| 00:00.00 | foxlit | You're basically forcing 2*log10(n)+1 equiprobable segments. |
| 00:00.04 | Xinhuan | shirik, i've got teh formula, but you need to express x in terms of y |
| 00:00.13 | foxlit | Which is nicely satisfiable by a completely linear cdf. |
| 00:00.16 | WobWork | batrick: it tries desperately to make you sad, and fails miserably, but ends up depressing? |
| 00:00.28 | batrick | i never said it was depressing |
| 00:00.28 | WobWork | isn't depressed a kind of sad? =) |
| 00:00.30 | foxlit | or not. |
| 00:00.41 | WobWork | oh that was kdtresh |
| 00:00.44 | kdtresh | i said it was depressing, but i only read the book, didn't watch the movie |
| 00:00.46 | Xinhuan | shirik, let y = k*(x+1)*math.log(x+1) - k*x*(math.log(N+1)+1) |
| 00:00.53 | Xinhuan | if you can express x in terms of y, that's the formula |
| 00:00.59 | Shirik | lua> 1/8 |
| 00:00.59 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.125 |
| 00:01.04 | WobWork | I read the book so long ago, I can't remember it |
| 00:01.17 | kdtresh | it's only like 50 pages long, go read it again :P |
| 00:01.23 | Xinhuan | k is a constant, k = 1/( (N+1)*math.log(N+1)-N*math.log(N+1)-N ) |
| 00:03.09 | Shirik | foxlit: The interesting half would be that CDF(1) = 0.5 always |
| 00:03.24 | Shirik | I know it's a different requirement, but it's also an interesting point |
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| 00:05.03 | Xinhuan | hmm i guess that's wrong |
| 00:07.39 | Xinhuan | i integrated twice by mistake |
| 00:07.40 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 00:07.56 | Shirik | ok for values [0.01, 100] excel gives 0.1086lnx + 0.5 |
| 00:08.10 | Shirik | for [0.0001, 10000], excel gives 0.0543lnx + 0.5 |
| 00:08.30 | Shirik | interesting to note that 0.0543 is 0.1086 / 2 |
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| 00:14.14 | foxlit | You can generalize to c = 0.5/ln(N) |
| 00:14.27 | Shirik | c? |
| 00:14.32 | foxlit | c * ln (x) + 0.5 |
| 00:14.39 | Shirik | I was trying to find that relationship |
| 00:14.49 | Shirik | lua> 0.5 * ln(100) |
| 00:14.49 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'ln' (a nil value) |
| 00:14.55 | Shirik | lua> 0.5 * math.log(100) |
| 00:14.55 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2.302585092994 |
| 00:15.03 | Shirik | lua> 0.5 / math.log(100) |
| 00:15.03 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.10857362047581 |
| 00:15.07 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:15.10 | Shirik | I love you foxlit |
| 00:15.27 | Shirik | ok so this is the CDF I want, now I just have to swap x and y? |
| 00:15.29 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:15.44 | WobWork | from a funcspec discussion --> "this is simply a recording of number of clicks. It was meant to be called âI likeâ for regulation purposes we had to change the name of it. Itâs meant to be simple method of getting users to interact with the site, hence there is no reason to âunlikeâ a product â just like you would never unlike something on facebook!" |
| 00:15.57 | WobWork | Clearly she's not really used Facebook that much =) |
| 00:15.59 | foxlit | Shiik: invert it, basically. |
| 00:16.13 | WobWork | I totally want an 'unlike' button on FB |
| 00:16.29 | foxlit | You get N^(2 r)/N where r is your [0, 1] random |
| 00:16.34 | cbreak | I unlike facebook verymuch |
| 00:16.42 | Shirik | 0.5lnx / lnn + 0.5 = y --> y - 0.5 = 0.5lnx/lnn --> 2y - 1 = lnx/lnn --> lnn * (2y - 1) = lnx |
| 00:16.46 | foxlit | I hope. |
| 00:16.49 | WobWork | see? cbreak would totally click unlike |
| 00:16.51 | Shirik | e^(lnn * (2y - 1)) = x |
| 00:19.23 | Shirik | I think we finally have a workable solution |
| 00:21.24 | Shirik | lua> function lrand(n) return math.exp(math.log(n) * (2*math.random() - 1)) end t = {0,0,0} for x = 1, 10000 do local n = lrand(100); if n <= 1 then t[1] = t[1] + 1; elseif n<= 10 then t[2] = t[2] + 1; else t[3] = t[3] + 1; end end for k,v in ipairs(t) do print(v) end |
| 00:21.30 | lua_bot | Shirik: 4997, 2511, 2492 |
| 00:21.36 | Shirik | that's ... right |
| 00:22.18 | Shirik | hugs foxlit and Xinhuan and everyone else that helped |
| 00:22.36 | Shirik | is there a way to simplify this though? |
| 00:22.58 | Shirik | isn't e^(lnn * (2y - 1)) the same as n ^ (2y - 1) ? |
| 00:23.05 | foxlit | yes. |
| 00:23.31 | Shirik | the fun question is "which is easier to compute?" |
| 00:24.00 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 00:24.18 | Xinhuan | probably depends on what language and which math library |
| 00:24.37 | alestane | I would expect the latter, unless the machine has some highly optimized way of calculating e^x. |
| 00:25.44 | Shirik | lua> local ln, exp = math.log, math.exp; local function f1(n,y) return exp(ln(n) * (2*y - 1)); end; local function f2(n,y) return n^(2*y - 1) end; local c = os.clock(); for x = 1, 10000 do f1(100, 0.25) end print(os.clock() - c) |
| 00:25.44 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.01 |
| 00:25.54 | Shirik | lua> local ln, exp = math.log, math.exp; local function f1(n,y) return exp(ln(n) * (2*y - 1)); end; local function f2(n,y) return n^(2*y - 1) end; local c = os.clock(); for x = 1, 1000000 do f1(100, 0.25) end print(os.clock() - c) |
| 00:25.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.36 |
| 00:26.04 | Shirik | lua> local ln, exp = math.log, math.exp; local function f1(n,y) return exp(ln(n) * (2*y - 1)); end; local function f2(n,y) return n^(2*y - 1) end; local c = os.clock(); for x = 1, 1000000 do f2(100, 0.25) end print(os.clock() - c) |
| 00:26.05 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.31 |
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| 00:26.15 | Shirik | hm, too close to call |
| 00:26.29 | Shirik | I really would have expected e^x and lnx to be faster |
| 00:27.02 | foxlit | note that it's really ln N |
| 00:27.11 | foxlit | which you might as well precomppute. |
| 00:27.46 | Xinhuan | shirik, i think that formula is right |
| 00:27.54 | Shirik | good call, foxlit |
| 00:29.01 | Shirik | lua> local ln, exp = math.log, math.exp; local function f1(lnn,y) return exp(lnn * (2*y - 1)); end; local function f2(n,y) return n^(2*y - 1) end; local c = os.clock(); local lnn = math.log(100); for x = 1, 1000000 do f1(lnn, 0.25) end print(os.clock() - c) |
| 00:29.02 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.25 |
| 00:29.04 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/pizza.png |
| 00:29.11 | Shirik | now we're getting somewhere |
| 00:29.22 | Xinhuan | are you implementing this in lua? |
| 00:29.37 | Shirik | no |
| 00:29.44 | Shirik | but Lua uses the C API |
| 00:29.46 | Shirik | as I will be |
| 00:30.02 | Xinhuan | still won't really be accurate with all the lua overhead |
| 00:31.03 | Shirik | Still we're talking now about e^a or n^a, I would expect e to be more efficient |
| 00:31.45 | Xinhuan | i don't see why e will be more efficient |
| 00:31.57 | Xinhuan | in both cases, whether its e or n, its a constant |
| 00:31.59 | Shirik | well, for starters, for the simple reason that there's a dedicated function for it |
| 00:32.21 | Shirik | but more specifically, because the algorithm to compute the value would be optimized for assumptions of e, instead of having to do a generic computation |
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| 00:35.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate cars |
| 00:35.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got $2k in needed repairs :( |
| 00:37.26 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: did you get a second opinion? |
| 00:38.03 | ScytheBlade1 | not as of yet.. but it is pretty hard to lie about broken springs, a worn clutch and a bent tie rod |
| 00:38.07 | ScytheBlade1 | which sounds about right |
| 00:38.46 | Shirik | not too bad |
| 00:38.51 | Shirik | I got in an accident, car looked perfectly fine |
| 00:38.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 00:39.00 | Shirik | one little bent axel |
| 00:39.02 | Shirik | = dead car |
| 00:39.05 | Shirik | totaled |
| 00:39.16 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah that'd do it |
| 00:39.27 | foxlit | wonders how steam managed to "sell out" of anything |
| 00:39.27 | Jerub | man, i need new tyres, and that'll set me back 1.5-2k... |
| 00:39.54 | Jerub | runs out the door |
| 00:42.10 | WobWork | doesn't have a car atm |
| 00:42.22 | WobWork | and on one hand, I'm thankful |
| 00:42.25 | WobWork | on the other... eh |
| 00:42.38 | WobWork | I don't really like driving =\ |
| 00:42.46 | WobWork | but it's such a necessity at times |
| 00:44.12 | WobWork | hm, $5 for bioshock |
| 00:44.20 | WobWork | except I'd only play that on godmode |
| 00:45.15 | Dagmar | Lordy |
| 00:45.25 | foxlit | It wasn't actually... difficult. |
| 00:45.28 | Dagmar | That almost makes me irritated that I already have it |
| 00:45.40 | foxlit | The first few big daddy fights are ZOMG OH NOES IT'S AFTER ME RUN RUN RUN. |
| 00:45.49 | foxlit | But it's smooth sailing after that. |
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| 00:46.00 | Dagmar | foxlit: That's probably the _right_ thing to do until you've gotten the hang of dealing with those guys |
