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| 00:03.51 | Lopeppeppy | Has shiibot been eating other people, or does he just like my pigtails tonight? |
| 00:04.10 | zenzelezz | who in the what now? |
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| 00:05.16 | Lopeppeppy | When I try to log in, I get hijacked by shiibot and have to join manually, I was wondering if it was flirting with me, or having fun with other people too. :) |
| 00:05.55 | zenzelezz | peculiar |
| 00:08.55 | Shirik | Shiibot has a module to steal Lopeppeppy to a secret channel only she and I are in |
| 00:09.15 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. *happy dance* |
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| 00:11.58 | alestane | That seems like a weirdness. |
| 00:12.19 | zenzelezz | nonsense, who wouldn't want to eat Lopeppeppy? |
| 00:13.43 | Lopeppeppy | exactly |
| 00:14.19 | Lej | Is there any way to load a creature model by filename with texture? SetModel("creature/rabbit/rabbit.m2") for example sets the model to a white one without texture |
| 00:15.20 | tem | good god |
| 00:15.27 | tem | I ask dell to call me |
| 00:15.33 | tem | and then my phone rings of the hook |
| 00:15.39 | tem | and it's never dell |
| 00:17.00 | Lopeppeppy | Sound like a typical dating relationship. |
| 00:17.41 | zenzelezz | dude, you're dating a Dell! |
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| 00:18.07 | Flowy | hello |
| 00:18.16 | zenzelezz | hi |
| 00:18.18 | Flowy | can anyone help me with toggling general - combat log throught script/macro? |
| 00:20.20 | Flowy | I hate disabling lock chat settings everytime I want to look into combat log (and have small resolution for another window) |
| 00:21.27 | Lej | /script ChatFrame2Tab:Click() |
| 00:21.36 | Lej | switches to the combatlog for me |
| 00:21.39 | Flowy | thanks |
| 00:22.11 | Lej | you might have another number if you've changed some thing or have any addon |
| 00:22.53 | KarlKFI | UI question: Â I have header bars on my site with a title and then a Show or Hide link with an arrow up/down next to it to toggle the content of the section body bellow the header. What's a good way to show to the user that there's content hidden that that button would reveal? the Show/Hide text is abstracted so i can't easily change the text of the link to be like "Show Invoice Contents". A Css solution is preferable. Javascript accepta |
| 00:23.35 | Dagmar | Make it show in boldface or a lighter color |
| 00:23.49 | KarlKFI | make what show |
| 00:24.03 | Dagmar | The text you can't chaneg. |
| 00:24.12 | Dagmar | You can point at it with CSS |
| 00:24.32 | KarlKFI | the "show" or "hide" you mean? |
| 00:24.46 | Dagmar | ...or if you can't change the CSS you can change the ID on that particular bit of text |
| 00:24.52 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 00:25.11 | KarlKFI | i can change them, i just can't change it to be specific per page |
| 00:25.20 | KarlKFI | or per header |
| 00:26.05 | KarlKFI | right now it's a slightly smaller font size than the header and has an underline on mouse over like all the links on the page |
| 00:26.17 | KarlKFI | and of course it has a green arrow icon next to it |
| 00:26.24 | KarlKFI | down for show, up for hide |
| 00:26.48 | KarlKFI | i don't think bold would help |
| 00:27.19 | KarlKFI | i was thinking more of something to do tot he header or some visual indication bellow the header that some content is hidden |
| 00:28.44 | Dagmar | @#$!@ if it's not bugs it's the STO server crashing outright, I swear... |
| 00:32.19 | Thunder_Child | it's a beta Dagmar |
| 00:32.23 | Thunder_Child | thats what it's for |
| 00:32.58 | Dagmar | When the bug reporting tool is offline, and it's releasing in less than a week, it's not a beta, it's an advertisement. |
| 00:33.00 | Dagmar | A *bad* one at that. |
| 00:33.12 | Thunder_Child | more than a week |
| 00:33.26 | Thunder_Child | head start doesnt count |
| 00:34.13 | Dagmar | Either way, they're clearly in the advertisement phase of this |
| 00:34.29 | Dagmar | I don't see them being able to fix even half these missions before the 2nd |
| 00:43.58 | Shirik | Anyone know a good program that can make SVG files? Can gimp do that? |
| 00:44.36 | Lopeppeppy | Let me check,Shirik. |
| 00:44.46 | Shirik | you use gimp? o.o |
| 00:45.54 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, here at home I do. At work I have Photoshop CS3. |
| 00:45.55 | alestane | I use Illustrator. |
| 00:46.05 | Lopeppeppy | SVG is not under the list of file extensions for saveas. |
| 00:46.20 | Thunder_Child | "[16:44:58] Niby the Almighty says: Silence, servant! Vengeance will be mine! Death to Stormwind! Death by chicken!" i am so amused |
| 00:46.30 | Dolby | Shirik: Inkscape |
| 00:46.38 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Dolby. |
| 00:46.40 | Dagmar | If you're looking for the FSF solution, it's Inkscape |
| 00:46.46 | Dolby | I use it for EQ2MAP maps |
| 00:46.50 | Shirik | <3 |
| 00:46.57 | Antiarc | So I just rolled this out :D |
| 00:46.58 | Antiarc | http://mmo-mumble.com/ |
| 00:47.05 | Antiarc | Take a look and tell me what you think! |
| 00:47.40 | Dagmar | Looks nice |
| 00:47.44 | Dagmar | Decent pricing, too |
| 00:47.47 | Dolby | Shirik: this is a tutorial for eq2 maps but has basic inkscape info too http://maps.eq2interface.com/index.php?action=maptutorial&p=5 |
| 00:48.34 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc: i hope it works but i am not sure people are willing to go for yet a 3rd client |
| 00:48.48 | Antiarc | Thunder_Child: That's because they haven't tried it yet :) |
| 00:49.09 | Antiarc | I switched my guild alliance (200+ people) to Mumble about 4 months ago and we love it. |
| 00:49.17 | Antiarc | And they all hate using vent now |
| 00:49.39 | Dagmar | My only problem with Mumble comes from W7 |
| 00:49.42 | Antiarc | Oh? |
| 00:49.47 | Antiarc | I'm on W7, maybe I can help |
| 00:49.54 | Dagmar | Yes it likes to route the input back to the output |
| 00:50.03 | Antiarc | That's a little odd. |
| 00:50.04 | Dagmar | ...as in instant feedback loop. |
| 00:50.07 | Dagmar | Yay Windows 7 |
| 00:50.18 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc: suggestion, make a test server so people can connect and test it out. |
| 00:50.27 | Antiarc | Thunder_Child: Already have one, lemme see |
| 00:50.33 | Antiarc | http://mmo-mumble.com/help/Sound_and_Latency |
| 00:50.36 | Antiarc | There at the bottom |
| 00:50.39 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Actually the mumble client already by default knows about a number of free/open servers for testing |
| 00:50.45 | Antiarc | (probably needs to be more prominent) |
| 00:50.50 | Antiarc | And yeah, that too |
| 00:50.51 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc: yea thats easy to find.... |
| 00:51.06 | Nechckn | Maybe some TS comparison data, too? |
| 00:51.47 | Antiarc | I'll hafta dig up a copy of TS, heh |
| 00:51.52 | Lopeppeppy | And Shirik, why did it surprise you that I have and use GIMP? I can't grasp that. |
| 00:51.59 | Antiarc | TS3 is basically "copy Mumble except leave out some awesome features and put licensing on it" :P |
| 00:52.06 | Shirik | I just didn't think you had a reason to, Lopeppeppy |
| 00:52.14 | Nechckn | Just saying it would be nice to have it included, especially for your target audience. |
| 00:52.23 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc: and you may want to take down the video |
| 00:52.54 | Antiarc | Thunder_Child: Why's that? |
| 00:53.02 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc: TS3 > TS2? |
| 00:53.17 | Antiarc | I'm primarily interested in the vent comparison |
| 00:53.19 | Lopeppeppy | Baby darlin', do I not take photos of my furkin children? *laugh* I've been addicted to photoshop since college, lo way back like... Photoshop 2.x? 3.x? I had the floppies still before my last move, but I threw them out finally. :) I also was addicted to Pagemaker for the longest time. |
| 00:53.23 | Antiarc | (that's a video someone else did) |
| 00:53.30 | Antiarc | I'll do my own at some point when I have time :P |
| 00:55.08 | Nechckn | I do like the look and all, though - simple and to the point. The setup steps are nice, too. |
| 00:59.57 | Nechckn | pagemaker - woo!, Lopeppeppy |
| 01:01.23 | Nechckn | So... if I have already donated to the Haitian rescue/recovery thing, do they need to force me to watch a telethon on every channel, still? Thank goodness for tivo! |
| 01:01.47 | Lopeppeppy | And hulu, Nechckn. |
| 01:02.01 | Lopeppeppy | And yes, Pagemaker. I am ancient, these were awesome tools back in the day. |
| 01:02.53 | Nechckn | We used that for report creation in school - like business status presentations and such. |
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| 01:07.14 | cbreak | LaTeX |
| 01:07.17 | cbreak | still awesome |
| 01:08.48 | Thunder_Child | Spandex, not so awesome |
| 01:09.04 | Lopeppeppy | Nylon, unique. |
| 01:09.09 | olafski | mm latex |
| 01:12.57 | Nechckn | I want a big vat o' latex so I can use like olive oil on a slip n slide |
| 01:13.19 | Nechckn | wonders what sort of pricing would be involved. |
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| 01:13.52 | Nechckn | Better yet... get a bigger vat, dip folks, and let them slide around. Charge some silly amount. |
| 01:14.19 | Nechckn | would likely be closed down as a brothel at that point, but it would be entertaining while it lasted |
| 01:15.03 | Arrowmaster | latex isnt that slippery |
| 01:15.40 | Nechckn | But a latex suit would make sliding through some ultra slippery stuff much more interesting, imnsho |
| 01:16.20 | Arrowmaster | yes it wouldnt dry out, once its made slippery with something it should stay that way for a while |
| 01:16.42 | Nechckn | perhaps one of the other hundreds of lubricants |
| 01:17.07 | Nechckn | No, not planning some crazy dungeon... seriously think it would be fun. |
| 01:17.52 | Nechckn | When done, just peel off the suit and go on your way, instead of needing like turpentine to remove the goo |
| 01:22.48 | olafski | make sure you completely shave before you try |
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| 01:41.48 | Lopeppeppy | Is it a rum and coke night, pray tell? |
| 01:45.00 | Nechckn | olafski Ah.. I guess the common wisdom of using some sort of oil on the skin sort of makes that imperative - since the oil would just lead to the same goo needing to be removed afterward. |
