| 00:00.06 | foxlit | And, potentially, the password for that key. |
| 00:00.33 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: what were you saying about the crazy point on the kernel tree it was taken from? |
| 00:00.39 | NightHawkTheSane | the obvious solution here is that blizzard just needs to hire armed thugs to investigate anyone logging on an account and verify they actually own it. |
| 00:00.41 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: that's the HTC Hero, not the Droid |
| 00:00.42 | Jerub | considers buying some authenticators. |
| 00:00.48 | Jerub | I thought they were like $15, but they're $6.50 |
| 00:00.59 | Dashkal | Hypothetically: how well would an RSA dongle work? |
| 00:01.08 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: ah, nm me then :) |
| 00:01.23 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: personally, I'd still rather the n900 with proper cursor keys ;) |
| 00:01.25 | foxlit | Last I heard, authentication was already challenge-response. |
| 00:01.35 | Shirik | foxlit: if people leak out their private key it's their own fault :) |
| 00:01.41 | Kraps | the maintenance thread has 91 pages |
| 00:01.42 | Dagmar | Far as I know the biggest issue with the authenticators is that you can still fast talk your way around CS |
| 00:01.45 | foxlit | Shirik: if people leak out their password....? |
| 00:02.05 | Yssaril | jnwhiteh: where did you see the info for that? |
| 00:02.06 | Dashkal | Shirik: Given how people "leak" their passwords (keylogger) how would a private key be more secure? |
| 00:02.11 | Shirik | foxlit: few people change their password at all |
| 00:02.12 | jnwhiteh | Yssaril: its all over the place =) |
| 00:02.19 | Shirik | the fact that they aren't actually "giving out" their private key |
| 00:02.27 | jnwhiteh | Yssaril: It broke at alldroid - http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=210&t=567 |
| 00:02.29 | Dagmar | This last spring one of my co-workers had authenticator-protected accounts that were merged in Battle.net yanked out from under him by someone doing some social-engineering of CS |
| 00:02.31 | Shirik | should imply they shouldn't be releasing it anywhere |
| 00:02.35 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean besides the fact that with careful attention to one's computer's security one probably should be able to avoid any situation where the authenticator would possibly save oneself anyway? |
| 00:02.38 | Yssaril | jnwhiteh: cool thanks |
| 00:02.43 | Shirik | bbl |
| 00:02.48 | foxlit | I suppose you could win something on not falling for generic "type passwordz here" phishes. |
| 00:02.50 | Jerub | Amarande: but wow runs on windows |
| 00:03.02 | Dagmar | Amarande: You can _say_ that all you like, but jsut the same "shit happens" |
| 00:03.07 | Dagmar | ..and what Jerub said. |
| 00:03.09 | foxlit | But if the majority of security poblems are caused by people running crap, private keys do nothing. |
| 00:03.12 | Amarande | you know. keep virus and spyware scanners updated. use good passwords. don't visit suspicious websites. don't fucking install every random file you get sent. |
| 00:03.17 | jnwhiteh | Yssaril: the sad thing is |
| 00:03.18 | jnwhiteh | no exploit. |
| 00:03.19 | jnwhiteh | nothing. |
| 00:03.30 | jnwhiteh | or actually |
| 00:03.31 | jnwhiteh | there might be |
| 00:03.32 | VonhintenHOME` | So, rogues.. combat. Wound or Instant? |
| 00:03.45 | jnwhiteh | but its just applied in update.zip form, using the mechanism that moto/google gave them =) |
| 00:03.49 | NightHawkTheSane | VonhintenHOME`: i gues these days its instant/deadly |
| 00:03.52 | *** join/#wowuidev mojosdojo (n=gdbzet26@p4FEFF7EC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:03.59 | jnwhiteh | i.e. the only reason it was rooted (now) was because of the 2.0.1 update |
| 00:04.00 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: sad thing is needing to root a linux phone at all >< |
| 00:04.17 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: up to carriers man |
| 00:04.18 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 00:04.29 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/07/funny-pictures-a-problem-officer/ |
| 00:04.35 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: nokia don't seem to think so *shrug* |
| 00:05.27 | Amarande | fruck, now it lets you log on but then you get to "Connected" and it sits there |
| 00:06.03 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: that's because its one carrier, and a big one at that. |
| 00:06.03 | jnwhiteh | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/09/05/1330256/Nokia-Fears-Carriers-May-Try-To-Undermine-N900 |
| 00:06.08 | Amarande | aright. yay, I'm in. |
| 00:06.14 | Hirsute | I got to my character select screen, but it's freezing at full loading. |
| 00:06.20 | Dagmar | Nokia *should* worry |
| 00:06.24 | Hirsute | gorammit |
| 00:06.28 | jnwhiteh | you don't get the same power when you're not nokia =) |
| 00:06.39 | jnwhiteh | who controls both the hardware and the software :P |
| 00:07.00 | Dagmar | Cell phone carriers have clearly shown a willingness to be destructive bitches who will never sell someone a phone without doing their best to see that all new features are partitioned out and only returned to the users who pay an extra fee |
| 00:07.06 | NightHawkTheSane | which is why need google to make and sell their own phone that's actually open. :) |
| 00:07.16 | jnwhiteh | Dagmar: the phones I get in the UK are never cripped =) |
| 00:07.19 | schnoggo | Got to choose my toon... maybe some realms are actually up... |
| 00:07.34 | schnoggo | huzza! |
| 00:07.35 | Dagmar | I figure the Android thing is going to come down to carriers quickly realizing they can't get away with that, and then we'll see some problems |
| 00:07.41 | schnoggo | let the debugging begin! |
| 00:07.46 | Dagmar | jnwhiteh: In the US they pretty much all are |
| 00:07.51 | Amarande | weird, when I clicked Cancel on the "Connected" window it went to the realm select box, and then I could select Turalyon and be OK. |
| 00:07.52 | jnwhiteh | "the android thing"? |
| 00:07.55 | jnwhiteh | Dagmar: I know, I'm from there =) |
| 00:07.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: US carriers are VERY much like that, european carriers are more open |
| 00:07.58 | jnwhiteh | I like being here :P |
| 00:08.13 | WobWork | honestly |
| 00:08.16 | Dagmar | Motorola even got sued over taking most of the bluetooth funtionality out of one of their early BT-enabled phones, at the behest of Sprint and Verizon |
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| 00:08.22 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: carriers aren't stopping nokia from selling the thing like there's no tomorrow. |
| 00:08.22 | WobWork | I wonder why blizzard didn't twig to this scheme beforehand |
| 00:08.31 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: they tried, that's a fact. |
| 00:08.36 | jnwhiteh | they had to back down or not get the phone |
| 00:08.37 | WobWork | "Carrot == Vanity Pet" |
| 00:08.39 | Dagmar | WobWork: Which scheme? |
| 00:08.48 | jnwhiteh | it _was_ an issue. |
| 00:08.50 | Dagmar | Selling vanity pets? |
| 00:08.57 | jnwhiteh | Nokia had more to bargain with, simple enough |
| 00:08.58 | WobWork | No offering them for doing something |
| 00:08.58 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: vanity pets used to take space, meaning a lot less people were interested in having 100+ of them |
| 00:09.09 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: lies =P |
| 00:09.18 | WobWork | if you were offered a core hound pup pet, you'd go for it |
| 00:09.23 | WobWork | even if it took space |
| 00:09.24 | Dagmar | I think Night has the essence of it, yes |
| 00:09.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ... -I- would, yes. but i'm one of the crazies |
| 00:09.38 | Dagmar | There's a number of vanity pets I no longer have because they were taking up too much damn bag space |
| 00:09.47 | WobWork | Dagmar: You can get them back, I think |
| 00:09.51 | WobWork | the quest related ones at least |
| 00:09.57 | NightHawkTheSane | point being, they can now offer vanity pets for whatever htey damn well please without people having bag space issues |
| 00:10.08 | Dagmar | Considering I got the skunk completely by suprise, I'm not worrying too much about it |
| 00:10.24 | Dagmar | I have "OMGLOTS" of vanity pets |
| 00:10.41 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. |
| 00:10.46 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: sorry, I really don't understand what you're talking about |
| 00:10.49 | Dagmar | THe only ones I really care about are the weird ones that do something beyond just stand there and take up FPS |
| 00:11.03 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: I've been fairly clear, so I'll just leave it at that. |
| 00:11.08 | jnwhiteh | I |
| 00:11.09 | jnwhiteh | hate |
| 00:11.10 | jnwhiteh | wow.com |
| 00:11.11 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wow.com/2009/12/08/patch-3-3-updated-addons/ |
| 00:11.14 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 00:11.18 | jnwhiteh | lets pick bullshit random addons |
| 00:11.20 | jnwhiteh | and make a list of them |
| 00:11.20 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: join the club? |
| 00:11.34 | NightHawkTheSane | they're writers are, by and large, hacks. |
| 00:11.37 | jnwhiteh | oh look |
| 00:11.37 | Kraps | oh come on |
| 00:11.38 | NightHawkTheSane | their* |
| 00:11.41 | jnwhiteh | every single one is on curse/wowace. |
| 00:11.46 | jnwhiteh | cause there are no other addon sites. |
| 00:12.05 | NightHawkTheSane | wow.com is like the fox news of wow fansites :P |
| 00:12.13 | Cloudwolf | time to go toc patch my addons... |
| 00:12.14 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (n=MPower@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 00:12.14 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 00:12.20 | jnwhiteh | and they lick curse's balls. |
| 00:12.29 | jnwhiteh | I mean I love curse as much as the next guy |
| 00:12.31 | jnwhiteh | but cmon |
| 00:12.33 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: The device looks interesting. |
| 00:12.53 | Amarande | wow, zorba is the most loved person in the entire wow community |
| 00:13.10 | Dagmar | Amarande: Probably so |
| 00:13.11 | Amarande | QH is the single most popular wow addon, according to curse client |
| 00:13.16 | NightHawkTheSane | anyway. i've got to go kill off some player characters in my D&D game. |
| 00:13.22 | NightHawkTheSane | later folks. :) |
| 00:13.35 | Amarande | sadly, on the other hand, there seem to be far too many meter maids on wow |
| 00:13.41 | Amarande | as evidenced by the third most popular addon in the game. |
| 00:13.47 | jnwhiteh | Amarande: and the curse client continues to count addons that have been downloaded and are disabled or not used. |
| 00:14.01 | jnwhiteh | as evidenced by the fact that 'handy egg finder' still has a reasonable high install base =) |
| 00:14.16 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: wow.com are the people who promote 'illegal' activities then employ ex-blizz staff who whilst at blizz explained to everyone how to legally make game item<>$ conersions from playing the game |
| 00:14.18 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh: what do you mean by 'default'? |
| 00:14.26 | Hjalte | jnwhiteh: When it's not easter, eggs are even HARDER to find. Duh. |
| 00:14.31 | jnwhiteh | Thunder_Child: there are four click sets in Clique. |
| 00:14.33 | bleeter | yeah, wow.com... hardcore losers. how they keep their official status is beyond imagination |
| 00:14.46 | bleeter | must involve lots of cocaines in various marketings departments |
| 00:14.47 | jnwhiteh | Thunder_Child: yours are all defined under the 'default' click set, instead of 'harmful actions' or 'helpful actions', etc. |
| 00:14.51 | jnwhiteh | does wow.com have a twitter |
| 00:14.54 | Thunder_Child | rught |
| 00:14.55 | Thunder_Child | right* |
| 00:14.58 | jnwhiteh | I'm going to @bitch at them |
| 00:15.15 | Amarande | well, now there's a simple and legal way to buy gold. |
| 00:15.26 | Amarande | 1. Buy TCG loot card with item people actually want. |
| 00:15.33 | Amarande | 2. Put that loot card item up on AH for 20k+. |
| 00:15.38 | Kraps | look at the fucking big uprated comment |
| 00:15.39 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: @wowinsider |
| 00:15.44 | Amarande | 3. 48 hours later, bought gold. In a way. |
| 00:16.07 | Amarande | *And apparently Blizzard actively sanctions this, based on the fact that the TCG items are no longer BoP.* |
| 00:16.45 | WobWork | jnwhiteh: I almost had the adjustment for the turkey lurkey with the HandyEggFinder =\ |
| 00:16.45 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2009/12/08/patch-3-3-updated-addons/2#comments |
| 00:16.54 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 00:17.24 | jnwhiteh | god |
| 00:17.30 | jnwhiteh | the amount of users I could have if I gave a shit. |
| 00:17.32 | jnwhiteh | my addons are good |
| 00:17.36 | jnwhiteh | I just don't care about whoring them out |
| 00:17.37 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 00:17.40 | Dagmar | Oh look, more whiny wowmatrix nonsense |
| 00:17.49 | WobWork | >< |
| 00:17.55 | jnwhiteh | if i threw all of my addons on curse/wowi and wowmatrix and made a fuss |
| 00:18.01 | jnwhiteh | i could probably do quite well for myself |
| 00:18.06 | jnwhiteh | but i'd want to stab myself in the fucking face. |
| 00:18.08 | Dagmar | I wonder what kind of mental retardation is it that keeps one from realizing it's going to be really hard to come back from a long-standing policy of _pooping in people's eyes_ |
| 00:18.20 | WobWork | Dagmar: blindness =P |
| 00:18.26 | WobWork | due to fecal matter in the oculars |
| 00:19.05 | Kraps | all the realms are down |
| 00:19.12 | WobWork | comparison for Wow.com and Fox News is apt |
| 00:19.14 | WobWork | sad, but apt |
| 00:19.27 | Shirik | rofl |
| 00:20.49 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Please do not be stabbing yourself in the eyes. My friend (the skinny blonde you met at BlizzCon) would die if you weren't updating CLique. |
| 00:21.18 | Shirik | I would die if you weren't updating clique |
| 00:21.54 | Jerub | there's a reason i was happy i tanked this morning :P |
| 00:22.22 | jnwhiteh | there |
| 00:22.25 | jnwhiteh | i've twitter ranted. |
| 00:22.26 | jnwhiteh | why |
| 00:22.31 | jnwhiteh | would you make your own shitty addon list |
| 00:22.34 | Jerub | jnwhiteh: what's your twitter? |
| 00:22.35 | jnwhiteh | when the survival guide is up |
| 00:22.44 | Dagmar | Because you want Google pagerank! |
| 00:22.44 | jnwhiteh | it's like the top 50 addons across all sites |
| 00:22.51 | jnwhiteh | Jerub: jnwhiteh |
| 00:22.54 | jnwhiteh | shockingly |
| 00:22.55 | Dagmar | ...because that makes your monies happen! |
| 00:23.01 | jnwhiteh | I've never found another 'jnwhiteh' on the internet that wasn't me. |
| 00:23.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (n=caleb@dsl4E5C020E.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 00:23.39 | Shirik | goes off to register a jnwhiteh on some random site |
| 00:23.45 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 00:24.45 | Cloudwolf | well theres my toc updates for the year lol jk |
| 00:25.26 | Amarande | man ... fail |
| 00:25.33 | Amarande | I can't remember what the panel addon I used previously was |
| 00:25.48 | Amarande | it was a data broker one that let you have panels at the top and bottom that basically looked like the fubar ones |
| 00:26.34 | Sixen | Cloudwolf... Not D3W Cloudwolf ,right? |
| 00:26.45 | Torhal | Amarande: Just get Bazooka and be happy. |
| 00:26.49 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: I went 10+ years being the only bleeter... there's about 6 who've appeared in the last year. |
| 00:26.57 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 00:26.58 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 00:26.59 | jnwhiteh | goodnight all |
| 00:27.00 | Torhal | Amarande: Or NinjaPanel |
| 00:27.04 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: gnight bloke |
| 00:27.04 | Sixen | I went years without there being any other Sixen's. |
| 00:27.25 | Sixen | When they made the reference to me in the Death Knights book and made Sixen's Skullcap, now every has a DK named Sixen |
| 00:27.26 | Sixen | :( |
| 00:27.29 | Jerub | there's quite a few jerubbaal's around. i truncated from JerubBaal to Jerub maybe... 5 years ago? |
| 00:27.37 | bleeter | Sixen: difference there is, they are pale imitations of you. I'm the pale imitation of the aggregate of the others. |
| 00:27.45 | Sixen | bleet :3 |
| 00:27.48 | Sixen | :D* |
| 00:27.50 | Cloudwolf | Sixen who is d3 cloudwolf? |
| 00:27.55 | Cloudwolf | *D3W |
| 00:27.57 | Sixen | www.diablo3warcraft.com |
| 00:28.15 | Cloudwolf | Haha nope not him |
| 00:28.18 | Sixen | :p |
| 00:28.29 | Cloudwolf | No idea who he is or how long hes used that screen name |
| 00:28.45 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: i still get points from curse for LibGUIDRegistry-0.1 |
| 00:28.46 | Cloudwolf | but ive been using Cloudwolf i duno 2 or 3 years now or osmething |
| 00:28.52 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: =) |
| 00:28.57 | Sixen | Haha, for sure. |
| 00:28.59 | Hirsute | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.27 | Cloudwolf | OH yeha i so wantted to try some of the neat new featuers O.o my server be down tho D: |
| 00:29.27 | mitchnull | what's there to whine about? |
| 00:29.34 | Jerub | I tried to sell arctic fur this monring. there were lols. |
| 00:29.35 | Jerub | :P |
| 00:29.43 | Jerub | Cloudwolf: auth is down |
| 00:29.52 | Cloudwolf | Actualy im in one of the servers |
| 00:29.56 | Hirsute | Enchanters whining that Blizz is forcing them to give their abilities away for free.. <-- mitchnull |
| 00:30.01 | Cloudwolf | Not sure if EU auth is down |
| 00:30.07 | Thunder_Child | i dont think auth is down anymore |
| 00:30.11 | Cloudwolf | but i was able to authenticate and get in my server is just down |
| 00:30.16 | Hirsute | <--Just logged in myself. |
| 00:30.25 | mitchnull | hirsute: like they would've asked party memebers money for the DE? |
| 00:30.32 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: rofl that page lists HealBot Continued as updated |
| 00:30.40 | jnwhiteh | which one? |
| 00:30.43 | jnwhiteh | the wowinsider one? |
| 00:30.45 | Hirsute | mitchnull: Some did, or others just flat-out refused to DE for their parties. |
| 00:30.47 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 00:30.51 | Cloudwolf | Wow it only took them till 3.3 to make the world map you know moveable? |
| 00:30.55 | Hirsute | HealBot Continued *is* updated. |
| 00:30.58 | mitchnull | at least I never did... although I tended to keep silent about being an enchanter, 'cos I hated the fuss with it |
| 00:31.06 | Hirsute | Just downloaded up an updated version. |
| 00:31.36 | Arrowmaster | its deleted from curse because the author ignored my message to remove SharedMedia from it |
| 00:31.42 | Cloudwolf | Hmm or not... |
| 00:31.46 | Torhal | Hirsute: I deleted it |
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| 00:32.19 | Hirsute | Torhal: HealBot Continued? |
| 00:32.36 | Torhal | Hirsute: Yeah. It was distributing two other All Rights Reserved AddOns |
| 00:32.49 | Torhal | So I deleted it and told the author why |
| 00:32.51 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: Huh. I downloaded an updated version *from* curse less than an hour ago. |
| 00:32.54 | Arrowmaster | one of which i am considered an author of |
| 00:32.58 | Torhal | I deleted it a few minutes ago |
| 00:33.04 | Hirsute | Torhal: Ah. |
| 00:33.25 | Arrowmaster | so if he doesnt stop it healbot could find itself completely removed from curse |
| 00:33.52 | Hirsute | I was wondering where SharedMedia was coming from. Wife downloaded HBC initially, then one day I noticed SM on, and neither she nor I knew where it had come from. |
| 00:34.36 | Amarande | guys |
| 00:34.47 | Amarande | let's let the copyright stuff be secondary to another, probably more important thing |
| 00:34.53 | Amarande | namely that *players enjoy using these addons* |
| 00:34.59 | Arrowmaster | fuck healbot users |
| 00:35.00 | Cloudwolf | Hmm consolidate buffs doesn't seem to work so well... |
| 00:35.09 | Amarande | let's not project our own sour grapes onto the playerbase? :) |
| 00:35.19 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: you are a year too late for that |
| 00:35.45 | Arrowmaster | ive been telling people to fuck off every time they ask for a cartographer or fubar update for over a year |
| 00:35.46 | Torhal | Amarande: Yeah, lets allow AddOn authors to trample the right of other authors so their users can have a good product! Yay! |
| 00:35.48 | Torhal | ... |
| 00:36.06 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: Which addon that you write is the one that's packaged with it? |
| 00:36.14 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: Why don't you like cartographer or fubar? |
| 00:36.19 | Arrowmaster | SharedMedia |
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| 00:36.30 | Arrowmaster | i love cartographer and fubar |
| 00:36.33 | Arrowmaster | i just hate people |
| 00:36.43 | Hirsute | Arrowmaster: Ah, okay. |
| 00:36.45 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 00:36.45 | Arrowmaster | i love that i get paid because of cartographer and fubar |
| 00:36.48 | jnwhiteh | i'm turning off my computer |
| 00:36.56 | jnwhiteh | don't want it on tonight =) |
| 00:36.59 | jnwhiteh | night all |
| 00:37.00 | Hirsute | What's the other ARR addon being distributed with HealBot Continued? |
| 00:37.08 | Torhal | SharedMediaAdditionalFonts |
| 00:37.22 | Shirik | so I think my server got deleted |
| 00:37.27 | Torhal | Shirik: Sorry |
| 00:37.38 | Lunessa | Night jnwhiteh |
| 00:37.42 | Hirsute | Torhal: Ah. Interesting. I have both of those disabled and HBC seems to function just fine. |
| 00:37.55 | Hirsute | Time to bug the author to stop distributing addons he doesn't have the authority to distribute. |
| 00:37.57 | MentalPower | night jnwhiteh |
| 00:38.03 | Amarande | Hmm, I wonder if Broker Repair ever fixed that potentially irritating bug. |
| 00:38.07 | Jerub | what's the deal with that. if they're ARR do they need to be distributed separaterly? does curse have a dependancy thing? |
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| 00:38.23 | Torhal | Shirik: Don't know if you'd want to take action as well, if you didn't see my previous typing |
| 00:38.27 | Hirsute | ARR means that you need permission from the author of the addon to redistribute it, Jerub. |
| 00:38.32 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:38.56 | Hirsute | (among other things) |
| 00:39.01 | mitchnull | aren't there ARR libs out there? that get packaged just fine without ppl yelling and deleting stuff? |
| 00:39.22 | Torhal | Shirik: I deleted the latest HealBot from Curse because it's distributing two All Rights Reserved AddOns without author permission |
| 00:39.35 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't matter what else happens elsewhere. If it's ARR, it shouldn't be packaged, and when responsible admins notice, they take action. |
| 00:39.43 | Jerub | my entire guild uses healbot. |
| 00:39.46 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Torhal. His job is hard. |
| 00:39.47 | Jerub | I'm the only clique user. |
| 00:40.09 | Jerub | and that's only because you guys told me to use it :) |
| 00:40.13 | Shirik | which are those Torhal? |
| 00:40.24 | Shirik | Jerub: I yell at people in my guild for using healbot :) |
| 00:40.34 | Lopeppeppy | I much prefer Clique to Healbot. |
| 00:40.36 | Jerub | i yell at people for healing instances without any addons |
| 00:40.47 | Torhal | Shirik: SharedMedia and SharedMediaAdditionalFonts |
| 00:40.49 | Jerub | ... after the first death/wipe |
| 00:40.54 | Cloudwolf | what does healbot/clique even do? |
| 00:41.26 | WobWork | assigns mouseclick events to unitframes |
| 00:41.30 | Jerub | Cloudwolf: do you ever heal? |
| 00:41.38 | WobWork | so you can cast heals with mouseclicks |
| 00:41.47 | Cloudwolf | i had a level 49 holy priest and then i server switched him and waiting for cata to make a new one |
| 00:41.53 | Amarande | sooooo ... |
| 00:41.55 | Jerub | Cloudwolf: it combines the 'target' and 'cast' actions into a single click. |
| 00:42.05 | Amarande | when Cata comes out, does that mean that non-DKs will finally be able to enter Acherus? :) |
| 00:42.14 | Cloudwolf | lol unlikeley |
| 00:42.23 | Cloudwolf | the magic 8 ball says you wish it tobad it wont be |
| 00:42.34 | Amarande | well, I don't see how they'll keep flying mounts from going in |
| 00:42.57 | Yssaril | Amarande: archers that shoot everyone in sight |
| 00:43.08 | Cloudwolf | loading screen |
| 00:43.08 | Lopeppeppy | Make it a no-flying zone. |
| 00:43.12 | Cloudwolf | into an instanced area that has no flying |
| 00:43.18 | Yssaril | make the areas npc's hostile to non DK's |
| 00:43.32 | Amarande | WTF, you can play Texas Hold'em in WoW? |
| 00:43.41 | Cloudwolf | although amarande why do you want to go there any way |
| 00:43.44 | Cloudwolf | not like they got jack |
| 00:43.46 | Dashkal | heh, didn't that addon come out back in TBC? |
| 00:43.48 | Lopeppeppy | There are those addons, yes Amarande. Been around a long time. |
| 00:44.28 | Cloudwolf | only reaosn a dk even goes to that place is for training and rune forge |
| 00:44.42 | Amarande | Cloudwolf: it's just that nagging I've-been-EVERYWHERE-BUT feeling. :) |
| 00:44.58 | Dashkal | I go there cause is where the cool kids are.... or every newbie who only rolled DK because it's a 55 at start. |
| 00:45.09 | Amarande | Especially since if I wander below it, I can actually see an unacquired flight path offered that I *can't get dammit* :P |
| 00:45.11 | Cloudwolf | lol amarande make a dk |
| 00:45.16 | Cloudwolf | and find out for yoruself how sad it is |
| 00:45.24 | Amarande | I've had DKs, I've seen it as one :) |
| 00:45.46 | Jerub | my favourite wow minigame is yoyo |
| 00:45.53 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 00:45.58 | Cloudwolf | hmm forge of souls regular doesn't seem to bad for gear requiremetn drops ilevel 219... |
| 00:46.00 | ccox | looks like most realms are up now |
| 00:46.01 | Amarande | tries to remember if there's anything significant addon-wise I haven't installed yet. |
| 00:46.03 | Jerub | seeing how close to 'empty' you can get the tanks health before hitting him with a full heal. |
| 00:46.15 | Cloudwolf | minion ftw |
| 00:46.23 | Cloudwolf | i should prolly go update my ark inventoy and such tho |
| 00:46.25 | Amarande | Jerub: I see vote kicks in your future :| |
| 00:46.31 | Cloudwolf | and auctioneer |
| 00:46.32 | Cloudwolf | heh forgot aobut that |
| 00:46.38 | Jerub | my guild is used to it by now. |
| 00:46.41 | Amarande | blah |
| 00:46.43 | Amarande | what's the addon called |
| 00:46.50 | Jerub | oooh, i've gotta try solo healing OS10 this week. |
| 00:46.51 | Amarande | that lets you alt-click ore to prospect it? |
| 00:46.54 | Jerub | that's been on my list for a while |
| 00:47.00 | Amarande | (and is there a version that also allows alt-clicking to DE and mill?) |
| 00:47.01 | Cloudwolf | hmm or i could just toc upate hte addons i use forcibly... |
| 00:47.43 | Hirsute | Heh. Just noticed the problems with Cartographer and the new Map. |
| 00:47.46 | Cloudwolf | yay |
| 00:47.47 | Shirik | WOW!! |
| 00:47.52 | Shirik | The new "World Server is Down" message is awesome |
| 00:47.54 | Cloudwolf | time to put an DONT dl on one of my addons till ic an fix it |
| 00:48.00 | Shirik | I'm not sure if this is a feature or a bug, but I totally vote for keeping |
| 00:48.00 | Amarande | ahh, there's the prospect/mill one |
| 00:48.14 | Amarande | is there also an easy-DE clicky addon anywhere, too? |
| 00:48.16 | MentalPower | Shirik: ? |
| 00:48.46 | Hirsute | Amarande: Enchantrix has auto-DE functionality. What exactly are you looking for? |
| 00:48.53 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/6e76d2e25c60d09edd44bd2b39dc029b.png |
| 00:49.05 | Shirik | happened 3/3 times now |
| 00:49.15 | Shirik | assuming 100% |
| 00:49.18 | ccox | whatever moron did the scrolling buff status text obviously didn't play a huntard |
| 00:49.29 | ccox | "sniper training fades" over and over and over |
| 00:49.42 | Amarande | Hirsute: something that lets me just like alt-click or whatever on the gear to be DEd |
| 00:49.49 | Amarande | like Molinari does for prospecting and milling |
| 00:49.49 | ccox | Amarande: you mean enchanrix? |
| 00:50.08 | Hirsute | ccox: I don't think it quite does that, does it? |
| 00:50.18 | Hirsute | (I like what it does better...) |
| 00:50.30 | ccox | no, no alt-click for DE, just auto DE/mill/prospect |
| 00:50.54 | Yssaril | on the wowinterface svn do tags get packaged or do you have to use the web interface? |
| 00:51.11 | *** part/#wowuidev mitchnull (n=mitchnul@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 00:51.18 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 00:53.09 | Cloudwolf | I feel stupid asking but where in the hell is the forge of souls located? |
| 00:53.51 | Jerub | Cloudwolf: ICC |
| 00:53.54 | Jerub | one would assume. |
| 00:55.19 | Cloudwolf | hmm arn't there quests that lead up to it? |
| 00:55.46 | kd3 | there are. it starts in dalaran |
| 00:56.08 | Cloudwolf | k |
| 00:56.29 | Jerub | next to north bank |
| 00:56.35 | Cloudwolf | hmm Its gonna be a pain to deal with a new lfg system lol |
| 00:56.50 | kd3 | no, not next to north bank. they path around the city |
| 00:56.58 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/LFG |
| 00:57.01 | kd3 | walkthrough ^ |
| 00:57.44 | Cloudwolf | hmm i cna only queue up for a specific lichking heroic or normal no raids hmm |
| 00:57.57 | kd3 | that's a different interface |
| 00:58.06 | Cloudwolf | Oh realy... |
| 00:58.08 | Cloudwolf | and how does one open that |
| 00:58.20 | kd3 | character sheet -> raid tab -> raid browser |
| 00:58.51 | Cloudwolf | Uh Social sheet? |
| 00:58.59 | kd3 | w/e |
| 00:59.16 | Cloudwolf | :P found it ty |
| 00:59.19 | Hirsute | Bah, where do I find the option to enable/disable mouseover on the Blizz quest tracker? |
| 01:01.21 | kd3 | interface options? or the top tab of the quest tracker? |
| 01:02.01 | Hirsute | I can't find it there. |
| 01:02.08 | Hirsute | I specifically am trying to resize the thing, but I can't get it to be clickable. |
| 01:02.40 | ScytheBlade1 | this 3.3 download is taking WAY too long |
| 01:02.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I think it is time for... the script |
| 01:02.53 | kd3 | grr |
| 01:03.07 | bleeter | oO did MVP's get new forum avatars? |
| 01:03.09 | kd3 | the launcher keeps trying to make the wow directory 050 |
| 01:03.10 | kd3 | yes |
| 01:03.30 | bleeter | 050? lolol |
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| 01:04.04 | bleeter | kd3: thx, thought I was imagining stuffs :) |
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| 01:04.54 | ScytheBlade1 | def BinarySearchMax(host, path, min=0, max=10000): return 5695 |
| 01:05.01 | ScytheBlade1 | well that isn't very useful |
| 01:05.55 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I hard-coded the file size into my script |
| 01:06.28 | ScytheBlade1 | And now I see why, my size detection is hard broke |
| 01:06.35 | Dagmar | heh |
| 01:06.55 | Dagmar | Oh come on, just read the whole file into a string, or count it one char at a time |
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| 01:07.26 | ScytheBlade1 | little hard to do with HTTP chunks |
| 01:08.06 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (i=smcn@c-67-166-76-157.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 01:09.03 | Dagmar | Nothing's preserving that information from the first few bits of the HTTP response? |
| 01:09.09 | Dagmar | Lame |
| 01:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | No, as in I have to make one http request per chunk |
| 01:09.35 | ScytheBlade1 | And there are thousands of chunks |
| 01:09.42 | ScytheBlade1 | (BT over HTTP...) |
| 01:09.54 | kd3 | looks at his patch chunk downloader script |
| 01:10.15 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: know the full path for this one, by chance? |
| 01:10.19 | Jerub | or just download the whole lot off that guys linode from yesterday |
| 01:10.23 | ScytheBlade1 | admittedly, so I can show off my connection speed in a few minutes |
| 01:10.38 | Jerub | 16:41 < batrick> Link to the wow background loader data for 3.3: http://www.batbytes.com/torrents/Updates |
| 01:10.38 | Dagmar | ...or just download the thing from RapidShare |
| 01:10.41 | kd3 | neg, already in the patching stage. lemme finish the patch and I'll fire up wireshark when I try again |
| 01:10.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't want the torrent |
| 01:10.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I want the HTTP path |
| 01:11.03 | ScytheBlade1 | and np @ kd3 |
| 01:11.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I /should/ have it by then |
| 01:11.25 | ScytheBlade1 | sighs at 90kB/sec wireshark download |
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| 01:13.07 | bleeter | get the update from http://games.on.net/filelist.php?app=178&menu=1 |
