| 00:04.02 | Lopeppeppy | Is it wrong to watch Ironman and laugh my way through it? |
| 00:04.30 | alestane | There's a fair amount of comedy in that movie what what I remember. |
| 00:04.32 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 00:04.51 | alestane | Some of it unintentional or circumstantial. |
| 00:06.06 | Lopeppeppy | I just think it's hilarious all around. He's an excellent Stark. |
| 00:07.39 | Lopeppeppy | "Including occasionally take out the trash. Will that be all?" |
| 00:08.18 | alestane | "Let's be honest, this isn't the worst thing you've caught me doing." |
| 00:08.32 | alestane | I should watch it all the way through at some point. |
| 00:08.45 | Lopeppeppy | It's awesome, alestane. |
| 00:09.22 | alestane | I saw it once, but I think we were playing WoW at the time, so my memory is a little spotty. |
| 00:09.31 | alestane | "How did you solve the icing problem?" |
| 00:11.03 | Lopeppeppy | I love the discussion about her birthday present. "Well, get yourself something from me." "I already did." "Well?" "It was very nice. Thank you Mr. Stark." "You're welcome Miss Potts." |
| 00:16.54 | smcn | ugh, so much mass effect 2 info coming out i might have to shelter myself from any gaming news for the next 3 months :/ |
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| 00:18.42 | Lopeppeppy | So why doesn't the electromagnet short out during the water torture? |
| 00:19.04 | foxlit | Because you're too busy to observe it. |
| 00:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I see. But I was watching for it specifically, so he could get dead! |
| 00:19.36 | foxlit | Also, watched kettles never boil. |
| 00:23.14 | foxlit | The new avatar trailer isn't bad. |
| 00:23.42 | Arrowmaster | reminds me of why james cameron is fucking awesome |
| 00:26.11 | Arrowmaster | 'the abyss' can take credit for introducing me to scifi and making me love it |
| 00:26.40 | Lopeppeppy | that movie kicks ass. |
| 00:27.12 | kdtresh|work | the abyss is good stuff |
| 00:27.32 | zenzelezz | most of it |
| 00:27.47 | Arrowmaster | i think i have the 10 or 15th anniversary edition on dvd, was kinda upset when a 2disc dvd version came out not long after that edition |
| 00:28.18 | cog|away | whee... time to go home and play with my phone on a reliable connection =) |
| 00:28.40 | Lopeppeppy | Whee! Enjoy! |
| 00:29.11 | Arrowmaster | random trivia: the abyss is one of the few movies filmed in 4:3 and cropped for theatrical viewing |
| 00:29.48 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 00:30.01 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Shirik. Want to have ice cream with me? |
| 00:30.06 | Shirik | oo |
| 00:30.07 | Shirik | yes :) |
| 00:30.15 | Lopeppeppy | Is mint chocolate chip, with whipped cream and chocolate drizzles. |
| 00:30.22 | Shirik | mm |
| 00:30.40 | Arrowmaster | is eating a quart of eggdrop wonton soup |
| 00:30.54 | Lopeppeppy | ... not as good as chocolates!! |
| 00:31.18 | Arrowmaster | the wontons are larger than golf balls |
| 00:31.26 | Lopeppeppy | You're eating balls? |
| 00:31.46 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:31.53 | Arrowmaster | no right now im eating eggdrop soup, the wontons are gone already |
| 00:32.05 | Lopeppeppy | So you're eating eggs. |
| 00:32.13 | Arrowmaster | sure |
| 00:32.17 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 00:32.29 | jnwhiteh | anyone here have a Steelseries mouse? |
| 00:32.41 | Lopeppeppy | I want one, but nto until they are happy-stable. |
| 00:33.14 | Shirik | NP <Pandora>: The River (Live) - Garth Brooks - Double Live |
| 00:33.16 | Shirik | <3 <3 |
| 00:33.32 | Lopeppeppy | Thunder Rolls (live) *big grin* |
| 00:33.38 | Lopeppeppy | Shoulda done that myself. |
| 00:33.44 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Lopeppeppy |
| 00:33.44 | purl | beats Lopeppeppy senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 00:33.48 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is mean |
| 00:33.56 | Lopeppeppy | Why mean? |
| 00:34.09 | Lopeppeppy | ~kiss Thunder_Child |
| 00:34.10 | purl | ACTION forces Thunder_Child to give Gnarfoz a big kiss on the ear |
| 00:34.19 | Thunder_Child | you pinged me :( |
| 00:34.30 | Shirik | rofl |
| 00:34.42 | Lopeppeppy | Dude, you're the one with the ping name, not me. Your settings, you deal with it doofus. |
| 00:34.50 | Shirik | oh snap |
| 00:34.58 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy bringin down the hammah |
| 00:35.04 | Thunder_Child | i did deal with it, i larted you |
| 00:35.54 | Lopeppeppy | I larted you back, so there. |
| 00:36.04 | Thunder_Child | kiss != lart |
| 00:36.18 | Lopeppeppy | So? What's your point? I have ice cream. |
| 00:36.24 | zenzelezz | depends how you do it TC |
| 00:36.38 | Lopeppeppy | I think I could make a kiss be a serious lart, if I tried. |
| 00:36.51 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it, it's random |
| 00:36.57 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, every which way |
| 00:37.18 | Lopeppeppy | Why yes, the way I kiss is pretty random. |
| 00:37.28 | Lopeppeppy | To pass along a TMI to the world in general. |
| 00:37.29 | zenzelezz | I'll need proof |
| 00:38.34 | Lopeppeppy | Bring it. My kisses are still mine to give away. |
| 00:39.38 | Wobin | http://new.mocpages.com/moc.php/162930 |
| 00:39.42 | Wobin | crazy |
| 00:41.22 | Lopeppeppy | Cheeseburger! |
| 00:41.40 | Shirik | my mariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiia |
| 00:41.44 | Shirik | mariiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiia I love you |
| 00:42.20 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone ever dislocate their shoulder? |
| 00:42.26 | Wobin | Shirik, I'm sorry Maria |
| 00:42.32 | Wobin | But the princess is in another castle |
| 00:42.51 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Blessedly no. My father dislocated a finger once. |
| 00:43.30 | Lopeppeppy | Fingers are easy. I want to know about how your shoulder bruises. |
| 00:44.15 | Shirik | it hurts |
| 00:44.50 | Dagmar | It's highly unsettling |
| 00:45.03 | Dagmar | "MAH ARM! IT IS GOIN TEH RONG WAI!~" |
| 00:45.41 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: The usual deep bruising what shows up in weird places |
| 00:45.55 | Wobin | like your butt? |
| 00:46.22 | Dagmar | Nah, just like, under a pectoral, around various muscles |
| 00:46.36 | Dagmar | You'd kidna think it would make a niceeven ring around the shoulder or something |
| 00:47.03 | Dagmar | I have the dubious honor of having dislocated my own damn shoulder while in a stationary car |
| 00:47.10 | alestane | Nothing about a dislocated shoulder is going to be nice and even. |
| 00:47.17 | Wobin | has had enough referred pain to realise that well... the neck bones connected to the... collar bone, the collar bone's connected to the... etc etc |
| 00:47.25 | Lopeppeppy | I figured it would be in weird locations, since it's usually caused by torque and not direct impact. |
| 00:47.46 | Wobin | Dagmar, is that akin to tripping over deceptively flat ground? |
| 00:48.06 | Dagmar | Yeah just sit in teh driver's seat, and then reach under your seat stright up the middle as far back as you possibly can |
| 00:48.31 | Dagmar | Like you're looking for a cola that rolled away from your hand. Then wait for someone to honk at you so you can jerk upright with your arm almsot totally under the seat |
| 00:49.05 | Dagmar | I'd like to say I hadnled it gracefully but I didn't |
| 00:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | hey anyone who cares |
| 00:49.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.techspot.com/news/36822-walmarts-preblack-friday-sale-99-xbox-360-arcade-more.html |
| 00:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | $99 xbox 360 |
| 00:49.24 | Dagmar | I got out of the car and stomped around, hopped and down, cursing and swearing about my arm |
| 00:49.44 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: This is relevant to my interests |
| 00:50.20 | Dagmar | Unfortunately, it will mean standing in a line outside WalMart in the wee hours of the morning with other people desperate enough for that deal |
| 00:50.43 | Dagmar | Oh wait, it's actually $199 with a $100 gift card |
| 00:50.55 | ScytheBlade1 | which you then spend on a hard drive for it |
| 00:50.56 | Arrowmaster | its a good deal, even though the giftcard is only useable online while the deal is only in stores |
| 00:51.10 | Dagmar | Anyone else see a problem with having a Black Friday sale on Saturday? |
| 00:51.13 | Wobin | so it's technically not 99 at all =P |
| 00:51.29 | Dagmar | ooof nevermind. "pre-" black friday |
| 00:52.12 | Wobin | the maths is making me a bit batty |
| 00:52.18 | Wobin | You -pay- $199 |
| 00:52.29 | Wobin | you get a $100 voucher plus xbox? |
| 00:52.33 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 00:52.40 | Arrowmaster | but the voucher is only for online |
| 00:52.43 | Wobin | so you still spend $200 at walmart |
| 00:52.48 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 00:52.48 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 00:52.50 | Shirik | use it to buy games |
| 00:52.57 | Shirik | the xbox isn't very useful otherwise |
| 00:53.01 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 00:53.02 | Dagmar | This would mean giving $100 to wal-mart for non-trivial reasons |
| 00:53.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll spend less, I have a family member who works there and has a discount card |
| 00:53.06 | Wobin | It makes a fancy footwarmer! |
| 00:53.15 | Shirik | Wobin: Older models were a lot better at that |
| 00:53.19 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: My condolences |
| 00:53.22 | Wobin | can the xbox play bluray? |
| 00:53.27 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:53.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't me. :) |
| 00:53.30 | Wobin | alas |
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| 01:04.20 | Shirik | is sourceforge incredibly slow lately, or is it just me? |
| 01:04.26 | Shirik | like the actual downloads, not the site |
| 01:09.48 | msoul | Does Flask of the north stack with endless rage? |
| 01:10.40 | foxlit | flasks don't stack with each other. |
| 01:11.08 | msoul | Right, was about to say nm read the comments on wowhead |
| 01:17.49 | Shirik | When I think about rain, I think about singing. When I think about singing it's a heavenly tune. When I think about heaven, then I think about angels. When I think about angels, I think about you. |
| 01:18.03 | Shirik | why can't rap songs have meaningful lyrics like these |
| 01:18.09 | Shirik | instead of being about drugs and sex |
| 01:18.18 | alestane | Some of them do try. |
| 01:19.18 | msoul | Hehe, you reminded me of me complaining about music a while back. my friend told there is a song that says "young black rich something, with money hanging outta the anus" |
| 01:19.21 | msoul | Was rap too |
| 01:20.30 | msoul | Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan and Lennon > Music |
| 01:22.36 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbazH6aE2g |
| 01:22.41 | Shirik | LFG is so awesome |
| 01:26.40 | Shirik | wow, I just locked up cygwin |
| 01:27.30 | Thunder_Child | lol Shirik |
| 01:30.12 | Lopeppeppy | You go, dude. |
| 01:32.02 | Jamash | cygwin is nothing if not unstable |
| 01:32.57 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy would probably like that ink |
| 01:32.58 | Shirik | link |
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| 01:37.08 | Shirik | $ cat ./configure | wc -l |
| 01:37.08 | Shirik | 25811 |
| 01:37.10 | Shirik | wtf. |
| 01:37.14 | cog|away | nearly 7 months since i threw my hissy fit on the forums and quit, and i'm still getting random whispers from "fans" in-game (on a cogwheel i've never posted with) |
| 01:37.21 | cog|away | :) |
| 01:37.45 | Lopeppeppy | whispers Cogwheel with fanbio squees! |
| 01:37.59 | cogwheel | and no, i'm not just talking about lunessa :> |
| 01:38.17 | cogwheel | for president! |
| 01:38.48 | cogwheel | how's your hand? we miss yous! |
| 01:39.02 | Lopeppeppy | It's clicking again, cogwheel. Means surgery in December. *sigh* |
| 01:39.08 | cogwheel | :( |
| 01:40.37 | Lopeppeppy | Tell me about it. Frakkin' painful crap. |
| 01:40.44 | haste | Shirik: it has to be autoconf! |
| 01:40.51 | Shirik | haste: halp |
| 01:41.01 | Shirik | ./configure hates me |
| 01:41.14 | ZorbaTHut | autoconf is awful |
| 01:41.19 | Shirik | configure: error: FreeType2 is required to compile this library |
| 01:41.20 | Shirik | BUT I HAS |
| 01:41.25 | cogwheel | Merry fuckin christmas, eh? :'( |
| 01:41.34 | haste | Shirik: how does it check for freetype2 tho'? |
| 01:41.37 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, it'll toss out a config.log that you can dig through to see why it doesn't think you have freetype |
| 01:41.40 | Shirik | probably pkg-config |
| 01:41.54 | ZorbaTHut | it may be installed in a nonstandard area or something |
| 01:41.58 | Shirik | it doesn't think I have freetype because (1) I didn't install it the normal way and (2) it's in the wrong place |
| 01:42.02 | Shirik | the real question is how do I convince it |
| 01:42.10 | ZorbaTHut | ./configure --help |
| 01:42.13 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.19 | ZorbaTHut | frequently there's a --with-freetype=/path_name option, or similar. |
| 01:42.22 | Shirik | oh. |
| 01:42.26 | Shirik | Yeah that's what I was expecting |
| 01:42.31 | Lopeppeppy | Pepper's going to put the new nuclear reactor into his chest, coooooool! |
| 01:42.32 | Shirik | but other scripts have told me "try using --with-freetype" |
| 01:42.34 | Lopeppeppy | I'd love to do that. |
| 01:42.50 | haste | that's what you think! |
| 01:43.12 | Lopeppeppy | No, totally want to do that. |
| 01:43.45 | Lopeppeppy | She's wearing a ring. That's bad. |
| 01:44.37 | Lopeppeppy | And her watch. Idjut |
| 01:44.50 | Jamash | BZZZZT! |
| 01:45.03 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. |
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| 01:45.30 | cogwheel | finds it odd that android's browser can't run java applets... |
| 01:45.41 | Lopeppeppy | Java sucks! |
| 01:45.54 | cogwheel | android's built on Java >< |
| 01:46.05 | Jamash | hahaha |
| 01:46.18 | Shirik | J2ME doesn't have applet stuff I believe |
| 01:46.29 | haste | android is awesome! |
| 01:46.35 | haste | and it can run native stuff as well :3 |
| 01:47.49 | cogwheel | http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed --> 1106 kbit/s =) |
| 01:53.36 | Shirik | I think I finally found the right command |
| 01:53.39 | Shirik | $ ./configure --with-freetype=~/../../Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Microsoft\ Visual\ Studio\ 9.0/VC |
| 01:53.54 | Shirik | that was a PITA |
| 01:53.58 | Shirik | to type |
| 01:58.38 | cogwheel | lol |
| 02:00.18 | haste | ew, are you using sygwin or something :p ? |
| 02:00.24 | haste | s/sy/cy/ |
| 02:00.58 | Shirik | msys |
| 02:01.19 | Shirik | and it's still not working, lol |
| 02:02.20 | Shirik | sweet |
| 02:02.21 | Shirik | ./configure: line 20823: test: too many arguments |
| 02:02.25 | Shirik | I broke ./configure |
| 02:02.45 | Shirik | I think it's not prepared for spaces maybe? |
| 02:03.34 | Lopeppeppy | It's just broken |
| 02:03.47 | Jamash | you could make a symlink to freetype without any spaces in it |
| 02:05.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: android doesn't use J2ME |
| 02:06.04 | Shirik | ROFL, I tried that Jamash |
| 02:06.14 | Shirik | and I swear, based off what it's done so far, it looks like it was copying everything there |
| 02:09.50 | cogwheel | is there any particular technological reason isps don't allow you to choose your up/down ratio? |
| 02:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | well, cable, that answer should be obvious |
| 02:10.40 | cogwheel | meant to specify dsl... |
| 02:10.52 | Jamash | can't be arsed? |
| 02:11.05 | cogwheel | why i specified technological ;) |
| 02:11.35 | alestane | By the Nazrethim, why can't people keep their crap together for that crucial five minutes? |
| 02:12.01 | Shirik | ? |
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| 02:12.20 | ScytheBlade1 | mmmmm... bacon burger |
| 02:12.30 | alestane | We get all the way through Heroic Halls of Lightning, wipe on Loken, and the DK picks that moment to start bitching at the tank. |
| 02:13.07 | alestane | So of course after a couple minutes the tank is hearthing and drops group, and we're left with a saved heroic that only has the last boss in it and the healer says he has to go. |