| 01:45.16 | Nechckn | Lopeppeppy Lol, I'll never tell. =) |
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| 01:46.06 | Cloudwolf | Does any one know the chances of fixing a stuck pixel? |
| 01:46.16 | Adys | press against it |
| 01:46.30 | Cloudwolf | its under a glass case |
| 01:46.35 | Cloudwolf | Wacom Cintiq 12wx |
| 01:46.41 | Adys | ah owch |
| 01:46.42 | Lopeppeppy | I was hoping for encouragement! :) |
| 01:46.52 | Cloudwolf | i don't have direct contact atm im trying to use http://www.jscreenfix.com/basic.php |
| 01:48.06 | Nechckn | Lopeppeppy The better question is "Is it ever not a rum and coke night?" =) |
| 01:48.11 | Nechckn | Woofs!! |
| 01:48.28 | Nechckn | Cloudwolf that is a tough one... |
| 01:49.07 | Cloudwolf | Yeah it sucks nechckn especialy when its a freakin 1000 usd toy... |
| 01:49.14 | Stanzilla | if have my taskbar burned into my tft, Cloudwolf |
| 01:49.17 | Stanzilla | THAT sucks |
| 01:49.24 | Cloudwolf | tft? |
| 01:49.27 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 01:49.32 | Lopeppeppy | I don't get to drink often, doesn't mix with the meds. But I know I'm staying up late tonight, so woot for me and rums! And Dr. Bishop terrorizing children by telling them they will be eaten by the monsters under their beds!! |
| 01:49.33 | Stanzilla | lcd monitor |
| 01:49.54 | Cloudwolf | ah heh to much time in windowed apps /idling with no screen saver? :P |
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| 01:50.03 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 01:50.05 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 01:50.35 | Cloudwolf | i can live witha s tuck pixel i just dont want to live with a stuck pixel |
| 01:50.55 | Cloudwolf | And i don't think i have any more time on the warrenty for this thing for returning it |
| 01:51.16 | Cloudwolf | 30 day store return/replace and ithink a 1 year wacom warrenty |
| 01:51.37 | Nechckn | have you tried, while that applet is running, powering off/on the monitor? |
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| 01:52.35 | Cloudwolf | damned stuck pixel is sitllt here D: hurry up and fixxxxx if you would lol! |
| 01:53.13 | Nechckn | Hrm.. sledge hammer? |
| 01:53.18 | Nechckn | Then duct tape. |
| 01:53.29 | Nechckn | Should take care of that one pixel for ya. |
| 01:53.37 | Cloudwolf | lol |
| 01:53.41 | Cloudwolf | and destroy the rest :D |
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| 01:53.50 | Nechckn | Bah.. details. |
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| 01:54.53 | Cloudwolf | and i doubt the tap method works when the lcd is protected by a glass cover :P |
| 01:54.57 | Arrowmaster | Cloudwolf: let that jscreenfix run for a night while you sleep and make sure the power saving stuff is disabled, if its not fixed after that it likely wont be fixable |
| 01:55.24 | Cloudwolf | ill just let it run from now till when i get off should be a coupel hours |
| 01:56.06 | Arrowmaster | its kinda strange to get a new monitor with a stuck pixel though, especially if you paid for a high end one |
| 01:56.19 | Cloudwolf | uh its been a year |
| 01:56.24 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 01:56.34 | Arrowmaster | then yah it 'should' be fixable |
| 01:56.56 | Arrowmaster | 99.9999999% of pixel problems happen during manufacturing |
| 01:57.08 | Cloudwolf | 30 day in store warranty. 1 year manufacturers warranty. This i just noticed about 20 minutes ago. |
| 01:57.21 | Nechckn | Or after impact from a sledgehammer, Arrowmaster |
| 01:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | Is the year up? :) |
| 01:57.24 | Cloudwolf | But it sure as hell wasn't there yesterday |
| 01:57.25 | Arrowmaster | and then they use a laser to destroy the pixel so its a dead pixel instead of a stuck on pixel |
| 01:57.33 | Cloudwolf | i got this i think november of 08 |
| 01:57.52 | Cloudwolf | so yes the year is up :P |
| 01:58.08 | Nechckn | It's good you noticed it, esp if you are quite sure it is brand new. |
| 01:58.22 | Arrowmaster | Stanzilla: guessing you have a high end IPS panel? |
| 01:58.30 | Nechckn | crosses his three toes that running ye app fixes it for you. |
| 01:58.43 | Cloudwolf | haha i hope it does too |
| 01:58.49 | alestane | pours Lopeppeppy another Morgan. |
| 01:59.27 | Arrowmaster | the issue Stanzilla mentioned is also common with IPS panels and easily fixed with jscreenfix, its only a temp burnin |
| 01:59.36 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm, morgan. I have a double right here, alestane. :) |
| 02:00.09 | Nechckn | The real question is - Do pets and IRC count as not drinking alone? |
| 02:00.12 | Arrowmaster | well older IPS panels like S-IPS, i dont know about the newer H-IPS and e-IPS |
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| 02:01.02 | Corrodias | displays drive me insane |
| 02:01.10 | Corrodias | that is all. |
| 02:01.22 | Lopeppeppy | Nechckn, they're gonna have to count, because i'm not waiting until tomorrow! |
| 02:01.40 | Corrodias | i need a tv for my wii. using a newer one will just induce input lag due to the scaling of standard def, so i figured i'd get an old CRT. |
| 02:02.28 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: it's a dell 2404 pfw or so, and I tried jscreenfix for a night and it wasn't fixed |
| 02:02.42 | Cloudwolf | heh my family got a wii for christmas although we don't exactly have any games for it except for wii fit which i can't use yet due to being in leg brace... |
| 02:04.19 | Arrowmaster | Stanzilla: ive got it alone the topleft corner of my dell 2001fp, it used to alternate between the taskbar in windows (i was using bb4win with the taskbar at the top of the screen) and my top fubar panel in wow |
| 02:04.48 | Stanzilla | top center here, I had the taskbar on top |
| 02:04.55 | Stanzilla | and it even burned in some taskbar icons <.< |
| 02:05.06 | Arrowmaster | yeah does that for me |
| 02:05.43 | Stanzilla | http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/dell-ultrasharp-2405fpw/4507-3174_7-31335738.html?tag=psum < that one |
| 02:05.58 | Shirik | You know what sucks about vector graphics? You can zoom in 1000% trying to find out if everything's aligned and it could look right, but you have no way of knowing that someone might take it to 10000% and find a problem |
| 02:06.06 | Shirik | with traditional graphics, there's a point at which you don't care anymore :P |
| 02:06.18 | Arrowmaster | right now in linux my 'applications places system' then a few quicklaunch icons are burned in up there, i guarantee that its temporary but it does take a bit of time to fix or get changed to something else |
| 02:06.29 | alestane | Shirik: That's what snap guides are for. |
| 02:06.35 | Shirik | the whats? |
| 02:06.50 | alestane | I don't know if your app has them, of course. |
| 02:06.53 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 02:07.00 | Lopeppeppy | True, Photoshop could have spoiled us. |
| 02:07.30 | alestane | But most creation apps have the ability to align things to common lines. |
| 02:08.48 | alestane | Anyone with invite privs for Grounding Totem on WoW? I want to make a druid. |
| 02:11.44 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: there is a point in vector grpahics that people dont care either. 10000% is waaaaay past it |
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| 02:12.09 | Shirik | heh |
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| 02:13.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: for fun, go make a vector graphic camera |
| 02:14.08 | Shirik | ha |
| 02:14.17 | Shirik | no ty |
| 02:14.17 | alestane | Once you've zoomed in 10000% can you even still see both the things that aren't lined up at the same time? |
| 02:14.26 | Shirik | yes :P |
| 02:14.32 | Shirik | because they're on top of each other |
| 02:14.35 | Shirik | I could go in infinitely and still see both |
| 02:14.51 | Shirik | I'll show you the image soon, I'm almost done with it |
| 02:15.44 | Thunder_Child | sounds like a fractal image |
| 02:17.16 | Shirik | it's not |
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| 02:32.43 | Shirik | hmm, something broke |
| 02:32.54 | Shirik | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:AspectWeaver.svg <-- does the text look like it's going outside of that middle box? |
| 02:33.24 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 02:37.19 | batrick | hi shirik |
| 02:37.23 | Shirik | hi batrick |
| 02:37.25 | batrick | chess??? |
| 02:37.31 | Shirik | trying to fix this damn image!! |
| 02:37.39 | batrick | wikipedia... |
| 02:37.53 | batrick | i thought we agreed no more projects for you! |
| 02:38.29 | Shirik | better? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:AspectWeaver.svg |
| 02:38.45 | Corrodias | yes |
| 02:39.31 | Shirik | batrick, it's not new... |
| 02:39.37 | Shirik | I've been doing WP stuff for a while |
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| 02:40.16 | lmfydhmvuwhd | Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
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| 02:40.20 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 29 minutes |
| 02:40.29 | batrick | jeeze that freaked me out |
| 02:42.11 | alestane | That's strange spam. |
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| 02:49.52 | KarlKFI | lol. they're using the system warning text as spam |
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| 03:07.48 | Duman | hmm |
| 03:14.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ha! |
| 03:14.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I managed to disassemble my mouse without even bending anything |
| 03:14.43 | ScytheBlade1 | even a little |
| 03:19.58 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/347584520 |
| 03:20.27 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: grats but i did that 3 days ago! |
| 03:20.32 | Adys | I FIXED THE CHARGER OMG IM AWESOME |
| 03:20.34 | Adys | and its awesome too |
| 03:21.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Mine is currently in the dishwasher |
| 03:21.11 | ScytheBlade1 | !g mx510 |
| 03:21.12 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Amazon.com: Logitech MX 510 Performance Optical Gaming Mouse (Red ... <http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Performance-Optical-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B0001YGIB0> |