| 01:13.08 | VonhintenHOME` | Anyone know what the deal is with this: ...ace\AddOns\MikScrollingBattleText\MSBTAnimations.lua line 107: |
| 01:13.09 | VonhintenHOME` | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.22 | bleeter | has the two preloader parts, so if you need just the second |
| 01:13.26 | bleeter | also has the full patch |
| 01:13.35 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 01:13.39 | Shirik | none of my group could find the instance |
| 01:13.45 | Shirik | so we just used the dungeon finder |
| 01:13.46 | ScytheBlade1 | they had a daily |
| 01:13.48 | Shirik | so cheating |
| 01:13.57 | kd3 | zone map: first c in 'icecrown citadel' |
| 01:14.20 | WobWork | i-c-ecrown citadel? |
| 01:14.26 | kd3 | yes |
| 01:14.36 | kd3 | and yay, wide-screen loading screens |
| 01:14.37 | kd3 | <3 |
| 01:14.49 | bleeter | kd3: yes, yay.. finally proper widescreen support >< |
| 01:15.59 | ScytheBlade1 | here we are |
| 01:16.01 | ScytheBlade1 | /us/wow/patch/3-3/WoW-3.2.2.10505-to-3.3.0.10958-enUS-patch.exe/2079 |
| 01:16.42 | Dagmar | I wonder how long the majority of the player base has been on LCD 16:10 panels |
| 01:18.06 | Arrowmaster | im still on a 5 year old 4:3 LCD |
| 01:18.17 | Arrowmaster | but i dont think i still count as part of the player base |
| 01:18.18 | Dagmar | Weeeird |
| 01:18.39 | Arrowmaster | but they seem to still be getting my money so i guess i do |
| 01:18.48 | Arrowmaster | i really need to cancel that account |
| 01:19.10 | VonhintenHOME` | Anyone else getting strange sound problems? repeating sound of some clicking noise |
| 01:19.18 | VonhintenHOME` | some addon is doing it |
| 01:20.10 | Kraps | occulus is still annoying as fuck |
| 01:20.26 | Jerub | Kraps: at least it's easier. |
| 01:22.09 | Kraps | idk, we wiped |
| 01:22.17 | Kraps | on the last guy |
| 01:22.46 | Jerub | Kraps: lol. learn2dragon |
| 01:22.47 | Jerub | :) |
| 01:23.00 | Jerub | Kraps: what drake were you on? |
| 01:23.06 | Kraps | dps |
| 01:23.07 | ScytheBlade1 | 713727841 bytes for this patch (PC, enUS) sound right? |
| 01:23.38 | Arrowmaster | arrow@tohsaka:/opt/World of Warcraft% ls -al |
| 01:23.38 | Arrowmaster | ls: cannot open directory .: Permission denied |
| 01:23.42 | Arrowmaster | dont know cant tell you |
| 01:23.44 | ScytheBlade1 | failboat |
| 01:23.52 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: sounds close |
| 01:25.07 | kd3 | arrow; run wow directly, don't run the launcher |
| 01:25.15 | bleeter | haha I aint done occy since beta |
| 01:25.15 | bleeter | and refuse to |
| 01:25.16 | Amarande | uh-oh |
| 01:25.17 | Amarande | http://pastebin.com/d5404ab5b |
| 01:25.22 | Amarande | is questguru no longer usable in 3.3? |
| 01:25.43 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i havent run wow since october i dont run it enough to give a damn |
| 01:25.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: What do you think? |
| 01:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 01:26.13 | ScytheBlade1 | "Any machine is able to register itself with the tracker and say it has any content, regardless of whether it does or not, and regardless of whether it's even running BitTorrent. That's how the guy got his printer DMCA'd - he manually registered his printer's IP address with one or more trackers." |
| 01:26.25 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm not exactly sure what's breaking, so I'm not sure. |
| 01:26.51 | Dagmar | Amarande: Either it works, or it doesn't. |
| 01:27.00 | Amarande | Great, I have to find a new quest log addon again *sigh* |
| 01:27.12 | Kraps | we got him |
| 01:27.16 | Dagmar | I'd say judging from that paste, it's not likely to be working |
| 01:27.31 | Amarande | what'd 3.3 break this time in quest log addons? |
| 01:27.40 | Dagmar | God forbid you have to just SUCK IT UP AND KILL THINGS |
| 01:27.45 | Dagmar | Less QQ more PEWPEW |
| 01:28.05 | Amarande | actually, the main reason I use a quest log addon is |
| 01:28.19 | Dagmar | You can't spend _all_ your time complaining about the game? |
| 01:28.23 | Amarande | a) an improved tracker that I can move, therefore not having to ensure that there's specifically space in the upper right like Blizzard's |
| 01:28.34 | Amarande | b) so I can see quest levels, which Blizz's default log doesn't do :P |
| 01:28.51 | Amarande | however, I seem to have this horrible luck that every other patch or so the quest log addon I use gets b0rked by something stupid. |
| 01:28.54 | Dagmar | Perhaps you're new to the idea of a PTR |
| 01:29.14 | Dagmar | I might be mistaken, but I think at least one, if not both of those features is part of the new client. |
| 01:30.04 | Dagmar | Just install Zorba's mod and be done with it |
| 01:31.45 | Amarande | QH does that? |
| 01:32.17 | kd3 | oh wow. that's an error message I haven't seen in a while: "a character with that name already exists" |
| 01:32.46 | Amarande | kd3: what triggers that? |
| 01:32.57 | kd3 | getting disconnected and trying to log in too quickly |
| 01:33.12 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, I thought they did away with that entirely |
| 01:33.38 | Amarande | maybe most computers just can't re-login that quickly |
| 01:34.23 | Dagmar | Amarande: Her'es an idea. Try it and see. Considering that it's one of the most popular addons on ALL the addon sites it's at, it's not like I'm saying "OH LOL U SHUL INSTALL MAGICFARTGNOMEUI!" |
| 01:34.39 | Yssaril | Amarande: its when the server doesn't see you disconnect so it thinks your still in the world |
| 01:34.43 | Amarande | Dagmar: Installed it. |
| 01:34.45 | Amarande | Oh, shit. |
| 01:34.47 | Amarande | X-Perl is broken |
| 01:34.53 | Amarande | Shit. |
| 01:34.58 | kd3 | what else is new? x-perl breaks every patch |
| 01:35.08 | Dagmar | It does pretty much bloody everything, and as much as some people carp about doing Blizz's UI work for them, Zorba's probably someone they should have just hired long ago |
| 01:35.15 | Cloudwolf_ | shadowuf is updated |
| 01:35.19 | Cloudwolf_ | looks like xperl just more customization |
| 01:35.23 | Amarande | Dagmar: probably it's a good thing they didn't |
| 01:35.35 | Amarande | there's a tendency for things you enjoy and have a passion for to completely lose their luster once they become your j-o-b |
| 01:35.36 | Cloudwolf_ | *shadowed |
| 01:35.39 | Dagmar | He's like the one dev I think isn't on swampy ground with those kinds of sttements |
| 01:35.41 | Shadowed | what |
| 01:35.42 | Shadowed | I didn't do it |
| 01:35.45 | Shadowed | oh |
| 01:35.46 | Shadowed | yes I did |
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| 01:36.08 | Amarande | this is just making me say one thing now |
| 01:36.11 | Amarande | curse client F T W |
| 01:36.18 | kd3 | if it'd work in linux |
| 01:36.19 | kd3 | sure |
| 01:36.46 | Amarande | kd3: it doesn't work with ... oh wait. fucking .net. |
| 01:37.05 | Dagmar | No, I suspect the reason is "fucking Silverlight" |
| 01:37.26 | Amarande | Dagmar: there are silverlight implementations for linux |
| 01:37.33 | Amarande | there is not, however, to my knowledge a .net one |
| 01:37.34 | Dagmar | Something being in C# hasn't alone been enough to make it not able to be used under Linux |
| 01:37.43 | Dagmar | Amarande: WTF do you think Mono is? |
| 01:37.51 | Amarande | I'm not sure how well the silverlight stuff in linux *works*, but it's there |
| 01:37.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Some disease. |
| 01:38.16 | Dagmar | Amarande: http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page |
| 01:38.35 | Dagmar | "Mono is a cross platform, open source .NET development framework." |
| 01:38.48 | kd3 | which doesn't handle what the curse is trying to use |
| 01:39.06 | Cloudwolf_ | Hmm i ahve to figure out why ic ant rpess these buttons here ugh |
| 01:39.15 | Dagmar | ...which I'm guessing has got to be Silverlight, since that bit is very much still locking people into Windows |
| 01:39.21 | Dagmar | ...which I assume was part of their plan. |
| 01:39.39 | Dagmar | Get people coding in some new language, then extend it so they have to only do it on Windows |
| 01:39.46 | kd3 | grr additional instances can't be launched |
| 01:39.48 | kd3 | damn you blizz |
| 01:39.49 | kd3 | damn you |
| 01:39.57 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 01:40.01 | Dagmar | ks3: Blame all the kiddies frantically running heroics |
| 01:40.01 | Renathi | ..DX |
| 01:40.01 | cbreak | mono is a waste of time at the moment |
| 01:40.04 | NeoTron | their pug group system is too good |
| 01:40.06 | Renathi | Cartographer's still not update? |
| 01:40.29 | kd3 | it's been updated on curse |
| 01:40.30 | kd3 | ? |
| 01:40.31 | Amarande | you know, most of these breakages seem to be |
| 01:40.40 | Amarande | "Foo attempted to call method Bar (a nil value)" |
| 01:40.46 | Renathi | Nope. |
| 01:40.52 | Renathi | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/cartographer.aspx Last update was four months ago. |
| 01:40.53 | Amarande | did 3.3's UI changes involve a massive amount of *removal of functionality*? |
| 01:40.58 | Dagmar | Amarande: You should probably stop typing now |
| 01:41.02 | Renathi | >>; |
| 01:41.14 | Cloudwolf_ | Ok hmm thsi makes no sense ot me WHY the buttons have broken on here |
| 01:41.20 | Amarande | Dagmar: you should probably stop being abusive now |
| 01:41.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: probably, but really, crap breaks *every patch* |
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| 01:41.41 | Dagmar | Amarande: You're making it sound like you've never ever seen an error float up out of the client before, dude. |
| 01:41.42 | ScytheBlade1 | this should be expected by now |
| 01:42.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm trying to figure out which of my addons are b0rked and why. |
| 01:42.16 | cbreak | Simple addons like the ones I write seem to work without patching over many months |
| 01:42.22 | Dagmar | A rather LARGE amount of breakage _always_ looks like that because that's what you get when a variable no longer exists that someone tried to call. |
| 01:42.43 | Dagmar | Go shove an extra 'q' in a variable name somewhere and load the addon |
| 01:42.52 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm trying to figure out just how much stuff got "no longer existed" |
| 01:43.02 | Amarande | looks like ButtonFacade doesn't work anymore either. |
| 01:43.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Only way to figure that out is to research it |
| 01:43.12 | ScytheBlade1 | or, read the UI diffs. |
| 01:43.20 | Dagmar | ~ScytheBlade1++ |
| 01:43.26 | cbreak | what names seem to be missing? |
| 01:43.56 | cbreak | maybe you can put your own function into the variable that is attempted to be called |
| 01:44.02 | cbreak | and print a backtrace from there |
| 01:44.05 | Cloudwolf_ | Is there a reason a button becomes unclickable when its over another frame thats open?(even though the button shows ontop of the said toher frame showing) |
| 01:44.09 | cbreak | so you find out who called you in all glory |
| 01:44.27 | NeoTron | so got end user confirmation that his MagicRunes data saving issue (it didn't save) was due to a corrupt MagicRunes.lua.bak in SavedVariables |
| 01:44.35 | NeoTron | wtb /report bug to Blizzard |
| 01:44.59 | cbreak | how corrupt? |
| 01:45.00 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm stuck in an instance loading screen that won't fix itself, or boot me out... |
| 01:45.02 | NeoTron | pretty serious bug that the contents of the backup file can prevent any module saving |
| 01:45.03 | VonhintenHOME` | 20 minutes now |
| 01:45.10 | kd3 | alt-f4 and try again |
| 01:45.14 | NeoTron | cbreak: in my case, I had a file consisting of 200 or so null characters |
| 01:45.21 | Dagmar | Are you sure the file was corrupt and that it wasn't broken ACLs keeping it from being replaced? |
| 01:45.30 | NeoTron | of course I'm sure. it was filled with nulls |
| 01:45.34 | Dagmar | Amarande: As to the whole Mono thing... Note well http://www.pastebin.org/62432 |
| 01:45.41 | NeoTron | which on occasion happens if wow crashes |
| 01:45.49 | Amarande | btw, how hard is FoS? |
| 01:45.52 | cbreak | I've never had it |
| 01:45.55 | Amarande | people are already asking for "geared" DPS |
| 01:45.59 | NeoTron | even so, being unable to replace the backup file also shouldn't prevent saving |
| 01:45.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: That's the build script the Dropline GNOME project uses to build the Mono package. |
| 01:46.04 | cbreak | but why is the content of the bakup file even read? |
| 01:46.27 | Amarande | hmm, looks like stuff stopped breaking, yay. |
| 01:46.27 | NeoTron | I suspect they do a diff and only create a new backup if they differ |
| 01:46.34 | Dagmar | Amarande: Notice mah name up there in the top. This i sbecause I built that whole lot more than a few times, which involved testing it to make sure it actually worked. |
| 01:47.06 | NeoTron | at least now I know what to say if people are having issues with data not saving |
| 01:47.06 | Cloudwolf_ | So no one can tell me of an experiene wehre a butotn shows over another frame yet the button cannot be clicked? |
| 01:47.39 | cbreak | Are you sure it's not that a button is painted over a frame it is behind? |
| 01:47.43 | Dagmar | NeoTron: So, both copies were corrupt then, not just the backup? |
| 01:47.46 | Legorol | Amarande: normal FoS is about on par with heroic ToC5, and heroic FoS is a challenge in 232 gear |
| 01:48.30 | Cloudwolf_ | im checking the stack atm i think there on the same frame level which is most likelyt he conflicting reason |
| 01:48.30 | Legorol | at least in my experience on the PTR |
| 01:49.44 | Cloudwolf_ | yeah that was the issue |
| 01:49.45 | bleeter | Legorol: how long 'til they nerf it? ;) |
| 01:49.52 | bleeter | wanna take bets? |
| 01:50.01 | Amarande | hmm, shadowuf is shiny. |
| 01:50.07 | Amarande | except for one niggling thing. |
| 01:50.21 | Cloudwolf_ | whats that amarane? |
| 01:50.25 | Cloudwolf_ | Also i meant shadowed uf |
| 01:50.29 | Amarande | yeah. |
| 01:50.47 | Amarande | why do things never stay where I put them? I drag the frames and then they get dropped off somewhere close to, but always significantly and uglily different from where I let go |
| 01:50.58 | Shadowed | go update from the alpha version on wowace |
| 01:51.13 | Shadowed | it's a bug if you have UIScale disabled |
| 01:51.51 | Cloudwolf_ | Oh hey i didn't know you were in here Shadowed heh |
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| 01:52.17 | Cloudwolf_ | Did you ever look into detecting wether or not your in wintergrasp as an option for custom display rules? |
| 01:52.41 | Shadowed | not really no, still on the list |
| 01:53.31 | Cloudwolf_ | Alright. I hope it wont give you too much trouble when you get to it |
| 01:54.10 | Shadowed | doubt it |
| 01:54.42 | Cloudwolf_ | Also if your editing a frames level in a lua file (frame:SetFrameLevel(number)) will a simple reload suffice or do you have to completley exit wow for it to take effect? |
| 01:55.49 | Shadowed | reload |
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| 01:57.11 | cbreak | you have to completely restart wow only for new files |
| 01:57.14 | cbreak | or toc changes |
| 01:57.34 | Trela | WoW 3.3 Mac = Unplayable. |
| 01:57.40 | cbreak | :/ |
| 01:57.43 | cbreak | what did they do? |
| 01:58.20 | VonhintenHOME` | they fuck up the OGL replacement? |
| 01:58.30 | Amarande | yay, think I got my UI nice more quickly than ever this time. |
| 01:58.36 | cbreak | OGL? |
| 01:58.50 | Trela | The client ignores SET useDesktopMouseSpeed "1". So... it uses what ever speed the game decides. For me, I open WoW, move the mouse barely, and the pointer goes from one side of the screen to the other. For others, they have to run a marathon with the mouse to move a pixel. |
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| 01:59.11 | cbreak | even in windowed mode? |
| 01:59.16 | cbreak | I always play in windowed fullscreen |
| 01:59.18 | VonhintenHOME` | OGL = OpenGL |
| 01:59.18 | Trela | The sad part is that when closing the client, it does not reset the speed. Yes, even in windowed mode. |
| 01:59.27 | cbreak | so I can cmd-tab to other virtual screens |
| 01:59.45 | cbreak | hmm. |
| 01:59.46 | cbreak | sucks |
| 02:00.26 | Trela | Also the "Character randomly continues to run" even if you smack the direction key they are running in fifty times. |
| 02:00.54 | cbreak | I see myself wiping the raid countless times :( |
| 02:01.11 | adam` | wow in mac is fine for me |
| 02:01.19 | adam` | sorry, that's not helping |
| 02:01.21 | cbreak | which OS? |
| 02:01.37 | adam` | 10.5.8 |
| 02:01.38 | Trela | This is for the OS X client only. |
| 02:01.43 | adam` | os x |
| 02:03.08 | Trela | The SET useDesktopMouseSpeed was a hack they put in around WoW 2.x when they put in the mouse speed functions. It does not have a GUI setting component and can only be set by editing the text file. They probably forgot about it again when messing with the control input. |
| 02:03.09 | adam` | haha yeah you have autorun randomly happen too? |
| 02:03.36 | adam` | autorun should be nice in instances |
| 02:03.58 | cbreak | at least in instances it's easy to stop |
| 02:04.04 | cbreak | by running into the nearest wall |
| 02:04.18 | cbreak | ah well, hope they fix it before they roll out the patch over here :) |
| 02:04.47 | Trela | <Trela> WEEEE! I'm going to see the Wizard of Oz! <Alexia> NO NO! STOP RUNNING! <Trela> *Pulls half the zone.* |
| 02:04.47 | Dagmar | I dunno about you guys but I'm very glad to see "Stop attacking when changing targets." |
| 02:04.48 | Trela | o.o |
| 02:05.09 | Trela | Dagmar: That is old. |
| 02:05.34 | cbreak | Attacking? |
| 02:05.41 | cbreak | plays a hard class without auto attack |
| 02:06.07 | cogwheel | http://www.georgehart.com/bagel/bagel.html |
| 02:06.15 | Dagmar | Old or not maybe it'll actually work now |
| 02:06.40 | Dagmar | I for one just LOVE having it fire off a shot when I hit tab |
| 02:07.13 | Trela | barfs. |
| 02:07.19 | Trela | Vertical sync is broken. |
| 02:07.57 | cbreak | stop breaking sheeps. |
| 02:08.45 | MentalPower | Trela: and here I thought it was just my machine that decided to keep my char running |
| 02:08.52 | Dagmar | If I broke sheeps it wouldn't be a problem, since it's my gf sitting right next to me poly'ing things into frogs and kittens |
| 02:09.08 | Dagmar | It's when the thing decides to fire that wild shot at something way off to the left that gets my goat |
| 02:10.11 | Trela | MentalPower: It is one part WoW's fault and one part Apple's fault. Apple's drivers, for some fucktard reason, decide to reset USB keyboard/HIDs every once and a while. This causes the last key you were pressing to get "stuck" down until you press it again. |
| 02:10.27 | cogwheel | did anyone else notice the ironforge character selection background changed? |
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| 02:10.38 | MentalPower | and how come it surfaced now? |
| 02:10.59 | Cloudwolf_ | ok this is driving me mad |
| 02:11.04 | MentalPower | I noticed the BC login screen changed (tho it might've been ages ago and I've just noticed) |
| 02:11.11 | Dagmar | cogwheel: What do you mean? Things looked the same to be on the PTR yesterday evening |
| 02:11.20 | Trela | It used to be in there, but they wrote some thing that fixed it for WoW or least was smart enough to know the reset happened. |
| 02:11.24 | cogwheel | Dagmar: i never went on the ptr... |
| 02:11.34 | Cloudwolf_ | i seem to be unable to set the damn framestack of the frame i want hgiher thant he paper doll frame even when using SetFrameLevel(PaperDollFrame:GetFrameLevel()+1) |
| 02:11.36 | Cloudwolf_ | ... |
| 02:11.56 | MentalPower | Cloudwolf_: are they on the same stratum> |
| 02:11.58 | MentalPower | ? |
| 02:11.58 | Dagmar | cogwheel: Well, I suppose I'll look again tonight when I get home. I didn't notice anything different beyond my tabard being all grey and unattractive |
| 02:12.05 | Cloudwolf_ | I wouldn't know time to cehck |
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| 02:12.23 | cogwheel | Dagmar: it seems like i'm standing further from the entrance and the scene is foggier |
| 02:12.37 | Amarande | gah, our battlegroup sucks |
| 02:12.48 | Amarande | I think it took less time to make groups -before- dungeon finder |
| 02:12.52 | MentalPower | cogwheel: its also foggier in SW |
| 02:13.11 | cogwheel | wonder if it's supposed to hint at the coming cataclysm? |
| 02:13.33 | cogwheel | or maybe show off more art on the character creation screens? :P |
| 02:14.14 | Trela | Hell, WoW Mac client fails to even recognize half the buttons on mice any more. |
| 02:14.57 | cbreak | Your mouse has buttons? :) |
| 02:15.00 | Cloudwolf_ | MentalPower thank you i just set the strata to high i never specified the frame i wanteds strata so it was conflict there |
| 02:15.07 | Cloudwolf_ | time to upload a fixed version! |
| 02:15.24 | Trela | I use a MX510. |
| 02:15.44 | cbreak | shame on you... Not using what apple provided... :) |
| 02:15.53 | Trela | It will only recognize the extra buttons once, then you have to tab out and back in for them to be recognized again. |
| 02:16.13 | Dagmar | Seriously? |
| 02:16.18 | Dagmar | How can they fail that hard at USB mice? |
| 02:16.36 | Trela | I am serious. |
| 02:16.56 | Trela | This was all working perfectly before the patch. It was even reported as an issue on the PTR. |
| 02:16.58 | cbreak | I wonder how blizz can screw up that... |
| 02:17.04 | MentalPower | Cloudwolf_: BTW, try not to change a frame's stratum, just set it once at creation and leave it there |
| 02:17.21 | Trela | Basically it causes game breaking issues for it. Normally I do not demand hot fixes, but this really needs one. |
| 02:17.33 | tem | oy |
| 02:17.44 | Cloudwolf_ | MentlaPower i didn't change the default frames strata |
| 02:17.48 | Cloudwolf_ | i just defined mine on a higher level |
| 02:17.50 | Shirik | bop it |
| 02:17.52 | Shirik | twist it |
| 02:17.53 | tem | these surprize trash packs are... |
| 02:17.54 | Shirik | pull it |
| 02:17.55 | Shirik | pass it |
| 02:18.01 | tem | Dear Blizzard, I don't like surprize trash |
| 02:18.03 | tem | thanks |
| 02:18.07 | Shirik | dodododododo |
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| 02:19.10 | cbreak | as long as I don't have to aoe or loot, I can fight without the mouse. Well, maybe the problem's not with 10.6 |
| 02:19.43 | KarlKFI | i've had the problem since uppgrading to 10.6 |
| 02:19.53 | KarlKFI | even on the previous wow patch |
| 02:20.08 | VonhintenHOME` | MSBT is bufu and fubar |
| 02:20.57 | cbreak | Great... the only pre-10.6 machine I have is running 10.4.11 on a 867MHz ppc cpu :( |
| 02:21.00 | Shirik | bops tem |
| 02:21.18 | cbreak | I raided with that thing in Molten Core... I doubt it'd work these days. |
| 02:21.26 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 02:21.35 | kd3 | everyone just got dropped from their groups |
| 02:22.45 | KarlKFI | the new instances are overfull, no one can get in |
| 02:23.05 | Shirik | the new instances are awesome |
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| 02:34.28 | Jerub | uh, i'm talking about the proof of demise: raid quest. |
| 02:34.33 | Jerub | not my guild. |
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| 02:35.21 | MentalPower | Renathi: a 5 digit number has to be changed, without it the mod cannot load without being forced |
| 02:36.07 | MentalPower | Renathi: also the mod community does not fall apart, we're quite used to this by now (at least I am) |
| 02:37.09 | Jerub | unless you're taling about the shitfight about wowmatrix being suck and addons being removed from curse for violating licenses. |
| 02:37.24 | cbreak | licenses? |
| 02:37.42 | cbreak | most addons I've seen didn't even bother to state a license |
| 02:38.10 | Lopeppeppy | The ones that do, the mods of the addon sites tend to try to take seriously and respect. |
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| 02:47.18 | tem | oh boy marrowgar is hard |
| 02:47.20 | tem | sigh |
| 02:47.30 | tem | well first boss down, yays >.> |
| 02:48.29 | Dagmar | I don't even see why people complain about the TOC number anymore |
| 02:48.38 | Dagmar | It's called strict versioning. It's been going on for ages and ages. |
| 02:48.53 | Dagmar | It's there so that authors can't complain "OMG the API was changed and no one told me" |
| 02:49.03 | Dagmar | If the number has changed, your code may have broken. |
| 02:49.10 | tem | 741 spell power dagger dropped |
| 02:49.13 | tem | neat |
| 02:49.31 | cbreak | staves > daggers |
| 02:49.40 | cbreak | less danger to cut fingers off by accident. |
| 02:49.55 | Dagmar | It's not like this is tcl, which had a wonderful tendency to change it's _syntax_ for commands during a teeny revision that was reflected by nothing you could detect from within your code |
| 02:50.06 | Dagmar | That was FUN |
| 02:50.12 | DJJeff | how come I can't login to thorium brotherhood? |
| 02:50.28 | cbreak | Servers are down for 3.3 patch |
| 02:50.34 | DJJeff | still? |
| 02:50.39 | Dagmar | Have you considered the server-status page? |
| 02:50.48 | Dagmar | Some people believe it exists |
| 02:51.05 | cbreak | http://www.wow-europe.com/realmstatus/index.html :) |
| 02:51.30 | Dagmar | Thorium Brotherhood is apparently a US server, which they claim is up |
| 02:51.42 | DJJeff | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/ |
| 02:51.42 | Dagmar | ...but it's an RP server, so it's not like anyone cares. ;) |
| 02:51.56 | DJJeff | the only server thats down is Thrall |
| 02:51.58 | Dagmar | Always give it 10 minutes |
| 02:51.59 | ZorbaBeta | dammit, halls of reflection crash after clearing the first room :( |
| 02:52.19 | Dagmar | Seems like it can not be expected to be updated outside of about that long |
| 02:52.28 | cbreak | ZorbaBeta: 7 years bad luck |
| 02:53.03 | MentalPower | cbreak: if they don't state a license then its simple, its automatically ARR and you can't publish it elsewhere |
| 02:53.35 | cbreak | without a license, you can't do anything with it technically |
| 02:53.42 | cbreak | at least not legaly :) |
| 02:54.20 | ZorbaBeta | it could be argued that if they have it up for public download, then you are implicitly allowed to download it and run it |
| 02:54.56 | Dagmar | More than could be |
| 02:55.16 | Jerub | isn't there a requirement that addons be under free licenses? |
| 02:55.22 | Dagmar | There's a great degree to which the WWW _would not work_ if that were not a legally accepted assumption |
| 02:55.24 | Lopeppeppy | No, there is not. |
| 02:55.31 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, true |
| 02:55.43 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, there is a requirement that addons be freely downloadable, but there's nothing about their license |
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| 02:56.45 | cbreak | I could legally sell my addons for lots of money |
| 02:56.56 | cbreak | under any license I want |
| 02:57.01 | cbreak | because I wrote them myself |
| 02:57.01 | cogwheel | yes you could. |
| 02:57.03 | Dagmar | Let's hope you would ask for lots of money |
| 02:57.06 | A-KO | I found a black hole in wow |
| 02:57.15 | Dagmar | They inevitable lawsuit might be expensive to defend against. |
| 02:57.23 | cbreak | but if I upload them on wowinterface or what ever |
| 02:57.31 | cbreak | I have to agree the ToS of that page |
| 02:57.42 | cbreak | and I think they include that they get the right to distribute it |
| 02:57.48 | cbreak | what lawsuit? |
| 02:57.50 | DWSR | Do reflections reflect AE damage back to the caster? |
| 02:58.00 | ZorbaBeta | I don't think Blizzard could actually sue you |
| 02:58.05 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 02:58.07 | ZorbaBeta | there's no contract that has been entered into |
| 02:58.12 | cbreak | what does this have to do with blizzard? |
| 02:58.19 | ZorbaBeta | they *could* ban your addon |
| 02:58.20 | Dagmar | This is the US. Anyone can sue anyone. |
| 02:58.22 | Dagmar | At any time. |
| 02:58.23 | DWSR | Do reflections reflect AE damage back to the caster? |
| 02:58.33 | ZorbaBeta | and/or threaten to ban anyone who uses it |
| 02:58.34 | cbreak | this is not the us :) |
| 02:58.50 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, sure, but if it's obviously frivolous, you can countersue. and I don't think blizzard would be dumb enough to try that. |
| 02:58.53 | cogwheel | Dagmar: would be MUCH cheaper for them to just block the addon in question |
| 02:59.03 | Dagmar | Ah so nothing to stop them just handling the problem by reporting you for IP violations three times. No more interenets for you |
| 02:59.08 | cbreak | blocking addons is very difficult |
| 02:59.35 | ZorbaBeta | cbreak, not really. just block the name. then, if you intentionally circumvent that, they have slightly better grounds for a lawsuit. |
| 02:59.50 | cbreak | they have no ground for a lawsuit |
| 03:00.07 | cbreak | I am legally entitled to make my program work with theirs |
| 03:00.17 | Jerub | cbreak: ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha |
| 03:00.24 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 03:00.27 | Jerub | laughs all the way to his lunchbreak. |
| 03:00.30 | cbreak | there's even a dissasembly clause in the copyright law over here |
| 03:00.38 | Jerub | wait, sweeden? |
| 03:00.41 | ZorbaBeta | cbreak, well, that starts being the "not the US" clause :) |
| 03:00.57 | ZorbaBeta | around here, that *does* start getting into the point where it's not obviously frivolous. they'd probably still lose, if you could afford to defend yourself. |
| 03:00.59 | Jerub | I love you guys, keep up the good work. |
| 03:01.45 | cbreak | blizzard has no legal control with third party authors, they only have contracts with their users |
| 03:01.50 | cbreak | they could ban people for using an addon |
| 03:01.56 | cbreak | but not someone for making one |
| 03:02.31 | cbreak | there's neither a contract nor a law violated :) |
| 03:02.37 | Dagmar | Ah yes, now enters "Torturious Interference" |
| 03:02.40 | cogwheel | cbreak: ^ |
| 03:02.47 | cogwheel | Dagmar: thanks for saving me the typing :P |
| 03:02.54 | Dagmar | They actually _can_ sue you if what you're doing directly interferes with a user's ability to adhere to the ToS |
| 03:03.03 | cbreak | what's that? |
| 03:03.06 | Dagmar | It's well-established, even outside the US |
| 03:03.15 | cogwheel | *nodmmhmm* |
| 03:03.22 | Lopeppeppy | spells it Torturous Interference. INAL is unexciting. |
| 03:03.28 | cbreak | users aren't forced to download an addon |
| 03:03.38 | Dagmar | It means if your primary business function is directly interfering with someoen else's primary business function, they cna sue you and take your underwear |
| 03:03.43 | cogwheel | though they'd have to ban USING for-pay addons for it to work right |
| 03:03.45 | DJJeff | how do I get the loading screen forced into 1080p HD ? |
| 03:04.06 | Arrowmaster | impossible |
| 03:04.15 | Dagmar | That lame-ass with the bot software got hit for pretty tall dollars over that |
| 03:04.42 | Dagmar | DJJeff: First, set your game res to 1920x1080 |
| 03:04.42 | cogwheel | and if they didn't ban users for using for-pay addons, then you can counterclaim that they weren't intending to enforce it, hence there was nothing for you to interfere with |
| 03:04.51 | Arrowmaster | since 1080p HD is a TV resolution not a computer resolution |
| 03:05.06 | Dagmar | Well, there's monitors that do that. I bought one recently. It's weird |
| 03:05.17 | Arrowmaster | its still not 1080p HD |
| 03:05.27 | Arrowmaster | its just a shitty 1920x1080 monitor |
| 03:05.40 | cbreak | as long as it has 1080 progressive lines... :) |
| 03:05.55 | Arrowmaster | but its not HD! |
| 03:06.03 | cbreak | why not? |
| 03:06.13 | cbreak | even 720p is HD |
| 03:06.31 | Arrowmaster | because HD was invented after we already had over 1080 progressive lines on computer displays so they cant possibly be HD |
| 03:06.38 | Dagmar | It's _really_ hard for something to not be HD nowadays unless it's on a VHS tape because HD basically means next to nothing |
| 03:06.46 | cogwheel | 19:03 < cbreak> users aren't forced to download an addon <--- Missed the point, imo. If using for-pay addons was against the EULA, then by selling your addons to someone, you are inducing them to violate their contract |
| 03:06.52 | cbreak | afaik, anything over PAL/NTSC is HD |
| 03:07.00 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: wrong |
| 03:07.25 | cogwheel | 480p isn't considered HD iirc |
| 03:07.39 | Dagmar | Holy sweet lord even a hifi store salestwit wouldn't call plain NTSC HD tho |
| 03:08.01 | Arrowmaster | theres fucking "portable HD video players" that are like fucking 400x(whatever to get a 16:9 res) screens |
| 03:08.07 | Dagmar | They might call a DVD that had >720 horizontal encoding HD tho |
| 03:08.24 | cbreak | NTSC has 480 lines. Interlaced though. |
| 03:09.42 | cbreak | cogwheel: I could just make my own eula that requires people to not have entered an eula with blizzard before downloading the addon... |
| 03:09.49 | cbreak | no one would read it anyway |
| 03:10.12 | cogwheel | umm, yeah, try convincing a judge of that one >< |
