 17:23.16 | amro | yeah, but I need to do that in cmake |
| 17:25.04 | mikma | lol shirik |
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| 17:27.29 | Fisker | i'm a law abiding citizen Shirik |
| 17:36.14 | amro | that wasn't it :( |
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| 18:54.14 | Kraps | word of the day: foreboding (noun) A sense of impending evil or misfortune |
| 18:55.11 | airtonix | !logs |
| 18:55.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ~logs |
| 18:55.21 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 18:55.25 | airtonix | cheers |
| 18:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | also, points to anyone who can tell me why this bit of code dies with "main method not found" |
| 18:55.46 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/133306 |
| 18:55.52 | ScytheBlade1 | (I know the answer, just curious) |
| 18:56.11 | ScytheBlade1 | namely, java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: main |
| 18:56.28 | airtonix | are you sure that is the correct place for the logs ? |
| 18:56.34 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 18:56.40 | airtonix | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23freenode ? |
| 18:56.53 | airtonix | nvm |
| 18:56.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That channel isn't logged by purl |
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| 18:58.35 | nevcairiel | ScytheBlade1: because its using the wrong String as the argument |
| 18:58.47 | Dagmar | Try https://echelon.nsa.gov/%23freenode |
| 18:58.54 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 18:59.04 | nevcairiel | do i get a cookie now? |
| 18:59.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ~cookie nevcairiel |
| 18:59.40 | zenzelezz | websites that still don't use <label> for radio/checkboxes suck |
| 19:02.45 | Kraps | wtb more 3.3.3 news kthnx |
| 19:03.12 | mikma | mohr |
| 19:03.50 | zenzelezz | moar |
| 19:05.17 | nevcairiel | its the weekend |
| 19:05.48 | Kraps | excuses |
| 19:05.51 | zenzelezz | "Sjekker om fisker har gått gjennom isen"... I saw this news article title and got all excited, then I noticed there was no capital F... |
| 19:06.13 | Fisker | fffffffffffffuu-? |
| 19:06.38 | nevcairiel | ~x no en Sjekker om fisker har gått gjennom isen |
| 19:07.34 | nevcairiel | ~help x |
| 19:07.47 | WobWork | 6am starts are a terrible terrible thing |
| 19:08.14 | nevcairiel | bah, its still using babelfish, and that cant do no |
| 19:08.20 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: rougly "Checking if fisherman/person fishing has fallen through the ice" |
| 19:08.20 | nevcairiel | they should switch that to google |
| 19:08.23 | haste | nevcairiel: checking if fishers have gone through the ice |
| 19:08.31 | nevcairiel | i looked it up on google by now :p |
| 19:08.37 | haste | :p |
| 19:09.09 | olafski | is there a way to turn those 3d views off on the armory? |
| 19:09.16 | olafski | other than just blocking the applet |
| 19:09.18 | nevcairiel | sure, disable flash |
| 19:09.19 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:09.21 | olafski | flash* |
| 19:09.34 | olafski | I don't want to disable flash.. do you take me for some linux user? :s |
| 19:09.36 | nevcairiel | the armory isnt big on ptions |
| 19:09.36 | haste | or just block it! |
| 19:09.43 | nevcairiel | flashblock ftw |
| 19:09.46 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.53 | olafski | I'll just block this specific flash then |
| 19:09.57 | Dagmar | Flash works fine under Linux for me |
| 19:10.11 | nevcairiel | most of the time, it does |
| 19:10.17 | haste | it still has issues |
| 19:10.17 | olafski | I know dagmar.. but I have this feeling that the people who are paranoid about JS / Flash are not windows users |
| 19:10.19 | nevcairiel | but it crashes on x64 alot |
| 19:10.27 | olafski | this 3d viewer grinds my pc to a halt |
| 19:10.32 | nevcairiel | I'm not paranoid about flash, it just anoys me |
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| 19:10.35 | nevcairiel | so i use a flashblocker |
| 19:10.38 | olafski | (not my gaming pc) |
| 19:10.53 | haste | and it works as an annoying ad-blocker as well |
| 19:11.03 | olafski | I have abp for that :P |
| 19:11.31 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 19:11.46 | haste | I don't use abp :P |
| 19:11.58 | haste | I don't mind most ads, just the ones that play annoying sound |
| 19:12.01 | olafski | I don't want ads, I don't mind flash or javascript.. good solution for me ;) |
| 19:12.26 | haste | I've not mentioned anything about javascript :P |
| 19:12.35 | nevcairiel | I usually turn off the adblocker on pages i frequently visit and want to support |
| 19:12.45 | olafski | haste: no, but some people dislike javascript too :P |
| 19:12.48 | nevcairiel | and have no annoying ads |
| 19:12.58 | haste | only reason I use flashblocker is because it can be so unstable |
| 19:13.13 | haste | not too uncommon for it to hog one core at 100% usage |
| 19:13.22 | olafski | abp or flashblock/javascript block make wowwiki about a gazillion times as fast :> |
| 19:13.23 | nevcairiel | I use it for silly pages that start some sound shit in flash or similar |
| 19:13.33 | haste | and the fact that it used to kill the browser quite a lot :P |
| 19:13.33 | olafski | haven't seen anything like that for years oO |
| 19:13.44 | haste | there's ads once in a while |
| 19:13.57 | haste | that starts shit as soon as your mouse touchse them, and never stops :V |
| 19:14.04 | nevcairiel | you know those funny click the monkey ads? :P |
| 19:14.15 | olafski | it'd be nice if firefox had that "if one tab crashes your other tabs are fine" from chrome.. happens sometimes that firefox uses 100% cpu and I get to figure out which tab it was |
| 19:14.22 | olafski | nevcairiel: no, what are those? :P |
| 19:14.34 | nevcairiel | i switched to chrome a week ago or so |
| 19:14.46 | olafski | I tried switching but couldn't get used to seeing ads |
| 19:15.07 | nevcairiel | eh, too lazy to find a adblocker for chrome, eh? |
| 19:15.09 | olafski | it's not a bad browser but not nice enough for me yet |
| 19:15.10 | olafski | yeah |
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| 19:15.14 | haste | olafski: they're working on porting firefox onto that model, but it isn't exactly smoething you can just drop in and do :p |
| 19:15.15 | olafski | definitely |
| 19:15.22 | olafski | no I understand haste :) |
| 19:15.35 | Amarande | is still pondering this 9800GT |
