IRC log for #wowuidev on 20091227

`00:01.48`	`Kraps`	`evening`
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`00:05.03`	`Kraps`	`so there was an attempted terror attack today?`
`00:05.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yesterday, as I hear it, Christmas Day.`
`00:05.45`	`Wobin`	`was this the same one that set off a firework?`
`00:05.58`	`Wobin`	`I heard of one as an incendary device, and an earlier one as a firework`
`00:06.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I believe it's all the same one, Wobin, guy on a flight to Detroit on Christmas Day.`
`00:06.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Fireworks are incendiary devices, after all, when you get down to it.`
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`00:06.53`	`Wobin`	`true, just the terminology used`
`00:07.03`	`Wobin`	`and the intention =)`
`00:07.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Expect a lot of misinformation, downplay, and hype in the first 24 hours... I doubt any story will have it correct for a day or two, at least.`
`00:08.26`	`Wobin`	`"It was Santa!"`
`00:08.36`	`Wobin`	`"No, it was just one of the elves"`
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`00:12.58`	`Adys`	`Wobin: there is a lot of disturbing things on that page`
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`00:28.30`	`zenzelezz`	`Lopeppeppy: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/26/funny-pictures-cuteness-2/`
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`00:29.39`	`bleeter`	`I still don't get why they let people with laptop batteries on planes`
`00:29.53`	`bleeter`	`or for that matter, reading glasses (break off an arm, stab someone in the face)`
`00:30.11`	`Wobin`	`or clothes!`
`00:30.20`	`Wobin`	`Actually, having seen some passengers, I can see why`
`00:30.31`	`zenzelezz`	`bleeter: if you disallow reading glasses, you're have to disallow regular glasses too`
`00:30.32`	`theorbtwo`	`Clearly, the solution is to not allow passengers on planes.`
`00:30.33`	`bleeter`	`Weird Al was tweeting earlier that the security folks made him take off his pants`
`00:30.48`	`zenzelezz`	`bleeter: but more to the point, they allow ball point pens and other already sharp objects`
`00:30.50`	`bleeter`	`zenzelezz: you're not just a cute nick, are you ;)`
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`00:31.11`	`amro`	`worse still, they give you plastic sporks`
`00:31.16`	`zenzelezz`	`bleeter: the intarwebs is a srs place!`
`00:35.06`	`bleeter`	`amro: and beyond spork, there's always a quick knee to the ghoulies`
`00:35.43`	`amro`	`yeah, they should stop anyone who looks like they can knock out with a hook from boarding a plane`
`00:35.46`	`bleeter`	`i'm near convinced the banalatiy of these 'attacks' is to wear us down in to a jibbering mess, rather than instill any fear or terror`
`00:36.27`	`Iriel`	`We'll reach the point where "Passenger speaks loudly out of turn on flight into denver" makes the news.`
`00:36.52`	`Iriel`	`"Al-queda claimed responsibility for the attack, having directed their operatives to "cause a ruckus over US soil""`
`00:36.59`	`bleeter`	`or mumbling under one's breath about the 'quality' of the 'food'`
`00:37.17`	`zenzelezz`	`"Farting man detained for chemical warfare"`
`00:37.31`	`zenzelezz`	`(or would it be biological?)`
`00:37.37`	`bleeter`	`both`
`00:37.45`	`bleeter`	`weapon of mass destruction, either way`
`00:37.59`	`bleeter`	`maybe that's why they couldn't find Saddam's... he gave up the beans`
`00:40.37`	`bleeter`	`belches and afks`
`00:40.51`	`zenzelezz`	`notifies the CIA`
`00:42.43`	`Adys`	`I have a dead ext3 partition on an external hd; the data is there but its unreadable as the mbr is gone`
`00:42.48`	`Adys`	`any idea on how to recover?`
`00:45.19`	`Iriel`	`What does the MBR have to do with anything, you're not trying to boot it`
`00:45.24`	`Iriel`	`Do you mean the superblock? the partition table?`
`00:45.32`	`Adys`	`erm`
`00:45.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You don't have to have an MBR on a disk to use it`
`00:45.48`	`Iriel`	`I'd guess the partition table?`
`00:45.49`	`Adys`	`Well something was nuked and its not data`
`00:45.52`	`Adys`	`Possibly`
`00:46.00`	`Iriel`	`what does fdisk have to say?`
`00:46.04`	`Iriel`	`does the disk think it has a partition?`
`00:46.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`fdisk -l /dev/sdX`
`00:46.17`	`Kandoko`	`MFT or ext equivalent?`
`00:46.20`	`Adys`	`adys@azura:~/src/bzr/wdbc$ fdisk -l /dev/sdc`
`00:46.20`	`Adys`	`Cannot open /dev/sdc`
`00:46.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`dmesg`
`00:46.32`	`Iriel`	`Well, that means you have no drive sdc`
`00:46.38`	`Iriel`	`Or you'renot root`
`00:46.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`or it is spitting out I/O errors`
`00:46.53`	`Iriel`	`Or that, yes`
`00:46.53`	`Adys`	`oh root`
`00:47.28`	`Adys`	`http://dpaste.com/138096/`
`00:47.57`	`Iriel`	`And you're SURE that used to be ext3?`
`00:48.04`	`Adys`	`positive`
`00:48.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`t`
`00:48.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`82`
`00:48.14`	`Iriel`	`try (as root) /sbin/fsck.ext3 /dev/sdc1`
`00:48.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`w`
`00:48.36`	`Iriel`	`But dont blindly say yes to anything it asks`
`00:48.44`	`Iriel`	`just see if it thinks there's something easily recoverable`
`00:48.48`	`Adys`	`http://dpaste.com/138097/`
`00:49.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`file /dev/sdc1`
`00:49.16`	`Iriel`	`http://blog.edseek.com/archives/2004/02/25/ext3-filesystem-bad-superblock-recovery/`
`00:49.29`	`Adys`	`/dev/sdc1: block special`
`00:49.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`blah, forgot about that`
`00:50.52`	`Adys`	`Iriel: gonna try that`
`00:50.58`	`Iriel`	`Out of interest, what did you do to it?`
`00:51.24`	`Dagmar`	`Dude, if fdisk can't list out the partitions then nothing will come of trying to fsck the filesystem`
`00:51.26`	`Iriel`	`There might be a tool out there which can ferret out the superblock backup(s) by their content as well, no idea`
`00:51.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Dagmar: it lists the partitions`
`00:51.35`	`Iriel`	`Dagmar: fdisk did just fine`
`00:51.38`	`Adys`	`misclick on "format", no confirmation dialog, no way to cancel, promptly killed the app`
`00:51.40`	`Dagmar`	See if hdparm can even talk to it. `hdparm -i /dev/sdc`
`00:51.48`	`Adys`	`fucker didnt even require root privs`
`00:51.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`hey dumb question`
`00:52.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`unplug the drive, turn it off, turn it on, plug it in`
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`00:52.10`	`amro`	`Adys: which app?`
`00:52.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`tried that?`
`00:52.25`	`Adys`	`amro: debian's usb creator`
`00:52.29`	`Adys`	`ScytheBlade1: ya`
`00:52.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`What distro?`
`00:52.50`	`Dagmar`	`Iriel: It did something other than the "Cannot open /dev/sdc" Hmm...`
`00:52.53`	`Adys`	`kde karmic`
`00:52.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ha`
`00:53.04`	`Iriel`	`Dagmar: the cannot open disk was when he wasn't root`
`00:53.05`	`amro`	`kubuntu*`
`00:53.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So who knows, maybe it bumped itself up to root without asking you!`
`00:53.10`	`Dagmar`	`I'm still scrolling back through the backscroll`
`00:53.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`good ol' ubuntu`
`00:53.21`	`Adys`	`i dont say kubuntu, the fucker pisses me off too much`
`00:53.31`	`amro`	`kde is not a distro`
`00:53.34`	`Dagmar`	`WEll, it's a Windows filesystem now`
`00:53.47`	`zenzelezz`	`I remember accidentally formatting floppies back in Amiga Workbench. Good to know technology has progressed`
`00:54.03`	`Adys`	`amro: Im running kde on karmic`
`00:54.25`	`Adys`	`this was originally a gnome install so its more of an ukbuntu than anything`
`00:54.26`	`amro`	`the distro is still ubuntu`
`00:54.38`	`Adys`	`care`
`00:54.43`	`amro`	`even kubuntu is just ubuntu with some different packages`
`00:54.57`	`Adys`	`kourabiedes > kubuntu`
`00:55.01`	`Dagmar`	`With respect to thumb drives, the security model assumes if you're the person who is logged in at the console, and you plugged in a thumbdrive, it's probably _your_ thumbdrive to do with as you please.`
`00:55.22`	`amro`	`with respect to formatting, it should be a red fucking button`
`00:55.31`	`Adys`	`with a red fucking confirmation dialog`
`00:55.45`	`Dagmar`	`You have to find the drive, select it, right click, and pick format`
`00:55.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Nah, it shouldn't bump itself up to root without asking you`
`00:55.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`and/or it should get a decent security model`
`00:55.55`	`Adys`	`god knows i hate confirmation dialogs but not have one when formatting a partition`
`00:55.57`	`Adys`	`Dagmar: no`
`00:55.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`rock on ubuntu`
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`00:56.05`	`Dagmar`	`How many hoops should you have to erroneously jump through to erase disposable media`
`00:56.05`	`Dagmar`	`?`
`00:56.13`	`Adys`	`Fuck you, did you even try the app?`
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`00:56.24`	`Adys`	`the hd was selected and format was highlighted by default`
`00:56.25`	`Dagmar`	`I have Ubuntu installed on a couple of partitions`
`00:56.27`	`Adys`	`i mis pressed enter`
`00:56.30`	`Adys`	`thats all I had to fucking do`
`00:56.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`it probably did ask to bump up to root, except it was for some other app and it remembers that youve already allowed it to bump something to root`
`00:56.37`	`Adys`	`what are you defending an app you dont know shit about?`
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`00:56.56`	`Dagmar`	`HAHAHAHAHA`
`00:57.00`	`amro`	`Arrowmaster: that pisses me off, is there any way to disable that?`
`00:57.10`	`Dagmar`	`Dude, do you know I've built Gnome from source on Slackware like 30-40 times?`
`00:57.21`	`Adys`	`why the fucking shit do I care?`
`00:57.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`probably, its something with policykit`
`00:57.26`	`Dagmar`	`I'm the guy in particular who built the PAM packages and tied all that stuff in together.`
`00:57.32`	`Dagmar`	`I do damn well know what Ubuntu is doing there.`
`00:57.43`	`Adys`	`how the hell is that related?`
`00:57.48`	`Dagmar`	`....and you want to claim I don't know what it's doing.`
`00:57.49`	`Dagmar`	`HAH`
`00:57.50`	`Adys`	`grow an epeen elsewhere`
`00:57.58`	`Adys`	`and install the fucking app`
`00:58.10`	`Dagmar`	`Why'ncha just go and tell Chuck Norris to learn to hit people while you're at it`
`00:58.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`mmm, IRC rage`
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`00:58.52`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I don't really see how "i have built a lot of linux packages" translates into "i know this particular app does or does not have a confirmation dialog"`
`00:58.56`	`Adys`	`Dagmar: how about you quit being a total jerk about gnome just "cuz you built it"`
`00:59.10`	`Adys`	`and try an app you probably never opened in your life`
`00:59.13`	`Dagmar`	`ZorbaTHut: It's because I am the reason Dropline GNOME has that same functionality available.`
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`00:59.29`	`Dagmar`	`...and he wants to accuse me of not knowing something I've spent dozens of hours working on specifically.`
`00:59.33`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`Merry Fucking Christmas and Happy Fucking New Year to you guys too`
`00:59.49`	`Adys`	`Dagmar: sudo apt-get install usb-creator-kde`
`00:59.51`	`Cairenn`	`glad to see peace and goodwill is the usual order of the day`
`00:59.51`	`Adys`	`hit enter`
`01:00.01`	`Tuller`	`_scared_`
`01:00.18`	`Adys`	`and make sure you got a drive with important data plugged in I wanna see you cry when the makefilepeen falls down`
`01:00.28`	`ZorbaTHut`	`but you actually seem to be agreeing that it doesn't have a confirmation dialog`
`01:00.33`	`zenzelezz`	`Cairenn: I still love you`
`01:00.44`	`Cairenn`	`hugs zenzelezz`
`01:00.44`	`ZorbaTHut`	`and, honestly, Dagmar> You have to find the drive, select it, right click, and pick format`
`01:01.02`	`ZorbaTHut`	`so in other words, you have to do a bunch of things you were planning to do anyway, and then slightly jog the mouse in the wrong direction when clicking`
`01:01.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`shares some eggnog with Cairenn.`
`01:01.13`	`ZorbaTHut`	`if a slight mis-aim of the mouse can format an entire drive, it's bad design.`
`01:01.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Lopeppeppy: you best fill that with various alcohols`