| 03:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | mmmm, awesome. |
| 03:21.22 | ScytheBlade1 | !g mx510 blue |
| 03:21.23 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Amazon.com: Logitech MX 510 Performance Optical Gaming Mouse ... <http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Performance-Optical-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B00020E4QO> |
| 03:21.33 | ScytheBlade1 | that's better |
| 03:22.32 | Adys | !g mx revo |
| 03:22.33 | batbot | Adys: Amazon.com: Logitech MX Revolution Cordless Laser Mouse (Black ... <http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Revolution-Cordless-Laser-Mouse/dp/B000HCT12O> |
| 03:23.43 | Corrodias | !g logitech wheel mouse |
| 03:23.44 | batbot | Corrodias: Logitech <http://www.logitech.com/> |
| 03:23.48 | Corrodias | :| |
| 03:23.54 | Adys | lol |
| 03:23.58 | Adys | ~batbot++ |
| 03:24.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm probably going to get a 518 and then snap the blue plate on it instead of the silver |
| 03:24.12 | Arrowmaster | i dont know what im going to get when i need to replace mine |
| 03:24.21 | ScytheBlade1 | !g mx518 |
| 03:24.22 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Newegg.com - Logitech MX518 8 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical ... <http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=n82e16826104178> |
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| 03:24.28 | Arrowmaster | my 518 is all worn down |
| 03:24.31 | Adys | i honestly cant live without my mx anymore |
| 03:24.35 | Adys | the wheel is just awesome |
| 03:25.17 | Arrowmaster | does the g7 have two thumb buttons yet? |
| 03:25.45 | Arrowmaster | i know both the g7 and the g9 originally only had one but i know one of them got upgraded to two and i cant remember which |
| 03:26.46 | Dagmar | The G9/9X |
| 03:28.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: another 518? and/or go at it with a screwdriver and fix it up a bit |
| 03:29.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: my 510 is going on 6 years I think |
| 03:29.13 | Arrowmaster | ive been kinda wanting a laser one |
| 03:30.04 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: you sure you're not thinking of the g5 refresh? |
| 03:30.14 | Gnarfoz | that one was a one thumb button -> two thumb buttons move |
| 03:30.26 | Gnarfoz | (and I'm using one right now <3) |
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| 03:30.36 | Arrowmaster | my 518 hasnt been tracking that well when my pad gets a little dirty or the little compartment on the bottom gets a little dusty |
| 03:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, that is why mine is in the dishwasher |
| 03:31.20 | ScytheBlade1 | the shell, anyway |
| 03:31.30 | ScytheBlade1 | the sensor is really easy to clean |
| 03:32.06 | Arrowmaster | im missing 2 of the 5 pads on the bottom too |
| 03:32.28 | Arrowmaster | but im using an original ratpadz so it doesnt matter much |
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| 04:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | haha @ http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1521456&cid=30865954 |
| 04:12.29 | Zyn | walks in |
| 04:12.32 | Zyn | explodes |
| 04:13.05 | Thunder_Child | cleans up the mess |
| 04:14.27 | Thunder_Child | hah, there is going to be a Hancock 2 |
| 04:15.31 | Gnarfoz | sounds like an awesome waste of money |
| 04:17.11 | Cloudwolf | well theres about 2 hours of running this thing to no avail |
| 04:32.54 | ccox | suggestion for Blizzard: add an extra debuff if you leave oculus without finishing it |
| 04:33.07 | ccox | stop morons who run random and bail when they see oculus |
| 04:44.00 | Zyn | or be unable to leave |
| 04:44.02 | Zyn | harrdiharr |
| 04:45.33 | Thunder_Child | what i dont understand is why they didnt do it like PvP and have the timer start whern you leave |
| 04:46.47 | Thunder_Child | and i also find it amazing that my 10K rpm drive has the slowest response time. |
| 04:46.58 | Thunder_Child | *stab stab stab* |
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| 04:54.26 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1, I don't get the insightful |
| 05:00.15 | tem | Thunder_Child, the timer does start when you leave |
| 05:00.36 | tem | ccox, I _hate_ oculus. A chance at an ugly mount and 2 more emblems to add to my 400something isn't going to make me stay. |
| 05:00.56 | tem | I do the random for the frost emblems and the frost emblems only |
| 05:01.35 | Gnarfoz | Oculus is still quick, even if you don't like it |
| 05:02.00 | tem | being a tank, I get to pick the places I like |
| 05:07.49 | Nechckn | See, tem is helping Blizz decide to make Oc have even better goody bags. |
| 05:07.58 | Nechckn | Thank you, tem! |
| 05:08.01 | Nechckn | =P |
| 05:08.31 | Adys | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/1/30/ |
| 05:08.32 | Adys | This comic |
| 05:08.37 | Adys | this specific strip |
| 05:08.42 | Adys | should be linked daily |
| 05:11.55 | Arrowmaster | ok i take back anything i may have ever said while playing CoD4 veteran, CoD1 veteran is much worse |
| 05:13.38 | Thunder_Child | tem: no it doesnt, the time starts when you join....or is there more than one timer? |
| 05:14.08 | elite3vil | There's another one that pops up when you leave. |
| 05:15.03 | Thunder_Child | ah, i have never left |
| 05:20.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin: read the parent |
| 05:21.48 | tem | Thunder_Child, if you leave, you get a dungeon deserter debuff that lasts 15m |
| 05:30.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, that agitated me |
| 05:31.07 | ScytheBlade1 | my mouse has 3 internal, cosmetic, hidden screws |
| 05:31.33 | ScytheBlade1 | took me forever to figure out how I screwed up putting a mouse back together :/ |
| 05:35.52 | Thunder_Child | i doubt they are cosmetic |
| 05:35.59 | Thunder_Child | anything to shave a penny would be done |
| 05:42.01 | ScytheBlade1 | so they added screws that don't screw anything in? |
| 05:43.42 | Thunder_Child | i find that highly unlikely |
| 05:43.54 | ScytheBlade1 | they don't |
| 05:44.27 | Thunder_Child | and you can see both sides? |
| 05:44.37 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 05:47.22 | Shirik | Man |
| 05:47.50 | Shirik | You know you're watching a very old show when you see its opening theme video with a computer in which they're typing BASIC |
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| 05:57.17 | Nechckn | Shirik "Want to play a game?" |
| 05:57.21 | Nechckn | heheheh |
| 05:57.31 | Shirik | How about thermonuclear war? |
| 05:57.45 | Nechckn | That was awesome when I saw it.. then there was actually a wargame 2, so watched both a couple months ago |
| 05:57.53 | Nechckn | Good LORD... how retarded. |
| 05:58.33 | Nechckn | It's like watching Davey and Goliath, GI Joe or Voltron now and wondering what acid they had us on as kids to think it was cool. |
| 05:59.19 | Nechckn | At least Laugh O lympics and that type of thing are still slap-stick funny but those others.... eesh. |
| 06:00.52 | Nechckn | (Beware the bastard child of WOPR, basically... which doesn't spoil it, but should give an idea of the silliness. |
| 06:09.14 | Nechckn | Shirik If you get tired of silly programming - http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Strange-News/Holiday-Inn-Launched-Human-Bed-Warming-Service-Starting-In-London-Kensington/Article/201001315528844?f=rss There is a lovely career prospect! |
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| 06:20.50 | batrick | shit... i got superglue on my fingers and i have no nail polish remover (for obvious reasons) |
| 06:20.53 | batrick | what to do... |
| 06:27.47 | Recluse | Would anyone happen to know what the option/command is to tell VIM to use real tabs and not spaces? |
| 06:30.28 | Bruners | requesting highlight |
| 06:30.30 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.36 | Wobin | expandtab |
| 06:30.38 | Wobin | or noexpandtab? |
| 06:30.50 | Wobin | Bruners ping |
| 06:31.03 | Recluse | hmm |
| 06:31.23 | Wobin | noexpandtab I suspect for you |
| 06:33.18 | Recluse | sweet, that worked. not sure why it started inserting spaces instead recently =/ |
| 06:33.33 | Bruners | Wobin: again please |
| 06:33.41 | Wobin | Bruners ping |
| 06:33.58 | Bruners | ok, THAT featuer is not something i want |
| 06:34.02 | Recluse | lol |
| 06:34.04 | Bruners | autograbbing focus |
| 06:34.15 | Wobin | waits til he plays Bruners in Arena |
| 06:34.27 | Wobin | what client are you using? =) |
| 06:34.28 | Recluse | that could lead to interesting cross communication |
| 06:34.42 | Bruners | Wobin: playing with xmonad's urgencyhook |
| 06:34.49 | Wobin | It'd be all "Hey Bruners, don't get hit in the face!" |
| 06:34.55 | Wobin | *pow* |
| 06:34.57 | Bruners | fuuuuu |
| 06:35.02 | Recluse | lol |
| 06:35.19 | Bruners | it actually changes workspace as well |
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| 06:38.29 | tlund | damnit, it isnt enough to be recognized by nickserv, you have to actually register with your password to join :) |
| 06:42.09 | Adys | anyone good with ie? |
| 06:42.29 | Adys | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php |
| 06:42.35 | Adys | the music player bugs there |
| 06:42.38 | Adys | js issue |
| 06:42.41 | Adys | i dont have ie so cant debug |
| 06:49.07 | Dagmar | Sorry, I don't use browsers that regularly have unpatched vulnerabilities in the wild for as long as that one does. |
| 06:52.41 | Nechckn | batrick Turpentine? |
| 06:54.52 | Nechckn | maybe not even that |
| 06:55.13 | Nechckn | the actual superglue site claims only acetone |
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| 06:57.04 | Nechckn | http://www.supergluecorp.com/removingsuperglue.html a few other ideas, too.. none as effective, though - not that I have ever found, anywhoo. |
| 06:58.28 | Nechckn | Yikes - "In the event that eyelids are stuck together or bonded to the eyeball, wash thoroughly with warm water and apply a gauze patch. The eye will open without further action within 1-4 days" Keep away from eyes, I guess. lol |
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| 06:58.41 | Nechckn | sorry, Shiibot |
| 06:58.51 | Nechckn | oh.. minus, nevermind. |
| 06:59.12 | Thunder_Child | goofoff would take care of the superglue |
