| 00:02.16 | Thunder_Child | "@Shirik: ScytheBlade1: I just don't think" <-- fixdedededed |
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| 00:08.56 | Jerub | yay, my progress quest dude is at level 17 :) |
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| 01:12.47 | cogwheel | Shirik: that's what you get for trusting someone else's Googleage |
| 01:12.53 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:13.01 | cogwheel | 16:33 <@Shirik> visual paradigm which you showed me |
| 01:13.01 | cogwheel | 16:33 <@Shirik> doesn't understand C++ at all |
| 01:13.04 | Shirik | rofl |
| 01:13.19 | Shirik | it is really doing some messed up crap in this design I'm making :P |
| 01:13.29 | Shirik | I especially like how it insists that :: is a syntax error |
| 01:13.40 | cogwheel | ha |
| 01:14.00 | cogwheel | wonder if their for-pay product has fixes for crap like that >< |
| 01:14.01 | Shirik | I have to go through like 5 steps to convince it to use std::string |
| 01:16.05 | cogwheel | ~lart youtube |
| 01:16.06 | purl | slaps youtube around with a large trout |
| 01:16.31 | cogwheel | is in denial that they're owned by google |
| 01:16.40 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:16.44 | Shirik | what's wrong with google? |
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| 01:17.48 | cogwheel | nothing. that's my point |
| 01:18.29 | batrick_ | think my linode's net died |
| 01:18.31 | batrick_ | that's a first |
| 01:20.21 | cogwheel | huh... flying in old world might actually convince me to take up a profession on my DK... |
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| 01:25.58 | Shirik | you know |
| 01:26.01 | Shirik | something really bugs me about Java |
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| 01:26.23 | Shirik | What exactly is the purpose of making a class "final" ? |
| 01:26.43 | Tuller | c#? |
| 01:26.53 | Tuller | err wait, that's sealed I think |
| 01:27.10 | Shirik | same difference |
| 01:27.11 | Shirik | why? |
| 01:27.17 | Tuller | either way, it prevents people from extending the class |
| 01:27.21 | Shirik | what could you possibly gain from that though |
| 01:27.36 | Shirik | If you really want nobody to have it, then make a private constructor |
| 01:27.40 | batrick | I think it has something to do with security |
| 01:28.33 | Shirik | cogwheel, I think I just finished the design |
| 01:28.36 | Shirik | you would love it I think |
| 01:29.01 | Tuller | per the first google result, a compiler can sometimes perform optimizations |
| 01:29.26 | Shirik | hm, I guess that's true |
| 01:29.31 | Shirik | but I have a better idea |
| 01:29.31 | Tuller | otherwise, its just something there to help strictly define the meaning of the class |
| 01:29.37 | Shirik | DO WHAT C++ DOES |
| 01:29.42 | Tuller | evil? |
| 01:29.45 | Shirik | I don't understand the logic behind making every single function virtual |
| 01:29.51 | Shirik | you lose so much performance from that |
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| 01:30.19 | batrick | Deep Freeze: This spell now deals a large amount of damage to targets permanently immune to stuns. <-- That's for PVE right? |
| 01:30.21 | Shirik | Part of the problem with Java is literally every function is virtual |
| 01:30.28 | Shirik | as a result, the VM has to do a lookup for the function every time |
| 01:30.32 | Shirik | because it can't be sure of the type |
| 01:30.44 | Shirik | on the contrary, the C++ compiler can do a lot of optimizations because it KNOWS what type things will be |
| 01:30.58 | Shirik | and where a function cannot possibly be different than the base |
| 01:32.18 | Shirik | cogwheel: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/14f4e5e8ee26160746e3de7dbabc53f2.jpg |
| 01:32.20 | Shirik | so beautifuil |
| 01:32.40 | batrick | pukes |
| 01:33.00 | Tuller | I still need to train myself to do actual design |
| 01:33.46 | Shirik | I'm not sure if I like ParameterizedQuery's constructor being vararg though |
| 01:34.07 | Shirik | I was thinking of doing something like |
| 01:34.19 | Shirik | ParameterizedQuery("SELECT foo FROM bar WHERE a=?", typeid(int)) |
| 01:34.27 | Shirik | or |
| 01:34.38 | Shirik | ParameterizedQuery("SELECT foo FROM bar WHERE a=? AND b=?", typeid(int), typeid(std::string)) |
| 01:41.24 | kd3 | hokay. time to play with f12... |
| 01:52.36 | cogwheel | just discovered how much easier it is to eat noodle soup with chop sticks |
| 01:57.34 | NightHawkTheSane | what's spellhit needed for +2? 6%? |
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| 02:12.19 | kd3 | yay anaconda tracebacks |
| 02:12.43 | ScytheBlade1 | that was fast |
| 02:14.07 | cogwheel | Shirik|AFK: looks like you're trying to cram reflection into C++ :P |
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| 02:15.24 | cogwheel | omghax |
| 02:15.48 | cogwheel | i can stay flying in dalaran by standing on the well |
| 02:15.58 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 02:16.08 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks again |
| 02:16.59 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: is your mage broken? |
| 02:17.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 02:17.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Kraps |
| 02:17.13 | purl | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, Kraps, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 02:17.14 | cogwheel | which? the me in dalaran? or the staying on my flying machine? |
| 02:17.26 | ScytheBlade1 | The you in.. WoW |
| 02:17.41 | cogwheel | mrs cog missed me... |
| 02:17.46 | mikma | hahaha, purl milked kraps |
| 02:17.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a reason to be playing; people GAVE ME GAMECARDS AGAINST MY WILL |
| 02:17.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 02:17.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay that is reason enough |
| 02:18.12 | cogwheel | and the feeling was slightly mutual ;) |
| 02:18.14 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:18.18 | Kraps | WHAT THE HELL MAN |
| 02:18.48 | cogwheel | Kraps: purl's female |
| 02:19.12 | ScytheBlade1 | actually as long as you don't dip too low over dalaran |
| 02:19.15 | ScytheBlade1 | You can just fly there now |
| 02:19.22 | Kraps | so... shouldn't she milk herself? |
| 02:19.36 | cogwheel | Kraps: take it metaphorically and go take a shower |
| 02:19.43 | cogwheel | :P |
| 02:19.53 | Kraps | :p |
| 02:19.55 | mikma | kraps: you need to see movie "road trip" |
| 02:19.58 | Aqua | ~wowalert |
| 02:19.59 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 02:20.11 | mikma | kraps: after that you'll know how to milk a man |
| 02:20.19 | Aqua | damn our server is completely offline |
| 02:21.07 | mikma | kraps: and you'll also understand why purl put gloves on |
| 02:23.16 | Kraps | mikma: you know, i think i'm better off not knowing |
| 02:23.42 | cogwheel | Shirik|AFK: turn ParameterSqlTokenFactory upside down and put it and its descendants underneath the *parametertokens, imo |
| 02:24.46 | kd3 | whee; https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498408 |
| 02:24.54 | ScytheBlade1 | that was fast |
| 02:25.02 | cogwheel | and put all that query stuff to the left of parameterized query |
| 02:25.32 | cogwheel | wtf... "Not enough storage is available to process this command. .... Requested 2843615 bytes of memory" |
| 02:25.35 | cogwheel | ^^ WoW |
| 02:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | driver issue iirc |
| 02:26.58 | cogwheel | it was already using 1.5 |
| 02:27.14 | cogwheel | needs another pair of 2gb sticks |
| 02:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | good thing RAM is cheap |
| 02:27.43 | cogwheel | I'm cheaper atm, unfortunately... 16yos aren't... |
| 02:27.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:29.51 | Arrowmaster | that could be taking out of context in delightful ways |
| 02:30.01 | cogwheel | i'm at 6, so at least i'm taking decent advantage of 64-bit :) |
| 02:30.13 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 02:30.15 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 02:30.44 | cogwheel | WobWork: c-c-c-combo breaker? |
| 02:33.00 | Shirik | cogwheel: You're right, reflection is a bit of a problem |
| 02:33.10 | Shirik | or lack thereof |
| 02:33.21 | Shirik | However, I also tend to think that when reflection is the solution, you're asking the wrong question |
| 02:33.52 | Shirik | and with regards to "turn it upside down" that's just a looks thing instead of an actual design change? |
| 02:34.04 | Aqua | so whats it mean when only your server is offline... |
| 02:34.09 | Aqua | and its been offline for 30 minutes |
| 02:35.56 | cogwheel | Shirik: re: looks, yes |
| 02:36.11 | Shirik | Aqua: That you are no longer authorized to play |
| 02:36.17 | Shirik | and they are kindly asking you to gtfo |
| 02:36.46 | cogwheel | ~lart Shirik |
| 02:36.46 | purl | flings poo at Shirik |
| 02:40.52 | Aqua | well shit |
| 02:40.58 | Aqua | time to go find a new hobby |
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| 02:57.12 | Fisker | Shirik !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:57.52 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 03:03.06 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI4JLa0hbUw |
| 03:03.52 | Sesshu | This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. |
| 03:03.55 | Sesshu | hm |
| 03:04.06 | Sesshu | title please |
| 03:04.20 | Kraps | Owl City - Fireflies |
| 03:09.36 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:09.40 | Fisker | i'm so happy Shirik |
| 03:11.52 | Jerub | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large owl |
| 03:11.57 | Fisker | slaps Jerub around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:12.04 | Fisker | i got windows 7! |
| 03:12.07 | Jerub | oooh, fish feast! |
| 03:13.32 | Kraps | whats impressive is that this is one guy |
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| 03:18.02 | Sesshu | gn8 guys |
| 03:18.08 | Sesshu | :) |
| 03:18.55 | Jerub | gnate? |
| 03:19.06 | Jerub | gneight? |
| 03:19.14 | Sesshu | -.- |
| 03:19.29 | Sesshu | good night |
| 03:19.33 | Sesshu | ! |
| 03:22.57 | Sesshu | huh can't find on wikipedia |
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| 03:23.07 | DWSR | hey all |
| 03:23.15 | Jerub | don't worry m8. |
| 03:23.38 | Sesshu | seems to be realy unknown |
| 03:23.39 | Sesshu | hm |
| 03:23.42 | Sesshu | ok bb |
| 03:23.43 | Sesshu | ^^ |
| 03:23.48 | Sesshu | hehe |
| 03:28.04 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:30.15 | Fisker | wtf |
| 03:30.20 | Fisker | someone invisble just traded me something |
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| 03:34.38 | Thunder_Child | it helps if you open your eyes Fisker |
| 03:35.06 | Fisker | naw Thunder_Child |
| 03:38.07 | Kraps | it was a unicorn |
| 03:38.25 | Fisker | maybe Kraps |
| 03:38.29 | Kraps | can a unicorn win the triple crown? |
| 03:38.29 | Fisker | an invisible unicorn |
| 03:39.25 | Kraps | oh right |
| 03:44.46 | NightHawkTheSane | http://i.imgur.com/SzRNK.jpg |
| 03:49.19 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: i would say i love you but i reserve that for women |
| 03:49.37 | Jerub | anyone here an expert on kitty dps? |
| 03:49.40 | Fisker | you're the hero this channel needs |
| 03:50.32 | Fisker | stupid tricks |
| 03:51.08 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: that's awesome. |
| 03:53.57 | DWSR | NHTS: :D |
| 03:54.14 | Fisker | i hate you DWSR |
| 03:54.24 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
| 03:54.27 | DWSR | Love you too. :D |
| 03:55.10 | DWSR | love the 4chan one, tbh. |
| 03:57.38 | Shirik | is that really what I look like when I'm on DA :( |
| 03:58.15 | Shirik | I'm hawt |
| 03:59.54 | Jerub | i'm just trying to figure out if I've done something horrible with my gemming |
| 04:01.29 | Shirik | old but just found |
| 04:01.30 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYcF_xX2DE8 |
| 04:01.32 | Shirik | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?forumId=10023&sid=1&topicId=12454665647&pageNo=1 |
| 04:01.39 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, from what I understand, you're basically gemming either arp or agi as a cat |
| 04:02.08 | ZorbaBeta | actually maybe it's arp or ap. man I forget. anyway, it's not hit or expertise or any of the other things ;) |
| 04:02.32 | Jerub | okay. |
| 04:02.45 | Shirik | arp |
| 04:03.01 | Shirik | best protocol ever |
| 04:03.07 | Jerub | well, at the moment i've thrown +113 into agi, and +20 into ArP |
| 04:04.09 | ZorbaBeta | in general, you want to pick one and put everything into that. there are, in all practicality, no situations where you want to split up your gems, besides stat caps which cat essentially does not have |
| 04:04.16 | ZorbaBeta | (barring meta gem requirements) |
| 04:05.12 | Jerub | should i basically ignore gem colours other than meta gem requirements? |
| 04:05.20 | Jerub | all the T9.5 stuff is bullshit yellow gem slots. |
| 04:05.26 | Jerub | er T9 |
| 04:06.16 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 04:06.19 | Fisker | you know what i fucking got? |
| 04:06.28 | Jerub | siphilus? |
| 04:06.36 | Fisker | no :( |
| 04:06.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub, ZorbaBeta: afaik, its arp if you're between certain arp thresholds from gear, agi otherwise |
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| 04:07.03 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, I think i need to /not/ do ArP because I don't have any of the massive ArP items. |
| 04:07.05 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, in virtually all cases, yes. |
| 04:07.08 | Jerub | but i might be nearing the threshhold. |
| 04:07.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: yeah, i know the min-threashold to start socketing arp is like 400ish? |
| 04:07.30 | ZorbaBeta | pretty much the entire gem system is a giant red herring. Blizzard tried very hard to make it interesting |
| 04:07.31 | ZorbaBeta | and they failed. |
| 04:07.40 | ZorbaBeta | you figure out which gem is the best, and you fill your gear with that. |
| 04:07.41 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: I'm at 260 now i think. |
| 04:07.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: yeah, i'd check ej to be sure, but im pretty sure at that point just stick with agi |
| 04:08.22 | ZorbaBeta | and yeah, I believe you're at the point where you just fill the entire shebang with agi. |
| 04:08.25 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/photoshop_8_30-error-messages-you-never-want-to-see_p28#slide |
| 04:08.36 | Jerub | what's ej? |
| 04:08.40 | Jerub | oh, elitist jerks. |
| 04:09.26 | DWSR | http://www.cracked.com/photoshop_8_30-error-messages-you-never-want-to-see_p24#slide |
| 04:10.08 | Jerub | I think the next upgrade I desperately need is getting better ilvl 226 bracers, my current ones are the rogue pvp ones. |
| 04:10.22 | Jerub | er, s/bracers/boots/ |
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| 04:11.09 | Jerub | all the armory websites are crap for kitties :/ |
| 04:12.37 | ZorbaBeta | s/for kitties // |
| 04:13.56 | Fisker | why would anyone make sites for cats? |
| 04:14.02 | Fisker | They don't use computers |
| 04:14.02 | Fisker | duh |
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| 04:17.28 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/photoshop_87_if-historys-greatest-minds-lived-in-modern-world_p6#slide |
| 04:18.10 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:18.46 | Kraps | shut up |
| 04:20.06 | Fisker | i'm not saying anything Kraps |
| 04:20.43 | Kraps | you leave me no choice but to link this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sarYH0z948 |
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| 04:25.40 | Fisker | naw Kraps |
| 04:25.41 | Fisker | don't do it |
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| 04:27.19 | DWSR | Kraps: :D |
| 04:28.52 | Kraps | dang, m's on omegle dont like talking to other m's |
| 04:35.40 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: re: http://i.imgur.com/SzRNK.jpg i first looked at it zoomed out and thought "the book the second guy is holding is probably dawkins" ... sure enough >< |
| 04:36.43 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 04:37.52 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:38.34 | Shirik | lol Kraps |
| 04:38.51 | Kraps | Shirik: hmm? |
| 04:39.00 | Shirik | history's minds in today's world |
| 04:39.15 | Kraps | ah |
| 04:42.08 | Kraps | night fellas |
| 04:43.10 | Kraps | cogwheel: i didnt quite get the digg vs reddit guys |
| 04:45.35 | Fisker | digg is for immature people, reddit not? |
| 04:45.59 | Jerub | the point is that digg and reddit are basically the same website with entirely different communities. |
| 04:46.19 | DWSR | ^^ |
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| 04:58.29 | Shirik | LMAO |
| 04:58.32 | Shirik | I love grading papers |
| 04:58.34 | Shirik | and at the top I see |
| 04:58.39 | Shirik | "I hope you get a laugh out of this" |
| 04:59.48 | Fisker | rages |
| 05:03.41 | NightHawkTheSane | licd is.. disturbing |
| 05:04.37 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you will really love graiding papers when you see at the top "(386) 729-3319" |
| 05:04.43 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:04.51 | Shirik | wait wtf |
| 05:04.54 | Shirik | why 386 |
| 05:05.01 | Thunder_Child | why not? |
| 05:05.05 | Shirik | what number is this |
| 05:05.12 | Thunder_Child | i made it up |
| 05:05.22 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 05:05.30 | Shirik | 386 is the area code I'm in... |
| 05:05.35 | Thunder_Child | i know |
| 05:05.41 | Thunder_Child | i made up the second part |
| 05:05.43 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:05.47 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:05.48 | Shirik | how do you know... |
| 05:05.55 | Thunder_Child | i looked up daytona beach area code |
| 05:06.16 | Fisker | i slapped you Shirik |
| 05:06.17 | Thunder_Child | it's not like i have them momrized |
| 05:06.21 | Thunder_Child | memorized |
| 05:06.35 | Shirik | are you sure? |
| 05:06.50 | Jerub | i have your mom morized |
| 05:06.59 | Thunder_Child | quite sure Shirik |
| 05:07.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: he's stalking ou |
| 05:07.09 | Thunder_Child | well i have mine memorized |
| 05:07.09 | NightHawkTheSane | you* |
| 05:07.45 | NightHawkTheSane | thats actually HIS number, which you'll discover about four papers down. |
| 05:09.37 | Thunder_Child | except i dont live in florida |
| 05:09.44 | NightHawkTheSane | so you SAY. |
| 05:09.52 | Thunder_Child | ping me |
| 05:10.07 | NightHawkTheSane | psh. proxies, bouncers, thats hardly proof. |
| 05:10.13 | Shirik | no |
| 05:17.40 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nations_morons_march_on_washington |
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| 05:24.41 | bluspacecow | i need a regular expression that says "give me the last space character in a sentence" |
| 05:25.07 | Jerub | bluspacecow: isn't that answer ' ' |
| 05:25.15 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 05:25.18 | bluspacecow | idk |
| 05:25.33 | Arrowmaster | real regular expression or lua pattern? |
| 05:26.23 | bluspacecow | nah regular expersson |
| 05:26.36 | Arrowmaster | "( ).*?$" |
| 05:26.51 | WobWork | or more to the point |
| 05:26.57 | WobWork | what are you going to do with the space |
| 05:27.02 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 05:27.03 | WobWork | that will always return the space? |
| 05:27.09 | bluspacecow | i have this renaming utility |
| 05:27.22 | bluspacecow | and a bunch of folders with an extra space at teh end of the folder name |
| 05:27.28 | bluspacecow | i want to take that space out |
| 05:27.45 | Arrowmaster | oh you want to just remove trailing spaces |
| 05:27.48 | bluspacecow | it says it kind work with a regular experession |
| 05:27.53 | bluspacecow | *nod* *nod* |
| 05:28.30 | Arrowmaster | rename "s/ *$//" * |
