| 00:00.04 | Adys | The two snippets hold exactly the same information. However, we use attributes to avoid typing the same thing more than once. Imagine if attributes weren't part of XML specification. Writing anything in XML would drive us nuts! |
| 00:00.04 | Kraps | what is up with this healer? really late on heals or none to speak of |
| 00:00.11 | Adys | Rofl ^ |
| 00:00.21 | Thunder_Child | ArrowmasterClass: its ~= fios |
| 00:00.30 | ArrowmasterClass | i know |
| 00:00.30 | Jerub | Kraps: could be stoned, asleep, drunk, lagged. |
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| 00:00.59 | Jerub | ask him |
| 00:01.00 | Jerub | ;) |
| 00:01.23 | NeoTron | 25/15 FIOS. I like how the upload is so high |
| 00:01.59 | bleeter | Kraps: legally blind healer? |
| 00:02.09 | bleeter | "#WoW "win" is convincing the people in your random PuG you're legally blind, and heal by game sounds." |
| 00:02.13 | ArrowmasterClass | they have a 25/15 fios? i thought it was 20/20 and 50/20 |
| 00:02.33 | Dagmar | It's fiber. They could provision it pretty much any way they wanted to |
| 00:02.53 | bleeter | oh, well look at that. it's coffee time. |
| 00:02.58 | Jerub | i worked with a guy who was a decent player of mortal combat |
| 00:03.06 | Jerub | but would win every time with the monitor off. |
| 00:03.18 | Jerub | (and had no eyeballs, removed at birth) |
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| 00:04.15 | NeoTron | ArrowmasterClass: to be fair, I'm not entirely sure what I have but I think I had 20/5 and upgraded to 25/15 |
| 00:04.37 | NeoTron | but they change what they offer and yeah they can pretty much give people anything so depends on what their current packages are |
| 00:04.47 | NeoTron | also varies by region |
| 00:05.13 | NeoTron | seems like they have 15/5, 25/15 and 50/20 atm |
| 00:05.14 | ArrowmasterClass | wikipedia says u-verse only has 2mbps upload so yeah, no fucking way am i settling for that, wtb fios |
| 00:11.38 | Kraps | [2] [Razxp]: LFM battered hilt farming, battered hilt reserved. conversion to raid group upon entering, have all quests done before you join. |
| 00:12.18 | Ginji | I guess he carries everyone else then |
| 00:12.23 | Dagmar | Gosh that's not a professional farmer |
| 00:12.23 | zenzelezz | clearly a win/win situation |
| 00:12.52 | Dagmar | "LFM to help me get a battered hilt so that I can keep my goldfarming job. Send tells" |
| 00:13.38 | Dagmar | I wonder how long it would tkae someone like that to realize people are misdirecting to the healers. |
| 00:15.21 | Jerub | Dagmar: the nakedness would be a tell. |
| 00:15.54 | Jerub | i didn't know you could convert to a raid group while in an instance. |
| 00:16.06 | Dagmar | Jerub: If you can misdirect, you can feign death. |
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| 00:16.17 | Jerub | I had some guy get /really/ offended when i did HoR (on norm!) when i was doing the battered hilt quest chain. |
| 00:16.30 | Jerub | and ragequit |
| 00:16.38 | Jerub | "I hate helping fuckers do that quests" or something. |
| 00:16.39 | ccox | what I want to kill are the rogues who use TotT on random people during the fight and blame them for dying so easy |
| 00:16.39 | Dagmar | Believe me I have to worry more about managing perception when I feign in a raid than I do whether or not I'll pull it off |
| 00:17.02 | Dagmar | People get bitchy when you FD and stay down when just four people have bought it |
| 00:17.26 | Ginji | ccox: I blame you for being the target of my target! |
| 00:17.29 | Dagmar | But seriously, when you've just lost two tank-types and a healer, you're pretty much done. |
| 00:17.41 | Jerub | it depends. |
| 00:17.50 | Jerub | but yeah, i know what you mean. |
| 00:17.57 | Jerub | what i love is when dps raidleaders call for bres. |
| 00:18.03 | Jerub | and i lol and continue healing. |
| 00:18.11 | Dagmar | My gf is awful about it. She'll bitch at me "why do *you* get to FD and I have to die?" |
| 00:18.15 | Dagmar | She's the bloody tank |
| 00:18.26 | Ginji | lol |
| 00:18.34 | ccox | if you didn't die, I wouldn't have to FD! |
| 00:18.37 | Ginji | Tell her to roll paladin |
| 00:18.41 | Ginji | Then she gets bubblehearth |
| 00:19.19 | Dagmar | Well, avoiding the bitching out has gotten me lots of practice in chaining all those "this will buy me x more seconds" talents |
| 00:19.35 | Jerub | what i hate is being bubbled by a pally when the raid is on the cusp of wiping. |
| 00:19.48 | Jerub | I'm healing frantically and then suddeenly all my heals aren't landing but i have mana |
| 00:19.51 | Kraps | how is this drake hovering just above the bank steps in dal? |
| 00:19.54 | Dagmar | Someone in a pug cast DI on me last week |
| 00:20.08 | Jerub | Dagmar: DI, that's the one isn't it. the bubble-other. |
| 00:20.15 | Dagmar | I didn't even know what it was until after everyone was dead |
| 00:20.33 | Jerub | Dagmar: that happened to me the first time. I thought i'd lagged out or something. |
| 00:21.01 | Jerub | Kraps: did you see my video of ab mammoth in mid air in dal? |
| 00:21.05 | Ginji | I love seeing people get DIed just to die afterwards cause they're too close to the boss |
| 00:21.23 | Jerub | http://vimeo.com/8271857 |
| 00:23.11 | Dagmar | Ginji: That takes some serious "specialness" since it lasts for several minutes apparently |
| 00:23.31 | Dagmar | I was walking around going "Why are these mobs ignoring me?" |
| 00:23.36 | Kraps | lol Jerub |
| 00:25.25 | Kraps | wonders if he should start selling spots in randoms |
| 00:25.38 | Jerub | Kraps: I've seen people buying spots in randoms. |
| 00:25.47 | Jerub | it must suck to not be a tank. |
| 00:25.52 | Kraps | i've see tanks selling |
| 00:25.56 | Jerub | I can't believe how big the tank deficit is. |
| 00:26.13 | Jerub | running randoms is practically a public service for tanks atm. |
| 00:27.02 | Dagmar | I just know I'm starting work on my DK tomorrow night |
| 00:27.05 | Adys | Shirik |
| 00:27.07 | Pneumatus | healers and tanks feel equally under-represented, and melee dps far more than casters |
| 00:27.13 | Adys | Kalroth made me get back into lisp :( |
| 00:27.21 | Dagmar | 430 is enough defense. ;) |
| 00:27.22 | Jerub | Pneumatus: on my battlegroup there are more healers than tanks. |
| 00:27.26 | Pneumatus | *far more melee dps |
| 00:27.28 | Jerub | it takes me 30-40 seconds to et a group as a healer. |
| 00:27.42 | Jerub | it takes 1-2 seconds to get a group as a tank. |
| 00:27.58 | Pneumatus | i tend to get a group as a healer in ~30 sec also, no idea about tank though |
| 00:28.03 | Dagmar | It's like 4-8 minutes when me and my gf both queue as DPS |
| 00:28.05 | Pneumatus | as melee dps it takes 15min+ |
| 00:28.12 | Dagmar | Not a terribly long time, but definitely a difference |
| 00:28.13 | Kraps | Pneumatus: what Jerub said |
| 00:28.24 | Kraps | less than 5 seconds |
| 00:28.27 | Jerub | Dagmar: honestly, with the current gear levels of the dps and heals due to triumph emblems falling from the sky like mana from heaven, a fresh dk in ilvl178 gear could tank heorics. |
| 00:28.28 | zenzelezz | the most I've waited as a tank was ~90 seconds, but that was because DPS kept declining |
| 00:28.33 | Pneumatus | every group i've LFDd has had 2 melee and 1 caster |
| 00:28.42 | Dagmar | Jerub: Well, I'll actually say no. |
| 00:28.43 | Pneumatus | never seen 2 casters |
| 00:29.02 | Dagmar | Jerub: I've tried, and 430 makes HToC like sort of survivable if you have a _badassed_ healer |
| 00:29.10 | Jerub | oh, htoc is different. |
| 00:29.18 | Dagmar | The critting issue is pretty ruthless |
| 00:29.22 | Jerub | htoc requires ilvl200 epics at least. |
| 00:29.31 | Pneumatus | hhor is worse :) |
| 00:29.31 | Jerub | on everyone at a minimum. |
| 00:29.47 | Pneumatus | ive healed some pretty poor geared tanks through hhor and struggled to keep them up :< |
| 00:29.50 | Dagmar | HHoR will chew you up and spit you out if you're only sportin 200's |
| 00:30.01 | Jerub | hhorc chewed me up and spit me out in 232+ gear |
| 00:30.10 | Dagmar | Someone in that group better be rocking some kinda set bouns |
| 00:30.38 | Dagmar | Yeah NOW we can do it with our guildies on a regular basis, but at first it was just cruel and unusual |
| 00:30.46 | Kraps | speaking of hhor... |
| 00:31.01 | Dagmar | ...so it makes sense the gear checker is refusing to let pretty much anyone queue it at all heh |
| 00:31.28 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.36 | Jerub | i only do hhor with the other two top geared guys from my guild. |
| 00:31.52 | Kraps | and i feel like ajerk |
| 00:31.54 | Jerub | and if i die in the first 5 waves, i leave. |
| 00:31.57 | Dagmar | I'm glad they changed the trash spawns a bit for Failrik/Marvin |
| 00:32.02 | Dagmar | THe two mages thing was nasty |
| 00:32.18 | Jerub | meh, i could deal with two mages. |
| 00:32.28 | Dagmar | Jerub: You can if you CC one or both of htem for awhile |
| 00:32.29 | Jerub | it was multiple priests that annoyed me. |
| 00:32.50 | Dagmar | Damage them both because the paladin doesn' notice until it's too late, and they *both* split |
| 00:33.01 | Dagmar | Then you're just looking at OMGNUKES |
| 00:33.05 | Jerub | Brandi Bear, Bear no CC. Bear have survival cooldowns. When cooldowns all on cooldown, bear go cold. |
| 00:33.52 | Dagmar | Multiple priests just made me super-glad I picked up Aimed Shot |
| 00:33.55 | Jerub | (bear also does 3.5k dps on that fight due to target rich environment) |
| 00:33.56 | Thunder_Child | i remember doing it the first day before the LoS was figured out. that was a bitch |
| 00:34.07 | Dagmar | The hide in the corner thing still sucks |
| 00:34.21 | Thunder_Child | better than sitting in the middle of the room |
| 00:34.23 | Ginji | Didn't they nerf HoR already? |
| 00:34.29 | Dagmar | It's impossible to see, and frankly I think if you're geared enough to do it that way, you're geared enough to just duke it out |
| 00:34.31 | Thunder_Child | it went from something i couldnt heal to something i could |
| 00:35.00 | Dagmar | Chain-heals? |
| 00:35.12 | Thunder_Child | disc priest |
| 00:35.25 | Dagmar | Weird |
| 00:35.29 | Thunder_Child | i was always targeted but the gunners |
| 00:35.38 | Jerub | there's a hack that people are doing to walk behind instead of in front of arthas. |
| 00:35.38 | Dagmar | Everyone winds up takin about twice as much damage when we try the corner "trick" |
| 00:35.38 | Thunder_Child | this made it eaiser for the tank to pick them up |
| 00:35.41 | Jerub | and i hate it. |
| 00:35.50 | Thunder_Child | by* |
| 00:35.51 | Jerub | i agree with dagmar |
| 00:36.10 | Jerub | last time i did it i said sod it and just engaged them in the entrance to the alcove and that was fine |
| 00:36.13 | Dagmar | I much prefer to just run around the room and keep everyone we're not killing CC'd |
| 00:36.53 | Dagmar | Yeah the only way you really get into trouble fighting them at the entrance is if you're so close to the door that the healers/DPS can't keep off the aggro list because of a lack of distance |
| 00:38.10 | Dagmar | I suspect a lot of people are just too lazy to get right up front next to the tank and tab around while the trash is spawning so they can jump on their preferred CC target as early as possible |
| 00:38.37 | Dagmar | Then their CC target winds up in the yellow clouds of hate and they just throw up their hands |
| 00:39.18 | Dagmar | I've been forcibly repositioning mobs wuth distracting shot in there |
| 00:39.43 | Dagmar | I've not found anything short of being stunned that seems to be able to make them stop chasing me for those six seconds |
| 00:41.08 | ccox | looks like 4chan is having net problems again |
| 00:41.57 | Dagmar | Quick. Everyone shut down your forums |
| 00:42.15 | Dagmar | Dispossesed 4chan users will be making accounts |
| 00:43.12 | ccox | "4chan is down again. Whatdoido? BLAME SCIENTOLOGY!" |
| 00:43.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Phaqui (n=Phaqui@80-89-36-175.insignal.net) |
| 00:43.35 | Dagmar | There are two types of people on the internet. Those who don't know what 4chan is, and those who don't go there. |
| 00:44.26 | zenzelezz | one does not simply walk into 4chan |
| 00:44.30 | Dagmar | No that is not a typo. |
| 00:44.40 | batrick | Arrowmaster: ? |
| 00:45.02 | ccox | sorry, was following a reported exploit link for information, and it was on 4 chan |
| 00:45.19 | ccox | of course, 4chan is down... |
| 00:45.36 | ccox | or maybe Apple is getting revenge for the 4chan iphone app |
| 00:46.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Phaqui (n=Phaqui@80-89-36-175.insignal.net) |
| 00:46.51 | ccox | or maybe they heard about the exploit first and took down... nah, this is 4chan. |
| 00:55.01 | Bruners | ccox: seems like /b is down but the others are up |
| 00:55.10 | ccox | seems to be now |
| 00:55.46 | Dagmar | *shudder* |
| 00:56.00 | Dagmar | 0.22-fixes if you can |
| 00:56.02 | Dagmar | !@#! |
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| 01:04.58 | bleeter | http://www.thedesignblog.org/entry/light-touch-interactive-projector-turns-any-flat-surface-into-a-touchscreen/ |
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| 01:20.50 | Dagmar | Wow. |
| 01:20.55 | Dagmar | Can Funcom fail any harder? |
| 01:21.22 | Dagmar | I just got an email from them that basically says "We're deleting all your level<20 toons since you're no longer a subscriber" |
| 01:21.31 | Dagmar | Like I could give a crap |
| 01:21.37 | Kraps | what game? |
| 01:21.42 | Dagmar | Age of Conan |
| 01:22.02 | ArrowmasterClass | dont you have to get past level 20 or something to even be able to interact with other players? |
| 01:22.03 | Dagmar | I wonder if I could get them to erase ever record that I ever played it, and give me those hours of my life back |
| 01:22.08 | Thunder_Child | thats sad if it's cramping their HD space |
| 01:22.21 | Dagmar | Yeah really how many toons could that possibly be |
| 01:23.29 | Dagmar | I should look to see what their stock ticker says tomorrow |
| 01:23.50 | Dagmar | ...seeing as how many shareholders played the game on release day and said "Oh jesus I have to sell that stock NOW" |
| 01:25.31 | WobWork | btw the walk behind arthas trick is awesome |
| 01:25.57 | Dagmar | So if you just stay behind him he never notices? |
| 01:26.01 | WobWork | yep |
| 01:26.05 | Dagmar | heheheh |
| 01:26.10 | WobWork | and the mobs spawn on top of you |
| 01:26.12 | Dagmar | Someone's facepalming over that right now |
| 01:26.21 | WobWork | (except the ghouls, which jump from where he summons them) |
| 01:26.33 | Dagmar | I would have never even thought of it after the first few roflstompings |
| 01:26.54 | Dagmar | Hell we were so desperate to get away from him that once we got all the way to the end of hte tunnel before realizing no one talked to Jaina to start things up |
| 01:27.08 | WobWork | "We're not retreating, we're just -moving in the completely opposite direction of the fucking lich king-!" |
| 01:27.31 | Thunder_Child | can the bmos see you if you are stealthed? |
| 01:27.35 | Thunder_Child | mobs* |
| 01:27.48 | Dagmar | THey might smell you |
| 01:27.57 | WobWork | how close are you talking? |
| 01:28.17 | WobWork | and why worry about that? |
| 01:28.24 | Thunder_Child | i wonder how glitchy it would be if everyone went as far as they could down the tunnel then had a rogue start the event |
| 01:28.25 | Dagmar | The real question is, how brutal will Arthas kill people who try that once the loophole is fixed |
| 01:28.33 | Dagmar | You'd die. |
| 01:28.36 | WobWork | you'd get stuck in front of the walls |
| 01:28.36 | Dagmar | Been there, done tat. |
| 01:28.44 | WobWork | and Jaina/sylvanas would die |
| 01:28.48 | WobWork | from the Lich King |
| 01:28.58 | Dagmar | He'd kill Jaina at the first wall and then trigger his infinite range Martin Fury socks |
| 01:29.25 | WobWork | I've had that happen if you move too far in front of Sylvannas |
| 01:35.06 | Jerub | WobWork: i refuse to do it. |
| 01:35.33 | Jerub | if a group can't handle the mobs infront of arthas, they don't deserve their extra badges imho |
| 01:38.24 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/22418636061-random-lfg--old-kingdom-80-of-the-time.html |
| 01:44.49 | ZorbaTHut | I have to admit I'm very curious how their random dungeon group creator works |
| 01:45.10 | ZorbaTHut | I've come up with a few theories, but they're really just theories, and they may be doing something more complicated or simpler. |
| 01:47.24 | Jerub | "For instance, Anomalus could use his Create Rift ability 20 times before you could kill him if we wanted to make it so. This would increase the encounter's difficulty by a negligible amount, the hardest part of which would be staying awake. " |
| 01:48.22 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: from that thread it sounds like the variables they're caring about the most are: tank dungeon selection, healer dungeon selection, dungeon locks. |
| 01:49.07 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, sure, but I'm curious how exactly they assemble those variables into a working team |
| 01:49.34 | ZorbaTHut | I mean it'd be easy enough to write something that just had a lot of hard requirements and assembled teams in first-come-first-serve order, but I'm curious if they're doing something fancier |
| 01:49.49 | Jerub | wow, i like elitist group (mmo plugin of the day) |
| 01:49.53 | ZorbaTHut | like relaxing some of the requirements if someone's been waiting for a while, or strenghening them if they haven't |
| 01:51.47 | Jerub | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15573-ElitistGroup.html |
| 01:54.22 | alestane | http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/01/100-quotes-every-geek-should-know/ |
| 01:56.24 | Jerub | why the hell is this line there: # âAlright, alright alright.â - Wooderson, Dazed and Confused |
| 01:56.54 | Jerub | # âI must not fear. / Fear is the mind-killer. / Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. / I will face my fear. / I will permit it to pass over me and through me. / And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. / Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. / Only I will remain.â - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear, Dune |
| 01:56.59 | Jerub | s/fear/lag/gi |
| 01:57.46 | alestane | Jerub: I agree that some of the quotes are somewhat difficult to recognize, especially without sound. |