| 06:59.22 | Thunder_Child | hell, it takes care of most things |
| 07:00.24 | Dagmar | Including extra eyes. |
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| 07:05.24 | batrick | Nechckn: ya... i'm just gonna wait for it to naturally come off |
| 07:05.42 | batrick | it's hella annoying |
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| 07:36.19 | Shirik | le sigh |
| 07:36.23 | Shirik | I had to download eclipse :( |
| 07:36.43 | Nechckn | No likey? |
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| 07:36.50 | Shirik | I've always hated eclipse |
| 07:36.55 | Nechckn | Oh... |
| 07:37.18 | Nechckn | It's not too bad, depending, I guess. |
| 07:37.51 | Nechckn | Never had to use it for anythinng like *real*, just toying with some things. |
| 07:37.56 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly i'm not a fan of netbeans or eclipse |
| 07:37.57 | Nechckn | I do like it's modularity |
| 07:38.01 | NightHawkTheSane | they're both just okay i guess |
| 07:38.12 | NightHawkTheSane | but, on a mac, at least, they feel very not-mac-like |
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| 07:43.25 | Nechckn | Anyone have the link to that youtube clip of the rotating peons spelling out the Wow crap site? |
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| 07:49.53 | Shirik | !reload |
| 07:49.54 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
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| 07:49.59 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 07:49.59 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 52 minutes |
| 07:50.03 | Shirik | oh I'm good |
| 07:51.20 | Shirik | I added a severe penalty for joining and immediately sending channel-wide CTCPs :) |
| 07:52.11 | Dolby | nice! |
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| 08:12.31 | Shirik | anyone here know AspectJ? |
| 08:12.35 | Shirik | This line produces an error: |
| 08:12.36 | Shirik | pointcut method() : execution(*); |
| 08:13.10 | Shirik | Syntax error on token ")", "(" expectedLog.aj |
| 08:13.53 | Shirik | nm got it, corrected is pointcut method() : execution(* *(..)); |
| 08:14.41 | Shirik | I gotta say, damn, eclipse has some seriously good support for AspectJ as much as I hate it |
| 08:27.33 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC_q9KPczAg&feature=related <-- I always knew the song was a bit insane but um... the video... were they high or something? |
| 08:31.04 | nevcairiel | This video contains content from WMG. It is no longer available in your country. |
| 08:31.30 | nevcairiel | what is it? :P |
| 08:32.01 | Shirik | : |
| 08:32.03 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:32.06 | Shirik | it's a music video |
| 08:32.15 | nevcairiel | i figured as much, but which? |
| 08:32.21 | Shirik | barenaked ladies - one week |
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| 08:50.10 | Grum | nevcairiel: mm wtf i can see it here |
| 08:50.23 | Grum | and that is why people download shit :D |
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| 08:51.35 | Fisker | Trust in me Shirik |
| 08:52.07 | Shirik | I do not |
| 08:52.25 | Fisker | you should |
| 08:52.48 | Grum | Need a name for a rogue and a priest (male rogue, female priest)! |
| 08:53.08 | Grum | and no, not Fiskerrogue and Fiskerpriesta |
| 08:53.16 | Fisker | they're taking anyways |
| 08:53.18 | Fisker | taken* |
| 08:53.23 | Grum | not no my realm |
| 08:53.32 | Fisker | well grumpriest and grumrogue then |
| 08:53.39 | Grum | nowai ;( |
| 08:53.58 | Fisker | if you were danish you'd understand just how cool that name is |
| 08:54.23 | nevcairiel | grumpette! |
| 08:54.41 | Grum | no, grumpriestdk it would be then |
| 08:55.48 | Grum | Stabby and Healy! |
| 08:56.43 | nevcairiel | those names are not taken? :D |
| 08:56.47 | Grum | no idea :D |
| 08:57.25 | Bruners | Fisker: pfft, grympriest or grymrogue would be better |
| 08:57.34 | Grum | Stabalot and Healolot! |
| 08:58.14 | Grum | or just 'Bast' and 'Laeh' |
| 08:58.34 | Grum | i accidently made 'Erac' before O.o |
| 08:58.47 | Grum | only to find out later it was 'care reversed' :p |
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| 09:40.19 | Arrowmaster | i got bored and im playing MW2, just prestiged right before sub base and after wards somebody on the other team was bitching about their team mates not having cold blooded and getting raped by a lvl 1 |
| 09:41.47 | Arrowmaster | i got the highest k/d ratio, longest kill streak, and least deaths :) |
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| 10:49.44 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 10:49.45 | Shirik | Trust in me |
| 10:50.24 | Shirik | I will take that as a "yes master" |
| 10:54.18 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:54.40 | Shirik | Is that a consession of superiority? |
| 10:55.00 | zenzelezz | Fisker has always conceded he is superior to you |
| 10:56.20 | Fisker | i hate you Shirik |
| 10:56.26 | amro | that's new |
| 10:56.28 | Shirik | no you do not |
| 10:56.28 | Fisker | i was like mass effect 2 |
| 10:56.36 | Fisker | then mass effect 2 was like "lol here's a bug, you jerk" |
| 10:56.48 | amro | how did it know you're a jerk? |
| 10:56.52 | amro | it must have some seriously good AI |
| 10:59.31 | amro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B/CLI |
| 10:59.36 | amro | why does microsoft hate the world? |
| 11:15.30 | Shirik | http://sweethomestyle.tumblr.com/post/341047747/disappearingink |
| 11:21.38 | amro | that looks like my bedroom |
| 11:21.57 | amro | minus the glass, the tub, the nice furniture and roomy interior. |
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| 11:56.21 | bleeter_ | jnwhiteh: dualboot maemo and android? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35112&page=7 ;) |
| 11:57.05 | jnwhiteh | fun |
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| 12:09.13 | Aelobin | anyone good with understand rogue weapons including proccs? :P |
| 12:09.21 | Aelobin | *understanding |
| 12:10.37 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: rumour has it the n900 will be out here in a couple of months, it's on the nokia home page. can barely wait! ;) |
| 12:10.54 | ZorbaTHut | aelobin, somewhat |
| 12:11.26 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: still find it hard to believe what GOOG did to Samsung/Motorola in the .cn market (apols to others for this *nix phone convo intrusion) |
| 12:11.30 | Aelobin | i'm wanting to be sub main spec and assas offspec, and so far i understand i need a dagger MH for sub to do backstab/ambush |
| 12:11.50 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 12:11.55 | Aelobin | and for assas i need double daggers for muti |
| 12:11.58 | jnwhiteh | i dont know all the details of it, so I refrain from passing judgement. |
| 12:12.12 | Aelobin | ZorbaTHut: is that right so far |
| 12:13.11 | ZorbaTHut | sounds right to me, yeah |
| 12:14.08 | Aelobin | do i put my procc enchant on MH? :p |
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| 12:26.26 | ZorbaTHut | as I understand, every reasonable pve rogue spec has instant poison on the MH and deadly on the OH |
| 12:26.46 | olafski | hm. I switched that arond.. maybe I better swap :P |
| 12:27.11 | ZorbaTHut | the theory being that all of your instant attacks have a chance of proccing the MH poison :) |
| 12:27.26 | olafski | yer but with the change to deadly poison, does that really matter? |
| 12:27.50 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, good point, it might not |
| 12:28.14 | olafski | given that mobs die before they have 5 stacks (I'm only doing normal dungeons atm, my rogue is lvl 70) it might be better to use instant on the MH anyway though |
| 12:28.31 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: fuck now youve got me leaning towards an n900 now |
| 12:28.40 | ZorbaTHut | if you don't have the improved poisons talent you're actually better off with wound poison |
| 12:28.48 | ZorbaTHut | it has a significantly higher chance to proc |
| 12:29.38 | olafski | hmm. but it does less damage I assume |
| 12:30.02 | olafski | I think I have improved poisons |
| 12:30.17 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: as a hardware platform, it is a bit of a beast. but i'm sure it's got as many annoying quirks as any other, so don't sue me! ;) |
| 12:30.23 | olafski | ah yes.. +20% deadly poison procs |
| 12:30.28 | bleeter | *developer's hardware platform |
| 12:30.34 | olafski | .. and +50% instant :P |
| 12:31.11 | olafski | hm given the wording on that I assume that it's Current_deadly_poison_chance+20% and Current_instant_poison_chance*1.5 |
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| 12:31.30 | ZorbaTHut | it does do less damage, but it procs more often. you end up with a higher DPS |
| 12:31.41 | olafski | mkay |
| 12:31.48 | olafski | and I guess the -healing debuff is nice at times |
| 12:31.55 | Glenjamin | hello there, is this the right channel to ask questions about configuring pitbull? |
| 12:32.02 | Glenjamin | and if not, anyone know where i should head to? |
| 12:32.21 | olafski | you could try here, I'm sure many people use pitbull ;) |
| 12:32.32 | olafski | I assume -healing debuffs don't work on raid bosses btw, right? |
| 12:32.51 | Arrowmaster | they do |
| 12:32.52 | Glenjamin | i'm looking for a way to position/adjust the location of bits of text, but i cant seem to find anything - i'm sure it was doable in the older version |
| 12:33.17 | ZorbaTHut | it's a nice bonus, yeah. and it also procs any effects you might have that occur if the target is poisoned |
| 12:33.30 | Glenjamin | i havent played since TBC, and i'm trying to recreate my UI |
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| 13:02.30 | Adys_ | stupid laptop |
| 13:02.30 | Adys_ | anyone owns a p55-line motherboard with an i3/5/7 cpu? |
| 13:05.20 | nevcairiel | i do |
| 13:05.37 | nevcairiel | p55 with a i7 860 |
| 13:06.37 | Adys_ | nevcairiel, do you use all 8 pins with the powerplug at the top? |
| 13:06.39 | Adys_ | dunno what its called |
| 13:07.50 | nevcairiel | thats the EPS plug, and why wouldnt i? i attached the matching plug :d |
| 13:07.50 | Arrowmaster | the 12volt power lead |
| 13:08.29 | Arrowmaster | Adys_: are you trying to be a cheap ass and use an older 4pin PSU? |
| 13:09.02 | Adys_ | i dunno, ive always used only 4 ping |
