| 00:00.30 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you know where to send your list for prompt response. |
| 00:00.54 | Lunessa | And it should come with a plate of something delicious and morally reprehensible? |
| 00:01.03 | jnwhiteh | damn reviews didn't carry over from the first editin |
| 00:01.10 | jnwhiteh | now I need Antiarc to shill some more for me =) |
| 00:01.12 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't know that fit onto a plate, Lunessa. |
| 00:01.32 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: You need to hang out with more cooks. :) |
| 00:01.36 | sylvanaar | #1 in game programming, thats cool |
| 00:01.43 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: id review it if i got a free copy first |
| 00:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I had something specific in mind for the plate. |
| 00:01.57 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: have a site with enough exposure to post it on? |
| 00:02.02 | jnwhiteh | If so, I can get you a review copy |
| 00:02.03 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:02.09 | jnwhiteh | but they frown on me just sending free copies to friends :P |
| 00:02.22 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: If you want me to put /that/ on a plate, well, might want to get the dishwasher all ready for afterwards. |
| 00:03.00 | Lopeppeppy | See, you *can* do the innuendo! |
| 00:04.08 | Shadowed | Antiarc: is a great shill |
| 00:05.14 | Lopeppeppy | So, is Caprica good enough that I should start watching it? |
| 00:05.22 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: what you and he do in teh comfort of your own bedroom is your business |
| 00:05.37 | sylvanaar | Lopeppeppy: no |
| 00:05.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: it's a different show than BSG, at least right now it is. It is still warming up |
| 00:05.57 | Shadowed | Lopeppeppy: I like it, but will see if they turn it into a horrible show |
| 00:05.59 | sylvanaar | i hate all the characters |
| 00:06.06 | Cruciformer | I havent started watching caprica yet either. |
| 00:06.07 | sylvanaar | well, the actors |
| 00:06.17 | Shadowed | Although it's annoying how they keep switching between robot and girl |
| 00:06.25 | ScytheBlade1 | How is that annoying? |
| 00:06.28 | Lopeppeppy | I liked SG:U at first, but it got very nasty with the body-swapping. |
| 00:06.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty well done |
| 00:06.40 | Shadowed | ScytheBlade1: Feels more like they are trying to give the actor a role to play |
| 00:06.43 | sylvanaar | Lopeppeppy: what happened to it? |
| 00:06.54 | Shadowed | or cut down on robot-es-ness |
| 00:07.14 | sylvanaar | shes the main character |
| 00:07.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed: only a very very little. It'll evolve over the course of the show, of that I'm sure |
| 00:07.16 | Arrowmaster | ive been watching Caprica and its not bad |
| 00:07.18 | Shadowed | I don't mean they do it poorly, just it gets a bit silly after a while |
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| 00:07.36 | Lopeppeppy | sylvanaar, I have issues with the way they weren't dealing with the consequences of borrowing bodies for sex, drugs, alcohol, etc. That was messed up. |
| 00:07.43 | Shadowed | Because it's usually, HEY HERES THE ROBOT |
| 00:07.51 | Shadowed | "zoom behind pillar" LOOK ITS THE GIRL! |
| 00:07.52 | sylvanaar | Lopeppeppy: i meant, did it get cancelled? |
| 00:08.06 | Shadowed | I'm also a cynical bastard to be fair |
| 00:08.06 | Lopeppeppy | I think it's in mid-season hiatus, like most everything else. |
| 00:08.06 | Fisker | slaps sylvanaar around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:08.24 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: the robot cant make facial expressions |
| 00:08.30 | Shadowed | fair sylvanaar |
| 00:08.45 | Shadowed | I still think it's tacky after a while :p |
| 00:08.51 | sylvanaar | me too |
| 00:08.53 | Arrowmaster | i dont think its that silly, they show the girl when they want to emphasize the personality in the robot, and the robot when emphasizing that its a robot, like when its trying to hide that it has a personality |
| 00:09.02 | ScytheBlade1 | exactly |
| 00:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Like the part when her parents are feeling a bit... frisky |
| 00:09.19 | ScytheBlade1 | And 'she' is in the room |
| 00:09.20 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 00:09.37 | Arrowmaster | they switch to the girl to show that she is uncomfortable |
| 00:09.48 | Shadowed | If they only did it once or twice, sure. But after a while seeing it switch back and forth just gets silly to me |
| 00:09.57 | sylvanaar | the show is about the wrong thing - i dont care about her parents at all. and so far mostly its been about them |
| 00:10.07 | Shadowed | That'll change in the next episode from the sounds of it |
| 00:10.22 | Arrowmaster | dont know, dont watch previews |
| 00:10.27 | sylvanaar | fair enough |
| 00:10.34 | Shadowed | I'm not talking about previews Arrowmaster, it was hinted at during the episode :p |
| 00:10.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, they're pretty slow to introduce characters |
| 00:10.43 | Shadowed | right at the end |
| 00:10.50 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 00:10.53 | sylvanaar | i need something to watch after i finish Lost |
| 00:11.58 | sylvanaar | did you watch heroes this week? |
| 00:12.03 | sylvanaar | i heard it didnt suck |
| 00:12.20 | Shadowed | monkeys and typewriters? |
| 00:14.58 | sylvanaar | that could actually be an episode name |
| 00:15.12 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Congratulations on the nice things said about you in the article. :) |
| 00:15.22 | jnwhiteh | thanks |
| 00:15.28 | Shadowed | not counting comments |
| 00:15.34 | Duman | unf |
| 00:15.34 | jnwhiteh | he |
| 00:16.18 | Shadowed | Nice you have your own theme song now clad |
| 00:16.35 | Lunessa | Never read blog comments - they're rarely better than YouTube comments. |
| 00:16.40 | Arrowmaster | rofl at the reply to tekkubs rarw |
| 00:16.42 | Shadowed | Lunessa: but these are amusing |
| 00:16.42 | Arrowmaster | rawr |
| 00:16.47 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 00:17.10 | Lunessa | Bah. You're going to make me read them, aren't you. I'm going to kick you in your overly-long shins. |
| 00:17.33 | Shadowed | The theme song along is worth it |
| 00:19.01 | Lunessa | At BlizzCon I waited until after my friend had shaken your hand to tell her who you were. Because she'd specifically said she was going to marry you for Clique. |
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| 00:21.36 | DJJeff | is there an option in ARL to not rescan when I talk to a vender? |
| 00:21.44 | Lopeppeppy | I wouldn't marry you, but I'd bake you some brownies. |
| 00:24.08 | Lunessa | damn you shadowed! DAMN YOU! |
| 00:24.23 | Shadowed | Lunessa: Good damn or bad damn? |
| 00:24.34 | Lunessa | You made me read the comments. |
| 00:24.53 | Shadowed | Technically, I planted the seed that lead to you reading it. You forced yourself |
| 00:25.17 | Lunessa | Technically you are right, but self-recrimination is not as much fun as shaking my fist at you. |
| 00:25.23 | Shadowed | fair eough |
| 00:25.29 | Shadowed | s/eough/enough/ |
| 00:25.50 | Shadowed | I'll blame you for the fact that if I put any pressure on the sides of my laptop it thinks I clicked then |
| 00:26.52 | Lunessa | And you must grow a ridiculous mustache, wring your hands and curse my name and vow revenge. |
| 00:27.14 | Fisker | previously on i gotta pee |
| 00:27.17 | Fisker | i gotta pee |
| 00:28.21 | sylvanaar | read the comments too |
| 00:28.34 | Shadowed | Facial hair is annoying, can we just go with wringing my hands and cursing your name? |
| 00:30.54 | Lunessa | Hrm, will you get hunched over like Snidely Whiplash instead? |
| 00:31.26 | Shadowed | No, but I will have a hunchbacked henchman |
| 00:33.09 | Shadowed | hunchbacked henchman is fun to say |
| 00:40.00 | DJJeff | what would be nice for Curse.com Client users..... be able to right click on an addon and view submitted bugs on that addon |
| 00:40.28 | DJJeff | to check if bugs they are having has already been reported |
| 00:40.33 | DJJeff | and check its status |
| 00:41.01 | DJJeff | I keep posting bugs that have already been addressed and confirmed |
| 00:41.31 | Lopeppeppy | Sleepy Peppy is sleepy. Night night. |
| 00:42.20 | Arrowmaster | DJJeff: http://www.wowace.com/addons/cartographer/tickets/?status=+ guess which ones are curse client users |
| 00:42.43 | Arrowmaster | hint, all of them! |
| 00:43.15 | DJJeff | hrmmmm does that answer my question? I didn't know wowace was curse.com |
| 00:43.48 | Arrowmaster | the submit bug thing in the client sends it to either curseforge or wowace |
| 00:43.57 | DJJeff | ok |
| 00:44.02 | DJJeff | I understand that |
| 00:44.15 | DJJeff | but cant right click and "view bugs" |
| 00:44.21 | DJJeff | instead of sumbit |
| 00:44.38 | DJJeff | right from CC |
| 00:44.57 | DJJeff | I guess "view addon website" is close |
| 00:45.10 | Arrowmaster | right, many authors have expressed a desire to just completely disable the ability for bugs to be submitted for their addons from the curse client |
| 00:46.12 | DJJeff | cause I submit a bug I am able to view it..... but I wanna check what other people have submitted before me |
| 00:46.48 | DJJeff | if the authors dont wanna view bugs thats fine but I wanna be able to view them |
| 00:47.45 | Arrowmaster | no we just dont want people to be able to submit them from the client due to how low quality they all are |
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| 00:49.25 | DJJeff | the mojority of tickets are from noobs that don't know how to update their addons and clear their cache and clear the addon settings before submitting a ticket |
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| 00:59.06 | sylvanaar | the bug reports i think should all go into a common pool |
| 01:00.05 | DJJeff | that would be a pretty big messy list X_X |
| 01:00.32 | sylvanaar | you need some way of pre-screening them |
| 01:00.48 | DJJeff | yep |
| 01:01.18 | sylvanaar | i wrote up a proposal for how it might work at one point |
| 01:01.19 | DJJeff | and of course Cartographer is gonna have tickets that addon was abandoned ? |
| 01:02.18 | Arrowmaster | except the description says not to create tickets about it being broken in 3.3 |
| 01:02.41 | Arrowmaster | the only reason i dont disable the tickets is because that would likely remove all the existing ones |
| 01:03.26 | DJJeff | prevent ppl from downloading the addon and submitting new tickets? |
| 01:03.30 | sylvanaar | the problem is that not enough information gets submitted with the ticket - especially the debugstack |
| 01:04.33 | sylvanaar | you could just feed the debugstacks into a pool, and you could do the whole socoal-media-esq "trending" type things |
| 01:05.29 | sylvanaar | as it is - its just appropriate for minor bugs and feature requests |
| 01:05.54 | Arrowmaster | no its just appropriate for 'omg its broken, fix pls' |
| 01:06.18 | Arrowmaster | which is why developers want a way to just completely disable it in the client |
| 01:09.01 | fathom | is there anywhere i can buy the wow programming book in epub format? do not want paper. :( |
| 01:09.05 | sylvanaar | either fully automate them - or push them all through a single review queue |
| 01:13.26 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: what made you and ckk drop carto? |
| 01:14.11 | Aelobin | hmmm... mongoose, battlemaster or +35agi (tanking druid ^^) |
| 01:14.53 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: 3.0 |
| 01:14.57 | Gnarfoz | Legorol: he's the "can't stand those annoying people who keep reporting that it's broken, so I patched it up" maintainer :p |
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| 01:15.29 | Arrowmaster | i havent touched it since 3.0 |
| 01:16.01 | Arrowmaster | other than to delete crap idiots have added, and by delete i mean entire files |
| 01:16.12 | Legorol | wow, but it actually worked fine for me in 3.0 |
| 01:16.37 | Legorol | anyway, RIP carto |
| 01:16.40 | Arrowmaster | because of idiots bandaiding it to fucking hell with no clue what they were doing |
| 01:16.49 | sylvanaar | =( |
| 01:16.54 | Jerub | Aelobin: mongoose |
| 01:18.00 | Arrowmaster | i thought i had finally driven the last one away when he completely fucking broke LibTourist-3.0 and i reverted his change and told him to never fucking touch my projects again but he came back and made a commit to cartographer after 3.3 |
| 01:18.10 | sylvanaar | just shows how much people loved it |
| 01:19.32 | Shadowed | technically |
| 01:19.34 | Arrowmaster | oh wait he didnt make a commit, it was just a comment on how to fix something |
| 01:19.35 | Shadowed | It shows how stubborn people are |
| 01:19.47 | Shadowed | and how they'll stick with an old unmaintained addon even if it's horribly buggy |
| 01:19.58 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster: The guy who posted on wowace a week or two ago? |
| 01:20.00 | Legorol | heroic modes in ICC just became accessible in theory a few hours ago in the US, right? |
| 01:20.02 | Legorol | like 6 hours ago |
| 01:20.19 | kd3 | not even |
| 01:20.23 | kd3 | an hour, two tops |
| 01:20.53 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: no the idiot im referring to is one of the two that tried to take it over after 3.0 and are listed as contributes on the project page |
| 01:21.13 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=17685&page=2#15 |
| 01:21.20 | Arrowmaster | atleast that one went away after our comments |
| 01:22.39 | Arrowmaster | i just found out people have been commenting on my curse user page about cartographer problems so i had to go delete them all |
| 01:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: awesome thread |
| 01:23.32 | Arrowmaster | im using that link to nev's and my comments from now on if anybody asks about taking it over |
| 01:24.13 | Shadowed | Tell them they can take it over for $1000 |
| 01:24.13 | Arrowmaster | i think it sums up the point of view nicely |
| 01:25.44 | Gnarfoz | kd3: over 4 now |
| 01:25.59 | Gnarfoz | some servers went up on schedule, apparently |
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| 01:27.07 | KarlKFI|work | lol, did all my addons on curse get nuked? "No projects" |
| 01:27.19 | cog|away | PProvost: ping |
| 01:27.20 | KarlKFI|work | i think it realized i was a slacker |
| 01:27.34 | Arrowmaster | did they get marked as abandoned or inactive? |
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| 01:28.09 | Arrowmaster | if so just go through them all and switch them back, i keep doing that so that i still get points from stuff from years ago |
| 01:28.12 | KarlKFI|work | i guess so lol, i haven't even looked in months |
| 01:28.26 | KarlKFI|work | they dont show up in searches and aren't on my projects page |
| 01:29.01 | Arrowmaster | look on curseforge/wowace |
| 01:29.20 | Arrowmaster | if they get marked as abanboned/inactive they are completely removed from curse.com |
| 01:29.43 | KarlKFI|work | ah yeah. they'res a few left on curseforge |
| 01:30.02 | Arrowmaster | 9 hours ago 1.6565 Generated points LibGUIDRegistry-0.1 |
| 01:30.09 | sylvanaar | the points system has worked out great |
| 01:30.13 | Arrowmaster | 9 hours ago 0.4268 Generated points GoldenRun |
| 01:30.27 | Arrowmaster | i just bump those back to active whenever they change |
| 01:31.01 | Arrowmaster | since i never finished them i wont mark them as mature (anything marked as mature will never expire) |
| 01:31.15 | KarlKFI|work | orly? |
| 01:31.20 | sylvanaar | 9 hours ago 0.2733 Generated points LuaModules |
| 01:31.28 | KarlKFI|work | cause i still have a few that still work even tho i havent updated since 3.0 |
| 01:31.39 | Arrowmaster | 9 hours ago 96.5987 Generated points Cartographer |
| 01:31.52 | sylvanaar | seriously |
| 01:31.54 | DWSR | ~seen antiarc |
| 01:31.56 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (4h 53m 34s) #wowace (4h 53m 34s) #curseforge (4h 53m 34s). Has said a total of 120 messages. Is idling for 22m 57s, last said: 'Pestilence is broken now that we have AOE caps'. |
| 01:32.05 | DWSR | Antiarc: gnip |
| 01:32.11 | Antiarc | wats |
| 01:32.19 | Arrowmaster | and i only get something like 30% of that one |
| 01:32.21 | kd3 | wait, wait |
| 01:32.22 | DWSR | wtb anchoring in scd. |
| 01:32.27 | Antiarc | eh? |
| 01:32.35 | kd3 | mages have been bitching about aoe damage caps since they first got implemented |
| 01:32.42 | kd3 | dks are just now getting around to crying? |
| 01:32.52 | sylvanaar | whoa this weeks points were like 3x normal |
| 01:33.05 | DWSR | kd3: Mages? Have you seen warlock damage caps? |
| 01:33.10 | DWSR | +aoe |
| 01:33.19 | DWSR | Antiarc: WTB anchoring SCD frames to other frames. |
| 01:33.30 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: this months, and i wouldnt say 3x, maybe 1.8x |
| 01:33.48 | sylvanaar | yeah 2x |
| 01:34.18 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: i loathed the 12000 cap on SoC in TBC |
| 01:34.22 | Antiarc | DWSR: Ergh. Not terribly happy about the idea of that |
| 01:34.51 | DWSR | Antiarc: Implementation-specific gripes aside, why? |
| 01:35.13 | Antiarc | Because of implementation gripes :V |
| 01:35.25 | KarlKFI|work | lol ConsisTint was last updated for WoW 2.0 and I'm pretty sure that still works. |
| 01:35.37 | sylvanaar | i remember that |
| 01:35.39 | DWSR | KarlKFI: Except for the toc? |
| 01:35.45 | KarlKFI|work | toc can diaf |
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| 01:36.01 | sylvanaar | wasnt it in cosmos |
| 01:36.10 | KarlKFI|work | yup |
| 01:36.17 | KarlKFI|work | bumping for toc is the bane of my addon programming existance |
| 01:36.53 | DWSR | Blizzard should really stop disabling "Load out of Date Addons" for *every* patch |
| 01:37.04 | DWSR | And only do it for patches which change UI functionality. |
| 01:37.07 | DWSR | functionality* |
| 01:37.10 | KarlKFI|work | curse or wowi should make a button that automatically unzips the addon, finds all the toc's and updates them. So I can just do it from each addon's page. |
| 01:37.17 | DWSR | lulz |
| 01:37.37 | DWSR | WTB CF & WA commit hook for automatically inserting the right TOC number. |
| 01:37.42 | Arrowmaster | wowi has some 'works with' thing i think |
| 01:37.48 | KarlKFI|work | ya |
| 01:37.59 | sylvanaar | my first prat contribution was based on ConsisTint |
| 01:38.06 | KarlKFI|work | doesn't actually modify the addont ho |
| 01:38.33 | sylvanaar | prat 1 |
| 01:38.37 | KarlKFI|work | heh |
| 01:38.46 | KarlKFI|work | oldy but a goody |
| 01:38.56 | sylvanaar | or maybe it was my second |
| 01:39.00 | sylvanaar | or or the other |
| 01:39.28 | DWSR | Antiarc: Is adding configurable anchoring really that difficult using AceConfig and AceGUI? |
| 01:39.40 | DWSR | Err, Ace in general* |
| 01:39.45 | KarlKFI|work | most of my libraries still work too, tho no one is using them much any more. |
| 01:39.47 | Antiarc | Ace doesn't really alleviate the work |
| 01:40.00 | Antiarc | The problem is that preserving user movement while allowing for custom anchoring is a pain in the ass |
| 01:40.15 | DWSR | Antiarc: So don't. |
| 01:40.27 | DWSR | Antiarc: Make the user enable anchoring, and then disable the drag. |
| 01:40.35 | KarlKFI|work | that's no fun |
| 01:40.44 | KarlKFI|work | users want it how they want it |
| 01:40.52 | KarlKFI|work | and they want it to read their minds |
| 01:40.56 | Antiarc | Just use kgpanels and anchor your bar to a panel :P |
| 01:41.19 | DWSR | Antiarc: How? I'd have to anchor the panel to the bar |
| 01:41.32 | cbreak | wonder if google can read application/xhtml+xml |
| 01:41.34 | kd3 | oh lmao. page 1 of yesterday's sts-130 execute package: "In space, no one can hear your chicken scream." |
| 01:41.36 | DWSR | Which completely defeats the purpose. |
| 01:41.50 | DWSR | cbreak: It can |
| 01:41.52 | Antiarc | What is it you're trying to do, exactly? |
| 01:42.04 | DWSR | Antiarc: Anchor mny SCD bars to my UFrames. |
| 01:42.10 | DWSR | my* |
| 01:42.41 | KarlKFI|work | lasttime i changed code in ConsisTint was 18 Dec 2006 |
| 01:42.45 | Antiarc | Why not just add a kgpanels script to anchor it? |
| 01:42.57 | KarlKFI|work | 4 year old addons till works |
| 01:43.00 | KarlKFI|work | still* |
| 01:43.01 | DWSR | Antiarc: Why not just add a configuration option for it? I don't have kgpanels in my installation. |
| 01:43.11 | KarlKFI|work | er 3 |
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| 01:43.14 | tem | Is anyone able to play right now? |
| 01:43.14 | DWSR | Antiarc: I'd rather not have it at all, tbcfh |
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| 01:43.20 | Antiarc | Because it's a lot more work to do that in a manner that works for everyone than for you to just hack it in :P |
| 01:43.22 | DWSR | tem: Yes. |
| 01:43.29 | Arrowmaster | kd3: rofl this is great |
| 01:43.59 | DWSR | Antiarc: If it makes you feel any better, I asked Shadowed for the same thing in his UF, but that's mostly because he already allows you to anchor to other UFrames, just nothing else =\ |
| 01:44.03 | DWSR | Design oversight, imo. |
| 01:44.36 | DWSR | tem: Can you even login? |
| 01:44.44 | Shadowed | Hardly a design oversight. |
| 01:44.52 | tem | DWSR, I was logged in |
| 01:44.57 | tem | until my client crashed |
| 01:44.59 | tem | now I can't |
| 01:45.00 | tem | super |
| 01:45.08 | DWSR | Shadowed: Hence, why I said IMO |
| 01:45.14 | Shadowed | and it's wrong |
| 01:45.20 | Shadowed | Anchoring to other bars requires overcomplicated hooks, or making assumptions that aren't always right. |
| 01:45.47 | Antiarc | Anchoring in a manner that works in a generic manner is a royal pain in the ass. |
| 01:45.47 | Shadowed | You can't design a good system for anchoring to an arbitrary frame, they're all hacks to do it |
| 01:45.51 | Antiarc | ^ |
| 01:45.53 | DWSR | Shadowed: which reminds me. |
| 01:46.00 | DWSR | Shadowed: Your anchoring is broken. |
| 01:46.05 | Shadowed | KGPanels/Skinner/etc are essentially giant hacks |
| 01:46.13 | Shadowed | when you get down to it |
| 01:46.18 | Shadowed | File a ticket and I'll get to it DWSR |
| 01:46.32 | DWSR | If I scale the frames down to 85%, it doesn't correctly recalculate the center of the frame for anchoring |
| 01:46.39 | DWSR | Shadowed: Yeah, I will when I can login for a farking screenshot. |
| 01:46.44 | Shadowed | SUF can anchor to itself easily, cause I control and know when everything is created |
| 01:47.00 | Shadowed | but anchoring to an enclosed system and an open one are entirely different |
| 01:47.28 | DWSR | Shadowed: kgpanels seems to work well |
| 01:47.40 | Shadowed | Work well doesn't mean it's not a giant hack |
| 01:47.48 | DWSR | A giant hack doesn't mean it doesn't work |
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| 01:47.56 | DWSR | Also, if you don't mind my asking. |
| 01:48.03 | DWSR | Why is it such a pain in the ass? |
| 01:48.28 | Shadowed | As I said. You can't detect when frames are created without hacks or assumptions |
| 01:49.08 | Shadowed | I don't implement giant hacks into addons unless it's the absolute only choice to achieve some sort of required functionality |
| 01:49.12 | DWSR | Shadowed: Can't you check for a frame's existence? |
| 01:49.38 | DWSR | Aren't all frames defined in _G? |
| 01:49.45 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:50.16 | Antiarc | Sometimes all you have is an anonymous frame reference |
| 01:50.17 | Antiarc | Fun times. |
| 01:50.22 | cbreak | the frames I create in my addons are in locals to my file, or in private tables |
| 01:50.45 | DWSR | Another stupid question, then |
| 01:50.50 | DWSR | What the hell does /framestack show? |
| 01:51.10 | kd3 | if they're anonymous, just a memory pointer? |
| 01:51.22 | DWSR | kd3: Guess I haven't seen any anonymous frames. |
| 01:51.41 | DWSR | What does it display when it's showing an anonymous frame? |
| 01:51.47 | Kraps | http://img15.yfrog.com/i/lolwhutsheperd.jpg/ |
| 01:51.56 | Arrowmaster | then either you just dont happen to have any or /framestack is a shitty copy of /dtframestack and is ignoring anonymous frames |
| 01:51.57 | DWSR | Kraps: lulz. |
| 01:51.59 | Antiarc | DWSR: table:<hex code> |
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| 01:52.09 | DWSR | Antiarc: Can't you use that though? |
| 01:52.14 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:52.30 | Arrowmaster | lua> tostring({}) |
| 01:52.31 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: table: 0x83f3ed0 |
| 01:52.46 | DWSR | ah |
| 01:52.58 | DWSR | lua> tostring({}) |
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| 01:52.59 | lua_bot | DWSR: table: 0x8d83ed0 |
| 01:53.02 | DWSR | Well. |
| 01:53.06 | Antiarc | That changes every time your UI reloads |
| 01:53.09 | DWSR | right |
| 01:53.11 | Antiarc | Also, there are things like Skada's windows |
| 01:53.14 | Antiarc | Which are dynamically named |
| 01:53.16 | Antiarc | Now THAT is fun times. |
| 01:53.16 | Arrowmaster | the only possible way to do anything with that is to loop over _G and run tostring on every table and try to find a match, but the frame might not be in _G |
| 01:53.17 | Amarande | here's one for anyone who ever even tried to entertain thoughts of hating a PUG: http://dailysquee.com/2010/02/08/cute-baby-animal-the-puglet-is-ready/ |
| 01:53.34 | Antiarc | I have a kgpanel script that parents my skada frame to a named frame so I can stick it on Dash |
| 01:53.48 | DWSR | Amarande: It's STILL ugly. |
| 01:53.54 | DWSR | Antiarc: Dash? |
| 01:54.20 | Antiarc | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7391-Dash.html |
| 01:54.25 | Antiarc | It's like the OS X dash |
| 01:54.42 | DWSR | ah, yeah. |
| 01:54.44 | DWSR | I've seen that |
| 01:54.52 | DWSR | Meh, I just use Broker launchers. |
| 01:54.56 | DWSR | Recount in particular. |
| 01:55.27 | kd3 | oh wow. that's useful |
| 01:55.55 | Antiarc | you can't put secure frames on it, but that's okay |
| 01:56.45 | DWSR | Antiarc: You can, you just can't summon them in combat. :P |
| 01:57.35 | KarlKFI|work | yeah, dash looks nifty |
| 01:58.02 | KarlKFI|work | do macros still work in a chatframe anchored to dash? |
| 01:58.52 | DWSR | There any way to automatically add all SharedMedia textures to kgpanels? |
| 01:58.58 | DWSR | Or do I get the fun task of doing it all manually? |
| 01:59.12 | Antiarc | KarlKFI|work: I doubt it |
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| 02:01.12 | A-KO | what's a druid timer mod? |
| 02:01.14 | A-KO | that shows hots? |
| 02:01.27 | DWSR | A-KO: SexyCooldowns |
| 02:02.48 | Antiarc | HotCandy is what I use on my priest for renew tracking |
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| 02:09.17 | Jerub | i use oUF_freebgrid that shows me a countdown for rejuv ticks. |
| 02:09.27 | Jerub | but only a single green dot for regrowth, so i want something better |
| 02:09.48 | Amarande | Jerub: it's called rolling a disc priest :) |
| 02:09.59 | Jerub | sexycooldowns is only useful if you're targetting a player, it won't give you any reasonable infomration in a raid. |
| 02:10.13 | kd3 | I've been using compactbars |
| 02:10.17 | Jerub | i use it for my swiftmend, wg and ns cds. |
| 02:10.52 | Jerub | Amarande: meh, last time i succesfully did an icc25 it was me and 4 priests healing. I was topping the meters :) |
| 02:12.34 | DWSR | Jerub: Shitty Rapid Rejuv |
| 02:13.01 | Antiarc | Our strats are the leetest strats |
| 02:13.01 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/QMRog.png |
| 02:13.47 | kd3 | lmao |
| 02:14.48 | Shadowed | haha Antiarc |
| 02:17.44 | cogwheel | wonders if the complication rates of tummy tucks and gastric bypasses are lower than the complication rates of tapeworms |
| 02:24.33 | Amarande | waits for cogwheel's Nobel Prize for Medicine winning treatise on The Weight Loss Benefits of Parasites |
| 02:25.44 | KarlKFI|work | if tapeworms weren't so gross you might have something there |
| 02:26.44 | KarlKFI|work | i would venture to guess the cross section of people that have tummy tucks and peopel that would agree to voluntarily being given a tape worm is just about the null set |
| 02:26.45 | cogwheel | lern2notbesqueamish imo |
| 02:27.28 | cogwheel | i'm sure alt med people could come up with an effective ad campaign :> |
| 02:27.39 | cogwheel | "All natural" |
| 02:27.43 | cogwheel | "Proven effective" |
| 02:28.09 | Amarande | cogwheel, I still suggest writing a paper on it. |
| 02:28.16 | Amarande | This is the sort of thing that gets you a Nobel. |
| 02:28.35 | cogwheel | >< |
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| 02:30.06 | KarlKFI|work | if i remember correctly the non-invasive drugs that kill tapeworms takes a while to be effective |
| 02:30.30 | Amarande | yeah, that could be a problem |
| 02:30.33 | Amarande | Thinner, anyone? :) |
| 02:30.55 | Kandoko | http://s1.hubimg.com/u/1181560_f520.jpg cogwheel I do believe its been tried before |
| 02:31.11 | KarlKFI|work | plus then you have to shit it out |