| 05:28.42 | Arrowmaster | assuming you are on a system with the rename command |
| 05:28.55 | bluspacecow | i has sed ? |
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| 05:30.37 | ZorbaBeta | hey someone on my server just killed algalon-25 |
| 05:30.40 | ZorbaBeta | realm first |
| 05:30.48 | Shirik | Q: Why is it important that we debounce switches? A: To debounce them |
| 05:33.34 | WobWork | bluspacecow: I'd probably use vim to generate a list of rename commandline calls |
| 05:33.55 | Arrowmaster | WobWork: why do that when the rename command exists |
| 05:34.02 | Jerub | "Then there's Algalon the Raid Destroyer. He feeds off of your tears." |
| 05:34.08 | Jerub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Algalon_the_Raid_Destroyer |
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| 05:46.23 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: depends on what OS and if the rename command allows for regexp |
| 05:46.38 | Arrowmaster | rename ONLY uses regexp |
| 05:46.54 | WobWork | and by rename I include 'mv' |
| 05:47.14 | WobWork | or move |
| 05:47.17 | WobWork | or whatever |
| 05:47.32 | Arrowmaster | rename is completely different from mv |
| 05:47.47 | WobWork | but move functionally does what rename offers |
| 05:47.52 | WobWork | ie, DOS |
| 05:48.02 | bluspacecow | for reference here guys im on OS X using Bash |
| 05:48.09 | WobWork | oh in that case |
| 05:48.16 | WobWork | it's an entirely different kettle of fish |
| 05:48.20 | bluspacecow | release |
| 05:48.21 | WobWork | if you remember enough shell programming =) |
| 05:48.37 | bluspacecow | GNU bash, version 3.2.17(1)-release (powerpc-apple-darwin9.0) |
| 05:48.51 | bluspacecow | i has a mv command and sed command |
| 05:48.58 | WobWork | I'd still probably end up making a whole list of move commands, cause it'd be faster for me than trying to remember enough scripting |
| 05:49.09 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow: does it have rename? |
| 05:49.27 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 05:49.29 | NightHawkTheSane | (no, osx does not include rename) |
| 05:49.31 | bluspacecow | but it has sed |
| 05:49.49 | bluspacecow | i can sed the foldername to a newfoldername var and use that with mv |
| 05:49.59 | NightHawkTheSane | it probably wouldn't be hard to write a shell script to do it |
| 05:50.06 | NightHawkTheSane | or, even simpler, a perl script |
| 05:50.22 | bluspacecow | i no cans speak perl |
| 05:50.32 | Arrowmaster | rename is perl it seems |
| 05:50.43 | Duman | what are you trying to do? |
| 05:50.45 | Duman | scrolls back |
| 05:50.54 | Arrowmaster | install perl and you should get the rename command i guess |
| 05:51.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: osx comes with perl installed by default, afaik, still no rename, where are you seeing it? |
| 05:51.39 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: im not on osx but its standard on linux systems |
| 05:51.41 | bluspacecow | Duman : remove a trailing space from a set of folders...not all of them have the trailing space |
| 05:51.56 | Arrowmaster | it might be prename |
| 05:52.12 | NightHawkTheSane | bluspacecow: actually, since you're on osx, there's a handful of good gui utilities |
| 05:52.16 | Arrowmaster | seems rename is just a symlink to prename |
| 05:52.17 | bluspacecow | which prename comes back with nothing |
| 05:52.28 | Arrowmaster | i blame osx |
| 05:52.34 | bluspacecow | meh why do that when I can write exactly what I want it to do |
| 05:52.37 | NightHawkTheSane | bluspacecow: look up Name Mangler |
| 05:52.42 | bluspacecow | .... |
| 05:52.45 | bluspacecow | thats what i tired |
| 05:52.57 | bluspacecow | couldn't get the regular expr or custom experssion right |
| 05:53.10 | NightHawkTheSane | well then you're doing it wrong. ;) |
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| 05:53.37 | Arrowmaster | http://www.tin.org/bin/man.cgi?section=1&topic=RENAME |
| 05:53.42 | bluspacecow | i know right |
| 05:53.45 | Arrowmaster | use linux, then you get nice commands like that |
| 05:53.48 | cogwheel | I get spam... "the guide to a womans vaginanylon shorts for the sims 2" |
| 05:55.51 | NightHawkTheSane | bluspacecow: try using (.*)\s+ as the find field, and $1 as the replace field, in Name Mangler |
| 05:55.51 | NightHawkTheSane | that should remove any trailing spaces from the file names |
| 05:56.45 | Duman | blu: no perl on the box, really? |
| 05:56.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: eh, osx has good options to do the same thing, its not that one is better, its just knowing how to use the tools |
| 05:58.23 | bluspacecow | Duman : which perl = /usr/bin/perl |
| 05:58.27 | Duman | wellthen |
| 05:58.29 | Duman | bash-2.05b$ mkdir "one " two "three " "four " |
| 05:58.31 | Duman | and then |
| 05:58.34 | Duman | bash-2.05b$ perl -e 'opendir D,".";@d=grep {/.*\s+$/ && -d $_ } readdir(D);closedir(D);foreach (@d) {printf("[%s]\n", $_)}' |
| 05:58.34 | Duman | [one ] |
| 05:58.34 | Duman | [three ] |
| 05:58.34 | Duman | [four ] |
| 05:58.37 | Duman | so you can just use that |
| 05:58.43 | Duman | and change the prinf to rename it |
| 05:58.44 | bluspacecow | ah i see |
| 05:59.20 | Duman | I can give you the exact one-liner if you want |
| 05:59.27 | Duman | btw sorry for the paste, I can pastey it |
| 06:03.48 | NightHawkTheSane | http://qwantz.livejournal.com/112122.html |
| 06:03.51 | Fisker | you wouldn't steal a car |
| 06:04.15 | Hjalte | Juhu Fisker, du gør mig våd. |
| 06:04.56 | Fisker | smider Hjalte |
| 06:04.56 | Fisker | ud |
| 06:05.01 | Fisker | you wouldn't steal the show Hjalte |
| 06:14.15 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 06:14.19 | bluspacecow | holy crap Duman |
| 06:14.23 | bluspacecow | that script is fast ! |
| 06:14.32 | bluspacecow | i needs to L2Perl ! |
| 06:15.38 | Torhal | ...fail. I trick-or-treated with a full inventory. Still got the debuff. |
| 06:15.43 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:15.58 | bluspacecow | i forgot to loot my thing you get from the pumpkins |
| 06:16.30 | Fisker | blame Blizzard Torhal |
| 06:16.39 | Torhal | Fisker: I do. |
| 06:17.18 | Torhal | I also blame them for not making the Hallowed Helm trigger the achievement when you WEAR IT, as opposed to being the one to LOOT it. I accidentally rolled greed instead of need, but got the higher roll so it was traded to me. Didmn't work |
| 06:17.43 | Torhal | GM said it was to prevent exploiting...which could have been done by making you wear the fucking thing. |
| 06:19.00 | Fisker | well you could just trade it then |
| 06:20.48 | Torhal | They can get around that :P |
| 06:21.23 | Torhal | When I bought the Great Mammoth I didn't have the option to trade it back to the vendor after I got the achievement. |
| 06:22.45 | Jerub | I hate how to get the achievement i have to trick or treat every hour, and if i'm away from wow for extended periods i miss chances. |
| 06:22.49 | Shirik | this is depressing |
| 06:22.54 | Jerub | I just want the freaking pet |
| 06:22.55 | Shirik | I used to be able to do 70 situps in a minute |
| 06:22.58 | Shirik | now I can only do 50 |
| 06:23.11 | Shirik | I need to get back into shape |
| 06:23.11 | Jerub | Shirik: turn up the voltage. |
| 06:23.51 | krka | round is a shape |
| 06:25.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i like round |
| 06:26.00 | NightHawkTheSane | its a nice shape |
| 06:28.05 | Shirik | .. |
| 06:28.21 | Jerub | Was looking through this page, and I realised that none of the descriptions fit till i got to this one: http://www.wowwiki.com/People_in_your_Raid#The_Perv |
| 06:28.28 | Jerub | which is 95% of our guild. |
| 06:28.35 | Shirik | round is not a shape |
| 06:29.19 | Fisker | your mom is a shape |
| 06:29.19 | Fisker | ooooh |
| 06:29.29 | Jerub | Fisker: you're in cruor sacramentum too? |
| 06:29.30 | Jerub | ;) |
| 06:30.02 | Fisker | naw |
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| 06:38.15 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:38.20 | Shirik | Jerub, I am so a Jumper |
| 06:38.21 | Fisker | NAWWWWWWWWWWWWW Shirik |
| 06:38.21 | Shirik | so bad |
| 06:38.31 | Shirik | that is an exact description of me |
| 06:38.32 | Fisker | Pro->Ultimate is soooooo expensive :( |
| 06:40.20 | haste | reroll linux! |
| 06:40.41 | Shirik | I may also be an Over-Analyzer |
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| 06:41.00 | Shirik | though in my defense, I am constantly saying that nothing is ever perfect and there is always a way to improve |
| 06:41.08 | Shirik | and to be quite honest, I think that's perfectly true |
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| 06:41.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i think that list is missing the know-it-all |
| 06:42.59 | Jerub | Shirik: yeah, i'm a jumper too. |
| 06:43.07 | Jerub | but it turns out all but our token american is http://www.wowwiki.com/People_in_your_Raid#The_Aussie |
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| 06:45.52 | Shirik | "This person is a good healer. Never lets the tank die. Never drops below 70% mana. Occasionally wipes the raid on farm runs when he gets bored and tries to see how low he can let the tank get before the big heal lands. Likes to see exactly how much of the Tank's HP he can heal in one big crit-heal but doesn't always time things right." |
| 06:45.54 | Shirik | I've done that :/ |
| 06:46.52 | krka | it's funny how i can look at this channel at any given time and see that half of the lines are made by Shirik :P |
| 06:47.07 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:47.35 | Fisker | Shirik is a giant n00b |
| 06:47.45 | Fisker | nice dodge though |
| 06:48.05 | NotShirik | has high dodge rating |
| 06:50.21 | Jerub | yeah, i do that too. |
| 06:50.21 | Jerub | i call it playing tank yoyo. |
| 06:50.39 | Jerub | though my favourite game is now counting how many heal spells i can get away with in H VH |
| 06:51.09 | haste | that's easy Jerub |
| 06:51.12 | haste | it's 0 |
| 06:51.28 | Jerub | haste: i mean, without wiping the raid. |
| 06:51.37 | haste | raid? vh? :D ? |
| 06:51.40 | Jerub | (for extra points: heavy frostweave bandages) |
| 06:51.42 | Jerub | er group |
| 06:51.48 | haste | then it's zero :p |
| 06:52.40 | haste | unless you get the kite guy ofc |
| 06:52.55 | haste | then you might have to throw a PoM (if you play priest) |
| 06:53.01 | Jerub | haste: i'm a drood. |
| 06:53.13 | haste | wild growth! |
| 06:53.16 | haste | group safe |
| 06:53.31 | Jerub | i can usually get away with 1 rejuv and 1 WG per set of trash portals. using bandages to top up |
| 06:53.40 | Jerub | and then 2 hots for the bosses. |
| 06:53.55 | Jerub | i take healing srsly on the last boss though |
| 06:53.58 | haste | then you don't have good enough tanks :p |
| 06:54.18 | Jerub | i was healing HH in my DPS gear the other day. that was awesome. |
| 06:54.25 | Jerub | kitty healer ;) |
| 06:54.42 | haste | don't need a healer on HH either :p |
| 06:54.54 | haste | just some minor heals between the spawns |
| 06:56.35 | Jerub | yeah, for 3 of the 5 pulls i didn't heal |
| 06:56.47 | Jerub | which is good, because my kitty only has 5k mana |
| 06:57.59 | haste | we do it with two priests for the first couple of spawns, where we both just stand smiting |
| 06:58.32 | Jerub | I think it was UK that we killed the first boss, and then someone asked on vent, "who's healing?" |
| 06:58.37 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 06:59.00 | haste | Fisker: hey søde bror! |
| 06:59.12 | Jerub | hey, speaking of healing, why is it that i'm always asked to raid heal as a drood healer? are we better at it than other classes? |
| 06:59.23 | haste | WG is insane |
| 06:59.31 | haste | druids == raid healers |
| 06:59.41 | Jerub | that good huh? |
| 06:59.42 | haste | holy priests are also good raid healers |
| 06:59.56 | Jerub | but it's only 5 targets in a general area with a 5 second CD |
| 07:00.11 | haste | it's one spell :p |
| 07:00.36 | Jerub | i wish i could tell who it was going to hit before i cast it |
| 07:00.46 | WobWork | druids are good raid healers |
| 07:00.46 | haste | druids are also quite horrible single target healers |
| 07:00.49 | WobWork | cause they spam rejuv |
| 07:00.52 | haste | compared to other classes |
| 07:01.00 | Jerub | doing ony25 is just a game of "guess who's taking damage" |
| 07:01.21 | WobWork | ony25 is a a huge game of triage |
| 07:01.47 | Jerub | everyone's scattered around the place, half the folks are out of range, you don't know who's in range, who's got agro, who's going to die because of DB |
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| 07:01.58 | WobWork | shaman are good raid healers |
| 07:02.05 | WobWork | if everyone stays within chainheal range of one another |
| 07:02.33 | WobWork | but chainheal -can- chain quite long distances at least |
| 07:02.59 | WobWork | "Look ma! I can heal around corners!" |
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| 07:03.47 | Adys | http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1519.png |
| 07:04.18 | WobWork | Adys: adorable =) |
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| 07:04.46 | WobWork | the facial expressions were good =) |
| 07:07.14 | Jerub | yay QC |
| 07:07.22 | Jerub | i'm so glad i have jeph on my twitter |
| 07:07.28 | Jerub | also, yelling_bird |
| 07:09.37 | WobWork | I don't read my twitter enough to be worthwhile |
| 07:10.07 | Jerub | WobWork: yelling_bird is always worthwhile. |
| 07:10.58 | WobWork | even though having amandapalmer and neilhimself is enough to fill any feed |
| 07:11.52 | Jerub | hm, i'm not following her, but i like her music. |
| 07:13.10 | WobWork | afp is awesome |
| 07:13.45 | WobWork | and her and neil gaiman are like the cutest couple ever |
| 07:13.58 | Jerub | wilw is worth following imho |
| 07:14.04 | Jerub | but that'll depend on how you feel about wilw. |
| 07:16.16 | NotShirik | Grading papers |
| 07:16.20 | NotShirik | Q: What is AC/DC Coupling |
| 07:16.27 | NotShirik | A: When people hook up while listening to Heavy Metal |
| 07:16.35 | WobWork | I'd pay that |
| 07:16.36 | Jerub | NotShirik: is that for real? |
| 07:16.39 | NotShirik | yes... |
| 07:16.54 | WobWork | Gimp should rename itself to Fauxtoshop |
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| 07:17.25 | Jerub | I'm still proud of the time i got half a mark for referring to the s-boxes in the DES algorithm as an NSA backdoor |
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| 07:38.03 | NotShirik | lmao WobWork |
| 07:38.06 | NotShirik | Fauxtoshop |
| 07:41.08 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
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| 07:41.53 | stuf | WobWork: oh god, i lolled, thank you |
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| 08:13.06 | DWSR | Anyone here a meta/ruin spec'ed lock? |
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| 08:40.22 | smcn | http://www.savagechickens.com/2009/10/nsfw.html (safe for work, but not safe for... well i won't ruin the joke :P) |
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| 08:54.36 | olafski | genius |
| 09:05.12 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 10:10.37 | ZorbaBeta | three masks left :D |
| 10:11.01 | Fisker | still got 12 left |
| 10:11.31 | Fisker | but i don't have progress from last year |
| 10:12.05 | Fisker | got damnit |
| 10:12.08 | Fisker | 6xtricked |
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| 10:27.46 | olafski | hah I stopped T&T'ing when I got the pet & head |
| 10:28.04 | olafski | bah now ackis is playing borderlands too.. what's so great about that thing :< |
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| 10:37.24 | Fisker | damnit Ackis |
| 10:37.25 | Fisker | i hope you die |
| 10:37.29 | Fisker | tell him olafski |
| 10:38.13 | Cide | self promotion time again.. sorry! |
| 10:38.14 | Cide | I'm conducting a survey to get the picture on how people feel about surveillance functions in raid monitoring addons. if you have experience raiding I'd be very happy if you take your time and fill out http://www.ctmod.net/survey/ -- thanks |
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| 10:49.40 | Industrial | surveillance? :p |
| 10:50.23 | Grum | Cide: that doesnt allow good enough specification |
| 10:50.37 | Cide | why not? |
| 10:50.39 | Grum | i don't mind stuff like resistence/cooldown/durabilty check |
| 10:50.51 | Cide | you can pick "sometimes" then |
| 10:50.51 | Grum | but i do mind them checking my gold amount or which items i have in my inv |
| 10:51.05 | Grum | except for raid related items like cookies |
| 10:51.06 | Cide | and if you'd like to you can note that in the last question |
| 10:51.26 | Grum | # Do you consider the information gathered by such functions public or private? |
| 10:51.30 | Grum | boh? |
| 10:51.31 | Grum | +t |
| 10:51.42 | Grum | depending on what they get? |
| 10:52.00 | Cide | well, it's up to you but if you think some of it is private I'd put it down as private |
| 10:52.28 | Cide | that question could use further specification yep |
| 10:52.28 | Cide | but I'll probably leave it as it is for now |
| 10:52.30 | Cide | feel free to note that in the last question though |
| 10:52.48 | Grum | i think that people raiding should not object against durability etc |
| 10:53.23 | Grum | damn i even think blizzard should give the leader/assistents a warning when any item is below the 10-15% treshhold |
| 10:53.42 | Industrial | I think surveillance functions (basically seeing all stats of all players) would help raid leaders globlly however personally I think that raid leaders schouldn't have to cover for player incompetence by having to warn them on vent that their durabilit is low/etc. |
| 10:54.04 | Industrial | They should just deal with the player instead. |
| 10:54.21 | Industrial | "get your shit together or no spot, you get 2 weeks" |
| 10:54.24 | Industrial | done :p |
| 10:54.29 | Grum | right |
| 10:54.36 | Grum | and how to check if someone cheats on that? |
| 10:54.45 | Grum | how to see someone wears 2-3 broken items? |
| 10:55.01 | Grum | you can only 'guessimate' that from the logs and depending on the fight/task it might not even matter |
| 10:55.17 | olafski | cide: done :D |
| 10:55.50 | Grum | i guess there should be an opt in or possibly even out for when you are in a raid to have at least durability displayed |
| 10:56.16 | Industrial | I don't really think its that much of an issue, you can see how someone is performing in a raid by just watching them for a while |
| 10:56.46 | Industrial | The problem I have with this is as soon as the raid leaders get the opportunity thn that creates another standard for raid addons |
| 10:56.54 | Industrial | if you dont have one you dont get to raid |
| 10:57.01 | Industrial | and if you opt out you dont get to raid |
| 10:57.01 | Industrial | etc |
| 10:57.09 | olafski | we already have the opportunity in ora and I believe in ctra |
| 10:58.25 | Grum | yes but with blizzard came up with the brilliant idea to add a limit on tries |
| 10:58.27 | Industrial | I don't use raid addons myself because I just don't need them - haven't needed them from BC til crusade (I stopped playing) |
| 10:58.28 | yoshimo | first there was ctra, then people wrote ora2, and ora3 will try to replace ora2 in the near future although a few functions like itemchecks are removed |
| 10:58.39 | Grum | do you cannot get away with 'i'll watch the person fuckup/forget for 3-4 tries' |
| 10:58.52 | olafski | why _did_ people make ora2? |
| 10:59.00 | olafski | I see a lot of people having some kind of dislike for ctra |
| 10:59.05 | Grum | because blizzard had nothing like /RW |
| 10:59.12 | olafski | but ctra had that |
| 10:59.18 | Grum | and ctra is still fucked up at this moment |
| 10:59.22 | olafski | so I'm wondering what happened in the time I wasn't playing (TBC) |
| 10:59.23 | Cide | olafski: thanks |
| 10:59.24 | Grum | anyone for a 30 minute rebirth timer? |
| 10:59.31 | Grum | ctra never updated |
| 10:59.37 | Cide | yes it did |
| 10:59.41 | Cide | I coded it |