`01:01.26`	`Dagmar`	`Either way, it doesn't need root for it. And the argument that I don't know what Ubuntu is doing there is still ludicrous`
`01:01.30`	`Cairenn`	`smacks everyone upside the head with her joyful clue-by-four`
`01:01.38`	`Dagmar`	`I'm sure you're pissed you just deleted all your data, but grow a pair and stop taking it out on other people`
`01:01.40`	`Adys`	`Dagmar: will you fucking drop it?`
`01:01.50`	`ZorbaTHut`	`it sounds like awful design to me, I'd blame that on the UI designers too :P`
`01:01.52`	`Adys`	`you dont know "what ubuntu does"`
`01:01.54`	`amro`	`Dagmar: fine, you know what it's doing, so that means you're being a dick on purpose?`
`01:02.01`	`Cairenn`	`everyone is going to drop it in a moment, I'm about to +m the channel if it doesn't stop`
`01:02.08`	`Dagmar`	`amro: No, I was actually looking into the issue to see if there was something that could be done`
`01:02.25`	`Dagmar`	`But that'll be the last fucking time I try to help`
`01:02.27`	`mikma`	`what's going on, eh`
`01:02.39`	`Adys`	`theres no issue, iriel helped me, if I cant recover it its a bunch of movies I already watched Im losing`
`01:02.49`	`Adys`	`and you didn't try to help`
`01:02.51`	`zenzelezz`	`mikma: Adys had a problem, then hell broke loose`
`01:02.57`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+m] by Cairenn`
`01:03.06`	`Shirik`	`In other words, stfu`
`01:03.11`	`Cairenn`	`seriously guys, what is with all the arguing in here these days?`
`01:03.22`	`Cairenn`	`it's getting more than just a little frigging tedious`
`01:03.25`	`Cairenn`	`behave`
`01:03.29`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [-m] by Cairenn`
`01:04.00`	`mikma`	`ooh, aah`
`01:04.11`	`mikma`	`i love being gagballedw`
`01:04.22`	`Shirik`	`by Cairenn, no less`
`01:04.24`	`Corrodias2`	`come on over to my place some night`
`01:04.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`THERE'S BUTTER ON MY FACE`
`01:04.27`	`Kalroth`	`Mikk: 4 strength 4 stamina leather belt`
`01:04.32`	`zenzelezz`	`I refer you all to this again, http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/26/funny-pictures-cuteness-2/`
`01:04.33`	`Kalroth`	`er, mikma`
`01:04.38`	`Iriel`	`Do many folks here read the Lua list mailing list, and if so, does spir annoy the hell out of you because he's constantly trying to turn Lua into not-lua`
`01:04.39`	`Kalroth`	`too many miks!`
`01:04.49`	`Iriel`	`Or am I alone in my irritation?`
`01:04.54`	`ZorbaTHut`	`iriel, I don't, but got a link to an example? 'cause I'm curious :)`
`01:04.54`	`Shirik`	`yes Iriel, in fact I have stopped reading lua-l lately because of recent activity`
`01:04.56`	`zenzelezz`	`Iriel: "not-Lua"? In what way?`
`01:05.16`	`Iriel`	`He's constantly posting "Lua does X like Y, and not like Z, why does't it do Z" posts`
`01:05.19`	`Iriel`	`like, one or two a week`
`01:05.44`	`Iriel`	`http://spir.wikidot.com/create-vs-change`
`01:05.50`	`Iriel`	`Here, for example, is one of his current ones`
`01:05.54`	`zenzelezz`	`hi i came from php lua is so awesome but why does it not work like php pls fix!!!`
`01:05.55`	`Kalroth`	`In all fairness I think Lua lacks support for inline assembly and/or direct access to the registers`
`01:06.15`	`amro`	`and pointer arithmetic`
`01:06.22`	`Adys`	`zenzelezz: <?lua ?>`
`01:06.24`	`Adys`	`you know you want it`
`01:06.30`	`zenzelezz`	`lol`
`01:06.31`	`cbreak`	`you can do all of that with C side`
`01:06.55`	`cbreak`	`lua even has it's own registry`
`01:07.05`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Chex Mix kicks ass. Just sayin'.`
`01:07.05`	`cbreak`	`no need to rely on arbitrarily named CPU registers`
`01:07.06`	`Kalroth`	`but C side isn't Lua`
`01:07.23`	`Kalroth`	`(also I thought I was obvious enough in my trolling, but .. :)`
`01:07.50`	`cbreak`	`honestly, try it. Lua's C bindings are fairly easy`
`01:08.10`	`Kalroth`	`Yes, the Lua API is very simple`
`01:08.13`	`cbreak`	`and you could use inline asm or an assembler that exports C-Linkable methods`
`01:08.19`	`Kalroth`	`siiiiigh!`
`01:08.25`	`Kalroth`	`stop trolling me already!`
`01:10.10`	`Shirik`	`gives Kalroth a troll doll`
`01:10.17`	`zenzelezz`	`someone should embed PHP in Lua for 1st April`
`01:10.31`	`Kalroth`	`awww, the cutest troll shaman ever`
`01:10.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Does it have fuzzy pink hairs?`
`01:10.53`	`Kalroth`	`I'll name her .. Jamaigirl`
`01:10.57`	`zenzelezz`	`Lopeppeppy: only in some places`
`01:11.00`	`Kalroth`	`She got pink tusks!`
`01:11.14`	`Adys`	`Iriel: that dd command builds a 4gb file, shouldnt it be bigger?`
`01:12.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`what dd command?`
`01:12.30`	`Kalroth`	`bra size`
`01:12.31`	`Adys`	`dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/rec bs=1024 count=3940844`
`01:12.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`zenzelezz!`
`01:12.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats 4 gigs`
`01:13.02`	`Iriel`	`Adys: if you're following the 'intent' of the article it would be the same size as your drive, that assumes of course that you have enough space, on a drive for that.`
`01:13.03`	`zenzelezz`	`Lopeppeppy: hey, that was innocent unless you chose to read it that way`
`01:13.22`	`Adys`	`Iriel: thats what I was thinking`
`01:13.29`	`Kalroth`	`4035424256 bytes to be exact!`
`01:14.08`	`Adys`	`Iriel: fdisk showed 3940844 blocks though`
`01:14.15`	`Tuller`	`perhaps spir just makes a lot of typos`
`01:14.17`	`Iriel`	`http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Advanced_Find_ext2_ext3_Backup_SuperBlock`
`01:14.23`	`Iriel`	`Maybe this would be more useful to you`
`01:14.30`	`Adys`	`mmk`
`01:14.49`	`Iriel`	`BEar in mind i'm just finding potentially useful articles, I dont trash filesystems that often anymore (once or twice bitten, multiple times shy)`
`01:15.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive got a bunch of drives that need recovered but theyre all ntfs`
`01:15.58`	`Dagmar`	`Trashed hardware or data?`
`01:16.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Adys: last ditch effort, after all has failed you, is to run fsck and hope it can pull 'dead' data back into file form`
`01:16.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(which would be placed in /lost+found on the drive)`
`01:16.36`	`Iriel`	`ScytheBlade1: fsck gave up`
`01:16.41`	`Iriel`	`ScytheBlade1: we tried that way earlier`
`01:16.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Oh it did? awesome`
`01:17.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`entirely unrelated but awesome: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ff2_1261805235`
`01:18.09`	`Iriel`	`It can't find the superblock in the usual place, thus Adys' search for the backup superblock to point fsck in its direction`
`01:18.41`	`Adys`	`actually`
`01:19.48`	`Adys`	`ok this is a lot better`
`01:19.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`luckily ext* stores multiple backups of the superblock so you should be able to recover`
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`01:20.09`	`Adys`	`sdc became sdb when i tried to replug`
`01:20.29`	`Adys`	`its still showing up as W95 FAT32 for some reason`
`01:20.40`	`Dagmar`	`Gosh`
`01:20.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`that's just a byte on the MBR`
`01:20.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`fdisk /dev/sdX; t; 82; w`
`01:21.09`	`Adys`	`what?`
`01:21.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`err`
`01:21.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`83`
`01:21.30`	`zenzelezz`	`changing partition type to linux?`
`01:21.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`will change the partition type to 'Linux'`
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`01:21.52`	`Adys`	`shouldnt matter`
`01:22.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`nope`
`01:22.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`not in the least`
`01:23.15`	`Adys`	`Iriel: fsck is a bit friendlier with sdb1 now`
`01:23.27`	`Adys`	`Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks... /dev/sdb1 was not cleanly unmounted, check forced. Resize inode not valid. Recreate<y>?`
`01:23.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`Iriel: im confused on that spir page you linked, is he complaining that you cant iterate over a table in lua and change the values directly because the k,v are local?`
`01:24.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`Adys: thats a flash drive right?`
`01:24.17`	`Adys`	`usb external drive`
`01:24.33`	`Iriel`	`Adys: awesome -- now I guess you have to decide whether or not you want to hit 'y' for each thing.. since you're desparate you probably do. Good luck.`
`01:24.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok so external harddrive and not a flash drive?`
`01:25.07`	`Adys`	`well its not much lost either way, so might as well`
`01:25.10`	`Adys`	`ya Arrowmaster`
`01:25.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`so then why did it change from sdc to sdb?`
`01:26.00`	`Adys`	`probably because i did have flash drives last time i plugged it in`
`01:26.05`	`Dagmar`	`Arrowmaster: Because external devices are dynamically assigned letters based on use`
`01:26.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`Dagmar: i know, everything is dynamic with udev`
`01:27.05`	`Adys`	`I /really/ pondered getting another 1tb external drives`
`01:27.08`	`Adys`	`they're just so handy`
`01:27.26`	`Adys`	`and cheap as hell too, around 75 euros`
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`01:30.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`kinda wants to build a high-power 802.11n wifi network`
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`01:31.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`oh, neat, 802.11n can do 600mbit`
`01:31.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Whyfor?`
`01:31.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Lopeppeppy: super fast wireless... for my laptop, it would be faster than my wired connection`
`01:31.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`By about 3x`
`01:32.00`	`Dagmar`	`ScytheBlade1: If you live more or less alone and by yourself in the country`
`01:32.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Dude, I'd love a faster wireless for my laptop. Come build me one too!`
`01:32.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Dagmar: forget that, I'll just wage wireless warefare on my neighbors.`
`01:32.24`	`Adys`	`ScytheBlade1: .11n faster than a good ethernet cable.. doubt it`
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`01:32.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Adys: 300mbit vs 100mbit NIC`
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`01:32.43`	`Dagmar`	`ScytheBlade1: Works for me. :)`
`01:32.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`s/300mbit/300mbit wifi NIC/`
`01:32.54`	`Adys`	`ScytheBlade1: plenty of 1gbit eth cables around`
`01:33.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Adys: no gigabit NIC in the laptop!`
`01:33.06`	`Corrodias2`	`you also need a 1gb router`
`01:33.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Just wifi-N!`
`01:33.07`	`Adys`	`shucks.`
`01:33.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`fail laptop`
`01:33.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Fail laptop indeed`
`01:33.18`	`Adys`	`and, your devices have to support optimal .11n`
`01:33.20`	`Corrodias2`	`mine only does 100, i'm pretty sure`
`01:33.35`	`Adys`	`which isn't the case of many routers, cards and what not`
`01:33.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`who the fuck puts .11n but only a 10/100 nic`
`01:33.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I can do the .n on .a channels, which would alleviate a lot of that`
`01:33.55`	`Corrodias2`	`well, g is limited to 54mbps, right?`
`01:33.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Arrowmaster: dell small business`
`01:33.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Corrodias2: yes`
`01:34.05`	`Corrodias2`	`and it's split among the devices using it?`
`01:34.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`yes`
`01:34.16`	`ScytheBlade1`	`in addition to overlapping channels`
`01:34.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`g spec is 54mbps, theres vendor specific stuff to do 108mbps`
`01:34.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`which more or less multiplexes the signal over two channels`
`01:34.50`	`Corrodias2`	`sure, if you go with all one vendor and pay extra for the "special" versions`
`01:34.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`which is wifi warfare`
`01:35.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`nukes the signal for everyone who is not you`
`01:35.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`just using wifi nukes the signals for everybody else`
`01:35.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`all the damn channels overlap`
`01:35.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`eh, .a channels are good`