| 19:15.54 | nevcairiel | haste: since the trunk got those changes to at least run plugins in another process, its unstable like hell |
| 19:15.57 | airtonix | anyone familiar with the iamge that shows the lifecycle of a meme from day one to day 79 or something ? |
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| 19:16.10 | olafski | seen it yes airtonix |
| 19:16.16 | olafski | it was posted here a few days ago I think |
| 19:16.19 | airtonix | im pretty sure i posted it here but i cant find it in the logs |
| 19:16.27 | olafski | let's see |
| 19:16.50 | airtonix | its a photo of a presentation stand at a hall... |
| 19:17.00 | haste | nevcairiel: I'm not using trunk atm so :p |
| 19:17.18 | nevcairiel | outdated software! |
| 19:17.28 | olafski | airtonix: hmm. maybe another image I'm thinking of |
| 19:17.36 | haste | nevcairiel: too lazy to write an exheres for it! |
| 19:17.43 | olafski | airtonix: http://i.imgur.com/2kbZ6.jpg is the only one that qualifies in my logs, but we'll never know if that's the one you posted :) |
| 19:17.46 | nevcairiel | cant that thing use ebuilds? |
| 19:17.54 | olafski | eh. you definitely posted it but not sure if that's the one you meant |
| 19:18.07 | haste | nevcairiel: yes, but meh :P |
| 19:20.12 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/02/we_meet_again_chatrouletters_a.php |
| 19:20.35 | Adys | firefox shouldnt complain because of this |
| 19:21.04 | Adys | its started being sluggy/slutty after 1.5 |
| 19:22.25 | olafski | one of the people in my workgroup gave a demo on the tool he was working on, and he used safari a bit.. scrolling somehow seems really smooth in that browser, is that because of osx or because of the browser? |
| 19:22.28 | nevcairiel | firefox is pretty sluggish on anything thats not windows, they mostly focus their UI implementation on that, everything else feels slow |
| 19:23.04 | Shirik | carry on, carry on, the chanting has begun; a hymn of fame and glory forever |
| 19:23.08 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 19:23.11 | Fisker | but not really |
| 19:23.17 | Shirik | and ride on, ride on, in union we are strong; a symphony for freedom and glory |
| 19:23.24 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 19:23.25 | Shirik | ride on |
| 19:23.51 | Amarande | actually, it's thought that it's not really *firefox's* fault there |
| 19:23.57 | Adys | it is |
| 19:23.59 | Amarande | but rather more to do with X vs. Windows font rendering |
| 19:24.03 | Adys | no |
| 19:24.15 | nevcairiel | other apps and browsers are fine, of course its their fualt |
| 19:24.28 | nevcairiel | besides, firefox also has horrible default choices for fonts on linux |
| 19:24.32 | Shirik | firefox is just bad |
| 19:24.34 | Shirik | end of discussion |
| 19:24.37 | Adys | yea |
| 19:24.39 | Adys | and yes |
| 19:24.54 | Amarande | nevcairiel, at least it doesn't have access to Arial :) |
| 19:25.01 | nevcairiel | sure it does |
| 19:25.10 | nevcairiel | everyone has the ms core fonts installed, anyway :d |
| 19:25.13 | Amarande | at least if you don't install msttcorefonts |
| 19:26.05 | Amarande | I'm not sure I *did* install msttcorefonts actually. |
| 19:26.33 | Shirik | wow, my server went nuts last night |
| 19:26.34 | Shirik | CRITICAL - load average: 38.05, 56.17, 48.57 |
| 19:26.37 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/02/20/know-your-lore-bolvar-fordragon-page-2/ niiiiiice |
| 19:26.39 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/mainoskupla1.png |
| 19:26.45 | Shirik | that's about 56 times the typical average |
| 19:28.12 | Amarande | Arial is just plan bad, anyway |
| 19:28.15 | Amarande | helvetica ftw |
| 19:29.32 | nevcairiel | Shirik: i'm guessing thats a single cpu system? |
| 19:29.37 | Shirik | nope, 4 |
| 19:29.49 | Shirik | it's not surprising tbh, I know SOMETHING went wrong |
| 19:29.49 | nevcairiel | still alot of load |
| 19:29.59 | Shirik | because I got disconnected from IRC and I got 4 alerts of services down |
| 19:30.03 | nevcairiel | 56 means it could've filled 56 cpus with stuff to do :D |
| 19:30.08 | Shirik | I just have no idea what it was |
| 19:32.08 | nevcairiel | usually its some service acting up, someone trying to run some DoS on apache and causing it to spawn a gazillion instances, or similar |
| 19:33.30 | Dagmar | . o O ( Process monitoring ) |
| 19:35.12 | Shirik | there's literally nothing in my logs |
| 19:35.23 | Shirik | it's really just "Everything's working peachy OH WTF JUST HAPPENED" |
| 19:35.47 | Shirik | just some random typical stuff like Feb 21 13:50:06 heresiarchguild cron[27579]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons ) |
| 19:35.50 | Shirik | and then 20 lines of SERVICE ALERT |
| 19:36.26 | Shirik | w/e as long as it's working now I really don't care |
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| 19:38.18 | Adys | hmm |
| 19:42.17 | mikma | bolvar is badass |
| 19:43.14 | zenzelezz | Alliance players who did their Onyxia question knew this long ago |
| 19:43.27 | zenzelezz | uhm... quest |
| 19:43.44 | zenzelezz | guess that confirms horde players' opinions of alliance intellect |
| 19:43.57 | mikma | yeah, did it several times := |
| 19:43.59 | mikma | :)* |
| 19:44.20 | zenzelezz | LFM BRD Marshal run! |
| 19:44.35 | Adys | zenzelezz: knew what? |
| 19:44.47 | zenzelezz | that Bolvar is badass |
| 19:44.50 | Adys | oh |
| 19:44.52 | Adys | yes he is |
| 19:45.16 | zenzelezz | I think what I enjoyed most about the Onyxia quest was watching the AFK PvPers die |
| 19:45.25 | Adys | haha |
| 19:45.27 | Adys | I remember that |
| 19:47.03 | Adys | I'm going to make an addon to use the quest history and be able to upload the sv to the db |
| 19:47.23 | Adys | and have a clear, categorized/filterable listing of shit thats completed and that isnt |
| 19:47.33 | zenzelezz | that would be sweet |
| 19:49.59 | Amarande | zenzelezz, Onyxia questlines: another reason why it was much better to be Horde |
| 19:50.17 | Amarande | the Alliance design folks seem to <3 escort quests much more than the Horde folks |
| 19:50.17 | zenzelezz | I thought the horde felt their quest chain was much worse? |
| 19:50.20 | foxlit | Aw, nonsense. Windsor is awesome! |
| 19:50.25 | Amarande | At least it didn't have an escort |
| 19:50.46 | Dagmar | Doesn't matter if it's worse or if it's better. Horde players will find a reason to whine about it |
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| 19:50.57 | aweaver | ? |