| 01:58.25 | Jerub | alright, alright, alright isn't a quote... it might be a memorable event in a movie, but it's not a quote. |
| 02:00.16 | bleeter | would seem there's a wild effective attack against the authenticator http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418975462&sid=1&pageNo=6#111 |
| 02:00.53 | alestane | âItâs 106 miles to Chicago, weâve got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, itâs dark and weâre wearing sunglasses.â âHit it!â |
| 02:01.02 | Cairenn | rawr! |
| 02:01.08 | Cairenn | alestane++ |
| 02:01.27 | alestane | I really need to see that movie one of these days. |
| 02:01.36 | alestane | It's a great line, though. |
| 02:01.46 | Jerub | alestane: i <3 that movie. |
| 02:01.57 | Jerub | sooo many cars died for that mvie |
| 02:02.04 | NightHawkTheSane | it makes me sad that you haven't seen that movie :( |
| 02:15.09 | cbreak | bleeter: how would malware even get the rights to modify wow itself? |
| 02:15.15 | cbreak | only an administrator could do that |
| 02:15.30 | cbreak | and if the user works as admin, how would it do that without ticking off warden? |
| 02:16.11 | cbreak | well, hashing and comparing everything can't hurt |
| 02:18.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Grum (n=grum@codebase2.xs4all.nl) |
| 02:19.58 | Yssaril | cbreak: they won't normaly need admin rights (otherwise you would need them to add/remove addons as well) as for ticking of warden am not sure how that works but maybe they are simply intercepting the network data and spoofing a false reply |
| 02:20.49 | cbreak | could blizz be too stupid to encrypt their links? |
| 02:21.12 | cbreak | and I'd seriously hope you need admin rights to modify anything inside the application dir, icluding addons |
| 02:21.22 | cbreak | defaulting to world writable would be very risky |
| 02:22.11 | Yssaril | cbreak: on vista it installs to the games directory which is not under progfiles and is not restricted |
| 02:22.44 | cbreak | yay for security... |
| 02:23.45 | alestane | cbreak: The "security <~> usability" debate hit pretty hard in terms of customer service when Vista came out. |
| 02:23.55 | Yssaril | yep |
| 02:24.10 | cbreak | yeah, because MS did it dumb |
| 02:24.21 | Yssaril | totaly agreed |
| 02:24.25 | cbreak | "yay, let's poke the user every 30 seconds with a meaningless warning!" |
| 02:24.40 | Yssaril | that wasn't even the worst of it |
| 02:24.49 | cbreak | just like virus scanners that tell you all the time "OMG, I blocked an ICMP PING!" |
| 02:24.51 | alestane | Since the default customer service response is "remove/rename your Interface and WTF folders", when that could have zero effect on your installation due to VirtualStore, the cheapest fix was to get out of the Program Files directory. |
| 02:25.09 | Yssaril | you can "write" data to admin locations but they would promtly disapear next time you rebooted |
| 02:25.27 | cbreak | now that sounds neat |
| 02:25.32 | cbreak | temp space |
| 02:25.48 | Yssaril | cbreak: untill you have wow in progfiles and install addons and then reboot :P |
| 02:25.49 | cbreak | well, on second thought, sounds stupid as well |
| 02:26.05 | Yssaril | which is what happened initially in vista |
| 02:26.09 | cbreak | it should only be modifiable by admins |
| 02:26.25 | cbreak | and when a non admin tries it, it should ask for creds |
| 02:27.13 | Yssaril | cbreak: wait that would be the logical solution we can't have that |
| 02:27.49 | cbreak | I think UAC tried that. Unfortunately it asked for every meaningless stuff as I heard |
| 02:28.01 | Adys | [04:01:27] <+alestane> I really need to see that movie one of these days. |
| 02:28.08 | Adys | wasn't it blue brothers 2000? |
| 02:28.20 | Adys | because that one sucked |
| 02:28.39 | Dagmar | cbreak: It had a lot more to do with that Vista had a lunatic idea of security than it did problems with UAC itself |
| 02:29.11 | Dagmar | Even W7 is still fairly retarded in some aspects, but at least they've done a better job of sweeping it under the rug. |
| 02:29.34 | cbreak | back to everyone's-a-king? |
| 02:29.45 | Dagmar | Something like that. THey never left that idea. |
| 02:30.12 | ZorbaTHut | haha, that's awesome. I was just insisting to people that there was a perfectly reasonable attack on the authenticator by intercepting packets and keystrokes |
| 02:30.23 | ZorbaTHut | they insisted it was impossible and nobody would ever go to that much trouble |
| 02:30.23 | Dagmar | Explorer just does a better job of transparently discarding credentials depending on which directory you're accessing or which logical construction you're accessing it as |
| 02:30.28 | ZorbaTHut | WHO'S LAUGHING NOW |
| 02:30.45 | cbreak | ZorbaTHut: I argued about that a year ago |
| 02:30.56 | Adys | i think everyone die |
| 02:30.57 | Adys | did* |
| 02:30.58 | ZorbaTHut | it's a pretty simple attack |
| 02:31.09 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know why people think an authenticator is a bulletproof method. |
| 02:31.10 | Dagmar | Hell there's a race condition that can be exploited if they code is typed and sent one char at a time |
| 02:31.14 | cbreak | yeah. It's hard to defend against real time attacks |
| 02:31.15 | Dagmar | Those are knowns. |
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| 02:31.28 | ZorbaTHut | it's certainly a hell of a lot better, but it's nowhere near perfect. |
| 02:31.39 | cbreak | especially when the attacker is on one of the computers |
| 02:31.40 | Dagmar | It's also going to be hard as hell for the user to not notice right away there's a problem should such an attack occur |
| 02:31.56 | Adys | or they could simply encrypt the digits |
| 02:32.09 | Torhal | Once again: "There's no such thing as a magic bullet." |
| 02:32.12 | Dagmar | It's not bulletproof, it's just a hell of a lot better than a single factor authentication |
| 02:32.14 | cbreak | Adys: useless if the MITM is on your machine |
| 02:32.19 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, I always thought a reasonable approach would be to normally allow the user to connect |
| 02:32.29 | cbreak | Dagmar: there are troyans that successfully use MitM on bank pages |
| 02:32.36 | ZorbaTHut | then when there's an attacker sitting at his computer, it intercepts one login request, then behaves like the server's down. |
| 02:32.37 | cbreak | including simulating that your transaction actually worked |
| 02:32.43 | ZorbaTHut | i.e. blocking all future connections to the WoW server. |
| 02:32.47 | cbreak | while it of course got blocked so they could use your code |
| 02:32.47 | Dagmar | cbreak: Yes but the bank doesn't turn around and say "GTFO LAMER" if you login twice |
| 02:32.51 | Adys | cbreak: what about the GotF attack? |
| 02:32.58 | Adys | Gun on the forehead, "Give me your password" |
| 02:33.00 | ZorbaTHut | that way they'd probably just assume "oh login server/my connection is fucked" while the gold farmer cleans out his account. |
| 02:33.13 | Adys | blizzard cant be held responsible for every fucking unsecure network out there |
| 02:33.32 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Either way the thieves can't just quietly stash the L/P and have a stock of "pre-made level 80's on any server, ready for purchasing" |
| 02:33.41 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, that's true, yes |
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| 02:34.02 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: http://dpaste.com/143854/ ! |
| 02:34.05 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, what does it take to remove an authenticator from an account? |
| 02:34.12 | Adys | an authenticator |
| 02:34.13 | ZorbaTHut | do you have to call them, or can you do it through account management? |
| 02:34.17 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Hah. I know this one for sure. |
| 02:34.17 | ZorbaTHut | so uh |
| 02:34.18 | Adys | account |
| 02:34.20 | cbreak | probably something like several authenticator codes |
| 02:34.24 | ZorbaTHut | there seems to be a security issue there :D |
| 02:34.34 | Dagmar | If you *still have* the thing, you can enter the code twice (meaning two different codes) into a form on the Battle.net site to remove it |
| 02:34.48 | ZorbaTHut | if they're watching the user try to log on over and over - which they almost certainly will - they'll probably get a few codes in quick succession |
| 02:34.49 | Adys | Bibi-: quit being offline |
| 02:34.57 | Corrodias | if not, you can send them proof of identity and a form |
| 02:34.59 | ZorbaTHut | authenticator removed, account compromised |
| 02:35.00 | Dagmar | If you've lost the thing, like I did, you have to call CS, and know both the CDkey for the original WoW account, as well as the answer to the secret question you gave at account creation time |
| 02:35.18 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Either way the user is going to call CS and say "I can't login" |
| 02:35.24 | Corrodias | oooh |
| 02:35.26 | Dagmar | ...at which point the jig is effectively up. |
| 02:35.31 | ZorbaTHut | adys, do I even want to know what the serial numbers are for? :P |
| 02:35.40 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, true, but possibly only after a few days |
| 02:35.48 | ZorbaTHut | at that point the account can easily be stripped and/or "sold" |
| 02:35.49 | Dagmar | Doubtful |
| 02:35.57 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: what serial numbers? the authenticator's? |
| 02:36.05 | Dagmar | Most people will be calling immediately and shrieking "WHY AR I CAN NOT LOGIN!" |
| 02:36.07 | ZorbaTHut | adys, changed_10554 |
| 02:36.13 | Adys | build numbers |
| 02:36.26 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, I don't actually believe that - we're pretty well-trained at this point to just accept that the login server melts once in a while |
| 02:36.32 | ZorbaTHut | or is offline, or whatever |
| 02:36.36 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: The less playtime the thieves have, the harder it is for them to make a buck |
| 02:36.49 | cbreak | next step: |
| 02:36.52 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, I don't know, how much more can they really make in a day than in an hour? |
| 02:36.59 | cbreak | wow comes with linux on an USB stick |
| 02:37.01 | ZorbaTHut | stripping an account is pretty dang fast. |
| 02:37.03 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: yes and you've seen people post all over hte forums when it happens |
| 02:37.07 | Dagmar | Posting without even looking first |
| 02:37.15 | cbreak | so you just boot it from that and have your own semi-secure portable environment |
| 02:37.17 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but I'm not talking about the small number of people that panic |
| 02:37.24 | ZorbaTHut | I'm talking about the much larger number of people that don't |
| 02:37.28 | Dagmar | I'm sorry... so the thieves somehow make money from just stripping a toon? |
| 02:37.30 | Dagmar | I don't think so. |
| 02:38.02 | Dagmar | If this were just about vandalism, it would be one thing, but the thieves have to be able to get away with their actions for more than a few minutes or their profit model starts coming apart |
| 02:38.06 | ZorbaTHut | well . . . yes? they sell all the stuff, sell gold on an account, or just fill a waiting lv80-character purchase |
| 02:38.18 | ZorbaTHut | and I still say they'd get hours, at *least* |
| 02:38.26 | ZorbaTHut | quite likely longer |
| 02:38.43 | Dagmar | Yeah and what do you think's going to happen when someone buys that "pre-made 80" and two hours later it's _dead_ |
| 02:38.51 | cbreak | they can't sell characters that are protected with a key gen |
| 02:38.54 | Dagmar | ...instead of it taking a week or two to get caught up with |
| 02:38.57 | ZorbaTHut | the same thing that happens when blizzard finds out about it and bans it |
| 02:38.58 | cbreak | since the prospective buyer can't log in |
| 02:39.03 | ZorbaTHut | namely, the seller takes the money and runs |
| 02:39.11 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, I'm hypothesizing that they remove the authenticator from the account |
| 02:39.19 | ZorbaTHut | they only need a few valid codes in quick succession to do so |
| 02:39.26 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: At which point Visa says "Oh no you don't." |
| 02:39.28 | ZorbaTHut | and most people, after failing to log on once, will try again |
| 02:39.33 | cbreak | then they can still not change the e-mail address or the parental protection |
| 02:39.58 | Dagmar | We're not talking about religious dogma here. |
| 02:40.21 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, I'm curious how often that's a problem for them already. I mean, people do (rarely, but occasionally) get banned for buying gold |
| 02:40.27 | ZorbaTHut | do they reverse charges? does it, you know, work? |
| 02:40.28 | Dagmar | Just because the authenticator can't defend your account from psychic superhumans in the very short term does NOT mean you go to hell for using it |
| 02:40.31 | cbreak | the best they can do is liquidate the resources on the account and then transfer the gold off |
| 02:40.52 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Most credit card companies will indeed reverse charges immediately for goods not delivered |
| 02:41.01 | cbreak | I wonder if blizz can track gold flow |
| 02:41.11 | Dagmar | I'm sure they can. |
| 02:41.59 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, sure, but, I mean, that issue exists with the current system also |
| 02:42.06 | Dagmar | It will become significantly harder for them to even money launder if Blizz starts making authenticators mandatory, too |
| 02:42.07 | ZorbaTHut | I'm curious how often it actually occurs |
| 02:42.32 | ZorbaTHut | (personally I think they should just make timecards an ingame item that can be sold on the AH, head off the gold sellers at the pass and be done with it) |
| 02:42.37 | cbreak | would be quite costly for blizz to make them mandatory |
| 02:42.37 | Dagmar | I'd like to know myself, just so I could know how much of the player base are a bunch of stinky goat-f**kers |
| 02:43.08 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Making the goldfarmers work for you doesn't solve the problem |
| 02:43.29 | Dagmar | Licencing crack dealers doesn't mean that crack isn't bad for you, either. |
| 02:43.33 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, sure it does - the goldfarmers wouldn't be able to make real-life money off it, and they'd suddenly be competing against everyone playing the game legitimately |
| 02:43.48 | Dagmar | They'd just be making _less_ money is all |
| 02:43.51 | cbreak | Dagmar: neither does licensing liquor stores |
| 02:44.00 | ZorbaTHut | sure, it's an economic solution to an economic problem |
| 02:44.04 | cbreak | nevertheless, it works better than prohibition. |
| 02:44.13 | Dagmar | I have a better solution. |
| 02:44.26 | cbreak | everyone drinks water only? :) |
| 02:44.29 | Dagmar | We go to China, kill a few hundred goldfarmers, then demand diplomatic immunity. |
| 02:44.48 | cbreak | chances are china wouldn't notice |
| 02:44.56 | Dagmar | China won't do anything because they made it illegal, and the US won't do anything because it's not like goldfarmers are people. |
| 02:45.09 | ZorbaTHut | chances are the gold farming industry wouldn't notice either ;) |
| 02:45.24 | cbreak | most gold farmers are probably morrons |
| 02:45.31 | cbreak | who chose "god" as their login password |
| 02:45.32 | Dagmar | I dunno man, the volume of spam coming from .RU dropped for a while after they shot that one dude in the head |
| 02:45.49 | cbreak | and wake up naked in stormwind's backyard with a tatoo on their face |
| 02:46.00 | Jerub | ever done that? |
| 02:46.16 | cbreak | I am a programmer... of course not. |
| 02:46.24 | cbreak | social interaction is for woosies |
| 02:46.27 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 02:46.53 | Torhal | A couple years back this Priest in the guild I was in at the time logs in and says on guild chat: "WTF? I just woke up in Thousand Needles with no pants." |
| 02:47.05 | Jerub | a guildie logged in as someone else in the guild, destroyed his heathstone, and parked him in the Auction House of stormwind. |
| 02:47.07 | Dagmar | lol |
| 02:47.09 | Dagmar | I've had days like that |
| 02:47.22 | Dagmar | Logged in, had NO idea what the hell I was doing when I logged out because I was really really drunk then |
| 02:48.02 | Corrodias | i remember being so exhausted that i'd fall asleep while running/flying somewhere and even overshoot it by quite a bit |
| 02:48.12 | Corrodias | i have no concept of sleep management |
| 02:48.13 | Dagmar | Northrend is EVIL for that |
| 02:48.29 | Dagmar | You *are* taking the graveyard res if you pass out while flying. |
| 02:49.11 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i've got a problem report for you: |
| 02:49.16 | Jerub | Sahrs: /qh incomplete fail |
| 02:49.18 | Jerub | Sahrs: i'm in howling and it's showing a quest in dire maul and another in shadowmoon valley... |
| 02:49.58 | ZorbaTHut | what does "in dire maul" mean? is it showing up in the zone as being attainable there, but it's a quest elsewhere? |
| 02:50.06 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: just gettinga quest id. |
| 02:50.13 | ZorbaTHut | gimme a link to the quests |
| 02:50.28 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: just getting that now. |
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| 02:53.35 | Jerub | Sahrs: quests 5518 and 10651 are showing up in howling fjord |
| 02:54.24 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10651 |
| 02:54.30 | Adys | http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/01/toad-is-flipping-us-off-in-super-mario-bros/ |
| 02:54.36 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=5518 |
| 02:56.44 | Bruners | sweet new House! |
| 02:57.03 | Kraps | check this out http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/fail_duke_nukem/ |
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| 03:19.42 | Yssaril | lol http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/8450385.stm |
| 03:22.17 | Kraps | Yssaril: doh |
| 03:25.37 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: was that enough info? or do you need more? |
| 03:26.21 | WobWork | my biggest problem with running LFD with a premade |
| 03:26.28 | WobWork | is that sometimes it dumps you into a nonheroic |
