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| 00:06.32 | foxlit | I wonder if RGBA-palette TGA images are a myth |
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| 00:09.04 | foxlit | I made http://www.go-hero.net/box/glow2.tga , but I've yet to see it render correctly :( |
| 00:13.02 | foxlit | Score, it crashes wow |
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| 00:20.36 | Fisker | you wouldn't foxlit |
| 00:21.03 | Fisker | make comparisons foxlit |
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| 00:34.56 | Shirik | You wouldn't Fisker |
| 00:35.01 | Shirik | write a sentence Fisker |
| 00:35.04 | Shirik | on three lines Fisker |
| 00:35.42 | Shirik | foxlit: What error? |
| 00:35.46 | foxlit | segfault |
| 00:35.52 | Shirik | details! |
| 00:36.06 | foxlit | unable to access memory at 0xfffffffe |
| 00:36.13 | Shirik | hm |
| 00:36.24 | Corrodias | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE- |
| 00:36.30 | foxlit | WoW is 32-bit |
| 00:36.34 | Fisker | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 00:36.39 | Shirik | anyway wtf am I looking at foxlit |
| 00:36.40 | foxlit | I did not count the fs, tbh |
| 00:36.56 | foxlit | Shirik: dunno, what *are* you looking at? |
| 00:37.08 | Shirik | a yellow background with a white glowy circle thingy |
| 00:37.21 | Fisker | that's why i wanted comparisons |
| 00:37.23 | foxlit | It's interesting. XnView has that interpretation |
| 00:37.24 | Fisker | (or gtfo) |
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| 00:37.39 | foxlit | Safari has a cyan background with a glowy circle thingy |
| 00:37.59 | foxlit | Generally, cyan means that the renderer is incompetent and is not respecting the alpha channel. |
| 00:38.04 | foxlit | /yellow |
| 00:38.52 | foxlit | It's a 256-color 32-bit palette with (a, 255, 255, a) entries. |
| 00:39.31 | foxlit | I suppose you get yellow if you interpet that as ?RGB; and cyan if it's RGB? |
| 00:39.50 | foxlit | Paint.Net fails spectacularly, too. |
| 00:40.28 | Shirik | foxlit: Photoshop seems to think it's CMYK |
| 00:40.37 | Shirik | unless I'm misinterpreting it |
| 00:41.09 | Shirik | I take it back |
| 00:41.16 | Shirik | it thinks it's neither CMYK nor RGB |
| 00:41.24 | Shirik | it's in "indexed color" mode? |
| 00:41.27 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 00:41.28 | Fisker | is it superman? |
| 00:41.40 | Fisker | so not superman? |
| 00:42.14 | Shirik | it uses a custom color table that is comprised entirely of different variations of yellow? |
| 00:42.35 | foxlit | You can interpret it that way, yes. |
| 00:42.52 | foxlit | However, the intention is to have a color table that is composed entirely of 256 alpha shades of white. |
| 00:43.16 | foxlit | I've borrowed one of the color channels to replicate the alpha channel because looking at entirely white images is boring. |
| 00:43.29 | Fisker | ok |
| 00:43.32 | Fisker | i forever hate you |
| 00:43.38 | Fisker | goodnight Shirik :( |
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| 00:45.36 | Thunder_Child | vomits on Fisker |
| 00:45.52 | Fisker | consumes the vomit and Thunder_Child |
| 00:46.30 | DWSR | http://pastebin.com/d84e32bc <-- Getting 'incompatible types in assignment', but both are floats. Halp? |
| 00:47.06 | foxlit | flowRateTable.flowRates[NUMROWS - 1, cix] what? |
| 00:47.19 | foxlit | As in what [is that comma doing there?] |
| 00:47.59 | foxlit | net effect is that you're trying to do float = float * |
| 00:48.07 | foxlit | The compiler is rightfully not amused. :) |
| 00:48.39 | DWSR | Oh, nevermind. |
| 00:48.42 | DWSR | ffs Thanks you |
| 00:50.07 | foxlit | wonder if he has crashed Shirik as well. |
| 00:50.14 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:50.18 | DWSR | foxlit: Ok, 3 more questions. |
| 00:50.35 | DWSR | On 206, I get passing arg 1 of 'fgets' makes points from integer without a cast. |
| 00:50.50 | DWSR | And on 207 and 210, I get passing arg 1 of 'strtok' makes pointer from integer without a cast. |
| 00:50.55 | DWSR | Basically, same error, different function. |
| 00:51.14 | DWSR | I'm going to assume said error is going to make the program behave not as intended. |
| 00:52.20 | DWSR | What the fuck did I do wrong, exactly? |
| 00:52.46 | foxlit | "char * pch, line;" |
| 00:52.55 | foxlit | * is specific to the variable, not the declaration line |
| 00:53.07 | foxlit | Thus you've declared a pointer to a character and a character. |
| 00:54.24 | foxlit | I also don't think you're allowed to use things that way |
| 00:54.42 | DWSR | Well, all of the sudden I now get 0 warnings when compiling? |
| 00:54.42 | foxlit | A common pattern for you seems to be char * stuff; fgets(stuff, sizeof stuff, stdin) |
| 00:55.13 | foxlit | That is bad(tm) |
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| 00:55.39 | foxlit | chaging char * pch, line; to char * pch, * line; would fix most of the pointer coercion problems. |
| 00:55.48 | DWSR | Yeah, it does. |
| 00:55.59 | foxlit | However, you're still in trouble when you call those standard IO functions on your pointers |
| 00:56.50 | foxlit | The key point is that when you declare a pointer, you're only get memory that stores the pointer -- and initialization behavior is not defined, so who knows where it points when your code runs. |
| 00:57.06 | DWSR | apparently. |
| 00:57.09 | foxlit | Best case is that it'll be NULL and you'll segfault. |
| 00:57.13 | DWSR | Yep |
| 00:57.18 | DWSR | >.< |
| 00:57.44 | DWSR | What should I do instead? |
| 00:57.50 | foxlit | So you need to allocate any buffers you're going to use for fgets/strok beforehand. |
| 00:58.31 | foxlit | char * line = malloc(1024); // allocates a 1024-byte buffer. |
| 00:58.42 | foxlit | You'll have to free(line); when you're done with it |
| 00:58.44 | DWSR | Couldn't I just use MAX_LINE? |
| 00:59.29 | foxlit | As in define a constant somewhere and always allocate a buffer of that size? Sure. |
| 00:59.53 | foxlit | Alternatively, you could do char name[1024]; or whatever other length. |
| 00:59.56 | DWSR | Oh nevermind, that's POSIX that defines MAX_LINE. |
| 01:00.25 | foxlit | That'll make C handle allocation/deallocation, storing the variable on the stack. |
| 01:01.13 | foxlit | I'm not sure what the semantics are with sizeof name; you'd have to poke Shirik. |
| 01:01.19 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:01.52 | DWSR | foxlit: Don't worry, just cut out that whole line anyway. |
| 01:02.00 | DWSR | Just using regular scanf("%s", &name); |
| 01:02.19 | Shirik | how did sizeof come into this? |
| 01:02.29 | foxlit | "fgets(name, sizeof name, stdin)" |
| 01:02.52 | Shirik | not if name is a char* |
| 01:03.01 | Shirik | if it's a char[] that's ok |
| 01:03.04 | DWSR | Don't look at me, I just copypasta'd some shit. |
| 01:03.08 | DWSR | It looked like it would work. |
| 01:03.11 | DWSR | lol |
| 01:04.46 | DWSR | Anyway, I'm working through getting the program to work as intended atm. |
| 01:04.55 | DWSR | Half of this code was provided for me by the professor and half of it was mine. |
| 01:04.59 | DWSR | Or, well, probably less than half. |
| 01:05.49 | DWSR | Alright, I'm crashing around line 101. |
| 01:06.45 | foxlit | scanf("%s", &name); is an awesome way to get a buffer overflow, btw. |
| 01:06.54 | Shirik | line 101 is? |
| 01:07.03 | DWSR | } while (flowRateTable.params.n < N_MIN || flowRateTable.params.n > N_MAX); |
| 01:07.07 | DWSR | I'm crashing just after that. |
| 01:07.11 | Shirik | that's wrong anyway, foxlit |
| 01:07.23 | DWSR | foxlit: yeah, but this is cs101, so I don't really care that much |
| 01:07.31 | Shirik | DWSR: You should care that it's wrong |
| 01:07.44 | Shirik | what is the type of "name" |
| 01:07.49 | DWSR | char |
| 01:07.53 | Shirik | char |
| 01:07.54 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:07.56 | Shirik | 1 char? |
| 01:08.16 | DWSR | char[200]; |
| 01:08.18 | DWSR | sorry. |
| 01:08.20 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:08.28 | Shirik | then it should be scanf("%s", name) |
| 01:08.37 | foxlit | which makes it a pointer, which makes & unnecessary. |
| 01:08.48 | foxlit | And your present troubles are caused by scanf("%f", flowRateTable.params.n); |
| 01:09.07 | Shirik | You know |
| 01:09.12 | foxlit | That has the opposite problem: you're passing a float where a float pointer is wanted. |
| 01:09.25 | Shirik | scanf is evil |
| 01:09.36 | DWSR | Shirik: C is evil. |
| 01:09.39 | Shirik | yup |
| 01:09.53 | DWSR | But since it's currently a neccessity, let's try to look past, plz. |
| 01:11.24 | DWSR | http://codepad.org/gRrsee4H <-- updated pastey. Now crashing after 106. |
| 01:12.55 | Shirik | is this the entire code? |
| 01:13.18 | DWSR | yes. |
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| 01:16.16 | foxlit | Out of interest, where are you pulling the line numbers from? |
| 01:16.55 | foxlit | Hm, withdraw that. |
| 01:17.08 | foxlit | You're probably just looking at the last prompt it does. |
| 01:17.29 | foxlit | The win thing to do in this case: gcc *.c -g && gdb ./a.out |
| 01:17.40 | foxlit | "run", interact with your program until it crashes, "bt" |
| 01:18.18 | DWSR | foxlit: Right up until I'm not using GCC |
| 01:18.18 | foxlit | In your case: Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory; #2 0x0000000100001176 in addFlowRateTable () at raw.c:122 |
| 01:18.59 | foxlit | Either (a) the compiler/IDE you're using should provide debugging already or (b) you should use GCC anyway :) |
| 01:19.18 | DWSR | Can I do char FileName = strcat(...); and have it dynamically set to the length of the resulting string, or no? |
| 01:19.54 | Shirik | please wait DWSR, I'm compiling it with a real compiler |
| 01:19.59 | Shirik | so we'll really be able to see what's going on |
| 01:20.11 | DWSR | lol |
| 01:20.51 | foxlit | DWSR: the first argument to strcat is the destination pointer. |
| 01:21.54 | DWSR | Oh, I totally misunderstood how that works, then. |
| 01:22.12 | foxlit | In your case, that pointer points to an empty string in your program's read-only memory. |
| 01:22.25 | foxlit | It tries to append ".frt" to a read-only segment, it gets the boot. |
| 01:22.34 | Shirik | nice |
| 01:22.38 | Shirik | DWSR's code is neither C++ nor C |
| 01:22.59 | foxlit | How do you figure? |
| 01:23.07 | DWSR | Because his 'awesome' compiler tells him so. |
| 01:23.40 | Shirik | in C he declares variablesw in the middle of functions and in C++ he improperly uses pow() |
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| 01:23.59 | foxlit | C99 allows that, iirc. |
| 01:24.02 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:24.13 | Shirik | btw this line is wrong |
| 01:24.15 | Shirik | no matter what you're doing |
| 01:24.16 | DWSR | That I did look for. |
| 01:24.17 | Shirik | float q = (1 / params.n) * area * pow(rh, 2/3) * pow(params.s, 1/2); |
| 01:24.22 | Shirik | 2/3 and 1/2 are wrong |
| 01:24.23 | ccox | or including math.h so that it forces std:: for the math functions |
| 01:24.44 | ccox | yes, he's going to get integer results (truncated) there, not the fractions he expects |
| 01:24.55 | Cruga | Hey guys |
| 01:24.58 | DWSR | So should I do atof(2/3)? |
| 01:25.04 | amro | 2.0f/3.0f |
| 01:25.08 | DWSR | ah, k |
| 01:25.10 | amro | or 2.0/3.0 for doubles |
| 01:25.11 | Cruga | i have kind of a dumb question |
| 01:25.14 | theorbtwo | No. 2.0/3. |
| 01:25.21 | foxlit | Meh, just store the damn 0.666 |
| 01:25.29 | Cruga | anyone willing to help? |
| 01:25.37 | theorbtwo | Damn. Now I'm not sure -- promotion rules say that 3.0/3 is a float, or an int? |
| 01:25.46 | ccox | Cruga - just ask |
| 01:25.51 | theorbtwo | (Float would be sane, but there's this niggling in the back of my brain that says that C isn't sane.) |
| 01:25.51 | Cruga | Aight, |
| 01:25.56 | ccox | theorbtwo: it's a float |
| 01:26.03 | theorbtwo | ccox: Whew. |
| 01:26.03 | amro | it's a double actually |
| 01:26.06 | Cruga | How can I parse a hyperlink out of a chat message |
| 01:26.09 | ccox | always promote to the format with highest precision |
| 01:26.10 | Cruga | if that makes sense |
| 01:26.26 | Cruga | like how can i figure out the name of an enchant sent through chat |
| 01:26.30 | ccox | C is sane |
| 01:26.34 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 01:26.38 | theorbtwo | ccox: Whew. |
| 01:26.40 | ccox | C++ is sane, but takes a pretty twisted mind to understand it all |
| 01:26.56 | Shirik | 1>c:\users\mpdelbuono\documents\code\dwsr\dwsr\dwsr.cpp(197) : warning C4700: uninitialized local variable 'name' used |
| 01:26.58 | Shirik | That's intriguing |
| 01:27.06 | Cruga | Anyone? |
| 01:27.08 | Shirik | yes that is wrong |
| 01:27.24 | Shirik | char * name; |
| 01:27.24 | Shirik | if ( fgets(name, sizeof name, stdin) != NULL ) |
| 01:27.32 | Shirik | that is wrong in many ways :) |
| 01:27.43 | Cruga | arg1, the message that comes from the event prints it as a link, so |
| 01:27.46 | ccox | shirik - because the fgets can fail, there is a chance that it is uninitialized |
| 01:27.46 | DWSR | Yeah, I already changed that back to char name[200]; scanf("%s", name); |
| 01:27.52 | Cruga | i dunno how to break the link down |
| 01:27.53 | Shirik | ccox: It's wrong anyway |
| 01:27.59 | ccox | and yes, the fgets is wrong |
| 01:28.16 | ccox | way wrong |
| 01:28.44 | amro | why is the extension on that C++? |
| 01:28.47 | Cruga | you guys know how to do that? |
| 01:28.57 | Shirik | DWSR: How do I make it crash? |
| 01:29.10 | DWSR | Shirik: Apparently...looking at it the wrong way makes it crash. :P |
| 01:29.11 | DWSR | Second. |
| 01:29.12 | Cruga | ccox - any Ideas? |
| 01:29.17 | DWSR | Lemme pastey you an updated source. |
| 01:29.19 | Shirik | it's sitting at the menu for me |
| 01:29.29 | foxlit | Shirik: 1, then type stuff in |
| 01:29.34 | DWSR | http://codepad.org/oyPjOe1y |
| 01:29.42 | ccox | Cruga - if you have the full text from the chat, then you've got the information for the link, it's just formatted text |
| 01:29.43 | foxlit | you'll eventually get to the protection fault. |
| 01:29.55 | DWSR | It's sitting at the menu, waiting for you to....input something :o |
| 01:30.17 | ccox | Cruga - you just have to parse that link from the chat text by looking for the known formatting of a link |
| 01:30.47 | Cruga | I don't know the known formatting |
| 01:30.48 | Shirik | I am scared at DWSR's code |
| 01:30.54 | Shirik | he does not use pow consistently :( |
| 01:30.55 | amro | ^ |
| 01:31.12 | DWSR | I'm a horrible c coder. |
| 01:31.18 | ccox | Shirik - it's homework code, expect some mistakes |
| 01:31.21 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:31.28 | Shirik | yeah but my compiler won't even take it :) |
| 01:31.34 | Shirik | because C++ has many definitions for pow() |
| 01:31.36 | foxlit | VC? |
| 01:31.38 | Shirik | so it is ambiguous |
| 01:31.59 | Shirik | I blame C |
| 01:32.00 | Shirik | not him |
| 01:32.11 | foxlit | I blame C++, tbh. |
| 01:32.13 | Shirik | error C2664: 'strcat' : cannot convert parameter 1 from 'char' to 'char *' |
| 01:32.19 | Shirik | char fileName; |
| 01:32.19 | Shirik | strcat(fileName, ".frt"); |
| 01:32.47 | Shirik | does C really accept this? |
| 01:32.59 | theorbtwo | Shirik: "char foo" is just a single character. A string is char *foo, or char foo[42]. |
| 01:32.59 | amro | doubt it |
| 01:33.08 | Shirik | theorbtwo.... I know.... |
| 01:33.19 | foxlit | I'm sure it would at least look at you funny. |
| 01:33.47 | cbreak | it might work if you casted that char to a pointer... :) |
| 01:33.56 | cbreak | well... and when I say work, I mean compile |
| 01:34.18 | Shirik | DWSR ^ |
| 01:34.23 | Shirik | You need to fix that before I can proceed :) |
| 01:34.24 | foxlit | GCC will throw a warning fit, but it'll output an executable. |
| 01:34.29 | theorbtwo | Yeah, if you cast, the compiler assumes you know better then it. That's the point of casts. |
| 01:34.34 | DWSR | Shirik: Which line? |
| 01:34.41 | Shirik | 123 |
| 01:34.43 | DWSR | k |
| 01:34.47 | Shirik | there were other errors btw |
| 01:34.58 | DWSR | Of course there were. :P |
| 01:35.00 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:35.00 | DWSR | That's why I'm here. |
| 01:35.01 | Shirik | same problem |
| 01:35.15 | DWSR | what line? |
| 01:35.29 | Shirik | 123 |
| 01:35.59 | DWSR | what other line* |
| 01:36.13 | Shirik | it was the same problem |
| 01:36.21 | Shirik | different error from the same problem |
| 01:36.42 | DWSR | ah |
| 01:36.53 | DWSR | ok, so what exactly should I fix it to? |
| 01:36.56 | ccox | this program shouldn't compile under C or C++ |
| 01:37.20 | foxlit | ccox: Shirik stated that earlier; what are *your* objections? :) |
| 01:37.33 | ccox | looks like shirik has most of it |
| 01:37.44 | Shirik | DWSR: Well, char is one character |
| 01:37.47 | Shirik | a filename is not :) |
| 01:37.57 | foxlit | in-line variable definitions are part of c99; pow is fine in c. It should compile as C. :) |
| 01:38.25 | DWSR | Shirik: Right, so should I make it char *fileName; or char fileName[200];? |
| 01:38.39 | Shirik | both are valid, but using char* means you need to allocate memory |
| 01:38.53 | DWSR | right, I'll use the other then. |
| 01:39.12 | DWSR | After that, fileName = flowRateTable.name; strcat(fileName, ".frt");? |
| 01:39.25 | Shirik | debug assertion failed! |
| 01:39.40 | Shirik | if you do filename[200] then you can't do fileName = anything |
| 01:39.51 | DWSR | God damnit |
| 01:40.07 | Shirik | Debug assertion failed at line 157: fclose(fp); |
| 01:40.07 | cbreak | you can copy it bytewise :) |
| 01:40.14 | Shirik | Assert(fp != NULL) |
