| 00:00.52 | foxlit | Four is pretty close to bazillion, then :) |
| 00:01.06 | Shadowed | that's three! |
| 00:01.12 | foxlit | protected frames. |
| 00:01.20 | Shadowed | protected frames are a subset of no calling in combat |
| 00:01.22 | Shadowed | :> |
| 00:02.26 | foxlit | Meh. I'm totally placing emphasis on the difference between calling things and calling methods on things. |
| 00:02.36 | Shadowed | :P |
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| 00:07.12 | zenzelezz | I hate how so many people have developed a liking to the "let's hide on the side of the room to LoS everything" tactic in Halls of Reflection... it's freaking horrible to tank that way |
| 00:07.23 | zenzelezz | and really, if your group is half competent, fighting in the middle isn't rocket surgery |
| 00:07.56 | foxlit | It's the refuge of "but zomg, 5 mobs, I cannot pick them all up!" tanks. |
| 00:08.21 | foxlit | Paladins, looking at you and your consecration. |
| 00:08.26 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 00:08.40 | Hirsute | Anyone have experience using regexes with unicode character properties in perl before? |
| 00:08.58 | zenzelezz | I noticed that I only ever need to pick up (mob count - 1), since the rest of the group can handle a caster alone while I get a grip on the rest |
| 00:09.25 | Hirsute | Specifically, I need to be able to match strings that are cyrillic |
| 00:11.08 | foxlit | Bloody annoying as a healer, too. |
| 00:11.21 | foxlit | Means I *cannot* keep hots running on people, because then the whole crowd will just come for me. |
| 00:11.52 | Amarande | ever notice that caster mobs, except for raid bosses, tend to be underpowered compared to melee mobs? |
| 00:12.10 | foxlit | 8k fireball in your face. |
| 00:12.43 | foxlit | But yeah, the general observation holds. |
| 00:12.47 | Amarande | foxlit: the difference becomes more noticeable in groups, and when you outlevel content and go back to solo it. |
| 00:12.50 | zenzelezz | foxlit: if the group fails to keep a caster stunned/silenced, then yeah, I'd have to tank that one too |
| 00:12.56 | Amarande | like how zenzelezz's group can handle a caster without a tank |
| 00:13.16 | Amarande | or how when you go into 60 dungeons at 80, you can aggro half the instance if they're casters and are unlikely to suffer for it |
| 00:13.32 | Amarande | while if you aggro more than a few melee mobs you will still get OMNOMNOMed to death depending on your class |
| 00:13.47 | foxlit | At 80, I wouldn't expect there to be that much of a difference. |
| 00:14.03 | Amarande | foxlit: for some reason, the hit rating works weird for mobs |
| 00:14.04 | foxlit | Although of course spell resists are imba. |
| 00:14.13 | Amarande | caster mobs 20 levels below you almost never connect |
| 00:14.20 | eidolarr | yeah but |
| 00:14.32 | eidolarr | when they do the effects soemtimes scale in ways that melee rarely does |
| 00:14.38 | Amarande | (although there WAS that one time I died ignominiously helping some guys with ring of blood because somehow a chain lightning FROM A 67 MOB I WAS 80 connected and hit me for 4k and then I got beat down to death) |
| 00:14.39 | eidolarr | like frostbolts slowing you in SM are always a PITA |
| 00:14.53 | Xuerian | Amarande: Lrn2pallytank |
| 00:14.55 | eidolarr | yeah that chain lightning is vicious |
| 00:14.55 | Amarande | while otoh, melee mobs 20 levels below you still seem to hit pretty much just as often as if you were still their level |
| 00:15.18 | Amarande | eidolarr: yeah I was like WTF how did that hit I'm 13 levels above him for chrissakes |
| 00:15.44 | foxlit | Generally, casters are not immune to being locked down. |
| 00:15.48 | foxlit | Because they're supposed to hurt. |
| 00:15.55 | foxlit | And tanks are not supposed to be able to mitigate magic. |
| 00:16.14 | eidolarr | that's not true in general |
| 00:16.23 | foxlit | So the only possible outcome there is "quick, shield-bash-his-face-while-we-dps-it-quickly!" |
| 00:16.34 | eidolarr | there are a lot of mobs where if you silence them they whup your ass with melee |
| 00:16.35 | Amarande | another melee vs. caster mob case for instance: |
| 00:16.38 | Amarande | in Scholomance, when soloing |
| 00:16.56 | zenzelezz | I hate the freaking spell shades in Scholomance... the ones immune to melee |
| 00:16.59 | Amarande | I can die against the skeletons in Rattlegore's room if I aggro too many at once |
| 00:17.11 | eidolarr | yeah but those are an exceptional case |
| 00:17.15 | Amarande | I've come close to dying against the corpses in Lorekeeper's room if I aggro too many at once |
| 00:17.24 | Xuerian | Lol |
| 00:17.27 | Xuerian | Those are still deadly |
| 00:17.29 | Amarande | I've DIED against the skeletons in the Ravenian's room if I'm macho and try to fight them all at once |
| 00:17.32 | Amarande | however, on the other hand |
| 00:17.39 | Xuerian | "LOLOL WE CAN DO THEM ALL *kersploosh*" |
| 00:17.42 | Xuerian | "uh mebbie not" |
| 00:18.12 | zenzelezz | the main issue with the Rattlegore skeletons is they stun |
| 00:18.13 | Amarande | Ras Frostwhisper, a BOSS, is lucky to do A SINGLE POINT OF DAMAGE to me, because, mainly, he is a caster. |
| 00:18.15 | Xuerian | It's not as fun as it was at 60 undergeared, though |
| 00:18.20 | zenzelezz | if one connects, they all pound you |
| 00:18.34 | eidolarr | yeah he hurt at 60 |
| 00:18.38 | eidolarr | pretty sure it's just a scaling issue |
| 00:18.45 | eidolarr | since like |
| 00:18.50 | foxlit | Go do DM |
| 00:18.52 | eidolarr | resist scales on its own, but dodge and stuff doesnt if you dont have rating |
| 00:18.53 | foxlit | The prince is awesome. |
| 00:18.53 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember the last time I remember actually having a Scholomance spell connect to me, except for Gandling's Shadow Portal which seems to be fixed 100% hit |
| 00:19.06 | foxlit | eidolarr: miss does. |
| 00:19.10 | eidolarr | i don't think that's a spell mechanically |
| 00:19.20 | eidolarr | not really |
| 00:19.22 | foxlit | They're less liable to hit you, but only pathetically less so. |
| 00:19.26 | Amarande | foxlit: if that's the case, old world instance mobs have like infinite hit rating or something |
| 00:19.39 | foxlit | No, no. It's regular defense mechanics. |
| 00:19.54 | eidolarr | there are no regular defense mechanics |
| 00:19.59 | eidolarr | player defense is very different |
| 00:20.30 | foxlit | Basically 0.20 of everything per level. |
| 00:20.39 | foxlit | Was my impression |
| 00:20.48 | eidolarr | 5 of everything per level |
| 00:21.05 | eidolarr | but player skill vs monster defense scales very oddly |
| 00:21.20 | foxlit | It's 5 defense skill, not 5 of anything else :) |
| 00:21.30 | eidolarr | like, you can hardly hit a mob 5 levels above you, but a mob 5 levls below you will hit you more or less the same as even level |
| 00:21.57 | foxlit | You basically have no glancing blows chance. |
| 00:22.47 | eidolarr | it's not that simple |
| 00:23.03 | foxlit | It does, however, cap out relatively early. |
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| 00:24.15 | DWSR | Anyone here use Altoholic and have performance issues in instances? |
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| 00:27.31 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i wonder why there is 2 battered hilt pages on wowhead |
| 00:27.57 | Grum | horde/alliance? |
| 00:28.04 | Amarande | T_C: did they change the item id or something maybe? |
| 00:28.12 | DWSR | Horde/Alliance. |
| 00:28.26 | nevcairiel | Its horde/alliance, yes. they start different quests |
| 00:28.31 | Amarande | They seem to be doing that a lot lately, with the separate horde/alliance items. |
| 00:28.31 | Amarande | Wonder why. |
| 00:28.36 | Gnarfoz | uhm |
| 00:28.42 | Gnarfoz | stop wondering? |
| 00:28.43 | nevcairiel | For Tier items they have different artwork |
| 00:28.43 | Thunder_Child | i would suspect they would make a generic quest item |
| 00:28.44 | Amarande | It made sense in ToC, perhaps, but not really elsewhere. |
| 00:28.52 | Thunder_Child | and change it from there |
| 00:28.52 | Gnarfoz | they're not doing it much elsewhere. |
| 00:28.53 | DWSR | So you can't faction change and sell the item. |
| 00:29.08 | nevcairiel | I doubt thats one of their intentions, really. |
| 00:29.19 | Thunder_Child | thats silly |
| 00:29.22 | Gnarfoz | it starts different quests |
| 00:29.31 | nevcairiel | Like i said 20 lines ago |
| 00:29.33 | Gnarfoz | maybe the can only attach one "starts this quest: xyz" ID to one item |
| 00:29.33 | nevcairiel | its different quests |
| 00:29.38 | Gnarfoz | yeah, well |
| 00:29.40 | Gnarfoz | ;o |
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| 00:29.51 | Thunder_Child | it should trigger depend who you turned it in to |
| 00:29.53 | Gnarfoz | most logical answer isn't always popular |
| 00:29.53 | Thunder_Child | but w/e |
| 00:30.01 | Thunder_Child | depending* |
| 00:30.04 | foxlit | Hah, neutral AH + that item == awesome |
| 00:30.06 | Gnarfoz | you turn it in to different people...? |
| 00:30.07 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 00:30.25 | nevcairiel | wonder what happens when you do that, foxlit |
| 00:30.46 | foxlit | You will not meet the quest requirements. |
| 00:30.50 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz: seems not |
| 00:30.51 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 00:30.54 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: possibly |
| 00:31.03 | Amarande | there's still that necklace in Uldaman that works differently based on faction |
| 00:31.12 | nevcairiel | back in vanilla i was able to accept a horde quest in thousand needles |
| 00:31.19 | Amarande | and only Alliance can right click to start the quest, Horde have to drag it to Orgrimmar (possibly not knowing there WAS a quest) to do theirs |
| 00:31.24 | Gnarfoz | sigh |
| 00:31.28 | nevcairiel | sadly, the turn-in npc was not really speaking to me |
| 00:32.21 | Amarande | and yeah, I wonder if they were thinking about the neutral AH much, either :S |
| 00:32.27 | Amarande | I mean, it's one thing to have separate alliance/horde items |
| 00:32.43 | Amarande | but to specifically mark them "Races:" actively preventing them from being traded that way? |
| 00:32.47 | Amarande | seems kinda odd. |
| 00:32.52 | nevcairiel | its not marked |
| 00:32.55 | nevcairiel | afaik |
| 00:33.06 | Amarande | nevcairiel: there are a fair number of recent tradables that are, though |
| 00:33.13 | Amarande | for instance, selling a toc recipe over neutral ah = fail |
| 00:33.33 | Amarande | which is kinda dumb especially when you consider that one of the basic IDEAS of the neutral AH was to allow stuff that could only be found by one faction to be sold to the other |
| 00:33.50 | Amarande | (in fact, before Pilgrim's Bounty, Chef de Cuisine achievement in particular REQUIRED this.) |
| 00:33.57 | nevcairiel | Those are the craftables with a faction design |
| 00:34.00 | Thunder_Child | though using the neutral ah seems silly, there is no gain. it's not like the other faction cant get it just the same |
| 00:34.07 | zenzelezz | I find it odd that items that "Start a quest" couldn't just have the "which quest does this start?" logic on the server, not in the item |
| 00:34.20 | nevcairiel | alot of items in totc had a specific design for your faction |
| 00:34.28 | nevcairiel | its pretty clear they dont want the other faction to get it |
| 00:34.40 | nevcairiel | they have the same item, just under a different name and different textures |
| 00:34.53 | foxlit | zenzelezz: On he other hand, why mess with a design decision that's worked since Onyxia's head rolled? |
| 00:35.21 | nevcairiel | did onyxia drop different heads? |
| 00:35.24 | nevcairiel | wonders |
| 00:35.28 | zenzelezz | think so |
| 00:36.21 | Amarande | nevcairiel: and yet there have been items in the past whose existence as player obtainable items can solely be explained as a MEANS to allow the other faction access to a normally exclusive model |
| 00:36.22 | zenzelezz | if you have any of the alliance/horde specific armor from TotC or similar and do a faction transfer, do they just swap the items? |
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| 00:36.29 | foxlit | yes. |
| 00:36.33 | Amarande | case in point: things like Rivendare's Deathcharger |
| 00:36.43 | Amarande | which, fwiw, seems to mainly exist to allow alliance access to a horde mount model. |
| 00:36.51 | Amarande | now they seem to be backpedaling away from this idea at top speed |
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| 00:37.02 | Amarande | which kinda sucks, as it's one of the few ways of being relatively unique on a server and faction |
| 00:37.04 | nevcairiel | you're seriously over thinking a non-issue |
| 00:37.27 | Gnarfoz | in way too many words, too, but that's his usual ^^ |
| 00:37.41 | nevcairiel | totc was *designed* as a faction thing |
| 00:37.47 | nevcairiel | its just natural that they limit the stuff |
| 00:38.13 | Amarande | btw, how does Alliance's Faction Champions fight compare to Horde's? |
| 00:38.29 | Amarande | come to think of it, I've only ever heard much of anything about faction champions as fought by horde players |
| 00:38.37 | Amarande | I don't think I know a whit about the alliance side battle |
| 00:38.49 | Amarande | I presume that it's a totally different battle per side though |
| 00:39.32 | nevcairiel | dunno, havent seen the horde version =P |
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| 00:40.33 | nevcairiel | but i bet they are pretty similar |
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| 00:44.15 | Ginji | Yes, but when the alliance get's owned you see the undead cannibalize their corpses |
| 00:44.19 | Kraps | good evening and happy chanukah |
| 00:44.36 | Ginji | Ghappy Gholidays |
| 00:45.19 | nevcairiel | The whole issue of unique stuff per faction coems down to one problem: Enemys are more likely to be undead then alive, so they can't drop a default human horse, they drop a skeleton horse |
| 00:45.41 | mikma | pff, unholy dk post in elitist jerks changes dailyh |
| 00:46.23 | DWSR | mikma: Indeed. |
| 00:46.32 | DWSR | nevcairiel and Amarande: They're identical, btw. |
| 00:46.38 | DWSR | undead characters don't use WotF. |
| 00:47.10 | Kraps | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Tiffany_glasswork_Hanukkah_menora02.jpg |
| 00:47.14 | Kraps | doh |
| 00:49.46 | Amarande | nevcairiel: indeed, because of that alliance gets access to several more basic horde mount models than horde gets to alliance |
| 00:49.48 | Amarande | I mean, let's see: |
| 00:50.14 | Amarande | Alliance access to Horde: Skeleton horse, Stratholme. Chocobo, heroic MgT. Kodo, Brewfest. Raptor, ZG. Wolf I think is the only one they still can't get yet. |
| 00:51.21 | nevcairiel | Its not the alliance fault that the horde is all bad guys |
| 00:51.24 | Amarande | Horde access to Alliance: Cat, ZG. Ram, Brewfest. Horse, I think there's *one* non-undead horse Horde can get via ToC champion's seals IIRC. Mechanostrider and Elekk: Hell no. |
| 00:52.23 | nevcairiel | i want a raptor though =( |
| 00:55.48 | Ginji | I had a raptor! |
| 00:55.51 | Ginji | have! |
| 00:56.11 | Ginji | Though now that I've switched factions it's not that strange anymore |
| 00:56.38 | nevcairiel | what happens to mounts when you switch? |
| 00:56.38 | Ginji | Amarande: what about the Frostsaber mount! |
| 00:56.58 | Ginji | They get translated to a horde/alliance couterpart |
| 00:57.07 | Ginji | s/ou/oun/ |
| 00:57.07 | zenzelezz | yup :( |
| 00:57.52 | nevcairiel | Didnt horde get their own frostsaber in form of a special raptor? |
| 00:57.56 | foxlit | Random if they can't make it fit, iirc. |
| 00:58.17 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: Venomhide raptor, yes |
| 00:58.20 | Amarande | Ginji: frostsaber and raptor are from totally different quests though |
| 00:58.30 | zenzelezz | *ravasaur |
| 00:58.44 | Amarande | it's not like the regular stuff where horde would get one reward and alliance would get a different one |
| 01:01.01 | Ginji | imho they should just merge the horde/alliance economy |
| 01:03.08 | Balreign | WHAT! |
| 01:04.28 | Ginji | ... In the butt |
| 01:05.54 | Balreign | horde is cheaper than alliance, I don't want that to change |
| 01:06.10 | airtonix | so if you were a gnome with a mechanostrider and paid for a faction transfer.... |
| 01:06.31 | airtonix | and it was the only mount you had... |
| 01:06.50 | airtonix | [Blizzard] LOL@YOU |
| 01:07.34 | foxlit | It'll map to a racial mount? |
| 01:08.26 | airtonix | has it been revealed what the goblin mount will be? |
| 01:08.35 | airtonix | just a reskinned mechanostrider? |
| 01:08.55 | nevcairiel | a rocket ship. |
| 01:09.15 | nevcairiel | not much has been revealed about the new races |
| 01:09.35 | airtonix | would of been preferable to have a robot with a seat on its head |
| 01:09.56 | airtonix | or in its head |
| 01:12.09 | Codayus | WTB shredder. |
| 01:12.10 | Codayus | Mmmm |
| 01:18.41 | Xuerian | Ok, I need some help figuring out why my WoW lags randomly while running. Jitters is more accurate, it's a steady slowdown, accompanied by a noticeable amount of cpu usage by "System". It can be in a perfectly empty area that I've entirely loaded (8gb of ram) or in a full place like Dalaran, neither of which I naturally lag in at all. Any ideas? Suggestions to narrow down the real problem? |
| 01:19.16 | foxlit | Can you reliably reproduce the issue? |
| 01:20.24 | Xuerian | autorun back and forth at westguard keep works fine. I can't make it start lagging instantly, but it reliably doesn't while I"m standing still, and does after a few seconds of running |
| 01:20.42 | DWSR | reduce farclip |
| 01:20.43 | Xuerian | Fan run at a wall and it doesn't happen, so it's movement through the world |
| 01:20.54 | DWSR | reduce your farclip |
| 01:21.07 | Xuerian | Miniumum farclip and it still happens |
| 01:21.09 | Xuerian | same amount |
| 01:21.11 | Xuerian | same way |
| 01:21.17 | DWSR | hmm |
| 01:21.21 | Xuerian | no addons, same thing |
| 01:21.26 | Xuerian | cleared caches, same thing |
| 01:21.32 | Xuerian | updated drivers/dx, same thing =| |
| 01:21.35 | DWSR | slow disk |
| 01:21.35 | Amarande | DWSR: reducing farclip ... you mean "maximum object render distance" or whatnot? |
| 01:21.36 | DWSR | ? |
