| 00:00.12 | Shirik | Read the second paragraph |
| 00:01.59 | foxlit | realloc is magic. |
| 00:02.12 | Recompense | Shirik: Seems to have worked, of course. One odd thing is that ("stuff"):match("(%S+)%s*(.+)") will return the final "f" as the second capture, but I can live with that |
| 00:02.17 | foxlit | Someone somewhere knows how big the block of memory at the pointer was, and they're not sharing :( |
| 00:02.35 | Shirik | uh |
| 00:02.39 | Shirik | that's because it's .- and not .+ |
| 00:02.56 | Recompense | Oh hey |
| 00:02.58 | Shirik | in fact, .+ will cause other problems as well |
| 00:03.00 | foxlit | .- is one of those amazing captures. |
| 00:03.08 | Recompense | Yeah, I should probably really learn pattern matching instead of pretending all the time |
| 00:03.10 | foxlit | lua> ("foobar"):match(".-") |
| 00:03.10 | lua_bot | foxlit: No output |
| 00:04.31 | foxlit | So either anchor it at the end of the string, or use .* instead :) |
| 00:10.11 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Seerah -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.2.x ToC: 30200 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "Buying gold makes baby murlocs cry." --Eyonix |
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| 00:12.06 | Recompense | Shirik: Thanks for the assist, back to the drawing board |
| 00:13.51 | ZorbaTHut | hah, someone I know has come up with a possibly-viable Fury build without Titan's Grip |
| 00:15.09 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: Does it involve small furry animal sacrifice? |
| 00:15.40 | ZorbaTHut | wob, he managed to juggling things around so he could pick up Incite, in the hope that the extra crits would trigger enough via Deep Wounds to make up for it |
| 00:16.12 | WobWork | that's throwing things a bit to the point where small furry animal sacrifice might help with the RNG... |
| 00:16.25 | ZorbaTHut | 'course he's also walking around with a 245 and a 258 weapon, and near-full 245 gear |
| 00:16.36 | Jerub | sigh. |
| 00:16.48 | ZorbaTHut | so, if it is possible, it requires very, very high-level gear |
| 00:16.51 | Jerub | i've only just gotten my T9 set bonus for the cheapo T9s |
| 00:20.33 | ZorbaTHut | I don't even have that |
| 00:20.51 | ZorbaTHut | I've just had no time for raiding. I'm thinking maybe it's time for me to go officially casual |
| 00:22.11 | Jerub | i got this from the heroic dailies. |
| 00:22.23 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I don't have time for those either. if anything they take more time :D |
| 00:32.34 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: maybe you need a powerlevelling service. |
| 00:32.56 | clever | i found an ad on wowwiki for a power leveling addon, that you have to pay for:P |
| 00:32.59 | ZorbaTHut | meh. I enjoy raiding 'cause it's fun, I only really want the gear so I can try my hand at the tougher fights |
| 00:33.02 | clever | which is directly against the addon rules |
| 00:34.43 | Seerah | any addon that claims to "power level" you, is not an addon ;) |
| 00:34.48 | Seerah | but still "illegal" |
| 00:35.06 | clever | http://www.fastlevelingguides.com/World-of-Warcraft/Leveling-Guides/dugis-ultimate-wow-guide.html?gclid=CP7j9PKozJ0CFVRM5Qod1AKVyA |
| 00:35.11 | clever | "Dugi Will Get You To Level 80 In A Time That Seems Impossible" |
| 00:35.19 | Jerub | woo, progress quest works in wine |
| 00:35.34 | clever | Jerub: i havent played that 'game' in years |
| 00:36.38 | clever | Seerah: from reading the page, it sounds like a super quest helper |
| 00:37.33 | clever | you still need to control every action, but it explains them in simple terms so you can get to level 80 without remembering/finding every last detail of every last quest |
| 00:38.05 | Seerah | that's a leveling "guide", not a leveling "service" :p |
| 00:38.07 | ScytheBlade1 | "guide" |
| 00:38.18 | clever | the entire guide is built into the addon, which you have to buy |
| 00:38.34 | Seerah | does it just use TourGuide like Zygor's does? |
| 00:38.35 | ScytheBlade1 | "i leveled from 0-80... |
| 00:38.36 | ScytheBlade1 | 9 Days 4Hours 4 Mins & 45 Seconds" |
| 00:38.37 | ScytheBlade1 | weak |
| 00:38.51 | clever | Seerah: id have to pay to see:P |
| 00:38.56 | Seerah | :) |
| 00:39.04 | ScytheBlade1 | clever: yes, by charging for access they are breaking "the rules" |
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| 00:39.26 | clever | assuming its a pure addon (no external exe's), then i could then share the entire thing to friends that didnt pay |
| 00:39.35 | cogwheel | mutters something obscene towards blizzard |
| 00:39.38 | clever | but it may have additional (rule breaking) features to prevent that:P |
| 00:39.40 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, depends when that 1-80 was posted |
| 00:39.40 | Seerah | TourGuide is available for free, and there are plenty of free guides out there. They might claim you are paying for the guide, and they're providing the addon in case you don't have it yet. But all of that is up to Blizzard. |
| 00:39.44 | Jerub | you'll probably be sharing the keylogger |
| 00:39.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: well they're charging for it _now_ so.. |
| 00:39.53 | ZorbaTHut | clever, you couldn't legally, that's copyright infringement |
| 00:40.09 | Seerah | Jerub: you cannot get a keylogger from an addon |
| 00:40.27 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, well i did 1-80 in 7 days and Change on my pally so thats not so impressive |
| 00:40.48 | clever | Jerub: if its a pure addon (just lua code), it cant have a key logger |
| 00:40.48 | clever | ZorbaTHut: so i cant freely share data that should have been free in the first place? |
| 00:40.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: oh that's what you're talking about. meh |
| 00:40.58 | ZorbaTHut | clever, define "should" |
| 00:41.04 | cogwheel | clever: define... gah |
| 00:41.08 | Jerub | clever: sure it can, it can be in the autoexecuting zip file ;) |
| 00:41.09 | ZorbaTHut | there is no legal requirement for it to be free, therefore it is not free. |
| 00:41.12 | clever | ZorbaTHut: the rules for wow say that all addons must be free |
| 00:41.19 | ZorbaTHut | the rules are not legally binding |
| 00:41.24 | ZorbaTHut | they're not even in the EULA or TOS |
| 00:41.25 | cogwheel | clever: that doesn't mean anything wrt copyright |
| 00:41.29 | clever | Jerub: after i install the entire thing, it wont be a zip |
| 00:41.37 | cogwheel | it just means the copyright owner can't force you to pay for a license |
| 00:41.41 | clever | Jerub: then i can just re-zip that in a safe and un-infested form |
| 00:41.42 | ZorbaTHut | it's also meaningless as applied to copyright, and there's no guarantee the addon developers have ever signed the EULA or the TOS |
| 00:41.45 | Jerub | clever: but the virus will have installed it your system already ;) |
| 00:41.55 | cogwheel | (and still keep their addon functional in-game) |
| 00:41.57 | ZorbaTHut | cogwheel, well, they *could* force you to pay for a license. Blizzard can then ban your UI mod. |
| 00:42.06 | cogwheel | ;)\ |
| 00:42.07 | clever | Jerub: i can install the thing under a VM and then erase the entire thing when i'm done:P |
| 00:42.07 | ZorbaTHut | Really, that's why they're guidelines - there's no legal weight to them in any direction whatsoever |
| 00:42.14 | cogwheel | s/\\// |
| 00:42.19 | clever | extract just the lua code and keep/share that clean half |
| 00:42.31 | ZorbaTHut | Blizzard can ban your UI mod no matter what you do, and you can violate the terms as much as you like. Blizzard may just respond appropriately. No laws involved at all :) |
| 00:42.59 | clever | ZorbaTHut: yep, that too |
| 00:43.26 | clever | dangit |
| 00:43.35 | clever | i did shadow meld, and some dude casts heal on me |
| 00:43.37 | clever | unmelding me:P |
| 00:46.13 | clever | ZorbaTHut: i'm assuming blizard can see the id of every mod i run? |
| 00:46.22 | cogwheel | speaking of trying to bend the rules, my 16yo sister just opened her first bank account. Mrs. cog was explaining how to use the register, and the first thing she asks is how she can fake the register to make them think her account has more money in it... |
| 00:46.27 | clever | and probly monitor most of the tasks it performs |
| 00:46.59 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, you have a 16 yo sister? |
| 00:47.07 | Thunder_Child | thats a hell of an age diff |
| 00:47.09 | Jerub | cogwheel: that's a perfectly reasonable question. |
| 00:47.20 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: i have an 8 yo sister... |
| 00:47.34 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, aaaaaaand that would be more of one |
| 00:47.52 | cogwheel | my grandmother is 3 years older than my mother-in-law |
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| 00:48.04 | cogwheel | and my brother-in-law is 18 years older than my wife |
| 00:48.24 | Jerub | I have always immediately tried to break any system that i've been introduced to, in order to decide if that system is worth trusting (and to see if I can make a quick buck) |
| 00:48.31 | ZorbaTHut | clever, it's unclear what Blizzard actually has access to. I presume it includes the mod's name and possibly a checksum of its .lua files. |
| 00:48.31 | Thunder_Child | your family ages hurt my brain |
| 00:48.46 | ZorbaTHut | but there's no real evidence for Blizzard knowing anything about what UI mods you're running. |
| 00:48.57 | cogwheel | my grandma's "husband" (they'd be common-law married if it still existed in CA) is younger than my father |
| 00:49.02 | ZorbaTHut | (and, honestly, some evidence that Blizzard doesn't know anything) |
| 00:49.12 | clever | ZorbaTHut: only way to confirm that stuff is to packet sniff it |
| 00:49.18 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: I've got lots of evidence to support that hypothesis! |
| 00:49.30 | ZorbaTHut | true, and the people who are likely to packetsniff aren't those who are likely to care about that particular bit of info |
| 00:49.32 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, oh? |
| 00:49.38 | clever | in theory, it could tag every single server request that tries to perform an action |
| 00:49.45 | clever | and even log every line of code you execute |
| 00:49.49 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: there is no evidence, but hypothetically they could upload as much about your addon as they wanted |
| 00:49.56 | ZorbaTHut | clever, well, it couldn't do the latter |
| 00:50.01 | Legorol | at least as much as WoW knows about them |
| 00:50.07 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, in theory, it could. but it absolutely doesn't |
| 00:50.15 | ZorbaTHut | because if it did, questhelper would saturate a T3 ;) |
| 00:50.16 | clever | yep |
| 00:50.22 | Jerub | Actually, I have some ideas for how to test these hypotheses. |
| 00:50.30 | Legorol | yes, it clearly doesn't upload the whole addon |
| 00:50.30 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, true, but I don't actually believe they do |
| 00:50.36 | Legorol | but it could upload the metadata in the .toc at least |
| 00:50.38 | ZorbaTHut | otherwise GMs wouldn't have to ask "so uh are you using UI mods" |
| 00:50.48 | ZorbaTHut | they'd say "oh yeah, known bug with Crappymod, go disable it" |
| 00:50.49 | Legorol | i don't think they upload that stuff either |
| 00:50.58 | clever | they could always turn it on for certain 'rule breaking suspects' to see how they are breaking the rules |
| 00:51.10 | cogwheel | ZorbaTHut: no |
| 00:51.13 | clever | to see if it addon related |
| 00:51.21 | cogwheel | i think that would be too much like "addon support" |
| 00:51.36 | ZorbaTHut | cogwheel, eh, I already get people reporting that GMs have talked about problems in Questhelper |
| 00:51.45 | ZorbaTHut | hell, I even have reports of GMs calling Questhelper a keylogger |
| 00:51.52 | cogwheel | ZorbaTHut: that's called luck |
| 00:52.04 | ZorbaTHut | if they're going to blatantly lie about UI mods, they certainly could say "go disable X it is busted" |
| 00:52.05 | cogwheel | most of them are no better than best buy employees at answering questions... |
| 00:52.39 | clever | if its a pure lua based addon, it shouldnt be able to do any key logging |
| 00:52.49 | ZorbaTHut | clever, quite true, I couldn't keylog through QH if I wanted to |
| 00:52.50 | clever | and from what ive seen, none of it will be active until after you pick a character |
| 00:52.56 | ZorbaTHut | also true :) |
| 00:53.01 | clever | long after your pw has been entered |
| 00:53.09 | ZorbaTHut | (I mean barring exploits in the WoW code, obviously) |
| 00:53.27 | clever | yeah |
| 00:53.37 | clever | exploits from lua or a .exe that hacks into the process |
| 00:54.07 | ZorbaTHut | it parses the .toc before you log on, so in theory, if you were able to find and exploit a vulnerability in the .toc parser, you could keylog from there. but the .toc parser is not exactly complicated and I'd be surprised if there were any vulnerabilities of that sort. |
| 00:54.48 | clever | reminds me, ive seen a smashing program to randomly edit bytes in a file and run something to test it |
| 00:55.00 | clever | so you can basicaly brute force every posible byte combination for a x byte file |
| 00:55.01 | ZorbaTHut | fuzz testing is awesome and I truly <3 it |
| 00:55.18 | clever | but it would be insanely slow, even more so because wow takes so long to load:P |
| 00:55.38 | clever | would have to extract bits of wow code and make your own test function |
| 00:55.44 | clever | which is probly against the EULA |
| 00:55.50 | ZorbaTHut | you'd do it in parallel anyway. install a thousand fake UI mods, test it against all of them |
| 00:56.03 | ZorbaTHut | hoenstly if you're trying to find exploits in the .toc code you are probably not too concerned with the EULA ;) |
| 00:56.09 | clever | yeah |
| 00:56.21 | clever | and generaly, buffer overflow exploits trash the stack |
| 00:56.29 | clever | so the program will crash after whatever your doing is done |
| 00:56.55 | clever | so the best you can hope for, is wow crashing after installing the virii, which then disables the addon, fixing wow |
| 00:57.13 | clever | and hopefully, they catch on at that point |
| 00:57.40 | ZorbaTHut | nah, many (possibly even most) crash bugs can be manipulated to turn into a real security issue. you've just gotta calculate the offsets correctly. |
| 00:57.53 | ZorbaTHut | once you get WoW to crash, you've probably done the hard part. |
| 00:58.11 | clever | i would think VM randomization would really mess with that |
| 00:58.23 | clever | and properly marking data areas as non-exec |
| 00:58.38 | ZorbaTHut | non-exec helps quite a bit, but isn't a panacea. most address spaces are still not very random |
| 00:58.49 | ZorbaTHut | OSX is moving in the right direction. I don't know if Win7 is working on that at all, but pre-win7 certainly isn't |
| 00:58.50 | clever | 64bit helps alot too id think |
| 00:59.02 | ZorbaTHut | it would, but there's no 64-bit version of WoW yet |
| 00:59.02 | clever | linux has randomized vm support |
| 00:59.21 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, linux and the BSD's are going in the right direction |
| 00:59.23 | clever | and in general, linux is alot more secure of a design, but mac should be too |
| 00:59.34 | clever | internaly, mac and linux are similar |
| 01:00.14 | clever | ive got the tour guide installed, but it doesnt seem to be very helpfull |
| 01:00.14 | clever | it isnt detecting that ive done half the junk on the list |
| 01:00.31 | ZorbaTHut | it's not yet possible to detect what quests have been done without having been installed when the quest was done |
| 01:00.34 | ZorbaTHut | (that's being fixed in 3.3) |
| 01:00.47 | clever | i saw mention of a function that did exactly that |
| 01:00.51 | clever | maybe on the forums |
| 01:00.54 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, in 3.3 ;) |
| 01:01.02 | clever | ahh, a beta version then |
| 01:01.09 | clever | probly telling the devs ahead of time so they can fix it |
| 01:05.32 | clever | i'm guessing ptr is running 3.3? |
| 01:08.24 | clever | dangit, somebody used a duel to kill ma |
| 01:08.27 | clever | me* |
| 01:09.15 | ZorbaTHut | yup, ptr's 3.3 |
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| 01:11.14 | kd3 | whee; new build |
| 01:11.22 | kd3 | pokes his downloader script |
| 01:15.51 | kd3 | so apparently the new launcher doesn't play nice in wine |
| 01:16.23 | kd3 | chmodding 0050 directories doesn't exactly work all that well |
| 01:16.35 | Thunder_Child | whats the gear check for 10-man naxx? |
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| 01:17.04 | kd3 | patchwerk? ilvl186ish? |
| 01:17.46 | Thunder_Child | figures, there is not a single non-heroic dungeon going on |
| 01:18.01 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: in october 2008 ? all ilvl 200 blues and purples. |
| 01:18.17 | Jerub | if they don't have that, tell them they shouldn't raid within 24 hours of hitting 80 |
| 01:18.25 | Jerub | er 2009 |
| 01:18.26 | Thunder_Child | ayear behind arent you Jerub? |
| 01:18.29 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 01:19.08 | Jerub | i mean, not 100% ilvl 200 is okay, because of the bullshit offhands, totems, etc. |
| 01:19.47 | Legorol | Jerub: it's surprisingly difficult to get full i200 blues if you don't raid, apart from farming emblems of conquest for ages |
| 01:20.15 | Thunder_Child | blues or blue/purp? |
| 01:20.20 | Legorol | since naxx 10 is the lowest level raid you can get, presumably you want to let people in who haven't done a raid |
| 01:20.26 | Jerub | Legorol: uh, blues is trivial, just do heroics. |
| 01:20.32 | Legorol | that's the thing though... |
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| 01:20.40 | Jerub | and purples just requires hitting toc a bunch of times. |
| 01:20.44 | Thunder_Child | purp is trivial, just farm totc |
| 01:20.48 | Legorol | for many classes and slots, there are very limited drops in heroics |
| 01:20.52 | Legorol | i know because i have tried |
| 01:20.54 | ZorbaTHut | hit level 80, do every heroic once, you're ready for naxx |
| 01:20.58 | dead_fr0g | does wow still exist? |
| 01:21.00 | kd3 | that's why I said ilvl186. naxx10 epics are ilvl200 |
| 01:21.08 | Jerub | Legorol: doing every heroic for 2 days, then ntoc 5-10 times. |
| 01:21.09 | Legorol | i deliberately had a project where on one char i did no raiding, and wanted to see how far i can get with heroic drops and rep rewards only |
| 01:21.11 | ZorbaTHut | you'll get a purple or two and a pile of blues and you're good enough (if you're enchanted and gemmed and everything) |
| 01:21.22 | dead_fr0g | i have a rogue with furious weapons. is that still good anymore? |
