| 00:00.56 | Shadowed | It's not really that cluttered if you don't count the giantass store shill |
| 00:01.14 | Shadowed | Also the fact that they tell you about the completion tracker twice |
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| 00:03.22 | Adys | i count one logo, four menus, one searchbox and search button... a one liner ad, a GIANTASS ad, a privacy/advertise/tou/aboutus link, a copyright and parent logo, SEVEN promolinks including two big images, two red "New!", four language links, one language dropdown (wtf?), a signin and yet another promolink |
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| 00:04.00 | Adys | google.com has only one image, and a dozen links, most of them small-size |
| 00:04.17 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes less is far, far more. |
| 00:04.25 | Adys | and as a matter of fact you cant see any of those links until you hover the page |
| 00:04.55 | Adys | And, as of today |
| 00:05.02 | Adys | I officially have a scrollbar on the wowhead homepage |
| 00:05.05 | Hjalte | Adys: Cow-chick is hawt |
| 00:05.22 | Adys | here goes my 1900x res |
| 00:07.14 | Adys | speaking of |
| 00:07.17 | Adys | time to release 2.2 |
| 00:22.11 | Shadowed | Adys I don't see the ads |
| 00:26.08 | Adys | Shadowed: by ad i meant promotion |
| 00:47.55 | Shirik | merry christmas baby |
| 00:48.07 | Shirik | Cairenn, why aren't you with your family? |
| 00:48.36 | Lopeppeppy | pokes Shirik with a sharp stick. |
| 00:48.46 | Shirik | pokes Lopeppeppy with a blunt spoon |
| 00:49.03 | Lopeppeppy | Be nice. |
| 00:49.27 | Lopeppeppy | If you said that to me, you'd make me cry for hours! |
| 00:55.21 | Shirik | :/ |
| 00:55.23 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 00:55.36 | Shirik | You have us as a family :) |
| 00:55.46 | Shirik | But Cairenn should be with her daughter |
| 00:57.16 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe she is. :) |
| 00:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Shirik. |
| 01:05.44 | bleeter | http://is.gd/5Bzos |
| 01:06.30 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple, the same the world over. |
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| 01:07.20 | bleeter | yeah just sayin' nothin's changed yet ;) |
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| 01:19.13 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, do you have a new year's resolution yet? |
| 01:22.21 | Corrodias2 | my resolution is 1920x1200 (x2) |
| 01:22.52 | Corrodias2 | is almost -too- funny |
| 01:23.06 | DWSR | mind blasting. |
| 01:25.23 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to get Rosie better. |
| 01:25.55 | Shirik | :) |
| 01:26.21 | _rane | combat log breaking is starting to cost blizzard some moey |
| 01:27.12 | Corrodias2 | in terms of development time? |
| 01:28.20 | DWSR | _rane: What do you mean, breaking? |
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| 01:29.04 | Shirik | what do you mean cost money? |
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| 01:30.02 | Arrowmaster | grandma's getting detoxed, no more whiskey for her |
| 01:31.58 | Corrodias2 | what do you mean, blizzard? |
| 01:34.20 | Lopeppeppy | has to laugh. |
| 01:34.37 | Lopeppeppy | If people are "omg, I QUIT" because of combat log bugs, that's their problem. |
| 01:34.47 | haste | wat |
| 01:34.53 | Corrodias2 | no way, WoW has never had bugs before |
| 01:35.28 | Lopeppeppy | For serious. And it's so game breaking that everyone should quit. |
| 01:35.46 | _rane | Lopeppeppy: boohoo |
| 01:35.49 | Lopeppeppy | Now, I admit it's a serious annoyance, I'm sure. And I'm also sure it's being worked on. |
| 01:35.50 | _rane | it is gamebreaking for me |
| 01:35.53 | Corrodias2 | i quit over a year ago in anticipation of this bug. i knew it was coming. |
| 01:36.25 | _rane | I can understand it not being gamebreaking for someone who doesn't play arena on a druid |
| 01:38.00 | Lopeppeppy | There are plenty of people it's not gamebreaking for. And your choice is to give up in a huff, or wait and do something else while it gets fixed. Your choice. |
| 01:39.27 | DWSR | what CL bug? |
| 01:43.14 | _rane | Lopeppeppy: thanks for the newsflash, I really didn't realize that! |
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| 01:44.02 | _rane | DWSR: the one that occurs to me after every other arena game disabling addons that depend combat log |
| 01:44.12 | _rane | known bug |
| 01:45.13 | DWSR | QQ more blah blah blah. |
| 01:45.23 | DWSR | Give me a symptom or leave, troll. |
| 01:45.28 | _rane | troll? |
| 01:45.39 | _rane | didn't I just give you a symptom? |
| 01:45.47 | DWSR | No. |
| 01:45.56 | DWSR | You just said that it's a bug that causes a problem. |
| 01:46.16 | DWSR | That's like saying the sky is blue. |
| 01:46.18 | Iriel | That level of detail's about like walking into a doctor and saying 'when I eat food it hurts' |
| 01:46.24 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:46.46 | _rane | not much is known except that combat log stops working and addons that depends on combat log break at the same time |
| 01:46.50 | _rane | happy? |
| 01:47.00 | bleeter | yes blizz coders should get back to work on christmas day and fix it |
| 01:47.00 | _rane | Mikord has reported it on the forums |
| 01:47.08 | Iriel | So, when you say 'Disabling addons' do you mean literally changing them to disabled on the AddOn control UI? |
| 01:47.08 | bleeter | damn their black hearts |
| 01:47.08 | DWSR | I agree bleeter. |
| 01:47.12 | bleeter | they should have no time off |
| 01:47.31 | DWSR | bleeter: I thought they were all imps from HFP anyway? |
| 01:48.05 | Lopeppeppy | No, a few are dragonkin. |
| 01:48.09 | _rane | Iriel: obviously not |
| 01:48.21 | Lopeppeppy | So, what does this bug do to people who do NOT have addons installed? |
| 01:48.36 | bleeter | LOADSAMONEY |
| 01:48.43 | bleeter | oops, that's wishful thinking |
| 01:49.13 | Iriel | obviously NOT obviously or I wouldn't have asked |
| 01:49.23 | bleeter | obviously |
| 01:49.29 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: It's obvious Deathwing runs Blizzard. |
| 01:49.49 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: And that WoW is just a way for him to act out his plan to conquer humanity. |
| 01:50.05 | Lopeppeppy | Well, yeah, but the dragonkin won't admit that. They're not allowed to talk |
| 01:50.06 | bleeter | in soviet russia...? interesting |
| 01:50.29 | Iriel | Ok, so, disabled is presumably a code word meaning 'prevents functionality of for a while' -- does the problem go away when you /reload ? |
| 01:52.15 | Arrowmaster | i experienced the bug a very long time ago, requires a full relog to fix |
| 01:52.24 | Arrowmaster | reload doesnt fix it |
| 01:53.04 | Iriel | Is that the old sync issue where it'd get confused about which zone you were to receive events from (and you'd get none) ? |
| 01:53.13 | _rane | possibly |
| 01:53.23 | Lopeppeppy | Arrowmaster, does it only effect people with addons, or does it effect people without addons as well? |
| 01:53.30 | DWSR | Your mom's the old sync issue that gets confused. |
| 01:53.34 | DWSR | And she receives NONE! |
| 01:53.41 | _rane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20565929210&postId=206753175741&sid=1#1 |
| 01:53.44 | _rane | this one |
| 01:54.01 | Arrowmaster | should effect everybody, its a core client/server bug |
| 01:54.02 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: I would suspect that the effect on people not using addons is harder to measure, because a ton of people who don't use addons also don't even know the combat log exists. |
| 01:54.47 | Arrowmaster | i experienced it back in black temple during 2.4.0 |
| 01:55.03 | Arrowmaster | and actually had zootfizzle in this channel and talking at the time |
| 01:55.14 | Lopeppeppy | It may be harder, but that's the data that Bliz is going to base their fix off - how it behaves for those not using addons. |
| 01:55.33 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: So you're ot sure this is the same problem, just that it has vaguely similar symptoms? |
| 01:55.43 | bleeter | could well just be a heisenbug |
| 01:55.54 | bleeter | bound to be a couple of them inside WoW somewhere |
| 01:55.59 | Arrowmaster | is it the issue where you dont get any combat log events at all? |
| 01:56.03 | Lopeppeppy | or any of the other similar vague bugs... schroedinbug! |
| 01:56.11 | Arrowmaster | if so then its the same effect, probably the same cause too |
| 01:56.30 | bleeter | Arrowmaster, Iriel: the URL that _rane posted does seem to be descriptive of same issue fer sure |
| 01:56.34 | Iriel | Speaking of wierd bugs, has anyone else been expiriencing a 'things die twice' issue lately (and no, that's not a wierd Brazil reference) |
| 01:57.07 | Arrowmaster | heard of that one but only heard, i dont play anymore |
| 01:57.21 | DWSR | Iriel: Yes. |
| 01:57.29 | DWSR | Iriel: It tends to happen when I get killing blows. |
| 01:57.43 | DWSR | I receive both the has slain and died event. |
| 01:57.45 | Shirik | pets Iriel |
| 01:57.46 | bleeter | interesting that the thread that _rane posted, the last post in there talks about zoning |
| 01:58.01 | bleeter | so, yeah, Iriel, sounds like the same thing |
| 01:59.11 | bleeter | and if that's been around that long, no doubt deeply buried in combat system. if not fixed by now, prolly needs total rewrite. though increasing ocurrences may be indicative of new coders not fully aware of internal issue record of what trips it. |
| 01:59.16 | bleeter | just my 2c |
| 01:59.23 | bleeter | certainly not /ragequit worthy >< |
| 01:59.30 | Iriel | I would post it to the bug forum |
| 01:59.36 | Iriel | Include the fact that /reload does NOT fix it |
| 01:59.42 | Iriel | and the details from that thread |
| 01:59.54 | Iriel | Since it's not a UI issue, per se |
| 02:00.00 | bleeter | yeah, /reload should fix stuff. is bad bug if /reload doesn't. |
| 02:00.07 | bleeter | *spanks* bug |
| 02:00.11 | bleeter | NAUGHTY |
| 02:00.24 | bleeter | oh, hai. that thread's in UI, not BUG. lol |
| 02:00.31 | bleeter | hadn't noticed that. |
| 02:01.04 | Arrowmaster | well i didnt trigger the bug by zoning i dont think |
| 02:01.22 | Arrowmaster | i thought i triggered it by getting one shot on a RoS wipe |
| 02:03.59 | Arrowmaster | oh what the fuck, i got a 602 server busy try again later while running this java client and the buttons to stop and start are still disabled |
| 02:05.27 | Shirik | Documentation question. Envision a function with 2 numerical parameters. The operation is invalid if one is positive and one is negative |
| 02:05.33 | Arrowmaster | java.io.IOException: Cannot run program "rundll32": java.io.IOException: error=2, No such file or directory |
| 02:05.35 | Shirik | What do you call that? "If the signs differ"? |
| 02:05.36 | Arrowmaster | heh |
| 02:05.41 | DWSR | Shirik: Yes. |
| 02:05.55 | Shirik | Seems |
| 02:06.09 | Iriel | Why not just say 'one is positive and one is negative'? |
| 02:06.18 | Shirik | it seems too wordy >< |
| 02:06.21 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:06.24 | Lopeppeppy | That was my question. Why not just say it, if that's what you mean. |
| 02:06.24 | Shirik | and "signs differ" seems informal |
| 02:06.36 | Shirik | On a side note |
| 02:06.38 | DWSR | It's not about what's technically correct. |
| 02:06.41 | Shirik | what is the geometric mean of -2 and -2? |
| 02:06.44 | Shirik | Is it -4 or 4? |
| 02:06.45 | Iriel | is zero positive or negative? |
| 02:06.48 | Lopeppeppy | Say what you mean, don't leave people to guess. |
| 02:06.52 | DWSR | Iriel: Neither. |
| 02:06.56 | sioraiocht | Iriel: neither |
| 02:07.03 | sioraiocht | oh, sorry DWSR =p |
| 02:07.11 | Arrowmaster | lua> -0 |
| 02:07.12 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: -0 |
| 02:07.17 | Arrowmaster | lua> 0 |
| 02:07.17 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 0 |
| 02:07.25 | Shirik | bleh |
| 02:07.26 | Iriel | I meant 'in the context of the documentation' |
| 02:07.27 | Arrowmaster | lua> 0 == -0 |
| 02:07.27 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: true |
| 02:07.29 | Shirik | I mean is it -2 or 2 |
| 02:07.30 | Arrowmaster | bah |