| 03:10.27 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: dvds have 576 horizontal lines max |
| 03:10.58 | Amarande | yay, just successfully used LFD for the first time |
| 03:11.14 | Amarande | picked up one of my missing heroic dungeon achievements, too |
| 03:12.34 | KarlKFI | why is durrability randomly going down in Light's Hammer? |
| 03:12.43 | KarlKFI | constant deterioration... |
| 03:12.53 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:13.00 | Amarande | did they address dalalag a little or am I just thinking it? |
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| 03:13.29 | cbreak | maybe your whole server population is trying to squeeze themselfes into the new instances |
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| 03:15.56 | kd3 | damn it |
| 03:16.00 | kd3 | dropped from my group again |
| 03:16.03 | kd3 | wth |
| 03:16.21 | cbreak | did they vote you out? |
| 03:16.28 | cbreak | read people can actually do that these days :) |
| 03:17.09 | WobWork | I do hope they've increased the size of the ignore list =P |
| 03:17.15 | WobWork | with this new cross realm grouping =P |
| 03:17.19 | kd3 | no |
| 03:17.19 | Amarande | they did, they made it 50 like the friends list |
| 03:17.28 | WobWork | or maybe someone needs to write an interface to wowjerks.com |
| 03:17.28 | kd3 | we all lost the ability to talk in /p |
| 03:17.37 | kd3 | a few minutes later we all got ported out |
| 03:17.59 | kd3 | and now the world server crashed |
| 03:18.00 | kd3 | whee |
| 03:18.35 | Lopeppeppy | Gotta love patch days. |
| 03:19.59 | kd3 | damn it, now I can't queue for PoS since I'm locked to it after getting kicked |
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| 03:21.55 | kd3 | or even use lfg at all. wtg instance servers |
| 03:26.08 | WobWork | "Get hold of utlity extensions for chrome" |
| 03:26.15 | WobWork | wtg on the editing =P |
| 03:26.45 | Shirik | lua> 300 * 1.4 |
| 03:26.45 | lua_bot | Shirik: 420 |
| 03:26.50 | Shirik | hey Thunder_Child |
| 03:27.00 | Shirik | I'm thinking about asking for a 1.4 extender for christmas. It's not too expensive. What do you think? |
| 03:27.28 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: about what? |
| 03:27.46 | Shirik | I'm thinking it means that if I get the 70-200 f/2.8, then maybe a 300mm prime, that means I'll have an effective range of 24-280, 300, 420 |
| 03:27.50 | Shirik | Should I ask for it? |
| 03:27.59 | Shirik | I was also considering the 2x but people tell me the 1.4x is better quality |
| 03:28.41 | Thunder_Child | well it is, the closer to 1x you go the better quality it becomes |
| 03:28.48 | Jerub | someone i just talked to just told me that the daily random dungeon is glitched |
| 03:28.57 | Jerub | it's rewarding EoF for every random dungeon |
| 03:28.59 | Thunder_Child | worked for me Jerub |
| 03:29.00 | Dagmar | Keeps putting people in Occulus, does it? |
| 03:29.04 | Thunder_Child | oh..lol |
| 03:29.16 | Dagmar | Oh wow! |
| 03:31.12 | Dagmar | Well, now I'm wishing I wasn't working tomorrow or I'd be pugging it out until my eyes turned into Planter's Roasted Peanuts |
| 03:31.36 | Jerub | is anyone else seeing dal as a ghosttown? |
| 03:31.45 | Jerub | on my server this morning (which was the only time i've played today) it was empty |
| 03:32.01 | Shirik | 21:30 [Kyphaele] Alextrasza is red, Arthas is blue, please send me some feedback or I'll QQ! Any comments about my service - good, bad, or awesome - can be sent to wowgmfeedback-us@blizzard.com |
| 03:32.31 | Dagmar | Jerub: Quick! Invade the opposing faction's bar! |
| 03:32.56 | Dagmar | Eat all their peanuts. :) |
| 03:33.12 | Amarande | Dagmar: Heh, isn't the only way to do that whoever's in Dal to fly in at the right spot before you're force landed? |
| 03:33.46 | Dagmar | Amarande: When the place isn't ressing in, the bouncer code apparently doesn't trigger either |
| 03:33.57 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/latest |
| 03:34.01 | Adys | enjoy your patch 3.3 |
| 03:34.23 | Shirik | hey Adys |
| 03:34.24 | Shirik | you is slow |
| 03:34.26 | Shirik | vary slow |
| 03:34.32 | Adys | wai |
| 03:34.40 | Dagmar | I've had it happen twice, both times I went straight to the Horde bar just because they've got that nifty outdoor area I've never been able to get a good long look at |
| 03:34.40 | Dagmar | I was told I was readily visible to others for awhile the last time |
| 03:34.41 | Adys | i had to do some tweaks on the db |
| 03:35.44 | Jerub | so no new lw stuff afaik |
| 03:35.52 | Jerub | Adys: how do i query the db for that? :P |
| 03:36.02 | Dagmar | Jerub: Not all that suprising |
| 03:36.19 | Dagmar | We've not seen anything new in awhile that wasn't directly an exclusively Ulduar-related |
| 03:36.23 | Adys | sec Jerub |
| 03:36.43 | Jerub | Dagmar: uh, we had drums of the wild/forgotten kings in 3.2.2 |
| 03:36.46 | Dagmar | 'I'd be a bit miffed about that if there was any point to even trying to get those recipes unless you're going into Ulduar every week |
| 03:36.46 | Yssaril | dues the wowinterface svn automaticaly package tags and post them like the wowace/cursforge repos? |
| 03:36.47 | Jerub | and we had toc LW patterns |
| 03:36.57 | Adys | Jerub: now |
| 03:36.58 | Dagmar | Jerub: ...and that was it. |
| 03:37.32 | Dagmar | Raid patterns that require heavy raaiding to make use of aren't exactly useful to more than a fraction of the player base |
| 03:37.44 | Jerub | Dagmar: uh, what? |
| 03:37.57 | Jerub | Dagmar: i've been making those patterns for people more and more the last 3 weeks. |
| 03:38.09 | Dagmar | Were there some that _didn't_ require six of the new fancier orbs? |
| 03:38.10 | Jerub | they don't require heavy raiding, just 60-120 EoT |
| 03:38.33 | Jerub | the orbs were selling for 400-500 g on dath'remar-us |
| 03:39.23 | Jerub | and considering that meant that ilvl 245 bracers were only 2500g to have made, lots of people made them. |
| 03:39.45 | Dagmar | So for only half the cost of an epic flight skill |
| 03:39.58 | Dagmar | ...and that's at materials cost |
| 03:40.04 | Jerub | I made two of the breastplates in 20 minutes one night. that was 16 orbs, 40+ heavy borean, 12 arctic fur, and a total sticker price of over 11000g in a few moments. |
| 03:40.12 | Dagmar | That's a bit of a jump in price from previous, don't you think? |
| 03:41.00 | Jerub | how do you put a price on high level gear. |
| 03:41.23 | Jerub | but the point is, that you can do it without raiding. |
| 03:41.31 | Dagmar | Oo... Something that explains Horde players: http://www.theonion.com/content/news/new_study_reveals_most_children |
| 03:41.32 | Jerub | i've never gotten an orb from a raid and i have 2 pieces of crafted toc gear. |
| 03:41.53 | Dagmar | Jerub: Either way, unless you're doing those raids, the gear is effectively hella-expensive |
| 03:42.31 | Jerub | but now it's hella cheap. |
| 03:42.46 | Jerub | 30 heroics == 4 orbs |
| 03:42.48 | Dagmar | I'll believe that when I see it in teh AH for less than 300% materials costs |
| 03:43.00 | Jerub | Dagmar: I can't sell this crap in the AH |
| 03:43.05 | Jerub | i'm better off selling mats |
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| 03:43.42 | Dagmar | ...and you omit that "30 heroics = 4 orbs" means a month of heroics, every night, with random people. |
| 03:43.55 | Dagmar | Assuming you complete them all, which has yet to be play-tested on the live servers |
| 03:44.16 | Jerub | a month? |
| 03:44.18 | Dagmar | I'm kinda withholding judgement on whether or not there was a flaw in this plan until a few weeks have passed |
| 03:44.25 | Jerub | that's 1 a day |
| 03:44.34 | Jerub | EoT are dropped from every heroic after the first |
| 03:44.39 | Jerub | frost are the new ones i've not even seen yet. |
| 03:45.36 | Dagmar | Frankly I want to see that turning on the builtin voicechat makes you more likely to be paired with people who also have it on |
| 03:45.57 | Jerub | oh there is new LW stuff, and it's vendor! |
| 03:46.08 | Dagmar | I'll put up with a bit of static if it means not dealing with the silent kids who won't do vent because tehy can't be bothered to follow simple instructions or work as a team |
| 03:46.12 | Jerub | requires ashen verdict honored |
| 03:47.11 | Jerub | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?required_skill_level=450&required_skill__description__imatches=Leatherworking&sell_price__lt=1 |
| 03:47.34 | Jerub | now what is primodial saronite? |
| 03:47.42 | WobWork | something mined in ICC? |
| 03:47.43 | Adys | some icc shit |
| 03:47.58 | Jerub | ah, the new orb |
| 03:47.59 | WobWork | cause clearly, cause it's Yog Saron's blood |
| 03:48.00 | Jerub | 23 EoF |
| 03:48.06 | WobWork | there'd be more primodial in ICC =P |
| 03:48.29 | Jerub | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/49908/primordial-saronite/ |
| 03:49.09 | Dagmar | I think I see my next pair of pants there |
| 03:50.35 | tem | Lady Deathwhisper down |
| 03:50.51 | Jerub | why the hell does mmo-champion link to chrome? |
| 03:50.52 | tem | oh boy |
| 03:50.59 | tem | crushed by an elevator |
| 03:51.39 | Adys | http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/speedtracer/ |
| 03:51.42 | Adys | pretty awesome shit |
| 03:51.47 | Torhal | Is Blizzard on drugs? |
| 03:52.07 | Torhal | Why is the spell for the albino snake called "Summon Albino Snake", unlike ANY of the other pets? |
| 03:52.19 | Torhal | Gah |
| 03:52.30 | Dagmar | Adys: That's the way things are *finally* swinging in webdev |
| 03:52.58 | Dagmar | I suspect because people got tired of their fancy website that requires a 2Ghz machine to render quickly coming up slow as hell and twice as ugly on their crackberries |
| 03:53.25 | Dagmar | Perfect example: www.wired.com |
| 03:53.27 | Adys | i dunno so much about that. my websites run fine on my asus eee. |
| 03:53.39 | Dagmar | On an EEE, sure. |
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| 03:53.51 | Dagmar | Try it on a phone or any other "lite" browser sometime |
| 03:54.04 | Adys | errrr |
| 03:54.22 | Adys | phone websites are supposed to have their own interface, in most cases |
| 03:54.33 | Dagmar | Who says? |
| 03:54.39 | Adys | the phone user |
| 03:54.49 | Adys | you cant just load any kind of crap into that kind of monitor |
| 03:55.23 | Dagmar | Yes, and for some reason web developers seem to think it's the browser's job to download all 2.4Mb of the page and then decide what to render and what to ignore |
| 03:56.00 | Adys | thats totally unrelated to js performance |
| 03:56.31 | Dagmar | When you throw up a web page with seven different css files, over a high-latency network with limited throughput and virtually no caching on a relatively slow device, suddenly it can take well over 30s to get the page to appear |
| 03:56.49 | Dagmar | You're right, it's completely unrelated to js performance because it's not js that's the problem |
| 03:57.07 | Dagmar | It's that browsers only make a limited number of connections to the remote server at once, and tend to completely parse the previous thing gotten before going onto the next thing. |
| 03:57.11 | Amarande | Dagmar: not to mention the price for people without or over on their data plans |
| 03:57.25 | WobWork | likes Sitecore, for that reason |
| 03:57.35 | WobWork | it offers different renders depending on the useragent |
| 03:57.53 | Dagmar | It's enough of an issue that Billy Hoffman quit working on The Worm That Will Kill The Internet and switched to building tools like speedtracer |
| 03:58.16 | Shirik | lua> 70*1.4 |
| 03:58.17 | lua_bot | Shirik: 98 |
| 03:58.18 | Amarande | Dagmar: in bad circumstances, that 2.4MB page can not only take forever to render, it could possibly cost some cell viewers ten bucks to download |
| 03:59.04 | Amarande | Making someone pay ten dollars to download one's crappy web page is probably something that *ought* to be a capital, or at least an exile offense. :P |
| 03:59.10 | Adys | people who pay for limited bandwidth, under any circumstances, either know exactly what they're doing, or don't know wtf they're doing |
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| 04:00.00 | Adys | also wow this is pretty amazing |
| 04:00.14 | Adys | this+webkit devtools = awesomeness |
| 04:00.16 | Adys | suck it up firebug |
| 04:00.17 | travistey | So... Is this the irc channel for lua stuff? |
| 04:00.27 | Adys | whats lua |
| 04:01.05 | tem | hahahaha |
| 04:01.09 | tem | jetpacks are awesome |
| 04:01.34 | travistey | is LF LUA Help. |
| 04:01.41 | Adys | travistey: just ask |
| 04:02.02 | travistey | I can't figure out how to make my lua open a menu for a simple start stop button... |
| 04:02.08 | travistey | lol |
| 04:02.10 | Dagmar | There's no such thing as "unlimited" bandwidth on cell phones in the US |
| 04:02.41 | Thunder_Child | yes there is |
| 04:02.46 | Dagmar | All of them have a point in their "unlimited" plan where they'll cut you off. |
| 04:03.09 | Adys | travistey: hook onRightClick or something similar, CreateFrame when you get it etc |
| 04:03.12 | Adys | there are some libs for that |
| 04:03.25 | Adys | which should ease that greatly... dont remember the name |
| 04:03.38 | travistey | awesome, thanks! |
| 04:03.46 | WobWork | Adys: Speedtracer is kinda funky |
| 04:03.58 | Thunder_Child | -t? |
| 04:04.05 | WobWork | nyet |
| 04:04.06 | WobWork | http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/speedtracer/ |
| 04:04.24 | Thunder_Child | da, nyet nyet |
| 04:04.38 | Adys | nyets Thunder_Child's dada |
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| 04:04.51 | Adys | nyets Cairenn's dada |
| 04:05.49 | kd3 | c'mon halls of reflection |
| 04:05.51 | kd3 | lemme in |
| 04:05.55 | Adys | http://googlewebtoolkit.blogspot.com/2009/12/introducing-google-web-toolkit-20-now.html |
| 04:07.13 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Adys |
| 04:07.13 | purl | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at Adys |
| 04:10.49 | travistey | Alright, So I have a graphical ui created using wow ui designer, and I wrote my addon as a simple script to /who 1-80 for each class and race. But I can't find any help on wowwiki to make a slash command like "/ni" to open up the ui. |
| 04:11.55 | kd3 | er, uh... search? |
| 04:12.17 | travistey | lol, I have been, I am just looking for little help as to what exactly I should search for.. |
| 04:12.36 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command |
| 04:12.48 | kd3 | Portal:Interface_customization should be a good jumping-off point |
| 04:14.38 | travistey | thanks. |
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| 04:18.28 | tem | dear christ I hate gunship battle |
| 04:19.26 | WobWork | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200911/spon/DSC_4829_s.jpg |
| 04:19.50 | WobWork | You crazy Germans =P |
| 04:23.43 | Jerub | tem: worse than togc25 fc? |
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| 04:24.39 | Jerub | I hope Karma works with cross realm lfg |
| 04:25.39 | Adys | WobWork: link original? |
| 04:26.27 | tem | Jerub, no |
| 04:26.30 | tem | but I still hate it |
| 04:27.00 | Dagmar | WobWork: What would one call a translation like that? |
| 04:27.17 | Dagmar | Englesche? |
| 04:27.23 | Dagmar | Naxi-ese? |
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| 04:34.22 | Adys | After 15 minutes of âHmmmâ and âThatâs strangeâ from the other end of the phone, the support tech finally said âI think this is going to take a while â could you disconnect and well, just not do that thing youâre doing anymore? Weâll continue to investigate though â thanks for the tip!â |
| 04:34.52 | Dagmar | .eally? |
| 04:34.59 | Adys | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Choose-Your-Own-IP.aspx |
| 04:36.48 | Dagmar | That happened at Edge.net, but the person doing it was just blindly plugging numbers into Winsock trying to get it to work |
| 04:36.58 | Dagmar | The three tech support geeks were not real happy about it |
| 04:37.07 | Dagmar | This one guy would dial in, and then everyone else's stuff would stop working |
| 04:37.27 | tem | yay gunship done |
| 04:37.36 | tem | DBS time |
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| 04:37.59 | Dagmar | Thus was my first experience with someone who had a CNE that didn't mean a damn thing |
| 04:38.22 | Dagmar | $40,000 piece of connecting equipment, and he'd basically left it at the defaults |
| 04:38.30 | Dagmar | Wya to go, joe |
| 04:40.12 | tem | oh sweet |
| 04:40.31 | tem | I just got a pretty nice dodge trinket |
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| 04:42.15 | Jerub | tem: ilvl? |
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| 04:44.41 | Pytlask | kd3/anyone else using Wine: Any idea if the launcher still changes permissions on your WoW folder? |
| 04:44.58 | kd3 | it does |
| 04:45.01 | kd3 | run wow normally to get the patch |
| 04:45.12 | kd3 | then you can return to running the launcher after getting patched up |
| 04:45.24 | Pytlask | Hmm, don't think I actually use the launcher anyway now that I think about it |
| 04:47.23 | Adys | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200911/errord/govermentgateway.jpg |
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| 04:48.43 | Shirik | Iriel |
| 04:48.52 | Shirik | you have any experience with lens extenders? |
| 04:48.53 | Iriel | Shirik |
| 04:49.15 | Iriel | Nothing on real cameras or in the last 10 years |
| 04:49.22 | Iriel | so I'd say "no" |
| 04:49.31 | Iriel | for some reasonable definition of no |
| 04:49.34 | WobWork | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Special-Delivery.aspx |
| 04:49.37 | WobWork | ... awesome |
| 04:50.08 | Shirik | I'm considering asking for a 1.4x or 2x extender for christmas |
| 04:50.54 | tem | Jerub, 264 |
| 04:51.10 | tem | Corpse Tounge Coin |
| 04:51.23 | Jerub | oooh nice |
| 04:51.38 | tem | we just accidently pulled Saurfang and nearly killed him |
| 04:51.46 | tem | these easy modes are too easy :( |
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| 04:52.32 | Jerub | tem: yay? |
| 04:52.40 | kd3 | that's why the hard modes are going to be /hard/ |
| 04:53.15 | tem | yeah |
| 04:53.25 | tem | Deathbringer hard is going to SUCK |
| 04:53.28 | tem | and so is gunship |
| 04:53.28 | airtonix | hardModesAreHard(tm) |
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| 04:53.51 | airtonix | weLikeToCollideOurHardModes(tm) |
| 04:53.58 | Adys | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200910/err1/CallPilotMessage.jpg |
| 04:54.58 | Dagmar | tem: Don't call them easy just because you and your reasonably skilled team can beat it |
| 04:55.23 | airtonix | call them moderately challenging |
| 04:55.25 | Dagmar | You've already got full epics, I'll wager |
| 04:56.00 | Jerub | my guild wiped 3 times doing OS10+1D |
| 04:56.09 | Jerub | and has never set foot as a guild into toc10 |
| 04:56.25 | airtonix | funs stuff |
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| 05:00.25 | tem | Storming the Citadel |
| 05:06.33 | tem | oh boy |
| 05:06.42 | tem | now we get to go kill anub'rekan in naxx |
| 05:06.54 | tem | yay for weekly raid quest |
| 05:07.13 | kd3 | heh. it's patch for us |
| 05:07.56 | Jerub | tem: yeah, our server has naxx anub'rekan too |
| 05:07.57 | Jerub | wait on. |
| 05:08.02 | Jerub | tem: what battlegroup are you on? |
| 05:08.12 | Jerub | I wonder if proof of demise raid quests are battlegrouped. |
| 05:08.18 | ajmitch | Jerub: I don't think it is |
| 05:08.54 | ajmitch | khaz'goroth has patchwerk to kill as well, and we're in bloodlust |
| 05:10.12 | Dagmar | Does the daily raid quest count against your lockouts? |
| 05:10.19 | Jerub | Dagmar: weekly |
| 05:10.21 | Jerub | not daily. |
| 05:10.36 | Jerub | i think i'm in bloodlust. |
| 05:10.38 | Dagmar | Hmm... That might cause some people some grief |
| 05:10.48 | Dagmar | Ah wel, it's just raiderws |
| 05:10.50 | ajmitch | Jerub: bloodlust is pretty much all oceanic, I think |
| 05:11.23 | ajmitch | just needs to find a fix for x-perl before the raid |
| 05:11.48 | VonhintenHOME` | What's the trick for the Deathspeaker High Priest? |
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| 05:14.09 | tem | Jerub, I actually don't know |
| 05:14.15 | tem | I'm on Dragonmaw |
| 05:17.03 | DWSR | instance servers down for anyone else? |
| 05:25.02 | tem | yeah |
| 05:25.08 | tem | we're trying to do the daily random |
| 05:25.28 | kd3 | gah |
| 05:25.32 | kd3 | stuck at the loading screen |
| 05:25.36 | kd3 | c'mon petition |
| 05:26.16 | DWSR | lol |
| 05:26.21 | DWSR | c'mon fucking instance servers. |
| 05:26.28 | DWSR | The ICC raid instance was working |
| 05:27.04 | Sixen | hai kd3 |
| 05:27.15 | kd3 | 'lo sixen |
| 05:27.32 | Sixen | Long time no see. how you been? |
| 05:27.37 | tem | kd3, yeah us too |
| 05:27.51 | kd3 | alright. just stuck at a loading screen |
| 05:33.52 | Dagmar | Ah yes but it's a widescreen loading screen now isn't it? |
| 05:38.11 | Dagmar | Right so.. Now we have to talk Blizzard into selling new authenticators which show our choice of game logos |
| 05:38.21 | Dagmar | I'm no longer thrilled mine is all about SC2 |
| 05:39.26 | WobWork | Adys: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Sponsor-Appreciation,-Paper-eBook,-Confused-Occupancy,--More.aspx |
| 05:39.30 | WobWork | is the original link |
| 05:39.34 | WobWork | (from ages ago) |
| 05:41.57 | cog|away | http://notsohumblepie.blogspot.com/search/label/Science |
| 05:42.04 | cog|away | cookies! |
| 05:48.49 | cog|away | giggles @ google goggles |
| 05:52.31 | Trela | New XKCD is awesome. http://xkcd.com/673/ |
| 05:53.18 | Dagmar | Whoa. The petri dish cookies are a little creepy |
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| 05:54.41 | elec29a | hi whats new in wow 3.3 ? |
| 05:55.22 | cog|away | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20437376853&sid=1 ? |
| 05:55.35 | elec29a | rhx |
| 05:55.37 | elec29a | thx |
| 05:57.44 | cogwheel | hmm... 3 patches worth of stickies might be a bit much >< |
| 05:58.01 | Dagmar | Ooooo... new macro conditionals for vehicles |
| 05:58.04 | Dagmar | THANK THE GODS |
| 05:58.21 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.24 | cogwheel | XD |
| 05:58.55 | nevcairiel | indeed, it was about time |
| 05:59.57 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnsmV9yYHA8&feature=related |
| 06:00.44 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKHthNMoMzA |
| 06:19.05 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL4hyATkQ74 |
| 06:25.07 | WobWork | http://www.sketchysantas.com/ |
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| 06:35.00 | Duman | hmm |
| 06:38.16 | Yssaril | anyone know if wowhead has an IRC channel? |
| 06:38.56 | Thunder_Child | they do |
| 06:39.01 | Kraps | #wowhead |
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| 06:40.37 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* cart is glitching out |
| 06:41.46 | kd3 | yay! finally got in to HoR |
| 06:42.16 | Duman | sofa king tired |
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| 06:49.04 | Thunder_Child | ~poke nevcairiel |
| 06:49.05 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind nevcairiel, pokes nevcairiel repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 06:49.19 | Shirik | ~poke Thunder_Child |
| 06:49.20 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Thunder_Child, pokes Thunder_Child repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 06:49.27 | Thunder_Child | ~dodge Shirik |
| 06:49.28 | purl | at the last second thunder_child dodges out of the way of Shirik's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
| 06:49.41 | Shirik | what attack |
| 06:50.02 | Thunder_Child | your poke |
| 06:51.10 | Shirik | that was not an attack |
| 06:51.12 | Shirik | it was a poke |
| 06:51.58 | WobWork | woo |
| 06:51.58 | WobWork | http://www.bestadsontv.com/interactive_details.php?id=24769 |
| 06:52.16 | WobWork | I've never made it on a site like this before =P |
| 06:52.37 | WobWork | not that I can claim much on the design concept side =P |
| 06:52.44 | WobWork | but I did the backend work! |
| 06:53.06 | Thunder_Child | dont want to know about your 'backend' work |
| 06:53.50 | WobWork | That's because you have no eye for detail, TC =) |
| 06:55.11 | Dagmar | cog was right about the character select screens |
| 06:55.18 | Dagmar | There's definitely a bit more fog |
| 06:55.54 | Dagmar | I'm still looking around for some older screenshots, the only one I've found so far is one from Exodar, which is still a little foggy. I suspect maybe they just changed the volumetric fog settings for the scene |
| 06:56.22 | Thunder_Child | ya, i noticed that |
| 06:56.55 | Dagmar | I'm half tempted to make a set of new screenshots right now as a reference point if they make future changes |
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| 07:18.46 | Fisker | rage Shirik |
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| 07:23.49 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Fisker Shirik |
| 07:23.49 | purl | gives Fisker Shirik a good seeing to |
| 07:25.49 | Shirik | wtf did I do |
| 07:26.27 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:26.58 | Fisker | you think you can stop me? |
| 07:27.00 | zenzio | Fisker Shirik? They're merging into the new Lich King? |
| 07:28.16 | Shirik | well he has to be replaced |
| 07:28.22 | Shirik | Fisker, yes I do think I can stop you |
| 07:28.25 | Shirik | and I believe Shiibot already has |
| 07:28.34 | Fisker | he hasn't really |
| 07:29.33 | Shirik | yes he has |
| 07:32.48 | Fisker | nope |
| 07:33.28 | bluspacecow | *fondle shirik* |
| 07:33.34 | Shirik | wtf |
| 07:33.40 | bluspacecow | :D |
| 07:33.50 | bluspacecow | i is hawt svedish gal |
| 07:33.55 | Fisker | i'm stick Shirik |
| 07:33.57 | Fisker | sick* |
| 07:34.02 | Shirik | I know |
| 07:34.04 | Shirik | I made you sick |
| 07:34.06 | bluspacecow | herkie herkie herkie *boobs bounce* |
| 07:34.09 | Shirik | and bluspacecow |
| 07:34.11 | Shirik | ~irc |
| 07:34.11 | purl | Welcome to IRC, where the men are men, the women are men and the little girls are FBI agents. |
| 07:35.08 | mikma | true, true.. |
| 07:35.45 | Fisker | why aren't the servers up yet? |
| 07:35.59 | Fisker | i'm hoping to get me some emblems of frost before they fix it :( |
| 07:37.26 | Shirik | Cairenn is an FBI agent |
| 07:37.46 | mikma | no, a man. |
| 07:37.47 | Cairenn | is most definitely not a little girl |
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| 07:38.16 | mikma | see? |
| 07:38.28 | Cairenn | I am all grown up woman |
| 07:38.28 | airtonix | then only one other option remains |
| 07:38.32 | airtonix | lies |
| 07:40.19 | bluspacecow | a big girl ? |
| 07:40.48 | bluspacecow | you EYU chaps in maintence ? |
| 07:41.09 | mikma | dunno |
| 07:41.19 | mikma | i'm ina school, lolz |
| 07:41.30 | mikma | hot work license -day |
| 07:41.35 | zenzio | what's the Y for? |
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| 07:41.47 | bluspacecow | mistype |
| 07:41.52 | Fisker | slaps kd3_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:42.30 | airtonix | Yugo |
| 07:42.35 | Fisker | you want to die? |
| 07:43.12 | Dagmar | Nah they're fine as long as you don't let them get wet |
| 07:43.15 | airtonix | haha now when fisker shows up i see Borat dancing with 4 other old slavic men |
| 07:43.36 | bluspacecow | in the funny swimsuit he has ? |
| 07:43.36 | mikma | is niiiiiice |
| 07:45.12 | Elkano | hmm... 3.3's logo looks funny... I read "FAIL of the Lich King" first ^^ |
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| 07:53.27 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder what the "gear limit" for htotc5 is |
| 07:54.03 | Fisker | Your human mother |
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| 08:03.11 | Shirik | ahaha |
| 08:03.16 | Shirik | thisi s awesome |
| 08:03.26 | mikma | yhes |
| 08:03.29 | Shirik | "State what clipping is and how it occurs (4 points)" |
| 08:03.38 | Dagmar | Interesting. |
| 08:03.55 | Dagmar | There's some console messages that appear for just a moment when I start WoW now |
| 08:03.57 | mikma | shirik: 1) toenails |
| 08:03.57 | Thunder_Child | thats rather simple |
| 08:03.58 | Shirik | "Clipping is when you hook up the oscilloscope to something" and then he drew a picture of the clip for an oscope |
| 08:04.11 | Shirik | with an arrow pointing at the clip |
| 08:04.53 | mikma | hahahahahaha, funny |
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| 08:14.54 | DWSR | Is the 3rd heroic that got released with 3.3 available for play? |
| 08:15.02 | DWSR | Because I'm getting instance not found, but I'm in Pit of Saron |
| 08:16.10 | mitch0 | does anyone know if Glyph of Mind Flay still has the +10yd range modifier, or only the +10% damage now? |
| 08:16.42 | mikma | patchnotes know |
| 08:17.07 | mikma | they usually say "adding to old effect" etc |
| 08:17.17 | mitch0 | they don't say that |
| 08:17.35 | mikma | copypaste the line |
| 08:18.00 | mitch0 | Glyph of Mind Flay: This glyph now increases the damage done by Mind Flay by 10% when the target is afflicted with Shadow Word: Pain |
| 08:18.25 | mikma | tough luck =( |
| 08:18.36 | mitch0 | so the range modifier is gone, right? |
| 08:18.58 | mikma | seems so. what does wowhead comments say? |
| 08:19.22 | mitch0 | nothing conclusive |
| 08:19.34 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, did you finish all the quests? |
| 08:19.41 | DWSR | yeah, nvm. |
| 08:19.47 | DWSR | I was getting Instance not found. |
| 08:19.49 | mikma | well the spell itself has range in the tooltip |
| 08:19.59 | Wobin | http://www.fukung.net/images/22307/dYar8.jpg |
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| 08:20.34 | Fisker | you wouldn't make love to a cow Wobin |
| 08:20.55 | Wobin | I would to a medium rare steak |
| 08:21.14 | Wobin | where love == slicing up with a sharp knife and consuming |
| 08:21.24 | mikma | devouring* |
| 08:21.40 | mikma | OMNOMNOMSTEAK |
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| 08:24.46 | olafski | let them come! |
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| 08:42.09 | haste | ~wowalert |
| 08:42.10 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 08:42.23 | Fisker | hastemen |
| 08:43.28 | haste | Fisker: |
| 08:45.07 | Wobin | so what should I name my new pally? |
| 08:45.26 | mikma | bobble |
| 08:45.32 | adam` | bubbleboy |
| 08:45.41 | mikma | tumball |
| 08:45.43 | mikma | gum* |
| 08:45.45 | mikma | heh |
| 08:45.57 | adam` | RADIOACTIVE |
| 08:46.07 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: what path? |
| 08:46.18 | Wobin | Thunder_Child, dunno, I've never played a pally past 20 |
| 08:46.31 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: well what would you like to do? |
| 08:46.59 | Wobin | I hear pally healing is boring |
| 08:47.17 | eidolarr | i think it's fun |
| 08:47.23 | eidolarr | the lack of instants makes it exciting |
| 08:47.58 | mikma | 24k crits |
| 08:48.00 | Thunder_Child | you mean the "press one button repeatedly"? |
| 08:48.13 | Wobin | yeah |
| 08:48.23 | eidolarr | no, the reliance on planning and the challenge of positioning |
| 08:48.24 | Thunder_Child | one of the more amusing pallu names is stunbubblerun |
| 08:48.30 | eidolarr | fights like meathook with all melee or loken are fun |
| 08:48.41 | eidolarr | less so now that you can beast it down with epic gear i guess |
| 08:48.43 | Wobin | loken sounds painful |
| 08:48.48 | Wobin | due to lack of group heals |
| 08:48.52 | Thunder_Child | eidolarr: ah, so you mean the "press one button repeatedly" |
| 08:49.02 | eidolarr | har har |
| 08:49.10 | Wobin | lets just say dps/tanky |
| 08:49.25 | eidolarr | yeah on loken much of the time the group died and me and the tank finished him with me just eating the novas |
| 08:49.28 | Fisker | prutadin Wobin |
| 08:49.33 | Fisker | highfives haste |
| 08:49.34 | eidolarr | if you had more than 1 caster somebody was dyin |
| 08:49.36 | mikma | zerglol |
| 08:50.19 | Fisker | don't you agree haste? |
| 08:50.27 | mikma | zergzor! |
| 08:51.28 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: amusing name or realistic? |
| 08:51.30 | Wobin | bah |
| 08:51.35 | Wobin | he's started on a pvp server |
| 08:51.38 | Wobin | screw that =P |
| 08:51.50 | Wobin | I can't be bothered learning a new class and levelling from 1 on a pvp server |
| 08:52.21 | Wobin | Thunder_Child, both =) |
| 08:52.32 | Arrowmaster | i still dont understand how people think loken is hard |
| 08:52.55 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, what are you healing him as? |
| 08:53.04 | Arrowmaster | i dont heal |
| 08:53.07 | eidolarr | loken was hard for a paladin when 20khp and 1800sp were big numbers |
| 08:53.11 | Wobin | well there's your answer =P |
| 08:53.22 | Wobin | loken is a pain in the arse for healers |
| 08:54.08 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 08:54.12 | Fisker | name him prutadin |
| 08:54.14 | Arrowmaster | i only did loken a few times while i was still playing but it was like a month after the expansion release and he seemed like a pushover everytime |
| 08:54.32 | Arrowmaster | so nobody was overgeared |
| 08:54.33 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: you cant have both |
| 08:54.35 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: Loken is hard if people keep taking more damage than they should |
| 08:54.41 | zenzio | because basically if they take damage, they take a lot |
