IRC log for #wowuidev on 20100109

00:00.13DagmarIf they'd even gone to Mal'Ganis it would have been so much easier
00:00.29ScytheBlade1Do not click --> http://www.worldofwarcraft-consulting. com/index.asp?ref=https://www.worldofwarcraft. com/account/&app=wam
00:00.32Nechcknhahaha
00:00.43DagmarSeriously, an established economy I can work with.
00:01.01Irielmutters about Mal'Ganis
00:01.08DagmarIf I'm spending most of my day taking graveyard resses, screw it
00:01.51DagmarSince the whole idea was to _raid_, I am still at a loss why the hell they wanted to do it on a PvP server
00:02.09DagmarThe brand new server issue was the killer
00:02.09NechcknThat is really, really weird.
00:02.33DagmarWell, they're my co-workers and generally they're pretty smart people, but when it comes to games...  *sigh*
00:02.35NechcknI'm sure.  You cannot even find crap to buy, let alone sell stuff on the shiny servers.
00:03.01DagmarI just filled their gbank with enchant scrolls and said "See you when you're all 80"
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00:04.03cbreakI have a guy in my guild who created an other char on a new server
00:04.08cbreaka few years ago
00:04.09Thunder_Child~comfort Dagmar
00:04.10purlThere, there, Dagmar.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
00:04.16cbreaknow he has realm transfered to us, with a shiny black bug mount
00:04.25DagmarHeh
00:04.37DagmarThere is also that I saw how these people were playing on the way to 80
00:04.41Wobinahaha http://sleeptalkinman.blogspot.com/
00:04.43cbreakhe's quite crazy
00:04.54DagmarI don't have high hopes they'll have their stuff together well enough to do a 10-man even anytime soon
00:04.54mascondanteNechckn: Mug'thol is PVP but the horde are very strong and pretty much beat us in the dirt with everything.  Strong horde population.
00:04.59cbreakhe got a winterspring saber mount over four years ago
00:05.10Wobin"Stop the panther!"
00:05.26Wobin"Don't leave the duck there. It's totally irresponsible. Put it on the swing, it'll have much more fun."
00:05.43Nechcknmascondante interesting.  WIll have to send a peon to check it out.  Appreciate the pointer.
00:05.52mascondantecbreak: lol well at any rate it's a fine piece of software.
00:05.57WobinThe scary thing is, I can -totally- see how some of these dreams are plausible
00:06.23mascondanteNechckn: anytime
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00:43.40NechcknOne more general Q -  Anyone played or know someone who was in on the beta for http://www.startrekonline.com/splash?redir=frontpage ?
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00:45.15CideAdys: halp
00:45.32Cidewhy does not qt quit my program when I raise a KeyBoardInterrupt :(
00:46.22AdysCide: you need to import some stuff
00:46.22Adyssec
00:47.06AdysCide: import signal
00:47.18Adysand in main, before initializing your app
00:47.18Adyssignal.signal(signal.SIGINT, signal.SIG_DFL)
00:47.42Cidecool, thanks
00:47.46Cidemakes development a lot faster
00:47.57Adysyeah its an annoying POS
00:48.07Adysand fyi, almost every pygtk and pyqt app has this problem
00:48.13Adysive sent a few patches to random projects
00:48.18Adysbut meh
00:48.28Cidenot a huge deal when you're using an app
00:48.33Cidebut developing I restart it all the time
00:48.43Adysi start apps from cli sometimes
00:49.18Adysson of a
00:49.23Adysmy durationfield is working :D
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01:04.27alestanelua> ("_doofus"):sub(1)
01:04.28lua_botalestane: _doofus
01:04.34alestanelua> ("_doofus"):sub(1, 1)
01:04.35lua_botalestane: _
01:05.29Jamashlua>("_doofus"):sub(2)
01:05.29lua_botJamash: doofus
01:05.36Jamashoh snap
01:05.41Jamashlua_bot called me a doofus
01:06.31mikmasuits you sir, uh, suits you
01:06.44Jamash>:-{
01:08.23Brunershttp://www.tv2underholdning.no/korslaget/dette-hadde-du-aldri-trodd-om-team-joddski-3094438.html anyone that could tell me what plugin i need to view that page properly
01:09.04Jamashit's in norwegian
01:09.42Jamashoh you mean the video
01:09.48Jamashmicrosoft silverlight
01:09.48mikmajamash: haste
01:10.16Jamashmikma: what
01:11.35mikmajamash: you need haste
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01:22.10Wobinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJMzB48r8rI
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01:38.30mikmawobin: reraise, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ9vkd7Rp-g
01:40.33Wobinmikma, it looks like she's wearing a floatation device
01:41.15mikmawobin: don't know, didn't get a proper view cause youtoob is too choppy on tablet
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02:50.37batrickomgomgomgomgomg
02:50.41batricklua 5.2 work version
02:50.44batricki just wet my pants
02:51.16Thunder_Childwets batrick's pants for him
02:52.08Cidewhat's the changelog?
02:52.15batrickdunno yet
02:52.27batrickhad to context switch to other higher priority things
02:52.37alestaneA working xpcall that takes multiple arguments?
02:53.38cbreakthe changelog seems rather short
02:56.38batrickchangelog is incomplete
02:56.50batrickthere was a lot more when Roberto spoke about 5.2 at 2009 workshop
02:57.04Arrowmasterthis only on the mailing list or something?
02:57.05cbreakthe one in the refman is more detailed
02:57.18batrickhttp://www.lua.org/work/lua-5.2.0-work1.tar.gz
02:57.19batrickArrowmaster: ^
03:00.06cbreakwonder how the bit lib works
03:00.12cbreakjust by using 32 bits of doubles?
03:06.07Irielcbreak: yes
03:07.23Irielstatic b_uint getuintarg (lua_State *L, int arg) {
03:07.24Iriel<PROTECTED>
03:07.24Iriel<PROTECTED>
03:07.24Iriel<PROTECTED>
03:07.24Iriel<PROTECTED>
03:07.25Iriel<PROTECTED>
03:07.26Iriel}
03:07.33batrickwhoa
03:07.39batrickgrowls at Iriel.
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03:17.50ScytheBlade1http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/droid-lua.png
03:19.28Jamashso is Lua 5.2 any better at pattern matching?
03:20.20Arrowmasterwell the frontier pattern is actually listed in the manual but other than that i dont see any changes to the documentation
03:20.45JamashI tried to write a parser in wowlua and it made me sad
03:21.03Arrowmasterparser for what?
03:21.06Jamashmacros
03:21.50Arrowmasterhasnt foxlit already done that?
03:22.04JamashI dunno, if there's a lib for it I'd be happy to use it
03:22.08alestaneI doubt it will step up to regular expression processing as they've stated that that's substantially heavier than they want to get (I believe that Roberto stated that most regex libraries are larger than the entire Lua distribution).
03:22.18JamashPCRE OR BUST
03:22.47DagmarThat would be nice.
03:23.19alestaneSo, doubling the size of the Lua embed ~= "win".
03:23.39ScytheBlade1cog|away: http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/droid-lua.png
03:23.46Arrowmasteri would rather see a secondary string lib thats utf8 aware
03:23.52JamashArrowmaster: whereat would I find foxlit's work on macro parsing?
03:24.05Arrowmasterin opie
03:24.10Jamashk
03:24.16Arrowmasterxpcall (f, err [, arg1, ···])
03:24.19Arrowmaster^win
03:24.53Irielhttp://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/
03:24.57IrielIf you want to actually download it
03:25.04alestaneI believe they said before that that was a laudable request, but we wouldn't likely see it before Lua 5.2.
03:25.16ScytheBlade1Iriel: yup, that's what I'm running, it's neat
03:25.46IrielI installed it via the barcode from my screen, that's neat, i'll have to use that trick myself
03:26.19Arrowmasteri thought those were q-codes or something, not barcodes
03:26.20ScytheBlade1Yeah, QR codes are nice
03:26.28ScytheBlade1^
03:26.32IrielYes, i'm being deliberately imprecise
03:29.11Wobinugh
03:29.19WobinI need early beartanking advice
03:30.13Jamashyou tank with your face
03:30.17Stanzillaswipe
03:30.19Stanzillaswipe
03:30.20Stanzillarepeat
03:30.26Wobinand starting off?
03:30.31Wobinwith, say, zero rage
03:30.35Stanzillaberserk
03:30.41Wobinah... haven't got that yet =(
03:30.42Stanzillaif that is on CD you just taunt
03:30.59alestane"Function table.maxn is deprecated. Write it in Lua if you really need it. "
03:31.02Stanzillaand I meant enrage
03:31.03StanzillaI think
03:31.05Stanzillanot berserk
03:31.10JamashI think enrage is correct
03:31.11Wobinoh, that I have
03:31.53Stanzillaon groups you just swipe and maul
03:31.57Stanzillawith the maul glyph
03:32.08Wobinoh that's right =P
03:32.09Wobinglyphs
03:32.15WobinSo. Maul glyph
03:32.29Wobinwhat should I have for the other for the moment?
