| 00:00.03 | Dagmar | There will always be people willing to undercut you |
| 00:00.16 | Dagmar | The thing to do would have been to get everyone to _stock up_ on them |
| 00:00.30 | Dagmar | ...get htem to buy LOTS of the bullets, while you're one of the few with the pattern |
| 00:01.55 | Dagmar | To make piles of money, it would probably be smarter wihle there's little interference to start listing the in intervals of 10g, 20g, 30g, 40g and so on a stack, and then start replacing them in realtime as people buy them out |
| 00:02.33 | Dagmar | I did it a bit slower, but I moved tons of leather items that wya |
| 00:04.05 | Dagmar | For most of the stuff, while very few people had the patterns, I could and did sell 5-7 of EACH of the leatherworker epics per week minimum at 66% profit |
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| 00:05.13 | Dagmar | I didn't farm anything, either. |
| 00:06.04 | zenzelezz | while it wasn't as lucrative, back in classic days a friend of mine bought out all Oily Blackmouth before the weekends and made them into Free Action Potion (or whatever they were called), sold well to the battleground people |
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| 00:06.14 | Dagmar | Not bad |
| 00:06.27 | Dagmar | I look at it this way... |
| 00:07.07 | Dagmar | If someone goes looking in the AH for something I can make, and they can afford to pay me more than materials cost plus 20% or so, if they didn't buy my item I just screwed up |
| 00:07.21 | Jrhartley | Hi everyone. I'd like to know what I need to do to override existing XML so that I can attach an event to a button. I'm not sure what this is called and so I don't know what I'm looking for. Please could someone point me in the right direction/ |
| 00:07.26 | Jrhartley | ?* |
| 00:07.43 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 00:07.44 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 00:08.44 | Dagmar | Once they've bought the item I had listed, I replace it immediately with another one. People who are stubborn never even realize that that one guy whose auction is listed under theirs has actually been sold 3-4 times in the last 24 hours |
| 00:08.50 | zenzelezz | sadly I'm not very good at making money from crafting. If people ask for a blacksmith and I can make what they want, I don't ask for a tip. But I also don't have any (now) fancy items I can make |
| 00:09.21 | Jrhartley | Thanks, although I'd really like to know what the name for what I'm trying to do is. It's not "overriding existing XML". since I can't find anything on that. |
| 00:09.38 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: If people can use it, and you can buy the mats from the AH, make it, and sell it for a profit in the AH, then it's basically money for clicking |
| 00:09.43 | Arrowmaster | you cant override existing xml |
| 00:09.59 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: yeah, I'm just too lazy to find out what people use :-) |
| 00:10.13 | Jrhartley | Aha. OK, thanks. :) |
| 00:10.22 | Dagmar | Make 1-2 of everything that you can afford to that looks like it might be useful and find out |
| 00:10.30 | zenzelezz | Jrhartley: what kind of button are you talking about, the kind you create by a <Button> tag in XML (or similar through CreateFrame())? |
| 00:10.47 | Dagmar | Either someone'll buy them off you before the weekend is out, or they'll be coming back to your mailbox regularly |
| 00:11.24 | Dagmar | I'm never looking for that *one* guy who'll pay 200% more than everyone else |
| 00:11.28 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: might try that sometime |
| 00:11.41 | Dagmar | I'm looking to make sure *everyone who sees it* wants it and gives me money |
| 00:12.04 | Dagmar | So I always start with a low price margin and then slowly raise it if I have to |
| 00:12.12 | zenzelezz | I was amused to make 75g the other day crafting something like 15-20 BC axes for some guy leveling enchanting |
| 00:12.32 | Dagmar | Wow I just de'd quest rewards |
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| 00:12.58 | Jrhartley | Sorry, I hit backspace and my browser went back a page :( |
| 00:13.01 | zenzelezz | I thought people did too, but I guess he needed (or found it easier) to just get them crafted |
| 00:13.16 | Dagmar | Yeah I suppose it's possible he got in a rush or something |
| 00:13.40 | Dagmar | I'm just starting to really work the enchanting scroll market |
| 00:13.42 | zenzelezz | I remember making so many Adamantite Cleavers in BC to level blacksmithing cheaply. Think they vendored for 12g each |
| 00:14.05 | Jrhartley | zenzelezz - I'd like to add RegisterForClicks functionality to the "Complete Quest" button on the quest dialogue you see when you go to turn in a quest. |
| 00:14.09 | Dagmar | I've got enchanting and tailoring (yes, I know) to 433 each on the deathknight and I expect to have him in an epic flyer before the end of this month |
| 00:15.43 | zenzelezz | I'm a bit sad the shield/armor temporary enchants they tried out in BC didn't work in the end, they were a nice idea (at least they made blacksmithing feel a little more useful) |
| 00:15.45 | Dagmar | More people need to get Quel'Delar so I can sell more han 2 massacres a day |
| 00:16.33 | Dagmar | Kind of wishful thinking tho |
| 00:17.02 | Amarande | zenzelezz: I usually send crafting dregs to my enchanter to be DE'd |
| 00:17.09 | Dagmar | People at level 80 don't seen to even blink at buying enchant scrolls if they're less than 100g tho |
| 00:17.13 | Dagmar | Loads of those sell |
| 00:17.18 | Amarande | or was the adamantite cleaver BoP? |
| 00:17.46 | zenzelezz | Amarande: nope, was BoE, I just didn't think that far at the time. I'm sure my guildie enchanters would have wanted them |
| 00:18.15 | Amarande | mutters about the mats for the addey rod |
| 00:18.27 | Amarande | still need a few more large prismies if I remember |
| 00:18.29 | zenzelezz | I can be a bit ruthless that way... in early WotLK I'd spend waiting time in raids making Heavy Frostweave Bandages out of my cloth, much to the frustration of my guildie tailors |
| 00:18.43 | Dagmar | lol |
| 00:18.44 | Amarande | I remember getting to 65, getting ported to Dalaran and thinking I would grind enchanting a nice ways ... |
| 00:18.45 | Amarande | then ... |
| 00:18.58 | Amarande | SORRY BITCH YOU DON'T HAVE AN ADDEY ROD NO WOTLK CHANTING FOR YOU! |
| 00:19.09 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 00:19.10 | Amarande | stupid enchanting rods :| |
| 00:19.51 | Dagmar | Now that there's vellums, you can just buy your way around most problems |
| 00:20.02 | zenzelezz | think I made 10 Titanium Rods just to level blacksmithing, at least my guildies got those. Also made like 140-160 Titanium Skeleton Keys, still got almost all of those |
| 00:20.26 | Amarande | tell me titanium rods at least use plain titanium and don't need titansteel ... |
| 00:20.43 | Dagmar | I'm starting to flood the guild bank again |
| 00:20.59 | Dagmar | All those dragonkin in the instances are staring to become a hassle. |
| 00:21.05 | Dagmar | I need more instances with jormungar in them |
| 00:21.46 | Dagmar | s/more/any/; |
| 00:23.44 | Dagmar | Amarande: Like the blacksmiths won't be trying to charge 120g for them |
| 00:24.33 | Amarande | Dagmar: I generally hunt down a BS in trade and bring bars |
| 00:24.41 | Amarande | the prices on AH for pre-made bars are just stupid |
| 00:24.45 | Dagmar | I have zero patience. Hheeh |
| 00:24.52 | Amarande | how many titanium bars is it for a titanium rod, btw? |
| 00:25.04 | NightHawkTheSane | wowhead.com |
| 00:25.06 | Dagmar | I just look for the rod in the AH and if the % number next to it isn't red I buy it |
| 00:25.27 | Dagmar | Literally, my time is money there |
| 00:25.59 | Dagmar | In the time it would take me to find a blacksmith, give him the bars, get him to make it, etc etc, I can have cranked out 100g in profit through enchant scrolls easily |
| 00:26.08 | Amarande | ahh, 1 titanium and 2 *saronite* ... heh |
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| 01:13.24 | sag_ich_nicht | hi. |
| 01:13.31 | sag_ich_nicht | anyone willing to explain to me why this: |
| 01:13.31 | sag_ich_nicht | http://pastey.net/130878 |
| 01:13.36 | sag_ich_nicht | isn't working anymore? :( |
| 01:13.43 | sag_ich_nicht | ( grid issue ) |
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| 01:25.33 | frontendloader | bugger off afora |
| 01:27.01 | sag_ich_nicht | hm. |
| 01:27.05 | sag_ich_nicht | from where do I know you. |
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| 01:40.15 | ccasket | Where can I find a list of variables like %t for target? Specifically I'd like to put the current zone name into a macro. |
| 01:40.27 | ScytheBlade1 | We have %t and %f |
| 01:40.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That is all. |
| 01:41.56 | Dagmar | You might want to write those down. |
| 01:41.59 | Dagmar | It's a lot to take in. |
| 01:42.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
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| 01:42.03 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:42.17 | Dagmar | I was pretty unimpressed when I found out |
| 01:42.30 | ccasket | Thanks, ScytheBlade1. I will keep looking for a way to use /script commands to pull that zone name then. |
| 01:42.41 | ScytheBlade1 | !api SendChatMessage |
| 01:42.42 | lua_bot | SendChatMessage: Sends a chat message (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage) |
| 01:42.49 | ScytheBlade1 | !api GetZoneName |
| 01:42.50 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GetZoneName'. |
| 01:42.53 | ScytheBlade1 | !api GetZoneText |
| 01:42.53 | lua_bot | GetZoneText: Returns the name of the zone in which the player is located (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetZoneText) |
| 01:43.04 | ccasket | Thanks |
| 01:43.08 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
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| 02:00.42 | Cide | too helpful. |
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| 02:04.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, sorry |
| 02:04.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll work on it |
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| 02:23.14 | Iriel | 2010 greetings to all (since I left before midnight yesterday) |
| 02:25.50 | cbreak | 364 days remaining. May they be as uneventful as the previous. |
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| 02:28.37 | Adys | ./buildmap hinterlands |
| 02:28.48 | Adys | = a complete hinterlands map to play with in less than 2 seconds |
| 02:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | define 'map' |
| 02:28.58 | Adys | pil is pretty awesome |
| 02:29.09 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: fully revealed |
| 02:29.15 | ScytheBlade1 | in game? |
| 02:29.18 | Adys | yes |
| 02:29.29 | ScytheBlade1 | wait, like exploration? or just game map? |
| 02:29.40 | Adys | no, game map, the one you have when you hit m |
| 02:29.41 | Adys | using only blp files |
| 02:29.43 | Amarande | The Hinterlands always make me kinda sad when I think too much about them |
| 02:29.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ahh @ blp |
| 02:30.17 | Amarande | it's that "the real world hardly has any unspoiled wilderness like that anymore :(" feeling |
| 02:30.41 | Adys | Amarande: meh, hinterlands isnt that great |
| 02:30.49 | Adys | think more like howling fjord |
| 02:31.20 | Adys | granted their design teams prolly had 10 times less stuff to work with back then |
| 02:31.27 | Adys | wonder what it'll look like post cata |
| 02:32.30 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 02:32.34 | sag_ich_nicht | the water will look better. |
| 02:32.41 | Dagmar | The world actually does still have unspoiled wilderness |
| 02:33.07 | Dagmar | Most of it is just either too cold to live in, too hot to live in, or too filled with bears and tigers to live in |
| 02:33.14 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 02:33.21 | sag_ich_nicht | well, actually, talking of bears |
| 02:33.28 | sag_ich_nicht | china is lusting for bears and wood |
| 02:33.37 | sag_ich_nicht | which causes massive issues in russias forests |
| 02:33.41 | sag_ich_nicht | :| |
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| 02:33.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: or parasites |
| 02:33.51 | Amarande | like most of Africa |
| 02:34.02 | Amarande | Africa is the "everything trying to kill you platformer game" continent. |
| 02:34.13 | cbreak | real life has lots of unspoiled wilderness |
| 02:34.15 | Dagmar | You've never looked into Australia then |
| 02:34.22 | cbreak | but most of it is on other planets |
| 02:35.01 | Dagmar | Come to Australia! We've got lots of man-eating fauna, and even more poisonous everything else |
| 02:35.06 | Amarande | In Africa, if it's not trying to eat you, it's probably either poisonous or full of parasites that will slowly kill you. :) |
| 02:35.45 | cbreak | Cute, colourful frogs. |
| 02:36.51 | Adys | "unspoiled wildernesses" you wont find many |
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| 02:36.55 | Adys | but theres still a lot of very healthy environments that have been touched by humans |
| 02:36.56 | Amarande | Awww, cute little frooooooouuggghhhhhIcan'tbreeeaaaaatthhhhheeee*thud* |
| 02:37.06 | Adys | particularly in france, britain, etc |
| 02:37.07 | sag_ich_nicht | alaska/canada, yo. |
| 02:37.14 | Adys | dunno never been |
| 02:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | Some nice forests left in the Adirondacks. |
| 02:41.22 | Cralor` | i'm having trouble getting UNIT_MANA to play a sound at a certain percent. if i do like 20% it might skip past it. if I do 20-25 %, it will spam the sound. i only want it to play once. what's an efficiant method for this? |
| 02:43.06 | kdtresh | <=20%? |
| 02:43.26 | Cralor` | then it will spam when your mana is below 20% every time your mana changes value |
| 02:43.38 | ScytheBlade1 | use a variable? |
| 02:43.44 | Cralor` | i might attempt at setting a variable and check back |
| 02:43.45 | Cralor` | yeah |
| 02:43.49 | Amarande | wait, mana goes below 20%? |
| 02:43.54 | Cralor` | :P |
| 02:43.57 | Amarande | *is a disc healer, hardly ever heard of low mana in 5-mans* |
| 02:44.00 | ScytheBlade1 | if mana dips below 20%, play the sound, set the variable |
| 02:44.10 | kdtresh | i would set a flag if you go below 20% |
| 02:44.12 | Amarande | of course, maybe if I actually had to heal someone, it would be different |
| 02:44.12 | ScytheBlade1 | If it grows beyond 20%, change the variable back |
| 02:44.13 | ScytheBlade1 | exactly |
| 02:44.16 | Cralor` | yeah |
| 02:44.18 | kdtresh | and when the flag is set, you pop it once |
| 02:44.25 | kdtresh | and when it goes above 20, you unset the flag |
| 02:44.28 | Amarande | however, BC normals are apparently so pathetic that half the time things are dead before the mobs break through the bubble |
| 02:45.04 | kdtresh | so if it goes under 20 and stays, it only popped once, since the flag was never unset |
| 02:45.22 | kdtresh | and if it goes above 20, the flag is unset and if it goes back below 20, it resets and pops again |
| 02:46.25 | Adys | cackles maniacally |
| 02:46.54 | kdtresh | bubbles. |
| 02:47.27 | Amarande | when am I going to start seeing instances where I actually have to hit the heal button frantically on bosses? |
| 02:48.05 | Amarande | (currently at 67, and mostly I get Auchindoun instances) |
| 02:48.06 | NightHawkTheSane | that depends more on your group than your level and/or instance |
| 02:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Have the tank take off some gear |
| 02:48.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Also play with retards |
| 02:48.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 02:48.28 | kdtresh | i haven't run a bc instance in a long, long time |
| 02:48.33 | kdtresh | i miss some of them |
| 02:48.37 | kdtresh | i really miss our weekly kara runs |
| 02:48.39 | Amarande | or fight that stupid boss in auchenai crypts with the stupid fucking cast speed debuff, I guess |
| 02:49.09 | NightHawkTheSane | that guy's easy, if the group's not retarded. much like almost every fight in the game. |
| 02:49.57 | Amarande | I find it somewhat irritating as disc |
| 02:50.20 | Amarande | multiple characters tend to get the damned bleed and except for shields I can barely cast anything in a reasonable time |
| 02:50.57 | Amarande | if I do get lucky and things go okay for a while, I'm ALWAYS the one who gets fucking deathgripped into the 4X casting time zone too |
| 02:51.05 | Amarande | although oddly enough we barely ever wipe on it |
| 02:51.07 | Amarande | it's just annoying |
| 02:51.28 | Amarande | we have more worries with the bridge before that, every so often someone gets knocked off the side by the stupid glowie balls |
| 02:53.38 | sag_ich_nicht | you DO have 10 points in holy, right. |
