| 00:00.12 | Cruciformer | wolowitz: how you will be using it for what is somewhat irrelevant. Gagorian is trying to help you catch bad mistakes that may bite you in the future. |
| 00:00.27 | zenzelezz | wolowitz: if you encounter a door that is locked, you go away (return from whence you came). If the door isn't locked and you're on the inside, you don't turn around and check again if it's locked |
| 00:00.47 | wolowitz | lol zenzelezz great example mate bravo lol |
| 00:01.44 | Cruciformer | I wonder if the Lua interpreter picks up always-true conditionals like that and simply ignores the conditional |
| 00:02.21 | Jerub | Cruciformer: that's generally done by the compiler. |
| 00:02.32 | Jerub | if that kind of optimisation is done at all. |
| 00:02.41 | Cruciformer | well Lua doesnt have a compiler, just an interpreter, but thats sorta what I was wondering. |
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| 00:03.43 | cbreak | there's luac |
| 00:03.45 | Jerub | Cruciformer: what you just said is a lie. |
| 00:03.58 | cbreak | and luaJIT |
| 00:04.08 | wolowitz | Gagorian so AutoMailerSendMail would be an okay variable in your eyes? |
| 00:04.11 | ZorbaTHut | lua compiles stuff to bytecode before executing |
| 00:04.21 | Cruciformer | that just translates to bytecode, it doesnt "compile" in the sens emost people use the word :P |
| 00:04.34 | cbreak | it compiles... to bytecode |
| 00:04.44 | Jerub | Cruciformer: interpreters haven't existed for decades. you're reading out of an ancient textbook |
| 00:04.48 | Cruciformer | *rolls eyes* ok ok you know damned well what I meant. |
| 00:04.48 | cbreak | just like javac, like gcc |
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| 00:04.59 | Jerub | btw, electrons go from negative to positive, and pluto isn't a planet. |
| 00:05.18 | Cruciformer | well pluto isnt a planet its a Kuiper-belt object :P |
| 00:05.31 | Lopeppeppy | Pluto is a cupcake |
| 00:05.37 | cbreak | pluto's a GOD! |
| 00:05.38 | Gagorian | wolowitz: Well, if that's what your addon is called, then why not |
| 00:05.49 | zenzelezz | I thought they considered it a dwarf planet or something now |
| 00:05.53 | wolowitz | Gagorian ty for the tip and sorry i was just being lazy lol |
| 00:06.11 | WobWork | Pluto is a DOG |
| 00:06.15 | Cruciformer | I think the new terminology for Pluto and other decent sized Kuiper-belt objects is "planetoid". |
| 00:06.24 | Gagorian | wolowitz: Although, like said earlier, with the Blizzard table you don't need to even have a global addon name, unless you want other addons to be able to access it |
| 00:06.52 | wolowitz | I'm completely clueless on tables.. <- started coding LuA yesterday |
| 00:06.53 | Gagorian | But, I don't see it as bad to have one as long you're addon name should be guaranteed to be unique |
| 00:06.58 | wolowitz | <- quick learner tho.. i like to nag haha |
| 00:07.12 | Gagorian | as long as your |
| 00:07.19 | Gagorian | Pretty bad typing there. |
| 00:08.15 | wolowitz | lol i understood.. didnt even notice.. All your brain needs to see is the first and last letter.. the letters in between can be jumbled to whatever.. Hmm.. I wonder where I can find that long paragraph. |
| 00:08.30 | WobWork | that paragraph is a lie =P |
| 00:08.47 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, there's a counterexample paragraph you can find somewhere |
| 00:08.55 | Cruciformer | Jerub: and "interpreters havent existed for decades" ... wow. Perl, Python, Lua, bash/ksh/zsh ... all are interpreters. |
| 00:09.16 | ZorbaTHut | cruciformer, as mentioned, lua isn't a pure interpreter |
| 00:09.17 | Gagorian | wolowitz: You should then put the GetSafeLink function into your addon's table |
| 00:09.48 | Cruciformer | ZorbaTHut: How is it not? |
| 00:09.50 | WobWork | cause if I said "Can you read this pprraaagh"... |
| 00:10.24 | wolowitz | it dseno't mttaer in waht oderr the lterets in a wrod are, the olny irpoamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rhgit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whoutit a pboerlm. Tihs is bucseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Aaznmig, huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghhuot slelinpg was ipmorantt! See if yuor fdreins can raed tihs too. |
| 00:10.26 | ZorbaTHut | cruci, it compiles to an intermediate bytecode interpretation before executing. it's a bytecode execution system with a compiler strapped on. |
| 00:10.28 | WobWork | you'd have nfi what I was on about if there hadn't been a precursor line |
| 00:10.35 | ZorbaTHut | wolowitz, Bblaaesl pryleas pnmrrioefg sllaimy aeoulltsby dvrseee clbrpmaaoe tteenmrat. |
| 00:10.44 | Cruciformer | ASll of the afore-mentioned things do the same basic thing: they transform the source code into some internal form of bytecode, which they then "execute". thats what an interpreter IS. |
| 00:11.03 | WobWork | wolowitz: if you can read ZorbaTHut's line, I'll agree with you on the scrambled letters being irrelevant =P |
| 00:11.20 | wolowitz | those arent even words man bullshit |
| 00:11.21 | WobWork | but until then, no, the order of the letters -do- matter =P |
| 00:11.25 | Cruciformer | compaered to a "compiler" which traditionally means transform to executable machine code, not bytecode. |
| 00:11.27 | WobWork | Oh those -totally- are words |
| 00:11.28 | ZorbaTHut | also, "Nreuuoms pmeeononnhs peossss uiapocmltecnd etaaoilxnpn; nwttdtsniinoahg, the pdseuo-snfiiiectc spssliiimm is not snfiiiectc and eieecndvs are oetfn mdanleiisg." |
| 00:11.33 | Jerub | Cruciformer: none of those are interpters anymore. |
| 00:11.42 | ZorbaTHut | (I actually have a translation for the second one, I have no idea what the first one is) |
| 00:11.46 | Gagorian | ZorbaTHut: Pseudo-Scientific |
| 00:11.47 | Cruciformer | Jerub: I disagree. they all are. |
| 00:11.54 | wolowitz | ROFL |
| 00:11.54 | WobWork | sillosism? |
| 00:11.55 | Gagorian | ZorbaTHut: ALmost got the gist of it! |
| 00:12.06 | Jerub | sigh. |
| 00:12.35 | wolowitz | Gagorian you know of where I can learn tables? |
| 00:12.41 | Cruciformer | the act of transfering from one syntax Lua, perl, Python etc) into byte code, which is then "executed" by essentuially a massive switch statement, is not the same thing as compiling. its almost the very definition of"interpreting". |
| 00:12.44 | ZorbaTHut | the original example only works because the words aren't particularly scrambled |
| 00:12.57 | Gagorian | The pseudo-scientific -- is not scientific and evidences are often misleading? |
| 00:13.18 | Gagorian | wolowitz: www.lua.org/pil |
| 00:13.58 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: baseball players performing similarly absolutely deserve comparable treatment. |
| 00:14.02 | Jerub | :) |
| 00:14.12 | Cruciformer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpreter_(computing) |
| 00:14.20 | wolowitz | Gagorian: useful guy arent ya.. ty |
| 00:15.01 | WobWork | PiL is your bible |
| 00:15.04 | WobWork | learn it, love it |
| 00:15.06 | ZorbaTHut | cruciformer, "interpreting" generally refers to the old method of going straight from text into doing-things. as mentioned in that article, there's kind of a spectrum between old-style pure interpretation and full compilation |
| 00:15.12 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, neither extreme is very good, IMHO |
| 00:16.04 | Cruciformer | I agree that in modern times the terms are starting to overlap more and more, but most people wouldnt consider Lua a "compiled" language. |
| 00:16.16 | Cruciformer | (or Perl, or Python or bash or ...) |
| 00:17.24 | Cruciformer | C, C++, D, Pascal, Fortran, COBOL, ADA ... those are considered "compiled" languages. Java with its JIT-shit is somewhere in the grey area in between :) |
| 00:17.27 | WobWork | wolowitz: http://scienceavenger.blogspot.com/2007/12/cambridge-word-scramble-study-its-fake.html |
| 00:17.35 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, the distinction between "compiled" and "interpreted" has mostly gone away |
| 00:17.51 | ZorbaTHut | now it's more concrete stuff like loose typing vs. strong typing |
| 00:18.12 | Cruciformer | ZorbaTHut: I think the only reason that is the case at all is becuase CPU's have become so fast that you dont notice the speed differenc ebetween the two. |
| 00:18.52 | ZorbaTHut | I disagree, you can indeed notice speed differences - but the speed differences have nothing to do with compile vs. interpret anymore |
| 00:19.11 | ZorbaTHut | a good JIT can narrow or even eliminate the gap. pure-compiled languages are actually lagging behind in some areas. |
| 00:19.28 | ZorbaTHut | that, more than anything, is why it doesn't matter anymore. "compiled" doesn't mean "fast". |
| 00:19.30 | Cruciformer | to me a compiler is something that results in an a.out with a .text segment that gets executed as native code. everything else is still an interpreter, no matter how fancy. |
| 00:19.43 | WobWork | that's cause you're oldskool =P |
| 00:19.49 | zenzelezz | wait a minute, you're saying there are differences between them? Why, that might almost explain why there are different ways in the first place |
| 00:20.00 | WobWork | don't be ridiculous, zenzelezz |
| 00:20.03 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* I find it to be a rather meaningless distinction. I mean, if it results in a binary blob in a database, which is read in and executed as native code, it's not a compiler? |
| 00:20.16 | ZorbaTHut | if it generates native code on the fly, it's not a compiler? |
| 00:20.54 | Cruciformer | ZorbaTHut: Sure thats a compiler,. its just using a different mechanism for storing the code. But running pure machine code versus interpreting bytecode is the difference. |
| 00:20.59 | ZorbaTHut | what if it generates native code for a platform that fundamentally no longer exists in native form? can something stop being a compiler for cultural reasons? |
| 00:21.28 | wolowitz | input:52: ')' expected (to close '(' at line 19) near 'end' |
| 00:21.32 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, I can "compile" a project for the Gameboy Advance, and then run it inside an emulator. is my compiler no longer a compiler? |
| 00:21.34 | wolowitz | eh?. i do have end) |
| 00:21.54 | Cruciformer | and JIT's are compilers too ... thats what the term means after all ... Just-In_Time compiler ... the term "compiler" is implied by the acronym "JIT" :) |
| 00:22.05 | zenzelezz | wolowitz: maybe you need a ) before the end? |
| 00:22.08 | ZorbaTHut | so if I run Lua under LuaJIT, does it become a compiled language? |
| 00:22.09 | PProvost | What are you people arguing about? |
| 00:22.15 | Cruciformer | yes |
| 00:22.33 | ZorbaTHut | I find any definition of a "language" that varies based on what platform you're running on to be a flawed one |
| 00:22.39 | ZorbaTHut | it's no longer a property of a language at that point |
| 00:22.44 | ZorbaTHut | it's a property of an execution environment |
| 00:22.50 | Cruciformer | exactly |
| 00:22.55 | Cruciformer | there are C interpreters out there too |
| 00:23.09 | Cruciformer | C isnt a "compiled language" ... |
| 00:23.21 | Cruciformer | its a lnaguage that is frequently compiled, not interpreted. |
| 00:23.26 | ZorbaTHut | Cruciformer> well Lua doesnt have a compiler, just an interpreter, but thats sorta what I was wondering. -- I take it you no longer agree with this statement, then? ;) |
| 00:23.43 | cbreak | lua has a compiler |
| 00:23.49 | cbreak | luac, luaJIT |
| 00:24.02 | wolowitz | input:52: ')' expected (to close '(' at line 19) near 'end' <- line 52 is "end)" |
| 00:24.04 | Cruciformer | luac just produces bytecode not machine code right? |
| 00:24.13 | cbreak | depends |
| 00:24.14 | WobWork | wolowitz: use pastey.net and paste the code |
| 00:24.24 | zenzelezz | wolowitz: did you try putting another ) *before* the "end)"? |
| 00:24.26 | cbreak | it's lua VM machine code |
| 00:24.32 | WobWork | wolowitz: we can't diagnose syntax errors without more context than a single line |
| 00:24.48 | cbreak | wolowitz: balance your brackets |
| 00:24.54 | Cruciformer | Ok lets disambiguate. If I am running on an X64 platform, does luac produce X64 machine code? |
| 00:25.12 | cbreak | it's lua VM machine code |
| 00:25.19 | cbreak | you should read what I write |
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| 00:25.47 | ZorbaTHut | no, but neither does my compiler :) |
| 00:25.50 | wolowitz | zenzelezz: that returned input:52: '<eof>' expected near 'end' |
| 00:25.53 | Cruciformer | then its not a compiler but a syntax translator. its translating from human-readable Lua script into easier-for-a-vm-to-parse byte codes. Thats not "compiling" in teh sense most people use the word. |
| 00:26.07 | Ancu | Im addicted to programming Karel XD |
| 00:26.07 | cbreak | just like luaJIT creates i386 bytecode |
| 00:26.08 | zenzelezz | wolowitz: then like WobWork said, we need to see the code |
| 00:26.11 | cbreak | on a PPC machine |
| 00:26.46 | WobWork | wolowitz: you're essentially asking us to do keyhole surgery while being held four feet away from the door |
| 00:26.59 | cbreak | a compiler is a program that translates to bytecode. |
| 00:27.04 | WobWork | use the pastey link in the topic and paste your code |
| 00:27.27 | wolowitz | WobWork: http://www.pastey.net/133009 |
| 00:27.59 | Cruciformer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler |
| 00:28.00 | cbreak | or does gcc stop being a compiler when I run the resulting bytecode in valgrind? |
| 00:28.08 | Cruciformer | pretty much waht most people think of as a compiler right there. |
| 00:28.25 | cbreak | I don't care what most people think |
| 00:28.36 | cbreak | I care what my Compiler Design professor thinks :) |
| 00:28.39 | WobWork | wolowitz: kill one of the 'end's |
| 00:28.41 | Cruciformer | hehe |
| 00:28.50 | WobWork | say, delete line 51 entirely |
| 00:29.16 | Cruciformer | cbreak: As a matter of interest, do they still use the Dragon book in compiler classes? |
| 00:29.34 | cbreak | we didn't use anything with that name |
| 00:29.35 | Cruciformer | well the New Dragon, not the original one. |
| 00:29.44 | cbreak | our prof. wrote his notes on an OHP |
| 00:29.55 | Cruciformer | "Compilers Principles Tools and Techniques" by Aho, Sethi and Ulman (I believe are the authors) |
| 00:29.56 | wolowitz | oh damnit. |
| 00:29.58 | wolowitz | ty Wob |
| 00:30.00 | wolowitz | sorry bout that |
| 00:30.11 | wolowitz | that code is error free now apparently. |
| 00:30.18 | Cruciformer | s/Compilers/Compilers:/ |
| 00:30.23 | WobWork | you might want to rebalance your indenting, it'll make it easier to spot |
| 00:30.42 | WobWork | although in this case, you can see how the second last 'end' was in blue due to the syntax highlighting |
| 00:30.42 | wolowitz | Blua got a button to make that easier for you? |
| 00:30.59 | cbreak | structure your code sanely |
| 00:31.03 | cbreak | and you will have less problems |
| 00:31.07 | Cruciformer | cbreak: that book is frequently refered to as the "Dragon" book sure to the picture of the dragon on teh cover. |
| 00:31.21 | Cruciformer | sure=due |
| 00:31.24 | cbreak | Cruciformer: sounds reasonable |
| 00:31.24 | WobWork | cbreak: eh, that layout is relatively sane, it's just deep |
| 00:31.33 | Cruciformer | god I cant type at 2:31am |
| 00:31.46 | cbreak | more than three or four levels of indentation warrant refactoring :) |
| 00:31.58 | cbreak | code should be readable by humans after all |
| 00:32.04 | Cruciformer | cbreak: So do they still use it? It used to be the bible of compiler classes. |
| 00:32.18 | cbreak | Cruciformer: We didn't use text books |
| 00:32.26 | zenzelezz | Cruciformer: you in eastern Europe? I thought you were American |
| 00:32.31 | Cruciformer | oh? none? |
| 00:32.35 | cbreak | none |
| 00:32.39 | Cruciformer | zenzelezz: Im in South Africa |
| 00:32.47 | WobWork | Cruciformer learnt through direct mental transfer |
| 00:32.50 | WobWork | didn't you? |
| 00:32.57 | WobWork | man, how -backward- -is- the US? =) |
| 00:33.04 | zenzelezz | hm, thought South Africa was same as CET... oh well |
| 00:33.11 | cbreak | as I said before, our prof wrote all the notes on OHP foils :) |
| 00:33.14 | Cruciformer | I learned by osmosis from Very Smart Coleagues :) |
| 00:33.37 | Cruciformer | zenzelezz: doesnt CET do DST? |
| 00:33.46 | cbreak | not in winter. |
| 00:33.58 | Cruciformer | I think at some times of the year we're same as CET and at others not. |
| 00:34.14 | cbreak | CET is +1 currently |
| 00:34.32 | Cruciformer | zenzelezz: and the reason u may have thought I was american is coz I lived there for the last 12 years. |
| 00:34.40 | Cruciformer | ah SAT is always +2 |
| 00:35.10 | Kraps | WobWork: we are all the way in the west, on the earliest side of the world. backwards |
| 00:36.29 | Cruciformer | cbreak: You interested in compilers or just have to do it as part of a CS degree? |
| 00:37.01 | WobWork | Kraps: you crazy yesterdayers |
| 00:37.03 | cbreak | I just did it because it was interesting |
| 00:37.12 | WobWork | It's still -sunday- for you lot, isn't it? |
| 00:37.14 | cbreak | and I had to get points, so why not in an interesting class |
| 00:37.21 | Cruciformer | *nod* |
| 00:37.31 | cbreak | I don't intend to write my own compiler though |
| 00:37.34 | Cruciformer | I wish I had a formal education. I taught myself and it was hard. |
| 00:37.35 | cbreak | at least not an other one... |
| 00:38.05 | Cruciformer | but I did write a fairly decent 4GL compiler. |
| 00:38.09 | cbreak | we had to write a compiler in class that generated i386 code from a simplified subset of Java |
| 00:38.25 | cbreak | I have no idea how I managed it. Yay for teamwork :) |
| 00:38.37 | Cruciformer | :) Did it have to optimize? |
| 00:38.43 | Jerub | cbreak: man, i386 machine code. |
| 00:38.51 | cbreak | only very crudely |
| 00:39.00 | cbreak | I wrote the code generator part. |
| 00:39.09 | Cruciformer | this will date me seriously but my favourite machine code is still good old fashioned Z80 |
| 00:39.10 | cbreak | luckily, someone else had to deal with the parser generator stuff :) |
| 00:39.25 | Jerub | Cruciformer: isn't that everyone's favourite? |
| 00:39.30 | cbreak | I had to learn Sparc ASM in an earlier class |
| 00:39.34 | Cruciformer | I dunno ... is it? |
| 00:39.36 | cbreak | it's nicer than i386 |
| 00:39.41 | cbreak | more registers |
| 00:39.45 | cbreak | saner calling convention |
| 00:39.49 | cbreak | ah well |
| 00:39.57 | cbreak | times long gone. |
| 00:40.47 | Cruciformer | I still use YACC / Bison a lot. its a great tool for managing configuration files etc. |
| 00:40.49 | wolowitz | function AutoMailLoadSV() if (AutoMailAutoMail) then local j = AutoMailAutoMail:SetChecked(true) else j = AutoMailAutoMail:SetChecked(false) <- correct if i want it to set my checkbox to true? |
| 00:40.59 | wolowitz | ahh forgot to end's on that |
| 00:41.30 | Cruciformer | no |
| 00:41.33 | Cruciformer | thats wrong |
| 00:41.41 | Cruciformer | j is only local in the one case not both |
| 00:41.46 | wolowitz | function AutoMailLoadSV() if (AutoMailAutoMail) then local j = AutoMailAutoMail:SetChecked(true) else local j = AutoMailAutoMail:SetChecked(false) end end |
| 00:42.20 | wolowitz | does a variable need to b used or can i flatout CheckBox:SetChecked(true) |
| 00:42.37 | Cruciformer | you can flatout :SetChecked(true) |
| 00:42.51 | Cruciformer | you dont have to catch return values |
| 00:42.52 | cbreak | why do you use j? |
| 00:42.58 | Gagorian | the variable would be useless in that face since it woukd be out of scope for everything else |
| 00:43.02 | cbreak | what for do you use j? |
| 00:43.05 | Gagorian | face=case |
| 00:43.07 | Gagorian | what the hell |
| 00:43.25 | wolowitz | Gagorian i just thought it would be needed to call SetChecked.. but obviously not |
| 00:43.57 | cbreak | you don't have to catch all return values |
| 00:44.05 | cbreak | this is lua, not crappy windows powershell script |
| 00:44.36 | Cruciformer | on a different topic entirely. Anyone sen the tv show "ReGenesis"? |
| 00:45.15 | Cruciformer | if so is it worth watching? |
| 00:49.13 | wolowitz | Thank you for all your help guys.. 10am really need to goto sleep haha |
| 00:49.15 | wolowitz | been up all night |
| 00:50.11 | Gagorian | Only 3 am here and sleep wouldn't be a bad idea |
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| 00:52.12 | wolowitz | oh one alst q.. how would i get other addons slash commands and use them |
| 00:52.22 | wolowitz | think it was answered already so sorry |
| 00:53.59 | Kraps | yknow the funny thing about old-world dungeons? you CANNOT gather-and-aoe mob packs. especially in ZF |
| 00:55.09 | Shadowed | Someone evil at Blizzard decided to leash everything by room-ish :( |
| 00:55.47 | Jerub | nothing's more fun than getting aggro on the entirety of RFC |
| 00:55.58 | Jerub | well except for those annoying troggs up that ramp where the quest is. |
| 00:56.06 | wolowitz | stun lock |
| 00:56.35 | Jerub | wolowitz: there's a fair bit of that. |
| 00:56.44 | Lopeppeppy | Uldaman! Love the packs in there. |
| 00:57.34 | Jerub | i just did RFD for the first time in a real group yesterday |
| 00:57.39 | Jerub | as opposed to running around with an 80 |
| 00:57.44 | Jerub | daaamn that's a maze. |
| 00:58.05 | Jerub | (also, damn it's nice seeing those heirloom shoulders on everyone. it's a big blinking sign saying, "I know how to play") |
| 00:58.24 | Gnarfoz | like being level 80 qualifies you for that |
| 01:01.31 | WobWork | Jerub: hehe |