03:32.42Irielalestane: I think that's a really good change, too few people realize how bad maxn was 8-)
03:33.03alestaneThey're moving unpack into the table library.
03:33.14Arrowmasterwtf is table.pack
03:33.27IrielI think the new lexical environment stuff is interesting
03:33.48IrielReally i'd like table.packn and table.unpackn, I hate having to write those myself
03:34.06StanzillaWobin: I use growling (+hit on taunt) and survival instincts (moar hp)
03:34.45JamashWobin: What level are you?
03:35.04alestaneSo if I understand it right, if you say, "in module(...) do function blah(...) something; end end", then not only will module(...).blah be set to the function, but that function's environment will be module.
03:35.09Wobin76
03:35.19Irielyes
03:35.25Irielas long as blah wasn't local
03:35.55alestaneThat is very intriguing and also implies that environments are not meant to be changed or queried at run time except as a debugging function.
03:36.20alestaneTies into the change we had to require for protecting the secure closures.
03:36.32IrielIndeed, I think that's a good thing at present, I haven't come up with a reason why it could be bad.
03:36.51IrielEnvironments become visible by choice only.
03:37.21Arrowmasteri dont like the removal of getfenv(0)
03:37.30IrielArrowmaster: why not?
03:37.33IrielYou have 'environment' now
03:37.40Arrowmasteryou do?
03:37.40IrielWhich is the same value, but already pulled into a local
03:38.12Iriel"Expression exp is evaluated only once in the beginning of the statement and it is stored in a hidden local variable named (environment). "
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03:38.31IrielI assume that applies to the 'initial' environment, let me compile it and check
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03:39.27Arrowmasterand is that protected? you cant do '(environment) = {}'
03:39.58alestaneThey're adding negative indices to select, so you can look at the end of the expression list.
03:41.16IrielHm, actually, they say "hidden local variable" - I wonder if it's visible by default
03:41.22Irielprobably not, thus the 'hidden'
03:41.33IrielGuess we'll see if that means 'in the bytecode' or 'in the runtime'
03:41.54Arrowmastermaybe the 'hidden' just means 'you cant fuck with it using the debug stuff for locals'
03:42.49IrielHm, it's really hidden, ah well
03:42.58Iriellocal p = print in {} do p("hello") p(environment) end
03:42.58Irielhello
03:42.58Irielnil
03:43.19Arrowmasterits (environment) not environment
03:43.23Iriel_G still exists
03:43.37IrielArrowmaster: good catch
03:43.57Irielbut other environments become 'by deliberate exposure only'
03:44.02IrielPersonally I think that's an improvement
03:44.27Irielbecause you can always do local E = whatever; in E do _G = E; ... stuff ... end
03:44.33Arrowmasterso will we start using 'local _G = (environment)' instead of 'local _G = getfenv(0)'
03:44.53ZorbaTHuthaving a keyword that has to exist in parenthesis is kind of wonky
03:44.54IrielThe local is called '(environment)' - you CANT get to it from lua code
03:45.01Irielit's really hidden
03:45.06Arrowmasterok
03:45.08Irielthe name is for debug access
03:45.11Irielas far as I can tell
03:45.18alestaneBecause the parser will never recognize it as a token.
03:45.41Arrowmasterso my disagreement over removal of getfenv(0) stands
03:45.47ZorbaTHutpoor mike pall, just as he was finishing up luajit2
03:46.22Irielprint (debug.getfenv(function() end))
03:46.38Arrowmasterthat requires the debug library though
03:46.43alestaneI think you'd just have to say "local _G = _G" before your "in" statement.
03:46.43IrielArrowmaster: Yes, it still stands. I think the change is a good one myself, but I can see it would annoy people
03:46.53Irielalestane: Depends what you want _G to be
03:47.01Irielalestane: I wanted it to be the new environment in my example
03:47.11Irielbut maybe you'd want local _G = _G; local _E = whateveer; in _E do stuff end
03:47.28Arrowmasteri want the global environment, and not whatever some other fuck tard sets to _G
03:47.46ZorbaTHut_G = "bunnies are cute"
03:48.31alestaneYour code is encapsulated. Your global environment is whatever environment your code was run from. Why do you need access to code that could be highly variable outside that horizon?
03:49.12IrielI think he's saying he doesn't trust the other kids in the pool
03:49.43alestaneWell, right. But they don't have to trust him, either, if they load his code into an environment of their specifying.
03:50.03alestaneThis change encourages the code to be cleanly encapsulated.
03:50.12IrielRight, like I said, I think it's nice that lua doesn't BY DEFAULT break encapsulation
03:50.29IrielBut his valid point is it's annoying that lua by default doesn't provide a way to find out what your current environment is
03:50.41IrielYou need to rely on 'what it should be' or have help from C
03:51.05alestaneBut if you've created your function correctly, no-one else can modify your environment.
03:51.16IrielHe's not worried about a private environment
03:51.27Irielhe's worried about running in a shared environment where some idiot redefined _G before he ran
03:51.40Arrowmasterpoints at jncl
03:52.30Irieljncl?
03:52.45Arrowmasterfucktard responsible for skinner
03:52.58IrielWell, the chance that wow will adopt 5.2 any time soon is slim, I'd guess
03:53.07Irieland if/when it does, we can ask for getglobalenv()
03:53.10Iriel8-)
03:53.21alestaneI get what he's worried about, but if you have to break out to the thread environment, you're usually doing something wrong.
03:53.49cbreakand if you have to break out of the secure environment? :)
03:54.27alestanecbreak: Actually, this change would probably have saved us several headaches in securing the sandbox.
03:54.49kd3grrs at TT
03:55.20cbreaknot doing it would have saved our healers from having to raid without watching tv :/
03:57.19alestaneLegion, I remember someone who showed up wanting a smart macro that would refresh Lifebloom on several tanks simultaneously, and one of the regulars went OFF on them, something like "Translation: I am too busy stuffing microwave pizzas to be bothered thinking about the people who are critically dependent on my support," but much snarkier.
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03:57.46alestane"...stuffing microwave pizzas *into my mouth* to be..."
03:57.59Wobinheh
03:58.03DagmarBizarre.  LFD is telling my guild leader he can't queue for HoR because he needs better gear
03:58.08Wobinotherwise it could be construed as being a part time job =P
03:58.21DagmarThis is the same guy I've done it with 3-4 times now.  Heh
03:58.30kd3they upped gear requirements on HoR this week
03:58.32kd3a few days ago
03:58.33Wobinah
03:58.40Wobinthat's why I couldn't get in on my hunter
03:58.59alestaneDagmar: I think the gear requirement calculation not only considers total gear level, but also your gear "spread".
03:59.20alestaneSo one lower-level piece may have an unusually strong effect on your threshold.
03:59.49IrielI am so screwed if I ever try to use that tool.
04:00.04DagmarIt's being a bit oversensitive about it since he tanked it
04:00.49DagmarEverything hes' got is 200 or higher, and he's averaging 213
04:01.04alestaneThey're making bitlib baseline.
04:01.38Arrowmasterexcept its limited to 32bits
04:01.59kdtreshanyone really bored or have an alt they're looking to level a profession on?
04:09.47batrickalestane: thread environments will no longer exist in 5.2
04:10.03batrickthere is a *real* global table int he global state structure
04:10.37alestaneAnd chunks use it as their environment by default, then?
04:10.49batricknew chunks do, yes
04:10.58batrickunless you change it using loadin
04:11.14batrick(i think that will end up being changed in some way, maybe an extra arg to all load functions)
04:13.23alestaneI presume you can still say "local newFunc; in {_G=_G} do newFunc = coroutine.wrap(someFunc) end newFunc()" or something alogn those lines.
04:13.46alestanebatrick: Not necessarily, load() looks like a functional replacement to loadstring.
04:14.23alestaneDoes anyone understand what they mean by "ephemeron tables"?
04:14.34Irielkeys that have expired never show up, IIRC
04:14.40batrickalestane: ? loadstring still exists
04:14.42Irielrather than possibly showing up with nil values
04:14.56Irielbatrick: I think his point was it may exist, but you dont need to use it
04:15.06alestanebatrick: Yes, but you can emulate it with load. I think it's there for compatibility.
04:15.16batrickah well, true that
04:16.16alestaneYou could redefine loadstring(string, chunk) as load(string, chunk or string) and I think it would be functionally equivalent.
