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| 00:16.16 | NightHawkTheSane | bioware rpg cliche chart: http://gza.gameriot.com/content/images/orig_320200_1_1257581825.png |
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| 00:19.03 | DWSR | lol NHTS |
| 00:19.09 | DWSR | Amazing how that works, innit? |
| 00:19.15 | DWSR | And I would say that those are all pretty good games |
| 00:19.53 | smcn | NightHawkTheSane: i would actually say that mass effect would fall into "you hail from humble origins" if you pick earthborn :P |
| 00:19.59 | smcn | even though you don't experience |
| 00:20.04 | smcn | it |
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| 00:24.04 | f1Ist4r | anyone know how to call function in SetScript() and use increment ? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127915 |
| 00:25.42 | DWSR | refactor? |
| 00:27.35 | f1Ist4r | i ant to call BUTTTON1Click() , BUTTTON2Click() .... |
| 00:27.44 | f1Ist4r | want* |
| 00:28.05 | DWSR | refactor. |
| 00:28.30 | alestane | Not being fully sure what you're trying to do, I suspect that by [[button:SetScript("OnClick", function() _G["BUTTON"..i.."Click()"] end)]], you mean [[button:SetScript("OnClick", function() _G["BUTTON"..i.."Click"]() end)]]. |
| 00:29.00 | alestane | But that code structure indicates that you're probably approaching the problem in an overcomplicated way. |
| 00:29.59 | alestane | For instance, you could also change it to |
| 00:29.59 | alestane | button:SetScript("OnClick", G["BUTTON"..i.."Click"] ) end), which would be a start. |
| 00:30.30 | f1Ist4r | button:SetScript("OnClick", function() _G["BUTTON"..i.."Click"]() end) <--- good one ;) |
| 00:30.48 | f1Ist4r | thx alot ! |
| 00:31.12 | Yssaril | f1Ist4r: why are you working with globals (especialy globals with generic names) |
| 00:31.30 | alestane | But seriously, button:SetScript("OnClick", G["BUTTON"..i.."Click"] ) member:end) will have the same overall effect, but more efficiently and concisely. |
| 00:32.20 | alestane | button:SetScript("OnClick", G["BUTTON"..i.."Click"] ) , rather. |
| 00:32.45 | alestane | That way, when someone clicks button 1, BUTTON1Click will be called directly. |
| 00:33.33 | f1Ist4r | Yssaril it's my 1st addon .... try and error, i look othe addon and try and try again |
| 00:34.35 | Yssaril | f1Ist4r: lesson one try to stay away from globals unless there is no other way |
| 00:35.12 | Yssaril | lesson two when creating globals always use very specific names such as MyAddon_Button_1 |
| 00:35.32 | alestane | Where instead of MyAddon, you use whatever you're calling your addon. |
| 00:35.40 | Yssaril | yep :) |
| 00:36.21 | Yssaril | if you don't do this you elevate the risk of somone else using the exact same global (even though they shouldn't) and creating havoc in your addon |
| 00:36.39 | f1Ist4r | ok, global can be called by other addon ? and create conflict between 2 addons ? |
| 00:36.48 | Yssaril | yea |
| 00:36.49 | f1Ist4r | ahhhh ok ! |
| 00:37.25 | Yssaril | also when giving frams names the same rule applies since frame names are also globals |
| 00:37.32 | f1Ist4r | i'll go sleep a bit less stupid tonight ! |
| 00:37.53 | Yssaril | f1Ist4r: hehe we all had to start somewhere |
| 00:37.56 | alestane | I personally avoid giving frames names at all if I can. |
| 00:39.22 | alestane | But yes. Globals are, well, global. All add-ons, as well as the interface before you add any add-ons to it, share the same set of globals (this isn't quite true, but trying to explain why not right now would be more confusing than useful). |
| 00:41.51 | alestane | And (this part may be a little confusing) all the functions you call to make things happen in WoW are also global variables. |
| 00:42.09 | f1Ist4r | short story, i must use RP_BUTTON1_OnClick() and not BUTTON1_OnClick() ... |
| 00:42.26 | theorbtwo | thinks "RP_" is too short a prefix. |
| 00:42.35 | f1Ist4r | lol oki |
| 00:42.51 | Yssaril | f1Ist4r: whats your full addon name? |
| 00:42.58 | f1Ist4r | RaidPickup |
| 00:43.04 | Yssaril | use that :P |
| 00:43.07 | f1Ist4r | yeah |
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| 00:44.55 | f1Ist4r | for creation too ? like local f = CreateFrame("FRAME", "RaidPickupMain", UIParent), i should use local raipickupframe = CreateFrame("FRAME", "RaidPickupMain", UIParent) ? |
| 00:45.32 | alestane | Or, you can use only a single global, and put a table in it, which has your other functions, a la: |
| 00:45.32 | alestane | RaidPickup = {} |
| 00:45.32 | alestane | RaidPickup.Click = { some_function1, some_function2, some_function3, some_function4} |
| 00:45.32 | alestane | button:SetScript("OnClick", RaidPickup.Click[i]) |
| 00:45.55 | alestane | With local variables, it doesn't matter WUITE as much what you call them. |
| 00:45.58 | alestane | QUITE* |
| 00:46.06 | f1Ist4r | 0_o |
| 00:46.30 | theorbtwo | I do love the linux kernel coding style document for things like this. |
| 00:46.52 | theorbtwo | Obviously, it's for C, not Lua, but quite a lot of it is applicable to all programming. |
| 00:47.16 | alestane | Or, if it's easier to understand, you could write it as: |
| 00:47.17 | alestane | RaidPickup.Click = {} |
| 00:47.17 | alestane | function RaidPickup.Click[1] () |
| 00:47.17 | alestane | -- blahblah |
| 00:47.17 | alestane | end |
| 00:48.02 | f1Ist4r | ahh ok ! |
| 00:48.24 | alestane | So in this case, you'd say "function RaidPickup.Click[1] ()" instead of "function RaidPickup_BUTTON1_Click ()". |
| 00:48.40 | f1Ist4r | ok |
| 00:48.43 | f1Ist4r | thx ;) |
| 00:48.55 | alestane | That said, there's still a lot you could do to improve your style, but if you can get your brain around that, you'll be moving in the right direction. |
| 00:49.03 | theorbtwo | (Which also lets you do nice things like iterate across all your buttons, of course.) |
| 00:52.29 | DWSR | can you do /run [nomounted]? |
| 00:52.42 | alestane | DWSR: Not by default. |
| 00:52.54 | alestane | There are ways to mock it up. |
| 00:53.09 | alestane | Give an example of what you'd want to write? |
| 00:53.10 | DWSR | /run ~IsMounted? |
| 00:53.38 | DWSR | /run CallCompanion("CRITTER") |
| 00:53.44 | DWSR | /run CallCompanion("CRITTER",1) |
| 00:54.18 | alestane | !api IsMounted |
| 00:54.19 | lua_bot | IsMounted: Returns whether the player is mounted (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsMounted) |
| 00:54.25 | f1Ist4r | ok, so something like this is good ? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127917 |
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| 00:54.56 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.05 | alestane | DWSR: Is that the sort of thing you mean? |
| 00:55.14 | DWSR | alestane: Yeah, figured it was something easy. |
| 00:55.29 | DWSR | Trying to combine my rdm mount macro and GiveMeX's Pet macro. |
| 00:56.34 | alestane | You could also do something like /run loadstring(SecureCmdOptionParse("[nomounted] CallCompanion("CRITTER", 1)"))(), but that doesn't work as written and can generate some real headaches for dubious benefit. |
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| 00:57.10 | DWSR | Hm. |
| 00:57.12 | DWSR | Interesting. |
| 00:57.41 | alestane | f1Ist4r: Closer, although it won't work like that. If you use a global variable before you say what it should be, it's still nil. |
| 00:57.45 | DWSR | alestane: How can I generate a random number from x-y? |
| 00:57.53 | alestane | Give me a second and I'll see if I can show you what it should look like. |
| 00:58.01 | f1Ist4r | ok |
| 00:58.06 | alestane | DWSR: math.random(x, y) |
| 00:58.36 | DWSR | Awesome, tyvm |
| 00:59.21 | DWSR | ~api Companion |
| 00:59.22 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Companion |
| 01:00.48 | ScytheBlade1 | er |
| 01:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | !api companion |
| 01:01.09 | lua_bot | Found 8 possible results for 'companion': DismissCompanion, CallCompanion, GetNumCompanions, COMPANION_LEARNED, GetCompanionInfo, COMPANION_UPDATE, PickupCompanion, GetCompanionCooldown |
| 01:01.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I think is what you wanted |
| 01:01.26 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 01:01.37 | Jerub | sigh. |
| 01:01.43 | DWSR | No way to check if a companion is out already, eh?\ |
| 01:01.45 | Jerub | I was hoping for GetFemaleCompanions() |
| 01:01.49 | DWSR | lol |
| 01:02.00 | alestane | DWSR: I believe it's a return from GetCompanionInfo. |
| 01:02.07 | alestane | !api GetCompanionInfo |
| 01:02.08 | lua_bot | GetCompanionInfo: Returns information about a non-combat pet or mount (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCompanionInfo) |
| 01:02.15 | theorbtwo | Jerub: Just use PickupCompanion! |
| 01:02.21 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 01:02.26 | theorbtwo | !api PickupCompanion |
| 01:02.27 | lua_bot | PickupCompanion: Puts a non-combat pet or mount onto the cursor (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/PickupCompanion) |
| 01:02.27 | Jerub | theorbtwo: ah hah! of course. |
| 01:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Well played |
| 01:02.46 | DWSR | alestane: Right, but I want to know of *a* companion is summoned, and summon it if not. |
| 01:02.55 | DWSR | s/it if/a random one if/ |
| 01:03.19 | alestane | Then you iterate over all of them and check to any return 1 for the fifth return value. |
| 01:03.28 | DWSR | Probably a bit much for a macro. |
| 01:03.33 | alestane | to *see if* any |
| 01:03.39 | theorbtwo | Hm, is there a unitid suffix for "the companion pet of"? |
| 01:03.44 | alestane | No. |
| 01:10.43 | alestane | f1Ist4r: Here's the version of what you tried to do that actually works: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127920-2wub |
| 01:11.50 | f1Ist4r | k |
| 01:12.23 | alestane | If you want all the buttons to do basically the same thing as in your example, you can condense it even further, like this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127921-2kir |
| 01:13.22 | f1Ist4r | nice ! |
| 01:13.36 | f1Ist4r | merci/thanks :P |
| 01:14.14 | alestane | de rien. |
| 01:18.05 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
| 01:18.23 | Shirik | no |
| 01:18.27 | Shirik | your zzzs are unauthorized |
| 01:19.08 | Lopeppeppy | ZzzzzzzZZZZzzzzzzzz |
| 01:19.16 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy can always do what she wants |
| 01:19.38 | Jerub | Sigh. alliance transfer guild have kindly asked me to join their first 10man team as a healer. |
| 01:19.40 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. *huggle* |
| 01:19.47 | Jerub | but I don't want to leave my wonderful guild :( |
| 01:20.20 | WobWork | transfer -to- alliance |
| 01:20.23 | WobWork | or from alliance |
| 01:20.35 | Jerub | oh, right. |
| 01:20.40 | Jerub | I'm on horde/dath'remar. |
| 01:20.41 | WobWork | cause transfer -to- alliance is a silly thing |
| 01:20.51 | Shirik | you don't want a formerly-alliance guild |
| 01:20.52 | WobWork | who'd want to do that? =( |
| 01:20.53 | Shirik | stay horde |
| 01:21.03 | Jerub | and <GOAT> transferred to our faction/realm within the last fortnight. |
| 01:21.27 | Jerub | don't really know where they came from. |
| 01:21.37 | WobWork | I really wish they'd reduce the price of cross faction + realm transfers |
| 01:21.39 | Lopeppeppy | If you don't want to do it, don't do it. |
| 01:21.47 | WobWork | especially to unbalanced servers |
| 01:22.04 | WobWork | like waive the faction transfer fee |
| 01:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | man. VNC to a VM running on my desktop, from my laptop, to connect to a citrix session at work which is actually a VM in and of itself. |
| 01:22.45 | WobWork | metaScytheBlade1 |
| 01:22.49 | ScytheBlade1 | All I can think about is the huge amount of overhead involved that it took for me to open excel. |
| 01:25.11 | Jerub | WobWork: to provide that, they'd have to expose some kind of census data |
| 01:25.18 | Jerub | which they're loathe to do :/ |
| 01:26.27 | NightHawkTheSane | http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5586/mrow.jpg |
| 01:27.53 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS: Awwwww. |
| 01:28.20 | alestane | Adorabubble. |
| 01:28.23 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: that's... |
| 01:28.31 | WobWork | the cuteness is magnified |
| 01:28.38 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 01:33.23 | alestane | Cuteness multiplier effect! |
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| 01:51.53 | p3lim | I need some help with testing, preferably someone with a hunter at level 74-79 |
| 01:52.20 | p3lim | Or enhancement shaman at same levels |
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| 02:18.30 | p3lim | Anyone know of a way for a lvl 68 char to ride a vehicle? |
| 02:18.44 | Adys | get on a mammoth |
| 02:18.59 | Thunder_Child | or a cycle |
| 02:19.17 | Shirik | stabs OpenGL |
| 02:19.28 | Adys | fiercly defends OpenGl |
| 02:19.37 | Thunder_Child | watches OpenGL stab Shirik |
| 02:19.59 | p3lim | With controls |
| 02:20.16 | Shirik | apparently my computer has no hardware acceleration, 0 bytes of video memory, and supports up to a whopping resolution of 0x0 with 0 bits per pixel |
| 02:20.34 | p3lim | Sounds like a driver issue |
| 02:20.43 | Adys | sounds like you need a better computer |
| 02:20.44 | Thunder_Child | p3lim, strand? |
| 02:20.53 | Thunder_Child | i dont know what the lvl limit is there |
| 02:20.53 | p3lim | 70+ |
| 02:21.04 | Shirik | it's not a driver issue |
| 02:21.08 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, nice hardware you've got there, Shirik. |
| 02:21.20 | Lopeppeppy | Is it plugged in? *teasing* |
| 02:21.28 | Thunder_Child | p3lim, begining space goat has a mount quest |
| 02:21.40 | Thunder_Child | area* |
| 02:21.45 | p3lim | Hm.. |
| 02:21.45 | Adys | p3lim: there are some quests in borean tundra |
| 02:21.47 | kd3 | though it's a 'mount', not a vehicle |
| 02:21.57 | Adys | vehicles with controls weren't in bc |
| 02:22.07 | kd3 | there's also a quest in howling fjord at the dig in the northwest |
| 02:22.08 | p3lim | Adys: those are quite far in if I remember |
| 02:22.40 | p3lim | As in prequests/chains |
| 02:22.47 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: wyrmrest temple daily |
| 02:22.51 | p3lim | 71+ |
| 02:23.07 | kd3 | the wyrmrest daily's also at the end of a ~25-step chain |
| 02:23.09 | Thunder_Child | go do occy |
| 02:23.11 | p3lim | true |
| 02:23.16 | Arrowmaster | it is? |
| 02:23.19 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:23.20 | Lopeppeppy | what's the level for a motorcycle? 80 I assume? |
| 02:23.20 | p3lim | occulus is 78+ |
| 02:23.25 | Thunder_Child | you will be under lvl but i think you can still get in |
| 02:23.42 | p3lim | what motorcycle? |
| 02:23.48 | Thunder_Child | the mount |
| 02:23.48 | Adys | chopper |
| 02:23.49 | Lopeppeppy | crafted |
| 02:23.49 | Arrowmaster | theres lowbie quests in borean tundra that im guessing will let a 68 do them |
| 02:23.51 | kd3 | again; steel gate in howling fjord |
| 02:24.03 | Arrowmaster | but those quests are horde that i know of |
| 02:24.03 | kd3 | I'm pretty sure that one doesn't have much in the way of prereqs |
| 02:24.07 | p3lim | cba using 16k gold for testing an addon |
| 02:24.13 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Howling_Fjord_quests#Steel_Gate.2FChillmere_Coast |
| 02:24.19 | p3lim | kd3: does that have prequests? |
| 02:24.19 | Adys | p3lim: cheapo |
| 02:24.25 | Adys | they dont have controls anyway |
| 02:24.31 | Arrowmaster | you could just level up |
| 02:24.42 | p3lim | Adys: really, I have it on my main but cba using 16k on an alt i never play |
| 02:25.04 | kd3 | I dunno if it depends elsewhere in the zone, I don't think so |
| 02:25.17 | p3lim | I'll have to see |
| 02:25.18 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:I%27ve_Got_a_Flying_Machine! |
| 02:25.52 | Arrowmaster | you need something with the vehicle action bar right? |
| 02:26.08 | kd3 | that's the lowest-level quest I can think of using the vehicle UI |
| 02:26.18 | kd3 | alliance-side, at least |
| 02:26.56 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: not the action bar |
| 02:27.22 | p3lim | im testing how my experience bar plug-in for oUF works with its vehicle swap support |
| 02:28.03 | p3lim | kd3: I'll get to 69 and do it, has to be the easiest one yeah |
| 02:28.57 | p3lim | already 73% into 68 so :) |
| 02:29.29 | p3lim | is there a level requirement for vehicles in wintergrasp? |
| 02:30.13 | kd3 | 77 |
| 02:30.22 | p3lim | meh ok |
| 02:32.26 | p3lim | neat, the steel gate one is a daily too |
| 02:32.34 | kd3 | yes |
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| 02:34.38 | Hirsute | Heh. Someone finally reported my main's name (Randallthor) and I had to change it today. |
| 02:35.23 | Seerah | heh |
| 02:35.26 | p3lim | Free name changes = win |
| 02:35.30 | Hirsute | I've had people complaining about it for years, but have never felt like shelling out the $25 to change it. |
| 02:35.38 | Seerah | p3lim: not if you don't want to change it :p |
| 02:35.43 | Hirsute | Finally got to, today. |
| 02:35.51 | p3lim | :p |