| 08:54.59 | eidolarr | and hard because you have to be moving |
| 08:55.31 | zenzio | well, if you're all in good gear (just farming tokens) you can just stay by him and nuke |
| 08:55.32 | zenzio | but yeah |
| 08:56.19 | eidolarr | yeah i'm just thinking back to when naxx was the endgame |
| 08:56.28 | zenzio | at launch we had trouble with him until we came up with the brilliant "run along the line" tactic so people didn't spread out all over |
| 08:57.01 | zenzio | Loken actually reminded me somewhat of Murmur |
| 08:57.17 | Wobin | loken is hard if people eat too much damage, and you can't heal fast enough |
| 08:57.23 | Wobin | and your dps is low |
| 08:57.30 | Wobin | ie, new 80s |
| 08:57.45 | eidolarr | I just remember having trouble because people would be taking a lot of damage, then there was a nova and I had to run out and back in, with only one holy shock for those 6 seconds or so |
| 08:57.54 | zenzio | my achivement frame's statistics pane still says Loken's the 5-man that killed me most |
| 08:58.08 | Wobin | zenzio, probably the same |
| 08:58.14 | Wobin | but only cause I was farming for that damn trinket |
| 08:58.21 | zenzio | hehe |
| 08:58.36 | zenzio | never did that one, thankfully rhe Naxx one dropped before long |
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| 08:58.40 | zenzio | *the |
| 08:59.34 | Wobin | hehe |
| 08:59.40 | Wobin | for me it's Zuramat the Obliterator |
| 08:59.53 | Wobin | for my shammy |
| 09:00.13 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:00.28 | adam` | anyone else in an instance right now? |
| 09:02.32 | olafski | loken was freaking hell when I first did him |
| 09:02.42 | olafski | I didn't go back there for 6 months after my first kill of him :P |
| 09:03.26 | eidolarr | I think the worst aprt of healing is that it's excruciatingly boring once the place is on farm |
| 09:03.56 | Wobin | at times, yeah |
| 09:04.00 | Wobin | but that's what raiding is for |
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| 09:06.42 | olafski | or chainpulling |
| 09:06.53 | olafski | I find healing relaxing |
| 09:07.02 | olafski | I can have a conversation or watch movies while healing |
| 09:07.20 | Kaso | healing fivemans im usually reading forums or irc while doing it |
| 09:07.30 | Kaso | though raiding healing is usually more stressful |
| 09:07.54 | olafski | I guess it is.. been a while since I did that |
| 09:08.04 | olafski | I think it was blackwing lair ,) |
| 09:08.52 | olafski | no more raiding is the best decision I've made for this game :> |
| 09:09.06 | Kaso | blackwing lair was one of the best raids, a good one to end on |
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| 09:09.19 | olafski | oh I ended on naxxramas |
| 09:09.24 | olafski | but I switched to maintank after BWL |
| 09:09.54 | olafski | actually I "quit" playing a few weeks before TBC came out, then started again a few weeks before wotlk.. I've raided in wotlk but it just doesn't compare |
| 09:10.11 | olafski | and I don't feel like committing to a game that much anymore so now I just casually play (but I still play a lot :P) |
| 09:12.00 | ccox | Macintosh WoW client is spending 60% of it's time in the OS memory routines - something is wrong |
| 09:12.14 | ccox | time spent seems to correlate with worst lag |
| 09:12.33 | olafski | bbl ;p |
| 09:13.11 | ccox | and right now, the mac client is near unplayable |
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| 09:13.36 | ccox | I'll have to do some experiments tomorrow to see what it really relates to (my guess is textures) |
| 09:18.34 | zenzio | ccox: which OS version are you on? |
| 09:18.42 | ccox | 10.5.8 |
| 09:18.47 | ccox | 10.6 is too unstable |
| 09:19.13 | Fisker | mac is shit |
| 09:19.15 | zenzio | think it could be the new OpenGL implementation thing then? |
| 09:19.22 | DWSR | LOL |
| 09:19.29 | DWSR | anyone enjoy the bug at the ed of HoR? |
| 09:19.44 | ccox | zenzio - could be |
| 09:20.07 | ccox | zenzio: if so, they totally fail at testing |
| 09:22.12 | zenzio | ccox: wouldn't be the first time - did you hear about the Saboteur ATI problems? |
| 09:22.24 | ccox | nope, didn't hear about that one |
| 09:22.52 | DWSR | Anyone experience the bug at the end of Halls of Reflection? |
| 09:23.22 | zenzio | "It is not a small bug; rather, if you have an ATI video card and either Windows 7 or Windows Vista, the majority (90%) of users have the game crash after the title screen. Since the marketshare for ATI is nearly equal to that of Nvidia, and the ATI logo is adorning the front page of the Saboteur website, it seems like quite a large mistake to release the game in its current state." |
| 09:23.28 | zenzio | http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/12/09/0542246/Saboteur-Launch-Plagued-By-Problems-With-ATI-Cards |
| 09:24.39 | Corrodias | yay EA :| |
| 09:24.59 | zenzio | and of course, the first Slashdot comment... "Sounds like they've been sabotaged." |
| 09:25.35 | ccox | of course |
| 09:25.59 | Fisker | yay ATi :| |
| 09:26.59 | zenzio | Fisker: hard to tell from the article if it's a driver problem or a game problem; but either way the QA should have picked it up |
| 09:27.39 | zenzio | "How exactly is EA supposed to make their number's for this quarter if they have to delay releasing product until after they get it working?" - heh |
| 09:27.44 | Fisker | can't pick it up if you don't have ATi hardware zenzio |
| 09:28.28 | zenzio | Fisker: like the snippet I posted above said, the game's website features the ATi logo, you'd think they tried it on the hardware :) |
| 09:28.36 | Arrowmaster | "and the ATI logo is adorning the front page of the Saboteur website" |
| 09:28.57 | Arrowmaster | they probably did |
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| 09:28.59 | Arrowmaster | on XP |
| 09:29.03 | zenzio | good thing it wasn't nVidia... would be ironic to have "crashing" as "the way it's meant to be played" |
| 09:29.11 | Corrodias | lmao |
| 09:29.29 | Fisker | well then again nvidia actually give the developers the hardware to test it |
| 09:29.32 | Fisker | ATi doesn't |
| 09:30.08 | ccox | ATI does as well |
| 09:30.22 | ccox | ATI and NVidia both will help you test on their systems as well |
| 09:30.33 | zenzio | if a multi-million dollar game can't afford to buy a couple of thousand dollars worth of video cards for their QA/developers, they have misprioritised |
| 09:30.38 | ccox | Fisker - did you piss off ATI somehow? |
| 09:30.47 | Fisker | zenzio how do you afford something which isn't out? |
| 09:31.26 | zenzio | Fisker: I'm pretty sure the majority of these "90%" users crashing don't have brand new video cards |
| 09:31.45 | Fisker | naw ccox but there's been quite a few examples of bad results on ATi hardware due to ATi either not giving the developers good enough hardware or developement help, nor adjusting their drivers in time |
| 09:32.54 | zenzio | drivers shouldn't have to care about programs; programs should adhere to the rules. Obviously it's difficult, but riddling drivers with hacks for specific applications is just ugly |
| 09:35.10 | Kalroth | if (processname == 'quake3.exe') { quake3_optimization(); } |
| 09:35.43 | zenzio | that's what I object to |
| 09:35.56 | zenzio | I've seen prople suggest renaming a game's executable in order to fix problems |
| 09:36.15 | Fisker | Well then ATi is a great choice, they usually don't optimize their drivers at all ;) |
| 09:36.30 | Fisker | Or maybe you could make a software rendered |
| 09:36.33 | Fisker | renderer |
| 09:36.41 | Fisker | that'll have even worse performance |
| 09:36.43 | zenzio | I used my old ATi 9800 Pro until two years ago or thereabout, worked fine |
| 09:36.49 | Kalroth | ATi don't need to optimize their drivers, they make superior hardware |
| 09:37.07 | Fisker | haha, no. |
| 09:38.27 | mitch0 | I still use my ATI9600 PRO :) |
| 09:38.43 | Kalroth | I still use my 4870x2 :( |
| 09:39.05 | Wobin | argh |
| 09:39.11 | Wobin | why is clique not -working- for me? |
| 09:39.24 | Kalroth | Wobin: Aren't you a rogue? |
| 09:39.25 | Kalroth | :P |
| 09:39.31 | Wobin | not since BC |
| 09:39.38 | Kalroth | oh |
| 09:39.44 | Wobin | but it works -part- of the time |
| 09:39.47 | Wobin | and other times not at all |
| 09:39.54 | Wobin | and starts working with -some- buttons |
| 09:39.56 | Wobin | but not others |
| 09:40.04 | Wobin | I was healing out of the spellbook earlier =( |
| 09:40.14 | Fisker | l2p |
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| 09:41.00 | Wobin | pours 1000 litres of milk from his spellbook into Fisker's pants |
| 09:41.05 | Wobin | lrn2swim |
| 09:41.15 | Kalroth | finds a lighter .. wait, milk? |
| 09:41.15 | Balreign | using addons? |
| 09:41.42 | Wobin | using addons... what? |
| 09:42.08 | Balreign | I was thinking of an issue I had with totemtimers |
| 09:42.21 | Balreign | When I was beginning my shaman |
| 09:42.48 | Balreign | I had no totems to display, the frames wheres there but unclickable movable and else |
| 09:43.15 | Balreign | and sometimes I couldn't loot my mobs |
| 09:43.20 | Balreign | really disturbing |
| 09:43.25 | Wobin | hm, looks like I'm not the only one with issues |
| 09:43.31 | Wobin | Clique only appears to work -in combat- |
| 09:43.45 | zenzio | O_o |
| 09:43.50 | Wobin | yeah |
| 09:43.52 | zenzio | that sounds like the opposite of normal problems |
| 09:44.09 | Balreign | with button lock? |
| 09:44.13 | zenzio | someone duel me, I need to light a Basic Campfire! |
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| 09:45.35 | Wobin | yep |
| 09:45.38 | Wobin | in combat |
| 09:45.40 | Wobin | I can cast fine |
| 09:45.42 | Wobin | out of combat |
| 09:45.45 | Wobin | no such luck |
| 09:45.54 | DWSR | Wobin: You sure that you configured the right section of Clique? |
| 09:45.56 | DWSR | Stupid question |
| 09:45.58 | DWSR | But hey |
| 09:46.00 | Wobin | well |
| 09:46.03 | Wobin | 'helpful' |
| 09:46.07 | Wobin | always cast out of combat also |
| 09:46.13 | DWSR | Oh, then *shrug* |
| 09:46.14 | DWSR | No idea |
| 09:46.15 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: Clique is only working in combat? |
| 09:46.21 | Wobin | jnwhiteh, indeed =\ |
| 09:46.23 | jnwhiteh | in the latest version?/ |
| 09:46.26 | Wobin | 135? |
| 09:46.28 | jnwhiteh | I asked people to test it for me =) |
| 09:47.24 | jnwhiteh | why in the fuck are ptrs down |
| 09:47.33 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 09:47.44 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: i'll get a fix up soon |
| 09:47.47 | jnwhiteh | and you can test fo rme? |
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| 09:48.41 | Wobin | sure |
| 09:49.28 | Thunder_Child | no one should ever have the last name 'cummings' |
| 09:49.41 | DWSR | Anyone know if Loggerhead got updated to support ICC? |
| 09:49.47 | Wobin | least of all with a first name of Richard? |
| 09:50.32 | DWSR | Michael Hunt is bad. |
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| 09:54.13 | DJJeff | my minimap looks fucked up... I deleted everything in C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Cache\WDB\enUS |
| 09:54.19 | DJJeff | then I reloaded the UI |
| 09:54.26 | DJJeff | is there anything else I need to try? |
| 09:54.42 | DJJeff | I can make a screenshot if that would help |
| 09:55.52 | Thunder_Child | are you sure it's not from an addon? |
| 09:57.38 | DJJeff | I doubt it |
| 09:57.45 | DJJeff | I disabled SexyMap |
| 09:57.51 | DJJeff | and reloaded the UI |
| 09:58.03 | DJJeff | I guess I could disable all addons and try |
| 09:58.41 | tlund | deleting files in the Cache and reloading the UI.. hmm.. try restarting the client instead, if you didnt do that |
| 10:00.03 | DJJeff | already did that |
| 10:00.24 | DJJeff | C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Cache\WDB\enUS should be empty by default on patch day |
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| 10:02.00 | DJJeff | it would save alot of headaches and GM tickets |
| 10:03.20 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: http://pastey.net/130013 then let me know what happens. |
| 10:04.04 | DJJeff | http://i48.tinypic.com/209lrq0.jpg |
| 10:04.12 | DJJeff | ^^ - screenshot of my UI |
| 10:04.25 | DJJeff | its just my minimap is fucked up |
| 10:04.35 | spode | try disabling all addons? |
| 10:05.03 | DJJeff | I shouldn't have too |
| 10:05.07 | DJJeff | but I will def try |
| 10:05.21 | Corrodias | yes, no effort should be required to troubleshoot things |
| 10:05.36 | DJJeff | im playing World of Warcraft not World of Blizzard |
| 10:06.47 | DJJeff | im not looking for ADDON support when the blizzard UI doen't work with my ADDONS... I dunno |
| 10:06.55 | DJJeff | its just much of a headache |
| 10:07.05 | DJJeff | untill my ADDONS get updated |
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| 10:07.13 | DJJeff | which makes me not wanna play.... |
| 10:07.45 | Kaso | i dont get your point.. |
| 10:07.53 | mitch0 | QQ |
| 10:07.55 | Corrodias | that's what i did, though it wasn't because of UI changes |
| 10:07.56 | mitch0 | QQ MOAR |
| 10:09.52 | Kaso | DJJeff: why do you keep saying ADDONS in caps? |
| 10:10.14 | Kaso | also why shouldn't you have to disable all addons? |
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| 10:14.29 | DJJeff | because my ADDONS should just work with the UI |
| 10:14.41 | DJJeff | cause with the last patch they worked great |
| 10:14.59 | DJJeff | so 3.3 was a complete rewrite of the UI |
| 10:15.21 | Kaso | so you're saying blizzard should never improve their UI ever |
| 10:15.25 | DJJeff | which means the authors of the ADDONS cant keep up with UI changes |
| 10:15.42 | Wobin | damn you clad =( |
| 10:17.32 | Dezzimal | did the targetoftargetframe get renamed in 3.3? |
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| 10:18.41 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: ping |
| 10:18.52 | DJJeff | honestly I dont see alot of changes to the UI... not enough changes to break my ADDONS X_X |
| 10:19.20 | DJJeff | the new LFG thing is a blessing though |
| 10:19.26 | Cruciformer | there is one change I am extremely happy about: being able to get the addon name via ... |
| 10:19.43 | DJJeff | via what? |
| 10:19.50 | Cruciformer | vi a... at the top of the script |
| 10:19.51 | mitch0 | cruci: why is that so good? |
| 10:19.53 | adam` | the debuff is lame |
| 10:20.00 | Cruciformer | local addonName, privateAddonTable = ... |
| 10:20.24 | Cruciformer | mitch: Consider teh case where you have an embeddable library with tetures and you need to get teh texture path |
| 10:20.30 | DJJeff | is there an IRC channel that ADDON authors hangout in? |
| 10:20.33 | Cruciformer | *tetures |
| 10:20.38 | mitch0 | cruci: ah |
| 10:20.39 | Cruciformer | omg ... *textures |
| 10:20.43 | jnwhiteh | damn |
| 10:20.46 | jnwhiteh | most of the EU servers are uop |
| 10:20.50 | jnwhiteh | mine is gone |
| 10:20.53 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: pong? |
| 10:20.56 | mikma | awwwwwwwww |
| 10:21.00 | DJJeff | #wowaddons maybe? |
| 10:21.05 | Kaso | DJJeff: you're in it |
| 10:21.12 | Cruciformer | oh hey jnwhiteh ... if my ISP fubar or is wowprogramming having problems? |
| 10:21.14 | jnwhiteh | mikma: i'm gonna run a random dungeon of each =) |
| 10:21.29 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: loads immediately for me. |
| 10:21.44 | mikma | jnwhiteh: achievements, go! =) |
| 10:21.44 | jnwhiteh | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wowprogramming.com |
| 10:21.47 | Cruciformer | must be some kind of local issue then ... |
| 10:21.51 | jnwhiteh | mikma: which ones? |
| 10:22.17 | mikma | jnwhiteh: random dungeons with new system = achievements |
| 10:22.24 | jnwhiteh | cool |
| 10:22.29 | jnwhiteh | i just want the gold and loot and shit =) |
| 10:22.35 | jnwhiteh | nna tank? |
| 10:22.37 | Wobin | pft, sif we code addons |
| 10:22.49 | krka | i never code addons anymore :( |
| 10:22.51 | krka | i am too lazy |
| 10:23.03 | mikma | i coded myself a rune reminder! |
| 10:23.14 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: catch-22 ... downforeveryoneorjustme.com isnt resolving for me :) |
| 10:23.25 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: change your dns servers |
| 10:23.26 | jnwhiteh | 8 |
| 10:23.31 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 10:23.33 | jnwhiteh | 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 |
| 10:23.52 | krka | 8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8 |
| 10:23.58 | krka | for ip6 |
| 10:24.01 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:24.19 | Cruciformer | who does that belong to? I dont like just using random nameservers, its unfair to the owner |
| 10:24.26 | Kaso | google |
| 10:24.31 | jnwhiteh | Google =) |
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| 10:24.42 | jnwhiteh | their recently released public DNS servers |
| 10:25.43 | jnwhiteh | yay, servers are up! |
| 10:26.02 | mikma | jnwhiteh: how will sniffer work with the new system? |
| 10:26.12 | jnwhiteh | likely not at all |
| 10:26.19 | jnwhiteh | i dont know, haven't looked at the API yet. |
| 10:26.32 | Wobin | wow |
| 10:26.40 | Wobin | this dungeon finder is actually a pretty good way to make money |
| 10:26.56 | Wobin | ugh, except old kingdom =P |
| 10:27.02 | krka | make money? |
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| 10:27.20 | krka | you mean making a game that includes a dungeon finder to attract more customers, thus making you more money? |
| 10:28.10 | mikma | gah |
| 10:28.19 | mikma | addonhell today |
| 10:28.31 | Cruciformer | ok my ISP is officially fubar ... i can ping wowprogramming but I cant get web page to display. they;re probably doing their traffic shaping bullshit again. |
| 10:28.42 | Cruciformer | was 3.3 released today? |
| 10:28.51 | mikma | yes |
| 10:29.10 | Cruciformer | oh wow I better update my addons lickety split then |
| 10:30.29 | mikma | good thing i dont use addons that completely modify my ui/playing |
| 10:30.49 | Cruciformer | actually my addon works perfectly with out-of-date enabled |
| 10:31.12 | Cruciformer | but then its a simple loot distribution addon so it should. No fancy stuff here. |
| 10:32.03 | Kaso | the one thing i like about EU patch day being a day later is that it gives the addon authors an extra day to get things working |
| 10:32.14 | mikma | haste: if epgp breaks i am gonna kill you. |
| 10:32.20 | jnwhiteh | and blizz a chance to fix the issues they run into =) |
| 10:33.30 | Cruciformer | weird must be something very specific about the link between me and wherever you host wowprogramming.com ... I can load all other pages just fine just not that one |
| 10:33.43 | jnwhiteh | linode.com |
| 10:34.08 | Cruciformer | means nothing to me :) Only hosting company I know and use is serverbeach |
| 10:34.30 | Cruciformer | if it was good enough for youtube before google bought them its good enough for me |
| 10:35.52 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 10:36.13 | Cruciformer | ? |
| 10:37.26 | Dezzimal | isn't there a slash command in the default ui now to show the frame stack under the cursor? |
| 10:37.48 | Cruciformer | is it /dtframestack like the original devtools? |
| 10:37.52 | Dezzimal | it definitely wouldn't be /framestack |
| 10:37.57 | Dezzimal | because that would be too obvious >_> |
| 10:38.59 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.29 | EthanCentaurai | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.38 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.41 | jnwhiteh | duur. |
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| 10:43.33 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 10:43.36 | jnwhiteh | LFD is awesome =) |
| 10:44.17 | zenzio | damnit, stop making me want to go home from work >:< |
| 10:44.18 | mikma | so r u, ololol |
| 10:44.46 | Dezzimal | jnwhiteh: yea a little bit of sarcasm is all |
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| 10:54.30 | Audible | What are the experiences with 3.3 so far? |
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| 10:58.03 | Wobin | Audible, the random dungeon thing is good |
| 10:59.40 | Kaso | Has anyone gotten the 5man healer trinket yet? i need more info on what it procs on! |
| 11:00.10 | Wobin | I've not tried the new dungeon yet |
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| 11:01.52 | Wimp | I've been trying to get in here for AGES, god I hate my connection. |
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| 11:06.25 | Dezzimal | where would I find a list of all of the default frames? like Player, Target, PartyPet and so on? |
| 11:06.58 | Wimpface | Where can I find a list of what frames had their names changed? |
| 11:07.00 | Dezzimal | basically frames that can be operated on by RegisterForClicks |
| 11:07.30 | jnwhiteh | Dezzimal: you can't knowo all of them |
| 11:07.34 | jnwhiteh | the raid frames are created dynamically |
| 11:07.44 | Wimpface | Actually, functions etc that had their names changed aswell. |
| 11:07.44 | jnwhiteh | but the others are clear |
| 11:07.49 | jnwhiteh | clique has a list of them |
| 11:07.53 | jnwhiteh | Wimpface: the api diff |
| 11:08.00 | jnwhiteh | won't give you frame names |
| 11:08.02 | jnwhiteh | just functions |
| 11:08.04 | Wimpface | Few of my addons broke and I'm in the process of fixing them but I have no idea what "BuffButton_UpdateAnchors" has changed into. |
| 11:08.08 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/129958 |
| 11:08.09 | Wimpface | Thanks jnwhiteh. |
| 11:08.15 | jnwhiteh | Wimpface: look at the FrameXML diff |
| 11:08.21 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 11:08.31 | jnwhiteh | that will show you what changes between 3.2.2 and 3.3 code |
| 11:08.40 | Dezzimal | we might be looking fo rthe same thing Wimpface :/ |
| 11:08.49 | Dezzimal | thanks for that jnwhiteh |
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| 11:09.25 | mikma | for i=1,40 do if _G["RaidFrame"..i] then do shit() end xD |
| 11:09.26 | Wimpface | Dezzimal: What are you looking for then? I had my buffaddon get fucked to shit. |
| 11:09.43 | nevcairiel | thats because the whole buff system was rewritten :) |
| 11:09.51 | Dezzimal | Trying to see if TargetofTargetFrame was renamed? |
| 11:10.02 | nevcairiel | it was |
| 11:10.22 | nevcairiel | TargetFrameToT |
| 11:10.24 | nevcairiel | new name ^ |
| 11:10.48 | Wimpface | nevcairiel: For god's sake, why! :C |
| 11:11.02 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/7453293 |
| 11:11.05 | Wobin | that's pretty awesome |
| 11:11.30 | Dezzimal | thank you nevcairiel, no idea why I couldn't find that |
| 11:11.40 | nevcairiel | its created in Lua now |
| 11:12.01 | Dezzimal | if any of you want to commit a simple change to click2cast for me >_> |
| 11:12.09 | Dezzimal | line 46 |
| 11:12.19 | Wimpface | Hmm, I'm having problems with the diff page! |
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| 11:14.30 | Wimpface | What the hell did "BuffButton_UpdateAnchors(buttonName, index)" change into? |
| 11:14.40 | Wimpface | My hooksecurefunc is spitting out and error that it doesn't exist anymore. |
| 11:14.44 | Wimpface | an error * |
| 11:15.03 | Wimpface | But I can't fidn what it's called now. "BuffFrame_UpdateAllAnchors()" was not it |
| 11:16.26 | Cruciformer | well dont use the () in teh arg to hooksecurefunc for one |
| 11:16.53 | Cruciformer | its hooksecurefunc ("FunctionName", hook) not hooksecurefunc ("FunctionName()", hook) |
| 11:18.08 | Wimpface | Aaah. |
| 11:18.15 | Wimpface | Thanks Cruciformer, testing it now. |
| 11:19.18 | Wimpface | More errors, I have no idea how to fix this crap. |
| 11:19.32 | Cruciformer | you fixing your own mod or someone elses? |
| 11:19.36 | Wimpface | My own. |
| 11:20.11 | Wimpface | Was someone elses, but it's so modified that I renamed it as this UI will probably be uploaded soon and I didn't want the addon to be overridden by potential auto-updates. :p |
| 11:20.52 | Wimpface | It's not "THAT" modified, but it's modified a bit. |
| 11:21.41 | Wimpface | Wanna take a look, Cruciformer? |
| 11:22.01 | Cruciformer | Not particularly Im frantically trying to finish updating my own atm :) |
| 11:22.28 | Cruciformer | of course 3.3 would hit when I was making major internal changes and I have a shit-load of testing to do before I can release it. |
| 11:23.01 | Wimpface | Aww. |
| 11:23.17 | Wimpface | pats Cruciformer. |
| 11:23.26 | Cruciformer | purrs |
| 11:24.37 | Wimpface | Well, I better head to school. I'll have to look more into it when I get home. |
| 11:24.39 | Wimpface | Ciao! |
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| 11:42.39 | Jerub | is anyone else seeing the random dungeon rewards being buggy? |
| 11:42.44 | Jerub | I'm on 10 emblems of frost now |
| 11:42.59 | olafski | don't complain |
| 11:43.20 | olafski | seems like a good thing to me ,) |
| 11:47.32 | olafski | avg wait time 5 minutes |
| 11:47.35 | olafski | let's see how good this tool is :P |
| 11:48.53 | olafski | got instructor razuvious as weekly raid quest :D |
| 11:49.24 | olafski | also could someone tell me why an addon updating client would require "hardware accelerated graphics"? |
| 11:49.52 | Cairenn | what client? |
| 11:50.14 | olafski | curse v4 |
| 11:50.25 | mikma | curse you! |
| 11:50.38 | Cairenn | pokes the sleeping Kaelten and |ckknight| |
| 11:51.21 | Cairenn | hopefully they'll be able to answer you when they wake up |
| 11:51.26 | olafski | :) |
| 11:51.37 | Cairenn | given that |
| 11:51.47 | olafski | I don't mind that much.. it just seems a bit over the top for something that could just use the default OS widgets |
| 11:52.04 | Cairenn | that it's only like 6am there, though, I would hope that they are either still asleep, or just waking |
| 11:52.24 | Cairenn | I don't understand why CC does a number of the things it does /shrug |
| 11:54.16 | Beladona | maybe it is a check to make sure your drivers are capable of the game you are updating. But you would think they would tell you that in the message. |
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| 12:01.03 | Arrowmaster | olafski: its just using .NET crap |
| 12:01.27 | Arrowmaster | if theres some reason it requires 'hardware accelerated graphics' blame microsoft |
| 12:01.48 | Arrowmaster | WPF specifically i think |
| 12:02.20 | nevcairiel | like the whole windows ui requires it now, anyway :) |
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| 12:10.51 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone knows if Blizzard changed something about the launcher, so it no longer downloads to the public user folder on Vista/7 ? |
| 12:11.21 | nevcairiel | possible, i got the ptr patches in the ptr folder itself |
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| 12:13.52 | olafski | arrowmaster: well it doesn't "require" it, there's just a checkbox to turn it off and I was wondering what it does :P |
| 12:15.07 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 12:18.49 | Cruciformer | heh |
| 12:19.05 | Cruciformer | the new graphics for 3.3 looks like it says "Fail of the Lich King" - how appropriate :) |
| 12:19.28 | Maldivia | I read it as that the first time as well |
| 12:19.37 | zenzio | Cruciformer: several people have said that :) |
| 12:19.39 | olafski | got my first 2 epics from one heroic |
| 12:19.40 | olafski | :D |
| 12:19.46 | zenzio | grats |
| 12:19.51 | nevcairiel | fail or fall .. isnt it the same :D |
| 12:20.21 | olafski | nice looking shoulders too.. firy |
| 12:20.23 | olafski | fiery(?) |
| 12:20.25 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: well, you can fail at falling, but not fall at failing |
| 12:20.33 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 12:21.23 | olafski | I wonder if Rune of Lichbane is a good idea now that we're fighting mostly undead again |
| 12:21.24 | krka | i fail at falling all the time |
| 12:21.30 | krka | especially when sitting |
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| 12:22.43 | Maldivia | meaning you hit the chair instead of the floor your were going for? |
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| 12:30.29 | mitch0 | nevcairiel: is there a "standard" way of restoring part of an AceDB to its defaults? |
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| 12:31.31 | nevcairiel | no, can only restore the whole thing |
| 12:32.11 | mitch0 | nev: strange thing is: if I nil a table, it gets "some" defaults if I later reference it |
| 12:32.22 | mitch0 | just not the overrides from defaults |
| 12:32.56 | nevcairiel | if you just nil a table, you kill the metatables and stuff |
| 12:33.08 | mitch0 | like, profile.bars["*"] = { some stuff }; profile.bars[1].lala = 5;, lala won't get the 5 override for bar[1] |
| 12:33.37 | mitch0 | hm. then I'm Doing It Wrong |
| 12:33.39 | Arrowmaster | use wipe() on the table instead of nil'ing it mabye? |
| 12:34.08 | mitch0 | nev: will I get the "overrides" if I wipe() the table? |
| 12:34.33 | mitch0 | or, would it be possible to add an API for this sort of thing in AceDB? |
| 12:34.48 | nevcairiel | no idea and no |
| 12:34.59 | Cruciformer | very weird. GetStringWidth() is returning 4 less than it did on the same string in 3.2 |
| 12:35.21 | Cruciformer | (and yes, same font) |
| 12:36.09 | mitch0 | nev: how come it doesn't crash and burn if I nil it then? (given that it kills the metatable and such) |
| 12:36.26 | nevcairiel | why would it error? |
| 12:36.30 | nevcairiel | it just loses its functionality |
| 12:36.31 | Maldivia | Cruciformer: consistantly 4, or just 4 for that particular string ? |
| 12:36.37 | mitch0 | it stores stuff |
| 12:36.39 | Cruciformer | that seems like a pretty nasty bug to me. Its already caused my mod to render text incorrectly. |
| 12:36.50 | mitch0 | and it gets the defaults from ["*"] |
| 12:36.54 | Cruciformer | constantly 4 |
| 12:37.03 | Cruciformer | let me veryify it for a few string one sec |
| 12:37.32 | Zyn | [2009/12/09 12:44:43-1072-x1]: oUF-1.3.15\ouf.lua:207: attempt to index global 'TargetofTargetFrame' (a nil value) |
| 12:37.35 | Zyn | D% |
| 12:37.57 | Cruciformer | ZYn: TargetFrameToT is teh new name according to nevcairiel |
| 12:38.06 | Zyn | gosh |
| 12:38.08 | nevcairiel | oUF was fixed too |
| 12:38.14 | nevcairiel | dunno if haste released it or anything |
| 12:38.56 | Maldivia | Cruciformer: have you set a with on the FontString, and if not, what does GetWidth() return for the same strings ? |
| 12:38.57 | Cruciformer | yup it is consistention exactly 4 off on each call |
| 12:40.00 | Cruciformer | GetStringWidth() returns the actual length of the string in pixels, so Fontring:SetWidth() shouldnt affect it. |
| 12:40.24 | Maldivia | Cruciformer: yeah, but if width isn't set, GetWidth() used to return the string width as well |
| 12:40.27 | Cruciformer | But in this particular case the Fontstring:SetWidth() is 2048. Its a string length measuring function. |
| 12:41.07 | Cruciformer | but On about 30 strings now I see it is always exactly 4 off |
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| 12:41.48 | Cruciformer | thats pretty nasty. any code that relies on precise placement using it will be off now. |
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| 12:44.37 | foxlit | Hm, every time my item cache is wiped, my mount icon becomes that of the yellow qiraji tank :/ |
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| 12:49.08 | Kaso | foxlit what is it normally? |
| 12:49.21 | foxlit | A horse. |
| 12:49.45 | foxlit | Currently it's the swift alliance steed. |
| 12:49.53 | foxlit | It's also interesting that it's only my addon that bugs. |
| 12:50.30 | foxlit | So the companion cache is borked at some point during loading, but eventually recovers. |
| 12:50.34 | Maldivia | sounds weird, since mounts are spells now |
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| 12:51.13 | foxlit | Yellow Qiraji battle tank just happens to be the last mount in my list. |
| 12:52.55 | mitch0 | nev: why would it be so evil to expose the copyDefaults() function? |
| 12:53.08 | nevcairiel | because |
| 12:53.53 | nevcairiel | If you need to reset partial stuff, use a namespace for that partial part |
| 12:54.21 | mitch0 | uh-oh |
| 12:54.21 | Grum | since 3.3 the camera changes pitch to go back to 'normal' how can you kill that hard? |
| 12:54.34 | mitch0 | nev: is that hard? :) |
| 12:54.35 | Maldivia | interface -> camera -> never adjust |
| 12:54.48 | nevcairiel | I kinda liked the auto adjusting of the camera |
| 12:54.48 | mitch0 | nev: can I have a namespace inside .profile, for example? |
| 12:54.52 | nevcairiel | it felt so real |
| 12:55.06 | nevcairiel | move into a building, camera moves slowly down |
| 12:55.19 | Grum | nevcairiel: it completely sucks for raiding |
| 12:55.24 | Grum | where you lock your camera at a certain angle |
| 12:55.31 | Grum | and then .. oh lets just change it becaus you move lalolalol |
| 12:56.31 | olafski | I have it set to auto adjust horizontally |
| 12:56.39 | olafski | that seems to be as it was before (for me) |
| 12:56.57 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/jyicy_pic_art.jpg |
| 12:57.03 | Grum | olafski: yeah put it on that too |
| 12:57.07 | Cairenn | neat |
| 12:58.55 | zenzio | why do I think "Lady Gaga" when I see that picture? o_O |
| 12:59.01 | olafski | :P |
| 13:02.56 | Cruciformer | anybody have a 3.2 installation anywhere still? |
