| 00:00.12 | cog|away | Lunessa: http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/sinister_cogwheel.png |
| 00:00.12 | Wobin | Lunessa, it's like driving a -really- high quality car for the first time after driving junkers |
| 00:00.12 | cog|away | hides |
| 00:00.12 | ZorbaTHut | also, you pay all court fees for either side. |
| 00:00.12 | ZorbaTHut | failure to pay court fees will result in a lawsuit. |
| 00:00.17 | jpmorgan | haha awesome, your car can whine when u push it too hard |
| 00:00.18 | Lunessa | Wobin: Sure, but I don't want to wait for people to learn the hard way |
| 00:00.19 | Dagmar | THey'll find some unpleasant things on their office steps then |
| 00:00.37 | Wobin | Lunessa, most people adapt pretty fast |
| 00:00.44 | Wobin | and those who don't are terrible drivers anyway |
| 00:00.45 | cog|away | Lunessa: if it makes you feel better, the last two were dupes for the toons :> |
| 00:00.52 | Dagmar | I actually had a guy who works for EMI try to tell me that I owed someone money for the ringtone on my phone, each time the phone rang. |
| 00:01.07 | Dagmar | Nevermind that the ringtone was actully random notes. |
| 00:01.17 | Dagmar | The mindset is that they own all music, and you have to pay every time they ask. |
| 00:01.22 | Wobin | Dagmar, aren't most ringtones less than 15seconds? |
| 00:01.24 | Lunessa | cog|away: OMG. I never got one that way and you geot 4. |
| 00:01.35 | Dagmar | Wobin: That doesn't stop them from trying to collect money on it |
| 00:01.38 | Jerub | Dagmar: it's true. performance in a public place. you also owe someone money every time you sing 'happy birthday' in a restaraunt. |
| 00:01.41 | Wobin | This is true |
| 00:01.44 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, proving that the music isn't owned by the RIAA will require a lawsuit |
| 00:01.50 | Dagmar | This is the reason you mainly only _rent_ ringtones |
| 00:02.01 | Wobin | ... |
| 00:02.06 | Wobin | and now I have RENT stuck in my head |
| 00:02.08 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: They can sue. They have to bring proof they own it tho |
| 00:02.18 | Dagmar | ...at which point I will charge for my time. |
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| 00:02.36 | Dagmar | Wobin: And whose fault was that for watching it? |
| 00:02.36 | Wobin | yeah, don't they have the onus to prove? |
| 00:02.45 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, the proof will be shown in the 29th hour of court |
| 00:02.46 | Dagmar | Wobin: Before a judge you bet they to |
| 00:02.48 | Dagmar | s/to/do/; |
| 00:02.57 | ZorbaTHut | assuming your lawyer doesn't screw up and lose before then, of course |
| 00:03.01 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: I'm not worried. |
| 00:03.03 | ZorbaTHut | you *are* hiring a good lawyer, right? |
| 00:03.18 | Dagmar | No, I actually intend to defend myself and make everyone nearby sorry. |
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| 00:03.36 | Dagmar | ...should anyone ever be so foolish as to sue me over the product of an RNG |
| 00:03.43 | ZorbaTHut | there actually was an issue recently where the RIAA claimed they owned some guy's music, and got it taken off facebook |
| 00:03.52 | Dagmar | Yep. I saw that. |
| 00:03.56 | Shirik | anyone have good advice on a video editing program? |
| 00:04.08 | Wobin | anyone know of a good one for Mac? |
| 00:04.13 | Jerub | Shirik: buy a turtleneck sweater. |
| 00:04.18 | Wobin | My father just downloaded a video I took on their camera |
| 00:04.19 | Dagmar | Not only can he get it back up there, he can sue them if they repeatedly attempt to make that claim |
| 00:04.20 | Shirik | ...? |
| 00:04.23 | Wobin | except it's rotated to the right |
| 00:04.31 | Jerub | and use imovie or whatever it's called ;) |
| 00:04.37 | Shirik | no mac |
| 00:04.42 | Shirik | and I refuse to get one |
| 00:04.51 | cog|away | Shirik: hence the turtleneck sweater ;) |
| 00:04.57 | Shirik | .. |
| 00:05.06 | Lunessa | Wobin: iMovie will do it. Shirik: Windows Movie Maker is free. |
| 00:05.17 | Shirik | Windows Movie Maker seems... bad |
| 00:05.23 | Jerub | Lunessa: did you read that rant bill gates had about windows movie maker? |
| 00:05.29 | ZorbaTHut | woot 5 masks left |
| 00:05.31 | Lunessa | Shirik: It's not great but it will work for most basic needs. |
| 00:05.37 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: how the hell are you doing that? |
| 00:05.39 | Lunessa | Jerub: nope. |
| 00:05.47 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, it's called "did it last year" |
| 00:05.48 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: or is this your Nth year doing the masks? |
| 00:05.59 | Jerub | heh |
| 00:06.00 | Shirik | Jerub: What rant? |
| 00:06.09 | Jerub | i got the helm, i'm the pet short of the title for hallows end. |
| 00:06.13 | ZorbaTHut | I have a stopwatch next to my computer with a 1hr timer :P |
| 00:06.19 | ZorbaTHut | get eight to ten of them done every day |
| 00:06.20 | Dagmar | The one where he pitched a fit about it's general unsuitability for any purpose |
| 00:06.28 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes more |
| 00:06.33 | Jerub | grabs text |
| 00:06.46 | Sesshu | a year ago there was a programm |
| 00:06.50 | Lunessa | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/141821.asp |
| 00:06.54 | Jerub | that's the one |
| 00:07.04 | Sesshu | if you used it you didn't get the debuff |
| 00:07.18 | Sesshu | the 1h debuff |
| 00:07.32 | Jerub | i wonder if the lemon scented paper towels would remove the debuff..... |
| 00:08.58 | Sesshu | hm i need 10 masks to get the achievment |
| 00:09.25 | Amarande | lemon scented paper towels ... I can't remember where you get those now lol |
| 00:09.34 | Amarande | I wish I'd get something besides a trick though. :| |
| 00:11.07 | Jerub | Amarande: it's a quest reward. you only get 10, and they're soulbound. |
| 00:11.31 | Jerub | it's a level 20ish quest. |
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| 00:15.19 | Shirik | that doesn't really seem to be at windows movie maker |
| 00:15.23 | Shirik | but rather the path to get it |
| 00:15.30 | Lunessa | Shirik: Correct. |
| 00:15.58 | Lunessa | Basically, it was Bill yelling at people who screwed the pooch on making Windows Update work. |
| 00:17.13 | Lunessa | When I worked at AOL I used to get similar e-mail from Steve Case. Once he said, "I know you're close to finishing the project and the last thing anyone wants is a whiny e-mail from me, but you need to fix X, Y and Z before you ship this." |
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| 00:22.06 | Kraps_ | needs a hug |
| 00:22.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Kraps_ |
| 00:22.46 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at Kraps_ |
| 00:22.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ... oh, wait, thats not right. |
| 00:23.06 | Shirik | Alienware is owned by dell now? |
| 00:23.39 | jpmorgan | i think i heard that |
| 00:23.41 | Thunder_Child | for a while now |
| 00:23.57 | NightHawkTheSane | if by now, you mean since 2006, yes |
| 00:24.13 | Lunessa | Long long time. |
| 00:24.27 | Lunessa | And... they still make crappy over-priced machines. |
| 00:24.39 | Dagmar | It's why Dell bought them. |
| 00:24.45 | Dagmar | They work in the same market. |
| 00:24.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar beat me to the punch.. :P |
| 00:26.55 | Lunessa | Hehe |
| 00:27.14 | Kraps_ | farts in NightHawkTheSane's face |
| 00:27.20 | Lunessa | There was a time when I would buy Dell - but that time (1996-1998) has come and gone. |
| 00:27.21 | cog|away | NightHawkTheSane: you beat me but only 'cause my video drivers just crashed... |
| 00:27.38 | cog|away | I had already typed "If, by 'now', you mean" |
| 00:27.51 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 00:31.23 | Dagmar | If my computer were broken, and I was drunk, and in a strange city... |
| 00:31.27 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:31.35 | Shirik | Dell offers an option to preinstall WoW now? |
| 00:31.41 | Lunessa | Dagmar: How would it be different from a normal night? |
| 00:32.05 | Dagmar | I'm not usually drunk, and it would require a large fire or a small meteor to render me computerless. |
| 00:32.26 | Dagmar | Hell, I have an emergency laptop stashed in an ex-gf's closet |
| 00:32.33 | Dagmar | Yes, I'm _that_ paranoid. |
| 00:33.26 | NightHawkTheSane | thats pretty paranoid |
| 00:33.33 | Shirik | you need to put a laptop in a bank vault |
| 00:33.34 | Shirik | or something |
| 00:33.37 | Shirik | emergency laptop |
| 00:33.44 | Shirik | off-site and secure |
| 00:33.48 | NightHawkTheSane | along with a pair of pants |
| 00:33.56 | NightHawkTheSane | you always need to have emergency pants |
| 00:33.59 | Shirik | nah |
| 00:34.03 | Shirik | pantsless is ok |
| 00:34.06 | Dagmar | Bank vaults are the sort of thing other people would be able to find out about |
| 00:34.21 | NightHawkTheSane | .. no one gets that reference, do they :( |
| 00:34.35 | Dagmar | if you need emergency pants you probably shoudln't have been messin' around with that girl in the first place. |
| 00:34.39 | cog|away | towell > pants |
| 00:34.43 | cog|away | lnick cogwheel |
| 00:34.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd say you all need to read more sluggy, but that reference is like 8 years old or something |
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| 00:35.08 | Shirik | sluggy? |
| 00:35.15 | NightHawkTheSane | sluggy freelance |
| 00:35.43 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:35.56 | Lunessa | Emergency pants in the trunk of the car. *nod* |
| 00:35.57 | NightHawkTheSane | its a webcomic. possibly one of the oldest ever. |
| 00:38.27 | Tepel | All you need is a towel |
| 00:38.38 | Lunessa | No, all you need is love. |
| 00:38.50 | Tepel | too cliche |
| 00:39.03 | Lunessa | But beats emergency pants. |
| 00:39.13 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.sluggy.com/comics/archives/daily/020408 |
| 00:39.54 | Tepel | I like the Hitchhikers' towel better |
| 00:44.22 | Dagmar | Clearly, my answer indicates I am a very bad man. |
| 00:47.07 | Lunessa | http://scout-report.net/ |
| 00:49.36 | Tepel | I assume you despise Vista |
| 00:50.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Vista is made of awesome and win |
| 00:50.30 | Tepel | Are we talking about the same OS here? |
| 00:50.38 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: s/Vista/7/ imo |
| 00:50.40 | Tepel | Cause I'd prefer Win 7 over Vista any day |
| 00:51.20 | Amarande | Vista would be fine if it wasn't for the fact that Firefox and WoW in 2GB is a tight enough squeeze to make alt-tab evil slow |
| 00:51.22 | Tepel | Not that there's anything really bad about Vista, 7 is just more finished |
| 00:51.38 | cogwheel | pfft RAM is cheap (nowadays) |
| 00:51.49 | Tepel | Unless you have DDR1 |
| 00:51.53 | Shirik | gah, Alienwares are still way overpriced |
| 00:51.56 | Amarande | cogwheel: it's more two particular issues |