| 02:08.13 | DWSR | Shirik: What do you mean, the geometric meaning? |
| 02:08.18 | Shirik | geometric mean |
| 02:08.20 | DWSR | oh, mean* |
| 02:08.21 | DWSR | thank you |
| 02:08.57 | DWSR | Shirik: It's 2. |
| 02:09.07 | Shirik | doesn't that seem odd? |
| 02:09.14 | DWSR | No. |
| 02:09.24 | Shirik | the geometric mean of two negative numbers is a positive number? |
| 02:09.43 | DWSR | Multiplying two negative numbers together yields a positive number. |
| 02:10.05 | DWSR | One is not significantly more wierd than the other (mostly because the definition of geometric mean relies on multiplication) |
| 02:10.16 | Iriel | Wikipedia says: The geometric mean only applies to positive numbers |
| 02:10.25 | Iriel | which makes sense, given the definition |
| 02:10.40 | Shirik | I saw that but wasn't sure if I should trust it |
| 02:10.44 | DWSR | Iriel: Why can't you define the geometric mean in complex numbers? |
| 02:11.20 | Iriel | It's defined in terms of magnitudes, not in terms of 'values' per so |
| 02:11.56 | DWSR | Iriel: So? We're just using a different set of numbers. |
| 02:12.07 | Iriel | Well, sort of |
| 02:12.22 | Iriel | But you can't have 2+3i liters of water |
| 02:12.25 | Iriel | it just doesn't make sense |
| 02:12.28 | DWSR | Yes you can. |
| 02:12.31 | Iriel | I guess you'd just use |N| |
| 02:12.36 | DWSR | It just doesn't have any practical appliccation |
| 02:12.54 | Shirik | 2+3i liters of water = 2 liters of water and 3 liters of mirage |
| 02:12.57 | Iriel | the result is always a positiev number |
| 02:13.04 | Iriel | (for geometric mean) |
| 02:13.12 | Iriel | I'd say if your inputs were 2 and -2, the result is 2 |
| 02:13.16 | Iriel | sign is irrelevant |
| 02:13.19 | Iriel | but meaningless |
| 02:13.20 | Shirik | I'm just going to throw an exception if an input is negative |
| 02:13.56 | Iriel | IllegalArgumentException (or equiv) FTW |
| 02:14.30 | Shirik | It's actually a custom exception that causes the organism to die :) |
| 02:14.33 | DWSR | Iriel: When you say that you can't have 2+3i litres of water, you're thinking in terms of practicality. |
| 02:14.45 | DWSR | You can certainly have 2+3i litres of water. |
| 02:15.17 | DWSR | It's just meaningless in terms of a measureable value. |
| 02:15.27 | Iriel | DWSR: I guess a different way of phrasing my objection is, that for the complex domain, the geometric mean is a set of values all the same 'distance' from 0 |
| 02:15.29 | DWSR | empirically* |
| 02:16.13 | Iriel | and generally folks dont want an infinite number of answers to a question such as 'what is the mean of these values' |
| 02:16.35 | DWSR | Iriel: Those people aren't mathematicians |
| 02:16.41 | DWSR | And they should really GTFO. |
| 02:17.14 | Iriel | I'm a former mathematician and I dont think that complex numbers belong EVERYWHERE |
| 02:17.23 | Iriel | there's something to be said for practicality/pragmatism |
| 02:17.35 | DWSR | I'm mostly playing devil's advocate. |
| 02:17.38 | DWSR | :P |
| 02:18.51 | Shirik | I've taken many courses in signal processing |
| 02:18.57 | Shirik | I believe complex numbers are everywhere |
| 02:19.12 | Shirik | Screw sine waves |
| 02:19.18 | Shirik | e^jw waves ftw |
| 02:20.23 | DWSR | anyway night all. |
| 02:20.36 | DWSR | Merry Christmahanukwanzica. |
| 02:21.14 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20565929210&postId=206753175741&sid=1#1 |
| 02:21.21 | bleeter | bah |
| 02:21.24 | bleeter | bad paste is bad, sorry |
| 02:21.36 | Shirik | bleeter, I will be forced to ban you now |
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| 02:23.58 | Thunder_Child | you dont have the balls for that Shirik |
| 02:23.58 | Shirik | nope :( |
| 02:27.36 | _rane | okay, the combat log bug we discussed just happened to me after zoning into org from arena |
| 02:28.00 | _rane | definitely something to do with changing zones, then |
| 02:32.50 | Iriel | I think it's a failure in the zoning handoff between servers, either the server or client gets confused and loses your event subscription. |
| 02:39.44 | haste | it's 3:30 AM and ulduar is lagging like no tomorrow </3 |
| 02:43.02 | Corrodias2 | it already IS tomorrow! THE FUTURE is now. |
| 02:46.57 | bleeter | Iriel: which would explain why there's not been a prompt fix, and probably also why bitrot's causing more stuff to 'trigger' it. wonder what major server work's being done for Cata. Certainly NOW is the time to BUGREPORT it |
| 02:50.22 | Iriel | bleeter: indeed,the UI forum's definitely not the place to get it fixed |
| 02:56.26 | bleeter | yeah zone desync would be a bitch to fix |
| 02:56.38 | bleeter | trembles at the thought of dependants |
| 02:58.01 | Iriel | who knows, could be something as simple as a race condition between the new zone registering and the old zone unregistering |
| 02:59.40 | bleeter | true, but might be load dependant, too... only eventuates with X number of people performing operation within Y miliseconds on Z ping |
| 02:59.48 | bleeter | hence... /shudder lol |
| 02:59.55 | bleeter | I'm just too much of a pessimist ;) |
| 03:03.21 | Lopeppeppy | Pessimist your way to the real bug forum and give 'em what for, darlin'. *hug* |
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| 03:12.48 | _rane | weird, this could be just a lucky streak but ever since I opened another window with combat log in it beside by chat I haven't had the bug occur :P |
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| 03:16.52 | Iriel | im going to go with lucky |
| 03:20.33 | mikma | any ideas why the "grant a level" wont work? level req? |
| 03:24.25 | Cide | speaking of lucky |
| 03:24.53 | Cide | today I rolled two dice 7 times and got the same value on both 6 times out of 7 |
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| 03:25.12 | Cide | not extraordinarily lucky I admit, but still! |
| 03:25.31 | Cide | (this was actually beneficial in the game we were playing, so it felt even luckier then) |
| 03:37.20 | Iriel | Cide about a 1:56k chace |
| 03:38.07 | Iriel | Sorry, 1:8k |
| 03:38.50 | Cide | that's not too bad |
| 03:38.55 | Cide | guess I deserved the hate |
| 03:44.09 | Shirik | I hate you Cide |
| 03:45.11 | Cide | well I don't hate you |
| 03:45.24 | Cide | it's christmas! |
| 03:45.49 | Kalroth | aww |
| 03:46.57 | Codayus | Hm, 8k? Isn't it just a binomial with n=6, k=5, p=1/36? |
| 03:47.38 | Cide | it's p=1/6 |
| 03:47.39 | Kalroth | same value, not identical eyes |
| 03:47.46 | Codayus | Ah. |
| 03:47.47 | Iriel | it's (6 ^ 7) / 7 / 5 |
| 03:48.54 | Codayus | Wouldn't you need to know the value then? Not all values on a pair of dice have a p=1/6. :) |
| 03:49.53 | Kalroth | True, doing it with 2 is a little harder than doing it with eg. 8 |
| 03:49.58 | Cide | I think we can assume they were fair with negligible loss of accuracy |
| 03:50.13 | Kalroth | Are you a proper geek or not? |
| 03:50.29 | Cide | I'm a realistic geek |
| 03:50.51 | Kalroth | You might as well say you click buttons in raids, your EJ account will be banned and soon you'll be featured on wow.com |
| 03:51.05 | Codayus | Yes, but the chance of rolling 6 two's in 7 throws is a *LOT* different than the chance of rolling 6 7s in 7 throws... |
| 03:51.23 | Cide | what? |
| 03:51.35 | Kalroth | is confused now. |
| 03:51.35 | Cide | they were regular 6-sided dice |
| 03:51.37 | Iriel | You dont need to know the values |
| 03:51.49 | Kalroth | Iriel: How come? |
| 03:51.59 | Cide | the probability to get the same value is 1/n for a fair dice with n sides |
| 03:52.15 | Iriel | Because you roll 2 6 sided dice, you only care that the 2nd has the same value as the first |
| 03:52.17 | Iriel | not what the value is |
| 03:52.26 | Iriel | so there's 6^6 for the 6 that DiD match |
| 03:52.32 | Kalroth | You got 2..12 as possible values. Rolling 6x 12's in a row is a lot harder than rolling 6x 8's in a row - no? |
| 03:52.36 | Iriel | then there's a 5 in 6 chance for a non-match |
| 03:52.55 | Cide | it's not about the total value |
| 03:53.04 | Iriel | (Oh, I see, you mean know what SIZE dice they are, you would need to know that, I assumed since he didn't specify it was 6 sided) |
| 03:53.15 | Cide | nah |
| 03:53.18 | Iriel | then the final 7 is because any one of the 7 thows could have been the not-matching one |
| 03:53.27 | Cide | he thinks I meant that I got the same *sum* 6 times out of 7 |
| 03:53.27 | Kalroth | Naw, I didn't mean size - but I see what you mean now :) |
| 03:53.33 | Kalroth | You didn't? |
| 03:53.35 | Cide | no |
| 03:53.48 | Cide | die A had the same value as die B 6 times out of 7 |
| 03:53.49 | Kalroth | So you -did- get identical eyes on 6 throws? |
| 03:53.53 | Cide | yes |
| 03:54.15 | Kalroth | Then it's higher than 8k, no? :p |
| 03:54.53 | Cide | should be 6C5 * (5/6)^6 * 1/6 |
| 03:55.12 | Iriel | I calculate it as one in 7998.1714 |
| 03:55.46 | Cide | 6C5 is 6! / 5! == 6 |
| 03:56.02 | Cide | so 5/(6^6) |
| 03:56.07 | Cide | lua> 5/(6^6) |
| 03:56.11 | lua_bot | Cide: 0.00010716735253772 |
| 03:56.13 | Cide | lua> 6^6/5 |
| 03:56.15 | lua_bot | Cide: 9331.2 |
| 03:56.18 | Cide | is what I get |
| 03:56.26 | Iriel | That's not right though |
| 03:56.30 | Iriel | there were 7 rolls |
| 03:56.41 | Cide | hm yeah |
| 03:56.44 | Cide | oh |
| 03:57.00 | Cide | should be 7C6 * (5/6)^6 * 1/6 |
| 03:57.27 | Kalroth | 23.5k? |
| 03:57.30 | Codayus | Cide: 6C5 * (1/36)^5 * (35/36) No? And I'm assuming we're wondering at the possiblity of matching the first roll on 5 of 6 throws, rather than rolling a predetermined number on 6 of 7? |
| 03:57.54 | Kalroth | well it's any 6 out of 7 |
| 03:58.08 | Cide | getting identical eyes on 6 throws out of 7 on 2 dice is identical to getting a predetermined value 6 times out of 7 with 1 die |
| 03:58.29 | Codayus | Doh, right. Order of dice doesn't matter. I'm slow today. |
| 03:59.05 | Cide | Iriel was right all along tho |
| 03:59.16 | Kalroth | Curse him. |
| 03:59.19 | Cide | 7C6 * (5/6)^6 * 1/6 == (6^6)/7/5 |
| 03:59.23 | Kalroth | shakes his fist at Iriel. |
| 03:59.35 | Cide | he usually has that effect :/ |
| 03:59.42 | Iriel | If it makes you feel any better my hunter just ran out of ammo in the middle of a quest |
| 03:59.49 | Cide | it does, thanks :) |
| 03:59.59 | Kalroth | I grouped with a meleeing hunter yesterday. |
| 03:59.59 | Iriel | in fairness i'm level 39 and was trying to avoid buying too much of the soon-to-be-obsolete arrows |
| 04:00.15 | Iriel | I was 9,200 xp short |
| 04:00.31 | Kalroth | Let your pet do the rest of the work |
| 04:00.51 | Iriel | I dont have that kind of time |
| 04:00.53 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 04:01.51 | Iriel | A quick trip back to Grom gol and i'm all good |
| 04:02.21 | Kalroth | I'd play my hunter a lot more if I could misdirect one mob to attack another mob |
| 04:02.29 | Kalroth | But sadly Blizzard thought it could be abused! |
| 04:07.07 | Iriel | WoW needs Aion style express mail |
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| 05:04.08 | Cairenn | Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas! :) |
| 05:04.24 | Iriel | offers everyone peppermint bark |
| 05:05.24 | Cairenn | has just returned from spending the entire day with her family over at her folks' house, and stuffing herself silly on turkey and all the fixings |
| 05:05.41 | Shirik | Cairenn had too much egg nog |
| 05:05.58 | Arrowmaster | mine sucked |
| 05:05.59 | Iriel | Cairenn would not have a 'too much' for egg nog |
| 05:06.08 | Shirik | truth |
| 05:06.09 | Cairenn | indeed, Iriel |
| 05:06.13 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: :( |
| 05:06.16 | Cairenn | sorry to hear that |
| 05:40.22 | airtonix | its my impression that help desk and teaching has something in common with regards to good experiences... |
| 05:40.35 | airtonix | if the other person wants to learn |
| 05:40.48 | airtonix | and both are patient |
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| 05:41.09 | airtonix | does anyone here work as a teacher or as help desk support ? |
| 05:46.11 | Shirik | I agree |
| 05:46.27 | Shirik | as someone who teaches lab courses |
| 05:46.59 | Shirik | however, I'm also perfectly willing to let people who are unwilling to learn on their own struggle painfully |
| 05:47.13 | airtonix | its own form of teaching... |