| 02:31.19 | cogwheel | Kandoko: not surprised >< |
| 02:31.20 | DWSR | Kandoko: wtf. |
| 02:31.25 | cogwheel | KarlKFI|work: no you don't |
| 02:31.29 | Kandoko | early 1900 ad |
| 02:31.32 | cogwheel | it lives in your intestines and eats your food |
| 02:31.50 | cogwheel | erm... |
| 02:31.53 | cogwheel | i missed that context >< |
| 02:31.55 | cogwheel | ignore me |
| 02:31.56 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 02:32.13 | Kandoko | Course they though shoving a Tesla coul light up your ass was a cure for what ails yah too so :P |
| 02:32.18 | Corrodias | Kandoko: i think my favorite part is the coffee can |
| 02:32.19 | Kandoko | *coil |
| 02:32.26 | Corrodias | coffee makes you fat? i had no idea! ;P |
| 02:33.17 | KarlKFI|work | i have to say tho. tape worm has much more int he way of benifits |
| 02:33.26 | KarlKFI|work | you can eat all you want and still lose weight |
| 02:33.41 | KarlKFI|work | and there's no scars.. ont he outside anyway |
| 02:34.05 | DWSR | if this and not that in Lua is if (this and not that) then, right? |
| 02:34.41 | NeoTron | KarlKFI|work: except when you grow a tail.. |
| 02:34.42 | KarlKFI|work | "if this and not that then" should work too |
| 02:35.21 | DWSR | KarlKFI: Yeah, but I like my braces because I'm using Java in school atm. |
| 02:35.32 | DWSR | Anyone in here use Luadoc? |
| 02:35.32 | Amarande | if (a & !b)? |
| 02:35.33 | KarlKFI|work | understandable |
| 02:35.35 | Amarande | oh wait, that's C |
| 02:35.47 | DWSR | Amarande: That's not C. |
| 02:35.52 | DWSR | if (a && !b). |
| 02:36.01 | Amarande | DWSR: that's probably one of my most common logic errors. |
| 02:36.02 | Kandoko | There are much worse parasites than tapeworms >.< |
| 02:36.07 | KarlKFI|work | I actually modified Luadoc to work with addons, but then i lost all the work when i upgraded to snow leopard |
| 02:36.20 | DWSR | KarlKFI: What do you mean, work with addons? |
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| 02:36.45 | cogwheel | http://health.howstuffworks.com/tapeworm-weight-loss.htm |
| 02:37.06 | Shirik | fuck |
| 02:37.10 | Shirik | one of my circuit breakers just broke |
| 02:37.14 | Shirik | and not in the way they're supposed to break |
| 02:37.21 | Shirik | and out of ALL of them, it had to be the one for the water heater |
| 02:37.24 | DWSR | Shirik: Performing its function, amirite? |
| 02:37.32 | Shirik | maybe, I don't know |
| 02:37.44 | Shirik | I guess it's fail-safe, but there was not an electrical problem with the device |
| 02:37.44 | cogwheel | lern2gaswaterheater? |
| 02:37.47 | KarlKFI|work | DWSR: see http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11749-Portfolio.html |
| 02:37.49 | DWSR | Shirik: May I point you to the Mythbusters episode about a failing water heater blowing through a 2 story house? |
| 02:37.51 | Shirik | it was an electrical problem with the breaker |
| 02:38.06 | Shirik | blowing through a 2 story house? |
| 02:38.19 | DWSR | yes/. |
| 02:38.20 | KarlKFI|work | DWSR: it contains luadocs, tho my modified generator has been lost |
| 02:38.48 | Kandoko | Shirik: quite a awsome episode |
| 02:39.01 | Kandoko | Thou they removed the pressure release valves |
| 02:39.03 | KarlKFI|work | wouldn't be too hard to recreate if you look at the source and compare it to the output |
| 02:39.03 | DWSR | If a water heaters failsafes are both faulty, a water heater will actually explode, throwing it up through 2 floors + the roof of a house. |
| 02:39.20 | DWSR | Kandoko: Also, watch the Breaking Point episode on it. They do it to an actual house, not just a mockup. |
| 02:39.24 | DWSR | House is like...gone afterwards. |
| 02:39.32 | kd3 | whee; the shuttle's ~8 miles away from the ISS |
| 02:39.52 | cogwheel | Proglottids frequently break off from the worm and are passed out of the host along with feces. However, each proglottid has functional muscles, allowing it to crawl. |
| 02:39.52 | Amarande | DWSR: Confirmed or busted? |
| 02:39.57 | Kandoko | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmJoyuUJj2Q That's the first episode, then they did a redo |
| 02:40.03 | DWSR | Amarande: 100% confirmed. |
| 02:40.14 | DWSR | Watch Kandoko's link |
| 02:40.19 | cogwheel | Amarande: best. explosion. on mythbusters. evar. |
| 02:40.28 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 02:40.37 | DWSR | The redo was really epic as well. |
| 02:40.38 | cogwheel | they even did a repeat recently |
| 02:40.49 | Amarande | wow, hopefully that never happens at home |
| 02:40.52 | kd3 | best explosion? doesn't compare to them vaporizing a cement truck? |
| 02:40.56 | Amarande | and if it does, hopefully nobody's in the bathroom at the time :P |
| 02:40.58 | Shirik | that's not fair DWSR |
| 02:41.00 | DWSR | Shirik: :D |
| 02:41.08 | Shirik | this is why water heaters have a safety valve |
| 02:41.10 | DWSR | What's not fair? |
| 02:41.13 | cogwheel | kd3: the cement truck never really impressed me |
| 02:41.18 | DWSR | Shirik: Yes, this is why they have 2 failsafes. |
| 02:41.27 | tem | THE SPARKLIES COMPELL YOU |
| 02:41.29 | tem | LOOT |
| 02:41.30 | tem | OBEY |
| 02:41.41 | kd3 | "loot the fucking core hounds!" |
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| 02:41.59 | Kandoko | http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-water-heater-evolution-high-speed.html |
| 02:42.00 | Torhal | Urk |
| 02:42.03 | WobWork | kd3: soon they'll be able to open fire once they get within 10km! |
| 02:42.06 | cogwheel | oh man... if we had had loot identification back in MC.... |
| 02:42.15 | Torhal | Still fighting with Gentoo. WOOR. |
| 02:42.27 | DWSR | Torhal: What with? |
| 02:42.55 | Shirik | Kandoko: High speed? |
| 02:42.57 | Torhal | DWSR: I'm currently on here using the LiveCD - when I try to boot with GRUB I get "Error 15: File not found" |
| 02:42.58 | DWSR | kd3: The vaporizing the cement truck didn't impress me because they had to get to the "rediculous" stage. |
| 02:43.06 | DWSR | Shirik: Yes. |
| 02:43.11 | DWSR | Shirik: They used a high speed camera. |
| 02:43.18 | Shirik | the video is very much not high speed |
| 02:43.28 | Kandoko | I personally loved the thermite on ice explosion |
| 02:43.28 | DWSR | High speed camera. |
| 02:43.34 | Kandoko | but then I love thermite |
| 02:43.35 | Shirik | they did not say high speed camera! |
| 02:44.08 | Kandoko | slaps shirk pedantic ass |
| 02:44.10 | DWSR | That is easily one of their best myths |
| 02:44.22 | Kandoko | wow, quite firm |
| 02:45.00 | cogwheel | quite firm 'cause you hit bone |
| 02:45.01 | cogwheel | imo |
| 02:45.59 | kd3 | geez oh man at the thermite+ice boom |
| 02:46.56 | Kandoko | aye raining 2500 degree molte metal :D |
| 02:48.36 | DWSR | linkeh |
| 02:48.47 | Kandoko | same discovery site |
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| 02:51.57 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 02:52.52 | Shirik | This guy is a moron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aQ1p9-EPpI&NR=1&feature=fvwp |
| 02:52.53 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: gnip. Should I add the ability to determine whether a spell is not castable based on whether or not the user has enough mana? |
| 02:53.50 | DWSR | Shirik: Indeed |
| 02:54.09 | WobWork | Shirik: I almost read that as '..guy is a mormon' |
| 02:54.28 | Kandoko | Shirik: have you ever made plasma in your microwave? |
| 02:54.34 | Shirik | ... no |
| 02:54.34 | WobWork | but he clearly has a schtick |
| 02:55.55 | cogwheel | Thermite = iron raging after oxygen dumps him for aluminum |
| 02:56.17 | Kandoko | lol |
| 02:57.28 | Kandoko | ahh, making me dig out my bookmarks, found an old site that always makes me want to try stuff. Course I should take out that life ins policy first. |
| 02:57.33 | Dagmar | Remember kids, if you catch the house on fire, you should call 911 first, then worry about how to cover it up |
| 02:57.55 | Kandoko | http://amasci.com/index.html cool little place, even if the site design is bad |
| 02:58.41 | DWSR | OH GOD MY EYES |
| 02:59.26 | DWSR | local functions are only visible in that file, right? |
| 02:59.28 | cogwheel | mmmm neodymium supermagnets |
| 02:59.47 | cogwheel | they're only visible in the scope where they're defined, to be pedantic |
| 03:00.04 | cogwheel | (since you can have local functions inside of functions) |
| 03:00.08 | WobWork | Kandoko: I'm surprised he doesn't have a WEBRING link down the bottom |
| 03:00.36 | DWSR | cogwheel: assuming that the function is just defined inside of the file, it's only visible to other functions within that file? |
| 03:00.43 | Kandoko | oh fwi the homemade "liquid nitrogen" is awsome to play with but be very very careful since its sticky, unlike real nitrogen |
| 03:01.17 | WobWork | fwi? |
| 03:01.39 | Kandoko | Fyi I can't type ask anyone in norganna dev :P |
| 03:01.43 | cogwheel | http://thecybercube.com/ (warning: site has uninvited sound, but the product is still awesome) |
| 03:01.54 | WobWork | "Do you lack WWW access? Try web-to-email gateways!" |
| 03:02.02 | DWSR | .... |
| 03:02.51 | Dagmar | Hehe I just happen to have some 99.9% alcohol around |
| 03:02.53 | Dagmar | How about that |
| 03:03.03 | WobWork | cogwheel: that's some... gratuitous sound effects |
| 03:03.50 | Kandoko | http://tesladownunder.com/tesla_coil_sparks.htm another fave, I like cto check in to see if he's killed himself yet. He builds teslas like that one jamie climbed inside in mythbusters |
| 03:03.58 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoLmAyTNRtY&feature=PlayList&p=77D76C4925109D72&index=0&playnext=1 < here's a collection of videos demonstrating them |
| 03:04.08 | Kandoko | http://tesladownunder.com/tesla_coil_sparks.htm#Pool |
| 03:04.50 | WobWork | tesla coil music makes my inner geek stand on end |
| 03:05.06 | WobWork | cogwheel: neo or cyber? |
| 03:05.13 | A-KO | lol, so my guild brought in another druid I think to try and replace me |
| 03:05.16 | A-KO | thinking I'm not that great of a druid |
| 03:05.21 | A-KO | I'm out healing this fool by *far* |
| 03:05.26 | A-KO | flexes |
| 03:05.26 | cogwheel | when i bought mine cyber had the better deal. A 7x7 cube was cheaper than the 6x6 neocube |
| 03:05.30 | Kandoko | neat |
| 03:05.57 | cogwheel | cybercube's balls are a bit smaller than neocube's iirc |
| 03:06.03 | Dagmar | Warning: Telsa coils bend your 802.11 over a barrel and take it's innocence |
| 03:06.04 | cogwheel | waits for it |
| 03:06.20 | Kandoko | how do you know? |
| 03:06.28 | Kandoko | delives the straight line |
| 03:07.12 | cogwheel | The ones by Szaki 006 are the best imo |
| 03:08.26 | Amarande | You know ... they should have tried to kill the T-1000 in T2 with a Tesla. :) |
| 03:08.37 | Amarande | It's a robot. It should scream like a girl "TESLA? NOOOOO!" |
| 03:08.39 | cogwheel | s/([67])x([67])/$1x$1x$1/ |
| 03:08.41 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 03:11.57 | DWSR | cogwheel: What the hell? |
| 03:12.16 | cogwheel | 7x7 & 6x6 don't describe cubes |
| 03:12.42 | DWSR | s/(\d)x(\d)/\1x\1x\1/ |
| 03:12.43 | DWSR | kthx |
| 03:12.52 | cogwheel | pfft imo |
| 03:13.08 | cogwheel | wtb megafarad capacitor |
| 03:13.13 | DWSR | actually. |
| 03:13.25 | DWSR | s/(\d)x(?:\d)/\1x\1x\1/ |
| 03:14.32 | DWSR | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitDebuff <- Is there a way to set name and caster without having to declare variables for the rest? |
| 03:16.03 | Jerub | A-KO: yeah, that'll happen. drood healing is werid |
| 03:16.15 | WobWork | name, _, _, _, _, _, _, caster = UnitDebuff("unit", index [, "filter"]) or UnitDebuff("unit", "name" [, "rank" [, "filter"]]) |
| 03:16.27 | DWSR | uhhh... |
| 03:16.36 | DWSR | anyone else get encoding errors for WobWork's last line? |
| 03:16.38 | WobWork | (in other words, no, not really) |
| 03:16.52 | WobWork | name, _, _, _, _, _, _, caster = UnitDebuff() ? |
| 03:17.11 | DWSR | I'm seeing A with a circumflex on top |
| 03:17.16 | WobWork | hm |
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| 03:17.36 | WobWork | name, _, _, _, _, _, _, caster = UnitDebuff(yada) |
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| 03:19.11 | DWSR | I'm going to assume that _ is just an anonymous variable? |
| 03:20.08 | Iriel | Yes |
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| 03:20.09 | Corrodias | it is the common way to discard a returned value. not sure if it's usable for anything. |
| 03:20.13 | Iriel | it's justa c onvention for a 'throwaway |
| 03:20.20 | Iriel | Sometimes you'll see a local _; above |
| 03:20.34 | Corrodias | oh neat. |
| 03:20.35 | cbreak | _ is a valid variable name |
| 03:20.47 | cbreak | so you could use the value stored in it |
| 03:21.51 | DWSR | by the way. |
| 03:21.55 | cbreak | in prolog, _ is a placeholder that has to be matched |
| 03:21.57 | DWSR | How to make objects in Lua? |
| 03:22.01 | cbreak | maybe it comes from there |
| 03:22.04 | cbreak | with {} |
| 03:22.07 | cbreak | table constructor |
| 03:22.32 | DWSR | Tutorial or more information? |
| 03:22.42 | cbreak | that's it. objects = tables. |
| 03:23.08 | cbreak | there is some syntactic sugar if you want |
| 03:23.24 | DWSR | plox. |
| 03:24.32 | cbreak | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.2 |
| 03:25.15 | kd3 | whee-- 2 miles away |
| 03:25.22 | cbreak | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.8 |
| 03:26.43 | DWSR | cbreak: Do I have to have a value for my key? |
| 03:27.02 | cbreak | yeah. they are tables, not sets. |
| 03:27.13 | DWSR | Can it just be nil? |
| 03:27.17 | cbreak | no |
| 03:27.23 | cbreak | you can not store nil inside tables |
| 03:27.25 | DWSR | Also, can I immediately do table.function? |
| 03:27.36 | cbreak | what do you mean? |
| 03:27.36 | DWSR | Or do I have to specify the function in a specific way in order to get that |
| 03:28.44 | cbreak | lua> t = {} t.f = function (t, a) print("table: "..tostring(t)..", arg: "..tostring(a) end; t:f(2) |
| 03:28.46 | lua_bot | cbreak: luabot:1: ')' expected near 'end' |
| 03:28.55 | cbreak | lua> t = {} t.f = function (t, a) print("table: "..tostring(t)..", arg: "..tostring(a)) end; t:f(2) |
| 03:28.59 | lua_bot | cbreak: table: table: 0x8977f20, arg: 2 |
| 03:29.01 | cbreak | so. |
| 03:29.28 | DWSR | t:f? |
| 03:29.32 | DWSR | I can't use t.f? |
| 03:29.37 | cbreak | sure you can |
| 03:29.46 | DWSR | What's the difference then? |
| 03:29.49 | cbreak | lua> t = {} t.f = function (t, a) print("table: "..tostring(t)..", arg: "..tostring(a)) end; t.f(t,2) |
| 03:29.49 | lua_bot | cbreak: table: table: 0x85b6f20, arg: 2 |
| 03:30.02 | cbreak | it's in the second link I gave you |
| 03:30.24 | cbreak | not sure if you know object oriented programming |
| 03:30.44 | cbreak | usually, methods have implicit access to the instance they are called on. |
| 03:30.58 | cbreak | the t:f() syntax simulates that. |
| 03:31.28 | cbreak | you'd define a function like: function (this, arg1, arg2)... |
| 03:31.41 | cbreak | there's syntactic sugar for that. |
| 03:32.15 | DWSR | But t.f doesn't? |
| 03:32.29 | cbreak | no. why should it? it just takes a function out of a table. |
| 03:33.05 | cbreak | lua> t = {} t.p = print t.p("here") |
| 03:33.07 | lua_bot | cbreak: here |
| 03:33.18 | Iriel | t:f() is roughly equivalent to t.f(t) |
| 03:33.24 | cbreak | lua> t = {} t.p = print t:p("here") |
| 03:33.28 | lua_bot | cbreak: table: 0x9a2aee0, here |
| 03:33.46 | DWSR | mkay, thanks. |
| 03:33.51 | cbreak | hope you see the difference |
| 03:33.55 | DWSR | yes, I do. |
| 03:34.00 | DWSR | Just needed some clarification |
| 03:34.11 | DWSR | Manuals are too verbose, I find. People put it much more succinctly. |
| 03:34.33 | cbreak | the lua manual is quite oeconomic with words :) |
| 03:35.03 | cbreak | lua> t = {} t.p = print t["p"](t, "here") |
| 03:35.04 | lua_bot | cbreak: table: 0x99edee8, here |
| 03:38.20 | Iriel | The other syntactic sugar you'll want to know is that... |
| 03:38.39 | Iriel | function tbl:func(x, y) print(self, x, y) end |
| 03:38.41 | Iriel | is the same as |
| 03:38.53 | Iriel | function tbl.func(self, x, y) print(self, x, y) end |
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| 03:40.34 | cbreak | or tbl["func"] = function (self, x, y) print(self, x, y) end |
| 03:42.21 | DWSR | yeah |
| 03:42.22 | cbreak | with objects you'd maybe do something like tblMeta = { __index = { func = function (self, x, y) print(self, x, y) end } } setmetatable(tbl, tblMeta) |
| 03:42.25 | cogwheel | FU whoever linked "Is it a good idea to microwave this" |
| 03:42.53 | DWSR | cbreak: are parameters always optional? |
| 03:43.02 | DWSR | for functions. |
| 03:43.04 | DWSR | i.e. |
| 03:43.09 | cbreak | no |
| 03:43.16 | DWSR | If I define a function func(a, b) can I call it with func(a)? |
| 03:43.20 | Iriel | Not exactly, declared parameters become implicitly nil |
| 03:43.23 | cbreak | some functions will not do anything useful or even error if you pass the wrong or not at all |
| 03:43.25 | Iriel | so you dont have to pass all the parameters |
| 03:43.39 | Iriel | correct, you can call func(1) or func() or func(1,2,3) |
| 03:43.45 | DWSR | ah, ok, thanks. |
| 03:43.57 | Iriel | If you use varag parameters function func(...) ....... end |
| 03:44.02 | Iriel | then you can tell how many things were passed |
| 03:44.11 | Iriel | otherwise, you'll just get what you sked for with nil's for the missing ones |
| 03:44.40 | cbreak | lua> f = function (a) if type(a) == "number then return a*2 else error("Not a number") end end print(f(1)) print(f("2")) |
| 03:44.41 | lua_bot | cbreak: luabot:1: 'then' expected near 'Not' |
| 03:45.03 | cbreak | lua> f = function (a) if type(a) == "number" then return a*2 else error("Not a number") end end print(f(1)) print(f("2")) |
| 03:45.05 | lua_bot | cbreak: 2, luabot:1: Not a number |
| 03:45.21 | DWSR | Does anyone have an example of a class/spec where it matters who casted a particular buff on the player for their rotation? |
| 03:45.40 | cbreak | focus magic? |
| 03:45.47 | cbreak | (from arcane mages) |
| 03:45.50 | Jerub | DWSR: rejuv+nourish? |
| 03:45.52 | DWSR | cbreak: Doesn't matter for a rotation |
| 03:45.58 | DWSR | All that matters is that it's applied. |
| 03:46.12 | cbreak | it matters for me that mine is applied |
| 03:46.20 | DWSR | cbreak: I'm talking about applied on you |
| 03:46.24 | DWSR | You can't apply FM on yourself. |
| 03:46.33 | cbreak | no, but I can cast it on the tank, or an other mage |
| 03:46.38 | DWSR | Also, this is for a rotation against a PvE enemy like a boss. |
| 03:46.41 | cbreak | depending on who it is applied to, it is useful or not :) |
| 03:46.46 | DWSR | not "Hai, did you apply this buff" |
| 03:48.35 | DWSR | cbreak: But this isn't checking if you applied the FM buff to someone else. This is checking if, say Arcane Empowerement is applied to you |
| 03:50.02 | cbreak | arcane rotations are reactive anyway. depends a lot on procs. |
| 03:50.15 | DWSR | right. |
| 03:50.16 | cbreak | the procs are all self buffs |
| 03:50.25 | DWSR | Are there any classes where who buffed YOU with X matters? |
| 03:50.46 | Jerub | DWSR: not that i'm aware of. the 'who' is immaterial. why the question? |
| 03:50.46 | DWSR | I know that therea re debuffs that matter. |
| 03:50.51 | DWSR | Jerub: Building an addon |
| 03:50.56 | cbreak | where it matters for me? only insofar as that different people have different levels of a buff |
| 03:52.51 | cbreak | maybe for a tank, if the noob hunter applied MD he has to do more threat than when the fullepic hunter MDed |
| 03:53.44 | cbreak | note to self: get more monitors for IRC windows. |
| 03:55.28 | Jerub | DWSR: oh, i just thought of one. |
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| 03:56.05 | Jerub | DWSR: you want to know who cast the pally bubble of "piss the healer off" so you can kick him from the raid. |
| 03:57.25 | DWSR | I'd rather that remain anonymous, akshully. |
| 03:57.27 | cbreak | I don't see that a pala bubble could annoy anyone |
| 03:57.33 | cbreak | unless it is cast on the tank |
| 03:57.37 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:57.53 | cbreak | and then it'd probably annoy the dps, not the healers |
| 03:58.19 | WobWork | pft it annoys the healers |
| 03:58.24 | WobWork | cause the dps get one shot for no apparent reason |
| 03:58.35 | DWSR | Can I do == on strings in Lua? |
| 03:58.49 | WobWork | yes |
| 03:59.06 | DWSR | k |
| 03:59.09 | DWSR | This isn't shitty Java. |
| 03:59.13 | DWSR | Where strings aren't a primitive type |
| 03:59.45 | cbreak | you can do == in C++ too, and there strings are not primitive at all :) |
| 03:59.51 | cbreak | (yay for operator overloading!) |
| 03:59.57 | cogwheel | ++ |
| 04:00.00 | cbreak | lua has that too btw |
| 04:00.05 | cbreak | metatables FTW! |
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| 04:01.20 | kd3 | whee. space shuttle backflip time |
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| 04:03.35 | DWSR | Can I have a local variable with the same name as a parameter? |
| 04:03.53 | DWSR | ie func(a) local a; end; |
| 04:04.37 | Shirik | sure |
| 04:04.48 | Shirik | you can make as many variables as you want with the same name |
| 04:05.05 | Shirik | lua> loadstring(("local a;"):rep(500)) |
| 04:05.07 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil, [string "local a;local a;local a;local a;local a;local a;local a;local a..."]:1: main function has more than 200 local variables |
| 04:05.09 | Shirik | er |
| 04:05.13 | Shirik | ok, you can have 200... |
| 04:05.16 | DWSR | lol |
| 04:05.17 | Shirik | lua> loadstring(("local a;"):rep(200)) |
| 04:05.18 | lua_bot | Shirik: function: 0x8c99168 |
| 04:05.22 | DWSR | How do you differentiate? |
| 04:05.27 | Shirik | you don't :P |
| 04:05.34 | Shirik | Well, short answer: you don't |
| 04:05.42 | DWSR | long answer? |
| 04:05.42 | Shirik | Long answer: If you have access to the debug library, you access it by index |
| 04:06.06 | Shirik | !api debug.getlocal |
| 04:06.07 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'debug.getlocal' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-debug.getlocal |
| 04:07.05 | cbreak | you probably should not do that. |
| 04:07.10 | Dagmar | wtb catsup to put on all this lag |
| 04:07.14 | Shirik | what cbreak said :P |
| 04:07.38 | cogwheel | hopefully that was taken as implied by "debug" |
| 04:07.41 | cogwheel | :P |
| 04:07.42 | Shirik | ^ |
| 04:09.06 | cbreak | lua> print(string.dump(function () print("abc") end)) |
| 04:09.07 | lua_bot | cbreak: LuaQ |
| 04:09.27 | cbreak | lua> print(string.format("%q", string.dump(function () print("abc") end))) |
| 04:09.27 | lua_bot | 000000000000=luabot000 |
| 04:09.27 | lua_bot | 000000000000000000000000000000000000A@000000@000 |
| 04:09.27 | lua_bot | 000000000 |
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| 04:10.02 | AbsolutRayne | Yay for BG9 being absolutely terrible |
| 04:10.58 | Dagmar | Interesting |
| 04:11.28 | cbreak | lua functions consist mostly of null. |
| 04:13.28 | Shirik | lua> string.format("%q", string.dump(loadstring("function(a,b,c,d,e) " .. ("local abcde = abcde + 1; "):rep(150) .. "end"))) |
| 04:13.29 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'dump' (function expected, got nil) |
| 04:14.04 | Shirik | lua> string.format("%q", string.dump(loadstring("local abcde = abcde + 1; "):rep(150))) |
| 04:14.04 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to index a function value |
| 04:14.07 | Shirik | I hate you |
| 04:14.30 | Shirik | lua> string.format("%q", string.dump(loadstring(("local abcde = abcde + 1; "):rep(150) ) )) |
| 04:14.42 | Shirik | disagree cbreak! |
| 04:14.50 | Shirik | trivial functions consist mostly of null :P |
| 04:15.18 | cbreak | my method does more than yours. |
| 04:15.25 | Shirik | well, functionally, yes |
| 04:15.29 | Shirik | as far as the bytecode is concerned, no |
| 04:15.53 | cbreak | well, from both our samples, I conclude |
| 04:15.59 | cbreak | lua functions consist mostly out of dead code |
| 04:16.12 | Shirik | huh? o.O |
| 04:16.13 | cbreak | ... or nulls :) |
| 04:16.44 | cbreak | is a great statistician! |
| 04:16.58 | AbsolutRayne | So much for raiding tonight. :/ |
| 04:17.09 | Dagmar | It's a bit lag-o-licious |
| 04:17.16 | DWSR | My BG isn't bad. |
| 04:17.28 | AbsolutRayne | Dagmar: I cant even get past Retrieving Character List on my server. |
| 04:17.35 | cbreak | on my server, we had lag since weeks. since sunday it's terrible. |
| 04:17.37 | Amarande | Is it patch day? |
| 04:17.44 | cbreak | I don't think so |
| 04:17.46 | Amarande | I haven't been on WoW in a few weeks |
| 04:17.48 | cbreak | last week was patch day |
| 04:17.55 | Amarande | what's new in 3.3.1? |
| 04:17.56 | Dagmar | AbsolutRayne: it'll take a _while_ |
| 04:17.59 | AbsolutRayne | BG9 has been especially bad. |
| 04:18.10 | Amarande | Why does everyone want to play on BG9, anyway? |
| 04:18.13 | cbreak | ah well. |
| 04:18.15 | AbsolutRayne | Dagmar: Ive been waiting about 45 minutes. I got tired of it past 5. |
| 04:18.19 | cbreak | 05:18, bed time. |
| 04:18.24 | AbsolutRayne | Amarande: Most competative Battleground for Arenas |
| 04:18.29 | Amarande | I don't think I've ever been on BG9 ... I've been on Stormstrike and Emberstorm, and I don't know their BG numbers |
| 04:18.32 | Dagmar | AbsolutRayne: Weird. It took several minutes for me to see "Retrieveing characters" disappear |
| 04:18.52 | Dagmar | Zoning, mailbox updates, stuff like that is still slow as hell |
| 04:19.11 | Thunder_Child | Shirik cbreak: i blame you guys for the CTCP crap i am getting from lua_bot |
| 04:19.20 | AbsolutRayne | Dagmar: When it was up earlier, I was on Blue bar for 20+ mins easy. It died between the time I went and got my wife from work. |
| 04:19.21 | Shirik | Are you using xchat? |
| 04:19.29 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 04:19.35 | Shirik | what are you using? |
| 04:19.46 | Thunder_Child | quassel |
| 04:19.51 | Shirik | yet another client that doesn't know how to properly parse CTCP messages apparently |
| 04:20.43 | Amarande | what's the list of BG numbers, anyway? |
| 04:20.51 | Amarande | I only know of the names |
| 04:20.57 | Dagmar | Dude, *nothing* parses CTCP 100% correctly or intelligently |
| 04:21.14 | Shirik | No, but xchat has a serious vulnerability in its CTCP parsing |
| 04:21.16 | Dagmar | Like, unknown CTCPs should be ignored, but most of the clients don't ignore it, they spew a bunch of crap at the user |
| 04:21.18 | Shirik | and I'm going to bet quassel has the same one |
| 04:21.31 | Dagmar | You might wanna qualify "vulnerability" |
| 04:21.49 | Amarande | Ahh, I"ve been on BG5 and (unnumbered BG) |
| 04:21.58 | Shirik | "Convincing the client that it has received a CTCP message from someone other than the sender" |
| 04:22.01 | Amarande | BG5 is sort of a black sheep in the community now |
| 04:22.03 | Amarande | at least for Horde |
| 04:22.04 | Amarande | :S |
| 04:22.24 | Amarande | it's the battlegroup where Horde screwed all the other battlegroups over by being TOO GOOD |
| 04:22.30 | Shirik | You could cause it to spam a channel or multiple channels if you want to |
| 04:22.45 | Amarande | If you're Horde and not on BG5 ... you probably noticed you basically couldn't win AV worth shit for months after 2.4 or so |
| 04:22.50 | Amarande | That's BG5's fault LOL |
| 04:23.02 | AbsolutRayne | Cho'gall is on BG5 isnt it? |
| 04:23.06 | Amarande | Not sure. |
| 04:23.09 | Amarande | I know Turalyon is. |
| 04:23.20 | AbsolutRayne | Im pretty sure their Alliance to Horde active is 1:12.5 |
| 04:23.28 | AbsolutRayne | Or something absolutely stupid like that. |
| 04:23.30 | Amarande | The trouble with BG5 was pretty simple |
| 04:23.46 | Amarande | Horde had a very strong win % in AV there (there's one other BG in which that was the case too but I forget which) |
| 04:24.02 | Amarande | so Alliance lost heart and stopped playing (some say there was even an official boycott, but I'm not sure if that was actually the case) |
| 04:24.22 | Amarande | and then Horde were saddled with literally 3-4+ hour queues to play just a single game of AV |
| 04:24.31 | Amarande | so they complained to Blizzard ... who did the only thing they could do |
| 04:24.45 | Amarande | which was rebalance AV to give Alliance more advantages |
| 04:24.52 | Amarande | of course, that just BONED the other BG's, where Horde was even at best |
| 04:25.33 | Amarande | Actually, it was a reason that as Horde I transferred off of BG5, though |
| 04:25.42 | Amarande | At the time I didn't realize EOTS was also reasonably efficient honor |
| 04:25.50 | Amarande | and I was in a gear spiral of ultimate sadness |
| 04:26.08 | Amarande | due to the fact that it was spring 2008, and I had recently dinged 70 ... and heroics basically expected you to have kara grade gear, kara basically expected heroic grade gear |
| 04:26.31 | Amarande | and the only way to really get around it on BG5 anyway, was to get at least something of a leg up in gear through PvP epics |
| 04:26.47 | Amarande | ... which then I realized I had no chance to get, anyway, because I couldn't find a reasonable source of honor with AV almost unplayable |
| 04:27.02 | Amarande | ahh, the crappitude of late BC |