| 00:51.58 | Shirik | even after Dell's acquisition |
| 00:52.06 | Shirik | how can you justify thsi computer being $3500 |
| 00:52.07 | Amarande | one, that if I go past 3GB, I'll have to get a 64-bit OS and thus might as well go Windows 7 |
| 00:52.13 | Jerub | firefox, chrome and evolution is enough to take my 4gb of ram laptop to a crawl. |
| 00:52.14 | Amarande | two, I do not know if my unused RAM slots are OK or not |
| 00:52.14 | Tepel | Shirik: design |
| 00:52.18 | Amarande | see ... here's the thing. |
| 00:52.20 | Dagmar | Shirik: "because it's Alienware" |
| 00:52.23 | Amarande | when I determined my RAM was defective |
| 00:52.34 | Jerub | Shirik: If you're after a gaming laptop, the toshiba qosimo is awesome. |
| 00:52.35 | Amarande | all I did was remove the four 512MB sticks, buy two 1GB sticks and slot them in, and memtest. |
| 00:52.41 | Shirik | I have a gaming laptop |
| 00:52.43 | Shirik | I want a desktop |
| 00:52.45 | Amarande | memtest succeeded, so I know the RAM and *THOSE SLOTS* are okay |
| 00:52.51 | Jerub | oh, buy a mac. |
| 00:52.52 | Jerub | :D |
| 00:52.53 | Shirik | not really a gaming laptop |
| 00:52.57 | Shirik | but it is certainly powerful enough |
| 00:52.59 | Shirik | no fuck macs |
| 00:53.14 | Amarande | however, since I left it at that, I have no idea if the defect was actually in one or other of the old RAM sticks, or if it is actually one of the two RAM *slots* that I am no longer using |
| 00:53.17 | Amarande | going to 4GB might well resurrect the errors |
| 00:53.27 | Tepel | Then why go alienware |
| 00:53.31 | Tepel | Just compose it yourself |
| 00:53.52 | cogwheel | Amarande: so switch them and test again? or will your mobo not let you? |
| 00:53.53 | Tepel | Or do you need to be a lanboy |
| 00:54.10 | cogwheel | or switch and put two of the 512s in as well |
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| 00:54.23 | cogwheel | so you can test known-good ram in those other slots |
| 00:54.47 | Tepel | I mean, what does alienware offer that you cant buy as a part apart from the case |
| 00:55.06 | Tepel | s/apart/aside/ |
| 00:55.26 | Arrowmaster | why would you want to buy alienware parts? |
| 00:55.29 | Arrowmaster | its just a fucking dell |
| 00:55.32 | cogwheel | a legal oem price on windows? |
| 00:55.39 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 00:55.40 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 00:55.46 | Tepel | 80⬠|
| 00:56.04 | Arrowmaster | meh if i wanted windows i can get 7 business for free legally |
| 00:56.15 | Tepel | gief! |
| 00:56.16 | cogwheel | too |
| 00:56.48 | NightHawkTheSane | if i want windows, i need to stop drinking |
| 00:56.50 | NightHawkTheSane | or drink some more. |
| 00:56.55 | Corrodias | and i can get it using my old msdnaa account :D |
| 00:57.38 | Corrodias | i'd never do that because i am not supposed to have access to that. of course. |
| 00:58.01 | Arrowmaster | my msdnaa account gets locked while im not taking a CIS class |
| 00:58.13 | Amarande | passes NHTS another Sulfuron Slammer |
| 00:58.27 | Corrodias | your admin is diligent |
| 00:58.55 | Arrowmaster | im guessing its e-academy or whatever thats diligent |
| 00:59.31 | Arrowmaster | and automatically locks all accounts when they know our semester is over |
| 00:59.46 | Corrodias | huh. |
| 01:00.16 | Arrowmaster | our msdnaa is through e-academy |
| 01:00.51 | Shirik | Tepel: I would |
| 01:00.54 | Arrowmaster | and all our accounts get locked right at the end of the semester and theres like a 1 week delay getting them unlocked the next semester |
| 01:00.54 | Shirik | but I was being laz |
| 01:00.56 | Shirik | lazy |
| 01:01.14 | Shirik | generally the argument is "manufacturers can make desktops for about the same price as yourself because they buy in bulk" |
| 01:01.24 | Shirik | and that is in fact mostly true |
| 01:01.32 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: 100% false for alienware |
| 01:01.33 | Shirik | except when people put a price on brand names |
| 01:01.37 | Shirik | exactly :P |
| 01:01.52 | Shirik | but Dell doesn't sell the hardware I want except if it were customized as an alienware |
| 01:02.33 | Arrowmaster | back whenever alienware sold out and bestbuy started selling them i kept pricing custom built vs alienware and always came up with about half the price for custom built with the same or better specs than the alienware |
| 01:02.35 | Tepel | You could always call |
| 01:02.41 | jpmorgan | i had good luck getting a machine built by pugetsystems.com to my spec |
| 01:02.47 | jpmorgan | good support etc after the buy |
| 01:03.03 | A-KO | generally I no longer custom build PCs for people unless I know they're a computer nerd and are just lazy |
| 01:03.06 | Tepel | You could try your luck with the salesmen at dell if you're really lazy |
| 01:03.07 | A-KO | or can handle it and know what they're getting |
| 01:03.11 | A-KO | otherwise, I tell people to buy Dell |
| 01:03.12 | Corrodias | i'm still at the stage where i sort of enjoy assembling the PC myself |
| 01:03.45 | Arrowmaster | im at the stage where i dont want to use a pc i didnt build myself because i dont trust anybody else |
| 01:03.49 | Tepel | I built one recently! And I didn't mess up the socket! |
| 01:03.51 | Corrodias | but the headaches of finding the right shit to put together almost isn't worth it any more |
| 01:03.57 | A-KO | oh I build my own :P |
| 01:04.00 | A-KO | just don't do it for others |
| 01:04.30 | A-KO | because USUALLY they come to me with a very low price point, and it's difficult to build something even moderately low end |
| 01:04.43 | A-KO | I mean, at best buy you can get Dell machines for $500 that are pretty damn beast for what they are |
| 01:05.20 | Arrowmaster | got my dads dell desktop for $300 a few years back |
| 01:05.24 | Amarande | I insist on building my own |
| 01:05.29 | A-KO | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9532428&type=product&id=1218120174747 |
| 01:05.42 | Tepel | I only build my own desktop |
| 01:06.03 | A-KO | I build my own, but it's hard to argue with a price like that for that machine |
| 01:06.17 | A-KO | for people who don't know shit |
| 01:06.44 | Arrowmaster | meh expensive |
| 01:06.48 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 01:06.56 | Arrowmaster | my dads $300 dell came with an lcd too |
| 01:06.57 | Tepel | Doable for less |
| 01:07.07 | A-KO | Tepel: but not nearly as easily :P |
| 01:07.11 | A-KO | and far more time consuming |
| 01:07.17 | Lunessa | Aside from the graphics card, that's as good as my home system |
| 01:07.19 | Tepel | Getting a legit OS might get troublesome though |
| 01:07.26 | A-KO | yeah |
| 01:07.26 | Corrodias | i'd have to pack in a $300 video card, a $200 processor upgrade, a $200 hard drive upgrade, and a sound card |
| 01:07.41 | Tepel | Speaking of soundcards |
| 01:07.42 | A-KO | legit Windows OS is ~$100-$150 |
| 01:07.57 | Tepel | Anyone know of a good hardware accelerated card that runs well under linux |
| 01:08.01 | Dagmar | Someone hasn't priced hardware lately |
| 01:08.03 | Arrowmaster | ive mentioned that my new 2 month old computer was $3000 to build right? |
| 01:08.10 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:08.10 | Tepel | Cause I'm not sure Creative is worth my money |
| 01:08.12 | jpmorgan | os question. i want to put eclipse sde on a linux box. recommended distro anyone? its been a long time |
| 01:08.15 | Dagmar | Holy cow man |
| 01:08.21 | Amarande | *shrug* I always use a humble Audigy SE |
| 01:08.21 | Corrodias | i sure don't know, tekkub |
| 01:08.21 | Dagmar | How did you spend three grand on a desktop? |
| 01:08.24 | Corrodias | *tepel |
| 01:08.28 | Amarande | and I can't remember if that has any hardware acceleration |
| 01:08.35 | A-KO | my desktop is < $1,000 ; but I plan on building a multitude of more focused machines rather than one big powerful one |
| 01:08.37 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: hardware raid6 |
| 01:08.41 | Dagmar | jpmorgan: If you don't care, Ubuntu |
| 01:08.42 | A-KO | so my file server is going to be a large raided box |
| 01:08.49 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Ah okay that'll do it |
| 01:08.59 | Jerub | my file server is going to be an opensolaris machine :) |
| 01:09.03 | Tepel | Amarande: it's hard to get the right audigy card. And my current Live! card really won't do anymore |
| 01:09.03 | jpmorgan | thats what i figured. is gentoo still decent? |
| 01:09.11 | A-KO | Gentoo is good but you'll spend a lot of time on it |
| 01:09.12 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:09.15 | A-KO | that you wouldn't on a binary system |
| 01:09.21 | Tepel | You do? |
| 01:09.21 | Dagmar | jpmorgan: Yes, but you have to know the Gentooisms or your'e dead in the water |
| 01:09.35 | Tepel | Cause I don't spend that much time on my gentoo install |
| 01:09.36 | jpmorgan | any other notable possible choices that i should at least dismiss? |
| 01:09.44 | Dagmar | Corrodias: 1Tb drives are like $80 or less now |
| 01:09.45 | Amarande | Dagmar: the biggest Gentooism is "SHIT!!! IT WON'T COMPILE!" right? :) |
| 01:10.02 | jpmorgan | my damn android bricked after 2 days. feh |
| 01:10.10 | jpmorgan | cheap |
| 01:10.12 | Tepel | Amarande: followed by "Meh, probably fixed next week" |
| 01:10.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: I thought it was "I need to adjust my racing stripes for the new USE flags I just pulled out of my ass" |
| 01:10.19 | Corrodias | yeah, so a $160 drive upgrade. |
| 01:10.36 | Amarande | or possibly |
| 01:10.44 | Amarande | "Shit! I compiled ext3 as a module and now I can't boot!" |
| 01:10.52 | Dagmar | Corrodias: I paid $45 for the 2.6Ghz core 4250e (64-bti dual core AMD, 45w tdp) like a year or so ago |
| 01:11.02 | Arrowmaster | $80 for 1tb still gets you 'ok' quality drives |
| 01:11.10 | Corrodias | mhm, and the best at the time was 3.4ghz, midrange 3.0 |
| 01:11.12 | Arrowmaster | i had to go more expensive for raid quality drives |
| 01:11.13 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Wait until the 22nd and both AMD and Intel will drop new CPUs onto the market and there will be a small price war |
| 01:11.17 | Corrodias | or thereabouts. |
| 01:11.34 | Amarande | wait, core i7 is going to be past-gen in a couple days? |
| 01:11.36 | Corrodias | yeah, i'm not buying a new computer any time soon. this one is only a year old. |
| 01:11.37 | Lunessa | I really need to build a new desktop. |
| 01:11.42 | Dagmar | Amarande: Possibly |
| 01:11.50 | Tepel | I just bought one! |
| 01:11.52 | Arrowmaster | i7 bloomfield |
| 01:11.57 | Tepel | cpu[8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.60GHz w/ 8192 KB L2 Cache] |
| 01:11.59 | Arrowmaster | which i just bought |
| 01:12.13 | Dagmar | Amarande: ...although mainly I think it's AMD starting their campaign to say "screw rackspace, we're taking the home market" |
| 01:12.13 | Tepel | hehe, silly clock speed |
| 01:12.15 | Amarande | Tepel: Octa-core? |
| 01:12.22 | Tepel | No, quad |
| 01:12.28 | Arrowmaster | quad with HT |