| 13:09.04 | Adys_ | pin |
| 13:09.28 | Lukian | Adys_, hehe that issue eh? |
| 13:09.32 | Lukian | yeah 4 pins on my housemates |
| 13:09.37 | nevcairiel | that depends on the power usage of the board, some come with a 4pin, some with the 8pin, although the newer boards all come with 8 these days |
| 13:09.48 | Lukian | nevcairiel, not all PSU's have the EPS connector |
| 13:09.57 | nevcairiel | my previous core2duo p35 board only had a 4pin |
| 13:10.24 | nevcairiel | Lukian: only really crappy or really old ones dont |
| 13:10.36 | Arrowmaster | my psu has a lead with two 4pins on it that you plug in the 8pin together |
| 13:11.06 | Arrowmaster | any psu thats been made in the last 8 years atleast will have the 4 pin |
| 13:11.36 | Lukian | nevcairiel, actually it was brand new |
| 13:11.43 | Lukian | Antec TruePower series doesn't have it |
| 13:11.47 | Lukian | Neo series does |
| 13:11.50 | nevcairiel | then its crap |
| 13:11.56 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 13:12.07 | nevcairiel | couldn't use it with nearly all the i7 boards, thus crap |
| 13:12.09 | Adys_ | i know i have an 8pinner somewhere |
| 13:12.12 | Adys_ | but i cant fucking find it |
| 13:12.34 | Arrowmaster | the 8pin pcie connectors? |
| 13:12.47 | Adys_ | yes |
| 13:13.02 | nevcairiel | i dont have one of those, but i've only had cards that use 6'ers |
| 13:13.03 | Adys_ | its a psu with removable shit |
| 13:13.11 | nevcairiel | and they usually come with an adapter anyway |
| 13:18.14 | Fisker | oh nos |
| 13:18.20 | Fisker | i completed Mass Effect 2 :( |
| 13:18.55 | Arrowmaster | how long has it been leaked? |
| 13:22.06 | Kalroth | since 20th or so |
| 13:31.02 | Fisker | been playing it since yesterday |
| 13:31.22 | Fisker | played around 20ish hours i guess |
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| 13:50.03 | Adys_ | nevcairiel, ping |
| 13:50.11 | nevcairiel | Adys_: pong |
| 13:51.26 | Adys_ | nevcairiel, see pm |
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| 14:11.06 | Adys_ | ok |
| 14:11.17 | Adys_ | I got the 8pin cable connected, it still doesnt boot |
| 14:11.26 | Adys_ | it doesnt post, no beep at all, just the cpu error led on |
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| 14:33.26 | Fisker | Adys_ it's a cpu error |
| 14:33.55 | Adys_ | suck my tits |
| 14:33.57 | Fisker | btw |
| 14:34.01 | Adys_ | also, afk gonna take it to the vendor |
| 14:34.06 | Fisker | you do not use a 8-pin pcie connector |
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| 14:34.13 | Fisker | to plug in the 8-pin atx connector |
| 14:34.17 | Adys_ | its not a pcie |
| 14:34.20 | Adys_ | its atx yeha |
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| 14:34.27 | Adys_ | bq-orange |
| 14:34.44 | Adys_ | with an 8pin pcie it wouldnt have booted :P |
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| 14:34.59 | Fisker | i don't even think they fit |
| 14:34.59 | Adys_ | afk |
| 14:35.02 | Adys_ | they do |
| 14:35.02 | Fisker | bai |
| 14:35.04 | Adys_ | surprisingly |
| 14:35.09 | Adys_ | tried it on an old mobo |
| 14:38.00 | Bruners | Fisker: why so awesome? |
| 14:39.09 | Fisker | i don't know Bruners |
| 14:39.20 | Fisker | my shields just can't reflect awesome of that magnitude |
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| 14:45.35 | zenzelezz | RRFE OS plz |
| 14:47.51 | Fisker | why so batshit insane zenzelezz ? |
| 14:48.07 | zenzelezz | dunno |
| 14:48.24 | zenzelezz | and no-one ever recognises my requests for buffs from Anarchy Online |
| 14:48.48 | Bruners | people still play that? |
| 14:50.04 | zenzelezz | some |
| 14:50.19 | zenzelezz | if it didn't still retain so many traits of being an early MMO, I'd go back to it |
| 14:54.52 | zenzelezz | sometimes in my dreams I can still hear people shouting at me... "NCU GSF HOT" |
| 14:55.01 | Beladona | I am trying so hard not to get back into playing an MMO. But it is hard what with Star Trek coming out, and Old Republic coming soon too |
| 14:55.31 | zenzelezz | Star Trek doesn't call for me... ToR might. The rumored Elder Scroll would be a definite |
| 14:57.58 | Beladona | oh dam. elder scrolls too? |
| 14:58.04 | Beladona | not cool |
| 15:00.56 | zenzelezz | only a rumor |
| 15:01.45 | zenzelezz | I don't find it unlikely though... Elder Scrolls already has a big world and history, and they're well versed in regular RPGs |
| 15:02.05 | Beladona | and there has been a fairly decent gap since the last one |
| 15:02.19 | Beladona | so if not an mmo, they likely have SOMETHING cooking in that universe |
| 15:04.48 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 15:05.19 | zenzelezz | http://www.bluesnews.com/s/106599/on-bethesda_s-mystery-mmog |
| 15:05.22 | nevcairiel | star trek is actually quite boring |
| 15:06.04 | Arrowmaster | TES mmo, do NOT want |
| 15:06.14 | nevcairiel | i hope more from from old republic |
| 15:06.30 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: why not? |
| 15:06.53 | Arrowmaster | because i dont want the entire universe ruined |
| 15:07.00 | |Jelly| | <nevcairiel> star trek is actually quite boring <-- True story |
| 15:09.52 | nevcairiel | imho sci-fi settings are in general just too complex to make a proper mmo out of them |
| 15:10.28 | zenzelezz | I think Anarchy Online did an interesting take on it |
| 15:10.36 | cbreak | too complex? |
| 15:12.46 | Arrowmaster | i enjoyed AO even though i only got a character up to around level 60 or so |
| 15:12.57 | nevcairiel | a middle-ages thing just works better, life was simple back then .. get a big weapon and go bash some skulls in |
| 15:13.08 | nevcairiel | story over :d |
| 15:14.33 | nevcairiel | personally i would like to see a mmo or even simple rpg in the sword of truth universe :D |
| 15:16.40 | zenzelezz | Anarchy Online was hard to get into, and in honesty it lacked a lot, but it was still pretty fun. Felt different to the others |
| 15:16.49 | zenzelezz | and I loved their naming scheme and sense of humour |
| 15:20.17 | cbreak | Deus Ex online? |
| 15:20.26 | cbreak | (Deus Ex 1 online) |
| 15:20.37 | zenzelezz | that would rock |
| 15:22.30 | Fisker | nope |
| 15:22.38 | Fisker | Deus Ex 2 online - wowkiller edition would rock |
| 15:22.53 | zenzelezz | one does not simply speak of DX:IW |
| 15:24.11 | Fisker | i did |
| 15:25.07 | cbreak | you didn't swear enough about it. |
| 15:38.02 | Fisker | and i swear |
| 15:38.59 | Arrowmaster | perfect example of consoles destroying a series |
| 15:39.14 | zenzelezz | yeah :( |
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| 15:40.55 | Arrowmaster | i kinda want to play deus ex again but i know ill just end up going 100% melee again once i get the sword |
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| 15:41.52 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 15:42.15 | zenzelezz | that's me in any RPG game... "let's replay it in a different way!"... then 10 minutes in I'm doing the same old thing |
| 15:44.39 | Arrowmaster | i love RPGs but my OCD to powergame the system adds a lot of extra work |
| 15:44.55 | zenzelezz | true |
| 15:44.59 | Beladona | ME2 Tuesday! |
| 15:45.19 | Arrowmaster | ive got not one but two preorders! |
| 15:45.34 | Beladona | nice |
| 15:46.27 | Arrowmaster | im hoping gamestop just has extra cards and they didnt get their own packaging made up like they did for AC2, that way i can get the preorder bonus from gamestop then return it |
| 15:51.48 | Beladona | oh I see, you ordered from two stores, to get both pre-order bonuses? |
| 15:52.03 | Beladona | let me know how that works out |
| 15:52.55 | Arrowmaster | no i ordered from two stores because gamestop fucking sucks, they go out of their way to get an exclusive preorder bonus then limit the number of collectors editions they accept preorders for |
| 15:54.19 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 15:54.37 | zenzelezz | so they stop at nothing for some extra income |
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| 16:04.08 | Glenjamin | hey guys, anyone know if there's a way to bind a key which is atlas when in a dungeon, and map when not? |
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| 16:11.08 | fathom | ZorbaTHut: you around? |
| 16:11.18 | ZorbaTHut | yup, what's up? |
| 16:11.35 | fathom | is there any way to toggle off class quests and holiday quests with /qh incomplete? |
| 16:12.06 | ZorbaTHut | not at the moment, sorry |
| 16:12.25 | fathom | that's cool. i had no idea if that stuff was somehow marked so you could do that. |
| 16:12.45 | fathom | and while i'm thinking about it. i need to donate to help out a fellow goon. |
| 16:12.49 | ZorbaTHut | some of it is, some of it isn't, but I wasn't gathering the necessary info for a while |
| 16:12.59 | ZorbaTHut | I'm collecting the class-quest stuff now, at least |
| 16:13.48 | ZorbaTHut | also, thanks :) |
| 16:13.55 | fathom | what's this subscribe thing? |
| 16:14.43 | fathom | ah i get it. cool. |
| 16:15.56 | fathom | loremaster without your mod would be even more punishing than it already is on a dk. |
| 16:17.02 | ZorbaTHut | that's got to be brutal on a D |
| 16:17.05 | ZorbaTHut | *DK |
| 16:17.52 | ZorbaTHut | btw, when I went through and did loremaster, I found it easier to just not worry about "/qh incomplete" until I was actually out of quests. I dunno if you're doing it that way or actually trying to 100% each zone, but I found it quite easy to just grab quests when I see 'em and not worry about covering everything perfectly :) |
| 16:18.23 | fathom | i'm just sweeping through areas and then as they start to get spars i turn it on |
| 16:18.37 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's probably the best way to approach it |
| 16:19.13 | fathom | i've already gone back and done a ton of retarded stuff on this guy since i switched him to my main. |
| 16:19.30 | fathom | once i'm done with loremaster i'll probably start grinding outland reps |
| 16:19.47 | fathom | i'll never be sick enough to get exalted hydraxian waterlords, but eh. |
| 16:20.19 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect hydraxian waterlords isn't too bad if you find a few friendly people to help you do MC |
| 16:20.25 | ZorbaTHut | it goes up pretty dang fast once you're doing the raids |
| 16:21.15 | fathom | i can solo a huge chunk of MC, but at the point you don't get rep for trash anymore it gets hard |