04:16.56batricki'm a bit disappointed how the max c stack thing turned out
04:18.19batricki'm starting to really like this new environment change
04:18.27batricknow that i'm learning all of what it entails
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04:42.24cog|awayis it just me or does the "rarity" dropdown on the AH not do a damn thing?
04:46.55Nechcknhrm.. it should
04:47.14Seerahcog - was working the last time I used it (a week or two ago)
04:47.26NechcknAt least with Auctioneer active it does In the midst of a bid-down, so I cannot deactivate right now
04:47.45NechcknYou are searching after changing the state, right?
04:48.15Nechcknit does not affect things as you are changing the state
04:48.40cog|awayyeah... i select armor, put in a level range, select uncommon (green) and search and it comes up with everything.
04:48.40Nechcknjust tosses that out there, "in case".
04:48.53Nechcknhrm, odd
04:49.11Seerahcog|away: should be uncommon and above
04:49.20cog|awaybleh
04:49.30NechcknYeah, what seerah said =)
04:49.40cog|awaywell that's not what i want... *grumble*
04:49.50Seerah~comfort cog|away
04:49.51purlThere, there, cog|away.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
04:49.58cog|away~hug
04:49.59purlACTION hugs cog|away
04:50.29Nechcknthe General Searcher in Auc Suites SearchUI will do what you want
04:50.36Nechcknnot sure if you use it, though....
04:51.24cog|awaymrs cog does all our auctioning... i'm just trying to find disenchantables to get another 25 points...
04:51.50cog|awayso i can start on northrend stuff
04:51.58Seerahcog|away: what I do is select Uncommon and then sort by price (all the greens are cheaper than blues anyway)
04:52.07cog|away*nod* that's what i'm doing now
04:52.09Seerahafter entering level range in
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04:53.46Nechcknthe Disenchant Searcher allows you to search/sort by desired crafting result, your current/anticipated level, etc.  But, I digress... not sure what else to do besides what you are right now.
04:54.10Seerahcog|away: I have 47 Arcane Dust :)
04:54.29Seerahout of essences though from ring enchants
04:54.30NechcknPut that lady or yours to work, cog|away  Tell her- moar goods!!!
04:54.52NechcknAlthough that could end poorly.  =)
04:54.57cog|awayshe's been sick the last couple days :'(
04:55.14NechcknOh.. yikes.  I would almost assuredly end poorly, then.
04:55.23Nechckns/I/it/
04:55.54NechcknGive her large amounts of Nyquil and hope for a speedy recovery
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05:12.17ScytheBlade1That explains why my status updates weren't being sent from my server...
05:12.22ScytheBlade1crontab was installed
05:12.26ScytheBlade1crond was not running!
05:12.41cog|awaylol crowned
05:12.55ScytheBlade1yeah :(
05:14.10ScytheBlade1ah well, sleep
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05:33.38Arrowmasterin what?
05:40.36AntiarcWoW
05:40.52AntiarcI'm contemplating how to streamline Mumble connect usage
05:41.20AntiarcRight now, I can paste a url like mumble://server:port/?version=1.2.0 and you can copy/paste it into a browser or start -> run to launch that server
05:41.37AntiarcWhich is neat, but I'd like to be able to just click a URL like that in chat, and then have a daemon watching the clipboard for Mumble URLs.
05:42.54Arrowmasteryeah in wow you have to ctrl-c
05:43.53AntiarcHowever
05:44.04AntiarcI can make Chatter parse Mumble links, and add your character name into the URL
05:44.07AntiarcSo you connect as yourcharacter
05:44.09AntiarcWhich is baller.
05:44.47Arrowmasterhack that into the urlcopy module?
05:44.51AntiarcYup.
05:44.59AntiarcI'm gonna put it in and push in a bit.
05:45.18Antiarcmumble://MyName@server:port/?version=1.2.0 - makes you connect as "MyName"
05:45.26AntiarcFar better than spamming vent connect info macros.
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06:44.16durcyn"put it in and push", you say.
06:44.41Thunder_Childdont get your hopes up durcyn
06:48.06Shirikpreg_replace( '!(\\\\\\\\)*(\\\\)?/!', '$1\/', $pattern );
06:48.08Shirikow...
06:49.13Cide[[ ]] ftw
06:49.37Cideor raw strings in python
06:49.42Shirikbut does anyone see what that's for?
06:49.58Shiriktake the following value of $pattern: ?[,;: \|]\d{1,2}/\d{1,2}/\d{2,4}\b[^/]
06:50.04Shirikit appears to turn it into the same thing?
06:50.20ShirikI'm thinking it's supposed to somehow provide some escaping
06:50.20Cidewell yes
06:50.36Cidedoesn't it remove escaping?
06:50.42Shirikoh does it remove it?
06:50.52ShirikI don't know, I don't understand this code
06:51.03Shirikhttp://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.parser.php?revision=57456&view=markup
06:51.07Shiriksearch for function keywordRegex
06:51.19Cidetakes multiples of 4 backslashes followed by optionally 2
06:51.35Cideand then removes the two
06:52.02Shirikbut my regex debugger is saying the forward slashes are matching
06:52.06Cidesince * is greedy it reduces backslashes from 4n+2 to 4n for integer n
06:52.09Shirikbut being replaced with the same thing
06:52.15Cidewhy? I have no fucking idea
06:52.57Shirikthis code looks really strange
06:53.23Cidewait
06:53.35Cidein php you have to escape backslashes
06:53.39Shirikyes
06:53.41Cideso 4 is actually 1
06:53.45Shirikso each of those is a double
06:53.51Shirikand then a double for the regex
06:53.56Cideso it takes \\\ and turns it into \\
06:54.06Shirikstill begs the question "why"
06:54.12Cideor optionally \ into ""
06:54.20Shirikspecifically, it turns \\\/ into \\/
06:54.24Shirikor \/ into /
06:54.27Cideyep
06:54.30Shirikbut still, why
06:54.37Cide?[,;: \|]\d{1,2}/\d{1,2}/\d{2,4}\b[^/]
06:54.37Shirikthat looks like it would only make things WORSE
06:54.50Cidewould transform that into
06:55.02Shirikthe exact same thing
06:55.05Cideyep
06:55.10Cideother example regexes?
06:55.15Shirikanything you can think of
06:55.21Shirikit's basically taking in a custom supplied regex
06:55.27Cideah
06:56.14Shirikthis really seems wrong
06:56.41Cidehas to do with the regex parsing
06:56.47Cidesince it uses /<pattern>/u
06:57.41Cideis the custom supplied regex being fed directly in?
06:57.47Cideor is something like addslashes() being called first?
06:57.52ShirikI showed you the code :P
06:57.58Cideshh
06:58.06Shirikit's just running that one "correction" regex and then sending it in as /$pattern/m
06:58.13Shirikwhich seems extremely wrong
06:59.43Cidehm
06:59.47Cideit's stored in a database?
07:00.05Cidejust tell me, it's 8am
07:02.52CideShirik: what's the AFPData class used for?
07:03.02ShirikI have no idea; I've never looked at this code before
07:03.38Cideanyway, the only place keywordRegex is called is in doLevelSpecialWords
07:03.54Cideand that's through the line $result = AFPData::$func( $result, $r2, $this->mCur->pos );
07:04.51Cide$r2 = new AFPData() which is passed in as the second parameter
07:05.05Cideand then $pattern = (new AFPData())->toString()
07:05.28CidetoString() on the other hand calls return self::castTypes( $this, self::DString )->data;
07:06.32CideI have no idea why it's there
07:06.34CideIgive up
07:09.46ShirikI sent the author an email
07:09.49Shirikperhaps he can give some insight
07:11.31Cideoh, um
07:11.36Cideit's a single quoted string
07:13.22Cideso it in fact ensures that the number of backspaces preceding a / is odd
07:13.54Cidewhich makes a lot of sense because if it's even they will consume each other and leave the / as the pattern end delimiter
07:14.22Cideso the regex ensures that any / in the supplied pattern is properly escaped
07:15.13Cideso if you feed it the pattern / it turns it into \/ which escapes the /
07:15.22Cideif you feed it \\/ it turns it into \\\/
07:15.31Cideif you feed it \\\/ it does nothing
07:15.59Cideare you following? :P
07:16.40CideShirik: tell me you're following so I can sleep :&
07:16.54ShirikI disagree
07:17.18Shirik\\\/ becomes \\/
07:17.22Shirik\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/ becomes \\/
07:17.32Shirik\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\*infinity + \\/ becomes \\/
07:17.51Cideno
07:18.13Cidewe consider the first parameter to preg_replace()
07:18.18Cide'!(\\\\\\\\)*(\\\\)?/!'
07:18.34Cidein single quotes in php, double backslash in code becomes single backslash in the string
07:18.59Shirikthe "regex" is (\\)*(\)?/
07:19.01Cideso if we are to forget about escaping it looks like !(\\\\)*(\\)?/!