`01:35.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont think 5ghz has as much distance`
`01:36.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`it doesn't`
`01:36.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`but none of them overlap`
`01:36.06`	`Dagmar`	`Hey, the FCC sticker says everyone has to play by the same rules. If there's any interference, the device has to just put up with it`
`01:37.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`Dagmar: no the channels actually overlap, the only way to prevent it is to use 1 6 and 11 and none of the other channels`
`01:37.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`incidentially, I run my AP on channel 1`
`01:37.51`	`Corrodias2`	`i should set my router to use 4, so i can interfere with two sets of people`
`01:37.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`mines on 11, neighbors which i setup is on 1`
`01:38.02`	`Corrodias2`	`actually, i should turn the wireless off again, because i'm not using it`
`01:38.15`	`Dagmar`	`Arrowmaster: I've a Wii, a PS3 and an XBox at the house. I'm painfully aware of overlapping channels and all sorts of other vagaries`
`01:38.29`	`Dagmar`	`Like, the 2.4Ghz cordless phones retirees tend to have`
`01:38.32`	`Dagmar`	`...oh and their pacemakers.`
`01:38.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`don't forget microwaves!`
`01:38.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`i put mine on 11 since my firmware lets me use the ones you arent allowed to in the US if i want to`
`01:38.59`	`Dagmar`	`ScytheBlade1: I worry more about whether or not I might accidentally kill someone TBH`
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`01:39.22`	`Dagmar`	`Dude, I'd go straight to 14 if I could do that`
`01:40.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`my neighbor used to leach my wifi for his 360, the 360 wireless controllers are 2.4ghz too, bad things happened when we were both using wireless controllers since the ap is directly infront of where i sit and his house is behind me`
`01:40.21`	`Dagmar`	`14 is only available in jp gear afaik and has no overlap with 11`
`01:40.36`	`Adys`	`Arrowmaster: http://xkcd.com/654/`
`01:41.04`	`cbreak`	`I think channel overlap is 3 channels wide or so? I am not sure.`
`01:41.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`3 in a direction i think`
`01:41.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think 1 and 5 would interfere but 1 and 6 dont`
`01:41.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/2.4_GHz_Wi-Fi_channels_(802.11b,g_WLAN).svg`
`01:41.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`well`
`01:42.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/2.4_GHz_Wi-Fi_channels_%28802.11b%2Cg_WLAN%29.svg/800px-2.4_GHz_Wi-Fi_channels_%28802.11b%2Cg_WLAN%29.svg.png`
`01:42.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`for those of you who are browser impaired`
`01:42.13`	`cbreak`	`according to my wireless router, channel 1 is 2.412 GHz and 2.472 is the maximal channel, 13, in europe`
`01:42.22`	`Dagmar`	`1 6 and 11 don't overlap with each other. That's about all you get in that spectrum`
`01:42.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`thanks, xchat doesnt like ()'s in urls`
`01:42.29`	`Dagmar`	`Even 2 overlaps 6 just a smidge`
`01:42.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Well, I meant the SVG image, but that too`
`01:42.48`	`Dagmar`	`If you don't mind breakin' some laws, 14 is there if your kit can use it.`
`01:43.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`afaik all of them can, its just the firmware that limits them`
`01:43.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Arrowmaster: some cards cannot... namely intel wireless`
`01:43.16`	`Corrodias`	`why the fuck did they bother making so many channels that overlap?`
`01:43.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`what uses that freq in the US? why is it not allowed?`
`01:43.25`	`Dagmar`	`It was never allocated`
`01:43.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Arrowmaster: FCC!`
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`01:43.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`its not allocated? then why the fuck cant i use it`
`01:43.50`	`Dagmar`	`Population density overall is higher in JP, so I'm figuring that's why they decided to allocate more space`
`01:44.05`	`Dagmar`	`It wasn't allocated to the wireless devices in the US.`
`01:44.13`	`Dagmar`	`I don't know if they gave it to some other purpose here or not`
`01:44.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`i have 14 in my dropdown`
`01:45.19`	`cbreak`	`it's like broadcasting's your crime`
`01:45.41`	`Dagmar`	`Cross your fingers and hope it's not pacemakers or something`
`01:45.52`	`Lopeppeppy`	`innocent whistle`
`01:46.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`hmm i thought i put the neighbors wifi on 1 not 11, oh well i can always change it remotely`
`01:47.39`	`Dagmar`	`Oh fun. Looks like where ch 14 is is gov't reserved in the US`
`01:47.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`theres two on 6`
`01:48.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`reserved for what?`
`01:48.32`	`cbreak`	`the president's wireless router`
`01:48.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`01:48.43`	`Corrodias`	`smirk`
`01:48.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`His dog's wireless bark collar.`
`01:48.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`of use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels`
`01:49.59`	`Dagmar`	`Ah wait, nope, that was old chart. Looks like they won't be driving tanks through your living room for using channel 14. http://www.jneuhaus.com/fccindex/2_3_ghz.html`
`01:50.11`	`Dagmar`	`Look at the 2483.5-2491.5 section`
`01:51.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`"Student experimental use" i'm a student`
`01:51.19`	`Adys`	`Iriel: fsck recovered everything \o/`
`01:51.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Adys: winner`
`01:51.40`	`Adys`	`files look intact too`
`01:51.41`	`Dagmar`	`Sounds good to me.`
`01:51.54`	`Dagmar`	`You might cause some interference with wimax, but that['s about it`
`01:52.43`	`Dagmar`	`I'm guessing WiMax transmissions are powerful enough that it shoudln't really matter that much if you're not also trying to use Clearwire`
`01:52.45`	`Adys`	`except now everything is reset to root owner urgh`
`01:53.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`meh. chown -R`
`01:53.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`does firefox still support gopher?`
`01:53.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Arrowmaster: yes`
`01:53.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`gopher://riceinfo.rice.edu/0ftp%3Aftp.fcc.gov@/pub/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/db960326/fcc96036.txt`
`01:53.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`unable to connect....`
`01:54.05`	`Adys`	`ScytheBlade1: its surprising though`
`01:54.17`	`Adys`	`ScytheBlade1: fsck itself didn't seem all too optimistic about the results - http://pastebin.com/d7e2c4cd0`
`01:54.44`	`Adys`	`(this goes on for ~3500 prompts, my finger is sore)`
`01:55.46`	`Dagmar`	`giggle`
`01:55.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`... giggle snark`
`01:56.24`	`Dagmar`	`Hey, I tried to help, I got called names and generally chewed out`
`01:57.15`	`Iriel`	`Adys: FWIW you can use the -y option to fsck to answer all questions 'y' automatically`
`01:57.28`	`Adys`	`Iriel: not after its started =P`
`01:59.36`	`Adys`	`what was the function to get the color of a line in a tooltip?`
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`02:24.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`ScytheBlade1: are you locked on the other side of a window and only have remote access to the system or something?`
`02:24.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Arrowmaster: too lazy to get up and move 20 feet to hit a button`
`02:24.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`02:24.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`The device it is connected to is actually a TV`
`02:24.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`When the 'display' goes to sleep, it turns off`
`02:24.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And kills the audio`
`02:24.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It is currently functioning as a glorified music player`
`02:24.52`	`Lopeppeppy`	`read that so very, very very wrong.`
`02:24.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`?`
`02:24.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`you can force dpms off in the xorg.conf`
`02:24.53`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Arrowmaster: I normally want it on.. this is the exception`
`02:24.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Lopeppeppy: explain yourself!`
`02:27.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No wai.`
`02:27.35`	`p3lim`	`wowprogramming.com down?`
`02:29.13`	`Kalroth`	`http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wowprogramming.com`
`02:29.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Of course, while he's traveling!`
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`02:30.55`	`Kalroth`	`hooray it's back`
`02:30.58`	`Kalroth`	`and so is he`
`02:33.59`	`Cairenn`	`Kalroth: it's up for me`
`02:34.18`	`Kalroth`	`Cairenn: Yeah, it wasn't when p3lim asked :)`
`02:34.22`	`Kalroth`	`[03:27] <p3lim> wowprogramming.com down?`
`02:34.22`	`Kalroth`	`[03:29] <-- jnwhiteh has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))`
`02:34.25`	`Cairenn`	`missed it`
`02:34.38`	`jnwhiteh`	`I was fixingi t =)`
`02:34.44`	`Cairenn`	`jnwhiteh rocks`
`02:35.00`	`Kalroth`	`clad on the rocks`
`02:35.44`	`jnwhiteh`	`no idea why it crashed.`
`02:36.29`	`Kalroth`	`I told you that a NT 4.0 server running IIS 2.0 was a bad idea`
`02:37.17`	`Shirik`	`tackles Lopeppeppy`
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`02:40.45`	`Sylvir`	`Evening, gents.`
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`02:41.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Heya, Shirik. Come laugh at Twilight II with me!`
`02:48.13`	`jnwhiteh`	`gives Lopeppeppy a cookie`
`02:48.33`	`jnwhiteh`	`eat that instead of giving money to the gay hating beyatch!`
`02:49.41`	`Shirik`	`?`
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`02:50.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah, but this is a torrent, jnwhiteh, no money to the bitch. Promise promise.`
`02:50.49`	`jnwhiteh`	`k k!`
`02:50.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`<3`
`02:52.05`	`Shirik`	`I don't know what the movie's about so I guess I'm missing somtehing`
`02:52.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`the movie is about vampires, but that has nothing to do with it`
`02:52.52`	`Cide`	`hi.`
`02:52.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Shirik: i swear you live in the best cave ever :P`
`02:53.01`	`Shirik`	`:/`
`02:53.45`	`Mikk`	`hahahaha`
`02:53.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`The author is a hate mongering evilthing.`
`02:53.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`The books and movies stink too, I just like to laugh at them.`
`02:54.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`~NightHawkTheSane++`
`02:54.33`	`Kraps`	`http://cde.cerosmedia.com/1M4b2f964fedde4303.cde/page/1`
`02:56.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"The 2.4GHz ISM band is fairly congested. With 802.11n, there is the option to double the bandwidth per channel to 40 MHz which results in slightly more than double the data rate. However, when in 2.4 GHz enabling this option takes up to 82% of the unlicensed band"`
`02:56.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Neat, I can legally press a button and nuke wifi for all of my neighbors`
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`02:59.27`	`ZorbaTHut`	`at some point I think we're going to need to start portioning off chunks of spectrum specifically for wireless data transfer`
`02:59.38`	`ZorbaTHut`	`with mandatory protocols that handle rate control and sharing properly`
`03:00.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`They could start by not being brain dead and overlapping 6 channels at once`
`03:00.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Just a thought, though`
`03:00.38`	`ZorbaTHut`	`they could also start by not picking a band that's used by microwave ovens :P`
`03:00.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`that too`
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`03:01.05`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I mean the real issue is that the instant they commit to this, they're stuck with it for at least half a decade if not a full decade`
`03:01.10`	`Shirik`	`sighs`
`03:01.27`	`Shirik`	`just found an aspect in his program but he's already committed to OOP`