| 03:26.43 | WobWork | and you don't realise unless you look at the portal entrance, or not get badges on boss kills |
| 03:29.42 | ZorbaTHut | oh whoops didn't see the link |
| 03:29.45 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, that's really odd |
| 03:29.58 | ZorbaTHut | I'll have to think about it. Might not be fixed anytime soon :) |
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| 03:32.50 | Dagmar | WobWork: That would have to be a bug. I'd never had it put me in a non-heroic |
| 03:39.32 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5445761/96+hour-marathon-allegedly-blinds-chinese-gamer |
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| 03:42.54 | Thunder_Child | i start downloading, 27 hours. i come back 3 housr later, 29 hours. >.< |
| 03:43.57 | Jerub | progress meters are a lie. |
| 03:44.05 | Thunder_Child | i guess so |
| 03:44.23 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: if you had some hints on where to look at this, i might spend some time on it ;) |
| 03:44.29 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.17 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, it'd be a database issue, buried somewhere in the data compilation code at best |
| 03:45.34 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i see. not something i can look at :) |
| 03:45.38 | Thunder_Child | (on his machine in his closet) |
| 03:45.38 | ZorbaTHut | possibly some error with the quest-accept system, possibly not |
| 03:46.06 | ZorbaTHut | not really. even if I were to send you the code you'd need to spend five or ten bucks in amazon s3 bandwidth to grab all the source data, and then it's about a 12-hour process on a quad-core box to actually do a build ;) |
| 03:55.25 | Dagmar | So it's a little like building KDE and Qt then |
| 03:55.48 | Dagmar | Probably a little faster. |
| 03:55.56 | tem | jnwhiteh, if you're still around: for frost tanking, don't bother with 2 diseases unless the target is going to live for a long time |
| 03:56.09 | tem | glyph HB and then you don't have to bother with IT or Pest at all |
| 03:56.31 | tem | I wouldn't really want to single-disease for anything serious |
| 03:56.37 | tem | it might be okay as DW |
| 03:56.43 | tem | but I've never tried it |
| 03:58.39 | Dagmar | I needs mah death strike when the healer is being inattentive |
| 03:59.47 | tem | in my gear it doesn't even matter |
| 04:00.09 | tem | if I went blood, though, I bet I could do heroics without a healer at all |
| 04:00.31 | Jerub | i've done that. it's like soloing. you fight, heal up, fight, heal up. |
| 04:00.32 | Jerub | XD |
| 04:01.06 | Dagmar | I've specced my DK like that before. Yeah you *can* mostly do heroic trash without a healer, but it takes freaking ages |
| 04:01.23 | tem | oh I can do heroic trash solo |
| 04:01.27 | tem | most of it anyway |
| 04:01.29 | tem | as frost |
| 04:01.45 | tem | I bet I could solo a couple heroics |
| 04:01.57 | tem | hell I practically do sometimes |
| 04:02.13 | tem | I swear some of the people lfd puts me with are brain damaged |
| 04:02.32 | Jerub | is going to try that with some guildmates. |
| 04:02.43 | Jerub | i heard there's a freak who solo'd nexus |
| 04:02.44 | Dagmar | It's stuff like that that makes me glad misdirect and volley are now compatible |
| 04:02.56 | Dagmar | It makes up for looney DKs who aren't AoE-tanking worth beans |
| 04:03.59 | Dagmar | DnD is a nice AoE but if you expect it to do all the work itself, expect some hunter's monkey to be doing some off-tanking |
| 04:05.05 | tem | my D&D can do all the work for me >.> |
| 04:05.15 | tem | if I glyphed it, I could tank with D&D alone |
| 04:05.22 | tem | as long as I don't get anyone doing good dps |
| 04:06.01 | tem | I'm pissed that we got the shaft on 2pc bonuses among tanks (i.e. no single-target spell), but when I do D&D it's threat is just plain silly |
| 04:07.00 | Kraps | i installed rankwatch and thought people would get pissy at being told how to play but its been good so fal |
| 04:07.13 | Jerub | Kraps: what's rankwatch? |
| 04:07.32 | NightHawkTheSane | it tells you if the scrubs your playing with arent using the top rank of spells |
| 04:07.33 | tem | well |
| 04:07.35 | Jerub | oh, right, cool. |
| 04:07.42 | NightHawkTheSane | you're* |
| 04:07.42 | tem | it's not always scrubs doing that |
| 04:07.42 | Dagmar | Some folks really never got that memo |
| 04:07.42 | Jerub | does that happen a lot to you kraps? |
| 04:07.45 | Kraps | that said, there are a LOT of people who dont rank up |
| 04:07.52 | tem | it's not that people don't rank up |
| 04:07.54 | tem | let me explain |
| 04:08.05 | tem | they leveled with dual spec |
| 04:08.06 | Dagmar | it's that their button bars never got the mmeo |
| 04:08.08 | Jerub | i have a pally healer in my guild who will shift to rank1 of his healing spells if the tank gives him lip. |
| 04:08.16 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 04:08.17 | NightHawkTheSane | a lot of time it's just honest mistakes/forgetfulness |
| 04:08.21 | tem | when you buy a new spell, it only updates your current spec's bar |
| 04:08.33 | tem | so if you leveled feral |
| 04:08.41 | tem | your resto bars might be out of date |
| 04:08.43 | Jerub | tem: then it doens't matter becuase you use clique anyway. |
| 04:08.45 | tem | and you wouldn't realize it |
| 04:08.47 | Jerub | ;) |
| 04:08.57 | tem | I really don't like click-healing |
| 04:09.35 | Dagmar | You could always bind the entire alphabet to raid members and use meta keys |
| 04:09.47 | Jerub | Dagmar: do people actually do that. |
| 04:09.53 | Dagmar | I would hope not |
| 04:10.02 | Dagmar | It would make getting out of "the stuff" a bit interesting |
| 04:10.06 | Jerub | or! you could click on their toon when you see their hovering health bar go down, and then lcick on your action bar. |
| 04:10.29 | tem | I click a grid look-a-like |
| 04:10.40 | tem | and then push my hotkeys on the keyboard for which heal I want |
| 04:10.56 | Jerub | which grid do you use? |
| 04:11.06 | Jerub | I'm on ouf_freebgrid out of recommendation here |
| 04:11.24 | tem | I think this addon was originally freebgrid |
| 04:11.29 | tem | but I've changed it pretty heavily |
| 04:11.32 | Jerub | is that the heal one? |
| 04:11.40 | Jerub | that shows who is healing who? |
| 04:11.55 | tem | I had an ouf grid lookalike |
| 04:12.00 | tem | and modified it to do what I want |
| 04:12.12 | Dagmar | My raid healer friend just uses metakeys to select which heal |
| 04:12.14 | tem | I think the base mod was freebgrid |
| 04:12.17 | kd3 | so heh. finally saw avatar |
| 04:12.24 | tem | and? |
| 04:12.25 | Dagmar | Definitely whackamole territory, but it seems to work |
| 04:12.39 | kd3 | that avatar<->pocohontas paper did a good job |
| 04:12.44 | Jerub | Dagmar: yeah, i do that. clique+ouf_freebgrid |
| 04:12.45 | tem | lol |
| 04:13.04 | Iriel | kd3: yes |
| 04:13.10 | Jerub | tem: i think someone here told me about an ouf_grid derivative that showed a line between healer and patient. was that yours? |
| 04:13.29 | tem | negative |
| 04:13.38 | Jerub | okay. what mods does yours have? |
| 04:13.42 | tem | I didn't release it |
| 04:14.07 | tem | I didn't make enough changes to warrant it |
| 04:14.21 | tem | also, if I wanted to write a raiframe, I'd do it from scratch |
| 04:14.42 | Jerub | tem: i mean, what features did you add? |
| 04:14.55 | tem | oh, I changed the indicators |
| 04:15.00 | tem | so they lagged me less |
| 04:15.02 | Jerub | oh, right. |
| 04:15.22 | tem | and I changed the debuff filtering |
| 04:15.31 | Jerub | Kraps: how often does rankwatch flag stuff? |
| 04:16.06 | Jerub | the only addon i've installed recently that i've been quite impressed with has been sexycooldown |
| 04:17.23 | Antiarc | Jerub: Glad you like it :) |
| 04:17.43 | Jerub | Antiarc: i haven't got it configured properly yet. it's not showing when my buffs/debuffs will finish. |
| 04:17.49 | Jerub | will have to do that. |
| 04:18.14 | Jerub | it might even take the place of badkitty for me. |
| 04:18.17 | Jerub | (not that I do kitty anymore :/ |
| 04:18.57 | Kraps | Jerub: only once per spell |
| 04:19.11 | Jerub | Kraps: i mean, in LFD. |
| 04:21.18 | Dagmar | I'm hoping the LDB calendar replacer will get support for the invite notification |
| 04:21.43 | Dagmar | I had hte guild leader asking me why I didn't accept the raid invite for this weekend, and I didn't have a clue what he was talking about |
| 04:22.04 | Dagmar | Everyone else had a very obvious glowing, pulsing "?" on their calendar pox |
| 04:22.51 | Kraps | Jerub: yeah, when i'm in an instance and someone uses a downranked spell it will msg them about that spell, but only once |
| 04:25.49 | Jerub | Kraps: i mean, doe sit happen in every LFD? or one in 5? |
| 04:26.10 | Kraps | one in 5? |
| 04:26.22 | Jerub | rephrases the question again. |
| 04:26.54 | Kraps | is glad |
| 04:26.57 | Jerub | Kraps: In your expereince since starting to use Rankwatch, how often do you find a player who hasn't upgraded the buttons on their bars? one player in 10? one player in 20? |
| 04:27.50 | Kraps | well, its closer to 1 in 10 i think |
| 04:28.03 | NightHawkTheSane | thats mildly disturbing |
| 04:31.00 | Dagmar | Well... I guess I'll be installing that when I get home. It could explain a few things. |
| 04:37.33 | WobWork | kd3: I've seen that avatar <-> pocohontas thing used for another movie |
| 04:39.55 | Jerub | i saw avatar in 3d. |
| 04:40.19 | Jerub | it was a stunning example of what is basically going to be a new genre of movie, the mostly animated, life action cinematic 3d experience.a |
| 04:40.41 | Jerub | and i'm glad they used a simple stable plot to use in their prototype. |
| 04:40.56 | Jerub | s/life/live/ |
| 04:40.58 | Thunder_Child | there was years to refine it. |
| 04:41.12 | Jerub | 3d movies won't work live action without cgi. |
| 04:41.13 | Thunder_Child | he refused to make that move for something like 10 years till 3D was avaliable |
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| 04:41.32 | NightHawkTheSane | he should have made it 10 years ago when it was at least mildly original |
| 04:41.33 | Jerub | because of focus issues. it hurt in the scenes that were real. |
| 04:41.47 | Thunder_Child | it will get better |
| 04:41.50 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: that story was old when noah was in short pants. |
| 04:42.04 | Jerub | but all the cgi scenes (which were 95% of the movie) were fine. |
| 04:42.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: yeah, i know. it wasn't even the unoriginality that bothered me, it was the fact that it was so thin and underdeveloped |
| 04:42.43 | Thunder_Child | of course it's old, it bloody pocahontas in space |
| 04:42.55 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: meh. I'm just glad it wasn't so complicated as to get in the way of the exploration of the medium. |
| 04:42.56 | Thunder_Child | it's* |
| 04:43.05 | Dagmar | You know guys, there's these things people used to buy back in "the day" |
| 04:43.06 | Jerub | in fact, i read it as 'Ferntree Gully' |
| 04:43.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: see, i see the reverse. I saw the medium as getting in the way of the story :P |
| 04:43.19 | Dagmar | They were portable, used very little electricity, almost none in fact, and had words in them. |
| 04:43.46 | Thunder_Child | no Dagmar, books in 3D never really caught on |
| 04:43.56 | Jerub | Dagmar: shush about books. books never make good movies. only short stories translate to movie length dramas without a huge impedence mismatch. |
| 04:44.15 | NightHawkTheSane | avatar would have made a better book ;) |
| 04:44.41 | Jerub | avatar is the sort of story that phillip k dick would've spent 30-40 pages on |
| 04:44.53 | WobWork | I thought Avatar was "Dances with Night Elves" |
| 04:44.56 | Dagmar | Well, I'm pretty sure I read Avatar as a book or novella about 15 years ago |
| 04:45.13 | WobWork | or "Dances With Smurfs" |
| 04:45.15 | Dagmar | Might have been Heinlein |
| 04:45.21 | Jerub | shawshank redeption is a story i only read recently. was a very good movie translation. |
| 04:45.21 | Dagmar | After awhile the damn things all start to run together |
| 04:45.26 | WobWork | I played a -game- that was simliar to this plot |
| 04:45.32 | WobWork | a computer game =\ |
| 04:45.34 | Jerub | WobWork: massive killer smurfs who ride dinosaurs into battle. |
| 04:45.35 | Jerub | :P |
| 04:45.46 | WobWork | Jerub: he had to fit in -some- level of awesome |
| 04:46.02 | WobWork | if, now, they were robotic ninja dinosaurs... |
| 04:46.55 | Jerub | i'm just upset that mountains didn't fall out of the sky. |
| 04:47.47 | Kraps | wired had a great article on camron and avatar |
| 04:48.42 | Dagmar | It's got craploads of CGI. Of *course* Wired published an article on it. |
| 05:13.28 | Kraps | wired has great articles on everything |
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| 05:20.48 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418746470&sid=1 |
| 05:22.44 | Dagmar | The moment Steve Jobs makes an iPhone which has brass fittings and burlwood on it, we'll be reading about the blowjob they gave someone to get their review hardware |
| 05:23.30 | Dagmar | Kraps: The system should just auto-delete and ban any post that ends in "Discuss." |
| 05:34.10 | kd3 | gah |
| 05:34.19 | kd3 | creating 500 heavy frostweave bandages takes some time |
| 05:35.04 | Iriel | You should mail me all your frostweave instead |
| 05:35.06 | Iriel | that'll be quicker |
| 05:35.07 | Corrodias | time, the true currency of WoW |
| 05:35.33 | Jerub | isn't it the currency of every mmo? |
| 05:36.03 | NightHawkTheSane | `time is the currency of life :P |
| 05:36.11 | Corrodias | absolutely true |
| 05:36.59 | WobWork | Time is money, friend! |
| 05:37.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart WobWork |
| 05:37.10 | purl | takes WobWork to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 05:37.19 | WobWork | woohoo! |
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| 05:39.28 | Thunder_Child | what you dont know NightHawkTheSane, is that the "special" visit is to the hot veterinarian |
| 05:39.58 | NightHawkTheSane | whos to say i didn't know that? |
| 05:40.07 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe i took him there on purpose! |
| 05:40.36 | Thunder_Child | though what WobWork doesnt know is that the veterinarion is male |
| 05:40.49 | Jerub | and is going to take your 'temperature' |
| 05:40.51 | Jerub | ;) |
| 05:41.27 | WobWork | Not that there's anything wrong with that |
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| 06:23.52 | Thunder_Child | this seems silly http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=243593989035 |
| 06:24.00 | Thunder_Child | interesting, but silly |
| 06:36.21 | WobWork | "INVITE ALL FRIENDS = 5x Chance of Winning" |
| 06:36.34 | WobWork | ... I don't think his concept of maths is quite the same as everyone elses... |
| 06:36.50 | WobWork | oh wait, no I see |
| 06:51.26 | Thunder_Child | every time i watch anchorman i come away with the same conclusion. it would require devine intervention to get to the usefulnes of toilet paper. |
| 06:51.35 | Thunder_Child | try to watch* |
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| 07:05.50 | digmouse | which one is the oldest All-in-one inventory mod? |
| 07:05.56 | digmouse | bagnon or onebag or sth else? |
| 07:06.27 | Shirik | onebag imo |
| 07:06.33 | Shirik | it's the oldest one I remember |
| 07:07.44 | digmouse | ArkInventory? |
| 07:08.29 | digmouse | no that is a young one probably |
| 07:09.03 | nevcairiel | wasnt there even a mod called AllInOneInventory which was pretty much the first? |
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| 07:19.25 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Happy Birthday Cairenn! |
| 07:22.05 | Shirik | I'm certain OneBag was 1.10 or earlier |
| 07:22.11 | Shirik | because it's one of the first mods I ever used |
| 07:25.18 | Thunder_Child | wait...what did i do? |
| 07:26.02 | Thunder_Child | that invite was on the 22 of december... |
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| 07:26.07 | Shirik | yes you did |
| 07:26.07 | Thunder_Child | fail purl |
| 07:26.22 | Shirik | unacceptable |
| 07:26.37 | Thunder_Child | talk to purl |
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| 07:30.28 | mascondante | Shadowed: You around? |
| 07:32.26 | mascondante | ~slap Thunder_Child |
| 07:32.27 | purl | ACTION slaps Thunder_Child, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
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| 07:43.35 | digmouse | @ping |
| 07:43.35 | Repo | pong |
| 07:43.50 | digmouse | sry wrong cmd |
| 07:49.16 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/11/funny-pictures-three-seconds/ |
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| 08:08.11 | haste | I need to write a greasemonkey script to remove comments on that site |
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| 08:13.59 | NightHawkTheSane | s/on that site// |
| 08:17.37 | Shirik | omgz |
| 08:17.39 | Shirik | the chinas |
| 08:17.41 | Shirik | they are haxoring me |
| 08:17.44 | haste | no, how boring wouldn't slashdot be then NightHawkTheSane / |
| 08:18.39 | Shirik | Hi, The IP 124.166.250.250 has just been banned by Fail2Ban after 5 attempts against SSH. |
| 08:18.39 | Shirik | descr: China Unicom Shan1xi province network |
| 08:18.39 | Shirik | why they are so mean to me |
| 08:18.39 | Shirik | oops |
| 08:18.47 | Shirik | I guess they went after freenode now |
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| 08:19.20 | haste | Shirik: hi2u random ssh attacks |
| 08:19.29 | Shirik | why china is so mean |
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| 08:23.20 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUwjWHNLgEw&feature=player_embedded |
| 08:24.16 | Shirik | ahahaha |
| 08:28.25 | Shirik | does anyone know if windows xp mode is an entirely sandboxed environment? |
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| 08:29.06 | zenzio | don't know for sure, but I believe I read that it basically uses VirtualPC |
| 08:29.21 | Shirik | that's my understanding |
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| 08:37.49 | Wobin | http://17.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kw28koQClT1qawbnao1_500.jpg |
| 08:37.58 | Wobin | Binturong... the world's largest civet... |