| 02:36.04 | Hirsute | Seerah: Meh. I didn't particularly care. I've actually had a name in mind to change it to for a while, should anyone ever decide to report it. |
| 02:36.07 | p3lim | I remember a rogue on my old server that was forced to change his name |
| 02:36.24 | p3lim | He was well known on the server too, and there were huge flame wars against GMs on the forums |
| 02:36.33 | p3lim | Tell me, what is wrong with "Tossbag" ? |
| 02:37.08 | Seerah | reminds me of bean bag toss... |
| 02:37.54 | Legorol | p3lim: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tossbag |
| 02:38.05 | p3lim | We used to have tossbags for gymnastics when I went at highschool or something |
| 02:38.05 | p3lim | http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/cartoon/images/Superhero/marvel-tossbag.JPG |
| 02:38.21 | Hirsute | Hehe. They even sent me a nastygram ingame about it. |
| 02:40.25 | Yssaril | Hirsute: what was wrong with your mains name? (i don't see anything wrong with it) |
| 02:40.48 | kd3 | rand al'thor, the dragon reborn |
| 02:40.50 | Hirsute | Yssaril: Rand Al'Thor is the main character in the Wheel of Time series (prominent fantasy novels) |
| 02:41.45 | Yssaril | ahhh (still don't see a problem wiht it how many damn legolasses (and variations theroff) are out there) |
| 02:42.11 | Hirsute | Aye, it took them *years* to flag me, though, so for a lot of those others it's only a matter of time. |
| 02:42.14 | WobWork | legolass can probably be argued that it's not actually Legolas |
| 02:42.51 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, not very effectively. :) |
| 02:42.54 | Hirsute | Though it still wouldn't work on my realm (RP realm). That'd fall under the non-rp naming. |
| 02:42.58 | Hirsute | Lego Lass |
| 02:43.00 | Lopeppeppy | You're left with trademarked Legos instead. |
| 02:43.05 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 02:44.04 | Yssaril | lol my name is from Twilight Imperium (boardgame) |
| 02:49.18 | Hirsute | Hey Yssaril: Are you the developer of Mounted? |
| 02:49.39 | Yssaril | Hirsute: depends on who is asking |
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| 02:49.58 | Hirsute | (I like it, thank you!) |
| 02:50.13 | Yssaril | in that case yes i am :P |
| 02:50.20 | Hirsute | Heheh. |
| 02:50.52 | Yssaril | makes my personal mount experiance so much easier just having to hit one button :) |
| 02:51.06 | Hirsute | *nod* I also love Critters. I just need to figure out how to make it not freak out if I have a toon with no flying mount in an area where one can fly. |
| 02:51.20 | Hirsute | I need to brush up on my macro-fu |
| 02:52.05 | Yssaril | one of these days i will rework that horrible stepchild of mounted /sigh |
| 02:52.51 | Hirsute | Note that the second part of my statement was directed at Mounted, rather than Critters. And really, I love Critters. |
| 02:53.59 | Yssaril | hehe its been throwing errors for me now and then :P (and it was created as an afterthought to mounted (cut out most of the code for mounted renamed it and that was it)) |
| 02:54.51 | Yssaril | as for the other problem it shouldn't freak out at all |
| 02:54.58 | Yssaril | does it throw any errors? |
| 03:07.33 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 03:07.49 | Shirik | Are DirectX and OpenGL somehow related? (Aside from the fact that they're both APIs which support 3d graphics) |
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| 03:08.07 | NightHawkTheSane | not really? i think they're competing technologies |
| 03:08.10 | Shirik | Like does Windows proxy OpenGL through DirectX or something? |
| 03:08.27 | Arrowmaster | vista and higher might |
| 03:08.33 | NightHawkTheSane | that'd be weird |
| 03:08.50 | Shirik | I finally found the solution to my problem, but the answer was "set SDL_VIDEODRIVER=directx environment variable" and this is an OpenGL application |
| 03:08.59 | Shirik | and it's still drawing correctly, etc. |
| 03:24.01 | ScytheBlade1 | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1435148&cid=30018762 |
| 03:26.18 | Hirsute | Yssaril: Sorry, was putting the kids to bed. Nah, it just says "Unrecognized Macro." |
| 03:26.29 | Hirsute | In the chatbox, I believe. |
| 03:26.37 | Trela | ScytheBlade1: That comment is epic. |
| 03:26.51 | ScytheBlade1 | So beyond epic |
| 03:27.05 | ScytheBlade1 | There are really no words to describe it |
| 03:30.43 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:30.46 | Shirik | fetusnack (tm) |
| 03:32.01 | Kraps | whoa the twilight saga wiki |
| 03:34.13 | Kraps | gah my eyes |
| 03:34.50 | Trela | Stop looking. |
| 03:35.02 | Kraps | yeah |
| 03:44.08 | Shirik | "This 'pig' of which you speak, it makes pork chops and spare ribs? We'll take 100 million of 'em, and your elected governments have also signed over a few million of your lower-caste citizens as a fringe benefit. Thanks for the tasty addition to the menu, here's a cure for cancer, we'll be back in 50 years for seconds!" |
| 03:44.10 | Shirik | win |
| 03:48.28 | WobWork | hehe |
| 03:48.33 | WobWork | it's a well written comment =) |
| 03:48.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Riffage- (n=nnscript@78-86-205-138.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 03:51.59 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:52.05 | Shirik | You are an intelligent man |
| 03:52.37 | Shirik | If I make an OpenGL call on Windows 7, does it just go through DirectX? |
| 03:54.34 | Shirik | I'll take that as a "yes" |
| 03:54.35 | Shirik | ty |
| 04:08.45 | Adys | son of a sex |
| 04:08.48 | Adys | got google wave invites |
| 04:09.02 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 04:14.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (i=lolgourr@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 04:14.54 | Fisker | WHAT ARE YOU DOOOOOOOING |
| 04:15.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: giiiiiiiiiiive |
| 04:15.11 | Adys | email |
| 04:16.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Sargeras (n=Sargeras@75.80.16.10) |
| 04:21.09 | WobWork | It's weird |
| 04:21.13 | WobWork | I had an invite |
| 04:21.20 | WobWork | but I can't find it anymore |
| 04:21.41 | WobWork | oh here it is |
| 04:21.44 | WobWork | in my work account |
| 04:21.46 | WobWork | naturally |
| 04:23.23 | Fisker | slaps WobWork around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:35.03 | Hirsute | Only down side to the name change is going through all my sv files and changing the character name so that my settings don't stay borked. |
| 04:37.38 | Thunder_Child | i think Jonathan Coulton is clinicly insane |
| 04:37.49 | Fisker | you wouldn't kill a sv |
| 04:39.51 | Torhal | Fisker: Put your penile erectile dysfunction away. |
| 04:40.23 | Thunder_Child | Torhal, can you even have ED w/o a penis? |
| 04:40.39 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: He's giving it to others. |
| 04:41.14 | Thunder_Child | i only mean it seems reddunant to use it |
| 04:41.36 | Thunder_Child | redundant* |
| 04:42.27 | Torhal | It is, but I didn't want him to misunderstand. |
| 04:42.52 | Fisker | :( |
| 04:43.07 | Fisker | Torhal looking forward to the SC2 beta? |
| 04:43.53 | Thunder_Child | thats the reason i donlt like to watch the battle reports....it makes me want to play....a lot |
| 04:44.13 | Fisker | well the beta has been delayed to 2010 |
| 04:44.18 | Fisker | Just thought i'd let you know |
| 04:44.19 | Fisker | jerk :( |
| 04:44.27 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 04:44.54 | Fisker | naw |
| 04:45.00 | Shirik | Adys, you lie |
| 04:45.21 | Fisker | you haven't used Wave enough Shirik |
| 04:45.22 | Fisker | you fail |
| 04:45.27 | Shirik | negative |
| 04:45.37 | Fisker | Positive |
| 04:45.46 | Fisker | Even Alyssa Milano got invites |
| 04:46.17 | Torhal | Fisker: Actually, I am. |
| 04:46.21 | Shirik | I have invites |
| 04:46.27 | Shirik | in fact, I have someone else's invites |
| 04:46.31 | Fisker | baaaaaaaw |
| 04:46.39 | Fisker | hah Torhal it's delayed to 2010 |
| 04:46.43 | Hirsute | <--Needs an invite! |
| 04:46.49 | Shirik | Adys |
| 04:46.52 | Shirik | linux is mean to me |
| 04:47.05 | Antiarc | I have two weapons with identical gems and enchants. How do I identify one over the other for the purposes of equipping? |
| 04:47.11 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, you are incorrect |
| 04:47.13 | Antiarc | Different temp enchants. |
| 04:47.25 | Hirsute | Antiarc: I don't think you can, unfortunately. |
| 04:47.25 | Fisker | And if you have none?! |
| 04:47.32 | Fisker | i am correct Thunder_Child |
| 04:47.33 | Fisker | :( |
| 04:47.34 | Hirsute | Unless you always put them in the same bag slot |
| 04:47.41 | WobWork | Antiarc: does it matter? |
| 04:47.41 | Thunder_Child | no Fisker, you are not |
| 04:47.51 | Hirsute | Then you just equip using the bag slot as the reference. |
| 04:47.54 | Thunder_Child | because you can not prove it |
| 04:48.29 | Fisker | i can |
| 04:48.41 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, go for it |
| 04:48.59 | Fisker | http://sclegacy.com/news/23-sc2/529-igromir-2009-starcraft-ii-coverage-day-1 |
| 04:50.11 | Fisker | personally i don't see the hold-up |
| 04:50.39 | Thunder_Child | hmm...i dont ever remember them saying the beta was going to be released 2009 |
| 04:50.40 | Fisker | I assumed that the battle.net merge here in a few days would be the remaining thing "in their way" |
| 04:50.59 | Fisker | then you don't remember well enough Thunder_Child |
| 04:51.10 | Thunder_Child | obviously not then |
| 04:51.21 | Fisker | Also with the game having a 2009 release a beta before 2009 ends would be quite obvious |
| 04:52.22 | Shirik | or you remember too well, Fisker |
| 04:52.31 | Thunder_Child | not surprised, thats blizz's philosophy |
| 04:53.28 | Antiarc | WobWork: Yeah, different temp enchants |
| 04:53.37 | Fisker | Delaying games? :P |
| 04:53.52 | Fisker | "This game needs atleast a year of delays" |
| 04:53.52 | Antiarc | Rogue can pick up 300-800 DPS by programmatically weapon swapping for optimal poison usage |
| 04:54.03 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, not releasing till it's ready |
| 04:54.03 | Fisker | should be nerfed Antiarc |
| 04:54.27 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 04:54.37 | Shirik | wave just shit on my screen, literally |
| 04:54.37 | Fisker | Maybe it's an indication that 3.3 won't be out until late 2009 |
| 04:54.45 | Fisker | and battle.net support won't come until early 2010 |
| 04:54.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Sesshu| (n=Sesshu@ip-10-19.travedsl.de) |
| 04:54.51 | Jerub | this /is/ late 2009 |
| 04:54.53 | Fisker | And they want the real id system working first |
| 04:54.59 | Fisker | later 2009 Jerub :P |
| 04:55.12 | Fisker | real id is not to be confused with realdolls of course |
| 04:57.09 | Shirik | Wave shit on my screen: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e46d549a71b0cd6d426e5c0ca9247ecd.png |
| 04:57.35 | Fisker | i hate your taskbar |
| 04:57.36 | Fisker | hope it dies |
| 04:57.53 | Fisker | also ati |
| 04:57.54 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 04:58.09 | Jerub | how do i merge my damn acconut? |
| 04:58.23 | Shirik | Fisker: lol more |
| 04:58.27 | Shirik | It doesn't even work |
| 04:58.27 | Fisker | follow on-screen instructions |
| 04:58.36 | Jerub | Fisker: i'm not near WoW, just a web browser. |
| 04:58.49 | Jerub | I logged into my account and there's no button say, "merge with battle.net" |
| 04:59.14 | WobWork | Antiarc: you'd have to work off those enchants then, no? |
| 05:00.32 | Antiarc | My plan was to tooltip scan once I had potential items |
| 05:04.13 | Yssaril | Antiarc: i would assume the have a different uniqueid in their itemstring |
| 05:05.25 | Fisker | Jerub |
| 05:05.39 | Fisker | got to http://us.battle.net (replace us with eu if you're european) |
| 05:05.55 | Fisker | Create an account (If you previously used the Blizzard store you already have one) |
| 05:06.09 | Fisker | When you login you'll have the option to "Merge a World of Warcraft account" |
| 05:06.21 | Fisker | Press that link, enter your account credentials, done. |
| 05:08.57 | Thunder_Child | as usual Shirik is talking to himself |
| 05:09.01 | Jerub | okay, thanks. |
| 05:09.04 | Thunder_Child | ....damit |
| 05:09.05 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:09.10 | Thunder_Child | i was scrolled up |
| 05:10.19 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:10.52 | Thunder_Child | eats Fisker's other other other other other other other fish |
| 05:12.25 | Fisker | atleast i have dual-blade buthcer |
| 05:12.33 | Fisker | butcher |
| 05:14.04 | Fisker | i need ~40 hit rating :( |
| 05:14.14 | ccox | ok, this weeks Google doodles have been fun, but the new one is great |
| 05:14.40 | Fisker | link |
| 05:14.46 | Fisker | or be the cancer that's killing the internet |
| 05:14.57 | ccox | http://www.google.com/ |
| 05:15.00 | ccox | dur |
| 05:15.04 | batrick | hi shirik |
| 05:15.10 | Shirik | hi batrick |
| 05:15.17 | ccox | http://www.google.com/logos/count_von_count-hp.gif |
| 05:15.22 | Torhal | Fisker: You wouldn't kill the Internet with cancer. |
| 05:15.32 | Thunder_Child | ccox, it should link to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AXPnH0C9UA |
| 05:15.39 | Fisker | but i would |
| 05:15.45 | batrick | u finish your vararg patch yet |
| 05:15.56 | Fisker | Not all of the custom logos are international sadly :o |
| 05:16.41 | ccox | then follow the second link |
| 05:17.08 | Fisker | durr |
| 05:17.17 | Fisker | i was telling you why google.com wouldn't work |
| 05:17.19 | Fisker | DURRR |
| 05:18.14 | Fisker | oh nos |
| 05:18.16 | Yssaril | Fisker: google.us should work though |
| 05:18.44 | Fisker | according to an user on the esteemed quakenet network someone named "p0rn" has authenticated with my password |
| 05:19.04 | Fisker | http://store.steampowered.com/app/10180/ |
| 05:19.06 | Fisker | hurr hurr |
| 05:19.18 | Shirik | batrick: It's been done |
| 05:19.29 | Fisker | "Setting a new bar for online multiplayer" |
| 05:19.30 | Fisker | hurrrrrr |
| 05:19.33 | Fisker | It's not a limbo contest MW |
| 05:19.35 | Fisker | or IW |
| 05:20.37 | batrick | ya rite |
| 05:20.42 | WobWork | Yssaril: no doodle for me |
| 05:20.59 | Fisker | we're not "leet" enough WobWork :( |
| 05:21.06 | Yssaril | WobWork: then go to google.de (differnt doodle though) |
| 05:21.16 | WobWork | likes google.com.au 's |
| 05:21.40 | WobWork | Yssaril: what was the US one/ |
| 05:21.54 | Yssaril | same as the com.au one :P |
| 05:22.11 | Yssaril | (if your seeing the count at least) |
| 05:22.52 | WobWork | http://www.google.com/logos/ |
| 05:22.54 | WobWork | yeah |
| 05:26.00 | Fisker | http://www.google.com/logos/japanelections09.gif <-that's fucking awesome |
| 05:42.12 | Fisker | slaps WobWork around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:43.22 | Thunder_Child | "Then the good news is that, if you're able to patiently wait for patch 3.3 you will probably be rewarded with the very thing you're requesting. That's right, we aim to implement the ability to exchange bind-on-account items between your Horde and Alliance characters in patch 3.3. Of course, as with anything not yet live (and even things that are) this is subject to change, but it currently remains our intention. Hope that helps somewhat, or rather, |
| 05:43.24 | Thunder_Child | thats nice |
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| 05:45.08 | Shirik | Mythbusters has really gone downhill |
| 05:45.14 | Shirik | "A bullet fired horizontally from a gun and another bullet dropped from the same height will hit the ground at the same time. - CONFIRMED" |
| 05:45.18 | Shirik | No shit. |
| 05:45.34 | Fisker | watch the last ones |
| 05:45.49 | Fisker | they want to test if horricanes have a lesser effect on hurricances |
| 05:46.01 | Fisker | their scale model is a house with windows like half the size of the "walls" |
| 05:46.04 | Fisker | "OMG IT HAS AN EFFECT" |
| 05:46.19 | Fisker | Yeah because everyone has an house with 4 sides with half the space being taken up by a window |
| 05:47.25 | Shirik | horricanes and hurricances? |
| 05:47.29 | Shirik | wtf are you talking about |
| 05:47.48 | Fisker | fu Shirik |
| 05:47.52 | Fisker | i'm sick |
| 05:47.55 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:48.26 | Fisker | And at the end they're like "Oh but we had windows sized to exaggerate the effect" |
| 05:48.41 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you mean if you fire a gun from 5' high and drop a bullet from 5' high? |
| 05:48.47 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:49.51 | Shirik | I mean, seriously, anyone who did well in high school physics could answer that question in 2 seconds |
| 05:52.17 | Fisker | http://i33.tinypic.com/16kvn9l.jpg <-this is how a normal house looks like! |
| 05:53.03 | Shirik | looks just like my house |
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| 05:54.18 | Fisker | Sure you're not confusing your house with your mother |
| 05:54.20 | Fisker | ooooooooooooooooooh |
| 05:56.13 | batrick | ⢠|
| 05:56.19 | batrick | oops |
