IRC log for #wowuidev on 20100111

`00:00.04`	`Fisker`	`Web investigators start trawling wow site for active alpha/beta pages starting tuesday morning 10AM PST. very well hidden most probably.`
`00:00.08`	`Fisker`	`Pro-tip: Battle.net`
`00:00.10`	`Fisker`	`that is all.`
`00:01.28`	`WobWork`	`http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/11/2789384.htm`
`00:02.22`	`Fisker`	`hey WobWork`
`00:02.30`	`WobWork`	`hey Fisker`
`00:02.32`	`Adys`	`why ConstraintError Jerub / WobWork ?`
`00:02.53`	`Fisker`	`no WobWork :(`
`00:03.01`	`WobWork`	`imo, because the error in the related item should be handled by that item`
`00:03.14`	`WobWork`	`not by the calling object`
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`00:03.29`	`WobWork`	`so just a report that the related item has an error`
`00:03.31`	`Kraps`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418865478&sid=1`
`00:03.33`	`Adys`	`thats not actually possible`
`00:03.51`	`Adys`	`the item is never called. I only use its value in the foreignkey's to_python()`
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`00:06.36`	`alestane`	`"You'd almost think that was a hint, wouldn't you? "`
`00:11.32`	`Adys`	`wdbc.structures.fields.RelationError: Key 255 does not exist in questxp`
`00:11.33`	`Adys`	`\o/`
`00:12.42`	`WobWork`	`Constraint error would still be better, I'd say =)`
`00:12.50`	`WobWork`	`cause that's precisely what it is, isn't it?`
`00:13.24`	`Adys`	`not always`
`00:13.34`	`Adys`	`as i said, it can be any error that happens during the fetching`
`00:14.32`	`Adys`	`the relation is wrong, invalid, a file is missing, a key is missing, etc`
`00:14.45`	`Adys`	`i subclass it after that, eg`
`00:14.46`	`Adys`	`class UnresolvedRelation(RelationError):`
`00:31.15`	`WobWork`	`http://www.eyefi.com.au/`
`00:31.29`	`WobWork`	`the video gets epic around 1min34`
`00:35.59`	`WobWork`	`I hope I hope I hope people are getting out while they can =(`
`00:36.53`	`WobWork`	`cause situations where you literally cannot drive out of range fast enough before your tires melt underneath you... =\`
`00:39.49`	`Kraps`	`this is dumb, queuing as dps`
`00:40.22`	`Jerub`	`30 minute wait time for a level 67 last night`
`00:40.43`	`Jerub`	`my druid is tank/healer now, even though i really really want to be kitty.`
`00:40.48`	`Jerub`	`because LFG wait times are stupid long.`
`00:40.56`	`WobWork`	`Jerub: tank/heal for the gear =P`
`00:41.26`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I wish the major sites didn't all have different markup :(`
`00:42.22`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: how do you mean?`
`00:42.44`	`ZorbaTHut`	`jerub, I'm trying to port my curse.com addon description to wowinterface since the wowi version is woefully out of date`
`00:43.01`	`Jerub`	`oh, right.`
`00:43.10`	`Jerub`	`well, contact posterous.com and ask them to support curse and wowinterface.`
`00:43.11`	`Jerub`	`:P`
`00:43.25`	`Jerub`	`posterous is really an awesome blogging engine.`
`00:43.28`	`Jerub`	`too bad it's sensible about JS`
`00:43.43`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I'm pretty sure that the two are different enough that neither one is a strict subset of the other anyway`
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`01:02.18`	`Shirik`	`~ping`
`01:02.19`	`purl`	`~pong`
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`01:03.36`	`Adys`	`Shirik: ping`
`01:03.54`	`Kraps`	`not to toot my own horn, but THIS is how dps works, i have about 1k less GS than the other 2 dpsers and i was between them in dps on recount`
`01:04.20`	`WobWork`	`squeezes Kraps' horn`
`01:04.59`	`WobWork`	`did you divide your GS by your DPS?`
`01:05.04`	`Kraps`	`i think Hodir is looking for you wob`
`01:05.05`	`WobWork`	`and multiply by 100?`
`01:05.14`	`WobWork`	`cause that'll tell you everything you need`
`01:05.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And divide by the number of days left until Mercury leaves retrograde?`
`01:05.26`	`Kraps`	`lol`
`01:05.27`	`foxlit`	`hm, where is that thread?`
`01:06.00`	`WobWork`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22418743139&sid=1`
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`01:06.21`	`foxlit`	`Just one page? I'm disapppointed :(`
`01:06.38`	`Kraps`	`it just irks me when i tank and people dont use their gear to the full potential, probably due to a poor rotation`
`01:06.38`	`WobWork`	`yeah`
`01:06.41`	`WobWork`	`it fizzled =P`
`01:06.55`	`foxlit`	`bump it stealthily with a trollish remark.`
`01:07.04`	`foxlit`	`I'd tell Fisker to do it, but he's on the wrong continent :/`
`01:07.10`	`WobWork`	`Kraps: as long as the healer is keeping me up, and there is sufficent dps to kill stuff, I don't care about their rotation`
`01:07.20`	`Grum`	`ooh seriously`
`01:07.29`	`Grum`	`.... they are really going to add more crap to that?!`
`01:07.46`	`WobWork`	`go! Go comment, Grum! Release your inner snark!`
`01:07.53`	`Jerub`	`i get shitty at bad kitties`
`01:07.55`	`Grum`	`no i'll /wrist myself in the shower`
`01:08.05`	`WobWork`	`Jerub: you're a poet and you didn't know it`
`01:08.06`	`Shadowed`	`foxlit: I think the GS author is starting to ignore me :(`
`01:08.22`	`WobWork`	`Shadowed: that's cause you talk smack`
`01:08.25`	`Shadowed`	`hey`
`01:08.29`	`Shadowed`	`I am factually correct`
`01:08.38`	`Kraps`	`WobWork: "sufficent" is a very subjective term`
`01:08.39`	`WobWork`	`and? =)`
`01:08.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`blows kisses. Night night!`
`01:08.54`	`Shadowed`	`facts win all!`
`01:08.56`	`WobWork`	`Kraps: that's what votekick is for`
`01:09.06`	`Shirik`	`night Lopeppeppy`
`01:09.28`	`WobWork`	`although I had a ele shammy in my party`
`01:09.38`	`WobWork`	`with the shield from CoS`
`01:09.44`	`WobWork`	`=(`
`01:09.57`	`Jerub`	`for reference, i'm not shitty at 5k GS kitties pulling only 3kdps, i'm shitty at 4T9 kitties saying, "but mangle does more damage" when i tell them to shred because i'm bear tanking and have mangle in my rotation.`
`01:10.16`	`Mikk`	`and mangle doesnt do more damage`
`01:10.25`	`Jerub`	`Mikk: exactly`
`01:10.27`	`WobWork`	`and resto shammies that don't use earth shield make my baby bear cry`
`01:10.40`	`Kraps`	`the recount thing in that post has me as the highest performer woot`
`01:10.57`	`Jerub`	`i want an addon, "stupidcount"`
`01:11.09`	`Mikk`	`make that distributed please`
`01:11.13`	`Mikk`	`at least guild`
`01:11.32`	`Jerub`	`like 'mangle when bleed effect has >50% time left' and '>50% time clipped hots' and 'aoe on 1 target'`
`01:11.55`	`Jerub`	`'popping army, basically ever'`
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`01:12.52`	`ZorbaTHut`	`dragon roulette is awesome`
`01:13.05`	`foxlit`	`Few interesting dragons, though`
`01:13.20`	`foxlit`	`Just Nexus/VH?`
`01:13.33`	`ZorbaTHut`	`true, but, I mean`
`01:13.33`	`WobWork`	`Jerub: http://community.livejournal.com/dear_gnome/447012.html`
`01:13.36`	`ZorbaTHut`	`dragon roulette`
`01:13.37`	`ZorbaTHut`	`:D`
`01:13.43`	`WobWork`	`dragon roulette?`
`01:13.45`	`WobWork`	`oh`
`01:13.47`	`WobWork`	`yeah`
`01:13.57`	`ZorbaTHut`	`also if I ever get a DK to 80 I will always pop Army on Black Knight phase 2.`
`01:14.04`	`ZorbaTHut`	`like, fuck you man`
`01:14.07`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I've got ghouls also`
`01:14.35`	`WobWork`	`hehe`
`01:14.38`	`WobWork`	`ghoul epeening`
`01:15.01`	`WobWork`	`I really don't mind proper application of AotD`
`01:15.07`	`WobWork`	`but see that post =(`
`01:15.37`	`Jerub`	`yeah`
`01:15.45`	`foxlit`	`In the event of a loose dragon, I just don't bother ensuring the survival of anyone but myself or the tank.`
`01:15.54`	`Jerub`	`i've ended up rage starved in p2 and p3 of toc5 because of army.`
`01:16.00`	`Adys`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 adys adys 3.8G 2009-09-24 10:29 patch.MPQ`
`01:16.03`	`Jerub`	`and as soon as a bear is rage starved, the group is boned.`
`01:16.13`	`Adys`	`anyone has an mpq archive > 4gb?`
`01:16.22`	`WobWork`	`Jerub: that I'm definitely learning`
`01:16.30`	`Adys`	`blizz is supposed to have added bigfile support in tbc but they dont seem to use it`
`01:16.41`	`WobWork`	`Jerub: to the point where I stop whacking at the mobs near their dying point soas to save up rage for the next encounter`
`01:17.10`	`Kraps`	`"I loathe that spell, especially since most DKs don't seem to understand AND can't keep it in their pants."`
`01:17.14`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I like how patch-3.mpq is 352 bytes`
`01:17.15`	`Jerub`	`WobWork: feral charge is a good idea, just because it gives you extra precious seconds before the melee dps get in close.`
`01:17.40`	`Jerub`	`but it's broken in that it requires rage.`
`01:17.42`	`Jerub`	`:/`
`01:17.51`	`Jerub`	`i was shocked to find that the warrior version didn't.`
`01:17.58`	`Jerub`	`(no wonder you can tank as a bear with 3 buttons)`
`01:18.52`	`Mikk`	`mangle,maul,swipe`
`01:18.53`	`Mikk`	`win`
`01:19.17`	`Mikk`	`incidentally, buttons 1, 2 and 3 in my bear bindings`
`01:19.40`	`Jerub`	`Mikk: ... fail.`
`01:19.43`	`Mikk`	`wut`
`01:19.44`	`foxlit`	`doesn't like binding things to 1`
`01:19.54`	`Mikk`	`well unless you're bosstanking`
`01:19.55`	`WobWork`	`Mikk: I have maul macroed to my lazytank button`
`01:19.58`	`Jerub`	`Mikk: buttons should be: mangle, FFF, swipe, lacerate`
`01:20.00`	`foxlit`	`Though that's probably Nourish.`
`01:20.03`	`Mikk`	`then you can have lacerate on 4`
`01:20.05`	`Jerub`	`Mikk: and maul should be macroed on all 4.`
`01:20.06`	`Mikk`	`and hit it once every 10 seconds`
`01:20.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`Adys: i dont think they were larger than 2gb before tbc, most of the older mpq tools nolonger work with wow mpqs unless they were updated after tbc`
`01:20.33`	`Mikk`	`mmmmno i don't like having maul macroed.. sucks for rage =(`
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`01:20.38`	`WobWork`	`left click uses maul`
`01:20.41`	`WobWork`	`right click doesn't`
`01:20.43`	`Mikk`	`haha`
`01:20.46`	`Mikk`	`fail`
`01:20.49`	`Jerub`	`Mikk: #showtooltip Mangle (Bear) ; /cast !Maul ; /cast Mangle (Bear)`
`01:20.50`	`Mikk`	`who the hell clicks actions :P`
`01:20.55`	`mikma`	`can someone tell me the ip's of eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com and eu.version.worldofwarcraft.com`
`01:21.08`	`Mikk`	`~fail mikma`
`01:21.08`	`purl`	`mikma, you Fail!`
`01:21.26`	`mikma`	`mikk: no, Telia-Sonera failed`
`01:21.31`	`Mikk`	`ahhh you too eh`
`01:21.38`	`Mikk`	`wait lemme give you another dps server`
`01:21.40`	`Jerub`	`My dps doubled when i macroed maul.`
`01:21.50`	`Mikk`	`208.67.222.222`
`01:21.51`	`mikma`	`what? dns down in sweden too?`
`01:22.00`	`Mikk`	`no, finnish friend of mine had a breakdown too`
`01:22.02`	`Jerub`	`use 8.8.8.8 as a dns sserver`
`01:22.06`	`mikma`	`heh ok`
`01:22.11`	`Jerub`	`it's google run`
`01:22.34`	`Mikk`	`208.67.222.222 is opendns run`
`01:22.35`	`WobWork`	`http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/~awatkins/melbtemp.html`
`01:22.47`	`WobWork`	`looks like an awesome day in Melbourne ><`
`01:23.12`	`Mikk`	`whoot`
`01:23.20`	`Mikk`	`gotta love it when it hits bodytemp`
`01:23.38`	`foxlit`	`WobWork: http://holykaw.alltop.com/great-satellite-photo-of-england-under-snow`
`01:23.39`	`Mikk`	`"hey, i'll go for a motorbike ride, those are windy and nice"`
`01:23.47`	`Mikk`	`"WHO STUCK A BLOWDRYER IN MY FACE?!?!?!"`
`01:23.55`	`WobWork`	`Mikk: heheh so true`
`01:24.13`	`WobWork`	`foxlit: yeah... I wouldn't mind some of that snow over Victoria`
`01:24.21`	`WobWork`	`just to prevent the fires`
`01:24.42`	`Mikk`	`first time i had that was in greece.. took me a while to figure out what was going on`
`01:25.03`	`Mikk`	`"hmmm... having winds exceeding body temperature blown at you MIGHT actually NOT cool you down.. !" lamp over head`
`01:25.23`	`mikma`	`mikk: thanks! that dns worked nicely!`
`01:25.59`	`foxlit`	`Mikk: I would imagine that would depend on whether you're sweating or not.`
`01:27.28`	`Mikk`	`well`
`01:27.31`	`Mikk`	`it was 42C at the time`
`01:27.35`	`Mikk`	`in the shade`
`01:27.39`	`Mikk`	`and i was driving in the sun obviously`
`01:28.27`	`WobWork`	`foxlit: that also depends on humidity =)`
`01:28.44`	`WobWork`	`I abhor high humidity high temp =(`
`01:28.52`	`WobWork`	`high temp low humidity, I can handle`
`01:29.04`	`mikma`	`hmm`
`01:29.04`	`Mikk`	`well`
`01:29.11`	`Mikk`	`greece never goes dry tbh`
`01:29.29`	`Mikk`	`well perhaps somewhere far inland`
`01:29.35`	`Mikk`	`but it's not like i vacation there :P`
`01:29.59`	`WobWork`	`http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/bushfire-breaks-out-in-catastrophic-national-park-zone/story-e6frfku0-1225818039095`
`01:30.01`	`WobWork`	`and so it begins =(`
`01:30.07`	`Jerub`	`http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2010-01-10-n57.html`
`01:30.51`	`Mikk`	`"The temperature is set to reach 44C in the Wimmera district and strong northerly winds are forecast."`
`01:30.54`	`Mikk`	`joy`
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`02:29.14`	`Adys`	`horde captures 1167, ally captures 1168`
`02:29.14`	`Adys`	`oined #wowuidev`
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`02:29.21`	`Adys`	`paste fail`
`02:29.27`	`Adys`	`horde defends 160, alliance defends 633*`
`02:31.24`	`Adys`	`so it appears xchat doesnt respect freedesktop clipboard`
`02:34.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`you know ive been having issues with xchat and the clipboard the last day or so too`
`02:34.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`but i swear it worked fine before that`
`02:45.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`stop using a fail client then`
`02:49.51`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I love how useless the "captures" number is`
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`03:08.18`	`Cloudwolf_`	`rofl`
`03:08.18`	`Cloudwolf_`	`uhh`
`03:08.19`	`Cloudwolf_`	`nice giant server split flalowed by reconnect`
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`03:09.55`	`Cloudwolf_`	`uhh`
`03:09.55`	`Cloudwolf_`	`that was like 100 people who just connected lol`
`03:09.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`welcome to a netsplit.`
`03:10.30`	`WobWork`	`I have to figure out how to hide show/joins in pidgin`
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`03:11.21`	`ZorbaTHut`	`thunder, the defends numbers are useful because it gives you a sense of how good each side is`
`03:11.40`	`ZorbaTHut`	`the captures number is pointless because each value will always be within one of the other one`
`03:12.01`	`ZorbaTHut`	`you can't capture it without it having been captured, so it's basically "how many times has it been captured, and also, is it the same place it was when we started keeping records". it could be one number and be just as useful.`
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`03:18.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`ZorbaTHut: but without any kind of information on how the defense was accomplished it is as worthless as captures`
`03:23.06`	`ZorbaTHut`	`in bulk, it's useful. if alliance defended 100 times and horde defended 600 times it tells you something about the relative ability`
`03:25.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`not at all, it could tell you that 1:1 one side always wins, or i could simply tell you that one side doent care to do WG, or even that the factions are wildly uneven in terms of population`
`03:25.10`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ`
`03:25.26`	`ZorbaTHut`	`but even that is more useful than what the "captures" number tells you`
`03:26.10`	`Shirik`	`I hae returned`
`03:26.14`	`Shirik`	`did you all miss me?`
`03:26.22`	`Shirik`	`I see Adys failed once again`