07:19.18Cidenow, the regex wants its backslashes escaped in turn, so we end up with what you said
07:19.43Shirikno
07:19.51Shirikit's (\\)* not (\\*)
07:20.01Shirik$1 can ONLY return \\
07:20.21Cideah, yes, whatever
07:20.29Cideyou're slightly more right
07:20.35Cidenow, consider the second parameter
07:20.39Cide'$1\/'
07:20.48Cidehere, the backslash isn't used to escape the \
07:20.53Shirikthere's actually a warning in my debugger
07:20.55Cidein fact, it will be added as is
07:21.18ShirikNote: You repeated the capturing group itself. The group will only capture the last iteration. Put a capturing group around the repeated group to capture all iterations.
07:21.47Cideso the replacement will be \\\/ or \/, depending on if (\\)* captured >0 or 0 repeats respectively
07:22.07Cidethe key being that '$1\/' is treated in the same way [[$1\/]] would be in lua
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07:22.26Shirikright
07:22.38Shirikbut $1 is either nothing or \
07:22.42Cide\\
07:22.45Shiriksorry, \\
07:22.48Cideyes
07:23.01Cideand then appends another backslash
07:23.10Cideso you end up with 0+1 or 2+1 backslashes, which is always odd
07:23.19Cideso the regex ensures that the number of backslashes preceding a forward slash is odd
07:23.48Cidewhich in turn ensures that the forward slash is always escaped in the regex created on the following line, "/$pattern/u"
07:24.29Cidehence it'll correctly be parsed as a forward slash rather than the regex delimiter
07:25.55ShirikEXCEPT
07:25.59Shirikif it's unescaped to begin with
07:26.09Cidethen it still works
07:26.15Cide'!(\\\\\\\\)*(\\\\)?/!'
07:26.20Cideor rather
07:26.31Cide(\\)*(\)?/
07:26.44Cidethe * matches 0, the ? matches 0
07:26.49Shirikright
07:26.52Shirikbut it outputs /
07:26.55Cideno
07:26.58Cideit outputs \/
07:27.02Cide<Cide> the key being that '$1\/' is treated in the same way [[$1\/]] would be in lua
07:27.02Shirikwhere does the \ come from?
07:27.19ShirikI... don't think it is
07:27.25ShirikI think it's treated as $1/
07:27.27Cidehttp://se.php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php#language.types.string.syntax.single
07:27.37CideTo specify a literal single quote, escape it with a backslash (\). To specify a literal backslash before a single quote, or at the end of the string, double it (\\). Note that attempting to escape any other character will print the backslash too.
07:27.52Shirikoh...
07:27.54Shirikok then
07:27.59CideI win at 8am
07:28.03Cideembarassing!
07:28.13Wobin\
07:28.14Shirikfu I already won a ton of other things
07:28.16Cide=D
07:28.17Wobinoh crazy
07:28.19Cidethat said
07:28.25Wobinmy font renders backspace as the yen symbol
07:28.27Cideregexes without explanation are a stupid idea
07:28.32Wobiner backslash
07:28.40Shirik\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
07:28.42Wobinso it was confusing the utter heck out of me
07:28.48Cideespecially when they make use of subtle features of php's string parsing
07:28.58Wobin$1 is either nothing or a single yen?
07:29.34Cidenight Shirik!
07:29.40Shiriknight
07:29.50CideI'll sleep well knowing I was right
07:29.57ArrowmasterWobin: so you have your locale set to japanese or something?
07:30.19WobinArrowmaster, nah, just using a font that renders asian characters
07:30.25Wobinyet is still decent to look at
07:31.17Cidenight~
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07:33.47Shirik\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
07:33.54Shirikyenyenyenyen
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07:39.17Shirikchihuahua wearing a taco
07:39.27Shirikhe's eating salsa and wearing a taco
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09:04.50wakatakeyo
09:05.02wakatakeis it possible to auto buyout unknowns from AH??
09:12.12Fiskerbtw jnwhiteh i told you
09:12.20jnwhitehlol
09:12.43jnwhitehtracking no work yet?
09:12.56Fiskersays shipment data received
09:13.25Fiskeri'm guessing it won't be sent until monday though :(
09:13.28jnwhitehcool!
09:13.30jnwhitehprobably not
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09:17.40ShirikFisker, 4chan ate your packages
09:18.49wakatakehmm anyone using auctioneer?
09:23.38jnwhitehShirik: 4chan was in my house
09:23.40jnwhitehis scared
09:23.45Shirik!
09:23.56Fiskeryou're 4chan
09:26.57Shirikit's true, I have usurped 4chan
09:27.22Shirikhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uranium&diff=prev&oldid=335426169
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09:50.09Adys"if it wasn't for lax security there wouldn't be so many theifing pricks in the world."
09:50.11Adysyoungsters
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09:55.00Shirik?
09:56.44AdysShirik: slashdot comment
09:56.55Adyspeople are naive
09:57.21Adysits like saying "if we had more food there wouldn't be starving children in the world"
09:57.59ShirikIf we had more food there would be more shows like "the biggest loser"
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10:12.28mikmatekkub: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/bear-fight.jpg
10:12.47tekkubyup
10:25.31AdysOMG I'M AWESOME
10:25.38Adysconvinced some asshole in trade chat gearscore was bad
10:25.53zenzelezzcheers for Adys
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10:28.47jnwhiteh16 minute wait on a level 25 for dungeon queue =/
10:29.03jnwhiteheven when I went on as tank =/
10:29.07Fisker2 times azjol-nerub
10:30.20zenzelezzI'd say a 16-minute wait at level 25 sounds reasonable
10:32.21Wobinhttp://www.vgmerchandise.com/store/pages.php?pageid=4
10:32.44jnwhitehI could roll another healer, lol
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10:39.23zenzelezzso, the Sea Shepherd ship "Bob Barker" sailed under a Norwegian flag, trying to fool the Japanese. My respect for them is closing in on 0
10:43.29Fiskerwhy so norwegian zenzelezz ?
10:43.36zenzelezzI was born this way
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10:56.20Fiskerhaste
10:56.37Fiskerdid you respect the whale wars crew before sailing under a norwegian flag?
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11:15.44Fiskerslaps haste around a bit with a large trout
11:15.45Fiskerslaps Kalroth around a bit with a large trout
11:15.58Kalrothbegs for more
11:18.27KalrothSkip a beat and move with your body, dance with your body, slow
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11:31.03Fiskerpoor Adys
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11:46.49FiskerAnyone know if Wowhead has a list of over engineerable mobs?
11:48.25Fiskerbtw jnwhiteh :O
11:48.40FiskerSome guy claims that by the time you get the tracking number it's already on the plane to the UK
11:48.55Fiskerand they also said that they do actually work on saturdays :O!
11:49.15jnwhitehheh
11:49.26jnwhitehwell, we'll see =)
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12:16.37Fiskerwtb autoloot
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12:40.40AudibleFisker : i can get you a cheap bot if thats what you are looking for
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13:10.02zenzelezzone does not simply submerge into Mordor
13:11.43CairennWobin: heh
13:12.31zenzelezzCairenn: did you see the cat/pun picture yesterday?
13:12.39Cairennnot sure
13:12.42zenzelezzhttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/07/funny-pictures-editor-kitty/
13:12.50Cairennoh, yeah, saw that one, is cute
13:13.07zenzelezzlurves puns
13:13.14Cairennyou know what I hate? metal splinters
13:13.26zenzelezzdepends who they hit
13:13.44CairennI swear they hurt even more than regular (wooden) splinters
13:13.56zenzelezzwould make sense
13:14.00zenzelezzyou caught some?
13:14.04Cairennyeah
13:14.11Cairennin my hands
13:14.13zenzelezzhow?
13:14.38Cairenntaking down, then putting back up, shelving brackets
13:15.10zenzelezz:(
13:15.13Cairennpainted daughter's bedroom, and kitchen, so all the bookshelves had to come down off her walls
13:15.42Cairennso of course, metal screws against metal brackets = slivers
13:16.05zenzelezzmake sure to remind her of the blood, sweat and tears that went into the job then
13:16.09Cairennheh
13:17.34Cairennno tears
13:17.37Cairennjust blood & sweat
13:18.04zenzelezzbut she doesn't know that
13:18.20Cairennsure she does, she's been helping with it all
13:18.48zenzelezzI see
13:18.49Fiskerties up zenzelezz
13:19.16zenzelezzsorry, I only do that with Cairenn and peppy
13:19.23Cairennpurrs
13:20.42Fiskeryou don't have a choice zenzelezz
13:21.16zenzelezzyour powers don't work in this realm
13:22.08Fiskerbut they do
13:22.50zenzelezznope. You may think you've tied me up, but it was actually haste
13:24.24Fiskerbut you said you only did that with Cairenn and peppy
13:24.28Fiskeri don't think haste is either of them
13:24.46zenzelezzthat's because I was never involved, it was only you and him
13:25.02zenzelezzyour fish-eyes don't notice such differences
13:25.55Fiskeroh u actually
13:28.04frontendloaderunix question time
13:28.11frontendloaderhow do I unzip an archive that is named
13:28.19frontendloader-[damnitjim.zip
13:28.25frontendloaderwithout renaming it
13:28.34zenzelezzunzip *damnitjim.zip ?