| 01:12.28 | Amarande | it says 8 x there |
| 01:12.33 | Amarande | ah. |
| 01:12.40 | Amarande | say, are there any dual-CPU I7 boards? :) |
| 01:12.49 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 01:13.01 | Corrodias | why is that? |
| 01:13.09 | Corrodias | er, never mind |
| 01:13.11 | Arrowmaster | because thats what xeons are for |
| 01:13.12 | Amarande | although I'm not sure what I'd do with eight cores in a gaming machine |
| 01:13.16 | Dagmar | I've been told AMD will definitely be dropping another line of shockingly low power usage CPUs on the 22nd along hte lines of the 4x50e models |
| 01:13.19 | Amarande | I'm sure Rybka would be insane on it though |
| 01:13.40 | Lunessa | Watch full-screen HD pr0n while multi-boxing 4 wow accounts? |
| 01:13.42 | Amarande | and I might get 60 fps in Dalaran on such :) |
| 01:13.43 | Tepel | I know what to do with all the cores |
| 01:13.48 | Arrowmaster | i could put a xeon in this mobo and get ECC ram |
| 01:13.52 | Tepel | I just don't have the monitors to support it |
| 01:14.13 | Dagmar | Amarande: Nto without a video card that costs about as much as the whole rest of the machine |
| 01:14.13 | cogwheel | 17:04 < cog|away> Shirik: hence the turtleneck sweater ;) |
| 01:14.13 | cogwheel | 17:04 <@Shirik> .. |
| 01:14.14 | cogwheel | The turtleneck didn't bring the image of Steve Jobs in your mind? http://tinyurl.com/yftsxmp |
| 01:14.34 | Shirik | negative |
| 01:14.39 | Shirik | I try not to think of him |
| 01:14.56 | Tepel | But you are ... |
| 01:15.12 | Jerub | is that like yesterday, when you lost the game? |
| 01:15.15 | Dagmar | You know he wears that turtleneck to hide the gills, right? |
| 01:16.15 | Tepel | off to bed! |
| 01:16.48 | Tepel | and Amarande, even my quad core won't get me 60fps in dalaran |
| 01:16.52 | Tepel | though Wine might have something to do with that |
| 01:17.26 | Jerub | i can't even login to the game using wine. |
| 01:17.29 | Tepel | Apparently, my system is fine with running all cores on their lowest speed while running wow |
| 01:17.37 | Jerub | but my intel grpahics is probably the explanation for that |
| 01:17.38 | Dagmar | Does your video card _glow_ without LEDs? |
| 01:17.49 | Dagmar | If not, then it probably won't get 60fps in Dalaran |
| 01:18.19 | Tepel | I should try Win 7 one day |
| 01:18.21 | Jerub | my cpus barely work in WoW. my graphics card runs super hot though. |
| 01:18.25 | Tepel | see if directx makes a difference |
| 01:19.27 | Tepel | all this talk about gentoo has made me sync my tree! |
| 01:19.46 | Tepel | Now I'll wake up in the morning to see a failed compile, and that'll be on your hands! |
| 01:20.55 | Tepel | by the by, those of you who want to attain the old school Onyxia achievement should go and kill Nefarian |
| 01:21.12 | Tepel | Since he drops the T1 or T2 head pieces now |
| 01:21.20 | Tepel | Which are still linked to the ony achievement |
| 01:21.54 | Shirik | I just saw a commercial for this... http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/09/video-mattel-mind-flex-hands-and-heads-on/ |
| 01:21.59 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting |
| 01:24.22 | cogwheel | Shirik: can you transfer http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5280-BuyDropper-RIP.html and svn://svn.wowinterface.com/BuyDropper-31 to Ellira ? |
| 01:24.36 | Shirik | I cannot |
| 01:24.40 | Shirik | but Cairenn or Dolby can |
| 01:24.47 | cogwheel | kk |
| 01:24.52 | cogwheel | ty for pinging ;) |
| 01:25.02 | Cairenn | link to Ellira's profile, please |
| 01:25.35 | Cairenn | cogwheel: ^^ |
| 01:25.40 | cogwheel | kk sec |
| 01:27.33 | cogwheel | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?u=107044 |
| 01:27.37 | cogwheel | Cairenn: ^^ |
| 01:28.06 | Cairenn | done |
| 01:28.11 | cogwheel | ty :) |
| 01:28.17 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 01:30.31 | Lunessa | I would seriously like to go home now. But... I'm stuck here for another 2 hours. |
| 01:31.01 | Tepel | 6 mins till my trick or treat debuff is gone! |
| 01:31.18 | Tepel | Then I'll really go to bed |
| 01:32.04 | Tepel | Aha! See what I almost did there! |
| 01:32.09 | Tepel | I almost installed kde 4! |
| 01:36.07 | Wobin | wow, you can actually form bucket chains with the HH in the newbie towns |
| 01:36.10 | NightHawkTheSane | heh. latest dark legacy comic is amusing |
| 01:37.00 | Wobin | link? |
| 01:37.00 | NightHawkTheSane | the Brill Bucket Brigade? |
| 01:37.08 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/210.html |
| 01:37.59 | Shirik | Tepel: You should |
| 01:38.20 | Tepel | Not yet! |
| 01:38.25 | Tepel | I like my kde 3.5 |
| 01:38.34 | Dagmar | The number of chronic soloers that fail putting out fires makes me despair |
| 01:38.36 | Tepel | And I despise Dolphin! |
| 01:38.43 | Shirik | They should make KDE for windows |
| 01:38.43 | Shirik | like not just the layer to run KDE apps |
| 01:38.43 | Shirik | but the entire window manager |
| 01:38.43 | Shirik | desktop environment |
| 01:38.44 | Tepel | What's wrong with konqueror! |
| 01:38.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Tepel: well, i like your mom, but they're both getting a bit old |
| 01:38.55 | Amarande | Dagmar: the fires aren't soloable, are they? so .... |
| 01:39.20 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: they do i thought |
| 01:39.27 | Tepel | I really felt the time/effort spent on dolphin was wasted |
| 01:39.34 | Dagmar | Amarande: If there's 3-4 of you, maybe with high occurrences of "probably not" |
| 01:39.45 | Tepel | Bah, leper gnome |
| 01:40.05 | Dagmar | ...but if ONE PERSON just freaking stands next to the bucket and throws to someone standing within tossing range of a flaming building, odds go massively up |
| 01:40.38 | Dagmar | This means you have to be able to talk someone into actually standing still while you throw buckets to them faster than their little brain can figure out how to press the same button again |
| 01:41.06 | Tepel | odds are that other person will still walk back to the bucket even after you throw them one |
| 01:41.06 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 01:41.06 | Dagmar | I see it all the time |
| 01:41.12 | Jerub | wait. what? |
| 01:41.13 | Dagmar | Last year I had a macro for "Stand next to the COREHOUND and you'll get buckets thrown to you" |
| 01:41.19 | Jerub | you can do a bucket chain? |
| 01:41.38 | Dagmar | Once in awhile one or two people would clue in and I could throw to both of them faster than they could get rid of the buckets |
| 01:41.42 | Jerub | I didn't realise, i thought that 'throw at other plyaer thing' was to extinguish them if they catch on fire. |
| 01:41.48 | Dagmar | Jerub: Thank you for demonstrating what I'm talking about |
| 01:42.10 | Tepel | :) |
| 01:42.24 | Dagmar | mostly I'd throw at folks as they were just running past the core hound, only to watch them come all the way to the bucket and stand there trying to figure out why it was telling them they couldn't pick up any more |
| 01:42.25 | Tepel | well, to be fair, the firemen training didn't cover that part |
| 01:42.35 | Dagmar | It actually does mention it |
| 01:42.39 | Dagmar | Twice. |
| 01:42.43 | Tepel | But no training! |
| 01:42.55 | Jerub | yeah, the training trains you to run backwards and forwards. |
| 01:43.23 | Dagmar | Tepel: People would complain if they had to do a quest that required someone else be smarter than a tree frog. |
| 01:43.23 | Jerub | and everyone knows the quest text never has any useful information in it |
| 01:43.23 | Arrowmaster | and the rest of the game trains you not to read any text in the game |
| 01:43.23 | Tepel | That's what questhelper is for |
| 01:43.25 | Tepel | amiright! |
| 01:43.29 | Arrowmaster | oh wait sorry thats just QuestHelper |
| 01:43.30 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 01:43.42 | Arrowmaster | so blame ZorbaTHut |
| 01:43.46 | Tepel | though I've never used it ... |
| 01:43.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: ITS ALL YOUR FAULT! |
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| 01:44.00 | NightHawkTheSane | runs into a corner and cires |
| 01:44.02 | NightHawkTheSane | cries* |
| 01:44.03 | Jerub | i still maintain the problem with quest text is that all quests have to have an equal amount of prose, but have an unequal amount of information. |
| 01:44.11 | Tepel | You're to blame for the idiocracy in wow! |
| 01:44.18 | Jerub | and my fluff filter means i can't even read any of them :/ |
| 01:45.38 | Jerub | because it's impossible to distinguish between "fluff fluff fluff kill bunnies fluff fluff" and "only kill the green bunnies and never a red bunny and make sure you activate this item during the fight after they're under 33% health" |
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| 01:46.36 | Tepel | I had an addon for the ogri'la quest with the notes, remembering was hard |
| 01:47.02 | Tepel | the one where you have to repeat the tune |
| 01:47.45 | Jerub | the one i hated most was the quest where you have to go all the way through a cave in nagrand, out the exit, up the hill and into another cave entrance that leads to the SAME CAVE but a level up. |
| 01:48.06 | Tepel | Oh right! |
| 01:48.20 | Arrowmaster | pff now you can just fly to the 2nd entrance |
| 01:49.15 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: that doesn't help when you're wanting to throw the computer out the window because "I'M STANDING ON THE DAMN QUESTION MARK WHERE THE HELL IS THIS BASTARD" because wow handles Z axis on maps so bad. |
| 01:50.04 | Dagmar | That and players brains shut down when the quest marker is in the middle of the minimap |
| 01:50.11 | Dagmar | Obvious we MUST be right next to it |
| 01:50.18 | Amarande | Jerub: remember Dreadmaul Rock? :) |
| 01:50.35 | ZorbaTHut | I've actually considered rigging up QH to have some comprehension of cave entrances and accessible world graph |
| 01:50.40 | ZorbaTHut | but it's low on the priority list |
| 01:50.57 | ZorbaTHut | (I came up with the idea on that *exact quest* :P) |
| 01:51.07 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: the only thing I'd like is some indicator for "in a cave" |
| 01:51.25 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, yeah, I could do "indoors" without *too* much trouble |
| 01:51.39 | ZorbaTHut | but that's "not too much trouble" in the sense that it would still slow down my other projects |
| 01:51.49 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: do you have the data? |
| 01:52.07 | ZorbaTHut | no, I'd have to gather it |
| 01:52.12 | Jerub | also, how hard would it be to get the feature for finding someone by name working again? |
| 01:52.16 | ZorbaTHut | and that means I'd have to change my loc format |
| 01:52.27 | ZorbaTHut | hard enough that I haven't done it yet. I'm taking donations for that feature if you want me to speed it along ;) |
| 01:52.30 | Jerub | bugger. |
| 01:52.38 | Jerub | what about just Z axis distance? |
| 01:52.44 | ZorbaTHut | impossible, afaik |
| 01:52.49 | ZorbaTHut | WoW doesn't give me any Z info. |