| 00:46.14 | Dagmar | i.e., "heavy weaponry at a good distance away... hopefully from behind" |
| 00:46.19 | foxlit | And the hang of dealing with those guys is "got the crossbow with trap bolts" |
| 00:47.52 | foxlit | They can only really walk through two or three of those, iirc. |
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| 00:48.20 | foxlit | ""Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then remember that half of them are even stupider!" George Carlin " |
| 00:48.39 | foxlit | One has to wonder whether that conclusion is actually correct. |
| 00:50.36 | Dagmar | It is. |
| 00:51.15 | foxlit | It makes assumptions about the distribution of stupidity that can only be addressed by hand-waving your way to the central limit theorem. |
| 00:51.56 | Dagmar | Well, being that vegetables aren't generally counted in that, there's probably actually more people below that line |
| 00:52.00 | foxlit | Perhaps a few people are phenomenally stupid while the rest of the population is barely above average? |
| 00:54.26 | zenzelezz | "The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity." |
| 00:57.20 | foxlit | wonders why people don't read change logs. |
| 00:57.33 | foxlit | "Zomg, you removed a checkbox. NEEEEERF!" |
| 00:57.43 | Antiarc | Anyone good with ButtonFacade? |
| 00:57.48 | Antiarc | It's clobbering SetNormalTexture for me :( |
| 00:58.08 | foxlit | The only good ButtonFacade is a dead ButtonFacade? |
| 00:58.13 | foxlit | </irrelevant> |
| 00:58.56 | foxlit | But if you're using BF, shouldn't you stay away from the normal texture yourself? |
| 00:59.09 | Antiarc | I dunno, I can't find any doc on how to use BF. |
| 00:59.19 | Antiarc | The API doc is relatively useless as far as actual usage goes |
| 00:59.27 | Antiarc | And the code is fairly opaque. |
| 01:00.12 | foxlit | Mhm. That documentation does have clarity issues, and I'm oh so unhappy with the library's design decision to force you to manage its saved variables in the silliest way possible. |
| 01:00.24 | Antiarc | Yeah, not a fan of that setup |
| 01:00.32 | foxlit | But anyhow. Once you've added a button to BF, you're supposed to stay the heck away from its layout. |
| 01:00.44 | Antiarc | So I never change the icon, ever? |
| 01:00.46 | foxlit | If you're updating the icon, there's usually a separate texture used for that. |
| 01:01.03 | foxlit | It's not the button's normal texture, but rather a separate $parentIcon Texture. |
| 01:01.41 | Antiarc | Oh, does it need to be named that way? |
| 01:01.56 | foxlit | No, but that's the default assumption. Let me pastey some code. |
| 01:02.25 | Antiarc | I see, now. |
| 01:02.26 | foxlit | (You can also pass it your indication elements explicitly) |
| 01:02.49 | Antiarc | I tried passing a separate texture explicitly but it didn't seem to work. |
| 01:03.47 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/130757 |
| 01:05.33 | foxlit | basically, Group:AddButton(button, {Icon=iconTexture, ...}); the keys for that table were in the docs somewhere, I think. |
| 01:06.31 | Antiarc | Hm, I assumed I needed to use the Normal key |
| 01:06.41 | Antiarc | There we go. |
| 01:06.46 | Antiarc | A little roundabout, but it works. |
| 01:07.02 | Antiarc | Icon rather than Normal works nicely. |
| 01:08.23 | Antiarc | Thanks much. |
| 01:09.24 | foxlit | :) |
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| 01:16.42 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/5_dollars.jpg |
| 01:16.52 | Cairenn | rofl |
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| 01:24.33 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/130758 |
| 01:24.34 | Shirik | Is it really necessary to issue 2 errors for that? |
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| 01:34.55 | Adys | Er |
| 01:35.16 | Adys | How is 1.87 7.26% less than 2.00 ? |
| 01:36.04 | foxlit | One expects an operator between the two numbers on the left side. |
| 01:36.51 | Adys | I keep getting results around 1.81 |
| 01:38.34 | Adys | Oh nvm.. had some more calcs behind the scenes |
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| 02:04.36 | Dagmar | smells Ubuntu |
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| 02:45.49 | Shirik | Some servers are splitting with *.net *.split and someare splitting with the old message |
| 02:45.49 | Shirik | does that mean they're starting to roll out the new servers? |
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| 02:47.56 | Shirik | ah no, I see what happened now |
| 02:47.57 | Shirik | (12:03:46)  -⺠Netsplit ("*.net â¹-⺠*.split") 1 quits: toepeu |
| 02:48.04 | Shirik | That was someone quitting with that message and confusing my client |
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| 02:50.58 | Shirik | who wants a fun design question? |
| 02:51.08 | ScytheBlade1 | 42 |
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| 02:51.41 | Shirik | Imagine a list of words, each of which has a value associated with it |
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| 02:51.57 | Shirik | We want to perform a random mutation on this list of words |
| 02:52.07 | Shirik | That means add some and remove some to come up with a modified list |
| 02:52.23 | Shirik | The new words should be "recently seen" |
| 02:53.04 | Shirik | so imagine we also have a vector of recently seen words |
| 02:53.14 | Shirik | s/vector/array/ |
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| 02:53.44 | Shirik | How do we modify the list of words randomly |
| 02:53.58 | Shirik | problem I'm encountering right now is that it's a mapping of words to values, which thus has no ordering |
| 02:54.04 | Shirik | so how do we "pick one" to mutate |
| 02:54.18 | Shirik | alternatively, I'm approaching this problem from completely the wrong angle :) |
| 02:54.22 | WobWork | arbitary weighting based on letter combination? |
| 02:54.32 | Shirik | hm? |
| 02:54.37 | mikma | boooring |
| 02:54.44 | mikma | get a job you wanker |
| 02:54.44 | Shirik | ~lart mikma |
| 02:54.44 | purl | squeezes mikma till mikma turns blue like papa smurf |
| 02:54.51 | Shirik | I have a job |
| 02:55.02 | WobWork | wait, the words have a value attached |
| 02:55.05 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:55.07 | WobWork | what's the value represent |
| 02:55.26 | mikma | shirik: (that was a quote from the movie The Replacements) |
| 02:55.28 | Shirik | kinda irrelevant to the problem, but if you must know it's a weight associated with the word for determining how "vandal-like" the word is |
| 02:55.48 | cog|away | lolwut? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZwhNFOn4ik |
| 02:56.03 | mikma | also, BOOOOOOOOOOORING! |
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| 02:57.50 | WobWork | so you have a list of 'bad' words |
| 02:57.56 | Shirik | not necessarily bad |
| 02:58.01 | Shirik | but preferably bad |
| 02:58.09 | WobWork | and you want to modify it to include recently seen words |
| 02:58.10 | Shirik | the optimum gene would have all bad words in it |
| 02:58.22 | Shirik | I want to modify it because it's going through a mutation :) |
| 02:58.31 | Shirik | The mutation will happen to be skewed towards recently seen words |
| 02:58.55 | Cide- | Shirik: not following |
| 02:59.04 | Shirik | ok let me give you more background I guess |
| 02:59.25 | Shirik | This is for a genetic algorithm aiming to identify "vandal posts" vs "non-vandal posts" |
| 02:59.39 | Shirik | One of the genes maintains a word list and does some math on it to come up with a decision |
| 02:59.48 | Shirik | Now imagine this gene going through a mutation |
| 03:00.13 | Cide- | okay |
| 03:00.14 | Shirik | I have the word list, with each word containing a value associated with it. Additionally, I have an array of "recently seen words" from which the mutation operation may pick |
| 03:00.25 | Shirik | What is a good way to build the new word list? |
| 03:00.31 | Cide- | I would just pick a random integer from say 1 to n, n <= len(recently_seen) |
| 03:00.54 | Cide- | and then pick a random set of n entries in the word list and swap them with new words |
| 03:01.09 | cralor | grrr what's the freenode command for identify again? |
| 03:01.18 | WobWork | msg nickserv id password |
| 03:01.20 | Shirik | /ns identify <password> |
| 03:01.24 | cralor | thanks :) |
| 03:01.26 | Shirik | Cide-: Two problems |
| 03:02.01 | Shirik | (1) How do I pick a random set of n entries from something that is not an array, and (2) I cannot assume that the size of the recently_seen list is the same size as the word list |
| 03:02.40 | Cide- | (1) shouldn't be difficult |
| 03:02.54 | Cide- | as long as you can iterate over them you can pick out a random sample |
| 03:03.28 | Cide- | (2) could be an issue but shouldn't be one with a few minor modifications |
| 03:03.39 | Shirik | well I can iterate over them, but it's kinda like approaching the problem "If I know I need n, how do I pick out n without iterating over the list several times" |
| 03:04.01 | Cide- | say you generate a random integer, 1 <= n <= max(len(recently_seen), len(word_list)) |
| 03:04.07 | Cide- | use that to define the new size of the word list |
