| 00:00.12 | Fisker | or "Australian" whatever way you want to put it |
| 00:00.15 | Dagmar | I don't _care_ that she's Australian |
| 00:00.35 | Dagmar | I don't much care what country anyone's from, but her accent's gone kinda mutt |
| 00:00.47 | WobWork | Mine does that =\ |
| 00:00.54 | WobWork | after exposure to different accents |
| 00:00.54 | Dagmar | It makes her dialogue in the game sound weird at times |
| 00:01.19 | Dagmar | One moment she sounds like she's from L.A., then the next with those weird A's |
| 00:01.40 | WobWork | pft, they're not weird =) |
| 00:01.45 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 00:01.59 | Dagmar | Anyway, Jack is about two or three times hotter, for some bizarre reason. |
| 00:02.24 | WobWork | Jack? |
| 00:02.34 | Dagmar | One of the characters in the game. |
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| 00:03.20 | Dagmar | Half naked, covered (and I mean *covered*) in tattoos, major biotic skills, pathologically violent and just generally batshit crazy dangerous |
| 00:04.29 | Dagmar | Maybe they threw her in to appeal to the "guys who have had to have restraining orders put on their exes" group |
| 00:04.40 | Fisker | Tali is hot! |
| 00:04.49 | Dagmar | You can't even *see* Tali |
| 00:04.55 | Dagmar | She's always got that suit on |
| 00:05.00 | Fisker | ^^ :P |
| 00:05.09 | Dagmar | ...and clearly those people have some issue with germs. |
| 00:05.09 | Fisker | Apparently if you romance her she drops the helmet |
| 00:05.13 | Fisker | but you can't see her :( |
| 00:05.53 | Lunessa | I don't even need to buy the game. You guys will tell me everything (whether I want you to or not) anyway. |
| 00:05.58 | Dagmar | I'm going to have to install something to get screenshots |
| 00:06.08 | cogwheel | QQ "Someone related to me who won't be named just announced that she microwaved an omaha steak in order to cook it... I am offended... apparently "it wasn't good"" |
| 00:06.29 | Dagmar | There was a bit where probably 1/3 of the screen was Miranda's leather-clad butt, and I just had no idea what the hell I was responding to in the dialog all of a sudden |
| 00:06.35 | Dagmar | I wanted to add a new option to the list |
| 00:06.48 | Lunessa | cogwheel: She must die. |
| 00:07.05 | Dagmar | cogwheel: Get her some fish for tomorrow |
| 00:07.10 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 00:07.20 | sylvanaar | was it still in the plastic |
| 00:08.43 | cogwheel | my last steak: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2695717&l=c24d90b45d&id=563064469 |
| 00:09.46 | cogwheel | damnit now i want steak |
| 00:11.46 | Lunessa | Me too. |
| 00:11.51 | Lunessa | Thanks. |
| 00:12.08 | Lunessa | I'm thinking that picture is a 50 DKP minus! |
| 00:12.14 | cogwheel | XD |
| 00:13.31 | Dagmar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muvz6OnY4O8 |
| 00:14.44 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel: why did you take a picture of your steak, let alone post in on facebook? |
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| 00:15.08 | cogwheel | because some of my friends are foodies |
| 00:15.17 | Dagmar | I think a better question would be why didn't he Twitter it as well |
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| 00:32.58 | Lunessa | Do not try to sneak your personal laptop onto the secure network. I will know that you are trying to do this because you won't be on the list of authorized MACs. |
| 00:33.29 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 00:33.48 | Arrowmaster | you guys are still using just a MAC address whitelist on your secure network? |
| 00:34.16 | cbreak | Lunessa: the authorized MACs are broadcast on the network |
| 00:34.27 | cbreak | it's not exactly secret what they are :) |
| 00:34.31 | Arrowmaster | my college atleast is using unique certificates on each computer |
| 00:35.25 | Lunessa | cbreak: It doesn't matter. You crappy Dell laptop won't have that MAC. |
| 00:35.37 | Arrowmaster | although since the printers dont support certificates they get whitelisted by MAC and maybe switch port, but its still easy to clone the printers MAC and plug into the printers cable drop |
| 00:35.51 | cbreak | Lunessa: I have a Mac! (Book) |
| 00:35.57 | Lunessa | *snicker* |
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| 00:36.02 | cbreak | I can set what ever MAC I want |
| 00:36.29 | Lunessa | cbreak - we also use hardware ids. |
| 00:36.45 | cbreak | hardware IDs? Like what? |
| 00:37.08 | Lopeppeppy | blue 32! |
| 00:37.41 | airtonix | tweets that he is typing something. |
| 00:38.26 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: hut hut hut! |
| 00:39.04 | Fisker | starcraft 2 beta? |
| 00:39.16 | Kraps | i has it |
| 00:40.04 | Kraps | YOU CANT HAS IT |
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| 00:40.53 | Mrono | I'm having some trouble with UnitBuff |
| 00:41.28 | Mrono | trying to introduce it into an if then with Focus Magic |
| 00:45.14 | Thunder_Child | anyone know if synergy will work with win7/vista? |
| 00:45.27 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: afaik it does. |
| 00:45.33 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks Jerub |
| 00:46.03 | Thunder_Child | i get to play with my first nettop today |
| 00:47.04 | airtonix | jnettop is pretty good |
| 00:47.18 | airtonix | probably nothing to do with your topic though |
| 00:47.44 | airtonix | and re: synergy... why would it not work ? |
| 00:48.05 | Thunder_Child | because it isnt listed as supported |
| 00:48.10 | Thunder_Child | it stops at xp |
| 00:48.28 | airtonix | so you haven't tried then ? |
| 00:48.40 | Thunder_Child | no, thats why i asked |
| 00:49.00 | airtonix | why haven'y you tried yet ? |
| 00:49.23 | airtonix | imdb version 1.0. (is it a virus) |
| 00:49.44 | airtonix | i mean i would think that the way syngery runs is fairly generic |
| 00:50.00 | airtonix | (i don't have two machines to test it on you see) |
| 00:50.43 | theorbtwo | I think I've used it on 7, but I can't quite remember. |
| 00:50.56 | theorbtwo | I wouldn't be surprised if it ran afowl of vista's security. |
| 00:50.59 | theorbtwo | Try it and see? |
| 00:51.38 | airtonix | doesn't that only relate to programs installed in "program files" ? (i mean how vista hates programs) |
| 00:51.55 | airtonix | because synergy is portable... doesn't require installing |
| 00:52.14 | airtonix | so it can be used from any path |
| 01:01.58 | Dagmar | Looks like I got my grocery shopping done just in time yesterday |
| 01:02.24 | airtonix | just before all the crazed FEV infected super mutants arrived ? |
| 01:03.22 | theorbtwo | Just before somebody accidentally summoned one of the upcomming playable races into existance? |
| 01:03.23 | airtonix | i can relate to your sense of relief is a situation such as that.. to be drooled upon by such beasts is quite a scary thought |
| 01:04.05 | airtonix | or was it because a local politican was about to start shaking peoples hands and smiling... that might even rank higher in my list of scary things to avoid |
| 01:04.32 | airtonix | 2. FEV infected hosts... 1. smiling politicians.. |
| 01:04.36 | airtonix | yup yup |
| 01:04.46 | Jerub | also, sigh@squishy tanks. |
| 01:04.56 | Jerub | tried to do toc10 last night again with me healing instead of tanking. |
| 01:08.03 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: Well, mainly before the lunatic hordes snatch up all the bread, milk, and beer |
| 01:08.14 | kd3 | dagmar; har |
| 01:08.30 | theorbtwo | Rumour of snow, then? |
| 01:08.37 | kd3 | and it's already begun according to a few of my retail friends |
| 01:08.39 | kd3 | don't say it |
| 01:08.42 | kd3 | it's "the s-word" |
| 01:08.46 | theorbtwo | Right. |
| 01:08.48 | Jerub | i love snow |
| 01:08.57 | Jerub | i've seen it before! like, 10 or 12 times! |
| 01:09.07 | Jerub | snow snow nsow |
| 01:09.08 | Jerub | snow |
| 01:09.12 | Dagmar | Not a rumor. |
| 01:09.16 | theorbtwo | It *amazes* me how people panic over snow in tempurate climates. |
| 01:09.24 | Dagmar | Oklahoma closed pretty much all of I-40 because of wrecks. |
| 01:09.50 | theorbtwo | Oh. We're talking subtropical or semi-arid? That's different. |
| 01:09.55 | kd3 | though it's likely not going to be snow. it'll be its more common cousin in atlanta, the ice storm |
| 01:10.07 | Dagmar | Startting at about 3am tonight here they're saying 30% chance of snow, then by 6am, 30% chance of ice pellets, then by 9am is just nothing but ice pellets for the rest of the day |
| 01:10.52 | Dagmar | Yeah I am just hoping there won't be a repeat of ~97 when ice invaded the city and quietly tore down 75% of the electrical infrastructure |
| 01:11.39 | Dagmar | Without all that light pollution, it was a beautiful night. The trees quietly groaning under the weight of a half inch ice glaze... the peaceful crashing of big chunks of vegetation snapping off and taking the remaining power lines with it... |
| 01:11.50 | kd3 | I'd say "you'd think georgia power would've learned after that" but considering how spotty power is... |
| 01:11.57 | kd3 | indeed |
| 01:12.10 | Dagmar | ...the semi-continuous distant booming sounds as transformer after transformer exploded. |
| 01:12.43 | Dagmar | Like after hte first night the main reason any power transformers survived at all was because their feed lines had been torn down already so... no load to speak of |
| 01:12.48 | Kraps | uninstalling steam erases all the games? |
| 01:13.01 | Dagmar | Kraps: Probably, since they're almost all tied to Steam |
| 01:13.18 | Kraps | well fuck me sideways\ |
| 01:13.18 | Dagmar | You can copy the directories beforehand if you like |
| 01:13.25 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO^ (i=as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 01:13.29 | Dagmar | Some of them aren't really tied to steam very much. |
| 01:13.37 | Dagmar | About half of them I've launched without the Steam launcher |
| 01:14.30 | Dagmar | The good news at least is that if you reinstall Steam, it'll re-download and reinstall every single one of them without a fuss. |
| 01:14.42 | Dagmar | ...and your saved games files for most of the newer games. |
| 01:14.55 | Kraps | ^ |
| 01:15.13 | Kraps | resumes breathing normally |
| 01:15.37 | Dagmar | Once you've bought something through Steam, they pretty much consider it a lifetime purchase. |
| 01:15.59 | Dagmar | Way, way better than EA's "pay us $5 extra and we'll maybe let you download this a second time, as long as you do it within one year" |
| 01:16.15 | Dagmar | I'm buying pretty much everything I can through Steam now |
| 01:16.15 | Nechckn | Okay... Lopeppeppy and Cairenn|afk have you heard of these "new" lace cookies? |
| 01:16.20 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Wait, steam does network transparency of save games now? |
| 01:16.43 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: FOr some stuff, like Torchlight... and any other game they can hack support for steam cloud into |
| 01:16.56 | theorbtwo | Cool! |
| 01:17.00 | Dagmar | Yeah I thought so too |
| 01:17.08 | Kraps | i wasnt worried about the games themselves, more like the saves |
| 01:17.29 | Dagmar | I don't expect it'll work with older games just yet |
| 01:17.30 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.35 | Dagmar | This is a relatively new improvement |
| 01:17.42 | kd3 | http://store.steampowered.com/news/1968/ |
| 01:17.47 | kd3 | say, november 2008 |
| 01:18.26 | Dagmar | I worry more about Half Life 2. |
| 01:18.38 | Dagmar | Some of it is *sneaky* |
| 01:18.40 | Nechckn | Dagmar was going to get STO and found whoever is reselling for Atari digital is doing that same crap |
| 01:18.56 | Nechckn | You can only re-download for a $4 fee or some such BS |
| 01:18.56 | Dagmar | Very clearly Mass Effect 2 "knows" about my save games from Mass Effect 1, even though I dind't import them |
| 01:19.17 | Dagmar | Nechckn: Yeah that policy is just insulting |
| 01:19.25 | theorbtwo | has been pondering buying Mass Effect. |
| 01:19.27 | theorbtwo | (The original.) |
| 01:19.54 | Dagmar | I was a little freaked out when some dialog happened in Mass Effect where the NPC called me to the mat over some decisions I'd made in Mass Effect 1 that I knew could have gone eithe rway |
| 01:20.00 | Dagmar | theorbtwo: It's still good. |
| 01:20.04 | Nechckn | Steam is pretty decent all-around.. Direct2Drive is okay, but seems to have a bit less in the offerings department. |
| 01:20.09 | Dagmar | I've not even finishd it yet, I was just in a rush to try ME2 |
| 01:20.22 | Dagmar | Steam hates my walet. |
| 01:20.25 | Dagmar | s/walet/wallet/; |
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| 01:21.01 | Dagmar | I have Psychonauts for the PS3, and I'm really having a hard time not justifying spending the TWO BUCKS to have it on the PC as well |
| 01:21.35 | Dagmar | I know tomorrow they'll put a few other games up for similarly crazy prices |
| 01:22.04 | Nechckn | Those holiday bundles were pretty insane, too |
| 01:22.10 | Dagmar | Oh lord yes |
| 01:22.25 | kd3 | spent way too much money on the holiday bundles |
| 01:22.31 | Dagmar | That's when I broke down and bought Mass Effect on the PC for both me and my gf |
| 01:22.34 | Nechckn | I had to seriously resist spending a few hundred, total.. just to have some free time, some time. |
| 01:22.59 | Kraps | kd3: so that article is saying that if i install steam on another computer and download, for example, ME2, i will be able to continue if i'm in the middle of a game, because my save is on their cloud? |
| 01:23.18 | kd3 | yup |
| 01:23.20 | Dagmar | the onlyh thing I can think of that would make Steam completely demolish everyone else is if you could pay a small fee to import non-Steam purchases into steam |
| 01:23.21 | Arrowmaster | if the game supports steam cloud yes |
| 01:23.30 | Dagmar | Like, I am irked I didn't buy BioShock through steam now |
| 01:23.36 | Kraps | niceeeeeeeeeee |
| 01:23.49 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: I think they pretty well already have blown away everybody else. |
| 01:23.57 | Nechckn | hrm.. did not know about yonder cloud. That is pretty neat. |
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| 01:24.06 | Dagmar | Seriously tho last I was cussin them hard |
| 01:24.09 | DWSR | hey all |
| 01:24.13 | kd3 | grrs at gfwl |
| 01:24.22 | Dagmar | I was like "How the hell did he KNOW I opted to not cure the Krogan genophage?!?" |
| 01:24.57 | DWSR | Dagmar: ME2? |
| 01:25.00 | Nechckn | Evil technomagickz!! |
| 01:25.01 | Dagmar | DWSR: yes. |
| 01:25.05 | DWSR | Where are you up to? |
| 01:25.30 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: i'm assuming a blockbuster title like ME2 would use the cloud |
| 01:25.42 | Dagmar | I'm not really sure. I've got Jack now, and the girl from the first game just blew me off. I'm heading to the Citadel next to take another whack at getting her on the team |
| 01:25.56 | Dagmar | I have Mordin, and the perfect Krogan |
| 01:26.04 | Kraps | SPOILERZ |
| 01:26.05 | DWSR | Dagmar: You can't get Ashley back on your team. |
| 01:26.14 | Dagmar | DWSR: Now _that_ is a spoiler |
| 01:26.16 | Arrowmaster | i wish they could make some deal with the publishers to get multiplatform, like i bought braid when it was 360 only and i bought monkey island during xbl's holiday deals, it would be sweet if i could have access to those on both xbl and steam without buying twice |
| 01:26.19 | Dagmar | I'm still going to try. You might be wrong. |
| 01:26.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: lol, I played that scenario out 3 times. |
| 01:26.45 | DWSR | I'm pretty sure there's no way, and I looked at the ME wiki. Can't get her. |
| 01:26.49 | Nechckn | Arrowmaster even like MS Live won't let you do that, which is sad. |
| 01:26.52 | DWSR | Can't get Liara either. |
| 01:26.53 | Kraps | DWSR: I know you couldnt even before the game came out |
| 01:26.56 | Arrowmaster | the list of team members has been common published knowledge for a while |
| 01:27.03 | Dagmar | Well, I'm pretty sure I couldn't pick her up on the colony no matter what, but I know she's headed back to Citadel, so I'll try again there |
| 01:27.12 | DWSR | Dagmar: She's not recruitable. |
| 01:27.14 | Kraps | none of the old team |
| 01:27.17 | DWSR | But you do get some pretty surprising. |
| 01:27.19 | Dagmar | Kraps: Wrong. |
| 01:27.21 | DWSR | Kraps: Not true. You get Tali. |
| 01:27.28 | DWSR | And Garrus. |
| 01:27.33 | Dagmar | OOf yeah I got Tali already. |
| 01:27.38 | Dagmar | Garrus was a really great suprise |
| 01:27.40 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: now that is a spoiler |
| 01:27.52 | Arrowmaster | and i havent even played the game yet |
| 01:27.56 | theorbtwo | wonders if he should just part the channel for a while. |
| 01:27.57 | Kraps | except i pissed Tali off at the beginning |
| 01:27.58 | Dagmar | When he took that helmet off I whooped for joy |
| 01:28.01 | DWSR | Dagmar: I have all of the teammembers except for 1 (which I'm in the middle of earning, I THINK. No dossier mission for him), and they're all loyal to me now. |
| 01:28.07 | DWSR | Kraps: You're supposed to. |
| 01:28.14 | Kraps | ok shhhhh |
| 01:28.18 | Dagmar | Kraps: She wasn't mad, just busy |
| 01:28.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: Complete the loyalty missions. |
| 01:28.22 | Nechckn | It's like #ME spoiler city! |
| 01:28.28 | Kraps | HALP |
| 01:28.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: The powers that they unlock are just rediculous. |
| 01:28.36 | Nechckn | covers eyes |
| 01:28.50 | Dagmar | I thought their powers were pretty crazy already. |
| 01:28.56 | Dagmar | More crazy, I'm not likely to notice. |
| 01:29.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah, they get better. Asari Justicar + Miranda unlocks are fucking rediculous. |
| 01:29.22 | Dagmar | LIara in the first one was just like this random blue girl who occasionally just waves her arms, and all the enemies fly around the screen and DIE |
| 01:29.23 | DWSR | Tear through whole squads of mercs in nothing flat. Then again, I have the collector weapons + armor. |
| 01:29.54 | Dagmar | I have the collectors' stuff, but I'll be damned if I'm wearing the Blood Dragon Armor |
| 01:29.54 | DWSR | Dagmar: Pretty much. Pissed that they changed the biotic/tech system to make them share a CD (i.e. NOT spammable). Glad to see the soldier class got some serious upgrades in terms of CC. |
| 01:29.56 | Dagmar | It looks cheesy |
| 01:30.07 | Dagmar | DWSR: Someone should tell Jack that |
| 01:30.12 | DWSR | Dagmar: the DLC armor's dumb. Can't remove the helmet wtf? |
| 01:30.22 | Dagmar | ...except they should get their life insurance paid up first. |
| 01:30.29 | Kraps | DWSR: word |
| 01:30.45 | Kraps | i look like an insect on 2 feet |
| 01:30.50 | DWSR | I'm using the collector's armor, AR and the Incisor SR. |
| 01:30.58 | DWSR | Pretty overpowered, I have to say. |
| 01:31.00 | Dagmar | No sniper rifle for me |
| 01:31.06 | DWSR | Comes with the pack. |
| 01:31.08 | DWSR | You should get it. |
| 01:31.12 | Dagmar | I went engineer |
| 01:31.14 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 01:31.15 | Kraps | where is the SR btw? |
| 01:31.27 | DWSR | Kraps: It comes with the DLC pack for the Collector armor and weaopns. |
| 01:31.28 | DWSR | weapons* |
| 01:31.28 | KarlKFI|work | sniper is pretty OP now that it's not retarded like in MS1 |
| 01:31.33 | Dagmar | Kraps: YOu have to do an extra dance step with the third code to get it |
| 01:31.33 | Kraps | i probably cant get it then |
| 01:31.42 | Dagmar | If I had a sniper rifle, all other weapons would be obsolete |
| 01:31.49 | Dagmar | I'm hell on wheels with the pistol alone |
| 01:31.52 | Kraps | retarded like in MS1 |
| 01:31.54 | DWSR | I'm glad that they fixed the issue of having 1 piece of equipment per team member. Stops you from locking yourself into 2 or 3 teammembers. |
| 01:32.02 | Dagmar | I just wish it had more charges |
| 01:32.06 | DWSR | Dagmar: SR is more balanced now than in the last game. |
| 01:32.12 | DWSR | Same with the shotgun and the AR. |
| 01:32.18 | Kraps | i dont get the ammo situation |
| 01:32.18 | Dagmar | DWSR: I'm _always_ good with sniper rifles |
| 01:32.20 | KarlKFI|work | well in MS1 is was shakey as shit unless you had high skill in sniping and held your breath |
| 01:32.23 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: what do you have to do with the 3rd code? |
| 01:32.24 | Kraps | thermal? |
| 01:32.31 | Dagmar | If I have one, I'll go through the game not knowing what anyone looks like up close |
| 01:32.35 | DWSR | They're so much more balanced now. Probably related to the rebalancing of biotic/tech poers. |
| 01:32.46 | DWSR | Kraps: They're thermal clips. Think disposable heat sinks. |
| 01:32.51 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Enter it on bioware's site or something |
| 01:32.58 | KarlKFI|work | and ay biotics were OP in MS1 |
| 01:33.07 | Dagmar | I just noticed it's items were missing from my list of purchased cheaties, and did a little Googling |
| 01:33.08 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: Once you got them upgraded to max rank. |
| 01:33.08 | Arrowmaster | oh i cheated and just entered them all into another EA game |
| 01:33.16 | Arrowmaster | and it worked |
| 01:33.24 | Kraps | DWSR: and that gives me more ammo? |
| 01:33.34 | Dagmar | Yeah, it's that third code that nothing really prompts you for directly |
| 01:33.37 | DWSR | Kraps: When you eject a thermal clip, the gun's heat level resets. |
| 01:33.40 | Dagmar | It's throwing a lot of people |
| 01:33.43 | DWSR | Kraps: Think of it like the inverse of a shield. |
| 01:33.47 | Mrono | Can someone who knows how to use UnitAura or UnitBuff whisper me |
| 01:33.48 | DWSR | err. |
| 01:33.53 | DWSR | inverse of the heat level from the last game. |
| 01:33.59 | DWSR | Mrono: http://wowprogramming.com |
| 01:34.02 | Arrowmaster | the Cerberus network one? |
| 01:34.09 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: You don't enter it anywhere. |
| 01:34.12 | Arrowmaster | ive got like 5 ME2 codes |
| 01:34.12 | Dagmar | Do the guns overheat in this one? |
| 01:34.14 | DWSR | At least, I haven't seen a spot. |
| 01:34.15 | KarlKFI|work | I'm wearing my Dragon Armor |
| 01:34.26 | Dagmar | I've run them out of ammo repeatedly, but I've not noticed the thermal clip mechanic really doing anything |
| 01:34.29 | DWSR | Dagmar: No. You have to eject the thermal clip to continue firing. |
| 01:34.32 | Arrowmaster | i put my cerberus network code in and got the download for it |
| 01:34.39 | Dagmar | Ah so that's what reloading is doing then |
| 01:34.57 | DWSR | Dagmar: There's enough clips in the game that you can constantly piss through ammo using the AR + ML and win. |
| 01:35.07 | DWSR | I barely use any other weapon |
| 01:35.11 | Kraps | doesnt get it |
| 01:35.15 | Dagmar | DWSR: I am generally just going "Damnit, my heavy pistol is out again" |
| 01:35.16 | Arrowmaster | or was that crash site the free one everybody gets? |
| 01:35.30 | KarlKFI|work | i've run out of ammo on Hard on most weapons, but never all weapons |
| 01:35.32 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: No. |
| 01:35.34 | Kraps | and the new power/team interface sucks |
| 01:35.46 | Dagmar | The crash site I have, so it's one of the two (free stuff or cerberus code) |
| 01:35.48 | DWSR | Kraps: I'm on the fence. |
| 01:35.57 | DWSR | It's better that the power wheel is out of the way. |
| 01:35.59 | KarlKFI|work | al the minigames are annoying |
| 01:36.04 | DWSR | I just wish the team interface was better. |
| 01:36.14 | Kraps | you can barely see anything, its all beige |
| 01:36.14 | KarlKFI|work | mining especially |
| 01:36.15 | DWSR | Like, showing actual life/shield amounts, not just indicators showing damage. |
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| 01:36.20 | DWSR | Kraps: Mine's all grey. |
| 01:36.24 | Dagmar | KarlKFI|work: I can handle the "speed diffing" better than I can the "wheel of fail" from the last one |
| 01:36.37 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: You get an upgrade that makes that *significantly* faster. |
| 01:36.41 | DWSR | It's a ship upgrade |
| 01:36.44 | KarlKFI|work | i got it |
| 01:36.46 | Dagmar | KarlKFI|work: I was irked to find there's _zero_ controller support on the PC |
| 01:36.48 | KarlKFI|work | still annoying |
| 01:36.50 | Dagmar | I thought mining would be easier that way |
| 01:36.54 | Mrono | I'm trying to do an IF/THEN on if a unit has a buff |
| 01:37.08 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: I don't mine much. I get a ton of minerals from missions. |
| 01:37.16 | Dagmar | If there's something they need to change on the PC version, I think it should be adding controller support |
| 01:37.22 | KarlKFI|work | what that upgrade really should have done was make the scan/probe range 2x radius |
| 01:37.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: Agreed. |
| 01:37.36 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: Indeed. |
| 01:37.42 | Dagmar | dwsr: I've got ~100,000 of everything except element zero |
| 01:37.54 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 01:37.55 | Dagmar | My main issue is finding upgrade plans, not paying for them |
| 01:37.57 | Kraps | bahaaha! theres a guy on the wow forums necroing threads left and right |
| 01:38.08 | DWSR | Dagmar: I have lots of plans, don't bother upgrading. |
| 01:38.13 | Dagmar | I couldn't really tell if the mining upgrade did anything |
| 01:38.21 | DWSR | Probably tonight or tomorrow I'll just go mining crazy and get a bunch of everything and upgrade. |
| 01:38.24 | Dagmar | DWSR: You don't want to remove those scars? |
| 01:38.31 | DWSR | Dagmar: Have that upgrade already. |
| 01:38.33 | KarlKFI|work | it made it so right clicking to scan didn't slow your movement speed |
| 01:38.34 | Dagmar | i can't tell if they're growing incrementally or what |
| 01:38.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: I don't upgrade *much*. |
| 01:38.59 | Dagmar | It's either so subtle I can't tell (which is good) or I'm just not cruel enough to make it happen faster |
| 01:39.02 | DWSR | Dagmar: It depends on your character's alignment. If you're mostly paragon, they heal. |
| 01:39.09 | DWSR | If you're neutral, they stay the same. |
| 01:39.13 | Dagmar | Well, they're not healing. |
| 01:39.21 | Dagmar | I think they're gettig a little worse, but it's so little a change |
| 01:39.22 | DWSR | Dagmar: Your paragon and renegade levels about the same? |
| 01:39.28 | KarlKFI|work | good = healing, bad = scars |
| 01:39.34 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:39.35 | Dagmar | More paragon than renegade |
| 01:39.43 | KarlKFI|work | try harder |
| 01:39.44 | DWSR | Dagmar: Then you'll see slow healing. |
| 01:40.01 | KarlKFI|work | who cares about the scars anyway |
| 01:40.03 | DWSR | I used the upgrade to remove the scarring and am now playing 'chaotic good'. |
| 01:40.12 | KarlKFI|work | is there some chickt hat will onyl take you if you dont have any? |
| 01:40.13 | Dagmar | dwsr: Yeah but I can't really even tell. Either I'm becoming more picky about the weird glowing scars, or they're growing very slowly anyway |
| 01:40.20 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: : No idea. |
| 01:40.30 | Dagmar | KarlKFI|work: Nonsense. Everyone knows chicks dig scars. |
| 01:40.31 | Arrowmaster | scaring? |
| 01:40.32 | DWSR | I know that Miranda wants you (if you're male). |
| 01:40.42 | DWSR | I just about got in her pants. Tali as well. |
| 01:40.46 | KarlKFI|work | they all want you |
| 01:40.49 | DWSR | Can you bang Kelly Chambers though? |
| 01:40.50 | Dagmar | DWSR: Talk to your XO more |
| 01:40.58 | Kraps | glowing scars ftw |
| 01:41.06 | Dagmar | DWSR: I get the feeling that _anyone_ on the ship can "do" Kelly |
| 01:41.09 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 01:41.12 | DWSR | Probably. |
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| 01:41.19 | DWSR | btw, Jack's alt outfit > her default one. |
| 01:41.25 | KarlKFI|work | she even lvoes the krogen |
| 01:41.28 | Dagmar | She has more than one outfit? |
| 01:41.29 | Dagmar | COOL |
| 01:41.41 | Dagmar | KarlKFI|work: Oh there'll be fanfic about that |
| 01:41.47 | DWSR | Dagmar: All of them have 2 outfits. The default one and then an unlocked one that you get if you complete their loyalty mission. |
| 01:41.56 | KarlKFI|work | what's the alt outfit? even less clothes? |
| 01:41.58 | Dagmar | dwsr: Don't spoil it for me |
| 01:42.03 | Kraps | btw there are at least 2 redheads on the ship, disproportionate |
| 01:42.04 | DWSR | Dagmar: The alt outfits all match. |
| 01:42.15 | DWSR | Which, I would suspect, is the point. |
| 01:42.18 | Dagmar | I'll find out for myself how many nuns she wants me to put through a tree chipper |
| 01:42.18 | DWSR | They're all black-yellow. |
| 01:42.20 | Arrowmaster | SHUT THE FUCK UP ALL OF YOU! your making me want to start ME2 before i max out a character in ME to transfer in |
| 01:42.24 | KarlKFI|work | everyone loves redheads |
| 01:42.31 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: You honestly don't need to max it out |
| 01:42.38 | Arrowmaster | but i want to |
| 01:42.40 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Don't bother max'ing a character. You get some additional money (which is easy to make anyway), and like nothing else. |
| 01:42.40 | Kraps | KarlKFI|work: agreed |
| 01:42.53 | KarlKFI|work | i got like 130,00 credits for importing my rich character |
| 01:42.56 | DWSR | rofl |
| 01:43.01 | Dagmar | Yeah I've got about 179,000 credits, no real idea what to spend them on |
| 01:43.02 | Arrowmaster | heard you get 100,000 of each mineral with a lvl 60 |
| 01:43.11 | KarlKFI|work | that too |
| 01:43.14 | DWSR | Dagmar: Shops on Omage, Illium, Tuchunka for upgrades. |
| 01:43.16 | Kraps | the new galaxy map threw me |
| 01:43.24 | DWSR | Kraps: Donuts in the SR2 ftw. |
| 01:43.24 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: You can get those minerals just pillaging plantes of their resources |
| 01:43.27 | KarlKFI|work | oh god i hate the new galexy map |
| 01:43.30 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:43.32 | Kraps | i was like "wtf i cant click anything" |
| 01:43.42 | Dagmar | DWSR: Yeah I know I need to go to Omega for the ship's engineers |
| 01:43.44 | DWSR | Fuel is a fucking stupid concept in this game. |
| 01:43.51 | DWSR | Dagmar: Citadel for the ship's cook as well. |
| 01:43.54 | KarlKFI|work | wtf i dont want to mini game to fucking fly my ship. last game i just clicked a destination! |
| 01:43.55 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 01:44.00 | Kraps | DWSR: donuts? |
| 01:44.00 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: ok but are those resources limited or is there unlimited? |
| 01:44.17 | DWSR | Kraps: Yeah. Just click +drag in a circle. SR2 will spin in circles without moving anywhere. |