| 01:21.22 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, that assumes you get gear |
| 01:21.47 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, on average, you'll get a few pieces |
| 01:22.16 | Legorol | Jerub: i've been there, done that. to reach the full i200 blues level, i needed several weeks, and even then i was using exalted rep rewards |
| 01:22.22 | Legorol | for some slots i just never saw a drop in a heroic |
| 01:22.32 | Jerub | Legorol: what about the ntoc loot pinata? |
| 01:22.48 | Legorol | since that was introduced after naxx 10 was, i don't consider it mandatory to visit for naxx 10 |
| 01:23.02 | Legorol | if loot pinatas are allowed, then emblems of conquest are the obvious way to go |
| 01:23.13 | dead_fr0g | i have a rogue with furious weapons and all deadly/furious. Is that still good anymore? |
| 01:23.22 | dead_fr0g | or is all that stuff crap now |
| 01:23.49 | Jerub | basically what i'm saying is, the fastest/quickest way to get awesome loots is to do ntoc 10 times. and there's no excuse for not doing that. |
| 01:23.55 | Legorol | dead_fr0g: it's exactly as good as it always was, for the content at the appropriate level :o) |
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| 01:24.12 | kd3 | furious is season 6... isn't it? nothing wrong with it but we're up to season... 7? 8? |
| 01:24.22 | Jerub | dead_fr0g: i don't pvp so i can't really answer. I have a few pvp pieces that are ilvl 245 because they're just that much better than the pve stuff i have |
| 01:24.23 | Legorol | Jerub: right, but now you are talking about "powergearing" |
| 01:24.34 | Legorol | in that case the fastest way is to be boosted through Naxx 25 ;) |
| 01:24.46 | kd3 | wait, no... we just started season 7 |
| 01:24.54 | dead_fr0g | kd3,Jerub: cool thanks. yeah I don't play anymore that's why I was asking |
| 01:24.59 | Legorol | either we are sticking to answering "what's the bare minimum for naxx10", or to answering "what's the fastest way to gear up" |
| 01:25.03 | Jerub | Legorol: but ntoc is something you can just do with a level 80 toon and you're not being carried. |
| 01:25.07 | Legorol | the two shouldn't be the same |
| 01:25.08 | dead_fr0g | I might sell him if that gear is still any good |
| 01:25.20 | Jerub | if you want to talk about powergearing/"being carried" then 25htoc is clearly the place to go. |
| 01:25.20 | kd3 | not something we support in here |
| 01:25.33 | Legorol | yah, except that is a bit unrealistic right now |
| 01:25.42 | Legorol | whereas you can get carried in naxx25 in any random pug group even |
| 01:25.43 | Legorol | if they let you |
| 01:25.54 | dead_fr0g | anyone interested in buying an 80 rogue with pretty good gear? He's got epic flight too. |
| 01:26.06 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:26.11 | Legorol | dead_fr0g: account/character trading is a gross violation of the ToS |
| 01:26.12 | Jerub | Legorol: I'm just saying it's unrealistic to expect to do a naxx10 before you've got the awesomely easy to get ilvl200 drops from ntoc. |
| 01:26.16 | dead_fr0g | i think i pulled like over 6.5k DPS with him as well |
| 01:26.21 | Legorol | it's also something that is highly immoral, and you will get kicked out of this channel for it |
| 01:26.32 | Legorol | (immoral by the standards people tend to apply in here) |
| 01:26.49 | dead_fr0g | ok well I won't talk about it sorry |
| 01:26.57 | Jerub | immoral? pfft. |
| 01:27.12 | Legorol | Jerub: i'd disagree. I think you should realistically expect to be allowed into naxx10 with gear that is obtainable from pre-naxx 10 content |
| 01:27.17 | Legorol | and toc came out afterwards |
| 01:27.33 | dead_fr0g | but yeah I don't see anythign wrong with it :P you guys are developers. I sell my code for money. code = time. time = wow progress. money = time = wow progress =/ |
| 01:28.21 | Legorol | i guess you haven't seen the Blizzard policy stating that addons must be free? |
| 01:28.26 | Jerub | Legorol: for a guild run, sure, ilvl 187 is fine for the progression, but i'd never let someone pug with only 187 gear |
| 01:28.36 | Legorol | that's a different story |
| 01:28.52 | Legorol | i'd not do a naxx10 pug without [Epic] probably, simply because i want to go through it fast |
| 01:28.54 | Legorol | if i do it at all |
| 01:29.32 | Legorol | the minimum requirement for naxx10 imo is about 2/3rd i200 and 1/3rd i187 blues |
| 01:29.33 | dead_fr0g | Legorol: lol, that's funny. Blizz could make so much leeching off people who had hit-addons |
| 01:29.53 | Legorol | and how exactly do you propose they'd do that? |
| 01:30.00 | kd3 | but then they'd have to deal with the support issues |
| 01:30.30 | kd3 | and considering their regular response is still the three-finger salute, dunno how well that'd work |
| 01:30.38 | Legorol | dead_fr0g: don't confuse "have to be free" with "it belongs to blizzard" |
| 01:30.38 | Legorol | that's two very different things |
| 01:30.38 | dead_fr0g | right |
| 01:30.38 | Legorol | blizzard can't make money off of an addon written by someone else |
| 01:31.16 | dead_fr0g | Legerol: they could have an addon gallery like iPhones app store lol. haha developers have to go through blizzard. |
| 01:31.26 | kd3 | 21:29:59> kd3: but then they'd have to deal with the support issues |
| 01:31.31 | dead_fr0g | that would suck for the gamers tho pretty bad |
| 01:31.31 | Legorol | they could, but that wouldn't be leeching then |
| 01:31.37 | Legorol | as a developer would submit to it voluntarily |
| 01:31.43 | dead_fr0g | yeah i suppose your write |
| 01:31.45 | dead_fr0g | right* |
| 01:31.46 | Legorol | this is why i asked you how do you propose for them to "leech" |
| 01:31.59 | kd3 | we've been through this a million times before. yawn. |
| 01:32.04 | kd3 | looks for another rum and coke |
| 01:32.05 | Legorol | idd |
| 01:32.13 | dead_fr0g | well im stoned. I'll say just about anything right now |
| 01:32.23 | Legorol | anyway, Jerub, you are right that ntoc is piss easy and can be run a bunch of times |
| 01:32.36 | Legorol | and it's a sensible thing to do of course |
| 01:32.46 | dead_fr0g | is 6.5k DPS still good? must be higher with gear going up |
| 01:32.47 | Legorol | but answering Zorba's question, i wouldn't put it as a requirement for naxx 10 |
| 01:33.22 | Legorol | 6.5k dps under what circumstances? target dummy? 10-man raid? 25-man raid? patchwerk or a mobile fight in ulduar? |
| 01:34.24 | dead_fr0g | like just straight 25 man DPS |
| 01:35.32 | kd3 | 25-man dps... doing what? something more involved than patchwerk? 6.5k is great. doing patchwerk, meh. note, however, that the majority of fights are slightly less tank-and-spank than patchy |
| 01:35.55 | Arrowmaster | well they are doing an iphone pp store ripoff for SC2, but every developer knows the iphone app store sucks horribly |
| 01:36.12 | dead_fr0g | actually for a rogue most fights are exactly the same lol |
| 01:36.12 | Jerub | dead_fr0g: 6.5k is still good, no matter which way round it is. |
| 01:36.29 | dead_fr0g | that's about what I'd pull in voa25 after I quit pveing |
| 01:36.44 | dead_fr0g | and im a melee that runs in and out the whole fight |
| 01:37.04 | ZorbaTHut | 6.5k is plenty good for anything short of htoc25 |
| 01:37.18 | ZorbaTHut | and honestly is probably fine for htoc25 also |
| 01:38.02 | ZorbaTHut | man, we're going to have people in Cataclysm hitting 10k as a fresh 85 |
| 01:38.26 | kd3 | whee; patched. time to put the diffs together |
| 01:39.26 | dead_fr0g | omg wow is such a funny game. It's been popular for so long based PURELY on the fact that people like staring large yellow numbers. The larger the numbers get, the more people get atticted. |
| 01:40.33 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: I rushed through 60-80, but i recall at 70 being happy with 1k |
| 01:41.58 | ZorbaTHut | deadfrog, I've always wanted to make a Big Numbers UI mod |
| 01:42.12 | ZorbaTHut | multiplies all damage, hp, healing, and XP values by a thousand |
| 01:44.17 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: and make the numbers smaller as it gets closer to bedtime ;) |
| 01:44.57 | kd3 | huh; that's odd. the map mentions an 8th level of icecrown but there's only 7 maps? |
| 01:46.03 | ZorbaTHut | the final phase of the fight against Arthas is a gigantic group poop-related quest that takes place entirely within Arthas's crotch. For the sake of sanity, there is no map. |
| 01:46.55 | Thunder_Child | ...someone just said "mee two" |
| 01:47.29 | ajmitch_ | blizzard would never dare to put in a poop quest |
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| 01:53.11 | Thunder_Child | also, people in a group/raid going into different instance is iritating |
| 01:56.43 | kd3 | hm... wonder if they've finally fixed all of the phasing issues |
| 01:56.47 | WobWork | =\ |
| 01:56.52 | WobWork | I hate having a bitten tongue |
| 01:56.58 | WobWork | You can't eat =( |
| 01:58.05 | kd3 | ..nope |
| 02:02.14 | ZorbaTHut | four masks left! :D |
| 02:02.22 | kd3 | grr; wtb non-phase-brokenness for the new instances |
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| 02:29.09 | kd3 | whee; realm crashes |
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| 02:37.03 | mikma | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/lavaman.jpg |
| 02:37.04 | mikma | oh cool |
| 02:38.24 | Bibi | not really. |
| 02:38.58 | A-KO | wtf? lol |
| 02:40.21 | mikma | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/paladintier10.jpg epic pinkness |
| 02:41.49 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 02:42.23 | mikma | paladin tier10 |
| 02:42.33 | Bibi | paladintier10.jpg |
| 02:42.34 | Bibi | [04:41:37] <Shirik> wtf is that |
| 02:42.39 | Bibi | scratches head |
| 02:42.51 | Shirik | people actually read? |
| 02:42.53 | Shirik | wtf do I look like |
| 02:43.30 | mikma | a log |
| 02:43.45 | mikma | or, a blob |
| 02:44.15 | Shirik | o.O |
| 02:45.20 | tem | yeah nice pink beard for the pink classcolor |
| 02:45.37 | tem | it's probably a bug anyway |
| 02:45.42 | tem | but it still looks like shaman gear |
| 02:47.35 | Shirik | paladins deserve to wear pink |
| 02:48.28 | kd3 | hi2u aq40 mage gear |
| 02:48.29 | mikma | shirik: i agree, pink all the way |
| 02:50.57 | mikma | shirik: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/10/haha_home_shopping_network_wii.php |
| 02:51.29 | mikma | i love it how he stands infront of the broken tv after that |
| 02:52.05 | Thrae | Shirik: Except Blood Elf Paladins. I have more respect for them. They capture and continously torture a being of the Light in order to steal its power for themselves. That's badass psycho. |
| 02:52.16 | Jerub | i think you should be able to pick the texture for your armor :/ |
| 02:54.33 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck are those accessories for? |
| 02:54.51 | Arrowmaster | other than breaking TVs |
| 02:56.13 | Shirik | I like the huge blue mark on the screen mikma |
| 02:56.14 | Shirik | yeah |
| 02:56.18 | Shirik | they told him to stand there :) |
| 02:56.32 | Shirik | what a moron :) |
| 02:57.01 | Arrowmaster | no the morons are the people that bought that |
| 02:58.46 | Shirik | still a moron |
| 02:58.50 | mikma | shirik: http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2009/10/han_finally_pays_for_all_that.php <- that's also funny |
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| 03:02.51 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2009/10/every_kramer_entrance_from_eve.php |
| 03:05.44 | cogwheel | is glad he never "got" seinfeld |
| 03:06.39 | Shirik | Total: 52 packages (46 upgrades, 5 new, 1 in new slot, 1 uninstall), Size of downloads: 141,599 kB |
| 03:06.41 | Shirik | :( |
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| 03:11.41 | cogwheel | hmm that reminds me... |
| 03:17.26 | cogwheel | grabs his vs2010 download off his server... |
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| 03:19.00 | cogwheel | does scp have any significant network overhead or is mostly cpu/disk bound? |
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| 03:20.29 | Arrowmaster | cpu |
| 03:20.31 | Jerub | cogwheel: it's not significant, but it's there. |
| 03:20.31 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 03:20.48 | cogwheel | 22mb/s seems a bit pathetic over a gb connection |
| 03:21.00 | Arrowmaster | its cpu limited |
| 03:21.04 | Jerub | cogwheel: sounds like you're not using jumbo frames and maybe not using window scaling. |
| 03:21.09 | Jerub | either that or it's cpu ;) |
| 03:21.19 | mikma | crypting takes cpu |
| 03:21.28 | Jerub | gzip | nc $host $port < bigfile |
| 03:21.33 | cogwheel | top reported it maxing at ~60% cpu |
| 03:21.40 | Jerub | that's the fastest way of doing a large transfer over a lan. |
| 03:22.11 | cogwheel | i'm using filezilla ... haven't bothered to try cygwin on 7 yet... |
| 03:22.13 | mikma | cogwheel: whats so odd about the 60%? =) crypting is heavy stuff on-the-fly |
| 03:22.51 | cogwheel | mikma: if it were cpu bound, i'd expect it would be much higher... the only other processes taking up cpu time are low priority |
| 03:22.56 | cogwheel | (folding@home) |
| 03:23.12 | mikma | nice it! |
| 03:23.15 | cogwheel | probably disk then? |
| 03:23.24 | mikma | or, what the heck it is kekeke |
| 03:23.43 | Arrowmaster | the cpu usage is eating up lots of other io which is why it cant max out the cpu |
| 03:23.46 | A-KO | there's send scaling as well in addition to receive scaling |
| 03:24.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah whats the cpu usage on the remote |
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| 03:24.57 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 03:25.58 | mikma | and that, ladcies and gentlemen, is the reason why cairenn should be the president of the earth. thank you. |
| 03:26.22 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 03:26.55 | cogwheel | "Cogwheel for President." --Lunessa |
| 03:26.56 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 03:26.57 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 03:27.05 | mikma | eye-dance |
| 03:27.20 | cogwheel | when comes the mud-flinging? *weg* |
| 03:27.41 | mikma | dnace dance cogwheelution |
| 03:28.27 | WobWork | mikma: I hate seinfield |
| 03:28.30 | cogwheel | no! shifty-eye |
| 03:28.56 | Cairenn | dons her bathing suit and flings jello at cogwheel |
| 03:29.21 | Jerub | sets up the webcast. |
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| 03:30.27 | cogwheel | gets a bit of jellow in a straw and sucks on it to make funny noises like those things at the fair that are tubes with a little thing that slides around inside making noise as the air passes through |
| 03:30.41 | cogwheel | s/at the fair/they sell at the fair/ |
| 03:31.13 | cogwheel | backs away slowly... |
| 03:31.43 | cogwheel | steps on a cricket |
| 03:32.30 | cogwheel | Fisker: i h8 u |
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| 03:34.01 | cogwheel | so, our neighbors put up a kind of privacy wall in their backyard, and somehow it's focusing all the sound from their house right to our window >< |
| 03:34.20 | Fisker | I LOL'D |
| 03:34.45 | cogwheel | "now he can lift my but up off the ground" |
| 03:34.55 | cogwheel | butt* |
| 03:35.08 | Fisker | My Hurrdurr meter is off the scale |
| 03:35.32 | Fisker | Gearbox is using a type of protection that prevents a game from being played(i.e. pirated before release) |
| 03:35.46 | Fisker | They're claiming they'll let people activate early if they buy it early |
| 03:36.19 | Fisker | So you went out and bought a copy protection which's sole purpose is to prevent people from playing early and you say you'll enable the activation if they do? |
| 03:36.21 | Fisker | HURR |
| 03:36.22 | Fisker | DURR |
| 03:37.24 | cogwheel | or... they changed their mind...? |
| 03:37.34 | kd3 | whee; the new LFD is sexy |
| 03:38.49 | Fisker | then they could just activate it early cogwheel |
| 03:39.09 | cogwheel | which, apparently, they can, right? |
| 03:39.29 | Fisker | yes? |
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| 03:42.21 | cogwheel | feels like a palindrome |
| 03:43.00 | cogwheel | throws a NodeAlreadyVisitedException |
| 03:46.34 | cogwheel | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/richard_st_john_s_8_secrets_of_success.html |
| 03:47.33 | Pytlask | kd3: Is it actually called LFD? |
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| 03:47.58 | bluspacecow | http://picasaweb.google.com/Bluspacecow/PTR33Build10596WeirdAirshipInAlterecMountains# |
| 03:50.37 | Arrowmaster | looks kinda like the horde one from northrend |
| 03:51.00 | Arrowmaster | and alterec is where bugged zeplins go in EK |
| 03:51.17 | Arrowmaster | just usually a lot higher in the air |
| 03:51.36 | bluspacecow | EK ? |
| 03:51.58 | Arrowmaster | eastern kingdoms |
| 03:52.03 | bluspacecow | oh is that like how the westfall grave yard is grave yard ID # 0 ? |
| 03:52.25 | Arrowmaster | kinda |
| 03:52.44 | bluspacecow | oh so it could be a bugged zepplin for the horde :) |
| 03:52.57 | Shirik | is scared how both bluspacecow and Arrowmaster said alterec |
| 03:53.04 | Arrowmaster | most lifetime horde players have probably ended up on a zep in stone talon before |
| 03:53.08 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 03:53.14 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i just copied his spelling |
| 03:53.27 | bluspacecow | i dont spell gud |
| 03:53.34 | Shirik | see where plagarism gets you? |
| 03:53.35 | bluspacecow | you know that sherak |
| 03:53.37 | Arrowmaster | neither do i |
| 03:53.57 | bluspacecow | *shurek |
| 03:54.02 | Arrowmaster | but yeah ive been on a bugged zep in stone talon a few times but once it was alterac |
| 03:54.02 | bluspacecow | *shiril |
| 03:54.07 | bluspacecow | *shirik |
| 03:54.11 | bluspacecow | See ? |
| 03:55.59 | Jerub | i've been on a zep in the barrens. |
| 03:56.34 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 03:56.34 | bluspacecow | awesome |
| 03:56.46 | Arrowmaster | it goes between TB and org |
| 03:56.52 | Shirik | O |
| 03:56.56 | Shirik | I've been on a zep in Org |
| 03:57.28 | Shirik | and this one time |
| 03:57.30 | Shirik | I was in Org |
| 03:57.34 | Shirik | and then magically I was in UC |
| 03:57.43 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 03:57.47 | bluspacecow | alliance ? |
| 03:57.59 | Shirik | no :P |
| 04:01.17 | Fisker | kd3 my friend |
| 04:14.02 | Shirik | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Ask-Rumen.aspx |
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| 04:23.05 | bluspacecow | sexy shirik : I don't get it.... |
| 04:23.36 | bluspacecow | his code is stoopid ? |
| 04:31.07 | tekkub | argh |
| 04:31.11 | tekkub | I need something to hack on |
| 04:31.31 | bluspacecow | *gives tekkub a block of granite* |