| 05:47.14 | Shirik | so it really depends on how you define "good experiences" |
| 05:47.52 | airtonix | well a bad experience is when you're expected to wave a wand and produce magic for an impatient chap on a mobile screaming along the obahn in his audi tt |
| 05:49.04 | airtonix | or when (as a teacher) your day consists of something more like a prision worker managing 16year olds at a public school |
| 05:49.29 | Zhinjio | for those interested: http://bit.ly/5MFUi5 |
| 05:49.40 | Zhinjio | slightly blurry picture of my daughter this evening |
| 05:49.55 | Zhinjio | can't help laughing |
| 05:50.00 | airtonix | 404 |
| 05:50.04 | airtonix | already |
| 05:50.19 | Zhinjio | srsly? |
| 05:50.20 | Zhinjio | bah |
| 05:50.24 | airtonix | lol |
| 05:50.32 | airtonix | joking |
| 05:50.38 | airtonix | thats some serious rage |
| 05:50.47 | airtonix | she getting ready to push one out ? |
| 05:50.49 | Zhinjio | oddly enough, thats her funny face. |
| 05:51.06 | Shirik | Pandora, fuck you |
| 05:51.14 | airtonix | my step dad said the first day he met me when i was 5 i had that expression on my face |
| 05:51.18 | Shirik | somehow "Poker face" ended up on my "Ace of Base" station |
| 05:51.41 | airtonix | Shirik, thats greek love for you |
| 05:52.43 | kd3 | whee... a day off work |
| 05:52.50 | airtonix | hah : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FUtTII2upc |
| 05:53.07 | airtonix | wonder where that compiz plugin comes from |
| 05:53.49 | airtonix | actually it might be xscreensaver |
| 05:54.01 | airtonix | ahh |
| 05:56.13 | Arrowmaster | its a plasma wallpaper |
| 05:56.54 | airtonix | yeah who knows what its back end is (plasma can render with pretty much any tech) |
| 05:57.35 | airtonix | and you need to be running kde for plasma to work since plasma is a integral core of kde4 |
| 05:57.45 | airtonix | plasma is like gnome-panel is to gnome |
| 05:58.49 | airtonix | in terms of how entrenched it is to kde4 |
| 05:59.20 | airtonix | aparently opera is separating their widgets from the browser |
| 05:59.55 | Polarina | Lol at wowinterface! |
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| 06:00.37 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:00.55 | Polarina | Da vorto de Winter Veil ist en da indiko! |
| 06:00.57 | kd3 | wonders how badly he was lagging |
| 06:02.54 | Polarina | Anyone who didn't understand that and has +o on himself, can get a translation. :P |
| 06:06.43 | Wobin | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/funny-pictures-cat-likes-boxes.jpg |
| 06:07.00 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 06:07.49 | kd3 | looks like my cat after getting into my tv box |
| 06:07.50 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:31.02 | Wobin | http://www.spiderrobinson.com/melancholyelephants.html |
| 06:31.12 | Wobin | very good short story about copyright... |
| 06:31.18 | Wobin | (if you haven't read it already) |
| 06:52.11 | Shirik | goes to sleep |
| 06:57.20 | Cairenn | interesting |
| 07:27.13 | batrick | my google fu is not good enough to figure out this last clue :( |
| 07:27.33 | batrick | Cairenn: I bet you get kicks out of all the 404 log messages :P |
| 07:27.36 | batrick | or maybe Dolby does |
| 07:27.44 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 07:28.19 | Thunder_Child | the clue is easy |
| 07:28.31 | batrick | ya well i can't find the corresponding page :( |
| 07:28.43 | Cairenn | I knew some were going to be harder than others, but didn't expect this one to be |
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| 07:28.59 | batrick | all i find are forum posts :S |
| 07:29.03 | kaiden | Hey guys, last night someone told me about the addon SPEW, and also listed a /command that dumps all the frames under the mouse |
| 07:29.10 | kaiden | what's that /command? it's like /framestack i think |
| 07:29.11 | Cairenn | batrick: and what says that's wrong? |
| 07:29.15 | kaiden | but i dont have a wow client to test it out |
| 07:29.30 | batrick | Cairenn: none of those forum posts had the magic word though QQ |
| 07:29.40 | Thunder_Child | batrick: idiot |
| 07:30.02 | batrick | Thunder_Child: why are you always in a foul mood towards me |
| 07:30.02 | Cairenn | the correct one does |
| 07:30.26 | Thunder_Child | what can i say batrick, you bring out the best in me |
| 07:31.13 | batrick | ah crap |
| 07:31.22 | batrick | found it |
| 07:31.25 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 07:32.16 | batrick | do you keep track of words that are invalid Cairenn? I'm curious what the most popular invalid ones were if you care to share ^_^ |
| 07:32.21 | Thunder_Child | yesterdays took be a bit till i realized i had to log out |
| 07:32.29 | Thunder_Child | batrick: #1 has got to be bacon |
| 07:32.38 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: you didn't have to log out, though |
| 07:32.55 | Cairenn | just perhaps made it a tad easier to find |
| 07:32.58 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: i couldnt seem to access it logged in |
| 07:33.03 | Cairenn | but it is linked while logged in |
| 07:33.07 | Cairenn | really? weird |
| 07:33.56 | Thunder_Child | might just be me |
| 07:38.39 | kaiden | ... thanks for the help :P |
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| 07:47.11 | Wobin | kaiden, there's also WheresMyCow for frame investigation |
| 07:48.15 | kaiden | i'm essentially just trying to find the frame name of the alerts that are in yellow at the top middle of the screen |
| 07:48.25 | kaiden | not having much luck either :( |
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| 08:52.33 | Arrowmaster | fuck cant stop loling, im reading the backlog for the past few days in this other channel and its so fucking great |
| 08:55.32 | Arrowmaster | so many laughs started by just one picture, a wedding picture of one of the channel regulars, so they went digging for logs of him asking for all kinds of dating advice |
| 09:24.34 | amro | apparently, it worked |
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| 09:27.55 | Arrowmaster | no it didnt |
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| 09:37.57 | Fisker | slaps Arrowmaster around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:38.38 | Arrowmaster | what do you want |
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| 10:14.21 | Adys | ~ping |
| 10:14.22 | purl | ~pong |
| 10:19.40 | industrial | I play enhancement but RatingBuster is showing me spell stuff |
| 10:19.44 | industrial | whats up with that :S |
| 10:19.54 | zenzelezz | it's telling you not to play enhancement |
| 10:24.16 | zenzelezz | a friend it telling me they had an Onyxia-10 PUG fail last night... the offtank tried tanking whelps in the whelp cave |
| 10:25.39 | Jerub | zenzelezz: that's lovely. |
| 10:27.07 | Jerub | we had a tank feared directly into the whelp cave in p3 |
| 10:28.15 | Polarina | yays at instant gamemaster assistance. |
| 10:30.41 | Adys | ~ping |
| 10:30.42 | purl | ~pong |
| 10:30.47 | Polarina | ~pong |
| 10:30.48 | purl | ~ping |
| 10:30.50 | Adys | Ok, I need a new router |
| 10:30.53 | Adys | any advice? |
| 10:30.55 | Polarina | Adys: :P |
| 10:31.01 | Adys | has to have a modem |
| 10:31.02 | Polarina | Adys: Homebrewed one. |
| 10:31.23 | Fisker | i like you industrial |
| 10:31.40 | Fisker | btw industrial you can set it up yourself |
| 10:31.50 | Fisker | But doesn't enhancement have some spellpower related stuff as well? |
| 10:34.08 | industrial | Fisker: yes, AP -> SP |
| 10:35.06 | industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=30814 |
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| 10:43.51 | nightcracker | Hi all? |
| 10:46.52 | Fisker | so why so surprised mr. industrial ? |
| 10:50.01 | nightcracker | Can anyone tell me if there are some unwritten rules of IRC?(first time using IRC) |
| 11:05.46 | Adys | lua> ("/script foo"):gsub("~/script", "") |
| 11:05.47 | lua_bot | Adys: /script foo, 0 |
| 11:05.49 | Adys | lua> ("/script foo"):gsub("/script", "") |
| 11:05.49 | lua_bot | Adys: foo, 1 |
| 11:10.49 | nightcracker | lua>format("%dh", floor(49000/ 3600 + 1)) |
| 11:10.50 | lua_bot | nightcracker: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'floor' (a nil value) |
| 11:10.59 | nightcracker | lua>format("%dh", math.floor(49000/ 3600 + 1)) |
| 11:11.00 | lua_bot | nightcracker: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'format' (a nil value) |
| 11:11.13 | nightcracker | lua>string.format("%dh", math.floor(49000/ 3600 + 1)) |
| 11:11.14 | lua_bot | nightcracker: 14h |
| 11:11.26 | nightcracker | gotta love WoW's variable changes :P |
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| 11:49.30 | Adys | nightcracker: what? |
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| 12:14.50 | nightcracker | Adys: I forgot to change floor to math.floor and format to string.format :P |
| 12:15.28 | Adys | its not wow that does that its lua |
| 12:21.09 | Adys | ~ping |
| 12:21.10 | purl | ~pong |
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| 12:28.55 | Adys | You attempted to reach wave.google.com, but instead you actually reached a server identifying itself as *.opendns.com. This may be caused by a misconfiguration on the server or by something more serious. An attacker on your network could be trying to get you to visit a fake (and potentially harmful) version of wave.google.com. You should not proceed. |
| 12:32.26 | Zyn | Google Wave is evil! |
| 12:33.18 | Adys | You tried to visit wave.google.com, which is not loading. |
| 12:33.18 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.18 | Adys | Google Wave - Communicate and collaborate in real time |
| 12:33.18 | Adys | wave.google.com/ |
| 12:33.23 | Adys | ... |
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| 12:35.15 | Adys | Could someone go to http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=50346 and tell me if they see a cooldown on the Use effect? |
| 12:35.30 | nightcracker | 2 seconds |
| 12:35.39 | Adys | what? |
| 12:35.57 | foxlit | Adys: no. |
| 12:36.07 | Adys | Ok, thanks |
| 12:37.15 | nightcracker | me neither |
| 12:37.21 | nightcracker | looking it up on WoWHead |
| 12:38.00 | Adys | dont bother |
| 12:38.06 | Adys | the cooldown is in the spell |
| 12:41.44 | Adys | ugh I really need a router |
| 12:41.50 | nightcracker | found it, it has a one minute cooldown: http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=71574 |
| 12:41.54 | Adys | someone gimme some advice on a decent model |
| 12:41.59 | Adys | I know nightcracker |
| 12:42.03 | nightcracker | fritz!box |
| 12:42.11 | Adys | I said decent |
| 12:42.11 | nightcracker | is what I have, no problems with it |
| 12:42.17 | nightcracker | xD |
| 12:43.06 | Adys | needs a modem and if poss open firmware |
| 12:46.14 | nightcracker | why if I may ask? |
| 12:46.24 | Adys | because mine is fucking destroyed? |
| 12:47.14 | nightcracker | lol |
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| 12:48.59 | nightcracker | ok people, I have this spell list for my spellalerter: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130661, I want to localize it, I should use [GetSpellInfo(id)] = true right, or is there a more efficient way? |
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| 12:50.00 | foxlit | Why do you need the localized spell names at all? |
| 12:52.58 | nightcracker | because I check for the spellname given by COMBAT_LOG_UNFILTERED, which is a localized name. And I use names because they are rank-immume and id's are not. |
| 12:56.32 | Adys | huh? |
| 12:56.37 | Adys | the combat log can give ids |
| 12:57.35 | nightcracker | I know, and I chose not to use them, because then I would have to add the id of every rank in my spell list |
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| 12:59.45 | nightcracker | And since the spellname by the combat log is the same for every rank, all I have to do is add one entry for every spell in my spell list instead of adding an entry for every rank |
| 13:00.34 | foxlit | You can certainly do it that way, and have fun with that. |
| 13:01.04 | foxlit | However, it has the potential to introduce problems -- spell names can and do collide. |
| 13:01.06 | nightcracker | k ty |
| 13:01.16 | nightcracker | how? |