| 19:51.13 | zenzelezz | I am reminded of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyQ-7o397Uk (interactive Horde quest chain) |
| 19:52.19 | Amarande | tends to avoid escort quests like plague, unless the follow-up is important or they give a good reward |
| 19:58.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: ... you REALLY think that there are DIFFERENT teams that work on alliance vs horde quests? |
| 19:58.13 | NightHawkTheSane | boggles |
| 19:59.49 | Amarande | Night: in old world? I wouldn't be surprised |
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| 19:59.57 | Amarande | in the expansions ... probably not |
| 20:00.52 | NightHawkTheSane | no, its a moronic idea regardless. |
| 20:02.15 | haste | Amarande: the alliance onyxia chain was like: kill random mob outisde SW, pickup a stick, and done compared to the horde one :P |
| 20:04.40 | NightHawkTheSane | lore-wise, the alliance one was far more rewarding. the horde one also involved more annoying running-all-over-the-world. but i didn't really find either of them necessarily harder or easier than the other. |
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| 20:05.54 | zenzelezz | LFM UBRS (must have key!) |
| 20:06.10 | foxlit | has the UBRS key! |
| 20:06.22 | foxlit | is not joining your group. You're only after my precious key! |
| 20:06.24 | NightHawkTheSane | has the ubrs key on several characters. |
| 20:06.43 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: man, that key made it so easy to get groups on my rogue back in the day ;) |
| 20:08.42 | zenzelezz | I never forgave the mage that rolled need on (and won) the Chromatic Carapace |
| 20:09.16 | NightHawkTheSane | suck :( |
| 20:09.37 | Amarande | still has the UBRS key on the 'lock |
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| 20:11.34 | zenzelezz | I still have almost, if not all, keys I think |
| 20:13.05 | Cide | LFM Violet Hold HAVE KEY |
| 20:13.29 | kd3 | lmao |
| 20:13.37 | NightHawkTheSane | LFM Cide's Mom, HAVE KEY |
| 20:14.41 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30844 << :( |
| 20:14.41 | nevcairiel | I have all keys, except the one to do ICC heroic :P |
| 20:15.09 | NightHawkTheSane | I think I'm missing the key to searing gorge |
| 20:15.10 | foxlit | I don't think I can reply to that without being excessively mean :( |
| 20:15.22 | NightHawkTheSane | but that might be difficult to get on my troll. |
| 20:16.14 | zenzelezz | I had that. It was stolen when I faction changed |
| 20:16.18 | nevcairiel | can you even still get that? |
| 20:16.42 | foxlit | The key, as alliance? |
| 20:16.47 | foxlit | Surely. |
| 20:17.28 | nevcairiel | Anyway, a week on that error? |
| 20:17.42 | nevcairiel | I pity some people |
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| 20:21.02 | Amarande | hmm, of the horde obtainable keys/attunements which ones am I missing ... |
| 20:21.43 | Amarande | I *think* just the ones for the last two ICC5's, the one for ICC heroic, & the one for MGT heroic |
| 20:22.41 | nevcairiel | the icc5s and mgt are just "do the instance once", or well in icc case, do the previous instance once =P |
| 20:23.39 | Amarande | Yeah, I never got around to doing any ICC5, and as for MGT, the only time I ever went there was with a fail PUG that got slaughtered on the third boss |
| 20:23.49 | nevcairiel | third .. third |
| 20:23.51 | Amarande | (which apparently happened a lot in those days though) |
| 20:23.54 | nevcairiel | the council? |
| 20:24.00 | Amarande | nevcairiel, the one that's like a whole enemy party. |
| 20:24.12 | nevcairiel | the council. |
| 20:24.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 20:24.19 | Amarande | yeah. |
| 20:24.31 | nevcairiel | that can be rough |
| 20:24.39 | nevcairiel | although on normal? not so much |
| 20:24.51 | Amarande | normal MGT back in the day was as hard or harder than most heroics, though |
| 20:25.10 | nevcairiel | most heroics were a hoke, too |
| 20:25.16 | nevcairiel | s/hoke/joke/ |
| 20:25.28 | Amarande | tell that to the fail PUG I did heroic slave pens with |
| 20:25.31 | Amarande | I think we took about four hours |
| 20:25.40 | NightHawkTheSane | idiots are idiots. it doesn't mean slave pens was hard. |
| 20:25.47 | Amarande | or we might have just not had the gear |
| 20:25.53 | Amarande | BC was apparently a lot more gearist than WotLK |
| 20:25.54 | nevcairiel | gear for slave pens? |
| 20:26.09 | nevcairiel | i hit 70 on my warrior and went off tanking heroics in quest gear |
| 20:26.14 | Amarande | nev: back in those days, they expected full or near full epics just to do a heroic in BC |
| 20:26.20 | NightHawkTheSane | durnhold, shattered halls, and maybe the second room in shadow lab was the only real hard heroic stuff i remember |
| 20:26.32 | nevcairiel | shattered halls pre-nerf time run |
| 20:26.37 | nevcairiel | now that was great heroic action |
| 20:26.38 | kd3 | ugh |
| 20:26.39 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that was rough |
| 20:26.40 | kd3 | ugh |
| 20:26.56 | kd3 | I ran that too many times to help people get attuned |
| 20:27.01 | nevcairiel | i was in the only 5 man group that managed to do it pre nerf |
| 20:27.08 | nevcairiel | in our guild |
| 20:27.12 | Amarande | I tried getting groups with my greens/blues/1 or 2 epics equipped warlock |
| 20:27.17 | Amarande | and I kept getting told no you dont have the gear go away |
| 20:27.26 | Amarande | seriously I had better luck getting into KARA than heroics |
| 20:27.28 | nevcairiel | tanking it on my warrior was always a real challenge |
| 20:27.41 | nevcairiel | silly warriors and their lack of aoe tanking |
| 20:27.43 | Amarande | (and I only went to kara maybe 2 times :P) |
| 20:27.46 | nevcairiel | back then, anyway |
| 20:27.59 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i loved tanking it on my warrior, one of the few things that posed a real challenge ;) |
| 20:28.04 | Amarande | if I asked for a suggestion on how to get geared? they told me to do the normal 70 instances |
| 20:28.09 | nevcairiel | yeah, it was good occasionally |
| 20:28.12 | Amarande | nobody on turalyon DID normal 70 instances, pretty much |
| 20:28.22 | nevcairiel | but it was one of the instances people wanted to go constantly, because they couldnt pug it :P |
| 20:28.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: yeah, yeah, you're friendless and bad, we've heard this before |
| 20:28.41 | Amarande | Night: I had plenty of friends. They didn't have 70s. :P |
| 20:29.10 | nevcairiel | i dunno, playing just for pugs would really bore me |