| 06:01.41 | Yssaril | shirik i would say they are wrong they didn;t take the curvature of the earth into effect if you fire the gun and the drop the bullet from the same hight (radius from center of earth) the droped bullet would impact first and depending on the speed of the bullet it will land later (unless it goes into orbit where it would never land at all) :P |
| 06:02.22 | Shirik | ok it wouldn't be "Exact" but it would be within milliseconds |
| 06:02.48 | Yssaril | :P |
| 06:02.51 | Shirik | You wouldn't be able to achieve orbit by firing something horizontally |
| 06:03.06 | Yssaril | Shirik: if you do it fast enough it will :P |
| 06:03.09 | Shirik | no |
| 06:03.17 | Shirik | You are neglecting air resistance |
| 06:03.25 | Shirik | You would hit terminal velocity before you could achieve orbit |
| 06:03.31 | Shirik | and then air resistance would pull it down |
| 06:03.36 | Shirik | pull its speed down |
| 06:04.43 | Fisker | air resistance will pull my pants down |
| 06:04.43 | Jerub | Shirik: there is a point where the air could not decelerate the missile before it was at an altitude where its residual velocity would allow it to enter orbit. |
| 06:04.54 | Shirik | uh |
| 06:04.59 | Shirik | you can't reach that point |
| 06:05.08 | Yssaril | Fisker: since when are you wearing pants? |
| 06:05.11 | Shirik | There is no accelleration on a bullet after it leaves the gun |
| 06:05.15 | Fisker | good point |
| 06:05.15 | Jerub | of course not, it would be many multiples of the speed of sound. |
| 06:05.29 | WobWork | who said it wasn't a rocket propelled bullet? |
| 06:05.34 | Jerub | but provided it was sub-c, it would be physically possible. |
| 06:05.35 | Shirik | ... |
| 06:05.53 | Yssaril | Shirik: but if you had a really big gun that would accelerate it to close to speed of light it would :P (though it would probabaly leave orbit as well) |
| 06:06.10 | WobWork | also, it depends on how high up you are |
| 06:06.11 | Shirik | the bullet still has to accelerate |
| 06:06.27 | Jerub | Shirik: the bullet would only have to decelerate |
| 06:06.29 | WobWork | the higher up, the less resistance from air |
| 06:06.37 | Shirik | the only way you can do it is if you can reach the required speed while firing |
| 06:06.41 | WobWork | and the shorter distance to reach past atmosphere |
| 06:06.54 | WobWork | (and the more time for the dropped bullet to hit the ground) |
| 06:06.55 | Jerub | Shirik: it would have to exit the atmostphere before deceleration was down to trivial (terminal) velocity. |
| 06:06.57 | Shirik | WobWork: We're talking horizontal |
| 06:07.00 | WobWork | sure |
| 06:07.16 | WobWork | horizontal at sea level is still the same horizontal a few km up |
| 06:07.33 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:07.34 | Shirik | fair enough |
| 06:07.43 | Shirik | if I fire it horizontally from orbit |
| 06:07.46 | Shirik | then it will reach orbit |
| 06:07.53 | WobWork | That's the spirit! =) |
| 06:07.56 | Shirik | it will actually probably escape |
| 06:08.06 | WobWork | stamps the myth as BUSTED =P |
| 06:08.14 | Jerub | Shirik: if you can grant that .99C is escape velocity, even when fired horizontally, it should be posisble reach orbit through experimentation. decreate by 1/100th of the speed of light until you're in the ballpark. |
| 06:08.36 | Shirik | if escape velocity is .99c, we have much bigger problems |
| 06:08.38 | Shirik | no pun intended |
| 06:08.49 | Jerub | Shirik: .99c >is< an escape velocity. |
| 06:08.57 | Shirik | minimum escape velocity |
| 06:09.01 | WobWork | it's just a very -fast- escape velocity =) |
| 06:09.28 | Shirik | Here's an interesting though |
| 06:09.49 | Shirik | I would have to do the math on this to prove it, but there is actually only a range of velocities that are escape velocities |
| 06:09.58 | Shirik | it is possible that .99c is so fast that it is, in fact, not an escape velocity |
| 06:10.05 | Jerub | Shirik: I don't understand. |
| 06:10.12 | Jerub | how does that work? |
| 06:10.31 | Shirik | as you approach the speed of light, you approach being infinitely massive. Infinite mass implies that you have an infinitely strong gravitational force towards earth |
| 06:11.09 | Shirik | of course, that is a singularity because there are a million other infinitely powerful forces on you at 1c |
| 06:11.50 | Shirik | but the question is "does the force on you due to your increasing mass increase fast enough to counteract your velocity and attempt to reach orbit" |
| 06:12.23 | Shirik | Though, the correct answer, after thinking about it, is that you would be slowed down until you reach the top end of the escape velocity range, if in fact it is a range |
| 06:13.03 | Shirik | In essence, it's a terminal velocity imposed by, what I will from now on call "time resistance" |
| 06:13.14 | Shirik | instead of the conventional terminal velocity imposed by air resistance |
| 06:13.35 | Yssaril | lol |
| 06:16.07 | Yssaril | question is though, is relativity an acurate model at velocities close to C? |
| 06:16.14 | Fisker | stop exploding my brain Shirik |
| 06:16.37 | Shirik | that's the whole purpose of the special theory of relativity, Yssaril |
| 06:17.23 | Shirik | to correct the inconsistencies modeled by newton's laws |
| 06:17.23 | WobWork | this is also assuming you reach your final velocity in an appropriate time |
| 06:17.25 | Jerub | this reminds me of the time i was told F=ma is a lie. |
| 06:17.33 | Shirik | it is! |
| 06:17.41 | WobWork | even getting to halfway to c, you've already left the planet |
| 06:17.57 | Shirik | You assume too much |
| 06:18.08 | Jerub | yes, F=ma is a dirty lie. |
| 06:18.08 | Yssaril | WobWork: but what if we could instantly accelerate as close to C as we want |
| 06:18.13 | Shirik | There is a theoretical rate of acceleration that can hit 0.99c |
| 06:18.18 | Shirik | within some distance |
| 06:18.20 | WobWork | Yssaril: then turn on the headlights? =) |
| 06:18.51 | Shirik | in fact, it can be computed |
| 06:19.05 | Shirik | Assuming a constant acceleration, a |
| 06:19.23 | Yssaril | anyways need an opinion http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9973/wowscrnshot110809235615.jpg the big left/right arrows on the sides look good? |
| 06:19.35 | Shirik | Ignoring relativity for a second, v(t) = at, x(t) = 1/2 at^2 |
| 06:19.52 | WobWork | Yssaril: they're very... big |
| 06:20.10 | Shirik | if we want to do it within 1m, and .99c then that means 1m = 1/2 * at^2 and 0.99c = at |
| 06:20.14 | Shirik | You now have a system of equations |
| 06:20.29 | Yssaril | WobWork: are they too big though |
| 06:20.47 | Jerub | Yssaril: is that atlasloot? |
| 06:21.08 | Yssaril | Jerub: no its soemthing i'm working on |
| 06:21.19 | Shirik | a = t/.99c, therefore 1m=1/2 * (t/.99c) * t^2 -> 2m = t^3/.99c -> 2m/0.99c = t^3 -> t = (2m/0.99c)^(1/3) |
| 06:21.29 | Jerub | Yssaril: will it compare items to things i'm wearing when i hold shift? |
| 06:21.39 | Fisker | looks nice to me Yssaril |
| 06:21.48 | Fisker | what addon is it? |
| 06:21.57 | Yssaril | Jerub: it should (uses the regular game tooltip) |
| 06:21.59 | Shirik | lua> (2/(0.99*299792458))^(1/3) |
| 06:22.00 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.0018888234505087 |
| 06:22.04 | Jerub | Yssaril: Then I love it |
| 06:22.05 | Shirik | ok I screwed something up |
| 06:22.15 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:22.21 | Shirik | lua> (2*(0.99*299792458))^(1/3) |
| 06:22.22 | lua_bot | Shirik: 840.41790752897 |
| 06:22.34 | Jerub | 840c/s^2? |
| 06:22.34 | Shirik | really? That's all? |
| 06:22.40 | Shirik | no, m/s^2 |
| 06:22.42 | Shirik | that seems low |
| 06:22.57 | Jerub | it does. |
| 06:23.08 | Yssaril | Fisker: http://www.wowace.com/addons/yssinstancemaps/ (still in alpha meaning i break things every other commit) |
| 06:23.45 | Yssaril | Shirik: did you take in effect time changing as you speed up? |
| 06:23.53 | Shirik | I said ignoring relativity for a second :) |
| 06:24.28 | Shirik | I've gone over the math again |
| 06:24.33 | Shirik | I can't see anything wrong |
| 06:24.42 | Shirik | but there's no way |
| 06:24.47 | Shirik | you can just think about it and it's wrong |
| 06:25.18 | Shirik | oh I kno wwhat's wrong |
| 06:25.32 | Shirik | a=t/.99c is wrong |
| 06:25.36 | Shirik | a=v(t)/.99c |
| 06:25.38 | Yssaril | Jerub: jsut checked it does the compare tooltip just fine |
| 06:25.47 | Jerub | Yssaril: that's my biggest complaint with atlasloot |
| 06:25.53 | Jerub | so yours wins awesomely. |
| 06:25.59 | Yssaril | honestly i thought that did it too |
| 06:26.26 | Jerub | it doesn't use the standard tooltips i don't think. |
| 06:26.30 | Shirik | Gah |
| 06:26.33 | Shirik | this is a differential equation |
| 06:26.34 | Jerub | maybe i need to update it ;) |
| 06:26.37 | Shirik | I see the problem now |
| 06:26.51 | Shirik | It's too late at night for me to try to solve a differential equation :P |
| 06:26.52 | Jerub | Shirik: state the differential equation. |
| 06:26.59 | Shirik | v(t) = at |
| 06:27.03 | Shirik | but a = v'(t) |
| 06:27.04 | Jerub | Shirik: I was helping a student cram for an exam last night. |
| 06:27.14 | Shirik | so it's v(t) = v'(t)*t |
| 06:27.39 | Shirik | So the system of equations becomes... |
| 06:27.47 | Yssaril | Jerub: yea it doesn't (no clue why but i ran into that problem before when adding info too tooltips it wouldn't appear on AL tips) |
| 06:28.34 | Shirik | v(t)=v'(t)*t, v''(t) = 1/2 * v'(t) * t^2 |
| 06:28.39 | Shirik | substituting in we get |
| 06:28.45 | Jerub | integrate S v'/v dv = S 1/t dt |
| 06:28.58 | Fisker | i am not well Shirik |
| 06:29.20 | Shirik | substituting in we get v''(t) = 1/2 * v(t) * t^3 |
| 06:29.29 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:29.51 | Shirik | wait, I'm... being stupid lol |
| 06:29.55 | Yssaril | Jerub: you can turn on comparison tooltips in AL (though its either on or off no shift modifier) |
| 06:29.59 | Shirik | substituting in we get v''(t) = 1/2 * v'(t) * t^2 |
| 06:30.00 | Shirik | there |
| 06:30.04 | Shirik | That's the equation to solve |
| 06:30.11 | Shirik | v''(t) should be a constant |
| 06:30.38 | Shirik | omg |
| 06:30.46 | Shirik | See! It's so late at night I can't do this |
| 06:30.49 | Shirik | I'm thinking too hard |
| 06:31.14 | Jerub | ;) |
| 06:31.17 | Jerub | 16:30 <@Shirik> omg |
| 06:31.17 | Jerub | 16:30 <@Shirik> See! It's so late at night I can't do this |
| 06:31.17 | Jerub | 16:30 <@Shirik> I'm thinking too hard |
| 06:31.27 | Antiarc | WobWork: http://www.wowace.com/addons/poisonswapper/ \o/ |
| 06:31.33 | Jerub | sorry, stupid mouse. |
| 06:31.34 | Shirik | x(t) = 1/2 * x''(t) * t^2 |
| 06:32.51 | Shirik | where is matlab |
| 06:32.54 | Shirik | I can plug this in |
| 06:32.56 | Shirik | get an easy answer |
| 06:35.25 | Yssaril | Antiarc: have you actually seen those dps gains? (if yes i can see blizzard swooping in and breaking the addon :P) |
| 06:36.06 | Torhal | Antiarc: Soon, you'll have so many projects that in order to make more you'll need to cannibalize others. |
| 06:36.08 | Antiarc | Yssaril: Those are the average gains top rogues report with a little script that does the same thing. I just took the script and made it smarter. |
| 06:36.13 | Jerub | http://scifiwire.com/2009/11/bikini-leia-and-her-stunt.php |
| 06:36.21 | Antiarc | Blizzard is aware of it, and said that they're fix it if poison swapping becomes the de facto standard for rogues |
| 06:36.27 | NightHawkTheSane | rayne is my hero: http://www.leasticoulddo.com/comic/20091109 |
| 06:36.30 | Antiarc | Until then, it's a "perk for top-end players" |
| 06:36.39 | Shirik | Substituting x'(t) = y(t), we get x(t) = 1/2 * y'(t) * t^2 |
| 06:36.43 | Antiarc | So I wrote an addon to automate it |
| 06:36.46 | Yssaril | Antiarc: ahh ic |
| 06:36.48 | Antiarc | Install addon, get 600 DPS |
| 06:37.13 | Jerub | it still won't let rogues heal or tank, so meh. |
| 06:37.20 | Jerub | <3's his drood |
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| 06:38.41 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: sometimes with the speech bubbles |
| 06:38.45 | WobWork | it's hard to figure out the order |
| 06:39.29 | Fisker | tsk Yssaril |
| 06:39.34 | Fisker | doesn't work on the ptr :( |
| 06:40.06 | Yssaril | Fisker: ??? thats where it should work (live is a but buggy) |
| 06:40.28 | Fisker | well i tried in totc |
| 06:40.30 | Fisker | nothing |
| 06:40.36 | Fisker | ah |
| 06:40.54 | Fisker | Message: ...YssInstanceMaps\Libs\LibDBIcon-1.0\LibDBIcon-1.0.lua:39: LibDBIcon-1.0 requires LibDataBroker-1.1. |
| 06:40.57 | Fisker | Time: 11/09/09 07:40:20 |
| 06:40.57 | Fisker | Count: 1 |
| 06:40.57 | Fisker | Stack: [C]: in function `error' |
| 06:40.57 | Fisker | ...YssInstanceMaps\Libs\LibDBIcon-1.0\LibDBIcon-1.0.lua:39: in main chunk |
| 06:40.57 | Fisker | Locals: (*temporary) = "LibDBIcon-1.0 requires LibDataBroker-1.1." |
| 06:41.14 | Fisker | Funny that didn't pop up on the first login |
| 06:41.20 | Yssaril | odd |
| 06:42.33 | Yssaril | ahhh would help if i embed LDB :P |
| 06:42.50 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 06:46.59 | Yssaril | Fisker: try again :) |
| 06:47.59 | Torhal | Fisker: Are you still using FuBar? |
| 06:49.29 | Fisker | nawwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 06:49.36 | Fisker | and not using any addons on ptr |
| 06:49.41 | Fisker | usually not worth the trouble |
| 06:49.49 | Torhal | Ah, explains why you didn't have LDB |
| 06:49.58 | Fisker | ok that is hot ;3 |
| 06:50.10 | Fisker | bug with totc though |
| 06:50.18 | Fisker | Trial of the Crusader returns Trial of the Champion loot |
| 06:51.03 | Shirik | Algebraic state in algebraic loop containing 'untitled/Sum' computed at time 0 is Inf or NaN. There may be a singularity in the solution. If the model is correct, try reducing the step size (either by reducing the fixed step size or by tightening the error tolerances). |
| 06:51.09 | Shirik | I give up Jerub |
| 06:52.50 | Fisker | What are the arrows for Yssaril ? |
| 06:54.40 | Yssaril | for bosses like the Twin Val'kyr which are actually multible sources of loot so you can switch between the subbosses (not working yet but the arrows look pretty) |
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| 06:56.29 | Yssaril | and what do you mean crusader returns champion loot? |
| 06:56.52 | Fisker | Trial of the Champion is the 5-man instance |
| 06:56.58 | Fisker | Trial of the Crusader is the raid instance |
| 06:57.07 | Fisker | Being in the raid instance shows loot for the 5-man instance |
| 06:57.20 | Yssaril | ohhhh that |
| 06:57.44 | Fisker | Also an option to only show the current "level" of loot would be nice |
| 06:58.01 | Fisker | i.e. not show 10-man, 10-man (heroic), 25-man and 25-man (heroic) loot on the same screen |
| 06:58.07 | Fisker | but only the loot from the instance you're in |
| 06:58.39 | Yssaril | maybe will have to think about that one |
| 06:59.16 | Yssaril | as for it not detecting the right one i will have to go over my detection code again |
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| 06:59.37 | Yssaril | though if you type /yim it pops up a seperate instance browser |
| 06:59.42 | Fisker | also it's possible to bug it so the frame can't be shown |
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| 06:59.56 | Fisker | if you close the map at the same time you open the loot info |
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| 07:00.03 | Fisker | then you can't get it to show for other bosses |
| 07:00.16 | Yssaril | hmm |
| 07:00.20 | Fisker | or the same boss for that matter |
| 07:01.30 | Yssaril | very interesting never seen that happen before |
| 07:02.12 | Fisker | hmm |
| 07:02.21 | Fisker | Now somehow i got the loot menu bugged as well |
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| 07:02.37 | Fisker | the "Normal 10-man loot" now extends the full map and hides "Heroic 10-man loot" |
| 07:06.09 | Yssaril | Fisker: can you reproduce that reliably? |
| 07:08.30 | Yssaril | Fisker: latest version fixes the loot frame going AWOL bug |
| 07:10.01 | Fisker | unfortunately no :( |
| 07:10.06 | Fisker | was just messing around a lot |
| 07:11.31 | Yssaril | ohhh well it will crop up eventually |
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| 07:12.00 | Yssaril | i still have alot of things to tweak/fix/code so it might jsut resolve itself |
| 07:14.35 | Shirik | I have figured out Chrome's 1 flaw |
| 07:14.37 | Shirik | #1 flaw |
| 07:14.47 | Shirik | It is too efficient |
| 07:15.09 | Shirik | As a result, I do not think before creating a new tab, etc., and I very quickly run out of space for tabs on my bar and can't see the tabs anymore |
| 07:15.23 | Shirik | If it were less efficient, I wouldn't create so many tabs at once (or I'd take more time into cleaning them out) |
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| 07:15.58 | WobWork | It's enabling your addiction |
| 07:16.05 | Shirik | yup |
| 07:16.05 | WobWork | emphasising your flaws |
| 07:16.51 | Shirik | not my flaw :( |
| 07:17.18 | Jerub | Shirik: In a roundabout way, you have encountered a problem that I solved with firefox a long time ago. |