| 01:01.36 | Kraps | ZF has great music |
| 01:01.56 | WobWork | I like farming for the WC raptor |
| 01:01.57 | Jerub | Gnarfoz: shedloads more than otherwise. |
| 01:02.18 | WobWork | just grabbing aaallll the snakes in that first room then laying them all out in a nice neat circle from aoe, is entertaining |
| 01:04.46 | Jerub | RFD was my entire level 34 |
| 01:08.22 | WobWork | hm, I've been having framerate issues =\ |
| 01:08.36 | WobWork | I wonder if I should check for a graphics card driver update |
| 01:22.51 | DWSR | !api UnitDetailedThreatSituation |
| 01:22.52 | lua_bot | UnitDetailedThreatSituation: Returns detailed information about the threat status of one unit against another (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitDetailedThreatSituation) |
| 01:24.44 | DWSR | ~seen haste |
| 01:24.45 | purl | haste is currently on #wowuidev #wowace. Has said a total of 80 messages. Is idling for 3h 28m 21s, last said: 'it's gearscore'. |
| 01:24.51 | DWSR | haste: gnip |
| 01:26.49 | Jerub | ~seen MichaelJackson |
| 01:26.50 | purl | i haven't seen 'michaeljackson', Jerub |
| 01:31.27 | DWSR | !api range |
| 01:31.27 | lua_bot | Found 22 possible matches for 'range'. Please be more specific |
| 01:31.31 | DWSR | !api unitrate |
| 01:31.31 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'unitrate'. |
| 01:31.33 | DWSR | !api unitrange |
| 01:31.34 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'unitrange': UnitRangedAttack, UnitRangedDamage, UnitRangedAttackPower |
| 01:31.38 | DWSR | .. |
| 01:31.54 | DWSR | How can I get the distance from between a player and their target? |
| 01:33.59 | foxlit | You cannot |
| 01:34.12 | DWSR | Indirectly? |
| 01:34.15 | foxlit | * Terms and conditions apply; you may be able to extract other, useful information. |
| 01:34.32 | foxlit | You could check whether you're in range to cast something |
| 01:34.34 | DWSR | foxlit: Well, I just want a ballpark, i.e. 0-10,12-20 |
| 01:34.38 | DWSR | hrm. |
| 01:35.03 | DWSR | Any other way? |
| 01:36.08 | foxlit | interaction distance checks, but those are even more coarsely grained. Why would you care, though? |
| 01:36.55 | DWSR | foxlit: Well, I'm building in a range/threat check. |
| 01:37.10 | DWSR | Since 110%? is melee pull and 130% is ranged pull. |
| 01:37.16 | DWSR | So I want to know if I'm outside of melee. |
| 01:37.50 | foxlit | Could try checking whether you can cast "Attack" |
| 01:40.41 | Jerub | DWSR: there's a way of doing it i'm sure, it's how /qh radar work |
| 01:40.42 | Jerub | ss |
| 01:40.43 | DWSR | Or I could just use scaled threat. |
| 01:41.51 | foxlit | Problem solved! |
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| 01:43.21 | foxlit | grumble grumble, someone should split CameraOrSelectOrMoveStop into multiple functions. |
| 01:43.38 | foxlit | I sorely miss CameraStop() :( |
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| 01:49.47 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:50.31 | DWSR | Is there a way to get CF/WA's CVS to automatically populate the ToC with the current revision? |
| 01:50.35 | bleeter | http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100213.html |
| 01:51.20 | DWSR | bleeter: That almost looks like a CGI picture. |
| 01:51.46 | cbreak | NASA doesn't post raws |
| 01:51.52 | cbreak | almost never does at least |
| 01:52.04 | cbreak | because raws are most of the time not in visible bands |
| 01:52.29 | cbreak | this one looks like a motion compensated time aggregation though |
| 01:56.52 | Iriel | APOD frequently isn't a NASA sourced pic |
| 02:01.40 | DWSR | APOD have an rss? |
| 02:05.09 | DWSR | nvm |
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| 02:17.10 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 02:17.15 | kd3 | usb wall sockets |
| 02:17.19 | DWSR | Need |
| 02:17.30 | DWSR | rolls need |
| 02:18.18 | Thunder_Child | why oh why is Legend of the Seeker still on the air! |
| 02:18.31 | kd3 | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/02/usb-power-outlet-iphone-universal-remote-impress-at-macworld.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss |
| 02:18.32 | kd3 | wtb |
| 02:19.36 | A-KO | Thunder_Child: haha, it is pretty bad |
| 02:19.42 | Cairenn | WoooHooo! Gold! |
| 02:19.55 | Thunder_Child | A-KO: only if you read the book i surmise |
| 02:19.59 | A-KO | Thunder_Child: I wish TV sitcoms and shows would just air with the number of seasons and episodes needed to tell a story from beginning to end. |
| 02:20.09 | DWSR | Cairenn: Who? |
| 02:20.12 | A-KO | so it only has 1 or 2 seasons? Who cares |
| 02:20.20 | A-KO | MOST TV series' would have been a ton better had they done that |
| 02:20.23 | Thunder_Child | i do, it keeps teasing me |
| 02:20.37 | Cairenn | Alex, moogoles(sp?) |
| 02:20.38 | batbot | Cairenn, nothing found. |
| 02:20.43 | Jerub | A-KO: but a sitcom is a situational comedy |
| 02:20.55 | Jerub | A-KO: the only reason the show exists is to provide a backdrop to the comedy |
| 02:21.28 | Jerub | A-KO: but i get whta you mean, and the british do that kind of thing very well imho. they do lots of 6 episode standalone series. |
| 02:22.06 | A-KO | I mean, take for example Legend of the Seeker--the premise could work well, and in the book(s)? probably works pretty decently, but the TV series just drags on and on and on. |
| 02:23.30 | Thunder_Child | my issue with Legend of the Seeker is that it has *nothing* to do with the storyline of the book...et it is presented like that |
| 02:23.35 | Thunder_Child | yet* |
| 02:24.15 | DWSR | Cairenn: Moguls |
| 02:24.47 | Thunder_Child | it's like someone took the series, wiped their ass with it and then decided to use the resulting mess the basis for a tv show |
| 02:25.21 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO: if tv series' ended after 1-3 seasons, the network executives couldn't milk you stupid fans for all you're worth. |
| 02:25.51 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: I stop watching after a season if they don't get on with it |
| 02:25.56 | A-KO | at the very least, each season should be a contained story |
| 02:26.02 | A-KO | I could be happy with that |
| 02:26.06 | A-KO | just a beginning, middle, end |
| 02:26.07 | A-KO | all I ask |
| 02:26.16 | A-KO | don't drag it on across 10 seasons |
| 02:27.09 | A-KO | and what's even worse now is the trick of cutting the season in half right before it climaxes and then waiting 6 months to air the rest |
| 02:27.11 | Thunder_Child | the shows that do the best do seem to be the ones that have no relationship between each show |
| 02:28.01 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO: again, designed to milk people for all their worth. |
| 02:29.30 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: since most people DVR and speed past the comercials, there isnt much milking going on |
| 02:29.58 | A-KO | hell I download at this point, especially considering that A) I want my episodes on my PC/online, B) want higher quality |
| 02:30.04 | A-KO | Hulu falls too far behind now for me to use it, though I used to |
| 02:30.24 | A-KO | Hulu is like a week behind on the stuff I watch these days |
| 02:31.01 | DWSR | tbh |
| 02:31.06 | DWSR | I don't bother watching anything new |
| 02:31.28 | A-KO | I know a few people that do that, wait til the show ends/series ends, download all the eps, watch 'em at once. |
| 02:31.29 | A-KO | heh |
| 02:32.44 | Iriel | My wife's one of those download-the-whole-season-and-watch-it-several-episodes-at-a-time people |
| 02:33.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: doesn't have much to do with commercials, or perhaps -because- of dvrs, they're trying different ways to build up hype, keep the show going longer, make you want to buy dvds, etc. |
| 02:33.46 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: same |
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| 02:33.53 | NightHawkTheSane | (including releasing multiple dvd sets of the same content) |
| 02:34.26 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: and by 'watch it several episodes at a time' i mean watch the whole season in a few days |
| 02:34.36 | Iriel | Yeah, same. |
| 02:34.37 | kd3 | whee! |
| 02:34.50 | kd3 | winter storm warning from 1a to 1p |
| 02:35.01 | kd3 | go go snow day go |
| 02:35.05 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: except new they are going to 13 ep's a season, which seems counter productive then |
| 02:35.19 | Esamynn | Cairenn: now I'm gonna have to rewatch that later, I meant to watch it live, but forgot it while watching the figure skating |
| 02:35.52 | kd3 | http://icons.wunderground.com/data/640x480/2xradarc4_anim.gif |
| 02:36.02 | kd3 | so is the mid-atlantic panicking again? |
| 02:36.20 | Esamynn | sigh |
| 02:36.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: nah. as you can still split the season and make it last about as long, with less episodes. and now you can, instead of 22-26 episodes on a 1-season dvd set, you have 13 or so. Dump in some crappy extras, sell it for the same price, and people still buy it. |
| 02:36.25 | Esamynn | why did you people steal our snow? |
| 02:36.27 | NightHawkTheSane | AND, you've just extended the life of your show |
| 02:36.50 | kd3 | es; you can have it back |
| 02:36.57 | kd3 | I promise we won't hate you for taking it |
| 02:41.17 | Esamynn | kd3: I don't believe you :P |
| 02:41.25 | Esamynn | you're just a bunch of dirty theives |
| 02:42.02 | kd3 | wonders if the local media's back in panic mode |
| 02:42.14 | Esamynn | Snowmageddon? |
| 02:42.16 | Thunder_Child | i'm a dirty theif, but i am on the west coast |
| 02:42.30 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: what's a theif? |
| 02:42.35 | kd3 | nah, snowmageddon's up on the mid atlantic. atlanta's all "the world's about to end!!!!!!1" |
| 02:42.42 | Esamynn | haha |
| 02:42.58 | Esamynn | snowmentday? |
| 02:43.02 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn: pay more attention, my spelling sucks |
| 02:43.20 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: yes, what better failure to mock you with? |
| 02:43.40 | Thunder_Child | err..except it doesnt bother me |
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| 02:46.16 | DWSR | Where can I find all of the fields that are defined in the ToC? |
| 02:46.29 | WobWork | on wowwiki somewhere |
| 02:46.38 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/TOC_format |
| 02:47.32 | DWSR | thanks |
| 02:57.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: ? |
| 03:02.20 | DWSR | Adys |
| 03:02.59 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: i was poking you about a game but i guess you will be going to sleep soon |
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| 03:07.54 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: and you don't think ScytheBlade1 is capable of playing a game and not going to sleep? =P |
| 03:09.09 | Thunder_Child | WobWork: not in my experience |
| 03:10.42 | WobWork | poor ScytheBlade1 is getting old =( |
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| 03:26.46 | Thunder_Child | actually WobWork, i do believe it is work |
| 03:27.30 | WobWork | ? |
| 03:30.43 | Thunder_Child | that keeps ScytheBlade1 from working |
| 03:30.46 | DWSR | What does an addon look like if I get an AceAddon with mixins? |
| 03:31.24 | DWSR | You know what, nevermind. |
| 03:31.27 | DWSR | I don't care. |
| 03:31.28 | WobWork | DWSR: Like a pony with a shiny bridle |
| 03:31.36 | DWSR | GCfanboi |
| 03:35.30 | Thunder_Child | s/working/playing/ |
| 03:41.02 | LebQzz | in a Table. what's the initial index number for first entry.. 1 or 0? |
| 03:42.48 | kd3 | wtfs |
| 03:42.55 | kd3 | noveau's moving way faster than I expected |
| 03:43.04 | kd3 | it's already doing 3d |
| 03:43.17 | kd3 | say... quake 3 works |
| 03:43.54 | Matt646 | LebQzz: lua indexes starting at 1 for tables |
| 03:44.51 | A-KO | is a bit of an asshole I think |
| 03:47.04 | Jerub | was just playing quake live. |
| 03:47.06 | Jerub | which works on my laptop fine |
| 03:47.09 | Jerub | unlike... wow |
| 03:48.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ conversation about me |
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| 03:53.28 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: how the hell do i stop running out of rage all the goddamn time in dungeons. level 35 warrior |
| 03:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Jerub: take off your chestpiece and your shield? |
| 03:55.32 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: that helps... how? |
| 03:55.41 | WobWork | you get hit harder |
| 03:55.42 | WobWork | and get more rage |
| 03:55.51 | WobWork | Jerub: learn the law of rage conservation |
| 03:55.54 | Jerub | wait. |
| 03:56.02 | Jerub | you mean i get more rage the more my gear sucks? |
| 03:56.05 | WobWork | yeah |
| 03:56.17 | WobWork | that's why overgeared tanks tend to have rage issues on heroics |
| 03:56.19 | ZorbaTHut | yeah that's pretty much accurate |
| 03:56.27 | ZorbaTHut | it's traditional to remove your pants |
| 03:56.29 | WobWork | but actually, learn rage conservation =) |
| 03:56.33 | Jerub | my bear hits swipe to generate rage. |
| 03:56.39 | WobWork | stop fighting at about 10% health left |
| 03:56.42 | ZorbaTHut | at least as a warrior, you want your shield up for shield-based abilities |
| 03:56.48 | WobWork | let them hit you to build up rage |
| 03:56.53 | WobWork | then between pulls, target a critter |
| 03:56.58 | WobWork | and use roar (or taunt) |
| 03:57.08 | ZorbaTHut | note that you can turn your back on them to take extra damage, or sit down to get yourself crit |
| 03:57.09 | WobWork | that will keep you in combat and prevent the rage from dissipating |
| 03:57.20 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: for real? you do this? |
| 03:57.22 | Jerub | amazing. |
| 03:57.23 | WobWork | yeah |
| 03:57.25 | ZorbaTHut | occasionally, not often |
| 03:57.26 | Jerub | is this stuff written up anywhere? |
| 03:57.32 | WobWork | also, in Halls of Stone? |
| 03:57.37 | WobWork | Stand in the goddamn beam =P |
| 03:57.43 | ZorbaTHut | bloodrage is nice because not only does it give you rage, but it suppresses the rage reduction for the duration of the buff |
| 03:57.47 | Matt646 | ^ ragefire |
| 03:57.54 | ZorbaTHut | so use it out of combat, not in combat, if you're doing short fights |
| 03:58.11 | ZorbaTHut | the entire rage mechanic is wonky, basically. |
| 03:58.21 | WobWork | but really, stick your focus to a nearby critter |
| 03:58.25 | WobWork | and use it as a rage battery |
| 03:58.27 | Torhal | That's probably why Fisker does it all the time. |
| 03:58.50 | WobWork | (don't actually attack it... just growl at it =)) |
| 03:58.58 | Matt646 | or you could always just reroll blood dk |
| 03:59.10 | WobWork | and avoid the whole concept of rage? |
| 03:59.17 | Matt646 | Yup |
| 03:59.45 | ZorbaTHut | I really feel like rage, in its current form, just needs to be eliminated |
| 03:59.55 | ZorbaTHut | it was an interesting idea that simply does not work |
| 03:59.56 | WobWork | also, don't feel you have to chain pull if your rage generation spells are on cooldown |
| 04:00.06 | WobWork | just wait for the cooldown to be up for use before pulling |
| 04:01.16 | Jerub | okay, good tips, thanks. |
| 04:03.43 | ScytheBlade1 | the harder/more often you get hit, the more pissed off you become, generating rage. =) |
| 04:03.53 | ScytheBlade1 | drastically oversimplified, but yeah |
| 04:08.09 | Jerub | in RFD it's room after room of mobs and i wasn't able to just sunder a single mob to hold agro, i had to use the aoe smash lots |
| 04:08.16 | Jerub | and that seemed to just suck my rage |
| 04:08.38 | DWSR | Jerub |
| 04:08.45 | DWSR | Your healer in BoA? |
| 04:12.50 | Jerub | DWSR: yes |
| 04:13.00 | DWSR | Chain pull and leave a mob up. |
| 04:13.52 | WobWork | are you losing the rage between pulls? |
| 04:13.59 | WobWork | or just not generating enough during combat |
| 04:14.34 | Jerub | not generating enoguh |
| 04:14.51 | DWSR | bigger pulls then. |
| 04:17.23 | Matt646 | Pull everything up to the boss. |
| 04:17.48 | DWSR | lulz |
| 04:17.58 | DWSR | Pulling 2 groups at the same time ought to help, so long as you mark and ST down the mobs. |
| 04:18.07 | Jerub | yeah, i started marking. |
| 04:18.12 | Jerub | especially after i realised which mob was doing the stuns |
| 04:18.13 | WobWork | think of it as training the dps |
| 04:18.21 | WobWork | yeah, stuns are a bitch |
| 04:18.22 | Jerub | the dps were in boa's too. |
| 04:18.28 | Jerub | (fuck i loved that group) |
| 04:18.43 | WobWork | BoA don't mean good players =P |
| 04:18.56 | WobWork | it often means they still think they're doing heroics in ICC gear |
| 04:19.52 | DWSR | WobWork: Which is the equivalent of doing anything sub-70 in BoA gear. |
| 04:22.37 | Jerub | i don't have boa weapon yet. is it worth it? |
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| 04:22.53 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 04:22.55 | Jerub | http://quickarmory.com/?n=pham&r=Dath%27Remar is me |
| 04:23.01 | DWSR | Hitting harder is more rage. |
| 04:23.51 | Matt646 | Yeah having the BoA weapon is huge, spend the money and put the best enchant you can on it too |
| 04:24.02 | DWSR | Dagmar: Gnip. THESE HOPEFUL MACHINES IS AMAZING |
| 04:24.44 | Jerub | hm, i'll do that then. |
| 04:24.56 | Amarande | also: boa ranged weapons aren't so great |
| 04:25.08 | DWSR | Amarande: Not bad for stat sticks though |
| 04:25.49 | Jerub | i have an awfully nice plate hat that i want to wear but i'm too low level |
| 04:28.41 | Jerub | DWSR: stat stick? |
| 04:28.46 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 04:28.47 | Jerub | is that like the tanking gun from icc? |
| 04:28.51 | DWSR | An item purely for stats. |
| 04:28.54 | DWSR | yes |
| 04:28.57 | Jerub | :) |
| 04:29.09 | DWSR | Examples: Wands for casters, ranged weapon for warriors. |
| 04:29.41 | WobWork | melee weapons for hunters |
| 04:29.51 | WobWork | any weapons for bears =) |
| 04:29.51 | Jerub | tee hee hunters. |
| 04:30.05 | DWSR | No, they get usage out of them *snort* |
| 04:30.15 | WobWork | the dps on the weapon doesn't matter |
| 04:30.19 | WobWork | (does it?) |
| 04:30.33 | DWSR | WobWork: For bears? No. The damage does |
| 04:30.35 | Matt646 | Hey! Wands were actually useful back when Onyxia was first released... Oh wanding for mana lol. |
| 04:30.45 | DWSR | Matt646: lulz. |
| 04:30.51 | Jerub | frost mages use wands in RFD |
| 04:30.57 | WobWork | Matt646: hehe, I remember doing that on AQ20 |
| 04:30.57 | Jerub | damn last boss is apparently immune to frost |
| 04:31.09 | WobWork | and dreamless sleep potions |
| 04:31.14 | Matt646 | Jerub: Nice. |
| 04:31.19 | WobWork | it's like "Noooo don't dispel!!!" |
| 04:32.39 | Jerub | i wonder how cataclysm will work out. |
| 04:32.46 | Jerub | with things like mana regen and stuff |
| 04:33.12 | DWSR | brb |
| 04:36.55 | Amarande | must have been fun as a mage in classic days |
| 04:37.08 | Amarande | better go arcane if you don't want to burn 100+g on respecs every week |
| 04:37.17 | Amarande | and I have no idea if arcane was any good then |
| 04:37.37 | DWSR | fucking kvirc. |
| 04:38.48 | Jerub | Amarande: why respecs? |
| 04:39.13 | Amarande | Jerub: well, I imagine being fire in MC isn't going to do you much good, nor is it that good for UBRS or even BRD |
| 04:39.25 | Amarande | while ... wasn't it kinda sucky to be frost in Naxx60, OTOH? |
| 04:39.39 | Matt646 | Amarande: Actually Frost was the best for most of Class, the mages that played fire and knew what they were doing were also very competative |
| 04:39.42 | Jerub | man, how did people ever do 60 mans? |
| 04:39.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I pulled top DPS in MC as fire at 60. |
| 04:39.50 | Amarande | I mean, Naxx-level-60 :P |
| 04:39.53 | ScytheBlade1 | l2fire mage. |
| 04:39.57 | Jerub | :P |
| 04:40.08 | DWSR | Amarande: Ah, you mean Naxx40? |
| 04:40.08 | Amarande | Scythe: didn't bosses kinda shrug it off though? |
| 04:40.12 | Amarande | DWSR: Yeah. |
| 04:40.17 | DWSR | Then say so. |
| 04:40.25 | Matt646 | Yeah I ran MC as fire as well. I only went arcane / frost a few times and that was just to mess around. |
| 04:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | to an extent. not nearly enough to really matter. |
| 04:40.36 | Jerub | 25mans are hard enough to manage, 40 would've been insane |
| 04:40.46 | ScytheBlade1 | spell mechanics were different back then |
| 04:40.54 | Amarande | Jerub: back then you listed WoW as a 'current job' when applying for jobs |
| 04:40.55 | DWSR | SB1: Plus, curse of elements going to negative resistance ftw. |
| 04:41.00 | ScytheBlade1 | yup. |
| 04:41.04 | DWSR | If you were a raider. |
| 04:41.11 | DWSR | WTB negative resistances. |
| 04:41.16 | Amarande | which is one of the bad things about pre-WotLK WoW |
| 04:41.17 | DWSR | So win in PvP. |
| 04:41.25 | DWSR | You have -180 fire resist? *boom*. |
| 04:41.33 | Amarande | when an MMO has to become a primary life commitment, that's kinda ... fail |
| 04:41.34 | Jerub | how many raiders were there? was it "the" raiding guild on a server? 2? 3? |
| 04:41.59 | DWSR | Jerub: Yeah, high pop servers had at most a half dozen competitive guilds. |
| 04:42.20 | Jerub | wow. my dodgy australian server on the crappy horde side has half a dozen.. |
| 04:42.25 | DWSR | We're talking about servers with queue times. |
| 04:42.29 | Matt646 | ArthasUS had probably 4-5 top guilds both alli and horde... now everyones quit/transfered away |