| 04:27.18 | Amarande | WotLK has really gone a long way to alleviate that, however much some of the hardcore may complain |
| 04:27.55 | Amarande | BC, pretty much the only reasonable goal I ended up with on my 70 was to have fun chatting with my guild, and get my netherdrake |
| 04:29.40 | Amarande | Lemme guess. TL;DR. |
| 04:29.41 | Amarande | LOL |
| 04:30.43 | cogwheel | lolwut |
| 04:30.44 | DWSR | yes |
| 04:30.51 | DWSR | You should be banned for flooding./ |
| 04:31.02 | DWSR | Also, the enter key is not for punctuation |
| 04:31.23 | Thunder_Child | so |
| 04:31.24 | Thunder_Child | says |
| 04:31.26 | Thunder_Child | you |
| 04:31.27 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: |
| 04:31.31 | Thunder_Child | s/:// |
| 04:31.49 | cogwheel | ~thunder_child |
| 04:31.49 | purl | Thunder_Child is an asshole |
| 04:32.01 | Dagmar | #@$!$ zone lag is fun |
| 04:32.17 | Dagmar | Go to tram, zone no worky. Go to flight master... *poof* teleported into zone |
| 04:34.15 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 04:36.56 | Amarande | Dagmar: I still remember the one and only time I tried EQ |
| 04:37.07 | Amarande | I had a dialup connection at the time ... I hailed a merchant, and was halfway across town when the shop window came up |
| 04:42.15 | DWSR | Anyone in here that uses Luadoc? |
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| 04:42.26 | awweaver | Hola |
| 04:42.53 | DWSR | Bonjour |
| 04:42.56 | DWSR | Comment ca va? |
| 04:43.01 | awweaver | wuh? |
| 04:43.08 | DWSR | Parles-tu francais? |
| 04:43.17 | awweaver | you did what with your mother? |
| 04:43.23 | DWSR | maird. |
| 04:43.30 | awweaver | ..... |
| 04:43.33 | DWSR | :D |
| 04:43.35 | DWSR | I'm just playing with you |
| 04:44.04 | awweaver | i know, and i dont know any other langues besides English, Lua, Java, and BASIC |
| 04:44.37 | awweaver | java and basic im rusty in but i could pick it back up at any time |
| 04:45.57 | awweaver | oh and some gua'ld seeing as ive watched almost every stargate episode |
| 04:46.06 | awweaver | hwo do u spell that word... |
| 04:46.13 | awweaver | ... |
| 04:46.24 | DWSR | Goa'uld. |
| 04:46.49 | awweaver | yea that one... |
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| 04:50.48 | WobWork | Jaffa, kree! |
| 04:53.11 | awweaver | oh god |
| 04:53.13 | DWSR | Tec muh tay |
| 04:53.22 | awweaver | .... |
| 04:53.41 | Adys | With a friend we clearly established "Goa'uld" is goauld for "douchebag" and "Jaffa kree" means "Come here and suck my cock." |
| 04:53.58 | Shirik | ..? |
| 04:54.00 | DWSR | Somehow, I wouldn't be surprised. |
| 04:54.13 | Adys | after a few hundred episodes it becomes quite clear |
| 04:54.24 | awweaver | If osmeone joins chat as Bra'tak i will be in schock... |
| 04:54.54 | awweaver | or someone from the show... |
| 04:55.06 | Shirik | DWSR, je ne peux pas te permitter(sp?) parler en français ici. |
| 04:55.06 | batbot | Shirik, permitted. |
| 04:55.10 | Shirik | And that was probably horrible |
| 04:55.14 | Adys | lol batbot |
| 04:55.17 | Adys | ~batbot-- |
| 04:55.19 | Shirik | that was one of the more complex french sentences I've said in a while -_- |
| 04:55.22 | Adys | it was pretty good |
| 04:55.25 | DWSR | Not bad. |
| 04:55.26 | Adys | it's "permettre" |
| 04:55.29 | DWSR | mhm |
| 04:55.31 | Shirik | I didn't bother to look it up :P |
| 04:55.34 | Adys | and you need "permettre de" |
| 04:55.47 | Shirik | too many verbs in one sentence |
| 04:55.51 | Adys | I cannot allow TO speak |
| 04:56.00 | Shirik | ah |
| 04:56.10 | Shirik | that's why I used the infinitive though |
| 04:56.18 | Shirik | but ok |
| 04:56.19 | DWSR | except you used a noun. |
| 04:56.29 | Adys | it's not <allow> <to speak> |
| 04:56.35 | Adys | it's <allow to> <speak> |
| 04:56.38 | Shirik | ah |
| 04:56.39 | Shirik | yeah |
| 04:56.48 | Shirik | man |
| 04:56.53 | Shirik | why couldn't my french teacher explain it that easily |
| 04:57.02 | Adys | because I'm AWESOME? :p |
| 04:57.06 | Shirik | negative |
| 04:57.09 | DWSR | Shirik: Because your French teacher, and mine, were raised in Canada? |
| 04:57.14 | Shirik | {{citation needed}} |
| 04:57.14 | DWSR | Adys: Assertion failed. |
| 04:57.40 | Adys | it's {{cite}} |
| 04:57.49 | DWSR | Assertion failed. |
| 04:58.01 | Shirik | Actually there's a lot :P |
| 04:58.03 | Shirik | I use {{fact}} |
| 04:58.07 | Shirik | But I figured nobody would get {{fact}} |
| 04:58.22 | DWSR | Shirik: wiki is such a rediculous markup language. |
| 04:58.26 | awweaver | im confused... |
| 04:58.31 | DWSR | And I probably think that mostly because I don't use it/know it |
| 04:58.37 | Shirik | Well it's only the {{ }} that matter |
| 04:58.51 | DWSR | awweaver: {{fact}} is a tag used on wikipedia that generates "citation needed" in superscript. |
| 04:58.52 | Adys | oh |
| 04:58.53 | Shirik | it's just a template, and there are a million names for the same thing because that's what was written |
| 04:58.54 | DWSR | Shirik: Yeah. |
| 04:58.58 | Adys | it's a redirect |
| 04:59.08 | Shirik | I think I pissed off the wiki |
| 04:59.08 | awweaver | ok... |
| 04:59.13 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fact |
| 04:59.16 | Shirik | I asked it to show me all uses of {{fact}} accidentally |
| 04:59.22 | Shirik | instead of all redirects |
| 04:59.25 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 04:59.42 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Citation_needed&limit=500 |
| 04:59.44 | Adys | lawl |
| 05:00.12 | DWSR | what is a transclusion? |
| 05:00.18 | Shirik | It means it was used there |
| 05:00.32 | DWSR | as opposed to not being used there? |
| 05:00.37 | Adys | no |
| 05:00.40 | Shirik | Normally that page just shows links |
| 05:00.41 | Adys | it means it's used as a template |
| 05:00.44 | Shirik | like normal links |
| 05:00.54 | Adys | as in, its content is transcluded in the page |
| 05:00.57 | Shirik | transclusion is actually like embedding it in the page, like you would expect from a template |
| 05:01.01 | DWSR | ah |
| 05:01.16 | Shirik | For example |
| 05:01.36 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Shirik/PGP |
| 05:01.40 | awweaver | Ok in this bit of code i want it to check the list of people to see if the current target is on the list and if so it out puts the messages... http://wowuidev.pastey.net/132745 |
| 05:01.45 | Shirik | one of those is a link, one is a transclusion |
| 05:01.48 | Shirik | it should be fairly obvious why |
| 05:01.56 | Adys | you have a gay userpage |
| 05:02.02 | awweaver | but as of right now it doesnt work and i have no idea why |
| 05:02.06 | Shirik | you have a gay face! |
| 05:02.21 | Adys | you have a gay underwear in bed |
| 05:02.29 | DWSR | Adys: Grammatical fail. |
| 05:02.30 | Adys | ASK ME HOW I KNOW THAT |
| 05:02.37 | Shirik | pics plz |
| 05:02.49 | awweaver | Pics or it didnt happen |
| 05:02.52 | DWSR | picz or it didn't happen |
| 05:02.59 | awweaver | u owe me a coke |
| 05:03.03 | Adys | oh it happened |
| 05:03.06 | Adys | it happened all right |
| 05:03.34 | Shirik | finally |
| 05:03.36 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Citation_needed&hidelinks=1&hidetrans=1 |
| 05:03.36 | Adys | is it only me who thinks these userboxes are like IE toolbars |
| 05:03.40 | Shirik | all redirects to {{citation needed}} |
| 05:03.46 | awweaver | so anyone got a soultion to my problemo? |
| 05:04.03 | Shirik | 31 |
| 05:04.10 | Adys | +11 |
| 05:04.20 | awweaver | ... |
| 05:04.33 | awweaver | calc 31+11 |
| 05:04.35 | awweaver | .. |
| 05:04.50 | cogwheel | lua> 31+11 |
| 05:04.53 | lua_bot | cogwheel: 42 |
| 05:05.04 | Adys | I'm sorry did you come here for wow ui development issues? this really isn't the right channel |
| 05:05.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (~callahan@74-141-240-27.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 05:05.12 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 05:05.18 | Shirik | btw Adys |
| 05:05.21 | awweaver | Adys...lol |
| 05:05.28 | Shirik | my talk page has a kitten on it |
| 05:05.34 | Shirik | that totally destroys any gayness you can assert |
| 05:05.36 | Adys | I bet it's a gay kitten |
| 05:05.49 | DWSR | Shirik: I pet you not. |
| 05:05.52 | awweaver | KITTENS ON THE INTERNET MUS DIE,oops sorry terrets took over |
| 05:05.55 | DWSR | Get it? |
| 05:05.58 | DWSR | Get it? |
| 05:06.04 | Adys | no |
| 05:06.08 | Shirik | p.s. |
| 05:06.27 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Petition_against_kitten_abuse |
| 05:06.38 | Torhal | DWSR: I'm downloading the DVD. The minimal-install CD was either fucked, or the instructions were jacked. |
| 05:06.42 | awweaver | so i take i should ask somewhere else... |
| 05:06.46 | DWSR | Torhal: Minimal install is fail. |
| 05:06.51 | Amarande | awweaver, this little guy will scratch your eyes out then: http://dailysquee.com/2010/02/05/cute-baby-animals-not-a-dust-bunny/ |
| 05:06.51 | DWSR | Torhal: You want the regular install DVD. |
| 05:07.02 | Torhal | DWSR: No wonder I was headdesking for hours |
| 05:07.07 | Torhal | I'm too fucking stubborn |
| 05:07.19 | awweaver | No comment |
| 05:07.20 | Amarande | Torhal: which dist? |
| 05:07.27 | Torhal | No matter what I did, GRUB always gave me "Error 15: File not found" |
| 05:07.34 | Torhal | Amarande: Gentoo |
| 05:07.44 | Amarande | ahh, I'm not macho enough for gentoo lol |
| 05:07.47 | Amarande | is a debian diehard |
| 05:07.54 | awweaver | Ubuntu is awesome us it, it just works |
| 05:07.59 | Shirik | I just figured out what is going on with my circuit breaker |
| 05:08.06 | Torhal | I was going to install Debian, but DWSR convinced me to try Gentoo |
| 05:08.08 | DWSR | Shirik: Did you hot water tank explode too? |
| 05:08.08 | Amarande | really should see if FGLRX is working properly now so I can see about getting WoW again |
| 05:08.17 | DWSR | your* |
| 05:08.18 | Adys | Shirik why in ass name would you want to be a wp admin |
| 05:08.19 | Shirik | there's two breakers tied together, one of them is trying to break and the other is holding it back |
| 05:08.28 | Shirik | Adys: See [[WP:WTHN]] |
| 05:08.32 | Torhal | awweaver: Ubuntu (which I'm using now) is retarded as far as locking you into packages |
| 05:08.43 | awweaver | .... |
| 05:08.45 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 05:08.46 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 05:08.51 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: DWSR just trolled you |
| 05:08.53 | Torhal | And when something requires an update, sometimes it will suddenly have three new dependencies |
| 05:09.12 | Shirik | Adys: Put simply, it will allow me to maintain something I rely on on a daily basis |
| 05:09.32 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Owell. |
| 05:09.34 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 05:09.35 | awweaver | Ok in this bit of code i want it to check the list of people to see if the current target is on the list and if so it out puts the messages... http://wowuidev.pastey.net/132745 |
| 05:09.48 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: which packages are you referring to as far as locking you into? |
| 05:10.29 | Adys | Shirik: I was wowwiki admin and it involved so much drama, I'd never EVER try adminship on any well-sized wiki |
| 05:10.29 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I can't install the latest Wine beta. Ubuntu complains that wine-1.2 is not installed and is a requirement |
| 05:10.41 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 05:10.44 | Torhal | Exactly |
| 05:10.52 | Adys | Torhal: how are you trying to install it? |
| 05:11.09 | kd3 | there's a good bit less drama now |
| 05:11.13 | kd3 | fandy's gone |
| 05:11.14 | Hjalte | In case you didn't see it in #wowace ; Battle.net Authenticator on Android Market. |
| 05:11.14 | Torhal | I aptitude remove wine-1.2 and then set up the ppa for the official Wine beta and it freaks |
| 05:11.17 | Adys | gone as in? |
| 05:11.32 | kd3 | gone. he gave up 'cratship and transferred to answers |
| 05:11.38 | Adys | lawl |
| 05:11.45 | Adys | drama will come back |
| 05:11.52 | Shirik | kd3: Who's fandy? |
| 05:11.59 | Shirik | (I got disconnected) |
| 05:12.01 | Adys | it's a wiki, it's like saying a magnet won't stick on a fridge because you removed it |
| 05:12.05 | Adys | Shirik: a douchebag |
| 05:12.07 | Arrowmaster | was that the guy protecting rolandis? |
| 05:12.11 | kd3 | yes |
| 05:12.12 | Adys | rolandius |
| 05:12.21 | kd3 | so fucking glad we pbanned him |
| 05:12.27 | Shirik | this is some wowwiki thing? |
| 05:12.29 | kd3 | yes |
| 05:12.30 | Adys | Ya |
| 05:12.39 | Amarande | Wine was never what really held me back from gaming on Linux, though |
| 05:12.46 | Arrowmaster | i only know the short version of it |
| 05:12.52 | Adys | Fandyllic demoted me as admin because I permabanned rolandius :p |
| 05:12.52 | kd3 | be glad |
| 05:13.04 | Amarande | It was that the last time I used Linux, the only Radeon drivers with 3D hardware acceleration on my card were the closed source ATI drivers |
| 05:13.15 | Amarande | and those were of EPIC level instability |
| 05:13.19 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: the still are afaik |
| 05:13.21 | Adys | "were"? |
| 05:13.23 | Adys | they still are |
| 05:13.30 | Amarande | Adys: do they still crash the kernel when switching users or logging out? |
| 05:13.37 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 05:13.38 | Torhal | ATI on Linux is like alpha-quality |
| 05:13.40 | *** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (~cncfanati@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 05:13.40 | Amarande | if not, then they're not as bad as they were in 2008 |
| 05:13.43 | Adys | they still crash the kernel WHENEVER THEY FEEL LIKE IT |
| 05:13.48 | Arrowmaster | nobody sane uses ATI on linux, we all get nvidia cards |
| 05:14.00 | Adys | that said, nobody sane uses ATI |
| 05:14.06 | Amarande | this is what I get for having a fucking 3870 |
| 05:14.19 | Thunder_Child | "<Arrowmaster> nobody sane uses ATI" fixed |
| 05:14.27 | Adys | Thunder_Child: old |
| 05:14.35 | Thunder_Child | so are you Adys |
| 05:14.41 | Adys | OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD |
| 05:14.53 | *** join/#wowuidev reeCe (~reecd@120.19.92.82) |
| 05:15.00 | Amarande | actually, I ended up with a 3870 as the result of trying to *diagnose* a problem years ago |
| 05:15.02 | Thunder_Child | sic's Fisker on Adys |
| 05:15.14 | Amarande | Years ago, I had defective RAM. You probably remember me whining back in the 2.4 days about WoW crashing constantly with 131 errors. |
| 05:15.23 | Adys | unfortunately I do |
| 05:15.32 | Amarande | This turned out to be because of defective RAM that took nearly 4 hours of memtest to error at all :S |
| 05:15.39 | Adys | I remember that too |
| 05:15.41 | Adys | I wonder how |
| 05:15.44 | Amarande | however, originally, as one might reasonably think, I thought it was the video drivers that were at fault |
| 05:16.03 | Amarande | and since there were no upgrades for my nVidia drivers, I ended up upgrading to an ATI card, in hopes that things would stabilize |
| 05:16.21 | Amarande | it was a fine enough decision till I 1) realized it was the RAM anyway, and 2) got Linux. |
| 05:16.38 | Amarande | Adys: apparently only WoW, memtest, and maybe Guild Wars ever showed problems |
| 05:16.46 | Amarande | nothing else was ever able to reliably trigger it |
| 05:16.56 | Adys | out of the blue like that |
| 05:17.07 | Adys | I'd say, probably a game of life generator would trigger it |
| 05:17.13 | Shirik | adys |
| 05:17.15 | Shirik | are you drunk |
| 05:17.16 | Amarande | actually, I did get Aero crashes in Vista on an intermittent, random basis ... but not consistently, and that's the sort of thing that would also make one think it was the video driver :| |
| 05:17.25 | Adys | no baby, I'm high |
| 05:17.27 | Adys | why? |
| 05:17.38 | Shirik | you seem very random :P |
| 05:17.44 | Shirik | like |
| 05:17.45 | Shirik | more than usual |
| 05:17.48 | Adys | where the fuck have you been the past 2 years |
| 05:17.52 | Shirik | ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 05:18.08 | Amarande | maybe I should go nVidia though |
| 05:18.11 | Amarande | but not until at least the fall |
| 05:18.16 | Adys | lol "maybe" |
| 05:18.22 | Amarande | I need to save my moneys for the Eternal badge for Dragon Con, and that's a grand |
| 05:19.00 | Thunder_Child | he has been living in a computer Adys, where the hell have you been? |
| 05:19.08 | Amarande | oh well, by then cata will probably be out and maybe I'll actually feel like playing wow again |
| 05:19.09 | Shirik | wtf you mean living in |
| 05:19.10 | Shirik | I AM |
| 05:19.24 | Amarande | is still wondering what they'll end up calling the new types of metal this time |
| 05:19.37 | Thunder_Child | no Shirik, you are not enough of an asshole to be a computer |
| 05:19.44 | Adys | You'd be surprised if you looked at the game files |
| 05:19.48 | Adys | theres a lot of unused metal names |
| 05:19.59 | Amarande | never looked, got a list? :) |
| 05:20.13 | Adys | like for 3.2, what ended up being some saronite remake, used to be called "Yoggthorite" |
| 05:20.23 | Amarande | Adys: I like calling it "god poop" :) |
| 05:20.32 | Amarande | HAHA ARTHAS, YOUR FORTRESS IS MADE OF GOD POOP |
| 05:20.34 | Adys | fap at whatever you want |
| 05:20.53 | DWSR | lulz |
| 05:21.01 | Shirik | wow Thunder_Child |
| 05:21.03 | Amarande | I'm just glad I got my blacksmithing and engineering to 300 before I went on my current hiatus |
| 05:21.06 | Shirik | I think that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me |
| 05:21.08 | Amarande | I feel bad for people trying to level them post cata |
| 05:21.20 | Thunder_Child | thats sad then isnt it Shirik |
| 05:21.21 | Adys | Shirik: what he meant is you don't segfault oftene nough |
| 05:21.35 | Amarande | especially with for instance entire *zones* of mithril and thorium sometimes vanishing |
| 05:21.37 | Amarande | like azshara |
| 05:21.39 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/371/ |
| 05:21.43 | Amarande | right now it's a decent source of thorium and mithril |
| 05:21.47 | Amarande | cata? it'll be copper |
| 05:21.54 | Amarande | like kalimdor really NEEDED ANY MORE COPPER |
| 05:21.54 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:22.15 | Amarande | you can barely even walk five feet in Kalimdor without tripping over copper as it is |
| 05:22.32 | DWSR | !api partymembers |
| 05:22.32 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'partymembers': GetNumPartyMembers, GetRealNumPartyMembers |
| 05:22.36 | DWSR | O_O |
| 05:22.40 | DWSR | There's a fake number? |
| 05:22.44 | DWSR | !api GetNumPartyMembers |
| 05:22.44 | lua_bot | GetNumPartyMembers: Returns the number of additional members in the player's party (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetNumPartyMembers) |
| 05:22.59 | Adys | !api getrealnumparty |
| 05:23.00 | lua_bot | GetRealNumPartyMembers: Returns the number of members in the player's non-battleground party (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetRealNumPartyMembers) |
| 05:23.09 | DWSR | ah |
| 05:23.15 | DWSR | yeah, just saw that |
| 05:23.20 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:23.23 | Adys | should be GetNumRealParty |
| 05:23.25 | Shirik | today's xkcd took me a few seconds to get |
| 05:24.02 | DWSR | Shirik: HOW? |
| 05:24.08 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:24.19 | DWSR | How did it take you that long to get? |
| 05:24.34 | Adys | i dont get it :( |
| 05:24.38 | Adys | but i havent seen batman |
| 05:24.41 | Amarande | I'm still curious if the deepdive helm is going to become a trainer schematic in cata or if it will be a rare and precious thing |
| 05:24.45 | Shirik | I haven't seen batman either |
| 05:24.50 | DWSR | O_O |
| 05:24.52 | Shirik | but then I made the connection through robot chicken |
| 05:24.53 | Amarande | that engineers will actually have to buy off other engineers, unlike most eng items |
| 05:24.58 | Adys | I havent seen that either |
| 05:24.58 | DWSR | You both live under rocks. |
| 05:25.04 | Shirik | no |
| 05:25.07 | Amarande | <3 deepdive helm, it makes Desolace actually fun |
| 05:25.08 | Shirik | according to Thunder_Child I live in a computer |
| 05:25.29 | DWSR | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1597 |
| 05:25.35 | DWSR | This is how I felt when I got my 4pT10 |
| 05:25.40 | Amarande | ooh, it's wednesday morning, time for xkcd |
| 05:25.50 | Adys | Amarande: why wouldnt the vendor stay? |
| 05:26.11 | *** join/#wowuidev calrik (~calrik@dsl-58-7-122-170.wa.westnet.com.au) |
| 05:26.43 | Amarande | Adys: it depends on what they have in mind for Azshara |
| 05:27.01 | Adys | they can always move the vendor |
| 05:27.22 | awweaver | So seriously can someone help me with something? |
| 05:27.38 | DWSR | awweaver: This isn't the channel you're looking for. |
| 05:27.40 | DWSR | Move along |
| 05:27.51 | awweaver | since when? |
| 05:27.59 | DWSR | headdesks |
| 05:27.59 | awweaver | ive gotten help here b4... |
| 05:28.02 | DWSR | Shirik: Did you get that reference? |
| 05:28.03 | Adys | how many times does a joke need to be considered overused? |
| 05:28.07 | Adys | I think once is enough |
| 05:28.16 | Shirik | which reference? |
| 05:28.21 | Jerub | that's what she said. |
| 05:28.27 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:28.29 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:28.32 | Shirik | but star trek is better |
| 05:28.33 | DWSR | Thank you |
| 05:28.53 | Shirik | I would rather a "You will code WoW addons. Resistance is futile." |
| 05:29.09 | awweaver | IM trying... |
| 05:29.18 | DWSR | awweaver: You're not much for sci-fi, are you? |
| 05:29.27 | Adys | awweaver: I suggest restating your original issue |
| 05:29.34 | Adys | as it's probably been lost under thousands of lines |
| 05:29.38 | awweaver | Im dioing an extened marathon on the stargate series... |
| 05:30.06 | awweaver | Ok in this bit of code i want it to check the list of people to see if the current target is on the list and if so it out puts the messages... http://wowuidev.pastey.net/132745 Problem is it doesnt goto the function at all |
| 05:30.16 | DWSR | awweaver: After that, I highly recommend watching Star Wars 1->6, Star Trek TNG and then Star Trek Voyager Season 2 onwards. |
| 05:30.19 | Jerub | DWSR: you're on 4T10 alreadY? |
| 05:30.26 | DWSR | Jerub: Yeah. |
| 05:30.33 | Jerub | DWSR: winner :) |
| 05:30.34 | Shirik | You have to watch the first 2 episodes of Voyager Season 1 |
| 05:30.35 | Jerub | i'm on 2T10 |
| 05:30.37 | DWSR | Shirik: Yeah. |
| 05:30.41 | Thunder_Child | nothing wrong with voyager S01 |
| 05:30.48 | DWSR | Jerub: I won legs, bought everything else. |
| 05:31.00 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Yes there is. Janeway's such a pushover. |
| 05:31.06 | DWSR | SE02 she becomes such a badass. |
| 05:31.12 | Adys | awweaver: jesus man get some indent :p |
| 05:31.13 | Amarande | Shirik: at the rate things are going, addons might become obsolete :S |
| 05:31.21 | Amarande | seems like everything that's good lately gets coded into the base UI |
| 05:31.21 | DWSR | Amarande: ? |
| 05:31.33 | awweaver | Adys, care to explain |
| 05:31.35 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: you dont have to like it, but you should still watch it |
| 05:31.43 | cogwheel | mmmm VS2010RC |
| 05:31.44 | Amarande | eventually, the main addons still used anymore will probably be ones like bt |
| 05:31.50 | *** join/#wowuidev digmouse (~chatzilla@124.205.157.50) |
| 05:31.57 | Thunder_Child | at least once |
| 05:32.31 | Amarande | indeed, with the improvements to the base UI, a fair number of addons I use are only for two purposes anymore |
| 05:32.46 | Shirik | cogwheel: Is it not shit? |
| 05:32.47 | Amarande | either force of habit, or because the addon allows me to move a widget that the Blizzard UI doesn't allow to be dragged |
| 05:32.52 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/156895/ |
| 05:32.53 | Adys | there |
| 05:32.57 | Adys | with fixed indent |
| 05:33.14 | cogwheel | dunno yet... just peeling off the wrapper (in the "it's still installing" sense) |
| 05:33.14 | Adys | awweaver: does the print on line 2 ever happen? |
| 05:33.21 | cogwheel | lurvs to overcomplicate things |
| 05:33.30 | awweaver | No |
| 05:33.30 | Shirik | I probably have a real wrapper for it |
| 05:33.35 | Shirik | hugs his MSDN subscription |
| 05:33.42 | Shirik | I'm not sure if they send out the RCs |
| 05:33.44 | Adys | awweaver: then this paste is useless, if the function is never called the issue is not in the function |
| 05:33.45 | Shirik | they tend to send out betas |
| 05:33.53 | cogwheel | i gave up my real wrappers in exchange for an extra month ;) |
| 05:34.07 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:34.36 | WobWork | http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/72827_Glidecat.gif |
| 05:34.43 | cogwheel | with 2MB/s download speeds, a dvd worth of VS ain' no thang |
| 05:34.59 | Shirik | has 20Mbps service.... but his router can't go that fast |
| 05:35.05 | awweaver | Adys i do have these 2 inthe onload function http://wowuidev.pastey.net/132747 |
| 05:35.09 | cogwheel | rofl |
| 05:35.10 | Shirik | it's really a sign of the times that my wireless connection is faster than my hardwire connection |
| 05:35.17 | awweaver | the last 2 registers is for the warn function |
| 05:35.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Natch| (~natch@c-97cde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 05:35.36 | Shirik | You can actually see the router cap. The download rate from the hard line is literally flat constant |
| 05:35.46 | Shirik | it doesn't change even .01 kbps |
| 05:36.06 | Jerub | most routers can't handle reasonable rates, especially when doing NAT |
| 05:36.20 | Shirik | well this is just the 10Mbps limit on the port |
| 05:36.24 | Jerub | if you do your NAT on a linux box behind your router you might have some serious performance increases |
| 05:36.27 | DWSR | local name, _, _, _, _, _, _, _, _, = UnitBuff("target", name); <- What's wroung with this line? |
| 05:36.28 | Shirik | I get much faster on wireless |
| 05:36.29 | Jerub | oh, right |
| 05:36.30 | Adys | awweaver: I believe you don't want to do this |
| 05:36.31 | DWSR | nevermind |
| 05:36.32 | cogwheel | ever since i topped 800KB/s i've been hitting the hosts' up speed limits a lot more |
| 05:36.39 | Adys | self:SetScript("PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED", JerkList_Warn) |
| 05:36.41 | Adys | try this |
| 05:37.13 | awweaver | k thanks |
| 05:37.34 | cogwheel | (just to be clear, i'm talking in B shirik's talking in b) |
| 05:37.39 | Shirik | ^ |
| 05:38.23 | awweaver | relaoding, |
| 05:39.02 | DWSR | http://wowi.pastey.net/132748 <- halp? |
| 05:39.26 | Shirik | why do you have a , there |
| 05:39.39 | DWSR | where? |
| 05:39.42 | DWSR | oh, nevermind |
| 05:39.44 | awweaver | adys, yea that didnt work... |
| 05:39.51 | WobWork | http://wowi.pastey.net/132749 |
| 05:40.11 | Adys | awweaver: try self:SetScript("PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED", function(e) print(e) end) |
| 05:40.35 | WobWork | DWSR: you don't need the extra _'s if you're not getting anything past the first argument |
| 05:40.54 | Shirik | ^ |
| 05:40.55 | DWSR | WobWork: Yeah, I'm planning to change that line later. |
| 05:41.01 | DWSR | To get the 8th return value out of it. |
| 05:41.04 | awweaver | trying |
| 05:41.23 | WobWork | chop the last comma out then, like Shirik pointed out |
| 05:41.37 | awweaver | nope... |
| 05:41.39 | WobWork | _ is a placeholder |
| 05:41.51 | WobWork | you could replace it with anything, really |
| 05:42.22 | WobWork | local bname, ARGHFROGS, ARGHFROGS, ARGHFROGS, ARGHFROGS, ARGHFROGS, ARGHFROGS, ARGHFROGS, ARGHFROGS = UnitBuff("target", name) |
| 05:42.25 | Torhal | awweaver: Why are you doing self:SetScript() on an event? |
| 05:42.27 | DWSR | How do you do if elseif else? |
| 05:42.33 | WobWork | ~pil |
| 05:42.34 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 05:42.37 | WobWork | ^ |
| 05:42.56 | WobWork | these basic syntax questions can be answered in that book =) |
| 05:43.00 | awweaver | Torbal, i need to trigger a function through an event |
| 05:43.11 | Torhal | awweaver: Try this: self::SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, ...) if self[event] then return self[event] (self, event, ...) end end) |
| 05:43.12 | Shirik | ............................................................................................................... |
| 05:43.19 | Shirik | One of the options on 2009 tax forms is "Died in 2009" |
| 05:43.26 | Shirik | what? |
| 05:43.32 | Shirik | er |
| 05:43.32 | WobWork | "It was a bad year =\" |
| 05:43.34 | Shirik | 2010 tax forms |
| 05:43.50 | awweaver | Torbal, that makes no sense |
| 05:43.52 | Torhal | And then: function JerkList:PLAYER)TARGET_CHANGED() JerkList_Warn) |
| 05:44.02 | cogwheel | Shirik: one of the options is also "prepared by someone other than the taxpayer" |
| 05:44.20 | cogwheel | (with a loos interpretation of "") |
| 05:44.23 | cogwheel | loose* |