| 20:29.12 | Amarande | I ended up transferring servers to get groups |
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| 20:29.25 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yeah, with my warrior i wasn't in a very hardcore guild, so we weren't doing a lot of attunements for t5 etc |
| 20:30.06 | nevcairiel | in some way, i prefered the BC instances over wotlk |
| 20:30.35 | NightHawkTheSane | how so? |
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| 20:31.25 | Shirik | Fisker fail |
| 20:32.14 | nevcairiel | maybe it is because back then my guild was still more fun to play in, but we had much more fun in those instances then we did in wotlk |
| 20:33.12 | Amarande | yeah, wotlk instances have gotten kinda meh |
| 20:33.17 | Amarande | like badge ATMs |
| 20:33.29 | Amarande | guess that's what happens when they give the customers what they want |
| 20:33.44 | nevcairiel | You got badges in BC instances as well |
| 20:33.45 | Amarande | the attitude towards heroic grouping in BC strongly suggested that people wanted their heroics to be badge ATMs, so that's what they got :| |
| 20:33.48 | nevcairiel | its pretty much the same now |
| 20:33.52 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i guess the alternative is just saying fuck the players |
| 20:33.52 | Amarande | nev: yeah but you actually had to work for your badges there |
| 20:33.53 | foxlit | You sure you aren't comparing apples to oranges for no real reason? |
| 20:34.10 | Amarande | Night: meh, most players suck anyway |
| 20:34.18 | nevcairiel | Amarande: like what? actually look for a group? |
| 20:34.19 | Amarande | this is what happens when you put business above making a good game |
| 20:34.20 | NightHawkTheSane | you would know ;) |
| 20:34.30 | Amarande | nev: like actually have some reasonable amount of skill to fight? |
| 20:34.31 | NightHawkTheSane | no, don't even go there |
| 20:34.48 | nevcairiel | BC heroics were so trivial after the first set of nerfs |
| 20:34.52 | NightHawkTheSane | the game is FINE. punishing players for wanting to run instaces is NEITHER a good game NOR a good business decision |
| 20:35.00 | Amarande | half the bosses in WotLK heroics, you could pretty much use a drinking duck to dps for you |
| 20:35.10 | nevcairiel | shadowlabs went from hard to too easy in one patch |
| 20:35.14 | nevcairiel | it was just annoyingly long |
| 20:35.16 | foxlit | *ab |
| 20:35.18 | Amarande | Night: I was more thinking "punishing players for wanting their instances to just be easy loot runs" |
| 20:35.23 | foxlit | it's not a laboratory |
| 20:35.27 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: shadow lab was never hard, really |
| 20:35.35 | kd3 | not that it was a labyrinth either |
| 20:35.36 | zenzelezz | it was at first |
| 20:35.39 | NightHawkTheSane | it was just long |
| 20:35.58 | Amarande | there was a time when instances had fun and challenge, and you had to work for your loot. |
| 20:36.02 | Amarande | like scholomance, or stratholme. |
| 20:36.06 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: those big demons with their big sword and the feare were kinda annoying at first :D |
| 20:36.18 | Amarande | now they cater to the crowd that just wants to be given their loot so they can get on to 10 and 25 mans without delay. |
| 20:36.23 | foxlit | Amarande: definitely apples to oranges |
| 20:36.23 | nevcairiel | and the ambushers in the next room always killed you when you pulled the biggest group <.< |
| 20:36.24 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: true, but with intelligent pulling, not that bad ;) |
| 20:36.35 | foxlit | Nobody ran scholo in AQ40 gear. |
| 20:36.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: you're totally making shit up and looking back with rose colored glasses |
| 20:36.46 | nevcairiel | foxlit: we didnt? |
| 20:36.46 | Amarande | an example: when I was playing a lot last, I could get a piece of T8 in a day |
| 20:36.47 | nevcairiel | why not? |
| 20:36.54 | foxlit | nevcairiel: because there was nothing there for you :) |
| 20:37.09 | Amarande | it was a simple, ridiculously easy and boring matter to get a piece of tier gear in virtually a DAY |
| 20:37.21 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: well unless you didn't feel like doing bwl and needed flasks, i guess :P |
| 20:37.51 | Amarande | unless blizzard's idea now is that gear is supposed to take a back seat in the 'ooh shiny' list and achievements are supposed to be what you're going for now |
| 20:38.05 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: now that was a weird system |
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| 20:38.11 | foxlit | Can you do LK with a duck for DPS? |
| 20:38.14 | foxlit | No? Dismissed. |
| 20:38.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: tell you what, you go martyr yourself over how much fun you're NOT having because you can't blame your shitty playing on the inability to get gear |
| 20:38.34 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 20:38.35 | Dagmar | Depends on whether or not you brought enough saronite bombs |
| 20:38.37 | NightHawkTheSane | the rest of us will have fun playing the game |
| 20:41.23 | Amarande | Night: so you find the game having been turned into a mindless click fest outside of raid boss battles to be 'fun'? |
| 20:42.10 | NightHawkTheSane | a) if i say yes, is that wrong? |
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| 20:42.26 | NightHawkTheSane | b) you're complaining because TRIVIAL content is made TRIVIAL by gear. OH THE FUCK NOES |
| 20:42.38 | Cide | http://www.codeorgan.com/ |
| 20:42.41 | mikma | scytheblade1: lolz yo has tf2 |
| 20:43.00 | Amarande | maybe the real reason for complaint, is that 5-man content has been fully trivialized |
| 20:43.14 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: yeah, I ate people last night. We played about 3 hours, and I came out with 78 points in a single round |
| 20:43.14 | NightHawkTheSane | because it IS trivial. |
| 20:43.20 | ScytheBlade1 | The second highest guy had ~40 |
| 20:43.25 | Amarande | tell that to people who ran scholo and strat at 60 |
| 20:43.37 | mikma | scytheblade1: cool hehe. i love playing as heavygunner or medic |
| 20:43.41 | NightHawkTheSane | this is not classic. this will NEVER be classic again |
| 20:43.47 | NightHawkTheSane | as foxlit said, apples and oranges |
| 20:43.49 | kd3 | that's because scholo and strat at 60 were insane. we wiped in a raid group |
| 20:43.51 | Amarande | okay, let's say it this way then |