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| 04:44.15 | Jerub | hehe, queue times. i've heard of those. |
| 04:45.07 | Matt646 | Jerub: We still get queues on patch weeks/tuesdays @ primetime |
| 04:45.12 | DWSR | Everyone here needs to grab BT - These Hopeful Machines. |
| 04:45.33 | DWSR | My server gets queues whenever new content drops. |
| 04:45.35 | Amarande | BT? |
| 04:45.41 | DWSR | Amarande: ... |
| 04:45.44 | DWSR | Brain Transeau. |
| 04:45.47 | DWSR | Brian* |
| 04:45.51 | Amarande | Never heard of him. |
| 04:45.51 | DWSR | Listen. |
| 04:45.57 | DWSR | I'll post the FLAC of it, if you want it. |
| 04:46.48 | Amarande | http://dailysquee.com/2010/02/14/cute-baby-animal-i-heart-naps/ |
| 04:46.53 | Amarande | Awww. |
| 04:46.59 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_(musician) |
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| 04:47.19 | DWSR | Amarande: Amazingly talented musician. If you want this album, I'll post it for you |
| 04:47.36 | Amarande | doesn't download music :S |
| 04:48.31 | DWSR | Amarande: This isn't music. This is aural sex. |
| 04:49.00 | WobWork1 | DWSR: what artist? |
| 04:49.15 | DWSR | WobWork1: BT. |
| 04:49.43 | WobWork1 | ah |
| 04:49.52 | DWSR | Absolutely outstanding album. |
| 04:49.54 | DWSR | I want the 5.1 |
| 04:50.20 | WobWork1 | I saw the album cover |
| 04:50.23 | WobWork1 | that was shiny |
| 04:50.57 | DWSR | It's amazing. |
| 04:51.05 | DWSR | It's frmo a DA artist as well.\ |
| 04:51.07 | DWSR | s/frmo/from/ |
| 04:51.26 | DWSR | Who did it in fucking oil. |
| 04:51.32 | DWSR | sec, I'll grab the link |
| 04:51.49 | DWSR | http://jasinski.deviantart.com/art/These-Hopeful-Machines-Cover-153828807 |
| 04:51.52 | DWSR | EFFING AWESOME |
| 04:52.15 | WobWork1 | although I have to ask |
| 04:52.20 | WobWork1 | how does that fit on the album? |
| 04:52.58 | DWSR | Folded. |
| 04:53.36 | DWSR | omg, he's slated to be collab'ing with Imogen Heap. |
| 04:53.40 | DWSR | splodes. |
| 04:55.18 | DWSR | Oh wow, he did the soundtrack for Zoolander? |
| 04:55.21 | DWSR | That's why it rocks. |
| 04:57.09 | DWSR | anyway. |
| 04:57.12 | DWSR | Go BUY it, then |
| 04:57.43 | DWSR | http://is.gd/8pcVs |
| 05:03.42 | DWSR | ~seen antiarc |
| 05:03.43 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (3d 4h 36m 1s) #wowace (3d 4h 36m 1s) #curseforge (3d 4h 36m 1s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 2d 20h 8m 37s, last said: 'I'll just leave this here.'. |
| 05:04.01 | NightHawkTheSane | You know what the best thing about playing Civ4 is? |
| 05:04.18 | DWSR | what? |
| 05:04.20 | NightHawkTheSane | I get to listen Leonard Nimoy |
| 05:05.00 | DWSR | nice. |
| 05:05.15 | DWSR | !lua getfenv |
| 05:05.16 | batbot | DWSR: > function: 0x848f50 |
| 05:05.19 | DWSR | err. |
| 05:05.24 | DWSR | documentation woulda been cool |
| 05:05.30 | DWSR | ~lua |
| 05:05.31 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 05:05.55 | Thrae | How much longer will the SFK Boss be around? I noticed the Lunar Festival has already started. I thought "Love Was in the Air" doesn't end until the 16th |
| 05:06.19 | Jerub | Thrae: both festivals are running concurrently. |
| 05:07.04 | Thrae | Ah, OK, so I still have one day to get some of the items. |
| 05:07.05 | DWSR | local _G = getfenv(0) <- What does this do and why would you do it? |
| 05:07.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: check your calendar |
| 05:07.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: it lists the exact day/time love is in the air ends, it's available until then |
| 05:07.32 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: not entirely true. |
| 05:07.37 | Thrae | Ah, it ends on the 21st. |
| 05:07.50 | Jerub | the stupid timezone bullshit we tolerate means the SFK boss starts/stops at a different time to the rest of the event. |
| 05:07.50 | Matt646 | DWSR: getfenv ([f]) |
| 05:07.50 | Matt646 | Returns the current environment in use by the function. f can be a Lua function or a number that specifies the function at that stack level: Level 1 is the function calling getfenv. If the given function is not a Lua function, or if f is 0, getfenv returns the global environment. The default for f is 1. |
| 05:07.58 | DWSR | Ok. |
| 05:08.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: eh, its close enough |
| 05:08.03 | DWSR | answer the second part. |
| 05:08.08 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: tee hee. |
| 05:08.15 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: 7pm the next day is 'close enough' :P |
| 05:08.57 | Thrae | I hope Cataclysm beefs up the Wardens in Moonglade. It doesn't seem right a Level 80 Druid can get ganked in the middle of Nighthaven. |
| 05:09.15 | Matt646 | Well passing in 0 (as it says) will return the global environment. I'm not sure what that would do for you though. |
| 05:09.23 | DWSR | Matt646: ;) |
| 05:09.28 | DJJeff | http://pastebin.com/d57e8f33d |
| 05:10.48 | DWSR | DJJeff: Yes....? |
| 05:11.05 | DJJeff | is that normal tracert? |
| 05:11.12 | DJJeff | my addons are downloading slow |
| 05:11.13 | DWSR | tracert always depends on the source. |
| 05:11.28 | DJJeff | I get 18ms-20ms to google.ca |
| 05:11.35 | DWSR | Of course you do |
| 05:11.49 | DWSR | google a) has servers in canada and b) is a hell of a lot more popular. |
| 05:11.55 | DWSR | Telus probably has optimized routes to it. |
| 05:12.09 | DJJeff | hrmmm ok |
| 05:12.21 | Matt646 | DWSR: I'm looking at my lua book now and their example uses it to control the scope of some built in functions (print). They also mention that changing the global environment is a bad idea (pretty obvious but yeah). |
| 05:12.26 | DJJeff | just curious why my addons are downloading slow |
| 05:12.44 | DWSR | DJJeff: You have almost double the number of hops that I do. |
| 05:12.48 | DWSR | Fail Telus. |
| 05:13.15 | DJJeff | yes Fail Telus |
| 05:13.33 | DJJeff | it wasn't this bad yesterday |
| 05:13.35 | DJJeff | thats all I know |
| 05:22.44 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy1 (~Mike@c-68-32-134-121.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 05:26.29 | DWSR | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-addon-3-0/ <-- addon:NewModule() someone want to elaborate on prototypes? |
| 05:29.09 | Matt646 | DWSR: I see it as a way of extending something, in the example on that page they're extending (in this case, hooking) OnEnable with a call to print as well. Hopefully that helps? |
| 05:29.32 | DWSR | If you can infer it from the text on the page, I probably have already done so. :P |
| 05:29.35 | DWSR | I want more than that. |
| 05:31.12 | Jerub | is it bad that I don't talk on vent because i have a female character name and giggle when people refer to me personally as a girl? |
| 05:31.32 | Arrowmaster | its a table that the contents of will be part of any modules you create |
| 05:31.36 | DWSR | Jre: Yes. |
| 05:31.50 | Amarande | I don't talk on vent because every time I try my mic comes out way too quiet |
| 05:31.55 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: So it's just a table of default values/functions? |
| 05:32.02 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:32.06 | LebQzz | Jerub keep that up... funny as hell when they give you stuff just because ;P |
| 05:32.08 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Are the functions passed verbatim or are they interpreted first? |
| 05:32.25 | Jerub | LebQzz: i've not had free stuff before. |
| 05:32.33 | Amarande | Jerub: when you can't make raids, claim to be pregnant :) |
| 05:32.35 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: its just a table |
| 05:32.36 | Jerub | except if you count the hunter who gave me a stack of feasts because he didn't have cooking |
| 05:32.43 | Jerub | Amarande: hah! |
| 05:33.30 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Should I embed all my libraries into a single addon object or should I seperate out the libraries? |
| 05:33.34 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: I'm talking about Ace. |
| 05:33.52 | DWSR | Also, can I embed everything and then just make some variables that are references? |
| 05:33.53 | Arrowmaster | no libraries are handled seperately |
| 05:34.05 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: ITS A TABLE! |
| 05:34.12 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: I'M ON A DIFFERENT TOPIC |
| 05:34.14 | DWSR | KEEP UP |
| 05:34.19 | Matt646 | {} |
| 05:34.30 | DWSR | Totally seperately. |
| 05:35.08 | DWSR | Should I do local a = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("a", ...); or local a = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0":NewAddon("a"); local b = LibStub("AceLocale-3.0"); |
| 05:35.33 | Arrowmaster | huh |
| 05:36.28 | Arrowmaster | are you asking about mixins? |
| 05:36.46 | Jerub | I told a raid that i couldn't continue on sunday becaues it was valentines day and i was intending to get some. |
| 05:36.48 | Arrowmaster | because AceLocale-3.0 cannot be used as a mixin |
| 05:37.14 | Jerub | I just didn't know how to segue from that to "I am in fact a man who has been married 8 years to a lovely irish lass" |
| 05:37.21 | DWSR | Jerub: Don't. |
| 05:37.33 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: I want to know about stuff like ADB. |
| 05:37.38 | Amarande | you lucky married folks :p |
| 05:37.49 | DWSR | Jerub: Or, even better. |
| 05:37.57 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: AceDB-3.0, also cannot be used as a mixin |
| 05:37.57 | DWSR | Just say that you're married to a lovely irish lass. |
| 05:38.01 | DWSR | Oh, no? |
| 05:38.13 | DWSR | Jerub: And let them assume that you are, in fact, a woman. |
| 05:38.16 | DWSR | Married to another woman. |
| 05:38.16 | Amarande | Ohno already won the silver, you're a day out of date DWSR |
| 05:38.54 | DWSR | lemme guess, AGUI can't be used as a mixin either? :P |
| 05:39.30 | Jerub | DWSR: one did manage to suggest i could be a lesbian. |
| 05:39.31 | Arrowmaster | ok first, stop fucking abbreviating Ace as A |
| 05:39.41 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Why? |
| 05:39.44 | Jerub | and there was some question of if I had things 'lined up' or not |
| 05:39.45 | DWSR | There's no tabcomplete. |
| 05:39.47 | Arrowmaster | because its fucking wrong |
| 05:40.04 | Jerub | and then i was dissed for chosing sex over wow |
| 05:40.07 | Arrowmaster | and second, no AceGUI-3.0 cannot be used as a mixin either |
| 05:40.23 | DWSR | What faffery. |
| 05:40.33 | DWSR | "Here's mixins, they're pretty neat" |
| 05:40.42 | DWSR | "You can't use them anywhere, but the possibility's there!" |
| 05:41.08 | Arrowmaster | the libraries you are bring up would have zero benefit from being mixins |
| 05:41.17 | Arrowmaster | which is why they cannot be used as mixins |
| 05:41.28 | Matt646 | That makes no sense! |
| 05:42.16 | Jerub | meh, mixins. |
| 05:42.51 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: For registering modules, couldn't I just specify something like an AceEvent object in the prototype? |
| 05:42.59 | DWSR | Or is doing that Doing It Wrong? |
| 05:43.07 | Arrowmaster | doing it wrong |
| 05:43.31 | DWSR | why |
| 05:43.42 | Arrowmaster | because thats not how you do it |
| 05:44.11 | Arrowmaster | AceEvent-3.0 is designed to be used as a mixin and pretty much is only useful as a mixin |
| 05:44.46 | Arrowmaster | so you just put the string "AceEvent-3.0" as one of the arguments and it will be mixed in |
| 05:44.57 | DWSR | heh. |
| 05:45.11 | DWSR | Thoughts on LibBetterBlizzOptions? |
| 05:45.19 | Arrowmaster | what about it? |
| 05:45.41 | DWSR | I personally use it, however it irritates some people and (apparently) breaks some configuration panels. |
| 05:46.06 | Arrowmaster | its not even really a library, you just load the files but dont do anything with it in your code |
| 05:46.19 | DWSR | Yeah, but it's still a library for whatever reason |
| 05:46.52 | DWSR | Guess I should just OptionalDeps it. |
| 05:47.18 | Arrowmaster | no need |
| 05:47.29 | Arrowmaster | it wont matter if it loads before your addon or not |
| 05:49.06 | Jerub | hm, i'm reading on the internet and some people seem to have gotten wow to work with linux+wine+intel graphics. |
| 05:49.13 | Jerub | anyone know any truth to this rumor? |
| 05:49.23 | DWSR | it works. |
| 05:49.27 | DWSR | You suck if you can't do it. |
| 05:49.35 | DWSR | Linux + Wine isn't the problem, it's the Intel Graphics. |
| 05:49.51 | Jerub | DWSR: i'm fully aware of this |
| 05:50.00 | DWSR | So, suck less. :P |
| 05:50.10 | Jerub | wait. |
| 05:50.17 | Jerub | what, you said the problem is intel graphics |
| 05:50.44 | DWSR | Yes. plz2getrealgpu |
| 05:51.15 | Jerub | it's a laptop :P |
| 05:51.35 | DWSR | plz2getdesktop |
| 05:51.52 | Jerub | i've got one! i just want it on my laptop too! |
| 05:51.58 | DWSR | No you don't. |
| 05:52.01 | Jerub | are you saying that intel graphics will never work? I'm confused. |
| 05:52.04 | DWSR | This is not the answer you're looking for. |
| 05:52.24 | DWSR | Jerub: I'm saying the fact that you didn't steer clear of the laptop as soon as you saw the words "Intel Graphics" means you're getting what you deserve. |
| 05:52.34 | DWSR | Well, that combined with your use of Linux. |
| 06:01.17 | Jerub | DWSR: :P |
| 06:01.33 | Jerub | this is a thinkpad x200, it's one of my favourite laptops of all time. |
| 06:01.42 | Jerub | it's right up there with the venerable X40 |
| 06:03.12 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 06:03.37 | DWSR | Ah the stinkpad. |
| 06:04.36 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: so youve got an input device thats actually usable instead of a fucking touch pad? |
| 06:05.13 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Playing WoW on a touch screen is in no way usable. |
| 06:05.16 | DWSR | Unless you're dicking around. |
| 06:05.41 | DWSR | Of course, if wow supported multi-touch, I'd be all over that like shit on velcro. |
| 06:05.44 | DWSR | However, it doesn't. |
| 06:07.02 | Arrowmaster | i said touch pad not touch screen |
| 06:08.00 | Matt646 | How many touch screen devices even have multitouch capable screens... excluding the iTampon |
| 06:08.26 | DWSR | Matt646: My laptop does. |
| 06:08.33 | DWSR | And I believe you're thinking of the MaxiPad. |
| 06:08.40 | Arrowmaster | your laptop has a touch screen? |
| 06:09.35 | Thunder_Child | quite a few laptop have touch screens |
| 06:09.45 | Thunder_Child | though it depends how you define laptop |
| 06:10.06 | Matt646 | Any laptop that has a tablet "mode" is going to have a touch screen |
| 06:10.53 | Thunder_Child | they are called convertibles |
| 06:10.55 | Amarande | iPad ... iFail is probably a better name |
| 06:11.28 | Amarande | the iPad should be another one for that list of devices that universally gets you laughed at for mentioning you bought |
| 06:11.34 | Amarande | like the N-Gage, or a Beta VCR |
| 06:11.48 | WobWork1 | http://sarahjessicaparkerlookslikeahorse.com/ |
| 06:12.49 | Thunder_Child | i have no love for the woman but that seems messed up |
| 06:13.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ... I like how you're such a fucking expert on the success of a device that isn't even shipping |
| 06:13.37 | haste | DWSR: pong |
| 06:14.11 | DWSR | NHTS: What the hell are you talking about? |
| 06:14.19 | DWSR | the iPad? |
| 06:14.27 | DWSR | haste: Wow-lua? |
| 06:14.32 | DWSR | You mentioned it a couple of nights ago. |
| 06:14.43 | haste | as in the Lua in WoW : |
| 06:14.52 | haste | or it could be cog's project |
| 06:15.16 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: in this case, yes, or rather Amarande's comments regarding it. but my annoyance applies fairly generally to all the bullshit experts who have never even touched a device, and yet think they know exactly how it will perform in the market. |
| 06:15.20 | DWSR | I guess cog's project. |
| 06:15.28 | DWSR | NHTS: I'm not saying I know. |
| 06:15.31 | DWSR | I'm just hoping to god. |
| 06:15.34 | DWSR | and praying. |
| 06:15.43 | haste | seems luaforge is down as usual |
| 06:15.50 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: and i wasn't really talking to you, either. ;) |
| 06:16.01 | DWSR | failforge? |
| 06:16.14 | DWSR | haste: luaforge.net works fine here. |
| 06:16.37 | DWSR | haste: WoWLib or Lua-WoW? |
| 06:16.48 | Amarande | Night: given that they're basically trying to market a giant Touch as an alternative to a netbook? |
| 06:16.53 | haste | DWSR: the one with cogwheel as author :P |
| 06:17.21 | Amarande | the problem is that instead of giving it the kind of things people expect from a tablet or netbook, such as the ones that presently exist |
| 06:17.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: you haven't used it. it's not even being SHIPPED. all you're doing is armchair quarterbacking based on what a bunch of what other people who also haven't used it and arent experts have told you |
| 06:17.32 | Amarande | it's rather painfully obvious that this thing is going to be as limited as a giant Touch, which it basically is. |
| 06:18.09 | Thunder_Child | actaully, MS is concidering an office "app" for it |
| 06:18.24 | Amarande | Night: they've announced it's going to run iPhone OS though ... we've seen devices - i.e., the Touch and the iPhone itself - that run that OS, and are quite aware of its limitations. |
| 06:18.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: er, no? |
| 06:18.34 | DWSR | haste: Err... |
| 06:18.36 | Amarande | There's also the matter that the only place to get any sort of apps for iPhone OS, is via the App Store |
| 06:18.41 | DWSR | haste: Luaforge only partly works? |
| 06:18.47 | NightHawkTheSane | it's an evolution of the iphoneOS, yes, but it's adding ENTIRELY new features specifically for the hardware format. |
| 06:18.51 | DWSR | haste: I can search, but I can't get to any of the resultes |
| 06:18.53 | Amarande | and there are plenty of people with firsthand accounts of how badly the App Store officials dicker around with apps submitted for approval. |
| 06:19.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: ah, yes, you're idiotic extremism comes out. yes, there are plenty of questionable app store stories |
| 06:19.25 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe a few hundred |
| 06:19.36 | NightHawkTheSane | lets be generous and say a few thousand |
| 06:19.38 | Amarande | Now if it was the Tablet equivalent of a MacBook, then I'd be saying THIS THING IS AWESOME. |
| 06:19.41 | NightHawkTheSane | out of how many approved apps? |
| 06:19.42 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: clit mouse only this thing :) |
| 06:20.05 | Amarande | Night: OTOH, the people who get rejected often are able to mention that their idea was actually fairly decent |
| 06:20.12 | NightHawkTheSane | people HANG on the bullshit stories (which DO suck), but completely ignore the AWESOME apps that have zero problems what soever |
| 06:20.12 | Amarande | while a lot of the stuff that gets approved for the store is utter shit |
| 06:20.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: no, that's just extremism again |
| 06:20.25 | Amarande | I mean seriously, they approved an app to AUTOMATEDLY LET YOUR IPHONE MAKE FART SOUNDS. |
| 06:20.39 | Amarande | WTF. |
| 06:20.45 | NightHawkTheSane | there's stuff that gets rejected for good reasons, you just never hear about it. |
| 06:21.03 | NightHawkTheSane | because you can't write a sensationalist news story about someone doing something dumb and getting rejected for it. |
| 06:21.21 | Jerub | like the dictionary that had to have all the rude words removed? |
| 06:21.23 | haste | DWSR: then your searching within the project you are browring and not the entire site |
| 06:21.30 | LebQzz | is there a mod or something that can tell me Framename of whatever I'm hovering over? cause i cant find the Background for Totembars lol |
| 06:21.33 | Amarande | Night: using an open source library is a rather stupid reason for them to reject, though |
| 06:21.34 | haste | DWSR: and luaforge doesn't load even here :D |
| 06:21.42 | Amarande | yet apparently it happens on a regular basis, "using APIs other than that provided by apple" |
| 06:21.46 | DWSR | haste: I'm using the site search |
| 06:21.46 | Amarande | what's the point of that? |
| 06:21.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: and, you have absolutely ZERO basis to say what it is and isn't, because YOU HAVEN'T USED IT. |
| 06:21.57 | DWSR | LebQzz: /framestack |
| 06:22.21 | Amarande | Night: I've also never used leaded gasoline, and can safely say that was a fail idea of car manufacturers. :) |
| 06:22.30 | LebQzz | omg I could have used that sooooo much yesterday ;P |
| 06:22.47 | Jerub | Amarande: did you know the same guy who invented leaded petrol also invented CFCs? |
| 06:22.50 | haste | DWSR: just use the box at the top and make sure you've selected all software |
| 06:22.51 | DWSR | haste: Is cog a Jim or a Matthew? |
| 06:22.55 | DWSR | haste: Yes. |
| 06:22.56 | Amarande | I've also never bought a Beta VCR, and can still safely say that it would be a dumb idea to get one, and has been a dumb idea for the past 25+ years or so. :) |
| 06:23.00 | Jerub | loves that story. |
| 06:23.03 | DWSR | As soon as I click on a project link, it hangs infinitely. |
| 06:23.09 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs |
| 06:23.16 | NightHawkTheSane | right, i forgot that you were a total idiot. |