| 01:52.53 | Jerub | :( |
| 01:52.58 | Jerub | stabs WoW |
| 01:53.51 | NeoTron | ZorbaTHut: so overall QH is really awesome but where it fails totally are quests that involes doing something without an objective for it. unfortunately quite common at 80. i.e jc daily, crusader dalies where you need to get an item from somewhere and convert it to the item you need etc |
| 01:54.27 | ZorbaTHut | neotron, yeah, I need to rig up a manual override/chaining system for that |
| 01:54.43 | ZorbaTHut | haven't done it yet. it's lower priority than achievement support, similar priority to /qh find |
| 01:54.48 | Jerub | It'd be nice to be able to sticky some of the dailys as 'low priority' |
| 01:55.06 | Jerub | i always turn the 'valients seal' quest to low priority |
| 01:55.16 | Jerub | but it's reset when i log back in the next day |
| 01:55.34 | Amarande | I'm hating the jousting quests |
| 01:55.36 | ZorbaTHut | Yup. That'd be nice too. That's waiting on a better configuration/setup module, which is lower priority than /qh find or manual overriding. |
| 01:55.44 | Amarande | I wonder what awfulness I get when I finish the valiant's seal stuff |
| 01:56.03 | ZorbaTHut | A lot of this comes down to "if QH made me more money, I'd spend more time on it", but right now the majority of time on QH is spent trying to get QH to make me more money so I can spend more time on it, which is kind of unfortunate :P |
| 01:56.04 | kd3 | champion's. then valiants again four more times |
| 01:56.06 | NightHawkTheSane | you get to joust 4 harder champions |
| 01:56.11 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I don't even bother with the jousting quests myself |
| 01:56.13 | NightHawkTheSane | so suck it and get better :P |
| 01:56.25 | ZorbaTHut | you can get eight seals without jousting, or ten with jousting. it ain't worth it to get ten. ;) |
| 01:56.35 | Jerub | I'm in australia, so i'm too lagged to joust, so the valiants crap takes longer than it shuld. |
| 01:56.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: sure it is, jousting is so easy :P |
| 01:56.54 | Tepel | I'm skipping all jousting quests |
| 01:57.01 | Amarande | either I suck or these jousting opponents don't even let you do half the jousting stuff you're supposed to |
| 01:57.02 | ZorbaTHut | eh, it's annoying and not terribly fun |
| 01:57.04 | Tepel | cba to do them anymore, too much of a hassle |
| 01:57.07 | cogwheel | Lunessa: way iz yu? |
| 01:57.12 | Jerub | NHTS: only for americans |
| 01:57.16 | Amarande | basically, I can never get away from them for long enough to do shield breakers |
| 01:57.19 | NeoTron | man wtf is wow so laggy recently. looting, mailing, logging in/out etc |
| 01:57.21 | Amarande | so it takes FOREVER |
| 01:57.23 | Tepel | woo! system updated fine without any errors! |
| 01:57.25 | Lunessa | cogwheel: I haz night shift. |
| 01:57.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: nah, i've done it with a fair bit of lag, its not hard if you dont suck |
| 01:57.37 | Tepel | now I need to check 29 config files .... |
| 01:57.55 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: when they run away charge them then as you are spinning around shield brake them |
| 01:57.58 | cogwheel | bummah... you got 2 dks with HH quest raring to go... |
| 01:58.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: fail less, you dont need to be that far, and you can turn/attack fairly close to them |
| 01:58.13 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Work until 10:30 Central. |
| 01:58.16 | Jerub | NHTS: i end up being unable to get away far enough to charge, but the npc can charge a yard away, because of lag. |
| 01:58.23 | Lunessa | I'll be home around 11:00 Central |
| 01:58.46 | Jerub | i might get it 2-3 times, but that's not enough to win a match |
| 01:59.49 | Dagmar | Amarande: Literally man you just start facing the direction you want them to run, tell them you're ready to fight, start smacking charge until it goes off, hit them with a melee strike (free damage) as you pass them in the charge, then start smacking shield breaker while you make kind of a lazy-ish 10 yard circle turn to get right back into melee range so they can't charge you |
| 01:59.56 | Dagmar | Amarande: Rinse and repeat |
| 02:00.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 02:00.36 | NightHawkTheSane | and you can replace shield beaker with charge in there as well |
| 02:00.37 | Dagmar | The only real exception being that once you're back in melee range you simply keep meleeing until they decide to try to run off, then you _back away_ and slam charge, melee, shield breaker, rinse repeat |
| 02:01.06 | Arrowmaster | if you dont charge them they will charge you, which you dont want to let happen |
| 02:01.07 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: cherge's cooldown is longer |
| 02:01.30 | Dagmar | You can *always* get the drop on them when they turn around and try to get range to charge you |
| 02:01.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: yeah, i usually do the lazy-circle around them and charge if its up, shield breaker if not |
| 02:01.46 | NightHawkTheSane | on a good day, i'll never lose a charge from my shields |
| 02:01.57 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Iv'e just about got the distance needed to fire off that spear and be back within melee so they can't spear me perfected |
| 02:02.17 | Dagmar | The last five times I've beaten the champions one after the other without mending my mount, just to piss off the horde over there |
| 02:02.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: yeah, same. although i'm kinda lazy at times, because i know i can fuck up and still win |
| 02:02.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: yeah, ive done that :) |
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| 02:03.14 | Kraps_ | crank 2 is the most fucked up shit ever |
| 02:03.40 | Tepel | [amarok] Slagsmålsklubben // Boss For Leader // sponsored by destiny (6:02) |
| 02:03.48 | Tepel | awesomesauce for sleeping |
| 02:03.56 | Arrowmaster | its a decent laugh but yeah its close to the B movie area |
| 02:03.56 | Tepel | bai-bee |
| 02:04.33 | Kraps_ | Arrowmaster: but its jason statham so who cares |
| 02:04.44 | Dagmar | mMM... best bug ever |
| 02:05.00 | Dagmar | Champions Online test server lets you mail things from your cloned toon on the test server back to the live server |
| 02:05.18 | Dagmar | Not like you can do anything useful with twice your own crap, but it's something |
| 02:08.57 | Iriel | Dagmar: They're just not real good with items + mail, period |
| 02:10.19 | Kraps_ | i think statham actually grabbed a high-voltage box |
| 02:10.28 | Dagmar | They gave me jet boots and a small army of killbots. |
| 02:10.31 | Dagmar | I'll cut 'em some slack. |
| 02:10.49 | Dagmar | ...oh and the orbital cannon is nice. |
| 02:10.58 | Lunessa | Facebook - proving that the world is smaller than I think every time I turn around. |
| 02:11.08 | Dagmar | Nothing says "IWIN" like a whopping great laser beam striking down from space. |
| 02:11.58 | Amarande | Dagmar: ever try fighting the golem in the desert in Wild Arms Alter Code F without being on your golem? :) |
| 02:13.12 | Dagmar | I know better |
| 02:13.48 | Amarande | Alter Code F was win |
| 02:14.06 | Amarande | other than the pain in the ass that gathering enough level 4 resistance items was |
| 02:14.14 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs |
| 02:14.17 | Amarande | "let's make this the rarest drop from the rarest enemy" |
| 02:14.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i go through the trouble of actually updating my addon, and forget to bump the toc |
| 02:15.10 | Amarande | Night: most people run with 'load out of date addons' set anyway though |
| 02:15.43 | NightHawkTheSane | er.. so? |
| 02:18.59 | Dagmar | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/160.html <-- reminds me that they completely frelled up my favorite mini-game |
| 02:19.36 | Dagmar | being a fifteen foot tall dwarf was completely awesome |
| 02:19.45 | Dagmar | Damn Blizzard and their hard limits on dwarf upsizing |
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| 02:21.02 | Amarande | you're a dwarf |
| 02:21.09 | Amarande | if you wanted to be a zillion feet tall you should have been a night elf |
| 02:21.46 | Arrowmaster | tauren on my server got so big during halloween he almost didnt fit through the front gates of org |
| 02:22.23 | Arrowmaster | he was on a raptor and doing something to make himself stunned too so he was standing on the raptor |
| 02:22.54 | Jerub | i like my war mammoth, but i can't fit through most doors :/ |
| 02:25.23 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, I died due to that once |
| 02:26.12 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajhQMjpgGfY&feature=player_embedded |
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| 02:26.22 | Wobin | omg it's so much cuter in french |
| 02:26.44 | Wobin | capucine is adorable |
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| 02:32.00 | Lunessa | Anyone know much about Feral Druid Tanking? |
| 02:33.01 | Corrodias | if we go back in time 2 years, eyah! |
| 02:33.04 | Corrodias | E YAH |
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| 02:35.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: kinda, sorta, whats up? |
| 02:35.12 | tem | same here |
| 02:35.31 | tem | I ditched my feral when blizzard made it clear they were ruining feral itemization even worse than it already was |
| 02:35.51 | Lunessa | I'm considering dusitng off my 61 druid and cranking up to level 80. We seem critically short of tanks and I could probably level this one fastest. |
| 02:38.56 | Lunessa | Mostly I'm looking for basics - I haven't seriously played a feral tank, ever. |
| 02:40.04 | NightHawkTheSane | the basics are reasonably straightforward |
| 02:40.14 | NightHawkTheSane | your gear is basically the same as cat gear |
| 02:40.30 | NightHawkTheSane | just gem/enchant for sta, and i think dodge |
| 02:40.54 | Lunessa | Looks like I want enough expertise to negate dodge results too. |
| 02:41.23 | Lunessa | And since I can get crit immune from talents I can get a crapload of agility and stamina. |
| 02:41.31 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, softcapping expertise and capping hit are nice if you can manage |
| 02:42.14 | Lunessa | So it's basicaly pull, mangle and maul and oh sh!t buttons as needed? |
| 02:42.27 | Amarande | Lunessa: don't forget faerie fire |
| 02:42.33 | NightHawkTheSane | in general, yeah |
| 02:42.38 | Lunessa | Amarande: That's a pull. :) |
| 02:42.39 | NightHawkTheSane | FF is good,to toss in as often as you can |
| 02:42.50 | NightHawkTheSane | it does (reasonable) damage and has increased threat in bear |
| 02:42.56 | Lunessa | Oh, nice. |
| 02:42.57 | NightHawkTheSane | so its good to toss in regularly |
| 02:43.18 | NightHawkTheSane | also, swipe is your go-to ability for multi-mob pulls |
| 02:43.20 | NightHawkTheSane | and get the glyph of maul |