| 02:13.15 | Lopeppeppy | argh! |
| 02:13.31 | alestane | Because people can't bite their tongue and get through the last damn fight. |
| 02:13.46 | Jamash | sigh |
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| 02:19.41 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: well.. if the average home user had a 1:1 ratio.. the average user is also a spambot.. |
| 02:20.08 | Lopeppeppy | "Negative. I am a meat popsicle." |
| 02:20.16 | NightHawkTheSane | .... |
| 02:21.01 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:21.08 | Thunder_Child | ~Lopeppeppy++ |
| 02:21.17 | Jamash | "Let us have a normal human conversation!" |
| 02:21.25 | Jamash | "I will stab you in the EEPROM" |
| 02:21.26 | alestane | I fell like I should recognize that. |
| 02:21.33 | Thunder_Child | 5th element |
| 02:21.36 | Thunder_Child | !!!!!! |
| 02:21.59 | alestane | Which I haven't seen since I was in college. |
| 02:22.08 | Thunder_Child | uhhh...fail |
| 02:22.51 | alestane | I can't say I've particularly wanted to. |
| 02:22.59 | Jamash | it's an awesome movie |
| 02:23.28 | Jamash | not necessarily good, but nonetheless awesome |
| 02:23.46 | alestane | My recollection is that it's okay if you turn your brain off until it's over. |
| 02:25.29 | ScytheBlade1 | so who knows the differences between the various xbox 360 levels? |
| 02:25.37 | ScytheBlade1 | arcade, pro, elite, right? |
| 02:25.49 | Jamash | I am vaguely familiar |
| 02:26.12 | ScytheBlade1 | know the differences between them? |
| 02:26.21 | Jamash | arcade = no hard drive, do not buy |
| 02:26.42 | ScytheBlade1 | arcade = $200 with $100 gift card which is not terrible |
| 02:27.00 | Shirik | uhhhhhhhhhh |
| 02:27.02 | Shirik | what |
| 02:27.11 | Jamash | did they discontinue the pro? |
| 02:27.21 | ScytheBlade1 | walmart promo tomorrow |
| 02:27.23 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/127749 |
| 02:27.26 | Shirik | I think make got confused |
| 02:27.48 | theorbtwo | Wikipedia says that the Pro has been discountined. |
| 02:28.14 | theorbtwo | I'm surprised they can still find 120GB HDDs. |
| 02:28.17 | Shirik | it has |
| 02:28.23 | Shirik | The Elite took the price point of the pro |
| 02:28.26 | Jamash | ok, so basically the Arcade is the "you are a sucker" model and the Elite is the "you are not a sucker" model |
| 02:29.07 | Jamash | the cost of buying a hard drive for the Arcade is obscene |
| 02:29.24 | theorbtwo | Possibly they do what the later original xboxs did -- they ship a larger drive, and just keep the extra space inaccessable. |
| 02:29.27 | theorbtwo | (Without hacks.) |
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| 02:30.01 | Jamash | a 120GB HDD is $150 |
| 02:30.14 | ScytheBlade1 | -wow- |
| 02:30.21 | Jamash | and unlike the PS3 you can't just buy your own and hook it up |
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| 02:30.50 | theorbtwo | I wonder how hard it is to do if you don't mind getting your hands dirty. |
| 02:31.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I am really debating getting that arcade and then using that $100 gift card on the HD |
| 02:32.18 | Jamash | how much is the arcade on special? |
| 02:32.28 | ScytheBlade1 | $200 with $100 gift card |
| 02:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | and I have no idea what the other different models include :/ |
| 02:32.48 | Jamash | http://www.xbox.com/en-us/hardware/compare101.htm |
| 02:33.04 | Jamash | there's a headset and a network cable, but the big difference is the HDD |
| 02:34.52 | DWSR | Plus, your XBox Arcade doesn't work with any original XBox games (if you have any). |
| 02:35.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, really? |
| 02:35.17 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 02:35.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ....................................... |
| 02:35.37 | Jamash | you have to download a compatibility thingy to use any original Xbox game on the 360 |
| 02:35.48 | Jamash | since it has a completely different processor |
| 02:35.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
| 02:35.59 | ScytheBlade1 | But they locked that function from the arcade? |
| 02:36.00 | Jamash | and you need a HDD to store them |
| 02:36.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Or just due to storage? |
| 02:36.20 | Jamash | I think it's just a storage problem but don't quote me on that |
| 02:36.29 | theorbtwo | ScytheBlade1: Locked it and used storage as an excuse, or couldn't do it due to not having enough storage. |
| 02:36.33 | theorbtwo | Take your pick. |
| 02:36.49 | ScytheBlade1 | So they locked it |
| 02:36.55 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 02:37.10 | ScytheBlade1 | well, good thing I have a chipped original xbox |
| 02:37.53 | Wobin | tekkub, http://www.teefury.com/ |
| 02:38.07 | tekkub | woot's better |
| 02:38.15 | tekkub | and already ordered |
| 02:38.52 | Cairenn | before she disappears for the weekend ... Happy Birthday Lopeppeppy (tomorrow) |
| 02:39.35 | alestane | Happybirfdayhuggles! |
| 02:40.15 | Shirik | happy birthday Lopeppeppy! |
| 02:42.16 | Shirik | ..... |
| 02:42.30 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Cairenn and Shirik and alestane. |
| 02:42.34 | Cairenn | :) |
| 02:42.40 | Lopeppeppy | I will get older, but I promise not to get any wiser, really-really. |
| 02:42.46 | Cairenn | grin |
| 02:42.53 | Shirik | I love seeing things that say `gcc -pendantic` followed by `>/dev/null 2&>/dev/null ` |
| 02:42.56 | Shirik | What the hell is the point |
| 02:43.08 | alestane | Getting older is mandatory, but growing up is optional. |
| 02:43.51 | theorbtwo | Shirik: -pendantic will make some things errors, which will make the build fail... even if you can't see the error message. |
| 02:43.51 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is always a kid :) |
| 02:43.58 | Cairenn | unless you're Benjamin Button |
| 02:44.00 | theorbtwo | That's really stretching, though. |
| 02:44.30 | Lopeppeppy | I liked that movie, it was neat. |
| 02:52.58 | *** part/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 02:57.45 | Jerub | a solution to running out of mouse buttons for healbot: http://www.openofficemouse.com/pr110609.html |
| 03:00.01 | Lopeppeppy | As long as they are all mappable in some way in WoW, and the software won't tempt people to violate the ToS... It's cute. |
| 03:02.35 | Jamash | that's a joke, right? |
| 03:04.17 | haste | Lopeppeppy: # 20 default profiles for popular games and applications, including Adobe Photoshop, the Gnu Image Manipulation Program, World of Warcraft, and the Call of Duty series. |
| 03:04.56 | Lopeppeppy | the software won't tempt people to violate the ToS ... Considering that even the nice SteelSeries mouse that Bliz was working together with got people into trouble at first, forgive me for being skeptical as hell. :) |
| 03:05.50 | Jamash | I cannot reconcile this announcement with the fact that it is not dated the first of april |
| 03:07.00 | Arrowmaster | most software for input devices encourages people to violate the ToS and uses it as a selling point, not wow specifically but what the software does |
| 03:07.38 | Jamash | as far as I know, multi-button macros do not violate the ToS |
| 03:07.46 | Arrowmaster | yes they do |
| 03:07.50 | Jamash | things like "press a button every N seconds" would |
| 03:07.53 | Lopeppeppy | So very very do. |
| 03:08.10 | Lopeppeppy | Unless we're misunderstanding what you mean by that. |
| 03:08.27 | Arrowmaster | anything that allows you to do something in one key press that would require more than one key press without the software violates the ToS |
| 03:08.45 | Arrowmaster | and thats what every mouse/gamepad and even some keyboards use as a selling point |
| 03:09.00 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure that I've seen CMs say hardware macros are legit as long as they don't facilitate unattended gameplay |
| 03:09.08 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 03:09.29 | Lopeppeppy | CMs aren't the be-all-end-all, either. They've been wrong before. :) Much as I love them, they will sometimes admit they make mistakes. |
| 03:09.35 | Arrowmaster | something in one key press that would require more than one key press without is unintended gameplay |
| 03:09.42 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 03:09.48 | Corrodias | unintended, not unattended |
| 03:09.50 | Jamash | unattended != unintended |
| 03:10.25 | Lopeppeppy | Unintended AND unattended are both issues with the software that drive these little gadgets. |
| 03:10.33 | Arrowmaster | afaik people have been banned for delay stuff, not just repeat stuff |
| 03:11.00 | Jerub | man, i want a key pressed every 20 seconds. |
| 03:11.10 | Jerub | I never remember to proc my damn trinkets in combat |
| 03:11.13 | Lopeppeppy | Buy a penguin. |
| 03:11.17 | Corrodias | stop playing WoW |
| 03:11.20 | Jamash | or a dipping bird |
| 03:11.21 | Corrodias | stop fearing being banned. |
| 03:11.26 | Corrodias | play other games, the end! |
| 03:11.41 | alestane | Macro your trinket to something you cast at regular intervals. |
| 03:11.51 | Lopeppeppy | ^ that's what all the big boys do |
| 03:11.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Something like fireball. |
| 03:12.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually, I just run a decent cooldown mod. Hey, problem solved |
| 03:12.06 | Jerub | i do that on my bear, but my healer needs to hit http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47880 |
| 03:13.08 | Lopeppeppy | Um, so macro it with a spell? |
| 03:13.36 | Jamash | I have a macro called "boom" that hits Rapid Fire, Berserking, Bestial Wrath and Kill Command at once |
| 03:13.56 | Jerub | hm, i wonder how to wire a macro into healbot... |
| 03:14.09 | Jamash | but my trinkets have passive procs |
| 03:14.21 | Jamash | largely because I tend to forget to click active ones >.> |
| 03:14.29 | Jerub | speaking of trinkets, does anyone know if these two trinkets when used together will make the set bonus? |
| 03:14.35 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49464 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49310 |
| 03:14.48 | Jerub | there's an ony10 trinket set and and a ony25 trinket set. |
| 03:15.35 | Jerub | i've got one of the ony10 ones, but while it's higher ilvl than my current healer trinkets, it's not worth using until i hve the set bonus. |
| 03:15.51 | Arrowmaster | click the set names |
| 03:16.39 | Arrowmaster | guessing no since they are different sets |
| 03:16.46 | Shirik | lua> tostring(1104, 16) |
| 03:16.46 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1104 |
| 03:17.09 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: dont work that way |
| 03:17.13 | Shirik | I noticed |
| 03:17.21 | Arrowmaster | have fun with string.format |
| 03:17.41 | kd3 | wait, it doesn't? |
| 03:17.52 | kd3 | lua> tonumber(ff,16) |
| 03:17.52 | lua_bot | kd3: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'tonumber' (string expected, got nil) |
| 03:17.58 | kd3 | lua> tonumber("ff",16) |
| 03:17.58 | lua_bot | kd3: 255 |
| 03:18.18 | kd3 | lua> tonumber("1104",16) |
| 03:18.19 | lua_bot | kd3: 4356 |
| 03:18.24 | Jerub | that sucks. it's going to take a long time to get that set. |
| 03:18.37 | Lopeppeppy | "Truth is, I am Ironman." |
| 03:18.48 | Shirik | my computer has lost its mind |
| 03:18.57 | Shirik | it refuses to remove read only properties |
| 03:18.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Stew_a (n=Stewart@unafilliated/stewa/x-008753) |
| 03:19.20 | Jamash | uh oh |
| 03:19.46 | Jamash | I had a problem like that, it involved me not being owner of the files or something |
| 03:20.24 | Jerub | i cannot stop lolling at http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/sillies.php?d=20091031 |
| 03:20.33 | Shirik | well I'm getting this LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'glut32.lib' |
| 03:20.38 | Shirik | and the file doesn't exist |
| 03:20.40 | Shirik | and that's the output file |
| 03:20.45 | Shirik | so I'm sitting here like "wtf do you want from me" |
| 03:23.09 | Lopeppeppy | A rubber biscuit. |
| 03:23.50 | Shirik | I tkae it back |
| 03:23.52 | Shirik | it's an input file |
| 03:23.55 | Shirik | ok, I'm back on track at least |
| 03:25.29 | Shirik | no it's not, it's an output file |
| 03:25.30 | Shirik | wtf >< |
| 03:28.44 | Shirik | ok I finally figured it out |
| 03:28.48 | Shirik | automake is full of shit |
| 03:29.09 | Shirik | I just went out and grabbed the binary to make it happy, then it was like "yay I have the file now" then spat back out |
| 03:29.12 | Shirik | LINK : fatal error LNK1149: output filename matches input filename 'C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Downloads\glut37\glut-3.7\lib\glut\glut32.lib' |
| 03:32.29 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 03:33.33 | Jamash | what are you trying to compile? |
| 03:33.50 | Shirik | glut |
| 03:35.09 | Shirik | which is actually a hilarious library |
| 03:35.23 | Shirik | because he says in one of the readmes in it "Look at all the stuff I do to make it truly portable! No configure crap" |
| 03:35.28 | Shirik | yeah, so much for that |
| 03:40.09 | Shirik | cries |
| 03:40.09 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane, hold me |
| 03:40.09 | Shirik | I have been compiling dependencies for something I just wanted quick for the last hour and a half |
| 03:40.10 | Shirik | wtb gentoo |
| 03:41.13 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, when you are in a group of people doing a project do you talk there like you do in here? |
| 03:41.23 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:41.28 | Shirik | no |
| 03:42.15 | Thunder_Child | you need to get a twitter channel for yourself |
| 03:42.51 | Thunder_Child | just think of it as therapeutic |
| 03:43.00 | Shirik | haste / ZorbaTHut: what should I be looking for in config.log? |
| 03:43.13 | Shirik | I'm 99% sure I gave the right configure command --with-gl-lib |
| 03:43.24 | Shirik | --with-gl-lib=/c/Windows/System32/opengl32.dll |
| 03:43.50 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, it'll list the errors near the bottom, I believe. |
| 03:43.52 | kd3 | what does configure.log say? |
| 03:44.09 | Shirik | the end is just configure: exit 1 |
| 03:44.12 | Shirik | after a bunch of #defines |
| 03:44.35 | Shirik | let me trash it and reconfigure and then I'll pastey it |
| 03:44.42 | DWSR | WTS preconfigured Gentoo system with built in neural interface |
| 03:44.57 | DWSR | Guarenteed to do exactly what you want it to do, even without you knowing that you want to do it. |
| 03:45.07 | Shirik | gentoo already has that option |
| 03:45.08 | Shirik | it's a USE flag |
| 03:45.26 | DWSR | hehe |
| 03:46.10 | DWSR | I have a feeling that, if someone were to build a script that just browsed different free porn sites. |
| 03:46.12 | *** join/#wowuidev msoul_ (i=msoul@meridian.sosdg.org) |
| 03:46.27 | DWSR | And sell it to some shmuck that it was a neural interface that did exactly what they wanted. |
| 03:46.30 | DWSR | They'd believe it |
| 03:46.49 | kd3 | isn't mozilla's internal rendering lib still called libpr0n? |
| 03:47.08 | Shirik | ok so here's the command and output: http://wowi.pastey.net/127754 |
| 03:47.34 | Shirik | this is config.log: http://wowi.pastey.net/127755 |
| 03:48.49 | DWSR | Shirik: What do you notice about line 110? |
| 03:49.34 | Shirik | my command isn't there? |
| 03:49.42 | DWSR | mhm |
| 03:49.50 | Shirik | but |
| 03:50.04 | ZorbaTHut | huh, that sure does spam a pile of stuff. in any case, look in config.log on line 832 and above. |
| 03:50.16 | Shirik | --with-gl-lib=DIR Directory where OpenGL libraries are installed |
| 03:50.20 | Shirik | in ./configure --help |
| 03:50.27 | ScytheBlade1 | YEAH L4D2 IS PRELOADING |
| 03:50.27 | Shirik | and before you say anything, I already tried /c/Windows/System32 |
| 03:50.40 | DWSR | Shirik: I'm not saying I know the answer, just that I know the problem. |
| 03:50.45 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, looks like your commandline argument is getting lost somehow |
| 03:50.48 | Jamash | I tried the LFD2 demo |
| 03:51.01 | Jamash | there's a jukebox in a cafe that plays "Re: Your Brains" |
| 03:51.10 | Jamash | ~Valve++ |
| 03:51.25 | kd3 | looks at line 791 |
| 03:51.39 | kd3 | rather, line 752 |
| 03:52.08 | kd3 | wait, you're not on darwin. so yeah, 791 |