| 03:05.13 | Cide- | and then do some magic to throw out random words and pick new ones |
| 03:05.19 | Cralor` | How do I retrieve data on talents? I'd like to check if a talent has points placed into it |
| 03:05.43 | Cide- | or simpler: iterate over the word list, throw a die to check if the word should 1) remain, 2) be swapped with one from recently_seen, or 3) be removed and not replaced |
| 03:05.55 | Cide- | experiment with the weights |
| 03:06.14 | ZorbaTHut | y'know there's one awesome thing about having two main characters to play |
| 03:06.29 | ZorbaTHut | if you get into a bad LFD, you can just leave and switch characters |
| 03:06.29 | Cide- | 50 awesome daily quests instead of 25? |
| 03:06.42 | Shirik | that's similar to something I've done already, actually, Cide |
| 03:06.48 | ZorbaTHut | especially if one's a healer and one's a tank, I just push butan get party |
| 03:06.54 | Shirik | When crossing two word lists I roll a die 1-4 |
| 03:07.02 | Shirik | 1 = take left, 2 = take right, 3 = take both, 4 = take neither |
| 03:07.12 | Dagmar | Even if they're bad, I still have Feign Death |
| 03:07.30 | Cralor` | hmm maybe GetTalentInfo will do it |
| 03:07.30 | Shirik | However I'm worried about that in this case because the recent words list could be significantly larger |
| 03:07.34 | Dagmar | De-gearing before queuing has gotten me some real winners tho |
| 03:07.37 | Shirik | will be* |
| 03:07.52 | Cide- | well, in that case determining the new length in the beginning may prove useful |
| 03:08.21 | Cide- | then you'd get generations with a good spread of word list lengths |
| 03:08.36 | Shirik | How about this |
| 03:08.46 | Shirik | randomize the maximum number of changes |
| 03:09.05 | Cide- | on the other hand, playing with the weights to favor "remain and add new word" would also do the job I think |
| 03:09.41 | Shirik | ok I think I have a good idea now |
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| 03:09.51 | Shirik | <3 |
| 03:09.52 | Cide- | what is it? |
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| 03:17.50 | Shirik | Cide-: I'll pick a random number between 1 and n, where n = the number of elements in the current word list |
| 03:18.02 | Adys | Someone answer me honestly |
| 03:18.02 | Shirik | That will be the number of operations I perform |
| 03:18.19 | WobWork | Adys: it makes your arse look big |
| 03:18.25 | Shirik | I'll iterate over the current word list and do my 1-4 roll before |
| 03:18.28 | Adys | Is the form "<name> his <obj>" correct? |
| 03:18.44 | Shirik | once I reach the end of the current word list, if I still need to do more operations, I'll flip a coin. 1 = take it, 2 = skip it |
| 03:18.52 | mikma | adys his dick |
| 03:18.53 | Adys | I know its not, it doesn't make ANY kind of sense, but i see the error so often I am beginning to doubt myself |
| 03:18.54 | WobWork | ...like "Adys his car"? |
| 03:19.01 | Adys | WobWork: no, like adys his dick |
| 03:19.15 | WobWork | I'd say... no? |
| 03:19.16 | Adys | I don't have a car. |
| 03:19.33 | WobWork | is this a trick question? |
| 03:19.40 | Adys | its not a trick question |
| 03:19.59 | WobWork | what is the context? |
| 03:20.06 | mikma | adys: <name> and his <obj> |
| 03:20.11 | Shirik | like it Cide? |
| 03:20.15 | Adys | expanding 's to his |
| 03:20.23 | Adys | "Check out Alexandre his keynote" |
| 03:20.41 | WobWork | 's is not a contraction |
| 03:20.45 | WobWork | not in that sense |
| 03:20.46 | Adys | I know it's not |
| 03:21.11 | Shirik | I think there's a problem with it Cide |
| 03:21.17 | Adys | Ive seen this error so often, and it makes so little sense, that I don't see why one would use that form unless it was not an error |
| 03:21.18 | Shirik | it favors the earlier end of the list |
| 03:21.24 | Shirik | I mean, that's not really a big deal |
| 03:22.10 | WobWork | the closest you'd get is "<name>, who has a <obj>" |
| 03:22.17 | WobWork | a/an |
| 03:22.26 | mikma | <name> and his <obj> |
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| 03:22.50 | Cide- | Shirik: that's probably because of your crossing |
| 03:22.56 | Shirik | hm? |
| 03:23.06 | Cide- | or maybe I misunderstood it |
| 03:23.09 | mikma | i dont get it... why in the ass is mmochampion's talent calculator so superslow |
| 03:23.17 | WobWork | ajax! |
| 03:24.14 | mikma | it takes frwaking 3 minutes+ to load a build |
| 03:24.17 | Kraps | Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice. It is of two kinds: VoluntaryâUpon a sudden quarrel or heat of passion. InvoluntaryâIn the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to a felony, or in the commission in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and circumspection, of a lawful act which might produce death. |
| 03:24.24 | Cide- | decide on the number of operations and then pick out a k, 0 <= k < n |
| 03:24.24 | Kraps | now you know |
| 03:24.51 | Cide- | drop k random words and add n-k new ones from the recently seen list |
| 03:24.51 | Shirik | k being? |
| 03:25.05 | Shirik | oo |
| 03:25.05 | Cide- | a random number in [0, n) |
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| 03:25.05 | Shirik | that's a good one |
| 03:25.05 | Cralor` | In the COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED event, is the timestamp parameter return like 8 AM or something? or the duration? |
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| 03:25.18 | Shirik | except we encounter a new problem |
| 03:25.22 | Shirik | how do we drop k random words |
| 03:25.29 | Shirik | all we have is an iterator |
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| 03:25.51 | Cide- | well, it can easily be reduced to the problem of finding a random subset of k items |
| 03:25.51 | Shirik | how about this |
| 03:25.58 | Shirik | We picked out an n |
| 03:26.14 | jnwhiteh | Cralor`: its a timestamp. |
| 03:26.16 | jnwhiteh | they're numeric |
| 03:26.18 | jnwhiteh | you can compare them |
| 03:26.19 | jnwhiteh | that's it. |
| 03:26.20 | Cide- | only the subset is the array [0, 1, 2, ...k-1], and the subset's values represents the entries' keys to drop |
| 03:26.25 | Shirik | wait wait |
| 03:26.26 | Shirik | hang on |
| 03:26.40 | Shirik | ok so we have an n, the number of words we're going to add. Also assume i, the number of words currently in the list |
| 03:26.41 | Cralor` | jnwhiteh: so how would I find out if a debuff is expiring? |
| 03:26.42 | jnwhiteh | in theory they're the time at the server |
| 03:26.42 | jnwhiteh | but you shoudln't rely on that. |
| 03:26.43 | Cide- | I'll get you the algorithm |
| 03:26.52 | jnwhiteh | Cralor`: you get the event that says its expired? |
| 03:26.56 | jnwhiteh | i dont understand the question =) |
| 03:26.57 | Shirik | On average, dropping an element with probability n/i should drop n items |
| 03:27.04 | Shirik | correct? |
| 03:27.11 | Cralor` | Oh I looked and did not see one. I might have overlooked :P |
| 03:27.12 | Cide- | yes |
| 03:27.32 | Cide- | that's even simpler then |
| 03:27.34 | Shirik | So what if we were to choose some probability on the interval [0,n/i) then iterate over the entire list, dropping an element on that probability |
| 03:27.45 | Shirik | or maybe just use the probability n/i |
| 03:28.02 | Cralor` | jnwhiteh: Ah |
| 03:28.21 | Cralor` | it's SPELL_AURA_REMOVED |
| 03:28.47 | Cide- | choose n as number of operations and a k in [0, n). iterate over each element and if randomfloat() < k/len(word_list) then drop() end |
| 03:28.56 | Cide- | add n-k new words |
| 03:29.21 | Cide- | then again, you're back to the same algorithm in choosing n-k new words :P |
| 03:29.38 | Cide- | but python's got you covered with an efficient algorithm |
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| 03:31.05 | Shirik | nah, choosing new words is fairly easy |
| 03:31.07 | Shirik | that's a vector |
| 03:31.11 | Shirik | so I can access it like an array |
| 03:31.19 | Shirik | the old list is a map, so it's not as easy |
| 03:31.21 | kd3 | hrm |
| 03:31.28 | Cide- | http://pastey.net/130759 |
| 03:31.33 | Cide- | ah, true |
| 03:31.45 | Cralor` | jnwhiteh: actually, how can i trigger an action when a debuff is at a certain time ? like 10 seconds left? |
| 03:31.54 | jnwhiteh | set a timer |
| 03:31.57 | jnwhiteh | you know when you gain the buff |
| 03:32.00 | jnwhiteh | and how much time is left on it |
| 03:32.01 | Cralor` | from when it gained |
| 03:32.06 | Cralor` | alrighty |
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| 03:37.35 | Arrowmaster | i picked this damn game up because it was on sale and now im wishing i hadnt, its done nothing but piss me off |
| 03:37.51 | Shirik | is that why it was on sale? ^_^; |
| 03:39.45 | WobWork | which one? |
| 03:40.07 | Arrowmaster | the new wolfenstein |
| 03:40.09 | Cide- | every game ever |
| 03:41.19 | Shirik | God I love Qt |
| 03:41.25 | Shirik | they have thought of everything |
| 03:41.41 | Shirik | However, be aware that any modification performed directly on the QHash has the potential of dramatically changing the order in which the items are stored in the hash, as they might cause QHash to rehash its internal data structure. There is one notable exception: QHash::erase(). This function can safely be called while iterating, and won't affect the order of items in the hash. |