| 13:01.39 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/spell/frostbolt/ |
| 13:01.40 | Adys | like that |
| 13:02.07 | foxlit | Furthermore, my assumption that all ranks of one spell have the same spell name actually caused a bug on some localizations. |
| 13:03.12 | foxlit | I wonder if they've fixed it since then. |
| 13:03.25 | nightcracker | I don't think it will collide, because the script also checks wether a player casted it and if the player is flagged. |
| 13:03.47 | nightcracker | Are there any colliding spellnames for PvP? |
| 13:04.07 | Adys | death coil? |
| 13:04.23 | Adys | use ids, you're better off |
| 13:04.39 | Adys | names change, particularly localized ones |
| 13:04.50 | nightcracker | That's what I mean lol |
| 13:05.10 | nightcracker | Instead of names in my list, what I have now:["Fear"] = true, |
| 13:05.11 | nightcracker | ["Howl of Terror"] = true, |
| 13:05.11 | nightcracker | ["Seduction"] = true, |
| 13:05.11 | nightcracker | ["Shadow Bolt"] = true, |
| 13:05.11 | nightcracker | ["Seed of Corruption"] = true, |
| 13:05.11 | nightcracker | ["Ritual of Summoning"] = true, |
| 13:05.12 | nightcracker | ["Soul Fire"] = true, |
| 13:05.14 | nightcracker | ["Haunt"] = true, |
| 13:05.16 | nightcracker | ["Searing Pain"] = true, |
| 13:05.18 | nightcracker | ["Banish"] = true, |
| 13:05.20 | Adys | ... pastebin |
| 13:05.20 | nightcracker | ["Chaos Bolt"] = true, |
| 13:05.22 | nightcracker | ["Immolate"] = true, |
| 13:05.24 | nightcracker | ["Death Coil"] = true, |
| 13:05.25 | foxlit | Too late, probably. |
| 13:05.26 | nightcracker | ["Demonic Circle: Summon"] = true, |
| 13:05.28 | nightcracker | ["Unstable Affliction"] = true, |
| 13:05.29 | Adys | Ya |
| 13:05.30 | nightcracker | ["Incinerate"] = true, |
| 13:05.32 | nightcracker | ["Shadowfury"] = true, |
| 13:05.34 | nightcracker | Sorry for the spam |
| 13:05.36 | nightcracker | didn't realize :P |
| 13:05.41 | nightcracker | Sorry! |
| 13:05.57 | nightcracker | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130661 |
| 13:06.09 | Adys | death coil will collide with the dk one for example |
| 13:06.28 | Adys | and you cant really implement workarounds over that because maybe it doesnt collide in german |
| 13:06.32 | nightcracker | Instead of that, what if I'd use [GetSpellInfo(id)] |
| 13:06.59 | nightcracker | Then I still don't have to implement those stupid ranks. |
| 13:07.29 | nightcracker | I don't care about my database growing too big, I do care about me looking up things on wowhead for hours >.< |
| 13:08.51 | Cairenn | nightcracker: http://wowuidev.pastey.net |
| 13:09.29 | nightcracker | Yeah I know, realized too late. |
| 13:09.35 | Cairenn | :) |
| 13:10.13 | nightcracker | Yay, 6000 downloads on WoWI :P *celebrates* |
| 13:10.27 | Cairenn | :) |
| 13:10.55 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/spell/howl%20of%20terror/?rank__icontains=rank |
| 13:10.57 | Adys | run javascript:d=search_results_spell;s="";for(k in d)s=s+d[k]["id"]+",";alert(s); |
| 13:11.05 | Adys | there you have it |
| 13:11.10 | nightcracker | But I'm not that long on WoWI, 2 months now. |
| 13:12.23 | Fisker | HATE |
| 13:12.24 | Fisker | DESPAIR |
| 13:12.25 | Adys | actually |
| 13:12.25 | Fisker | RAGE |
| 13:12.25 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/spells/?name__iexact=howl%20of%20terror&rank__icontains=rank |
| 13:12.45 | Wobin | http://www.ravenousbugblatterbeast.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/b3ta/NumberPuzzle.html |
| 13:12.46 | Fisker | stop failing my stupid disguise when it's dependant on controlling a pet >:E |
| 13:13.51 | nightcracker | Ty adys :P |
| 13:16.22 | nightcracker | lol wobin, got me tricked |
| 13:19.56 | nightcracker | adys, you know php? |
| 13:22.38 | Adys | why? |
| 13:22.50 | Adys | I dont like being insulted |
| 13:23.25 | nightcracker | Eehm, no insult whatsoever? |
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| 13:23.34 | Adys | you said php |
| 13:23.36 | haste | knowing PHP is an insult to yourself |
| 13:23.52 | nightcracker | Ok....? |
| 13:23.57 | nightcracker | I didn't know that? |
| 13:24.01 | Adys | forget it, why are you asking? |
| 13:24.17 | nightcracker | I'd like someone to doublecheck a script of mine for security leaks |
| 13:24.21 | Teomyr | eww adys knows PHP |
| 13:24.25 | Adys | I dont |
| 13:24.33 | Adys | nightcracker: dont bother, I already found one |
| 13:24.38 | Adys | try rewriting it in another language. |
| 13:24.43 | nightcracker | Lol |
| 13:25.15 | nightcracker | It's for a web application, a form to be specific, and I use PHP for it, nothing else |
| 13:25.39 | Adys | what kind of web app? |
| 13:25.52 | nightcracker | A feedback form |
| 13:26.03 | nightcracker | For a website I'm making |
| 13:26.54 | Adys | you have control over the server? |
| 13:27.35 | nightcracker | Well, yeah, it would be weird if I didn't: localhost |
| 13:27.49 | Adys | over the destination server i meant. |
| 13:27.57 | Adys | wherever it is you're going to host that site |
| 13:28.03 | nightcracker | I haven't picked a host yet. |
| 13:28.16 | Adys | k well pick one that allows perl cgi script and use that; rtftrj |
| 13:28.34 | nightcracker | I don't know neither Perl or CGI :P |
| 13:29.02 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=perl+feedback+mailing+script&aq=o&oq=&aqi= |
| 13:29.14 | nightcracker | Nononononooooo, I use my own :P |
| 13:29.23 | Adys | wtf? |
| 13:29.43 | nightcracker | I don't like using those kind of scripts because usualy they don't work like I want them to,. |
| 13:30.02 | Adys | you're getting an address, a subject and a content and firing that in any mail app |
| 13:30.08 | Adys | how many ways are there? |
| 13:30.09 | nightcracker | Nope |
| 13:30.18 | nightcracker | Lemme just post the script on pastey 2 sec |
| 13:32.43 | nightcracker | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130662 |
| 13:33.19 | Adys | jesus son of a shitfuck |
| 13:33.24 | nightcracker | lol? |
| 13:33.29 | haste | inline php </3 |
| 13:33.38 | nightcracker | :P |
| 13:33.55 | nightcracker | from line 54 to 98 |
| 13:34.36 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.38 | Adys | WTF? |
| 13:34.44 | Adys | wtf are you using sql for |
| 13:34.50 | Adys | this is a feedback mailing fomr |
| 13:34.52 | Adys | form even |
| 13:34.56 | nightcracker | as a storage for the coments |
| 13:35.03 | nightcracker | I never said it was for mail |
| 13:35.07 | nightcracker | It's for comments |
| 13:35.11 | nightcracker | just like on WoWI |
| 13:35.26 | Adys | other people can see it? |
| 13:35.34 | nightcracker | Yup |
| 13:36.43 | Adys | Sorry every second I look at this I age 10 years |
| 13:37.17 | Adys | if you're using this in a framework/web app, use its api |
| 13:37.35 | Fisker | le grr |
| 13:37.37 | Adys | otherwise .. I dont know but this is unnecessarily length |
| 13:37.39 | Adys | lengthy |
| 13:37.46 | nightcracker | Why? |
| 13:38.14 | nightcracker | I don't see any unneccersary lines |
| 13:39.21 | nightcracker | I just have one page on which they can post a comment, like a guestbook, should I use a complete framework for that? |
| 13:39.52 | haste | no, but some indenting woul be a great start |
| 13:40.01 | Adys | for one yeah |
| 13:40.22 | Adys | the js is also broken |
| 13:40.30 | nightcracker | True, sometimes I'm just lazy xD |
| 13:40.32 | nightcracker | why? |
| 13:40.36 | nightcracker | It works in FF |
| 13:40.40 | nightcracker | and in Chrome |
| 13:40.43 | Adys | I didnt mean it doesnt work |
| 13:40.48 | nightcracker | Oh |
| 13:40.59 | foxlit | miracle, tbh. |
| 13:41.21 | nightcracker | What's broken about it(I suck at JS, just hacked something together) |
| 13:41.29 | foxlit | < in PCDATA fields should immediately reject any pretense of it being valid XML. |
| 13:41.52 | foxlit | Though I wonder how html handles that. |
| 13:42.15 | Adys | html strict handles it like xml |
| 13:42.28 | Fisker | haha what a jackass |
| 13:42.32 | Adys | nonstrict cares a lot less |
| 13:42.49 | Fisker | so i help an alliance on the quest with the drakkuru and controlling that troll |
| 13:43.03 | nightcracker | Well, on the top of the page I have header.php included and in header.php is the following: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" |
| 13:43.04 | nightcracker | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.04 | nightcracker | <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en" xml:lang="en"> |
| 13:43.04 | nightcracker | <head> |
| 13:43.04 | nightcracker | <meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" /> |
| 13:43.12 | Fisker | then just as he's about to die he starts attacking me (presumably because he doesn't know that the item is available to everyone) |
| 13:43.18 | nightcracker | So no XML danger I think. |
| 13:43.25 | Fisker | so i kill him and keep him off the item until it despawns |
| 13:43.27 | Fisker | jerk |
| 13:43.36 | Adys | you're using xhtml, theres a giantass xml danger |
| 13:43.57 | nightcracker | Great |
| 13:44.13 | Adys | but its not the <> the problem |
| 13:44.19 | nightcracker | Then how to fix it? |
| 13:45.41 | Adys | I'm going on a limb here but almost everything there is unnecessary |
| 13:45.59 | Adys | i mean, unless you intend to have a real forum in that comment area, why have bbcode support at all? |
| 13:46.24 | haste | because BBCodes are the greatest! |
| 13:46.39 | haste | nothing like clicking <Alt Gr>8 to get [ |
| 13:46.49 | Adys | â |
| 13:46.55 | Adys | thats my altgr8. |
| 13:47.05 | Adys | well, actually its ⸠but meh |
| 13:47.07 | haste | þ this be mine! |
| 13:47.16 | nightcracker | My keyboard doesn't even support alt-gr anymore :P |
| 13:47.28 | haste | I'm not using the standard scandinavian layout |
| 13:47.47 | nightcracker | QWERTY dutch version here |
| 13:47.53 | foxlit | "Not all lossless codecs are created equal. FLAC is far superior to Apple Lossless in terms of quality, you'll just have to get over your fanboyism to use it." |
| 13:48.18 | Adys | What? |
| 13:48.20 | foxlit | Delicious self-contradiction. |
| 13:48.39 | nightcracker | I don't get it but yeah... |
| 13:49.02 | foxlit | "lossless codecs" "[difference] in terms of quality" |
| 13:49.11 | nightcracker | And to answer your question Adys, mainly to get some experience with PHP. |
| 13:49.20 | Adys | ><><> |
| 13:49.55 | Adys | you want to get experience with php.. code apps in php all you want, but dont bloat something with features just because you want to code them |
| 13:49.58 | haste | obviously compression ration and CPU/memory requirements for encoding/decoding |
| 13:50.00 | haste | but DETAILS |
| 13:50.23 | Adys | haste: keyword "quality" |
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| 13:50.34 | haste | keyword: I'm fixing it! |
| 13:51.35 | nightcracker | I plan to use this script for more purposes then just this feedback form |
| 13:51.39 | nightcracker | that's why. |
| 13:51.54 | haste | then you might want to clean it up and class it out |
| 13:52.16 | nightcracker | Yup, but first I want to get back to my first question about it: are there any security leaks? |
| 13:52.37 | nightcracker | Like SQL inserting tricks or so |
| 13:53.01 | Adys | I dont see any but thats probably related to the fact that this entire script hurts my heayes |
| 13:53.54 | Wobin | foxlit, difference in quality in differet lossless codecs? |
| 13:54.08 | Wobin | wtftf? =P |
| 13:54.08 | nightcracker | none |
| 13:54.17 | nightcracker | lossless = no quality loss |
| 13:54.22 | nightcracker | OH WAIT I GOT THE ANSWER! |
| 13:54.28 | Wobin | 42? |
| 13:54.29 | Adys | i think we established that a while ago |
| 13:54.42 | Adys | time to implement glyphs |
| 13:55.04 | nightcracker | Maybe a lossless codec IMPROVES the quality, thereby being better. (The answer to the life, the universe and everything). |
| 13:55.48 | Teomyr | i think whoever made that statement referred to the quality of the codec itself, not the output it produces |
| 13:55.54 | Wobin | then it's not a lossless codec |
| 13:55.55 | Teomyr | after all WAV is lossless too |
| 13:55.57 | Wobin | it's a gainful one =P |
| 13:56.02 | haste | that's already been stated too Teomyr :P |
| 13:56.24 | Teomyr | then why are you still arguing :P |