| 02:44.57 | Lunessa | *nod* and for leveling go get myself the heirloom stuff. |
| 02:45.47 | ZorbaTHut | if it's anything like warrior tanking, hit and expertise are only really needed if you're being threatened on, well, threat |
| 02:46.03 | ZorbaTHut | and while dodge is always nice to have, if you're doing progression stuff, you basically want to jam as much pure stamina in as possible |
| 02:46.25 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: I could just level my warrior again, but I haven't played that toon fore more than 10-15 minutes since 2006 |
| 02:46.40 | Lunessa | And there seems a lot more to learn about warrior tanking |
| 02:46.42 | NightHawkTheSane | on my druid, expertise wasn't hard to come by, as you can talent into 10, and cat gear usualy comes with some |
| 02:46.48 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not saying warriors are better or anything, I'm just saying that's sort of the general tanking progression deal :) |
| 02:47.04 | ZorbaTHut | if you're being one- or two-shot, add stamina |
| 02:47.17 | ZorbaTHut | then, if you're worrying about threat, add expertise |
| 02:47.25 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 02:47.41 | ZorbaTHut | then, if you feel like making life easier on your healers, add mitigation (I think that's agility or dodge for bears, though I'm not quite sure) |
| 02:48.02 | ZorbaTHut | but honestly if you get to the "mitigation" part it means you're doing content that you're overgeared for. |
| 02:48.11 | Lunessa | I've spent a lot of time playing caster DPS, healers, or Melee Shaman. Everything else is kind of rusty and the mechanics have changed a lot. |
| 02:49.59 | NightHawkTheSane | WOOOOOOOOOO |
| 02:50.11 | NightHawkTheSane | <-- just got horseman's reigns |
| 02:50.16 | kd3 | grrr |
| 02:50.18 | kd3 | rrrrr |
| 02:51.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: obviously, if you want to really get into the finer points, EJ probably has some good stuff as per usual |
| 02:51.34 | Lunessa | I'm skimming their forum now. |
| 02:51.36 | NightHawkTheSane | but generally, the basics are what we just mentioned. |
| 02:52.04 | Lunessa | Thanks guys. I'm not sure I'm going to do this project (go go 80 #6) but it might be worth doing. |
| 02:52.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Druids are pretty fun |
| 02:52.35 | NightHawkTheSane | I enjoy tanking with them |
| 02:52.48 | NightHawkTheSane | also, wil shipley scares me.. http://twitter.com/wilshipley/status/5008317400 |
| 02:54.38 | Lunessa | Color me clueless, who the hell is wil shipley? |
| 02:55.38 | NightHawkTheSane | An indie mac software developer, who's rather amusing at times |
| 02:55.48 | NightHawkTheSane | he does Delicious Library, if you've heard of it |
| 02:55.50 | Lunessa | AH. |
| 03:00.20 | Kraps_ | Michael Bay Presents: Explosions! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRS90V8BQGo&feature=related |
| 03:00.30 | Lunessa | NHTS - yeah, heard of it. |
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| 03:03.34 | NightHawkTheSane | http://i.fokzine.net/upload/090328_118602_idd_de_meeste_browsers_zijn_kut.jpg |
| 03:12.34 | Jerub | Lunessa: My main is a drood, and I've been trying to improve my tanking lately. |
| 03:12.55 | Lunessa | How's it going then? |
| 03:13.20 | Jerub | Lunessa: brilliant, now that i've got /cast !Maul macroed on mangle, FFF, lacerate and swipe. |
| 03:13.36 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 03:13.53 | Dagmar | A shame face-roller doesn't handle druids |
| 03:14.55 | Jerub | Lunessa: I've got 2 T8.5, and 2 T9.232 pieces, and i'm pulling 2.2k dps, and about 6k tps. |
| 03:15.14 | Jerub | (that was on naxx 10 patchwork and globulus last night) |
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| 03:15.46 | Lunessa | So, you're face rolling content you out-gear, but how are you doing in say Ulduar or ToCr-25? |
| 03:16.51 | Jerub | I'm doing fine in ulduar, but i haven't done ToCr. I OT uld for my guild, and my guild doens't run ToCr |
| 03:17.07 | Lunessa | Ok. Not asking to be a jerk, just need some information is all. :) |
| 03:17.49 | Jerub | oh, no worries, I'm trying to be accurate and not talk myself up :P |
| 03:21.52 | ZorbaTHut | how can you run uld and not tocr? tocr is fun and easy and drops awesome loot |
| 03:22.18 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: .. lameness i think. |
| 03:22.22 | ZorbaTHut | oy. |
| 03:22.22 | Jerub | it's mostly a social guild. |
| 03:22.30 | ZorbaTHut | talk them into tocr |
| 03:22.37 | ZorbaTHut | if you can beat northrend beasts, you can beat the entire instance |
| 03:22.55 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 03:23.15 | ZorbaTHut | (I'm not quite sure why they decided to put the hardest fight in the beginning, but they did) |
| 03:23.18 | DWSR | Well, FC might give you a bit of a kick the first time. |
| 03:23.19 | NightHawkTheSane | you know |
| 03:23.20 | NightHawkTheSane | you say that |
| 03:23.29 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's true, FC can take practice |
| 03:23.31 | ZorbaTHut | the others . . . yeah. |
| 03:23.36 | DWSR | lol |
| 03:23.36 | NightHawkTheSane | but the two times i've done toc-25, we've not killed anub |
| 03:23.42 | DWSR | Anub's not hard. |
| 03:23.42 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: I think for the same reason they put argent confessor fucking palestress. |
| 03:23.43 | Amarande | Yeah, I've heard FC tends to be "can the healer stay away from the damn cat" LOL |
| 03:23.50 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: i know. >< |
| 03:23.55 | DWSR | Just requires your healers to not top up people. |
| 03:23.56 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, that's why you put a prot warrior on the cat ;) |
| 03:24.00 | Dagmar | Jerub: To separate the newbs from the not-newbs? |
| 03:24.07 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: also kinda requires your dps to not suck |
| 03:24.11 | ZorbaTHut | (or the rogue, or the warrior, or the DK) |
| 03:24.14 | Jerub | Dagmar: to hurt the noobs over and over, like a pinata, but without the candy. |
| 03:24.16 | Lunessa | Faction Champions were hard on us the first few times. Most of us didn't PVP. |
| 03:24.28 | Dagmar | Jerub: Well, at some point they'll learn to switch targets |
| 03:24.38 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, FC gives NB a fight. I still think NB is the toughest, but FC's the second-toughest |
| 03:24.51 | Lunessa | Now we just steamroll it. |
| 03:24.59 | DWSR | NHTS: Not really. Either your heals need to be intelligent or your DPS needs to rock |
| 03:25.07 | Dagmar | You're talking about the three guys at the end of the jousting bit? |
| 03:25.09 | DWSR | NHTS: First time we did it our raid facerolled. |
| 03:25.16 | Fisker | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:25.19 | Dagmar | They're hard? |
| 03:25.20 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: FC's RNG on toughness. |
| 03:25.26 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
| 03:25.31 | DWSR | ~karma Fisker |
| 03:25.31 | purl | fisker has karma of 3 |
| 03:25.34 | DWSR | :o |
| 03:25.43 | Jerub | Dagmar: no, we're talking bout eh the raid not the 5man |
| 03:25.43 | Amarande | ~karma Amarande |
| 03:25.43 | purl | amarande has neutral karma |
| 03:25.44 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: last time i did it, we wiped three times with anub at ~1% |
| 03:25.49 | NightHawkTheSane | each time, he enraged |
| 03:25.53 | Dagmar | Jerub: Oh, okay. That sounds more reasonable |
| 03:26.48 | Jerub | my black knight strategy is now to let the DPS die and just kill the black knight using the tank as a blunt instrument |
| 03:26.53 | Jerub | much easier. |
| 03:27.10 | Jerub | but i've only done NB in ToC10. pug raids always fall apart :/ |
| 03:27.20 | Jerub | wait, that was ToC25 |
| 03:27.31 | Jerub | I've never done ToC10 :/ |
| 03:27.33 | ZorbaTHut | we did an HToC10 from three separate guilds that didn't get into our guild A-teams |
| 03:27.47 | ZorbaTHut | would've taken down Jaraxxus with a few more tries too |
| 03:28.28 | Lunessa | HToC was painful the first time. It's still painful, but we get further. |
| 03:28.41 | Jerub | I tried to ask a guild to accept me into their third 10toc team, but they thought that meant, "join their guild for several months". I hate the 1 guild per toon system. |
| 03:28.43 | DWSR | ToGC is a gear check |
| 03:28.48 | ZorbaTHut | we've never gotten anywhere in htoc25 :( |
| 03:28.54 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, amen |
| 03:29.16 | DWSR | That's all it is. |
| 03:29.19 | DWSR | ToGC is just gear. |
| 03:29.20 | Jerub | I just wanted to be told when and where to turn up once a week :/ |
| 03:29.22 | ZorbaTHut | allowing multiple guilds would be amazing. I so so so wish they'd do it. |
| 03:29.35 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I disagree, some stuff actually has to be dealt with correctly instead of standing around with your thumb up your butt |
| 03:29.37 | ZorbaTHut | like standing in fire |
| 03:29.42 | Jerub | I don't even care about 'guilds' just being able to schedule events with non-guildies wouldl be enough |
| 03:29.57 | Jerub | and the whacky debufffs |
| 03:29.59 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, I think you can do that, actually |
| 03:30.12 | ZorbaTHut | personally I want multiple chat channels |
| 03:30.15 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: you can? gotta look into that. |
| 03:30.22 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: we already have multiple chat channels... |
| 03:30.26 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, yeah, I've certainly had a calendar event for people who weren't in my guild |
| 03:30.27 | Jerub | /join <name> |
| 03:30.59 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, not stable chat channels. they go away randomly, they don't have the same structure, they're not emphasized enough, there's no sane invite structure for them |
| 03:31.15 | Fisker | slaps ZorbaTHut around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:31.24 | Fisker | pills here |
| 03:31.41 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: yeah, sane chat channels would be awesome |
| 03:31.44 | Jerub | it's why I idle here. |
| 03:31.49 | ZorbaTHut | I really want a structure similar to ATITD's, but I doubt Blizzard will ever do that |
| 03:32.06 | Jerub | speaking of chat - are we super-definately going to be getting cross-realm pugs in 3.3.0? I didn't see it in the patch notes. |
| 03:32.21 | ZorbaTHut | I'd also love to be able to access my bank alt's bank while on my main character :D |
| 03:32.28 | Dagmar | They don't go away "randomly" |
| 03:32.37 | Lunessa | Nothing is certain until it patches on live... and even then it's iffy. :P |
| 03:32.55 | Dagmar | They go away the same way IRC channels do on unmanaged networks. the last person turns out the lights when they /part and the channel winks out of existance. |
| 03:33.35 | Lunessa | And ... I'm out. See you all later. |