| 01:44.19 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: That dpeends. I *think* they're a fixed amount on each planet |
| 01:44.28 | Dagmar | ...but there's clearly plenty |
| 01:44.40 | Kraps | btw do you use fuel when using a mass relay? |
| 01:44.43 | Arrowmaster | but im an OCD power gamer |
| 01:44.44 | Dagmar | I've only fully canvased two systems and done a little nibbling at two others |
| 01:44.48 | DWSR | Dagmar: There's a fixed amount on each planet in the game. But the universe is like 2x-3x the size, so there's more than enough minerals to get every upgrade in the game. |
| 01:44.50 | KarlKFI|work | you can burn like 15 probes per planet easy |
| 01:44.53 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:44.57 | KarlKFI|work | and you can onyl hold 30 |
| 01:45.00 | Dagmar | I've probably got enough minerals for every possible upgrade already |
| 01:45.01 | KarlKFI|work | it's annoying |
| 01:45.02 | DWSR | Again, retarded. |
| 01:45.15 | DWSR | Dagmar: No you don't. Trust me, the high level upgrades get fucking expensive. have you seen the ship upgrades yet? |
| 01:45.20 | Dagmar | Some of them |
| 01:45.28 | KarlKFI|work | you cant even mine a whole solar system before having to fly to another fuckign star system to refuel and get more probes |
| 01:45.38 | Dagmar | Either way, I've got a pretty ruthless method of mining planets. |
| 01:45.41 | Dagmar | Just like peeling an orange |
| 01:45.45 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: You don't burn fuel inside a solar system, only travelling between. |
| 01:46.12 | KarlKFI|work | yes but you burn half your fuel going from one solar system to an ajacent one with a fuelign station |
| 01:46.16 | Kraps | DWSR: so using a relay uses no fuel? |
| 01:46.16 | Dagmar | KarlKFI|work: Well, in their defense it's not like you _need_ to completely mine a place out |
| 01:46.25 | DWSR | Kraps: Nope. |
| 01:46.27 | Dagmar | Kraps: Yes the mass relays just basically toss your ship |
| 01:46.51 | DWSR | You can fly to every planet within every solar system that contains a mass relay and use 0 fuel. |
| 01:46.53 | Kraps | so why fly manually to a system then? |
| 01:47.06 | Dagmar | Kraps: Because no mass relay points there |
| 01:47.08 | DWSR | Kraps: There are multiple systems per cluster (nebula?) |
| 01:47.15 | KarlKFI|work | because not all systems have fuel depots or mass relays |
| 01:47.15 | DWSR | And only 1 per cluster holds a relay. |
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| 01:47.46 | KarlKFI|work | i can deal with the ammo/heat stuff. that's ok |
| 01:48.03 | KarlKFI|work | but the ship fuel and probes is lame on top of the mining itself being fairly lame |
| 01:48.06 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: The last game was rediculous. You could mod your gun to never overheat. It obviously needed fixing. |
| 01:48.08 | Kraps | KarlKFI|work: ita just confusing, i dont get it |
| 01:48.08 | Dagmar | I want a "more ammo for yer heavy pistol" upgrade BADLY |
| 01:48.25 | DWSR | Dagmar: You don't get any. You just get a different heavy pistol that allows for a higher max clip count. |
| 01:48.40 | Dagmar | dwsr: The sharpshooter skill or whatever it was had almost hte same effect |
| 01:48.59 | Dagmar | Kick it in, the pistol fires full auto, and you can pretty much empty your whole stash of ammo before it'll overheat |
| 01:49.00 | KarlKFI|work | i do kinda miss the gun customization |
| 01:49.00 | DWSR | Dagmar: As I said, I'm a soldier using the collector AR and maxed out soldier skill. |
| 01:49.07 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 01:49.18 | KarlKFI|work | collector AR is wicked |
| 01:49.25 | KarlKFI|work | burns ammo tho |
| 01:49.26 | DWSR | It's overpowered. Badly overpowered. |
| 01:49.35 | DWSR | KarlKFI|work: Haven't had a problem. I'm playing normal though |
| 01:49.51 | KarlKFI|work | hard ftw |
| 01:49.51 | Dagmar | KarlKFI|work: I DON'T miss the "You've just reached 150 items. Now we're going to make you turn these twenty-two really cool upgrades you got into Vaseline. One. At. A. Time. Enjoy you hoarder, you." |
| 01:49.57 | KarlKFI|work | it's actually fairly challenging |
| 01:50.11 | KarlKFI|work | yeah sure i dont miss that |
| 01:50.13 | DWSR | Where are you up to, everyone who's playing ME2? |
| 01:50.15 | DWSR | Dagmar: Indeed. |
| 01:50.25 | Kraps | omega station |
| 01:50.27 | DWSR | Esp. since the hacks were so gd easy that the omnigel was useless. |
| 01:50.30 | KarlKFI|work | but i miss the ability to decide what mod to use now |
| 01:50.45 | Kraps | is that the name? |
| 01:50.47 | Dagmar | DWSR: Nah, occasionally you'd say, have to defuse a bunch of bomb locks or something. |
| 01:50.50 | DWSR | Kraps: Omega station's a hub world. You come back to it a few times. Is this the first time you're there? |
| 01:50.56 | KarlKFI|work | pretty much they replaced it with the soldier fire/ice |
| 01:50.59 | Dagmar | Then it's OMNIGEL TO THE RESKOO time |
| 01:51.00 | DWSR | Dagmar: Never had that. |
| 01:51.10 | DWSR | Dagmar: Always was able to beat the timers just using the hacks. |
| 01:51.16 | Dagmar | "100 omni-gel to disable this lock? no problem" |
| 01:51.22 | Lopeppeppy | Look. Cats. See my cats! http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/jarien/together2.jpg |
| 01:51.30 | Kraps | DWSR: the shithole with the crazy bitch asari? yeah |
| 01:51.38 | Dagmar | dwsr: I had a bad feeling about what might happen if I failed even once, while locked in a small room with a serious nuclear bomb covered in them |
| 01:51.51 | DWSR | Dagmar: Oh, that mission? It was so easy. |
| 01:52.00 | DWSR | The hacks in 2 are actually much better. |
| 01:52.03 | Kraps | stop spoiling!!!!!!! |
| 01:52.06 | DWSR | A bit more challenging. |
| 01:52.12 | DWSR | Kraps: We're talking about ME1. |
| 01:52.28 | Kraps | ... |
| 01:52.35 | Dagmar | I like the Asari |
| 01:52.38 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:52.42 | DWSR | You get one in this game again. |
| 01:52.46 | Dagmar | She keeps a dancing girl on staff. |
| 01:52.47 | DWSR | And she is like 50x more badass than Liara. |
| 01:52.48 | Dagmar | This makes me happy. |
| 01:53.10 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: is she green? |
| 01:53.16 | DWSR | Anyone have Zaeed? |
| 01:53.22 | Kraps | blue Arrowmaster |
| 01:53.22 | Dagmar | Being that that was about the most risque thing in Mass Effect 1, it needed a repeat |
| 01:53.37 | Kraps | lot more cursing though |
| 01:53.39 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Don't remind me. I missed recording that episode in high-def today |
| 01:53.47 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 01:54.01 | Dagmar | The Enterprise episode with the three green dancing slave girls from Orion |
| 01:54.05 | DWSR | lol |
| 01:54.13 | Dagmar | It was on earlier today and I didn't notice until it was over |
| 01:54.21 | DWSR | I'm about 15h in. |
| 01:54.28 | DWSR | and the plot is bombshell after bombshell. |
| 01:54.35 | DWSR | It's *rediculous*. |
| 01:54.43 | DWSR | btw, anyone know what EDI's "restricted functions" are? |
| 01:54.53 | Dagmar | Who knows, maybe this time there *will* be forced sodomy with aliens like Mr. Thompson promised us before |
| 01:55.01 | DWSR | lol |
| 01:55.10 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: hug teh kittehs for me |
| 01:55.11 | Torhal | Good ole Jack. |
| 01:55.13 | Dagmar | dwsr: Probably "turning on the stupid earther" |
| 01:55.31 | DWSR | lol |
| 01:55.38 | Dagmar | Torhal: Yep. Jack would absolutely be the one to do it |
| 01:55.43 | DWSR | btw, Jack's a potential romance. |
| 01:55.48 | Dagmar | I know |
| 01:56.00 | Dagmar | SHe's probably the one I'll go for, just because. Hehe |
| 01:56.48 | Dagmar | I already dodged "The Chakwas Bullet" |
| 01:56.52 | DWSR | ? |
| 01:56.58 | DWSR | Can you bang her too? |
| 01:57.12 | Lopeppeppy | I will Kraps, thanks! |
| 01:57.22 | Dagmar | I got her the expensive bottle of brandy she wanted, then later came back and had a drink with her |
| 01:57.28 | Dagmar | She got drunk, things started getting personal |
| 01:57.42 | Dagmar | I had to start getting picky there |
| 01:57.44 | DWSR | Dagmar: Oh, yeah. I did that too. |
| 01:57.49 | Dagmar | That scene plays out IRL all too well |
| 01:57.54 | DWSR | Dagmar: I don't think you can bang her though |
| 01:58.27 | Dagmar | Dude you can bang aliens |
| 01:58.35 | DWSR | Yeah, but Chakwas is old. |
| 01:58.37 | Dagmar | I don't think they'll let a little grey hair slow you down |
| 01:58.59 | DWSR | Also, she seems to have a more platonic relationship with Shepard anyway |
| 01:59.06 | Dagmar | She's also pretty flirty when you're both drunk |
| 01:59.22 | DWSR | Yeah, but there's no way to continue it. |
| 01:59.35 | DWSR | She has like *no* dialog using the "I want to talk to you" option. |
| 01:59.59 | Dagmar | go to Afterlife, buy that booze from the upstairs bartender and give it to her |
| 02:00.22 | DWSR | Oh, you have to keep getting her drunk? |
| 02:00.40 | Dagmar | You'll have *plenty* of dialog choices, some with colors on them, once she's been drinking |
| 02:01.00 | Dagmar | You *have* had alcohol before right? |
| 02:01.04 | Dagmar | You know what it does to people |
| 02:01.09 | DWSR | I do. |
| 02:01.15 | DWSR | but I didn't know that you could bring any back tot he ship. |
| 02:01.27 | DWSR | I kinda lol'ed at the drunken SFX. |
| 02:01.31 | Dagmar | You can. After you get yourself a drink at the bar, you can then buy the bottle |
| 02:01.41 | DWSR | oh, nice. |
| 02:01.54 | DWSR | Anyone know *what* the ship's upgrades are for? |
| 02:01.58 | Dagmar | Remember, _upstairs_ bar. |
| 02:02.23 | Dagmar | DWSR: So far I've seen the med-bay upgrade to get rid of scars, and heavy armor plating for the ship so there's not two burned out monumnets |
| 02:03.01 | DWSR | Dagmar: You can also get upgraded weapons and shields. |
| 02:03.10 | DWSR | From garrus and Tali respectively. |
| 02:03.11 | Dagmar | Probably so |
| 02:03.19 | DWSR | Just use Investigate->[NORMADY UPGRADES]. |
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| 02:03.49 | Dagmar | I know. I've gotten a few |
| 02:04.02 | Dagmar | Frankly I was just relieved Mordin's wasn't "A button that turns everyone inside out" |
| 02:04.02 | DWSR | I didn't realize that the SR2 is supposed to be twice the size of the SR1. |
| 02:04.20 | Dagmar | He strikes me as the kind guy who might build such a thing, just to make examinations easier |
| 02:04.23 | DWSR | Dagmar: I wanted a button that instantly puts everything on fire. |
| 02:04.33 | DWSR | For the pyro in me. |
| 02:04.38 | Dagmar | Push 4 if you took engineer |
| 02:05.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: I was pretty amazed at the backstory to the quantum communication device. |
| 02:05.25 | DWSR | Dagmar: That science is actually *right*. |
| 02:05.38 | Dagmar | I like how they threw that in there for the few people who didn't already know what quantum entanglement was |
| 02:05.57 | DWSR | Dagmar: I'm sure lots of people don't know. |
| 02:05.58 | Dagmar | DWSR: well, except for the whole "feasible" part |
| 02:06.20 | DWSR | Dagmar: Of course, but this is like 300 years in the future. At least the underlying physics principles are correct. |
| 02:06.37 | Dagmar | ...and no one's apparently smart enough to know how to build a PAX in space |
| 02:06.37 | DWSR | Unlike Star Trek where it's just like "Yeah, we just push this button and VROOM lightspeed" |
| 02:07.17 | DWSR | Anyone know what the fuck the trash compactor's for? Besides shits and giggles. |
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| 02:07.36 | Arrowmaster | while playing ME1 and reading all the codex entries i decided that if there was ever a pen and paper mass effect rpg i had to play it |
| 02:07.37 | Mrono | How do i get the spell critical in % from the API |
| 02:08.32 | DWSR | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetSpellCritChance |
| 02:09.09 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: I'm very impressed at the effort for immsersiveness. |
| 02:09.11 | Mrono | omg I love you |
| 02:09.12 | Dagmar | Dwsr: Punting used Yugos out the airlock |
| 02:09.43 | Dagmar | Although there *is* that handy glass door there. |
| 02:09.45 | DWSR | Mrono: http://wowprogramming.com is the best resource for developing an addon, IMO. |
| 02:09.48 | DWSR | Dagmar: mhm |
| 02:09.52 | DWSR | Dagmar: Where are you up to? |
| 02:10.05 | Dagmar | Dunno really. Maybe 1/3 to 1/4 way through |
| 02:10.11 | Dagmar | Probably less |
| 02:10.11 | DWSR | What have you done? |
| 02:10.15 | Mrono | DWSR: it's helped a bit, just haven't been able to find that perticular call |
| 02:10.15 | DWSR | spoiler warning. |
| 02:10.27 | DWSR | Mrono: Use a google domain search. |
| 02:10.35 | DWSR | Mrono: Or just use the search box. |
| 02:10.38 | Dagmar | Recruited Jack, Tali, Garrus, that crazy merc guy, the Krogan |
| 02:10.42 | Dagmar | I just got Tali last night |
| 02:10.46 | DWSR | Dagmar: Zaeed |
| 02:10.53 | DWSR | Have you been to Horizon? |
| 02:10.53 | Dagmar | Being that the things pretty non-linear, it's hard to tell |
| 02:11.03 | Dagmar | Yeah isn't that where I got Tali? |
| 02:11.07 | DWSR | Dagmar: There's funnel events that you have to go through to progress the story. |
| 02:11.10 | DWSR | Dagmar: No. |
| 02:11.12 | Dagmar | ...had Ashley calling me names |
| 02:11.13 | DWSR | That's Haestrom. |
| 02:11.21 | DWSR | Yeah, Ashley calls you names. |
| 02:11.31 | Dagmar | I can probably bring her around |
| 02:11.33 | DWSR | You can't. |
| 02:11.34 | DWSR | :P |
| 02:11.43 | Dagmar | Right so spoiler much? |
| 02:11.52 | DWSR | Dagmar: Ally list has been known for months. |
| 02:11.59 | DWSR | And as I told you, I played the scenario 3 times. |
| 02:11.59 | Arrowmaster | are you sure? maybe your ME1 game effects it |
| 02:12.01 | DWSR | You can't get her. |
| 02:12.07 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: I'm starting from scratch. |
| 02:12.21 | DWSR | She just gets disgusted at the fact that you're working for Cerberus. |
| 02:12.33 | DWSR | If you remember from ME1, you have to play the Alliance goody goody in order to get in her pants. |
| 02:12.43 | Dagmar | I figure I do a few things to get them kinda mad at me, she'll probably come around. |
| 02:12.48 | Dagmar | If not, I still have Jack |
| 02:12.50 | Dagmar | :) |
| 02:12.51 | DWSR | lul. |
| 02:12.58 | Arrowmaster | everything ive heard starting without an ME1 data is a lot like a renagade, lots of evil choices |
| 02:13.04 | Nechckn | and you can always get in his pants??? |
| 02:13.12 | DWSR | Nechckn: Jack's a girl. |
| 02:13.16 | Dagmar | I shall remain silent on the basis of * |
| 02:13.18 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 02:13.25 | Nechckn | okey dokey then |
| 02:13.33 | Dagmar | I wouldn't dare call her that to her face |
| 02:13.35 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:13.48 | DWSR | woman, whatever. |
| 02:13.50 | Nechckn | has not played, so no idea. |
| 02:14.01 | DWSR | Anyway, you haven't unlocked half of the dossier missions yet, and you haven't seen any of the loyalty missions. |
| 02:14.02 | Dagmar | I think even that might be risky |
| 02:14.11 | Dagmar | I know I've been offered them |
| 02:14.23 | Dagmar | Miranda's loyalty mission opens up SO many possibilities |
| 02:14.23 | DWSR | Oh, no that's right. |
| 02:14.24 | Dagmar | OMG |
| 02:14.30 | DWSR | Horizon is when you get the first set. |
| 02:14.31 | Dagmar | I am so doing that one when I get hom |
| 02:14.32 | Dagmar | e |
| 02:14.34 | DWSR | LOL yeah. |
| 02:14.38 | DWSR | She wants you so bad after that one. |
| 02:14.50 | Arrowmaster | i wish i could remember what choices i made in my ME1 save |
| 02:14.51 | Dagmar | It's not her I'm interested in, strictly speaking |
| 02:15.00 | DWSR | ? |
| 02:15.05 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: If you bought it through Steam I don't think it much matters |
| 02:15.12 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Yes it does. |
| 02:15.22 | Dagmar | LIke I said, *clearly* something, either Steam Cloud or EA, *knew* what choices I made in ME1 |
| 02:15.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: Did you import your save? |
| 02:15.40 | Dagmar | I never imported my character, and three times now I've had an NPC call me out on stuff I know is decision points |
| 02:15.45 | Dagmar | DWSR: I *didn't* |
| 02:16.00 | Arrowmaster | i was playing it 1 week after the 360 release, stupid amazon fucked up the shipping |
| 02:16.02 | DWSR | Dagmar: Right, but what stuff did they call you out on? because there is a default backstory for Shepard if you don't import. |
| 02:16.23 | Dagmar | When I got questioned about Virmire it was one thing, but Ashley was _there_. I let Kaidan blow himself up. |
| 02:16.23 | Arrowmaster | i didnt wait for the pc port so no steam cloud or EA shit |
| 02:16.35 | Dagmar | ...and then another NPC called me out over that genophage thing |
| 02:16.50 | Dagmar | I was like, no... something here has informed the game what I did in ME1 |
| 02:16.54 | DWSR | Dagmar: Blowing up the goddamned plant on Virmire is stopping that. |
| 02:16.57 | Arrowmaster | did you kill wrex? |
| 02:17.02 | DWSR | Dagmar: Did you kill Wrex and Kaidan? |
| 02:17.08 | Dagmar | Yep. I let Wrex snuff it |
| 02:17.15 | DWSR | Yeah, that's the default backstory. |
| 02:17.32 | Arrowmaster | which removes sidequests |
| 02:17.34 | Dagmar | Well, the game would have some problems if I'd let Ashley die |
| 02:17.35 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:17.42 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, you'd see Kaidan instead. |
| 02:17.52 | DWSR | If you're female, you see Kaidan instead of Ashley on Horizon. |
| 02:17.58 | Arrowmaster | since if you saved him then wrex would be in the game |
| 02:18.00 | DWSR | (assuming a fresh start). |
| 02:18.45 | DWSR | Dagmar: You *may* have just made the exact same choices as the default choiceset. |
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| 02:19.00 | DWSR | Last thing is that you let the council die, right? |
| 02:20.06 | DWSR | Again, default backstory. |
| 02:20.58 | DWSR | Sorry to burst your bubble. |
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| 02:21.54 | Dagmar | I didn't get that far yet this time around |
| 02:22.21 | DWSR | Dagmar: The ME2 story gets pretty twisted past Horizon. I recommend that you pick up all of the characters. |
| 02:22.36 | DWSR | And do all of their loyalty missions. The Justicar's in particular is awesome. |
| 02:22.45 | Dagmar | Dude, I don't go into battles with crazy large hordes of enemies without EVERY possible thing in my favor |
| 02:23.01 | Dagmar | Universe in peril == Serious Mode |
| 02:23.23 | DWSR | Dagmar: Do you know if Miranda has to be *in* your shore party in order to give her squad bonuses? |
| 02:23.28 | Dagmar | I'll have everyone and her sister packing heat for me before I go directly after the bad guys |
| 02:23.38 | DWSR | lol, not to spoil things. |
| 02:23.42 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 02:23.45 | DWSR | but there's 1 dossier that you don't get. |
| 02:23.53 | DWSR | And if it's who I think it is, you're going to shit your pants. |
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| 02:24.16 | DWSR | Oh, it is.\ |
| 02:24.20 | DWSR | Yeah, you are going to shit your pants. |
| 02:24.21 | Dagmar | I picked Ruthless backstory, so we'll see. ;) |
| 02:24.43 | Dagmar | This is part of the reason I can't use sniper rifles. |
| 02:25.07 | Dagmar | "Hmm... that pixel looks like it moved. *sights downfield*BANG* That should do it." |
| 02:25.24 | DWSR | When I was referring to backstory, I meant the default choices for your character's ME1 story. |
| 02:25.32 | DWSR | Not like "the backstory" choice in the character creation menu. |
| 02:25.59 | Dagmar | Meh, if Andersen shows up I won't really be suprised |
| 02:26.12 | DWSR | He does. |
| 02:26.12 | Dagmar | Saren either, but I'll be hard pressed to not shoot him |
| 02:26.18 | DWSR | He doesn't. |
| 02:26.24 | Dagmar | I still hate that guy |
| 02:26.26 | DWSR | Yep. |
| 02:26.40 | DWSR | His final fight in ME1 was such a pain in the ass as every class but soldier. |
| 02:26.53 | DWSR | Soldier was just like "LOLHEATSINK LOLARSPAM LOLWIN" |
| 02:26.59 | Dagmar | If Soveriegn shows up to shoot for me, he'd better have a parasol and pink pinstripes so I know to tell the paramedics I've had an embalism. |
| 02:27.12 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:27.24 | DWSR | You can't recruit Anderson, I'll add. |
| 02:27.28 | DWSR | You do get to see him though. |
| 02:27.39 | Dagmar | Andersen's his own man, and retired. |
| 02:27.44 | DWSR | Something I really dislike (which you probably haven't seen yet but isn't a huge spoiler), is that you're in a different section of the Citadel. |
| 02:27.58 | DWSR | And the layout is completely different. And you can't visit the Presidium. |
| 02:28.04 | Dagmar | He doesn't strike me as the recruitable type. More like the kinda guy who you just see for a few minutes before he goes in ahead of you and makes you look like a pansy |
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| 02:28.11 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:28.22 | DWSR | Udina's a prick, as always. |
| 02:28.38 | Dagmar | I don't much care about the Presidium. I want a second crack at the Consort. |
| 02:28.46 | DWSR | She's in the Presidium though |
| 02:28.52 | Dagmar | She might be around somewhere |
| 02:29.06 | DWSR | Yeah, you hear about her leaving the Citadel from the news on Omega. |
| 02:29.08 | DWSR | So maybe. |
| 02:29.17 | DWSR | Anyway, the Illusive Man yanks your chain all around the galaxy. |
| 02:29.20 | Dagmar | Ah.... yheah there's another thing |
| 02:29.21 | DWSR | I won't say more. |
| 02:29.28 | DWSR | But be prepared to want to wring his neck. |
| 02:29.33 | Dagmar | This one has a lot more going on in the way of hints coming over intercoms than even the last one did |
| 02:29.44 | DWSR | Yeah. It's nice. |
| 02:29.46 | Dagmar | In the last one it was like this one token thing you heard while riding an elevator |
| 02:29.57 | DWSR | There's also a *lot* more side missions. |
| 02:30.08 | Dagmar | Now they're just everywhere with different voices, different interpretations of events, etc etc |
| 02:30.14 | DWSR | and also, your mates seem to actually be part of the universe. They have people who recognize them and shit. |
| 02:30.25 | Dagmar | thinks of Jack |
| 02:30.36 | Dagmar | I'll have to be picky about where I take her then. |
| 02:30.53 | Dagmar | I at least had the sense to NOT take Garrus back with me when I revisited Omega |
| 02:30.59 | DWSR | Though, that might be the fact that I'm using more than just 3 of them in the game this time, thanks to the fact that BW removed the need to have 1 piece of equipment per mate. |
| 02:31.05 | DWSR | Dagmar: It doesn't matter. |
| 02:31.08 | DWSR | No one reacts, I don't think. |
| 02:31.19 | DWSR | I refused to use anyone but Miranda and Tali until I got everyone's unlock powers. |
| 02:31.25 | DWSR | Now everyone fucking roflstomps. |
| 02:31.35 | DWSR | and I max out their class rank thingy. |
| 02:31.43 | Dagmar | I'm kinda thinking that seein' as how he spent months pissing off every mercenary on that station, that Aria might shoot me in the face for walkin him in the front door of her club. |
| 02:31.43 | DWSR | So everyone just does badass amounts of damage. |
| 02:31.45 | Dagmar | If I'm lucky |
| 02:31.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: she liked him. |
| 02:32.01 | Dagmar | She'll probably have her pet Krogan just eat me |
| 02:32.03 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:32.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: Have you started actually using your squad tactially yet? |
| 02:32.29 | DWSR | Or do you just run in and let the AI choose which enemies to point and shoot at? |
| 02:32.36 | Dagmar | We have an understanding. They don't get killed a lot and I don't boss them around. |
| 02:32.39 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:32.56 | DWSR | Yeah, I noticed that the AI in this game is a lot better at not standing in the path of rockets, chain gun wielding enemies, and biotics. |
| 02:32.59 | Dagmar | I aim carefully, and I aim well. Where they are doesn't really matter much as long as it's keeping fire off me |
| 02:33.11 | DWSR | Do you have their auto-power usage on or off? |
| 02:33.23 | Dagmar | They do fair to middling about not standing in heavy solar radiation |
| 02:33.28 | Dagmar | I have it on. |
| 02:33.44 | Dagmar | Jack is pretty much a better eye-candy version of the blue girl from the last one |
| 02:33.52 | DWSR | Indeed. Shockwave is so pro. |
| 02:34.00 | Dagmar | Every so often... *WHAMMO* bad guys flying through the air |
| 02:34.15 | DWSR | Dagmar: However, if you turn the AI *off* and start micro'ing your squad tactically, you can really tear through enemies. |
| 02:34.28 | DWSR | I was *amazed* at how much of a difference a little micro makes. |
| 02:34.28 | Dagmar | Man it took awhile before I stopped trying to get away from whatever it was Liara was doing during ME1 |
| 02:34.31 | Arrowmaster | http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox360/qna/944907.html?qid=158263 |
| 02:34.47 | DWSR | LOL |
| 02:35.01 | Dagmar | I'm actually trying to not make it so easy I feel like I have to turn up the difficulty |
| 02:35.16 | DWSR | Dagmar: Micro'ing makes the game more challenging. |
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| 02:35.36 | Dagmar | Dude I'm taking out people with the pistol and an alarmingly high number of headshots |
| 02:35.38 | DWSR | I find myself pausing for like a minute whenever I enter into a boss fight getting a feel for the room and cover and setting up some tactics. |
| 02:35.45 | Dagmar | If I micromanage no one'll even get dinged up much |
| 02:35.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: You playing on normal or hard? |
| 02:35.54 | jadakren | Dagmar, question : you were talking about mass relays before... was this about mass effect the game ? (i'm interested to know a few things about the game ) |
| 02:36.03 | Dagmar | DWSR: Normal. I start all games on Normal |
| 02:36.05 | DWSR | ah. |
| 02:36.11 | Dagmar | jadakren: Yes. |
| 02:36.17 | DWSR | jadakren: Yes. |
| 02:36.23 | DWSR | Read the scrollback for everything about ME2. |
| 02:36.35 | Dagmar | The relays strip your ship of the effect of having any mass, so any amount of accelleration means near instant velocity increase |
| 02:36.41 | jadakren | Dagmar, unfortunatly the part im interested seems to have fallen off the ege of my buffer |
| 02:36.51 | DWSR | Dagmar: I've been purposely not mining and getting upgrades for anything but the ship. |
| 02:36.52 | Dagmar | A firecracker at the rear of a ship could put it to mac 2 |
| 02:36.56 | Dagmar | er mach 2 |
| 02:36.58 | DWSR | Trying to make the game harder that way. |
| 02:37.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: A lot higher if it has no mass, actually. |
| 02:37.25 | DWSR | The thing is it's not about the rate of acceleration, it's about the resulting velocity. |
| 02:37.34 | DWSR | No mass means FTL. |
| 02:37.36 | jadakren | my question is : how sandbox like is the game world ? more or less than oblivionwindfallout |
| 02:37.46 | DWSR | jadakren: Very *not*. |
| 02:37.49 | Dagmar | Oh! You don't really have to worry about htat much |
| 02:37.50 | jadakren | :( |
| 02:37.59 | Dagmar | There's no "roaming around in the buggy" stuff like in ME1 |
| 02:38.02 | DWSR | ME2, moreso than ME1, makes your decisions mean something. |
| 02:38.14 | DWSR | and yeah, there's no roaming in a buggy. |
| 02:38.24 | DWSR | There is roaming the galaxy though |
| 02:38.24 | jadakren | so if i want massive universe exploring i go for mass effect one ? |
| 02:38.29 | DWSR | No. |
| 02:38.32 | DWSR | You use ME2. |
| 02:38.33 | Dagmar | Kinda either |
| 02:38.41 | DWSR | Personally, I'd use ME2, anyway. |
| 02:38.47 | Dagmar | The buggy rides were not particularly entertaining. |
| 02:38.58 | Dagmar | Rescue on Fractalus practically had more depth |
| 02:39.01 | DWSR | You do the same amount of exploring, it's just ME1 is a lot more tedious, due to the fact that you have to get on the ground on every planet. |
| 02:39.07 | Dagmar | ....although slightly fewer polygons |
| 02:39.21 | jadakren | what appeals to me from the small information i;ve seen is that you use a space ship (is this in real time abit like eve online) and you land on planets (is the atmosphere entry real time or just a cut scene for each planet ) |
| 02:39.35 | DWSR | ME2 has probably twice or triple the amount of planets as ME1, but you can scan any unimportant planets from orbit. If you find an anomaly (i.e. side quest), you can land. |
| 02:39.50 | DWSR | Meaning a lot less loading screens and stupid climbs up retarded mountains. |
| 02:40.00 | DWSR | I'm also glad that they did away with environmental hazards (for the most part). |
| 02:40.02 | Dagmar | Buggy runs amount to you spawn on the ground in the buggy, check your map, head to the nearest marker over generically lumpy "space terrain", occasionally get out of the buggy to shoot people and/or mine stuff |
| 02:40.24 | Arrowmaster | jadakren: ME1 is cutscene like for both of those |
| 02:40.30 | jadakren | :( |
| 02:40.37 | Dagmar | dwsr: Important amendment, you can land IF you have a probe to check it out with |
| 02:40.40 | DWSR | "It's too cold FOR YOUR FUCKING SUIT THAT IS AIRTIGHT AND ALLOWS YOU TO BREATH IN SPACE" <- This was a big WTF for me. |
| 02:40.45 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 02:40.47 | DWSR | Dagmar: : Sorry, right. |
| 02:40.58 | Dagmar | Dwsr: It doesn't allow you to breathe in space all _that_ well, remember? |
| 02:40.59 | jadakren | DWSR, its not entirely stupid. not all suits have heating |
| 02:41.20 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yes it does. It just doesn't allow you to breath well when you have a whole in it. |
| 02:41.26 | jadakren | (although you would want some basic form of heating at least..) speacially in the shadows |
| 02:41.39 | Dagmar | heh |
| 02:41.43 | DWSR | jadakren: Right, but at the end of the game, you're forced to go out into space using the same suit, and it doesn't give you any warning like that. |
| 02:41.44 | Dagmar | No let's be honest |
| 02:41.48 | DWSR | and space is a lot colder than any planet. |
| 02:41.58 | jadakren | i'm a big fan of alisair reynolds "revelation space." |
| 02:42.21 | Dagmar | It's space. Shadows woulddn't really help. Being in an atmosphere that's at 4 kelvin is a bit of a different deal than being in a vacuum where there's no gases around to leech your heat away |
| 02:42.29 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:42.55 | DWSR | No, wait. |
| 02:42.55 | jadakren | Dagmar, being in a shadow means you dont have photons landing on you |