| 01:40.15 | foxlit | I'm beginning to wonder if the course this is homework for is all that well planned. |
| 01:40.15 | Shirik | failed |
| 01:40.25 | ccox | setFlowRateTableName - parses a name, returns a bool, but never sets the global name |
| 01:40.47 | theorbtwo | Hm. char fileName; strcat(filename, ".frt"). Where is the basename of filename supposed to come from? |
| 01:40.48 | cbreak | must be because globals are evil. |
| 01:40.56 | theorbtwo | (The case error is my fault, not yours, though.) |
| 01:41.02 | Shirik | theorbtwo: You ... were just talking to me about that |
| 01:41.41 | theorbtwo | I was talking to you about an error in your c before. Now I'm talking to you about an error in your data flow. |
| 01:43.07 | theorbtwo | I'd make filename a char*, compute what the final lenght will be, malloc up something that is long enough, strcpy the basename, and then strcat the extension on. |
| 01:43.26 | Shirik | not my C, and not my data flow... |
| 01:43.35 | DWSR | Nice catch ccox: Can I just add flowRateTable.name = name; or will that break something else? |
| 01:43.47 | Shirik | stop calling it my code! |
| 01:44.04 | ccox | that should work, assuming that is the name of your global table |
| 01:45.04 | Shirik | shudders at globals |
| 01:45.31 | ccox | now addFlowRateTable needs to use the global name, instead of using an uninitialized fileName |
| 01:45.35 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Oh! Context fail. |
| 01:46.05 | ccox | (concatenating .frt onto an empty string - you'll end up with invisible files most of the time :-) ) |
| 01:47.43 | foxlit | Anyhow, naptime. |
| 01:48.13 | DWSR | ccox: Why shouldn't I use fileName? |
| 01:48.26 | DWSR | fileName is temporary so that I can concat flowRateTable.name and .frt |
| 01:48.27 | ccox | because it is not initialized - it's empty |
| 01:48.42 | DWSR | ccox: Right, so how can I make it unempty? |
| 01:48.45 | ccox | but that's not what the code currently does |
| 01:49.12 | ccox | fileName = strcat( globalFlowRateTable.name, ".frt"); |
| 01:49.20 | ccox | you never involved the global name |
| 01:49.43 | ccox | err, sorry - hold that, thinking wrong API |
| 01:49.46 | DWSR | :P |
| 01:49.47 | theorbtwo | ccox: Careful, strcat doesn't work that way. |
| 01:49.52 | theorbtwo | Er, yeah, exactly. |
| 01:49.54 | DWSR | Yeah, that's what I thought strcat did, as well. |
| 01:50.04 | DWSR | which is entirely logical. |
| 01:50.07 | ccox | yeah, I've got too many languages open in editors right now |
| 01:50.14 | theorbtwo | strcat modifies it's left argument in place. |
| 01:50.31 | ccox | strcpy( fileName, global.name ); |
| 01:50.33 | Shirik | and then, entirely for the sake of confusion, returns the left argument |
| 01:50.39 | ccox | strcat ( fileName, ".frt"); |
| 01:51.00 | DWSR | this excercise makes me miss my PHP. |
| 01:51.07 | ccox | asuming that you allocated enough space in FileName to hold the global name plus extension and dot |
| 01:51.28 | DWSR | 200 chars ought to be enough space for any sane human being. |
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| 01:51.57 | foxlit | Take note: that line is the rationale behind many, many problems :) |
| 01:52.25 | ccox | but always check the arguments to make sure they don't overflow! |
| 01:53.22 | DWSR | ccox: I don't think the teacher expects such bullet proofing. |
| 01:53.30 | DWSR | So I really don't care to give it to him. |
| 01:53.41 | ccox | I'd do it anyway |
| 01:53.51 | ccox | better to develop good habits than practice bad ones |
| 01:54.25 | theorbtwo | There's a whole bunch of different ways to do it, depending on how much effort you want to pick in. |
| 01:54.50 | DWSR | ccox: Since this assignment is due in ~3h. |
| 01:54.57 | DWSR | ccox: I just want it to work. |
| 01:55.19 | ccox | in industry, that attitude gets you fired (or a job at Microsoft) |
| 01:55.22 | theorbtwo | You can pick an arbitrary number, and say that should be enough for anybody. You can find the constant that is defined to be enough for anybody, and use it. You can figure out how long the string should be, using strlen and adding in enough for the extension and the trailing NUL, and dynamicly allocate it. |
| 01:55.41 | Shirik | you really think that ccox? |
| 01:55.47 | theorbtwo | Worry about making it work, first. Then worry about best pratices. |
| 01:55.56 | Shirik | Everything I've read says that most (read: not high-level) software companies just care about it working |
| 01:56.04 | ccox | shirik - yep |
| 01:56.05 | Shirik | the daily wtf seems to cooberate that |
| 01:56.21 | ccox | Shirik: I've had to do the firing, and seen them get hired at, um, less principled companies |
| 01:56.21 | DWSR | OK |
| 01:56.33 | DWSR | Can we get back to the problem at hand, plz? |
| 01:56.46 | ccox | Shirik: I guess what you say could be true, depending on what companies you surveyed |
| 01:56.48 | theorbtwo | If you go for the first one, especially, use strncat and strncpy, instead of the n-less versions, though. |
| 01:56.59 | Shirik | ccox: These aren't companies I'VE surveyed |
| 01:57.13 | Shirik | the companies I've worked with rely very much on things like a solid development process, etc. |
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| 01:57.55 | theorbtwo | Real world arguments are a bit silly when you aren't coding for the real world. A better question is how much credit your teacher will slice off for things like picking arbitrary numbers for maximum length of a filename. |
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| 01:58.06 | DWSR | theorbtwo: He encourages it. |
| 01:58.13 | DWSR | theorbtwo: So, I would say probably <0. |
| 01:58.25 | DWSR | He's just like "Just pick a really big number" |
| 01:58.32 | theorbtwo | DWSR: Oh. That's a shame. I'd suggest finding a better teacher, but that's probably not very pratical. |
| 01:58.42 | DWSR | Pretty much. Back to the problem, please. |
| 01:58.46 | groaner | i havent used many wow addons but i did use two npcscan and recount which was forced on me by guild nazis |
| 01:59.22 | groaner | i wonder if someone will develop the one called enchantrix in the future |
| 01:59.51 | ccox | huh? |
| 02:00.08 | ccox | what do you mean "develop the one called enchantrix"? |
| 02:00.09 | DWSR | rofl |
| 02:00.24 | groaner | i saw an adon called enchantrix on curse.com but it was stated to be out of production by it;s author |
| 02:00.35 | DWSR | groaner: It's still around. Check auctioneer.org |
| 02:00.40 | ccox | enchantrix is part of the auctioneer suite, and very much in active development |
| 02:00.48 | DWSR | groaner: It's still around. Check auctioneeraddon.org |
| 02:01.00 | groaner | specifically he stated he will not continue to create new database files ..or something of that nature |
| 02:01.09 | ccox | (sounds like curse.com has a ghost copy for some reason) |
| 02:01.13 | Shirik | (20:57:54) (theorbtwo) Real world arguments are a bit silly when you aren't coding for the real world. A better question is how much credit your teacher will slice off for things like picking arbitrary numbers for maximum length of a filename. |
| 02:01.15 | groaner | oh maybe i saw an old page |
| 02:01.54 | Lopeppeppy | Their channel is #norganna, IIRC, check in there. |
| 02:01.54 | Shirik | I give my students very specific requirements |
| 02:02.03 | Shirik | There ain't none of that allowed ;) |
| 02:02.10 | Shirik | I WILL test every boundary |
| 02:02.13 | Shirik | I am cynical |
| 02:02.19 | Shirik | I HAVE given people 0s on finals |
| 02:02.24 | DWSR | Shirik: So excercise some cynicism on my code, plox. |
| 02:02.30 | DWSR | Shirik: Good for you? |
| 02:02.36 | DWSR | ~snack Shirik |
| 02:02.37 | purl | ACTION throws Shirik a doggy treat |
| 02:02.40 | Shirik | DWSR: I already added a comment |
| 02:02.41 | groaner | ok thanks |
| 02:02.44 | Shirik | Assertion failure |
| 02:02.44 | DWSR | Shirik: ? |
| 02:02.46 | Shirik | stream != NULL |
| 02:02.51 | ccox | Shirik - sounds like you abuse students similar to the way I do :-) |
| 02:02.54 | Shirik | Line 157: fclose(fp); |
| 02:03.05 | Shirik | fp was NULL and must not be |
| 02:03.07 | groaner | what are you a professor of cs shriek? |
| 02:03.25 | Shirik | not a professor, and software and electrical engineering (don't ask) |
| 02:04.16 | DWSR | Shirik: Ok, so change that to have an if statement in front. |
| 02:04.17 | DWSR | Next? |
| 02:04.20 | groaner | hm |
| 02:04.38 | Shirik | how did you fix the filename thing? |
| 02:04.46 | groaner | you have students as well ccox? |
| 02:05.10 | DWSR | Shirik: char fileName[200]; strcpy(flowRateTable.name, fileName); strcat(fileName, ".frt"); |
| 02:05.14 | ccox | sometimes, mostly grad students, or guest lecturing |
| 02:05.30 | ccox | strcpy arguments are backwards |
| 02:05.37 | groaner | oh the c language i think |
| 02:05.42 | Shirik | I think that's wrong still? |
| 02:05.53 | Shirik | strcpy's arguments are backwards? |
| 02:06.17 | ccox | you copied an uninitialized string into the global, instead of what you wanted |
| 02:06.27 | DWSR | indeed they are. |
| 02:06.43 | Shirik | though I wonder what the purpose of char fileName[] is for anyway |
| 02:06.48 | Shirik | oh I see nm |
| 02:07.03 | DWSR | Amazingly enough, I did it correctly in my source. |
| 02:07.18 | DWSR | I had strcpy(fileName, flowRateTable.name); |
| 02:07.29 | groaner | do you create wow ui's with c? |
| 02:07.40 | ccox | groaner: nope |
| 02:07.40 | amro | you don't |
| 02:07.41 | DWSR | no. |
| 02:07.48 | ccox | groaner: we're helping someone with his homework |
| 02:07.55 | groaner | oh |
| 02:08.12 | ccox | this channel just happens to have a lot of developers and geeks |
| 02:08.23 | groaner | oh ok |
| 02:08.28 | Lopeppeppy | who do their homework late on sunday night |
| 02:08.36 | Shirik | Now that I created the table |
| 02:08.39 | Shirik | how do I display it? |
| 02:08.41 | Shirik | I named it Hello |
| 02:08.54 | theorbtwo | DWSR: At least use strncpy and strncat instead of the n-less versions. Then you will just truncate instead of having a buffer overflow. Your teacher may not care, but it's good pratice anyway. |
| 02:09.48 | Shirik | I hate strncpy |
| 02:10.00 | Shirik | It promotes silent errors |
| 02:10.04 | Shirik | silent errors are bad |
| 02:10.09 | DWSR | Shirik: I haven't actually written the "write the table to a file" part yet. |
| 02:10.15 | Shirik | oh :) |
| 02:10.18 | Shirik | Well I can't get it to crash now |
| 02:10.21 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:10.24 | DWSR | That's good, I think. |
| 02:10.29 | DWSR | Have you tried displaying the current table (opt. 3)? |
| 02:10.35 | DWSR | And making sure that that's set to what you put in? |
| 02:10.48 | Shirik | I have no idea how to compute that |
| 02:10.51 | Shirik | so I assume it is |
| 02:10.56 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Eh, the normal version promotes silent errors too, they are just more insidious silent errors. |
| 02:11.00 | ccox | Shirik - if you think you may truncate with the strn functions, make sure you echo the results in the UI somewhere |
| 02:11.01 | Shirik | no |
| 02:11.14 | theorbtwo | I'd prefer a version that raoses an exception, but since C doesn't *have* exceptions... |
| 02:11.14 | Shirik | the normal versions promote someone to say "you're using those wrong!!!" |
| 02:11.21 | DWSR | Shirik: Does it at least look right? |
| 02:11.23 | Shirik | theorbtwo: strcpy_s :) |
| 02:11.26 | Shirik | rasises an assertion failure |
| 02:11.41 | theorbtwo | Hm. I don't have a manpage for that. |
| 02:11.43 | amro | oh god no |
| 02:11.46 | amro | not the _s functions |
| 02:11.57 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:11.58 | ccox | it's a Microsoft thing |
| 02:12.08 | ccox | :-P |
| 02:12.17 | DWSR | Shirik: Have you tried loading a file into memory? That crashes badly. |
| 02:12.32 | amro | yeah, and they're not drop in replacements |
| 02:12.43 | amro | so they're a PITA for cross platform code |
| 02:13.50 | DWSR | Shirik: Basically, the format of the .frt file is a TSV file with 10 numbers per line |
| 02:14.14 | DWSR | np: 001. Next on Air: Thusti & Buccaneer Bunch - Essential Things of Live 032 on AH.FM 02-12-2009 [REPLAY] [00:00m/192kbps/44kHz] |
| 02:14.20 | DWSR | huh |
| 02:14.25 | DWSR | Welfare epic trance, imo |
| 02:16.31 | groaner | welfare trance ? a kid with an enpty can of cool whip and a uzzy am radio |
| 02:17.35 | DWSR | rofl |
| 02:17.53 | DWSR | Shirik: Any help with loading a file into the program? |
| 02:18.01 | DWSR | Or has the C monster angered you? |
| 02:19.00 | groaner | maybe use fread i forget the syntax it involces a data structure, size and filename |
| 02:19.12 | groaner | maybe in that order |
| 02:19.43 | DWSR | Shirik: I was thinking strtok + fgets, but yeah. You can see how well my programming has worked thus far. |
| 02:21.39 | groaner | strtok i recall that function but it's mysterious to me because you call it repetitively and it has a memory of the token you made the delimiter i think |
| 02:23.25 | Shirik | scanf("%s", name); |
| 02:23.25 | Shirik | char *newline = strchr(name, '\n'); /* search for newline character */ |
| 02:23.25 | Shirik | if ( newline != NULL ) *newline = '\0'; /* overwrite trailing newline */ |
| 02:23.27 | Shirik | what is that? |
| 02:23.49 | DWSR | I have no idea. |
| 02:24.03 | DWSR | Me having some copypasta for lunch, I think |
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| 02:24.46 | Yssaril | is there anyway to hook a blizzard event or at least ensure that my addon is the first to receive the event? |
| 02:24.58 | DWSR | LAWL |
| 02:25.12 | DWSR | Was using the debugging features of my IDE and now the program is a zombie. |
| 02:25.17 | DWSR | nevermind. |
| 02:25.20 | DWSR | <.< |
| 02:26.30 | groaner | what's your addon called ,yssaril? |
| 02:26.58 | Yssaril | groaner: no idea yet :P |
| 02:28.23 | Arrowmaster | Yssaril: you can unregister every other frame registered to the event and reregister them like instanthealth did but its completely hacky and not recommended |
| 02:28.33 | Beladona | anyone know of a way to avoid the taint error on custom unit frames when clicking set focus? |
| 02:28.45 | Torhal | Beladona: One sec. |
| 02:28.51 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster: yikes |
| 02:29.05 | Arrowmaster | Yssaril: on every event call...... |
| 02:30.23 | TC-Away | why do i have 2GB of hardware reserved ram? |
| 02:31.43 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Can you even do that reliably? |
| 02:31.57 | groaner | does wow create a windows service that you can communicate with in order to create these UI's? |
| 02:32.01 | Arrowmaster | was instanthealth bug free? |
| 02:32.02 | DWSR | no |
| 02:32.08 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: I dunno, I never used it. |
| 02:32.12 | Arrowmaster | it wasnt |
| 02:32.19 | DWSR | Guess that answers that, then, eh? |
| 02:32.57 | Arrowmaster | it was mostly reliable but it was exploiting completely undocumented functionallity that was probably never intended |
| 02:33.37 | DWSR | Shirik: http://codepad.org/FkNgwUmr <- 131 is causing a segfault. Last thing, I promise. |
| 02:35.05 | amro | the flow rates are float |
| 02:35.11 | amro | should be %f not %s |
| 02:35.28 | ZorbaBeta | also turn your compiler warnings up, your compiler should be warning you about that mistake |
| 02:36.25 | DWSR | thanks amro |
| 02:37.19 | DWSR | Is there any way to make floats have less digits after the decimal? |
| 02:38.14 | amro | yes, google sprintf |
| 02:38.27 | amro | there's a whole load of things you can do with that format |
| 02:38.41 | ZorbaBeta | "printf format specifiers" is what I'd look for |
| 02:38.48 | amro | or that |
| 02:39.06 | DWSR | thanks. |
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| 02:46.09 | DWSR | http://codepad.org/FkNgwUmr <- 157 is being skipped completely. |
| 02:46.38 | DWSR | Or, more accurately, isn't producing the intended behaviour (i.e. waiting for input). |
| 02:50.04 | ZorbaBeta | scanf("%s") consumes input up to, but not including, the first whitespace. if you're hitting enter after that line, you'll end up with a \n waiting in the buffer. scanf("%c") consumes the first character, which, in this case, is almost guaranteed to be a whitespace. |
| 02:50.15 | ZorbaBeta | change i to scanf(" %c", etc) and it ought to work. |
| 02:50.18 | ZorbaBeta | *it |
| 02:50.59 | Iriel | Or just repeat the second scanf until the read character isn't whitespace |
| 02:51.02 | Iriel | which is more reliable |
| 02:51.13 | amro | http://www.gametrailers.com/video/angry-video-screwattack/59650 |
| 02:51.59 | ZorbaBeta | iriel, scanf(" %c") skips all whitespace, though |
| 02:52.23 | Iriel | Oh, so it does |
| 02:52.31 | Iriel | Teaches me to only STFM instead of RTFM |
| 02:55.13 | DWSR | Couldn't I just look for " %c\n"? |
| 02:55.54 | DWSR | Or, look for \n%c? |
| 02:57.48 | Iriel | That'll be equivalent to " %c" |
| 02:58.07 | DWSR | \n%c works |
| 02:58.13 | DWSR | But how do I compare the strings? |
| 02:58.21 | DWSR | I figured I could use strcmp, since strings are just char arrays, but no. |
| 02:58.24 | DWSR | Fuck you C. |
| 02:58.25 | DWSR | Fuck you |
| 02:58.35 | Iriel | %c isn't a string is it? |
| 02:58.40 | Iriel | It's a character |
| 02:58.58 | DWSR | Right. |
| 02:59.02 | DWSR | But strings are char arrays. |
| 02:59.04 | Iriel | so you'd do if (confirm == 'y') |
| 02:59.07 | DWSR | Oh, hey. |
| 02:59.13 | DWSR | Lookie there. Something that actually makes fucking sense. |
| 02:59.16 | Iriel | They're NUL terminated character arrays |
| 02:59.27 | groaner | strcmp looks for null terminated char arrays |