| 10:59.42 | Grum | yes, after 4 months orso |
| 10:59.42 | olafski | hm I thought it is still being worked on |
| 10:59.45 | Cide | Industrial: well, fill it out! |
| 10:59.49 | Industrial | Cide: did :) |
| 10:59.51 | Cide | Grum: it *invented* that check |
| 11:00.00 | Guest10471 | http://notalwaysright.com/you%E2%80%99ve-got-the-wrongest-number-part-2/2763 |
| 11:00.00 | Cide | so yes, it updated |
| 11:00.00 | Guest10471 | >< |
| 11:00.04 | Grum | what check? |
| 11:00.08 | Cide | all of them? |
| 11:00.27 | Grum | so you are the horrible person making it possible to see the amount of gold someone has? ;) |
| 11:00.35 | Cide | I actually didn't invent the gold check |
| 11:00.41 | Cide | it's not part of ctra |
| 11:00.41 | Industrial | olafski: the same reason most projects are forked/rewritten/replaced |
| 11:00.44 | Grum | it is cide |
| 11:00.47 | olafski | I used to love that check.. in vanilla I wasn't raidleader, but was great that my raidleader always checked if everyone had reagents |
| 11:00.48 | Cide | oh |
| 11:00.49 | Cide | then dave added it |
| 11:00.54 | yoshimo | grum, no that was blizzard which displayed gold in the armory ;) |
| 11:00.55 | Grum | you could (back then) check for the '1 gold item' |
| 11:01.03 | Cide | what? |
| 11:01.15 | olafski | after a while nobody would dare to come to a raid without reagents |
| 11:01.20 | olafski | my raid leader was a real hardass :D |
| 11:01.22 | Cide | '1 gold item'? |
| 11:01.26 | Wobin | 1 gold item? |
| 11:01.35 | olafski | you can see gold on the armory? oO |
| 11:01.40 | Grum | you could once olafski |
| 11:01.43 | Cide | nope |
| 11:01.45 | Cide | you never could |
| 11:01.50 | olafski | ah ok |
| 11:01.56 | Cide | oh |
| 11:01.59 | Cide | I misunderstood |
| 11:02.06 | Cide | anyway, ctra (back then) never allowed you to see gold |
| 11:02.09 | Industrial | Wobin: its so stupid that I don't get it |
| 11:02.10 | Grum | Cide: that is what someone told me ... and right after told me the exact amount of gold i had hehe, thinking of it right now, it could have been alongside the armory |
| 11:02.25 | Cide | anyway, ctra doesn't have that check afaik |
| 11:02.30 | Cide | I never coded that check in any case |
| 11:02.32 | Cide | afk |
| 11:02.36 | Fisker | i liked part 1 better Wobin |
| 11:02.37 | Cide | go fill out the survey |
| 11:02.40 | Grum | anyhow, many people moved away from ctra because it was buggy as hell |
| 11:02.49 | Cide | nah |
| 11:02.52 | Cide | it wasn't buggy as hell |
| 11:03.01 | Cide | just inperformant |
| 11:03.01 | Wobin | Fisker, it was pretty classy |
| 11:03.06 | Grum | oh right, before addon communication channels there were absolutely no desyncs? |
| 11:03.08 | olafski | I liked ctra :( when I was forced to install ora I felt like a traitor |
| 11:03.16 | yoshimo | and now a few players complain that itemchecks were removed in ora3 |
| 11:03.18 | Grum | people not responding to version queries and therefor 'just not being there' |
| 11:03.23 | Cide | Grum: hardly any |
| 11:03.25 | Grum | not getting readychecks |
| 11:03.26 | Cide | ctra was very stable |
| 11:03.30 | Grum | Cide: we had them every single week |
| 11:03.30 | Wobin | Grum, That's cause they didn't like you |
| 11:03.36 | Cide | if you didn't get communication people didn't join the channel |
| 11:03.39 | Cide | or left it |
| 11:03.43 | Industrial | I still think its the individual players job. If you start watching peoples inventories for them then you are effectively reducing players to race/class/spec positions and because we are already measuring their performance what other thing is wow then a job for a raidmember? |
| 11:03.54 | Cide | in any case there wasn't any api to do that stuff |
| 11:04.04 | Cide | I'd like to call it revolutionary in that sense! |
| 11:04.06 | Grum | Cide: i had the problem myself, clean install and my box just wouldn't respond with anything others understood |
| 11:04.19 | Grum | i was in the channel (i could see it configured) |
| 11:04.29 | Grum | and yeah cide |
| 11:04.36 | Grum | your ideas made blizzard code sane stuff for it |
| 11:04.40 | Grum | so lots of kudos for that :) |
| 11:04.54 | Grum | but it doesnt mean ctra isn't broken as it is |
| 11:04.58 | Cide | oh it is broken |
| 11:05.02 | Grum | again, 30 minute rebirth timers anyone? |
| 11:05.02 | Cide | that's why I'm not working on it |
| 11:05.18 | Grum | that was put to 20 minutes in 2.4 .... it *never* updated |
| 11:06.03 | Cide | /shrug |
| 11:06.05 | Cide | I don't maintain it |
| 11:06.08 | Cide | it may be buggy now |
| 11:06.17 | Cide | it wasn't very buggy back then in any case |
| 11:06.19 | Grum | it was from 2.3 and up :) |
| 11:06.30 | Grum | nah, blizzard had a lot of stuff not going completely ok |
| 11:06.52 | Grum | not having addon party/raid channels nor /rw didnt make it nicer :) |
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| 11:17.47 | Industrial | I think surveillance functions (basically seeing all stats of all players) would help raid leaders globlly however personally I think that raid leaders schouldn't have to cover for player |
| 11:17.48 | Industrial | woops |
| 11:18.00 | Industrial | forgetting selecting text doesnt copy on a mac :p |
| 11:18.02 | Industrial | HTTP://CAPSLOCKDAY.COM |
| 11:18.04 | Industrial | that ^ |
| 11:19.28 | Fisker | 7 FREAKING HOURS AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY CANDY CORN? |
| 11:21.20 | Wobin | Fisker, lrn2trickortreat better |
| 11:22.02 | Wobin | ps, candy corn is -terrible- |
| 11:22.03 | Wobin | it's like the worst of corn syrup boiled into little pieces of crap |
| 11:22.03 | Industrial | iquorice ftw |
| 11:22.07 | Industrial | +l |
| 11:22.49 | Fisker | i want to borderlands though Wobin |
| 11:24.02 | Fisker | Ackis that jackass has it though |
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| 11:25.08 | jnwhiteh | mmmm |
| 11:25.11 | jnwhiteh | <3 candy corn =) |
| 11:25.49 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:26.01 | jnwhiteh | is "trout" a euphemism for your penis? |
| 11:26.18 | Fisker | no |
| 11:26.22 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 11:26.27 | jnwhiteh | then i'll pull my pants back up |
| 11:26.36 | jnwhiteh | misunderstanding |
| 11:26.48 | Industrial | can happen |
| 11:28.37 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
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| 11:29.40 | Wobin | http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2009/10/brigaderio-brazilian-chocolate-truffles-recipe.html is what I'm thinking of making |
| 11:29.55 | mikma | scytheblade1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OjcRBoCbSg |
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| 11:55.07 | Wobin | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6879293.ece |
| 11:55.10 | Wobin | awesome |
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| 11:58.20 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:59.24 | Wobin | http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1167201613783 how's that for a halloween costume? |
| 12:02.21 | Fisker | lol |
| 12:02.23 | Fisker | "How many digits (fingers and thumb) are on one human hand?" |
| 12:02.27 | Fisker | What a stupid captcha |
| 12:02.34 | Fisker | hands have digits? |
| 12:02.37 | Fisker | i thought it was fingers |
| 12:02.54 | Wobin | 'fingers' does not include thumbs |
| 12:03.07 | Bruners | hi Fisker |
| 12:03.17 | Fisker | (Including thumbs) would've made more sense than calling it digits then |
| 12:03.28 | Fisker | Bruners |
| 12:03.30 | Fisker | die in hell |
| 12:03.37 | Fisker | oh you're from norway you already will lol! |
| 12:06.44 | Ose | pardon? |
| 12:08.33 | jaxdahl | the thumb is a digit |
| 12:08.42 | jaxdahl | it's 'digitus primus' in latin |
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| 12:08.58 | Wobin | yes |
| 12:09.03 | Wobin | but the thumb is not a finger |
| 12:09.58 | jaxdahl | it depends on what dictionary you consult |
| 12:10.26 | jaxdahl | some indicate both usages (5 fingers on an hand), others indicate it's those 4 fingers (besides the thumb) |
| 12:11.14 | Bruners | Fisker: btw, its capslock day today |
| 12:12.01 | jaxdahl | "Thus fingers are commonly used as sensory probes to ascertain properties of objects encountered in the world, and so they are prone to injury." |
| 12:14.14 | Fisker | no Bruners |
| 12:14.22 | Fisker | i'm lazy btw |
| 12:14.24 | Bruners | Fisker: it is |
| 12:14.29 | Fisker | should i hotplug my other sata drive? |
| 12:14.36 | Bruners | http://capslockday.com/ |
| 12:14.59 | Bruners | Fisker: unplug it? make sure you demount it first |
| 12:15.09 | Bruners | Fisker: or safely remove hardware thing |
| 12:15.22 | Fisker | screw that shit |
| 12:15.32 | Fisker | i removed the icon from my taskbar |
| 12:17.47 | Bruners | Fisker: you should be able to find it in control panel somewhere, im at school on linux now so i cant help you |
| 12:19.43 | Fisker | yay |
| 12:19.47 | Fisker | finally windows 7 drivers |
| 12:19.56 | Fisker | logitech just cancelled their order for a thousand liters of milk |
| 12:21.53 | Fisker | lol wtf |
| 12:22.01 | Fisker | that was kinda sick |
| 12:22.29 | Fisker | the force from the drive when it shut down made me drop the balance a bit :P |
| 12:23.19 | Bruners | drop the balance ? |
| 12:23.40 | Fisker | yeah it's not attached to the chassis yet |
| 12:23.45 | Fisker | i was holding it in my hand :P |
| 12:28.06 | Fisker | brb |
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| 12:48.08 | mitch0 | fisker: ping |
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| 12:48.23 | Fisker | oh great |
| 12:48.35 | Lopeppeppy | mitch0, there's your Fisker. |
| 12:48.43 | mitch0 | yeah, but he's about to QQ for a bit |
| 12:48.50 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 12:48.56 | Fisker | my velociraptor died apparently |
| 12:48.58 | mitch0 | I'll wait till he gets whatever it is out of his system :) |
| 12:49.01 | Jelly_ | tackle-hugs Peppy. |
| 12:49.16 | mitch0 | fisker: done? |
| 12:49.26 | Fisker | sure |
| 12:49.52 | Bruners | Fisker: it died because you unplugged it ? |
| 12:49.57 | mitch0 | no rage emote spam? ok then. here's the question: would it make sense to separate SideSpacing to LeftSpacing/RightSpacing in Bazooka? |
| 12:49.58 | Fisker | no |
| 12:50.26 | Bruners | how much are the veloci's in DK ? |
| 12:50.37 | Fisker | what does it do mitch0? :P |
| 12:51.01 | mitch0 | erm, you can set the spacing between plugins |
| 12:51.14 | mitch0 | currently separate settings for plugins in the center and plugins on the sides |
| 12:51.26 | Fisker | ah |
| 12:51.34 | Fisker | yeah seperate per side :P |
| 12:51.34 | mitch0 | and now I'm wondering if it would make sense to separate left and right side |
| 12:51.49 | Fisker | I usually have one side for icons and another for data |
| 12:52.18 | mitch0 | alright, thanks for the feedback ;) |
| 12:53.17 | mitch0 | will have to subscribe again to test stuff... |
| 12:53.25 | mitch0 | any ETA on 3.3? |
| 12:55.33 | yoshimo | dont dare to ask ;) they introducd the ptr way too early again |
| 12:57.09 | Lopeppeppy | No such thing as too early, when you want to be sure you get out all the bugs you can. |
| 12:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | but mitch0, there is never an ETA on a patch except Soon (tm). |
| 12:57.51 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-dear. |
| 12:57.58 | mitch0 | yeah, I realized my question was pointless the moment I pressed enter :) |
| 12:58.52 | clever | how would i make a frame similar to the chat one, with a transparent bg and crolling text |
| 12:59.00 | mitch0 | hm. actually the key doesn't have any text on it, so it might be "return" instead of "enter" |
| 12:59.23 | mitch0 | there's a ScrollingMessageFrame or somesuch template |
| 12:59.29 | mikma | i want to do a addon where i can drag a spell and type in a name. after that i can just click the spell and that spell gets directed to the player i wrote ^^ |
| 12:59.53 | clever | mikma: sounds good |
| 13:00.22 | mikma | yeah, people keep asking me to pop hysteria to them in instances (when i'm tanking) so it would be good for that |
| 13:00.33 | mikma | also would be good for ie. hunters to misdirect |
| 13:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | Clique does that fine for me, I bind a spell to a keycombo and when someone says please, I do it. What is the advantage to your way? |
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| 13:03.54 | mitch0 | I just use a target="mouseover" macro |
| 13:04.08 | Fisker | btw Bruners |
| 13:04.10 | mitch0 | with some modifier magic |
| 13:04.11 | Fisker | around 1500kr |
| 13:04.20 | Fisker | But it has like 5 years warranty or so |
| 13:04.32 | Fisker | The only thing is that i lost a lot of e-mail data |
| 13:05.38 | Fisker | I don't even want a velociraptor |
| 13:05.50 | Fisker | If only i could pay like a 50$ fee or something and have it changed |
| 13:05.52 | Fisker | that would be neat |
| 13:08.22 | mikma | mitch0: i don't have the time/energy/skill to use mouseover macros when i tank ^^ |
| 13:09.26 | mitch0 | oh yeah, skipped that part |
| 13:11.38 | Ose | okay, lets play jeopardy |
| 13:11.59 | Ose | "A simple standalone addon that opens all my mail with one click" |
| 13:13.16 | mitch0 | client crash? |
| 13:13.16 | mitch0 | :) |
| 13:13.32 | olafski | ct_mailmod? |
| 13:13.32 | Lopeppeppy | ose, have you searched for "mail" on the addon sites, and not found anything? |
| 13:13.38 | olafski | that too |
| 13:13.42 | Ose | on the contrary |
| 13:14.02 | Ose | there's too much to look at all the descriptions to find what I want :P |
| 13:14.50 | mitch0 | do you want to just get all attachments and delete all or somesuch? |
| 13:15.07 | Ose | hmm |
| 13:15.28 | Lopeppeppy | Ose, if you want the addon, read the descriptions. It's just rampant laziness to expect us to read them for you. |
| 13:15.40 | olafski | I would prefer some kind of outlook interface.. with calendar and .ical support |
| 13:15.45 | olafski | anyone made that? |
| 13:15.48 | Ose | just get stuff, auctions mostly |
| 13:15.48 | Ose | :P |
| 13:15.49 | Ose | goes on a lazy rampage |
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| 13:27.22 | clever | how would i put a ScrollingMessageFrame into a frame/window? |
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| 13:31.03 | davis | hello |
| 13:31.07 | Lopeppeppy | morning |
| 13:33.34 | clever | think i found an example |
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| 14:04.49 | Shirik | rawr |
| 14:04.59 | |Jelly| | RAWR! |
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| 14:07.59 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, baby. |
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| 14:10.07 | Ackis | rawr's all over your face |
| 14:11.00 | olafski | lo ackiski |
| 14:11.02 | olafski | how is borderlandz |
| 14:11.09 | Ackis | hard |
| 14:11.11 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:11.17 | Ackis | I wanted to throw my controller |
| 14:11.28 | Ackis | apparently my gun sucks |
| 14:12.07 | Shirik | is it sad that I immediately recognized XKCD's drawing? |
| 14:12.10 | Shirik | like |
| 14:12.14 | Shirik | what plane it is? |
| 14:12.46 | Lopeppeppy | It looks like a girl plane to me. |
| 14:12.55 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:13.31 | krka | looks like a predator, right? |
| 14:13.38 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:13.40 | Shirik | krka: yup |
| 14:14.03 | krka | unless you have much more detailed info than that, i don't think it's sad |
| 14:14.10 | Shirik | A lot of people in my guild are going "see look it's all your fault" at me |
| 14:14.18 | Shirik | And I'm like "that's not my plane T_T" |
| 14:16.45 | Ackis | Classification Board had only just rated Activision-Blizzard's online game World of Warcraft an 'M', five years after the game had been released in Australia. |
| 14:16.48 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:16.49 | Ackis | aussies |
| 14:16.55 | Ackis | doin everything backwards |
| 14:16.56 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:18.03 | Ackis | Some of you woke up and installed Windows 7. I woke up and had sex with a 10. That's the difference between us. How's that printer working? |
| 14:18.37 | Lopeppeppy | ? |
| 14:18.48 | Lopeppeppy | Having sex with a number isn't really something to brag about. |
| 14:18.48 | Shirik | echos Lopeppeppy |
| 14:19.37 | Ackis | it has a hole! |
| 14:19.51 | Ackis | btw Lopeppeppy I saw your twit about rape, just read the article |
| 14:20.05 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy has twitter? |
| 14:20.50 | olafski | not too bad to recognise a predator I'd say |
| 14:21.34 | Ackis | is a predator... a DOUGHNUT predator! |
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| 14:22.44 | Lopeppeppy | I have some twitters, ya. |
| 14:22.45 | Fisker | ti hope you die Ackis |
| 14:22.56 | Fisker | a really gruesome death btw |
| 14:23.12 | Ackis | me too |
| 14:23.16 | Ackis | can you do it to me? |
| 14:23.27 | Fisker | i wish |
| 14:23.29 | Ackis | like pull out my nails, then start skinning me to death |
| 14:23.41 | Fisker | 2k is a bunch of console fags just like you |
| 14:24.16 | Ackis | 2k == civ |
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| 14:27.12 | davis | "I woke up and had sex with a 10" nice. |
| 14:27.54 | davis | wife or gf? |
| 14:28.45 | Lopeppeppy | 10 inches of what? |
| 14:29.02 | davis | lol |
| 14:29.24 | Cide | 10 inch dwarf |
| 14:29.40 | Grum | who says its inches and not to balance the first " ? :) |
| 14:29.58 | Ackis | davis: lol |
| 14:31.14 | davis | i was married for nearly 20 years. I was so beat when the wench left me and took my money. I was just thinking about how nice it is to be able to sample multiple chicks now. |
| 14:31.35 | Lopeppeppy | And multiple diseases. |
| 14:31.55 | davis | and I take small happiness in knowing her bf lost his job and I got a raise. gotta love karma. |
| 14:31.59 | Grum | the benefit of the diseases is, once you have them, you cannot get them again! |
| 14:32.07 | davis | lol |
| 14:32.09 | Lopeppeppy | Untrue! |
| 14:32.21 | Grum | you can have any STD twice? |
| 14:32.32 | Lopeppeppy | Um, a lot of them, yes. |
| 14:32.45 | Lopeppeppy | Some you get to keep for life, so I guess you can only "get" those once, but you HAVE them forever. |
| 14:32.49 | Ackis | mmmmm diseases |
| 14:32.51 | Grum | nonono |
| 14:32.53 | Ackis | om nom nom nom |
| 14:33.09 | Grum | i mean you cant get it twice once you already have it .. and *still* have it :P |
| 14:33.12 | davis | hmm. hide under table and cry or go rock the roll? I'll rock the roll. |
| 14:33.16 | Grum | you could probably get another strain =D |
| 14:33.29 | Lopeppeppy | There are some with multiple strains, yes. |
| 14:34.58 | clever | dont cross the strains!!! |
| 14:35.04 | Ackis | Fisker has the cock-gobbling STD |
| 14:35.06 | clever | youll create a mutant super-strain:P |
| 14:35.48 | clever | that reminds me about how h1n1 works |
| 14:36.17 | clever | if you have several (compatible) strains, then youll start mixing them together |
| 14:36.24 | clever | if they infect the same cell |
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| 14:38.29 | Lopeppeppy | Baking cookies is better. |
| 14:38.58 | Tepel | mmmm cookies |
| 14:38.58 | davis | lol, getting some nookie >> baking cookies |
| 14:39.10 | Tepel | davis: what about eating cookies |
| 14:39.20 | davis | toss up |
| 14:39.53 | Tepel | which brings us to the next question, no internet or no sex |
| 14:41.15 | clever | Tepel: pick one and do it for a day, then pick another:P |
| 14:41.26 | Tepel | :) |
| 14:42.14 | Lopeppeppy | Why not both? Take a weeked off camping, alone. |
| 14:42.37 | Tepel | camping is overrated |
| 14:42.44 | Grum | Tepel .... nipple ... oh /sigh a dutchie even |
| 14:42.57 | Tepel | Grum: Frisian even |
| 14:43.23 | Grum | IEW! |
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| 14:43.46 | Lopeppeppy | Camping is the awesomest vacation ever. |
| 14:44.01 | Grum | without internet, with insects? |