| 07:17.28 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:17.37 | Jerub | Shirik: Tabs accross the top are stupid. Tabs down the side are fucking awesome. |
| 07:17.51 | Jerub | and somehow this is news to people :( |
| 07:18.21 | Jerub | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5890 |
| 07:18.48 | Shirik | nah |
| 07:18.51 | Shirik | f that jazz |
| 07:19.00 | Yssaril | wastes to much space |
| 07:19.43 | Shirik | ^ |
| 07:19.56 | Jerub | I think having 70 tabs open is slightly excessive. |
| 07:20.10 | Jerub | but all modern monitors are widescreen. |
| 07:20.25 | Jerub | doesn't waste any space on a widescreen. |
| 07:20.27 | Fisker | we need wider screens |
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| 07:20.54 | WobWork | Fisker: That's what -she- said! |
| 07:21.21 | Shirik | Fisker needs to be wider |
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| 07:25.04 | Thunder_Child | needs more fail! |
| 07:25.47 | Shirik | ~fail |
| 07:25.48 | purl | methinks fail is what happens to you when you follow gamespot's game advice. standing in the fire. |
| 07:26.35 | Shirik | I think more fail would result in failure overload |
| 07:28.34 | Lukian | Jerub, I used that, I have about 40 tabs open atm |
| 07:28.36 | Lukian | use* |
| 07:29.01 | Lukian | you can also shrink it down so it only shows the site/page icon ^^ |
| 07:29.14 | Lukian | if you are pressed for space on 4:3 or such |
| 07:29.27 | DWSR2 | So yeah. anyone here use a ranged tank for togc25 beasts? |
| 07:29.44 | Jerub | DWSR2: what, a panzerkin or something? |
| 07:29.48 | DWSR2 | lock |
| 07:30.06 | Jerub | for the worms? |
| 07:30.10 | DWSR | yes |
| 07:30.15 | Jerub | interesting idea. |
| 07:31.00 | DWSR | We use it so that the two tanks can swap when they get a debuff. |
| 07:31.49 | DWSR | they debuff the raid when they get burning bile. |
| 07:32.13 | Fisker | panzerkin? |
| 07:32.21 | Fisker | Nazi cultism at its best |
| 07:32.23 | Fisker | :D |
| 07:32.23 | Jerub | Fisker: a tank moonkin. |
| 07:32.28 | Fisker | i know Jerub |
| 07:32.29 | DWSR | Locks work the best. |
| 07:32.43 | Jerub | a guildie had a BC panzerkin spec. |
| 07:33.25 | DWSR | Demon Armor (+25% to incoming heals) and Demonic Embrace (3/7/10% stamina) work out really well for tanking. |
| 07:33.36 | DWSR | Just throw me a decently geared paladin or disc priest and gg. |
| 07:33.53 | DWSR | Anyone here done that? I'm looking for some advice for the worms. |
| 07:34.56 | Jerub | DWSR: I've never done ToGC25 |
| 07:35.02 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:35.07 | Jerub | hell, I've never done ToGC10 ;) |
| 07:35.09 | DWSR | It's kinda rediculous, when I think about it. |
| 07:35.18 | DWSR | Because I'm using DA, which is a pretty big SP loss. |
| 07:35.23 | DWSR | And yeah, I don't threat cap the DPS. |
| 07:35.30 | DWSR | So.....gg =\ |
| 07:35.38 | DWSR | Lock threat's broken, kthxbai. |
| 07:36.59 | Fisker | anyways how the hell do you do beasts with 2 tanks anyways? |
| 07:37.58 | DWSR | In heroic, it's easy. |
| 07:38.00 | DWSR | You need paladins |
| 07:38.13 | DWSR | In normal, tanks should have enough avoidance + you can disarm him. |
| 07:38.28 | Codayus_ | Fisker: Easy on 10 man. Haven't tried two tanks on heroic 25 man though. |
| 07:38.39 | DWSR | That's how we do it. |
| 07:38.53 | DWSR | Paladin BoP for impale stacks. |
| 07:39.07 | Fisker | yeah easy on 10-man :P |
| 07:43.27 | DWSR | anyway |
| 07:43.32 | DWSR | It works pretty well actually. |
| 07:43.41 | DWSR | Decently geared destro lock = awesome tank. |
| 07:43.55 | DWSR | anyone care for a parse? |
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| 07:50.25 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqajoSV7bWM <-How about no? |
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| 07:51.28 | DWSR | LOLOL |
| 07:51.36 | DWSR | Mythbusters built a duct tape sailboat. |
| 07:51.38 | DWSR | What the fuck. |
| 07:51.51 | Fisker | old |
| 07:52.22 | Shirik | Fisker is old |
| 07:53.23 | Fisker | hahaha |
| 07:53.32 | Fisker | someone was whining about battlegrounds and battlegroups |
| 07:53.38 | Fisker | on the GM forums |
| 07:53.45 | Fisker | so i told him to sod off and post on the suggestion forums |
| 07:53.49 | Fisker | "Shut down x Battlegroup" |
| 07:53.50 | Fisker | lols |
| 07:53.55 | Fisker | great suggestion right there retard |
| 07:54.08 | DWSR | tbh. |
| 07:54.13 | Fisker | think i'll go write my "Shut down WoW now"-suggestion |
| 07:54.14 | DWSR | The battlegroups should be rebalanced. |
| 07:54.15 | Corrodias | shut down WoW! |
| 07:54.15 | Shirik | "someone" was Fisker imo |
| 07:54.21 | Fisker | nawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Shirik |
| 07:54.32 | Fisker | DWSR rebalancing means they need to move the servers |
| 07:55.32 | DWSR | why? |
| 07:56.14 | theorbtwo | I tend to think that battlegrounds should just be ranked and balanced, at least during busy times. |
| 07:56.21 | Arrowmaster | because blizzard hasnt created a high speed backbone linking all of their datacenters together |
| 07:56.27 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 07:56.51 | Fisker | and even so latency might be an issue |
| 07:56.57 | theorbtwo | If a user "sucks", stick them in the 2nd instance of the battleground, if they are good, place them in the first one. |
| 07:57.00 | Fisker | Though not as much if we're talking a straight link basically |
| 07:57.17 | Fisker | they're "balanced" |
| 07:57.25 | theorbtwo | Same resources. Twice as much wait time, but only if estimated wait time was less then 5 minutes. |
| 07:57.28 | Fisker | i.e. they do try to match people |
| 07:57.42 | Antiarc | They try to match people, but the algorithm is very loose |
| 07:57.46 | Fisker | of course making those matchmaking requirements too steep will influence queues |
| 07:57.46 | theorbtwo | Fisker: Hm. They must do a pretty bad job, then. |
| 07:57.56 | Fisker | They don't have ranking like Arena |
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| 07:58.25 | theorbtwo | Part of the problem, I suppose, is that there's little to rank them on other then if the group as a whole succeeds or not. |
| 07:58.37 | Arrowmaster | their BG matching is just to try and put groups against groups |
| 07:58.47 | Arrowmaster | and maybe some gear ilvl matching |
| 07:58.53 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 07:58.57 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Average resilience rating would work better. |
| 07:59.06 | Arrowmaster | yes it would |
| 07:59.08 | Antiarc | "Comcast in talks to buy NBC" |
| 07:59.11 | Antiarc | Weeeeeeelllllp. |
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| 07:59.29 | theorbtwo | That seems like it'd have some pretty big antitrust issues. |
| 07:59.31 | Arrowmaster | i thought comcast was loosing money |
| 07:59.33 | Fisker | hoho Antiarc |
| 07:59.44 | Arrowmaster | how the hell can they afford to buy NBC |
| 07:59.52 | Antiarc | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a4CsK1gGsr8E&pos=5 |
| 08:00.21 | theorbtwo | Arrowmaster: Possibly because NBC is loosing money too? Or because they are loosing money, but have some still in the bank? |
| 08:00.41 | Arrowmaster | remember Comcasts CEO made it onto the top 5 overpaid for worst preforming companies list |
| 08:00.59 | DWSR | Antiarc |
| 08:01.03 | Antiarc | Yus |
| 08:01.17 | DWSR | SexyCooldown suggestion: Make the blacklisting action Shift+Right click. |
| 08:01.25 | Antiarc | Shouldn't be hard |
| 08:01.25 | DWSR | And then allow people to dispell buffs with right click. |
| 08:01.43 | Antiarc | Hrm, that's an idea. |
| 08:01.48 | DWSR | Also, allowing longer than 10 minutes. |
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| 08:02.41 | Antiarc | Hrm. I'll think about it, but I don't want the slider bar to be huge, because that limits the useful part of the bar to a very small segment |
| 08:02.45 | Fisker | http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/stormy1352/pcmw2.png |
| 08:02.46 | Antiarc | Most people wnat short-term cooldowns |
| 08:02.47 | ZorbaGama | there's not enough battleground usage to match people in any meaningful matter. on a lot of clusters you're lucky if there's half a dozen active BGs at a time |
| 08:03.21 | DWSR | Antiarc: Right, but I'm using it for longterm cooldowns. |
| 08:03.21 | Antiarc | Fisker: what am I missing |
| 08:03.45 | DWSR | Antiarc: Sec |
| 08:03.59 | theorbtwo | ZorbaGama: Hm. That's why I suggested it be based on the business of the battleground. |
| 08:04.33 | theorbtwo | See your point, though -- if most of the time it's not busy enough, then it makes it lots of work for not terribly much gain. |
| 08:04.48 | ZorbaGama | yeah, pretty much. if they combined clusters then it might be possible |
| 08:04.52 | theorbtwo | (It doesn't help that the expected wait algo is broken.) |
| 08:05.52 | theorbtwo | ZorbaGama: Yeah. OTOH, stable definitions of a group means that you end up knowing the people in your battlegroup if you play BGs a lot. Making the entire set of per-slice-of-world servers a single big battlegroup would break that. |
| 08:06.09 | Fisker | They should just make entire WoW P2P |
| 08:06.29 | ZorbaGama | yeah, but then ranking people would fix it again, since you'd end up grouping with the same people often ;) |
| 08:06.43 | DWSR | Antiarc: http://hdimage.org/images/7etw2ilou38v76uvxi8.jpg |
| 08:06.52 | theorbtwo | ZorbaGama: True, to a degree. |
| 08:06.54 | DWSR | Antiarc: Bottom, I use it for long duration cooldowns. |
| 08:07.19 | Antiarc | Do you need to see the icons moving at >10m? |
| 08:07.29 | DWSR | aye |
| 08:07.32 | Antiarc | I mean, you can show cooldowns that are >10m, that'll just hang out on the end of the bar until they hit the 10m mark |
| 08:07.34 | Antiarc | why? o.0 |
| 08:07.40 | DWSR | rebuffs. |
| 08:07.51 | Antiarc | 10m isn't enough time? |
| 08:07.55 | Antiarc | How long are you thinking? |
| 08:08.04 | DWSR | I want a whole hour, tbh. |
| 08:08.08 | DWSR | 30 minutes wouldn't be bad though |
| 08:08.25 | Antiarc | That means increasing the slider by a factor of 6, which makes the useful-to-most-people part of the bar 16% of the size it is now |
| 08:08.44 | DWSR | Antiarc: You can type the maximum time though =\ |
| 08:08.48 | DWSR | I never use the slider, I just type. |
| 08:08.51 | Antiarc | People use sliders :P |
| 08:08.55 | DWSR | People are dumb. |
| 08:08.57 | DWSR | :P |
| 08:08.57 | Antiarc | If they didn't we wouldn't have 'em. |
| 08:09.12 | DWSR | indeed |
| 08:09.17 | Antiarc | You could modify the time_max option in options.lua :P |
| 08:09.22 | theorbtwo | Perhaps make the size of the slider dynamic, to accomidate the latest thing in it? |
| 08:09.24 | Antiarc | I mean, sure, you'd have to re-edit it on each release |
| 08:09.24 | DWSR | Antiarc: Will it Just Work? |
| 08:09.28 | Antiarc | But it's not a hard edit |
| 08:09.34 | Antiarc | Yeah, bump 600 to 3600 and you have an hour max. |
| 08:09.56 | Antiarc | theorbtwo: It uses the AceConfig stuff, which doesn't give me direct control over the slider like that |
| 08:10.09 | theorbtwo | Ah. |
| 08:10.09 | DWSR | Antiarc: What about adding a slider in the window that controls global max tiem? |
| 08:10.10 | DWSR | time* |
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| 08:10.43 | Antiarc | Seems a bit redundant, really |
| 08:10.48 | DWSR | why? |
| 08:11.00 | Antiarc | Because you have a max-time slider and a max-max-time slider? |
| 08:11.04 | Antiarc | I mean, that's just silly :P |
| 08:11.08 | DWSR | Not really. |
| 08:11.10 | Antiarc | I mean, this feels like an edge case, and accomodating it would degrade the common case |
| 08:11.19 | mitch0 | antiarc: you could modify .max and call :NotifyChange (dunno if the last is necessary) |
| 08:11.34 | DWSR | Antiarc: Then what about a slash command? |
| 08:11.54 | theorbtwo | Antiarc: It does a bit. OTOH, it also seems like 10 minutes is pretty arbitrary. Maybe people'd rather see only the next 5 minutes. |
| 08:11.55 | mitch0 | dwsr: /run Sexycooldown.db.profile.yoursetting = xx :) |
| 08:12.05 | mitch0 | (actual names may vary) |
| 08:12.13 | Antiarc | theorbtwo: 10m is the upper bound. It can be anywhere in the 0-10m set right now. |
| 08:12.17 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 08:12.19 | Antiarc | That means rebuilding the option tables for each bar, though |
| 08:12.22 | DWSR | Still, 10 minutes is short. |
| 08:12.32 | theorbtwo | Ah. Right. Now I see a lot more clearly. |
| 08:12.32 | Antiarc | It's not a static options table - there's one per bar :P |
| 08:12.45 | Antiarc | DWSR is wanting the upper bound on the option set to 1h or somesuch |
| 08:13.01 | DWSR | Antiarc: Well, there are some fights that are ~10min or longer. |
| 08:13.03 | mitch0 | antiarc: you don't need to rebuild them, just keep a ref to the one you registered |
| 08:13.07 | Shirik | â |
| 08:13.12 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:13.21 | Shirik | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large â |
| 08:13.24 | theorbtwo | Maybe have a slider and a textbox, and allow setting values on the textbox that are above those the slider can show? |
| 08:13.24 | Antiarc | DWSR: Like what? I specifically thought about that when building it, and can't think of a fight that's legitimately over 10m right now |
| 08:13.30 | DWSR | (Yogg, IC). |
| 08:13.33 | Antiarc | Beasts is 10m hard enrage, and that's the longest in the game at the moment |
| 08:13.35 | DWSR | They're around 10 minutes. |
| 08:13.39 | mitch0 | not saying it's worth all the troubly, just saying it's not entirely impossible |
| 08:13.56 | mitch0 | s/troubly/trouble/ ... need more coffee |
| 08:13.58 | DWSR | lol |
| 08:14.03 | DWSR | troubly worked alright. |
| 08:14.13 | theorbtwo | Or just have a "more" button that shows the ones out of your time range, that you can hit before a really long fight. |
| 08:14.32 | DWSR | Antiarc: I'm using SCD to completely replace a buff bar. |
| 08:14.44 | Antiarc | Ah, I see |
| 08:14.44 | DWSR | Which is probably not what it's supposed to do, but it fucking looks really cool and is super useful. |
| 08:15.01 | Antiarc | I use Elkano for buffs >5m, and SCD for everything else |
| 08:15.16 | DWSR | Yeah, I was trying to eliminate UI elements. |
| 08:15.26 | DWSR | I already had a buff/debuff bar set up for player/target. |
| 08:15.38 | theorbtwo | I should try SCD, it sounds useful. |
| 08:15.41 | DWSR | So I just went "wth" and added them for long buffs. |
| 08:15.48 | DWSR | theorbtwo: Once you see it, you'll shit bricks. |
| 08:15.58 | DWSR | Antiarc: also, SCD doesn't rotate bar textures when you set it to a vertical option |
| 08:16.03 | theorbtwo | (I'm using Cork now, which only shows things that are already gone.) |
| 08:16.03 | Antiarc | Yeah, I know |
| 08:16.06 | Shirik | ok night night |
| 08:16.12 | Antiarc | It's because I'm lazy and bar texture rotation is a pain in the ass :P |
| 08:16.22 | DWSR | It's also ugly as sin. |
| 08:16.27 | DWSR | wtb fix. :P |
| 08:16.32 | Antiarc | patches accepted! :P |
| 08:16.37 | DWSR | Not a coder! |
| 08:16.39 | theorbtwo | OTOH, I'm now using mostly my hunter, not my pally, so keeping bufs up isn't nearly as much of an issue!) |
| 08:16.39 | DWSR | Not a good one, anyway. |
| 08:16.52 | DWSR | theorbtwo: Yeah, I'm a destro lock |
| 08:16.54 | Antiarc | I actually write texture rotation code for LibBars, but I'm not sure I can rotate a background, only a texture object |
| 08:16.55 | DWSR | Pretty important. |
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| 08:17.04 | Antiarc | Can you SetTexCoord on a backdrop? |
| 08:17.20 | Antiarc | (if not, it'd mean a hefty rewrite of a bunch of code) |
| 08:17.34 | DWSR | http://elitistjerks.com/f32/t45036-tutorial_360a_ring/ |
| 08:17.42 | DWSR | You can make a fucking RING. |
| 08:17.54 | Antiarc | I know :P |
| 08:18.04 | Antiarc | See how it's using SetTexCoord transforms? |
| 08:18.11 | Antiarc | That only works on texture objects, AFAIK |
| 08:18.14 | Antiarc | Doesn't work on backdrops |
| 08:18.24 | Antiarc | Which means ripping out all the backdrop code, and faking it with texture objects |
| 08:18.51 | Antiarc | Well, for a short-term fix you can modify the max setting for time_max in options.lua to set any upper bound you want |
| 08:19.04 | DWSR | Antiarc: wtb slash command in the next version, imo. |
| 08:19.16 | DWSR | unobtrusive yet configurable. |
| 08:19.19 | Antiarc | It's a bit more complex than just a slash version :P |
| 08:19.25 | Antiarc | s/version/command/ |
| 08:19.33 | DWSR | Why? |
| 08:19.50 | DWSR | I mean, besides the fact that you have to replace all of the references to your static value to some new variable. |
| 08:20.00 | DWSR | The physical act of replacing is pretty simple though with the right tools. |
| 08:21.14 | Antiarc | Because I have to store a variable in the DB, load that, use that to build my option tables, and if it's changed I have to iterate over all my option tables, update the value, and then patch the new value into any copies of new options tables that get built in the future |
| 08:21.20 | Antiarc | It's just a bunch more holes to plug. |
| 08:21.34 | DWSR | Make it require an rl. |
| 08:21.41 | DWSR | It's not something you're going to be changing often.\ |