| 02:55.04 | Amarande | 57/1/0, currently |
| 02:55.09 | Amarande | 57/14/0 planned for at 80 |
| 02:58.36 | sag_ich_nicht | you should respec and put 10 points into holy first, imho |
| 02:59.01 | sag_ich_nicht | then throw the rest into disc for leveling |
| 02:59.24 | sag_ich_nicht | the -cast time makes a huge difference |
| 03:00.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm probably going to regret asking this, but how has disc been for leveling, wrt soloing/questing? |
| 03:01.41 | sag_ich_nicht | it's fine, if you put 3 points into shadow, imho |
| 03:01.45 | sag_ich_nicht | (for spirit tap) |
| 03:01.48 | NightHawkTheSane | (obv) |
| 03:01.55 | sag_ich_nicht | (obv) |
| 03:02.00 | ScytheBlade1 | (obv) |
| 03:02.08 | NightHawkTheSane | 3 points in shadow is pretty much a given for leveling ;) |
| 03:02.10 | sag_ich_nicht | also, you definitely want 2x heirloom mana reg trinket |
| 03:02.14 | sag_ich_nicht | well look at Amarande :P |
| 03:02.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont consider Amarande to be... what's the word.. competant? |
| 03:02.41 | Amarande | Night: I haven't really done any soloing since I went disc |
| 03:02.42 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 03:02.49 | Amarande | I mark the healer box and jump into the dungeon finder |
| 03:03.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. but i like questing. and some times i just -dont- wnat to group |
| 03:03.34 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Amarelya |
| 03:03.41 | Amarande | that's my healer currently |
| 03:04.28 | sag_ich_nicht | NightHawkTheSane: spec like this for leveling a disc, first the points in shadow, then the ones in holy, then the rest: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#bVhbuhhVRIsffRt0xtZh |
| 03:04.30 | sag_ich_nicht | imho |
| 03:04.56 | sag_ich_nicht | the points in holy make everything go way faster :D |
| 03:06.11 | Adys | http://cdn.fastclick.net/fastclick.net/adcouncil/FCIC_2009_SAM_160x600.jpg |
| 03:06.14 | Adys | someone explain this ad |
| 03:06.31 | sag_ich_nicht | well |
| 03:06.33 | Adys | particularly on a network that serves local-country ads |
| 03:06.38 | NightHawkTheSane | sag_ich_nicht: neat. |
| 03:06.40 | Adys | and the whole me being in greece thing. |
| 03:06.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm idly considering leveling a priest |
| 03:07.12 | NightHawkTheSane | (because i dont have enough healers...) |
| 03:07.13 | sag_ich_nicht | Adys: are you only temporarily in greece or are you greek |
| 03:07.22 | Adys | Im half greek, been here for two years |
| 03:07.28 | Adys | moving to bristol soonish |
| 03:07.52 | sag_ich_nicht | NightHawkTheSane: you also might wish to consider not putting points into silent resolve and instead putting them into imp. inner fire, for leveling |
| 03:08.12 | NightHawkTheSane | sag_ich_nicht: yeah, thats what i did when playing around on wowhead earlier |
| 03:08.14 | sag_ich_nicht | for max level just move the points from ST to inspiration |
| 03:08.46 | sag_ich_nicht | also, imp. renew is worth considering |
| 03:08.48 | Amarande | also: for disc healing, better to emphasize haste or crit in gear once I hit 80? |
| 03:09.04 | sag_ich_nicht | dunno, ask EJ, been out of the loop |
| 03:09.08 | Amarande | wow, cincinnati scored |
| 03:09.47 | Adys | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/01/01/233249/Irelands-Blasphemy-Law-Goes-Into-Effect |
| 03:10.01 | sag_ich_nicht | >slashdot |
| 03:10.02 | Adys | this, is more of a "the world is going to the shitter" than "lol judges are tweeting" |
| 03:10.06 | sag_ich_nicht | how about linking the source. |
| 03:11.06 | Adys | after living in france for so long, you kind of get used to the separation of religion and government |
| 03:11.36 | Amarande | Adys: look at one of the words in the name of Ireland's leading political party |
| 03:11.39 | Amarande | enough said. :) |
| 03:14.46 | sag_ich_nicht | http://i.imgur.com/fwFUf.jpg |
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| 03:16.33 | Wobin | bah, blasphemy site /.'d |
| 03:16.52 | Cralor` | is there any other mroe efficient way for a timer besides OnUpdate... so screwy |
| 03:17.15 | Wobin | o.O |
| 03:17.24 | Wobin | what's wrong with onupdate? |
| 03:17.29 | Wobin | since it fires every single frame... |
| 03:17.35 | Cralor` | doesn't count seconds right |
| 03:18.02 | Wobin | right? |
| 03:18.18 | Amarande | so apparently now the islamofascist countries are being egged on by this to try to pass a blasphemy resolution at the UN :| |
| 03:18.36 | Amarande | makes me glad the USA hardly pays more than lip service to UN resolutions most of the time anyway heh |
| 03:18.36 | Adys | they wont be able to |
| 03:19.01 | Cralor` | Wobin: i have OnUpdate that starts when SPELL_AURA_APPLIED. timer is 20 seconds. it will pop script at 25seconds |
| 03:19.02 | Iriel | What do you mean, doesn't count seconds right? |
| 03:20.03 | Cralor` | my goal was to pop it 10 seconds before the Buff is removed. this specific buff lasts 30 seconds. |
| 03:20.15 | Wobin | pastey your script? |
| 03:20.35 | Cralor` | sure |
| 03:20.40 | Wobin | cause I'm not sure how it can't not count seconds correctly |
| 03:20.42 | Iriel | Is it possible you're not compensating for the aura listing the END TIME not DURATION? |
| 03:20.56 | Cralor` | well let's see |
| 03:21.50 | Cralor` | http://pastey.net/130883 |
| 03:22.08 | Cralor` | well actually that one is a differnt buff, but still a little wonky |
| 03:22.46 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:23.29 | Cralor` | sorry here is the one i was referring to |
| 03:23.31 | Cralor` | http://pastey.net/130883 |
| 03:23.32 | Wobin | personally, I'd put in a debug when you set the SetScript |
| 03:23.36 | Cralor` | disregard the elseif |
| 03:23.39 | Wobin | so you know -when- the timer is starting |
| 03:23.44 | Cralor` | ok |
| 03:23.53 | Iriel | Is your frame always visible? |
| 03:24.05 | Cralor` | yeah it's just a dummy frame |
| 03:24.11 | Cralor` | i don't actually display anything in my addon |
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| 03:24.38 | Cralor` | it's shown by default, yes? |
| 03:24.52 | Cralor` | or do I need to do a :Show() |
| 03:25.40 | Iriel | It;d normally be shown, what's it parented to? |
| 03:26.02 | Cralor` | I just create the frame :CreateFrame("Frame") |
| 03:26.46 | Iriel | ok, so the parent is the screen, which means it wont be hidden by accident. |
| 03:27.10 | Iriel | is it possible you're detecting the buff 'late' ? |
| 03:27.20 | Iriel | i.e. that several seconds have elapsed before you start counting? |
| 03:28.01 | Cralor` | well here is how I detect it |
| 03:28.10 | Amarande | haha, 30-3 at halftime |
| 03:28.17 | Amarande | wonder if it's worth watching the second half of the sugar bowl :P |
| 03:29.45 | Cralor` | http://pastey.net/130885 |
| 03:30.38 | tem | Amarande, games like this one are why it's retarded to put teams like Cin vs teams like Florida |
| 03:31.55 | Iriel | Cralor`: Try doing ascan through the player's auras to find that one, and see how long is left (rather than picking 20) |
| 03:32.10 | Iriel | A dbug statement when you set the script might be enough to figureo ut if it's firing late |
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| 03:38.11 | Cide | does the sound play if you just execute the playsoundfile statement? |
| 03:40.22 | Wobin | I do know that if you call the background music call, it takes a few seconds to start |
| 03:40.36 | Wobin | (probably because it's fading out the current background music, so that may not apply) |
| 03:41.26 | Cralor` | hmm |
| 03:46.52 | Adys | Man, this is so pwettyy |
| 03:48.07 | Cralor` | it's firing way late |
| 03:49.15 | DWSR | So, I went to see Avatar. |
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| 03:59.19 | Cralor` | would declaring "self" instead of "frame" slow things down? |
| 04:00.45 | DWSR | Cralor`: Shouldn't slow things significantly one way or the other. |
| 04:00.51 | Cralor` | self:SetScript vs. frame:SetScript |
| 04:01.25 | Cralor` | Do you think it might be the difference of a second? or not even that much |
| 04:03.06 | DWSR | no |
| 04:03.09 | cbreak | self and frames are both arguments |
| 04:03.12 | DWSR | Not even that much |
| 04:03.22 | cbreak | I can't see why there would be any difference |
| 04:03.28 | Cralor` | alright |
| 04:03.41 | DWSR | Indeed |
| 04:04.20 | Cralor` | I don't know why http://pastey.net/130885 would play the sound 2 times XD |
| 04:04.52 | Iriel | You may be better off using the aura event and scanning auras, rather than the combat log |
| 04:05.04 | Cralor` | ok |
| 04:05.08 | Cralor` | i'll look into that |
| 04:06.15 | Cralor` | Iriel: what is the name event? |
| 04:06.18 | Cralor` | of* |
| 04:06.23 | tem | UNIT_AURA? |
| 04:06.29 | Cide | player_auras_changed |
| 04:06.34 | Cide | worked before anyway |
| 04:06.47 | Cide | unit_aura will definitely work though |
| 04:06.47 | Cralor` | UNIT_AURA |
| 04:06.49 | Cralor` | oh yes |
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| 04:07.12 | cbreak | maybe self is a tiny bit faster than frame because parsing it requires reading one byte less. |
| 04:07.18 | Amarande | omg FAIL |
| 04:07.26 | Amarande | Cincinnati screwed up their touchdown pass :P |
| 04:07.44 | cbreak | but if you care about such a difference, you need to stop using lua and switch to assembler |
| 04:08.35 | Cralor` | cbreak: No I am not worrying about the speed or anything |
| 04:20.16 | Iriel | self is faster than frame because self doesn't require a name lookup (it's a local, thus bound to an address or stack location, in this case, stack location) |
| 04:29.39 | Cralor` | ok |
| 04:31.44 | cbreak | frame should be a function argument too |
| 04:33.36 | Cralor` | Iriel: is this remotely what you were thinking of? http://pastey.net/130886 |
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| 04:38.46 | Iriel | You'd be better off using expirationTime - GetTime() |
| 04:38.58 | Iriel | Then you get the actual duration remaining |
| 04:39.53 | Cralor` | but then how would I get that to start at a certain remaining duration? |
| 04:40.21 | Iriel | If you use (expirationTime - GetTime()) in place of duration when you calculate the initial timer |
| 04:40.31 | Iriel | Also, you probably want to check whether you've already started a timer |
| 04:40.39 | Iriel | otherwise you'll reset it every time your buffs change |
| 04:42.40 | Iriel | You can just check self:GetScript("OnUpdate") == nil |
| 04:44.52 | Cralor` | So what would happen then if both buffs with timers were popped at once |
| 04:47.13 | Iriel | if you use my approach the first one to show up wins |
| 04:47.29 | Iriel | You'd need more advanced logic for other situation |
| 04:48.15 | Cralor` | Yeah. Right now I have both Mirror Image and Living Bomb buffs under OnUpdate scripts. that would conflict =/ |
| 04:49.27 | Cralor` | what if I made another frame? |
| 04:49.35 | Cralor` | have each OnUpdate on each frame |
| 04:49.50 | Cralor` | that would be an easy way out, right? |
| 04:50.21 | Iriel | that's one way |
| 04:50.25 | Iriel | a frame per trigger |
| 04:50.49 | Iriel | s goof 'get it working first' approach |
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| 04:51.16 | Cralor` | what was that last sentence ? :) |
| 04:52.12 | Wobin | a good 'get it working first' approach |
| 04:52.34 | Wobin | left hand transposed a bit to the right in the beginning =) |
| 04:53.23 | Cralor` | :P |
| 04:54.38 | Iriel | sorry, was in combat on another keyboard |
| 04:54.39 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 04:56.20 | Cralor` | shh she is back |
| 04:57.01 | bleeter | I guess this is old news now? http://kokomoperspective.com/news/local_news/article_15a0a546-f574-11de-ab22-001cc4c03286.html |
| 04:58.40 | Dagmar | I just don't get why people write this crap |
| 04:59.11 | Dagmar | "blah blah blah you'll want to start picking up such and such stat on your gear" <-- in raiding guides |
| 04:59.16 | Dagmar | Like there's _any_ choice. |
| 05:00.27 | Amarande | Dagmar: depends on the stat |
| 05:00.30 | Cralor` | Who's going to win tonight? :O |
| 05:00.35 | Amarande | casters usually have a choice between haste and crit, in particular |
| 05:00.42 | Dagmar | For hunters, there's just mail |
| 05:01.00 | Dagmar | ...and it's pretty much "is the ilevel higher or not" now |
| 05:01.58 | Amarande | prior to t10, there was also the "which tier bonus is best" shuffle |
| 05:03.38 | Dagmar | Either way it's still lipstick for chickens |
| 05:08.40 | Cralor` | hmm |
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| 05:31.10 | frontendloader | so what settings do I need to tweak to slightly reduce wow's memory consumption |
| 05:31.21 | frontendloader | I keep running up against the 2gb hard limit and crashing :( |
| 05:31.34 | kd3 | buy more ram? turn down texture levels |
| 05:31.52 | frontendloader | yeah cuz |
| 05:31.58 | frontendloader | having 8GB of ram |
| 05:32.26 | bleeter | which OS and CPU? |
| 05:32.28 | kd3 | what's causing the 2gb limit? |
| 05:32.45 | Arrowmaster | all 32bit programs have a 2gb hard limit on memory usage |
| 05:33.03 | kd3 | wonders how he never hit it |
| 05:33.14 | frontendloader | I'm wondering how I am hitting it now all of a sudden |
| 05:33.48 | Arrowmaster | although they can be compiled with extensions so that its possible to go over 2gb on a 64bit os while still remaining a 32bit executable but wow is not compiled that way |
| 05:34.16 | Dagmar | kd3: because it's not quite that simple |
| 05:34.24 | frontendloader | I remember hearing something about someone modifying the crysis engine in Aion |
| 05:34.38 | frontendloader | so that it wouldn't crash after consuming 2gb of address space |
| 05:34.44 | Dagmar | it's the largest contiguous chunk you can grab |
| 05:34.46 | bleeter | frontendloader: recent driver change? |
| 05:34.52 | frontendloader | nope |
| 05:35.11 | bleeter | bios reset to defaults? |
| 05:35.15 | Arrowmaster | crysis always had those extensions compiled into it, if aion is using the crysis engine and not using those extensions they are idiots |
| 05:35.30 | Shirik | uh |
| 05:35.35 | frontendloader | the only thing I can think of is that I installed synergy (software kvm) |
| 05:35.38 | Shirik | news flash: the developers of aion don't know what they're doing |
| 05:35.45 | frontendloader | and there really shouldn't be any way that is causing it |
| 05:36.41 | bleeter | new pagefile |
| 05:37.08 | bleeter | dun look @ me like that, just throwing crazy ass ideas out :P |
| 05:37.32 | Dagmar | frontendloader: So uninstall the software and see if the problem goes away |
| 05:37.53 | bleeter | and/or heavy duty defrag |
| 05:38.03 | Dagmar | A defrag will be a waste of time |
| 05:38.17 | frontendloader | I might need a defrag regardless |
| 05:38.19 | bleeter | 8GB on a 32bit game is already a waste of time |
| 05:38.27 | frontendloader | I almost filled up my disk a week ago |
| 05:38.40 | Dagmar | I never saw him answer the question about what OS he's running |
| 05:38.46 | bleeter | coz he didn't |
| 05:38.57 | bleeter | almost filled up disk? yeah, at a guess need new pagefile |
| 05:39.04 | frontendloader | win vista 64 |
| 05:39.18 | Dagmar | frontendloader: 1. SMART diagnostics in the disk will reveal anything that matters there. |
| 05:39.44 | Dagmar | The paging file should pretty much not figure in since there's eight freakin' gigabytes of RAM |
| 05:40.44 | Dagmar | Disk errors like filesystem corruption or just a failing disk outright could do it |
| 05:40.49 | Dagmar | Simple fragmentation, probably not |
| 05:41.15 | frontendloader | so something like that could cause wow to take up more address space than normal? |
| 05:41.18 | Dagmar | modern disks are fast enough that unless you're running that on an old 80Gb disk from 2000, it's not likely to hold things up much |
| 05:41.26 | Adys | fuck pil |
| 05:41.31 | Adys | its awesome until you find a bug you cant fix |
| 05:41.41 | bleeter | depends how many torrents going on in background |
| 05:42.07 | Adys | [07:35:38] <@Shirik> news flash: the developers of aion don't know what they're doing |
| 05:42.07 | Adys | why? |
| 05:42.20 | Shirik | there's so many security problems it's insane |
| 05:42.31 | Shirik | they basically assume the client is trustworthy |
| 05:42.34 | Arrowmaster | they work for ncsoft, does anything else need to be said? |
| 05:42.39 | frontendloader | a friend of mine made a character that was 20 stories tall |
| 05:42.41 | frontendloader | in aion |
| 05:42.48 | Dagmar | Bots, bots, and more bots. |
| 05:42.54 | frontendloader | because the character creator doesn't check any values |
| 05:42.56 | Shirik | cross-faction chatting has become pretty standard in pvp |
| 05:42.59 | frontendloader | except in the gui itself |
| 05:43.09 | Dagmar | frontendloader: What, specfically, is making you think WoW is consuming too much RAM? |