`03:26.25`	`ZorbaTHut`	`"defense" gives you some idea of how likely it is that you'll win a random wintergrasp battle. the two "captures" values tells you who owned wintergrasp during that specific patch. I am claiming that the former bit of information is vastly more useful than the latter :P`
`03:30.59`	`Shirik`	`we gotta fight`
`03:31.02`	`Shirik`	`fight for your life`
`03:31.06`	`Shirik`	`liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiife`
`03:35.11`	`Adys`	`have i now`
`03:35.37`	`Adys`	`shit its 6am soon`
`03:35.42`	`Adys`	`night all`
`03:36.38`	`WobWork`	`whee`
`03:36.39`	`WobWork`	`http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/~awatkins/melbtemp.html`
`03:36.42`	`WobWork`	`41`
`03:38.08`	`Dagmar`	`Oh look!`
`03:38.13`	`Dagmar`	`You've not even reached today's high yet!`
`03:39.35`	`WobWork`	`s'true`
`03:39.44`	`WobWork`	`Good thing I'm not in Melbourne =)`
`03:40.04`	`WobWork`	`Just keeping an eye on the temps cause of fire problems`
`03:43.28`	`Shirik`	`ScytheBlade1! You would be proud of me!`
`03:43.50`	`Shirik`	`my hostname no longer says li23-154`
`04:13.15`	`Jerub`	`my arena rating is now 95!`
`04:13.22`	`Jerub`	`we won two fights!`
`04:13.23`	`Jerub`	`against guys in greens!`
`04:14.57`	`Jerub`	`however, wowwiki.com/Arena must be wrong, because it says maximum gain is 32 points, and we only won two fights...`
`04:18.36`	`Shirik`	`That sounds old`
`04:18.44`	`Shirik`	`it's true it used to be like that, but I'm pretty sure it's not anymore`
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`04:37.43`	`Shirik`	`~ping`
`04:37.44`	`purl`	`~pong`
`04:38.45`	`ZorbaTHut`	`explicitly throttling point gain in rating systems like that can result in some weird inflation/deflation issues. it wouldn't entirely surprise me if they got rid of the throttles.`
`04:38.50`	`ZorbaTHut`	`although the arena season resets probably help curb that.`
`04:39.26`	`Jerub`	`i have a feeling that only having 100 resilience is a big part of what's wrong.`
`04:39.36`	`Jerub`	`has to run voa religiously from now on`
`04:39.42`	`Jerub`	`and fight in WG`
`04:40.08`	`ZorbaTHut`	`yeah, doing the WG weeklies and both VoA runs will deck you out surprisingly quickly`
`04:42.17`	`Jerub`	`the WG quests are weeklies?`
`04:43.06`	`tem`	`Darksiders is an awesome game`
`04:46.22`	`Jerub`	`see, this is how little i know.`
`04:46.39`	`Jerub`	`i have a few pvp pieces from voa, but i generally ignore stuff that'snot better than my pve stuff`
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`05:06.06`	`Shirik`	`hahahahaha`
`05:06.06`	`Shirik`	`I am so win`
`05:06.14`	`Shirik`	`I just got a retroactive "honor roll" posted to my transcript`
`05:06.32`	`Shirik`	`* Fall 2008 * (08/25/08 - 12/10/08)`
`05:06.48`	`Shirik`	`Because I had an I (incomplete) there for like...`
`05:08.07`	`Shirik`	`well I guess it's only been a year but it seems like forever`
`05:13.48`	`bleeter`	`fark oaf it's hot`
`05:15.27`	`bleeter`	`does some mental calculation`
`05:15.34`	`bleeter`	`'bout 100F, give or take a couple`
`05:15.40`	`Shirik`	`that's all?`
`05:16.00`	`bleeter`	`yeah well, look at the latitude :P`
`05:16.21`	`bleeter`	`some other places in .au, it's 110`
`05:16.22`	`Shirik`	`changes in latitude, changes in attitude`
`05:16.25`	`Shirik`	`nothing remains quite the same`
`05:17.00`	`Shirik`	`through all of the islands and all of the highlands`
`05:17.07`	`Shirik`	`if we couldn't laugh then we'd all go insane`
`05:18.05`	`*** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ \| 3.3.x ToC: 30300 \| #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting \| Happy Birthday Cairenn.... I think.`
`05:18.21`	`Cairenn`	`pokes Shirik`
`05:18.21`	`bleeter`	`oh, hmm.. so we're same latitude as Chicago`
`05:18.44`	`Shirik`	`pokes Cairenn`
`05:18.49`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`05:18.52`	`Cairenn`	`huggles Shirik`
`05:18.57`	`Shirik`	`:)`
`05:18.59`	`Cairenn`	`thank you sweetie`
`05:19.12`	`bleeter`	`takes pics and sells them on eBay`
`05:20.37`	`Shirik`	`pets Cairenn`
`05:20.43`	`Cairenn`	`purrs`
`05:20.55`	`*** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ \| 3.3.x ToC: 30300 \| #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting \| Happy Birthday Cairenn!`
`05:22.02`	`kd3`	`yay january birthdays`
`05:22.53`	`Shirik`	`January birthdays are indeed win`
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`05:28.42`	`Sargeras`	`so Cairenn`
`05:28.50`	`Cairenn`	`hmmm?`
`05:29.01`	`Sargeras`	`we must meet up for those birthday spankings`
`05:29.09`	`Cairenn`	`purrs at Sargeras`
`05:29.26`	`Torhal`	`Zoot?`
`05:30.03`	`Sargeras`	`you look great for 29`
`05:30.20`	`Cairenn`	`huggles Sargeras`
`05:30.58`	`kd3`	`is horrified at the thought that he's turning a quarter-century old in ~16 days`
`05:31.13`	`Cairenn`	`pouts at kd3`
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`05:34.29`	`Shirik`	`I bet Cairenn has some awesome birthday parties`
`05:34.40`	`Shirik`	`she might not remember them though`
`05:35.24`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`05:37.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`she doesnt have to Shirik, she draws people with cameras like blood in the water draws sharks`
`05:43.11`	`ccox`	`Shirik: even if Cairenn doesn't remember them, she can always check the police blotter for details`
`05:43.36`	`Cairenn`	`:p`
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`05:44.12`	`Shirik`	`police blotter?`
`05:45.22`	`kd3`	`~dict police blotter`
`05:46.41`	`Kraps`	`what are the pros and cons of putting berserker on both weapons as fury?`
`05:47.04`	`Torhal`	`I'm close to convinced that Shirik is the world's first successful AI.`
`05:47.18`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`05:47.25`	`ccox`	`Torhal: meet him in person, then you WILL be convinced`
`05:47.31`	`Torhal`	`Haha`
`05:47.36`	`Cairenn`	`if he is, it's pretty damn impressive AI, because he seemed damn real when I hugged him`
`05:48.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`Cairenn: you can hug a computer`
`05:48.47`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`05:51.55`	`WobWork`	`><`
`05:52.01`	`WobWork`	`42 degrees`
`05:52.03`	`WobWork`	`at 5pm`
`05:54.13`	`kd3`	`eesh. are you on fire down there or something?`
`05:56.07`	`WobWork`	`kd3: funny you should mention that =\`
`05:56.22`	`WobWork`	`not right where I am, but further south`
`05:56.28`	`kd3`	`eesh`
`05:56.40`	`WobWork`	`Victoria is hardest hit, and they say it'll be worse than last year`
`05:56.47`	`kd3`	`!`
`05:56.57`	`Kraps`	`this cant be right http://www.wowpopular.com/Enchants/Fury/Off+Hand/Warrior`
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`05:59.47`	`WobWork`	`Kraps: those crazy fury warriors =P`
`05:59.58`	`Kraps`	`lol`
`05:59.59`	`_rane`	`Kraps: titan grip "off hand" isn't probably really off hand`
`06:00.12`	`_rane`	`technically`
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`06:04.24`	`Kraps`	`win http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=48375:47697:48373:48372:47674;45833:46150:46151:46146:44195`
`06:04.36`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I'm gonna assume that wowpoular is a bit inaccurate in that case :P`
`06:04.50`	`ZorbaTHut`	`it's probably looking at equipped items, not actual slots`
`06:10.54`	`Kraps`	`thats 250 emblems`
`06:11.22`	`Jerub`	`just got the 1500 emblem achievement.`
`06:11.38`	`ZorbaTHut`	`bought a mammoth with emblems.`
`06:11.46`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: is that possible?`
`06:11.50`	`Jerub`	`isn't that stonekeeper shards?`
`06:12.01`	`ZorbaTHut`	`there's one for shards and one for emblems`
`06:12.13`	`Jerub`	`oh, i didn't know that, where do you get it from?`
`06:12.24`	`ZorbaTHut`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44230`
`06:12.30`	`Kraps`	`i have 1559 shards ftl`
`06:12.47`	`Jerub`	`i buy crusader orbs and throw them in my GB for other guildies to craft with`
`06:12.49`	`ZorbaTHut`	`you can buy a bunch of mammoths :D`
`06:13.07`	`Kraps`	`ty ZorbaTHut :(`
`06:13.16`	`ZorbaTHut`	`just like an entire pile of mammoths`
`06:13.18`	`ZorbaTHut`	`take small pond`
`06:13.21`	`ZorbaTHut`	`fill with mammoths`
`06:14.18`	`Kraps`	`eyes ZorbaTHut strangely`
`06:14.36`	`ZorbaTHut`	`mammoth diving!`
`06:14.39`	`ZorbaTHut`	`:D`
`06:14.46`	`Jerub`	`oh, interesting. 200 heroism.`
`06:14.50`	`Jerub`	`needs to buy that`
`06:15.03`	`Jerub`	`Kraps: trade for honor, buy gems with honor, profit.`
`06:15.18`	`Kraps`	`i only see that its 16k gold`
`06:15.37`	`Kraps`	`and where do you buy gems with honor?`
`06:16.10`	`Jerub`	`Kraps: valley of honor`
`06:16.17`	`Kraps`	`oh wrong mammoth`
`06:16.25`	`Jerub`	`Kraps: for horde at least.`
`06:16.37`	`Jerub`	`Kraps: 10000 honor = cardinal ruby`
`06:16.54`	`Kraps`	`alliance is champions hall`
`06:18.44`	`Kraps`	`is currently listening to Incubus - Drive`
`06:20.26`	`Kraps`	`"Essentially, the best way to think about how Dalaran moved to northrend is to imagine it bubble hearthing like a paladin, only with a 3 and a half year cast time."`
`06:21.21`	`WobWork`	`Kraps: awesome`
`06:22.38`	`Shirik`	`...`
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`06:23.45`	`Kraps`	`honor for gems is cool`
`06:25.51`	`Jerub`	`Kraps: yeah, i saved a shitload of my own gold when i found that out.`
`06:25.56`	`Jerub`	`cut gems for personal use.`
`06:28.11`	`WobWork`	`I should pvp heal for honour`
`06:28.34`	`WobWork`	`if it weren't for the fact that being a tree is like painting a target on your back`
`06:28.41`	`WobWork`	`"Free firewood!"`
`06:29.12`	`WobWork`	`at least on a shaman, it's not immediately evident what spec you are, aside from elemental/resto`
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`06:31.09`	`Jerub`	`WobWork: just don't go into tree form.`
`06:31.16`	`Jerub`	`WobWork: that's what i do`
`06:31.19`	`Jerub`	`and it lets you cyclone`
`06:31.36`	`ZorbaTHut`	`tree form itself is actually surprisingly unimportant`
`06:31.57`	`ZorbaTHut`	`it's not like bear or cat where it actually changes the game, it's just a small number of mild bonuses`
`06:32.34`	`Jerub`	`i've been doing a little bit of arena, and i've been doing it starting in kitty/prowling and then pop out to heal.`
`06:32.46`	`Jerub`	`it's a strategy that has aided our survivability by 10-20 seconds`
`06:32.54`	`Jerub`	`but healing in tauren form`
`06:33.17`	`WobWork`	`I still have to get used to healing`
`06:33.21`	`WobWork`	`my gear utterly sucks =(`
`06:33.31`	`WobWork`	`what stats am I looking for?`
`06:33.39`	`Jerub`	`WobWork: as a tree?`
`06:33.47`	`Jerub`	`WobWork: Spellpower to 2500, then haste+spellpower.`
`06:34.01`	`WobWork`	`aye`
`06:34.08`	`ZorbaTHut`	`wobwork, if you're doing heroics, the answer is "the highest ilvl thing you can find that has spellpower on it"`
`06:34.25`	`WobWork`	`hm, okies`
`06:34.46`	`ZorbaTHut`	`you gear up so fast in heroics that it's basically not worth worrying about the stats, higher ilvl = better than`
`06:34.54`	`ZorbaTHut`	`(get the idol if you don't already have it)`
`06:34.59`	`WobWork`	`that's if I'm levelling -as- a healer`
`06:35.09`	`ZorbaTHut`	`well, true. are you at 80?`
`06:35.13`	`WobWork`	`not yet =)`
`06:35.15`	`WobWork`	`only 77`
`06:35.24`	`WobWork`	`been tanking it so far`
`06:35.30`	`ZorbaTHut`	`oh, well, it's still higher ilvl = better than ;)`
`06:35.47`	`Jerub`	`WobWork: I did feral up till 80, then did most of my raids as healer until i got a grip on kitty/bear`
`06:35.49`	`ZorbaTHut`	`start mooching spell leather off instances if you're not already, it's not like anyone else will want it`
`06:36.20`	`WobWork`	`we can't roll on cloth, can we?`
`06:36.28`	`ZorbaTHut`	`you can greed and cross your fingers`
`06:36.33`	`Shirik`	`"Error: Too many errors. There must be something terribly wrong with your code. Please fix it"`
`06:36.35`	`ZorbaTHut`	`and if someone who didn't DE gets it, they'll almost always hand it over`
`06:36.40`	`Jerub`	`I've had a frostweave bag full of gear since level 75ish for off-spec.`
`06:36.40`	`ZorbaTHut`	`in my experience people are pretty understanding about it`
`06:36.50`	`Shirik`	`best error message ever`
`06:37.00`	`ZorbaTHut`	`(especially because, if nobody needed, it means nobody . . . you know . . . needed it)`
`06:37.03`	`Jerub`	`i kept 'bear' 'cat' and 'tree' armor sets sinec.`
`06:38.27`	`Kraps`	`night`
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`07:02.56`	`Shirik`	`wb Cairenn`
`07:03.01`	`Shirik`	`I was so lonely without you`
`07:03.22`	`Cairenn`	`huggles Shirik`
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`07:12.10`	`ZorbaTHut`	`DK tank with two 1h tanking weapons, doing 1.5k TPS :(`
`07:13.11`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: time to stop and give a gearing tutorial?`
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`07:17.48`	`ZorbaTHut`	`jerub, DW tanking is only viable if you really know what you're doing, and in any case, DKs have a pile of instant-strike abilities. they really, really need heavy-hitting slow weapons`
`07:18.07`	`ZorbaTHut`	`and since the only normal tanking weapons in the game are fast, that basically means they never use tanking weapons.`
`07:18.45`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: i see.`
`07:18.56`	`Jerub`	`I need to go back and play my warrior more`
`07:19.06`	`Jerub`	`trying to get my mage to northrend is taking too long :/`
`07:19.31`	`ZorbaTHut`	`haha, we just had someone leave the party because "dps is too low"`
`07:19.37`	`Jerub`	`also, what the hell is up with the sack of useful stuff given for random dungeons containing strength gear for a caster?`
`07:19.38`	`ZorbaTHut`	`he was our lowest-dps DPS.`
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`07:29.34`	`zenzio`	`woot, happy birthday Cairenn!`
`07:31.36`	`Shirik`	`you're late`
`07:31.40`	`Shirik`	`I beat you`
`07:31.44`	`Shirik`	`she loves me more now`
`07:32.02`	`zenzio`	`nothing a knife in a dark back alley can't fix`
`07:32.30`	`Shirik`	`Cairenn, zenzio is threatening me. Ban him plz`
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`07:40.16`	`Cairenn`	`thanks zenzio`
`07:40.40`	`Cairenn`	`Shirik: you can, you have the ability ;)`
`07:41.04`	`Shirik`	`so I have your approval to ban him`
`07:41.16`	`Shirik`	`DO YOU HEAR THAT ZENZIO, I SHALL SMITE THEE WITH GREAT VENGEANCE`
`07:41.22`	`Shadowed`	`That's more a statement of fact, not an approval of your request`
`07:41.34`	`Jerub`	`huh?`
`07:41.36`	`Shadowed`	`perhaps it's more of a mocking you for missing the obvious!`
`07:41.44`	`zenzio`	`Shirik: no worries, I have prepared a post for the WoW and curse forums about how WoWI are facists`
`07:41.49`	`Jerub`	`man, ban or don't ban, don't fuck around.`
`07:42.12`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+b Jerub!*n=gideon@unaffiliated/jerub] by Shirik`
`07:42.16`	`Shirik`	`I win`
`07:42.26`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [-b Jerub!*n=gideon@unaffiliated/jerub] by Shirik`
`07:42.36`	`Shirik`	`ok I'm done now`
`07:42.38`	`Shirik`	`back to coding`
`07:48.37`	`jnwhiteh`	`What class would I enjoy?`
`07:48.41`	`jnwhiteh`	`would I enjoy a paladin at all?`
`07:48.46`	`jnwhiteh`	`or would I want to stab myself in the face?`
`07:48.52`	`nevcairiel`	`I would go with face stabbing`
`07:48.57`	`nevcairiel`	`but uh`
`07:48.58`	`jnwhiteh`	`hrmph`
`07:49.22`	`nevcairiel`	`leveling paladins is so boring, they mostly just use auto attack and some cooldown every x seconds`
`07:49.39`	`olafski`	`paladin leveling got a bit better when their taunt got a damage component`
`07:49.46`	`olafski`	`but what do I know, my paladin started at lvl 60`
`07:50.09`	`nevcairiel`	`i guess there are people that like playing paladins`
`07:50.19`	`olafski`	`you can also just level to about 20 and continue leveling as a tank in dungeons`
`07:50.32`	`olafski`	`ah, lvl 16 for Righteous Fury`
`07:50.57`	`olafski`	`dunno how you'll keep mana at that level though`
`07:51.42`	`zenzio`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/10/funny-pictures-see-this/`
`07:58.08`	`jnwhiteh`	`i only do 1.7k damage`