| 16:21.43 | nevcairiel | hydraxian really isnt one of the harder ones |
| 16:21.58 | Stanzilla | ravenhold is :( |
| 16:22.59 | fathom | :-/ yeah i'm not sure i'll ever work on "the insane" |
| 16:23.16 | fathom | the grind back for goblin rep is no deal |
| 16:23.51 | ZorbaTHut | I actually think that's pretty easy, you can just chainslaughter pirates |
| 16:24.35 | Stanzilla | not if you want to keep your pirates rep ^^ |
| 16:24.49 | ZorbaTHut | you don't need to keep it, however |
| 16:24.59 | ZorbaTHut | it's been fixed so that The Insane no longer requires all the reps simultaneously |
| 16:25.06 | ZorbaTHut | also, you could always slaughter pirates that weren't Bloodsail |
| 16:25.08 | Stanzilla | but a full green bar looks better than a full red one :( |
| 16:25.10 | Stanzilla | or empty |
| 16:25.33 | ZorbaTHut | true. I'm just saying that for The Insane, the pirate and goblin reps really aren't the hardest parts |
| 16:25.49 | ZorbaTHut | (ravenholdt is, if you're not a rogue :P) |
| 16:26.16 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 16:26.21 | Stanzilla | I have friends with rogues but i'm too lazy to finish it |
| 16:26.29 | Stanzilla | farmed 200 thingies or so |
| 16:27.54 | Fisker | oh no Stanzilla |
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| 17:02.35 | Fisker | i want to take you home haste |
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| 17:05.53 | Fisker | do they even have computers in greece Adys ? |
| 17:06.01 | Fisker | i thought everyone down there was naked and statues |
| 17:06.13 | Adys | thats only on the islands |
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| 17:32.23 | zenzelezz | I find it amusing when someone feels compelled to send hate mail with swastikas and they draw it the wrong way |
| 17:33.47 | cbreak | they are from the mirror world! |
| 17:33.59 | zenzelezz | :) |
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| 17:35.56 | zenzelezz | hm, so the spam they've been telling us about is sent as a CTCP VERSION o_O |
| 17:38.26 | nevcairiel | the spam they've been talking about is this web links that use JS magic to connect to irc again |
| 17:38.37 | nevcairiel | the version spam is just an additional annoyance |
| 17:41.20 | cbreak | java script? Ha... |
| 17:41.54 | nevcairiel | that way you turn yourself into a spam bot :d |
| 17:42.10 | zenzelezz | ran a HTTP GET in telnet to that site... intriguing code |
| 17:42.36 | cbreak | noscript ftw. |
| 17:42.46 | cbreak | being paranoid is nice these days :) |
| 17:46.07 | zenzelezz | wasn't there some drama about noscript or its author? |
| 17:46.10 | zenzelezz | a while ago |
| 17:48.14 | Fisker | the peopple's republic of china |
| 17:55.29 | Fisker | you die now zenzelezz |
| 17:57.14 | zenzelezz | k, thanks for the heads up |
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| 18:07.33 | DWSR | Can you put DK runes on BoA weapons? |
| 18:07.55 | nevcairiel | no |
| 18:08.54 | DWSR | You used to be able to, though, right? |
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| 18:09.18 | nevcairiel | no |
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| 19:07.10 | ScytheBlade1 | really large, very disappointing picture: http://i.imgur.com/Pd81R.jpg |
| 19:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | however, it will cause several people to go "awwwww" |
| 19:08.01 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, it was only a matter of time until we saw the spam :/ |
| 19:09.11 | cbreak | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/01/23/1429207/Widespread-Attacks-Exploit-Newly-Patched-IE-Bug |
| 19:09.13 | cbreak | more interesting |
| 19:09.32 | cbreak | (Did anyone notice that URLs get longer and longer every passing month?) |
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| 19:10.14 | ScytheBlade1 | slashdot has been doing that for years |
| 19:10.51 | cbreak | the numbers should be sufficient |
| 19:10.52 | zenzelezz | cbreak: everyone heard the Internet is running out of addresses, so they're making sure they fill their quota |
| 19:11.03 | cbreak | unrelated. |
| 19:11.07 | zenzelezz | search-engine optimisation I guess |
| 19:11.43 | zenzelezz | cbreak: it was a poorly worded joke. "I've heard there's only 50 years of oil left, so I bought a car that ensures I use my share" |
| 19:11.43 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: the numbers tell you nothing about the contents of the URL, aside from "hey it is slashdot" |
| 19:12.20 | cbreak | to me they look like: |
| 19:12.41 | cbreak | January 10, 23th. |
| 19:12.51 | cbreak | article 1429207 |
| 19:12.58 | ScytheBlade1 | and that article means what? |
| 19:13.07 | zenzelezz | you use an interesting date scheme |
| 19:13.07 | ScytheBlade1 | what does that actually tell you about the contents? |
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| 19:13.13 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 412 minutes |
| 19:13.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 19:13.22 | cbreak | ScytheBlade1: it's an url |
| 19:13.32 | cbreak | the url does tell WHERE the content is |
| 19:13.44 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: that tells you what it is as well |
| 19:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | no rule says it can't |
| 19:13.53 | zenzelezz | cbreak: in principle I would agree, but that's just not how people use the web anymore |
| 19:13.56 | cbreak | only if it's true :) |
| 19:14.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/01/23/1429207/Shirik-sucks-a-whole-lot |
| 19:14.17 | ScytheBlade1 | works just fine |
| 19:14.22 | cbreak | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/01/23/1429207/How-to-bake-pizza works better |
| 19:15.36 | Stew_a | Is there some special trick to using |T in strings so that it doesn't end up offsetting the subsequent text's characters |
| 19:15.46 | Shirik | Well slashdot sucks. GOOD implementations of this redirect to the appropriate name |
| 19:16.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: no, good implementations ignore that string entirely, I have yet to see a site that enforces it |
| 19:16.20 | Cide- | or forget all about the numbers |
| 19:16.21 | Shirik | IPB redirects you to the correct name |
| 19:16.28 | Shirik | If you ignore the string entirely, you open up google bombing |
| 19:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | no you don't |
| 19:16.40 | Shirik | yes you do... |
| 19:16.49 | ScytheBlade1 | google got along just fine before people started doing those fancy URLs |
| 19:16.55 | Shirik | the whole purpose of the contents of that URL is for SEO |
| 19:17.06 | ScytheBlade1 | whole? no |
| 19:17.14 | Shirik | ok, the majority of the reason |
| 19:17.16 | Dagmar | I'm probably going to start looking up ToS agreements and making phone calls |
| 19:17.23 | ScytheBlade1 | maybe half |
| 19:17.41 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: about what? |
| 19:17.56 | Dagmar | I'm not saying the URL. |
| 19:18.00 | Dagmar | Do I look like an idiot? |
| 19:18.08 | haste | 3yes! |
| 19:18.21 | cbreak | my blog just uses blog/article/ArticleTitle |
| 19:18.30 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: I didn't know if you were joining in the conversation or making a separate statement |
| 19:18.42 | Stew_a | Is there some special trick to using |T in strings so that it doesn't end up offsetting the subsequent text's characters - like in this mesage http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/5066/wowscrnshot012310191625.jpg where the characters are a few px to the right so the right edge gets cut off |
| 19:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Stew_a: where exactly? |
| 19:19.56 | Stew_a | look at the word 'now' in the purple text |
| 19:20.06 | ScytheBlade1 | the jpeg compression butchers that part |
| 19:20.20 | Stew_a | thats not jpeg compression thats how it actually looks |
| 19:20.28 | Dagmar | WTF. Is Timecop seriously behind this idiot spamming? |
| 19:20.46 | Dagmar | That can't be right. Generally ther'es some freaking _point_ to the things he does |
| 19:20.53 | cbreak | Timecop? That rather ... unsuccessfull TV Series? |
| 19:21.01 | Dagmar | No, the bofh from efnet |
| 19:22.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Stew_a: that really looks like a driver issue. really really does to me. |
| 19:22.08 | Dagmar | For the first few days the wallops about the spam were all I knew of it |
| 19:22.16 | Dagmar | Now it's actually appearing in two of the channels I'm in |
| 19:22.28 | Stew_a | it only happens with strings that have |T icons in |
| 19:22.40 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: is he a member of EFNet (staff), or does he just hang there? |
| 19:22.58 | Shirik | here we are ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:23.07 | Shirik | these are the options allowed in IPB if the URL is wrong |
| 19:23.07 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: He just hangs there, or used to |
| 19:23.10 | Shirik | 1. Do nothing |
| 19:23.14 | Dagmar | i've not been on EFnet in at least five years |
| 19:23.15 | Shirik | 2. Redirect 301 |
| 19:23.17 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: ah, I see |
| 19:23.22 | Shirik | 3. Add "noindex" "nofollow" |
| 19:23.32 | ScytheBlade1 | re: spam: DO NOT CLICK UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING: http://peoplesprimary. com/ irc.php (remove the spaces) |
| 19:23.34 | Dagmar | Generally there is *some* goal to what GNAA does |
| 19:23.37 | zenzelezz | 3.1 Have Bing ignore it |
| 19:23.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: wtf is IPB? |
| 19:23.45 | Shirik | A popular forum software |
| 19:24.03 | ScytheBlade1 | oh so no one who actually writes the RFCs |
| 19:24.04 | Shirik | Option #3 seems to imply that it's specifically designed to help protect robots |
| 19:24.13 | Shirik | RFC for URL SEO |
| 19:24.14 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:24.22 | ScytheBlade1 | just some group of people not unlike you or I |
| 19:24.32 | Dagmar | In this case it looks like they're hoping to get the message logged into IRC bot logs which are then scraped by Google in order to take shots at tainting Bill o'Reilly and George Bush searches |
| 19:25.02 | Dagmar | Seems a little um, unfocused |
| 19:25.05 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: yeah, that site they advertise has a rather long, "interesting" meta tag |