| 01:21.39 | Tenchworks | have you defragged the drive recently? after installing patches and dealing with mods if the drive is close to full to bgin with the game files can become easily fragmentated and scattered about causing the system unnecessarry wait time while trying to piece together data |
| 01:21.41 | Amarande | that's a good wahy to die ignominiously. :) |
| 01:21.56 | Amarande | I still remember the infamous deadly titanium node :P |
| 01:21.56 | Xuerian | Defragged fully, sorted by file name |
| 01:22.18 | foxlit | Check CPU/GPU temperatures and throttling |
| 01:22.40 | Xuerian | GPU is at half load, temps are fine (1/2 of what they run at in borderlands) |
| 01:23.12 | Xuerian | CPU throttling... Is there something that graphs CPU clock like gpuz graphs gpu clock? |
| 01:23.21 | Xuerian | duh, resmon |
| 01:23.28 | Tenchworks | resmon? |
| 01:23.41 | Xuerian | Resource Monitor, win7 |
| 01:23.52 | Tenchworks | oh lol |
| 01:24.10 | Tenchworks | I couldn't shake the thought that you where referenciung to a ressurect monitor |
| 01:24.13 | Tenchworks | >.< |
| 01:24.38 | Tenchworks | <--- dead in bwl waiting for a res coincidently |
| 01:24.57 | Xuerian | ... |
| 01:25.07 | Xuerian | cpu vcore min 1.22 max 1.28.. 0_o |
| 01:25.25 | Xuerian | That normal fluctuation? |
| 01:25.31 | Kraps | "Batman's secret identity is Bruce Wayne" what |
| 01:25.43 | Tenchworks | if the system isn't throttling then I'd be really concerned over that |
| 01:26.20 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHGn1RMZE_A |
| 01:26.23 | Xuerian | Tenchworks: Not quite sure I'm grasping what you mean. |
| 01:27.59 | batrick | 3.3 Added som screwy Camera change that makes it go to a set angle relative to the ground and my character whenever I move... anyone know how to turn that off? I couldn't find anything in the camera controls... |
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| 01:28.42 | Xuerian | And it's refusing to occur now. Wat =| |
| 01:29.02 | Fisker | then you weren't looking hard enough jerkface |
| 01:29.04 | Tenchworks | auto-throttling that is controlled by the motherboard has set limits on how much it can throttle, but if the system is not auto-throttling then you may wabt to check powersupply look online to see if that is a normal amount for voltage difference, I usually get concenrned if the difference is more then +-3 volts |
| 01:29.15 | Fisker | it's camera following style or whatever it's called |
| 01:29.36 | Xuerian | Tenchworks: Ah, you mean cpu throttling? Yes, that's enabled. Q6600, default settings on a ASUS p5q |
| 01:30.00 | Tenchworks | yeah that's what I meant |
| 01:30.25 | Xuerian | This doesn't seem like the right channel for this (Though we had a OSS discussion earlier) anyone got a better idea? :P |
| 01:31.01 | foxlit | I wouldn't worry about topic appropriateness, though you might get /better/ responses elsewhere. Or you could wake Shirik up. |
| 01:31.13 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:31.45 | foxlit | "Xuerian: Ok, I need some help figuring out why my WoW lags randomly while running. Jitters is more accurate, it's a steady slowdown, accompanied by a noticeable amount of cpu usage by "System". It can be in a perfectly empty area that I've entirely loaded (8gb of ram) or in a full place like Dalaran, neither of which I naturally lag in at all. Any ideas? Suggestions to narrow down the real problem?" |
| 01:31.52 | Shirik | I like how you all make fun of me all the time, but when you have something technical it instantly goes to me :/ |
| 01:32.03 | Tenchworks | lol |
| 01:32.06 | foxlit | Hah! |
| 01:32.23 | Shirik | usage by "system"? That does sound odd tbh |
| 01:32.37 | Shirik | maybe your video card driver is somehow fubared? |
| 01:32.40 | Shirik | like a memory leak or something |
| 01:32.51 | Xuerian | I don't think so, no other games have a similar issue, and video memory stays stable |
| 01:32.52 | foxlit | Walked though most of the common update-this,disable-that stuff. |
| 01:33.12 | Xuerian | took a shot with a plethora of graphs active while it happened, one sec |
| 01:33.48 | Shirik | I mean, the fact that it's showing up in "system" means it's not associated with a process directly |
| 01:34.08 | foxlit | So the question is "How the heck do I find out what Windows is doing on my behalf?" |
| 01:34.25 | Shirik | yeah :/ |
| 01:37.27 | cbreak | system = kernel? |
| 01:37.40 | Balreign | Xuerian, I have the same kind of issue |
| 01:37.40 | cbreak | -> in windows, GUI stuff, buffers, driver memory stuff... |
| 01:37.47 | Balreign | can't find why |
| 01:37.58 | batrick | Ah I found it |
| 01:38.05 | batrick | "Only Horizontal while moving" |
| 01:41.24 | Xuerian | Ah. Well, this is running off a half-year-old WD 640 black sata drive, so I'm skeptical that it's the drive with hardly any I/O activity. -- sorry, had to afk for a minute |
| 01:41.37 | Xuerian | Balreign: What, otherwise fine fps everywhere - even combat - but random lag while moving? |
| 01:41.47 | Xuerian | http://imgur.com/Lpza7 -- nearly everything available |
| 01:42.14 | Xuerian | FPS picks up hugely when I stop moving. I didn't see any new characters or geometry loading in except a little tiny bit of buildings |
| 01:42.32 | Balreign | dunno, I tryed set effect to low but doesn't change anything |
| 01:43.01 | Balreign | I guess it will happen as long as the game needs to create cache |
| 01:43.16 | Balreign | wich is the only reason I can imagine |
| 01:43.54 | foxlit | Out of interest, kill the dynamic shadows. |
| 01:44.18 | cbreak | latest WoW broke vsync |
| 01:44.24 | cbreak | *grumble* |
| 01:44.36 | foxlit | Oh, really? I play with vsync and haven't noticed a thing :/ |
| 01:44.53 | cbreak | my framerate was triple digit often |
| 01:44.58 | cbreak | it should never go over 60 with vsync |
| 01:49.23 | cbreak | maybe they broke the Mac build |
| 01:49.46 | Tenchworks | i thought they improved the mac build |
| 01:49.46 | Dagmar | Well, if you set your monitor's refresh rate to 72Hz you'll can maybe get 72fps |
| 01:50.02 | Dagmar | ...but if you think you need >60fps at _this_ game, you probably just suck. |
| 01:50.05 | Dagmar | high FPS will not help you. |
| 01:50.10 | Tenchworks | or so I saw something realating to improvemments for mac in the patch notes |
| 01:50.28 | Xuerian | foxlit: I haven't gotten it to do it without shadows at all, turning shadows back on to verify that contributes o_0 |
| 01:51.52 | cbreak | My screen is 60 Hz. |
| 01:51.54 | cbreak | I want 60 Hz. |
| 01:51.59 | cbreak | but wow gives me like 110 Hz |
| 01:52.02 | cbreak | despite VSync |
| 01:52.11 | foxlit | /console maxfps 60 |
| 01:52.27 | Xuerian | well now it's just not doing it to spite me. |
| 01:52.29 | cbreak | ... I want it without the tearing please :) |
| 01:52.29 | Xuerian | sighs |
| 01:52.29 | DWSR | On Twins, if you attack the same colour shield on normal, does it do less damage? |
| 01:52.45 | cbreak | you do half damage? |
| 01:52.53 | cbreak | (different color double damage) |
| 01:52.59 | cbreak | so effective damage output 25% I think |
| 01:53.02 | DWSR | cbreak: I thought shields are neutral? |
| 01:53.10 | cbreak | I am not sure if it matters for shields as well |
| 01:53.14 | cbreak | but I just switch anyway |
| 01:53.20 | cbreak | loves blinking around |
| 01:53.54 | cbreak | I thought it applied to shields as well |
| 01:53.58 | cbreak | but I never verfied it |
| 01:54.38 | foxlit | Xuerian: well, as long as it's in a spiteful mood, you'll have no problems :) |
| 01:55.00 | Xuerian | foxlit: Sure, when I give up the chase it'll start again >:O |
| 01:55.25 | foxlit | Just glare at it every so often. |
| 01:56.01 | foxlit | Using some form of antivirus, btw? |
| 01:56.35 | Xuerian | None, atm. |
| 01:56.47 | Xuerian | Past my "let's download everything on the internet" stage and in firm control of the only machines on the network |
| 01:56.50 | foxlit | Hm, so I can't blame that. |
| 01:58.02 | DWSR | I can't install 7 on my computer. |
| 01:58.05 | DWSR | Should I get vista? |
| 01:58.20 | foxlit | You should get... a mac. |
| 01:58.24 | Corrodias | why can't you install it? |
| 01:58.37 | Xuerian | Yeah, why can't you use 7? |
| 01:58.47 | Corrodias | i would posit that vista is better than XP if you have the resources for it and if you don't do audio recording work |
| 01:59.01 | Corrodias | but nothing is better than XP if the latter is true, as far as i can tell from what people tell me |
| 01:59.18 | Xuerian | Corrodias: Custom drivers on any of the three beats out XP natively. |
| 01:59.54 | DWSR | Xuerian: Can't put it on the computer because the install dVD doesn't support my drive. |
| 01:59.56 | Corrodias | i suppose? duh? |
| 02:00.10 | Xuerian | DWSR: Thumb drive? |
| 02:00.14 | DWSR | Won't boot from it. |
| 02:00.21 | Xuerian | DWSR: just stick with xp >_> |
| 02:01.24 | Xuerian | Corrodias: my point was that if you're doing sound work you're using custom drivers :p |
| 02:02.14 | DWSR | Yeah, I'm getting a ton of memory errors in WoW. |
| 02:02.16 | DWSR | I figured it's time to change |
| 02:02.45 | Corrodias | custom drivers might not be sufficient to get around the problem |
| 02:03.08 | Xuerian | DWSR: Then buy a 25$ dvd drive off newegg and install 7 |
| 02:03.09 | Corrodias | i could get you in contact with the guy who has complained about it. you might both enjoy it. |
| 02:03.23 | Corrodias | maybe you could tell him how to get around the problem |
| 02:05.50 | Xuerian | Corrodias: I'm not claiming I'm guaranteed to be right, I'm just using a 8 year old soundblaster and get awesome sound through the kx drivers. Including both a compressor chained to voip for audio ducking, |
| 02:06.17 | Corrodias | well, you know more than i do, and if there's any chance you can help him with it, i'd appreciate it |
| 02:06.36 | Corrodias | it has to do with latency, i think |
| 02:07.15 | DWSR | Xuerian: :o |
| 02:07.17 | DWSR | Xuerian: WTB that |
| 02:07.56 | Xuerian | Corrodias: I'm actually not sure about the latency. I'm sure he's referring to the latency introduced by the mixer system in vista. |
| 02:08.19 | Corrodias | probably, yeah |
| 02:08.22 | Dagmar | There's a guy I do screwdriver work for occasionally (as in, 'when I can't fob it off onto someone else') and from working with him, it's all about latency |
| 02:09.01 | Dagmar | He does studio remastering and so on for a couple of christian and chamber music labels. Serious cakewalk and VST plugin action |
| 02:09.31 | DWSR | oh god Cakewalk. |
| 02:09.34 | Dagmar | He's using XP but literally none of what matters is being handled by the normal XP drivers |
| 02:09.36 | DWSR | >.< |
| 02:09.52 | Xuerian | Then probably best to use xp, unless they can output directly, bypassing most of the windows sound system.. which they probably can |
| 02:10.19 | DWSR | Xuerian: You can, in fact, bypass all of Vista's audio infrastructure. |
| 02:10.25 | Dagmar | XP is just kinda there to wrangle the renderers, keep track of where the disks are, and to operate all the external m-audio gear |
| 02:10.59 | Dagmar | Pretty much all the professional gear uses it's own everything |
| 02:11.03 | cbreak | Window's DRM will bite you in the backside once... |
| 02:11.10 | Xuerian | DWSR: You have a soundblaster of some description? |
| 02:11.14 | cbreak | that apostrophe is wrong. |
| 02:11.17 | Dagmar | DWSR: I despise working on his machine because you click the start button and his screen explodes |
| 02:11.24 | DWSR | Xuerian: No, just saw it. |
| 02:12.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: What do you mean/ |
| 02:12.06 | Xuerian | DWSR: Pick up one on the large supported list and you can use kx to edit the dsp. http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/ |
| 02:12.29 | DWSR | Xuerian: Meh, I'm just using the built in sound card on my computer, I'd rather not pick up an external audio card. |
| 02:13.05 | Dagmar | You kinda want an external audio device if you're doing professional work |
| 02:13.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah. |
| 02:13.23 | DWSR | I know, but I'm not super serious |
| 02:13.25 | Dagmar | SB cards are nice, but they shouldn't be used for more than home stuff |
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| 02:13.33 | DWSR | I have an m-audio connectiv, but *shrug* |
| 02:13.43 | Xuerian | DWSR: This is why: http://imgur.com/QbeK3 |
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| 02:13.45 | DWSR | It's nothing special. |
| 02:13.46 | Beladona | anyone played around with the new texture:GetFileWidth ? |
| 02:13.59 | DWSR | Xuerian: That's hot. |
| 02:14.56 | Xuerian | No one breaks my ears, I don't break anyone else's, other sound is muted when people are talking, music outmix is muted when I talk, quiet voip is boosted |
| 02:15.24 | eadthem | this channal ok for general addon programming questions? |
| 02:15.33 | Legorol | yes |
| 02:15.33 | Xuerian | eadthem: That's the point of the channel. |
| 02:15.47 | Legorol | ~asktoask |
| 02:15.47 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 02:16.03 | Amarande | man, DWSR ... you were right about the conflag nerf being significant |
| 02:16.11 | Amarande | my conflag used to do 8846 on a good day, now it's 6359 |
| 02:16.16 | DWSR | yep |
| 02:16.24 | DWSR | It doesn't change the DPS of Destro. |
| 02:16.25 | eadthem | http://pastebin.com/m507f0dc this is my code using Interface\\Glues\\CharacterCreate\\UI-CharacterCreate-Factions.blp i can get the image to show up in game when i use Interface\\AddOns\\rings\\ring2.blp i get nothing images involved http://final.servegame.com/rings/ring2.png http://final.servegame.com/rings/ring2.blp http://final.servegame.com/rings/ring2.tga |
| 02:16.28 | Xuerian | Amarande: I heard it's because of PVPers bitching about getting two-shot |
| 02:16.28 | DWSR | It just changes the burst. |
| 02:16.35 | Amarande | Xuerian: that's exactly it |
| 02:16.37 | Amarande | effing pvpers |
| 02:16.41 | Amarande | let them go play GW |
| 02:16.55 | DWSR | Xuerian: I dunno how. |
| 02:16.59 | Xuerian | First they take my skelly cat form, then they take my gear, now they're taking my dps |
| 02:17.01 | DWSR | Though, I suspect it has something to do with CB + Conflag. |
| 02:17.05 | Dagmar | You thought nothing would ever come of turning into raid bosses from a few stacks of tenacity? |
| 02:17.07 | Dagmar | Lol |
| 02:17.08 | DWSR | NOM NOM NOM |
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| 02:17.30 | DWSR | Balancing anything around what happens in Winterlag is just asking for trouble. |
| 02:17.56 | Ginji | You're complaining?! My rogue has had it's bandaid skill nerfed to the ground! We started with +15% now it's +10%! |
| 02:17.57 | eadthem | the issue is that any image part of the game works any that are part of my addon fail |
| 02:18.03 | Dagmar | Yeah well, until we rid the game of PvPers it's gonna happen |
| 02:18.23 | Ginji | Assassination rogues are funny |
| 02:18.29 | Amarande | DWSR: sadly, they're probably getting ready for cata :| |
| 02:18.37 | Ginji | I get +17% damage for free |
| 02:18.39 | Amarande | according to the cata notes, the main daily hub will also be cata's version of WG |
| 02:18.48 | Legorol | eadthem: I am not sure on image pathing, but try with a relative path to your image. |
| 02:18.50 | Amarande | which means WAY too much of cata will revolve around pvp |
| 02:19.02 | eadthem | Legorol you mean mana.texture:SetTexture("ring2.blp") |
| 02:19.05 | Legorol | eadthem: ie. if the Lua file you pasteyd is in the same folder as the image, just simply use "ring2.blp" |
| 02:19.08 | Legorol | yes |
| 02:19.10 | Amarande | at least, of bread-n-butter at 85, when your main objective is grinding up gold for supplies and enchants |
| 02:19.11 | Ginji | Amarande: you don't have to play tbh |
| 02:19.15 | DWSR | Legorol: Aren't paths relative to your interface folder? |
| 02:19.15 | eadthem | that fails to |
| 02:19.19 | Legorol | ok |
| 02:19.37 | DWSR | eadthem: Paths in WoW are relative to your interface folder. |
| 02:19.52 | DWSR | those paths should be something like \\Glus\\CharacterCreate\\UI-CharacterCreate-Factions.blp |
| 02:19.54 | DWSR | Glues* |
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| 02:20.23 | Xuerian | additionally, quit wow and start it again if the name has changed or you just added the file |
| 02:20.49 | eadthem | o the Interface\\Glues\\CharacterCreate\\UI-CharacterCreate-Factions.blp" dose work |
| 02:20.57 | eadthem | ive not restarted the game iirc sense makeing the blp |
| 02:20.57 | Beladona | eadthem: is that code exactly what you are using now? You have all the textures commented out |
| 02:21.01 | eadthem | your saying that might be it? |
| 02:21.04 | Beladona | and try without the .blp |
| 02:21.12 | Xuerian | That is your problem, eadthem |
| 02:21.34 | eadthem | the 4 that are commented out are the oens ive been trying ok ile restart the game |
| 02:21.35 | Xuerian | WoW does not access files that didn't exist when the game was started |
| 02:22.05 | Beladona | you have an error on line 3 |
| 02:22.23 | Beladona | if you plan to use that I mean |
| 02:22.29 | eadthem | ? line 3 is commmeted out |
| 02:22.44 | DWSR | lolwtf? |
| 02:22.45 | Beladona | you just said you were trying the ones that are commented out |
| 02:22.51 | eadthem | o |
| 02:22.55 | DWSR | the Client downloader won't let me download it if I already have the game installed? |
| 02:22.55 | Xuerian | AUGH DAMMIT I KNEW IT WOULD WAIT TILL I WAS LEAST SUSPECTING IT! |
| 02:22.59 | Xuerian | stabs lag in the face. |
| 02:23.00 | eadthem | sorry lol thougt you ment the whole file |
| 02:23.03 | Legorol | Beladona: he was referring to the couple of examples of SetTexture that are commented out at the bottom |
| 02:23.54 | Beladona | Legorol: you played with the texture:GetFileWidth method yet? |
| 02:24.35 | DWSR | Anyone have a link to the installer files? |
| 02:26.05 | eadthem | omg all this time wasted because the game needed to be restarted thanks |
| 02:26.22 | Xuerian | eadthem: everyone does it once :p |
| 02:28.16 | eadthem | btw mana.texture:SetTexture("Interface\\AddOns\\rings\\ring2") mana.texture:SetTexture([[Interface\AddOns\rings\ring2.blp]]) mana.texture:SetTexture("Interface\\AddOns\\rings\\ring2.blp") works and mana.texture:SetTexture("ring2.blp") mana.texture:SetTexture("AddOns\\rings\\ring2.blp") dose not |
| 02:28.47 | Amarande | Xuerian: Target not in line of sight |