| 08:38.28 | Corrodias | the virtual pc has its own virtual drive but it has a significant amount of access to the host PC, to an extent that i am not sure of |
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| 08:39.41 | Corrodias | or maybe it doesn't |
| 08:40.24 | Shirik | Corrodias: My real question is "If I unleash a virus on windows xp mode, will it affect the rest of my computer" |
| 08:40.44 | Corrodias | my response is that it does have network access to your host, at least |
| 08:40.51 | Shirik | my understanding is the connections to the "real world" are essentially limited to devices themselves |
| 08:40.56 | Corrodias | not direct file access, but it can use network shares |
| 08:41.02 | Shirik | I'm not worried about that |
| 08:41.12 | Shirik | if a virus can propagate through my network I have more serious problems |
| 08:42.10 | Corrodias | if that's a nonissue, i THINK you're okay, but don't quote me on that, and i don't think the virtual pc player that is installed for xp mode has checkpoints or anything of that sort |
| 08:45.58 | Corrodias | which reminds me, i ought to get a VM product on this computer |
| 08:48.53 | Corrodias | i think the last vmware i used was 2 major versions ago. do any of these run d3d yet? |
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| 09:30.25 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418946145&sid=1 << made of fail. |
| 09:32.15 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: is there a way to even wipe out and redo the xp mode? |
| 09:32.26 | Shirik | I assume so; it must make a vhd somewhere |
| 09:32.42 | Arrowmaster | until you confirm it i wouldnt attempt anything |
| 09:33.21 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: virtualbox is the only one with 3d support |
| 09:33.35 | Arrowmaster | but its experimental |
| 09:34.12 | Corrodias | vmware workstation's page says it supports d3d 9.0c now with shader something or other. pretty spiffy. |
| 09:34.16 | Corrodias | it has a screenshot of running hl2 |
| 09:34.29 | Corrodias | though that's the $190 product |
| 09:34.46 | Arrowmaster | that probably also requires a windows host |
| 09:34.53 | Arrowmaster | knowing vmware |
| 09:35.03 | Corrodias | it runs on a number of systems, the d3d part proooobably requires windows |
| 09:35.22 | Fisker | you know who should get spanked though Shirik ? |
| 09:35.40 | Arrowmaster | virtualbox works on any system since its got an experimental d3d driver that converts all calls to opengl |
| 09:36.04 | Corrodias | now that sounds like an interesting technology |
| 09:36.19 | Arrowmaster | its based on wine i think |
| 09:39.41 | Corrodias | looks pretty slick. i'll give it a go, thanks. |
| 09:39.49 | Corrodias | why do you always have such useful information? |
| 09:40.08 | Arrowmaster | because im a repository for information |
| 09:42.16 | Arrowmaster | new 3.1 series of virtualbox also uses virtio, so on linux hosts its nolonger even encapsulating the client-host network communications, its all direct like unix sockets |
| 09:42.26 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 09:42.29 | jnwhiteh | no instaqueue for heroics |
| 09:42.30 | jnwhiteh | wtf is going on |
| 09:44.04 | krka | people are starting to get all achievements and enough frost emblems to stop caring? |
| 09:44.43 | jnwhiteh | 6 minute wait |
| 09:44.49 | jnwhiteh | BUT I'M A HEALER! |
| 09:44.51 | foxlit | role? |
| 09:45.13 | foxlit | Meh, sounds somewhere on the pessimistic side. |
| 09:45.30 | foxlit | But those instances were usually tank-critical anyway. |
| 09:45.41 | jnwhiteh | Nah, I was sitting there for quite some time, actually |
| 09:46.05 | krka | 6 minutes is nothing |
| 09:46.07 | foxlit | Had a tank leave at the start of oculus last night. |
| 09:46.19 | foxlit | We killed the first boss by the time LFG came up with another one. |
| 09:46.57 | krka | i lost a tank in drak'theron after we wiped on King Drek, so we 4 manned the rest of the instance with me tanking in my dps gear |
| 09:47.10 | krka | went much easier after that tank left actually O_o |
| 09:47.37 | foxlit | Indeed. At some level of healer gearing, anyone with plate-class armor will do. |
| 09:47.40 | jnwhiteh | I have quite literally never waited more than 2 minutes for a queue =/ |
| 09:47.50 | nevcairiel | you queue only heal/tank? :D |
| 09:47.52 | jnwhiteh | and this makes baby cladhaire cry |
| 09:47.56 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: yes.. |
| 09:47.57 | jnwhiteh | =0 |
| 09:48.01 | nevcairiel | and now dps? |
| 09:48.02 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 09:48.04 | jnwhiteh | why would I queue dps? |
| 09:48.05 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 09:48.08 | jnwhiteh | i'm not queued dps |
| 09:48.11 | jnwhiteh | i'm queued heal =) |
| 09:48.18 | nevcairiel | maybe tanks are short this time of day |
| 09:48.24 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 09:48.30 | jnwhiteh | bastards |
| 09:48.32 | jnwhiteh | yells for Mikma |
| 09:48.41 | zenzio | you don't wait *for* a queue, you wait *in* a queue |
| 09:49.10 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 09:49.15 | jnwhiteh | i ended up getting a dps spot |
| 09:49.18 | jnwhiteh | bizarre |
| 09:49.23 | foxlit | I queue as healer/dps |
| 09:49.29 | jnwhiteh | also sucks, since my dps gear sucks =( |
| 09:49.40 | foxlit | On the principle that even in my healer gear, I still do more damage than the average dps pug. |
| 09:49.41 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:50.04 | krka | good point zenzio |
| 09:50.08 | foxlit | Plus if it actually picks dps once in a blue moon, I don't actually have to care about people standing in fires. |
| 09:50.27 | nevcairiel | i queue tank/heal, its always a surprise what i get |
| 09:51.25 | jnwhiteh | i like those roles |
| 09:51.31 | jnwhiteh | i tank on my dk.. every single time. |
| 09:51.35 | jnwhiteh | and i'm about 75/25 on my druid |
| 09:51.38 | jnwhiteh | heal/dps |
| 09:52.00 | krka | i am stuck with dps until i get better heal gear :/ |
| 09:52.07 | krka | and i never get much better heal gear from heroics |
| 09:55.32 | Kalroth | aww |
| 09:56.11 | Kalroth | sounds like someone doesnt want to heal! |
| 10:00.34 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 10:00.48 | Kalroth | Fails! |
| 10:01.06 | Wobin | DTK is fairly simple past Dred anyway |
| 10:01.19 | Wobin | you don't -really- need a tank, just someone with good aoe dps and plate |
| 10:01.36 | krka | bears dont have plate :P |
| 10:01.46 | Wobin | or a thick hide =P |
| 10:01.58 | Wobin | bears don't dig on dancing, either! |
| 10:02.02 | krka | does cuddly warm fur count? |
| 10:02.05 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wLHVjOos8Y |
| 10:04.02 | Kalroth | your warm fur counts, krka |
| 10:12.19 | Fisker | why would they do such a thing Shirik ? |
| 10:12.55 | Shirik | 4u2pn2 |
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| 10:30.07 | Fisker | but it's madness jnwhiteh |
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| 10:34.04 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 10:34.24 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49790#comments |
| 10:34.26 | jnwhiteh | worth enchanting? |
| 10:35.12 | Fisker | just enchant it with a cheaper version if you're not going to keep it for long |
| 10:35.21 | jnwhiteh | I dont know how long I'll keep it |
| 10:35.26 | jnwhiteh | not sure how much better there is =) |
| 10:36.10 | Fisker | but it's kinda silly btw |
| 10:36.31 | Fisker | They picked up my Nexus One and had it pretty much next to the airport in indianapolis |
| 10:36.56 | Fisker | now they've shipped it to cincinatti |
| 10:36.58 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 10:40.30 | jnwhiteh | I have the mats for +81 spellpower |
| 10:42.04 | Arrowmaster | so all i have to do is drive one hour and i can steal Fisker's nexus one? |
| 10:42.57 | Adys | Warning: Scorchio2 has 178 live timers. Surely that's not intended? |
| 10:43.01 | Adys | lol ^ |
| 10:43.12 | Adys | blizzard+winters chill, how i love thee |
| 10:45.34 | Fisker | you would if you could Arrowmaster |
| 10:45.53 | Kalroth | you wouldnt |
| 10:46.05 | nevcairiel | I need to drive 3 hours and i can kill Fisker and steal all his stuff |
| 10:46.15 | Kalroth | I'll pay for the gas! |
| 10:46.42 | nevcairiel | might be a bit longer with all this snow |
| 10:47.07 | Kalroth | I'll come shovel the road if you promise to put Fisker out of his misery! |
| 10:47.19 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 10:48.40 | nevcairiel | Adys: i like how we put in that warning for sucky addons =P |
| 10:49.30 | Fisker | why do you hate me so? :( |
| 10:49.54 | Kalroth | we dont hate you |
| 10:49.59 | nevcairiel | we love you enough to rescue you from your life of misery! |
| 10:50.04 | Kalroth | thats too strong a feeling for you |
| 10:50.21 | Kalroth | indifferent or dislike at best |
| 10:51.23 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: do you have like, a blog or something about your Nexus One? |
| 11:00.37 | Fisker | no Gnarfoz |
| 11:13.01 | Adys | blizzard should make battlegrounds a non-instanced, non-player limited zone |
| 11:13.13 | Adys | while keeping cross-server bg queues |
| 11:14.48 | mikma | jnwhiteh: poop? |
| 11:15.18 | jnwhiteh | ohai |
| 11:15.29 | mikma | i is home |
| 11:15.32 | mikma | for 1,5h |
| 11:15.49 | nevcairiel | Adys: would still need to be instanced if you want to combine cross-server people somehow |
| 11:16.13 | jnwhiteh | np |
| 11:16.15 | jnwhiteh | i'm good! |
| 11:16.17 | Adys | not really just duplicate the zone |
| 11:16.20 | Adys | like they did with arenas |
| 11:17.06 | Adys | but anyway theres no point now |
| 11:17.13 | Adys | and holy shit |
| 11:17.14 | mikma | jnwhiteh: wut? |
| 11:17.15 | mikma | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/8450385.stm?ls |
| 11:17.17 | Adys | i love deep freeze |
| 11:17.20 | jnwhiteh | nothing |
| 11:17.24 | jnwhiteh | ! |
| 11:17.25 | Adys | 17k crits |
| 11:17.49 | mikma | jnwhiteh: i hate you, i hate youuuuu |
| 11:17.54 | jnwhiteh | kkk! |
| 11:19.03 | Adys | http://mozillalabs.com/blog/2010/01/the-future-of-add-ons/ |
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| 11:19.32 | nevcairiel | i saw that, seemed interesting |
| 11:20.13 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/spot_the_dog.jpg |
| 11:20.25 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 11:20.34 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 11:20.44 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 11:20.52 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/yo_dawg_macgyver.jpg |
| 11:21.02 | Wobin | I wonder how many poodles were killed to make that rug =P |
| 11:21.23 | Wobin | mikma, I posted that already in the other channel =P |
| 11:21.46 | mikma | wobin: what about, http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/loyalty_dog.jpg |
| 11:22.27 | Wobin | aw =( |
| 11:22.42 | mikma | k, this was funny: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1_joker.jpg |
| 11:23.05 | Wobin | awesome look on his face |
| 11:23.28 | Wobin | although I dunno if it's not shopped =P |
| 11:23.29 | mikma | i wonder what was the result |
| 11:25.33 | Wobin | goddamnit |
| 11:25.39 | Wobin | I have Bad Romance stuck in my head |
| 11:25.46 | Wobin | from http://raraahahahromaromamagagaoohlala.com/ |
| 11:28.04 | mikma | wobin: hih |
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| 11:29.17 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh it's almost time to discuss shipping |
| 11:29.29 | Fisker | fu Wobin :( |
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| 11:43.20 | jnwhiteh | Why is thif flagged as enhancement in EG: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40063 |
| 11:43.26 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: ^^ |
| 11:43.51 | zenzio | well it is a rather enchanting mantle |
| 11:44.06 | jnwhiteh | Same with Tunic of Prejudice |
| 11:44.10 | jnwhiteh | seems anything with +haste gets 'enhancement' |
| 11:44.16 | jnwhiteh | which makes no sense considering its leather =) |
| 11:44.41 | jnwhiteh | or maybe they're not 'enchanted' |
| 11:44.45 | jnwhiteh | which is different from 'enhancement' |
| 11:44.57 | jnwhiteh | since my shoulders, cloak and chest aren't chanted atm |
| 11:45.13 | jnwhiteh | weird |
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| 11:54.28 | mikma | lola |
| 11:54.32 | mikma | lolz, lola! |
| 11:59.22 | Fisker | [12:58:56]Abedneum yells: Acknowledged, Branbronzan. Session terminated. |
| 11:59.22 | Fisker | [12:58:56]Brann Bronzebeard yells: You're right, I can come back to this later. I think it's time to see what's behind the door near the entrance. I'm going to sneak over there, nice and quiet. Meet me at the door and I'll get us in. |
| 11:59.22 | Fisker | [12:58:56]Abedneum yells: Acknowledged, Branbronzan. Session terminated. |
| 11:59.22 | Fisker | [12:58:57]Abedneum yells: Acknowledged, Branbronzan. Session terminated. |
| 11:59.26 | Fisker | we really wanted to skip it |
| 12:13.11 | Wobin | ... WoW collectable coins? |
| 12:13.16 | Wobin | >< |
| 12:13.27 | mikma | wat |
| 12:13.38 | Wobin | http://www.shopafx.com/woofwaalcoco.html |
| 12:14.00 | mikma | those are.. plastic? |
| 12:14.37 | Wobin | gold and sterling silver plated |
| 12:14.45 | Wobin | only $77! |
| 12:15.18 | mikma | woof |
| 12:16.28 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlS_Rnb5WM4 |
| 12:22.27 | mikma | wobin: f*ck you. i flew out of the world and died there because of that video |
| 12:22.42 | Wobin | ahah =) |
| 12:22.46 | Wobin | watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVxe5NIABsI&feature=channel then =) |
| 12:22.50 | Wobin | it's more suited! |
| 12:24.30 | mikma | haven't even seen that movie |
| 12:26.11 | Wobin | music is still good! |
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| 12:56.24 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZQknqX5DpU |
| 12:56.40 | mascondante | Shirik: VPC isn't completely sandboxed. Consider it to run in protected mode. It can interact with the host OS but only if you follow the rules setting it up. A virus can only infect your host OS in two cases: 1)through the virtual network via exploitation of services. 2) Through a file on a shared folder. In both cases an antivirus/firewall should prevent this. The best way I can put it is VPC interacts with the host machine ju |
| 12:56.41 | mascondante | st like it was a machine on your network. |
| 13:01.13 | mascondante | s/st/just |
| 13:02.49 | mascondante | ~ping |
| 13:02.50 | purl | ~pong |
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| 13:33.53 | Ancu | This sux |
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| 13:34.06 | Ancu | I get a day off, and what happens? WoW downtime |
| 13:34.58 | Adys | Glory of the Icecrown Raider |
| 13:34.58 | Adys | -> [Gloire à l'écumeur de raids de la Couronne de glace (10 joueurs)] |
| 13:35.19 | Fisker | no way |
| 13:36.14 | Ancu | You don't play on american servers do you adys? else you didnt just get that... |
| 13:36.28 | Adys | I'm european, for one |
| 13:36.33 | Adys | and I play on english servers |
| 13:36.49 | Adys | you know europe right |
| 13:36.54 | Adys | its the country on the opposite of america. |
| 13:39.02 | Kalroth | adys isnt a real european dont listen to him |
| 13:39.06 | Kalroth | he's a greek frenchy |
| 13:39.21 | Adys | you can talk you're like so far up the north its not even europe anymore |
| 13:39.31 | Kalroth | what the hell |
| 13:39.38 | Kalroth | scandinavia is the heart of europe |
| 13:39.56 | Adys | a heart is supposed to be warm and at the center |
| 13:40.04 | Adys | you're cold and retracted |
| 13:40.08 | Adys | guess which bodypart that is |
| 13:40.21 | Kalroth | the nose |
| 13:40.29 | Kalroth | the nose is often cold |
| 13:40.38 | Wobin | http://qdb.us/300291 |
| 13:40.39 | Adys | wtf are you doing with your nose to retract it? |
| 13:40.59 | Wobin | I can't even read that aloud without bursting into laughter |
| 13:41.11 | Ancu | lol |
| 13:41.18 | Ancu | wow.... |
| 13:41.36 | Ancu | yes I know where the euros are used |
| 13:41.46 | Adys | it was a joke Ancu |
| 13:41.47 | Adys | a joke |
| 13:41.53 | Adys | you guys know jokes in america right |
| 13:42.13 | zenzio | not a very good one |
| 13:42.18 | Adys | ur momma |
| 13:42.34 | Ancu | its yo mama, not ur momma |
| 13:42.40 | Adys | stfu n00b |
| 13:42.45 | Ancu | :P |
| 13:42.56 | Ancu | ~lart adys |
| 13:42.56 | purl | sends a legion of lawyers after adys's head |
| 13:43.08 | Adys | ~whalezero Ancu |
| 13:43.09 | purl | ACTION summons Hubert the Mathematician Whale to create a black hole aimed at Ancu's body through a powerful unhandled division by zero. |
| 13:43.41 | Ancu | ~lart adys |
| 13:43.41 | purl | whips adys with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 13:43.46 | Kalroth | Adys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTGKUwMegZ4 |
| 13:44.02 | Adys | Copenhagen - Lonely Planet Travel Video |
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| 13:52.35 | Ancu | So, lego universe, thoughts? |
| 13:53.56 | Fisker | fail |
| 13:54.37 | Ancu | my initial thought as well. |
| 13:54.58 | Ancu | but they could make it good |
| 13:55.05 | Fisker | i guess so |
| 13:55.14 | Kalroth | there are no scantly dressed females elves |
| 13:55.15 | Ancu | if they dont focus on making it for kids |
| 13:55.17 | Kalroth | hence fail |
| 13:55.19 | Fisker | i just don't see how important it is to make it an mmo |
| 13:55.26 | Kalroth | female* |
| 13:55.30 | Fisker | other than milking people from subscription fees of course |
| 13:55.31 | Ancu | no |
| 13:55.51 | Ancu | I think that would be going too far :P |
| 13:56.26 | Ancu | MMOs are the new fad |
| 13:56.26 | Ancu | everyone has seen how good WoW is doing and they all want a piece of the pie |
| 13:57.14 | zenzio | MMOs were a fad before WoW too, it's just worse now |
| 13:59.22 | Fisker | haha fail @ Fringe |
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| 13:59.46 | Ancu | ... |
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| 14:07.21 | Kalroth | Adys: noir noir noir, noir BLANC!! |
| 14:09.41 | Fisker | slaps Kalroth around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:09.48 | Kalroth | :( |
| 14:10.12 | Thunder_Child | hah, you made adys quit |
| 14:10.38 | Ancu | is there like a /trout command I don't know about? |
| 14:10.56 | olafski | /slap usually |
| 14:10.57 | olafski | slaps a large trout around a bit with ancu |
| 14:12.03 | Ancu | unknown command, must be spasific to client |