| 13:56.37 | Adys | because people pop in 10 minutes after the WTF was stated |
| 13:56.48 | Wobin | IRC is terrible like that |
| 13:56.51 | nightcracker | A question about "good style" in PHP, is it common to indent after "<?php" or not? |
| 13:57.17 | Wobin | nightcracker, "Will it make it easier to read?" "Yes. Then it is good style" |
| 13:58.15 | Adys | dont dcc |
| 13:59.26 | nightcracker | Hmm, since I'm new to IRC i thought it was like private message or something |
| 13:59.45 | Adys | /msg adys |
| 13:59.49 | Adys | dcc is file transfer |
| 13:59.57 | nightcracker | sorry |
| 14:00.05 | Adys | I have them blocked |
| 14:00.13 | nightcracker | I C |
| 14:00.17 | haste | dcc also has chat, but it's avoided as it requires a direct connection outside the server |
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| 14:00.35 | nightcracker | Didn't know that(infact, I know nothing about IRC) |
| 14:01.10 | nightcracker | Wait, to resolve the never ending question I've been asking myself, is it "infact" or "in fact"? |
| 14:01.17 | Adys | two words |
| 14:01.24 | nightcracker | Great ty |
| 14:02.09 | Fisker | haste my friend |
| 14:04.14 | _rane | infant |
| 14:18.53 | haste | Fisker: yes my child? |
| 14:21.07 | Fisker | oh u haste |
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| 14:23.40 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78XrI_2bPVA&feature=related |
| 14:24.11 | haste | tim michin :3 |
| 14:24.30 | Wobin | <3 Tim Minchin |
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| 14:26.23 | Zergreth | hey there |
| 14:26.49 | Zergreth | need some help. trying to make a frame movable, but unfortunately, when i move the frame, only the frame itself moves, not its children |
| 14:27.14 | Zergreth | i tried adding another :StartMoving() call for the child in the OnDragStart event, but that doesn't work |
| 14:27.21 | Zergreth | can anybody help? |
| 14:27.36 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-Lc0fWLodI&fmt=35 :D |
| 14:27.55 | Zergreth | also, haste, nice you're here (: |
| 14:28.16 | Zergreth | remember that Butsu taint we talked about a couple months ago? |
| 14:29.12 | haste | no :D |
| 14:29.45 | Zergreth | dammit D: |
| 14:30.02 | Zergreth | that's from taint.log |
| 14:30.03 | Zergreth | 12/26 13:57:50.125 An action was blocked in combat because of taint from Butsu - LootSlot() |
| 14:30.03 | Zergreth | 12/26 13:57:50.125 Interface\AddOns\Butsu\loot.lua:76 |
| 14:30.23 | Zergreth | strange thing is, it's not even noticable in game anymore |
| 14:30.44 | Zergreth | ever since patch 3.2 or so, it doesn't show the taint in the chat anymore, like it did before |
| 14:31.20 | haste | probably because it isn't taint in the bad form :V |
| 14:31.42 | Zergreth | i guess |
| 14:31.47 | Zergreth | still, quite weird |
| 14:31.49 | *** part/#wowuidev Burgundy (i=bingothe@188.26.246.215) |
| 14:32.01 | Zergreth | anyway, could you possibly help out with my movable frame issue? :D |
| 14:32.27 | haste | most likely |
| 14:32.57 | Zergreth | got some time to actually do it? :p |
| 14:33.06 | Zergreth | i can't figure this stuff out |
| 14:33.18 | haste | I have time now :p |
| 14:33.19 | nightcracker | Eehm |
| 14:33.25 | nightcracker | Anchor the children to the frame |
| 14:33.36 | Zergreth | mh |
| 14:33.48 | Zergreth | should be anchored to it already, but i'll try to reanchor it before moving it |
| 14:34.18 | haste | oh you wrote something up there, I was too busy not paying attention :p |
| 14:34.29 | nightcracker | One second, before we continue, we are talking about REGULAR frames now and not secure frames right? |
| 14:34.32 | haste | but yes, what nightcracker is correct |
| 14:34.42 | haste | doesn't matter nightcracker |
| 14:34.50 | Wobin | haste, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj-WwL9kWuw&NR=1 |
| 14:34.55 | nightcracker | K |
| 14:35.31 | haste | Wobin: such a laggy video :P |
| 14:35.56 | Zergreth | nightcracker, yep |
| 14:36.12 | nightcracker | works? |
| 14:36.36 | Zergreth | still fiddling with the anchor |
| 14:36.45 | Zergreth | i was assuming it was already anchored, but i guess it wasnt |
| 14:36.55 | Zergreth | now im still looking for some good offset values |
| 14:36.58 | Zergreth | so it doesnt look fucked uo |
| 14:37.00 | Zergreth | *up |
| 14:37.02 | Zergreth | give me a second |
| 14:39.18 | Zergreth | alright, works :D |
| 14:39.23 | Zergreth | thanks a bunch |
| 14:39.36 | nightcracker | np |
| 14:39.55 | nightcracker | what is it for, if I may ask? |
| 14:40.51 | Zergreth | sorry, don't want to tell the world just yet ;p |
| 14:42.45 | nightcracker | K |
| 14:42.55 | Wobin | haste, zomg, he's wearing shoes in that one |
| 14:43.01 | haste | Wobin: my god! |
| 14:43.11 | haste | then he can't perform so fucking rock :( |
| 14:43.39 | nightcracker | BTW people, what IRC client you use? |
| 14:43.47 | A-KO | mIRC |
| 14:43.49 | Zergreth | x-chat |
| 14:43.53 | Zergreth | btw, haste, nice video |
| 14:43.53 | A-KO | tried and true :P |
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| 14:44.20 | nightcracker | I'm currently using mIRC but it's like paid I don't feel like paying for it :P |
| 14:44.34 | digmouse | chatzilla |
| 14:45.07 | Zergreth | http://www.silverex.org/news/ |
| 14:45.07 | Zergreth | you can get x-chat 2 there, it's a free version of x-chat, basically |
| 14:45.10 | Zergreth | it's originally a linux irc client, and the official windows port costs a few bucks |
| 14:46.14 | haste | Wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1LG_R9j2sw for some reason this comes to mind now :P |
| 14:46.18 | Fisker | lies haste |
| 14:46.21 | Fisker | you're full of lies :( |
| 14:46.31 | nightcracker | Damn, I hate this fucking computer I'm working on |
| 14:47.22 | haste | then work on another one |
| 14:47.53 | Zergreth | haha |
| 14:48.10 | Wobin | haste, awesome |
| 14:48.32 | nightcracker | haste, is this better indenting? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/130663 |
| 14:50.30 | haste | yes, but it's still inline PHP |
| 14:51.01 | nightcracker | True |
| 14:52.05 | nightcracker | Does anyone know how I can hide the blizzard keybindings?> |
| 14:52.17 | nightcracker | Certain ones. |
| 14:53.33 | haste | _might_ want to make that question more specific |
| 14:54.32 | Zergreth | Dominos can hide the keybinds, so you might want to look into its code |
| 14:54.59 | haste | someone has stolen my slippers! |
| 14:55.38 | nightcracker | I mean, for my UI I set up the actionID's of buttons pretty weird, so I want to hide the keybdingins from blizzard and implement my own. |
| 14:56.12 | haste | just hide the fontstring? |
| 14:56.29 | haste | I'm honestly not sure what your trying to do still |
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| 14:58.29 | nightcracker | You know the escape menu bindings frame right? |
| 14:58.42 | haste | yes |
| 14:58.56 | haste | just hijack the button or hijack the frame is shows |
| 14:58.59 | haste | depending on what you want to do |
| 14:59.18 | nightcracker | well, in that binding menu are keybindings for all actionbuttons of blizzard (actionbutton1-12) |
| 14:59.28 | nightcracker | I want to hide them |
| 14:59.39 | nightcracker | and implement my own |
| 14:59.45 | haste | all of them or some? |
| 15:00.08 | nightcracker | all |
| 15:00.16 | nightcracker | but not the other bindings |
| 15:00.24 | nightcracker | just the ones from the actionbars |
| 15:00.24 | haste | that's not all then! |
| 15:00.42 | nightcracker | I meant all from the actionbars |
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| 15:01.15 | haste | http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/master/AddOns/Blizzard_BindingUI/Blizzard_BindingUI.lua#L67 |
| 15:01.18 | nightcracker | Every single keybindings that is linked to an actionbutton |
| 15:01.18 | haste | hf :) |
| 15:02.21 | haste | you could ofc proxy GetBinding for that function, and filter out returns |
| 15:02.58 | nightcracker | Hmm |
| 15:03.12 | nightcracker | That could be a way |
| 15:03.12 | nightcracker | But I was thinking of a more "neat" way. |
| 15:03.41 | haste | how isn't that neat :p ? |
| 15:03.52 | haste | your other option is to replace the function with your own |
| 15:04.08 | nightcracker | I mean, you can add your own bindings by using bindings.xml and the headers |
| 15:04.29 | nightcracker | can't you just get the bindings from blizzard at the source? |
| 15:04.29 | Fisker | this is madness haste |
| 15:04.45 | haste | so... your suggesting that overwriting the default bindings.xml is a _neat_ idea? |
| 15:04.55 | haste | Fisker: actually it is |
| 15:05.12 | Fisker | madness with me |
| 15:05.30 | haste | I shall! |
| 15:05.50 | nightcracker | yeah it is |
| 15:06.04 | haste | no, it isn't |
| 15:06.05 | nightcracker | because then you get the problem at the source |
| 15:06.08 | haste | that's a horrible solution |
| 15:06.18 | nightcracker | instead of filtering out the bad |
| 15:06.27 | haste | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K2Rlwj6aFE mad enough :D ? |
| 15:07.13 | Wobin | haste, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGzhutyOMSk&feature=related |
| 15:12.25 | nightcracker | eehm haste(or anyone else), you know the "pixelperfect" scale script? |
| 15:12.48 | Fisker | pretty old haste |
| 15:13.02 | haste | Fisker: yeh, at least I bought the CDs before it became a 4chan hit! |
| 15:13.45 | Zergreth | nightcracker, i wasn't aware such a thing exists |
| 15:13.49 | Fisker | yeah right haste |
| 15:13.58 | Fisker | and i bought your mom before it became a 4chan hit |
| 15:13.59 | Fisker | hoho |
| 15:14.32 | haste | nightcracker: just do 768/res-y |
| 15:14.38 | haste | Fisker: funny! |
| 15:14.41 | Fisker | and my hunter is level 76 |
| 15:14.48 | nightcracker | that's the one I mean |
| 15:14.49 | Fisker | seriously awesome |
| 15:15.00 | nightcracker | and it's 768/width, not res-y |
| 15:15.37 | Zergreth | that's more like a formula, not a script |
| 15:15.48 | Fisker | and the LFD tool has fucked up my leveling |
| 15:15.50 | nightcracker | second |
| 15:16.10 | nightcracker | the script is in my pm's outbox, but this internet is too SLOOOOOW |
| 15:16.32 | Zergreth | Fisker, how so? |
| 15:16.33 | haste | no, ti's height |
| 15:16.35 | haste | not width |
| 15:16.48 | nightcracker | the trick was, setting your UI scale to 768/screenwidth right? |
| 15:16.55 | Zergreth | haste, that'd make sense, assuming the interface aims at a default size of 1024*768 |
| 15:16.57 | nightcracker | oh |
| 15:17.03 | nightcracker | wait ur right |
| 15:17.11 | haste | Zergreth: yep, your just finding the ratio that's correct for your resolution |
| 15:17.14 | nightcracker | yup |
| 15:17.14 | Fisker | ah damnit haste |
| 15:17.24 | Zergreth | interesting |
| 15:17.24 | nightcracker | well, I was thinking |
| 15:17.32 | Zergreth | never thought about using such a little trick |
| 15:17.37 | Fisker | Zergreth i'm a level further than normal |
| 15:17.43 | nightcracker | instead of setting your UI scale to that magic number |
| 15:17.44 | Fisker | Usually i level to 76 in zul'drak |
| 15:17.52 | Zergreth | Fisker, whats the problem? |
| 15:17.53 | Fisker | But this time i barely scratched zul'drak before being level 76 |
| 15:17.59 | Zergreth | oh |
| 15:17.59 | Zergreth | hm |
| 15:18.04 | haste | do a couple of AVs! |
| 15:18.15 | haste | swooosh |
| 15:18.24 | nightcracker | you can also create panels which automaticly snap to the thing the closest to that number |
| 15:19.04 | Fisker | doesn't it fail a bit since they made it scale with level now? |
| 15:19.11 | haste | yy |
| 15:19.18 | haste | like 14k5 or so per tower |
| 15:19.58 | nightcracker | Got the script |
| 15:20.07 | nightcracker | local mult = 768/string.match(({GetScreenResolutions()})[GetCurrentResolution()], "%d+x(%d+)") |
| 15:20.07 | nightcracker | local function scale(x) |
| 15:20.07 | nightcracker | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.07 | nightcracker | end |
| 15:20.46 | haste | that's a really bad way of fetching the resolution |
| 15:20.47 | haste | but okey |
| 15:21.00 | nightcracker | what is a better way then? |
| 15:21.07 | haste | just fetch the CVar |
| 15:21.44 | haste | or select(GetCurrentResolution(), GetScreenResolutions()) |