| 02:42.55 | Dagmar | ...and conversely, stepping into sunlight is likely to just cook you in seconds. |
| 02:42.58 | DWSR | Dagmar: My point is, we solved that sort of shit *now*. |
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| 02:43.06 | DWSR | Why the hell was there a warning in the first place? |
| 02:43.33 | DWSR | 300 years in the future, that shit should be a non-issue, and obviously is. |
| 02:43.34 | Dagmar | Space is easier to deal with than atmosphere where suit design is involved |
| 02:43.38 | jadakren | ok next question... traversing a solar system... point and click on a map and watch your ship icon move around or actual 3d navigation ? |
| 02:43.44 | Dagmar | Space... relatively constant pressure for one thing. |
| 02:43.49 | DWSR | jadakren: ME2 is 2D navagation. |
| 02:43.56 | DWSR | jadakren: ME1 is P&C. |
| 02:44.03 | Dagmar | jadakren: POint, click, and *hold* to make the ship go there |
| 02:44.24 | jadakren | so the only 3d is when you are in first person on a planet or in a ship navigating the actual ship interior ? |
| 02:44.28 | Dagmar | That's the main difference in moving the ship around in ME2 |
| 02:44.35 | DWSR | jadakren: Yes. |
| 02:44.49 | DWSR | well, the only interactive 3d. |
| 02:44.56 | DWSR | There's lots of cutscenes. |
| 02:45.03 | Dagmar | I think the basic idea is that the outer space navigation stuff is just the UI for your ship's controls |
| 02:45.09 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:45.13 | DWSR | Space is mostly empty anyway. |
| 02:45.15 | Dagmar | It's not your ship, it's your ship's icon on the fancy display |
| 02:45.16 | jadakren | that hologram interface thing ? |
| 02:45.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: Meh, maybe. |
| 02:45.37 | DWSR | I dunno. |
| 02:45.50 | Dagmar | If it ain't, those planets are way, way out of proportion |
| 02:46.05 | jadakren | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.07 | DWSR | Dagmar: I like to feel that I'm driving it, though travel time is such a stupid idea for a game that didn't have any in the first iteration |
| 02:46.16 | DWSR | jadakren: No. That's too much content for 1 game. |
| 02:46.32 | jadakren | i was also hoping that planetfall would be a realtime affair |
| 02:46.38 | DWSR | no |
| 02:46.39 | jadakren | not a cutscene or load screen |
| 02:46.46 | Dagmar | jadakren: I wouldn't put too much stock in Fallout 3's filler-fest there |
| 02:46.59 | DWSR | jadakren: ME2's universe is really expansive as it is. |
| 02:47.09 | Dagmar | Realistically, if humanity's been trashed, and law has gone out hte window, there should be more strip clubs and brothels. |
| 02:47.11 | jadakren | heh bethesda didn;t make much effort there |
| 02:47.16 | DWSR | If we added 3d nav in space and whatnot, it'd be overwhelming. |
| 02:47.20 | Dagmar | How many of these did you see in Fallout 3 that didn't involve falloutnexus? |
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| 02:47.43 | DWSR | Anyway, going home to complete my mission on the derelict Reaper |
| 02:47.53 | DWSR | And get ma IFF ttransponder to go through ma Omega4 relay. |
| 02:47.57 | Arrowmaster | stop with the spoilers |
| 02:47.57 | Dagmar | *shudder* |
| 02:48.08 | jadakren | quality of mods and discussion on that site for fallout3 is scary... wow mods have spoilt me ... ace3 in particular |
| 02:48.18 | DWSR | And I have to pick up my last team-member too. |
| 02:48.32 | DWSR | Anyway, later |
| 02:48.36 | Dagmar | Some of the mods are really good. |
| 02:48.40 | jadakren | a few yes |
| 02:48.46 | Dagmar | I want something like the prettier faces mod for Oblivion |
| 02:48.53 | Dagmar | Something that makes eveyone NOT look like a store mannquin |
| 02:49.05 | WobWork | pity you can't do much about them all sounding the same =P |
| 02:49.16 | jadakren | not practically anyway |
| 02:49.30 | jadakren | not unless you know a bunch of willing people who have great voices |
| 02:49.54 | Dagmar | I was working on putting me into Oblivion, and then I started reading some of the comments. |
| 02:50.00 | jadakren | The real time settler mod is pretty good idea |
| 02:50.18 | jadakren | but it caused so many crashes for me i just gave up in the end out of despair |
| 02:50.23 | Dagmar | Not really interested in having some know-nothing ten year old gibbering about how someone used a speech synthesizer to fake my voice |
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| 02:51.12 | Dagmar | Some of the comments on that site are just that far out there. |
| 02:52.27 | Dagmar | I must admit I do have mad respect for the face editor in Oblivion |
| 02:52.38 | Dagmar | You can take 2-3 pictures of someone and put their exact head in the game, no problem |
| 02:52.47 | Dagmar | No need to use fancy software for it |
| 02:52.53 | Dagmar | Just hold their pix up to the screen |
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| 02:53.40 | Dagmar | It's downright _weird_ to see your own face in there tho |
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| 03:00.11 | Thunder_Child | more machines need to have slot loading drives |
| 03:00.39 | jadakren | explain yourself |
| 03:02.11 | Thunder_Child | ...i like slot loading drives more than tray loading ones |
| 03:02.37 | Jerub | bring back caddies i say! |
| 03:03.16 | Thunder_Child | next you're going to be calling for 8-track |
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| 03:04.06 | ZorbaTHut | http://images.google.com/images?q=caddies there's really far more scantily clad and/or topless women in this than I'd expected (probably only with safesearch off) |
| 03:04.23 | Arrowmaster | i dont like the slot loading drives because it makes it harder for me to handle the disc while only touching the outside edge or the hole in the center |
| 03:04.39 | Jerub | my first computer cd experience had a caddy |
| 03:04.41 | ZorbaTHut | I was looking for a good image of a stereotypical golf caddie so I could cleverly and intentionally misinterpret jerub's comment, but really I'm just kind of entertained at the internet right now. |
| 03:04.42 | Jerub | and my first burner |
| 03:04.51 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut: if you expect anything more than all of it porn, you dont use it much |
| 03:05.16 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: umm...isnt that all you touch with tray drives? |
| 03:05.17 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, well, you expect porn out of some things and not out of others, y'know? |
| 03:05.25 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: here's a hint. |
| 03:05.39 | ZorbaTHut | I mean if I was searching for "bush tit" I'd probably expect to see not very many small birds |
| 03:05.45 | Jerub | when writing a little thing about how you've got your last exams this week, and you like to put an image in your articles. |
| 03:05.57 | Jerub | don't be tempted to google image serach for 'exam'. I suggest 'test' instead. |
| 03:06.05 | ZorbaTHut | but if I'm searching for "halo high scores" I am expecting very few dongs |
| 03:06.06 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut: no, not really |
| 03:06.37 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: yeah it is, but you cant grab a disc by the center hole when ejecting it from a slot drive |
| 03:07.38 | Thunder_Child | true enough Arrowmaster, but there is an art to it |
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| 03:18.47 | kd3 | a computer CD caddy? |
| 03:18.49 | kd3 | thinks back... |
| 03:19.07 | kd3 | middle school? end of the 90s? |
| 03:20.21 | Dagmar | THink, NEC 3X CDROM |
| 03:20.37 | Dagmar | http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/dynaweb_docs/hdwr/SGI_EndUser/books/PChall_XL_OG/sgi_html/figures/4-4.load.cd.in.caddy.gif |
| 03:20.39 | kd3 | I remember seeing one, I'm just trying todecide when |
| 03:20.50 | Dagmar | ...or, depending on which side of the office you're on, VAX optical disc caddy |
| 03:20.52 | kd3 | but yeah, that's what it looked like |
| 03:21.08 | Dagmar | Should have been early 90s to mid 90s. |
| 03:21.18 | Dagmar | Everyone figured out they were pointless pretty fast |
| 03:21.46 | Dagmar | Disc could get screwed up by a drive just as easily in a tray as in the caddy, because no one wanted to line the caddies with chamis cloth |
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| 03:24.53 | kd3 | so... first it was a dictionary including the definition of 'oral sex'. now it's anne frank |
| 03:24.55 | kd3 | ...again |
| 03:24.59 | kd3 | http://www2.starexponent.com/cse/news/local/article/ccps_pulls_explicit_text/51217/ |
| 03:26.18 | digmouse | Looks like I've been away from CD/DVD Drives for more than a year |
| 03:26.41 | digmouse | and my old Pioneer DVDROM was stuck in my old case :P |
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| 03:31.32 | kd3|hate`net | grr |
| 03:40.09 | digmouse | yep, got BC2 pc beta key |
| 03:40.21 | digmouse | I can reserve my money till march :D |
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| 03:48.34 | kd3 | oh wow. psychonauts for only $2 on steam |
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| 03:53.05 | Dagmar | yeah |
| 03:53.21 | Dagmar | I'm trying very hard to not buy that because "it's just two bucks" |
| 03:53.28 | Dagmar | ...and it's an awesome game |
| 03:55.06 | Jerub | digmouse: but .. uhh. burning crusade was released AGES ago. |
| 03:55.59 | digmouse | Dagmar: no you, I mean Bad Company 2 |
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| 03:56.27 | kd3|hate`net | grr again |
| 03:56.32 | Kraps | suspect that people in low level dungeons are mentally deficient |
| 03:56.40 | digmouse | oh no I said that to Jerub |
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| 04:17.09 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.30 | Nechckn | is trying to figure out the best digital download place for STO... |
| 04:18.09 | Nechckn | Only some offer the additional 500 "cryptic points" but I really don't want to pay extra to be able to d/l in the future as is included from steam and d2d |
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| 04:20.44 | kdtresh | hmmm, decisions decisions |
| 04:21.13 | kdtresh | to upgrade the wife's system or to gift mine to her and get a new one for me >< |
| 04:21.21 | cog|away | XD |
| 04:21.37 | Nechckn | Silly, kdtresh.... |
| 04:21.46 | Nechckn | That isn't a decision! Gift away! |
| 04:21.50 | kdtresh | i could probably upgrade her for 150 bucks |
| 04:22.01 | NightHawkTheSane | kdtresh: the latter, obviously |
| 04:22.01 | kdtresh | the cpu i'd have to get for me is 200 |
| 04:22.05 | Nechckn | Boo-hiss... unload yur old crap on her. |
| 04:22.17 | Nechckn | your, even. |
| 04:22.17 | Jerub | kdtresh: hehehe, i've always done it the other way around. |
| 04:22.19 | kdtresh | well, it's hardly crap, i'm on a core 2 quad 2.4ghz |
| 04:22.23 | Jerub | kdtresh: wife gets new system, i ge ther old one |
| 04:22.46 | kdtresh | she's on an athlon 64 3000+ (2.0ghz) system i built for her for christmas 2004 |
| 04:22.54 | Nechckn | Jerub Just as long as you do it while they are rather new. =) |
| 04:22.58 | kdtresh | single core, and she's struggling with it |
| 04:23.25 | Nechckn | I bet, singles are like 386s, anymore. |
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| 04:23.47 | Jerub | Nechckn: tee hee |
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| 04:24.32 | kdtresh | especially when she tries to photoshop some pictures while browsing the internet and loading wow >< |
| 04:25.23 | Nechckn | kdtresh ouch, indeed |
| 04:25.46 | kdtresh | so i'm probably looking at 150 bucks to upgrade her or 600 to get myself a new rig |
| 04:28.09 | Dagmar | So you're looking at buying a new computer, eg? |
| 04:28.13 | Dagmar | s/eg/eh/; |
| 04:29.02 | Dagmar | kdtresh: That's a 939 pin? |
| 04:29.29 | Dagmar | If it's AM2 you can probably spend like, $50, not $150 |
| 04:29.42 | Dagmar | feelin too lazy to go look up what it could be |
| 04:30.54 | kdtresh | it's not am2, it's socket 754 |
| 04:31.05 | kdtresh | not even 939 |
| 04:31.12 | kdtresh | 2004 was a long time ago, lol |
| 04:31.25 | kdtresh | pc3200 |
| 04:31.40 | kdtresh | agp video |
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| 04:33.59 | kdtresh | if i upgrade her, it will probably with a phenom or athlon 2 that can use ddr2 |
| 04:34.15 | kdtresh | i've got a few gigs of ddr2 hanging out, so it would just be cpu/mobo/video |
| 04:34.38 | kdtresh | i'd have to check her psu to see if it can handle it |
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| 04:50.09 | WobWork | http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/11/ilinguals-virtual-phrasebook-app-brings-us-closer-to-the-babel-fish/ |
| 04:50.12 | WobWork | that's kinda creepy =P |
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| 05:04.57 | kd3 | oh wow. commander keen's on steam |
| 05:05.02 | kd3 | waves goodbye to another $5 |
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| 05:05.37 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 05:05.50 | Dagmar | kd3: This is why I no longer window shop on Steam |
| 05:06.05 | kd3 | ya, I just closed the steam tab in fx |
| 05:06.48 | WobWork | I hope you've all bought Psychonauts |
| 05:07.04 | kd3 | for $2? yes. yes in deed |
| 05:07.35 | Dagmar | I am determined to resist. I already have it on PS3 |
| 05:07.53 | Dagmar | Or maybe the PS2. I can't remember. |
| 05:07.58 | WobWork | probably ps2 |
| 05:08.25 | Dagmar | Well, at least I don't have an Xbox anyore. That narrows it a bit |
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| 05:12.58 | kdtresh | i got all the commander keen i needed from doom2 |
| 05:13.12 | kdtresh | i think it was the wolfenstein level with the cyberdemon |
| 05:13.16 | Jerub | wonders if keen dreams would run on his android phone... |
| 05:13.21 | Jerub | nah, stupid java crap |
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| 05:17.42 | Karlkoolaide | (xii) That utilizes "Leet" or "Dudespeak" (e.g., "Roflcopter", "xxnewbxx", "Roxxoryou") |
| 05:17.45 | Karlkoolaide | lol |
| 05:17.57 | Karlkoolaide | u cant name ur guy like roflstomp or roflmao |
| 05:17.58 | Karlkoolaide | ? |
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| 05:22.25 | Cairenn | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/27/funny-pictures-video-bear-vs-kitteh/ |
| 05:27.21 | kd3 | sighs at his inbox |
| 05:27.36 | kd3 | entirely too many "Thank you for your purchase" receipts from steam in the past ~6 weeks |
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| 05:40.49 | Nechckn | Cairenn "lace cookies"!!!! |
| 05:40.56 | Cairenn | ? |
| 05:41.01 | Nechckn | For seriously.. check your local store |
| 05:41.29 | Nechckn | I pinged you with the description while you were off.. once second |
| 05:43.13 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.35 | Cairenn | mmm |
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| 05:44.34 | Nechckn | I may put on like 200 pounds from these things |
| 05:44.42 | Nechckn | They are like pure yummy |
| 05:45.04 | Nechckn | Weird at first, but after the first one, you are like - Why did I not think of this?!? |
| 05:49.14 | Trela | AWWWW! ;-; http://xkcd.com/695/ |
| 05:50.06 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 05:51.22 | Nechckn | Didn't see that one - it is awesome! |
| 05:51.55 | NightHawkTheSane | its tomorrows so it was probably posted in the last hour or so :P |
| 05:52.25 | kdtresh | that makes me want to cry |
| 05:53.36 | Nechckn | Bring a tear to your eye, did it? |
| 05:53.50 | kd3 | oh, wow |
| 05:54.34 | Nechckn | is waiting for the "Rescue Spirit Facebook Group" |
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| 05:56.10 | WobWork | ahaha |
| 05:56.10 | WobWork | http://www.daniweb.com/forums/thread221318.html |
| 05:57.07 | WobWork | aw Spirit =( |
| 05:58.20 | Nechckn | Cairenn I expect my group invite tonight! |
| 05:58.32 | Cairenn | to? |
| 05:58.39 | Nechckn | Poor Spirit, let's bring him home. |
| 05:58.49 | Nechckn | The facebook group to save Spirit, of course! |
| 05:58.55 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:02.56 | Kraps | whos spirit? |
| 06:03.07 | Nechckn | Kraps How can you not care?!?!?!? |
| 06:03.12 | Nechckn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.19 | Kraps | wut |
| 06:03.22 | Nechckn | http://xkcd.com/695/ |
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| 06:08.41 | Kraps | thats fucking depressing |
| 06:08.48 | kdtresh | cries. |
| 06:09.47 | Nechckn | See Nerds care! |
| 06:09.52 | Nechckn | Save Spirit!! |
| 06:10.12 | Nechckn | Heck.. I'll fly the ship, if needed. |
| 06:10.26 | Nechckn | Nice, what, 12-14 year vacation, round trip? |
| 06:10.40 | Nechckn | Think of the $$ sitting here at home when you get back |
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| 06:13.23 | Nechckn | Anyone have a link to the dancing peons in Org? They spell out some gold seller website |
| 06:13.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn: .. think of the built up rent... |
| 06:13.34 | Nechckn | Not the dead guys, but a whole gaggle |
| 06:13.50 | Nechckn | Pfft.. I'd rent out my house here. |
| 06:14.57 | Nechckn | Drop the ball and chain.. and fly away! |
| 06:15.11 | Nechckn | Anything to Save Spirit!! |
| 06:16.46 | Nechckn_ATSS | better |
| 06:19.54 | Jerub | Nechckn_ATSS: leaf.posterous.com/ has a few videos. |
| 06:20.07 | Jerub | they're also on my vimeo if you don't want to link to my blog. |
| 06:22.01 | Nechckn_ATSS | That is awesome, Jerub gracias!! |
| 06:22.47 | Nechckn_ATSS | Gives new meaning to multiboxing... |
| 06:23.41 | Jerub | yeah |
| 06:23.50 | Jerub | clearly they can script 100+ toons at once. |
| 06:24.03 | Nechckn_ATSS | That's not possible!! =) |
| 06:24.08 | WobWork | hehe, one of the girls in the office just almost yelled "Oh... shit. Shit Bro." |
| 06:24.08 | Nechckn_ATSS | j/k j/k of course |
| 06:24.09 | Jerub | it's the turning and saluting that really makes me freak out a bit |
| 06:25.06 | Jerub | i'm not sure if you can tell in that video, but they're simultaneously do the salute emote. |
| 06:26.09 | Nechckn_ATSS | pretty much - but that explains it more |
| 06:26.25 | Nechckn_ATSS | the turns, of course, but there was something else.. must have been the salute |
| 06:26.41 | Nechckn_ATSS | So much better than dead bodies, imnsho |
| 06:26.46 | Jerub | well, not really. |
| 06:26.58 | Jerub | they spam 100+ emotes to your chat window if you're near the AH in org |
| 06:27.17 | Nechckn_ATSS | bah... should have thm off, anyway! |
| 06:27.21 | Nechckn_ATSS | =P |
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| 06:43.23 | DWSR | holy. shit. |
| 06:43.27 | DWSR | Just finished ME2. |
| 06:43.50 | DWSR | And I promise I will do my best to not spoil it. |
| 06:43.52 | DWSR | Anyone else done it? |
| 06:49.09 | Nechckn_ATSS | lies.. you had like an hour of spoilers already! =) |
| 06:49.23 | Nechckn_ATSS | Congratulations, though - how long did it take, roughly? |
| 06:50.25 | DWSR | 23h |
| 06:50.39 | DWSR | And I played between 2/3 and 3/4 of the content, I imagine. |
| 06:51.23 | DWSR | Paragon and Renegade bars are both about half full. |
| 06:51.23 | DWSR | Had less than half of the upgrades thoug |
| 06:51.23 | DWSR | though* |
| 06:51.25 | DWSR | I want to know how the FUCK everyone is supposed to survive on the last mission\ |
| 06:55.14 | DWSR | And no, that's not a spoiler for anyone who's looked at the achievements list. |
| 06:57.27 | DWSR | I picked up Tali for my romance as well. |
| 06:57.34 | DWSR | I was disappointed with the scene. |
| 06:57.48 | DWSR | Though I haven't seen the other scenes to compare |
| 06:58.15 | Nechckn_ATSS | Hrm.. that is a bit short, but not all too bad. |
| 06:58.35 | Nechckn_ATSS | has not even finished 1, so dunno, yet. ;-) |
| 06:59.13 | DWSR | I just watched the Miranda scene. |
| 06:59.19 | DWSR | And yeah, I'm fucking disappointed with Tali's scene. |
| 06:59.23 | DWSR | Fucking cocktease. |
| 07:00.32 | Nechckn_ATSS | Sort of like DragonAge and its "Red Shoe Diary" porn |
| 07:00.46 | Nechckn_ATSS | or was she a total tease? |
| 07:01.19 | DWSR | Well. |
| 07:01.23 | DWSR | Miranda gets partly naked. |
| 07:01.30 | DWSR | Jack dry humps Shepard. |
| 07:01.37 | DWSR | Tali just....tackles shepard. |
| 07:01.40 | DWSR | You don't get to see her face. |
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| 07:02.30 | Nechckn_ATSS | Bah... boring. |
| 07:02.41 | DWSR | Yeah, the scenes from 1 were much better. |
| 07:03.15 | DWSR | Still, though, I dropped Miranda for Jack, then swapped to TAli. |
| 07:03.16 | DWSR | Tali* |
| 07:03.25 | Nechckn_ATSS | You stud! |
| 07:03.30 | DWSR | pretty much |
| 07:03.31 | Nechckn_ATSS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.38 | DWSR | I want to know what happens if you do one then the other. |
| 07:03.44 | DWSR | Actually, I lied. |
| 07:03.47 | DWSR | You can't do that in this game. |
| 07:03.50 | Nechckn_ATSS | Crabs? |
| 07:03.52 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:04.08 | DWSR | Anyway, yeah, I'm much more impressed with the story in this game. It's much more of a story. |
| 07:04.21 | DWSR | And they made a lot more possibilities, which I really really liked. |
| 07:04.41 | Nechckn_ATSS | Did you play.. um... whatever 2 that was out this year.. um... damnit. |
| 07:04.43 | Nechckn_ATSS | 1 sec |
| 07:04.59 | DWSR | Uncharted 2? |
| 07:05.18 | Nechckn_ATSS | Ah.. yeah! glad you got that from my crappy statement. |
| 07:05.26 | Nechckn_ATSS | That had an awesome story, I thought. |
| 07:05.34 | Nechckn_ATSS | Engaging and actually long, for a change. |
| 07:05.46 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 07:05.50 | Nechckn_ATSS | Sort of... kind of predictible, but cool. |
| 07:05.58 | DWSR | Mass Effect is about the length of HL2 episodes. |
| 07:06.11 | DWSR | I look at the ME trilogy as episodic in nature. |
| 07:07.08 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: from what ive heard youve got to do all the side missions for each party member and some other stuff in addition to sending them all the right places for the last mission |
| 07:08.06 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: From what I've seen, the only thing that I didn't do was have the right people in the right places. |
| 07:08.15 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Your equipment needs to be good, but not max'ed. |
| 07:08.54 | DWSR | And everyone needs to have their loyalty mission done |
| 07:09.45 | DWSR | The SR2 needs to be max'ed out though.\ |
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| 07:10.26 | DWSR | I tried that out. Purposely didn't research any of the ship techs (had all the resources to though), saved before jumping through |
| 07:10.30 | DWSR | Yeah, that's bad. |
| 07:10.35 | DWSR | SR2 techs are vital. |
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| 07:12.38 | DWSR | It's a really good game. |
| 07:13.04 | DWSR | Absolutely worth every penny I spent, just because I know that there's 24h worth of content for every replay I do. |
| 07:13.14 | DWSR | And I'll do at least 2 or 3. |
| 07:13.27 | DWSR | Just to max out shepard, get some of the achievements, try out a few different shepards. |
| 07:17.56 | Dagmar | Heh. Small delay on rescuing the babes... |
| 07:18.04 | Dagmar | Gotta make sure my car insurance is paid up |
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| 07:18.14 | Arrowmaster | i had 60+ hours on my ME1 save |
| 07:18.27 | DWSR | That's like 5 playthroughs, right? |
| 07:18.34 | Arrowmaster | no one |
| 07:18.40 | zenzio | I can't wait for WoW2, so I can carry over my 200-some days played |
| 07:18.41 | Dagmar | I'm thinking it might be bad to go out into Icy Hellworld tomorrow without a policy |
| 07:18.51 | Dagmar | zenzio: heheh |
| 07:19.25 | zenzio | only got ME2 yesterday... and I'll have to spend a portion of this weekend packing stuff to move >.< |
| 07:19.31 | Dagmar | I kinda liked the way EQ2 went about "your return" but I kept wanting to grab NPCs and say "WHERE'S MY GODDAMN TAXI ROBE!" |
| 07:19.43 | zenzio | hehe |
| 07:19.54 | DWSR | zenzio: It's much better than ME1. |
| 07:19.58 | DWSR | In just about every way. |
| 07:20.27 | Dagmar | Lecherous or not, when Miranda said she had a twin sister, my reaction was "Oh HELL yes" |
| 07:20.29 | zenzio | I liked what I saw so far |
| 07:20.36 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:20.59 | Dagmar | "Not only are you genetically engineered for superiorness... THERE'S TWO OF YOU?!?!" |
| 07:21.00 | DWSR | threesome with Japanese twins, check. |
| 07:21.04 | Dagmar | I'm like, why didn't she say that up front! |
| 07:21.05 | DWSR | indeed |
| 07:22.06 | DWSR | I wish the Justicar was a romance interest. |
| 07:22.11 | Arrowmaster | my dvd drive is getting noisy, hope its not dying |
| 07:22.12 | DWSR | That could have been rather interesting. |
| 07:22.28 | zenzio | rotational media tends to be noisy |
| 07:22.33 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Time to field strip it and clean it then |
| 07:22.34 | DWSR | INDEED |
| 07:22.48 | Dagmar | Noisy drives make coasters |
| 07:22.50 | DWSR | whoops |
| 07:23.14 | Dagmar | A vibrating laser and vibrating media make for sketchy burns |
| 07:24.11 | Arrowmaster | well im only trying to play dvds not burn them |
| 07:25.10 | Arrowmaster | im upto the last dvd of farscape season 3 |
| 07:27.42 | Nechckn_ATSS | I need to revisit Farscape... that was quite awesome. |
| 07:27.57 | Nechckn_ATSS | Sort of weird, but that made it have a charm that Lex was lacking, imnsho. |
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| 07:32.59 | DWSR | anyway, night all. |
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| 07:55.00 | Nechckn_ATSS | Ah ha... for anyone who was thinking of STO, for the "best" digital deal, along with basically unlimited future d/l, it looks like xfire is the best source. |
| 07:55.49 | Nechckn_ATSS | See http://us.xfirestore.com/pages/how_it_works for info - basically the same as Steam/D2D but they offer the Deluxe pack, with 500 points, that the others lack - or you need to pay extra to be ablet to d/l more than once. No joke! |
| 07:58.37 | Arrowmaster | with steam you can always download as many times as you want |
| 08:00.07 | Arrowmaster | what are these 'points'? |
| 08:00.52 | Elkano | what about the patcher? it can download as many times as you want, too, I think ^^ |
| 08:01.22 | Arrowmaster | "Customer's who pre-order Star Trek Online will also receive 500 Cryptic Points, which can be used to purchase in-game content like costumes, character enhancements, emblems and extra character slots." |
| 08:01.41 | Arrowmaster | sorry i have no intention of ever having anything to do with a game that uses such a system |
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| 08:02.54 | Elkano | well... microtransactions are the future... sadly... |
| 08:03.04 | Elkano | think of Blizzard's pet shop |
| 08:03.37 | Arrowmaster | yes and when enough of you fucking lemmings realize if you dont cave in theyll go away we can finally be rid of this marketing bullshit |
| 08:05.17 | Nechckn_ATSS | Well, you can either get them or not, for the same price. |
| 08:05.33 | Nechckn_ATSS | So... as a lemming with some sort of grey matter, I choose to get them. |
| 08:06.15 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I honestly don't think its' going to go away |
| 08:06.21 | Dagmar | The asians like it too much |
| 08:06.26 | Nechckn_ATSS | The difference is that the only other place that has the "extra" points is the Atari one and one other source. Both do not have unlimited downloads, which really, really suck! |
| 08:06.38 | Dagmar | ...and marketing people figure if they ram it down people's throats enough, eventually someone will swallow |
| 08:07.00 | Arrowmaster | except steam is the well established online distributor and the only one people actually like, and xfire's store is brand new afaik and could go up in flames |
| 08:07.13 | Dagmar | It's a "free" five bucks. |
| 08:07.22 | Dagmar | Not exactly a life-changing amount of money |
| 08:07.25 | Nechckn_ATSS | I have, and use Steam and D2D. |
| 08:07.38 | Nechckn_ATSS | But.. if they are giving them to you.. why not? |
| 08:08.00 | Dagmar | Cuz I have five bucks and Steam doesn't act like they're doing me a favor |
| 08:08.16 | Elkano | nechckn, like I said, keep the pathcer... worked for me in beta at least, will most likely work in retail, too... patched up from zero to full ^^ similar to GuildWars |
| 08:08.17 | Nechckn_ATSS | Neither does the xfire place |
| 08:08.21 | Arrowmaster | and steam doesnt have ads in its client |
| 08:08.22 | Dagmar | Valve is just _way_ ahead of the game on this |
| 08:09.58 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: short of ads for other games they want to sell :P |
| 08:10.30 | Arrowmaster | those are only on the startup |
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| 08:10.41 | Nechckn_ATSS | Was just saying for those who plan to get it, anyway. If you don't, then use what you like. Trying to make it a bit easier than having to dig around the 30 or so sites they list on the retailers. |
| 08:11.21 | Arrowmaster | are they even having a boxed version? |
| 08:11.24 | Nechckn_ATSS | Elkano Plan too.. it is just nice to be able to download from scratch - like Steam and D2D let you do, too - in the future. |
| 08:11.40 | Nechckn_ATSS | Yep, you can get that as well.. if you want to go to the store or pay shipping. |
| 08:11.54 | zenzio | http://punditkitchen.com/2010/01/28/political-pictures-che-guevara-dream-hoodie/ |
| 08:12.10 | Dagmar | huh |
| 08:12.21 | Arrowmaster | did CoH/CoV not have their client up for download like WoW does? |
| 08:12.53 | Dagmar | What's this "in the future" business |
| 08:13.17 | Dagmar | You can download STO from Steam right now |
| 08:13.27 | Nechckn_ATSS | The atari site is via Digital River - if youwant to re-download later, you need to pay them. |
| 08:13.39 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats just fucking stupid |
| 08:13.47 | Nechckn_ATSS | Correct, Steam has it, but does not have th 500 points, for the same price. |
| 08:13.52 | Dagmar | Hell, they even let you "pre-load" games before the release date, so when the absolute MINUTE the release is available you can just go *clik* and it unlocks. |
| 08:14.17 | Dagmar | No trip to the store, no messing about with UPS, nothing |
| 08:14.17 | Nechckn_ATSS | D2D, which also lets you do unlimited d/ls, has it too.. but no 500 points |
| 08:14.20 | Arrowmaster | an mmo that doesnt let you download the client for free is just bound for failure |
| 08:15.09 | Nechckn_ATSS | There is no saying they won't, but it is nice to have - and ridiculous to need to pay for, if you need to. |
| 08:15.22 | Nechckn_ATSS | That is the silliest crap, ever. |
| 08:15.32 | Arrowmaster | so why buy the game in the first place? |
| 08:16.17 | Nechckn_ATSS | The beta was fun up to where I got.. so why not? |