| 14:44.05 | Tepel | The only highlight of camping is BBQing |
| 14:44.10 | Tepel | Which I can do without camping |
| 14:44.18 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.50 | Tepel | I mean, it was fun and all when I was younger |
| 14:44.56 | Lopeppeppy | There don't need to be insects. Oh, you bunch of citified wimps! :) |
| 14:45.00 | Arrowmaster | yeah just wait for the power to go out for a week and you can enjoy cooking pizza on a propane stove like i have |
| 14:45.24 | Lopeppeppy | Good idea, I'll get a propane stove in case the heat goes out for a week again this December. |
| 14:46.12 | Tepel | It's not that I don't like camping, I just like a proper bed more |
| 14:46.29 | Lopeppeppy | Air mattress. Next? |
| 14:46.41 | Seerah | my favorite part of camping was waking up in the middle of the night and talking a walk to look at the stars, listen to things, and look at the moon reflecting on the lake/hear the water |
| 14:47.27 | Lopeppeppy | Yes! ^ |
| 14:47.34 | Lopeppeppy | Stars are so seriously awesome. And frogs. |
| 14:48.09 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 14:48.21 | davis | white fuel burner for the win. double good if you get a dual use one which burns gasoline. |
| 14:48.28 | Tepel | My most fond memory of camping was waking up because of the noise the neighbours made. Hear a man yelling: "Where's the toilet paper you filthy whore" (in dutch). Followed by a naked woman crossing the streets |
| 14:48.33 | Tepel | Now that was win |
| 14:48.41 | davis | excellent |
| 14:48.57 | Grum | what i love is the sound of heavy rain on your tent :) |
| 14:49.13 | Arrowmaster | http://www.burgerkingjapan.co.jp/news/img/bk_poster091014_02.jpg |
| 14:49.13 | Tepel | Ahh yes, board games all day long |
| 14:49.27 | Lopeppeppy | Only if the tent is waterproof! |
| 14:49.36 | Arrowmaster | i took an xbox with me last time i went camping |
| 14:49.46 | Cide | Arrowmaster: awesome |
| 14:49.56 | Seerah | ooh, rain on tent :) |
| 14:49.57 | Tepel | I've never had that kind of luxury! |
| 14:50.11 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: I've had to bail out a tent before |
| 14:50.22 | Arrowmaster | we have a big camper |
| 14:50.25 | Tepel | The best I could do were mini games on crappy handhelds |
| 14:50.39 | Seerah | The next tent, I was so glad it was staked down well, else it would have floated away |
| 14:51.04 | Seerah | other <3.... smell of the campfire |
| 14:51.10 | Lopeppeppy | Good tent, ground cloth, drainage ditch dug.... best way to camp up here. |
| 14:51.24 | Lopeppeppy | I actually don't like the smell of woodsmoke in my hair. *wrinkles nose* |
| 14:51.50 | mikma | so, how can i make a secure actionbutton where i can drag my macro? |
| 14:51.50 | davis | i went to burning man this past summer. one week in the desert with just the water I took in. |
| 14:51.58 | davis | something different for sure. |
| 14:52.00 | Tepel | Hah! Which reminds me! When I was a kid we had 20cm of water in the tent. Drainage of the area we were on was bad :P |
| 14:52.18 | Tepel | Was awesome from my point of view though |
| 14:52.31 | Tepel | Parents, not so much |
| 14:53.30 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | Lusers are gonna drive me to drink today. |
| 14:59.52 | mikma | fisker: stop slapping |
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| 15:11.48 | Fisker | sorry mikma |
| 15:11.51 | Fisker | i'm just so very mad |
| 15:11.54 | Fisker | because Ackis is a jerk |
| 15:12.07 | Ackis | really? |
| 15:12.09 | Ackis | I'm a jerk! |
| 15:12.10 | mikma | fisker: that's ok, he is :) |
| 15:12.10 | Ackis | NEVA |
| 15:12.25 | Fisker | you got borderlands |
| 15:13.04 | Ackis | it's a fun game actually |
| 15:13.10 | Ackis | are you jealous that you can't play it yet? |
| 15:13.50 | Fisker | not as much jealous as i am annoyed |
| 15:15.46 | Fisker | so they better release it tonight |
| 15:15.55 | Fisker | had enough of console bullshit for this reality |
| 15:17.29 | Ackis | just get a console then |
| 15:17.31 | Ackis | problem solved |
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| 15:18.59 | Fisker | i'd rather go back in time and eliminate the guy who invented the console |
| 15:19.00 | Tepel | Wooo! Borderlands! |
| 15:19.13 | Tepel | Consoles are crap, give me a proper mouse! |
| 15:20.32 | Tepel | Everytime they hand me one of those controllers my hands get all cramped up |
| 15:20.53 | Ackis | my thumb hurts from all the shooting and killing and stuff |
| 15:20.54 | Tepel | That probably made no sense |
| 15:21.20 | Arrowmaster | i find the 360 controller quite comfortable |
| 15:21.28 | Arrowmaster | except when playing arcade fighting games |
| 15:21.42 | Arrowmaster | then my thumb hurts |
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| 15:25.07 | cog|work | station |
| 15:25.14 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-dear |
| 15:25.27 | cog|work | Lunessa: for all intents and purposes i already get "free" calls. I've never used anywhere near the 500 minutes on my cell account... |
| 15:25.27 | Lunessa | station. |
| 15:25.30 | Lunessa | Morning Peppy. |
| 15:25.50 | cog|work | and i don't have a landline so i don't have to deal with all those crap fees and rates |
| 15:25.56 | Lunessa | cog|work: heh. I rarely use up my minutes either. |
| 15:26.07 | cog|work | oh and that's 500 minutes shared between me and mrs cog |
| 15:28.34 | Lopeppeppy | I am the only consumer of minutes, and I carry the max roll over every month. Its' just sadness. |
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| 15:29.55 | Lunessa | cog|work: Internertz, you has dem. Who needs phone? |
| 15:30.03 | cog|work | srsly |
| 15:30.29 | cog|work | actually, i do have the most basic landline i could possibly get for our security system |
| 15:30.37 | cog|work | a whole $13/mo |
| 15:31.30 | Lunessa | I just have my cell. Though I'm going to swap it out for more expensive service on a different carrier - because I can't get calls on campus until I move to a different carrier. |
| 15:32.16 | cog|work | I can only sometimes get calls at work on my cell. My phone's battery will die in a matter of hours because of how bad the reception is here |
| 15:32.31 | nevcairiel | I'm glad to work in a big city =P |
| 15:33.05 | cog|work | nevcairiel: yeah but do you have this view outside your window? http://kistlervineyards.com/assets/gallery/VH_Cold_120104/VH_Cold_120104_300.jpg |
| 15:33.26 | Lopeppeppy | I keep my phone charging while I'm at work, for the same reason... it just runs the battery right down with the bad reception up here in the Park. |
| 15:33.32 | cog|work | err http://kistlervineyards.com/assets/gallery/VH_Cold_120104/VH_Cold_120104_1024.jpg <-- bigger |
| 15:33.32 | nevcairiel | not exactly, i have trees and a small park |
| 15:33.50 | Lopeppeppy | I read that director as "asshats" and I was like, Cog is going to get in trouble for that one some day... |
| 15:34.12 | cog|work | lol |
| 15:34.43 | nevcairiel | behind that the airport, although not in direct sight, just the planes going up and down sometimes :P |
| 15:35.00 | nevcairiel | tbh, work is for working, not watching out the window =P |
| 15:35.34 | cog|work | that's actually my "killer app" for google voice... people call me on my cell and my cell message says "call me at work during business hours -- #", but no one ever does. Now i can pick up my work phone when they call |
| 15:36.00 | cog|work | plus my # is 9555-COG |
| 15:36.01 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 15:36.25 | cog|work | =) |
| 15:36.40 | nevcairiel | Heh, i wonder if i could even pick my own number if i wanted to |
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| 15:38.42 | Lopeppeppy | Here is outside of my window at work... http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/jarien/scenery/tree.jpg |
| 15:38.54 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't show the golden sunlight very well, sadly, but that's my tree! |
| 15:40.04 | cog|work | some other random views out my window... http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=64747&id=563064469&l=8f49311f2c |
| 15:40.34 | nevcairiel | mmm lunch |
| 15:40.58 | cog|work | srsly... wtb brine and a bbq |
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| 15:45.06 | Adys | what was the unix command to repeat an action every x second? |
| 15:45.20 | Lunessa | chron |
| 15:45.25 | Adys | no not that |
| 15:45.38 | nevcairiel | loop and sleep? :D |
| 15:45.51 | Adys | watch |
| 15:45.54 | nevcairiel | i know the command you mean, but i forgot it |
| 15:45.58 | nevcairiel | ah right, thats the one |
| 15:48.48 | Adys | is there some .. inverse grep? |
| 15:48.53 | Adys | grep all lines that don't match x |
| 15:49.38 | Adys | -v |
| 15:49.39 | Adys | yay |
| 15:50.00 | Pneu^ | yeh. -v if you don't want to make a negative pattern |
| 15:50.30 | Shirik | this is not the original dream |
| 15:52.50 | Adys | watch -n 0.2 "tail /var/log/squid/access.log -n 50 | grep -v static | grep -v tooltip" |
| 15:52.53 | Adys | unix is awesome |
| 15:52.56 | Shirik | sometimes it's not right to make a negative pattern :) |
| 15:53.00 | Lunessa | back in a bit |
| 15:53.07 | Shirik | Adys: That's nothing to my awesomeness |
| 15:53.36 | Shirik | I wrote a line to strip all blank lines and comments, count up the lines, and tell me what % of the code was only blank lines or lines that were entirely comments |
| 15:54.16 | Tepel | wc -l! |
| 15:54.31 | Shirik | uh |
| 15:54.38 | Shirik | except wc -l assumes everything is a line :) |
| 15:54.50 | Shirik | this was a combination of sed, grep, wc, and bc |
| 15:54.55 | Shirik | and cat I think |
| 15:54.56 | Shirik | oh and find |
| 15:54.59 | Tepel | oeh bc, don't know that one |
| 15:55.15 | Shirik | I wish I still had the line |
| 15:55.19 | Shirik | I think I threw it out |
| 15:56.22 | Pneumatus | Adys: tail -f tbh :P |
| 15:56.52 | nevcairiel | yeah tail -f is awesome magic :P |
| 15:57.22 | Tepel | Time for some cake |
| 15:57.35 | Pneumatus | my PS1 is the prompt of gods |
| 15:58.08 | Ackis | Fisker: you suck so much, any chance you could walk into my house and like instant vaccum it? |
| 15:59.00 | Pneumatus | PS1='\[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]\[\e]0;[\h]\w\007\]\[\e[37;1m\](${ucol}\u@\[\e[0;35m\]\h\[\e[37;1m\])-(\[\e[m\]\t\[\e[37;1m\])-(\[\e[0;36m\]\w\[\e[37;1m\])\[\e[m\]\e[37;1m\]-($(uptime | sed -e "s/^.*up[ ]*\(.*\),.*user.*average: \(.*\)/\e[34;1m\]\1\e[37;1m\])-(\e[32;1m\]\2/g")\e[37;1m\])\n\[\e[34m\]\$ \[\e[m\]' |
| 15:59.03 | Pneumatus | its soooo pretty :> |
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| 16:00.48 | Shirik | tail -f is so win |
| 16:00.58 | Pneumatus | confirming this |
| 16:01.09 | Adys | someone's wgetting all my npcs |
| 16:01.10 | Adys | 219.84.160.97 - - [22/Oct/2009:17:56:49 +0200] "GET http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/4487/ HTTP/1.0" 200 5048 "-" "Wget/1.10.2 (Red Hat modified)" TCP_MISS:FIRST_UP_PARENT |
| 16:01.16 | Adys | Surprise: http://219.84.160.97/ |
| 16:01.41 | nevcairiel | chinese wow site, ha |
| 16:01.44 | Pneumatus | dodgy chinese database scraping mmochamp? |
| 16:01.58 | Shirik | wow Pneumatus |
| 16:02.02 | Shirik | too complicated |
| 16:02.08 | Shirik | how am I supposed to read what I'm doing |
| 16:02.08 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, chow mein. |
| 16:02.27 | Adys | nevcairiel: its some popular chinese db |
| 16:02.40 | Adys | "surprisingly" sigrie is extremely popular with russian fansites. |
| 16:02.57 | nevcairiel | too stupid to parse the database files for themself, eh |
| 16:03.04 | Shirik | Pneumatus, that goes across three lines for me in some place |
| 16:03.04 | Shirik | s |
| 16:03.09 | Pneumatus | :o |
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| 16:03.20 | Pneumatus | well, for a desktop machine i strip out the uptime parts |
| 16:03.36 | Pneumatus | so its just user@host - time - workingdir |
| 16:04.44 | Shirik | this is my server |
| 16:04.56 | Shirik | (mpdelbuono@li23-154)-(12:02:55)-(/var/www/localhost/htdocs/forums)-(32 days, 14:30)-(0.61, 0.41, 0.45) <-- takes two lines |
| 16:05.36 | Pneumatus | ah yeh, long paths with 80 width terminal would probably do that as well :) |
| 16:05.56 | nevcairiel | i don't need time in my consoles .. and the full dir would probably always annoy me due to length |
| 16:06.48 | ArrowmasterClass | mines just "arrow@tohsaka:~% " |
| 16:06.52 | Pneumatus | well, i tend to only run a couple of commands but leave consoles open forever |
| 16:07.15 | nevcairiel | thats what i have, ArrowmasterClass |
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| 16:07.23 | nevcairiel | default gentoo prompt :P |
| 16:07.29 | ArrowmasterClass | nevcairiel: with the %? |
| 16:07.46 | nevcairiel | yeah, with zsh |
| 16:07.51 | ArrowmasterClass | good man |
| 16:07.55 | nevcairiel | i dislike bash |
| 16:08.05 | zenzelezz | how come? |
| 16:08.05 | ArrowmasterClass | zsh completion > * |
| 16:08.20 | nevcairiel | yeah the completition in zsh is just absolute win |
| 16:08.27 | nevcairiel | i never got it working right in bash |
| 16:08.31 | ArrowmasterClass | being able to type chmod 644 <TAB> and having it only tab through files that arent already 644 is win |
| 16:08.47 | Adys | what is it with everyone wgetting my html pages |
| 16:08.51 | Adys | when I got pretty json ones! |
| 16:09.39 | Pneumatus | i wont wget your pages |
| 16:09.55 | Gnarfoz | Adys: if they knew what that meant, they'd probably not be scraping you at all |
| 16:12.24 | Lopeppeppy | I have earthquakes! http://wnyt.com/article/stories/s1205948.shtml?cat=10114 |
| 16:12.44 | Adys | Gnarfoz: what do you mean? |
| 16:13.53 | Gnarfoz | Adys: well, scraping your entire db is not really a nice thing to do, so they're either oblivious of that (and of the JSON alternative) or just plain don't care |
| 16:13.55 | Shirik | cheers at Lopeppeppy |
| 16:14.19 | Adys | Gnarfoz: wowbox.tw is a database website |
| 16:14.38 | Adys | i think what they're trying to do is scrap it, grab the tooltips, manually match shit |
| 16:15.18 | Gnarfoz | well, unless they want to be a copy of you, that's stuff a db site would normally do on their own, or am I misunderstanding what they're up to |
| 16:15.19 | Pneumatus | why they don't just scrape wowhead where all the relation is done for you though... |
| 16:16.46 | Adys | because I got 29308 npcs in the db and wowhead has only 20476? :P |
| 16:17.26 | cog|work | umm... wtf... i disabled and re-enabled my QuickLaunch bar and now all the icons are huge... |
| 16:18.26 | Ackis | anyone here have a raptr profile? |
| 16:18.32 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/10/d-and-d-microsoft-surface/ - fun |
| 16:18.38 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:19.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: seen it, neat but clunky |
| 16:19.14 | Ackis | Fisker: calm down, just think I'll have beaten borderlands before you even start playing |
| 16:19.37 | Lunessa | NHTS: Yeah, but proof-of-concept work usually is. |
| 16:20.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: true, although i noticed part of the clunkiness is the MS surface table. its not really terribly responsive |
| 16:20.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Also, i think they try to do a bit too much. Personally, I still enjoy actually rolling dice. And I think it could be generalized to work with other systems and be a superior product |
| 16:21.06 | NightHawkTheSane | (er, other game systems, that is) |
| 16:21.11 | Lunessa | I'm expecting they're working on pretty rough-cut stuff right now, but I'm intrigued by the possibilities. Gesture-based computing really will be the wave of the future. |
| 16:22.05 | NightHawkTheSane | for some things, yeah. Tablets and interactive 'tables' like that have some pretty awesome possibilities |
| 16:25.29 | Lunessa | I'm interested in the functions associated with "Control Objects" |
| 16:26.56 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: duck and cover |
| 16:27.26 | ArrowmasterClass | NightHawkTheSane: its so much more satisfing when you roll physical dice yourself and get what you preceive as better than random results than when a computer does it |
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| 16:27.48 | Gnarfoz | which... is only pseudo-random, anyway :D |
| 16:28.07 | Lopeppeppy | I have no desk at home, Shirik! |
| 16:29.45 | ArrowmasterClass | i swear i got atleast 10x more 6s than 1s on a d6 during a campaign that lasted until my rogue was lvl 40, so much more satisfing |
| 16:30.55 | alestane | Some dice do that. |
| 16:31.23 | ArrowmasterClass | and im never giving up my dice |
| 16:33.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, the control object interface functionality was interesting, i wish they'd gone more in depth into that. |
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| 16:37.53 | cog|work | ~lart addons that don't anchor their frames to the closest edge of the screen |
| 16:37.53 | purl | shoots addons that don't anchor their frames to the closest edge of the screen in the head |
| 16:40.47 | cog|work | ~lart blizzard's RNG |
| 16:40.47 | purl | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking blizzard's RNG's head off |
| 16:44.23 | Lunessa | cog|work: What addon are you using that incites your ire? |
| 16:44.52 | cog|work | the two i can't live without: TBag and MonkeyQuest |
| 16:45.10 | Lunessa | never used either. |
| 16:45.12 | Lopeppeppy | Oook ooook ooook |
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| 16:49.06 | Gnarfoz | cog|work: MQ3 or 2.x? |
| 16:49.44 | cog|work | 2.x |
| 16:50.11 | cog|work | didn't know there was a 3... |
| 16:50.27 | Lopeppeppy | Oook oook. |
| 16:50.58 | Gnarfoz | I like 2.x better anyway :> |
| 16:52.02 | cog|work | pats the Lopepmonkey |
| 16:54.26 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is confusing |
| 16:54.52 | NightHawkTheSane | women are like that. |
| 16:54.57 | krka | yeah. that doesn't even compile in my ook compiler :( |
| 16:57.19 | Shirik | Here's a fun question |
| 16:57.27 | Shirik | Assume you have a database with a bunch of tables |
| 16:57.41 | Shirik | Each table has an owner (an owner may own more than one table, but that's irrelevant for this question) |
| 16:58.02 | Shirik | You have a query, like INSERT VALUES(a,b,c) INTO foo WHERE baz=bar |
| 16:58.09 | Shirik | Only the owner can modify a table |
| 16:58.27 | Shirik | You have validated that the query is secure (made by the owner) |
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| 16:58.41 | Shirik | Is there a danger in letting the "WHERE" clause be removed and not re-validating it? |
| 16:58.54 | Shirik | I don't think so |
| 16:59.12 | nevcairiel | a where in an insert? |
| 16:59.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ / |
| 16:59.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
| 16:59.21 | Shirik | ok sorry |
| 16:59.22 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_102209_195719.jpg <- it's a start, and it works :D |
| 16:59.24 | Shirik | thinking too abstractly :P |
| 16:59.26 | Shirik | Try UPDATE |
| 16:59.49 | NightHawkTheSane | in either case, removing the where clause wont change what tables it affects, only what records |
| 16:59.56 | Shirik | that's what I thought |
| 17:00.04 | NightHawkTheSane | so as long as you dont mind altering what records the query affects, you should be fine |
| 17:00.22 | Shirik | The owner is allowed todo anything they want to the table |
| 17:00.29 | Shirik | they just can't go messing around with tables they don't own |
| 17:03.51 | cog|work | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/CogThePumpkinKing.png |
| 17:04.12 | Shirik | cog|work is strange |
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| 17:05.10 | Lopeppeppy | We knew that. |
| 17:05.29 | cog|work | oldnews |
| 17:05.38 | Lopeppeppy | NECROTHREAD! |
| 17:05.50 | cog|work | RTFM! |
| 17:06.12 | cog|work | (or were you quoting TFM?) |
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| 17:06.35 | ArrowmasterClass | do you have two swords cog? |