| 08:21.41 | Antiarc | Ugh. :P |
| 08:21.48 | Antiarc | Smells like a hack! |
| 08:21.52 | DWSR | Yeah, and? |
| 08:21.58 | Antiarc | Hacks are bad! |
| 08:22.01 | DWSR | As you said, edge case. |
| 08:22.04 | Antiarc | Graceful is good. |
| 08:22.07 | DWSR | I'm probably like one of 6 people using this. :P |
| 08:22.15 | Torhal | Hacks should be used when absolutely required, not as an integral part of the program |
| 08:22.26 | DWSR | This is absolutely required. |
| 08:22.29 | DWSR | To save time and sanity. |
| 08:22.55 | DWSR | at any rate |
| 08:23.01 | DWSR | The only other change I would suggest. |
| 08:23.09 | DWSR | Is making the icons not run off the end of the bar. |
| 08:23.25 | DWSR | Currently, an icon >=maxtime sits halfway off the bar. |
| 08:23.37 | Antiarc | Yeah, because the anchor point is CENTER |
| 08:23.51 | Antiarc | So the anchor on the center of the icon at 100% of the bar is the left edge of the bar |
| 08:24.07 | Torhal | DWSR: Latest version has 388 downloads, one of which is me :) |
| 08:24.12 | Torhal | A few more than 6 |
| 08:24.16 | DWSR | Torhal: I meant the hack. |
| 08:24.20 | Torhal | Ah |
| 08:24.41 | DWSR | Antiarc: Right, but when you have a bar sitting near the edge of the screen, it's somewhat irritating. |
| 08:24.50 | DWSR | Since the icons run half off the screen. |
| 08:24.53 | Wobin | http://community.livejournal.com/metaquotes/7283308.html?nc=13&style=mine |
| 08:24.53 | Antiarc | Changing that would require a rewrite of the icon positioning and label positioning code, default splash anchor positioning, and would be variable with icon size, which isn't fantastic |
| 08:25.13 | DWSR | Antiarc: Can't you just...."bind" the icon to the screen? |
| 08:25.22 | DWSR | second |
| 08:25.36 | Antiarc | Ehhhhhh. That smells like a hack again. |
| 08:25.41 | DWSR | s/"bind"/clamp/ |
| 08:25.49 | Antiarc | If you mean clam...yeah |
| 08:25.55 | DWSR | Couldn't think of the word. |
| 08:26.04 | Antiarc | It wouldn't go off the screen, but it wouldn't be -right- :P |
| 08:26.07 | DWSR | Why not? |
| 08:26.15 | Antiarc | Because the positioning wouldn't be accurate |
| 08:26.26 | DWSR | The bars themselves are clamped, correct? |
| 08:26.34 | Antiarc | Don't think so, though I may be wrong. |
| 08:26.45 | Antiarc | Nope, they aren't |
| 08:26.48 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 08:27.22 | DWSR | Why would you ever have the bar off the screen? |
| 08:27.47 | Antiarc | You might want it to run up against the edge, and clamping clamps the logical boundaries, not the visible boundaries |
| 08:28.03 | Antiarc | So the clamp limit ends up being the edge minus the frame backdrop's inset |
| 08:28.12 | Antiarc | Which doesn't let you run the frame to the true edge of the screen |
| 08:28.15 | Antiarc | Which annoys a lot of people |
| 08:28.27 | DWSR | right |
| 08:28.34 | DWSR | ok, that makes sense. |
| 08:28.43 | DWSR | But, i dunno. |
| 08:28.51 | DWSR | Having icons off the screen is actually retarded. :P |
| 08:29.24 | Antiarc | Having icons not respect their anchoring on the bar is arguably also retarded |
| 08:29.33 | Antiarc | Also, the max getter doesn't support functions, sadly |
| 08:29.42 | Antiarc | Which basically makes a variable max value a pain in the ass. |
| 08:30.33 | DWSR | imo, icon clamping or something would be *really* nice, because having all my raid buff icons half way off the screen makes it a right pita to see what I'm missing |
| 08:31.00 | Antiarc | Hrm. I could add a toggle for it. |
| 08:31.39 | Antiarc | I'm gonna make one concession, double the bar width to full, and increase max time to 30m |
| 08:31.45 | Antiarc | That leaves it still usable on the slider |
| 08:32.36 | DWSR | I jumped to sexycooldowns because it replaced FX. |
| 08:32.45 | DWSR | And it had a bunch of features I thought FX was missing. |
| 08:32.58 | DWSR | The only thing that's really bugging me is the limited time span, the icons is sorta meh. |
| 08:33.00 | DWSR | I get used to it. |
| 08:33.09 | DWSR | Nice to fix, but not breaking. |
| 08:34.36 | DWSR | What's that launchy-like addon for wow? |
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| 08:37.13 | Antiarc | (1:36:58 AM) Repo: sexycooldown: Antiarc master * v0.6.11 / (3 files in 2 directories): [+1 commit] Change bar max bound to 1800, double slider width. Add option to clamp icons to screen. |
| 08:37.15 | Antiarc | There. :P |
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| 08:38.16 | DWSR | beauty. |
| 08:38.21 | DWSR | Can I grab it via curse client now? |
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| 08:40.09 | Antiarc | Once it hits the packager, yeah |
| 08:43.02 | DWSR | any way to tell when that happens? |
| 08:43.06 | DWSR | Eager to get those things fixed. |
| 08:44.27 | DWSR | Antiarc: Additionally, it would be cool if you could solve moving the chat tabs from the top to the bottom of the chat frame, as a seperate addon of course. :P |
| 08:48.26 | DWSR | Is there any way to bind a key to open the battleground tab? |
| 08:48.32 | DWSR | All I can find is the PVP Frame. |
| 08:49.34 | Bruners | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1257756376848.jpg |
| 08:50.10 | Torhal | Bruners: ... |
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| 08:54.00 | DWSR | Does the wowace packager report times in UTC? |
| 08:56.08 | mitch0 | yes |
| 08:58.02 | DWSR | awesome, the packager only took 5 minutes |
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| 09:00.01 | DWSR | Antiarc: zomg awesomeness! |
| 09:00.05 | DWSR | Antiarc: ^5! |
| 09:02.07 | DWSR | dood, you're awesome. :) |
| 09:06.48 | Torhal | Urgh. I'm having a really hard time watching the latest SGU |
| 09:11.12 | DWSR | why? |
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| 09:20.04 | Torhal | Eh, the nightclub scene and the whole "visit home" dialog. |
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| 09:22.08 | DWSR | How's SGU in comparison to the other 2? |
| 09:22.26 | Arrowmaster | its more like BSG than SG |
| 09:22.28 | Antiarc | It's more BSG than Stargate |
| 09:22.33 | Antiarc | But if it can find its own groove, it has potential |
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| 09:22.56 | Antiarc | I'll give it a season, at least. SG-1 sucked first season too. |
| 09:23.04 | Arrowmaster | eventually Eli is going to have to wash that shirt |
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| 09:44.15 | Wobin | As non-Australians, how do you lot see our Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd? |
| 09:45.03 | Codayus_ | 95% are going to say "who?". Unless they're Americans, in which case most will say "where?". :-) |
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| 09:46.52 | EthanCentaurai | Rudd van Nisselroy? |
| 09:48.30 | Codayus_ | Personally...hm. Seems like he doesn't really have much in the way of a plan or firm ideology, so muddles on from problem to problem. Hasn't caused any serious disasters I can recall offhand, so what the hell, that puts him one up on a lot of PMs and presidents. |
| 09:50.20 | Codayus_ | Wobin: Why? |
| 09:50.44 | Wobin | Just would like to hear what people's opinions are of him |
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| 09:55.42 | Codayus_ | shrugs |
| 09:56.11 | Wobin | http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,26323539-5014090,00.html |
| 09:56.40 | Wobin | I'm not sure if he holds the right image of what's needed |
| 09:56.47 | Wobin | in the view of the rest of the world |
| 09:57.36 | Codayus_ | Hmm |
| 09:58.23 | Codayus_ | I would have placed him more in the "incredibly bland and interchangable politician" category than the "brand ambassador" category. Maybe he grows on you if you hear him speak or something. |
| 09:59.13 | Codayus_ | *shrug* Maybe that's just tradition kiwi snobbery or something. :) |
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| 09:59.55 | Wobin | Codayus_, I've seen your PM on Letterman =P |
| 10:00.19 | Codayus_ | Yeah? And how did he come across to you? |
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| 10:01.26 | Wobin | Amusing, in content |
| 10:01.29 | Wobin | but... I dunno |
| 10:01.35 | Wobin | He's a Prime Minister |
| 10:01.39 | Wobin | essentially doing stand up |
| 10:01.42 | Wobin | on -Letterman- |
| 10:01.45 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 10:02.05 | Wobin | The actual top ten wasn't that good |
| 10:02.12 | Wobin | it was just the accent that pushed it through I think =) |
| 10:02.53 | Codayus_ | *shrug* I'd say Keyes approach is better; he connects well with people, and is a lot easier to like than someone like Rudd. Then again, IIRC, Rudd is still quite popular in Australia, so... |
| 10:03.21 | Codayus_ | Not sure that sort of politics translates into different political cultures. |
| 10:04.23 | Wobin | yeah |
| 10:04.30 | Wobin | which is why I asked =) |
| 10:05.24 | Wobin | I think I'd have to see Keyes in a less... er.. variety show setting to get a better understanding |
| 10:05.59 | Codayus_ | From a *policy* point of view, I think Key is way ahead of Rudd. |
| 10:07.02 | Codayus_ | But policy so rarely has much to do with how politicans are viewed. :) |
| 10:07.21 | Wobin | well, you can promise anything, really =) |
| 10:09.04 | Codayus_ | True. |
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| 10:21.10 | DWSR | np: Empire Of The Sun - We Are The People (The Shapeshifters Vocal Remix) [03:44m/1014kbps/44kHz] |
| 10:29.53 | Fisker | i could just slap you though Wobin |
| 10:29.56 | Fisker | you should remember that |
| 10:31.46 | Fisker | hurr hurr |
| 10:32.04 | Fisker | the tool Microsoft give law enforcement agencies was leaked |
| 10:36.55 | Wobin | old news Fisker |
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| 10:48.09 | Fisker | well i'm sleeping with your mother then |
| 10:48.12 | Fisker | is that old news Wobin ? |
| 10:49.46 | Wobin | yes? She was complaining the other day. I think you need to look into some viagra |
| 10:50.12 | Fisker | :/ |
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| 11:18.09 | Arrowmaster | im finally starting to watch Umineko no Naku Koro ni, im so late i think its already on ep 19 or 20 now |
| 11:18.10 | DWSR | any math students in that can help with an infinite series question? |
| 11:20.16 | Arrowmaster | first ep diffidently not as catching as the first ep of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni |
| 11:22.24 | DWSR | anyone? no? |
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| 11:52.02 | Arrowmaster | oh this is better, ep2 ended with lots of dead bodies, thats more like it |
| 11:55.13 | haste | Arrowmaster: There is no being slow at watching series! |
| 11:55.58 | Arrowmaster | slow to start watching it then |
| 11:56.12 | sylvaan | good morning |
| 11:56.15 | sylvaan | ugh |
| 11:56.16 | Arrowmaster | i marathon it if i got it |
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| 11:58.18 | haste | Arrowmaster: there is no slow to start watching it either! D: |
| 11:58.31 | haste | I've yet to see Noir for example :p |
| 11:58.42 | Arrowmaster | neither have i |
| 11:58.51 | haste | \:D/ |
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| 12:12.09 | Fisker | http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/11/09/murdoch-could-block-google-searches <-watch out he knows robots.txt-fu |
| 12:19.50 | Arrowmaster | im not sure if google only being able to get the first paragraph of WSJ is because of useragent hijinx or just because thats how news is online now |
| 12:20.17 | Arrowmaster | wheres that comic showing past and preset where preset is just a top 10 split over 10 pages |
| 12:22.11 | Arrowmaster | sleeps |
| 12:23.12 | Fisker | joins Arrowmaster |
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| 13:21.11 | amro | Adys: ping |
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| 13:35.36 | Aelo | meow |
| 13:51.21 | Adys | amro: pong |
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| 14:28.16 | Aelo | can you buy and sell back the argent tournament tabards? |
| 14:29.10 | DWSR | no |
| 14:29.17 | Aelo | dam :< |
| 14:33.53 | olafski | why not? :( |
| 14:38.57 | olafski | thought you could sell items back if you bought them with those seals |
| 14:39.08 | Aelo | me too |
| 14:39.15 | Aelo | was planning an easy tabard of the achiever :P |
| 14:39.45 | olafski | :) |
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| 14:42.22 | Kraps | mmoc is down |
| 14:42.29 | Aelo | oh apparently they dont count towards the achievement anyway |
| 14:43.06 | olafski | aelo: last time I checked they do |
| 14:43.33 | Aelo | halfway through reading the wowhead comments ;P |
| 14:43.52 | Aelo | ah, fixed in 3.2 |
| 14:44.08 | Aelo | and can't be vendored back |
| 14:53.18 | pompy | Kraps: worked for me |
| 14:53.34 | Kraps | yeah now it works |
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| 15:43.38 | Legorol | Has anyone else noticed as well that untalented Devotion Aura and Stoneskin Totem stack? Even though they are in the same buff class and aren't supposed to. |
| 15:43.38 | Legorol | I don't know about talented versions |
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| 15:45.47 | BuglouseR | Trying to remove the Combat Indicator Icon from Unit Frame. Using XPerl. Can I remove the Icon file from the directory structure? |
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| 15:50.11 | Codayus_ | Legorol: AFAIK, they always stack. |
| 15:51.05 | Legorol | Codayus_: according to wowwiki.com/Buffs they are not supposed to |
| 15:51.09 | Legorol | this makes them imba in raids |
| 15:52.27 | Codayus_ | Legorol: Hm, the wowwiki page for stoneskin notes that they stack, the page for devotion says nothing, and the general buff page implies they don't. |
| 15:52.40 | Legorol | weird |
| 15:52.47 | Codayus_ | Not sure where the info on the Buffs page came from - whether a blue post or just general guesswork. |
| 15:53.15 | Codayus_ | I don't think they've ever *not* stacked. Hm. |
| 15:54.28 | olafski | that big blue post doesn't mention devotion aura at all |
| 15:54.35 | olafski | nor stoneskin totem |
| 15:56.00 | Codayus_ | Most raid comp tools (MMO champion, etc.,) don't mention that class of buffs, probably because they cribbed from the blue post. I wonder where the info on the wowwiki page came from... |
| 15:57.41 | Codayus_ | Seems like something that must be an oversite on Bliz's part? |
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| 16:21.33 | Gnarfoz | can someone point me at a macro you can use to measure a certain ability's GCD? |
| 16:23.38 | zenzelezz | points |
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| 16:23.47 | kdtresh | join #norganna-dev |
| 16:23.51 | kdtresh | hides |
| 16:24.29 | zenzelezz | http://failblog.org/2009/11/08/mom-fail/ |
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| 16:31.46 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:31.48 | Fisker | slaps kdtresh around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:31.55 | Fisker | this is old zenzelezz |
| 16:31.56 | Fisker | die |
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| 16:33.54 | zenzelezz | y u h8 Fisker |
| 16:35.10 | Lopeppeppy | It's his breakfast vitamin. |
| 16:36.21 | zenzelezz | peppy's my breakfast vitamin |
| 16:37.28 | Lopeppeppy | Meow? |
| 16:38.11 | zenzelezz | purr |
| 16:42.13 | Fisker | you're both my vitamins |
| 16:42.34 | zenzelezz | I can assure you peppy tastes much better |
| 16:42.34 | Fisker | and i hate vitamins |
| 16:44.09 | Fisker | damn |
| 16:44.12 | Fisker | 555558 |
| 16:44.15 | Fisker | need all 5's |
| 16:44.42 | zenzelezz | no fives for you! Come back one year! |
| 16:45.46 | Lopeppeppy | Drink more ovaltine. |
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| 17:04.31 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T67AewxhBaQ |
| 17:13.28 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:13.51 | Aelo | mikma: lol |
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| 17:13.59 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. |
| 17:19.58 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:21.33 | Shirik | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large ï»ï·¼ïº¾ï»ï»µ |
| 17:21.43 | Fisker | burps Shirik in the face |
| 17:22.38 | Shirik | Ûs |
| 17:22.41 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 17:22.49 | Shirik | Û |
| 17:22.53 | Shirik | Ûs |
| 17:22.58 | Shirik | Ûs |
| 17:23.05 | Shirik | Shadowed, I think there's a vulnerability in your client |
| 17:23.19 | Shadowed | wouldn't surprise me |
| 17:23.22 | Shadowed | it's a pretty terrible client |
| 17:23.35 | Shirik | (12:22:44) * @Shirik Ûs |
| 17:25.29 | nevcairiel | lua> #("Û") |
| 17:25.30 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 2 |
| 17:25.59 | nevcairiel | lua> ("Û"):byte() |
| 17:26.00 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 219 |
| 17:26.02 | nevcairiel | lua> ("Û"):byte(2) |
| 17:26.02 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 158 |
| 17:26.10 | nevcairiel | hm nothing special |
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| 17:27.12 | Lunessa | Station! |
| 17:28.54 | cog|away | hai! |