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| 13:04.25 | zenzio | I do, at home |
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| 13:06.47 | Lopeppeppy | Snowpocalypse! |
| 13:07.05 | Wobin | hm nice |
| 13:07.09 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: why do you need 3.2? |
| 13:07.11 | Wobin | I did the icc 5mans |
| 13:07.16 | Wobin | got the mp5 dagger |
| 13:07.17 | Legorol | they are fun, aren't they |
| 13:07.18 | Wobin | and the crit trinket |
| 13:07.29 | Cruciformer | jnwhite: To test how :GetStringWidth() is broken |
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| 13:07.43 | jnwhiteh | even if someone has the client.. they can't log in.. anywhere |
| 13:07.45 | Wobin | it's actually interesting to heal |
| 13:07.46 | jnwhiteh | so I dont' see how that helps. |
| 13:07.59 | Cruciformer | ah shit yes I forgot about that :( |
| 13:08.05 | jnwhiteh | what exactly is 'broken' |
| 13:08.11 | krka | except for using illegal private servers of course |
| 13:08.23 | Cruciformer | it is returning different values than it did in 3.2 and 3.1 |
| 13:08.26 | Lopeppeppy | Snowpocalypse!! |
| 13:08.36 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: so you say =) |
| 13:08.42 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't matter what it was returning |
| 13:08.42 | Cruciformer | so I say :) |
| 13:08.44 | jnwhiteh | what is it returning now. |
| 13:09.06 | Cruciformer | smaller values that are too narrow to contain the string if you size the string to its return value |
| 13:09.23 | jnwhiteh | well the PTR was up for three months =) |
| 13:09.39 | Cruciformer | so if I :SetWidth (str:GetStringWidth()) I think it will be broken. |
| 13:09.47 | Cruciformer | I will tst that now. |
| 13:10.14 | nevcairiel | cant you just set no width and let it auto-resize on string contents? |
| 13:10.21 | Cruciformer | ah ok and the fact that the tst realm was up ais a good reason not to be concerned about a long-standing API now returning different values? |
| 13:10.23 | Lopeppeppy | And in other news, my heat works better when the thermostat has working batteries. |
| 13:10.34 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: no, i'm saying you shoudl have checked it in the past three months. |
| 13:10.51 | jnwhiteh | shit changes, and you need to be aware of it.. and you're aware of it by logging into the PTR that they provide in order to catch issues |
| 13:10.52 | Cruciformer | nev: Not if I want to place frames precisely, for example, place a button to the right of a string. |
| 13:11.05 | jnwhiteh | but let me know what you find out |
| 13:11.10 | jnwhiteh | I didn't see any issues in any of my addons with this. |
| 13:11.17 | nevcairiel | Cruciformer: so anchor the button to the string |
| 13:12.42 | Cruciformer | nevcairel: Ok here's a better example of where I actually use it, not a contribrd example. I want to make a popup menu that has a list of strings. I want the menu sized just big enough to hold the widest string. I used to measure all of the strings with :GetStringWidth() and size the frame accordingly. Now the frame is too small. |
| 13:12.45 | olafski | bah random HC keeps putting me in pit of saron :( |
| 13:12.53 | Cruciformer | *contrived example. |
| 13:15.26 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.30 | jnwhiteh | works, perfectly |
| 13:15.49 | jnwhiteh | fyi |
| 13:16.06 | Cruciformer | http://wowui.pastey.net/130020 |
| 13:16.33 | Wobin | damnit |
| 13:16.39 | Wobin | I didn't actually get the crit trinket |
| 13:16.44 | Cruciformer | returns slightly different numbers on 3.3 and 3.2 |
| 13:16.49 | Wobin | I got booted from the instance server before I could |
| 13:17.28 | Cruciformer | on 3.3 it returns 69,12 7,12 73,10 6,10 |
| 13:17.31 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: that may be the case, perhaps the font rendering changed somehow |
| 13:17.36 | jnwhiteh | who knows |
| 13:17.42 | jnwhiteh | but I can size a string to fit its contents |
| 13:17.51 | jnwhiteh | if you're seeing somethign otherwise, provide a simple example |
| 13:17.52 | Cruciformer | on 3.2 it returns 71,12 8,12 76,10 7,10 |
| 13:18.14 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, Snowpocalypse? |
| 13:18.35 | Lopeppeppy | A few inches of snow, and now we're getting sleet and freezing rain on top of it, Wobin. |
| 13:18.46 | jnwhiteh | the difference in numbers doesn't matter |
| 13:18.53 | jnwhiteh | break it down to a simple example, like I've done. |
| 13:18.57 | jnwhiteh | and find something that doesn't work |
| 13:20.07 | Cruciformer | Im going to have to dig through my dropdown code to find where its placing/sizing the string (which renders perfectly in 3.2 and the string gets elipses in 3.3). I'll get back to you. |
| 13:20.38 | jnwhiteh | I'm not disputing there was a change |
| 13:20.42 | jnwhiteh | but _what_ the change was doesn't matter |
| 13:21.01 | jnwhiteh | as far as I can tell, GetStringWidth() continues to return a value that does not truncate the string when set to that width |
| 13:21.07 | Cruciformer | yeah I know where you're coming from. I have a usage case where it does, I just want to distill it down to a 2 or 3 line example. |
| 13:21.30 | jnwhiteh | i'm off for a bit, brb |
| 13:25.13 | mikma | thathaa |
| 13:40.57 | mikma | scytheblade1: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/left_4_dead_2_zombie_gingerbre.php |
| 13:45.19 | Lopeppeppy | I wonder why I decided my catalog stuff has to be in IE. Hmm... whatever. |
| 13:45.28 | DJJeff | if a realm restarts why does it kick me from my group? |
| 13:45.35 | DJJeff | if im in an instance |
| 13:45.42 | DJJeff | thats pretty f'ed up man |
| 13:45.56 | DJJeff | today I had a instance restart |
| 13:46.06 | DJJeff | then a f'ing server restart |
| 13:46.12 | mikma | omg omg omg |
| 13:46.14 | mikma | bananas! |
| 13:46.15 | DJJeff | both times I was in a instance |
| 13:46.21 | Lopeppeppy | I think it boots everyone from instances before a server restart. |
| 13:46.28 | mikma | stop the whining already, it's patchday |
| 13:46.37 | DJJeff | ya so.... |
| 13:46.37 | Lopeppeppy | It's right after a major patch, this crap is gonna happen for the first few days. |
| 13:46.46 | DJJeff | there should be 0 bugs |
| 13:46.51 | DJJeff | on patch day |
| 13:46.57 | DJJeff | or very few |
| 13:47.10 | Lopeppeppy | Then next time, you should spend more time on the PTR to catch the bugs, instead of complaining about the bugs. |
| 13:47.11 | DJJeff | why break something that works X_X |
| 13:47.12 | krka | you haven't worked in software development, have you? :) |
| 13:47.18 | alestane | DJJeff: *snortsnurfhorkhorkchoke* |
| 13:47.18 | Cruciformer | DJJeff: time to back away from the pipe and just say no to crack. |
| 13:47.26 | DJJeff | lol |
| 13:48.01 | DJJeff | how long does a realm take to "restart" |
| 13:48.14 | DJJeff | a few min? hours? days? |
| 13:48.21 | Lopeppeppy | That can vary. If it's just a restart, 5 - 15 minutes. |
| 13:48.25 | mikma | ages |
| 13:48.32 | Cruciformer | 7842 seconds. |
| 13:48.41 | Lopeppeppy | If it's gone down for some tech reason, you have to keep checking the Realm Status page for when it comes back up. |
| 13:49.23 | DJJeff | oh well..... time to check Curse for ADDON updates :) |
| 13:49.39 | DJJeff | found a few already earlier :) |
| 13:49.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, downtime is good for that. |
| 13:49.59 | DJJeff | yes it is |
| 13:50.14 | Cruciformer | now if only I could get through to wowace.com :/ |
| 13:50.20 | Jerub | hah |
| 13:50.24 | DJJeff | I subscribe to Curse Premium |
| 13:50.31 | Jerub | you know how if you leave the party it teleports you back to where you were? |
| 13:50.37 | Jerub | in a random dungeon |
| 13:50.42 | DJJeff | its fun cause I got to beta test for Curse :) |
| 13:50.44 | Jerub | don't be the last to do it. the last person has to hearth |
| 13:51.26 | Jerub | i have 14 EoF now. every random dungeon is droping them |
| 13:52.09 | Bruners | did the patch break wow for anyone on wine ? :P |
| 13:52.12 | Wobin | the random heroics are pretty decent cash |
| 13:52.16 | Wobin | if you don't die too much |
| 13:52.32 | Lopeppeppy | Bruners, a lot of people were unhappy trying to update their wine installs last night, yes. |
| 13:52.50 | Bruners | the update went smooth |
| 13:52.55 | Bruners | even did a random heroic |
| 13:53.18 | Bruners | then i enabled mapster and hell was here |
| 13:53.34 | Bruners | not mapsters fault obviously |
| 13:57.04 | alestane | Now I have to remember how to get into WoWI's SVN. |
| 13:57.14 | alestane | Fortunately I think I have my info saved ina client program. |
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| 14:04.56 | jnwhiteh | alestane: http://wowinterface.com/svn.php |
| 14:04.59 | jnwhiteh | all the information you need is there. |
| 14:05.31 | alestane | Found my client, it has the project, just trying to resolve a password issue now. |
| 14:05.36 | Arrowmaster | Bruners: i updated fine except for the permissions issue but i didnt try running it |
| 14:05.42 | Arrowmaster | but im going to sleep now |
| 14:05.57 | Bruners | didnt get any permission issues this time |
| 14:06.19 | Bruners | was just dalaranaids that made the shit crash |
| 14:09.22 | Wobin | http://img23.imageshack.us/i/failoflk.jpg/ |
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| 14:14.02 | Wimpface | Now to figure this shit out. |
| 14:14.39 | Wimpface | Anyone with Buff-AddOn-Knowledge that have some spare time to help me out with this crap? :( |
| 14:15.25 | alestane | Depends how bad the crap is. |
| 14:16.22 | Wimpface | Well. |
| 14:16.23 | Wimpface | Not that bad. |
| 14:16.37 | Wimpface | http://pastey.net/130017 -- error at the bottom, I have zero idea how to solve it. |
| 14:20.44 | foxlit | UpdateBuffAnchors doesn't get a string as the first argument. |
| 14:21.18 | Wimpface | Hm? |
| 14:21.36 | alestane | The prototype may have changed, I just had to fix a very similar error in UnitFrameBuffs. |
| 14:21.39 | foxlit | That's what your error message is telling you |
| 14:22.22 | alestane | The function went from being (BuffFrameName, ...) to being (unitFrame, BuffFrameName, ...). Check the FrameXML function you're calling, it may have changed. |
| 14:22.36 | Wimpface | It has |
| 14:22.48 | Wimpface | it went from BuffButton_UpdateAnchors to BuffFrame_UpdateAllAnchors |
| 14:23.01 | alestane | And did the arguments change as well? |
| 14:23.03 | Wimpface | But I have no idea how to fix the error even though I know what the error is, should I tostring it? |
| 14:23.18 | Wimpface | I don't really know, hang on and I'll show you |
| 14:23.29 | Wimpface | Original |
| 14:23.30 | Wimpface | -function BuffButton_UpdateAnchors(buttonName, index) |
| 14:23.35 | Wimpface | New |
| 14:23.35 | Wimpface | +function BuffFrame_UpdateAllBuffAnchors() |
| 14:23.47 | Wimpface | Does that mean they removed the arguments or are they the same? |
| 14:24.05 | alestane | That funciton has no arguments. |
| 14:24.18 | alestane | The architecture you're calling into appears to have changed. |
| 14:24.20 | Elkano | most likely the new function has an internal loop I think |
| 14:24.39 | alestane | You're going to have to review how the new functions work, and possibly adjust your strategy accordingly. |
| 14:25.12 | Wimpface | :'''C |
| 14:25.19 | Wimpface | WTB auto-fixing addons. |
| 14:25.21 | Wimpface | :( |
| 14:31.55 | Wobin | http://www.aspectofthehare.net/2009/12/linux-post-how-to-fix-the-r6034-error-upon-installing-patch-3-3.html |
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| 14:34.03 | Adys | If youâve been to a big concert, or a ball game, with a big crowd of other people, you know what happens when itâs time to leave. No matter how big the exit is, everybody gets jammed up and it goes really slowly. |
| 14:34.03 | Adys | Engineers in Japan have been looking at whatâs going on and how to fix it. What they found makes no sense to us, but it seems to work. Obstacles speed up exiting crowds. |
| 14:34.41 | zenzio | yeah, heard that |
| 14:34.49 | zenzio | something like obstacles at 30 degrees to the wall? |
| 14:34.58 | Adys | http://news.discovery.com/tech/obstacles-reduce-crowd-jams.html |
| 14:35.24 | Balreign_ | awesome! |
| 14:35.43 | Wobin | Adys, it's kinda like the traffic jam effect |
| 14:35.48 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/09/funny-pictures-someone-press-play/ |
| 14:35.59 | Cairenn | lol |
| 14:36.00 | Lopeppeppy | It's like, forcing a merge before the point of jam, so that the major jam doesn't happen. |
| 14:36.26 | Adys | i bet Cairenn has ichc on highlight |
| 14:36.33 | Cairenn | nope |
| 14:36.40 | Cairenn | just happened to look at the channel right then |
| 14:36.50 | Wobin | suuure |
| 14:37.07 | Wobin | it's subconscious psychic detection of an ichc link =) |
| 14:37.10 | Wimpface | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.25 | Adys | Wobin: Builtin features =) |
| 14:37.32 | zenzio | Cairenn has me on highlight, not ICHC |
| 14:37.46 | Adys | who the hell are you, go away! |
| 14:39.32 | Lopeppeppy | Eyes in the back of our heads! |
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| 14:51.16 | Wimpface | I just don't see how to fix this. Ohwell. |
| 14:51.31 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes things can't be fixed, sometimes it's easier to start over. |
| 14:54.24 | nevcairiel | if starting over can fix the problem, it can be fixed without doing so, too |
| 14:54.27 | nevcairiel | might just be harder |
| 14:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | Cost/benefit analysis, nevcairiel. :P |
| 14:55.50 | nevcairiel | just "can't be fixed" isnt true :D |
| 14:56.11 | Lopeppeppy | Fine, be pedantic before noon. *blows raspberries* |
| 14:56.34 | nevcairiel | its 4pm, i'm allowed to |
| 14:58.43 | Adys | can some windows players confirm they sometimes get huge lootsparkles above much smaller objects for quests etc? |
| 14:58.53 | Adys | like the cheese in dalaran for the cooking quest |
| 15:02.01 | mikma | does the "disenchant" require a disser in the group? |
| 15:03.31 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 15:04.10 | Wobin | they have to be of appropriate level too |
| 15:05.32 | Adys | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Very-Little,-Very-Late.aspx#Pic3 |
| 15:12.36 | Kazie | Is there some application where you can preview the look of an addon or do you really have to open and close wow all the time? |
| 15:12.51 | jnwhiteh | just leave wow open :P |
| 15:13.05 | Kazie | hmm? |
| 15:13.16 | Kazie | How does it catch anything new then? |
| 15:13.50 | foxlit | So the minimap can't be closed now |
| 15:14.23 | jnwhiteh | Kazie: you reload the user interface? |
| 15:14.28 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 15:14.31 | Fisker | you're crashing my WoW |
| 15:14.32 | Fisker | stop it |
| 15:14.35 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: no U |
| 15:14.35 | Fisker | STOP IT |
| 15:14.55 | Kazie | I didn't know that would load kinds of changes :) |
| 15:15.25 | jnwhiteh | Kazie: it loads any changes to existing files |
| 15:15.31 | jnwhiteh | if you need to add a file, you do have to close the clien |
| 15:15.35 | jnwhiteh | but that's easy to deal with |
| 15:15.48 | Kazie | Okay great. :) |
| 15:18.37 | Adys | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Multiple-Message-Messages.aspx#Pic2 |
| 15:19.04 | Fisker | So anyone else had WoW freeze every 30-60 minutes or so? |
| 15:20.17 | olafski | am I seeing right that atlasloot does not have the pit of saron in it? |
| 15:21.51 | Fisker | atlasloot sucks |
| 15:22.52 | olafski | do you have a better one? +) |
| 15:22.55 | Fisker | yes |
| 15:24.04 | olafski | http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/quagmire_cherry_pop_energy_drink.php giggle |
| 15:24.07 | olafski | well, do tell |
| 15:24.21 | Fisker | research |
| 15:24.28 | Fisker | or yssbossloot |
| 15:25.01 | olafski | let's see |
| 15:25.05 | olafski | and what's wrong with atlasloot? :> |
| 15:25.20 | Fisker | it sucks |
| 15:25.39 | olafski | I see |
| 15:25.42 | olafski | very convincing |
| 15:25.51 | Fisker | it should be |
| 15:26.12 | olafski | agreed, your word is the law |
| 15:27.23 | Adys | olafski: for once Fisker is right, him saying so should be enough |
| 15:27.42 | Lopeppeppy | You were complaining about it too, why are you surprised Fisker agreed with you? :) |
| 15:28.12 | olafski | was I complaining? |
| 15:28.26 | olafski | generally that would sound different |
| 15:28.35 | olafski | adys: you'll forgive me if I don't agree with that statement ,) |
| 15:28.42 | olafski | or not.. doesn't matter to me |
| 15:29.51 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/276111858 |
| 15:30.03 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/091209.html |
| 15:31.30 | Fisker | slaps cog|away around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:36.54 | olafski | some cool looking lewt in the new heroics |
| 15:37.16 | olafski | Ghoulslicer is huge ,) |
| 15:43.08 | jnwhiteh | TomTom now supports setting waypoints from the POIs in the watchframe and the world map =) |
| 15:44.05 | durcyn | ~seen Tuller |
| 15:44.09 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@pool-72-84-246-12.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 19h 52m 2s ago, saying: 'Fisker: to me that means what is being passed to the frame is not correct :P'. |
| 15:46.59 | Lopeppeppy | jnwhiteh, you're a genius! |
| 15:47.22 | jnwhiteh | not quite, lol |
| 15:48.33 | durcyn | okay, i slept through the PTR, what happened to GetFrameType? |
| 15:48.57 | nevcairiel | GetObjectType now |
| 15:52.38 | Wimpface | foxlit: Exactly. |
| 15:52.56 | foxlit | Wimpface: mm? |
| 15:53.27 | Wimpface | <foxlit> So the minimap can't be closed now |
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| 15:53.56 | foxlit | Ah. Kind of meh, I liked that you could get rid of it on ocasion. |
| 15:54.12 | Wimpface | Get an addon to hide it when pressing a button. |
| 15:54.26 | olafski | why would they remove that feature? |
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| 16:06.58 | Kazie | Anyone know if there's a way to recover something you just deleted with shift+delete ? :D |
| 16:07.30 | Kazie | I just did that thinking i copied my backup.. but i didn't notice i CUT my backup so i have no backup anymore lol :D |
| 16:07.51 | nevcairiel | lucky its only a backup, so you still have the original data, right? :) |
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| 16:09.28 | Kazie | No.. i was taking my backup to use, but for some reason a chat-bg wiht uttons was in the middle of the screen even tho i disabled all addons.. so i delted my WTF folder, believing my backup still existed.. but i unfortunately hit ctrl+x instead of ctrl+c when i re-installed that backup.. grrrrr... :D |
| 16:10.02 | Kazie | And i have this braindead habit of deleting folders and files with shift+delete so i doesn't use the recyclebin :) |
| 16:10.33 | nevcairiel | can look for one of those undelete tools |
| 16:10.38 | nevcairiel | but they usually don't work that good |
| 16:10.51 | Kazie | Sigh.. it took me several hours to setup this UI :s |
| 16:10.58 | Kazie | not mention a whole afternoon |
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| 16:16.04 | jnwhiteh | Just released a version of TomTom on WowI and Curse that supports adding waypoints by clicking on quest POIs in the world frame or watch frame. By default, it's set up to use control-right-click. |
| 16:16.50 | Duman | nice |
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| 16:22.12 | foxlit | Is anyone actually using the 3.1 animation system? |
| 16:22.24 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 16:22.26 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 16:22.42 | foxlit | I'm probably missing something. |
| 16:22.52 | jnwhiteh | k, i have examples of each kind =) |
| 16:23.38 | foxlit | I have a working version, the results are just not what you'd expect. |
| 16:24.10 | jnwhiteh | hrm, whats the issue? |
| 16:25.23 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/temp/anim |
| 16:25.47 | Zyn | trippy |
| 16:25.52 | foxlit | I basically have a texture that's symmetric along both X and Y axis. |
| 16:26.13 | foxlit | So in the interests of not shipping a bazillion kB tga, I split it into a single quadrant, and re-create it using four textures. |
| 16:26.25 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 16:26.50 | foxlit | Those textures CENTER points are anchored to position them correctly, and you occasionally notice them aligning. |
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| 16:27.28 | foxlit | However, instead of rotating textures around the frame's center, the animation appears to be rotating each texture around its own center. |
| 16:27.40 | nevcairiel | that must look funny |
| 16:27.45 | jnwhiteh | i think you can set the origin of the rotation |
| 16:27.51 | jnwhiteh | are you doing that? |
| 16:27.55 | foxlit | I linked a video, it is :) |
| 16:28.03 | foxlit | No, I'm not |
| 16:28.04 | AckisWork | if any of you is a chic or has a chic you're looking to get a stocking stuffer for, look at http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/florida-skies/7435255 <-- friends first book that she published and it's cheap too :D |
| 16:28.43 | foxlit | so Rotation:SetOrigin(point, offsetX, offsetY) |
| 16:29.23 | foxlit | But that works on the texture, and the texture is owned by the animation group for the entire frame. |
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| 16:29.48 | foxlit | s/texture/animation |
| 16:30.00 | jnwhiteh | you may need to set the animation group on the texture, rather than on the frame |
| 16:30.20 | jnwhiteh | make four animations, instead of one. |
| 16:30.33 | foxlit | Kind of meh, really. |
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| 16:30.50 | foxlit | So four animation groups |
| 16:30.56 | nevcairiel | that sounds like a flaw, shouldnt you be able to rotate a big frame with sub-frames as one? |
| 16:31.06 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: in theory yes, but that's not how it actually works. |
| 16:31.16 | foxlit | That API is... well, strange. |
| 16:31.25 | alestane | There are elements of the animation system that aren't really fully developed yet. |
| 16:32.00 | foxlit | I think they just plainly ignore subframes. |
| 16:32.22 | foxlit | The saving grace here is that all of those textures are actually owned by one frame, yet the animation is applied to each separately. |
| 16:32.24 | jnwhiteh | pretty much, yep/ |
| 16:33.21 | jnwhiteh | Why is EVERYONE doing [Patchwerk must Die!] |
| 16:33.50 | nevcairiel | this weeks raid quest? |
| 16:34.16 | foxlit | The emblems are enticing |
| 16:34.22 | Kazie | Omg.. even when i delete my fonts, interface and WTF folders i still have an extra chat frame in-game.. however this doesn't have the actual chat(text) or tabs.. only scroll and background.. Do any of you know the solution to this? |
| 16:35.08 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 16:35.12 | jnwhiteh | i didn't know there were "raid quests" |
| 16:35.15 | jnwhiteh | where do I get them? |
| 16:35.19 | alestane | The number of shat frames you have is stored on the server. |
| 16:35.19 | alestane | chat* |
| 16:35.38 | AckisWork | jnwhiteh: place where there were the old daily dungeon quests |
| 16:35.43 | jnwhiteh | ty |
| 16:35.58 | alestane | If you hover over it, there should be a tab that you can use to remove it. |
| 16:36.33 | Kazie | alestane: like i said.. there are no tabs.. only scroll buttons and background.. |
| 16:36.42 | Kazie | and there are no chat text in the actual frame |
| 16:38.11 | Adys | out of curiousity, jnwhiteh, Cairenn & co. do you have some kind of sitemap for google or something similar? |
| 16:38.23 | alestane | Try turning on the framestack so you can pin down which one it is. |
| 16:38.26 | Adys | I can't search addons by name on google unless they're popular |
| 16:38.38 | Adys | which is exceedingly annoying :P |
| 16:40.17 | Kazie | isn't that just about making your search a bit more specific? |
| 16:40.41 | Cairenn | Adys: what browser are you using? |
| 16:40.53 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: so splitting it into four works. |
| 16:41.10 | Adys | chrome, and I have to use the author name to make it that specific Kazie |
| 16:41.14 | foxlit | I wonder if they can desynchronize, though. |
| 16:41.16 | Adys | eg |
| 16:41.17 | Adys | http://www.google.gr/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=linkhover+wowinterface&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 16:41.24 | Adys | I find it on Fin's website first |
| 16:41.27 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: i suspected as such, but I doubt it. |
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| 16:41.49 | Kazie | What addon exactly is it you're looking for? |
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| 16:42.33 | Adys | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15002-LinkHoverStandalone.html in this case but this happened with some others too |
| 16:42.35 | Adys | hi Kalroth! |
| 16:42.41 | Kalroth | haay |
| 16:42.44 | zenzelezz | Additional instances cannot be launched. |
| 16:42.46 | Kalroth | hows u |
| 16:42.46 | zenzelezz | QQs |
| 16:42.54 | Lopeppeppy | I search the sites themselves by keyword. |
| 16:43.16 | Adys | Kalroth: I met Fin on the internets! |
| 16:43.23 | Kalroth | Adys: o m g |
| 16:43.23 | Adys | http://www.google.gr/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=linkhover+wowinterface&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 16:43.26 | Adys | LOOK WHO LINKS ME |
| 16:43.38 | Kalroth | :D |
| 16:43.50 | Kalroth | where is he anyways, haven't heard from him in aages |
| 16:44.17 | Ginji | bah! can't even update wow due to wine being silly |
| 16:44.33 | Cairenn | Adys: the reason I asked about browser: http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engines.html?name=wow&skipcache=yes ... there's a WoWI search engine |
| 16:45.02 | nevcairiel | people still google |
| 16:45.04 | Adys | Cairenn: chrome has a builtin search feature for sites |
| 16:45.13 | Cairenn | as for google search stuff, you'll need to talk to Dolby about that, I dunno :) |
| 16:45.14 | Adys | although uhhhh |
| 16:45.24 | Adys | somehow the wowi search engine isn't respected |
| 16:45.40 | Adys | I type d, "press tab to search db.mmo-champion.com" |
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| 16:45.58 | Adys | d<tab>foo<enter> http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/all/foo/ |
| 16:46.07 | Audible | Adys : is Prat something you came up with ? What does it mean? |
| 16:46.21 | nevcairiel | prat is an addon |
| 16:46.29 | Adys | wow<tab>bar<enter> http://www.wowhead.com/?search=bar |
| 16:46.30 | Adys | etc |
| 16:47.11 | Adys | prat is a chat addon that can use modules for chat enhancements |
| 16:47.22 | Adys | linkhover is a standalone version of prat's linkhover module |
| 16:47.55 | Adys | b<tab>hello<enter> http://bugs.winehq.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=hello |
| 16:47.58 | Adys | man I love chrome |
| 16:48.05 | Dolby | what are you talking about? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/search.php?search=fubar |
| 16:48.18 | Adys | Dolby: I'm talking about google search |
| 16:48.20 | Adys | not the website search |
| 16:50.03 | Adys | man chrome is awesome |
| 16:50.09 | Adys | anyhow, rebooting brb |
| 16:50.11 | Cairenn | (2009-12-09 11:38:10) Adys: out of curiousity, jnwhiteh, Cairenn & co. do you have some kind of sitemap for google or something similar? |
| 16:50.11 | Cairenn | (2009-12-09 11:38:24) Adys: I can't search addons by name on google unless they're popular |
| 16:50.11 | Cairenn | (2009-12-09 11:38:36) Adys: which is exceedingly annoying :P |
| 16:50.12 | Cairenn | (2009-12-09 11:41:15) Adys: http://www.google.gr/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=linkhover+wowinterface&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 16:50.32 | Adys | Cairenn: I think Dolby was not interested by the subject. |
| 16:50.46 | Cairenn | more likely having problems because of the storm |
| 16:50.50 | Adys | :P |
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| 16:53.04 | Kazie | Anyone know where i can download the texture for a "solid" border for KgPanels? .. it's not there by default for some reason :o |
| 16:53.06 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:53.18 | Lopeppeppy | Snowpocalypse, Lunessa! |
| 16:53.29 | Lunessa | Snow day for Peppy? |
| 16:53.39 | cog|away | wants snow |
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| 16:54.01 | Lopeppeppy | Working from home, yeah. |
| 16:54.07 | Lopeppeppy | There will be ice laid on top of this snow anon. |
| 16:54.12 | cog|work | lol... http://thefuckingweather.com/ is having performance issues >< |
| 16:54.21 | Ginji | Wants Snow! |
| 16:54.24 | cog|work | "The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later." |
| 16:54.36 | Ginji | The server is feeling under the weather? |
| 16:54.42 | cog|work | ~rimshot |
| 16:54.43 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
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| 16:54.46 | Adys | cog|work: you mean fucking pers issues |
| 16:54.53 | Adys | perf\ |
| 16:55.03 | Ginji | perv |
| 16:55.12 | Adys | that fails |
| 16:55.35 | Ginji | You started it! |
| 16:56.36 | amro | why does tfw link to a scam? |
| 16:57.02 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: they do fall out of sync when hidden :( |
| 16:57.34 | amro | http://www.earthshod.com/catalog.html |
| 16:57.40 | foxlit | [Well, animations that are hidden do not advance, so I have a problem there] |
| 16:57.43 | amro | twitter. take that, miss cleo |
| 16:59.39 | Kraps | ~rimshot |
| 16:59.40 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 16:59.47 | Kraps | niiiiiice |
| 17:00.01 | Ginji | http://instantrimshot.com/ |
| 17:01.55 | jnwhiteh | Cairenn: yes, we have a sitemap |
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| 17:03.03 | Ginji | How about a google map of your sitemap ? |
| 17:03.08 | Cairenn | I thought we did, but I wasn't sure |
| 17:03.17 | foxlit | This animation stuff is awesome for providing impressive failures. |
| 17:04.16 | Yssaril | foxlit: what are you trying to animate? |
| 17:04.21 | Ginji | the dead |
| 17:04.33 | foxlit | Just a rotating texture. |
| 17:05.20 | Adys | ~ping |
| 17:05.21 | purl | ~pong |
| 17:05.55 | Yssaril | foxlit: how is that failing for you the simple rotate animation should take care of it easy enough |
| 17:07.06 | foxlit | Yssaril: See, ordinarily, it would be. However, my actual texture only contains one quadrant of the image I wish to rotate around its center. |
| 17:07.14 | foxlit | So I have four textures that have to rotate around a single point. |
| 17:07.51 | Yssaril | ahhh |
| 17:09.06 | foxlit | Which isn't actually all that bad in texcoord land -- just math. |
| 17:09.29 | nevcairiel | 8 argument tex coord can do many nice things |
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| 17:09.34 | nevcairiel | if you know how to calculate it |
| 17:10.01 | foxlit | The 3.1 animation primitives remove the need to do any math, but substitute it with coding around their eccentricities. |
| 17:10.43 | Yssaril | foxlit: at least they removed a bunch of eccentricities it had in 3.2 :) |
| 17:10.58 | foxlit | I haven't noticed. |
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| 17:13.12 | Kraps | pleeeeeeease dont eat smelly foods at work people |
| 17:13.55 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/130033-12di << yowch |
| 17:14.08 | foxlit | Works, but is not pretty. |
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| 17:20.37 | Lopeppeppy | Freezing rain! |
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| 17:23.58 | Kazie | Can someone help me add the "solid" border texture to KgPanels border textures. It's not there by default like it is everywhere else. |
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| 17:26.58 | Lunessa | Kazie: If you need more textures, it's probably in Shared Media. |
| 17:27.24 | Kazie | I have that too, but it's just not showing up as a choice for border in KgPanels.. it is in TipTac however. :s |
| 17:27.59 | Lunessa | Try adding the texture to your "Library" in kgPanels. |
| 17:30.38 | Lunessa | foxlit: is that new animation for OPie? |
| 17:30.53 | Kazie | Lunessa: I'm not really sure how to do that :) |
| 17:31.13 | Lunessa | Kazie: It's in the "Help" for kgPanels. |
| 17:40.59 | Kazie | I fail so terribly.. added it to KgPanels lib and SharedMedia now.. not there ;O |
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| 17:48.35 | cog|work | http://microsuede.blogspot.com/2009/11/movie-review-twilight-saga-new-moon.html |
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| 17:59.37 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/673/ |
| 18:00.33 | Kraps | cog|work: im not done yet buy\t that is crazy awesome |
| 18:00.50 | Kraps | s/buy\t/but |
| 18:06.40 | Lunessa | cog|work: http://graphjam.com/2009/12/07/funny-graphs-new-moon/ |
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| 18:10.34 | NeoTron | anyone actually in WoW atm or able to be? |
| 18:10.47 | nevcairiel | i am |
| 18:10.52 | kdtresh | so am i |
| 18:11.02 | NeoTron | target an npc, and do /dump UnitGUID("target") for me |
| 18:11.04 | NeoTron | please |