| 17:06.59 | cog|work | just the one |
| 17:07.35 | ArrowmasterClass | i logged on the other day and saw somebody with this years and lastyears both equiped |
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| 17:08.02 | cog|work | I don't think i did HH last year |
| 17:09.06 | Lunessa | Cogwheel, Pumpkin King! Kneel before his Sugary Goodness. |
| 17:10.59 | Lopeppeppy | Sugar? |
| 17:11.11 | Tepel | Bah, I need an army |
| 17:12.05 | cog|work | actually i still need the helm... i was borrowing someone else's pumpkin for that shot :'( |
| 17:12.40 | Tepel | Who has an army for hire so I can utterly destroy france ? |
| 17:14.07 | kdtresh | what kind of army do you think you'd need? |
| 17:15.02 | cog|work | a PUMPKIN army, of course!!! That'd teach them frogs. |
| 17:15.07 | Ackis | lol |
| 17:15.16 | Ackis | cog|work: Bibi- will strike you down |
| 17:15.39 | cog|work | chuckles |
| 17:15.44 | Lopeppeppy | Ribbbbit |
| 17:15.55 | cog|work | i like france though... good cheese, good food, good wine, good Space Mountain... |
| 17:16.28 | Ackis | they developed new tanks which have three speeds: reverse, retreat and run :P |
| 17:16.53 | Tepel | lol |
| 17:17.11 | Tepel | Well, maybe an army of hackers is enough |
| 17:17.44 | cog|work | Even took french in high school which is... very odd considering where I live. There's one other language that would've been far more useful... |
| 17:17.53 | Tepel | And link Sarkozy to some illegal filesharing and illegal pron |
| 17:19.52 | davis | i rode a motorcycle to Strausburg france once. One of the highlights of my life. riding a bmw in the mountains of the shwarzwald. spelling? |
| 17:20.47 | Lunessa | I once went to France. It's the only place in the world where I've had a machine-gun pointed at me by someone who meant to use it. |
| 17:22.16 | cog|work | O.o |
| 17:22.34 | Bibi- | are you a girl? if you are I'll volunteer to defend you next time. |
| 17:23.12 | Lunessa | Bibi-: I'm very, very male. |
| 17:23.17 | Bibi- | bah |
| 17:23.19 | Bibi- | that works too. |
| 17:23.43 | davis | why they point a gun at you? |
| 17:24.21 | Shirik | a student just came in asking if I have a 100 gigaohm resistor |
| 17:24.24 | Lunessa | cog|work: The guard didn't speak any English, I didn't speak enough French. The currency exchange was 10 feet outside the transit zone and I needed french coins to use a pay phone (late 80s) I was trying to ask him for help, he got annoyed and racked the slide on his machine gun and pointed at me. |
| 17:24.43 | Lunessa | I decided I didn't need to make a phone call that badly. |
| 17:24.52 | Kraps | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8321199.stm |
| 17:25.17 | davis | lol |
| 17:25.18 | cog|work | Shirik: isn't air less resistive than that? |
| 17:25.20 | Tepel | One more reason to despise france, "We're to important to be arsed to learn a decent foreign language" |
| 17:25.24 | Shirik | that's what I told him |
| 17:25.28 | Shirik | I brought him over to our most sensitive meter |
| 17:25.37 | Shirik | and was like "This meter is reading the air as 125 Mohm |
| 17:25.42 | cog|work | lol |
| 17:25.52 | Lunessa | Tepel: To be fair I speak passbale spanish and itallian but only a smattering of french |
| 17:25.59 | Shirik | brb |
| 17:26.07 | Ackis | fucking chair at work, I lean back and the thing almost flips over, gives me a heart attack, makes me want to shout out "fuck" |
| 17:26.35 | Tepel | Dutch and reasonable english here |
| 17:26.46 | Tepel | correction, reasonable dutch and english |
| 17:27.19 | Lunessa | Hell, my german is better than my french. Though I suppose speaking french wouldn't kill me. |
| 17:27.24 | Tepel | The solution I've found to foreigners is to just speak louder |
| 17:27.41 | Lunessa | Tepel: Congratulations, you're now an American. |
| 17:27.52 | Tepel | I'm not fat! |
| 17:28.06 | Lunessa | We're not all fat either. Just me. |
| 17:28.23 | Akarou | Well of course not, some parts of you are water. |
| 17:28.28 | Tepel | hehe |
| 17:28.40 | Tepel | Other parts are carbon |
| 17:28.44 | Lopeppeppy | Some are hot air. |
| 17:28.47 | Tepel | Only a small part is fat |
| 17:28.49 | cog|work | carbon's part of fat |
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| 17:28.57 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom is part of fat. |
| 17:29.10 | Tepel | She is, but that's unrelated |
| 17:29.18 | cog|work | ^ |
| 17:29.20 | Lunessa | ... non-sequitur joke is non-sequitur. |
| 17:29.59 | Tepel | Human body is which % of water? |
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| 17:30.11 | cog|work | 75? |
| 17:30.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ~60% by weight i think |
| 17:30.57 | NightHawkTheSane | but i imagine it varies |
| 17:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | babies are particularly juicy, i bet. |
| 17:31.32 | NightHawkTheSane | joins cog|work in hell... |
| 17:31.52 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: so fatty and tender |
| 17:32.11 | cog|work | like a little human kobe |
| 17:32.32 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, they grill up so nice and juicy |
| 17:32.34 | cog|work | damnit now i want japanese food |
| 17:32.39 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 17:32.50 | cog|work | wts 16yo sister (not in that way) |
| 17:32.51 | Tepel | instant noodles ... |
| 17:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | google is telling me babies can have up to 78% water by weight in their bodies.. |
| 17:33.04 | cog|work | no i had instant noodles yesterday |
| 17:33.06 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/may2000/958588306.An.r.html |
| 17:33.19 | NightHawkTheSane | whereas adult males tend to be closer to 60-65% and adult females at ~55% |
| 17:34.16 | Tepel | Aha! Proof that women have more fat then men! |
| 17:34.18 | cog|work | http://www.ramendepot.com/default.asp?S=503&A=E&PKV=0332AMB000012|0 |
| 17:34.36 | Tepel | And since women tend to live longer then men, I guess a little extra fat can't hurt |
| 17:34.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i kind of have a hankering for some pho |
| 17:35.01 | Tepel | IYF Anorexic Women! |
| 17:35.13 | NightHawkTheSane | iyf? |
| 17:35.21 | cog|work | in your face imo |
| 17:35.26 | Tepel | uhuh |
| 17:35.36 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.46 | Lopeppeppy | We get sick of you and kill you. |
| 17:36.01 | davis | no woman ever died of heartache. its a fact. |
| 17:36.02 | Tepel | By use of poison |
| 17:36.18 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm, rat bait soup. |
| 17:36.23 | Tepel | davis: I doubt that |
| 17:36.46 | davis | nah, its a fact. |
| 17:36.59 | Lopeppeppy | *rolls eyes* Like I said, we murder you. |
| 17:36.59 | NightHawkTheSane | im going to go with Lopeppeppy's suggestion |
| 17:37.06 | cog|work | i read or heard something recently suggesting an evolutionary benefit to having men die off early and making women infirtile (menopause) to help raise their grandchildren |
| 17:37.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd be sick of me and murder me by now too |
| 17:38.20 | Tepel | Haven't reached that stage yet |
| 17:38.28 | Tepel | Others might have |
| 17:38.38 | Tepel | Noone is willing to "pull the trigger" though |
| 17:38.47 | Tepel | I'm still here! |
| 17:39.26 | Tepel | Bah, had too much sugar |
| 17:40.10 | cog|work | did you know there's nothing but anecdotal evidence that sugar actually causes hyperactivity? |
| 17:40.31 | Tepel | Maybe not hyper activity, but definatly more activity |
| 17:41.09 | Tepel | Besides, ADHD is solved by a smack to the head |
| 17:41.15 | cog|work | There was one study that was supposedly testing kids to see if they got a sugar rush, but actually they were testing the parents. The parents who were told their kids got sugar said their kids were more hyper than the parents who were told their kids got placebo |
| 17:41.24 | cog|work | Tepel: and better educators |
| 17:42.02 | Tepel | "Child abuse! Child abuse!" , child abuse my ass, the child needs to learn to behave! |
| 17:42.19 | cog|work | ... |
| 17:42.21 | Tepel | Carrot can only get's you so far |
| 17:43.28 | Tepel | cog|work: what I'm trying to say is, people frown upon parent that give their child a disciplinary tap on the head |
| 17:43.43 | Tepel | Which is odd, since it has worked for decades! |
| 17:43.50 | Bruners | Tepel: i dont think you have seen the real cases of ADHD |
| 17:44.08 | Tepel | I have |
| 17:44.18 | cog|work | by certain definitions of "worked" ... but yeah, if your kid's about to reach into the garbage disposal, might as well slap their hand... |
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| 17:44.48 | NightHawkTheSane | sesame street fighter: http://i.imgur.com/9OdmL.jpg |
| 17:45.08 | Bruners | Tepel: then you would know a smack in the head wont fix it |
| 17:45.18 | Tepel | Smack harder :P |
| 17:45.34 | Tepel | KO! dun dun dunnn! |
| 17:45.44 | cog|work | most cases of ADHD aren't real imo |
| 17:45.57 | Lopeppeppy | That might correct a temporary behavior, it takes more to correct the underlying condition. And therefore it's not the recommended temporary solution either, since it doesn't really contribute to overall improvement. |
| 17:46.01 | cog|work | just lazy parents, teachers, and doctors |
| 17:46.07 | Lopeppeppy | Although I agree with cog|work. |
| 17:46.32 | Tepel | Yes yes, disciplinary taps are just one tool |
| 17:46.37 | Tepel | There are more |
| 17:46.45 | Lopeppeppy | There are better. |
| 17:46.48 | kdtresh | it's hard when it's a condition completely defined by symptoms and speculation |
| 17:46.54 | Tepel | Depends on the situation |
| 17:47.03 | Tepel | You can't always reason with a kid |
| 17:47.26 | NightHawkTheSane | and people wonder why i dont want to have kids. |
| 17:47.45 | cog|work | percussive discipline is not the only alternative to reason |
| 17:47.56 | Tepel | There's the carrot |
| 17:48.20 | Bruners | ADHD is not just kids behaving bad... |
| 17:48.22 | kdtresh | don't want to teach them to expect a reward all the time though |
| 17:48.30 | Lopeppeppy | I will seriously never have kids! |
| 17:48.34 | cog|work | ^ |
| 17:48.43 | Tepel | Exactly, which is why I said the carrot can only get you so far |
| 17:48.56 | cog|work | so false trichotomy, then... |
| 17:48.59 | davis | i have two sons. we play wow together. it rocks. |
| 17:49.13 | kdtresh | my little guy's almost 2, i probably haven't gotten into the rough part yet |
| 17:49.25 | cog|work | carrot, smack, and reason aren't the only options either |
| 17:49.26 | Tepel | probably? |
| 17:49.37 | Tepel | cog|work: what else, psychological warfare? |
| 17:49.57 | davis | you can not imagine how happy I was when we got out of the Car Seat era. |
| 17:50.02 | kdtresh | Tepel: i have no other experience on which to base my observations |
| 17:50.18 | Tepel | kdtresh: you have yourself as a reference |
| 17:50.29 | kdtresh | i don't remember how terrible i was at 2 |
| 17:50.41 | cog|work | Tepel: i won't claim to have the answers... ask the parents who successfully raise kids without ever smacking them. |
| 17:50.44 | Tepel | But you know what you were like at 8-12 |
| 17:50.52 | cog|work | "successfully" |
| 17:51.02 | kdtresh | yes, but 8-12 isn't called "terrible" |
| 17:51.14 | Tepel | For the teachers they are :P |
| 17:51.29 | kdtresh | i'd like to think i was a pretty good kid |
| 17:51.45 | kdtresh | and i think my kid is pretty darn good too |
| 17:52.04 | cog|work | smacking your kids is more a sign of your own impatience than anything else |
| 17:52.16 | Tepel | I disagree |
| 17:52.19 | cog|work | except in cases of extreme urgency (like my garbage disposal example) |
| 17:52.58 | cog|work | so give a concrete example then... |
| 17:53.27 | Tepel | Like, nearly setting the house on fire? |
| 17:54.05 | kdtresh | define "smacking" |
| 17:54.09 | cog|work | if he's in the process of nearly setting the house on fire then that counts as urgent... after the fact it does nothing beneficial |
| 17:54.17 | alestane | Before, or after they nearly set the house on fire? |
| 17:54.58 | Tepel | hmmm |
| 17:55.29 | cog|work | and then it's more an act of restraint than punishement |
| 17:55.34 | Tepel | I guess urgency is the only thing that could warrant it |
| 17:56.21 | Tepel | I'm trying to recollect the stuff I did that resulted in disciplinary action |
| 17:56.36 | Tepel | But I can't really recollect anything |
| 17:57.24 | cog|work | recently i've been more and more of the opinion that punishment for its own sake is always a bad idea. Prevention, restitution, rehabilitation are fine, but punishment itself never really gets you anything useful |
| 17:57.27 | Lopeppeppy | I only really remember two spankings... once I rode my bicycle out into a busy road, once I was using a hammer on a shotgun shell because someone told me it was cool. Looking back, both were mostly because the adult was frightened, and the punishment was out of proportion. |
| 17:57.54 | davis | hammer, shotgun shell, shudder |
| 17:58.20 | cog|work | when the shell isn't in a barrel the potential damage is drastically reduced... |
| 17:58.34 | Tepel | It could still be deadly |
| 17:58.41 | cog|work | no doubt |
| 17:59.02 | kdtresh | Lopeppeppy: but did you ever do either again? |
| 17:59.30 | Tepel | I can only recall doing stuff that resulted in me hurting myself thus not warranting punishment |
| 17:59.40 | cog|work | question assumes end justifies means and that there wouldn't have been another way to achieve the same end |
| 18:00.33 | Lopeppeppy | kdtresh, I rode my bike everywhere. The shotgun shells, not so much, because it was stupid. |
| 18:00.57 | kdtresh | and did the spankings scar you for life? |
| 18:01.13 | Tepel | A little childhood drama builds character ... |
| 18:01.31 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:01.32 | cog|work | all experiences build character |
| 18:02.07 | cog|work | thing that pisses me off the most are the parents who smack their kids for smacking other kids |
| 18:02.20 | cog|work | that's a cycle that's probably never going to end |
| 18:02.46 | Lopeppeppy | If I remember it some 30 years later, yes, it's not a good thing to have had them the way I had them. |
| 18:02.53 | Lopeppeppy | is duly tackled |
| 18:03.11 | Tepel | I've never received a spanking |
| 18:03.21 | Tepel | Only a tap |
| 18:03.22 | kdtresh | i got swatted a few times |
| 18:03.27 | Tepel | swatted! |
| 18:03.35 | kdtresh | butts have built-in padding though |
| 18:03.36 | Tepel | That's what I was looking for |
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| 18:04.14 | Tepel | Well, mind were more of a near-miss kinda thing |
| 18:04.27 | kdtresh | and i remember trying to lay a guilt trip on my dad by claiming he hit me as hard as he could |
| 18:04.28 | Tepel | s/mind/mine/ |
| 18:04.42 | Tepel | Kids are assholes :P |
| 18:04.45 | kdtresh | heh |
| 18:04.52 | cog|work | no doubt :P |
| 18:04.57 | kdtresh | always have to look for the advantage |
| 18:05.16 | cog|work | and people shouldn't have kids until they internalize that fact... |
| 18:05.54 | cog|work | s/until they internalize that fact// imo |
| 18:06.03 | Tepel | :P |
| 18:06.27 | Tepel | The enviromental activists would like to have you cog|work |
| 18:06.27 | cog|work | especially not the kinds of people who are also the kinds of people who have 5+ kids |
| 18:07.06 | Tepel | I blame religion for that |
| 18:07.12 | cog|work | too |
| 18:07.18 | cog|work | but mostly evolution |
| 18:07.45 | Tepel | Which other mammal is able to reproduce nearly 100% of the year btw? |
| 18:08.08 | cog|work | we're still programmed to breed like monkeys because of high childhood mortality rates in our early millenia |
| 18:08.18 | cog|work | same for obesity |
| 18:08.39 | cog|work | gotta shovel in as much as you can when you have the chance! |
| 18:08.54 | cog|work | speaks from XP |
| 18:08.56 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:09.37 | kdtresh | i think it's more than our bodies are programmed to store anything extra, anticipating that we'll be short on food at some point |
| 18:09.44 | Tepel | Meh, fast metabolism ftw |
| 18:09.49 | kdtresh | rather than use what we need and dump the rest |
| 18:10.06 | cog|work | both, yep |
| 18:10.18 | cog|work | either change would solve it |
| 18:10.34 | kdtresh | it's a pretty simple machine, in actuality, mainly a broken feedback system |
| 18:10.35 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: re: obesity/eating, i've read some interesting stuff regarding how thats partially cultural |
| 18:10.38 | Tepel | It pisses of my sister though :P |
| 18:11.18 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, but the culture and environment often go hand-in-hand |
| 18:11.32 | NightHawkTheSane | true. |
| 18:13.28 | cog|work | and then you add in regional genetic variations on top of that |
| 18:13.29 | Tepel | bored ... |
| 18:14.11 | Tepel | Who here hates bio-engineered crops? |
| 18:14.23 | cog|work | not me! |
| 18:14.33 | alestane | I don't hate the idea but I'm suspicious of the implementation. |
| 18:14.37 | Lopeppeppy | Soylent green is people. |
| 18:14.45 | cog|work | i hate patents on genes |
| 18:14.58 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 18:15.00 | Tepel | How can you have a patent on something you discovered .. |
| 18:15.08 | cog|work | s/on genes// |
| 18:15.35 | Tepel | I don't hate patents |
| 18:15.45 | cog|work | s/patents/any artificial monopoly/ |
| 18:15.46 | Tepel | Merely some applications of them |
| 18:15.59 | Tepel | It needs more restrictions |
| 18:16.11 | cog|work | ~poke purl |
| 18:16.12 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind purl, pokes purl repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:16.34 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 18:16.34 | purl | thanks, Lopeppeppy |
| 18:17.16 | Tepel | Remove the patenting of ideas is one |
| 18:17.28 | alestane | Looking for some advice on the WC3 map editor...created a new map, placed a starting location, ran "Test Map" and got aborted due to some 4000 compile-time script errors. |
| 18:18.06 | Tepel | Patents have to be actively pursued, two |
| 18:18.17 | cog|work | all patents are on ideas. The specific arrangement of parts used to create some invention is very much an idea. If I have the same idea but you have a patent, i'm not allowed to implement it |
| 18:18.41 | Tepel | Patents have to be actively pursued, two <-- this would remove all trolls |
| 18:18.43 | cog|work | even if i did just as much work to come up with it |
| 18:19.08 | kdtresh | the problem is when people have patents that they have no plans to implement |
| 18:19.17 | Tepel | And depending on the sector reduce the length in which a patent is valid |
| 18:19.30 | cog|work | no, even if they implement it, everyone else is still beholden to their whims |
| 18:19.33 | Lopeppeppy | I am pondering a Netflix subscription... anyone have good/bad experiences to share? Esp. with streaming from them? |
| 18:19.35 | kdtresh | and the broken quota patent system |
| 18:20.03 | Tepel | software patents should be abolished |
| 18:20.14 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: My parents and in-laws both subscribe. My mother tried to get us into it but we don't have enough time dedicated to watching movies for it to make sense. |
| 18:20.14 | cog|work | what's so special about software? |
| 18:20.30 | Tepel | Costs are much lower |
| 18:20.31 | cog|work | special pleading imo |
| 18:20.45 | Tepel | Things get trivial really fast |
| 18:21.00 | cog|work | costs to implement, sure |
| 18:21.13 | cog|work | but that's not the point |
| 18:21.15 | kdtresh | Lopeppeppy: i've got the 8.99 plan, works great for me, but i don't stream the video |
| 18:21.24 | kdtresh | it helps that we have a netflix distribution hub in town |
| 18:22.02 | kdtresh | tv series on netflix are ftw |
| 18:22.06 | Lopeppeppy | I'd probably do more of the streaming than the ordering, I don't think a DVD will fit in my mailbox. |