| 03:43.31 | Dagmar | I don't know about that one... |
| 03:43.52 | Dagmar | If they'd thought of everything they'd have been warning people to iterate over a private copy of the hash keys |
| 03:45.52 | Cide- | that's also standard in java |
| 03:46.13 | Shirik | Cide-, but Java is evil |
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| 03:46.20 | Cide- | I know |
| 03:46.24 | Cide- | I despise being forced to learn it |
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| 04:00.31 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5435876/the-most-pirated-games-of-2009 |
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| 04:05.44 | TC-Away | ..."your area code covers a large area please select which one from the dropdown box." i have 2 options, LA and NY. |
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| 04:06.38 | Dagmar | That's a big damn area |
| 04:06.49 | WobWork | I haven't pirated a game in a while |
| 04:06.58 | WobWork | Steam makes it simpler to just download =P |
| 04:07.03 | Dagmar | Steam makes it just too damn easy yeah |
| 04:07.19 | Dagmar | Type in some numbers, click a few times, it takes care of all the BS |
| 04:09.13 | ZorbaTHut | nice, got both the regular ToC trinkets that I care about in a single run |
| 04:09.19 | Polarina | Why isn't World of Warcraft there? |
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| 04:10.17 | WobWork | cause it doesn't get pirated as much? |
| 04:10.27 | Dagmar | Kinda hard to pirate a monthly service |
| 04:10.40 | WobWork | I assume Pol means the hacked servers |
| 04:10.59 | Polarina | <censored>! |
| 04:11.04 | Cide- | I never thought I'd read "Plugging the analog hole" on wikipedia |
| 04:13.16 | Dagmar | Where? |
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| 04:13.26 | Dagmar | You could probably bust that on the basis of it being stilted language |
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| 04:14.21 | Dagmar | Pretty much every argument the "industry" makes that uses that term is a damned lie. |
| 04:14.43 | Dagmar | You can freely substitute "entrenching our monopoly further" with that phrase |
| 04:14.44 | Cide- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Access_Content_System |
| 04:15.17 | Dagmar | In the case of that in particular it's nonsense |
| 04:15.56 | Dagmar | It's practically easier to get the software off the internet to rip and pirate discs protected with that than it is to mess with the cables necessary to use the "analog hole" on your TC |
| 04:16.17 | Dagmar | er TV |
| 04:16.37 | Dagmar | What they're wanting to do is leverage patents and the DMCA to establish a new monopoly on anything that behaves even remotely like a VCR |
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| 04:17.27 | Thunder_Child | thanks Dagmar, that didnt seem weird at all |
| 04:17.41 | ZorbaTHut | ugh, I'm at the point where I'm going to start grabbing all the epic leather I can just so the game will let me into HToC |
| 04:18.20 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: LOL |
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| 05:01.58 | Shirik | .... It is really sad that I'm watching robot chicken, and this japanese sketch comes on |
| 05:02.02 | Shirik | and I actually understand some phrases |
| 05:03.09 | Sesshu | yum chicken |
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| 05:07.46 | Kraps | ICC has an achievement call "I'm on a boat" that is win |
| 05:09.51 | Shirik | Cide what do you think? http://wowi.pastey.net/130764 |
| 05:10.33 | digmouse | I've gone and made a mess |
| 05:12.11 | kd3 | kraps; http://www.wowwiki.com/Icecrown_Citadel_%28instance%29#Related_achievements |
| 05:15.02 | Kraps | kd3: "Boned"? :/ |
| 05:15.26 | kd3 | names and descriptions as found in-game |
| 05:16.37 | WobWork | "All you can eat" is an awesome achievement name |
| 05:18.39 | Mr_Rabies | i actually understand what's happening in this sketch and who the robots are |
| 05:18.41 | Mr_Rabies | http://video.adultswim.com/robot-chicken/it-happened-in-battle.html |
| 05:18.51 | Mr_Rabies | and i'm not italian or japanese |
| 05:18.57 | kd3 | I'm amazed it took this long for them to make a buffet/buffet joke |
| 05:18.59 | Mr_Rabies | i'm such a nerd :( |
| 05:19.46 | Kraps | nerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd |
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| 05:20.53 | WobWork | rappetz? |
| 05:20.55 | WobWork | wtf |
| 05:21.02 | WobWork | another porn ad game? |
| 05:21.39 | WobWork | for a second I thought it was that evony ad |
| 05:21.57 | WobWork | but apparently over 6million gamers eagerly await me |
| 05:23.03 | WobWork | and lucious hills and valleys |
| 05:24.24 | WobWork | lucious(sp?) |
| 05:24.25 | batbot | WobWork, Lucio's, Lucio us, Lucio-us, Lucius, luscious. |
| 05:24.32 | WobWork | luscious... |
| 05:24.40 | WobWork | man that looks weirder the more I look at it |
| 05:24.42 | Kraps | um. yeah |
| 05:25.17 | Kraps | the juxtaposition of some phrases over there bro... |
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| 05:58.18 | Kraps | so, whats your take on this thread? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=22048400447&sid=1 |
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| 06:10.19 | Mr_Rabies | http://notalwaysright.com/the-fourth-is-not-strong-with-this-one/3386 |
| 06:10.25 | Mr_Rabies | teehee |
| 06:11.03 | Arrowmaster | lol |
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| 06:34.56 | Polarina | In the most literal meaning, the X server on my Debian Squeeze just, on random, crash! |
| 06:35.30 | Polarina | Then gdm restarted and froze all mouse and keyboard input. :S |
| 06:35.50 | Arrowmaster | mine used to crash too, but then i stopped using compiz |
| 06:36.19 | Polarina | I use no such things. |
| 06:36.33 | Polarina | Just a standard fresh installation, a little used, for WoW only, nearly. |
| 06:36.46 | kd3 | then I blame your drivers |
| 06:36.54 | Polarina | Might well be. |
| 06:37.26 | Polarina | If I were doing some 3D acceleration or anything more demanding than running a file browser, idling, I would understand. |
| 06:37.30 | Polarina | But this, I cannot explain. |
| 06:37.46 | ZorbaTHut | goddamn, queueing as DPS is terrible |
| 06:38.01 | Polarina | Queuing at non-peak times is! |
| 06:38.17 | ZorbaTHut | queueing at like 3 in the morning takes seconds on my resto druid or prot warrior |
| 06:38.21 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.28 | Polarina | kd3: I'll check. |
| 06:38.29 | kd3 | and queuing as dps does suck |
| 06:38.38 | kd3 | I can usually do most of my dailies waiting for the random to pop |
| 06:39.50 | Polarina | kd3: Nothing suspicious there. |
| 06:40.19 | kd3 | then I'd say check /var/log/messages, but debian puts random syslog messages somewhere else afaik |
| 06:42.30 | Polarina | Dec 29 06:31:37 debian kernel: [1524165.064628] Xorg[2189]: segfault at 80000010 ip 00000000004d7a16 sp 00007fff4af15250 error 4 in Xorg[400000+1bb000] |
| 06:42.55 | kd3 | well, there's a starting point |
| 06:43.15 | kd3 | it's nearly 2 am my time so I'm not lucid enough to help debug |
| 06:44.01 | Torhal | Gotta hate 10.07 system load |
| 06:44.03 | Torhal | :D |
| 06:45.08 | Polarina | Dec 29 06:31:42 debian gdm[2181]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0 |
| 06:45.44 | Polarina | There seems to be nothing else related. |
| 06:46.01 | Polarina | I had no debugging symbols installed, so no hope for a backtrace. |
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| 06:59.15 | p3lim | what is a table that only has values, not keys called? |
| 06:59.19 | p3lim | i forgot |
| 07:05.28 | Dagmar | kd3: /var/log/syslog I suspect. ;) |
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| 07:30.44 | Shirik | kd3: What is your nick when you go away? |
| 07:31.04 | Shirik | is it kd3|away or kd|away? |
| 07:31.21 | Shirik | or do you not do that at all? |
| 07:36.55 | cog|away | quick what's the api to get out of a siege machine >< |
| 07:37.13 | cog|away | !api vehicle |
| 07:37.13 | lua_bot | Found 48 possible matches for 'vehicle'. Please be more specific |
| 07:37.19 | cog|away | !api exit |
| 07:37.20 | lua_bot | Found 7 possible results for 'exit': CommentatorExitInstance, VehicleExit, UNIT_EXITING_VEHICLE, UNIT_EXITED_VEHICLE, os.exit, BattlefieldMgrExitRequest, CanExitVehicle |
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| 08:19.20 | DJJeff | DESKTOP SCREENSHOTS!!!! GO GO GO!!!!! |
| 08:19.21 | DJJeff | http://www.jefferywilkins.com/screencap/desktop_screenshot.png |
| 08:19.40 | DJJeff | (winamp covering my WOW Cat expansion logo) |
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| 08:25.40 | airtonix | http://moblin.org/documentation/moblin-overview/netbook-screenshots |
| 08:31.56 | Zyn | internets |
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| 08:49.49 | Shirik | people complain about C++'s const functions saying they're not necessary |
| 08:49.57 | Shirik | and they just saved my butt from a huge bug |