| 06:23.18 | NightHawkTheSane | my bad. |
| 06:23.30 | NightHawkTheSane | goes back to civ4 and leonard nimoy's soothing voice |
| 06:23.43 | Amarande | Jerub: what a fool :) |
| 06:24.27 | Amarande | anyway, it seems silly for apple to make their tablet be an evolution of cell phones and ipods, rather than the tablet version of the macbook |
| 06:24.49 | Amarande | unless tablet pc's were that epic fail that I'm missing the mark |
| 06:24.58 | Jerub | i'm actually stunned how many people talk about the ipad as if it's a new product in a vacuum |
| 06:25.00 | NightHawkTheSane | (you kind of are) |
| 06:25.07 | haste | DWSR: jim is jnwhiteh, matthew is cog |
| 06:25.11 | DWSR | k |
| 06:25.14 | Jerub | when there's quite a few products that were already in that product space that are very exciting, from vendors like lenovo |
| 06:25.17 | NightHawkTheSane | and i'll bet anyone, any amount of money, that it'll be a financial success for apple within a year. |
| 06:25.26 | Amarande | Jerub: until I hear otherwise, I'm pretty sure that it's essentially a giant Touch |
| 06:25.30 | haste | DWSR: dunno if his wowlib is more up to date or what not tho' |
| 06:25.34 | NightHawkTheSane | not that i think it's perfect, but it'll be successful. |
| 06:25.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (~Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 06:25.57 | Amarande | and tbh, I'm not sure what exactly the attraction of an ipad would be for me in that light |
| 06:26.01 | DWSR | jnwhiteh's is more u2d. |
| 06:26.12 | Amarande | I mean, I can do basically everything the ipad can with a touch, it would seem |
| 06:26.15 | NightHawkTheSane | so don't buy one? |
| 06:26.15 | mikma | you too dude? |
| 06:26.18 | Amarande | and a touch is a hella lot cheaper, not to mention much more portable |
| 06:26.45 | NightHawkTheSane | If you're really so dense you can't actually see the difference between the two, you're WAY out of the target demographic. and also probably mentally retarded. |
| 06:27.06 | Amarande | Night: what IS the target demographic of this thing then? :S |
| 06:27.06 | DWSR | haste: However, it's just a makefile and a .c file. Do I need to compile Lua from source with jnwhiteh's project in there? |
| 06:27.16 | Thunder_Child | people that dont use computers |
| 06:27.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ surprisingly accurate, actually |
| 06:27.33 | haste | DWSR: if it's only those, then most likely |
| 06:27.38 | DWSR | well. |
| 06:27.39 | haste | DWSR: I don't use either of them after all :P |
| 06:27.40 | Amarande | People who want something portable will get a Touch. People who want a real computer will get a MacBook, a PC laptop, or if they don't need that much power a netbook. |
| 06:27.41 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 06:27.51 | Thunder_Child | i know, let me see if i can find that article |
| 06:27.51 | DWSR | I'm going to just use cog's because it's got a windows binary. |
| 06:28.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: which article? |
| 06:28.09 | Amarande | The iPad will sell to people who want ... something, but I'm not sure what :| |
| 06:28.09 | Jerub | my mother who uses her iphone to watch the tennis while at a wedding reception, wants an ipad. |
| 06:28.14 | Thunder_Child | the one i am looking for |
| 06:28.26 | Jerub | (true story, people were discretely making their way to her table to ask the score) |
| 06:28.34 | DWSR | haste: Is luac the interpreter or lua? |
| 06:28.46 | DWSR | (don't have a cli distribution of Lua) |
| 06:28.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: well i was looking for more of a description than that :P |
| 06:29.12 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: i'll find it in a sec |
| 06:29.14 | Amarande | Jerub: except the ipad isn't a phone ... wouldn't you need wifi in the area you're partying at to do that? |
| 06:29.15 | haste | DWSR: luac is a bytecode compiler |
| 06:29.18 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 06:29.21 | DWSR | just like java, alright. |
| 06:29.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: no. |
| 06:29.58 | Amarande | I've heard of 3G support on it though. Which I'm not so sure is that good of a thing. |
| 06:29.59 | NightHawkTheSane | you can buy a 3g data plan, without a contract. |
| 06:30.14 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, because adding more ways for a device to connect to the internet is universally bad. |
| 06:30.18 | Amarande | Night: Mainly, the concern about that is how much control the mobile provider gets in determining what the iPad can or cannot do. |
| 06:30.27 | NightHawkTheSane | none, whatsoever. |
| 06:30.47 | NightHawkTheSane | at&t is really only lucky enough (hah?) to be the network used. |
| 06:31.00 | Arrowmaster | so tethering app for ipad? |
| 06:31.02 | Amarande | also, I presume the 3G support would cut out whenever you go somewhere that doesn't have AT&T cell service. |
| 06:31.17 | NightHawkTheSane | they probably get a portion of the profit, but it's not even a contract deal, and entirely through apple |
| 06:31.29 | Amarande | which ... unfortunately, as an AT&T cell customer, I can say is "way more places than I like to think" |
| 06:31.57 | Arrowmaster | contracts are only when the carrier provides a phone for free/cheaper price |
| 06:32.10 | Amarande | Let's put it this way, AT&T Mobility's FREAKING HEADQUARTERS is in Atlanta. |
| 06:32.25 | Amarande | Yet half the time when I am at Dragon Con (which is in ... *drum roll* ... ATLANTA) I have no cell service. On AT&T. |
| 06:32.34 | Trela | Squeeeee~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZBU257ERE |
| 06:32.35 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: http://gizmodo.com/5458531/the-ipad-is-the-gadget-we-never-knew-we-needed |
| 06:32.38 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: ^ |
| 06:32.51 | Thunder_Child | that guy has some very good points |
| 06:32.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm sure it has nothing to do with the number of people at dragon con overloading their server |
| 06:33.04 | NightHawkTheSane | service* |
| 06:33.11 | Amarande | Night: actually, it seems to have no rhyme or reason to it |
| 06:33.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: ah, i've read that |
| 06:33.24 | Amarande | Example: When I'm at the Wheel of Time track room, which is basically B3F of a hotel |
| 06:33.28 | Amarande | I often see full bars |
| 06:33.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: to YOU it doesn't |
| 06:33.41 | Amarande | When I'm at the food court ... which is at ground level or a little below ... NO SERVICE |
| 06:34.08 | Jerub | heh, i've heard about your dramas with mobile phone receiption in your cities. |
| 06:34.34 | Amarande | Jerub: I'm just saying, 3G AT&T internet service on the iPad isn't going to be exactly that wowing of a feature |
| 06:34.44 | Jerub | i've even seen it advertised how one carrier or another has better reception on tv and stuff. |
| 06:35.01 | Amarande | hell ... you're probably more likely to be able to steal unsecured wifi most places than you are to get AT&T 3G coverage :) |
| 06:35.31 | Jerub | Amarande: in australia, we have a carrier or two that specifically say that outside of metro areas you'll be roaming. |
| 06:35.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: and yet, it hasn't really hampered iphone sales |
| 06:35.55 | NightHawkTheSane | crazy. |
| 06:35.57 | Jerub | Amarande: but we do have 3G service to 99% of australians. |
| 06:36.17 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe because you're, well.. wrong. |
| 06:36.17 | Amarande | Night: well, the iPhone is still probably easily AT&T's best phone |
| 06:36.22 | Amarande | although the LG Incite is pretty good as well |
| 06:36.35 | Amarande | there are probably two reasons that it sells well |
| 06:36.46 | Amarande | 1) a lot of people do not research the quality of coverage before choosing AT&T |
| 06:36.55 | Amarande | 2) some people choose AT&T for reasons other than the quality of coverage |
| 06:37.17 | Amarande | I'm an example of 2), I chose AT&T because a number of the friends who were on my short list of people I would expect to phone most often |
| 06:37.21 | Amarande | are in Canada. |
| 06:37.33 | NightHawkTheSane | and yet, it's still selling well. so..... i'm going to go with.. it'll be fine. |
| 06:37.41 | Amarande | and AT&T seems to have by far the best Canada rates without having to spend an extra 10-20$ a month on an International Plan. |
| 06:38.11 | Amarande | Given that I spend 80$ a month on cell service as it is ... this is a good thing. |
| 06:40.45 | Amarande | Jerub: what kind of nasty level charges do you get for roaming in Aus? |
| 06:40.48 | Arrowmaster | heh i dont even spend that much for 3 phones |
| 06:40.55 | Amarande | I'm not sure AT&T charges anything for domestic roaming |
| 06:41.32 | Amarande | of course, the way cell networks are balkanized in the US, you pretty much are either in-network or no-service heh |
| 06:42.02 | Amarande | Arrow: which cell company do you use? |
| 06:42.30 | Jerub | Amarande: oh, roaming? they're atrocious. you basically don't use data while roaming. |
| 06:42.43 | Jerub | Amarande: but for calls and sms's it's fine. |
| 06:42.55 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: at&t |
| 06:42.56 | Jerub | Amarande: but the concept of not having reception somewhere is basically laughable. |
| 06:43.08 | Amarande | weird |
| 06:43.25 | Amarande | I can't think how you do that ... the most I could cut out would be 20$ by downgrading from the 900 to the 450 minute plan |
| 06:43.32 | Amarande | and I'd still be paying 60$ then |
| 06:43.37 | Jerub | we also can't stop giggling when we hear about mobile phone providers charging you for receiving calls and sms's. |
| 06:43.46 | Amarande | or did you get some kind of deal when you got the extra lines? |
| 06:43.58 | LebQzz | hmm anyone heard of a charframe called Harbin? |
| 06:44.08 | Jerub | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-hands-on-and-impressions/ |
| 06:44.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: yeah, the US is genrally pretty dumb when it comes to cell providers |
| 06:44.23 | Arrowmaster | no deal, havent even had a contract for like 3+ years |
| 06:44.29 | Amarande | Jerub: heh yeah, they do dock us airtime minutes for receiving calls and a text credit for receiving an SMS |
| 06:44.45 | Amarande | it's not the same as a full charge though, since if say I talk or text with someone in canada |
| 06:44.56 | Amarande | I only get the international call charges if I make the call, and when texting only for the sent texts |
| 06:45.13 | NightHawkTheSane | So, for the record, it's only technically one drink if the glass never actually becomes empty, right? |
| 06:45.17 | NightHawkTheSane | refills his wine glass. |
| 06:45.27 | Amarande | Night: you've had enough. :) |
| 06:45.41 | Thunder_Child | nah, it's a 3 day weekend |
| 06:45.49 | NightHawkTheSane | feh, this bottle is only half empty |
| 06:46.02 | Amarande | I wish I could actually experience drunkenness better |
| 06:46.09 | Amarande | most of the time though I get sleepy before I really get wasted :| |
| 06:46.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd have finished it earlier, but its hard for me to really rush a not-terible pino grigio. |
| 06:46.22 | NightHawkTheSane | pinot* |
| 06:48.21 | Amarande | T_C: 3 day weekend? what industry do you work in? :) |
| 06:48.42 | DWSR | Amarande: Canada currently has a holiday monday. |
| 06:48.43 | Amarande | has to be at work in 7 hours and 12 minutes. |
| 06:48.46 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: i dont atm, so every day is a weekend. |
| 06:49.00 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: and the US |
| 06:49.12 | DWSR | what holiday is it in the US? |
| 06:49.13 | Amarande | and I'm foggy off the top of my head if I even get 150% pay for Presidents' Day here |
| 06:49.17 | Amarande | Presidents' Day |
| 06:49.30 | DWSR | ah. |
| 06:50.29 | Amarande | I know I get holiday pay for New Year's Day, Labor Day, Memorial Day, Christmas, Thanksgiving, and I think FoJo, but I can't remember if I get Presidents' Day |
| 06:50.45 | Jerub | FoJo? |
| 06:51.01 | Amarande | Fourth of July. |
| 06:51.02 | Amarande | heh. |
| 06:51.16 | Amarande | I'm not sure how I ended up thinking "FoJo." :) |
| 06:51.19 | Jerub | oh, ID4, |
| 06:51.23 | Jerub | I saw that movie |
| 06:51.35 | Jerub | i liked the explosions. |
| 06:51.42 | Jerub | winks |
| 06:51.43 | Amarande | I also get 150% pay if I work any of those days, which I always try to take advantage of except for Labor Day and Christmas. |
| 06:51.54 | Amarande | Christmas we're closed, and I *do not* work Labor Day. |
| 06:52.06 | Amarande | Mostly because I'm about a thousand miles away from home every Labor Day now. :) |
| 06:52.12 | Thunder_Child | isnt that ironic |
| 06:52.20 | Amarande | what? |
| 06:52.20 | LebQzz | lol |
| 06:52.32 | Thunder_Child | you *do not* work labor day |
| 06:52.41 | LebQzz | anyone played with blizzard totemframes.. seems i have a tiny event problem ;P |
| 06:53.39 | Amarande | TC: I go to Dragon Con every year, it kinda precludes me working labor day |
| 06:55.22 | Thunder_Child | nvm Amarande, nvm |
| 06:56.44 | DWSR | Thunder_Child) icwutudidthar |
| 06:57.15 | Thunder_Child | thats good, i'd hate to think it went to waste |
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| 07:10.01 | LebQzz | so noone had the pleasure ;P ? |
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| 07:17.22 | WobWork1 | woo |
| 07:17.25 | WobWork1 | thanks for reminding me |
| 07:17.33 | WobWork1 | takes time off around Easter |
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| 07:23.39 | Shirik | pleasure? |
| 07:23.47 | zenzio | yes plz |
| 07:24.36 | LebQzz | ye. i moved the totem bar(finally) and all the buttons and background to a spot. but now everytime i select a diff totemgroup. it resets. |
| 07:25.04 | LebQzz | added UPDATE_MULTI_CAST_ACTIONBAR as on event |
| 07:25.29 | WobWork1 | will be getting 10 days off for the price of 4 |
| 07:26.23 | WobWork1 | if it gets approved =P |
| 07:30.19 | zenzio | if what gets approved? |
| 07:30.40 | WobWork1 | the leave request |
| 07:31.11 | zenzio | how would you get six extra days? |
| 07:31.43 | Thunder_Child | 3 days off next to a 4 day weekend? |
| 07:31.53 | Thunder_Child | err.. |
| 07:31.58 | Thunder_Child | bad math TC, bad math |
| 07:32.06 | zenzio | hehe |
| 07:32.27 | Thunder_Child | six days just before the expire |
| 07:32.34 | Thunder_Child | sick |
| 07:32.38 | Thunder_Child | i need to go to bed methinks >.< |
| 07:32.45 | Thunder_Child | they* |
| 07:32.53 | zenzio | :-p |
| 07:32.57 | WobWork1 | Good Friday, Easter Monday |
| 07:33.03 | WobWork1 | 2xWeekend |
| 07:33.28 | WobWork1 | \o/ |
| 07:33.52 | WobWork1 | hometime! |
| 07:35.40 | Jerub | heh holidays. |
| 07:35.54 | Jerub | wonders if he can take some |
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| 08:04.23 | Wobin | Jesus |
| 08:04.29 | Wobin | "Hi Wobin, Its not often we contact you but you will remember Booking Angel when you made a reservation at Bistro Lilly on 7/09/2005 for 5." |
| 08:04.45 | Wobin | Why -sure- I -totally- recall a booking I made 5 YEARS AGO for a restaurant |
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| 08:05.24 | Thunder_Child | 4 years 7 months |
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| 08:06.07 | Wobin | clearly, that makes all the difference |
| 08:06.14 | Wobin | of FIVE MONTHS |
| 08:06.39 | Thunder_Child | cleartly |
| 08:06.42 | Thunder_Child | clearly |
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| 08:28.25 | Amarande | gah, why can I only seem to get one really good night of sleep a week or so |
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| 08:56.59 | Wobin | awesome |
| 08:57.02 | Wobin | http://www.scotxblog.com/legal-tech/gmails-turn-off-buzz-still-does-not-turn-off-buzz-heres-how-to-really-do-it/ |
| 08:57.49 | Wobin | I hope peppy followed those instructions |
| 09:01.13 | Trela | I am not so supportive of Google any more. :( |
| 09:01.23 | Wobin | sotrue =( |
| 09:01.30 | Wobin | they really ducked the duck this time |
| 09:01.35 | Amarande | Meh |
| 09:01.42 | Amarande | you hear a vocal minority complaining |
| 09:01.50 | Amarande | usually people with something to hide |
| 09:02.04 | Amarande | cyberglasnost can only be a good thing in the long run right? |
| 09:02.31 | Trela | I have nothing to hide. I prefer my privacy and making it difficult for others to find me online. |
| 09:02.35 | nevcairiel | I don't have anything to hide, but that doesnt mean i want everything announced to the world either |
| 09:02.38 | nevcairiel | privacy is the win |
| 09:03.16 | nevcairiel | although i dont see the problem with buzz itself now, mine didnt build connections or anything by default |
| 09:03.18 | Trela | So far over the past fifteen years it is possible to search for me. :P |
| 09:04.11 | nevcairiel | when you google me you just find some references in open source projects and similar |
| 09:04.19 | Amarande | if I signed up for buzz it would probably look seriously weird |
| 09:04.25 | Wobin | I found it disappointing that "Turning off Buzz"... didn't actually turn it off |
| 09:04.33 | Trela | Yeah. :( |
| 09:04.34 | Wobin | it just -hid- it from you |
| 09:04.35 | Amarande | I've never -sent- gmail, and most of the gmail I've -received- has been viagra spam. |
| 09:04.36 | Amarande | heh. |
| 09:04.42 | Fisker | this is why social networking is the cancer that's killing the internet |
| 09:04.51 | Wobin | Fisker, I thought that was you =( |
| 09:04.53 | Amarande | Fisker hates contact with people |
| 09:05.01 | Trela | I still want to know how it figured out to link a friend that never came in contact with my account. |
| 09:05.04 | Wobin | or is Social Networking your nom de plume? |
| 09:05.11 | Fisker | derp derp derp i'm on vacation please come visit me and steal my stuff |
| 09:05.31 | Amarande | Fisker: meh, if you're like most people most of your shit is shit you don't need |
| 09:05.39 | Fisker | derp derp derp my boss is a jerk |
| 09:05.44 | Fisker | O nos my boss is on facejerk |
| 09:05.49 | Fisker | err facebook |
| 09:05.53 | Amarande | looks in the closet at the 12.5 egg shipper boxes full of crap I will probably never refer to again |
| 09:06.03 | Amarande | but I keep it because I dont feel like throwing it away |
| 09:06.04 | Amarande | woohoo |
| 09:06.08 | Amarande | I think I need more tequila |
| 09:06.37 | Fisker | derp derp derp i'm an attentionwhore and set my profile to be in a relationship so news media can have a field trip |
| 09:06.49 | Fisker | did i mention i hate facebook? |
| 09:06.59 | Amarande | is having an 'ama is a fat drunk' night heh |
| 09:06.59 | Amarande | ok |
| 09:07.03 | Amarande | I'm somewhat on the fat side normally |
| 09:07.07 | Amarande | but I don't get drunk all that often |
| 09:07.08 | Amarande | heh |
| 09:07.46 | Trela | Fisker: You mean FaceShit, right? Right up there with MyShit. |
| 09:08.07 | Fisker | yessir |
| 09:08.33 | Amarande | has myspace and facebook accounts but rarely logs on |
| 09:08.40 | Wobin | faecebook |
| 09:08.41 | Amarande | and apparently I need to send in a forgot password form for facebook again. |
| 09:08.48 | Trela | The strange part with Buzz is that I never had a public profile, did not, and still do not. |
| 09:09.03 | Amarande | maybe buzz just royally screwed up for a select few |
| 09:09.09 | Amarande | of which a select fewer got vocal about it |
| 09:09.28 | Amarande | because of situations that kinda lent themselves by nature to screw ups |
| 09:09.32 | Amarande | like that one woman with her abusive husband |
| 09:09.37 | Amarande | er ex husband |
| 09:09.46 | Amarande | (I'm drunk, do you really exepct me to remember details) |
| 09:11.40 | Fisker | have you lost your mind Wobin? |
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| 09:12.17 | Wobin | Have you found one, Fisker? |
| 09:18.12 | Fisker | oh u |
| 09:26.42 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/cut_into_pentagram_pizza.jpg |
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| 09:32.12 | zenzio | hah |
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| 10:32.53 | Wobin | http://moronail.net/img/2111_do_you_know_that_joke_about_the_no_and_the_me_neither |
| 10:35.32 | Fisker | lol |
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| 10:45.52 | bleeter | NOOOO |
| 10:58.06 | foxlit | 1.07 + 0.03*cos(max(0, delta) * 90 / range) |
| 10:58.35 | foxlit | That should always be between 1.04 and 1.10, right? |
| 11:04.22 | frontendloader | datastore_mails chugs pretty hard when I have 50 mails of 12 items each |
| 11:05.35 | frontendloader | probably is arkinventory too |
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| 11:08.14 | Grum | foxlit: without knowing what 'cos' and 'range' are, unpossible to say |
| 11:08.32 | nevcairiel | cos is cosinus :P |
| 11:08.40 | foxlit | It's the normal global cos. |
| 11:09.13 | nevcairiel | cosinus has a return range of -1..+1 |
| 11:09.16 | Grum | its math.cos so erm, not so normal global :) |
| 11:09.19 | nevcairiel | so yeah, 1.04 - 1.07 |
| 11:09.26 | foxlit | Grum: no and no. |
| 11:09.35 | nevcairiel | lua> cos == math.cos |
| 11:09.36 | foxlit | Grum: it's not math.cos, and it *is* global in WoW. |
| 11:09.37 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: false |
