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| 00:04.35 | DWSR | !g flexpicker |
| 00:04.36 | batbot | DWSR: FlexPicker <http://www.flexpicker.com/> |
| 00:08.47 | DWSR | http://singularityhub.com/2009/08/11/new-atms-smarter-more-versatile/ |
| 00:08.49 | DWSR | What the fuck. |
| 00:10.08 | cbreak | checks? |
| 00:10.18 | cbreak | never seen one of those |
| 00:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | If you live in the US, you use them all the time |
| 00:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly |
| 00:10.28 | A-KO | really? |
| 00:10.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Really |
| 00:10.31 | A-KO | I don't |
| 00:10.34 | A-KO | and I live here |
| 00:10.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:10.38 | A-KO | I've never written one |
| 00:10.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Most resturants don't accept them |
| 00:10.43 | A-KO | barely ever get them |
| 00:10.44 | durcyn | usually the middle aged bint ahead of you in the checkout line at the grocery store, in my experience |
| 00:10.46 | A-KO | once in a great while |
| 00:10.51 | A-KO | lol durcyn exactly |
| 00:10.58 | ScytheBlade1 | But a lot of apartments only take checks :/ |
| 00:11.00 | durcyn | and she's making up the difference with food stamps |
| 00:11.12 | A-KO | I do everything with my card |
| 00:11.34 | A-KO | and no, it's not a credit card before you all get your panties in a bunch :P |
| 00:11.46 | durcyn | well, i suppose my bank's bill pay service just mails out checks, but it's totally not my fault |
| 00:11.55 | Amarande | checks ... I think I've written maybe ten checks since I started having a checking account ... |
| 00:12.27 | Amarande | durcyn, you use the bill pay service from the bank's side? |
| 00:12.29 | cbreak | hmm. maybe I am old fashioned |
| 00:12.33 | Amarande | usually I electronic pay from the biller's side |
| 00:12.36 | cbreak | but I just transfer money via the internet |
| 00:12.44 | cbreak | or pay cash when I buy stuff in person |
| 00:12.52 | A-KO | hell I pay my bills from my cell phone at this opint |
| 00:12.54 | A-KO | I'll sit at work |
| 00:12.57 | A-KO | "oh, payday, yay" |
| 00:13.00 | A-KO | *log in, pay bills* |
| 00:13.02 | durcyn | Amarande: i like having it aggregated, and some of them have electronic transfers set up now so i don't have to wait for a bill to see what they want that month |
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| 00:29.14 | Kraps | ohh blue threads are blue in mmochamps blue tracker |
| 00:29.18 | Gryzvwald | Anyone heard of the AddOn TabAlerts? |
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| 00:29.47 | Amarande | they need to show curling on tv more than once every four years :| |
| 00:29.55 | Amarande | also speaking of curling, looks like the US chicks are about to lose |
| 00:29.58 | Gryzvwald | I agree Amarande! |
| 00:30.01 | Amarande | we're down by 2 going into the tenth end. :| |
| 00:30.33 | amro | curling is hilarious |
| 00:30.34 | Gryzvwald | For some reason I'm strangely alured by the sport. Liike a mosquito to bright light. |
| 00:31.14 | Gryzvwald | Is the author of Chatter ever in here? |
| 00:31.15 | cbreak | maybe that's because it's a real sport. |
| 00:31.33 | durcyn | Antiarc: are you ever in here? |
| 00:31.43 | Gryzvwald | I hate all the Olympic sports that require judging! |
| 00:32.16 | Gryzvwald | I only asked because I'm having issues with TabAlert and Chatter working together. |
| 00:32.24 | cbreak | those that require sentencing are more fun? |
| 00:32.31 | Gryzvwald | LOL |
| 00:32.51 | Jerub | anyone know if starcraft2 will run on an intel i945? |
| 00:33.02 | cbreak | why not? |
| 00:33.10 | cbreak | don't all intels still support i386? |
| 00:33.12 | Gryzvwald | That would be better instead of judged scores! That last flip was deemed to be worth "4 days in the slamma" |
| 00:33.18 | durcyn | he's asking about the onboard video, cbreak |
| 00:33.35 | durcyn | i'm sure the code will execute, i just wouldn't expect the graphics to look, uh, like graphics. |
| 00:33.40 | cbreak | right... they also make GPUs |
| 00:33.49 | Fisker | hey durcyn |
| 00:33.55 | durcyn | hey Fisker how's the beta goign |
| 00:34.31 | Fisker | awright |
| 00:34.41 | Jerub | i'm seriously tempted to install windows 7 on this laptop to try and get it to run |
| 00:35.00 | amro | Jerub: I doubt it would |
| 00:35.27 | amro | i945 is an attempt to be as bad at hardware accel as possible |
| 00:35.42 | amro | most games won't even start up |
| 00:37.41 | Amarande | curling girls also seem to be particularly cute compared to most female athletes, too |
| 00:39.52 | Adys | http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/02/18/194237/emCivilization-Vem-Announced-For-This-Fall |
| 00:40.49 | Adys | http://civilization5.com/img/screenshots/screenshot_03.jpg |
| 00:41.04 | amro | Amarande: why else would people watch curling? |
| 00:41.37 | amro | Adys: hex tiles ftw |
| 00:41.42 | Adys | idd |
| 00:41.48 | Adys | looks great |
| 00:43.08 | robotusch | :3 |
| 00:43.08 | Amarande | THROW THE BLOODY STONE ALREADY |
| 00:43.10 | robotusch | wahey |
| 00:43.15 | robotusch | DKDK-land is beating the US of A |
| 00:43.28 | Corrodias | donkey kong land, decent game |
| 00:43.33 | Amarande | yeah, the US of A is the United Suck of America when it comes to curling this year apparently |
| 00:43.37 | robotusch | .. again :D |
| 00:43.41 | Amarande | you should see how badly the men have knackered it so far |
| 00:43.50 | Antiarc | durcyn: I'm here |
| 00:43.54 | robotusch | I'm watching the US men vs DKDK-land nao |
| 00:44.11 | Amarande | wait, the men are playing Denmark too? |
| 00:44.15 | durcyn | Antiarc: oh, i was trying to tell Gryzvwald where to look |
| 00:44.19 | Amarande | the women are playing Denmark right now |
| 00:44.21 | robotusch | they played earlier |
| 00:44.32 | Fisker | hey robotusch |
| 00:44.36 | robotusch | I'm watching some 'highlight' stuff |
| 00:44.36 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:44.39 | Amarande | the danish girls are cuter, too |
| 00:44.44 | robotusch | indeed |
| 00:46.14 | Fisker | it's all lies |
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| 00:46.39 | Gryzvwald | Antiarc, I just downloaded and started using TabAlerts by Torhal and it seems there's an issue with it working with Chatter. The Chat tabs don't highlight when one of your Tabs has info that is allowed through in the chat frame. |
| 00:46.50 | Amarande | US loses |
| 00:46.52 | Amarande | again |
| 00:46.58 | Amarande | teh sad |
| 00:47.12 | Antiarc | Gryzvwald: I'll take a peek at it when I get a chance, but just try disabling Chatter's chat tabs module and see if that fixes it |
| 00:47.29 | Gryzvwald | will try that. Thanks :). |
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| 00:49.35 | Gryzvwald | works with the Chat Tabs disabled. Thanks for looking into it Antiarc. |
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| 01:13.59 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://www.popphoto.com/features/2010/02/5-hot-trends-lenses |
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| 01:14.40 | Lopeppeppy | My cat is defying me. She will not turn over the magic slippers. |
| 01:15.04 | tekkub | outsmarted by a cat |
| 01:15.11 | tekkub | just give up now |
| 01:15.44 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: cinderella or oz? |
| 01:16.03 | Kraps | cant believe i forgot the girls name :/ |
| 01:16.12 | Torhal | Dorothy |
| 01:16.46 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:25.40 | Lopeppeppy | These are much more Dorothy shoes than Cinderella slippers. I know I saw her sleeping on them earlier this week! |
| 01:26.28 | alestane | Are these for the weekend? |
| 01:27.04 | A-KO | I have an idea for a new facebook group :P "I only use skype to update my computer's security patches." |
| 01:30.24 | Thunder_Child | http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/features/3293/the-red-menace.html i dunno, seem like to much work to rent one |
| 01:32.41 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... I don't *need* them but I WANT them. |
| 01:32.43 | Lopeppeppy | My boots. |
| 01:32.49 | Lopeppeppy | Damn cat. She's sitting there all smug. |
| 01:34.42 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 01:34.44 | robotusch | :3 |
| 01:34.53 | robotusch | That's what cats do |
| 01:35.25 | Shirik | I am debating going to sleep |
| 01:35.44 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 01:35.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: pong |
| 01:36.03 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: whats your SC2 handle |
| 01:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Sbo.sbo |
| 01:37.15 | Thunder_Child | ok ScytheBlade1, i stuck you on the list |
| 01:40.00 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, don't debate. Go. |
| 01:40.13 | Lopeppeppy | You always need sleep, dear. |
| 01:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I heard that a very, very limited number of people got in to the SC2 beta this round |
| 01:40.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Given how many people here got access.. I'm kinda surprised |
| 01:41.14 | Lopeppeppy | we are by NO means a representative sample. :) |
| 01:41.29 | ScytheBlade1 | To the point where I suspect *someone* threw names on the list |
| 01:41.30 | Shirik | VERSION |
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| 01:41.37 | Lopeppeppy | Uber lucky uber geeks. |
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| 01:41.45 | WobWork | hasn't got a signup |
| 01:41.48 | Shirik | how the hell did I leave the channel |
| 01:41.50 | Lopeppeppy | That didn't work, Shirik. |
| 01:41.51 | WobWork | then again, I didn't sign up initially =P |
| 01:41.55 | Shirik | yes it did |
| 01:41.55 | Thunder_Child | well it's rather odd, i had forgoten to imput my code from blizzcon. i did it yesterday and got the code later on in an email |
| 01:41.56 | WobWork | (12:41:31 PM) Shirik left the room (requested by EDI (I can't let you do that, Shirik)). |
| 01:42.00 | ScytheBlade1 | 20:40 -!- Shirik [~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] has left #wowuidev [requested by EDI (I can't let you do that, Shirik)] |
| 01:42.01 | Shirik | oh rofl |
| 01:42.05 | Shirik | well good job EDI |
| 01:42.09 | Shirik | but FAILURE ALL YOUR CLIENTS |
| 01:42.16 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, okay then. If you MEANT to have Eddie kick you out, it worked. |
| 01:42.18 | Shirik | no |
| 01:42.24 | Shirik | I meant to see how horrible your clients were |
| 01:42.29 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o EDI] by Shirik |
| 01:42.33 | Lopeppeppy | Bwah? |
| 01:42.36 | ScytheBlade1 | No one disconnected |
| 01:42.37 | Shirik | except I lost the data |
| 01:42.37 | Lopeppeppy | You got kicked out, not me! |
| 01:42.40 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: everyone that had a blizzcon code got it, thats why we have such a high cross section of users |
| 01:42.44 | Shirik | VERSION |
| 01:42.52 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o EDI] by Shirik |
| 01:42.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: ah. I wasn't there. I still got it. :) |
| 01:43.04 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: but thats why we got higer than average |
| 01:43.07 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/133189 |
| 01:43.08 | Shirik | WRONG |
| 01:43.12 | Thunder_Child | so many of us went |
| 01:43.41 | Thunder_Child | hmm...looks like i need to update |
| 01:43.50 | Thunder_Child | thanks Shirik |
| 01:43.51 | WobWork | eh |
| 01:43.54 | WobWork | I'm using Pidgin |
| 01:43.59 | WobWork | if you really need to know |
| 01:44.02 | Shirik | no |
| 01:44.13 | Shirik | But all of those people just responded to something that was not a CTCP |
| 01:44.16 | Legorol | how does Eddie kicking you out show that our clients are crap? O.o |
| 01:44.32 | Shirik | no, EDI kicked me out because he was protecting the channel, not intended side effect :P |
| 01:44.40 | WobWork | but amusing all the same |
| 01:44.50 | WobWork | hoist in one's own petard =P |
| 01:45.20 | Jerub | how big is the sc2 download? |
| 01:45.24 | Thunder_Child | heh, because of the freenode issue quassel did this http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/quassel-irc/wiki/FAQ#How-do-I-ignore-CTCP-requests |
| 01:45.28 | Jerub | need to work out where i'm going to do this install |
| 01:45.33 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: 1,6gb or so |
| 01:45.37 | Thunder_Child | 1.6* |
| 01:45.41 | Shirik | Legorol: The clients that responded should not have responded |
| 01:47.07 | Lopeppeppy | Bad client, no biscuits. |
| 01:47.25 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy has a good client, it can have biscuits |
| 01:47.33 | Lopeppeppy | Yay Trillian! |
| 01:47.36 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:47.38 | Shirik | not good client |
| 01:47.39 | Shirik | I take that back |
| 01:47.43 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 01:47.47 | Lopeppeppy | I rather thought you would. :P |
| 01:47.56 | Legorol | thanks for the edumification Shirik, interesting |
| 01:51.03 | Thunder_Child | brb |
| 01:51.38 | Shirik | Cairenn: http://twitpic.com/yos8l |
| 01:51.56 | Cairenn | awwwww |
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| 01:52.18 | Amarande | heya Cairenn :) |
| 01:52.28 | Cairenn | hi Amarande |
| 01:52.37 | Amarande | o.0 ... the Swiss just tied it up |
| 01:52.43 | Cairenn | yep |
| 01:52.46 | Lopeppeppy | Kitty love. |
| 01:53.01 | Lopeppeppy | Wish my cats would manage even being in the same room together... but we've got time. |
| 01:55.18 | Jerub | and the downloader doesn't work in wine :( |
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| 01:57.07 | Lopeppeppy | Why are you surprised, Jerub? |
| 01:57.14 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort Jerub |
| 01:57.14 | purl | There, there, Jerub. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:58.05 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: i'm not surprised, i'm just frustrated. |
| 02:05.45 | Lopeppeppy | Surely by now someone else has figured out workarounds for wine. |
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| 02:08.59 | kd3 | just use wowtorrentex to pull the torrent out |
| 02:09.02 | kd3 | v4 works fine |
| 02:09.04 | Lopeppeppy | Want to go to bed! Damn the timing of the timer of doom. |
| 02:09.05 | kd3 | I'm nearly done downloading |
| 02:13.07 | frontendloader | already a bunch of nerds working on cracking it >_> |
| 02:13.24 | frontendloader | no surprise there really |
| 02:13.44 | frontendloader | its only the second most anticipated game of all time |
| 02:13.47 | frontendloader | next to duke nukem forever |
| 02:16.36 | Lopeppeppy | I think My Little Pony versus Care Bear Stare got better reviews. |
| 02:16.42 | Ginji | and the new hello kitty island adventures |
| 02:17.37 | Amarande | My Little Pony vs. Care Bears ... |
| 02:17.54 | Lopeppeppy | Scary. |
| 02:17.56 | Amarande | Peppy, did all the reviewers proceed to drop into comas from acute diabetes and be told they'd only be saved if they gave it decent reviews? :) |
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| 02:18.00 | Lopeppeppy | Rated M for Mature audiences. |
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| 02:23.24 | Torhal | Jerub: Are you talking about WoW? The downloader works fine for me. |
| 02:24.11 | kd3 | the sc2 beta downloader doesn't work in wine |
| 02:24.54 | frontendloader | heh |
| 02:25.08 | frontendloader | and now I know what happens when you do WorldFrame:Hide() |
| 02:25.15 | kd3 | ya, don't do that |
| 02:26.06 | Lopeppeppy | That doesn't seem wise to do, nope. |
| 02:26.51 | frontendloader | it doesn't crash you |
| 02:27.13 | frontendloader | but it does stop all 3d rendering >_> |
| 02:28.16 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, timer of doom is done! I'm goin' to bed. Stay good, normal people. |
| 02:28.44 | kd3 | whee; sc2 done downloading. let's see what breaks next! |
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| 02:29.38 | alestane | kd3: Are you attempting it under Linux? |
| 02:29.45 | kd3 | yar |
| 02:31.25 | clever | frontendloader: any way to have your own code still run after that, to maybe turn 3d rendering back on? |
| 02:32.25 | clever | the update events happens per frame, which may not work with the 3d turned off |
| 02:33.10 | kd3 | ...that was quick. just trying to run the installer throws a pagefault |
| 02:34.27 | Amarande | I've never understood why windows apps are so prone to the seggies |
| 02:34.43 | Amarande | on linux apps you hardly ever see them unless there's a RAM problem or you epicfailed something |
| 02:34.43 | clever | Amarande: i recently found a similar problem in an adobe linux app |
| 02:34.48 | Amarande | well |
| 02:34.52 | clever | if you dont have libcurl installed and you try to use flash |
| 02:34.54 | Amarande | or if the app is by adobe, particularly if it's the flash plugin |
| 02:34.57 | clever | instant segfault of the whole browser |
| 02:35.10 | kd3 | ^ why I was crashing machinarium for no good reason |
| 02:35.11 | Amarande | flash plugin on linux is like francium in a bathtub |
| 02:35.27 | clever | once i install curl, its actualy usable |
| 02:35.49 | frontendloader | clever: probably could do it with time() |
| 02:36.13 | clever | frontendloader: that sounds like it would just return the current time? |
| 02:36.18 | frontendloader | yea |
| 02:36.31 | clever | so poll it until you want to turn 3d back on? |
| 02:37.00 | Amarande | clever, is that libcurl3 or 4? |
| 02:37.08 | clever | i was thinking more in the area of turning 3d off (save CPU) while still leaving normal UI frames alive |
| 02:37.45 | clever | Amarande: it checks for libcurl.so.4 libcurl-gnutls.so.4 libcurl.so.3 libcurl-gnutls.so.3 |
| 02:37.52 | clever | Amarande: if it cant load any of those, it segfaults |
| 02:38.23 | clever | and acording to ldd, it doesnt need curl at all, its trying to load it at runtime |
| 02:40.13 | frontendloader | j=time()+10; WorldFrame:Hide(); while true do if (time()>j) then WorldFrame:Show(); break end end |
| 02:40.16 | frontendloader | something like that? |
| 02:40.40 | clever | frontendloader: thats more of a blocking example, it probly wont be able to respond to events in any other frame |
| 02:41.12 | frontendloader | you can probably still use onupdate |
| 02:41.20 | frontendloader | my UI was still mostly functional |
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| 02:49.46 | Amarande | WTF |
| 02:49.57 | Amarande | there are more google results for "terror at blood fart lake" than "terror of terokkar"? |
| 02:50.10 | Amarande | I don't even know what the former IS, while the latter is a quest in the world's most popular online game! |
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| 03:00.29 | Zyn | FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU- |
| 03:00.45 | Zyn | runs over to Hiller and stabs him |
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| 03:03.38 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5475120/liveblogging-the-tester-we-watch-episode-1-so-you-dont-have-to |
| 03:04.29 | kd3 | rgrr |
| 03:04.47 | kd3 | is annoyed more at sc2's installer |
| 03:05.51 | NightHawkTheSane | this is kinda neat: http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=47264 |
| 03:05.56 | Zyn | I'm more annoyed at not having beta access (yet) |
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| 03:10.26 | AbsolutRayne_ | Evening |
| 03:11.23 | Cairenn | hi |
| 03:12.09 | AbsolutRayne_ | Cairenn: How have you been? :) |
| 03:12.55 | Cairenn | doing okay, you? |
| 03:13.03 | kd3 | whoa-hoh... blizz is using vorbis instead of mp3s? |
| 03:13.21 | Amarande | kd3: cheaper |
| 03:13.26 | theorbtwo | Not all that uncommon. |
| 03:13.31 | Amarande | vorbis is an open format, mp3 requires a licence fee |
| 03:13.35 | kd3 | oh I know |
| 03:13.38 | kd3 | just surprised |