13:29.05frontendloaderI've tried escaping the - but aparently it still recognizes it as a flag
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13:30.04frontendloaderstill no dice lol
13:30.19frontendloaderope, quotes worked
13:30.37frontendloadernow to punch the guy that named it that
13:30.44zenzelezzout of curiosity, why couldn't you rename it?
13:30.48frontendloaderI could
13:30.57frontendloaderbut I didn't want to :/
13:31.13zenzelezzthat's what I meant, why not?
13:32.03frontendloaderwanted to find a way to do it without doing that
13:52.56cbreakmake a symlink to the file
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14:00.23Cruciformerq: with this new lfd thing the server knows if there is an enchanter in the group. Is ther a way to determine that from an addon?
14:01.19Cruciformerfrontendloader: I realize the answr is a bit late but I just reattached screen
14:01.29Cruciformerfrontendloader: unzip -- -filewithdash.zip
14:03.49Cruciformerits a pretty standard convention with UNIX command lines that -- on its own terminates the argument list so after that you can put any filenames or wildcard expansions that start with -'s
14:04.06frontendloaderthanks Cruciformer
14:04.13wereHamsternot just terminates, but act as a delimiter
14:04.32Cruciformerwell technically it sets optind :)
14:04.45wereHamsterin tools which use getopt...
14:04.53Cruciformerand will cause getopt() to stop processing arguments
14:04.58cbreakwildcards are evaluated by the shell
14:05.17cbreakI don't think it's stopped by --
14:05.22CruciformerwereHamster: which is why I sai "pretty standard" not "ubiquitous" becuase 95% of all command line processing is done with getopt
14:05.45cbreakand indeed, it's not
14:06.14Cruciformercbreak: it stops the program from interpreting them as options. the shell expands wildcard before the program is even exec'ed, so ls -a -l -- * ... any file name called -d would be listed just as -d not taken as an argument to ls
14:06.25cbreakexactly.
14:06.50cbreakif you want to pass globs to an app, you have to escape them
14:06.50frontendloadermoral of the story
14:06.52cbreakor quote them
14:06.57frontendloaderdon't name your files stupid things
14:07.25Cruciformernah the moral of the story is name your files anything that has real meaning and know how to escape funky shit if it really needs to be in the filename
14:07.40wereHamsterCruciformer: I didn't say you were wrong, but don't think of it just as a terminator, but a delimiter that tells the command to stop processing the arguments as something and start parsing them as something else
14:07.58Cruciformerwere: a good point.
14:08.19wereHamster(this comes especially handy once you start using git ;) )
14:08.28cbreak(do that right now)
14:08.31Cruciformeractually if I remember the getopt code right you can do ls -a -- * -- -l -d
14:09.11Cruciformerso it really is a delimiter
14:09.19Cruciformerbut I am open to correction on that point.
14:09.46CruciformerI think the SVR5 getopt does that but the bsd one might now ... cant speak for GNU getopt.
14:09.52Cruciformernow=not
14:11.04zenzelezz"The special argument ‘--’ forces in all cases the end of option scanning. "
14:11.17zenzelezzhttp://www.gnu.org/s/libc/manual/html_node/Using-Getopt.html#Using-Getopt
14:11.37Cruciformerthere you have it then. and glibc is pretty POSIX-ish so Im sure they all behave that way.
14:12.51Cruciformerwhats the name of the glibc-spinoff that is basicaly glibc without ulrich dreper? Is it uclibc?
14:14.09Arrowmastereglibc?
14:16.37Cruciformerseems both uclibc and eglibc are dreper-free glibc's.
14:18.45wereHamsterthere's also newlib :)
14:18.50Fiskerslaps Cruciformer around a bit with a large trout
14:18.56Fiskerhelp me Cruciformer
14:18.59Cruciformerlikes it
14:19.05Cruciformerwotchewneed?
14:19.16zenzelezzlet's not forget Adlib
14:19.53Fiskeri need you to kill zenzelezz
14:20.21Cruciformerdo u know his approximate geographic location? I have a small nuke at my disposal.
14:20.27Fiskernorway
14:20.36Fiskerjust keep it north enough to not affect denmark too much
14:20.57CruciformerI guess using tsar bomba is out of the question then
14:22.27Cruciformerim pretty sure wikipedia is wrong about tsar bomba
14:22.53CruciformerI could have sworn the actual yield was 61 megatons not 50 as they claim.
14:23.27Cruciformereither way ...a BFB by any standards.
14:26.36Cruciformeryou gotta love a bomb with an 8-kilometer diameter fireball.
14:26.47zenzelezzdepends how close you are
14:27.07Cruciformerthe deploy plane only just escaped it
14:27.13zenzelezzheh
14:28.24Cruciformer"The subsequent mushroom cloud was about 64 kilometres (40 mi) high (nearly seven times higher than Mount Everest) and 40 kilometres (25 mi) wide." -- gotta love those ruskis
14:28.55zenzelezzsize did matter in the cold war
14:28.56Cruciformerit sure did
14:29.23Cruciformerand that was the ;scaled back" version of the bomb becuase they didnt want it to be "dirty". the design originally was for a 100MT bomb.
14:29.38zenzelezzsheesh
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14:30.53Cruciformerthe fision-fusion process, lasting 39 nanoseconds ... "This is equivalent to approximately 1.4% of the power output of the Sun."
14:31.09Cruciformerscary to think humans did that.
14:37.11wereHamsterhey, only 71 of these bombs and we get the power output of the sun :)
14:37.33zenzelezzat least we can't sustain it for eight billion years
14:37.40Cruciformerindeed :) But only for 39 nanoseconds
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15:02.08Fiskerhttp://gizmodo.com/5444350/googles-nexus-one-costs-17415 <-successful trolls
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15:11.59cbreakI remember those from the iPhone
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15:16.21ZasHi all
15:17.12alestaneMorning.
15:17.54ZasDoes anyone know how I can establish if I am inside oroutside?  GatherMate uses:
15:17.54Zaslocal indoors = GetCVar("minimapZoom")+0 ==Minimap:GetZoom() and "outdoor" or "indoor"
15:18.08ZasBut I can't get it to work! LOL
15:18.40alestaneFor what purpose do you want to know if you're in or out?
15:19.36ZasI am trying to find out as it apears that the minimap scale is different if you are inside or outside
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15:23.39ZasAs in when zoomed out and outside the minimap could be say 30 yards across but when you go inside it zooms in so when you are zoomed out it may only be 15 yards across :-)
15:24.16ZasSo If I am going to put something on the minimap I need to know if I am zoomed in or out to work out how bigger area I am looking at. :-D
15:24.59ZasI just figured that I mustn't be the only one that has come across this so there must be an easy way to work out that I am missing :-)
15:25.28alestaneI'd say modules like GatherMate are good models then.
15:26.22PolarinaZas: You will need to account for users with rotate-minimap enabled too.
15:26.25ZasYer thats what I figured... I will keep working at it! Must be missing something as I can't see how it expects to work it out using a variable
15:27.08PolarinaZas: And the yard radius of the minimap isn't a constant based on whether the user is inside or not.
15:27.14ZasYer thats OK I have found code for that from GatherMate but its just this inside outside that I can't get to work even inside gathermate :-)
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15:28.01ZasI thought it would be (taking zoom level into account aswell) which I can already pull back
15:28.46ZasIs that what you mean?
15:29.53PolarinaYes.
15:30.06PolarinaBut account for rotate-minimap or you can severely annoy users.
15:30.33ZasYer don't worry it will drive me mad 2! ;-)
15:31.00ZasI use rotate some times aswell especially when mining which is what this is for! :D
15:31.16Polarina:D
15:32.27ZasThats not a problem as I have a equation for that its just working out if I am inside or outside... Maybe that part will be for another day! ;-)
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15:40.57Thunder_Childi am higly amused, make sure to look at page 2 http://www.obnoxiousmail.com/
15:42.20FiskerNO!
15:42.39Kalrothfisker@youwouldnt.com
15:43.44Fiskerit is cold Kalroth
15:43.49Fiskerhave you considered that?