| 04:31.38 | bluspacecow | no wait |
| 04:31.47 | bluspacecow | *gives tekkub a copy of windows 9* |
| 04:31.59 | tekkub | I only use windows for wow anymore |
| 04:32.06 | tekkub | cause the hardware is so much cheaper |
| 04:32.23 | bluspacecow | make a smaller version of GearScore |
| 04:32.32 | tekkub | no |
| 04:32.33 | Cairenn | for anyone who remembers her, Rislyn just posted on FB that she and her hubby are expecting their first baby in March |
| 04:33.09 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 04:33.26 | bluspacecow | dont know who that has but tell her uncle bluspacecow says Grats ! |
| 04:33.35 | Shadowed | She's the pirate UI girl |
| 04:33.49 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 04:33.50 | Shadowed | who hasn't posted in forever |
| 04:33.52 | bluspacecow | on wowi ? |
| 04:33.53 | Cairenn | yep |
| 04:33.56 | Shadowed | No on the UI forums |
| 04:34.01 | Cairenn | because she's not there any more, hasn't been in ages |
| 04:34.04 | Shadowed | She joined back in early TBC? |
| 04:36.59 | Shirik | Interesting thought on CAPTCHA systems: |
| 04:37.42 | bluspacecow | it sucks when you get fractions to enter > |
| 04:37.50 | Shirik | What would you think of a system that works like this? System scans reputable sites (such as news sites) for a sentence. Picks any sentence at random. Then injects one word from a dictionary randomly in the sentence. The test is to determine which of the words is not part of the original sentence? |
| 04:38.10 | bluspacecow | ugh |
| 04:38.27 | Shadowed | Can't be any worse than the current ones |
| 04:38.31 | bluspacecow | relies why too much on good english skills both for the enteree and the website |
| 04:38.35 | Shadowed | where you get to play the "Is it a line, or a slightly curved line" |
| 04:38.49 | ZorbaTHut | markov chains would destroy that with high probability |
| 04:38.53 | Shirik | I don't think it takes particularly good english to know which word is out of place |
| 04:38.57 | bluspacecow | if the website from where the captcha is from has bad english .... |
| 04:38.58 | ZorbaTHut | just hammering google would also destroy that with high probability |
| 04:39.11 | bluspacecow | hai zorba |
| 04:39.30 | ZorbaTHut | heya spacecow |
| 04:39.56 | Shirik | msg *status playback |
| 04:40.23 | Shirik | stupid ISP.... |
| 04:43.34 | Shirik | every time playstation commercials come on I think they say "praystation" |
| 04:45.08 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AyVh1_vWYQ |
| 04:45.40 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/126876 |
| 04:48.40 | Jerub | man, the best captcha would be, "play this flash game for 15 seconds" |
| 04:48.59 | bluspacecow | 3 hrs later .... |
| 04:49.12 | Jerub | bluspacecow: that's why it's called a captcha! |
| 04:49.27 | tekkub | I still don't get why my bank site has a captcha |
| 04:49.42 | tekkub | here's a novel idea, use passwords better than 4 DIGITS instead |
| 04:49.51 | tekkub | it's not a fucking ATM pin... |
| 04:49.52 | bluspacecow | or 123456 |
| 04:49.58 | Shirik | has anyone seen the "there's a map for that" commercials from verizon? |
| 04:50.00 | Shirik | so awesome |
| 04:50.25 | tekkub | I had to watch ~15min of ads at the movie last night |
| 04:50.36 | tekkub | after years without ads, it kinda just pissed me off |
| 04:50.51 | tekkub | why can't I just pay more for the fucking movie ticket and have a little peace? |
| 04:52.10 | Corrodias | because they want you to get pirated versions |
| 04:52.20 | Corrodias | deep down, that's the goal |
| 04:52.56 | Jerub | I haven't pirated nearly anything since abc.net.au got serious with their on demand service |
| 04:53.09 | Jerub | there's enough content released on it weekly to totally filly my viewing hours |
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| 04:59.49 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 04:59.54 | Fisker | are you ronery? |
| 05:00.11 | Shirik | rerry ronery |
| 05:00.16 | bluspacecow | did he just ask you if you were horney baby ? |
| 05:01.42 | Thunder_Child | thats what i got |
| 05:01.53 | Thunder_Child | s/got/understood/ |
| 05:02.01 | Jerub | bluspacecow: no, it's a reference to 'Team America: World Police" Where north korean president Kim Jong-Il sang a song about being lonely. |
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| 05:16.31 | Jerub | ... i think i overanalysed again. |
| 05:16.35 | Jerub | I did, didn't i? |
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| 05:26.08 | Shirik | wow gcc takes forever to compile |
| 05:28.14 | bryno | hi |
| 05:28.50 | Adys | adys@azura:~/ptr$ ls |
| 05:28.50 | Adys | ls: cannot open directory .: Permission denied |
| 05:28.53 | Adys | wtf is the launcher doing |
| 05:29.16 | Jerub | Adys: your user doesn't have execute permissions on the directory i'm guessing |
| 05:29.59 | Adys | d---r-x--- 13 adys adys 4096 2009-10-21 08:27 World of Warcraft Public Test |
| 05:30.09 | Adys | wtf is this |
| 05:30.11 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 05:30.14 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:30.18 | Shirik | those are win permissions imo |
| 05:31.13 | Arrowmaster | thats funny how he has group read and execute but still cant view it |
| 05:32.06 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: the way it works is that by having the bit not set on the user, but on the group, it allows all members of that group to access it except the user. |
| 05:32.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah but the owner is always allowed to change the permissions |
| 05:32.43 | Adys | I wasnt |
| 05:32.44 | Adys | had to sudo |
| 05:32.45 | Jerub | so to make a file that the wheel group can read/write but bob can't, you can do : chown bob:wheel $file ; chmod 060 $file |
| 05:33.05 | Shirik | ~wiki BUFGMUX |
| 05:33.11 | Adys | also |
| 05:33.12 | Shirik | oh you are fail |
| 05:33.15 | Shirik | ~wtf BUFGMUX |
| 05:33.16 | Adys | this is the launcher that did this |
| 05:34.29 | Shirik | BUFGMUX apparently stands for Global Clock MUX Buffer with Output State 0 |
| 05:34.43 | Adys | ~google BUFGMUX |
| 05:34.44 | Shirik | This is by the same company that says UCF means "Implementation Constraints File" |
| 05:34.53 | Adys | ~g BUFGMUX |
| 05:35.03 | Shirik | I think they need to l2acronym |
| 05:36.06 | Jerub | well, UTC stands for Coodinated Universal Time. |
| 05:36.40 | Jerub | but it's not in the correct order because UTC also means Temps Universel Coordonné in french |
| 05:37.15 | Corrodias | global cock mix |
| 05:38.13 | Shirik | at least it's the right letters |
| 05:38.19 | Shirik | I still haven't figured out what the FG stands for |
| 05:38.36 | Arrowmaster | fuck letters |
| 05:41.00 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:41.03 | Corrodias | fuckin' good |
| 05:41.03 | Shirik | morons on my team |
| 05:41.06 | Shirik | send me code that isn't working |
| 05:41.20 | Shirik | after 15 minutes I learn that the problem is because the clock isn't a clock at all |
| 05:41.27 | Shirik | the clock is tied to the reset button -_- |
| 05:41.35 | Shirik | it's like a manual clock -_- |
| 05:41.50 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 05:42.04 | Shirik | Like think clock on the processor |
| 05:42.17 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 05:42.20 | Shirik | except the code they wrote, instead of connecting to the clock, it connects to the reset button instead |
| 05:42.25 | Arrowmaster | not an rtc thats accurate between reboots |
| 05:42.32 | Shirik | no |
| 05:42.41 | Shirik | the clock input is literally connected to the reset button |
| 05:42.55 | Arrowmaster | so you kept resetting the system? |
| 05:42.55 | Shirik | the clock is determined by how fast the user pushes the reset button |
| 05:43.05 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 05:43.07 | Arrowmaster | wtf |
| 05:43.30 | Shirik | I wouldn't have a problem with stupid mistakes like this if it didn't take me 15 minutes to compile... |
| 05:43.55 | Arrowmaster | go get a gps device with a serial output for use as a stratum 0 time server and connect that to the reset button and show them |
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| 05:59.13 | Shirik | I love verilog warnings |
| 05:59.16 | Shirik | WARNING:ConstraintSystem:119 - Constraint <NET "LEDs[1]" LOC = "J15" ;> |
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| 05:59.24 | Shirik | All that says is "WARNING" followed by the line of code |
| 05:59.29 | Shirik | no indication of what the warning actually is |
| 05:59.33 | Shirik | just the line |
| 06:00.48 | jaxdahl | i taught myself vhdl in a week to fix a bug in a 10 year old piece of hardware at one of my previous jobs |
| 06:01.21 | Shirik | vhdl is so much better than verilog |
| 06:01.26 | Shirik | verilog has two major problems |
| 06:01.34 | Shirik | 1) Everything is legal, so it is extremely error prone |
| 06:01.51 | Shirik | 2) It gives you a warning for everything, so you learn to just ignore them, meaning the warnings are useless in the first place |
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| 06:14.00 | krka | i wonder if Shirik has just kept on talking the entire time since i left |
| 06:14.20 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:17.56 | Shirik | krka |
| 06:18.01 | Shirik | why are you so Fisker to me |
| 06:18.03 | Shirik | :( |
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| 06:21.41 | krka | am not! |
| 06:24.34 | Shirik | jnwhiteh! Did you see what I said?! |
| 06:24.37 | Shirik | You have cursed me |
| 06:30.32 | Elkano | what drama did I miss? ;) |
| 06:30.42 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, parse the warnings |
| 06:30.50 | Shirik | um |
| 06:30.54 | Shirik | when I get a warning that says nothing |
| 06:30.58 | Shirik | that doesn't work too well :) |
| 06:31.21 | Shirik | or my current favorite |
| 06:31.24 | Shirik | WARNING:Route:455 - CLK Net:counter<0> may have excessive skew because |
| 06:31.29 | Shirik | just because |
| 06:31.32 | Shirik | no reason, just cause |
| 06:34.42 | Thunder_Child | do you know why that happens Shirik? it's because |
| 06:34.50 | Shirik | .. |
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| 06:37.34 | Elkano | You want to know why? TOO BAD IT'S ME, BLACKSMITH! |
| 06:47.37 | krka | wtf weird, i just read a ZorbaTHut comment on slashdot without realising it was by him first |
| 06:50.06 | ZorbaTHut | I am everywhere |
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| 06:50.52 | krka | apparently |
| 07:01.01 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 07:01.30 | Cairenn | ? |
| 07:01.49 | Arrowmaster | ntpd keeps changing my system time back and forth by a few 10ths of a second |
| 07:02.42 | Arrowmaster | maybe i should remove the stratum 2 and 3 servers from its pool list |
| 07:06.33 | Jerub | are you running vmware? |
| 07:06.34 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:06.35 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: VM host, or dedicated? |
| 07:06.46 | Arrowmaster | dedicated |
| 07:11.55 | Shirik | I'll show you my dedicated host |
| 07:12.02 | Fisker | i remember you |
| 07:12.35 | Fisker | you remember me? |
| 07:12.41 | Shirik | LMAO Thunder_Child |
| 07:12.43 | Shirik | it got worse |
| 07:12.47 | Shirik | check out my warnings now |
| 07:13.08 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/126879 |
| 07:13.12 | Shirik | I think Yoda might have written the last one |
| 07:15.33 | Thunder_Child | interesting cutoff points |
| 07:18.26 | Fisker | can i disagree Shirik ? |
| 07:19.21 | Shirik | no |
| 07:19.22 | Fisker | ok |
| 07:19.22 | Fisker | sorry |
| 07:19.22 | olafski | hah this queldelar quest turns me into a blood elf for 5 minutes and I'm already hating it |
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| 07:21.17 | kd3 | it's not going to be as accessible as it is on the ptr. most of the issues of running into someone else on the quest won't crop up |
| 07:21.25 | kd3 | but still, highly annoying as it is right now |
| 07:22.22 | olafski | what issues oO |
| 07:23.17 | kd3 | 'zomg, let me talk to the questgiver. don't start the script event' |
| 07:23.28 | kd3 | with nearly every NPC involved in the chain |
| 07:23.29 | olafski | not noticed that yet |
| 07:23.37 | kd3 | which server are you on? |
| 07:23.51 | olafski | remulos |
| 07:23.58 | kd3 | isn't it like 7 am over there? |
| 07:23.59 | olafski | I'm just hating being a blood elf :P |
| 07:24.01 | olafski | yes |
| 07:24.05 | olafski | 9.23 actually ;p |
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| 07:24.27 | kd3 | that's why, then. it's prime time on the left coast over here and world+dog are trying to do the chain |
| 07:24.40 | olafski | :) |
| 07:24.45 | olafski | where does this thing normally drop? |
| 07:24.53 | kd3 | icecrown citadel |
| 07:24.55 | olafski | is it a "only top end raiders can get it" thing? |
| 07:25.13 | Arrowmaster | prime time? 12:30am is not prime time |
| 07:25.20 | kd3 | dunno. the quest npcs mention icecrown, they don't say where at |
| 07:25.29 | olafski | hrm |
| 07:26.12 | haste | ~wowalert |
| 07:26.13 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 07:26.56 | haste | Fisker: haha! Ravencrest is on the list of shit! |
| 07:26.57 | olafski | just arrived at the point where I have to go into IC |
| 07:27.05 | olafski | guess this is where I leave it :) |
| 07:27.17 | kd3 | if by IC you mean the pit of saron... |
| 07:27.37 | olafski | yer :P |
| 07:27.53 | Shirik | I think jnwhiteh is ignoring me :< |
| 07:28.06 | olafski | some people in this channel deserve to be ignored ;p |
| 07:28.07 | haste | Shirik: or he's at uni, based on the fact that it's 8:30 AM for him |
| 07:30.18 | haste | krka: he event commented on my thread :p |
| 07:30.46 | haste | s/t// |
| 07:30.58 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.08 | olafski | so.. anyone know who that new model posted on mmo-c is? I'm not into lore so I have no clue and I don't see it in the first few pages of comments |
| 07:33.12 | olafski | bet it's ragnaros in human form! |
| 07:34.44 | smcn | bolvar? |
| 07:35.46 | olafski | oO |
| 07:36.54 | olafski | hm he did die apparently |
| 07:41.40 | krka | haste: you made a thread on slashdot? which was it? |
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| 07:43.21 | olafski | oh pretty interesting story about bolvar :) thanks smcn |
| 07:44.13 | haste | krka: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1411665&cid=29815679 |
| 07:44.27 | haste | need to write a new comment on it later |
| 07:44.44 | haste | different arch doesn't matter at all |
| 07:44.52 | Shirik | pokes haste |
| 07:45.06 | haste | they could release some docs regarding communication with their GPUs and such |
| 07:45.15 | haste | velter Shirik. |
| 07:46.02 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:46.18 | Fisker | and when haven't ravencrest been on the list of shit? |
| 07:46.26 | haste | kantrer Fisker. |
| 07:47.00 | haste | Fisker: well, it's on the technical difficulties list now :D |
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| 07:50.43 | Shirik | what is a velter? |
| 07:50.46 | Shirik | or a kantrer? |
| 07:51.46 | haste | Shirik: tilting an object |
| 07:51.54 | Shirik | ? |
| 07:52.20 | haste | å velte/kantre -> to tilt |
| 07:54.31 | Shirik | why would you tilt me? |
| 07:54.32 | krka | isn't kantre mostly related to ships? |
| 07:56.19 | haste | Shirik: because you poked me :( |
| 07:56.27 | haste | krka: yeh, same with velte |
| 07:56.58 | Shirik | so you think I'm as fat as a ship? |
| 07:57.13 | Shirik | Cairenn, haste called me fat |
| 07:57.23 | Cairenn | laughs |
| 07:57.26 | Cairenn | yeah, right |
| 07:57.43 | krka | not all ships are fat... but you do resemble Vasa a bit... |
| 07:57.54 | Shirik | vasa? |
| 07:58.24 | krka | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_(ship) |
| 07:58.38 | krka | Vasa was built top-heavy with insufficient ballast. Despite an obvious lack of stability in port, she was allowed to set sail and foundered a few minutes later when she first encountered a wind stronger than a breeze. |
| 07:59.05 | Shirik | I'm top-heavy? |
| 07:59.19 | haste | aren't most people? |
| 07:59.53 | Shirik | I think most people in the US have a very solid center of gravity |
| 07:59.55 | Shirik | literally |
| 08:00.50 | krka | being top heavy makes it easier to kantre |
| 08:02.04 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: i was rowing. |
| 08:02.11 | Shirik | lies! |
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| 08:02.18 | jnwhiteh | any there's nothing wrong with lisp =) |
| 08:02.36 | krka | lithp |
| 08:03.07 | Shirik | jnwhiteh |
| 08:03.13 | Shirik | the very first example he showed |
| 08:03.17 | Shirik | was 39% parentheses |
| 08:03.20 | jnwhiteh | so =) |
| 08:03.26 | jnwhiteh | its also trivial to parse :P |
| 08:03.32 | Shirik | and that's including spaces! |
| 08:03.32 | jnwhiteh | and unambiguous |
| 08:03.40 | krka | lithp ith good for computers, leth good for humanth |
| 08:03.49 | jnwhiteh | lol =) |
| 08:03.51 | krka | i prefer haskell over lisp |
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| 08:15.24 | ZorbaTHut | yay I finished my game for this month |
| 08:15.29 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.mandible.net/2009/10/21/make-the-number-bigger/ it is a fun game and you should play it (note: previous statements may or may not be correct) |
| 08:16.39 | olafski | you seem to make quite esoteric games |
| 08:17.42 | ZorbaTHut | well, it's experimental. if you're spending only a week on a game, and you want it to be fun, you basically have to hit one note and hit it really solidly |
| 08:17.59 | ZorbaTHut | so there's kind of a limit to the conventional game mechanics and sheer content size that you can put into it. |
| 08:19.41 | Fisker | ZorbaTHut |
| 08:19.44 | Fisker | borderlands or gtfo |
| 08:20.10 | ZorbaTHut | borderlands sounds pretty cool, but I've got a pile of other stuff to work on also |
| 08:21.13 | krka | fun idea ZorbaTHut, but the mouse clicking is bugged |
| 08:21.16 | Arrowmaster | wonder if it will run with wine |
| 08:21.16 | Fisker | ZorbaTHut |
| 08:21.20 | krka | yes |
| 08:21.24 | Fisker | what did it say after "Borderlands or"? |
| 08:22.02 | ZorbaTHut | looking at it closely, I think it says "fisker gtfo" |
| 08:22.33 | olafski | I don't see why everybody is awaiting borderlands so much |
| 08:22.33 | olafski | everybody being the 3 people I've heard about it |
| 08:22.37 | Fisker | naw ZorbaTHut |
| 08:22.39 | olafski | looks pretty shitty to me |
| 08:22.47 | Fisker | wanna have lulz btw? |
| 08:22.48 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, i got 490 million |
| 08:22.56 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, enjoyable? |