| 03:33.41 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, when I log on, I frequently am not in the channels I used to be |
| 03:33.49 | ZorbaTHut | so I either need to remember to rejoin, or get a mod to autorejoin me |
| 03:33.57 | Dagmar | Probably the latter |
| 03:34.09 | ZorbaTHut | yah. and as long as there's no built-in support, it'll never work well. |
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| 03:34.41 | Dagmar | I did notice that _occasionally_ I wouklnd't magically rejoin #hunter, but I was sort of chalking it up to being a temp table like raid lockouts... server resets and data goes away |
| 03:36.12 | Dagmar | I need to dig around and find more addons that use open channels for comms |
| 03:36.40 | Dagmar | Messing with Carbonite users was a lot of fun |
| 03:37.17 | Jerub | is it even possible to see a list of chat channels on a server? |
| 03:37.27 | Dagmar | Not that i've seen |
| 03:37.43 | Jerub | wants to find out if there's one worth joining |
| 03:37.51 | Dagmar | Try #hottub |
| 03:37.59 | Dagmar | heh |
| 03:38.00 | Jerub | lol |
| 03:38.10 | Jerub | man, I used to chat in #hottub back in the 90's. |
| 03:38.42 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember if I ever went there |
| 03:38.56 | Amarande | back in the 90s I mostly went to AD&D and BBW channels though |
| 03:39.16 | Dagmar | Surely that acronym has a different meaning to you than the one I have in mind |
| 03:39.51 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, gearscore |
| 03:40.05 | ZorbaTHut | apparently it makes basically no attempt to sanitize data and watch for malicious data injections |
| 03:40.11 | Dagmar | YAY! |
| 03:40.19 | ZorbaTHut | so have fun :D |
| 03:40.21 | Dagmar | Wow I'm going to get into so much trouble tonight. |
| 03:40.39 | ZorbaTHut | I wish gearscore was just not terrible |
| 03:40.43 | ZorbaTHut | but it is terrible |
| 03:40.52 | kd3 | "will she clear the carav--no." |
| 03:41.02 | kd3 | whee top gear |
| 03:41.17 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:41.20 | Dagmar | It's a wonder there's still three of htem |
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| 03:42.05 | Jerub | I had fun the other night using AFA to fuck with someone who was saying, lfm 25ony, paste achievement or no reply. |
| 03:42.27 | Jerub | I pasted him an achievement from 2004, got invited, I yelled at the raid leader for being an idiot and left the raid. |
| 03:42.38 | Dagmar | heh |
| 03:42.42 | kd3 | lol |
| 03:43.17 | Jerub | I've also snuck into the raid by pasting the raidleader's own achievemnet at him. ;) |
| 03:43.28 | Dagmar | You should have hopped over to a level 78 toon and pasted him a server first level 80 achievement |
| 03:44.39 | Shirik | http://www.wired.com/underwire/2009/07/alt-text-dependency/ -- except for the "home made wifi antenna" I am in fact at stage 5 -_- |
| 03:44.53 | Shirik | I do in fact have both a cell phone internet connection and a 56k subscription |
| 03:45.25 | Dagmar | Shirik: I'm still pissed at that guy for deleting his Guide to Trolling |
| 03:46.06 | Dagmar | It would have been perfect for shutting down a lot of forum fappery. "#6. Your technique sucks. GTFO." |
| 03:46.19 | Amarande | which achievement do they want you to paste when they ask for one, btw? |
| 03:46.53 | Jerub | Amarande: the one for the raid they're doing. |
| 03:46.57 | Dagmar | If they don't say, then you get to pick one! |
| 03:47.09 | Jerub | Shirik: my internet connection wil automatically dial up the 56k modem if the pppoe connection doesn't come back. |
| 03:47.12 | Iriel | My DSL comes with dialup |
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| 03:48.11 | Iriel | *mutter* - wrong key. |
| 03:48.14 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i think im at stage 6 |
| 03:49.10 | kd3 | meh; I need to find my old cantenna |
| 03:49.27 | kd3 | nothing I've built since has been as good |
| 03:49.29 | Amarande | so pretty much Jerub, to get in pugs in your server you have to have done the raid before |
| 03:49.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think im past trying to use a homemade wifi antenna to pickup a public wifi halfway across town, i ran my cable modem router and laptop off of an inverter in my car for 5 days |
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| 03:50.57 | Arrowmaster | i had to jump start the car atleast 3 times i think |
| 03:53.03 | Fisker | slaps Iriel around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:53.11 | Iriel | eyes Fisker. |
| 03:54.09 | Thunder_Child | do you foot him as well? |
| 03:58.35 | Fisker | I WANT TO BORDERLANDS |
| 03:58.43 | Fisker | but i can't because consolesfags are mainstream'd |
| 03:58.47 | Fisker | :( |
| 04:07.03 | Shirik | I want to go to fiskerland |
| 04:08.10 | Fisker | but you can't Shirik |
| 04:08.18 | Fisker | it's not only for windowswinrars |
| 04:08.29 | Fisker | bah |
| 04:08.30 | Fisker | need moar sleep |
| 04:08.37 | Shirik | no winzip? |
| 04:09.05 | Fisker | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:09.07 | Fisker | bah |
| 04:09.16 | Shirik | epic failure |
| 04:09.20 | Shirik | Fisker has trolled himself |
| 04:10.28 | Fisker | LOL! |
| 04:10.34 | Fisker | http://www.kgw.com/video/thesquare-index.html?nvid=400605 |
| 04:10.41 | Fisker | Pedobear is the mascot for pedophelia |
| 04:10.42 | Fisker | i see |
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| 04:13.54 | Fisker | ties up Shirik |
| 04:15.03 | Shirik | wow Fisker |
| 04:15.07 | Shirik | that's hilarious |
| 04:15.13 | Shirik | and... broken |
| 04:15.48 | Fisker | he's totally a mascot for real pedophiles though |
| 04:16.04 | Fisker | it's absolutely not just a bunch of trolls that uses it for a mascot |
| 04:16.08 | Shirik | and 4chan trolls |
| 04:16.16 | Shirik | :P |
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| 04:17.34 | Fisker | the best thing is really having to wait 10 days for a game because some idiots want to milk the console release |
| 04:17.48 | Fisker | and they have the tenacity to make a movie dissing the casual gamer? |
| 04:17.51 | Fisker | tsk tsk |
| 04:18.27 | Amarande | Fisker, I think the word you're looking for is 'temerity', not 'tenacity' |
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| 04:19.15 | Fisker | i just wanted to sound cool Amarande |
| 04:19.16 | Fisker | and it did |
| 04:19.18 | Fisker | so fu |
| 04:20.26 | DWSR2 | ~Fisker++ |
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| 04:32.28 | Fisker | i'm bored Shirik |
| 04:32.59 | Shirik | good |
| 04:33.01 | Shirik | you deserve to be bored |
| 04:33.35 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:33.40 | Fisker | no u :( |
| 04:34.04 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:34.14 | Shirik | I have a 24-hour programming competition coming up |
| 04:34.17 | Shirik | it is going to be epic |
| 04:34.58 | Fisker | i'm gonna program your mom |
| 04:35.01 | Fisker | that's going to be epic |
| 04:37.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: I updated stableboy, it should work properly in wg now. :) |
| 04:42.38 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
| 04:42.56 | DWSR | NHTS: You mean it summons flying when the battle isn't going on? |
| 04:44.13 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 04:44.59 | Jerub | the broom is pretty neat. it's flying in NR and landmount in eastern kingdoms/kalimdor |
| 04:45.16 | Jerub | too bad it takes a slot in my penny pouch, and only works during this world event. |
| 04:47.09 | DWSR | tbh, the broom should be a mount |
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| 04:50.00 | DWSR | Like, a proper mount that goes in your mount section\ |
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| 04:51.20 | DWSR | hey tem |
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| 04:56.54 | tardmrr | DWSR, need something or just saying hi? |
| 04:58.44 | Shirik | hi tem |
| 04:59.48 | DWSR | Just saying hi |
| 05:00.38 | Antiarc | Gearscore is dead, pass the word on >_> |
| 05:00.39 | Antiarc | http://www.wowace.com/addons/experience/ |
| 05:00.42 | Antiarc | (I wish) |
| 05:08.05 | Shirik | how does that even work Antiarc |
| 05:08.12 | Shadowed | generates a random number from 1 - 100 based on health to work out experience |
| 05:08.19 | Antiarc | It pulls your kill stats |
| 05:08.22 | Shadowed | then applies a modifier based on the voodoo number generator |
| 05:08.26 | Antiarc | You set a threshold number |
| 05:08.41 | Antiarc | And when you have the threshold number of kills of all bosses in an instance, you get 100% in that |
| 05:08.55 | Antiarc | So, my image has Adrine at 40% in Malygos 10 |
| 05:08.59 | Antiarc | Because I have 2 kills there |
| 05:09.05 | Antiarc | And my threshold is set at 5 |
| 05:09.08 | Shirik | yeah where does it pull them from? |
| 05:09.17 | Antiarc | You can inspect others' statistics |
| 05:09.26 | Shirik | the statistics show each boss? |
| 05:09.29 | Antiarc | Including kill counts |
| 05:09.29 | Antiarc | Yes |
| 05:09.33 | Shirik | that I didn't know |
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| 05:10.42 | Adys | KDE |
| 05:10.46 | Adys | you just pissed me off |
| 05:10.48 | Adys | real bad |
| 05:11.25 | Shadowed | what did he do |
| 05:11.51 | Adys | some fucked up shit that ended up in an apt-get install ubuntu-desktop |
| 05:12.05 | Shirik | uh |
| 05:12.08 | Shirik | KDE or kd3? |
| 05:12.12 | Adys | kde |
| 05:12.16 | Shirik | KDE is a person? |
| 05:12.18 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:12.41 | Thunder_Child | somewhere i'm sure KDE is a person |
| 05:12.51 | Arrowmaster | Adys: its your own fault for using ubuntu, and also why the hell are you using apt-get instead of aptitude |
| 05:13.15 | Adys | I was using aptitude |
| 05:13.25 | Jerub | nothing wrong with using apt-get these days |
| 05:13.27 | Adys | its just quicker to say apt-get on irc |
| 05:13.29 | Jerub | it's basically got the same feature set. |
| 05:13.36 | Adys | apt-get pisses me off too |
| 05:13.41 | Adys | no way to use --without-recommends on it |
| 05:13.57 | Arrowmaster | except aptitude has a much better dependency resolver |
| 05:14.20 | Arrowmaster | Adys: you can change that in a config file |
| 05:14.33 | Adys | uh no Arrowmaster |
| 05:14.38 | Adys | the dependency resolver is the same |
| 05:14.50 | Adys | aptitude and apt-get are just front ends |
| 05:15.29 | Arrowmaster | no trust me ive recently been in a situation where aptitude and apt-get dependency resolvers gave different results |
| 05:15.41 | Adys | its a matter of default options |
| 05:16.41 | Shirik | it's a matter of apt sucks |
| 05:16.47 | Adys | apt doesnt suck |
| 05:16.48 | Shirik | l2portage |
| 05:17.02 | Adys | I dont know whats wrong with gentoo users |
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| 05:17.34 | Shirik | Cide does |
| 05:17.47 | durcyn | they're awesome and you're jealous, that's what's wrong |