15:44.01Kalrothfucking cold yes
15:44.01Thunder_Childbut oh so right
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16:12.39nightcrackerhi all
16:12.54zenzelezzhello
16:13.15nightcrackerWOW, is this even possible? Cairenn not online?!?!
16:13.23nightcrackeroh
16:13.25CairennCairenn is so online
16:13.25nightcrackerthere she is
16:13.28Cairennheh
16:13.30zenzelezz:-p
16:13.30nightcrackerlike the devil
16:13.36nightcracker2 secs ago you showed offline
16:13.47nightcrackero.0
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16:15.41nightcrackerCairenn, are you familiar with the thing called "sleep"?
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16:15.48CairennI've heard of it, yes
16:16.27nightcrackerYou disappoint me. :P
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16:32.43Cairennnightcracker: it's called helping keep my friend balanced :(
16:33.19Cairennshe's slept maybe 8 hrs total since Sunday night and has lost 20lbs ....
16:33.45ZasurusMy god! That doesn't sound good!
16:34.08Cairennwish to god I could fix things for her, but not a damn thing I can do other than try to be here for her :(
16:34.16nightcrackerOuch
16:34.30nightcrackerAnd you = Cairenn's friend
16:34.41Cairennnope
16:34.43nightcracker?
16:35.11nightcrackerOk, then who is the person on Cairenn
16:35.21nightcracker's account then, and who is "her"?
16:35.28nightcrackerBecause then I don't get it.
16:35.29Cairennmy husband's best friend died Sunday night, this is his wife that I'm talking about ... more family than friend
16:35.53Cairennso I've been taking the night shift, talking to her on-line, etc
16:36.13Cairennthis is me
16:36.22nightcrackerAhhhhh now I get it
16:36.26nightcrackerI'm so sorry :(
16:36.33Cairennshe's a wreck
16:36.57Cairennand so very little I can do for her, given that she's in NJ USA and I'm in ON Canada
16:37.13Cairennbut I can at least hold her hand virtually, through the nights
16:37.19nightcrackerMake sure to keep her away from drugs & alcohol, people tend to fall for it when their weak.
16:37.32Cairennoh, I know
16:37.42Cairennwish I could do more :(
16:37.46Cairenncan't bring him back though
16:38.15nightcrackerResurrection
16:38.24CairennI'd give just about anything to be able to, though
16:38.39nightcrackerHow about your soul?
16:38.42nightcracker>.<
16:39.02CairennI said "just about"
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17:09.38Zasurusis now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes
17:10.48CairennZasurus: please turn off the auto-away/auto-back messages
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17:15.08cbreakis not away - Reason : Food's not ready yet
17:15.38Cairennheh
17:18.22Thunder_Childis away - anoying Cairenn
17:18.29Cairennpokes Thunder_Child
17:19.15Thunder_Childremotly pokes back
17:19.34ZasurusOK... give me a sec to work out where the setting is! LOL
17:20.05ZasurusFound it! :-) Off...
17:28.56Cairennthank you :)
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17:55.26alestaneNow that's a pretty win comment (from the Lua mailing list): "The art of getting a computer language off the ground, with all due respect to Douglas Adams, should not be hurling it towards C++ and missing."
17:56.28foxlitwell, points for the reference, but the metaphor seems to be pretty thin.
17:56.40foxlithurling a language towards C++ seems to be virtually meaningless.
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17:57.43alestaneIt made a little bit more sense in context.
18:03.58Cralor`Hmm... I'm setting up SVN, but it never prompted me for my password.
18:05.15Cralor`Shouldn't I be prompted for a password when accessing using the Developer URL?
18:05.17nightcrackerlold at alestan
18:09.17ZasurusI have come across a strange way of doing a kinda if else but more compact while looking at the code for GatherMate. The author has done this: indoors = (GetCVar("minimapZoom") == Minimap:GetZoom()) and "outdoor" or "indoor";              it seems that if you use (true and 1 or 2) it will return 1 and if you use (false and 1 or 2) it will return 2... is this correct and intended use or just a sideaffect I should avoid using?
18:09.43cbreakit's just the way how it works
18:10.32alestaneIt's a well-known, documented and frequently used attribute of Lua.
18:11.07cbreaka ? b : c
18:11.07ZasurusOh cool :-) Is there an entry in wowwiki about it? Wouldn't mind a quick read. :-)
18:11.31Cideand several other languages that also implement short-circuit logic
18:11.41nightcrackeralestane: It's a parody on a quote of Douglas Adams"Learning how to fly is to throw yourself at the ground and miss".
18:11.45foxlithttp://www.wowwiki.com/Common_Lua_shortcuts
18:11.46ZasurusI have had a look but not sure what to search for!
18:11.55ZasurusOh thanks! :-D
18:12.12cbreakhttp://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html
18:12.15cbreak2.5.3
18:12.20nightcrackerif a then b or c = a and b or c
18:12.33sprawldo you guys use any particular IDE or just a notepad+syntax highlighting? i usually use visual studio for my .net development and know they had that WoW env
18:12.48ZasurusI personally use NotePad++ LOVE IT
18:12.51cbreakTextWrangler
18:13.00nightcrackerNotePad++ all the way here
18:13.00foxlitjust text editors, generally.
18:13.03sprawli just miss being able to right-click and "Go To Definition"
18:13.14sprawlwhen reading through other peoples' stuff and trying to decipher it
18:13.18cbreaknot needed in lua
18:13.23cbreaksince you rarely will define things :)
18:13.26CideI know my definitions.
18:13.28sprawlespecially when it can be spread across multiple files
18:13.37Cideonly noobs will need to ask someone else how they themselves defined something.
18:14.19cbreaktip: use git.
18:14.28cbreakor if you're so inclined, an other SCM
18:14.44Cideoverkill for beginning addon development
18:14.47ZasurusGit?
18:15.01cbreakmaybe. But isn't it fun to overkill?
18:15.02Zasurusas in http://git-scm.com/
18:15.07cbreakI think it's rather educative to start propperly
18:15.13sprawlgit isn't overkill--svn maybe
18:15.20Cideboth are overkill
18:15.21cbreak... git's easier than svn
18:15.33cbreakfor svn you have to set up a whole server
18:15.35Cidethere's no need for source control until you're dealing with large projects
18:15.44sprawlthat is simply not true
18:15.48Cidenope
18:16.01Cideyou may prefer to use it but it's an additional complexity step for someone just starting out
18:16.17sprawlif you don't understand an if statement then maybe there's no need for source control
18:16.30jnwhitehbut that's not writing addons
18:16.32Cideif you've used source control for 10+ years then sure, it's useful even from the beginning
18:16.34jnwhitehthat's learning to program
18:16.35Cidebut that's not simply the case here
18:16.46cbreakI think the ability to screw uup the code is more developed in people who can't understand control flow
18:17.09sprawlsource control can even be useful for readme files and crap
18:17.15Cideof course it can be useful
18:17.45Cidewhat we're discussing is if it's worth doing if he has no clue what it is and is just starting out coding addons
18:17.53CideI have never questioned its utility
18:18.08sprawlif coding addons is their first foray into coding it might be much i guess
18:22.56sprawland at least we aren't still talking about using CVS and locking files for checkout
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18:42.37foxlittaunts Shirik.
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18:52.57augustlheroics are weird
18:53.00augustlboss is mana regen time
18:53.08augustl(for a healer)
18:53.24Grumtell the dps to behave :p
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18:54.59mikmahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrqSCn0sBPw
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19:27.40cralorHow can I set up multiple Commit locations in TortoiseSVN
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19:38.25Beladonacralor: multiple commit locations for a single wworking copy? or just multiple working copies?
19:39.24cralorWell I'd like to be able to commit to both WoWInterface and WoWAce. Doing "Commit..." Will automatically choose WoWAce
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19:40.29Beladonayou are looking for a menu command of "Switch"
19:40.41cralorOk
19:41.09cralorSo just switch back and forth?
19:41.56cralorThanks Beladona
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19:52.25Cruciformeranyone here using teh German client?
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19:54.26Cruciformerdamn where are ze germans when u need em
19:54.41amrogetting wasted probably
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20:10.21Ancuit can be worse then dialup
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20:11.39Ancu~lart purl
20:11.39purlbeats ancu senseless with a 50lb Unix manual
20:12.05AncuHEY! you where suppose to lart your self!
20:12.18Cruciformerancu: U use a german client by any chance?
20:12.33Ancuno....I use pidgin
20:12.43Cruciformeri meant wow client :P
20:12.47AncuNo
20:12.50AncuI use US
20:12.53Ancuwhy?
20:13.03CruciformerI need someone with a german client to run a command for me
20:13.11Ancu~lart cable
20:13.11purlsteals cable's mojo
20:13.23Ancusorry, no luck on this sid
20:13.26Ancuside*
20:13.27foxlitI'd reiterate the "why?" question.