| 08:23.09 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, i would have been if i could TURN OFF THE SOUND |
| 08:23.09 | ZorbaTHut | (also you can beat that by many orders of magnitude) |
| 08:23.12 | Thunder_Child | it* |
| 08:23.23 | ZorbaTHut | meh. your computer speakers have a volume control :P |
| 08:23.26 | Fisker | "The biggest benefit of using IWnet by far is the fact that you don't have to worry about joining a server full of aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters," |
| 08:23.28 | Fisker | hohohoho |
| 08:23.37 | Thunder_Child | what if i want to listen to music while i play? |
| 08:23.45 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* |
| 08:24.17 | krka | run it in a VM and turn down the volume of the vm! |
| 08:24.27 | Fisker | get windows 7 |
| 08:24.34 | Fisker | application specific volume sliders |
| 08:24.35 | Fisker | fuck yeah |
| 08:24.35 | Thunder_Child | not everyone has 7 wich give the ability to change volume on indavidual programs |
| 08:24.44 | Thunder_Child | i do, but still |
| 08:24.44 | Fisker | get it Thunder_Child |
| 08:24.56 | Fisker | i want to physically harm you if you do not get it |
| 08:24.57 | Corrodias | i like the individual volume control |
| 08:25.04 | Corrodias | i HATE that there's no way to reset a program's volume to default |
| 08:25.22 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, honestly, when spending a week on a game, certain bits get sacrificed |
| 08:25.24 | Fisker | i hate that it's dependant on the master volume |
| 08:25.26 | ZorbaTHut | like a main menu, and volume control :D |
| 08:25.32 | ZorbaTHut | (though at some point I'm implementing those in a generic sense) |
| 08:25.53 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, a volume controll should never be. |
| 08:26.21 | ZorbaTHut | Man, my first game almost didn't have a way to start over when you lost |
| 08:26.31 | ZorbaTHut | a volume control is totally unnecessary compared to that |
| 08:26.42 | Thunder_Child | volume control > than having to restart the program each time |
| 08:26.59 | ZorbaTHut | I disagree ;) |
| 08:27.48 | Thunder_Child | see, with that, it makes it difficult to play through multiple times, with this, it's difficult to play through the first time |
| 08:28.31 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, everyone I know has volume controls on their computers |
| 08:28.42 | Thunder_Child | i multitask |
| 08:28.46 | ZorbaTHut | and "i want to play music while playing a game that has critical sound effects" is just not a use case I care to spend much time on |
| 08:28.56 | ZorbaTHut | you sure don't multitask when playing that game, or you lose badly ;) |
| 08:29.08 | Thunder_Child | critical sound effect? |
| 08:29.19 | Thunder_Child | i did turn the sound off |
| 08:29.24 | Thunder_Child | nothing seemed critical |
| 08:29.42 | ZorbaTHut | it helps a *lot* with telling when things are showing up. That is, perhaps, why you only got 490 million |
| 08:29.53 | Thunder_Child | or maybe because i have never played before |
| 08:30.01 | ZorbaTHut | Perhaps, yeah. |
| 08:30.14 | ZorbaTHut | In any case, I still say your case is a very small niche case that is not worth spending a lot of time trying to deal with |
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| 08:38.14 | Fisker | likes ZorbaTHut |
| 08:38.55 | ZorbaTHut | it'll be something I plug in once I have the generalized framework, but that ain't happening for a bit |
| 08:41.46 | Kalroth | Speaking of which, do you think it'd be possible to make C#.net for Lua for WoW?! |
| 08:42.47 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, in theory, sure. in practice, it'd be too slow to be usable. you'd have to write a C# interpreter in Lua, and, uh, no. |
| 08:42.56 | Kalroth | Why not! |
| 08:43.32 | ZorbaTHut | because Lua, while fast for an interpreted language, is still an interpreted language |
| 08:43.51 | Kalroth | So is C# :p |
| 08:43.53 | ZorbaTHut | so you'd have to parse and process C# in realtime, within a language which is, itself, not exactly speedy |
| 08:43.58 | ZorbaTHut | no, C# is compiled to bytecode |
| 08:44.07 | ZorbaTHut | (alright so is lua technically, but not as efficiently) |
| 08:44.13 | Kalroth | Aha! |
| 08:44.26 | ZorbaTHut | and C# generally runs on a very high-quality JIT compiler |
| 08:44.39 | ZorbaTHut | whereas while there is a JIT available for Lua, it's not yet very advanced, and Blizzard doesn't use it |
| 08:44.53 | Kalroth | Can't we just say it's a JIT compiler that compiles, it is Microsoft afterall |
| 08:45.17 | ZorbaTHut | Also, serious JITs are invariably written with careful respect to the hardware and to assembly. You can't even access that stuff from within Blizzard Lua. |
| 08:45.53 | ZorbaTHut | Your absolute best would be to process C# into equivalent Lua code, then loadstring() that. And, uh, I suspect you'd have issues, seeing as how C# and Lua are quite different. |
| 08:46.05 | Kalroth | Sure, I'd have to hook the game client and inject an external JIT and redirect a few function calls, that goes without saying |
| 08:46.53 | ZorbaTHut | well, at that point, you're violating the EULA and we're no longer talking about "C#.net for Lua" |
| 08:47.03 | Kalroth | I didn't say which game! |
| 08:47.10 | ZorbaTHut | Yes you did. :) |
| 08:47.13 | ZorbaTHut | Kalroth> Speaking of which, do you think it'd be possible to make C#.net for Lua for WoW?! |
| 08:47.32 | Kalroth | WoW as in uhm, err, Widows of Wedlock! |
| 08:47.49 | ZorbaTHut | uh-huh ;) |
| 08:53.50 | krka | i agree with Kalroth, both C# and lua are interpretered" |
| 08:54.03 | krka | i.e. their standard usage is to be run by a VM |
| 08:54.07 | olafski | so you just have to translate C# to Lua! |
| 08:54.53 | Corrodias | are you a bad enough dude to translate C# to Lua? |
| 08:55.03 | olafski | I don't know C# |
| 08:55.05 | olafski | but surely it can be done |
| 08:55.22 | olafski | an interesting project fo' sho :) |
| 08:56.21 | Corrodias | hard mode: write all comments in ebonics |
| 08:56.32 | olafski | no clue what that is either ;) |
| 08:56.36 | olafski | maybe I'll start with php to Lua ;) |
| 08:56.59 | Adys | any git people here? |
| 08:59.19 | Kalroth | krka is a git |
| 09:00.03 | krka | that's what i get for agreeing? |
| 09:00.06 | Adys | yeah |
| 09:00.10 | Adys | thats what you git! |
| 09:00.13 | Adys | HAHAHAHAH |
| 09:00.17 | krka | well put |
| 09:01.31 | Adys | point is |
| 09:03.33 | Kalroth | krka: No, you're right. I apologize, you're not a git. |
| 09:05.01 | krka | hooray! |
| 09:05.31 | Kalroth | tries hard not to giggle. |
| 09:09.15 | olafski | is it hard to change code in frame addon so you can you mousever macros over this frames? |
| 09:17.14 | amro | Kalroth: yep, I'd say he's bizarre instead. |
| 09:21.34 | krka | funny! |
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| 09:33.27 | Adys | Arrowmaster: I found what you were talking about |
| 09:33.32 | Adys | A/52 dynamic range compression |
| 09:33.38 | Adys | toggling it had no effect tho |
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| 09:33.56 | foxlit | http://www.cslacker.com/images/funny/signs/posters_papers/the_real_table_of_elements/ |
| 09:36.45 | krka | funny! it's almost like evolution/creationism |
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| 09:38.16 | olafski | 4 kills to get my JC daily item to drop.. when will this madness end |
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| 10:51.40 | smcn | does PLAYER_ENTERING_BATTLEGROUND trigger on arenas as well? |
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| 10:56.54 | TopTop18 | Q: I'm sending several addonmessages to another user using my addon. This message wikll trigger an function at the other side. Can this function be called multiple times quickly after each other, I don;t have to wait till the other is ready for another call? I know stuff gets processed fast, but what if I call again when the previous call is still being processed? |
| 10:59.10 | TopTop18 | Or is it impossible for that to even happen and I shouldn't bother with it? |
| 10:59.28 | Kaso | TopTop18, lua in wow is not preemptively multi-threaded so each call will process to completion before the next one happens. However you can use coroutines to implement cooperatively multithreading |
| 11:00.03 | TopTop18 | Okay that last sentence is like voodoo for me xD |
| 11:00.22 | Kaso | hah |
| 11:00.23 | Kaso | well |
| 11:00.39 | Kaso | every call you make will lock up the whole UI till it finishes |
| 11:01.06 | Kaso | however you can use things called co-routines to say "i yield for a bit" and then work on something else |
| 11:01.31 | Kaso | what are you doing on the addon messages |
| 11:01.34 | TopTop18 | Well it's not much that has to be processed |
| 11:01.45 | TopTop18 | Trying to make somekind of databse sharing system thingy |
| 11:02.16 | Kaso | unless each call it taking a noticeable time to complete it wont be an issue |
| 11:02.49 | ZorbaTHut | toptop, you can send a chunk of messages, but you won't get a reply until "later" |
| 11:02.51 | ZorbaTHut | possibly never |
| 11:03.00 | ZorbaTHut | when you get messages, you'll get the appropriate event triggered |
| 11:03.45 | TopTop18 | So 1 asks hey i need some info from thisand that, but I already have this info. 2 will respond, here's info1, info2, info3 on seperate calls. 1 then fits each info seperately into the info it already has |
| 11:04.21 | TopTop18 | So my question is, is it possible to send info 2 "to quick" |
| 11:04.58 | Kaso | yes, but the issue you'll run into is the wow client being disconnected for sending too much info over the wire, rather than processing it at the other end |
| 11:05.03 | TopTop18 | Kaso, it won´t take much time at all, just fit it into an table |
| 11:05.13 | ZorbaTHut | Yes. There's a library called "chatthrottlelib" that can help with that |
| 11:05.25 | Kaso | (or ace comms has it built in if you're using that) |
| 11:06.14 | TopTop18 | Okay so I have to throttle the info to prevent being dced? What's the limit to be send? |
| 11:06.47 | Kaso | chat throttle lib implements the various complicated limitations for you |
| 11:06.55 | Kaso | and will queue up data you send too fast for sending in the future if you send too much |
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| 11:07.17 | Kaso | that was a terrible sentence but yeah you get the idea :( |
| 11:07.25 | TopTop18 | Nice that'll prevent a whole load of trouble |
| 11:08.27 | TopTop18 | Will look it up, thanks! |
| 11:09.04 | Kaso | thank Mikk ;p |
| 11:09.25 | TopTop18 | Thanks Mikk xD |
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| 11:17.33 | Fisker | haha |
| 11:17.52 | Fisker | the amount of bullshit coming from Robert Bowling in regards to MW2 on PC is mindboggling |
| 11:18.07 | Fisker | Trying hard to spin that story |
| 11:18.33 | Codayus_ | Fisker: Oh? What's to spin? |
| 11:19.48 | Fisker | Well sofar i've read him state that IWNet's dedicated server means that players don't have to worry about cheats |
| 11:20.17 | Fisker | And i've also read that IWNet's dedicated servers removes the barrier for players who can't setup and maintain their own servers |
| 11:20.21 | Fisker | which is bull of course |
| 11:20.25 | Codayus_ | Hmmm. |
| 11:20.35 | Fisker | Because they still can't maintain a dedicated server, because they're obviously not gonna have one |
| 11:21.20 | Codayus_ | Ah, interesting. So...you're supposed to just play on IW's servers? |
| 11:21.30 | Codayus_ | (Not been keeping up with news, obviously.) |
| 11:21.34 | Fisker | yep |
| 11:21.37 | Wobin | http://abstrusegoose.com/a/199.htm |
| 11:21.41 | Wobin | I'd totally play that |
| 11:21.50 | Fisker | You'll either have P2P (Private matches) or C/S (IWNet only) |
| 11:22.35 | Codayus_ | Hm. |
| 11:22.39 | Fisker | haha |
| 11:22.41 | Fisker | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 11:23.08 | Codayus_ | If it fixes cheating, it's good, but... Wonder where all IWNet servers will be. |
| 11:23.26 | foxlit | Server-side cheating, though? |
| 11:23.34 | foxlit | How often is that a problem? |
| 11:24.25 | Fisker | He did specifically mention wallhack, aimbots, etc. |
| 11:24.26 | Codayus_ | foxlit: Cheating in COD4 was an issue. They used PunkBuster to try and stop it, and it was...mixed effectiveness. Plus, it was ANNOYING. Whether a move to IW servers fixes it (or even helps)...I dunno. |
| 11:24.29 | Fisker | So i doubt this was his point |
| 11:24.40 | Fisker | It doesn't Codayus_ |
| 11:25.09 | Fisker | The only thing this would do is if there are people who do serverside cheats |
| 11:25.10 | Codayus_ | IW-run servers might be better at detecting/catching/be updated to deal with client side cheats. Maybe. Kinda. |
| 11:25.16 | Fisker | no. |
| 11:25.24 | Fisker | That would be the function of punkbuster |
| 11:25.32 | Codayus_ | Indeed. |
| 11:25.32 | Fisker | Servers won't make a difference in that matter |
| 11:26.04 | Codayus_ | Hmm, wonder how that plays out with letting you play on servers with tweaked settings/popular map rotations/whatever. |
| 11:26.44 | Fisker | Well as i understand it they'll put a number of dedicated servers up doing nothing |
| 11:26.49 | Codayus_ | And, anyhow, ping really MATTERS for FPS games. If IW isn't running servers in NZ or at least Eastern Australia, then this is a huge problem. |
| 11:26.52 | Fisker | And you'll configure the servers through matchmaking |
| 11:27.27 | Codayus_ | Hm, so kind of like Left4Dead. ...great, I hated that system. |
| 11:28.40 | Codayus_ | I dunno, COD4 was so fantastic, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. But I don't really understand what needed changing. :( |
| 11:28.43 | Corrodias | so what is IW? |
| 11:29.13 | Codayus_ | Corrodias: Infinity Ward, developer of every other Call of Duty game. (The ones that don't suck. The ones that are terrible and nobody plays are developed by Treyarch.) |
| 11:29.21 | Corrodias | oh, right |
| 11:30.02 | Fisker | i think the L4D matchmaking works due to the low numbers, the way the game is played and because it's coop |
| 11:30.25 | TopTop18 | Will messages handled by ChatThrottlelib just come in the other sid elike normal SendAddonMessages? |
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| 11:30.49 | Codayus_ | Fisker: I don't think the L4D matchmaking works. :( But yes, to the extent it isn't COMPLETELY terrible, yes. Notably I found it much much worse for versus mode than for the coop modes. |
| 11:30.52 | Fisker | The problem with MW2 is that it's a "join the action" type of game |
| 11:30.54 | jnwhiteh | TopTop18: yes |
| 11:31.00 | Corrodias | you're perfectly able to run your own L4D server if you want to |
| 11:31.19 | Corrodias | there are even ways that you can (usually) convince it to connect to that server from a lobby |
| 11:31.44 | TopTop18 | Okay Thanks :D |
| 11:31.46 | Codayus_ | Interesting. |
| 11:31.48 | Fisker | The only thing i'd wish they'd do would be "Official" or "non-modified" |
| 11:32.03 | Corrodias | most public, random, l4d servers are actually player-owned. a lot of them have mods on them. |
| 11:32.03 | Fisker | I've had my share of versus modes where there spawns a tank every time the other dies |
| 11:32.04 | TopTop18 | Wow only one more functrion to crete till I'm finished with the core of my addon oO |
| 11:32.15 | Corrodias | Valve also operates some. |
| 11:32.23 | TopTop18 | And I do need a new keyboard :( |
| 11:33.12 | Corrodias | there's no way to guarantee you'll get a server with or without mods if you're just joining random servers using the matchmaker. it works with what's available. but if you really want to make sure you're in control, it's totally possible to admin your own server. it can even be one that's available for public use when you're not on it. |
| 11:33.19 | Codayus_ | Mmm, interesting, I kind of got the feeling that all servers were Valve run. Or at least the ones you'd end up on if you randomly hit join. (I didn't play L4D all that much, obviously.) |
| 11:33.20 | foxlit | function kitchen(sink)? |
| 11:33.41 | foxlit | No addon core is complete without that. |
| 11:34.00 | TopTop18 | Ah no forgot that one :( |
| 11:34.35 | TopTop18 | Still need the bathroom(shower) to :( Got a lot to do then xD |
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| 11:41.43 | Adys | did they change guids again in last build? |
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| 11:58.36 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk |
| 11:58.44 | Wobin | hehe |
| 11:58.48 | Wobin | autotune Mk2 |
| 12:01.59 | Kaso | as much as i love feynman and tyson i think the first had a better song to it |
| 12:08.16 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/7132858 |
| 12:08.17 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 12:08.35 | Wobin | They could probably make chipped dice that would get registered on the Surface, surely? |
| 12:09.08 | Kaso | yah the dice throwing thing on that was silly |
| 12:09.25 | Kaso | also notice how often it doesnt recognise input properly |
| 12:09.32 | Kaso | he has to double tap menus and stuff |
| 12:12.20 | Wobin | It's a cool proof of concept |
| 12:13.22 | Fisker | i want borderlands |
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| 12:16.28 | Fisker | develops a game only like 1 person can play wee |
| 12:16.34 | Fisker | i.e a game for the mac |
| 12:16.53 | Wobin | Fisker, looking at http://www.gametrailers.com/video/opening-cinematic-borderlands/57778?type=flv ? |
| 12:17.08 | Fisker | old |
| 12:17.58 | Fisker | I heard it's out for PC in australia |
| 12:18.00 | Fisker | go get it Wobin |
| 12:18.13 | Fisker | and no i don't care it's nighttime |
| 12:20.28 | Wobin | I like the animation style |
| 12:20.36 | Wobin | interesting cel shading |
| 12:22.09 | Fisker | just do it Wobin |
| 12:22.13 | Fisker | i want to play tonight |
| 12:22.15 | Fisker | pleeease |
| 12:22.25 | Wobin | it's 11:20pm |
| 12:22.29 | Wobin | and time for me to go to bed =( |
| 12:22.53 | Fisker | It's time for you to hope a gamestore near you has a midnight opening tonight |
| 12:26.46 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0SeGAi3II8 |
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| 12:43.53 | Jerub | w |
| 12:44.08 | Jerub | what's better for a kitty? +32 AP or +16 agi? |
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| 12:45.06 | Lopeppeppy | How much AP does 1 point of agility get you? |
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| 12:46.21 | Jerub | 1.19 |
| 12:46.40 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like if you're focusing on AP, the +32 is better then. |
| 12:46.49 | Lopeppeppy | However, do you need dodge, or something else that agility gives you? |
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| 12:48.22 | Jerub | yeah, i do share some of this equipment with my bear |