| 02:28.54 | eadthem | and no there will be alot less whom make this mistake im editing the wiki page for settexture and texture now |
| 02:29.05 | Xuerian | Amarande: CURSE YOU RUNCIBLE SPOON! |
| 02:29.30 | Xuerian | Not a DD reader? :( |
| 02:32.10 | Xuerian | Amarande: www.dominic-deegan.com / http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DominicDeegan |
| 02:35.40 | Osagasu | dominic deegan is one of the best story based webcomics |
| 02:35.52 | Xuerian | Truth. No one does a arc like mookie |
| 02:36.12 | cbreak | I like Dresden Codak. |
| 02:36.15 | Xuerian | Well, http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ comes really close |
| 02:36.39 | Xuerian | It's a awesome comic in it's own respect. The author's intellectual insights to some topics he covers in the comic are actually great. |
| 02:37.32 | Osagasu | CAD is extremely overrated, but worth the 15 seconds it takes to pull up |
| 02:37.45 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:37.48 | Amarande | I think I need some alcohol |
| 02:37.53 | Amarande | dammit, why don't they make sulfuron slammer IRL |
| 02:38.23 | Osagasu | heh |
| 02:38.36 | Osagasu | I bet we could make it |
| 02:38.50 | Tenchworks | I can't even imagine how they'd go about marketing that |
| 02:38.50 | Osagasu | I bet it would include copious amounts of habanero tobaso sauce |
| 02:38.57 | Osagasu | **tobasco |
| 02:39.21 | Osagasu | You don't market it. A fan makes it |
| 02:39.32 | cbreak | http://dresdencodak.com/archives/ http://www.erfworld.com/ http://www.sinfest.net/ http://www.megatokyo.com/ |
| 02:39.42 | Osagasu | As long as it includes gin and a coffee cup too, it would be epic. |
| 02:39.48 | Osagasu | Sinfest is -epic- |
| 02:40.01 | Osagasu | megatokyo used to be epic, but now it feels like a soap opera with zombies |
| 02:40.20 | Xuerian | ^ |
| 02:40.28 | Xuerian | Largo leaving took the air out of the sails |
| 02:40.37 | Xuerian | Now piro floats along on emo sketches =| |
| 02:40.38 | cbreak | nothing bad about zombies. |
| 02:40.41 | Osagasu | It had just the right amount of story and comedy |
| 02:40.52 | Osagasu | Now the comedy is just... empty |
| 02:40.55 | Osagasu | forced |
| 02:41.45 | Xuerian | cbreak: Liking dresdencodak after the first 3 panels. Sinfest is awesome, of course. |
| 02:42.13 | Osagasu | Errant Story... I want to like it |
| 02:42.15 | Osagasu | I do |
| 02:42.24 | Osagasu | But something keeps me from doing so whenever I look at it |
| 02:42.27 | Xuerian | I read the first... half or so. It was good. Then i stopped reading it |
| 02:42.29 | Osagasu | I can't put my finger on it |
| 02:42.45 | Xuerian | http://goblins.keenspot.com/ is awesome as well. |
| 02:42.58 | Osagasu | http://poisonedminds.com/ |
| 02:43.03 | Osagasu | I love SSDD. |
| 02:43.44 | Xuerian | Used to read SSDD, but didn't keep up with it =\ |
| 02:44.02 | Osagasu | SSDD doesn't have quite as much comedy as I'd like in the strip itself |
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| 02:44.15 | Osagasu | But the writer is snarky and he amuses me |
| 02:44.17 | PulsarFl | hi |
| 02:44.23 | Osagasu | AFK a sec |
| 02:44.26 | Osagasu | also, sup |
| 02:44.27 | PulsarFl | could someone do a scroll of reserruction for me? |
| 02:44.45 | cbreak | http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots.html http://www.shakes-und-fidget.de/world-of-shakes-fidget/ http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/ http://simulatedcomicproduct.com/ |
| 02:44.55 | Xuerian | Osagasu: I'd suggest you read Shlock. The art starts out funky, but after about 5 art guys, the same guy who does LFG does it |
| 02:45.00 | Xuerian | er. no.. |
| 02:45.06 | Xuerian | That's a different one. |
| 02:45.16 | AbsolutRayne | Im starting to think Needle Encrusted Scorpion doesnt exist. |
| 02:45.39 | Xuerian | Osagasu: That's Least I could Do. Shlock has good story and writing, however |
| 02:45.58 | Thunder_Child | AbsolutRayne: it does, but it also makes one wonder why one would get...one |
| 02:46.17 | AbsolutRayne | Because I have Grim Toll, still, going into ICC25 |
| 02:46.18 | AbsolutRayne | Thats why. |
| 02:46.37 | Thunder_Child | AbsolutRayne: but it procs off of crits... |
| 02:47.10 | AbsolutRayne | And im a Rogue |
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| 02:47.27 | AbsolutRayne | I run 52% Crit Raid buffed, +10% on Evis through Glyph. |
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| 02:48.21 | cbreak | not updated in ages, but http://ea.snafu-comics.com/index.php?comic_id=0 |
| 02:48.42 | eadthem | ok i put the note NOTE The game will not find image files that did not exist when it was started, you may need to restart the game for the texture to appear. in several places on wowwiki and wowprogramming |
| 02:49.03 | cbreak | wasn't that well known? |
| 02:49.13 | cbreak | WoW indexes files on start time |
| 02:49.14 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: nice @ screenshot |
| 02:49.17 | eadthem | i just spent 3 hours trying to get a texture to work |
| 02:49.18 | cbreak | ToC changes are the same |
| 02:49.25 | eadthem | toc i knew about |
| 02:50.09 | eadthem | and well known is good unless your just starting to program wow addons |
| 02:50.15 | eadthem | then well known dosnt do ya crap |
| 02:51.08 | cbreak | I was more annoyed by having to use \\ instead of / |
| 02:51.23 | eadthem | o well use mana.texture:SetTexture([[Interface\AddOns\rings\ring2.blp]]) instead |
| 02:51.25 | Xuerian | cbreak: Use [[-- |
| 02:51.30 | Xuerian | ... |
| 02:51.30 | Xuerian | that |
| 02:51.38 | cbreak | I don't like \ |
| 02:51.48 | cbreak | so that's even worse |
| 02:51.48 | eadthem | cus your a windows user |
| 02:51.57 | cbreak | no, because I am not |
| 02:51.59 | cbreak | they are used to it |
| 02:52.29 | eadthem | o lol im so use to useing \ and or / in the right places i forget witch one im using |
| 02:52.45 | cbreak | I use \ for two things: |
| 02:52.47 | eadthem | id assume / will work as well for that |
| 02:52.52 | cbreak | LaTeX and excape sequences |
| 02:53.22 | eadthem | i use / for 3 things web development and the web nix systems dos switches |
| 02:53.32 | cbreak | so seeing a \n in a string like \Interface\AddOns\npcscanthingie feels wrong |
| 02:53.54 | cbreak | on the other hand, / is the path separator in URIs |
| 02:55.01 | Dagmar | It's because Bill Gates thought no one would know he was cloning someone else's operating system if he used \ instead of / |
| 02:55.20 | eadthem | accualy he bought that operating system for 25K |
| 02:55.24 | Xuerian | Been said repeatedly, but the person that chose \ instead regrets it now, and I wish they'd have just used / |
| 02:55.24 | cbreak | Didn't the guys who he bought DOS from use it already? |
| 02:55.32 | cbreak | Digital Research or something |
| 02:55.36 | eadthem | ya |
| 02:56.22 | eadthem | all the digital reserch dude needed was a good sute and a interview with ibm |
| 02:56.40 | eadthem | and we would be running DROS |
| 02:56.46 | eadthem | well some of us |
| 02:57.16 | eadthem | or perhaps all of us depending on how well it worked |
| 03:04.33 | cbreak | they'd just be like microsoft |
| 03:04.39 | eadthem | maby |
| 03:04.45 | cbreak | IBM would still try to push linux to be a bit less dependent |
| 03:05.00 | cbreak | Apple would still push their Mac OS X to have more control over the platform experience |
| 03:05.22 | eadthem | how did we get on this topi |
| 03:05.23 | cbreak | Linus would still have played around with his Unix clone for cheap off-the-shelf hardware |
| 03:05.31 | eadthem | lol started with a \ mark |
| 03:05.59 | cbreak | The old Mac OS used : as path separator. |
| 03:06.14 | eadthem | : or | |
| 03:06.46 | cbreak | But no one knew, since end users didn't use paths |
| 03:06.46 | theorbtwo | It also had odd syntax for the root directory. |
| 03:07.05 | cbreak | I don't think it had a root directory |
| 03:07.06 | theorbtwo | Paths were absolute if they began with :, rather then other other way around on dos & unix. |
| 03:07.25 | cbreak | Unix paths are absolut if they begin with / |
| 03:08.16 | Shirik | wooooo |
| 03:08.19 | Shirik | 10 man insanity |
| 03:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, yes we know you are |
| 03:08.49 | Legorol | grats Shirik, well done |
| 03:09.34 | Shirik | that was insane |
| 03:09.38 | Shirik | no pun intended |
| 03:09.44 | Shirik | That fight is not that hard |
| 03:09.49 | Shirik | but still |
| 03:10.19 | Shirik | wheneverything's "on the line" seems so much harder |
| 03:10.23 | theorbtwo | cbreak: Yeah. Unix paths are absolute if they begin with /. Mac classic paths were absolute if they *don't* begin with :. |
| 03:10.53 | cbreak | Makes sense |
| 03:11.14 | cbreak | if the first thing is a name, it's the name of the hard disk |
| 03:16.27 | Thunder_Child | wow... http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50198#comments look at the bottom half |
| 03:18.45 | eadthem | mmm so wowprogramming accepts user input and prints and sells a book with it |
| 03:19.01 | cbreak | so does the wikimedia foundation |
| 03:19.11 | eadthem | ya but they dont sell a book with it |
| 03:19.18 | cbreak | actually they do |
| 03:19.20 | cbreak | and CDs |
| 03:19.26 | ScytheBlade1 | http://thechive.com/2009/12/11/kids-got-an-active-imagination-i-like-it/coloring-book-kid-1/ |
| 03:19.35 | cbreak | there was an E-Book reader with Wikipedia on it once |
| 03:19.48 | eadthem | amazons ebook reader |
| 03:19.52 | eadthem | and that part is free |
| 03:20.01 | cbreak | no, it was something custom |
| 03:20.06 | cbreak | was a /. article |
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| 03:28.34 | Shirik | best part, Legorol |
| 03:28.43 | Shirik | that was my first heroic raid with this guild |
| 03:28.47 | Shirik | I win |
| 03:38.00 | eadthem | is it possable to make a texture right justafy inside its frame |
| 03:38.13 | cbreak | anchor it appropriately |
| 03:38.28 | eadthem | so setpoint |
| 03:38.44 | cbreak | I think so, yes. Don't remember the details |
| 03:39.13 | cbreak | you might have to clear all previous points. |
| 03:39.27 | cbreak | and maybe you have to set the width |
| 03:42.35 | eadthem | o so instead of setAllPoints do setPoint |
| 03:54.45 | AbsolutRayne | Screw this lag. |
| 03:54.47 | AbsolutRayne | Seriously. |
| 03:59.02 | batrick | man i'm so glad i got my battered hilt before they nerfed the drop rate |
| 03:59.22 | batrick | i saw two drop over the course of the 3 instances i went to first day |
| 03:59.25 | Dagmar | Well, they had to do something |
| 03:59.47 | Dagmar | People getting Quel'Delar were like the new melting ice stone on my server |
| 04:00.04 | batrick | well i really needed mine, i was using a shitty level 70 weapon still because blizzard is cruel and offers no intro pvp weapons |
| 04:00.37 | Dagmar | You're expected to bring your own sense of unfair play and entitlement |
| 04:01.00 | batrick | personally i think it should be fairly high drop rate |
| 04:01.07 | batrick | so others like me who abhor pve can get it easily |
| 04:01.26 | batrick | it's really fucking lame blizzard requires pvp people to pve but not vice versa |
| 04:02.19 | Dagmar | Why would you need Quel'Delar if you're not doing PvE |
| 04:02.26 | Dagmar | *innocentlook* |
| 04:02.41 | batrick | it's an excellent pvp weapon |
| 04:02.49 | batrick | it has no stat we don't need |
| 04:02.53 | Dagmar | Really? With no PvP stats on it? |
| 04:03.07 | batrick | from a mage perspective |
| 04:03.11 | batrick | i don't know about the other versions |
| 04:03.21 | Dagmar | Is there a version with resilience on it? |
| 04:03.23 | eadthem | "it's really fucking lame blizzard requires pvp people to pve but not vice versa" you work for SOE by chance ? |
| 04:03.33 | batrick | i can get resilience from other sources |
| 04:03.40 | Dagmar | It's not a PvP weapon |
| 04:03.51 | Dagmar | You want PvE gear, then raid man |
| 04:04.00 | batrick | eadthem: no, I don't work for any game company |
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| 04:04.12 | batrick | god forbid someone shares the same view with some other company |
| 04:04.34 | batrick | Dagmar: a pvp weapon does not require resilience to be a pvp weapon |
| 04:04.52 | Dagmar | That's odd. Armor seems to require it. |
| 04:05.14 | batrick | no |
| 04:05.19 | Dagmar | Why don't you just take some of those WG badges and buy yerself a nice axe with resilience on it and call it a day |
| 04:05.20 | batrick | a set of gear requires resilience |
| 04:05.25 | batrick | a piece of gear does not |
| 04:05.34 | Dagmar | Then it's not a PvP weapon. |
| 04:05.34 | batrick | the sum of the parts matters |
| 04:05.43 | batrick | that's not a logical conclusion |
| 04:05.46 | Dagmar | ...and you'll be able to PvP just fine without it |
| 04:05.55 | batrick | the sum of the parts requires resilience, not each individual part |
| 04:06.17 | batrick | in any case, the point was I can't get a fucking pvp weapon |
| 04:06.20 | batrick | so why are you arguing with me |
| 04:07.00 | Dagmar | Because you're stomping your foot about it having something to do with them not giving it to you because you won't PvE |
| 04:07.05 | Dagmar | It's a PvE reward. Deal with it. |
| 04:07.21 | batrick | i never said it wasn't a pve reward?? |
| 04:07.22 | Dagmar | You don't see the PvE'rs qq'ing this much becasue they can't buy arena gear with crafting materials. |
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| 04:10.01 | batrick | There is no introductory pvp weapon. Blizzard purposefully disallows players from obtaining them. I call it lame PVPers are required to do PVE in order to obtain introductory PVP gear. Feel free to disagree with that. |
| 04:10.15 | Dagmar | Frankly I'm somewhat unamused that some people acted like I'd asked to bugger their mum at the idea that a hunter might want to try to get it |
| 04:10.18 | batrick | Your counter arguments make no fucking sense. |
| 04:10.30 | Dagmar | Your _argument_ makes no sense, so it's parity. |
| 04:11.07 | batrick | Well look at the other side of the coin, PVE people do not need to do PVP to obtain their introductory PVE weapons. |
| 04:11.19 | batrick | They are screwing over a portion of their player base. |
| 04:12.07 | Dagmar | How is thet the other side of any coin at all |
| 04:12.13 | batrick | jesus christ |
| 04:12.17 | batrick | i'm done arguing with you. |
| 04:13.05 | Dagmar | You can go into battlegrounds and grind away and get PvP weapons just fine without ever grouping for PvE |
| 04:13.46 | batrick | Link the weapon that can be obtained with just honor. |
| 04:14.10 | Dagmar | Show me the resilience on Quel'Delar |
| 04:14.17 | Dagmar | It's not a PvP weapon |
| 04:14.23 | batrick | You are purposefully being fucking dense. |
| 04:14.51 | Dagmar | No, I'm not. You're purposefully arguing that _everything_ in the game is PvP just because you say so |
| 04:14.51 | batrick | You state that there are obtainable PVP weapons with honor and refuse to prove it. |
| 04:15.11 | Dagmar | QD isn't a PvP weapon. You want it? Go raid. |
| 04:15.19 | Dagmar | Just like everyone else. |
| 04:15.37 | Dagmar | I can assure you there's plenty of PvE people who stand no chance of getting it because they don't do 10-mans |
| 04:16.06 | batrick | You lack any knowledge concerning what you are talking about. QD is obtained via heroic 5 mans. |
| 04:16.26 | batrick | You do a fine job of blabbing your mouth without knowing what you are talking about. |
| 04:16.28 | Dagmar | As far as I was hearing the hilts were droping in ICC |
| 04:16.40 | Dagmar | Either way, it's still not a PvP weapon. |
| 04:16.43 | Stanzilla | it's not a PvP weapon if you define PvP weapons as an item with resilence. But it is a good weapon for PvP :) |
| 04:17.03 | batrick | Dagmar thinks his definition of a pvp weapon is the only on.e |
| 04:17.06 | Dagmar | god forbid anyone ever have to actually play with four other people without killing them. |
| 04:17.19 | Dagmar | The world would end, surely. |
| 04:17.20 | batrick | the binary separator for the two is the all-mighty stat resilience. |
| 04:17.42 | Dagmar | So why are you bitching about the weapon then |
| 04:18.43 | Amarande | As far as I'm aware, *all* PvP weapons require arena rating, not just honor. |
| 04:18.52 | Amarande | So if you only play battlegrounds like a lot of PvP players do, you're OOL. |
| 04:19.15 | Amarande | From what I see on Wowhead, they PLANNED to have low tier no-rating PvP weapons like they did for armor |
| 04:19.26 | Amarande | but for some reason known only to the Sadism Department at Blizzard, they took those out. :P |
| 04:19.29 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure there's vendors you could buy better than your "shitty level 70 weapon |
| 04:19.35 | Dagmar | " from |
| 04:19.50 | batrick | Well, you're wrong. |
| 04:20.22 | Dagmar | Being that I play a class that has gotten it's stat stick from vendors during both the last expensions, I doubt it |
| 04:20.34 | Amarande | 700 still requires quite a lot of time invested into arenas, especially if you're a BG PvP'er with no experience at arenas. |
| 04:20.40 | batrick | THEN LINK THE FUCKING WEAPON I CAN BUY OR SHUT THE FUCK UP. |
| 04:20.51 | Amarande | 1800 requires you be a rather dedicated arena player, period |
| 04:21.00 | Dagmar | Search the web yourself. You're a big boy now. |
| 04:21.11 | Amarande | and 2200 ... well, far as I can tell, 2200 basically means you're good enough that people might lay bets on you in Vegas for the annual Arena Tournament, no? |
| 04:21.13 | batrick | No, you are responsible to cite your source. |
| 04:21.21 | batrick | That's how the real world works Dagmar. |
| 04:21.22 | Dagmar | batrick: You first. |
| 04:21.43 | Dagmar | You foolishly assume that I give a flying flip if you stay wrong forever. |
| 04:21.45 | eadthem | how did this get started anyhow? |
| 04:21.51 | Amarande | And that's why I find the way they do top tier arena weapons totally annoying. |
| 04:22.00 | Seerah | I almost said something, but held my tongue. I'm going to say it now. Dagmar, you like to argue just to argue. Shut it or debate like a big boy and start being nice. batrick, take a few deep breaths and calm down. |
| 04:22.04 | Dagmar | It's no one's responsibility to _force_ knowledge into other people's heads. |
| 04:22.07 | Amarande | Because I compare it to how top tier PvE weapons are obtained and it just seems stupidly hard by comparison. |