`07:58.21`	`Shirik`	`I dunno, I had some fun leveling a paladin`
`07:58.25`	`Shirik`	`but you have to do it as prot/holy`
`07:58.30`	`Shirik`	`and fight like 50 mobs at once`
`07:58.41`	`Shirik`	`then again, this is coming from a person that leveled 4 priests, so, um`
`07:58.47`	`Shirik`	`I may be a bit biased in what I think is "easy"`
`07:59.00`	`Shirik`	`p.s. leveled them all as holy too`
`07:59.06`	`Shirik`	`I take that back one I leveled shadow to 40`
`07:59.16`	`jnwhiteh`	`thats what I get for nuking in my resto gear`
`07:59.46`	`tekkub`	`so what you're saying is, you're inefficient and when you try something efficient it's "easy"`
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`08:03.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`i like my DK`
`08:04.00`	`jnwhiteh`	`i could hit 80 with him`
`08:05.17`	`nevcairiel`	`leveling my DK was really fun`
`08:05.19`	`nevcairiel`	`i liked it`
`08:05.36`	`olafski`	`same.. but it would be even more awesome to level a second one`
`08:05.39`	`olafski`	`now that I have a clue how to play ;p`
`08:05.53`	`Shirik`	`I can't stand DKs`
`08:06.04`	`olafski`	`when they pit you against those target dummies in acherus I was like "huh.. ok I'll just push some buttons.. damn this dps sucks" :P`
`08:06.07`	`Shirik`	`I leveled one to 58, solely to get the experience of doing the breakout quests`
`08:06.09`	`Shirik`	`and that's it`
`08:06.21`	`zenzio`	`same`
`08:08.14`	`olafski`	`got one to 80 and one to 63 :}`
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`08:24.28`	`jnwhiteh`	`why can't you stand them Shirik?`
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`08:32.52`	`olafski`	`jnwhiteh: hit lvl 5 after 32 minutes with a new paladin I rolled`
`08:32.55`	`olafski`	`not very quick on the startup :P`
`08:33.11`	`olafski`	`no heirlooms or other twinks though`
`08:33.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah i've got a full set of plate heirlooms`
`08:33.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`i'd end up healing with my paladin toh`
`08:33.33`	`jnwhiteh`	`which means i'd need to dual spec`
`08:33.39`	`jnwhiteh`	`on my dk, i dont need to do any of that =)`
`08:33.41`	`jnwhiteh`	`and he's already 71`
`08:33.54`	`olafski`	`don't need to dualspec if you level in dungeons tho`
`08:34.09`	`zenzio`	`how does that work, do plate heirlooms start out as mail, or do you need mail ones until you reach 40?`
`08:34.16`	`olafski`	`yes`
`08:34.17`	`jnwhiteh`	`they start up as mail`
`08:34.19`	`olafski`	`the former`
`08:34.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`olafski: yeah but i dont know that i can stand doing SM GY amymore`
`08:34.29`	`zenzio`	`interesting`
`08:34.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`15 times last night`
`08:34.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`in a row`
`08:34.32`	`olafski`	`hehe`
`08:34.43`	`olafski`	`same with mail ones zenzio`
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`08:57.20`	`augustl`	`anyone know how to shut up the wow installer? :O`
`08:57.27`	`augustl`	`it plays music whenever it is focused`
`08:57.49`	`augustl`	`s/installer/battlenet download and installer thingie/`
`08:58.36`	`zenzio`	`switch focus to another window`
`09:01.21`	`augustl`	`clever =P`
`09:04.36`	`augustl`	`occasionally the window gets focus when tabbing, though, and blows out my eardrums since the volume of the installer is about 4 times the volume of i Tunes..`
`09:06.05`	`Fisker`	`slaps zenzio around a bit with a large trout`
`09:10.42`	`Fisker`	`you probably didn't expect that huh zenzio ?`
`09:11.02`	`zenzio`	`no-one expects the fishslap`
`09:11.10`	`zenzio`	`y so slap? Still no nexus?`
`09:12.14`	`mikma`	`haste: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/metal.jpg`
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`09:15.15`	`Fisker`	`i think jnwhiteh stole it zenzio`
`09:17.44`	`jnwhiteh`	`I wish`
`09:18.21`	`jnwhiteh`	`lol`
`09:18.22`	`jnwhiteh`	`http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080907172954AAZmnAs`
`09:18.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`dont know why i find that funny`
`09:19.10`	`jnwhiteh`	`if Frost tanking fun for DKs?`
`09:19.27`	`olafski`	`not bad`
`09:19.37`	`olafski`	`I prefer it.. haven't tried unholy tanking though`
`09:20.11`	`jnwhiteh`	`unholy is neat because of the aoe threat`
`09:20.18`	`jnwhiteh`	`i have to look at the trees again`
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`09:20.40`	`Fisker`	`Blizzard needs to support mass auctions :(`
`09:20.52`	`jnwhiteh`	`they do, it's called AuctionLite!`
`09:20.58`	`Fisker`	`no`
`09:21.04`	`jnwhiteh`	`NO YOU`
`09:21.43`	`Fisker`	`i should be able to say "i want to post x auctions" and it would post it all in LESS THAN A SECOND >:3`
`09:22.15`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: i love blood tanking, it's extremely simple and you get extra +hp`
`09:22.43`	`jnwhiteh`	`mikma: hows your aoe threat?`
`09:22.48`	`mikma`	`it,ps,hs,hs,ds,dc,ds,hs,hs,hs,hs,dc,(dc)`
`09:22.56`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: it's worse than frost-threat`
`09:23.11`	`jnwhiteh`	`what about snap picking up mobs, like during Emalon`
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`09:23.26`	`mikma`	`blood has best singletarget tanking threat`
`09:23.40`	`mikma`	`i usually take aggro's from the other tanks in long fights`
`09:23.54`	`jnwhiteh`	`but DRW is the shittest talent =/`
`09:23.56`	`mikma`	`and if the tank sucks, that happens right at the start`
`09:24.03`	`mikma`	`wait a moment`
`09:24.09`	`mikma`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jcErVh0IcbobssxhxZ0gh0o:iGdMmV`
`09:24.14`	`mikma`	`that's what i use`
`09:24.17`	`mikma`	`1:1`
`09:24.38`	`jnwhiteh`	`whats your RP dump, death coil?`
`09:24.42`	`mikma`	`aye`
`09:24.47`	`jnwhiteh`	`seems to me like you might be better off taking corpse explosion`
`09:24.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`instead of necrosis`
`09:24.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`for snap aggro`
`09:24.58`	`mikma`	`don't :) it's waste of talent`
`09:25.02`	`jnwhiteh`	`wy?`
`09:25.27`	`mikma`	`it takes 40 runic power and does less damage than 1 blood boil`
`09:25.52`	`jnwhiteh`	`now keep in mind that i'm only 71`
`09:25.59`	`jnwhiteh`	`what 9 points would you leave out? :P`
`09:26.16`	`olafski`	`http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Dragonblight&cn=Deathski&gn=Slackers <-- frost tanking <3`
`09:26.31`	`mikma`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jcErVh0Icbobssx0xZ0x:GdZMmV`
`09:26.35`	`mikma`	`something like that`
`09:27.37`	`jnwhiteh`	`olafski: why do you like frost?`
`09:27.49`	`jnwhiteh`	`and which of the two builds you two linked is also okay for questing`
`09:27.56`	`mikma`	`and don't get me wrong, i also love 1 disease frost tanking`
`09:28.01`	`mikma`	`but for raids i picked blood`
`09:28.16`	`mikma`	`if i would do heroics over and over i would propably go with frost again`
`09:28.17`	`jnwhiteh`	`"1 disease frost tanking"`
`09:28.20`	`jnwhiteh`	`whatcha mean?`
`09:28.25`	`jnwhiteh`	`its been a while since I've dk'd.`
`09:28.25`	`olafski`	`using only one disease`
`09:28.37`	`olafski`	`I tank with two diseases though :>`
`09:28.38`	`mikma`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45806`
`09:28.45`	`olafski`	`dunno why I like frost :<`
`09:28.49`	`olafski`	`just feels good`
`09:28.59`	`olafski`	`ah yes =)`
`09:29.05`	`jnwhiteh`	`how's healing yourself with frost?`
`09:29.13`	`olafski`	`no self healing :P`
`09:29.18`	`olafski`	`well, death strike, but I use obliterate`
`09:29.19`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=49039 + death coul`
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`09:29.55`	`jnwhiteh`	`rm`
`09:29.56`	`mikma`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:30.03`	`jnwhiteh`	`i may just go with blood`
`09:30.04`	`jnwhiteh`	`i'm used to it`
`09:30.05`	`jnwhiteh`	`=/.`
`09:30.21`	`mikma`	`it's always hard to pick :D`
`09:30.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`yea`
`09:30.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`i did unholy for so long`
`09:30.46`	`olafski`	`s/yourself/target=play/ :)`
`09:30.49`	`olafski`	`ehh`
`09:30.57`	`olafski`	`/cast [@player] Death Coil`
`09:30.59`	`olafski`	`there we go`
`09:31.06`	`mikma`	`that's the way`
`09:31.25`	`olafski`	`unless your name is less than 6 chars long I guess ;)`
`09:31.28`	`jnwhiteh`	`whats the situational use for hysteria?`
`09:31.45`	`olafski`	`use it on a good dps during burn times I guess`
`09:31.45`	`mikma`	`ie. tem uses it to get lots and lots of threat in hard pulls`
`09:31.48`	`zenzio`	`freaks out your friends`
`09:31.56`	`olafski`	`or to get lots of threat yeah :)`
`09:31.58`	`mikma`	`also putting it on feral cat = win`
`09:32.18`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14985-Voodoo.html :D`
`09:32.29`	`olafski`	`I might try that single disease tanking.. the benefits sound nice`
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`09:32.44`	`mikma`	`olafski: try it, it's a .. blast :D`
`09:32.47`	`jnwhiteh`	`heh`
`09:32.53`	`jnwhiteh`	`what are the benefits of single disease tanking`
`09:33.08`	`Maldivia`	`jnwhiteh: when you see a group member barely survive a fight, with 5% left, that's when you use hysteria on him`
`09:33.09`	`olafski`	`don't have to spend 3 GCDs to get diseases up on all targets`
`09:33.18`	`jnwhiteh`	`Maldivia: =)`
`09:33.28`	`olafski`	`when I attack a pack I usually open with IT, PS, Pest`
`09:33.37`	`olafski`	`takes a while before that gets their attention though ,)`
`09:33.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah`
`09:33.57`	`olafski`	`if I can use howling blast to get everyone and disease them at the same time that's great`
`09:34.10`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, does death by hysteria cause durability loss?`
`09:34.17`	`olafski`	`can you even die from hysteria?`
`09:34.34`	`jnwhiteh`	`so the thought is the damage you lose in oblit you make up for being able to do more`
`09:34.48`	`jnwhiteh`	`mikma: do you have your blood rotation addon somewhere?`
`09:34.48`	`olafski`	`mikma: any idea which glyph I should replace? I'm thinking rune strike.. frost strike and obliterate are too good`
`09:35.06`	`olafski`	`jnwhiteh: not to mention the damage you lose from plague fever or whatever that disease is called`
`09:35.24`	`jnwhiteh`	`hrm`
`09:35.29`	`jnwhiteh`	`i need to buy glyphs now`
`09:35.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`i was apparently forst before`
`09:35.37`	`jnwhiteh`	`since i have frost strike glyphed =)`
`09:35.42`	`Fisker`	`you did this to yourself`
`09:35.45`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`09:36.12`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: svn://svn.wowinterface.com/mikma-174/L2Play , and i'll pop you the rotation in a second`
`09:36.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`i used hysteria on another DK during the finally LHC battle back in beta`
`09:37.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`the one youve got the mega dmg buff during`
`09:37.18`	`mikma`	`olafski: actually, there is info somewhere how much "dps" you will lose with 1 disease, and it was barely nothing`
`09:37.44`	`olafski`	`mkay :)`
`09:37.51`	`olafski`	`I'll try it then.. replacing rune strike glyph`
`09:37.56`	`mikma`	`olafski: i would replace rune strike`
`09:39.24`	`jnwhiteh`	`mikma: what should i glyph with for this build?`
`09:39.34`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: how many slots did you have again?`
`09:40.01`	`jnwhiteh`	`I have pestilence, horn of winter, raise dead, death grip, frost strike currently`
`09:40.06`	`jnwhiteh`	`so 2 major, 3 minor.`
`09:40.49`	`Fisker`	`rages`
`09:40.56`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jcErVh0Icbobssx0xZ0x:GdZMmV`
`09:41.02`	`jnwhiteh`	`mikma: /script L2:Rotation(2,{"Icy Touch","Plague Strike","Heart Strike","Heart Strike","Death Strike","Death Coil","Death Strike","Heart Strike","Heart Strike","Heart Strike","Heart Strike","Death Coil"}) still okay for DPS?`
`09:41.05`	`jnwhiteh`	`how diff is it for tanking?`
`09:41.23`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: that's my tanking rotation :)`
`09:41.28`	`jnwhiteh`	`k k`
`09:41.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`L2?`
`09:41.44`	`mikma`	`except i removed the DC's from the rotation and just put them in whenever there's "free" time while waiting the runes`
`09:41.52`	`jnwhiteh`	`k`
`09:42.02`	`mikma`	`arrowmaster: svn://svn.wowinterface.com/mikma-174/L2Play`
`09:42.06`	`nevcairiel`	`i dunno, blood is so easy to play, dont really need an addon for that`
`09:42.19`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah`
`09:42.23`	`mikma`	`nevcairiel: it's there to show you do the spells really hit`
`09:42.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`but i lik ehaving reminders of wtf i'm dong`
`09:43.00`	`nevcairiel`	`i switched to blood from frost and was like.. woah, this is much easier`
`09:43.01`	`mikma`	`http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_121509_175955.jpg <- 1 disease tanking rotation`
`09:43.03`	`jnwhiteh`	`NO DEATH GRIP GLYPH`
`09:43.06`	`jnwhiteh`	`??`
`09:43.09`	`jnwhiteh`	`lol`
`09:43.15`	`mikma`	`nope, there's not enough slots`
`09:43.54`	`olafski`	`death grip glyph :<`
`09:44.42`	`mikma`	`it's lots of fun in UK or UP, which one had the skellies at the start`
`09:44.51`	`mikma`	`DG, bam, DG, bam, DG, bam`
`09:44.56`	`mikma`	`people will start asking questions :D`
`09:45.26`	`olafski`	`:)`
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`09:46.05`	`jnwhiteh`	`can you still not runeforge heirlooms?`
`09:46.11`	`olafski`	`no`
`09:46.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`grr`
`09:46.36`	`Fisker`	`indeed`
`09:46.37`	`jnwhiteh`	`crusader it is, again =/`
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`09:46.50`	`olafski`	`not much point at lvl 71 I'd say`
`09:47.06`	`jnwhiteh`	`its an heirloom, i'll use it =)`
`09:47.19`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: just pick up some 2h for tanking ^^ it doesn't matter what it is`
`09:47.25`	`jnwhiteh`	`but.. but..`
`09:47.28`	`jnwhiteh`	`i have my heirloom!`
`09:47.41`	`olafski`	`+25 defense > heirloom`
`09:47.54`	`mikma`	`^-- what he said`
`09:48.14`	`olafski`	`there are so many 2h weapons as quest rewards you should be able to get one that is at least close to your heirloom`
`09:48.25`	`olafski`	`and at 80 you can just take that ebon blade sword or something`
`09:48.39`	`jnwhiteh`	`too bad I dont have +25 defense...`
`09:48.44`	`olafski`	`oO`
`09:48.45`	`jnwhiteh`	`or what are you saying`
`09:48.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`that's not a rune, is it?`
`09:48.51`	`olafski`	`since you're probably nearly revered with them when you hit 80 already, and can buy the rest for emblems ;)`
`09:48.55`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: it is actually`
`09:49.01`	`jnwhiteh`	`well you dont have it at level 71`
`09:49.02`	`jnwhiteh`	`so =)`
`09:49.03`	`olafski`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=62158`
`09:49.08`	`olafski`	`level 40 it says`
`09:49.25`	`mikma`	`Requires lvl 72 to learn.`
`09:49.27`	`mikma`	`from comments`
`09:49.36`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah`
`09:49.42`	`jnwhiteh`	`so i'll go with this for a level`
`09:49.44`	`olafski`	`oh.. hm`
`09:49.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`and find a wep`
`09:50.15`	`jnwhiteh`	`maybe there's a 2h in teh guild bank`
`09:50.15`	`jnwhiteh`	`lol`
`09:50.35`	`mikma`	`hehe`
`09:50.46`	`olafski`	`just do Last Rites in borean tundra`
`09:50.49`	`olafski`	`or something similar :)`
`09:50.52`	`mikma`	`we could do the borean tundra quest for you`
`09:51.14`	`jnwhiteh`	`i'm bound to BT right now`
`09:51.21`	`olafski`	`:)`