| 08:16.20 | Dagmar | Because you like to watch your video card struggle for no reason |
| 08:16.39 | nevcairiel | meh i didnt like STO much, seemed too much like a single player game |
| 08:16.41 | Dagmar | Nechckn_ATSS: I'll give it another look at in about six months--when they've had time to actually finish it |
| 08:16.43 | Nechckn_ATSS | Even if I get a month out of it.. it's worth the price per day. |
| 08:17.30 | Dagmar | Cryptic's really got a problem with releasing things while they're just in the second trimester, so to speak |
| 08:18.17 | Nechckn_ATSS | Besides, closed the WAR acct, so have room to play it. |
| 08:18.20 | Dagmar | STO looked to maybe be about eighteen months along at the _end_ of Open Beta |
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| 08:18.40 | Dagmar | When Open Beta started, I suspected Universal might sue them for dilution of their trademark |
| 08:19.15 | Nechckn_ATSS | I thought the space content was engaging and fun, so that is enough of a different thing, even if they don't fix the land gaps. |
| 08:19.23 | Dagmar | I liked shooting other ships. |
| 08:19.27 | Nechckn_ATSS | yep |
| 08:19.50 | Dagmar | I didn't like spending six hours in the middle of level 10 because I couldn't find ANY ground missions that you could actually *complete* |
| 08:20.16 | Dagmar | I kept blowing 35-45 minutes on them, finding out, oh ho... you can't actually beam up that ferengi pirate captain |
| 08:20.17 | Nechckn_ATSS | I mean, really... as with most MMOs and even many single players, it still needs something - but has enough, for the time I have available to play it, to be worth it. |
| 08:20.26 | Arrowmaster | so heres the million dollar question, does anybody have a clue what the endgame is? |
| 08:20.31 | Dagmar | >..or ho ho ho I got killed and it respawned me in the completely wrong instance with no way back |
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| 08:20.58 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: They let you buy your own set of orion slave girls for a private room on your ship |
| 08:21.22 | Nechckn_ATSS | The hard part is aiming for the right opening, without the teeth! |
| 08:21.34 | Dagmar | I know I wound up chucking all my bridge officers again and just replacing them with a set of green-skinned girls |
| 08:21.43 | Nechckn_ATSS | hehehe |
| 08:22.18 | Dagmar | They're seriously going to have to add more skimpy costumes |
| 08:22.35 | Dagmar | I mean, c'mon. No classic short skirts? |
| 08:22.38 | Dagmar | What was up with that? |
| 08:22.53 | Nechckn_ATSS | I think those are with the collector's addition. |
| 08:23.13 | Nechckn_ATSS | Something about another set of uniforms, anywhoo... |
| 08:23.16 | Dagmar | It's a game made after the show that was subtitled "The Amazing Captain Kirk and His Quest For Alien Bootay" |
| 08:23.42 | Dagmar | Nechckn_ATSS: Collector's Edition lets you get a freed borg costume |
| 08:23.50 | Dagmar | ...and the whole "costume" thing. |
| 08:24.08 | Dagmar | Let's be honest. They pillaged Champions Online to a degree I found a little creepy |
| 08:24.35 | Dagmar | 'spesh since some things, like the ability to sort Exchange listings by price are still not in there |
| 08:24.39 | Arrowmaster | is that game still going? |
| 08:24.45 | Dagmar | I really don't know. |
| 08:24.49 | Dagmar | I cancelled my account last month |
| 08:25.02 | Dagmar | The lack of things being fixed seemed to me to be a bad sign |
| 08:25.30 | Dagmar | Kind of a bummer because it was pretty amusing |
| 08:25.31 | Arrowmaster | the last mmo i purchased was original wow |
| 08:25.46 | Fisker | Arrowmaster my friend! |
| 08:26.03 | Nechckn_ATSS | Actually looking forward to StarWars and FFIV |
| 08:26.13 | Dagmar | The game had no problem with letting me put a black biker jacket, jeans and sneakers on my toon, and walk around with a small armada of killer robots, oh and an ORBITAL CANNON. |
| 08:26.26 | Dagmar | I poosh botton, everyone dies. yay! |
| 08:26.35 | Nechckn_ATSS | happy they are dropping most anyone from SWG for it, too. =) |
| 08:26.40 | Dagmar | And **rocket boots**! |
| 08:26.49 | Nechckn_ATSS | Lol.. sweet |
| 08:27.09 | Dagmar | Yeah Champions Online definitely had the "let you dress up and act a fool" thing down |
| 08:27.59 | Dagmar | They'll probably "fix" the orbital cannon thing tho |
| 08:28.00 | Arrowmaster | i dont know about FF14 but some of my friends were really into FF11, i almost got the game just from hearing them talk about it and the job system but that was when it was declining some so it didnt look like a good idea |
| 08:28.25 | Dagmar | It's clear your'e not really meant to start a fight with an attack that just murders everyone but the super villain |
| 08:28.34 | Dagmar | ...but stack your stats right and it's no problem at all |
| 08:29.00 | Nechckn_ATSS | FFXI was fun, did that from beta to about year 2 |
| 08:29.36 | Nechckn_ATSS | and that was on the PS2! |
| 08:29.56 | Nechckn_ATSS | Hard drive was hard to resist at the time =) |
| 08:30.21 | Nechckn_ATSS | It actually worked without a hitch, which was pretty impressive. |
| 08:30.33 | Arrowmaster | unless something goes horribly wrong i think ill be getting SWTOR |
| 08:30.51 | Dagmar | Would that "something" include "letting Sony manage it"? |
| 08:31.20 | Nechckn_ATSS | FFIV is dumping SOE |
| 08:31.31 | Dagmar | Good for them |
| 08:31.33 | Nechckn_ATSS | and... pretty sure SW is too. |
| 08:31.36 | Arrowmaster | FFXIV |
| 08:31.53 | Nechckn_ATSS | FOURTEEN, so very sorry. |
| 08:32.07 | Dagmar | I mean, as far as "bribe the GM" problems go, the SWG expac that added space combat really took the cake |
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| 08:32.21 | Arrowmaster | SWTOR is being made by bioware which is owned by EA, sony will never touch it |
| 08:32.23 | Dagmar | I had been playing for about three months, literally as a space farmer |
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| 08:32.43 | Dagmar | The *first night* of flying around and shooting people down, I more than doubled my toon's fortune |
| 08:32.58 | Nechckn_ATSS | I was just about to try SWG, when that whole money transformation went through. |
| 08:33.54 | Nechckn_ATSS | So... decided against it, since so many thought it was a bad idea. Would have liked to just see some of it, but oh well. |
| 08:34.52 | Dagmar | Oh lord did you see the Zero Punctuation review on Bayonetta? |
| 08:34.55 | Dagmar | *heheh* |
| 08:35.27 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:35.51 | Arrowmaster | am i not going to like it? |
| 08:36.01 | Dagmar | I'm sure my gf might get mad if I bought it, but it's completely over the top gratuitious T&A |
| 08:36.12 | Arrowmaster | its a fun game |
| 08:36.23 | Arrowmaster | amazing combat |
| 08:36.24 | Dagmar | His review is hilarious |
| 08:38.03 | Dagmar | It really does seem like a game that separates the men from the boys who can't remember their own names in the presence of a stripper |
| 08:39.57 | Arrowmaster | ok hes wrong about the QTEs i never had an issue with missing them |
| 08:40.03 | Dagmar | I bought Rumble Roses XX on the basis of "Well, if they went to all this trouble" and was suprised to find out it's a decent wrestling game |
| 08:40.07 | Arrowmaster | ohhh |
| 08:40.12 | Arrowmaster | he played it on the ps3 |
| 08:40.17 | Arrowmaster | i feel sorry for him now |
| 08:40.54 | Arrowmaster | even the ps3 fanboys are saying to get bayonetta on the 360 if youve got both consoles |
| 08:40.58 | Dagmar | I suspect there's a reason he missed them |
| 08:42.26 | Arrowmaster | i installed the game to my 360 harddrive and the loading times are so fucking short that you cannot even pull off a single combo in the practice stage loading screen (its kinda like AC/AC2 i guess but fully decked out as a practice stage) |
| 08:43.02 | Arrowmaster | but you can just press the back button and it wont automatically leave the practice stage once its done loading |
| 08:43.34 | Dagmar | I think when you get to the end of the review you'll figure out why he maybe had issues |
| 08:43.46 | Wobin | pallytank skill acronymed to RD? |
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| 08:44.45 | Arrowmaster | ok am i the only person that doesnt have issues following game storylines? |
| 08:45.17 | Arrowmaster | bayonetta made sense to me, MW2 made perfect sense to me even though everybody is still saying it doesnt |
| 08:46.21 | Nechckn_ATSS | What was wrong with MW2? |
| 08:46.21 | Dagmar | You can probably handle a complex plot |
| 08:46.40 | Arrowmaster | Nechckn_ATSS: to me, nothing at all |
| 08:46.56 | Dagmar | Righteous Defense |
| 08:47.01 | Arrowmaster | but the rest of the world doesnt seem to have a clue what happened |
| 08:47.10 | Nechckn_ATSS | Lol... okay... |
| 08:47.28 | Arrowmaster | like why shepard did what he did |
| 08:47.35 | Wobin | Dagmar, ta |
| 08:47.38 | Nechckn_ATSS | I really have not noticed, but I thought it was a bit under 1 but it was still okay overall. |
| 08:47.58 | Wobin | bah stupid pallies |
| 08:48.23 | Arrowmaster | well people dont play the game for the subplots talked about between missions |
| 08:48.28 | Wobin | wtb other tank ability to pull aggro from friendly targets that's on a 8sec cooldown |
| 08:48.50 | Arrowmaster | the plot is just there to make the dramatic sequences exciting and make sense |
| 08:49.31 | DJJeff | Since latest GearScore.... its not showing up in Recount anymore? |
| 08:49.36 | Nechckn_ATSS | Well.. that is why games take me like months, I guess. |
| 08:49.59 | Nechckn_ATSS | The plot/story is what makes them interesting to me.. not so much mashing A or whatever. |
| 08:49.59 | Fisker | good riddance? |
| 08:52.23 | batrick | rage up fiskerface |
| 08:52.23 | Dagmar | Wobin: Roll a hunter |
| 08:52.41 | Wobin | Dagmar, that's not a taunt =P |
| 08:52.50 | Dagmar | Distracting Shot. |
| 08:53.04 | Dagmar | Last six seconds, 8 second cooldown. |
| 08:53.05 | Wobin | yes, but you still have to target the mob |
| 08:53.15 | Wobin | RD you target the -player- |
| 08:53.19 | Dagmar | I don't think it would be a success tactic if that were an AoE |
| 08:53.43 | Dagmar | It would then be known as "the thing you hit before you use Deterrence" |
| 08:53.55 | Dagmar | or "New And Improved Graveyard Teleport" |
| 08:54.11 | Wobin | well, that's kinda why I want it on a non tank pally =P |
| 08:54.14 | Wobin | er |
| 08:54.16 | Wobin | non pally tank |
| 08:54.38 | Dagmar | Hmm... Dk's have plenty of things like that, but nothing quite that repeatable |
| 08:55.11 | Dagmar | Maybe if you stick two tanks on the back of a mammoth |
| 08:55.58 | Wobin | Dagmar, no we don't =P |
| 08:55.58 | Fisker | you don't need to target the player anymore Wobin |
| 08:56.20 | Wobin | Fisker, what, it's an aoe taunt with an 8sec cooldown? |
| 08:56.26 | Fisker | no |
| 08:56.40 | Fisker | just saying you don't have to target players anymore :P |
| 08:56.59 | Wobin | ? |
| 08:57.14 | Fisker | you can choose to either use it on the mob on the player |
| 08:57.24 | Wobin | yeah, and the player is easier |
| 08:57.30 | Wobin | cause their healthbar is right there =P |
| 08:57.31 | Fisker | it still only taunts a max of 3 targets |
| 08:57.35 | Fisker | true Wobin :P |
| 08:57.51 | Wobin | and you don't have to tabshift through a pack while watching Omen =) |
| 08:57.55 | Fisker | When people pull aggro more than once per 8 seconds i rage :D |
| 08:58.25 | Fisker | in heroics i don't bother though |
| 08:58.32 | Wobin | true |
| 08:58.36 | Wobin | if they pull, they can tank =P |
| 08:58.38 | Fisker | you aggro it, you tank it unless i have RD off cooldown |
| 08:58.59 | Fisker | holy wrath is my aoe taunt btw :P |
| 08:59.48 | Fisker | But actually Blizzard should give us an aoe taunt since they caved into QQ and "removed" one of our survivability tricks |
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| 09:00.01 | Wobin | hand of whatchamacallit? |
| 09:00.09 | Fisker | lay on hands |
| 09:00.32 | Fisker | We have Argent Defender, Divine Protection and had Lay on Hands |
| 09:00.41 | Fisker | other classes only have 2 tricks i believe |
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| 09:01.06 | Wobin | Feral regen and the healthboost for the druid |
| 09:01.23 | Wobin | Icebound Fortitude and armor boost for DK |
| 09:02.08 | nevcairiel | regen you cant really count, but we have barkskin |
| 09:02.17 | Mikk | regen you can count |
| 09:02.21 | Mikk | if you have glyph of frenzied regen |
| 09:02.28 | Mikk | = +20% heal while active |
| 09:02.30 | Mikk | or was it +30% |
| 09:02.38 | Fisker | well nerf druids then |
| 09:03.00 | Fisker | lay on hands were so damn awesome :( |
| 09:03.44 | Mikk | and fisker you can go stuff your QQing about LoH with your auto-lol-i-cant-die |
| 09:03.50 | Mikk | it's do imba for a raid tank it's not even funny :P |
| 09:04.00 | Mikk | do=so |
| 09:04.20 | Fisker | well if you have 2 prots you can still do it :P |
| 09:05.13 | Fisker | now i just have to get tiny abom on my pala |
| 09:05.25 | Fisker | some pala got it yesterday, but didn't want it |
| 09:05.29 | Fisker | then he gave it to a rogue |
| 09:05.36 | Fisker | and now i'm convincing him to give it to me :P |
| 09:06.49 | Mikk | in unrelated news, a guildie of mine has won three battered hilts in just over a week |
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| 09:06.58 | Fisker | :E |
| 09:07.18 | Fisker | i was in a FoS yesterday and some DK said he had gotten 2 the last week |
| 09:07.19 | Mikk | she's using two herself. gave the third to my warrior alt =)) |
| 09:07.23 | Wobin | zomg, I forgot about barkskin |
| 09:07.44 | Fisker | he even said he didn't even queue up for the new heroics |
| 09:08.28 | Fisker | i did the new heroics for like 2-3 weeks on 3 characters |
| 09:08.33 | Fisker | seen it once |
| 09:08.39 | Wobin | same |
| 09:08.58 | Wobin | then I heard one of my guildies say he passed on one, cause he didn't know what it was for =( |
| 09:09.14 | Fisker | heh |
| 09:16.34 | VonhintenHOME` | Mikk, I've won 2 in the last couple weeks... quick 30k gold |
| 09:17.11 | zenzio | my only problem with the Battered Hilt is all the whining it generates on Trade every single time someone wants to sell oen |
| 09:17.13 | zenzio | *one |
| 09:20.22 | Nechckn_ATSS | As I take off for more sleep.. remember Spirit! |
| 09:20.34 | Nechckn_ATSS | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 09:20.37 | Nechckn_ATSS | ;-) |
| 09:21.21 | Fisker | i sold a glyph yesterday for 60g |
| 09:21.23 | Fisker | i feel dirty |
| 09:23.18 | Fisker | awww Nechckn_ATSS |
| 09:25.23 | Wobin | poor Spirit =( |
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| 09:47.10 | olafski | hey, army of the dead reduces damage taken too, maybe you should count that as a cooldown for DKs :) |
| 09:47.37 | olafski | Q. Is it a random drop or is it a guaranteed drop? |
| 09:47.38 | olafski | A. Much like Mimiron's head, one lucky player will be able to attain this incredible mount when the Lich King is defeated in his strongest form. |
| 09:47.44 | olafski | does that mean it will only drop once, or on every kill? |
| 09:48.16 | nevcairiel | sound like guaranteed every kill if the full hardmode is done |
| 09:48.35 | olafski | mkay |
| 09:48.47 | olafski | I've never seen a mimiron mount, figured it might only drop once |
| 09:49.26 | Kalroth | its 100% drop on Yogg with no watchers, yes |
| 09:49.33 | olafski | okay |
| 09:49.37 | nevcairiel | very few guilds manage to do it |
| 09:49.41 | olafski | so soon we'll be seeing loads of invincibles ,) |
| 09:49.44 | nevcairiel | so you wouldnt see many mounts of it |
| 09:49.56 | olafski | I gotta read up on lady deathwhisper I think.. or whatever the second boss in ICC is |
| 09:50.04 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: I don't think that is the issue, its more getting 24 people to do Ulduar today |
| 09:50.10 | olafski | saw my guild do it last night and some of the dps was only doing like 1200 dps, I wonder why that was ;P |
| 09:50.16 | Kalroth | Yogg+0 is pretty easy in ToC/ICC gear |
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| 10:25.47 | Adys | today's xkcd is really sad |
| 10:26.21 | Kalroth | ^^;; |
| 10:26.36 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 10:26.57 | Shirik | :( Adys |
| 10:28.30 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 10:28.31 | Fisker | :) |
| 10:28.38 | Shirik | no it is sad |
| 10:28.41 | Shirik | like your face |
| 10:28.42 | Shirik | HOHO |
| 10:28.43 | Fisker | :) |
| 10:28.57 | Fisker | you are a soulless monster Shirik |
| 10:29.06 | Shirik | I am |
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| 10:52.06 | Adys | gsoc 2010 calls started |
| 10:57.37 | Adys | gsoc 2010-wanna apply,talented student -plz help « Gephi |
| 10:57.52 | zenzio | gsoc? |
| 10:58.03 | Adys | google summer of code |
| 10:58.06 | zenzio | ah |
| 10:58.24 | nevcairiel | too bad i wont be a student anymore when it starts |
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| 12:13.21 | Adys | So some guy sent me a mail, he has trouble with an app |
| 12:13.27 | Adys | and the gmail ads: |
| 12:13.42 | Adys | More about... Annoying People » Most Annoying » HMM » |
| 12:14.20 | zenzio | lol |
| 12:25.19 | augustl | smoke_: buggy buffs? |
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| 12:48.09 | Adys | so I had an idea to piss off http://to./ |
| 12:48.31 | zenzio | do tell |
| 12:48.47 | Adys | make a chrome extension that uses different url shorteners or whatever |
| 12:48.55 | Adys | to have go://abc/ |
| 12:49.37 | Adys | defaulting to say, goo.gl, but i guess you could change it eg. go://3/foo for 3.ly |
| 12:52.51 | Kalroth | 1) its chrome 2) its not http:// |
| 12:54.55 | Adys | so? |
| 12:55.18 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/elephants.jpg |
| 12:55.41 | Adys | wtf? |
| 12:55.45 | Adys | how the hell did I laugh |
| 12:56.14 | Balreign | same here |
| 12:59.41 | zenzio | Cairenn would like that one |
| 13:00.28 | Kalroth | haha |
| 13:01.03 | Kalroth | Adys: if you already have to type go:// before typing where you want to go, then you're already 5 characters behind url shortners! |
| 13:01.30 | Kalroth | (because you dont have to type http:// in the location bar of [sane] browsers) |
| 13:09.14 | Adys | Kalroth: its not about typing it |
| 13:09.17 | Adys | its about clicking it |
| 13:09.44 | Kalroth | i knew it, you're a clicker |
| 13:11.47 | Adys | Kalroth: I knew it, you're a keyboard turner. |
| 13:11.58 | Kalroth | I actually am |
| 13:12.15 | Kalroth | They call me Ike "Keyboard" Turner |
| 13:12.25 | Kalroth | slaps Adys back on stage. |
| 13:12.41 | Adys | on stage, slaps kalroth in the back |
| 13:12.59 | Kalroth | coughs a loogie up. |
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| 13:36.58 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwychtGhhR1qamncgo1_500.jpg |
| 13:37.28 | Wobin | woo since that was firefox |
| 13:37.49 | Wobin | here's lynx: http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwwzc0K2Zf1qzahqco1_500.jpg |
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| 13:56.05 | zenzio | tickles Lopeppeppy |
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| 13:59.31 | Lopeppeppy | Morning deaer. |
| 13:59.34 | Lopeppeppy | *dear even |
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| 14:01.51 | Kraps | hai gusy |
| 14:03.00 | DJJeff | there is a patch next tuesday? |
| 14:03.34 | Kraps | possibly |
| 14:03.53 | Lopeppeppy | There's never an advance announcement of a patch day, DJJeff, so it's always "possible" |
| 14:03.55 | Kraps | S8 Arena would start then |
| 14:07.03 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: exceptionally rarely, there is, but hey, that's only relevant for OCD'ers like me :D |
| 14:07.50 | Lopeppeppy | Plan every week like there will be one, and you'll always be ready |
| 14:08.29 | Kraps | Ancilorn's cat http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7397/90902302.jpg |
| 14:09.14 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/12304233135-what-does-your-pet-do-when-you-play-wow.html |
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| 14:19.51 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 14:21.04 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtGSXMuWMR4&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:22.31 | bluspacecow | i see that and raise you |
| 14:22.32 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olqvB3HbhV0 |
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| 14:31.30 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
| 14:41.58 | Shirik | waves at Lopeppeppy |
| 14:45.11 | Lopeppeppy | Morning Shirik. |
| 14:46.49 | bluspacecow | \o |
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| 14:48.33 | Saint-N | <Thrae> Your testes are egg-shaped, because testes used to be ovaries before your gender was determined pre-birth. |
| 14:48.33 | Saint-N | <Thrae> All men started out with female sex organs until gender was specified. It explains a lot, eh? |
| 14:48.34 | Saint-N | <ckknight> we overcame adversity. |
| 14:48.52 | Saint-N | nerds! |
| 14:54.43 | Saint-N | http://xkcd.com/ |
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| 14:56.28 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
| 14:56.35 | Lopeppeppy | No disassemble Johnny 5. |
| 14:56.42 | Shirik | yeah I was :( earlier too |
| 14:57.09 | Shirik | (05:25:00) (Adys) today's xkcd is really sad (05:25:35) (Kalroth) ^^;; (05:25:50) (@Cairenn) ^^ (05:26:10) (@Shirik) :( Adys |
| 14:57.39 | bluspacecow | spoiler alert ! snape kills trinity with rosebud ! |
| 14:58.19 | Kraps | bluspacecow: old |
| 14:58.33 | bluspacecow | i is hitting the random button |
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| 14:59.01 | Ancu | wait...whos doing what to Johny 5? I haven't seen the second movie yet, they cant do anything to him! |
| 14:59.19 | bluspacecow | oh dear |
| 14:59.26 | bluspacecow | im afraid what they are doing is R rated |
| 14:59.33 | Ancu | lol |
| 15:00.01 | Ancu | I was talking to lopeppeppy and shirik :P |
| 15:01.13 | Lopeppeppy | I can't remember how they torture him in the second movie |
| 15:02.06 | Ancu | I mean in xkcd.....whatever that is |
| 15:02.25 | bluspacecow | with a long flight of stairs |
| 15:02.35 | bluspacecow | and a exposed power cord and a lake |
| 15:02.44 | Shirik | they didn't really torture him, he leaked battery fluid |
| 15:03.04 | Lopeppeppy | The comic is about the Mars rover, Ancu. Only the joke is about Johnny 5. |
| 15:03.44 | Ancu | :O I really need to get the second movie..... |
| 15:03.52 | Ancu | lopeppeppy: Oh? what comic is that? |
| 15:04.21 | Adys | Grammar quiz |
| 15:04.32 | Adys | "If it were you living here, you'd understand" |
| 15:04.35 | Adys | "If it was you living here, you'd understand" |
| 15:04.44 | Lopeppeppy | When the joke has to be explained, it's not funny Ancu. |
| 15:04.52 | bluspacecow | BEATI-FUL STEFA-NIE |
| 15:05.25 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, I go with "were" for the conditional, because it's reversible. "If you were living here, you would understand", but not "If you was living here, you'd understand" |
| 15:05.33 | Ancu | adys....was? |
| 15:05.45 | Adys | I'd also go with the conditional |
| 15:05.48 | Adys | er |
| 15:05.51 | Ancu | I think |
| 15:05.54 | Adys | with were because of the conditional |
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| 15:07.15 | Ancu | well...thats what I get for being a back woods mainah :( , lol |
| 15:09.40 | Ancu | heres a grammar quiz for you: a woman answers the phone and ask if she is Phyllis. What is the proper response assuming her name is Phyllis |
| 15:09.49 | Ancu | "This is her." |
| 15:09.49 | Ancu | "This is she." |
| 15:10.14 | Wobin | "Yes?" |
| 15:10.17 | bluspacecow | Yes you are Phyliss |
| 15:10.26 | bluspacecow | moshi moshi ? |
| 15:10.34 | Wobin | "Wei?" |
| 15:10.59 | bluspacecow | F**** telef****markets stop f****** CALLING ME !!! *hang up* |
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| 15:11.22 | bluspacecow | *slam phone for emphasis a few times* |
| 15:11.25 | Ancu | face palms |
| 15:11.49 | Ancu | its multiple choice, not fill in the blank |
| 15:11.50 | Mikk | Ancu: "This is she." ... i think |
| 15:12.01 | Mikk | but tbh "That's me" is prolly better =) |
| 15:12.05 | Wobin | eh |
| 15:12.11 | Wobin | "Yes?" covers it perfectly |
| 15:12.15 | Mikk | ;) |
| 15:12.16 | bluspacecow | *draws on box down the bottom* |
| 15:12.23 | bluspacecow | *pencils in own choice* |
| 15:12.24 | Wobin | or "Indeed" |
| 15:12.31 | bluspacecow | *ticks it* |
| 15:12.34 | Wobin | "You rang?" |
| 15:12.36 | Lopeppeppy | "This is Phylis" |
| 15:12.41 | Lopeppeppy | "I am Phylis" |
| 15:12.42 | Adys | "<> is she" is not a valid sentence structure |
| 15:12.45 | bluspacecow | "WHAATTTT !!!" |
| 15:13.09 | Lopeppeppy | What's with the grammar this morning? |
| 15:13.18 | Mikk | DEY TEWK ARR JERRRBS! |
| 15:13.19 | Ancu | mikk: If my 6th grade teacher is to be believed, "This is she" is correct. |
| 15:13.24 | bluspacecow | idk |
| 15:13.30 | Mikk | Ancu: yeah i seem to remember soemthing along those lines too |
| 15:13.35 | Mikk | but it really does sound ass-backwards |
| 15:13.42 | Ancu | lol, I know |
| 15:13.48 | Lopeppeppy | Some formal grammar does sound stupid, but there you go. |
| 15:14.12 | Ancu | and I have heard far to much about those darned GOBAGS already today! |
| 15:14.16 | ckknight | let's drop English and switch to Esperanto |
| 15:14.21 | ckknight | it has a determinite grammar |
| 15:14.28 | Mikk | also lacks several forms |
| 15:14.30 | ckknight | Kiel vi fartas, Lopeppeppy? |
| 15:14.38 | ckknight | :P |
| 15:14.53 | Adys | fartas uponis ckknight |
| 15:14.57 | Lopeppeppy | smacks ckknight on general principle. |
| 15:15.07 | ckknight | no, not principle! |
| 15:15.19 | Mikk | "kiel vi fartas? how are you? (Literally, how do you fare?)" |
| 15:15.26 | ckknight | yep |
| 15:15.44 | ckknight | Mi fartas bone. |
| 15:15.51 | Mikk | and someone needs to shoot whoever came up with the idea to build a universal language |
| 15:15.52 | Mikk | and then |
| 15:15.57 | Mikk | put accented letters in it |
| 15:16.05 | Adys | yeah Mikk |
| 15:16.08 | Ancu | 0_o |
| 15:16.08 | Adys | that was retarded |
| 15:16.12 | Adys | lojban > * |
| 15:16.30 | Ancu | THEY TERKERJERRRBS |
| 15:17.25 | Mikk | The 28-letter alphabet is: a b c Ä d e f g Ä h Ä¥ i j ĵ k l m n o p r s Å t u Å v z |
| 15:17.27 | Mikk | I MEAN COME ON |
| 15:17.51 | Mikk | "lol i liek funny looking letters imma gonna use all i can think of!" |
| 15:17.52 | ckknight | Mikk: yea, but at least you can use cx instead of Ä |
| 15:18.20 | Ancu | ummmm, JERRRRB THEY TUK |
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| 15:18.39 | ckknight | eh, I think it makes sense to separate the "ch" sound from other characters |
| 15:18.45 | Adys | ~esperanto-- |
| 15:18.50 | ckknight | lol |
| 15:19.22 | Adys | you can use greek letters if you're not happy with the basic 24 |
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| 15:21.13 | Mikk | ~adys++ |
| 15:21.33 | Ancu | III and IIV would be equal if you consider the logic of it |
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| 15:22.35 | Ancu | if you have a smaller symbol before the larger one, it is considered larger symbol - smaller symbol |
| 15:23.14 | Wobin | Ancu, ... what? |
| 15:23.25 | zenzelezz | I = 1, V = 5 |
| 15:23.27 | zenzelezz | IV = 5 -1 |
| 15:23.28 | Wobin | why do you use IIV? |
| 15:23.33 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.36 | Mikk | AMAGAAAD |
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| 15:23.40 | zenzelezz | wait, what? IIV? |
| 15:23.45 | Wobin | exactly |
| 15:23.58 | DWSR | Morning. |
| 15:24.01 | Ancu | so if you put 2 smaller symbols before a large symbol, it follows logic that you would subtract all preceding smaller symbols from the larger one |
| 15:24.06 | zenzelezz | no |
| 15:24.12 | zenzelezz | because you only use one smaller symbol |
| 15:24.12 | Wobin | your logic is not roman logic =P |
| 15:24.13 | Ancu | so there fore, III=IIV |
| 15:24.20 | Mikk | Ancu: If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong. |
| 15:24.22 | DWSR | Ancu: No. |
| 15:24.27 | Wobin | therefore IIIIIV = 0 |
| 15:24.27 | zenzelezz | there's a reason we have VIII and no IIX |
| 15:24.35 | Wobin | and thus stupid |
| 15:24.37 | Mikk | Wobin: Fail. Romans didn't have 0. |
| 15:24.43 | Wobin | that's my point =P |
| 15:24.46 | Mikk | doh =) |
| 15:24.50 | Ancu | no, they dont mikk |
| 15:24.52 | DWSR | Wobin: Except for IIV doesn't exist. |
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| 15:24.56 | Wobin | yeah |
| 15:25.00 | DWSR | The rules for roman numerals expressly prohibit that. |
| 15:25.03 | Wobin | which is why I was wondering why Ancu brought it up |
| 15:25.08 | DWSR | III != IV. |
| 15:25.09 | DWSR | err. |
| 15:25.12 | DWSR | III != IIV* |
| 15:25.13 | Mikk | quite! |
| 15:25.28 | DWSR | The rules are that you cannot have more than 3 of any one numeral together. |
| 15:25.33 | Mikk | blames Ancu for filling #WoWUIDev with nonsense |
| 15:25.35 | Mikk | ~Ancu-- |
| 15:25.41 | Wobin | VX? |
| 15:25.42 | DWSR | VVVI is IVX. |
| 15:25.49 | DWSR | Wobin: Yes. |
| 15:26.00 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: VVVI is XVI |
| 15:26.02 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 15:26.10 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Oh right, sorry. |
| 15:26.15 | DWSR | god damnit, been a while. |
| 15:26.26 | DWSR | I *used* to know them all, grandfather taught them all to me,\ |
| 15:26.26 | Gnarfoz | I like analogue clocks that have IIII on them |
| 15:26.30 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 15:26.46 | Wobin | cause people get confused with IV |
| 15:26.46 | Ancu | I only bring it up to be proved wrong of coarse, and to be told what is correct |
| 15:26.48 | Gnarfoz | well, ancient greek class, woot |
| 15:26.56 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: right, but they have IX for 9, anyway :P |
| 15:27.09 | Gnarfoz | Ancu: that's what we do here, heh |
| 15:27.11 | Wobin | Well, I never said people were -logical- about their ignorance =) |
| 15:27.28 | DWSR | Is it IXX or XIX for 19? |
| 15:27.36 | Gnarfoz | XIX |
| 15:27.40 | DWSR | Yeah, thought so. |
| 15:27.53 | Gnarfoz | \ |
| 15:27.56 | Gnarfoz | whoops |
| 15:28.04 | DWSR | XIV is 14, and so forth. |
| 15:28.05 | Ancu | wow....that throws my logic in the crapper |
| 15:28.20 | Gnarfoz | \o/ using Windows XP Mode for an Oracle test install |
| 15:28.33 | Wobin | Ancu, try learning the roman numerical logic instead of rolling your own =P |
| 15:28.38 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 15:28.44 | Ancu | it makes sense that XIX is 19, but I was thinking that IXX was 19...which makes no sense... |
| 15:28.51 | DWSR | Ancu: No. |
| 15:28.55 | DWSR | Largest to smallest. |
| 15:29.02 | DWSR | And then you use your operators on the last one of that set. |
| 15:29.09 | DWSR | So MCM is 1900. |
| 15:29.31 | DWSR | I think |