`03:01.42`	`ZorbaTHut`	`so it's probably a good idea to make sure we know what we're doing first, and with the "security" idiocy and the continued improvements to wifi, we're just not there yet`
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`03:03.29`	`Shirik`	`We should just go way out at like 10GHz`
`03:03.32`	`Shirik`	`nuke everyone`
`03:04.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`We should use a Shirik-killing wavelength`
`03:04.30`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`03:04.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No?`
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`03:05.56`	`Shirik`	`naming question`
`03:06.21`	`Shirik`	`what's a good name for an exception that occurs when you have tried to an element beyond the end of an iterator?`
`03:06.50`	`Shirik`	`kinda like "end of file" but not really a file so..`
`03:07.50`	`ZorbaTHut`	`out of range?`
`03:07.53`	`Iriel`	`NoSuchElementException`
`03:08.00`	`Iriel`	`That's the traditional one in java`
`03:08.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://pastey.net/130687 <-- I wish`
`03:10.20`	`Adys`	`Shirik: IndexError`
`03:10.30`	`Shirik`	`I'm not indexing anything`
`03:10.34`	`Shirik`	`and this isn't python`
`03:10.58`	`Adys`	`wait`
`03:11.09`	`Adys`	`how can you try an element "beyond the end of an iterator"?`
`03:11.17`	`Shirik`	`imagine the following:`
`03:11.23`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: See above (NoSuchElementException)`
`03:11.33`	`Shirik`	`yeah I saw Iriel :)`
`03:11.48`	`Shirik`	`I modified it slightly, NoCurrentElementException, which makes more sense in context (though I didn't expect you to get that)`
`03:12.09`	`Iriel`	`Are you in java or C++`
`03:12.15`	`Shirik`	`C++`
`03:12.32`	`Adys`	`Shirik: how can you even get past the end of an iterator?`
`03:12.53`	`Iriel`	`Many iterators have a position 'between' elements`
`03:12.59`	`Iriel`	`they usually start before the first, and 'end' after the last`
`03:13.07`	`Iriel`	`it's an error to ask for the 'next' element once you're past the last one`
`03:13.14`	`Adys`	`right`
`03:13.24`	`Iriel`	`See the java SQL result set, for example`
`03:13.26`	`Shirik`	`I consider the "end" as "past the end"`
`03:13.40`	`Shirik`	`C++'s standard iterators has a "end()" member function which is actually 1 past the last element`
`03:14.04`	`Shirik`	`if you're at the end, and you request its value, you've broken something and need to be yelled at`
`03:14.17`	`Adys`	`shows off his big python`
`03:14.22`	`Corrodias`	`yep`
`03:14.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Adys: har`
`03:14.41`	`Adys`	`I was raised in a simple family`
`03:14.50`	`Adys`	`one that considers iterators as something you can't get past`
`03:14.55`	`Shirik`	`and this is why you use a simple language`
`03:15.15`	`ZorbaTHut`	`welcome to the 21st century, adys`
`03:15.15`	`Shirik`	`s/simply/sucky/`
`03:15.23`	`ZorbaTHut`	`modern iterators always let you get past 'em`
`03:15.30`	`ZorbaTHut`	`it's a flashy and wild world on this side of the fence.`
`03:15.32`	`cbreak`	`void *, all the iterator you'll ever need`
`03:15.39`	`Shirik`	`stabs cbreak`
`03:15.44`	`Adys`	`ZorbaTHut: oh sure, modify __iter__ all you want`
`03:16.44`	`Adys`	`now if you'll excuse me, I have some snarky laughters to grin off while I'll be rubbing my hands with an evil look`
`03:17.07`	`Shirik`	`... what?`
`03:17.31`	`Adys`	`Shirik: Adys.__evil__()`
`03:17.39`	`Shirik`	`not enough __s`
`03:17.52`	`Shirik`	`______________________________________________________________________evil_________________________________________________________________________________()`
`03:18.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik fail, not an equal number of underscores`
`03:18.48`	`Shirik`	`you actually counted them...`
`03:19.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Actually I just have pretty impressive visual/spatial abilities`
`03:21.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`translation: i counted them`
`03:21.45`	`Adys`	`^`
`03:22.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No, I really didn't`
`03:22.13`	`Adys`	`my even more impressive visual abilities tell me you're 11 underscores off`
`03:22.17`	`Iriel`	`You did... with your MIND!`
`03:22.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`heh`
`03:22.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Actually on my screen they appear as one constant line with no breaks`
`03:22.34`	`cbreak`	`wc -c`
`03:22.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So all I can tell you is that they are different sizes`
`03:22.48`	`Adys`	`python -c "len()"`
`03:23.24`	`Adys`	`good night`
`03:23.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`second, if you're saying the difference is 11 _, I'd say you're wrong`
`03:23.40`	`Adys`	`ScytheBlade1: I counted them`
`03:23.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`namely you're including the "evil" and/or the "()" in that by accident`
`03:23.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No way that difference is 11`
`03:24.07`	`Adys`	`>>> len("______________________________________________________________________")`
`03:24.07`	`Adys`	`70 >>> len("_________________________________________________________________________________")`
`03:24.07`	`Adys`	`81`
`03:24.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`huh, good stuff`
`03:24.30`	`Adys`	`how many screens do you have?`
`03:24.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`2x 1920x1200`
`03:24.47`	`Adys`	`irc is on the right one?`
`03:24.51`	`ScytheBlade1`	`left`
`03:24.56`	`Adys`	`are you a lefty?`
`03:25.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`righty`
`03:25.05`	`Adys`	`then there you go`
`03:25.14`	`Adys`	`focus imbalance between both eyes`
`03:25.17`	`ScytheBlade1`	`yeah moving it helps a bit`
`03:25.21`	`Adys`	`and retarded resolution.`
`03:25.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I can see that more on the right screen`
`03:25.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`=]`
`03:25.31`	`Adys`	`anyway night`
`03:25.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bai`
`03:25.56`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: I don't know if you saw my ranting the other night, but the wow built in quest tracker had some interesting failures for the battered hilt quest chain.`
`03:26.18`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: I did a submission of my quest data after i finished the quest chain for you too ;)`
`03:26.51`	`ZorbaTHut`	`hah, I didn't, but thanks :D`
`03:26.58`	`ZorbaTHut`	`hoping to get a new QH version up for Monday`
`03:27.36`	`Shirik`	`ScytheBlade1: fyi, that framerate is flawed`
`03:27.39`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I sort of wonder why Blizzard doesn't have some kind of sane bug-report system built in. the system they've got for the PTR should just exist in the main game`
`03:28.34`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: it was telling me to go to the alliance inn instead of the horde inn to do quest handins/progress.`
`03:28.40`	`ZorbaTHut`	`nice`
`03:28.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: indeed`
`03:28.48`	`ZorbaTHut`	`how does that even happen?`
`03:28.53`	`Jerub`	`and for a quest that was 'go to wyrmrest and talk to someone' it didn't give a waypoint.`
`03:28.56`	`Shirik`	`v-synced framerates don't have to be equivalent to your refresh rate`
`03:29.16`	`Jerub`	`(it was one of those annoying ones where it's not a ? at the person you need to talk to, just a find the person with this name and use the speech option)`
`03:29.17`	`Dagmar`	`It's hard for them to functionally be higher than that`
`03:29.19`	`Shirik`	`it just forces the blit to occur during the blanking interval`
`03:29.34`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: I dunno. Clearly they're just conflating quest ids between the two factions.`
`03:29.34`	`Shirik`	`if you have a really really fast framerate, it's certainly possible to be above your refresh rate`
`03:29.40`	`ZorbaTHut`	`yeah, I just checked the quest data`
`03:29.40`	`Shirik`	`however, 1800fps is quite questionable`
`03:29.46`	`ZorbaTHut`	`and it's literally two entirely separate questlines`
`03:29.52`	`ZorbaTHut`	`so I have no idea how they're confusing that`
`03:29.55`	`Shirik`	`unless your real fps is closer to 10kfps`
`03:30.20`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: oh, and I think I've figured out what's wrong with qh radar.`
`03:30.33`	`Jerub`	`it draws a million points when the person you need to talk to is outside a building you're inside of.`
`03:30.36`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I wonder if you could get a battered hilt, do the questline, switch factions, get another battered hilt, and dual-wield`
`03:30.43`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`03:30.44`	`Shirik`	`ZorbaTHut`
`03:30.50`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: too bad i'm a drood. :P`
`03:30.58`	`Jerub`	`but! I want the resto version!`
`03:30.58`	`ZorbaTHut`	`the end item isn't unique, I just checked :D`
`03:31.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Shirik: it's a 1080i TV that it is connected to`
`03:31.07`	`ScytheBlade1`	`A cheap one at that`
`03:31.10`	`ZorbaTHut`	`jerub, there's a bunch of ways that you can make it draw a million points`
`03:31.21`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I need to come up with a better way to deal with that, but it's nontrivial`
`03:31.28`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: it seemed to think that the target was 'more than 10 feet' away or something.`
`03:31.45`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: even just limit the number of points to 1000 or something so it short circuits.`
`03:31.49`	`ZorbaTHut`	`the solution isn't "fix each way it can draw a million points", it's "make it faster at drawing those points/draw its target image more efficiently"`
`03:31.55`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I've actually tried stuff like that`
`03:31.59`	`ZorbaTHut`	`you'd be surprised how badly it works :P`
`03:32.19`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I think what I really need to do is make it smart enough to draw large boxes instead of a multitude of tiny pixels`
`03:32.35`	`ZorbaTHut`	`but that becomes cough problematical if the user has rotating-minimap on.`
`03:32.59`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I'm vaguely tempted to just disable rotating-minimap because it is clearly an objectively inferior way of playing, but I guess I won't :(`
`03:34.06`	`Shirik`	`ScytheBlade1, cheater`
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`03:35.06`	`Cloudwolf`	`hey is shadowed in here and paying attention?`
`03:35.43`	`haste`	`Shadowed is never paying attention to anything! especially votes`
`03:36.42`	`Cloudwolf`	`i was gonna ask him a question but he seems to be dead :D`
`03:37.10`	`ZorbaTHut`	`damn, you can't dual-wield shadowmournes`
`03:37.41`	`Cloudwolf`	`can cloak of shadows be used during stealth with out breaking stealth?`
`03:37.49`	`Shadowed`	`what`
`03:37.51`	`haste`	`yes`
`03:38.20`	`Cloudwolf`	`Hey shadowed is there a way to use your buff frame using shadoweduf and still have consildiated buffs also?`
`03:38.32`	`Shadowed`	`no`
`03:38.35`	`Cloudwolf`	`k`
`03:40.34`	`Cloudwolf`	`Also is there a way to have your buff frame show temporary item enhancements such as poisons/rockbiter?`
`03:41.12`	`Jerub`	`beyond a certain number the data is trash anyway`
`03:41.30`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: my wife plays with rotating map`
`03:41.39`	`Cloudwolf`	`eww rotating map...`
`03:42.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`^^`
`03:43.21`	`Jerub`	`... i don't`
`03:58.07`	`Cairenn`	`Rawr! Gotta love really classic feel good movies over the holidays. Bruce Willis blowin shit up!`
`04:00.00`	`Shirik`	`o.o;`
`04:00.10`	`Shirik`	`Cairenn comes out of nowhere`
`04:00.29`	`Cairenn`	`is watching one of the Die Hard movies atm`
`04:00.59`	`Cairenn`	`nothing like watching Bruce Willis blowin shit up to just really celebrate the season, ya know?`
`04:01.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`Cairenn: no JDA?`
`04:01.34`	`Cairenn`	`jda?`
`04:01.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/JDA/RDA/`
`04:01.50`	`Polarina`	`Blizzard should officially support gaming using Dvorak keyboards.`
`04:01.55`	`Cairenn`	`rda?`
`04:02.01`	`Cloudwolf`	`dvorak keyboards?`
`04:02.10`	`Polarina`	`Cloudwolf: The keyboard layout.`
`04:02.12`	`Cairenn`	`is drawing a blank, but will probably smack her forehead in a minute`
`04:02.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`Richard Dean Anderson`
`04:02.20`	`Cairenn`	`ah`
`04:02.22`	`Cloudwolf`	`oh that`
`04:02.27`	`Dagmar`	`They don't have to. Windows supports it.`
`04:02.33`	`Cairenn`	`he's good to, but he's not on right now`
`04:02.36`	`Cairenn`	`Brucey is`
`04:02.40`	`Polarina`	`But the keybindings for it sucks.`
`04:02.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`i'm surprised you dont have him on dvd`