| 04:22.35 | Amarande | To get top tier PvE weapons, you just have to master the fights, get geared, keep current on content and have a little luck on the RNG. |
| 04:22.44 | Amarande | To get top tier PvP weapons, you basically have to be World Championship material. |
| 04:22.52 | Dagmar | ...and have a schedule that allows you to raid regularly. |
| 04:23.01 | Wobin | aweeesome... http://screencast.com/t/N2VmZTlkNzgt |
| 04:23.16 | Wobin | =( |
| 04:23.32 | Amarande | Basically, a PvE equivalent to how PvP is handled, would be like saying top tier PvE weapons should be exclusive guild perks for members of guilds with Realm Firsts or redeemed by a token you'd have to get TTI to get, or such. |
| 04:24.29 | Dagmar | Amarande: So which top-tier weapon are you rocking, Amarande? |
| 04:24.42 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm between mains right now, so I don't really have one. :) |
| 04:24.51 | Amarande | I've kinda benched the warlock unless I need gold or ore |
| 04:25.06 | Amarande | and none of my others are 80 yet |
| 04:25.08 | Arrowmaster | i think PvP is a little easier than that, or it used to, i thought my friend might have gotten upto 2200 on his rogue during TBC |
| 04:25.21 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: that was also when teams started at 1500, though |
| 04:25.31 | Arrowmaster | they dont start at 1500 now? |
| 04:25.36 | Amarande | Nope. Zero. |
| 04:25.42 | Amarande | Which means if I understand Elo correctly (which I probably do, as an experienced chess player) |
| 04:25.43 | Arrowmaster | wtf? |
| 04:25.52 | Amarande | every time a new team enters an existing arena season, they DRAIN points out of other teams. |
| 04:25.58 | Amarande | which makes getting 2200 even harder. |
| 04:26.50 | Amarande | You know, they should take the personal rating thing a step further and make it the sole measure for arena item requirements, and forget about the team rating thing entirely |
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| 04:27.36 | Dagmar | It's a sorting mechanism, man. It's not a cumulative score. |
| 04:27.50 | Amarande | Dagmar: consider this, though |
| 04:28.01 | Amarande | a raiding guild can have subs, alternates, etc., doesn't have to use the same 10 and 25 every time |
| 04:28.15 | Amarande | if I understand how the team/personal dual requirement thing works, it basically makes you use the same 3 or 5 every time |
| 04:28.16 | Dagmar | It probably won't be anything I haven't already heard in spades from the chess grandmasters at the coffee house |
| 04:28.52 | Amarande | because if you use subs in an arena team, you'll throw team and personal ratings out of sync, and just make more effort for you to hit both requirements at once |
| 04:29.21 | Amarande | Dagmar: for a rating to increase, someone else's always decreases, though. |
| 04:29.32 | Amarande | there's basically a concept of the 'pool of points' |
| 04:29.35 | Dagmar | Yes. It's a ranking mechanism. |
| 04:29.51 | Dagmar | It's not a cumulative score. |
| 04:30.07 | Amarande | the *average* rating of the pool of points, basically, is the biggest determinant of how high someone can reasonably go within that pool of points |
| 04:30.13 | Amarande | now, you add new teams in at 0 now instead of 1500 |
| 04:30.20 | Amarande | that means that now every new team invariably depresses the average |
| 04:30.33 | Amarande | making it, at length, harder to achieve high end scores as high as before |
| 04:30.40 | Dagmar | Yes, if someone who isn't as good joins a team you _could_ claim it dilutes the teams score, but it would be more accurate to say that the teams rating no longer accurately reflects their proper place in the lists. |
| 04:30.50 | Amarande | the effect can easily be seen among, for instance, small-town chessplayers. |
| 04:31.09 | Amarande | no matter how much of an expert you are, if you don't have the opportunity to travel significantly often to play in big tournaments with higher rated players |
| 04:31.11 | batrick | Amarande: In my experience, fewer points are taken away than are given. |
| 04:31.18 | Amarande | your rating will reach a point where it basically can climb no further |
| 04:31.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: No. |
| 04:31.45 | Dagmar | Unless you play people who are ranked higher there is no way to show that you are actually better than them. |
| 04:32.06 | Dagmar | You have to beat people who are better than you and do so consitently. |
| 04:32.12 | batrick | Amarande: Let's stop right there, I don't think WoW's rating system mimics USCF rating system any more. |
| 04:32.13 | Dagmar | s/better/"better"/; |
| 04:32.43 | Dezzimal | whats the proper way to do a conditional where the value you want to compare could possibly nil, or a number? |
| 04:32.45 | batrick | Has Blizzard ever stated anywhere how it works? |
| 04:32.52 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 04:32.54 | Dezzimal | be nil* |
| 04:33.07 | batrick | Dezzimal: if value != 0 or value then |
| 04:33.11 | Dagmar | If they did there would be epic levels of screaming about how unfair it all is. |
| 04:33.31 | batrick | yes because there's not epic levels of screaming now |
| 04:33.42 | Dagmar | Yeah, but at least it's unfocused |
| 04:33.43 | Dezzimal | so, if value would return false if it was nil? |
| 04:34.04 | kdtresh | i would do if var then <stuff> else <stuff> end |
| 04:34.05 | batrick | Dezzimal: I'm assuming you want 0 to be false |
| 04:34.18 | kdtresh | if you don't care what happens when it's nil, you can lose the else |
| 04:34.39 | kdtresh | stuff being your comparisons |
| 04:34.48 | Dezzimal | basically I need to do something when the value is higher than 6000, or is nil |
| 04:34.48 | batrick | Dezzimal: I wrote it wrongly, it is "if value ~= 0 and value" |
| 04:34.52 | Amarande | All Elo systems are based on Rn=Ro+K(W-We). That's what makes them Elo systems. |
| 04:35.03 | Dezzimal | nil needs to return true |
| 04:35.15 | Dezzimal | if not |
| 04:35.17 | Dezzimal | is valid? |
| 04:35.20 | Dezzimal | if not value |
| 04:35.25 | batrick | Dezzimal: if (tonumber(value) or 0) > 6000 then |
| 04:35.40 | Dagmar | Ooo that's nice and compcat |
| 04:35.45 | Dezzimal | ah |
| 04:35.46 | Dagmar | s/cat/act/; |
| 04:35.58 | batrick | well, if you want that to run with the value is nil, you can add a condition for that as well |
| 04:36.07 | Dezzimal | my dirty hack worked too :/ |
| 04:36.12 | batrick | I think you requirements should be a little clearer |
| 04:36.18 | Dezzimal | if value == nil |
| 04:36.22 | Dezzimal | then do my stuff |
| 04:36.26 | Dezzimal | value = 0 |
| 04:36.28 | Dezzimal | elseif |
| 04:36.30 | Dezzimal | lol :/ |
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| 04:36.40 | batrick | what I gave you works fine |
| 04:36.44 | batrick | for what I think you want |
| 04:36.56 | Dezzimal | yeah I'll put that in |
| 04:37.17 | batrick | what my code says is: if the value is a number and greater than 6000, then run |
| 04:38.27 | Dezzimal | are there any sandbox type addons that I can use for ingame testing? |
| 04:38.40 | Dezzimal | as opposed to writing code in the chat edit box? |
| 04:39.10 | kdtresh | you can edit code in an editor, just save it and reload ui and it's live |
| 04:39.28 | eadthem | but restart the game if your adding files |
| 04:39.33 | kdtresh | as long as the filenames aren't changed, yes |
| 04:39.43 | eadthem | 3 hours lost due to that tonight |
| 04:40.16 | kdtresh | ouch |
| 04:40.51 | Dezzimal | yeah reloading UI works fine but my addon is scanning the AH and saving a dataset |
| 04:41.05 | Dezzimal | I suppose I could just make that data set go to SV and reload it on login |
| 04:41.28 | eadthem | accualy you know its prob more like 8 hours because i have a suspicion the XML attempt would of worked had i reloaded the client |
| 04:42.26 | Yssaril | Dezzimal: why not simply do "if value then" ? |
| 04:42.52 | Dezzimal | because I want nil to be an instance where I get true |
| 04:43.20 | Yssaril | Dezzimal: if not value then :P |
| 04:43.25 | batrick | Dezzimal: What I do is edit the file in an editor alongside WoW, save changes, then do /reloadui in WoW (/reloadui is added to the slashcommands in a custom addon of mine). |
| 04:43.34 | Yssaril | though i am not sure which is faster |
| 04:43.37 | batrick | Of course, that's not as easy if you don't have two screens :) |
| 04:43.47 | Dezzimal | yea thats what I keep doing batrick |
| 04:44.01 | eadthem | if(input == nil)return true;return false; |
| 04:44.11 | batrick | well there is really no other way if you want to actually save your changes to the code |
| 04:44.19 | eadthem | srry my sudocode is c/c++ |
| 04:44.45 | batrick | there may be some very exotic solutions out there like saving your addon code to a string and then some editor in WoW allows you to change it and execute it |
| 04:45.01 | batrick | then you could finally save the buffer manually to a file |
| 04:45.08 | batrick | but to me that seems like more work |
| 04:45.09 | Dagmar | Yeah I was just crawling around a few sites and couldn't find something like that |
| 04:45.20 | eadthem | presumiably it would have every possable function reimplmented to work off a textparser |
| 04:45.25 | batrick | especially since the editor in wow would be too basic |
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| 04:46.48 | Thunder_Child | "Preschool Floater-PT" is a horrible title for a job |
| 05:00.10 | Yssaril | is there a way to record a normal logoff vs a DC via the SV file? |
| 05:05.16 | Arrowmaster | maybe if you use PLAYER_LOGOUT and hook all the logout functions |
| 05:05.42 | Arrowmaster | and ReloadUI() |
| 05:06.00 | Arrowmaster | but theres still /console reload(ui?) that you cant hook |
| 05:06.27 | Yssaril | hmm |
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| 05:07.34 | DWSR | Anyone in here have a suggestion on drivers for an nvidia 9800GTX? |
| 05:07.40 | DWSR | I'm thinking something like the Catalyst drivers. |
| 05:07.44 | DWSR | only for ATI |
| 05:08.14 | kdtresh | i think they've pretty much only got one main driver package |
| 05:08.17 | kdtresh | just like ati's catalyst |
| 05:08.27 | kdtresh | for their whole geforce line |
| 05:08.51 | kdtresh | forceware maybe? |
| 05:08.58 | DWSR | I have no idea, I'm just wanting tweaked drivers. |
| 05:09.15 | Corrodias | tweaked? there are a few popular groups, i don't remember what they are |
| 05:09.43 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster: hooking ConsoleExec(msg) should take care of that i think |
| 05:10.19 | Nechckn | DWSR looked back a bit but did not see where your discussion started... ich would be .2 for runescrolls)...it'd probably be fairly easy, and a great way to learn! |
| 05:10.20 | Nechckn | [22:45] <MattBnr> ive tried to "learn" before and ended up |
| 05:10.36 | Nechckn | woops mt |
| 05:10.40 | DWSR | No kidding |
| 05:10.42 | DWSR | :P |
| 05:10.46 | Nechckn | bad paste |
| 05:11.09 | Nechckn | anywhoo... http://tweakforce.com has some amazing goodies for ATI and nVidia |
| 05:11.46 | Nechckn | (or were you talking about that already?) |
| 05:13.03 | DWSR | Nechckn: Not really. |
| 05:17.26 | Nechckn | If you select downloads from the menubox on the left, you can then go to either ATI or nVidia drivers |
| 05:19.02 | Dagmar | I'm assuming that's useful to laptop users |
| 05:19.06 | Nechckn | Have found some amazing ones there, but have not toyed with one for that specific card. Try a couple of the most recent and see which offer you the best result. |
| 05:19.19 | Nechckn | Extremely, Dagmar |
| 05:20.10 | Dagmar | I thought they were pimping actual betas or something and then I saw the version number |
| 05:20.42 | Nechckn | They used to have some inside source(s) but not sure at present |
| 05:20.45 | Dagmar | I can definitely see some utility in not having to fist the non-mobile drivers into a laptop |
| 05:21.09 | Dagmar | ...and yes I dropped half that word |
| 05:21.34 | Nechckn | ;-) |
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| 05:28.49 | Arrowmaster | Yssaril: it would have to be a secure hook, and you would have to figure out the order that things happen in |
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| 05:40.31 | Semick | hey guys, I have a question. I want to have a <onEvent function="listen"/> then a listen(self, event, ...) in my lua to handle this stuff |
| 05:40.39 | Semick | how do I get it to actually register an event in the lua function? |
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| 05:57.08 | A-KO | http://houseofkittyblog.com/2009/04/23/hello-kitty-villa-in-taipei/ < what the fuck |
| 05:59.15 | Dagmar | Dude there's people who are legally considered to be an adult playing with full-sized "girlfriend" dolls over there in public parks. |
| 05:59.27 | Dagmar | Is it any *wonder* they have negative population growth. |
| 06:00.11 | Dagmar | I was saddened to hear that a male owns that place. |
| 06:00.17 | Shirik | omfg |
| 06:00.33 | Shirik | I had 18 google wave invites, ok? I finally found a group of people that wanted them so I'm like "yes, I can finally get rid of these invites!!!" |
| 06:00.43 | Shirik | A few minutes later they say "hey thx!" and I go back to wave for a second |
| 06:00.46 | Shirik | now I have 32 invites |
| 06:01.05 | A-KO | sigh |
| 06:01.09 | A-KO | I think my video card is having trouble |
| 06:01.13 | A-KO | might need to try and reseat it |
| 06:01.25 | A-KO | Aero just shut off |
| 06:02.11 | Hirsute | Shirik: Heh. Karma at it's finest |
| 06:02.24 | A-KO | oh nm, winsat is running |
| 06:02.25 | A-KO | sigh |
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| 06:21.25 | Semick | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.29 | Semick | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.00 | Semick | Hey, I want to have a <onEvent function="listen"> then a listen(self, event, ...) in my lua code |
| 06:22.21 | Semick | great, MiRC freezes up and I double type |
| 06:22.51 | Semick | anyone know how to get it to register events properly? |
| 06:23.14 | Arrowmaster | !api registerevent |
| 06:23.14 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'registerevent': Frame:RegisterEvent, Frame:UnregisterEvent |
| 06:23.26 | Arrowmaster | !api frame:registerevent |
| 06:23.27 | lua_bot | Frame:RegisterEvent: Registers the frame for an [[docs/events|event]] (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/RegisterEvent) |
| 06:23.28 | Semick | that doesn't help me |
| 06:23.34 | Arrowmaster | yes it does |
| 06:23.34 | Semick | I've been looking at the wow wiki stuff |
| 06:23.40 | Arrowmaster | thats not wowwiki |
| 06:25.50 | AbsolutRayne | Quick, where do I go to level as Horde in the early 40s? |
| 06:25.54 | AbsolutRayne | minus stv |
| 06:26.19 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Arathi |
| 06:26.20 | eadthem | stormwind we will take "good" care of you |
| 06:26.42 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Alternatively, Tanaris. |
| 06:28.48 | DWSR | Does anyone here use WoW in conjunction with Steam's overlay? |
| 06:29.14 | eadthem | didnt know you could |
| 06:30.01 | DWSR | You can use any game in conjunction with Steam's overlay. |
| 06:30.08 | DWSR | You just launch the game through Steam, and it will overlay. |
| 06:30.38 | eadthem | so you give steam the exe path |
| 06:30.42 | DWSR | yes |
| 06:32.13 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, I officially hate you for teaching me about HDRs |
| 06:32.27 | Shirik | I have been working on this HDR for about 8 hours now because I can't get it right, but I know the picture could be awesome |
| 06:32.44 | DWSR | Shirik: HDR = ? HD render? |
| 06:32.51 | Shirik | high dynamic range |
| 06:32.54 | DWSR | ah |
| 06:32.58 | DWSR | that was my secon option |
| 06:33.03 | DWSR | second* |
| 06:33.18 | DWSR | Since you were talking about pictures, I figured renders would be more appropriate. |
| 06:33.48 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_dynamic_range_imaging |
| 06:34.10 | DWSR | Shirik: I wanna see what you've done already |
| 06:34.17 | Shirik | no you don't |
| 06:34.22 | Shirik | the worst part is, it's not even a full image |
| 06:34.26 | Shirik | it's 1 of 2 in a panorama |
| 06:34.32 | Shirik | so I'm like not even 25% done |
| 06:34.45 | DWSR | Shirik: Wow, the grammar in that 1st paragraph is atrocious |
| 06:35.07 | Shirik | rofl yeah |
| 06:35.10 | Shirik | I should fix that actually |
| 06:35.12 | Shirik | I'll add that to my list |
| 06:35.41 | DWSR | Shirik: Already done. |
| 06:36.01 | DWSR | Swap 'accurately' in the last sentence to a different position and presto. |
| 06:37.10 | DWSR | Some people need to be shot for their comprehension of English |
| 06:37.18 | DWSR | s/people/people that contribute to Wpedia/ |
| 06:38.32 | Shirik | ooo |
| 06:38.35 | Shirik | this time it came out somewhat ok |
| 06:38.40 | Shirik | and DWSR, you would be surprised |
| 06:38.44 | Shirik | what you see isn't even half of it |
| 06:38.49 | DWSR | No, I know. |
| 06:38.53 | DWSR | That's why I say what I said. |
| 06:38.56 | Shirik | I do two main things on wikipedia (1) revert vandalism, and (2) copy edit |
| 06:38.56 | DWSR | Shirik: Link |
| 06:39.00 | Shirik | the requests for copyedit are.... |
| 06:39.01 | Shirik | ow |
| 06:39.12 | DWSR | I don't contribute to Wiki, normally. |
| 06:39.16 | DWSR | I just do copyedits when I see them |
| 06:39.25 | Shirik | well you see them when they're "ok" |
| 06:39.29 | Shirik | when a REQUEST for copyedit is made... |
| 06:39.32 | Shirik | then it's REALLY bad |
| 06:39.36 | Thrae | Funny, I made my first Wikipedia contribution today. |
| 06:39.47 | Shirik | oh I should spam Thrae's user page with welcome then! |
| 06:39.48 | Shirik | where are you! |
| 06:39.59 | Thrae | I did it by IP. |
| 06:40.00 | Shirik | User account "Thrae" is not registered. |
| 06:40.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:40.14 | Shirik | ~dns generalmx-1-pt.tunnel.tserv13.ash1.ipv6.he.net |
| 06:40.26 | Shirik | wut |
| 06:40.33 | Thrae | Yeah, I always browse Wikipedia by its IPv6 address :D |
| 06:41.43 | Shirik | I see no edits from anything :( |
| 06:41.46 | Shirik | where are youuuuuuuuuu |
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| 06:42.09 | Thrae | lol, you can't get my IP address from my IPv6 tunnel unless you know what you're doing |
| 06:42.28 | Shirik | I know what I'm doing and I still can't get it |