| 11:09.37 | Grum | oh wait, blizz did that by themselves? |
| 11:09.41 | nevcairiel | huh |
| 11:09.46 | nevcairiel | lua> cos |
| 11:09.46 | foxlit | Takes degrees. |
| 11:09.46 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: nil |
| 11:09.49 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 11:09.54 | nevcairiel | blizz still aliased that |
| 11:09.55 | Grum | hehe lua_bot needs some teaching |
| 11:09.56 | foxlit | while math does radians. |
| 11:10.12 | nevcairiel | who cares, the return value is still -1 .. +1 |
| 11:10.12 | foxlit | (/dump math.cos == cos ===> false) |
| 11:10.16 | nevcairiel | so your assumed range is right |
| 11:10.29 | foxlit | [You can also apparently get a nan out of it if you stuff in math.huge] |
| 11:10.36 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 11:10.50 | nevcairiel | lua> math.cos(math.huge) |
| 11:10.51 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: nan |
| 11:11.13 | Grum | lua> math.cos(1/0) |
| 11:11.14 | lua_bot | Grum: nan |
| 11:11.20 | Grum | lua> math.cos(-1/0) |
| 11:11.21 | lua_bot | Grum: nan |
| 11:11.24 | Grum | :( |
| 11:11.31 | foxlit | Which is fair enough |
| 11:11.36 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/133029 |
| 11:11.49 | foxlit | I can't seem to explain that error |
| 11:11.50 | foxlit | :( |
| 11:11.53 | Grum | true that, but erm doesnt it still depend on whatever is in 'range'? |
| 11:12.08 | foxlit | Grum: it's inside cos. |
| 11:12.30 | nevcairiel | cos always returns -1 .. +1, no matter what you feed it |
| 11:12.44 | nevcairiel | short of infinity :d |
| 11:12.53 | Grum | yes but if range is 0, nil, +/-INF, math.huge |
| 11:13.16 | nevcairiel | math.huge is +inf, fwiw =) |
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| 11:13.26 | foxlit | nil will whine at you |
| 11:13.30 | foxlit | lua> 1/nil |
| 11:13.31 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 11:13.41 | nevcairiel | he'll probably make sure to not use 0 or nil or inf |
| 11:14.29 | Grum | lua> 1/0 == math.huge |
| 11:14.30 | lua_bot | Grum: true |
| 11:14.33 | Grum | <3 |
| 11:14.50 | Grum | lua> - -1/0 == math.huge |
| 11:14.50 | lua_bot | Grum: true |
| 11:15.02 | Grum | aww its even accurate :D |
| 11:15.12 | foxlit | [range = 0 reproduces the problem] |
| 11:16.37 | Grum | then make it / (range + 0.0000000001) :P |
| 11:16.55 | nevcairiel | then it breaks with -0.0000000001 |
| 11:16.56 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 11:17.15 | Grum | math.abs(range) +... ;D |
| 11:17.19 | foxlit | I amended the pastey with some locals to show the path |
| 11:17.44 | foxlit | a = 360 / count; range = a / 2 - max(10, a/6) |
| 11:18.50 | foxlit | Which leaves me with trouble when a / 2 = 10 ==> a = 20 ==> count = 18 |
| 11:18.51 | Grum | so erm, count = 0 ? :( |
| 11:19.48 | foxlit | lua> math.huge - math.huge |
| 11:19.49 | lua_bot | foxlit: nan |
| 11:19.50 | nevcairiel | yeah, with count = 18 it sets range to 0 |
| 11:20.22 | foxlit | [Surprisingly, I don't have a problem with nans: there's a min/max gate that clamps to reasonable defaults if they occur] |
| 11:20.57 | nevcairiel | lua> max(10, 0/0) |
| 11:20.58 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'max' (a nil value) |
| 11:21.04 | nevcairiel | lua> math.max(10, 0/0) |
| 11:21.05 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 10 |
| 11:21.11 | nevcairiel | lua> math.min(10, 0/0) |
| 11:21.12 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 10 |
| 11:21.19 | nevcairiel | thats cool |
| 11:21.39 | Grum | lua> 0/0 == 1/0 |
| 11:21.40 | lua_bot | Grum: false |
| 11:21.43 | Grum | lua> 0/0 == -1/0 |
| 11:21.43 | lua_bot | Grum: false |
| 11:21.45 | nevcairiel | 0/0 is nan |
| 11:21.47 | Grum | lua> 0/0 == 0/0 |
| 11:21.47 | lua_bot | Grum: false |
| 11:22.08 | nevcairiel | and as defined, always compares to false =) |
| 11:22.22 | Grum | lua> -(1/0) == -1/0 |
| 11:22.23 | lua_bot | Grum: true |
| 11:22.41 | Grum | the annoying parts of math :) |
| 11:22.44 | foxlit | And it's only count = 18 that's a problem. |
| 11:23.15 | Grum | foxlit: could there be a better algorithm for what you are trying to achieve with the code? |
| 11:24.30 | foxlit | Grum: there isn't really an algorithm to speak of there. |
| 11:24.39 | foxlit | But it could definitely be implemented better |
| 11:24.51 | frontendloader | lua> print(math.huge) |
| 11:24.52 | lua_bot | frontendloader: inf |
| 11:25.28 | Grum | count is 0 or bigger? whole numbers? |
| 11:25.55 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 11:25.57 | bleeter | holy shit... intel and nokia are merging moblin and maemo???!! |
| 11:25.58 | bleeter | http://thenokiablog.com/2010/02/15/intel-nokia-moblin-maemo-meego/ |
| 11:25.59 | foxlit | So I could just pick a non-factor. |
| 11:26.14 | Adys | nevcairiel: is there a way to force a systemwide import? |
| 11:26.22 | Adys | import logging |
| 11:26.22 | Adys | print logging<module 'pywow.logging' from '/usr/lib/python2.6/pywow/logging.py'> |
| 11:26.25 | nevcairiel | systemwide import? |
| 11:26.39 | Adys | yeah rather than current directory |
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| 11:26.45 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 11:26.47 | Adys | eg the opposite of from . import logging |
| 11:28.05 | nevcairiel | not directly |
| 11:28.10 | nevcairiel | you can toy with the module search path |
| 11:28.14 | Adys | meh |
| 11:28.20 | Adys | ill just rename it |
| 11:30.26 | Fisker | herro |
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| 11:36.06 | Grum | foxlit: it doesnt quite look like a smooth scale though :( |
| 11:38.59 | foxlit | Grum: what does it look like? |
| 11:39.32 | Grum | it kinda depends on what is in 'adiff' |
| 11:41.17 | foxlit | I could post the entire block if you want; it's just not that pretty. |
| 11:41.29 | Grum | just curious what kind of values it would hold |
| 11:41.48 | Grum | i just graphed this with a static value of 'adiff' for count 0-360 |
| 11:41.49 | foxlit | It's an angle delta in degrees |
| 11:42.03 | foxlit | so 0-180 |
| 11:42.10 | Grum | and it looks like massive jitter until count ~36 orso |
| 11:42.57 | foxlit | Grum: http://pastey.net/133033 << enjoy |
| 11:43.14 | Grum | from 36 onwards it becomes a cosine |
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| 11:46.30 | Flowy | whats are first events after I login into game? (or after reload) |
| 11:46.59 | Kalroth | KEYLOGGER_PHONING_HOME |
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| 11:47.42 | Flowy | something like "ADDON_LOADED" or "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD" |
| 11:50.36 | foxlit | Grum: basically, it's a mess, but each individual branch is used for a relatively narrow range. |
| 11:50.49 | foxlit | (they should hopefully be smooth in that range.) |
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| 11:51.08 | nevcairiel | Flowy: the very first your addon will see is ADDON_LOADED with your addons name as first argument |
| 11:51.30 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:51.50 | Flowy | I want something that is triggered after I can get GetArenaTeam(id) ... trying |
| 11:52.11 | nevcairiel | thats probably not available until PLAYER_LOGIN |
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| 11:53.29 | Flowy | ArenaChange:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD","ArenaChangeInit"); |
| 11:53.36 | Flowy | function ArenaChangeInit(event) |
| 11:53.44 | Flowy | will it return "event" if triggered this way? |
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| 12:05.19 | Fisker | kicks Flowy |
| 12:05.53 | Flowy | wave |
| 12:06.50 | Flowy | Usage: RegisterEvent("eventname", "methodname"): 'methodname' - method 'ArenaChangeInit' not found on self. |
| 12:06.55 | Flowy | what mean "on self" ? |
| 12:07.21 | Flowy | ah i got it |
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| 12:44.23 | Wobin | =\ |
| 12:44.31 | Wobin | this druid outgears me by avg 24 ilvl |
| 12:44.36 | Wobin | but I'm outhealing him |
| 12:50.10 | Fisker | i'm outhealing you Wobin |
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| 12:59.51 | Wobin | Fisker, I outheal your mom |
| 13:00.02 | Wobin | every night |
| 13:01.04 | Fisker | that's not nearly as bad as what i do to your mom every night |
| 13:02.22 | Wobin | she tells me you only last a few seconds |
| 13:02.39 | Wobin | then go terribly limp |
| 13:02.44 | Wobin | she finds it cute |
| 13:03.05 | Fisker | that's because i can only maintain the size of a cartire for so long |
| 13:03.18 | Wobin | You clearly need better pumps |
| 13:03.32 | Wobin | the bicycle tire one just doesn't cut it |
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| 13:12.26 | Fisker | jnwhiteh you there? |
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| 13:53.40 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: sup |
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| 13:58.51 | mikma | lol, Meego |
| 13:59.41 | Aelobin | is there any actionbar addons that give more than 10 bars? |
| 14:02.21 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/s.php?f=022010&p=framed.jpg |
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| 14:05.19 | nevcairiel | I wonder if many companys will actually pick up meego, considering most of them got their feet into android by now, a second line seems like alot of work |
| 14:07.00 | Fisker | i found someone else jnwhiteh |
| 14:07.09 | mikma | cheater |
| 14:07.28 | Fisker | it isn't cheating if i tell him :( |
| 14:07.38 | Wobin | catscan: http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/022010/cat_scan.jpg |
| 14:07.57 | Fisker | anyway jnwhiteh how would one pull an app from the device mr. jnwhiteh ? |
| 14:08.23 | nevcairiel | pull an app? |
| 14:09.28 | Fisker | pull my finger nevcairiel |
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| 14:21.06 | zenzelezz | Meego? |
| 14:21.23 | nevcairiel | its a silly name, too |
| 14:21.43 | zenzelezz | what is it? |
| 14:21.55 | nevcairiel | nokias and intels new mobile os |
| 14:22.04 | nevcairiel | moblin + maemo = meego |
| 14:22.05 | Fisker | noooooooooo |
| 14:27.34 | mikma | intel + nokia |
| 14:30.40 | foxlit | silly phpBB |
| 14:31.30 | foxlit | Their update packages do not wipe the template cache, which null-routes some of the required form output. |
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| 14:54.02 | Kraps | morning |
| 14:54.38 | Kraps | http://tindeck.com/listen/lqip |
| 14:55.19 | Fisker | i wouldn't |
| 14:56.12 | Kraps | audio nsfw |
| 14:56.48 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: use Astro, and use the backup tool =) |
| 14:56.49 | jnwhiteh | if nothing else. |
| 14:58.33 | Fisker | oh neat |
| 14:59.12 | Fisker | got it yet btw? |
| 15:03.09 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 15:03.13 | jnwhiteh | had it since sat |
| 15:14.27 | foxlit | Button:IsEnabled return values are mad |
| 15:14.43 | zenzelezz | oh? |
| 15:15.05 | foxlit | guess :) |
| 15:15.26 | zenzelezz | I guess they are |
| 15:15.39 | foxlit | Cheater. It returns 1 or 0. |
| 15:15.53 | Lopeppeppy | Cheetahs never prospah. |
| 15:16.14 | nevcairiel | really? |
| 15:16.19 | nevcairiel | nothing usable in boolean? |
| 15:17.09 | foxlit | You have to compare it to 1 to get a boolean. |
| 15:17.18 | foxlit | Coercion fails horribly, since they're both true. |
| 15:17.18 | nevcairiel | obviously =P |
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| 15:17.24 | nevcairiel | but usually blizzard api uses this 1nil scheme |
| 15:17.36 | foxlit | hence "foxlit: Button:IsEnabled return values are mad" |
| 15:17.40 | Arrowmaster | leftover from early wow being in lua 4 |
| 15:17.41 | Ancu | mornin |
| 15:18.49 | Arrowmaster | gets out the MCSE book to do homework |
| 15:19.40 | Fisker | you lied to me jnwhiteh |
| 15:19.43 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 15:19.52 | jnwhiteh | i'm sure I did, but about what this time? |
| 15:20.00 | Fisker | the nexus one! |
| 15:20.32 | haste | it's made of.. CARDBOARD |
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| 15:23.14 | Fisker | omg i just spilled water on it haste |
| 15:24.02 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, do NOT spill water on the new mouse. |
| 15:24.25 | Arrowmaster | and dont feed it after midnight either |
| 15:24.51 | Fisker | You're suggesting that it was the reason my old mouse failed? |
| 15:25.02 | Lopeppeppy | Um, could be related, hey? |
| 15:27.49 | zenzelezz | speculation |
| 15:28.32 | Seerah | should be getting her new mouse delivered today.... |
| 15:28.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | windows phone looks sexy |
| 15:28.57 | Arrowmaster | its windows |
| 15:29.00 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
| 15:29.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | has xbox live on it |
| 15:29.24 | Arrowmaster | so does any browser |
| 15:31.09 | Arrowmaster | 'no shaded icons, no faux 3D or drop shadows, no busy backgrounds (no backgrounds at all), and very little visual flair besides clean typography and transition animations' |
| 15:31.16 | Arrowmaster | ok that does sound kinda nice |
| 15:31.16 | Fisker | did you get the dock btw jnwhiteh ? |
| 15:31.20 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 15:31.29 | Fisker | k |
| 15:31.56 | Arrowmaster | 'customized both by users and carriers' evil |
| 15:32.23 | Fisker | the new ui looks absolutely horrible to me |
| 15:33.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.engadget.com/photos/windows-phone-7-series-interface/ |
| 15:34.17 | Fisker | oh the other parts is kinda neat |
| 15:34.26 | Fisker | but that homescreen or whatever it is looks like shit |
| 15:35.30 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah - the home sceeen needs a little help |
| 15:35.53 | Arrowmaster | http://www.engadget.com/photos/windows-phone-7-series-interface/#2710479 |
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| 15:36.11 | Arrowmaster | actually that does look kinda shitty if you have to scroll sideways like that and it cuts shit off |
| 15:37.45 | Shirik | Ok |
| 15:37.49 | Shirik | what is up with this |
| 15:37.51 | Fisker | ~seen ackis |
| 15:37.54 | purl | ackis is currently on #wowuidev (3d 19h 33m 49s) #arl (3d 19h 33m 49s) #wowace (3d 19h 33m 49s) #curseforge (3d 19h 33m 49s). Has said a total of 147 messages. Is idling for 20h 16m 52s, last said: 'ok I thought so just watned to confirm'. |
| 15:37.55 | Shirik | lua> ("[Ww][Ii][Kk][Ii]"):match("en.wikipedia.org") |
| 15:37.55 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 15:37.55 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:37.58 | Shirik | halp |
| 15:38.03 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:38.05 | Fisker | SHIRIK |
| 15:38.13 | Shirik | fix it Fisker |
| 15:38.16 | Fisker | no! |
| 15:38.36 | Cide | lua> ("en.wikipedia.org"):match("[Ww][Ii][Kk][Ii]") |
| 15:38.36 | lua_bot | Cide: wiki |
| 15:38.40 | Shirik | .... |
| 15:38.43 | Shirik | ............................... |
| 15:38.56 | Arrowmaster | purl, tell Shirik about failrik |
| 15:39.06 | Cide | ~failrik |
| 15:39.07 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 15:39.21 | Arrowmaster | i like my way |
| 15:39.32 | Fisker | ~debug.failrik() |
| 15:39.33 | purl | error("FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!"); |
| 15:39.43 | Arrowmaster | <purl> told Shirik about failrik (FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!) |
| 15:40.00 | Fisker | purl, tail Shirik about debug.failrik() |
| 15:40.01 | purl | ACTION staples a tail on Shirik about debug.failrik() |
| 15:40.01 | Cide | oh, it whispers? nice |
| 15:40.06 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:40.12 | Arrowmaster | purl, tell cide about failrik |
| 15:40.20 | Cide | nice |
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| 15:47.12 | Arrowmaster | im tempted to take pictures of the diagrams in this book to show how shitty they are |
| 15:47.31 | Arrowmaster | but im too lazy to do that |
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| 16:15.39 | jnwhiteh | I AM SO EXCITED about our new flat! |
| 16:15.42 | jnwhiteh | Finally, space! |
| 16:16.01 | Cruciformer | im excited about starting a new job today |
| 16:16.07 | jnwhiteh | congrats! |
| 16:16.13 | Cruciformer | merci :) |
| 16:16.47 | Cruciformer | first time working for a games company too. |
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| 16:17.48 | Fisker | i didn't hear anything about a new flat jnwhiteh :( |
| 16:18.01 | jnwhiteh | lrn2followmeontwitter |
| 16:18.12 | Cruciformer | thats coz he doesnt want you to know hes moved so you can continue to stalk the old place |
| 16:18.13 | Lopeppeppy | Is that why you guys moved, just someplace bigger? |
| 16:18.19 | jnwhiteh | mainly, yea |
| 16:18.24 | jnwhiteh | we're in a really really cramped space |
| 16:18.27 | jnwhiteh | but this new place has everything |
| 16:18.29 | jnwhiteh | closets |
| 16:18.30 | jnwhiteh | a dryer |
| 16:18.33 | jnwhiteh | a dishwasher |
| 16:18.38 | jnwhiteh | desks |
| 16:18.38 | jnwhiteh | space |
| 16:18.50 | Fisker | oxygen |
| 16:18.51 | Lopeppeppy | Laundry? Kick ass. |
| 16:19.01 | jnwhiteh | we had a washer |
| 16:19.03 | jnwhiteh | not a dryer |
| 16:19.14 | jnwhiteh | for two of us, in a very humid climate |
| 16:19.16 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't work =) |
| 16:19.43 | Fisker | do you also get h2o? |
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| 16:19.58 | jnwhiteh | yes, oxygen AND water |
| 16:20.00 | jnwhiteh | such luxuries! |
| 16:20.11 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 16:22.04 | Arrowmaster | stupid fucking quiz questions about stuff never even mentioned in the damn book making me have to go google the answer |
| 16:22.25 | Lopeppeppy | Probably something the prof said in class, I'd guess. |
| 16:22.37 | Lopeppeppy | They do like to be sure you're in class and paying attention. |
| 16:22.39 | Seerah | don't you wish you could google your brain?... :p |
| 16:23.39 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: no im 100% positive it was never mentioned in class |
| 16:23.44 | Gnarfoz | you're saying you didn't upgrade to brain 2.0 yet? |
| 16:24.24 | Fisker | farts in a package and sends it to jnwhiteh |
| 16:24.32 | Fisker | it's a shame though |
| 16:24.50 | Arrowmaster | no Gnarfoz i think all that dynamic loading and rounded corners would have a negative impact |
| 16:25.02 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: but you'd get a BETA! tag |
| 16:25.06 | Lopeppeppy | Well, good luck with google then Arrowmaster. |
| 16:25.21 | Arrowmaster | i found it with google |
| 16:25.46 | Arrowmaster | by finding a post by somebody asking the same question and somebody responding with a link to the microsoft kb page for it |
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| 16:30.13 | cogwheel | Fisker's package smells funny |
| 16:30.30 | zenzelezz | I don't want to know why you were smelling Fisker's "package" |
| 16:30.48 | cogwheel | ask him why he was farting on it... |
| 16:30.55 | Cruciformer | I didnt think packages that small would give off detectable odors |
| 16:31.26 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:31.29 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 16:31.32 | trahma | is there a more elegant way to determine if the player is in a raid other than using UnitInRaid()? |
| 16:31.36 | Fisker | people are mean to me :( |
| 16:31.55 | cogwheel | trahma: how is that inelegant? |
| 16:31.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://notalwaysright.com/error-404-brain-not-found/4252 |
| 16:32.19 | trahma | cogwheel: I'm just tryint make sure there isn't something like a playerInRaid() function |
| 16:32.20 | Arrowmaster | trahma: GetRealNumRaidMember() > 0 |
| 16:32.41 | Cruciformer | how would a PlaterInRaid() differ from UnitInRaid()? |
| 16:32.46 | Arrowmaster | UnitInRaid() is not what you are looking for |
| 16:32.47 | Cruciformer | *PlayerInRaid() |
| 16:32.52 | cogwheel | trahma: extra functions with more specefic purposes that don't do anything differently than the more general function does not elegance make |
| 16:33.06 | trahma | UnitInRaid() requires a character name passed to it |
| 16:33.11 | Fisker | 15. februar 201017:26Ankommet til 708 Ãstjyllands Pakkecenter |
| 16:33.12 | Arrowmaster | unitid |
| 16:33.15 | Fisker | do you understand me cogwheel ? |
| 16:33.18 | cogwheel | so? |
| 16:33.25 | cogwheel | and yeah, unitid |
| 16:33.31 | cogwheel | it's a unit function |
| 16:33.35 | Arrowmaster | and it does not return a boolean value |
| 16:33.43 | Arrowmaster | its an index |
| 16:33.43 | trahma | and IsRaidLeader() exists already when you could get check the index of the raid leader |
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| 16:34.44 | Arrowmaster | you want to use either GetRealNumRaidMembers() > 0 or GetNumRaidMembers() > 0 depending of your usage |
| 16:34.54 | cogwheel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_types#unitID |
| 16:35.29 | trahma | i'm attempting to write a simple addon to automatically ask the player if he/she wants to set the loot type to master looter if he becomes a leader of a raid and it's not set to master looter |
| 16:35.46 | trahma | IsRaidLeader() returns as true though if you're party leader as well |
| 16:35.58 | trahma | so the check i'm using is IsRaidLeader() and lootMethod ~= 'master' right now |
| 16:36.09 | Cide | IsRaidLeader() and GetNumRaidMembers() > 5? |