| 03:13.46 | AbsolutRayne_ | Not too bad |
| 03:14.00 | AbsolutRayne_ | Just wrestling with my UI, trying to get rid of my fuzzy border syndromwe |
| 03:14.01 | Amarande | kd3: surprised that a company would choose the option that costs less money? |
| 03:14.02 | AbsolutRayne_ | -w |
| 03:14.35 | kd3 | considering they've been happy to use mp3s up til now? ya |
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| 03:17.23 | AbsolutRayne_ | Well, since PitBull isnt cooperating, time to try Shadowed |
| 03:19.27 | Amarande | gah. |
| 03:19.29 | Amarande | any of you use dreamhost? |
| 03:20.16 | DWSR | ~fail |
| 03:20.17 | purl | rumour has it, fail is what happens to you when you follow gamespot's game advice. standing in the fire. |
| 03:20.33 | DWSR | purl, no, fail is YOU FAIL. |
| 03:20.34 | purl | DWSR: okay |
| 03:25.15 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne_: Yeah, I dumped PB4 for Shadowed as well. |
| 03:25.31 | DWSR | Cairenn: WE WON!!! :D |
| 03:25.49 | Cairenn | the hockey game? yeah |
| 03:25.53 | Cairenn | shoot out sucks though |
| 03:26.02 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 03:26.06 | DWSR | I'm surprised only 1 OT period. |
| 03:26.29 | Torhal | DWSR: Foo. I need something to replace VLC - the screen tearing is unbearable, |
| 03:26.40 | DWSR | Torhal: Screen tearing? |
| 03:26.53 | DWSR | ~fail Torhal |
| 03:26.54 | purl | Torhal: FAIL! |
| 03:26.58 | kd3 | it's not using vsync? |
| 03:27.03 | Torhal | Aye - it's drawing faster than the screen refresh |
| 03:27.07 | DWSR | Torhal: Turn on vsync. |
| 03:27.12 | Torhal | I even have the nVidia driver set for vcyns |
| 03:27.16 | Torhal | vsync* |
| 03:27.34 | DWSR | Torhal: Try turning on VLC's vsync |
| 03:27.40 | DWSR | Also, does VLC use mplayer as a backend on *nix? |
| 03:27.50 | Jerub | DWSR: no? |
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| 03:28.03 | kd3 | it doesn't. vlc renders directly |
| 03:28.45 | DWSR | yeah, torhal, use mplayer |
| 03:29.38 | Torhal | Grabbing it now. The only reason I'd been using VLC is that there was a time when it was the only player which could handle Matroska well |
| 03:29.51 | DWSR | Torhal: That was for all of...about 5 minutes. |
| 03:30.50 | Torhal | Hah |
| 03:31.05 | AbsolutRayne_ | DWSR: Can you adjust the size of the Health and Power Bars in SUF? |
| 03:31.11 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne_: Yes. |
| 03:31.16 | AbsolutRayne_ | Cant seem to find an option for it |
| 03:31.51 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne_: Widgets tab. |
| 03:31.53 | DWSR | iirc. |
| 03:32.03 | DWSR | Widgets tab of the frame that you're trying to adjust* |
| 03:32.04 | Amarande | oh good grief is that toxic they're playing at the women's hockey game |
| 03:32.17 | DWSR | Anyone in here using mplayer on Windows? |
| 03:32.45 | Amarande | Torhal: you're trying to play with Russian nesting dolls on your computer? |
| 03:33.15 | DWSR | Amarande: You're thinking Mamooshka(sp?) |
| 03:33.15 | batbot | DWSR, nothing found. |
| 03:33.24 | AbsolutRayne_ | Ah there it is, thank you. :) |
| 03:33.39 | DWSR | np |
| 03:33.42 | DWSR | Amarande: Mamushka. |
| 03:33.53 | DWSR | Where the hell does batbot get its spelling corrections from? |
| 03:34.31 | Amarande | Matryoshka, actually, I *think* |
| 03:34.43 | Torhal | Amarande: That was rather random. |
| 03:34.47 | Mr_Rabies | yeah it's matryoshka |
| 03:34.59 | DWSR | Torhal: He's thinking the Russian Mamushka dolls. |
| 03:35.09 | DWSR | Such as http://www.fame.puertodefrutos-arg.com.ar/f-fame-2006/fame-15-002.jpg |
| 03:35.20 | Mr_Rabies | and the codec is called tha |
| 03:35.20 | Mr_Rabies | t |
| 03:35.35 | DWSR | Mr_Rabies: Matroska != Mamushka? |
| 03:35.49 | WobWork | Matryoshka? |
| 03:35.54 | WobWork | Or Babushka? |
| 03:36.12 | Mr_Rabies | because like a matryoshka doll it is layered with the container, audio, video, subs etc |
| 03:36.28 | DWSR | Mr_Rabies: Ah, I see, nevermind. |
| 03:36.30 | WobWork | like a parfait? |
| 03:36.37 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matryoshka_(disambiguation) |
| 03:36.38 | WobWork | Everybody loves Parfait! |
| 03:36.48 | DWSR | Apparently the container format is spelled differently than the dolls. |
| 03:37.03 | WobWork | Or more like an onion? |
| 03:37.11 | Mr_Rabies | yeah it's supposed to be reminiscent of the dolls though |
| 03:37.12 | DWSR | Cake has layers. |
| 03:37.17 | DWSR | Mr_Rabies: Yeah. |
| 03:37.22 | Mr_Rabies | that's why they called it that, it's got a codec within a container etc |
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| 03:37.25 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matryoshka_doll |
| 03:37.45 | DWSR | Wikipedia knows approximately everything. |
| 03:38.01 | DWSR | Approximately. |
| 03:38.12 | WobWork | [Citation Needed] |
| 03:38.40 | DWSR | is a primary source |
| 03:38.47 | WobWork | [Citation Needed] |
| 03:39.08 | DWSR | ~lart WobWork |
| 03:39.08 | purl | moos at WobWork |
| 03:39.17 | WobWork | moos at purl |
| 03:39.34 | purl | chops WobWork in half with a free AOL CD, courtesy of dwsr |
| 03:40.00 | DWSR | ~fail purl |
| 03:40.01 | purl | purl, you Fail! |
| 03:40.12 | DWSR | wonders... |
| 03:42.39 | DWSR | http://is.gd/8HdPw |
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| 03:44.30 | AbsolutRayne_ | God damn you, Satrinas Buff Frames, for once again causing WoW to lock up and crash, |
| 03:45.25 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne_: Really? I have *never* had a problem with it. |
| 03:45.39 | DWSR | Other than the fact that the options frame isn't built into the blizzard UI and that it requires alt+click to drag. |
| 03:48.59 | Torhal | stabs WobWork with HeyFu |
| 03:49.03 | Torhal | flees. |
| 03:54.59 | DWSR | Oh shit, the new battlegrounds changes look boss. |
| 03:55.18 | Jerub | DWSR: oh? |
| 03:55.27 | DWSR | http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/battleground-and-honor-changes-on-the-horizon/ |
| 03:55.40 | Jerub | I guess i've always hated wow battlegrounds because at the time i tried them i was playing tf2 every night. |
| 03:57.13 | DWSR | TF2 > BGs |
| 03:57.22 | DWSR | Especially when you're playing on a pub server as a skilled pyro. |
| 03:57.26 | DWSR | Absolutely disgusting. |
| 03:57.41 | DWSR | Can you say CRIT STICKIE REFLECT QUINTUPLEKILL? |
| 03:57.51 | DWSR | Yeah, that's right. |
| 03:59.34 | KarlKFI | HoN > TF2 > BGs |
| 04:00.02 | Jerub | what's hon? |
| 04:00.15 | KarlKFI | http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/ |
| 04:00.22 | KarlKFI | DotA++ |
| 04:00.45 | DWSR | hehe |
| 04:01.43 | Jerub | okay, got a windows laptop organised for sc2 tonight :) |
| 04:05.34 | Torhal | DWSR: This means I'll be able to get more mounts without queueing for WSG a million times. Yay. |
| 04:05.44 | DWSR | mhm |
| 04:07.50 | Ginji | At least you have BGs! |
| 04:08.00 | Ginji | My realm has had no AV for the past week |
| 04:09.58 | Jerub | :( WSG |
| 04:10.11 | Jerub | at least WG is interesting |
| 04:10.13 | Jerub | relatively. |
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| 04:15.01 | matt___ | where is a newbie room for wow players? |
| 04:17.06 | matt___ | where is a newbie room for wow players? |
| 04:17.33 | Cairenn | patience isn't your strong point, is it? |
| 04:17.36 | Cairenn | quakenet |
| 04:18.01 | Cairenn | this is a much more technically oriented network |
| 04:18.05 | DWSR | Jerub: You must play on a low pop server. |
| 04:18.12 | DWSR | WG on my realm is like ZERG win. |
| 04:18.28 | DWSR | And you can't do shit because you lag so horribly. |
| 04:18.29 | Jerub | DWSR: it's listed as 'high' |
| 04:18.37 | Jerub | we usually end up with 1-2 raids per side |
| 04:18.42 | DWSR | Meh. |
| 04:18.43 | Jerub | mostly 1 raid |
| 04:18.49 | DWSR | That's not bad. |
| 04:18.54 | DWSR | My realm there's always a queue |
| 04:18.55 | DWSR | It's so bad |
| 04:19.44 | Jerub | i've never seen a queue |
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| 04:28.52 | matt___ | Cairenn, sorry for the double post |
| 04:29.22 | matt___ | Cairenn, sorry for my ignorance... but what is a quakenet? |
| 04:30.34 | Cairenn | http://www.quakenet.org/ |
| 04:31.14 | Cairenn | it's just a different set of IRC servers |
| 04:31.51 | Cairenn | quakenet, in particular, caters to the general WoW gamer crowd |
| 04:32.10 | Cairenn | this network, freenode, caters much more to technical/programming groups |
| 04:32.28 | Cairenn | hence the perfect network for UI developers |
| 04:33.55 | DWSR | cuddles Cairenn |
| 04:34.01 | Cairenn | huggles DWSR |
| 04:34.11 | Jerub | last time i was on quakenet i found i was one of two US realm players. |
| 04:34.15 | Jerub | everyone was EU |
| 04:35.30 | Cairenn | I don't use Quakenet at all, myself, since I don't really have any particular interest in the more 'generalized' (regular play) aspects of the game |
| 04:35.34 | Cairenn | so I can't really say |
| 04:35.43 | Cairenn | I just know that there are a ton of WoW channels on there |
| 04:38.20 | kd3 | that's because there's everything on quakenet |
| 04:38.28 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:38.51 | Adys | Quakenet is absolutely terrible |
| 04:38.59 | Adys | as both an IRC host and a community |
| 04:39.01 | kd3 | this is true too |
| 04:39.02 | frontendloader | quakenet is full of euros |
| 04:39.06 | frontendloader | therefore is shiat |
| 04:39.31 | Adys | ha ha, please don't make your jokes any funnier or one of us in this channel might succumb to chest pain |
| 04:39.44 | frontendloader | it does have a nice starcraft 1 channel though |
| 04:39.48 | frontendloader | teamliquid |
| 04:40.21 | Cairenn | if anyone else has suggestions on where matt___ might find some good regular WoW player channels, go for it |
| 04:40.40 | Adys | quakenet has a bunch |
| 04:40.45 | Adys | if you're just looking for a wow community |
| 04:40.50 | Adys | #mmo-champion is kinda active |
| 04:40.59 | frontendloader | #elitistjerks irc.gamesurge.net is full of assholes who will prey on you if they know you're new |
| 04:41.03 | frontendloader | kinda like their forums lol |
| 04:41.21 | Jerub | actually, that's who i should talk to. |
| 04:41.22 | Adys | kinda like every irc channel |
| 04:41.33 | Jerub | I want an addon that will tell me if a raidmember is seriously underperforming. |
| 04:41.50 | Jerub | like, something chronically wrong with their rotation. |
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| 04:42.07 | frontendloader | Jerub: thats more of a damage-meters thing |
| 04:42.15 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:42.17 | frontendloader | you can discern things like that from worldoflogs |
| 04:42.26 | frontendloader | or even recount if you're observant enough |
| 04:42.27 | Adys | Recount will show it pretty quickly |
| 04:42.34 | DWSR | It's pretty easy to see if people are not doing the correct rotation from damage breakdowns from damage meters. |
| 04:42.58 | frontendloader | it helps if you have someone playing that class/spec correctly in the raid alongside the failboater though |
| 04:43.08 | DWSR | frontendloader: Yeah, but you can still get a good idea. |
| 04:43.11 | Adys | Jerub: if it's about specific people, do 5mans with thel |
| 04:43.12 | Adys | them |
| 04:43.38 | DWSR | If you know what a normal damage breakdown is supposed to look like for player X, you can usually figure out what they're doing wrong. |
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| 04:47.24 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, I personally want a failbot equivalent for all kinds of personal performance. wrap buff/debuff uptime, elitist group, and some kind of a rotation monitor together |
| 04:48.06 | ZorbaTHut | Xxarthasxx isn't enchanted, Ghosthunter is using volley on single targets, and Imagirl is using one spell to heal and it's the wrong one |
| 04:49.36 | matt___ | thanks yall ... .need to get some zzz now |
| 04:49.42 | Adys | think ghostcrawler's hunter is called ghosthunter? |
| 04:50.35 | Cairenn | bleh, Patrick is bumped out of the standings =/ |
| 04:50.55 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: That sort of stuff is best left to a combat log parser. |
| 04:51.04 | DWSR | Cairenn: Yeah, he wasn't going to win after his short program. |
| 04:51.31 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, no reason you can't parse combat logs in realtime |
| 04:51.43 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: With a powerful enough computer. |
| 04:52.02 | ZorbaTHut | or, worst-case, proper buffering, then parsing immediately after the fight :D |
| 04:52.04 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Also, the combat log isn't written to in realtime, I don't think. |
| 04:52.15 | DWSR | yeah |
| 04:52.28 | ZorbaTHut | isn't it the same log that UI mods can read? just, y'know, read them |
| 04:53.26 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, it is. |
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| 04:53.34 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: The *file* isn't written to in realtime. |
| 04:53.35 | DWSR | It's buffered. |
| 04:53.45 | ZorbaTHut | well, I'm talking about making a UI mod anyway, so :D |
| 04:53.55 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Parsing a combat log in that level of detail would probably bring your UI to a crawl. |
| 04:54.38 | ZorbaTHut | eh. condensing it down to an intermediate representation would be pretty snappy, and I'm not sure how much detail you'd really need to handle things like "proper rotation" |
| 04:54.48 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: A lot. |
| 04:55.16 | DWSR | Especially since "rotation" != "priority system" |
| 04:55.42 | ZorbaTHut | fury warrior would be pretty damn simple, just track the dude's cooldowns and watch for a buff. combat rogue is similarly simple, watch for buffs to be up and for some approximation of the right timing on abilities. |
| 04:56.03 | ZorbaTHut | same with balance druid. those are the only three classes I know well enough to talk about. |
| 04:56.21 | ZorbaTHut | the goal isn't to see if they're 100% perfect, it's to see if they're fucking up catastrophically, and if so, how. |
| 04:58.49 | Adys | "I'm not insane, my mother had me tested." |
| 05:00.15 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Hunters would be easy. |
| 05:00.57 | ZorbaTHut | local are_they_fucking_up_lookup_table = {} function are_they_fucking_up_lookup_table.HUNTER() return true end |
| 05:02.13 | Kraps | shimmering flats is awesome at night |
| 05:03.57 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut |
| 05:04.19 | DWSR | local are_they_fail = { hunter = function return true end } |
| 05:04.52 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: yeah, i want to know about when players don't know about debuffs or immunity and that kind of thing. |
| 05:04.54 | ZorbaTHut | see, that's what I said, only mine is legal syntax and better documented :P |
| 05:05.08 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Mine is too (approximately). |
| 05:05.32 | DWSR | You can define functions as variables. :) |
| 05:05.54 | ZorbaTHut | need a parameter list on that function, yo :) |
| 05:06.02 | DWSR | Yeah, true. |
| 05:06.06 | DWSR | But I'm tired. |
| 05:10.41 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: there are some good hunters :/ |
| 05:10.57 | Jerub | and then there are thunters who aren't good and still defy all logic and get 8k dps, i don't care about htese people. |
| 05:13.28 | DWSR | Jerub: You're a liar. |
| 05:13.32 | DWSR | There is no such thing. |
| 05:15.11 | DWSR | anyway, nn all |
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| 05:29.57 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFiJAFY18tU&NR=1 |
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| 05:47.26 | Kraps | http://gameinformer.com/games/world_of_warcraft_wrath_of_the_lich_king/b/pc/archive/2010/02/17/afterwords-world-of-warcraft-wrath-of-the-lich-king.aspx |
| 05:51.43 | Kraps | interview with tom chilton |
| 05:53.29 | Zyn | "What can you tell us about the future of World of Warcraft? Tom Chilton: What's that?" |
| 05:54.32 | Ancu | for those interested, my testing so far makes it seem that the physical authenticators are indeed temporal |
| 05:55.05 | Adys | Ancu: or you could read the authenticator faq and have had that figured out a week ago :P |
| 05:59.39 | Jerub | and one-time |
| 05:59.46 | Jerub | (and cross system onetime) |
| 05:59.57 | Jerub | can't use it on us.battle.net and wow with the same number, i tried :) |
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| 06:19.16 | Kraps | http://internetometer.com/ |
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| 06:58.09 | ZorbaTHut | lowest ilvl in the raid by 20, and dpsing in healing gear |
| 06:58.15 | ZorbaTHut | why am I #4 on the damage charts |
| 07:00.28 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: wait, 'raid' ? |
| 07:00.34 | ZorbaTHut | 10-man raid |
| 07:00.56 | ZorbaTHut | so, I mean, at least it's not a 25-man |
| 07:00.57 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: that's just scrweed. |
| 07:01.19 | ZorbaTHut | still, there are two people who should be beating me, and aren't. |
| 07:01.29 | Jerub | i want to know why with 3000 spellpower my druid can only pull 1200dps in raids (in healer gear and spec) |
| 07:02.25 | ZorbaTHut | the fact that rankwatch is going fucking mental probably isn't helping matters |
| 07:02.43 | Sargeras | pokes Dolby |
| 07:03.00 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: when it says things 3 times, i hit /rankwatch party |
| 07:03.18 | ZorbaTHut | "/rankwatch all" is the only way to run |
| 07:03.42 | ZorbaTHut | also why do we keep getting plate |
| 07:04.00 | ZorbaTHut | three bosses, 100% plate |
| 07:10.47 | Dolby | smacks Sargeras |
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| 07:34.12 | zenzio | random battleground? :-o |
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| 07:40.14 | Elkano | Your battleground of the day is... Hillsbrad Foothills |
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| 07:55.21 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/02/18/funny-pictures-cat-lotsa-teefus/ |
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| 08:00.04 | ZorbaTHut | awesome, forming ony25 group |
| 08:00.12 | ZorbaTHut | so far we have two healers, two ranged dps, zero tanks, and ten melee dps |
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| 08:49.45 | olafski | ahh.. rankwatch.. a hunter in my gf's guild has been doing icc25 for 4 nights now with her spamming him with rankwatch whispers and he just doesn't fix it :P |
| 08:52.36 | Jerub | olafski: time to talk to the raidleader about benching them... |
| 08:52.48 | Jerub | also, /rankwatch party |
| 08:54.19 | olafski | one of the officers installed rankwatch by my gf's suggestion |
| 08:54.26 | olafski | still took him 3 more nights to get it fixed :P |
| 08:54.36 | olafski | not a great guild but I think my gf is happy there |
| 08:54.41 | mikma | lal |
| 08:55.02 | olafski | I prefer my own onemanguild |
| 08:55.12 | mikma | i saw persons in my previous guild who just said "no" when they were asked to upgrade their spells |
| 08:55.23 | olafski | wow |
| 08:55.30 | olafski | what reason could you possibly have to not want that |
| 08:55.43 | olafski | too much work to visit a trainer? |
| 08:55.53 | mikma | beign retarded is prolly reason nr. 1 |
| 08:55.55 | olafski | skills too expensive? ;) |
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| 09:03.50 | ZorbaTHut | man, /rankwatch all |
| 09:03.52 | ZorbaTHut | it is the best |
| 09:04.44 | olafski | should probably do that in a raid yeah |
| 09:04.55 | olafski | does that spam it to raid _and_ party _and_ whisper? |
| 09:04.59 | olafski | or just the largest group? |
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| 09:06.29 | ZorbaTHut | just the largest group |
| 09:12.01 | olafski | not bad |
| 09:12.12 | olafski | I usually have it on none and just chuckle when I see people sucking |