| 05:43.33 | frontendloader | the fact that as soon as the virtual memory consumed value crosses 1.8 GB |
| 05:43.34 | frontendloader | I go poof |
| 05:43.40 | Arrowmaster | probably it crashing saying it tried to alocate more ram than possible |
| 05:43.56 | Dagmar | ....and if you're running off a Seagate 7200.11 drive, go download SeaTools from their site and run it against your disk now. |
| 05:44.23 | frontendloader | I'll find the thread quick |
| 05:44.34 | frontendloader | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133415207&sid=1 |
| 05:44.37 | Dagmar | frontendloader: So you're getting a nice dialog box that says "Oops! You crossed the 1.8gb threshold and now yer screwed, mate!"? |
| 05:45.07 | frontendloader | no theres actually no reference to the total mapped memory amount |
| 05:46.30 | Dagmar | Being that this issue is so far "out there" I'd suggest Memtest86+ tonight, and a quick vetting of your hard disk while you're at it |
| 05:46.44 | frontendloader | I'm not in here because I need tier 1 wow tech support |
| 05:46.46 | Dagmar | i gotta ring someone up real quick and then I'll look at what this thing's telling you |
| 05:47.15 | Dagmar | yeah well, if I had a nickel for every time windows gave me a straight answer I'd sure as hell still be working. Oh, wait |
| 05:47.21 | frontendloader | that thread documents the problem pretty well |
| 05:47.26 | frontendloader | for being on the wow forums |
| 05:47.42 | Arrowmaster | yeah the first post explains it perfectly |
| 05:49.58 | Dagmar | Yes. I blame Vista |
| 05:50.16 | Dagmar | Since you've apparently replaced all the hardware, and the client doesn't do this on it's own, it leaves Vista. |
| 05:50.21 | Dagmar | Done. |
| 05:51.41 | Dagmar | I can see from the thread that there's no point in involving myself in it further. |
| 05:51.41 | Arrowmaster | the solution is simple, turn down the graphics settings |
| 05:52.55 | frontendloader | yeah I'm just unsure which one would have the greatest effect |
| 05:53.13 | Dagmar | Turn them all down. |
| 05:53.18 | Dagmar | Wait for the problem to repeat. |
| 05:53.29 | Amarande | just be careful with view distance, lest you get a case of the deadly titanium :) |
| 05:53.47 | Arrowmaster | probably texture quality would effect it the most |
| 05:53.56 | Dagmar | Oh come on. Seeing giants materialize just fifteen feet away from you adds excitement. |
| 05:54.12 | Arrowmaster | s/giants/devilsaurs/ |
| 05:54.25 | Arrowmaster | they stealth |
| 05:54.40 | Dagmar | It's either Vista, the client files being knackered, or possibly a virus, assuming that all physical causes have been elminated |
| 05:54.51 | bleeter | Side question, Why run with 8GB page and 6GB RAM? Isn't 1.5* 9GB page for 6GB RAM? Have M$ recommendations changed? |
| 05:54.55 | Dagmar | I imagine a lot of other people would see this happening if it were Vista tho |
| 05:55.00 | Arrowmaster | its not, ive heard of this issue for years, way before wrath even |
| 05:55.24 | Dagmar | My money's still on the disk being broken tho |
| 05:55.39 | bleeter | That thread indicated guy went from HDD to SDD |
| 05:55.50 | bleeter | but that made me think 'compare apples to oranges' |
| 05:56.15 | Arrowmaster | its only people running at really huge resolutions and graphics settings that constantly hit the 2gb limit, other people are just random luck they do some of the 'fixes' and random luck they dont get it again and they think it worked |
| 05:56.16 | bleeter | *SSD |
| 05:56.17 | Dagmar | yes in that thread he eliminated pretty much everything except Vista and user agency |
| 05:56.35 | frontendloader | yeah I'm running at a pretty reasonable resoultion I think |
| 05:56.40 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 05:56.40 | frontendloader | 1680x1050 |
| 05:56.48 | Dagmar | You're running at a ludicrous resolution, man |
| 05:56.51 | frontendloader | its big but it isn't crazy big |
| 05:57.01 | Arrowmaster | if youve got all graphics settings on high youll still use a lot of ram |
| 05:57.04 | Dagmar | I'm running at 1680x1050 and never a problem |
| 05:57.14 | Dagmar | Yer thread says 2560x1600 |
| 05:57.24 | frontendloader | its not my thread |
| 05:57.52 | Dagmar | Then start doing hardware tests |
| 05:58.09 | Arrowmaster | right its from caching all those larger textures in ram since the video card cant hold them all (and it doesnt need them all all the time) |
| 05:58.45 | Dagmar | One hiccough at the wrong time and Windows can get really weird ideas about how large something will need to be when uncompressed |
| 05:58.50 | frontendloader | oh that reminds me |
| 05:59.03 | frontendloader | a half year ago I bumped up my texture cache cvar |
| 05:59.08 | frontendloader | time to punch it back to default |
| 05:59.16 | Dagmar | Probably a good idea |
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| 05:59.42 | Dagmar | I've got a practically stock install of W7 64, piles of RAM, and run a buncha crap at the same time as WoW. No problems |
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| 06:02.51 | Dagmar | My guess is that Vista is probably putting the client into memory space it shoudn't |
| 06:03.31 | Dagmar | frontendloader: Dumb as this sounds, take out 4Gb of your RAM, and then just turn everything else in the client to max |
| 06:04.17 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21723843232&sid=1 |
| 06:04.21 | kd3 | ? |
| 06:04.56 | frontendloader | hot damn kd3 |
| 06:05.01 | frontendloader | that could help |
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| 06:05.12 | Dagmar | Hell yes it could |
| 06:05.50 | frontendloader | random Error 134 crashes, especially flying out of Dalaran, |
| 06:05.55 | frontendloader | pretty much describes it perfectly |
| 06:06.58 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: what were you saying earlier about the 7200.11 |
| 06:08.00 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
| 06:08.06 | Adys | or actually, anyone good with imagemagick? |
| 06:09.01 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Apparently Maxtor made them |
| 06:09.06 | Dagmar | That kinda says it all |
| 06:09.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah... |
| 06:09.28 | Arrowmaster | i think ive got eight 7200.11s |
| 06:09.44 | Dagmar | After recieving a somewhat panicked message from a brand new ubuntu install, and about four hours of subsequent digging, I discovered I was about a day too late |
| 06:09.49 | Adys | I made you a baby but he's not compatible with ATi |
| 06:09.53 | Dagmar | run SeaTools on them *now* |
| 06:10.19 | Dagmar | The fun thing that happens is that SMART logging overwrites the P-list and G-list somehow |
| 06:10.20 | Arrowmaster | they came free with my eight samsung raid drives, and like a week later newegg changed the deal to be a free samsung drive instead of a seagate drive |
| 06:10.40 | Dagmar | So all of a sudden one day you'll see a huge number of bad sectors being reported |
| 06:10.42 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i cant run SeaTools, im not on windows |
| 06:10.54 | Dagmar | They're not bad... the drive is just reading the corrupted defective sector list. |
| 06:11.01 | Dagmar | They have bootable ISOs for it |
| 06:11.31 | Dagmar | If I'd known about needing a flash update, I could have saved the drive |
| 06:11.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah smartctl warns me about it but i cant find anything from the links |
| 06:11.58 | Dagmar | As it stands I lucked out and had a spare WD 500Gb green drive just lying around I hadn't put into use yet |
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| 06:12.11 | Arrowmaster | i get linked to http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=207951 yet i dont see anything of use on that page |
| 06:12.17 | Dagmar | The straightforward dd copy of the disk to another one made a noise like a small child chewing up hard candy |
| 06:12.46 | Dagmar | The head was chasing all over looking for spare sectors it didn't need apparently |
| 06:13.06 | Dagmar | Oh if you've been sent to that page and your drive's label has one of those model numbers on it, you need the update |
| 06:13.27 | Arrowmaster | oh wait, turned on javascript and the page actually has some content now |
| 06:13.29 | Dagmar | The 160Gb drive I bought for my gf at the same time for her gaming machine is ALSO heading back to Seagate |
| 06:13.46 | Dagmar | It doesn't fail anything I can throw at it, but SeaTools _knows_ *something* is up |
| 06:14.16 | Dagmar | All the SMART values are fine, it passes the short and long tests with flying colors. No bad sectors reported or anything |
| 06:14.39 | Dagmar | ...however when SeaTools reads the SMART data it's instant fail time, and it gives ya that nice red number to tell warranty support |
| 06:15.08 | Dagmar | So clearly, it's seeing the serial number and saying "It's going to fail. Let's just send it back now before you're screaming at our people on the phone" |
| 06:15.44 | Arrowmaster | now how can i boot this iso from a flash drive instead of actually burning a cd |
| 06:17.51 | Dagmar | Make the thumbdrive bootable, copy the files out of the ISO into there, cross your fingers? |
| 06:19.05 | Dagmar | I'm not really sure that will work, but it can't take more than a couple of minutes to try |
| 06:20.43 | Dagmar | Aha. Read a little more than halfway down http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/243423-32-image-flash and just involves misusing part of the U3 installer a little bit |
| 06:21.56 | Dagmar | unetbootin may or may not work for that. I've not used it |
| 06:23.39 | Arrowmaster | the iso has a 1.44mb img on it that it boots that i assume from the readme has freedos on it |
| 06:25.32 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 06:25.42 | Arrowmaster | yeah the unetbootin should work |
| 06:25.59 | Arrowmaster | give it the 1.44mb img and then copy the other things on the iso over |
| 06:26.00 | Dagmar | One of the ones I grabbed from there let me in on the dirty secret that the Maxtor people they bought had somehing to do with it |
| 06:26.36 | Dagmar | It came up, finally found the disk (which it could never find while the board was in AHCI mode.... funfunfun) and promptly refused to do anything because it wasn't a Maxtor disk |
| 06:26.50 | Dagmar | I would recommend disconnecting all your other hard drives when you flash, for that reason |
| 06:27.12 | Dagmar | If they're concerned about it, and they're idiots, there's probably a good chance it could reflash all sorts of disks it shouldn't |
| 06:28.00 | Arrowmaster | well ive got a hardware raid card with 8x samsungs in it that i doubt the seagate program would be able to see |
| 06:28.49 | Arrowmaster | but my 2 seagate are in a fakeraid1 using the intel chipset |
| 06:29.06 | Arrowmaster | so i gota put it back in ahci mode? |
| 06:29.18 | Arrowmaster | or what |
| 06:29.43 | Dagmar | You'll find out after a reboot |
| 06:29.53 | Arrowmaster | im not going to do it anytime soon |
| 06:29.58 | Dagmar | I had to put mine in SATA mode |
| 06:29.59 | Arrowmaster | ill do it whenever i need to reboot |
| 06:30.11 | Arrowmaster | which is not often |
| 06:30.21 | Dagmar | Probably a good enough strategy since htat bug isn't likely to manifest outside of a reboot |
| 06:30.27 | Arrowmaster | so either poweroutage or new linux kernel |
| 06:30.50 | Dagmar | Just be prepared for a veritable carnival of failure |
| 06:30.56 | Adys | arhhgjhkgdjjkg someone kill me already |
| 06:31.16 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.30 | Dagmar | I mean, I was just floored when the supposedly Seagate tool I downloaded from Seagate's site to fix a Seagate disk came up and refused to do anything because the disk wasn't made by Maxtor |
| 06:31.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah seagate is total trash now, and so is WD |
| 06:32.10 | Dagmar | I'm still not having any WD disks fail tho |
| 06:32.47 | Arrowmaster | im on a 72% WD failure rate of disks less than 5 years old, most failed in less than 2 years |
| 06:33.32 | Dagmar | Wow |
| 06:33.34 | Arrowmaster | 7 failures out of 11 disks |
| 06:33.42 | kd3 | ow |
| 06:33.49 | kd3 | and ow some more |
| 06:34.26 | Arrowmaster | but the 160gb that i used as my OS drive that is over 5 years old now still works, its the only drive in the original system that didnt fail and get replaced |
| 06:34.42 | Arrowmaster | and those replacements then failed |
| 06:34.50 | Dagmar | God hates you man |
| 06:35.11 | Arrowmaster | why do you think i paid $150 each for 1TB drives a few months ago |
| 06:35.30 | Arrowmaster | fucking raid class drives with 7yr warranties |
| 06:35.32 | Dagmar | I've gone through at least three times that many disks. 0 failures out of all the WD drives I didn't *drop* like a ninny |
| 06:35.37 | Arrowmaster | i take no chances with my data now |
| 06:36.05 | Dagmar | What kills me is htat I'm *now* migrating to a raid solution |
| 06:36.14 | kd3 | oh wow... INTEREST FROM 11/17/2009 THROUGH 12/16/2009: $0.12 |
| 06:36.51 | Dagmar | Until now I just relied on well, a redundant array of inexpensive machines |
| 06:36.51 | kd3 | at least that's an improvement |
| 06:36.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah my drive failures werent in a raid |
| 06:36.51 | Dagmar | Most of my stuff just cron-atomically mirrored itself to other machines in the house |
| 06:37.05 | Arrowmaster | wait it was 8 out of 11 |
| 06:37.26 | Arrowmaster | yeah ive got 8 drives to recover, although i suspect most of them are probably just NTFS shitting itself |
| 06:37.56 | Dagmar | What's got me irked was that in the dedicated fileserver I'm finally building, there's six disks. Three 250's that'll be bound together, two 500's that'll be mirrored, and one 1.5Tb _Seagate Barracuda_ |
| 06:38.11 | Dagmar | I have exactly zero faith in that disk right now |
| 06:38.23 | Dagmar | I'm seriously looking to probably just sell it to someone on Craigslit. heh |
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| 06:38.55 | Arrowmaster | the last one died because the pagefile was on it and it ran out of spare sectors to use in place of bad sectors, so all the data on it should be intact |
| 06:39.13 | Dagmar | I dropped a 4Gb drive once on a tile floor. That pretty much killed it. I've been buying WD since just about forever because I still have them all. None ever died |
| 06:39.19 | Arrowmaster | it just killed all the freespace then windows refused to recognize it |
| 06:40.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah i dont think any of mine are truely dead, just they stopped being recognized by windows so i pulled them and shelved them |
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| 06:41.21 | Arrowmaster | fuck its cold in here |
| 06:41.27 | Arrowmaster | ~weather kday |
| 06:41.41 | Arrowmaster | cold.... |
| 06:50.23 | Adys | I have a value between 0 and 255 inclusive, I want this value to always equal 0 unless it equals 255 |
| 06:50.30 | Adys | is this doable with a binary operation? |
| 06:56.03 | NightHawkTheSane | value = (255==value)?255:0; ? |
| 06:56.15 | NightHawkTheSane | or am i missing something |
| 06:56.35 | Adys | is that possible in c? |
| 06:57.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm pretty sure c does ternery expressions |
| 06:57.03 | NiLon | Adys syntax is same |
| 06:58.18 | NiLon | or as normal if you could just do if (value != 255) value = 0; |
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| 07:03.15 | Torhal_ | Hrm. Now I have to shell out money to see Avatar on IMAX. |
| 07:03.46 | Torhal | I usually wait to see new movies when they're about a decade old |
| 07:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i wasn't terribly impressed by avatar |
| 07:09.40 | Torhal | The story or the effects? |
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| 07:10.04 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 07:10.08 | Torhal | Hah |
| 07:10.40 | NiLon | avatar without effects is like simpsons without homer |
| 07:10.42 | NightHawkTheSane | the effects were good, but it just seems like for the money it should have ben more impressive |
| 07:11.11 | NightHawkTheSane | and the story, while it had good roots, and i liked the basis of it, was very thin and underdeveloped |
| 07:11.27 | NightHawkTheSane | it was obvious they crammed about 6-8 hours of story into a 3 hour movie |
| 07:11.35 | NiLon | funny thing is that avatar have been in production for 14 years :p |
| 07:11.37 | Torhal | I think most of the money went into the technology used in making the film. They had special cameras that, when looking through the viewfinder, showed the actors as their characters. |
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| 07:17.49 | Adys | ok |
| 07:17.53 | Adys | took me 4 hours |
| 07:18.06 | Adys | 4 bloody hours to disable gradient transparency in PIL's paste |
| 07:19.11 | Adys | all it took was a well-placed "*mask = 255" |
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| 07:48.33 | Dagmar | Adys: I feel your pain |