| 20:43.54 | Amarande | "classic was better" |
| 20:43.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I was either the scout or the heavy with a medic friend |
| 20:43.57 | kd3 | that kind of thing shouldn't happen |
| 20:44.04 | kd3 | amarande; take off your rose-colored glasses |
| 20:44.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 20:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I knew people were pissed when I would hear them yelling, respectively, "STOP JUMPING I CAN'T SHOOT YOU" or "I PUT THREE ROUNDS IN YOUR HEAD WHY ARE YOU NOT DEAD YET" |
| 20:44.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing quite like TF2 at midnight with 8 others in a somewhat small room |
| 20:44.35 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 20:44.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i prefer my VASTLY more accessible content, better balance, and MORE content over doing shitty instances over and over in the hopes that the one piece of mediocre gear i wanted dropped |
| 20:45.03 | kd3 | ^ |
| 20:45.06 | Cide | Amarande: I'll let you know right now |
| 20:45.10 | Cide | scholo and strat SUCKED |
| 20:45.14 | kd3 | ^ |
| 20:45.18 | Cide | and everyone agreeD with me |
| 20:45.32 | Amarande | Night: how about "this content would work better in a single player RPG, but no they have to shoehorn everything into multiplayer these days because MMOs sell better" |
| 20:45.34 | foxlit | Just like current 5-man content is trivialized by totc gear, vanilla 5-man content was trivialized by AQ gear. |
| 20:45.52 | Cide | scholo sucked so much our guild raided it |
| 20:45.57 | Cide | to not stab our eyes out |
| 20:46.02 | Cide | s/scholo/strat/ |
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| 20:46.04 | Amarande | foxlit: it took till AQ, though. some would say current 5-man content (except ICC5) was trivialized by ilvl 200 epics |
| 20:46.22 | NightHawkTheSane | thats absurd, and completely false |
| 20:46.24 | WobWork | eh |
| 20:46.40 | WobWork | it wasn't til T9 that normal 5man content was trivialised |
| 20:46.43 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: i would still like maybe 1 5man that is actually challenging to a semi-competent group |
| 20:46.59 | Cide | heroic shattered halls imo |
| 20:47.05 | WobWork | HoR is still pretty challenging |
| 20:47.05 | kd3 | hatred |
| 20:47.05 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i agree, but i think there's some logistics issues with that |
| 20:47.21 | WobWork | if you don't overgear it |
| 20:47.24 | nevcairiel | Cide: at the end, it was nerfed too bad too |
| 20:47.30 | Cide | yeah |
| 20:47.33 | WobWork | but even then, if you have a bad tank, it's terrible |
| 20:47.34 | Cide | but it sure sucked before that |
| 20:47.36 | Amarande | Night: you mean mostly the raid guys QQing that a 5-man gives practically as good gear, since the rewards would need to be balanced to the challenge? |
| 20:47.42 | Cide | has this been linked before? http://www.codeorgan.com/ |
| 20:47.49 | Iriel | Isn't "overgearing" a problem that can never be solved |
| 20:47.50 | Cide | besides my own link 4 min ago |
| 20:47.51 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: give us a third difficulty setting! |
| 20:47.52 | WobWork | Cide: by you, perhaps? =P |
| 20:47.54 | Iriel | There's the endless cry for "more epix" |
| 20:48.09 | Iriel | Eventually all content will be trivial to those who have nothing better to do than collect more loot |
| 20:48.19 | Amarande | Iriel: indeed, it's probably the case that WoW was doomed to this the moment they decided to use a gear-based progression model |
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| 20:48.36 | nevcairiel | Iriel: make 5mans scale on the average gear level of the players in it :D |
| 20:48.36 | kd3 | you mean... back in classic? |
| 20:48.39 | Iriel | Yes, wow's really "doomed" 8-) |
| 20:48.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: no, i mean that making content that is both accessible to non-raiders but also a challenge to raiders is very difficult. |
| 20:48.54 | Iriel | I think the changes that make the 5 man content far more accessible are good |
| 20:49.14 | Iriel | Admittedly I dont play with a large group of raiders, so it's the only way I get to SEE the content |
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| 20:49.25 | Amarande | maybe the MMO model just doesn't lend itself to the perfect RPG |
| 20:49.42 | NightHawkTheSane | there is no such thing as the perfect rpg |
| 20:49.46 | Amarande | however, that's a depressing thought, since it seems like these days when you design an RPG, to get "industry acceptable" sales levels you practically need to *be* an MMO |
| 20:49.56 | Amarande | unless you're Zelda, Pokemon, or Final Fantasy anyway |
| 20:50.01 | Iriel | Dragon Age? |
| 20:50.04 | Iriel | Mass Effect? |
| 20:50.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ also false. |
| 20:50.25 | NightHawkTheSane | you spend way too much time being concerned with what people at large think |
| 20:51.11 | NightHawkTheSane | if i were making an rpg, I'd be happy if it turned a profit. If that meant selling ONE More copy that needed to actually make a profit, then that's fine. not every game needs to be WoW, or final fantasy 7 |
| 20:51.21 | NightHawkTheSane | and that's perfectly okay. |
| 20:52.02 | Amarande | Night: Indeed, if I was making an RPG, I'd make it my way myself, whether or not it made a profit. |
| 20:52.05 | Iriel | NightHawkTheSane: admittedly in that model you mustn't have a business plan or investords |
| 20:52.08 | Iriel | investors, even |
| 20:52.12 | Iriel | though investords sounds better |
| 20:52.26 | Amarande | Unfortunately, the constraints of capitalism seem to not make it possible for us to convince more developers to go for this philosophy :| |
| 20:52.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: well i never said it was perfect. ;) but i think it got the point across :P |
| 20:52.44 | Cide | I, for one, welcome our new investord overlords |
| 20:53.00 | Amarande | which, in turn, is probably the biggest weakness of capitalism. |
| 20:53.13 | Amarande | under capitalism, things that may be awesome, but do not make profits, are discouraged from being made. |
| 20:53.28 | Iriel | I dont think that follows directly |
| 20:53.28 | nevcairiel | If something is so awesome, then why doesnt it make profit? |
| 20:53.40 | Amarande | rather, capitalism tends to lead to the sterile mainstreamism that the creative industries are headed to. |