| 09:12.24 | neOliv | hi there... before reinventing the wheel I'm trying to check if there is an addon somewhere that parses the various chats to check fot key strings (like say, gdkp). and warns the user that there is indeed something in the flood of /2 :) |
| 09:12.26 | Wobin | I've had it falsely report |
| 09:12.40 | Wobin | for some reason it told me my earthshield was too low a level |
| 09:14.01 | neOliv | I see I'm not the only one asleep ;) |
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| 09:18.54 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, every single time I've heard people say "it got it wrong", they were casting the wrong spell :P |
| 09:19.34 | olafski | hah I got in a fight with some dude who was calling me a nazi and stuff like that, telling me to learn how to play myself before criticizing others, telling me I had no clue how to play his class etc |
| 09:20.04 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.18 | Wobin | So. There you go, your one example, where it was right =P |
| 09:20.37 | olafski | if it consistently does that perhaps you should file a bug report or fix it ;) |
| 09:20.51 | Wobin | well, I don't run it, myself |
| 09:21.01 | Wobin | It was during an AQ40 lolrun |
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| 09:21.36 | Wobin | where it ended up with four of us, two resto shammies and a warrior and a warlock taking down the twin emps >< |
| 09:21.44 | Wobin | thank god for water shield mana battery =P |
| 09:22.07 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 09:23.05 | Fisker | fu Wobin |
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| 12:01.56 | Flowy | hello |
| 12:02.03 | Flowy | SlashCmdList["ARENASPAM"] = ArenaSpam |
| 12:02.03 | Flowy | SLASH_ARENASPAM1 = "/as" |
| 12:02.03 | Flowy | function ArenaSpam(chan,word1,word2) |
| 12:02.26 | Flowy | why is in word1 table? |
| 12:02.51 | Flowy | or from where is that table |
| 12:02.51 | jnwhiteh | tat's not a meaningful english sentence |
| 12:03.12 | Flowy | why is table in word1? (correct?) |
| 12:03.20 | jnwhiteh | A slash command handler takes two arguments |
| 12:03.27 | jnwhiteh | 1.) the txt portion after the /slash bit |
| 12:03.35 | jnwhiteh | 2.) the editbox in which the command was entered |
| 12:03.40 | jnwhiteh | so that's what word1 is. |
| 12:03.42 | jnwhiteh | in this case |
| 12:04.36 | Flowy | where to find something about slashcommand? |
| 12:04.53 | jnwhiteh | What do you want to know? |
| 12:05.02 | Flowy | how to get word1 and word2 |
| 12:05.06 | adimit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Slash_commands << probably more than you need. |
| 12:05.06 | jnwhiteh | there is no word2 |
| 12:05.28 | jnwhiteh | There's a chapter in each book on slash commands, as well. |
| 12:05.50 | jnwhiteh | adimit: that page doesn't tell you how they're implemented. |
| 12:06.01 | adimit | right. Wrong link, jnwhiteh, sorry :-\ |
| 12:06.01 | jnwhiteh | so its not useful in this case |
| 12:06.18 | jnwhiteh | Flowy: your slash command function will get the text after the slash portion, and the editbox. Those are the only arguments. |
| 12:06.28 | jnwhiteh | so if you have a handler set up for /foo and type /foo I love monkeys |
| 12:06.43 | jnwhiteh | then your handler will be called with "I love monkeys" as the first argument, and the editbox frame as te second argument |
| 12:06.49 | jnwhiteh | not sure what more you need to know? |
| 12:07.05 | Flowy | ok thanks |
| 12:07.07 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: maybe he doesn't understand what an "argument" is |
| 12:07.13 | Legorol | or how passing values to functions work |
| 12:07.22 | Legorol | or how naming arguments work |
| 12:07.28 | jnwhiteh | then eh shouldn't be doing anyting with slash commands |
| 12:07.30 | jnwhiteh | and needs to read PiL |
| 12:07.36 | jnwhiteh | that's outside of the scope of this conversation =) |
| 12:07.47 | Legorol | idd :) |
| 12:08.02 | Fisker | HEY jnwhiteh |
| 12:08.11 | jnwhiteh | going to lunch, bbl |
| 12:08.13 | Legorol | when someone asks a question that doesn't make sense, i tend to look at it and assume that he has less knowledge than we take for granted sometimes |
| 12:08.34 | jnwhiteh | Sure, I just don't have the time or patience to make that assumption right now |
| 12:08.54 | jnwhiteh | so I ask for what more the person needs from me, and if they can't identify it, I certainly don't have time to go on an exploratory mission, at the moment |
| 12:09.32 | adimit | Hello btw, I'm new to addon programming, too :-P question: I'm trying to find the current spell's target (I.e. a player's cast is in progress, but it maybe @mouseover.) I know how to do that with Ace3, but not without... any ideas? |
| 12:09.55 | jnwhiteh | if you're talking about the player, you can't tell it through the API |
| 12:09.59 | jnwhiteh | you need to use the combat log events |
| 12:10.56 | adimit | damn. Thanks anyway. Yeah, I'm talking about assigning a target in the sense of "cast Regrowth on RaidMember10" or so. |
| 12:13.39 | Legorol | jnwhiteh: have a nice lunch :) |
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| 12:15.23 | Flowy | ~wiki pil |
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| 12:17.10 | AlicanC | hey, how do I check if the mail frame is opened? |
| 12:17.26 | Audible | you can do a check [mailframename]:IsVisible() |
| 12:19.03 | Legorol | AlicanC: are you trying to check if it's currently open, or you want to capture the moment when it gets opened? |
| 12:19.15 | AlicanC | jut trying to check if its opened |
| 12:19.21 | Legorol | then what Audible said |
| 12:20.08 | Audible | if not then you hook the event thats fired when you open the inbox |
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| 12:22.25 | AlicanC | im actually trying to make an addon to easily mail flasks to the guild members |
| 12:22.39 | Flowy | ~wiki alphanumeric character |
| 12:23.00 | Flowy | ~wiki alphanumeric |
| 12:23.16 | AlicanC | so i also have to find a way to put the player name, subject, message and an item to the mail |
| 12:45.07 | olafski | is there some addon that shows the total damage done by one tick of an aoe spell? preferrably doing just that, nothing else :) |
| 12:46.11 | AlicanC | how can I attach the item in the first slot of the backpack to the mail? |
| 12:46.19 | AlicanC | PickupContainerItem(0, 1); ClickSendMailItemButton(); |
| 12:46.25 | AlicanC | did that but nothing happens |
| 12:47.14 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/code_breaking.jpg |
| 12:48.33 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/rap_body.jpg |
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| 12:49.26 | zenzio | is "kuvei" a word? |
| 12:49.36 | Flowy | why ggekko is better than flipper :D |
| 12:50.49 | mikma | zenzio: don't think so, it doesn't make any sense :D |
| 12:55.37 | Adys | Flowy: flipper is a dictionary word |
| 12:55.58 | Maldivia | AlicanC: if the send mail is open, /use 0 1 |
| 12:56.15 | Adys | although id like to know why "dreams" is geeky |
| 12:56.18 | Maldivia | AlicanC: so UseContainerItem(0,1) |
| 12:56.43 | olafski | non geeks don't dream adys |
| 12:56.49 | AlicanC | Maldivia, ty |
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| 12:57.28 | Flowy | must I use gsub if I want to remove something from string? (or is there something especialy for that?) |
| 12:58.01 | krka | it's impossible to remove something from a string in lua |
| 12:58.07 | krka | you can only create new strings |
| 12:58.20 | Flowy | hmm ok |
| 12:58.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | i think thats what he meant |
| 12:58.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | create a new string with some text removed |
| 12:59.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | gsub is probably the most direct way |
| 13:01.12 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsDEfu8s1Lw <- that's one awesome timing for sonic boom |
| 13:03.24 | AlicanC | how do I run a slash command from LUA? |
| 13:04.10 | sylvanaar_atwork | figure out what funciton the slash command calls? |
| 13:04.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | alot of em are protected now |
| 13:04.28 | olafski | guess I'll have to make this addon I just mentioned myself :P |
| 13:04.31 | AlicanC | its in another addon |
| 13:04.39 | AlicanC | can I call a function in another addon? |
| 13:04.52 | sylvanaar_atwork | if you access it |
| 13:05.36 | mikma | olafski: adys dream? |
| 13:06.26 | olafski | mikma: no, something that shows the total damage done by aoe spells |
| 13:11.17 | adimit | hey guys, which events do I need to register for a frame in order to get notified of spellcasting starts (i.e. channeled or cast time spells with a target)? |
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| 13:11.41 | Flowy | >string.match("whisper","(w(hisp)?(er)?)") |
| 13:11.59 | Flowy | what is bad? |
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| 13:12.23 | olafski | adimit: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Spell ? |
| 13:13.19 | adimit | olafski, yeah, but it doesn't feature the target. |
| 13:13.58 | adimit | UNI_SPELLCAST_START has no target. Only UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT, which will add a delay. |
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| 13:14.57 | olafski | hmm |
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| 13:16.25 | adimit | The frustrating thing is, I cba to read the ACE3 code that does this. Because they DO do it, but the code is such a nightmare... |
| 13:17.23 | nevcairiel | Ace3 is a framework, it itself doesnt do anything |
| 13:18.16 | olafski | nevcairiel: could you remind me how I set up AceDB such that it by default uses a global profile but still allows people to make their own profiles? :$ |
| 13:18.28 | adimit | nevcairiel, I know, but as a framework it offers utilities. One such utility is getting the spell's target even if it differs from the current target (i.e. on @focus, @mouseover)... |
| 13:18.38 | nevcairiel | adimit: no, it doesnt. |
| 13:18.38 | adimit | at least if I understand the Quartz code correctly, it does. |
| 13:18.55 | adimit | ... hmm... Maybe I should look at the Quartz code again. |
| 13:19.31 | Maldivia | Flowy: not sure you can do group matching with lua patterns, but not 100% |
| 13:19.38 | nevcairiel | all Quartz does, is use the target from the _SENT event. |
| 13:19.51 | Flowy | >string.match("whisperrr","(w[h?i?s?p?]*[e?r?]*)") |
| 13:19.53 | adimit | ... well, that would be just dandy then... |
| 13:20.00 | Flowy | how to get just whisper ... not whisperrr |
| 13:20.10 | adimit | thanks for the info, I'll look into it. |
| 13:20.43 | Flowy | can I make "set" the part of another "set"? |
| 13:22.32 | Maldivia | Flowy: wouldn't it be a lot easier to just do if str=="w" or str=="whisp" or str=="whisper" then ? :) |
| 13:22.57 | Flowy | maybe but its not geek x) |
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| 13:23.09 | Maldivia | but faster and more readable :) |
| 13:23.11 | Flowy | >string.match("whisperrr","(w[[hisp][hisp][hisp][hisp]]?[[er][er]]?)") look working |
| 13:23.13 | nevcairiel | ~kiss |
| 13:23.21 | nevcairiel | no kiss factoid? |
| 13:24.02 | olafski | flowy: wow.. but what's the point? |
| 13:24.07 | Maldivia | Flowy: try with whhhhee :) |
| 13:24.14 | zenzio | nevcairiel: not even purl will kiss you :-o |
| 13:24.48 | Flowy | I want to get w if there is w+name ... whisp if there is whisp+name and "whisper" if there is "whispername" |
| 13:25.14 | adimit | Interesting... oUF's castbar.lua handles all spell events except for _SENT... |
| 13:25.31 | haste | adimit: why would it need _SENT :p ? |
| 13:25.35 | nevcairiel | its mostly used for target castbars |
| 13:25.39 | nevcairiel | those dont have a _SENT event |
| 13:25.44 | nevcairiel | _SENT only works for the player himself |
| 13:26.00 | olafski | hm if I channel tranquility I get one UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED and one for every tick, but with hurricane I only get the one at the start |
| 13:26.23 | Wobin | http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/b3mo9/what_is_your_favorite_quote_of_all_time/c0ks728 |
| 13:26.23 | Maldivia | Flowy: isn't abit "dangerous" not to have a seperator between the keyword and then name? |
| 13:26.51 | Maldivia | Flowy: whisperson <-- is that a whisper to "hisperson", "erson" or "son" ? |
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| 13:27.17 | Flowy | know that but there will be type whisperhisperson ... |
| 13:27.27 | adimit | haste: haha. yeah, I guess. I want to print my current spell's target in the castbar. |
| 13:27.42 | adimit | That's what I'd need _SENT for. |
| 13:27.49 | Flowy | typed |
| 13:28.26 | Maldivia | Flowy: having a seperator would make things a lot easier :P |
| 13:28.40 | Flowy | it wont :D |
| 13:28.58 | Flowy | have string with "channel text" |
| 13:29.09 | Flowy | extract from there channel |
| 13:29.27 | Flowy | that would be "guild ..." or "whisper"+name |
| 13:29.56 | Maldivia | "w:flowy hello" |
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| 13:36.34 | Flowy | Maldivia good idea thanks :) |
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| 13:40.30 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/022010/csi_the_middle_ages.jpg |
| 13:41.26 | Flowy | what is caine? |
| 13:41.40 | Flowy | or who is |
| 13:43.01 | olafski | horatio caine |
| 13:43.04 | olafski | from CSI miami |
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| 13:43.17 | olafski | is CLEU the only event I can use to capture when a player damages an enemy? |
| 13:45.52 | foxlit | No, but it is perhaps the easiest to work with. |
| 13:46.31 | olafski | hmm. I just don't want to register events I don't need.. all I need is when a player ability hits someone and causes damage |
| 13:46.52 | olafski | maybe this is premature optimization again though :) |
| 13:47.05 | foxlit | UNIT_DAMAGE, UNIT_COMBAT? |
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| 13:48.08 | olafski | UNIT_DAMAGE seems to have something to do with buffs/weapons changing |
| 13:48.51 | olafski | UNIT_COMBAT could do I think.. though hm. that doesn't list which spell was used for it, guess I'll go with CLEU after all :) thanks |
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| 13:57.48 | Lopeppeppy | I really hate vague sheeple "I couldn't log in" is... unhelpful. What exact error message did you get, omg how hard is that question? |
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| 14:04.24 | Flowy | why it return error? |
| 14:04.24 | Flowy | if (letter = "w" and string.match(chan,"%a:%a")) then |
| 14:05.03 | Flowy | ')' expected near '=' |
| 14:05.16 | Adys | letter == |
| 14:05.39 | Adys | letter = is an assignment |
| 14:05.49 | Flowy | ah thanks |
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| 14:07.07 | Flowy | how to post quotes in string? |
| 14:07.23 | adimit | escape with \ |
| 14:07.37 | adimit | i.e. "\"hello,\" he said" |
| 14:09.02 | Flowy | if type(tostring(word1)) == "string" then |
| 14:09.14 | Flowy | if word1 is nil then it always return true? |
| 14:10.35 | adimit | tostring(nil) is always nil. |
| 14:10.40 | adimit | type(nil) is always nil |
| 14:11.00 | adimit | equality to nil can only be established against another nil. (i.e. nil is only equal to itself) |
| 14:11.10 | adimit | nil ~= anything |
| 14:11.19 | adimit | except anything == nil :-P |
| 14:11.24 | Flowy | >if type(tostring(nil)) == "string" then print("true") end |
| 14:13.06 | Flowy | adimit why it return true? |
| 14:13.09 | nevcairiel | actually |
| 14:13.14 | nevcairiel | lua> type(nil) == "nil" |
| 14:13.15 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: true |
| 14:13.22 | nevcairiel | it returns a string, like everything else |
| 14:13.44 | adimit | ah right. forgot that type always returns a string. (lua newb...) |
| 14:13.46 | Flowy | lua>type(tostring(nil)) == "string" |
| 14:13.47 | lua_bot | Flowy: true |
| 14:13.54 | nevcairiel | same as tostring |
| 14:14.15 | adimit | I was used to ghci, which always puts strings in quotes... :-P |
| 14:14.16 | Legorol | lua> print(tostring(nil)) |
| 14:14.17 | lua_bot | Legorol: nil |
| 14:14.37 | Legorol | lua> print(sttring.sub(tostring(nil),1,1)) |
| 14:14.38 | lua_bot | Legorol: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'sttring' (a nil value) |
| 14:14.43 | Legorol | lua> print(string.sub(tostring(nil),1,1)) |
| 14:14.44 | lua_bot | Legorol: n |
| 14:15.09 | Legorol | tostring(nil) is the string "nil" |
| 14:15.19 | Legorol | it's not the value nil |
| 14:16.40 | nevcairiel | also, "equality to nil can only be established against another nil. (i.e. nil is only equal to itself)" .. equality to any value can only be established against another value that is exactly the same :P |
| 14:18.17 | Flowy | string.match(args,"([%a:]+) (%w+) (%w+)") |
| 14:18.54 | adimit | yeah, but nil is special, like the empty set... |
| 14:18.56 | olafski | lua> bla = 5; bla++; print(bla) |
| 14:18.57 | lua_bot | olafski: luabot:1: '=' expected near '+' |
| 14:19.03 | nevcairiel | nil isnt really special |
| 14:19.07 | olafski | lua> bla = 5; bla+=1; print(bla) |
| 14:19.07 | lua_bot | olafski: luabot:1: '=' expected near '+' |
| 14:19.18 | olafski | there are no += and ++ operators in Lua? |
| 14:19.23 | nevcairiel | no |
| 14:19.51 | olafski | dang |
| 14:20.15 | olafski | got the total damage for a channeled aoe spell now though.. now to figure out how I get it per tick :P |
| 14:20.31 | Flowy | how to do last pattern as "not needed" (cant remember for word) |
| 14:20.35 | Flowy | string.match(args,"([%a:]+) (%w+) (%w+)") |
| 14:21.06 | olafski | does it have the shorthand ternary operator then? |
| 14:21.12 | nevcairiel | you could use * instead of +, that will allow zero length |
| 14:21.21 | Flowy | olafski msbt can show you total dmg for each tick per blizzard |
| 14:21.28 | olafski | lua> print(1 == 2 ? "lol" : "bla") |
| 14:21.30 | lua_bot | olafski: luabot:1: ')' expected near '?' |
| 14:21.32 | adimit | you don't need the ternary operator. you have or and and. |
| 14:21.39 | olafski | flowy: I know, but I didn't like msbt ;) |
| 14:21.40 | Flowy | nevcairiel but it need space |
| 14:21.47 | olafski | adimit: ah, true :) |
| 14:21.51 | nevcairiel | the ternary operator is better then and/or :p |
| 14:21.58 | nevcairiel | but lua doesnt have it |
| 14:22.05 | adimit | no doubt. :-) |
| 14:22.24 | olafski | lua> print(1 == 2 and "lol" or "bla") |
| 14:22.25 | lua_bot | olafski: bla |
| 14:22.30 | olafski | cheers |
| 14:22.42 | Kraps | should i put str or stam in a prismatic slot? i know tanks need stam but i like doing more damage |
| 14:23.25 | adimit | do you have threat issues? |
| 14:23.40 | Kraps | sometimes |
| 14:23.45 | Legorol | Kraps: why do you want to do more damage as tank? |
| 14:23.49 | Legorol | doing damage is the dps's job |
| 14:23.52 | Legorol | your job is to tank |
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| 14:24.10 | olafski | damage is threat though.. but that's another thing :) |
| 14:24.16 | Legorol | anyway, str is unlikely to be the best stat even if you are after extra threa |
| 14:24.24 | Flowy | lua> string.match("this:this this","([%a:]+) (%w+) (%w)*") |
| 14:24.27 | lua_bot | Flowy: nil |
| 14:24.39 | Legorol | if you are not at the respective caps yet, expertise and hit are lot more valuable for a tank than strength |
| 14:24.40 | Flowy | nevcairiel it need space before last word |
| 14:25.02 | Flowy | lua> string.match("this:this this","([%a:]+) (%w+) (%w*)") |
| 14:25.04 | lua_bot | Flowy: nil |
| 14:25.11 | Kraps | right |
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| 14:27.22 | Kraps | Accurate Ametrine |
| 14:27.25 | Flowy | lua> string.match("this:this this","([%a:]+) (%w+) ?(%w*)") |
| 14:27.26 | lua_bot | Flowy: this:this, this, |
| 14:27.40 | Kaelten | http://www.norcalis.com/ |
| 14:27.46 | Flowy | what is last result? |
| 14:27.53 | Adys | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/2/19/cyclical-argument-literal-strawman/ |
| 14:29.15 | Adys | Kaelten: wtf is that? |
| 14:29.28 | olafski | I hope that's really old |