| 15:29.39 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 15:29.44 | amro | MM is delicious |
| 15:29.53 | DWSR | amro: Correction: Sandvich is delicious |
| 15:30.07 | DWSR | And perfect fuel for killing tiny cowards. |
| 15:30.21 | Wobin | http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/438/why-do-clocks-with-roman-numerals-use-iiii-instead-of-iv |
| 15:30.49 | Gnarfoz | crap |
| 15:31.13 | Gnarfoz | where do I get the password for the "XPMUser" user for win7/virtualpc XP Mode? :\ |
| 15:31.34 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: You need to do some administrative stuff? |
| 15:32.12 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: yes... or rather, I'm not even sure if I should be looking for *that* user's pw, or simply create an admin account |
| 15:32.18 | Wobin | Gnarfoz, 12345? |
| 15:34.02 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Is XPMUser a W7 account? |
| 15:34.11 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: no, it's in the vm |
| 15:34.17 | DWSR | Oh, right, sorry. |
| 15:34.23 | DWSR | XPMode is a VPC instance. |
| 15:34.27 | DWSR | Should just be blank. |
| 15:34.40 | Gnarfoz | yeah, a pre-configured winxp sp3 thingy w/ integration features |
| 15:34.48 | Gnarfoz | hm yeah, google says blank, too |
| 15:34.51 | Gnarfoz | *tries* |
| 15:35.08 | Gnarfoz | osUserPassword - This field must be specified |
| 15:35.10 | Gnarfoz | fuckersss |
| 15:35.15 | Fisker | owned |
| 15:35.15 | Fisker | fucker |
| 15:35.25 | Fisker | suck on my chocolate salty baaaaaalls |
| 15:35.40 | Gnarfoz | well, tbh, who'd realistically expect an admin account on a database server to be passwordless |
| 15:35.41 | DWSR | DEEZ::NUTS |
| 15:35.43 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 15:35.51 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: If you're running inside a VM, actually... :P |
| 15:36.01 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: hm? |
| 15:36.21 | Fisker | i fart on you Gnarfoz |
| 15:36.28 | DWSR | I, personally, work under the philosophy that VMs are useful for sandboxes and not much else. |
| 15:36.41 | DWSR | So, if you're running something important, like a database server, under a VM, it's probably a test server. |
| 15:36.53 | DWSR | Meaning it makes perfect sense for any number of passwords to be blank. |
| 15:36.55 | Gnarfoz | it is, I'm training for my OCP cert |
| 15:36.58 | Gnarfoz | well, yes |
| 15:37.13 | Gnarfoz | but tell that to the Oracle numbnuts who wrote this Enterprise Manager thingy :P |
| 15:37.17 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: So, since you're running in a VM, that question is kinda silly. :P |
| 15:37.48 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: it's like you're saying "well, it should know it's a test server!" |
| 15:38.22 | Gnarfoz | (also, people use virtualized servers for production use all over the place, get with the times - that's an entire other discussion tho :P) |
| 15:38.23 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Isn't that called "debugging mode"? |
| 15:38.23 | DWSR | ;) |
| 15:38.40 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: virtualizing a server is a *little* different than a VM. :P |
| 15:38.43 | Gnarfoz | who's debugging anything :\ |
| 15:38.55 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: how so? *starts terminology battle* |
| 15:38.59 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:39.35 | DWSR | I should go, but virtualizing your servers usually requires a hyperviser, which running inside a VBox/VPC does not have. |
| 15:39.44 | DWSR | iirc, anyway |
| 15:40.10 | Gnarfoz | that would just mean *every* OS on the machine is (or can be) virtualized, right? |
| 15:41.06 | nevcairiel | a good supervisor runs directly on some "mini" OS, and all real OS'es are virtualized, yes. |
| 15:41.20 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 15:41.24 | Gnarfoz | supervisor? what's that supposed to be now :o |
| 15:41.27 | nevcairiel | eh, now i say supervisor again |
| 15:41.31 | nevcairiel | hypervisor of course |
| 15:41.33 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Hypervisor |
| 15:41.37 | nevcairiel | that happens to me last week already :P |
| 15:41.49 | nevcairiel | s/s/d/ |
| 15:41.56 | DWSR | fail. |
| 15:41.58 | Gnarfoz | well, what's a hypervisor more than just a small OS managing VMs? |
| 15:42.38 | nevcairiel | nothing |
| 15:42.59 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 15:43.05 | DWSR | It's usually very specialized. |
| 15:43.42 | DWSR | though, the hypervisor can actually be at the kernel level. |
| 15:43.46 | Gnarfoz | so you're saying because the super/hypervising OS is 5000 times the size, it's not virutalization anymore? |
| 15:43.49 | nevcairiel | they usually call it type 1 or type 2 hypervisors, type 1 runs on hardware, so comes with its mini OS, and type 2 runs on a full blown OS |
| 15:44.10 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: No, you're not using a hypervisor at all. |
| 15:44.12 | nevcairiel | like, latest windows server comes with a hypervisor now |
| 15:44.23 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: note my use of the slash. :P |
| 15:44.31 | DWSR | It's not supervising. |
| 15:44.33 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: isn't that wrong? |
| 15:44.43 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: shouldn't it be "runs under a hypervisor"? |
| 15:44.43 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 15:44.47 | DWSR | No. |
| 15:45.05 | nevcairiel | windows server runs as normal, and then a hypervisor can emulate other stuff |
| 15:45.15 | nevcairiel | a Type 1 hypervisor needs to implement alot of hardware drivers |
| 15:45.15 | Ancu | Has anyone else read MNT Gadian? |
| 15:45.28 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: how is VirtualPC not supervising the VMs it runs? :\ |
| 15:45.32 | nevcairiel | so some don't do that and ship a Type 2 that relys on hardware |
| 15:45.38 | nevcairiel | eh |
| 15:45.43 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Apparently VPC and VBox are Type 2 hypervisors. |
| 15:45.44 | nevcairiel | relys on the OS to provide drivers |
| 15:46.00 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: So, I will refine my earlier statement. |
| 15:46.15 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: so Win2008R2 would be type 2, too? |
| 15:46.23 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 15:46.28 | DWSR | Virtualizing your servers in a corporate production environment (i.e. mission critical) usually involves Type 1 hypervisors. |
| 15:46.40 | DWSR | The shit in W2k8S is just VPC. |
| 15:46.47 | nevcairiel | its more advanced then vpc |
| 15:46.47 | Gnarfoz | "shit", right |
| 15:47.08 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Not by much |
| 15:47.09 | nevcairiel | it offers proper para-virtualization if you have a driver for that |
| 15:47.11 | Gnarfoz | also, name one of those type 1 thingys? is Xen one? |
| 15:47.20 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: not like VPC doesn't do that either oO |
| 15:47.20 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 15:47.21 | nevcairiel | Xen, VMWare ESX |
| 15:47.44 | DWSR | What's the difference between ESX and ESXi anyway? |
| 15:47.57 | Gnarfoz | and: is Workstation any different? :P |
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| 15:49.01 | Ancu | I hate interlace....Iwould rather it load from to to botom that load the whole thing blurry then in focus |
| 15:49.26 | DWSR | Was that English? ;) |
| 15:49.33 | nevcairiel | The most important advantages from Hyper-V over VPC are the live migration and cluster possibilites, anyway |
| 15:49.50 | Ancu | I'm probably the only one that feels this way, but... |
| 15:49.50 | Gnarfoz | Hyper-V... isn't that some Intel brand thing |
| 15:50.04 | Ackis | ~seen Kaelten |
| 15:50.05 | purl | kaelten is currently on #waruidev #sc2mapster #wowprogramming #wowuidev #arl #wowace #curseforge. Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 7m, last said: 'wish I could mate'. |
| 15:50.09 | nevcairiel | Hyper-V is the Hypervisor in Win2008 |
| 15:50.09 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: No. |
| 15:50.13 | Ackis | my life is fullfilled |
| 15:50.27 | Ancu | dwsr: I cant spell dang nabit, I was taught to read phonetically |
| 15:50.40 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Oh, 2k8S has Hyper-V? |
| 15:50.50 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz: you might be thinking of VT-x |
| 15:51.10 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: possibly. that's the hardware extensions for virtualization, right? |
| 15:51.14 | DWSR | that can't be right, Hyper-V is a type 1 hypervisor. That means that 2k8 is actually running underneath a hypervisor already, even if you don't want/use any virtualisation options. |
| 15:51.14 | Ackis | apparently he wants to mate! |
| 15:51.14 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 15:52.06 | Gnarfoz | btw: Wikipedia lists Hyper-V, VMWare (both workstation and server) and VirtualPC (and others) in the same sentence, under "full virtualization" (i.e. able to run unmodified guest OS's) |
| 15:52.26 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: No it doesn't. |
| 15:52.30 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: sure does |
| 15:52.32 | nevcairiel | DWSR: as i understand, once you install it integrates itself deep in the OS |
| 15:52.33 | DWSR | I'm looking at the page on Hypervisors right now. |
| 15:52.35 | Gnarfoz | Examples outside the mainframe field include Parallels Workstation, Parallels Desktop for Mac, VirtualBox, Virtual Iron, Oracle VM, Virtual PC, Virtual Server, Hyper-V, VMware Workstation, VMware Server (formerly GSX Server), QEMU, Adeos, Mac-on-Linux, Win4BSD, Win4Lin Pro, and Egenera vBlade technology. |
| 15:52.40 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Deep into the OS is still Type 2. |
| 15:52.48 | nevcairiel | DWSR: not if it replaces the kernel =P |
| 15:52.59 | nevcairiel | also i never read anywhere that they call it a Type 1 |
| 15:52.59 | Gnarfoz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_virtualization *shrug* |
| 15:53.01 | DWSR | good point. |
| 15:53.06 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervisor |
| 15:53.19 | Gnarfoz | well, using wikipedia won't help us out, anyway :P |
| 15:53.26 | Ackis | anyone on facebook want to click http://apps.facebook.com/starfleet_commander/?ref_id=512851685&ref_type=link then click add then close your browser/tab :P |
| 15:53.28 | nevcairiel | "Full Virtualisation" has nothing to do with what we talked about until now, fwiw |
| 15:53.34 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 15:53.49 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: is that so? :< |
| 15:53.53 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 15:54.24 | Gnarfoz | however: what's the point/difference? |
| 15:54.27 | nevcairiel | When someone speaks about virtualisation these days, you can usually assume that its full virtualisation, as anything else is weird |
| 15:54.35 | Gnarfoz | both styles have the same amount of technical possibilities |
| 15:54.54 | Kaelten | ~lart Ackis |
| 15:54.54 | purl | steals Ackis's mojo |
| 15:55.03 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:55.05 | Gnarfoz | (w/ hardware paravirtualization support like VT and whatever AMD's is called) |
| 15:55.07 | DWSR | ~lart ~lart |
| 15:55.07 | purl | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps ~lart |
| 15:55.13 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: AMD-V |
| 15:55.22 | Gnarfoz | how imaginative |
| 15:55.26 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 15:55.43 | nevcairiel | Hardware virtualization is just a hardware powered form of full virutalisation, there isnt really a distinction |
| 15:55.52 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: If you're talking about virtualisation, as nevcairiel said, you're talking about full virtualisation. |
| 15:56.05 | DWSR | There used to be a time when there was a distinction, but there isn't anymore. |
| 15:56.07 | nevcairiel | also on that page is partial virtualisation |
| 15:56.36 | nevcairiel | thats basically what windows does when running 16-bit apps |
| 15:56.50 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 15:56.51 | nevcairiel | it emulates 16bit adresse spaces, and stuff like that |
| 15:57.07 | Gnarfoz | I'm sad that mine doesn't do that anymore :( |
| 15:57.09 | DWSR | Also, some mid-range enterprise grade servers. |
| 15:57.47 | Gnarfoz | x64 versions of Windows only have WoW64 (no, that's not World of Warcraft :P), no ntvdm anymore, afaik |
| 15:58.06 | DWSR | yep. |
| 15:58.33 | nevcairiel | i don't think i have a 16-bit app anymore to test =P |
| 15:58.45 | DWSR | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/282423 |
| 15:58.56 | DWSR | Nothing except for 16-bit installshield or acme installers, apparently. |
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| 16:00.22 | Gnarfoz | I love it -.- |
| 16:00.28 | Gnarfoz | it just won't accept any user |
| 16:00.28 | DWSR | ? |
| 16:00.32 | DWSR | lol |
| 16:00.56 | Gnarfoz | create a new one, enabled the normally disabled "Administrator" account, nothing works, it just says "wrong password for user" -.- |
| 16:00.56 | cog|away | anyone else with a droid... does yours lie about having a low battery from time to time? Mine was complaining about having <5% left all night and when i plugged it in it was at 60% >< |
| 16:01.29 | Ackis | these are not the droids you're looking for cogwheel |
| 16:01.33 | nevcairiel | where are we now that we can't even trust our phones anymore! |
| 16:02.05 | Ancu | lol |
| 16:02.13 | DWSR | The phone is a lie..........r... |
| 16:02.32 | Lopeppeppy | Cog, my crackberry lies about battery charge all the time, I never trust it. |
| 16:02.42 | cogwheel | it's a conspiracy! |
| 16:02.57 | Ancu | You guys ever read mnt gadian? I'm not usually into fan comics any more, but this one is excceptional |
| 16:02.58 | nevcairiel | maybe it loads really fast? |
| 16:03.12 | Hjalte | I just switched to from Firefox to Chrome dev channel. It seems like a nice browser now. It doesn't have any problems playing media for me anymore. |
| 16:04.05 | Ackis | I just searched for "pms" on twitter! :'( |
| 16:04.11 | DWSR | lol |
| 16:04.20 | Lopeppeppy | why? |
| 16:04.24 | Ackis | I wanted to see if clan pms was on there |
| 16:04.33 | Adys | Hjalte: chrome wins |
| 16:04.41 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. "cause I'll answer all your PMS questions right here, you know, for free even. |
| 16:04.54 | Ackis | i have a fiance that answers them too! |
| 16:04.58 | Ackis | it's amazing |
| 16:05.12 | Ackis | ~comfort Lopeppeppy |
| 16:05.13 | purl | There, there, Lopeppeppy. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:05.43 | Ackis | nah the year I was at blizzcon the clan pms chick duder from there ended up sitting down with chantelle and I and chatting for a bit, was interesting |
| 16:06.37 | cogwheel | ME. Chantelle and ME. Wolud you have said "ended up sitting down with I?" Well, maybe... but that would be wrong too!!!! </grammarnazi> |
| 16:06.56 | cogwheel | *grumbles at the overcorrection towards "and I"* |
| 16:06.59 | DWSR | cogwheel: urdoingitwrong. |
| 16:07.03 | mikma | your asshole!!111 |
| 16:07.12 | DWSR | your a asshole* |
| 16:07.13 | DWSR | fixt* |
| 16:07.19 | Seerah | actually... *shouldn't* it be "I"? |
| 16:07.22 | Ackis | cogwheel: I didn't capitalize Chantelle either :P |
| 16:07.25 | Seerah | ...no... |
| 16:07.27 | Seerah | myself |
| 16:07.31 | Seerah | Chantelle and myself |
| 16:07.34 | cogwheel | no |
| 16:07.41 | nevcairiel | imho "me" sounds the best, too! |
| 16:07.41 | cogwheel | myself is when you're talking abuot you doing something |
| 16:08.09 | cogwheel | if someone else is doing the action to/with/at/<preposition> you, you use "me" |
| 16:08.19 | Seerah | http://www.englishrules.com/writing/2005/me-myself-or-i.php |
| 16:08.28 | cogwheel | "I" is for when you are the one doing the action |
| 16:08.30 | DWSR | cogwheel: Actually, that's incorrect. |
| 16:08.33 | cogwheel | I did X to myself |
| 16:08.37 | cogwheel | She did X to me |
| 16:08.48 | DWSR | cogwheel: I went to the park. |
| 16:08.48 | cogwheel | She and I did X to him and her |
| 16:08.53 | DWSR | She and I went to the part. |
| 16:08.56 | cogwheel | yes |
| 16:09.07 | cogwheel | that's exactly what I said |
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| 16:09.31 | Lopeppeppy | I did X to everyone in the romo! |
| 16:09.33 | Lopeppeppy | *room |
| 16:09.40 | DWSR | You would, wouldn't you? |
| 16:09.50 | Lopeppeppy | On Tuesdays, sure. Today you're SOL. |
| 16:09.56 | DWSR | Damn. |
| 16:10.00 | DWSR | Can't we just pretend its Tuesday? |
| 16:10.11 | Lopeppeppy | No, we established the other day that I'm not a faker. |
| 16:10.22 | nevcairiel | that page Seerah posted has a nice advice, just eliminate the second noun from the sentence, and look how it sounds |
| 16:10.23 | DWSR | Except with bad partners. |
| 16:10.54 | Lopeppeppy | That was not discussed. |
| 16:11.06 | cogwheel | nevcairiel: hence the first question i asked in my initial rant ;) |
| 16:11.17 | DWSR | But you state that you are absolutely not a faker. |
| 16:11.40 | Lopeppeppy | And? |
| 16:11.40 | DWSR | So it is an absolute truth? Or just a general truth? |
| 16:12.53 | Lopeppeppy | Not seeing where you're going, and not about to walk into some stupid logic bomb. |
| 16:13.10 | DWSR | Damn. |
| 16:13.48 | DWSR | It's not stupid, just logical. |
| 16:13.54 | DWSR | [/vulcan] |
| 16:14.26 | Lopeppeppy | Logic can be extremely stupid. |
| 16:14.52 | Lopeppeppy | "Turn right here." Duh, okay. *drives into a lake* |
| 16:14.59 | DWSR | That would be illogical. |
| 16:15.00 | cogwheel | not really... the premise can be wrong |
| 16:15.03 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 16:15.21 | nevcairiel | So when we all wake up tomorrow we'll have a sparkling new IRCD for our enjoyment .. thats going to be a splitty morning, i should sleep in |
| 16:15.27 | Lopeppeppy | Done with logic bombs, kthx. |
| 16:15.34 | Gnarfoz | uhm okay, so |
| 16:15.39 | Gnarfoz | http://localhost:1158/em/console/logon/sdk/incompatible |
| 16:15.39 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Indeed. |
| 16:15.47 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: FAIL |
| 16:15.52 | DWSR | ~fail Gnarfoz |
| 16:15.53 | purl | Gnarfoz: FAIL! |
| 16:15.59 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: how is that my fault? oO |
| 16:16.04 | Gnarfoz | blame fucking Oracle Corporation |
| 16:16.07 | DWSR | You're posting a localhost link. |
| 16:16.09 | cogwheel | http://localhost |
| 16:16.17 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 16:16.35 | Gnarfoz | yes, I didn't expect you to click it, since I expected you to not be a moron |
| 16:16.38 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: that link doesn't work |
| 16:16.39 | Gnarfoz | (expectation met) |
| 16:16.48 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: expectation not met |
| 16:16.49 | cogwheel | didn't click it |
| 16:17.03 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: I almost clicked it, then I noticed the port number. |
| 16:17.06 | DWSR | then I noticed the host name. |
| 16:17.10 | Ackis | you expected me to not be a moron? |
| 16:17.11 | cogwheel | can't click it |
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| 16:17.21 | cogwheel | 'cause putty doesn't make urls clickable QQ |
| 16:17.23 | nevcairiel | seriously Gnarfoz, what did you expect |
| 16:17.26 | Gnarfoz | pasting the content of the page would have been multiline and blah etc |
| 16:17.28 | DWSR | cogwheel: Yes it does. |
| 16:17.37 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Pastebin. |
| 16:17.40 | DWSR | Nigga please. |
| 16:17.42 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: not worth the time. |
| 16:17.45 | cogwheel | DWSR: prove it? |
| 16:17.55 | Gnarfoz | because you can obviously gleam from the URL what I was going to say: |
| 16:17.58 | nevcairiel | default putty doesnt |
| 16:17.59 | DWSR | cogwheel: IIRC, hold down Ctrl. |
| 16:18.03 | nevcairiel | just some forks of it do |
| 16:18.22 | Gnarfoz | Oracle 10gR2 doesn't think Chrome is a good browser to use on their Enterprise Manager interface. fail. :P |
| 16:18.28 | Gnarfoz | even better: |
| 16:18.28 | DWSR | Ah yeah, that's right. Sorry, I use puttytray. |
| 16:18.53 | Gnarfoz | where IE fails at restarting the database instance through the EM (because it'll stubbornly reject ANY user/password combination)... |
| 16:18.57 | Gnarfoz | Chrome succeeds. |
| 16:19.36 | DWSR | lol |
| 16:19.41 | DWSR | anyway, class. |
| 16:19.41 | DWSR | bbl |
| 16:20.04 | Gnarfoz | (also, they use animated SVG graphs on their performance overview page and tell you to install some Adobe SVG viewer plugin, with a link pointing to adobe.com, where it says that this plugin is deprecated, no longer under dev and basically to fuck off. :P) |
| 16:20.57 | nevcairiel | so and can chrome render those natively? =P |
| 16:21.51 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 16:22.01 | Gnarfoz | not that the page would give them to me, anyway |
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| 16:27.07 | Gnarfoz | I wonder how it is that this multi-billion dollar company has produced this awful piece of shit website for managing their database |
| 16:27.29 | nevcairiel | They had to give the intern some job to do |
| 16:27.34 | Gnarfoz | (and how they use ANIMATED svg graphs but fail at so many less modern things) |
| 16:28.40 | durcyn | obviously they bought the svg product from a third party |
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| 16:29.37 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: eh... what? |
| 16:29.58 | Gnarfoz | and: nice, the perl Oracle installed crashes over and over |
| 16:31.09 | Hjalte | Does anyone know if it is possible to move the small "widgets" in Google Calendar? I'd like it all on the left side of my calendar. Below Other Calendars and such. |
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| 16:33.01 | Lopeppeppy | I don't use any other widgets in the calendar, so I don't know that answer, sorry. |
| 16:34.20 | Hjalte | I found a good one in the Labs part, called Next Meeting. But it's creating an awful lot of white unused space below it. |
| 16:36.22 | Kraps | we were having a good VC run till the second to last pull |
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| 16:38.22 | cogwheel | the three guards on the boat? |
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| 16:39.44 | cogwheel | "Excess Flood" seems a bit redundant and a bit repetitive and a bit redundant |
| 16:39.56 | Kraps | the pull before goblin |
| 16:39.58 | cogwheel | Isn't "Flood" itself indicative of excess? |
| 16:40.32 | Lopeppeppy | There's flooding, and there's "build the ark faster, Noah" |
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| 16:41.20 | cogwheel | builds ReAn a new dyke |
| 16:42.33 | zenzelezz | why does he need a lesbian? |
| 16:43.33 | cogwheel | Everyone needs a lesbian, imo |
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| 16:46.14 | durcyn | I'll take two. |
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| 16:48.01 | Lopeppeppy | Good, because I don't have any room for mine. |
| 16:50.57 | Kraps | lol you guys |
| 16:51.15 | Kraps | time for a mount |
| 16:51.46 | Kraps | brown grey or purple? |
| 16:52.20 | durcyn | purple, obviously. |
| 16:52.57 | Kraps | gray looks the most badass |
| 16:53.15 | Kraps | whats the saying about pink elephants? |
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| 16:54.53 | durcyn | they're pink. |
| 16:55.17 | Lopeppeppy | They're on parade. |
| 16:55.33 | Kraps | what does it mean? |
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| 16:58.23 | durcyn | it means your wikipedia-fu is weak. |
| 16:58.34 | Lunessa | station. |
| 16:59.39 | Kraps | wonders why blizz didnt make totems trainable/purchasable |
| 17:00.26 | Lunessa | Huh? |
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| 17:07.46 | durcyn | whoa, this panopticlick thing is creepy |
| 17:09.22 | Kraps | Lunessa: you still need to do the quests for them, whereas many other class-specific quests for items were removed |
| 17:09.59 | Lunessa | Oh, the quests are cool. Do them. |
| 17:10.14 | Kraps | i am, because i have to :) |
| 17:10.20 | Kraps | but they are cool |
| 17:10.26 | Lopeppeppy | The draeni ones are pretty neat, I like them. |
| 17:11.05 | Ackis | hates doctors |
| 17:12.12 | mikma | doctors hate ackis |
| 17:12.19 | cogwheel | wonders how he missed the news of Patrick Stewart being knighted |
| 17:12.20 | Ackis | they do |
| 17:12.27 | Ackis | cogwheel: you live under a rock? |
| 17:12.31 | cogwheel | yes |
| 17:12.42 | cogwheel | well, does a tile roof count? |
| 17:13.03 | Ackis | nope |
| 17:13.05 | Ackis | rock |
| 17:13.07 | Ackis | rock! |
| 17:13.17 | cogwheel | I'm sure there's a rock up there somewhere... |
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| 17:13.50 | Ackis | don't make me start grunting :P |
| 17:14.05 | cogwheel | yeah, wouldn't want that >< |
| 17:14.54 | Ackis | so part of my tooth chipped a few weeks ago (on the front) and it's just finally starting to hurt |
| 17:16.12 | cogwheel | grats? |
| 17:16.35 | Ackis | more annoying than grats worthy |
| 17:16.44 | cogwheel | yes you are |
| 17:16.46 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I missed it too? |
| 17:16.48 | cogwheel | sorry |
| 17:16.52 | cogwheel | ducks |
| 17:17.03 | Ackis | growls at cogwheel |
| 17:17.14 | Ackis | you... you.... you... you WOW PLAYER! |
| 17:17.15 | Ackis | hah! |
| 17:17.17 | Ackis | ZING |
| 17:17.25 | cogwheel | ONOES! IR DEFEETEED |
| 17:17.33 | Ackis | RAWR |
| 17:17.44 | cogwheel | Lunessa: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/arts_and_culture/8434903.stm |
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| 17:19.29 | Ackis | STO starts today eh? |
| 17:19.50 | cogwheel | sounds aboat right, eh? |
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| 17:20.31 | Ackis | wow |
| 17:20.33 | Ackis | just wow |
| 17:20.34 | Ackis | :P |
| 17:20.41 | Ackis | you wanker, take off eh |
| 17:20.56 | cogwheel | skitters gnomishly away |
| 17:21.33 | DWSR | what? |
| 17:22.26 | cogwheel | 09:19 < Ackis> STO starts today eh? |
| 17:22.26 | cogwheel | 09:19 < cogwheel> sounds aboat right, eh? |
| 17:22.26 | cogwheel | 09:19 -!- DWSR [n=doingwha@unaffiliated/dwsr] has joined #wowuidev |
| 17:23.06 | cogwheel | Ackis: at least i said "aboat" and not "aboot" :P |
| 17:24.44 | Ackis | spammer! |
| 17:25.29 | Ackis | who here is playing ME2? |
| 17:25.44 | DWSR | Not me. Already beat it. |
| 17:26.00 | DWSR | Lemme know when you get to the plot twist. |
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| 17:27.10 | Ackis | DWSR: I've had many plot twists |
| 17:27.20 | Ackis | I still haven't got laid yet |
| 17:27.29 | DWSR | Ackis: The one I'm talking about is rather....hilarious and memorable. |
| 17:27.34 | DWSR | And awful, all at the same time. |
| 17:28.30 | Ackis | so far IMO DA:O > ME2 :( |
| 17:28.53 | durcyn | your opinion is invalid |
| 17:28.55 | Ackis | I did find a wicked easter egg in the game... do you have the blood dragon armour? |
| 17:30.12 | Ackis | if you read the description of the armor, it mentions a team called the "Edmonton Blood Dragons" Edmonton == where bioware (and more importantly me/myself/I) is from |
| 17:30.47 | DWSR | Ackis: No, I don't have DA:O. |
| 17:31.08 | durcyn | they have office in austin too, we have something in common Ackis |
| 17:31.09 | durcyn | and i hate it |
| 17:31.46 | Ackis | you just have the office... I have the origin |
| 17:32.10 | ckknight | http://addons1.mmosite.com/wow/ |
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| 17:32.20 | durcyn | yeah, well, we also had ORIGIN, so your argument is moot |
| 17:32.31 | Ackis | don't talk about origin :'( |
| 17:32.37 | Ackis | my heart has never healed from that |
| 17:32.52 | durcyn | TR was a mistake |
| 17:33.03 | durcyn | garriot lost his mojo |
| 17:33.33 | Ackis | wtb wing commander 5 |
| 17:33.37 | Ackis | (prophecy sucked IMO) |
| 17:33.42 | durcyn | which is a shame, because TR could've been amazing |
| 17:33.47 | durcyn | prohpecy was good, you shut your face |
| 17:34.09 | Shirik | ................................. what |
| 17:34.12 | Shirik | I just got this email |
| 17:34.26 | Ackis | prophecy was a huge let down for me |
| 17:34.29 | Ackis | I don't know why |
| 17:34.39 | Shirik | from a very high-level person at National Instruments |
| 17:34.58 | Shirik | (and my school's primary contact): "I wanted to let you know that I recently made a very difficult decision to pursue a career with my family business selling pinball machine parts" |
| 17:35.04 | zenzelezz | Shirik: he probably purchased his account |
| 17:35.17 | Karlkoolaide | lol |
| 17:35.19 | durcyn | because they killed off blair? |
| 17:35.20 | Shirik | How do you go from working at NI to selling pinball parts |
| 17:36.04 | DWSR | Shirik: Already have lots of money? |
| 17:36.12 | Shirik | I guess |
| 17:36.32 | Ackis | durcyn: Not sure why, I just didn't get into it as much as the others, I think the "free" version of it caused me issues |
| 17:36.59 | durcyn | uh, what free version |
| 17:37.16 | Shirik | free version of blair? |
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| 17:38.33 | Ackis | durcyn: they released a free downloadable version that takes place just before prophecy |
| 17:39.02 | durcyn | huh. wasn't aware of that |
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| 17:40.50 | Ackis | durcyn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Commander_%28franchise%29#Wing_Commander:_Secret_Ops_.281998.29 |
| 17:41.45 | Ackis | it says it was released after, but that was the retail release |
| 17:41.53 | Ackis | the downloadable version was before prophecy |
| 17:42.13 | durcyn | speaking of, EA really needs to release the OSI back catalog on GOG or something |
| 17:42.23 | durcyn | I can't find my old wc3 or wc4 disks |
| 17:43.17 | Ackis | i pirated wc4 |
| 17:43.22 | Ackis | then proceeded to buy it |
| 17:44.37 | Ackis | wing commander armada sucked balls |
| 17:44.48 | Ackis | I've been afraid to get wing commander arena (xbox live game) |
| 17:45.52 | durcyn | you ever get a chance to play Freelancer? |
| 17:46.09 | Ackis | no |
| 17:46.18 | durcyn | chris roberts' attempt at a remake of privateer after OSI died |
| 17:46.31 | durcyn | i bought a copy, then never played it >_> |
| 17:46.49 | Ackis | ah I liked the privateer games |
| 17:47.04 | Fisker | need freelancer sequel |
| 17:49.13 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 17:49.15 | jnwhiteh | i need healing boots |
| 17:49.18 | jnwhiteh | leather |
| 17:49.21 | jnwhiteh | what instance do i need to run? |