| 02:59.30 | amro | everything makes sense, you're just coming with different expectations |
| 03:00.03 | Iriel | You had a 1/256 chance of strcmp working 8-) |
| 03:00.13 | Iriel | (but it would have been wrong to use it regardless) |
| 03:00.30 | Iriel | You really should be checking the return code of scanf as well |
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| 03:00.32 | Iriel | (both times) |
| 03:01.24 | Iriel | And on line 151 you should specify that at most 199 characters can be read |
| 03:01.29 | ZorbaBeta | honestly there are a lot of reasons I don't use C, and there are a lot of reasons I don't use the most obvious C/C++ APIs for user interface |
| 03:01.36 | Iriel | Otherwise you're just a buffer overflow waiting to happen |
| 03:01.38 | ZorbaBeta | you are running into a lot of them right now |
| 03:02.06 | Iriel | What ZorbaBeta said 8-) |
| 03:02.07 | amro | C++ is completely different |
| 03:02.18 | DWSR | Iriel: It's homework. |
| 03:02.23 | DWSR | It's not meant to be good. |
| 03:02.26 | Iriel | C++ /can be/ completely different, if you use the right libraries. |
| 03:02.27 | DWSR | It's meant to show understanding. |
| 03:02.27 | ZorbaBeta | amro, eh. I find the standard C++ input APIs to be roughly as useful as the standard C input APIs |
| 03:02.45 | amro | ZorbaBeta: then they must be poorly designed C++ APIs :) |
| 03:02.49 | ZorbaBeta | namely, limited, and highly bugprone if you don't know what you're doing |
| 03:02.58 | ZorbaBeta | amro, I'm referring to cin>> |
| 03:03.01 | ZorbaBeta | "standard" means "standard" |
| 03:03.08 | amro | oh, didn't read |
| 03:03.38 | amro | and er |
| 03:03.42 | amro | why would you not know what you're doing? |
| 03:03.56 | ZorbaBeta | most people aren't experts in every single field |
| 03:04.24 | ZorbaBeta | the standard input APIs in both C and C++ seem reasonably straightforward, but are littered with landmines if you aren't actually expert in them. |
| 03:04.25 | amro | no, but cin is standard c++ 101 |
| 03:04.31 | ZorbaBeta | (as dwsr is noticing) |
| 03:04.42 | Jerub | tee hee. |
| 03:04.49 | ZorbaBeta | amro, very basic uses of cin are standard C++ 101 |
| 03:04.57 | Jerub | I think the first day I came here I had an argument about strcpy being a bug |
| 03:04.59 | ZorbaBeta | there are nonobvious gotchas. |
| 03:05.25 | ZorbaBeta | And generally, in school, you learn enough to make example programs that technically hold up as long as the user follows the usage instructions precisely. |
| 03:05.30 | ZorbaBeta | Not a lot more. |
| 03:05.38 | amro | I didn't learn programming at school |
| 03:05.41 | ZorbaBeta | (insert general insult as to the state of programming education) |
| 03:05.46 | amro | I have a very low opinion of programming courses |
| 03:05.51 | ZorbaBeta | (which is awful and deserves scorn) |
| 03:05.59 | Jerub | I taught myself programming at the same time as getting my degree. |
| 03:06.27 | Iriel | I came to C from assembly, an dont have quite the same 'full of pitfalls' perspective, it has fewer than raw assembly - but you do have to be careful. |
| 03:07.13 | Jerub | Iriel: the thing with C is that you have pitfalls if you trust that a function does what the api seems to have intended it to do. |
| 03:07.18 | ZorbaBeta | amro, well, here's an example of a common pitfall - int q; do { cout << "enter the number 3" << endl; cin >> q; } while(q != 3); // what's wrong with this? |
| 03:07.34 | Iriel | Jerub: I think it's more that you have pitfalls if you assume a function does MORE than it says it will do |
| 03:07.49 | amro | ZorbaBeta: it could blow up in your face if they input a number |
| 03:07.52 | Iriel | Jerub: if you assume it'll do EXACTLY what it says it will do (and no more) you do ok |
| 03:07.54 | amro | if they don't* |
| 03:07.59 | ZorbaBeta | I've seen people get tripped up by that one *all the time*, because virtually no introductory text explains it and you only find it in documentation if you already know what you're looking for. |
| 03:08.24 | ZorbaBeta | so eventually someone types "a" and, as you mention, it infinite-loops forever. |
| 03:08.39 | Jerub | Iriel: well, there's a diffference between 'what a function was intended to be used for' and 'how to perform that operation correctly' and it's a matter of intent vs actual documented behaviour. |
| 03:08.41 | amro | yeah, it tripped me up, I looked it up, and 5 minutes later I had code that worked. *shrug* |
| 03:08.43 | ZorbaBeta | and on top of that the method of recovering from it isn't entirely obvious either :P |
| 03:08.43 | Jerub | like: |
| 03:08.59 | Jerub | char foo[1024] ; strcnpy(foo, bar, 1024); |
| 03:09.15 | amro | it also taught me to never trust input, and check it |
| 03:09.15 | Jerub | looks obvious, but it may result in an unterminated string |
| 03:09.17 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, strncpy is a great example of a function with subtle evil behavior |
| 03:09.33 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: for me who is not very C++ versed, could you tell the solution and say what's wrong with the example you gave? |
| 03:10.18 | Iriel | Jerub: I agree that THAT one is not particularly friendly. I'd go as far as to say downright dangerous. |
| 03:10.51 | Iriel | idles. |
| 03:11.38 | amro | ZorbaBeta: I haven't written anything that takes extensive commandline input, but I always cin to a string |
| 03:11.44 | amro | then parse it |
| 03:12.37 | amro | as for files, I use .read() rather than operator>> |
| 03:12.53 | Jerub | Iriel: The last time I had a discussion on this topic at my lug, a professional programmer with 15+ years experience quietly swore to himself because he'd been using the function wrong for over a decade. |
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| 03:16.07 | Thunder_Child | test |
| 03:16.11 | TC-Test | test |
| 03:16.29 | Cairenn | we need another bot in here ... why? |
| 03:16.46 | Thunder_Child | it isnt, i'm testing out a different irc client |
| 03:16.58 | Cairenn | ah, okay |
| 03:17.04 | Thunder_Child | silly Cairenn |
| 03:17.09 | Cairenn | frequently |
| 03:17.27 | Thunder_Child | only on days ending with the letter y i am sure |
| 03:17.33 | Cairenn | nod |
| 03:17.36 | DWSR | Shirik et al. thank you so much |
| 03:18.05 | Shirik | we don't have enough bots |
| 03:18.08 | Shirik | let me help |
| 03:18.16 | Shirik | !quote NICK Shiiibot |
| 03:18.17 | batbot | Shirik, nick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 03:18.24 | Lopeppeppy | shoots Shirik in the foot. |
| 03:18.37 | Thunder_Child | ii to iii? |
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| 03:19.00 | Shirik | oh god I have no way of controlling them individually |
| 03:19.08 | Thunder_Child | *snicker* |
| 03:19.21 | Shirik | This should be interesting |
| 03:19.26 | Shirik | !quote NICK Shiiiibot |
| 03:19.26 | batbot | Shirik, nick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 03:19.57 | Shirik | ok I'll stop before freenode klines me |
| 03:19.57 | Shirik | !quit |
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| 03:22.06 | Thunder_Child | test again |
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| 03:29.54 | Shirik | destroys Thunder_Child |
| 03:30.09 | Thunder_Child | that was helpful, ty Shirik |
| 03:30.12 | Shirik | np |
| 03:32.44 | Thunder_Child | so this quassel irc program is rather nifty |
| 03:34.48 | amro | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Who-Knows-Code.aspx |
| 03:34.49 | Shirik | not nifty enough? |
| 03:34.50 | amro | *gulp* |
| 03:35.02 | Thunder_Child | huh Shirik? |
| 03:35.14 | Shirik | (22:33:39)  -⺠Quit: TC-Test (n=quassel@cpe-76-171-31-86.socal.res.rr.com) (Remote closed the connection) |
| 03:35.26 | Thunder_Child | i had 2 open from some reason |
| 03:35.34 | Thunder_Child | for* |
| 03:36.30 | Shirik | that is epic amro |
| 03:36.58 | Shirik | however I have to echo the comment |
| 03:38.51 | Thunder_Child | echos Shirik |
| 03:38.59 | Shirik | echo echo echo |
| 03:39.06 | Shirik | @echo off |
| 03:39.07 | Repo | off |
| 03:39.10 | Shirik | ! |
| 03:39.25 | Shirik | @echo @echo echo |
| 03:39.26 | Repo | @echo echo |
| 03:39.35 | Thunder_Child | @echo lol @ Shirik |
| 03:39.35 | Repo | lol @ Shirik |
| 03:39.40 | Thunder_Child | ^_^ |
| 03:39.43 | Shirik | @echo \nQUIT :Goodbye |
| 03:39.43 | Repo | \nQUIT :Goodbye |
| 03:39.45 | Shirik | aw ( |
| 03:39.46 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:57.26 | amro | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Trust_me,_It_0x27_s_Easier_This_Way.aspx |
| 03:58.50 | Thunder_Child | è©¦é¨ |
| 03:58.57 | Thunder_Child | awesome |
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| 04:01.14 | Thunder_Child | stabs blizzard |
| 04:01.34 | Thunder_Child | you do not have music playing on an installer if you have no control over it |
| 04:03.13 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 04:03.17 | bluspacecow | TC what you do ? |
| 04:05.06 | Thunder_Child | bluspacecow: huh? |
| 04:05.18 | bluspacecow | what you installing :) |
| 04:05.47 | Thunder_Child | wow, i was copying it from HD to HD when windows crashed |
| 04:05.50 | Thunder_Child | new install for me |
| 04:06.07 | bluspacecow | oh dear |
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| 04:24.42 | Shirik | @echo \0 |
| 04:24.46 | Repo | \0 |
| 04:26.22 | Shirik | @echo ããã«ã¡ã |
| 04:26.23 | Repo | ããã«ã¡ã |
| 04:26.28 | Shirik | ooo unicode support |
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| 05:27.25 | Beladona | znyone know where nevcairiel keeps the github copy of BT4? |
| 05:28.55 | Bruners | is that a trick question or did you just type it wrong ?:P |
| 05:29.28 | Bruners | i would guess he keeps his github copy on github :P |
| 05:29.38 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 05:31.05 | Cairenn | o.O Beladona |
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| 05:34.03 | VonhintenHOME` | Name of well-written, light-weight addon that let's me sell crap items from inventory? |
| 05:34.21 | VonhintenHOME` | like "Sell all Misc" in Aion |
| 05:34.38 | Bruners | http://github.com/Industrial/idSellGreyItems |
| 05:34.49 | DWSR | AutoProfitX. |
| 05:35.00 | DWSR | Available on Curse. |
| 05:39.21 | Bruners | why arent all authors on IRC |
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| 05:40.19 | DWSR | Because the ones that aren't are mentally challenged. |
| 05:44.25 | Beladona | Bruners, it isn't on github. I meant to say git repo, but anyway |
| 05:44.36 | Beladona | was trying to find his git repo |
| 05:44.46 | Bruners | Beladona: wowace ? |
| 05:45.05 | Bruners | http://www.wowace.com/addons/bartender4/repositories/ |
| 05:45.16 | Beladona | figured that part out, but mainline is the same as 4.4.1; Trying to find his 3.3 branch |
| 05:45.58 | Bruners | i would guess he has removed the 3.3 branch as its no longer developed ? |
| 05:46.17 | Beladona | patch 3.3? |
| 05:46.20 | Beladona | .... |
| 05:46.32 | Bruners | aha :) |
| 05:46.51 | Bruners | i was thinking bartender3 :D |
| 05:47.04 | Beladona | he said earlier in irc that he had a copy on git with the 3.3 changes to fix things, but that is what I can't find =P |
| 05:48.08 | Beladona | ahh well. There is always tomorrow. I gotta go to bed so I can get up for work =P |
| 05:48.30 | Bruners | he should be sleeping now or waking up any minute now tho |
| 05:48.50 | Bruners | if i remember it correctly he is german |
| 05:49.21 | Beladona | I left him a msg. I imagine he will get to it when he can |
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| 05:50.12 | DWSR | Wonder when he's going to add the "make bars have as many buttons as you like" feature to BT4. |
| 05:51.54 | airtonix | beard |
| 05:53.42 | DWSR | np: 001. On Air: Danny Powers presents nu - depth Sessions 009 on AH.FM 06-12-2009 [REPLAY] [00:00m/192kbps/44kHz] |
| 05:53.46 | DWSR | This is ilvl 245 trance |
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| 05:57.37 | Shirik | ilvl 245 trance? |
| 05:57.42 | Shirik | Well ilvl 252 is DJ Tiesto |
| 05:57.50 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 05:57.51 | kd3 | eesh |
| 05:57.56 | kd3 | I haven't listened to tiesto in years |
| 05:57.57 | DWSR | Titso is like ilvl 213. |
| 05:58.01 | kd3 | he's still at it? |
| 05:58.02 | Shirik | no fu |
| 05:58.05 | Shirik | he is a god |
| 05:58.09 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 05:58.10 | kd3 | no |
| 05:58.13 | Shirik | YES! |
| 05:58.33 | amro | I guess if you munch enough pills, anything sounds good |
| 05:59.07 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcrN06Oo4so |
| 05:59.09 | Shirik | How can you not like this |
| 05:59.16 | Shirik | YOU CAN'T |
| 05:59.44 | amro | yes, I can't like it |
| 05:59.53 | Shirik | you can't not like it |
| 05:59.57 | Bruners | was at a tiesto consert this year so he is still active :P |
| 06:00.07 | Shirik | if you don't like it, that means you are a COMMUNIST |
| 06:00.28 | Shirik | though this music video is a bit strange |
| 06:00.31 | Shirik | the song doesn't start until like 1:10 |
| 06:00.39 | Shirik | too much lead in |
| 06:01.01 | amro | I'm way pas 1:10 |
| 06:01.06 | amro | I still don't hear anything resembling a song |
| 06:01.08 | DWSR | Shirik: I will agree that he *was* good. |
| 06:01.11 | DWSR | Hence why he's 213. |
| 06:01.20 | DWSR | He hasn't had a decent tune in years |
| 06:01.25 | Shirik | I will agree with that |
| 06:01.26 | Shirik | however |
| 06:01.27 | DWSR | He was top, now he's been superceded. |
| 06:01.31 | Shirik | nothing has exceeded those songs |
| 06:01.51 | amro | it's hard to exceed that amount of repetitiveness |
| 06:02.17 | Shirik | this is by far my favorite song |
| 06:02.26 | Shirik | partially because it's based off another really great song |
| 06:02.45 | amro | I'm sorry to hear that Shirik |
| 06:02.53 | Shirik | you can DIE |
| 06:02.53 | Shirik | NOW |
| 06:02.53 | Shirik | TY |
| 06:03.07 | Shirik | what do you want me to say? Sandstorm like every other club wannabe? |
| 06:03.29 | DWSR | No. |
| 06:03.34 | DWSR | Markus Schulz, kthx. |
| 06:03.35 | amro | I wouldn't say it's so bad it sounds like a sandstorm |
| 06:03.37 | amro | but it's bad |
| 06:03.40 | DWSR | Get dark and twisted. |
| 06:03.53 | DWSR | Titso is just..old. |
| 06:03.59 | DWSR | That's all. I still appreciate what he did for the trance scene. |
| 06:06.30 | Bruners | amro: what music do you like then ? |
| 06:06.49 | amro | all sorts, as long as it doesn't milk every beat for a full minute before moving on |
| 06:07.10 | amro | I would probably like trance if it was compressed |
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| 06:09.32 | amro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTFUhdd0ztA I forgot how awesome this is |
| 06:10.23 | DWSR | amro: Trance if it was compressed? |
| 06:10.28 | DWSR | lol, wtf do you think the kick drum is? |
| 06:10.39 | amro | wha? |
| 06:10.53 | DWSR | Oh, nevermind. |
| 06:10.58 | DWSR | You're talking about a radio edit. |
| 06:11.03 | DWSR | I'm talking about an actual audio compressor. |
| 06:11.07 | amro | oh |
| 06:12.14 | Shirik | listening amro |
| 06:12.18 | Shirik | if this is not good, I will destroy you |
| 06:12.38 | amro | well if you understand it, and know anything about world cup 2006 it's hilarious |
| 06:12.42 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:12.46 | Shirik | what the fuck is this |
| 06:12.49 | DWSR | It's quite humourous, but not trance at all. |
| 06:12.52 | amro | coup de boule! |
| 06:12.55 | DWSR | Shirik: do you listen to the essential mix? |
| 06:13.00 | Bruners | Shirik: i guess its the music choice of amro |
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| 06:13.06 | amro | it's not oO |
| 06:13.14 | amro | it's just funny |
| 06:13.16 | Shirik | That's what I thought it was |
| 06:13.19 | Bruners | since that is so much better than tiesto :P |
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| 06:13.30 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:13.37 | DWSR | Shirik: do you listen to the essential mix? |
| 06:13.39 | amro | the lyrics are epic |
| 06:13.42 | Shirik | nope |
| 06:13.42 | DWSR | And if you say no, I'm going to kill you |
| 06:13.44 | DWSR | omg. |
| 06:13.46 | DWSR | ~kill Shirik |
| 06:14.03 | purl | ACTION shoots a charged electron gun at Shirik |
| 06:14.03 | Shirik | I can't understand french that quickly, amro |
| 06:14.03 | DWSR | Shirik: You said you like Trance, yes? |
| 06:14.04 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:14.04 | Shirik | he said 1 2 3! |
| 06:14.04 | Shirik | I go that |
| 06:14.08 | DWSR | rofl purl |
| 06:14.21 | kd3 | lol |
| 06:14.32 | DWSR | SHIRIK |
| 06:14.36 | Shirik | DWSR |
| 06:14.42 | Shirik | wait |
| 06:14.43 | DWSR | Markus Schulz, Essential Mix. |
| 06:14.44 | Shirik | that's not as fun |
| 06:14.45 | DWSR | I will upload a copy. |
| 06:14.48 | DWSR | You will listen. |
| 06:14.48 | Shirik | your name is already in caps |
| 06:14.51 | DWSR | Exactly. |
| 06:14.51 | Shirik | how do I caps your name |
| 06:14.54 | Shirik | make it all lowercase? |
| 06:14.56 | DWSR | indeed. |
| 06:14.58 | Shirik | make it bold |
| 06:15.00 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-c] by Shirik |
| 06:15.00 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+c] by ChanServ |
| 06:15.03 | Shirik | FUCK YOU CHANSERV |
| 06:15.03 | DWSR | hahaha |
| 06:15.16 | Shirik | ChanServ #wowuidev User is immune from kick/deop |
| 06:15.20 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:15.23 | DWSR | He's u:line. |
| 06:15.27 | DWSR | Silly shirik. |
| 06:16.19 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-c] by ChanServ |