| 05:44.26 | Torhal | awweaver: What doesn't make sense is that you're not only treating an event as a script, but interchangeably using frame/this/self in the same function |
| 05:44.47 | awweaver | gah.... |
| 05:45.42 | awweaver | ok so when is it appropriate to use this/self/frame ? |
| 05:45.58 | DWSR | inside the event handler of a frame. |
| 05:46.03 | Torhal | Read the PIL |
| 05:46.05 | Torhal | ~pil |
| 05:46.06 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 05:46.08 | awweaver | ... |
| 05:46.10 | cogwheel | no |
| 05:46.11 | Torhal | You need to know about scope |
| 05:46.18 | cogwheel | not pil... this/self/frame is wow |
| 05:46.22 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 05:46.25 | cogwheel | you never need to use this |
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| 05:46.39 | DWSR | this == self, doesn't it? |
| 05:46.40 | cogwheel | unless you're trying to change something other addons or the default ui are doing |
| 05:46.54 | Torhal | cogwheel: Yes, but it's also a scope issue. The global 'this' was deprecated, but it's perfectly valid if defined within a scope |
| 05:47.01 | cogwheel | it's self in the xml. for scripts you write yourself, you can call it whatever you want |
| 05:47.28 | cogwheel | some people use self, some people use frame, some people use something more descriptive like "activateButton" |
| 05:48.09 | awweaver | So u can use "AddOnName:RegisterEvent ? |
| 05:48.10 | Torhal | awweaver: The parameter you're passing to the function, however, is called "self" |
| 05:48.24 | Torhal | awweaver: Yes |
| 05:48.34 | Torhal | If AddonName is defined as a table |
| 05:48.58 | awweaver | ahhaha....so really self/frame/this is not really needed? |
| 05:49.21 | Torhal | Depends on how your code is structured |
| 05:49.28 | Torhal | I couldn't tell you based on that pastey |
| 05:51.11 | awweaver | heres my entire code, http://wowi.pastey.net/132750 |
| 05:52.15 | Adys | relink, but awesome |
| 05:52.16 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6K8yfQYOTQ&feature=related |
| 05:52.38 | Torhal | awweaver: Try this: self:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, ...) if self[event] then return self[event] (self, event, ...) end end) |
| 05:52.50 | Torhal | awweaver: Nevermind |
| 05:52.57 | Torhal | You don't have an AddOn table defined |
| 05:53.03 | Torhal | You're using xml aren't you? |
| 05:53.11 | awweaver | wuh? |
| 05:53.18 | awweaver | im goign to gues no |
| 05:53.43 | Torhal | Ok. Nevermind. I'm officially too tired to deal with this. Plus, I have to wake up in 4 hours. |
| 05:53.46 | Torhal | G'night. |
| 05:54.15 | Adys | awweaver: you should read some basic addon tutorials honestly |
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| 05:58.12 | DWSR | Does anyone know if the Luadoc generator of WA allows you to use HTML in the output? |
| 06:09.28 | cogwheel | note to self: read prompt windows more carefully (surprise reboot!) |
| 06:10.00 | Amarande | Fail |
| 06:10.18 | cogwheel | idd |
| 06:10.25 | DWSR | Does anyone know if the Luadoc generator of WA allows you to use HTML in the output? |
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| 06:16.35 | DWSR | !api glyph |
| 06:16.38 | lua_bot | Found 14 possible matches for 'glyph'. Please be more specific |
| 06:16.44 | DWSR | !api GlyphSlot |
| 06:16.46 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GlyphSlot'. |
| 06:16.50 | DWSR | !api GlyphSocket |
| 06:16.52 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'GlyphSocket': GetNumGlyphSockets, GetGlyphSocketInfo |
| 06:17.01 | DWSR | !apy GetGlyphSocketInfo |
| 06:17.05 | DWSR | !api GetGlyphSocketInfo |
| 06:17.06 | lua_bot | GetGlyphSocketInfo: Returns information about a glyph socket and its contents (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetGlyphSocketInfo) |
| 06:18.09 | Kemayo | Brittle Skeletons in En'kilah turn out to be an almost abusive way to make Lovely Charms. |
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| 06:19.46 | kd3 | rofl; they've only got crap hp. that's right |
| 06:19.52 | kd3 | makes a mental note to go farming tomorrow |
| 06:20.43 | Kemayo | I have 11 bracelets in my bags right now, after ~3 minutes of running around them. |
| 06:21.33 | Shirik | ~~~~ |
| 06:21.34 | purl | ARGH!!! STOP IT shirik!!! |
| 06:21.40 | Jerub | i keep ranting at people on trade about /who c-"Rogue" r-"Troll" |
| 06:21.42 | Shirik | purl should have some kind of wiki joke for that one |
| 06:21.50 | DWSR | I'm assking that tables can store tables? |
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| 06:21.57 | kd3 | blah. what am I going to do with 220 emblem of triumph? |
| 06:22.08 | Shirik | kd3: gief to me |
| 06:22.09 | DWSR | s/assking/assuming/ |
| 06:22.16 | kd3 | yar |
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| 06:30.11 | Dagmar | Those skeletons don't work if yer 80, unfortunately |
| 06:30.27 | Dagmar | Neither do the jillions of Frenzyheart over in Sholazar |
| 06:30.46 | Dagmar | Giants north of the tournament tho... :) |
| 06:32.36 | Jerub | i heard good things about CoS |
| 06:33.28 | DWSR | So, if I want to make a table of functions |
| 06:33.40 | DWSR | Do I do table.f = function () ....... end; ? |
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| 06:37.32 | DWSR | Shirik: gnip |
| 06:37.41 | WobWork | Dagmar: did they hotfix the sholozar? |
| 06:37.46 | Shirik | gnip? |
| 06:37.51 | DWSR | ping backwards |
| 06:37.55 | DWSR | So that I don't trip your stupid script. :P |
| 06:38.05 | WobWork | I was farming them for tokens a couple of nights ago |
| 06:38.10 | WobWork | before I figured out Ulduar |
| 06:39.17 | DWSR | Shirik: How do I define functions in tables? |
| 06:39.28 | WobWork | DWSR: did you read PiL? |
| 06:39.34 | Shirik | t = { a = function() print("Hai world!"); end} t.a() |
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| 06:39.59 | DWSR | So I can do something like t["a"] = function() ...... end;? |
| 06:40.08 | WobWork | DWSR: did you read PiL? |
| 06:40.14 | Shirik | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev :Shirik: gnip |
| 06:40.14 | batbot | Shirik, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 06:40.14 | EDI | Shirik: gnip |
| 06:40.18 | Shirik | hm |
| 06:40.25 | DWSR | ~batbot00 |
| 06:40.30 | DWSR | ~batbot-- |
| 06:40.34 | Shirik | anyway |
| 06:40.51 | Shirik | It's probably easier to do function t.a() .... end |
| 06:41.02 | Shirik | but you can do what you said, yes |
| 06:41.18 | DWSR | What happens if I do local function t.a? |
| 06:41.23 | DWSR | But I don't define t as local? |
| 06:41.26 | Shirik | you get Lua to yell at you |
| 06:41.42 | DWSR | Ah, scope will be defined by the table? |
| 06:41.45 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:41.46 | Thunder_Child | damit Shirik, get a new ID command |
| 06:42.39 | Shirik | ID? |
| 06:44.51 | DWSR | lua> t = { a = function() print("a"); end; b = function(self) self.a; end; }; t.b(); |
| 06:44.54 | lua_bot | DWSR: luabot:1: '=' expected near ';' |
| 06:45.14 | Kraps | "Q: Do you want to drink some beers this weekend? A: bool answer=(moneyRemaining()>=5*PRICE_OF_BEER);" |
| 06:45.25 | DWSR | Shirik: Halp |
| 06:45.54 | Shirik | DWSR: Fail @ semicolon |
| 06:46.05 | DWSR | ? |
| 06:46.29 | Shirik | lua> t = { a = function() print("a"); end; b = function(self) self.a; end }; t.b(); |
| 06:46.31 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: '=' expected near ';' |
| 06:46.33 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: identifier |
| 06:46.37 | Thunder_Child | eg. '!' |
| 06:46.38 | Shirik | and by semicolon I mean |
| 06:46.49 | Shirik | wtf did you do |
| 06:46.57 | DWSR | define t.a and t.d? |
| 06:46.59 | DWSR | t.b* |
| 06:47.00 | Shirik | no |
| 06:47.29 | DWSR | Halp. |
| 06:47.35 | DWSR | well, actually. |
| 06:47.36 | Shirik | lua> t = { a = function() print("a"); end, b = function(self) self.a; end }; t.b(); |
| 06:47.41 | DWSR | AH. |
| 06:47.41 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: '=' expected near ';' |
| 06:47.49 | Shirik | WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME |
| 06:48.04 | DWSR | lulz. |
| 06:48.20 | DWSR | Do I need to use self.a from b()? |
| 06:48.25 | DWSR | Or can I just use a? |
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| 06:48.27 | DWSR | a()* |
| 06:48.32 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 06:48.36 | Shirik | yes you can't do self.a |
| 06:48.40 | Shirik | that means nothing :P |
| 06:48.44 | Shirik | that's just a value |
| 06:48.49 | Shirik | not an operation |
| 06:48.50 | DWSR | It's a function? |
| 06:48.55 | DWSR | self.a() |
| 06:48.55 | Shirik | then you mean self.a() ? |
| 06:48.58 | DWSR | Yes, sorry. |
| 06:49.04 | Shirik | that's the problem |
| 06:49.05 | DWSR | Do I *need* to do self.a() |
| 06:49.08 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:49.11 | DWSR | Ok |
| 06:49.14 | Shirik | self.a just returns a function, namely, self.a |
| 06:49.20 | Shirik | self.a() actually calls that function |
| 06:49.26 | DWSR | right |
| 06:49.36 | DWSR | but I can't refer to self.a() as just a() in t.b()? |
| 06:49.46 | Shirik | ope |
| 06:49.47 | Shirik | nope |
| 06:49.57 | Shirik | it's not OOP, it's just poor-man's OOP |
| 06:50.27 | DWSR | Also, do I have to specify self as a param? Or will Lua just stuff it in there when I use t:b? |
| 06:51.04 | Shirik | t:b supplies it on the call |
| 06:51.11 | Shirik | But |
| 06:51.18 | Shirik | if it isn't in the function definition, you won't get it |
| 06:51.25 | Shirik | well you'll get it, but you won't be ablee to access it |
| 06:51.36 | Shirik | However, you have an alternative option: You could define the function like that |
| 06:51.47 | Shirik | function t:b() self.a() end |
| 06:51.49 | DWSR | function t:b()? |
| 06:51.51 | Shirik | rigth |
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| 06:51.56 | DWSR | ok |
| 06:51.57 | DWSR | Thanks. |
| 06:52.07 | DWSR | The documentation's a little....oddly worded. |
| 06:52.25 | DWSR | Shirik: Now, my only other questions are about luadoc and multi-line comments concerning them. |
| 06:52.30 | DWSR | Do you know anything about that? |
| 06:53.04 | Shirik | I don't know anything about luadoc |
| 06:53.20 | DWSR | Can I do ---[[ ---]] as a multi-line comment? |
| 06:53.26 | DWSR | Or will lua bitch about the first -? |
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| 06:58.34 | krka | try it? |
| 06:58.49 | krka | lua> ---[[ ... ]] |
| 06:58.49 | lua_bot | krka: No output |
| 06:59.03 | krka | that didn't prove anything i suppose :P |
| 06:59.05 | krka | lua> --[[ ... ]] |
| 06:59.06 | lua_bot | krka: No output |
| 06:59.06 | DWSR | exactly. |
| 06:59.19 | DWSR | ---[[ print("a") ]] |
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| 06:59.25 | DWSR | lua> ---[[ print("a") ]] |
| 06:59.25 | lua_bot | DWSR: No output |
| 06:59.30 | krka | try on a regular lua command prompt |
| 06:59.42 | DWSR | krka: Not installing a lua interpreter for WoW addon development. |
| 07:00.15 | krka | ok |
| 07:00.40 | DWSR | Why multi-line comments are such a redheaded step child in Lua is beyond me. |
| 07:01.45 | DWSR | Also, Luadoc's documentation blows. |
| 07:01.51 | Cide | because using /* */ was difficult |
| 07:01.56 | DWSR | It specifies that there's an @see tag, but no syntax for it. |
| 07:02.03 | krka | lua multiline comments are pretty awesome imo |
| 07:02.13 | DWSR | Is @see like Javadoc's @see, where you can specify a link to another function? |
| 07:02.19 | DWSR | Or does it only take a plaintext argument? |
| 07:02.21 | DWSR | What's going on? |
| 07:02.26 | DWSR | But no, shitty documentation. |
| 07:02.27 | DWSR | ~lua-- |
| 07:04.14 | DWSR | ~karma lua |
| 07:04.14 | purl | lua has karma of -1 |
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| 07:06.54 | Shadowed | ~lua++ |
| 07:12.50 | DWSR | !api unittype |
| 07:12.51 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'unittype'. |
| 07:12.54 | DWSR | !api type |
| 07:12.54 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'type' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-type |
| 07:12.58 | DWSR | sigh |
| 07:13.28 | Arrowmaster | what are you looking for? |
| 07:13.39 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: UnitCreatureType() |
| 07:17.19 | DWSR | local function PlayerHealth() <- Regex to match this. |
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| 07:18.02 | DWSR | /local function (\w)\()/? |
| 07:26.09 | DWSR | !api threat |
| 07:26.13 | lua_bot | Found 7 possible results for 'threat': UNIT_THREAT_LIST_UPDATE, UnitDetailedThreatSituation, UNIT_THREAT_SITUATION_UPDATE, GetThreatStatusColor, UnitThreatSituation, UnitIsTappedByAllThreatList, IsThreatWarningEnabled |
| 07:28.43 | DWSR | Shadowed: |
| 07:28.51 | DWSR | How do you do the aggro border on your UF? |
| 07:30.02 | DWSR | !api UNIT_THREAT_LIST_UPDATE |
| 07:30.04 | lua_bot | UNIT_THREAT_LIST_UPDATE: Fires when a non-player unit's threat list is updated (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_THREAT_LIST_UPDATE) |
| 07:32.55 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I think there's one spec (arcane mage) that has such a huge amount of control over damage-per-mana that its optimal rotation does actually care about fight length and mana use |
| 07:33.24 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: That's not what I asked about, though. :P |
| 07:33.41 | ZorbaTHut | well, it might matter for that one. or even more compliacted things might. |
| 07:33.43 | DWSR | I was asking if there was a spec which cared about who casted a player's buffs. |
| 07:33.43 | ZorbaTHut | beyond that, I dunno. :) |
| 07:33.55 | ZorbaTHut | oh, huh, I scrolled back and must've misread |
| 07:33.58 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, that's why I'm including a TimetoDie |
| 07:33.59 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 07:34.00 | DWSR | :P |
| 07:34.15 | ZorbaTHut | hmm. there's a few classes that have single-target synergistic buffs |
| 07:34.22 | ZorbaTHut | mage Focus Magic, for example |
| 07:34.47 | ZorbaTHut | you want the buff on (as I remember) the player with the highest crit chance |
| 07:35.06 | ZorbaTHut | spell crit, actually, now that I'm thinking about it |
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| 07:35.18 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think there's any of those that tend to expire in combat, however |
| 07:35.54 | ZorbaTHut | that's the closest issue I can think of (you'd want to make sure it was *your* buff on the player, not someone else's) |
| 07:35.55 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Right. |
| 07:36.04 | DWSR | mhm |
| 07:36.25 | DWSR | If I'm trying to determine whether or not a player knows a specific spell, should I use GetSpellInfo? |
| 07:38.46 | mitch0 | dwsr: I scan the spellbook, but I think only because one API I use only works with the book/spellid pair |
| 07:39.06 | Shirik | owahahhwhawhowaohwaho |
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| 07:39.16 | DWSR | shirik? |
| 07:39.24 | DWSR | Oh, nevermind. |
| 07:39.24 | Shirik | I was singing |
| 07:39.34 | DWSR | Oh, I thought you were trying to imitate the joker laugh |
| 07:39.36 | DWSR | My bad. |
| 07:39.45 | Thunder_Child | i believe the proper term is crooning |
| 07:39.48 | Shirik | That's approximately accurate for most of today's singers |
| 07:40.04 | Shirik | If you don't have a million of those in there, it's not a good song |
| 07:40.11 | Shirik | alternatively, you can talk about drugs or sex |
| 07:40.29 | Shirik | or, for some reason, how you're somehow good at hiding your emotions while playing poker |
| 07:42.40 | Shirik | So you know those triple buzzing noises that come at the beginning of emergency weather alerts? |
| 07:42.58 | Shirik | You probably know that they actually have meaning in them, but did you know they're actually used? o.o; |
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| 07:43.13 | Shirik | I recently found out my radio can turn itself on when it picks up one of those signals |
| 07:43.32 | zenzio | that's odd... sound-activation? |
| 07:44.15 | DWSR | zenzio: Old school Wake On Lan |
| 07:44.18 | DWSR | Shirik: Neat. |
| 07:44.19 | Shirik | well the initial burst indicates that it is an emergency action message |
| 07:44.25 | Shirik | so I assume that it's just looking for that |
| 07:44.48 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 07:44.49 | zenzio | yeah, but it sounds odd to have sound activation |
| 07:44.52 | Dagmar | Yes, I was aware of what they do |
| 07:45.51 | Fisker | i believe i can kill you Shirik |
| 07:45.56 | Dagmar | Shirik: Think carefully. Ramsey sells a 1W FM radio transmitter for about $90 last I checked. |
| 07:46.05 | Shirik | ha |
| 07:46.12 | Dagmar | For about the same price you can also get a linear amp 20-100W |
| 07:46.21 | Dagmar | That signal is low bitrate |
| 07:46.24 | Dagmar | ...and you have a laptop. |
| 07:46.26 | Shirik | people can be bitches, I guess, but seriously is the world that cruel? :P |
| 07:46.26 | Dagmar | grins. |
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| 07:46.39 | Shirik | I mean hell |
| 07:46.43 | Dagmar | This is a trick you save for SPECIAL OCCASIONS |
| 07:46.57 | Shirik | NWS is good at wakingt me up with tornado warnings at 4 AM lately anyway |
| 07:47.02 | zenzio | are people that cruel? Yes |
| 07:47.20 | Dagmar | Yes, and now you know that for a couple hundred dollars, you can activate every emergency radio in a couple miles |
| 07:48.08 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 07:48.15 | Dagmar | The FCC does not share my sense of humor with respect to ominous voices yelling "PEOPLE OF EARTH..." |
| 07:48.38 | Thunder_Child | someone has been watching to many naval movies, eam != ebm |
| 07:48.44 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
| 07:48.53 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker |
| 07:48.56 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: You can spoof the announcements. |
| 07:49.00 | Shirik | whatever Thunder_Child |
| 07:49.19 | Dagmar | Just don't let anyone catch you doing it |
| 07:49.30 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Still would be seriously lulzy. |
| 07:49.35 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: i didnt say anything about that |
| 07:49.42 | Shirik | These, Thunder_Child: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Same.ogg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/Emergency_alert_system_tone.ogg |
| 07:49.45 | Shirik | whatever those are |
| 07:49.49 | Dagmar | looks the other way |
| 07:49.58 | DWSR | anyway, night |
| 08:00.27 | Adys | So |
| 08:00.42 | Adys | I finally got to some sql optimizations on listings |
| 08:00.59 | Adys | they were kinda slow, but it was sort of intermittent |
| 08:01.12 | Adys | I finally got the bright idea to disable caching |
| 08:01.26 | Adys | first thing I see: a backlog of 2000+ sql queries for a single pageload |
| 08:01.41 | Cide | fail |
| 08:01.56 | kd3 | eeowch |
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| 08:02.09 | Adys | impressively, it only took like 20ms total |
| 08:03.37 | Arrowmaster | and you wonder why large sites dont use django |
| 08:03.57 | Adys | ... |
| 08:04.05 | Adys | this has nothing to do with django |
| 08:04.06 | Wobin | failxkcd =( |
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| 08:04.19 | Adys | and everything to do with me coding like an ass |
| 08:04.32 | Thunder_Child | qft |
| 08:04.44 | Adys | Thunder_Child: you know you aren't actually quoting anything |
| 08:05.26 | Thunder_Child | Adys: see above |
| 08:05.49 | Adys | you know that you're actually referring me to what I just said |
| 08:06.13 | Adys | so you're actually telling me about your failure in not quoting anything |
| 08:06.18 | Thunder_Child | Adys: see above |
| 08:06.51 | Adys | k I don't get it here. |
| 08:07.09 | Thunder_Child | goes to bed with a war feeling of having confused Adys |
| 08:07.14 | Thunder_Child | warm* |
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| 08:15.18 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAtBki0PsC0 |
| 08:15.22 | Wobin | omg this is great |
| 08:15.27 | Wobin | he even has the fingering right |
| 08:17.45 | Shirik | lol Wobin |
| 08:18.14 | Wobin | It's the little details =) |
| 08:19.00 | Shirik | I like the "is he died?" |
| 08:20.43 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/8892601 |
| 08:20.45 | Wobin | if you like cameras |
| 08:22.57 | Shirik | ow |
| 08:22.58 | Shirik | owowowow |
| 08:23.15 | Trela | This is awesome. http://i48.tinypic.com/20716wi.jpg |
| 08:23.15 | Shirik | I just got flooded with alerts from nagios :( |
| 08:23.30 | Shirik | CRITICAL: Explorer.exe: not running <-- wtfhax? |
| 08:23.34 | Wobin | Trela, seen the other ones of those? |
| 08:23.44 | Trela | No. |
| 08:24.18 | Shirik | god damn windows updates |
| 08:24.27 | Shirik | restarted the damn server |
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| 08:26.00 | zenzio | sounds like you need to reconfigure it |
| 08:26.03 | Wobin | Trela, http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/i_have_the_feeling_geeks_work.php |
| 08:27.06 | Shirik | zenzio: I'm lazy |
| 08:27.22 | zenzio | then don't complain about it doing what it's set to do :-p |
| 08:27.49 | Shirik | shouldn't be the default setting imo |
| 08:28.04 | Shirik | though really, the CORRECT solution is set these things up as actual services so when it restarts it comes back up on its own |
| 08:28.11 | Shirik | instead of me having to log in and do it |
| 08:28.15 | Trela | Wobin, that is awesome. |
| 08:28.18 | Shirik | but I can't figure uot how to do that |
| 08:30.44 | Shirik | ya, everything back up. Now I can go to sleep |
| 08:30.45 | Shirik | bai |
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| 08:55.15 | Speedy1 | www.search2.net |
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| 09:07.20 | Cide | gj Shirik! |
| 09:07.25 | Cide | policing the channel like a champ |
| 09:07.32 | Shirik | :( |
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| 09:08.46 | Shirik | !reload |
| 09:08.46 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 09:09.12 | Shirik | anyway, cross-channel spam |
| 09:09.14 | Shirik | figured I'd get rid of it |
| 09:09.22 | Shirik | shiibot will take it from here |
| 09:09.37 | Cide | <3 |
| 09:09.52 | Cide | I've been underusing <3's lately |
| 09:09.57 | Cide | I've forgotten how to use them |
| 09:10.00 | Cide | or type them rather |
| 09:10.09 | Shirik | It is because I do not deserve them |
| 09:10.14 | Adys | That's so inferior to three |
| 09:10.27 | Shirik | and now I will go back to sleep |
| 09:10.28 | zenzio | Cide usually works with larger than two numbers |
| 09:10.41 | Adys | Oh I'll show you larger than two. |
| 09:10.43 | Cide | hell yes I do |
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| 09:13.13 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 09:14.02 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 09:14.04 | Shirik | can I go to sleep? |
| 09:14.24 | Fisker | for a little while |
| 09:14.50 | Cide | funny |
| 09:15.01 | Shirik | funny? |
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| 09:15.26 | Cide | I'm guessing it was a dollhouse reference |
| 09:16.03 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 09:16.11 | Shirik | what is dollhouse |
| 09:16.25 | Cide | a tv series |
| 09:16.33 | Shirik | ok, then I will go to sleep |
| 09:16.43 | Cide | night |
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| 10:21.54 | Cruciformer | Anyone on that works for curse or knows how its search works (or more often doesnt)? |
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| 10:40.04 | reece|z | does wow load addons in different namespaces? |
| 10:40.49 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/gordok.jpg |
| 10:40.51 | Adys | rep ftw |
| 10:40.57 | Adys | reece|z: common namepsace for all |
| 10:41.28 | Kaso | it provides you a table by the second argument of ... that you can use as a namespace for your addon though |
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| 10:59.23 | reece|z | ty for the info |
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| 11:47.48 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/google_street_view_scuba_divers.jpg |
| 11:48.50 | Wobin | sigh |
| 11:48.53 | Wobin | dying from healing aggro |
| 11:49.42 | zenzio | tsk, bergensere... |
| 11:51.22 | mikma | i was about to rescue stuff from my mailboc |
| 11:51.28 | mikma | too late, prepaid ended ^^ |
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| 11:57.09 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
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| 11:58.39 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:58.42 | Fisker | >:3 |
| 11:58.45 | Fisker | is the correct answer |
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| 13:00.44 | Arrowmaster | mikma: rofl that has to be the best street view ever |
| 13:01.02 | mikma | aye :) |
| 13:01.24 | olafski | wtb updated maps of our campus on google earth :( |
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| 13:13.28 | Kaso | a google car went by my house like a year ago, the rest of my town is on google maps but not my area |
| 13:13.41 | Kaso | i guess having me on the film must have broken the camera |
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| 13:14.38 | reeCe | lol i saw google 6months ago with the spinning camera on roof |
| 13:15.16 | haste | mikma: that's from norway :D |
| 13:15.26 | nevcairiel | i've never seen one, but then, they are not allowed to publish street views of germany anyway |
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| 13:18.49 | reeCe | is there any WoW LuA snippets? |
| 13:19.56 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: always the Germans! |
| 13:20.02 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Now that I've had sleep, I'm attempting to get my kernel working again. |
| 13:20.11 | nevcairiel | we just value our privacy, hmkay? |
| 13:20.38 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: while you buy stolen account information from other countries, eh?! |
| 13:21.37 | Torhal | Kalroth: Are you sure he does that? |
| 13:21.37 | Kaso | reeCe: what do you mean? |
| 13:21.49 | A-KO | privacy is a fallacy |
| 13:21.53 | Kaso | im sure pastey.net has plenty of snippits on, but prob not what you mean ;p |
| 13:21.58 | Kalroth | Torhal: I have proof that nev did that at least once! |
| 13:22.27 | Torhal | Kalroth: Heh |
| 13:24.14 | nevcairiel | Torhal: if you fail at kernel building, you could just fallback to genkernel |
| 13:29.57 | Torhal | nevcairiel: That isn't the issue - GRUB says "Error 15: File not found" |
| 13:30.17 | Torhal | Though I just found that I completely failed at fstab and had /boot as noauto |
| 13:30.27 | Torhal | Just changed it to defaults |
| 13:31.01 | nevcairiel | noauto is fine for boot |
| 13:31.05 | nevcairiel | you dont need to mount it |
| 13:36.06 | Torhal | nevcairiel: boot is located at /dev/sdb1, so I have GRUB set as root (hd1,0) - I don't see how that isn't right, but the "File not found" is perplexing |
| 13:36.45 | nevcairiel | maybe you typoed the kernel name? |
| 13:37.35 | Torhal | Nah - checked that. Meh. |
| 13:38.09 | Fisker | omg Torhal |
| 13:38.13 | Fisker | i'm killing you |
| 13:38.25 | Torhal | Fisker: Again? Fucking camper. |
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| 14:21.02 | Lopeppeppy | sees the snows. |
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| 14:24.30 | jnwhiteh | Just ordered my phone, after finding someone to buy my old one. |
| 14:25.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yaaaay! |
| 14:26.10 | jnwhiteh | wonder how long it's going to take to get here. |
| 14:26.46 | Lopeppeppy | 2 weeks! |
| 14:26.59 | Lopeppeppy | Optiimistic Peppy is optimistic. |
| 14:27.15 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 14:27.20 | jnwhiteh | I was hoping by Friday |
| 14:27.22 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 14:27.33 | jnwhiteh | or Saturday at the latest |
| 14:27.41 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Um. Two days isn't optimistic, it's crack-brain thinking. :P |
| 14:27.47 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:27.55 | Fisker | nexus one? |
| 14:28.03 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 14:28.06 | Fisker | :o |
| 14:28.12 | jnwhiteh | I just spend too much time deving for my hero |
| 14:28.17 | jnwhiteh | this is me spending time, to save money |
| 14:28.20 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 14:28.35 | Fisker | plus you got like 1 billion usd from me |
| 14:28.48 | Fisker | lets call it a bailout |
| 14:28.52 | jnwhiteh | fair play |
| 14:32.26 | olafski | is there a good reason to get a nexus one over an iphone? I've tried to compare them but can't really find objective measures to do so |
| 14:32.46 | olafski | I'm kinda biased against apple myself so would be nice if I could convince myself that I don't want an iphone ;) |
| 14:33.01 | jnwhiteh | I dont like how closed the iPhone App store is |
| 14:33.07 | jnwhiteh | so as a developer, I chose Android |