| 08:50.57 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 08:51.03 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:51.08 | Fisker | give me something awesome |
| 08:51.15 | Shirik | gives Fisker a potato chip |
| 08:51.19 | Fisker | ;/ |
| 08:53.25 | Shirik | you do not like my potato chip? |
| 08:53.51 | Fisker | no |
| 09:01.28 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:04.02 | Kalroth | meanie |
| 09:07.49 | mitch0 | shirik: my biggest gripe when I moved to java from c++ was the lack of const-correctness |
| 09:08.13 | Shirik | Java's "final" is a big joke to me |
| 09:15.57 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:16.40 | Shirik | o.o; |
| 09:16.57 | Shirik | I just did a significant redesign, adjusted code, and all my unit tests still pass without changing them |
| 09:17.07 | Shirik | I would say they're bad unit tests but I have 95% code coverage :/ |
| 09:29.23 | Fisker | you're a bad unit test Shirik :( |
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| 09:33.58 | avenue | Hi guys, any of you know which event i can use (if possible) to trigger on the login of a guild mate? |
| 09:41.47 | Elkano | hmm, maybe GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE fires |
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| 09:52.55 | avenue | Elkano: thanks i was going to try that or a CHAT_MSG_GUILD |
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| 10:55.21 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/8191217 |
| 10:55.28 | Wobin | =`( |
| 11:01.30 | Wobin | (watch with some tissues at hand =\) |
| 11:05.47 | zenzelezz | I'm a little intrigued that wowhead doesn't match "eathspeaker kharos" with "deathspeaker kharos" |
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| 12:23.44 | p3lim | kle på deg |
| 12:23.47 | p3lim | wups |
| 12:23.58 | zenzelezz | aldri |
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| 12:25.49 | zenzelezz | grmbl... if you know you have lunch in 10 minutes, don't sign up for a random >:( |
| 12:27.11 | p3lim | off to buy some cheapass fireworks, yippie |
| 12:41.32 | Fisker | zenzelezz you mean "Make better excuses" |
| 12:41.33 | Fisker | :P |
| 12:48.05 | Bruners | Fisker: did you get anything nice for christmas ? |
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| 12:54.01 | Fisker | no Bruners :( |
| 12:54.09 | Fisker | What will you get me for my birthday? |
| 13:02.50 | Bruners | Fisker: I would guess nothing since you havent made any whishes so far |
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| 13:16.09 | Fisker | i wish for your mother Bruners |
| 13:16.22 | Fisker | also wishes are all about surprise anyways |
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| 13:17.36 | Bruners | to get drunk or not |
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| 13:24.42 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=414TmP12WAU |
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| 13:34.33 | Bruners | finding todays word took some time |
| 13:37.52 | Wobin | I already had it =( |
| 13:43.11 | Wobin | mikma, that's... kinda awesome |
| 13:45.15 | Adys | Shirik |
| 13:46.12 | Adys | I have a table like foo = { bar = someOtherTable } |
| 13:46.42 | Adys | how do I default to foo.bar attributes when |
| 13:46.56 | Adys | I can't access foo's attributes. |
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| 13:47.27 | mikma | wobin: applejuice? |
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| 13:48.46 | Wobin | how bout you go fuck a fruitbasket =P |
| 13:49.07 | Adys | Oo |
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| 13:51.07 | Wobin | Adys, watch the video |
| 13:51.24 | Adys | what vid? |
| 13:51.25 | Wobin | it's what you get when a bored lip reader gets ahold of the internet |
| 13:51.31 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=414TmP12WAU |
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| 13:53.58 | Adys | wow |
| 13:56.32 | Fisker | yes we play wow |
| 13:56.32 | Fisker | hoho |
| 13:57.46 | Polarina | From the scale 1 to 10; how awesome is the dual-talent specialization? From the scale 1 to 10; is dual-talent specialization worth the money? |
| 13:58.03 | Adys | it is |
| 13:58.10 | Adys | unless you got 1000 alts |
| 13:58.16 | Polarina | :P |
| 13:58.39 | mikma | yes, and yes. |
| 13:58.48 | Polarina | Cool. |
| 13:59.04 | Polarina | I am a holy priest, what would you recommend as my second specialization? |
| 13:59.24 | mikma | shadow |
| 13:59.39 | Polarina | And why shadow over discipline? |
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| 14:00.55 | mikma | just because you may want to melt some faces |
| 14:01.27 | Polarina | :P |
| 14:04.20 | Wobin | dps/heals is more flexible and entertaining than two healing specs |
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| 14:04.46 | Wobin | you'd only really go two healing specs if your raiding group required it |
| 14:04.52 | Wobin | (and even then I'd question the group =P) |
| 14:06.15 | ZorbaTHut | I'd totally have two or three tanking specs if I could, but I want a DPS spec also |
| 14:06.19 | ZorbaTHut | I want tri-spec or quad-spec or something |
| 14:06.27 | ZorbaTHut | septaspec |
| 14:06.42 | A-KO | I've considered dual healing specs as a resto druid |
| 14:06.50 | A-KO | one focused more on talents for tank healing and the other for helping the raid out a bit more |
| 14:11.38 | zenzelezz | ZorbaTHut: octospec would be spectacular |
| 14:14.54 | Polarina | tries out shadow. |
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| 14:23.30 | cbreak | We have a priest with a Holy and a Disc spec. |
| 14:23.42 | cbreak | Apparently he hates to dps with his priest and prefers to just use his mage for that. |
| 14:23.51 | cbreak | (I can totally understand wanting to dps with a mage :) |
| 14:33.10 | Wobin | shadowpriests can get some amazing dps |
| 14:33.15 | Wobin | especially on aoe |
| 14:33.35 | Polarina | I am purple-opaque! :D |
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| 15:38.26 | amro | Shirik: ping |
| 15:57.19 | industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.33 | industrial | say Feral Spirit |
| 16:03.05 | jnwhiteh | GetSpellInfo("Feral Spirit") ? |
| 16:03.10 | jnwhiteh | i think talents show up in the spellbook |
| 16:03.12 | jnwhiteh | but maybe not all of them |
| 16:03.13 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 16:09.34 | alestane | I think you may be obliged to iterate over them. |
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| 16:15.11 | jnwhiteh | alestane: |
| 16:15.13 | jnwhiteh | "them"? |
| 16:15.20 | jnwhiteh | over all the talents? |
| 16:15.27 | jnwhiteh | that's the fallback |
| 16:16.05 | jnwhiteh | industrial: try using spell id 51533 |
| 16:16.08 | jnwhiteh | that's Feral Spirit |
| 16:16.18 | jnwhiteh | its an active spell, so its in your spellbook |
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| 16:23.39 | Fisker | i'm a jerk :( |
| 16:23.45 | amro | newsflash |
| 16:24.09 | Fisker | but it was so funny |
| 16:24.20 | Fisker | It was heroic stratholme |
| 16:24.30 | Fisker | and some guy kept insisting we should waste our time doing zombiefest |
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| 16:24.36 | Fisker | even though it's not possible at that point |
| 16:25.06 | Fisker | Then the tank couldn't hold aggro (with misdirection) on the first pack |
| 16:25.35 | Fisker | So i started MD'ing the other packs to the idiot who kept pulling our run off track with that stupid achievement :P |
| 16:25.36 | amro | I blame the hunter |
| 16:25.58 | Fisker | He didn't even understand that i MD'ed to him |
| 16:25.58 | Fisker | Then everyone left |
| 16:25.59 | Fisker | yay :D |
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| 16:29.35 | Ancu | yay! authenticator authenticated |
| 16:30.00 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent work, old man! |
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| 16:33.44 | alestane | huggles Peppy. |
| 16:33.53 | alestane | Kitty still at the vet's? |
| 16:33.53 | Fisker | huggle me! |
| 16:34.20 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Fisker just 'cause he asked. |
| 16:34.25 | alestane | sends the succubus to huggle Fisker. |
| 16:34.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yes alestane. I have to call after 2 to see if she came down off the pain meds gracefully and can come home. So there's yet some doubt that she'll be home for dinner. |
| 16:35.02 | Fisker | can you leave it over for a few hours alestane ? |
| 16:35.21 | alestane | No, but you can have my voidwalker. |
| 16:36.04 | Lopeppeppy | ... blueberry /= sexmaiden |
| 16:36.54 | alestane | He gets what he's earned, dear. He should be grateful it's not the felhound. |
| 16:37.02 | Lopeppeppy | Wooof? |
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| 16:39.26 | Lopeppeppy | I don't even want to think that Rosie could have to spend another night with the vet techs. And that's not just because their boarding fees are hideous. |
| 16:41.06 | Fisker | http://www.tmonews.com/2009/12/t-mobile-officially-confirms-google-phone/ |