| 06:16.26 | Shirik | DWSR |
| 06:16.30 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+c] by ChanServ |
| 06:16.32 | Shirik | I win |
| 06:16.32 | DWSR | Shirik. |
| 06:16.47 | Shirik | I had to look up the command t odo that lol |
| 06:16.48 | DWSR | I'm upping Markus Schulz' EM to Sendspace. |
| 06:16.50 | DWSR | You will love it. |
| 06:16.53 | Shirik | what is sendspace |
| 06:17.03 | DWSR | filehost. |
| 06:17.18 | DWSR | omg, this is going at 40kbps. |
| 06:17.19 | DWSR | Fuck that. |
| 06:17.30 | Shirik | l2sdsl |
| 06:17.36 | DWSR | I'm on cable. |
| 06:17.45 | Shirik | l2notsuckycable |
| 06:17.46 | DWSR | I'm also on wireless. |
| 06:17.47 | Shirik | you're on comcast aren't you |
| 06:17.55 | Shirik | My wireless connection is faster than my wired connection |
| 06:18.01 | DWSR | no. |
| 06:18.06 | DWSR | I'm just far from the router. |
| 06:18.09 | DWSR | Single's not great. |
| 06:18.18 | DWSR | signal* |
| 06:18.23 | DWSR | Also, I'm already streaming some ilvl 245 trance. |
| 06:18.25 | Shirik | my desktop is capped when it downloads stuff |
| 06:18.29 | Shirik | and my laptop downloads faster |
| 06:18.41 | DWSR | But markus schulz is ilvl 258 |
| 06:18.45 | Shirik | no |
| 06:18.50 | Shirik | then tiesto is ilvl 300 |
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| 06:18.53 | Shirik | n shit |
| 06:18.59 | DWSR | definitely not. |
| 06:19.01 | DWSR | Not new enough |
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| 06:19.13 | Shirik | y u leave Bruners :( |
| 06:19.27 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:19.28 | Bruners | someone kicked me! |
| 06:19.42 | DWSR | Anyway Shirik. |
| 06:19.47 | DWSR | 30 minutes and it'll be yours for the downloading. |
| 06:19.52 | Shirik | Happy nation |
| 06:19.55 | Shirik | living in a happy nation |
| 06:20.05 | DWSR | It might as well be Val'anyr. |
| 06:20.16 | Shirik | for the people for the good of mankind and brotherhood |
| 06:20.19 | DWSR | Shit's OP. Healing your eardrums for 2k a tick. |
| 06:20.31 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMfVFAK5Qc |
| 06:20.35 | Shirik | actually |
| 06:20.36 | Shirik | better song |
| 06:20.47 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myIGDXgnlk8 |
| 06:21.00 | Shirik | actually I like the acoustic version better |
| 06:21.02 | Bruners | ace of base was the good tier back in the day |
| 06:21.03 | Shirik | let's see if I can find it |
| 06:21.06 | DWSR | ace of Base ROFL |
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| 06:21.12 | DWSR | Love thats hit. |
| 06:21.19 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iRMoTjrDnM |
| 06:21.31 | Shirik | wow that's good quality |
| 06:21.38 | amro | are you getting these from a time machine Shirik? |
| 06:21.47 | Shirik | I'm getting them from pandora |
| 06:21.54 | Shirik | pandora is so tuned into me I think we mind melded |
| 06:22.00 | amro | ace of base, I haven't heard that in so long |
| 06:22.06 | Shirik | <3 ace of base |
| 06:22.17 | Shirik | wanna hear something older? |
| 06:22.17 | amro | yeah they're good |
| 06:23.05 | amro | sure |
| 06:24.42 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIofjQHBdE4 |
| 06:24.44 | amro | just don't dial the machine back to anything pre-MJ, I probably won't recognize it |
| 06:25.05 | DWSR | HOW CAN YOU SIT THERE WATCHING SOMEONE ELSE |
| 06:25.06 | DWSR | np: Markus Schulz - Essential Mix (06.12.2008) [119:33m/192kbps/44kHz] |
| 06:25.10 | DWSR | ilvl 258. |
| 06:25.34 | Shirik | or maybe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI5xme5k5AQ&feature=fvw |
| 06:25.40 | Shirik | I don't think I can go much further back |
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| 06:28.42 | Shirik | cmon amro |
| 06:28.47 | Shirik | I know you have some 10 year old songs you love |
| 06:29.51 | amro | Shirik: hm, I never even heard of seal |
| 06:29.56 | Shirik | WHAT |
| 06:29.58 | Shirik | Cairenn |
| 06:30.05 | Shirik | do you hear this blasphemy? |
| 06:30.07 | Thunder_Child | i bet you have |
| 06:30.11 | Thunder_Child | you just dont know it |
| 06:30.11 | Shirik | am I really that old? |
| 06:30.24 | amro | it's not that |
| 06:30.26 | amro | he just wasn't popular over here |
| 06:30.43 | Thunder_Child | amro: you have prolly heard kiss from a rose |
| 06:31.02 | amro | if I have, I don't recall |
| 06:33.41 | amro | dialing back from the 90s gives me MJ, MJ, and some more MJ |
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| 06:46.39 | kd3 | seal? |
| 06:46.40 | kd3 | <3 |
| 06:46.50 | kd3 | looks for that cd |
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| 06:50.38 | Xzibit | hello |
| 06:51.05 | Xzibit | anyone have a blp viewer? |
| 06:51.42 | kd3 | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14110-BLPConverter.html |
| 06:52.02 | kd3 | googling for "blp converter" should turn up other useful results |
| 06:52.18 | Xzibit | it hasnt been |
| 06:52.22 | Xzibit | and that link wont work :/ |
| 06:52.38 | Xzibit | nvm there we go |
| 06:57.36 | Shirik | ok I think I have done something nobody else has done before |
| 06:57.48 | Shirik | I pulled a muscle while sneezing |
| 06:57.53 | Thunder_Child | it's been done |
| 06:57.57 | Shirik | IT HURTS |
| 06:57.58 | Shirik | omg |
| 06:58.08 | kd3 | wahaha, fail. the armory doesn't have a sane world item drop checker |
| 06:58.13 | kd3 | http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=39152 |
| 06:58.45 | Kraps | the batman game is so cool |
| 06:59.10 | Kraps | scarecrows brainfucks are the best parts so far |
| 06:59.14 | Thunder_Child | no, no it is not |
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| 07:00.16 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: nou |
| 07:00.40 | Xzibit | the best part id say is the end when ... |
| 07:00.43 | Xzibit | kidzing |
| 07:01.07 | Kraps | hey now :) |
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| 07:06.39 | DWSR | \Shirik |
| 07:06.43 | DWSR | Shirik: http://is.gd/5eFQF |
| 07:08.06 | Kraps | http://translationparty.com/tp/#5560977 |
| 07:08.44 | DWSR | Kraps: lol |
| 07:21.52 | DWSR | SHIRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIK |
| 07:23.11 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it will ping him |
| 07:27.20 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
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| 07:27.36 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 07:27.40 | Fisker | you can't work now |
| 07:28.04 | Thunder_Child | licks Fisker |
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| 07:28.35 | Fisker | maaaaaaaaa |
| 07:28.35 | Fisker | n |
| 07:30.10 | DWSR | SHIRIK!!! :( |
| 07:32.20 | Fisker | if you say Shirik 3 times he'll come |
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| 07:32.36 | DWSR | ewww |
| 07:32.39 | Thunder_Child | Shirik Shirik Fisker |
| 07:32.58 | Fisker | naw |
| 07:33.07 | DWSR | duck duck oyster |
| 07:33.17 | Fisker | naaaaaaaaaw maaaaan |
| 07:34.02 | Shirik | WHAT DO YOU WANT DWSR |
| 07:34.10 | DWSR | LINK NEGRO\ |
| 07:34.20 | DWSR | GET YO 258/ |
| 07:34.33 | DWSR | http://is.gd/5eFQF |
| 07:34.39 | Shirik | not while in arena |
| 07:37.49 | Fisker | reported for copyright infringement |
| 07:37.51 | Fisker | dawg |
| 07:40.24 | DWSR | yo dawg, I heard you like copyright infringement |
| 07:40.31 | Fisker | i do |
| 07:40.35 | DWSR | And actually, it's not copyright infringement. |
| 07:40.53 | Fisker | it's enough so that i can extort you |
| 07:40.59 | DWSR | No you can't. |
| 07:41.07 | Fisker | yes i can |
| 07:41.11 | DWSR | No you can't. |
| 07:41.51 | Fisker | yes i can |
| 07:42.05 | DWSR | No you can't. |
| 07:42.12 | Fisker | yes i can |
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| 07:42.23 | smcn | this isn't an argument it's contradictory! |
| 07:42.35 | Thunder_Child | no it isnt :p |
| 07:42.50 | Fisker | i didn't call it an argument! |
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| 07:45.51 | Fisker | halp Shirik |
| 07:46.03 | Fisker | the evil man is pinging us |
| 07:47.33 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:48.23 | Shirik | what is this mp3 crap DWSR |
| 07:49.00 | DWSR | Shirik: Because capping from DAB is FLAC worthy. |
| 07:49.09 | Shirik | yup |
| 07:49.21 | Shirik | Ratness can I help you or should I just send you on your way? |
| 07:49.31 | DWSR | send him. |
| 07:49.35 | DWSR | He pinged the whole channel. |
| 07:50.47 | krka | hmm... i am not sure i see the problem with pinging the channel, but i'm sure there is one if you think there is |
| 07:51.00 | Shirik | Why is +C not a valid mode char |
| 07:51.10 | Shirik | krka: I wasn't sure if he did it individually or channel |
| 07:51.24 | krka | it's too close to C++, which isn't a valid anything |
| 07:52.04 | DWSR | lol, |
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| 07:54.41 | Fisker | wplease do it Shirik |
| 07:54.42 | Fisker | pleeeeeease |
| 07:55.24 | Shirik | stabs krka |
| 07:55.42 | krka | the truth hurts Shirik :( |
| 07:56.13 | Ratness | what no |
| 07:56.20 | Ratness | i am in other channel atm |
| 07:58.18 | Shirik | what no? |
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| 07:59.20 | Ratness | er nothing |
| 07:59.40 | Thunder_Child | whats your rating at Shirik? |
| 07:59.46 | Shirik | arena? |
| 07:59.50 | Fisker | 1 |
| 07:59.59 | Shirik | It was 1950ish |
| 07:59.59 | Thunder_Child | no, in life...yes in arena |
| 08:00.07 | Shirik | then my team broke up |
| 08:00.14 | Shirik | and now we're 15something because we started about 2 hours ago |
| 08:00.19 | Fisker | what's your irl rating then Shirik? :o |
| 08:00.21 | Shirik | 1526 |
| 08:00.25 | Shirik | Fisker: over 9000 |
| 08:00.43 | Fisker | that's almost as high as my sickrating |
| 08:00.45 | DWSR | nn all |
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| 08:03.45 | Fisker | the wow client doesn't know if someone added you to their friendslist right? |
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| 08:04.17 | Fisker | and i meant at all, not just in an exposed to the api, etc. |
| 08:05.35 | Bruners | Fisker: don't think so no |
| 08:08.26 | Shirik | is not a friend of Fisker |
| 08:08.42 | Fisker | indeed |
| 08:09.34 | Shirik | ~weather KDAB |
| 08:09.44 | Cairenn | oh hush |
| 08:09.53 | Cairenn | ~lart Shirik |
| 08:09.53 | purl | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays Shirik in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 08:10.06 | Shirik | Wind: Calm |
| 08:10.06 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 08:10.12 | Shirik | I think 15mph is calm here or something |
| 08:10.16 | Shirik | must be relative |
| 08:10.26 | Cairenn | regardless |
| 08:10.27 | Cairenn | hush |
| 08:10.29 | Cairenn | :p |
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| 08:11.16 | Shirik | hm |
| 08:11.22 | Shirik | Repo has a fun DoS vulnerability |
| 08:24.46 | Shirik | wtf is this crap DWSR linked me |
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| 08:32.55 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/funny-pictures-anime-cat-loves-you.jpg |
| 08:33.03 | Cairenn | yeah, saw that, is cute |
| 08:43.32 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk |
| 08:43.38 | Shirik | you are a mother you should know these things |
| 08:43.45 | Shirik | come back :( |
| 08:44.09 | Shirik | bah |
| 08:44.15 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk fails me |
| 08:49.36 | Bruners | http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m177/Soulofsin/WoWScrnShot_120409_132722.jpg wat |
| 08:57.27 | Shirik | rofl |
| 08:57.28 | Shirik | win |
| 08:58.27 | Shirik | Anyway |
| 08:58.35 | Shirik | is 96F a "low" body temperature? |
| 08:58.41 | Shirik | I guess it's closer to 96.5 |
| 08:59.00 | Bruners | i would say yes |
| 08:59.08 | Bruners | but depends where its taken |
| 08:59.18 | Cide- | yes, it's low |
| 08:59.27 | Shirik | is it too low? |
| 08:59.40 | Cide- | nah |
| 08:59.42 | Shirik | my body is so messed up |
| 08:59.43 | Bruners | only one celsius to low |
| 08:59.46 | bleeter | mmm bacon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRGz9xSP_SA |
| 08:59.48 | Shirik | ThursdayI was at 101F |
| 08:59.53 | Shirik | today I'm showing 96.5F |
| 09:00.08 | Cide- | it's not too low |
| 09:00.08 | Cide- | but it's low |
| 09:00.25 | Bruners | you should be at like 98F |
| 09:00.33 | Cide- | hey, you're normal on average. |
| 09:00.50 | Bruners | but why are you taking your temp ? |
| 09:00.59 | Shirik | on Thursday I was sick |
| 09:01.12 | Shirik | Saturday I was ok but now I'm feeling a bit under the weather again |
| 09:01.13 | Cide- | did I mention I hate php? |
| 09:01.14 | Thunder_Child | heh, i thought we were talking about comp temp |
| 09:01.28 | Shirik | Thunder_Child... |
| 09:01.40 | Thunder_Child | i missed the first part |
| 09:01.42 | Bruners | i never check my temp when im sick |
| 09:01.48 | Bruners | if im sick i am sick and done with that |
| 09:01.55 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:02.21 | Thunder_Child | yes but sick @ 101 and 104 is a dangerous difference |
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| 09:02.31 | Thunder_Child | one is fever the other is hospital |
| 09:02.49 | Bruners | 40C isnt hospital |
| 09:03.23 | Shirik | 40C is 100 isn't it? |
| 09:03.27 | Bruners | 104 |
| 09:03.39 | Shirik | lua> (104 - 32) * 5/9 |
| 09:03.50 | lua_bot | Shirik: 40 |
| 09:03.57 | Shirik | 104 is pretty damn high |
| 09:04.35 | Bruners | its time to call the doctor if it doesnt go down with meds yes |
| 09:04.47 | Shirik | mmm I would go to the hospital at that point if it were me |
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| 09:07.01 | Bruners | acording to norwegian healthinformation something the dangerous limit is 41C |
| 09:07.32 | Bruners | and thats for kids :P |
| 09:08.12 | Bruners | 37.1C in your butt, 36.6 in the ear and 36.4 in the mouth is the "normal" |
| 09:09.05 | Fisker | i'm 37c in your butt Bruners |
| 09:09.05 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 09:10.26 | Bruners | it also says that checking in your armpit is not valid |
| 09:10.38 | Bruners | should be avoided |
| 09:10.44 | Wobin | 40 or 100F tends to be emergency room |
| 09:11.12 | Wobin | or at least the "This really isn't good, be prepared to go" |
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| 09:11.15 | Wobin | point |
| 09:12.03 | Shirik | 100F? |
| 09:12.18 | Shirik | 100F is my limit for "ok, I'm really sick" but not emergency room |
| 09:12.41 | Dagmar | Bruners: At 41C you'd _damn well better_ be looking into some medical care |
| 09:13.01 | krka | I draw the line at 314 K |
| 09:13.12 | Dagmar | Hallucinations start happening at just above that point, and people can _not_ be left alone safely, or allowed to sleep |
| 09:13.13 | Wobin | I tend to melt at 314K |
| 09:13.16 | Bruners | Dagmar: thats what i said, above 41 is when it starts to be dangerous |
| 09:13.17 | Wobin | dunno about you =P |
| 09:13.19 | Shirik | lua> 314-273 |
| 09:13.20 | lua_bot | Shirik: 41 |
| 09:13.30 | Dagmar | Bruners: I've _been_ there a few times |
| 09:13.38 | Shirik | 314K is more like "you're lucky if you're not dead" |
| 09:13.56 | krka | nah, you can't be dead if you're that warm |
| 09:14.03 | krka | dead people are cold |
| 09:14.15 | Wobin | krka, well you can be... the infection will be happily living =P |
| 09:14.17 | Shirik | oh ok so when people die |
| 09:14.23 | Shirik | they cool down |
| 09:14.25 | Wobin | at least for a while longer |
| 09:14.31 | Shirik | and then as they pass through 98 they come back to life |
| 09:14.35 | Shirik | because body's back to normal |
| 09:14.41 | krka | yup! |
| 09:14.44 | Dagmar | Doctors do things like throw you bodily into a bathtub full of ice cubes at that temp |
| 09:14.49 | Wobin | The zombie circle of life |
| 09:14.50 | krka | that's my theory and i'm sticking to it |
| 09:15.55 | haste | been trying to AFK do todays fishing daily |
| 09:16.10 | Dagmar | 100F shouldn't mean a trip to the emergency room. |
| 09:16.18 | haste | so far I've died four times, two of fatigue, one of getting ganked and one of getting ganked by a mob |
| 09:16.22 | Dagmar | Two degrees of fever == take some aspirin, foo |
| 09:16.52 | kd3 | wait, wait... 'take your temperature?' |
| 09:16.58 | kd3 | isn't even sure he's got a thermometer |
| 09:17.00 | Bruners | http://nhi.no/symptomsjekk/barn/feber-1268.html im going to stick with the information on this page :P |
| 09:17.30 | Dagmar | Take three chickens and bork bork bork? |
| 09:17.30 | Wobin | tries to read that. hoshit, I'm gonna die =P |
| 09:17.48 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 09:17.54 | Dagmar | Yeah my brain kinda wobbled a little when I first pulled that up, too |
| 09:17.59 | Fisker | any kind of autoplowing (of your mom) planned in mrplow? |
| 09:18.35 | Shirik | well |
| 09:18.40 | Shirik | on the bright side you can't be sued |
| 09:18.43 | Shirik | for posting that |
| 09:18.49 | Dagmar | The Finns must be seriously more sensitive to fever than we are in the states or something |
| 09:18.53 | Fisker | Blizzard is too kind sometimes |
| 09:19.00 | Shirik | If you are over 98.7F, go to hospital! |
| 09:19.01 | Wobin | Fisker, nope |
| 09:19.06 | Shirik | if you are under 98.5F, go to hospital! |
| 09:19.10 | Fisker | i hate you Wobin :( |
| 09:19.12 | Fisker | i want that |
| 09:19.12 | Wobin | too rife with chance of fail |
| 09:19.13 | Shirik | never going to get sued for saying "you're ok" |
| 09:19.20 | Wobin | too lazy to click a button? |
| 09:22.15 | Fisker | yes! |
| 09:24.50 | Torhal | you wouldn't click to plow Fisker |