| 14:33.11 | jnwhiteh | but you also have to consider the n900 :P |
| 14:33.16 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 14:33.23 | olafski | hm I don't develop for phones.. so that's not really an issue to me |
| 14:33.27 | Fisker | the iphone is a piece of shit toy in it's own category |
| 14:33.35 | jnwhiteh | plus the nexus is as unlocked as unlocked gets |
| 14:33.45 | jnwhiteh | iPhone is carrier locked almost everywhere |
| 14:34.00 | olafski | oh I don't really care about that either :< |
| 14:34.00 | Fisker | and apple have all kinds of silly restrictions on apps |
| 14:34.06 | olafski | don't really mind switching carriers |
| 14:34.31 | Fisker | also the iphone is a bar of soap |
| 14:34.44 | olafski | tbh I doubt I'll actually use much of the functionality.. I currently call and sms with my phone and I don't really miss any features |
| 14:34.54 | olafski | though being able to sync my google calendar with my phone seems kinda nice |
| 14:35.42 | Lopeppeppy | The calendar synch is awesome! |
| 14:35.48 | jnwhiteh | <3 indeed. |
| 14:36.37 | Fisker | plus at some point apple will probably shit on google |
| 14:37.06 | olafski | lopeppeppy: yeah it looks fancy on my gf's iphone.. shame we have no way of getting that thing online here in our apartment |
| 14:37.18 | olafski | eh, I mean her ipod touch |
| 14:37.23 | olafski | iphone would've been able to go online |
| 14:37.45 | nevcairiel | You know how apple didnt want a developer mention that his app won that google app contest thingy in the apple store description? |
| 14:38.09 | cbreak | iPhones are only carrier locked if you buy them with a subsidised plan |
| 14:38.22 | olafski | yeah that's normal though cbreak, at least here |
| 14:38.27 | Bruners | can you buy them without a plan ? |
| 14:38.27 | olafski | I thought that touchy stuff would kinda suck before I tried it, but the interface is pretty good |
| 14:38.29 | Fisker | hehe nevcairiel |
| 14:38.31 | olafski | yes bruners |
| 14:38.31 | nevcairiel | cbreak: without that, they cost like double any sane android phone |
| 14:38.45 | olafski | 575 euro here I think |
| 14:38.55 | nevcairiel | the 3GS 16gb is like 800 € here |
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| 14:39.06 | olafski | with a plan it's not bad though.. 30 euro/month and 100 euro in advance |
| 14:39.07 | nevcairiel | its cheaper in countries without a official carrier |
| 14:39.21 | olafski | yeah it used to be t-mobile only here, but they stopped that a few weeks ago |
| 14:39.37 | nevcairiel | which is rip-off again |
| 14:39.49 | Bruners | i don't think i will ever own a product made by apple |
| 14:39.52 | nevcairiel | so we have t-mobile with the iphone, so an unlocked phone is 800 |
| 14:39.57 | olafski | wish we had wifi connectivity here.. the rest of the campus has it, but this building had to be built with some kind of metal in the windows which blocks reception |
| 14:40.04 | nevcairiel | other countries have no official carrier, they get the phone for 500-600 |
| 14:40.06 | nevcairiel | like, wtf |
| 14:40.18 | olafski | bruners: I hopefully won't either.. but if other phones don't come close I will have to ;) |
| 14:40.38 | nevcairiel | don't come close? the silly iphone is falling behind bigtime |
| 14:40.52 | olafski | well, I'm still waiting for a reason that will convince me |
| 14:40.56 | olafski | nothing I've seen so far does |
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| 14:41.07 | Bruners | from what i have seen the android phones are better and cheaper |
| 14:41.15 | olafski | see now we're getting somewhere ;) |
| 14:41.16 | jnwhiteh | the iphone has better hardware, but I agree. |
| 14:41.53 | olafski | "supposedly" there will be a 4G soon.. dunno how much of that is truth |
| 14:42.07 | Fisker | wat? |
| 14:42.09 | cbreak | 4G? |
| 14:42.15 | Fisker | iphone? better hardwae? in the same sentence? |
| 14:42.22 | cbreak | the phone companies haven't even managed to pay off their 3G licenses yet |
| 14:42.28 | Fisker | is it more likely than i think? |
| 14:42.35 | nevcairiel | appel is just silly and named their phone 4G, doesnt have todo anything with the standard |
| 14:42.37 | cbreak | most people still use GSM (2G) |
| 14:42.40 | Bruners | 4G! now with copy/paste! |
| 14:42.46 | Lopeppeppy | And more cowbell |
| 14:42.56 | zenzio | cowbells Lopeppeppy |
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| 14:43.40 | Lopeppeppy | ... you do NOT bell a cat. |
| 14:43.53 | nevcairiel | good that you're no cat then |
| 14:43.55 | Lopeppeppy | shreds zenzio's arms in retaliation. And would pee in his shoes if she could find them. |
| 14:44.08 | zenzio | they're right here on my feet |
| 14:44.39 | Lopeppeppy | That's a long way for a girl to pee. |
| 14:44.43 | olafski | N900 looks fancy |
| 14:45.22 | nevcairiel | I still don't like nokia |
| 14:45.34 | Bruners | <- nokia fanboy |
| 14:45.37 | zenzio | I don't mind Nokia, I just don't like their phones |
| 14:45.42 | cbreak | Nokia phones are absolutely terrible to program for |
| 14:45.42 | olafski | I think I have a nokia now |
| 14:45.47 | cbreak | ... until they bought Qt I guess |
| 14:45.47 | olafski | no clue what model |
| 14:45.57 | zenzio | cbreak: Qt may help, but I doubt it'll solve everything |
| 14:45.58 | cbreak | they use symbian I think |
| 14:46.02 | olafski | seems my current carrier doesn't have the n900 |
| 14:46.12 | nevcairiel | its pretty unclear what nokia uses as an OS |
| 14:46.16 | Bruners | current carrier doesnt have, what |
| 14:46.16 | cbreak | anyway, I doubt there's a phone that is as developer friendly as an iPhone |
| 14:46.22 | nevcairiel | one phone uses symbian, the next uses their maemo thing |
| 14:46.29 | nevcairiel | they cant even devide in hosue what to focus on |
| 14:46.31 | Lopeppeppy | I have a crackberry. |
| 14:46.35 | cbreak | nokia uses symbian S3 I think |
| 14:46.47 | nevcairiel | developer friendly and iphone? |
| 14:46.53 | cbreak | yeah. Objective-C! |
| 14:46.57 | nevcairiel | i havent seen a phone thats tighter locked down yet |
| 14:46.57 | olafski | cbreak: nor with as many apps available I guess |
| 14:47.00 | cbreak | nice API |
| 14:47.23 | zenzio | nevcairiel: it may be locked down, but the frameworks for developing on it are pretty solid |
| 14:47.55 | Bruners | olafski: can't you buy what ever phone you want? |
| 14:47.56 | nevcairiel | except you have to use wierd Obj-C, which you won't ever need anywhere else |
| 14:48.12 | cbreak | Objective-C is used for normal OS X too |
| 14:48.12 | nevcairiel | besides, i like the Android SDK |
| 14:48.56 | nevcairiel | oh, and i actually have to get a Mac to be able to develop for iphones |
| 14:48.57 | olafski | bruners: not with a plan ;) |
| 14:48.59 | nevcairiel | isnt that great? |
| 14:49.22 | cbreak | yes! :) |
| 14:49.25 | zenzio | nevcairiel: even given all of that, the iPhone is still "easy" to code for |
| 14:49.38 | nevcairiel | easy as in i have to buy a 1000€ dev platform :P |
| 14:49.46 | cbreak | you can get cheaper macs |
| 14:49.49 | zenzio | now don't get me wrong, I use an Android phone, and I'd like to see them keep rising, but they're just not that great to develop for yet |
| 14:50.08 | nevcairiel | zenzio: personal experience or learned from rant posts on the web? :D |
| 14:50.21 | cbreak | there was a /. article yesterday claiming that android uses a totally unoptimised Java VM |
| 14:50.34 | cbreak | on an iPhone, you write native code |
| 14:50.53 | zenzio | sa far as Android goes, it's a combination. I've not had a chance to try coding too much for it yet, but the IDE was definitely not as good as the suite for iPhone. Can't speak for the frameworks |
| 14:51.01 | zenzio | but I talk a lot to my brother who does know Android coding |
| 14:51.16 | nevcairiel | X-Code is really horrible, imho |
| 14:51.25 | jnwhiteh | many people disagree with you |
| 14:51.31 | zenzio | there are annoying things about it, but I actually like it mostly |
| 14:51.34 | jnwhiteh | given that the alternative android sdk isn't as good. |
| 14:51.36 | nevcairiel | maybe i need to be a mac fanboi to like x-code |
| 14:51.43 | nevcairiel | but i hated it |
| 14:51.44 | zenzio | I'd take Visual C++ over Xcode, but Xcode's still good |
| 14:51.49 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: its not unoptimized |
| 14:51.55 | zenzio | I'm definitely not a Mac fanboi :-p |
| 14:52.05 | jnwhiteh | but the dalvik VM was written specifically for Android.. as an optimized VM |
| 14:52.13 | cbreak | jnwhiteh: some company claims a 3x increase in performance with their own |
| 14:52.16 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 14:52.21 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't mean what we have is unoptimized |
| 14:52.34 | jnwhiteh | that's just blatanly false, considering Dalvik is an optimization over a standard JVM |
| 14:52.49 | cbreak | it uses at most 33% of the power the platform provdes if they managed to increase it by a factor of 3 |
| 14:52.51 | olafski | but can an iPhone host rails apps? |
| 14:52.58 | Lopeppeppy | 3x increase in performance based on what standard of measure? :) |
| 14:53.07 | jnwhiteh | cbreak: of course, the new VM is an optimization of the existing dalvik VM |
| 14:53.11 | olafski | lopeppeppy: sound volume! |
| 14:53.12 | cbreak | an iPhone is more or less a computer. if you jailbreak it, it might be able to do that |
| 14:53.16 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't make the dalvik VM 'unoptimized' |
| 14:53.16 | cbreak | what's a rails app? |
| 14:53.25 | olafski | cbreak: you've never heard of ruby on rails? :o |
| 14:53.31 | cbreak | oh, ruby... |
| 14:53.39 | olafski | ;) |
| 14:53.46 | cbreak | I don't like that language |
| 14:53.51 | nevcairiel | i read some article that you can just replace dalvik with a jit-enabled dalvik, and it already gives you a speed boost |
| 14:53.54 | olafski | I think they tried to run rails on an iphone |
| 14:53.59 | nevcairiel | i have that bookmarked somewhere.. |
| 14:54.20 | nevcairiel | probably had some down-sides i forgot about |
| 14:54.24 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: yep, you can do that too, just the jit version isn't terribly stable· |
| 14:55.14 | olafski | bah you guys I didn't mean to spark a phone-war again :( |
| 14:55.15 | cbreak | some jailbroken iPhones run SSH server. I see no reason to not be able to run a webserver with some scripting backend. |
| 14:55.22 | cbreak | unless ruby uses too much ram :) |
| 14:55.36 | olafski | it's not one of the faster scripting languages afaik |
| 14:55.40 | Lopeppeppy | Why do you people want your phone to be a computer? |
| 14:55.44 | olafski | but maybe ruby 1.9 fixe[ds] that |
| 14:55.51 | A-KO | I love my iphone, but jailbreaking it is such a pain in the ass |
| 14:55.53 | A-KO | that it's not worth doing |
| 14:55.53 | olafski | I don't, lopeppeppy.. it was a joke :( |
| 14:55.53 | Cide | 'cause computers are awesome |
| 14:56.13 | nevcairiel | and i thought jail breaking just involved running some tool these days |
| 14:56.15 | olafski | lopeppeppy: just because I recalled someone running rails on their iphone.. and because rails developers are notorious apple lovers |
| 14:56.25 | olafski | don't see why I would jailbreak it if I had one of those things ;) |
| 14:56.48 | Bruners | if i had one it would be the first thing i did |
| 14:56.51 | cbreak | if you have a dev cert |
| 14:56.54 | cbreak | you don't need to jailbreak |
| 14:56.59 | cbreak | you can install all apps you want |
| 14:56.59 | nevcairiel | i still didnt root my android |
| 14:57.09 | nevcairiel | wanted to do it sometime though, want to replace the damn home screen |
| 14:57.11 | olafski | I don't.. all I want with it is calling, sms'ing and a calendar |
| 14:57.16 | olafski | _maybe_ I'll want to listen to music |
| 14:57.23 | cbreak | you can get a dumb-phone |
| 14:57.27 | cbreak | do they call them that way? |
| 14:57.30 | Bruners | then save your money and buy a regular phone |
| 14:57.31 | olafski | haha |
| 14:57.33 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: you dont need root to do that! |
| 14:57.35 | olafski | sounds fun cbreak :) |
| 14:57.42 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: Home++, for example |
| 14:57.44 | jnwhiteh | available on market |
| 14:57.49 | nevcairiel | hrm |
| 14:57.59 | nevcairiel | the 2.1 home screen looked nice, too, though |
| 14:58.08 | jnwhiteh | what phone do you have? |
| 14:58.11 | nevcairiel | droid |
| 14:58.18 | nevcairiel | well milestone, but yeah :P |
| 14:58.21 | jnwhiteh | hehe =) |
| 14:59.06 | nevcairiel | also i wouldnt mind killing some of those default apps motorola put on there |
| 14:59.16 | nevcairiel | i dont need exchange access |
| 14:59.39 | A-KO | Exchange access is sweet |
| 14:59.48 | A-KO | I only wish apple had better contact management on the iphone |
| 14:59.50 | cbreak | exchange is a spawn of the devil microsoft |
| 14:59.58 | A-KO | Exchange is the primary reason MS makes so much $ |
| 15:00.05 | nevcairiel | I would need to VPN into work before i can actually access the exchange server |
| 15:00.08 | cbreak | thought that was excel |
| 15:00.09 | nevcairiel | so it doesnt help me much |
| 15:00.22 | cbreak | (excel seems to be used as database all over the place ...) |
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| 15:00.29 | A-KO | the iphone uses the OWA interfaces to get mail |
| 15:00.42 | nevcairiel | you mean access cbreak? :D |
| 15:00.47 | A-KO | no, he means excel |
| 15:01.00 | A-KO | Excel as a database and e-mail as a file sharing and document collaberation tool |
| 15:01.13 | cbreak | yes. it's terrible. |
| 15:01.24 | nevcairiel | with exchange its not even that far fetched to use it to exchange files :/ |
| 15:01.37 | A-KO | for once I rather enjoy Sharepoint's integration into MSO |
| 15:01.47 | A-KO | if only we used it at work for what its intended purpose was |
| 15:01.57 | cbreak | exchange dismembers itself when the data grows too big :( |
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| 15:02.37 | olafski | a-ko: what 's wrong with the contact management on the iphone? this seems like something that might interest me ;) |
| 15:03.03 | nevcairiel | I like my contact integration into google, i just wish i had a plugin to sync it into various mail clients too |
| 15:03.24 | A-KO | olafski: I synced it with my google contacts to try and get my iphone to update my google contacts with its data. Instead, it merged my google contacts (every e-mail I've ever sent) into my iphone. Which now means I've got duplicate records for a ton of people, random e-mail addresses I only ever sent mail to once, etc. |
| 15:03.29 | cbreak | no export? |
| 15:03.37 | A-KO | nope :( |
| 15:03.41 | nevcairiel | i can manually export, sure |
| 15:03.43 | A-KO | not from the iphone |
| 15:04.00 | cbreak | doesn't it use iCal? |
| 15:04.07 | A-KO | maybe on macs |
| 15:04.10 | A-KO | but not in Windows |
| 15:04.13 | cbreak | has no need for contact management due to lack of contacts |
| 15:04.17 | olafski | hmmmmm. not sure how this would affect me |
| 15:04.18 | nevcairiel | google has a tool to sync its calendar to outlook, and thunderbird can natively access the google calendar |
| 15:04.24 | A-KO | and for some reason it's not syncing to my Windows contacts, which I think is due to the beta Office 2010 usage |
| 15:04.25 | nevcairiel | no such luck with contacts, though |
| 15:04.28 | olafski | actually I don't use gmail so I'd have to switch to using that instead of what I have now anyway |
| 15:04.44 | A-KO | olafski: well the idea was to update my contact list for google voice, which I use extensively to call outside of the country |
| 15:04.53 | A-KO | didn't work out so well that way |
| 15:06.12 | olafski | ah. I don't have google voice |
| 15:06.21 | olafski | was merely interested in syncing it with my email |
| 15:06.40 | olafski | wonder if I can adapt to using gmail instead of my curreny mail :P |
| 15:06.51 | A-KO | I use imap for everything now |
| 15:06.53 | olafski | current* |
| 15:06.56 | A-KO | so mail syncing tends to do pretty well |
| 15:07.00 | ScytheBlade1 | imap is win |
| 15:07.07 | olafski | I still use pop.. and I remove mail from the server when I access it |
| 15:07.08 | A-KO | it's a bit slower than pop though |
| 15:07.13 | nevcairiel | I still need to transfer my old mails back into imap |
| 15:07.15 | cbreak | I have my own server :) |
| 15:07.17 | DJJeff | here |
| 15:07.18 | DJJeff | it |
| 15:07.18 | A-KO | but because I access mail from all over, I figured I'd use imap |
| 15:07.19 | DJJeff | comes |
| 15:07.19 | Wobin | http://fukung.net/v/24749/6df1f1f6f45bca1f7967793ab9d7e979..jpg |
| 15:07.25 | Wobin | win ^ |
| 15:07.28 | olafski | more than one word per line please djjeff, we're trying to talk here |
| 15:07.29 | DJJeff | wow screenshot of the year................. |
| 15:07.31 | DJJeff | http://i47.tinypic.com/1536zy0.jpg |
| 15:07.36 | DJJeff | ^^^ - epic win |
| 15:07.44 | DJJeff | druid diversity |
| 15:07.50 | DJJeff | in every color |
| 15:07.51 | olafski | wtf is so special about that oO |
| 15:07.58 | olafski | there are 5 colors available I think |
| 15:08.10 | olafski | that one rocks though wobin :) |
| 15:08.29 | nevcairiel | yeah srsly, thats missing some colors |
| 15:08.45 | olafski | djjeff: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.wow.com/media/2009/06/druidfull.jpg |
| 15:08.46 | olafski | enjoy |
| 15:08.48 | DJJeff | still cute though |
| 15:10.07 | DJJeff | damn server rolling restarts when I was in a dungeon X_X |
| 15:10.19 | DJJeff | damn you blizzard |
| 15:12.07 | Kaelten | Adys: no WowAce and CurseForge aren't on django any longer, they're all python though. |
| 15:12.22 | nevcairiel | you're like a day slow, mr. Kaelten |
| 15:14.59 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: :D |
| 15:15.03 | Kaelten | how's it going guys? |
| 15:15.35 | olafski | fine sir! how are you? |
| 15:15.59 | reeCe | is there any WoW LuA snippets? like planetsourcecode.com has? |
| 15:16.02 | nevcairiel | all is well, the company i'm doing my thesis with just offered me a job to stay with them afterwards, i r happy |
| 15:16.02 | Kaelten | it's going |
| 15:16.11 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: gratz! |
| 15:16.15 | Kaelten | what kinda work is it? |
| 15:16.20 | nevcairiel | java web dev |
| 15:16.28 | Kaelten | my sympathies |
| 15:16.33 | nevcairiel | heh, its not that bad |
| 15:16.36 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 15:16.50 | Kaelten | I've been rewriting my deployment scripts for curseforge |
| 15:17.10 | Kaelten | it's awesome when your tools update and your stuck with the choices of downgrading or replacing. |
| 15:19.50 | Lopeppeppy | almost sounds like a graphics card driver! |
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| 15:20.28 | Lopeppeppy | and congrats, nevcairiel. |
| 15:20.31 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: huh, why did they break? |
| 15:20.33 | nevcairiel | thanks :) |
| 15:20.43 | Kaelten | fabric went through some major major changes |
| 15:20.46 | Kaelten | for the better mind you |
| 15:20.55 | Kaelten | but it was easier to rewrite than just update the scripts |
| 15:21.09 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 15:22.00 | nevcairiel | a clean rewrite now and then just improves code =) |
| 15:22.31 | Kaelten | indeed |
| 15:22.36 | Kaelten | this new stuff is much cleaner than the old |
| 15:22.42 | nevcairiel | I wish i could work more with python |
| 15:23.13 | Kaelten | I'm shocked my deployment script is actually getting a 9.23 from pylint |
| 15:24.11 | nevcairiel | I'm not that familiar with pylint, is 10 the best score by any chance? |
| 15:25.08 | olafski | any chance that username renaming becomes possible? ,-) |
| 15:25.30 | Adys | I dont know how to fix my recent additions page |
| 15:25.43 | Lopeppeppy | I want a pwny |
| 15:25.57 | Adys | it's using generic foreignkeys which can't be pulled by select_related |
| 15:26.05 | Adys | which ends up in hundreds of sql queries.. |
| 15:26.06 | Cide | custom sql |
| 15:26.25 | Adys | yea i guess |
| 15:26.37 | nevcairiel | the ancient art of sql, silly ORMs make us forget |
| 15:26.49 | Adys | sql is fucking terrible |
| 15:26.52 | Ackis | DROP ackis FROM * |
| 15:26.56 | Adys | APIs are where they're at |
| 15:27.10 | Adys | you shouldn't need an orm, dbs should provide bindings :( |
| 15:27.20 | alestane | "My Little Ponys" had named like Sundance and Flutterby. I have a feeling that "My Little Pwnys" would have rather different names. |
| 15:27.27 | reeCe | Kaso like a sendmail function on MAIL_SHOW |
| 15:27.28 | nevcairiel | orm's do more then bindings, imho |
| 15:27.35 | Ackis | I remember getting drunk once and singing the theme song to my little ponys |
| 15:27.50 | Adys | nevcairiel: yeah but there are no bindings at all |
| 15:28.01 | Adys | it's always just retarded sql generation |
| 15:28.14 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 15:28.33 | nevcairiel | but i guess thats just in the nature of the DBMS |
| 15:28.47 | Adys | [sql/summary] (784.01ms) 3837 queries |
| 15:28.49 | nevcairiel | or would they internally generate sql then and ship that of to the server? :D |
| 15:28.55 | Kaso | well thats a delayed response. I'm afraid im not really aware of any repository of pre-formed wow lua chunks like that |
| 15:29.44 | Cide | bindings that don't take SQL would just be an SQL wrapper themselves |
| 15:29.54 | Cide | and so you'd end up with things that *they* couldn't do |
| 15:30.01 | nevcairiel | Also, never use any sane ORM if you have to get back to hibernate at work |
| 15:30.02 | Cide | and end up having to write sql anyway |
| 15:30.07 | nevcairiel | wtb more dynamic approaches in java |
| 15:30.22 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: yes |
| 15:30.25 | Adys | no Cide, the whole point of bindings is not generating sql |
| 15:30.38 | nevcairiel | I miss sqlalchemy, or activerecord :( |
| 15:30.40 | Adys | sql is parsed into a logical tree |
| 15:30.54 | Adys | a binding gives you direct access to that logical tree |
| 15:31.03 | Cide | yeah, because that's easier than just writing the sql |
| 15:31.06 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 15:31.13 | Fisker | but not you Kaelten |
| 15:31.14 | Kaelten | ~comfort nevcairiel |
| 15:31.15 | purl | There, there, nevcairiel. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:31.28 | nevcairiel | thats actually part of my thesis |
| 15:31.31 | Adys | yes it's easier, it's more efficient and it's exactly what ORMs do |
| 15:31.38 | Adys | except ORMs are two layers above it |
| 15:32.04 | olafski | mmmm activerecord |
| 15:32.29 | nevcairiel | i found something caleld ActiveObjects for Java which was inspired by ActiveRecord |
| 15:32.38 | nevcairiel | it seems rather usuable, but is abandoned since 2008 |
| 15:33.03 | nevcairiel | those projects don't seem to stick in the java world |
| 15:34.24 | Grum | but nevcairiel, java is teh awseoms! |
| 15:34.50 | Cide | yeah, no |
| 15:35.05 | nevcairiel | I don't mind java, its just that most old-school java devs don't like those dynamic approaches and hang on to their old stuff |
| 15:35.15 | krka | speaking of java this may be interesting for all you TDD:ers http://code.google.com/p/mockachino/ |
| 15:35.28 | Grum | the sad thing about dynamic approaches in java it even takes more code :( |
| 15:35.47 | nevcairiel | initially, sure |
| 15:35.55 | nevcairiel | ebcause you have to work around the static typing |
| 15:35.56 | krka | nevcairiel: know of any better stuff than hibernate for java? |
| 15:36.12 | nevcairiel | nothing that seems to be alive and kicking, sadly |
| 15:36.37 | Grum | nevcairiel: you can get around some of the stuff using injection, but that manages to confuse your wonderful IDE you cant do without |
| 15:36.41 | krka | i'll gladly take dead and kicking |
| 15:36.51 | olafski | hot damn I just found out php has activerecord too.. nice :P |
| 15:37.46 | krka | activerecord? is that where objects have an implicit reference to the database? |
| 15:37.52 | krka | and can persist themselves |
| 15:38.09 | nevcairiel | yeah, you just call <object>.save() |
| 15:38.11 | Grum | every object is basicly a row in a table |
| 15:38.16 | olafski | krka: that's ORM yeah |
| 15:38.18 | Kaelten | krka: its a object relation manager |
| 15:38.53 | nevcairiel | java ORM's are usually POJO based, so you need a entity manager to persist them |
| 15:39.00 | nevcairiel | because they don't know wtf they are |
| 15:39.11 | krka | sounds like bad design to mix domain objects and reference to the actual persistance layer |
| 15:40.03 | olafski | hater |
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| 15:40.09 | Vilkku | hey hey |
| 15:40.20 | Vilkku | is it possible to have a table inside a table? |
| 15:40.21 | Vilkku | like |
| 15:40.42 | nevcairiel | with hibernate you usually write a DAO class as well, because otherwise you won't have handy lookup functions, and it all adds up to alot of classes just to access soem DB |
| 15:40.52 | krka | i heard you liked to put tables inside tables, so i made you a function for putting tables in tables so you can put tables in tables while you put tables in tables |
| 15:40.53 | Vilkku | stuff = { lol = "hax", thingy = { yay = "pixies" }} |
| 15:40.58 | Cide | Vilkku, yes. www.lua.org/pil |
| 15:41.11 | nevcairiel | Vilkku: sure,you even did it the right way |
| 15:41.13 | olafski | this just calls for a "yo dawg" line :( |
| 15:41.22 | olafski | oh |
| 15:41.26 | olafski | krka already did it :P |
| 15:41.30 | Vilkku | nevcairiel, k, well it's not working :P that's why I asked |
| 15:41.44 | nevcairiel | lua> t = { foo = { bar = true }}; pp(t) |
| 15:41.47 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: { ["foo"] = { ["bar"] = true } (#2) } (#1) |
| 15:41.48 | Vilkku | oh right |
| 15:41.49 | nevcairiel | works here |
| 15:41.51 | Vilkku | I called it the wrong way |
| 15:41.57 | krka | olafski: did you see my link? it's pretty awesome stuff! |
| 15:42.01 | Cide | psh |
| 15:42.05 | Cide | biased much?! |
| 15:42.18 | olafski | which link is that krka :( |
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| 15:43.14 | Lopeppeppy | mockachino? Bad pun! |
| 15:43.23 | krka | Cide: yes, i am very biased, and damn proud of it! |
| 15:43.34 | Cide | :) |
| 15:43.40 | Ackis | I am in a very foul mood today again, I need someone/something to beat |
| 15:43.56 | nicoli_s | yer setting yerself up with that one ackis |
| 15:44.22 | Kaelten | ~lart Ackis |
| 15:44.22 | purl | drops a humongous exploding nuke on Ackis |
| 15:45.01 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, come drive me home, that will cheer you up! |
| 15:45.03 | olafski | krka: did you post a link here? or was it the one you posted in #java a few days ago |
| 15:45.26 | Cide | <krka> speaking of java this may be interesting for all you TDD:ers http://code.google.com/p/mockachino/ |
| 15:45.26 | nicoli_s | they got you all painkillered up Lopeppeppy? |
| 15:45.42 | olafski | how did I miss that oO |
| 15:45.47 | krka | can't remember what i post in #java :/ |
| 15:45.50 | krka | might have been the same! |
| 15:45.53 | Lopeppeppy | No, surgery isn't until the 25th, and I've already been warned, no painkillers. |
| 15:45.53 | krka | i spam a lot! |
| 15:45.59 | nicoli_s | ouch |
| 15:46.26 | olafski | ah but I had already seen the link in #java yeah :) |
| 15:46.38 | olafski | you were asking for people to test it there |
| 15:46.59 | krka | no one did :( |
| 15:47.03 | krka | makes me a sad panda |
| 15:51.33 | Ackis | XXX Pokemon: Bondage Bulbasaur and Gang Rape Golem. |
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| 15:57.53 | Vilkku | okey, sorry for being too dumb to figure this out/knowing what to look for, but in my stuff = { lol = "hax", thingy = { yay = "pixies" }} example, how would I get the value of yay? |
| 15:58.10 | nevcairiel | stuff.thingy.yay |
| 15:58.18 | Vilkku | with dots? ooooooooooooooooooooh |
| 15:58.25 | nevcairiel | or stuff["thingy"]["yay"] |
| 15:58.42 | nevcairiel | well what did you try? |
| 15:58.47 | Vilkku | hmm, I thought I tried that as well |
| 15:59.19 | Adys | shadowed |
| 15:59.21 | Vilkku | I did try stuff["thingy"["yay"]] and then moving around the ["yay"] and trying variations with or without " |
| 15:59.36 | alestane | r.f is syntax sugar for r["f"]. |
| 15:59.45 | Vilkku | I thank you. |
| 16:00.25 | alestane | So it shouldn't actually amtter which you do. |
| 16:03.16 | Kaso | except if you use numbers in your key ;p |
| 16:03.25 | Kaso | or other odd chars |
| 16:03.42 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Got any leftover codeine cough syrup or something to get you through the weekend? |
| 16:04.16 | nicoli_s | if so, send it my way :P |
| 16:04.29 | Lopeppeppy | I have a few tablets left from the original prescription my PA gave me 6 months ago for this hand, saved specifically for surgery-day. :) That's it. After that, I suck it up. |
| 16:04.55 | nicoli_s | you juse need to get some nice safe medicinal heroin |
| 16:05.16 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, yeah, you let me know when that's on the market, kk? |