| 20:53.45 | Iriel | without a massive success on one project a company is unlikely to have the funds to subsidize large risk on other projects |
| 20:53.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that's kind of a non-sequitur |
| 20:53.58 | Amarande | nev: lack of marketing, usually |
| 20:54.07 | Iriel | And without risk, you get cookie cutter mediocrity |
| 20:54.14 | Iriel | or good people failing in a way they can't recover from |
| 20:54.28 | nevcairiel | if you lack marketing, and cant even sell a awesome product, then how are you going to sell anything? |
| 20:54.32 | Amarande | and in some cases public mental blocks, like games that focus on great gameplay but don't have great graphics |
| 20:55.23 | Iriel | I'd like to pull Dwatf Fortress up as an example of something very non-traditional with essentially no "marketing" and no good graphics but which does "well enough" |
| 20:55.50 | nevcairiel | Did i miss out for not even knowing what it is? |
| 20:55.55 | Iriel | Probably 8-) |
| 20:56.00 | Amarande | also, capitalism seems to cause a probably-bad reverse in the design process. |
| 20:56.00 | Iriel | Google 'boatmurdered' |
| 20:56.08 | foxlit | http://www.cad-comic.com/comics/sillies/20091112.gif << adorable. |
| 20:56.19 | Amarande | the creative mind, wants to create its vision, and then afterwards figure out how to market it, if desired. |
| 20:56.40 | Amarande | the business starts with a business plan and investors and then tries to figure out how to shoehorn components together to meet the demands of those. |
| 20:56.46 | Iriel | Anyway, DF is pretty awesome, but also it's inherently limited by the amount that the creators could make of it, it'll never have the kind of "content" that makes WoW what it is |
| 20:56.47 | nevcairiel | foxlit: thats cute |
| 20:57.34 | WobWork | now if I didn't instinctively hate tim buckley =P |
| 20:57.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 20:57.59 | zenzelezz | who? |
| 20:58.05 | Amarande | of course, having played commercial RPGs seems to leave me with some design mental blocks |
| 20:58.09 | WobWork | author of C-A-D |
| 20:58.25 | Amarande | for instance, feeling the need to make a complete continent before starting any sort of RPG design stuff, rather than a smaller, more story oriented area :| |
| 20:58.28 | WobWork | has he stopped cribbing jokes from other comics? |
| 20:58.34 | mikma | AutoCAD? |
| 20:58.57 | WobWork | mikma: pretty much |
| 21:00.07 | zenzelezz | I stopped reading CAD about the time he did the whole serious "let's have a failed pregnancy" thread in the comic |
| 21:00.13 | WobWork | yeah |
| 21:00.21 | zenzelezz | do not want web-drama, do want web-comic |
| 21:00.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i stopped reading when i realized he was a complete tool. |
| 21:00.33 | WobWork | cause miscarriages are just what gaming comics are all about |
| 21:00.48 | zenzelezz | I don't care if the author's an ass, as long as the comic is good |
| 21:00.53 | WobWork | (... although that might -actually- apply to vgcats...) |
| 21:01.17 | WobWork | but vgcats makes no attempt to have "srs" storylines |
| 21:02.10 | Shirik | If I got banned from 4chan, does that mean I win? |
| 21:02.52 | Iriel | I think it'd depend what you got banned for |
| 21:03.00 | Dagmar | How the hell |
| 21:03.08 | Dagmar | What did you do? Post scans of The Watchtower? |
| 21:03.21 | Shirik | I think it was accidental, I already sent an appeal :P |
| 21:03.22 | Dagmar | Perhaps encourage children to go to school and study hard? |
| 21:03.43 | Dagmar | They've got entire boards dedicated to sex with corpses |
| 21:03.48 | Dagmar | How the hell do you get banned from there, ever |
| 21:03.49 | Shirik | They were trying to attack wikipedia, I posted a message that kinda looks like contributing to the attack, but it was actually just a "i see you!" and I was banned for "Hey let's attack Wikipedia! That's a great idea!" |
| 21:04.11 | Amarande | Shirik: avoid GameFAQs like plague then heh |
| 21:04.21 | Amarande | from what I've heard, if one game board decides to invade another game board |
| 21:04.29 | Amarande | if you were playing the first game and posting on its board |
| 21:04.39 | Amarande | GOD FORBID you actually need help with the other game, because you'll get banned for invasion then too |
| 21:05.02 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, people post on the forums at gamefaqs? |
| 21:05.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i just thought thos were there as a collection bin for trolls and idiots |
| 21:05.21 | Dagmar | Mainly the young ones, I think |
| 21:05.22 | zenzelezz | GameFAQs *has* forums? |
| 21:05.24 | NightHawkTheSane | kind of like 4chan |
| 21:05.31 | WobWork | 3chan |
| 21:05.34 | WobWork | not as channy |
| 21:05.50 | WobWork | it's like a honeypot for douche |
| 21:05.54 | Arrowmaster | gamefaqs forums are nothing but gamespot forums, most posters dont even seem to be away that gamefaqs exists |
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| 21:06.14 | Amarande | heh I belonged to GameFAQs forums long before the GS merger |
| 21:06.16 | Amarande | is an Ancient |
| 21:06.20 | zenzelezz | that reminds me of an old joke in Anarchy Online... there was a zone named "4 Holes". In a patch there was a note that said "Fixed a hole in the ground in 4 Holes". Made people call it 3 Holes for a while |
| 21:06.51 | Arrowmaster | my name is taken so i dont even post on those forums if i wanted to |
| 21:08.59 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ff274fd0d0f8c6f0ff341ce889ae7262.png |
| 21:09.04 | Shirik | goes to take a shower and get something to eat |
| 21:09.24 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: O.o? |
| 21:09.27 | jnwhiteh | Huh? |
| 21:09.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Wiat, you were actually posting to 4chan? |
| 21:09.30 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf is wrong with you? |
| 21:09.32 | foxlit | cute reason |
| 21:09.33 | Shirik | I told you! |
| 21:09.38 | Shirik | (16:03:48) (@Shirik) They were trying to attack wikipedia, I posted a message that kinda looks like contributing to the attack, but it was actually just a "i see you!" and I was banned for "Hey let's attack Wikipedia! That's a great idea!" |
| 21:10.07 | Dagmar | ~ScytheBlade1++ |
| 21:10.55 | mikma | fail shirik, fail |
| 21:11.16 | Arrowmaster | yay new record for me i think! |