20:13.47Ancu~lart cable
20:13.47purlslaps cable upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh
20:14.03Ancu0_o thats an odd one
20:14.15CruciformerMy mod scans the result of a /roll by looking at the system message it generates. The german clients are complaing of a lua error. I want to see the result of "/script print (RANDOM_ROLL_RESULT)" to see what regexp the german client has
20:15.14Ancuwell, wouldn't any one useing a german client speak german?
20:15.21Cruciformersorry ... what *pattern* the german client has for teh purists, I know its not a true UNIX regexp
20:15.25foxlitIt's a format string, but nevermind.
20:15.46foxlit"%1$s blah blah. Blah: %2$d (%3$d-%4$d)"
20:15.52zenzelezzomg... I've been mohawked
20:17.16amroCruciformer: aren't the localized string files available somewhere?
20:17.27foxlitThey are.
20:17.39Anculol
20:17.42Ancunever?
20:17.46CruciformerHere's what I am trying to do: http://wowui.pastey.net/131210
20:17.55foxlitBut I suspect the information that it uses %1$s and %2$d style things is sufficient to tell you why your code fails.
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20:19.00TeomyrInterface\AddOns\FrameXML\GlobalStrings.lua
20:19.16TeomyrRANDOM_ROLL_RESULT = "%1$s würfelt. Ergebnis: %2$d (%3$d-%4$d)"; -- Example: Jeremy rolls 4 (1-10)
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20:19.54Cruciformeraha
20:20.00Cruciformertherein lies the failure
20:20.06Teomyrthat's from 3.2.2 though, don't have an up-to-date client atm
20:20.21Cruciformerthe english one just reads: %s rolls %d (%d-%d) so my gsub modifies the pattern correctly.
20:20.43Cruciformerbut for teh german one it does not.
20:20.44nevcairielRANDOM_ROLL_RESULT = "%1$s würfelt. Ergebnis: %2$d (%3$d-%4$d)";
20:20.47nevcairiel3.3 seems to be the same
20:21.36PneumatusRANDOM_ROLL_RESULT="%s rolls %d (%d-%d)" -- in english fwiw
20:21.51Cruciformeryeah the english one I got.
20:21.54nevcairielif you use some kind of homebrew deformat .. well yeah, you need to account for the positional arguments
20:22.39Cruciformernevcairiel: what I am actually trying to do is convert the RANDOM_ROLL_RESUKT string into something I can pass to string.find to scan the result of the roll message
20:22.50frontendloaderif any of you guys like pro starcraft - mms://hatchery.teamliquid.net:9000/ IdrA(Protoss) vs. NonY(Terran)
20:23.22nevcairielCruciformer: which is what "deformat" does
20:23.28Cruciformernevcairiel: and my code worked fine for english but it didn't have the positional stuff in it.
20:23.37CruciformerOh? what is deformat?
20:23.42nevcairiela library
20:23.46Teomyrhttp://www.wowace.com/addons/libdeformat-3-0/
20:23.55nevcairielit parses format strings like that into something you can use for string.find/match
20:24.15Cruciformerso cool tyvm nevcairiel and Teomyr
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20:30.45Ancu~lart broccli
20:30.45purlsend killer squirrels to attack broccli
20:30.50AncuYAY
20:31.10AncuOkay, Im gona give wow another shot. See if I can acctualy play
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20:47.39sprawlso what's the easiest way for me to find the definition for this call "self:GetParent():GetParent():SetQuality(self.quality)"
20:47.56sprawli've done a find "SetQuality" in the base folder but it looks like it's in one of the libs
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20:48.58sprawlbah i got it now
20:51.10sprawli just want to change the filters on bagnon/combuctor for item quality to Checkbox style instead of RadioButton style
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21:17.10Cruciformergod I love wowinterface
21:17.32Cruciformer15-second upload approval.
21:18.52Cruciformerbless Curse's heart for all the good work they do but someone really needs to help them design a better data model and website authentication system.
21:19.28cbreaknot the only thing they need to improve
21:19.38cbreakgetting a web designer would a nice thing too :)
21:19.47CruciformerI can live with all the other idiosyncracies
21:20.40Cruciformerbut their login stuff is plain broken. I am "logged in" just enough that it gives me a link to visit my favourites, but not enough that I can post a comment
21:21.06Cruciformeruntil i actually go visit a favourite or something then it gets its knickers unknotted.
21:21.27BrunersCruciformer: 0-second upload approval if you use git on curse
21:21.59Brunersor svn...
21:22.00Fiskerfu Bruners
21:22.07CruciformerBruners: It will be a cold day in hell before: a) I use git, or b) use a revision control system for my code that isnt on a server I own :)
21:22.08Brunershi Fisker
21:22.17cbreakwhy do uploads need to be approved?
21:22.31cbreakand what would prevent git users from doing that too?
21:22.40Cruciformercbreak: ostensibly so they can be checked for nefarious code I guess.
21:23.02Brunerscbreak: if you upload a zip it could contain a virus
21:23.19Cruciformercbreak: see, I know what mistake you are making. let me help you fix your error in thought. stop thinking logically.
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21:23.57CruciformerBruners: and a virsu-scan on upload should take all of 30ms
21:24.46CruciformerI dont know what dolby has done to prevent viruses but I bet you he does a scan on upload.
21:25.56cbreaka git can contain 10 viruses
21:26.12nevcairielusually repositories limit file types you can upload
21:26.19nevcairieleg. dont allow binaries short of images
21:26.21nevcairieland stuff like that
21:26.57BrunersCruciformer: why do you need to have a repo on your own server?
21:27.00cbreakimages can contain viruses
21:27.30YssarilCruciformer: use HG if you dont like git :P
21:27.58CruciformerBruners: Becuase I like control. I may want to implement triggers that do stuff on commit, or change the "shape" of the repo or any number of other things I cant do if I am using someone elses repo.
21:28.10Fiskeri am so very tired Bruners
21:28.18Cruciformersvn is just fine, until my own revision system is complete.
21:28.37BrunersCruciformer: with git you have the repo locally and you can push when ever you want to any repo on a server when you want to
21:28.42cbreakyou can have many git servers
21:29.04BrunersFisker: well it is getting late, maby you should go to bed then
21:29.24BrunersFisker: or you could cruise the streets of copenhagen
21:29.34CruciformerI still have no control over things like triggers, automatically integarting with a web page etc.
21:29.48CruciformerNo reason to NOT use my own server if I have the facility to.
21:30.13Cruciformerand thanks to serverbeach, I do. Nice high-speed connection right into teh peer-1 backbone.
21:30.25BrunersCruciformer: still something you can set up locally and push when you have a new tag
21:30.50CruciformerBruners: or I can just use my own server. why are you trying to sell me on a solution I dont want? :)
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21:31.08BrunersCruciformer: because i can
21:31.22Cruciformerand that is pretty much the reason I also run my own servers - coz I can.
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21:46.46Fiskeri kill you Bruners
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21:51.35Fiskermeh
21:51.38cralorCan the .pkgmeta be used to include another addon in your zip file? Specifically, I have an un-embedded library.
21:51.49Fiskerthe professor farnsworth reference fails
21:52.36Cloudwolfhorrible news every body festergut is dead but Great news everybody he left plenty of ooze for me to use! I'm a poet and i didn't even know it. lols at prof franswroth boss
21:52.54Torhalcralor: Someone would probably kill you for doing so.
21:53.10cralor:S
21:53.35Torhalcralor: But as for libs, yes. That's tha whole point.
21:54.04TorhalMost Libs on WoWAce are standalone but can be embedded.
21:54.26cralorLike I could specify an external and it would zip up out of my addon's directory?
21:54.57Torhalhttp://kb.wowace.com/projects/pkgmeta-file/
21:55.03cralorYeah I am looking :P
21:55.29TorhalLook for the line that says "Full Example"
21:56.54cralorSo I'm guessing an External followed by a Move
21:57.11TorhalWhat exactly are you trying to do?
21:57.41cralorTake Portfolio. A standalone lib. And include it in my addon's zip file.
21:58.20TorhalLemme pastey you a working .pkgmeta
21:58.33cralorIt looks to me like External cannot go beyond your addon folder's root.
21:58.46cralorAnd a Move would be required to make it a separate addon.
21:59.36TorhalYou don't want to do that
21:59.57TorhalPeople who want their libs like that would download the -nolib version of the AddOn and get the required libs themselves.