| 17:30.01 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:30.27 | nevcairiel | Shirik: i just noticed in the log |
| 17:30.32 | nevcairiel | [18:23:36] * Received unknown CTCP by Shirik!n=mpdelbuo@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik |
| 17:30.40 | nevcairiel | you must be triggering something funny with that char |
| 17:30.42 | Lunessa | dumps a truck load of week-old fish on Fisker |
| 17:30.50 | Fisker | slaps Lunessa around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:30.51 | Fisker | AMMO! |
| 17:32.17 | Shirik | nevcairiel, I don't think it's anything special |
| 17:32.21 | Shirik | CTCP should always start with \1 |
| 17:34.02 | nevcairiel | Hm, the line appeared when you copy/pasted the response from Shadowed, not the funny char |
| 17:34.08 | nevcairiel | i should compare times more carefully |
| 17:34.27 | Fisker | your client sucks |
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| 17:40.39 | Shirik | oh nevcairiel |
| 17:40.41 | Shirik | you're right |
| 17:40.48 | Shirik | Shadowed's response has a \1 in it |
| 17:41.03 | Shirik | which, btw, means your client is probably doing something wrong as well (\1 has to be at the beginning) |
| 17:41.12 | nevcairiel | it doesnt have to be |
| 17:41.21 | nevcairiel | i thought it had to, but thats not true |
| 17:41.23 | Shirik | Pretty sure it does |
| 17:41.29 | nevcairiel | read the revised irc rfcs |
| 17:41.29 | Shirik | goes to the RFC |
| 17:41.53 | nevcairiel | you can even combine multiple ctcps in one line |
| 17:42.51 | Shirik | apparently so |
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| 17:45.00 | Fisker | slaps Shirik|AFK around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:04.36 | cog|work | sticks a small herring up Fisker's nose |
| 18:09.48 | Lunessa | You must cut down a tree with an herring! |
| 18:10.46 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:12.39 | Lopeppeppy | offers Lunessa a herring? |
| 18:12.41 | Lunessa | cog|work: You have too many smart phones. |
| 18:13.03 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy until she turns slightly blue. |
| 18:14.54 | Lopeppeppy | I think I already was, Lunessa. Being sick forever sucks. |
| 18:15.04 | Lunessa | :( |
| 18:21.12 | DWSR | anyone know an app that's good for drawing vector diagrams? |
| 18:22.05 | cog|work | dia? inkscape? |
| 18:23.04 | DWSR | huh |
| 18:23.11 | DWSR | dia == FOSS Visio? |
| 18:23.19 | DWSR | Because I have visio, just didn't think to use it. |
| 18:23.57 | zenzelezz | and here I was wondering why he wanted you to die in an inkscape |
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| 18:25.04 | DWSR | Also, does anyone have an alternative to Word's fucking brutual equation editor? |
| 18:25.10 | DWSR | Preferably something that uses Latex. |
| 18:25.12 | DWSR | LaTeX* |
| 18:29.01 | NightHawkTheSane | how about... LaTeX? :P |
| 18:29.24 | DWSR | NHTS: It's my understanding that I need something that understand latex and will convert it into my beautiful equations. |
| 18:29.28 | DWSR | I don't have that something. |
| 18:29.34 | DWSR | That something is what I'm after. |
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| 18:34.42 | NightHawkTheSane | er, what exactly do you need? |
| 18:35.05 | NightHawkTheSane | because you can just write latex in any text editor and run it through a renderer of some sort |
| 18:37.59 | Fisker | slaps NightHawkTheSane around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:39.18 | cbreak | DWSR: which OS are you on? |
| 18:39.23 | DWSR | 7 |
| 18:39.28 | cbreak | suse? |
| 18:39.31 | cbreak | ubuntu? |
| 18:39.33 | DWSR | windows |
| 18:39.35 | cbreak | :/ |
| 18:39.47 | DWSR | don't you fucking look at me like that. :P |
| 18:40.04 | cbreak | http://miktex.org/ |
| 18:40.07 | DWSR | W7 isn't bad. |
| 18:40.27 | cbreak | I've not used that myself, but a coworker did for the few hours I could convince him to try latex |
| 18:40.51 | cbreak | I use http://www.tug.org/texlive/ |
| 18:41.04 | amro | http://www.lyx.org/ |
| 18:41.05 | cbreak | (mac os version) |
| 18:41.33 | DWSR | cbreak: Does that include a document editor? |
| 18:41.41 | cbreak | a text editor? |
| 18:41.46 | cbreak | I think so |
| 18:42.00 | DWSR | No special TeX document editors? |
| 18:42.09 | cbreak | I use a special one |
| 18:42.19 | cbreak | but the only thing that's special is the "render now" button and the preview |
| 18:42.35 | cbreak | (I think there's one in miktex) |
| 18:42.46 | cbreak | I use TeXShop, but that's OS X only |
| 18:42.54 | amro | lyx is good for equations |
| 18:43.26 | olafski | miktex to compile, any text editor works for editing.. though there are some with some helping features I guess |
| 18:43.35 | olafski | Texclipse for instance, or Winedt(?) |
| 18:44.34 | Pneumatus | texmate on windows |
| 18:44.53 | cbreak | btw |
| 18:45.00 | cbreak | I recommend XeTeX instead of LaTeX |
| 18:45.10 | cbreak | it has some really nice features |
| 18:45.27 | cbreak | such as improved rendering, easier font support and a strict unicode base |
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| 18:48.30 | Codayus_ | DWSR: MS's equation editor is actually pretty decent once you're used to it. That being said, if all you want is equations... |
| 18:48.35 | Codayus_ | http://www.codecogs.com/components/equationeditor/equationeditor.php |
| 18:48.53 | DWSR | Codayus_: It doesn't support keyboard shortcuts. |
| 18:49.01 | DWSR | m_1 != m subscript 1. |
| 18:49.08 | DWSR | Not reasonable shortcuts. |
| 18:49.28 | DWSR | to get the subscript I have to do Ctrl+Shift+Alt+Page Up+Bow Down +- |
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| 18:51.42 | DWSR | Navigation is a fucking nightmare in an equation |
| 18:52.14 | NightHawkTheSane | what the crap? |
| 18:52.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ubuntu decided to add its own .../javascript alias to my apache config. |
| 18:52.45 | DWSR | Fail. |
| 18:52.53 | DWSR | The fail is strong with this one. |
| 18:53.00 | olafski | pretty nice codayus_, thanks :) |
| 18:53.03 | NightHawkTheSane | took me forever to figure out why i couldn't access my own javascript dir. |
| 18:53.06 | cbreak | javascript? pepole still use that' :( |
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| 18:53.53 | foxlit | Hurray for client freezes. |
| 18:54.05 | Codayus_ | cbreak: .... |
| 18:54.05 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: got a better language for scripting a web page that is supported by basically every browser and has nice libraries for doing annoying crap? :\ |
| 18:54.27 | Codayus_ | NightHawkTheSane: Java applets! |
| 18:54.28 | olafski | haha hating on javascript is so 2002 |
| 18:54.28 | cbreak | I have HTML. |
| 18:55.25 | DWSR | I have C. |
| 18:55.31 | Codayus_ | cbreak: Yeah, and I have a hammer. ...we are just listing random tools that are used for completely different purposes here, right? |
| 18:55.47 | cbreak | ever heard of the purpose of a web browser? |
| 18:55.51 | DWSR | No. |
| 18:55.53 | cbreak | it's not to execute arbitrary code |
| 18:55.57 | DWSR | Yes it is. |
| 18:56.01 | olafski | state your source please |
| 18:56.09 | amro | cbreak: is it 1995 where you live? |
| 18:56.19 | olafski | I wonder who established the purpose of a web browser :) |
| 18:56.39 | cbreak | I live in a future, where security nightmares happen daily. Where the user's machine can be hijacked by random banner adds |
| 18:56.43 | cbreak | in a world... with java script |
| 18:56.56 | cbreak | *dun dun dun* |
| 18:57.00 | DWSR | Dance with the devil at your own risk, in the twilight zone.; |
| 18:57.02 | DWSR | ;) |
| 18:57.05 | foxlit | To be fair, is JS actually responsible for those hijacks? |
| 18:57.06 | olafski | interesting |
| 18:57.16 | foxlit | I was under the impression that Adobe is to blame for everything. |
| 18:57.20 | cbreak | no, but more complexity means more vulnerability |
| 18:57.23 | Codayus_ | I think I want to live in your world, sounds more exciting than mine. |
| 18:57.27 | olafski | I live in a world where pages can update partially to save bandwidth and provide a better user experience |
| 18:57.32 | cbreak | adobe is to blame for the holes in flash and reader |
| 18:57.33 | olafski | a world... with javascript |
| 18:57.53 | foxlit | I live in a world where bandwidth is cheap and your pages small. |
| 18:57.54 | Vilkku | weird request time: unit frames just for main tanks, nothing else, which get info from the blizz frames (not like ora2 where you have to set it yourself) |
| 18:58.35 | DWSR | pb4. |
| 18:58.45 | cbreak | ora2 gets it from the raid leader |
| 18:58.56 | DWSR | If your question has the words "Unit Frames" in it: pb4. |
| 18:59.08 | foxlit | cbreak: only if the raid assistants are using ora2 :) |
| 18:59.44 | DWSR | PB4 Vilkku |
| 19:00.52 | Lopeppeppy | pikachu |
| 19:01.04 | Vilkku | cbreak, issue is that not many people I raid with use it |
| 19:01.11 | Vilkku | and it's annoying to set it twice |
| 19:01.23 | Vilkku | thanks for reminding me of PB, didn't think of that at all tbh :P |
| 19:01.27 | cbreak | I haven't seen anyone use the default frames in ages |
| 19:01.41 | Vilkku | cbreak, I don't mean using the default frames properly |
| 19:01.45 | Vilkku | but setting tanks in there |
| 19:02.31 | DWSR | Most people I know just put a stupid charm over their head. |
| 19:02.55 | DWSR | I dunno, I'm just used to the days of "If you aren't wearing plate and you're in front of 39 other people, we're going to let you die" |
| 19:03.16 | DWSR | No, now it's follow the star to neverland. |
| 19:03.43 | olafski | yarr bring back the days where warriors were the only tanks! |
| 19:03.52 | olafski | and where a good geared tank had 12k hp raidbuffed ;) |
| 19:04.04 | Codayus_ | DWSR: Wait, what? m_1 is m subscript 1. Oo |
| 19:04.21 | olafski | codayus_: I think he meant that in the MS equation editor it isn't |
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| 19:04.27 | Codayus_ | olafski: But it is. :) |
| 19:04.34 | olafski | oh |
| 19:04.39 | olafski | well I've never tried using that :) |
| 19:04.49 | DWSR | Codayus_: Not in fail MS Equation editor. |
| 19:04.50 | Codayus_ | Possibly not in older version though. YMMV. |
| 19:05.02 | DWSR | Codayus_: I'm using 2007. |
| 19:05.11 | DWSR | IS 2010 even out? |
| 19:05.17 | Codayus_ | No. |
| 19:05.37 | DWSR | I have to fucking hit ENTER? |
| 19:05.40 | DWSR | What the FUCK? |
| 19:05.45 | DWSR | Who's RETARD idea was that? |
| 19:05.49 | olafski | I only use word for 2-3 page documents, anything more, or if it has maths, I use latex :) |
| 19:06.03 | DWSR | Ok Codayus_, so I'll give you that that works. |
| 19:06.08 | DWSR | But why the FUCK would I ever hit ENTER? |
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| 19:06.13 | DWSR | And then BACKSPACe. |
| 19:08.02 | DWSR | That's about as bad as wiggling my mouse to do that shit. |
| 19:08.13 | Codayus_ | *shrug* Honestly, I've never used the Word 2007 equation thing, and it's confusing me. Made more sense in 2003...like most of Word. Space appears to work too, or an operator. Or change to linear mode, and just type everything and let it format it. |
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| 19:09.49 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, some people shouldn't be allowed near compters. |
| 19:09.52 | NightHawkTheSane | computers* |
| 19:10.02 | Codayus_ | The whole linear/professional mode thing is completely new to 2007, and...hmm. Yeah, I think I liked the older equation editor better. ...plus, unless I'm hallucinating, they changed every keyboard shortcut from the older version. |
| 19:10.07 | Codayus_ | Why would they even *DO* that? Oo |
| 19:10.38 | NightHawkTheSane | "<span style="..."><li><span style="...">Some Text</span></li></span>" <-- an actual line from this html file im editing. >< |
| 19:10.42 | NightHawkTheSane | cries a little |
| 19:11.15 | Lopeppeppy | Makes me cry sometimes at night, how tangled the old Dreamweaver sites have gotten... |
| 19:11.35 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: That could possibly be a meaningful construct; but it probably isn't. |
| 19:12.47 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: i'm pretty sure there's no valid construct that goes <span><li><span> that isn't -better- represented with something less stupid. |
| 19:13.09 | alestane | It would be hard, yes. |
| 19:13.10 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 19:13.13 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: plus, the complete lack of using an external stylesheet is just ugly |
| 19:13.16 | olafski | maybe there used to be more text in there, which is now removed but they didn't bother to refactor |
| 19:13.17 | Shirik | why do you insist on sending a ping to my bnc |
| 19:13.48 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: no, sadly there never was. regardless, i dont know that a span is a valid direct child of a ul element in any case.. |
| 19:14.13 | alestane | I do run into times when it makes sense to use a style attribute over a class or body style, but that's as a supplement to a stylesheet, not a replacement for it. |
| 19:14.13 | Lopeppeppy | It's a product of sloppy editing and re-editing over time, in my observation of my own sheeple. |
| 19:14.59 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:15.40 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy again |
| 19:15.41 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: also worth noting that the entire page is filled with lines like that. its not really an abberation. :\ |
| 19:16.07 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: I wasn't really trying to defend them. I can imagine how awful the coding likely is. |
| 19:16.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i know, i was just saying for clarity :) |
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| 19:17.02 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple suck. |
| 19:17.13 | Lopeppeppy | comforts NHTS. She has a voodoo sheeple, did she mention? |
| 19:17.49 | Codayus_ | DWSR: Ah. Instead of inserting an equation, insert -> object -> Microsoft Equation 3.0. Gives the older equation editor, which is, IMHO, a lot more useful. Shortcuts are unintuitive, but very usable. ...LaTeX is probably a better choice, of course. |
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| 19:19.52 | DWSR | Codayus_: Used Mathbin + LaTeX and generated images. |
| 19:19.57 | DWSR | Codayus_: Ugly as sin, but works. |
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| 19:21.57 | Codayus_ | yeah, good plan. |
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| 19:28.26 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/660/ *snrk* |
| 19:29.15 | nevcairiel | I'm probably not enough into physics to see the real humor in that |
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| 19:33.19 | Shirik | So I have the service manuals for our vehicle on DVD |
| 19:33.32 | Shirik | it is a very complex program that they use to store the data |
| 19:33.45 | Shirik | it is 2 DVDs, each with a 4GB ZIP file that I have to extract |
| 19:33.50 | Shirik | very custom stuff |
| 19:33.51 | kdtresh | awww, so it's not narrated? |
| 19:35.08 | kdtresh | i was envisioning 3d diagrams with a soundtrack |
| 19:35.15 | Shirik | My favorite part I think is the actual service "application" |
| 19:35.25 | Shirik | is Apache Tomcat on CD with a bunch of Java classes |
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| 19:36.44 | nevcairiel | easier then writing your own GUI :D |
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| 19:41.26 | AbsolutRayne | Rage |
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| 19:42.46 | AbsolutRayne | Ok, need someone really good with MSBT. Cause now im wondering how to do this myself. |
| 19:43.53 | mikma | there is no way of doing it, absolutrayne |
| 19:44.01 | AbsolutRayne | Really Mik? |
| 19:44.10 | AbsolutRayne | poo |
| 19:45.35 | AbsolutRayne | Im guessing it would have to do with not being able to properly pick up stack applications in the Combat log? |
| 19:46.11 | nevcairiel | they fixed that, you should be able to detect stacks fine |
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| 19:55.46 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5400548/are-google-voice-calls-to-and-from-your-computer-coming |
| 19:57.31 | durcyn | Thunder_Child: i thought the speculation was that Skype was going to buy Gizmo. Huh. |
| 19:58.38 | Shirik | According to the US Mint, the costs of producing and shipping one-cent (penny) and five-cent (nickel) coins during fiscal year 2007 were $0.0167 per penny and $0.0953 per nickel. |
| 19:58.40 | Shirik | o.O |
| 19:58.59 | Shirik | ^ The real reason for the depression imo |
| 19:59.24 | Arrowmaster` | its been like that for a long time |
| 20:02.51 | Shirik | durcyn: Doubtful |
| 20:02.59 | Shirik | The problem is Skype is failing already |
| 20:03.08 | Shirik | I seriously doubt they'd bye anyone |
| 20:03.10 | Shirik | buy* |
| 20:03.27 | foxlit | The Skype is falling! |
| 20:03.35 | Lopeppeppy | runs around in circles. |
| 20:04.13 | Shirik | pokes Lopeppeppy |