| 08:00.13 | Wobin | hehe http://www.teefury.com/products_large_images/GandAlf640.jpg |
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| 08:30.38 | Adys | Dagmar: you think? |
| 08:30.51 | Adys | I just fixed it for good now |
| 08:30.58 | Adys | 1 hour and half after thinking I fixed it |
| 08:30.58 | Adys | if (i == 3) {*out = 255; out++, in++;continue;} |
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| 08:46.12 | Polarina | Ackis: Where do you upload the most up-to-date version of ARL? :) |
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| 08:47.50 | Polarina | Ackis: Wowinterface? |
| 08:49.23 | Torhal | Polarina: Curse. I just updated ARL on WoWI a few days ago. |
| 08:49.51 | Polarina | Torhal: Curse? Aww... What's the latest revision? |
| 08:50.02 | Torhal | Same as on WoWI. 2770 I believe |
| 08:50.23 | Polarina | Then I've found a newer version, I think. |
| 08:50.45 | Torhal | Though since Ackis quit WoW and therefore programming, it should be updated on both regularly (I didn't realize he hadn't updated it on WoWI) since I do my releases on both sites simultaneously. |
| 08:50.59 | Torhal | If you found a newer revision, it's an alpha on WoWAce. |
| 08:51.09 | Polarina | Hmm.. |
| 08:51.14 | Polarina | Broken or something? |
| 08:51.22 | Torhal | ? |
| 08:51.30 | Polarina | Is the Alpha broken? |
| 08:52.05 | Torhal | No, it actually has a couple of bugfixes. Unless pompy broke it - he broke it the other day by renaming some files and not updating their references. |
| 08:53.18 | SqueeG | Torhal : What posessed you to make mute the left click in volumizer? :p |
| 08:53.33 | Polarina | Is it still actively maintained, since Ackis left? :( |
| 08:53.45 | SqueeG | Torhal is maintaining it :-p |
| 08:54.00 | Torhal | Polarina: Yah, pompy takes care of all of the recipe stuff (as he has been for about a year) and I do the code. |
| 08:54.37 | Polarina | Oh, cool. :) |
| 08:54.38 | SqueeG | Because tor is apparently, "The Man" |
| 08:54.52 | SqueeG | I demand a forum title change for him now :-p |
| 08:56.00 | Polarina | wonders why Ackis left WoW. |
| 08:56.37 | SqueeG | People get bored, it happens |
| 08:56.41 | Torhal | I'm not "The Man". That's Dolby. |
| 08:56.53 | Torhal | And yah, that's pretty much it - Ackis got bored. |
| 08:57.01 | Polarina | :( |
| 08:57.06 | Polarina | When did that happen? |
| 08:57.15 | Polarina | He should've tried out the new dungeon finder. :P |
| 08:57.15 | Torhal | About six months ago. |
| 08:57.26 | Torhal | His account expired a few days ago. |
| 08:57.32 | Polarina | Oh. |
| 08:57.36 | SqueeG | ffs >.< I really need to sit down and play |
| 08:57.53 | Torhal | He renewed after about two months, then switched to Alliance, then did nothing. |
| 08:57.55 | Fisker | slaps Polarina around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:58.00 | SqueeG | nooooooooooooooooo |
| 08:58.03 | SqueeG | alliance? >.< |
| 08:58.09 | SqueeG | No wonder why he got bored |
| 08:58.10 | Polarina | When I get bored, I go Squirrel hunting with a raid! |
| 08:58.11 | Wobin | there's a death sentence =( |
| 08:58.59 | Torhal | Yah - he did the whole paid faction-change thing. And because of it, I had to re-write how Collectinator handled pets and mounts. Seems Blizzard didn't take away his Horde Mammoth when he switched, so Collectinator was bitching about it not being in the database (I wasn't loading Horde shit for Alliance, and vice versa) |
| 08:59.32 | SqueeG | wait. |
| 08:59.43 | Polarina | Torhal: :D |
| 08:59.49 | Torhal | Polarina: And if you read the commit notes in ARL you'll see I've been pretty much soloing the code for awhile now. |
| 09:00.01 | Polarina | Torhal: Need help? :) |
| 09:00.40 | Torhal | Not at this point. Unless you have some patches. |
| 09:01.01 | Polarina | I'll see if I find something missing. |
| 09:01.06 | Polarina | ;) |
| 09:01.10 | Torhal | I'm actually in the middle of a huge overhaul. |
| 09:01.38 | Torhal | Re-wrote a bunch of the code over the course of a month starting a week before Thanksgiving,. |
| 09:02.02 | Polarina | Cool. |
| 09:02.04 | Torhal | Then I stopped dead because my OCD forced me to write TravelAgent. |
| 09:02.09 | Polarina | :( |
| 09:02.25 | Polarina | shoots Torhal's friend. |
| 09:02.32 | pompy | Polarina: find what missing? |
| 09:02.42 | Polarina | pompy: Features, not recipes. :P |
| 09:02.46 | Torhal | My friend (if you're referring to OCD) is why ARL has a maintainer. :P |
| 09:03.02 | Polarina | o.O |
| 09:03.28 | SqueeG | Your OCD forced you to write travelagent? :p wtf |
| 09:03.56 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 09:04.36 | Torhal | I was using Broker_Location, but it wasn't doing what I needed and had a YUGE tooltip. Then I looked at its code and the deal was sealed. |
| 09:04.36 | SqueeG | Interesante |
| 09:04.47 | SqueeG | lmao |
| 09:05.11 | SqueeG | i should just write badly coded stuff, get you to use it, then look at the innards |
| 09:05.28 | Torhal | Hah |
| 09:05.32 | SqueeG | :3 Sorry, overtired, talking pesh |
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| 09:05.59 | SqueeG | zomg it's Ackis's's's's's birthday? |
| 09:06.04 | SqueeG | happy birfday Ackis |
| 09:06.08 | Adys | no, its not |
| 09:06.12 | Torhal | It was on the 1st. |
| 09:06.15 | SqueeG | T_T sad |
| 09:06.20 | SqueeG | Ah well, close enough |
| 09:06.22 | SqueeG | Night! :p |
| 09:06.49 | Polarina | Torhal: The released version is broken. I try to click on scan, it tells me to open my tradeskill window, and it won't open at all. :( |
| 09:06.50 | Torhal | SqueeG: NEIN |
| 09:06.57 | SqueeG | nein? |
| 09:07.11 | Torhal | Polarina: Are you using a tradeskill AddOn? |
| 09:07.24 | Torhal | SqueeG: You must stay awake FOREVER. |
| 09:07.38 | SqueeG | ah |
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| 09:07.38 | SqueeG | Nowai... gotta get up at 8 =p |
| 09:07.45 | SqueeG | I got my dad tickets to tour Giants stadium |
| 09:07.48 | Torhal | It's past 8! |
| 09:08.02 | SqueeG | 8 AM O_o |
| 09:08.14 | SqueeG | i huz 4 hours :p |
| 09:08.16 | Polarina | Torhal: No. |
| 09:08.26 | Polarina | Torhal: I am using ARL, Auctioneer and nothing else. |
| 09:08.52 | SqueeG | I defeat the purpose of AuctionLite by using it in conjunction with Auctioneer :D |
| 09:08.55 | Torhal | Polarina: Are you opening the TradeSkill window and not getting a scan button, or are you trying to scan from the config panel, or...? |
| 09:09.08 | Polarina | Torhal: The latter. |
| 09:09.24 | Torhal | I never understood why that even existed. |
| 09:09.31 | pompy | lol i know |
| 09:09.33 | SqueeG | Nix it! |
| 09:09.35 | SqueeG | Quick! |
| 09:09.36 | Torhal | Just open the tradeskill you want to scan, then scan it |
| 09:09.56 | Torhal | I'll look at the config panel later. |
| 09:09.58 | Polarina | Ok, thanks. |
| 09:10.03 | Torhal | Or you can file a ticket to make sure I do. |
| 09:10.04 | Torhal | :D |
| 09:10.09 | pompy | u cant even open the tradeskillui with the interface options panel open |
| 09:10.16 | pompy | unless u have a tradeskill ui addon |
| 09:10.20 | pompy | its dumb |
| 09:10.50 | Torhal | I should probably yank that then. I never saw the point in it, but I figured Ackis added it for a reason... |
| 09:11.25 | pompy | Polarina: try latest alpha for the hell of it and see if ur issue is still there. |
| 09:11.36 | SqueeG | some things get added in, then forgotten about :p |
| 09:11.56 | Polarina | pompy: Ok, will do. |
| 09:12.00 | SqueeG | In fact... that was one of my favorite things to do :D |
| 09:12.24 | SqueeG | "Why the eff bomb did I add that?" |
| 09:13.55 | Dagmar | This is why god invented comments in code |
| 09:14.30 | Polarina | pompy: I still got issues, tooltips colliding with eachother, making text unreadable. |
| 09:14.55 | pompy | Polarina: arl ui to close to end of ur screen, thats why the tt;s are overlapping |
| 09:14.57 | Torhal | Polarina: Colliding? Do you have ARL too close to the edge of the screen where they are anchored? |
| 09:14.59 | pompy | they dont go off screen |
| 09:15.20 | Torhal | You can either move ARL, change the tooltip anchor points, or do both. |
| 09:15.25 | Polarina | Torhal: I have it where it popped up when I clicked Scan. |
| 09:15.41 | Torhal | Then the defaults need remedied. |
| 09:15.54 | Torhal | Or you'd moved it before. |
| 09:17.07 | Polarina | I added a recipe to the map, what now? |
| 09:17.43 | Torhal | Nothing, unless you have TomTom installed. Then, you'd have a big arrow saying "This way!" |
| 09:17.49 | Polarina | :(:(:( |
| 09:17.57 | Polarina | :( |
| 09:17.58 | Polarina | :'( |
| 09:18.04 | Torhal | I need to make that more clear |
| 09:18.21 | Torhal | Or simply detect the non-existence of TomTom and don't add that damn line to the tooltip hint. |
| 09:18.27 | Trela | Any one know of a web site that I can do code difference checks just by copying and pasting the code? |
| 09:19.00 | pompy | Trela: pastebin |
| 09:19.48 | Dagmar | Pastebin does diffs? |
| 09:19.50 | Polarina | Torhal: Any way to get coordinates or something? |
| 09:19.52 | Trela | pompy: I know of that, but I mainly just want it displayed to me. I have no need to give it out. |
| 09:19.59 | Torhal | Polarina: TomTom. |
| 09:20.07 | pompy | Dagmar: yeah just c/p new text to ur existing one |
| 09:20.10 | pompy | and it shows a diff |
| 09:20.23 | Torhal | Polarina: Unless I'm not understanding what you're trying to say. |
| 09:20.45 | Polarina | It says "World Drop" but not from what mobs. |
| 09:20.52 | SqueeG | I think Polarina is trying to ask you if there's a way to print the recipe coords |
| 09:20.54 | SqueeG | w/o tomtom |
| 09:21.07 | SqueeG | world drop means.... any mob |
| 09:21.14 | Dagmar | Ahhh... I've never even done that once before. Hehe |
| 09:21.15 | Polarina | Any level? |
| 09:21.18 | pompy | Dagmar: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?diff=d2a3bca01 |
| 09:21.19 | Dagmar | Learn somethin' new every week |
| 09:22.11 | Polarina | Wold drop recipes are from mobs of any level and type? |
| 09:22.21 | Torhal | Polarina: Sometimes, yes. Sometimes, no. |
| 09:22.30 | Polarina | ... |
| 09:22.32 | SqueeG | oh noes xD |
| 09:22.38 | SqueeG | <3 Wowhead |
| 09:22.55 | SqueeG | as i was saying earlier xD |
| 09:22.57 | SqueeG | Gnight! :D |
| 09:23.07 | Torhal | Indeed. Armed with the knowledge that you're missing "Elixir of Unnamable Powers" and that it's a World Drop, WoWHead will be of immense help,. |
| 09:23.11 | Torhal | SqueeG: LIES! |
| 09:23.29 | Dagmar | Generlaly no |
| 09:23.43 | Torhal | Dagmar: Shh. |
| 09:23.49 | SqueeG | I will catch you later sir Torhal! :p |
| 09:23.50 | Torhal | Ok. It CAN help. |
| 09:23.51 | SqueeG | Eh |
| 09:23.56 | Dagmar | I can assure you if say, one of those wolves outside of Northshire Abbey dropped a purple, the person would STILL be freaking out on the forums about it |
| 09:24.00 | SqueeG | Wowhead would at least help you narrow down mobs |
| 09:24.14 | SqueeG | if it's specific mobs or not |
| 09:24.16 | SqueeG | or...something |
| 09:24.23 | SqueeG | BED |
| 09:24.28 | Dagmar | Generally mobs in an appropriate level range |
| 09:24.44 | Dagmar | You can always check Thottbot for second opinions |
| 09:25.23 | Polarina | Torhal: when I click on + for the top recipe listed on the list of unknown recipes, everything disappears from the list. :( |
| 09:26.45 | pompy | Polarina: what profession |
| 09:27.04 | Polarina | pompy: Alchemy. |
| 09:27.13 | Polarina | It also happens on some other random recipes. |
| 09:27.18 | Torhal | Hrm... |
| 09:29.00 | pompy | Polarina: whats ur top recipe? |
| 09:29.08 | Polarina | The text "World Drop" is sometimes green and sometimes white. What does that signifify |
| 09:29.10 | Polarina | ? |
| 09:29.13 | Polarina | pompy: Let me check. |
| 09:29.24 | pompy | Polarina: the item rarity |
| 09:29.26 | Polarina | pompy: Discolored Healing Potion. |
| 09:29.30 | Polarina | pompy: Oh, cool. |
| 09:29.30 | Torhal | I need to find that...you're the second person who has reported that, and I haven't seen it yet. |
| 09:30.10 | pompy | Polarina: u have the quest filter checked? |
| 09:30.25 | Polarina | pompy: I have the default filtering... |
| 09:32.18 | Polarina | It also says that Goblin Rocket Fuel is learnt from trainers (it disappears when I remove that filter). |
| 09:32.25 | Polarina | But on the tooltip, it's a recipe from engineers. |
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| 09:33.24 | Polarina | And when I disable "Vendor", nothing disappears, although many of the recipes missing are sold by vendors. |
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| 10:14.15 | Adys | I need a bash script that recursively renames files and folders to lowercase |
| 10:14.28 | Adys | i got a bad perl script to do that |
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| 10:15.28 | Arrowmaster | rename 'y/A-Z/a-z/' * |
| 10:15.44 | Nate_ | New to UI development here. Is Dewdrop out of date? |
| 10:15.49 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:16.00 | Nate_ | What would be a good replacement for it? |
| 10:16.14 | Arrowmaster | there isnt one |
| 10:16.17 | Adys | Arrowmaster: thats recursive? |
| 10:16.33 | Arrowmaster | Adys: i dont know, if its not add a g after the last / |
| 10:16.37 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 10:16.46 | Arrowmaster | i just copied it directly from man rename |
| 10:17.04 | Adys | well thats nice |
| 10:17.24 | Arrowmaster | did it work? |
| 10:17.27 | Adys | yep |
| 10:17.29 | Adys | thanks |
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| 10:17.53 | Arrowmaster | is it recursive? |
| 10:17.57 | Adys | yep |
| 10:18.17 | Arrowmaster | wasnt expecting that.... |
| 10:20.40 | Zhinjio | anyone on that has a paypal account that is *not* a merchant account that can check something for me? |
| 10:22.21 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 10:22.24 | zenzelezz | Zhinjio: let me see if I remember my login... |
| 10:22.36 | Zhinjio | zenzelezz: thx |
| 10:22.49 | Adys | Arrowmaster: also, do you have any idea how to run a command only if an arg doesn't start with /? |
| 10:22.52 | Adys | a=$(winepath -w "$1") |
| 10:23.10 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.35 | Zhinjio | Wobin ... what I'm trying to figure out is if a non-merchant has an "ID" listed at the top of their Profile page as well |
| 10:23.45 | Zhinjio | as a merchant I see "Secure Merchant Account ID" |
| 10:23.54 | Adys | Arrowmaster: at worst, if $1 != /console |
| 10:23.56 | Zhinjio | as a non-merchant is there ... like "Account ID" or something? |
| 10:24.06 | Arrowmaster | Adys: man bash |
| 10:24.13 | Wobin | in the direct profile bit? |
| 10:24.32 | Zhinjio | yeah, when you first login, just hit "Profile" it should be right at the top |
| 10:24.35 | Zhinjio | right under your name |
| 10:24.46 | Arrowmaster | put an if statement and then look at the different stuff for the different operators and find one that works |
| 10:24.47 | Adys | Arrowmaster: how do I search in info :P |
| 10:24.54 | Wobin | http://screencast.com/t/OGEyZmUwM |
| 10:25.02 | Arrowmaster | dont know about info but try / |
| 10:25.53 | Wobin | Zhinjio, or http://screencast.com/t/ODE0ZmM3YTgt |
| 10:25.56 | Zhinjio | crap |
| 10:26.20 | Arrowmaster | merchant accounts have always been the only ones to have the id's |
| 10:26.34 | Arrowmaster | and thus the ability to make the little buttons |
| 10:26.49 | Zhinjio | well, when a transaction comes through, I get an ID from nonmerchants just as well as a merchant |
| 10:26.58 | Trela | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. |
| 10:26.59 | Zhinjio | and I wanted to know if that ID is accessible to normal users |
| 10:27.06 | Adys | Arrowmaster: [[ $a1 == /* ]] |
| 10:27.09 | Zhinjio | it appears it isn't |
| 10:27.12 | Zhinjio | ah well |
| 10:27.18 | Zhinjio | I guess I'll have to do verification based on email address |
| 10:27.20 | Zhinjio | thats stinky |
| 10:27.46 | Zhinjio | thanks for your help Wobin |
| 10:27.51 | Wobin | no worries |
| 10:28.04 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 10:28.13 | Wobin | You wouldn't hey me, Fisker |
| 10:28.21 | Fisker | second picture doesn't work |
| 10:28.23 | Fisker | so yes i would |
| 10:28.39 | Wobin | yeah, I just deleted it |
| 10:28.44 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 10:28.45 | Wobin | cause it has personal info on it =P |
| 10:29.00 | Fisker | you don't want me to be gay for you? |
| 10:29.29 | Zhinjio | duh, I guess I could have just looked in the sandbox at my test accounts |
| 10:29.43 | Wobin | Fisker, You don't have to do that, save it for that special someone! |
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| 10:31.52 | Zhinjio | well, good. All transactions went through from all countries. |
| 10:31.59 | Fisker | but you are that special someone Wobin ;( |
| 10:32.03 | Zhinjio | CA, GB, AU, FR, DE< IT, NL, ES all worked. |
| 10:32.32 | Torhal | Zhinjio: All your monies are belong to us? |