| 15:22.19 | nightcracker | that would still leave you with 1440x900 and not 900 |
| 15:22.41 | haste | I'm talking about: {GetScreenResolutions()})[GetCurrentResolution()] |
| 15:22.51 | nightcracker | K, modified script: |
| 15:22.53 | haste | you generate a table _just_ to fetch one value from it |
| 15:23.07 | haste | when there are easier ways of getting it |
| 15:23.17 | nightcracker | local mult = 768/string.match((GetCVar("gxResolution"), "%d+x(%d+)") |
| 15:23.18 | nightcracker | local function scale(x) |
| 15:23.18 | nightcracker | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.18 | nightcracker | end |
| 15:23.24 | haste | and stop pasting on IRC |
| 15:23.34 | foxlit | lua> 42/"5" |
| 15:23.34 | nightcracker | sry, bad habit of MSN |
| 15:23.35 | lua_bot | foxlit: 8.4 |
| 15:23.40 | foxlit | How nice. |
| 15:23.46 | haste | welcome to the world of tonumber() |
| 15:24.24 | foxlit | Blame the operators, tbh. |
| 15:24.44 | nightcracker | but haste, would it work? |
| 15:24.49 | nightcracker | instead of setting the scale of something |
| 15:25.01 | nightcracker | you can also set the width and height to the scaled number |
| 15:25.15 | nightcracker | which "snaps" into the "pixelperfect" grid |
| 15:25.22 | Fisker | my pet can't hold aggro while i'm in viper stance :/ |
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| 15:25.40 | haste | nightcracker: it's the scale that fucks up textures |
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| 15:25.53 | haste | usually changing the height/width won't work |
| 15:26.06 | haste | unless you setpoint it so it gets a redraw from scratch |
| 15:26.27 | nightcracker | hmm |
| 15:27.13 | nightcracker | lemme quote tukz: "1- pixel perfect need 1x multisample setting. 2- auto scale script (auto uiscale) need to be ACTIVE. (768/ScreenWidth script in !tukui.lua at logon) 3- all textures panels need to be scaled at 1, or a mathematical multiplication to 1 if anchored to a frame scaled < 1. (example, petbarframe scaled at 0.9 and my petbarpanel to 1.11111, petbarframe is parent to petbarpanel so (petbuttonscale X panelscale) = ~1) |
| 15:28.57 | Zergreth | why do you even want pixel perfect scale |
| 15:29.24 | haste | so his 1px texture doesn't look like shit |
| 15:29.30 | Zergreth | hm |
| 15:29.32 | Zergreth | good point |
| 15:29.42 | nightcracker | and my 1px texture's too (ncUI) |
| 15:29.56 | Fisker | ffffffffffuuuuu haste |
| 15:29.56 | haste | waste of time and effort imo :P |
| 15:30.06 | Zergreth | i've been moving away from 1px texture stuff and minimalistic ui crap |
| 15:30.11 | Zergreth | that is, the typical minimalistic ui stuff |
| 15:30.17 | nightcracker | Not IMO |
| 15:30.27 | Zergreth | 1px borders and the like |
| 15:30.30 | haste | I've gotten that already |
| 15:30.34 | Zergreth | doesn't even look nice in the first place |
| 15:30.45 | haste | I have better stuff to worry about than pixel perfectness on textures |
| 15:31.13 | nightcracker | like? oUF? |
| 15:31.31 | haste | no, oUF doesn't take much time at all |
| 15:31.47 | nightcracker | what does? |
| 15:31.52 | Zergreth | im still playing with the thought of switching to oUF |
| 15:31.53 | Zergreth | ;/ |
| 15:32.34 | haste | nightcracker: a couple projects I have |
| 15:32.39 | nightcracker | I'm forced to stuck with that crappy oUF(nah joking) because I don't have the time to write something by myself for ncUI |
| 15:32.39 | haste | wow add-ons barely take any time at all |
| 15:33.26 | haste | only reason I released oUF was because people started using it :p |
| 15:33.35 | Zergreth | its nice |
| 15:33.35 | nightcracker | Great, forgot to add unpack() somewhere in one of my addons resulting in the font to be rendered black >.< updating.... |
| 15:33.40 | Zergreth | but not worth the effort in my case |
| 15:33.49 | Zergreth | im currently only using some very lightly modified default unit frames |
| 15:34.09 | haste | just what you like is what I always say |
| 15:34.18 | Zergreth | :) |
| 15:34.19 | nightcracker | oUF takes up 50% of my UI xD |
| 15:34.31 | haste | memorywise |
| 15:34.35 | haste | which is a horrible measure alone |
| 15:34.54 | Zergreth | my ui takes up about 10 to 20 % of my screen space |
| 15:35.13 | nightcracker | hmm |
| 15:35.22 | nightcracker | I think mine about the same |
| 15:35.25 | Zergreth | i don't care THAT MUCH about memory usage |
| 15:35.32 | Zergreth | but i still got some memory eating shit i need to get rid of |
| 15:35.34 | nightcracker | me neither |
| 15:35.40 | Zergreth | like buttonfacade |
| 15:35.42 | Adys | s'wrong with pitbull4? |
| 15:35.43 | nightcracker | I just like to use my own shit |
| 15:36.03 | nightcracker | if you want configurable UF's, screw pitbull, STUF all the way |
| 15:36.21 | Adys | why? |
| 15:37.09 | Zergreth | never used pitbull because of it's high mem usage |
| 15:37.23 | nightcracker | Because STUF is WAAAAAAAY better then pitbull in both mem usage and configurability |
| 15:37.42 | Zergreth | if you know Lua, go for oUF |
| 15:37.43 | Adys | pitbull high mem usage? Oo |
| 15:37.57 | Adys | pb4 barely takes 1mb on my ui |
| 15:38.02 | Zergreth | let's compare |
| 15:38.06 | Zergreth | 1mb, that's a lot |
| 15:38.11 | nightcracker | and stuf uses 550 :P |
| 15:38.14 | Zergreth | i got less than 4mb total |
| 15:38.18 | nightcracker | and ouf uses 150 |
| 15:38.27 | Zergreth | and my light changes to the default unit frames uses about 2kb |
| 15:38.28 | Adys | i got about 5mb, but not many addons |
| 15:38.38 | nightcracker | I got 330kB on my UI |
| 15:38.46 | Adys | ive seen UF addons take over 10mb |
| 15:38.48 | Zergreth | the only troublesome shit i got are buttonfacade, atlas and mapster |
| 15:39.03 | nightcracker | Atlas is biiiig |
| 15:39.15 | Zergreth | no shit |
| 15:39.17 | Adys | whyyy do people use atlas... |
| 15:39.26 | nightcracker | I don't know |
| 15:39.27 | Zergreth | yea, i'm wondering too |
| 15:39.31 | Zergreth | maybe i should just get rid of it |
| 15:39.34 | Adys | the thing was cool back when you didnt know an instance 4 years ago |
| 15:39.40 | Zergreth | so far i've only used it to check how big an instance is |
| 15:39.48 | Zergreth | i still dont know instances man |
| 15:39.57 | Adys | :/ |
| 15:39.57 | nightcracker | zergreth, what do you use mapster for? |
| 15:40.00 | Zergreth | i'm playing since eu release of wow and never even had a char at 70 |
| 15:40.12 | Adys | well |
| 15:40.17 | Adys | instances > 70 have maps so |
| 15:40.27 | haste | stop using memory usage as a damn performance benchmark already! |
| 15:40.28 | Zergreth | nightcracker, removing the map "fog", scaling (of the poi buttons as well) and that's basically it.. |
| 15:40.30 | Zergreth | coords, too |
| 15:40.40 | Zergreth | haste, i'm not doing that |
| 15:40.49 | haste | your joining in on the others doing it :P |
| 15:41.00 | Zergreth | heh..if you say so |
| 15:41.04 | Adys | stop confusing your and you're already! |
| 15:41.12 | Zergreth | right, good point |
| 15:42.01 | haste | Adys: I blame it on a lack of coffee |
| 15:42.11 | jnwhiteh | people don't seem to realize that the most frequent optimization that people make is trading space for time. You don't bitch when gcc -O2 makes your executables bigger.. why the fuck do you care when your wow addon is bigger. |
| 15:42.14 | Adys | stop confusing coffee and sex already! |
| 15:42.18 | jnwhiteh | its a terrible measure for people who don't know what they are talking about. |
| 15:42.33 | nightcracker | I hate loading screens :P |
| 15:42.41 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 15:42.44 | jnwhiteh | it has nothing to do with that |
| 15:42.53 | Zergreth | jnwhiteh, it's something that has developed over the years, i like low memory usage |
| 15:43.05 | jnwhiteh | I can write you an addon that loads incredibly quickly.. and still takes up 5Mb of memory. |
| 15:43.09 | Zergreth | every bit of memory saved is cool. i dumped winamp because of too high mem usage |
| 15:43.14 | haste | Zergreth: low memory usage means high CPU |
| 15:43.18 | haste | in most cases |
| 15:43.22 | nightcracker | no |
| 15:43.26 | nightcracker | oh |
| 15:43.28 | nightcracker | i mean |
| 15:43.28 | haste | oh go fuck yourself :p |
| 15:43.29 | nightcracker | yes |
| 15:43.31 | Zergreth | haste, it sometimes does |
| 15:43.35 | nightcracker | i agreed with you |
| 15:43.38 | nightcracker | read worng |
| 15:43.46 | haste | in the WoW it does in most cases |
| 15:43.51 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 15:43.56 | Adys | what's the WoW? |
| 15:43.56 | jnwhiteh | so do whatever you want |
| 15:43.58 | nightcracker | I read: "low mem means higher CPU capacity" and quicly replied no |
| 15:44.00 | jnwhiteh | just know that you're fucking nuts |
| 15:44.00 | haste | you also need to remember that your comparing memory usage vs memoryusage only |
| 15:44.16 | haste | not features vs features |
| 15:44.19 | Zergreth | haste, it's also useless features though |
| 15:44.28 | jnwhiteh | sure |
| 15:44.30 | Zergreth | features i personally don't need |
| 15:44.34 | jnwhiteh | so use addons because they offer teh features you need, and nothing more |
| 15:44.35 | Zergreth | like ingame config |
| 15:44.39 | jnwhiteh | DONT do it because of fucking MEMORY usage. |
| 15:44.41 | jnwhiteh | that's teh damn problem. |
| 15:44.41 | Adys | honestly why the fuck does it matter? |
| 15:44.47 | haste | in-game configs aren't bad |
| 15:44.48 | nightcracker | can we just quit this discussion? |
| 15:44.51 | Adys | we're talking very low amounts |
| 15:44.55 | jnwhiteh | no, someone is wrong on the internet. |
| 15:45.00 | haste | I hate the retarded cult that has created around Lua configs |
| 15:45.02 | Zergreth | i'm not doing it because of the memory usage, that only applies to win32 programs jnwhiteh |
| 15:45.12 | jnwhiteh | Adys: which is why the cult of the memory damned is so fucking annoying. |
| 15:45.30 | Zergreth | haste, i'm talking about addons that do not need any config at all but still have one |
| 15:45.34 | jnwhiteh | the person who complained about the memory usage of lightheaded |
| 15:45.36 | Adys | Let's fuck something else |
| 15:45.36 | jnwhiteh | needs to be shot. |
| 15:45.41 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: lol |
| 15:45.41 | Adys | Like the BLOODY YOUTUBE PLAYER |
| 15:45.43 | jnwhiteh | and there are lots of them =) |
| 15:45.45 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: failboat |
| 15:45.49 | Zergreth | jnwhiteh, i agree with that, lol |
| 15:46.17 | jnwhiteh | also |
| 15:46.25 | haste | everyone should get it into their head: use what gives you the features you want, fuck memory/cpu/disc space |
| 15:46.29 | jnwhiteh | people who hunt down high memory usage addons without knowing the technical details |
| 15:46.33 | jnwhiteh | are like nazis. |
| 15:46.39 | haste | people are so obsessed with things they don't understand |
| 15:46.39 | nightcracker | BTW, because of these discussions I removed the mem usage of my UI as the first picture :P |
| 15:46.40 | jnwhiteh | and now, the argument is over. |
| 15:46.45 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, ace2 caused all sorts of fun stuff with that |
| 15:46.54 | haste | nightcracker: I've always hated you for that one |
| 15:46.55 | jnwhiteh | I INVOKED NAZIS, THE ARGUMENT IS OVER |
| 15:46.58 | Zergreth | jnwhiteh, alright, cool |
| 15:46.59 | haste | and the lightweight buzzwords |
| 15:46.59 | ScytheBlade1 | WHY IS MY CALCULATOR USING 30MB OF RAM |
| 15:47.02 | Zergreth | lets talk about something else |
| 15:47.05 | Zergreth | music or whatever |
| 15:47.06 | Cairenn | GODWIN'S |
| 15:47.07 | jnwhiteh | penises. |
| 15:47.11 | haste | penis! |
| 15:47.19 | jnwhiteh | haste: can we come to norway this year: |
| 15:47.20 | nightcracker | lol |
| 15:47.21 | nightcracker | epic |
| 15:47.23 | jnwhiteh | i want to see you and mikma |
| 15:47.24 | Zergreth | swordfight, eh? alright, have fun, not taking part |
| 15:47.35 | jnwhiteh | we did denmark and sweden last week =) |
| 15:47.47 | Zergreth | jnwhiteh, where are you from? |
| 15:47.50 | haste | jnwhiteh: sure! |
| 15:47.52 | jnwhiteh | _from_ the us. |
| 15:47.54 | jnwhiteh | live in the uk. |
| 15:47.58 | Zergreth | ah |
| 15:47.58 | jnwhiteh | oh yeah |
| 15:48.07 | Zergreth | neat |