| 03:53.06 | DWSR | Shirik: Can't you just symlink the library into a folder already in the path? |
| 03:53.13 | Shirik | um |
| 03:53.24 | Shirik | symlinking is essentially copying, but theoretically yes |
| 03:53.25 | Shirik | BUT |
| 03:53.27 | Shirik | look at the path! |
| 03:53.32 | Shirik | C:\Windows\System32 is already there |
| 03:53.45 | Shirik | or were you not meaning the env var path |
| 03:53.45 | DWSR | Your path's wrong, that's a lowercase c. |
| 03:53.57 | Shirik | msys uses /c/ ... |
| 03:54.01 | DWSR | ah |
| 03:54.02 | DWSR | nvm then |
| 03:55.26 | Seerah | mmmmmm! nachos!!!! we haven't made nachos in ages, and they're soooo delicious :) |
| 03:55.31 | Seerah | gobbles down her nachos |
| 03:55.36 | DWSR | so my guild leader's a douche. |
| 03:55.44 | DWSR | I constantly ask in /g "Anyone have fish feast mats" |
| 03:55.46 | *** join/#wowuidev yleaf (n=chatzill@116.234.199.26) |
| 03:55.52 | DWSR | No one replies, usually. |
| 03:56.04 | DWSR | So today he promotes me so that I can look in the gbank for some eternals |
| 03:56.26 | DWSR | Lo and behold, 150 Glacial Salmon, 150 Nettlefish, 20 Musselback Sculpin. |
| 03:56.39 | DWSR | And about 1000 Northern Spices. |
| 03:57.11 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe he doesn't normally really look at the bank? |
| 03:57.24 | Lopeppeppy | I used to manage my raid bank and sometimes I still had no idea what was in it. :) |
| 03:57.44 | DWSR | Those mats took up like 1/2 a tab's worth of shit and it's on the same tab as Crusader Orbs. |
| 03:58.20 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent. Well then, he's a doofus who doesn't pay attention. |
| 03:58.35 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 03:58.53 | DWSR | So I just ninja'd all the mats including about 200 Northern Spice. |
| 03:59.00 | DWSR | And I was like "Farming Musselback Sculpin, brb" |
| 03:59.09 | Shirik | kd3: That's kinda the point though |
| 03:59.19 | Shirik | I didn't install opengl by compiling it or anything, it's on windows by default |
| 03:59.36 | kd3 | but are the opengl headers installed anywhere? |
| 03:59.37 | Shirik | so how is it to know what -lGL is even supposed to mean? |
| 03:59.39 | DWSR | Shirik: Perhaps that's your problem? |
| 03:59.57 | Shirik | but ld.exe is the linker |
| 04:00.02 | Shirik | why should it need the headers? |
| 04:00.10 | kd3 | because if it's trying to link against it... |
| 04:00.16 | kd3 | s/if// |
| 04:00.19 | Shirik | so? The headers aren't used during the linking phase |
| 04:00.34 | kd3 | it's a quick sanity check to make sure they're there |
| 04:00.39 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:00.44 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure I have the header files, but that's not really the point :P |
| 04:00.53 | DWSR | Shirik: Well, make sure and try it? |
| 04:00.58 | Shirik | try what? |
| 04:01.04 | DWSR | Try recompiling |
| 04:01.16 | Shirik | I can't |
| 04:01.36 | Shirik | they don't even have a windows build. The OpenGL site says "don't compile it" |
| 04:01.50 | Shirik | I guess I could try anyway |
| 04:02.02 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 04:02.04 | DWSR | That's the spirit |
| 04:02.20 | Shirik | but I don't even know where to download |
| 04:02.28 | Shirik | every time I click to download I get taken to a page saying "don't do that!" |
| 04:04.07 | DWSR | http://archives.seul.org/linuxgames/Jun-2001/msg00047.html |
| 04:04.40 | Shirik | not using cygwin btw |
| 04:04.51 | DWSR | Shirik: Doesn't mean it isn't relevant? |
| 04:04.53 | Shirik | but ok, that's a point |
| 04:04.57 | Shirik | but |
| 04:05.00 | Shirik | how can I change that? |
| 04:05.06 | Shirik | it's not like I told it to use -lGL |
| 04:05.18 | Thunder_Child | is it possible to bind the dev console to a different key than '~'? |
| 04:05.33 | Shirik | in WoW? I believe I remember seeing that somewhere |
| 04:05.36 | Shirik | there's a cvar for it |
| 04:05.38 | Shirik | maybe consoleKey? |
| 04:05.45 | haste | Thunder_Child: SetConsoleKey() |
| 04:06.02 | Thunder_Child | ty |
| 04:06.08 | Shirik | I can use LIBS libraries to pass to the linker, e.g. -l<library> |
| 04:06.18 | Shirik | But, wouldn't that mean it will try -lGL -lopengl32 |
| 04:06.21 | Shirik | which would be bad |
| 04:07.37 | Shirik | I guess I could symlink it |
| 04:07.42 | Shirik | but that's not a very good solution >< |
| 04:07.44 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie, time for all good Peppys to be in bed. All the bad ones too. :) Night guys, probably see ya'll again on Sunday or Monday! |
| 04:07.58 | DWSR | nn |
| 04:08.34 | Shirik | night Lopeppeppy, happy birthday |
| 04:08.44 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 04:18.09 | Shirik | does opengl even have a source? |
| 04:18.22 | Shirik | like, the SDK page tells me "opengl isn't a library, it is a collection of libraries" |
| 04:18.27 | Shirik | the linker commands seem to think differently |
| 04:23.53 | alestane | OpenGL is an API, which has multiple implementations. |
| 04:24.29 | Shirik | ok |
| 04:25.12 | alestane | Or at least, that's my understanding. |
| 04:25.36 | alestane | A compliant implementation MUST implement all the features, but can do so in either hardware or software. |
| 04:25.39 | Stew_a | are there any other good GUI libraries around apart from AceGUI? |
| 04:26.03 | Shirik | but what does that mean about the SDK? |
| 04:26.25 | alestane | An environment typically has to provide its own linkages to the OpenGL API, along with appropriate commands to connect rendering contexts to display adapters or windows. |
| 04:26.45 | Shirik | How do I get a GL library so I can make my linker happy? |
| 04:27.09 | alestane | That, I don't know. I've barely started working with it myself on Xcode. |
| 04:27.19 | Shirik | I have opengl32.dll (and now also libGL.dll) on my system, but it seems that's not what it wants |
| 04:27.34 | alestane | But your exact library is probably going to be dependent on your OS. |
| 04:28.27 | alestane | Your target build environment, more precisely. |
| 04:28.29 | Shirik | in a second here I'm just going to say "fuck it" and compile the whole damn thing manually |
| 04:28.40 | Shirik | it will probably be faster than trying to fix this configure script |
| 04:29.11 | alestane | I don't think it really helps to compile it into your program...to get any performance out of OpenGL, you have to link it into the implementation that Windows already bridges to the hardware. |
| 04:29.21 | alestane | I'm hardly an expert, however. |
| 04:29.30 | Shirik | I'm not trying to compile opengl, I'm trying to compile some other library |
| 04:29.33 | Shirik | and it can't find opengl |
| 04:30.11 | ScytheBlade1 | The ATi and NV drivers actually replace the windows OGL stack entirely with their own DLLs and such |
| 04:30.34 | Shirik | I give up |
| 04:30.37 | Shirik | I'm going to compile it myself |
| 04:30.58 | Seerah | don't give up, Shirik :( |
| 04:31.18 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: That's typical, since they have to connect the Windows API to their own hardware implementations. |
| 04:31.26 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 04:33.53 | Shirik | fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'config.h': No such file or directory |
| 04:33.56 | Shirik | sighs |
| 04:34.03 | alestane | I believe the Mac version provides a static software layer that calls through to a hardware-dependent implementation plugin, but then again Mac is also supposed to be a controlled environment. They can attempt to mandate that hardware suppliers provide drivers that plug into their OpenGL layer. |
| 04:37.23 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I blame you for all of this |
| 04:37.26 | Shirik | fyi |
| 04:37.43 | Stew_a | are there any other good GUI libraries around apart from AceGUI? |
| 04:37.49 | ScytheBlade1 | nods and shrugs |
| 04:38.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got an inch and a half thick bruise on my leg, you're the least of my worries? :) |
| 04:38.24 | ScytheBlade1 | s/?// |
| 04:40.10 | alestane | Stew_a: What do you need to do? |
| 04:40.20 | Shirik | ~pi |
| 04:40.21 | purl | methinks pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 04:40.29 | Dagmar | WALL OF DIGITS |
| 04:40.44 | DWSR | What's pi to the nth digit? |
| 04:40.45 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:40.47 | Shirik | fatal error C1064: compiler limit : token overflowed internal buffer |
| 04:40.55 | Shirik | Apparently it doesn't want M_PI to be that long |
| 04:41.18 | Stew_a | well i need a gui library that lets me set up my own textures on widgets, can i do that with AceGUI?? |
| 04:41.24 | alestane | It's going to fit it into what, a double-precision floating point number? |
| 04:41.28 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:41.38 | Dagmar | Without a modulus, even |
| 04:41.41 | Dagmar | True story. |
| 04:41.46 | alestane | Not clear yet on what you need a library for, but probably. |
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| 04:43.50 | Shirik | alestane: for an app |
| 04:43.56 | Shirik | I don't need opengl, I need this other library |
| 04:43.59 | Shirik | which is looking for opengl |
| 04:43.59 | alestane | Not you, Stew_a . |
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| 04:44.28 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:44.57 | alestane | I presume that OpenGL isn't the default linkage option in Microsoft Studio, since they try to steer people to Direct3D. |
| 04:45.22 | alestane | But I believe Windows does include an OPenGL linkage, sicne WoW can be run with that option. |
| 04:47.18 | alestane | So depending on your compiler, there's probably some option to tell it to make those libraries available by default. |
| 04:47.45 | alestane | But I'm talking out the side of my mouth at this point. |
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| 04:50.19 | Shirik | omg |
| 04:50.26 | Shirik | 1> Creating library C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\ftgl\Debug\ftgl.lib and object C:\Users\mpdelbuono\Documents\Code\ftgl\Debug\ftgl.exp |
| 04:50.27 | Shirik | 1>ftgl - 0 error(s), 0 warning(s) |
| 04:50.28 | Shirik | finally -_- |
| 04:50.35 | Shirik | worst library experience ever >< |
| 04:50.55 | Shirik | alestane: Yeah you have to specify opengl32.lib manually |
| 04:51.01 | Shirik | but that's pretty trivial, and VS already knows where to find it |
| 04:51.15 | alestane | So you did link into an existing DLL...good, I figured you'd have to. |
| 04:51.38 | Shirik | Well I was always planning to |
| 04:51.43 | Shirik | it was a matter of convincing it where it was |
| 04:51.48 | Shirik | the configure script refused to listen to me |
| 04:53.39 | Shirik | I'm still not convinced of this library. He is doing some things which are extremely dangerous in C++ |
| 04:53.49 | Shirik | and VS is picking it up and throwing out warnings like crazy |
| 04:54.13 | alestane | What library did you need? |
| 04:54.21 | Shirik | It's called ftgl |
| 04:54.58 | Shirik | then again, I shouldn't complain I guess if it works |
| 04:55.15 | Shirik | I've seen code like this written for aircraft. It's dangerous, but if you know EXACTLY what you're doing, it's also deterministic |
| 04:55.23 | Antiarc | So, we have a druid with 9200 achievement points. |
| 04:55.26 | Antiarc | Achievements are her life. |
| 04:55.30 | Antiarc | I got her to run this macro. |
| 04:55.35 | Antiarc | (by telling her it'd help her find rare spawns) |
| 04:55.37 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.50 | Shirik | lua> "\71e\116\84ota\108\65\99\104iev\101\109\101\110\116\80\111\105nts" |
| 04:55.50 | lua_bot | Shirik: GetTotalAchievementPoints |
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| 04:56.00 | Shirik | lua> "\071et\65c\104ieve\109\101n\116\073nfo" |
| 04:56.00 | lua_bot | Shirik: GetAchievementInfo |
| 04:56.04 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:56.06 | Shirik | you are awesome |
| 04:56.15 | Torhal | Hah |
| 04:56.21 | Shirik | I"m going to have to save that one |
| 04:56.29 | Shirik | she had a heart attack, huh? |
| 04:56.34 | Antiarc | Just nearly died. |
| 04:56.46 | alestane | I can see that that monkeys with the default functions, but haven't quite parsed what it does. |
| 04:57.00 | Shirik | GetAchievementPoints = function() return 0; end |
| 04:57.00 | Torhal | I'd say that would make her UI show 0 points |
| 04:57.04 | alestane | It replaces GetTotalAchievementPoints with 0. |
| 04:57.11 | Shirik | with a functio nthat returns 0 |
| 04:57.12 | Antiarc | It hooks GetTotalAchievementPoints to return 0, and hooks GetAchievementInfo to say she hasn't completed any achievements |
| 04:57.14 | Shirik | so when she pulls up the UI, it says 0 |
| 04:57.44 | alestane | Ah, it works over the info function to always return uncompleted. |
| 04:58.01 | A-KO | that is evil |
| 04:58.02 | A-KO | just an FYI |
| 04:58.09 | Shirik | it is awesome evil |
| 05:00.51 | Thunder_Child | i found lunessa's slogan |
| 05:00.53 | fl1st4r | how can i order dropdown menu by name ? i fill my menu with a table. |
| 05:00.54 | Thunder_Child | "Veni Vidi Vino" |
| 05:02.11 | alestane | "I came, I saw, I got sloshed"? |
| 05:02.20 | Thunder_Child | s/sloshed/drank/ |
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| 05:10.52 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 05:10.59 | DWSR | I thought Vino was Wine, though? |
| 05:14.52 | Thunder_Child | latin has multiple translations based off of intent |
| 05:16.14 | DWSR | ah |
| 05:16.20 | DWSR | Makes sense, imo. |
| 05:18.10 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I got drank? |
| 05:18.37 | Thunder_Child | funny Shirik |
| 05:18.40 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:18.46 | Shirik | seriously |
| 05:18.50 | Thunder_Child | i came, i saw, i drank |
| 05:18.55 | Shirik | o |
| 05:18.58 | Shirik | it's late :( |
| 05:19.15 | Shirik | I like "I got sloshed" better |
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| 05:21.19 | Arrowmaster | you know fox may have renewed dollhouse for a 2nd season instead of canceling like everybody expected, but they sure seem to be trying to kill it since its a guess every week if its going to be on or not |
| 05:23.25 | Dagmar | Could be worse |
| 05:23.47 | Dagmar | They could be airing it "sometime" after midnight, like ABC is doing with "V" on many of it's affiliates |
| 05:24.06 | Dagmar | You'd think with as much money as they spent on that, they'd want _everyone_ to see it in it's primetime slot |
| 05:26.51 | fl1st4r | how can i order dropdown menu by name ? i fill my menu with a table. |
| 05:33.39 | Antiarc | Someone help me trim this |
| 05:33.40 | Antiarc | v,w="\65c\104iev\101m\101\110t","\071et";_G[w.."\84ota\108"..v.."\80\111\105nts"]=function() return 0 end;x=w..v.."\073nfo";OG,_G[x]=_G[x],function(...)a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k=OG...;d=nil;return a,b,c,d,d,d,d,h,i,j,k end;_G[w.."LatestCompleted"..v.."s"]=function() end |
| 05:33.44 | Antiarc | I need to get that down to 251 chars. |
| 05:34.16 | Antiarc | I could deobfuscate it but that defeats the purpose. |
| 05:36.01 | Antiarc | VICTORY |
| 05:39.37 | Dagmar | Pfft. I thought Maul blew that limit away |
| 05:41.28 | Shirik | Adys: ping |
| 05:41.51 | Shirik | Antiarc: You have a few extra spaces in there |
| 05:42.15 | Antiarc | Which ones? |
| 05:42.27 | Shirik | lua> return #([[v,w="\65c\104iev\101m\101\110t","\071et";_G[w.."\84ota\108"..v.."\80\111\105nts"]=function()return0 end;x=w..v.."\073nfo";OG,_G[x]=_G[x],function(...)a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k=OG...;d=nil;return a,b,c,d,d,d,d,h,i,j,k end;_G[w.."LatestCompleted"..v.."s"]=function()end]]) |
| 05:42.27 | lua_bot | Shirik: 263 |
| 05:42.45 | Antiarc | n,q,v,w=_G,function()return 0 end,"\65c\104iev\101m\101nt","Get";n[w.."\84ota\108"..v.."\80o\105nts"]=q;x=w..v.."\073nfo";G,n[x]=n[x],function(...)a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k=G(...);d=nil;return a,b,c,d,d,d,d,h,i,j,k end;n[w.."LatestCompleted"..v.."s"]=q |
| 05:42.51 | Antiarc | That works, but I would like the last hook to return nil |
| 05:43.03 | Antiarc | I'll settle for this version though |
| 05:43.14 | Shirik | return nil as opposed to returning nothing? |
| 05:43.18 | Shirik | I don't think anything will notice :) |
| 05:43.22 | Antiarc | It returns 0 right now |
| 05:43.24 | Shirik | o |
| 05:43.25 | Antiarc | Which has a different effect |
| 05:43.35 | Antiarc | I reuse the func |