| 16:41.07 | Fisker | QQ |
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| 17:05.37 | Zyn | and soon... Google Socks, Google Air, Google Toiletpaper , Google Creditcards, Google Goggles, Google Cars, Google Glorious Dawn, etc etc |
| 17:05.47 | Lopeppeppy | I want a Google Goggie! |
| 17:06.34 | Arrowmaster | i would take a google creditcard if it was a replacement for shitty paypal |
| 17:07.12 | Fisker | besides all of that was made obsolete Zyn |
| 17:07.14 | _rane | Zyn: google goggles exists already |
| 17:07.21 | Fisker | Google Earth |
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| 17:52.28 | cog|away | ~lart race conditions |
| 17:52.28 | purl | lowers race conditions's priority |
| 17:52.36 | cog|away | ~botsnack |
| 17:52.36 | purl | cog|away: thanks |
| 17:53.17 | cog|work | jnwhiteh: can i request a lock/unlock option in the right-click menu for tomtom's waypoint arrow? |
| 17:54.42 | Rawxor | is there any way of uniquely identifying a mob in wow? |
| 17:54.49 | cog|work | UnitGUID? |
| 17:55.18 | Rawxor | i was hoping to create something so that when i mark targets the marks show up in a frame of some sort - clicking the marks target the target with that mark |
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| 17:55.40 | cog|work | only way you can do that is with focus |
| 17:55.48 | cog|work | GUIDs are info only |
| 17:56.09 | Rawxor | and targeting works by using unit names right? |
| 17:56.51 | cog|work | addons have to use secure handlers which can't be changed during combat |
| 17:57.07 | cog|work | you *can* use names, but you can't select a new one until the end of combat |
| 17:57.44 | Rawxor | ic |
| 17:57.48 | Rawxor | o well :/ |
| 17:58.38 | Rawxor | it's probably obvious that i've never written an addon for wow - there are addons for everything i've wanted to do - but i've written a bit of LUA code and figured i'd at least ask. |
| 17:59.08 | cog|work | it's a common enough question, even from experienced authors if they've never done anything wrt combat |
| 17:59.12 | cog|work | :) |
| 18:02.05 | Rawxor | so how does one work on an addon in "real time" |
| 18:02.23 | Rawxor | is it possible to force wow to re-load scripts from disk? or do you have to restart wow a ton? |
| 18:02.40 | kdtresh | create the files, put them in your addons folder |
| 18:02.41 | kdtresh | run wow |
| 18:02.46 | kdtresh | open the files in an editor |
| 18:02.55 | kdtresh | make your changes, save the files |
| 18:03.01 | kdtresh | and reload ui |
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| 18:03.17 | Rawxor | cool, so /console reloadui or /reloadui causes it to re-read the scripts from disk |
| 18:03.33 | cog|work | yep. as long as the files existed before wow started |
| 18:03.34 | kdtresh | as long as you haven't changed file names, saved variable names, or added files |
| 18:03.50 | Rawxor | cool |
| 18:04.11 | Rawxor | now i just need an idea! |
| 18:04.20 | Rawxor | however, the good ideas can't be forced |
| 18:04.37 | Rawxor | so i'll just continue to play the game until something comes along that sucks |
| 18:04.41 | kdtresh | my idea has kinda stalled out |
| 18:04.47 | cog|work | or start with a bad idea and maybe you'll have a better one ;) |
| 18:04.50 | Rawxor | haha |
| 18:05.01 | Rawxor | i've been working on an engine with a friend |
| 18:05.08 | Rawxor | we're embedding V8 as the scripting language |
| 18:05.20 | Rawxor | i've _always_ wanted to see javascript as the scripting langauge for a game |
| 18:05.25 | Rawxor | for a game engine* |
| 18:05.57 | Rawxor | we started with SpiderMonkey because we have more experience with it - but couldn't resist V8's OOness |
| 18:06.54 | Rawxor | i've always thought that an addon package manager would be fun |
| 18:07.05 | Rawxor | like wowmatrix or curse - but it's been done |
| 18:07.20 | Rawxor | and maintaining the package database would be a job from hell |
| 18:08.30 | alestane | Wow, it's windy here. |
| 18:08.47 | Rawxor | it's sunny and i'm going swimming later |
| 18:08.56 | Rawxor | gotta love socal |
| 18:09.07 | Rawxor | in fact, i'm going now... ttyl |
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| 18:22.23 | Lopeppeppy | We're at about zero degrees, with 50mph gusts. Very nasty for driving a ballerina car. |
| 18:22.34 | alestane | It's very very windy here too. |
| 18:23.17 | Lopeppeppy | New England is windy? OMG, someone put out a news bulletin. *grin* |
| 18:23.30 | Lopeppeppy | But in spite of the wind, this has been a much warmer winter than last year, all told. |
| 18:23.38 | kdtresh | we had another inch of snow last night, looks like more tonight |
| 18:23.44 | alestane | Alarmingly so. There were obins on the lawn the other day. |
| 18:23.46 | alestane | robins* |
| 18:23.54 | kdtresh | and i need to change my oil, blech |
| 18:24.07 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a lazy girl, kdtresh, I go to oil-changer-people for that. :) |
| 18:24.21 | Lopeppeppy | But I do my own windshield wipers! |
| 18:25.21 | kdtresh | i'm cheap |
| 18:25.30 | kdtresh | synthetic change at jiffy-lube is 60-75 bucks |
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| 18:25.39 | kdtresh | when i do it, it's 40 |
| 18:25.55 | kdtresh | and i know i'm getting a good purolator filter and mobil 1 oil |
| 18:26.28 | kdtresh | cheap > lazy, at least for me, lol |
| 18:26.50 | Fisker | lays eggs inside of Yssaril |
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| 18:35.00 | Yssaril | eats some pesticide |
| 18:35.07 | cog|work | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZwhNFOn4ik |
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| 18:38.05 | Fisker | no cog|work |
| 18:38.15 | Fisker | what did you get me for my birthday? |
| 18:39.05 | cog|work | a crocodile and an alligator |
| 18:39.44 | Fisker | that sucks :/ |
| 18:39.57 | cog|work | NO U! |
| 18:40.00 | cog|work | or |
| 18:40.04 | cog|work | that's what she said? |
| 18:40.20 | Fisker | i don't know |
| 18:51.36 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12025294073&postId=120241216422&sid=1#6 |
| 18:56.40 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: yes, but i'll likely forget |
| 18:56.44 | jnwhiteh | feel free to send a diff =) |
| 18:56.48 | jnwhiteh | otherwise when i get back i'll try to do it |
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| 19:01.09 | Shirik | Random question for anyone. Does anyone think it's in bad form to exploit inheritance to create unit tests? I'm thinking about doing something like class TestWordChoiceGene : public CxxTest::TestSuite, private WordChoiceGene { ... } to be able to override and gain access to some protected functions |
| 19:03.53 | Fisker | jnwhiteh get me a google phone! |
| 19:04.30 | Lopeppeppy | If you can only test it through an exploit, how do you know it will work in a normal situation? |
| 19:09.45 | Fisker | my momma used to say that if you have to use hacks to get a unittest to work then you're doing it wrong |
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| 19:14.05 | durhan | 'course if you |
| 19:14.22 | durhan | 're doing TDD should your code in turn use the exploit? |
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| 19:21.29 | Shirik | not really, I'm just trying to test relationships between functions |
| 19:21.30 | Adys | ~seen Maldivia |
| 19:21.32 | purl | maldivia is currently on #wowuidev (2d 16h 57m 34s), last said: 'interface -> camera -> never adjust'. |
| 19:21.39 | Adys | Maldivia: ping :p |
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| 19:41.35 | Shirik | I own you Java |
| 19:41.37 | Shirik | I own you |
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| 19:42.01 | Dagmar | s/Java/Yugo/; |
| 19:42.09 | Dagmar | Same generalised effectr. |
| 19:42.14 | Dagmar | s/r//; |
| 19:46.11 | Adys | Ive just forgiven the french wow translation team for everything |
| 19:46.22 | Adys | "Perky Pug" -> Groopy |
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| 19:48.59 | Lopeppeppy | My blender just spewed liquified chicken all over my kitchen. I need no further convincing, the antichrist will arrive via my kitchen errors. |
| 19:49.51 | Dagmar | I'm not sure I even want to know why you were blending chicken |
| 19:51.13 | Lopeppeppy | Rosie comes home with a boat load of meds. Needs more gravy to give them to her in, = chicken broth = tossing it and the chicken bits into the blender to liquify the chicken into the broth for best fun. |
| 19:51.42 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 19:51.55 | Dagmar | There's a peanut allergy involved I guess? |
| 19:51.58 | kdtresh | my cat would puke whenever she ate chicken |
| 19:52.11 | Lopeppeppy | Where do peanuts come in, Dagmar? |
| 19:52.28 | Dagmar | I just used peanut butter to give my mom's chihuahua's their pills when they had to take them |
| 19:52.35 | Lopeppeppy | far as I can tell, Rosie doesn't have food allergies, kdtresh, thank the stars. |
| 19:52.36 | Dagmar | My mother was a little mad about that |
| 19:52.51 | Dagmar | She's spent four days trying to pry their little mouths open |
| 19:53.05 | kdtresh | Lopeppeppy: i think it was more the fact that she just puked a lot, lol |