| 12:50.07 | Lopeppeppy | Then you need to look at that aspect as well. |
| 12:50.24 | Lopeppeppy | See... it's never as easy as "which is better, X or Y" because you have to ask all of these questions. |
| 12:50.53 | Jerub | yeah, just tryring to figure this out |
| 12:51.03 | Jerub | i think i'm at the point now where i need to seriously consider strength |
| 12:51.13 | Jerub | actually, it just occurred to me str = 2.3 AP |
| 12:51.22 | Pneumatus | remember, agi gives crit also |
| 12:51.29 | Pneumatus | but as a kitty, you probably want ArP :P |
| 12:52.07 | Jerub | true, my ArP is currently 145 |
| 12:52.22 | Lopeppeppy | ArP? |
| 12:52.28 | alestane | Armor Penetration. |
| 12:52.46 | Pneumatus | our kitty has 753 by the looks of armory |
| 12:52.49 | alestane | (I presume.) |
| 12:52.55 | Pneumatus | + grim toll |
| 12:53.18 | Pneumatus | and he gems arp/agu |
| 12:53.22 | Pneumatus | *agu |
| 12:53.25 | Pneumatus | gah |
| 12:53.27 | Pneumatus | AGI |
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| 12:56.06 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, thanks. |
| 12:58.50 | Pneumatus | Jerub: Rawr has a pretty well maintained kitty module if you want suggestions as well |
| 13:00.21 | Akarou | Anybody know what type a totem's guid will show as? |
| 13:02.22 | Jerub | Pneumatus: due to stuff i can't run rawr |
| 13:02.41 | alestane | "Buying gold makes baby murlocs cry." |
| 13:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | I do like that one. |
| 13:03.18 | Jerub | i just gemmed a heap of agi. |
| 13:03.32 | Jerub | it's helped my dodge and crit heaps |
| 13:07.17 | Jerub | okay, was wearing the wrong gear, ArP was at 224, now at 264. |
| 13:09.03 | Jerub | my poor bear is suffering. every time i muck with gems and chants his hp goes down |
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| 13:47.50 | mikma | ~wowalert |
| 13:47.51 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 14:14.50 | Fisker | booo |
| 14:14.59 | Fisker | Alaina Huffman ruined SG:U! |
| 14:15.34 | Sesshu | realy? |
| 14:16.14 | Fisker | yeah |
| 14:16.17 | Fisker | She's pregnant |
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| 14:16.57 | Ackis | Fisker: who's alaina huffman? |
| 14:17.27 | Fisker | She plays the medic |
| 14:17.32 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. |
| 14:17.41 | Lopeppeppy | They can work around her for a good long while, Fisker. |
| 14:17.41 | foxlit | grr. |
| 14:17.45 | Bruners | Fisker: medics cant get pregnant in SG:U ? |
| 14:17.51 | foxlit | Character Select -> Loading Screen -> Disconnected |
| 14:18.11 | Fisker | Bruners would've been akward if it was the lesbian who got pregnant |
| 14:18.13 | Fisker | :D |
| 14:18.21 | Bruners | why ? |
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| 14:18.26 | mikma | foxlit: our server just masskicked people out |
| 14:18.32 | Fisker | fu Bruners |
| 14:18.35 | Lopeppeppy | Boot to the head. |
| 14:18.35 | Ackis | Fisker: medic, meh |
| 14:18.37 | mikma | foxlit: been lagging like hell for 30min+ |
| 14:18.44 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: boot to the stomach will solve the issue |
| 14:19.20 | Fisker | baby gets killed in a wormhole |
| 14:19.20 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis. |
| 14:19.21 | Ackis | car fire, die in it right? |
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| 14:19.21 | Bruners | Fisker: i bet they have that thing they do that i dont remember the name of in SG:U as well |
| 14:19.21 | Lopeppeppy | So very not funny that I can't imagine telling you how nasty that is. |
| 14:19.36 | foxlit | mikma: Northrend seems more problematic than other continents. |
| 14:19.41 | foxlit | Yet /who Dalaran returns people. |
| 14:20.04 | Bruners | Fisker: in other news, i don't know what SG:U is, could be some cave man show for all i know |
| 14:20.32 | Fisker | Stargate: Universe newb |
| 14:20.43 | alestane | I know channeled spells run faster for the same effect if you have haste. Do HoTs and DoTs also? |
| 14:20.52 | Fisker | nope |
| 14:21.02 | Fisker | But they're doing some changes in 3.3 so some does |
| 14:21.06 | Fisker | and you can glyph others |
| 14:21.47 | Lopeppeppy | Bruners, check Hulu if you're in the states. |
| 14:22.16 | Bruners | im in the country next to Fiskerland |
| 14:22.17 | Ackis | speaking of hulu I need someone who has a proxy in the US to let me use it so I can watch hulu |
| 14:22.56 | Bruners | is Hulu super awesome ? |
| 14:23.08 | Fisker | i disagree that it's next to Fiskerland |
| 14:23.19 | Ackis | Bruners: it's just another reason why the yanks suck :P |
| 14:23.24 | Grum | alestane: depends which channeled spells |
| 14:23.34 | Fisker | not even the yanks that suck Ackis |
| 14:23.45 | Grum | mindflay: yes; rest: no -- afaik |
| 14:23.47 | Ackis | Fisker: netflix AND hulu == suckage |
| 14:23.52 | Fisker | maybe |
| 14:24.12 | Fisker | but it's the stupid tv stations that buy the episodes that say "OMG NOES NOONE ON TEH INTERNETS GET TO SEE IT |
| 14:24.13 | Fisker | " |
| 14:24.15 | Grum | just download your episodes! |
| 14:25.14 | alestane | My mage friend says his Blizzard definitely runs faster, but we haven't gotten out the stopwatch or anything. |
| 14:26.12 | Lopeppeppy | Be nice to have hots and dots run faster, but just think of the fun of managing aggro then! |
| 14:26.16 | Ackis | Fisker: do you have twitter or facebook? |
| 14:26.58 | Adys | ~ping |
| 14:26.59 | purl | ~pong |
| 14:27.13 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 14:27.16 | Fisker | cancer = cancer |
| 14:27.35 | Ackis | my brother has cancer |
| 14:27.35 | Ackis | so does my dad |
| 14:27.39 | Ackis | and my mom |
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| 14:27.44 | Ackis | (well mom not so much anymore) |
| 14:31.29 | alestane | Do we understand, will the Glyph of Quick Decay mean that corruption does more damage overall, or just that it runs faster? |
| 14:32.02 | Bruners | Fisker: i bet you have twitter and facebook |
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| 14:33.15 | _rane | can I fake combat log events somehow to test triggers on addons? |
| 14:34.25 | alestane | Well, you can test a particular frame with frame:GetScript("OnEvent")(frame, event, args). |
| 14:34.39 | Ackis | Bruners: methinks he owns stock in both of them |
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| 14:46.57 | Ackis | Fisker: have you pre-ordered dragon age yet? |
| 14:47.32 | Ackis | and here's a twit just for you Fisker |
| 14:47.33 | Ackis | EAPlayYou know what today is? LITTLEST PET SHOP Friends for the Wii & DS ships today! |
| 14:49.14 | Lopeppeppy | But I don't want pets. |
| 14:50.17 | Ackis | Fisker: quit making tickets: http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/1924-i-got-an-error-message/ |
| 14:51.20 | zenzelezz | should've thought of that before you tamed me peppy |
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| 14:52.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'll still feed you, zenzelezz. |
| 14:52.14 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 14:52.37 | Ackis | I'm reading between the lines and I'm scared |
| 14:55.56 | Ackis | cogwheel: I'm using your facebook/twitter suggestion, I hope it doesn't fail me! |
| 14:58.27 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:59.51 | cogwheel | fails Ackis |
| 15:01.15 | Ackis | nooooooooooooooooo |
| 15:01.55 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:01.56 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:03.07 | Bruners | Ackis: why did you make Fisker's ticket invalid :( |
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| 15:04.47 | Ackis | Bruners: because he's a moran |
| 15:05.45 | Seerah | Ackis: http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=moran&gwp=13 ? ;) |
| 15:06.20 | Ackis | Seerah: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moran |
| 15:06.52 | Seerah | nice :) |
| 15:07.41 | Ackis | afk for a few :D but yah that's why Fisker is a moran :D |
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| 15:53.47 | maddeathelf | hai. can anyone help me with a pastey plix. I'm screwing up on a metatable |
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| 15:54.44 | maddeathelf | it's http://www.pastey.net/126894 |
| 15:55.45 | nevcairiel | you screwed up there |
| 15:55.51 | nevcairiel | you forgot to index the table with i |
| 15:56.03 | nevcairiel | on line 4 |
| 15:56.38 | maddeathelf | [bossindex][i][index]? |
| 15:56.44 | nevcairiel | yea |
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| 15:56.48 | maddeathelf | cheers |
| 15:56.58 | maddeathelf | my brain is turning to much |
| 15:56.59 | nevcairiel | you iterate over both tables, so you need to index them as well |
| 15:57.01 | maddeathelf | mush* |
| 15:57.23 | foxlit | simplify it to v[index] = level, tbh |
| 15:58.49 | maddeathelf | i'm getting bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got string) |
| 15:59.03 | maddeathelf | with the [bossindex][i][index] |
| 15:59.12 | maddeathelf | well. with both |
| 16:01.35 | maddeathelf | ah nvm. i screwed up my table with the first attempt. will reset it and try agian |
| 16:02.06 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 16:04.13 | maddeathelf | btw ty both. after i fixed the table from my earlier screwup that worked fine! |
| 16:05.15 | Lunessa | Morning. Been here 15 minutes, work already sucks. |
| 16:06.07 | Lopeppeppy | I hear ya, darlin'. *huggle* |
| 16:15.57 | Ackis | Fisker: assassins creed = $5 == on steam |
| 16:16.11 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 16:18.36 | Lunessa | imagines Ackis in a white hood wandering around and killing things from stealth. |
| 16:19.11 | Ackis | Lunessa: I read the first part of that, and I figured you'd end up saying "with a torch" |
| 16:19.33 | Lunessa | Ackis: No, those guys aren't funny. |
| 16:20.11 | Ackis | well a bunch of guys dressed up in sheets, acting like morans /shrug |
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| 16:22.21 | Ackis | man the bastards in the hostage situation are going to get the day off work it seems |
| 16:23.25 | alestane | The perfidy! |
| 16:25.06 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20566389843&sid=1 |
| 16:25.13 | foxlit | It's official, Snape kills Arthas with Rosebud. |
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| 16:32.47 | kd3 | lmfao |
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| 16:35.38 | kd3 | I'm almost surprised... I'd figured they would've made more of an effort to keep the LK encounter out of the public client til closer to the end of testing... wonder if it's getting added on friday? |
| 16:36.02 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/652/ |
| 16:36.40 | zenzelezz | death by rosebud? That sounds downright dirty |
| 16:40.57 | zenzelezz | so Remedy released a free version of Death Rally that works on XP/Vista/7... now that's awesome |
| 16:41.05 | Fisker | also old |
| 16:41.17 | zenzelezz | the original sure is |
| 16:41.26 | zenzelezz | almost as old as Fisker's jokes |
| 16:43.15 | Fisker | i mean the new version is old zenzelezz |
| 16:43.48 | zenzelezz | doesn't bother me |
| 16:44.11 | Fisker | doesn't bother me either |
| 16:44.24 | zenzelezz | clearly does if you bother to comment about its age |
| 16:44.52 | Fisker | naw |
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| 16:58.24 | foxlit | Failurenet :( |
| 17:04.55 | NightHawkTheSane | is not feeling work today... |
| 17:09.18 | Ackis | I'm not sure if I"m just not feeling well or if my gall bladder is acting up :( |
| 17:10.18 | NightHawkTheSane | you're comingdown with the plague |
| 17:10.28 | Ackis | cool |
| 17:10.36 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:10.56 | foxlit | a large *plagued* trout, surely. |
| 17:11.53 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe a large plaqued trout? |
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| 17:29.18 | Lopeppeppy | plague trouts? |
| 17:30.51 | Lopeppeppy | Zombie trout. *grin* |
| 17:33.40 | Fisker | sigh |
| 17:33.46 | Fisker | people have shitty memory |
| 17:33.56 | Fisker | "ZOMG BLIZZARD MAKING AN ANTI-GOLD CAMPAIGN" |
| 17:34.01 | Fisker | Welcome to like 2008 or something |
| 17:34.49 | Fisker | probably even 2007 |
| 17:37.06 | Tepel | pictures or it didn't happen |
| 17:38.13 | Lunessa | Interesting read. http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/windows_7_review |
| 17:38.24 | Tepel | Hmmm, how to circumvent a 3rd party library with shitty class naming |
| 17:40.46 | Tepel | The only thing that currently annoys me about win7 is the intel-hda driver |
| 17:41.01 | cog|work | hugs his msdn subscription |
| 17:41.06 | Tepel | attach a regular AC97 connector to the mobo and the front audio doesn't work |
| 17:41.07 | Lopeppeppy | Tepel, write your own library if you don't like the othe rone. |
| 17:41.18 | cog|work | Tepel: adapter pattern? |
| 17:41.45 | Tepel | Well, there are options, but the library relies heavily of being able to be xml serialized ... |
| 17:41.58 | Tepel | as in, the class/property names are used in xml |
| 17:42.21 | Tepel | Now that wouldn't be a problem if they didn't name class like f_1_1_22_soemthing_something |
| 17:42.37 | Tepel | w ... t ... f |
| 17:43.35 | Tepel | In .NET is could use a simple alias to circumvent most problems, but I'd have to define them in every file I'd use them in |
| 17:44.05 | Tepel | Damn you .net for not having #include! |
| 17:44.31 | cog|work | just make your own wrapper classes with "good" names |
| 17:44.32 | Arrowmaster | Tepel: the bios should have an option to select if you connected an hd-audio connector or ac97 connector |
| 17:44.44 | Tepel | hmmmm |
| 17:44.48 | Tepel | I wonder Arrowmaster |
| 17:44.56 | Arrowmaster | mine has an option |
| 17:45.26 | Tepel | cog|work: that's the only option I have, but then I'd need a way to upcast the deserialized objects |
| 17:45.54 | cog|work | make that part of the adapter itself |
| 17:46.39 | Tepel | wtb pointer to types |
| 17:46.48 | cog|work | reflection? |
| 17:46.51 | Tepel | hehe |
| 17:46.58 | Tepel | That's a tad overkill |
| 17:47.23 | Tepel | Meh, I'll figure something out |
| 17:47.48 | Tepel | Throw in a factory pattern |
| 17:47.57 | Tepel | And use "var" instead of the real type |
| 17:47.59 | cog|work | wonders where his design patterns chart got off to... |
| 17:49.23 | Tepel | Time to hit the gas station |
| 17:52.32 | cog|work | there's a fundamental flaw in the idea of grabbing a handful of tacks... |
| 17:55.05 | Lopeppeppy | .... mmm, tacks |
| 17:56.10 | Fisker | mainstream'd |
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| 18:03.20 | Tepel | cog|work: come again? |
| 18:04.54 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: thats a cruel joke you play on the new intern, isnt it? :P |
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| 18:05.48 | cog|work | Tepel: was unrelated... |
| 18:06.09 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: just something i found myself doing in my haze of non-caffeinatedness |
| 18:07.24 | cog|work | My shrine is mocking me... must find caffeine |
| 18:07.37 | Shirik | (14:04:56) * cog|work [13:47:59] wonders where his design patterns chart got off to... |
| 18:07.41 | Shirik | just a chart? |
| 18:07.46 | Shirik | You need the GoF book |
| 18:07.54 | cog|work | I do... not in the budget atm |
| 18:07.56 | Tepel | I got some Caffeine and sugarwater right here |
| 18:07.58 | cog|work | do need* |
| 18:08.25 | cog|work | has 32 empty units of caffeine in his shrine |
| 18:08.30 | Shirik | that book is so much <3 for me |
| 18:08.32 | kd3 | whee, filesystem corruption |
| 18:08.35 | Shirik | company bought it for me ^_^ |
| 18:08.44 | Tepel | Awesome note about my current education "Let's wait until the 3rd year to start giving design patterns" |
| 18:08.57 | cog|work | well, 31 plus an unwrapped bar of shower shock |
| 18:09.29 | cog|work | hmm... it's been a couple years since i asked for books... |
| 18:09.30 | Tepel | lol |
| 18:09.36 | Tepel | soap with caffeine ... |
| 18:09.46 | kd3 | Oct 21 14:00:47 localhost kernel: Filesystem "md0": corrupt inode 1073759292 (btree). Unmount and run xfs_repair. |
| 18:09.53 | kd3 | yay, if only xfs_repair would fix that... |
| 18:11.19 | cog|work | i need to start organizing this in groups... I've got 8 different Monster cans, 6 different Dews, 4 different Bawls 4 rockstars, and some other miscellaneous ones |
| 18:12.25 | Shirik | localhost kernel: Filesystem "md0": Hard drive on fire |
| 18:14.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:14.59 | cog|work | needs GoF, D&E, TC++PL, and why not TAOCP for good measure |
| 18:15.01 | Shirik | problems with having a language that has "if" and "else" that only spans one line |
| 18:15.18 | Shirik | but has "begin" and "end" to create a block for multiple statements |
| 18:15.25 | Shirik | I just wrote a line that says "end else begin" |
| 18:16.13 | nevcairiel | does it not work on one line? ;) |
| 18:16.14 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/126895 |
| 18:16.22 | Shirik | well it's only one statement |
| 18:16.23 | Shirik | not one line |
| 18:16.27 | Shirik | like C without a brace |
| 18:16.33 | Shirik | begin and end are your braces |
| 18:16.39 | nevcairiel | so it works |
| 18:16.46 | nevcairiel | whats your problem now? :D |
| 18:16.56 | cog|work | it looks funny imo |
| 18:16.57 | Shirik | the fact that "end else begin" is ugly |
| 18:17.18 | Lopeppeppy | is sleeeeeepy |
| 18:17.27 | cog|work | Sleepeppeppy |
| 18:17.38 | Shirik | HDLs are so wierd |
| 18:17.53 | Shirik | that's what we get for letting electrical engineers invent a language |
| 18:18.15 | cog|work | Shirik: i before e except after c except when the word sounds like weigh, or words like weird |
| 18:18.25 | Shirik | whatever! |
| 18:18.35 | Lopeppeppy | Awesome, Cogwheel. Fluff up a pillow, I'm on my way to your house for a nap. |
| 18:19.12 | Ackis | HDL = hardwre definition language? |
| 18:20.21 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:20.27 | Shirik | yes Ackis |
| 18:20.32 | Shirik | actually I think it's description |
| 18:20.34 | Shirik | ~HDL |
| 18:20.38 | Shirik | ~wtf HDL |
| 18:20.44 | Shirik | ~wiki HDL |
| 18:20.49 | Fisker | ~google HDL |
| 18:20.57 | Shirik | description |
| 18:21.10 | nevcairiel | hong-kong disneyland imho |
| 18:21.26 | Ackis | I think that's what I played around in my uni course back in the day... iirc we used software called xilinx to program circuit boards. It was a lot of fun to make led's flash :P |
| 18:21.33 | cog|work | DLP = Disneyland Paris? |
| 18:22.14 | nevcairiel | I hated VHDL in university |
| 18:22.16 | nevcairiel | was so weird |
| 18:22.18 | Shirik | Xilinx is actually a company :) |