| 05:44.42 | NightHawkTheSane | if i bought a t8 token with emblems, then bought the piece of gear with it, can i trade it back all the way to emblems? |
| 05:45.59 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 05:46.18 | Shirik | you might be able to convince a GM to do it for you though |
| 05:59.59 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, no, once an item that is purchased for tokes is altered it cant be traded back |
| 06:00.04 | Thunder_Child | tokens* |
| 06:00.48 | NightHawkTheSane | http://wrongcards.com/ecard/suspect-you-have-swine-flu |
| 06:04.22 | Antiarc | Oh man. |
| 06:04.29 | Antiarc | I just had a horrible idea for a malicious macro. |
| 06:05.11 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.17 | Antiarc | So evil. |
| 06:05.20 | Antiarc | Bye bye savedvars. |
| 06:08.12 | Shirik | Antiarc: I've accidentally lost my saved vars before by doing a /script setfenv(0, {}) |
| 06:08.17 | Antiarc | ouch. |
| 06:11.11 | Dagmar | Well, at least you didn't wink out of existance. |
| 06:12.06 | batrick | hmm |
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| 06:19.12 | Shirik | HI BATRICK |
| 06:23.55 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:27.11 | Cairenn | comforts Shirik |
| 06:27.34 | Shirik | :) |
| 06:30.13 | batrick | hi shirik |
| 06:34.15 | Shirik | hi |
| 06:42.50 | batrick | ru good at graphics shirik |
| 06:42.59 | Shirik | I am a programmer, therefore, no |
| 06:43.10 | batrick | damn it |
| 06:43.12 | batrick | me 2 :( |
| 06:43.14 | Cairenn | the one does not preclude the other |
| 06:43.20 | Cairenn | points at Dolby, for one |
| 06:43.45 | Jamash | me 3 |
| 06:44.04 | Jamash | my sister got all the graphics genes |
| 06:56.40 | Shirik | disagree Cairenn |
| 06:56.47 | Shirik | Dolby is just the man, he doesn't count |
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| 06:57.10 | Adys | Shirik: just as i wake up |
| 06:57.14 | Adys | oh |
| 06:57.19 | Adys | nvm you guys just dont talk. |
| 06:57.38 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:57.52 | Adys | Shirik: pong |
| 06:57.58 | Shirik | yeah nm I figured it out |
| 07:06.47 | Shirik | hm |
| 07:06.50 | Shirik | Cairenn might like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbazH6aE2g |
| 07:07.04 | Cairenn | hehehe, yeah, I've seen it |
| 07:08.39 | Torhal | Wow, flashback to two years ago. |
| 07:09.16 | Shirik | does LFG actually have a film? |
| 07:09.48 | Torhal | Dunno, I'd only ever seen that |
| 07:12.18 | Cairenn | My daughter really enjoyed his panel at Draconis |
| 07:15.47 | Dagmar | Shirik: Not yet and it's really annoying |
| 07:15.58 | Dagmar | Shirik: At this point I'd pay money up front just to see whatever theyv'e completed |
| 07:16.43 | Dagmar | I should try and dig around on their forums to find out if the project is scrapped or just stalled or what |
| 07:17.38 | Cairenn | http://forums.lfgcomic.com/index.php?showtopic=3939&view=findpost&p=548157 |
| 07:17.52 | Cairenn | looking for another animation company |
| 07:19.25 | Dagmar | If it wouldn't be amazingly time-consuming to do it, I'd expect by now they'd be doing some flash to do it on their own |
| 07:19.38 | Dagmar | ...but that would probably bring work on the comic and the other comic they do do a halt |
| 07:21.41 | Cairenn | and one thread I looked through suggests that it is supposed to be coming out in 2010 |
| 07:21.55 | Cairenn | Q1 or Q2 |
| 07:22.52 | Dagmar | Probably not going to happen if they're currently looking for anotehr company |
| 07:22.55 | Cairenn | did you guys see this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BotnVqExbEE |
| 07:23.13 | Dagmar | Oh yeah |
| 07:23.19 | Cairenn | hey, I don't know for sure, just passing along what I saw |
| 07:23.59 | Arrowmaster | that was a joke |
| 07:25.09 | Dagmar | I think I could do a better job than the guy who was doing Cale there |
| 07:25.37 | Dagmar | ...but I dont think I could actually do it because I'd be hating not doing Richard |
| 07:26.40 | Dagmar | Cairenn: By the way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blXBGkQpSVc&NR=1 is Voltaire |
| 07:26.44 | Dagmar | ...who's a hilarious guy. |
| 07:26.54 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:29.05 | Wobin | Dagmar, hm, I prefer JoCo =) |
| 07:30.02 | Dagmar | Yes, well, you're not a goth at heart |
| 07:30.36 | Dagmar | *I* know why Voltaire stopped doing goth chamber music and switched to fusking. |
| 07:30.46 | Dagmar | It's more fun to be more overtly evil than people can believe. |
| 07:38.49 | Wobin | http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF186-Guntron_Alliance_Force.jpg |
| 07:38.57 | Wobin | PBF is so awesome even if it's old |
| 07:40.13 | Arrowmaster | heh |
| 07:41.00 | Shirik | recently rediscovered Ace of Base |
| 07:45.26 | Wobin | Another night another dream but always you, another vision of love that seems to be true? |
| 07:45.57 | Wobin | or was that someone else? |
| 07:46.15 | Wobin | All that she wants, is another baby, she's gone tomorrow boy |
| 07:46.54 | Wobin | Ah, that was Real McCoy |
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| 07:50.12 | Fisker | plants a knife in Shirik's back |
| 07:50.23 | Fisker | that'll teach you |
| 07:50.25 | DWSR | Fisker is a SPY! |
| 07:50.57 | Fisker | you have no proof :( |
| 07:52.38 | Wobin | is Fisker a SPY |
| 07:52.43 | Wobin | or is he a SUPY? |
| 07:53.01 | Fisker | i'm actually your mother |
| 07:53.09 | Wobin | You're totally not |
| 07:53.18 | Wobin | She's sitting on my couch |
| 07:53.53 | Fisker | everytime you look away i take out my laptop |
| 07:54.03 | Wobin | lies |
| 07:54.15 | Fisker | naw |
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| 07:57.06 | Shirik | moves the knife to Fisker's back |
| 07:59.02 | Fisker | you're dead |
| 07:59.08 | Shirik | All that she wants |
| 07:59.10 | Shirik | is another baby |
| 07:59.17 | Shirik | she's gone tomorrow |
| 08:00.17 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:00.21 | Shirik | I'm not dead |
| 08:00.29 | Fisker | yes |
| 08:00.34 | Fisker | you are |
| 08:01.19 | Shirik | nope |
| 08:01.53 | Fisker | plants a knife in Shirik's heart, killing him. |
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| 08:02.31 | Shirik | because I talk, I talk, I talk to you, in the night, in your dream, of love so true |
| 08:04.42 | Fisker | Left 4 Dead 2: Unfair performance benefits with cut version? - PCGH has benchmarked the recently released demo for Left 4 Dead 2 compared with the version of the demo released in Germany that has some of the gore removed, and found the cut version runs about 40%(!) faster than the uncut version. |
| 08:04.44 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 08:04.48 | Fisker | "unfair?" |
| 08:05.29 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:05.51 | Shirik | nm |
| 08:06.01 | Trela | Well, duh. Less graphics to deal well means it runs faster. |
| 08:06.09 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 08:06.10 | Trela | *deal with |
| 08:06.18 | Fisker | They even use CS:Source weapons |
| 08:06.22 | Fisker | Their poly count must be like 5? |
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| 08:28.57 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/20677336915-blizzard-pet-store-now-regional.html <-baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwww |
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| 08:30.29 | Thunder_Child | wow....perfect example of money grubbery (with the possible exception of some digital law) |
| 08:31.32 | nevcairiel | whats the dfiference in which store you buy |
| 08:31.58 | Thunder_Child | well if you are EU and buy US, it's ~50% cheaper? |
| 08:32.56 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 08:33.00 | Fisker | well not 50% |
| 08:33.30 | Fisker | more like 33% |
| 08:33.31 | Fisker | but still |
| 08:33.32 | Fisker | QQ |
| 08:33.35 | Fisker | what about gifting? :3 |
| 08:33.59 | Fisker | lol @ SG:U |
| 08:33.59 | Thunder_Child | buy in the other persons store |
| 08:34.02 | nevcairiel | there are probably laws and regulations that don't allow it that way anyway |
| 08:34.20 | Fisker | not really nevcairiel |
| 08:34.24 | Fisker | they just have to tax |
| 08:34.49 | nevcairiel | so they actually lose money when people buy cross-regional |
| 08:34.59 | nevcairiel | its just natural to limit it |
| 08:35.13 | Fisker | even more natural to have the same price :P |
| 08:35.21 | Fisker | But they still haven't adjusted the british price either |
| 08:35.35 | nevcairiel | monthly payments are lower in the US too |
| 08:35.40 | nevcairiel | still people stopped whining =P |
| 08:36.04 | nevcairiel | hey with the dollar as low as it is, everything is cheaper in the US ;) |
| 08:36.08 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 08:36.12 | Fisker | But that's kinda understandable |
| 08:36.22 | Fisker | Annoying that GPB > Euro |
| 08:36.24 | Fisker | :/( |
| 08:38.40 | tem | Bibi, fuck your pvp coverage |
| 08:38.49 | tem | that stupid stream thing rapes Chrome |
| 08:43.57 | Adys | blame mlg |
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| 08:54.04 | Fisker | Adys got "Bibi" on hihglight hoho |
| 08:54.53 | Adys | obviously, with an 8 min delay in my answer, I must have heard something |
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| 09:00.05 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 09:00.10 | Shirik | sweet dreams are made of this |
| 09:00.13 | Shirik | who am I to disagree |
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| 09:18.15 | DWSR | Which gives more AP to a rogue, strength or agi? |
| 09:19.07 | zenzelezz | does strength actually give attack power for a rogue? |
| 09:19.18 | DWSR | yes, that I do know. |
| 09:20.50 | Hjalte | Then it's str/agi = 1/1 |
| 09:20.56 | Hjalte | It's also on wowwiki |
| 09:24.02 | nevcairiel | rogues should never stack strength, its just wrong |
| 09:24.31 | Hjalte | agi gives them crit, str does not |
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| 09:41.07 | Thunder_Child | stabs DA:O repeatedly |
| 09:48.37 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
| 09:48.40 | Fisker | why so loading? |
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| 09:50.28 | Thunder_Child | hey Fisker |
| 09:50.32 | Thunder_Child | why so unclear? |
| 09:51.15 | Fisker | you wouldn't kill a car |
| 09:51.21 | Twisol | Curseforge down for anyone else? |
| 09:51.56 | Fisker | you wouldn't steal a webpage |
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| 09:53.11 | Fisker | you wouldn't stab Xinhuan in the back |
| 09:53.41 | Shirik | steals Fisker |
| 09:54.45 | mikma_ | shirik: please, keep him. |
| 09:54.53 | Twisol | XD |
| 09:54.59 | Twisol|sleeping | night |
| 09:55.02 | Shirik | gives Fisker to mikma_ as an early christmas present |
| 09:56.04 | Fisker | my cat is attempting to sleep |
| 09:56.05 | Fisker | be quiet |
| 09:57.15 | Shirik | ~loud |
| 09:57.20 | Shirik | ~noise |
| 09:57.24 | Shirik | bah |
| 09:57.27 | Shirik | ~kill Fisker |
| 09:57.28 | purl | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged neutron gun at Fisker |
| 09:58.14 | Fisker | ok weird |
| 09:58.22 | Fisker | DA:O must definitely have some issues |
| 09:58.32 | Fisker | Yesterday it took like 1-2 minutes to load the level i'm on now |
| 09:58.37 | Fisker | Now it took less than 10 seconds |
| 09:59.19 | Grum | hate for fisker is not issues |
| 09:59.49 | Fisker | Why doesn't it hate me today then? |
| 09:59.51 | Fisker | L2P Grum |
| 10:00.23 | Grum | dunno, universe is being nice? still early |
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| 10:42.28 | Wobble | http://failblog.org/2009/10/30/truck-driver-fail-2/ |
| 10:54.52 | zenzelezz | hehe, looks like the victim handled it pretty well |
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| 10:58.12 | Wobble | .... http://amish-online-dating.com/ |
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| 11:27.48 | Legorol | Anyone on the PTR: am I the only one who can't see quest objectives, texts and rewards on the world map, like I should according to the latest PTR patch notes? |
| 11:28.09 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 11:28.15 | bluspacecow | you neeeds to turns them on |
| 11:28.22 | bluspacecow | interface -> objectives |
| 11:28.27 | bluspacecow | L to bring up quest log |
| 11:28.29 | Legorol | If you mean the checkbox on the bottom right corner of the world map.. |
| 11:28.30 | bluspacecow | shift click a quest |
| 11:28.57 | Legorol | but there is a checkbox on the bottom right corner of the world map saying "Show Quest Objectives", what's that for then? |
| 11:29.13 | Legorol | bluspacecow: I think you are confusing it with quest objective tracking |
| 11:29.29 | Legorol | That's the text list of quest titles under the minimap, that's not what I'm talking about |
| 11:29.29 | bluspacecow | no i am not |
| 11:29.33 | bluspacecow | tested that last night |
| 11:29.46 | bluspacecow | and i had the new ones on the map |
| 11:29.47 | Legorol | ok, i'll go try |
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| 11:30.01 | Wobin | hm |
| 11:30.03 | bluspacecow | ill test it in another 5 minutes ...finishing a long post |
| 11:30.07 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.10 | Wobin | died horribly on the first boss fight of DragonAge |
| 11:30.20 | bluspacecow | lolz @ dragon age |
| 11:30.25 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.50 | bluspacecow | Legorol there's a post up on wow.com about using the new quest tracker thingy |
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| 11:33.14 | Legorol | bluspacecow: I don't see any options in Interface -> Objectives pertaining to quest objective tracking on the world map |
| 11:33.33 | bluspacecow | gimme a minute or 2 or 3 and i can look again for you |
| 11:33.45 | Legorol | The four options I see are: Instant Quest Text, Automatic Quest Tracking, Automatic Quest Progress Update, Quest Difficulty Color |
| 11:36.26 | bluspacecow | what level toon are you on there ? |
| 11:37.34 | Legorol | 80 |
| 11:37.50 | Legorol | there's another thing: i can't find any article related to the quest objectives feature on wow.com |
| 11:37.53 | Legorol | can you possibly link it for me? |
| 11:38.10 | bluspacecow | its working on my 80 |
| 11:38.23 | Legorol | what quest are you specifically trying with? |
| 11:38.26 | bluspacecow | grizzly hills i have 2 quests tracked in the quest object tracker |
| 11:38.34 | bluspacecow | are you in the zone for the quest you are tracking |
| 11:38.38 | Legorol | nope |
| 11:38.40 | Legorol | yes |
| 11:38.46 | Legorol | hm, let me think |
| 11:38.55 | Legorol | i picked up fishing and cooking dailies in dalaran |
| 11:39.16 | Legorol | bluspacecow: I am not talking about the Quest Objectives tracker shown under the minimap though |
| 11:39.25 | bluspacecow | i know |
| 11:39.29 | bluspacecow | but it appears |
| 11:39.36 | bluspacecow | you need to track a quest before it shows up there |
| 11:39.52 | bluspacecow | you also need to have the map set to that zone the quest is in |
| 11:40.23 | Legorol | you mean I need to track it before it shows up on the world map? |
| 11:40.23 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 11:40.23 | bluspacecow | thats how they roll |
| 11:40.38 | Legorol | here is the thing: I have clicked the new "Show Map" icon in the quest log, whilst I had the fishing daily selected (today's is Dangerously Delicios, from Wintergrasp) |
| 11:40.47 | Legorol | and the world map didn't go to Wintergrasp for me, it went to Dalaran |
| 11:40.49 | Legorol | that's strange |
| 11:41.06 | bluspacecow | *moving short gnome legs to fishing daily giver* |
| 11:41.48 | Legorol | Ok, I'm tracking the fishing and cooking dailies. |
| 11:42.00 | bluspacecow | yeah that sounds like a bug that its not switching that map |
| 11:42.05 | Legorol | They are shown on the Objectives list under minimap. No numbers next to them, and not shown on world map. |
| 11:42.30 | Legorol | maybe because they are dailies |
| 11:42.36 | bluspacecow | interface->Objectives I have the first 3 turned on |
| 11:42.44 | bluspacecow | i switch my map to wintergrasp |
| 11:42.54 | Jerub | "you have entered too many instances recently" ? |
| 11:43.14 | bluspacecow | click the "show quest objectives" button on the map and its there |
| 11:43.14 | smcn | LOL futurama reference on SG:U that's great |
| 11:43.35 | bluspacecow | oh wait hang on |
| 11:43.44 | Legorol | bluspacecow: the first 3 options in Interface->Objectives are Instant Quest Text, Automatic Quest Tracking, Automatic Quest Progress Update |