| 18:11.11 | NeoTron | my guid parsing is wrong |
| 18:12.11 | nevcairiel | 0xF13000736C0071D1 |
| 18:12.15 | nevcairiel | soem vendor in dalaran |
| 18:12.17 | jnwhiteh | GUIDs have changed |
| 18:12.24 | jnwhiteh | it was mentioned on the forums, etc. |
| 18:12.26 | kdtresh | i got "[1]="0xF130007FAE001EA7" |
| 18:12.38 | kdtresh | crafticus mindbender in dal |
| 18:12.55 | kdtresh | near fountain by south bank |
| 18:14.11 | mikma | Lich King:Erm..Kel'Thuzad,there was a problem in your ressurection |
| 18:14.12 | mikma | Kel'Thuzad:What happened to my voice? |
| 18:14.12 | mikma | Lich King:Yea about that...so we will call you Lady Deathwhisper |
| 18:15.02 | kdtresh | we were unable to anticipate feline complications? |
| 18:15.05 | NeoTron | kdtresh: ok |
| 18:15.16 | NeoTron | let's see where I messed up |
| 18:15.56 | NeoTron | so where I messed up was ... they did in fact revert the GUID format change |
| 18:16.13 | NeoTron | and that's why mobspells was broken too |
| 18:17.41 | Lunessa | mikma: He will know the love that dare not speak its name? |
| 18:19.53 | Lopeppeppy | It will smell like pizza |
| 18:20.00 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm... pizza |
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| 18:22.01 | Lopeppeppy | No shit, they are using two bulldozers to plow out my lot. *laugh* |
| 18:22.30 | Lopeppeppy | Wet snow is heavy, huh? I bet someone broke their pickup plow, and that's why it's taken them this long to come do the plowing. |
| 18:23.16 | kdtresh | the snow here hasn't been wet at all, it's been too cold |
| 18:23.46 | Lopeppeppy | We got about 6 inches overnight, which faded out into freezing rain at about 11, so it's getting heavy and wet. |
| 18:23.52 | kdtresh | ouch |
| 18:24.22 | kdtresh | we got about 10 starting sunday night and going until monday afternoon |
| 18:24.49 | kdtresh | and we've started out in the negatives every morning since |
| 18:25.07 | kdtresh | first time i remember multiple days in negative territory in a row |
| 18:25.55 | olafski | whee additional instances could not be launched :D |
| 18:28.39 | Lopeppeppy | This will be it for about a week for us, so once the bulldozer is done, I can go and shovel my car out and move it, and that will be the end of it. |
| 18:29.15 | Lopeppeppy | until next week, of course. |
| 18:32.20 | Lunessa | Mmm... snow. |
| 18:32.21 | kdtresh | i have to drive my wife to and from work all week |
| 18:33.49 | kdtresh | i also had to snow someone's car |
| 18:33.57 | Lopeppeppy | "snow" their car? |
| 18:34.04 | Lopeppeppy | As in, toss snow onto it to get yours uncovered? |
| 18:34.10 | kdtresh | yeah, i had just finished shoveling sidewalk and driveway |
| 18:34.22 | kdtresh | and some guy starts shoveling the street in front of my house |
| 18:34.31 | kdtresh | shoveled snow onto my freshly-shoveled sidewalk so he could park his car |
| 18:34.31 | Lopeppeppy | Grrr. |
| 18:34.43 | kdtresh | so he got that snow returned to his roof and hood |
| 18:35.11 | foxlit | Lunessa: it's the old animation, really |
| 18:35.23 | foxlit | Just somewhat broken. |
| 18:35.56 | Lunessa | foxlit: I thought it looked kind of familiar. But I haven't cracked open OPie for a long while. |
| 18:36.28 | foxlit | Point is, it's not supposed to diverge, just rotate around its center. |
| 18:36.28 | Lopeppeppy | kdtresh, yeah, I think I'd have done the same. If you shovel out your parking spot, you do NOT shovel it into someone else's spot they've cleared. |
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| 18:38.09 | Lunessa | foxlit: Yeah, I bet it looks kind of funky. You going to rewrite it? |
| 18:38.40 | foxlit | It'll work as before, I've got it already. The animation system was just frustrating me. |
| 18:41.53 | kdtresh | Lopeppeppy: they don't plow the streets, so the whole street was covered, he could have just shoveled it in the other direction |
| 18:42.05 | kdtresh | but instead, he put it onto my sidewalk >< |
| 18:43.07 | kdtresh | maybe if i hadn't cleared it an hour earlier i would have let it slide, but it was freshly-shoveled |
| 18:44.29 | Shirik | this is BS |
| 18:44.38 | Shirik | I have to downgrade my blackberry to connect to the internet with it |
| 18:45.20 | nevcairiel | but to downgrade, you have to connect to the internet? |
| 18:45.30 | Lunessa | Shirik: WTF? What phone do you have? |
| 18:45.35 | Shirik | well no, I still have the old versions fortunately |
| 18:45.37 | zenzelezz | gah, the "Wrath of the Lich King" quest keeps owning us on the last wave |
| 18:45.37 | Shirik | Lunessa: Storm |
| 18:45.45 | Shirik | it's verizon's fault, not RIM's |
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| 18:46.11 | Shirik | 6 USB tethering on the Storm 1 with BlackBerry Device Software version 5.0.x.x (Platform 4.2.x.x) and VZAccess Manager is not currently supported. While this device supports the Bluetooth Dial Up Networking profile, maximum download speeds will be limited to 460 kbps. Further, typical operating conditions and radio interference (including interference from WiFi networks, cordless telephones and microwaves) may sig |
| 18:46.13 | Lunessa | for srs. Verizion = Dicks |
| 18:46.20 | Shirik | Like, it's been out forever |
| 18:46.23 | Shirik | how long does it take |
| 18:46.30 | Shirik | unless your software really is THAT poorly designed |
| 18:46.34 | Shirik | (which wouldn't surprise me) |
| 18:47.05 | Shirik | fortunately RIM's software is good enough that I can switch around OSes, etc., fairly easily |
| 18:47.09 | Shirik | but it's still quite annoying |
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| 18:54.50 | Lunessa | I'm thinking that 3.3 is a perfect opportunity to scrap my UI set up and start fresh. |
| 18:55.04 | Lunessa | NB I haven't played since 3.3 hit. |
| 18:56.52 | Thunder_Child | i ws thinking the same |
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| 18:57.50 | Lunessa | I'm going to scrub all my AddOns and see what the default feels like. Then start tweaking form there. |
| 18:58.06 | foxlit | I should scrap my party frames. |
| 18:58.10 | foxlit | And I should scrap grid. |
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| 18:59.08 | Aqua | or just scrap wow |
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| 18:59.42 | foxlit | That seems like a bit of a leap. |
| 18:59.50 | Lunessa | I still <3 WoW |
| 18:59.53 | Thunder_Child | the problem is i like haveing 2 visible chat frames...but they take up a ton of room |
| 18:59.56 | foxlit | I've realized that I do party healing using grid anyway, so party frames are a pretty waste of time. |
| 19:00.02 | airtonix | dash |
| 19:00.08 | airtonix | dooo eet TC |
| 19:00.40 | Aqua | I finally quit wow, someone convinced me |
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| 19:00.54 | Thunder_Child | airtonix: you mean dashboard? |
| 19:00.55 | Lunessa | TC - I got used to using tabs to maximize the usefulness of one chat frame. |
| 19:01.20 | airtonix | tc, only chat frames i had visible was the party frame which was down bottom left , i had about four other chat frames the hieght of my screen hidden in a dash layer |
| 19:01.35 | Thunder_Child | airtonix: i did say visible |
| 19:01.41 | Kraps | tvtropes is evil |
| 19:01.42 | airtonix | had the numpad-delete key as my toggle-dash-layer |
| 19:01.46 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: again, visible |
| 19:02.36 | airtonix | why visible? if you had some kind of channel sound notification mod then you'd know when one of those hidden channels had activity |
| 19:02.43 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I know. I used to do the same thing, but I pared down chat to only what I really needed and made myself get used to it again. |
| 19:02.44 | airtonix | or you could use some discrete icons |
| 19:03.34 | NeoTron | the dungeon finder tool is literally the best thing to ever happen to an MMO (IMHO) |
| 19:04.16 | KarlKFI|work | there's a problem with it tho: if the rest of the group leaves you still get the deserter debuff |
| 19:04.28 | airtonix | now it just needs to reward people for grouping with other players that are not from your own guild |
| 19:04.30 | KarlKFI|work | there's no "abandon vote" |
| 19:04.48 | NeoTron | there might be some issues with it |
| 19:04.53 | KarlKFI|work | and you cant vote to kick someone |
| 19:05.13 | NeoTron | but overall even with undeserved 15m deserted debuff... you likely would have spent >15 getting a group pre-dungeon tool anyway |
| 19:05.23 | KarlKFI|work | true |
| 19:05.31 | airtonix | but but but... |
| 19:05.40 | airtonix | <explode> |
| 19:05.50 | NeoTron | perfection with the 1.0 version... I don't ask for that |
| 19:05.58 | Lunessa | Hrmm... Now if only Karl was in the same battlegroup. |
| 19:06.08 | KarlKFI|work | :) |
| 19:06.28 | KarlKFI|work | i dont play much these days. logged on yesterday and they let me raid tho |
| 19:06.40 | Lunessa | Heh... Haivng you drag me through DTK in Beta was WAY fun. You play at breakneck speed like I like to. |
| 19:06.48 | KarlKFI|work | :) |
| 19:07.07 | KarlKFI|work | death penalty is nothing, no reason not to |
| 19:07.10 | airtonix | all wow players do |
| 19:07.30 | airtonix | only ones that dont are the ones that have only been playing a week or are about to dies in a week |
| 19:07.30 | Lunessa | airtonix: No they don't. Trust me. |
| 19:07.39 | airtonix | yes yes they do |
| 19:07.51 | airtonix | trust me i'm a used car salesman |
| 19:08.03 | Lunessa | I'll see your mom a used car. |
| 19:08.05 | KarlKFI|work | ~lart airtonix |
| 19:08.05 | purl | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses airtonix's head to break the homerun record |
| 19:08.13 | Lunessa | s/ see/sell |
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| 19:08.32 | cog|work | ~seen cide |
| 19:08.35 | purl | cide <n=Cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 5d 1h 11m 24s ago, saying: 'hi Shirik'. |
| 19:09.01 | NeoTron | KarlKFI|work: what's best is that if I get into a pug where we all zone in and the healer decided it was time to go MAKE dinner, we could juse vote to kick and replace him in about 10 seconds |
| 19:09.12 | NeoTron | and yes the healer was actually going to COOK CHICKEN |
| 19:09.19 | Shirik | woot |
| 19:09.20 | NeoTron | not just get a bowl of cereal or something. |
| 19:09.23 | cog|work | Fisker: http://tinyurl.com/ybk3wfa |
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| 19:09.29 | Shirik | my blackberry got a fatal error while installing the old OS |
| 19:09.35 | Shirik | this is going to be fun |
| 19:09.41 | Shirik | cog|work: die |
| 19:09.57 | airtonix | needs to be more random events in a dungeon run that discourage this LAWWWLLLLLL-RACEYOUTOTHEEND(tm) |
| 19:09.59 | KarlKFI|work | he gave you the bird |
| 19:10.05 | NeoTron | cog|work: is that birds? |
| 19:10.10 | cog|work | NeoTron: yeah |
| 19:10.16 | cog|work | http://www.metro.co.uk/news/802617-starlings-give-twitchers-the-bird |
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| 19:12.49 | cog|work | Is it on purpose that the Manual Install button takes a couple seconds longer to show up on the page compared to the install with client buttons? |
| 19:12.53 | cog|work | (curse.com) |
| 19:13.15 | Shirik | I believe so |
| 19:14.09 | cog|work | seems to appear at the exact same moment as the Curse Premium ad >< |
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| 19:14.55 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: i think it's because the manual install button isn't just a normal link/image/whatever |
| 19:15.23 | NightHawkTheSane | its some bit of magic to make it difficult for screen scraping software to pull a file URI |
| 19:15.29 | NightHawkTheSane | (eg, a certain updater) |
| 19:16.59 | Lunessa | go go flash |
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| 19:19.32 | cog|work | http://www.popvssoda.com/countystats/total-county.html |
| 19:22.16 | Shirik | ok I have now DCed about 10 times in the last 3 minutes |
| 19:22.18 | Shirik | this is getting stupid |
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| 19:23.22 | KarlKFI|work | i like how 'soda' is all spread out while the others are contiguous |
| 19:23.44 | KarlKFI|work | and what are the 'Other' ones? |
| 19:23.54 | Dagmar | Shirik: It could be worse. Your OS could be patching itself |
| 19:24.30 | KarlKFI|work | that map is kinda misleading tho |
| 19:24.42 | KarlKFI|work | the map on their homepage is better with points |
| 19:27.20 | zenzelezz | finally, a piece of tank loot... on last boss |
| 19:27.24 | zenzelezz | of third instance |
| 19:27.28 | zenzelezz | so much caster loot x.x |
| 19:29.01 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 19:29.02 | purl | ~pong |
| 19:29.09 | ZorbaBeta | some days the rng likes you, some days it doesn't |
| 19:29.25 | ZorbaBeta | I did a pair of normal ToC5's a few days ago and picked up no less than five upgrades from it :D |
| 19:29.31 | cog|work | http://cheezburger.com/View.aspx?aid=2937044992 |
| 19:30.42 | Kraps | zenzelezz: what are the minimum stats a tank needs for the new instances? |
| 19:31.39 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: Been slacking on the heroics a bit? |
| 19:31.50 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, new lv80 character |
| 19:31.53 | Dagmar | Ahh |
| 19:34.00 | Dagmar | Kraps: We did FoS5 last night cold in Heroic mode, but everyone had a GS of >3800 |
| 19:34.49 | Dagmar | It seemed less hairy than HToC5, but the mobs were definitely durable |
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| 19:35.40 | ZorbaBeta | I've actually found the new instances significantly tougher to tank |
| 19:35.41 | ZorbaBeta | and the mobs have crazy amounts of HP |
| 19:35.41 | Kraps | "we" as in a guild |
| 19:35.44 | Kraps | ? |
| 19:35.49 | zenzelezz | Kraps: I am old (Naxx/EoE/OS 25) geared |
| 19:35.54 | Dagmar | Kraps: Yep |
| 19:35.56 | zenzelezz | had some rough times, but nothing too bad |
| 19:36.05 | Dagmar | Guild leader didn't even mention he set it to Heroic |
| 19:36.13 | Dagmar | One of us finally noticed about halfway through |
| 19:36.40 | Dagmar | There was definitely talk of "What's that skull with the five under it mean?... That's new..."? |
| 19:37.13 | Dagmar | The only time it got dodgy is when a big spectre turned out to be immune to shackling and just about ate the healer |
| 19:37.28 | Dagmar | I like that faces boss |
| 19:37.36 | Kraps | Dagmar: still, you guys were probably communicating right? |
| 19:37.55 | Kraps | i'm unguilded |
| 19:37.57 | Dagmar | We weren't vent and I was rebuilding my interface in between fights |
| 19:38.02 | Dagmar | er weren't on vent |
| 19:38.14 | Dagmar | Like, at one point someone said "DPS the soul" but that was baout it. Heheh |
| 19:38.24 | Dagmar | We're used to just figuring things out on the flyu |
| 19:39.13 | Dagmar | One of our guys had logged out a the Isle of Free Money |
| 19:39.25 | Dagmar | That was fun for them. Something in patch reset the island to day 0. |
| 19:39.57 | Dagmar | THey said GMs reset it to it's proper non-hostile state an hour later. I'd have still been there killing people for having attacked me while my interface was messed up |
| 19:40.20 | Kraps | its the unspoken thing, if you know someone long enough you can interact better with them, even over the net |
| 19:40.43 | Dagmar | There was probably more poking fun of me going on than worrying about dying |
| 19:41.12 | Dagmar | I can type really fast, but I'm not always that accurate. I had no buttons or keybinds for the first two pulls, and was building them in between fights |
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| 19:41.28 | Kraps | :) |
| 19:41.49 | Kraps | either way, "on the fly" doesnt cut it in pugs |
| 19:41.54 | Dagmar | Guildies were getting a huge giggle out of seeing me say '/.xast intimidation' and so on into party chat |
| 19:42.47 | Dagmar | Well, I'm not going to tell my guild leader "I need ten minutes" because I can usually pull it off--and he's likely to say "OH you don't need buttons you big wuss" |
| 19:44.27 | Dagmar | That last fight with the swirly stuff going on was new |
| 19:44.49 | Dagmar | er the swirly stuff was new. That was definitely weird being rather explicitly forced into melee range |
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| 19:50.45 | Kraps | Dagmar: what class do you play? |
| 19:51.00 | Dagmar | hunter. |
| 19:51.29 | Dagmar | Yeah, so you can probably guess how pleased I was at being squeezed by that swirly stuff |
| 19:51.54 | Dagmar | "Oh look. HighScoreFu is getting excited about my Wing Clip skills" |
| 19:52.24 | Kraps | lol |
| 19:52.44 | Dagmar | It seemed like there was a 10ft radius, but it was hard to tell--I kept trying to get a little more space and then getting dinged up by the swirl |
| 19:55.46 | Dagmar | Tomorrow night will be a mess. My gf's reenabling her account and she'll be going. She gets pretty unladylike about some of the things that go on in Fos |
| 19:55.58 | zenzelezz | my MSBT seems to have vanished |
| 19:56.07 | Dagmar | I forsee a lot of foul language about the faces boss and his untargetable army of spooks |
| 19:56.19 | zenzelezz | or rather, the incomign/outgoing parts |
| 19:56.42 | KarlKFI|work | dps race |
| 19:57.10 | Shirik | so, my car is like |
| 19:57.14 | Shirik | entirely full of college students |
| 19:57.19 | Dagmar | Well, there was a lot of running around and trying randomm stuff there. They set off traps, but I couldn't tell if they were dying to the traps or to a timer |
| 19:57.30 | Dagmar | Shirik: QUick! Find a cliff |
| 19:57.52 | Dagmar | Either way, the clothies were definitely running all over the place |
| 19:58.14 | Lopeppeppy | And are you in it, Shirik? |
| 19:58.15 | Thunder_Child | huh i didnt know the 'party leader' thing was an error |
| 19:58.22 | Dagmar | It was? |
| 19:58.24 | Dagmar | We liked it |
| 19:58.27 | Thunder_Child | "The group âguideâ is called âParty Leaderâ in chat. " |
| 19:58.38 | Thunder_Child | in the 'known issues' section |
| 19:58.57 | Dagmar | "Yeah Gaines, it kinda says 'I'm secure enough in my manliness to speak in a delicate powder blue." |
| 19:59.18 | Dagmar | Group "guide"? Never heard of it |
| 19:59.21 | Dagmar | goes to look |
| 20:00.21 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/21726252825-patch-330-known-issues.html |
| 20:02.09 | Kraps | why are they a "guide" anyway? leader is fine |
| 20:02.16 | Dagmar | Wow. THIS is awesome =D -> "Horde players do not receive a parachute when the Kor'kron Troop Transport is destroyed during the quest, "Assault by Air". "\ |
| 20:02.53 | Dagmar | Kraps: This is the first time I've heard the phrase "group guide" even mentioned |
| 20:03.40 | Dagmar | I don't know if it's a nomenclature thing or something new |
| 20:04.15 | Dagmar | It's definitely an oddity, since the raid leader has always been "raid leader" |
| 20:04.51 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, yes? |
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| 20:05.42 | Thunder_Child | Shirik is sexually abusing students again i see |
| 20:05.58 | Kraps | i think its part of the lfg system |
| 20:06.09 | Dagmar | That launcher screen _definitely_ looks like it says "Fail of the Lich King" at first glance tho |
| 20:06.25 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 20:06.31 | zenzelezz | I wonder how many people have said that now |
| 20:06.33 | zenzelezz | let along thought so |
| 20:06.36 | zenzelezz | *alone |
| 20:06.57 | Dagmar | I saw someone mention it last night, and when I finally stopped madly clicking the Play button and looked at it, I agree with them |
| 20:08.05 | Kraps | Shirik: you're driving and chatting? :o |
| 20:08.21 | Shirik | I'm on Huggle too! |
| 20:08.25 | Shirik | and no, I'm on a train |
| 20:08.29 | Shirik | I thought I told you guys this |
| 20:08.46 | Lopeppeppy | I certainly missed that part! |
| 20:08.52 | Kraps | ^ |
| 20:08.54 | Lopeppeppy | Where ya GOin? |
| 20:09.30 | Shirik | back home |
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| 20:09.46 | Lopeppeppy | Is it break for you already? Wow. |
| 20:10.07 | Dagmar | Caltrain? |
| 20:10.34 | Kaso | Any Wow/Wine guys about? Anyone having this C++ Runtime Library stuff? |
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| 20:11.01 | Dagmar | I love that the ticket machines for those give change in _gold coins_ |
| 20:11.38 | Lopeppeppy | Someone linked a solution that earlier this morning, Kaso... |
| 20:11.48 | airtonix | kaso awesomely detailed bug report is awesomely detailed |
| 20:12.10 | Kaso | airtonix, well if people have seen it they'd understand |
| 20:12.25 | Kaso | and if not they prob wont be too much help |
| 20:12.59 | airtonix | Kaso, don't assume its a widespread issue |
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| 20:14.19 | Lopeppeppy | If it's what was mentioned earlier, search the logs between 9am and 11:39am (when I logged, and when my screen goes back to). Or just google fu it |
| 20:14.31 | Kaso | yeah google fu'd it |
| 20:15.00 | adam` | fu? |
| 20:15.04 | airtonix | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=18555 |
| 20:15.13 | Kaso | like kung fu adam` , but with google |
| 20:15.21 | adam` | oh lol |
| 20:15.26 | Kaso | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/confirmation.aspx?familyId=200b2fd9-ae1a-4a14-984d-389c36f85647&displayLang=en seems to sort it ;p |
| 20:15.27 | Dashkal | Kaso: You can get the new runtime from microsoft's site. Worked fo rme |
| 20:15.31 | Kaso | yeah |
| 20:15.34 | Dashkal | yeah :P |
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| 20:16.10 | Kaso | i wonder what changed in wow to require that |
| 20:16.29 | nevcairiel | newer compiler |
| 20:16.55 | Kaso | ah that makes sense |
| 20:17.00 | Kraps | adam`: bruce willis in die hard 4 has epic car fu |
| 20:17.48 | adam` | that is way out there |
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| 20:18.18 | adam` | so i just got my hunters toc crafted gear |
| 20:18.55 | Dagmar | We found an "issue" with auto-deing last night |
| 20:19.04 | Dagmar | I dont' think we'll be usin' that button much in guild runs |
| 20:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | What does it do that you didn't like? |
| 20:19.34 | Dagmar | Three people rolled greed on some pointy bit or other, two of us thinking it _might_ be an upgrade of incredibly minor proportions. Third person selected DE |
| 20:20.03 | Kaso | ah |
| 20:20.24 | Dagmar | Most of the time we'll not DE something if there's even a chance it might be useful. It's not like it's any big deal but some people will probably want DEing to rank below greed rolls |
| 20:20.41 | Kraps | DE overrides greed? |
| 20:20.46 | Dagmar | We just assumed it did. The guy who hit DE won the roll. heh |
| 20:20.47 | nevcairiel | no, its the same rank |
| 20:20.58 | Kraps | oh thats fail |
| 20:21.12 | Dagmar | It was a bit like seeing hte interface say "Well, you guys MIGHT be able to use this, but have a shard!" |
| 20:21.39 | nevcairiel | you roll with the same people that hit greed, just when you win you get shards instead of item |
| 20:21.39 | Lopeppeppy | Well, if it's equal level, everyone had a chance I guess. |
| 20:21.42 | Kraps | i didnt know they are the same rank |
| 20:21.54 | Dagmar | Maybe they'll add a confirmation box that'll let people pass if someone's rolled greed but not de |
| 20:22.16 | Kraps | it make no sense |
| 20:22.23 | airtonix | muwahha inb4 ninja |
| 20:22.36 | Dagmar | Well, it does make sense |
| 20:22.41 | Dagmar | It was just unexpected |
| 20:22.59 | Dagmar | We assumed that DEing would be treated as a lower level of need than a greed roll |
| 20:23.03 | airtonix | hi i'm the guy who suggest this half arsed method to prevent ninjas but ingeniusly left in this little detail so that much drama would insue |
| 20:23.30 | Kraps | Dagmar: thats what i thought it was |
| 20:23.34 | Dagmar | Looks like we'll jujst have to find a gun to point at our enchanter to make them manually DE things |
| 20:23.56 | Kraps | it makes no sense this way |
| 20:23.56 | nevcairiel | the DE roll is just meant for the cross-server groups |
| 20:24.01 | nevcairiel | because you can't trade in there |
| 20:24.09 | Lopeppeppy | I guess most people will just run the way they always did. Need if it's need, greed if it's greed, and if you're using a DE person, they need instead. |
| 20:24.20 | adam` | True-aim Long Rifle |
| 20:24.20 | Lopeppeppy | Plus what nevcairiel said. |
| 20:24.29 | adam` | i got the gun |
| 20:24.41 | Dagmar | Kraps: Actually it does. Greed is greed. Some of us have just taken to using the greed button as an "I'm not sure if I need it or not" option right above "Get that damn dialog box off my screen" |
| 20:24.42 | adam` | where's the enchanter? |
| 20:24.42 | airtonix | can enchanters hide the fact that they are enchanters? |
| 20:25.16 | airtonix | or does the system say to enchanters : you have no choice now |
| 20:25.23 | nevcairiel | i usually pass on everythign i dont want to wear, old habbit from guild runs with enchanters |
| 20:25.27 | NightHawkTheSane | the "de" button pops up regardless. |
| 20:25.28 | Dagmar | They don't have a choice |
| 20:25.37 | airtonix | even without enchanters? |
| 20:25.46 | nevcairiel | its not like the enchanters have to do anything for it |
| 20:25.49 | NightHawkTheSane | no, only if (at least) one member is an enchanter |
| 20:26.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder if PassLoot got updated for this.. |
| 20:27.00 | Odlaw | for the de stuff ya |
| 20:27.18 | Odlaw | zone type might not work right.. |
| 20:27.24 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, i dont use zone type stuff. |
| 20:27.30 | Odlaw | but havn't had time to figure out all the changes / best way to detect zone stuff |
| 20:27.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i only use it for auto-greed(and now de) on stuff |
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| 20:28.24 | Odlaw | it has a separate check box.. to auto de if the option is available.. if not, it uses whatever else is checked/not checked |
| 20:30.44 | ZorbaBeta | I've been running through stuff with my druid healer watching the occasional cloth piece I could really use get DE'ed since I'm not allowed to need on it |
| 20:30.46 | ZorbaBeta | it's kind of sad |
| 20:30.49 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Classes ended last week |
| 20:30.52 | ZorbaBeta | I want need/offspec/greed-de |
| 20:31.35 | Dagmar | Yes a nice complex selection matrix minigame. ;) |
| 20:31.51 | ZorbaBeta | not really, you just choose which you want and it goes to the top person |
| 20:32.22 | zenzelezz | I vote the new dungeon finder system the second best improvement in this patch, after the /welcome change |
| 20:32.26 | Dagmar | Well, the problem there is I suspect a lot of enchanters would suddenly have all kinds of interesting off-spec roles |
| 20:32.48 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, yeah, it doesn't really solve the issue of people offspec'ing on all sorts of random shit |
| 20:32.49 | Dagmar | There's a "/welcome" change? |
| 20:33.02 | zenzelezz | /welcome now does "Welcome!", not "You're welcome" |
| 20:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: that is my one annoyance, casters can easily downgrade to leather/cloth and (potentially) not lose much. |
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| 20:33.27 | Dagmar | By "casters" you mean "paladins" I take it? |
| 20:33.27 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, in my case I'm hunting wildly for a helm with a meta socket and totally failing to find one :( |
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| 20:33.34 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, shamans, druids |
| 20:33.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: no... i mean casters. |
| 20:33.43 | ZorbaBeta | i.e. any caster that is not cloth |
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| 20:33.44 | Kraps | i'm an enchanter and i'm not sure how i fit into this |
| 20:33.48 | Dagmar | I've noticed very few mages and priests taking the option of wearing leather |
| 20:33.59 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, are you aware of the existence of non-cloth casters besides paladins? |
| 20:34.02 | ZorbaBeta | because they exist, you see |
| 20:34.03 | Kraps | i dont tell people i am one |
| 20:34.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i ran with leather & cloth on my shaman when they were the best pieces i could get |
| 20:34.15 | Dagmar | I wouldn't call anyone who can spec to weild a weapon effectively a caster |
| 20:34.19 | NightHawkTheSane | they were -really- well itemized too, arguably better than mail pieces |
| 20:34.27 | ZorbaBeta | so my resto/balance druid isn't a caster? |
| 20:34.32 | ZorbaBeta | and my ret pally is? |
| 20:34.36 | ZorbaBeta | you have a very odd definition of "caster" |
| 20:34.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: tell the 3/4s of your healers not to heal you then, because they're not casters |
| 20:35.04 | Dagmar | Those people I call "healers" |
| 20:35.08 | airtonix | kraps your anon status has been revoked |
| 20:35.14 | NightHawkTheSane | healers use caster gear :P |
| 20:35.17 | Kraps | :O |
| 20:35.18 | airtonix | welcome to communism |
| 20:35.20 | NightHawkTheSane | with the exception of hit, the stats are pretty much exactly the same |
| 20:35.25 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, elemental shaman, balance druid? |
| 20:35.27 | Dagmar | Look, you guys act like what I'm saying makes no sense, but let me ask you what a Hunter is "casting" with bullets? |
| 20:35.37 | ZorbaBeta | I don't think I'm referring to a hunter at all |
| 20:35.47 | Dagmar | You can't just lump everyone into "caster" and "non-caster" |
| 20:35.49 | airtonix | in russia, enchanters are taken out the back |
| 20:35.50 | ZorbaBeta | we're referring to shamans and druids who want to wear cloth because otherwise it will get DE'ed |
| 20:35.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: when it comes to gear, yes, actually you kind of can. |
| 20:36.05 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, you actually rather can |
| 20:36.11 | ZorbaBeta | my moonkin would be quite happy in 100% cloth |
| 20:36.12 | Dagmar | So where do Hunters fit in then? |
| 20:36.22 | ZorbaBeta | they're ranged physical DPS. |
| 20:36.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ranged physical dps |
| 20:36.33 | ZorbaBeta | they would be generally happy in physical dps leather as well. |
| 20:36.47 | Dagmar | That doesn't strike you as being so specific as to be special casing around the problem? |
| 20:36.53 | NightHawkTheSane | not at all |
| 20:36.59 | Dagmar | Well, it does me |
| 20:37.08 | ZorbaBeta | in general there's four major categories in the game |
| 20:37.08 | NightHawkTheSane | because the "ranged" part is really not even necessary |
| 20:37.14 | NightHawkTheSane | hunterse are basically just "physical dps" |
| 20:37.16 | ZorbaBeta | heals, tank, physdps, magicdps |
| 20:37.19 | NightHawkTheSane | much like enh shaman, rogues, and feral druids |
| 20:37.22 | Dagmar | Who _else_ is "physical ranged DPS"? |
| 20:37.33 | ZorbaBeta | in general magic is ranged and physical is melee, with the exception of hunters, but hunters still use physical gear |
| 20:37.39 | NightHawkTheSane | the ranged is more a superfluous descriptor than a true categorization |
| 20:38.06 | Dagmar | A category with only one member is kinda useless |
| 20:38.12 | Kraps | ZorbaBeta: are ret pallys "magic"? |
| 20:38.24 | ZorbaBeta | kraps, do they use ap or spellpower? |
| 20:38.27 | ZorbaBeta | answer: no, they are physical. |
| 20:38.48 | Kraps | mmk |
| 20:39.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: all of this is beating around the point: Shaman and Druids CAN and often DO use leather & cloth gear when it's itemized well, or when no better piece is available. The need before greed system means a very useful piece of gear can be de'd without giving the player even a chance to obtain it. |
| 20:40.11 | NightHawkTheSane | the same applies to hunters/enh shaman and leather gear |
| 20:40.14 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Still has diddle to do with the issue I was tlkaing about |
| 20:40.32 | NightHawkTheSane | the issue you were talking about is a pointless semantic argument spawned from this. |
| 20:41.08 | alestane | The distinction that needs working on at this point is when something should be greeded. |
| 20:41.14 | Dagmar | ...and you guys are the ones who want to argue about it |
| 20:41.18 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, as near as I can tell you've just got a silly strawman argument there :P |
| 20:41.22 | alestane | As opposed to 'needed'. |
| 20:41.22 | Lopeppeppy | And that's a social distinction, not one the game can make. |
| 20:41.51 | Dagmar | I could really care less. I call every class that can do both sword-slinging and finger-waggling "hybrids" until a specific spec is involved because I'm old school like that |
| 20:41.54 | ZorbaBeta | lope, true. the question I have is whether the bounds should be loosened for the purposes of less wasted loot and less frustration, or left tightened to not let anyone game the system |
| 20:42.04 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not convinced blizzard's solution is the wrong one, but neither am I convinced it's the right one. |