| 10:32.51 | Zhinjio | well, I'm hoping some of everyone else's monies will belong to me, at some point. |
| 10:32.53 | Torhal | This BluRay Dexter torrent is pissing me off. |
| 10:32.55 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 10:33.36 | Zhinjio | I guess I should do the schema work up front and do it right instead of just storing flat transaction data. |
| 10:33.45 | Zhinjio | never know when I might want to generate complex reports |
| 10:34.05 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: season 1 and 2? |
| 10:34.29 | Adys | Arrowmaster: wtf |
| 10:34.34 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Just season 1. It'll spike at 300+KiB/s then fall down to 20/sec |
| 10:34.39 | Adys | if [[ $a1 != /* ]]; then |
| 10:34.39 | Adys | a=$(winepath -w "$1") |
| 10:34.39 | Adys | fi |
| 10:34.43 | Adys | wheres the syntax error? |
| 10:34.51 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.54 | Arrowmaster | thats not at all how you do that |
| 10:34.56 | Torhal | And with each ep being 2.2GB, it's bullshit |
| 10:35.12 | Torhal | It took me four days to download episode 1 and 2. |
| 10:35.15 | Adys | Arrowmaster: how then? :P |
| 10:35.18 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: i have that torrent |
| 10:35.59 | Torhal | Dexter_S01_Season_1_720p_Bluray_x264_AC3-ORPHEUS.4868232.TPB.torrent |
| 10:36.58 | Arrowmaster | Adys: whats $a1? |
| 10:36.58 | Adys | er ops |
| 10:36.59 | Arrowmaster | something you created? |
| 10:36.59 | Adys | thats supposed to be $1 |
| 10:36.59 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 10:36.59 | Adys | but regardless thats not the error |
| 10:38.05 | Wobin | heh, Google's 'blank' I'm feeling lucky is nice |
| 10:38.44 | Fisker | bah |
| 10:38.55 | Arrowmaster | Adys: if [[ ${1:0:1} != "/" ]]; |
| 10:38.57 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 10:38.58 | Fisker | only on the us google it appears |
| 10:39.04 | Arrowmaster | i dont know i dont fuck with bash scripts |
| 10:39.15 | Adys | http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/comparison-ops.html |
| 10:39.17 | Adys | [[ $a == z* ]] # True if $a starts with an "z" (regex pattern matching). |
| 10:39.28 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 10:39.31 | Wobin | works on au google |
| 10:40.53 | Fisker | oh hell naw |
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| 10:47.47 | Adys | Arrowmaster: wow |
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| 10:47.50 | Adys | I was using /bin/sh |
| 10:47.56 | Adys | ugh headache now |
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| 11:11.16 | Nate_ | Should I write a new addon in Ace2 or Ace3? |
| 11:11.37 | Nate_ | Rather, should I learn Ace2 or 3? |
| 11:11.42 | frontendloader | whats to learn |
| 11:12.09 | Nate_ | What do you mean, frontend? |
| 11:16.12 | Nechckn_AFK | Ace 2 is being phased out and likely will have no more updates, so you are better off to use Ace3, Natch| |
| 11:16.23 | Nechckn_AFK | woops... Nate_ even =) |
| 11:17.07 | Nate_ | Alright, that's what I figured. Thanks, Nechckn :] |
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| 11:20.44 | Nate_ | What's the difference between calling an Ace library as a LibStub or as a NewAddon? |
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| 11:21.23 | Nate_ | for example: MyAddon = LibStub("AceLibrary-3.0"):NewAddon("AceConfig-3.0") |
| 11:23.55 | Adys | Arrowmaster: I was wrong btw |
| 11:24.01 | Adys | rename wasnt recursive |
| 11:24.11 | Adys | and adding a g at the end results in a syntax error |
| 11:24.21 | Adys | syntax error at (eval 1) line 2, near "y/A-Z/a-z/g |
| 11:24.25 | Adys | Bareword found where operator expected at (eval 1) line 1, near "y/A-Z/a-z/g" |
| 11:24.42 | Arrowmaster | guess g is only for s/// |
| 11:25.49 | Arrowmaster | try using ** instead of * for recursive |
| 11:25.57 | Arrowmaster | its a bash 4 thing |
| 11:26.08 | Arrowmaster | not sure if its enabled by default |
| 11:26.12 | Torhal | Nate_: Even if Ace2 were being updated, there's a _reason_ Ace3 exists. |
| 11:26.50 | Adys | Arrowmaster: doesnt worke ither |
| 11:27.14 | Nate_ | Yeah I know, Torhal xD. I was just double checking |
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| 11:27.28 | Adys | Arrowmaster: doesnt seem enabled at all anyway |
| 11:27.32 | Adys | ls ** doesnt do jack |
| 11:27.35 | Arrowmaster | use find -print0 and xargs to fake it |
| 11:27.40 | Nate_ | I thought that there was a chance Ace2 would be easier to learn, or similar |
| 11:27.48 | Arrowmaster | or enable the option so ** works |
| 11:28.37 | Adys | how? |
| 11:28.54 | Arrowmaster | shopt -s globstar |
| 11:28.56 | Adys | ungooglable stuff |
| 11:29.13 | Adys | oh win |
| 11:29.14 | Adys | thanks! |
| 11:29.25 | Adys | Arrowmaster: should i put that in bashrc or does it remember? |
| 11:29.38 | Arrowmaster | bashrc would probably be best |
| 11:29.42 | Adys | kay |
| 11:30.22 | Arrowmaster | that really should be enabled by default imho |
| 11:30.29 | Arrowmaster | its one of the reasons i use zsh |
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| 11:30.42 | Fisker | http://i50.tinypic.com/28gy33k.png <-ea's web developer should hit himself with a blunt object |
| 11:30.50 | Fisker | "plz" |
| 11:31.08 | Adys | Arrowmaster: doesnt seem to work with ** either tho =/ |
| 11:31.26 | Arrowmaster | you do have bash 4 right? |
| 11:31.27 | Adys | Fisker: nice spam yo |
| 11:31.33 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue how to check |
| 11:31.45 | Adys | Arrowmaster: bash --version = 4.00.33 or something |
| 11:31.54 | Adys | and, ls interface/** works |
| 11:32.02 | Adys | but rename doesnt parse it |
| 11:32.41 | Arrowmaster | the shell will expand it, the ** wont get passed to rename |
| 11:33.00 | Adys | wait |
| 11:33.01 | Adys | now it works |
| 11:33.09 | Adys | but not in a bash script |
| 11:33.28 | Arrowmaster | put that shopt -s globstar in the bash script then |
| 11:33.38 | Adys | yeah |
| 11:34.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think scripts will always use the default settings, another reason its fucking retarded to have that off by default |
| 11:34.49 | Adys | Arrowmaster: wait, one more shitty thing |
| 11:35.08 | Adys | its renaming folders before renaming files |
| 11:35.22 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 11:35.40 | Arrowmaster | ok maybe using ** isnt a good idea |
| 11:35.45 | Adys | :P |
| 11:36.08 | Adys | i dont think find would change anything |
| 11:36.13 | Adys | also i can just run that line twice |
| 11:36.21 | Arrowmaster | find would |
| 11:37.46 | Arrowmaster | find interface/ -print0 | xargs -0 rename "y/A-Z/a-z/" |
| 11:37.52 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 11:38.19 | Adys | i just run it twice more. the amount of folder is static anyway |
| 11:38.32 | Arrowmaster | find interface/ -print0 | xargs -0 rename -n "y/A-Z/a-z/" |
| 11:38.38 | Arrowmaster | try that to test it with the -n |
| 11:39.15 | Arrowmaster | although it wont rename anything |
| 11:39.45 | Arrowmaster | but since i dont really use find or xargs much im not sure if that command is correct so test it |
| 11:41.51 | Adys | wait this aint good |
| 11:42.59 | Adys | oh |
| 11:42.59 | Adys | OH |
| 11:43.02 | Adys | of course... |
| 11:57.38 | Adys | ~ping |
| 11:57.39 | purl | ~pong |
| 11:57.45 | Adys | Arrowmaster: since you're so awesome |
| 11:58.15 | Adys | Arrowmaster: I got folder_1/bunch_of_files.png and folder_2/bunch_of_files.png |
| 11:58.26 | Adys | some names match, some are missing in folder_2 |
| 11:58.39 | Adys | I want to copy every item thats missing in folder 2 |
| 11:59.40 | Arrowmaster | so if its not in _2 you want to copy it from _1 into _2? |
| 12:00.32 | Adys | yes |
| 12:05.36 | Arrowmaster | im not sure, i could probably do it with some experimentation but i dont really have the time |
| 12:06.01 | Adys | n |
| 12:06.02 | Adys | np |
| 12:14.49 | Kalroth | it's called total commander! |
| 12:15.27 | nevcairiel | Adys: copy has a no-clobber argument or what it was called .. just copy stuff thats not existing |
| 12:15.32 | nevcairiel | looks up |
| 12:15.48 | Arrowmaster | good point |
| 12:15.50 | Arrowmaster | i forgot that |
| 12:16.28 | Adys | yeah -n |
| 12:16.30 | Adys | thanks |
| 12:17.18 | nevcairiel | why is that not on my cp man page |
| 12:17.21 | nevcairiel | screw debian |
| 12:17.50 | Arrowmaster | its in mine |
| 12:17.52 | Arrowmaster | on debian |
| 12:18.03 | Adys | its in cp --help |
| 12:18.19 | Arrowmaster | man 1 cp |
| 12:19.11 | nevcairiel | interesting, i got an invite to voddler .. even though it claims only to work for swedish people, i could sign up fine |
| 12:20.35 | Adys | now to figure pngcrush out |
| 12:22.58 | _rane | nevcairiel: got one as well |
| 12:23.55 | nevcairiel | it works, too |
| 12:24.03 | nevcairiel | alot of free movies in it |
| 12:24.05 | nevcairiel | likes |
| 12:24.30 | zenzelezz | but what a stupid name |
| 12:24.33 | zenzelezz | sounds like toddler |
| 12:24.46 | nevcairiel | what do i know if there is some swedish meaning in it |
| 12:25.42 | nevcairiel | the free movies are mostly pretty old, but still good movies |
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| 12:59.55 | zenzelezz | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Classic-WTF-The-Storray-Engine.aspx o_O |
| 13:09.37 | nevcairiel | thats not that bad, really |
| 13:09.45 | nevcairiel | i've seen really worse on dailywtf |
| 13:09.53 | zenzelezz | yeah |
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| 13:10.13 | zenzelezz | but if that "database" grows much, it becomes pretty bad |
| 13:11.24 | zenzelezz | I'm also wondering how it works if multiple people try to edit it at the same time, although in this specific case that looks unlikely |
| 13:11.58 | Adys | [#########/ ] 75270KB 85KB/s | Fetching revisions:Inserting stream |
| 13:12.03 | Adys | maybe i shouldnt have added maps to the repo |
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| 13:12.23 | zenzelezz | maps? Pictures? |
| 13:12.29 | Adys | ingame maps |
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| 13:23.09 | frontendloader | http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7296/hueglikexbox.jpg what do I win |
| 14:16.58 | ZorbaTHut | adys, pngcrush is pretty simple. I could toss you the commandline I use |
| 14:20.13 | Wobin | ugh |
| 14:20.20 | Wobin | I have the Ken Lee song stuck in my head |
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| 14:50.21 | amro | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Colored_Logic.aspx |
| 14:51.40 | Kalroth | haha |
| 14:53.25 | nevcairiel | its the dailywtf syndrome, one person posts a dailywtf link, and over the remainder of the day random people post more links because they cant stop reading |
| 14:56.18 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 14:56.22 | Fisker | i'm brrr'ing in here |
| 14:56.31 | nevcairiel | so turn on the heat |
| 14:56.37 | Fisker | what heat? |
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| 14:58.55 | nevcairiel | the heat! |
| 15:05.26 | ckknight | how long do DPS typically wait in the LFD queue? |
| 15:05.48 | ckknight | I've been only playing healer or tank, the wait's at max a minute |
| 15:06.04 | Fisker | 10 minutes on my server |
| 15:06.05 | ckknight | I logged on to my gf's mage to get her to the same level as me, it's been 10 minutes now |
| 15:06.06 | Fisker | tanks are instant though |
| 15:07.06 | A-KO | healers are also pretty much instant |
| 15:07.13 | A-KO | I've not waited longer than maybe a minute as a healer |
| 15:07.39 | TheDude22 | the queue time always says ~15m, but average as solo dps for me is 6m |
| 15:08.09 | TheDude22 | i have friends on the same server who swear their average is 10m, been thinking of tracking it |
| 15:08.33 | Pneumatus | about 10mins on my server as well |
| 15:08.37 | Pneumatus | sometimes as much as 15 mins |
| 15:10.44 | Wobin | increase your chances by grouping with a healer or tank first =) |
| 15:10.58 | TheDude22 | it seems really likely it uses gear or some other factor to pick your queue position. might be interesting to find out |
| 15:11.31 | amro | I use an addon that cuts in line |
| 15:11.34 | amro | Wait time: 0s |
| 15:11.42 | Wobin | I believe it does basic gear matching |
| 15:11.49 | Wobin | but nothing gearscorey |
| 15:12.01 | nevcairiel | it simply uses item level |
| 15:12.08 | Wobin | amro, is the addon called "Being a Tank"? |
| 15:12.12 | nevcairiel | not sure how it factors into the queue |
| 15:12.26 | Wobin | well, not the queue that I know of, but the group formation, sure |
| 15:13.48 | TheDude22 | yeah it could be something like class/account age etc |
| 15:14.07 | Wobin | eh I doubt that |
| 15:14.19 | Wobin | there's no point putting hidden complexity into the queuing system |
| 15:14.31 | nevcairiel | they did say they will always pick one "experienced" player for groups |
| 15:14.32 | nevcairiel | if possible |
| 15:14.39 | Wobin | yeah, whoever picks 'leader' |
| 15:14.41 | nevcairiel | not sure what experienced really means |
| 15:14.59 | nevcairiel | leader is a user choice, it doesnt have to be true |
| 15:15.06 | Wobin | or by achievement matching |
| 15:15.15 | Wobin | nevcairiel, sure, but they've fufilled the requirement |
| 15:15.28 | Wobin | by checking the box, you're stating you have the experience, even if you don't |
| 15:15.51 | nevcairiel | it could just look at kill counts for the bosses in those instances |
| 15:15.52 | Wobin | Blizz can just say "Well, we can't help it if people lie" =P |
| 15:16.04 | nevcairiel | the stats are there |
| 15:16.25 | Wobin | all you need is one kill |
| 15:16.56 | nevcairiel | its all a black box for us, anyway |
| 15:17.08 | Wobin | yeah |
| 15:17.18 | Wobin | which is why I don't think they'll put in any complexity |
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| 15:17.35 | amro | at the end of the day, healers and tanks don't have to wait while DPS gather dust in Dalaran. just like old times |
| 15:18.00 | TheDude22 | it could be perception, but i hear people complain about 10m+ queues in trade chat, but i still have a 6m average. and hit 10m maybe once out of 30 so far |
| 15:18.01 | Wobin | Cause god knows, if it's not specifically outlined in the requirements, I don't go out of my way to program in weighted complexity =P |
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| 15:18.31 | Wobin | I have not used the lfd on any toon other than my healer |
| 15:18.34 | zenzelezz | ... I read that as "not specifically Outland"... |
| 15:18.34 | TheDude22 | its begging for a big complicated distributed tracking thingy im too lazy to write :S |
| 15:18.38 | Wobin | because I can't be bothered queuing as dps |
| 15:18.47 | nevcairiel | I used LFD on my druid as both tank/heal and on my DK as tank |
| 15:18.56 | nevcairiel | never bothered to try even tickign DPS on both |
| 15:18.59 | nevcairiel | even if i could |
| 15:19.01 | Wobin | hehe so true |
| 15:19.08 | Wobin | the only time I dps is in guild premades |
| 15:19.29 | Wobin | my shammy is the only one of my toons that have done the new heroics >< |
| 15:19.35 | nevcairiel | man there are some weird movies in voddler that i never heard of |
| 15:19.43 | Wobin | he also now has full t9 in dps and heal sets though |
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| 15:23.44 | TheDude22 | yeah i have a very high relative gear level to the friends complaining. there must be some mojo in there to keep groups from having 5 pallys, or 3 rogues etc |
| 15:23.57 | Wobin | I've had that |
| 15:24.01 | Legorol|alt | mm, I DC-d, can someone please relink that dailywtf article? |
| 15:24.23 | TheDude22 | hah. fun |
| 15:24.24 | Wobin | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Classic-WTF-The-Storray-Engine.aspx ? |
| 15:24.58 | Lashar_ | hi ive got a problem with this line f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(_, _, id) if i open the game with this it tells me that there is a ')' missing in this line, if i add this ')' it tells me that there is a ')' to much >.> can somebody help me? :x |
| 15:24.58 | Legorol | no not that one, something that had Color or something in the link |
| 15:25.23 | Legorol | Lashar_: that line is not all by itself |
| 15:25.30 | Legorol | there should be one or more lines following it to complete it |
| 15:25.40 | Wobin | Lashar_, perhaps pastey the code |
| 15:25.44 | Wobin | www.pastey.net |
| 15:26.04 | Legorol | Wobin: pwetty please, can you scroll back up and link me the dailywtf link which started with Color? |
| 15:26.21 | Wobin | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Colored_Logic.aspx |
| 15:26.26 | Legorol | that's the one! thanks |
| 15:26.34 | Wobin | It's pretty facepalmy =) |
| 15:26.38 | Lashar_ | http://www.pastey.net/130898 |
| 15:26.40 | Lashar_ | here it is |
| 15:27.15 | Wobin | Lashar_, you appear to have one too many 'end's |