`09:51.28`	`olafski`	`note that it's +25 defense, not defense rating`
`09:51.38`	`olafski`	`a very awesome enchant`
`09:51.40`	`jnwhiteh`	`but i'm ehaded into the office.`
`09:51.58`	`olafski`	`mm 6 more frost emblems to get the corroded skeleton key`
`09:54.06`	`mikma`	`nyah nyah i already have it!`
`09:54.25`	`olafski`	`:)`
`09:54.33`	`olafski`	`I went on a 2 week vacation so couldn't do the daily heroic thing :<`
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`09:55.21`	`jnwhiteh`	`hrm, price on crusader enchant went up`
`09:55.22`	`jnwhiteh`	`fuck that`
`09:55.58`	`jnwhiteh`	`I have [Combatant Greatsword], and [Featherweight Claymore]`
`09:55.59`	`jnwhiteh`	`lol`
`09:56.10`	`Phaqui`	`I am trying to retrieve the whole string that is entered when I enter a slash command. I have set up my code like this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131291 When I enter something like "/ta test" it prints a large table with lots of fields (tabCompleteIndex, matches, language, plus a whole lot more), and there's also a field called "text" - but it's empty).. Can someone explain this to me? The page on wowwiki describing how to make a slash com`
`09:56.49`	`nevcairiel`	`change TestAddon:SlashCmdHandler to TestAddon.SlashCmdHandler`
`09:56.54`	`nevcairiel`	`note the : and .`
`09:58.08`	`jnwhiteh`	`alright, I'm off to the office`
`09:58.17`	`jnwhiteh`	`mikma: I'll check with you abou tthat quest later =)`
`09:58.34`	`Phaqui`	`What if I want to access members of a TestAddon-object from within my SlashCmdHandler?`
`09:59.09`	`nevcairiel`	`You could write a wrapper function that does it properly`
`09:59.23`	`nevcairiel`	`function(message) TestAddon:SlashCmdHandler(message) end`
`09:59.55`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: sure :)`
`10:01.26`	`Phaqui`	`Hmm... I'm thinking the slash command handler function only recieves 1 argument, even if it's defined with : ?`
`10:01.53`	`nevcairiel`	`it receives two, message and the editbox`
`10:02.03`	`nevcairiel`	`but if you use : it'll eat the first argument into "self"`
`10:02.07`	`Phaqui`	`yeah`
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`10:02.41`	`Phaqui`	`so the table I saw when using : was actually the "editbox" argument?`
`10:02.47`	`nevcairiel`	`yes`
`10:02.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`10:02.50`	`Phaqui`	`aha`
`10:02.52`	`Phaqui`	`I get it`
`10:03.16`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: now i am ready.`
`10:03.29`	`jnwhiteh`	`but I'm leaving to go to the office =/`
`10:03.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`I meant this evening`
`10:03.34`	`jnwhiteh`	`and you dont need to be around`
`10:03.38`	`jnwhiteh`	`I just need to know what quest it is =)`
`10:04.15`	`mikma`	`it's the "defeat the big badass at Temple city of En'Kilah" :D`
`10:04.22`	`jnwhiteh`	`lol`
`10:04.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`whats the wep it gives yo`
`10:04.35`	`jnwhiteh`	`uand i'll just leavei t up in my browser`
`10:04.42`	`mikma`	`momentos`
`10:05.24`	`mikma`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=38237`
`10:05.34`	`mikma`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12019`
`10:06.01`	`nevcairiel`	`oh yeah that weapon is nice`
`10:06.03`	`nevcairiel`	`i had that too`
`10:06.05`	`jnwhiteh`	`thx`
`10:06.24`	`mikma`	`then the next weapon is from ...`
`10:06.45`	`mikma`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=12948 -> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41816`
`10:06.50`	`nevcairiel`	`if you're careful you can even solo it`
`10:07.07`	`mikma`	`sure, when you are level80`
`10:07.14`	`jnwhiteh`	`alright`
`10:07.15`	`jnwhiteh`	`gotta run`
`10:07.16`	`jnwhiteh`	`ttyl =)`
`10:07.20`	`jnwhiteh`	`or at work :P`
`10:07.28`	`nevcairiel`	`the last rites thing? that works with some extra care`
`10:07.46`	`mikma`	`the boss hits like a train :(`
`10:08.12`	`nevcairiel`	`let the funny npc tank for a while`
`10:08.36`	`nevcairiel`	`and the debuff is evil`
`10:08.45`	`mikma`	`extra evil`
`10:08.50`	`mikma`	`eevil!`
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`10:37.52`	`mikma`	`http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info11731-LonnyTooltip4.html`
`10:43.20`	`Fisker`	`mikmamen`
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`11:05.24`	`Wobin`	`resilience isn't much use to pve bears, right?`
`11:09.26`	`amro`	`it's not much use in pve in general`
`11:11.12`	`Wobin`	`well, it can be used in place of defense`
`11:11.32`	`Wobin`	`but I was wondering if there was any further advantages for resil aside from the crit reduction`
`11:11.40`	`Wobin`	`but it seems, for a bear, not at all`
`11:12.13`	`amro`	`defense is better as it also improves avoidance`
`11:12.18`	`Wobin`	`yeah`
`11:12.21`	`Stanzilla`	`the relentless boots are BiS for feral tanks tho`
`11:12.28`	`amro`	`and once you're uncrittable, resilience is useless`
`11:12.30`	`Wobin`	`trying to get some pre80 LW gear for my bear`
`11:13.04`	`amro`	`pre80 gear isn't hugely important so you can get away with resilience, especially since you can be crit probably`
`11:13.56`	`Wobin`	`only in tanking 80 instances`
`11:14.04`	`Wobin`	`mostly`
`11:14.19`	`Fisker`	`hey Wobin`
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`11:28.22`	`Ne-vyn`	`bear's can't be crit through talents I thought :/`
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`11:34.21`	`Corrodias`	`in the good old days of 2.4, you still needed some effort from gear`
`11:35.29`	`nevcairiel`	`it was pretty annoying though`
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`11:38.06`	`zenzio`	`I'm pretty annoyed by the Cataclysm defence change. I like that aspect of warrior tanking. For the other classes I suppose it may make things better`
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`11:57.52`	`mikma`	`well, better and better ^^`
`11:57.58`	`mikma`	`dk loves defense`
`11:59.49`	`amro`	`I thought dk loved bananas`
`12:00.06`	`amro`	`and barrels`
`12:00.54`	`mikma`	`depends of the dk`
`12:01.52`	`amro`	`if it's the one with a red tie with "DK" on it, then yes`
`12:02.05`	`mikma`	`dick?`
`12:02.12`	`amro`	`Donkey Kong.`
`12:02.15`	`mikma`	`dk with red tie!`
`12:04.13`	`mikma`	`ok now, anyone here has some awesome powerleveling guide for JC and Mining?`
`12:12.17`	`mikma`	`http://mikma.pastey.net/131296`
`12:12.21`	`mikma`	`there's the start lolz`
`12:13.41`	`Kalroth`	`keep delicate copper wire`
`12:14.41`	`Kalroth`	`does it scan the AH to find the cheapest parts too, mikma`
`12:15.00`	`mikma`	`kalroth: err, no it prints a line in the chat!`
`12:15.13`	`Kalroth`	`well that may have been an early version!`
`12:16.41`	`Adys`	`Can't wait for an addon which, as soon as invited to a raid, slams an IQ test in your face. If you fail the test you are instakicked out of the raid. Now that would be awesome.`
`12:16.42`	`Adys`	`hmm`
`12:16.48`	`Adys`	`anyone wanna do this? =P`
`12:17.08`	`mikma`	`adys: pprovost is on it actually`
`12:17.37`	`Kalroth`	`fuck IQ tests, it needs to be an encounter knowledge test`
`12:17.50`	`Kalroth`	`I've seen smart people stand in fire because they didn't know it was bad`
`12:17.55`	`nevcairiel`	`both, tbh`
`12:18.06`	`Adys`	`ya`
`12:18.23`	`nevcairiel`	`Kalroth: they cant be that smart then`
`12:18.24`	`nevcairiel`	`i mean`
`12:18.26`	`nevcairiel`	`standing in fire?`
`12:18.29`	`nevcairiel`	`helloooo?`
`12:18.29`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`12:18.37`	`Kalroth`	`high IQ != good at WoW :)`
`12:18.39`	`amro`	`it's cold in northrend`
`12:18.46`	`mikma`	`haha`
`12:18.55`	`Adys`	`admittedly`
`12:19.03`	`Adys`	`its not that cold everywhere in northrend`
`12:19.11`	`amro`	`plus the great forge in ironforge makes for a great bath`
`12:19.13`	`Adys`	`and some encounters you need to stand in weird shit to get power ups`
`12:19.17`	`amro`	`so why not a tiny patch of fire?`
`12:19.46`	`Kalroth`	`Shade of Aran was the ultimate casual killer`
`12:19.53`	`mikma`	`now all i REALLY need is one awesome powerleveling guide for professions to copy ^^`
`12:20.04`	`Kalroth`	`After 3 years of "DONT STAND IN FIRE", it's suddenly "OKAY STAND IN FIRE"`
`12:20.56`	`nevcairiel`	`it was just "dont move through the firewall surrounding you"`
`12:21.05`	`nevcairiel`	`there wasnt actually fire below you!`
`12:22.31`	`Kalroth`	`it was fire and it was around you`
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`12:24.59`	`mikma`	`god damnit`
`12:26.16`	`mikma`	`this looks bloody horrible in the chat hehe`
`12:26.35`	`mikma`	`kinda need to do a frame that has 3-4 frames in it :(`
`12:28.27`	`mikma`	`http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_011110_142656.jpg`
`12:28.41`	`Adys`	`horde didnt win wg a single time for the past 48 hours3`
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`12:38.27`	`Kalroth`	`Adys: fail server you're on`
`12:38.44`	`Adys`	`more like fail horde my server's with`
`12:38.57`	`Kalroth`	`well didnt you move to a french server`
`12:39.08`	`Adys`	`watno`
`12:39.16`	`Kalroth`	`yes you did`
`12:39.25`	`Adys`	`bloodhoof, its english`
`12:39.35`	`Adys`	`id never move to a french server`
`12:39.39`	`Adys`	`i might get stuck with Bibi-`
`12:40.40`	`amro`	`chasseur too.`
`12:42.56`	`augustl`	`say you're implementing your own scroll view. Creating new frames all the time is a bad thing, right? I should keep track of the frames I created and re-use old frames?`
`12:43.24`	`amro`	`augustl: reuse frames`
`12:43.46`	`augustl`	`follow up question: is there a lib that does this? A wrapper for CreateFrame, and a sort of retain count that lets me tag frames as "reusable".`
`12:44.16`	`augustl`	`not that it would be very hard to write one myself. I'm a fan of toolkits, though ;)`
`12:44.34`	`Adys`	`toolkits in wow are bad`
`12:44.35`	`amro`	`what are you trying to do that would require that?`
`12:44.48`	`Fisker`	`stop using hack Adys`
`12:45.45`	`amro`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx-67JQn1JU#t=2m15s <- what's the name for this psychological phenomenon?`
`12:46.24`	`Fisker`	`wow that looks pretty boring amro!`
`12:46.47`	`amro`	`probably cause you have no clue what's going on`
`12:48.18`	`Fisker`	`that doesn't make it any less boring`
`12:48.43`	`amro`	`go watch wow arena vids or some other lame competition`
`12:50.00`	`Vilkku`	`anyone happen to remember what event is fired when the "dungeon group is ready" box pops up?`
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`13:00.24`	`augustl`	`Adys: how so?`
`13:00.32`	`augustl`	`amro: a very custom chat view`
`13:00.59`	`amro`	`that doesn't tell me anything :P`
`13:01.07`	`augustl`	`link was on it's way ;)`
`13:01.11`	`augustl`	`something along the lines of http://campfirenow.com/`
`13:01.26`	`augustl`	`mainly the grouping`
`13:01.38`	`augustl`	`of both nicknames and timestamps`
`13:02.07`	`amro`	`you don't need to create extra frames for that`
`13:02.26`	`augustl`	`I'm thinking too much <div> I guess =P`
`13:02.43`	`augustl`	`amro: the only alternative to frames are fontstrings, right?`
`13:03.01`	`augustl`	`"alternative to frames" is probably not the right term`
`13:03.49`	`amro`	`I'd take a look at ChatFrame.lua, or wherever the base implementation is`
`13:05.34`	`augustl`	`good idea`
`13:12.01`	`Wobin`	`hm`
`13:12.10`	`Wobin`	`I might use how campfire filters chats for HeyFu`
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`13:14.02`	`Adys`	`Shadowed: ping`
`13:14.41`	`augustl`	`Blizz' UI code is pretty monolithic ><`
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`13:17.10`	`Fisker`	`amro why would i watch wow arena vids?`
`13:17.32`	`augustl`	`amro: it seems to boil down to AddMessage`
`13:17.40`	`amro`	`Fisker: because you don't seem to have any appreciation for real competitive games`
`13:17.56`	`augustl`	`so I guess I'll use that, and just keep track of state and AddMessage with/without nicknames, timestamp separators, etc.`
`13:17.58`	`amro`	`augustl: is AddMessage implemented in lua?`
`13:18.03`	`augustl`	`doesn't seem like ti is`
`13:18.04`	`augustl`	`it is*`
`13:18.13`	`zenzio`	`you can hook it at least`
`13:18.15`	`augustl`	`it's a Frame method afaik`
`13:18.34`	`augustl`	`MessageFrame - http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/MessageFrame/AddMessage`
`13:18.35`	`Fisker`	`i hardly find buttonmashers competitive amro`
`13:18.37`	`zenzio`	`I've hooked the AddMessage function on the default chat frames`
`13:19.13`	`augustl`	`doesn't seem like the flow is controllable, though`
`13:19.19`	`zenzio`	`in what way?`
`13:19.32`	`augustl`	`i.e. if it should start to fill from the top or from the bottom, which direction it should grow etc.`
`13:19.52`	`zenzio`	`ah, don't know whether you can do anything about those`
`13:19.56`	`augustl`	`it is to some degree, afaik, but it doesn't seem to be very fine grained`
`13:20.29`	`augustl`	`then again, if I use AddMessage, it'll behave sort of like the default chat does, so I guess I should just follow the existing UI conventions ; )`
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`13:38.53`	`Wobin`	`http://www.flickr.com/photos/apelad/4232504604/`
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`13:48.27`	`Fisker`	`Wobin`
`13:48.36`	`Fisker`	`lets go brrr outside Lopeppeppy's house`
`13:49.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's very cold, but not quite as bad as yesterday. Below freezing, but above zero!`
`13:49.30`	`Wobin`	`Fisker, it was 45 degrees in Melbourne today`
`13:49.43`	`Wobin`	`we don't -do- brrr here at this time of year`
`13:50.37`	`Fisker`	`Lopeppeppy's house -isn't- in melbourne`
`13:50.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Very not.`
`13:51.03`	`Wobin`	`See, there's your problem`
`13:51.07`	`Wobin`	`if it was`
`13:51.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Very true`
`13:51.10`	`Wobin`	`there wouldn't be brr`
`13:56.58`	`Fisker`	`i hope it isn't brr for DHL though`
`13:57.24`	`ckknight`	`happy birthday, Cairenn\|afk`
`13:57.31`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`thanks ckknight :)`
`13:57.51`	`Wobin`	`happy birthday Cairenn!`
`13:58.30`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`thanks Wobin :)`
`13:59.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Happy birthday again!`
`14:00.01`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`thanks Lopeppeppy :)`
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`14:02.14`	`Adys`	`happy birthday`
`14:02.22`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`thanks Adys :)`
`14:04.00`	`Fisker`	`Yeah happy 13th anniversary day of forgetting my birthday :(`
`14:04.11`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`:p`
`14:05.05`	`olafski`	`congratulations :)`
`14:05.26`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`thanks olafski`
`14:05.39`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`wonder if I can sleep yet? /goes to try again`
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`14:08.00`	`olafski`	`some guy I just played with said I can mail heirlooms cross-realm.. is that true? I thought it was only cross-faction on the same realm`
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`14:10.38`	`Kraps`	`morning`
`14:11.00`	`olafski`	`hai`
`14:11.57`	`Kraps`	`how r u?`
`14:13.24`	`Fisker`	`olafski only crossfaction unless they changed something recently`
`14:17.57`	`olafski`	`yer that's what I thought.. shame ;) I'll have to keep autoattacking with a white weapon`
`14:18.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Awwww.`
`14:19.45`	`olafski`	`;)`
`14:20.08`	`olafski`	`not much of a problem.. at lvl 16 I'll get another instant attack!`
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`14:25.15`	`zenzio`	`I remember how awesome I felt as a new player, after all my first ability was called Heroic Strike. And at level 10 I had shown such promise that I was awarded a point for my talents!`
`14:25.56`	`olafski`	`:)))`