| 05:18.04 | Arrowmaster | i found out that the update notification gnome thingy uses python-apt which uses the apt-get resolver and not the aptitude resolver and ended up with it telling me there was an update available for an entire damn week when the update wasnt available, the new package was only in unstable and im using testing with only a few select packages from unstable |
| 05:18.34 | Adys | thats not a dependency resolver |
| 05:18.40 | Adys | its a matter of defaults as i said |
| 05:18.45 | Shirik | I'll resolve your dependencies |
| 05:18.48 | Cide | Shirik: what? |
| 05:19.03 | Adys | Cide: u l8 |
| 05:19.08 | Arrowmaster | and what defaults exactly? |
| 05:19.09 | Shirik | Cide: Adys said I was awesome |
| 05:19.14 | Shirik | you missed it |
| 05:19.39 | Adys | Arrowmaster: apt-get wont use unstable packages or some shit |
| 05:19.45 | Adys | prefer stable over latest |
| 05:19.56 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:20.04 | Arrowmaster | thats the same between both |
| 05:20.42 | Adys | also jesus |
| 05:20.48 | Adys | weighted jack o lanterns sell really well |
| 05:20.52 | Arrowmaster | i run a mixed debian testing/unstable system, i know about source priorities |
| 05:23.35 | Shirik | You wouldn't have this problem if you had keyword masks |
| 05:24.07 | Arrowmaster | keyword masks? |
| 05:25.46 | Shirik | ~x86 |
| 05:25.47 | purl | hmm... x86 is this frankinsteins monster of a system compaired to arm. |
| 05:25.50 | Shirik | ... |
| 05:26.15 | Shirik | for example, Arrowmaster |
| 05:28.15 | Shirik | gah I have to resync before I can show :( |
| 05:30.57 | Cide | fail |
| 05:31.35 | Shirik | what |
| 05:31.37 | Shirik | apt has to sync too |
| 05:35.50 | Shirik | I must have not done a sync in a while, this is taking forever / |
| 05:35.51 | Shirik | :/ |
| 05:36.33 | Arrowmaster | how is this better than aptitude? |
| 05:37.28 | Shirik | aptitude still has to do a sync afaik |
| 05:37.34 | Shirik | they may call it something different |
| 05:37.54 | Arrowmaster | it downloads updated data |
| 05:38.05 | Shirik | how does it determine when there's an update available? |
| 05:38.14 | Shirik | It retrieves a metadata list of all known packages, right? |
| 05:38.18 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:38.22 | Shirik | that's what I'm doing right now |
| 05:38.47 | Shirik | it's probably possible to sync just one package but I need to do this anyway so |
| 05:39.00 | Arrowmaster | aptitude doesnt take very long to update though |
| 05:39.49 | Shirik | normally this takes just a moment |
| 05:40.17 | Shirik | I have two things against me right now (1) my server is out of memory, and (2) it's been a long time since the last sync (and it uses deltas, so if you keep up to date it wouldn't be nearly this bad) |
| 05:40.38 | Arrowmaster | aptitude uses deltas too |
| 05:40.41 | Shirik | right |
| 05:40.48 | Shirik | all I'm saying is that it shouldn't take this long under normal conditions :) |
| 05:40.53 | Arrowmaster | but i know a trick |
| 05:41.22 | Arrowmaster | if its really out of date just nuke the cache and it will download the large files instead of tons of pdiff's |
| 05:42.06 | Arrowmaster | how much memory does your server have if its running out doing a sync? |
| 05:42.26 | Shirik | 18451 of 120510 packages changed so far |
| 05:42.27 | Shirik | no |
| 05:42.32 | Shirik | it's out of memory because of all the other things |
| 05:42.43 | Shirik | it runs a few different services |
| 05:42.57 | Shirik | the sync is a low priority operation so those services still get priority |
| 05:43.06 | Shirik | (as they should) |
| 05:43.25 | Shirik | I think it's thrashing a lot right now |
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| 05:44.43 | Shirik | lol... sent 455091 bytes received 60086062 bytes 63162.39 bytes/sec |
| 05:44.45 | Shirik | during the sync |
| 05:44.49 | Shirik | that's pretty out of date |
| 05:45.20 | Shirik | that's of total data of 181MB |
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| 05:47.03 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: http://wowi.pastey.net/126835 |
| 05:47.12 | Shirik | That's ~x86 |
| 05:50.18 | Shirik | ~~x86 |
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| 06:02.19 | Shirik | we're already on hurricane rick? wtf |
| 06:02.27 | Shirik | I haven't been watching the hurricane season at all lol |
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| 06:03.15 | Thunder_Child | grats Shirik, for the last 20 min you were the only one talking |
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| 06:10.52 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:11.10 | Shirik | it was because Fisker was gone |
| 06:11.16 | Shirik | now that he has returned, we can make love once again |
| 06:11.25 | Fisker- | no u Shirik |
| 06:11.54 | Fisker- | not until i borderlands |
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| 06:18.56 | Wobin | ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO2rW1alVv8&feature=player_embedded crazylucky |
| 06:20.02 | Fisker- | xD |
| 06:23.00 | Shirik | I actually saw something very similar not too long ago at school |
| 06:23.11 | Shirik | our school is on a major road and some moron almost hit a group of students crossing the road |
| 06:23.16 | Shirik | blew right through a red light |
| 06:23.50 | Jerub | I had fun a few months ago. |
| 06:24.01 | Jerub | student crossed the road after only checking for traffic in the opposite direction. |
| 06:24.13 | Jerub | so i slowed down a little, then did an emergency stop infront of him. |
| 06:24.22 | Jerub | he'll never fail to look both ways in future |
| 06:25.33 | Fisker- | same here Jerub |
| 06:25.37 | Shirik | well |
| 06:25.38 | Shirik | that's one thing |
| 06:25.39 | Fisker- | except i ran over him and killed him |
| 06:25.45 | Fisker- | he'll never forget to look either |
| 06:25.46 | Fisker- | ;3 |
| 06:25.47 | Shirik | it's completely different when there's a walk sign and 3 red lights |
| 06:25.55 | Shirik | granted you should still check |
| 06:25.59 | Shirik | but the driver should also not be a moron |
| 06:26.27 | Shirik | (in the students' defense, the driver also seemed to be going way too fast so he was a decent distance away when they started crossing) |
| 06:28.01 | Jerub | there's a terrible crossing i know of where a) it's congested so people driver slower than the speed limit and b) it's a really wide intersection because trucks turn through it. |
| 06:28.23 | Jerub | so it's actually possible for a car driving through an orange light to hit a pedestrian on a green |
| 06:28.34 | smcn | i got a spam email with the subject "i'mma let you finish but", that's awesome |
| 06:28.38 | Shirik | orange light? |
| 06:28.41 | Shirik | where do you live? |
| 06:29.02 | Jerub | Shirik: brisbane, australia. |
| 06:29.22 | Arrowmaster | how short is the 'orange' light? |
| 06:29.38 | Arrowmaster | i think the yellow lasts for 4 seconds now here |
| 06:30.19 | Jerub | uh, dunno. 2? 3? seconds? |
| 06:30.22 | Shirik | are you in the US Arrowmaster? |
| 06:30.25 | Jerub | depends on the intersection. |
| 06:30.35 | Arrowmaster | ohio |
| 06:30.45 | Shirik | I thought it was supposed to be 3 seconds |
| 06:30.52 | Shirik | you know what's fun though, something I recently learned |
| 06:30.54 | Arrowmaster | maybe it was 4 but now its 3 |
| 06:31.06 | Shirik | those white lines that separate lanes before the intersection |
| 06:31.08 | Shirik | the solid ones |
| 06:31.21 | Arrowmaster | i know it changed maybe a year or two ago max |
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| 06:31.30 | Shirik | they are the exact distance of (yellow light time) * (speed limit) |
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| 06:32.02 | Arrowmaster | but when the hell do i ever drive the speed limit |
| 06:32.08 | Shirik | just saying :P |
| 06:32.37 | Arrowmaster | that reminds me i think this easter my license is finally clear |
| 06:32.58 | Shirik | clear? |
| 06:33.03 | Arrowmaster | no more points |
| 06:33.17 | Jerub | I've had 1 1 point offence in the last 7 years. |
| 06:33.35 | Shirik | Do you have "good points" in your state? |
| 06:33.38 | Jerub | and it's been 8 years since i lost my license. |
| 06:33.38 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:33.45 | Jerub | ;) |
| 06:33.50 | Shirik | in VA we have good and bad points, you can go to 5 in either direction |
| 06:34.04 | Arrowmaster | i was at 6 points for atleast a year |
| 06:34.07 | Shirik | every year you don't get a ticket, you get 1 good point (which cancels out one bad point if you're in that direction) |
| 06:34.14 | Arrowmaster | any more and my license would have been suspended |
| 06:34.17 | Shirik | funny thing is |
| 06:34.17 | Jerub | in qld we have 12 points, and offenses are worth 1 3 or 6. |
| 06:34.21 | Shirik | I've been in FL for the last 5 years |
| 06:34.28 | Shirik | and they don't give a damn about traffic laws :P |
| 06:34.32 | Shirik | So, I should have 5 good points now |
| 06:34.42 | Shirik | so fun to cheat the system :D |
| 06:34.52 | Shirik | (my license is still a VA license) |
| 06:35.10 | Arrowmaster | you wouldnt get points for getting a ticket in FL anyway |
| 06:35.26 | Shirik | I don't have to worry about that :P |
| 06:35.57 | Arrowmaster | here it goes to 12 points i think, but any higher than 6 and your license is suspended |
| 06:36.16 | Arrowmaster | ive gotten multiple 2 point tickets for going 20 mph over |
| 06:36.25 | Arrowmaster | and one 4 point ticket for going 30 mph over |
| 06:36.49 | Fisker- | you get points for breaking the speed limit? |
| 06:36.50 | Fisker- | cool |
| 06:36.55 | Fisker- | how many points for manslaughter? |
| 06:37.08 | Jerub | Fisker-: vehiclar or traditional? |
| 06:37.14 | Fisker- | vehicular of course |
| 06:37.34 | Arrowmaster | no idea, i just know how many points my own tickets have been |
| 06:38.47 | Arrowmaster | i did manage to only get my license suspended for 28 days while i was a minor though, and i was still allowed to drive to school while a friend got his suspended for 1 month without being able to drive to school for the same exact thing |
| 06:39.09 | Shirik | my brother got his license suspended for a year and a half right after he got his license |
| 06:39.32 | Shirik | he got 4 tickets in like 3 months (12 bad points in a year == suspension) |
| 06:39.47 | Shirik | so it was suspended until he was 18 |
| 06:39.59 | Shirik | that was totally his fault |
| 06:40.02 | Shirik | he deserved it |
| 06:40.06 | Shirik | and I wanted his car |
| 06:40.22 | Fisker- | that's not nice Shirik |
| 06:40.49 | Bruners | there should be 12 points that count for your whole life, break those 12 and you can't drive ever again |
| 06:40.57 | Arrowmaster | fuck no |
| 06:41.20 | Arrowmaster | id be at 10 or 12 already then |
| 06:41.45 | batrick | Does WoW keep a strong reference to each AddOn table for 3.3? |
| 06:41.56 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 06:41.57 | Bruners | i have never got a single ticket |
| 06:42.10 | Arrowmaster | Bruners: drive a faster car then |
| 06:42.54 | Bruners | or just follow the speed limits? |
| 06:43.11 | Arrowmaster | and ditch the automatic |
| 06:43.20 | Bruners | automatic ? |