| 15:27.30 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 15:27.32 | Wobin | no that's fine |
| 15:28.08 | Wobin | yeah, you need to close off the SetScript function call |
| 15:28.19 | Wobin | put a ')' after the end on line 11 |
| 15:29.02 | Legorol | yup, the structure is: SetScript ( ... function ( .. ) .. blah .. end ) |
| 15:29.37 | Legorol | "end" on line 11 matches "function" on line 5, ) on line 11 matches the first ( on line 5 |
| 15:30.00 | Lashar_ | yeah >.> works fine now thanks! |
| 15:30.11 | Legorol | l2chunk :P |
| 15:31.37 | Lashar_ | i hope it will do what i want :D |
| 15:34.45 | Legorol | Wobin: that Storray Engine is... well... sometimes you wonder why there isn't a licence that's required to go near a computer |
| 15:35.05 | Wobin | =( |
| 15:35.19 | A-KO | Has anyone else noticed the economy deflating in WoW? |
| 15:35.21 | A-KO | Or is it just my realm? |
| 15:35.40 | Wobin | A-KO, what would cause a mass deflation across servers? |
| 15:35.58 | nevcairiel | enchanting mats have been going down alot since the LFG went live |
| 15:36.02 | TheDude22 | the wow economy is always constantly deflating |
| 15:37.09 | TheDude22 | the price of a lot of goods went down since the patch though, and not many went up |
| 15:37.52 | nevcairiel | prices rarely go up |
| 15:38.17 | Wobin | prices will always drop cause each patch gives cheaper raw materials |
| 15:38.34 | Wobin | across certain markets, at least |
| 15:39.04 | A-KO | well I've noticed on my realm that the flagship ore (Adamantite) of TBC was 30g/stack, now Saronite is down to 14g/stack. Even though people are earning more money, the value of the flagship product has deflated. |
| 15:40.35 | amro | Legorol: but you don't need to know SQL or any of that to use it!! |
| 15:40.49 | Wobin | saronite is way way more available than adamantite ever was |
| 15:41.31 | A-KO | I don't know about that |
| 15:41.42 | A-KO | I would say they're really about the same |
| 15:41.50 | zenzelezz | 14g for a stack of saronite ore is barely a profit from what you'd get after smelting them |
| 15:41.55 | zenzelezz | (from vendoring) |
| 15:42.01 | A-KO | yeah zenzelezz |
| 15:43.37 | TheDude22 | the lack of cooldown on transmute:titanium should have made saronite go up a little... but at least it didnt go down too much |
| 15:44.19 | A-KO | if I was in university, the WoW economy would be a great thing to do a paper on :P |
| 15:44.45 | A-KO | Because for the most part it's a nearly completely unregulated system |
| 15:44.47 | A-KO | especially in Wrath |
| 15:45.48 | A-KO | There's been a higher influx of gold (from dailies, quests, drops)--but there's almost nothing to try and force the hand of people. There's the tundra mammoth, but it's not a necessity, right? So not as many people desire to bother trying to save for it, which I think has been a huge problem. |
| 15:46.04 | A-KO | The mounts have always been Blizzard's prime method of keeping the economy in check |
| 15:47.54 | Fisker | zenzelezzmen |
| 15:48.04 | zenzelezz | Fiskermen |
| 15:48.38 | Fisker | hello |
| 15:48.45 | Fisker | want to be my friend? |
| 15:48.59 | zenzelezz | what do I get out of it? |
| 15:49.26 | Fisker | status updates from the worlds interesting man? |
| 15:49.53 | zenzelezz | what does he have to do with you? |
| 15:51.04 | Fisker | he is me |
| 15:51.38 | Pneumatus | A-KO: and the paris hilton bags |
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| 15:54.18 | A-KO | yeah but they're not necessities |
| 15:54.32 | A-KO | an epic mount, a flying epic mount, were all more or less "must have" items |
| 15:55.00 | zenzelezz | I didn't buy epic flying until I hit 80 |
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| 15:56.15 | kd3 | eesh |
| 15:56.32 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, I disagree |
| 15:56.34 | kd3 | bought epic flying grinding scryers to exalted right in front of black temple before 2.1 came out |
| 15:56.41 | ZorbaTHut | I think their prime method of keeping the economy in check has always been auction house fees |
| 15:56.47 | ZorbaTHut | it's the only proportional cost in the entire game |
| 15:57.07 | zenzelezz | a lot of people don't sell stuff on the AH |
| 15:57.26 | zenzelezz | I'd say it was a combination of those things |
| 15:57.31 | ZorbaTHut | doesn't matter, they either sell stuff on the ah, buy stuff off the AH, or don't factor into the economy in any meaningful fashion |
| 15:57.51 | Fisker | kd3 calm down |
| 15:57.53 | Fisker | compose yourself |
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| 16:02.42 | Lashar | is there a way to look up the quality of a item? like "do this and that IF quality == rare" or something like this? |
| 16:03.31 | jnwhiteh | !api GetItemInfo |
| 16:03.31 | lua_bot | GetItemInfo: Returns information about an item, by name, link or id (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemInfo) |
| 16:03.33 | jnwhiteh | yes =) |
| 16:09.41 | Lashar | found the problem why that just dont wanna work :x thanks =) |
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| 16:20.31 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 16:20.35 | Fisker | no nexus one yet :( |
| 16:20.41 | jnwhiteh | damn =/ |
| 16:21.06 | Fisker | i want to travel through time |
| 16:21.18 | Fisker | i found a way but it typically only works 8 hours at a time |
| 16:21.50 | zenzelezz | masturbating is not time travel, Fisker |
| 16:23.11 | Fisker | thank you for your compliment on my stamina |
| 16:23.57 | Fisker | zenzelezz's penis is like CSI |
| 16:24.00 | Fisker | Magnify and enhance |
| 16:24.01 | Fisker | hohoho |
| 16:24.16 | zenzelezz | also the source of many a one-liners |
| 16:24.40 | Fisker | i was awesome |
| 16:24.41 | Fisker | and funny |
| 17:06.27 | Antiarc | What event do I need to wait for to be sure player talent info is available? |
| 17:14.14 | Shadowed | Polling + PLAYER_LOGIN :< |
| 17:14.41 | cbreak | what do you need it for? |
| 17:14.47 | nevcairiel | i just rely on it being available on P_L |
| 17:14.51 | Vilkku | Shadowed! just the person I wanted to talk to :P |
| 17:14.55 | nevcairiel | didnt fail me yet |
| 17:14.56 | cbreak | In the one addon I need talent data, I just check if it's there when I need it |
| 17:15.03 | cbreak | if it's not, too bad, I can't wait longer |
| 17:15.05 | Shadowed | oh wait |
| 17:15.23 | Vilkku | I started to use SUF, they're awesome, a few questions |
| 17:15.25 | Shadowed | PLAYER_ALIVE |
| 17:15.42 | Shadowed | Odd, when I was testing with PLAYER_LOGIN I wasn't always getting data |
| 17:15.53 | Vilkku | mainly, the text on the empty bar, is it possible to have "Right text" and "Left text", similar to, say, the HP bar? |
| 17:16.31 | Vilkku | or do I just have to add tons of spaces? |
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| 17:20.13 | Fisker | i guess he needs it for his blessing assignment addon cbreak |
| 17:20.51 | cbreak | then it's only needed to be available when you start configuring assignments I guess |
| 17:20.59 | cbreak | no need to do it on login |
| 17:21.06 | cbreak | (login is slow enough already :) |
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| 17:21.54 | Fisker | addon should be available for selfbuffing at login i'd guess cbreak |
| 17:22.35 | cbreak | first time you press a button then? :) |
| 17:23.19 | cbreak | my addon tests talents every time I use it (because it's fast) |
| 17:23.38 | Vilkku | Shadowed dumped me D; |
| 17:23.57 | Fisker | you can be my bottombitch Vilkku |
| 17:24.39 | Vilkku | thanks |
| 17:24.40 | Vilkku | <_< |
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| 17:28.28 | Fisker | i kinda like you Vilkku |
| 17:28.48 | Vilkku | who wouldn't? |
| 17:29.19 | Fisker | Shadowed |
| 17:32.01 | Vilkku | suppose |
| 17:42.39 | Fisker | tickles Antiarc |
| 17:50.23 | Fisker | oh god i'm dying |
| 18:03.05 | foxlit | "Thorium, the Next Nuclear Fuel?" tagged: !worldofwarcraft |
| 18:03.20 | cbreak | what does that have to do with WoW? |
| 18:03.32 | foxlit | Thorium, silly. |
| 18:03.52 | cbreak | so? There's gold, line, wool too... |
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| 18:04.25 | nevcairiel | but people don't know thorium except from WoW |
| 18:04.28 | nevcairiel | so you tag it with !wow |
| 18:05.14 | cbreak | ... |
| 18:05.14 | foxlit | ! being the "not" operator |
| 18:05.25 | nevcairiel | i hope that was obvious |
| 18:05.33 | cbreak | people don't have to remember the PSE? |
| 18:05.49 | nevcairiel | I never had to completly memorize it |
| 18:06.16 | foxlit | It's just that nobody bothers with Thorium outside of wow. |
| 18:06.41 | foxlit | [Thottbot is google's 4th match.] |
| 18:07.06 | cbreak | ... where has this world come to. |
| 18:07.14 | nevcairiel | I have a german wow page on 3rd |
| 18:07.20 | nevcairiel | first is wikipedia, obviously |
| 18:09.04 | nevcairiel | that reminds me to watch the wikipedia talk from the 26c3 .. /me downloads |
| 18:09.27 | cbreak | oh, right |
| 18:09.29 | amro | 26c3? |
| 18:09.31 | cbreak | there was an other c3 |
| 18:09.41 | cbreak | goes search the vids |
| 18:10.22 | cbreak | http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 18:10.27 | nevcairiel | i even was there |
| 18:10.35 | Ancu | hello all |
| 18:10.39 | nevcairiel | but the talks where too crowded to get seats :P |
| 18:10.51 | nevcairiel | were* |
| 18:11.07 | cbreak | :/ |
| 18:11.36 | cbreak | there were some very interesting talks in 2008 |
| 18:11.53 | nevcairiel | watch the GSM talk if you want to get scared of using your phone |
| 18:11.56 | cbreak | the DNS security talk, the SSL forgery talk |
| 18:12.04 | cbreak | doesn't use cell phones |
| 18:12.15 | cbreak | I read about the GSM hacks a few months ago |
| 18:12.29 | cbreak | apparently they were well known in some insider circles since 2007 |
| 18:12.39 | nevcairiel | the ipv4 fuckups talk was fun too |
| 18:12.48 | nevcairiel | know anyone using MSN? |
| 18:12.52 | nevcairiel | go exploit them :P |
| 18:13.19 | cbreak | according to the page, the wikipedia talk will not be televised |
| 18:13.27 | cbreak | http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/wiki/Conference_Recordings |
| 18:13.33 | nevcairiel | oh right |
| 18:13.34 | nevcairiel | i remember |
| 18:13.38 | nevcairiel | the speaker was fail |
| 18:13.43 | nevcairiel | damn |
| 18:13.43 | amro | http://www.ccc.de/en/ |
| 18:14.06 | amro | am I going crazy or is that page in german? |
| 18:14.22 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 18:14.31 | cbreak | the ccc is a german hacker organisation |
| 18:14.40 | nevcairiel | maybe they dont translate news |
| 18:14.43 | foxlit | /en/ though? |
| 18:14.44 | amro | that apprently likes to put "English" links on its site that point to german pages |
| 18:15.17 | foxlit | some of the older entries are translated. |
| 18:15.38 | amro | looks like they gave up on translating |
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| 18:15.57 | cbreak | "Das Zugangserschwerungsgesetz". sounds interesting :) |
| 18:16.13 | nevcairiel | its german politics, if you're interested in that |
| 18:16.32 | amro | http://www.ccc.de/de/biometrie http://www.ccc.de/en/biometrie |
| 18:16.36 | amro | now they're just dicking around |
| 18:17.04 | amro | it's okay though, you can translate most german text to english by running it through an aggressive spellchecker |
| 18:17.11 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:17.27 | cbreak | I think switzerland will have something similar too. Or maybe we already have :( |
| 18:18.29 | nevcairiel | we're still fighting |
| 18:18.56 | cbreak | good luck :) |
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| 18:29.26 | cbreak | they should publish torrents of those movies |
| 18:29.47 | nevcairiel | i get full bandwidth from the http mirrors, what torrents give me? |
| 18:30.12 | cbreak | less cost to them |
| 18:30.24 | nevcairiel | like they care |
| 18:30.26 | cbreak | more plausible deniability to me :) |
| 18:30.41 | cbreak | (it was a linux iso! I mean, a hacker movie!) |
| 18:31.15 | nevcairiel | You worry about watching those streams? |
| 18:31.21 | nevcairiel | what should i say, i was there :P |
| 18:31.48 | cbreak | only 220kb download :/ |
| 18:32.01 | cbreak | dangerous! |
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| 19:34.44 | DJJeff | do any of the Addon Authors in here work for curse client or curse dev? |
| 19:36.56 | amro | DJJeff: yep, poke ckknight or Kaelten |
| 19:37.15 | ckknight | waves at DJJeff |
| 19:37.24 | DJJeff | you do eh? |
| 19:37.26 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmm |
| 19:37.26 | ckknight | y helo thar |
| 19:37.34 | DJJeff | any chance can get.... |
| 19:37.34 | DJJeff | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9828-CoolLevelUp.html |
| 19:37.38 | DJJeff | added to curse |
| 19:37.52 | ckknight | easiest way: convince the author to post on curse |
| 19:37.53 | DJJeff | I support curse I am a premium member |
| 19:38.06 | DJJeff | and I got to beta Curse Client :) |
| 19:38.22 | ckknight | wowinterface is slow... |
| 19:38.26 | DJJeff | I posted............ |
| 19:38.27 | DJJeff | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=9828#comments |
| 19:39.23 | ckknight | oh, you're Canadian? |
| 19:39.28 | DJJeff | yes sir I am |
| 19:39.29 | ckknight | well then no thank you, sir. |
| 19:39.36 | ckknight | good day, sir. |
| 19:39.40 | DJJeff | ?huh? |
| 19:39.41 | DJJeff | lol |
| 19:39.41 | ckknight | I do believe I said good day. |
| 19:39.44 | ckknight | :P |
| 19:39.46 | DJJeff | hahahahahahaa |
| 19:39.54 | DJJeff | are you offended by us canucks |
| 19:40.02 | DJJeff | by any chance |
| 19:40.15 | ckknight | I used to be Canadian |
| 19:40.15 | ckknight | then I learned the error of my ways |
| 19:40.25 | DJJeff | how did you leave us? |
| 19:40.36 | DJJeff | immagrated south? |
| 19:40.56 | DJJeff | we are a peace keeping country |
| 19:41.08 | ckknight | yea, moved to US when I was 4 |
| 19:41.14 | DJJeff | darn |
| 19:41.15 | DJJeff | X_X |
| 19:41.24 | DJJeff | where to? |
| 19:41.29 | sag_ich_nicht | ... |
| 19:41.30 | sag_ich_nicht | okay |
| 19:41.35 | ckknight | DJJeff: Hawaii |
| 19:41.37 | sag_ich_nicht | since ckknight is being a troll |
| 19:41.39 | DJJeff | what large state did you end up in |
| 19:41.42 | ckknight | I'm in Alabama now |
| 19:41.45 | DJJeff | oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 19:41.52 | DJJeff | I have been to Maui |
| 19:41.59 | DJJeff | I love the food |
| 19:42.01 | DJJeff | and dance |
| 19:42.08 | ckknight | DJJeff: btw, you should rephrase your question to instead of saying "curse client", say "Curse.com" |
| 19:42.09 | sag_ich_nicht | DJJeff: if you want it hosted at curse, you have to be the addon author and put it on curseforge :P |
| 19:42.11 | ckknight | or something |
| 19:42.37 | DJJeff | isn't all addons open source? |
| 19:42.51 | amro | DJJeff: in the sense that the source is available, yes |
| 19:42.56 | amro | but you aren't always free to do whatever with it |
| 19:43.03 | DJJeff | true |
| 19:43.04 | sag_ich_nicht | DJJeff: open source yes, but that doesn't mean they are all licensed under a BSD license. |
| 19:43.10 | ckknight | not open source |
| 19:43.20 | ckknight | they're "view source" |
| 19:43.21 | DJJeff | the author has an addon on curse |
| 19:43.22 | nevcairiel | the term "open source" doesnt usually just mean "source is available" |
| 19:43.31 | nevcairiel | it also implies a open source license |
| 19:43.34 | sag_ich_nicht | DJJeff: contact the author |
| 19:43.40 | sag_ich_nicht | there is nothing anyone here can do |
| 19:43.48 | amro | except troll some more |
| 19:44.11 | DJJeff | DiamondThreatMeter is also available on Curse, my username there is MrCool. |
| 19:44.11 | DJJeff | http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/11838/ |
| 19:44.19 | DJJeff | is a direct quote from the author |
| 19:44.23 | sag_ich_nicht | DJJeff still |
| 19:44.24 | nevcairiel | doesnt matter if he has one |
| 19:44.28 | sag_ich_nicht | we can't do anything. |
| 19:44.30 | nevcairiel | he has to upload it |
| 19:44.31 | sag_ich_nicht | contact the author. |
| 19:44.32 | nevcairiel | not anyone else |
| 19:44.42 | DJJeff | is "MrCool" in here? |
| 19:44.52 | nevcairiel | wasnt MrCool a bot? |
| 19:44.54 | nevcairiel | ~seen mrcool |
| 19:44.56 | purl | mrcool <n=user1@85.65.12.156.dynamic.barak-online.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 649d 18h 8m 43s ago, saying: 'any idea of Fax Server on linux (I want to use window has client)'. |
| 19:45.02 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 19:45.05 | ckknight | okay, in order to syndicate it to curse, he needs to at least have a user on curse. |
| 19:45.08 | sag_ich_nicht | that's most likely not him. |
| 19:45.09 | amro | looks like he's too cool for #wowuidev |
| 19:45.15 | ckknight | Mrcoolmods does not exist on curse, so I'm at a bind |
| 19:45.56 | DJJeff | http://wow.curse.com/members/MrCool.aspx |
| 19:46.10 | DJJeff | Member Since: 3/24/2008 |