| 18:22.22 | Shirik | VHDL is so much better than Verilog |
| 18:22.32 | nevcairiel | thinking in vhdl when youre a software developer is just wrong |
| 18:22.39 | Shirik | but yes Xilinx is basically the standard for HDL compilers |
| 18:22.41 | Ackis | I liked the parallel idea behind it |
| 18:22.48 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Thinking in hardware when you're a software developer is wrong |
| 18:22.49 | cog|work | Ackis: making flashing leds was pretty much everything i ever wanted to do with electronics |
| 18:22.52 | Shirik | It's not the fault of the language |
| 18:22.55 | Shirik | it's the fault of what you're doing |
| 18:23.01 | cog|work | has a feeling Star Trek might have been a factor |
| 18:23.02 | nevcairiel | Shirik: well they forced us! |
| 18:23.11 | Shirik | Yeah but you can't blame VHDL for that :) |
| 18:23.25 | Shirik | Complaining about how a = b; b = a; and a and b still have different values |
| 18:23.27 | nevcairiel | its what i know |
| 18:23.28 | nevcairiel | or knew rather |
| 18:23.29 | Shirik | well, that's how it works in hardware! |
| 18:23.49 | nevcairiel | i don't think i could still produce a simple counter with it :P |
| 18:23.54 | Thunder_Child | heh "We've already noted a problem where the 25 player version of Rotface had 10 player health and damage values, which makes the fight RATHER quick. We're trying to hotfix that currently." |
| 18:23.56 | Shirik | oh come on |
| 18:24.04 | Shirik | always @(posedge clk) counter <= counter + 1; |
| 18:24.07 | nevcairiel | maybe in pseudo-vhdl-code |
| 18:24.12 | Shirik | it's harder in vhdl |
| 18:24.14 | nevcairiel | but syntax is gone from my head |
| 18:24.16 | Shirik | but vhdl is better |
| 18:24.40 | Fisker | makes Shirik a fart :3 |
| 18:24.44 | cog|work | wonders what Texas Instruments thinks of http://www.dlp.info/ |
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| 18:26.16 | Thunder_Child | uhhh "Your spell casts have a chance to grant 100 mana per 5 sec for until cancelled." |
| 18:26.29 | Thunder_Child | that seems slightly wrong |
| 18:26.53 | nevcairiel | I dont think TI would go against disney for the domain :P |
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| 18:27.39 | cog|work | i don't even think it's disney's site... |
| 18:27.40 | Shirik | lol Thunder_Child |
| 18:27.42 | Shirik | I like it |
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| 18:28.02 | nevcairiel | meh, probably not |
| 18:28.09 | cog|work | Copyright 1999 - 2009 DLP.info |
| 18:30.18 | kd3 | yay, f12beta download's done |
| 18:30.20 | kd3 | looks for a dvd |
| 18:33.22 | kd3 | oh, lol: "We've already noted a problem where the 25 player version of Rotface had 10 player health and damage values, which makes the fight RATHER quick." |
| 18:33.29 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:33.39 | Fisker | that sounds like some silly fedora shit right there |
| 18:33.47 | Fisker | but that would be called fc! |
| 18:33.57 | kd3 | not since fedora... oh... 8? |
| 18:34.01 | kd3 | after the extras merge |
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| 18:37.04 | Shirik | end else if (vendctr < ONE_SEC) begin |
| 18:37.11 | Shirik | this language needs to die |
| 18:37.25 | Cide | nou |
| 18:37.31 | Shirik | I think my absolute favorite part |
| 18:37.36 | Shirik | every block ends with "end" much like Lua |
| 18:37.37 | Shirik | EXCEPT |
| 18:37.38 | Shirik | case |
| 18:37.40 | nevcairiel | write yourself a preprocessor and replace braces by begin..end |
| 18:37.46 | Shirik | which for some reason ends with endcase |
| 18:37.51 | Shirik | because it was special |
| 18:37.52 | Cide | nice |
| 18:37.54 | Cide | consistency ftw |
| 18:38.13 | Cide | what nevcairiel said |
| 18:38.23 | Cide | only you do case ... { ... }case |
| 18:38.35 | Shirik | of course |
| 18:38.40 | nevcairiel | heh yeah for case it would be weird |
| 18:38.45 | Shirik | this is nothing compared to the warnings the compiler gives you |
| 18:39.23 | foxlit | Shirik: does every block start with begin, then? |
| 18:39.29 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:39.36 | foxlit | Except case? |
| 18:40.05 | Shirik | that's hard to answer |
| 18:40.09 | Shirik | the correct answer is "sometimes" lol |
| 18:40.13 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:40.27 | nevcairiel | does that language even have a defined grammar? :P |
| 18:40.40 | Shirik | I think its grammar is such that everything is legal |
| 18:40.41 | Adys | Cide: http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/all/foo/#tab=creature |
| 18:40.43 | Adys | \o/ |
| 18:40.44 | Shirik | but almost nothing lets you do what you want |
| 18:40.47 | Adys | (ctrl f5) |
| 18:40.50 | Shirik | for example |
| 18:41.03 | Shirik | reg [2:0] a; reg [0:3] b; b <= a; |
| 18:41.05 | Shirik | totally legal |
| 18:41.18 | Shirik | put a 3 bit number into a 2-bit number, despite that their endianness is different |
| 18:41.22 | Shirik | no warnings |
| 18:41.23 | foxlit | "LF healers for toc10, /w 25 man ach" |
| 18:41.25 | foxlit | teehee |
| 18:41.25 | Shirik | perfectly defined |
| 18:41.34 | Shirik | but probably very broken :P |
| 18:41.43 | Cide | Adys: the way the tabs change width looks weird |
| 18:42.00 | Adys | its the bold thing |
| 18:42.02 | Adys | also |
| 18:42.04 | Adys | try scrollwheel |
| 18:42.05 | Shirik | here nevcairiel |
| 18:42.08 | Shirik | WARNING:Route:455 - CLK Net:display/slowClock/out may have excessive skew because |
| 18:42.12 | Shirik | that's the entire warning |
| 18:42.26 | nevcairiel | because.... yeah :P |
| 18:42.45 | Shirik | in their defense, some of their warnings are actually useful |
| 18:42.48 | Shirik | WARNING:Xst:2677 - Node <CARRYOUT> of sequential type is unconnected in block <hundreds>. |
| 18:44.26 | Shirik | I think the most interesting thing to learn from programming with HDLs though is how close you get to the hardware. You actually have to take time to say "ok, I will never multiply" |
| 18:44.31 | Shirik | things you don't think about in software |
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| 18:46.20 | foxlit | I will multiply by adding repeatedly. |
| 18:46.22 | foxlit | Eat that, hardware. |
| 18:46.29 | Shirik | what, like a loop? |
| 18:46.38 | dear_light | i have an addon where i list the .lua files in the .toc and they dont seem to be able to call methods in eachother... is there something more than listing in the .toc that i should be doing? |
| 18:46.45 | Shirik | There are no synthesizable loops in Verilog |
| 18:46.49 | Ackis | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/10/19/funny-pictures-video-kitteh-big-doggy/ |
| 18:46.50 | nevcairiel | Shirik: nah, just tacked together |
| 18:46.52 | Shirik | it would be meaningless - everything happens at the same time |
| 18:47.20 | Shirik | dear_light: Are they local? And they're not methods, they're functions. |
| 18:47.39 | dear_light | different languages call them different things but no they are not loal |
| 18:47.48 | Shirik | different languages do not call them different things |
| 18:47.50 | nevcairiel | technically Lua doesnt even have methods |
| 18:47.50 | Shirik | they are two different things |
| 18:47.56 | nevcairiel | you can emulate them, though =P |
| 18:48.12 | Shirik | there is nothing more than putting them in the toc file, no |
| 18:48.17 | Shirik | so you must be doing something else wrong |
| 18:48.53 | dear_light | and if there is a distinct difference for future reference what is it? |
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| 18:50.03 | foxlit | Shirik: no, in parallel. |
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| 18:50.34 | Shirik | how do you write that? Unless you know exactly how many to multiply :) |
| 18:50.46 | Shirik | writing a*b for variable a and b is nontrivial though |
| 18:50.56 | Shirik | dear_light: Methods are members of objects that operate on an instance |
| 18:51.01 | Shirik | Functions are not |
| 18:51.25 | dear_light | tyty |
| 18:51.58 | foxlit | Shirik: bits! And stuff! And more stuff! |
| 18:52.18 | Shirik | stabs foxlit |
| 18:53.09 | foxlit | evades. |
| 18:53.53 | Shirik | fu I wasn't standing on a rock |
| 18:54.01 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:54.25 | Shirik | waits another 15 minutes for this code to compile.... |
| 18:54.35 | Shirik | wtb incremental compiler for FPGAs |
| 18:54.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: time for a sword fight on rolling chairs |
| 18:54.42 | foxlit | I challenge you to a chair sword-fight! |
| 18:54.45 | kd3 | ^ |
| 18:54.47 | NightHawkTheSane | high fives foxlit |
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| 19:00.20 | Fisker | oh neat |
| 19:00.26 | Fisker | apparently i had fraps installed |
| 19:00.27 | NightHawkTheSane | can someone type some crazy unicode? some *kana or whatever would be great |
| 19:00.38 | Fisker | So i had like 1TB of fraps movies i didn't know about |
| 19:00.44 | zenzelezz | ð´´ |
| 19:01.23 | NightHawkTheSane | blarg. |
| 19:01.32 | Lopeppeppy | bing |
| 19:01.38 | zenzelezz | I have no idea what, if any, character that is, I just hit a random combo |
| 19:01.38 | Arrowmaster | that didnt display for me either |
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| 19:02.00 | Shirik | wtf is that Fisker |
| 19:02.07 | zenzelezz | â |
| 19:02.08 | Shirik | it looks like you threw a bunch of dots at my screen |
| 19:02.15 | zenzelezz | that last one should be a < with a / through |
| 19:02.19 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: okay, that worked |
| 19:02.25 | Fisker | haha Shirik |
| 19:02.26 | Fisker | l2p |
| 19:02.33 | NightHawkTheSane | cool, I think i fixed this so it displays unicode correctly' |
| 19:02.52 | Shirik | more dots: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/001a3931e00afa15b3732a728c43b299.png |
| 19:02.56 | kd3 | 馬鹿 |
| 19:03.26 | Fisker | write something in japanese Shirik |
| 19:03.29 | Shirik | ãã¯ãããããã¾ããããããã§ããï¼ |
| 19:03.36 | Fisker | hot |
| 19:03.40 | Fisker | usually it was boxes |
| 19:03.42 | Fisker | but now it aint |
| 19:03.42 | Fisker | :O |
| 19:03.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ã· |
| 19:03.46 | nevcairiel | is that a japanese question mark at the end? :P |
| 19:03.49 | Lunessa | Shirik: Stop dots/. |
| 19:03.51 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:03.57 | nevcairiel | why is it special? |
| 19:04.01 | Shirik | hell if I know :P |
| 19:04.07 | Shirik | I just use the ? key |
| 19:04.10 | Shirik | but I was in Japanese mode |
| 19:04.12 | Shirik | so it used that character |
| 19:04.16 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:04.48 | Arrowmaster | its a double width question mark i think |
| 19:04.55 | NightHawkTheSane | probably |
| 19:04.58 | alestane | Only difference is the Japanese question mark is in a square glyphbox. |
| 19:05.37 | nevcairiel | I wonder if those unicode chars obey the monospace rules |
| 19:05.56 | nevcairiel | hm nah they don't |
| 19:05.58 | nevcairiel | they are wieder |
| 19:06.01 | Shirik | lua> string.byte("?"), string.byte("ï¼") |
| 19:06.01 | lua_bot | Shirik: 63, 239 |
| 19:06.02 | nevcairiel | *wider |
| 19:06.14 | Arrowmaster | CJK glyphs dont have monospace |
| 19:06.32 | Shirik | lua> #("ï¼") |
| 19:06.33 | lua_bot | Shirik: 3 |
| 19:06.43 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:06.56 | zenzelezz | imagine a travel through time and monospace |
| 19:06.59 | Arrowmaster | or atleast they arent compared to normal ascii characters, they might actually be monospace with themselves and double width ascii characters |
| 19:06.59 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> #("?") |
| 19:06.59 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: 1 |
| 19:07.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: i think thats the case |
| 19:07.42 | NightHawkTheSane | lua> #("ã·") |
| 19:07.43 | lua_bot | NightHawkTheSane: 3 |
| 19:07.45 | Lunessa | Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies "East Bound and Down" cover RULES |
| 19:08.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, i think that question mark is more or less for consistency with the rest of the charset |
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| 19:08.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: do other punctuations render similarly? |
| 19:09.05 | Shirik | ãï¼âââï¼ï¼¿ï¼ï¼ã |
| 19:09.15 | Shirik | ï¼ï¼ |
| 19:09.25 | NightHawkTheSane | looks like yes |
| 19:09.27 | Arrowmaster | japanese doesnt use quotes though |
| 19:09.34 | Shirik | yeah they use that other thing |
| 19:09.35 | Shirik | that I can't type |
| 19:09.59 | Arrowmaster | why not? its in the IME settings to replace quotes with it i think |
| 19:10.04 | Shirik | oh? |
| 19:10.05 | zenzelezz | so out of curiosity, does any of you people's countries publish the tax lists (how much income people had and how much tax they paid)? |
| 19:10.06 | Shirik | I must have missed it |
| 19:10.29 | Shirik | oh I see |
| 19:10.36 | Shirik | ãã |
| 19:10.37 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: you mean gross, or individually? |
| 19:10.46 | Shirik | you use brackets instead of quotes |
| 19:10.46 | zenzelezz | individually |
| 19:10.50 | Shirik | that's created with [ and ] |
| 19:11.09 | Gnarfoz | you mean a list for, like, millions of people individually? |
| 19:11.15 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 19:11.29 | NightHawkTheSane | not afaik. |
| 19:11.33 | zenzelezz | Norway does. Today at 3 AM they released the list for 2008 |
| 19:11.41 | Gnarfoz | wtf? |
| 19:11.51 | Shirik | I think only tax exempt people need to publish those kinds of documents |
| 19:12.02 | zenzelezz | Shirik: this is the government publishing them |
| 19:12.03 | Shirik | (in the US) |
| 19:12.10 | Gnarfoz | Norway = not people, but a government |
| 19:12.17 | Gnarfoz | meh he already said it |
| 19:12.18 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 19:12.35 | Shirik | well the US government certainly doesn't publish those details |
| 19:12.36 | zenzelezz | it's the same outcry every year, but nothing ever changes |
| 19:12.39 | Shirik | they're too lazy to do something like that anyway |
| 19:13.14 | nevcairiel | you can lookup what every person in norway earned for that year? |
| 19:13.26 | nevcairiel | thats kinda privacy, if you ask me :P |
| 19:13.33 | NightHawkTheSane | how so? |
| 19:13.35 | zenzelezz | there are lots of websites open (big newspapers, TV channels) that let you search the lists, several also let you import your Facebook friends list and tries to match them up for you |
| 19:13.55 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: that's what most people feel, but the government seems to think it's important to publish it |
| 19:13.56 | NightHawkTheSane | salary privacy is a construct of business designed to let them manipulate their employees :P |
| 19:14.27 | cog|work | Dolby: wtb ability to set up an auto-response to PMs ^_^ |
| 19:14.46 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: imho, its noones business how much i earn |
| 19:15.55 | Tepel | Bah! Silly dead keys in windows! |
| 19:15.59 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: in the abstract, i could agree, but with respect to taxes, i disagree. Earnings and taxation ought to be public knowledge. |
| 19:16.25 | cog|work | why individually? |
| 19:16.30 | Tepel | Anyone know how to turn off dead keys |
| 19:16.42 | cog|work | earnings and taxation ARE public knowledge in the aggregate... |
| 19:16.43 | nevcairiel | Tepel: you have to build your own keyboard layout |
| 19:16.50 | nevcairiel | Tepel: MS has a tool for that |
| 19:16.51 | Tepel | Under win 7 ? |
| 19:16.59 | Tepel | hmmm |
| 19:17.07 | nevcairiel | didnt try it on 7, but i suppose it would still work |
| 19:17.19 | cog|work | If I want you to know how much i make and how much i pay in taxes, i'd tell you :P |
| 19:17.30 | Shirik | ^ |
| 19:17.33 | Lunessa | Taxes suck. No matter how you do it or for what reasons. They're never "fair" and they rarely end up accomplishing what you wanted them to. What they do end up doing is giving governments a pile of cash. |
| 19:17.46 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: the rules for taxation are already public, by telling the public absolute numbers, they only learn how much you earn :P |
| 19:17.49 | Shirik | to be fair, the government needs cash to operate |
| 19:17.53 | Tepel | Hmm, maybe I can finally get windows to use AltGr as a compose key |
| 19:18.04 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i dont really see a problem with that, though |
| 19:18.06 | Lunessa | Sure, but the means by which they get that cash SUCKS. |
| 19:18.27 | Shirik | you could dodge taxes like me |
| 19:18.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, the rich get off way to easy, and the poor dont. :P |
| 19:18.30 | alestane | Unless you want them to run on a fee schedule, I'm not sure I know another way. |
| 19:18.31 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: its just no-ones business, privacy is win |
| 19:18.32 | Lunessa | Not that I have a better solution, but ... |
| 19:18.37 | Shirik | if I get my way, I'm going to live on the Washington border |
| 19:18.42 | Shirik | Washington = no income tax |
| 19:18.44 | Lunessa | NHTS: Bullpucky. :P |
| 19:18.45 | Shirik | Oregon = no sales tax |
| 19:18.48 | Shirik | == very win |
| 19:18.49 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: not seeing a problem != support for the idea |
| 19:19.27 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: true, and i'm also not really advocating that the US or any government MUST release that info |
| 19:20.16 | cog|work | Shirik: they just make up for it in other ways |
| 19:20.17 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: I don't have a problem with it if they choose to, but I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's a must-have thing |
| 19:20.17 | Shirik | of course |
| 19:20.17 | Shirik | Washington has a huge sales tasx |
| 19:20.17 | Shirik | Oregon has a huge income tax |
| 19:20.17 | cog|work | i think sales tax is better than income tax as far as its effect on the economy |
| 19:20.17 | Shirik | both of which are irrelevant to me |
| 19:20.22 | cog|work | (and savings, investments, etc) |
| 19:20.58 | nevcairiel | US is so weird, its still like 50 small countrys with completly different rules each, and you guys look at the EU funny because we finally got a common currency :P |
| 19:21.03 | cog|work | taxing people for the way they're actually participating in the economy rather than assuming what they're going to use their money for |
| 19:21.11 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yeah, that drives me crazy all the time >< |
| 19:21.13 | cog|work | (or not) |