`14:25.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I remember not knowing about talent points until like... level 30something. I discovered them in a cave in the Blasted Lands, IIRC.`
`14:26.15`	`olafski`	`you were level 30 in blasted lands? :(`
`14:26.28`	`zenzio`	`Badlands?`
`14:26.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Maybe it wasn't there. It was in a cave hunting dinosaurs for scales, and I was under-level for the area.`
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`14:26.51`	`Wobin`	`you can transfer heirloom items crossfaction`
`14:26.53`	`zenzio`	`I noticed the blinking talent icon when I dinged 10, but I didn't notice the talent trees until about level 30`
`14:26.55`	`Wobin`	`it just takes $15`
`14:27.08`	`olafski`	`wobin: :)`
`14:27.09`	`Wobin`	`Lopeppeppy, Wailing Caverns? =)`
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`14:27.21`	`zenzio`	`level 30 would not be underleveled for WC`
`14:27.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No, silly goose.`
`14:27.48`	`zenzio`	`dragon scales, could have been Dustwallow Marsh?`
`14:28.09`	`Wobin`	`DW is more 45-50`
`14:28.18`	`Wobin`	`oh wait`
`14:28.21`	`olafski`	`more like 35-40`
`14:28.21`	`Wobin`	`no, it's 40ish`
`14:28.21`	`zenzio`	`no, 30-40`
`14:28.29`	`Wobin`	`cause I remember boomkinning it`
`14:28.30`	`zenzio`	`and she did say she was underleveled`
`14:28.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Burning Steppes, that's it.`
`14:28.41`	`zenzio`	`Wobin: they redid it some patches ago, remember`
`14:28.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I get those all messed up.`
`14:28.54`	`zenzio`	`Lopeppeppy: you'd be very underleveled for that one at 30 o_O`
`14:29.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I was. Very underleveled.`
`14:29.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I was in Ungoro when I was only level 20. Blame it on a bored level 60 hunter who thought it was fun to show me the sights.`
`14:30.09`	`zenzio`	`a bored, mischiveous hunter? eyes Cairenn`
`14:30.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh no, this was a boy who wanted to hit on me lots.`
`14:30.50`	`zenzio`	`hides`
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`14:45.34`	`Fisker`	`http://gizmodo.com/5445065/apple-approves-porn-app-in-under-12-hours <-win`
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`14:51.59`	`Kraps`	`Fisker: "I can think about another app in the iPhone that does exactly what forChan does. It comes from the factory. Its name is Safari."`
`14:54.23`	`Fisker`	`Kraps: "ForChan"`
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`14:54.44`	`Kraps`	`obvious name is obvious`
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`15:04.47`	`Kraps`	`is is possible to make an addon that show distance to a target?`
`15:05.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Not specifically, Kraps. You can use spells with ranges to check the approximate range of a target, but not the exact range.`
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`15:09.02`	`A-KO`	`actually, you can in the real game world`
`15:09.27`	`A-KO`	`but only for players in your group/etc.`
`15:11.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sorry, I was making the assumption that target = random mob, which as A-KO points out, might not be true.`
`15:12.52`	`A-KO`	`pretty sure if it can be tracked on the actual game world map the distance can be checked. I think for higher dungeons you might be able to do this now, too.`
`15:13.20`	`A-KO`	`but it's difficult, because in order ot get those positions you have to close and open the game map quickly`
`15:13.24`	`A-KO`	`so it's not really all that useful`
`15:13.28`	`A-KO`	`but you can do it`
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`15:15.29`	`Fisker`	`quethelper can do some kind of estimation stuff`
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`15:21.56`	`Ackis`	`omg new pokemon DS game coming out!! 11!!`
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`16:12.32`	`Lunessa`	`... I hate password expiration week...`
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`16:14.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ouch. hug`
`16:14.41`	`Ginji`	`password expiration is silly`
`16:15.17`	`Ginji`	`It'll only lead to people writing passwords on sticky notes`
`16:15.49`	`Fisker`	`agreed!`
`16:16.08`	`kdtresh`	`especially when complexity requirements are involved`
`16:16.37`	`Lunessa`	`I'd rather deal with this than all the professors who got hacked because they used their user id as their password.`
`16:17.12`	`kdtresh`	`i read something a little while back that said the most common passwords are still "1234" and "password"`
`16:22.02`	`Lunessa`	`We had one professor get hacked and his machine zombied like 5 times. I lobbied for taking away his computer. I lost.`
`16:25.38`	`cbreak`	`get him a mac`
`16:25.47`	`cbreak`	`zombie controllers don't seem to try to use them yet`
`16:26.05`	`cbreak`	`or maybe a solaris. I doubt any zombie controller will bother with those at any time`
`16:26.31`	`kdtresh`	`we never had any zombie problems in our irix lab`
`16:26.58`	`kdtresh`	`of course, i don't think anyone actually /used/ the irix lab`
`16:28.55`	`Ackis`	`hey anyone have dr pepper in their house with the xbox codes on them right now?`
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`16:41.50`	`frontendloader`	`Ackis: Sounds like its time for some rom hacking to make AckisPkmnList`
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`16:52.07`	`Ackis`	`Pkmn?`
`16:52.32`	`Adys`	`lol`
`16:52.47`	`Lunessa`	`~seen tekkub`
`16:52.51`	`purl`	`tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 8h 53m 5s ago, saying: 'so what you're saying is, you're inefficient and when you try something efficient it's "easy"'.`
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`16:58.54`	`Adys`	`~ping`
`16:58.55`	`purl`	`~pong`
`17:00.21`	`haste`	`~pong`
`17:00.21`	`purl`	`~ping`
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`17:01.23`	`Ackis`	`~ding`
`17:01.24`	`purl`	`dong`
`17:02.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`The witch is dead. Stop dinging her.`
`17:02.21`	`Kraps`	`lol purl said dong`
`17:02.56`	`haste`	`~penis`
`17:02.57`	`purl`	`hmm... penis is the DESTROYER of worlds`
`17:03.43`	`Kraps`	`i think boobs are btw`
`17:04.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No, we built the world. :)`
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`17:05.38`	`haste`	`~boobs`
`17:05.39`	`purl`	`boobs are awesome`
`17:05.45`	`haste`	`purl agrees`
`17:06.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Of course she does.`
`17:07.24`	`Fisker`	`slaps haste around a bit with a large trout`
`17:08.54`	`Fisker`	`oh yay jnwhiteh`
`17:09.01`	`Fisker`	`According to DHL, Google used a delivery method which meant they can't track the package until it arrives, and that it will arrive sometime before Wednesday`
`17:09.02`	`Fisker`	`;3`
`17:09.12`	`Shadowed`	`Adys: pong`
`17:09.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`The mystery deepens!`
`17:09.27`	`Fisker`	`funny how it's worked for others then`
`17:09.36`	`Kraps`	`Fisker: what are you waiting on?`
`17:10.07`	`Ackis`	`Kraps: he ordered sex toys`
`17:10.19`	`Kraps`	`oh nice`
`17:10.21`	`Fisker`	`yeah`
`17:10.24`	`Fisker`	`one of them real dolls`
`17:10.39`	`Fisker`	`but reall dolls have like a 1000% import duty so i'm ordering through jnwhiteh`
`17:19.34`	`durcyn`	`http://www.bobhobbs.com/files/kr_lovecraft.html heh.`
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`17:39.20`	`Lunessa`	`Still full of win: http://runleiarun.com/lebowski/`
`17:40.58`	`nicoli_s`	`that is very much full of win`
`17:41.36`	`_rane`	`found it tldr for my attention span`
`17:42.01`	`nicoli_s`	`yah, im def not gonna read it, but just the fact that it exists is awesome`
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`17:54.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`<vent>grrrr....if you dont find something funny DONT USE LOL...</vent>`
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`18:13.28`	`Josh_Borke`	`Cairenn\|afk: happy birthday`
`18:14.46`	`alestane`	`Yay!`
`18:15.21`	`Kraps`	`hey guys, I occasionally get a message in chat similar to this, what does it mean?`
`18:15.23`	`Kraps`	`AceTimer-3.0: Warning: The addon/module 'table: 1C6EE98' has 192 live timers. Surely that's not intended?`
`18:15.40`	`Josh_Borke`	`Kraps: it means you have a bad addon somewhere`
`18:16.46`	`Kraps`	`"bad" as in not updated?`
`18:17.04`	`Josh_Borke`	`Kraps: bad as in poorly written`
`18:17.16`	`Josh_Borke`	`Kraps: bad as in doing something that is "not intended"`
`18:19.09`	`Kraps`	`is that bad?`
`18:19.47`	`Josh_Borke`	`(01:15:39 PM) Josh_Borke: Kraps: it means you have a bad addon somewhere`
`18:19.56`	`Josh_Borke`	`(01:17:03 PM) Josh_Borke: Kraps: bad as in poorly written`
`18:20.03`	`Josh_Borke`	`(01:15:23 PM) Kraps: AceTimer-3.0: Warning: The addon/module 'table: 1C6EE98' has 192 live timers. Surely that's not intended?`
`18:20.05`	`Josh_Borke`	`yes, it's bad`
`18:20.28`	`Kraps`	`is it gamebreaking?`
`18:20.57`	`Kraps`	`doesnt seem to do anything except that message`
`18:21.14`	`Kraps`	`the game doesnt seem to be affected`
`18:21.56`	`Vilkku`	`how do I get the number of entries in a table?`
`18:22.22`	`Josh_Borke`	`Kraps: you are just being made aware of the problem, it is your choice whether to do something about it or not. it's like a scab that doesn't go away. you could leave it alone or you could go to a doctor for help`
`18:22.51`	`Josh_Borke`	`Vilkku: by iterating over all the entries in the table: count=0; while next(tblEntry); do count = count + 1; end; print(count)`
`18:23.23`	`Vilkku`	`Josh_Borke, I guess I need to be reminded of this again and again :P cheers`
`18:23.57`	`Fisker`	`btw Cairenn\|afk has a binary birthday!`
`18:25.21`	`Vilkku`	`11?`
`18:25.27`	`Seerah`	`11110`
`18:26.03`	`Vilkku`	`that means everyone always has a binary birthday? :P`
`18:26.23`	`Seerah`	`huh?`
`18:27.07`	`Vilkku`	`why is specifically this birthday a binary birthday?`
`18:27.15`	`Fisker`	`1's and 0's`
`18:27.19`	`Seerah`	`because it's all 1s and 0s`
`18:27.24`	`Vilkku`	`oh the date`
`18:27.28`	`Vilkku`	`I was just thinking about the age :P`
`18:27.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`uhh...2010`
`18:27.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`there is a 2`
`18:27.44`	`Seerah`	`011110`
`18:27.48`	`Seerah`	`:)`
`18:28.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`01112010`
`18:28.13`	`EthanCentaurai`	`110110 here in Europe :)`
`18:28.22`	`EthanCentaurai`	`uhh`
`18:28.28`	`EthanCentaurai`	`that was yesterday`
`18:28.31`	`EthanCentaurai`	`fails.`
`18:28.36`	`Fisker`	`i hate you Thunder_Child`
`18:28.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`why thank you Fisker`
`18:29.05`	`EthanCentaurai`	`needs more coffee.`
`18:29.14`	`nevcairiel`	`110110 is today, wtf are you smoking`
`18:29.20`	`nevcairiel`	`100110 was yesterday`
`18:29.21`	`EthanCentaurai`	`what the hell's wrong with me? :/`
`18:29.56`	`Lunessa`	`Shall we give you a list?`
`18:30.14`	`EthanCentaurai`	`:P`
`18:30.24`	`EthanCentaurai`	`bloody long list :D`
`18:30.41`	`Kraps`	`why isnt auctioneer in the Minion?`
`18:30.49`	`EthanCentaurai`	`I'm gonna log off, bye!`
`18:32.38`	`nevcairiel`	`anyway another binary dates coming up this year in a few month :P`
`18:32.44`	`Fisker`	`oh boy oh boy`
`18:32.48`	`Fisker`	`http://twitter.com/wowleak <-lol'd`
`18:32.56`	`nevcairiel`	`and next year too!`
`18:32.58`	`Fisker`	`if only Pixel were still here`
`18:32.59`	`nevcairiel`	`did they post new shit?`
`18:33.16`	`Fisker`	`yeah`
`18:33.32`	`Fisker`	`i wonder if they figured that: https://beta.wow-europe.com/expansion/`
`18:34.17`	`Kraps`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:34.41`	`nevcairiel`	`its a blank page, but not 404`
`18:34.51`	`Kraps`	`yeah`
`18:35.26`	`Kraps`	`WHICH MUST MEAN SOMETHING RIGHT????!!!!!`
`18:35.43`	`Teomyr`	`remember http://www.wow-europe.com/barbie :P`
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`18:39.15`	`Fisker`	`ye`
`18:42.07`	`Adys`	`lol`
`18:48.05`	`Adys`	`\|cffffd100Tip:\|r You can download free programs to regularly scan your machine for malicious software including keyloggers.`
`18:50.14`	`Fisker`	`something new or?`
`18:52.30`	`foxlit`	`That so has to be an entry vector`
`18:52.53`	`foxlit`	`"Hi, we at blizzard think you need an antivirus. Download a free one by clicking here, and protect your keys."`
`18:54.14`	`A-KO`	`it already is`
`18:54.15`	`zenzelezz`	`that, or they're just really fed up with people getting their accounts "hacked"`
`18:54.25`	`A-KO`	`lol`
`18:54.56`	`A-KO`	`how many account hacks do yo uthink are directly related to either account sharing or account selling?`
`18:54.59`	`A-KO`	`I'd bet a good 20-30%`
`18:55.19`	`kdtresh`	`what if you lump in gold buying/selling?`
`18:55.36`	`A-KO`	`buying and selling gold doesn't get your account hacked`
`18:55.40`	`nevcairiel`	`how does gold buying compromise your account?`
`18:55.42`	`A-KO`	`or shouldn't, anyway.`
`18:56.05`	`kdtresh`	`well, i can't say i've ever done it, but i've heard they ask for info`
`18:56.11`	`_rane`	`they don't`
`18:56.18`	`foxlit`	`numbers pulled out of a dark place, really.`
`18:56.35`	`foxlit`	`Well, suppose you were running a gold selling business.`
`18:56.36`	`kdtresh`	`i see; disregard the comment, then ><`
`18:56.49`	`foxlit`	`You'd probably want some way to track your customers, so make them a username/email/password combo for your site.`
`18:57.01`	`A-KO`	`foxlit: all I know is, I've known a few people who have shared their accounts and watched things disappear, I also know people who sold their accounts but later wanted them back and repoted them as "hacked". On the flip side though, I also know someone who is an irc op for a major IRC network see his wow account hacked twice.`
`18:57.22`	`foxlit`	`At least some fraction of those credentials are also going to turn out to be valid wow credentials.`
`18:57.29`	`A-KO`	`true`
`18:57.30`	`_rane`	`foxlit: I wouldn't be surprised if even the respectable gold selling sites took advantage of that`
`18:59.19`	`Fisker`	`kdtresh there's some merit actually`
`18:59.23`	`PProvost`	`Funny that people spend as much time and money on their toons and don't think of it as something that needs to be secured and controlled.`
`18:59.28`	`Fisker`	`you register a user`
`18:59.41`	`Fisker`	`it's easy for them to check if the username and password fits on a wow account`
`18:59.49`	`_rane`	`do you read what's said at all?`
`19:01.08`	`A-KO`	`One of the things I did on my old guild webpage was put in bold letters on the signup page: DO NOT USE YOUR WOW ACCOUNT INFO`
`19:02.02`	`A-KO`	`I dunno, I think the mandatory authenticator or at the very least providing one in the Cataclysm box will go towards substantial lengths to cutting down account compromises.`
`19:02.02`	`foxlit`	`Hm, strange.`
`19:02.18`	`Kalroth`	`I got an anti-spam field that says "what is 5*5?", it catches most of the morons!`
`19:02.27`	`foxlit`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50208`
`19:02.32`	`A-KO`	`It's even more important now that D3 and SC2 will be tied to bnet accounts`
`19:02.49`	`Fisker`	`naw A-KO i'm so cool so i just ignore everyone`
`19:03.01`	`Kalroth`	`too cool to be fisker`
`19:03.09`	`foxlit`	`Kalroth: I drop posts from unknown accounts that contain URLs.`
`19:03.20`	`Fisker`	`yeah Kalroth`
`19:03.21`	`foxlit`	`[outside of a few trusted domains]`
`19:04.06`	`foxlit`	`^ Why does that item glow blue in the inspect screen, but red everywhere else?`
`19:04.13`	`Kalroth`	`sweet, apparently I can "pamper myself in a luxury r0lex watch"`
`19:04.44`	`foxlit`	`[er, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47705]`
`19:04.58`	`Kalroth`	`oh and Blizzard has sent me 8 emails about my "world of warecraft" account security`