| 19:25.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:25.21 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.24 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ greatly amusing |
| 19:25.27 | Dagmar | lol |
| 19:25.38 | cbreak | javascript is evil. |
| 19:25.39 | Shirik | procreate()? |
| 19:25.40 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:25.42 | ScytheBlade1 | also amusing |
| 19:25.47 | zenzelezz | it looks like they also have a script for Google Analytics on the site |
| 19:25.47 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ... it tries to get edonkey2k to download a move. |
| 19:25.57 | ScytheBlade1 | *movie |
| 19:26.13 | ScytheBlade1 | and! |
| 19:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.19 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Yes because people search for ed2k: URIs |
| 19:26.22 | ScytheBlade1 | manipulate your AIM friends list, if applicable |
| 19:26.31 | zenzelezz | and make calls, etc. |
| 19:26.32 | Shirik | wtf is GNAA? |
| 19:26.35 | zenzelezz | lots and lots of crap |
| 19:26.36 | Dagmar | Trolls. |
| 19:26.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://www.gnaa.us/ |
| 19:26.51 | durcyn | it's a group of shitty slashdot trolls |
| 19:26.52 | ScytheBlade1 | (safe link in terms of malware) |
| 19:27.01 | ScytheBlade1 | (not so safe if around people) |
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| 19:27.08 | Shirik | I'm still in bed... |
| 19:27.10 | Dagmar | Think of them as the militant arm of hte Internet Idiocy Amplification Task Force |
| 19:27.15 | Shirik | who needs to wake up at a reasonable time |
| 19:27.25 | Dagmar | Generally their game plan is to be assholes and make sure no one can do anything serious on the internet |
| 19:27.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:27.43 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.44 | Stew_a | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.48 | kneeki | Hey all, I'm trying to adjust the size of the WoW target frames buff/debuff icons. However, after I adjust the scale, it resets back to whatever it was origoinally |
| 19:27.54 | Dagmar | They're not exactly steadfast in their dedication to harassment tho, so if you can generally just wait them out you're fine |
| 19:27.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Stew_a: from everything I've ever seen, yes |
| 19:27.57 | kneeki | How do I make this a perminant change? |
| 19:28.33 | Stew_a | ScytheBlade1: ok well thanks |
| 19:29.05 | zenzelezz | Stew_a: are you sure your message format is correct? |
| 19:29.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Stew_a: test on another computer? and seriously, check your drivers. I've seen VERY similar graphical corruption due to bad drivers/hardware |
| 19:29.18 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: note how the 'n' is truncated |
| 19:29.18 | Dagmar | Stew_a: You probably need to cull the number of addons that handle chat messages that you're running--or throw that one away |
| 19:29.44 | Stew_a | how does 'number of addons' affect how a string is rendered... |
| 19:29.55 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: I'm asking out of curiosity. It looks like it's saying "irow" |
| 19:30.02 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: it should read "now" |
| 19:30.03 | zenzelezz | and I don't see where the i should come from |
| 19:30.06 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: that's what I read as well |
| 19:30.10 | Dagmar | Stew_a: Okay then, use a different font and check your video drivers |
| 19:30.16 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: but apparently it is the string "now" |
| 19:30.17 | zenzelezz | and there's a | |
| 19:30.25 | Stew_a | i've got reasonably recent graphics drivers |
| 19:30.26 | zenzelezz | so I'd just like to see what he's using to print it |
| 19:30.33 | ScytheBlade1 | fair enough |
| 19:30.48 | Dagmar | Stew_a: So that means they're recent. It doesn't mean they're not broken, or that the font you're using isn't crap |
| 19:31.16 | Stew_a | the i/| isn't a character, its where one of the actual characters has been pushed too far off the right of its 'area' and is getting filledin solid color |
| 19:32.14 | zenzelezz | still, would you mind showing just the line of code that adds those messages? |
| 19:32.18 | Dagmar | It could easily be that whatever the addon is doing to put emoticons in the text is buggy |
| 19:32.47 | Stew_a | i've seen it happen in the default chat frame too, i just didn't have any examples to hand |
| 19:32.59 | Dagmar | I blame Intel. |
| 19:33.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Stew_a: really thinking it is your drivers or hardware if that is the case |
| 19:33.28 | zenzelezz | Stew_a: is this for custom textures or ones that come with WoW? |
| 19:33.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got images embedded in my gmotd without any such glitches |
| 19:33.38 | Stew_a | mostly custom ones i think |
| 19:33.39 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Same here |
| 19:33.48 | Dagmar | this is why I'm just blaming Intel and calling it a day |
| 19:34.36 | Dagmar | For all I know it could be that the video driver is assuming that the vertical and horizontal DPI are the same and they're really not, or vice-versa |
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| 19:34.51 | Dagmar | There's lots of ways for proportional font rendering to break |
| 19:35.20 | Dagmar | There's an idea tho |
| 19:35.45 | Dagmar | Stew_a: Change your display resolution to a _different aspect ratio_ and display the same text after a reboot |
| 19:35.58 | Dagmar | ...and I do mean change both your desktop *and* game resolution |
| 19:36.17 | Dagmar | if the text changes, the problem is in your video driver and/or windows |
| 19:36.27 | Dagmar | s/text/text corruption/; |
| 19:39.31 | Stew_a | for some reason the default chat frame seems to be behaving itself today, but the same string in that frame gets completely screwed up |
| 19:40.06 | zenzelezz | are you doing any kind of scaling on that frame? |
| 19:40.21 | Dagmar | The default chat frame may or may not be using the same mechanism to put the text up there |
| 19:40.40 | Dagmar | Translation: The default chat frames are probably doing it *right* |
| 19:41.21 | Stew_a | well i called ChatFrame1:AddMessage("Test message") and the ThatFrame:AddMEssage("thesamemessage"), so i don't know how it could be handling it differently |
| 19:41.27 | Stew_a | they're both scrolling chat frames |
| 19:42.03 | Dagmar | So _are_ you doing any scaling on the window? |
| 19:42.08 | Stew_a | no |
| 19:42.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Test it on another computer |
| 19:42.29 | zenzelezz | do you use a standard font? |
| 19:42.29 | ScytheBlade1 | or user |
| 19:42.37 | Dagmar | Yep. Or try what I said about changing the aspect ratio and resolution |
| 19:42.41 | Stew_a | i believe it is the default font |
| 19:42.54 | Dagmar | No that's not the default font |
| 19:42.59 | Fisker | this is my rageface |
| 19:43.11 | zenzelezz | now show us your manaface |
| 19:43.12 | Dagmar | If it were I'd have quit playing ages ago because that looks like ugly-ass Arial |
| 19:43.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there even such a thing as a "default font"? |
| 19:43.34 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: yeah last time I checked it was called Fritz Quadrata or something |
| 19:44.00 | Dagmar | I've got Fontain stomping that out with ABF so it might have changed, but it's definitely not godawful looking Arial |
| 19:45.22 | Dagmar | Arial is evil because the bitmaps embedded in it and the vector glyphs embedded in it *do not always match in size* |
| 19:45.36 | zenzelezz | really? |
| 19:45.39 | Dagmar | yes. |
| 19:45.49 | zenzelezz | interesting, hadn't heard that before |
| 19:45.56 | Dagmar | changing the rendering method should not change the width/height of any glyph |
| 19:46.19 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: I've spent wayyyy too much time with that effed up font editor under Linux lately |
| 19:47.39 | Fisker | slaps Dagmar around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:48.35 | Dagmar | I have serious doubts about the whassit called... provenance of the prominent TTF file being handed out to people on the internet under the name of LCARS |
| 19:48.42 | Dagmar | I am working on an LCARS MythTV theme. |
| 19:48.56 | zenzelezz | LCARS? |
| 19:49.00 | Dagmar | I need, more or less, that font, but I'm not willing to risk stomping on someone's copyright. |
| 19:49.10 | Dagmar | So I have to recreate each and every !@#@! glyph |
| 19:49.52 | Dagmar | I quite some time ago gave up giving a crap about whatever it's going to look like rendered with any mechanism other than what MythTV uses |
| 19:50.36 | Dagmar | ...and as an added bonus, if I were to embed bitmaps for specific DPI/sizes in the thing, I could be stepping on someone's patent |
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| 19:50.54 | Dagmar | ...and if I'm not mistaken, if I even hint the glyphs a certain way, there's another patent I could accidentally stomp on |
| 19:51.31 | zenzelezz | if I recall correctly, Freetype can do a great deal with fonts, but not everything, since Apple has patents on some (TTF?) stuff |
| 19:51.55 | zenzelezz | don't recall if it was hinting or aliasing or something else |
| 19:51.58 | Dagmar | So yeah, TTF being all "smoothy line-drawy" or not, you can still embed bitmaps in them to sort of pre-render characters, but the rendering engine has to be interested in looking at them |
| 19:52.39 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Yeah I can't remember exactly what would violate that, but I do know you can do it with Fontographer without realizing it |
| 19:52.40 | zenzelezz | is it common practise to embed them or use the embedded bitmaps? |
| 19:52.57 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Windows does it on both counts |
| 19:53.44 | Dagmar | Change the rendering mechanism it uses and you can see which ones are actually rendering the linedraw at a certain size and which ones are using hinting and which ones are flat out using hte embedded bitmpas |
| 19:53.56 | zenzelezz | interesting |