| 17:49.31 | Lopeppeppy | ... I did not read that correctly |
| 17:49.50 | cogwheel | rawr? |
| 17:49.58 | Seerah | did your mind wander as soon as you saw "leather"? ;) |
| 17:50.02 | Lopeppeppy | and jnwhiteh, you didn't say what level? |
| 17:50.10 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, I got lost on the b-word, actually |
| 17:50.12 | cogwheel | XD |
| 17:50.28 | jnwhiteh | > ilevel 210 |
| 17:50.32 | jnwhiteh | ideally 232+ |
| 17:50.44 | jnwhiteh | i can probably buy some with emblems. |
| 17:50.46 | cogwheel | randoms for emblems? |
| 17:51.20 | jnwhiteh | i have emble |
| 17:51.26 | jnwhiteh | just not sure where i can buy different slots. |
| 17:51.58 | cogwheel | tourney vendors have head, feet, hands, pants, and chest iirc |
| 17:52.55 | jnwhiteh | ah okay |
| 17:52.56 | jnwhiteh | thanks =) |
| 17:53.20 | Seerah | there's also these: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45260 |
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| 17:54.14 | Seerah | or these: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45565 |
| 17:54.36 | Seerah | or are those more dps?... (haven't played my druid in ages) |
| 17:55.25 | Adys | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/01/want-to-make-some-money.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss |
| 17:56.51 | Seerah | jnwhiteh: though this says that second BIS for a resto druid (page was linked on the Boots of Hasty Revival comments) are cloth boots, made by tailoring.... http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=minle=219;ub=11;gm=3;gb=1;wt=61:123:24:23:96:103:77;wtv=100:53:48:28:14:12:-100#feet |
| 17:57.10 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 17:57.11 | jnwhiteh | BIS? |
| 17:57.14 | haste | best in slot |
| 17:57.18 | jnwhiteh | oh =) |
| 17:57.29 | jnwhiteh | thanks, i'll take a look at these |
| 18:00.05 | p3lim | hm why would I get this error? http://pastey.net/132208 |
| 18:00.24 | nevcairiel | because you f'ed with your hitory |
| 18:00.27 | nevcairiel | *history |
| 18:00.47 | nevcairiel | or someone else pushed, and you need to fetch and merge |
| 18:01.55 | p3lim | Yeah I can see the history is f'ed, but I have no idea why it happened |
| 18:02.00 | Ackis | Activision and Blizzard are matching employee donations for Haiti Relief. |
| 18:02.01 | Ackis | cool |
| 18:02.09 | Shirik | p3lim: Because you're using git |
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| 18:02.27 | nevcairiel | ~whaleslap Shirik |
| 18:02.28 | purl | ACTION beats Shirik upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 18:02.52 | Shirik | Ackis: Logical response: Tell all employees internally that iif they donate money, they're fired :P |
| 18:03.13 | Shirik | I'm kidding of course |
| 18:04.27 | p3lim | no idea how to fetch and merge : |
| 18:04.28 | p3lim | :p |
| 18:04.45 | nevcairiel | git fetch && git merge |
| 18:04.47 | nevcairiel | o.O |
| 18:04.52 | nevcairiel | maybe you really shouldnt be using git |
| 18:05.57 | Shirik | ^ |
| 18:06.01 | Shirik | http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/01/29/in-china-imitation-is-the-sincerest-form-of-flattering-google/ |
| 18:06.08 | Fisker | hey Shiibot |
| 18:06.10 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:06.11 | Adys | yeah |
| 18:06.12 | Adys | use bzr |
| 18:06.19 | Adys | bzr > git for non largescale |
| 18:06.33 | Shirik | ^ |
| 18:06.43 | nevcairiel | if you have no clue how to do shit, you shouldn't be using either :P |
| 18:06.56 | Shirik | I dunno, bzr can be > git at largescale to |
| 18:06.57 | p3lim | I just get errors with merge |
| 18:07.08 | p3lim | I usually dont fetch and merge, just pull |
| 18:07.23 | Adys | Shirik: since a little while it's not about bzr being slow |
| 18:07.26 | Adys | its about git being fast |
| 18:07.40 | Shirik | The only real problem I have with bzr is that the most commonly used revision number changes on its own |
| 18:07.51 | p3lim | meh feck it, I'll just clone head again and re-do my work |
| 18:08.01 | Shirik | in git you get a face-mashing revision number, but it never changes |
| 18:08.16 | Shirik | admittedly, bzr also has this face-mashing revision number, but it's out of normal view |
| 18:08.37 | Adys | I like git's revision numbers |
| 18:08.42 | Adys | i dunno why, i like hex hashes |
| 18:08.53 | Shirik | ugly |
| 18:09.01 | Shirik | how do you even communicate that to someone |
| 18:09.19 | Adys | you can give them a 5-digit number |
| 18:09.21 | Shirik | like you're in a meeting and you're like "Yeah, reivsion eight eff two six nine ee one three" |
| 18:09.34 | Shirik | instead of "Yeah, revision 128.2" |
| 18:09.44 | nevcairiel | ew. decimal revisions |
| 18:09.55 | Shirik | nevcairiel: merge only :P |
| 18:10.06 | ZorbaTHut | how often do you tell people revision numbers verbally in a meeting? |
| 18:10.21 | Shirik | not rarely? |
| 18:10.23 | Adys | how often do you talk about cvs in a meeting? |
| 18:10.28 | Shirik | often? |
| 18:10.33 | nevcairiel | so thats how they solve the issue with a linear revision number in a non-linear development tree? |
| 18:10.35 | ZorbaTHut | I've never done it, myself |
| 18:10.38 | Adys | Oo |
| 18:10.39 | nevcairiel | feels like a really ugly hack |
| 18:10.39 | Shirik | sorta, nevcairiel |
| 18:10.54 | Shirik | it can change too, that's where the problem comes in |
| 18:11.05 | Shirik | basically the revision numbers are from the perspective of the last person to push |
| 18:11.24 | Shirik | if you want something really static you have to use the revision number much like git's |
| 18:11.49 | nevcairiel | and personally, i wouldnt talk about changesets by their id, "was caused by a change applied yesterday" . and if someone wants details, mail him the change id :P |
| 18:12.00 | zenzelezz | one day I'll write a new version control system |
| 18:12.13 | Adys | dont |
| 18:12.20 | zenzelezz | instead of pushing and pulling, it'll have thrusting, shoving and other funny names |
| 18:12.38 | Adys | you can do that |
| 18:12.40 | Adys | with a bzr plugin |
| 18:13.15 | zenzelezz | I don't want an option, I want to force the users, so they will have to talk to management about the latest thrust |
| 18:13.16 | Cairenn | WobWork: awwwww @ lynx |
| 18:13.36 | Shirik | nevcairiel: This is bzr's set of revision numbers: |
| 18:13.42 | Cairenn | LOL @ irrelephant! |
| 18:13.45 | Adys | for 10 whole seconds |
| 18:13.46 | Adys | I was |
| 18:13.57 | Adys | "Why would cairenn go awwww at a console web browser" |
| 18:13.59 | Shirik | revno: 162 |
| 18:13.59 | Shirik | revision-id: emailblanked@gmail.com-20091124141711-7v4a4q7kd1jq1yvb |
| 18:13.59 | Shirik | parent: emailblanked@gmail.com-20091123232511-jzogjtn7xdsh4sgo |
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| 18:14.18 | nevcairiel | thats even uglier then gits numbers |
| 18:14.26 | Shirik | well you almost never use them |
| 18:14.30 | Shirik | so there's no real point |
| 18:14.31 | nevcairiel | hex hashes look fun, at least! |
| 18:14.40 | Adys | i agree with nev |
| 18:14.44 | Adys | hex hashes are cute |
| 18:14.46 | Shirik | I think I used it once, ever, and that was because I had to do a manual merge |
| 18:14.59 | Shirik | not just a conflict, but a complex history merge |
| 18:15.08 | Cairenn | Adys: http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwwzc0K2Zf1qzahqco1_500.jpg |
| 18:15.09 | Shirik | and it was Adys's fault too |
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| 18:15.21 | nevcairiel | so how do revisions in a branch look? just increment decimals from their spawn-off point? |
| 18:15.26 | Shirik | sec |
| 18:15.33 | Adys | nevcairiel: like svn really |
| 18:15.38 | Adys | but |
| 18:15.41 | Adys | if you merge a branch |
| 18:15.56 | Adys | you get 123.1, 123.2, 123.3 etc |
| 18:16.00 | Adys | until the change point |
| 18:16.02 | nevcairiel | so a branch just continues to count, but when you merge, they get renumbered? |
| 18:16.06 | nevcairiel | that seems ugly :d |
| 18:16.08 | Ackis | is updating (rewriting his resume)... anyone have any tips/pointers? |
| 18:16.30 | Adys | Ackis: pet peeve, but please fix your parentheses |
| 18:16.32 | zenzelezz | stick to the truth |
| 18:16.44 | Shirik | trying to find a good example, nevcairiel |
| 18:16.46 | Ackis | eh sorry Adys |
| 18:16.59 | Ackis | is updating (rewriting) his resume... anyone have any tips/pointers? |
| 18:18.04 | cbreak | Ackis: Use LaTeX :) |
| 18:18.39 | jnwhiteh | idd |
| 18:18.49 | Lopeppeppy | have it proofed a lot. |
| 18:18.49 | Shirik | nevcairiel: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ee7553521fcb753b1cbe3321c7a2b752.png |
| 18:19.12 | Adys | i think he meant "gimme tips on how to write it" |
| 18:19.39 | Adys | not "gimme tips on how to publish it" |
| 18:19.39 | Adys | :p |
| 18:20.01 | cbreak | I put a QR barcode on mine containing my contact data |
| 18:20.15 | Ackis | Adys: zenzelezz and Lopeppeppy has given advice on writing it, I have no idea what cbreak is talking about though ;) |
| 18:20.28 | cbreak | :( |
| 18:20.31 | cogwheel | Ackis: google qr code |
| 18:21.04 | cbreak | there's a nice LaTeX package for auto generating nice barcodes, part of pstricks |
| 18:21.12 | Adys | Ackis: http://www.lyx.org/ |
| 18:21.20 | Ackis | cogwheel: that's MS tag |
| 18:21.22 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: you think anyone's ever going to read that one out? :p |
| 18:21.37 | cogwheel | lol wut? |
| 18:21.41 | Dagmar | I think you can even get Kaywa's site to make you qrcodes |
| 18:21.47 | Adys | Ackis: btw, you're talking about two persons, it's "have" not "has" |
| 18:21.56 | cbreak | Gnarfoz: no way. |
| 18:22.16 | cbreak | but it looks cool and techy |
| 18:22.35 | cbreak | and it's only a few lines of code |
| 18:23.10 | Lopeppeppy | Which would get you laughed off of some search committees, but approved by others. Know your audience. |
| 18:23.47 | p3lim | lua> string.gsub('player', '(.)', string.upper, 1) .. 'FrameDropDown' |
| 18:23.49 | lua_bot | p3lim: PlayerFrameDropDown |
| 18:23.59 | Ackis | what's with everyone grammar nazi'ing me today? :( |
| 18:25.10 | jnwhiteh | lua> ("player"):gsub("^.", string.upper) .. "FrameDropDown" |
| 18:25.11 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: PlayerFrameDropDown |
| 18:25.18 | jnwhiteh | thought so =) |
| 18:25.33 | p3lim | wth |
| 18:26.44 | p3lim | lua> string.gsub('Hello', '^.', string.upper) |
| 18:26.46 | lua_bot | p3lim: Hello, 1 |
| 18:26.58 | amro | Ackis: question is, what's with you failing at grammar today? :P |
| 18:27.06 | p3lim | lua> string.gsub('hello', '^.', string.upper) |
| 18:27.07 | lua_bot | p3lim: Hello, 1 |
| 18:27.14 | p3lim | neat, thanks jnwhiteh |
| 18:27.20 | Lunessa | One of our techs is named Clariese. I totally just Hannibal Lecter-ed her over the phone. I'm going to hell. |
| 18:27.50 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, yes you are. :P |
| 18:28.06 | VonhintenHOME` | And she's thinking "sigh, another loser doing the hannibal thing" |
| 18:28.16 | Dagmar | "It's SENSITIVITY TRAINING for you!" |
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| 18:34.31 | Shirik | omg chrome has a Hatsune Miku theme |
| 18:35.17 | haste | rofl |
| 18:38.18 | Ackis | hmm should I swtich to google chrome or stay with FF? |
| 18:38.24 | Lopeppeppy | FF. *sigh |
| 18:38.55 | Adys | no |
| 18:38.58 | Adys | google chrome > * |
| 18:40.30 | Gnarfoz | opera! ie! lynx! |
| 18:40.32 | Gnarfoz | something! |
| 18:40.34 | Ackis | when did chrome get extentions? |
| 18:40.43 | Gnarfoz | back then |
| 18:40.46 | Adys | a year ago |
| 18:41.17 | Ackis | hmm xmarks and feedly are there... what else do I need? ad blocker? |
| 18:41.38 | Adys | adblock fails |
| 18:41.53 | Ackis | what's an alternative? |
| 18:42.00 | Adys | i mean |
| 18:42.04 | Adys | adblocking extensions fail |
| 18:42.05 | Adys | in general |
| 18:42.35 | Lunessa | Chrome = You have to suffer every goddamned Ad on the internet |
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| 18:42.41 | smcn | i use adblock + privoxy with chrome |
| 18:42.47 | nevcairiel | there are adblocker for chrome :P |
| 18:43.11 | Lunessa | Last time I tried to use it... it was less than a joyful experience. It must have come a long way. |
| 18:43.32 | VonhintenHOME` | I'd need a noscript addon to even consider it |
| 18:43.45 | nevcairiel | I dont get why people insist on noscript |
| 18:43.58 | nevcairiel | like javascript will instantly taint your computer and break your webz |
| 18:44.00 | smcn | i started using chrome when it came out, with privoxy i've never had a problem with ads |
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| 18:44.42 | VonhintenHOME` | javascript launched exploits are the leading cause of 0 days from the web |
| 18:44.42 | Dagmar | Not really. |
| 18:44.43 | nevcairiel | most exploits come through flash these days |
| 18:44.44 | Dagmar | Browser plugins are the main issue. |
| 18:44.52 | Dagmar | Acrobat and Flash in particular. |
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| 18:45.07 | nevcairiel | I wonder if there is a flashblocker for chrome, though |
| 18:45.19 | nevcairiel | But anyway, Firebug > chromes dev thingy, so i won't be switching |
| 18:45.23 | Dagmar | Being that NoScript can shut those off, it's not useless |
| 18:45.33 | VonhintenHOME` | You do realize that flash is stopped by noscript :) |
| 18:45.38 | Ackis | lol privoxy.org == The URL that you are attempting to access is a potential security risk. Trend Micro OfficeScan has blocked this URL in keeping with network security policy. |
| 18:45.39 | Ackis | wtf |
| 18:46.09 | nevcairiel | i use flashblocker to disable flash and replace it with a flash icon i can click to show the flash movie |
| 18:46.24 | VonhintenHOME` | noscript basically does just that |
| 18:46.41 | nevcairiel | except that people block js with it too, and break all the user experience on modern websites :d |
| 18:47.03 | VonhintenHOME` | but more importantly, I can enable scripts on a page, but choose to not allow google-analytics for instance |
| 18:47.28 | nevcairiel | google already knows your darkest secrets, so who cares :> |
| 18:47.33 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:47.36 | nevcairiel | You don't lie to google. |
| 18:47.40 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 18:47.45 | DWSR | google knows that I watch porn every night, so why bother trying to hide it. |
| 18:47.48 | DWSR | Wank on, I say. |
| 18:47.48 | VonhintenHOME` | well, I'm trying to reverse that :) |
| 18:48.07 | nevcairiel | Its true, you don't lie to google. If you did, your search would be useless :P |
| 18:48.40 | nevcairiel | I picked that up from some privacy talk .. wonder which it was |
| 18:48.45 | VonhintenHOME` | search would be fine... I just wouldn't get those really well targetted yet still extremely unwanted and useless ads |
| 18:49.20 | nevcairiel | i dont mind google ads, due to their text-only nature they really dont annoy me |
| 18:49.47 | nevcairiel | popup shit that slides some div over your screen, thats annoying |
| 18:49.58 | VonhintenHOME` | It bothers me that I can be on a page with another person, and something could pop up that is related to my personal life, in the wrong setting |
| 18:50.06 | haste | nevcairiel: or partypoker... |
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| 18:50.27 | nevcairiel | usually google ads are related to the website you are on too |
| 18:50.33 | nevcairiel | at least from what i've seen |
| 18:50.42 | nevcairiel | but you can still filter that with an adblocker instead of noscript :d |
| 18:50.58 | VonhintenHOME` | google does allow you to opt out too |
| 18:51.19 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:51.21 | VonhintenHOME` | unfortunately, their method of opt out requires a special cookie |
| 18:51.33 | ZorbaTHut | vonhinten, I don't believe google does that |
| 18:51.57 | VonhintenHOME` | yep, they do, they have a web site set up where you can tell them what you don't want them to do |
| 18:52.05 | ZorbaTHut | as of a few years ago at least, their ads were targeted to your approximate geolocation and the contents of the page, and not a whole lot else |
| 18:52.11 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, really? gimme a link to that? that must be new |
| 18:52.21 | VonhintenHOME` | one sec |
| 18:52.36 | Adys | http://www.google.com/privacy_ads.html |
| 18:52.36 | nevcairiel | if google can link your browser to your person somehow, it gives you targeted ads based on your search profile |
| 18:52.49 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: ^ |
| 18:53.04 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, that's the site, "Advertising Cookie Opt-out" |
| 18:53.52 | ZorbaTHut | huh, it looks like youtube uses that but nothing else does |
| 18:53.59 | ZorbaTHut | still, that's new. bet there was a big argument over that one |
| 18:54.05 | nevcairiel | i cant use the opt-out cookie because i dont allow 3rd party cookies |
| 18:54.06 | Adys | adsense uses it |
| 18:54.11 | nevcairiel | fail :P |
| 18:54.12 | VonhintenHOME` | adsense, doubleclick |
| 18:54.28 | Adys | ah yea doubleclick too now |
| 18:54.36 | ZorbaTHut | ah, yeah, there's the adsense segment |
| 18:54.43 | nevcairiel | google owns the internet, dont forget ;) |
| 18:54.45 | ZorbaTHut | curious, we were pretty against doing anything of that sort when I was there. wonder what changed. |
| 18:54.50 | Lunessa | I fiter adsense and doubleclick at my DNS. |
| 18:55.09 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: doing what? |
| 18:55.17 | alestane | This is absolutely horrifying: http://xkcd.com/695/ |
| 18:55.23 | VonhintenHOME` | Zorba, part of googles philanthropic "do no harm" mantra :) |
| 18:55.34 | ZorbaTHut | adys, using external collected data to show ads. we were trying very hard to avoid anything "creepy" where Google learned who you were |
| 18:55.43 | ZorbaTHut | ad display was intended to be largely stateless |
| 18:55.53 | Shirik | I know alestane :( |
| 18:55.53 | Adys | it's dont be evil, and uhm i dont read anything creepy in there |
| 18:55.55 | Shirik | makes me cry :( |
| 18:56.04 | Adys | its targeted advertising, but doesnt use personal data |
| 18:56.24 | Lunessa | alestane: Google "The Lonely Astronaut" - NSFW - Language. |
| 18:56.25 | ZorbaTHut | from reading it, it uses info on which websites you've visited, not solely including the current website |
| 18:56.48 | cbreak | that's why humans send robots |
| 18:56.49 | alestane | Lunessa: I think I've encountered it before, or something very like it. |
| 18:57.24 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: more specifically, it links to an adsense "user" with partner websites that you've browsed |
| 18:57.48 | Adys | Either way |
| 18:57.49 | Adys | No personally identifying information We dont collect or serve ads based on personally identifying information without your permission. |
| 18:58.02 | Adys | that's the only thing I'd care about |
| 18:58.04 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, "personally identifying" |
| 18:58.09 | ZorbaTHut | that's a copout and everyone knows it |
| 18:58.19 | ZorbaTHut | the netflix records turned out to be personally identifying |
| 18:58.35 | cbreak | "We don't know who you are, but we know you like World of Warcraft and Books about Japanese Language!" |
| 18:58.36 | VonhintenHOME` | everything is personally identifying |
| 18:58.37 | ZorbaTHut | if they can track which websites you've visited, and your IP, that's like 99% of the way there to figuring out who you are :P |
| 18:58.37 | Adys | you can stretch things one way or the other |
| 18:59.13 | ZorbaTHut | so yeah, that crosses some boundaries that we weren't willing to do originally, but maybe they just realized that most people don't care (because they don't) |
| 18:59.15 | Adys | point in sight, as long as reality itself isn't stretched that way... things are fine |
| 18:59.33 | VonhintenHOME` | We know you search for porn between the hours of 7 to 8 am, and 11pm to 2am, usually involving circus midgets and feet |
| 18:59.45 | Dagmar | That right there is probably part of the reason Google ads are generally based on the the content you're looking at *right now* |
| 18:59.47 | Adys | wtf Von how the fuck do you know that? |
| 19:00.06 | VonhintenHOME` | It's ALL RIGHT THERE ADYS |
| 19:00.07 | Dagmar | The last thing you want is for say, DoubleClick to figure out you like big black butts, when you're looking up information on a local fundraiser |
| 19:00.22 | Adys | Yeah Dagmar |
| 19:00.23 | cbreak | there was an interesting blurb on /. about identifying people by browser ID string |
| 19:00.59 | Adys | the whole point of this, imho, is to be able to pick a more relevant ad between two equally relevant ones |
| 19:01.13 | Adys | pretty much the same philosophy google has about search |
| 19:01.23 | Adys | use all available options |
| 19:02.03 | VonhintenHOME` | One of these days Google is going to pop up a message while I'm surfing and say "You're probably not going to like this site", and I won't be surprised |
| 19:02.06 | ZorbaTHut | adys, oh, definitely |
| 19:02.16 | ZorbaTHut | still, as I said, that option used to be taboo :) |
| 19:02.24 | nevcairiel | VonhintenHOME`: not surprised if they are right? ;) |
| 19:02.40 | VonhintenHOME` | nev, oh, I assume it will be 100% right :) |
| 19:02.44 | Adys | Google already suggests me websites i might like |
| 19:02.51 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Surprised at the message itself/. |
| 19:02.51 | nicoli_s | so fisker are you going to tell me that releasing the sc2 beta requirements mean it has to be next week? |
| 19:02.52 | Adys | easy enough to figure out websites i might dislike =) |
| 19:02.58 | Dagmar | X-Marks is already doing more or less the converse of that |
| 19:03.20 | VonhintenHOME` | "Google: Nah, don't click that." |
| 19:03.22 | Dagmar | yer google results get tagged with a green marker if the site that came back was highly rated and/or bookmarked by xmarks users |
| 19:03.55 | Adys | i wonder if you can export your google history |
| 19:03.56 | Adys | probably |
| 19:04.28 | Dagmar | VonhintenHOME`: Google and FF both will just flat out stop you and give you a warning if the site you're going to is more or less known in realtime to be handing out malware |
| 19:04.36 | Dagmar | s/Google/Chrome/; |
| 19:04.41 | VonhintenHOME` | dagmar, yeah |
| 19:04.51 | Adys | and opera |
| 19:04.51 | Dagmar | It's just a bit slow sometimes for them to be certain enough to block a site |
| 19:04.52 | Adys | and ie |
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| 19:05.04 | Adys | for google its the opposite |
| 19:05.14 | Adys | and afaik firefox bases itself on the same malware database as chrome |
| 19:05.34 | Adys | they tend to block things easily, then eventually fix things |
| 19:07.51 | Adys | Either way as a general philosophy, I rather have a company being crystal-clear telling me what kind of evil they are doing, rather than have another company not doing anything seemingly bad but being obscure about it |
| 19:08.41 | DWSR | Adys: They both have their merits. |
| 19:08.48 | DWSR | I prefer the first as well. |
| 19:09.18 | Adys | former is more likely to lead to a "better" behaviour in the future |
| 19:09.27 | Adys | latter is more likely to go the opposite direction |
| 19:11.35 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22748819983&sid=1 |
| 19:11.36 | Adys | haha. |
| 19:12.57 | Adys | So Bibi linked me http://eco.rue89.com/2010/01/26/firefox-refuse-que-youtube-devienne-un-club-de-riches-135615 |
| 19:13.04 | Adys | saying "OH MY GOD GOOGLE IS SO EVIL OMG" |
| 19:13.25 | nevcairiel | heh i get a server error on wow forums url intercepter |
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| 19:13.35 | VonhintenHOME` | Unfortunately, the only person in my guild who has the Shadow's Edge right now had to buy gold to get the primordial saronite... |
| 19:14.00 | Adys | What it reads: "Youtube is going to use <video> with html5 on youtube with only a specific proprietary format, which will lead to firefox users being left out" |
| 19:14.14 | Dagmar | VonhintenHOME`: Well, hopefully the guild will be able to find a replacement for him soon |
| 19:14.20 | Adys | what it fails to mention: They wont do that because that would mean losing IE as well since IE doesnt support <video> at all |
| 19:14.56 | nevcairiel | yeah they'll keep the flash around |
| 19:15.15 | nevcairiel | maybe base it on user agent |
| 19:15.23 | Adys | I'd love to see youtube lose IE+FF marketshare. |
| 19:15.29 | Adys | whats that, like 85% of their visits? |
| 19:15.33 | DWSR | more |
| 19:15.34 | Dagmar | Firefox will ADD support for something like that |
| 19:15.46 | Dagmar | Firefox would be quite happy to have some people get a freaking clue and start using Ogg |
| 19:15.54 | nevcairiel | the Mozilla Foundation clearly said they won't be paying patent and license fees for the h264 format |
| 19:16.09 | Adys | the patent fees themselves are ridiculously high |
| 19:16.18 | nicoli_s | like dozens of dollars |
| 19:16.18 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 19:16.34 | Adys | Last I saw it was well in the 7 digits |
| 19:16.43 | Dagmar | You can't afford to do that when you pay _per client_ |
| 19:16.45 | nicoli_s | yah, 36.0000000000 |
| 19:16.49 | Dagmar | ...and your browser is free |
| 19:16.53 | Adys | past that, I agree people should use open formats |
| 19:16.55 | Adys | but |
| 19:16.56 | nevcairiel | Google can :D |
| 19:17.14 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/28/funny-pictures-shakespeare-kitteh/ |
| 19:17.22 | nevcairiel | I believ Apple paid as well for safari to include it |
| 19:17.25 | Adys | you cant tell companies to suck it up and use an inferior format when quality is a selling point of the company |
| 19:17.33 | Dagmar | Investment lawyers would be suing Google _tomorrow_ over "stockholder interest" issues if they did that |
| 19:17.38 | Adys | which is exactly whats happening with vimeo and youtube |
| 19:17.45 | Adys | nevcairiel: safari supports anything quicktime supports |
| 19:18.05 | nevcairiel | h264 isn't exactly superior to ogg on those low bitrates on web videos |
| 19:18.14 | ZorbaTHut | adys, at worst, they'd provide both <video> and flash support |
| 19:18.21 | Adys | exactly ZorbaTHut |
| 19:18.43 | Adys | nevcairiel: but its superior on high quality videos :) |
| 19:18.58 | nevcairiel | When do you directly stream a 1080p movie from a website? |
| 19:19.00 | Dagmar | Assuming you have a _beefy_ CPU |
| 19:19.10 | Adys | nevcairiel: youtube does that |
| 19:19.20 | Dagmar | nevcairiel : When you're a NetFlix user with FIOS |
| 19:19.27 | nevcairiel | Most people in the world dont even have the bandwidth to do that |
| 19:19.39 | nevcairiel | I can be happy to stream 480p |
| 19:19.43 | Adys | Google stopped being part of this world long ago |
| 19:20.00 | Dagmar | YouTube definitely isn't streaming 1080 |
| 19:20.01 | Cide | they transcended to the High Heavens |
| 19:20.07 | Adys | Yes, they do |
| 19:20.09 | Adys | not all vids |
| 19:20.12 | Adys | but they have support for it |
| 19:20.16 | Adys | and it's opt in |
| 19:20.35 | nevcairiel | Anyway, cant firefox just plug into a system dependant codec thing? Like on windows, use DirectShow to decode stuff, on linux just link against libavcodec, and problems solved? =P |
| 19:21.12 | ZorbaTHut | nev, it can, but the question is whether there will be built-in support or not |
| 19:21.16 | Adys | they wrote something about it |
| 19:21.20 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 19:21.22 | nevcairiel | Chromium does it that way, since its open source it cant include their own h264 decoder |
| 19:21.27 | nevcairiel | so on linux it can just link against ffmpeg libs |
| 19:22.10 | nevcairiel | I'm still unsure if you're breaking some patent or license laws if you do that in the US, though =P |
| 19:22.20 | Kraps | <--- 57 hps |
| 19:22.30 | Dagmar | Linking against libs? Not that I'm aware of |
| 19:22.35 | nevcairiel | Well using those libs |
| 19:22.49 | nevcairiel | i would be surprised if ffmpeg actually payed the h264 fee |
| 19:22.54 | Dagmar | Not unless the author put some licence restriction on them |
| 19:23.09 | nevcairiel | I mean all those software patents only affect the US anyway |
| 19:23.25 | Dagmar | ...then there's likely be a lot of pointed questions about "why the hell were you shipping an so lib in the first place?" |
| 19:23.48 | nevcairiel | its linux, they usually don't ship the lib, they require the package manager to install it for you |
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| 19:24.35 | Dagmar | If you want a parallel for this, just baout everyone's Linux machine will play commercial DVDs just fine... provided that you have libdecss. |
| 19:24.42 | Dagmar | Where you got that from is _your_ deal |
| 19:25.02 | nevcairiel | most linux distros just install it anyway |
| 19:25.07 | Dagmar | Some do |
| 19:25.18 | Dagmar | Far from all of them |
| 19:25.29 | nevcairiel | yeah some disallow any non-free stuff |
| 19:25.48 | nevcairiel | sadly i don't see bluray support happening on linux soon |
| 19:26.00 | Dagmar | Well, they'd also have to get a licence to ship the library |
| 19:26.09 | Dagmar | ...which for many distros, the response is "HAHHHA" |
| 19:26.44 | nevcairiel | a license for the library? |
| 19:26.46 | Adys | bluray is the updating of a technology that has issues |
| 19:26.55 | Adys | and that doesnt fix those issues |
| 19:27.04 | Dagmar | Well, it sort of does |
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| 19:27.24 | Dagmar | The issues facing a company trying to create a total media lockdown are now squared away much more thoroughly |
| 19:27.37 | Adys | its not about that |
| 19:27.43 | Adys | what are the problems with cds and dvds? |
| 19:27.52 | nevcairiel | not big enough :P |
| 19:28.04 | Adys | they're read only, take ages burning, easily get corrupt/unreadable |
| 19:28.11 | Dagmar | With no unencrypted discs out there, there's not really any way anyone can start shipping a player with the justification that they shouldn't have to pay into the licencing consortium |
| 19:28.17 | Adys | flash memory is the awesome alternative |
| 19:28.32 | Adys | it's pluggable with any sort of usb/esata shit |
| 19:28.36 | Dagmar | CDs have no problem because there's no onerous restrictions on playing them |
| 19:28.48 | nevcairiel | Why would you sell a movie on a writeable medium? |
| 19:28.56 | Adys | but it's too expensive per mb to be distributed easily |
| 19:29.01 | nevcairiel | Can just offer digital download then |
| 19:29.09 | Dagmar | DVDs don't have a serious problem because anyone with a brain can get ahold of decss code, and no one's really gone after anyone for the menu technology which is quite optional |
| 19:29.13 | Adys | nevcairiel: Why wouldnt you? |
| 19:29.18 | nevcairiel | which many people don't want, because its just freaking big |