| 14:29.28 | Kaelten | Adys: the site you send all your difficult clients too |
| 14:29.38 | Adys | right |
| 14:29.40 | Adys | bookmarked then. |
| 14:30.08 | Lopeppeppy | I want to stuff all my sheeps inside it. |
| 14:30.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'm starting to tell them I won't be available for a week due to hand surgery. OMG you'd think I'm telling them the world is ending. |
| 14:30.27 | Flowy | lua> string.match("this:this this","([%a:]+) (%w+) ?(%w)*") |
| 14:30.28 | lua_bot | Flowy: nil |
| 14:30.28 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1605 |
| 14:30.31 | nevcairiel | if their website is any indication how they design stuff, they need to die |
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| 14:33.33 | Kaso | Flowy: what are you trying to capture |
| 14:33.46 | Kaso | "this", "this", "this" ? |
| 14:34.03 | Flowy | I want to last "parameter" is not needed |
| 14:34.29 | Flowy | additional? |
| 14:34.59 | Flowy | optional! |
| 14:35.16 | Kaso | (%w+) ?(%w*) |
| 14:35.18 | Kaso | i think is what you want |
| 14:35.33 | Flowy | yeah it work ... but still return "" |
| 14:35.44 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: I hope it's a sataire |
| 14:35.44 | Flowy | if you know how to do it without return then say |
| 14:35.57 | Flowy | but dont need it now |
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| 14:36.34 | neOliv | hi there... before reinventing the wheel I'm trying to check if there is an addon somewhere that parses the various chats to check for key strings (like say, gdkp). and warns the user that there is indeed something in the flood of /2 ? |
| 14:36.56 | adimit | + |
| 14:37.02 | adimit | neOliv, chatty does that |
| 14:37.15 | neOliv | ahhh :) the only one I did not test? |
| 14:37.25 | neOliv | thank you |
| 14:37.36 | adimit | :-) Or maybe it was Prat. Anyhow one of the two does do it, I'm sure. |
| 14:37.41 | neOliv | and... won't have to code it, good news ;) |
| 14:37.49 | neOliv | did not find how to do it in prat |
| 14:37.53 | neOliv | guess this is chatty :) |
| 14:38.29 | Kaso | Flowy: lua will return something for every pair of () you have so you can't really have what you need. but yeah, dont need to do the logic in regex, just do it in lua if (third_return~="") then, but i guess you figured that |
| 14:38.57 | Flowy | yes thanks |
| 14:39.02 | olafski | can I make a frame with an onupdate from lua or does it have to be from xml? |
| 14:40.19 | Kaso | SetScript("OnUpdate",function() end) |
| 14:40.29 | Kaso | append yourframe: to the start there.. |
| 14:40.37 | Kaso | prepend? |
| 14:41.06 | olafski | prepend yeah |
| 14:41.09 | olafski | thanks |
| 14:41.15 | olafski | now to figure out how I get this frame in the first place ;p |
| 14:41.43 | Kaso | frame = CreateFrame("frame"); |
| 14:42.05 | olafski | ah it needs a name.. that's where I went wrong ;p |
| 14:42.38 | Kaso | "frame" isnt the name its the frame type (ie, frame, button, whatever) |
| 14:42.48 | Kaso | the second argument would be the name, but i made that one anonymously |
| 14:42.59 | olafski | oh okay.. don't need a name then, cheers again :) |
| 14:43.04 | Kaso | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFrame |
| 14:45.00 | neOliv | admit: you were right chatter has the feature (nothing fancy like regexps but a simple string matching which is alreay good enough) |
| 14:45.47 | Kaso | move /2 to another tab ;p |
| 14:47.22 | neOliv | already done :) but still have to digh thru the "noise" to get some "signal" :) |
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| 14:50.50 | adimit | neOliv, nice :-) I might actually write up something with regex support. |
| 14:52.02 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 14:52.09 | jnwhiteh | why would you even begin to put regex into Lua |
| 14:52.32 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: people just think regex will solve all their problems |
| 14:52.45 | jnwhiteh | they're wrong :P |
| 14:53.05 | nevcairiel | If you have a problem, and you think you can solve it with regex, you infact have two problems now! |
| 14:53.15 | jnwhiteh | s/regex/XML/ |
| 14:53.18 | jnwhiteh | tho both apply =) |
| 14:55.40 | Ancu | whats regex? |
| 14:55.50 | jnwhiteh | ~wiki regular expressions |
| 14:57.46 | olafski | can I get the current timstamp (with milliseconds) during an onupdate? I thought of a hack to get what I want but that doesn't seem like the way to go |
| 14:58.09 | jnwhiteh | you can get 'a time' |
| 14:58.13 | jnwhiteh | but its not 'the current time' |
| 14:58.15 | jnwhiteh | at that precision |
| 14:58.19 | jnwhiteh | but you can compare them to other 'time' values. |
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| 14:58.40 | olafski | other time values is fine |
| 14:58.53 | olafski | just need to know how much time elapsed since the last damage was dealt by the player |
| 14:59.00 | jnwhiteh | you can use debugprofilestart() debugprofilestop() but those are shared |
| 14:59.01 | jnwhiteh | !api Time |
| 14:59.04 | lua_bot | Found 56 possible matches for 'Time'. Please be more specific |
| 14:59.06 | jnwhiteh | !api GetTime |
| 14:59.08 | lua_bot | GetTime: Returns a number representing the current time (with millisecond precision) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTime) |
| 14:59.10 | jnwhiteh | is that ms precision, I forget |
| 14:59.13 | jnwhiteh | yes it is =) |
| 14:59.29 | olafski | ah, nice. couldn't find that on wowwiki |
| 14:59.43 | jnwhiteh | hence why we don't look there first =) |
| 14:59.59 | olafski | I'm used to that :$ |
| 15:00.12 | jnwhiteh | well break yourself of the habit. |
| 15:00.24 | olafski | yeah guess I will do that ;) thanks |
| 15:00.24 | jnwhiteh | the ads on wowwiki alone make my computer cry =/ |
| 15:00.39 | jnwhiteh | to be fair, that's flash's fault, not theirs.. |
| 15:00.43 | jnwhiteh | but they put flash on there =( |
| 15:01.21 | adimit | adblock ftw. |
| 15:01.27 | jnwhiteh | again |
| 15:01.32 | jnwhiteh | i shouldn't have to use that to make a website usable |
| 15:02.09 | Lopeppeppy | Must be great when viewed in iPhones. |
| 15:02.17 | adimit | ... true, but the reality is a sad sad place. |
| 15:02.32 | olafski | agreed.. wowwiki's ads are horrible |
| 15:02.34 | olafski | but they have a lot of good info |
| 15:02.54 | jnwhiteh | the ads do? |
| 15:02.57 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:03.01 | jnwhiteh | I use wowwiki for strats |
| 15:03.06 | jnwhiteh | won't go near it for API docs |
| 15:03.20 | olafski | no, wowwiki has good info :P |
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| 15:03.55 | adimit | yeah, api-info is a little messy on wowwiki... |
| 15:04.39 | jnwhiteh | lucky we have an alternative =) |
| 15:05.20 | jnwhiteh | I need to get a howto section up on wowprogramming.com |
| 15:05.21 | jnwhiteh | that's be nice |
| 15:05.25 | jnwhiteh | tho snippets help a bit with that |
| 15:08.28 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, how to. |
| 15:10.54 | foxlit | "olafski: agreed.. wowwiki's ads are horrible" << Log in. |
| 15:11.16 | foxlit | iirc they're only shown to anonymous visitors. |
| 15:11.51 | jnwhiteh | that's good to know.. so I can stop them from hosing my computer |
| 15:11.55 | jnwhiteh | when I need to look up boss strats |
| 15:13.16 | olafski | foxlit: for some reason it won't remember my login.. I don't want to login every time I go there :< |
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| 15:13.31 | foxlit | Works for me, I'm afraid :( |
| 15:13.47 | kneeki | Is it possible to move a secure button while in combat? |
| 15:14.02 | foxlit | Yes, but no. |
| 15:14.06 | jnwhiteh | what he said |
| 15:14.14 | kneeki | Thanks for the clear responce :) |
| 15:14.22 | jnwhiteh | your question wasn't clear =) |
| 15:14.22 | nevcairiel | Short answer: no. |
| 15:14.23 | foxlit | We're here if you need us :) |
| 15:14.28 | kneeki | haha |
| 15:14.29 | jnwhiteh | Yes, you can move a secure button while in combat. |
| 15:14.32 | nevcairiel | Long answer: its complicated |
| 15:14.35 | jnwhiteh | No, you probably can't do it the way you want to do it |
| 15:15.02 | kneeki | Well, I'd like to have buttons slide in and out if the player mouses over a frame for a neat 'dock' like effect |
| 15:15.20 | nevcairiel | you can probably do that |
| 15:15.25 | nevcairiel | might just get complex |
| 15:15.43 | foxlit | It's problematic (no OnUpdate) but you can trick it into working |
| 15:15.53 | nevcairiel | dont we even have a secure on update? |
| 15:16.05 | kneeki | Hrm |
| 15:16.05 | foxlit | No, they cut all access to time. |
| 15:16.24 | foxlit | [There's a limited exception for delayed responding to OnLeave, but that's about it] |
| 15:16.58 | olafski | wow, my monitor just exploded |
| 15:17.04 | nevcairiel | could do it with a animation |
| 15:17.05 | olafski | jebus I hope I have warranty on this |
| 15:17.14 | Lopeppeppy | 'sploded how? |
| 15:17.21 | foxlit | nevcairiel: but no hit area |
| 15:17.24 | olafski | well not really exploded.. it just did a loud POP and now won't go on again |
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| 15:17.52 | foxlit | It's probably easiest to do it by faking everything with one giant button, and computing the effect when you actually click it. |
| 15:18.53 | foxlit | Which would let you animate your pretty but non-functional insecure buttons from insecure code. |
| 15:18.58 | kneeki | Hrm, so I wouldn't be using OnEnter? |
| 15:20.05 | Lopeppeppy | I think that I need some brain bleach. |
| 15:23.08 | Kraps | that was... interesting |
| 15:23.10 | olafski | anyone know what warranty Dell gives on their monitors? :P |
| 15:23.19 | Kraps | gundrak |
| 15:23.21 | nevcairiel | usually 3, extended 5 |
| 15:23.27 | Lopeppeppy | Probably less than the store does. |
| 15:23.31 | olafski | nevcairiel: that would be great.. I think it's less than 3 years old |
| 15:23.52 | Kraps | first healer after 1st boss "i gtg" he leaves |
| 15:24.12 | nevcairiel | Stores are forced to give us 2 years, most manufactures only give one .. so after the first, the store is fucked :P |
| 15:24.24 | nevcairiel | but dell is nice, they give 3 |
| 15:24.51 | Kraps | second healer dies in the fish at last boss. goes to dalaran, no response, leaves group |
| 15:25.31 | Kraps | 3rd healer, dies in fish at last boss, goes to IF, gets votekicked |
| 15:25.43 | nevcairiel | wtf fish? |
| 15:25.45 | Kraps | 4th healer was the charm |
| 15:25.55 | nevcairiel | what fish is part of the last boss? :P |
| 15:26.00 | olafski | swimming to the last boss:) |
| 15:26.04 | Kraps | ^ |
| 15:26.12 | nevcairiel | you dont have to swim .. you could just take the 5 meters extra.. |
| 15:27.06 | olafski | oO |
| 15:27.12 | olafski | you can't really go back the way you came |
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| 15:27.42 | nevcairiel | no instance i know has a point of no return |
| 15:27.45 | Kraps | why leave though? |
| 15:27.47 | olafski | dunno how you do gundrak but the shortcut way is generally how people do it on my server |
| 15:28.00 | olafski | nevcairiel: no, but you skip a bunch of mobs by jumping into the water |
| 15:28.06 | olafski | if you go back that way you have to clear them anyway |
| 15:28.46 | nevcairiel | see what that shortcut got you now? |
| 15:28.51 | olafski | :P |
| 15:28.55 | olafski | I've never seen anyone die in those ifsh |
| 15:28.56 | olafski | fish* |
| 15:29.00 | olafski | and leaving is kind of odd |
| 15:30.38 | Kraps | couldnt believe how quickly they died either |
| 15:36.58 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 15:37.00 | Fisker | you live in a trashcan |
| 15:37.12 | batrick | why is it searching for the right special character (greek, math, etc.) in any office program makes me want to gouge my eyes out |
| 15:37.19 | mikma | http://www2.printshop.co.uk/Weebl/Shop/Weebl_Trinkets/Amazing_Horse_Shut_Up_Keyring/Product.html |
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| 15:38.16 | Kraps | Fisker: idk, looks like a house to me |
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| 15:42.39 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/sekret/01-Amazing_Horse.mp3 (extended ^^) |
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| 15:46.47 | Kraps | http://www.ascentive.com/run/click/fastatlast/go/pcss_download?c1=H... is blocked because it is currently categorized as: Spyware / Malware Sources Spyware Effects |
| 15:46.51 | Kraps | hahahahahaha |
| 15:47.20 | mikma | orly |
| 15:47.26 | mikma | now according to my pc |
| 15:48.20 | Lopeppeppy | batrick, that's exactly what I'm doing right now. Jinx. |
| 15:48.42 | Lopeppeppy | Looking for accented characters for an email newsletter, which will actually show up properly in email clients... |
| 15:49.06 | batrick | i really really hate how they have it setup |
| 15:49.19 | batrick | straining my eyes looking through their tiny list |
| 15:49.49 | Lopeppeppy | I found the one I needed. Finally. But it doesn't print properly in Outlook emails. |
| 15:49.53 | Lopeppeppy | *bangs head off desk a lot a lot a LOT* |
| 15:49.58 | batrick | :( |
| 15:53.22 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: this is why it sucks that so many people in different places try to use so many different languages with weird characters. |
| 15:53.30 | Legorol | We should all just use Chinese and problem solved |
| 15:53.43 | Legorol | None of this silliness with Latin-based character sets |
| 15:54.01 | Lopeppeppy | For serious! |
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| 15:58.47 | olafski | wow.. monitors sure got a lot cheaper since I got mine.. |
| 15:59.25 | Lopeppeppy | They're not that bad any more. Makes me wish I could use mine as a TV. :) |
| 16:00.47 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
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| 16:01.53 | Lopeppeppy | Just to check myself... Ä -- č oui? |
| 16:02.00 | olafski | lopeppeppy: I paid 800 euro for this dell screen |
| 16:02.14 | olafski | looks like I can get a HP W2448HC for 150 euro now :s |
| 16:02.36 | Lopeppeppy | That's a big change. |
| 16:03.17 | olafski | it dropped from 360 to 150 in the last month, must be a mistake by the store.. I better order soon ;) |
| 16:03.30 | Kraps | tiger woods is having a press conference |
| 16:05.10 | Lopeppeppy | His statement leaked yesterday. |
| 16:05.26 | Lopeppeppy | olafski, there is likely a newer model either coming out or just out, to account for that drop. |
| 16:05.57 | nevcairiel | thats still a too heavy drop, even with a new model out |
| 16:06.12 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: its different |
| 16:07.21 | Lopeppeppy | Yay. Hope it's good enough to make up for it detracting from oh... the WORLD OLYMPIC COVERAGE. Spoiled rotten brat. |
| 16:08.02 | olafski | my current screen is a PVA though, this cheap one is TN |
| 16:08.40 | nevcairiel | a good PVA or IPS is at least 400-500 now |
| 16:09.20 | Lopeppeppy | You must choose your quality wisely. |
| 16:09.46 | nevcairiel | I'm still looking at the newest dell IPS |
| 16:09.53 | cog|work | lua> ({"gradbot","kvb"})[math.random(2)] |
| 16:09.54 | nevcairiel | or maybe their 27" IPS |
| 16:09.54 | lua_bot | cog|work: kvb |
| 16:09.55 | nevcairiel | mmm |
| 16:10.48 | nevcairiel | the 27 is double the price then the 24 :( |
| 16:12.30 | Kraps | oh snap hes ripping the paparazzi-medis |
| 16:13.18 | olafski | I found the reason for the price drop though.. refurb :P |
| 16:13.18 | Lopeppeppy | ? That didn't parse. |
| 16:13.45 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 16:14.02 | Kraps | er media |
| 16:16.59 | olafski | refurbished, lopeppeppy |
| 16:17.06 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, yup. That totally does it. |
| 16:17.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'll only buy refurb if I can touch it, I want to know WHAT they fixed. Some is just cosmetic, a scratch in the plastic, etc. Some... well... not worth the chance, you know? |
| 16:19.53 | Lopeppeppy | I am unpleased with the brief yahoo story about the Woods press conference. Of what significance is "there were no visible marks on him" ? |
| 16:20.11 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: What did he say, anyway? |
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| 16:21.59 | Lopeppeppy | Can't watch video at work, so I'm waiting for someone to print the full text. Sounds like "Yup, there were affairs, that's done, now I'm coming back to golf". |
| 16:22.02 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: thats a fucked up angle to take |
| 16:22.14 | Kraps | the yahoo thing |
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| 16:22.43 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. If they're poking at the incident in November that was never fully explained... it was 3 friggin' months ago. |
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| 16:26.18 | Lopeppeppy | Vague outline of his remarks - http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/blog/devil_ball_golf/post/Tiger-Woods-finally-speaks-I-am-deeply-sorry-?urn=golf,220808 |
| 16:27.58 | Cairenn|afk | it was 13.5 minutes long |
| 16:28.33 | Cairenn|afk | he took full blame, said "I fucked up", didn't blame anyone else, apologized to his family, /shrug |
| 16:28.52 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. Well, good for him for standing up to the lights. |
| 16:29.59 | Cairenn|afk | and, of course, there's already huge debate on it - "well, it was all just scripted" - "yeah, but he actually stood up and said it, he didn't have to read what they wrote for him" - yadda yadda yadda |
| 16:30.20 | cbreak | that golfer guy again? |
| 16:30.26 | Cairenn|afk | yeah |
| 16:30.42 | cbreak | I don't get all that celebrity fandom. |
| 16:30.52 | cbreak | it's not like he's steve jobs or anyone else who's actually important. |
| 16:31.19 | Kraps | cbreak: ... |
| 16:31.21 | Cairenn|afk | shrugs - given how I've been sitting here cheering on our olympic team, I can understand it |
| 16:31.25 | Lopeppeppy | Well sweet jesus popsicle sticks, would YOU appear before the world without a script? |
| 16:32.05 | Lopeppeppy | Palin writes on her freakin' hand, Obama gets a teleprompter. Tiger can have a written speech. |
| 16:34.04 | Fisker | hhahaha |
| 16:35.46 | nevcairiel | I'm with cbreak on that one, who cares :d |
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| 16:40.10 | Kraps | huh? its tiger fucking woods, the greatest golfer ever |
| 16:40.30 | Kraps | golf exists oh his behest |
| 16:40.40 | Kraps | s/oh/on |
| 16:40.42 | DWSR | Cairenn|afk! |
| 16:40.48 | Cairenn|afk | DWSR! |
| 16:40.53 | DWSR | huggles |
| 16:40.55 | cbreak | that has as much relevance as the existence of the best Cricket player. |
| 16:40.56 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 16:40.57 | Cairenn|afk | hug |
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| 16:41.41 | nevcairiel | watching team sports i can understand .. but making some golfer a god .. seriously |
| 16:41.48 | Kraps | cbreak: golf is as popular in the US as it is because of him |
| 16:42.01 | Kraps | the pga depends on him |
| 16:43.35 | DWSR | yep |
| 16:45.54 | Arrowmaster | ill admit nike has made some good commercials with him, like the golf ball bouncing one |
| 16:49.27 | Arrowmaster | and there was that 'why isnt golf an olympic sport' one that actually showed archery, i know some of the olympic level archers that where in that |
| 16:49.48 | cbreak | archery! |
| 16:49.50 | cbreak | now that's a sport |
| 16:49.55 | cbreak | or chess |
| 16:50.05 | cbreak | or katana matches |
| 16:50.08 | Lopeppeppy | I was pleased to see a pregnant woman on the curling team. |
| 16:50.25 | cbreak | why is that pleasing? |
| 16:50.55 | Lopeppeppy | Being preganant is neither life-threatening or a disability. Nice to see her competing. |
| 16:51.33 | cbreak | it has it's drawbacks |
| 16:51.52 | Lopeppeppy | So does wearing purple on St. Patrick's Day. |
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| 16:57.55 | Kaelten | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meT2eqgDjiM |