| 19:21.59 | nevcairiel | Sometimes i think the EU forces more common rules on its member states then the US does o.O |
| 19:22.19 | cog|work | nevcairiel: that drives me crazy too, but from the other way... We SHOULD be seen as 50 separate, but unified countries imo |
| 19:22.34 | Lunessa | Mostly, I'm opposed to the idea that someone else knows and is entitled to enforce a better way to handle my earnings - I'm not opposed to things getting paid for that are used in common, but I am opposed to someone saying "those guys over there need money, you have some, so pony it up or we'll punish you." |
| 19:22.35 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: in theory, i agree, but because there's a kind of baseline involvement in the consumer economy, it has the capacity to punish lower income groups relatively harder than higher ones. |
| 19:22.37 | Shirik | only the most serious laws are really national |
| 19:22.43 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: can't compare the EU to the US in that way, though. |
| 19:22.54 | Shirik | things like licensing, voting, that's all up to the states |
| 19:22.56 | Lopeppeppy | Can I go live on my deserted tropical island now? |
| 19:23.03 | NeoTron | I suspect quite a few people wouldn't mind if the US was in fact multiple countries |
| 19:23.09 | Shirik | only if I can come too Lopeppeppy |
| 19:23.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: can i join you? |
| 19:23.32 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, that's why i like the idea of the FairTax. They give everyone, rich, poor, alike a rebate check to eliminate the cost of taxes for basic necessities |
| 19:23.33 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: if it's your island, you shouldn't need to ask permissino |
| 19:23.33 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: if it means i can cut off all relations with anyone south of the mason-dixon, i'd be okay with that ;) |
| 19:23.37 | NeoTron | so what's with the paladin T10 drool guard? |
| 19:23.46 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: remember that republican forum link from a few days ago with the secession blah blah? ^^ |
| 19:24.06 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: it's colored wrong, end of story |
| 19:24.07 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:24.11 | Lunessa | NHTS - So you don't want contact with me ever again. :P |
| 19:24.24 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: alternately, thats why i like progressive income taxes, because you're not unfairly rewarded for taking more out of the economy but not putting more back in. |
| 19:24.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: nothing personal, you just live in a retarded state ;) |
| 19:24.41 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: umm.. you don't get rich by not putting into the economy |
| 19:24.51 | Lunessa | I dislike progressive taxes - punishment for being more productive. |
| 19:24.58 | cog|work | (except maybe daytraders) |
| 19:25.23 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: but the relative contrubtion compared to income is higher for lower income groups than higher ones, generally |
| 19:25.23 | cog|work | but yeah, Lunessa, you do live in a retarded state :P |
| 19:25.45 | Lunessa | cog|work: At least it's not issuing IOUs to employees and creditors. |
| 19:26.05 | Lunessa | And they let me carry a gun. |
| 19:26.32 | cog|work | at least it's an iou for money... the texas school board wants to give out ious for science education imo |
| 19:26.41 | Shirik | lmao |
| 19:26.47 | NightHawkTheSane | zing? |
| 19:27.59 | Lunessa | cog|work: Yeah, I'm a little concerned that someone wants to change text books. It's unsettling. But I also have every involved and accessible political persons with which to fight that troubling issue. |
| 19:28.23 | Lunessa | ever should have been very |
| 19:28.23 | NightHawkTheSane | s/every/very/? |
| 19:28.30 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: that's more a symptom of corporatism, and lobbying than anything fundamental |
| 19:28.56 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: arguably so, but that, sadly, IS the world we live in. |
| 19:29.03 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 19:29.16 | Lunessa | Textbook publishers don't like to print multiple versions, and Texas buys a LOT of textbooks |
| 19:29.22 | cog|work | now if the federal government didn't have enough power to do what it does, lobbying would server no use ;) |
| 19:29.59 | cog|work | aren't a couple of the big publishers even based in texas? |
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| 19:31.09 | Lunessa | Texas is huge. Lots of stuff happens here. I wouldn't be shocked if a big textbook business was headquartered here. |
| 19:31.34 | cog|work | Texas: Doomed! http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/07/25/texas-doomed/ <-- love the big-name science blogger using LOLcats |
| 19:34.03 | Lunessa | cog|work: At least he's passionate. |
| 19:34.48 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd like to re-iterate my statement about wanting ot have nothing to do with anything south of the mason-dixon... ;) |
| 19:35.04 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: except for the food imo |
| 19:35.23 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: well, okay, some of the food is pretty awesome. |
| 19:36.25 | cog|work | and most of NASA |
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| 19:36.57 | cog|work | and TI |
| 19:37.02 | Lunessa | HP, TI, Dell, some kick ass music - there's a lot to like here. |
| 19:37.46 | Adys | SQL freaks |
| 19:37.46 | Lunessa | But really, everyone seems to think we're all bible-thumping, gun-toting, cowboy hat wearing, cow-shit on our boots rednecks. |
| 19:38.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: no, thats just alabama. ;) |
| 19:38.10 | Fisker | SQL2 |
| 19:38.10 | Adys | is a 1024 varchar most of the time underpopulated less efficient than a text field? |
| 19:38.12 | Fisker | THE SEQUEL |
| 19:38.13 | Fisker | OH LOL! |
| 19:38.22 | Lunessa | NHTS LAWL |
| 19:38.36 | Fisker | no me lawl :( |
| 19:40.05 | cog|work | ~google varchar vs text |
| 19:40.08 | cog|work | :P |
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| 19:40.22 | Tepel | Awesomesauce! |
| 19:40.26 | Tepel | No more dead keys! |
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| 19:40.36 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 19:40.39 | NightHawkTheSane | kills a few of Tepel's keys |
| 19:43.53 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:44.14 | cog|work | grabs the trout and cooks it for dinner. NOMNOMNOM |
| 19:44.36 | Lopeppeppy | But those are zombie plague trouts, we decided that earlier. |
| 19:44.39 | Lopeppeppy | Not good to eat. |
| 19:45.58 | cog|work | drinks some ipecac |
| 19:46.30 | Fisker | oh lord |
| 19:47.25 | Lopeppeppy | Better out than in, I always say. |
| 19:47.38 | Shirik | Adys: 1024 varchar makes me want to kill things |
| 19:47.44 | doobius | where are the 5 man entrances for icecrown |
| 19:47.51 | Shirik | then again, text fields are generally bad too :P |
| 19:47.54 | Shirik | what is this for? |
| 19:47.59 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPENzKOmOl0&feature=related |
| 19:48.01 | kd3 | doobius; southwest of the front door. top rampart |
| 19:48.29 | Adys | Shirik: item descriptions |
| 19:48.33 | Shirik | I think I invented a quantum computer |
| 19:48.42 | Shirik | My code doesn't work |
| 19:48.48 | Adys | they are double wide on zhcn clients |
| 19:48.50 | Shirik | however, the very act of viewing it makes it work |
| 19:50.10 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/10/21/funny-pictures-today-has-been-cancelled/ |
| 19:51.21 | Lopeppeppy | is a weirdo |
| 19:51.37 | zenzelezz | likes weirdos |
| 19:52.20 | Lopeppeppy | I have been singing to Lunessa in German, even though he cannot hear me. |
| 19:52.42 | zenzelezz | if he could, would you have stuck to English? |
| 19:52.44 | Lunessa | awesome |
| 19:52.53 | zenzelezz | let me guess, "99 luftballoons"? |
| 19:53.07 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 19:53.18 | Shirik | wtf is this crap |
| 19:53.18 | Shirik | omg |
| 19:53.24 | Shirik | The program only works when debugging it |
| 19:53.31 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Texas über alles... |
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| 19:53.41 | zenzelezz | Shirik: you should have coded it better then |
| 19:53.45 | Shirik | it's not my code |
| 19:53.55 | Shirik | it's really bad |
| 19:53.57 | Shirik | I mean really |
| 19:54.00 | Shirik | it operates on 4 different clocks |
| 19:54.13 | Shirik | it's like "on the rising edge of this clock or this clock or thsi clock or this clock" |
| 19:54.18 | Shirik | how the hell do you keep that synchronized |
| 19:55.45 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno... |
| 19:56.03 | zenzelezz | Through sheer force of will! |
| 19:56.07 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, no, it's good church music in German, why would I sing it in English? |
| 19:56.43 | dear_light | is there a way to crop a frame through lua without scaling? |
| 19:56.57 | Lunessa | Perhaps I should never mention "religion" "cola" and "German" in the same FB posting again? |
| 19:58.06 | Lopeppeppy | I go all scary on you there! |
| 19:58.34 | zenzelezz | peppy's stalking people on Facebook? |
| 19:58.58 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy always stalks me |
| 19:59.32 | Lopeppeppy | Every day, everywhere. |
| 19:59.51 | zenzelezz | perhaps I need to hide my Facebook account then |
| 19:59.58 | zenzelezz | though I suspect it would be the other way around |
| 20:00.24 | Fisker | Backstalk |
| 20:00.30 | Fisker | lets make a new social networking site |
| 20:00.30 | Lopeppeppy | Upstalk? |
| 20:00.34 | Lopeppeppy | Backupstalk |
| 20:00.45 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, don't joke, my school is doing exactly that. *rolls eyes* |
| 20:00.49 | Fisker | So you have pages on other people instead of your own! |
| 20:01.09 | Fisker | That's why social networking sites is the cancer that's killing the internet |
| 20:02.52 | Shirik | I am convinced |
| 20:02.55 | Shirik | I have made a quantum computer |
| 20:03.01 | Shirik | I will get the nobel prize this year |
| 20:03.33 | cog|work | Shirik: only if everyone on the committee suffers the same misconception about the term "observer" ;) |
| 20:03.41 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:03.43 | Fisker | sigh |
| 20:03.50 | Shirik | it's such BS though |
| 20:04.04 | Shirik | If I do assign LEDs ={change, reset, state}; |
| 20:04.07 | Fisker | i'm having a hard time answering "ZOMG I ONLY SEE DEVELOPEMENT REALMS BATTLENET SUX" |
| 20:04.12 | Shirik | I see that the state is stuck in a certain state |
| 20:04.16 | Shirik | and the system refuses to reset |
| 20:04.17 | Shirik | but if I do |
| 20:04.23 | Shirik | assign LEDs = sum; |
| 20:04.31 | Shirik | I see that the state doesn't get stuck, and the sum resets |
| 20:04.44 | Shirik | the two are mutually exclusive, and that's the only line I'm changing |
| 20:05.00 | Shirik | (other indicators I'm not changing also show that the state is getting stuck in the first and not in the second) |
| 20:05.02 | Fisker | LED Bulbs are awesome btw |
| 20:05.05 | Fisker | but kinda expensive :( |
| 20:05.06 | cog|work | Why does IE block its own script for allowing you to collapse tags in an xml file? |
| 20:05.13 | Shirik | cog|work: I love that |
| 20:05.13 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:05.32 | Fisker | Because Microsoft gets dissed time and time again for doing that? |
| 20:06.35 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: left hand, right hand... |
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| 20:07.17 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 20:07.23 | Fisker | why did Microsoft have to be jerks? |
| 20:07.59 | Fisker | they overhauled RDP to enable seamless 3d acceleration and video streaming |
| 20:08.03 | Fisker | And made it ultimate only |
| 20:08.05 | Fisker | fuck you :( |
| 20:08.42 | tem | hmm |
| 20:08.51 | tem | so, I have all this stuff in mkv format |
| 20:08.57 | tem | which my xbox cannot play |
| 20:09.11 | Fisker | l2update i believe |
| 20:09.15 | Arrowmaster | you could remux it into mp4 |
| 20:09.27 | Arrowmaster | but then you wont have any subs |
| 20:09.31 | tem | yes |
| 20:09.34 | tem | that's the other problem |
| 20:09.38 | tem | I need to render the subs |
| 20:09.44 | Arrowmaster | then you are fucked |
| 20:09.47 | Fisker | windows 7 supports it i believe |
| 20:09.56 | tem | windows 7 is not my xbox |
| 20:09.59 | kd3 | so... anyone who has not yet played with the new LFD on the PTR: |
| 20:10.04 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/LFD |
| 20:10.11 | Fisker | windows media sharing motherfucker |
| 20:10.14 | kd3 | does the walkthrough in "Upcoming changes" make sense? |
| 20:10.15 | Fisker | dur |
| 20:10.16 | Fisker | durr |
| 20:10.25 | tem | Fisker, it's still decoded on the xbox |
| 20:10.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Repo (n=supybot@repos.curseforge.net) |
| 20:10.34 | Fisker | it's empty? |
| 20:10.38 | tem | Fail, kd3 |
| 20:10.43 | Fisker | tem all i know is that mkv is supported on xbox with windows 7 |
| 20:10.45 | Fisker | and that's that. |
| 20:10.55 | tem | I'm running windows 7 |
| 20:10.58 | kd3 | grr |
| 20:11.01 | tem | and it's not supported on my xbox |
| 20:11.02 | kd3 | purges the anonuser cache |
| 20:11.26 | Arrowmaster | tem: there are on the fly transcoding options, but i dont know how those support subs |
| 20:11.55 | tem | I know very little about how video encoding with subs works |
| 20:12.01 | tem | so transcoding is greek |
| 20:12.21 | Fisker | http://labs.divx.com/mkvwin7preview <-try that shit right there |
| 20:12.32 | Arrowmaster | transcoding means decoding from one format and reencoding in another different format |
| 20:13.36 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, the walkthrough "makes sense", but the system sounds horribly stupidly complicated. |
| 20:14.16 | kd3 | yar; there's still some iteration that needs to happen |
| 20:14.35 | Arrowmaster | tem: i think this is what Fisker was talking about http://www.hardcoreware.net/mkv-windows-7-xbox-360-ps3/ |
| 20:14.48 | kd3 | but if it can stem the tide of qqing in /2 "I only see random dungeons!", it'll help until something more sensible gets implemented |
| 20:15.38 | Lopeppeppy | I hear you on that. Give 'em the URL. |
| 20:15.38 | Lopeppeppy | But IMO, if it takes a walkthrough, it's not gonna be a good game tool |
| 20:17.48 | Fisker | dunno Arrowmaster |
| 20:17.55 | Fisker | just knew from a few people that it did work with windows 7 |
| 20:17.58 | Fisker | so applied some googlefu |
| 20:18.06 | Arrowmaster | me too |
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| 20:19.06 | Arrowmaster | that article says that the divx7 beta makes wmp12 transcode mkv files for playback on the 360 when used as a upnp media server |
| 20:20.16 | Lunessa | I think I'm growing disgusted with the typical traffic of UI & Macros forum - Don't these crack-monkeys ever use search? |
| 20:21.02 | alestane | Lunessa: I skip over SO many threads on there these days... |
| 20:21.32 | Lunessa | alestane: I'm tempted to just quit helping at all. Its like all the questions are just the same ones over and over. |
| 20:21.50 | Lunessa | Hell, I get more and better questions about Word at work. |
| 20:22.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: UI & Macros was the last forum i regularly visited on the official forums, but i haven't really been there in like a year. >< |
| 20:23.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i really wish the mods would rule with an iron banhammer there >< |
| 20:23.47 | NightHawkTheSane | though i understand why they dont |
| 20:23.49 | Lunessa | I just read 8 posts, all of which I declined to answer or comment in because they were either a) asked/answered a million times, b) solved by reading the instructions for the AddOn in question, or c) just fucking stupid. |
| 20:26.42 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: ping? |
| 20:27.11 | tekkub | meh? |
| 20:28.17 | NightHawkTheSane | for the zip files generated by github, is there any way to set what the name of the directory/zip is? |
| 20:28.23 | tekkub | no |
| 20:28.28 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh. |
| 20:28.47 | tekkub | tarballs aren't meant as a release mechanism |
| 20:29.29 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, fair enough, i was just curious |
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| 20:31.56 | wereHamster | is voice chat not supported under mac? I don't see any such option under the 'Sound' menu |
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| 20:32.50 | zenzelezz | they probably figured the Mac crowd would hold themselves too good to talk to the general pubilc |
| 20:32.52 | zenzelezz | *public |
| 20:33.18 | zenzelezz | in other words, I don't know |
| 20:33.20 | alestane | There's a tab at the bottom of the window. |
| 20:33.22 | Shirik | I have a mac. I can't talk to a Windows user. I might get a virus. |
| 20:34.25 | tem | FWIW, Fisker, after installing the DivX7 thing, my xbox would play the mkv files BUT |
| 20:34.37 | Arrowmaster | no subs? |
| 20:34.41 | tem | Only in windows media center mode which sucks for several reasons |
| 20:34.42 | wereHamster | alestane: weird, I don't see it: http://skitch.com/werehamster/nrrgx/world-of-warcraft |
| 20:34.56 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: its true, we are. |
| 20:34.57 | tem | With a very noticable drop in video quality |
| 20:35.15 | tem | Frequent pauses in the video like if I were watching it online with a terrible connection |
| 20:35.17 | Arrowmaster | yes its transcoding |
| 20:35.22 | Shirik | How to know a language is evil: |
| 20:35.24 | tem | audio/video out of sync |
| 20:35.27 | tem | and no subs |
| 20:35.39 | Shirik | if (sum <= (cost + changeGiven + 5)) state <= S_HOLD; |
| 20:35.45 | Arrowmaster | does it play in wmp12 with subs? |
| 20:35.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: compiling your source results in the sacrifice of three virgins and a goat? |
| 20:35.48 | Shirik | Having an operator be two completely different things is evil |
| 20:35.56 | Shirik | I have two <= there |
| 20:36.01 | Shirik | they do completely different things |
| 20:36.27 | alestane | wereHamster: Do you have a sound input connected? |
| 20:36.52 | alestane | I use voice chat semi-regularly on a Mac Mini. |
| 20:37.25 | cog|work | is a bit surprised that french wiktionary has > 100k more entries than english... |