| 06:43.03 | Thrae | That's because I then run it through five different Onion routers. |
| 06:43.12 | Thrae | Mwhaha. |
| 06:44.12 | Shirik | you fail so hardcore |
| 06:44.19 | Shirik | fine, tell me what page you edited |
| 06:44.24 | Thrae | Anyway, all I did was comment on their Nehalem:Talk page about how all the Nehalems have two QPI links, just one is normally disabled except in the Gainestown. |
| 06:45.06 | Shirik | hm you sure? |
| 06:45.13 | Shirik | you talking about the english wikipedia? |
| 06:45.24 | Thrae | Si |
| 06:45.25 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nehalem&action=history distinct lack of edits |
| 06:45.31 | eadthem | can you have a seperate setscript and handleing function for each frame |
| 06:45.42 | eadthem | ie 1 frame has 1 and another frame has one thats diffrent |
| 06:45.47 | Shirik | or do you mean a specific nehalem |
| 06:45.56 | Thrae | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Intel_Nehalem_%28microarchitecture%29 |
| 06:45.58 | Shirik | found it |
| 06:47.06 | Thrae | Shirik: Great, now you're trying to haxxor me. I see snort popping up your IP address. |
| 06:47.25 | Shirik | nope, just to say hi! |
| 06:47.30 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:71.179.243.191 |
| 06:48.36 | Thrae | Shirik: Well that was a self-serving template! I used ~~~~ dammit. |
| 06:48.44 | Shirik | :D |
| 06:49.01 | Thrae | Although I did edit the entire page instead of hitting "Add a comment" because I'm used to dokuwiki. |
| 06:49.40 | Shirik | is that really what it says? |
| 06:49.43 | Shirik | It just says + to me |
| 06:49.47 | Shirik | "Add a comment" seems very verbose |
| 06:50.00 | Shirik | I run with a lot of modifications P |
| 06:50.01 | Shirik | :P |
| 06:50.10 | batrick | harro shirik |
| 06:50.30 | Thrae | Shirik: "Click here to start a new topic." |
| 06:50.37 | Shirik | wow, even worse |
| 06:51.07 | Thrae | I view Wikipedia in links over a tor account. |
| 06:51.20 | Thrae | Of course, I use https://en.wikipedia.org too. |
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| 06:52.51 | Shirik | I have way too many tabs to fit that: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/431e8c10298b6cd91694ec2897015192.png |
| 06:55.03 | Shirik | diff pages are even worse: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/bf0274ee6aa33264d3b91793e0a90a77.png |
| 06:56.46 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: why? |
| 06:56.52 | Shirik | need em |
| 06:57.11 | Thunder_Child | i was talking about the HDR actually |
| 06:57.11 | Thunder_Child | but thats ok |
| 06:57.15 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:57.20 | Shirik | what do you mean why? |
| 06:58.04 | DWSR | Shirik: Nice theme. which is it? |
| 06:58.13 | DWSR | Also, wtb your wall paper |
| 06:58.13 | Shirik | monobook, it should be the default :/ |
| 06:58.22 | Shirik | or do you mean google? |
| 06:58.36 | DWSR | both, actually. |
| 06:59.14 | Shirik | theme is "James White" for chrome |
| 06:59.15 | DWSR | I want to know a) what chrome skin you're using and b) a link to your wallpaper. |
| 06:59.21 | Shirik | my wallpaper? |
| 06:59.25 | Shirik | how do you see my wallpaper? |
| 06:59.29 | DWSR | Oh, nvm. |
| 06:59.31 | DWSR | It's the theme. |
| 06:59.36 | DWSR | Shirik: You not running Aero? |
| 06:59.46 | Shirik | I am but that's definitely chrome :) |
| 06:59.49 | Shirik | it's part of the theme |
| 06:59.50 | DWSR | ah, so I see. |
| 06:59.53 | DWSR | Sexy, imo |
| 07:00.05 | Shirik | yes I like it |
| 07:01.08 | Shirik | This is the "start page" http://images.gammatester.com/pics/99a2374e5c41f5a96299e77037caeff3.png |
| 07:01.13 | Shirik | shows the theme better imo |
| 07:01.22 | Shirik | actually bad example |
| 07:01.32 | DWSR | Fucking sexy. wtb the background picture for my desktop |
| 07:01.51 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 07:02.02 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5f336fe9569058feff6d09ca6bbcd1f0.png |
| 07:03.04 | DWSR | http://www.signalnoise.com/gallery/ <-- That's awesome |
| 07:04.16 | Dagmar | Too right it is |
| 07:05.34 | DWSR | anyway, shirik. |
| 07:07.27 | Shirik | sigh |
| 07:07.31 | Shirik | I am STILL working on this damn picture |
| 07:07.59 | Shirik | I think I'm going to remerge it, for the 39482nd time |
| 07:08.47 | Dagmar | Shirik: So long as there's no surprise chicks in it |
| 07:10.14 | DWSR | Cairenn |
| 07:10.18 | Dagmar | I hardly ever look at that particular face of Chrome. My ex-gf thought I was trying to hide something when I installed one I liked the border on, and it turns out there's a chick in the background of the visited sites page |
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| 07:10.25 | DWSR | Cairenn: I think I may have found the picture |
| 07:10.26 | Cairenn | DWSR |
| 07:10.26 | Corrodias | i want to think about using chrome, but i'm not sure how well it would handle over 100 tabs/processes |
| 07:10.28 | Dagmar | Beyond that your skin there is nice |
| 07:10.49 | Cairenn | ah |
| 07:10.58 | Dagmar | Corridias: I installed Chrome on Win7 and it took me until last week to get around to installing Firefox |
| 07:11.01 | DWSR | Cairenn: Yep, got it. |
| 07:11.07 | Dagmar | I like the "close the tabs to the right" option |
| 07:11.17 | DWSR | Speaking of Chrome on Win7, my fucking jumplists for Chrome stopped working |
| 07:11.19 | Corrodias | that doesn't really address my concern, Dagmar |
| 07:11.42 | Dagmar | I havent' seen it behave any better/worse than FF for having a crapload of tabs |
| 07:12.05 | Dagmar | I don't relaly go to 100 of them tho. Mainly I stop at 50 and start making bundles of bookmarks if my research starts fanning out that much |
| 07:12.47 | DWSR | ARGH |
| 07:13.00 | DWSR | WHY DON'T YOU HAVE AN OPTION TO START FROM THE FUCKING TOP OF MY DESKTOP |
| 07:13.12 | Thrae | I try not to get too many tabs. I like the FF addon Read It Later for easier sorting of stuff I want to read once then forget. |
| 07:13.19 | DWSR | Though, stretching it works ok |
| 07:14.39 | Dagmar | Thrae: I figure I'll handle 100 tabs about as well as I'd handle 100 pieces of paper on my desk |
| 07:14.48 | Dagmar | ...specifically, I'll be asea in notime. |
| 07:14.49 | DWSR | Dagmar: Probably worse, imo. |
| 07:15.04 | Corrodias | well, i DO frequently have over 100 tabs open |
| 07:15.09 | DWSR | Cairenn |
| 07:15.12 | DWSR | http://www.mediafire.com/i/?ynhyminggde |
| 07:15.14 | Cairenn | danke |
| 07:15.18 | Corrodias | and i fear to look at my process list and see 100 chrometab.exes listed |
| 07:15.18 | Thrae | Well, I also have my FF and IE cache in a RAMDISK. |
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| 07:15.28 | DWSR | Cairenn: It's a WS picture, but it's not 16:9 or 16:10. |
| 07:15.45 | DWSR | It's some retarded AR, so just stretch it. |
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| 07:16.00 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Well, _that_ it'll do |
| 07:16.19 | Thrae | Oh hey, has anyone had problems with TinyTip between patches 3.3.x and 3.2.x? |
| 07:16.49 | Thrae | No one? Excellent, I'll update the TOC to show compatibility. |
| 07:19.03 | DWSR | Holy shit I hate DeviantArt. |
| 07:19.15 | DWSR | In the HD/WS section there are pictures that are neither. |
| 07:19.34 | Dagmar | I tolerate it because they sell me jasinksi's stuff |
| 07:19.42 | Dagmar | I do not care for the suprise gay elf porn that appears now and again |
| 07:19.48 | DWSR | indeed |
| 07:20.43 | Thrae | Actually, 3.3 finally implemented a feature I wanted a long time ago. |
| 07:21.20 | airtonix | user interface configuration for rage quit? |
| 07:21.25 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:21.31 | airtonix | a ) now b) later |
| 07:26.05 | airtonix | guys are still clicking start to stop your computer ? |
| 07:26.17 | Dagmar | Stop the computer? |
| 07:26.29 | airtonix | shut it down |
| 07:26.31 | airtonix | stop |
| 07:26.43 | airtonix | as in opposite of start |
| 07:26.57 | Dagmar | Ah, as in the thing I do when I add more disks |
| 07:27.14 | airtonix | no obviously the thing you do when cooking lentils |
| 07:27.30 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRs2RDtfhYo <- What. The. Fuck? |
| 07:28.05 | Dagmar | Seriously, I don't 'stop' my PC anymore. It's either in one OS or the other, and I three-finger to restart Linux |
| 07:28.13 | airtonix | definitly some sexual undertones there |
| 07:28.23 | Dagmar | Oh better still, I do it _twice_ |
| 07:28.30 | airtonix | oh you stud |
| 07:28.36 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, do you haev photomatix by any chance? |
| 07:28.36 | DWSR | airtonix: lol |
| 07:28.40 | Dagmar | ctl-alt-bksp to kill X, ctl-alt-del to reboot |
| 07:28.41 | Shirik | Or do you use Photoshop to do HDR? |
| 07:28.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: it would seem that i do |
| 07:29.03 | Shirik | uh |
| 07:29.07 | Shirik | to which? |
| 07:29.16 | Thunder_Child | the first |
| 07:29.22 | Shirik | you like it better than photoshop? |
| 07:29.30 | Shirik | it seems to be crashing for me |
| 07:29.35 | Shirik | it doesn't like my RAWs or something |
| 07:30.00 | Thunder_Child | i cant remember offhand |
| 07:30.01 | Wobin | http://www.yeondoojung.com/artworks_view_wonderland.php?no=88 |
| 07:30.04 | Wobin | hehe that's kinda awesome |
| 07:30.08 | Thunder_Child | it's been a while since i have done HDR |
| 07:30.16 | Wobin | recreating children's drawings in reality |
| 07:30.17 | Thunder_Child | or any photos for that matter |
| 07:30.31 | DWSR | Wobin: Second picture down. |
| 07:30.41 | DWSR | Wobin: What do the bells at the top look like in the picture. |
| 07:30.42 | DWSR | xD |
| 07:31.01 | Wobin | DWSR, These are -children- we're talking about! |
| 07:31.05 | DWSR | So? |
| 07:31.07 | Wobin | they're -clearly- lantens |
| 07:31.11 | Wobin | lantern |
| 07:31.12 | Wobin | s |
| 07:31.13 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 07:31.25 | DWSR | Wobin: As I always (read: never) say: If she's 9, she's mine. |
| 07:33.20 | DWSR | omg |
| 07:33.22 | DWSR | I just installed Worms2. |
| 07:33.32 | Wobin | "oh no!" |
| 07:33.36 | DWSR | Indeed |
| 07:33.39 | Wobin | "you'll regret that!" |
| 07:34.46 | Dezzimal | has anyone looked into separating out the physical and shadow damage portions of scourge strike in recount? |
| 07:35.26 | DWSR | omg |
| 07:35.32 | DWSR | The classicness of this is fucking killing me. |
| 07:36.29 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: The problem is there's moving artifacts |
| 07:36.34 | Shirik | and it's really killing the image |
| 07:36.44 | Shirik | it's a picture of a fireplace |
| 07:36.47 | Shirik | and fire is not very stationary |
| 07:37.36 | Thunder_Child | well, what do you expect? |
| 07:37.58 | Shirik | a better algorithm! |
| 07:38.05 | Shirik | how am I supposed to get this picture right |
| 07:38.14 | Shirik | not going to fill flash it |
| 07:39.35 | Thunder_Child | so write one |
| 07:41.17 | Shirik | lazy |
| 07:41.25 | Shirik | I am not an artist |
| 07:41.28 | Shirik | just a photographer |
| 07:52.01 | DWSR | Anyone here play TF2? |
| 07:52.10 | Shirik | did |
| 07:52.22 | DWSR | wtf is the soldier/demo war about and what is crafting? |
| 07:52.42 | Shirik | ?? |
| 07:52.48 | Shirik | are we talking the same TF2? |
| 07:53.19 | Thunder_Child | new patch has new items for soldier demos |
| 07:53.41 | Shirik | huh |
| 07:53.44 | Thunder_Child | and* |
| 07:56.02 | DWSR | yes |
| 07:56.16 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Right, but wtf is crafting? |
| 07:57.00 | Thunder_Child | *shrug* |
| 07:57.06 | Thunder_Child | i didnt pay attention that much |
| 07:59.56 | Dagmar | You will likely be able to make your own IEDs. :) |
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| 08:40.09 | krka | is there any addon that simply adds questgivers to the map, for quests i'm eligable for? |
| 08:40.28 | Dezzimal | so I've got an interesting project in mind |
| 08:40.52 | Dezzimal | recount stores its damage breakdowns by spell name instead of spell ID :/ |
| 08:41.06 | Dezzimal | so the new scourge strike death knights have gets mooshed together |
| 08:41.16 | Dezzimal | instead of separating out the physical and shadow portions |
| 08:44.07 | Shirik | I might have finally found the magic combination |
| 08:45.46 | DWSR | krka: Not yet, but there will be soon |
| 08:51.19 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, mr. pro |
| 08:52.15 | Shirik | how can I, from a section of the picture, desaturate a hue? |
| 08:52.39 | Dezzimal | in gimp? |
| 08:52.45 | Shirik | basically I just want to desaturate the blues |
| 08:52.49 | Shirik | no, photoshop |
| 08:53.03 | Shirik | who uses gimp, seriously |
| 08:53.03 | Shirik | poor non-pirates, that's who |
| 08:53.05 | Dezzimal | I use gimp :( |
| 08:53.22 | Dezzimal | you can separate all the channels out into layers |
| 08:53.23 | Dezzimal | probably |
| 08:53.26 | Shirik | (03:52:42) (@Shirik) poor non-pirates, that's who |
| 08:53.45 | Dagmar | You can. |
| 08:53.52 | Dezzimal | and then desaturate the blue layer |
| 08:54.59 | Shirik | but I only want to do it from a portion |
| 08:55.14 | Dezzimal | select that portion when you do it then with w/e selection tool |
| 08:56.07 | Dezzimal | do it after you separate all of your colors out into layers |
| 08:58.32 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: you can cut out a section and do what you want with it, do vut via layer |
| 08:58.37 | Thunder_Child | cut* |
| 09:00.07 | krka | DWSR: how do you know? |
| 09:00.52 | DWSR | krka: Mostly because the only mod that would probably do that is either QH or Carbonite, and neither do that ATM. |
| 09:01.17 | DWSR | krka: Past that, the new quest table *could* be used to do that, but the data hasn't been available long enough, and I don't think that the table shows givers, only completion status. |
| 09:01.40 | DWSR | krka: QED no mods have done what you are asking for. If you're looking to easily level through zones, I highly recommend TourGuide and the associated guides. |
| 09:01.43 | Shirik | new layer via cut, Thunder_Child? |
| 09:01.49 | Shirik | then I can just alter the entire layer? |
| 09:02.04 | DWSR | yes |
| 09:02.17 | Thunder_Child | more or less |
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| 09:10.40 | Shirik | ok that didn't work |
| 09:10.44 | Shirik | whatever I did was wrong, lol |
| 09:10.55 | Shirik | you turned my fireplace into frankenstein's lair |
| 09:11.16 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 09:11.47 | Shirik | it seems to have applied the adjustments to the entire picture |
| 09:11.49 | Shirik | instead of the layer |
| 09:12.10 | Thunder_Child | did you select the correct layer? |
| 09:12.25 | Shirik | selected the layer and then the adjustment |
| 09:15.36 | Shirik | should I put this layer under it? |
| 09:16.36 | Thunder_Child | no, if you put it under the origional layer you will never see it |
| 09:17.25 | Shirik | bleh, I give up for gonith |
| 09:17.27 | Shirik | tonight |
| 09:17.32 | Shirik | that was awesome |
| 09:17.35 | Shirik | gonith |
| 09:17.51 | DWSR | lol |
| 09:17.58 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: crap i lied, new layer via copy |
| 09:18.14 | Shirik | well still |
| 09:18.21 | Shirik | that wouldn't change the result |
| 09:19.07 | Thunder_Child | then the mini layer icon on the bottobm right should look like whatever oyu cut out with a white background |
| 09:19.12 | Thunder_Child | you* |
| 09:19.57 | Thunder_Child | then image -> adjustment -> levels |
| 09:25.44 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: have you not started the hunt yet? |
| 09:27.18 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: no, you're 19.5 hrs early |
| 09:27.52 | Thunder_Child | ..meh silly me |
| 09:28.02 | Thunder_Child | i ready that as 12:00 am sunday |
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| 09:48.39 | DWSR | anyone here know a link where I can download the WotLK client? |
| 09:48.46 | DWSR | Blizzard's client downloader is not working properly for me |
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| 09:56.37 | DWSR | Can anyone recommend a lightweight text editor with lua editing capabilities that's available for Windows (not Emacs)? |
| 09:56.55 | Grum | notepad.exe |
| 09:57.18 | DWSR | lua highlighting/editing* |
| 09:57.20 | Corrodias | yeah, depends on what you- |
| 09:57.26 | Grum | gvim |
| 09:57.36 | Corrodias | notepad++ |
| 09:57.38 | Grum | notepad++, ultraedit |
| 09:58.10 | Corrodias | i'd also used ultraedit, and it's good. i am not an advanced enough user to tell you much about the potential differences between notepad++ and UE |
| 09:58.44 | Grum | just get gvim and learn yourself an editor available on every OS :p |
| 10:09.11 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 10:09.47 | Wobin | also, can I just say, for a weird FF plugin, Vimperator is awesome |
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| 10:14.37 | airtonix | DWSR, emacs |
| 10:14.44 | DWSR | god damnit emacs. |
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| 10:14.51 | airtonix | oh wait you sadi not emacs |
| 10:15.17 | nevcairiel | emacs and lightweight? |
| 10:15.30 | airtonix | personally i find the lack of "text to clipboard on highligh" annoying in windows |
| 10:15.52 | airtonix | pity you don't have the equiv of leafpad or mousepad on windows |
| 10:16.10 | airtonix | i'd mention gedit but i dont think the windows port is finished yet |
| 10:16.28 | DWSR | http://xkcd.com/564/ <- Can someone please explain what the fuck this means? |
| 10:16.45 | airtonix | you could use aptana but then you're not lightweight anymore |
| 10:17.00 | DWSR | airtonix: No, Eclipse is not light weight at all. |
| 10:17.10 | nevcairiel | just use notepad++, its the best editor on windows anyway! |
| 10:17.20 | airtonix | DWSR, there is two version of aptana though |
| 10:17.20 | nevcairiel | all those linux ports usually fail in usability on windows |
| 10:17.33 | airtonix | yeah windows isn;t very usable i agree |
| 10:17.47 | Wobin | DWSR doesn't get that? |
| 10:17.55 | Wobin | Maybe he's slow with the math =\ |
| 10:18.00 | airtonix | i mean frequently im driven to fits of rage because of the crappy window manager |
| 10:18.27 | nevcairiel | I was more refering to linux ports just sucking and not integrating properly into windows |
| 10:18.32 | nevcairiel | and thus, failing |