| 21:11.22 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/addons/cartographer/tickets/297-the-map-is-messed-up-charz/ |
| 21:11.35 | Arrowmaster | 49 minutes from creation to being marked as a dupe |
| 21:12.19 | nevcairiel | speaking of dupes, what happend to the option to tell it which ticket it is a dupe off? |
| 21:12.41 | nevcairiel | that worked at some point |
| 21:12.42 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
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| 21:15.59 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wiki.devklog.net/index.php?title=The_MoPaQ_Archive_Format&diff=222&oldid=204 |
| 21:16.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ MPQ changes for SC2 |
| 21:16.15 | ScytheBlade1 | We have LZMA compression now! |
| 21:17.16 | foxlit | I can has me some SC2 BLPs? |
| 21:17.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't remember if I saw them or not |
| 21:20.54 | Shirik | hey sylvanaar |
| 21:20.55 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:20.58 | Shirik | I make a deal with you |
| 21:21.03 | Shirik | get me SC2 key and I get RA3 |
| 21:21.14 | WobWork | RA3? |
| 21:21.36 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: ..... |
| 21:21.42 | sylvanaar | ScytheBlade1: send Shirik's key to me |
| 21:21.50 | Thunder_Child | RA3 was just a hold over till SC2 |
| 21:21.52 | Dagmar | Hmm.... |
| 21:21.56 | Shirik | lol :P |
| 21:21.58 | Amarande | RA3, isn't that the one with the vile ass EA DRM? |
| 21:22.06 | Dagmar | Someone on Craigslist has Ruins of Kunark "new" and still sealed on sale for a buck. |
| 21:22.29 | Dagmar | I'm tempted to go give them a buck, crush the thing to bits, and bin it. |
| 21:22.42 | Dagmar | "This has been a public service, ma'am." |
| 21:23.04 | Amarande | Or was RA2 the one with EA DRM |
| 21:23.08 | zenzelezz | Ruins of Kunark? |
| 21:23.21 | Dagmar | Oh yes. Like the third original EQ expansion. |
| 21:23.35 | Dagmar | Society would be better off without it |
| 21:23.47 | zenzelezz | why would you wish to destroy it? Was the expansion no good? |
| 21:24.14 | Dagmar | Can't use it without the original... oh and there's been like about eight expansions since. |
| 21:24.31 | Dagmar | ...and it's EverQuest we're talking about. |
| 21:24.34 | Dagmar | Not EQII, EQ. |
| 21:25.17 | Amarande | heh, was the Kunark content especially sucky? |
| 21:25.18 | zenzelezz | you can get an EverQuest Starter Pack on Steam... includes original + 14 expansions |
| 21:25.20 | Amarande | like ... the ST of EQ? :) |
| 21:25.33 | zenzelezz | ST? |
| 21:25.44 | Amarande | ST. Sunken Temple. :) |
| 21:25.57 | zenzelezz | I like ST |
| 21:26.12 | Amarande | I usually find it too easy to get lost |
| 21:26.21 | Amarande | and even having an addon with a map doesn't usually help all that much the way it's built :S |
| 21:26.41 | Amarande | they need to update old world and BC instances with maps, like they made for the ones in WotLK |
| 21:27.03 | zenzelezz | Cataclysm might fix that for Azeroth instances |
| 21:27.09 | Amarande | And mind you, that's get lost once I'm actually in. That's if I don't get lost on the way in. :) |
| 21:27.30 | Amarande | Or (pre-DF anyway) if half your party didn't get lost on the way in. |
| 21:27.54 | sylvanaar | this stimulus money from last year really sucks - I actually owe money on my return this year |
| 21:27.57 | zenzelezz | I never had to worry about getting lost |
| 21:28.05 | zenzelezz | since the real danger were the alliance camping Stonard |
| 21:28.07 | Dagmar | Amarande: Nah, actually Luclin was when things went completely to hell. Just the same, someday I'll find the Sony execs responsible for certain things, and the world will have a little more surplus breathing air |
| 21:29.08 | sylvanaar | i owe $62 - screw that! |
| 21:29.49 | Arrowmaster | damnit i forgot to preorder heavy rain and bestbuy isnt mentioning the preorder bonus on their website anymore |
| 21:29.51 | Amarande | heh sylv, hope you like penalties |
| 21:30.03 | sylvanaar | im paying it |
| 21:30.08 | sylvanaar | its not even april yet |
| 21:30.11 | zenzelezz | wasn't EQ2 released around the same time as WoW? |
| 21:30.33 | Dagmar | Over $62 they won't even bother assigning a person to look at you |
| 21:30.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, followed by a rapid stomping all over EQ2 |
| 21:30.42 | Dagmar | You may or may not recieve a bill should your name come up for random audit |
| 21:30.46 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: how so? |
| 21:30.54 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW was released |
| 21:30.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 21:31.08 | mikma | hehe |
| 21:31.18 | mikma | i cant believe he fell in that |
| 21:31.30 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=51663 http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=24324 |
| 21:31.32 | Fisker | i like you ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:31.42 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: ah, thought you meant some sort of change/in-game thing in EQ2 |
| 21:32.15 | zenzelezz | I remember trying the game. Was interesting, but I couldn't seem to get a grip on the mob difficulty system and stuff |
| 21:32.17 | ScytheBlade1 | nah |
| 21:32.23 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:32.31 | mikma | kraps: *yawn* so 2009 |
| 21:32.44 | Kraps | mikma: wtf are they? |
| 21:33.01 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Depending on the time of year, it's easy. If you could get XP from killing it, or valuable loot, it'll kill you alone;. |
| 21:33.22 | mikma | kraps: spells blizz have left in |
| 21:33.30 | Kraps | why? |
| 21:33.38 | mikma | lazybois |
| 21:34.10 | Kraps | what does (CRASHES EVERYTHING HOLY CRAP! STAY AWAY~ PROBABLY POSSESSED BY DEMONS OR SOMETHING... CANT EVEN BE DELETED) even mean? |
| 21:34.23 | mikma | cant be tamed |
| 21:34.37 | Kraps | hmm? |
| 21:34.41 | Dagmar | It means you have to use a frost trap. |
| 21:34.58 | Kraps | lies |
| 21:37.04 | zenzelezz | I'm amused by the Windows Vista "screenshot" on that thing |
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| 21:45.50 | zenzelezz | I shouldn't go reading about old MMOs on Wikipedia... almost curious enough to try them, but that'd never end well |
| 21:47.36 | Iriel | Those that still exist |
| 21:47.45 | Dagmar | EQ: "Get some colored paper, and make a few origami figurines. Tape these to the blades of a desk fan. Turn the fan on when you want to "travel". Turn the fan off when you want to do "Epic Quests". Twice a year, you may have "Expansions". To have an expansion, simply set one of your origami figures on fire and then put it out with your bare hands. |