| 16:05.45 | nicoli_s | will do, just check 30+ years ago :P |
| 16:05.46 | Lopeppeppy | These are the days I want to go live with Cairenn in a country where pain is treated as part of the physical problem, not some psychological issue. |
| 16:05.56 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 16:05.58 | nicoli_s | whar does she live? |
| 16:06.12 | Cairenn | Canada |
| 16:06.18 | nicoli_s | ahhh |
| 16:06.20 | nicoli_s | lucky you :) |
| 16:06.38 | Lopeppeppy | Not all that far away, just a few hours north of me really. Like... 5 or 6... |
| 16:06.43 | Cairenn | yup |
| 16:06.56 | Cairenn | would happily baby Lopeppeppy for a while |
| 16:06.58 | nicoli_s | id love to go to canda |
| 16:07.04 | Cairenn | and feed her over the counter codeine |
| 16:07.33 | alestane | Cairenn: I offered. Someone has dibs, apparently. |
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| 16:08.57 | Lopeppeppy | I'm either not going to need help, or I'm going to need it so badly that I won't be sane. I'm in this catch-22 alestane. I told dibs to go take a hike too. |
| 16:10.52 | Lopeppeppy | huggles alestane. |
| 16:11.15 | alestane | Not thrilled about the notion of you out of your head alone with the cats, but I doubt I'm going to change your mind on this one, am I. |
| 16:12.53 | Lopeppeppy | Redheads. Can't beat them, there's laws against that. |
| 16:12.58 | Cairenn | alestane: I have the advantage of being able to legally get her something stronger than just tylenol for the pain |
| 16:13.32 | nicoli_s | you mean weed? |
| 16:13.39 | nicoli_s | :P |
| 16:13.46 | Cairenn | :p |
| 16:13.47 | Cairenn | no |
| 16:13.50 | Cairenn | I mean codiene |
| 16:14.00 | Lopeppeppy | Jeez. |
| 16:14.10 | Cairenn | up to a certain dosage, you can just buy it over the counter here |
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| 16:14.25 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause in Canada, persons are adults, omg. |
| 16:14.27 | Cairenn | Tylenol 1s |
| 16:14.37 | nicoli_s | whats the equivalent of a codeine wino? cuz i wanna be that |
| 16:14.38 | Cairenn | or 222s |
| 16:14.39 | nevcairiel | I'm not sure having stronger drugs over the counter is that much of a good idea, we don't have that here. But our doctors care enough to give you the right stuff when you need it =P |
| 16:14.52 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 16:15.00 | Lopeppeppy | I'd settle for that, nevcairiel. |
| 16:16.48 | nevcairiel | ibuprofen is about the strongest you can get over the counter here, and for every pain thats worse then it can deal with, you should go see a doctor, fwiw :) |
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| 16:17.57 | Cairenn | ibuprofen != pain killer, ibuprofen == anti-inflammatory |
| 16:18.18 | nevcairiel | works against pain for me |
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| 16:19.01 | zenzelezz | I thought ibuprofen was against headaches... am I confusing it with something? |
| 16:19.07 | Lopeppeppy | Tylenol. |
| 16:19.15 | Gnarfoz | "Tylenol" doesn't exist here |
| 16:19.27 | Gnarfoz | (just like aluminum doesn't :P) |
| 16:19.37 | Cairenn | Tylenol == acetaminophen |
| 16:19.42 | Cairenn | Asprin == ASA |
| 16:19.55 | Cairenn | Advil (et al) == Ibuprofen |
| 16:19.58 | Gnarfoz | Aspirin has nothing to do with this ;o |
| 16:20.15 | ScytheBlade1 | this is why I have lortab! |
| 16:20.15 | Cairenn | first two are pain killers, last is an anti-inflammatory |
| 16:20.27 | Lopeppeppy | I can't take ibuprofen anyway, or any of the NSAIDS. I can only take tylenol, which does jack all for swelling and muscle aches. Tylenol tends to work better on nerve-based pain like headaches. |
| 16:20.40 | zenzelezz | I use something called "ibux" against headaches |
| 16:20.48 | zenzelezz | (the brand, not the material) |
| 16:20.53 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn: Ibuprofen is also a painkiller, not sure why you insist otherwise |
| 16:20.57 | Lopeppeppy | That's probably of the ibuprofen line, just at a guess. |
| 16:21.01 | Cairenn | ibuprofen can help with pain, if the pain is caused by swelling |
| 16:21.06 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: that's where I guessed from too |
| 16:21.19 | Cairenn | never said it doesn't help with it |
| 16:21.38 | Cairenn | just said that it isn't actually a pain killer (ie the categorization of said) |
| 16:21.44 | Gnarfoz | it helps even when there's no inflammation, it works even better if there is one |
| 16:21.48 | Cairenn | it works in a different way |
| 16:22.40 | Cairenn | that's why, around here at least, you can frequently be told to take both at the same time, depending on what you're taking them for |
| 16:23.05 | Lopeppeppy | Trust chronic pain sufferers to know how each one works, and what the max dose of each is. |
| 16:23.23 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: no thanks |
| 16:23.32 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: I'd rather trust professionals than patients ;) |
| 16:23.50 | Gnarfoz | goes back to Heroes |
| 16:24.33 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't call Heroes "professionals" |
| 16:24.39 | Cairenn | lol |
| 16:25.04 | Gnarfoz | haha ;> |
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| 16:37.02 | reeCe | in win7 can you get wow buttons in the taskbar to stack? |
| 16:37.05 | reeCe | everythign else does. |
| 16:37.36 | A-KO | no reeCe, because technically they're 2 separate icons/programs |
| 16:37.47 | reeCe | ahh got ya |
| 16:37.48 | A-KO | I think blizzard can do something on their end with it, but they haven't. |
| 16:38.06 | reeCe | i dont think they like dual boxing |
| 16:38.09 | reeCe | would explain why they havnt |
| 16:38.33 | Lopeppeppy | They are perfectly fine with dual boxing. There's just not much return for them in makign the tweak, so they haven't yet. |
| 16:39.30 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, cogwheel! |
| 16:39.32 | Kaso | isnt it technically single boxing if theyre on the same computer ;p |
| 16:39.49 | Lopeppeppy | Dual boxing. Two copies, putatively came in two boxes. :P |
| 16:40.04 | nevcairiel | My WoW contains of 3 boxes by now |
| 16:40.07 | nevcairiel | now what? |
| 16:40.07 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 16:40.16 | Lopeppeppy | You are multi-boxing. |
| 16:40.28 | Lopeppeppy | Leelu Dallas Multipass. |
| 16:40.35 | Kaso | lol |
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| 16:41.48 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Birthday Mrs. Cogwheel |
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| 16:42.17 | reeCe | ok im completely new coding LuA. but im not new to coding.. I need it to detect MAIL_SHOW is called in the API. how do I start off the script |
| 16:44.32 | haste | reeCe: local f = CreateFrame'Frame' f:RegisterEvent'MAIL_SHOW' f:SetScript('OnEvent', function(self, event, ...) return self[event](self, event, ...) end) function f:MAIL_SHOW() end |
| 16:44.49 | Kaso | damn you i was typing that |
| 16:45.10 | haste | >:3 |
| 16:45.25 | Kaso | i don't like missing the () on function calls, makes it look wierd to me |
| 16:45.43 | nevcairiel | haste is just weird like that |
| 16:46.15 | nevcairiel | not that it looks weird, its also inconsistent as you need them on functions with 2 arguments |
| 16:46.22 | nevcairiel | or when using a variable |
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| 16:46.51 | reeCe | tyvm haste. |
| 16:47.10 | reeCe | ty Kaso aswel |
| 16:47.11 | reeCe | lol |
| 16:47.48 | reeCe | just want a for each loop to send mails to my bank with 12 stacks attached. |
| 16:49.49 | Fisker | hey u haste |
| 16:50.22 | DWSR | hey u pikachu |
| 16:50.37 | DWSR | owait |
| 16:51.35 | Kaso | reeCe: you've worked out how to attach items? (ie PickupContainerItem/ClickSendMailItemButton) that can be a bit wierd |
| 16:52.07 | DWSR | I'm sure that there are already mass mailer addons out there |
| 16:52.18 | DWSR | Just in case you care about reinventing the wheel. |
| 16:55.02 | DWSR | hurray for pseudoOOP |
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| 17:08.16 | Cairenn | station! |
| 17:08.21 | Cairenn | (hah! beat you) |
| 17:10.08 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-dear. |
| 17:11.08 | Lunessa | Station indeed. Much <3 for the Ladies of #wowuidev. (Appearing soon on a desk calendar near you - Lopeppeppy is May, Murdering Sheeple) |
| 17:12.33 | Lopeppeppy | Wooot! I can do that all the month of May, I swear it. |
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| 17:14.15 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is willing to pose for a calendar? o.O |
| 17:14.40 | Lopeppeppy | Of course. |
| 17:15.00 | DWSR | Only if you're killing sheeple naked. |
| 17:15.01 | Lopeppeppy | With all the blood, no one will look at my face. |
| 17:15.17 | A-KO | Baltimore Mayor Stephanie C. Rawlings-Blake has ordered Phase III of the city's snow plan, which means that only emergency vehicles -- police and fire officials, ambulances, snow plows and Baltimore Gas and Electric Co. workers -- are allowed on the road. |
| 17:15.33 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. |
| 17:15.39 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5468655/10-years-of-bejeweled-1000-years-of-lost-productivity |
| 17:15.41 | Lopeppeppy | We do that about once a month back home. |
| 17:16.19 | Shadowed | Needs a better name, Plan C sounds more ominous than Phase II |
| 17:16.21 | Shadowed | +I |
| 17:17.43 | Cide | more like plan ZZZ |
| 17:17.53 | Cide | they ran out of letters^3 |
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| 17:18.10 | Shadowed | haha |
| 17:23.31 | Kraps | minimizing and maximizing ME made my screen go all pixelated or something, had to reboot |
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| 17:24.45 | DWSR | lulz |
| 17:25.03 | DWSR | yeah, you're playing on a lower resolution than your desktop res. |
| 17:27.33 | Kraps | if you're playing a paragon shep, do the renegade interrupts take away from that? |
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| 17:28.43 | DWSR | No. |
| 17:28.47 | DWSR | Both meters only fill |
| 17:29.00 | DWSR | But you get less paragon points for using the renegade interrupts. |
| 17:29.08 | Kraps | ah |
| 17:29.11 | DWSR | Some of the points that you would have got go to your renegade score. |
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| 17:30.10 | Gnarfoz | say what http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experimental.html |
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| 17:31.00 | ZorbaTHut | haha I love google sometimes |
| 17:31.41 | Kraps | they're gonna take over the world and things like that prove it |
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| 17:32.59 | nicoli_s | thats sweet |
| 17:33.34 | Gnarfoz | I live in the wrong country |
| 17:33.45 | Shadowed | They can be crowned king Kraps, if I get faster non-comcast internet |
| 17:34.28 | nicoli_s | comcast hasnt been too bad to me so far |
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| 17:35.09 | Shadowed | Comcast in my area is on an enclosed system. So if I call the main comcast site and tell them internet is out, they can't actually debug it |
| 17:35.13 | Shadowed | or at least, that's what the local guys say |
| 17:35.27 | Shadowed | They could also be lying |
| 17:35.31 | nicoli_s | thats pretty bullshit |
| 17:35.48 | nicoli_s | i remember having AT&T tell me we havent had phone service in a week because of the xbox 360 :P |
| 17:35.56 | Shadowed | nice |
| 17:36.02 | Kraps | Shadowed: they seem to be the most hated provider in the US |
| 17:36.03 | Lunessa | Google kind of scares me at times. |
| 17:36.23 | Shadowed | Comcast is also a lot bigger than AT&T by a fair margin I believe? for internet that is |
| 17:36.42 | nicoli_s | dont fear the reaper lunessa |
| 17:36.44 | Shadowed | Lunessa: Once Google has their own soft drink, worry a lot |
| 17:37.38 | Kraps | Shadowed: what speed do you have? |
| 17:37.54 | Shadowed | mmmm, 6 down/2 up I want to say? |
| 17:37.57 | Shadowed | Might be 8/2 |
| 17:38.03 | Gnarfoz | lucky bastard :< |
| 17:38.31 | Gnarfoz | nearly *all* of the internet connections you can get in Germany are highly asymmetric =( |
| 17:38.34 | Kraps | 6 mbps? |
| 17:38.43 | Lunessa | Shadowed: They put in an application to become a trader in the power industry. They want to have an OS for computing devices and store all my data in their cloud. They're going to build their own high-speed network and treat it like a utility. They're pushing into the phone market. Am I the only one who has monopoly fears? |
| 17:38.52 | Adys | google finally releasing their isp <3 |
| 17:39.03 | Lunessa | Actually, I should say "Anti-Trust" fears. |
| 17:39.09 | Shadowed | yea Kraps |
| 17:39.12 | Shadowed | It used to be 4/2 but they upgraded it about a year ago |
| 17:39.15 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, it's questionable. they've made great efforts to ensure that people can leave their service easily |
| 17:39.23 | Gnarfoz | i.e. where you have 6/2 which of course means 3:1 d/u, I have 3/.192, which is 1:.064 |
| 17:39.24 | ZorbaTHut | as long as that's true, there isn't really an anti-trust issue involved |
| 17:39.53 | Kraps | i have cablevision 15/2 |
| 17:40.07 | Shadowed | dorm network is amusing |
| 17:40.08 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: It's just starting to smell like 1920s US Steel. Or Standard Oil. |
| 17:40.15 | Shadowed | 7/11 |
| 17:40.23 | Shadowed | So if I ever want to upload torrents, perfect network |
| 17:44.27 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/2/10/ |
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| 17:46.24 | Kaelten | google could be a monoply if they offered me 1gbit/s speeds for a good price |
| 17:46.27 | Kaelten | I'd not care |
| 17:46.44 | Kaelten | the current state of internet speeds in the US really really has a lot of issues |
| 17:47.06 | nicoli_s | i mean is it any different than our media monopoly? |
| 17:47.23 | Kaelten | nicoli_s: nope, I have the choice of 1 cable provider |
| 17:47.27 | Kaelten | 1 teleco |
| 17:47.30 | Kaelten | 1 power company |
| 17:47.34 | Kaelten | 1 water company |
| 17:47.43 | Kaelten | 1 garbage provider |
| 17:47.55 | ZorbaTHut | the media monopoly is getting pretty damn shaky at this point |
| 17:48.08 | Shadowed | Yea now that I think about it, don't think I can even get AT&T without getting a dedicated lineinstalled |
| 17:48.16 | Kaelten | the only thing I have a choie for is cell phone provider, but thanks to apple, that's limited to AT&T |
| 17:48.39 | Shadowed | I don't think that exactly counts, since you aren't required to use the iphone :p |
| 17:49.14 | Kaelten | :P |
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| 17:50.03 | Kaelten | regardless of that techinicality the long list of things that I either need or practically need and are limited to 1 provider is substantial |
| 17:53.08 | nicoli_s | well hey, you had the opporunity to build yer new house off the grid so you wouldnt need the power/water/gas/garbage providers, but ya didnt, so now prepare to bow down to the, |
| 17:54.09 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1598 |
| 17:54.22 | Kaelten | nicoli_s: :P |
| 17:54.35 | nicoli_s | wtf is that adys |
| 17:54.39 | nicoli_s | thats just weird and awkward |
| 17:54.40 | Adys | QC |
| 17:55.58 | Antiarc | Holy flaming ballsacks |
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| 17:56.13 | Antiarc | Google is rolling out GIGABIT FIBER LINES to a small test market of consumers. |
| 17:56.34 | shifuimam | <3 |
| 17:56.52 | Antiarc | Do you have any idea what I could do with a gigabit line running into my house? |
| 17:57.24 | nevcairiel | google is doing ISP work now? |
| 17:57.34 | Antiarc | They're looking to become an ISP, apparently |
| 17:57.35 | Antiarc | http://gizmodo.com/5468670/google-wants-to-test-gigabit-fiber-internet-for-up-to-500000-people |
| 17:57.51 | Adys | of course they bloody are |
| 17:57.58 | Adys | because they're fucking awesome |
| 17:57.59 | Adys | thats why* |
| 17:58.12 | Thrae | FiOS uses Cat 5e if you're using ethernet, but only negotiates at 100mbit full duplex. However MoAC has the capability of going Gigabit and beyond. |
| 17:58.29 | Antiarc | My pants are honestly a little tight at the thought of a consumer gigabit line. |
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| 17:58.44 | DWSR2 | hey all |
| 17:58.54 | nevcairiel | thats full gigabit in upload too, yes? |
| 17:59.03 | Antiarc | I'd presume so. |
| 17:59.24 | Antiarc | I mean, hell, even if they give me 1% of the downstream as upload bandwidth, that's massively more than I have right now. |
| 17:59.42 | nevcairiel | I wonder if that would have an impact on the global internet infrastructure |
| 17:59.49 | DWSR2 | Can a function that resides in a table call a local function in the same file (but not in the table)? |
| 18:00.55 | Kaelten | Antiarc: lol |
| 18:01.27 | Antiarc | DWSR2: If the function to call is in the other function's scope, yes |
| 18:01.30 | nevcairiel | And i'm already happy at the thought of getting 50/10 sometime this year =/ |
| 18:01.30 | Fisker | slaps Kaelten around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:01.41 | Fisker | @project blessed |
| 18:01.42 | Repo | Fisker: http://www.wowace.com/addons/blessed/. Blessed. Game: WoW. Antiarc (Manager/Author). Updated: 36 days ago |
| 18:01.43 | DWSR2 | Antiarc: ok |
| 18:01.43 | nevcairiel | wtb google internetz |
| 18:01.47 | Kaelten | nevcairiel: if it get's rolled out widespread, it'd probably cause an issue with the international trunks |
| 18:01.47 | DWSR2 | Thanks Antiarc. |
| 18:02.03 | Antiarc | Very nearly nobody would use anywhere near the full pipe |
| 18:02.08 | nevcairiel | Kaelten: after a month, people will have mirrored all porn on the webs, it'll be alright |
| 18:02.17 | Kaelten | this is true |
| 18:02.36 | nevcairiel | most people dont even have harddrives to serve a 1gbit line :P |
| 18:02.38 | Kaelten | a guy in europe got a 10gb/s line put in his mom's house |
| 18:02.53 | Kaelten | as an experiment |
| 18:02.57 | nevcairiel | 120mb/s read, or even write .. thats a pretty good drive |
| 18:03.28 | Thunder_Child | striped might get that high |
| 18:03.40 | nevcairiel | 5 gets there too |
| 18:03.58 | nevcairiel | my best drive can do 90 read, 75 write or so |
| 18:04.25 | Kaelten | what do you guys think about those broadband blimps? |
| 18:04.50 | nevcairiel | sad thing is, i don't even have the local infrastructure to deal with that, my silly router only does 100mbit :P |
| 18:04.59 | nevcairiel | although i guess i could setup some linux thing to deal with it, hehe |
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| 18:05.48 | nevcairiel | I'll still be happy to get my 50/10 line in a few month! |
| 18:06.10 | Thrae | nevcairiel: NA or Europe? |
| 18:06.50 | nevcairiel | europe |
| 18:07.06 | Thrae | Ah, nice fiber line then, hopefully. |
| 18:07.25 | nevcairiel | I just have to move to were they have that already |
| 18:07.28 | nevcairiel | into teh big city |
| 18:07.42 | Thrae | Also the infrastructure in Europe is newer, so local servers can handle that 50mbit. |
| 18:08.02 | nevcairiel | I'm not sure about the actual bandwidth you get out of that |
| 18:08.14 | nevcairiel | should google that |
| 18:08.50 | Thrae | I have 25/25 here in the US and really neither is used 100% for anything on the web, just services like running HTTPD, SFTP, BT, etc. |
| 18:09.10 | Fisker | Thrae |
| 18:09.21 | Thrae | Even the best connections still get "buffering" from Hulu and the like due to nodes inbetween |
| 18:09.24 | nevcairiel | We're alot into DSL here, and synchronous lines on DSL are just bad for the lines |
| 18:09.35 | Thrae | Fisker: Don't you use my name as an action buster |
| 18:09.41 | Lopeppeppy | hulu buffering makes baby Peppy cry |
| 18:09.42 | Fisker | Thrae gould? |
| 18:10.15 | Thrae | I hear in Europe, for servers IN Europe, it's a lot faster for people that have fat pipes |
| 18:10.19 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: untrue, also it's "symmetric" |
| 18:10.25 | Gnarfoz | <Thrae> Ah, nice fiber line then, hopefully. <-- no, it's DSL |
| 18:10.50 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: whatever its called, SDSL destroys copper lines =P |
| 18:11.00 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 18:11.01 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 18:11.05 | Fisker | lol dsl? |
| 18:11.08 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: there'd be no problem whatsoever to make ADSL offers here less asymmetric |
| 18:11.12 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Oh, DSL? Pffff. Well it's still better than Cable... |
| 18:11.21 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: what's wrong with DSL? |
| 18:11.23 | nevcairiel | You can get cable as well |
| 18:11.36 | nevcairiel | i believe our cable provider just uped to 100/2.5 or so :P |
| 18:11.38 | Thrae | Gnarfoz: Distance requirements and problems |
| 18:11.40 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: it's VDSL2 from cabinets along the street, copper line is sub 500m |
| 18:11.49 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: no problems, just distance, and distance is small in Germany. :P |
| 18:12.02 | Gnarfoz | it's not like you have to cross a 5mile gap from somewhere to your home |
| 18:12.08 | Gnarfoz | (somewhere being the location of the DSLAM) |
| 18:12.37 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: which sucks, because 2.5mbit kabel-bw doesn't have the required bandwidth to suppor 100mbit downloads. :P (for tcp/ip with 1 ACK per packet, that is)) |
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| 18:12.43 | Gnarfoz | (you'd need 2.66mbit/s) |
| 18:12.54 | Thrae | Well in Germany, you might have the problem of some guy drunk on German beer and (sugar) high on German chocolate eating through your cables |
| 18:13.05 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: also not true |
| 18:13.08 | Thrae | Here in the US we only worry about squirrels and Christian fundementalists |
| 18:13.15 | nevcairiel | thats why i would always go for VDSL instead of cable, even when it offers double download rates |
| 18:13.15 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: because we put our cables underground :P |
| 18:13.21 | nevcairiel | besides, 10 up so much more then 2.5 |
| 18:13.34 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Especially if you like BT |
| 18:13.43 | Thrae | No cap, right? |
| 18:13.44 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: t-com vdsl is the only offer that has a reasonable ratio between down and up... 5:1 |
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| 18:13.56 | nevcairiel | of course t-com, anything else just sucks |
| 18:14.06 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that wasn't my point ^^ |
| 18:14.13 | Gnarfoz | the others are just resellers at this point, anyway |
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| 18:14.29 | nevcairiel | yeah, and they overbook their lines pretty heavily |
| 18:14.45 | Gnarfoz | Kabel Deutschland is bad, apparently, very bad |
| 18:15.17 | Gnarfoz | but hey, that's the image you get about nearly everything when you form your opinion based on heise comments :> |
| 18:15.27 | nevcairiel | I was wondering if that entertainment package from t-com is worth it, though. hdtv over ip, will have to check that out |
| 18:15.46 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: if you take the Call & Surf one, you have a 100gb traffic limit -.- |
| 18:15.54 | Gnarfoz | or 200gb, if you have a 50/10 line |
| 18:16.04 | Gnarfoz | which you can burn through in under *a day* |
| 18:16.30 | Gnarfoz | not that that's likely, but still, they always find a way to fuck customers over >:F |
| 18:17.10 | Fisker | what are traffic limits? |
| 18:17.22 | Fisker | you mean the amount your line can pull in a month? |
| 18:17.27 | Gnarfoz | (to clarify: C&S has a traffic limit; Entertain doesn't. Or at least Entertain doesn't say anything about one, so absence of a notice telling you about one probably means there isn't one) |
| 18:17.39 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: volume limit, if that's clearer, yeah |
| 18:17.48 | Gnarfoz | or just "cap" :p |
| 18:18.01 | Fisker | i'm trolling you because we have no traffic limits |
| 18:18.01 | Fisker | BAM |
| 18:18.20 | Gnarfoz | I'm certain there's a provider in .dk who offers one :P |
| 18:19.04 | Gnarfoz | and most lines don't have traffic limits, just the ones you'd really want :p |
| 18:21.12 | Kraps | its snowing |
| 18:21.52 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, yes it is. |
| 18:22.13 | Gnarfoz | I beg to differ! |
| 18:23.24 | Adys | LOL |
| 18:23.37 | Adys | "In youtube safety mode, comments are hidden by default" |
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| 18:26.33 | Lunessa | Ugh. They had someone else here in the office do a new guide document for setting up VPN under Windows 7. Shortly after he circulated the 'final draft' my boss came to me and asked me to re-do it. I told him "This is my Tech Writing is MY job. Foo!" |
| 18:27.07 | Lunessa | s/my/why |
| 18:27.37 | Lopeppeppy | Next time, they should save time and energy and have you do it from the start. |
| 18:28.07 | Lopeppeppy | I do most of our documentation, because I write it for the sheeple, while the other two write it for programmers (leaving steps out, forgetting that sheeple can't do everything we can, etc.) |
| 18:29.04 | alestane | Poor requirements analysis. |
| 18:29.51 | Lunessa | The document he produced looks like ass. And it's impossible to read. |
| 18:30.19 | Lunessa | If I'm lucky, I can salvage some screen shots out of it, but he muddied them up with red boxes. |
| 18:30.49 | alestane | So, poor writing and layout skills, too. |
| 18:31.19 | Lopeppeppy | Mine are boring, I admit. But they are thorough and sheeple love them. |
| 18:32.38 | alestane | Then they are functional, which is more important. |
| 18:33.32 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: entertain actually says "flatrate", iirc |
| 18:33.48 | nevcairiel | it would be kinda fucked up to offer hd movies over your net connection with a traffic limit :P |
| 18:34.31 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: C&S does, too, since the only thing that changes after the cap is your speed. :X |
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| 18:34.56 | nevcairiel | which for entertain would kill its main feature .P |
| 18:34.58 | Gnarfoz | and the IPTV stuff goes over a different VLAN, it doesn't count to your cap at all |
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| 18:35.32 | Lopeppeppy | Oh look, this would be the freezing rain stage. Nice. |
| 18:37.02 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i should call the t-com support and ask if their IPTV includes the possibility for english audio streams |
| 18:37.49 | Lopeppeppy | hey cogwheel! |
| 18:38.01 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: better yet, ask for u.s. channels ;) |
| 18:38.09 | nevcairiel | thats unlikely |
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| 18:40.43 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: where did you see that with the traffic cap on C&S anyway? i can't find it |
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| 18:41.05 | nevcairiel | since, Call & Surf Comfort VDSL would be the one i would be getting if i dont choose entertain |
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| 18:49.03 | Shirik | ........... |
| 18:49.10 | Shirik | ~wiki Alien abduction insurance |
| 18:49.38 | Shirik | it is surprisingly well referenced |
| 18:50.31 | nevcairiel | maybe some companys actually do offer that for all those nutjobs |
| 18:50.37 | Fisker | heck for proof of alien life insurance doesn't seem to be a big issue |
| 18:52.30 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Telekom-VDSL-mit-Datendrossel-fuer-Powersauger-755097.html |
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| 18:53.33 | nevcairiel | the referenced agb.pdf is a deadlink =( |
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| 18:54.01 | nevcairiel | guess that means i'm getting entertain :P |
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| 18:54.23 | zenzelezz | linodians, do you know if you can automatically set up DNS stuff to the Linode DNS servers à la Dyn-DNS? |
| 18:54.25 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Motherboard fail. Somehow it was seeing /dev/sdb3 as /dev/sda3, which is why the kernel file was not found. I re-did the install with the single drive and it was flawless |
| 18:54.36 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:54.51 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Why DynDNS? |
| 18:54.53 | nevcairiel | you know, you can just tab-complete in the grub shell to detect stuff |
| 18:54.58 | Shirik | I mean I use DynDNS and Linode's servers, but why? |
| 18:54.59 | Torhal | Yes |
| 18:55.07 | Torhal | However, GRUB's config was right |
| 18:55.21 | Torhal | The motherboard was somehow telling it that /dev/sda3 was /dev/sdb3\ |