| 10:18.35 | nevcairiel | get a native win app |
| 10:18.42 | airtonix | like notepad |
| 10:18.50 | nevcairiel | like notepad++ |
| 10:18.51 | airtonix | oh wait it doesnt have line numbering |
| 10:19.04 | Wobin | gvim intergrates fine =P |
| 10:19.37 | mikma | anyone here has the website bookmarked that teaches you how to create a hp-bar on screen? |
| 10:19.42 | nevcairiel | If you use gvim on windows, you should just use linux .P |
| 10:19.56 | airtonix | which is what all sane people do |
| 10:20.05 | Wobin | nevcairiel, not if you work in a microsoft house =P |
| 10:20.09 | airtonix | i mean "ooo shiny green thing" |
| 10:20.27 | mikma | http://home.blarg.net/~tyroney/wow/uitutorial/ |
| 10:20.29 | mikma | ah there we go |
| 10:20.32 | nevcairiel | Its just a OS, i can work with both just fine |
| 10:20.42 | Wobin | instead I just change all my interfaces to use vimlike =P |
| 10:20.57 | Wobin | If I could run all the programs I need at work on linux, I'd consider it |
| 10:21.11 | nevcairiel | I just don't start changing my windows into a linux-y thing by using cmdline shit like vim on windows :p |
| 10:21.15 | Wobin | but I can't. |
| 10:21.21 | Wobin | nevcairiel, why not? =P |
| 10:21.34 | nevcairiel | well, why? |
| 10:21.35 | Wobin | If you find it useful, it's useful |
| 10:21.50 | Wobin | I use viemu in Visual Studio |
| 10:21.53 | Wobin | it's great |
| 10:22.13 | Wobin | (It also means noone fucks around with my computer) |
| 10:22.36 | Wobin | why limit yourself? |
| 10:22.38 | DWSR | Wobin: I use 256bit AES-Blowfish encryption on my computer's boot drive. |
| 10:22.45 | DWSR | Wobin: No one fucks with the Jesus. |
| 10:23.03 | Wobin | Jesus was a blowfish? |
| 10:23.07 | Wobin | Man, that explains so much |
| 10:23.11 | DWSR | lol |
| 10:23.23 | DWSR | I called my computer the Jesus because no one fucks with it |
| 10:23.34 | Wobin | Why not Chuck Norris? |
| 10:24.50 | mikma | oh so pirate so pirate |
| 10:24.56 | mikma | being afraid of getting busted, eh? |
| 10:25.03 | DWSR | No |
| 10:25.23 | DWSR | I'm paranoid of my girlfriend finding my porn |
| 10:25.41 | DWSR | Wobin: Because Saurfang would cleave me. |
| 10:25.48 | DWSR | Wobin: Saurfang dual wields Chuck Norris. |
| 10:25.48 | mikma | dwsr: ah, ok. that explains it |
| 10:26.03 | mikma | i had a friend who had wicked systems on his server :P |
| 10:26.33 | mikma | USB-stick contained one of the two required passwords (needed to be plugged in so the master password would open it) to boot up the linux |
| 10:26.48 | mikma | no usb-stick? no decrypting |
| 10:26.57 | nevcairiel | steals the usb stick |
| 10:27.10 | Wobin | DWSR, hm, is that "Norris'"? |
| 10:27.16 | Wobin | or "Norris's" |
| 10:27.20 | Wobin | Chuck Nori? |
| 10:28.00 | Caleb| | Chucks |
| 10:28.08 | mikma | mmm, chuck |
| 10:28.08 | Wobin | Nor-Chucks |
| 10:28.12 | mikma | in 1month |
| 10:28.42 | DWSR | Wobin: Norris |
| 10:30.09 | DWSR | Wobin: Do not question statements concerning Saurfang. |
| 10:30.15 | DWSR | Lest ye be cleaved |
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| 10:31.12 | Wobin | I'm not questioning Saurfang |
| 10:31.14 | Wobin | cause he's awesome |
| 10:31.25 | Wobin | I'm questioning the plurality of a Chuck Norris |
| 10:31.39 | Wobin | is the apostraphe after, or before the 's' |
| 10:31.42 | Grum | Roundhouses! |
| 10:33.51 | industrial | round house kicks |
| 10:36.34 | DWSR | Wobin: You're questioning Chuck Norris, which is equally as lethal. |
| 10:36.43 | DWSR | Wobin: You do not question such statements. ;P |
| 10:36.54 | industrial | we are not to ask such things |
| 10:36.58 | Wobin | pft |
| 10:37.06 | Wobin | It is all about relativity |
| 10:37.32 | Wobin | By stating I am not questioning Saurfang, I have already obviated myself from the greater of the awesomes |
| 10:37.43 | industrial | relative roundhouse kicks to your face are now eminent Wobin |
| 10:37.49 | industrial | xD |
| 10:37.55 | Wobin | cause he must be more awesome, if Saurfang dual wields him |
| 10:38.26 | Wobin | *he's dual wielded by Saurfang |
| 10:42.17 | Dezzimal | is there a dump function I can use to print out a variable no matter its contents be it table/string/number |
| 10:42.51 | Dezzimal | not /dump, something I can put in the middle of my addon |
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| 10:47.31 | DWSR | doesn't /dump map to a command of some kind? |
| 10:47.37 | DWSR | Also, wowprogramming.com |
| 10:47.45 | Dezzimal | yeah I have no idea how to find what /dump maps to |
| 10:47.53 | Dezzimal | working on that right now though |
| 10:48.52 | nevcairiel | it used to be DevTools_Dump for the command |
| 10:48.56 | nevcairiel | before it was integrated into the UI |
| 10:49.00 | nevcairiel | but maybe it still works |
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| 10:49.06 | Dezzimal | I think thats what it is |
| 10:49.14 | Dezzimal | function DevTools_Dump(value, startKey) |
| 10:49.18 | Dezzimal | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/AddOns/Blizzard_DebugTools/Dump.lua |
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| 10:50.32 | Dezzimal | excellent |
| 11:00.20 | Wobin | damn this dungeon finder tool |
| 11:00.29 | Wobin | I no longer can idle in lfg coding |
| 11:00.36 | Wobin | cause I find a group within 3 seconds |
| 11:00.41 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 11:00.46 | nevcairiel | just dont queue up |
| 11:00.52 | nevcairiel | or leave if you get a sucky group |
| 11:00.53 | Dezzimal | is there a way to call that function from inside my addon without including it as part of my addon? |
| 11:00.56 | nevcairiel | then you have 15min time for code |
| 11:00.58 | Wobin | but the opportunity is -right there-! |
| 11:01.01 | Wobin | >< |
| 11:06.52 | Wobin | http://www.wow.com/2009/12/12/arcane-brilliance-how-to-be-a-good-pug-mage/comments/23899503/ |
| 11:16.12 | mikma | i'm having big problems with DK Runic power updating |
| 11:16.38 | mikma | for some reason my display stops at 1 or 2 / 100, and it should go all the way to 0 :D |
| 11:16.59 | mikma | i'm watching UNIT_RUNIC_POWER, and apparently it doesn't fire at the last one or so |
| 11:17.31 | mikma | in combat it works just fine, but when you go out of combat, it starts to slack with 1/2 value :I |
| 11:18.29 | Grum | Wobin: CC in a pug? ;D |
| 11:19.07 | DWSR | I smell QQ: http://snarkcraft.wordpress.com/2009/11/17/jov-sez-meters-arent-about-the-size-of-your-e-peen/ |
| 11:19.13 | DWSR | In the comments* |
| 11:19.36 | Dezzimal | I suppose I have to include this in my addon then somehow |
| 11:19.43 | Grum | if you cant understand the importance of dps meters ... o m g |
| 11:20.10 | DWSR | I look at it this way. |
| 11:20.19 | DWSR | DPS meters: Did the boss die? Great. If not, who needs to pick it up. |
| 11:20.51 | DWSR | Healing meters: Did people die to healable damage: No? who cares? Yes? Who's assignment was it, what's their healing like? |
| 11:21.04 | DWSR | How much I care about meters is based on the results of the fight. |
| 11:21.19 | DWSR | If we win, I don't fucking care if someone did 0 DPS (well, I do, but, you get what I'm trying to say). |
| 11:22.17 | DWSR | I have withheld loot for poor performance before, both in pugs and in guild raids. |
| 11:25.23 | DWSR | imo, what's more important is: did you die to enviro? did you do your job? did we win? |
| 11:25.36 | DWSR | If the answer is no to any one of those 3 questions, no loot for you. |
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| 11:31.57 | Wobin | I use dps meters to figure out how fast the pug can move |
| 11:32.12 | Wobin | if the dps is decent, and the tank isn't taking much damage, I urge chainpulling =P |
| 11:34.46 | ZorbaTHut | I chainpull even if the dps is crummy as long as the healer can keep me up |
| 11:35.14 | ZorbaTHut | I just had a nexus where I would literally halfway-kill some groups before it occured to the DPS that oh hey maybe they should help ou |
| 11:35.34 | ZorbaTHut | ended with 45% of the party damage as a warrior tank. |
| 11:49.57 | Dezzimal | huh looks like the blizzard addon toolkit is offline |
| 11:50.04 | Dezzimal | Connecting to ftp.blizzard.com|216.148.223.66|:80... failed: Connection refused. |
| 11:57.34 | mikma | i had to go to the root of the ftp in order to get it |
| 11:57.49 | mikma | if i tried to get the addontool it threw me an error |
| 11:58.17 | Dezzimal | still connection refused at the root :( |
| 11:58.23 | DWSR | odd |
| 11:59.04 | nevcairiel | try the real ftp connection, not through http |
| 11:59.41 | Dezzimal | Connecting to ftp.blizzard.com|216.148.223.66|:21... failed: Connection refused. |
| 12:00.40 | Dezzimal | you able to get to it? |
| 12:00.59 | DWSR | Dezzimal: What are you looking for? |
| 12:01.02 | DWSR | I might have a copy cached around here somewhere. |
| 12:01.20 | Dezzimal | well I'm trying to get the addonkit.zip so I can call DevTools_Debug in my addon |
| 12:01.29 | Dezzimal | I assume that is included in the kit |
| 12:02.11 | Dezzimal | I'm a little hazy on what I need to do to be able to call that function from my addon in the first place |
| 12:02.24 | DWSR | ok |
| 12:02.27 | Dezzimal | err not DevTools_Debug, Devtools_Dump |
| 12:02.27 | zenzelezz | do you want this for yourself or for your users? |
| 12:02.27 | DWSR | I might have a copy, second. |
| 12:02.31 | Dezzimal | myself |
| 12:02.38 | zenzelezz | couldn't you just use DevTools then? |
| 12:02.58 | DWSR | Dezzimal: I have a copy, uploading now. |
| 12:03.00 | Dezzimal | wanted to get the official copy of it |
| 12:03.19 | DWSR | Dezzimal: Oh, you don't want me to upload it? |
| 12:03.27 | Dezzimal | since I know that blizzard implemented their version of it in that addon kit |
| 12:03.31 | Dezzimal | I think? |
| 12:03.32 | zenzelezz | I think his comment was to me DWSR |
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| 12:04.02 | Dezzimal | don't bother, I actually do have a local copy of iriels old devtools |
| 12:04.07 | Dezzimal | which should still be functional |
| 12:04.48 | Wobin | For the first time in my life |
| 12:04.52 | Wobin | I have a full tier set =P |
| 12:04.58 | Wobin | thank you welfare epix |
| 12:06.21 | Grum | ilvl232 t9? :D |
| 12:07.29 | Wobin | yep! |
| 12:07.33 | DWSR | STUPID SHIT CUNT BITHC MOTHER ASS FUCK DUMBASS RETARDED ASSHOLE SHIT FUCK SHIT. |
| 12:07.49 | DWSR | breathes deeply. |
| 12:08.00 | Wobin | This string of expletives brought to you by the letters F, U and the Society for Tourettes |
| 12:08.08 | zenzelezz | that seemed excessive |
| 12:09.00 | DWSR | Reformatted my computer today. |
| 12:09.05 | DWSR | Loading all of my goddamned programs. |
| 12:09.12 | Wobin | oh |
| 12:09.18 | Wobin | at least it was an intentional format =) |
| 12:10.27 | DWSR | Yeah.. |
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| 12:11.50 | DWSR | ugh, wtf. |
| 12:11.56 | DWSR | Launcher, you are retarded. |
| 12:11.58 | Dezzimal | well I'm a moron I guess |
| 12:12.08 | DWSR | Why can you not use the patches that I already have? |
| 12:12.38 | DWSR | The launcher has decided that, instead of using the 3.0.9-3.1.0 then 3.1.0-3.2.0 patches that I have, it'll use the 3.0.9-3.2.0 patch |
| 12:12.48 | DWSR | Fuck you you stupid piece of dumb shit. |
| 12:13.05 | Dezzimal | qqqqqqq |
| 12:13.18 | DWSR | I'm going to run you through a decompiler until your pixels bleed strange quarks. |
| 12:13.39 | DWSR | Or perhaps I'll just segfault you for hours while I sleep. |
| 12:19.39 | airtonix | good ol C-x M-c M-butterfly |
| 12:20.22 | DWSR | damnit Emacs. |
| 12:21.15 | airtonix | DWSR, last time i did that update patch run i forgot to install wotlk.... although the patches from 3.0 -> 3.2 didn't stop me |
| 12:21.31 | airtonix | went to run the game and " sorry you don't actually have wotlk installed QQ " |
| 12:21.37 | DWSR | lol |
| 12:22.37 | airtonix | seems patches from 3.0 - > 3.2 don't check whether you've installed the expansion or not |
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| 12:23.38 | zenzelezz | well, they don't necessarily need to |
| 12:23.55 | zenzelezz | if someone's sitting around with a classic account, they still need the new model files in case someone drops by Stormwind, etc. |
| 12:27.08 | Wobin | zenzelezz, Screw them, I say! Checquered Boxes for Everyone! |
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| 12:29.12 | DWSR | I question people who have classic only accounts that didn't use them for RAF |
| 12:29.58 | zenzelezz | there was a bug in Anarchy Online where the whom-pah (the teleporter) that took you to an expansion continent didn't check whether you had the expansion or not... so your character got flagged as being in the other continent, but your account wasn't permitted to go there |
| 12:32.49 | Dezzimal | theres no shorthand increment operator? |
| 12:33.30 | Wobin | no |
| 12:33.51 | DWSR | For Lua? |
| 12:34.07 | Dezzimal | no, brainfuck |
| 12:34.20 | Wobin | There probably is for Brainfuck |
| 12:34.52 | Wobin | but if you wanted shorthand, why the fuck are you using Brainfuck? =P |
| 12:34.55 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 12:35.04 | DWSR | That's a Brainfuck in and of itself. |
| 12:35.16 | Wobin | oooh how very meta |
| 12:35.37 | DWSR | Thank you, I spec'ed Demonology for a reason |
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| 12:46.08 | zenzelezz | http://www.lamebook.com/family-still-matters |
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| 12:53.54 | airtonix | so you could pickup chicks in bars ? |
| 12:55.11 | airtonix | also lol @ bf++ |
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| 13:12.09 | Aelobin | anyone know of a reason that UIDropDownMenu_GetSelectedID would return correctly but UIDropDownMenu_GetSelectedValue returns nil?:S |
| 13:14.53 | Aelobin | oh, i think i see |
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| 13:23.51 | A-KO | fail :( |
| 13:24.04 | A-KO | panderan monk isn't tied to your whole bnet account, it's tied to only 1 wow account.... |
| 13:30.59 | Wobin | A-KO, to force you to buy one for each, duh |
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| 13:47.41 | eadthem | im using this code local ring = CreateFrame("Frame","ring",UIParent); ring:RegisterEvent("UNIT_DISPLAYPOWER"); ring:SetScript("OnEvent", handleDisplay) |
| 13:48.01 | eadthem | for getting messages about ham updates but im not receving any messages |
| 13:48.11 | eadthem | well thats for detecting mana type change |
| 13:48.43 | eadthem | mana:RegisterEvent("UNIT_MANA") mana:RegisterEvent("UNIT_MAXMANA") mana:SetScript("OnEvent", handleMana) for mana thats not all of the register events involved |
| 13:49.12 | eadthem | but in short im not receving any events from any of this mana is a frame positioned in side ring |
| 13:49.53 | eadthem | to me it dosent make sense to put the onevent in these frames is there a correct frame i should be using |
| 13:53.37 | cbreak | is it shown? |
| 13:53.48 | eadthem | the frame yes |
| 13:53.48 | cbreak | "ring" is a dumb name |
| 13:53.59 | Legorol | eadthem: they way you are trying to do it is the common accepted method of doing it, so stick to this path |
| 13:54.29 | eadthem | http://final.servegame.com/rings/ring.jpg |
| 13:54.37 | Legorol | eadthem: a common mistake is the following subtle point, check for it: is the handleDisplay function defined *before* you call the ring:SetScript? |
| 13:54.46 | cbreak | you should prefix your global names with something |
| 13:54.58 | eadthem | ring is local |
| 13:55.02 | cbreak | no |
| 13:55.04 | eadthem | everything is local |
| 13:55.04 | cbreak | it's global |
| 13:55.12 | Legorol | cbreak: it is local if he defined it as such |
| 13:55.12 | eadthem | local ring = CreateFrame("Frame","ring",UIParent) |
| 13:55.18 | cbreak | Legorol: read it again |
| 13:55.26 | cbreak | CreateFrame( |
| 13:55.33 | cbreak | the second argument is the global name reserved |
| 13:55.34 | Legorol | cbreak: ah ok fair enough |
| 13:55.47 | eadthem | ok ya i will go back and prefix them |
| 13:55.56 | Legorol | eadthem: what cbreak is talking about is that the variable "ring" is local, but you are still creating a frame with the name "ring", which creates a global variable with that name too |
| 13:55.58 | cbreak | I always use nil |
| 13:56.13 | Legorol | eadthem: anyway, can you pleaes pasty the part of the code that has these lines + where you deinfe handleDisplay |
| 13:56.17 | eadthem | handleDisplay ive never seen anything saying it was needed ile look in to that |
| 13:56.31 | Legorol | *define |
| 13:57.07 | cbreak | well, what do you expect to happen if the events are triggered? :) |
| 13:57.19 | cbreak | if you don't define a handler, nothing will happen :) |
| 13:57.22 | eadthem | it to call the function defined in setscript |
| 13:57.26 | cbreak | you have to SetScript a handler method |
| 13:57.34 | eadthem | i have |
| 13:57.36 | cbreak | and you set handleDisplay |
| 13:57.38 | eadthem | did you read the code i pasted |
| 13:57.57 | cbreak | eadthem said "handleDisplay ive never seen anything saying it was needed ile look in to that" |
| 13:58.04 | eadthem | no for that i havent |
| 13:58.21 | cbreak | you can't pass around functions without having them defined |
| 13:59.09 | eadthem | http://pastebin.com/m444dc573 the whole source code |
| 13:59.33 | Legorol | eadthem: you did exactly what i suspected |
| 13:59.42 | Legorol | eadthem: you are defining handleDisplay *after* you called SetScript |
| 13:59.55 | Legorol | hence at the point you call SetScript, the variable "handleDisplay" is nil |
| 13:59.56 | eadthem | oooo |
| 14:00.06 | Legorol | you are passing nil to SetScript |
| 14:00.10 | Legorol | that's why nothing is called |
| 14:00.25 | Legorol | you have to remember that in Lua, functions are "defined" as such, they are created and assigned to variables |
| 14:00.41 | Legorol | so Lua has no way of knowing about it before you actually assigned it to handleDisplay |
| 14:00.42 | eadthem | so its like c/c++ your functions or function delcrations must go before any calls to them |
| 14:00.47 | cbreak | eadthem: maybe it helps you understanding |
| 14:00.49 | Legorol | not quite |
| 14:00.49 | cbreak | no |
| 14:00.56 | cbreak | anyway, you use local function handleHelth(self, event, unit) |
| 14:00.56 | Legorol | in Lua, you don't decalre functions |
| 14:01.00 | cbreak | but you cold also write that as |
| 14:01.01 | Legorol | there is no such thing as function declarations |