| 20:42.13 | Lopeppeppy | And there you are, in a nutshell, Zorba. |
| 20:42.16 | Dagmar | I'm fine with them being the way they are because I'm sure people will game it otherwise |
| 20:42.19 | Lopeppeppy | It's neither, it's just a middle ground. |
| 20:42.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: at the moment, I'm fine with the restriction, because while frustrating, it tends to prevent dumbness |
| 20:42.38 | ZorbaBeta | well, in theory, there is a more-right and a less-right answer, depending on blizzard's goals :) |
| 20:42.43 | Dagmar | All the histrionics on the forums about "forced DE'ing" should make that abundantly clear |
| 20:43.22 | NightHawkTheSane | frankly, i'm half tempted to say that "greed" is basically pointless. |
| 20:43.36 | Lopeppeppy | I'd rather cut everthing in half, no one gets anything. :) |
| 20:43.44 | Dagmar | Well, very few people are willing to just let magic loot rot on the battlefield |
| 20:43.58 | Dagmar | I think Amarande would have a fit if you left three silver on a corpse |
| 20:44.07 | Kraps | greed should be a level above DE |
| 20:44.14 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i mean, you either need something because it's an upgrade for you, or you don't, in which case it should just be DE'd by default. |
| 20:44.38 | Lopeppeppy | if you don't need it, why should you care if someone else who doesn't need it choose DE as their option? |
| 20:44.55 | NightHawkTheSane | if you dont need it, what are you going to do with it if you dont de it? :P |
| 20:45.03 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: There's another possibility. That no one really cares what happens to the item, but it *might* be an upgrade or a stat shuffle |
| 20:45.06 | Lopeppeppy | put it on your cat. |
| 20:45.09 | ZorbaBeta | and now I'm in an instance with a hunter who ran out of ammo one pull in. |
| 20:45.10 | ZorbaBeta | beautiful. |
| 20:45.15 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch, Zorba |
| 20:45.19 | Dagmar | You can't un-DE something, but you can often just DE it later |
| 20:45.25 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: That is awesome |
| 20:45.31 | Kraps | melee hunters ftw |
| 20:45.55 | Lopeppeppy | It's coming down to social distinctions on what constitutes "need". |
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| 20:46.38 | Dagmar | Kraps: Exactly. Try getting tossed atop Flame Leviathan as one sometime. :) |
| 20:47.15 | Kraps | i wouldnt know |
| 20:47.46 | Dagmar | It's great hearing the guild leader's girl go into hysterics because she can hear you whiffing over the sounds of the explosions |
| 20:48.15 | Kraps | whiffing? |
| 20:48.49 | Dagmar | Yes, that noise it makes when you have someone close to melee range on you when you've gone for six months without actually swinging it even once. |
| 20:48.53 | Dagmar | *WHOOSH* |
| 20:49.07 | Dagmar | Yay polearms at 263 |
| 20:49.56 | Dagmar | It's stationary. It's right at your feet (since you can't move anywhere anyway), and you still can't hit it, and everyone near can hear you miss. heh |
| 20:50.26 | Kraps | stockades, go crazy |
| 20:50.39 | Dagmar | Things were going badly, we were filling some slots in someone else's raid, and my bike got trashed |
| 20:51.01 | Dagmar | I was like, what the hell... Might as well jump on that catapult and take a turn at whacking turrets |
| 20:51.30 | Dagmar | Far as I know you still have to be swinging on an xp-gaining mob to get skill up |
| 20:52.00 | Dagmar | Either way there's probably a lot of hunters running around with truly abysmal melee skills |
| 20:52.46 | Lunessa | Dagmar: You can skill up weapons on anything. |
| 20:53.01 | durcyn | dire maul's swell for it |
| 20:53.04 | KarlKFI|work | except ones where it's been dissabled... |
| 20:53.22 | KarlKFI|work | like those invincible guys byt he dark portal |
| 20:54.19 | durcyn | i thought those just unbanished themselves after a few minutes now |
| 20:54.22 | Dagmar | Cool. I didn't know they changed that |
| 20:54.43 | zenzelezz | which emblems does Naxxramas drop now... Triumph? |
| 20:54.52 | Lunessa | Dagmar: You've let your EQ experience taint WoW. It's always been that way. |
| 20:55.07 | industrial | so where did /lfg and /lfm go? I've seen the cross server raid thing but where can I find it for 5mans? |
| 20:55.13 | Dagmar | Probably more a matter of the DK is the first toon I've had where a melee skill really mattered |
| 20:55.33 | zenzelezz | industrial: on your minibar... but I guess you don't have that one :-o |
| 20:55.35 | Dagmar | Either you land the hit or you don't. Whether or not you might skill up on it doens't really affect the outcome |
| 20:55.41 | industrial | zenzelezz: no |
| 20:55.42 | zenzelezz | industrial: /dungeonfinder |
| 20:55.46 | industrial | ty |
| 20:56.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: I think that grey area where it's a "kind of sidegrade" can be easily disregarded. Ultimately the distinction is "is it important enough to need" if not, then it may as well be DEd. |
| 20:57.28 | Dagmar | Not with our folk. We're all pretty much up to our necks in shards and dusts |
| 20:57.47 | KarlKFI|work | depends, maybe you want a set with different stats |
| 20:58.00 | KarlKFI|work | or maybe it's offset |
| 20:58.08 | KarlKFI|work | offspec* |
| 20:58.19 | KarlKFI|work | which you wouldnt want de'd |
| 20:58.41 | KarlKFI|work | there's all sorts of ranking systems. that's why most guilds don't roll for gear |
| 20:58.46 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI|work: in a pug setting, offspec may as well be need. |
| 20:59.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm talking pretty coarse grained here, specifically for random pugs of easily repeatable 5-man content |
| 20:59.15 | NightHawkTheSane | you dont need a "well its kind of an upgrade, i'd use it for a couple fights" choice :P |
| 20:59.50 | KarlKFI|work | how bout a "i don't really need it but i'll take it if it's just going to be de'd" |
| 20:59.59 | NightHawkTheSane | thats "need" :P |
| 21:00.08 | Dagmar | Not really |
| 21:00.18 | KarlKFI|work | or a "I'd use it but i'd rather someone who needed it more got it" |
| 21:00.48 | NightHawkTheSane | again, pretty useless. if someone else needs it more, and doesn't get it, they can just keep running it. |
| 21:00.55 | Dagmar | The trailer park raiders probably always either really, really want something, or will declare it to be trash |
| 21:00.57 | airtonix | option J : rolling because I'd like to wear this while knitting a jumper for my grandson during a football match in wales |
| 21:01.06 | Dagmar | Casuals tend to be much more fine-grained about not really giving a damn as a result |
| 21:01.47 | NightHawkTheSane | I just honestly don't think you need an even remotely fine grained loot choice for content among random strangers that has a short (or no) lockout. |
| 21:02.39 | KarlKFI|work | obviously the answer is to drop 1 piece of loot per boss and allow everyone who wants it to pick it up and everyone else gets a de'd reagent. |
| 21:03.05 | Lopeppeppy | Y'all are expecting a computerized loot system to pass a Turing test that 2/3 of WoW players can't pass. |
| 21:03.11 | Dagmar | You have recieved loot [Chunk of Minor Epicness] |
| 21:03.23 | airtonix | [neck wiggle] y'all |
| 21:03.24 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 21:03.28 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI|work: thats actually not a terrible idea either. :P |
| 21:03.57 | NightHawkTheSane | make 5-man loot a multi-drop item. |
| 21:04.18 | Dagmar | Give the ratings bureaus something exciting to do. Bring back dusts with "of the Random" on them and make them consumables |
| 21:04.41 | KarlKFI|work | oh, we forgot option K) "I want to use it on my alt" |
| 21:04.49 | Dagmar | "Use: Increases your Agility by 40 for 30 minutes and gets you really high." |
| 21:05.13 | airtonix | option f : fisker |
| 21:06.26 | NightHawkTheSane | option p: it makes me look pretty. |
| 21:06.53 | KarlKFI|work | "i want to use it for a video i'm making" |
| 21:07.19 | KarlKFI|work | "i want to give it to my girlfriend" |
| 21:07.32 | NightHawkTheSane | "i want to pretend i accidentally clicked the wrong button" |
| 21:07.34 | KarlKFI|work | "i want to pawn it on the AH" |
| 21:07.42 | NightHawkTheSane | "i'm a douche." |
| 21:07.58 | KarlKFI|work | that's a lot fo loot options |
| 21:08.14 | NightHawkTheSane | well, yes. |
| 21:08.50 | Lunessa | I need the one that says "I don't give a shit about you guys. GIMME THE FUCKIN LEWTZ!" |
| 21:10.30 | industrial | awesome, world server broke on Grim Batol EU |
| 21:11.36 | zenzelezz | industrial: Northrend went earlier on Draenor |
| 21:11.41 | zenzelezz | thankfully I was in an instance |
| 21:12.50 | industrial | just when its a small gear reset and I'm able to crawl back a little |
| 21:12.55 | cbreak | "Additional Instances cannot be launched",.... damnit |
| 21:12.57 | industrial | haste: I spend 1k+ GP today T_T |
| 21:13.00 | industrial | spent* |
| 21:13.01 | cbreak | we couldn't even enter ulduar |
| 21:13.12 | NightHawkTheSane | svns tatus |
| 21:13.19 | NightHawkTheSane | .. er, wrong window. |
| 21:13.21 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 21:13.21 | industrial | we managed to get a toc instance tonight |
| 21:13.32 | Thunder_Child | ~comfort NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:13.33 | purl | There, there, NightHawkTheSane. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:13.49 | industrial | the other faction got all the icc isntances cause they were being asses killing anyone trying to enter |
| 21:13.55 | industrial | pvp server ftw yet again |
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| 21:14.34 | NeoTron | eh. Blizzard fail |
| 21:14.36 | NeoTron | " * Druids, paladins, death knights, and shaman may still roll Need on spell power items, provided that the above two conditions are met. |
| 21:14.45 | NeoTron | death knights? spell power? huh |
| 21:14.51 | NightHawkTheSane | what, death knights? |
| 21:15.05 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: also, what above two condidions? got a link? |
| 21:15.10 | nevcairiel | an unholy dk might want to boost high spell dmg a bit |
| 21:15.21 | nevcairiel | its unlikely, but not totally wrong |
| 21:15.25 | Dagmar | You know if they'd have even mentioned "hunters" in there it would have been instant qqmageddon |
| 21:15.34 | NeoTron | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21627535173&sid=1 |
| 21:15.48 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: except that spell damage doesn't help DK's at all |
| 21:15.56 | NeoTron | you buff your "spells" using attack power |
| 21:16.10 | nevcairiel | don't you have a talent in unholy that maps ap to sp? |
| 21:16.35 | eidolarr | it's more like increases the coefficient of the mapping |
| 21:16.50 | nevcairiel | ah, its an automagic increase, not a sp mapping |
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| 21:17.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder if thats a typo, or actually how it's implemented |
| 21:19.25 | Lopeppeppy | Dude, remind me not to form groups through the dungeon finder. Heaven help me if something lower level is actually an upgrade for me, I couldn't have it. |
| 21:19.41 | KarlKFI|work | "If a playerâs class is pure melee, he or she will be unable to roll âNeedâ on spell power items. Pure melee classes include rogues and warriors. " |
| 21:19.56 | KarlKFI|work | that's the restriction. the other is jsut a clarification |
| 21:20.08 | Lopeppeppy | Look at rule 2, Karl. |
| 21:20.38 | KarlKFI|work | yes? that doesn't have to do with spellpower |
| 21:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | Say my 40 paladin has a plate piece, some nice level 39 spellpower mail drops, I read that as I cannot roll on it. |
| 21:20.45 | nevcairiel | what, because paladins can't roll on dresses anymore? |
| 21:21.06 | Lopeppeppy | If you combine the rules, it's possible I can't, nevcairiel. |
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| 21:21.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: no class can roll on an armor type below their max |
| 21:21.12 | Dark-Speeds | http://mixdebot.free.fr |
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| 21:21.22 | NightHawkTheSane | so paladins cannot roll on anything but plate. |
| 21:21.26 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy: its not only possible, it explictly states that you cant |
| 21:21.28 | KarlKFI|work | a level 40 _warrior_ would unable to roll âNeedâ on a level 39 _mail_ item. |
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| 21:21.46 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, post-40, that is) |
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| 21:21.52 | KarlKFI|work | right |
| 21:21.54 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, unsexy. *sigh* Oh well, just one more reason why the game becomes unplayable without a guild to do your runs with. |
| 21:22.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: this is pretty much the entire conversation we just had. :P |
| 21:22.20 | nevcairiel | If no shaman is around that wants it, you can always greed it |
| 21:22.21 | eidolarr | I don't understand |
| 21:22.23 | KarlKFI|work | it's only a problem around lvl 40 |
| 21:22.26 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, Greed! |
| 21:22.27 | Dagmar | I don't see how that becomes "unplayable" |
| 21:22.34 | Lopeppeppy | You don't have to see, Dagmar. |
| 21:22.38 | eidolarr | they add a new feature, completely in addition to everything already standing, and the game becomes LSES playable? |
| 21:22.56 | Lopeppeppy | I think it's time to go back to my rogue. I've thought that for a while. |
| 21:22.58 | Dagmar | Exactly |
| 21:23.01 | NightHawkTheSane | its a bit of a frustration, but probably an acceptable one to avoid making the loot system to complex or too easy to game |
| 21:23.01 | nevcairiel | Its a good restriction, i hate how hunters roll on melee leather, for example |
| 21:23.11 | eidolarr | you can always go back to heroics the old way |
| 21:23.15 | KarlKFI|work | basically you can only roll need on your highest armor proficiency |
| 21:23.24 | Dagmar | nevcariel: I have a word for hunters who roll on leather at all |
| 21:23.27 | Dagmar | I call them gimps. |
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| 21:23.29 | KarlKFI|work | so apladins cant take leater either |
| 21:23.40 | KarlKFI|work | paladins can't take leather* |
| 21:23.43 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: heck i even know warriors that wear dps leather |
| 21:23.52 | nevcairiel | or used to in tbc anyway, not sure if thats still up |
| 21:23.59 | eidolarr | not really |
| 21:24.09 | Dagmar | They were probably desperate for upgrades |
| 21:24.16 | NightHawkTheSane | blizz's been strongly trying to dissuade it |
| 21:24.42 | nevcairiel | well apparently a higher armor class takes stuff out of the item budget |
| 21:24.46 | KarlKFI|work | So essentially BLizzard took a stance and sided with the rogues bitching about plate dps takign their loot |
| 21:25.09 | nevcairiel | the loot system change is just fair |
| 21:25.16 | eidolarr | nevcairiel: i think they changed it so that that's only if it's higher-than-ilvl armor |
| 21:25.20 | Dagmar | Between mail and leather tho, there's very little difference |
| 21:25.21 | Lopeppeppy | We'l all figure a way to get our gear, in the end. |
| 21:25.24 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI|work: I think it's more appropriate to say that blizzard wants warriors/paladins wearing plate, not that they dont deserve rogue loot |
| 21:25.30 | nevcairiel | a priest can only wear cloth, a paladin should only be able to need on plate |
| 21:25.42 | nevcairiel | just so that its fair :P |
| 21:25.45 | KarlKFI|work | well the problem is that there are a few leather items better than plate |
| 21:25.53 | KarlKFI|work | like the gloves on malagos |
| 21:26.01 | NightHawkTheSane | agreed, but theyve also been trying to change that |
| 21:26.11 | ZorbaBeta | nev, it's fair, but it's also suboptimal |
| 21:26.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i suspect cata will put that to bed |
| 21:26.23 | ZorbaBeta | you basically cannot get upgrades that are not of your gear tier |
| 21:26.29 | nevcairiel | sure you can |
| 21:26.31 | olafski | a paladin will not be able to get cloth caster loot unless he quickly types DON'T ROLL DISENCHANT PLEAAAASE |
| 21:26.33 | nevcairiel | you just cant need them |
| 21:26.44 | ZorbaBeta | you have a 1/5 chance of getting them, since everyone greeds on everything |
| 21:26.44 | Lopeppeppy | Soon as "best in slot" is always the type of armor the class is supposed to wear, we'll all wear it. :) And I think they're trying to get there with Cataclysm, yes. |
| 21:26.50 | ZorbaBeta | so, "basically cannot". |
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| 21:27.02 | nevcairiel | personally i refused to wear non-leather anyway |
| 21:27.03 | nevcairiel | as a druid |
| 21:27.35 | Dagmar | I'm not about to wear leather and I freely mock clothadins |
| 21:27.45 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i'm kind of the same on my shaman, on my druid i was more lenient because i was pulling together any items i could to build a tree set. |
| 21:27.53 | KarlKFI|work | and most people not wearing best in slot don't care |
| 21:28.18 | KarlKFI|work | it's the min/maxers that want the absolute best, even if it's not plate |
| 21:28.19 | nevcairiel | there was a time when blizzards itemization for druids seemed wonky |
| 21:28.24 | nevcairiel | but i just lived through that |
| 21:28.37 | KarlKFI|work | nevcairiel: everything pre-BC? |
| 21:28.49 | nevcairiel | nah, more like non-set naxx |
| 21:28.51 | KarlKFI|work | have you SEEN pally tier-1? |
| 21:29.03 | NightHawkTheSane | also, its worth pointing out: we're talking about 5-man loot here. It's not raid gear. It's probably not "best in slot". If you -really- want a piece of not-your-armor-type gear, get some friends to help. :P |
| 21:29.05 | KarlKFI|work | :P |
| 21:29.06 | nevcairiel | pre-bc everything was stupid if you look at it now |
| 21:29.11 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
| 21:29.16 | NightHawkTheSane | its really not the end of the world if pallies can't get cloth gear from heroics |
| 21:29.22 | NightHawkTheSane | (or shamans or druids) |
| 21:29.32 | KarlKFI|work | can the LFD be used for raids? |
| 21:29.38 | NightHawkTheSane | not afaik? |
| 21:29.40 | nevcairiel | no |
| 21:29.43 | eidolarr | not cross realm |
| 21:29.46 | nevcairiel | there is a seperate LFR system |
| 21:29.59 | nevcairiel | which doesnt have cross-realm or the special loot system |
| 21:30.01 | KarlKFI|work | does it have the same loot restrictions? |
| 21:30.03 | KarlKFI|work | ah |
| 21:30.04 | nevcairiel | its mostly like the old LFG |
| 21:30.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 21:30.27 | KarlKFI|work | in that case, who cares |
| 21:30.37 | KarlKFI|work | arguing over 5man loot is silly |
| 21:30.40 | Audible | the LFD system works good though |
| 21:30.40 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI|work: well its worth caring about, but not getting your panties in a bunch about :P |
| 21:31.10 | nevcairiel | I wish my new pc parts arrived properly today, so i could've fixed the wonkyness and actually plaid a bit |
| 21:31.17 | eidolarr | nonsense, anything that is nwe is to be complained about |
| 21:31.37 | KarlKFI|work | anyway you can still trade bop loot to anyone int eh grp, right? |
| 21:31.43 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 21:32.17 | nevcairiel | you can trade looted bop and conjured stuff |
| 21:32.21 | nevcairiel | nothing else |
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| 21:35.24 | Lunessa | "Note: Given that the daily dungeon quests have been removed, Commendation badges awarding reputation can now be purchased with emblems in Dalaran. " |
| 21:36.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: o_0 what ratio? 1:1? |
| 21:36.09 | Thunder_Child | slow people are slow |
| 21:36.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i haven't logged in since monday night. :P |
| 21:36.32 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: It doesn't say. And Thunder_Child I had /better/ things to do than play WoW last night. |
| 21:36.35 | Thunder_Child | dont need to log in to read the patch notes |
| 21:37.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i must have missed that in the notes. *shrug* |
| 21:37.07 | Thunder_Child | and yes, it's one to one |
| 21:38.54 | cog|work | ROFL |
| 21:40.10 | Dagmar | They seriously expect people to spend their preciouses for 250 rep? |
| 21:40.19 | Dagmar | Wow... |
| 21:40.50 | Shirik | nevcairiel: ping |
| 21:40.54 | nevcairiel | wut? |
| 21:41.07 | Shirik | Have you ever heard of this German "issue" |
| 21:41.14 | Shirik | "I am a donut"? |
| 21:41.21 | Shirik | I'm really confused |
| 21:41.26 | durcyn | jelly donut, at that. |
| 21:41.32 | Dagmar | Ich bin ein frankenfurter! |
| 21:42.06 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you dont know how kennedy said "I a am a jelly donut"? :P |
| 21:42.15 | Shirik | did he really? |
| 21:42.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: it was 500 before 3.3, i think they said the sped it up, so it might be more now |
| 21:42.18 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 21:42.29 | Dagmar | He up and said ich bin ein Berliner |
| 21:42.31 | Shirik | why o.o; |
| 21:42.34 | nevcairiel | he said "Ich bin ein Beliner", where Berline is a jelly donut |
| 21:42.41 | nevcairiel | but Berlin is also our capital |
| 21:42.44 | Dagmar | ...to which the crowd took a moment to decide what to think about |
| 21:42.55 | nevcairiel | its technically correct in both senses |
| 21:42.57 | NightHawkTheSane | its a fairly honest mistake, really. |
| 21:43.01 | durcyn | how on earth do you not know about this, Shirik |
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| 21:43.13 | Shirik | I know computers |
| 21:43.13 | NightHawkTheSane | its only humerous when you stop to consider the homonistical? meanings |
| 21:43.13 | Shirik | I know photography |
| 21:43.18 | Shirik | Outside of that I basically know nothing |
| 21:43.23 | zenzelezz | okay, the Sylvanas/Uther roleplay in HoR is already old |
| 21:43.27 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: shirik is like a high int low wis char in an rpg. |
| 21:43.35 | Dagmar | What would you say if Ahmadinijad or Putin came to the US, gave a speech, and in the middle of it said "I have waxed a tadpole" |
| 21:43.43 | Shirik | omg we're going back to high int low wis again |
| 21:44.07 | durcyn | i mean, i could understand sleeping through history class |
| 21:44.15 | durcyn | but eddie izzard mentioned it in two separate albums, there are no excuses left |
| 21:44.17 | Arrowmaster | those kinda characters are fun in RPGs though |
| 21:44.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: just like shirik is kind of fun in real life.... well.. fun to make fun of. ;) |
| 21:44.48 | Arrowmaster | ~failrik |
| 21:44.49 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 21:44.59 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: YOURE RIGHT! |
| 21:45.03 | Dagmar | hehe Eddie Izzard mentioned it twice and Shirik doesn't know? He must be living in a cave |
| 21:45.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ~comfort Shirik |
| 21:45.22 | purl | There, there, Shirik. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:45.24 | Shirik | I do live in a cave |
| 21:45.36 | Dagmar | WEll, I'm jealous of your heating/cooling bills then |
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| 21:46.43 | Arrowmaster | i live in above ground cave with too many entrances and entrances covered in transparent sand |
| 21:47.10 | Torhal | Caves made of drywall and wood. *nod* |
| 21:47.19 | Lunessa | The cinematic is nice. |
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| 22:02.39 | Lunessa | "Will of the Forsaken now shares a 45-second cooldown with similar effects, including the Medallion of the Horde, Titan-Forged runes, Insignia of the Horde, etc." - I wonder how much PVP QQ that generated? |
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| 22:03.00 | durcyn | it's called karma. |
| 22:03.39 | Pneumatus | about time |
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| 22:03.47 | evad87 | hi guys |
| 22:03.59 | cog|work | Adys: Lunessa: umm... and others... So, I reported that message from Sarah as threatening (talking about my address and alluding to drive-by shootings, and otherwise being patently offensive.) turns out she got suspended |
| 22:04.13 | Lunessa | Sweet. |
| 22:04.22 | Fisker | but cog|work |
| 22:04.25 | Fisker | it's facebook |
| 22:04.29 | Fisker | your argument is invalid |
| 22:05.13 | evad87 | PHP Question: http://pastie.org/736265 and the script it calls for is http://pastie.org/736260 |
| 22:05.13 | evad87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.13 | evad87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.34 | Torhal | ... |
| 22:05.51 | Torhal | When did this become #php-help? |
| 22:05.54 | Torhal | Heh |
| 22:06.24 | NightHawkTheSane | evad87: I suggest you read the php manual, specifically regarding variable functions. |
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| 22:06.43 | NightHawkTheSane | in general, google and the php manual will solve ~95% of your PHP questions |
| 22:06.54 | Shirik | And then it will spawn many more |
| 22:07.07 | Dagmar | Torhal: It was in the same memo talking about pastebombing multi-line questions with needless line breakls |
| 22:07.24 | cog|work | So my Approximate Time Remaining on a ticket has been counting down from 56 minutes and is now to 19 minutes--over the last 7 hours |
| 22:07.39 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: at least its going down? |
| 22:07.47 | Torhal | Dagmar: Was it with the TPS report? |
| 22:07.54 | cog|work | most of the time... sometimes it goes up >< |
| 22:08.21 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 22:09.55 | eidolarr | it is asmyptotically approaching 0 |
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| 22:10.19 | evad87 | Believe it or not, the support here for languages in general is better than offical channels |
| 22:10.31 | evad87 | well not too hard to believe |
| 22:10.33 | nevcairiel | if we decide to not mock you about it |
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| 22:11.01 | evad87 | well by all means if you feel it helps |
| 22:11.38 | zenzelezz | jesus, just did the timed achivement on HoR... my previous group must not have been as good as I thought, this one blasted the palce |
| 22:11.40 | zenzelezz | *place |
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| 22:15.58 | olafski | seeing as the battered hilt is bind on use, I guess you can still roll need even if you already have one :< |
| 22:17.36 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wtap.com/home/headlines/78138962.html vaguely amusing |
| 22:19.01 | Adys | cog|work: nice one |
| 22:22.00 | cog|work | Apparently Spencer's whining about me on his page now. My blog traffic has doubled today! |
| 22:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. Publicity! |
| 22:22.57 | Lunessa | GGRRR... When I tell you to close the damned document, don't argue. CLOSE IT |
| 22:23.15 | NightHawkTheSane | rawr, Lunessa smash! |
| 22:23.30 | Shirik | comforts Lunessa |
| 22:23.43 | mikma | cog|work: spencer who? heidi and spencer? |
| 22:24.02 | cog|work | mikma: http://blog.cogwheel.info/2009/12/kook-aid-battle-part-1.html |
| 22:25.08 | Shirik | omg is that STILL going on? |
| 22:25.21 | mikma | wall of text crits. i die. |
| 22:25.52 | cog|work | Shirik: in a sense... After he attacked me for agreeing with him on a separate topic, i unfriended him. then i got that nasty message from his wife |
| 22:26.11 | cog|work | reported it to fb and now i hear she's been suspended |
| 22:26.28 | Shirik | How to know when shit has hit the fan: You get unfriended on facebook |
| 22:26.37 | Shirik | noice |
| 22:26.50 | mikma | haha |
| 22:26.52 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 22:27.29 | NightHawkTheSane | :o |
| 22:27.35 | NightHawkTheSane | remembers not to cross the cog. |
| 22:27.48 | durcyn | my boss has competitions with himself to get his mother to unfriend him on facebook |
| 22:27.52 | durcyn | so far he's done it about 5 times |
| 22:27.53 | Shirik | This is why I don't get involved on facebook |
| 22:28.21 | cog|work | I think the only reason he didn't unfriend me first was that it was good for "ratings" ;) |
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| 22:30.11 | Adys | cog|work: ofc you were |
| 22:30.30 | Lopeppeppy | Drama llama still has four legs, check! |
| 22:30.31 | Adys | many people pay every year so they can see douches all the time |
| 22:30.36 | Adys | like tv. |
| 22:31.19 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: How would we know if it didn't? |
| 22:31.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i like llamas.. |
| 22:33.28 | Lunessa | douche-baggery in it's natural habitat, the interwebs. |
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| 22:33.47 | Kuyo | Oo |
| 22:33.51 | zenzelezz | I'm quite fond of "Teleport out of dungeon" |
| 22:33.56 | WobWork | cog|work: I don't know who wears the pants in that relationship. But she certainly has some control issues =P |
| 22:34.18 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, it would fail to go anywhere, and it would be merely a slug, and die easily. |
| 22:34.24 | cog|work | no kidding :P |
| 22:34.43 | Lopeppeppy | I prefer drama llamas without legs. |
| 22:34.56 | cog|work | though i'm pretty sure she does considering how he distorts facts to defend her in the face of her overwhelming inanity |
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| 22:35.12 | Lopeppeppy | that's lurv |
| 22:35.17 | WobWork | s'true |
| 22:35.26 | cog|work | agrees |
| 22:35.31 | WobWork | I bet he thinks she's the perfect ladylike lady |
| 22:35.46 | durcyn | cog|work: i want the five minutes of my life i spent reading that exchange back |
| 22:35.48 | WobWork | meanwhile she's like *FROTHFROTHFROTH* in the background |
| 22:35.57 | Lopeppeppy | durcyn, why did you keep reading? |
| 22:35.58 | durcyn | cog|work: also, if you ever meet this 'Jim' guy, sterilize him |
| 22:36.02 | cog|work | durcyn: you can't have it. You must now go on to parts 2-4 |
| 22:36.03 | Dagmar | I have a question. |
| 22:36.07 | Dagmar | WHich kook is cog? |
| 22:36.09 | cog|work | 3-4 are the best |
| 22:36.12 | durcyn | Lopeppeppy: because otherwise i'd have to pretend to do my job! |
| 22:36.17 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: inanity, or insanity? |
| 22:36.22 | WobWork | The one spruiking the single link =) |
| 22:36.23 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: both |
| 22:36.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 22:36.34 | alestane | Lunessa: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/ |
| 22:36.51 | Lunessa | alestane: Naturalemont |
| 22:36.57 | cog|work | Dagmar: look under the "About Me" at the top-right of the page ;) |
| 22:37.05 | Dagmar | OKay. Heh |
| 22:37.44 | cog|work | durcyn: Legorol will vouch for the awesomeness of the latter installments ;) |
| 22:37.46 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/2009/12/9/dessert-porn/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+pa-mainsite+%28Penny+Arcade%29 |
| 22:37.58 | durcyn | cog|work: too many words :( |
| 22:38.05 | durcyn | also, reading this right-wing spew is making me ill |
| 22:38.37 | Dagmar | Okay, now I'm wondering what kind of medication cog needs to help him see that arguing with republicans is about as useful as arguing with fire |
| 22:38.42 | Shirik | lurvs Lopeppeppy |
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| 22:38.51 | Adys | "last year saw the invention of the "bucookie" genre" |
| 22:38.52 | WobWork | Dagmar: there's a slight difference |
| 22:38.53 | Adys | hahah |
| 22:38.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: both are better with a firehose? |
| 22:38.54 | WobWork | fire pretty |
| 22:38.54 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Shirik |
| 22:38.56 | Dagmar | "Delusional nonsense" is their new central focus |
| 22:40.19 | cog|work | is imagining Sarah sitting at home with a red face and steam coming out of her ears waiting 'till she can get back onto facebook and send me some more profanity >< |
| 22:40.38 | Lopeppeppy | Hope she assplodes, cog|work. |
| 22:42.09 | durcyn | cog|work: incidentally, the link from part 3 to part 4 goes to part 2 |
| 22:42.31 | cog|work | thankee |
| 22:42.34 | Dagmar | WHat you should do is walk away |
| 22:42.45 | cog|work | Dagmar: this was days ago :P |
| 22:42.51 | Dagmar | Block her, unfriend her, whatever it takes to silence the noise. |
| 22:42.57 | Dagmar | If you won't do that, then go for the kill |
| 22:43.09 | Dagmar | Sit down and find out not what their arguments are, but what pisses them off the most |
| 22:43.21 | cog|work | she blocked me after sending me http://blog.cogwheel.info/2009/12/i-get-facebook-messages.html |