`04:02.53`	`Dagmar`	`What do you expect? It's Dvorak, after all.`
`04:03.20`	`Cairenn`	`Thunder_Child: who says I don't?`
`04:03.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`Cairenn: ah, then it /could/ be on right now`
`04:03.40`	`Cairenn`	`yes`
`04:03.42`	`Cloudwolf`	`wasn't dvorak orignaly the main lay out of type writers`
`04:03.43`	`Cairenn`	`but isn't`
`04:03.47`	`Cairenn`	`Brucey is`
`04:03.53`	`Cloudwolf`	`but they changed to qwerty becasue the keys jamemd too much`
`04:03.59`	`Cloudwolf`	`from the fact that allt he vowels are next to eachtoher.`
`04:04.13`	`Dagmar`	`Cloudwolf: Nope`
`04:04.17`	`Cairenn`	`and you have to admit, for start blowin shit up, Brucey does a pretty damn good job of it`
`04:04.23`	`Cairenn`	`s/start/straight/`
`04:05.17`	`Dagmar`	`Qwerty was constructed to avoid jamming the hammers up, but Dvorak didn't happen until much later`
`04:05.30`	`Cloudwolf`	`what was pre qwerty then?`
`04:05.50`	`Dagmar`	`"You killed a helicopter with a car..."`
`04:06.00`	`Cairenn`	`RAWR!`
`04:06.09`	`Dagmar`	`Cloudwolf: A bunch of alphabet runs and various differing layouts that irritated typists`
`04:07.30`	`kd3`	`bleargh`
`04:07.34`	`kd3`	`wtb new feed reader`
`04:07.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Might I suggest https://www.google.com/reader/ ?`
`04:10.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`Polarina: you can change all the keybinds in wow`
`04:11.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`Cloudwolf: before qwerty i would get that abcdef was the most common`
`04:11.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`s/get/guess`
`04:11.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`fail`
`04:13.13`	`Cide`	`Shadowed: your unit frames options are bugged.`
`04:13.54`	`Shadowed`	`they work fine, you fail`
`04:13.58`	`Cide`	`nope`
`04:14.23`	`Shadowed`	`I standby what I said`
`04:14.25`	`Cide`	`if you select multiple unit types to do the same settings for several, it screws up majorly if the settings are different for the option you're changing`
`04:14.26`	`Shadowed`	`until evidence is given`
`04:14.42`	`Shadowed`	`huh?`
`04:15.00`	`Shadowed`	`doing hardmode stuff, if you can file a ticket`
`04:15.01`	`Cide`	`example: you have "Show Casting Bar" enabled for player but not target`
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`04:15.09`	`Cide`	`meh, that's work!`
`04:15.18`	`Cide`	`it's easily worked around, just wanted to blame you`
`04:15.42`	`Shadowed`	`Well I won't fix it unless I notice or you I remember`
`04:15.44`	`Shadowed`	`or you ticket it :p`
`04:15.54`	`Cide`	`your loss!`
`04:18.04`	`Cide`	`can't figure out the steps to reproduce it atm anyway so /shrug`
`04:18.07`	`Cide`	`maybe I can tomorrow`
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`04:46.26`	`Shirik`	`icu Cide`
`04:46.37`	`Cide`	`icu2`
`04:53.28`	`Polarina`	`found a spelling error at http://www.wowinterface.com/gifthunt.php`
`04:56.15`	`Cairenn`	`what?`
`04:56.56`	`Polarina`	`Cairenn: "Error: Mmmmmm bacon! Thats our example word and is not valid."`
`04:57.03`	`Polarina`	`Cairenn: Do a s/Thats/That's/`
`04:57.08`	`Cairenn`	`nod`
`04:57.14`	`Polarina`	`:)`
`04:58.00`	`kdtresh`	`i see a punctuation mismatch at the end of the grunty paragraph`
`04:58.42`	`Polarina`	`kdtresh: Where?`
`04:58.59`	`kdtresh`	`Be careful if he sees any zerglings though, they'll fight each other!.`
`04:59.04`	`kdtresh`	`!.`
`04:59.21`	`kdtresh`	`not sure mismatch is the correct term`
`04:59.29`	`Polarina`	`kdtresh: Ah, I see it too.`
`04:59.34`	`kdtresh`	`but i don't think it should have both ;)`
`05:00.34`	`Polarina`	`Cairenn: Ping!`
`05:00.41`	`Cairenn`	`Polarina: I know :p`
`05:00.44`	`Cairenn`	`already on it`
`05:00.45`	`Polarina`	`Cairenn: :D`
`05:00.50`	`Polarina`	`:P`
`05:03.11`	`Cide`	`http://www.valvesoftware.com/publications/2009/ai_systems_of_l4d_mike_booth.pdf`
`05:03.13`	`Cide`	`good read btw`
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`05:08.46`	`Cairenn`	`Polarina: poke`
`05:09.07`	`Polarina`	`Cairenn: pokeback`
`05:09.20`	`Cairenn`	`~lart Polarina`
`05:09.20`	`purl`	`whacks Polarina with a giant beaver's tail`
`05:09.25`	`Polarina`	`...`
`05:09.41`	`Polarina`	`~lart purl`
`05:09.41`	`purl`	`cuts off polarina's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper`
`05:09.50`	`Polarina`	`o.O`
`05:09.50`	`haste`	`~purl++`
`05:10.06`	`Cairenn`	`lol, well that one (that I did) was rather appropriate coming from me`
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`05:57.26`	`Cruciformer`	`'lo all`
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`06:49.13`	`Fisker`	`you wouldn't TC-Away`
`06:49.37`	`Fisker`	`you wouldn't either Cairenn`
`06:49.56`	`Cairenn`	`huh?`
`06:50.11`	`Fisker`	`Just you wouldn't X`
`06:50.51`	`TC-Away`	`yes i would Fisker`
`06:53.29`	`Fisker`	`i'm quite sure you wouldn't`
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`06:55.41`	`Fisker`	`neither would Wobin`
`06:56.13`	`Fisker`	`oh god`
`06:56.15`	`Fisker`	`pug HoR :(`
`06:58.01`	`Wobin`	`You wouldn't pug HoR, Fisker =(`
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`07:27.20`	`frontendloader`	`is there an addon (or aloft plugin) that can display specific debuffs/remaining time on nameplates?`
`07:27.36`	`frontendloader`	`or is this a void that I could try to fill`
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`07:35.18`	`Lukian`	`aloft works again?`
`07:50.12`	`Fisker`	`i wouldn't if i could Wobin`
`07:58.07`	`Fisker`	`i must reach level 78 today Wobin`
`08:00.26`	`Jerub`	`you wouldn't reach level 78`
`08:00.48`	`Jerub`	`Wobin: i pugged H HoR twice in one day.`
`08:00.52`	`Jerub`	`Wobin: do you know what happened?`
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`08:06.14`	`Fisker`	`ow Jerub`
`08:10.20`	`Fisker`	`what you did to me was hurtful`
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`08:22.52`	`Fisker`	`wtf`
`08:27.52`	`Shirik`	`night all`
`08:27.55`	`Shirik`	`Fisker`
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`08:30.01`	`DJJeff`	`which is better REP to have Aldor or Scryer`
`08:30.06`	`DJJeff`	`in shattrath`
`08:30.18`	`DJJeff`	`im a 74 Blood Elf Mage`
`08:33.03`	`Fisker`	`Shirik`
`08:33.12`	`Fisker`	`neither DJJeff`
`08:33.15`	`Fisker`	`level to 80`
`08:33.34`	`Shirik`	`I go to sleep now Fisker`
`08:33.43`	`Shirik`	`take care of the channel for me or I will rain down wrath upon thee`
`08:33.45`	`Fisker`	`HOW CAN YOU NOT FIND YOUR WAY TO GUNDRAK FROM THE GRAVEYARD SHIRIK?!`
`08:33.53`	`Fisker`	`i hate pugs to hell`
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`08:46.34`	`ZorbaTHut`	`djj, it is completely and utterly unimportant`
`08:46.47`	`ZorbaTHut`	`neither faction will provide you with anything whatosever of value, besides an achievement.`
`08:47.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://pack.google.com/intl/en/pack_installer.html?brand=GPMG&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-hpp-09&utm_medium=hpp i wonder if they are going to put MSE in instead of the spyware doctor`
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`08:57.47`	`Fisker`	`lol realpalyer`
`08:57.50`	`Fisker`	`player*`
`08:59.25`	`industrial`	`<I WILL PEON YOU>`
`08:59.27`	`industrial`	`xD`
`09:00.22`	`Wobin`	`real player is -still- going?`
`09:00.25`	`Wobin`	`jeez`
`09:02.30`	`Fisker`	`^^ :(`
`09:02.39`	`Fisker`	`it's amazing`
`09:03.20`	`Fisker`	`my hunter is almost level AWESOME`
`09:03.54`	`Fisker`	`i wonder if the LFD will understand heirlooms`
`09:04.00`	`Fisker`	`or if it'll see it as ilevel 1`
`09:05.23`	`Fisker`	`otherwise i'm screwed with 7 heirlooms :P`
`09:10.54`	`Fisker`	`bam`
`09:10.55`	`Fisker`	`level 77`
`09:32.57`	`Vilkku`	`http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/FontString/SetMultilineIndent what happened to that? what can I use instead?`
`09:42.52`	`Polarina`	`Vilkku: From http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/FontString I found: FontString:SetIndentedWordWrap().`
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`09:46.53`	`Fisker`	`lol`
`09:46.59`	`Fisker`	`the minefield quest is pretty easy now`
`09:47.04`	`Vilkku`	`cheers Polarina`
`09:47.06`	`Fisker`	`you don't get dismounted by the bombs anymore`
`09:47.09`	`Fisker`	`or mines`
`09:51.42`	`Wobin`	`Fisker, the orgril'a one, or the K52 one`
`09:54.50`	`Fisker`	`the K52`
`09:54.57`	`Fisker`	`i would guess it's the same with ogri'la though`
`09:55.03`	`Fisker`	`as they probably dismount using the same mechanic`
`09:55.17`	`Fisker`	`k52 = k3 btw`
`09:56.54`	`Wobin`	`yeah, couldn't remember =)`
`09:57.00`	`Wobin`	`I noticed that with orgrila`
`10:03.37`	`Fisker`	`hehe stupid bot`
`10:04.11`	`Fisker`	`it greeted me, then aggroed my pet, then started spamming holy light as i killed it`
`10:04.24`	`Fisker`	`that's not how you pvp :P`
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`12:02.59`	`zenzelezz`	`gah, stupid Boundary Warning... it feels completely random`
`12:11.41`	`Fisker`	`boundary warning for what?`
`12:11.52`	`Wobin`	`dalaran probably`
`12:12.16`	`zenzelezz`	`nope... the Battle Before the Citadel thing`
`12:12.33`	`zenzelezz`	`when you go outside it, the enemies phase out`
`12:13.06`	`Fisker`	`baww`
`12:17.13`	`Wobin`	`it's great if you accidentally pull too many`
`12:17.39`	`Fisker`	`naw`
`12:17.44`	`Fisker`	`that's just newbish`
`12:17.52`	`Wobin`	`well duh`
`12:17.53`	`Fisker`	`The real fun is random fucking scouts`
`12:18.05`	`Fisker`	`or if the target you're killing runs into 2-3 other packs`
`12:18.06`	`Wobin`	`or the ones that respawn on top of you`
`12:18.55`	`Fisker`	`^^`
`12:19.32`	`zenzelezz`	`I usually kill the Commanders to the right of the huge stair, but those are prone to boundary reset`
`12:20.10`	`Fisker`	`i kill those in the beginning at the 2 roads`
`12:20.16`	`Fisker`	`and then the last at either side of the stair`
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`13:03.24`	`Fisker`	`let me hear you say it zenzelezz`
`13:11.10`	`zenzelezz`	`I like big buffs and I cannot lie?`
`13:14.10`	`Fisker`	`naw`
`13:14.31`	`Fisker`	`was wondering why the EU doesn't use the "high volume of tickets" warning`
`13:23.39`	`Fisker`	`"haha maybe i can sneak up on this horde and gank him"`
`13:23.51`	`Fisker`	`pro-tip (motherfucker) i got track humanoids`
`13:24.15`	`Fisker`	`lols as the shaman dies, puts a trap on top of his corpse and lols jet again when he thinks he can finish the job by ankhing`
`13:24.28`	`Fisker`	`yet*`
`13:32.05`	`Wobin`	`wants blinkankh`
`13:39.17`	`Fisker`	`;3?`
`13:39.18`	`Fisker`	`ah`
`13:39.20`	`Fisker`	`owned`
`13:39.38`	`industrial`	`he obviously failed at CCing you since normally you wouldnt get out of meelee range >:3`
`13:40.23`	`industrial`	`(but I play both classes actively..)`
`13:49.33`	`Fisker`	`omg`
`13:49.36`	`Fisker`	`they gotta be kidding me`
`13:49.44`	`Fisker`	`the quest where you have to jump from drake to drake`
`13:49.53`	`Fisker`	`ATLEAST GIVE ME THE RANGE TO ATTACK THEM WITH RANGE WEAPONS`
`13:53.43`	`industrial`	`heh indeed`
`13:55.10`	`Fisker`	`rage`
`13:55.24`	`Fisker`	`used 5 potions :D`
`13:55.28`	`Fisker`	`to complete it`
`13:55.52`	`cbreak`	`being a mage is nice.`
`13:56.01`	`cbreak`	`can't you let your pet do all the work as usual, hunter? :)`
`13:56.19`	`Fisker`	`as i'm on a drake 5000 feet in the air, no.`
`13:56.27`	`Fisker`	`i have 2 melee attacks`
`13:57.01`	`cbreak`	`get a wand. They work at any range :)`
`13:57.23`	`Fisker`	`i can't use wands`
`14:14.15`	`cbreak`	`:/`
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`14:14.43`	`Fisker`	`halfway to level 79 :3`
`14:14.43`	`Fisker`	`soon i'll be listening to people kicking me for my terrible dps in heroics`
`14:14.43`	`cbreak`	`just partner up with a friend`
`14:14.45`	`industrial`	`( a tank)`
`14:14.45`	`cbreak`	`can randoms kick two people who vote against being kicked?`
`14:14.45`	`cbreak`	`anyway, just start with normals :)`
`14:14.45`	`Fisker`	`i think it's just 3 votes you need`
`14:14.52`	`Fisker`	`you speak of madness btw cbreak`
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`14:14.53`	`Fisker`	`i'll start with heroics`
`14:14.53`	`Fisker`	`as soon as the LFD tool will let me`
`14:14.53`	`cbreak`	`I did normals first when I got to 80`
`14:14.53`	`cbreak`	`for a few weeks`
`14:14.59`	`Fisker`	`when was that?`
`14:14.59`	`cbreak`	`maybe... 13 months ago or so?`
`14:14.59`	`cbreak`	`or 14`
`14:14.59`	`Fisker`	`your argument is invalid`
`14:14.59`	`cbreak`	`I never gave an argument...`
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`14:17.04`	`Fisker`	`but you did`
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`14:31.45`	`Polarina`	`Why is it so cold in my room?`
`14:33.28`	`Fisker`	`because i came`
`14:33.34`	`Polarina`	`:(`
`14:41.04`	`ZorbaTHut`	`woot, finally got a hyacinth macaw :D`
`14:41.12`	`Fisker`	`why so srs ZorbaTHut +`
`14:41.14`	`Fisker`	`?`
`14:56.24`	`airtonix`	`what are you fisker?`
`14:56.51`	`airtonix`	`apart from a verb.`
`14:59.23`	`Fisker`	`unfortunately noone can be told what the fisker is`
`15:07.03`	`Vilkku`	`hey guys`