| 19:46.38 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmmmm |
| 19:46.42 | ckknight | is he the same dude? |
| 19:46.44 | DJJeff | was added then removed? |
| 19:46.49 | sag_ich_nicht | DJJeff just PM him on wow interface and curse |
| 19:46.50 | sag_ich_nicht | *sigh* |
| 19:47.01 | DJJeff | lol... sigh |
| 19:47.08 | DJJeff | MrCool commented on MrCool's file, CoolLevelUp. |
| 19:47.13 | DJJeff | hahahahaha |
| 19:47.13 | ckknight | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/project-7472/ |
| 19:47.32 | ckknight | yea, it's abandoned |
| 19:47.37 | sag_ich_nicht | alternatively, use mmoui minion |
| 19:47.37 | DJJeff | darn |
| 19:47.38 | ckknight | from 3.1.0 |
| 19:47.53 | DJJeff | this addon works in 3.3 WoW |
| 19:47.56 | DJJeff | I use it |
| 19:48.06 | sag_ich_nicht | which reminds me, will we ever see a curse addin for mmoui minion? >:P |
| 19:48.18 | ckknight | extremely unlikely |
| 19:48.40 | ckknight | Minion's technology is pretty primitive in comparison, would be both hard to backport and may pose security risks |
| 19:48.56 | ckknight | ultimately, it doesn't have enough of a market base to be worth supporting in its current state |
| 19:49.20 | ckknight | the focus has instead been to make Curse Client v4 the best possible solution |
| 19:49.42 | sag_ich_nicht | *sigh* okay, then let me reverse the question: will you ever provide an addin interface for the curse client? |
| 19:50.43 | ckknight | we provide a way to syndicate wowi mods to curse |
| 19:50.53 | sag_ich_nicht | o okay. |
| 19:50.55 | ckknight | take Lightheaded for example |
| 19:51.01 | ckknight | we can't have it on curse |
| 19:51.14 | ckknight | it uses wowhead data and jnwhiteh said no, fully within his right. |
| 19:51.38 | ckknight | but we check wowinterface every so often to see if it's been updated |
| 19:51.43 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 19:51.44 | jnwhiteh | its not ideal |
| 19:51.44 | ckknight | if so, the user of the curse client will be informed |
| 19:51.47 | jnwhiteh | but its what I do at the moment. |
| 19:51.53 | ckknight | and they can open the webpage and install it themselves |
| 19:51.55 | jnwhiteh | and its for more than just the fact that it uses wowhead =) |
| 19:51.58 | ckknight | yea, yea |
| 19:52.05 | ckknight | in any event, it's your prerogative, jnwhiteh |
| 19:52.06 | jnwhiteh | you know that, just telling him =) |
| 19:52.08 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 19:52.15 | ckknight | we direct the user to wowinterface |
| 19:52.18 | jnwhiteh | I'd shoot myself trying to support the additional user base |
| 19:52.35 | ckknight | don't do anything automatic outside of informing the user that there's a new version |
| 19:52.56 | sag_ich_nicht | *sigh* works for me |
| 19:53.24 | sag_ich_nicht | I bet when I install the latest version of client v4 it still has an issue with security audit failures in the event log :| |
| 19:55.22 | DJJeff | is there an addon that....... when an enemy target dies or looses focus from being to far away.... targets the next enemy? I find pressing tab all the time annoying |
| 19:55.26 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know how many healers is an average number for totc25? |
| 19:55.33 | sag_ich_nicht | DJJeff: you can't do that. |
| 19:55.38 | DJJeff | darn |
| 19:55.38 | sag_ich_nicht | so there is no addon for it. |
| 19:56.28 | sag_ich_nicht | ZorbaTHut: just to be technical, you don't want the average number, you want the median :P |
| 19:56.55 | ZorbaTHut | what I want is vague enough that anything generally referred to as an "average" will be perfectly acceptable :P |
| 19:58.09 | DJJeff | is Deadly Boss Mods the addon that puts your whispers in AFK mode? |
| 19:58.25 | DJJeff | away from keyboard/busy |
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| 19:59.05 | DJJeff | nvm.... yes it is |
| 19:59.20 | DJJeff | just saw the description :) |
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| 20:06.46 | Amarande | ahahahah http://forthebubbles.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/another-friday-flowchart-from-pix.jpg |
| 20:09.50 | DJJeff | wow titan panel [Carbonite] got updated on 12/20/2009.... funny thing todo for an addon that has reached end of life |
| 20:10.09 | Arrowmaster | which has? |
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| 20:10.37 | DJJeff | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/titan-panel-carbonite.aspx |
| 20:10.52 | DJJeff | Files Updated: Mon, Dec 21 2009 |
| 20:11.40 | sag_ich_nicht | >titan panel |
| 20:11.41 | sag_ich_nicht | oh you. |
| 20:11.54 | sag_ich_nicht | also lol Amarande |
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| 20:14.04 | Amarande | I wonder if people actually do bail from oculus that often |
| 20:14.30 | nevcairiel | they do |
| 20:14.40 | DJJeff | they do |
| 20:14.43 | DJJeff | mostly tanks |
| 20:14.44 | nevcairiel | if you go into occulus and you dont see anyone leave .. thats special |
| 20:14.59 | zenzelezz | so, someone's doing a Temple of Ahn'Qiraj achievement run. But they'll use master loot to gear up some 60s. Peculiar arrangement |
| 20:15.01 | DJJeff | out of the 25 groups I went into the occulus |
| 20:15.05 | DJJeff | only 1 stayed |
| 20:15.08 | DJJeff | the whole way |
| 20:15.32 | DJJeff | my main is finally 77 and a 1/2 |
| 20:15.34 | DJJeff | :) |
| 20:15.50 | DJJeff | I wanna do the sons of hodir rep |
| 20:15.55 | DJJeff | for that mammoth mount |
| 20:16.00 | DJJeff | that can take riders |
| 20:16.06 | DJJeff | it looooooooooooooooooooks sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet |
| 20:16.16 | Amarande | already has such a mount |
| 20:16.19 | Amarande | I got it from VoA |
| 20:16.27 | DJJeff | whats VoA? |
| 20:16.32 | Amarande | vault of archavon |
| 20:16.34 | DJJeff | and what is the min level to enter |
| 20:16.36 | DJJeff | 80? |
| 20:16.37 | Amarande | 80, it's a raid |
| 20:16.46 | amro | zenzelezz: yeah better put it on ML or those 80s will ninja everything |
| 20:16.48 | DJJeff | I should wowwiki that one |
| 20:16.58 | Amarande | and you can only do it when your side has WG, which is why it's PUGged most of the time |
| 20:18.12 | Amarande | I really cleaned up my first VoA run ... got a 245 *and* the mount from koralon, and a 213 from archavon |
| 20:18.28 | Amarande | Won the roll on the mount ... as for the other loot, I was the only one of my class in the raid, so there was no choice |
| 20:18.32 | Arrowmaster | only mammoth that can take riders isnt from any rep or drop |
| 20:18.46 | Amarande | Arrow: the grand black war mammoth from voa can |
| 20:18.53 | DJJeff | [Sea Turtle] is easy to get? |
| 20:19.14 | Arrowmaster | well that one is pretty rare so you really plan to get it |
| 20:19.19 | Amarande | rare? |
| 20:19.22 | Amarande | the first time I went to voa |
| 20:19.28 | Amarande | it dropped from both koralon and emalon |
| 20:19.31 | Arrowmaster | cant plan to get it |
| 20:19.39 | Arrowmaster | its supposed to be rare |
| 20:19.44 | Arrowmaster | have you seen it since? |
| 20:19.51 | Amarande | I've only been to VoA once since |
| 20:20.01 | Amarande | we keep not having WG when I'm on my lock |
| 20:20.02 | DJJeff | http://www.wowwiki.com/Reins_of_the_Grand_Ice_Mammoth |
| 20:20.51 | DJJeff | "This mount allows for two passengers, much like the Traveler's Tundra mammoth. It does not, however, have the two vendors with it." |
| 20:21.52 | DJJeff | http://www.wowwiki.com/Reins_of_the_Traveler%27s_Tundra_Mammoth_(Horde) |
| 20:21.59 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 20k gold |
| 20:22.02 | DJJeff | from dalaran |
| 20:23.30 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:23.35 | Amarande | isn't it 16k with exalted kirin tor? |
| 20:23.44 | DJJeff | yep |
| 20:23.47 | DJJeff | read the link |
| 20:23.50 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: no need i figured it out :P |
| 20:23.57 | DJJeff | thats a $100 mount |
| 20:24.11 | DJJeff | if you buy 20k gold from dgamesky |
| 20:24.17 | DJJeff | thats $100 US |
| 20:24.38 | DJJeff | how long to farm that much gold at level 80? |
| 20:24.49 | nevcairiel | $100 for 20k? thats way too expensive |
| 20:25.29 | DJJeff | dgamesky is pathetic I paid for 5000 gold they only gave me like 3900 |
| 20:25.41 | DJJeff | and I risk loosing my account |
| 20:25.42 | nevcairiel | ew you paid for gold |
| 20:25.51 | DJJeff | because of the auction house |
| 20:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah it should be noted that discussion of such things are not generally permitted here |
| 20:26.15 | Amarande | shouldn't have bought gold tsk tsk |
| 20:26.16 | ScytheBlade1 | at least in that detail |
| 20:26.18 | Amarande | and besides |
| 20:26.25 | Amarande | you actually TRUSTED such an establishment? |
| 20:26.27 | Amarande | omg. |
| 20:26.44 | DJJeff | I see kids with like 6 level 80's and all these fancy mounts |
| 20:26.57 | Amarande | yeeeeess, because foreign businesses that specialize in things that are a breach of your contract with blizzard are really something you should trust ... LOL |
| 20:27.01 | DJJeff | does Thourium Brotherhood fail? or do they have no life |
| 20:27.01 | nevcairiel | its cheaper to hire a kid to play for you :P |
| 20:27.10 | zenzelezz | sadly, I have friends who have repeatedly bought gold (pre-WotLK). They never had trouble with it though |
| 20:27.20 | nevcairiel | they usually dont ban the buyers |
| 20:27.43 | DJJeff | I hear stories of people getting banned |
| 20:27.51 | Amarande | still, nev, trusting such an establishment seems to be a YDI |
| 20:27.51 | DJJeff | buyers of gold |
| 20:28.19 | DJJeff | face to face trades over auction house is smart |
| 20:28.29 | DJJeff | blizzard probley watchs the AH |
| 20:28.36 | ScytheBlade1 | they do |
| 20:28.37 | zenzelezz | blinks |
| 20:28.43 | zenzelezz | "face to face over auction house"? |
| 20:28.45 | ScytheBlade1 | they watch face to face trades as well |
| 20:28.58 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: "as compared to" vs "over" |
| 20:29.03 | zenzelezz | oh, hehe |
| 20:29.31 | ZorbaTHut | there's just no reason to buy gold directly online |
| 20:29.46 | ZorbaTHut | blizzard now has perfectly allowed ways to turn real money into gold by stopping off on ebay and getting a CCG card |
| 20:29.54 | ZorbaTHut | you should just do that instead :P |
| 20:30.08 | sag_ich_nicht | CCG card? |
| 20:30.12 | Arrowmaster | TCG? |
| 20:30.18 | sag_ich_nicht | ah. |
| 20:30.20 | sag_ich_nicht | yes. |
| 20:30.20 | ZorbaTHut | collectible card game |
| 20:30.28 | ZorbaTHut | buy mount, redeem mount, sell mount on auction house |
| 20:30.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah its TCG |
| 20:31.35 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: get me a nexus one |
| 20:31.36 | Amarande | what*ever* Arrow |
| 20:31.44 | Amarande | that's like arguing "dungeon finder" vs. "looking for dungeon" |
| 20:31.45 | sag_ich_nicht | oh wait |
| 20:31.49 | Amarande | semantics, guys, semantics ... :| |
| 20:31.53 | sag_ich_nicht | when's the nexus one coming out |
| 20:31.54 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 20:32.00 | Arrowmaster | sag_ich_nicht: 5th |
| 20:32.05 | Amarande | just say "the stupidly expensive loot card" |
| 20:32.06 | Amarande | heh |
| 20:32.08 | sag_ich_nicht | they better sell it to europe |
| 20:32.16 | sag_ich_nicht | (and by they I mean google) |
| 20:32.18 | Arrowmaster | wowTCG.com |
| 20:32.22 | Arrowmaster | its TCG |
| 20:32.25 | Arrowmaster | officially |
| 20:35.20 | Shadowed | I have never heard someone said CCG :p |
| 20:35.30 | Shadowed | TCG is definitely the common/official one |
| 20:35.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I have, several times, right here |
| 20:35.41 | Shadowed | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:35.41 | purl | eats ScytheBlade1's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 20:37.01 | Adys | "How about an Australian-language version? 'Your program just attempted an illegal instruction. No worries, mate.'" |
| 20:37.17 | ZorbaTHut | CCG is the term for the type of game. It would be like if WoW decided to call itself an "online extravaganza of joy" |
| 20:37.20 | ZorbaTHut | it would still be an MMORPG |
| 20:37.36 | ZorbaTHut | I don't care what they feel like branding their CCG, in terms of raw terminology, it's a CCG. :P |
| 20:37.38 | Amarande | in this case though, "the stupidly expensive loot card" is probably the right idea |
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| 20:38.02 | Amarande | you can get a new PC for what half of those things cost ... |
| 20:38.08 | ZorbaTHut | what's the loot card they're releasing, anyway? I haven't seen announcements |
| 20:39.12 | Arrowmaster | also purchasing them just to sell in game will probabaly be a way worse investment than buying gold (minus the tos breach and possible loss of account parts) |
| 20:39.42 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, I dunno, there's a lot of people who have a ton of gold that they make for fun and no real interest in forking over real-life money |
| 20:39.56 | ZorbaTHut | but would still gladly purchase an ingame mount with gold |
| 20:40.26 | cbreak | like the tournament mounts? |
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| 20:40.40 | cbreak | I think I have around 80 mounts on my main, all bought with hard, in-game gold |
| 20:40.47 | ZorbaTHut | like the tournament pets, afaik you can't purchase the tournament mounts with gold |
| 20:41.00 | cbreak | you can, 5 marks +500gold |
| 20:41.04 | cbreak | or so |
| 20:41.10 | ZorbaTHut | oh, yes, those, there's also a series you can't |
| 20:41.11 | cbreak | some cost marks only |
| 20:41.19 | ZorbaTHut | I don't really count those because that's not a gigantic amount of gold |
| 20:41.30 | cbreak | there's the vendor mamooth |
| 20:41.31 | ZorbaTHut | I'm really talking about stuff like the spectral tiger |
| 20:41.37 | cbreak | and the engineering bike |
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| 20:41.42 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's a chunk, but not huge either |
| 20:41.54 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, if I had 100k (which I don't right now) I'd cheerfully fork it over for the spectral tiger |
| 20:42.17 | cbreak | I hate spending gold |
| 20:42.37 | cbreak | spending 100k? Unimaginable |
| 20:43.31 | Shadowed | Spectral tiger is worth far more than 100k |
| 20:43.54 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I don't feel like sitting down and trying to math it out right now |
| 20:44.01 | ZorbaTHut | especially since I've only got 20k onhand so the point is rather moot |
| 20:45.00 | Arrowmaster | if its far more than 100k then it must be worth 214748k |
| 20:45.02 | Arrowmaster | er |
| 20:45.05 | Arrowmaster | 214748g |
| 20:45.26 | Amarande | 100k+20 primordial saronite? :) |
| 20:45.29 | Shadowed | Actually checking a gold site, it's worth around 100k |
| 20:45.34 | Amarande | ahh, the days of guild wars when stuff was "100k+ectos" |
| 20:45.40 | Shadowed | $800, and it's about $80/10000 |
| 20:45.46 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, guess I guessed about right then :) |
| 20:46.00 | ZorbaTHut | I guess that means I could actually buy the chicken if someone were to sell it |
| 20:46.02 | Arrowmaster | no way can you get one for $800 |
| 20:46.02 | Shadowed | Someone was selling one for 200k, and I assume they sold it |
| 20:46.14 | Shadowed | http://cgi.ebay.com/Unscratched-Spectral-Tiger-Mount-Loot-Card-IN-HAND_W0QQitemZ110474621179QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b8ccf0fb |
| 20:46.35 | ZorbaTHut | so if anyone wants a pile of gold on shattered halls, go sell me a chicken mount |
| 20:47.04 | Shadowed | You could probably get a better return buying UDE cards and selling them on the AH than buying gold |
| 20:47.12 | Shadowed | which is kind of interesting |
| 20:48.20 | Amarande | still, if you're that addicted that you need to spend real money on game money |
| 20:48.22 | Amarande | you need help :) |
| 20:48.47 | Shadowed | Eh that gets into the whole debate :p |
| 20:48.58 | Shadowed | some people would rather spend some money to get gold and play the game than spend time earning it |
| 20:49.03 | Amarande | and if you're that lazy that you're willing to spend real money on game money when game money is so easy to get ... then you just deserve to go broke |
| 20:49.17 | NightHawkTheSane | and some people have the disposable income that it doesn't make a lick of difference |
| 20:49.19 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I spent real money on game money in Eve Online just 'cause I wanted some spaceships to pewpew with |
| 20:49.30 | ZorbaTHut | and I mean I had a job at Google so who the hell cared about $50 |
| 20:49.41 | NightHawkTheSane | so really, you can't actually judge anything just because someone spent "real" money on a game. we all spend real money on the game. |
| 20:49.48 | Shadowed | that too |