| 16:58.28 | Kraps | warsong hold looks beast |
| 16:59.07 | Fisker | wtf Kaelten |
| 16:59.10 | Fisker | don't troll me bro |
| 16:59.31 | mikma | ~wowalert |
| 16:59.32 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 17:00.41 | foxlit | wonders why battle.net passwords aren't case sensitive. |
| 17:01.26 | Kaelten | foxlit: probably to combat support issues |
| 17:02.08 | nevcairiel | why do i have a password with mixed case then? |
| 17:02.21 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: to make you feel better? |
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| 17:02.29 | Kaelten | :D |
| 17:02.50 | foxlit | Good news: you don't have to change it :) |
| 17:02.57 | Kaelten | "login issues" is a huge support issue for us, and the client only has 1.5m users or so. |
| 17:03.15 | Kaelten | I can't imagine with 12m wow players + all the bnet kiddies |
| 17:03.16 | nevcairiel | the problem is not "login issues", its "user stupidity" |
| 17:03.26 | Kaelten | thank you for reading between the lines |
| 17:03.39 | Kaelten | I love how they can log in to report the login issue though :D |
| 17:03.49 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:04.05 | Kaelten | I partly blame systems that remember your passwords for you |
| 17:04.20 | nevcairiel | WoW doesnt, so thats a bonus |
| 17:04.23 | Kaelten | yup |
| 17:04.27 | nevcairiel | if you type it every day, you might remember |
| 17:04.29 | Kaelten | probably part of the logic of why they don't |
| 17:04.41 | Kraps | wooo! Elder! |
| 17:04.48 | foxlit | Kraps: woo, drake! |
| 17:04.49 | nevcairiel | i usually end up with a funny problem though |
| 17:04.58 | nevcairiel | i couldnt tell you my password, because i dont remember |
| 17:05.00 | Kaelten | like "funny" funny or just funny |
| 17:05.04 | nevcairiel | but give me a keyboard, and i can type it |
| 17:05.08 | Kaelten | muscle memory |
| 17:05.18 | Kraps | foxlit: woo, its the only holiday ive completed! |
| 17:05.24 | foxlit | Kraps: woo, slacker! |
| 17:05.36 | Kaelten | just hope you don't get handed a dvorak keyboard (or qwerty if you're a dvorak guy) |
| 17:05.47 | Kraps | foxlit: woo, questing sucks! |
| 17:05.58 | nevcairiel | hehe yeah |
| 17:06.18 | Kaelten | have a few guys here who use dvorak |
| 17:06.22 | nevcairiel | i can try to rebuild the pw in my head following the typing motions, but it doesnt always work accurately and usually confuses myself |
| 17:06.22 | foxlit | I can't remember which password goes where |
| 17:06.29 | Kaelten | it's hehe |
| 17:06.32 | foxlit | That's an extremely annoying problem. |
| 17:06.37 | Kraps | and brewmaster |
| 17:06.51 | Kaelten | foxlit: ya |
| 17:07.11 | foxlit | I suspect if websites I type passwords into logged wrong attempts, they'd have most of my keychain. |
| 17:07.18 | DWSR | hehe |
| 17:07.26 | Kaelten | lol |
| 17:07.30 | Kaelten | ya.... I know what you mean |
| 17:07.32 | foxlit | [So don't do that!] |
| 17:08.12 | Kaelten | let me go check my logs.... |
| 17:08.16 | Kaelten | j/k :D |
| 17:09.31 | Kaelten | on curse and wowace both it'd be pretty much impossible to figure out your password, unless we brute forced a salted sha1 |
| 17:09.32 | nevcairiel | wow is the only thing that has a really unique password for me, everything else shares one with related things |
| 17:09.53 | DWSR | meh. |
| 17:09.59 | DWSR | I have an authenticator for Bnet. |
| 17:10.01 | foxlit | On the other hand, with an authenticator, your wow password might as well be "password" |
| 17:10.06 | nevcairiel | true |
| 17:10.09 | Kaelten | foxlit: yeah |
| 17:10.14 | nevcairiel | but its from the old days of before the authenticator |
| 17:10.17 | nevcairiel | and why change |
| 17:10.26 | DWSR | and I have a random 24 character password that always includes 1 upper, 1 lower, 1 numeric and 1 punctuation. |
| 17:10.29 | Kaelten | although the authenticator is breakable given a sampling |
| 17:10.32 | DWSR | A different one. For everything else. |
| 17:10.44 | foxlit | Kaelten: mm? |
| 17:11.02 | nevcairiel | you either need a pretty big sample, or just the authenticator id |
| 17:11.05 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 17:11.09 | foxlit | I thought those things, if properly designed, would not be breakable in sufficient time. |
| 17:11.10 | DWSR | You need a really big sample. |
| 17:11.12 | Kaelten | iirc if you get a sequence of numbers from an authenticator it's possible to reverse the id |
| 17:11.21 | DWSR | Kaelten: You need a really big sample. |
| 17:11.26 | DWSR | Like, a few years. |
| 17:11.34 | Kaelten | hrm I thought I heard that it didn't take that many |
| 17:11.36 | Kaelten | shrugs |
| 17:11.38 | Kaelten | the more the better |
| 17:11.53 | DWSR | Also, once you have the ID, you still need the other half of the key. |
| 17:12.00 | nevcairiel | i think thats one of the reasons why the mobile authenticators have longer ids |
| 17:12.05 | nevcairiel | er, long tokens |
| 17:12.09 | Kaelten | nods |
| 17:12.29 | foxlit | Wish they grouped digits on those things |
| 17:12.46 | nevcairiel | the 6 digits i could remember in one go, the 8 doesnt work anymore |
| 17:12.53 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Hehe. |
| 17:12.57 | foxlit | 12345678 causes a buffer overflow while copying into the text box |
| 17:13.02 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:13.06 | Kaelten | lol |
| 17:13.14 | DWSR | tbh, I want an authenticator token that's based on biometrics. |
| 17:13.34 | cbreak | bad idea |
| 17:13.35 | DWSR | Your fingerprint + their key + the ID of the token. |
| 17:13.43 | nevcairiel | i'm sure there are ones that only give you a key when you use your fingerprint on them |
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| 17:13.47 | cbreak | fingerprints are like password you write on everything you touch |
| 17:13.50 | Lunessa | station |
| 17:13.50 | cbreak | and you can't even change them |
| 17:14.07 | nevcairiel | you could of course get a tiny iris scanner in your token |
| 17:14.09 | Kaelten | ya and many fingerprint scanners are fairly easy to crack |
| 17:14.11 | foxlit | [Can't you?] |
| 17:14.21 | Lunessa | and if Hollywood is to be believed, they will be stolen |
| 17:14.24 | DWSR | nevcairiel: There are security tokens that use fingerprints. However they don't give you a key, they *are* the key. |
| 17:14.50 | DWSR | Lunessa: Mythbusters proved that you could lift fingerprints *and* fool some fingerprient readers. |
| 17:14.53 | nevcairiel | The company i worked for a few years back installed fingerprint scanners |
| 17:14.54 | DWSR | HOWEVER, look at it this way. |
| 17:15.08 | DWSR | Currently: You have 2 tokens for authentication. |
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| 17:15.16 | nevcairiel | until some guy licked one of those scanners for fun, and the door opened. |
| 17:15.21 | DWSR | You have the base hash that the tokens use plus the ID as a salt (or whatever). |
| 17:15.28 | nevcairiel | they went back to magnetic cards again |
| 17:15.29 | Kaelten | most if not all security systems are breakable by a suffeciantly motivated individual |
| 17:15.34 | nevcairiel | or rfid, what do i know |
| 17:15.34 | Lunessa | DWSR: what we need are DNA scanners that take blood from your living finger! |
| 17:15.35 | DWSR | If you add a biometric, you just |
| 17:15.42 | DWSR | You have another token to use. |
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| 17:16.01 | DWSR | Assuming of course that the knowledge of one token doesn't simplify finding the others, even if they life your print, so what? |
| 17:16.11 | DWSR | s/life/lift/ |
| 17:16.29 | DWSR | That means that the hacker is someone who's following you around and in your local area. |
| 17:16.51 | DWSR | Also, it's pretty difficult to lift prints without being obvious. |
| 17:16.54 | nevcairiel | he could just cut off your finger and steal your token |
| 17:17.05 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I think at that point, you have bigger problems. |
| 17:17.36 | nevcairiel | if some guy just cut your finger off, i doubt you still care for company secrets |
| 17:18.04 | foxlit | That isn't to say that nobody else cares for company secrets :) |
| 17:18.21 | foxlit | [Plus, you're better off if cutting off your finger does not work] |
| 17:18.23 | DWSR | If someone's cutting off your finger to steal your wow account, you really need to find a new hobby, imo. |
| 17:18.55 | DWSR | Biometrics can easily enhance security when combined with something like the current RSA tags. |
| 17:19.11 | DWSR | RSA tag + fingerprint hash = really hard to fucking forge unless you know the person that you're trying to hack |
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| 17:20.51 | DWSR | That combined with trying to get your goddamned password out makes the chances of being hacked practically 0. |
| 17:22.54 | DWSR | However, it remains to be seen if the authenticator enabled accounts can even be hacked in a reasonable period of time. |
| 17:23.31 | nevcairiel | with phishing sites, sure |
| 17:24.02 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Window's only a minute. |
| 17:24.06 | foxlit | It all depends on how evil you want to be |
| 17:24.22 | nevcairiel | you can probably automate the task to detach the authenticator |
| 17:24.25 | foxlit | I mean, you don't actually have to touch their authentication procedures to do some of your evil deeds |
| 17:24.25 | DWSR | foxlit: As Kaelten pointed out, a sufficiently motivated individual will break it. |
| 17:24.28 | nevcairiel | just trick them into giving you two codes |
| 17:24.36 | DWSR | nevcairiel: 2 codes isn't enough to break it. |
| 17:24.49 | DWSR | You need a *lot* more. |
| 17:24.50 | nevcairiel | i think you need 3, one for login, 2 to detatch |
| 17:24.54 | nevcairiel | no, you dont |
| 17:24.57 | foxlit | install a stealthy addon, send some hardware events its way, and mail off all of the user's gold to timbuktu |
| 17:25.01 | nevcairiel | i just detached my hw token last week |
| 17:25.19 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I meant to break the actual encryption scheme of the token. |
| 17:25.28 | nevcairiel | you dont have to break it |
| 17:25.33 | nevcairiel | you can just detatch it |
| 17:25.35 | foxlit | DWSR: I'm not buying that. |
| 17:25.37 | nevcairiel | -t |
| 17:25.43 | DWSR | foxlit: Why? |
| 17:26.28 | foxlit | DWSR: It's cryptography. You can design the tokens with the desired degree of mathematical certainty so ensure they won't be broken in their lifetime. |
| 17:27.04 | foxlit | s/so/to |
| 17:27.12 | DWSR | foxlit: Yeah...and? |
| 17:27.18 | nevcairiel | its a hash on their id and some special salt value, encrypted with some special hashing algorithm |
| 17:27.52 | DWSR | foxlit: I didn't (meant to) say it was impossible to break it with 2 codes. |
| 17:27.54 | nevcairiel | I could list you pages of sha1 hashs, and you couldn't reverse engineer the data behind it |
| 17:28.08 | DWSR | foxlit: You'll just be waiting a few hundred years. |
| 17:28.11 | nevcairiel | not in any meaningful time |
| 17:28.37 | foxlit | DWSR: And we agree that you have a maximum of (battery lifetime) years to crack it. |
| 17:29.01 | DWSR | foxlit: Yeah. |
| 17:29.09 | DWSR | anyone know how long the batteries last on auth tokens, anyway? |
| 17:29.14 | DWSR | 5 years or something? |
| 17:29.21 | foxlit | So what you're suggesting is that having a long history would allow you to do it within the limited timeframe. |
| 17:29.29 | DWSR | foxlit: Yes. |
| 17:29.38 | nevcairiel | they are probably over designed in battery life to avoid customer services trouble |
| 17:29.43 | DWSR | a sufficiently long history. |
| 17:29.45 | foxlit | And my point was that you could design the token in such a way that you won't be able to do so. |
| 17:29.48 | Arrowmaster | well weaknesses have been found in sha1 but nothing really usable in the wild, just academic |
| 17:29.59 | foxlit | Even if you had *every single token* generated by the thing. |
| 17:30.04 | Maldivia | hehe - I never noticed (or read about) that beer shot in the SC2 teaser :P |
| 17:30.07 | nevcairiel | the weaknesses are usually just collision problems |
| 17:30.33 | DWSR | foxlit: Again, I didn't specify a particular timeframe. I just said that you could do it. |
| 17:30.41 | Arrowmaster | and sha256 and higher already exist to be used by new applications |
| 17:30.48 | foxlit | DWSR: the battery imposes a particular timeframe. |
| 17:31.02 | DWSR | foxlit: Also, having a few hundred thousand of the tokens that it produces narrows down the field pretty significantly, no matter what algorithm you're using. |
| 17:31.13 | DWSR | foxlit: I dunno what hash they're using, but I doubt it's 256 bit.\ |
| 17:31.26 | DWSR | foxlit: Again, I'm not saying it's likely to happen. |
| 17:31.30 | DWSR | I'm just saying it's possible. |
| 17:31.40 | nevcairiel | The tokens are designed to protect a game, that at a maximum is going to last 5 more years? The tokens are what, 2 years old now? Its impossible to crack it in that time, period. |
| 17:31.57 | DWSR | nevcairiel: The game or the token? |
| 17:31.59 | cbreak | 6 digits with 10 possibilities per digit give you one million possible answers |
| 17:32.30 | cbreak | that's about 20 bits of entropy |
| 17:32.33 | nevcairiel | DWSR: sure you can crack the tokens after the game is long gone =P |
| 17:32.49 | foxlit | cbreak: the length of the output is not really relevant. |
| 17:32.55 | DWSR | cbreak: ^^ |
| 17:33.12 | cbreak | it is the thing you have to crack |
| 17:33.34 | nevcairiel | It just has to be long enough that the chance to accidentally guess it, is niled out |
| 17:33.46 | DWSR | cbreak: Also how'd you arrive at only a million? |
| 17:33.56 | foxlit | 10^6 |
| 17:33.59 | cbreak | 10 possibilities per digit |
| 17:34.09 | nevcairiel | 000000 - 999999 = 1 million numbers o.o |
| 17:34.10 | Maldivia | DWSR: from 0 to 999999 <-- that's 1 mill :) |
| 17:34.12 | nevcairiel | its not magic |
| 17:34.24 | DWSR | bleh, sorry. |
| 17:34.27 | DWSR | I'm not feeling well. |
| 17:34.45 | DWSR | yeah, that's right. |
| 17:35.46 | DWSR | Though, with increases in computing power, won't the time to solve decrease pretty significantly? |
| 17:35.54 | cbreak | 20 bits of entropy is about the same as a 4 digit password |
| 17:36.12 | cbreak | 4 character (26 letters, 10 numbers) |
| 17:36.20 | foxlit | cbreak: again, irrelevant. Would you like to play a game? :) |
| 17:36.32 | cbreak | it is relevant |
| 17:36.33 | DWSR | Cairenn|afk! |
| 17:36.50 | foxlit | Suppose my super awesome token can only output one of two values: 0 or 1. |
| 17:36.55 | DWSR | cbreak: It's not, really. As nevcairiel said, the output only needs to be long enough that the chance to guess it is nil. |
| 17:37.14 | foxlit | You can be no closer to predicting the next value even after observing 10, 100, or 1000 of my output bits |
| 17:37.25 | Maldivia | in the SC2 teaser movie the released long ago (was just looking at it on youtube), is it the SC2 dev team we see with the beer glasses in the hidden image in the begining, or? Anyone knows? |
| 17:37.30 | Adys | http://www.anactivesite.ch:8080/temp/PeopleofInfluencePainting.html |
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| 17:37.33 | cbreak | someone ealier said "If you use an authenticator, you can just as well use "password" as password |
| 17:37.41 | nevcairiel | DWSR: RSA is based on an algorithm that even with increasing computing power wont be solvable in any timely manner soon, unless you start producing quantum computers |
| 17:37.42 | Adys | Fun exercise, see who you can recognize |
| 17:37.43 | DWSR | cbreak: You can. |
| 17:37.46 | cbreak | but an authenticator doesn't add a lot of bits to the security |
| 17:37.52 | Adys | hover the face for a name and click it for a wikipedia link |
| 17:37.53 | cbreak | so that wouldn't be very secure |
| 17:37.57 | DWSR | cbreak: Yes it would. |
| 17:38.13 | DWSR | As someone just pointed out, trying to break an authenticator by brute force is pretty much a nil chance. |
| 17:38.26 | Kraps | when did call to arms start awarding arena points? |
| 17:38.31 | DWSR | Kraps: 3.2 |
| 17:38.33 | olafski | 3.3 I think |
| 17:38.34 | olafski | oh :) |
| 17:38.35 | Adys | 3.3, actually |
| 17:38.41 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 17:39.06 | cbreak | DWSR: unless they use expensive tamper proof hardware, Brute force is a good way to break them. |
| 17:39.17 | DWSR | cbreak: It's not. The valid code changes every minute. |
| 17:39.22 | cbreak | there have been very interesting sucesses with the MiFare hardware |
| 17:39.26 | foxlit | nevcairiel: my impression was that we don't have an efficient way to factor things, but we haven't proven that it does not exists, either. |
| 17:39.26 | DWSR | cbreak: If the code were static, it would be working better. |
| 17:39.46 | DWSR | foxlit: We don't have a good way of factoring 2 primes. |
| 17:39.50 | cbreak | did someone already validate that they are indeed time based as we suspected yesterday? |
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| 17:40.06 | Adys | cbreak: if you're bruteforcing and dont have the password, you can never, ever know whether an authenticator code fails or if it's the password |
| 17:40.13 | Adys | of course, that WOULD be the case in wow |
| 17:40.13 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 17:40.14 | cbreak | foxlit: prime factorisation is only a problem when you use RSA or similar |
| 17:40.16 | nevcairiel | foxlit: when someone comes up with a way, i'll fix my statement |
| 17:40.18 | Adys | but it's not because blizzard is stupid |
| 17:40.25 | cbreak | I bet with you that the authenticators do NOT use that |
| 17:40.29 | Adys | and leaks a different message for auth code and password on battle.net |
| 17:40.32 | cbreak | they probably use a shared secret |
| 17:40.39 | DWSR | cbreak: RSA? Actually, they probably do. |
| 17:40.53 | cbreak | I doubt it |
| 17:41.01 | DWSR | cbreak: Why? I've got an RSA tag for my ETrade account. |
| 17:41.11 | Adys | yes, blizzard uses rsa for a lot of shit |
| 17:41.16 | cbreak | I don't speak about the label on your token |
| 17:41.19 | Adys | all bnet encryption is under rsa |
| 17:41.21 | cbreak | I speak about the RSA algorithm |
| 17:41.51 | DWSR | cbreak: I would be surprised if they used shared secret. |
| 17:42.07 | cbreak | it's a cheap, simple and effective way to implement it |
| 17:42.32 | Maldivia | cbreak: http://www.vasco.com/products/digipass/digipass_go_range/digipass_go6.aspx |
| 17:42.47 | cbreak | Maldivia: how's that relevant? |
| 17:43.05 | Adys | Supported crypto algorithm: DES, 3DES and AES |
| 17:43.09 | DWSR | cbreak: It shows you the supported crypto. |
| 17:43.12 | DWSR | DES 3DES and AES. |
| 17:43.18 | Adys | btw |
| 17:43.22 | DWSR | Did the NSA break RSA, btw? |
| 17:43.38 | nevcairiel | vasco is the company building the blizzy tokens, for relevance :d |
| 17:43.39 | foxlit | breaking RSA requires prime factorization. |
| 17:43.43 | Adys | vasco authenticators and blizzard phone authenticators don't use the same algos |
| 17:43.45 | cbreak | DWSR: all symetric |
| 17:43.50 | foxlit | nevcairiel would be required to amend his prior comment if that happened. |
| 17:43.57 | Arrowmaster | RSA is more secure than DES right now |
| 17:43.58 | Adys | foxlit: or hardware access :P |
| 17:44.08 | foxlit | nevcairel has not amended the comment. Therefore, NSA has not broken RSA. |
| 17:44.08 | cbreak | RSA and DES are different things |
| 17:44.10 | DWSR | foxlit: which is why Blizzard *cant* use it. |
| 17:44.12 | foxlit | [fallacy, clealry!] |
| 17:44.16 | cbreak | DES is a symetric cypher |
| 17:44.22 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:44.28 | cbreak | RSA is an asymetric cypher |
| 17:44.30 | nevcairiel | But no, RSA is not "broken" |
| 17:44.41 | DWSR | that we know of [/tinfoil] |
| 17:44.59 | nevcairiel | use a long enough key (1024+), and it'll take a lifetime to crack on the worlds fastest super computer |
| 17:45.03 | cbreak | DES uses 56bit key length or so |
| 17:45.14 | cbreak | RSA would absolutely suck with that |