22:00.10TorhalOr have the CurseClient manage the required standalone libs
22:01.04Torhalhttp://paste.wowace.com/1609/
22:01.38cralorYeah. That takes the libs and puts in in Revelation/Libs
22:01.57TorhalThat is the proper way to do it. The packager automatically creates Revelation.version-nolib.zip which does not have those files in a Libs dir
22:02.30TorhalYou either download the libs separately yourself, or as I said, the CurseClient will do it for you if you specify that you want your AddOns to not have embedded libs
22:02.48cralorBut I don't know how to make Portfolio embedded
22:03.32TorhalExactly the way those libs are in that .pkgmeta I just showed you. Every one of those are standalone libs. They're "embedded" with those /pkgmeta directives.
22:03.37Torhal.pkgmeta
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22:03.56cralorOh I understand that... but Portfolio itself isn't an "embedded" lib
22:04.18cralorI can't just stick it into my AddOn's folder and make it work
22:04.27TorhalNone of those are either. I can install AceAddon-3.0 in its own folder. It has a TOC
22:04.45cralorOh alright
22:04.57cralorI'll try it out
22:04.58cralorThanks
22:12.47cralorWhat if it is not on the SVN =/
22:18.49TorhalThen you have a problem
22:18.57Arrowmasteris it hosted on curse?
22:22.43cralorNo
22:25.59cralorOnly WoWInterface
22:27.57cralorGuess I can do it for WoWI SVN though
22:28.17TorhalIf it exists there, yes
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22:30.01TorhalBut at that point it will always be embedded.
22:30.09TorhalLike LibDataBroker-1.1 is
22:32.09cralorWhat do you mean?
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22:32.34LopeppeppyOh hi there!
22:32.46cralorHi
22:33.00alestaneHugapeppy.
22:33.02Torhalcralor: Well, I suppose you could move it out since it it has a ToC.
22:33.11Fiskerbrrs outside Lopeppeppy's house/office/whatever
22:33.14TorhalLDB doesn't so it must be embedded
22:33.50BrunersFisker: are you sleeping now?
22:34.14cralorSo go back to my original idea of moving it to it's own addon?
22:39.22mascondanteIs there something like bulk mail that's updated?  I need something to manage sending glyphs to different alts based on glyph class type.
22:40.21Fiskerno Bruners
22:40.42foxlitFisker, are you lying in response to this question?
22:40.52Fiskerno
22:41.40foxlit"Yes" had better potential, tbh.
22:43.27Fiskerno
22:43.28AdysCide: you there love?
22:43.39Cideyep
22:43.46AdysCide: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/9438/acceptable-scorpid-sample/
22:43.55AdysDuration is exactly 2 hours and 1 minute
22:43.58Adyswow shows 3 hours
22:44.06Adysmy code is something like
22:44.07Adyselif value < timedelta(days=1):
22:44.07Adysreturn "%.3g %s" % (value.seconds / 3600, value.seconds >= 7200 and locales["hours"] or locales["hour"])
22:44.24Adysany idea how to round this up?
22:44.38Cideit uses
22:44.41foxlitas far as wow is concerned, do + 3599 / 3600
22:44.56Cideif seconds > 3600: return ceil(seconds/3600) + "hours"
22:45.02Cideor >= maybe
22:45.12Adysfoxlit: that wouldnt work
22:45.14Cideif seconds >= 60: return ceil(seconds/60) + "minutes"
22:45.18Cideelse:
22:45.23Cidereturn seconds + "seconds"
22:45.29ScytheBlade1Cide: spammer
22:45.31Cideis pretty much it
22:45.37Cidehey, Shiibot didn't complain
22:45.47ScytheBlade1pretty low standards you've got
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22:45.54foxlitAdys: I don't see why.
22:45.55AdysCide: http://dpaste.com/143073/ thats the full code
22:46.14Adysfoxlit: for 2 hours 1 min that would work
22:46.26Cidereturn "%.3g %s" % (value.seconds / 60, value.seconds >= 120 and locales["minutes"] or locales["minute"])
22:46.28Cideshould be
22:46.32Adysfoxlit: for 1 hour 59 min, that would give me 3 hours, whereas i only want 2
22:46.51Cideer
22:46.52foxlitAdys: I invite you to try.
22:46.52Cidereturn "%.3g %s" % (value.seconds / 3600, value.seconds >= 7200 and locales["hours"] or locales["hour"])
22:46.53Cideshould be
22:46.58nevcairielAdys: so add half an hour?
22:47.13foxlitlua> math.floor((1*3600+59*60+ 3599)/3600)
22:47.13lua_botfoxlit: 2
22:47.22Adysactually to be fair i dont know how python rounds it up
22:47.25Adyswith %g
22:47.27Cidereturn "%d %s" % (ceil(value.seconds / 3600), value.seconds >= 7200 and locales["hours"] or locales["hour"])
22:47.40Adysk lemme try
22:47.41nevcairielIf you want "normal" rounding converted to always ceil, just add 0.5
22:48.07foxlitwow basically rounds durations up.
22:48.15nevcairielor just ceil explictly :P
22:48.21nevcairiel+i
22:48.48foxlitCide: and you should probably compare to 3600, not 7200
22:48.54Cidenah
22:48.57Cideoh yeah
22:48.57AdysCide: that still gives me 2 hrs
22:49.08Cidethat's impossible
22:49.13Adysthats possible
22:49.16Cideceil(7201/3600) == 3
22:49.21Cide7260*
22:49.35Cidelua> math.ceil(7201/3600)
22:49.35lua_botCide: 3
22:49.54nevcairielpython wouldnt do a integer division, would it?
22:49.54foxlitunless you've got one of those fancy languages where 7201/3600 == 2
22:49.54Cideit would
22:49.57Cideceil(value.seconds / 3600.0)
22:50.11Cideshould do it
22:50.13nevcairielI still say just add 0.5 hours and it ceils automatically
22:50.14Adysevery time I typed a forward slash in python, I've shed a tear knowing I can't port anything to 3k yet
22:50.30zenzelezzwhy is that?
22:50.31Cidehuh?
22:50.35AdysCide: yeah that works
22:50.36Cideyou can use // for integer division
22:50.55AdysCide: I cant port to 3k because django isnt ported yet
22:51.00Cideyeah I know
22:51.12foxlitCairenn: can I bother you for a minute?
22:51.31Adysalso nevcairiel
22:51.31foxlitI'd like to know if I ended up removing a file through my silliness, or if the moderators did it for me :)
22:51.37zenzelezzpeople bother her all the time
22:52.29Adysactually nm
22:52.33Adysbut yeaht hat works Cide
22:52.44Adysand its pretty much the equivalent of what nev suggested
22:52.53Cideuse similar constructs for the other times if you wish to mimic wow's behavior
22:53.06Adysyea
22:53.20Adysi just need some testcases for those first
22:53.32Adysalso shit I just remembered
22:53.58sprawlare there no DateTime/TimeSpan libs?
22:54.07nevcairielwouldnt it be kinda better to show an accurate duration? or is re-building the wow tooltips the ultimate goal?
22:54.13Adyssprawl: what language?
22:54.26sprawlwhatever these guys are struggling with =o
22:54.28Adysnevcairiel: mimicking wow behaviour
22:54.43Adyssprawl: datetime.timedelta
22:54.49Adyswhich is what Im based on
22:55.07Adysnevcairiel: ideally I'm also offering the duration in milliseconds in the tooltip as an html attribute
22:55.30Adysreally this stuff should be xsl but then I'd have to be an armory.
22:58.27Adysnight all, thanks Cide
23:03.19Cidenight
23:06.09Fiskerhey Cide
23:10.02Torhalcralor: In this specific case, I believe so.
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23:16.02Cidehi
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23:34.12cralorIs switching from WoWAce SVN to WoWInterface as easy as changing the URL? I'm getting an error
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23:42.37Torhalcralor: If the lib exists on the WoWI SVN, you need to specify the exact URL.
23:42.49TorhalUnless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.
23:43.01cralorNo I did that. I'm not talking about using the Switch feature to access WoWI SVN
23:43.07cralornow*
23:43.34cralorTortoise SVN
23:43.42TorhalI'm not familiar with that. I do all of my repository work on WoWAce then manually upload to WoWI
23:44.18cralorAlright I guess I'll stick with that too then
23:45.36Arrowmasteryou cant use the switch feature unless the repo uuid matches, which it will not
23:45.46Arrowmasteri think its called uuid
23:45.55cbreakSVN is not distributed. One server
23:46.06cbreakif you want something distributed, consider git or similar
23:46.18TorhalAnd WoWI does not yet support git
23:46.33cbreakgit supports zip export :)
23:47.47cralorArrowmaster: how would I match the UUID
23:49.18foxlithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzHfYobrlwA << Oh hi, RayV
23:50.35cralorOk well I have some packaging errors.
23:51.23cralorhttp://wowuidev.pastey.net/131232
23:52.00cralorI'm guessing it has to end in /trunk
23:52.51cralorOh I see I can ignore the other files.
23:56.38cralorAlright now I am getting: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/131232
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