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| 14:01.16 | cbreak | local handleHelth = function (self, even, unit) |
| 14:01.22 | Legorol | yah, what cbreak said |
| 14:01.23 | eadthem | ok |
| 14:01.25 | Legorol | or even consider this: |
| 14:01.30 | cbreak | it's basically an assignment of a function to a variable |
| 14:01.34 | Legorol | local a = function someFunction(yay, boo) ... end |
| 14:01.36 | Legorol | local b = a |
| 14:01.37 | Lothaer | morning guys and gals |
| 14:01.47 | Legorol | now b also stores a reference to a function, and there is no difference between a and b |
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| 14:02.11 | Legorol | in Lua, functions are things you can assign to variables just like numbers or strings |
| 14:02.12 | foxlit | Drop someFunction and you'll have valid lua :) |
| 14:02.17 | Legorol | a variable is just a variable |
| 14:02.24 | Legorol | foxlit: oops mybad |
| 14:02.32 | Legorol | sorry foxlit is right, i rushed it a bit :) |
| 14:02.34 | Legorol | i meant |
| 14:02.34 | cbreak | (minor point: It's spelled "Health") |
| 14:02.36 | airtonix | question : passing a function as an argument to another function would be a possible source of a memory leak or creep ? |
| 14:02.39 | Legorol | local a = function(yay, boo) ... end |
| 14:02.47 | Legorol | airtonix: nope |
| 14:02.56 | cbreak | lua is GCed |
| 14:02.58 | Legorol | airtonix: you'd just be passing a reference |
| 14:03.03 | Legorol | it's got nothing to do with GC |
| 14:03.13 | nevcairiel | if you create new closures all the time, it certainly is a memory leak |
| 14:03.13 | cbreak | if a function isn't used anymore |
| 14:03.14 | Legorol | passing a function doesn't create anything new except for placing the reference on the stack |
| 14:03.15 | cbreak | it's collected |
| 14:03.18 | nevcairiel | as GC action causes FPS drops |
| 14:03.19 | airtonix | Legorol, what if i didn't assign it to a variable before passing it as an argument ? |
| 14:03.35 | airtonix | yes as i suspected nevcairiel |
| 14:03.40 | Legorol | airtonix: than your issue has nothing to do with the act of passing |
| 14:03.55 | Legorol | airtonix: *creating* function closures all the time will cause a lot of garbage |
| 14:03.58 | Legorol | whether you pass it or not |
| 14:04.08 | Legorol | the act of *passing* a reference doesn't add to it |
| 14:04.21 | cbreak | lua should never leak memory |
| 14:04.35 | airtonix | so having the habit of creating function, assigning it to a variable (outside any possible loops) then passing it is the desired fashion? |
| 14:04.35 | Legorol | no, but it can generate a lot of garbage that needs GC-d all the time |
| 14:04.38 | nevcairiel | it doesnt leak memory, yet if it needs to run the GC all the time.. |
| 14:04.45 | Legorol | airtonix: yes |
| 14:04.46 | nevcairiel | in wow that costs fps |
| 14:04.54 | Legorol | airtonix: try and avoid creating functions at high frequency |
| 14:05.37 | cbreak | airtonix: if you just want to pass a function once, you don't need to put it into a variable |
| 14:05.46 | cbreak | but it makes for more readable code |
| 14:06.07 | airtonix | cbreak, indeed, it also precludes you from having to 'clean' it up later |
| 14:06.41 | cbreak | In some of my addons, I have initialisation methods which I delete after first use. |
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| 14:06.47 | cbreak | *shiver*... it's such a hack |
| 14:07.50 | zenzelezz | why do you delete them? |
| 14:08.06 | airtonix | such a contrast to how jquery in javascript works |
| 14:08.29 | airtonix | functions being created left right and center for every heartbeat |
| 14:08.47 | Wobin | airtonix, not always a good thing =P |
| 14:08.49 | airtonix | and then some |
| 14:09.15 | airtonix | Wobin, yes / no but you understand the typical syntax of jquery chaining ? |
| 14:09.29 | Wobin | alas no |
| 14:09.37 | Wobin | I've not delved too deeply into jquery |
| 14:09.39 | Wobin | that's -frontend- work =) |
| 14:09.45 | cbreak | zenzelezz: to save a few bytes of memory :) |
| 14:10.36 | airtonix | Wobin, i made this crafting dependancy calculator for aion a few months ago... |
| 14:10.42 | airtonix | Wobin, using jquery. lol |
| 14:10.51 | cbreak | airtonix: you can create functions in lua as much as you want, it's just not performant if you always create the same function over and over. |
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| 14:12.32 | zenzelezz | I'm not very good with javascript, but I know my brother really prefers Mootools over jquery |
| 14:13.13 | Wobin | http://www.bme.eu.com/media/media-news/infographics/091208-NGO-Warcraft.png |
| 14:13.19 | Wobin | scary scary numbers |
| 14:13.27 | cbreak | JavaScript is an evil the world should get rid of. |
| 14:13.52 | airtonix | zenzelezz, i used to love mootools but its just not as adaptable as jquery |
| 14:14.19 | airtonix | cbreak, right after they get rid of ms windows |
| 14:15.19 | airtonix | cbreak, also : don't lookup "seed" |
| 14:16.53 | zenzelezz | adaptable in what way(s)? |
| 14:16.54 | eadthem | ok let me see if i got a handle on this the functions are defined like a function call ie local handleDisplay = function (self, event, unit) the function definition and codebody need to come before any calls to that function |
| 14:16.58 | eadthem | right? |
| 14:17.36 | Aelobin | Wobin: lol i'm a human dk thinking of picking up mining... /doh |
| 14:18.03 | Wobin | kinda scary that DKs being the youngest class are the most prolific |
| 14:18.16 | Wobin | but I'd like to see the numbers where they exclude all pre 70s |
| 14:18.20 | Wobin | (of DKs) |
| 14:18.40 | Wobin | since the majority of people I know tried a DK, just to see what it was like, probably conflating the numbers that way |
| 14:19.03 | eadthem | scary part is someone levals a toon to 55 and then chooses to give up on that toon and start a lvl 55 dk and leval them up |
| 14:19.56 | A-KO | eadthem: the function calls can be anywhere in the code, I usually put my function calls beneath the core logic part of my code |
| 14:19.59 | A-KO | but that's just how I work :P |
| 14:20.29 | A-KO | err, functions |
| 14:20.31 | A-KO | sigh it's too early |
| 14:20.32 | A-KO | I need food |
| 14:20.39 | A-KO | yeah it can be anywhere really, I put mine at the bottom |
| 14:20.47 | A-KO | you can put them in another file, too if you wanted |
| 14:22.17 | cbreak | eadthem: functions are defined with the keyword function, followed by the arguments in brackets, the body, and an end |
| 14:22.48 | cbreak | it doesn't matter if you define it before or after you call it |
| 14:23.08 | cbreak | what matters is that When you call it, the variable you call it from contains the function |
| 14:23.26 | eadthem | ok |
| 14:24.45 | cbreak | > a = function () b() end; b = function () print("A") end a() |
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| 14:25.25 | cbreak | the contents of the variable when you access the variable matter :) |
| 14:28.41 | A-KO | sigh, one of my largest pet peeves in wow is when someone asks for something to be crafted, and then I message them saying I can do it, then they ask me to link my profession |
| 14:29.11 | A-KO | like I'm going to scam them out of their mats or something |
| 14:31.23 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 14:34.11 | eadthem | you keep saying i can have my functions at the bottom of the screen but the only way it will fire is if the function is above the line with rings_health:SetScript("OnEvent", handleHelth) |
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| 14:44.51 | eadthem | ok well i got it updateing consistantly |
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| 14:46.45 | A-KO | it's possible you're missing a } somewhere |
| 14:46.52 | A-KO | and so everything at the bottom is actually failing, period |
| 14:47.07 | eadthem | i dont have any { } |
| 14:47.07 | A-KO | and when you place the function above the event code, it's not affected--thus, possible to be called |
| 14:47.53 | A-KO | well, forgot an end somewhere :P |
| 14:48.03 | A-KO | didn't end an if statement properly, etc. |
| 14:48.04 | A-KO | a function |
| 14:48.05 | A-KO | whichever |
| 14:48.37 | eadthem | looking |
| 14:50.32 | eadthem | not seeing anything like that |
| 14:53.04 | eadthem | ya i put the SetScript and show after the functions and they work i put it before and they dont |
| 14:58.38 | zenzelezz | "LF BS" > "what do you need made?" >> "link pls"... hate that. Just freaking say you're looking for Ulduar/TotC items and I could save you the trouble |
| 14:59.13 | eadthem | well heres the current code http://pastebin.com/m776a5f0a i can live with having SetScript below the functions |
| 15:00.11 | eadthem | atm the issue is setTexCoord isnt updating the image im just starting to look in to it |
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| 15:13.10 | ScytheBlade1 | so I never realized just how awesome this screen is until I took a screenshot of it |
| 15:13.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/droid.png |
| 15:13.46 | ScytheBlade1 | you would never guess that resolution fits in the palm of your hand |
| 15:14.04 | A-KO | yeah zenzelezz |
| 15:14.30 | nevcairiel | hehe yeah the resolution of that tiny screen is awesome |
| 15:17.08 | zenzelezz | http://www.lamebook.com/home-work-it |
| 15:17.11 | ScytheBlade1 | it is crazy is what it is |
| 15:17.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I want some monitors that have this DPI |
| 15:20.44 | A-KO | sigh |
| 15:20.50 | A-KO | the guild leaders in my guild are so fucking selfish |
| 15:21.05 | amro | A-KO: /gquit |
| 15:21.12 | A-KO | tempted to |
| 15:21.26 | airtonix | http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9431/31742279.jpg |
| 15:21.28 | airtonix | dont ask |
| 15:22.21 | A-KO | originally they had planned 2 10 man groups to run ICC over the weekend. And the way it's "supposed" to be split up is that there's no single "A team", in that everyone that would be on this "a team" is split into two groups....but because they couldn't find enough players last night they just took the people that were supposed to go tonight. |
| 15:22.27 | A-KO | so now, tonight's going to have trouble finding players |
| 15:22.47 | A-KO | douche thing to do IMO |
| 15:25.43 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 15:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM |
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| 15:47.40 | Hawlr | what coding is used to make addons? |
| 15:47.55 | amro | you mean language? |
| 15:48.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lua and/or xml |
| 15:48.26 | Hawlr | okay |
| 15:48.52 | Hawlr | u know how sometimes when someone like casts a buff they have an addon thatll be like, "Oh the mighty lords givee this person Power Word: Fortitude!" |
| 15:49.53 | Hawlr | is there a tutorial on how to make an addon like that trigger when a certain event happens |
| 15:50.17 | ScytheBlade1 | !g wow api addon event SetScript |
| 15:50.18 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Events (API) - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft <http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_(API)> |
| 15:51.09 | Hawlr | ive never made an adodn b4 |
| 15:51.26 | ScytheBlade1 | or used English, we can tell |
| 15:51.42 | Beladona | ugh, apparently backdrop tiles don't scale well |
| 15:52.14 | Hawlr | lol scythe |
| 15:52.29 | Beladona | i.e. backdrop on a frame, SetScale on the frame, the backdrop tile doesn't scale with it |
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| 16:03.05 | Adys | "My God that thing is HUGE! Oh,I didn't see the hand." |
| 16:03.15 | Adys | Out of context, at your service |
| 16:03.16 | Hawlr | lol |
| 16:03.20 | Aelobin | does OnShow run on frame:Show() or if the frame is hidden and becomes shown? |
| 16:03.31 | nevcairiel | I believe only when it was hidden before |
| 16:03.36 | Aelobin | ty |
| 16:04.01 | Adys | Aelobin: OnShow is for :Show(), OnHide is for :Hide() |
| 16:04.15 | Aelobin | that wasnt my question :P |
| 16:04.38 | Aelobin | i'll rephrase, if a frame is already shown and i do frame:Show(), will its OnShow handler fire? |
| 16:04.54 | Adys | it should |
| 16:06.07 | Aelobin | nvm, tried it in game like i shouldve before asking ^^ |
| 16:08.15 | MentalPower | and the verdict is? |
| 16:09.10 | Adys | the verdict is OnShow triggers when the player logs in, and never after that |
| 16:09.14 | Aelobin | it doesnt fire if the frame is already shown |
| 16:13.59 | zenzelezz | a level 19 wanting help farming Timbermaw rep... is that trinket actually helpful for twinks? (can they even get it?) |
| 16:15.03 | Aelobin | the offhand weapon's stamina works for them, but not the on-use |
| 16:15.23 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_121309_175248.jpg |
| 16:15.25 | mikma | boom! :) |
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| 16:29.52 | eadthem | if i change the texture file used for a texture after ive alredy assigned it a texture file is there anything special i need to do to it |
| 16:30.11 | eadthem | what im having happening is the old texture is still shown behind the new one |
| 16:31.22 | zenzelezz | gah... when you know that you want a blacksmith specifically to make you the white knight chest thing... why can't you take the two seconds to write that in your "LF BS" message? |
| 16:31.25 | eadthem | also setTexCoord is refusing to consisitantly update the cropping of the texture |
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| 16:32.32 | airtonix | zenzelezz, because as a crafter you are supposed to be 1) psychic 2) spend all your time and gold so other lazy cvnts can benefit 3) not complain about 1 & 2 |
| 16:32.50 | zenzelezz | oh yeah, I forgot about that part |
| 16:33.25 | airtonix | but i deftly hand you a blank kill-order for such peseants |
| 16:33.35 | airtonix | <no-one notices> |
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| 16:36.11 | zenzelezz | "This is a great day for all who oppose the Lich King! Brave Cakevendor has taken up the ancient blade, [...]" |
| 16:36.14 | zenzelezz | vendors these days... |
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| 16:41.08 | Hawlr | who here plays a hunter? |
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| 16:52.51 | Aelobin | have done but not for a while xD |
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| 17:02.52 | Hirsute | Hawlr: I have a hunter |
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| 17:24.05 | zenzelezz | I really detest how people use "oh, he was in a delusional state brought on by <some kind of narcotic> " as a defence when they've gone and murdered somebody. If anything, that should make the sentence more severe, not less so |
| 17:26.11 | Shirik | ok Mr. Thunder_Child |
| 17:26.31 | amro | shirik! |
| 17:26.48 | Shirik | hi amro |
| 17:27.02 | amro | pm |
| 17:51.02 | Arrowmaster | fuck yeah! watching the final Kara no Kyoukai, finally! |
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| 18:02.51 | Thunder_Child | pong Shirik |
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| 18:34.24 | foxlit | Hm, so there's a bazillion addons to deal with "Spell is not ready yet" messages. |
| 18:34.49 | Dagmar | ...and a setting in the client to make it STFU about that |
| 18:35.06 | foxlit | And not one appears to do what I want. |
| 18:35.23 | Dagmar | Which message are you trying to get rid of? |
| 18:35.40 | foxlit | That's the thing: I'm not. I simply see no benefit to having three of the same message on screen. |
| 18:35.52 | Dagmar | Strange. I don't get any |
| 18:36.05 | foxlit | I'd like to get one, however. |
| 18:36.13 | foxlit | And perhaps some visual ping to indicate that it's repeating. |
| 18:38.07 | foxlit | Nothing I can't write myself, it's just odd that there's a heckload of repetitions on the same (trivial) theme without significant functionality differences. |
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| 18:48.50 | zenzelezz | you know... if banner ads weren't all animated and alternating strong colors (I'm looking at you, switching-from-black-to-white-and-back banners), I might not have kept blocking them |
| 18:49.11 | Fisker | i dislike green/purple more |
| 18:49.17 | foxlit | lime/magenta! |
| 18:49.18 | Fisker | or any kind of green/x |
| 18:49.22 | Fisker | yeah foxlit |
| 18:49.23 | Fisker | that one |
| 18:49.26 | foxlit | That doesn't even need to blink. |
| 18:52.02 | zenzelezz | I dislike any alternating colors, but black-and-white is particularly annoying to my eyes |
| 18:54.51 | zenzelezz | http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20091207 -- if you get the "Karos" ad, that one just makes me feel icky |
| 19:00.51 | Dagmar | For that, there's NoScript |
| 19:03.59 | zenzelezz | I know; or AdBlock, or Stylish, or a number of others |
| 19:04.17 | zenzelezz | but I try not to block ads unless they feel intrusive; on the off chance the site gets paid by view, not click |
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| 19:12.06 | Arrowmaster | i block ads on all sites because they are a security risk, not because i dont want to see them or dont want to support the site |
| 19:13.58 | Dagmar | Well, when the criminals started buying ad referrals and the referral companies said "LOL not our problem!" I stopped giving a damn |
| 19:14.19 | Dagmar | When people stop allowing ads to come from sites they don't control, THEN I'll stop using NoScript |
| 19:14.35 | Dagmar | Nine major incidents in one year is _far_ too many |
| 19:17.07 | Dagmar | Until the advertisers stop proverbially throwing other people's machines to the wolves, then I'll consider uninstalling NoScript |
| 19:20.45 | Yssaril | is there anyway to check if something is hooking a function via hooksecurefunc (after its already been hooked)? |
| 19:23.08 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 19:23.15 | foxlit | Maaybe? |
| 19:23.57 | Arrowmaster | if you had full access to the standard debug library maybe, but you dont |
| 19:24.26 | foxlit | I'm maaaybe'ing on "in some circumstances" grounds. |
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| 19:26.00 | jnwhiteh | if you load before he does, you can hook hooksecurefunc =) |
| 19:26.59 | Yssaril | jnwhiteh: yea no 100% way to ensure loadorder without needing other addons to set optdeps |
| 19:27.14 | jnwhiteh | that's why in limited circumstances you can =) |