| 17:45.23 | cbreak | it requires key lengths of 1024 bits or more to work |
| 17:45.25 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: i know but they are the only two options for ssh keys, DES used to be used because of patent reasons but now DES isnt recommended at all |
| 17:45.30 | cbreak | as all asymetric cyphers |
| 17:46.19 | nevcairiel | but hey, now we know the lifetime of those tokens |
| 17:46.27 | DWSR | cbreak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3DES#Security |
| 17:46.44 | cbreak | yes? |
| 17:46.51 | DWSR | duno why I highlighted you on that. |
| 17:46.53 | DWSR | But yeah. |
| 17:46.54 | cbreak | what's your point? |
| 17:47.19 | nevcairiel | If you want to use one of those algorithms they offer, go with AES anyway |
| 17:47.40 | cbreak | so it probably does as I said |
| 17:47.42 | cbreak | not use RSA |
| 17:47.49 | cbreak | but a shared secret |
| 17:48.07 | cbreak | probably combined with a cryptographic hashing function or a symetric cypher |
| 17:48.38 | Arrowmaster | since its only one way communications it likely is a shared secret combined with hashing |
| 17:48.38 | cbreak | a simple way to implement a token would be to just take the time and the shared secret |
| 17:48.41 | cbreak | hash them |
| 17:48.56 | cbreak | and give the first bits of the result as output |
| 17:49.32 | cbreak | (I read somewhere that some tokens only use some of the digits for actual random content, and the last digit for synchronisation) |
| 17:49.45 | cbreak | so there might be less entropy than expected |
| 17:49.51 | cbreak | IF you wanted to use RSA |
| 17:49.52 | DWSR | cbreak: Or more? |
| 17:50.14 | DWSR | cbreak: bleh. |
| 17:50.22 | cbreak | DWSR: you can't put more entropy into a 6 digit code than log_2(10^6) bits |
| 17:50.26 | DWSR | nevermind, I'm going to puke. |
| 17:50.29 | DWSR | excuse me. |
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| 17:50.51 | cbreak | if you wanted to use RSA, you'd use your private key to sign the current time |
| 17:51.03 | cbreak | and send that signature to the verifying party |
| 17:51.10 | cbreak | which then checks if it was made by your private key |
| 17:51.21 | DWSR | cbreak: That would be rather easy to do |
| 17:51.22 | cbreak | but signatures are much longer than 20 bits |
| 17:51.40 | cbreak | reverse engineering a 20 bit signature is likely not very hard |
| 17:51.51 | cbreak | doesn't remember the maths anymore for that though |
| 17:52.39 | cbreak | DWSR: There's a reason no one uses Asymetric Crypto for anything besides encrypting symetric keys :) |
| 17:52.46 | cbreak | it's slow and CPU intensive |
| 17:52.53 | cbreak | not something you want in a low-cost token |
| 17:53.04 | Arrowmaster | imho that would be the proper way to do security but it would require specialized hardware |
| 17:53.15 | cbreak | like a smart card |
| 17:53.29 | cbreak | I think SSH does it like that |
| 17:53.36 | cbreak | if you use SSH keys |
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| 17:54.35 | Arrowmaster | are you sure that doesnt just pull the key off of the card? i didnt think those cards actually had chips on them capable of doing crypto work |
| 17:55.11 | cbreak | no |
| 17:55.13 | cbreak | not sure |
| 17:55.21 | cbreak | but it'd be dumb if they send the key out |
| 17:55.27 | cbreak | do you know ssh-agent? |
| 17:55.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah, i know about the feature i just dont know the details |
| 17:55.51 | cbreak | I would expect the smartcards to behave like ssh-agent, so you can use the private key for signing and decrypting |
| 17:55.59 | cbreak | but not for actually getting the key |
| 17:56.14 | durcyn | it's a similar concept, yes |
| 17:56.17 | Arrowmaster | you can use the cards with ssl too |
| 17:56.23 | cbreak | when I want to use ssh, I first load my key into the agent with ssh-add |
| 17:56.36 | cbreak | then the agent has the decrypted private key, but ssh itself does never get to see it |
| 17:56.50 | durcyn | i've got a department of defense contractor CAC card, it's just SSL certs at its core |
| 17:57.08 | cbreak | I don't know SSL very well |
| 17:57.20 | cbreak | I know it also uses asymetric signatures, so it probably works the same |
| 17:57.34 | durcyn | read up on client certificates if you want the nitty gritty |
| 17:57.47 | cbreak | SSL is a broken system anyway |
| 17:58.03 | Arrowmaster | for a proper security method you shouldnt even trust the workstation you are using |
| 17:58.07 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 17:58.49 | cbreak | you can't go very far if you don't trust it somewhat |
| 17:59.04 | cbreak | you can use smartcards or USB Dongles that act like them |
| 17:59.32 | cbreak | but unless you have a small display on your smartcard, various attacks are possible |
| 17:59.54 | Arrowmaster | well if you are carrying around a private key on a device the workstation should never see that private key, it should be physically impossible |
| 18:00.09 | cbreak | that's the idea |
| 18:00.49 | cbreak | but losing the private key isn't the only bad thing that can happen :) |
| 18:01.50 | cbreak | there are very interesting hacks for that british Pin&Chip crap |
| 18:02.21 | cbreak | basically real-time MitM |
| 18:04.06 | DWSR | mitm's such an ugly acro. |
| 18:04.16 | DWSR | bucket brigade's way better. :P |
| 18:04.20 | cbreak | PitM? |
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| 18:06.58 | DWSR | Person in the Middle? |
| 18:07.03 | DWSR | I still like Bucket Brigade. |
| 18:07.25 | cbreak | DWSR: politically correct gender neutralness |
| 18:07.34 | cbreak | after all, you don't know if the man in the middle is not a female |
| 18:07.38 | DWSR | Oh hai, bucket brigadez in ur connektinz, stolin ur infoz. |
| 18:07.53 | DWSR | cbreak: The *thing* in the middle of the connection is gender neutral and not a person. |
| 18:07.55 | DWSR | Therefore. |
| 18:07.56 | DWSR | OitM. |
| 18:08.09 | cbreak | Program in the Middle? |
| 18:08.14 | DWSR | O != P. |
| 18:08.30 | cbreak | NP = P? |
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| 18:08.53 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 18:08.53 | Lunessa | http://failbooking.com/2010/02/17/funny-facebook-fails-24-mall-edition/ |
| 18:10.11 | DWSR | lame. |
| 18:10.15 | Ackis | west ed mall is teh devil |
| 18:10.16 | Ackis | :( |
| 18:10.40 | DWSR | why? |
| 18:10.44 | DWSR | It's awesome. |
| 18:11.39 | Ackis | it's big, full of people, people who don't know how to navigate |
| 18:11.47 | Maldivia | so anyone knew who these people are: http://seriouslycasual.org/sc2hidden.jpg |
| 18:11.59 | DWSR | Dagmar |
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| 18:12.35 | DWSR | Maldivia: Nope, but I would definitely have a baby with any one of them. |
| 18:13.22 | DWSR | Just saying. |
| 18:13.29 | Kraps | anyone here a shammy healer? |
| 18:13.32 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 18:13.38 | DWSR | I'm anything you need me to be. |
| 18:13.45 | Kraps | ... |
| 18:13.49 | DWSR | hehe. |
| 18:13.58 | DWSR | ~kraps asktoask |
| 18:14.03 | DWSR | wow |
| 18:14.06 | DWSR | ~asktoask kraps |
| 18:14.07 | Kraps | fail |
| 18:14.09 | DWSR | ~fail DWSR |
| 18:14.10 | purl | DWSR: FAIL! |
| 18:14.18 | Maldivia | DWSR: that sounded like a line a prostitute would say :P |
| 18:14.35 | DWSR | Maldivia: Or an SC2 fan. |
| 18:14.36 | Ackis | he is a prostitute |
| 18:14.40 | Kraps | what Maldivia said |
| 18:14.45 | DWSR | ~lart Ackis |
| 18:14.45 | purl | stuffs Ackis into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 18:15.39 | DWSR | otoh, this just in |
| 18:15.45 | DWSR | The Crookers are fantastic. |
| 18:15.48 | DWSR | That is all. |
| 18:16.08 | Lunessa | Kraps: What do you need to know? |
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| 18:16.42 | mitchnull | what's the simplest nameplate addon around? |
| 18:16.43 | Kraps | i just wanted to know whether you use healing focus or healing way and why |
| 18:16.54 | DWSR | mitchnull: Aloft |
| 18:17.31 | mitchnull | dwsr: uhm |
| 18:17.39 | DWSR | mitchnull: Yes? |
| 18:17.43 | nevcairiel | aloft is far from simple |
| 18:17.44 | mitchnull | "... recreates my Aloft nameplates but without all the extra gunk to make it take 2MB" <- simplest? :) |
| 18:18.03 | DWSR | mitchnull: /dev/null. |
| 18:18.14 | DWSR | 2MB is really not that much. |
| 18:18.28 | nevcairiel | for one addon that just changes nameplates? its loads. |
| 18:18.37 | Lunessa | Grrr... Armory won't let me look at my off-spec? WTF? |
| 18:18.48 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Please2write a better one then. |
| 18:18.52 | cbreak | 2MB is enough for a complete DD-WRT Micro |
| 18:18.59 | amro | Lunessa: you mean you don't have it tattooed on your chest? |
| 18:19.01 | cbreak | a whole Router Linux |
| 18:19.03 | nevcairiel | DWSR: there are others |
| 18:19.14 | nevcairiel | DWSR: jsut because you're ignorant doesnt mean they dont exist |
| 18:19.16 | Lunessa | amro: This way I don't need a mirror to read it. |
| 18:19.27 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Show me one that offers the same amount of features as Aloft. |
| 18:19.35 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I have been wanting to switch for a while. |
| 18:19.36 | nevcairiel | he didnt ask for features |
| 18:19.40 | nevcairiel | he asked for a simple one |
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| 18:19.44 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I'm asking you. |
| 18:20.12 | nevcairiel | I've never used Aloft, i have no idea what exact features it has |
| 18:20.57 | DWSR | nevcairiel: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10864-AloftBeta.html <- a lot. |
| 18:21.20 | nevcairiel | I don't particularly care |
| 18:21.36 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Link me some other nameplate addons? |
| 18:21.50 | Lunessa | Kraps - I went with Healing Focus, and didn't take any points in Healing Way - my reasoning is that I'm not using Healing Wave much. At 80, I'm using Lesser healing Wave for emergencies, but mostly Earth Shield, Chain Heal and Riptide. |
| 18:21.51 | nevcairiel | He just asked for the simplest addon, and aloft is on the end of the scale |
| 18:21.54 | mitchnull | http://www.wowace.com/addons/knameplates/ |
| 18:22.45 | DWSR | mitchnull: You can try http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6852-NameplatesModifier.html |
| 18:22.52 | DWSR | Shadowed's addons are high quality. |
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| 18:24.06 | DWSR | ~Shadowed++ |
| 18:24.48 | mitchnull | actually, I'd like to convince one of the authors to include range display in it (I got a request for this for my RangeDisplay addon, but I think it doesn't belong there) |
| 18:25.25 | Lunessa | There's all sorts of meaning in "simplest" there - what do you mean when you ask for simplest? |
| 18:26.05 | nevcairiel | something that doesnt ship the kitchen sink is always a good start ;) |
| 18:26.20 | mitchnull | lunessa: code-wise (say, LoC :) |
| 18:26.34 | mitchnull | (the original question was meant to find a starting point for creating my own) |
| 18:26.54 | mitchnull | but in the meantime I thought it would be better to dump the task to someone else :) |
| 18:27.08 | DWSR | mitchnull: Bug shadowed. |
| 18:27.15 | Lunessa | Got it. the one DWSR linked is a good place to start then. |
| 18:29.24 | DWSR | http://is.gd/8JQLF <-- Win. |
| 18:33.22 | DWSR | Mitchnull: Are you factoring in the fact that Aloft embeds Ace2 when you're talking memory usage? |
| 18:35.55 | olafski | can the combat text that blizzard uses be called upon by addons? or would I have to use something like sct for that |
| 18:36.08 | DWSR | olafski: Called upon in what way? |
| 18:36.17 | olafski | I'd like to have some of my own text displayed there |
| 18:36.48 | DWSR | No idea, I think you can though |
| 18:36.58 | cog|work | WHY CAN'T PEOPLE FUCKING READ???!?!?!?!?! </rant> |
| 18:37.06 | olafski | maybe I should make it a config option or something.. so users can choose where to display it |
| 18:37.09 | Ackis | cog|work: because you write in all caps? |
| 18:37.59 | DWSR | I'm blinded. |
| 18:38.10 | cog|work | 's work here is done |
| 18:38.11 | Lunessa | cog|work: Reading is not fun for mentals. |
| 18:38.19 | DWSR | olafski: After a quick search through WoWP, it appears that you cannot. |
| 18:38.37 | olafski | dwsr: alright, I'll just try to add support for sct/msbt/parrot then :) |
| 18:38.39 | mitchnull | dwsr: I took that quote from somewhere, I personally never used any nameplate addon |
| 18:38.48 | olafski | and without any of those addons I'll make it display in the center of the screen or chat |
| 18:38.51 | cog|work | olafski: it depends which combat text you're talking about |
| 18:38.57 | cog|work | the "floating combat text" probably |
| 18:39.00 | DWSR | cog|work: FCT. The blizzard default one. |
| 18:39.16 | cog|work | the Xp gains, damage against your target, and such which actually float above the heads of things in the 3d world, not so much |
| 18:39.37 | DWSR | cog|work: There's nothing in the API docs on WoWP. |
| 18:39.40 | olafski | cog|work: doesn't need to be above any heads.. just in the same section where incoming damage is displayed would be fine |
| 18:39.51 | cog|work | DWSR: why would there be? the system's in Lua |
| 18:40.20 | cog|work | APIs are for the C++/Lua interface. You should just be able to look at their combat text code and figure out which functions to call |
| 18:40.30 | Flowy | what is better for pc: make table with 16 values or calculate "( teamDef*math.log10(10)+400*math.log10(-1+1/ (1-(teamChange/AMax)) ) ) / math.log10(10)" ? |
| 18:40.52 | olafski | oO |
| 18:41.01 | olafski | lua> math.log10(10) |
| 18:41.03 | lua_bot | olafski: 1 |
| 18:41.09 | cog|work | olafski: yeah noticed that too |
| 18:41.11 | olafski | I'd start by replacing those with 1 :P |
| 18:41.22 | cog|work | or replace it with nothing |
| 18:41.26 | cog|work | since it's a factor/divisor |
| 18:41.27 | olafski | yeah ;) |
| 18:41.38 | olafski | obfuscation! |
| 18:41.43 | DWSR | muchly. |
| 18:42.20 | Flowy | ok and what is better for pc? |
| 18:42.27 | cog|work | political correctness? |
| 18:42.47 | cog|work | purple croutons? |
| 18:43.04 | LebQzz | anyone heard any blizzard rumors about the new loot lags? |
| 18:43.25 | nevcairiel | i blame the world events, especially the love tokens |
| 18:43.31 | LebQzz | love tokens? |
| 18:43.32 | nevcairiel | putting alot of load on the item servers |
| 18:43.45 | LebQzz | you mean the charms |
| 18:43.47 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Wouldn't you just have a counter for them though? |
| 18:44.05 | nevcairiel | counter? they get looted from all kind of silly mobs constantly |
| 18:44.07 | LebQzz | takes about 10 mins to zone into WC lol |
| 18:44.15 | LebQzz | they get created on kill |
| 18:44.25 | nevcairiel | yeah, but still get added to yoru inventory |
| 18:44.29 | nevcairiel | which is what lags |
| 18:44.29 | LebQzz | ye |
| 18:44.31 | olafski | would that really matter so much nevcairiel? |
| 18:44.43 | olafski | I mean every mob usually drops loot.. now _some_ of them drop one extra item |
| 18:44.51 | LebQzz | cant be only that.. this is the second time today... this morning when the server is almost empty lagged like hell aslwell ;P |
| 18:44.59 | DWSR | olafski: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/AddOns/Blizzard_CombatText/Blizzard_CombatText.lua |
| 18:45.00 | LebQzz | hey dont drop |
| 18:45.09 | olafski | same thing lebqzz :P |
| 18:45.25 | LebQzz | they spawn on kill ;P you get them like emblems ;P |
| 18:45.38 | nevcairiel | It just started to be really bad when the world events started |
| 18:45.40 | DWSR | olafski: CombatText_AddMessage |
| 18:47.22 | olafski | oh very nice dwsr, thanks :) |
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| 18:47.36 | AbsolutRayne | Who here uses SexyCooldown? |
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| 18:47.42 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: me! |
| 18:47.44 | DWSR | It's wi |
| 18:47.45 | DWSR | win* |
| 18:47.55 | DWSR | This just in, Herve is also win. That is all. |
| 18:48.00 | cog|work | Flowy: in case you didn't notic, that was my subtle way of asking you to clarify your question |
| 18:48.07 | AbsolutRayne | AbsolutRayne: You can adjust its size down to the Decimal, correct? |
| 18:48.09 | cog|work | is having deja vu |
| 18:48.14 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Yes. |
| 18:48.25 | DWSR | Nice selflight btw. :P |
| 18:48.28 | Flowy | cog|work I mean for cpu/ram ... what is faster |
| 18:48.30 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: Neato. Mine was letting me, now its not. |
| 18:48.32 | DWSR | Which is similar but different than a fleshlight. |
| 18:49.02 | AbsolutRayne | And I cant figure out whyyyyy |
| 18:49.13 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Did you try typing in a decimal? |
| 18:49.22 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: It just rounds it up |
| 18:49.23 | DWSR | Or adjusting it using the mouse to the decimal? |
| 18:49.26 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Hrm. |
| 18:49.30 | cog|work | Flowy: cache table vs calculation performance should be measured, if it's something that concerns you |
| 18:49.34 | Flowy | cog|work use of table with 16 calculated values or calculate value each time |
| 18:49.49 | cog|work | you really shouldn't worry about it, though, unless it's already proving to be a performance bottleneck |
| 18:49.59 | nevcairiel | its the old game of cpu vs memory |
| 18:50.04 | Flowy | "bottleneck"? |
| 18:50.04 | DWSR | mhm. |
| 18:50.10 | DWSR | Flowy: What's your native language? |
| 18:50.17 | Flowy | slovak |
| 18:50.17 | nevcairiel | although in this game it seems trivially unimportant |
| 18:50.34 | cog|work | Flowy: unless you know this place in your code is causing performance problems, there's really no need to worry about it |
| 18:50.45 | AbsolutRayne | Raaaaage. This makes no sense |
| 18:50.45 | cog|work | (it being the decision between cache vs calculate) |
| 18:50.48 | DWSR | Flowy: Congrats on beating Russia. :) |
| 18:50.48 | olafski | you should still get rid of that weird calculation though :) |
| 18:50.57 | cog|work | ^ |
| 18:50.58 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: fail less? |
| 18:51.05 | Flowy | DWSR thanks :D |
| 18:51.05 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: If only. |
| 18:51.11 | DWSR | ~fail |
| 18:51.12 | purl | from memory, fail is YOU FAIL. |
| 18:51.31 | olafski | dwsr: I can call this CombatText_AddMessage method ingame with /script, but not in my own addon.. must be doing something wrong, but what? :$ |
| 18:51.48 | AbsolutRayne | Its like |
| 18:51.53 | AbsolutRayne | JUST off from the rest of my UI |
| 18:51.53 | olafski | hm maybe I got it, nm ;P |
| 18:51.54 | AbsolutRayne | >< |
| 18:51.55 | cog|work | olafski: make your addon depend on Blizzard_CombatText |
| 18:51.59 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:52.17 | cog|work | or load it yourself manually before you need to use it |
| 18:52.29 | olafski | I just had some spurious statement in there that shouldn't have been there :$ |
| 18:53.07 | DWSR | olafski: You should check to see which message sink is loaded before you start throwing events at it. |
| 18:53.17 | DWSR | olafski: Also, support for SCT/MSBT would be boss, since those are really common. |
| 18:53.27 | Kraps | fail on toravon #1 |
| 18:53.40 | DWSR | ~fail Kraps |
| 18:53.41 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Kraps. I hate you because you fail. |
| 18:53.58 | Flowy | addon control panel tell me that my addon use 99KiB ... its just little addon with minimum functions ... is it high number? |
| 18:54.05 | DWSR | Flowy: No. |
| 18:54.06 | Kraps | hey i'm just melee dps |
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| 18:54.36 | DWSR | Flowy: 99KiB is really not that high. Of course, high is all relative. |