| 09:25.06 | Shirik | you wouldn't plow to click Fisker |
| 09:25.31 | Fisker | But it's funny, this guy has made numerous posts flaming Blizzard posters and employees, as well as community posters, as well as posting halfway racist remarks, as well as linking to private server software |
| 09:25.35 | Fisker | and he's still not been banned :D |
| 09:25.49 | Wobin | maybe he's a honeypot |
| 09:26.07 | Fisker | i called him a moose |
| 09:26.49 | Bruners | Fisker: do you have a link to some of his "content" ? |
| 09:28.21 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11824283115&sid=1 |
| 09:28.22 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11824283288&sid=1 |
| 09:28.36 | Fisker | he also had a thread a few weeks back |
| 09:28.57 | Fisker | Where he said something along the lines that he wasn't expecting a reply soon because we were dealing with "french people" |
| 09:28.57 | Fisker | :D |
| 09:42.09 | Shirik | hi Fisker |
| 09:42.44 | Shirik | FISKER |
| 09:43.06 | Fisker | SHIRIK |
| 09:43.11 | Shirik | hi :3 |
| 09:43.40 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDLr99tlGiA&feature=player_embedded |
| 09:43.58 | Wobin | and Fisker |
| 09:44.02 | Wobin | this is totally what you need: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002YR1FE2?tag=blaitonthevoi-20&camp=213381&creative=390973&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B002YR1FE2&adid=1AENW984GS30RRWC78X2& |
| 09:45.00 | Shirik | Fisker why not is you do say hi to me yes |
| 09:45.28 | Fisker | i'd only want a in the mountains-pj Wobin |
| 09:45.52 | Shirik | FISKER |
| 09:45.59 | Shirik | why you are so mean to me :( |
| 09:48.50 | Shirik | sets mode #wowuidev +fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Fisker |
| 09:49.19 | krka | Shirik: you can give voice to everyone but Fisker and set the channel mode accordingly |
| 09:50.32 | Shirik | Fisker has no voice |
| 09:50.37 | Shirik | see that |
| 09:50.41 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Fisker] by Shirik |
| 09:50.55 | Shirik | now he has negative 3 voicesw |
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| 09:51.06 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTAbs6r0pZU&feature=player_embedded |
| 09:51.20 | Wobin | hehe <3 Stephan Colbert |
| 09:52.08 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11824313435&sid=1#2 <-i lol'd |
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| 09:53.21 | Shirik | Fisker you cannot talk |
| 09:54.31 | Fisker | i can |
| 09:54.41 | Shirik | no |
| 09:54.47 | Shirik | Do you not see the -v x3? |
| 09:54.54 | Shirik | It means you are not allowed to talk |
| 09:54.58 | Shirik | you have negative voice |
| 09:55.37 | krka | Shirik: /mode +m #wowuidev and voice everyone :) |
| 09:55.52 | Shirik | what's the point of that :P |
| 09:57.15 | krka | so you can devoice Shirik |
| 09:57.19 | krka | err |
| 09:57.21 | krka | Fisker |
| 09:57.26 | Fisker | /mrplow OMG |
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| 09:58.04 | Shirik | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11824283288&sid=1 |
| 09:58.21 | Fisker | btw kd3 you lied to me |
| 09:58.22 | Shirik | Why the fuck would you go out and say "I'm playing WoW without paying now!!!" in a public forum, where Blizzard knows who you are, personally identifiable |
| 09:58.36 | Shirik | ON AN ACCOUNT WHERE THEY HAVE YOUR ADDRESS, BANK ACCOUNT, AND EVERYTHING |
| 09:58.51 | Shirik | I hope that guy gets a court summons for stupidity |
| 09:59.00 | Fisker | Blizzard EU isn't hardcore enough |
| 09:59.12 | Fisker | They should've dropped him the very first thread he made a few weeks ago |
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| 09:59.42 | Fisker | But i guess you could consider it more professional than the US department actually |
| 09:59.55 | Fisker | they have no problem going out of their way to ban you in the game, pwn you own the forums, etc. |
| 10:00.38 | Shirik | oh this is EU forums |
| 10:00.44 | Shirik | I was wondering why it said "In-Game Support" |
| 10:00.55 | Shirik | Where do you guys get off calling that in-game support anway |
| 10:00.58 | Fisker | I remember that guy who started this huge uproar on poor service because he had just lost 5000k because his flight skill was gone |
| 10:01.01 | Shirik | last I checked, the forums are not acessible from in-game |
| 10:01.21 | jnwhiteh | support about in-game issues |
| 10:01.22 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:01.28 | Fisker | And then some GM show him conversations he had the day before |
| 10:01.40 | Fisker | basically showing him defrauding a GM |
| 10:01.43 | Fisker | and he was shut up quick |
| 10:01.52 | Fisker | Blizzard EU wouldn't do that :( |
| 10:01.54 | jnwhiteh | i remember that one |
| 10:02.20 | Grum | Fisker: you suck, you cant have 5000k |
| 10:02.34 | Fisker | fffffuuuuu Grum |
| 10:02.35 | Shirik | Fisker owes me 5000k |
| 10:02.43 | Grum | fufufufufufisker |
| 10:02.49 | Fisker | Or the time in wotlk where some guy kept complaining about server lag |
| 10:03.04 | Fisker | Then Tigole barged in and removed his beta access |
| 10:03.06 | Fisker | :D |
| 10:03.18 | Grum | win |
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| 10:03.51 | Lothaer | anyone know what this means |
| 10:03.52 | Lothaer | Date: 2009-12-07 19:52:27 |
| 10:03.52 | Lothaer | ID: 1 |
| 10:03.52 | Lothaer | Error occured in: Global |
| 10:03.52 | Lothaer | Count: 1 |
| 10:03.52 | Lothaer | Message: memory allocation error: block too big |
| 10:03.54 | Lothaer | Debug: |
| 10:04.10 | Fisker | Your block is too big |
| 10:04.11 | Shirik | It means you almost pissed off Shiibot |
| 10:04.23 | Shirik | it also means you are trying to use too much memory at once |
| 10:04.30 | Fisker | is he twitching Shirik ? |
| 10:04.57 | krka | at 2009-12-07 19:52:27, something tried to allocate a large memory chunk, but the block was too big. it seems to have occured only once, and it was probably the first error, since the id was 1 |
| 10:05.13 | Shirik | I agree with krka's analysis |
| 10:05.27 | Shirik | also, it occurred in the main Lua thread |
| 10:05.43 | krka | are there different lua threads? |
| 10:05.54 | Fisker | it only happened once! |
| 10:05.55 | Shirik | I'm referring to the Lua concept of thread |
| 10:06.00 | Shirik | that is, it wasn't in a coroutine |
| 10:06.07 | krka | ah right |
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| 10:07.03 | Lothaer | so in short one of my mods is a memory hog? |
| 10:07.22 | Shirik | I wouldn't say "memory hog" considering it tried to allocate a huge block all at once |
| 10:07.25 | Fisker | not if it's just one request? |
| 10:07.44 | krka | it may be related to a reallocating a big ass-table |
| 10:07.46 | Shirik | well, I guess a talbe reallocation |
| 10:07.47 | Shirik | yeah |
| 10:07.55 | krka | or creating a very large string |
| 10:08.04 | Shirik | I think strings have another error |
| 10:08.05 | krka | or calculating a very large number |
| 10:08.17 | Fisker | looks like he's being handled now :o |
| 10:08.20 | krka | like 10^100 |
| 10:08.21 | Shirik | "string length overflow" or something |
| 10:09.04 | Wobin | over 9000? |
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| 10:09.19 | Fisker | you be a bat Shirik |
| 10:09.30 | Shirik | you be a cat Fisker |
| 10:10.17 | krka | Shirik: why do you write such nonsense? :/ |
| 10:10.25 | Shirik | ? |
| 10:10.39 | Shirik | only to Fisker |
| 10:10.55 | Shirik | it is the first law of computers: Garbage in, garbage out |
| 10:11.07 | Shirik | also known as a GIGO queue |
| 10:11.54 | Shirik | wtf wikipedia actually has a page on this |
| 10:11.56 | Shirik | ~wiki GIGO |
| 10:12.08 | Fisker | it wasn't nonsense! |
| 10:12.28 | Fisker | bat = Big-Ass-Table |
| 10:12.41 | Shirik | cat = cool ass table |
| 10:12.48 | Fisker | awesome |
| 10:13.12 | Lothaer | dilligaf |
| 10:13.13 | Lothaer | lol |
| 10:13.52 | Shirik | ok night night |
| 10:13.58 | Shirik | krka, I leave you with the control of Fisker |
| 10:14.05 | Shirik | good luck, you will need it |
| 10:15.05 | Torhal | Nobody controls Fisker. That is madness. |
| 10:18.50 | Audible | Fisker : good reading there |
| 10:21.24 | krka | wtf Shirik i dont even see what he's writing, i can only observe second hand interactions |
| 10:22.33 | bleeter | best pic on wikipedia, ever http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Shuttle_mounting_point.JPG |
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| 10:25.30 | olafski | are lvl 60 people in a 60-69 BG bracket? |
| 10:27.04 | olafski | damn, seems so.. there goes my nice plan of acquiring nice lvl 60 pvp epix on my shaman |
| 10:29.04 | bleeter | olafski: yeah they nerfed that once they brought in the whole official support for twinks |
| 10:29.20 | bleeter | 'coz one could twink @ 60 by not buying the XPAC |
| 10:30.19 | olafski | hm |
| 10:30.33 | olafski | shame |
| 10:31.21 | olafski | guess I could level from 59 to 60 in AB just so I can have the epix.. but they'll probably be replaced by lvl 62 |
| 10:33.08 | haste | question: Anyone know if there's a list of all the spotify search crap? like spotify:track:XxxXXXx ? |
| 10:39.24 | haste | nvm, the spotify C lib has a enum with them |
| 10:50.13 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 10:50.17 | Fisker | you wouldn't go full retard |
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| 10:58.04 | Torhal | Fisker: That's like Theater 101. |
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| 12:18.36 | Wobin | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/SxNeFhEUgsI/AAAAAAAAKLA/4uyjDLZMH6U/s1600/inside+of+egg.jpg |
| 12:19.29 | Sentri | hmm "You do not have the option to exclude specific Heroic dungeons, however, if you've already run a specific Heroic dungeon that day, it is less likely to be randomly selected for you." |
| 12:20.00 | Sentri | so you can run the same hc more than once a day? or have I misunderstood something? |
| 12:20.09 | Sentri | with 3.3 LFD |
| 12:24.20 | Wobin | yes |
| 12:25.27 | Wobin | so if you want to run it twice |
| 12:25.34 | Wobin | you do it first specifically |
| 12:25.39 | Wobin | then hope for the best on the random |
| 12:26.40 | Fisker | no |
| 12:26.54 | Fisker | You just hope for the best |
| 12:27.00 | Fisker | You could have the same instance 5 times in a row |
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| 12:27.59 | Wobin | Fisker, nothing stopping you from doing the dungeon first with a premade |
| 12:28.25 | Fisker | true |
| 12:28.37 | Wobin | but if you hit it randomly first |
| 12:28.42 | Wobin | you won't be able to do it deliberately |
| 12:29.28 | Fisker | surely it doesn't create a lockout if it also ignores it? |
| 12:30.13 | Wobin | I suspect the only way you can get around the lockout is through the randomiser |
| 12:33.31 | Fisker | http://www.danamics.com/lmx/ <-i wonder if they finally fixed it |
| 12:39.12 | Wobin | liquid metal coolant? |
| 12:39.47 | Wobin | interesting idea |
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| 12:41.08 | Bruners | Fisker: fixed what? |
| 12:41.08 | olafski | yeah it creates a lockout if you randomly encounter a dungeon |
| 12:41.30 | olafski | noisy cooler ;) |
| 12:46.45 | Fisker | teh silleh olafski |
| 12:48.48 | Hirsute | Huh. It seems that even though Windows itself is case-insensitive when it comes to file and folder names, *WoW* on Windows is not, or at least non consistently so. |
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| 12:50.49 | Hirsute | Has some addons I was running the svn versions of, and symlinked them into my addons folder, but did so with all lower-case file names. One of the addons absolutely refused to load until I relinked it with the folder name in appropriate case. |
| 12:51.02 | Hirsute | s/Has/I Have/ |
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| 13:08.56 | Mikk | Yeah I've had that, too. |
| 13:13.14 | Hirsute | Weirdest thing. |
| 13:13.44 | Hirsute | It was one of those last-ditch, shouldn't-make-a-difference, desparation attempts. |
| 13:14.02 | zenzio | I'm guessing WoW just uses case-sensitive string comparison functions |
| 13:14.49 | Hirsute | I'm sure, but the weird thing is that I had... probably 20 addons symlinked with all-lowercase folder names that usually have mixed case folder names, and only 3 of them were affected in any detectable way. |
| 13:14.54 | Hirsute | So it doesn't seem consistent. |
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| 13:15.22 | zenzio | did the three use any weird letters or symbols? |
| 13:15.29 | zenzio | (in their names) |
| 13:15.55 | Hirsute | Nope. |
| 13:16.17 | Hirsute | One was BeanCounter, another was Auc-Util-Glypher. |
| 13:16.50 | Bruners | what is the status on oUF_MoveableFrames, can it move everything now or does it still have the party bug? |
| 13:22.05 | zenzio | what's the "party bug"? |
| 13:22.39 | Bruners | not 100% sure but i think the party frame pops back where the layout placed it to begin with |
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| 13:25.57 | Bruners | its still there |
| 13:26.25 | Bruners | if only mr derkyle was on irc |
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| 13:31.45 | Fisker | Bruners |
| 13:31.48 | Fisker | "maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" |
| 13:31.57 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker is a sheep? |
| 13:32.56 | Kalroth | Why the question mark? |
| 13:34.04 | Fisker | you wouldn't accuse me of being a sheep |
| 13:36.29 | Lopeppeppy | I don't want to hurt his feelings. |
| 13:38.54 | Fisker | you already did :( |
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| 13:42.25 | Fisker | so is the ignore list 50 or 100 players? |
| 13:42.28 | Fisker | in 3.3 |
| 13:42.37 | Fisker | I was told blizzard have issues counting etc. |
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| 13:45.11 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: only one true sheep |
| 13:46.09 | Zyn | ~wowalert |
| 13:46.10 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 13:46.23 | Lopeppeppy | I know I did, Fisker, I'm trying not to do it again. |
| 13:47.13 | bleeter | you did fisker?? |
| 13:47.15 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/12/06/funny-pictures-later-trust-me/ |
| 13:47.54 | Lopeppeppy | Hey Ackis! http://ihasahotdog.com/2009/12/06/cute-puppy-pictures-proposal-considerashun/ |
| 13:49.49 | bleeter | I think Lopeppeppy's ignoring me, but here goes... in case you missed it: best pic on wikipedia, ever http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Shuttle_mounting_point.JPG EVER |
| 13:50.25 | Lopeppeppy | bleeter, you ignored my comma, why shouldn't I ignore you? :P |
| 13:51.36 | bleeter | :( |
| 13:51.48 | bleeter | you ignored me first |
| 13:52.04 | bleeter | :P |
| 13:52.21 | Fisker | so |
| 13:52.24 | Fisker | release 3.3 tomorrow |
| 13:52.36 | bleeter | so it'd seem |
| 13:53.16 | bleeter | Certainly, if it happens, contender for 'Worst Kept WoW Secret Ever' award |
| 13:53.20 | Lopeppeppy | Had to be soon, Christmas is coming up. |
| 13:53.34 | bleeter | yup yup, two weeks before big holidays |
| 13:53.55 | Lopeppeppy | Gives them time to iron things out, so no engineers are E-paged while they should be with family |
| 13:53.57 | bleeter | always super busy time for releases, any products |
| 13:54.06 | zenzio | clearly they're holding back 3.3 until the third of March |
| 13:54.13 | Fisker | oh well |
| 13:54.16 | Lopeppeppy | March is a good month too. |
| 13:54.16 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: god been there, it sucks hardcore |
| 13:54.22 | Fisker | have to do 25 random group on wednesday |
| 13:54.32 | bleeter | March is a good month to start talking betas |
| 13:54.41 | Fisker | too late bleeter |
| 13:54.51 | zenzio | wonders if no-one noticed the joke |
| 13:55.15 | Fisker | oh but we did zenzelezz |
| 13:55.24 | Fisker | or actually |
| 13:55.27 | zenzio | of course you did Fisker |
| 13:55.35 | Fisker | 3.3 at 3/3 |
| 13:55.35 | zenzio | but not everyone has your mental capacity |
| 13:55.36 | Fisker | LOLOLOL |
| 13:55.38 | Fisker | you so funnay |
| 13:55.49 | bleeter | no u |
| 13:55.52 | Fisker | no me |
| 13:56.08 | zenzio | many of my jokes aren't funny to other people; just me amusing myself with word plays or similar |
| 13:56.14 | Fisker | anyways i think the LK beta lasted a bit longer than it was supposed to |
| 13:56.39 | Lopeppeppy | A wizard always arrives exactly when he means to. |
| 13:56.40 | bleeter | yeah could've done with another month, too |
| 13:56.53 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: not true, his pointy bit always comes first |
| 13:57.02 | Fisker | his penis? |
| 13:57.15 | Lopeppeppy | Pointy hat is vertical, not horizontal |
| 13:57.19 | zenzio | was at a christmas party this weekend with a bunch of coders, and a group was discussing which phone/device was better for sharing a 3G connection. One of them asked "then how do you solve NAT routing?", and I told him we only route by day. He walked away (I expect only Fisker and a couple of others will get this one) |
| 13:57.27 | bleeter | pointy wand, pointy broomstick |
| 13:57.35 | krka | zenzio: i get it |
| 13:57.35 | Fisker | hoho zenzio |
| 13:57.59 | Fisker | good thing they weren't talking about PAT routing then |
| 13:58.11 | zenzio | :) |
| 13:58.39 | bleeter | I want to get an aussie accent in to my GPS so she can talk about root calculations |
| 13:58.42 | bleeter | hawt |
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| 14:08.32 | Fisker | owned haste |
| 14:08.47 | haste | Fisker: what? |
| 14:08.56 | Fisker | Obama doesn't give a shit about the nobel price |