| 15:48.07 | jnwhiteh | ~seen kergoth |
| 15:48.11 | purl | kergoth <n=kergoth@ip24-251-170-95.ph.ph.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 2d 23h 34m 2s ago, saying: 'hey'. |
| 15:48.17 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: We need to get together for lunch or somethign while I'm here =) |
| 15:48.31 | Zergreth | did you ever visit germany? |
| 15:48.45 | jnwhiteh | not yet, no. |
| 15:48.47 | nightcracker | is anyone here except me dutch? |
| 15:48.52 | jnwhiteh | indy is |
| 15:48.54 | Zergreth | "not yet" sounds good :) |
| 15:49.01 | Zergreth | it's really nice here |
| 15:49.09 | jnwhiteh | Zergreth: we haven't decided wher ein germany we're going, but we'll be going. |
| 15:49.17 | jnwhiteh | Copenhagen was gorgeous |
| 15:49.18 | Zergreth | thuringia! :D |
| 15:49.23 | jnwhiteh | tho I smelled Fisker the whole time I was there! |
| 15:49.26 | Zergreth | anywhere in thuringia, really |
| 15:49.34 | nightcracker | One tip: NEVER go to poland. |
| 15:49.45 | Zergreth | if you got a spare ü, Thüringen is even better i guess ;p |
| 15:49.48 | nightcracker | I've been there with school, they eat "milksoup" over there lolz |
| 15:50.00 | jnwhiteh | I hear Warsaw is a really good place to go. |
| 15:50.15 | Zergreth | aye |
| 15:50.18 | Wobin | http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson530.html |
| 15:50.25 | nightcracker | Could be, we've been to Auschwitz, Birkenau and Krakow |
| 15:51.39 | jnwhiteh | *yawn* |
| 15:51.43 | jnwhiteh | i dont like this time zone very much |
| 15:51.43 | nightcracker | And all of a sudden it's quiet? |
| 15:51.45 | nightcracker | Lol |
| 15:51.52 | nightcracker | which is? |
| 15:52.02 | jnwhiteh | GMT-7 |
| 15:52.20 | Zergreth | gmt+1 all the way, wohoo |
| 15:52.31 | nightcracker | GMT+1 here (that's amsterdam right?) |
| 15:52.42 | Zergreth | aye |
| 15:52.54 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 15:52.54 | jnwhiteh | I'm chill with CEST |
| 15:52.59 | jnwhiteh | as long as people stop calling it 'paris time' |
| 15:53.01 | jnwhiteh | fuck paris =) |
| 15:53.06 | Fisker | copenhagen time ftw |
| 15:53.13 | nightcracker | How old is everyone here?(I think i'm the youngest, 15) |
| 15:53.13 | Fisker | arrogant frenchies |
| 15:53.17 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 15:53.36 | jnwhiteh | I'm one of the |
| 15:53.39 | jnwhiteh | 'oldies' |
| 15:53.42 | Teomyr | Fisker: says the one who claims to have his own timezone |
| 15:53.47 | Zergreth | jnwhiteh, 50+? :p |
| 15:53.51 | jnwhiteh | nah |
| 15:53.56 | Zergreth | just kidding, hehe |
| 15:54.01 | jnwhiteh | I'm 30, which is old for this group |
| 15:54.01 | nightcracker | 43? |
| 15:54.09 | Zergreth | jnwhiteh, i guess, yea |
| 15:54.19 | mikma | jnwhiteh: lol wut, i'm not norwegian! |
| 15:54.24 | jnwhiteh | mikma: i know you're not |
| 15:54.25 | Zergreth | not as rare as it once was though |
| 15:54.27 | jnwhiteh | you're finnish |
| 15:54.27 | mikma | :) |
| 15:54.31 | jnwhiteh | I never said you were!! |
| 15:54.33 | mikma | PERKELE! |
| 15:54.44 | jnwhiteh | I wanna come see the gypsies! |
| 15:54.46 | Adys | Fisker: says the guy who's not updating the quotes |
| 15:54.49 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 15:55.01 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 15:55.01 | Zergreth | skandinavia kicks ass, no matter where you're from ;p |
| 15:55.01 | jnwhiteh | How's your wife and the baby? |
| 15:55.02 | Adys | jnwhiteh: how's your grandson? :P |
| 15:55.15 | Zergreth | lol Adys |
| 15:55.16 | jnwhiteh | Adys: lulz |
| 15:55.19 | nightcracker | Good, thanks. |
| 15:55.23 | nightcracker | lol |
| 15:56.11 | jnwhiteh | HoN |
| 15:56.13 | jnwhiteh | brb in 45 min |
| 15:56.20 | Zergreth | bleh |
| 15:56.24 | Zergreth | i already hated dota |
| 15:56.29 | Zergreth | w7e |
| 15:56.31 | Zergreth | err |
| 15:56.34 | Zergreth | *w/e |
| 15:57.05 | nightcracker | screw bassshunter nub |
| 15:59.42 | nightcracker | bored |
| 15:59.56 | Adys | read the quotes |
| 16:00.10 | nightcracker | k |
| 16:00.40 | nightcracker | wanna read something EPIC? http://www.thejaywalker.com/pages/shit_happens.html |
| 16:10.03 | nightcracker | and once again it's silent in here |
| 16:10.17 | haste | pretty common |
| 16:10.25 | Kalroth | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe |
| 16:10.26 | haste | busy re-doing tags on my music |
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| 16:17.10 | Adys | Kalroth: *unzips* |
| 16:17.34 | Kalroth | no, that is pretty believeable |
| 16:17.42 | Adys | *zips* |
| 16:17.44 | Adys | Fuck you |
| 16:18.00 | Kalroth | haaa |
| 16:18.28 | nightcracker | Adys: *unzips* |
| 16:18.36 | nightcracker | AAAAH CLOSE THE DAMN THING, MY EYES!!!! |
| 16:18.36 | Adys | Kalroth: adding glyph support! |
| 16:18.42 | zenzelezz | oh, how I loathe entering a random heroic for my Frost emblems, only to be greeted by stuff like "we do [Respect Your Elders]" |
| 16:19.23 | nightcracker | anal [Respect Your Elders] |
| 16:19.37 | Adys | its not funny, nightcracker |
| 16:19.43 | nightcracker | why is everything funny with anal in front of it? |
| 16:19.59 | Adys | Because its not |
| 16:20.04 | nightcracker | ahh i see |
| 16:20.22 | Adys | and if you think it is, you're one of those people bleeter was talking about |
| 16:20.30 | Fisker | you haste |
| 16:21.08 | Kalroth | if you think anal <word> is funny then you're more fisker than Fisker |
| 16:22.17 | Adys | Kalroth: Fiskerer? |
| 16:26.15 | Adys | What's the ptr version of 11159? |
| 16:26.22 | Adys | or the closest to it |
| 16:31.00 | nightcracker | maybe look on http://wowcompares.com? |
| 16:31.05 | Fisker | :o |
| 16:31.13 | Fisker | the EU battle.net page finally shows your accountname now |
| 16:34.25 | Zergreth | gotta go, bye (: |
| 16:34.40 | Fisker | "DirectX support by default for the Windows platform" |
| 16:34.53 | Fisker | Does that mean XMBC finally supports hardware acceleration in windows now? |
| 16:35.17 | Wobin | whenever someone on the server brings out the 'anal [skill]' game |
| 16:35.20 | Wobin | I end it with http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=5025 |
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| 16:41.14 | nightcracker | back, switched to x-chat |
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| 16:52.37 | Fisker | haste halp me :( |
| 16:52.41 | haste | Fisker: noes |
| 16:52.52 | haste | busy with conspiracy stuff |
| 16:53.05 | Fisker | jerks are ganking me |
| 16:55.29 | nightcracker | on what server are you guys? |
| 16:55.43 | haste | he's on DKDKDKDCrest and I'm on Grim Tugal |
| 16:55.53 | Shirik | DKDKDKDK? |
| 16:56.20 | nightcracker | Lol? |
| 16:56.31 | haste | Denmark Denmark Denmark Denmark Crest |
| 16:56.52 | nightcracker | Is that a server? |
| 16:57.21 | haste | no, it's a commonly used name for Ravencrest |
| 16:57.32 | haste | just as Grim Tugal is used for Grim Batol |
| 16:57.59 | Kalroth | ravencrest is the unofficial home of wow.dk or something dumb like that |
| 16:58.12 | nightcracker | EU? |
| 16:58.31 | Kalroth | no, the Danes play on US servers since the timezone fits them better |
| 16:58.37 | haste | indeed |
| 16:58.55 | nightcracker | I was talking about Grim Batol. |
| 16:59.11 | nightcracker | haste, are you horde or ally (I have an 80 paladin on grim batol eu) |
| 16:59.16 | Kalroth | haste is a tuga warrior so he's on GB |
| 17:00.54 | haste | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Grim+Batol&n=Haste doesn't look like a warrior to me! |
| 17:05.44 | zenzelezz | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Matryoshka-Method.aspx o_O |
| 17:09.07 | nightcracker | haste, you're on the same server as me, my char: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Grim+Batol&n=Vekashna |
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| 17:11.10 | Shirik | anyone have easy access to g++ that can confirm running http://codepad.org/CMW1wJDX results in no warnings? |
| 17:12.41 | haste | Shirik: gcc 4.4 doesn't say anything at least |
| 17:12.46 | Shirik | huh. |
| 17:12.58 | Shirik | and it works, I assume |
| 17:13.22 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure that's in violation of the standard, though I could be wrong (and it's a useful violation if it is) |
| 17:13.30 | haste | 0x82c2008 is what it prints |
| 17:13.56 | haste | this is GCC 4.4 over a icecream cluster of three machines tho' |
| 17:14.05 | zenzelezz | GCC 4.3.3 on my Slackware gives no warning, prints the address |
| 17:14.11 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure it's supposed to fail due to */ outside of a comment |
| 17:14.21 | zenzelezz | (well, g++) |
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| 17:23.28 | Fisker | i am disappointed Shirik |
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| 17:43.50 | ckknight | Fisker, I am disappoint |
| 17:48.35 | Fisker | why ckknight ? |
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| 17:50.14 | nightcracker | hey guys back |
| 18:06.51 | Antiarc | jnwhiteh: Oh, you're in Phoenix? |
| 18:07.23 | Antiarc | I'm down in the SE valley these days - moved last month - but don't have much to do today beyond watching the kiddo :) |
| 18:12.53 | Antiarc | Torchlight is $4.99 today |
| 18:12.55 | Antiarc | If you don't get it |
| 18:12.57 | Antiarc | You should. |
| 18:13.03 | Fisker | slaps Antiarc around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:13.05 | Antiarc | http://store.steampowered.com/app/41500/ |
| 18:14.29 | Fisker | why won't jnwhiteh like me Antiarc ? |
| 18:14.46 | Antiarc | Did you shower this month? |
| 18:15.05 | Fisker | do what now? |
| 18:15.24 | Antiarc | There's yer problem |
| 18:20.14 | Shirik | good Fisker |
| 18:20.18 | Shirik | you should be disappointed |
| 18:21.02 | Mr_Rabies | do any of you guys have torchlight? |
| 18:23.21 | Antiarc | I do! |
| 18:23.25 | Antiarc | It is excellent fun |
| 18:23.54 | Mr_Rabies | can you respec or is it like diablo (until the most recent D2 patch)? |
| 18:24.28 | Mr_Rabies | not being able to respec is one of a few reasons i stopped playing diablo after playing wow |
| 18:24.31 | Antiarc | There's a mod you can add that lets you buy a respec potion for 2000g or somesuch |
| 18:24.40 | Mr_Rabies | good enough |
| 18:24.50 | Antiarc | It's an official mod by the devs - they just didn't put it in the core game due to the whiners |
| 18:24.56 | Antiarc | But they released it when they released the game |
| 18:24.58 | Mr_Rabies | i hate being stuck |
| 18:25.02 | Mr_Rabies | to a build |
| 18:25.06 | Mr_Rabies | nice, thanks for the info man |
| 18:25.19 | Mr_Rabies | i can swap from summoner to mage at my heart's content |
| 18:25.20 | Mr_Rabies | weee |
| 18:37.45 | Shirik | Mr_Rabies |
| 18:37.48 | Shirik | there is a name I haven't seen in a while |
| 18:39.04 | Thunder_Child | helps if you open your eyes Shirik |
| 18:39.09 | Shirik | :/ |
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| 18:39.26 | Thunder_Child | he was around a week ago or so |
| 18:40.20 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:40.29 | Fisker | i have like 30 stacks of frostweave cloth |
| 18:40.31 | Fisker | what should i use it for? |
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| 18:42.23 | zenzelezz | Fisker: panties |
| 18:42.33 | Fisker | oooh |
| 18:44.40 | Fisker | can anyone tell me why people are retarded? |
| 18:45.17 | Dagmar | Because there are not enough factors limiting their numbers through predation |
| 18:45.31 | zenzelezz | limits Dagmar through predation |
| 18:45.34 | Thunder_Child | genetics |
| 18:46.21 | Fisker | i find it funny that someone is putting up Frostweave Cloth for 2g a stack |
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| 19:01.59 | dear_light | is there a way to retrieve what text is highlighted in an editbox (start,end) |
| 19:03.53 | Iriel | interesting, there doesn't seem to be an obvious method for that |
| 19:04.30 | zenzelezz | makes a hand gesture |
| 19:04.31 | zenzelezz | You do not need to see his selection range. |
| 19:04.38 | Iriel | I'm guessing 'no'-- do you have a use case for it,? |
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| 19:14.38 | dear_light | well the use would be too odd i guess for a good use (wanting to ensure a selection of text is only selectable as a whole rather than just a part of it) |