| 11:43.59 | Legorol | none of them are related to quest tracking on world map, those options have always been there |
| 11:44.02 | bluspacecow | hang on hang on its not showing the fishing daily for me |
| 11:44.12 | bluspacecow | got any quests specific to a zone ? |
| 11:44.18 | Legorol | fishing daily :o) |
| 11:44.29 | bluspacecow | something else that one wasn't showing for me |
| 11:44.38 | Legorol | no i only have dailies, weeklies, and two quests that are completed in a dungeon |
| 11:44.42 | Legorol | omw to pick something more sensible up |
| 11:45.48 | Jerub | anyone seen that message before? any idea what the timer is? |
| 11:46.02 | bluspacecow | i did not test it on dailys tho ...just my level 3 alt |
| 11:46.10 | bluspacecow | Jerub : in Live or PTR |
| 11:46.16 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.56 | Legorol | no, it's related to something else |
| 11:47.07 | Legorol | Jerub: there is a limit of 5 instances per hour you can enter (including raids) |
| 11:47.25 | Legorol | If you have entered 5 in the last hour, and you try to enter a 6th one, you get that message |
| 11:47.38 | bluspacecow | well dungeons and dailys dont seem to be tracked yet |
| 11:47.43 | smoke__ | i have this problem with my latency display on my cast bar in oUF, basically the background layer sometimes goes "on top" of it, and even when i set the strata or put them on different layers (artwork/border) it still happens does anyone know what is causing this? |
| 11:47.58 | Legorol | bluspacecow: indeed, it's working for me now that i picked up two random quests in Dragonblight |
| 11:48.11 | Legorol | the dailies, raid weeklies and dungeon quests i have are not working |
| 11:48.21 | bluspacecow | maybe its not been updated yet for certain quests |
| 11:48.27 | Jerub | ah, we're norm toc spamming |
| 11:48.28 | bluspacecow | none of my daily seem to be trackable |
| 11:48.33 | Legorol | or maybe they leave dailies out of it on purpose |
| 11:48.49 | Legorol | the dungeon quests at least zoom me to the relevant dungeon |
| 11:48.55 | bluspacecow | oh noes we has to use our brains to remember where we went yesterday or the day before |
| 11:49.03 | Legorol | and conceptually, there is nothing much else to do with them |
| 11:49.08 | Legorol | so i can understand why those are not tracked |
| 11:49.15 | Jerub | fuck. that means we're clearing it in 10ish minutes... |
| 11:49.28 | bluspacecow | do em once and you can figure out where to do them again |
| 11:50.31 | bluspacecow | click the southwest arrow at the top of the map legorol |
| 11:51.12 | Legorol | I did before, it has no effect on dailies |
| 11:51.19 | bluspacecow | no |
| 11:51.21 | Legorol | but is working correctly and tracking nondailies |
| 11:51.22 | bluspacecow | its another feature |
| 11:51.25 | Legorol | yah I know |
| 11:51.30 | Legorol | I did read hte patchnotes :P |
| 11:51.35 | bluspacecow | they needs to make dat moveable |
| 11:51.40 | bluspacecow | it still the same frame tho |
| 11:51.51 | Legorol | they do indeed, and/or transparent |
| 11:51.55 | bluspacecow | i edited dragem all to put that frame in |
| 11:51.57 | Legorol | or even resizable |
| 11:52.19 | bluspacecow | and the main map moves but has 2 huge black bits on ither side |
| 11:52.24 | bluspacecow | do you notice |
| 11:52.35 | bluspacecow | the object tracker isn't moveable or resizable anymore |
| 11:52.49 | bluspacecow | i really wish they revert that change in a coming build |
| 11:53.36 | bluspacecow | http://www.wow.com/2009/11/06/patch-3-3-ptr-quest-tracking-feature/ |
| 11:54.06 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 11:54.23 | bluspacecow | some guy's asking where the new frostwyrms have earrings |
| 11:54.36 | bluspacecow | i told em maybe they're girl dragons ? |
| 11:54.47 | zenzelezz | where? |
| 11:54.53 | Legorol | The objectives list not being movable is not the only change it seems, the minimap lost its Minimize icon |
| 11:54.57 | Legorol | so you can't hide it anymore |
| 11:55.02 | Legorol | they are using that for the objectives now |
| 11:55.03 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677676894&sid=1 |
| 11:55.04 | Legorol | it seems |
| 11:55.08 | bluspacecow | -_- |
| 11:57.25 | bluspacecow | legorol : i wonder if it's the same frame name for that button |
| 11:57.29 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.34 | Legorol | i wouldn't be surprised :) |
| 11:57.46 | bluspacecow | see what you get when pointing to the minimize button on the obj. tracker |
| 11:57.46 | Legorol | thanks for the link |
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| 12:01.56 | Aelo | meow |
| 12:03.39 | bluspacecow | herro |
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| 12:16.41 | smcn | http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9619/horationcaineowned.jpg |
| 12:17.06 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 12:35.43 | Wobin | http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2009/10/28 |
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| 12:50.48 | Zombie_Will | hey :) |
| 12:51.28 | zenzelezz | hi |
| 12:53.58 | Zombie_Will | How goes it? |
| 12:54.36 | zenzelezz | quiet this time on a Saturday |
| 12:54.56 | Zombie_Will | heh |
| 12:54.59 | Zombie_Will | I had to work all night |
| 12:55.02 | Zombie_Will | to catch up |
| 12:55.03 | Zombie_Will | whew |
| 13:05.36 | zenzelezz | catch up with what? |
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| 13:07.55 | Zombie_Will | ah, work |
| 13:07.59 | Zombie_Will | so much work |
| 13:08.16 | Zombie_Will | I run many things, one of which is the Zombie Game Experiment :) |
| 13:09.38 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk, http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2009/07/22 |
| 13:09.43 | Wobin | it's a bit slow to start |
| 13:18.17 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/user/Blindclassic |
| 13:18.20 | Wobin | some pretty awesome videos |
| 13:19.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to say, "sleeping in" until 6 AM is not so awesome |
| 13:25.47 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Staying up until 8:30 AM is quite awesome |
| 13:26.01 | ScytheBlade1 | wrong! |
| 13:26.02 | Shirik | staying up AND writing templates in C++ all night |
| 13:26.05 | Shirik | quite awesome |
| 13:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Insanity |
| 13:30.42 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid win7 going to sleep and preventing my l4d2 preload from finishing |
| 13:31.37 | Shirik | owned |
| 13:31.39 | Shirik | OWNED |
| 13:31.40 | Shirik | in the FACE |
| 13:31.47 | ScytheBlade1 | You need to get to sleep |
| 13:31.48 | ScytheBlade1 | afk |
| 13:32.22 | Shirik | yes I probably do |
| 13:32.28 | Shirik | but I'm trying to follow in Cairenn|afk's footsteps |
| 13:32.33 | Shirik | I learned from the best |
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| 14:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | hrm |
| 14:02.35 | ScytheBlade1 | xbox 360 or new monitors |
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| 14:05.57 | nevcairiel | monitors, imho |
| 14:06.06 | nevcairiel | i want to get a Dell 27" next month |
| 14:08.58 | msoul_ | when you get burning bile you should stay away from raid right? |
| 14:09.04 | Mikk | yes |
| 14:09.09 | Mikk | unless someone is poisoned |
| 14:09.15 | msoul_ | the dude was runnig to us like a sucide bomber |
| 14:09.15 | Mikk | then you might want to try and get to them |
| 14:09.21 | Mikk | haha |
| 14:09.48 | Mikk | yeah if the healers aren't on the ball, one or two guys with fire can wipe a raid |
| 14:09.58 | Mikk | in heroic mode anyway |
| 14:10.05 | msoul_ | yeah heroic mode it was |
| 14:10.10 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm9L60YBj3s |
| 14:10.26 | msoul_ | Is why i hate pugs |
| 14:12.04 | msoul_ | i think i should move to a diff realm as kazzak is going downhill |
| 14:12.18 | Mikk | i ... don't think i'd like pugging heroic |
| 14:12.36 | Mikk | semipug 25s i've done (without wipes even i might add) |
| 14:12.43 | msoul_ | i wouldn't, was bored to death the guilds i used to play for had silly rules regarding loot |
| 14:13.06 | msoul_ | one of them had a rule that says "officers have the right to loot "A" before raiders |
| 14:13.14 | Mikk | er... nice |
| 14:13.16 | msoul_ | i even saved the mail he sent me just to show friends and gag about it |
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| 14:13.50 | msoul_ | the second guild too much drama and to be honest i don't play to get stress about things laughter is what i seek most and ofc raiding |
| 14:13.52 | Mikk | uses epgp with minimum 50% EP and swears by it |
| 14:14.08 | msoul_ | the 3rd guild was friends before anyone else and they disbanded 2 days after i left |
| 14:14.18 | msoul_ | and so guildless again :) |
| 14:16.18 | msoul_ | the FCM from kazzak to another rewalm cannot remember the name |
| 14:16.21 | msoul_ | Hoa something |
| 14:16.48 | Mikk | well if i were you i'd just consider all realms |
| 14:16.56 | Mikk | find a guild that seems right for you |
| 14:17.02 | Mikk | and then just shell up the $ to xfer there |
| 14:17.11 | zenzelezz | agreed |
| 14:17.15 | msoul_ | Yeah i applied for guilds waiting for an answer to move to them |
| 14:17.47 | msoul_ | The main problem is I started last march "DK" I know pretty well about my class I read try etc |
| 14:18.27 | msoul_ | And guilds on kazzak don't know about the rest one of them said "not enough experience" when i asked define experience he answered didn't clear uldu |
| 14:18.41 | foxlit | Wobin: crazy norwegians. |
| 14:21.20 | msoul_ | Mikk: The last guild gave Aesir Edge sword to a hunter were I needed more "was using iron soul" at that time |
| 14:22.44 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/user/vadrum#p/a/u/2/dXKN1j_vrn4 |
| 14:24.04 | Wobin | jesus |
| 14:24.04 | zenzelezz | msoul_: some guilds have different rules; the first guild I joined gave every guild member loot rights before initiates, which was a way to test how loot-hungry the new guys were |
| 14:24.05 | Wobin | 1:40ish |
| 14:24.06 | Mikk | msoul_: that sounds like it's time to move on to me, yes |
| 14:24.15 | foxlit | zenzelezz: sounds like a silly way to do bussiness. |
| 14:24.17 | msoul_ | zenzelezz: Wasn't initiate :) never complained about the loot at all |
| 14:24.32 | foxlit | Prioritizing members over recruits is fine, but the loot data is meaningless. |
| 14:24.34 | msoul_ | i'm saying what they used to do |
| 14:24.34 | zenzelezz | foxlit: it worked, but I agree |
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| 14:25.09 | msoul_ | I didn't get 1 trophy to this day and been doing toc since day one |
| 14:25.11 | Mikk | Well giving a melee stat sword to a hunter over a melee is ummmm |
| 14:25.12 | msoul_ | to give you a picture |
| 14:25.12 | Mikk | Yeah |
| 14:25.15 | Mikk | Stupid? |
| 14:25.32 | msoul_ | I get your point though |
| 14:25.53 | msoul_ | Mikk: It is i cannot call it a test even |
| 14:26.15 | msoul_ | if he gave it to the DK tank who happen to have better than Aesir i'd be fine but a hunter |
| 14:26.52 | msoul_ | firends first it used to be and it wasn't me who said that.. after i left two days later they disbanded and had the chance to chat with couple |
| 14:27.14 | Wobin | rofl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW0hHJFrhrA |
| 14:27.16 | msoul_ | A rogue hit lvl 80 3 weeks later fully equipped from toc10/25 cause he's a "friend" :) |
| 14:27.50 | msoul_ | i personally like the DKP system |
| 14:27.57 | msoul_ | it's fair i'd say |
| 14:28.12 | zenzelezz | "the DKP system" isn't necessarily right |
| 14:28.14 | ScytheBlade1 | And ripe for abuse |
| 14:28.17 | zenzelezz | there are a plethora of them |
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| 14:28.46 | Wobin | zenzelezz, at least the dkp system can be 'equally gamed' =P |
| 14:28.56 | msoul_ | finding a guild with decent rules is a pain in the arse |
| 14:28.58 | Wobin | unlike loot council which can be abused terribly to one way |
| 14:29.19 | msoul_ | they had that too wobin |
| 14:29.23 | zenzelezz | Wobin: every single loot system can be abused |
| 14:29.28 | Wobin | yes |
| 14:29.31 | msoul_ | i didn't get one trophy cause of it |
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| 14:29.47 | Wobin | but some systems can be soley abused by the raid leaders |
| 14:29.52 | msoul_ | most of my equip are craftable ones |
| 14:30.04 | msoul_ | and about to craft the vest razor titanium one |
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| 14:31.50 | msoul_ | i don't do pugs only voa and today tried togc10 and the dude was a suicide bomber with burning bile |
| 14:31.59 | msoul_ | in pugs reserving items is a trend on kazzak |
| 14:32.42 | msoul_ | when ppl were thirsty getting emblems of conq ppl reserve statchel from os |
| 14:33.47 | foxlit | Wish they'd fix the calendar |
| 14:33.59 | msoul_ | I think things will change with the next expansion as guilds would recruit more for guild achievements etc |
| 14:39.15 | msoul_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-D9hcohusg&feature=PlayList&p=831AE24793D7482E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1 |
| 14:39.19 | zenzelezz | something bothering me about DA:O... I'm doing pretty mediocre as a warrior, which is unusual for me in such games... on the other hand I seem to handle the mage, which is also unusual for me o_O |
| 14:39.33 | fl1st4r | little question, in for loop, can i "choose" the number for i ? ( ex: i=1,4,5,8 ?? |
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| 14:39.49 | nevcairiel | huh? |
| 14:39.59 | nevcairiel | for i = start, end, step do |
| 14:40.10 | nevcairiel | where step is optional, defaults to 1 |
| 14:41.02 | fl1st4r | yeah i know that, but i hate to set 2 different number in my while loop to get my table |
| 14:41.19 | nevcairiel | if you want irregular numbers, use a table, like for _, i in pairs({1, 4, 5, 8}) do |
| 14:42.02 | nevcairiel | i think i just don't understand what you want |
| 14:42.33 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:42.38 | fl1st4r | lol yeah i know what i want but my english is very bad, so i don't know how to explain what i need to do |
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| 14:47.01 | zenzelezz | fl1st4r: are you familiar with any other programming languages? |
| 14:47.42 | fl1st4r | yes |
| 14:48.05 | zenzelezz | could you give an example how to do what you want in one of those then? |
| 14:48.22 | fl1st4r | take a look http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127795 |
| 14:50.59 | zenzelezz | how do you know which one of CLASS_x to use? |
| 14:51.15 | amro | use something like map = {1: CLASS_10, 2: CLASS_5}; |
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| 14:51.22 | amro | although I really don't see the point |
| 14:51.44 | amro | it's only 4 lines |
| 14:52.03 | fl1st4r | i have 4 checkbox for tank, 4 for heal, 10 for DPS, i use them in tank,heal and dps :| |
| 14:52.11 | fl1st4r | amro no, 18lines |
| 14:52.44 | amro | then use a map like I said |
| 14:52.59 | amro | why are you using getglobal? |
| 14:53.07 | amro | and it's unnecessary in that case anyway |
| 14:53.20 | amro | CheckTank1:GetName() .. 'Text' == CheckTank1Text |
| 14:54.37 | fl1st4r | k, ill try with map |
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| 15:05.10 | zenzelezz | I think my DA:O team is in serious need of a healer... |
| 15:11.02 | Fisker | i think it's in serious need of optimizations |
| 15:11.14 | zenzelezz | why's that? |
| 15:11.44 | Fisker | after some play loading is horrible |
| 15:11.58 | zenzelezz | didn't notice that, but you may be right |
| 15:24.56 | Wobin | zenzelezz, a healer is a must |
| 15:25.17 | Wobin | unfortunately, I'm of the mindset that if the healer isn't player controlled, I don't trust it to heal me =P |
| 15:25.29 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 15:25.30 | Wobin | so I end up micromanaging the healer |
| 15:25.55 | Wobin | although I have to get out of the habit of just using one of the party in combat |
| 15:26.07 | Wobin | and start pausing/redirecting all the time |
| 15:29.30 | Kalroth | Play without a healer and you have to :P |
| 15:30.04 | Wobin | That ogre boss totally killed me =( |
| 15:30.26 | Wobin | and it only was the first real boss |
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| 15:30.41 | Kalroth | Also I hate it when I pause, switch to another character and then continue combat - two of my party members drop whatever they're doing and run for the selected member > |