| 19:29.19 | Adys | the question you need to ask here is |
| 19:29.31 | Adys | "Why do you need a medium to be read only to sell a movie?" |
| 19:29.35 | Adys | you dont |
| 19:29.50 | nevcairiel | You don't have to change a medium if its filled with the movie already |
| 19:30.02 | Adys | you dont care about it being read only |
| 19:30.06 | Adys | but that goes both ways |
| 19:30.12 | Adys | it doesnt HAVE to be read only just because it can be |
| 19:30.18 | nevcairiel | Its easier |
| 19:30.24 | Adys | No it's not |
| 19:30.30 | Adys | it doesn't bring any sort of benefit |
| 19:30.45 | Adys | If you want a flash medium to be read only, you slap a read-only filesystem on it |
| 19:30.57 | DWSR | slap it on a read only filesystem? |
| 19:31.00 | Adys | but if you dont care, you dont have to go lengths to make it so |
| 19:31.03 | nevcairiel | besides, flash stick can easily corrupt as well. how do flash mediums behave to strong magnetic fields these days? |
| 19:31.32 | Adys | usb sticks dont have any issue with that |
| 19:31.41 | Adys | as long as you dont open them |
| 19:31.56 | Dagmar | Adys: I think perhaps you've confused about the nature of a monopoly |
| 19:32.04 | nevcairiel | also flash mediums are not available in that size and speed right now |
| 19:32.08 | Dagmar | The point is that NO ONE gets to play unless they've paid money to the monopoly |
| 19:32.19 | nevcairiel | give me a 50gb flash stick that can be read at the speed of a bluray |
| 19:32.21 | nevcairiel | for the same price |
| 19:32.21 | Adys | yeah and i dont give a shit about that Im thinking for the user |
| 19:32.23 | Adys | not for the company |
| 19:32.32 | Dagmar | You don't do bluray at all unless you've paid money to the consortium controlling the technology |
| 19:32.50 | Adys | nevcairiel: I dont have any, thats my point |
| 19:32.51 | Dagmar | They left parts of the system uncovered with DVD. They've learned their lesson. |
| 19:32.55 | Adys | bluray fixes non-issues |
| 19:33.03 | Dagmar | Non-issues for you. |
| 19:33.10 | Adys | I DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT COMPANIES |
| 19:33.12 | Dagmar | "Not everyone is paying us money" issues for them. |
| 19:33.12 | Adys | LALALALALA |
| 19:33.25 | Adys | IM NOT A CEO LOOK AT ME |
| 19:33.44 | Dagmar | Hey man, I own zero bluray discs and generally have no intention of buying any, ever. |
| 19:33.48 | Dagmar | Not until they loosen up |
| 19:33.50 | Adys | nor do i |
| 19:33.54 | Adys | nevcairiel: take this for example |
| 19:34.05 | Adys | I buy a movie. whatever |
| 19:34.26 | Adys | I want to give it to a friend. i keep it on the same flasher and add a couple of fan arts or whatever kind of shit i want with it |
| 19:34.44 | Adys | IF I wanted to do that with a dvd, given I only have one dvd drive, I'd have to.. |
| 19:34.47 | Adys | buy a new dvd |
| 19:34.59 | Adys | write all the contents of the dvd on my drive |
| 19:35.10 | nevcairiel | that doesn't really sound like a common use-case |
| 19:35.12 | Adys | then burn it all on the new dvd with the content included |
| 19:35.17 | Adys | duh |
| 19:35.21 | Adys | of course its not common |
| 19:35.25 | Adys | because its not POSSIBLE |
| 19:35.31 | Dagmar | Then explain to the lawyers why you just infringed |
| 19:36.03 | nevcairiel | then go become a CEO and push that new format of writeable media :P |
| 19:36.06 | Adys | still in a very user point of view, the flash stick is likely to come with a mini-movie-ad slapped on it |
| 19:36.22 | Dagmar | Jus tlike you're not allowed to buy commercial software, modify it, and then resell it |
| 19:36.25 | Adys | and its not a new fucking format |
| 19:36.35 | Adys | its the same as ever, just it needs to be cheaper |
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| 19:37.04 | Dagmar | "cheaper"? |
| 19:37.20 | nevcairiel | optical discs are damn cheap to produce, if it was possible to build flash media in that size and speed in cheap, people would also do it |
| 19:37.24 | Dagmar | I suppose someone will have to find a way to manufacture the discs with less expensive materaisl. |
| 19:37.27 | Adys | AND it's not under a company lockdown. if the hardware becomes as close as it gets to free, distributors don't have to worry about paying fat patents to distribute on other media |
| 19:37.38 | Dagmar | The idea of selling the _finished product_ for less is pretty much alien to these people. |
| 19:37.51 | Adys | I know Dagmar |
| 19:38.16 | Adys | but these conditions are not stable |
| 19:38.23 | Dagmar | Oh they're quite stable. |
| 19:38.27 | Adys | no, they arent |
| 19:38.30 | Adys | for one simple reason |
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| 19:38.35 | Dagmar | They're just not in the least bit beneficial to the consumer. |
| 19:38.37 | Adys | with flash, you are talking price per gigabyte |
| 19:38.43 | Lunessa | ... So basically you're saying the content has no monetary value, and it's all the medium? |
| 19:38.48 | Adys | with discs, you are talking price per piece |
| 19:39.31 | Adys | bluray gives disks a few more years ahead IF they get massively adopted (which i guess the fat companies are pushing for) |
| 19:39.51 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/ipad4.jpg |
| 19:40.02 | nevcairiel | the only beef i have with bluray is that i can't play it without a commercial player, but i worked around that issue by getting AnyDVD-HD and can now watch it with my opensource movie player |
| 19:40.02 | Adys | meanwhile, flash is exponentially growing, and getting slowly cheaper. there WILL be a point where flash memory will become less expensive |
| 19:40.25 | Adys | and if you want to distribute 5 seasons of very-hd series of 45 mins |
| 19:40.37 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: yeah but for most people ripping an 8-20gb video isn't an option |
| 19:40.38 | Adys | you wont be able to stick to one bluray |
| 19:40.48 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: dont have to rip it |
| 19:41.00 | Adys | mikma: cute |
| 19:41.00 | nevcairiel | its a transparent filter that just decrypts the disc when you access it |
| 19:41.21 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: The last actual rational study I saw about DVD piracy pretty much cited the hassle of such a big load of data as the #1 reason people don't bother |
| 19:41.33 | Dagmar | They just get scene rips instead of cloning discs themselves. |
| 19:41.47 | nevcairiel | You just install AnyDVD and you can just access the disc in explorer like it was not encrypted |
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| 19:42.13 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: I know. I've got AnyDVD. I've not gotten the other one because I'm just rejecting bluray |
| 19:42.22 | Dagmar | Votin' with mah wallet |
| 19:42.24 | zenzelezz | huggles Lopeppeppy with the intensity of a thousand desert suns |
| 19:42.24 | DWSR | Dagmar:I rent then copy. |
| 19:42.39 | Dagmar | dwsr: You realize they make more money that way, right? |
| 19:42.42 | nevcairiel | btw, 20gb is small for a bluray, usually the main movie >30 :P |
| 19:42.53 | Dagmar | You give them money, and htey don't actually have to give you _anything_ because you return it |
| 19:43.07 | Lopeppeppy | Woot, sunshine huggles! |
| 19:43.23 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Yeah, in #MythTV-users there is at LEAST one person per day who wanted to know how to play bluray under Linux |
| 19:43.24 | DWSR | more money that what? |
| 19:43.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'm tired. I just got handed the load of crap I have to do while the boss is gone. I cry now. |
| 19:43.25 | cogwheel | Aren't all suns deserts? |
| 19:43.31 | Dagmar | Our generally advice was "hahah buy a ps3" |
| 19:43.35 | Dagmar | er general |
| 19:43.39 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/gifki_103.gif |
| 19:43.47 | nevcairiel | yeah sadly thats not possible |
| 19:43.50 | DWSR | Dagmar: More money than what? |
| 19:43.53 | nevcairiel | on linux you really have to rip the movie |
| 19:44.00 | Dagmar | dwsr: More money than if you'd bought the thing outright. |
| 19:44.10 | Dagmar | Rentals are actually pretty big money |
| 19:44.21 | nevcairiel | But you yourself pay less |
| 19:44.30 | nevcairiel | so people are not bothered by that |
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| 19:46.14 | nevcairiel | I dunno, i just wouldnt buy a dvd anymore when i can get the same movie on bluray, on my tv there just is a difference |
| 19:46.26 | ZorbaTHut | adys, I don't know if I believe flash will ever pass optical discs |
| 19:47.05 | ZorbaTHut | optical discs are really just ridiculously cheap to make, and the sheer physical construction issues of flash memory makes it relatively expensive. I mean a USB dongle is always going to be more expensive than a disc of plastic just due to that. |
| 19:47.06 | DWSR | Dagmar: what nev said. |
| 19:47.08 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: As long as optical discs retain their flaws, it will |
| 19:47.35 | ZorbaTHut | which flaws are you referring to? they're pretty much fine for most users |
| 19:47.35 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, but say 10 years from now blurays arent enough anymore |
| 19:47.42 | Adys | say we need 800 gb |
| 19:47.47 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:47.50 | nevcairiel | they'll come up with a new optical disc |
| 19:47.51 | Adys | and say theres a new optical disk format that does just that |
| 19:47.58 | Adys | how cheap is it going to be really? |
| 19:48.09 | ZorbaTHut | to mass-produce? pretty dang cheap |
| 19:48.09 | Adys | unlike flash memory you cant just keep stuffing shit |
| 19:48.24 | Adys | you have to come up with more efficient layering and what other stuff |
| 19:48.40 | Adys | and who says it's still going to be plastic then |
| 19:48.53 | ZorbaTHut | with flash memory you have to fabricate chips and circuit boards and packaging |
| 19:48.57 | Dagmar | I've got a DVD player and I'm fine with it. |
| 19:48.59 | nevcairiel | Its not like flash memory works universally, with higher capacity also comes higher transfer speed |
| 19:49.07 | nevcairiel | so you need better flash media |
| 19:49.12 | nevcairiel | which is more expensive again |
| 19:49.13 | Dagmar | I will *not* pay one *cent* to the media consortium behind bluray if I can help it |
| 19:49.14 | ZorbaTHut | that's just fundamentally pricier. there's a reason you can't get new 16mb flash modules for cents |
| 19:49.16 | Dagmar | Not one damn penny |
| 19:49.31 | ZorbaTHut | it's because the basic physical framework costs a significant amount to start with |
| 19:49.32 | Dagmar | Patents and copyrights are supposed to be a give-and-take scenario |
| 19:49.50 | Dagmar | These companies are no longer interested in ever releasing anything into the public domain, or even allowing fair use of the media |
| 19:49.52 | Dagmar | So screw them. |
| 19:49.59 | DWSR | I pirate all ma blu-ray. |
| 19:50.03 | ZorbaTHut | meanwhile, as of two years ago, blu-ray was around $1/disc |
| 19:50.04 | DWSR | I can't even play it on anything. |
| 19:50.06 | DWSR | And I pirate it. |
| 19:50.08 | Dagmar | dwsr: Good for you |
| 19:50.14 | DWSR | :)\ |
| 19:50.16 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: of course, but you have to take in account that optical discs wont be always as cheap to make |
| 19:50.20 | nevcairiel | I only pirate what i can't get here |
| 19:50.23 | nevcairiel | like US tv shows <.< |
| 19:50.29 | ZorbaTHut | adys, why won't they be? |
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| 19:51.07 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: and that optical disks do have flaws I refered to (never writable, not easily/often updated, needs new reading devices every time a new format comes out) |
| 19:51.16 | Adys | +f |
| 19:51.24 | nevcairiel | Adys: you might also need new flash readers every few years |
| 19:51.30 | ZorbaTHut | adys, it's true, but I think most people don't care that much about that |
| 19:51.31 | Dagmar | The new format argument is moot |
| 19:51.31 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Why? USB works great. |
| 19:51.43 | Dagmar | You can't just stick flash into anything "flash" and have it work either |
| 19:51.43 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, if I'm buying a movie, I don't intend to use it for writable storage |
| 19:51.48 | nevcairiel | DWSR: what? usb 2.0? thats going to be too slow in a while |
| 19:51.57 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: USB works great as DWSR said, and USB3 is way ahead of bluray rates |
| 19:51.57 | ZorbaTHut | and for that matter, if I was buying a movie on a USB stick, it wouldn't be writable |
| 19:51.59 | Adys | er |
| 19:51.59 | Dagmar | Too slow for WHAT? |
| 19:51.59 | Adys | nevcairiel: * |
| 19:52.00 | DWSR | nevcairiel: We're coming to esata and USB3. |
| 19:52.03 | Dagmar | 3D Imax? |
| 19:52.05 | ZorbaTHut | they'd be using cheaper read-only memory |
| 19:52.07 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Why not? |
| 19:52.09 | Dagmar | For four-eyed bug aliens? |
| 19:52.22 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: you can do that |
| 19:52.23 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, writable costs money. ROMs are far cheaper in bulk. |
| 19:52.26 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: you cant do the opposite :) |
| 19:52.35 | Dagmar | If your video requires more than 480Mbps, you're apparnetly broadcasting in 3845x2057 |
| 19:52.38 | nevcairiel | Adys: in 10 years with your 800gb medium, usb 3.0 is probably too slow as well. |
| 19:53.03 | DWSR | except that no computer will get 480mbps |
| 19:53.09 | nevcairiel | 800gb for a 2 hour movie, what bitrate do we have there? |
| 19:53.11 | ZorbaTHut | also explain to me why I need more bandwidth than a blu-ray disc provides in order to play blu-ray movies :P |
| 19:53.16 | Adys | nevcairiel: 800gb, even for a 2 hour movie |
| 19:53.21 | Adys | usb 3 should handle it |
| 19:53.25 | Dagmar | Probably because it'll be spending all it's CPU cycles dealing with the decryption of the DRM |
| 19:53.30 | ZorbaTHut | nev, 114 megabytes/sec |
| 19:53.42 | nevcairiel | whats the specified transfer rate of usb 3.0? |
| 19:53.56 | DWSR | A lot. |
| 19:53.57 | Adys | !f usb3 data rate |
| 19:54.00 | Adys | !g usb3 data rate |
| 19:54.01 | batbot | Adys: USB 3.0 brings optical connection in 2008 | Crave - CNET <http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9780794-1.html> |
| 19:54.07 | Adys | ffs |
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| 19:54.13 | Adys | 4.8GBps |
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| 19:54.15 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 1268 minutes |
| 19:54.20 | Dagmar | They're "targeting" 350Mb/s |
| 19:54.23 | Adys | ~shiibot++ |
| 19:54.27 | DWSR | indeed. |
| 19:54.38 | Adys | er sorry yeah |
| 19:54.39 | Adys | Gbps |
| 19:54.39 | nevcairiel | 4.8gbps apparently |
| 19:54.44 | Dagmar | ...as in 350megabytes |
| 19:54.45 | DWSR | 4.8Gbps is what they're after. |
| 19:54.56 | DWSR | What Dagmar said. |
| 19:54.59 | nevcairiel | thats a hell of a flash medium |
| 19:55.02 | Adys | !g 4.8Gb in MB |
| 19:55.03 | batbot | Adys: HP OmniBook XE2 - C 433 MHz - RAM 32 MB - HDD 4.8 GB - CD ... <http://www.theminilaptop.net/hp-omnibook-xe2-c-433-mhz-ram-32-mb-hdd-48-gb-cd-lynxem4-win9598-121-tft-800-x-600-black.html> |
| 19:55.06 | ZorbaTHut | basically I don't see any reason why things would move to flash drives for bulk read-only data transmission. online streaming, maybe. bigger discs, sure. maaaaybe ROMs, though I don't actually believe that |
| 19:55.06 | Adys | fof |
| 19:55.11 | Dagmar | Like there's literally no way a video should require anything near that |
| 19:55.12 | ZorbaTHut | RW memory? no way |
| 19:55.22 | DWSR | Dagmar: Why not? |
| 19:55.22 | nevcairiel | thats 600mb/s |
| 19:55.25 | Adys | anyway |
| 19:55.33 | Adys | thats 800gb for TWO HOURS of movie |
| 19:55.40 | DWSR | So? |
| 19:55.48 | Adys | im sorry if someone comes up with amazing formats and advancements |
| 19:55.48 | Adys | but |
| 19:55.49 | Dagmar | DWSR: Dude, assuming 120 fps with h.264 compression that still comes out to a ludicrous resolution |
| 19:55.58 | Adys | it seems insanely big for something 10 years from now |
| 19:55.58 | DWSR | Dagmar: You're working in terms of current technology. |
| 19:56.03 | Dagmar | No I'm not |
| 19:56.03 | nevcairiel | why would people increase fps? |
| 19:56.07 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, holograms, baby |
| 19:56.10 | DWSR | Extrapolate the current rate of resolution increase to 10 years from now. |
| 19:56.13 | Dagmar | I'm thinking about what's realistic to expect from human eyes |
| 19:56.21 | nevcairiel | 1080p movies will hold us for a while |
| 19:56.25 | nevcairiel | short of 3D material |
| 19:56.28 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:56.29 | DWSR | Bingo. |
| 19:56.39 | Adys | my original point stands |
| 19:56.43 | ZorbaTHut | though honestly that would be stupid and there's no reason for 3d movies to take more than twice the space :P |
| 19:56.43 | Dagmar | If you had a 47" screen that had the same resolution as some of these netbooks, it would be a huge waste of money |
| 19:56.48 | nevcairiel | but they are already working on 200gb blurays that are compatible to the current player hardware |
| 19:56.49 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Why not? |
| 19:56.51 | ZorbaTHut | (three times the space if you want to include a 2d version also) |
| 19:56.52 | nevcairiel | so thats good for 3D |
| 19:56.53 | Dagmar | or rather the same DPI, not resolution |
| 19:57.01 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, nobody is going to want to change the viewpoint by hand inside a movie |
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| 19:57.10 | ZorbaTHut | it's been tried with DVD multiple video streams, nobody cares |
| 19:57.13 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: it has nothing to do with changing the viewpoint inside the movie. |
| 19:57.16 | Adys | which is, you don't need to usually update your device reader to read a flash drive |
| 19:57.17 | Dagmar | You couldn't tell whether that detail was there or not unless you were sitting a foot from the screen like a two year old |
| 19:57.23 | DWSR | Why not put yourself in the fucking movie? |
| 19:57.23 | ZorbaTHut | if you have a fixed viewpoint you may as well just provide one video stream for each eye, bam, done |
| 19:57.46 | nevcairiel | thats how 3d movies work, fwiw |
| 19:57.47 | DWSR | Just think of some really far out wacky shit that you see in scifi movies. |
| 19:57.57 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, like, in an interactive sense, or just "oh we are looking around in space, I can look around 360 degrees"? |
| 19:58.06 | nevcairiel | in cinemas they half the projection resolution to provide both images |
| 19:58.08 | Shirik | !quit core update |
| 19:58.08 | ZorbaTHut | or "I can walk around in the set while they talk"? |
| 19:58.09 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Either or. |
| 19:58.17 | ZorbaTHut | an interactive sense is called a video game, not a movie |
| 19:58.22 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Sure. |
| 19:58.27 | nevcairiel | holo suites in 10 years, go! |
| 19:58.30 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:58.30 | ZorbaTHut | "looking around" has been tried and nobody is interested. I mean we've been there. |
| 19:58.40 | DWSR | I want the fucking display that the kid has in Gamer, kthx. |
| 19:58.44 | Dagmar | What they're using for high-def 3D Imax digital movies can't tax the bandwidth we were talking about |
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| 19:59.12 | DWSR | I look at it this way. |
| 19:59.16 | nevcairiel | Would be interesting to know what format those movies come in to the cinema |
| 19:59.26 | DWSR | If we make the bandwidth available, SOMEONE is going to have a use for it somewhere. |
| 19:59.26 | Dagmar | h.264 |
| 19:59.27 | ZorbaTHut | when people watch movies they just want to watch the movie, it turns out. interactivity tends to be far deeper than that. |
| 19:59.39 | DWSR | Just because we can't think of it, doesn't mean that someone somewhere doesn't have a good idea. |
| 19:59.49 | DWSR | nevcairiel: On a film reel. |
| 19:59.58 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: those media can be used for other things than just "watchable movies" |
| 19:59.59 | nevcairiel | shh its all digital these days |
| 20:00.00 | ZorbaTHut | nev, in modern theaters, they literally get a storage server with a hard drive or two, from what I understand |
| 20:00.05 | Adys | as retarded as some stuff is |
| 20:00.07 | Shirik | !reload |
| 20:00.07 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 20:00.17 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Thought you were talking about IMAX. |
| 20:00.18 | Dagmar | dwsr: Actually a lot of places are doing digital distribution to theatres now |
| 20:00.25 | DWSR | Shirik: rename shiibot to EDI for a while plz? |
| 20:00.30 | Shirik | EDI? |
| 20:00.31 | Dagmar | dwsr: lol |
| 20:00.36 | DWSR | yes. |
| 20:00.38 | DWSR | Just, do it. |
| 20:00.39 | DWSR | please. |
| 20:00.43 | Dagmar | Shirik: It's a Mass Effect 2 reference |
| 20:00.49 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 20:00.54 | Dagmar | EDI is the onboard AI on the new ship |
| 20:01.04 | DWSR | Who has "restricted functions" |
| 20:01.04 | Shirik | !quote NICK :EDI |
| 20:01.05 | batbot | Shirik, nick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 20:01.12 | DWSR | :D |
| 20:01.15 | DWSR | Win |
| 20:01.23 | DWSR | Dagmar: have you played much since yesterday? |
| 20:01.39 | Dagmar | dwsr: No, as much as I wanted to I just went to bed instead |
| 20:01.41 | Dagmar | Today will be a long day |
| 20:01.44 | Adys | ~batbot-- |
| 20:01.51 | Dagmar | ...and the drive home tonight should be a real adventure. |
| 20:01.55 | ZorbaTHut | adys, what will you spend that much space on, though? I mean, there's only so much behind-the-scenes-footage you can cram in |
| 20:01.55 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:01.56 | Dagmar | Probably with screaming and explosions. |
| 20:02.01 | ZorbaTHut | and if it's not full motion video, it takes up negligable space |
| 20:02.13 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: I want all of the stock footage. |
| 20:02.14 | DWSR | All of it. |
| 20:02.22 | DWSR | I want every deleted scene EVER. |
| 20:02.23 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: Well you can stuff more than just one movie in it |
| 20:02.26 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 20:02.28 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think they want you to have it ;) |
| 20:02.43 | Adys | You can stuff all of the seasons, all of the movies and all of the spin offs |
| 20:02.44 | Adys | :P |
| 20:02.47 | ZorbaTHut | adys, you can, but why? the vast majority of the cost is the licensing fees for the movie anyway, the packaging is minimal |
| 20:02.50 | DWSR | Dagmar: You're about 50% through the story line in terms of mandatory missions, btw. |
| 20:02.51 | Dagmar | The "winter storm" began a noon, continues until tomorrow, and we _already_ had an inch of "frozen stuff" all over everything. |
| 20:02.51 | nevcairiel | that reminds me of the announced LotR bluray set, they just crammed all the movies on it and didnt include most of the awesome extras, even though bluray certainly has the space |
| 20:03.00 | ZorbaTHut | they don't *want* you to have a pile of movies on a single disc |
| 20:03.07 | Adys | Why not? |
| 20:03.11 | Adys | it would sell quite well |
| 20:03.16 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: What about something like a tv series? |
| 20:03.26 | ZorbaTHut | because then you look at it and wonder why you're paying $50 for a single disc with three movies on it |
| 20:03.28 | nevcairiel | A season on one disc would be nice |
| 20:03.30 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: That's so a year from now they can release the "Collectors Special Edition" |
| 20:03.36 | ZorbaTHut | I mean it's a single disc, we all know that single discs cost $15 right |
| 20:03.44 | ZorbaTHut | it's marketing at that point. |
| 20:03.46 | Adys | You're selling stuff that the user may not want, but EVERYTHING the user wants is in ONE place |
| 20:03.48 | DWSR | Dagmar: The remaining 50% is a fucking roller coaster, I'll just put it that way. |
| 20:03.49 | Adys | exactly |
| 20:03.52 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: And then the next year the "Collectors Platinum Extended Edition" |
| 20:04.04 | Adys | anyway it's a good selling point ("Look. you have all the stuff in here!") |
| 20:04.08 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: And then the next year the "Director's Cut Super Premium Edition" |
| 20:04.13 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: probably, at least they didnt try to sneak the non-extended movies on there |
| 20:04.15 | Adys | and, it's good for marketing (duplicating sales) |
| 20:04.18 | DWSR | Dagmar: And then you have the "classic collectors edition" |
| 20:04.26 | nevcairiel | actually, with bluray magics you can toggle if you want cinema or extended edition |
| 20:04.40 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Oh, you mean exactly like the DVDs? |
| 20:04.51 | nevcairiel | I never saw that option on my extended dvds |
| 20:04.54 | DWSR | extended lotr in 1080p is an epic, btw. |
| 20:04.58 | Dagmar | dwsr: You mean the one I have, where if you keep pushing the right button, you can hear just about EVERY SOB IN THE MOVIE talk about their experience shooting that scene, or hanging out in the trailers while it was being shot |
| 20:05.07 | nevcairiel | DWSR: you downloaded those fake upscales? =P |
| 20:05.12 | Dagmar | I was like "Daaaaamn how much audio is ON here anyway? |
| 20:05.21 | nevcairiel | they didnt release lotr in real 1080p material yet |
| 20:05.30 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:05.34 | DWSR | I looked at it. |
| 20:05.36 | DWSR | Says 720p on it. |
| 20:05.46 | DWSR | I misread and read from my Matrix rip |
| 20:05.53 | DWSR | Still epic though |
| 20:05.54 | Dagmar | The one where if you pause it in the right place you can see Frank Black, and then when you push play again you'll see Buffy the Vampire Slayer giving Darth Vader a hummer |
| 20:06.00 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:06.00 | nevcairiel | some idiot upscaled it and applied some enhancement filters |
| 20:06.15 | Adys | ~idiot++ |
| 20:06.17 | nevcairiel | maybe they got the 720p from some hdtv |
| 20:06.19 | Adys | ~karma idiot |
| 20:06.19 | purl | idiot has karma of 2 |
| 20:06.25 | Adys | heh |
| 20:06.26 | nevcairiel | but i saw a fake 1080p somewhere |
| 20:06.33 | nevcairiel | was quite funny :P |
| 20:06.38 | DWSR | nevcairiel: mhm |
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| 20:07.01 | Shirik | !reload |
| 20:07.02 | nevcairiel | i actually loaded one of those |
| 20:07.02 | EDI | Cannot reload AI. Using fail safes. ai.lua:813: unfinished string near '"PRIVMSG);' |
| 20:07.03 | DWSR | 1TB up on private trackers with only 51GB down. |
| 20:07.06 | nevcairiel | xvid encoded <.< |
| 20:07.14 | nevcairiel | can only be bad |
| 20:07.16 | Shirik | !reload |
| 20:07.16 | DWSR | nom nom. |
| 20:07.16 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 20:07.21 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Bad for my harddrive. |
| 20:07.33 | DWSR | I have 18k songs that I need to go through and correct the tags on. |
| 20:07.35 | Shirik | EDI should handle channel CTCPs a little better now I think |
| 20:07.36 | Dagmar | You only have one? |
| 20:07.37 | DWSR | Fucking scene releases, jesus christ. |
| 20:07.48 | Shirik | will be more aggressive on getting rid of people, but less aggressive on locking the entire channel |
| 20:08.05 | DWSR | Shirik: Is locking the entire channel a "restricted function"? |
| 20:08.09 | Shirik | sure :P |
| 20:08.11 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you bothered to fix it now, while in about 10 hours they'll upgrade the IRCD and give you channel mode +C which blocks channel CTCPs? :P |
| 20:08.13 | DWSR | That can only be unlocked by Joker going to the AI core? |
| 20:08.15 | Shirik | I know nevcairiel |
| 20:08.18 | Shirik | but it was 3 lines of code |
| 20:08.27 | DWSR | nevcairiel: +C will also block /me |
| 20:08.31 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:08.46 | Dagmar | DWSR: That's because it's a CTCP directed to a channel. |
| 20:08.59 | DWSR | uhuh |
| 20:09.07 | DWSR | Small flaw in +C. |
| 20:09.17 | Dagmar | ^AACTION :gives an example.^A |
| 20:09.20 | Shirik | you know, I never considered it. Kinda stupid of me... |
| 20:09.25 | Shirik | I always knew it was \1ACTION : |
| 20:09.30 | Shirik | but never occurred to me that it was a CTCP |
| 20:09.33 | DWSR | ;) |
| 20:09.36 | Lopeppeppy | "When Eddie said he didn't like his teddy you knew he was a no-good kid." |
| 20:09.41 | Dagmar | Yes that's what the ^A's are all about |
| 20:09.59 | DWSR | So, EDI's programming is a good idea. |
| 20:10.04 | Dagmar | ...but when he threatens your life with a switch-blade knife... |
| 20:10.09 | Lopeppeppy | What a guy. |
| 20:10.09 | Shirik | well I honestly have no idea if it works |
| 20:10.14 | Dagmar | Makes ya cry |
| 20:10.15 | DWSR | Shall I test? |
| 20:10.33 | DWSR | LOL |
| 20:10.37 | DWSR | (15:10:30) -> [#wowuidev] ( This ) is a test. |
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| 20:10.42 | Shirik | uh |
| 20:10.42 | DWSR | ckknight you're so silly. |
| 20:10.46 | ckknight | DWSR: what? |
| 20:10.47 | Shirik | it only monitors CTCP/VERSION :P |
| 20:10.53 | Shirik | for now |
| 20:11.07 | DWSR | ckknight: You've got an autoresponder for chan CTCPs. |
| 20:11.10 | ckknight | k |
| 20:12.21 | Dagmar | You mgiht as well make sure it boots for stacked CTCPs |
| 20:12.26 | nevcairiel | hm apparently freenodes implementation of +C really blocks /me .. kinda a fail design, they should fix that =P |
| 20:12.32 | Dagmar | Any stacked CTCP to a channel is questionable |
| 20:12.53 | nevcairiel | QuakeNets +C blocks everything short of ACTION |
| 20:13.08 | Shirik | That's handled by other modules |
| 20:13.16 | Dagmar | So snatch their diff and submit it to the tracker used for Freenode |
| 20:13.30 | Dagmar | Shirik: k |
| 20:13.38 | Shirik | this change wasn't to add any functionality to Shiibot/EDI, it was just to fine-tune things to make it more convenient for us |
| 20:13.56 | Dagmar | So the kung-fu grip module didn't get added in? |
| 20:14.00 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:14.18 | Shirik | feel free to write it :P |
| 20:14.22 | Shirik | it's in Lua, it can do anything! |
| 20:15.11 | Dagmar | I'll bet it can't find amusement in the name "Mother Eressa's School For Young Gerkin Polishers" |