| 14:12.16 | olafski | yer |
| 14:12.27 | olafski | I only know mirc has it.. dunno about my client |
| 14:13.04 | Ancu | Im useing pidgin olafski |
| 14:13.15 | Cairenn | pidgin doesn't |
| 14:13.20 | Ancu | It has no bells or whistles |
| 14:13.38 | Cairenn | it's an mirc command, been there since Christ was a Corporal |
| 14:13.42 | Ancu | Which is fine, because I dont want another program |
| 14:14.08 | Ancu | XD I like that one |
| 14:16.14 | olafski | I just made it as a macro.. pidgin blegh :P |
| 14:17.22 | Ancu | hey, i use pidgin so I dont have to use another program |
| 14:17.36 | olafski | yes you've explained it |
| 14:17.39 | olafski | dialup and all |
| 14:17.51 | Ancu | if I was serious about macros and bots and such, I would get mirc |
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| 14:18.05 | olafski | interesting choice ;) |
| 14:18.11 | Ancu | acctualy, dialup has nothing to do with it |
| 14:18.37 | Ancu | I have used mirc in the past |
| 14:18.45 | Fisker | slaps Lunessa around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:18.55 | Ancu | had a bot that told fortuens |
| 14:18.57 | Fisker | grocery store |
| 14:19.26 | Ancu | ...have fun |
| 14:19.47 | Lunessa | puts Fisker into a metal bin, and fires it on a low-fuel trajectory into the Sun. |
| 14:20.24 | Ancu | YAY! no more fisker :P |
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| 14:20.57 | Ancu | wb adys |
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| 14:21.44 | Adys | needs a new router |
| 14:22.17 | Fisker | what makes you say that Ancu |
| 14:22.26 | Ancu | so, when I log in, does it show my email? |
| 14:22.37 | Ancu | say what fisker? |
| 14:22.46 | Fisker | "no more fisker" |
| 14:23.07 | Ancu | (09:19:54) ***Lunessa puts Fisker into a metal bin, and fires it on a low-fuel trajectory into the Sun. |
| 14:23.30 | Kalroth | mmm, fried fisker |
| 14:23.41 | Ancu | lol |
| 14:24.04 | Fisker | you presume that i would die from it Ancu? |
| 14:24.20 | Ancu | If your human |
| 14:24.27 | Ancu | >.> |
| 14:24.39 | Fisker | i am a god |
| 14:24.52 | Adys | Yes! YOU ARE A GOD! |
| 14:24.57 | Fisker | sweet |
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| 14:25.10 | Fisker | in b4 i don't exist |
| 14:25.14 | Ancu | sure sure, want me to make a golden calf moddled after you? |
| 14:25.35 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 14:27.47 | Ancu | >.>=.=<.< |
| 14:30.50 | Ancu | <.<^.^>.>v.v |
| 14:31.12 | olafski | alright then |
| 14:31.26 | Ancu | chinpokemon oooooooh ^.^ |
| 14:31.59 | Ancu | ~lart dialup |
| 14:31.59 | purl | eats dialup and falls over dead |
| 14:32.22 | Ancu | -_- thats not all that insulting |
| 14:32.36 | Ancu | quite disgusting if taken the wrong way |
| 14:32.44 | Ancu | ~lart dialup |
| 14:32.44 | purl | squishes dialup like a bug |
| 14:33.04 | Ancu | meh, ill take it |
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| 14:41.08 | Fisker | http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DHK973 |
| 14:41.13 | Fisker | gogogo |
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| 14:42.59 | Ancu | damn dialup! third time i have had to start this download over |
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| 14:55.35 | Fisker | you got little over an hour left Arrowmaster |
| 14:58.52 | olafski | what download is that? and is it perhaps time to start using a download manager? ;) |
| 15:06.20 | Fisker | huh olafski? |
| 15:12.38 | olafski | that was meant for ancu |
| 15:16.59 | Ancu | oh, im using curse client, and Im downloading the latest version of healbot, and do you have a DM that you can recomend for non wow related downloads |
| 15:18.01 | Ancu | d/l did finish btw |
| 15:18.12 | olafski | hm. I used to use getright, that's the only one I know |
| 15:18.31 | olafski | if it's a big addon and keeps disconnecting you could manually get the addons using a DLM ;) |
| 15:18.39 | olafski | dunno if getright is any good compared to alternatives though |
| 15:18.43 | Ackis | olafski: I finished NBA 2k6 in 20 minutes last night. I got a message saying "You've earned 5 achievements for 1000 points" |
| 15:18.59 | olafski | ackis: lol, just a tad harder than Avatar then :) |
| 15:19.03 | olafski | are you getting Serious Sam HD? |
| 15:19.14 | Ancu | its not a mater of dcing, it just keeps quiting part way through |
| 15:19.25 | olafski | hm |
| 15:19.53 | olafski | ackis: also, wtf? xbox360achievements.org lists 12 achievements for that game, not 5 oO |
| 15:20.16 | olafski | no wait I was looking at nba live 2k6 |
| 15:22.40 | Ancu | thats alright, mom said shes getting high speed next check anyway |
| 15:22.45 | Ackis | olafski: 2k6? |
| 15:22.57 | Ancu | the people from hussey are comming over tomarow |
| 15:23.08 | olafski | ackis: apparently there's an "NBA 2kX" series and "NBA Live 2kX" :) |
| 15:23.22 | Ackis | olafski: http://www.trueachievements.com/game.aspx?gameid=1432&gamerid=70054 |
| 15:23.23 | Ackis | yeah |
| 15:23.26 | Ackis | nba live == EA |
| 15:23.30 | Ackis | nba 2kx == 2ksports |
| 15:23.32 | nevcairiel | is the avatar game worth playing? |
| 15:23.33 | olafski | so you bought a game just for the points oO |
| 15:23.45 | Ackis | it was $4 |
| 15:23.48 | olafski | heh |
| 15:23.52 | olafski | alright :P excused |
| 15:23.58 | Ancu | 0_o realy? |
| 15:23.58 | olafski | gonna try ssam hd tonight |
| 15:23.58 | Ackis | avatar was $10 and I bought it heh |
| 15:24.04 | olafski | I hope it has splitscreen coop |
| 15:24.21 | olafski | but I think it doesn't.. bad idea :< |
| 15:24.41 | Ancu | avatar is worth watching in the thearters just to see the new 3d tech my machine will have before its finished |
| 15:25.02 | nevcairiel | i saw it in 3d cinema, was awesome |
| 15:25.07 | nevcairiel | wondering about the game, not the movie :P |
| 15:25.32 | Ackis | wrong avatar folks |
| 15:25.33 | Ackis | :P |
| 15:25.59 | olafski | ,) |
| 15:26.02 | olafski | haven't seen avatar |
| 15:26.05 | olafski | nor played either game :) |
| 15:26.19 | nevcairiel | its worth watching, really |
| 15:26.21 | nevcairiel | especially in 3d |
| 15:26.27 | Ackis | neither have I yet I have 1k/1k in it :P |
| 15:26.44 | olafski | ^^ |
| 15:26.47 | Ackis | i started playing oblivion last night and it put me to sleep |
| 15:26.53 | olafski | it can do that yeah |
| 15:26.54 | Ackis | ended up crawling up to bed at 8 pm |
| 15:27.13 | Ancu | the new 3d tech is awsome |
| 15:27.15 | olafski | haven't played my 360 for a while :< I'm kinda out of moneys for new games.. I'd like to get tropico 3, dante's inferno and bayonetta though |
| 15:27.35 | Ancu | your not using the stupid cardboard frames with colored lenses |
| 15:27.50 | Ancu | and the movie isnt gimmiky with it either |
| 15:27.58 | nevcairiel | polarized light wins :p |
| 15:28.01 | Ackis | I want to get darksiders but my next purchase will be ME2 |
| 15:28.05 | nevcairiel | its just plainly filmed in 3d |
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| 15:40.10 | Ackis | cool pic: http://i46.tinypic.com/2jb8tue.jpg shows the sun never setting up north |
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| 15:41.26 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:41.36 | Ackis | hai Fisker |
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| 15:44.18 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:44.22 | Fisker | can you stop me? |
| 15:44.34 | Ackis | yes |
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| 15:44.54 | Fisker | no |
| 15:45.43 | Ancu1 | SimpleFriends ver. Alph .02 |
| 15:45.43 | Ancu1 | Simple Friends is the new simpler way to monitor friends with a new Heads up display. |
| 15:45.43 | Ancu1 | This is still early Alpha, it looks bad but its functional we will be adding features to it later. |
| 15:45.43 | Ancu1 | Warning: Do not use if you have more that 15 friends, it will not show them all and will take up the entire screen. |
| 15:45.48 | Ancu1 | You call that functional? |
| 15:46.18 | Fisker | very! |
| 15:47.49 | Ancu | What do you guys use for a global friends liest |
| 15:47.51 | Ancu | list* |
| 15:49.02 | Fisker | your mother of course |
| 15:49.20 | Ancu | ~lart fisker |
| 15:49.20 | purl | takes fisker to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 15:49.31 | Ancu | hehehe |
| 15:51.17 | Ancu | HA! I found it! I thought I was going crazy....well, cray-ER. Player Notes |
| 15:51.21 | haste | friends with benefist |
| 15:52.07 | Ancu | Allows you to create and store notes about players and set a reputation level regarding how you feel about them. |
| 15:52.19 | Fisker | benefits ftw |
| 15:52.23 | Fisker | bah |
| 15:52.25 | Fisker | benefist ftw |
| 15:52.46 | Ancu | I dont think player notes does the global list, so I will be grabbing that also |
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| 15:59.31 | Ancu | wb jacob |
| 16:07.29 | Ancu | anyone try to see if wow is back up yet? |
| 16:08.45 | Ancu | guess its not |
| 16:13.20 | durhan | Ancu: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/compat.html is usually pretty up to date |
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| 16:24.56 | Gnarfoz | haste: FWB is broken :( |
| 16:27.36 | cogwheel | you might be a redneck if your new year's hangover lasts longer than your resolution |
| 16:28.29 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 16:30.18 | cogwheel | morning :) |
| 16:34.54 | Ackis | my brother had to get a couple blood transfusions over the weekend... I asked the nurse if he would start sparkling :P |
| 16:35.11 | cogwheel | barfs |
| 16:35.13 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 16:35.15 | Fisker | http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DHK973 |
| 16:35.42 | cogwheel | lolwut? |
| 16:36.04 | Ackis | Fisker wants to be a terrorist! |
| 16:37.17 | Fisker | plays a game of terrorball |
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| 16:37.44 | haste | Gnarfoz: FWB? |
| 16:37.51 | haste | Gnarfoz: how is it broken :p ? |
| 16:40.07 | Fisker | Arrowmaster is too late |
| 16:41.34 | Fisker | giev new armory today btw |
| 16:42.44 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5445780/mia-writes-song-inspired-by-three+hour-verizon-tech-support-call |
| 16:42.44 | Lopeppeppy | No armory for jooo. |
| 16:43.27 | Fisker | armory for me |
| 16:43.43 | Gnarfoz | haste: it's not removing friends :< |
| 16:45.58 | Thunder_Child | hah, this is amazing, and sadly true http://gizmodo.com/5445812/why-i-believe-printers-were-sent-from-hell-to-make-us-miserable |
| 16:46.51 | DJJeff | http://www.faqs.org/faqs/faqs/about-faqs/ |
| 16:46.56 | durcyn | anyone who buys an inkjet is sadly misinformed or worse, outright stupid |
| 16:46.57 | DJJeff | ^^^ - for true noobs |
| 16:53.13 | Ginji | I don't see the issue with printers |
| 16:53.24 | Ginji | I have one, I have no issue with it |
| 16:53.29 | Ginji | Then again, I don't use it either |
| 16:53.52 | Ginji | I laugh in the face of my teachers who request a printed document! |
| 16:58.18 | kdtresh | i used the same laserjet 4 with the same toner from like 1997 to 2009 |
| 16:59.40 | nevcairiel | you dont print much, eh |
| 17:00.06 | kdtresh | not a terrible amount, no |
| 17:00.28 | kdtresh | though it did make it through 4 years of university without breaking a sweat |
| 17:00.29 | nevcairiel | i used to print learning material for university as i hate reading that on screen |
| 17:00.39 | nevcairiel | which was quite alot of paper |
| 17:01.17 | nevcairiel | its my 3rd toner in .. hm .. 5 years i think |
| 17:02.41 | Lopeppeppy | Reminds me, I need to actually hook up my printer, omg. |
| 17:05.01 | Fisker | btw WobWork |
| 17:05.03 | Fisker | hot? |
| 17:06.18 | Ancu | laser printers are nice, but damned expensice |
| 17:06.25 | nevcairiel | not that expensive tbh |
| 17:06.32 | Ancu | expensive* |
| 17:06.48 | nevcairiel | unless you want a color laser, they come pretty cheap |
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| 17:07.33 | Ancu | Realy? Last I know you where paying 50+ for ink |
| 17:08.00 | nevcairiel | a toner usually lasts significantly longer then an ink cartridge |
| 17:08.05 | Ancu | but then again, that was like 4 years ago, back when I was in high school |
| 17:08.05 | kdtresh | my boss gave me an hp 1200 laserjet that he got for 2 bucks at a garage sale |
| 17:08.07 | nevcairiel | so the comparison isnt that good to make |
| 17:08.25 | kdtresh | i looked up the toner, and it's 29 bucks for something like 2500 pages |
| 17:09.38 | Ancu | perhapse, I havent done any heavy research into it, but I know that short term, its cheaper to get an inkjet. And when all you can afford is short term, thats all that matters |
| 17:10.16 | Adys | Thunder_Child: http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/pigs/orgasm.png |
| 17:10.23 | kdtresh | if short term is within the lifespan of the starter cartridges in the injet, yes |
| 17:10.37 | kdtresh | but as soon as you add a set of replacement ink for the inkjet, you're close to a laser |
| 17:11.08 | Ancu | well, that is the short term, yes |
| 17:11.20 | kdtresh | short is relative though :P |
| 17:12.35 | Ancu | because when it comes time to replace the ink, what you gona do, spend 25 on a cartridge, or like, what is it, 100 dollars* for a laser printer |
| 17:12.35 | Ancu | *all numbers are poor estimates, not actual researched figures |
| 17:13.59 | kdtresh | i thought the comparison was between "getting an inkjet" and getting a laserjet, not buying a replacement ink cart vs buying a new laserjet |
| 17:14.01 | Thunder_Child | Adys: it's prolly an evolutionary response that humans can not do that |
| 17:14.10 | Thunder_Child | we would never do anything else |
| 17:14.43 | Ancu | Well, once you have the laserjet, the next short term decission comes when its time to replace the ing |
| 17:14.45 | Ancu | ink* |
| 17:15.21 | Adys | good laser printers are expensive |
| 17:15.35 | kdtresh | but decent ones can be found for cheap |
| 17:15.45 | kdtresh | the same can be said for inkjets |
| 17:16.54 | Ancu | wait...did you just imply good inkjets? I'm not stupid, theres a reason corprates tend to go with laser. Theres no such thing as a good inkjet |
| 17:17.32 | olafski | there's also a reason corporates use mainframes |
| 17:17.33 | kdtresh | i wish someone would tell our ceo that |
| 17:17.44 | olafski | doesn't mean there aren't any good pcs :) |
| 17:17.46 | kdtresh | she's on her 8th inkjet, i think |
| 17:18.08 | kdtresh | i asked if she ever actually printed anything in color, because a laser would probably be better |
| 17:18.16 | Ancu | kdrtesh: lol |
| 17:18.29 | kdtresh | and i was told that nobody was willing to ask her, because she didn't take kindly to questions |
| 17:18.34 | Ancu | kdtresh* |
| 17:18.42 | kdtresh | she wants to say "fix it" and have people fix it |
| 17:18.58 | kdtresh | maybe that's why i'm quitting, lol |
| 17:19.02 | Ancu | how do people like that get to be CEOs? |
| 17:19.07 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: have you heard anything about "toilet training" your cat? |
| 17:19.09 | kdtresh | i honestly don't know |
| 17:19.11 | Ancu | Stupid tards |
| 17:19.18 | kdtresh | she's left a wake of destruction in all the previous leadership positions she's held |
| 17:19.26 | kdtresh | and she's running this place into the ground |
| 17:19.29 | Ancu | lol |
| 17:20.43 | kdtresh | we've been moving people between offices since she laid another 40 people off right before christmas...AGAIN |
| 17:20.56 | kdtresh | i can't shake the feeling that it's like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic |
| 17:21.23 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I have a friend who's doing that with his two. He says one cat took to it very well, another isn't grooving on it. |
| 17:21.23 | Ancu | lol |
| 17:21.26 | KarlKFI|work | grr, history isn't long enough to see who pinged me |
| 17:21.35 | Lopeppeppy | If you don't have two toilets, it's kinda hard on the humans. |
| 17:21.43 | Lopeppeppy | is innocent of all pingination. |
| 17:22.06 | Ancu | I knew a cat who would use the toilet and flush |
| 17:22.24 | durcyn | KarlKFI|work: foxlit. 4 days ago. |
| 17:22.40 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I've heard that it could take a year to train at times, was thinking it might be useful |
| 17:22.45 | Ancu | I also knew another cat who at night would stand infront of a mirror and say "melllloooooooo" constantly. I hated that one |
| 17:23.00 | KarlKFI|work | that long ago? that doesn't make sense. it has to be int he last 28 hours ish |
| 17:23.10 | KarlKFI|work | er 18 hours* |
| 17:23.12 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, he's been working on his pair for about 4 months now. One is all set, the other just won't use the toilet without the trainer on. |
| 17:23.38 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: hmmm either way I think that'd be a decrease in litter over all |
| 17:23.59 | Lopeppeppy | Only if all cats will use it. If even one won't, the litter box still gets used pretty much the same. |
| 17:24.52 | Ancu | Damn! I hate tuseday more then I hate dialup |
| 17:24.58 | KarlKFI|work | >.< |
| 17:25.16 | KarlKFI|work | mmm teriyaki jerky |
| 17:25.22 | Ancu | ~lart Tuesday |
| 17:25.22 | purl | squishes Tuesday like a bug |
| 17:25.40 | Ancu | -_- why does it always do lame things when I do it |
| 17:25.58 | KarlKFI|work | ~lart Tuesday |
| 17:25.58 | purl | offers Tuesday some herring |
| 17:26.05 | KarlKFI|work | not just you |
| 17:26.08 | Lopeppeppy | Herring? |
| 17:26.14 | Lopeppeppy | ~lart Tuesday |
| 17:26.14 | purl | slams Tuesday against a large cement Tux |
| 17:26.22 | Ancu | Thats better |
| 17:26.23 | Lopeppeppy | I can live with that sort of beating. |
| 17:26.24 | KarlKFI|work | *boggle* |
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| 17:26.39 | Ancu | ~lart Tuesday |
| 17:26.39 | purl | blasts Tuesday to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 17:26.46 | KarlKFI|work | there we go |
| 17:26.54 | Ancu | whats a kamehameha? |
| 17:27.01 | KarlKFI|work | -_- |
| 17:27.07 | Ancu | what? |
| 17:27.09 | alestane | Some Dragonball Z thing. |
| 17:27.17 | Ancu | Oh, that |
| 17:27.25 | Adys | were you born under a rock, yesterday? |
| 17:27.34 | nevcairiel | you need to watch more relevant tv shows |
| 17:27.35 | Ancu | then it should be kame-kame-HAAAAAA |
| 17:27.46 | Lopeppeppy | Um, he was a Hawaiian king, IIRC... |