| 18:54.46 | olafski | works beautifully dwsr.. now to add options and see if I can turn this into something usable ;) |
| 18:54.59 | DWSR | np. :) |
| 18:55.04 | DWSR | What are you writing? |
| 18:55.26 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_021910_115310.jpg |
| 18:55.38 | olafski | dwsr: an addon that shows the total damage done by each tick of an aoe, and the total of the entire spell |
| 18:55.43 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Fail. 1's lined up and the other isn't. |
| 18:55.50 | DWSR | olafski: MSBT does that. |
| 18:55.54 | olafski | yeah, I know |
| 18:55.57 | olafski | didn't like MSBT :) |
| 18:56.00 | DWSR | lol |
| 18:56.05 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: Ill stab you. :( |
| 18:56.05 | DWSR | How not? |
| 18:56.09 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: hehe |
| 18:56.16 | olafski | dwsr: just scratching an itch.. I want to decide whether I should use blood boil or death strike |
| 18:56.27 | olafski | dwsr: I just couldn't get used to not having damage displayed over the target's head |
| 18:56.27 | DWSR | olafski: Blood Boil when there's 2 or more. |
| 18:56.28 | DWSR | iirc. |
| 18:56.35 | olafski | no, more like BB when there's 4-5 or more |
| 18:56.42 | DWSR | olafski: I play Frost. :P |
| 18:56.43 | olafski | since DS does a lot more damage per hit than BB |
| 18:56.49 | olafski | wait.. I didn't mean death strike |
| 18:56.52 | AbsolutRayne | I just dont get why its not letting me now |
| 18:56.53 | olafski | heart strike? |
| 18:56.55 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 18:57.03 | olafski | the one that hits two targets anyway |
| 18:57.03 | AbsolutRayne | Maybe if I totally reload the game... |
| 18:57.04 | DWSR | I knew what you meant, but decided to troll you anyway. |
| 18:57.18 | DWSR | olafski: iirc, more than 3 for BB. |
| 18:57.27 | olafski | the EJ thread on blood dps said 5 I think |
| 18:57.35 | olafski | but they also said "use an addon that shows the total aoe damage to verify this" |
| 18:57.39 | DWSR | olafski: I don't play blood. Too boring. I'd roll a warrior. |
| 18:57.56 | olafski | I like blood :( but then I always tank so it hardly matters, I tank in frost spec |
| 18:57.59 | DWSR | Frost 2H tank and UH DPS. |
| 18:58.06 | AbsolutRayne | Nope |
| 18:58.08 | DWSR | I'm just leveling atm. |
| 18:58.23 | DWSR | When I get the chance I'll pick up DW frost. |
| 18:58.28 | DWSR | When I get 2 decent 1 handers. |
| 18:58.34 | olafski | frost 2h tank and blood 2h dps.. I never dps though, so much faster to get a group as a tank |
| 18:58.46 | olafski | a guildie of mine is a blood dw tank :/ |
| 18:59.25 | DWSR | blood dw? |
| 18:59.26 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 18:59.40 | DWSR | armory link plox. |
| 19:00.42 | olafski | hm. |
| 19:01.03 | olafski | strange, armory now shows him with a 2hander |
| 19:01.10 | olafski | I swear he was tanking with two weapons last night |
| 19:01.20 | olafski | oh right he bought the battered hilt last night.. guess we can't see it anymore :P |
| 19:01.34 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Australia/ |
| 19:02.20 | DWSR | olafski: I don't know how his threat would work. |
| 19:02.25 | DWSR | olafski: Since he doesn't have Threat of Thassarian. |
| 19:02.38 | mikma | hehe, this is awesome too http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Narwhals/ |
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| 19:02.44 | olafski | dwsr: yeah that's why I found it a strange thing to do |
| 19:03.15 | olafski | maybe he just forgot to switch spec or something.. his offspec is frost with threat of thassarian |
| 19:06.20 | DWSR | probably yeah. |
| 19:08.09 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
| 19:09.16 | olafski | he just explained to me he had no good 2h weapon |
| 19:09.31 | DWSR | fail. |
| 19:09.42 | DWSR | even a bad 2h weapon would be better than dw. |
| 19:09.49 | DWSR | Since a lot of attacks in Blood are based on weapon damage. |
| 19:10.14 | olafski | yeah |
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| 19:14.02 | LebQzz | lol boostng my nubs in WC. and whoot last murlocwont spawn |
| 19:14.30 | DWSR | hehe |
| 19:14.42 | LebQzz | thet ritualguy is taking mighty long lol |
| 19:16.52 | LebQzz | everything but the loot and the zoning works lol and that spawn |
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| 19:18.36 | LebQzz | didnt notice that VLC added a new mode to watch videos ;P |
| 19:18.41 | LebQzz | CTRL+H |
| 19:18.59 | AlicanC | how can I remove focus from an edit box? |
| 19:19.18 | AlicanC | so player can use skills with 1-2-3 again instead of typing in the box |
| 19:19.26 | DWSR | LebQzz: Been in there for a long time. |
| 19:19.29 | DWSR | AlicanC: The escape key. |
| 19:19.39 | AlicanC | in Lua? |
| 19:20.05 | DWSR | AlicanC: Oh. |
| 19:20.07 | DWSR | ~wowprogramming |
| 19:20.08 | purl | rumour has it, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 19:21.08 | olafski | dagnabbit when I made my previous addon I had a page that showed all the options I could give to AceConfig.. can't find it now, it's on the wiki right? |
| 19:21.34 | DWSR | yes |
| 19:21.48 | DWSR | It's wherever you need it to be. |
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| 19:22.08 | olafski | I need it on my screen.. it's not there :( |
| 19:22.18 | olafski | thought I bookmarked it but I can't find it there either |
| 19:24.08 | olafski | ah found it.. http://old.wowace.com/wiki/AceConfig3 |
| 19:24.34 | nevcairiel | eh, we moved that docs to the new page a long time ago |
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| 19:26.45 | olafski | well I couldn't find it there :$ |
| 19:27.19 | AlicanC | how do I switch tab of a frame? |
| 19:27.26 | AlicanC | couldnt find anything like SetTab |
| 19:27.53 | AlicanC | DWSR, ty for the link btw. http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets is great :) |
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| 19:29.47 | Cide | hi |
| 19:29.54 | AlicanC | hi |
| 19:30.17 | Adys | hi |
| 19:30.35 | olafski | dwsr: actually, supporting msbt doesn't make that much sense I guess.. :) |
| 19:30.45 | DWSR | Nope. :P |
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| 19:32.25 | Kraps | 3 fails on toravon |
| 19:33.08 | AlicanC | too bad that dps has to click 2 buttons instead of 1 in toravon |
| 19:33.14 | AlicanC | its hard for them |
| 19:33.29 | Kraps | what do you mean? |
| 19:33.34 | DWSR | ~fail Kraps |
| 19:33.34 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Kraps. I hate you because you fail. |
| 19:33.38 | DWSR | That's what he means. |
| 19:33.48 | Kraps | DOOD STFU |
| 19:33.58 | DWSR | Dood NO WAI |
| 19:38.48 | AlicanC | MailFrameTab_OnClick(MailFrame, 2); |
| 19:38.57 | AlicanC | lol that switchs the tab perfectly |
| 19:39.05 | AlicanC | *es |
| 19:39.21 | AlicanC | but somehow it doesnt feel right |
| 19:40.09 | AlicanC | lol it shows the tab even when I'm not near the mailbox |
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| 19:41.36 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: new version of Quartz! Should I love you to pieces? |
| 19:42.07 | nevcairiel | I prefer to stay in one piece |
| 19:42.21 | DWSR | Lunessa: You should definitely love him to piece after you bug Gnarfoz about the fact that it really is simple to set up. :) |
| 19:42.24 | DWSR | Just saying. |
| 19:42.30 | Lunessa | I'll be downloading it later to give it a go. :) |
| 19:42.47 | nevcairiel | It'll destroy your old settings |
| 19:42.51 | nevcairiel | as a warning |
| 19:42.55 | AlicanC | lol |
| 19:42.57 | Lunessa | I'm using ACB right now. |
| 19:43.00 | nevcairiel | ah, ok |
| 19:43.03 | Lunessa | No settings to destroy. |
| 19:43.20 | nevcairiel | Unless you're OCD, there isnt much to setup anyway |
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| 19:43.46 | DWSR | Is there a way to set the texture of all addons that support SharedMedia? |
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| 19:43.59 | DWSR | s/texture of/bar texture for/ |
| 19:44.06 | nevcairiel | You can set a global texture through LSM |
| 19:44.18 | nevcairiel | there is some addon somewhere to do that |
| 19:44.26 | nevcairiel | no idea what its name was |
| 19:44.31 | DWSR | I should really start doing that. |
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| 19:48.33 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Show Shield Icon feature = win. Thanks for implementing it. |
| 19:49.28 | nevcairiel | i'm not really happy with that though |
| 19:49.43 | Lunessa | No? Why's that? |
| 19:49.49 | nevcairiel | that tiny shield around the icon isnt really that obvious |
| 19:49.53 | nevcairiel | not like i hoped |
| 19:49.58 | Lunessa | Ah. |
| 19:50.19 | nevcairiel | it looks better on the default ui, because the target castbar is relatively small |
| 19:51.01 | Lunessa | well, ACB doesn't properly display uninterruptible spells at all, so I'll be happier I think with Quartz 3 anyway. |
| 19:55.33 | olafski | is there a default way to include a spell icon in a text message? |
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| 19:59.30 | mitchnull | oh, there's no unit for nameplates, right? |
| 20:00.59 | Shirik | ACB? |
| 20:01.00 | cog|work | is horrified at how willy-nilly some people will throw around their CC #s in e-mail... |
| 20:01.15 | Shirik | sees "ACB" and thinks "Account Creation Blocked" :( |
| 20:01.57 | Shirik | cog|work: I want to do an experiment to see how much sensitive traffic (like SSNs, CCs, etc.) are thrown around unencrypted on the internet |
| 20:02.08 | Shirik | unfortunately I don't have an easily-accessible backbone from which to sniff |
| 20:05.32 | olafski | I just tried "/print "5|T"..GetSpellTexture("Claw").."14:14:2:0|t"" but that didn't print what I wanted.. :< |
| 20:07.15 | Shirik | National Enquirer accepted into Pulitzer competition http://www.cbc.ca/arts/media/story/2010/02/19/enquirer-pulitzer-eligible.html |
| 20:09.02 | AlicanC | how can I do "continue" like in PHP's for loops in Lua? |
| 20:10.17 | Cide | ... do -- code -- continue = true; if ( not continue ) then -- rest of code -- end end |
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| 20:10.52 | AlicanC | something is happening to my eyes |
| 20:11.07 | AlicanC | i think i feel a burn |
| 20:12.40 | AlicanC | i hate Lua but i guess its still better than JASS lol |
| 20:12.50 | olafski | it's not that bad :P |
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| 20:13.10 | AlicanC | do you know what do they use in starcraft 2 scripting? |
| 20:13.21 | Thunder_Child | now this is a nifty deal http://www.theindiebundle.com/ |
| 20:13.35 | foxlit | # There minutes and some change, that's all we could arrange // When this song is over, you will die. |
| 20:14.49 | Cide | a new language based on c/c++, I believe, AlicanC |
| 20:14.57 | Cide | not JASS, however |
| 20:15.05 | Cide | maybe a much improved variant of it, not sure |
| 20:15.41 | AlicanC | hmm |
| 20:15.47 | AlicanC | i thought they would use Lua |
| 20:16.00 | Cide | nope |
| 20:16.02 | nicoli_s | its .galaxy |
| 20:16.04 | nicoli_s | its similar to c |
| 20:16.32 | foxlit | I can has buffer overflow in sc2 map? |
| 20:17.39 | foxlit | *overrun |
| 20:19.47 | nicoli_s | its not compiled i dont think, it really looks like jass with just c syntax |
| 20:19.55 | nevcairiel | they should've gone with Lua |
| 20:20.00 | nicoli_s | and no error handling in so far, if it errors the game just doesnt place any units |
| 20:27.54 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btn55_Lf5vI |
| 20:30.56 | Ackis | http://blackenedbeast.deviantart.com/art/HUGS-Scratchboard-154700278 |
| 20:31.11 | Ackis | picture of a couple of pussies rubbing together |
| 20:31.15 | Ackis | (SFW) |
| 20:31.15 | Ackis | :P |
| 20:32.21 | nicoli_s | damnit ackis, i wanted to see some poonanny! |
| 20:32.30 | Fisker | damnit nicoli_s |
| 20:32.37 | Ackis | Chantelle did that art nichdu |
| 20:32.39 | Ackis | asdfkdsjf |
| 20:32.42 | Ackis | nicoli_s: |
| 20:32.43 | Gryphon | http://girlseatingpussy.tumblr.com/ |
| 20:33.12 | foxlit | I'm sure there are some animal protection laws that are being violated there |
| 20:33.56 | Ackis | the one that scares me is the girl with her mouth of the back end of a cat :| |
| 20:34.03 | Gryphon | ya |
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| 20:35.11 | Ackis | that art I links started out as a black piece of "paper" and she scratched away the lines/etc in it... amazing detail, looks trippy |
| 20:38.16 | AlicanC | how can I check if a bag is not a special bag? |
| 20:40.44 | zenzelezz | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemFamily probably |
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| 20:41.28 | AlicanC | yeah I found that but print(GetItemFamily(0)) and print(GetItemFamily(1)), i cant see anything |
| 20:41.43 | zenzelezz | because you're using it wrong |
| 20:41.46 | zenzelezz | read what the page says |
| 20:42.45 | AlicanC | I tried to pass the item ID of the bag but dunno how to get it |
| 20:43.43 | AlicanC | tried GetInventoryItemID(ContainerIDToInventoryID(0)) and nothing |
| 20:44.04 | zenzelezz | did you try GetBagName()? |
| 20:44.36 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/100219.html |
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| 20:44.42 | AlicanC | yeha but it gives a name, not an ID |
| 20:44.49 | AlicanC | ow |
| 20:45.01 | AlicanC | GetItemFamily works with names? :P |
| 20:45.02 | zenzelezz | and as the page I linked said, the function can take a name |
| 20:45.06 | zenzelezz | *read* the pages |
| 20:45.08 | zenzelezz | don't pretend |
| 20:45.15 | truedego | Does anyone have a minute to help me some. I cant seem to get this working right, and I have NO idea why. It wont pass to AutoAkull_single or _multi from the handler. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133213 |
| 20:45.40 | AlicanC | zenzelezz, maybe I read it and missed that part? |
| 20:46.37 | zenzelezz | then you didn't read it well enough |
| 20:46.46 | zenzelezz | how to call the function is the first crucial step |
| 20:47.31 | AlicanC | i just missed it stop bashing me lolz |
| 20:47.47 | zenzelezz | truedego: where does AS_Onload get called from? |
| 20:47.49 | cog|work | cries for humanity |
| 20:48.12 | Thunder_Child | dont bother cog|work, it's to late |
| 20:49.15 | LebQzz | atm i have all my mod in 1 lua script and if something goes wrong it stops there. but if i take the working parts and drop in its own lua's. will they always go though? |
| 20:49.32 | LebQzz | or will it halt at the place according to loading order |
| 20:49.48 | zenzelezz | are you talking about syntax errors? |
| 20:50.06 | LebQzz | syntax errors = spelling errors? ;P |
| 20:51.23 | truedego | zenzelezz: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133214 |
| 20:51.50 | durcyn | ackis, this is for you. http://www.overcompensating.com/posts/20100219.html |
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| 20:52.26 | zenzelezz | truedego: well, are you sure that it's entering your AutoSkull_Handler? |
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| 20:52.51 | Ackis | i don't get it durcyn |
| 20:53.19 | truedego | zenzelezz: thats the problem, i put the code in inside the handler and its not hitting either of the if requirements |
| 20:53.32 | durcyn | Ackis: basicallly, kill yourself |
| 20:53.37 | truedego | i dont see either of the messages |
| 20:53.50 | zenzelezz | truedego: that's not what I asked. Are you sure your AutoSkull_Handler is being called at all? |
| 20:53.58 | Ackis | durcyn: can you show me how please |
| 20:54.00 | truedego | no |
| 20:54.26 | zenzelezz | then add a DEFAULT_CHAT... inside your handler, above the ifs |
| 20:54.36 | truedego | one sec |
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| 20:57.14 | truedego | its saying in the addon list that its Incompatible |
| 20:57.17 | Kraps | this looks retarded and hilarious at the same time http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/catsanddogstherevengeofkittygalore3d/ |
| 20:57.37 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 20:58.13 | truedego | yea |
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| 21:01.42 | Kraps | nic cage in another supernatural movie O_o |
| 21:04.00 | DWSR | http://kotaku.com/5474209/assassins-creed-ii-pcs-drm-sounds-as-pleasant-as-a-stab-in-the-neck <-- Really? |
| 21:04.48 | DWSR | Always on internet connection? |
| 21:04.55 | DWSR | rofl, crachers are going to have a field day. |
| 21:04.59 | DWSR | s/crachers/crackers/ |
| 21:05.28 | Lunessa | And people wonder why I skip playing so many new games. I don't need to deal with that shit. |
| 21:05.36 | DWSR | Lunessa: Meh, give it a week. |
| 21:05.42 | DWSR | Someone from the scene will have broken it. |
| 21:05.44 | Fisker | i won't even pirate their games |
| 21:05.49 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 21:05.56 | DWSR | Even if I did buy it, I would *still* crack it. |
| 21:05.59 | Lunessa | It's ok, I'm not into Assassin's Creepy Lame Fighting anyway |
| 21:05.59 | DWSR | Just so I can play it offline. |
| 21:06.14 | cbreak | funny... |
| 21:06.16 | Fisker | I was looking forward to Splinter Cell Conviction, but it's probably fucked up for consoles |
| 21:06.26 | cbreak | my tank can't enter ICC since the instance portal is gone |
| 21:06.33 | cbreak | along with all mobs in the zone |
| 21:06.41 | Kraps | penny arcade has this to say http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/2/19/cyclical-argument-literal-strawman/ |
| 21:07.13 | Lunessa | I play games like Civ IV (and all the other releases of Civ) but very few other games have been as interesting or compelling to me. |
| 21:08.01 | amro | cbreak: that means you've disconnected |
| 21:08.10 | cbreak | he's chatting with us |
| 21:08.11 | Fisker | oh lord Kraps |
| 21:08.26 | Fisker | that might just be the very best argument ever |
| 21:08.42 | truedego | ahhh how was it actually loading last night and telling me its incompatiable now |
| 21:08.59 | zenzelezz | did you change anything in the .toc? |
| 21:09.18 | DWSR | Kraps: Hehe. |
| 21:09.30 | truedego | didnt think so |
| 21:09.30 | DWSR | Kraps: I think the whole thing is just insane. |
| 21:09.34 | cbreak | .toc gets read on App start |
| 21:09.40 | cbreak | not on relogging |
| 21:09.42 | DWSR | Also, piracy in general has a *positive* impact on the market. |
| 21:09.52 | DWSR | Record CD and game sales over the past 5 years. |
| 21:09.58 | Adys | your mom has a positive impact on the market |
| 21:09.59 | cbreak | DWSR: on the somalian market. |
| 21:10.07 | Dagmar | I'm just not going to touch anything with DRM like that. |
| 21:10.07 | *** part/#wowuidev mitchnull (~mitchnull@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 21:10.12 | DWSR | Dagmar: DID YOU FINISH? |
| 21:10.17 | DWSR | Adys: Yeah, and? |
| 21:10.25 | Adys | Im just saying |
| 21:10.29 | Dagmar | Nope. I got four CDs in I needed to rip, verify, and tag |
| 21:10.43 | DWSR | Dagmar: May I suggest Picard? |
| 21:10.57 | Dagmar | I'm actually using a Win32 program called mp3tag |
| 21:11.06 | Dagmar | I've used Picard before. |
| 21:11.08 | DWSR | it's alright. |
| 21:11.11 | Dagmar | Their data is actually not complete enough for me. |
| 21:11.14 | DWSR | Tag&Rename is better. |
| 21:11.23 | DWSR | What media player are you using? |
| 21:11.28 | Dagmar | Whatever's handy |
| 21:11.29 | truedego | whoooo got past the compatible bit |
| 21:11.31 | DWSR | and there's only 1 right answer to this question, so choose wisely. |
| 21:11.34 | durcyn | MusicBrainz has gotten much better the past year or two |
| 21:11.37 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 21:11.49 | Dagmar | The "big" deal is that I've got a MySQL database that all these tags go into |
| 21:11.57 | DWSR | MySQL database? wtf? |
| 21:12.02 | DWSR | sqlite, mkay? |
| 21:12.09 | Dagmar | I'm tying into MythMusic |
| 21:12.12 | Ackis | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/17/2010/02/pirate-vs-pay.png lol |
| 21:12.36 | DWSR | !g MythMusic |