`19:05.29`	`kdtresh`	`Kalroth: do they ask for your username and password and then tell you they'll never ask for your username or password?`
`19:06.18`	`Kalroth`	`kdtresh: yes, apparently they need my username and password to verify that its really me so they dont have to tell me not to hand out username and password again`
`19:06.33`	`kdtresh`	`yes`
`19:07.56`	`Phaqui`	`kdtresh, seems reasonable, doesn't it?`
`19:08.03`	`Phaqui`	`Kalroth *`
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`19:08.46`	`Kalroth`	`Of course, I've already replied with information about both my accounts, just do they dont have to go through all this hassle agian`
`19:09.40`	`Kalroth`	`"we recommend you Login verify your password:" - now I know grammar isn't Blizzards strong side, but come on .. :p`
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`19:10.37`	`NeoTron`	`Kalroth: what you mean wrong is?`
`19:11.11`	`Kalroth`	`I not sure think they accidentally`
`19:12.33`	`NeoTron`	`They will do the needful`
`19:12.34`	`jnwhiteh`	`Fister: Nothing yet`
`19:12.47`	`NeoTron`	`we get trouble tickets asking us to "Please do the needful"`
`19:12.50`	`NeoTron`	`crack me up every time`
`19:14.23`	`Fisker`	`that's what you say jnwhiteh`
`19:18.06`	`Adys`	`Fisker, Kalroth`
`19:18.14`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/dungeonencounter.png`
`19:18.16`	`Adys`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=4422`
`19:18.28`	`Adys`	`someone needs to explain me wtf that last one is doing there.`
`19:18.44`	`Kalroth`	`the last one what?`
`19:18.49`	`Adys`	`Agathelos`
`19:18.50`	`Adys`	`at the bottom`
`19:19.14`	`A-KO`	`lol`
`19:19.17`	`Fisker`	`the new lich king duh`
`19:19.38`	`Kalroth`	`he's going to join the Lich King fight at 50%, yeah`
`19:20.14`	`Fisker`	`for a second btw i thought it was a mac`
`19:20.31`	`Kalroth`	`Adys: why are they unknowns! it's obvious what they are!`
`19:20.46`	`Adys`	`because i autogenerated it`
`19:21.03`	`Adys`	`1st col is map.dbc, 2nd col I guess heroic`
`19:21.17`	`Adys`	`3rd col no idea, 4th either... hmm, ordering in the instance i guess`
`19:23.13`	`Kalroth`	`Yeah, 4th is order for sure, third is probably some sort of "score" or value, but seeing as the pig got an odd value while the rest an even, I don't know`
`19:24.06`	`Adys`	`its for LFD`
`19:24.21`	`Kalroth`	`that could be, I don't think so though`
`19:24.45`	`Adys`	`theres no could, this dbc is loaded when the lfd interface is loaded`
`19:25.10`	`Kalroth`	`oh, then it's uhh, gearscore for the boss? :p`
`19:25.21`	`Kalroth`	`minimum, that is`
`19:25.34`	`Kalroth`	`11000 needed for lich king, get farming!`
`19:25.36`	`Adys`	`lol`
`19:26.12`	`Adys`	`would mean the little pig requires more gearscore than saurfang`
`19:26.26`	`Kalroth`	`well it IS a tough pig`
`19:26.32`	`Adys`	`like the dude said`
`19:26.34`	`Adys`	`he hits like a truck`
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`19:26.51`	`Adys`	`204/241 structures done`
`19:26.52`	`Adys`	`sigh`
`19:28.17`	`Adys`	`~ping`
`19:28.18`	`purl`	`~pong`
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`19:38.14`	`Adys`	`~ping`
`19:38.15`	`purl`	`~pong`
`19:40.03`	`Lunessa`	`durcyn: Thanks for the lovecraft/C thing. I now have cola all over the monitor.`
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`19:48.38`	`nicoli_s`	`working on dbcs adys? sounds fun`
`19:48.48`	`nevcairiel`	`adys is the dbc master`
`19:49.28`	`nicoli_s`	`lies, i is`
`19:53.42`	`Pneumatus`	`wowdb disagrees`
`19:54.33`	`nicoli_s`	`dude, i was figuring out dbc formats before wow beta`
`19:55.02`	`Adys`	`he who is older not always is the wiser`
`19:55.23`	`nicoli_s`	`who said i was older?`
`19:55.29`	`Adys`	`you did !`
`19:55.37`	`Adys`	`and you probably are`
`19:55.43`	`Adys`	`if you wanna help`
`19:55.44`	`nicoli_s`	`how old are you?`
`19:55.52`	`Adys`	`figure out the last float field in DungeonMapChunk.dbc`
`19:55.53`	`Adys`	`Im 18`
`19:56.01`	`nicoli_s`	`ahh well then i def am(24)`
`19:56.06`	`Adys`	`see!`
`19:56.39`	`nicoli_s`	`i miss the days when wow had the dbc structs in the client`
`19:56.53`	`Fisker`	`btw lol jnwhiteh`
`19:56.56`	`Adys`	`ya well cant rely on anything!`
`19:57.13`	`Adys`	`also nicoli_s, i can read a range of 5000 different itemcaches with the same structure`
`19:57.25`	`Adys`	`itemcache builds*`
`19:57.31`	`Fisker`	`the "UK" Adapter is just a US-UK plug as the charger itself support both power supplies`
`19:57.32`	`Fisker`	`hoho`
`19:57.37`	`Fisker`	`US->UK*`
`19:57.40`	`nicoli_s`	`thats cuz you got fancy toolzez`
`19:58.02`	`Adys`	`python ain't a tool, it's a destruction machine`
`19:58.10`	`nicoli_s`	`lol`
`19:58.29`	`Adys`	`nicoli_s: do you have any old itemcaches?`
`19:58.32`	`Adys`	`like older than 8268`
`19:58.37`	`nicoli_s`	`why accept old wdbs though, arent they by default old data?`
`19:58.40`	`nicoli_s`	`maybe lemme check`
`19:58.48`	`Adys`	`well its fun :P`
`19:58.59`	`Adys`	`also I do the same for dbcs`
`19:59.13`	`Adys`	`so I can still browse old data without worrying about changing structures and what not`
`19:59.22`	`nicoli_s`	`yeah, good point`
`19:59.38`	`Adys`	`its also damn useful on ptr builds :)`
`19:59.55`	`Adys`
`19:59.56`	`Adys`	`def changed_9551(self, base):`
`19:59.56`	`Adys`	`base.insert_field(IntegerField("min_players"), before="level_band")`
`19:59.56`	`Adys`	`base.update_locales(LOCALES)`
`19:59.56`	`Adys`	`base.append_fields(IntegerField("max_group_size"))`
`20:00.17`	`nicoli_s`	`but no old itemcache files here, this hasnt been my computer for too long`
`20:00.28`	`Adys`	`boo`
`20:00.39`	`nicoli_s`	`i can take a look at my old comp when i get home if you want`
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`20:25.51`	`Shirik`	`jnwhiteh, stand what?`
`20:26.15`	`Shirik`	`oh DKs`
`20:26.20`	`Shirik`	`because they're like...`
`20:26.22`	`Shirik`	`ew`
`20:30.41`	`Vilkku`	`when a function returns many thingies, like UnitBuff does, is there a way to only have a variable for the n:th thing it returns?`
`20:31.51`	`kd3`	`local _, _, _, sometingUseful = UnitBuff('target')`
`20:32.26`	`foxlit`	`select(42, UnitBuff("stuff"));`
`20:32.33`	`Adys`	`local foo = select(123, foo())`
`20:32.41`	`Vilkku`	`<3`
`20:33.13`	`Adys`	`both methods are fine, but on longer lists use select()`
`20:35.13`	`_rane`	`what's 123 there?`
`20:35.15`	`_rane`	`index?`
`20:35.21`	`kd3`	`ya`
`20:35.46`	`Fisker`	`kd3`
`20:35.49`	`Fisker`	`you're not worthy`
`20:35.53`	`kd3`	`indeed`
`20:36.17`	`Fisker`	`putricide is a jerk`
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`20:41.47`	`Stanzilla`	`and easy`
`20:48.03`	`foxlit`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=87 << That "A few layout questions" thread is awesome`
`20:48.40`	`foxlit`	`Its thumb down icon has "thumbs up" alt text in the thread index; and viewing the topic replaces both the icon and and the alt text with the question mark.`
`20:51.50`	`Fisker`	`that's interesting`
`20:52.00`	`Fisker`	`why do they make him untargetable after the 10 tries?`
`20:53.21`	`kd3`	`it's the 'stop failing you nubs' mode`
`20:55.15`	`Fisker`	`with the lag we've gone through it's pretty hard to succeed :P`
`20:58.37`	`kd3`	`hahaha... fark: "Man robs shoe store with a large rock. This would never happen if more people were allowed to carry concealed paper"`
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`21:04.08`	`Fisker`	`you can't argue with that kd3`
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`21:10.42`	`bleeter`	`"#WoW "win" is convincing the people in your random PuG you're legally blind, and heal by game sounds."`
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`21:18.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://blutube.policeone.com/Clip-fs.aspx?key=5E1E72EAE53841E3&overrideCF=FullScreen&playTime=0`
`21:19.14`	`comer`	`i have a question, ive been to get slashcommands working and this dosnt seem to be working, anyone know what could be messing us up? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131312`
`21:23.19`	`Shadowed`	`so uh`
`21:23.20`	`Shadowed`	`1/11 16:15:15.006 Interface\AddOns\Blizzard_DebugTools\Localization.lua:2: chunk has too many syntax levels`
`21:23.23`	`Shadowed`	`Anyone have an idea what that means?`
`21:23.49`	`Shadowed`	`I'm not really sure how someones managed to get that error`
`21:24.07`	`Adys`	`are you dumping anything?`
`21:24.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`batrick, Shirik: ^^^`
`21:24.10`	`Grum`	`comer: put some prints in it to debug it? also you use the global function 'handler' that could be overwritten later`
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`21:24.20`	`Grum`	`(by another addon for example)`
`21:24.33`	`comer`	`Grum: ahh ty`
`21:24.38`	`Shadowed`	`Adys: It's an error that pops up from someone using EG... localization has nothing in it anyway, I don't know if non-enUS locales have stuff in it either`
`21:24.57`	`Adys`	`EG?`
`21:25.08`	`Shadowed`	`elitist group`
`21:25.11`	`Adys`	`ah`
`21:25.30`	`Adys`	`ive no idea`
`21:25.34`	`Adys`	`check if it uses dump`
`21:25.36`	`Shadowed`	`It looks like it cascades and causes: 1/11 16:15:15.006 Frame <unnamed>: Unknown function ScriptErrorsFrameButton_OnClick in element OnClick after too for a bunch of thigns`
`21:25.39`	`Shadowed`	`... it's really weird`
`21:28.23`	`Shadowed`	`Yea the person is on enUS too, so localization.lua should not have anything in it`
`21:28.31`	`Shadowed`	`Whooo I broke the game... ?`
`21:28.32`	`foxlit`	`The game clearly despises elitists.`
`21:28.52`	`foxlit`	`and/or groups.`
`21:32.19`	`Shadowed`	`jnwhiteh, do you happen to know why ^ would happen?`
`21:32.44`	`jnwhiteh`	`I'm not sure I clearly know what is happening.`
`21:34.01`	`Shadowed`	`Somehow the FrameXML.log is giving those errors and breaking the debug tools`
`21:38.33`	`Fisker`	`i has free gaem jnwhiteh`
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`21:39.45`	`Aelobin`	`what lvl can you queue for WG? :P`
`21:39.54`	`kd3`	`10? 11?`
`21:40.05`	`foxlit`	`80?`
`21:40.14`	`Aelobin`	`i meant WG as in Wintergrasp :p`
`21:40.14`	`kd3`	`wintergrasp or warsong gulch?`
`21:40.19`	`kd3`	`oh, 77`
`21:40.21`	`Aelobin`	`sorry ^^`
`21:41.35`	`bleeter`	`anybody want some heat and humidity?`
`21:41.52`	`kd3`	`sure. we`
`21:42.01`	`kd3`	`'re above freezing for the first time in a week here today`
`21:42.20`	`bleeter`	`dcc's some 95+F to kd3`
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`21:42.48`	`NeoTron`	`plaguewing is a nice wing`
`21:42.51`	`NeoTron`	`it's actually not trivial`
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`21:45.31`	`Shadowed`	`Adys: ping`
`21:45.42`	`Adys`	`pong`
`21:51.48`	`zenzelezz`	`do some quests auto-accept now? Like starting area quests? Or have I acquired some addon that auto-accepts them for me o_O`
`21:52.11`	`Lunessa`	`You auto-get all the level 1 -10 quests now.`
`21:52.27`	`zenzelezz`	`oh, I see. Thanks`
`21:57.18`	`Fisker`	`omg Adys`
`21:57.24`	`Fisker`	`the cataclysm dvd is a confirmed fake!`
`21:57.29`	`Adys`	`WAT RLY`
`21:57.35`	`zenzelezz`	`U LIE`
`21:57.52`	`durcyn`	`fisker is a confirmed fake`
`21:58.13`	`Fisker`	`:(`
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`22:02.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`does this seem a bit odd "Professional COMPUTER TECH SUPPORT SPECIALIST is seeking a Computer Tech Support Specialist for our systems "`
`22:04.09`	`zenzelezz`	`no wai`
`22:05.02`	`zenzelezz`	`they're like computer game mods - they have SUPER AWESOME ideas of the new CS KILLER with FACEBOOK INTEGRATION. Need modelers, skinners, coders, map makers, texture artists, story writers...`
`22:05.16`	`zenzelezz`	`BUT WE HAVE THE SUPER AWESOME IDEA WORKED OUT!`
`22:06.08`	`zenzelezz`	`at least it used to be like that in Half-Life and Unreal Tournament`
`22:06.51`	`Lunessa`	`All U haf 2 do is login to r websitez 2 apply`
`22:07.17`	`zenzelezz`	`link archie and gs`
`22:08.23`	`foxlit`	`People who ask you to link your stats are the best.`
`22:08.55`	`Adys`	`I THINK PEOPLE WHO DONT LIKE THEIR STATS ARE DUM`
`22:09.25`	`zenzelezz`	`lf 6k+ dps be geared or dont /w`
`22:09.36`	`Lunessa`	`login nao n git ur prize`
`22:09.37`	`Dagmar`	`Man I hate that`
`22:09.56`	`Dagmar`	`There is no reasonable way someone can say they do 6k+ DPS by themselves`
`22:10.26`	`foxlit`	`So "in an average raid group" is implied.`
`22:11.29`	`Dagmar`	`I occasionally have good runs of ~4100 in a 5-man`
`22:11.46`	`Dagmar`	`God only knows what the buffs of 24 other random people might do tho`
`22:12.30`	`Fisker`	`damn`
`22:12.34`	`Fisker`	`where's our damn armory update?`
`22:13.38`	`zenzelezz`	`I've had a few "cool" moments in Random heroics... like having a rogue tell me "nice threat there :)"`
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`22:19.34`	`kdtresh`	`anybody have any experience with http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SelectTradeSkill?`
`22:20.03`	`Adys`	`Cide: omg`
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`22:20.49`	`Cide`	`hm?`
`22:21.24`	`Adys`	`Cide: http://dpaste.com/143854/`
`22:21.41`	`Adys`	`Thy, pretteh`
`22:22.04`	`kdtresh`	`anyone have any idea why DoTradeSkill(index) would work but SelectTradeSkill(index) wouldn't?`
`22:22.18`	`Adys`	`!api selecttradesk`
`22:22.19`	`lua_bot`	`SelectTradeSkill: Selects a recipe in the trade skill listing (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SelectTradeSkill)`
`22:22.19`	`Cide`	`why are you doing the different changed_xxx methods?`
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`22:22.37`	`Adys`	`Cide: it gives me support for concurrent branches`
`22:22.57`	`Adys`	`like 7500 bc live, 7800 wotlk beta, 7900 bc live`
`22:23.07`	`Cide`	`"meh"`
`22:23.20`	`Adys`	`hush, its AWESOME`
`22:23.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`jesus`
`22:23.31`	`Adys`	`nicoli_s: ^`
`22:23.35`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: lolo`
`22:23.38`	`jnwhiteh`	`300 riding skill is still 4500?`
`22:23.42`	`mikma`	`yea`
`22:23.53`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm concurrently in all ur branches, messing up ur dataz`
`22:23.55`	`jnwhiteh`	`wowow`
`22:23.56`	`Adys`	`jnwhiteh: now you get faction discount`
`22:24.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart zenzelezz`
`22:24.02`	`purl`	`slaps zenzelezz around with a large trout`
`22:24.03`	`Adys`	`you couldnt, before`
`22:24.07`	`jnwhiteh`	`Adys: hrm`
`22:24.08`	`jnwhiteh`	`how much is it?`
`22:24.12`	`Adys`	`20%`
`22:24.17`	`jnwhiteh`	`i'm honored`
`22:24.27`	`Adys`	`get exalted =P`
`22:24.28`	`zenzelezz`	`I believe base is still 5000`
`22:24.31`	`Adys`	`yeah`
`22:24.37`	`Adys`	`but you get to 4000 with exalted`
`22:24.49`	`jnwhiteh`	`but then I have to wait to buy it =)`
`22:24.56`	`Adys`	`QQQQQ!`
`22:25.00`	`jnwhiteh`	`i dont know that i need flying yet thoh`
`22:25.02`	`jnwhiteh`	`i'm only 71 =)`
`22:25.04`	`jnwhiteh`	`probably toh`
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`22:25.08`	`jnwhiteh`	`what would you suggest?`
`22:25.13`	`jnwhiteh`	`i have 8.7k on my druid`
`22:25.15`	`zenzelezz`	`so fly slowly for a while`
`22:25.18`	`Adys`	`if you got money to spare, go ahead`
`22:25.21`	`Adys`	`otherwise, wait`
`22:25.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`and dnot foget Cold flying as well`
`22:25.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`dont*`
`22:25.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`500 on my dk`
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`22:25.42`	`jnwhiteh`	`oh yeah, that's another 1k`
`22:25.43`	`jnwhiteh`	`isn't it`
`22:25.46`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: lolz lolz lolz. i'm lvl66 with mah rouge`
`22:25.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`2i thought`
`22:25.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`2K i*`
`22:26.07`	`jnwhiteh`	`well fuck that then`
`22:26.10`	`jnwhiteh`	`I can wait`