| 18:22.12 | Lopeppeppy | For the TV series. :) |
| 18:23.07 | kdtresh | i don't think my home dsl is good enough for streaming |
| 18:23.19 | cog|work | patents are to protect and reimburse the cost of creation, not implementation |
| 18:23.32 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not sure mine is either, for this level of streaming. It handles Hulu decently though. |
| 18:24.01 | Lopeppeppy | I'm finding that browsing on their site is not actually very user friendly. Hmm. |
| 18:24.06 | Lunessa | Streaming requires IE - so there's that issue |
| 18:24.08 | Tepel | Fine then, abolish all patents for all I care! |
| 18:24.10 | cog|work | software and hardware applications can be similarly costly |
| 18:24.25 | cog|work | and neither of them REQUIRE patents to have the costs reimbursed |
| 18:24.26 | kdtresh | i've never actually logged onto their website, my wife handles our queue, lol |
| 18:24.40 | cog|work | Tepel: hear hear! |
| 18:24.41 | cog|work | :) |
| 18:24.58 | Tepel | But how do you get the cost of creation returned then? |
| 18:25.13 | Tepel | If they can just run off with your implementation |
| 18:25.16 | Lopeppeppy | Perhaps the search is better when you have member access, but I did a keyword search and not only does it not tell me how many results I got, but it doesn't organize the results in any way I can see. |
| 18:25.16 | cog|work | Tepel: ask all the companies who produce products without patenting them... |
| 18:25.32 | cog|work | you do a better job then everyone else |
| 18:26.02 | Tepel | A better job at implementing |
| 18:26.05 | cog|work | also, being first to market has tremendous advantages |
| 18:26.46 | kdtresh | cog|work: so if you design a widget through years of r&d, i can just copy it and compete with you? |
| 18:26.54 | Tepel | I guess having no patents opens up the corporate espionage market |
| 18:27.22 | cog|work | Tepel: assuming there are still trade secret and copyright laws, that wouldn't necessarily be so |
| 18:27.22 | Ackis | needs a netflix account |
| 18:27.31 | Tepel | Ahh yes copyright law |
| 18:27.40 | nevcairiel | copyright still protects your code, just not your ideas |
| 18:27.42 | cog|work | which needs its own huge makeover |
| 18:28.14 | Tepel | Ok different issue, software licensing |
| 18:28.31 | cog|work | kdtresh: you're thinking a bit narrowly... a lot of things would obviously have to change. That hypothetical is essentially invalid since it assumes all else stays the same |
| 18:28.32 | nevcairiel | software patents would kill opensource software so fast, it wouldn't be much fun. Glad that we kept those out of the EU :P |
| 18:28.45 | cog|work | the driving force behind some forms of R&D would shift |
| 18:28.53 | Tepel | As in, you're no longer an owner of something you bought, they merely let you use it |
| 18:29.03 | Lunessa | congratualtes Seerah on level 72 |
| 18:29.07 | Tepel | nevcairiel: nothing in the EU is stopping you from getting a patent on software |
| 18:29.11 | kdtresh | cog|work: but you said patents are there to protect the production side, not the idea side |
| 18:29.19 | Seerah | huggles Lunessa :) |
| 18:29.26 | cog|work | kdtresh: no ... the creation of the idea |
| 18:29.27 | Seerah | my Death Knight is 71.5 |
| 18:29.37 | cog|work | is what i meant |
| 18:29.44 | kdtresh | ah, not the creation of the product? |
| 18:29.49 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 18:29.50 | Lunessa | needs Seerah to play on Kirin Tor. |
| 18:29.54 | kdtresh | ah, my mistake then |
| 18:30.06 | cog|work | or mine for being slightly vague :P |
| 18:30.44 | Seerah | Lunessa: for the company or for the mad skillz? ;) |
| 18:31.06 | nevcairiel | Tepel: just that most EU member states don't actually recognize software patents :D |
| 18:31.09 | Lopeppeppy | Company and skillz are not exclusive! |
| 18:31.18 | Tepel | nevcairiel: a mere technicality |
| 18:31.26 | Lunessa | Mostly for the company. Grounding Totem doesn't care about your mad skillz if you're one of the hippest cats around. |
| 18:31.54 | nevcairiel | I believe it was turned down by like 95% when they tried to get it through |
| 18:32.04 | Seerah | I might have to join you guys ;) My guild disbanded, hubby transferred, and I don't have many people to talk to :( |
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| 18:32.21 | Tepel | Yours too? |
| 18:32.27 | Tepel | About the guild |
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| 18:32.38 | Lunessa | Please do. :D We haz a Cogwheel, a Mrs. Cogwheel and occasionally a Lopeppeppy and an alestane. |
| 18:32.39 | Tepel | Seems to happen a lot recently |
| 18:32.45 | Seerah | Tepel: yes |
| 18:32.48 | Lopeppeppy | Transfer, Seerah. We will loves you there. |
| 18:33.27 | Lopeppeppy | I have so many plots and plans for when I have two hands again, just you wait! |
| 18:33.27 | Seerah | I would has to pay to transfer both toons at least... |
| 18:33.27 | Lunessa | We haz a guild bank and a tabbard! (misspellings intentional) |
| 18:33.31 | Seerah | does is has a kitty? |
| 18:33.35 | Tepel | And being on Scarshield doesn't help either |
| 18:33.36 | Seerah | *ut |
| 18:33.38 | Seerah | *it |
| 18:33.50 | Lunessa | Seerah: We has kitty alts. |
| 18:33.50 | Seerah | sighs |
| 18:33.52 | Lopeppeppy | I have lots of kitties. |
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| 18:34.11 | Seerah | I have a kitty alt, too. that would be three toons to take off Alexstrasza |
| 18:34.50 | Lopeppeppy | Three toons is your own built-in support network of professions and playstyles and storage space! |
| 18:34.55 | Lunessa | X-Fer... You know you wants it. Do it one at a time if you like. :) We even promises to help you gets mad skillz. |
| 18:35.10 | Seerah | promise? |
| 18:35.19 | Lunessa | crosses his heart |
| 18:35.52 | Lopeppeppy | He does, Seerah. The man is a walking encyclopedia! |
| 18:36.26 | Seerah | I was thinking about transferring to my original server to be with those old friends. But we've kinda gone our separate ways, and I haven't played on that server for... 3 years? So, maybe I'll transfer to Kirin Tor, be with friends I actually talk to, and have fun with the game again |
| 18:36.32 | Seerah | and actually PLAY!!! O.O |
| 18:36.41 | Lunessa | OMG YES PLX |
| 18:36.43 | NightHawkTheSane | no wai. |
| 18:37.06 | Lunessa | Level you up, gear you up, take you to raids.. *nod*nod* |
| 18:37.16 | NightHawkTheSane | read that as rides. |
| 18:37.19 | Seerah | taps her fingers together, plotting a diabolical plot of a plan |
| 18:37.21 | Lunessa | We needs peoples. We especially needs peoples we likes. |
| 18:37.38 | cog|work | Tepel: kdtresh: I've actually done a lot of thinking about this. You could get a lot of the benefits of patents with existing contract law to prevent your customers from re-implementing or revealing how it works to others. If someone else implements it using the same technique and you can prove that they got their information illegally, you could likely get an injunction against them |
| 18:38.11 | Tepel | A no-compete clause |
| 18:38.17 | cog|work | but it would still allow others to profit from coming up with the same idea independently |
| 18:38.35 | Tepel | That wouldn't work for all types of software |
| 18:38.38 | kdtresh | cog|work: but how can you prove or disprove the fact that they came up with it independently? |
| 18:39.17 | kdtresh | cog|work: and in whose lap does that burden of proof land? |
| 18:39.19 | Tepel | cause how is microsoft supposed to protect their software for example? |
| 18:39.42 | Tepel | Or would you have me sign a contract ? |
| 18:39.52 | cog|work | Tepel: are you talking copyright or patent? |
| 18:40.05 | Tepel | copyright |
| 18:40.30 | cog|work | not what i'm talking about then ;) |
| 18:40.43 | Lopeppeppy | INAL incoming!!!!! |
| 18:41.13 | Tepel | Well you started about having clients sign contracts with a no-compete clause |
| 18:41.20 | Tepel | To protect your software |
| 18:41.53 | cog|work | kdtresh: 1) hence "a lot"; 2) exactly. I'd rather err on the side of less restrictions. 3) I don't know. If it ever came to pass, I'm sure there'd be many people much smarter than me thinking about the problem ;) |
| 18:41.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: you forgot an a. :P |
| 18:42.08 | cog|work | 4) other things would change |
| 18:42.20 | cog|work | (in unpredictable ways) |
| 18:42.57 | Tepel | Meh, basically |
| 18:43.05 | Tepel | Just OSS everything and it's sorted |
| 18:43.45 | Tepel | I wonder if that's possible |
| 18:43.53 | Tepel | To have a complete OSS software market |
| 18:44.07 | Tepel | Which is profitable |
| 18:44.26 | Tepel | Or at least, not making a loss |
| 18:44.34 | kdtresh | how? |
| 18:44.39 | cog|work | Tepel: in that case, most software houses would probably work on commission |
| 18:44.43 | kdtresh | miracle2122 |
| 18:44.46 | Tepel | That's what I'm wondering |
| 18:45.05 | Tepel | Yeah, thought about that |
| 18:45.07 | cog|work | which is exactly why i think we can get rid of patents too |
| 18:45.15 | Tepel | As in, pay me to do some stuff for you |
| 18:45.15 | cog|work | people can pay directly for the act of creation |
| 18:45.43 | kdtresh | but if you need a module for something, and you paid a bunch of money for it, would you be ok with everyone else getting it for free after it was written? |
| 18:45.51 | kdtresh | you foot the bill so everyone can enjoy it? |
| 18:46.04 | kdtresh | pretty generous of you |
| 18:46.06 | Tepel | Mentality change |
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| 18:46.23 | Tepel | "Hey guys, what about this idea, who's chipping in" |
| 18:46.53 | kdtresh | community-based stuff would definitely have that advantage |
| 18:47.06 | Tepel | But yeah, people are still greedy bastards |
| 18:47.06 | kdtresh | but the motivation is still iffy when you remove profit |
| 18:47.15 | cog|work | kdtresh: that's where alliances, foundations, universities and the like would step in. Forcing everything open-source should only apply to code released into the wild |
| 18:47.32 | Tepel | afk for tabacco! |
| 18:47.36 | Lunessa | I'd like to live in a world of enlightened self-interest. People make things and collect rewards for them because they want those things and people who also want those things are willing to give the inventor something. |
| 18:47.49 | Tepel | Lunessa: who wouldn't |
| 18:48.03 | Lunessa | But it's a sticky mess getting everyone to that mental state. And it only takes one or two who don't play nice to wreck it all. |
| 18:48.27 | Tepel | which brings me to my earlier remark. people are greedy bastards |
| 18:48.43 | kdtresh | you can usually expect people to be people |
| 18:48.48 | Tepel | Otherwise things like the lottery wouldn't exist |
| 18:49.00 | cog|work | Tax on people who can't do math 4tw! |
| 18:49.03 | Lunessa | No always. Just often it is difficult to see beyond their own immediate needs/desires/goals. |
| 18:49.05 | kdtresh | until we don't have to worry about paying the mortgage or buying food, money will be important |
| 18:49.41 | cog|work | longer than that... |
| 18:49.57 | cog|work | until people can spontaneously produce anything of value to them money will be important |
| 18:50.04 | Lunessa | kdtresh: Even then a medium of exchange will always be important. If we live in a world where you get everything for nothing, you encourage, rather than discourage bad behavior. |
| 18:50.18 | cog|work | replicators and practically limitless energy are the only things that will get us to that point |
| 18:50.29 | Lunessa | GIMMIE IT, I WANT IT, IT'S MINE |
| 18:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 18:51.12 | kdtresh | it's nice to have goals to strive for, a bigger house, a nicer car, better food |
| 18:51.13 | Lopeppeppy | Mine. |
| 18:52.06 | Seerah | quick! I need a good replacement name for Seerah |
| 18:52.09 | Seerah | stat |
| 18:52.24 | Lopeppeppy | Sierra! |
| 18:52.32 | cog|work | Siirah |
| 18:52.32 | Seerah | Sierra Mist? |
| 18:52.42 | kdtresh | she-ra, princess of power? |
| 18:53.03 | Lopeppeppy | Cera |
| 18:53.03 | Shirik | I like Cera |
| 18:53.03 | Seerah | kdtresh: that's *actually* part of how Seerah came to be ;) |
| 18:53.04 | cog|work | Petitesirah |
| 18:54.01 | Seerah | sierra and shera are taken |
| 18:54.24 | Seerah | siirah is taken |
| 18:54.29 | cog|work | Seeerah |
| 18:55.07 | kdtresh | seirah? |
| 18:55.08 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: and Shirik: when I see Cera, I hear "Sara". Cera was the name of the girl Triceratop in Land Before Time |
| 18:55.16 | kdtresh | shiira? |
| 18:55.19 | Lopeppeppy | Cira? |
| 18:55.46 | Seerah | cog|work: "you cannot use the same letter three times consecutively" |
| 18:56.21 | cog|work | lol |
| 18:56.21 | Seerah | cira is taken... |
| 18:56.27 | Shirik | should name yourself Shirika imo |
| 18:56.29 | cog|work | Sreeah |
| 18:57.20 | Seerah | Shirik: shirika is taken :p |
| 18:57.38 | Lopeppeppy | Seera? |
| 18:57.44 | Tepel | Zeerah? |
| 18:57.49 | kdtresh | tseerah? |
| 18:57.51 | Tepel | Zebrah |
| 18:57.55 | Shirik | wtf @ shirika |
| 18:57.59 | Shirik | someone wants to be my wife I think |
| 18:58.07 | Lopeppeppy | looks around |
| 18:58.11 | cog|work | Lilseerah |
| 18:58.17 | Seerah | We have a winner! |
| 18:58.25 | Seerah | Tseerah was not taken |
| 18:58.40 | Cogwillie | flutters cog|work |
| 18:58.44 | Seerah | rofl |
| 18:59.09 | cog|work | frees Cogwillie |
| 18:59.19 | Adys | now that's timing |
| 19:00.10 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 19:00.13 | Seerah | and my other two toon names were not taken :) |
| 19:00.15 | Seerah | cheers |
| 19:00.28 | cog|work | You'z on KT nao? |
| 19:00.37 | Lopeppeppy | *squeeeeeeee* |
| 19:00.43 | cog|work | i has /ginvite... |
| 19:01.51 | Seerah | cog|work: not yet |
| 19:01.58 | cog|work | just reserving names? |
| 19:02.01 | Seerah | was checking/saving names |
| 19:02.07 | Seerah | yep. gonna mail things off of my bank alt |
| 19:02.20 | Seerah | stupid bags now soulbound... /mutter /grumble |
| 19:02.23 | Lopeppeppy | Takes some time for these processes, but maybe we'll see you over the weekend! |
| 19:02.28 | Seerah | I need those on my DK :p |
| 19:02.34 | Lopeppeppy | If the doctor doesn't do drastic stuff to my hand, rawr. |
| 19:02.41 | Seerah | :D |
| 19:03.34 | Tepel | Bah, I want my borderlands copy! |
| 19:07.23 | Lunessa | RAWR! |
| 19:07.49 | Lopeppeppy | Very rawr. |
| 19:09.16 | Lunessa | Now I just need to get one of the people here at work to finish her courses for the semester and faction-change+X-fer. :) |
| 19:10.50 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, a local person-girl? |
| 19:10.59 | Lopeppeppy | You have a lot of girls in your guild, how did you manage that? |
| 19:11.28 | cog|work | somehow i've always been in guilds with a lot of girls |
| 19:11.54 | Tepel | cog|work: Do you have by any chance a really femenine side? |
| 19:12.10 | Tepel | spelling probably |
| 19:12.21 | cog|work | does girls not asking me out in high school because they thought i was gay count? |
| 19:12.32 | Lopeppeppy | I've met Cog, he's not a girly-man |
| 19:13.04 | Lunessa | Cog is not girly. Lunessa is not girly. I just know lots of "geeky" girls. RAWR |
| 19:13.15 | Tepel | hehe |
| 19:13.24 | cog|work | btw: choir & drama: great way to pick up chicks ;) |
| 19:13.27 | cog|work | married my last one... |
| 19:13.51 | Tepel | Can't sing, though drama would be an option |
| 19:14.01 | kdtresh | i married one of the three girls in the cs department, lol |
| 19:14.05 | Lopeppeppy | Dance lessons are the way to my heart. |
| 19:14.13 | Tepel | Can't dance either |
| 19:14.16 | cog|work | kdtresh: score |
| 19:14.22 | cog|work | in my first CS class, there were about 8 girls |
| 19:14.28 | cog|work | in my second there were 3 |
| 19:14.31 | cog|work | and in my third 1 |
| 19:14.35 | Lopeppeppy | I'm taking a dance class now, it's very dreamy |
| 19:14.35 | Tepel | 0, 0 and currently still 0 |
| 19:14.36 | kdtresh | heh, that's about how it goes |
| 19:14.41 | Lunessa | I know this married couple, they met in college - she was the only female in the CS program. |
| 19:14.50 | kdtresh | one of them actually changed majors TO cs from civil engineering though |
| 19:15.13 | Tepel | It's depressing really |
| 19:15.22 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: mrs cog wishes your hand the best |
| 19:16.00 | Lunessa | She recently completed her PHD and holds patents on some amazing new tech for cameras to replace human eyes. |
| 19:16.20 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks for sending that along, Cog. I'm awful nervous about the appointment. |
| 19:17.20 | Lunessa | huggles the Lopeppeppy |
| 19:17.28 | cog|work | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 19:17.29 | purl | ACTION hugs Lopeppeppy tightly until Lopeppeppy turns slightly blue |
| 19:18.03 | cog|work | you might be a redneck if you ever trained for a wet t-shirt contest |
| 19:18.33 | mikma | how long can the playernames be in wow? |
| 19:20.05 | cog|work | ~google wow player name length |
| 19:20.31 | Lopeppeppy | 12 char? |
| 19:20.56 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.12 | Lopeppeppy | http://wowvault.ign.com/faq/index.php?category=3#3_0_8 |
| 19:21.41 | haste | so much for their last name feature! |
| 19:23.20 | Lunessa | I really had mixed feelings about EQs "last name" feature. Having to get to level 20, and then waiting for a GM - later they added a slash command for it, but still it sucked. |
| 19:23.37 | Tepel | Is there a limit on how much money a character can carry? <-- They say no, but that's untrue! |
| 19:23.53 | cog|work | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/wow/faq/faq_characters.html |
| 19:24.16 | Tepel | hehe |
| 19:24.49 | haste | Lunessa: the old limit was absurbed tho' |
| 19:24.53 | haste | (high that is) |
| 19:25.16 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 19:25.36 | cog|work | just add global tab-complete and let people put a space in their name imo |
| 19:26.00 | Tepel | s/ a / one / |
| 19:26.42 | cog|work | same semantics imo |
| 19:27.20 | haste | or cog|work.. let's not add it at all :D |
| 19:27.37 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN |
| 19:27.42 | haste | the title system they added instead is annoying enough |
| 19:27.50 | Lunessa | Or just imply that all players are related by getting the Jenkins title. |
| 19:27.51 | Tepel | Then we'd have a whole new range of legalasses |
| 19:28.17 | Tepel | s/lega/lego/ |
| 19:28.24 | cog|work | that's why i encourage everyone to be naming nazis ;) |
| 19:28.58 | haste | cog|work: so you would report my names then :( ? |
| 19:29.06 | cog|work | The Morton Cogwheels of the world shouldn't suffer because of the Legolahss Pwnsjoo |
| 19:29.51 | cog|work | haste: for haste? probably not... |
| 19:30.13 | haste | I have: Haste, Otravi, Yaranaika, Darashinaina |
| 19:30.18 | Tepel | off to eat cake and congratulate someone, but mostly for the cake |
| 19:30.25 | haste | I'm obviously refering to the two last :P |
| 19:30.45 | cog|work | well i don't recognize them so no :P |
| 19:31.07 | haste | har har har >:3 |
| 19:31.12 | Tepel | weeaboo! |
| 19:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | haste: even if they were references to somethingm, they dont look obviously and/or painfully misspelled >< |
| 19:31.59 | Tepel | He's a weeaboo |
| 19:32.14 | haste | NightHawkTheSane: google the first one :D |
| 19:32.14 | cog|work | gets the feeling he shouldn't look them up |
| 19:32.25 | Tepel | Well, they're not that bad |
| 19:32.35 | NightHawkTheSane | WoW needs a menu item for "report idiotic name" in their player right-click menues |
| 19:32.52 | NightHawkTheSane | haste: given that i'm at work.. no. :) |
| 19:33.07 | Tepel | By alts are in the guild "Kinishinaide" |
| 19:33.07 | haste | hehe |
| 19:33.18 | Tepel | Which translates to Nevermind |
| 19:33.34 | Tepel | Suitable for alts |
| 19:33.42 | Tepel | weeaboo's ftw! |
| 19:34.12 | Lunessa | Yeah, but my main's name is "Unkle" |
| 19:34.42 | Tepel | Oh right, cake |