| 16:36.31 | trahma | cide: true but that would only work if there were more than 5 members in the party atm |
| 16:36.34 | Arrowmaster | IsRaidLeader() and GetRealNumRaidMembers() > 0 |
| 16:36.53 | Cruciformer | a raid can legitimately have 2 people in it |
| 16:37.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 16:37.22 | Arrowmaster | you want the GetRealNumRaidMembers() not GetNumRaidMembers() |
| 16:37.47 | Gagorian | !api GetRealNumRaidMembers |
| 16:37.47 | lua_bot | GetRealNumRaidMembers: Returns the number of members in the player's non-battleground raid (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetRealNumRaidMembers) |
| 16:37.58 | trahma | ah.. is GetRealNumRaidMembers() undocumented? i'm not seeing it on wowwiki |
| 16:38.03 | trahma | makes me feel stupid i didnt see it ;) |
| 16:38.18 | Arrowmaster | wowwiki is not an acceptable source of documentation, use wowprograming.com |
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| 16:39.05 | trahma | works for me |
| 16:39.34 | Cruciformer | for i = 1,40 do local name, rank, _, _,_, _,_, _, _, _. ismasterlooter = GetRaidRosterInfo (i) ... etc ... end |
| 16:39.36 | Arrowmaster | although some things like the CLEU event are better documented on wowwiki |
| 16:39.46 | jnwhiteh | mikma: want to come tank VoA10? :P |
| 16:39.48 | Cruciformer | then check name against player, and ismasterlooter |
| 16:39.53 | Gagorian | You can use both, just remember not everything is documented in wowwiki |
| 16:40.00 | Gagorian | And there's a few errors here and there |
| 16:40.28 | Arrowmaster | lot more errors on wowwiki, if the info exists on both then wowprograming will be the correct one if they differ |
| 16:40.29 | Fisker | i can tank voa10 jnwhiteh |
| 16:40.31 | Cruciformer | and rank is 2 if you are the raid leader, I believe. |
| 16:40.42 | jnwhiteh | You should start with wowprogramming.com, because it always contains the current LIST of API, if nothing else. |
| 16:40.54 | jnwhiteh | IT's always 100% up-to-date with the functions that exist, even if they aren't all documented |
| 16:41.04 | Fisker | i think you should start with <my site>, because it's empty, but it's mine atleast |
| 16:41.12 | jnwhiteh | but you're Fisker. |
| 16:41.12 | trahma | ha |
| 16:41.15 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:41.17 | jnwhiteh | 4chan doesn't have api docs |
| 16:41.30 | Gagorian | Fisker's site is all errors, no facts |
| 16:41.33 | Fisker | 4chan? i wish |
| 16:41.34 | trahma | lua isn't quite as daunting as i thought it would be |
| 16:42.16 | Cruciformer | careful trahma you will run afoul of the capitalisation nazis .. better call it Lua :) |
| 16:42.42 | Arrowmaster | no thats just if you call it LUA |
| 16:42.46 | cogwheel | "daunting" is probably the least likely word i'd choose to describe lua ;) |
| 16:43.30 | trahma | is there something better to use for frame design than wow ui designer? |
| 16:43.32 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, one of lua's great strengths is how ridiculously simple the basics are |
| 16:43.57 | Cruciformer | I wish my boss would show up on skype so I can start my job. |
| 16:44.05 | cogwheel | trahma: if you must use a visual designer, you might take a look at addon studio |
| 16:44.46 | trahma | cogwheel: i think up front i'd just r ather use that until i get more comfortable with lua.. taking on the way the xml frames are generated at the same time is likely to make be want to commit suicide |
| 16:44.54 | Cruciformer | thats the one disadvantage f being a telecommuter, people tend to forget you're waiting for them on skype. |
| 16:44.54 | Arrowmaster | trahma: youll find most people just ignore using xml for creating frames and do it all using the api in lua |
| 16:45.10 | cogwheel | it's certainly more up to date than wow ui designer, but it's still beta quality (microsoft beta quality) |
| 16:45.20 | cogwheel | smacks himself |
| 16:45.29 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, blizzard is the only one who really seems to like doing frames in XML. I suspect they've got an internal-only visual designer |
| 16:45.39 | cogwheel | i suspect they don't |
| 16:45.39 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 16:45.39 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 16:45.42 | jnwhiteh | they use templates |
| 16:45.43 | jnwhiteh | that requires XML |
| 16:45.44 | jnwhiteh | QED |
| 16:45.46 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:45.47 | Gagorian | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetRunningMacro -> How's the concept of running macro defined? |
| 16:45.59 | jnwhiteh | create a macro |
| 16:46.06 | jnwhiteh | in it, do /dump GetRunningMacro() |
| 16:46.07 | nevcairiel | I usually use template methods, but mostly because i suck at xml |
| 16:46.09 | jnwhiteh | and then run the macro |
| 16:46.19 | nevcairiel | if i were more used to it, it would be the same deal |
| 16:46.42 | cogwheel | XML really isn't so bad if your editor is awesome |
| 16:46.46 | jnwhiteh | I <3 templates, they make some things so much easier. |
| 16:46.53 | jnwhiteh | Clique2 is sexy wit templates. |
| 16:47.02 | jnwhiteh | just a few button templates.. but I like it. |
| 16:47.09 | cogwheel | the main problem with XML is all the verbosity you have to remember and type. Decent editors running off the schema will handle all that crap for you |
| 16:47.10 | Cide | yeah, like naming all widgets appropriate and short names |
| 16:47.21 | nevcairiel | I dont see the big advantage of templates that i couldnt do with Lua myself |
| 16:47.32 | nevcairiel | not saying that XML is bad, i just think its pure personal preference |
| 16:47.51 | cogwheel | declarative vs imperative imo |
| 16:47.55 | jnwhiteh | I can validate my XML =) |
| 16:48.03 | cogwheel | unless you're using a table-based frame generator |
| 16:48.05 | jnwhiteh | and I <3 that. |
| 16:48.26 | Cide | LIKE CT_LIBRARY YEAH |
| 16:48.31 | trahma | when you guys refer to templates, there is there a writeup on those somewhere? |
| 16:48.32 | nevcairiel | luac validates my lua |
| 16:48.33 | nevcairiel | :d |
| 16:48.41 | jnwhiteh | trahma: there's a chapter in the book about it |
| 16:48.58 | trahma | haha.., suppose that's my queue to buy the book ;) |
| 16:49.06 | cogwheel | cue |
| 16:49.07 | cogwheel | :P |
| 16:49.17 | Cruciformer | lol u beat me cogwheel |
| 16:49.17 | trahma | truth |
| 16:49.19 | jnwhiteh | i'm sure there's a writeup somewhere, maybe. |
| 16:49.27 | Cide | cue* |
| 16:49.28 | jnwhiteh | i just know what's in th ebook for sure =) |
| 16:49.28 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: curious, did my online validator get thrown in the second edition? |
| 16:49.29 | Arrowmaster | trahma: if you look at the FrameXML and see objects in the xml files with 'virtual=true' those are templates |
| 16:49.32 | jnwhiteh | also BagBuddy <3 |
| 16:49.47 | nevcairiel | wtf is bagbuddy? |
| 16:49.47 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: not a link to it, no. |
| 16:49.55 | jnwhiteh | I'll be implementing it on the site |
| 16:50.00 | jnwhiteh | or maybe I did |
| 16:50.01 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure tb |
| 16:50.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 16:51.30 | trahma | jnwhiteh: you need to offer a "order the book and download the ebook now" option ;) |
| 16:51.42 | jnwhiteh | i'll tell the publishers =) |
| 16:52.01 | nevcairiel | yeah something like that should really come as an ebook |
| 16:52.15 | trahma | given the option, i'd buy it immediately and download |
| 16:52.17 | jnwhiteh | meh |
| 16:52.23 | jnwhiteh | 700+ pages of it are avail on wowprogramming.com |
| 16:52.25 | nevcairiel | i hate handling such a big book at the comp trying to complete a tutorial in it |
| 16:52.26 | jnwhiteh | but yea |
| 16:52.36 | trahma | now i need to go shower, put real clothes on, and go out into the cold |
| 16:52.36 | jnwhiteh | if we do any more editions, I suspect we'll split it somehow |
| 16:52.42 | jnwhiteh | !addon BagBuddy |
| 16:52.47 | lua_bot | BagBuddy (v. 1.0) last updated Sun Dec 6 15:44 (http://is.gd/8rf6F) |
| 16:52.48 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: ^^ |
| 16:53.24 | nevcairiel | hm not a bad idea |
| 16:53.29 | jnwhiteh | its what you make in ch 11 - 15 |
| 16:53.31 | jnwhiteh | or some shit like that =) |
| 16:53.35 | jnwhiteh | 9 - 14 maybe. |
| 16:54.49 | nevcairiel | i was wondering how to improve my bags |
| 16:55.03 | nevcairiel | the good ol' simple one-big-bag isnt making me happy anymore |
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| 16:55.10 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:57.52 | Cairenn | <3 |
| 16:58.42 | alestane | nevcairiel: I adore Baggins. |
| 16:58.54 | alestane | (Although I have a bag mod of my own in the design stage) |
| 16:59.25 | nevcairiel | those automagic categorizing addons i never liked, for some reason or another |
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| 17:04.28 | Gryzvwald | whenever you add an edgefile to a backdrop does it always appear inside the frame? is there anyway to make it appear outside the frame and surround it? |
| 17:06.10 | Fisker | i troll u Cairenn |
| 17:06.18 | Cairenn | this is new, how? |
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| 17:06.41 | nevcairiel | Gryzvwald: you can always increase the size of the backdrop to compensate |
| 17:07.20 | Gryzvwald | thank you nev. i figured that might be the case. |
| 17:07.33 | Lunessa | Cairenn: <3 <3 |
| 17:07.39 | Cairenn | :) |
| 17:10.58 | Lunessa | Fisker: http://ihasahotdog.com/upcoming/?pid=9796 - this is you. |
| 17:11.55 | Fisker | naw |
| 17:13.32 | Fisker | awww |
| 17:13.39 | Fisker | i wanted to kill sindragosa |
| 17:14.05 | Lunessa | Sindragosa, what has happened to yo? |
| 17:18.27 | Lopeppeppy | I got hungry? |
| 17:23.37 | Lunessa | Pure comedy gold: http://failbooking.com/2010/02/13/funny-facebook-fails-no-babies-pl/ |
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| 18:02.32 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/framed_yeaaah.jpg |
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| 18:04.23 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 18:07.56 | mikma | i want that. i really do |
| 18:08.45 | Fisker | ~seen sixen |
| 18:08.49 | purl | sixen <~Sixen@173-25-23-10.client.mchsi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1d 22h 34m 48s ago, saying: 'fisker, what's my fault? :('. |
| 18:09.20 | Fisker | :( |
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| 18:29.45 | Dagmar | http://www.sc2mapster.com/polls/your-level-of-respect-for-wow-classes-by-archetype/?results |
| 18:29.59 | Dagmar | SOmehow the melee hunter gets more respect than the ranged DPS rogue |
| 18:30.02 | Dagmar | hahahh |
| 18:30.39 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 18:30.43 | jnwhiteh | do they have ranged DK on there? |
| 18:30.51 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Miscellaneous&diff=prev&oldid=344227140 |
| 18:30.55 | Shirik | Fisker, is that you? |
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| 18:37.03 | Fisker | no i wouldn't |
| 18:38.44 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca#Weapons.2C_armor.2C_and_warfare <-finally fixed it after a week :( |
| 18:40.13 | Shirik | bad Fisker |
| 18:40.51 | Fisker | i wouldn't Shirik |
| 18:40.56 | Shirik | yes you would |
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| 18:41.18 | Fisker | i wouldn't |
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| 18:56.29 | Vilkku | is there anything that can be done about player names looking craptastic when they are a bit further away from you, or you have a high camera distance? |
| 18:56.41 | zenzelezz | turn off player names |
| 18:56.51 | Vilkku | other than that |
| 18:56.57 | Vilkku | and also other than enabling name plates |
| 18:59.13 | Lopeppeppy | define "looking craptastic" I guess? |
| 19:00.05 | zenzelezz | looking like crap |
| 19:00.26 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing the distance makes the names small enough that it's hard to get a good representation of the words |
| 19:00.59 | Seerah | or scale size of the font for further away.... |
| 19:01.07 | tekkub | small moving text never looks good on an LCD |
| 19:02.13 | zenzelezz | don't recall it looking good on CRTs either, but back when CRTs were in use the software sucked :-p |
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| 19:03.39 | Fisker | hey zenzelezz |
| 19:03.52 | zenzelezz | hi Fisker-luv |
| 19:04.13 | Fisker | shh jnwhiteh can't know |
| 19:04.27 | zenzelezz | k |
| 19:06.22 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: all the stuff that goes into making anti-aliased vector-driven fonts readable at arbitrary resolutions becomes markedly more complex when the colors behind/under it are more or less "random crap" |
| 19:06.32 | cogwheel | Wow needs a new font rendering subsystem imo |
| 19:07.08 | Fisker | cogwheel needs a new rendering system |
| 19:07.11 | Dagmar | If there was a way to add heavy outline to the playernames, it would help a bit |
| 19:07.27 | Dagmar | It would look more like ass, but be more readable, probably |
| 19:08.00 | cogwheel | Fisker: you might be a redneck |
| 19:08.12 | cogwheel | jus' sayin |
| 19:09.40 | cogwheel | Dagmar: i think the reason the nameplates are such crap is that they just render them onto polys in the game world |
| 19:10.58 | Lopeppeppy | renders cogwheel. Mmmm, soap! |
| 19:11.02 | Dagmar | I am not so sure about that actually |
| 19:11.36 | cogwheel | Dagmar: even if they're not in the game world, they're still rendered onto polys and scaled by the gfx card |
| 19:11.37 | Dagmar | They're never at an angle to the viewer, and they don't have the odd texture blur I'm used to seeing from sharp-edged textures being put on a surface |
| 19:11.53 | cogwheel | Dagmar: well yeah, the polys are always face-on |
| 19:11.57 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 19:12.02 | cogwheel | and yes, they do have the texture blur |
| 19:12.13 | Dagmar | The background coloring issue is huge tho |
| 19:12.21 | cogwheel | nah, that's just an alpha map |
| 19:12.34 | Dagmar | No, it actually affects how the anti-aliasing happens |
| 19:12.52 | cogwheel | textures aren't antialiased |
| 19:12.55 | cogwheel | only poly edges |
| 19:13.29 | Dagmar | This I'm familiar with because when Freetype first got anti-aliasing, I had to do some gymnastics to get it to not su-u-u-u-uck rendering light text on a dark background |
| 19:14.15 | alestane | Gods, couldn't get out of that group fast enough. |
| 19:14.58 | Dagmar | Vector fonts aren't happy at arbitrary point sizes |
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| 19:15.27 | Dagmar | MS puts a lot of precooked data into their fonts to help at some point sizes |
| 19:15.38 | cogwheel | it's called hinting |
| 19:15.44 | Dagmar | I know |
| 19:16.10 | zenzelezz | arbitrary in what way; small, or just random? |
| 19:16.12 | cogwheel | it's not nearly as much of an issue now that we have subpixel rendering |
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| 19:16.28 | Arrowmaster | its also why so called 'standard' fonts like the mscorewebfonts look like crap on linux |
| 19:16.39 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Arbitrary in "not one of the specific, planned-for sizes" |
| 19:16.40 | cogwheel | i'm pretty sure none of the new "C" fonts in vista/office 2k7 weren't hinted |
| 19:16.47 | Arrowmaster | since the builtin hinting is ignored and an autohinter is used |
| 19:16.54 | alestane | There seems to be an ass in every BFD group who thinks it's funny to light every brazier at once. |
| 19:16.54 | cogwheel | s/weren't/were/ |
| 19:16.59 | Dagmar | It has to be ignored, it's patented and we're being nice to Apple |
| 19:17.16 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: I thought the whole point of vectorness was to make it good at non-specific sizes |
| 19:17.29 | Arrowmaster | cogwheel: all those fonts were specifically designed for cleartype and as a result look fucking horrible and unreadable with cleartype disabled |
| 19:17.30 | nevcairiel | screw the hinting patents, just move out of the US already |
| 19:17.33 | Dagmar | No, it was to make it possible at non-specific sizes |
| 19:17.36 | cogwheel | alestane: did you finish? if not i could run you through in ~1/2 hour |
| 19:17.53 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: s/cleartype/subpixel rendering/ |
| 19:17.58 | Dagmar | You still wind up with issues from strokes that wind up being *.5 pixels thick and so on |
| 19:18.02 | alestane | cogwheel: Yes, I finished. I've finished about five times now. Just this time I finally remembered to get all the quests. |
| 19:18.03 | Arrowmaster | there is a difference |
| 19:18.19 | nevcairiel | i dunno, i managed to configure my font renderes to look pretty good on linux |
| 19:18.26 | Arrowmaster | subpixel rendering has existed long before cleartype |
| 19:18.26 | nevcairiel | took alot of effort special case handling |
| 19:18.26 | cogwheel | not as far as those fonts are concerned. all it means is that they didn't bother hinting |
| 19:18.27 | nevcairiel | but hey |
| 19:18.36 | nevcairiel | mostly due to people hard-coding font names in web pages |
| 19:18.44 | cogwheel | and they look just as good under other subpixel systems as any other font would |
| 19:18.49 | Dagmar | Before we had TTFs fonts were just bitmaps drawn at every allowable/applicable size |
| 19:19.06 | cogwheel | and yes, they look like crap without subpixel rendering, but so do all non-hinted fonts |
| 19:19.15 | Dagmar | Hinting becomes much more necessary at small font sizes |
| 19:19.32 | Arrowmaster | http://freddie.witherden.org/pages/font-rasterisation/ is a good read |
| 19:19.36 | Dagmar | Spesh for fancy fonts |
| 19:20.19 | Dagmar | Fonts with a bold stroke and spaces between the strokes that's much smaller than the stroke itself (like Impact, for example) start looking like mush at small sizes |
| 19:20.53 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Figure 2 illustrates the issue well |
| 19:23.49 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: That URL covers the issue a *lot* better than I expected |
| 19:24.15 | Arrowmaster | :) |
| 19:25.25 | Dagmar | Looks like Aloft has a sort-of-working version |
| 19:26.17 | Dagmar | I'll throw it at my DK later and see how it works out |
| 19:26.20 | Arrowmaster | of? |
| 19:26.26 | Dagmar | It's a nameplate mod |
| 19:26.31 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 19:26.36 | Dagmar | 'member how I said ThickOUtline would help? |
| 19:26.44 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 19:26.49 | Arrowmaster | i joined the conversation late |
| 19:26.56 | Dagmar | Ah, well I did because I think it would |
| 19:27.11 | Dagmar | A big part of the problem as I see it is what's appearing behind that text |
| 19:27.39 | Dagmar | Eyes need some good contrast, and with arbitrary colors floating around behind the text, it's nigh impossible to get it sometimes |
| 19:28.18 | Dagmar | My DK is the only toon I use nameplates on, since I actually have to be able to see clearly through all the glowy |
| 19:28.49 | Dagmar | That Coren Direbrew fight was a nightmare for me without 'em |
| 19:29.16 | Dagmar | All I could see on the screen was **REDGLOWY** and a bunch of silhouettes of dwarves |
| 19:29.32 | Dagmar | I couldn't even reliably tell which one was me in all the soup |
| 19:31.16 | cogwheel | O.o http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2268280/creating-an-online-windows-2003-emulator-best-program-to-use |
| 19:32.20 | Fisker | haha wtf |
| 19:32.24 | Fisker | in b4 licensing issues |
| 19:32.45 | Fisker | though i guess he'll be stuck at implementation anyway |
| 19:41.47 | NeoTron | Man this Xfinity internet service sounds great! Like Tony the Tiger! |
| 19:41.58 | Lunessa | cogwheel: .... |
| 19:43.06 | Dagmar | 'cept Tony's been smoking the monopoly pipe |
| 19:46.33 | Kraps | what the best place to quest at 50? |
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| 19:46.50 | nevcairiel | wpl, ungoro |
| 19:47.15 | foxlit | felwood, winterspring |
| 19:47.16 | Amarande | Kraps: the dungeon finder. :D |
| 19:47.24 | Kraps | Amarande: haha |
| 19:47.32 | Amarande | winterspring? okay, MAYBE if you're a hunter heh |
| 19:47.39 | Amarande | otherwise you'll probably die a horrible death trying to do that at 50 |
| 19:47.48 | nevcairiel | yeah felwood too, winterspring i would do afterwards, then |
| 19:47.54 | Kraps | i need a break now and then from lfd |
| 19:47.56 | nevcairiel | for 50 it might be a bit harsh |
| 19:47.58 | Amarande | hunters seem to have a preternatural ability to kill mobs that would kill anyone else though :S |
| 19:48.09 | Amarande | like elites 3 levels above, normal mobs 5-6 levels above ... |
| 19:49.17 | Kraps | i like felwood |
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| 19:50.17 | Lopeppeppy | There are some quests in Winterspring you *could* do at 50... but more like 55, yeah. It ties in with the Plaguelands. |
| 19:52.26 | cogwheel | felwood should get you to winterspring |
| 19:52.49 | cogwheel | and if you don't hit 58 by the end of WS you can diddle around in Silithus or EPL |
| 19:53.03 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 19:53.03 | cogwheel | (assuming you have heirlooms) |
| 19:53.14 | Dagmar | Heirlooms. I completely forogt about those |
| 19:53.20 | Lopeppeppy | I always hated how many areas I had to choose from, in the 50-60 range. |