| 19:53.07 | Lopeppeppy | These are all liquids, Dagmar. And I have a serious aversion to peanut butter, so there's none in the house or I'd try that. :) But pets don't need sugar anyway. |
| 19:53.18 | kdtresh | we didn't bother testing to see if it was actually chicken or just for fun |
| 19:53.26 | Lopeppeppy | Cats do toss their cookies a lot. |
| 19:53.33 | Dagmar | I come over, she asks me to give the sick one it's pill, I just went to the cabinet and got out the peanut butter, put a little on a spoon and stuck the pill in it |
| 19:53.35 | kdtresh | she was siamese/himalayan |
| 19:53.41 | kdtresh | and she was the size of a cow |
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| 19:53.51 | Dagmar | Suddenly, all four chihuahas are VERY interested |
| 19:54.14 | Dagmar | You could tell the dog could see the pill stuck in the top, and it didn't care. |
| 19:54.21 | Dagmar | Just yumyumyumyumyum |
| 19:55.11 | Dagmar | Me and small animals get along great |
| 19:55.17 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen dog toys that you're supposed to stuff full of peanut butter, they try their hardest to lick it out through tiny holes. |
| 19:55.26 | Dagmar | It's the big ones that can bite your torso off and pee entire lakes that I have issues with |
| 19:56.15 | Dagmar | It was killing people the coffee house last year when I was dogsitting my sister-in-law's silverback terrier |
| 19:57.03 | Dagmar | ...because I'm usually wearing a lot of black leather and metal, and there I am, drinking my coffee with a tiny little terrier sitting next to me, all brushed and happy, with the sterotypical little pink bow on top of it's head. |
| 19:57.56 | kdtresh | should have called it "spike" or "fang" or something while you were there |
| 19:58.05 | kdtresh | cujo |
| 19:58.22 | kdtresh | or fifi |
| 19:58.41 | Dagmar | My sister-in-law did not find the spiked-collar I bought her little doll-dog very amusing. |
| 19:58.47 | Dagmar | I thought it was hilarious |
| 19:59.18 | Dagmar | ZHehe I'm not allowed to dogsit anymore either. |
| 19:59.44 | Dagmar | When she came over to pick it up, they'd been gone 12 days, and the little thing just looked at her owner like "Who the hell are you? This guy brushes me three times a day!" |
| 20:02.41 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes the owners who fawn the most over their pets are doing the most hideous things for them, healthwise. Feeding them chinese food, and never brushing or washing them... |
| 20:03.51 | Dagmar | We had ferrets in the house, too |
| 20:04.02 | Dagmar | Their diet is picky, so no table scraps for anyone |
| 20:04.18 | Dagmar | Watching two ferrets try to figure out what a silverback terrier is was hilarious tho |
| 20:07.30 | mikma | ~wowalert |
| 20:07.31 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 21:12.13 | m^rk | I'm having a weird issue with a ScrollFrame. The scrollbar works but it's not establishing the maximum vertical scroll range properly, and the vertical scrollbar keeps scrolling like infinitely. You can see the code here http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130789 the print statement at the end prints 0, so somehow the vertical scroll range is not being configured properly. |
| 21:15.00 | m^rk | The source to GetVerticalScrollRange must be in C so I can't see what it's doing. |
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| 21:18.56 | foxlit | what value did you expect? |
| 21:26.50 | m^rk | the height of scrollchild |
| 21:27.50 | alestane | I think it would normally be the amount by which the height of the scrollchild exceeds that of the scrollframe. |
| 21:29.22 | m^rk | yea that makes sense.. let me hardcode a larger height and see what happens. would explain the problem I guess |
| 21:30.23 | alestane | So if you have a scrollframe that's 100 pixels tall and a child that's 300, the range should be 200...I think. |
| 21:32.51 | m^rk | well i set scrollchild's height to 500 larger than the scroll frame and GetVerticalScrollRange() still is returning 0 and it scrolls infinately.. maybe there is something weird with UIPanelScrollFrameTemplate |
| 21:34.06 | alestane | You might want to create the ScrollChild as an actual child of the ScrollFrame, although I would think setting it as the scroll child should take care of that. |
| 21:35.56 | kdtresh | anyone know of a simple xml scrollframe tutorial or sample addon i could take a look at? |
| 21:36.06 | kdtresh | i'm using a fauxscrollframe right now and it's behaving oddly |
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| 21:38.12 | m^rk | another thing is that it doesn't seem to matter what the height or width I set, as long as it's not 0, it always fully fills up the scroll frame, i can set both to .1 and it still fills up the scrollframe |
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| 21:40.42 | m^rk | changing from UIParent to ScrollFrame as the parent of scrollchild didn't seem to have any effect |
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| 21:47.09 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_scrollable_list_using_FauxScrollFrameTemplate << just brush the dust off it first, kdtresh. |
| 21:50.21 | kdtresh | foxlit: i think that's where i got my fauxscroll working, but i thought fauxscroll was bad juju |
| 21:50.31 | kdtresh | ~fauxscrollframe |
| 21:50.31 | purl | [fauxscrollframe] one of the first Lua/XML systems written by Blizzard for the WoW user interface. Its learning curve resembles an inverted L, and Zootfizzle hates it. Along with cogs, it is in the top five on his "dead to me" list. Mikk says: Just use a Slider. |
| 21:50.56 | alestane | The thing to remember is that FauxScrollFrame is a memory conservation hack. |
| 21:51.06 | kdtresh | if my fauxscrollframe was working fine i'd be happy, but it's not cooperating |
| 21:51.28 | kdtresh | when i have a list that actually requires it to scroll, it works fine, until i close it |
| 21:51.44 | kdtresh | when i open it, it's like all the elements are disabled, no tooltips work, can't click anything |
| 21:52.00 | kdtresh | still scrolls fine and displays the items properly, but it's like they're inactive |
| 21:52.20 | kdtresh | no problem if my list is below the displayed lines |
| 21:53.14 | kdtresh | my frame is 10 lines high, and any list up to 10 items is fine closed and opened |
| 21:53.36 | kdtresh | if i have an 11th item, it works fine initially, but it's borked if i close it and reopen it |
| 21:56.04 | kdtresh | until i remove the 11th item and refresh the frame, then it all comes back |
| 22:16.19 | jnwhiteh | alestane: I would hardly say that.. |
| 22:16.28 | jnwhiteh | I think that's quite unfair, actually. |
| 22:16.54 | jnwhiteh | Learning how to use FSF's is fairly simple.. read the chapter in the book and don't look at any blizzard code. |
| 22:19.49 | WobWork | http://bit.ly/xHUg and http://bit.ly/10W5k |
| 22:20.13 | Fisker | and don't you forget jnwhiteh |
| 22:20.23 | alestane | And is there something FSF simplifies or enhances or building your own scroll frame? I've only done one piece of work that involves them, so I can't claim to be all that expert. |
| 22:20.34 | jnwhiteh | alestane: its a UI convention |
| 22:20.39 | jnwhiteh | sometimes you want fluid scrollign frames |
| 22:20.52 | jnwhiteh | other times you want a list that uses the same rows to display it's data. |
| 22:21.28 | alestane | So, you would advocate using FSF specifically when you want row contents to change without moving the rows themselves? |
| 22:21.44 | jnwhiteh | first, i dont' advocate using FSF |
| 22:21.51 | jnwhiteh | the templates are fucked and make things 10 times more difficult than they need to be. |
| 22:22.13 | Fisker | don't forget it jnwhiteh |
| 22:22.16 | jnwhiteh | they're simple when you do them yourselves |
| 22:22.39 | jnwhiteh | and I'd use them when I don't want a clipped visual window that scrolls |
| 22:22.52 | alestane | I was always under the impression that the reason for FSFT's existence was to be able to represent a list with many elements without having to create a comparable number of frames. |
| 22:23.37 | jnwhiteh | that's a benefit. |
| 22:23.42 | jnwhiteh | but there are reasons you would want to do that in the first palce. |
| 22:23.50 | jnwhiteh | if your data has no meaning when only half of it is displayed |
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| 22:26.24 | Adys | DB pros: I have, lets say, 40 boolean values to store in my database. What's more efficient, storing them in a single bigint and doing binary operations on them on the application side, or storing them as 40 booleans and doing relational ops in the application? |
| 22:27.37 | alestane | Probably depends on the frequency of the operations and what you're trying to optimize for. |
| 22:28.17 | Adys | we assume I optimize for speed, and I access most of them all the time |
| 22:28.23 | alestane | And what sort of database it is and what you're doing the processing with. |
| 22:28.26 | Adys | pg |
| 22:29.34 | Adys | the real question would more likely be, is there any true benefit in storing booleans inside a bigint rather than as boolean |