| 14:09.06 | haste | he shouldn't have gotten it anyway |
| 14:09.32 | Fisker | oh but he should! |
| 14:10.09 | Fisker | anyways we get to throw away money on security responsibilities weee |
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| 14:25.55 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dog_cat_kid_comic.jpg |
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| 14:34.10 | Adys | http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1551.png |
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| 14:41.39 | Sesshu | omg wikipedia is down :( |
| 14:42.05 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/12/rainbow-trapped-time/ |
| 14:42.06 | Audible | yeah |
| 14:42.10 | Audible | its incredible |
| 14:42.18 | Adys | and no its not down |
| 14:42.21 | Sesshu | oh and again up |
| 14:42.25 | Sesshu | it was down |
| 14:48.52 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGAIpzpBvVQ |
| 14:49.14 | mikma | wobwork: ^--- :) |
| 14:51.25 | haste | mikma: |
| 14:51.30 | haste | mikma: http://www.vimeo.com/7199178 * |
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| 15:04.05 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21626553886&sid=1 << "Obviously I'm working to rid the DropDownMenu_Initlialize callback of of globals, and I have succeeded. " |
| 15:08.55 | foxlit | The only reasonable response must be "Huh?" |
| 15:09.15 | Lopeppeppy | buh-wha? |
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| 15:14.40 | Adys | it seems on gmail avatars are lost when switching from http to https |
| 15:14.45 | Adys | in settings |
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| 15:23.06 | haste | Adys: here they only go away when I use the gtalk pop-up |
| 15:27.50 | Fisker | you wouldn't defuse a bomb haste |
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| 15:50.37 | fbjork | anyone developing apps on http://www.avatarsunited.com ? |
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| 16:08.12 | Adys | People who question that global warming results entirely from human activity need to be brought onside - through honest scientific evidence and NOT by being abused as "flat-earthers." |
| 16:08.25 | Adys | "Tried that, didn't work" |
| 16:09.52 | theorbtwo | I really, really think that wondering about the cause, and if it's human, is quite missing the point. |
| 16:10.30 | theorbtwo | The much better question is how much they are going to continue to rise, and what we are going to do to stop it happening, mittigate the effects, or both. |
| 16:11.06 | nevcairiel | You could still try to find the cause and stop it there |
| 16:12.16 | Audible | for those of you on the climate : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd7M4Hqwdbg&feature=player_embedded# |
| 16:12.23 | Audible | watch it, it has alot of good points :) |
| 16:12.30 | Audible | and please watch it before you comment ;) |
| 16:13.12 | foxlit | "We should limit emissions" --> "But why would that help?" --> "Because it's caused by CO2" --> "No it's not" --> "Gah." |
| 16:13.43 | Audible | foxit : watch that 8 minute youtube bit, it has some interesting points :) |
| 16:14.20 | Bruners | where do i find the healing head enchant? |
| 16:14.31 | foxlit | Bruners: wyrmtemple |
| 16:14.39 | foxlit | So it might be difficult to limit discussion entirely to "what should we do about it?" |
| 16:15.17 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.24 | Lopeppeppy | They'll bring it back to religion anyway, not chemistry or science. :) Chicken Little loves to put his head in the sand and dream of Krispy Kreme donuts. |
| 16:17.51 | Fisker | you wouldn't, Lopeppeppy |
| 16:19.33 | Adys | Audible: I closed it at "Maybe in a thousand years" |
| 16:20.25 | Adys | its totally retarded to say "Not worrying about whats happening in 50 years is stupid" and not worrying about what can happen in 500+ years |
| 16:21.52 | Adys | and totally fucking seriously, the need for less pollution and what not is unrelated to global warming at all |
| 16:22.20 | Lopeppeppy | Quality of life and stuff. |
| 16:22.42 | Adys | assholes who just want to keep consuming for whatever reason need to be put in the center Athens for a week, and then in the center of London for a week |
| 16:23.08 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, there's a big difference between "impossible" and "a problem caused by us", however |
| 16:23.21 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: irrelevant |
| 16:23.31 | ZorbaBeta | and, honestly, the rants about how "consuming is bad" just hurt the position of people who are concerned |
| 16:24.02 | ZorbaBeta | consuming isn't bad. consuming has absolutely nothing to do with global warming. Even the global-warming proponents don't link those together. The problem is atmospheric emissions, not Playstations. |
| 16:24.20 | Adys | yeah and I'm not talking about playstations |
| 16:24.34 | ZorbaBeta | I don't think we'll *ever* stop or even significantly slow down consumption, but I *do* think we may be able to do some wonderful climate engineering to counteract the effect of production. |
| 16:24.51 | ZorbaBeta | That's where things should be pointing. Not "you're evil for being rich". |
| 16:25.01 | Adys | I didnt say that either |
| 16:25.12 | ZorbaBeta | I didn't say you did, but it's a common theme in environmentalism. |
| 16:26.03 | Adys | because 90% of the people arguing, whatever their side, are missing the point |
| 16:26.47 | Adys | forget about the worldwide effect of reducing emissions or what not |
| 16:27.15 | Adys | look at the local effects of reducing car traffic by 95% in a megacity |
| 16:27.49 | ZorbaBeta | an immediate vast reduction in economic efficiency and employment fluidity? :D |
| 16:28.09 | Adys | who loses? |
| 16:28.46 | Adys | back in paris, people using cars to go to work get there slower than people using the subway |
| 16:28.52 | ZorbaBeta | the workers who now have to spend an hour on public transportation instead of 30 minutes in their car. Or who have to move to be closer to work. And who lose out on a large number of potential jobs, because an irritating one-hour drive just turned into an impossible four-hour drive. |
| 16:29.14 | nevcairiel | you know weird citys |
| 16:29.14 | ZorbaBeta | yes, Paris's road infrastructure is substantially underbuilt for its size. |
| 16:29.29 | Adys | and so are hundreds of towns like paris |
| 16:29.37 | nevcairiel | most megacitys i know you can be equally fast with public transportation, if not faster |
| 16:29.48 | Adys | exactly nevcairiel |
| 16:29.52 | ZorbaBeta | Sure, some are. It tends to be a Europe thing, most US cities have a sufficient amount of roads. |
| 16:30.33 | ZorbaBeta | nev, I suppose it depends on "megacity". in the Bay Area, it's more of a megasprawl |
| 16:30.40 | zenzelezz | isn't it weird how in real life we're fighting the global warming, but in WoW we're fighting the global cooldown? |
| 16:30.49 | nevcairiel | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 16:30.49 | purl | stuffs zenzelezz into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 16:30.50 | ZorbaBeta | and around here, you use a car or spend twice as long on a train. If you're lucky. |
| 16:30.54 | cog|work | ~rimshot |
| 16:30.55 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 16:31.10 | nevcairiel | maybe your public transportation is just not as good as ours, then =) |
| 16:31.12 | Adys | The only US megacities in the top25 are NY and LA and aren't even in the top5 |
| 16:31.33 | Fisker | btw cog|work |
| 16:31.38 | Adys | now i know NYC is pretty bad as it is, and I also havent seen much of the US |
| 16:31.39 | Fisker | i had to tell you |
| 16:31.49 | Audible | global warming is a scam period. reducing pollution is nice, because of the effects of pollution ( sulphur rain etc), smog etc, but the need for a uniting impending catastrophy is more urgent ( call it cold war, world war, etc )- meet global warming |
| 16:31.53 | Lopeppeppy | Boston has good public transport, and craptastic roads. |
| 16:31.55 | Fisker | With regards to the kook-aid issue, you're using facebook so your point is invalid |
| 16:31.57 | Adys | but you guys don't have polluted cities as europe |
| 16:32.13 | zenzelezz | looks at Los Angeles |
| 16:32.26 | Adys | LA is fucking green |
| 16:32.44 | Adys | only city ive been in but if you guys think its polluted you need to go to athens |
| 16:32.51 | zenzelezz | what type of pollution are we talking about? |
| 16:32.53 | Adys | and i know theres much worse than athens |
| 16:32.53 | Audible | Adys : there is a reason why you have Brooklyn Smog Conjuntivitis |
| 16:32.57 | nevcairiel | Our cars have a pollution rating now, and in some citys you can only drive with a certain rating |
| 16:33.05 | Adys | zenzelezz: the "making the town fucking unlivable" kind |
| 16:33.05 | Fisker | lolwat |
| 16:33.07 | Fisker | germans |
| 16:33.11 | ZorbaBeta | adys, yeah, a lot of the old-world cities were just not built for the kind of transportation that modern technology provides and requires. I mean, not that they could have known better, but. |
| 16:33.13 | Adys | the china's kind |
| 16:33.21 | zenzelezz | Adys: that doesn't explain anything. Smog? Litter? |
| 16:33.48 | ZorbaBeta | That said, I'm looking at the top cities, and none of them are in countries that are really noted for having strong pollution controls. |
| 16:33.56 | Adys | smog, unbreathable air, extreme amounts of dirt, fires |
| 16:34.12 | ZorbaBeta | so, yeah, some good pollution reduction processes are nice. |
| 16:34.24 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: as i said, its not a global thing |
| 16:34.32 | Adys | and its one example between many |
| 16:35.32 | Adys | for all I can say, introducing a tax to drive within a town increases the town's business, the public transport's popularity, creates jobs, increase traffic fluidity within the town |
| 16:36.12 | Adys | and, if well managed, doesn't matter for people who go home and to their jobs 4 times a day |
| 16:36.15 | nevcairiel | Audible: global warming is not a scam, its very real. The only questionable point is what causes it, if its our fault, or some re-occuring nature thing .. just before a ice age, temperatures spikes, you know! |
| 16:36.26 | ZorbaBeta | why would it create jobs? |
| 16:36.45 | Adys | public transport's popularity means more will be needed |
| 16:36.47 | zenzelezz | to nitpick, I think it's more a question of how much of it is because of us; not whether any of it is |
| 16:36.52 | Adys | s/y/y increasing/ |
| 16:37.00 | ZorbaBeta | sure, but the fact that people have less money and time means that other businesses will suffer |
| 16:37.09 | ZorbaBeta | I mean there will certainly be jobs that are created |
| 16:37.12 | ZorbaBeta | but there will also be jobs that are lost |
| 16:37.16 | Adys | such as? |
| 16:37.19 | nevcairiel | thats assuming it actually does take longer and costs more |
| 16:37.25 | Adys | exactly |
| 16:37.27 | Lopeppeppy | If I get laid off, I'm in serious trouble, since I moved particularly to be closer to my job in the boonies... not everywhere is accessible by public transport. |
| 16:37.29 | theorbtwo | You automatically assume that public transit will be slower and more expensive. |
| 16:37.34 | ZorbaBeta | if it didn't before, then the people who were driving were just being dumb |
| 16:37.43 | nevcairiel | people are just lazy |
| 16:37.45 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, if public transit is both faster and cheaper, why weren't people using it in the first place? |
| 16:37.48 | nevcairiel | dont like going by train |
| 16:37.49 | nevcairiel | whatever |
| 16:37.53 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: they do |
| 16:37.56 | Fisker | unreliable |
| 16:37.59 | Adys | as i said, look at paris |
| 16:38.03 | theorbtwo | Because you could *make it* faster and cheaper. |
| 16:38.04 | nevcairiel | i know many people that drive by car because they just don#t "like" going by train/bus |
| 16:38.08 | Adys | some people just like their cars and THINK its cheaper |
| 16:38.09 | Fisker | and not all cases are faster due to poor support to begin with |
| 16:38.12 | ZorbaBeta | adys, but you just said that adding the tax will make more people use public transportation, and that public transportation is faster and cheaper |
| 16:38.22 | Adys | yeah it is |
| 16:38.23 | ZorbaBeta | so, out of those people who are now using public transportation, why weren't they using it before? |
| 16:38.34 | Adys | because, as nev and i said, people like their cars |
| 16:38.52 | Adys | when you never take the bus because "ew, gross, I'd have to touch people", you'll never figure out its cheaper |
| 16:39.04 | Lopeppeppy | Out in Boston, I used it when I wasn't alone, or it was daylight. But it wasn't really safe for a female alone at night, so there are limits beyond just "eew gross". |
| 16:39.16 | theorbtwo | It's not always obvious how much a car journey actually costs, because you don't think of the costs other then gas. |
| 16:39.23 | nevcairiel | you go to work at nights? |
| 16:39.24 | Adys | the whole "at night" thing is the key, peppy |
| 16:39.36 | Adys | theorbtwo: precisely |
| 16:39.42 | Lopeppeppy | Not necessarily safe during the day either, but at least "safer" |
| 16:40.16 | nevcairiel | well i suppose crime is more an issue in the US then here |
| 16:40.26 | Lopeppeppy | Could be. |
| 16:40.28 | nevcairiel | i havent heard that argument much here |
| 16:40.29 | theorbtwo | I think it is decidely unfair to blame public transit for a culture that isn't serious about assults on women. |
| 16:40.50 | Adys | and I think it's an unrelated problem |
| 16:40.54 | Lopeppeppy | Also that, theorbtwo. |
| 16:41.00 | nevcairiel | of course it is, Adys |
| 16:41.01 | Adys | a tax doesn't forbid you to use your car, it makes it more expensive to do so |
| 16:41.12 | Adys | if you really want to use your car, you still can |
| 16:41.41 | Adys | people don't realize how much more they actually pay when they do use or even own a car |
| 16:41.45 | theorbtwo | ...and in a reasonable world, that same tax makes using public transit more effective, because the money will be invested into the public transit system. |
| 16:41.47 | Adys | the tax itself is insignificant |
| 16:41.49 | nevcairiel | Like i said, in some major citys you have to have a car thats up to code on some pollution factors around here, or you cant access some areas in those citys |
| 16:42.16 | theorbtwo | I think London's congestion charging zone is a great idea, along those lines. |
| 16:42.21 | Adys | nevcairiel: its one way to deal with pollution, but it doesn't solve all the problems the london tax solves |
| 16:42.33 | nevcairiel | that especially affects old diesel engines and their smelly pollution :P |
| 16:42.34 | theorbtwo | If you drive a car in central london, they charge you an extra fee. |
| 16:42.44 | Adys | you don't realize the difference until you live in both sides of the contrast |
| 16:43.01 | nevcairiel | Ah right, london already has something like that |
| 16:43.39 | nevcairiel | I couldn't complain about their public transportations though, so i guess its all good there |
| 16:44.13 | Adys | I heard the subway sucks, I can't say about that I only took it a few times and it was all good and well, although slower than paris' |
| 16:44.20 | Adys | and damn it was clean |
| 16:44.34 | Adys | trains and buses certainly were fine |
| 16:44.34 | nevcairiel | I mostly took busses, but shrug |
| 16:44.45 | nevcairiel | been a few years, too |
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| 17:06.10 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-dear. |
| 17:06.41 | Lopeppeppy | Creepy serial-killer photo is creepy! http://cms.skidmore.edu/current_students.cfm |
| 17:06.43 | Lunessa | Morning. |
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| 17:08.55 | zenzelezz | :-o at the girl at the right side of that picture |
| 17:09.12 | Lopeppeppy | She's not the serial killer! |
| 17:09.42 | nevcairiel | Hm she looks like a girl i used to know |
| 17:09.44 | foxlit | That is still no way to hold a hammer. |
| 17:12.30 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, well... college freshmen doing renovations on historic buildings. Bound to be some failure in there. |
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| 17:21.58 | foxlit | I wonder if bejeweled cheats. |
| 17:22.10 | durcyn | yes, it does. |
| 17:22.17 | Lopeppeppy | *tinfoil hat* |
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| 17:23.41 | zenzelezz | do Americans intentionally call it "tinfoil" and not "aluminium foil"? (possibly minus the "i", you freaks) |
| 17:24.19 | Lopeppeppy | I've only ever heard it called a tinfoil hat, when used to talk about something to keep out OMG cosmic mind controlling waves or whatever. :) |
| 17:25.26 | foxlit | Google is useless -- "bejeweled cheat codes for PC" "how to cheat on bejeweled blitz" |
| 17:25.33 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:25.42 | durcyn | tinfoil sounds better. |
| 17:26.39 | zenzelezz | "When someone uses the term tin foil, that person is almost always talking about aluminum foil. Tin foil is an old term, and it has carried into the present where it is frequently used to mean aluminum or kitchen foil. " |
| 17:27.09 | nevcairiel | we just abbreviate it "Alu Foil" here, and its all good again. |
| 17:27.32 | Adys | zenzelezz: they call it tinfoil because its supposed to be |
| 17:27.50 | Adys | those fools using aluminum paper aren't protected of anything. |