| 17:28.20 | Adys | ive known what a kamehameha is for something like 10 years and I've never, ever watched dbz |
| 17:28.24 | Ancu | I could never stand Dragon ball z |
| 17:28.29 | Adys | neither could i |
| 17:28.35 | nevcairiel | it was in default dragon ball too |
| 17:28.39 | nevcairiel | without z :P |
| 17:28.46 | Adys | there was a default dragon ball? |
| 17:28.48 | Lopeppeppy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_I |
| 17:28.56 | KarlKFI|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXcBFKtpVQ |
| 17:29.07 | Ancu | and I just never saw it spelt that way, thats all |
| 17:29.42 | Adys | "Keaweikekahialiʻiokamoku" |
| 17:29.59 | nevcairiel | hawaii has a funny language |
| 17:30.15 | Lopeppeppy | Says you. :P |
| 17:30.34 | Ancu | mahalo |
| 17:30.45 | Ancu | is that the right spelling? |
| 17:31.12 | Lopeppeppy | Of what? |
| 17:31.29 | Ancu | hawaiian recycle a words more times then any form of english |
| 17:31.48 | Ancu | mahalo, is that the right spelling for thankyou in hawaiian? |
| 17:31.57 | Lopeppeppy | Hawaiian is not a form of English. |
| 17:32.15 | Ancu | hence why I didnt say any other form of english |
| 17:32.36 | Lopeppeppy | mahalo is what I find listed. |
| 17:32.55 | Ancu | aloha has like a million different meanings |
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| 17:33.53 | Lopeppeppy | so does just about any word. If I say "good" in one tone, it means one thing. If I say it another way, it means another. Most languages are tonal that way. |
| 17:34.17 | nevcairiel | sarcasm is fun that way |
| 17:34.33 | Ancu | good realy means the same thing no mater how you say it. Its just used to imply diferent things depending on the tone |
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| 17:34.54 | Ancu | the meaning is still the same, even when said as a sarcastic remark |
| 17:35.12 | nevcairiel | the tone implies a different meaning |
| 17:35.15 | Ancu | the sarcasem simply imply that you do not mean what you say |
| 17:35.20 | Ackis | hehe it's now illegal to sell MS Office! :D |
| 17:35.23 | nevcairiel | so it means something else |
| 17:35.43 | Ancu | no, your tone does, not the word |
| 17:36.09 | Ancu | aloha literly has multiple meanings |
| 17:37.05 | Ancu | hello goodbuy i love you, its a contextual thing, not a tone thing. Therefore the actual word has multiple meanings |
| 17:37.30 | Ancu | good is still good, even if you are saying it to make it obvious that things are not good |
| 17:39.56 | Ancu | damn I want to play wow |
| 17:39.56 | Ancu | ~lart Tuesday |
| 17:39.56 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Tuesday until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
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| 17:41.45 | Kraps | hellooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 17:42.22 | Ancu | waves at kraps |
| 17:42.48 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: dont you mean rent? |
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| 17:43.13 | Lopeppeppy | I give up on Office, I totally give up. |
| 17:43.22 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: touche |
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| 17:45.07 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: openoffice then? :D |
| 17:46.40 | Ancu | wow...my pidgin is out of date |
| 17:46.46 | Ackis | http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/12/google-gdrive-launches-just-dont-call-it-that/ |
| 17:46.47 | Ancu | Ill have to update it on friday |
| 17:47.51 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, that's what I use at home. Work has regular office. |
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| 17:49.23 | Kraps | i could have gotten a hacked Office but meh |
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| 17:50.36 | Ancu | http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/ <Thats awsome |
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| 17:52.42 | Cide- | except for one thing |
| 17:52.46 | olafski | facebook sucks? :P |
| 17:52.56 | Cide- | who the hell uses facebook *chat*? |
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| 17:53.07 | olafski | oh ,) |
| 17:54.39 | Ancu | I hope this face book addon works |
| 17:54.46 | durcyn | why wouldn't it work |
| 17:55.06 | Ancu | third party |
| 17:55.11 | nicoli_s | i use facebook chat |
| 17:55.22 | nicoli_s | since most people i know are too lazy to get msn/aim/etc |
| 17:55.31 | Fisker | hey nicoli_s |
| 17:55.44 | nicoli_s | yar? |
| 17:56.05 | Ancu | lol, yeah, but I got face book chat via pidgin, thats awsome |
| 17:56.16 | nicoli_s | really? thats pretty cool |
| 17:56.48 | Fisker | http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DHK973 |
| 17:56.51 | Ancu | agreed, because trying to load those apps on dialup sux |
| 17:57.09 | nicoli_s | wtf is that fisker? |
| 17:58.41 | Fisker | it's a plane |
| 17:59.21 | Fisker | wonders how nicoli_s got along in life |
| 17:59.41 | nicoli_s | just fine, i just thought there was some reason for you posting it |
| 17:59.59 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker... no, no reason for him. :) |
| 18:00.11 | Ancu | ~lart fisker |
| 18:00.11 | purl | stamps fisker on the forehead with the official Troll marker |
| 18:00.23 | Fisker | it has my nexus one nicoli_s |
| 18:00.33 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 18:00.43 | Ancu | *slaps forehead* |
| 18:00.52 | nicoli_s | i still thought you were trying to scam jnwhiteh |
| 18:00.56 | Ancu | are you still going on about that? |
| 18:01.04 | nicoli_s | since you are always scamming me out of muh sc2 |
| 18:01.13 | Lopeppeppy | I thought I had the exclusive on trying to steal jnwhiteh's money. |
| 18:03.31 | Fisker | how do i steal jnwhiteh's money by giving him money? :o |
| 18:03.42 | Fisker | well i could always call my bank and tell them to do a chargeback |
| 18:03.42 | Fisker | hoho |
| 18:03.55 | kdtresh | i thought you were using him as a front for realdoll imports |
| 18:05.06 | nicoli_s | they had one of those in this novelty store i went in a while back |
| 18:05.07 | nicoli_s | so damn creepy |
| 18:05.08 | Thunder_Child | every time i read about a flaw or vulnerability with the nexus i think of Fisker and smile |
| 18:05.26 | Fisker | So you've smiled once? |
| 18:05.29 | Fisker | that sucks |
| 18:05.43 | Thunder_Child | more like 4 or 5 times |
| 18:06.14 | Fisker | nope |
| 18:09.32 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: one http://gizmodo.com/5445324/the-nexus-ones-3g-problem-pt-ii-the-damning-data and two http://gizmodo.com/5444514/smartphone-touch-screen-analysis-tests-finger-fidelity i'll get the rest later |
| 18:10.26 | Ancu | Wow, yahoo chat rooms are worse then they used to be |
| 18:11.38 | Fisker | Thunder_Child i don't believe people who can't properly read, a study based on a possibly flawed method |
| 18:12.29 | Dagmar | Ancu: You should have tried the old AOL chat rooms |
| 18:12.43 | Dagmar | You *used* to be able to get at them just by running AIM. |
| 18:12.44 | Lopeppeppy | "finger fidelity" makes me giggle. |
| 18:12.52 | Fisker | The Droid Eris [Nexus One] is actually the clear winner for edge performance â the signal tracks right off the edge of the screen very consistently. |
| 18:12.55 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: naughty |
| 18:12.55 | Dagmar | They were like falling into a deep pit filled with moldy phlegm. |
| 18:12.57 | Fisker | BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Thunder_Child |
| 18:13.00 | Fisker | BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 18:13.14 | Fisker | not that i find it any better |
| 18:13.43 | Kaelten | digmouse: to answer your question the oldest one was AllInOneInventory |
| 18:13.48 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, the worse my mood, the naughtier I am. |
| 18:13.49 | Ancu | It used to be you could find people accualy wanting to talk in the yahoo chat rooms. Now you just find people wanting porn, even in the gamer chat rooms |
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| 18:14.03 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
| 18:14.03 | Fisker | where are you? |
| 18:14.20 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: must be interesting to fight with you |
| 18:14.39 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not nice to fight with. I'm mean. |
| 18:14.54 | Ackis | holy shit, I just dropped some services/etc from my cable/phone/tv and the person I talked to didn't try to sell me anything or do anything sales related with me!!!! |
| 18:15.04 | Kaelten | oh he's not here |
| 18:17.33 | Fisker | sweet Ackis |
| 18:17.41 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, it was an alien. |
| 18:17.50 | Lopeppeppy | Check your bill carefully, there will be a call to Neptune next month. |
| 18:18.12 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: lol I was going to :P |
| 18:18.12 | Yssaril | Fisker: you happy? |
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| 18:21.10 | Fisker | about what Yssaril? |
| 18:21.18 | Yssaril | class filter |
| 18:21.48 | Fisker | i'm never happy :( |
| 18:22.15 | Fisker | btw no onyxia's lair in raids Yssaril |
| 18:22.29 | Yssaril | Fisker: no map for it |
| 18:23.12 | Dagmar | If you need a map for that one, you're playing the wrong game. |
| 18:23.23 | Fisker | aww Yssaril |
| 18:23.36 | Fisker | Dagmar maybe research what we're talking about first |
| 18:24.27 | Yssaril | Dagmar: there is a map for EoE which is as simple as dungeon layouts get |
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| 18:24.51 | Fisker | haha yeah |
| 18:26.19 | Fisker | where did Thunder_Child go? |
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| 18:26.29 | Fisker | did he go hang himself due to a lack of smiles? |
| 18:26.51 | Ancu | ~lart fisker |
| 18:26.51 | purl | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking fisker's head off |
| 18:27.10 | Ancu | *evil grin* |
| 18:27.33 | Dagmar | Yssaril: I dunno man, the ToC5 map baffled me until I saw the 10-man |
| 18:27.55 | Dagmar | "Who would need a map for one room, which is round and has no nooks or crannies to hide in?" |
| 18:29.04 | Ancu | lol |
| 18:36.53 | nevcairiel | at least the raids still have the cavern for anub |
| 18:37.41 | Ancu | I was planning on spending the entire day playing wow |
| 18:37.50 | Ancu | ~lart Tuesday |
| 18:37.50 | purl | follow's Tuesday with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 18:45.25 | Fisker | slaps robotusch around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:47.17 | Lopeppeppy | Ancu, you know it's Tuesday, why did you plan that? |
| 18:47.55 | Ancu | I didn't think about it, all I thought about was "Yay day off! I get to play wow!" |
| 18:48.26 | Lopeppeppy | This has caught you before, you know. |
| 18:48.44 | Ancu | I think so |
| 18:49.08 | Ancu | I always forget about tuesday |
| 18:50.32 | Ancu | im going to go constantly reload wow till I can get in. |
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| 18:59.01 | Ackis | you know, I'd love to see how many people off themselves if wow was down for a week |
| 19:00.14 | Lopeppeppy | Bad monkey |
| 19:00.30 | Ackis | interesting: http://bit.ly/4oiTiF |
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| 19:12.46 | Fisker | gentleackis |
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| 19:22.56 | Kraps | so now every tuesday we're gonna have " ooh today is F&F!!!" |
| 19:23.30 | nevcairiel | if everything works as planned, you wont know if it really hit :P |
| 19:23.51 | haste | lol wut :P ? |
| 19:23.54 | augustl | w00t, battle.net wow downloader didn't download latest version :O |
| 19:23.57 | augustl | waits for patch dl |
| 19:24.26 | Kraps | do they hgave do sign a NDA? |
| 19:24.38 | Kraps | s/g// |
| 19:24.48 | Lopeppeppy | I would assume so, Kraps. |
| 19:25.28 | Kraps | wonder what the penalty is for breaking it |
| 19:26.02 | alestane | "causing irreversible harm for which no adequate remedy exists," I think. |
| 19:26.17 | alestane | It's a legal clause that you see on a lot of NDA contracts. |
| 19:26.59 | Kraps | "no adequate remedy exists" |
| 19:27.11 | Lopeppeppy | Once the cat's out of the bag, there's no remedy. |
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| 19:27.50 | Kraps | so nothing happens to the person? |
| 19:28.04 | Lopeppeppy | Sue for damages, perhaps. |
| 19:28.07 | alestane | Which means that they can sue for damages, get injunctions, etc. to the greatest extent deemed reasonable. |
| 19:28.16 | foxlit | "But we will accept 10^10^10 USD." |
| 19:28.24 | Kraps | lol |
| 19:29.18 | alestane | Basically, by signing an NDA, you're agreeing that the other party can take whatever steps are necessary and reasonable to prevent you from doing any further damage to their interests. |
| 19:30.37 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, firstborn child! |
| 19:30.42 | augustl | I want to detect when the player has a HoT. Check UNIT_AURA, keep a list of spell ids? |
| 19:30.45 | Kraps | :O |
| 19:31.03 | alestane | augustl: Pretty mcuh. |
| 19:31.05 | alestane | much* |
| 19:31.08 | Fisker | cataclysm F&F started |
| 19:31.33 | augustl | so there's no "health is being incremented" or whatever you can check? I know that probably sounds silly =P |
| 19:31.37 | alestane | Now you see, if you actually knew that, you'd be breaking an NDA by telling us so. |
| 19:31.47 | Fisker | i wouldn't |
| 19:32.10 | cbreak | wonder if blizzard will fix the weekly-raid quest reset time in europe |
| 19:32.19 | cbreak | (asuming it is correct in the us :) |
| 19:32.30 | Fisker | never |
| 19:32.36 | Fisker | Blizzard doesn't care about EU people :( |
| 19:32.48 | haste | blizzard doesn't care about Fisker ! |
| 19:33.12 | Fisker | paladins doesn't care about haste |
| 19:34.11 | Ackis | I wonder if I'll get a crapaclysm invite even w/o an active accoint |
| 19:34.55 | durcyn | crapaclysm, you say. |
| 19:35.05 | Fisker | jealousy |
| 19:35.27 | Fisker | anyways in wotlk there were atleast people whining over login issues and so forth |
| 19:35.39 | Fisker | because their account wasn't active when they copied teh database |
| 19:36.11 | Ackis | ah |
| 19:36.20 | Kraps | crapaclysm? BURN THE HERETIC! |
| 19:37.05 | augustl | could someone shed some light on this? http://github.com/Shadowed/ShadowedUnitFrames/blob/master/libs/LibHealComm-4.0/LibHealComm-4.0.lua#L12 :) |
| 19:37.07 | Ackis | it sounds better than "pure and utter shit"? |
| 19:37.21 | augustl | seems like something is used on something in order to know that something is a hot :) |
| 19:37.41 | Kraps | Ackis: why would you say that? :(' |
| 19:37.47 | augustl | some kind of ID or tag you get on the event has some kind of semantics |
| 19:38.01 | Ackis | Kraps: that's what the game has become :( |
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| 19:38.35 | Fisker | 4 hours mr. Ackis |
| 19:38.49 | Kraps | Ackis: explain |
| 19:38.57 | augustl | perhaps i should just use LibHealComm. I want to show a warning for warlocks when they don't have full mana, have full health, and have a HoT on them. |
| 19:39.03 | Ackis | Fisker: 4 hours for what? |
| 19:39.42 | Fisker | mah flight |
| 19:39.50 | Ackis | Kraps: the game constantly is being rewritten... not just changed. Mechanics are being 100% changed, the game overall has become easier, etc... it's not my cup of tea anymore, and I don't think I miss it actually :P |
| 19:39.58 | Gnarfoz | <Fisker> cataclysm F&F started < liar |
| 19:40.12 | Fisker | i never lie Gnarfoz |
| 19:40.43 | augustl | nice! Seems like the sourceGUID of the COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED has these semantics in it. |
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| 19:41.07 | Kraps | "Mechanics are being 100% changed" for the better! |
| 19:41.08 | alestane | He deludes himself most of the time, but he doesn't lie. |
| 19:41.17 | augustl | http://github.com/Shadowed/ShadowedUnitFrames/blob/master/libs/LibHealComm-4.0/LibHealComm-4.0.lua#L2114 |
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| 19:42.12 | augustl | I'm glad someone else can understand bitwise operations, so that I don't have to.. |
| 19:42.49 | Ackis | Kraps: for the better is debatable, some yes, some no |
| 19:44.58 | Kraps | i dont think its becoming easier either, just more user friendly |
| 19:45.03 | Ackis | nah |
| 19:45.14 | Ackis | both |
| 19:46.06 | Kraps | i'll admit than you can get into heroics right at 80 in wotlk, couldnt in bc |
| 19:46.24 | Kraps | i was a sad tank back then |
| 19:46.36 | Ackis | I'm part of the small % of people that their decisions have alienated |
| 19:50.58 | Fisker | HELP ME |
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| 19:53.03 | Kraps | throws Fisker an anvil |
| 19:53.05 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 19:53.20 | Thunder_Child | shoots down fiskers nexus carying plane |
| 19:53.22 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
| 19:53.28 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker |
| 19:53.30 | Fisker | i was afraid you had hanged yourself due to impending ownage |
| 19:53.56 | kdtresh | i thought it was because of smiling |
| 19:53.58 | Thunder_Child | well if that was the case (and is stress IF) theb i would hang you |
| 19:54.05 | Fisker | http://i49.tinypic.com/25ioehl.png <-this is my kind of tank |
| 19:54.09 | Thunder_Child | s/is/i/ |
| 19:54.17 | Thunder_Child | then* |
| 19:54.19 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* |
| 19:54.26 | Fisker | well it is the case |
| 19:54.30 | Fisker | and i'm not hanged yet |
| 19:54.45 | Grum | Fisker: LAOLOAL U ARE SO POOR |
| 19:54.56 | Fisker | yes |
| 19:55.08 | Fisker | as you can see from the saronite bombs i leveled engineering without mining |
| 19:55.23 | Fisker | not to mention inscription |
| 19:55.54 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: whats a nexus? |
| 19:57.17 | Kraps | and dont say "a dungeon area in WoW' |
| 19:58.40 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: google phone |
| 19:59.14 | Kraps | i thought thats the android |
| 19:59.24 | nevcairiel | android is the OS |
| 19:59.50 | Kraps | oh |
| 20:00.29 | Fisker | Thunder_Child thought he would link me some fail news site that claimed that the iphone was awesome and the nexus one was fail |
| 20:00.48 | Fisker | little did he know that the nexus one was actually winrar and the test itself was retarded to begin with |
| 20:00.57 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: i never said the iphone was awsome |