`22:26.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`though i cant remember, it has been a while`
`22:26.15`	`Adys`	`its 1k`
`22:26.19`	`jnwhiteh`	`mikma: I need DK gear`
`22:26.20`	`jnwhiteh`	`for tanking`
`22:26.28`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: remember, normal flying is now 150% or so`
`22:26.38`	`Adys`	`theres that too`
`22:26.41`	`Adys`	`its very bearable`
`22:26.44`	`mikma`	`aye`
`22:26.45`	`jnwhiteh`	`so cold weather flying`
`22:26.47`	`jnwhiteh`	`can i get that at 225`
`22:26.52`	`jnwhiteh`	`or does it require 300?`
`22:26.54`	`Adys`	`i think you can`
`22:26.58`	`zenzelezz`	`you can`
`22:27.01`	`Adys`	`its a separate skill`
`22:27.01`	`zenzelezz`	`I did`
`22:27.23`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: hey, remember. you can buy it with your main (1k) and mail it to dk`
`22:27.28`	`jnwhiteh`	`aye`
`22:27.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`i will`
`22:27.36`	`jnwhiteh`	`and then buy a shit mount`
`22:28.04`	`mikma`	`dk mount <3`
`22:28.08`	`mikma`	`scales with flying skill`
`22:28.18`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah`
`22:28.21`	`jnwhiteh`	`but it costs an asston`
`22:28.23`	`jnwhiteh`	`not worth it`
`22:28.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`at all`
`22:31.42`	`jnwhiteh`	`where can I get DK tanking gear =)`
`22:32.03`	`ccox`	`The dead chicken? The Flying Chicken of Fail? The Dead Parrot for DKs? yeah, not worth it.`
`22:32.09`	`mikma`	`jnwhiteh: http://wow-loot.com/deathknight.htm`
`22:32.16`	`jnwhiteh`	`ty`
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`22:35.12`	`mikma`	`http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/welcome_home_daddy.jpg`
`22:35.56`	`Dagmar`	`I'm so not pulling that up at work`
`22:35.58`	`Dagmar`	`heh`
`22:37.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`Dagmar: sfw`
`22:37.48`	`kd3`	`oh wow`
`22:37.55`	`Dagmar`	`it was on Fail Blog about a week ago actualy`
`22:38.12`	`Dagmar`	`There's a few ways in which it might not be someone fooling around, but they're all so complex as to make the thing not funny anymore`
`22:43.02`	`Fisker`	`oh my god jnwhiteh`
`22:43.12`	`Fisker`	`1/11/2010 5:11 pmProcessed at DHL Location.`
`22:43.14`	`jnwhiteh`	`k`
`22:43.20`	`Fisker`	`fuuuuuuuu`
`22:43.25`	`Fisker`	`Northeast Indianapolis, IN`
`22:43.26`	`Fisker`	`:(`
`22:43.38`	`Shirik`	`(16:23:18) (Shadowed) 1/11 16:15:15.006 Interface\AddOns\Blizzard_DebugTools\Localization.lua:2: chunk has too many syntax levels`
`22:43.40`	`Fisker`	`bunch of slackers`
`22:43.58`	`Shirik`	`That means you did something like`
`22:44.14`	`Shirik`	`lua> loadstring(("while true do"):rep(500) .. ("end"):rep(500))`
`22:44.14`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: nil, [string "while true dowhile true dowhile true dowhile true dowhile true ..."]:1: 'do' expected near 'dowhile'`
`22:44.23`	`Shirik`	`lua> loadstring(("while true do "):rep(500) .. ("end "):rep(500))`
`22:44.23`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: nil, [string "while true do while true do while true do while true do while t..."]:1: chunk has too many syntax levels`
`22:44.43`	`Shadowed`	`Shirik: But why is it in Localizationlua?`
`22:44.51`	`Shirik`	`how am I supposed to know that!`
`22:44.52`	`Shadowed`	`it's on enUS too, so there's nothing in the file`
`22:44.55`	`Adys`	`cuz its AWESOME`
`22:45.16`	`Adys`	`Shirik: whats :rep ?`
`22:45.24`	`Adys`	`repeat?`
`22:45.27`	`Shadowed`	`yea`
`22:45.29`	`Shirik`	`yes..`
`22:45.32`	`Shirik`	`adysfail`
`22:45.36`	`Shadowed`	`lua> print(("Adys is bad "):rep(5))`
`22:45.36`	`lua_bot`	`Shadowed: Adys is bad Adys is bad Adys is bad Adys is bad Adys is bad`
`22:46.15`	`Kalroth`	`aww`
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`22:46.34`	`Adys`	`>>> print " ".join("Shadowed sucks" * 150)`
`22:46.46`	`Kalroth`	`lua> print(("and party and bullshit "):rep(5))`
`22:46.47`	`lua_bot`	`Kalroth: and party and bullshit and party and bullshit and party and bullshit and party and bullshit and party and bullshit`
`22:46.50`	`Shadowed`	`claps`
`22:47.17`	`Adys`	`lua> print(("cake or death "):rep(10))`
`22:47.17`	`lua_bot`	`Adys: cake or death cake or death cake or death cake or death cake or death cake or death cake or death cake or death cake or death cake or death`
`22:47.29`	`Adys`	`lost all its charm`
`22:48.02`	`Adys`	`Kalroth: we got a guild called cake or death on our serv!`
`22:48.05`	`Adys`	`HORDE guild!`
`22:48.07`	`Adys`	`can you imagine`
`22:48.25`	`Kalroth`	`..`
`22:48.42`	`kdtresh`	`it's easy if you try`
`22:48.45`	`Kalroth`	`well horde on your server is so french`
`22:48.51`	`Adys`	`Kalroth: http://dpaste.com/143854/`
`22:48.51`	`Adys`	`:D`
`22:48.58`	`Adys`	`Shirik: you should click too`
`22:49.02`	`Kalroth`	`aaa`
`22:49.03`	`Adys`	`embrace the awesomeness`
`22:49.06`	`Adys`	`let it penetrate.`
`22:49.38`	`Lunessa`	`Adys: I'll have the chicken.`
`22:49.39`	`Kalroth`	`rearranges the indentation on one line and watches the program as it blows up`
`22:49.55`	`Shirik`	`^`
`22:50.09`	`Adys`	`why are you guys so butthurt about indentation`
`22:50.13`	`Adys`	`who wants 1-line indentation`
`22:50.16`	`Kalroth`	`it's an easy target`
`22:50.23`	`Adys`	`if you want unreadable, optimized code`
`22:50.28`	`Shirik`	`you know, I am only aware of one other language that is so severely dependent upon whitespace`
`22:50.29`	`Kalroth`	`I want the option`
`22:50.30`	`Adys`	`look at the .pyc and .pyo files`
`22:50.51`	`Shirik`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_language)`
`22:51.07`	`Kalroth`	`I'm not fond of casesensitive languages either!`
`22:51.15`	`Adys`	`then you dont know as many languages as you should`
`22:51.35`	`Kalroth`	`I know plenty, I just dont like all of them`
`22:51.45`	`Adys`	`OCaml has an optional syntax, called twt (The Whitespace Thing), inspired by Python and Haskell.[60]`
`22:51.50`	`Kalroth`	`oh`
`22:52.15`	`Kalroth`	`-optional-`
`22:52.15`	`Kalroth`	`that's okay`
`22:52.15`	`Adys`	`Kalroth: from __future__ import braces`
`22:52.23`	`Kalroth`	`that's not okay though!`
`22:52.28`	`Adys`	`sure is`
`22:52.46`	`Kalroth`	`no I meant the __keyword__ syntax`
`22:52.46`	`Adys`	`Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boo_programming_language`
`22:52.55`	`Kalroth`	`I like my languages flowing`
`22:53.19`	`Kalroth`	`boo is pretty boo`
`22:53.24`	`NeoTron`	`Comedy: Said Palin in a release, "I am thrilled to be joining the great talent and management team at FOX News. It's wonderful to be part of a place that so values fair and balanced news."`
`22:53.24`	`Adys`	`Kalroth: future = globals()["_"2+"future"+"_"2]; from __future__ import braces`
`22:53.28`	`Adys`	`er`
`22:53.31`	`Adys`	`Kalroth: future = globals()["_"2+"future"+"_"2]; from future import braces`
`22:53.42`	`Shirik`	`Adys: That's essentially python`
`22:53.49`	`Shirik`	`so it doesn't count`
`22:53.52`	`Shirik`	`It's Python for .NET`
`22:54.14`	`Adys`	`you guys need to take your anger on php or some other terrible shit like that`
`22:54.16`	`Adys`	`java or something`
`22:54.23`	`Kalroth`	`NeoTron: Yeah, I heard that. FOX News were having issues with their image, apparently people thought they were too serious and non-biased, so they hired Sarah to lighten the place up.`
`22:54.30`	`Shirik`	`why? At least PHP and Java have uses`
`22:55.03`	`Adys`	`so does python`
`22:55.06`	`Shirik`	`no`
`22:55.07`	`Kalroth`	`It's okay, Python is a language too`
`22:55.08`	`Lunessa`	`PHP - for use when you want a slow, cumbersome and ugly mess to wade through in 6 months.`
`22:55.22`	`Adys`	`yes, so does python`
`22:55.25`	`Shirik`	`Adys: python has one use: xkcd jokes`
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`22:55.43`	`Kalroth`	`Shirik: and bash quotes`
`22:55.52`	`Adys`	`xkcd python sketches are about how python is awesome and how awesome python is`
`22:55.57`	`Lunessa`	`"Also, I took everything in the medicine cabinet. But I'm pretty sure this is the Python."`
`22:56.00`	`zenzelezz`	`PHP isn't so bad if you use it properly; it's just not as good as some alternatives`
`22:56.07`	`Kalroth`	`<Sonium> someone speak python here?`
`22:56.07`	`Kalroth`	`<lucky> HHHHHSSSSSHSSS`
`22:56.07`	`Kalroth`	`<lucky> SSSSS`
`22:56.08`	`Kalroth`	`<Sonium> the programming language`
`22:56.28`	`Adys`	`who the hell says speak about a programming language anyway`
`22:56.56`	`nicoli_s`	`wait what`
`22:57.04`	`Kalroth`	`Adys <-------------------------------------------> point`
`22:57.23`	`Kalroth`	`(not to be scaled)`
`22:57.26`	`nicoli_s`	`so adys is the opposite of a point? which is what? a hole?`
`22:57.27`	`Adys`	`_.replace("-", "")`
`22:57.54`	`Kalroth`	`it's a distance'o'meter, nicoli_s`
`22:58.00`	`Adys`	`also Shirik`
`22:58.08`	`nicoli_s`	`man i wish i could work on wow stuff full time, i really really hate runescape with a passion`
`22:58.16`	`Adys`	`http://dpaste.com/143854/`
`22:58.20`	`NeoTron`	`Kalroth: I find it comical. "fair and balanced news"!`
`22:58.30`	`Kalroth`	`Adys is to the left and the point is (depending on your screen resolution) to the far right`
`22:58.35`	`Adys`	`I triple dare you to make a structure loader as efficient, powerful and awesome as mine`
`22:58.37`	`Kalroth`	`nicoli_s: quit then!`
`22:58.38`	`Adys`	`in the language of your choice`
`22:59.00`	`*** kick/#wowuidev [Adys!n=mpdelbuo@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)`
`22:59.06`	`*** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys)`
`22:59.06`	`Kalroth`	`hahah`
`22:59.07`	`Adys`	`fu`
`22:59.15`	`Kalroth`	`halp adys is spamming`
`22:59.15`	`Adys`	`how was it unambiguous`
`22:59.23`	`Shirik`	`Adys missed the joke`
`22:59.31`	`Adys`	`it was pretty ambiguous!`
`22:59.37`	`nicoli_s`	`@kalroth: my job is wayy to awesome to quit`
`22:59.45`	`Shirik`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CSD#G11`
`22:59.48`	`nicoli_s`	`and time will pass and ill move onto a new game`
`23:00.08`	`nicoli_s`	`and adys, looks cool, too much work for us since we have such a small amt of time to put towards maintenance`
`23:00.10`	`Kalroth`	`Adys: also I've been coding structure loaders back when you were crust in your dads socks`
`23:00.30`	`Adys`	`i know it can be done`
`23:00.33`	`Adys`	`I just want to make him cry`
`23:00.52`	`Adys`	`you want a python usage you got it right there`
`23:01.07`	`Kalroth`	`you could do the same in visual basic`
`23:01.09`	`Kalroth`	`4.0`
`23:01.16`	`Adys`	`and cry, many, many tears`
`23:01.25`	`Kalroth`	`but with free indentation!`
`23:01.33`	`Kalroth`	`free willy .. and indentation!`
`23:01.35`	`Adys`	`and a wasted keyboard`
`23:01.49`	`Adys`	`[01:01:33] <Kalroth> free willy ..`
`23:01.50`	`Adys`	`[01:01:35] <Adys> and a wasted keyboard`
`23:01.51`	`Adys`	`:(`
`23:01.58`	`Kalroth`	`haha`
`23:02.11`	`Kalroth`	`you really should bag your keyboard`
`23:02.30`	`Adys`	`if you're gonna code in vb? yes, you should`
`23:02.36`	`Adys`	`you should also bag your head`
`23:02.45`	`Kalroth`	`tighly, yes`
`23:03.00`	`Shirik`	`omfg, Adys, I just found the best use of PHP ever`
`23:03.03`	`Shirik`	`Python can't do this`
`23:03.16`	`Adys`	`nicoli_s: it didnt take me much time`
`23:03.30`	`Shirik`	`Do this in python: http://wowi.pastey.net/131318`
`23:03.34`	`mikma`	`shirik: having it do nothing?`
`23:03.42`	`Shirik`	`That is a program that is valid PHP, C, and bash script`
`23:03.44`	`Adys`	`perhaps 3-4 hours in total, maybe more for the very complex shit`
`23:04.09`	`Kalroth`	`#define a /*`
`23:04.11`	`Kalroth`	`what the shit`
`23:04.19`	`Mikk`	`hehe`
`23:04.25`	`Mikk`	`macros evaluated before comments :P`
`23:05.08`	`Adys`	`Shirik: python would probably do this if you changed the syntax`
`23:05.10`	`Adys`	`try lisp`
`23:05.16`	`Adys`	`now lisp cant do that.`
`23:05.22`	`Kalroth`	`thats unfair and you know it`
`23:05.35`	`Adys`	`(SUCK IT UP)`
`23:05.43`	`Kalroth`	`lisp is the easiest target ever, it makes even Python look good`
`23:06.12`	`Adys`	`ive been meaning to write some more serious stuff in lisp`
`23:06.18`	`Kalroth`	`why`
`23:06.27`	`Adys`	`because its not as bad as php`
`23:06.31`	`Kalroth`	`other than you get to write really happy code`
`23:06.33`	`Kalroth`	`:))))))))))))))`
`23:06.42`	`Adys`	`yeah must be a russian language`
`23:07.16`	`Shirik`	`I still think that is the best code I've ever seen`
`23:07.27`	`Adys`	`its php`
`23:07.29`	`Adys`	`so its not.`
`23:08.01`	`Shirik`	`it's not php, it's C`
`23:08.06`	`Shirik`	`and if you don't like C, it's bash`
`23:08.17`	`Adys`	`what if i dont like either of the three?`
`23:08.24`	`Shirik`	`omfg`
`23:08.27`	`Shirik`	`I found one with 15 languages`
`23:08.31`	`Shirik`	`sadly, one of them is python`
`23:08.35`	`Adys`	`OWNED`
`23:08.39`	`Shirik`	`http://mauke.ath.cx/stuff/poly.poly`
`23:08.47`	`Shirik`	`hahaha one of them is brainfuck`
`23:09.03`	`kdtresh`	`http://theoatmeal.com/comics/computers`
`23:09.03`	`Kalroth`	`python and brainfuck is compatible, who'd have thought!`
`23:09.34`	`Adys`	`<!--:--><h1>I'm a <marquee><blink>horrible HTML</blink></marquee> page</h1>`
`23:09.35`	`Adys`	`hahah`
`23:09.58`	`Kalroth`	`kdtresh: that is totally my parents`
`23:10.07`	`Adys`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:10.12`	`Adys`	`why does that look wrong`
`23:10.59`	`Adys`	`Shirik: i dont see neither java nor php in all this :P`
`23:11.08`	`Shirik`	`because they cannot be compared to brainfuck`
`23:12.06`	`Adys`	`why not`
`23:12.19`	`Kalroth`	`you're such a Makefile, Adys`
`23:12.43`	`Adys`	`awww wootsie pootsie lil zsh`
`23:12.47`	`Kalroth`	`lisp is a better xml`
`23:12.47`	`Kalroth`	`http://www.defmacro.org/ramblings/lisp.html`
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`23:18.00`	`mikma`	`cairenn\|afk: lolo, only the cool persons have birthday in january`
`23:18.59`	`mikma`	`i'll be 30 in 17th, lalz`
`23:19.00`	`Shirik`	`Best. Gcc warning. Ever.`
`23:19.03`	`Shirik`	`Line 3: error: multi-line comment`
`23:19.15`	`Shirik`	`s/warning/error/`
`23:19.23`	`kd3`	`mikma; indeed. I turn a quarter-century on the 27th`
`23:19.51`	`mikma`	`awesome month`
`23:20.14`	`Adys`	`We could do the same for C++. (In case you're wondering if anyone is crazy enough to do it, take a look at GCC-XML).`
`23:20.15`	`Adys`	`haha`
`23:20.24`	`Shirik`	`Who wants some fun code?`
`23:20.29`	`Adys`	`mememe!`
`23:20.43`	`Shirik`	`Try to debug this. But be fair, you aren't allowed to use compiler warnings to figure out the solution to the problem`
`23:20.44`	`Kraps`	`http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/12202930954-bring-vanilla-backplz.html`
`23:21.16`	`Shirik`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/131319`
`23:21.21`	`kd3`	`wahaha... I love these mobs`
`23:21.22`	`Shirik`	`outputs "1"`
`23:21.23`	`Shirik`	`why.`
`23:21.24`	`kd3`	`crits for 15k+`
`23:21.39`	`Kraps`	`where?`
`23:21.51`	`Shirik`	`?`
`23:22.12`	`Cide`	`Shirik, no code in that comment?`
`23:22.17`	`Shirik`	`hm?`
`23:22.20`	`kd3`	`the valyrion aspirants in valkyrion`
`23:22.24`	`Cide`	`you didn't exclude any code, that is`
`23:22.34`	`Shirik`	`what do you mean?`
`23:22.35`	`kd3`	`the metanoia spellsteal`
`23:22.40`	`Fisker`	`you wouldn't kd3`
`23:22.41`	`Cide`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:22.51`	`Cide`	`that wasn't in place of some secrit code?`
`23:23.04`	`Shirik`	`no`
`23:23.04`	`Cide`	`seems pretty obvious that it's a compiler bug if not?`
`23:23.07`	`cbreak`	`Shirik: http://underhanded.xcott.com/`
`23:23.09`	`Shirik`	`that is literally correct`
`23:23.14`	`Shirik`	`cbreak: I know the answer`
`23:23.17`	`Shirik`	`the question is if anyone else knows :)`
`23:23.30`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`23:23.35`	`Shirik`	`that wasn't an answer, lol`
`23:23.47`	`cbreak`	`that's unrelated`
`23:23.53`	`cbreak`	`but you love C`
`23:23.59`	`cbreak`	`so I had to give oyu that link :)`
`23:24.12`	`Shirik`	`Cide: That is correct code.`
`23:24.51`	`Adys`	`Shirik: so you say if you remove the comment, the output is the same?`