| 17:28.17 | zenzelezz | I used to hear it the other way around, but I can't seem to find a link for either case |
| 17:29.14 | Torhal | zenzelezz: You know, I'm American and "aluminum" drives me batty. It's a fucking ELEMENT. All of the OTHER elements are "ium". |
| 17:29.29 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 17:29.42 | nevcairiel | iron-ium? :P |
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| 17:30.05 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Well, all of the radioactive elements...which probably explains why they dropped the I. |
| 17:30.09 | Torhal | Then again, nobody bitches about potassium...:D |
| 17:30.17 | Lunessa | "Al-yoo-mini-um" - Kiss my ass extra, useless syllables! |
| 17:30.18 | nevcairiel | you really drop the i in english? |
| 17:30.21 | nevcairiel | crazy people |
| 17:30.31 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Only for Aluminum. |
| 17:30.35 | Torhal | Makes no sense. |
| 17:30.37 | nevcairiel | thats what i meant |
| 17:30.41 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: Americans do, British don't |
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| 17:31.58 | zenzelezz | [2. Trade] [...]: lf 1 warrior dps to ony25 link ach and be geared (no warriors) last spot |
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| 17:32.47 | Liquidora3 | Is there no macro condition for chat messages? |
| 17:32.48 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:32.59 | nevcairiel | nice one zenzelezz |
| 17:33.03 | Liquidora3 | ie /raid [group:raid] or something similar? |
| 17:33.21 | nevcairiel | no it doesnt work for chat messages |
| 17:33.29 | nevcairiel | honestly i dont see the use-case either |
| 17:33.46 | Arrowmaster | theres an addon that lets you use them |
| 17:33.57 | nevcairiel | yeah its easy enough to add |
| 17:34.30 | Liquidora3 | Well |
| 17:34.45 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6853-MacroTalk-RIP.html |
| 17:35.02 | Liquidora3 | I want to send a chat message upon casting a spell but if the spell can't be cast or if I'm not in a raid I don't want it to send th emessage |
| 17:35.13 | Liquidora3 | Mainly the raid part |
| 17:35.27 | Liquidora3 | Is there a "not" method? |
| 17:35.38 | Liquidora3 | ie /stopmacro [not group:raid] ? |
| 17:35.39 | nevcairiel | just prefix the condition with a no |
| 17:35.44 | nevcairiel | nogroup:raid |
| 17:35.55 | Liquidora3 | oh well then that's settled :) |
| 17:35.58 | Liquidora3 | Thanks |
| 17:36.34 | Torhal | zenzelezz: Bah. Finally discovered why there's a difference in the spelling |
| 17:36.40 | Torhal | The spelling aluminium is the international standard in the sciences (IUPAC). The American spelling is nonetheless used by many American scientists. Humphry Davy, the element's discoverer, first proposed the name alumium, and then later aluminum. The name aluminium was finally adopted to conform with the -ium ending of metallic elements. |
| 17:37.21 | zenzelezz | interesting |
| 17:37.40 | Lopeppeppy | I am going to bet that this sheeple is running Firefox 1.x. I'm just gonna bet... |
| 17:37.55 | Torhal | Metscape 4.0! |
| 17:37.58 | Torhal | Net* |
| 17:38.00 | nevcairiel | Firefox 1.x > IE6 |
| 17:38.31 | Arrowmaster | Mozilla/5.0 |
| 17:38.43 | Liquidora3 | Huh what? There's other ways of calling it aluminium? :S damn Americans ! |
| 17:39.22 | amro | it's just a name, get over it |
| 17:39.51 | Fisker | i disagree nevcairiel |
| 17:39.59 | cog|work | I disagree Fisker |
| 17:40.17 | Fisker | i disagree cog|work |
| 17:40.35 | cog|work | i double dog disagree Fisker |
| 17:41.12 | Lunessa | brb |
| 17:41.33 | Fisker | I disagree so much cog|work that i should have the nobel peace prize |
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| 17:46.19 | cog|work | âBE CAREFUL WITH YOUR CREVICES, GIRLS!â |
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| 17:46.42 | Adys | cog|work: opinion on earlier talk plx |
| 17:46.56 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/130370/ |
| 17:47.06 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, please don't get him started, having passed to new topics was good! |
| 17:47.19 | Adys | gets Lopeppeppy started |
| 17:47.28 | cog|work | has no opinion |
| 17:49.08 | Lunessa | Me Grimlock, king! |
| 17:50.42 | Lopeppeppy | You no take candle. |
| 17:51.26 | Fisker | yes take candle |
| 17:54.01 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTQnUTgLssI possibly NSFW (at least if you have speakers) |
| 17:56.55 | Dagmar | cog|work: Sad thing is, I've known girls who didn't have that clue |
| 18:00.17 | Fisker | i'm eating you cog|work |
| 18:03.07 | Fisker | also |
| 18:03.14 | Fisker | after i'm done eating you i'll touch you on the penis |
| 18:04.06 | Xzibit | hey question -- when im setting my backdrop color for a addon.. how do i make that a Variable.. so when someone Clicks the addon it changes colors in a set of colors |
| 18:04.33 | Xzibit | im in a function for when the Event of clicking happens.. what format does LUA use for colors.. like html is Hex etc |
| 18:05.39 | cog|work | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetBackdropColor |
| 18:05.41 | Arrowmaster | its Lua not LUA |
| 18:05.55 | Arrowmaster | and it would be what format does WoW use not Lua |
| 18:06.12 | Xzibit | yeah thats what i ment sry. |
| 18:06.15 | Arrowmaster | Lua has no concept of a color |
| 18:06.32 | amro | poor Lua is colorblind |
| 18:06.44 | cog|work | yeah huh... there's the blue pil and the red pil! |
| 18:06.53 | cbreak | Lua has no eyes. |
| 18:07.47 | Thunder_Child | ~lart cog|work |
| 18:07.48 | purl | --purges cog|work |
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| 18:09.16 | Xzibit | is there a Library of Registered Events somewhere? |
| 18:09.36 | haste | why would you want that? |
| 18:09.37 | cog|work | http://wowprogramming.com/docs |
| 18:10.57 | Xzibit | awsome thanks.. there are a shitload xD |
| 18:11.05 | cbreak | maybe you could go through all frames |
| 18:11.11 | cbreak | and check if they registered any |
| 18:12.02 | Gnarfoz | anyone using Silverex's win32 build of X-Chat here? |
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| 18:14.53 | AbsolutRayne | Does anyone know if theyre removing the Glory of the Ulduar Raider drakes in 3.3? |
| 18:15.27 | Thunder_Child | i dont think so |
| 18:15.38 | Thunder_Child | usually they give notice |
| 18:15.39 | Gnarfoz | they're not. |
| 18:15.49 | Gnarfoz | they said they'd give 1 month advance warning |
| 18:15.56 | Gnarfoz | and that they currently have no plans to remove them |
| 18:17.09 | AbsolutRayne | Ok, good |
| 18:17.21 | AbsolutRayne | Im only Missing 1 Light in the Darkness and its driving me crazy >_< |
| 18:18.01 | Gnarfoz | grab 9 people with gear and steamroll it |
| 18:18.10 | Gnarfoz | it's absurdly easy these days |
| 18:18.12 | AbsolutRayne | Also, who has a Horde 80 and where did you go to level through the 20s. |
| 18:18.14 | Fisker | aww Dolby |
| 18:18.16 | Fisker | they found out :( |
| 18:18.24 | Gnarfoz | they always do |
| 18:18.29 | AbsolutRayne | Im 24 and have been hopping around between like...2-3 zones |
| 18:20.03 | Lunessa | cancels cog|work's Psychic Fair. |
| 18:20.09 | Lopeppeppy | Thousand Needles, AbsolutRayne? |
| 18:20.11 | Xzibit | at 20s.. Hillsbrad(kinda hard) .. Ashenvale(medium) |
| 18:20.26 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:20.54 | Adys | anyone knows if google provides a ntp server? |
| 18:21.38 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik |
| 18:21.43 | Adys | btw Shirik |
| 18:21.48 | Adys | i dont get the crash on this comp |
| 18:21.53 | Shirik | 32 or 64? |
| 18:21.54 | Fisker | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:21.57 | Adys | 64 |
| 18:22.02 | Shirik | yeah well f u |
| 18:22.06 | Adys | f u 2 |
| 18:22.13 | Fisker | no fu u |
| 18:24.45 | Lopeppeppy | giggles obligingly |
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| 18:32.00 | Xzibit | question -- in my Xml i have my Scripts like OnMouseDown etc.. they contain such things like self:StartMoving(); .. how do i reference OnMouseDown as an Event? .. or is it a predetermined event |
| 18:32.19 | Xzibit | that i can reference in the Lua by if (event == OnMouseDown) |
| 18:33.04 | zenzelezz | I think the terminology for those are scripts/script handlers |
| 18:33.07 | Seerah | Those aren't events, they're widget handlers |
| 18:33.09 | zenzelezz | you set them using SetScript |
| 18:33.21 | Seerah | *widget script handlers /sigh |
| 18:33.31 | zenzelezz | fine, you win Seerah |
| 18:33.41 | Thunder_Child | ~pat Seerah |
| 18:33.42 | purl | ACTION pats Seerah and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 18:33.42 | Seerah | huggles zenzelezz |
| 18:34.11 | Lunessa | Seerah is made of win. |
| 18:34.34 | Seerah | it gets a little stale sometimes... need to go to the store and buy more then |
| 18:34.36 | AbsolutRayne | Is it me or did they just make it crazy easy to level, even without heirlooms |
| 18:34.51 | Thunder_Child | umm...not 'just' |
| 18:35.06 | AbsolutRayne | Ive made it to 25 without any real direction on where to quest, about a days worth of play time |
| 18:35.14 | Lopeppeppy | They did make it much easier, AbsolutRayne. |
| 18:36.56 | cog|work | http://failblog.org/2009/11/03/holiday-lighting-win/ |
| 18:36.57 | Xzibit | so how do i create a widget handler within a function and a conditional |
| 18:38.33 | Seerah | Xzibit: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 18:38.53 | Lopeppeppy | That's purty, Cogwheel! |
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| 18:39.34 | nevcairiel | I prefered the one with the guy hanging from the roof |
| 18:39.42 | Xzibit | i want to create a killing blow counter initially |
| 18:40.05 | Seerah | Xzibit: with your code |
| 18:40.25 | Xzibit | with the section i was talking about? |
| 18:40.32 | Seerah | yes |
| 18:40.52 | Seerah | easier to help you if we know what you're doing/what you want to do |
| 18:40.54 | Seerah | :) |
| 18:41.26 | Xzibit | i want to make it so when you click the box it will change colors |
| 18:41.58 | Seerah | and you're using XML? |
| 18:42.27 | Xzibit | i was using XML to make the initial Frames, I wasnt sure if i should do events in that or lua |
| 18:42.43 | Xzibit | I'm very new to creating addons, but i do know how to program. |
| 18:44.03 | Seerah | well, I prefer to not touch XML with a 10-foot pole ;) But right there in your script handlers section of the XML is where you can do all that stuff. Otherwise, you can do this in your Lua: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScriptObject/SetScript |
| 18:44.54 | Xzibit | yeah the XML format is pretty new to me.. it confuses me thus far xD |
| 18:46.35 | Xzibit | thanks for the link :D |
| 18:46.36 | Legorol | am i the only one that sees the thread starters' names on the US general forum as odd? |
| 18:46.40 | Legorol | all the names begin with Aa |
| 18:47.22 | Seerah | Well, you found the <OnMouseDown> section of the scripts where it has self:StartMoving(). That's setting a function for the "OnMouseDown" script, so that when you push your mouse button down on the frame (to drag) it will allow the frame to move |
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| 18:47.41 | Xzibit | right. |
| 18:48.21 | Seerah | regular frames just have "OnMouseDown" and "OnMouseUp" - they don't have "OnClick" handlers (you'd need a button for that) |
| 18:48.28 | Xzibit | so would i put ScriptObject:SetScript("OnMouseDown", Function) |
| 18:48.49 | Seerah | replace "ScriptObject" with the name of your frame |
| 18:48.53 | Xzibit | i would put that in my XML? in the <Script> ? |
| 18:49.09 | Seerah | do you want to keep the ability to drag your frame? |
| 18:49.17 | Xzibit | sure |
| 18:49.32 | Xzibit | im unsure of where that line would go :/ |
| 18:49.50 | Seerah | Xzibit: then you need to add to what's there in your OnMouseDown, not replace it. And you don't put that SetScript in your XML - I said that was for Lua |
| 18:50.17 | Legorol | Xzibit: no you either use the <OnMouseDown> tag in your XML file, or you use the object:SetScript call in Lua |
| 18:50.27 | Seerah | <OnMouseDown> |
| 18:50.53 | Seerah | self:StartMoving() |
| 18:50.53 | Seerah | self:SetBackdropColor(r,g,b) |
| 18:50.53 | Seerah | </OnMouseDown> |
| 18:50.53 | Legorol | they are two different, but equivalent ways of defining what code the frame executes when the mouse button is down |
| 18:51.31 | Xzibit | i see Seerah: but lets say.. i click it once its Blue, again its Red, again its Green, again its White |
| 18:51.42 | Legorol | Xzibit: also, you might be confusing <Script> and <Scripts>. Both can appear, but in different places and serving very different purpose |
| 18:51.51 | Xzibit | ah |
| 18:52.07 | Xzibit | Seerah! i'll be back in 2 hrs.. i have class now. |
| 18:52.13 | Xzibit | thanks for your help all. |
| 18:52.15 | Seerah | Xzibit: then you'll need an if-else block to change your colors |
| 18:52.57 | Xzibit | Seerah: do i put the if-else in the Lua? and do i put that in a function call in the Script?.. (i'll get ur annswer when im back) |
| 18:53.08 | Seerah | you can put it in the XML |
| 19:00.57 | Fisker | Adys |
| 19:01.13 | Fisker | Do you know if the movelogfile is still used? |
| 19:01.18 | Fisker | doesn't seem like it |
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| 19:08.51 | Adys | no idea |
| 19:18.13 | alestane | Much win: http://xkcd.com/672/ |
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| 19:25.26 | cog|work | "Psychic Fair cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances" |
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| 19:36.30 | mikma | http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.Net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=128710 |
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| 19:38.28 | Fisker | is it old mikma? |
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| 19:53.58 | Lunessa | alestane: OMFG. |
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| 20:09.51 | zenzelezz | QQs at Realm First Grand Crusader spam |
| 20:10.14 | zenzelezz | or more to the point, the following discussion in trade |
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| 20:10.37 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/273458747 |
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| 20:29.04 | Arrowmaster | so i was just trying to figure out why the hell subtitles werent working in smplayer but where in another mplayer frontend, turned out the 'subtitle visibility' toggle got flipped and its bound to V by default |
| 20:30.22 | Arrowmaster | guessing i must have accidently hit V when hitting space to pause a movie yesterday and thats why the subtitles for the few non english parts of it didnt work in the 2nd half of the movie |
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| 20:57.42 | Adys | why do people say flash fullscreen has issues on linux? |
| 20:57.56 | Adys | I got a youtube video, 1080p fullscreen in chrome |
| 20:57.57 | Adys | no problem |
| 20:58.16 | zenzelezz | I don't know about Flash, but YouTube's fullscreen button always hung my Firefox. Haven't tried it in a while |
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| 21:20.32 | Zernin | is _G[identifier] synonomous with (or a replacement for) GetGlobal(identifier)? |
| 21:23.43 | Xzibit | hello all |
| 21:23.46 | Arrowmaster | _G[tostring(identifier)] is synonomous with GetGlobal(identifier) |
| 21:24.26 | Arrowmaster | the tostring() part isnt important unless you were doing something really weird like GetGlobal(3) |
| 21:25.26 | foxlit | getglobal did tostring? |
| 21:26.18 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 21:33.10 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl5Pfc5TyO0&feature=player_embedded |
| 21:35.36 | Xzibit | ? im getting an error saying its expecting '<eof>'\ |
| 21:37.01 | Xzibit | nvm.. i fixed that... but now my Frame isnt even coming up ingame.. grr |
| 21:38.33 | mikma | frame:SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent) |
| 21:38.41 | mikma | frame:SetWidth(100) |
| 21:38.50 | mikma | frame:SetHeight(100) |
| 21:38.56 | Xzibit | where would i input that ? |
| 21:39.03 | mikma | in your code |
| 21:39.09 | Xzibit | in <frame> ? |
| 21:39.31 | mikma | i dont know because i'm not a psychic |
| 21:39.56 | mikma | and i am off to zzz-land now |
| 21:40.06 | Xzibit | i did <Size x="100" y="45"/> |
| 21:40.23 | AbsolutRayne | Im getting a really wierd bug with WMV |
| 21:40.30 | Xzibit | right under where i defined my Frame |
| 21:42.06 | Xzibit | should i still do what you pit Mikma? or should size do the same? |
| 21:42.22 | Bruners | Xzibit: pimping UI's now as well ? |
| 21:42.46 | Xzibit | lol i was going to say " im horrible at XML" but im horrible at pimpin cars too |
| 21:43.10 | Torhal | !api CreateFrame |
| 21:43.11 | lua_bot | CreateFrame: Creates a new Frame object (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFrame) |
| 21:43.15 | Torhal | :D |
| 21:43.35 | Fisker | SERVERALERT: |
| 21:43.35 | Fisker | December 7, 2009 12:50 PM |
| 21:43.35 | Fisker | We have recently seen an increase in the number of scam messages going out to players. While they may look official, we want to remind players that Blizzard Entertainment will never ask for your password and messages that do this are scams with the intention of stealing your account. Please visit the forums and website for further account security information. |
| 21:43.39 | AbsolutRayne | What the hell is causing this, it makes no sense >_< |
| 21:43.40 | Fisker | Where's my damn patch announcement? |
| 21:43.59 | foxlit | windows media video? |