`15:07.06`	`Vilkku`	`we have a leveling compo`
`15:07.10`	`Vilkku`	`highest level in 2 hours`
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`15:07.17`	`Vilkku`	`what class and race should I pick ? :P`
`15:08.40`	`Polarina`	`Draenei Priest.`
`15:09.03`	`Vilkku`	`.`
`15:09.19`	`Polarina`	`What?`
`15:09.29`	`Vilkku`	`are you serious?`
`15:10.15`	`Polarina`	`What's wrong with a draenei priest?`
`15:10.56`	`Kraps`	`Vilkku: what do you want to do?`
`15:10.59`	`Vilkku`	`I don't know, but to me it sounds horrible, I mean priest is not the first thing that comes to my mind when you say fast leveling`
`15:11.01`	`Fisker`	`i think the choice is pretty obvious`
`15:11.06`	`Vilkku`	`Kraps, level as high as possible in 2 hours`
`15:11.23`	`Vilkku`	`without any aids like heirlooms`
`15:11.34`	`Fisker`	`then the choice is even more obvious`
`15:11.35`	`Polarina`	`lol. AIDS.`
`15:11.57`	`Vilkku`	`Fisker, I don't think mohawks are playable =/`
`15:12.11`	`Kraps`	`~fail Polarina`
`15:12.11`	`purl`	`Polarina: FAIL!`
`15:12.23`	`Fisker`	`then the choice is even more pretty obvious`
`15:12.32`	`Polarina`	`:D`
`15:12.45`	`Fisker`	`Hunters sucks, warriors suck, all casters, suck`
`15:12.49`	`Fisker`	`what remains?`
`15:12.55`	`Vilkku`	`rogue?`
`15:13.01`	`Polarina`	`Paladins!`
`15:13.06`	`Fisker`	`oh yeah`
`15:13.08`	`Fisker`	`they suck as well`
`15:13.13`	`Polarina`	`:)`
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`15:13.33`	`Fisker`	`They might be the worst if not for their survivabillity`
`15:13.40`	`Polarina`	`:P`
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`15:13.48`	`Vilkku`	`so Fisker says rogues`
`15:13.51`	`Vilkku`	`what race?`
`15:14.04`	`Kraps`	`theres only one solution: SUICIDE!`
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`15:15.02`	`Polarina`	`wished Lua did lazy evaluation like Haskell.`
`15:15.14`	`Fisker`	`probably not that important Vilkku`
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`15:16.21`	`Polarina`	`:D`
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`15:34.51`	`Fisker`	`wtf they ez-moded Sons of Hodir rep`
`15:36.42`	`Kalroth`	`So casuals like you got a chance too!`
`15:37.00`	`Fisker`	`it's not even funny`
`15:37.02`	`Vlakarados`	`how can I reset advanced trade skill window's position on screen?`
`15:37.09`	`Fisker`	`just doing the prequests while leveling i'm 1500 rep from revered`
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`15:43.35`	`Fisker`	`revered :P`
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`15:44.52`	`Polarina`	`How do I enable 3-D imaging in World of Warcraft?`
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`15:48.22`	`Fisker`	`hit yourself in the face`
`15:55.14`	`haste`	`http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/967/967863/9678637/jpg/active/960x.jpg parking of the year!`
`15:57.46`	`Fisker`	`haste jeg kan ikke svÃ¸mme`
`15:58.10`	`Kalroth`	`Fisker: hop i vandet!`
`15:58.23`	`Vlakarados`	`yay, I've done it.`
`15:58.56`	`haste`	`Fisker: bestefar bestefar!`
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`16:20.15`	`Fisker`	`the haste is in my hand`
`16:25.08`	`haste`	`The Fisker is in my hand as well`
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`17:06.09`	`zenzelezz`	`there's a "Fiskerkiller" on my realm o_O`
`17:07.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`heh`
`17:08.39`	`Fisker`	`you're on ravencrest?`
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`17:11.08`	`Shirik`	`There's a Fiskerkiller on every realm`
`17:12.49`	`zenzelezz`	`Fisker: Draenor`
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`17:19.17`	`Kalroth`	`there should be a Fiskerkiller in every game`
`17:23.56`	`Shirik`	`^`
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`17:28.37`	`zenzelezz`	`y helo thar Lopeppeppy !`
`17:29.59`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Heya good morning.`
`17:30.13`	`zenzelezz`	`if you say so`
`17:30.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So, pop quiz. Anyone remember what color my cats are? I'll cheat and tell you they're both the same color.`
`17:30.36`	`zenzelezz`	`something-tabby?`
`17:30.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah, tiger tabby. Brownish greyish black stripey girls.`
`17:31.05`	`zenzelezz`	`that was it =)`
`17:31.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I just looked carefully at the paperwork for Rosie's new vet, and he has her listed as white.`
`17:31.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Let me tell you, I am going to have a LONG talk with them tomorrow morning before I leave her there!!!`
`17:31.41`	`zenzelezz`	`hehe`
`17:32.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Color blind jerks. sigh I was nervous about taking her to a vet I've never met as it was.`
`17:32.36`	`zenzelezz`	`so there's no "white spots" on her either?`
`17:33.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Nope.`
`17:33.34`	`zenzelezz`	`that is interesting then`
`17:34.01`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Kendra has a white spot on her tummy, but Rosie has at best a tan tummy. No white on her at all. And to list her as just plain "white" creeps me right the hell out. I mean... what if they mix her up with some persian monstrosity of a feline?`
`17:34.14`	`zenzelezz`	`I think I'd say my cat is light brownish with darker brown/black stripes, but her whole chin is white`
`17:34.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You hear about babies mixed up in the hospital all the time. It could happen to cats too!`
`17:36.24`	`zenzelezz`	`yeah, but that's understandable... babies are nowhere near as cute as kittens`
`17:36.50`	`zenzelezz`	`by and large, children are uninteresting until they're 18 unless they're your own`
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`17:37.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`My 8 year old niece does okay most of the time. But I can shake her up and give her back to my sister, which is half the joy.`
`17:38.25`	`zenzelezz`	`family is sometimes okay, but I mostly stick to my former statement`
`17:40.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Chain 'em in the back yard until they can drive, says I, and then put them to work delivering pizza.`
`17:40.37`	`zenzelezz`	`nice to see someone likeminded`
`17:43.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`This from the chick who isn't gonna have kids, so why wouldn't I be all grinchy?`
`17:46.17`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/7681/`
`17:46.20`	`Adys`	`HUNTER QUEST!!1`
`17:46.31`	`Adys`	`the amount of shit in their data is incredible`
`17:47.06`	`zenzelezz`	`mmo-champion's data?`
`17:47.15`	`zenzelezz`	`or WoW?`
`17:47.18`	`Adys`	`no, that would be my data`
`17:47.20`	`Adys`	`blizzard's data`
`17:47.54`	`zenzelezz`	`I see`
`17:48.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`return to gossip test dude.`
`17:48.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Very formal, this quest text. :P`
`17:48.57`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/6526/gossip-test-dude/`
`17:48.59`	`Adys`	`that guy.`
`17:49.08`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't have a problem with such data in the database`
`17:49.18`	`Adys`	`nor do i or it wouldnt be there`
`17:49.20`	`zenzelezz`	`would be more tedious if they had to keep all test items, spells, quests, NPCs all formal`
`17:49.33`	`zenzelezz`	`oh, then I misunderstood your original statement`
`17:49.34`	`Adys`	`I didnt mean that`
`17:49.37`	`Adys`	`but they could clean it up`
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`17:52.58`	`Floo`	`hello`
`17:53.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`morning`
`17:53.11`	`Floo`	`I'm making addon and need to not show whispers`
`17:53.19`	`Floo`	`don't know how`
`17:53.40`	`zenzelezz`	`why do you need to do that?`
`17:55.45`	`Floo`	`thats addon for guild and if I whisp someone something he answer me and I know that he have addon`
`17:55.53`	`Floo`	`sorry for English`
`17:56.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Might it not be better to use the addon channel for that, instead of whispers?`
`17:56.16`	`Adys`	`Floo: You can use the addon message system`
`17:57.28`	`Floo`	`hmm moment`
`17:58.09`	`Shirik`	`waves at Lopeppeppy`
`17:58.45`	`zenzelezz`	`Lopeppeppy is right, don't use whispers unless you have a very good reason to`
`17:59.18`	`Shirik`	`I have a very good reason to use whispers`
`18:01.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`whispers in Shirik's ear.`
`18:06.17`	`Floo`	`when I whisp someone (with addon) phrase "?lifetime" then he whisp me back his lifetime kills`
`18:06.52`	`Floo`	`that is for anyone in guild`
`18:06.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Similar to the crafting addons I've seen tons of. Why would you then want to hide the whispers?`
`18:07.10`	`Floo`	`it would be spammy`
`18:07.34`	`Floo`	`whisp from me + whisp back thats 2 lines`
`18:07.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Then don't whisper him to ask for the information, if you don't want it?`
`18:08.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Or are you saying that the everyone with the addon installed gets that whisper, whether they want it or not?`
`18:09.16`	`Floo`	`I whisp someone phrase ... he have addon and thats addon automatic whisp me back his lifetime kills`
`18:09.39`	`Floo`	`I can by anyone from guild`
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`18:10.10`	`Floo`	`or tabard name that he wield ...`
`18:10.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So it only whispers back to the one person who initially whispered the question?`
`18:10.23`	`Ancu`	`I have internet! I HAVE INTERNET!!!!`
`18:10.30`	`Floo`	`yes`
`18:10.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Then if you hide your whispers, you won't see the information you requested. Simply don't request the information if you don't want to see it.`
`18:10.59`	`Ancu`	`Hi lopeppeppy! how are things?`
`18:11.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`The cats are catty, the leftovers are gone, hoppy new year is almost here.`
`18:12.06`	`Yssaril`	`Floo: just use the wisper addonchannel for your addon then you don't have to worry about hiding anything`
`18:12.10`	`Floo`	`but I want to not show just my "phrase" and his answer - to him`
`18:12.28`	`Ancu`	`YAY! a new year, with new cattyness, new leftovers, and new newness`
`18:12.59`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I think Yssaril has your answer, Floo. Don't use the regular whisper channel at all.`
`18:13.11`	`Floo`	`its easier`
`18:13.30`	`Floo`	`write /w name ?lifetime`
`18:13.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It may be easier to use whispers, but it doesn't do what you want it to do, so it's not your best answer. :)`
`18:13.58`	`Yssaril`	`just make a slash comand for your addon /addon name ?lifetime`
`18:14.07`	`Yssaril`	`and make the /addon something short`
`18:15.03`	`Yssaril`	`that way you do not have to intercept your own wisper and if request something from someone who does not have the addon he will never notice the failed request`
`18:16.03`	`Yssaril`	`fyi wispering of anykind in Xserver dungeons doesn't work atm`
`18:17.31`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?itemspell_item__spell__glyph_spell__flags__band=1`
`18:17.38`	`Adys`	`there may or may not be something wrong with that filter`
`18:19.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`depends. ;O`
`18:19.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`what should it do`
`18:19.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`and wth is that glyph`
`18:25.15`	`Adys`	`alpha item`
`18:25.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`wrath alpha? hm`
`18:25.53`	`Fisker`	`1.6 million experience`
`18:25.55`	`Fisker`	`gogogo`
`18:26.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`no, please disconnect Fisker`
`18:30.13`	`Fisker`	`never!`
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`18:35.39`	`Adys`	`hai Fisker`
`18:35.40`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/changelog`
`18:37.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`Adys: "full support" for heirlooms should probably mean that you can somehow adjust the level the heirloom's stats are calculated from`
`18:38.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`I know you can via the URL, I mean an exposed GUI way`
`18:39.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`Adys: also, commendations on the improvements =)`
`18:39.51`	`Adys`	`Gnarfoz: sure you can`
`18:40.03`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50255/dread-pirate-ring/?level=45`
`18:40.04`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50255/dread-pirate-ring/?level=15`
`18:40.05`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50255/dread-pirate-ring/?level=1`
`18:40.07`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50255/dread-pirate-ring/?level=80`
`18:40.26`	`Adys`	`(I support all the other 75 levels, btw)`