| 20:01.39 | Fisker | i never said you said it was |
| 20:01.52 | Kraps | winrar wat |
| 20:02.00 | Fisker | i.e. winner |
| 20:02.11 | Kraps | eh |
| 20:02.20 | Fisker | you suck at internet |
| 20:02.22 | Fisker | that is all |
| 20:02.23 | NightHawkTheSane | speaking of phones, this is interesting: http://labs.moto.com/diy-touchscreen-analysis/ |
| 20:02.29 | Kraps | winrar is ugly but effective |
| 20:02.45 | Fisker | that's what Thunder_Child was talking about NightHawkTheSane |
| 20:02.50 | Thunder_Child | i catually want to try out the HD2 |
| 20:03.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker: oh? *shrug* didn't read up |
| 20:03.05 | Thunder_Child | actually( |
| 20:03.05 | NightHawkTheSane | i still think it's interesting. |
| 20:03.05 | Thunder_Child | ***** |
| 20:03.10 | Thunder_Child | sighs |
| 20:03.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't even say it says the iphone is strictly better than the nexus one either |
| 20:03.37 | Lopeppeppy | Why am I posting things from freakin' 1993? What. the. hell. |
| 20:03.51 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: ur keybord iz brokin |
| 20:04.04 | Thunder_Child | dont worry NightHawkTheSane, you would of had to read up about 2 hours |
| 20:04.08 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: more like my fingers |
| 20:04.47 | Kraps | ohh how? |
| 20:05.31 | cogwheel | needs an addon to autoignore anyone who puts "LFG" in trade channel... |
| 20:06.01 | cogwheel | or quest links |
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| 20:06.37 | Kraps | cogwheel: what, you thought people would start using the LFG channel? hah |
| 20:07.23 | Fisker | NightHawkTheSane the news Thunder_Child linked said this: "MOTO's test showed the iPhone tracking the most accurately of the four, with smooth, straight lines. The Motorola Droid fared worst of the bunch, its crossing lines tracking so jaggedly that the screen looked like a jigsaw puzzle. The Eris and the Nexus One landed somewhere in between." |
| 20:08.10 | Fisker | while of course not disclosing the half where it easily lost |
| 20:08.12 | zenzelezz | what's this? Biased articles on the intarwebs? You must be joking! |
| 20:08.20 | Fisker | i'm not joking! |
| 20:08.33 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: because i cant type worth a damn |
| 20:08.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker: that statement is fairly true, though |
| 20:09.08 | NightHawkTheSane | the iphone really only lost in edge tracking, and really only to the nexus one |
| 20:09.42 | NightHawkTheSane | and if you actually read the article its pretty clear that the differences between the iphone and nexus one are not that big. |
| 20:09.45 | Fisker | that depends |
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| 20:10.00 | Fisker | Because i find the test pretty bullshit to begin with |
| 20:10.20 | cogwheel | Kraps: more like i've never used the trade channel for anything until these last 20 points of enchanting >< |
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| 20:11.04 | Fisker | nevermind their discrepancy between video and photo not to mention that there doesn't seem to be enough similarity between the tests, and in real-world usage as well instead of just some blank drawing app |
| 20:13.12 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'll grant that the image and video were a bit too different, but they both had basically similar results, just different extremes. |
| 20:13.35 | NightHawkTheSane | but, er, there's really no better way to test/show that effect without using some blank drawing app |
| 20:13.50 | Kraps | enchanting is great |
| 20:14.12 | Kraps | i'm flooded with mats |
| 20:15.34 | Kraps | and dont have to pay for abyss crystals |
| 20:15.47 | Kraps | and i can sell em |
| 20:15.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker: and, regardless, it shouldn't be taken as conclusive proof that the iphone is strictly better, or that any other phone is strictly worse, it's just a single measure. something factored in to a decision about what makes a phone something you want to purchase |
| 20:16.13 | Fisker | i wasn't saying that anyways |
| 20:16.22 | Fisker | i'm just having a hard time taking that test seriously |
| 20:16.49 | Fisker | maybe when i have the Nexus One myself i can see for myself |
| 20:17.03 | Thunder_Child | if anyone is interested in the STO open beta http://www.massively.com/2010/01/12/star-trek-online-open-beta-key-giveaway/ |
| 20:17.11 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds more like you're trying to dimiss the entire test based on a few doubts and a desire to discredit the iphone :P |
| 20:17.40 | Fisker | not at all |
| 20:18.29 | Fisker | thanks Thunder_Child ;3 |
| 20:18.45 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: that thing doesnt work <.< |
| 20:18.49 | Fisker | hmm |
| 20:18.53 | Fisker | the link doesn't :( |
| 20:18.58 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: i got 2 from it |
| 20:19.25 | nevcairiel | i clicked "get key" and got a blank page |
| 20:19.31 | Fisker | oh my |
| 20:19.31 | nevcairiel | second try says "no moar keys for you" |
| 20:19.32 | Fisker | a torrent |
| 20:19.41 | Fisker | i better represent their publishers and have it taken down |
| 20:19.47 | Thunder_Child | wow...they had 10,000 |
| 20:20.23 | Fisker | haha i managed to get one :o |
| 20:20.29 | Thunder_Child | and it was only up for 2 hours |
| 20:20.56 | nevcairiel | i'm trying again from my phones connection for another ip :P |
| 20:21.01 | Lunessa | needs a vacation. |
| 20:21.46 | nevcairiel | ah now i got one |
| 20:22.50 | Lopeppeppy | needs a vacation. |
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| 20:23.06 | Lopeppeppy | Ironically, I have Monday off, when everyone I want to hang out with is gone to a convention that i can't go to. *le pout* |
| 20:23.16 | Kraps_ | wtf |
| 20:23.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i want to be done with my vacation :( |
| 20:23.36 | Kraps_ | boss your connection is bad |
| 20:23.42 | Fisker | brrrs outside the convention...in the future |
| 20:24.09 | Lopeppeppy | I could have more vacation than I want starting next month, shouldn't complain right now. |
| 20:24.56 | Fisker | gives Lopeppeppy a Lego Universe alpha key |
| 20:25.18 | Lopeppeppy | Leggo my eggo |
| 20:26.45 | Adys | And now for something very slightly different |
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| 20:32.00 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 20:32.45 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik |
| 20:33.14 | laumonier | is this here to ask help for wow generality? |
| 20:34.07 | Lopeppeppy | More for addons, but we might be able to answer your question. |
| 20:34.13 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 20:34.14 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 20:34.38 | cogwheel | something about "they'll be glad to help" always struck me as a bit sarcastic |
| 20:34.40 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 20:34.42 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 20:34.46 | alestane | Thunder_Child: I'd say that asking if he's in the right place is slightly different than that, but anyway. |
| 20:35.26 | cogwheel | like it's meant to be followed by "unless it's a stupid question" |
| 20:35.35 | Thunder_Child | alestane: how would you know unless you asked your quesiton though |
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| 20:35.58 | laumonier | i have problem to launch wow on ubuntu could you help me or not? |
| 20:36.26 | cbreak | WoW's a mac os program, or a windows program. You won't get it to run on linux without some kind of trickery |
| 20:36.40 | taurdoc | use wine |
| 20:36.40 | laumonier | yy i know i have wine but |
| 20:36.46 | Thunder_Child | wine is trickery? |
| 20:36.54 | laumonier | it freeze at the launch of the game |
| 20:36.59 | cbreak | yes, it is |
| 20:37.06 | cbreak | it pretends to be win32 api |
| 20:37.09 | cbreak | but it's wine |
| 20:38.05 | cogwheel | doesn't pretend to be win32 api, it *IS* win32 api... it's pretending to be Windows though, by implementing said api ;) |
| 20:38.11 | cogwheel | </Pedant> |
| 20:38.20 | laumonier | the window freeze |
| 20:38.20 | laumonier | i think this is link to my fucking ati video card but i havent found any solution on the internet |
| 20:38.59 | Thunder_Child | there arent that many people that use wine |
| 20:38.59 | cogwheel | I know there are a few people in here who run wow on wine, but whether they're around might be hit-or-miss |
| 20:39.04 | Thunder_Child | i think kd3 does |
| 20:39.10 | cogwheel | you may have better luck on a wine-specific forum/channel |
| 20:39.19 | Thunder_Child | and one of our aussies i think |
| 20:39.43 | laumonier | noone have had the same problem? |
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| 20:40.00 | taurdoc | i run wow in wine and so does my g/f |
| 20:40.24 | Torhal | I run WoW on Wine as well. but I'd never use an ATI card on Linux. |
| 20:40.29 | taurdoc | same |
| 20:40.51 | laumonier | ok im going to looking for a wine channel ty |
| 20:41.22 | cogwheel | gl |
| 20:42.46 | laumonier | y it will be hard i think |
| 20:43.00 | laumonier | i want to play im so sads |
| 20:43.15 | Kraps | get windows |
| 20:43.21 | Kraps | <.< |
| 20:43.28 | Kraps | >.> |
| 20:48.41 | cogwheel | gonna have to second that |
| 20:52.21 | Adys | laumonier: join #winehq for wine discussions |
| 20:52.26 | Adys | but ati on linux you're screwed |
| 20:52.39 | Fisker | s/on linux// |
| 20:52.49 | Kraps | haha |
| 20:52.56 | nevcairiel | well especially on linux :p |
| 20:53.15 | Kraps | nvidia is just more awesome :p |
| 20:58.29 | alestane | Shirik: How much do you know about the internal implementation of Lua? |
| 20:58.42 | Shirik | depending on what part, a decent amount |
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| 20:59.58 | alestane | I'm interested in the possibility of creating a lua API function that would clone a closure, creating a new closure object with the same code and upvalues. Where would I look to get started? |
| 21:00.21 | Shirik | hm |
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| 21:01.26 | Shirik | I'll have to review the source before I can answer that question, but it should be as simple as keep the same compiled code and make sure you keep the upvalues in the same order |
| 21:01.32 | Shirik | the upvalues are just accessed by index |
| 21:01.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:01.39 | ScytheBlade1 | we have an email autoresponder autoresponding to itself |
| 21:01.51 | ScytheBlade1 | +1kb every time |
| 21:02.01 | cogwheel | lolnubs |
| 21:02.01 | alestane | Similar to the way you can run a function constructor multiple times and get multiple closures, but starting from an existing closure in this case. |
| 21:02.12 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Oops. |
| 21:02.26 | Shirik | right, but you don't have a constructor in this case :) |
| 21:02.30 | ScytheBlade1 | kinda win |
| 21:02.33 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:02.34 | alestane | How long before it evolves into a malevolent machine intelligence and subjugates the internet? |
| 21:02.34 | Shirik | but you should be able to copy the compiled code |
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| 21:02.50 | Fisker | Thunder_Child |
| 21:02.54 | Fisker | you shot down my plane :( |
| 21:02.58 | Fisker | http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DHK973 |
| 21:03.17 | alestane | I'm not even sure you need to copy it. My understanding is that multiple closures from the same constructor actually share bytecode. |
| 21:04.01 | alestane | AIUT, a closure basically equals "code + upvalues + environment." |
| 21:04.29 | alestane | But then, I haven't dug into the implementation yet. |
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| 21:16.45 | Adys | "tamable" or "tameable"? |
| 21:18.15 | alestane | Shirik: Looking at lobject.h, it looks like it's probably as easy as copying a struct. |
| 21:18.27 | Kraft | tameable |
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| 21:18.39 | alestane | tameable (sp) |
| 21:18.39 | batbot | alestane, tameable is correct. |
| 21:18.42 | Shirik | that sounds right, alestane, I just didn't know what field it was |
| 21:18.51 | Adys | tamable (sp) |
| 21:18.51 | batbot | Adys, tamable is correct. |
| 21:19.00 | Adys | :P |
| 21:19.12 | alestane | There's a union in lobject called Closure, fittingly enough. |
| 21:19.37 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: In my school's infinite wisdom, I have hit yet another roadblock |
| 21:19.42 | Shirik | Try to figure this one out |
| 21:19.49 | Shirik | SE_555_01DB - Course SE_555 prerequisites have not been started. |
| 21:20.15 | Shirik | Course Section NumberSE_555_01DB |
| 21:20.15 | Shirik | Prerequisites: None |
| 21:20.44 | Shirik | Just once I want to do an online registration without problems |
| 21:20.45 | Shirik | just once |
| 21:20.54 | augustl | is there any fancy config values I can set to minimize the load the 3d environment has on my system? I play on my PC, and code addons on my Mac. And I want the 3d env on my mac to use as little system resources as possible. |
| 21:20.59 | Lopeppeppy | SE_555_01 and SE_555 aren't the same, i bet there's a referral loop in there where it thinks it is. |
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| 21:27.28 | foxlit | just throttle the frame rate to like 1. |
| 21:28.42 | Adys | lua > 75*1720 |
| 21:28.53 | Adys | lua> 75*1720 |
| 21:28.53 | lua_bot | Adys: 129000 |
| 21:29.32 | Adys | there have been 129000 deleted threads the last 6 months on mmoc |
| 21:29.38 | augustl | how do you clear/empty a table? |
| 21:29.39 | Adys | thats threads, not posts |
| 21:29.48 | Adys | drop table mytable; |
| 21:29.58 | augustl | >< |
| 21:30.00 | Adys | actually, truncate table mytable |
| 21:31.46 | augustl | I guess setting all the keys to nil works |
| 21:34.14 | augustl | indeed it does |
| 21:35.17 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/01/experimentation_how_tough_are.php |
| 21:35.19 | mikma | is it just me |
| 21:35.25 | mikma | or is that voice hideous? |
| 21:36.57 | Fisker | lol wtf |
| 21:37.00 | Fisker | "shadowstorm" |
| 21:37.03 | Fisker | weird damage |
| 21:37.19 | augustl | {"Renew", "Riptide", "Rejuvination", "Regrowth"} - those are the typical hots, right? Or did I miss something? |
| 21:37.27 | Ackis | Ackis |
| 21:37.30 | Ackis | he's hot |
| 21:37.31 | Ackis | IMO |
| 21:37.41 | Stanzilla | Lifebloom |
| 21:38.03 | taurdoc | wild growth |
| 21:38.11 | Ackis | I lifebloom with my fiance everynight! |
| 21:38.13 | Ackis | BOOM |
| 21:38.14 | augustl | thanks :) |
| 21:38.42 | mikma | Facepalm |
| 21:39.20 | Grum | Ackis: but you cant keep the stack up? |
| 21:39.29 | Ackis | ALL NIGHT LONG |
| 21:39.32 | Ackis | BOOM x 2 |
| 21:39.45 | Thunder_Child | http://kotaku.com/5446016/how-spider+man-4s-implosion-could-affect-warcraft-movie |
| 21:39.47 | Ackis | sometimes it drops off but I renew it again |
| 21:44.41 | Gnarfoz | augustl: clear a table in Lua? wipe() |
| 21:44.53 | foxlit | wipe is a wow invention. |
| 21:45.08 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: obvious, but he's writing wow addons, isn't he |
| 21:45.34 | augustl | wipe() is a global function? |
| 21:45.43 | augustl | is it implemented in C or lua btw? |
| 21:46.08 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: then "in WoW" rather than "in Lua" works better for your purposes :) |
| 21:46.36 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: if you'd care to read the scrollback, I said "in Lua" because Adys suggested SQL stuff to him before |
| 21:46.38 | alestane | augustl: _G.wipe == table.wipe. This function is part of WoW's custom Lua environment and is implemented in C AFAIK. |
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| 21:47.35 | Gnarfoz | (had I said "in WoW" someone would probably have come forward and exploited the loophole that "but WoW doesn't have SQL!!1" ^^) |
| 21:47.35 | Arrowmaster | try /print string.dump(wipe) |
| 21:47.57 | alestane | Thunder_Child: Glancing at that article I'm amused to see the first few comments saying things like "thank goodness that franchise is dying" and "I feel bad for warcraft fans cause he's gonna make that movie a steaming pile." |
| 21:48.34 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: errors. :D |
| 21:48.38 | Adys | I see what you're trying to do and I raise you a double, Gnarfoz |
| 21:48.42 | Arrowmaster | then its in C |
| 21:48.55 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: aha? oO how's that work? |
| 21:49.08 | Gnarfoz | Adys: check |
| 21:49.38 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: (because /dump wipe and /echo wipe (which is... Ace2's or Rock's printliteral() I think) both work) |
| 21:49.48 | foxlit | Lua cannot dump functions not implemented in Lua, basically. |
| 21:49.52 | foxlit | string.dump is not /dump |
| 21:49.58 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 21:50.02 | Gnarfoz | ~pil |
| 21:50.03 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 21:50.08 | Arrowmaster | !api string.dump |
| 21:50.09 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.dump' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.dump |
| 21:50.23 | Adys | Uhhh |
| 21:50.36 | Adys | string.dump can't dump any sort of function not implemented in lua |
| 21:50.50 | Gnarfoz | Adys: isn't that what he said? |
| 21:50.51 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:51.54 | Adys | i guess it is. |
| 21:52.09 | Adys | i thought he wanted to differenciate core lua functions and lua functions implemented by blizzard |
| 21:52.33 | Gnarfoz | nah, C vs. Lua |
| 21:54.18 | Adys | was the pilgrim title even attainable this year? |
| 21:54.22 | Adys | i dont see anyone wit it |
| 21:54.28 | Adys | s/it/ith/ |
| 21:54.30 | foxlit | Yes, it was. |
| 21:54.37 | foxlit | Who wants to be a Pilgrim, though? |
| 21:55.04 | Adys | More people than anyone wanting to be a matron |
| 21:57.12 | foxlit | Well, I have the title, at least. I don't think I've ever used it, but it's definitely doable. |
| 22:00.20 | foxlit | grr, Fisker. |
| 22:01.14 | foxlit | It's virtually impossible to get Doctor Who box sets in this place :( |
| 22:02.42 | Arrowmaster | ugg i just turned on my old computer and it got so much louder in here |