| 21:44.06 | Torhal | Fisker: Sewn to your arse. |
| 21:44.07 | AbsolutRayne | No, WoW Model Viewer |
| 21:44.11 | Bruners | Fisker: there wont be any patch |
| 21:44.21 | foxlit | The patch is a lie. |
| 21:45.04 | Xzibit | hey Torhal |
| 21:45.11 | Xzibit | where does that go? in the XML ? under where? |
| 21:46.14 | AbsolutRayne | And its doing it in the old version,too. |
| 21:46.16 | AbsolutRayne | What. The. Shit. |
| 21:46.22 | Cairenn | WoWI's Winter Veil Gift Hunt! http://bit.ly/6UVsSX |
| 21:46.26 | Mikk | Xzibit: not in XML. stop using XML. use CreateFrame API and feel the bliss |
| 21:46.29 | Torhal | Xzibit: It isn't XML. That's the Lua method for creating frames. |
| 21:47.03 | foxlit | Meh. Creating UI elements in Lua is... painful, not blissful. |
| 21:47.05 | Xzibit | wow wow. |
| 21:47.14 | foxlit | </opinion> |
| 21:47.15 | Xzibit | CreateFrame API? im using that shitty kit |
| 21:47.18 | Thunder_Child | <3 Cairenn |
| 21:47.23 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:47.34 | Thunder_Child | i need a grunty so i can kill my firends zeggling |
| 21:47.37 | Zernin | CreateFrame is not always the answer... |
| 21:47.39 | AbsolutRayne | Also, is it terrible that im sitting here, waiting for a bad 'Yo Dawg!' joke? |
| 21:47.40 | Thunder_Child | friends* |
| 21:47.44 | Zernin | xml is fine for static elements |
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| 21:49.42 | Xzibit | so your saying create the frames in lau |
| 21:49.51 | Xzibit | lua, |
| 21:50.29 | tem|afk | AbsolutRayne, Yo Dawg is the best meme to ever hit the intertubes |
| 21:50.31 | tem|afk | Ever. |
| 21:51.29 | Xzibit | ok ok ok |
| 21:52.28 | AbsolutRayne | tem|afk: STOP CLOGGIN MAH TOOBS |
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| 21:59.00 | haste | Cairenn: needs more timezone information! |
| 21:59.14 | Cairenn | newp |
| 21:59.29 | haste | why not? |
| 21:59.43 | Cairenn | why do you need more infoz? |
| 21:59.53 | haste | or has it already started :D ? |
| 22:00.01 | Cairenn | no |
| 22:00.08 | Cairenn | next Sunday is first clue |
| 22:00.54 | haste | tired haste is tired |
| 22:01.31 | Cairenn | hugs haste |
| 22:02.16 | Nechckn | Cairenn that sounds sexy! |
| 22:02.29 | Cairenn | hopefully it'll be fun for people |
| 22:02.42 | Nechckn | cute idea =) |
| 22:03.29 | tem | I wonder if it'll be worth crawling the site programatically instead of just looking to find it |
| 22:03.44 | haste | I was thinking exactly the same :P |
| 22:03.52 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:04.00 | Adys | Cairenn: cant you make that some murkies |
| 22:04.03 | Adys | grunties are lame |
| 22:04.09 | Cairenn | Adys: sowwy |
| 22:04.20 | Adys | >:( |
| 22:07.02 | Fisker | patch today or death |
| 22:07.29 | AbsolutRayne | I want a Grunty :( |
| 22:07.30 | Cairenn | I'll take death! No no, sorry, I meant patch! Patch please! |
| 22:07.52 | haste | eddie izzard <3 |
| 22:09.09 | AbsolutRayne | brb, restarting |
| 22:09.22 | Torhal | Cairenn: You didn't say death for whom... |
| 22:09.51 | Cairenn | Torhal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZVjKlBCvhg |
| 22:10.38 | Cairenn | (it's so much better as lego) |
| 22:10.47 | Adys | thats awesome |
| 22:11.31 | Cairenn | s/so much/even/ |
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| 22:13.08 | AbsolutRayne | Cairenn: pokepoke |
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| 22:13.13 | Cairenn | AbsolutRayne: ? |
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| 22:13.28 | AbsolutRayne | Cairenn: You has kittys, right? |
| 22:13.37 | Cairenn | aye, 2 |
| 22:14.30 | AbsolutRayne | Our cat is sitting here. Im guessing theres something in his eye. For 2 days it was fine, just teary, and he didnt even bother it....now its kind of starting to turn red on the inner eyelid and hes pawing it. Vet time? |
| 22:14.36 | Torhal | Cairenn: Heh |
| 22:14.54 | Adys | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYeFcSq7Mxg&feature=related |
| 22:15.00 | Lunessa | AbsolutRayne: yes. |
| 22:16.02 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: just make sure the link cannot be found through a clever use of google |
| 22:16.41 | Adys | yes Cairenn, make sure you put a disallow on it in robots.txt |
| 22:16.49 | haste | :D |
| 22:17.28 | AbsolutRayne | I keep trying to help him Flush it, but the bugger absolutely hates water. We cant even give him a proper bath most of the time >< |
| 22:17.56 | Adys | AbsolutRayne: bring him to the vet |
| 22:19.05 | Nechckn | tosses in vote for the vet, too! |
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| 22:19.29 | DWSR | SHIRIK |
| 22:19.36 | Shirik | DWSR |
| 22:19.46 | DWSR | Did you like? |
| 22:20.05 | Shirik | it was ok |
| 22:20.18 | DWSR | sighs |
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| 22:26.17 | AbsolutRayne | -_- |
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| 22:27.22 | Amarande | soo ... |
| 22:27.24 | Amarande | you guys think it's tomorrow? |
| 22:27.45 | cog|work | wasn't there a build within the last week? |
| 22:28.03 | kd3 | last build was... last wednesday? in release mode |
| 22:28.51 | Amarande | yeah, people think the release mode means that it might be tomorrow |
| 22:29.48 | NightHawkTheSane | people think a lot of dumb things |
| 22:29.53 | A-KO | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/6750373/Tiger-lion-and-bear-form-unusual-friendship.html < :D |
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| 22:34.42 | industrial | This is so awesome I cant describe it so i will tell you what I did; |
| 22:35.18 | industrial | I added a layer to my abundant-peanutbutter sandwich |
| 22:35.26 | industrial | its the greatest thing since sliced bread |
| 22:35.29 | industrial | adding a slice! |
| 22:35.34 | A-KO | did you add baconnaise? |
| 22:35.40 | industrial | noooo |
| 22:35.52 | industrial | more peanutbutter! |
| 22:36.14 | cbreak | you were right |
| 22:36.16 | A-KO | I think it needs some baconnaise |
| 22:36.23 | cbreak | you could not describe why that is so awesome |
| 22:38.46 | industrial | ;) |
| 22:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | so where I work |
| 22:39.35 | ScytheBlade1 | very very very senior guy |
| 22:39.38 | ScytheBlade1 | username of "rapeacock" |
| 22:40.17 | Amarande | you mean like, old enough where that could actually refer to disgusting activities down on the farm? LOL |
| 22:40.43 | industrial | rofl |
| 22:40.46 | industrial | your words man |
| 22:40.50 | Amarande | speaking of down on the farm, I'm not sure yet how long till Alvaerin's sentence of hard labor in the Plaguelands is up. |
| 22:40.52 | Amarande | Damn BS. |
| 22:41.14 | cbreak | any americans in here? Will 3.3 arrive tomorrow? |
| 22:41.28 | A-KO | that's what they're saying |
| 22:41.30 | AbsolutRayne | WE DUN KNOW |
| 22:41.46 | Amarande | cbreak: it will arrive on Tuesday. :) |
| 22:42.00 | Amarande | On Tuesday. Soon. :D |
| 22:42.15 | Thunder_Child | and what do americans have to do with that? |
| 22:42.27 | cbreak | They are one day closer to patch day |
| 22:42.42 | Amarande | Yeah, in Europe the patch will come out on a Wednesday 'soon'. |
| 22:42.48 | cbreak | well, I guess australians are even closer |
| 22:42.55 | cbreak | ... actually, they aren't |
| 22:42.59 | cbreak | is confused |
| 22:43.48 | Amarande | yay for 650+g in my mailbox. |
| 22:44.00 | Amarande | cbreak: actually, aussies will get theirs on Wednesday too, their time, I think |
| 22:44.04 | Zernin | uhhm, dosen't the date line cause europe to patch on the same "day" as america? As in well under a 24 hour gap regardless of the day of the week? |
| 22:44.13 | Amarande | Zernin: no. |
| 22:44.17 | Amarande | Europe patches a day later than America. |
| 22:44.35 | Amarande | Australia patches at the same ABSOLUTE TIME as America, but on Europe's DAY, because their clock is a day later than America's. |
| 22:47.32 | KarlKFI|work | absolute time? |
| 22:47.37 | Fisker | giev paaaaaatch |
| 22:47.39 | KarlKFI|work | is that like abosolute truth? |
| 22:47.52 | KarlKFI|work | spelled correctly |
| 22:47.55 | Fisker | paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch |
| 22:48.07 | Thunder_Child | ...*sigh* why can you not run the 32 and 64 bit javas side by side! |
| 22:48.25 | Amarande | I mean, Australia and America patch at the same time, as would be obvious if everyone would just use UTC and fuck this timezone shit. :D |
| 22:48.26 | KarlKFI|work | why can't you upgrade from 32bit windows to 64bit? |
| 22:48.52 | Amarande | But it looks weird because we *do* use stupid time zones. |
| 22:48.52 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI|work: because a program i am trying to use wont use the 64-bit |
| 22:49.28 | Amarande | oh jesus christ. |
| 22:49.30 | KarlKFI|work | Amarande: woudl you prefer to adjust your clock when you travel or would you like to always be asking "What time is night here?" |
| 22:49.35 | Amarande | I finally get a nice load of gold from the AH |
| 22:49.42 | Amarande | AND NOW THERE AREN'T ANY THORIUM BARS TO BUY |
| 22:49.43 | Amarande | dammit |
| 22:49.54 | Amarande | I really didn't want to have to wander around EPL long enough to mine 199 more bars :| |
| 22:49.57 | Amarande | or is it 209 |
| 22:50.00 | Amarande | something like that anyway |
| 22:50.17 | Amarande | I swear, I'm cursed or something. |
| 22:50.39 | Shirik | batrick: ping |
| 22:50.41 | Amarande | If there's plenty of stuff on the AH then I'm out of money and can only buy a little before I have to go farming anyway. |
| 22:50.50 | Amarande | If I have plenty of money, then the stuff just isn't ON the bloody AH. |
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| 22:51.57 | Fisker | i'm playing the game Shirik |
| 22:53.15 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, solution: keep a money reserve |
| 22:55.18 | Amarande | Zorba: that's only practical when you don't need 200+ thorium bars. |
| 22:55.34 | Amarande | when you do, when you get money, it generally goes right away to thorium ore or bars so you don't have to spend the rest of your life in EPL. |
| 22:55.49 | Amarande | because honestly, I'm not even sure if it's all that efficient to farm thorium compared to buying it |
| 22:56.06 | Amarande | after all, especially if I'm out at the Plaguelands, I can farm Scholomance and Strat and probably make more money doing that than mindlessly wandering around to mine |
| 22:56.24 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, that's only a problem if you're trying to produce stuff outside your economic ability |
| 22:56.29 | ZorbaBeta | I mean I've bought hundreds of thorium bars at a time |
| 22:56.38 | ZorbaBeta | because I have the cash reserves to handle it :P |
| 22:56.42 | Amarande | Zorba: grinding BS to 300 can easily suck your economic reserves dry :P |
| 22:56.59 | Torhal | Amarande: Not if you have 40k gold |
| 22:57.06 | ZorbaBeta | hope you're at least DEing everything you make ;) |
| 22:57.12 | Amarande | yeah, that I do |
| 22:57.18 | Amarande | except for a few things that were BoP and had to be vendored |
| 22:57.24 | ZorbaBeta | *nod* |
| 22:57.27 | Amarande | stupid ornate thorium axes ... thank gods I only made 5 |
| 22:59.55 | NightHawkTheSane | bought a traveller's tundra mammoth yesterday, is kind of poor now. >< |
| 23:03.56 | Fisker | In the expansion they'll make guild-sized mounts with raid instances for 20g |
| 23:05.14 | Fisker | can't wait to do a couple of weeks of AV before cataclysm |
| 23:05.40 | Xzibit | what event is getting a Killing Blow? |
| 23:08.46 | DWSR | It's not. |
| 23:08.50 | DWSR | I don't think |
| 23:09.45 | AbsolutRayne | I actually found something remotely funny on Collegehumor |
| 23:09.54 | DWSR | Xzibit: Nevermind, it's a combat log event. |
| 23:10.00 | DWSR | Xzibit: You're looking for slain |
| 23:10.47 | Fisker | i should sleep |
| 23:10.52 | Fisker | but i just drank a bottle of cola |
| 23:11.05 | Fisker | caffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiine |
| 23:11.18 | Antiarc | Hrm |
| 23:11.28 | Antiarc | How likely is a 3rd party D3D driver to run afoul of Warden? |
| 23:11.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably not very likely |
| 23:11.46 | ScytheBlade1 | points at wine |
| 23:11.50 | Antiarc | Because http://i.imgur.com/56axI.jpg is purty. |
| 23:11.57 | Antiarc | Ah, this is true! |
| 23:12.28 | ScytheBlade1 | HLSL? |
| 23:12.33 | ScytheBlade1 | !g HLSL |
| 23:12.34 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: High Level Shader Language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Level_Shader_Language> |
| 23:12.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 23:14.52 | Thunder_Child | seriously bad ping in wow for no reason |
| 23:14.55 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 23:22.45 | Xzibit | does anyone know the Killing Blow Event? i cant seem to find it |
| 23:22.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Because there isn't one |
| 23:22.56 | ScytheBlade1 | There is a UNIT_DIED |
| 23:23.00 | ScytheBlade1 | But that doesn't say much |
| 23:23.30 | Xzibit | then should i have my addon Reference the Combat Log ? |
| 23:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | The nearest you can get is the standard combat log events, and watch for the "overkill" return |
| 23:23.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Which may or may not be accurate (see: paladin ressing) |
| 23:23.54 | Xzibit | what do u mean overkill |
| 23:24.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Unit took X points more damage than they had HP |
| 23:24.13 | ScytheBlade1 | If that value >0, chances are, they died |
| 23:24.31 | theorbtwo | "Chances are"? How do you have overkill without killing? |
| 23:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Paladin resurrection on death |
| 23:24.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure they died, but they actually kept going. |
| 23:25.24 | theorbtwo | Aha. |
| 23:25.47 | ScytheBlade1 | If there is one thing I've learned from WoW addons, it is that there are exceptions to /every/ rule. |
| 23:25.51 | ScytheBlade1 | (Within WoW.) |
| 23:26.09 | A-KO | does the game not throttle chat/guild messages? |
| 23:31.23 | Arrowmaster | there should be a specific event in the combatlog for saying who killed what |
| 23:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | UNIT_DIED, iirc |
| 23:33.40 | Amarande | Wait, isn't it SHAMANS who resurrect on death? |
| 23:33.43 | Amarande | not paladins? |
| 23:33.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ardent defender |
| 23:33.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Shaman can click a button to do it |
| 23:33.59 | Amarande | ah, I haven't played a paladin since BC, I'm not up to date :S |
| 23:33.59 | NightHawkTheSane | when a pally is reduced to 0, it procs and heals them some. |
| 23:34.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Paladins, it is automatic |
| 23:34.17 | Amarande | and probably won't play a pally for quite a while, actually |
| 23:34.24 | Amarande | since it doesn't fit my stable of alts |
| 23:34.43 | Amarande | that's something to go on the "list of things to possibly do after I've gotten my profession stable squared away" |
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| 23:39.46 | Adys | http://www.google.com/trends |
| 23:39.51 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.51 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.31 | Amarande | Adys: Heh. |
| 23:42.39 | Amarande | Is that silly thing about the parakeet still there too? |
| 23:50.21 | NightHawkTheSane | This is kind of amusing: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126014168569179245.html?mod=wsj_share_reddit |
| 23:50.44 | Xzibit | erro: |
| 23:50.47 | Xzibit | Message: [string "BgCounter:OnEvent"]:1: attempt to call global 'BgCounter_OnEvent' (a nil value) |
| 23:50.47 | Xzibit | Time: 12/07/09 18:50:19 |
| 23:50.47 | Xzibit | Count: 1 |
| 23:50.48 | Xzibit | Stack: [string "Interface\FrameXML\BasicControls.xml:<Scrip..."]:18: in function <[string "Interface\FrameXML\BasicControls.xml:<Scrip..."]:4> |
| 23:50.48 | Xzibit | (tail call): ? |
| 23:50.49 | Xzibit | [C]: in function `BgCounter_OnEvent' |
| 23:50.51 | Xzibit | [string "*:OnEvent"]:1: in function <[string "*:OnEvent"]:1> |
| 23:50.54 | Xzibit | wtf does that shit mean |
| 23:52.21 | kd3 | ouch; paste errors in http://wowuidev.pastey.net and send the link to chat |
| 23:52.25 | kd3 | the very first line tells you what's wrong |
| 23:52.37 | kd3 | it can't find your BgCounter_OnEvent function |
| 23:53.14 | Xzibit | ok i may have fixed this |
| 23:54.10 | Xzibit | ok i got that - but now this - ..."]:2: attempt to index global 'ScriptErrors' (a nil value) |
| 23:54.43 | kd3 | are you trying to call that? |
| 23:55.01 | Xzibit | im not trying to call ScriptErrors |
| 23:56.06 | Xzibit | is it because the variable im trying to have it incriment is outside of functions ? |
| 23:57.01 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 23:57.25 | Dagmar | It's very clearly saying that BgCounter_OnEvent has not properly been defined in the scope your code is currently in |
| 23:58.03 | Xzibit | where would i initialize a variable i want to start as 0 , but when onevent is it i want it to incriment to 1, save it as one.. then wait for next onevent |
| 23:58.38 | Dagmar | Hopefully in the scope you intend to use it |
| 23:59.29 | Xzibit | where would i initialize it if i cant put it outside of a function |
| 23:59.43 | Dagmar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_variable_scoping |
| 23:59.57 | Dagmar | I think that might be the place to start |