| 19:54.16 | Dagmar | At very small font sizes where it starts to push the envelope of effectively being a 5x8 pixel font the ones that are using embedded bitmaps will generally still be readable |
| 19:54.24 | kneeki | How do I go about changing the default buff/debuff size on the target frame? Adjusting them will result in them changing back to their default size after a few seconds |
| 19:54.31 | Dagmar | ...but either way Arial has both forms in it |
| 19:55.20 | zenzelezz | kneeki: did you try looking at the default target frame code to see if it explicitly sets the size? Maybe there'd be some cue in there for you to override it when it does |
| 19:55.46 | kneeki | zenzelezz: I have not yet, no. I'll check that out now |
| 19:56.56 | amro | can someone with eu client paste their Data/[locale]/realmlist.wtf? |
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| 19:57.30 | Dagmar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Realmlist.wtf |
| 19:57.31 | Dagmar | ? |
| 19:58.22 | zenzelezz | mine (for enGB) matches the EU one on that page |
| 19:58.23 | Shirik | I'll show you my realm list |
| 19:58.34 | Thunder_Child | ~;art Shirik |
| 19:58.39 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 19:58.40 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 19:58.41 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 19:58.54 | kd3|hate`net | funny thing; we just had to protect that article because people were spamvertising pservers on it |
| 19:59.13 | amro | any clue why I'm not getting a realmlist with enUS connected to eu? |
| 19:59.16 | amro | it used to work |
| 20:00.37 | Fisker | hah jnwhiteh |
| 20:00.38 | Fisker | take that |
| 20:00.47 | Stew_a | how do you mean amro? |
| 20:00.59 | amro | I mean I loin and the realm list is empty |
| 20:01.12 | amro | and I see "Choose your preferred location", with only "Development" as an optino |
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| 20:01.19 | Dagmar | They need to start charging a buck or something for the software authenticator |
| 20:01.55 | Dagmar | Something to make it harder for the jackass account theieves to get bunches of them to put on stolen accounts |
| 20:02.14 | Stew_a | amro - eu battlenet accounts always used to get a blank realm list connecting to US, and vice versa |
| 20:02.28 | amro | ... |
| 20:02.29 | Stew_a | although i thought these days tehy'd changed it to a message saying "this battlenet account doesnt ahve a valid wow account" |
| 20:02.41 | amro | it says that if I connect to US |
| 20:02.43 | Dagmar | amro: Oh yeah you absolutely need an _account_ in the right region, or you're screwed from the get-go there. |
| 20:02.44 | amro | but I'm connecting to EU |
| 20:02.50 | amro | clearly I have an account |
| 20:02.51 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: but having them free makes it more likely for people to have one, wich would prevent such stolen accounts |
| 20:02.52 | amro | it's just the client |
| 20:03.05 | Thunder_Child | which* |
| 20:03.19 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: I'm just getting tired of hearing about hacks now where the first thing the thief does is put an authenticator on the account |
| 20:03.29 | cbreak | amro: you only need one. |
| 20:03.34 | cbreak | you can put it on as many accounts as you want |
| 20:03.50 | amro | cbreak: what are you talking about? |
| 20:03.55 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: I suspect that regardless Blizzard might be paying a fee for each software authenticator activated |
| 20:04.03 | amro | I'm trying to connect to an EU account on EU realms using an enUS client |
| 20:04.04 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: i'm tired of hearing how people are stupid enough to get hacked |
| 20:04.04 | cbreak | authenticator. |
| 20:04.06 | Dagmar | if they're not then great |
| 20:04.15 | amro | I'm not talking about authenticator |
| 20:04.24 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Yeah, this latest tool tried a private server |
| 20:04.35 | cbreak | hmm. Did I read the wrong name? |
| 20:04.39 | Dagmar | By "tool" I mean fifteen-year-old guild member |
| 20:04.51 | Dagmar | We told him if he ever did that again, we'd send abos to his house to eat his pets |
| 20:05.10 | amro | personally I would feed him to his pets |
| 20:05.29 | Dagmar | Said private server did something cutesy to make him think he was logging into the real servers, so he entered his actual Blizznet account info |
| 20:05.35 | Dagmar | *pewf* ten minutes later locked out |
| 20:05.48 | Dagmar | Authenticator on the account, toon being stripped. |
| 20:05.57 | Dagmar | A shame he was only allowed to pull two things out of the guildbank |
| 20:06.30 | amro | I'm confused- why would someone with an active account go on a private server? |
| 20:06.44 | ScytheBlade1 | amro: "fun" servers |
| 20:06.47 | cbreak | if he gives his account info to some idiots, he can't complain if he's naked in dalaran |
| 20:06.51 | Dagmar | amro: What's kinda sad is that I've met aboriginals, but some actual aussies apparently think that they're savages |
| 20:07.05 | Dagmar | They're people who live outdoors, mainly. |
| 20:07.11 | Dagmar | That's about all to be said of it |
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| 20:21.59 | kneeki | Looks like at line 478 and 479 in TargetFrame.lua the size of the buff is being set. the size variable that's being used is done with a local variable. How do I overwrite something that's local to a paticular function? |
| 20:28.04 | amro | could it be that they disabled it with bnet accounts? |
| 20:34.16 | cbreak | kneeki: you have no access to locals of other functions |
| 20:34.23 | cbreak | unless they are upvalues of your own function |
| 20:34.30 | kneeki | That's what I thought |
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| 21:27.08 | amro | If you have a US client [ESRB], you will need to uninstall the game and install a European version of World of Warcraft. |
| 21:27.12 | amro | I'm going to fucking murder them |
| 21:27.39 | amro | then I'll raise them as undead, then murder them again |
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| 21:30.18 | Dagmar | Amro: Ouch |
| 21:30.28 | amro | this is unbelievably stupid |
| 21:30.35 | Dagmar | I thought it only mattered if you wanted a language other than English |
| 21:30.45 | amro | I was hoping bnet would pave the way for global accounts |
| 21:30.49 | amro | but no, it actually makes things worse |
| 21:30.52 | amro | unbelievable |
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| 21:31.22 | Dagmar | I'd rather my main tanks not be halfway around the planet |
| 21:31.44 | Cide- | some people have 80ms to the us servers despite living in europe |
| 21:31.56 | amro | Dagmar: your main tanks would rather not be up at 4am tanking either |
| 21:31.57 | Dagmar | Very few of them I'd imagine |
| 21:32.05 | Fisker | oh u Cide- |
| 21:32.07 | amro | lag wouldn't be an issue |
| 21:32.09 | Dagmar | amro: They don't have to be. I am. |
| 21:32.16 | Dagmar | Half of our people are in Australia |
| 21:32.24 | amro | it's not like you can't oh, I don't know, filter them at recruitment |
| 21:32.37 | Dagmar | *I'm* the LPB, which works out fine |
| 21:32.48 | amro | LPB? |
| 21:32.56 | Dagmar | Low-Ping Bastard |
| 21:33.15 | amro | wow is playable at 400ms, which is lol |
| 21:33.26 | Dagmar | If everyone's looking at 400ms latency, things generally work out |
| 21:33.47 | Dagmar | WHen someone imporant is significantly behind, the situation rapidly degrades |
| 21:34.10 | Dagmar | Even at 400ms they've still got over a half-second to react |
| 21:35.18 | amro | why is enGB bigger than enUS anyway? |
| 21:35.26 | zenzelezz | it's all the Us |
| 21:35.30 | amro | not even all the extra U's in the world could inflate it that much |
| 21:36.14 | Dagmar | Hey, don't blame us, blame the people arguing that vowels need equal opportunity in letters |
| 21:36.21 | Dagmar | s/letters/words/; |
| 21:37.39 | Cide- | leatters |
| 21:37.46 | amro | they do. they get their fair share in a capella |
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| 21:57.59 | cbreak | finally |
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| 22:27.49 | Fisker | none were spared in the Fiskers wrath |
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| 23:25.31 | batrick | boredom overwhelming |
| 23:26.43 | Shirik | Why is everything O(nlogn) |
| 23:26.53 | cbreak | quicksort :) |
| 23:26.55 | batrick | because you are comparing everything |
| 23:27.07 | cbreak | the basis of the universe! |
| 23:27.11 | batrick | that's a pretty nerdy joke even for me |
| 23:27.44 | *** join/#wowuidev NiLon_ (i=nilon@unaffiliated/nilon) |
| 23:28.09 | Fisker | i did it Shirik |
| 23:28.12 | Fisker | i deserve a medal |
| 23:28.15 | Shirik | no you did not |
| 23:28.32 | Fisker | why not? |
| 23:28.41 | *** join/#wowuidev fsdpbdvfpa (n=anmux@abhh242.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:28.44 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 23:28.44 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 13 minutes |
| 23:28.49 | zenzelezz | Shirik: long big Os can be popular |
| 23:28.58 | ScytheBlade1 | they're getting slower on the k-lines |
| 23:29.19 | Fisker | goodnight mr. zenzelezz |
| 23:29.21 | Fisker | and mrs. Shirik |
| 23:29.26 | zenzelezz | sweet dreams Sir Fisker |
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| 23:41.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Dolby (n=Dolby@MMOI/Administrator/pdpc.silver.dolby) |
| 23:41.45 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Dolby] by ChanServ |
| 23:56.11 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: theres no reason for anybody to CTCP the channel, imho just squelch anybody who does a channel ctcp instantly |
| 23:56.28 | Shirik | They would just keep coming |
| 23:56.29 | Cide- | can't you disable channel ctcp's? |
| 23:56.33 | Shirik | No |
| 23:56.38 | Cide- | shitty ircd |
| 23:56.39 | Shirik | freenode's servers don't support +C |
| 23:56.53 | Shirik | I think seven does |
| 23:57.54 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: if it keeps happening lock the channel but an instant temporary squelch that gets unset on a timer wouldnt hurt |
| 23:58.42 | Dagmar | I don't think you're going to have much luck trying to race that |
| 23:59.07 | Dagmar | Might as well just auto-kb on a channel-directed CTCP |
| 23:59.15 | Dagmar | ...acutally auto-kick will probably do it |