| 19:53.31 | Lopeppeppy | I wouldn't know an heirloom if it bit me. |
| 19:53.37 | Dagmar | Here I am twinking a 'lock with gold |
| 19:55.10 | ScytheBlade1 | http://media.bestofmicro.com/1/I/238518/original/EMO%20Button.jpg in the Western Digital R&D facility |
| 19:55.14 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Dagmar |
| 19:55.14 | purl | Dagmar: FAIL! |
| 19:56.40 | Dagmar | It's not as simple as that, thankfully |
| 19:56.46 | Dagmar | I have PILES of stonekeeper's shards |
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| 19:57.13 | Dagmar | Leveling with some PvP gear might not be idea |
| 19:57.14 | Dagmar | er ieadl |
| 19:57.24 | Dagmar | *glares* ideal. |
| 19:57.53 | Dagmar | However, 10% XP bonus is hard to sneer at, even at 56 |
| 19:58.15 | Kraps | 20 you mean |
| 19:58.20 | Dagmar | 10 per piece |
| 19:58.28 | Kraps | yeah so? |
| 19:59.36 | Kraps | i have to ride from auberdine :( |
| 19:59.46 | nevcairiel | to felwood? ouch |
| 20:00.04 | nevcairiel | at least pick up the ashenvale flight on your way |
| 20:00.13 | Kraps | course |
| 20:00.24 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Leveling with PVP wouldn't be so bad either? |
| 20:00.48 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I gotta make sure it's not going to pose a collision with the Dreadmist stuff |
| 20:01.44 | Lunessa | The PVP shoulder heirlooms work just fine for leveling. They are, in fact, quite luscious. |
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| 20:04.05 | Dagmar | Yeah looks like they'll doo |
| 20:05.02 | nevcairiel | no badges to get the other heirlooms? |
| 20:05.51 | Dagmar | Badges of Frost get spent on my main. |
| 20:05.56 | Dagmar | I've got >1000 stonekeeper's shards tho |
| 20:06.07 | nevcairiel | it requires the lowest form of badges |
| 20:06.20 | Dagmar | I was planning on saving up and just doing a whole herloom set on whatever I twink for Cata |
| 20:06.38 | Lunessa | I think you can get them with Champion's Seals too, no? |
| 20:06.43 | Dagmar | I'm not exactly swimming in the other badges either |
| 20:06.49 | Dagmar | I bought a pony |
| 20:06.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: some pieces, yes |
| 20:06.56 | Lunessa | Me too. |
| 20:07.00 | nevcairiel | i was sitting on those old naxxramas badges |
| 20:07.03 | nevcairiel | nothing to buy with them |
| 20:07.10 | Dagmar | Pony == hopefully never being _that_ hunter, you know, the one who runs out of ammo |
| 20:07.12 | nevcairiel | so i got heirlooms in two armor types |
| 20:07.26 | NightHawkTheSane | my main keeps accumulating triumphs.. |
| 20:07.38 | zenzelezz | better than accumulating failures |
| 20:07.43 | NightHawkTheSane | so i have a full set of caster & plate dps heirloom.. |
| 20:07.58 | Lunessa | I have lots of alts. I had lots of stonekeeper shards and lots of useless emblems from my main. My alts now all have spiffy gear. |
| 20:08.09 | NightHawkTheSane | all my shards get turned into gems. |
| 20:08.36 | Lunessa | The PvP weapons from stonekeeper shards are verrrrra nice. |
| 20:08.49 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, the caster one has hit on it.. i do kinda like that |
| 20:09.35 | Lunessa | And you can slap the level 60 enchants on them, like Crusader or Lifestealing. |
| 20:10.07 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. except the good caster enchants are all stupidly annoying to get |
| 20:10.14 | Lopeppeppy | I remember farming FOREVER for the Crusader recipe with a friend... |
| 20:10.15 | Lunessa | My warrior has two of the Bloodied Arcanite Reapers with Crusader on them |
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| 20:10.38 | Lunessa | And my rogue has a sword and a dagger with lifestealing |
| 20:10.53 | Lunessa | it is deliciously good for leveling and lulz. |
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| 20:11.40 | Lopeppeppy | Can't wait to re-roll Peppy as a healer. |
| 20:12.08 | Dagmar | Oh lord |
| 20:12.18 | Dagmar | I need a Report Spam button for these Elders |
| 20:12.23 | Dagmar | It's like they put my name on a list or something |
| 20:12.45 | nevcairiel | they did |
| 20:12.49 | Lopeppeppy | They love you. |
| 20:12.52 | Lopeppeppy | They want your attention. |
| 20:12.55 | nevcairiel | when you visited them, they wrote you down |
| 20:13.08 | Lunessa | We are elders of Borg. We will flood you with lucky red envelopes. Your uniqueness will be crushed by our own. |
| 20:13.11 | Lopeppeppy | They gave the list to Greatfather Winter, too. |
| 20:13.55 | Lunessa | Actually, I think the Elders are using Google Buzz. |
| 20:14.09 | Lunessa | oooo.. topical! |
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| 20:15.21 | Lopeppeppy | Hateful, Lunessa! *poke* |
| 20:15.45 | Lopeppeppy | I am going to be unexcited if TKFT winds up with my gmail information because of how Buzz shared my info around... |
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| 20:16.07 | Shadowed | The fucking something something? |
| 20:16.21 | Lopeppeppy | Team Killing Fuck Tard |
| 20:16.26 | Lopeppeppy | Red vs. Blue |
| 20:16.33 | alestane | AKA the ex. |
| 20:16.34 | nevcairiel | Its rather funny, everyone loves facebook and twitter, but when google starts a thing, everyone hates? |
| 20:16.36 | nevcairiel | why is that? |
| 20:16.48 | nevcairiel | (i hate them all equally, for the record) |
| 20:16.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate facebook and twitter |
| 20:16.59 | alestane | nevcairiel: It wasn't just that it was by Google, their default privacy settings are "not". |
| 20:17.11 | Lopeppeppy | It's the privacy issues. |
| 20:17.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Facebook boils down to a room full of people yelling at each other |
| 20:17.22 | nevcairiel | my buzz was by default empty |
| 20:17.30 | nevcairiel | no connections, no entrys, no public profile, no anything |
| 20:17.33 | nevcairiel | what did i do right? |
| 20:17.35 | Lopeppeppy | Facebook at least *asked* me first who I wanted to be friends with. My Buzz was right full of people I did NOT want. |
| 20:18.15 | Shadowed | yea mine had some people on it |
| 20:18.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Seeing as my google account is not gmail, mine was empty |
| 20:18.55 | Cairenn | didn't sign up for Buzz, was waiting to hear the feedback .... and is so far very glad she hasn't |
| 20:18.56 | ScytheBlade1 | =) |
| 20:19.40 | nevcairiel | If i understand all the flame, you dont have to sign up for buzz, google does that with your gmail account by itself |
| 20:19.44 | Shadowed | you don't sign up for it thought :p |
| 20:19.45 | nevcairiel | except .. that it didnt for me |
| 20:19.46 | Shadowed | yea |
| 20:19.53 | nevcairiel | mine is still empty |
| 20:19.54 | tekkub | I like it |
| 20:19.59 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, stay away for a while, Cairenn. Maybe in a few weeks, when they add in the privacy features. |
| 20:20.08 | tekkub | but then I've always hate twit's 140 limit and facebooks game bullshit |
| 20:20.23 | Shadowed | but I love island paradise |
| 20:20.24 | Shadowed | don't you |
| 20:20.34 | nevcairiel | Did you guys actually have a public google profile before, that it could've converted? |
| 20:20.39 | Lopeppeppy | Phloston Island Paradise? |
| 20:20.40 | Shadowed | don't think so nevcairiel |
| 20:20.44 | nevcairiel | since i always opted out of that profile |
| 20:20.45 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, NO. Very no. |
| 20:20.47 | nevcairiel | and now my buzz is empty |
| 20:21.01 | tekkub | I had one, but it was basically empty |
| 20:21.08 | ScytheBlade1 | It added contacts from your gmail contacts |
| 20:21.18 | nevcairiel | i have gmail contacts, but buzz is still empty |
| 20:21.58 | nevcairiel | maybe its just honoring german privacy laws more then US laws :D |
| 20:21.59 | ScytheBlade1 | odd |
| 20:22.00 | Lopeppeppy | Either you're lucky, or you got in after Google locked down the auto-add-everyone-and-their-dog shit. |
| 20:22.02 | jnwhiteh | Anyone want to help me spoof an achievement link? |
| 20:22.26 | Shadowed | jnwhiteh: ? |
| 20:22.30 | tekkub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Vvb26vNno&feature=player_embedded |
| 20:22.32 | Shadowed | there's an addon that does it |
| 20:22.36 | jnwhiteh | 14 runs on my server |
| 20:22.39 | jnwhiteh | all needing a healer |
| 20:22.41 | jnwhiteh | for ICC10 |
| 20:22.44 | jnwhiteh | which I'm overegeared for |
| 20:22.47 | jnwhiteh | and not one will fucking take me. |
| 20:22.51 | Shadowed | hang on |
| 20:22.51 | nevcairiel | and everyone wants a kill achievement? |
| 20:22.56 | Lopeppeppy | But they won't take you because you've never been. |
| 20:22.58 | jnwhiteh | every single fucking person |
| 20:23.00 | Shadowed | jnwhiteh: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/underachiever.aspx |
| 20:23.09 | nevcairiel | i've actually never had that problem |
| 20:23.12 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. I'm never going to go on any dungeon runs. *laugh* |
| 20:23.15 | nevcairiel | how much are they asking for, boss wise? |
| 20:23.18 | foxlit | I've never had that problem. |
| 20:23.24 | foxlit | And you're on my server. |
| 20:23.26 | jnwhiteh | full 4 |
| 20:23.27 | jnwhiteh | for ICC10 |
| 20:23.36 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: am I now, same side? |
| 20:23.42 | foxlit | Alliance |
| 20:23.49 | jnwhiteh | ED? |
| 20:23.56 | jnwhiteh | Well then apparently I'm a fucking moron. |
| 20:23.58 | foxlit | eu |
| 20:24.01 | jnwhiteh | Or, it's actually happening, right now. |
| 20:24.28 | nevcairiel | are you in a guild? |
| 20:24.30 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 20:24.33 | jnwhiteh | well I am in a guild |
| 20:24.36 | jnwhiteh | that consists of myself |
| 20:24.38 | jnwhiteh | and mikma's alts. |
| 20:24.47 | nevcairiel | that'll make people suspicous, somewhat |
| 20:24.56 | jnwhiteh | .. suspicious? |
| 20:24.57 | jnwhiteh | of what? |
| 20:24.59 | jnwhiteh | I'm a fucking healer. |
| 20:25.04 | jnwhiteh | what am I going to do? |
| 20:25.05 | mitchnull | just tell them you wrote <insert fameous addon here> |
| 20:25.14 | nevcairiel | not heal :P |
| 20:25.22 | mitchnull | (preferably one you actually wrote :) |
| 20:25.22 | Shadowed | just spoof achievements |
| 20:25.25 | Lopeppeppy | Be a neeeeenja. |
| 20:25.26 | Shadowed | then get the real ones and you're set |
| 20:25.29 | jnwhiteh | so.. because i'm in a guild they don't recognize.. I'm not going to eal them in a raid? |
| 20:25.39 | Thunder_Child | mitchnull: thats the worst idea |
| 20:25.44 | jnwhiteh | boggles |
| 20:25.48 | Thunder_Child | then that*want* things |
| 20:25.51 | Thunder_Child | they* |
| 20:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much, jnwhiteh. |
| 20:25.54 | nevcairiel | i dont say they are being reasonable |
| 20:26.02 | Thunder_Child | seems sleep didnt help my typing |
| 20:26.07 | nevcairiel | but if you're not in a proper guild, they dont trust your abilitiys |
| 20:26.43 | foxlit | [That is actually going on, at least to some degree -- I've had people tell me "Oh, you're in <X>. I don't need to see your identification"] |
| 20:26.47 | Cairenn | jnwhiteh: it's a very simple explanation |
| 20:26.52 | Cairenn | jnwhiteh: people are asshats |
| 20:26.54 | jnwhiteh | no, we're not even getting to this point, nevcairiel. |
| 20:26.55 | Lopeppeppy | insert observation about correlation, causality, and GearScore. |
| 20:28.12 | nevcairiel | hell i don't have kill achievements higher then the first wing and one boss in the second, yet i always get asked if i want to come |
| 20:28.14 | foxlit | Maybe we have an oversupply of druids, or something. |
| 20:28.25 | jnwhiteh | nope, some were asking for druids. |
| 20:28.29 | foxlit | I typically just list myself in LFR and wait for someone to whisper. |
| 20:28.33 | nevcairiel | dunno were thats coming from in your case, then |
| 20:28.38 | jnwhiteh | have been for an our. |
| 20:28.40 | jnwhiteh | hour. |
| 20:28.59 | foxlit | [Though 3.3 seems to have dismantled LFR] |
| 20:29.09 | jnwhiteh | how so? |
| 20:29.25 | foxlit | There seem to be less groups in it when I look |
| 20:29.30 | nevcairiel | to be fair i've been on that realm for 4 years, being the raid leader of a #1-#3 guild may have helped with people knowing me :d |
| 20:29.40 | foxlit | And I somewhat dislike the interface -- splitting people and groups was silly. |
| 20:29.45 | nevcairiel | even when i didnt play for half a year anymore |
| 20:30.16 | jnwhiteh | Everyone's who's played with me has been tickled pink with my healing |
| 20:30.27 | jnwhiteh | apparently none of them are on. |
| 20:30.34 | Shadowed | yea jnwhiteh |
| 20:30.35 | Shadowed | people are idiots |
| 20:30.36 | Shadowed | :p |
| 20:30.53 | Thunder_Child | i'd be disturbed if your healing tickled me |
| 20:30.54 | foxlit | Try getting some semi regular thing with calendar going. That seemed to work back in 3.0 |
| 20:31.01 | tekkub | don't let them die and they think you're the greatestest |
| 20:31.37 | jnwhiteh | how can I get a regular thing going? |
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| 20:33.20 | Kraps | so yesterday |
| 20:33.23 | nevcairiel | alot of those groups looking there probably even are some regular thing, who just miss a healer .. so talk someone into taking you, or forge achievements and get it over with once, and try to stick with those people, if they are good |
| 20:33.39 | jnwhiteh | worse yet.. no one even responds to me. |
| 20:33.44 | jnwhiteh | i'm just ignored. |
| 20:33.45 | jnwhiteh | >< |
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| 20:34.42 | Cairenn | :( |
| 20:34.50 | Fisker | i respond to you jnwhiteh :( |
| 20:38.56 | Lopeppeppy | I'm trying to re-create my boss's brain, and it's not going so well. Rawr. |
| 20:39.12 | mitchnull | jnwhiteh: just out of curiousity, what's your character's name? :) |
| 20:39.19 | jnwhiteh | Derwydd, why? |
| 20:39.22 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: My experience is that a healer or a tank get snapped up pretty fast for LFD stuff, but very few groups do anything past the initial dungeon for which they were matched. |
| 20:39.31 | jnwhiteh | LFD is no issue =) |
| 20:39.34 | jnwhiteh | its the raids I can't get into |
| 20:39.53 | jnwhiteh | took me forever to break into ToC, believe it or not. |
| 20:39.59 | mitchnull | jnwhiteh: well, a name like legolas or arsehat would explain the non-answers :) |
| 20:40.05 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 20:40.32 | jnwhiteh | how long does ICC first four bosses take anyway? |
| 20:40.50 | nevcairiel | an hour, maybe 90min |
| 20:40.58 | nevcairiel | if you're not hurrying |
| 20:41.03 | jnwhiteh | yea i had time for that.. 40 minutes ago. |
| 20:41.16 | Stanzilla | we did everything up to arthas in 1:40 or so |
| 20:41.28 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: You're playing on EU servers right? |
| 20:41.34 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 20:41.54 | Kraps | Lunessa: to use a quote from Walter, "welcome to LFD, get yer shit and get out!" |
| 20:41.59 | Lunessa | I'd drag you to our raids (when I can make them happen!GRR!) but wrong country. |
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| 20:45.22 | mikma | jnwhiteh: sorry was busy getting a haircut and doing homework |
| 20:45.29 | jnwhiteh | np, long done now |
| 20:45.35 | jnwhiteh | i'm going togc as boomkin, i guess. |
| 20:45.51 | mikma | cool |
| 20:46.16 | mikma | i could have come and tanked, but wife is playing Left 4 Dead on my pc |
| 20:48.27 | jnwhiteh | lol =) |
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| 20:51.45 | Lunessa | Kirin Tor US Realm forum. Never will you find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. |
| 20:52.41 | Cairenn | arches an eyebrow at Lunessa, that's my server |
| 20:53.27 | Lunessa | Cairenn: It's probably all realm forums. They're like septic tanks. Full of shit and the big lumps rise to the top. |
| 20:53.36 | mikma | thats what lunessa did mean anyway |
| 20:53.52 | Cairenn | oh, you said the forum |
| 20:53.53 | Cairenn | okay |
| 20:54.10 | Dagmar | Forums: They're what happens when you don't beat your kids. |
| 20:54.25 | cogwheel | Cairenn: i'm in ur server raidin ur dungeons! |
| 20:54.28 | Cairenn | not all forums, but yeah, the blizz forums definitely |
| 20:54.33 | Cairenn | cogwheel: heh |
| 20:54.43 | Lunessa | huggles Cairenn (even if she plays on secret alts and won't let me power-level her though level 80 content so she can raid with me). |
| 20:54.54 | Cairenn | huggles Lunessa |
| 20:56.48 | cogwheel | she's so sneekeh |
| 20:56.52 | foxlit | The Lich King needs a "Shut up and wipe our raid already" option |
| 20:56.53 | Cairenn | fwiw, even if I was actively playing, I'm not sure you could talk me into raiding to save my life, I had enough years of that back in EQ |
| 20:56.57 | mikma | focha |
| 20:57.14 | Lunessa | Cairenn: With us, it's different. |
| 20:57.23 | mikma | wipe and lol |
| 20:57.33 | mikma | i mean, learn and lol |
| 20:57.40 | mikma | no wait, lol and lol |
| 20:57.49 | Dagmar | NOW you've got it right |
| 20:57.51 | Lunessa | *cries* My favorite late-night eatery burned to the ground today. |
| 20:57.57 | cogwheel | :'( |
| 20:58.05 | Lunessa | http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7278188 |
| 20:58.14 | cogwheel | at least it wasn't your favorite late-night drinkery? |
| 20:58.34 | Lunessa | True that cog. |
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| 21:05.01 | Thunder_Child | tekkub: http://www.playfractal.com/ |
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| 21:12.13 | elec29a | damn my imp did run away with all my gold |
| 21:12.23 | Lopeppeppy | They do that. Nasty hussies. |
| 21:12.36 | elec29a | lol |
| 21:13.59 | Lopeppeppy | Wait, that's the succubus, nevermind. |
| 21:14.31 | Lunessa | I once joked that warlocks take a long vacation from adventuring when they first obtain a succubus. |
| 21:15.44 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 21:16.28 | Dagmar | Cost of de-spec after not playing a lock since BC: Free |
| 21:16.41 | Dagmar | Cookie-cutter warlock specs: Free |
| 21:16.55 | Dagmar | Forgetting to spec to have a @!#$@ Felguard: 1g |
| 21:17.20 | Dagmar | At least the dreadsteed was cheap |
| 21:17.58 | elec29a | is there some way to see in a makro when i get the soulfire buff ? i want 1 button for shadowbolt and soulfire |
| 21:18.16 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 21:18.24 | alestane | Your macro can't pick Soul Fire based on whether you have the buff, no. |
| 21:18.25 | Dagmar | That would fall under "the client playing the toon for you" |
| 21:18.38 | elec29a | no dont say that cry... |
| 21:18.41 | Dagmar | Stuff that requires decision-making is seldom something that can be macro'd |
| 21:18.49 | alestane | You can add a modifier so you hold shift and it casts Soul Fire instead, though. |
| 21:19.12 | alestane | Or if you click action buttons, left-click for one and right-click for the other. |
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| 21:19.35 | alestane | But it can't automatically do Soul Fire whenever you have the buff without you checking and telling it so. |
| 21:19.47 | Dagmar | Now this isn't to say that you can't use PowerAuras to make it BLISTERINGLY OBVIOUS as to whether or not you have a given buff |
| 21:19.59 | elec29a | yes left right could be a solution |
| 21:20.39 | elec29a | so at least i dont need to move my mouse |
| 21:21.04 | Amarande | Lunessa: no, the long vacation is the stupidly long trek you have to take to get a succubus :) |
| 21:21.13 | Amarande | plus the amount of time you spend dead in the process |
| 21:21.22 | Amarande | since you have to cross a bloody 30-40 zone at 20 :) |
| 21:21.40 | Lunessa | Amarande: Or go the long way around. |
| 21:22.08 | alestane | I believe Amarande was heading for the south end of the Thandol Span. |
| 21:22.12 | Lunessa | However, I did the quest on a PVP server, going the "direct" way - and it resulted in no less that 40 deaths. |
| 21:22.30 | Lunessa | s/that/than |
| 21:22.47 | elec29a | are you a good warlock ? |
| 21:23.13 | alestane | I, on the other hand, went through Dustwallow at level 21, tried to get directions from a Forsaken (didn't work so well) and got killed by the Camp T guards before I figured out where I needed to go. |
| 21:23.31 | Dagmar | Stuff like that is why I don't do PvP servers |
| 21:23.32 | Lunessa | I don't know. Back in classic, a demonology warlock was worth nothing more than a free kill on a PVP server. |
| 21:24.16 | elec29a | i make 16kdps on trash in ICC25 thats enough for me i love demon |
| 21:25.17 | Lunessa | ... my warlock is one of 7 level 80 characters. I play him when "I frelling feel like it" and I can really give two shits about what other people call "good." :D |
| 21:25.21 | Arrowmaster | was MD/Ruin for the first half of classic.... |
| 21:25.46 | Dagmar | Heheh go Lunessa |
| 21:26.11 | Dagmar | Someone razzed my gf last night for being a frost mage because arcane is "so much more" DPS |
| 21:26.11 | Lunessa | That said, I'm also a pretty harsh self-critic. |
| 21:26.26 | Dagmar | No one questions my BM hunter anymore |
| 21:26.45 | Dagmar | ...as I gaze down upon anyone but a 'lock from the top of the meter |
| 21:27.18 | elec29a | yes i have many haters everyone knwos me on madmortem they say i am prominent there but for my poor damage so i took lessions in ts from our best guild now i beat many but still the flame me as soon i am on |