| 18:55.26 | Shirik | oh you mean automatic slave, zenzelezz? |
| 18:55.38 | Shirik | they respond to notifies, if that's your question |
| 18:56.24 | zenzelezz | Shirik: basically I would like to set up one subdomain on my domain to point to my home computer; and the home computer get a new IP address every time I connect (in theory) |
| 18:56.46 | Shirik | ew |
| 18:56.54 | nevcairiel | that wont be trivial |
| 18:57.03 | Torhal | I actually mounted /dev/sdb3 on /mnt/gentoo/boot then did a df -h. Then I mounted /dev/sda3 as /mnt/gentoo/home2 and did a df -h and both mountpoints were showing the same sizes and usage |
| 18:57.07 | zenzelezz | if it's not, I'll just get a Dyn-DNS and point a CNAME or something at it |
| 18:57.14 | Shirik | that's what I would do |
| 18:57.29 | Torhal | That's when I decided to yank the other drive for a proper install |
| 18:57.32 | zenzelezz | all right, thanks for the input =) |
| 18:58.24 | Lopeppeppy | If Shirik would do it, it must be 1) reasonably obscure, 2) reasonably obscure, 3) reasonably geek-enabled. |
| 18:58.51 | zenzelezz | also, Linode staff are fast... I just read that they now have a London data center, so I opened a support ticket asking if I could have mine migrated... answered in minutes |
| 18:59.02 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Makes me wonder about my board... |
| 18:59.07 | Shirik | ow Lopeppeppy :( |
| 18:59.41 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: haha |
| 18:59.42 | Lopeppeppy | But. It wasn't supposed to be owie. |
| 18:59.53 | zenzelezz | Shirik is just afraid to admit he's a geek |
| 19:00.11 | Lopeppeppy | And the second one was supposed to be secure. And I think I need more than 12 hours of sleep. Aaargh. |
| 19:00.40 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 19:00.47 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:02.44 | Amarande | ... I thought this was #debian for a moment, the way you folks are talking the last few minutes :) |
| 19:02.58 | zenzelezz | we have our moments |
| 19:03.02 | Amarande | Torhal, why are you using gentoo instead of debian :look |
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| 19:21.39 | alestane | I think that's the most original reason I've heard yet for letting the tank die: "Dropped my keyboard." |
| 19:21.48 | mikma | http://tinyurl.com/yczpq7x |
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| 19:22.45 | Torhal | mikma: Nice NSFW warning :P |
| 19:22.56 | Torhal | Funny as hell, though |
| 19:23.11 | mikma | it's sfw, you can't see his balls |
| 19:23.27 | Torhal | Eh. |
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| 19:28.13 | Amarande | meh, people should be encouraged to have nsfw stuff at work |
| 19:28.16 | Amarande | buck the system! :) |
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| 19:30.42 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, the very reason I have NoScript installed. :) |
| 19:30.48 | alestane | Supposedly, workplaces that aren't as uptight about swearing are generally more productive. Correlation <> causation, though. |
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| 19:31.18 | Amarande | not to mention, one could predict that the next generations after now are going to be unusually normal, perhaps crushingly so :| |
| 19:31.49 | Amarande | since the economy practically gives the system, through employers, the ability to successfully eliminate any sort of rebellious impulse from American humanity, for the most part :| |
| 19:32.11 | Amarande | since now a small enough % of job apps get through to do it |
| 19:32.15 | mikma | http://www.google.com/ig <- build your own google-search! |
| 19:33.06 | Lunessa | Ahem - does anyone know of an easy to use, no-config, stand alone "copy stuff from chat" addon? |
| 19:33.28 | Amarande | hmm |
| 19:33.32 | Amarande | did prat let you do that? I can't remember now |
| 19:33.36 | Amarande | even though I used Prat for ages :| |
| 19:33.46 | Torhal | Amarande: It does indeed |
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| 19:34.02 | Cairenn | can check out this one, too: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15865-Stenographer.html |
| 19:34.18 | Lunessa | Note the requirement of "stand alone" |
| 19:34.26 | Lunessa | Thanks Cairenn. |
| 19:34.32 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 19:34.36 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 19:34.55 | alestane | As people are told not to put *anything* on Facebook for fear a potential employer might see it, our lives are transformed into one long resumé. |
| 19:35.11 | Torhal | Lunessa: Another for you - no idea how well it works: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10886-EasyCopy.html |
| 19:35.44 | nicoli_s | i have to hide all my facebook activites now that cairenn can stalk me there :P |
| 19:35.50 | Lunessa | Thanks Torhal. |
| 19:35.52 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 19:36.00 | Cairenn | baby, you only wish I stalked you |
| 19:36.05 | Lunessa | Stalking Cairenn is a primary Facebook activity for me. |
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| 19:36.10 | Torhal | nicoli_s: She has flying monkeys for that. |
| 19:36.21 | Amarande | alestane, do you think by 2050 we'll still be as diverse and awesome as we have been as a human race, or will we indeed be a gloomy monoculture thanks to the economic crisis of 2008-2010 and the need to please employers? :| |
| 19:36.24 | nicoli_s | i didnt say you did, just that now you can |
| 19:36.38 | Cairenn | true enough, you did |
| 19:36.38 | nicoli_s | but...also the reverse! |
| 19:36.50 | Cairenn | Lunessa: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11290-BasicChatMods.html |
| 19:37.02 | Adys | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2010-02-10-n33.html |
| 19:37.05 | Amarande | or was the ideal of human diversity an idiotic, naive notion that *leads* to many of the problems with humanity to begin with, and a monoculture is actually a better idea? |
| 19:37.19 | nicoli_s | what about a monocle? i want one |
| 19:37.33 | Amarande | Before the US, after all, there seemed rather little cultural variance within any given nation |
| 19:37.40 | Cairenn | Lunessa: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9507-CCopy.html |
| 19:37.42 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I saw that one last night, but it didn't suit my needs. I'm looking to supplement another chat addon. |
| 19:37.45 | alestane | Amarande: I think the increasing drive for personally rewarding lives and cultural diversity, as well as the continuing technology explosion, will offset it for the most part. |
| 19:37.59 | Amarande | And most people who tried to individually effect change got squelched rather harshly |
| 19:38.22 | Lopeppeppy | stalks Lunessa. |
| 19:38.26 | ZorbaTHut | if anything I'd see this resulting in a further bifurcation between the corporate world and the artistic world |
| 19:38.27 | Lunessa | is stalked. |
| 19:38.28 | Cairenn | Lunessa: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15901-IntricateChatMods.html |
| 19:38.43 | Cairenn | there, have I spammed you with enough links that you can hopefully find something to your liking? |
| 19:38.47 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: take a gander at that lens, no issue with weight there http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/02/500x_screen_shot_2010-02-09_at_5.38.51_pm.jpg |
| 19:38.50 | Amarande | Zorba: which is probably a good thing, given that I've seen the general meh that arises when corporate concerns determine art :S |
| 19:38.52 | ZorbaTHut | if the corporate world rejects anyone who has, you know, a personality, then you'll just end up with the two groups diverging entirely |
| 19:39.09 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: epic |
| 19:39.15 | KarlKFI|work | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5438-ChatEdit.html |
| 19:39.33 | Lunessa | huggles Cairenn and whispers naughty thoughts into her ear in thanks. |
| 19:39.38 | Adys | http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2010/02/if-your-product-is-great-it-doesnt-need.html |
| 19:39.41 | Cairenn | shivers & purrs |
| 19:39.42 | Lopeppeppy | needs thankings! |
| 19:39.50 | Amarande | Zorba: the question arises though, with the economy as it is |
| 19:39.54 | Lopeppeppy | And I did spell that correctly. :P |
| 19:40.03 | Cairenn | grin |
| 19:40.04 | Amarande | will that actually make for two awesome groups that complement each other in society with their own cultures |
| 19:40.21 | alestane | Cairenn: Thought you'd get a kick out of this one from yesterday: "Nicole wore just a belt and her pedometer and hopped on top of me last night. She "walked" 822 steps before we finished." |
| 19:40.22 | alestane | Response: "New charity walk idea!" |
| 19:40.22 | Amarande | or will that just mean the 'artist' group gets eliminated from society due to being unable to find a means of self-supporting, and the 'corporate' group becomes the ONLY future? |
| 19:40.26 | Fisker | i blow you up Amarande |
| 19:40.33 | Cairenn | alestane: ROFL |
| 19:40.40 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, yes. compare today's "terrible economy" to the economy of, say, a hundred years ago |
| 19:40.43 | ZorbaTHut | we are fucking goddamn rich today |
| 19:40.55 | Lunessa | gives Lopeppeppy a "Thank you" spanking. |
| 19:40.58 | Adys | No human-like artificial intelligence, but computers get a lot better at both high level and low level intelligence. At the high level, Google will release an amazing question answering service that can answer complex questions and is in many ways smarter than any human. Low-level, insect-like intelligence will become common enough that I'll be able to quickly build a Lego robot that uses computer vision to spot ants and physically squash them (and it wil |
| 19:40.58 | Adys | l be awesome). |
| 19:40.59 | ZorbaTHut | rolling in wealth and complaining that we can't buy as many toys as we could ten years ago |
| 19:41.02 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, walking programs. They say you should walk 10,000 steps a day for ideal health. |
| 19:41.11 | Amarande | and yet, you also have to be richer just to survive |
| 19:41.14 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, Lunessa is awesome. |
| 19:41.16 | Amarande | not to mention produce any reasonable quality of art |
| 19:41.17 | ZorbaTHut | no, you don't at all |
| 19:41.24 | ZorbaTHut | I know an artist who moved to middle-of-nowhere Mexico to grow his own food and make his own art |
| 19:41.30 | nicoli_s | id love to do that |
| 19:41.30 | Amarande | for instance, in many forms of art, you virtually have to have a computer, which means a certain level of health |
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| 19:41.33 | ZorbaTHut | art will find a way. it always has, and it always will. |
| 19:41.34 | Amarande | er, wealth |
| 19:42.32 | ZorbaTHut | a capable computer costs $500. I've got no-name webcomics friends pulling in six times that from pre-orders. if you're able to manage money and live frugally, you can pretty much make a living doing anything with a thousand fans. |
| 19:43.29 | Lunessa | I need to set up one of those "TXT the word ______ to #####" scams to make me some cash. |
| 19:43.34 | ZorbaTHut | it's also worth mentioning that there's a large space between "art" and "corporate" |
| 19:43.56 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, look at things like coffee shops, comic shops, anything retail-y or production-y that still caters to the artistic crowd |
| 19:44.00 | Amarande | heh Lunessa, did you see the failbook posting where someone ended up with a $1900 phone bill because of overtexting that thing for haiti? |
| 19:44.23 | alestane | Also, these days the corporate world depends on design, aesthetic and innovation to keep moving. Just look at Apple. |
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| 19:44.30 | Lunessa | Yeah, I saw that. I want to be the one collecting that $1900. 2-3 suckers a month is all I need. |
| 19:44.31 | Torhal | Braindeath is commonplace. |
| 19:44.45 | Amarande | alestane, maybe that's one of the reasons the economy is collapsing |
| 19:45.00 | Amarande | companies need innovation and original thoughts to keep moving |
| 19:45.13 | Amarande | but they keep putting the smack down on people who seem more individual than corporate brass is comfortable with |
| 19:45.33 | alestane | But the successful companies at the moment are ones like Apple and Google. |
| 19:45.48 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, nowhere near all the companies do that, though |
| 19:45.56 | Amarande | And instead keep the personality-less, 'they don't have any uncomfortable effects on our rep' fools |
| 19:46.06 | Amarande | and then they wonder why they can't come up with innovations fast enough to prosper :) |
| 19:46.09 | alestane | That won't be sustainable. |
| 19:47.18 | Lopeppeppy | Live long and prosper. |
| 19:48.09 | durcyn | Peace and long life. |
| 19:50.04 | Lopeppeppy | Cool runnings |
| 19:51.22 | nicoli_s | thats why you should only hire crazy talented people to work for you |
| 19:51.32 | nicoli_s | crazy and talented* |
| 19:51.46 | Lopeppeppy | I have the crazy |
| 19:52.09 | Ackis | I read that as I hate crazy |
| 19:52.11 | Ackis | and I was gonna say |
| 19:52.14 | Ackis | you ARE crazy |
| 19:52.18 | Ackis | but you beat me to it |
| 19:53.00 | alestane | I don't know if I would say "only"...steady, conventional people have their uses too. |
| 19:53.12 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 19:54.04 | nicoli_s | nope, those people need to go to crazy unrehabilitation camps |
| 19:54.36 | alestane | What I want to see is the diminishment of the "character judgment" approach to publicity, "Well, Ah thot this copmany made great stuff untill Ah saw thut vidEEoh of their CEO blowin' a donkee, now Ah en't gonna buy anything from them no moar!: |
| 19:55.44 | nicoli_s | ok this is the best line of a video game review evar: |
| 19:55.44 | nicoli_s | There are, however, a lot of bare female breasts. There is even a giant Cleopatra demon who spurts knife-wielding unbaptized children out of her nipples. |
| 19:56.29 | alestane | Dante's Inferno? |
| 19:56.33 | nicoli_s | lol yep |
| 19:57.00 | alestane | Dante Allighieri is no doubt spinning in his grave as we speak. |
| 19:59.13 | Amarande | Heh, they probably only spew out of her nipples because the proper orifice would get them an AO |
| 19:59.48 | Amarande | all those people who try to push the notion that video games need to be censored to protect children from growing up wrong need to be sent to rehab camps |
| 19:59.55 | Amarande | wait, scratch that. send them to work camps. |
| 20:00.07 | Amarande | make them do something like build a national subway system. :) |
| 20:00.20 | Fisker | nicoli_s man |
| 20:01.02 | nicoli_s | ? |
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| 20:01.56 | Amarande | however, as a general rule, I tend to be intensely unsympathetic to any sort of suggestion that creative works be censored to protect kids :P |
| 20:03.37 | Lopeppeppy | I think we should censor kids to protect artists! |
| 20:05.20 | Amarande | Kids are entirely too overprotected these days, this is thought to be one of the *problems* now with modern culture. |
| 20:06.38 | alestane | We're up to the second-to-last boss, and teh tank starts asking the warlock how much she spent buying her account...this can't end well. |
| 20:07.11 | Amarande | alestane: ICC25? |
| 20:07.31 | alestane | BFD |
| 20:07.33 | Amarande | just wait till Arthas is unlocked and you can finally actually do ICC heroic mode! |
| 20:08.06 | Amarande | (I'm fuzzy on how that works, is it based on blocks, or is it in fact impossible to run ICC10/25H until Arthas is available?) |
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| 20:13.47 | foxlit | Arthas *is* unlocked. |
| 20:14.03 | Lopeppeppy | Darn, who slipped him the handcuff keys? |
| 20:14.11 | foxlit | [And, if you're pro, this is the first week you can do icc heroics] |
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| 20:15.45 | Amarande | foxlit: in other words, I expect I'll probably see the first Arthas 25H takedown video on youtube by tomorrow |
| 20:15.46 | Amarande | heh |
| 20:16.09 | foxlit | Have thee no faith in the alacrity of Blizzard's QA? |
| 20:16.29 | foxlit | With this number of HMs, at least one of them must be bugged. |
| 20:16.32 | Amarande | actually, I'm saying I have pretty much ultimate faith in world class raid guilds |
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| 20:17.21 | Fisker | it's a shame though |
| 20:17.23 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/100210.html |
| 20:17.35 | Fisker | since last week there's been some kind of terrorists posting spoilers on the dalaran fountain |
| 20:17.43 | Fisker | it's a shame Blizzard doesn't warn about it |
| 20:17.44 | durcyn | you're a shame |
| 20:17.47 | Fisker | or do anything about it |
| 20:18.10 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure spoilers aren't a violation of TOS |
| 20:18.33 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/081123.html |
| 20:18.43 | Fisker | it was enough to get them to DMCA the movie because mmo-champion posted it |
| 20:18.45 | Fisker | baww |
| 20:20.03 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: if i manually install a .apk i put on the sdcard, where does it install it to? .. or how do i uninstall it? cant find it <.< |
| 20:20.20 | Fisker | it installs to teh internal rom |
| 20:20.22 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/081107.html |
| 20:20.34 | nevcairiel | Fisker: sure, but what folder? :P |
| 20:20.41 | Fisker | idk |
| 20:20.44 | nevcairiel | market apps go in /data/app |
| 20:20.49 | nevcairiel | but custom ones dont |
| 20:20.52 | Fisker | but you uninstall it by opening the .apk again |
| 20:21.49 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/081122.html |
| 20:22.33 | Torhal | Hrm. Somehow my Games dir was 50 gigs. |
| 20:22.54 | Lopeppeppy | WoW patches? |
| 20:23.30 | Fisker | slaps Torhal around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:23.34 | Torhal | Naw. WoW, WoW PTR, RoM, WC3, NES/N64/Super Nintendo ROMs... |
| 20:23.49 | Torhal | I wonder if my sno would miss those... |
| 20:23.52 | Torhal | son* |
| 20:23.57 | nevcairiel | 2x wow alone is about 34GB or so :P |
| 20:24.01 | Torhal | True. |
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| 20:24.09 | sylvanaar_atwork | the patches are in your public documents folder |
| 20:24.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | i hate that |
| 20:24.26 | KarlKFI | my wow dir is 20gb |
| 20:24.36 | Lopeppeppy | Perhaps on your computer. Everyone installs their games differently. |
| 20:24.55 | Torhal | Fisker's patches are on the seat of his pants. |
| 20:25.13 | Lopeppeppy | When we're lucky. |
| 20:25.14 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/090110.html |
| 20:25.15 | Adys | night |
| 20:25.17 | Torhal | True |
| 20:25.25 | woodyjlw | anyone know how to get wine to install wrath of the lich king from dvd under ubuntu? |
| 20:25.36 | Adys | woodyjlw: wowwiki.com/wine |
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| 20:31.10 | Fisker | oh god jnwhiteh |
| 20:31.16 | Fisker | they actually made the authenticator for android |
| 20:32.10 | nevcairiel | of course they did, was just a matter of time |
| 20:32.32 | nevcairiel | wonder if i should replace my old hw token with that one, then |
| 20:34.37 | Fisker | wondering that myself |
| 20:34.59 | Fisker | it warns about rooted devices btw :P |
| 20:35.46 | Ackis | what's a rooted device? |
| 20:35.49 | Ackis | unlocked? |
| 20:35.51 | Ackis | jailbroken? |
| 20:35.57 | Ackis | penis? |
| 20:36.10 | nevcairiel | i didnt read the warning |
| 20:36.36 | Fisker | yeah Ackis like jailbroken |
| 20:37.29 | nevcairiel | except easier to do |
| 20:37.54 | foxlit | ffs, world server. |
| 20:38.12 | foxlit | I can run through the Darnassus teleporter without actually getting ported, and half the NPCs don't appear. |
| 20:38.32 | Fisker | baw foxlit |
| 20:38.51 | Fisker | you mean "except google aren't huge raging homosexuals about it" |
| 20:38.52 | Fisker | :3 |
| 20:39.30 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, that's a borked world server, foxlit. |
| 20:39.36 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry, might as well log off. |
| 20:39.48 | foxlit | I relogged, it fixed itself. |
| 20:39.52 | nevcairiel | yeah they even allow root apps in the market |
| 20:40.27 | nevcairiel | why does the bma request root access anyway |
| 20:40.41 | foxlit | Hm, my item cache was wiped recently |
| 20:41.13 | foxlit | Which is interesting, since I don't recall a patch. Wonder if that's how they fixed lovely charm stacking |
| 20:41.34 | Amarande | lovely charm? |
| 20:41.37 | Amarande | oh right, it's almost valentine's day |
| 20:41.39 | Amarande | duh |
| 20:41.40 | Fisker | to tell you not to use root nevcairiel |
| 20:41.42 | Fisker | i guess |
| 20:41.59 | nevcairiel | rather annoying =P |
| 20:42.03 | Thrae | http://thingsthataredoingit.com/ <-- NSFW (duh) |
| 20:42.10 | Fisker | "no (remember)"? |
| 20:43.10 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:43.33 | nevcairiel | well, i mean the warning on every authenticator launch is annoying =P |
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| 20:44.42 | nevcairiel | hm how the hell do i replace the authenticator |
| 20:45.05 | nevcairiel | ah there |
| 20:45.07 | Fisker | detach the old, attach the new |
| 20:45.08 | Fisker | durr |
| 20:45.15 | nevcairiel | didnt find the detach page <.< |
| 20:46.19 | nevcairiel | its done! |
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| 20:48.59 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-13601.html - If you don't know this man, get to know them... STAT |
| 20:49.20 | Fisker | i could kill you nevcairiel |
| 20:49.51 | nevcairiel | anyone want a heavily used first edition authenticator hw token? |
| 20:51.47 | Fisker | i want a heavily used you nevcairiel |
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| 20:55.29 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 20:55.34 | Shirik | I will destroy you |
| 20:55.54 | Fisker | you will try |
| 20:55.59 | Fisker | and you will fail |
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| 20:56.13 | Fisker | can you understand mr. Shirik ? |
| 20:56.30 | Shirik | don't nobody understand the words coming out of your mouth |
| 20:57.15 | Thunder_Child | or out of his fingers |
| 20:57.20 | Fisker | ok del buono |
| 20:58.18 | Thunder_Child | grrr...the cleaning lady keeps fucking with my computer stuff damit |
| 20:59.03 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 20:59.17 | zenzelezz | changing your background to tubgirl? |
| 20:59.35 | nicoli_s | thunder_child, leave out a piece of fruit covered with some super spicy/bitter something on it |
| 20:59.56 | Thunder_Child | nicoli_s: this is a person, not an animal |
| 20:59.58 | Kraps | she puts my mouse up against the wall wtf |
| 21:00.28 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: i mean she keeps moving all my hardware around when cleaning. monitors, keyboards, mice, computers. |
| 21:00.30 | Thunder_Child | just iritating |
| 21:00.42 | nicoli_s | trip wire then? |
| 21:01.51 | Thunder_Child | no nicoli_s, i am not going to tripwire |
| 21:01.53 | Lopeppeppy | So ask her not to clean your desk. |
| 21:02.24 | Seerah | maybe his desk is part of the reason why he has a cleaning lady ;) |
| 21:02.28 | nicoli_s | well the only other real option is hidden floor hole with sharpened sticks |
| 21:02.56 | Kraps | nicoli_s: this is RL, not mario |
| 21:03.08 | Thunder_Child | and i live on the second floor |
| 21:03.26 | nicoli_s | are you saying there are no hidden floor holes with sharpened sticks? do you not remember 'nam? |
| 21:03.37 | Amarande | Thunder_Child, it could be worse |
| 21:03.44 | Amarande | did you see the FML where the guy's PS3 got washed by the maid? :) |
| 21:03.47 | Thunder_Child | it could always be worse |
| 21:04.42 | Thunder_Child | Seerah: 1 Lopeppeppy: 0 sad but true |
| 21:09.33 | sylvanaar_atwork | someone did a wow site using the stackoverflow beta http://epicadvice.com/ |
| 21:09.44 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah is cuter than I am, I agree. |
| 21:09.57 | Seerah | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 21:10.02 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 21:10.07 | Amarande | but Seerah is a guy, and you're a girl |
| 21:10.11 | Amarande | girls are automatically cuter, as a rule :) |
| 21:10.12 | Seerah | huh? |
| 21:10.17 | Lopeppeppy | What? |
| 21:10.22 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah am gurl. |
| 21:10.26 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy am gurl. |
| 21:10.32 | Amarande | or perhaps Ama's memory is epic fail |
| 21:10.33 | Amarande | heh |
| 21:10.33 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn am gurl. |
| 21:10.33 | Seerah | therefore equally cute |
| 21:10.43 | alestane | Amarande: I've seen them all together, trust me on this one. |
| 21:10.48 | Lopeppeppy | Count us. And don't forget again or we'll kickbanmutehate you! |
| 21:10.48 | alestane | All girls. |
| 21:11.08 | Lopeppeppy | There's even photo evidence. |
| 21:11.11 | Cairenn | indeed! |
| 21:11.12 | Amarande | Yeah, I knew Peppy and Cairenn are ladies, but for some reason I forgot about Seerah |
| 21:11.18 | Amarande | I'm probably confusing her with someone with a similar nick |
| 21:11.24 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooh, she will kick you for that. :) |
| 21:11.26 | Seerah | cries |
| 21:11.38 | Cairenn | huggles Seerah and glares at Amarande |
| 21:11.47 | Thunder_Child | pfft, these 3 are no 'ladies' |
| 21:11.52 | Cairenn | ! |
| 21:11.55 | Thunder_Child | women yes |
| 21:11.59 | A-KO | this snow is absolutely insane |
| 21:11.59 | Amarande | ooh T_C now you're in for it |
| 21:12.01 | Thunder_Child | ladies..well... |
| 21:12.21 | Thunder_Child | actions speak louder than words |
| 21:12.28 | Lopeppeppy | A-KO, where are you, so I kow if it's going to come back here? |
| 21:12.34 | Lopeppeppy | I'm in NY. |
| 21:12.54 | Ackis | Fisker is the cutest girl here imo |
| 21:14.02 | Lopeppeppy | Zing. |
| 21:14.25 | Ackis | haha |
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| 21:16.15 | Thunder_Child | new 10K rpm 600GB 2.5-in HDD. i am amused |
| 21:16.30 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 21:16.41 | Thunder_Child | you mean why am i ammused? |
| 21:17.03 | Thunder_Child | amused* |
| 21:17.03 | ZorbaTHut | can't wait for SSDs to get even cheaper |
| 21:17.11 | A-KO | I'm loving my SSD |
| 21:17.17 | A-KO | the x25m is awesome |
| 21:17.41 | Thunder_Child | i'd prefer to have liong life spans than faster R/W times |
| 21:18.08 | Thunder_Child | long* |
| 21:18.11 | Ackis | I wished I had a Super Star Destroyer (SSD) |
| 21:18.38 | Fisker | i can't Ackis |
| 21:19.29 | Amarande | don't worry T_C |
| 21:19.35 | Amarande | 2.5" are usually used in laptops |
| 21:19.50 | Amarande | so if the platter comes loose and comes flying at you, it will probably lodge in your lap and probably only cut off your organ |
| 21:19.57 | Amarande | you can still live a long and prosperous life without that, though :D |
| 21:20.13 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: what i was talking about is for enterprise solutions |
| 21:20.16 | Amarande | probably even more prosperous, since you'll never accidentally father any babies that you'll have to pay child support for. :) |
| 21:20.21 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5467447/notion-inks-adam-tablet-will-have-flash-output-at-1080p-and-have-battery-life-2x-longer-than-ipad?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo) |
| 21:20.27 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, SSDs have pretty dang long life spans, so that shouldn't be an issue :) |
| 21:20.33 | Thunder_Child | thats not a related link btw |
| 21:20.38 | Amarande | oh, you mean a long lifespan for the DRIVE |
| 21:20.40 | zenzelezz | I have an inherent distrust of HDDs spinning faster than 7200 RPM |
| 21:21.01 | nevcairiel | I don't distrust then, i usually just cant stand the high-pitch noise they produce |
| 21:21.07 | ZorbaTHut | man, that's a nice tablet |
| 21:21.09 | nevcairiel | a 15k SCSI disc is mighty annoying |
| 21:21.24 | Amarande | zenzelezz has visions someday of being the guy in http://www.projectaon.org/en/xhtml/lw/04tcod/ill4.htm |
| 21:21.29 | Amarande | except that's a hard disk platter in his chest |
| 21:21.38 | ZorbaTHut | I want my free android phone already, I wanna get started writing stuff for it :P |
| 21:21.58 | zenzelezz | Amarande: can't say I do, I don't tend to hold my HDDs in front of me |
| 21:22.03 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut: http://gizmodo.com/5453498/giz-explains-ssds-and-why-you-wish-you-had-one |
| 21:22.18 | Amarande | the one thing I do consistently wonder about SSDs though |