| 22:04.10 | mikma | foxlit: try smashing it with your ugly face |
| 22:04.32 | foxlit | mikma: I don't see how that'd ever work. |
| 22:06.45 | mikma | foxlit: me neither, i just thought it would be fun to say it |
| 22:06.50 | Fisker | awww foxlit |
| 22:09.00 | ScytheBlade1 | so |
| 22:09.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.airnow.gov/ |
| 22:09.33 | ScytheBlade1 | GUESS WHERE I LIVE |
| 22:10.35 | Ackis | http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/44861 $500, $5k, $10k and $100k legal notes printed by the US (interesting read) |
| 22:10.35 | mikma | canada |
| 22:10.39 | durcyn | SBO: Earth |
| 22:11.32 | ScytheBlade1 | that red sploth to be specific |
| 22:12.14 | Ackis | haha ScytheBlade1 l2breath |
| 22:12.24 | ScytheBlade1 | *splotch |
| 22:13.49 | Fisker | omg |
| 22:15.02 | Fisker | took like 5 minutes to release my corpse, took 5 minutes at the instance portal to spawn (and get killed by alliance), took 5 minutes to release again, took 5 minutes at the graveyard as a semi-ghost, got zoned in to the instance again, which took 5 minutes, and i was dead after loading, and now i'm waiting for my corpse to release |
| 22:15.09 | Fisker | viscious circle |
| 22:15.58 | mikma | why is the *splotch there, did you fart again sbo? |
| 22:16.19 | ScytheBlade1 | something like that |
| 22:16.37 | durcyn | it's mormon gas |
| 22:16.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol? |
| 22:17.40 | ScytheBlade1 | afk driving |
| 22:18.27 | krka | hm, did something break on eu realms? i can't log in, stuck on the loading bar |
| 22:20.09 | Fisker | old |
| 22:20.12 | Fisker | cyclone is fucked |
| 22:20.17 | Fisker | or atleast ravencrest is |
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| 22:26.58 | Kraps | "BioWare Confirms Spring 2011 Release Window For The Old Republic" |
| 22:28.32 | Adys | ~wwquotes |
| 22:28.33 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowwiki/irc-quotes |
| 22:28.40 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 22:28.41 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 22:29.32 | Fisker | yawn Kraft |
| 22:29.35 | Fisker | Kraps* |
| 22:29.38 | Fisker | gonna suck anyways |
| 22:29.47 | Kraft | :o |
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| 22:31.46 | Arrowmaster | these noisy fans in my old computer are going to fucking drive me insane, i need to finish what im doing so i can turn the damn thing off |
| 22:32.53 | Fisker | you never stole my nexus one Arrowmaster |
| 22:33.02 | Fisker | and now you're too late since the flight crashed into the ocean |
| 22:37.46 | Adys | [Tue Jan 12 23:19:21 2010] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /var/www/sigrie/static/img/screenshots/item_51947.jpg/, referer: http://thottbot.com/ach4623 |
| 22:37.48 | Adys | whats with them |
| 22:38.00 | Adys | they're like the most present error in the entire log |
| 22:38.12 | Shirik | error from 127.0.0.1? |
| 22:38.42 | Shirik | you know what the fix is for that Adys? |
| 22:38.50 | Aelobin | hmm anyone know what the best levelling spec for shammies is in northrend levels? |
| 22:38.50 | Shirik | Make a rewrite rule so the trailing / is ignored |
| 22:38.55 | Shirik | no reason to fix it at the souce |
| 22:39.01 | Shirik | source* |
| 22:39.08 | Shirik | better to make convoluted spaghetti fixes |
| 22:39.18 | Adys | I suppose, apache is only responsible for the files in static/ |
| 22:39.48 | Adys | but |
| 22:39.57 | Adys | theres an apache module that is very nice with extensions |
| 22:40.09 | Adys | like you can ignore an extension altogether, or have the wrong one, etc |
| 22:40.10 | Kraps | Enter her twat like a bull |
| 22:40.28 | Adys | Wtfuck? |
| 22:40.35 | Kraps | spam wins |
| 22:42.03 | Kraps | Get hot in a while |
| 22:43.43 | alestane | The generators theyuse to come with with phrases intended to circumvent your spam filters can be amusing...I got one a while ago entitled "potion for perfect bouncing"... |
| 22:44.05 | Kraps | lal |
| 22:44.10 | bleeter | http://vimeo.com/7809605 |
| 22:45.12 | Kraps | Warning! Hazardous sale! Make your mechanism work! |
| 22:46.09 | Kraps | Show no mercy in drilling her |
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| 22:48.57 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwekc5qgVeA |
| 22:49.29 | |Jelly| | tackle-hugs Shirik! |
| 22:49.37 | Shirik | pokes |Jelly| |
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| 22:49.44 | Fisker | hugtackles |Jelly| |
| 22:49.52 | |Jelly| | Oof! |
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| 22:50.59 | Gnarfoz | but Fisker doesn't hug! |
| 22:51.21 | WobWork | no no |
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| 22:51.31 | WobWork | "Fisker -wouldn't-" (hug) |
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| 22:53.36 | Fisker | Yes i would |
| 22:53.52 | Fisker | Vote Fisker for 2012 elections |
| 22:54.02 | WobWork | you -totally- wouldn't =( |
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| 22:56.50 | taurdoc | \ |
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| 23:00.05 | Adys | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?wzone=4 |
| 23:00.10 | Adys | Undefined subroutine &WowQuest::wow_zone_link called at /mnt/sites/wow/WowQuest.pm line 429. |
| 23:00.19 | Adys | Allkahazadlaassoadinperl |
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| 23:11.54 | Kraft | wb |
| 23:12.13 | Shirik | I love Repo |
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| 23:12.30 | Shirik | I don't understand wtf he could possibly be doing that kicks him off every time a netsplit occurs |
| 23:13.21 | durcyn | it's just a supybot, too, not like it's some complicated custom shit |
| 23:14.28 | Shirik | like Shiibot |
| 23:14.31 | Shirik | wait where the hell is he |
| 23:14.38 | Shirik | oh I forgot to restart him after the server rebooted :/ |
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| 23:16.03 | Shirik | Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the |
| 23:16.03 | Shirik | universe are pointed away from Earth? |
| 23:16.03 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@heresiarchguild ~ $ |
| 23:16.18 | Shirik | imo, because that's the only direction it could be in |
| 23:16.27 | Shirik | god knows there's none here |
| 23:18.06 | cbreak | got does not exist |
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| 23:19.23 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 23:19.39 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 23:19.44 | Fisker | hey |
| 23:19.47 | Shirik | hey |
| 23:19.50 | Shirik | sup |
| 23:19.54 | Fisker | nothing |
| 23:19.55 | Fisker | sup |
| 23:19.58 | Shirik | jcjc |
| 23:21.20 | Fisker | i'm missing 9 Primordial Saronite now |
| 23:21.40 | Shirik | kbye |
| 23:21.44 | Fisker | no! |
| 23:21.54 | Jerub | Fisker: i ate them |
| 23:22.14 | Fisker | no |
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| 23:23.00 | Jerub | i need more 80s. |
| 23:23.03 | Jerub | so i can farm frost |
| 23:23.10 | Jerub | so i can farm primordial saronite. |
| 23:23.13 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 23:23.46 | Cloudwolf | would any one tell me why this doens't prevent the addon from spamming a ton? http://www.pastey.net/131387 |
| 23:25.03 | Fisker | in 10 minutes my Nexus One should be in the UK |
| 23:25.10 | durcyn | because you're doing an if instead of a while, Cloudwolf |
| 23:25.31 | bleeter | would prefer a Nexus Six |
| 23:25.35 | Cloudwolf | uh? |
| 23:25.56 | Cloudwolf | if isn't a loop and while is so do you mean im doing for instead of while? |
| 23:26.00 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.06 | Mikk | and spam=0 |
| 23:26.09 | Mikk | so yes it will spam |
| 23:26.23 | Fisker | old bleeter |
| 23:26.28 | durcyn | you're doing a for inside an if, you need to check the if inside the for, or do a while loop instead |
| 23:26.37 | durcyn | the ifcheck only happens once in your paste |
| 23:27.35 | Cloudwolf | ima try with out that old failure at an attempt to prevent spam |
| 23:28.37 | durcyn | move lines 7 and 8 inside the 10-18 loop |
| 23:29.20 | cbreak | oh man, that's ugly code |
| 23:30.00 | durcyn | you pretty it for him if you like, all he asked is where his logic was wrong =P |
| 23:30.22 | cbreak | too tired to try to understand it |
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| 23:30.39 | Cloudwolf | well hmm annoying i tried rmeoving the spam part of the function as i thought checking the lastdebufs and the current debufs would suffice... |
| 23:31.16 | cbreak | I wonder what a variable named "onoff" does |
| 23:31.29 | cbreak | or spam1 |
| 23:31.31 | Cloudwolf | its a manual toggle to turn off the check |
| 23:31.44 | Cloudwolf | spam was my first attempt to prevent spam but it didn't work and i was lazy enough to not remove it |
| 23:31.56 | cbreak | wouldn't it be better to just unregister the event in that case? |
| 23:32.17 | cbreak | and you could use booleans :) |
| 23:32.28 | Fisker | zomg |
| 23:32.35 | Fisker | teh plane has landed |
| 23:32.48 | Cloudwolf | It may be but atm i don't want to deal with that... |
| 23:33.19 | Cloudwolf | right now i want to fix the spam problem and im trying to figure out why its spamming even when i check a table that i set to the last found debufs to try and prevent it from spamming the message again... |
| 23:33.47 | Cloudwolf | if you ignore the spam variable from it just huck out that entire part of it i don't see why it sitll fails to not spam. |
| 23:34.16 | cbreak | with spam you mean... |
| 23:34.23 | cbreak | repeat the same message several times? |
| 23:34.30 | Cloudwolf | with if debufnames[name]==true and not lastcheck[name] then |
| 23:34.36 | durcyn | and the reason you're using UNIT_AURA instead of CLEU / SPELL_AURA_APPLIED is...? |
| 23:34.38 | Cloudwolf | correct repeat the same message serveral times |
| 23:34.56 | Cloudwolf | Because when looking for the api to use UNIT_AURA was the one that kept cropping up |
| 23:35.12 | durcyn | those docs probably predate 2.4 |
| 23:35.36 | Cloudwolf | i was using wowwiki |
| 23:35.45 | durcyn | wowwiki predates 2.4 =P |
| 23:35.58 | Cloudwolf | so your saying it doesn't get updated? |
| 23:36.03 | cbreak | what is your semantic for curdebuff? |
| 23:36.06 | Cloudwolf | i wasn't looking at tutorials |
| 23:36.07 | durcyn | your way isn't wrong, but the other might be easier to deal with if you're only looking for specific auras |
| 23:36.10 | Cloudwolf | i was looking for flat api to impliment |
| 23:36.20 | durcyn | uh, yeah, it's a wiki. it only gets updated when someone feels unlazy |
| 23:36.30 | Cloudwolf | let me upload the entire code i cut out 1 table with a bunch of names |
| 23:36.56 | Cloudwolf | http://www.pastey.net/131388 |
| 23:36.59 | Cloudwolf | if you want even more stuff to weed through |
| 23:37.10 | cbreak | I don't see why it shouldn't spam |
| 23:37.42 | Cloudwolf | if debufnames[name]==true and not lastcheck[name] then |
| 23:37.58 | Cloudwolf | but my logic is prolly failing me |
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| 23:38.37 | durcyn | oddly enough, i have no desire to weed through it |
| 23:39.03 | cbreak | sorry, what were you thinking? |
| 23:39.30 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Roflcoptter <-this may be the best tank out there |
| 23:39.33 | cbreak | you make a table just to store a single element as map? |
| 23:39.50 | Cloudwolf | nvm fixed it me thinks |
| 23:40.04 | Cloudwolf | i wasn't breaking my loop |
| 23:40.07 | Cloudwolf | when it fires once |
| 23:40.35 | cbreak | break :/ |
| 23:40.47 | cbreak | you must love spagghetti :) |
| 23:40.51 | Shirik | what? |
| 23:40.54 | Shirik | Since when do we need this |
| 23:41.08 | Shirik | "Some players may find one of the missions disturbing or offensive. Would you like to have the option to skip this mission?" |
| 23:41.27 | Cloudwolf | talking about mw2? |
| 23:41.29 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:41.38 | Cloudwolf | cus you go in to an airport and kill random civilians |
| 23:41.45 | Stanzilla | since missions involve killing civilians |
| 23:41.45 | Cloudwolf | "might be offencive to some people"... |
| 23:41.46 | durcyn | Russia threatened to ban the game over the "No Russian" mission |
| 23:41.55 | durcyn | so rather than stop making money, they patched it |
| 23:42.00 | Arrowmaster | they didnt threaten, they did |
| 23:42.37 | cbreak | Cloudwolf: you might not be aware of it |
| 23:42.44 | Arrowmaster | and that warning was always in the game from before anybody even knew about the mission afaik |
| 23:42.45 | Cloudwolf | I probebly am not aware of it |
| 23:42.57 | cbreak | but your curdebuff and lastcheck variables |
| 23:43.05 | cbreak | are shared among the people in your group |
| 23:43.12 | cbreak | so if one doesn't have any debuffs |
| 23:43.15 | cbreak | it clears the list |
| 23:43.27 | cbreak | and the next time it finds all new debuffs on the guy who had debuffs all along |
| 23:43.34 | Cloudwolf | oh loveley thanks for that itll help lol |
| 23:43.35 | durcyn | gah. is google voice fucked for anyone else, or am I special |
| 23:43.49 | Cloudwolf | time to add sub sections to the table |
| 23:44.01 | cbreak | and... better names |
| 23:44.16 | Cloudwolf | blah blah define better |
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| 23:44.35 | cbreak | cammel case, long! :) |
| 23:44.58 | cbreak | and things that have something in comon should have a similar name |
| 23:45.09 | cbreak | like curdebuf and lastcheck |
| 23:45.12 | durcyn | name things in such a way that you can come back in a year's time and know what the fuck it is you're looking at. |
| 23:45.45 | cbreak | took me two or three mins to find the bug, with better names and indenting it would have been easier :) |
| 23:45.49 | cbreak | (and yes, I am tired...) |
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| 23:46.10 | cbreak | oh, by the way |
| 23:46.15 | Cloudwolf | how would you suggest i indent? i indent so ic an tell which end goes with what it needs to |
| 23:46.27 | cbreak | you call local uname,urealm= UnitName(arg1) 40 times per person every single time a debuff changes |
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| 23:46.35 | cbreak | if I was you, I'd call it once, at the start of the method |
| 23:47.18 | Cloudwolf | ty for that help also cbreak |
| 23:47.22 | cbreak | I leave the if on the same level as the code it's in, but indent it's block one unit |
| 23:47.28 | cbreak | when I write code |
| 23:47.32 | cbreak | same for all control flow |
| 23:47.48 | cbreak | that way it gets easier to spot block boundaries |
| 23:48.16 | cbreak | I only change indentation when block depth changes |
| 23:48.19 | Mikk | ^ |
| 23:48.23 | Mikk | that's what everyone does |
| 23:48.40 | Mikk | and luckily lua doesn't have curlies |
| 23:48.49 | Mikk | so we can skip the fight on where the curlies go and how they get indented :P |
| 23:49.05 | Cloudwolf | Mikk obviously not everyone does it if i didn't do it that way. |
| 23:49.31 | Cloudwolf | But i guess i shoudl get into that habbit as it sounds like a better method. |
| 23:50.57 | Grum | Cloudwolf: the only reason you ident is to easily identify code-blocks (if/else/do/while/function) so people usually only indent then (and about 95% of the people will be confused by random or no indentation) |
| 23:51.04 | cbreak | Mikk: I use the same rule for C/C++/Objective-C :) |
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| 23:51.34 | cbreak | I also indent for multi line function calls |
| 23:51.36 | Cloudwolf | I'm not saying i code properly or have it look anything like the standard. I was just pointing out that using the generilzation of "everyone" isn't true. |
| 23:51.41 | cbreak | or multi line if conditions |
| 23:51.48 | cbreak | but for obvious reasons, i try to keep those to a minimum |
| 23:51.50 | Grum | Cloudwolf: replace 'everyone' with 'coder' :P |
| 23:52.07 | Grum | cbreak: you could say the condition is a block in that case :) |
| 23:52.14 | Grum | doesnt *have* to be a closure :p |
| 23:53.42 | cbreak | Cloudwolf: if you would use boolean in onoff |
| 23:53.46 | cbreak | you could toggle it like this: |
| 23:53.54 | cbreak | onoff = not onoff |
| 23:54.13 | cbreak | and you could do if onoff then |
| 23:54.22 | cbreak | (but for obvious reasons, I'd call it either on, or off |
| 23:54.40 | cbreak | because then you know what true or false means without going through the whole code) |
| 23:54.58 | Cloudwolf | any way... yay for index field a nil value! |
| 23:55.24 | cbreak | yep |
| 23:55.25 | Cloudwolf | and it only happens on the first run and doens't seem to break anything |
| 23:55.35 | cbreak | because you of course don't have 40 debuffs :) |
| 23:55.37 | Grum | debufnames[name]==true can be replaced by simply: debufnames[name] |
| 23:55.47 | cbreak | it probably happens every time many many times |
| 23:55.54 | cbreak | but your bug catcher addon ignores repeats |
| 23:55.56 | cbreak | probably :) |
| 23:56.09 | Cloudwolf | swatter isn't showing up with mroe than once |
| 23:56.20 | cbreak | you do curdebuf[name]=true |
| 23:56.31 | cbreak | name will be nil I think, if you don't have that debuff |
| 23:56.36 | cbreak | and you don't have 40 debuffs |
| 23:56.57 | cbreak | (I would iterate with a while loop, not a for, but... :) |
| 23:58.05 | Cloudwolf | how would i itirate th while in this situation? while someresult ~= nil? but im nto sure how i woudl deal with the someresult... |
| 23:58.34 | NightHawkTheSane | If you had to translate "push" and "pull" into colors, what colors would you use? |
| 23:58.53 | Grum | NightHawkTheSane: more context? |
| 23:58.57 | cbreak | local name, rank, icon, count, debuffType, duration, expirationTime, unitCaster, isStealable, shouldConsolidate, spellId = UnitAura(arg1, k , "HARMFUL"); while name do -- stuff |
| 23:59.00 | Cloudwolf | apples and oranages? |
| 23:59.11 | cbreak | NightHawkTheSane: push is red, pull is green |
| 23:59.30 | cbreak | Cloudwolf: there are two things in lua that evaluate to false |
| 23:59.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Grum: i'm working on an encounter for my d&d game, ther's a room with sparks of energy crossing it, killing one kind does a push effect in the area, killing the other kind does a pull effect |
| 23:59.36 | cbreak | the first thing is nil. what's the second thing? |
| 23:59.41 | Cloudwolf | false |
| 23:59.45 | cbreak | correct :) |
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