| 21:12.36 | batbot | DWSR: MythMusic - MythTV <http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythMusic> |
| 21:12.38 | Dagmar | I'm gonna see if wizard-ish generated playlists make it's crashing tolerable |
| 21:12.48 | Dagmar | If not, I'll just rewrite the damn thing |
| 21:12.51 | truedego | zenzelezz: its not passing to the handler |
| 21:13.03 | truedego | im getting no message |
| 21:13.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: Err... |
| 21:13.39 | DWSR | Foobar2k, mkay? |
| 21:14.09 | Dagmar | DWSR: The massive stinkeroo in MythMusic is that you're stuck with basically the interface of a TV remote control |
| 21:14.28 | Dagmar | I *think* I can possibly improve upon that |
| 21:14.59 | zenzelezz | truedego: is your frame visible? |
| 21:15.39 | DWSR | Dagmar: I somehow went from BT to Thunderstruck in that mix. |
| 21:15.48 | truedego | i was wondering about that, in the top of the XML, i dont think its correct, but i cant find a compatable refrence from what ive written |
| 21:15.49 | DWSR | Dagmar: I don't even know how the fuck it happened. |
| 21:16.01 | DWSR | It was like "oh hai" |
| 21:16.06 | Dagmar | You're talking to a guy that used to pick records at random just to find weird combinations |
| 21:16.08 | DWSR | Then it offered me a cheezburger. |
| 21:16.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: Hey, whatever works. |
| 21:16.23 | DWSR | The cheezburger was tasty. |
| 21:16.32 | DWSR | It had ABC though |
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| 21:16.51 | zenzelezz | truedego: check FrameXML.log to see if your XML is being accepted; if it is then make sure your frame is visible |
| 21:17.07 | truedego | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/133215 this is the top of my xml |
| 21:17.23 | zenzelezz | just do what I suggested first :-p |
| 21:17.47 | zenzelezz | I'm pretty sure you'll see a message saying your XML was not valid |
| 21:19.39 | truedego | is that in the WTF folder? |
| 21:20.02 | truedego | nm |
| 21:20.38 | truedego | Unknown frame type: Scripts |
| 21:21.15 | zenzelezz | basically, yes, your XML is invalid |
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| 21:21.25 | truedego | sigh |
| 21:21.51 | zenzelezz | go look at some very basic XML examples and you'll see they have a <Frame> after the <Ui> tag |
| 21:21.56 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: han rolos? :| |
| 21:22.18 | truedego | im going to get this working gosh dangit |
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| 21:29.05 | truedego | zenzelezz: hahaha, i got it to pass to the handler, but now its not going into the single and mult functions |
| 21:29.38 | zenzelezz | that just means your conditionals (the ifs) are wrong somehow |
| 21:29.45 | truedego | w00t |
| 21:29.48 | truedego | ty man |
| 21:29.55 | truedego | i should be able to work this part out |
| 21:38.20 | Ackis | Apparently I have some Heroes of Newarth beta codes/invites. Anyone after one? |
| 21:42.29 | Cide | everyone does |
| 21:42.35 | truedego | zenzelezz: ty man, i got it working properly, ty for your help |
| 21:42.51 | Cide | hit me up with some sc2 ones instead |
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| 21:45.24 | Fisker | hey sexy Antiarc |
| 21:45.48 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker, win any games lately? |
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| 21:52.28 | Gnarfoz | hey TC, got any beta invites to share lately? :\ |
| 21:53.08 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz: no, not expecting to get more than one tbh. |
| 21:53.45 | Gnarfoz | someone suggest an awesomely rare piece of hardware that will make my bnet profile so unique that Blizzard can't resist sending me a sc2 beta invite :O |
| 21:53.59 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:54.09 | Shirik | get a physics card :) |
| 21:54.13 | Thunder_Child | if it's that rare i doubt they would care enough to support it |
| 21:54.19 | Shirik | I don't think SC2 uses them, but it would look good |
| 21:54.24 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: i signed up the first day it was available, that might have something to do with it |
| 21:54.29 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: all nvidia cards are physics cards ;\ |
| 21:54.37 | durcyn | or maybe they really liked my i7 940, who knows |
| 21:54.45 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: the first day signing up for betas was available, you mean? |
| 21:54.51 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: yes |
| 21:54.58 | Gnarfoz | well, I did that, too =( |
| 21:55.03 | zenzelezz | Gnarfoz: get an old Savage 4 videocard |
| 21:55.08 | zenzelezz | that'd make you unique |
| 21:55.23 | Gnarfoz | *goes to look in the drawers under the bed* |
| 21:56.07 | Gnarfoz | yes, a socket 1156 core iN system + some old nvidia tnt2 card will look unique! |
| 21:56.31 | Gagorian | I think I have a Riva TNT somewhere tucked away |
| 21:56.37 | Shirik | I love regexes: /(?:\s|^)\/b\/(?:\s|$)/ |
| 21:56.39 | Gnarfoz | (too bad I don't have an agp slot. and the socket 1156 system is just a spreadsheet for now. wtb money. :P) |
| 21:58.04 | Adys | whats so unique about 1156? |
| 21:59.01 | Gnarfoz | nothing, but newest (intel) socket + antique gfx card. |
| 21:59.26 | Gnarfoz | could try adding my 8800GTX to my old pentium3 500 system. |
| 21:59.38 | Gnarfoz | gets the welding goggles |
| 22:01.15 | Thunder_Child | thyeh vae external vif cards |
| 22:01.22 | Thunder_Child | ....wtf TC |
| 22:01.31 | zenzelezz | blinks |
| 22:01.34 | Thunder_Child | They have external vid card <- better |
| 22:01.42 | Thunder_Child | cards* |
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| 22:02.24 | Fisker | yeah Thunder_Child |
| 22:02.40 | Thunder_Child | lies Fisker, lies |
| 22:02.52 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F565Pypsuo4 |
| 22:02.55 | Fisker | i fraps'd it |
| 22:03.35 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: yeah, they do, although I've never seen one in the wild |
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| 22:10.59 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: that was obviously someone else |
| 22:12.56 | Fisker | look at tooltips! |
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| 22:13.51 | NeoTron | Imagine that - The Ruby Sanctum will have 3 minibosses and a boss! |
| 22:15.20 | olafski | amazing |
| 22:16.37 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: names can lie, there was no trolling going on. |
| 22:19.07 | Shirik | who wants to haxor me? |
| 22:19.15 | Shirik | I need someone to send me a string to test my router |
| 22:19.34 | cralor | has anyone noticed PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED fires more than it should? |
| 22:19.42 | Thunder_Child | i dont want to send you string |
| 22:19.48 | Thunder_Child | it's my string |
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| 22:20.27 | Ackis | anyone here have collectinator installed? |
| 22:21.48 | Thunder_Child | i think i do |
| 22:21.58 | Thunder_Child | yes, i do |
| 22:22.17 | Ackis | are the icons for pet/mount collections showing up? |
| 22:22.35 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, i havent played in weeks |
| 22:22.45 | Ackis | heh |
| 22:25.38 | AlicanC | Why I can't see my text? http://www.pastebin.com/d6f8c1177 |
| 22:26.05 | olafski | I have it I think ackis |
| 22:26.05 | AlicanC | i can see it if i remove the backdrop |
| 22:26.15 | olafski | oh doh.. disabled, hang on |
| 22:26.40 | haste | AlicanC: because you use BACKGROUND as the layer it should be created at |
| 22:27.06 | olafski | dang I lied.. I have TheCollector installed :( |
| 22:27.10 | AlicanC | a ha |
| 22:27.18 | Ackis | olafski: can you just tell me if the pet icon looks like http://www.wowace.com/addons/collectinator/images/1-collectinator-pet-icon/ |
| 22:27.35 | Sesshu | hmm... bigwigs and dbm are telling me that my combatlog doesn't work anymore and that that's caused by blizzard.. but i have already written a ticket..the gm said i have to delete my wtf folder and update my add ons because it's a bug of one of my add ons!!!! and you know.. gms are omniscient:PP |
| 22:27.55 | olafski | ackis: sorry I thought I had it installed but I didn't :( |
| 22:27.59 | Gnarfoz | restart wow, problem fixed |
| 22:28.00 | Ackis | :O |
| 22:28.09 | Sesshu | i know the bug |
| 22:28.12 | Gnarfoz | or... get Shadowed's addon that continually fixes it at runtime |
| 22:28.14 | Gnarfoz | oh, well |
| 22:28.20 | olafski | I doubt deleting the wtf folder fixes that |
| 22:28.26 | Shadowed | Step one |
| 22:28.26 | olafski | oh there's an addon that fixes it? |
| 22:28.26 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't, of coure |
| 22:28.28 | Sesshu | haah |
| 22:28.28 | Gnarfoz | *course |
| 22:28.30 | olafski | which one is that :) |
| 22:28.31 | Shadowed | Technically it does Gnarfoz |
| 22:28.33 | Shadowed | if you log out and do it |
| 22:28.34 | Shadowed | :P |
| 22:28.39 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: :X |
| 22:28.47 | AlicanC | haste, thanks. I moved it to OVERLAY and it works |
| 22:28.57 | Gnarfoz | olafski: Combat Log Fixer |
| 22:29.00 | olafski | k thanks :) |
| 22:29.04 | Gnarfoz | nomen est omen~ |
| 22:29.21 | Gnarfoz | the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club |
| 22:29.32 | olafski | Combat Log Fix* :P |
| 22:30.05 | cralor | PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED is "Fires when a unit's AFK or DND status changes". I have found this to be untrue. Anyone know anything on this? |
| 22:30.15 | cralor | for example: |
| 22:30.21 | cralor | if I zone in, it will fire |
| 22:31.10 | olafski | This event fires when a Unit's flags change (eg: due to /afk, /dnd, etc.) |
| 22:31.15 | olafski | "etc" |
| 22:31.31 | zenzelezz | it fires when those happen, but not *only* when those happen |
| 22:31.34 | Shadowed | cralor you have to poll |
| 22:31.41 | Shadowed | PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED does work, but it's not 100% |
| 22:31.49 | cralor | Oh... |
| 22:31.56 | cralor | So what do I do to combat this |
| 22:32.03 | Shadowed | you poll :p |
| 22:32.10 | Shadowed | you use an OnUpdate to recheck |
| 22:32.32 | olafski | what do you want to check actually? |
| 22:32.45 | cralor | if the player goes AFK |
| 22:32.54 | olafski | hm |
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| 22:33.20 | olafski | I'd say that event is enough for that.. but shadowed probably knows more than I do about this :) |
| 22:33.32 | Shadowed | You want JUST the player cralor? |
| 22:33.42 | Shadowed | PLAYER_FLAGS_CHANGED should be fine for the player, if you want the group you need polling |
| 22:34.00 | olafski | ah |
| 22:34.14 | Ackis | hey guys, guess who's dead to me? it's olafski! :D |
| 22:34.16 | Ackis | <3 |
| 22:34.16 | olafski | nothing you need to do against it then.. when the event fires, check the afk status |
| 22:34.23 | Ackis | ok you're alive to me again olafski |
| 22:34.25 | Ackis | my rage is over |
| 22:34.26 | Ackis | gone |
| 22:34.28 | olafski | :( |
| 22:34.31 | olafski | I'm hurt |
| 22:35.14 | Adys | cralor: PFC will fire whenever a flag changes, it can be afk/dnd and it can be a bunch of other things |
| 22:35.57 | cralor | Yeah I understand now. I'm questioning whether I even need this anymore :P |
| 22:36.08 | Adys | what do you want to do? |
| 22:36.38 | cralor | ah yes. |
| 22:36.40 | cralor | ok |
| 22:36.51 | cralor | I want to catch when the player /returns/ from AFK. only. |
| 22:37.06 | Adys | which player? the player playing or other players? |
| 22:37.15 | cralor | UnitID "player" |
| 22:37.29 | Adys | k, PFC is fine but you need to check what happens every time it fires |
| 22:37.39 | Shadowed | This patch is pretty amazing |
| 22:37.44 | Shadowed | Few nice UI changes |
| 22:37.50 | cralor | well i currently check AFK and DND... but now what about the rest O_O |
| 22:38.41 | cralor | Shadowed: for what? |
| 22:38.51 | Shadowed | AH mostly |
| 22:38.58 | cralor | of 3.3.3? |
| 22:39.06 | Shadowed | yea |
| 22:39.09 | cralor | Oh |
| 22:39.12 | cralor | cool |
| 22:39.17 | Shadowed | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/23329393385-ptr-patch-333-notes.html |
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| 22:40.43 | cralor | Unleashed Rage: This ability is now always on as a passive aura. :O |
| 22:40.53 | Shadowed | They did that with most of the auras |
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| 22:41.00 | AlicanC | "Arcane Empowerment: This effect is now passive instead of being a proc off of critical strikes." |
| 22:41.09 | AlicanC | it wont be spamming my MSBT anymore? good. |
| 22:41.15 | Shadowed | Reduces spam overall yea |
| 22:41.25 | AlicanC | -Arcane Empowerment +Arcane Empowerment -Arcane Empowerment +Arcane Empowerment -Arcane Empowerment +Arcane Empowerment OMGMGMGMOGMG |
| 22:41.47 | cralor | Frozo the Renowned has moved into the Dalaran Magus Commerce Exchange and will be trading your Frozen Orbs for various other trade goods. |
| 22:41.51 | cralor | interesting? |
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| 22:42.25 | AlicanC | 264 epix? |
| 22:42.30 | AlicanC | :D |
| 22:43.09 | AlicanC | "The "Monsterbelly Appetite" daily fishing quest has changed so it now takes place outside the Violet Hold in Dalaran." |
| 22:43.13 | AlicanC | awesome |
| 22:43.20 | Adys | yeha thank fuck for that |
| 22:43.42 | AlicanC | "Titansteel Bar: Creating this item no longer results in a cooldown." wtf? :D |
| 22:44.13 | AlicanC | same with tailoring stuff |
| 22:45.06 | AlicanC | oh my god they increased deserter to 30 minutes |
| 22:46.50 | cralor | who wants to help me :P |
| 22:46.50 | cralor | with this "polling" |
| 22:46.50 | cralor | "I want to catch when the player /returns/ from AFK. only." |
| 22:46.52 | smcn | AlicanC: i made that exact suggestion on the forums too ;P |
| 22:47.01 | Adys | !api afk |
| 22:47.04 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'afk': CHAT_MSG_AFK, UnitIsAFK, ReportPlayerIsPVPAFK |
| 22:47.14 | cralor | hmm |
| 22:47.16 | Adys | cralor: on event PFC, check UnitIsAfk("player") |
| 22:47.20 | Adys | thats all |
| 22:47.58 | cralor | Problem: |
| 22:48.00 | AlicanC | smcn, which suggestion? :P |
| 22:48.03 | cralor | I want it to be nil |
| 22:48.08 | smcn | 30 minute deserter |
| 22:48.17 | cralor | if UnitIsAFk("player") == nil ... do stuff |
| 22:48.40 | cralor | Because I want it to run when they are coming back from AFK |
| 22:48.50 | cralor | they have returned to play |
| 22:48.53 | AlicanC | 15 min was accepable but 30 min is a real punishment :D |
| 22:50.41 | AlicanC | Fisker, lol you had vent open when recording that CS video :D |
| 22:50.49 | Fisker | old AlicanC |
| 22:51.01 | AlicanC | nope |
| 22:51.15 | AlicanC | I have "just" went "wtf?" when ý thought it was coming from my vent |
| 22:53.01 | Thunder_Child | i really wish i could play you Fisker |
| 22:53.09 | cralor | what is some other examples of events caught by PFC? |
| 22:55.59 | Gnarfoz | can I somehow easily get the itemlink code for an item? |
| 22:56.01 | Arrowmaster | cralor: set a flag when they are afk and just check to see if its set and they are not afk |
| 22:56.21 | Gnarfoz | i.e. the stuff I need to put in SendChatMessage to spit out a chat message with a working, clickable item link |
| 22:56.27 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: do you have the item? |
| 22:56.33 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: sure |
| 22:56.42 | Arrowmaster | !api gethyperlink |
| 22:56.45 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'gethyperlink': SimpleHTML:GetHyperlinkFormat, ScrollingMessageFrame:GetHyperlinksEnabled, SimpleHTML:GetHyperlinksEnabled |
| 22:56.46 | Gnarfoz | thanks |
| 22:56.50 | Gnarfoz | oh wait |
| 22:56.52 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 22:56.54 | Gnarfoz | how do I use that? ;D |
| 22:57.03 | Wobin | !api getitemlink |
| 22:57.10 | lua_bot | GetTradeTargetItemLink: Returns a hyperlink for an item offered for trade by the target (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTradeTargetItemLink) |
| 22:57.40 | Gnarfoz | so I need to get the item traded to me by someone else? ;o |
| 22:57.42 | Gnarfoz | !api itemlink |
| 22:57.43 | lua_bot | Found 16 possible matches for 'itemlink'. Please be more specific |
| 22:57.55 | Wobin | bah |
| 22:57.57 | Arrowmaster | no theres an api for almost every situation |
| 22:58.05 | Wobin | Gnarfoz, just search the api for the function =P |
| 22:58.06 | Arrowmaster | just dont remember the names |
| 22:58.13 | AlicanC | how do I create an editbox in my frame? |
| 22:58.16 | Wobin | rather than having us try to narrow it down =P |
| 22:58.16 | Gnarfoz | !api getiteminfo |
| 22:58.17 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'getiteminfo': GetTradeTargetItemInfo, GetItemInfo |
| 22:58.25 | Gnarfoz | the latter sounds good |
| 22:59.46 | Gnarfoz | damn those links are fat |
| 23:00.03 | Gnarfoz | is there no other way of putting an item link in a macro ;\ |
| 23:01.12 | Gagorian | what do you need to do with it? |
| 23:01.21 | Arrowmaster | use sendchatmessage with getiteminfo |
| 23:02.06 | Gnarfoz | Gagorian: macro to offer an item in trade |
| 23:02.30 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: yeah, I'm doing it that way, it's just annoying because you lose so much macro length for the Lua =( |
| 23:03.36 | Gnarfoz | oh man, I have to write |'s as \124, too? |
| 23:03.40 | Gnarfoz | this is unfun :( |
| 23:09.47 | Lunessa | I leave you all with this parting video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46bkXgxb66E |
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| 23:17.32 | Arrowmaster | fuck im IO limited |
| 23:17.55 | Arrowmaster | hashing this 6gb file is only using 30% of a core |
| 23:18.22 | Audible | sounds like you should buy some SSD's and more DDR3 ram |
| 23:19.11 | Arrowmaster | just because you mentioned SSDs ill hash it again once i move it over to my raid |
| 23:23.19 | Arrowmaster | 80% cpu usage |
| 23:30.39 | Audible | Arrowmaster : so you have a SSD raid? |
| 23:30.44 | Audible | or is it raptors? |
| 23:30.58 | Arrowmaster | no i have a raid that out preforms most consumer SSDs |
| 23:31.51 | Audible | what does it consist of? |
| 23:33.48 | Arrowmaster | 1tb samsung f1 raid class he103uj's |
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| 23:35.15 | Audible | i'm saving for 2x intel 80gb ssd's now |
| 23:37.24 | Arrowmaster | whats the read speed on those? |
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| 23:38.14 | Audible | oh idk, 350mb in raid0 ? |
| 23:38.27 | Arrowmaster | weak |
| 23:38.42 | Arrowmaster | ive got 600MB/s |
| 23:38.59 | Audible | and how many disks do you have? |
| 23:39.29 | Audible | http://www.nextlevelhardware.com/storage/battleship/ |
| 23:39.37 | Arrowmaster | 8 drives in a hardware raid6, 7 drives in the array and the 8th is a hotspare |
| 23:39.41 | Audible | this demonstrates the strenght of ssd's and raiding |
| 23:40.16 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: Areca? |
| 23:40.25 | Arrowmaster | 3ware |
| 23:40.35 | Gnarfoz | bleh |
| 23:41.00 | Gnarfoz | which one, out of couriosity? |
| 23:41.07 | Gnarfoz | (I never know how to spell that word) |
| 23:41.10 | Arrowmaster | the 600mb/s was the max ive gotten one time, its not always that high |
| 23:42.59 | Arrowmaster | 9650SE-8LPML i think it is |
| 23:43.12 | Arrowmaster | just remembered i can check on the web interface |
| 23:43.59 | Arrowmaster | is confused |
| 23:44.08 | Arrowmaster | web interface says 'NO CONTROLLERS' |
| 23:44.29 | Arrowmaster | but im using the drive right now |
| 23:45.36 | Arrowmaster | restarted the daemon and yeah its a 9650SE-8LPML |
| 23:51.14 | Gnarfoz | how much did that set you back? |
| 23:52.58 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: you got time for a game or two tonight? |
| 23:53.23 | Arrowmaster | $1700 or so probably |
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| 23:59.51 | AlicanC | can someone help me adding an EditBox to a Lua frame? |