| 19:34.45 | Tepel | bai-bee |
| 19:39.04 | NightHawkTheSane | I recently transferred back to my original realm... i had to change my character's name because an old guildy created a character with that name (with my permission), but his account is no longer active. :( |
| 19:40.11 | haste | NightHawkTheSane: ask a GM to have it back :P |
| 19:40.19 | haste | it's possible if it hasn't been used for a while |
| 19:40.32 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* |
| 19:40.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i kind of like the new name i chose. |
| 19:40.56 | cog|work | haste: is it? I'd be pretty pissed if my name had been changed when i resubbed... |
| 19:41.55 | Gnarfoz | it isn't |
| 19:43.11 | haste | it is, but it requires a while |
| 19:43.30 | cog|work | doesn't buy it |
| 19:44.04 | NightHawkTheSane | fun story: a friend of mine created a character on a realm (Lightbringer?) shortly after wow's release. He never played it much, i dont think it was higher than level 15ish. The other week he said he got an email from blizzard saying the name "had had prior use" and was renamed with an x on the end, and would be forced to rename before logging in again. |
| 19:44.13 | nevcairiel | they will do it if the name you want has been unused long enough, ie, inactive |
| 19:49.33 | Duman | hmm |
| 19:51.55 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: try telling that to Daemona some time ;D |
| 19:52.29 | Shirik | Daemona? |
| 19:53.56 | Gnarfoz | in #wowace: nevcairiel, daemona; not in #wowace: shirik; not in #wowuidev: daemona ;p |
| 19:54.05 | Shirik | I'm in #wowace :/ |
| 19:54.10 | Shirik | I'm +v in #wowace :/ |
| 19:54.18 | Gnarfoz | bah and I even looked beforehand |
| 19:54.30 | Shirik | I just never talk there |
| 19:55.12 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: I actually managed to get "Adys" on bloodhoof |
| 19:55.16 | Adys | until recently I was Addys |
| 19:55.29 | Adys | I was Adys on my former realm since almost a year pre release |
| 19:55.44 | Adys | s/since/and for/ |
| 19:56.15 | Adys | had a long conversation with the gm; Adys wasnt level 10, not logged for months if not years |
| 19:56.18 | Adys | ended up getting the name |
| 19:56.24 | Gnarfoz | well, if you just not talk there, that suggests you read there ;) anyway, he's in one a world top20 something guild and when they changed servers (via PCT, afaik), someone apparently didn't keep their trap shut and some kiddies blocked half of their names and the guild name |
| 19:56.57 | Adys | people in my guild went "Wtf, you paid 10 euros for a 'd'?" |
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| 20:00.20 | Shirik | I wish google would stop trying to convert "insitu" to "in situ" |
| 20:00.25 | Duman | rad: http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/10/d-and-d-microsoft-surface/ |
| 20:00.26 | Shirik | really screwing up my searches |
| 20:00.37 | Duman | oh I'm 4 hours late apparently |
| 20:00.46 | Duman | should have chcked scrollback first ;) |
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| 20:03.06 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: what are you searching for with "insitu" as a search term? |
| 20:04.28 | mikma | wobwork: need name for my addon! |
| 20:04.46 | mikma | wobwork: http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_102209_195719.jpg <- the hysteria + name over the chat |
| 20:05.19 | olafski | http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7038/screenshot405.jpg <-- could anyone tell me which addon it is that shows the numbers over the action bar buttons, which show how much (estimated) those spells heal for? |
| 20:06.53 | Gnarfoz | mikma: what does it do? |
| 20:07.32 | Gnarfoz | olafski: only addon I know that does that useless thing is DrDamage, but to my knowledge that's not being maintained anymore... might be wrong though seeing that it's being used at AA |
| 20:07.33 | mikma | gnarfoz: drag and drop a spell and type a name -> click the spell and it casts it to the name |
| 20:08.01 | Gnarfoz | neat |
| 20:08.03 | olafski | thanks gnarfoz I'll have a look :) |
| 20:08.16 | olafski | gnarfoz: "drdamage is up to date for 3.2.2" :) |
| 20:08.31 | mikma | gnarfoz: Hysteria for dk's, innervate for druids, misdirect for hunters, etc |
| 20:08.40 | Gnarfoz | basically automated generation of a button w/ macrotext instead of editing my macro over and over |
| 20:09.33 | Gnarfoz | suggestion: YouThere! |
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| 20:10.36 | Gnarfoz | OverHerePlease ("... with that spell") |
| 20:10.40 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 20:11.03 | Gnarfoz | LazyButton |
| 20:11.21 | Stanzilla | TakeThat! |
| 20:11.22 | Gnarfoz | nah, it'd have to do remembering and perhaps auto-guessing to deserver "lazy" in the name |
| 20:11.24 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 20:11.36 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: I see we're thinking alike today. :D |
| 20:11.50 | Stanzilla | :) |
| 20:14.00 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/219935498 |
| 20:16.53 | Shirik | ok |
| 20:16.56 | Shirik | Naming question |
| 20:17.05 | Shirik | A query with parameters is called a "parameterized query" |
| 20:17.17 | Shirik | A query with access restrictions is called a "restricted query" |
| 20:17.22 | Shirik | what do you call a query with a WHERE clause? |
| 20:17.38 | Legorol | location query? :o) |
| 20:17.44 | Legorol | ducks |
| 20:17.59 | jnwhiteh | well, a parameterized query is an implementation thing.. not a conceptual thing. |
| 20:18.02 | krka | a normal query |
| 20:18.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: its a query. |
| 20:18.18 | krka | a querying query |
| 20:18.32 | Lunessa | a query is a query is a query - except when it's not? |
| 20:18.33 | krka | a query without a where is just a complete data retrieve |
| 20:19.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: or, alternately, "parameterized" and "restricted" provide meta-data about the query, either implementation, or limitations, that are not implicit in the query itself. |
| 20:20.22 | Shirik | yes this is an implementation thing :) |
| 20:20.25 | krka | a car bought second hand is called a "used car", a car with insurance is called an "insured car". what do you call a car with an engine? |
| 20:20.31 | Shirik | it's like this |
| 20:20.36 | Shirik | I have a "SelectQuery" object |
| 20:20.41 | krka | car analogies are ftw |
| 20:20.50 | Shirik | I want to mix in things like restrictions, or perhaps a "where" clause |
| 20:21.00 | Shirik | it becomes a RestrictedQuery, a ParameterizedQuery, etc. |
| 20:21.37 | Shirik | now that I think about it I don't think I want to do that nm |
| 20:21.41 | krka | FilteredQuery? |
| 20:22.02 | Shirik | ooh good name |
| 20:22.04 | NightHawkTheSane | FilteredSelectQuery, more appropriately |
| 20:22.05 | Shirik | but I gave up on this anyway :D |
| 20:22.12 | NightHawkTheSane | to differentiate from, say, FilteredUpdateQuery |
| 20:22.16 | NightHawkTheSane | or FilteredDeleteQuery |
| 20:22.32 | krka | i'd do those orthogonally |
| 20:23.13 | Shirik | well I'm using the mixin design pattern so |
| 20:23.17 | Shirik | you could make anything you want |
| 20:23.32 | krka | q = Query(aType, aFilter, aSource, aColumnChooser) |
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| 20:23.51 | krka | i'd use decorator pattern i think |
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| 20:25.32 | Shirik | hm |
| 20:25.37 | Shirik | actually |
| 20:25.42 | Shirik | that's how I'm doing the "filters" now |
| 20:25.45 | Shirik | they're decorators |
| 20:26.26 | Shirik | though I didn't call them decorators :) |
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| 20:26.37 | Shirik | I think krka would hate me if he saw this design |
| 20:26.42 | Shirik | it is everything that Java is not |
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| 20:28.40 | krka | now i'm interested |
| 20:28.42 | krka | can i see it? |
| 20:29.07 | Shirik | sure |
| 20:29.12 | Shirik | just give me a sec to finish up what I'm doing |
| 20:29.13 | Thunder_Child | hell no |
| 20:29.34 | Shirik | you can read UML? |
| 20:29.44 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs |
| 20:29.52 | NightHawkTheSane | copy/pasting code is bad, mmmkay |
| 20:29.59 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:30.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i found and solved like three bugs because of one copy paste error repeated 3 times |
| 20:31.14 | krka | sure i can read uml |
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| 20:48.52 | Lunessa | My life just ended - http://mashable.com/2009/10/22/civilization-facebook/ |
| 20:49.04 | foxlit | You mean to say you were alive? |
| 20:49.44 | Lunessa | foxlit: Perhaps I shouldhave said "my unlife just ended" |
| 20:50.12 | foxlit | But wouldn't that mean that your life started? |
| 20:54.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: that makes me sad |
| 20:55.01 | cog|work | bleh only 4/20 masks |
| 20:55.02 | Lunessa | Civ - I still lose weekends to it. |
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| 20:57.28 | NightHawkTheSane | you know they have network civ already, yeh? |
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| 20:58.45 | Shirik | sorry krka I ran into a design problem :) |
| 20:58.48 | Shirik | trying to resolve it :) |
| 20:58.53 | Shirik | let me show you what I have so far |
| 20:59.45 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: CivNET sucked, and I haven't really played multiplayer in Cvi II, CivIII or CivIV |
| 21:00.14 | Shirik | krka: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/0ca791cab277805f8f018c0da92456cf.jpg |
| 21:00.22 | Lunessa | I do have "Play the World" I just .. don't. |
| 21:00.42 | Shirik | my problem still revolves around the QueryDecorator() and how to allow configuration of the WHERE clauses (and JOINs for that matter) |
| 21:00.52 | Lunessa | But Civ on FB means I could play *cough*at work*cough* |
| 21:02.10 | alestane | is getting very frustrated with the WC3 editor. |
| 21:02.20 | krka | doesn't seem like your decorators aren't really decorators |
| 21:02.24 | krka | err |
| 21:02.29 | krka | remove one of the negations |
| 21:02.58 | Shirik | which one's that? |
| 21:03.01 | Shirik | er |
| 21:03.04 | Shirik | you don't think they are? |
| 21:03.05 | Shirik | why not? |
| 21:03.10 | Shirik | they decorate the query |
| 21:03.20 | Shirik | what would just be "SELECT 1" becomes "SELECT 1 WHERE foo" |
| 21:03.31 | Shirik | or "SELECT 1 INNER JOIN 2 WHERE foo" |
| 21:03.33 | Shirik | arbitrarily long |
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| 21:04.02 | Shirik | I guess I'm not strictly following the pattern, you're right |
| 21:04.24 | Shirik | the pattern would say I have a function called deccorate to do it |
| 21:04.29 | Shirik | whereas I'm currently relying on the base class to do it |
| 21:04.38 | Shirik | actually, I think that might resolve some of my issues (like the operator += that I hate) |
| 21:04.43 | Shirik | and GetPrecedence |
| 21:05.08 | Shirik | ToString():string would become Decorate(string):string |
| 21:05.55 | krka | basically a decorator should extend an interface and also delegate method calls to its own member, which is also of that interface |
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| 21:06.01 | cog|work | Lunessa: just got another squashling ;) |
| 21:06.12 | cog|work | on a character who actually needed it too |
| 21:06.13 | Lunessa | Haha... Too bad you can't do anything with them. |
| 21:06.19 | Lunessa | Oh that's nice. :) |
| 21:06.21 | krka | so you could do stuff like new LikeQuery(new WhereQuery(..)) |
| 21:06.32 | NightHawkTheSane | is so glad he finished -evrything- for that holiday |
| 21:06.35 | alestane | I cleared "Hallowed be thy Name" yesterday. |
| 21:06.56 | NightHawkTheSane | (ok, not everything, i didnt get all the masks. fuck that achievement) |
| 21:07.01 | Shirik | krka: I'm... not sure that's how I see the Decorator pattern |
| 21:07.02 | haste | still missing the helm here |
| 21:07.06 | Shirik | I would see |
| 21:07.14 | alestane | Lucked out and got a squashling, then got my last two costumes. |
| 21:07.16 | cog|work | cogwheel needs the helm |
| 21:07.22 | Shirik | (new WhereQuery())->AddDecorator(new LikeDecorator()) |
| 21:07.30 | krka | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decorator_pattern |
| 21:07.36 | alestane | And my DK picked up the helm and the sword in the same set of runs. |
| 21:07.40 | krka | in my world "addDecorator" is a silly concept |
| 21:07.48 | Shirik | right |
| 21:07.53 | alestane | Don't have the horseman's mount yet though. |
| 21:07.54 | Shirik | and in their example you dispatch to draw() |
| 21:07.56 | krka | or even a wrong concept |
| 21:08.12 | Shirik | hm |
| 21:08.16 | Shirik | maybe I need to break out my GoF book |
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| 21:08.18 | Shirik | brb |
| 21:10.34 | foxlit | haste: that makes two of us. |
| 21:11.00 | foxlit | I'm contemplating offering GMs squashlings as a fair trade. |
| 21:11.35 | haste | I've gotten like two of the squashlings extra :p |
| 21:11.41 | foxlit | same. |
| 21:11.43 | cog|work | same |
| 21:13.03 | Shirik | krka: I see where I've gone astray |
| 21:14.48 | Shirik | actually krka thanks for pointing thsi out |
| 21:14.51 | Shirik | I think this will make things a lot easier |
| 21:15.25 | Shirik | I knew I was doing something wrong :) |
| 21:15.31 | Shirik | I was losing type safety half way through my design |
| 21:15.33 | Shirik | and couldn't pass it back up |
| 21:17.00 | krka | i am not saying that decorators are appropiate in your design, just that what you have aren't decorators |
| 21:17.23 | Shirik | I agree |
| 21:17.24 | krka | i'd use decorators for combining boolean expressions i think |
| 21:17.27 | Shirik | I confused it with another design pattern |
| 21:17.33 | Shirik | I do think decorators are a good design |
| 21:17.37 | Shirik | because it eliminates the problems I've been hitting |
| 21:17.39 | krka | AndDecorator(queryA, queryB) |
| 21:17.53 | Shirik | (Like I said, I was hitting a problem when I showed you that design) |
| 21:17.58 | krka | right |
| 21:19.34 | Shirik | hm no I just hit another problem |
| 21:19.35 | Shirik | blah |
| 21:20.22 | NeoTron | notes that Amazon.com had a nice quarter. |
| 21:20.38 | Shirik | I can't force the Decorator base class to be a ParameterizedQuery |
| 21:20.53 | Shirik | but I need it to act like a ParameterizedQuery if we're dealing with a ParameterizedQuery |
| 21:21.27 | Shirik | this is a fun design problem |
| 21:21.33 | Shirik | how to model an SQL query in an OO language |
| 21:21.45 | krka | meh, it's a solved problem |
| 21:21.49 | Shirik | it is |
| 21:21.54 | Shirik | but not by me :P |
| 21:22.02 | krka | https://www.hibernate.org/hib_docs/v3/api/org/hibernate/Criteria.html |
| 21:22.05 | clever | Shirik: i store the main wheres in an array |
| 21:22.18 | Shirik | that is a horrible solution |
| 21:22.22 | Shirik | (@ clever) |
| 21:22.22 | clever | Shirik: and them merge it seperated by AND/OR and wrapped by () |
| 21:22.42 | Shirik | that's what I was going for, Kraftman |
| 21:22.44 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 21:22.45 | clever | it lets my dynamicly add more, and then build the query |
| 21:22.45 | Shirik | krka! |
| 21:22.46 | Shirik | omg |
| 21:22.51 | Kraftman | :o |
| 21:22.51 | Shirik | no it doesn't clever |
| 21:23.01 | Kraps | Shirik: |
| 21:23.02 | Shirik | it lets you until you need to extend functionality |
| 21:23.07 | Shirik | and then you die |
| 21:23.22 | clever | Shirik: most of the code is a collection of several conditions AND'd or OR'd together |
| 21:23.30 | krka | WhereStatement has a Condition, AndCondition extends Condition (decorator), OrCondition extends Condition (decorator), EqualsCondition extends Condition (not a decorator) |
| 21:23.34 | clever | conditions that arent always there |
| 21:23.38 | Shirik | How do you represent the condition, clever? |
| 21:23.50 | clever | $wheres[] = 'column1 == "bar"'; |
| 21:23.55 | Shirik | ah that's an interesting solution krka |
| 21:23.59 | Shirik | clever: Horrible solution |
| 21:24.05 | Shirik | Prone to attack |
| 21:24.09 | krka | it's php.... of course it's horrible |
| 21:24.22 | clever | Shirik: why? |
| 21:24.30 | clever | Shirik: aslong as you cant set $wheres, i'm safe |
| 21:24.32 | Shirik | because you are letting people specify arbitrary strings |
| 21:24.37 | Kraps | hey guys http://www.barnesandnoble.com/nook/index.asp?r=1&IF=N&cds2Pid=30919&cm_mmc=Little%20Green%20Footballs-_-Nook%20E-Book%20Reader-_-k235195-_-j29135720 |
| 21:24.41 | Shirik | I am not allowing arbitrary strings |
| 21:24.48 | clever | Shirik: all the things i append to the array are server controled strings |
| 21:24.52 | foxlit | Shirik is defending the application from itself. |
| 21:24.57 | A-KO | at some point or another users are going to have to be able to enter data |
| 21:24.58 | A-KO | :P |
| 21:25.02 | Shirik | I'm defending the application from another system |
| 21:25.17 | Shirik | I do not authorize the external system to give me arbitrary strings |
| 21:25.19 | krka | a good api makes it safe by default |
| 21:25.28 | krka | adding random strings is not that :P |
| 21:25.33 | clever | Shirik: if ($_GET[something]) $wheres[] = 'something = "'.mysql_real_escape_string($_GET[something]).'"'; |
| 21:25.37 | clever | Shirik: see the basic idea? |
| 21:25.44 | Shirik | I don't think you do, clever |
| 21:25.52 | clever | it only allows certain (pre-defined) conditions, and only includes them when needed |
| 21:25.55 | Shirik | I think krka is with me, if I understood him correctly |
| 21:26.00 | krka | yes and no |
| 21:26.19 | krka | i think the string solution is ugly, but it _can_ be made safe with more ugly code |
| 21:26.22 | Shirik | anyway I like that solution |
| 21:26.34 | krka | and very restricted |
| 21:26.35 | Shirik | the part I was missing was the conditions aren't decorators |
| 21:26.40 | Shirik | the things that join conditions are decorators |
| 21:26.55 | krka | or not very restricted, but then you need a smart parser instead |
| 21:26.59 | krka | well, not just join |
| 21:27.13 | Shirik | well this was just an example :) |
| 21:27.13 | krka | NegationCondition only takes on condition as parameter |
| 21:27.18 | krka | *one |
| 21:27.18 | Shirik | right |
| 21:27.30 | krka | but and and or jons |
| 21:27.32 | krka | *joins |
| 21:28.00 | krka | the nice thing about this is that the clean design makes almost all of the code trivial to write |
| 21:28.22 | Shirik | right |
| 21:28.27 | Shirik | it also abstracts it |
| 21:28.33 | Shirik | SQL syntax is not standard (even though it tries to be) |
| 21:28.48 | Shirik | external components will not have to rewrite themselves when the database changes |
| 21:28.50 | Shirik | only the interface does |
| 21:28.59 | krka | pseudocode: AndCondition::getString() { return "(" + a->getString() + ") AND (" + b->getString() + ")"; } |
| 21:29.10 | Shirik | yeah |
| 21:29.20 | Shirik | I like this solution |
| 21:30.01 | Lunessa | Yay... my phone extension at work is broken! |
| 21:30.07 | Shirik | praises krka |
| 21:32.11 | krka | not sure how you'd do parametrized with that though |
| 21:32.39 | Shirik | I already got that figured out actually |
| 21:32.51 | Shirik | I think I'm going to take GoF's recommendation #2 though |
| 21:33.00 | krka | probably not needed i suppose, you'd just do: EqualsCondition takes Value a, Value b. StringValue extends Value |
| 21:33.01 | Shirik | "Omitting the abstract Decorator class" |
| 21:33.10 | krka | StringValue::GetString() { return |
| 21:33.13 | Shirik | I can't see a purpose for it |
| 21:33.25 | krka | StringValue::GetString() { return "'" + escape(value); "'"; } |
| 21:33.48 | Shirik | you can push that down to the concrete decorator |
| 21:34.00 | krka | yeah you don't need an abstract decorator class |
| 21:34.03 | krka | you just need a good interface |