| 21:22.23 | zenzelezz | I wonder why EA decided that making Dead Space 2 run on PCs was not worth it |
| 21:22.25 | Amarande | is whether they are indeed an effective solution to dalalag |
| 21:22.36 | nevcairiel | i doubt it |
| 21:23.01 | Amarande | zenzelezz: because they're EA, that should say enough :P |
| 21:23.04 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, yeah, I know why they're awesome :) |
| 21:23.11 | zenzelezz | Amarande: truth |
| 21:23.15 | Amarande | has disliked EA for more than ten years now |
| 21:23.17 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut: i mean 'the bad stuff' section |
| 21:23.21 | olafski | do blood DKs have a use for arp? or is it better to just gem strength :< |
| 21:23.23 | Amarande | I'm an Ultima Dragon greybeard, I have an obligation to hate on EA |
| 21:23.30 | ZorbaTHut | the wearing-out is a non-problem |
| 21:23.45 | ZorbaTHut | actually calculating the expected lifespan gives you a number well over a decade |
| 21:24.07 | ZorbaTHut | on top of that it's a manageable gradual failure, not a "hey your drive just stopped working". rotary discs wish they had that. |
| 21:24.32 | ZorbaTHut | the performance issue was a problem a year or two ago. it's far less of a problem now, unless you buy a crappy drive, in which case, well, hey, you just bought a crappy drive, gj |
| 21:25.17 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: what? |
| 21:25.35 | ZorbaTHut | if you're using a current-generation OS, the only real downside to SSDs at this point is that they're rather pricey. |
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| 21:26.09 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: That's a guy in Ohio, filling a kiddie pool with BEER on a weekday. Why don't you know this man yet? |
| 21:26.48 | Arrowmaster | thats ohio? |
| 21:26.58 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 21:27.05 | Amarande | wonders how long before commercial software vendors stop making games for PC entirely |
| 21:27.09 | Amarande | except of course for Blizzard |
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| 21:27.13 | Amarande | because well, they're Blizzard |
| 21:27.14 | Lunessa | At least that's what the mouseover for the area code says |
| 21:27.17 | Ackis | I want WoW on my xbox |
| 21:27.25 | Arrowmaster | its nowhere near me then |
| 21:27.25 | KarlKFI | *blink* |
| 21:27.25 | Amarande | dude, Ackis, no you don't |
| 21:27.32 | Arrowmaster | everything here is 937 and 513 |
| 21:27.58 | Amarande | WoW on xbox would mean you'd have to stay out in places like desolace if you didn't want to constantly hear 13 year olds swearing into their mics |
| 21:27.59 | Arrowmaster | which is southwest |
| 21:28.01 | Lunessa | Curses. |
| 21:28.11 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, the indie scene will stay heavily on PC, and commercial software vendors will try to tap into that |
| 21:28.18 | Ackis | Amarande: yeah but you can make said 13 year olds cry |
| 21:28.54 | olafski | me too ackis! |
| 21:29.13 | Ackis | would love to sit on his couch, naked playing wow |
| 21:29.19 | olafski | :) |
| 21:29.24 | olafski | I just do that on my desk chari |
| 21:29.26 | olafski | chair* :( |
| 21:29.29 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 21:29.39 | olafski | before I hit the showers I check my auctions |
| 21:29.46 | zenzelezz | I thought everyone played WoW naked? |
| 21:29.49 | KarlKFI | i actually have a couch behind my desk chair... |
| 21:29.51 | Amarande | Ackis: and being naughty with your gf at the same time? :) |
| 21:29.54 | Amarande | oh wait, that might be a bad idea |
| 21:29.56 | Ackis | my chair makes my ass hurt after 30-45 minutes |
| 21:30.04 | olafski | time for a new chair |
| 21:30.11 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 21:30.12 | Amarande | that's not something to encourage, next thing you wonder why everyone in your raid is randomly bumbling into the fire |
| 21:30.26 | Amarande | and realize that you're the only one actually paying attention to the raid instead of doing your gf on the chair while raiding LOL |
| 21:30.31 | Ackis | my fiancee has already wiped a few raids |
| 21:30.44 | Amarande | Ackis, remind me not to let you tank or heal |
| 21:31.15 | Amarande | I recommend mage, since it's simple enough that you can probably use one of those drinking bird gag toys to dps for you |
| 21:32.00 | zenzelezz | no can do... he's already wearing the gag |
| 21:32.10 | Ackis | Amarande: I was a holy priest |
| 21:32.18 | Ackis | (no longer since wow is the devil) |
| 21:32.23 | Shirik | ok so I just finished putting together a SysML model per one of my teammates' recommendations. After looking at the completed model, I have determined he has just told me to build a car's cruise control which takes 5 seconds to respond to any demand. |
| 21:32.46 | Shirik | maybe suitable for toyota I guess |
| 21:32.54 | Amarande | heh |
| 21:33.16 | Amarande | c'mon, everyone knows driving is a turn-based thing, 5 second response is plenty |
| 21:34.41 | alestane | Shirik: Demands need to be addressed within at most 5 seconds, or should not be completed until at least 5 seconds have passed? |
| 21:35.32 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 21:42.43 | Shadowed | Shirik: that can be fixed later, who uses cruise control! |
| 21:47.00 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: cameras move so fast, i think the Rebel T2i is already better than yours :( |
| 21:47.18 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 21:51.24 | Thunder_Child | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249168/Like-shooting-fish-barrel-How-photographer-coaxed-kingfisher-pose-camera.html |
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| 22:00.10 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: it's not important if it's better or not |
| 22:00.19 | Shirik | whati's important is is it good enough for my needs, which I say a definite "yes" |
| 22:00.23 | Thunder_Child | lies Shirik, lies |
| 22:00.28 | Shirik | besides |
| 22:00.30 | Shirik | cameras are cheap |
| 22:00.46 | Shirik | lenses are where the money is |
| 22:01.19 | Thunder_Child | thats because you can keep the lenses while upgrading the body |
| 22:01.40 | Shirik | hence "cameras are cheap" |
| 22:01.58 | Shirik | but I have to resolve my lens situation before I can get a new camera |
| 22:02.24 | Shirik | can'twait for april |
| 22:02.41 | Thunder_Child | you really want to drop 4K on a lense? |
| 22:02.46 | Thunder_Child | lens* |
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| 22:04.54 | Lunessa | You know what would make today more tolerable? |
| 22:04.56 | Lunessa | Vodka. |
| 22:05.43 | Thunder_Child | with? |
| 22:06.20 | Lunessa | Just vodka |
| 22:06.34 | Lunessa | Like, Grey Goose, in a glass. Maybe over ice. |
| 22:06.59 | Thunder_Child | get some paint thinner and save yourself the $$, it tastes the same |
| 22:07.10 | Lunessa | ... Heathen. |
| 22:07.35 | Thunder_Child | more or less |
| 22:08.47 | Thunder_Child | so a 9 year old has these certs "MCP, MCDST, MCSA and MCSE" |
| 22:09.10 | Thunder_Child | i'm midly impressed. |
| 22:09.35 | Thunder_Child | however if he can get a CCIE cert before 15, then i will be very impressed. |
| 22:10.19 | Lunessa | I still wouldn't hire him. |
| 22:10.34 | alestane | "But how many cats are Microsoft Certified Systems Engineers?" |
| 22:10.35 | alestane | "He's not an MCSE yet! He failed TCP/IP! He's not even bipedal!" |
| 22:11.11 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: you wouldnt have to, he would have a /lot/ of offers |
| 22:11.15 | A-KO | MCSE is certianly not as easy of a task as some people seem to make it out to be |
| 22:11.20 | A-KO | :P |
| 22:11.25 | A-KO | especially to truly understand the material |
| 22:11.58 | Amarande | A-KO: truly understanding Microsoft material that well tends to cause madness though |
| 22:11.59 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: There are very few work environments in which nap time and Osh-Kosh attire are acceptable. |
| 22:12.04 | Fisker | i disagree btw |
| 22:12.06 | A-KO | not really Amarande |
| 22:12.12 | Fisker | they say WoW has 11.5 million subscribers |
| 22:12.14 | Fisker | = lies |
| 22:12.24 | durcyn | i'd believe 11.5 million active accounts |
| 22:12.35 | Amarande | half of windows is probably |
| 22:12.38 | Fisker | naw durcyn |
| 22:12.41 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect it's gone down since then |
| 22:12.45 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: when you have a CCIE it is. that has something along the lines of a 90% failure rate |
| 22:12.57 | Amarande | "this feature causes madness and crashes and is in general fail. however, it's been there since DOS, and it's far too late to change it now because we'd break the whole computer paradigm so you'll have to live with it." |
| 22:12.58 | durcyn | i've had as many as 3 accounts going at a time, and i'm not as crazy as some |
| 22:12.59 | Fisker | sc 2 beta this month |
| 22:13.01 | Fisker | yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay |
| 22:13.05 | A-KO | Amarande: Microsoft did a lot of things right and a lot of things are accounted for that you don't have to consider. Things like the inner workings of DNS, Kerberos, and authentication and all of that other jazz. You spend more time on Windows designing how it's going to lay out structurally than you do on the individual software pieces. |
| 22:13.05 | ZorbaTHut | largely because they announced that number in December 2008, and they haven't announced anything since |
| 22:13.24 | A-KO | and that's a good thing |
| 22:13.31 | A-KO | though, it never hurts to understand how those pieces work together :P |
| 22:13.40 | Amarande | A-KO: and what is your thought on Linux, by comparison? |
| 22:13.40 | Fisker | Innovative new Value-added services and community features for WoW |
| 22:13.42 | Fisker | DUN |
| 22:13.44 | Fisker | DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN |
| 22:14.01 | Amarande | wow |
| 22:14.05 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Good for him, really. I still wouldn't give him a job. |
| 22:14.09 | Amarande | I've never seen the word linux scare someone like that |
| 22:14.22 | Lunessa | And I suspect lots of other employers will feel the same. |
| 22:14.25 | Fisker | we're not even quarters away! |
| 22:14.48 | durcyn | i've met more than a few CCIEs that are effectively useless at anything other than talking about cisco equipment |
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| 22:15.42 | durcyn | two years on contract with cisco IT gives a very interesting perspective on their users |
| 22:15.45 | Amarande | durcyn: "And ... you insert Cthulhu's tentacle here, and start the Hastur processor, which in addition to running our network stably helps Sarah Palin to become president, yeah, we know, but somehow we couldn't avoid the feature ... probably because half our processing is outsourced to Mi-Go via this wire here ..." |
| 22:15.46 | A-KO | power outage ftw |
| 22:16.09 | Amarande | A-KO: and what is your thought on Linux, by comparison? |
| 22:16.28 | A-KO | Amarande: Generally speaking, I use whatever's good for the job at hand. I use linux when it's appropriate, and maintain some high profile sites all runnign on various linux distros (I like to branch out and test each one), but there are some very core things you have to manage in linux that you just don't have to in Windows. |
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| 22:16.41 | A-KO | but there are things that Microsoft just did right in comparison |
| 22:16.47 | A-KO | DNS in AD is one of them |
| 22:16.50 | durcyn | Amarande: it's not even that it's bullshit, it's just such a narrow speciality that most CCIEs don't know jack shit about things outside their focus |
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| 22:16.59 | durcyn | watching a Voice CCIE try to navigate an RHEL box was painful |
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| 22:17.06 | Amarande | A-KO: the downside is the loss of longevity in your work. :| |
| 22:17.10 | cralor | How do I fix the SVN where one file is at a higher revision than the rest? |
| 22:17.29 | Amarande | If you depend that heavily on Windows base architecture, you face your wonderful magnum opus being magnum nonoperational once Windows gets upgraded enough. |
| 22:17.34 | A-KO | Amarande: not really, because you spend more time actually designing infrastructure than you do messing with the softawre pieces. |
| 22:17.36 | Amarande | durcyn: well, it's red hat, what do you expect? :) |
| 22:17.43 | A-KO | I've broken RHEL5's installer |
| 22:17.45 | Shirik | "Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." - Dijkstra |
| 22:17.45 | A-KO | I laughed |
| 22:17.47 | A-KO | and then fixed it |
| 22:17.56 | Amarande | Debian FTW |
| 22:18.16 | durcyn | Amarande: yeah, well, it's what they built their internal distribution around, which is what call managers run on. it's scary. |
| 22:18.19 | cralor | Anyone know what feature does this? |
| 22:19.01 | A-KO | When it asked to join the RHN, we had clicked forward that we signed up, but we hadn't at the time, so just clicked back, and then chose to skip and continue. When we went to do it later, it failed. The installer hadn't created the files/symlinks needed for the RHN software to check the updates. |
| 22:19.03 | A-KO | errors abound |
| 22:19.19 | A-KO | so I found the cert file it wanted, symlinked it, all was dandy :P but still something that shouldn't happen during the installer IMO. |
| 22:19.25 | Amarande | RHN? |
| 22:19.29 | A-KO | Redhat Network |
| 22:19.39 | Amarande | You mean to get updates for Red Hat, you have to SIGN UP for something? |
| 22:19.40 | Amarande | that's silly. |
| 22:19.45 | A-KO | that's how it works |
| 22:19.45 | Amarande | apt-get update forever :) |
| 22:19.51 | durcyn | you can't use up2date without paying for a contract |
| 22:20.01 | A-KO | when you're an enterprise business and you need "CYA" |
| 22:20.02 | Amarande | that's lame |
| 22:20.02 | durcyn | which is why CentOS exists |
| 22:20.04 | A-KO | you use RHEL |
| 22:20.22 | durcyn | for when you absolutely, positively, have to have a uselss RPM-based distribution |
| 22:20.26 | durcyn | +e |
| 22:20.37 | Amarande | though I've noticed businesses seem to frequently value the support contract far more than the actual thing that's being supported :P |
| 22:20.48 | Fisker | Ben Kuchera: Pet store will be widened. New pets announced for purchase in the coming weeks. |
| 22:20.50 | Fisker | ;( |
| 22:20.52 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 22:20.54 | Fisker | god help us all |
| 22:20.57 | A-KO | granted |
| 22:20.59 | Amarande | like how they invest more time into marketing product than they do into, say, designing the product. heh |
| 22:21.01 | Fisker | we're suckers for pets |
| 22:21.28 | durcyn | Amarande: it's the congruence of laziness and liability |
| 22:22.01 | Amarande | so basically, the support contract is more of an insurance policy than actual support in the way that you or I would think of it? |
| 22:22.12 | Ackis | Fisker: I don't play wow any longer |
| 22:22.26 | Fisker | you will Ackis |
| 22:22.28 | Fisker | and you will enjoy it |
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| 22:23.12 | Ackis | no I won't |
| 22:23.13 | Amarande | so basically the guy who uses RHEL ends up as a Fortune 500 CEO and the guy who uses Debian ends up saying "WILL CODE FOR FOOD" on a street corner somewhere because he had to give everything he owned to pay off customers when something failed. :) |
| 22:23.15 | Ackis | I'm getting married |
| 22:23.16 | Ackis | then kids |
| 22:23.20 | Ackis | that means no wow time |
| 22:24.02 | Lunessa | ... LIES! SLANDER |
| 22:24.11 | Amarande | there seems a pretty booming industry in paying people to take a fall for you. |
| 22:24.21 | Amarande | ahh, back in the day they called that organized crime |
| 22:24.24 | Amarande | now they call it insurance. heh |
| 22:24.32 | foxlit | Hm, now where can I grind Paragon points? |
| 22:24.48 | Amarande | Paragon points? |
| 22:24.50 | foxlit | Ocassional unavailability of sensible conversation options hurts :/ |
| 22:27.36 | Amarande | heh |
| 22:27.38 | A-KO | Amarande: correct, they use it as more insurance than anything. |
| 22:27.42 | Amarande | and I got a fortune cookie once that says I have great business sense |
| 22:27.45 | A-KO | but honestly |
| 22:27.49 | A-KO | I do love how MS handled Server 2008 |
| 22:27.54 | Amarande | wonders if I would actually do well in business, or if I would be holding that WILL CODE FOR FOOD sign |
| 22:27.58 | A-KO | you can aggregate all the event log history into one machine in a domain |
| 22:28.16 | A-KO | so you can have as many server 2008 machines as you want in the network and check the event log for all of them in one place |
| 22:28.18 | A-KO | rather nice |
| 22:28.21 | Kaelten | Amarande: I don't buy the whole RHEL == good business arguement personally. |
| 22:28.51 | A-KO | Kaelten: businesses use it for the sake of it has the huge support contract behind it. However, that's generally only large enterprise businesses. Smaller firms where the IT people have more say, tend to use something different. |
| 22:29.06 | Kaelten | aye, we use Ubuntu |
| 22:29.33 | A-KO | I think ti's funny that my company hired a DBA to install RHEL on a server, only to ask me to go back and clean it up |
| 22:29.37 | A-KO | because he was a failure |
| 22:29.42 | Amarande | Yeah, I was thinking if there's a reason to be deduced there for why some businesses succeed and become large enterprises, and others epicfail or only stay small |
| 22:29.55 | A-KO | trust me |
| 22:30.09 | A-KO | choice in linux distribution or even OS at all is not the primary reason why businesses fall :P |
| 22:30.16 | Amarande | unless that's just luck, like finding an epic world drop |
| 22:30.56 | A-KO | so I've been using dropbox to keep my WTF folder synced between machines |
| 22:30.57 | A-KO | it's rather nice |
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| 22:36.19 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Birthday Mrs. Cogwheel |
| 22:36.46 | Kaelten | nope |
| 22:36.55 | Amarande | RSWD: No, you cannot 'haz' cheezburger. Once you go pass remedial English and ask correctly, then you can have a cheeseburger. :) |
| 22:36.55 | RSWD | :( |
| 22:36.56 | Kaelten | how about a cheezwizburger? |
| 22:37.34 | Thunder_Child | thats sounds very unapitizing |
| 22:38.42 | RSWD | LULZ. |
| 22:38.54 | RSWD | TA just tried to chew me out for explaining something to someone beside me. |
| 22:39.27 | RSWD | She's like "If no one wants to pay attention, I'm just going to assume that everyone knows everything." |
| 22:39.36 | RSWD | Then I pointed out to her that no one was paying attention anyway. |
| 22:39.44 | RSWD | And that people here definitely didn't know wtf was going on. |
| 22:39.55 | Kaelten | heh |
| 22:40.09 | RSWD | She just sort of stopped after that |
| 22:40.14 | RSWD | Java TAs that don't know Java. |
| 22:40.58 | RSWD | FAIL. |
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| 22:47.41 | cog|work | Fisker: write that func-y software, white boy! |
| 22:48.31 | nicoli_s | wow thats cheesy |
| 22:48.48 | cog|work | even cheesier was the name i chose for my self in HS french class |
| 22:48.51 | cog|work | Fromage |
| 22:48.58 | cog|work | ~rimshot |
| 22:48.59 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 22:49.06 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 22:49.19 | nicoli_s | i cant hear rimshot without thinking rimjob |
| 22:51.10 | cog|work | hmmm... |
| 22:51.15 | cog|work | feels a full-on parody coming... |
| 22:51.21 | cog|work | Once I was an oo coder |
| 22:51.57 | cog|work | is stuck |
| 22:52.23 | cog|work | (was thinking along the lines of Functional > OO) |
| 22:52.27 | Thunder_Child | obviously cog|work felt wrong |
| 22:52.34 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: idd |
| 22:53.08 | RSWD | hehe |
| 22:53.20 | cog|work | was off to a good start though! |
| 22:53.24 | cog|work | -_- |
| 23:01.54 | RSWD | ~failrik |
| 23:01.55 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 23:02.18 | Shirik | wat u wan |
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| 23:05.48 | RSWD | Nothing, just felt like stating the obvious. |
| 23:06.16 | Fisker | ~debug.failrik() |
| 23:06.17 | purl | error("FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!"); |
| 23:06.26 | RSWD | lulz. |
| 23:06.40 | RSWD | Who maintains purl, anyway? |
| 23:06.50 | Fisker | the cancers of this world |
| 23:07.45 | zenzelezz | <nicoli_s> i cant hear rimshot without thinking rimjob <-- you hear what you want to hear |
| 23:07.47 | durcyn | tim rikers, duh |
| 23:08.05 | RSWD | durcyn: Oh, thought it was will rikers for a sceond. |
| 23:08.06 | RSWD | second* |
| 23:08.08 | nicoli_s | well we actually had this conversation at work a few hours ago and everyone else agreed |
| 23:08.10 | RSWD | ~rimshot |
| 23:08.11 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 23:08.20 | zenzelezz | it's Vortex Rikers |
| 23:08.25 | durcyn | RSWD: i've been playing too much STO, so i know what you mean |
| 23:12.44 | Shirik | fiskfail |
| 23:12.50 | Shirik | failsker? |
| 23:19.02 | WobWork | =O |
| 23:19.03 | WobWork | http://gizmodo.com/5468670/google-wants-to-test-gigabit-fiber-internet-for-up-to-500000-people |
| 23:19.19 | WobWork | is there -anything- they won't try to take over? |
| 23:19.52 | Kraps | RSWD: y r u so swicht? |
| 23:20.09 | Shadowed | WobWork: Candy |
| 23:20.29 | Kraps | get in the google van |
| 23:20.59 | Arrowmaster | i for one welcome our new 1gbps fibre providing overlords |
| 23:21.33 | durcyn | i for one think you should kill yourself for rehashing a decades-old slashdot meme |
| 23:21.54 | durcyn | anyway, good for google, i hope they scare existing ISPs into actually competing |
| 23:21.55 | Arrowmaster | does google need anybody at a rival company killed? ill do it for 1gbps fibre |
| 23:22.30 | WobWork | Shadowed: CandyGoo(gle) |
| 23:22.38 | Shadowed | ew goo candy |
| 23:22.41 | Shadowed | chocolate best candy |
| 23:22.43 | durcyn | i like how time warner sells 30/10 packages for $30 in areas where FiOS exists, but around here where the only competition is AT&T it's twice that for 15/2 |
| 23:22.56 | WobWork | also |
| 23:22.59 | WobWork | fuck this |
| 23:23.02 | Shadowed | and yea, 1GBPS fibre? |
| 23:23.03 | WobWork | they should release this in Australia |
| 23:23.04 | Shadowed | yes please |
| 23:23.08 | WobWork | where we -need- the speed |
| 23:23.11 | Shadowed | you Australians cant appreciate the internet WobWork |
| 23:23.20 | Shadowed | with all your illegal porn and video games |
| 23:23.43 | durcyn | er, your bottleneck is kind of the underwater cables, no? |
| 23:23.45 | WobWork | Shadowed: yeh? Who appreciates a full course meal? Someone who eats four meals a day, or someone who only gets gruel? =P |
| 23:23.50 | Kraps | Shadowed: but their accents are the best in the world, no doubt |
| 23:23.55 | Shadowed | true Kraps |
| 23:24.28 | WobWork | Google should totally release that here |
| 23:24.36 | WobWork | and have all their technicians being small breasted women |
| 23:24.38 | Kraps | followed by southern USers |
| 23:24.39 | Shadowed | WobWork: What if the person who eats gruel just eats it without tasting, while the person who eats four meals a day and enjoys what he eats! |
| 23:25.02 | WobWork | ah, but we're talking about appreciating the change =P |
| 23:25.10 | RSWD | Kraps: What? |
| 23:25.18 | Shadowed | I'm just being a jerk WobWork |
| 23:25.21 | WobWork | You're talking about getting a car that goes 10mph faster =P |
| 23:25.22 | Shadowed | so! |
| 23:25.28 | Arrowmaster | WobWork: big getting boring in au? |
| 23:25.30 | WobWork | while we're in gokarts =( |
| 23:25.38 | Kraps | RSWD: DWSR |
| 23:25.42 | durcyn | more like 985mph faster, ahem. |
| 23:25.46 | WobWork | tootoots |
| 23:25.58 | WobWork | durcyn: it's all relative =P |
| 23:26.05 | WobWork | you're already 985mph faster than us =P |
| 23:26.19 | durcyn | psh |
| 23:26.32 | Arrowmaster | ive only driven at 125mph, but 135mph would be an awesome rush |
| 23:26.32 | RSWD | Kraps: Because my BNC has my reg nick. |
| 23:26.39 | durcyn | you're obviously not worth the investment of additional transatlantic cabling |
| 23:26.44 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: it is! |
| 23:26.49 | durcyn | until the police notice you |
| 23:27.08 | RSWD | Arrowmaster: 125mph? |
| 23:27.09 | RSWD | wtf? |
| 23:27.32 | Arrowmaster | if theyre in one of their seized from a drug raid SUV's even if they notice me they cant do shit |
| 23:28.14 | RSWD | Except write down your license plate #. |
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| 23:28.28 | durcyn | APD is starting to buy dodge chargers now |
| 23:28.32 | Arrowmaster | one of the township departments just outside the city doesnt have a single police car, they are all SUVs |
| 23:28.33 | durcyn | can't really get away from those in my stock camry |
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| 23:28.55 | RSWD | durcyn: The italian police use Ferraris. |
| 23:29.02 | RSWD | Pretty legit. German police use BMWs. |
| 23:29.12 | RSWD | For their HSP vehicles, anyway. |
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| 23:31.01 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: have you seen what i did to a camry? |
| 23:31.38 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster: are you one of those crazy people who are going to die in 3 years in some sort of amazing car accident |
| 23:31.51 | Arrowmaster | i wasnt driving the camry |
| 23:31.54 | Arrowmaster | i hit it |
| 23:32.00 | Arrowmaster | it was the camry's fault |
| 23:32.03 | RSWD | lulz. |
| 23:32.05 | *** join/#wowuidev drexore (~drexore@redeye.xs4all.nl) |
| 23:32.19 | RSWD | This is when we find out that "camry" is Arrowmaster's new slang for hispanics. |
| 23:32.33 | Arrowmaster | it just jumped across the median and into my lane |
| 23:33.00 | RSWD | Degrading people to objects? Shame on you Arrowmaster. |
| 23:33.04 | RSWD | This isn't Java. |
| 23:33.09 | Arrowmaster | http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=141811&id=573016444&l=2edc7edd3d |
| 23:33.18 | Arrowmaster | seriously look at the drivers side of the black camry |
| 23:33.23 | Arrowmaster | then look at the front of my car |
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| 23:33.38 | RSWD | Your car is the red one? |
| 23:33.41 | RSWD | That's fucking lulzy. |
| 23:33.47 | Arrowmaster | copper |
| 23:33.51 | RSWD | I think we call that wtfpwned. |
| 23:33.54 | RSWD | ~pwned |
| 23:33.55 | purl | from memory, pwned is like owned, but better. |
| 23:33.58 | Shadowed | Is your car a tank |
| 23:34.18 | RSWD | no. |
| 23:34.21 | RSWD | Tanks are is car. |
| 23:34.29 | Arrowmaster | well i would make a comment about the unique unibody design of that series |
| 23:34.49 | Arrowmaster | http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=141802&id=573016444&l=cd5b2a6899 |
| 23:34.55 | Arrowmaster | but thats the same series of car |
| 23:34.57 | RSWD | Arrowmaster: Well, I would make a comment about the unique unibody design of your mom. |
| 23:35.49 | RSWD | lulz. |
| 23:35.57 | Arrowmaster | apparently the picking order goes camry < saturn sl ? saturn sc2 < tree |
| 23:35.59 | RSWD | That car look like it just wanted to give the tree a BIG HUG |
| 23:36.04 | RSWD | ~squee |
| 23:36.14 | RSWD | purl, squee is so cute. |
| 23:36.15 | purl | RSWD: okay |
| 23:36.29 | RSWD | fail purl, fail. |
| 23:36.46 | Arrowmaster | purl, no, squee is <REPLY> so cute! |
| 23:36.46 | purl | Arrowmaster: okay |
| 23:36.51 | Arrowmaster | ~squee |
| 23:36.52 | purl | so cute! |
| 23:37.32 | Kraps | why are there males sqeeing in here? |
| 23:38.16 | Arrowmaster | fear teh cute ones |
| 23:38.22 | Arrowmaster | for they are my weakness |
| 23:38.23 | Fisker | rages |
| 23:38.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Shishire (~emperorsh@c-76-19-44-182.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 23:39.05 | Shishire | http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb110/wmerkens/WoWScrnShot_110509_084556.jpg The quest tracker, on the left here... what is it? |
| 23:41.53 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: i have the rest of the day free if you are interested |
| 23:42.32 | Fisker | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1928396 <-lol wtf |
| 23:43.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (~callahan@74-141-240-27.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 23:43.38 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: could be tomquest2 |
| 23:44.04 | Thunder_Child | s/Shirik/Shishire/ |
| 23:44.16 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12619-tomQuest2.html |
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| 23:45.32 | Shishire | Thunder_Child: thanks. Even if that's not it, it fits my needs, or seems to. |
| 23:47.20 | Cloudwolf | Does any one know the location of the blizzard store north america the ware house form which they ship. |
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