| 22:43.31 | Dagmar | Pure and simple, carefully construct a post designed to offend them indirectly in every possible way |
| 22:43.47 | Lunessa | "Top-level helm and shoulder faction-related enchants are now available as Bind-on-Account items that do not require any faction to use once purchased (they still require the appropriate faction level to purchase)." |
| 22:43.56 | Dagmar | Next, make sure you mention their name in the post, and then mention the URL somewhere where Google will see it. |
| 22:44.33 | Dagmar | All things being equal, rather frequently this will cause your blog post to turn up like a bad penny every time they google their name |
| 22:44.46 | Dagmar | It's the troll that keeps on trolling. |
| 22:45.07 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy lurved me so hard I got DCed :( |
| 22:45.26 | cog|work | should add her last name back into all of her posts >< |
| 22:45.32 | Guest49577 | grr |
| 22:45.37 | Shirik | tackles kd3 |
| 22:45.39 | durcyn | oh my god |
| 22:45.44 | Shirik | s/kd3/Guest49577/ |
| 22:45.53 | durcyn | cog|work: he thinks there are ghosts in his house? |
| 22:45.59 | durcyn | fffffffuck. |
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| 22:46.21 | Adys | durcyn: that was pretty amazing yeah |
| 22:46.35 | cog|work | durcyn: 1) yes. 2) he was totally misrepresenting my side of the conversation in that post, even if I was ridiculing him in my mind |
| 22:47.11 | cog|work | but yeah, he's as strong a believer in ghosts as he is that global warming is a liberal lie |
| 22:47.50 | Dagmar | This is why it's important to change your tactic. |
| 22:47.50 | Adys | idiocy comes in pairs |
| 22:48.02 | Dagmar | The only way you win an argument with a kook is if they stroke out and die. |
| 22:48.05 | cog|work | http://www.foxnewsradio.com/2009/07/13/spencers-ghost-hunting-adventures/#axzz0ZEbbYnlN |
| 22:48.16 | Dagmar | Therefore, your only winning tactic will be to cause them to have a stroke and die. |
| 22:49.00 | Torhal | Dagmar: An Internet air bubble! |
| 22:49.04 | cog|work | i don't have any desire to "win" per se... just wanted to present the other side of the story for whatever it was worth |
| 22:49.06 | Dagmar | So let's not mince words. we've all been on the internet long enough to become masters of getting people's goats with a little preparation. |
| 22:49.34 | Dagmar | Ya just gotta knuckle down and put together a post that'll cause that stoke |
| 22:49.37 | Dagmar | er stroke |
| 22:49.45 | Torhal | Stoke the stroke |
| 22:49.50 | cog|work | and for the record, I've been "friends" with spencer since long before he joined fox news. He's the reason I started playing WoW |
| 22:50.01 | Adys | he joined fox news? |
| 22:50.03 | cog|work | (which is horribly ironic given his wife's vitriol about my pasttime) |
| 22:50.07 | Lunessa | Dagmar: It's not the stroke I want to cause. |
| 22:50.12 | WobWork | You should rewrite your macro FAQ... then insert the link to the 'Mrs Spencer Putdown' in it |
| 22:50.13 | Adys | idiocy really doesn't only come in pairs |
| 22:50.17 | WobWork | for MAXIMUM GOOGLE RANKING =) |
| 22:50.43 | Dagmar | WobWork has freed himself from the bonds of self-restraint! |
| 22:51.17 | WobWork | cog|work: Wasn't the whole Fox|News general enough warning? =) |
| 22:51.25 | Dagmar | This guy is a fan of Ghost Hunters and you still care what he thinks? |
| 22:51.36 | cog|work | WobWork: thing is, on many issues he doesn't fall along party lines |
| 22:51.37 | Dagmar | let me know when someone on that show grows a pair of testes |
| 22:51.54 | cog|work | He supports gay marriage and medical marijuana for example |
| 22:51.55 | Lopeppeppy | purrs at Shirik. |
| 22:52.01 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 22:52.11 | Adys | chrome is awesome |
| 22:52.20 | WobWork | Adys: especially with extensions |
| 22:52.30 | Dagmar | cog|work: So do probably roughly 50% of chickens pecking a dartboard covered in causes |
| 22:52.34 | Adys | who in here knew you could select an url that's not been href'd, right click it and select "Go to ..."? |
| 22:52.35 | Dagmar | That doesn't really mean much |
| 22:52.35 | cog|work | WobWork: I used to call into his show nearly every day when he was on a local station |
| 22:52.39 | durcyn | well, there you go, his wife is defensive because she's trapped in a loveless marriage with a pothead closet homosexual. come to think of it, the pot explains the ghost thing too. |
| 22:52.47 | Lopeppeppy | from the strongest of loves, comes the strongest of hates. |
| 22:52.54 | cog|work | and since i'm not a fan of prejudice, i gave him the benefit of the doubt |
| 22:52.54 | Dagmar | Adys: Pornolizer addon IIRC |
| 22:52.55 | Lopeppeppy | She probably resented your friendship, cog|work. |
| 22:52.57 | WobWork | It's a fine line between pleasure and pain |
| 22:53.11 | Adys | Dagmar: No, builtin |
| 22:53.14 | WobWork | Adys: it's something I've -always- wante |
| 22:53.15 | WobWork | d |
| 22:53.21 | Dagmar | Interesting |
| 22:53.22 | Adys | its builtin |
| 22:53.25 | Dagmar | It used to be an addon |
| 22:53.40 | Adys | i dunno, it might be recent |
| 22:53.42 | Adys | i found out today so |
| 22:53.46 | Dagmar | Oh no! Mozilla is taking work away from addon developers like Apple does with iToonz! onoes |
| 22:54.38 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:54.39 | WobWork | huh, I've got the 'Fadeout google' page |
| 22:54.46 | cog|work | Dagmar: i'd've gone with a comparison to blizz ;) |
| 22:54.51 | Adys | WobWork: they pushed it worldwide |
| 22:54.53 | WobWork | yeah =) |
| 22:55.06 | Dagmar | cog|work: I've been babysitting a painter for the last five hours without caffiene |
| 22:55.07 | WobWork | onoez, they have implemented the addon into the UI! |
| 22:55.28 | Dagmar | Imma kick his boss in the shins tomorrow for trying to tell me he'd be done by 3:30 |
| 22:56.03 | *** part/#wowuidev sacarasc (i=sacarasc@xmms2/bitch/sacarasc) |
| 22:56.10 | WobWork | also |
| 22:56.13 | WobWork | wtf Norway? |
| 22:56.14 | WobWork | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1234430/Mystery-spiral-blue-light-display-hovers-Norway.html |
| 22:56.30 | Lopeppeppy | Blame Canada! |
| 22:56.52 | Adys | Witnesses from Trøndelag to Finnmark compared the amazing sight to anything from a Russian rocket to a meteor or a shock wave - although no one appears to have mentioned UFOs yet. |
| 22:56.56 | Adys | moves to norway |
| 22:57.21 | Dagmar | What the fuck |
| 22:57.30 | WobWork | Adys: The Scandanavians tend to be more realistic about phenomena =) |
| 22:57.46 | Dagmar | If that's not a bunch of photoshopped pictures can we shut down the HCL already? |
| 22:57.54 | Dagmar | er HLC |
| 22:57.57 | WobWork | LHC? |
| 22:58.08 | Lopeppeppy | Probably someone with a nice new set of Rockband lights on a fog bank or something. |
| 22:59.02 | Dagmar | Large Hadron Collider |
| 22:59.16 | Dagmar | ...cuz it's _toally_ safe to create black holes next door |
| 23:00.29 | WobWork | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/09/lhc_2_tev_collisions/ |
| 23:00.41 | WobWork | it's like a science thesauras came in my mouth >< |
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| 23:01.06 | Adys | Dagmar: how about we leave you a week with the douchebags cog had the pleasure to deal with so you stop being all "omg the sky is falling"? |
| 23:01.38 | WobWork | I don't really mind the LHC |
| 23:01.44 | WobWork | since it's half a world away |
| 23:01.52 | WobWork | anything that happens... we'll be the last to know =) |
| 23:02.09 | Lopeppeppy | WobWork, the image you gave me was... frightening. Stop doing that. |
| 23:02.13 | Dagmar | There's idiots with nukes who promise a much more painful and lingering death |
| 23:02.13 | Lopeppeppy | *pours the brain bleach* |
| 23:02.18 | cog|work | well, you'll probably be the ONLY ones to "know" depending on what that anything is ;) |
| 23:02.29 | Dagmar | I'm not particualrly worrying about one more potential world-ending scenario |
| 23:02.54 | WobWork | Lopeppeppy: it tasted funny =( |
| 23:03.12 | WobWork | wait, that's the tagline to the "Tastes like a clown came in my mouth" |
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| 23:03.43 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: there appear to be too many things coming in your mouth. |
| 23:04.03 | Lopeppeppy | WobWork, that's nasty. |
| 23:04.06 | Lopeppeppy | Very nasty. |
| 23:04.09 | WobWork | Yes =) |
| 23:04.14 | Lopeppeppy | You are a bad monkey. |
| 23:05.54 | NightHawkTheSane | gives WobWork a cookie |
| 23:06.35 | Lunessa | I t can be napz tiem noa? |
| 23:06.50 | Shirik | gives Lunessa a pillow |
| 23:06.51 | NightHawkTheSane | no. but it can be nap time now. |
| 23:07.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i would murder a small puppy for a nap |
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| 23:08.08 | WobWork | I would snuggle a small puppy for a nap |
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| 23:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | My cats have spare sleepions, they're infecting me with them right now. |
| 23:09.10 | cog|work | woot "Your ticket will be serviced soon" |
| 23:09.36 | ScytheBlade1 | time to root my droid |
| 23:09.53 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: wtb link to walkthrough |
| 23:10.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=210&t=567 |
| 23:10.38 | ScytheBlade1 | also, unrelated, but probably useful for you http://phandroid.com/2009/12/09/motorola-droid-battery-cover-falls-off-fix/ |
| 23:12.38 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: 1) haven't had that problem, 2) probably would've figured that out myself ;) |
| 23:12.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I have, but probably because I took the cover off to look at what is back there in detail |
| 23:13.08 | batrick | so question of the day |
| 23:13.12 | batrick | was GS really banned? |
| 23:13.29 | ScytheBlade1 | GS? |
| 23:13.39 | batrick | gear score |
| 23:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I hope so |
| 23:13.47 | NightHawkTheSane | we could only hope |
| 23:13.55 | cog|work | ... |
| 23:13.59 | Kraps | where does it say the gearscore? http://wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Stormreaver&name=Ertis |
| 23:14.19 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt |
| 23:14.27 | NightHawkTheSane | batrick: but i haven't heard anything about that, where did you? |
| 23:14.35 | batrick | general forums has huge thread on it |
| 23:14.51 | batrick | i cbf reading the entire thread to try to gleam (sp?) the truth |
| 23:14.52 | batbot | batrick, gleam is correct. |
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| 23:15.11 | Kraps | glean |
| 23:15.35 | batrick | hmm they are both words |
| 23:15.42 | batrick | but yes, glean, thanks :) |
| 23:15.47 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: lol, awesome, the patch that fixes the hole: https://review.source.android.com/#patch,sidebyside,12807,1,verifier.c |
| 23:17.19 | NightHawkTheSane | fixes ScytheBlade1's hole |
| 23:17.41 | NightHawkTheSane | batrick: bleh, so more likely its just some random idiots in general qqing and crying wolf |
| 23:18.32 | Arrowmaster | http://i48.tinypic.com/2s7f3b6.jpg |
| 23:18.34 | WobWork | gleam means shiny |
| 23:18.42 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: did you do something? |
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| 23:19.03 | Amarande | yay, xperl works now. 3.3 is now fully squee worthy. |
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| 23:19.39 | Amarande | say, regarding the random dungeon finder |
| 23:19.47 | foxlit | "Banned" status? |
| 23:19.52 | Amarande | if you're in the random dungeon finder, do you only get matched up with other people who selected random |
| 23:20.00 | kd3 | no |
| 23:20.06 | Amarande | or do you get matched up also with folks who happened to select the particular dungeon you get assigned to? |
| 23:20.09 | kd3 | yes |
| 23:20.23 | Amarande | ah. so I won't be waiting from now until pigs fly to join the classic random then. |
| 23:20.27 | Amarande | although I might get vote kicked :| |
| 23:20.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't suck |
| 23:20.56 | Amarande | Scythe: I'm mostly thinking that I'm a level 39 thinking of doing Classic Random |
| 23:20.57 | Dagmar | ...and don't complain about everything |
| 23:21.03 | Dagmar | On second thought, good luck on that. |
| 23:21.05 | Amarande | and I *think* I could get selected for Mara in that bracket |
| 23:21.15 | Amarande | which I'd probably not be able to do at all well in |
| 23:21.21 | Amarande | (bracket's 35-45, if I recall) |
| 23:21.52 | Amarande | basically, it seems that classic might be iffy to do random in till you're 57+ or so |
| 23:21.59 | Amarande | because of the chance of getting assigned to a dungeon too high level for you |
| 23:22.17 | Arrowmaster | back in the day people used to only do one of the 3 different parts of mara at a time usually |
| 23:22.30 | Amarande | Arrow: probably because it's as big as BRD |
| 23:22.33 | Amarande | or seems to be, anyway |
| 23:22.38 | Amarande | which one's bigger? |
| 23:22.40 | ScytheBlade1 | wow that was easy |
| 23:22.41 | Arrowmaster | brd is bigger |
| 23:22.43 | ScytheBlade1 | droid has been rooted |
| 23:22.45 | Amarande | mara always seemed like it was bigger, but brd might be |
| 23:23.00 | kd3 | brd is gigantic |
| 23:23.04 | Amarande | BRD definitely tends not to take as long, but that could be because I know my way around in there quite well and don't get lost |
| 23:23.08 | Amarande | while I *always* get lost in Mara |
| 23:23.33 | Amarande | the only dungeon that rivals Mara for getting lost is ST :| |
| 23:23.37 | Arrowmaster | my guild mates used to say they always got lost in brd when they went in on alts |
| 23:23.50 | Arrowmaster | i know my way around brd perfectly though |
| 23:23.55 | Arrowmaster | including all the tricks |
| 23:23.56 | Amarande | Arrow: I've soloed pretty much every BRD quest on my 80, so yeah, I know my way well :) |
| 23:24.01 | ScytheBlade1 | $ su |
| 23:24.01 | ScytheBlade1 | # |
| 23:24.03 | Dagmar | When was the last time you had to get a key in there tho |
| 23:24.08 | Amarande | I'm foggy on the lava swimming tricks though |
| 23:24.33 | Arrowmaster | i know them all |
| 23:24.41 | Amarande | but seeing as at this point I pretty much only go between the place the remote drops you off and the black forge, I don't really have to worry about that |
| 23:24.53 | Arrowmaster | used to solo the fire elemental for bracers way back in the day |
| 23:25.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 23:25.09 | Arrowmaster | used to also help attune people for MC |
| 23:25.13 | NightHawkTheSane | >< hated doing that |
| 23:25.31 | Amarande | yeah, if you ever need MC attunement and are on Turalyon, look me up |
| 23:25.40 | Amarande | I have a remote AND have finished the love potion quest, so I can get there stupidly fast |
| 23:26.01 | *** join/#wowuidev DWSR (n=doingwha@unaffiliated/dwsr) |
| 23:26.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i think they removed attunement for mc |
| 23:26.23 | Amarande | Night: hmm, you sure? |
| 23:26.26 | kd3 | they did |
| 23:26.38 | kd3 | all attunements are gone short of quest requirements (for, say, the new 5-mans) |
| 23:26.41 | DWSR | hey all, I want to modify Loggerhead (or LibTourist) to support ICC so that I don't have to manually worry about combat log toggling. Can anyone help me with this? |
| 23:26.41 | Dagmar | You might be able to go in, but you can't get the free 'port without it as far as I know |
| 23:26.41 | Amarande | can you use the teleports to MC (and probably BWL too) without doing the associated quest first? |
| 23:26.56 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 23:26.59 | Amarande | I know MC and BWL can both be entered without 'attunement' if you're willing to go through BRD/UBRS to get there |
| 23:27.05 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 23:27.10 | DWSR | You can't port, but you can get in |
| 23:27.10 | Adys | This is neat |
| 23:27.18 | DWSR | But, it's not a big deal. |
| 23:27.19 | NightHawkTheSane | thats always been the case |
| 23:27.26 | DWSR | BRD you can lava walk to the end in about 10 minutes. |
| 23:27.29 | Amarande | Somehow I'm attuned for both |
| 23:27.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought they changed the port for mc so you didn't need to be attuned to use it. |
| 23:27.47 | Amarande | thank god for voidwalker bubbles, because Drakkisath is the one thing in the Blackrock nonraid dungeons who I can't solo |
| 23:27.59 | DWSR | Amarande: lolurbad |
| 23:28.01 | DWSR | He's ezmode. |
| 23:28.06 | NightHawkTheSane | but i haven't zoned in to mc in like years |
| 23:28.12 | Amarande | DWSR: actually, I don't think it's *Drakkisath* who's the problem |
| 23:28.14 | Adys | neat neat neat |
| 23:28.15 | Dagmar | sad |
| 23:28.21 | Amarande | it's his stupid assed buddies and their fucking MS |
| 23:28.26 | Adys | they added mailing list groups to google wave |
| 23:28.26 | DWSR | l2kite. |
| 23:28.33 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: thanks for bring back bad memories |
| 23:28.37 | Amarande | you get MS'd, no way are you going to be able to fight the 3 of them and keep your HP up as a lock |
| 23:28.44 | DWSR | Amarande: L2kite. |
| 23:28.53 | Arrowmaster | i used to have to kite an add in ubrs if there wasnt a hunter |
| 23:29.06 | Amarande | DWSR: kite, as destro. yeah. need to get my dual spec before I can think of doing that :S |
| 23:29.18 | DWSR | Amarande: lol, if you can't kite as destro you're awful. |
| 23:29.22 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: you mean, "cast fear" |
| 23:29.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: eh? |
| 23:29.23 | DWSR | Wait, PvP destro* |
| 23:29.31 | Amarande | 0/13/58 |
| 23:29.33 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: you can add any google group to google wave |
| 23:29.35 | DWSR | durcyn: iirc, they're fear immune. |
| 23:29.37 | Adys | in contacts |
| 23:29.39 | Adys | new wave |
| 23:29.49 | durcyn | DWSR: you recall incorrectly. |
| 23:29.50 | DWSR | Amarande: Yeah, 0/17/54 makes it easy with Glyph of Shadowflame. |
| 23:29.51 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, neat |
| 23:29.55 | Adys | and search for group:chromium-dev@googlegroups.com |
| 23:29.56 | Adys | etc |
| 23:29.57 | Amarande | sadly, there's so many uses I have for gold that 1000g for dual spec on a warlock isn't really a good choice. |
| 23:30.05 | Arrowmaster | perty sure they were immune to fear at one point |
| 23:30.10 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 23:30.13 | durcyn | nope. |
| 23:30.14 | Amarande | really, my priest, warrior and druid should all get dual spec before my warlock or hunter :S |
| 23:30.18 | Arrowmaster | remember im talking 15 man ubrs days |
| 23:30.25 | durcyn | just level 62, so you had to *dun dun dun* CoE them |
| 23:30.28 | WobWork | Adys: there needs to be a 'cool things that you can do, that are actually useful in Wave' ... wave |
| 23:30.45 | Adys | they just added that |
| 23:30.49 | Adys | like seconds ago |
| 23:30.51 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: that was stupidly easy. |
| 23:30.58 | DWSR | Anyway, with fear it's stupid easy. |
| 23:31.05 | DWSR | Or, get your voidwalker to tank both adds. |
| 23:31.06 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone want to have a drink with Peppy? I could use one! |
| 23:31.08 | DWSR | They hit like noodles. |
| 23:31.09 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: oh wait it was drakk i had to kite |
| 23:31.13 | Amarande | yeah, I once again never considered fear |
| 23:31.18 | DWSR | urbad. |
| 23:31.18 | Amarande | mental block again |
| 23:31.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: i need a drink badly. >< |
| 23:31.28 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: Yep. |
| 23:31.28 | Arrowmaster | remember everybody used to kite him out of the room while the rest of the group killed the adds |
| 23:31.29 | Amarande | DWSR: it's a sort of mental block I have with bossy type enemies |
| 23:31.30 | Dagmar | ~DWSR++ |
| 23:31.30 | DWSR | hands Lopeppeppy a drink |
| 23:31.38 | Amarande | I always expect that bosses are immune to things like that |
| 23:31.45 | Dezzimal | hah looks like ckk or someone had the foresight to add (commented) icecrown citadel to libtourist back in july |
| 23:31.49 | Shirik | woot |
| 23:31.49 | Dezzimal | well played |
| 23:31.53 | Shirik | Term: 4.00 |
| 23:31.55 | Amarande | and remember, there's TWO mortal strike mofos there |
| 23:31.56 | Shirik | Cum: 4.00 |
| 23:31.59 | Shirik | I win at school |
| 23:32.07 | DWSR | Shirik: Bad way to abbreviate Cummulative. |
| 23:32.10 | durcyn | and ejaculation, apparently. |
| 23:32.10 | Arrowmaster | drakk is immune to CoEx |
| 23:32.16 | durcyn | damn it DWSR |
| 23:32.18 | Shirik | Blame the school :P |
| 23:32.19 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Elements. |
| 23:32.23 | Amarande | at what gear level is it practical to be able to CC both adds at once for long enough to kill one? |
| 23:32.27 | Amarande | drakk I'm not as worried about |
| 23:32.30 | DWSR | Amarande: Uh.... |
| 23:32.34 | DWSR | Amarande: VW tank one, fear other. |
| 23:32.37 | DWSR | Spank Drak |
| 23:32.38 | DWSR | Win |
| 23:32.46 | DWSR | If you can't do that, you're horrible. |
| 23:32.48 | Amarande | the trouble like I said is getting socked with MS and then self heals aren't good enough |
| 23:32.56 | WobWork | Adys: ...=( where? |
| 23:33.01 | DWSR | Hence why you fear one and VW tank the other. |
| 23:33.08 | Arrowmaster | top guild on my server right before they changed ubrs from 15 man to 10 man 3 manned the place, with a warlock kiting drakk while the warrior and priest killed both adds |
| 23:33.10 | DWSR | Your VW has more armor and you give him way better healing. |
| 23:33.16 | durcyn | i two boxed it with my druid alt at 70, i think you're probably giving drakkisath too much credit. |
| 23:33.19 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS, I'm having a forbidden mojito, you're welcome to share. |
| 23:33.36 | Dagmar | Dont' block with your face |
| 23:33.37 | Amarande | Arrow: I still remember when 5-manning Scholomance was considered a feat |
| 23:33.40 | cog|work | can't have a drink for another hour and a half or so |
| 23:33.51 | Dagmar | There's bosses in there I can kill in under 15s |
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| 23:33.53 | Amarande | (now my warlock owns the inhabitants like they were little babies) |
| 23:34.01 | Arrowmaster | i remember it because i was in ubrs at the time and know the warlock, he said they cleared all of rends area and he kited drakk between the sides of rends area |
| 23:34.07 | Amarande | Scholo used to basically be the Kara of classic, I'm guessing? |
| 23:34.14 | DWSR | No |
| 23:34.20 | DWSR | Kara was the kara of classic |
| 23:34.20 | Arrowmaster | i did all the scholomance 5 man quests in 5 man when it was still a 10 man |
| 23:34.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: it might take a while to share it, i'll just grab a beer at home and toast you :P |
| 23:34.30 | Amarande | DWSR: in the very earliest days before UBRS got that honor |
| 23:34.37 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: same. :( |
| 23:34.38 | DWSR | oh. |
| 23:34.41 | Amarande | Arrow: you had to, didn't you? those quests weren't feasible in a raid that I know of |
| 23:34.42 | DWSR | *shrug* yeah probably. |
| 23:34.42 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: i did them when you could still cheat and drop raid =P |
| 23:34.59 | Arrowmaster | perty sure you could do that when i did it but i didnt |
| 23:35.08 | Arrowmaster | i was doing multiple ones per run |
| 23:35.09 | Amarande | DWSR: I mean in terms of having the same sort of progression position that Kara did in BC |
| 23:35.16 | Adys | WobWork: whathwere? |
| 23:35.19 | Amarande | or was the progression actually UBRS -> Scholo? |
| 23:35.33 | Arrowmaster | there wasnt progression |
| 23:35.36 | durcyn | they were parallel. |
| 23:35.52 | durcyn | scholomance had the t0 hats and such, ubrs had the chests |
| 23:35.53 | Arrowmaster | it was 'oh you just hit 60 you can now find a random pug for any of these 10-15 man dungeons |
| 23:35.55 | Amarande | there really needs to be a dungeon like scholo added to the game again |
| 23:35.57 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.04 | durcyn | because blue cloth sets with AGILITY ON THEM were useful at the time |
| 23:36.12 | Amarande | we've never really gotten one like it since |
| 23:36.14 | Amarande | kara *maybe* |
| 23:36.14 | Adys | WobWork: add chromium-dev@googlegroups.com to your contacts |
| 23:36.15 | Amarande | that's about it |
| 23:36.27 | Amarande | I mean in terms of atmosphere, length and number of bosses, anyway |
| 23:36.36 | Amarande | Kara, Naxx, and Ulduar are the only ones that could even rival it? |
| 23:36.39 | NightHawkTheSane | thats entirely intentional |
| 23:36.39 | Adys | WobWork: click it, new wave/wave list |
| 23:36.49 | NightHawkTheSane | those instances were obnoxious, and long. |
| 23:36.56 | Amarande | and none of them quite have the atmosphere (maybe kara, sort of) |
| 23:37.03 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: that page is confusing it seems to have two sets of incompatible instructions. Should I be paying attention to anything under the "UPDATE: 2009-12-09" ? |
| 23:37.09 | Arrowmaster | i had the cloth FR pants from scholo, you do not want to know how many fucking times ive done that place |
| 23:37.15 | DWSR | If I want to add a new zone to LoggerHead, do I need to edit Loggerhead or LibTourist? |
| 23:37.23 | Arrowmaster | libtourist |
| 23:37.33 | NightHawkTheSane | blizzard has all but explicitly said that absurdly-long instances like brd/scholo/mara are not where they want to go |
| 23:37.40 | DWSR | LibTourist supposedly supports the ICC raid zone, but it's not in LH's options. |
| 23:37.41 | DWSR | Halp |
| 23:37.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Spellshaper1 (n=Spellsha@dslb-084-056-227-114.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:37.50 | Arrowmaster | because its probably commented out |
| 23:38.37 | durcyn | it's commented out. |
| 23:38.43 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 23:38.47 | DWSR | -- is the comment in Lua? |
| 23:38.52 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 23:38.52 | durcyn | :3353 or so |
| 23:39.00 | DWSR | 3159 |
| 23:39.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (n=Sixen@173-25-23-10.client.mchsi.com) |
| 23:39.05 | durcyn | try again. |
| 23:39.08 | durcyn | 3353 :) |
| 23:39.28 | DWSR | oh, nvm. |
| 23:39.32 | DWSR | Looking at somewhere else that said ICC |
| 23:39.38 | Amarande | random question: do hunters ever get track dragonkin? |
| 23:39.41 | durcyn | 3159 is the entrance to the citadel from the outdoor zone |
| 23:39.47 | NightHawkTheSane | random answer: look it the fuck up on wowhead. |
| 23:40.04 | DWSR | durcyn: Yeah |
| 23:40.14 | DWSR | durcyn: alright, so I just uncomment, save, ???, profit? |
| 23:40.21 | Arrowmaster | doubtful |
| 23:40.27 | durcyn | it's probably not in BZR |
| 23:40.31 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: whoops, was scrolled up |
| 23:40.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb|L (n=caleb@dsl4E5C020E.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 23:40.36 | DWSR | BabbleZone? |
| 23:40.37 | Arrowmaster | since the zone names were not known at that time |
| 23:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: get http://alldroid.org/download/file.php?id=643 on your droid as /sdcard/update.zip |
| 23:41.07 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: from there, hold down X, power off, power on (still holding X) |
| 23:41.18 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: then press camera+volume up |
| 23:41.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ... done |
| 23:41.20 | durcyn | well i'll be fucked, it looks like the strings made it into babble |
| 23:41.27 | DWSR | durcyn: When? |
| 23:41.31 | cog|work | i.e. all that stuff after the "UPDATE" is essentially meaningless... |
| 23:41.34 | cog|work | >< |
| 23:41.39 | durcyn | DWSR: r246 |
| 23:41.42 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah probably |
| 23:41.43 | DWSR | durcyn: mkay. |
| 23:41.55 | DWSR | durcyn: I'm logging in now to check to see if LH actually got ICC. If not, I'll probably have more questions |
| 23:42.09 | DWSR | Here's hoping I have >r246 |
| 23:42.45 | DWSR | ack, no, I don't. |
| 23:42.47 | DWSR | I don't think. |
| 23:43.00 | DWSR | This is why I hate dealing with embedded libs. |
| 23:43.41 | DWSR | btw, did they fix the HoR bug today? |
| 23:44.01 | Thunder_Child | which? |
| 23:44.33 | DWSR | The gunship. |
| 23:44.36 | DWSR | Getting on it disconnected you |
| 23:44.38 | Arrowmaster | get me all the damn info and ill fix tourist |
| 23:45.11 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: commented out on lines 3159 and 3353 or so, strings are already in the latest babble |
| 23:45.18 | Amarande | ok, gearscore is a very weird addon, or I'm missing something entirely. |
| 23:45.22 | Arrowmaster | all the zones arent though im guessing |
| 23:45.31 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: you can cheese it if you have levitate |
| 23:45.32 | Amarande | it shows my lock has average ilvl 209, but a lower gearscore than a character with average ilvl 201? |
| 23:45.34 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: probably not. |
| 23:45.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Spellshaper2 (n=Spellsha@dslb-084-056-227-114.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:46.31 | durcyn | DWSR: do you remember what GetRealZoneText was for ICC? |
| 23:46.37 | DWSR | No, I don't. |
| 23:46.50 | durcyn | well, what the hell good are you? |
| 23:47.25 | DWSR | lol |
| 23:47.27 | DWSR | Wow, really? |
| 23:47.38 | DWSR | Did XPBN really lose the ability to resize the rep bar? |
| 23:47.40 | NightHawkTheSane | none whatsoever, really :P |
| 23:47.50 | DWSR | That's amazing. Feature regression ftl. |
| 23:47.51 | Amarande | Drat. No stable master in Dustwallow. |
| 23:48.05 | Amarande | DWSR: you still use a bar for rep? :) |
| 23:48.22 | Amarande | I used FactionsFu back in the day, and now I always use a data broker addon to show rep progress in numbers |
| 23:48.23 | DWSR | Amarande: Yes. I'm doing the Insane. |
| 23:48.50 | Amarande | I was used to FuBar, and eventually switched to Bazooka and databroker addons |
| 23:49.15 | Amarande | also, did I mention that no stable master in Dustwallow takes the piss? |
| 23:49.23 | Amarande | gotta go all the way back to camp t *sigh* |
| 23:49.59 | Amarande | with my aggro happy tendencies I decided to grab a tenacity pet and stable Mog for a while |
| 23:50.03 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:50.08 | Amarande | gotta think of a good name for a croc. |
| 23:50.44 | durcyn | Dundee. |
| 23:51.05 | Dagmar | Uglyshoe |
| 23:51.17 | durcyn | or, Handbag |
| 23:51.21 | durcyn | so many options |
| 23:51.28 | Dagmar | Runners up would be "Handbag" and "Smiley" |
| 23:51.37 | Dagmar | doh jeenx |
| 23:54.10 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:54.15 | Amarande | anyone know if that bug mentioned yesterday |
| 23:54.26 | Amarande | the one where you could change the target mid channel on zapper type quest items |
| 23:54.27 | Amarande | was hotfixed? |
| 23:55.10 | Amarande | because there seems another sort of bug regarding such things now ... guildie is saying he can't do the quest with the Farahlon Lashers in Netherstorm, it won't do anything when he clicks the item |
| 23:56.44 | bleeter | P.S. GG Cinematics Team. 10/10 friends of mine thought the logo at the end of the 3.3 cinematic said 'Fail of the Lich King' ;) |
| 23:56.53 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: rooted..... now what? >< |
| 23:57.00 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:57.18 | Amarande | also: is it worth using engineering kablooie or blacksmithing keys to open lockboxes, or should I just suck it up and level my rogue? |
| 23:57.20 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SItFvB0Upb8 |
| 23:57.28 | Amarande | bleeter: that's because friz quadrata sucks? :D |
| 23:58.01 | Amarande | we're talking like, I have A LOT of lockboxes to open. |
| 23:58.08 | Amarande | some of which have been sitting in my bank since BC. |
| 23:58.12 | Lunessa | Cobalt Keys = LUFF |
| 23:58.22 | Amarande | yeah, right now I have up to arcanite ones |
| 23:58.28 | Amarande | also, should see if that will open the door to scholomance ... |
| 23:58.36 | Amarande | okay |
| 23:58.49 | Amarande | wish I had 350 eng and level 65, Lunessa :) |
| 23:58.57 | Amarande | actually, wish I was level 80 and geared enough for Ulduar, I want that bow. |
| 23:59.00 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande, have you no rogue guildies? |
| 23:59.12 | Lopeppeppy | Pep opened boxes for the guild all the time! |
| 23:59.14 | Amarande | Lopeppeppy: guildies have this sad habit of not sticking with rogues long enough to actually open anything good |
| 23:59.28 | WobWork | hard to find decent rogues =( |
| 23:59.49 | Amarande | Guild rogues range from level 10-43. |