| 21:48.35 | Dagmar | Remember, expansions *require* travel." |
| 21:48.36 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5476723/the-itunes-app-store-declares-war-on-titillation |
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| 22:13.24 | WobWork | zenzelezz: thank you |
| 22:13.42 | zenzelezz | you're welcome |
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| 22:18.48 | WobWork | "(8:37:04 AM) zenzelezz: I'm amused by the Windows Vista "screenshot" on that thing" |
| 22:18.49 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 22:18.55 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 22:21.53 | Kraps | in discussions of putting in new 40-man raids, people keep comparing them to what was going back in the vanilla days. nobody talks about how they would be in *todays* environment, like pally buffs are easier, mages can conjure water quicker, no need to farm lock shards etc |
| 22:23.13 | foxlit | Groups of 40 are more annoying than groups of 25, though |
| 22:24.23 | Kraps | oh i know that, and that would be a huge issue, i'm talking more about the technical stuff people had problems with back then |
| 22:36.13 | WobWork | heh |
| 22:36.22 | WobWork | Blizzard having to design encounters that need 40 people |
| 22:36.39 | WobWork | rather than encounters that need 15 with 25 slackers |
| 22:37.42 | Kraps | WobWork: i heard it was 25 with 15 slackers |
| 22:38.09 | WobWork | yeah probably. =P |
| 22:38.13 | WobWork | I don't do well with early starts |
| 22:38.33 | WobWork | and having to be at work before 6 is a terrible way to start the day >< |
| 22:38.51 | WobWork | so it's only 9:40 and my brain is already fried =P |
| 22:39.16 | Kraps | this is pretty win http://www.thedailyblink.com |
| 22:40.09 | WobWork | Sort of, "The Onion" for WoW? |
| 22:40.49 | Kraps | yeah |
| 22:41.22 | Kraps | ads too http://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/01/a-word-from-our-sponsor/ |
| 22:41.31 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 22:41.45 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 22:42.05 | Fisker | what's showering? |
| 22:42.16 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 22:42.17 | Shirik | halp me |
| 22:42.20 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:42.21 | Fisker | halp meh |
| 22:42.26 | Shirik | I got banned from 4chan |
| 22:42.53 | Shirik | you have connections? yeS? |
| 22:43.37 | Shirik | Fisker! |
| 22:43.41 | Shirik | why do you ignore me! T_T |
| 22:44.16 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 22:44.16 | Kraps | your mom |
| 22:44.33 | Fisker | no Shirik |
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| 22:46.03 | Fisker | besides they don't caaaaaaaaare :o |
| 22:46.11 | Kraps | nice take on the dark knighthttp://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/02/the-death-knight/ |
| 22:46.23 | Fisker | i got perma banned on my old ip because my school had been banned |
| 22:46.41 | Fisker | and because i visited 4chan from my laptop at home it detected the ban via cookie and that ip got permabanned |
| 22:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | gj, failure |
| 22:47.33 | amro | ~api lead |
| 22:47.34 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_lead |
| 22:47.38 | amro | er |
| 22:47.39 | amro | !api lead |
| 22:47.40 | lua_bot | Found 21 possible matches for 'lead'. Please be more specific |
| 22:47.45 | amro | !api leader |
| 22:47.45 | lua_bot | Found 17 possible matches for 'leader'. Please be more specific |
| 22:47.53 | amro | !api party leader |
| 22:47.53 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'party leader'. |
| 22:47.59 | amro | cries |
| 22:48.05 | foxlit | ~api |
| 22:48.51 | foxlit | What /are/ you looking for? |
| 22:48.51 | amro | promote to leader |
| 22:48.51 | Gnarfoz | !api promote |
| 22:48.51 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'promote': PromoteToLeader, PromoteToAssistant, GuildPromote, CanGuildPromote |
| 22:48.51 | Gnarfoz | durrr. |
| 22:48.51 | amro | ~epicfail amro |
| 22:48.52 | Gnarfoz | !api promotetoleader |
| 22:48.52 | lua_bot | PromoteToLeader: Promotes a player to party/raid leader (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/PromoteToLeader) |
| 22:48.52 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 23:02.29 | Shirik | I was just looking at my smoke detector, and on it is written "Warning: Do not operate during loss of power" |
| 23:02.37 | Shirik | What the hell does that mean, "please don't start a fire while your power is out?" |
| 23:18.00 | Caleb| | no candles |
| 23:22.23 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 23:22.27 | Fisker | want to be buttbuddies? |
| 23:29.18 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 23:35.35 | Kraps | told you he was smexy http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23329184811&sid=1 |
| 23:36.01 | Jerub | woo. got my mage to 74. |
| 23:36.08 | Fisker | die Shirik |
| 23:36.25 | Jerub | 1 more level and i can portal to dalaran, 6 more levels and i can get people to carry me through riads! |
| 23:36.49 | Shirik | wat |
| 23:36.52 | Shirik | why I die :( |
| 23:37.16 | foxlit | Kraps: he looks odd, tbh |
| 23:37.33 | Kraps | foxlit: just the eyes |
| 23:37.46 | foxlit | He's clearly the illusive man. |
| 23:37.52 | Kraps | hehe |
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| 23:44.38 | WobWork | huh, what's he look like now? |
| 23:44.44 | WobWork | hasn't played alliance in a while |
| 23:44.52 | sylvanaar | i want to buy dante's inferno |
| 23:45.06 | zenzelezz | WobWork: little kid IIRC |
| 23:45.42 | Kraps | WobWork: mmo-champ is your friend http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/february/anduin.jpg |
| 23:49.26 | Jerub | does anyone know if it's true that Kwoon on Uldum is really Felicia Day's toon? |
| 23:52.58 | Kalroth | Fisker is our only stalker |
| 23:56.39 | Cairenn | Jerub: unlikely, since that isn't the server she plays on |
| 23:56.54 | Kraps | foxlit: eyes dont look too bad from thin angle http://img86.yfrog.com/img86/3424/jzb.png |
| 23:57.22 | foxlit | Probably just a better renderer. |
| 23:57.28 | foxlit | But urgh, how do people play without AA? |
| 23:57.48 | foxlit | [Interesting tidbit: there appears to be no performance penalty -- I get no extra FPS going from 8xFSAA to 1xFSAA] |
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