| 22:29.41 | alestane | If you're optimizing for speed, I would expect storing them separately. Otherwise, to write one flag, you have to read the old compressed bitfield out before you can toggle the bit and write the field back. |
| 22:30.08 | alestane | Space, possibly, if your database uses 1-4 bytes to store a boolean. |
| 22:31.27 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=how+many+bytes+does+postgresql+need+to+store+a+boolean |
| 22:31.28 | Adys | Dammit |
| 22:31.32 | Adys | it gives me results for oracles |
| 22:31.39 | Adys | you disappoint me, google |
| 22:32.26 | Adys | oracle)* |
| 22:32.40 | Thunder_Child | it's not google Adys, it's just you |
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| 22:35.21 | Shirik | huh, I didn't know there was a punctuation mark for irony |
| 22:35.29 | Shirik | irony or sarcasm, Ø |
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| 22:36.39 | kdtresh | http://despair.com/irony.html |
| 22:37.02 | Shirik | rofl |
| 22:42.09 | Adys | http://despair.com/ididntdoit.html |
| 22:43.28 | kdtresh | despair is good stuff |
| 22:44.13 | kdtresh | http://despair.com/marketing.html |
| 22:44.18 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:44.20 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 22:54.23 | durhan | kdtresh: nice link ⦠painfully true for my job ... |
| 22:55.32 | kdtresh | http://despair.com/med24x30prin.html is another one |
| 22:56.10 | Fisker | you wouldn't kd3 |
| 22:56.22 | kd3 | I wouldn't what, fisker? |
| 22:56.55 | Fisker | give me a birthday gift |
| 22:57.00 | kd3 | indeed |
| 22:57.16 | Fisker | You're supposed to rebel and give me a gift kd3 |
| 22:57.24 | Fisker | teach me that you won't be a part of my system |
| 22:57.57 | Fisker | that'll teach me |
| 22:59.58 | Adys | wheres cide or nevcairiel when you need them |
| 23:00.50 | Mikk | uh |
| 23:00.56 | Mikk | how are those two connected? |
| 23:01.21 | Adys | they're both decent with python |
| 23:01.27 | Mikk | flees |
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| 23:02.18 | Adys | Mikk: I'm just kidding, they're actually connected in a pseudophysical way, through laws far beyond human understanding |
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| 23:04.55 | Kraps | Adys: what is? |
| 23:05.59 | Adys | what is what? |
| 23:06.20 | Fisker | in b4 hhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 23:06.52 | Kraps | Adys: what is connected in a pseudophysical way? |
| 23:07.12 | Adys | .. |
| 23:07.23 | Adys | that was a joke, sir |
| 23:08.29 | Kraps | dont call me sir, i work for a living |
| 23:11.08 | Thunder_Child | no, you work for a life |
| 23:11.49 | Shirik | Anyone see what's wrong with this? http://codepad.org/ya3bYuWx |
| 23:14.13 | foxlit | It's C++. |
| 23:14.47 | Shirik | .. |
| 23:14.56 | durhan | is T* supposed to be a pointer variable on an m_object object? |
| 23:15.23 | durhan | C in this case? |
| 23:15.50 | Shirik | C::T* is supposed to be a pointer-to-member |
| 23:15.59 | Shirik | in this particular case, Foo::int |
| 23:16.15 | cbreak | I think I read about that in that strostrup book |
| 23:16.40 | cbreak | isn't C::T a type defined in C? |
| 23:16.51 | cbreak | like vector<int>::iterator |
| 23:17.14 | Shirik | I found half of the problem: There's an ambiguity where I need to specify the keyword "typename" to clarify |
| 23:17.21 | Shirik | But I thought this should fix it and it doesn't: http://codepad.org/PAefwlnh |
| 23:18.05 | WobWork | oh god =( |
| 23:18.10 | WobWork | I have to stop reading the forums |
| 23:18.20 | Shirik | damn it and I left my stroustrup book at home... |
| 23:20.14 | cbreak | doesn't it mean |
| 23:20.18 | cbreak | C::T I mean |
| 23:20.24 | cbreak | that C defines a new type T? |
| 23:21.09 | Shirik | People in ##c++ say what I want to do isn't possible (without macros instead of templates) so I'm just going to force T to always be a float, no big deal |
| 23:21.12 | cbreak | I mean, can't you use "const T* m_member;" instead of what you have now? |
| 23:22.06 | cbreak | or make C define a type ::T |
| 23:22.12 | Shirik | no |
| 23:22.16 | Shirik | there is a big difference |
| 23:22.23 | cbreak | class Foo { typedef T int; T a; } |
| 23:22.30 | Shirik | It MUST be Foo::int |
| 23:24.21 | cbreak | ok... why? :) |
| 23:25.14 | Shirik | because I'm not looking for the int |
| 23:25.22 | Shirik | let me give you a use case |
| 23:29.30 | Shirik | cbreak: http://codepad.org/WDzGQmYX |
| 23:30.05 | Shirik | however, I figured it out. What I wanted was http://codepad.org/NlIXfzZP |
| 23:30.33 | durhan | i HATE c++ syntax ... |
| 23:30.49 | Shirik | durhan: How can you hate it. No other language that I'm aware of even has this functionality |
| 23:31.40 | cbreak | I've never before seen such an abuse of C++ language... :) |
| 23:31.46 | Shirik | It's not abuse... |
| 23:31.54 | durhan | Shirik: yeah, i know it's a very powerful language ⦠it lacks intuitiveness though ⦠|
| 23:32.09 | Shirik | It's not a typically used mechanism, but it's also useful where it is used |
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| 23:32.35 | Shirik | In this particular case, I have a problem where I need to update a variable based on an object, but it's not the object I care about but rather something inside that object |
| 23:32.56 | Shirik | so I can't use a pointer (as I did originally) because the object updating means the address needs to update, but I don't know the address |
| 23:33.00 | cbreak | How is " const T C::* m_member;" called? |
| 23:33.07 | Shirik | like how do you say it? |
| 23:33.10 | cbreak | constant pointer to T? |
| 23:33.26 | Shirik | a pointer to a constant T member of C |
| 23:33.40 | Shirik | in the sample case, a pointer to a constant integer member of C |
| 23:33.50 | cbreak | so that pointer can only point to members of C that are of type T? |
| 23:34.04 | Shirik | correct, and it points to the member, not to the actual value |
| 23:34.14 | Shirik | most implementations implement this as an offset from the object's base |
| 23:34.23 | cbreak | wicked |
| 23:34.41 | cbreak | you cold probably violate private: with that :) |
| 23:35.00 | Shirik | well, you can't create a pointer to a private member unless you have that access :) |
| 23:35.10 | Shirik | But if someone with private access happens to expose a pointer to a private member, then sure |
| 23:35.13 | cbreak | yeah, but you can pass it along |
| 23:35.15 | Shirik | yup |
| 23:35.27 | Shirik | but that's intentional :) And good use of OO if done correctly |
| 23:35.39 | NeoTron | I wondered something the other day - whether the new WoW 4.0 cataclysm world will have less old world quests |
| 23:35.43 | Shirik | Because then the users of that member know nothing about where it came from or what it is, just what they need to do with it |
| 23:35.55 | NeoTron | basically there are so many unnecessary quests now due to the faster leveling speed |
| 23:35.59 | foxlit | Hm. The AH price of gems is just incredible. |
| 23:36.39 | cbreak | Shirik: you need both that member pointer and a pointer to a class? |
| 23:36.53 | cbreak | so you could use it for other instances of that type |
| 23:36.59 | durhan | Shirik: does this provide automatic updates as the attribute on T changes, similar to a "bindable" variable? or do you need to explicitly update it? |
| 23:37.59 | Shirik | durcyn: Sorry I'm not sure what you mean |
| 23:38.02 | Shirik | cbreak: Yup |
| 23:38.05 | Shirik | if you look at the code |
| 23:38.10 | Shirik | foo.*member |
| 23:38.15 | Shirik | foo being the object, member being the pointer-to-member |
| 23:38.26 | Shirik | if foo were a pointer, then it would be foo->*member |
| 23:38.31 | cbreak | yeah. It looks so unlike the C++ features I used up to now :) |
| 23:39.27 | SNiLD | well yeah and you probably never need to use such syntax as there are several ways to achieve same functionality with maintaining readability |
| 23:39.52 | Shirik | I would love for you to try to find another way to resolve my current problem :) |
| 23:40.14 | Shirik | but, to start, take that sample problem and do it without a pointer-to-member |
| 23:41.09 | Shirik | afkz |
| 23:41.41 | cbreak | you could require Foo (C) to implement it's print method itself. .) |
| 23:41.49 | cbreak | virtual! |
| 23:42.09 | SNiLD | no need, the "int" from Foo can be templated for example |
| 23:43.02 | cbreak | yeah, but how do you template WHICH of them? |
| 23:43.22 | cbreak | there could be several ints in that Foo |
| 23:43.59 | SNiLD | the given solution doesn't take that into account either |
| 23:44.01 | cbreak | if Foo would have to implement it, it would be offloaded to something that has access to it's own privates |
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| 23:53.53 | Shirik | SNiLD: Sure it does |
| 23:54.02 | Shirik | the constructor takes a member which specifies which int |
| 23:54.29 | Shirik | Furthermore, you can't exploit inheritance, because the object could change |
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| 23:56.17 | Shirik | loves Tiesto |
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