| 20:37.28 | wereHamster | alestane: the macbook has a builtin mic |
| 20:38.06 | alestane | I'd take a look at your Sound control panel next then. |
| 20:38.40 | NightHawkTheSane | speaking of minis.. i'm kinda lusting after the new mini server >.> |
| 20:39.17 | zenzelezz | <NightHawkTheSane> speaking of minis.. i'm kinda <--- sorry to hear that |
| 20:39.27 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 20:48.01 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYlA3NV0rFA |
| 20:48.49 | foxlit | battlegrounds are depressing |
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| 20:54.13 | Cide | Hey guys.. I'm conducting a survey to get a picture of how people feel about surveillance functions in software. if you have raiding experience I'd be very happy if you could check out http://www.ctmod.net/survey/ and fill it out. thanks |
| 20:55.08 | Shirik | rofl |
| 20:55.16 | Shirik | I'm going to be the only person to answer #4 with "Conspiracy" |
| 20:55.33 | Sesshu | clicks Cide's link |
| 20:55.44 | Shirik | but um |
| 20:55.46 | Shirik | questions 8 and 9 are flawed |
| 20:55.50 | Shirik | they need a "not applicable" |
| 20:56.44 | Shirik | also Cide |
| 20:56.49 | Shirik | I answered question 6 and it says "this field is required" |
| 20:56.58 | Cide | interesting |
| 20:56.59 | Shirik | it doesn't seem to want me to finish the survey :( |
| 20:57.16 | Cide | yeah, I'll add a N/A option |
| 20:57.20 | zenzelezz | I got "is required" for 5-8 |
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| 20:57.38 | Shirik | Cidefail |
| 20:57.41 | Shirik | ~failcide |
| 20:57.50 | Cide | very strange |
| 20:57.54 | zenzelezz | either that or he just knows what answers he wants |
| 20:57.56 | Cide | django handles most of the form handling automatically |
| 20:58.01 | Cide | nah :) |
| 20:59.44 | Cide | it'll be a sec |
| 21:01.28 | Adys | yea Im getting required field on 4 |
| 21:01.34 | Adys | after answering no on 3 |
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| 21:06.03 | Cide | try now |
| 21:08.04 | Adys | 3 says required |
| 21:08.08 | Adys | when Im answering no |
| 21:08.15 | Cide | ya, strange |
| 21:08.25 | Shirik | I think I don't understand what 6 means |
| 21:08.41 | Shirik | Can I say it's private but still acceptable to collect? |
| 21:10.03 | Shirik | brb, feel free to respond I'll get it when I reattach |
| 21:10.22 | Cide | in theory? for the raid's best? I don't think they ask the same thing |
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| 21:13.47 | Cide | Adys: zenzelezz: should work now |
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| 21:18.52 | Cide | Shirik: try now |
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| 21:22.11 | foxlit | "If you find such functions offensive, would you find them acceptable if the user was alerted and could decide whether or not to allow the query to gather information about you?" |
| 21:22.15 | foxlit | Doesn't go far enough. |
| 21:22.36 | Cide | got another alternative? |
| 21:23.01 | foxlit | Not so much the question as the discussed feature :) |
| 21:23.12 | Cide | then answer "not acceptable" |
| 21:23.31 | foxlit | Mixing of various categories in 5 is bad, question-wise. |
| 21:23.54 | Cide | they're all the same type of feature |
| 21:24.12 | foxlit | And yet they are not. |
| 21:24.17 | Cide | why not? |
| 21:24.24 | foxlit | Spell timers are a bit more public than the content of your bags. |
| 21:24.54 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.20 | Cide | I'll add a "anything you'd like to add?" field just for you :) |
| 21:26.07 | foxlit | You could just split it into four/five useful/not useful boxes, but you're probably limited by that software. |
| 21:26.35 | Cide | you'd still have to answer the other 3 questions with one answer |
| 21:27.28 | Cide | I can make the question a text input rather than a yes/no if you'd like |
| 21:27.45 | foxlit | Nah, I'm not that interested. |
| 21:27.59 | foxlit | Anyhow, the "Would you like to allow this query?" dialog totally needs a "(c) Lie" option. |
| 21:29.15 | Cide | lol, I don't think I'll do that |
| 21:29.45 | foxlit | Ultimately, you can't establish trust anyway. |
| 21:37.31 | Cairenn | http://www.new.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=167786338222&ref=mf |
| 21:38.53 | Lunessa | OMG - Cide is doing a survey |
| 21:39.02 | Cide | yep, what about it? |
| 21:39.23 | Cide | go fill it out! |
| 21:40.00 | Lunessa | I am. You're even doing it on a topic for which I have strong feelings. |
| 21:40.10 | Cide | :) |
| 21:40.17 | Cide | type that in "other" |
| 21:40.26 | Cide | "I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS!!!" |
| 21:40.41 | Lunessa | You really need 3 value logic on some of these questions. |
| 21:41.09 | Cide | which? |
| 21:41.49 | Cide | I'm a very black and white person myself 8) |
| 21:42.23 | Lunessa | 5, 6, 7 could all use a 3rd option. |
| 21:42.43 | Cide | what option? |
| 21:42.54 | Kraps | holy crap Cairenn that was win |
| 21:43.02 | Cairenn | yeah, isn't it though? |
| 21:44.37 | Shirik | Cide: Can I have that link again? |
| 21:44.38 | Shirik | I lost it |
| 21:44.41 | Shirik | and forgot to submit :( |
| 21:44.45 | Cide | http://www.ctmod.net/survey/ |
| 21:44.49 | foxlit | "I do not concede that" was a bit of a stretch |
| 21:44.56 | Shirik | and you didn't answer my question |
| 21:45.11 | Cide | what question? |
| 21:45.21 | Shirik | #6 - what do you mean by private or public? |
| 21:45.27 | Shirik | I consider it private but acceptable to collect |
| 21:45.33 | Shirik | i.e., it should not be publically available |
| 21:45.38 | Shirik | but raid leaders should have the info |
| 21:45.52 | Cide | that's what I'm after basically |
| 21:45.56 | Lunessa | Cide - Something like "For some items acceptable, for others not" or "Sometimes" |
| 21:46.00 | Cide | maybe it should be clearer |
| 21:46.27 | Kraps | http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience/all/1 |
| 21:47.32 | Cide | Lunessa: I added "Sometimes acceptable" as an option |
| 21:47.45 | Lunessa | Cide - Heh.. I just submitted. |
| 21:47.54 | Cide | I'll adjust your result for you? :D |
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| 21:48.10 | Cide | or I can just delete your result if you give me your ip |
| 21:48.12 | Lunessa | Anonymity you fucker. YOU SAID! /hate |
| 21:48.27 | foxlit | Nobody is anonymous on the interpipes. |
| 21:48.28 | Cide | ip is only stored to prevent multiple submissions |
| 21:49.03 | mindhack | thats when you store the ip hash, and achieve anonymity anyway |
| 21:49.15 | Cide | that'd be another way of doing it |
| 21:49.22 | Lunessa | Actually I don't care. I think I answered enough. My main issue is with the ability to do arbitrary queries and if I have the ability to decline your apps ability to snoop. |
| 21:49.28 | Cide | but my server log also contains the ip addr |
| 21:49.36 | Cide | so you're still not completely anonymous |
| 21:50.36 | Lunessa | Cide: True. I was just having the /hate line as a joke. |
| 21:50.36 | Cide | I figured |
| 21:50.36 | Cide | I was replying to mindhack / Akarou mostly |
| 21:51.22 | Akarou | The end result is still not secure, no ;) |
| 21:51.39 | Lunessa | I think, long ago, on the WoW forums I had a loooong diatribe about this topic and was regarded as a nut-jonb 'cause I didn't care to let my raid leaders root around in my inventory |
| 21:52.26 | Cide | I don't think you're alone |
| 21:52.38 | Lunessa | I know I'm not. |
| 21:52.55 | Lunessa | I believe in privacy. So do lots of people. |
| 21:57.19 | Akarou | I believe in piracy. |
| 21:59.03 | Lunessa | Akarou: So, you're lining up to be Yellowbeard? |
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| 21:59.12 | cog|work | yarr |
| 22:00.41 | Akarou | get me a hat, a ship and a crew |
| 22:01.14 | Lunessa | "'Dying's the easy way out. You won't catch me dying. They'll have to kill me before I die! " |
| 22:02.26 | Sesshu | i thnik he will die while they kill him |
| 22:04.27 | Lunessa | Sesshu Watch the film. After you've been sewn back up at the hospital from laughing so hard, you'll understand. |
| 22:04.53 | Sesshu | name? |
| 22:04.59 | Lunessa | Heck, you can see it for free on Hulu |
| 22:05.03 | Lunessa | Yellowbeard |
| 22:05.14 | Sesshu | i'm not from usa >.< |
| 22:06.37 | Akarou | Hulu is the greatest evil. |
| 22:07.05 | Lunessa | No, that would be me. |
| 22:08.43 | A-KO | I use hulu |
| 22:09.01 | A-KO | I watch shit on hulu because NBC counts it into their ratings. So if I like a show, I watch it there--sure, it has commercials, but it keeps the show alive |
| 22:11.28 | Lunessa | I watch shit on Hulu because it's convenient. I work when three of the show I was to see durn a week are on TV, and I can fire up Hulu from anywhere I have a browser. |
| 22:11.49 | Cide | night people. now fill out that survey! thanks |
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| 22:27.31 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_you_make_real_dragon_wings_and_fly |
| 22:28.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: well, at least its not a jackass answer? |
| 22:29.27 | foxlit | "Why the heck not?" |
| 22:30.22 | NeoTron | I believe in privacy. However who the hell cares about your "virtual inventory"? Ah well |
| 22:30.32 | NeoTron | "my pixels, go away" |
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| 22:38.13 | Shirik | My power bill is extremely confusing |
| 22:38.20 | Shirik | kWh used this month: 93 |
| 22:38.27 | Shirik | kWh used last year this month: 940 |
| 22:38.28 | Shirik | what? |
| 22:38.40 | Shirik | Total charges: (DO NOT PAY) $16.94 |
| 22:40.53 | NiLon | hmm any addon that keeps track of bg's, like killing blows, deaths, kills overall, and stuff |
| 22:41.11 | NiLon | to get very extensive stats basically :p |
| 22:48.06 | foxlit | I'm thinking something fun could be done with tracking who opposed you the most in a particular instance. |
| 22:48.14 | tem | PROTIP: DO NOT USE AN APOSTROPHE TO INDICATE PLURALITY |
| 22:48.19 | tem | *stab* |
| 22:48.26 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i assume they added a 0 by accedent |
| 22:48.31 | Thunder_Child | accident* |
| 22:48.38 | cog|work | ~hug tem |
| 22:48.39 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs tem |
| 22:48.52 | foxlit | 940 kWh is interesting. |
| 22:49.04 | tem | Sooooo Brutal Legend looks like a lot of fun |
| 22:49.20 | cog|work | Good fast rule. No if's and's or but's about it! |
| 22:49.29 | foxlit | 3.3 TJ << yikes, Shirik. |
| 22:50.01 | cog|work | probably was a meter read error |
| 22:50.07 | foxlit | s/T/G/ |
| 22:50.09 | foxlit | less scary. |
| 22:50.19 | cog|work | your next month's last year reading will probably be -900something |
| 22:52.05 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: you're going to hell :P |
| 22:52.23 | cog|work | oldnews |
| 22:52.24 | cog|work | :P |
| 22:52.28 | NightHawkTheSane | just sayin' ;) |
| 22:52.34 | Thunder_Child | he will have good company though |
| 22:52.50 | cog|work | can't wait to meet George Carlin |
| 22:53.04 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd0dtyr3ifw |
| 22:53.07 | Thunder_Child | and everyone else from this channel |
| 22:53.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 23:00.14 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: no, i can wait to meet a lot of those <.< |
| 23:00.18 | WobWork | books a seat in the channel handbasket |
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| 23:00.50 | Thunder_Child | like you have a choice cog|work |
| 23:01.08 | Thunder_Child | no need WobWork, it's reserved |
| 23:01.29 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: It's like checking in for airplanes |
| 23:01.35 | WobWork | You have to reserve a -good- seat |
| 23:01.49 | cog|work | not if you fly southwest :P |
| 23:02.02 | WobWork | well, then you have to reserve -a- seat =) |
| 23:02.07 | Thunder_Child | A. all the seats are the same B. you dont have to buy a ticket |
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| 23:09.45 | Tuller | aww, vehicleui only tests for cases when you're in a vehicle with the vehicle interface |
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| 23:15.53 | jpmorgan | arms or fury for pve warrior dps? |
| 23:16.39 | cog|work | huh... google voice seems to be ramping up. just signed up yesterday and just got my invitation |
| 23:17.35 | jpmorgan | my android bricked after 2days. waiting for the replacement |
| 23:17.37 | Cairenn | hates you cog|work |
| 23:17.42 | Shirik | !!!!!! |
| 23:17.49 | Shirik | Cairenn just said she hates someone :( |
| 23:18.02 | cog|work | wold.end() |
| 23:18.06 | ScytheBlade1 | she has said that before |
| 23:18.07 | cog|work | s/old/orld/ |
| 23:18.19 | Shirik | cog|work |
| 23:18.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I think when I suggested that we put her on a tilt a whirl when she had vertigo |
| 23:18.24 | Shirik | VS has this really annoying warning |
| 23:18.36 | Shirik | that I can't seem to get rid of without a #pragma |
| 23:20.50 | Shirik | cog|work: http://codepad.org/FJ9mLEfL |
| 23:20.50 | Shirik | ignoring the error (which is intentional) |
| 23:20.53 | Shirik | I get warning C4250: 'Quux' : inherits 'Bar::Bar::Run' via dominance |
| 23:20.57 | Shirik | to which I'm like "no shit" |
| 23:21.02 | Shirik | am I doing something wrong? |
| 23:24.46 | cog|work | maybe it's to help people who aren't familiar with the subtleties of multiple inheritance? |
| 23:25.08 | cog|work | shrugs |
| 23:25.44 | Cairenn | hugs cog|work, "Don't really hate you, just jealous" |
| 23:25.50 | cog|work | <3 |
| 23:26.03 | Shirik | it's a level 2 warning |
| 23:26.11 | Shirik | seems like that would mean to me "yo something bad here!!" |
| 23:26.19 | Shirik | but I dunno |
| 23:26.22 | Shirik | maybe I'm reading too much into it |
| 23:26.29 | Shirik | I just don't like warnings :) |
| 23:26.34 | Shirik | And I really don't like suppressing them |
| 23:27.24 | tem | Multiple inheritence is bad mkay |
| 23:27.54 | cog|work | NOU! |
| 23:28.22 | cog|work | Shirik: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/6b3sy7ae.aspx seems to suggest it's just to make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot |
| 23:28.47 | Shirik | multiple inheritance is great |
| 23:29.15 | Shirik | (when used correctly) |
| 23:29.17 | cog|work | how about "multiple inheritance is useful but difficult to do right" |
| 23:29.19 | Lunessa | why do we hate cog? Not that there's anything wrong with that... |
| 23:29.33 | cog|work | google voice invite a day after signing up |
| 23:29.36 | Akarou | Isnt that just because they both inherit Foo, with virtual Run, but since Bar actually implements it, it gets picked to be dominant? |
| 23:29.53 | sioraiocht | No programmer is good enough to be trusted with multiple inheritance |
| 23:30.12 | Shirik | Akarou: Basically, yes |
| 23:30.19 | Shirik | not exactly right |
| 23:30.21 | Shirik | but close enough |
| 23:30.22 | Jerub | s/multiple inheritance/C++/ |
| 23:30.30 | Jerub | there, fixed it for you. |
| 23:30.32 | Shirik | trusts himself with all of the beauty of C++ |
| 23:30.34 | Akarou | Yeah, its been a while since I c++'d |
| 23:30.45 | sioraiocht | Shirik: I shall never hire you =p |
| 23:30.46 | NightHawkTheSane | no, s/trusted(.*)/trusted/ |
| 23:30.54 | Lunessa | cog|away: So free phone calls for you? |
| 23:30.57 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: well played sir. |
| 23:31.11 | Shirik | Akarou: the important part you were missing is that the function must be visible from a common base class |
| 23:31.13 | Shirik | from all paths |
| 23:31.20 | sioraiocht | touché, NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:31.28 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 23:31.46 | sioraiocht | NightHawkTheSane: But what about computer scientists? =p |
| 23:31.48 | Shirik | oh come on this design is aweesome |
| 23:31.51 | Shirik | not only does it have diamonds |
| 23:31.54 | Shirik | it has a template interface |
| 23:31.59 | NightHawkTheSane | trust no one! |
| 23:32.28 | jnwhiteh | how do you know if you have a google wave invite? |
| 23:32.36 | sioraiocht | undecidable type systems are cruise control for cool |
| 23:32.42 | jnwhiteh | does it show up in a wave? |
| 23:33.22 | Jerub | jnwhiteh: yes |
| 23:33.28 | Jerub | afaik, a second round of invites hasn't gone out yet. |
| 23:33.29 | jnwhiteh | kk thanks. |
| 23:33.34 | jnwhiteh | yes they have |
| 23:33.36 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 23:33.38 | Jerub | oooh |
| 23:33.39 | jnwhiteh | i mean I was invited |
| 23:33.45 | jnwhiteh | but yeah I haven't gotten any new invites to give =) |
| 23:33.45 | Shirik | p.s. cog|away |
| 23:33.49 | jnwhiteh | I still need one for sioraiocht ;-) |
| 23:33.52 | Shirik | visual paradigm which you showed me |
| 23:33.55 | Shirik | doesn't understand C++ at all |
| 23:37.18 | Shirik | wtb varadic templates :( |
| 23:42.29 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy1 (n=Mike@c-68-38-45-3.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:42.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Duman (n=duman@crossover.boom.net) |
| 23:42.53 | Shadowed | Watching people as they type is amusing in GoogleWave |
| 23:43.03 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 23:43.08 | Shadowed | later jnwhiteh |
| 23:43.08 | jnwhiteh | i never ever fix typos |
| 23:43.12 | jnwhiteh | just retype words =) |
| 23:43.15 | Shadowed | yea |
| 23:44.32 | ScytheBlade1 | someone invite me to gwave |
| 23:45.06 | Shadowed | no invite yet :( |
| 23:46.28 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1:own() |
| 23:49.40 | Shadowed | Watching WobWork respond while I'm still typing is a bit odd to get used to |
| 23:53.12 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:53.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: your inability to actually "own" people is GREATLY amusing |
| 23:53.18 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:53.26 | Shirik | I think my design owns |
| 23:53.35 | ScytheBlade1 | You... think a lot of things :) |
| 23:53.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Hirsute (n=chatzill@lre-east-3-99.usahousing.utah.edu) |
| 23:54.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Hirsute: I still do a double-take when I see that hostname |
| 23:54.55 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 23:55.01 | Hirsute | I'll bet. (Took me a second, I never see my own come up, then I remembered that it would probably show utah.edu in some part of it) |
| 23:55.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 23:55.30 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I don't just think |
| 23:55.31 | Shirik | I knnow |
| 23:55.37 | Shirik | I know all |