`23:25.08`	`Shirik`	`I never said that nor am I giving any hints`
`23:25.18`	`zenzelezz`	`"a++;" doesn't do much`
`23:25.32`	`Shirik`	`but, I guess I'll address that, Adys`
`23:25.42`	`Shirik`	`If I remove the comment, the answer will remain the same`
`23:25.50`	`Shirik`	`and that is only logical because a comment does nothing, right?`
`23:26.07`	`Shirik`	`be careful with my hints though, they might be misleading. And that might be a hint. And that might not be.`
`23:26.10`	`Adys`	`I'm guessing ?/ is special syntax or something`
`23:26.18`	`Shirik`	`?/ has no special meaning in C`
`23:26.20`	`nicoli_s`	`you have to assign a++ to a for it to increment right?`
`23:26.25`	`Shirik`	`no`
`23:26.48`	`nicoli_s`	`there goes my guess`
`23:27.10`	`Cide`	`I'd guess the compiler incorrectly optimizes the printf() to occur before the value of a is updated`
`23:27.31`	`Shirik`	`the compiler is doing nothing wrong`
`23:27.46`	`Cide`	`s/incorrectly /`
`23:27.52`	`Cide`	`s/incorrectly //`
`23:27.58`	`Cide`	`fu`
`23:28.01`	`Shirik`	`the answer is completely compliant with ISO C++`
`23:28.13`	`Cide`	`thus I withdraw my "incorrectly"`
`23:28.18`	`Shirik`	`for purposes of sanity, I'll restrict it to C++03 because I don't know beyond that`
`23:28.40`	`Adys`	`Shirik: you bloody liar`
`23:28.44`	`Cide`	`I'd guess the compiler optimizes the printf() to occur before the value of a is updated`
`23:28.59`	`Shirik`	`nope`
`23:29.16`	`nicoli_s`	`my guess is you were lying all along and it prints out 2`
`23:29.36`	`Adys`	`??/ escapes a newline`
`23:29.44`	`Adys`	`a++ gets into the comment`
`23:29.48`	`Shirik`	`Adys is a winnar`
`23:29.52`	`Shirik`	`except, Adys, you said ?/ not ??/`
`23:29.56`	`Adys`	`no`
`23:29.59`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`23:29.59`	`Cide`	`yes`
`23:29.59`	`Adys`	`you said if you removed the comment the output would be the same`
`23:30.03`	`Cide`	`^`
`23:30.05`	`Shirik`	`The comment goes on to the next line`
`23:30.12`	`Shirik`	`There's even a warning for it`
`23:30.13`	`Shirik`	`./trigraph.cpp:6:4: warning: multi-line comment`
`23:30.21`	`nicoli_s`	`technicalities, burn him at the stake!`
`23:30.25`	`Cide`	`<Shirik> If I remove the comment, the answer will remain the same`
`23:30.27`	`Adys`	`if you remove the comment`
`23:30.28`	`zenzelezz`	`Shirik: stop doing false information quizzes, it just tells us you suck`
`23:30.30`	`Shirik`	`The comment includes the a++`
`23:30.34`	`Adys`	`there would be any comment in the first place`
`23:30.36`	`Cide`	`haha`
`23:30.38`	`Cide`	`that's funny`
`23:30.40`	`cbreak`	`how does ??/ escape anything?`
`23:30.45`	`zenzelezz`	`it's a trigraph`
`23:30.50`	`Shirik`	`cbreak: ISO C++ says ??/ is a trigraph which escapes a newline`
`23:30.54`	`Adys`	`Shirik: http://xkcd.com/169/`
`23:30.57`	`cbreak`	`...`
`23:31.05`	`Shirik`	`mpdelbuono@heresiarchguild ~ $ g++ -Wall -trigraphs ./trigraph.cpp`
`23:31.05`	`Shirik`	`./trigraph.cpp:6:13: warning: trigraph ??/ converted to \`
`23:31.05`	`Shirik`	`./trigraph.cpp:6:4: warning: multi-line comment`
`23:31.22`	`zenzelezz`	`Shirik: since you purposefully used a single-line comment (//), your "multi-line comment" point is invalid`
`23:31.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: about freaking time`
`23:31.35`	`Shirik`	`ScytheBlade1: I told you this yesterday omg`
`23:31.39`	`Shirik`	`and you totally ignored me`
`23:31.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: I work.`
`23:31.43`	`Adys`	`Shirik: you're going to have to chose between "I lied" and "I got one hand less to masturbate with"`
`23:32.00`	`Shirik`	`(22:43:25) (@Shirik) ScytheBlade1! You would be proud of me!`
`23:32.00`	`Shirik`	`(22:43:46) (@Shirik) my hostname no longer says li23-154`
`23:32.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I was asleep.`
`23:32.26`	`Shirik`	`I still think I never lied`
`23:32.31`	`Shirik`	`The comment extends onto the next line`
`23:32.36`	`Adys`	`yes`
`23:32.37`	`Shirik`	`as indicated by the compiler warning`
`23:32.38`	`Adys`	`and if you remove it`
`23:32.44`	`Adys`	`it wont have anything to extend`
`23:32.45`	`Shirik`	`if you remove it, you also remove the a++`
`23:32.52`	`Shirik`	`that is part of the comment`
`23:32.55`	`Adys`	`http://xkcd.com/169/`
`23:33.07`	`Adys`	`I'm going to link it over and over until you say "Ok i lied"`
`23:33.08`	`zenzelezz`	`Shirik: face it, no-one else thinks your cleverness is the least bit funny`
`23:33.30`	`Shirik`	`who said it was supposed to be funny`
`23:33.46`	`Shirik`	`It was supposed to be more of an "I own you"`
`23:33.50`	`Adys`	`http://xkcd.com/169/ http://xkcd.com/169/`
`23:34.02`	`zenzelezz`	`again, all it does is tell us how much you suck`
`23:34.13`	`cbreak`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digraphs_and_trigraphs in case anyone wonders`
`23:34.14`	`Shirik`	`sucking can be a good thing`
`23:35.00`	`Bruners`	`what ports was needed to host WC3 games?`
`23:35.05`	`Adys`	`6661`
`23:35.07`	`Adys`	`or something`
`23:35.17`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`thanks all :)`
`23:35.24`	`Adys`	`Cairenn\|afk: http://xkcd.com/169/`
`23:35.26`	`Adys`	`put it in the topic`
`23:35.28`	`Bruners`	`Cairenn\|afk: happy birthday`
`23:35.31`	`Shirik`	`Anyway, I do think that this is the best warning ever: ./trigraph.cpp:6:4: warning: multi-line comment`
`23:35.48`	`Adys`	`Shirik: test.c:4:13: warning: trigraph ??/ ignored, use -trigraphs to enable`
`23:35.58`	`Fisker`	`you simply would not`
`23:36.09`	`Shirik`	`many compilers disable trigraphs by default because they're confusing :)`
`23:36.14`	`Shirik`	`and they have little use`
`23:36.20`	`Adys`	`no`
`23:36.23`	`Adys`	`they dont have little use`
`23:36.26`	`Adys`	`they're bloody useless`
`23:36.34`	`Shirik`	`uh, not useless if your computer doesn't have a { or }`
`23:36.51`	`Adys`	`then`
`23:36.54`	`Adys`	`use one-line ifs.`
`23:37.06`	`Shirik`	`I can't`
`23:37.08`	`zenzelezz`	`if your computer doesn't have those, you need to upgrade your 40-year-old keyboard`
`23:37.11`	`Shirik`	`because I can't even get in a damn function`
`23:37.11`	`Adys`	`OH WAIT IM SORRY`
`23:37.14`	`Adys`	`ARE YOU NOT USING PYTHON`
`23:37.16`	`bleeter`	`http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/11/it_developer/`
`23:37.22`	`Fisker`	`is scaraed`
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`23:37.28`	`Fisker`	`whatever that means`
`23:37.31`	`Shirik`	`see, python doesn't have support for trigraphs`
`23:37.32`	`ccox`	`Shirik is kinda clever, for a college kid. He's still got to finish his masters, doctorate and post-doc in clever before he can compete with the rest of us, though.`
`23:37.32`	`Shirik`	`oh wait`
`23:37.33`	`Shirik`	`wait`
`23:37.36`	`Adys`	`Shirik: you just got owned twice in the same minute here`
`23:37.39`	`Adys`	`USE CASE`
`23:37.43`	`Adys`	`[01:36:34] <@Shirik> uh, not useless if your computer doesn't have a { or }`
`23:37.44`	`bleeter`	`ccox++`
`23:37.51`	`Shirik`	`from ___future___ import ______________________trigraphs___________________--`
`23:38.09`	`Adys`	`ccox: here he just failed his first year.`
`23:38.29`	`Shirik`	`ccox: I will never get a doctorate`
`23:38.39`	`Shirik`	`I already want to get out of school asap`
`23:39.18`	`Adys`	`why haven't you already?`
`23:39.31`	`Shirik`	`because I'm trapped like rats in a chia pet`
`23:39.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`sigh i am spending to much time on the computer....i just look et my old shoes and said to myself that "they need to be deleted"`
`23:39.40`	`Shirik`	`5 points to anyone that knows where that comes from`
`23:39.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`looked at*`
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`23:39.57`	`Adys`	`men in black`
`23:40.33`	`Shirik`	`INCORRECT`
`23:40.37`	`Adys`	`men in black 2`
`23:40.40`	`Shirik`	`correct`
`23:40.43`	`Shirik`	`you get 2.5 points`
`23:40.54`	`Adys`	`plus two because its men in black 2`
`23:40.57`	`Adys`	`so 4.5`
`23:41.04`	`Adys`	`and since theres no support for floating points`
`23:41.06`	`Adys`	`i get 5`
`23:41.09`	`Shirik`	`no`
`23:41.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`-2 because your a fisker spawn`
`23:41.13`	`Adys`	`because you're nice and you ceil`
`23:41.20`	`Shirik`	`every reasonable architecture does truncation`
`23:41.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`you're*`
`23:41.29`	`Fisker`	`-5 because you used your instead of you're`
`23:41.32`	`Adys`	`and you know full well you're unreasolable`
`23:41.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`hah!`
`23:41.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`beat you`
`23:41.37`	`Fisker`	`too late Thunder_Child`
`23:41.41`	`Fisker`	`did not`
`23:41.42`	`Adys`	`Thunder_Child: no you didnt`
`23:41.47`	`Adys`	`[01:41:29] <Fisker> -5 because you used your instead of you're`
`23:41.47`	`Adys`	`[01:41:29] <Thunder_Child> you're*`
`23:41.47`	`Fisker`	`Adys is correct`
`23:41.55`	`Adys`	`and for that`
`23:41.57`	`Adys`	`i get 5 points more!`
`23:41.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`[15:41:26] <Thunder_Child> you're*`
`23:41.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`[15:41:27] <Fisker> -5 because you used your instead of you're`
`23:42.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats all i care about`
`23:42.11`	`Fisker`	`l2client/servercommunication`
`23:42.13`	`Adys`	`Thunder_Child: little do you know your connection sucks`
`23:42.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`i know, thats because 99.9% of the bandwidth is being used atm`
`23:42.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`i miss my cable :(`
`23:42.54`	`Shirik`	`wait wait`
`23:42.57`	`Shirik`	`let me do a speed test`
`23:43.07`	`Adys`	`Shirik: now we just proved I'm awesome, that I get 10 points, that python has a use case and that you got one hand less`
`23:43.08`	`Adys`	`can we move on`
`23:43.08`	`Fisker`	`i really should sleep`
`23:43.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`on my side Shirik`
`23:43.15`	`Fisker`	`but looking at that damn tracking page is so god damn awesome`
`23:43.24`	`Adys`	`Fisker: what are you tracking?`
`23:43.31`	`Fisker`	`my nexus one`
`23:43.37`	`Fisker`	`Atleast before jnwhiteh runs off with it`
`23:43.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/nexus one/soul/`
`23:43.46`	`Adys`	`lol`
`23:44.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`he had to get a replacement, he burned out the last one`
`23:44.23`	`Adys`	`I'm tempted to get one too`
`23:44.34`	`Adys`	`but meh`
`23:44.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes, you too are soul lacking`
`23:44.38`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I saw that you can get full root by running one command`
`23:44.38`	`Adys`	`later, when ill get to england`
`23:44.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`from the stock ROM`
`23:44.42`	`*** join/#wowuidev taleden (n=alex@user-38q41i6.cable.mindspring.com)`
`23:44.49`	`Fisker`	`wait for the EU version anyways`
`23:44.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`and I sat there, looked at my (expensive) droid and`
`23:44.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`... yeah.`
`23:44.54`	`Fisker`	`should be out in some weeks apparently`
`23:44.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Not pleased`
`23:45.05`	`Shirik`	`http://images.gammatester.com/pics/73d50586e3c8a1268aa500d933134659.png`
`23:45.05`	`Shirik`	`lolowned`
`23:45.19`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: I should run of those from work`
`23:45.25`	`ArrowmasterClass`	`Shirik: not accurate`
`23:45.34`	`Shirik`	`Accurate enough for me to go lolowned!`
`23:45.47`	`ArrowmasterClass`	`no its not`
`23:45.55`	`ArrowmasterClass`	`your download speed is probably about half of that`
`23:45.58`	`Shirik`	`yes it is! I just did!`
`23:46.06`	`Shirik`	`actually I have guaranteed 15Mbps`
`23:46.14`	`Shirik`	`business class ftw`
`23:46.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`peak`
`23:46.22`	`Shirik`	`incorrect`
`23:46.35`	`Hjalte`	`Shirik: Move to Denmark ;) http://www.speedtest.net/result/679503975.png`
`23:46.47`	`Shirik`	`fios?`
`23:47.06`	`Hjalte`	`I believe it might be some kind of fiber`
`23:47.06`	`Fisker`	`vdsl more likely Shirik`
`23:47.20`	`Shirik`	`anyway, screw denmark`
`23:47.25`	`Shirik`	`all the cool people live in the US`
`23:47.29`	`Fisker`	`my download is currently half that it should be`
`23:47.32`	`Shirik`	`literally`
`23:47.34`	`Shirik`	`~weather kdab`
`23:47.42`	`Shirik`	`oh wow it's 50?`
`23:47.46`	`Shirik`	`it was like 20 this morning`
`23:47.55`	`ArrowmasterClass`	`~weather kday`
`23:48.10`	`bleeter`	`~weather ymhb`
`23:48.29`	`bleeter`	`lies`
`23:48.33`	`Shirik`	`in the words of the immortal Fisker, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu`
`23:48.35`	`NeoTron`	`Hjalte: http://www.speedtest.net/result/679505409.png hmm :P`
`23:48.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: relocating you to canada, full stop`
`23:48.46`	`Hjalte`	`NeoTron: Damn you!`
`23:48.54`	`NeoTron`	`of course that's at work`
`23:48.56`	`Jerub`	`how do i ask it for brisbane?`
`23:48.59`	`Shirik`	`lol what the fuck NeoTron`
`23:49.01`	`Shirik`	`that's cheating`
`23:49.09`	`Shirik`	`ISP: Amazon.com`
`23:49.13`	`NeoTron`	`:)`
`23:49.26`	`Shirik`	`are you using EC2 or something?`
`23:49.32`	`ccox`	`(I guess testing my 8x OC3 connection at work would be cheating...)`
`23:49.47`	`NeoTron`	`Nah that's just my normal work connection`
`23:49.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I probably have at least that at work`
`23:50.03`	`Shirik`	`I especially like the 3ms ping`
`23:51.19`	`ArrowmasterClass`	`NeoTron: where do you work?`
`23:51.35`	`NeoTron`	`ISP: Amazon.com`
`23:51.37`	`NeoTron`	`;-)`
`23:51.43`	`ccox`	`(after 5pm, the connection is over 200 Mb/s)`
`23:52.01`	`zenzelezz`	`that's a lot of porn`
`23:52.12`	`Dagmar`	`Yeah using speedtest when you're hosting one of hteir testing servers is a bit cheating`
`23:52.54`	`ccox`	`or having a dedicated pipe to a datacenter that hosts one of their test servers...`
`23:53.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I work for a company that routinely has upwards of 30,000 concurrent citrix connections...`
`23:53.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`kinda wonders what type of bandwidth he'd get`
`23:53.10`	`Dagmar`	`Not like any of the kiddies trying desperately to reflash their cablemodem would have a clue about the significance of 3ms ping tho . hehe`
`23:53.18`	`ArrowmasterClass`	`reminds people that he is unemployed`
`23:53.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ArrowmasterClass: but evidently in class, so you have a pass`
`23:53.35`	`Shirik`	`reminds people that he's got a job`
`23:53.44`	`Dagmar`	`I can walk into the other room and touch the I2 backbone that runs through here`
`23:53.52`	`Fisker`	`fires Shirik`
`23:53.53`	`Dagmar`	`That's enough for me. :)`
`23:55.41`	`ArrowmasterClass`	`needs a job`
`23:56.46`	`Shirik`	`ArrowmasterClass needs to go to class`
`23:56.50`	`NeoTron`	`ok here's my home connection: http://www.speedtest.net/result/679510846.png`
`23:57.38`	`Shirik`	`you have fios`
`23:57.45`	`Shirik`	`wtb`
`23:58.07`	`ArrowmasterClass`	`me too`
`23:58.16`	`ArrowmasterClass`	`roadrunner is so slow on upload`
`23:58.48`	`NeoTron`	`indeed`
`23:58.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`they dont have uverse around you ArrowmasterClass?`
`23:59.08`	`bleeter`	`pisses me that I've got fibre outside my front door and the carrier's not permitted to sell it to me...`
`23:59.13`	`bleeter`	`kicks politicians`
`23:59.20`	`bleeter`	`also kicks WobWork 'coz he's there :P`
`23:59.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`err...nvm ArrowmasterClass`
`23:59.54`	`ArrowmasterClass`	`uverse is getting kinda close i think but still, thats just vdsl`

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