| 15:30.43 | Kalroth | < |
| 15:40.50 | Wobin | Kalroth, turn off follow? |
| 15:41.01 | Kalroth | there's a follow option? :P |
| 15:41.17 | Wobin | under your party frame |
| 15:41.18 | Wobin | two buttons |
| 15:41.28 | Kalroth | oh, that move freely thing? |
| 15:41.35 | Wobin | yeah that might do it |
| 15:41.36 | Kalroth | I never trusted them enough to do that :( |
| 15:42.06 | Kalroth | also I had to do a reload once, since one of the characters got stuck on a rock |
| 15:42.14 | Wobin | this is why I prefer mmos =) |
| 15:42.24 | Kalroth | well I don't know if pugs are better :p |
| 15:42.37 | Kalroth | "sry mom calls" |
| 15:42.37 | Wobin | I guess you could call them pugs =) |
| 15:42.43 | Kalroth | "player has gone offline" |
| 15:42.47 | Kalroth | "sry afk" |
| 15:42.56 | Kalroth | "what do you mean by healing?" |
| 15:43.14 | Wobin | well next patch you can vote them off the island =P |
| 15:43.32 | Kalroth | "hay guys first time here what do I do .. oh lol wrong instance lol" |
| 15:44.39 | Kalroth | "why did i die???? u shud haev heeld me! can you res me down here?" *heard in Nexus* |
| 15:45.25 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 15:45.26 | Fisker | my nemesis |
| 15:45.35 | Wobin | who, Shirik? |
| 15:46.58 | Fisker | no |
| 15:46.59 | Fisker | you |
| 15:47.16 | Wobin | Shirik isn't my nemesis |
| 15:47.47 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 15:47.56 | Wobin | =( |
| 15:48.06 | Wobin | You should hate your nemesis instead! |
| 15:50.15 | Zombie_Will | How is everyone? :) |
| 15:50.34 | Fisker | you wouldn't steal a bear |
| 15:56.21 | zenzelezz | lies |
| 16:01.15 | foxlit | A bear wouldn't steal Fisker. |
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| 16:08.51 | Fisker | you wouldn't kill a cop foxlit |
| 16:10.44 | foxlit | I wouldn't steal his helmet, fisker. |
| 16:12.03 | foxlit | How do people actually manage to spell things out with corpses in capital cities? |
| 16:12.17 | nevcairiel | teleport hacks |
| 16:12.27 | nevcairiel | they teleport in mid-air, fall to death |
| 16:12.31 | Fisker | owld |
| 16:12.36 | nevcairiel | get banned by warden instantly |
| 16:12.40 | nevcairiel | but the corpse remains |
| 16:12.52 | foxlit | That seems like a shortcoming. |
| 16:12.53 | Fisker | Doubt it's banned instantly |
| 16:12.58 | foxlit | And an easily addressable one, too. |
| 16:13.39 | Fisker | If they were banned instantly they wouldn't even hit the floor |
| 16:13.58 | Fisker | When i see them first teleport to the spot, then they teleport up in the air, and then they die |
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| 16:16.08 | nevcairiel | well possibly not instantly, but soon after :P |
| 16:19.41 | foxlit | My reasoning is that the server needs to know that they died to know about the corpse. |
| 16:20.07 | foxlit | And it's virtually impossible to die in capital cities. |
| 16:20.22 | nevcairiel | thats where the teleport into mid-air comes in |
| 16:20.30 | foxlit | So at some point the client has to say "Hey, I DIED OVER HERE!" |
| 16:20.33 | nevcairiel | falling damage is always there |
| 16:20.53 | foxlit | Which raises a question of how you actually died |
| 16:21.11 | Zombie_Will | We are working on MMO shirts designs here. |
| 16:21.12 | foxlit | "I fell from mid-air" is a very suspicious reply. |
| 16:21.30 | Zombie_Will | Have some pretty cool ones. :) |
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| 16:28.43 | Fisker | foxlit the server won't have that answer though |
| 16:29.11 | Fisker | Anyways the best solution is to just get rid of corpses completely :P |
| 16:29.52 | zenzelezz | instantaneous combustion |
| 16:30.21 | foxlit | Fisker: if it doesn't, it should. |
| 16:30.35 | foxlit | "Hey I'm dead" is trivially extendable to "Hey, I'm dead because..." |
| 16:31.00 | Fisker | It knows you died to fall damage |
| 16:31.00 | Fisker | But it won't know why you falled |
| 16:31.47 | Aelo | whats the difference between UNIT_DIED and UNIT_DESTROYED in CLE? |
| 16:32.29 | foxlit | maybe vehicles get destroyed? |
| 16:33.06 | Aelo | would UNIT_DIED still have the source/destination GUIDs representing a killing blow? |
| 16:33.24 | foxlit | I don't know. |
| 16:33.35 | foxlit | It could be for siege objects -- walls get destroyed. |
| 16:33.59 | Aelo | np ill see what it outputs, :P |
| 16:35.21 | Aelo | just wondered if i should use that or PARTY_KILL to determine killing blows |
| 16:36.03 | foxlit | In, like, battlegrounds? |
| 16:36.11 | Aelo | or anywhere :) |
| 16:36.59 | Aelo | i say that because it's actually world pvp based :p |
| 16:38.12 | foxlit | You might just get away with checking for overkill damage |
| 17:06.07 | sylvanaar | overkill works pretty well |
| 17:08.09 | Aelo | so i'd nede to use SWING_DAMAGE, RANGE_DAMAGE and SPELL_DAMAGE ? |
| 17:10.45 | Aelo | PARTY_KILL works whilst not in a group, and shows the sourceGUID as the player who killed them |
| 17:10.52 | Aelo | so i guess i'll use that :P |
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| 17:20.39 | AbsolutRayne | Morning |
| 17:21.44 | mitchnull | that too |
| 17:24.06 | AbsolutRayne | Why is Titanium Ore 260g a stack on my server. -_- |
| 17:27.56 | NightHawkTheSane | thats all? |
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| 17:28.23 | AbsolutRayne | What, is that low compared to elsewhere? |
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| 17:29.05 | NightHawkTheSane | it's been upwards of 300-350g/stack on mine |
| 17:29.13 | AbsolutRayne | -_- |
| 17:29.27 | AbsolutRayne | For what purpose? The proc rate to get an epic from a stack is far too low |
| 17:29.38 | NightHawkTheSane | that doesn't stop people from trying |
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| 17:35.40 | Aelo | dam, turns out PARTY_KILL doesnt work :< |
| 17:37.19 | AbsolutRayne | I want it to be Sunday night. >:[ |
| 17:39.05 | AbsolutRayne | loves his Venture Bros fix |
| 17:44.44 | Gnarfoz | AbsolutRayne: that's about half the price it's on mine btw |
| 17:57.32 | NightHawkTheSane | woo! green proto drake! |
| 17:57.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i can stop buying those stupid eggs! |
| 18:07.04 | Thunder_Child | AbsolutRayne, it's 300g on my server but mostly it's used for titansteel |
| 18:07.34 | DWSR | anyone know if there is a [swimmable] macro condition? |
| 18:07.47 | DWSR | or [swimming]? |
| 18:07.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i think there's a [swimming] |
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| 18:13.34 | DWSR | How do I do "if swimming then /cast Sea Turtle, else /rdm random" |
| 18:15.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't think there was a swimming macro conditional |
| 18:15.46 | DWSR | apparently there is. |
| 18:16.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think you can do that precisely in a macro |
| 18:16.14 | DWSR | NHTS: Well, there is IsSwimming() |
| 18:16.24 | NightHawkTheSane | you can do /cast [swimming] Sea Turtle; someothermount |
| 18:16.34 | DWSR | Mount Random Mount doesn't support swimming. |
| 18:16.49 | DWSR | So if you can suggest an addon that does, I would be more than happy to try it out. |
| 18:17.05 | NightHawkTheSane | like i said, i dont think you can do that precisely in a macro ;) |
| 18:17.19 | DWSR | /stopmacro [swimming, mounted] <-- Is this if swimming AND mounted or swimming OR mounted? |
| 18:17.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i've been meaning to add that functionality to stableboy, i've just been lazy. and i dont have a sea turtle |
| 18:17.27 | NightHawkTheSane | and. |
| 18:18.02 | DWSR | mkay. |
| 18:19.08 | DWSR | http://wowi.pastey.net/127805, how's this look for a macro? |
| 18:19.22 | DWSR | Just mount my sea turtle if I'm swimming in the water, else a random mount from mrm. |
| 18:19.23 | Fisker | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:19.40 | NightHawkTheSane | that might work |
| 18:20.54 | DWSR | if you need someone with a sea turtle to test Stableboy for swimming, I can certainly do it |
| 18:21.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll keep that in mind when i get around to doing it :) |
| 18:21.48 | DWSR | although, can't you cast ground mounts in water? |
| 18:21.55 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 18:25.06 | Thunder_Child | "Remember that Walmart ad featuring a $100 Xbox? Well, Amazon is matching the offer, so you can skip the crowds. " |
| 18:25.09 | Thunder_Child | thats nice |
| 18:27.20 | Arrowmaster | no they arent |
| 18:27.33 | Arrowmaster | or atleast a check of their xbox 360 console store says they arent |
| 18:27.46 | NightHawkTheSane | http://gizmodo.com/5399310/dealzmodo-100-xbox-360-at-amazon-more-electronics-deals-all-day-long |
| 18:28.01 | NightHawkTheSane | afaik, they were, and will again |
| 18:28.08 | NightHawkTheSane | and it's a 360 arcade anyway, so meh |
| 18:30.18 | Arrowmaster | yeah, its a great deal for those that already have 360 that are broken and out of warrenty though |
| 18:30.56 | Trela | That comes to $100, correct? |
| 18:31.35 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 18:38.35 | Arrowmaster | so what all should i pickup on tuesday? thinking mw2, borderlands, and dragon age |
| 18:39.54 | Arrowmaster | if i do that will put me at 6 new games i havent played while im setting up my new 360 |
| 18:41.54 | zenzelezz | setting up an Xbox 360 shouldn't take until Tuesday |
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| 18:52.10 | foxlit | "Torchlight Tip: Although you cn't see them run and fetch, imaginary pets also retrieve dropped items..." |
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| 19:08.04 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, only get DA:O if you dont mind stupid npc allies |
| 19:08.38 | cbreak | they can't be worse than Pugs |
| 19:08.44 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: 250gb xbox doesnt come out till tuesday |
| 19:08.47 | Thunder_Child | ~= |
| 19:08.57 | Adys | Threely uses the shortest possible domain name: 3.ly - it's only 3 letters/characters short! |
| 19:08.59 | Adys | Math fail |
| 19:10.27 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: well what do you need a 250 GB X-box for unless you buy a lot of games to install on it? |
| 19:11.08 | Arrowmaster | ive had a 20gb for 4 years, im tired of having to delete every fucking demo right after i play it |
| 19:11.15 | Arrowmaster | i want the 250gb |
| 19:12.52 | cbreak | change the HD? |
| 19:13.09 | cbreak | a 1.5 TB should cost less than 150$ by now |
| 19:13.31 | zenzelezz | there are 1.5 TB HDDs for the X-box? |
| 19:14.00 | Thunder_Child | you should be able to stuck whatever you want in there |
| 19:14.16 | Thunder_Child | s/stuck/stick/ |
| 19:14.32 | Thunder_Child | though it depends on how much your time is worth |
| 19:14.35 | cbreak | what kind of hard disks does it use? |
| 19:14.40 | cbreak | IDE? |
| 19:14.49 | Thunder_Child | and the annoyance factor of changing it |
| 19:14.56 | Arrowmaster | 2.5" sata |
| 19:15.38 | Arrowmaster | but you cant really change it, if you do you have to write an image from a legit drive of the same size |
| 19:16.17 | Arrowmaster | and even then its probably detectable, and MS recently just cracked down on the unlicensed memory cards |
| 19:16.22 | cbreak | they haven't reverse engineered that yet? |
| 19:16.30 | Arrowmaster | they cant |
| 19:16.34 | cbreak | disapointing |
| 19:16.49 | cbreak | even apple allows you to change hard disks and memory... :P |
| 19:17.00 | ScytheBlade1 | apple sells |
| 19:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | "computers" |
| 19:17.08 | ScytheBlade1 | the xbox is not a "computer" |
| 19:17.13 | cbreak | microsoft apparently sells hard disks :) |
| 19:17.44 | Thunder_Child | no ScytheBlade1, apple sells "creative imaging devices" |
| 19:17.53 | ScytheBlade1 | perhaps |
| 19:18.02 | Arrowmaster | MS are fucking assholes about memory, they locked out the unlicensed memory cards because they allowed you to easily access the contents from a computer so you could hack and cheat |
| 19:19.57 | Thunder_Child | lol http://gizmodo.com/5398271/10-terrible-tips-for-longer-battery-life |
| 19:20.10 | Thunder_Child | #2 and 9 are the best |
| 19:25.52 | clever | Thunder_Child: dell has a horid 'fix' for there video card problems |
| 19:26.04 | clever | Thunder_Child: its a bios patch to lock the cpu fan on 100% |
| 19:26.37 | Thunder_Child | clever, did i miss a conversation topic when i wasnt looking? |
| 19:27.15 | clever | na, i was just giving a random related comment |
| 19:27.28 | Thunder_Child | related to what? |
| 19:27.31 | clever | the video chip in the laptop i have cracked because it was constantly heating and cooling |
| 19:27.44 | clever | the 'fix' is to keep the cpu fan on 24/7, which then kills battery life |
| 19:28.42 | cbreak | now... that's stupid |
| 19:28.50 | clever | yeah |
| 19:28.56 | cbreak | just don't install the fix and then let it get waranty repaired |
| 19:29.18 | clever | the warranty has already replaced the whole damn mobo once |
| 19:40.08 | Adys | hey Shirik|AFK |
| 19:40.10 | Adys | Im an idiot |
| 19:40.19 | Adys | import itertools; itertools.count(1) |
| 19:40.21 | Adys | = infinite list |
| 19:41.24 | Adys | man |
| 19:41.29 | Adys | itertools is one of the best python modules |
| 19:42.39 | zenzelezz | what does it do? |
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| 19:42.52 | nevcairiel | probider iterators |
| 19:42.57 | nevcairiel | provide* |
| 19:43.02 | nevcairiel | wtf happend there |
| 19:43.20 | Adys | a bunch of iterator functions |
| 19:43.23 | Adys | http://docs.python.org/library/itertools.html |
| 19:44.21 | Adys | >>> list(itertools.dropwhile(lambda x: x<5, [1,4,6,4,1])) |
| 19:44.21 | Adys | [6, 4, 1] |
| 19:44.24 | Adys | thats full of win |
| 19:46.04 | malikeye | did power auras recently break? I have fresh Addon and WTF folders, and I can't get it to trigger on buffs |
| 19:46.11 | cbreak | how's that better than haskel? |
| 19:46.50 | Adys | its better because its better elsewhere |
| 19:46.52 | Adys | anyhow |
| 19:47.29 | nevcairiel | python is better because its easier to understand =P |
| 19:47.39 | Adys | [21:47:29] <nevcairiel> python is better |
| 19:47.43 | Adys | thats all there is |
| 19:59.35 | mitchnull | I'm not much of a fan of python. and horrid code is hard to understand in python, too |
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| 20:17.26 | Adys | mitchnull: horrid code is hard to understand in any language |
| 20:18.02 | Adys | thats like saying md5 is harder to read than sha1 or something |
| 20:19.47 | Dagmar | waits for someone to yell about it being less secure |
| 20:21.22 | Shirik | WobWork o.o |
| 20:21.42 | Shirik | Hey Adys |
| 20:21.44 | Shirik | I have no idea what that does |
| 20:21.58 | Shirik | If you didn't use python, you would be smarter imo |
| 20:22.56 | nevcairiel | feeds Shirik to a python |
| 20:25.09 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:25.11 | Shirik | nevcairiel |
| 20:25.18 | Shirik | we were having such good times as gentoo buddies |
| 20:25.21 | Shirik | why do you hate me |
| 20:25.40 | d3MMoNuL | bah |
| 20:25.57 | nevcairiel | portage is written in python |
| 20:25.59 | nevcairiel | nuf said |
| 20:25.59 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:26.09 | Shirik | lol true |
| 20:26.27 | Shirik | wasn't there a replacement for portage? |
| 20:26.41 | Bruners | paludis |
| 20:26.45 | Shirik | yes that |
| 20:26.49 | Bruners | its win |
| 20:27.22 | Shirik | Last login: Sat Nov 7 15:26:56 2009 from 122.100.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com |
| 20:27.22 | Shirik | Advice is a dangerous gift; be cautious about giving and receiving it. |
| 20:27.26 | Shirik | nice |
| 20:27.36 | nevcairiel | it conflicts with some of the newer ebuild APIs, and fails when resolving blockers, i don't see a reason to use it |
| 20:27.45 | Adys | hey nevcairiel |
| 20:27.51 | Adys | whats the simplest way to split ["a", "b", "c", "d", "e"] into (["a", "b"], ["c", "d"], ["e"])? |
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| 20:29.53 | smoke__ | is there a way to put a border on a backdrop? |
| 20:30.16 | smoke__ | for some reason SetBackdropBorderColor(0, 0, 0) isnt giving me a black outline around my backdrop |
| 20:30.37 | smoke__ | my inset is set to -1 |
| 20:30.44 | nevcairiel | Adys: you want a tuple with 2 element lists? o.O |
| 20:31.09 | Adys | heres my problem |