| 20:49.54 | ZorbaTHut | at some point your real-life time is more valuable than a few bucks |
| 20:49.56 | Shadowed | I wouldn't buy gold personally, but that's because I can make it easy |
| 20:49.58 | Shadowed | s/easy/easily/ |
| 20:50.33 | Amarande | Night: well, yeah, there's rich people who play wow :) |
| 20:51.07 | Amarande | and people with a fair amount of disposable |
| 20:51.20 | Amarande | myself, though, there's plenty of small bits of data I could waste my money on if I wanted to |
| 20:51.22 | Amarande | like fonts |
| 20:51.22 | Amarande | heh |
| 20:51.46 | TheDude22 | hehehe theres no return on UDE cards |
| 20:51.49 | TheDude22 | trust me ;) |
| 20:52.12 | Amarande | heh, I'm glad we don't sell UDE cards |
| 20:52.14 | Amarande | I can imagine if we did |
| 20:52.19 | Amarande | <Customer> Hi, I'd like to return this |
| 20:52.23 | TheDude22 | even buying a $90 box of cards, and scoring the rarest drop (1:8 boxes) will get you like.... $80 |
| 20:52.25 | Amarande | <Me> Was there anything wrong with it? |
| 20:52.30 | Shadowed | TheDude22: I meant buying the actual card |
| 20:52.36 | Amarande | <Customer> I didn't get as much gold as I expected for it |
| 20:52.48 | Amarande | <Me> I'm sorry, I won't be able to take a return on that price item ... |
| 20:52.51 | Shadowed | Pay $800 for a spectral tiger, as long as you sell it for over 100,000 you basically get a better conversion rate than you would from buying gold |
| 20:52.52 | Amarande | <Customer> I WANT TO SEE YOUR MANAGER |
| 20:52.58 | Shadowed | I think you get the 60% and 100% version too now? |
| 20:53.07 | TheDude22 | oh! for converting USD to gold? probably could yeah |
| 20:53.09 | Shadowed | yea |
| 20:53.12 | Amarande | and then the manager would probably chew the living shit out of me heh |
| 20:53.18 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, yeah, I believe you get two mounts from the one card now |
| 20:53.25 | Shadowed | So you basically get an absurd return |
| 20:53.37 | Shadowed | Granted that implies you want to spend $800 in the first place, but still |
| 20:53.37 | Arrowmaster | didnt you used to get unlimited when they were BoP |
| 20:53.43 | TheDude22 | doubly so if you can sell the soulbound codes to guildies or someone who would trust buying a code |
| 20:53.54 | Shadowed | You don't need to, the items are BOE |
| 20:53.56 | TheDude22 | onyl the super-super-stupid rare ones are tradeable |
| 20:54.00 | Shadowed | oh? |
| 20:54.06 | TheDude22 | just the mounts |
| 20:54.09 | Shadowed | That probably explains why I don't see more of them on the AH |
| 20:54.16 | TheDude22 | any pet/consumable/accessory/etc isnt |
| 20:54.19 | Arrowmaster | yeah and they only did it because of all the scamming |
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| 20:55.29 | Arrowmaster | you used to be able to purchase unlimited pet biscuts i think (seen screenshot of vendor window with them on the npc) but then they changed it to only 50 from a card |
| 20:55.29 | Shadowed | Would be nice if they made it all BOE, but I doubt they will |
| 20:55.48 | TheDude22 | it would, but yeah |
| 20:55.56 | TheDude22 | id settle for BoA :P |
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| 21:34.01 | Adys | "Looking at http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/december/screens/desolace.jpg id say about hundred years passed between WotLK and the Cataclysm..." |
| 21:34.15 | Adys | hello my name is random smartass i dont read lore but i comment about it |
| 21:35.18 | Amarande | that's desolace? |
| 21:35.27 | DWSR | yes. |
| 21:35.32 | DWSR | Desolace isn't so desolate. |
| 21:36.06 | Amarande | for a bit I was like wait a minute is this stv heh |
| 21:36.40 | Amarande | any new news on cata's release date? |
| 21:36.51 | EthanCentaurai | Q2 2010 |
| 21:36.57 | EthanCentaurai | I believe |
| 21:37.02 | DWSR | Won't be that soon. |
| 21:37.08 | Arrowmaster | where did you hear that? |
| 21:37.08 | DWSR | I'm predicting Q3. |
| 21:37.35 | Fisker | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:37.36 | Fisker | slaps Arrowmaster around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:39.34 | DWSR | So, Avatar. |
| 21:39.38 | DWSR | WAS FUCKING AWESOME. |
| 21:39.40 | DWSR | Discuss. |
| 21:39.42 | Fisker | NO |
| 21:39.57 | Amarande | some folks are predicting Q4 too |
| 21:40.04 | Amarande | that they'll wait till the christmas market spike |
| 21:40.16 | DWSR | Amarande: I'm still thinking Q3. |
| 21:40.22 | Amarande | (*cough* not to mention for expected US economic recovery) |
| 21:40.28 | DWSR | Mostly because that matches up to an approximately 6 month delay in content. |
| 21:40.40 | kdtresh | i wouldn't be at all surprised to see it push into 2011 |
| 21:40.41 | DWSR | Which would make sense. It was about 6 months after Sunwell for WotLK, yeah? |
| 21:41.13 | DWSR | I doubt that, but it wouldn't suprise me either. |
| 21:41.37 | kdtresh | i think they were targeting a november release for bc, and when did it drop? jan? |
| 21:47.07 | DJJeff | @ckknight: curious why in Curse.com Curse Client.... that Leveling is mixed in with "Quests and Leveling" |
| 21:47.18 | ckknight | because grinding is lame |
| 21:47.40 | Arrowmaster | this isnt twitter |
| 21:47.42 | DJJeff | I dunno..... would be nice to seperate them... like have a section that addons like "coollevelup" would be in |
| 21:48.07 | DJJeff | neet addons that change what happens at every ding |
| 21:48.12 | DJJeff | like cool soundfx |
| 21:48.16 | DJJeff | cool bgm's |
| 21:48.25 | DJJeff | annouce to your guild when you ding |
| 21:48.27 | DJJeff | etc |
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| 21:48.35 | Arrowmaster | thats for the '100% fucking useless and a waste of space' section |
| 21:49.12 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 21:49.17 | DJJeff | me personaly would pay top $$$$ to see more development in these types of addons |
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| 21:50.21 | DJJeff | Super Mario World of Warcraft has great soundfx for Achievements.... dont like the level up BGM though |
| 21:50.33 | Arrowmaster | waste of space |
| 21:50.44 | DJJeff | this is your personal opionion |
| 21:50.48 | DJJeff | *sigh* |
| 21:50.57 | DJJeff | which you are entitled too |
| 21:51.03 | Arrowmaster | and most likely illegal copyright infringement if it has any BGMs |
| 21:51.18 | DJJeff | meh...... so is alot of things |
| 21:51.36 | DJJeff | torrenting is copyright... blah blah blah |
| 21:51.48 | DJJeff | downloading mp3s/avis is |
| 21:51.51 | DJJeff | oh well |
| 21:52.19 | Arrowmaster | yes and we dont pay money for those |
| 21:52.26 | DJJeff | exactly? |
| 21:52.28 | DJJeff | lol |
| 21:53.03 | Arrowmaster | or put them on sites that explictly say no copyright infringement |
| 21:53.05 | DJJeff | I like Multishot (Screenshot) ...... it takes a shot every level up |
| 21:53.08 | DJJeff | which is nice |
| 21:55.29 | Amarande | wish I'd had that in the past |
| 21:55.40 | Amarande | especially to keep those precious shots where dinging at the right time saved me from a corpse run |
| 21:58.58 | cogwheel | beep beep ima jeep |
| 21:59.57 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:59.57 | Fisker | oh nos |
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| 22:13.50 | DJJeff | hahahahaha I replaced the lame super mario brothers 1 up sound fx with massive cheering |
| 22:13.52 | DJJeff | I love it now |
| 22:13.54 | DJJeff | yaaaaaaay |
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| 22:30.45 | Vilkku | hmm, guys |
| 22:30.55 | Vilkku | since Mal'Ganis is not a boss in ICC |
| 22:31.02 | Vilkku | what is his role? |
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| 22:33.55 | Amarande | a boss in CoS? :) |
| 22:34.57 | ScytheBlade1 | so I just took my laptop in to get it repaired |
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| 22:35.18 | zenzelezz | hm, just rewatched Godzilla, where the left-over egg hatches at the end... did they ever make a sequel? |
| 22:35.19 | ScytheBlade1 | (whenever I plug it in, the CPU throttles WAY back, in the 200MHz range - 800MHz minimum is the spec, and things start crashing) |
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| 22:35.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Standing there next to a demo laptop, talking to the repair guy there, his demo laptop BSODs |
| 22:35.33 | amro | zenzelezz: there's about a billion godzilla sequels |
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| 22:35.46 | amro | zenzelezz: most only released in japan though |
| 22:35.55 | zenzelezz | amro: I meant to the 1998 US version |
| 22:35.58 | FrozenFear | What would a macro look like the randomly chooses to say "X" or "Y"? |
| 22:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I tell him, he turns it around, gets red in the face and takes it back to the repair bench, comes back to me, grabs another demo laptop and starts filling out my repair order |
| 22:36.19 | ScytheBlade1 | half way through that, THAT demo laptop pisses itself and dies |
| 22:36.19 | ScytheBlade1 | loses all power |
| 22:36.24 | Dagmar | FrozenFear: It would look like a bunch of text with some punctuation in it |
| 22:36.26 | amro | zenzelezz: dunno, didn't watch that one |
| 22:36.47 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: you must be detrimental to electronic hardware |
| 22:36.54 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: So where did you wind up taking your laptop to? |
| 22:37.08 | ScytheBlade1 | chuckles |
| 22:37.08 | FrozenFear | Dagmar, true. Could you be more specific? ;) |
| 22:37.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It was an amusing 10 minutes of my life |
| 22:37.21 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: that was exactly what he said too |
| 22:37.25 | Fisker | my cat is like "zzz" ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:37.31 | Dagmar | FrozenFear: No, because I'm not in the habit of writing code on demand for people, and I'm not an idiot. |
| 22:38.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: I should bake your cat, and then discard it |
| 22:38.15 | amro | ScytheBlade1: it's actually the laptop that had a contagious defect |
| 22:38.15 | amro | I'd keep it away from other hardware |
| 22:38.15 | ScytheBlade1 | srs |
| 22:38.36 | Dagmar | FrozenFear: There are full-fledged addons for this. One is called SEgui which is a bit more than just a text randomizer, but it'll do that |
| 22:38.49 | cogwheel | Fisker: only a ginger can call another ginger ginger |
| 22:39.18 | FrozenFear | Hmm... |
| 22:39.23 | Dagmar | FrozenFear: I *strongly* suggest that if you tie anything to abilities you use in a group, you make the chances of it happening very, very low. Like 2% |
| 22:39.53 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1HXmYkxwSE |
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| 22:40.32 | cogwheel | Hipeppeppy |
| 22:40.35 | Amarande | Heya Lopeppeppy :) |
| 22:40.42 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, guys! |
| 22:41.06 | Lopeppeppy | I went to see Sherlock Holmes, there is much of pretty in that movie. Not much that's true to lore, but much of very pretty! |
| 22:41.19 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: did i ever link this to you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1HXmYkxwSE |
| 22:42.32 | FrozenFear | Dagmar, It's nothing like that. It's as simple as, when I cast Ritual of Refreshment (with a /cast macro) I want the macro to say something, if not funny, but semi-funny, like, "Help me to call forth the mighy manasturdels! They will grant us VICTORY!" or "Join the alliance! We have... STURDELS!". But since I have two alternatives, I would like to randomize the macro, so it is different every time |
| 22:43.40 | Dagmar | Dude. |
| 22:43.47 | Dagmar | SEgui is *exactly* what you need then. |
| 22:43.51 | FrozenFear | xD |
| 22:44.41 | Lopeppeppy | No cog, I don't think so. *ponderful listenings* |
| 22:44.45 | Dagmar | You can set up as many text things as you want for an ability... they only happen when the ability actually works, and you can assign each a roll range between 1 and 1000, so like 1 to 100 would happen 10% of the time, 101 to 200 would happen 10% of the time, etc etc |
| 22:44.47 | FrozenFear | Then thank you very much, for foreseeing my needs before I know I have them. |
| 22:45.21 | Dagmar | It helps when one asks about exactly what one wants to happen instead of trying to describe it in the generic |
| 22:45.28 | Dagmar | No problem |
| 22:45.36 | amro | Dagmar is swedish for Oracle |
| 22:45.52 | Dagmar | It's also the family name of a line of royalty in Denmark from about 1111 |
| 22:46.00 | Dagmar | I've been using the 'nym for a looong time |
| 22:46.42 | Dagmar | Looks like Earth Eternal is a kiddie WoW |
| 22:46.52 | Dagmar | Kinda smells like the same engine FreeRealms uses |
| 22:47.13 | amro | a kiddie WoW? but WoW is full of kids already |
| 22:47.19 | amro | kindergarten MMO? |
| 22:47.20 | Dagmar | Yeah which is a bit sad |
| 22:47.34 | Dagmar | I'm thinking more like the 9-13 age range |
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| 22:49.41 | Dagmar | FreeRealms is probably more suited to the _really_ young 'uns |
| 22:55.15 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/z/3518/nagrand/#tab=quest_zone |
| 22:55.17 | Adys | Maps are un |
| 22:55.19 | Adys | up* |
| 22:56.14 | Amarande | a kiddie WoW? |
| 22:56.17 | Amarande | but WoW is easy enough as it is |
| 22:56.56 | Dagmar | Stats on gear and talents become non-trivially complex rather quickly |
| 22:57.16 | Dagmar | This is slightly less complex, and all the characters are basically a few millimeters shy of being chibi |
| 22:57.41 | Fisker | man what a stupid ending in Surrogates |
| 22:57.58 | Dagmar | It's hard sci-fi, not popcorn-muncher fare |
| 22:58.01 | amro | Adys: why doesn't criteria of show the exploration ach? |
| 22:58.26 | Adys | good question |
| 22:58.41 | Adys | I think because its the subzones that are criteria |
| 22:58.44 | Adys | and not the zone itself |
| 22:58.53 | Adys | ill fix it, arent you supposed to be asleep? |
| 22:59.16 | amro | #kdevelop keeping me awake |
| 23:00.41 | amro | http://dragonscript.homestead.com/ (warning: don't click if you don't want to be sent back to 1995) |
| 23:00.56 | Adys | I AM FOUR YEAR OOOOLLLLLDDDDD |
| 23:01.14 | Fisker | no! |
| 23:02.43 | haste | amro: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell it's obviously a case of this |
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| 23:06.40 | amro | haste: you made my day |
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| 23:10.07 | cbreak | Users are dumb. |
| 23:10.11 | cbreak | Seems clients are users. |
| 23:10.15 | Adys | u mommas dum |
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| 23:22.24 | cbreak | the cat/proc/sys/net/ipv4/fuckups presentation was quire cool |
| 23:26.10 | Dagmar | Is that a new interface to that?? |
| 23:27.35 | cbreak | http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3596.en.html |
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| 23:43.27 | Cairenn | okay, Avatar fucking ROCKED! If you haven't seen it yet, GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND GO SEE IT! |
| 23:43.58 | mikma | ok, of course then |
| 23:44.03 | Cairenn | :) |
| 23:44.22 | Lopeppeppy | *smile* |
| 23:44.38 | Lopeppeppy | Boyfriend already saw it without me, and I'm such a wimp about going to the movies alone. |
| 23:45.01 | zenzelezz | so make him see it again |
| 23:45.11 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm, true, girl powers activate and all. |
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| 23:45.32 | Fisker | it's a crappy movie |
| 23:45.38 | Fisker | Surrogates is by far better |
| 23:46.30 | Cairenn | waaait a second here .... |
| 23:46.33 | Cairenn | boyfriend? |
| 23:46.40 | Cairenn | arches an eyebrow at Lopeppeppy |
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| 23:47.07 | Cairenn | you been holding out on me girl? |
| 23:47.11 | Lopeppeppy | Been dating for months and monthses, Cairenn. Nothing very traditional, but keeps me in a social life, which is all good. You've heard about him before! |
| 23:47.19 | Cairenn | oh, that one |
| 23:47.22 | Cairenn | okay :) |
| 23:47.32 | zenzelezz | peppy would never abandon you for a guy |
| 23:47.51 | zenzelezz | we've all tried to convince her, but apparently we're not good enough :( |
| 23:47.56 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hell no. Boys are not worth ruining friendships for, I learned that in grade school. |
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| 23:49.50 | Cairenn | no, I was just hoping that maybe there was some good news to be shared :) |
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| 23:54.47 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, no, status quo is still all quo-full. |
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