| 21:34.16 | Shirik | the important part is that the decorators extend the object they're decorating |
| 21:34.24 | krka | well, sort of |
| 21:34.32 | Shirik | well that's required for functionality |
| 21:34.36 | krka | I have a good real world example |
| 21:34.36 | krka | jus ta sec |
| 21:35.01 | clever | Shirik: one thing i think ive done before with my string method, to make it more flexible |
| 21:35.16 | clever | i basicaly store things that act like 'condition objects' into the session |
| 21:35.37 | clever | which contain both the sql text, and codes that can be used to render its effect |
| 21:35.56 | clever | the page would list each one as the applied conditions |
| 21:36.55 | krka | Shirik: here are three different real world decorators for a project i'm doing http://java.pastey.net/126949 |
| 21:37.26 | krka | note that they are all generated with a template depending on the actual interface, but the theory is the same |
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| 21:42.58 | krka | actually, i guess one of them is technically a composition |
| 21:45.54 | Shirik | you need a composition for the pattern |
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| 21:47.47 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. death metal banana nut bread http://www.flickr.com/photos/dainethemain/3240358268/sizes/m/ |
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| 21:53.45 | cog|work | hallowed be my name |
| 21:56.14 | Dashkal | Gief squashling. It's the only thing I have left for that title... |
| 21:57.37 | Lunessa | cog|work: Your SQL Queries Be Run, your Outer-Joins be done? |
| 21:58.37 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck outer joines |
| 21:58.39 | NightHawkTheSane | -e |
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| 22:00.15 | Shirik | I got this krka |
| 22:00.16 | Shirik | I got this |
| 22:00.18 | Shirik | it's sick |
| 22:00.24 | krka | ? |
| 22:00.28 | Shirik | the design :) |
| 22:00.47 | Shirik | I still haven't handled joins |
| 22:00.52 | Shirik | but I might handle it in a similar fashion |
| 22:01.39 | Shirik | the only thing I don't particularly like is I would have liked to decorate the queries themselves |
| 22:01.52 | Shirik | unfortunately the decorator and mixin pattern don't go together very well |
| 22:02.54 | krka | design is hard :( |
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| 22:03.20 | Shirik | better to pay the cost at design phase than implementation phase |
| 22:03.23 | Shirik | (or worse, maintenance phase) |
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| 22:05.45 | cog|work | now all i need are the fsking masks |
| 22:06.28 | Shirik | are JOIN operations only used in SELECT queries? |
| 22:06.32 | Shirik | I can't think of any other situation they're used in |
| 22:06.43 | Shirik | if that's the case then I could just have that be a functionality of the SELECT query |
| 22:08.04 | krka | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.16 | krka | MySQL supports the following JOIN syntaxes for the table_references part of SELECT statements and multiple-table DELETE and UPDATE statements: |
| 22:10.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh, coworker is such an idiot. |
| 22:10.15 | NightHawkTheSane | "i dont like evaluating nulls" |
| 22:11.25 | Lunessa | Sounds like you need 3 shots of tequila just to work with him. |
| 22:11.30 | NightHawkTheSane | at least. |
| 22:12.15 | Shirik | ah screw multiple-table DELETE and UPDATE |
| 22:12.24 | Shirik | we can add that later if necessary |
| 22:12.30 | Shirik | it better not be necessary though |
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| 22:13.47 | foxlit | What's this? Unsupported functionality? LYNCH! |
| 22:13.56 | Shirik | lol |
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| 22:14.13 | Shirik | well I'm now going back to design and saying "well what if we do need it, I have no path for adding it" |
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| 22:41.51 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677768302&sid=1 |
| 22:44.00 | Tepel | http://capsoff.org/ |
| 22:44.41 | foxlit | EVERYONE USES SHIFT ANYWAY. |
| 22:45.05 | NightHawkTheSane | SHIFTS FOXLIT |
| 22:46.04 | foxlit | IS SHIFTED. |
| 22:46.45 | ScytheBlade1 | So I go $3 under balance on my checking, it takes the notification a week to get here, and in that timeframe they charge me $150 in fees |
| 22:46.48 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 22:47.00 | foxlit | Bussiness as usual? |
| 22:47.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 22:47.12 | NightHawkTheSane | except with less s's |
| 22:47.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Time to look for a better bank I think |
| 22:47.23 | NightHawkTheSane | they're all the same. |
| 22:47.31 | foxlit | when in doubt, add more ss'es. |
| 22:47.32 | ScytheBlade1 | A _week_ for the notice? |
| 22:47.40 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry, that's bullcrap |
| 22:47.45 | foxlit | You probably agreed to it, too. |
| 22:47.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 22:47.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I did not |
| 22:47.52 | ScytheBlade1 | My mother did |
| 22:47.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I did not |
| 22:48.00 | ScytheBlade1 | When I was six |
| 22:48.14 | NightHawkTheSane | your fault for not reading the fine print when you were old enough to understand it |
| 22:48.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not saying they're at fault here |
| 22:48.22 | ScytheBlade1 | But really, wtf |
| 22:48.38 | NightHawkTheSane | banks will look for every way to screw you, especialy when it comes to overdraft fees |
| 22:48.40 | foxlit | Banks exist to make money. |
| 22:48.47 | foxlit | One of the ways they do that is.... % |
| 22:48.48 | foxlit | ^ |
| 22:49.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i've gotten stuck with overdraft fees, because the bank proccessed my rent check before my paycheck, despite the fact that they were listed as being processed on the same day. |
| 22:50.22 | NightHawkTheSane | grumbles. |
| 22:50.31 | NightHawkTheSane | "i'm just going to check this in, test it on your end, okay?" |
| 22:50.37 | NightHawkTheSane | urge to kill.. rising.. |
| 22:52.06 | Lunessa | SBO - Direct Deposit. |
| 22:52.21 | Shirik | I think I got it krka |
| 22:52.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: yeah, no income atm |
| 22:52.40 | ScytheBlade1 | tomorrow though |
| 22:52.59 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2705a03732b847b048ee638b50f488fe.jpg |
| 22:53.18 | foxlit | I see your pretty boxes. |
| 22:53.21 | foxlit | With your pretty arrows. |
| 22:53.50 | foxlit | Actually, nevermind. |
| 22:53.53 | foxlit | Those graphics suck :( |
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| 22:54.01 | Lunessa | Diagrams? We don't need no stinking diagrams! |
| 22:54.47 | foxlit | also, jpeg for that? boo! |
| 22:55.06 | Shirik | it's automatic choice |
| 22:55.08 | Shirik | I didn't pay attention |
| 22:55.27 | Shirik | would you rather have SVG? PNG? |
| 22:55.53 | foxlit | PNG, probably |
| 22:56.18 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/c848c5e10ff6da3c4b9c7977f3c6191c.png ? |
| 22:56.18 | foxlit | Scrolling support for SVG tends to suck, and your diagram won't fit in a single viewport. |
| 22:56.25 | Tepel | ScytheBlade1, you can probably arrange something |
| 22:56.32 | Shirik | images.gammatester.com refuses to let me upload an SVG anyway |
| 22:56.50 | ScytheBlade1 | The most they allow is a *one-time* 50% reduction in the fees that have totaled up |
| 22:57.10 | Tepel | "Then I'll take my business somewhere else!" |
| 22:57.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I likely will |
| 22:57.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Their interest rates are terrible too |
| 22:58.37 | Tepel | But Shirik why the custom layer on queries, and hasn't that been done before? |
| 22:58.48 | Shirik | not for what I need |
| 22:58.57 | Shirik | there's more than meets the eye to this design |
| 22:59.04 | cog|work | Shirik: you really should line up the Tokens/factories better imo >< |
| 22:59.12 | cog|work | before i stab my eyes out |
| 22:59.16 | Shirik | Visual paradigm's alignment support sucks |
| 22:59.17 | Shirik | ok |
| 22:59.19 | NightHawkTheSane | shirik's design is a transformer |
| 22:59.22 | cog|work | :P |
| 22:59.31 | Shirik | I can't put anything further to the left, either |
| 22:59.33 | NightHawkTheSane | if you re-arrange the boxes, it turns in to optimus prime |
| 22:59.34 | Shirik | it's just "the end" |
| 22:59.38 | Shirik | you can go as far as you want to the right |
| 22:59.41 | Shirik | but no more to the left |
| 23:00.00 | cog|work | that's what you get for trusting some random assole's googlage ;) |
| 23:00.08 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 23:00.09 | foxlit | If that graph cannot be made planar, I'm not interested. |
| 23:00.10 | cog|work | s/ss/ssh/ |
| 23:00.10 | Tepel | Sure you can put stuff farther to the left, just move everything else to the right |
| 23:00.35 | Shirik | Tepel: So annoying |
| 23:00.58 | Tepel | I had to plot my UML on A1 once, cause the guy wanted it on paper ... |
| 23:02.07 | Tepel | It did look pretty neat |
| 23:03.05 | Tepel | But what does/will yours do that other's don't |
| 23:03.13 | Tepel | s/other's/others/ |
| 23:03.34 | clever | how do i figure out if a NPC is part of a quest, to kill it? |
| 23:04.58 | clever | do i have to go thru every active quest, or is there a function i can call directly on the npc |
| 23:05.10 | clever | or is the info not even avail and needs my own quest->npc db? |
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| 23:06.28 | kd3 | before 2.2 you needed your own db. now you should just be able to scan the tooltip and see whether it has any quests listed |
| 23:06.34 | kd3 | that'll catch most* mobs |
| 23:07.02 | kd3 | if you want the best data, you'll need a mod like questhelper/carbonite/etc... |
| 23:07.02 | bleeter | well, Blizzchat on twitter was a complete waste of time |
| 23:07.15 | clever | kd3: ive got questhelper, but it isnt doing exactly what i was thinking of |
| 23:07.32 | kd3 | play with the settings |
| 23:07.34 | clever | kd3: the basic idea, is that i tab thru the nearby npc's, and it will show a green light when i select something to kill |
| 23:07.59 | kd3 | ... |
| 23:08.10 | kd3 | if you're leveling, you should kill everything between you and town |
| 23:08.12 | foxlit | Tbh, less time writing addons, more time reading quest text. |
| 23:08.16 | kd3 | ^ |
| 23:08.18 | kd3 | also, ^ |
| 23:08.33 | clever | kd3: i'm just trying to skip the stuff unrelated to the quest, so i get the quest done sooner |
| 23:08.53 | clever | if i get too far ahead on the quests, i can always stop and kill non-quest things for an hour |
| 23:08.58 | Shirik | :( JIRA doesn't trust me anymore |
| 23:09.15 | Shirik | Original Estimate: 5 hours. Remaining estimate: 45m. Time spent: 8h30m |
| 23:09.18 | Shirik | so on my dashboard |
| 23:09.37 | Shirik | Your estimate this iteration: 22h |
| 23:09.40 | Shirik | Jira's estimate this iteration: 41h |
| 23:10.51 | clever | also, how long do i have to stay in a inn(and logged out) before i get the rest bonus back? |
| 23:11.00 | foxlit | It's nearly instant. |
| 23:11.05 | foxlit | Logging out changes nothing. |
| 23:11.14 | foxlit | (You just regenerate it at a reasonably slow pace) |
| 23:11.32 | clever | and about how long to fully restore it? |
| 23:11.46 | ajmitch | 10 days, I think |
| 23:11.54 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Rested |
| 23:11.58 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 23:12.03 | clever | ive gotten that 200% exp boost in alot less then 10 days:P |
| 23:12.05 | foxlit | One bar of rested XP (5% of a level) is earned for every 8 hours spent resting. A maximum of 30 bars (150% of a level) may be earned. In other words, you can leave your character resting in an inn or capital city for up to 10 days (without gaining experience) before you earn the maximum amount of rest state, and a resting character stores up one full level of rest in 160 hours (6.67 days). |
| 23:12.08 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.21 | clever | ooo, it lasts longer if i rest more? |
| 23:12.22 | cog|work | Shirik: do you know when/where "Most Vexing Parse" was coined? |
| 23:12.23 | ajmitch | clever: to fully restore it (a level & 1/2 of rested bonus) |
| 23:12.30 | Shirik | no :/ |
| 23:12.35 | Shirik | g/g bbl |
| 23:12.37 | Pneumatus | 40 days to get 150% rested outside an inn also |
| 23:12.38 | bleeter | anyone heard any good/bad stories about the Dell 3130cn laser printer? friend of mine can't believe the reviews Dell product's getting, he's looking to buy for an exhibition |
| 23:12.40 | cog|work | nothing i've found so far has given a deeper reference than "the literature" |
| 23:12.42 | clever | i'll read that link |
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| 23:16.03 | clever | ahhh, so the more time i spend resting, the more exp i can get in return |
| 23:17.54 | Lunessa | clever: think of it as more of "If I don't play this toon or wow for a few days, I get an XP boost so I don't fall too far behind my addicted friends who haven't slept all week while leveling." |
| 23:18.06 | clever | yeah |
| 23:18.14 | clever | i was thinking of cycling thru each character |
| 23:18.25 | clever | and wanted to know how long to return to get something out of it |
| 23:18.35 | clever | 8 hours for the min return |
| 23:19.03 | Industrial | well is there a cap? wouldnt the cap moment be the best time? |
| 23:19.12 | clever | ~10 days for the limit |
| 23:19.20 | Industrial | then you can see howmuch you can play for the cap to reset |
| 23:19.25 | clever | but you probly dont want to ignore the character for 10 days at once:P |
| 23:19.31 | Industrial | and see howmany chars you can level in one rest cap rotation |
| 23:19.39 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.59 | Industrial | on one account, anyway :p |
| 23:20.03 | clever | i think 8 hours == 5% of a level |
| 23:20.34 | Industrial | maybe it ramps up as you acumulate, it feels like that to me but might be illusion. |
| 23:20.36 | clever | once 8 hours of solid play gives you <5% of a level, it will begin to turn a benefit i think |
| 23:20.49 | clever | then it may be better to rest for that 8 hours |
| 23:20.50 | Jerub | 8 hours of solid play IS a level. |
| 23:21.05 | clever | Jerub: and -1 level at having a life :P |
| 23:21.37 | clever | trying to find a balance where i can go have a life and get a bonus in wow at the same time |
| 23:21.48 | Industrial | one comment though; leveling is only small parts of MMO's :p |
| 23:21.55 | ajmitch | some of us level through northrend without going below about 80% rested XP :) |
| 23:22.25 | ajmitch | taking a few months to level alts can be good |
| 23:22.42 | clever | i cant even get to northrend:P |
| 23:23.42 | Jerub | clever: hm? without any prior knowledge of the quests, only knowing how to use the abilities you have, you can follow an arrow and level in an 8 hour period, no question of 'having a life' |
| 23:24.09 | Lunessa | Later all. |
| 23:24.11 | Jerub | and rested xp counts for probably only 25% of that, becuase most experience comes from quest handins when doing it. |
| 23:24.18 | clever | but if i spend that 8 hours on other characters(+1 level there), i could get maybe 1.5 levels on this char, in a 2nd 8 hour |
| 23:24.28 | clever | which would be better then 2 +1's in the total 16h |
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| 23:27.14 | NiLon | hmm is there somekind addon that will auto greed all bop that your class can't wear anyway |
| 23:29.24 | cog|away | time for home |
| 23:30.02 | mikma | argh |
| 23:30.17 | mikma | we can't SetAttribute without hardware event? |
| 23:31.15 | clever | with the ADDON_LOADED event, how do i tell if its for my addon variables? |
| 23:33.01 | mikma | [02:32:08] [SERVER] This realm is shutting down immediately for emergency maintenance. We apologise for this inconvenience and thank you for your patience and understanding; for more information please visit our Realm Status Page. |
| 23:33.06 | mikma | hehee |
| 23:33.13 | Sesshu | ow |
| 23:33.17 | Sesshu | mine as well |
| 23:33.42 | bleeter | mikma: MAYBE THEY RAN OUT OF CAPSLOCKS???!!! |
| 23:34.03 | bleeter | HAHAHAHA "Today's #BlizzChat with @warcraft was anticlimactic. Kind of like bad sex. You want great things, but it ends up being very limp." |
| 23:34.05 | mikma | bleeter: I CAN ONLY HOPE |
| 23:35.19 | bleeter | NICE http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677328021&sid=1 |
| 23:36.53 | mikma | blah |
| 23:38.22 | ScytheBlade1 | clever: you watch for VARIABLES_LOADED instead |
| 23:39.06 | clever | ScytheBlade1: but does that fire for each addon?, or just mine |
| 23:39.10 | Shirik | ew |
| 23:39.18 | Shirik | Are you sure you want VARIABLES_LOADED? |
| 23:40.01 | clever | ? |
| 23:40.01 | Sesshu | why not, shirik? |
| 23:40.09 | Shirik | there's little purpose for it |
| 23:40.17 | Shirik | generally just knowing that isn't very useful |
| 23:40.22 | clever | basicaly, i want to sanitize the saved variables to make shure new fields have the {} they need |
| 23:40.27 | clever | incase the script was upgraded |
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| 23:41.05 | Shirik | why do you need any event for that? |
| 23:41.13 | Shirik | hm, I guess you might overwrite it |
| 23:41.18 | Shirik | anyway, use ADDON_LOADED |
| 23:41.34 | clever | i am atm, but its doing the check several times |
| 23:41.40 | clever | isnt a cpu problem, yet |
| 23:41.44 | clever | but it could be later on |
| 23:41.49 | Shirik | why do you do it several times? |
| 23:41.56 | ScytheBlade1 | check arg1 on ADDON_LOADED |
| 23:42.14 | clever | ScytheBlade1: because i get several ADDON_LOADED events, for each addon |
| 23:42.26 | clever | ScytheBlade1: let me print that |
| 23:42.42 | ScytheBlade1 | correct |
| 23:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | so |
| 23:42.44 | Shirik | yeah well stop doing that |
| 23:42.48 | ScytheBlade1 | You check what arg1 is when that event fires |
| 23:42.51 | Shirik | ^ |
| 23:42.55 | ScytheBlade1 | And only do stuuff when it matches your addon |
| 23:44.03 | clever | ive also noticed, that questhelper greatly slows down the shutdown process (logout, half of /reload) |
| 23:44.16 | clever | i can see wow rewriting the 1mb of saved variables |
| 23:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Any addon that has a large (or many) tables does that |
| 23:44.47 | clever | yeah, that makes sense |
| 23:44.48 | ScytheBlade1 | QH pales in comparison to things like auctioneer |
| 23:45.00 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, there's not a whole lot I can do about that without my own updater application |
| 23:45.10 | clever | i think i have auctioneer, but qh seems to have the bigest single file |
| 23:45.28 | clever | ah nvm |
| 23:45.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Then either you don't ever scan your AH, or your economy on your server is _terrible_ |
| 23:45.32 | clever | -rwxrwSrwx 1 clever root 4.7M Oct 22 20:43 Auc-ScanData.lua |
| 23:45.35 | clever | 4mb in there |
| 23:45.41 | clever | -rwxrwSrwx 1 clever root 1.2M Oct 22 20:43 QuestHelper.lua |
| 23:45.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I easily run at 20MB in auctioneer |
| 23:46.11 | clever | ive only scanned once |
| 23:47.24 | clever | dang that was close, killed it with 4 health to spare |
| 23:47.39 | clever | and my addon worked too, it was screaming run for your life:P |
| 23:49.16 | clever | is there a variable that holds the name of the current addon? |
| 23:49.31 | clever | i can just hard-code it in, but if the lua files are ever merged into a bigger addon, things will break |
| 23:50.03 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 23:50.34 | clever | i'll just hard-code it then |