`18:40.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`sure, did you read the line after the one with the highlight in it? :p`
`18:40.49`	`Adys`	`I didnt even see it actually`
`18:40.53`	`Adys`	`both highlights crossed`
`18:40.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`heh`
`18:41.17`	`Adys`	`and ya working on that`
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`18:46.58`	`mikma`	`http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/cat_horse_friends.jpg`
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`18:59.12`	`Ancu`	`Well I was gone, did fisker kill shirik?`
`18:59.21`	`Shirik`	`nothing can kill me`
`18:59.50`	`Ancu`	`lol, Just making sure`
`19:08.37`	`Fisker`	`1,2 million exp :(`
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`19:23.29`	`Fisker`	`1 million :(`
`19:26.25`	`Shirik`	`I am worth 1 million XP`
`19:26.27`	`Shirik`	`if you can kill me`
`19:26.29`	`Shirik`	`but you cannot`
`19:35.47`	`Fisker`	`i could if you would let me :(`
`19:41.10`	`Shirik`	`http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iFTC6v9kXHIgsY6T4PmWMK71iLIwD9CK2R9G0`
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`19:48.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`loves footsball!`
`19:51.00`	`Ancu`	`Damn dialup`
`19:51.08`	`Ancu`	`did I ever tell you guys that I hate dialup?`
`19:52.30`	`industrial`	`. o O ( I have faster internet on my cellphone )`
`19:54.42`	`Fisker`	`lovs handsball`
`19:55.06`	`industrial`	`. o O ( Fisker loves his hands on his balls )`
`19:56.13`	`zenzelezz`	`you don't?`
`19:56.14`	`Ancu`	`sigh, so have you made any recent attempts on shirik's life, fisker?`
`19:57.57`	`Fisker`	`yep`
`19:58.02`	`Fisker`	`need the experience`
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`19:59.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shirik has very important reasons for whispering.`
`20:08.32`	`Kraps`	`hey, is there a way to check if someone else is using my wow account in-game?`
`20:09.14`	`Dagmar`	`Login.`
`20:09.32`	`*** join/#wowuidev Droolio (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk)`
`20:09.41`	`Kraps`	`and?`
`20:10.37`	`*** join/#wowuidev Repo (n=supybot@repos.curseforge.net)`
`20:12.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`See if you're not where you should be.`
`20:12.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ask your friends when you were last online, and what you did.`
`20:13.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`File a GM ticket that you think your account was hacked, and start going through the account freeze-and-recovery period.`
`20:15.23`	`Fisker`	`you wouldn't Lopeppeppy`
`20:15.28`	`zenzelezz`	`what makes you wonder in the first place?`
`20:15.32`	`Fisker`	`check your armory`
`20:15.39`	`Fisker`	`for sold gear`
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`20:28.09`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/13997/if-you-re-reading-this-while-i-m-in-combat/`
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`20:33.47`	`Bankone`	`Anyone here that can help me with Kevque?`
`20:34.12`	`Dagmar`	`heh`
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`20:35.24`	`Xinhuan`	`http://www.worldofwarcraftthemagazine.com/`
`20:35.36`	`Xinhuan`	`blizzard now has a preview of 40 pages of the first issue`
`20:35.40`	`Xinhuan`	`available free`
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`20:36.01`	`Lopeppeppy`	`But... will there be a real magazine someday!`
`20:37.24`	`Fisker`	`"Gridlocked"`
`20:37.25`	`Fisker`	`hoho`
`20:37.48`	`cairnz`	`that was a nice 40-page preview`
`20:39.01`	`Fisker`	`600k exp left :o`
`20:41.20`	`Kalroth`	`wow.com on paper, yaaay`
`20:43.33`	`Shirik`	`Here's a fun question for you math geeks`
`20:44.10`	`Shirik`	`I want to generate a "logarithmic probability" random number. That is, roughly, the chance to get a value 0-1 is equal to the chance of 1-10 is equal to 10-100 etc`
`20:44.21`	`Shirik`	`I am given a random number between 0 and 1`
`20:44.28`	`Shirik`	`now do some math on it to make that happen`
`20:44.28`	`Fisker`	`no u Shirik`
`20:45.11`	`Fisker`	`no u`
`20:46.23`	`cairnz`	`floor a random 3, recursive factorial multiplying by 10, multiply by numeric value between 0 and 1`
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`20:46.46`	`Shirik`	`uh`
`20:46.52`	`Shirik`	`this needs to be a simple operation`
`20:47.03`	`Shirik`	`it cannot be that slow`
`20:47.16`	`cairnz`	`how many times per second are you going to run it? :)`
`20:47.38`	`Shirik`	`a couple hundred times a second is probably an underestimate`
`20:47.56`	`cairnz`	`and you want this in lua i guess?`
`20:48.05`	`Shirik`	`nope`
`20:48.07`	`Shirik`	`C++`
`20:48.08`	`zenzelezz`	`keep a table pre-filled with the appropriate number of 0-1s, 2-10s,. 11-100s and random over the range`
`20:48.25`	`foxlit`	`^`
`20:48.34`	`cairnz`	`you want only integers, so 0-1, 2-9, 10-100 or ?`
`20:48.34`	`Adys`	`Every single item in game combined have an average item level of 86.215`
`20:48.46`	`zenzelezz`	`Adys: hm... interesting`
`20:48.57`	`Fisker`	`i would kiss you Shirik`
`20:48.58`	`Adys`	`they average an id of 27276.6, and a maximum damage of 28.36`
`20:49.00`	`cairnz`	`that puts sulfuras below average`
`20:49.10`	`Adys`	`that counts every item that doesn't have a maximum damage ofc`
`20:49.20`	`Shirik`	`no I don't only want integers`
`20:49.24`	`Shirik`	`it's a continuous spectrum`
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`20:49.46`	`Adys`	`counting only items that have a maximum damage, that averages to 225.7 dmg`
`20:50.27`	`Adys`	`I'm feeling in a statistical mood, so if someone wants to know something nobody gives a shit about, now is the time`
`20:50.45`	`cairnz`	`avg number of items per slot`
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`20:50.59`	`Adys`	`What do you mean?`
`20:51.10`	`Adys`	`oh`
`20:51.11`	`cairnz`	`wait, that's not an average :)`
`20:51.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`avg number of existing items per armor slot`
`20:51.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`actually... -avg`
`20:51.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`:p`
`20:51.28`	`cairnz`	`number of items per slot would be more correct`
`20:51.33`	`Adys`	`how many different slots are there?`
`20:51.37`	`zenzelezz`	`Adys: does your data set contain patch numbers? (when items were introduced)`
`20:51.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`18, I think?`
`20:51.47`	`Adys`	`zenzelezz: unfortunately no`
`20:51.54`	`Gnarfoz`	`!api slot`
`20:52.01`	`cairnz`	`Adys: playing with aggregates? :)`
`20:52.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`lua_bot on holidays :<`
`20:52.05`	`Adys`	`yeah`
`20:52.19`	`cairnz`	`using what tech?`
`20:52.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`~seen phanx`
`20:52.22`	`purl`	`phanx <n=phanx133@adsl-69-228-222-93.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 459d 20h 8m 50s ago, saying: 'Gnarfoz: thanks for committing that, btw'.`
`20:52.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`great last message, lol`
`20:52.56`	`Adys`	`there are 27 different slots, but that includes stuff like Robe and Chest as two different ones, same for ranged/relic/thrown, projectile, offhand/held in offhand`
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`20:54.16`	`Adys`	`That gives an average of 1561 items per slot for 18 different slots (28098 items have a slot in total), or 1187 known items with a slot`
`20:54.55`	`cairnz`	`Adys: just querying sql or do you have something on top?`
`20:55.03`	`Adys`	`django's sexy db framework`
`20:55.42`	`cairnz`	`ok, i'm not familiar with that to any extent`
`20:56.04`	`cairnz`	`but somewhere should there be a google spreadsheet of item dumps, with an attached panorama pivot on top`
`20:56.08`	`cairnz`	`that way you can do your own analysis`
`20:56.32`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/item/17/json`
`20:56.39`	`Adys`	`sniff it, process it, play with it all you want`
`20:56.53`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/item/17/ I even give you the next item by id on the page`
`20:57.23`	`cairnz`	`yeah, that could be done`
`20:57.57`	`Fisker`	`haha`
`20:58.06`	`Fisker`	`did they really change it just to avoid incompetent/corrupt gms?`
`20:58.16`	`Fisker`	`that's funny`
`20:58.18`	`cairnz`	`but it's more effort than what i could be bothered with now :] i did similar with some other db site years ago`
`20:58.37`	`Adys`	`Fisker: yah they changed it like the exact patch after it`
`20:58.48`	`Shirik`	`and then my blackberry decided to reset`
`20:58.49`	`Shirik`	`anyway`
`20:59.45`	`Fisker`	`did we ever get the real scoop on that story?`
`21:00.05`	`Shirik`	`ok so, the answer is foxlit`
`21:00.10`	`Fisker`	`if it was an innocent mistake or a corrupt gm, etc?`
`21:00.13`	`Fisker`	`btw foxlit`
`21:00.22`	`Adys`	`cairnz: wget http://db.mmo-champion.com/i{17..52062}`
`21:00.22`	`foxlit`	`If the answer is foxlit, what is the actual question?`
`21:00.26`	`Adys`	`cairnz: wget http://db.mmo-champion.com/i{17..52062}/json actually`
`21:00.36`	`Fisker`	`you get the luck of the draw debuff as long as anyone of the 5 people used "Random dungeon"`
`21:00.38`	`Shirik`	`for values from 0 to 1000000000, use y = 0.01e^(2.3026x)`
`21:00.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`Fisker: what are you talking about exactly?`
`21:00.41`	`Adys`	`Fisker: it was a mistake`
`21:00.55`	`Shirik`	`Im going to try 0 to 100 now`
`21:01.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`the Martin Fury to a player thing?`
`21:01.01`	`Adys`	`Gnarfoz: some player got hold of a gm item which let you kill every mob in 100 yd range on use`
`21:01.04`	`Xinhuan`	`shirik, 10^random(x) / 10`
`21:01.04`	`Fisker`	`Gnarfoz somehow a player got a hold of a shirt that oneshots anything`
`21:01.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, I recall.`
`21:01.14`	`Adys`	`Gnarfoz: and they abused it in ulduar heroic`
`21:01.18`	`Xinhuan`	`or something like that`
`21:01.19`	`foxlit`	`You're going to use floating point exponentiation? Yeah, that's nice.`
`21:01.37`	`Xinhuan`	`well i suppose its not that slow!`
`21:01.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`I wish I knew what that meant, lol :)`
`21:01.52`	`Fisker`	`hear me foxlit`
`21:02.30`	`Xinhuan`	`he wanted a continuous range, without a log function or a exp function, there's no way you can do it`
`21:02.53`	`Gnarfoz`	`I wonder what the replacements for those now neutered GM items are. :>`
`21:03.14`	`Shirik`	`for 0 to 1000 it's 0.1e^(2.3026x)`
`21:03.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`also, meh, can't link it on my realm :(`
`21:03.37`	`Shirik`	`what is 2.3026`
`21:03.39`	`Adys`	`Gnarfoz: try bloodhoof eu :)`
`21:03.42`	`Shirik`	`lua> math.exp(10)`
`21:03.46`	`zenzelezz`	`driver fails to drive through toll booth, leaves car behind: http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/12/27/nyheter/bilkjoring/ulykke/innenriks/trafikkulykke/9678432/`
`21:03.53`	`Gnarfoz`	`Adys: what does that help me, though, I want to link it on mine ;P`
`21:03.53`	`foxlit`	`But basically it's the same cdf mess.`
`21:03.55`	`Shirik`	`--> math.exp(10)`
`21:03.56`	`batbot`	`Shirik: > 22026.465794807`
`21:03.57`	`Fisker`	`old zenzelezz`
`21:04.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`Adys: didn't... Teomyr or someone have a page of linkable rare items?`
`21:04.26`	`zenzelezz`	`Fisker: I only read the news once or twice a day. Anyhow, that's from my town, so I found it more amusing`
`21:04.27`	`Shirik`	`foxlit: floating point exponentiation as opposed to what? :)`
`21:04.38`	`Adys`	`Gnarfoz: used to, back when we were bruteforcing every item`
`21:05.16`	`Xinhuan`	`so did i answer right, shirik? :p`
`21:05.20`	`Adys`	`its a funny coincidence since I stopped helping wowhead they didnt get a single item before me :P`
`21:05.20`	`Xinhuan`	`or close to it`
`21:05.20`	`Fisker`	`i found your mom amusing zenzelezz`
`21:05.21`	`Shirik`	`maybe`
`21:05.31`	`zenzelezz`	`Fisker: glad to hear it`
`21:05.31`	`Shirik`	`you aren't getting the same answer as excel, but you two seem on the same track`
`21:05.39`	`Shirik`	`I assume it has to do with e vs 10`
`21:06.00`	`zenzelezz`	`Adys: how do you find items these days?`
`21:06.05`	`Xinhuan`	`oh i'm just giving the idea, you can do the math yourself, you need to take exponent of something, or log of something to get the desired probability`
`21:06.31`	`Xinhuan`	`since you wanted the probability to be 0-1, 1-10, 10-100, etc, in base 10`
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`21:06.38`	`Xinhuan`	`your exp function has to have a base of 10, not e`
`21:06.39`	`Adys`	`zenzelezz: just like everyone else, I get them in the epic stash of ilvl 277 bosses leave behind when they are down to 95% hp`
`21:07.02`	`Fisker`	`it's logic foxlit`
`21:07.17`	`Shirik`	`Xinhuan: It seemed to be hitting the points correctly`
`21:07.25`	`Shirik`	`with e`
`21:07.32`	`Xinhuan`	`hmm actually you may be right, derivative of e^x is e^x...`