| 20:08.02 | Arrowmaster | this is diffidently more like it, watching Umineko no Naku Koro ni and was disappointed that everybody was still alive at the end of ep1 which was a lot different than Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, but now everybody is dead at the end of ep5 so its all better |
| 20:08.05 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi. |
| 20:10.27 | AbsolutRayne | Yawn @_@ |
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| 20:11.32 | alestane | "While the sunset cries?" |
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| 20:13.34 | AbsolutRayne | My wifes cat is asleep on her chair next to me. I think he misses her alot during the day. |
| 20:15.51 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. more likely: "Ahah! she's gone and now I HAVE THE CHAIR!" |
| 20:16.11 | Arrowmaster | alestane: seagulls |
| 20:16.32 | alestane | If you want the best seat in the house...move the cat. |
| 20:16.48 | Lopeppeppy | At peril of your skin. |
| 20:16.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 20:16.56 | alestane | Higurashi was sunset was I checked. |
| 20:17.18 | mikma | haste: http://punaperse.apina.biz/full/22617.gif |
| 20:17.21 | Arrowmaster | oh that one, cicadas |
| 20:17.33 | alestane | Right. |
| 20:17.49 | alestane | Homonyms will trip you up every time. |
| 20:17.58 | alestane | Especially if you only know one of them. |
| 20:18.25 | Aelo | can druids use mining or herbalism or both whilst flying? |
| 20:18.43 | Pneumatus | herbalism, not mining |
| 20:18.50 | Pneumatus | have to switch out of birdform to mine |
| 20:19.11 | alestane | They can pick flowers without leaving flight form. I thought I'd seen them so the same mining but I could be wrong about that. |
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| 20:21.37 | Shirik | is really getting sick of the internet dying |
| 20:22.05 | sylvanaar | skinning and herbing |
| 20:22.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: yeah, well the internet is pretty sick of you dying too. :P |
| 20:22.34 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:23.07 | NightHawkTheSane | also, my net connection has been really slow today. >< |
| 20:24.19 | Shirik | the internets |
| 20:24.20 | Shirik | they are dying |
| 20:24.33 | Shirik | I blame Fisker |
| 20:28.30 | durcyn | Shirik: nah, they were sniffing around gizmo when the lawsuit happened, as a fallback |
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| 20:34.02 | Fisker | i wouldn't just blame me Shirik |
| 20:34.26 | Shirik | Fisker and Fisker-? |
| 20:34.45 | batrick | hi shirik |
| 20:34.50 | Shirik | hi batrick |
| 20:35.02 | Shirik | do you have any experience with LuaJIT? |
| 20:35.07 | Lunessa | Son of Jor-el, kneel before Zod! |
| 20:35.53 | batrick | none really |
| 20:35.56 | batrick | y |
| 20:36.10 | Fisker | you wouldn't demand a refund Shirik |
| 20:37.30 | AbsolutRayne | slams his head into his desk |
| 20:37.53 | Thunder_Child | AbsolutRayne, pic please |
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| 20:39.13 | Shirik | as I was saying before my internets decided to die |
| 20:39.20 | Shirik | batrick, do you have experience with LuaJIT? |
| 20:39.35 | batrick | none really~ |
| 20:39.54 | AbsolutRayne | I just want Alliance on this BG to stop being so horrible. |
| 20:39.56 | AbsolutRayne | -_- |
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| 20:59.54 | NightHawkTheSane | this comment confuses me: "As far as style goes, most of the people IâÂÂve met using iPhones were overweight middle-aged men. Most of the G1 users that Iâ've met were attractive slender women between the ages of 20 and 40." |
| 21:00.12 | NightHawkTheSane | (via : http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/11/05/my-year-with-android/ ) |
| 21:00.42 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Someone confuses poor observational skills with statements of reality. |
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| 21:01.07 | zenzelezz | most of the hot girls I've seen have been hot girls |
| 21:01.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: thats what i'm thinking. the rest of the article isn't too bad. *shrug* |
| 21:02.16 | Lunessa | However, I'm an overweight nearly middle-aged man who just bought an iPhone. |
| 21:02.29 | nevcairiel | So its true |
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| 21:03.06 | Thunder_Child | so whats middle age now? |
| 21:03.19 | Lopeppeppy | 21! |
| 21:03.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i dont know a single attractive women who owns a g1. and most of the people i know with iphones are not middle-aged men. *shrug* |
| 21:03.40 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: 40. :P |
| 21:03.51 | Lopeppeppy | 12? |
| 21:03.51 | nevcairiel | I don't know many people with either an iPhone or a G1 |
| 21:04.07 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, attractive is subjective |
| 21:04.20 | nevcairiel | I just pre-ordered another android phone though =p |
| 21:04.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: how about "generally attractive within the bounds of social normality"? |
| 21:05.15 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, subjective |
| 21:05.20 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 21:05.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i want a phone as well done as the iphone, but running android :P |
| 21:05.36 | nevcairiel | meh the iphone isnt that perfect |
| 21:05.55 | NightHawkTheSane | not perfect, no, but still one the best currently available smart phones |
| 21:06.18 | Thunder_Child | not that id call it a smart phone |
| 21:06.21 | NightHawkTheSane | google needs to ruthlessly steal iphoneos's on screen keyboard |
| 21:06.23 | nevcairiel | the typical apple attitude in design annoys me, no changeable batteries, no memory cards |
| 21:06.33 | Lunessa | I'm happier with it than I was with my Blackberry Pearl - which of course shipped before the first iPhone. |
| 21:06.59 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yeah, but you're not really a typical user. i'd wager 90% of phone users don't need those things |
| 21:07.13 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Why do you need a memory card when you have WiFi, 3G or bluetooth always? |
| 21:07.16 | NightHawkTheSane | the iphone comes with enough space to be comparable with an sdcard |
| 21:07.56 | NightHawkTheSane | (and if you absolutely MUST have extra power, there are 3rd party devices that can supplument the iphones battery) |
| 21:08.25 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: i just don't like them forcing me into their pricing scheme, pay moar to get a bigger drive |
| 21:08.29 | cbreak | external photovoltaic cells ftw! |
| 21:08.43 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: that'd be neat, actually. |
| 21:08.55 | cbreak | I saw that for power books ages ago |
| 21:08.59 | nevcairiel | also 8gb is full fast |
| 21:09.02 | cbreak | I doubt it could even charge one in a day |
| 21:09.09 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, |
| 21:09.10 | nevcairiel | i have a 30gb video ipod and i always delete stuff :( |
| 21:09.28 | NightHawkTheSane | but for a little bit of power if you can't get back to an outlet it might be nice. |
| 21:09.43 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Yeah. But you can save data to something like DropBox or what have you. I just don't want to have one more thing to loose or break. |
| 21:10.02 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: see, there is another thing. I dont like the trend to combine music (and to a lesser extent) video players with phones |
| 21:10.05 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: i don't want to carry around replacement cards with me, i just want to be able to put a bigger one in |
| 21:10.29 | cbreak | I use my mobile computing devices just as terminal to my base station |
| 21:10.32 | NightHawkTheSane | I have a 160gb ipod that i use for my music. I don't, and don't WANT to, listen to music on my phone. |
| 21:10.43 | nevcairiel | why carry around 2 devices? |
| 21:10.56 | NightHawkTheSane | because i dont want to listen to music all day, and then realize i just drained my phones power. |
| 21:10.56 | nevcairiel | an ipod touch is just a iphone without the phone |
| 21:11.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont have a touch, i have a classic ipod. the battery in it lasts forever :) |
| 21:11.58 | nevcairiel | just saying, its the same hardware |
| 21:12.01 | nevcairiel | no reason to buy two |
| 21:12.17 | NightHawkTheSane | sure, if we're talking about the iphone vs touch. |
| 21:12.20 | cbreak | I have an iPod Shuffle. |
| 21:12.34 | nevcairiel | now if i could replace the battery in it, i could have a backup battery somewhere handy =P |
| 21:12.34 | cbreak | life is like an iPod Shuffle, you never know what you'll get |
| 21:12.44 | NightHawkTheSane | and yet, you're still carrying two things? :P |
| 21:13.12 | nevcairiel | its hardly the same thing, i can burry it somewhere deep in my bag or something, don't have to have it accessible |
| 21:13.36 | nevcairiel | otoh it never bothered me to recharge my phone more often so i could listen to music |
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| 21:13.39 | nevcairiel | it never ran out on me |
| 21:13.48 | nevcairiel | well lately its getting close, but the battery is old |
| 21:14.06 | nevcairiel | which i *could* replace without sending it to the vendor |
| 21:14.07 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 21:15.15 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: I replaced a battery on my old hand-me-down ipod. |
| 21:15.26 | Lunessa | Took all of 5 minutes. |
| 21:15.53 | nevcairiel | i have extended warranty on my ipod, so either i wait 5 years until its out anyway, or i send it in, or i void the warranty |
| 21:16.00 | nevcairiel | not really good choices |
| 21:17.28 | Lunessa | Good point. But I will say that Apple service has always been very good too me. I took in a powerbook once for a cracked hinge. The device was a hand-me-down. I was not the original owner. Apple not only replaced the hinge, but they replaced the mobo and gave me a 3 year warranty upgrade at no charge to me. |
| 21:18.04 | nevcairiel | I'm not saying their support isnt good or anything, i just don't feel comfortable to have to send it in just to replace the freaking battery |
| 21:18.18 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 21:18.31 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: would you feel comfortable sending it in to replace some other piece of hardware that had failed? |
| 21:18.44 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes they're good. For a friend of mine with continual issues with his display, they replaced it once, and then revoked his warrantee and told him that it was obviously his problem. A year or so later they did some sort of recall on his model or display... Rawr. |
| 21:18.55 | Aelo | is there a way to print the names of all child frames within a frame? |
| 21:19.11 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: a battery is bound to drop in efficiency after usage, if somethign else fails, its broken -- difference |
| 21:19.54 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: you didn't answer my question. :P But my point is that it's a perceptual difference. Apple is pushing the ideology that the battery is no longer a user-maintainable element of the design, but an integrated piece of hardware. |
| 21:20.26 | kdtresh | and that the rest of the system will fail before the battery |
| 21:20.43 | NightHawkTheSane | part of this is obviously based on the idea that (under normal usge) by the time the battery fails to a point of unusability, the user has stopped using the phone, or replaced it already. |
| 21:20.46 | Aelo | oh, :GetChildren |
| 21:20.53 | nevcairiel | I'm just saying i don't like it. A phone is always on, i didnt have a phone that would benefit greatly from a new battery after 2 years |
| 21:21.08 | nevcairiel | s/would/wouldnt/ |
| 21:21.31 | nevcairiel | Until now i never had a phone that was worth still using after 2 years |
| 21:21.43 | nevcairiel | Since i always go cheap on those :P |
| 21:21.49 | nevcairiel | But with a new smartphone |
| 21:22.09 | NightHawkTheSane | well, two years down the road i imagine there'll be some new smartphone we'll all want |
| 21:22.17 | Lopeppeppy | 1 year down the road, you mean. |
| 21:22.19 | NightHawkTheSane | how many iterations of the iphone have we seen, like once a year? |
| 21:22.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: well, yes. :P |
| 21:22.38 | nevcairiel | the new iPhone wasnt that great of an upgrade |
| 21:22.39 | Lunessa | Hrm... new webcam and headset just dropped on my desk. Guess I'll be getting to support wimba afterall. |
| 21:22.42 | nevcairiel | a bit more polished |
| 21:22.46 | nevcairiel | but not really "new" |
| 21:23.17 | NightHawkTheSane | but still essentially marketed as such. maybe the people who had the second iteration didn't upgrade, but it would be rather attractive to anyone who still had the original |
| 21:23.27 | Adys | Shirik|AFK: help me out |
| 21:23.33 | Adys | how do I generate a proper patch-like diff on two unversioned files |
| 21:23.43 | nevcairiel | diff -u |
| 21:24.09 | Adys | love ya |
| 21:24.12 | amro | no u |
| 21:24.19 | Adys | ~amro++ |
| 21:28.46 | Duman | hmm |
| 21:29.57 | Shirik | Adys: use patch |
| 21:29.57 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:30.06 | Adys | eh? |
| 21:30.07 | Shirik | er, diff |
| 21:30.11 | Shirik | yeah what nevcairiel said |
| 21:30.17 | Adys | yeah you need to read |
| 21:30.19 | nevcairiel | you're so slow |
| 21:30.27 | Shirik | I was disconnected :( |
| 21:30.28 | durcyn | unified diffs are new and exciting |
| 21:30.46 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom is new and exciting |
| 21:31.01 | durcyn | no, she's pretty old and tired at this point |
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| 21:31.30 | cncfanatics | omg I'm back |
| 21:31.36 | Lunessa | What I need now is more USB cables coming out of my CPU, can we make that happen? Hrm? |
| 21:32.19 | durcyn | Lunessa: I've got one long enough to make a noose, if you get my drift. |
| 21:32.44 | Lunessa | durcyn: Please, come put me out of my cable misery. |
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| 21:33.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i think you need to head to thinkgeek, and partake in their useless-usb-powered-gadget seletion |
| 21:33.50 | NightHawkTheSane | s/let/lect/ |
| 21:35.18 | Lunessa | Haha. I have lots of cables now. Camera, headset, two phone cables, keyboard and mouse. Make the madness stop! |
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| 21:45.08 | msoul_ | I've downloaded the latest version of bigwigs, when i check the version it still displays the older one anyone know what might be causing this |
| 21:45.30 | kd3 | wipe out your BigWigs_* folders in Interface/AddOns, then unzip the bigwigs zip again |
| 21:45.31 | msoul_ | latest version is 5670 |
| 21:45.39 | msoul_ | i did that |
| 21:45.50 | kd3 | did you reloadui or restart wow? |
| 21:46.01 | msoul_ | restart |
| 21:46.55 | msoul_ | wiped everything, got the new ones then started wow again |
| 21:46.59 | kdtresh | how are you checking the version? |
| 21:47.18 | msoul_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.28 | msoul_ | and from thr gui to double check |
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| 21:56.59 | msoul_ | i'll stick with the alpha version :) |
| 21:57.44 | Aelo | can you "do" anything with userdata? |
| 21:57.51 | cbreak | yes |
| 21:58.02 | cbreak | you can keep a reference to it |
| 21:58.15 | Aelo | and that's all? :) |
| 21:58.31 | alestane | You can pass it back to functions implemented in C and exported to Lua. |
| 21:59.10 | Aelo | so in wow it's memory that just can't be read? |
| 21:59.24 | cbreak | not from the lua space |
| 21:59.29 | cbreak | unless you have an accessor |
| 21:59.34 | alestane | No, it's memory that the engine uses. |
| 21:59.40 | Aelo | ah i see :) |
| 21:59.46 | cbreak | if you use Lua from your own program |
| 21:59.51 | cbreak | you can use them from C space |
| 22:00.04 | cbreak | I usually use userdata for pointers to C++ classes |
| 22:00.25 | alestane | The userdata associated with a frame is the actual script references, registration info, dimensions, texture bitmaps and so forth. |
| 22:00.29 | Aelo | would changing a reference that points to a userdata cause smoe error then? |
| 22:00.38 | krka | i use them as parameters to functions defined outside of lua |
| 22:00.43 | alestane | Depends, but very possibly. |
| 22:00.52 | Aelo | like, an error in the C space |
| 22:00.59 | cbreak | you can't |
| 22:01.35 | cbreak | what you can do with userdata is to pass it around |
| 22:01.50 | krka | oooh, "C " that's a great name for a new programming language |
| 22:01.53 | cbreak | you can forget about it, but that doesn't mean the engine does |
| 22:02.01 | alestane | Well, you can't change the data in C space that the userdata represents. But you can do some things that will louse up WoW's ability to handle frames and similar operations. |