| 20:31.09 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/3841/100-dungeon-raid-emblems/ |
| 20:31.31 | Adys | Im rewriting the tooltips so they dont use the bulky template language |
| 20:31.39 | Adys | but they got this nice cycle |
| 20:31.51 | Adys | which lets me do {% cycle "<tr>" "" %}<td>{{criteria|url}}</td>{% cycle "" "</tr>" %} |
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| 20:33.00 | Adys | so instead what I'm doing is; I iterate through the criteria, make them into a single list of HtmlTags |
| 20:33.28 | Adys | and then I split them into packs of 2 at most and put them into a table |
| 20:33.40 | Adys | but I've no idea how to split them |
| 20:33.48 | Adys | without some ugly for loop that is |
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| 20:34.51 | Adys | the answer to your question is; I want an iterable containing (1-2)-element iterables |
| 20:36.13 | nevcairiel | zip(a[::2], a[1::2]) (where a is the list) does that, sort of, it just ignores the last element if its a odd number <.< |
| 20:36.36 | Adys | oh win |
| 20:36.44 | Adys | I thought of using steps but not in a zip |
| 20:37.18 | nevcairiel | well just with the odd-number limitation |
| 20:37.50 | mitchnull | should be easy to fix by adding a fake "last" if #a is odd |
| 20:37.59 | zenzelezz | you could try steps in a rar |
| 20:38.04 | Adys | itertools.zip_longest |
| 20:38.43 | nevcairiel | list(itertools.izip_longest(a[::2], a[1::2], fillvalue=0)) |
| 20:38.44 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 20:38.49 | nevcairiel | but only since 2.6 |
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| 20:38.59 | Adys | and 2.6 is full of win |
| 20:39.02 | Adys | so full of win that i use it |
| 20:39.34 | zenzelezz | isn't there a 3? Or am I confusing things |
| 20:39.34 | Shirik | why doesn't portage keep the base config file, so you can do a three-way merge instead of a two-way merge? |
| 20:39.43 | Shirik | etc-update is so annoying for simple changes |
| 20:39.51 | zenzelezz | Shirik: because three-ways only lead to jealousy and bad stuff |
| 20:39.54 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: there is, but its still considered pretty "unstable", and is not widely used |
| 20:39.57 | Adys | zenzelezz: yes, but 3.0 is not backwards compatible so projects are slow to move |
| 20:40.02 | zenzelezz | oh |
| 20:40.05 | zenzelezz | interestig |
| 20:40.06 | zenzelezz | +n |
| 20:40.08 | Adys | and yeah its not entirely an upgrade |
| 20:40.12 | Adys | 3.1 will be better |
| 20:40.19 | nevcairiel | isnt 3.1 out? |
| 20:40.26 | nevcairiel | gentoo forced it on me |
| 20:40.44 | nevcairiel | luckily it installes 2.6 and 3.1 at the same time |
| 20:40.45 | nevcairiel | so its still good |
| 20:40.47 | Adys | Python 3.1 final was released on June 27th, 2009. |
| 20:40.48 | Adys | Oo |
| 20:41.09 | zenzelezz | in essence, nevcairiel is running pythong 5.7 |
| 20:41.15 | zenzelezz | -g |
| 20:41.17 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 20:41.30 | Stanzilla | py-thong |
| 20:41.31 | nevcairiel | its a slotted install, i could install 2.5 and 2.4 as well |
| 20:41.31 | Adys | and I have both 3.0 and 2.6 on my comp |
| 20:41.32 | zenzelezz | still can't shake the "...ong" typo |
| 20:41.34 | nevcairiel | just for the fun of it |
| 20:41.43 | zenzelezz | Stanzilla: I did this all the time with Athlon too :( |
| 20:41.48 | Stanzilla | ^^ |
| 20:42.17 | Adys | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 20:42.17 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.20 | Adys | tee hee |
| 20:42.29 | nevcairiel | I'm still reluctant to move |
| 20:42.33 | zenzelezz | ... I read that as "animal" |
| 20:42.35 | nevcairiel | mod_wsgi doesnt work with python3k yet |
| 20:42.40 | Adys | Ill move when django does |
| 20:42.51 | Adys | meaning, some time before the next century, maybe |
| 20:43.08 | Adys | these fuckers are backwards compatible up to 2.3 |
| 20:43.12 | Adys | 2.2 even |
| 20:43.16 | Adys | sick shit |
| 20:43.17 | nevcairiel | oi |
| 20:44.02 | Adys | but wait |
| 20:44.08 | Adys | that means 2.7 is out? |
| 20:44.14 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:44.18 | Adys | Release:2.7a0 |
| 20:44.18 | Adys | Date:November 06, 2009 |
| 20:44.19 | nevcairiel | 2.6.4 is latest |
| 20:44.19 | Adys | fuckers |
| 20:44.27 | nevcairiel | a as in alpha? |
| 20:44.32 | Adys | prolly |
| 20:44.48 | Adys | http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0373/ |
| 20:44.52 | Adys | oh they're syncing with 3.2 |
| 20:45.09 | Adys | 2.7/3.2 final 2010-06-26 |
| 20:45.09 | nevcairiel | 2.7/3.2 final 2010-06-26 |
| 20:45.13 | nevcairiel | ha |
| 20:45.16 | Adys | suck it up :/ |
| 20:45.20 | nevcairiel | a long time |
| 20:45.45 | Adys | problem is |
| 20:45.58 | Adys | i cant really switch to 3k until i rewrite all of my tools |
| 20:46.02 | Adys | and thats a fuckload of tools.. |
| 20:46.28 | nevcairiel | 2.x lifecycle isnt ending any time soon |
| 20:46.35 | nevcairiel | so unless you need/want something in 3k |
| 20:47.23 | Adys | division for one :/ |
| 20:47.32 | Adys | atm I use __future__'s division in half of my apps |
| 20:50.24 | nevcairiel | man i hate designing protocols, i always forget things and have to re-organize the whole thing afterwards |
| 20:50.56 | Shirik | I love designing protocols |
| 20:50.57 | Shirik | it's fun |
| 20:51.05 | Shirik | rule #1: Always design with expansion in mind |
| 20:51.08 | Iriel | I'm with Shirik on this one |
| 20:51.12 | Iriel | it's fun |
| 20:51.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Stefzor (n=goldiron@dhcp-077-250-183-035.chello.nl) |
| 20:51.30 | Stefzor | Hey |
| 20:51.36 | Iriel | Also design with the 'emit strict, consume as relaxed as safe' principle in mind. |
| 20:51.38 | Stefzor | anybody can help me out with making a macro? |
| 20:51.55 | Stefzor | Im wondering if theres any talk to npc / take quest / complete quest trick for macros? |
| 20:52.08 | zenzelezz | don't think so |
| 20:52.15 | nevcairiel | i really need to install a whiteboard on one of my walls, i can think alot better then i draw stuff and talk to myself .P |
| 20:52.32 | Arrowmaster | Stefzor: no |
| 20:52.39 | Shirik | whiteboards are fun |
| 20:52.45 | Adys | nevcairiel: |
| 20:52.45 | Adys | table = [[_k for _k in t if _k] for t in izip_longest(cells[::2], cells[1::2])] |
| 20:52.45 | Adys | for row in table: |
| 20:52.45 | Adys | ret.append(HtmlTag(children=row, tag="tr")) |
| 20:52.57 | nevcairiel | Shirik: ban Stefzor, he spammed me with some hack thing in query, probably mirc exploit :P |
| 20:53.01 | Adys | Shirik: kickban Stefzor |
| 20:53.01 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o+b Stefzor *!*=goldiron@dhcp-077-250-183-035.chello.nl] by Shirik |
| 20:53.01 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Stefzor!n=mpdelbuo@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (goodbye) |
| 20:53.03 | Shirik | way ahead of you |
| 20:53.40 | Adys | [22:53:00] <Adys> Shirik: kickban Stefzor |
| 20:53.40 | Adys | [22:53:01] * Shirik sets ban on *!*=goldiron@dhcp-077-250-183-035.chello.nl |
| 20:53.42 | Adys | has a bot |
| 20:53.48 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 20:53.51 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-b+b *!*=goldiron@dhcp-077-250-183-035.chello.nl *!*@dhcp-077-250-183-035.chello.nl] by Shirik |
| 20:55.15 | Shirik | lies |
| 20:55.17 | Shirik | I was first |
| 20:55.23 | Shirik | (15:52:50)  -› Shirik (-o+b) Stefzor *!*=goldiron@dhcp-077-250-183-035.chello.nl (F6: unban) |
| 20:55.23 | Shirik | (15:52:50) (Adys) Shirik: kickban Stefzor |
| 20:55.23 | Shirik | (15:52:51)  -› Stefzor was kicked by Shirik (goodbye) |
| 20:55.30 | nevcairiel | shh i was before that |
| 20:55.34 | Shirik | nevcairiel was |
| 20:55.48 | nevcairiel | and i even typed a long sentence! |
| 20:55.59 | Arrowmaster | no you werent Shirik, you were last |
| 20:56.07 | Shirik | STFU I WAS FIRST |
| 20:56.09 | nevcairiel | yeah he was last here too |
| 20:56.11 | Shirik | well, second |
| 20:56.13 | Arrowmaster | full 1 second delay |
| 20:56.23 | Arrowmaster | behind adys |
| 20:56.31 | Adys | hurrayas |
| 20:56.34 | Adys | hurrays |
| 20:56.35 | Shirik | What I don't get |
| 20:56.37 | Shirik | why he sent that to me |
| 20:56.52 | nevcairiel | you obviously want ops in #wowuidev |
| 20:56.58 | Adys | no Shirik |
| 20:57.00 | Adys | what I dont get |
| 20:57.06 | Adys | is why you did this |
| 20:57.08 | Adys | [22:53:01] * Shirik removes channel operator status from Stefzor |
| 20:57.17 | nevcairiel | probably some silly script |
| 20:57.22 | Shirik | It's automatic when I do a ban |
| 20:57.36 | zenzelezz | Shirik bans channel operators a lot you see |
| 20:57.54 | Shirik | because there is a delay between ban and kick, that's the best way to ensure something bad doesn't happen. For example.... |
| 20:57.58 | nevcairiel | its kidna funny that freenode lets you change modes that are not even set |
| 20:58.14 | nevcairiel | not every ircd allows that |
| 20:58.16 | Dagmar | Shirik: Just tell them that unless they were in the EFNet Wars, they just won't understand |
| 20:58.20 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 20:58.21 | Shirik | !quote MODE #wowuidev +b Shirik!*@* |
| 20:58.21 | batbot | Shirik, mode has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 20:58.22 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+b Shirik!*@*] by Shiibot |
| 20:58.22 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-ob Shiibot Shirik!*@*] by Shirik |
| 20:58.22 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Shiibot!n=mpdelbuo@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (Not in my house!) |
| 20:58.34 | Shirik | That's the kind of bad stuff that could happen |
| 20:58.36 | nevcairiel | byebye shiibot |
| 20:58.51 | nevcairiel | You could extend that to msg chanserv to re-op you |
| 20:59.01 | Shirik | I didn't write it |
| 20:59.20 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:59.22 | Shirik | I see what you mean |
| 20:59.27 | Shirik | but point is, there's a delay out to chanserv |
| 20:59.30 | Dagmar | One de-ops before banning and kicking because there are race conditions involved. |
| 20:59.32 | Shirik | think parallel |
| 20:59.50 | Dagmar | If you kick someone, but no ban, they can immediately rejoin. |
| 20:59.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Shiibot (n=Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam) |
| 20:59.54 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shiibot] by ChanServ |
| 20:59.57 | nevcairiel | yeah i know, you can send the deop and ban in the same command |
| 21:00.00 | Dagmar | This leads to a kick-rejoin-kick-rejoin flood problem. |
| 21:00.05 | Arrowmaster | or on networks with proper chanserv's one just has chanserv do it for them |
| 21:00.06 | Shirik | !reload |
| 21:00.06 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 21:00.27 | Dagmar | If you just ban someone, they can unban themselves, you kick, they _rejoin_, same as before with slightly more preamble |
| 21:00.27 | nevcairiel | yeah i'm missing some features in freenodes chanserv |
| 21:00.29 | Adys | oh |
| 21:00.32 | nevcairiel | gamesurge has nice services |
| 21:00.40 | nevcairiel | or used to have, havent been there for years |
| 21:00.40 | Shirik | Q is cool |
| 21:00.41 | Arrowmaster | it does |
| 21:00.42 | Adys | how do I change a parent's attribute in css? |
| 21:00.57 | Arrowmaster | i used to be on gamesurge staff |
| 21:01.07 | Shirik | Q and L |
| 21:01.16 | Arrowmaster | so to me everything is lacking compared to gamesurge |
| 21:01.20 | Adys | <foo><div class="bar"/></foo> #bar ???foo { width: 100px; } |
| 21:01.20 | Dagmar | "spectacular" is a good word to describe what results when 20 bots are warring it out in a channel |
| 21:01.21 | nevcairiel | L is gone |
| 21:01.25 | Shirik | L is gone? |
| 21:01.27 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:01.35 | nevcairiel | Q is doing all now |
| 21:01.44 | Shirik | Q was cooler anyway |
| 21:01.46 | Arrowmaster | i dont like Q |
| 21:02.04 | Arrowmaster | just because they have to be different for no reason and complicate everybodys scripts |
| 21:02.10 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:02.19 | Shirik | truth ^ |
| 21:02.25 | Adys | yeah |
| 21:02.26 | Shirik | my scripts have a special panel just for Q |
| 21:02.28 | nevcairiel | Adys: i dont think there is a "parent" selector |
| 21:02.37 | zenzelezz | what about Undernet's services? Haven't been there for years and years |
| 21:02.37 | Adys | css 3? |
| 21:03.00 | nevcairiel | css usually just goes down in the tree for selection |
| 21:03.02 | nevcairiel | not upwards |
| 21:03.17 | Adys | nevcairiel: yes but |
| 21:03.26 | Dagmar | Services or not, the proper thing for a user's client to do is dop, then ban, then kick |
| 21:03.29 | Adys | "bar, child of foo; style foo" |
| 21:03.59 | zenzelezz | foo #bar {} ? |
| 21:04.05 | Adys | no |
| 21:04.08 | zenzelezz | er, . |
| 21:04.10 | nevcairiel | that styles #bar which is child of foo |
| 21:04.10 | Adys | I want to style foo |
| 21:04.18 | nevcairiel | but he wants to style foo, which has a child #bar |
| 21:04.23 | nevcairiel | which i don't think you can do |
| 21:04.29 | zenzelezz | oh yeah, I read it the wrong way around |
| 21:04.48 | zenzelezz | if that is possible, it's beyond my knowledge |
| 21:05.46 | nevcairiel | you could JS it |
| 21:05.47 | nevcairiel | but thats ugly |
| 21:05.54 | Adys | no js |
| 21:06.04 | nevcairiel | css can't do it, afaik |
| 21:06.17 | cbreak | you can do it with classes |
| 21:06.52 | Adys | oh |
| 21:06.53 | Adys | I know |
| 21:07.39 | Adys | gonna change the .tooltip style to .tooltip>* |
| 21:08.20 | nevcairiel | does that actually change anything? |
| 21:08.26 | nevcairiel | well except not styling the container itself anymore |
| 21:08.34 | Shirik | Adys, how do I switch bzr to what I will call "git mode" |
| 21:08.35 | Adys | no, but then I can modify the child instead of the container |
| 21:08.40 | Shirik | without tossing my directory |
| 21:08.55 | Adys | Shirik: bzr change-workflow --mode git |
| 21:09.01 | Shirik | .... |
| 21:09.07 | Shirik | if that's seriously the correct command |
| 21:09.28 | Adys | Ive nfc what you call git mode |
| 21:09.30 | nevcairiel | do people really use bzr much? i've rarely seen it, and never had to use for anything |
| 21:09.31 | Arrowmaster | maybe you should switch to git |
| 21:09.41 | Adys | nevcairiel: its great |
| 21:09.42 | amro | Shirik, you just use the git verbs I think |
| 21:09.44 | Shirik | Adys: Local commits, etc. |
| 21:09.55 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i think ubuntu uses it |
| 21:09.58 | Adys | Shirik: your commits are local if its a branch |
| 21:10.00 | amro | Shirik: bzr ci --local |
| 21:10.04 | Shirik | and not 500 conflicts EVERY TIME I UPDATE |
| 21:10.07 | Adys | no |
| 21:10.10 | Adys | dont commit --local |
| 21:10.14 | Shirik | well yeah I've been doing ci --local |
| 21:10.22 | Adys | which is why you've been getting conflicts |
| 21:10.27 | Shirik | ... |
| 21:10.28 | Shirik | ok |
| 21:10.32 | Shirik | why? |
| 21:10.46 | Adys | because local commits create a new local branch |
| 21:10.56 | Adys | which has to be merged to the target one |
| 21:10.58 | cbreak | that's bad? git has them all the time |
| 21:11.00 | Shirik | I'm not sure why that should create a conflict though |
| 21:11.11 | Adys | local commits are automatic in bzr |
| 21:11.19 | Shirik | they seem to be remote to me :P |
| 21:11.25 | cbreak | there should only be conflicts if both parties changed something at the same place |
| 21:11.28 | Adys | toss your dir, do a clean bzr branch bzr+ssh://.../foo/ |
| 21:11.34 | Shirik | cbreak: I conflicted with myself |
| 21:11.38 | Shirik | which I think is pretty awesome |
| 21:11.40 | Adys | bzr ci -m "Lol local commit" |
| 21:11.42 | cbreak | oh! |
| 21:11.44 | Adys | bzr ci -m "Moar" |
| 21:11.45 | Shirik | I said without tossing my directory :( |
| 21:11.45 | Adys | bzr push |
| 21:11.47 | cbreak | multiple personality disorder? |
| 21:12.20 | Adys | Shirik: its possible but since Im the only one who's not mentally deprived I've never had the occasion to require that command |
| 21:12.21 | Shirik | can I just create a branch? Why do local commits not work? |
| 21:12.37 | Adys | ok |
| 21:12.38 | Adys | basically |
| 21:12.41 | Shirik | I mean, ok, it makes a branch, that makes sense |
| 21:12.45 | Adys | when you branch off a target branch |
| 21:12.54 | Adys | you are running on the same branch, its not a new one |