`21:07.41`	`zenzelezz`	`Adys: I don't really know how anyone does it these days. Do you still reach cache files or whatever files it was?`
`21:07.51`	`zenzelezz`	`*read`
`21:08.09`	`Shirik`	`so they're saying ne^(2.3026x). How to compute "n" is a problem`
`21:08.17`	`Adys`	`zenzelezz: Cache files, item.dbc for the unknown ones (db.mmo-champion.com/items/?stub)`
`21:08.19`	`Xinhuan`	`yah`
`21:08.33`	`Shirik`	`0 to 1000 is 0.1, 0 to 1000000000 is 0.01`
`21:08.38`	`Shirik`	`but I'm not sure why`
`21:08.49`	`Xinhuan`	`first you make it proportionally correct`
`21:08.51`	`Xinhuan`	`then you scale it down to make the probability range sum to 1`
`21:09.06`	`Shirik`	`omg you guys are killing me`
`21:09.11`	`zenzelezz`	`Adys: I see`
`21:09.16`	`Shirik`	`I can't do any "guess and check" or "recursion" nonsense`
`21:09.19`	`Shirik`	`this needs to be really fast :P`
`21:09.24`	`Adys`	`zenzelezz: I also generate itemcaches from the armory data`
`21:09.29`	`Adys`	`no special parser needed :)`
`21:09.36`	`Shirik`	`there needs to be a reason 0.1 and 0.01 are correct`
`21:09.40`	`batrick`	`what are you trying to do shirik?`
`21:09.41`	`Shirik`	`I just don't know why`
`21:09.50`	`foxlit`	`Do you know what you're doing?`
`21:10.05`	`zenzelezz`	`Adys: oh, how long does that take? I assume the armory would get unhappy with you if you keep asking too much, too fast`
`21:10.07`	`Xinhuan`	`shirik, you want the area under the probability curve to sum to 1, from 0-N`
`21:10.11`	`Xinhuan`	`try along that line`
`21:10.13`	`Shirik`	`batrick: Generate a random number between 0 and n in a logarithmic fashion. The probabiliy from 0 to 1 should be roughly equivalent of the probabiliy from 1 to 10 and such from 10 to 100, etc.`
`21:10.20`	`Adys`	`zenzelezz: Dunno, never got throttled`
`21:10.29`	`zenzelezz`	`Adys: interesting, cheers`
`21:10.31`	`Adys`	`wgetting the whole armory (eu+us) takes a hour or so`
`21:10.43`	`Adys`	`then generating the cache takes like 40 seconds`
`21:10.45`	`Shirik`	`batrick: As an input, I have a random number from [0,1]`
`21:10.49`	`Adys`	`(on a quadcore)`
`21:10.50`	`foxlit`	`define roughly equivalent, tbh`
`21:11.04`	`Ancu`	`am I dc'd?`
`21:11.07`	`Ancu`	`guess no`
`21:11.09`	`zenzelezz`	`Ancu: no`
`21:11.13`	`Adys`	`Ancu: yes`
`21:11.14`	`Shirik`	`"roughly equivalent" is defined as "I don't really care about it being exact, it just needs to kinda be like that because it's just a property that will work well with the system"`
`21:11.23`	`batrick`	`and as output you want [0, n] equally distributed?`
`21:11.30`	`Shirik`	`n`
`21:11.32`	`Shirik`	`no`
`21:11.41`	`foxlit`	`precompute a "roughly sufficient" table and interpolate the results for a continuous spectrum.`
`21:11.53`	`Shirik`	`I want numbers in the range between [0,1] to have equivalent probability to [1,10] and [10, 100], etc.`
`21:12.11`	`Shirik`	`foxlit: I can't compute a table to infinity :/`
`21:12.13`	`batrick`	`ahh`
`21:12.23`	`Shirik`	`I don't know what the bounds of this will need tobe`
`21:12.25`	`foxlit`	`You can't represent infinity anyway.`
`21:12.30`	`Shirik`	`sure I can`
`21:12.46`	`foxlit`	`Or, rather, you can't represent everything up to infinity.`
`21:12.59`	`Fisker`	`hear me foxlit :(`
`21:13.00`	`Shirik`	`that is correct, but my point is that I don't know how far I need to go`
`21:13.11`	`foxlit`	`roughly far enough, silly :)`
`21:13.37`	`batrick`	`if i understand it right you'll need a step function for that`
`21:13.46`	`batrick`	`and it won't be representable by elementary operations`
`21:13.47`	`Xinhuan`	`no`
`21:14.25`	`Shirik`	`Maybe I'll just generate a linear random number between 0.5 and 2 and let it mutate freely from there`
`21:14.30`	`Shirik`	`much simpler`
`21:14.45`	`Shirik`	`it will take longer to evolve but it's a lot easier to compute`
`21:15.04`	`batrick`	`is 60 degrees Celsius pretty normal for a GPU?`
`21:15.24`	`zenzelezz`	`think so`
`21:15.26`	`Xinhuan`	`should be fine if it doesn't go above 80`
`21:15.38`	`Xinhuan`	`85 is about as high as i'll let mine go anyway`
`21:15.39`	`batrick`	`thanks`
`21:18.28`	`Adys`	`batrick: perhaps if its very active`
`21:18.46`	`Fisker`	`200k exp!`
`21:18.54`	`Adys`	`my cpu after boot is around 35C`
`21:19.08`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm not in the habit of monitoring my GPU temperature... they sound so high. They always seem to be much higher than CPUs; I'm not sure if they measure differently`
`21:19.32`	`Adys`	`last time i used an ati card my gpu went to 130C or something`
`21:20.16`	`batrick`	`ya idling my GPU is at 60, my CPU is at 40`
`21:20.20`	`Shirik`	`batrick: So long as the magic smoke doesn't come out, you're fine`
`21:20.24`	`batrick`	`this is my laptop so not too much i can do`
`21:20.28`	`Adys`	`batrick: sounds good then`
`21:20.39`	`Adys`	`laptops are usually generating more heat during load`
`21:21.26`	`amro`	`GPU heatsinks/fans aren't as efficient as CPU ones`
`21:21.37`	`Adys`	`that depends`
`21:22.04`	`amro`	`yes, but if my GPU heatsink were any bigger it wouldn't fit in the case, whereas there's more room around the CPU`
`21:22.18`	`Adys`	`completely the opposite here`
`21:22.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`GPUs seem to always be quite a bit warmer, for whatever reason`
`21:23.07`	`Adys`	`probably because they require more power.`
`21:24.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`while idling? ;\`
`21:25.58`	`Gnarfoz`	`Adys: wtf @ ?stub page`
`21:26.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`Adys: does that mean there's 45906 unknown items out there? o_O`
`21:26.23`	`Adys`	`No, it includes items that are stubbed`
`21:26.30`	`Adys`	`it means there is a total of 45906 items`
`21:26.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`phew`
`21:26.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`that would've been insane :P`
`21:26.42`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?stub=1`
`21:26.56`	`Adys`	`that includes only stubbed items`
`21:26.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`7326 is still quite a lot.`
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`21:29.46`	`Adys`	`Gnarfoz: nah`
`21:30.06`	`foxlit`	`Shirik: the "proper" way to solve this is to define a probability density function that has the desired property, integrate that, and inverse it.`
`21:30.14`	`Adys`	`Gnarfoz: most of them < 30000, which is pre-wotlk stuff`
`21:30.15`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?stub=1&id__lt=30000`
`21:30.47`	`Gnarfoz`	`foxlit: I understand half the words in that sentence, is that a good quota?`
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`21:31.21`	`foxlit`	`The cheap way would be to use multiple random values in a while loop.`
`21:31.53`	`foxlit`	`The cheaper still way is to settle on a distribution that isn't so damn inconvenient :)`
`21:33.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dont think he is even paying attention to you foxlit`
`21:33.43`	`foxlit`	`It's np, I've ignored him through most of this HoL run.`
`21:33.44`	`Ancu`	`Hows it goin zorba`
`21:34.00`	`foxlit`	`asynchronous communication, that.`
`21:44.36`	`Ancu`	`Did I ever mention I hate dialup`
`21:47.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`a few times today, ya`
`21:50.31`	`Fisker`	`my hunter is a success`
`21:50.42`	`Fisker`	`over the tank in dps dinged 5 minutes ago`
`21:50.59`	`Ancu`	`nice`
`21:52.04`	`Ancu`	`I should also mention that I like dialup better then no internet`
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`21:56.52`	`Fisker`	`[22:54:38][Bowfisker] has earned the achievement [Dungeon & Raid Emblem]!`
`21:56.52`	`Fisker`	`[22:54:51][Party] [SÃ¨vÃ©n-Stormscale]: tt`
`21:56.52`	`Fisker`	`[22:54:59][Party] [SÃ¨vÃ©n-Stormscale]: lol`
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`22:05.12`	`foxlit`	`http://pastey.net/130713`
`22:09.30`	`foxlit`	`O`
`22:09.34`	`foxlit`	`I'm at a loss, really.`
`22:12.36`	`foxlit`	`I must've somehow tainted something else that tainted CombatLogQuickButtonFrame_Custom.`
`22:13.07`	`foxlit`	`Which is just brilliant in terms of being unable to debug it.`
`22:13.32`	`Fisker`	`yay`
`22:13.34`	`Fisker`	`first heroic done`
`22:13.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Can you revert to a version which did not taint, and then go forward from there slowly to see what you introduced that brought along the hideousness?`
`22:14.43`	`foxlit`	`I could, but me no want to :)`
`22:15.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Darlin', sometimes necessity don't care what you wanna do. :P`
`22:15.29`	`foxlit`	`By the looks of it, it's just UIDropDownMenu that's being awesome.`
`22:17.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ah, then your path is clear. Fixit!`
`22:20.46`	`foxlit`	`gr. It's not that -- I taint the combat log by hooking SetItemRef before it gets to it.`
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`22:21.07`	`foxlit`	`The combat log taints its widgets, the widgets taint UIParent's OnUpdate dispatcher, the dispatcher eventually tries to call a protected function.`
`22:21.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah, stop doing that.`
`22:21.40`	`foxlit`	`But I need that hook?`
`22:22.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`If it taints your entire addon, you can't need it that badly.`
`22:22.26`	`foxlit`	`Hey, everything works.`
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`22:22.48`	`foxlit`	`It's just the occasional "Hey, something tried to do something" message in chat.`
`22:22.51`	`Shadowed`	`One patch Blizzard will fix the dropdown being terrible :(`
`22:25.10`	`Shadowed`	`tempted to rewrite it all as a secure wrapper so it all works`
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`22:53.09`	`Ancu`	`oh goody, my game froze in loading...i think`
`22:53.43`	`Jerub`	`sigh. i'm on holidays away from wow.`
`22:53.54`	`Jerub`	`anyone feel like running a random dungeon on my toon ?:P`
`22:55.43`	`Jerub`	`by away from wow, i mean, away from my pc`
`22:57.28`	`Jerub`	`at least it's given me a chance to have a good hard look at my gear and decide which raids to prioritise.`
`23:02.49`	`Polarina`	`Jerub: :P`
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`23:21.17`	`Cruciformer`	`Shirik: ping`
`23:21.24`	`Shirik`	`what do you want from me!`
`23:21.38`	`Cruciformer`	`LR help :)`
`23:21.57`	`Cruciformer`	`Where LR = lightroom :P`
`23:22.32`	`Cruciformer`	`Is there a way to export a catalog where all the images are resized down to manageable proportions not the huge size that comes off the camera/`
`23:22.42`	`Iriel`	`You'd export images for that`
`23:22.49`	`Iriel`	`and tell it how big you want the image`
`23:22.57`	`zenzelezz`	`I keep all my images in 12 megapixel thumbnails`
`23:23.04`	`Iriel`	`"Catalog operations" are inherently non-modifying`
`23:23.05`	`Cruciformer`	`Iriel: Do I have to do that for each image or can I do it for an entire catalog?`
`23:23.24`	`Iriel`	`You can do it for as may images as you have selected`
`23:23.49`	`Cruciformer`	`sweet let me checkl that out ... so right-click in library module?`
`23:23.53`	`Iriel`	`It'll be creating derivative images combining the source images and any edits/metadata`
`23:24.09`	`Shirik`	`sorry had to go away :(`
`23:24.32`	`Shirik`	`but yeah what Iriel said`
`23:24.37`	`Iriel`	`Let me check which menu option it's under`
`23:25.13`	`Cruciformer`	`found it ... I just hadnt scrolled down the whole dialog. doh!`
`23:25.20`	`Iriel`	`File -> Export`
`23:26.33`	`Cruciformer`	`ok one more question about it then. Its letting me specify the size, like 1000x1000. But what if the original isn't square? Is it going to contrain proportions or will it make it exactly that size (or use that as a max)?`
`23:26.48`	`Iriel`	`It constrains`
`23:27.26`	`Iriel`	`If you are using "Width and Height'`
`23:27.47`	`Iriel`	`I think 'Dimensions' might do the other`
`23:27.51`	`Cruciformer`	`ok ... so I dont have to use the "long edge" to get it to constrain. Cool.`
`23:28.21`	`Iriel`	`If export doesn't do what you need you can always write your own plugin in lua`
`23:28.41`	`Cruciformer`	`I may just do that :)`
`23:31.31`	`Cruciformer`	`thanks a bunch Iriel. the width height one was the correct one, it constrains proportions.`
`23:31.50`	`Cruciformer`	`is 72dpi the usual for screens these days or 90?`
`23:39.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`We're still designing for 72dpi, Cruciformer. There may be higher out there, but it's not the average yet.`
`23:39.24`	`Cruciformer`	`thanks Lopeppeppy`
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`23:46.37`	`ZorbaTHut`	`we need for resizable UIs to show up before people start designing for other than 72dpi`
`23:46.49`	`ZorbaTHut`	`and goddamn I wish the OS designers would get on top of that already`
`23:53.59`	`cairnz`	`Shirik: did you find anything fast enough?`
`23:59.08`	`Shirik`	`?`
`23:59.48`	`Kraps`	`do i get emblem gear for tanking or dps first?`

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