| 22:02.34 | Aelo | so a reference in the C space is not the same as one in the Lua space as such? |
| 22:03.03 | alestane | The value that appears in the Lua space is a reference to something in C space. |
| 22:03.08 | alestane | You can't change that reference. |
| 22:03.16 | Aelo | ah i see |
| 22:03.23 | Aelo | interesting stuff :P |
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| 22:03.39 | Aelo | is it impossible to create a new userdata in the lua space? |
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| 22:03.58 | Aelo | only outside in the C space? ^^ |
| 22:04.07 | krka | you can try calling newproxy |
| 22:04.12 | alestane | Usually, this is done by calling a function in C space from Lua...like CreateFrame. |
| 22:04.20 | krka | lua> newproxy() |
| 22:04.21 | lua_bot | krka: userdata: 0x9ce8614 |
| 22:04.24 | krka | lua> newproxy() |
| 22:04.24 | lua_bot | krka: userdata: 0x9c64614 |
| 22:04.35 | krka | ooh, cool, same memory address even |
| 22:04.38 | alestane | Or, you can call newproxy, but this is only useful for certain specific applications. |
| 22:04.43 | NightHawkTheSane | krka: not quite. |
| 22:04.55 | krka | dohg |
| 22:04.58 | krka | just the last bits |
| 22:04.59 | krka | :) |
| 22:05.04 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i thought so too atfirst :) |
| 22:05.17 | krka | it seems Aelo is asking the wrong questions |
| 22:05.21 | cbreak | I doubt it's very useful |
| 22:05.44 | cbreak | userdata is used for C space to provide additional functionality to lua |
| 22:05.44 | Arrowmaster | userdata can have a metatable like tables can, newproxy() is used for that purpose |
| 22:06.05 | cbreak | if you have no control over C, then you can't add functionality, so you can't gain much by getting random userdata thingies |
| 22:06.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah its not like you can use newproxy() to create a frame, that has to be done with CreateFrame() which will create a userdata object that references the frame data in C |
| 22:07.11 | Aelo | does it act the same as a table? where if you assign a reference to it, all changes to that memory effect all references? |
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| 22:07.20 | Aelo | unlike a value or number |
| 22:07.32 | alestane | Aelo: userdata are objects to Lua, yes. |
| 22:07.41 | Cairenn | waves at Yhor |
| 22:07.51 | alestane | Two userdata are equal only if they are the same userdata. |
| 22:08.02 | Aelo | aha |
| 22:08.03 | Arrowmaster | kinda but not really, its like a table but you never put anything in the table, its always got zero elements |
| 22:08.05 | Aelo | hehe :) |
| 22:08.40 | cog|work | waves at Yhor |
| 22:09.34 | Arrowmaster | so you cant make a change to it and have the change be reflected everywhere like a table, but if you are using a metatable on the userdata you can fake it but really its using tables youve setup behind the scene |
| 22:10.36 | Arrowmaster | for an example of non metatable userdata usage, the standard IO library uses userdata objects as file pointers |
| 22:11.12 | cbreak | the only way you can change user data is via C Space |
| 22:11.17 | alestane | Those have metatables, I believe. |
| 22:11.47 | Arrowmaster | well its suggested to always use metatables on userdata just so you can identify their purpose from lua |
| 22:12.39 | alestane | So that they can be used as objects, in this case. |
| 22:12.40 | Arrowmaster | so you can tell a file pointer from something completely different and not mix them up and have things break horrible |
| 22:12.49 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah that too |
| 22:13.06 | Arrowmaster | the userdata from the io lib has a metatable like strings do |
| 22:13.21 | Aelo | is lost, but likes it in his new unknown surroundings |
| 22:13.25 | Aelo | :P |
| 22:13.33 | Arrowmaster | figured |
| 22:13.54 | Aelo | never even used metatables befoer |
| 22:14.32 | Arrowmaster | i did some major frame hijackery using userdata and metatables before |
| 22:14.46 | cbreak | then you got banned? :) |
| 22:14.58 | Aelo | lol what like Arrowmaster ? |
| 22:15.39 | Arrowmaster | every wow api function that accepts a 'frame' as an argument actually doesnt care what table you pass it, all it cares about is the userdata object on table[0] |
| 22:17.04 | Arrowmaster | i made ChatFrame2 and COMBATLOG two distinctly seperate objects with different functions but they still referred to the same frame when passed to the wow api |
| 22:17.50 | Arrowmaster | it would have been perfect except for the taint i caused because COMBATLOG is upvalued in the combatlog.lua |
| 22:18.13 | Yhor | waves at Cairenn |
| 22:18.19 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:18.24 | Aelo | is there somewhere i can read up on metatables? lua site im guessing? |
| 22:18.32 | Yhor | waves at Cog |
| 22:18.40 | Arrowmaster | ~pil |
| 22:18.41 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 22:18.45 | cbreak | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html |
| 22:18.47 | Yssaril | Shirik: did you ever figure out last nights relativity problem? |
| 22:18.54 | Arrowmaster | it should be covered in the PiL |
| 22:19.08 | Arrowmaster | it talks about things like read only tables |
| 22:19.15 | cbreak | the most important point of relativity: |
| 22:19.19 | cbreak | do not sleep with your mother |
| 22:20.37 | Aelo | without a metatable, if 2 tables are compared will it just return true if the references are pointing the same way? |
| 22:20.49 | cbreak | yes |
| 22:20.55 | cbreak | even with metatables |
| 22:21.02 | Aelo | hehe okies |
| 22:21.04 | cbreak | I don't think lua supports operator overloading |
| 22:21.05 | alestane | Two tables are only equal if they are the same table. |
| 22:21.32 | alestane | lua> {'a', 'b'} == {'a', 'b'} |
| 22:21.32 | lua_bot | alestane: false |
| 22:21.33 | cbreak | > print({} == {}) |
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| 22:21.41 | Yssaril | lua> {} == {} |
| 22:21.41 | Aelo | if you took that out of context, those could sound like strangely wise words alestane :P |
| 22:21.42 | lua_bot | Yssaril: false |
| 22:22.02 | Aelo | lua> local a = {}; b = a; print(a == b) |
| 22:22.02 | lua_bot | Aelo: true |
| 22:22.35 | cbreak | interestingly, the same is true for numbers and strings |
| 22:22.47 | alestane | More accurately, two table values are only equal if they refer to the same table. |
| 22:23.16 | cbreak | table values meaning names/variables |
| 22:23.35 | Aelo | cbreak: it's just they get garbage-collected as soon as nothing is using them? |
| 22:23.41 | Aelo | the numbers/strings |
| 22:23.45 | cbreak | no |
| 22:23.45 | alestane | Any expression that evaluates to a value of type 'table'. |
| 22:23.54 | cbreak | numbers are value types |
| 22:23.58 | cbreak | they don't get GCed |
| 22:24.17 | alestane | Rather, they're never allocated somewhere that needs to be. |
| 22:24.17 | cbreak | and strings are in the string container thingie which I have no idea how it's called |
| 22:30.25 | Aelo | oh wow you can do stuff like multiplying tables with metatables xD |
| 22:30.32 | WobWork | memoized? |
| 22:31.26 | Aelo | just reading about it now |
| 22:32.05 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/politics/doomed-dome-future-never-was |
| 22:32.27 | Grum | what on earth are you all doing to the lua c-code? :D |
| 22:34.12 | cbreak | http://dresdencodak.com/2009/04/19/onald-creely/ (about future that never was) |
| 22:35.24 | Aelo | hmm |
| 22:35.36 | Aelo | lua> (0/0) == (0/0) |
| 22:35.37 | lua_bot | Aelo: false |
| 22:36.52 | cbreak | no surprise |
| 22:37.03 | cbreak | there's an infinite amount of not a numbers :) |
| 22:37.03 | Antiarc | Mwahaahaha. |
| 22:37.11 | Antiarc | Deadly Brew, deadly schmrew. |
| 22:37.19 | Antiarc | Cycling four poisons as combat. 8) |
| 22:37.26 | Aelo | hehe i just read about a<0/0 and a>=0/0 :P |
| 22:37.37 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: but are there more or less NaNs than there are numbers? |
| 22:37.53 | Antiarc | [-inf...inf] / 0 |
| 22:37.57 | cbreak | that's ... for theoretical matemathicians to decide |
| 22:38.04 | Antiarc | There are an infinite number of NaNs |
| 22:38.10 | Antiarc | And there are not different sizes of infinity |
| 22:38.13 | Antiarc | So they are equivalent |
| 22:38.21 | Antiarc | Also 0.999... == 1 |
| 22:38.24 | cbreak | there's an infinite number of positive integers |
| 22:38.34 | cbreak | and an infinite number of positive irrational numbers |
| 22:38.41 | cbreak | and still there are more irrational numbers than integers |
| 22:38.53 | Aelo | O_o |
| 22:38.54 | cbreak | there was some proof with mapping which I forgot |
| 22:39.04 | alestane | We call this "orders of infinity." |
| 22:39.13 | NightHawkTheSane | well, there's an infinite number of real numbers, and an infinite number of whole numbers, the latter is a subset of the former. :P |
| 22:39.40 | NightHawkTheSane | (orders of infinity make my head hurt, btw) |
| 22:39.53 | WobWork | isn't that different sizes of infinity? |
| 22:39.57 | cbreak | Make a guild. "Order of Infinity". |
| 22:40.07 | cbreak | how many members does it have? |
| 22:40.09 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: But there are an infinite number of whole numbers, and in infinite number of rational numbers, and even though the former is a subset of the latter, they're the same number of numbers. |
| 22:40.11 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: not technically, because infinity is.. well.. infinity.. :P |
| 22:40.11 | Aelo | lol |
| 22:40.16 | WobWork | cbreak: only if you name all the toons after mathematical constructs |
| 22:40.25 | cbreak | I like Pi. |
| 22:40.32 | WobWork | -everyone- likes pi |
| 22:40.36 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: like i said, makes my head hurt. :) |
| 22:40.56 | Aelo | Pi + e :> |
| 22:40.59 | Aelo | i like that type of pie |
| 22:41.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i like phi |
| 22:41.33 | cbreak | e^{i*pi} = -1 |
| 22:41.35 | cbreak | I think |
| 22:41.49 | cbreak | ... no idea actually |
| 22:42.16 | alestane | I believe xkcd agrees with you, or comes close. |
| 22:42.24 | NightHawkTheSane | that is correct, yes |
| 22:43.08 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/179/ |
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| 22:44.10 | foxlit | dresden codak is odd. |
| 22:44.29 | foxlit | I mean, awesome visual style and narration, but there seems to be no thread. |
| 22:46.33 | cbreak | it's great. |
| 22:46.42 | cbreak | there's one long story arc that's even greater :) |
| 22:47.25 | cbreak | read the Hob arc, dungeons & discurse, ... :) |
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| 22:58.45 | Cairenn | http://sprocket.io/blog//wp-content/blog_images/1016.jpg |
| 22:59.01 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: ^^ |
| 23:01.21 | Adys | lol |
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| 23:18.18 | Adys | tekkub is a wguber! |
| 23:18.23 | Adys | wtftypo |
| 23:18.25 | Adys | whiner. |
| 23:18.52 | tekkub | a what the who now |
| 23:19.45 | NightHawkTheSane | thats an awesome typo |
| 23:30.55 | Yssaril | anyone on the ptr atm (us pve) |
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| 23:42.40 | cog|work | OMG Nerf warriors in 3.3!!!!!11one |
| 23:43.06 | cog|work | (Two whole changes, one of which isn't even really a change) |
| 23:44.04 | ZorbaGama | yeah warriors are getting a tiny amount of antilove and nothing else |
| 23:44.05 | ZorbaGama | I almost suspect they're just giving up on warriors until 4.0, the entire warrior concept needs a full redesign IMHO |
| 23:44.11 | ZorbaGama | Rage, in its present form, is an interesting experiment that just doesn't work. :) |
| 23:44.26 | cog|work | shrugs |
| 23:44.27 | Jerub | *nod* |
| 23:44.43 | Jerub | wow warriors are just casters with inverted mana requirements. |
| 23:44.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaGama: it never really did, its better now than it used to be |
| 23:45.27 | ZorbaGama | nighthawk, I can believe that, yeah |
| 23:45.33 | Lunessa | Warriors went from "Can't do DPS" to "ZOMG DPS" to "FU I PWN" |
| 23:45.33 | ZorbaGama | they're quite likely getting better at it |
| 23:45.36 | ZorbaGama | jerub, it's not even that |
| 23:45.48 | ZorbaGama | the rage bar is so small that you can't predict what you can do |
| 23:46.00 | ZorbaGama | on top of that, the methods of *getting* rage are incredibly unpredictable |
| 23:46.02 | Jerub | yeah, agreed. |
| 23:46.14 | cog|work | shrugs again |
| 23:46.20 | ZorbaGama | there's no other class in the game which literally cannot predict its main resource a single second into the future. |
| 23:46.31 | cog|work | if you're into theorycrafting, they may be difficult, but i've always enjoyed playing my warrior |
| 23:46.41 | Jerub | it's probably much simpler for bears, i only ever run out of rage when i lose agro. |
| 23:46.46 | ZorbaGama | cog, warrior's fun - I mean, my main's warrior, I still enjoy it a lot |
| 23:47.02 | Jerub | and i only lose agro if i'm fail. |
| 23:47.03 | ZorbaGama | but these are problems that make warrior very hard to balance properly. |
| 23:47.24 | cog|work | only time i've ever really hated being a warrior was when no one wanted me for raids :'( |
| 23:47.27 | ZorbaGama | and, I feel, make the class less interesting overall. |
| 23:47.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaGama: the other thing is that yeah, rage needs a serious re-looking-at, which is totally out of scope for 3.3.. but beyond that, they're a pretty good place altogether |
| 23:48.05 | cog|work | (and that was only because the guild we raided with had too many already) |
| 23:48.18 | ZorbaGama | nighthawk, one big problem is the gear issue - they scale up better than basically any other class with gear. so either they're overpowered at the high end, or underpowered at the low end |
| 23:48.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaGama: well, again, gear issue is a direct and unavoidable result of the rage mechanic |
| 23:48.40 | ZorbaGama | and *that* needs to be fixed badly. I really do not get why Blizzard has so much trouble balancing things like that properly. |
| 23:48.45 | ZorbaGama | night, yeah, agreed |
| 23:48.53 | NightHawkTheSane | because, its impossible to balance. |
| 23:49.01 | NightHawkTheSane | rage, as it's implemented, cannot really be balanced. |
| 23:49.48 | Lunessa | cog|work: I want you! To raid! |
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| 23:50.48 | cog|work | =D |
| 23:50.55 | alestane | What flummoxes me is how warriors have gone from being tanks almost exclusively to hardly tanking anything. |
| 23:51.22 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: o_0 |
| 23:51.41 | alestane | All the tanks I see are pallies and druids. |
| 23:51.44 | alestane | And some DKs. |
| 23:51.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i think thats just a perceptual gap. from classic where the only class that COULD tank were warriors, to now where there are 4 viable tanking classes |
| 23:52.27 | alestane | I know that's part of it, but I still don't see very many. |
| 23:52.28 | NightHawkTheSane | My current guild has a warrior tank, as did my previous one. |
| 23:52.48 | cog|work | individual anecdotes does not a statistic make! |
| 23:52.49 | cog|work | :P |
| 23:53.04 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: agreed. :) but it applies to both of us :) |
| 23:53.18 | cog|work | last couple of dungeons I ran were as DPS |
| 23:53.26 | cog|work | with pally tanks :P |
| 23:53.45 | NightHawkTheSane | if blizzard is to be believed, I think on the whole warriors are still a very significant tank class, moreso in progression guilds likely |
| 23:53.54 | cog|work | actually, I haven't really done any raiding since before BC |
| 23:54.08 | Lunessa | tekkub: Remind me not to let you into any wave in the future. I want to be able to read the posts. :P |
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| 23:54.28 | tekkub | you're no fun |
| 23:54.28 | cog|work | omg why don't i have you in my contacts Lunessa |
| 23:54.35 | durcyn | what'd he do, spam you with pictures of furries? |
| 23:54.38 | tekkub | the point of that whole thread was to test the indets |
| 23:54.45 | Lunessa | cog|work: I'm not in the Wave yet. |
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| 23:54.56 | cog|work | Lunessa: oh i misinterpreted |
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| 23:55.04 | tekkub | I have never made you all suffy with furry pics |
| 23:55.18 | Lunessa | tekkub: And this is supposed to reassure me how? |
| 23:55.21 | tekkub | I probably link the least-worst pics of anyone here |
| 23:55.52 | Lunessa | I'm just ribbing you for the post you made on FB. |
| 23:56.10 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.nhowephotography.com/IMG_6153.jpg |
| 23:56.16 | ScytheBlade1 | bottom left |
| 23:57.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: its true, i am. |
| 23:57.37 | Lunessa | SBO - that's kinder than the one I used to sport on my Jetta. |
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