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| 19:46.47 | Yssaril | when does OnUpdate Fire? at the beginning or the end of a frame? |
| 19:47.08 | ScytheBlade1 | before, I believe |
| 19:47.21 | nevcairiel | how about .. between :D |
| 19:47.29 | nevcairiel | its not like you can effectively measure that |
| 19:47.33 | ScytheBlade1 | indeed |
| 19:47.53 | Yssaril | let me refrase that does it fire before or after normal events fire of? |
| 19:48.01 | ScytheBlade1 | er |
| 19:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | neither |
| 19:48.15 | ScytheBlade1 | as events are not tied to the framerate |
| 19:48.26 | nevcairiel | since the whole thing is single-threaded, it kinda is |
| 19:48.31 | ScytheBlade1 | kinda |
| 19:48.31 | nevcairiel | it processes the event queue every frame |
| 19:48.32 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: but they still must fire within a "frame" |
| 19:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | but not in that context |
| 19:49.03 | Yssaril | with in a single frame what is the order of events happening that is my question :) |
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| 19:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | it varies, I believe |
| 19:49.52 | ScytheBlade1 | as nevcairiel said, event *queue* |
| 19:50.02 | ScytheBlade1 | it depends on what order they come in on |
| 19:50.18 | Sixen | SBO! |
| 19:50.22 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 19:50.25 | Sixen | [= |
| 19:50.52 | ScytheBlade1 | my head hurts |
| 19:52.17 | Sixen | =[ |
| 19:58.30 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_PoY5QLwhE |
| 19:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | nsfw, language |
| 20:00.04 | Shirik | so I'm confused |
| 20:00.12 | Shirik | does anyone who gets 50k words during nanowrimo "win"? |
| 20:00.24 | Shirik | or is there only one ewinner |
| 20:00.32 | zenzelezz | nanowrimo? |
| 20:00.57 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy would have your head right now if she saw you say that |
| 20:01.09 | Shirik | ~wiki nanowrimo |
| 20:02.31 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I noticed history doesn't get saved |
| 20:02.37 | Shirik | do snapshots? |
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| 20:04.38 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: are we still talking about ps? |
| 20:06.50 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:06.56 | Shirik | PS has a history thingy |
| 20:07.00 | Shirik | and you can take snapshots in time |
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| 20:17.43 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Photoshop/11.0/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7497a.html |
| 20:18.24 | Shirik | I didn't scroll to the end, lol |
| 20:18.31 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 20:19.12 | zenzelezz | and Shirik's working on unmanned aircraft? "Oh, we should be using altitude checks? I didn't read that part" |
| 20:19.35 | Shirik | hey |
| 20:19.58 | Shirik | I operate on small, detailed requirements, not system-level requirements that are 3 pages long at once |
| 20:20.01 | Shirik | That's for QA people |
| 20:20.11 | Shirik | I want a page on "how to save history" |
| 20:20.12 | zenzelezz | :-p |
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| 20:21.31 | Dagmar | Alt-S, printscreen, mspaint.exe, paste, save, done. |
| 20:22.36 | Shirik | that doesn't do a very good job of letting me go backwards later |
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| 20:22.58 | zenzelezz | put the image in a version control system |
| 20:23.03 | ScytheBlade1 | or! |
| 20:23.08 | ScytheBlade1 | check out the timestamps on the images |
| 20:23.08 | ScytheBlade1 | bam |
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| 20:32.49 | Dagmar | :) |
| 20:38.15 | Thunder_Child | you figured it out right Shirik? |
| 20:38.47 | Shirik | I think so |
| 20:39.17 | ScytheBlade1 | the steam server is awesome |
| 20:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/130195 |
| 20:42.17 | Amarande | man |
| 20:42.21 | Amarande | WTB portable anvil for eng/BS |
| 20:42.29 | Amarande | maybe eng, they already can get portable everything else |
| 20:42.58 | Thunder_Child | see where is says linux on that pasty ScytheBlade1, thats your issue right there :p |
| 20:43.33 | ScytheBlade1 | segfault segfault segfault |
| 20:43.54 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: WoW does that too actually lol |
| 20:43.59 | Shirik | it just hides them |
| 20:44.12 | Shirik | When I attach a debugger to wow I always see spam of "first chance exception: access violation" in my log |
| 20:53.02 | zenzelezz | IIRC, that doesn't mean something's necessarily wrong |
| 20:53.20 | zenzelezz | if you catch them, you can use them for memory management |
| 20:57.13 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/free_lcd_tv.png |
| 20:57.53 | Dagmar | Looks like a plasma screen to me |
| 20:58.01 | Dagmar | LCDs don't burn-in |
| 20:58.06 | mikma | haste: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/cool_button.jpg |
| 20:58.40 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/suomalaiset_osaa.jpg |
| 20:59.18 | industrial | mikma: ^_________^ |
| 21:01.41 | Dagmar | mikma: I think it would be fun to try to send the thing off for warranty repair, actually. |
| 21:02.31 | eadthem | thanks to all who gave help my mod is compleat http://final.servegame.com/rings/rings.zip with text http://final.servegame.com/rings/ringsplain.zip without text http://final.servegame.com/rings/rings.jpg http://final.servegame.com/rings/rage.jpg |
| 21:03.05 | Thunder_Child | >.< http://gizmodo.com/5424638/the-track-ball-mouse-numerical-keypad-hub-does-not-think-less-is-more |
| 21:08.21 | industrial | ~seen kergoth |
| 21:08.25 | purl | kergoth is currently on #oe (3h 25m 53s) #edev (3h 25m 53s), last said: 'hey'. |
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| 21:12.25 | Shirik | mikma: I don't get it |
| 21:15.05 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Free all memory algorithm: __try { int x = 0; do { delete x++; } while(x != 0); } __except (GetExceptionHandler()->ExceptionCode==EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION ? EXCEPTION_CONTINUE_EXECUTION :EXCEPTION_CONTINUE_SEARCH) { } |
| 21:15.06 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:15.52 | zenzelezz | Shirik: don't recall; was something I read in "Windows via C/C++"; memory handling for spreadsheet programs and similar |
| 21:16.16 | Shirik | I just think that is an absolutely awful way to "manage memory" |
| 21:16.20 | Shirik | s/manage/mismanage/ |
| 21:17.15 | zenzelezz | Shirik: it's not the usual type of memory management; in their case it was that a cell would always be at some easily calculatable offset based on row and column; and when you tried to read from an unallocated address, you'd catch the exception and allocate memory at that address |
| 21:17.42 | zenzelezz | my point was just that first-chance exceptions don't have to mean there's something bad going on |
| 21:18.04 | Shirik | when you rely on undefined behavior, there's definitely something bad going on :P |
| 21:18.28 | Shirik | not all first-chance exceptions are, but segfaults certainly are |
| 21:18.35 | zenzelezz | doesn't have to be undefined just because it uses exceptions |
| 21:18.42 | zenzelezz | I said nothing about segfaults |
| 21:18.48 | Shirik | an access violation is a segfault |
| 21:19.47 | zenzelezz | if it's handled appropriately then it doesn't matter what it is (but I agree that it wouldn't be an optimal way to do things) |
| 21:19.50 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
| 21:19.57 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:19.58 | AbsolutRayne | Was Satrinas Buff Frames updated for 3.3? |
| 21:20.11 | Amarande | apparently locking your console while auctioneer is scanning causes auctioneer to either stop scanning entirely or go mega slow. |
| 21:21.49 | zenzelezz | Shirik: the section from the book I was talking about starts with this declaration: "It is now time to describe a situation where SEH can be used to control expected exceptions instead of suffering the consequences of unhandled exceptions." |
| 21:21.49 | Shirik | that may just be windows's fault |
| 21:22.04 | Shirik | Auctioneer's scanning process is quite CPU intensive, despite how gracefully it seems to occur |
| 21:22.28 | Shirik | Every time you hover over an item, approximately 4000+ math operations are done just to determine the current market value |
| 21:22.50 | Shirik | admittedly it happens in less than a millisecond, but it still happens |
| 21:22.58 | Polarina | just had the most useless idea for an addon. |
| 21:23.13 | zenzelezz | Polarina: sorry, Gearscore already existsd |
| 21:23.14 | zenzelezz | -d |
| 21:23.22 | Thunder_Child | much win http://gizmodo.com/5425288/canon-5d-time-lapse-video-is-perfect-viewing-material-for-lazy-sunday-afternoons |
| 21:23.50 | Polarina | A secure communication channel, with SSL certificate authentication and RSA encryption, via onion routing for anonymity. |
| 21:25.10 | Polarina | What's Gearscore by the way? |
| 21:25.24 | zenzelezz | an abomination |
| 21:25.45 | Shadowed | Shirik: No it's just Blizzards problem |
| 21:25.47 | Dagmar | A way to spot people in trade who have no life whatsoever |
| 21:25.58 | Shadowed | OnUpdates stop firing when the screen is minimized while running in full screen, so I assume the same issue applies to locking |
| 21:28.23 | Amarande | Polarina: depends, you want to know what gearscore is meant to be or what it's actually used for? |
| 21:28.33 | eidolarr | Shirik: "an access violation is a segfault" not generally true |
| 21:28.44 | Amarande | It's *meant* to be a means by which you can tell what raid instances you and others' gear is ideally suited to |
| 21:28.53 | Shirik | both access violations and segfaults are triggered from #GP |
| 21:28.58 | Amarande | In reality, many people use it as a means to be stupidly elitist about what gear they'll take for a group |
| 21:29.03 | eidolarr | no |
| 21:29.17 | Polarina | Amarande: No, I don't. |
| 21:29.18 | eidolarr | a general protection fault, a segmentation fault, and a page fault are all distinct hardware events |
| 21:29.23 | Shirik | no |
| 21:29.36 | Shirik | segmentation fault is not a hardware event and is nowhere in the intel manual |
| 21:29.49 | eidolarr | which intel manual? |
| 21:29.56 | eidolarr | segments are gone in x86-64 |
| 21:30.05 | Shirik | And you can prove it to yourself by picking a random instruction in the manual, triggering a GPF in the manner it indicates, and noting that it either comes back with "access violation" or "segmentation fault" |
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| 21:30.14 | Shirik | the reference manual... |
| 21:30.20 | Amarande | myself, I use it mainly so that I can tell what raids my 80 is probably ready for. |
| 21:30.27 | eidolarr | for which instruction set? IA32 or x86-64? |
| 21:30.29 | Shirik | http://www.intel.com/design/intarch/manuals/243191.htm |
| 21:30.36 | Shirik | eh |
| 21:30.37 | Shirik | not that one |
| 21:30.39 | Polarina | You people are weird. |
| 21:30.40 | foxlit | I was under the impression that you just get a TLB miss, and the OS gets to determine how severe it wants to whine at people. |
| 21:30.41 | Shirik | that was just first google result |
| 21:30.43 | mikma | boooooooooooooooooooring shirik is boring |
| 21:30.56 | eidolarr | what do you mean by "it comes back with"? |
| 21:30.59 | Shirik | http://www.intel.com/products/processor/manuals/ |
| 21:31.01 | Shirik | those |
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| 21:32.56 | Shirik | Admittely, unix has the interesting problem of needing to have a generic term for all processors. Windows, however, could easily have stuck with the 3.1 manner of just going "lol general protection fault in lololol.exe" |
| 21:33.53 | eidolarr | the conventional segfault is #SS in linux I believe |
| 21:34.23 | eidolarr | access violations are page faults straight from the hardware, unless they wrap it in another name |
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| 21:34.42 | mikma | so, what are the new unitframes blizz added? |
| 21:35.17 | Ama|Work | aka, I'd rather mine more mithril. |
| 21:35.18 | Ama|Work | heh. |
| 21:35.22 | Ama|Work | laters. |
| 21:35.39 | Shirik | eidolarr, my computer is running extremely slowly right now because PS is pissing it off or I'd quote you material from the refman |
| 21:36.11 | eidolarr | I think we are talking at different levels of abstraction |
| 21:36.12 | Polarina | My computer has never been faster since I installed Debian Squeeze. |
| 21:36.17 | Shirik | But a segfault occurs because the OS has requested that it is invalid. Not because a page fault has occurred (which is a more "forced" problem) |
| 21:36.26 | Shirik | A page fault COULD occur |
| 21:36.33 | Shirik | but that would occur after the bounds checks |
| 21:36.42 | eidolarr | that is a very ambiguous statement |
| 21:36.45 | eidolarr | oh I see |
| 21:37.12 | eidolarr | "the OS has requested that it is invalid"? |
| 21:37.57 | eidolarr | I'm pretty sure that in Linux code, all user code uses %ss, so the segfaults are actually instances of #SS |
| 21:38.00 | Shirik | Kernel mode grants access to registers which indicate the logical (or physical, I forget, but pretty sure it's logical) addresses that the currently-executing user level code may run |
| 21:38.12 | Shirik | The OS sets these registers to restrict what memory may be read/written |
| 21:38.16 | eidolarr | it's logical |
| 21:38.20 | Shirik | Failure to operate in those guidelines results in a GPF |
| 21:38.27 | eidolarr | no it doesn't |
| 21:38.31 | eidolarr | it generales a page fault |
| 21:38.38 | Shirik | no |
| 21:38.40 | Shirik | sigh |
| 21:38.44 | eidolarr | I've written a kernel, I can send you a small assembly baby that will show you |
| 21:39.05 | Shirik | A page fault CAN occur |
| 21:39.09 | eidolarr | I suspect you could do soem voodoo with segments to generate a GPF |
| 21:39.11 | Shirik | but the GPF will occur first |
| 21:39.21 | eidolarr | here's what I'm trying to say |
| 21:39.22 | Shirik | s/CAN/could have/ |
| 21:40.08 | eidolarr | well I'm not 100% on this because I haven't written for 64 bit |
| 21:40.25 | eidolarr | the address itself has ntohing to do with the fault |
| 21:40.36 | eidolarr | if you try to access an address through a kernel segment, it will trigger a GPF or a SS |
| 21:40.48 | eidolarr | the fault for actually accessing an invalid page, after segment translation, is a PF |
| 21:43.19 | eidolarr | segmentation faults are either #SS or #GPF in the translation stage, while an invalid read/write is a PF in the hardware stage |
| 21:43.33 | eidolarr | I guess unless you try to do something retarded like write through your code segment |
| 21:43.34 | foxlit | http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/d/d5/Alamo.jpg |
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| 21:54.04 | Thunder_Child | http://kotaku.com/5425338/team-fortress-2-craftily-crafts-crafting-update |
| 21:55.24 | eidolarr | Shirik: further research shows we're both medium right, unix does call all access violations segfaults, but they're almost always page faults, not gpfs |
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| 22:01.20 | Shirik | I finally figured out why I'm so low on hard drive space... |
| 22:01.20 | kd3 | the porn? |
| 22:01.20 | Shirik | no, all my pictures are supposed to be on D: |
| 22:01.20 | Shirik | but every time I stitch pictures together, I put them in a temporary folder on C:... and then never delete them |
| 22:01.20 | Shirik | At absolute maximum quality |
| 22:01.25 | Thunder_Child | good job being non-specific again |
| 22:01.28 | Dagmar | So... the amateur porn then. |
| 22:01.34 | Shirik | so only 97 pictures, but 10GB right there |
| 22:01.58 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: totally intentional :) |
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| 22:04.59 | cogwheel | did they buff HToC? |
| 22:06.44 | Pneumatus | not that we saw |
| 22:06.49 | Shirik | it didn't really feel any different to me |
| 22:06.57 | kdtresh | i slept through a couple runs last night, so i don't think so |
| 22:07.31 | Dagmar | I haven't been in there but once since the patch--it felt the same but I wasn't exaclty subjecting it to rigorous scrutiny |
| 22:08.20 | cogwheel | we got the rogue shaman and hunter and it's wiping the floor with us |
| 22:08.26 | cogwheel | poisons ticking for 4k, etc |
| 22:08.33 | Kraps | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Baroness_Egg_Attack_%28the_game%29 |
| 22:11.18 | Shirik | headdesks |
| 22:11.26 | Shirik | AfD has been a nuthouse today |
| 22:11.56 | Kraps | "The University of Texas football team is considered by many to be the gayest football team in the country. " |
| 22:12.14 | Kraps | come on people, you can do better than that |
| 22:12.54 | Shirik | I almost took someone from an AfD to ANI or WQA today |
| 22:12.59 | Shirik | he backed off though |
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| 23:48.58 | Jerub | so where do i go to learn about how to play a warrior tank in low level (30+) instances. |
| 23:49.02 | Jerub | I can't seem to hold threat on locks. |
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| 23:55.24 | eidolarr | Jerub: put sunder armor on every button on your bar |
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| 23:55.36 | Jerub | really? |
| 23:55.49 | Jerub | .. i was hitting it occasionally, but not constantly. |
| 23:55.53 | eidolarr | no, but that's the key |
| 23:55.55 | eidolarr | you hit like |
| 23:56.03 | eidolarr | revenge > shield bash > sunder |
| 23:56.22 | eidolarr | but at that level you can probably get awy with just spamming sunder |
| 23:56.27 | eidolarr | with taunts when apt |
| 23:56.40 | Thunder_Child | SUNDER MAS RAPIDO! |
| 23:56.40 | WobWork | You can also let the warlocks die |
| 23:56.50 | WobWork | it's a good object lesson that's better learnt when young |
| 23:56.50 | eidolarr | I doubt you'll find many guides since the classes are incomplete at that level |
| 23:57.25 | WobWork | "Lrn2control your threat plz mr warlock, cause you'll have that problem for the rest of your career" |
| 23:59.55 | Jerub | also, have you heard rumours about bot dungeon farmers? |