| 20:15.31 | Dagmar | s/Young/Refined Young/; |
| 20:16.10 | olafski | hum wow is only playing half the sounds it's supposed to it seems :< |
| 20:16.17 | Kraps | Lunessa: |
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| 20:17.41 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rRf #shiibot] by EDI |
| 20:17.41 | EDI | Channel locked temporarily. Time since last lockdown (in minutes): 19 minutes |
| 20:17.47 | Shirik | blah |
| 20:17.49 | Shirik | you fail |
| 20:18.29 | Shirik | ERROR: While performing analysis 14: ai.lua:809: attempt to concatenate a nil value <--- -_- |
| 20:18.36 | Shirik | Well at least I know if one module fails the system still works! |
| 20:19.16 | DWSR | Shirik: /nick IllusiveMan |
| 20:19.20 | DWSR | imo |
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| 20:19.48 | Shirik | CRAP |
| 20:19.53 | Shirik | I've been doing too much PCRE lately |
| 20:20.04 | Shirik | return "REMOVE #wowuidev :" .. mask:match("(.*?)!"); |
| 20:20.12 | DWSR | You can never had too much PCRE. |
| 20:20.12 | DWSR | s/had/have/ |
| 20:20.22 | nevcairiel | heh no thats not lua pattern :P |
| 20:20.23 | DWSR | That's a bit of a generalisation |
| 20:20.37 | DWSR | Doesn't Lua have a PCRE library? |
| 20:20.41 | nevcairiel | btw, REMOVE is an awesome feature |
| 20:21.08 | nevcairiel | irc clients get confused and think they really just parted by user request :d |
| 20:21.09 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-rRf] by Shirik |
| 20:21.10 | Shirik | !reload |
| 20:21.10 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 20:21.17 | DWSR | nevcairiel: That's the whole point of it. |
| 20:21.37 | DWSR | It's not that the IRC clients get confused. |
| 20:21.40 | nevcairiel | I should get up early tomorrow and see freenode burn on the upgrade |
| 20:22.02 | DWSR | It's that the IRC server remvoes them from the channel while making it look like a client requested /part |
| 20:23.19 | DWSR | iirc, remove's a freenode specific feature, right? |
| 20:23.25 | Shirik | !reload |
| 20:23.26 | EDI | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 20:23.26 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:23.35 | Shirik | I don't know if seven has it or not |
| 20:23.41 | DWSR | I would imagine it does. |
| 20:23.50 | DWSR | Mostly because that was the whole point of forking charibdys |
| 20:23.51 | NeoTron | EDI. Lol. |
| 20:23.56 | Shirik | blame DWSR |
| 20:24.00 | DWSR | Please do |
| 20:24.28 | nevcairiel | hm even if i contacted that guy that did most of the dev work on seven now, i doubt he would be willing to spend the next 10 hours implementing the exempt for ACTION and testing it properly until it goes live =P |
| 20:24.32 | DWSR | Is seven going to have +vhoaq? |
| 20:24.54 | DWSR | nevcairiel: It's probably too late anyway, this close to the release. |
| 20:25.28 | NeoTron | I love the people that say they finished ME2 in 20 hrs... I definitely won't be - you can't possibly listen through all voiceovers and do that |
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| 20:25.57 | Shirik | crap |
| 20:25.58 | DWSR | NeoTron: I played about 60-70% of the content and I did. |
| 20:25.59 | durcyn | i skipped most of the voiceovers and finished in 16 hours or so |
| 20:26.02 | Shirik | how do I send a ctcp over telnet :/ |
| 20:26.03 | DWSR | About 22 hours |
| 20:26.16 | Shirik | lua> return "\1" |
| 20:26.19 | NeoTron | durcyn: which is like a "duh". |
| 20:26.22 | nevcairiel | just privmsg a \1 |
| 20:26.24 | Dagmar | Shirik: Do whatever you have to do to send chr(1), which is generally going to be ctrl-A |
| 20:26.29 | durcyn | NeoTron: duh yourself! |
| 20:26.32 | NeoTron | it's like fast forwarding all dialog in a movie and complainnig it was only 30 minutes long |
| 20:26.34 | DWSR | Shirik: Can't you just use CTCP :something? |
| 20:26.46 | nevcairiel | ctcp is no command |
| 20:26.49 | Dagmar | dwsr: Typing CTCP doesn't work |
| 20:26.56 | nevcairiel | its a specially formated privmsg |
| 20:26.58 | Dagmar | CTCPs are *all* a string surrounded by ^A's |
| 20:26.59 | NeoTron | to be clear, playing it that way is fine but don't complain about it being short |
| 20:27.10 | durcyn | NeoTron: can i complain about you being short? |
| 20:27.14 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:27.15 | DWSR | bbl |
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| 20:27.21 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: CTCP can go over any message type, including notice |
| 20:27.52 | Dagmar | ...although IIRC replies are supposed to be notices to avoid a loop |
| 20:27.54 | nevcairiel | any message type is funny, how many are there short of privmsg and notice? =P |
| 20:28.15 | Fisker | sure you can NeoTron |
| 20:28.23 | nevcairiel | .. that are used for actual messages |
| 20:28.29 | Fisker | the story isn't that big |
| 20:28.41 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: I don't thikn they were thinking that far ahead |
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| 20:29.04 | Dagmar | When that RFC was written they didn't have the veritable cornucopia of uncooperative pinheads that exist today |
| 20:29.15 | Dagmar | If you didn't like IRC you just didn't use it. You didn't spend hours trying to break it. |
| 20:29.27 | Dagmar | You'd go back to using ytalk. ;) |
| 20:29.29 | NeoTron | very possible |
| 20:29.38 | NeoTron | but it's more than 16 hours |
| 20:30.09 | Fisker | not the main story |
| 20:30.19 | NeoTron | but say Mass Effect (1 or 2) compared to Fallout 3 is clearly no contest |
| 20:30.27 | NeoTron | even combined, they would have a lot less gameplay than Fallout 3 |
| 20:30.37 | Dagmar | Both look better than Fallout 3 on most days tho |
| 20:30.41 | Fisker | and i guess you could do it in a few hours if you just recruit people and not do any missions or upgrades |
| 20:31.00 | Hjalte | Fallout 3 is great, but I could murder someone because of the crash issues on pc. |
| 20:31.05 | NeoTron | but what would the fun be in that? :P |
| 20:31.13 | Fisker | Hjalte multicore ftw |
| 20:31.45 | Hjalte | Fisker: Did they find out more on why it crashes? |
| 20:31.55 | NeoTron | so if you started it - if you replay the game with a finished save, will you get to choose your profession again? |
| 20:32.16 | Dagmar | Yes, as far as I know |
| 20:32.18 | NeoTron | The better ability to skip dialog in ME2 might actually convince me that playing it again might make sense |
| 20:32.26 | NeoTron | as a different class |
| 20:33.00 | NeoTron | I didn't do that in ME because there was a lot of unskippable content and restarting meant from scratch if you didn't want to play it again with the same class |
| 20:33.32 | Dagmar | Damn this weather is unnerving |
| 20:33.48 | Dagmar | A tiny little shift and we're going to lose all our electrical wires again |
| 20:33.54 | Fisker | Hjalte it's multicore related |
| 20:33.57 | Fisker | some tweaks should fix it |
| 20:34.36 | Hjalte | crashes on Fisker |
| 20:34.40 | Hjalte | Tweaks? |
| 20:34.42 | NeoTron | the biggest issue with Fallout 3, especially with the 10 extra level expansion, is that you became too powerful |
| 20:34.50 | NeoTron | there really was nothing that could even touch you |
| 20:35.08 | Dagmar | Except those damn hillbillies |
| 20:35.12 | NeoTron | sniper rifle + camoflague suit |
| 20:35.16 | NeoTron | oh yeah those were pretty lethal |
| 20:35.45 | Lunessa | Kraps: pong |
| 20:35.53 | Dagmar | s/lethal/overpowered/; |
| 20:35.55 | NeoTron | scaling content might be somewhat annoying but non-scaling content makes a lot of it trivial |
| 20:36.28 | NeoTron | I mean they did scale a bit by increasing the level (and as such the type) of opponents |
| 20:36.40 | NeoTron | mutants getting harder, bigger scorpions etc |
| 20:36.47 | Dagmar | Just the same... no skinny hillbillie should be able to take six double-barrel shotgun blasts to the face and still keep coming |
| 20:36.52 | NeoTron | and btw what's with the hardest enemies in the game being giant scorpions? :P |
| 20:37.04 | Fisker | le google Hjalte |
| 20:37.06 | Dagmar | They're armor plated |
| 20:37.16 | Dagmar | ...and those hillbillies would eat them for lunch. |
| 20:37.19 | NeoTron | yep |
| 20:37.30 | NeoTron | probably did too. that's why there weren't any left! |
| 20:38.01 | Dagmar | I think that hillbilly OP-ness was the worst problem with that particular DLC |
| 20:38.07 | Dagmar | It was just crazy |
| 20:38.42 | Kraps | Lunessa: i got clearcasting without call of flame, should i get it anyway or go to the enhance tree? |
| 20:39.27 | NeoTron | I had the sniper energy rifle that had a knockback. it worked well against single ones but with two of them they usually could make it to me before they died |
| 20:39.35 | NeoTron | knockdown even |
| 20:39.56 | Kraps | i want to go enhance till shamanistic focus |
| 20:40.33 | Lunessa | Kraps: Go get Ancestral Knowledge now - you'll need it pretty badly while leveling. |
| 20:42.20 | Kraps | i should go to shamanistic focus? |
| 20:42.37 | Kraps | i want to |
| 20:44.18 | NeoTron | well forget ME2 and WoW - a new version of Bubblewrap for the iPhone is released! |
| 20:44.24 | Lunessa | Kraps - yes. |
| 20:44.38 | Lunessa | And Elemental Weapons. |
| 20:44.48 | durcyn | more importantly, Star Trek Online is out for your hilariously-bad-mmo needs |
| 20:44.51 | Lopeppeppy | mmm, weapons. |
| 20:45.12 | durcyn | i may buy a lifetime sub just so i can troll as a borg |
| 20:45.24 | Dagmar | heh |
| 20:45.28 | Kraps | Lunessa: wheres that? |
| 20:45.40 | nevcairiel | I wonder if borg are actually fun to play, not like federation, which is completly boring :P |
| 20:45.54 | Lunessa | Same tier as Shamanistic Focus in the Enhancement tree |
| 20:46.06 | durcyn | it's a "reclaimed" borg, to my understanding, like 7 of 9 |
| 20:46.06 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: I'm sure that they'll be as much fun as the trolls were in closed beta when they had _no quests_ |
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| 20:46.30 | Lunessa | We will add your uniqueness to our own. You will be assimilated. |
| 20:46.35 | Lunessa | I must regenerate. |
| 20:46.37 | Kraps | k |
| 20:46.46 | Lunessa | Blah, blah, blah. Fucking boring. |
| 20:46.50 | Dagmar | Klingon's show every sign of being thrown in as "the PvP race" because they hadn't had time to write more than a couple of intro/noob quests |
| 20:46.52 | Lopeppeppy | gets all borg'd |
| 20:47.00 | durcyn | yeah. Liberated Borg |
| 20:47.28 | nevcairiel | so i cant play a real evil borg cube and assimilate everyone? |
| 20:47.30 | nevcairiel | boooring |
| 20:47.38 | durcyn | sorry? |
| 20:49.03 | Dagmar | If you want to be evil and bother everyone, make a klingon |
| 20:49.06 | nevcairiel | well i guess if you could, everyone would go evil borg :P |
| 20:49.15 | Dagmar | Then you can go into mission areas and just attack as many PvE players as you like |
| 20:49.22 | Dagmar | Real smart design, that |
| 20:49.32 | nevcairiel | what races are actually playable? |
| 20:49.45 | Dagmar | You kill the Klingon, they respawn about 100 yards away, and come at you again |
| 20:50.07 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Humans, Klingons, and for people who were dumb enough to pre-order lifetime, Borg |
| 20:50.18 | nevcairiel | only those? |
| 20:50.21 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 20:50.39 | Dagmar | Like I said last night, the game hit open beta about eighteen weeks along |
| 20:50.42 | nevcairiel | I would've liked a sneakily-evil romulan as well |
| 20:50.49 | Dagmar | ABout the same mortality expectations, too |
| 20:51.03 | Dagmar | Very, very premature. |
| 20:51.14 | nevcairiel | is EA the publisher by any chance? |
| 20:51.22 | Dagmar | No, Cryptic |
| 20:51.31 | NeoTron | Dagmar: pretty obivous yes |
| 20:52.01 | nevcairiel | anyway yea i played the beta for a while |
| 20:52.05 | Dagmar | Atari is also involved. |
| 20:52.11 | nevcairiel | seemed like a really buggy and laggy single player game :P |
| 20:52.12 | NeoTron | to be clear it's more of factions, not race |
| 20:52.12 | Dagmar | I don't think they've realized the 80's are over. |
| 20:52.27 | NeoTron | your "humans" can be, well anything you make |
| 20:52.37 | Dagmar | Releasing something made with crude colored blocks just isn't going to make people happy anymore |
| 20:52.38 | nevcairiel | klingons are pretty much a race .. borg and federation are factions, yeah :P |
| 20:52.38 | NeoTron | but it's still clearly premature. |
| 20:54.19 | Dagmar | Considering they're launching a game with a HUGE amount of lore work already done for them, I can see no excuse for not having a decent set of deliverables about storyline *done* before even considering release |
| 20:54.44 | nevcairiel | they are working on the universe after the latest movie, arent they? |
| 20:54.52 | Dagmar | ....other than just greed and the prevailing "doesn't matter if it sucks, fanboys will pay us money for it" attitude |
| 20:55.07 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: You'd *think* that but apparently no |
| 20:55.24 | nevcairiel | I just read in some ingame memo that at least romulus is destroyed |
| 20:55.33 | Dagmar | I suspect the devs were made to watch a few of the movies, back to back, in no particular order before they started work |
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| 20:55.36 | nevcairiel | and i couldnt find vulcan when i looked =P |
| 20:55.38 | Dagmar | ...and they weren't required to be sober. |
| 20:56.01 | Dagmar | There was a bunch of stuff that didn't quite add up |
| 20:56.05 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: no they clearly are not, since vulcan exists |
| 20:56.10 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 20:56.25 | Dagmar | They went so far as to make a graphic showing the "timeline" and the "alternate timeline" of the movie |
| 20:56.39 | Dagmar | Just so they could make it clear, they have no idea what the hell they're doing. |
| 20:56.44 | nevcairiel | haha |
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| 20:56.59 | nevcairiel | maybe the next starwars incarnation of a mmo will be better |
| 20:57.23 | Dagmar | I kid you not one of the first quests I saw involved a ferengi who was apparently a "new" race |
| 20:57.43 | Dagmar | I was like, waitaminit... There's a damn ferengi on the starbase at Sol |
| 20:57.58 | Dagmar | Whoever wrote that quest text should have been flogged |
| 20:58.05 | nevcairiel | i did that quest, but i dont remember mentioning of a new race |
| 20:58.08 | Kraft | i hate ferengi too |
| 20:58.28 | Lopeppeppy | Ferengi Rules of Acquisition are awesome. |
| 20:58.34 | Dagmar | The delivery of ten medical supplies, only you couldn't actually turn them in |
| 20:58.43 | NeoTron | wow blizzard finally admits that perhaps there just aren't enough trinkets dropping |
| 20:58.53 | Dagmar | s/dropping/;l |
| 20:59.01 | Dagmar | er s/dropping//; |
| 20:59.22 | Dagmar | ...and I'd kinda like some sigils while they're at it |
| 20:59.57 | NeoTron | well yes |
| 21:00.09 | NeoTron | at least you can get good sigils for badges |
| 21:00.10 | Dagmar | You know, just so the upgrade path for sigils isn't "starter sigil, DK questline finished sigil, endgame sigil for badges" |
| 21:00.22 | NeoTron | where as a caster I have 1 10 man, 1 25 man trinket as options |
| 21:00.27 | NeoTron | or a HIT trinket from badges |
| 21:00.38 | NeoTron | which CAN be useful but requires a very speicific (hit free) set |
| 21:00.53 | nevcairiel | isnt there like one sigil for every tier of badges? |
| 21:01.04 | Dagmar | NeoTron: I think that's for the people who are saying "F**K T9 AND F**K T10 too!" |
| 21:01.37 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: There's I think less than a dozen sigils total, and no reason to just *not* buy the one for endgame with yer badges |
| 21:01.53 | Dagmar | I'm not even sure the second best sigil even becomes BiS for some other spec |
| 21:02.14 | Dagmar | Same price, IIRC |
| 21:02.56 | NeoTron | but trinkets in general and it seems especially caster trinkets are rediculous |
| 21:03.11 | NeoTron | I mean at least melee dps has had the greatness card and actually useful badge trinkets and such |
| 21:03.27 | nevcairiel | well now that they synced all badges |
| 21:03.42 | nevcairiel | but getting a sigil from heroic badges isnt really "end game" in my book :P |
| 21:03.51 | Fisker | so i wonder if that new ircd will have channel wide ctcp modes :o |
| 21:04.56 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: It's the last one you'll need. |
| 21:05.00 | Dagmar | That's about as endgame as it gets. |
| 21:05.17 | Dagmar | You can just up and buy the BiS with like 30 badgers |
| 21:05.22 | nevcairiel | endgame sounds like "hard to get" for me |
| 21:05.34 | Dagmar | Guess what, there isn't another |
| 21:05.39 | NeoTron | welcome to WotLK where end game is trival! |
| 21:05.50 | nevcairiel | i'm a druid, i pretty much share your fate |
| 21:06.01 | Dagmar | I mean it's just the one slot so it's not the end of the world or something, but it *is* a little sad |
| 21:06.09 | nevcairiel | we just call them idols :d |
| 21:06.19 | Dagmar | At least it doesn't require a lot of planning ahead for that slot |
| 21:06.38 | NeoTron | they weren't always upgrades |
| 21:06.49 | NeoTron | the ulduar one wasn't an upgrade for all specs.. etc |
| 21:06.56 | NeoTron | specifically not so much for frost |
| 21:07.31 | Dagmar | Maybe they'll give us one that procs party balloons |
| 21:07.40 | nevcairiel | i think my DK is still wearing that defense proc thing |
| 21:07.45 | nevcairiel | but i didnt play him much lately |
| 21:08.08 | Dagmar | "Equip: Chance to spawn 3-5 party ballons when the Death Knight strikes a killing blow on any target that would yield experience or honor." |
| 21:08.27 | Dagmar | I could actually deal with something like that |
| 21:09.26 | Dagmar | The reaction of the kiddies on the forums would probably be something along the lines of "O SO U BITE UR THUM AT ME?" |
| 21:10.10 | Lopeppeppy | I bite my thumb sir, but I do not bite it at you. |
| 21:13.32 | NeoTron | of course dk's still rule dps in pretty much any fight and trash |
| 21:13.46 | NeoTron | except for places where a ret pally own aoe |
| 21:13.50 | NeoTron | so... who cares? :P |
| 21:14.18 | Dagmar | This is why I think party balloons would be well-recieved by some people |
| 21:14.28 | NeoTron | and I'm getting a buff so my ~8500 dps might be 8800 dps and suddently still suck |
| 21:14.59 | NeoTron | think that's what I'm primarily bitter about as a warlock. my dps, as a pure, is usually around 7-10 |
| 21:15.02 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/359702367/ |
| 21:15.12 | NeoTron | only ones that reliably are below me are elemental shamans and boomkins |
| 21:18.27 | DJJeff | is there an addon that shows you where to fish? |
| 21:18.38 | DJJeff | now that cartographer is kinda dead |
| 21:18.42 | durcyn | in the water. |
| 21:18.46 | DJJeff | lol |
| 21:18.49 | DJJeff | well duh |
| 21:18.56 | DJJeff | but like what nodes |
| 21:18.59 | durcyn | gathermate. |
| 21:19.08 | nevcairiel | gathermate has fish pools, i think |
| 21:19.26 | DJJeff | http://www.wowwiki.com/Fishing_locations |
| 21:19.35 | DJJeff | but like in addon form |
| 21:20.58 | p3lim | how do I easily revert a commit that has been pushed? |
| 21:21.14 | p3lim | manually or can it be done otherwise? |
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| 21:24.43 | Kraps | wow, running down the list of dungeons, most classic ones are long, windy and confusing, in BC they abruptly become 30-45 minute solid one-way pieces |
| 21:25.02 | NeoTron | yes |
| 21:25.20 | NeoTron | the closes to BC we had in vanilla was Dire Maul ones |
| 21:25.24 | NeoTron | and I suppose, SM |
| 21:26.08 | Fisker | NeoTron |
| 21:26.11 | Kraps | the stockades is basically AN :D |
| 21:26.18 | Fisker | will i wake up tomorrow with an invite to the SC2 beta? |
| 21:26.32 | Dagmar | If god hates the rest of us that much, sure |
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| 21:27.27 | Fisker | yay |
| 21:27.34 | Fisker | ~8ball will i wake up tomorrow with an invite to the SC2 beta? |
| 21:27.34 | purl | Yes. |
| 21:27.40 | Fisker | god does hate you :( |
| 21:28.01 | Kraps | allow me |
| 21:28.10 | Kraps | >~8ball will Fisker wake up tomorrow with an invite to the SC2 beta? |
| 21:28.14 | Kraps | ~8ball will Fisker wake up tomorrow with an invite to the SC2 beta? |
| 21:28.15 | purl | Yes. |
| 21:28.24 | Kraps | :o |
| 21:29.04 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/security/ |
| 21:29.06 | Fisker | old |
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| 21:30.21 | RoboUnhappyKitty | :3 |
| 21:33.51 | Fisker | old |
| 21:34.25 | nicoli_s | why do you need a corew hound pet when you can have a penguin! |
| 21:34.32 | nicoli_s | fisker any new sc2 info todays? |
| 21:36.18 | NeoTron | Kraps: even so the stockades had quite a lot of trash :P |
| 21:36.27 | nicoli_s | and man i love doing QA |
| 21:36.29 | Kraps | yeah |
| 21:36.32 | NeoTron | and best of all, the bosses (except like random rare ones) didn't actually drop any loot |
| 21:36.38 | NeoTron | so it was solely to complete uqests |
| 21:36.46 | Kraps | anyway, later |
| 21:36.52 | Dagmar | http://picasaweb.google.com/evildagmar/WinterHellfest2010# |
| 21:36.59 | Dagmar | bleh wrong channel |
| 21:42.16 | Fisker | nicoli_s they're putting up support pages for the beta |
| 21:42.45 | Fisker | haven't the last few betas started on a thursday/friday as well? |
| 21:50.57 | RoboUnhappyKitty | dunno, have they? |
| 21:53.23 | Fisker | bitch you live in a trash can |
| 21:53.38 | RoboUnhappyKitty | oh schanps |
| 21:53.42 | RoboUnhappyKitty | erh |
| 21:53.43 | RoboUnhappyKitty | schnaps |
| 21:54.09 | Fisker | yarr |
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| 21:56.22 | Adys | I've started working on implementing this in webkit: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/line-remainder.html |
| 21:56.26 | Adys | Would like some feedback |
| 22:03.23 | Dagmar | I'm not sure how useful it would be, but someone will probably know of a solid use-case |
| 22:04.32 | Adys | I know of a solid use case |
| 22:04.35 | Adys | I want to fix my fucking tabs |
| 22:05.43 | Adys | either way, it's mostly a presentation thing |
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| 22:36.57 | DJJeff | on ArkInvintory I clicked "restack" and 2 of my items got removed |
| 22:37.00 | DJJeff | what were they |
| 22:37.06 | DJJeff | and why did they get removed |
| 22:37.26 | Dagmar | Leftover missing data of some kind |
| 22:37.44 | Dagmar | Either that or "partial stacks which now take up less space" |
| 22:38.03 | Dagmar | I've no idea how we're supposed to know what these items were. |
| 22:38.31 | NightHawkTheSane | DJJeff: THey were your thunderfury, and you're atiesh, they are no missing in the void. nice job. |
| 22:38.36 | NightHawkTheSane | your* |
| 22:38.38 | NightHawkTheSane | needs coffee. |
| 22:38.55 | DJJeff | ?huh? |
| 22:39.00 | DJJeff | ?wtf? |
| 22:40.13 | DJJeff | I dont see what restack does in the FAQ |
| 22:40.14 | DJJeff | http://code.google.com/p/arkinventory/wiki/FAQ |
| 22:40.21 | DJJeff | (FAIL?) |
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| 22:40.37 | NightHawkTheSane | do you actually need a definition of the word restack? |
| 22:41.21 | DJJeff | yes please |
| 22:41.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i suggest buying a dictionary. |
| 22:41.36 | DJJeff | if my items are getting distroyed without my permission |
| 22:41.42 | DJJeff | I would love to know |
| 22:41.45 | NightHawkTheSane | perhaps also a course in remedial education |
| 22:42.02 | DJJeff | in fact im just gonna uninstall this fail addon |
| 22:42.13 | DJJeff | and go back to my OneBag3 addon |
| 22:42.15 | NightHawkTheSane | probably for the best, wouldn't want the developer to have to put up with fail users. |
| 22:43.52 | DJJeff | omg....... it distroyed 2 stacks of my [runecloth]x20 |
| 22:44.08 | Dagmar | No, it did not. |
| 22:44.08 | nicoli_s | ouch |
| 22:44.09 | DJJeff | there goes about 15g |
| 22:44.18 | DJJeff | worth of runecloth |
| 22:44.28 | NeoTron | ... |
| 22:44.57 | NightHawkTheSane | oh my god! you might have to do ONE DAILY to make it up1? |
| 22:44.57 | NightHawkTheSane | THE HORROR |
| 22:44.57 | NightHawkTheSane | flees in fear |
| 22:44.57 | NightHawkTheSane | (ignoring the fact that Dagmar is right) |
| 22:45.06 | DJJeff | ok anyone that uses ArkInvintory should not use it |
| 22:45.12 | DJJeff | if its gonna pull that |
| 22:45.17 | DJJeff | or not click ReStack |
| 22:45.18 | Dagmar | It didn't destroy anything. |
| 22:45.22 | DJJeff | it did |
| 22:45.41 | Dagmar | You probably had a couple of "stacks" of 2-3 runecloth that just combined to make a full stack somewhere else. |
| 22:45.46 | Dagmar | It *can't* |
| 22:45.52 | Dagmar | All it does is move things from one slot to another. |
| 22:46.07 | Dagmar | There's no way to destroy something by moving it to a nonexistant slot because it won't let you do that. |
| 22:46.11 | DJJeff | I had 102/104 items I clicked restack now I have 100/104 with my runecloth gone |
| 22:46.25 | Gnarfoz | 102/104 slots, not items. |
| 22:46.31 | Dagmar | *facepalm* |
| 22:46.31 | DJJeff | errrrr |
| 22:46.32 | DJJeff | ya |
| 22:46.34 | Dagmar | have your water checked. |
| 22:46.34 | DJJeff | TY |
| 22:46.56 | DJJeff | is there anyway to get this to "LOG" what its restacking then? |
| 22:47.11 | Dagmar | You realize that AI has been around for years, right? |
| 22:47.24 | DJJeff | so It doesn't send noobs like me into shock |
| 22:47.38 | DJJeff | I just installed the addon like 5 min ago |
| 22:47.39 | NightHawkTheSane | "noobs" like you are probably too dumb to exist. |
| 22:47.49 | DJJeff | why TY sir |
| 22:48.08 | Dagmar | I'm sorry if you find the idea of restacking items to take up less space so mysterious and fraught with terror. |
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| 22:48.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: this is why i never clean my apartment, if i straighten up, i'll get confused and think I accidentally destroyed eerything |
| 22:48.55 | durcyn | breathing through the mouth is a time-honored tradition 'round these parts. |
| 22:48.57 | Dagmar | Occasionally it'll drive the garbage collector or something into a frenzy |
| 22:49.38 | DJJeff | I understand the idea of restacking..... if I had 2 stacks of 10 runecloth in 1 stack of 20 |
| 22:49.44 | Dagmar | Mainly if you drag another complex frame over the top of it, or vice-versa. Beyond that, the worst it can do is present you stale informatiom from your corrupted cache. |
| 22:49.54 | DJJeff | but it should end up with my 1 stack of 20 |
| 22:50.01 | DJJeff | not in the trash |
| 22:50.09 | Dagmar | There is no "trash" bin for it to put them in. |
| 22:50.29 | durcyn | literally the functions used cannot destroy items |
| 22:50.29 | DJJeff | by trash I mean destroyed |
| 22:50.30 | Fisker | hey durcyn |
| 22:50.34 | durcyn | hey Fisker |
| 22:50.34 | Fisker | with an u |
| 22:50.35 | Dagmar | The API will just scream out "BITE ME" if you even try to move something to a nonexistant location. |
| 22:50.54 | NightHawkTheSane | perhaps you missed it the first two times it was said, but it CANNOT destroy items. |
| 22:50.57 | durcyn | i got my sc2 beta invitation last night Fisker |
| 22:50.58 | durcyn | did you |
| 22:51.00 | Dagmar | Deleting an item is an entirely different function completely no present in AI. |
| 22:51.28 | Dagmar | I use AI like my own personal bitch. |
| 22:51.39 | Dagmar | If it were prone to anything as serious as that I'd have noticed by now. |
| 22:51.42 | DJJeff | grats........ do you have SC2 Beta installed? |
| 22:51.53 | Fisker | you didn't durcyn |
| 22:51.55 | Dagmar | 35 categories and about 60 rather complex rules |
| 22:52.28 | Fisker | btw |
| 22:52.51 | Dagmar | There's been some cache issues before that it didn't notice which made it look like I still had items that I didn't. |
| 22:52.56 | Dagmar | That's about as serious as it's been, ever. |
| 22:53.10 | durcyn | it's downloading right now fisker, this bittorrent downloader kind of sucks though |
| 22:53.16 | Fisker | https://us.battle.net/account/_images/game-boxes/en-GB/S2.jpg < |
| 22:53.26 | Dagmar | Like, twice in the entire last coupla' years, I've had it not notice when I sold something, or when I lost a quest item by turning in the quest. |
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| 23:27.28 | Shirik | ... who said watching anime is unproductive -_- |
| 23:28.32 | Shirik | I just learned ãã®ä¸, ãã®äº, ãã®ä¸ etc |
| 23:28.46 | Shirik | "Firstly,..." "Secondly, ..." "Thirdly, ..." |
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| 23:31.29 | amro | Shirik: it's full of fail if you use subtitles |
| 23:31.49 | Shirik | ç©wäºmI supposed to understaãï½ï¼ |
| 23:31.53 | Shirik | fail.. |
| 23:32.07 | Shirik | how am I supposed to understand? |
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| 23:40.22 | ReAn | jesus |
| 23:40.30 | ReAn | my irc logs for this channel are up to 110mb |
| 23:40.35 | Grum | just 110? :P |
| 23:40.37 | Grum | compressed? |
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| 23:40.58 | Karlkoolaide | whats the npoint of having them? |
| 23:41.33 | Grum | its quite useful time to time :) |
| 23:41.37 | Grum | i also simply collect them |
| 23:43.34 | ReAn | Karl: i saw a notice that my nickalert went off today |
| 23:43.44 | ReAn | but this channel moves so fast it was off the buffer |
| 23:43.52 | ReAn | so i just search up from the bottom for my name |
| 23:43.59 | ReAn | and saw that cogwheel built me a new dyke |
| 23:44.25 | KarlKFI | which Karl. |
| 23:44.35 | Karlkoolaide | lol |
| 23:44.43 | KarlKFI | fail. |
| 23:44.55 | Karlkoolaide | i didnt even know there was another karl in her |
| 23:44.55 | ReAn | :p |
| 23:44.56 | Karlkoolaide | xD |
| 23:44.59 | cogwheel | chuckles |
| 23:45.07 | ReAn | cogwheel: Excess Flood? |
| 23:45.11 | cogwheel | *nod* |
| 23:45.29 | ReAn | ah, probably kids still sticking thier dicks in the internet near freenode |
| 23:46.06 | ReAn | Grum: 100mb raw, w/ color-code formatting |
| 23:46.09 | ReAn | er, 110 |
| 23:46.15 | ReAn | it's kinda small eh? |
| 23:46.44 | ReAn | my #ubuntu log is like 500-600mb |
| 23:46.50 | Grum | haha |
| 23:46.56 | ReAn | Session Start: Sun Apr 20 05:10:40 2008 |
| 23:46.56 | ReAn | Session Ident: #wowuidev |
| 23:47.02 | ReAn | ^^^ i haven't been here that long tho |
| 23:47.05 | Grum | i think i have around 2-3gb logs lying about |
| 23:47.10 | ReAn | oh |
| 23:47.15 | ReAn | all my logs are 2.8gb |
| 23:47.17 | Grum | not just from here though :D |
| 23:47.24 | ReAn | but ~JUST~ here is 110mb |
| 23:47.38 | Grum | i'm not that long here! --- Log opened Tue Apr 14 08:02:36 2009 |
| 23:47.55 | Grum | just a mere 46mb (no colorcodecrap) |
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