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| 19:15.34 | Iriel | That's not unreasonable.. i'll mention the lack of it in case we can get it in some future revision. |
| 19:16.04 | dear_light | <3 |
| 19:18.14 | Fisker | i fu'd |
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| 19:30.48 | Shirik | Loud unit tests ftl :( |
| 19:30.58 | Iriel | Loud SUCCESS? |
| 19:31.00 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:31.02 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/130674 |
| 19:31.05 | Iriel | yeah, that annoys me |
| 19:31.14 | Iriel | log.debug FTW |
| 19:31.31 | Iriel | (where debug is by default off) |
| 19:31.39 | Shirik | Visual studio is throwing up a bunch of "First chance exception occurred!" in the output panel |
| 19:31.46 | Shirik | it's not actually the unit tests at fault |
| 19:31.53 | Shirik | they just go "Running unit tests........OK!" |
| 19:32.20 | Shirik | but visual studio is seeing all the exceptions from the error condition tests and is whining about them |
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| 19:34.33 | Shirik | oh Iriel |
| 19:34.41 | Shirik | I win christmas this year |
| 19:35.06 | Shirik | I'm not sure if my family is saying I need to get out more or they like my pictures, but they got me a ton of photography and hiking equipment |
| 19:35.30 | Shirik | including a photography vest which is quite awesome |
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| 19:41.42 | Iriel | Excellent |
| 19:41.56 | Iriel | And I wouldnt' question the motive if the result is to your liking |
| 19:42.02 | Iriel | You can do that in 20 years when you're in therapy |
| 19:42.05 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 19:42.55 | Fisker | slaps Iriel around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:42.56 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:42.57 | Shirik | haha |
| 19:47.04 | Adys | http://vimeo.com/7405114 |
| 19:50.27 | haste | meh |
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| 19:59.18 | Fisker | you wouldn't haste |
| 19:59.48 | haste | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOFwbB-K1N8&fmt=35 have some IDM/breaks ! |
| 20:01.25 | Fisker | 35? |
| 20:01.28 | Fisker | super super hd? |
| 20:03.17 | haste | Fisker: nah, HQ FLV |
| 20:07.30 | Fisker | but fmt=22 = old HD i believe |
| 20:07.30 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 20:07.55 | haste | fmt=22 = 720p mp4 |
| 20:08.07 | haste | that entry doesn't have it |
| 20:09.30 | Fisker | fmt=35? |
| 20:09.59 | haste | hq flv |
| 20:10.28 | Fisker | my hate level is atleast 9000 haste |
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| 20:11.02 | haste | Fisker: pfft, ti's 1006! |
| 20:16.31 | haste | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z0Jbke0FCE#t=7m42s ! |
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| 20:45.01 | Fisker | i'm the hero this irc channel needs haste |
| 20:45.41 | Fisker | i think i get it haste ! |
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| 20:45.49 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:46.04 | Shirik | my code coverage tool is saying I'm missing functions, but I swear they're being tested -_- |
| 20:46.07 | Shirik | who do I trust... |
| 20:46.56 | Iriel | Put a debug statement into the funciton |
| 20:47.18 | Iriel | (i.e. trust nobody) |
| 20:49.20 | Iriel | maybe it's an inlining problem? |
| 20:56.08 | Shirik | no, the function is definitely being called, and I'm not quite sure what the code coverage program is smoking |
| 20:56.16 | Shirik | I asked it for details |
| 20:56.20 | Shirik | and here's its output: |
| 20:57.25 | haste | amazing |
| 20:57.40 | Shirik | I hate you haste |
| 20:58.33 | haste | :D |
| 20:59.02 | Shirik | First it says the functions aren't covered: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/8d60f7a362ba38f4d6e832854fbc0a1e.png |
| 20:59.24 | Shirik | And then it says that they are: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/9e6700ed7db7ff935da6ffc71741bc05.png |
| 20:59.45 | Shirik | The wierd part is, I've never even seen it try to analyze a header file before, and it also says something wierd at the top about the timestamp being messed up |
| 20:59.48 | Shirik | which I've never seen before |
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| 21:22.19 | foxlit | mm, muffins + apples == delicious |
| 21:22.45 | mikma | mupples |
| 21:24.26 | foxlit | delicious appins? |
| 21:24.34 | foxlit | apfins? |
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| 21:35.38 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsusJVaAWf8&feature=fvw |
| 21:35.39 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
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| 21:38.07 | Arrowmaster | if i find that game for $19-29 it might just be worth it for the credits alone |
| 21:40.03 | Fisker | Saurfang's vadery voice can't be a coincidence |
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| 21:57.31 | foxlit | I'm not buying this "it picks oculus more often because people queue for it" theory. |
| 21:58.28 | foxlit | Haven't yet sen a group member in there without the random dungeon debuff. |
| 21:58.59 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's just confirmation bias |
| 21:59.23 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.28 | Dagmar | VH three times now. |
| 21:59.29 | foxlit | Yeah, sample sizes are way too small. |
| 22:00.22 | Fisker | you wouldn't foxlit |
| 22:01.33 | Fisker | why would you queue for oculus anyways? |
| 22:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | To annoy foxlit. *grin* |
| 22:02.20 | Teomyr | To avoid Fisker. |
| 22:02.43 | Fisker | doubtful Teomyr |
| 22:02.54 | Fisker | One should make an addon to collect data on random instances |
| 22:03.02 | Fisker | oculus would be at the top for me |
| 22:03.19 | Fisker | Did it 3 days in a row around patch time |
| 22:05.23 | foxlit | Well, better oc than ak |
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| 22:08.27 | ZorbaTHut | I keep getting CoS and VH |
| 22:08.32 | ZorbaTHut | literally my two most hated instances |
| 22:08.43 | ZorbaTHut | although I don't mind VH too much since I'm still aiming for Dehydrated |
| 22:09.58 | Adys | My Google Chrome history takes up 4.1GB |
| 22:09.58 | Adys | over 5 months |
| 22:09.58 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe you should clear that up some? |
| 22:09.58 | Adys | Yes, I need room to download more blu rays. |
| 22:10.07 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 22:11.32 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 22:13.12 | Adys | You know what's scary though |
| 22:14.07 | Adys | The amount of porn I have on my computer isn't anywhere near the amount of porn URLs stored in that URL history |
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| 22:21.22 | Fisker | you wouldn't Lopeppeppy |
| 22:25.09 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm, oh I very would. |
| 22:25.31 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, copy it into a text file, it would take up less space. :) |
| 22:35.10 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i am so very tired of drinking |
| 22:36.24 | bleeter | heh neat, blizz mobile authenticator on Android http://deathcoil.net/authguide.html |
| 22:37.04 | bleeter | mm will throw some $ at my PayPal later n try it on my n97 |
| 22:37.39 | Lopeppeppy | TC, why are you drinking then? |
| 22:38.11 | bleeter | 'coz he's a rude bastard who wont give us the remainder |
| 22:38.12 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: sick. i have had so much water pass through me in the last few days i should rent myself to brita |
| 22:38.27 | foxlit | because it's the season to be drunk! |
| 22:38.27 | bleeter | ohhh apos |
| 22:38.55 | Thunder_Child | what wont i give you the remander of bleeter? |
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| 22:41.11 | bleeter | teh booze |
| 22:41.56 | Thunder_Child | i dont drink alcohol |
| 22:44.03 | bleeter | QED |
| 22:48.12 | Adys | Thunder_Child: [23:30:18]Â <Lunessa> Light Beer - beer for people who can't handle flavor. |
| 22:48.13 | Adys | [23:30:54]Â <Kirov> beer - for people who can't handle their vodka |
| 22:48.13 | Adys | [23:31:22]Â <Codex|> vodka- for people who cant handle their rum |
| 22:48.13 | Adys | [23:31:37]Â <Kirov> rum - for people who can't handle their scotch |
| 22:48.13 | Adys | [23:32:06]Â <amro> alcohol - for people who can't handle their life |
| 22:49.12 | Thunder_Child | either that means i can handle my life...or i just dont like the tatse |
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| 22:51.06 | Shirik | Adys, that seems bash-worthy |
| 22:51.29 | Shirik | n'est pas? |
| 22:52.03 | Adys | Shirik: ~wowiquotes |
| 22:52.09 | Adys | i had sent it to bash |
| 22:52.14 | Adys | but bash seems to just reject everythign |
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| 22:52.19 | Shirik | yeah |
| 22:56.49 | Thunder_Child | i guess they have their standards |
| 22:57.12 | Adys | no they dont. |
| 22:59.21 | bleeter | wait, Ackis has got engaged? |
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| 23:02.53 | foxlit | http://bash.org/?899865 , np. |
| 23:05.02 | bleeter | Ackis: and grats again, for IRC ;) |
| 23:05.30 | Adys | mplayer is so bad |
| 23:05.36 | Adys | its good at playing stuff |
| 23:05.39 | Adys | but man is it bad. |
| 23:06.29 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: how do you not have dehydrated yet? |
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| 23:07.53 | Arrowmaster | damnit |
| 23:11.39 | Lopeppeppy | What's so unpleasant about being drunk? Just ask a glass of water. |
| 23:14.26 | Shirik | I don't remember ever having been drunk |
| 23:14.35 | Shirik | interpret that however you may :) |
| 23:14.44 | Adys | too late I already have |
| 23:14.50 | Shirik | it's far more fun to watch people |
| 23:15.52 | Adys | ive only been drunk once and that was 8 years ago |
| 23:15.54 | Adys | I was 10. |
| 23:16.18 | Lopeppeppy | I tend to stay away from alcohol when other people are around. |
| 23:16.21 | Adys | some dude "swapped" alcohol and some juice at a club |
| 23:16.28 | Adys | fencing club birthday |
| 23:16.51 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: thats rather similar to what Cairenn|afk said |
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| 23:19.17 | Lopeppeppy | That's because we're smart females, TC. |
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| 23:35.33 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, I keep botching it, and nobody else bothers to try |
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| 23:52.15 | Wobin | hehe |
| 23:52.30 | Wobin | I love all the alliance whines that "zomg, so hard to do stuff in horde cities" |
| 23:52.43 | Wobin | welcome to horde =P |
| 23:56.29 | nobin | /n/W/ sucks |
| 23:56.58 | Wobin | change your name then =) |
| 23:57.07 | Lopeppeppy | is rotting her brain with Twilight! |
| 23:57.12 | Wobin | *gasp* |
| 23:57.14 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 23:57.24 | Wobin | I hope you're doing so ironically |
| 23:57.32 | Wobin | else my opinion of you has dropped =( |
| 23:57.32 | Lopeppeppy | It's a hoot, Wobin. |
| 23:57.36 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy should lose +v and MVP for even considering the idea |
| 23:57.36 | cool_Wobin | ha |
| 23:58.02 | Lopeppeppy | I watch things like Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus for the giggles, why shouldn't I watch other trashy movies for the fun of MST3K'ing them? |
| 23:58.31 | Wobin | cause, anything that produces... http://tantusinc.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TD&Product_Code=VAMP |
| 23:58.36 | bleeter | sure, watch them, but don't tell the cool kids 'til after the fact and throw in some appropriate derisory giggles :P |
| 23:58.36 | Wobin | (NSFW) |
| 23:58.47 | Wobin | (not that I expect anyone to -be- at work today...) |
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| 23:59.29 | Lopeppeppy | I said they were funny, what more do you want? :P Half-nekkid boys to giggle at, teenage angst to make fun of. |