| 21:27.30 | Dagmar | Considering the instance, I was laughing that they chose that time to say something |
| 21:27.42 | Dagmar | The next two pulls she and I hit 9k and 10k dps |
| 21:29.14 | Lunessa | I run with a ret paladin who was pulling 11+K DPS in an ICC-25 pug - and people were shocked and amazed. They thought at first "he must be haxoring mah recount!" |
| 21:29.34 | elec29a | lol |
| 21:29.57 | Dagmar | Consecration is a beautiful thing |
| 21:30.34 | Fisker | hey sexy Lunessa |
| 21:30.46 | elec29a | yes i need 2 healers in demon when i spam ae |
| 21:30.54 | Lunessa | Fisker: You have all the wrong plumbing. |
| 21:31.30 | alestane | I've finally gotten over 3k in heroic Pit, and concluded that it's mostly a gear issue. I do well enough to run without being booted from the group, the rest should come if I plug Triumph gear and try to raid more. It's not awesome but it's a huge step up from where I used to be. |
| 21:31.40 | Kraps | i got killed by the world boss thingy in moonglade :o |
| 21:31.41 | Fisker | you don't know the inner workings of my plumbing Lunessa :( |
| 21:31.42 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: he does have a hole... |
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| 21:32.06 | Fisker | i have 2 holes Thunder_Child |
| 21:32.14 | Dagmar | alestane: PoS favors aoe classes more than a little on the meters |
| 21:32.27 | alestane | I get rather higher on the serious AoE packs. |
| 21:32.29 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: But they're the kind all humans have, and not the two I'm particularly interested in. |
| 21:32.31 | Dagmar | I've actually walked out of there with >5k dps overall on a hunter |
| 21:32.54 | Lunessa | Also, they're attached to Fisker. Which is a buzz-kill right there. |
| 21:32.55 | alestane | Broke 7k at one point against the disturbed glacial whatsit. |
| 21:33.02 | Dagmar | Finally just started telling PUG pally-tanks to just go all-out |
| 21:33.48 | Dagmar | ...and I've definitely got the guild's highest lock no longer asking me why I don't chain out Misdirect |
| 21:33.59 | Dagmar | I've saved her bacon about a half-dozen times |
| 21:36.22 | Lunessa | needs a vacation. |
| 21:37.54 | elec29a | yes a vacation to nepal or marocco smoking weed all day would be nice 4 me |
| 21:40.52 | Seerah | I wonder where marocco is? |
| 21:41.22 | cogwheel | chuckles |
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| 21:42.02 | elec29a | a in english morocco http://maps.google.de/maps?f=s&utm_campaign=de&utm_source=de-ha-emea-de-google-gm&utm_medium=ha&utm_term={maps%20google} near to gibraltar africa |
| 21:42.11 | nevcairiel | north-west corner of africa |
| 21:42.18 | Shirik | Seerah: I went to morocco yesterday |
| 21:42.35 | Seerah | huggles cogwheel for understanding me :) |
| 21:42.46 | cogwheel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marocco |
| 21:43.06 | Seerah | heh |
| 21:43.35 | elec29a | i know 2 words zatla means weed and shokran thanks |
| 21:43.49 | cogwheel | apparently morocco is spelled marocco in some other languages |
| 21:43.53 | Shirik | huggles Seerah just because he can |
| 21:44.00 | Seerah | huggles Shirik in return |
| 21:45.25 | elec29a | lol yesterday we had a warlock named guantanamo on our server an he needs now to change his name said gms |
| 21:45.35 | Kraps | lawl |
| 21:46.44 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:47.00 | Lunessa | Why is it that everyone on the internet (not really everyone, but hyperbole, you know?) talks about getting high like I give a shit? |
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| 21:47.19 | Shadowed | Lunessa: Because, you know to run the other way then |
| 21:47.38 | Amarande | oh good grief, are these guys *still* trying to beat Cologna |
| 21:47.38 | Lunessa | Shadowed: Good point my man. Wise beyond your years. |
| 21:47.45 | Amarande | let's face it ... moar cowbell, guys. moar cowbell. |
| 21:47.45 | Amarande | heh |
| 21:47.53 | elec29a | is that normal i know gms with 4800gearscore and they did never see ICC how can they make support ? |
| 21:48.21 | Seerah | huh? |
| 21:48.43 | Amarande | gearscore is a distinctly meh addon. |
| 21:49.10 | Dagmar | elec29a: Most classes can get to just under 5k without ever touching the ICC raids |
| 21:49.20 | Amarande | The statements of this addon have not been approved by the Raid and Dungeon Administration. This addon is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any epic fail. |
| 21:49.21 | Dagmar | It's just a matter of pounding heroics for T9 |
| 21:50.03 | cogwheel | besides, what does being good at wow have to do with being able to provide customer support for it? |
| 21:50.13 | Amarande | although it's okay for ballparking what you're ready for so you don't have to shell out the money for Excel :P |
| 21:50.42 | elec29a | i think they should know every instance like i know my man pages or not ? |
| 21:50.56 | cogwheel | maybe if their job actually involved helping people with instances... |
| 21:51.19 | Amarande | cogwheel, it shows that you understand the sort of things that the customers are concerned about? |
| 21:51.19 | Dagmar | elec29a: There's a degree to which not knowing an instance isn't so relevant in the face of whether or not they know their toon |
| 21:51.37 | cogwheel | Amarande: sure, but it would go against nearly every other example of customer service in existence |
| 21:51.45 | Lunessa | Amarande: Open Office - why buy Excel if you don't have to? |
| 21:51.48 | Amarande | as opposed to, say, someone who's experienced in customer support but has never played an MMO in their life, who would quite possibly have issues, since they don't really understand the specific concerns of the customer base. |
| 21:52.01 | Amarande | Lunessa, does OOo work on the EJ spreadsheets or choke? |
| 21:52.04 | nevcairiel | For stuff they would actually need to know the instance by heart for .. they are not allowed to do that anyway |
| 21:52.14 | cogwheel | nevcairiel: exactly |
| 21:52.14 | Lunessa | Amarande: It'll probably do ok. :) |
| 21:52.21 | Dagmar | There's Rawr now for a lot of specs |
| 21:52.34 | Dagmar | C# is not the worst thing it could be written in. |
| 21:52.49 | nevcairiel | no, it could be in pascal |
| 21:52.50 | cogwheel | it's not like GMs can give you any information about how to play better |
| 21:52.59 | cogwheel | all they can do is get you unstuck from things, restore lost items, etc. |
| 21:53.21 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: COBOL |
| 21:53.28 | Amarande | otoh, a GM who's experienced with WoW can probably better understand WHY you're pissed off. |
| 21:53.46 | Amarande | and seeing at least where I work, one of the big tenets of dealing with angry customers is being able to empathize with them ... |
| 21:54.06 | nevcairiel | If you, as a GM, care why people are pissed off, you won't be doing it for long. |
| 21:54.40 | cogwheel | it doesn't take knowing every instance inside out to empathize |
| 21:54.41 | nevcairiel | since pissed off people are just throwing insuslts and whatnot |
| 21:54.44 | nevcairiel | this is the internet |
| 21:54.50 | cogwheel | that's all details |
| 21:55.12 | elec29a | yes i know at least i am happy that i know gms so i get faster responses i was hacked 2 january a gm told me to wait 8-10 days i did talk with my personal gm in ts and they gave me everything in 3 days --i admire gms |
| 21:55.19 | Lunessa | 99% of things GMs deal with is jerk-wads with an entitlement complex wanting some daddy-figure to give them everything. |
| 21:56.08 | Seerah | they told you to wait 8-10 days for what? Also, "personal GM"?... GM's aren't allowed to let other people know that they're GMs |
| 21:56.26 | Seerah | when they're just playing. |
| 21:56.51 | elec29a | pssst i didnt say that ok but it is so |
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| 21:57.26 | Amarande | Blizzard employees aren't allowed to let non-employee WoW players know they work for Blizzard? |
| 21:57.30 | Amarande | What is this, the freaking NSA? :P |
| 21:57.36 | nevcairiel | people in my old guild thought i was a GM because i was always defending blizzards decisions with rational arguments instead of joining in the flame |
| 21:57.37 | nevcairiel | but hey |
| 21:57.43 | elec29a | i know 2 of em smile they are in paris |
| 21:58.16 | Shadowed | haha |
| 21:58.28 | elec29a | sure |
| 21:58.32 | Seerah | when a GM is working, they are on their GM character. (and not on TS talking to their other character's guild). When they're off the clock, they can only play on their non-GM account. And they can't advertise that they're a GM. |
| 21:58.34 | Shadowed | It's not like they can keep it a secret that they work for Blizzard |
| 21:58.42 | Dagmar | Amarande: I wouldn't tell a bloody soul |
| 21:58.50 | Shadowed | but would you really want someone parading they are a GM |
| 21:58.58 | Shirik | someone ping me please |
| 21:59.01 | Shadowed | no Shirik |
| 21:59.02 | nevcairiel | Shirik: ping |
| 21:59.03 | cogwheel | Shirik: no |
| 21:59.06 | Seerah | ~ping Shirik |
| 21:59.06 | purl | pong Shirik |
| 21:59.11 | Shirik | ow |
| 21:59.16 | elec29a | no i couldnt ask him nothin in game only ts its not logged |
| 21:59.41 | Seerah | and what makes you believe that he's an actual GM? |
| 21:59.58 | Shadowed | I'm a GM |
| 21:59.59 | Shadowed | (truth) |
| 22:00.07 | nevcairiel | guild masters dont count |
| 22:00.07 | elec29a | he did speed up my hack and sure he is |
| 22:00.09 | Seerah | ~lart Shadowed |
| 22:00.09 | purl | offers Shadowed some herring |
| 22:00.11 | Shadowed | :( |
| 22:00.18 | Lunessa | Shadowed: PWNT? |
| 22:00.25 | Shadowed | I don't even like herring |
| 22:00.32 | elec29a | i close sorry |
| 22:00.37 | Amarande | yeah, somehow I don't think they can do anything about out of game talk |
| 22:00.47 | Amarande | unless they're going to make warden somehow analyze speech waveforms in ts/vent heh |
| 22:00.47 | foxlit | "constant table overflow" |
| 22:00.49 | foxlit | moo? |
| 22:01.05 | Amarande | "WHY IS THE GAME SO FREAKING LAGGY EVERY TIME I'M ON VENT" |
| 22:01.22 | Shadowed | hah |
| 22:01.30 | Amarande | "Because a GM was caught out-of-band cooperating with players on TS, so we had to update the anti-cheating software to detect cheating talk in voice chats ..." |
| 22:01.42 | elec29a | i did only ask in /2 if a hidden gm could contact me 1 was fake and 2 real ones |
| 22:02.17 | nevcairiel | foxlit: how did you manage that? referecing a gazillion string literals in one function? :P |
| 22:03.09 | nevcairiel | it can easily happen in SVs, when too many valeus are saved. |
| 22:03.49 | cogwheel | i remember when auctioneer had that problem :P |
| 22:03.53 | elec29a | is it true that there exists a gm island between the 2 old continents ? |
| 22:04.04 | Amarande | elec29a: not *really* |
| 22:04.10 | elec29a | ok |
| 22:04.15 | Amarande | from what I hear, there's a GM Island |
| 22:04.24 | Amarande | and lore-wise, I think it's supposed to be south of Tanaris or somesuch |
| 22:04.35 | Shadowed | why is there lore about GM Island? |
| 22:04.38 | Amarande | but in actual fact, it is a separate instance now and not at all possible to reach by players |
| 22:04.48 | elec29a | damn |
| 22:04.54 | Arrowmaster | south of tanaris is actually a quest island |
| 22:04.58 | zenzelezz | what Amarande is saying is that all GMs are actually silithids |
| 22:04.58 | Amarande | oh, right. |
| 22:05.10 | Amarande | anyway, it used to be that GM Island was located on one of the continent maps |
| 22:05.14 | Amarande | but they moved it to a separate instance |
| 22:05.19 | Amarande | so no, it's not really "anywhere" no |
| 22:05.23 | Amarande | now |
| 22:05.32 | Amarande | doesn't matter how far out into fatigue water you go, you won't find it |
| 22:05.43 | elec29a | ok |
| 22:05.55 | zenzelezz | let's all swim our level 1s to Quel'Danas |
| 22:06.02 | foxlit | nevcairiel: dunno, I just /reload'ed |
| 22:06.32 | Amarande | zenzelezz, don't you just have to swim far enough so the nearest graveyard is no longer Eversong? |
| 22:06.48 | zenzelezz | don't know, I never participated in that swimming |
| 22:06.50 | nevcairiel | well its usually caused by SVs then, which contain more then 2^18 literal values (strings, numbers, names of global variables) |
| 22:06.52 | zenzelezz | just recall everyone was doing it |
| 22:06.59 | Amarande | I heard people used to be able to do it alive, not sure how |
| 22:07.06 | Amarande | now you can probably still do it, but I imagine it involves a spirit rez |
| 22:07.20 | elec29a | lol i did find that channel and my playing time is half or lower |
| 22:07.28 | Dagmar | Fatigue water can still get you when you're dead |
| 22:07.29 | Amarande | last time I used a spirit rez for navigational purposes though it was for getting Teldrassil for my explorer |
| 22:07.56 | zenzelezz | to all you people playing STO, http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/02/15/funny-pictures-the-cling-ons/ |
| 22:07.57 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, but the idea is you would swim until you died of fatigue, and possibly would be close enough to IQD that it would ghost you at that GY and not Eversong's |
| 22:08.16 | Amarande | like the Teldrassil no-PvP-flag entry trick |
| 22:08.51 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: is there anything about that which is uniquely STO and not just ST? |
| 22:09.14 | Dagmar | Amarande: I think that would pretty much be the only way |
| 22:09.16 | zenzelezz | actually no; I must have just typed STO enough lately to not think about it |
| 22:10.14 | elec29a | does someone of you know where i could find southpark wow episode 2+3 i did never watch it |
| 22:10.37 | cogwheel | comedycentral.com? |
| 22:10.55 | Shadowed | I'm trying to figure out how a cat would stick to that zenzelezz |
| 22:11.05 | cogwheel | Shadowed: cloth textured wall imo |
| 22:11.09 | Shadowed | although they probably weight like |
| 22:11.11 | Shadowed | nothing |
| 22:12.11 | cogwheel | my sister-in-law had to rip a bunch of that shit out of her first house 'cause her cats damaged it |
| 22:12.50 | cogwheel | (and it can be pretty damn fugly too) |
| 22:13.12 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:13.14 | Fisker | oops |
| 22:13.18 | Fisker | with a cherry on top |
| 22:14.35 | Gagorian | elec29a: What are you refering to with 2+3? |
| 22:16.42 | elec29a | episode 2 and 3 |
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| 22:17.31 | Seerah | wasn't there just one WoW south park episode? |
| 22:17.42 | Shadowed | only one I know of |
| 22:17.56 | elec29a | i did find 3 parts... i can find episode 1 but rest is removed censored copyright law |
| 22:18.12 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 22:18.25 | Fisker | ~seen Ackis |
| 22:18.28 | purl | ackis is currently on #wowuidev (4d 2h 14m 23s) #arl (4d 2h 14m 23s) #wowace (4d 2h 14m 23s) #curseforge (4d 2h 14m 23s). Has said a total of 147 messages. Is idling for 1d 2h 57m 26s, last said: 'ok I thought so just watned to confirm'. |
| 22:19.22 | elec29a | ~seen pazza |
| 22:19.53 | elec29a | it dosent work how i can make seen ? i dont remember |
| 22:20.35 | elec29a | is pazza the author of wim often here i need a copy function added in main chat win |
| 22:22.05 | DWSR | ~seen pazza |
| 22:22.06 | purl | pazza <n=mobile@toffice.expresstaxrefund.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 710d 48m 25s ago, saying: '/MSG pazza test'. |
| 22:22.13 | DWSR | He's never in here. |
| 22:22.42 | DWSR | elec29a: ~seen and all bot commands have a filter so that they can only be used once every certain time period. |
| 22:23.32 | elec29a | ok thx alot |
| 22:26.16 | Arrowmaster | elec29a: let me guess the 1 you found is 10 minutes long on youtube and thats why you are asking about 2+3? |
| 22:26.38 | zenzelezz | "British Airways was re-equipping several of its aircraft tug tractors, and the crew managed to purchase a Douglas Equipment Limited DC12-series tug to use as the armored personal carrier." - I'm amused how much movies can re-use mundane things |
| 22:27.01 | Amarande | well |
| 22:27.11 | foxlit | personal carrier? Really? |
| 22:27.16 | Amarande | given that they are probably going to blow said things up during the course of filming |
| 22:27.23 | Amarande | especially in a movie that uses an "armored personnel carrier" heh |
| 22:27.34 | Amarande | it's probably good to get things on the cheap every now and then :P |
| 22:28.07 | zenzelezz | foxlit: blame Wikipedia :-p |
| 22:29.08 | elec29a | 2hunters meeting... one asks why do you have 2 pets .. the druid says i aint a pet (sorry for my poor translation skills) lol |
| 22:29.30 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 22:29.47 | zenzelezz | when I play a hunter, I make sure to cast Beast Lore on any druid I encounter in beast form |
| 22:29.59 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder what the gear requirement to nab a gurubashi chest is these days |
| 22:30.12 | Amarande | does regular pvp gear cut it, or do you pretty much have to have the 2000+ arena rating gear for it? |
| 22:30.41 | Amarande | hasn't tried since an epically unsuccessful attempt to nab it during a major event when I presumed everyone would be elsewhere busy :P |
| 22:33.27 | Fisker | zenzelezz |
| 22:33.28 | Fisker | 15. februar 201021:08Ankommet til 704 Københavns Pakkecenter |
| 22:33.28 | Fisker | 15. februar 201022:32Ankommet til 704 Københavns Pakkecenter |
| 22:33.28 | Fisker | 15. februar 201023:13Ankommet til 704 Københavns Pakkecenter |
| 22:33.31 | Fisker | you can't stop me |
| 22:33.43 | zenzelezz | why did you send yourself in the mail? |
| 22:34.22 | elec29a | do you know a better addon then autobar i want the original and some additional bars with drag and drop support that aint really working in autobar |
| 22:34.40 | DWSR | wow |
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| 22:34.44 | DWSR | Watching boardercross. |
| 22:34.56 | DWSR | And fucking Canada just totally stomped the qualifiers. |
| 22:35.19 | DWSR | This is madness! No, this is TRICKY. :P |
| 22:39.53 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/391116685 |
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| 22:52.29 | Adys | Anyone else's video card goes nuts on the wotlk login screen? |
| 22:53.17 | Fisker | hey zenzelezz |
| 22:53.27 | Fisker | can i be stopped? |
| 22:53.27 | zenzelezz | hi Fisker |
| 22:53.37 | zenzelezz | entropy will get you in the end |
| 22:53.53 | Fisker | i disagree |
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| 22:56.26 | Fisker | it would appear that you are powerless to stop me |
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| 23:11.42 | Lunessa | Fisker: The human body has a very low shelf-life and decays quickly. Entropy will eventually get you. |
| 23:15.55 | Fisker | but unfortunately i told you that i disagree |
| 23:16.03 | elec29a | are curseclient downloads counting on http://wow.curse.com ? |
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| 23:33.20 | Torhal | elec29a: OPie - http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9094-OPie.html |
| 23:34.01 | Torhal | elec29a: Yes |
| 23:34.25 | elec29a | ok thx |
| 23:41.58 | Shadowed | Lunessa way to be depressing! |
| 23:42.52 | Lunessa | Shadowed: I could have gone on about the statistical likelihood of his inability to breed, but I was trying to keep it light. |
| 23:43.03 | Shadowed | :P |
| 23:43.23 | Shadowed | I don't think you can refer to that as statistical likelihood |
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| 23:44.54 | Gagorian | Did you mean that in an infinite amount of universes, given an infinite amount of time everything else is going to happen except Fisker getting laid? |
| 23:45.03 | Shadowed | yes |
| 23:45.32 | Gagorian | nods sagely |
| 23:45.42 | foxlit | an infinite amount of fiskers is sufficient, really. |
| 23:45.59 | Gagorian | Fuck no, one is way too much |
| 23:46.16 | Lunessa | Well, there is always the Heineken Uncertainty Principle: Given enough beer Fisker might be able to talk a woman into sex once. |
| 23:46.57 | Shadowed | Fisker you should come to Blizzcon this year |
| 23:47.00 | Shadowed | we can test this theory of Lunessa's |
| 23:47.34 | foxlit | Pay for his shipping. |
| 23:47.42 | Shadowed | can ship him UPS |
| 23:47.53 | foxlit | Though travelling to US is... unappealing... at best. |
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| 23:50.25 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* painting mini's is freakin hard |
| 23:51.24 | Torhal | Toothpicks! |
| 23:52.28 | WobWork1 | Lunessa: But doesn't HUC define that while he might be able to talk a woman into sex, he won't actually be in the same place as her when it happens? |
| 23:53.24 | Lunessa | WobWork1: This is a corollary, yes. |
| 23:53.43 | alestane | He can either know what he's doing, or who he's with, but not both. |
| 23:54.24 | WobWork | wait. |
| 23:54.28 | WobWork | Fisker knowing what he's doing? |
| 23:54.46 | WobWork | oh. What as in a definition of who he's with |
| 23:54.47 | WobWork | I see |
| 23:54.58 | WobWork | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/15/house_of_commons_vista/ |
| 23:55.03 | WobWork | why do people do this? =P |
| 23:56.56 | cogwheel | O.o http://www.amazon.com/review/RWSXOMPFDUVEZ/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm |
| 23:58.27 | Kraps | cogwheel: what? he didnt get it yet, its obviously terrible! |