| 21:13.05 | Adys | you ONLY get conflicts if the branches diverge (bad pull timing) |
| 21:13.11 | Adys | ( i sound like my raid leader) |
| 21:13.29 | Adys | when you do ci --local |
| 21:13.36 | amro | no you don't |
| 21:13.38 | amro | he's funny. |
| 21:13.39 | Adys | you create a completely new branch locally |
| 21:13.46 | Adys | my ex raid leader |
| 21:14.23 | Adys | so bazrically "local commits" are more of a "local workflow" |
| 21:14.26 | Adys | wtf |
| 21:14.28 | Adys | basically |
| 21:14.31 | Shirik | lol. |
| 21:14.52 | Adys | http://bazaar-vcs.org/Workflows |
| 21:15.06 | Adys | what you want is Partner workflow |
| 21:15.09 | Arrowmaster | why the hell do people complain that git is too complex? |
| 21:15.21 | Adys | what you're doing is Centralized w/ local |
| 21:15.39 | Adys | Arrowmaster: git is too complex for small projects |
| 21:15.48 | Adys | its fine for large scale stuff |
| 21:16.07 | Shirik | right, centralized with local |
| 21:16.14 | Shirik | what I'm missing is why I'm getting these conflicts though |
| 21:16.35 | Arrowmaster | because bzr doesnt have something like rebase? |
| 21:16.40 | Shirik | But like |
| 21:16.48 | Shirik | I make a change to foo, then commit local |
| 21:16.54 | Shirik | Then I make another change, commit local |
| 21:16.59 | Shirik | then I update (pull) |
| 21:17.02 | Adys | Arrowmaster: i brought up a bzr wizard idea recently |
| 21:17.09 | Adys | you do bzr whatnow |
| 21:17.12 | Shirik | and all of a sudden, foo has conflicts |
| 21:17.24 | Shirik | and then I check the logs, and nobody changed foo except me in my local commits! |
| 21:17.26 | Adys | it gives hints on what you can do in a specific workflow |
| 21:17.56 | cbreak | "Hint: You can now use git for a smoother user experience" |
| 21:18.22 | Arrowmaster | seems like what you want is equivalent to 'git pull --rebase' |
| 21:18.49 | nevcairiel | even without rebase git handles merges gracefully, you just get merge commits all over the place |
| 21:19.21 | Shirik | yeah, I'm not seeing why this should be a conflict |
| 21:19.28 | Adys | neither am I |
| 21:19.31 | Adys | and you know what |
| 21:19.42 | Adys | you two are the only guys ive ever heard have this problem |
| 21:19.54 | Shirik | it has to be a fundamental misunderstanding of how it works |
| 21:19.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah but if you have local commits that probably wont to upstream if you dont use rebase then its a merge everytime you pull and the visualization of it starts looking weird |
| 21:20.31 | nevcairiel | not too weird |
| 21:20.41 | nevcairiel | you just get two parallel trees with merge intersections |
| 21:20.46 | amro | see |
| 21:20.48 | Arrowmaster | if the upstream isnt linear it starts looking really weird |
| 21:20.48 | amro | all that |
| 21:20.53 | amro | I don't get the point, I just want to code |
| 21:21.03 | Adys | ive never |
| 21:21.04 | Adys | ever |
| 21:21.08 | amro | I just want commit and update |
| 21:21.11 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (i=smcn@67.166.76.157) |
| 21:21.22 | Adys | ever had a problem with bzr that couldn't be just solved with "bzr revert" |
| 21:21.31 | Shirik | uh |
| 21:21.36 | Shirik | except I don't want to lose work >< |
| 21:21.40 | amro | yeah. |
| 21:21.43 | Adys | then dont |
| 21:21.46 | Adys | bzr diff > mypatch |
| 21:21.48 | Adys | bzr revert |
| 21:21.52 | Shirik | nah |
| 21:21.53 | Adys | patch -p0 < mypatch |
| 21:21.54 | Shirik | I have tortoisemerge |
| 21:21.55 | Adys | bzr ci |
| 21:21.56 | Adys | bzr push |
| 21:21.58 | amro | that's just ugly |
| 21:21.59 | Shirik | handling conflicts isn't a problem |
| 21:22.07 | Shirik | it's just why are they there in the first place |
| 21:22.13 | Pneumatus | people use bazaar outside of ubuntu /etc? :o |
| 21:22.13 | Adys | who cares if its ugly, you just want to code |
| 21:22.14 | Adys | and so do i |
| 21:22.15 | Shirik | usually a conflict is a red flag to me |
| 21:22.21 | amro | exactly Adys |
| 21:22.25 | amro | I just want to code, not type 10 commands |
| 21:22.45 | Shirik | Aww, Dropbox misses me |
| 21:22.46 | Adys | same here, I only know 4 commands in bzr |
| 21:22.54 | Shirik | Hi Matthew, |
| 21:22.54 | Shirik | We noticed that you signed up for Dropbox a while ago. Recently your Dropbox has been feeling kind of lonely :-( |
| 21:23.04 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:23.05 | Adys | bzr ci, bzr push, bzr pull, bzr revert |
| 21:25.33 | Shirik | ok I'll just toss the directory :P |
| 21:25.42 | Adys | i told you to do that over 10 hours ago |
| 21:25.43 | Shirik | wait |
| 21:25.45 | Shirik | what if I branch now? |
| 21:25.54 | Adys | try |
| 21:25.56 | Adys | bzr branch . |
| 21:26.30 | Adys | point being |
| 21:26.39 | Shirik | bzr: ERROR: Target directory "." already exists. |
| 21:26.40 | amro | I thought you only knew 4 commands |
| 21:26.40 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:26.44 | Adys | when I first installed bzr, it took me 5 minutes to learn it entirely |
| 21:26.52 | Adys | Shirik: just toss it |
| 21:26.57 | Shirik | it took me 5 minutes to break it entirely :D |
| 21:27.01 | amro | Shirik: try tortoisebzr |
| 21:27.07 | Shirik | I am |
| 21:27.10 | Shirik | actually |
| 21:27.11 | Adys | see |
| 21:27.12 | Shirik | it works poorly for me |
| 21:27.13 | Adys | this is your problem |
| 21:27.15 | Adys | RIGHT HERE |
| 21:27.18 | Shirik | heyh ey hey |
| 21:27.21 | Shirik | I've been using cli! |
| 21:27.21 | Adys | you guys aren't using the cli |
| 21:27.38 | Shirik | tortoisebzr seems to keep changing its mind on what options to offer me |
| 21:28.00 | Adys | and Im actually pretty sure all those shitty problems that keep popping up are from tortoisebzr |
| 21:28.10 | Adys | shitty gui programs that try to do huge command lines |
| 21:28.15 | amro | Shirik: hit parent directory and navigate back in |
| 21:28.20 | amro | Adys: no |
| 21:28.27 | amro | Adys: what are "all" these problems anyway? |
| 21:28.35 | Adys | yours and shirik's |
| 21:28.37 | Adys | they're the same |
| 21:28.43 | amro | no, they're not |
| 21:28.50 | amro | I was unable to commit |
| 21:28.54 | amro | he has conflicts |
| 21:29.01 | Adys | what did it say for you? |
| 21:29.11 | Shirik | One of the great things about Bazaar is its adaptability to different ways of working. Workflows can be changed, mixed and matched as required. |
| 21:29.11 | amro | I don't recall, it was a few days ago |
| 21:29.15 | amro | regardless, stop making assumptions |
| 21:29.17 | Shirik | BUT IT DOESN'T TELL ME HOW |
| 21:29.44 | Adys | ok |
| 21:29.50 | Adys | lets help shirik ok |
| 21:29.55 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:30.06 | Shirik | I'll just toss the directory |
| 21:30.06 | Arrowmaster | uninstall bzr, install git |
| 21:30.13 | amro | Shirik: that's exactly the issue, it doesn't tell you "don't do x" |
| 21:30.15 | Shirik | I just think there should be a better solution. I'm sure there is, I just don't know it |
| 21:30.21 | Adys | Shirik: bzr remove-tree |
| 21:30.22 | Adys | try that |
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| 21:30.30 | amro | Arrowmaster: someone already made that joke |
| 21:30.32 | amro | nobody laughed |
| 21:30.54 | Arrowmaster | amro: because the truth is never a joking matter..... |
| 21:31.13 | Adys | Arrowmaster: as i said before, git is great |
| 21:31.18 | Adys | but not for small projects |
| 21:31.37 | Shirik | inc "like the Linux Kernel" |
| 21:31.42 | Adys | oh |
| 21:31.45 | Adys | Im a total idiot |
| 21:31.48 | Adys | Shirik: bzr unbind |
| 21:32.09 | Shirik | that sounds right |
| 21:32.13 | Shirik | I saw that command elsewhere |
| 21:32.21 | Adys | on the workflow page i linked |
| 21:32.23 | Shirik | wait, on the same workflow |
| 21:32.24 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:32.33 | Shirik | but it said local commit should be effectively the same thing, no? |
| 21:33.05 | Adys | local commits != commit --local |
| 21:33.14 | Shirik | o_o |
| 21:33.20 | Adys | i explained this >< |
| 21:33.32 | Adys | commit --local creates a new branch |
| 21:33.39 | Shirik | I was probably busy bouncing off the walls |
| 21:34.01 | Shirik | doesn't unbind make a branch? |
| 21:34.06 | Adys | yes |
| 21:34.09 | Adys | thats what you want |
| 21:34.12 | *** part/#wowuidev mitchnull (n=mitchnul@catv3EC944A1.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 21:34.17 | ZorbaBeta | personally I'm using git on all my projects, including small ones |
| 21:34.18 | Shirik | but then what's the difference o.o |
| 21:34.21 | Adys | ok |
| 21:34.24 | Adys | in git terms |
| 21:34.27 | Adys | thats a clone |
| 21:34.29 | Shirik | I don't know git |
| 21:34.30 | Shirik | bad idea |
| 21:34.32 | Adys | foff |
| 21:34.38 | Shirik | but I know hg, so probably close enough |
| 21:34.39 | Adys | its a remote branch |
| 21:34.39 | Shirik | I know clone |
| 21:34.49 | Adys | commit --local creates a local branch |
| 21:34.53 | Adys | bzr branch creates a remote branch |
| 21:35.28 | Adys | the remote branch is running the same fingerprint as your local one unless it diverges |
| 21:35.35 | Adys | the local branch is different |
| 21:35.42 | Adys | you dont want local |
| 21:35.43 | Adys | local bad |
| 21:35.45 | Adys | local mean |
| 21:35.56 | Adys | local touches in unspeakable places |
| 21:36.10 | cbreak | so you can't work locally only? without net that is? |
| 21:36.10 | Adys | done bouncing? |
| 21:36.15 | Adys | you can |
| 21:36.24 | Adys | bzr branch lets you do just that |
| 21:36.24 | Adys | BUT |
| 21:36.40 | Adys | its simple to merge with the remote one |
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| 21:37.23 | amro | I'm going to stick to update/commit |
| 21:37.34 | Adys | precisely |
| 21:37.45 | Adys | you dont need to know any other command :/ |
| 21:37.52 | amro | you do |
| 21:37.53 | amro | bzr add |
| 21:38.17 | Adys | ill sum them up for you |
| 21:38.40 | Adys | version-info, add, rm, ci, pull, push, merge, revert, uncommit |
| 21:38.43 | amro | no need, just tell me how to tag verts in blender |
| 21:38.53 | Adys | bzr tag --blender verts |
| 21:39.18 | Shirik | tag verts in blender? |
| 21:39.19 | Shirik | whaht |
| 21:39.28 | Shirik | I like to puree |
| 21:39.51 | amro | #blender is useless |
| 21:39.59 | cbreak | what I use a lot in git is diff, status, commit and log in addition to those |
| 21:40.40 | Shirik | I think my problem was I was working on a decentralized workflow |
| 21:40.46 | Shirik | but bzr had me working on a centralized workflow |
| 21:41.32 | Shirik | or maybe |
| 21:41.43 | Shirik | I ran bzr commit --local multiple times |
| 21:41.47 | Shirik | does that create several branches |
| 21:41.48 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:42.04 | Adys | afaik it commits on the local branch if its available |
| 21:42.05 | Adys | but idk |
| 21:42.07 | Shirik | the log suggests it does |
| 21:42.41 | Shirik | or, do I have to merge when I update? |
| 21:43.00 | Shirik | my changes to one of the file seem to have come from two different bases, which might have been the cause of conflict |
| 21:43.03 | Adys | only if the branches diverged |
| 21:43.19 | Shirik | here's what my log looks like |
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| 21:44.34 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/31f11a450549611f358868376c9e8504.png |
| 21:44.46 | Shirik | despite the fact that all of those changes were to the same files |
| 21:44.54 | Adys | that looks like a git log. |
| 21:45.00 | Shirik | but they seem to come from both 43 and 38 |
| 21:45.42 | Shirik | the green and blue should be vertically oriented, they appear to be different branches |
| 21:46.19 | Shirik | oh well |
| 21:46.24 | Shirik | if I have another problem I'll investigate :P |
| 21:46.39 | amro | if you made local commits you need to merge before updating |
| 21:47.16 | Adys | not always |
| 21:47.28 | Adys | bzr branch |
| 21:47.33 | Adys | bzr ci; bzr ci; bzr ci; |
| 21:47.43 | Adys | if the branch hasn't changed, you can do bzr push |
| 21:47.50 | Adys | remote one that is |
| 21:48.10 | Adys | if it has, but the changes are harmless for you. you can do bzr pull |
| 21:48.18 | Adys | if it has and you get conflicts, you need to bzr merge |
| 21:48.27 | Shirik | awit |
| 21:48.28 | Shirik | wait |
| 21:48.34 | Shirik | if I get conflicts, I do merge? |
| 21:48.44 | Adys | yes, but it tells you to do that anyway |
| 21:48.57 | Shirik | "conflict" to me means "I give up, you fix it" |
| 21:49.08 | Adys | Yes |
| 21:49.09 | Shirik | that's not the case here? |
| 21:49.13 | Adys | it is |
| 21:50.23 | Shirik | I never executed merge once |
| 21:50.25 | Thunder_Child | WG needs a mailbox |
| 21:50.28 | Shirik | that could be my flaw |
| 21:50.45 | cbreak | <joke>maybe you got the french version</joke> |
| 21:52.42 | Shirik | btw yes it looks like a git log, Adys |
| 21:52.49 | Shirik | see what magical things can happen when you use GUI tools? |
| 21:53.00 | Shirik | This isn't the 1980s |
| 21:53.01 | amro | owned |
| 21:53.18 | Adys | am I the one using gui tools? |
| 21:53.18 | Adys | nop |
| 21:53.24 | Adys | am I the one with tons of problem? |
| 21:53.26 | Adys | .. nope |
| 21:53.33 | Shirik | you are the one without a pretty log! |
| 21:54.07 | Arrowmaster | git log --pretty |
| 21:54.40 | Shirik | omg there really is a --pretty |
| 21:54.53 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 21:55.10 | Shirik | Pretty-print the contents of the commit logs in a given format, where <format> can be one of oneline, short, medium, full, fuller, email, raw and format:<string>. When omitted, the format defaults to medium. |
| 21:56.06 | Adys | Shirik: http://dpaste.com/117595/ |
| 21:56.52 | Shirik | I don't see any balls representing branches and merges |
| 21:57.03 | Adys | [23:56:52] <@Shirik> I don't see any balls |
| 21:57.10 | Shirik | also, that is invalid CSS |
| 21:57.12 | Shirik | fyi |
| 21:57.21 | Adys | [23:56:52] <@Shirik> I don't see any balls |
| 21:57.33 | Shirik | you don't have any balls |
| 21:57.41 | Shirik | I have more balls than I know what to do with |
| 21:57.59 | Adys | bzr has --gnu-changelog, --line, --long, --short |
| 21:59.05 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/117601/ |
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| 22:10.40 | Shirik | tackles Seerah |
| 22:10.46 | Seerah | tickles Shirik |
| 22:12.24 | Trela | SUCCESS! |
| 22:12.49 | Trela | My room mate is trying to use Linux commands on Windows now. The conversion is complete. |
| 22:13.49 | Thunder_Child | it works to some degree |
| 22:15.28 | Shirik | has ls, grep, cat, et all on Windows |
| 22:21.20 | Iriel | hms, I dont enjoy having to set up direct internet connected hosts. |
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| 22:39.42 | foxlit | "The most epic World of Warcraft tournament ever will go down at MLG Anaheim, November 6-8, and you can watch every minute of it in glorious high quality video! Upgrade from the regular stream with the MLG WoW Weekend Pass, and level-up your viewing experience! " |
| 22:40.03 | foxlit | Now you too can pay us for the privilege of p2p streaming. |
| 22:45.09 | Bruners | haste: so much drama! |
| 22:45.19 | Adys | amro |
| 22:47.33 | haste | Bruners: so do not want |
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| 23:40.10 | foxlit | Is there a third mirror timer? [Breath and Fatigue are the first two; the function suggests that there are 3] |
| 23:43.41 | Pneumatus | exhaustion, breath, death and feign death |
| 23:43.56 | Pneumatus | death+fd are probably the same |
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| 23:47.11 | foxlit | Mhm, thanks. Death is odd, though |
| 23:50.43 | Pneumatus | well, its probably feign death, but DEATH is an index of the MirrorTimerColors table as well as FEIGNDEATH |
| 23:51.46 | foxlit | There are only three indices, though |
| 23:51.54 | foxlit | So either something shares, or something is deprecated. |
| 23:52.52 | Pneumatus | DEATH and FEIGNDEATH use the same color, also |
| 23:57.04 | Pneumatus | MirrorTimer_Show uses arg1 as the lookup for the color, so i'd guess your 3 timers would be whatever the first arg of the MIRROR_TIMER_START event are |
| 23:57.14 | Pneumatus | !api MIRROR_TIMER_START |
| 23:57.14 | lua_bot | MIRROR_TIMER_START: Fires when a special countdown timer starts (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/MIRROR_TIMER_START) |
| 23:59.58 | foxlit | Hah, they removed DEATH |
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