| 06:43.27 | Fisker- | l2drive Bruners |
| 06:43.56 | Arrowmaster | automatic transmission |
| 06:44.23 | Bruners | wont ever buy a car with automatic transmission |
| 06:44.38 | krka | i'm not sure people like Arrowmaster should have a license O_o |
| 06:45.02 | Fisker- | people like Bruners shouldn't :3 |
| 06:45.05 | Arrowmaster | krka: ive done 125mph in a 65mph, go cower in a closet |
| 06:45.23 | Bruners | i can get my car up to 180km/h, thats on the speedometer on the car not the real speed |
| 06:45.37 | Jerub | I can get my car to 999k/mh |
| 06:45.44 | Jerub | digital speedo you see |
| 06:45.48 | Fisker- | kilo per mileshours? |
| 06:46.06 | Jerub | km/h |
| 06:46.30 | Bruners | well it goes up to 230 km/h |
| 06:46.40 | Fisker- | mine goes to 11 |
| 06:46.42 | Bruners | obviously i can reach that |
| 06:46.58 | krka | impressive, being able to accelerate a car |
| 06:49.07 | Fisker- | gives krka a bowl of bean soup |
| 06:49.16 | Fisker- | MAINSTREAM'D |
| 06:49.54 | Bruners | Fisker-: do you even have a car ? :) |
| 06:49.55 | Cide | batrick: I was under the impression that it was a weak reference but I may be wrong |
| 06:50.15 | Fisker- | nope Bruners |
| 06:51.34 | Bruners | cars are known to be expensive in fiskerland |
| 06:51.38 | batrick | Cide: I imagine it has to be a strong reference at least between loading each AddOn File. I'm just curious about afterwards. |
| 06:51.59 | Fisker- | indeed Bruners |
| 06:51.59 | Fisker- | and i don't need one at the moment anyways |
| 06:52.10 | Cide | afterwards I *think* the game's own reference is thrown away but I haven't confirmed my suspicions |
| 06:52.27 | Cide | so keep it around or lose it |
| 06:52.45 | Cide | doesn't really matter in any case |
| 06:52.52 | Cide | if you can't reference it you don't know :) |
| 06:53.36 | Arrowmaster | you could stick it in a weak table and find out |
| 06:53.45 | tem | So, I'd really like to hook my xbox up to two tvs |
| 06:53.50 | tem | how feasable is this? |
| 06:53.55 | Arrowmaster | two? |
| 06:54.01 | Arrowmaster | like same image on both? |
| 06:54.03 | tem | yes |
| 06:54.13 | tem | (they're in different rooms) |
| 06:54.23 | Arrowmaster | at the same time? |
| 06:54.24 | Fisker- | unpossible |
| 06:54.42 | Cide | "same time" is a meaningless concept! |
| 06:54.44 | tem | the rooms share a wall with a hole for cables in it |
| 06:55.00 | Thunder_Child | cable splitter |
| 06:55.01 | Fisker- | get a splitter cable dure |
| 06:55.02 | Fisker- | dur |
| 06:55.03 | Fisker- | durr |
| 06:55.04 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt be hard |
| 06:55.11 | tem | yeah but I'm like hardware retarded |
| 06:55.13 | Arrowmaster | unless maybe your using hdmi |
| 06:55.17 | Thunder_Child | like? |
| 06:55.22 | Fisker- | even hdmi splitters Arrowmaster |
| 06:55.22 | tem | no I ahve crappy TVs |
| 06:55.57 | Arrowmaster | i use a vga cable with my xbox |
| 06:56.22 | tem | I have the VGA connector for when I play games that I need to be able to read the text on the screen |
| 06:56.25 | Arrowmaster | i once connected it to my 2nd monitor and played burnout paradise during a BT raid |
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| 06:56.52 | tem | (and I move my monitor to the end of my couch because playing xbox at my dest just feels wrong) |
| 06:56.57 | Fisker- | rage Arrowmaster |
| 06:56.59 | Arrowmaster | 2nd monitor is shit though and i couldnt see much |
| 06:57.06 | Fisker- | you're no better than Bruners ! |
| 06:57.24 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 06:57.29 | Shirik | tem: It's easily done |
| 06:57.33 | Shirik | There are wireless transmitters for this type of thing |
| 06:57.41 | Shirik | my grandfather set up something similar like 8 years ago |
| 06:57.42 | tem | there are what now? |
| 06:57.47 | tem | that sounds expensive |
| 06:57.50 | tem | very expensive |
| 06:57.54 | Shirik | Unlikely if it was available years ago |
| 06:58.37 | Arrowmaster | just go get some rca cable splitters |
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| 06:59.08 | Shirik | Just a simple search: http://www.amazon.com/Lorex-VS-6428-4-channel-Wireless-Sender/dp/B00076QD26/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1256021928&sr=8-3 |
| 06:59.11 | Shirik | Surely there are more |
| 07:07.15 | Fisker- | naw |
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| 07:13.39 | Fisker- | don't naw me bro |
| 07:16.16 | Fisker- | i'm sorry Iriel :( |
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| 07:22.16 | Arrowmaster | cant |
| 07:22.18 | Arrowmaster | stop |
| 07:22.20 | Arrowmaster | laughing |
| 07:24.39 | Fisker- | i'm so tired |
| 07:25.33 | Fisker- | lol |
| 07:26.07 | Fisker- | This soccer player had his leg amputated and the news said "He'll never play professional soccer again" |
| 07:26.13 | Fisker- | i'm sure he can play soccer with one leg |
| 07:26.14 | Fisker- | durr |
| 07:28.12 | Cide | yes |
| 07:28.16 | Cide | just not professionally |
| 07:29.14 | Fisker- | no Cide |
| 07:29.54 | Shirik | oop |
| 07:29.58 | Shirik | found something Aion has over WoW |
| 07:29.59 | Fisker- | woop? |
| 07:30.03 | Shirik | I can type Japanese into it |
| 07:30.07 | Fisker- | fail |
| 07:30.13 | Shirik | WoW just converts it into a bunch of ????????/ |
| 07:30.16 | Fisker- | why must Aion be so fail? |
| 07:31.24 | Jerub | that's what i want. python using japanese smileyfaces in their toon names. |
| 07:31.32 | Cide | question marks are superior to japanese |
| 07:31.41 | Jerub | it's stupid enough when poeple have untypable characters at the start of their toon name. |
| 07:31.46 | Cide | python code supports unicode. |
| 07:31.56 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: thats only because you arent using a font in wow with those glyphs |
| 07:32.01 | Cide | you can even have variable names with unicode characters |
| 07:32.39 | smcn | what is the raid dps paladin seal now? |
| 07:32.49 | Cide | wisdom. |
| 07:32.59 | Jerub | and drums kings |
| 07:33.46 | Fisker- | fu Cide |
| 07:34.19 | Jerub | I hate python programmers who get all arty farty and use unicode in their source files. |
| 07:34.22 | Jerub | fucking shits me off. |
| 07:34.35 | Cide | you're just bad |
| 07:36.40 | Cide | I do stuff like λ= lambda a: map(a, range(10**6)) all the time |
| 07:37.18 | Jerub | stabs. |
| 07:37.42 | Fisker- | stabs |
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| 07:40.31 | Fisker- | stabs |
| 07:41.14 | Cide | stabs |
| 07:42.33 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I'm pretty sure it gets transmitted as ?s |
| 07:42.53 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt |
| 07:42.53 | Shirik | because it shows up in the client originally as the right characters |
| 07:42.53 | Shirik | and then it just asplodes |
| 07:43.19 | Arrowmaster | oh that might be IME fucking up |
| 07:43.28 | Arrowmaster | but no IME should work fine |
| 07:43.46 | Cide | lua needs to learn from python in this regard. |
| 07:43.54 | Shirik | learn what? |
| 07:44.01 | Cide | <Cide> you can even have variable names with unicode characters |
| 07:44.05 | Fisker- | kisses Cide |
| 07:44.14 | Arrowmaster | go pull Arial Unicode MS from your windows fonts dir and put it in WoW/Fonts as ARIALN.ttf |
| 07:44.25 | Shirik | you can |
| 07:44.41 | Arrowmaster | it should work fine if you do that |
| 07:44.42 | Shirik | _G["æ¥æ¬èª"] = true; |
| 07:45.05 | Cide | and then you have to access it through _G all the time |
| 07:45.11 | batrick | why the hell would you want to do that to yourself |
| 07:45.13 | Arrowmaster | doesnt it half to start with an ascii character? |
| 07:45.14 | Shirik | well you can adjust the legal names in Lua :P |
| 07:45.24 | Arrowmaster | have |
| 07:45.26 | Arrowmaster | i cant type |
| 07:45.30 | Adys | I just switched to pulse audio output on vlc, now Im watching a movie and the music track is a lot louder than the speech track |
| 07:45.33 | Adys | anyone has any idea? |
| 07:45.38 | Cide | Arrowmaster: not in python |
| 07:45.39 | batrick | it has to start with a alphabetic character which is defined by the system |
| 07:45.40 | Adys | (reverting to alsa/default output doesnt change anything) |
| 07:45.47 | Cide | maybe w |
| 07:45.50 | Cide | brb |
| 07:45.56 | Arrowmaster | Adys: thats common with AC3/AAC sound |
| 07:46.02 | Shirik | batrick |
| 07:46.05 | Shirik | I was trying to make that change |
| 07:46.11 | Adys | Arrowmaster: go on? |
| 07:46.12 | Shirik | the changes to the parser are less than trivial... |
| 07:46.25 | batrick | what was it again? |
| 07:46.30 | batrick | ...[n]? |
| 07:46.35 | Shirik | the parser immediately throws down the VARARG opcode upon encountering TK_DOTS |
| 07:46.43 | Arrowmaster | Adys: thats how the sound is, its ment for high end systems, like very high end that are ment to be played loud |
| 07:46.51 | Shirik | I have no chance to look to see if it is immediately followed by a [ |
| 07:47.08 | Adys | Arrowmaster: no, i was watching one video, speech and music tracks were on the same level |
| 07:47.15 | Adys | now the speech track is a LOT quieter than the music track |
| 07:47.16 | Arrowmaster | Adys: i just use mplayer with a -af pan:... set to make the center channel louder |
| 07:47.49 | batrick | Shirik: that doesn't make it any more difficult in my opinion |
| 07:47.50 | Arrowmaster | Adys: look for a dynamic compression option |
| 07:48.05 | batrick | You need to change the parser there as well |
| 07:48.16 | batrick | you just have to add a check to see if the next token or char is a '[' |
| 07:48.21 | batrick | i don't remember what that token is |
| 07:48.25 | Shirik | but I don't even have access to that yet |
| 07:48.26 | Shirik | do I? |
| 07:48.29 | batrick | you do |
| 07:48.30 | Shirik | I have to wait for the next token |
| 07:48.33 | Shirik | oh |
| 07:48.42 | Shirik | I guess I didn't look closely enough |
| 07:49.00 | Shirik | I tried adding TK_DOTS to prefixexp but it never even got there |
| 07:49.01 | Adys | Arrowmaster: I dont see anything like that |
| 07:49.09 | Shirik | because it got handled by simpleexp |
| 07:49.47 | Arrowmaster | Adys: what was the previous video you were watching? did it have AC3 or AAC audio? |
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| 07:49.51 | batrick | ya sorry I didn't look at everything :P |
| 07:50.11 | Adys | Arrowmaster: no idea |
| 07:50.20 | Shirik | yeah it's cool |
| 07:50.26 | Shirik | at least now I have a little more info about how to go about it |
| 07:50.29 | Shirik | I didn't realize I could look ahead |
| 07:50.32 | Adys | also why's it detecting 4 channels? |
| 07:50.39 | Adys | it should only detect 2 |
| 07:50.52 | batrick | This is actually one of those times where you can use a switch statement in a really cool way by not breaking out of your case |
| 07:51.01 | batrick | put TK_DOTS above the default, which is to check for a primaryexp |
| 07:51.16 | batrick | if it is ... without the [n] then you break, otherwise fall through |
| 07:51.37 | batrick | although technically that isn't _really_ necessary, just looks nice :) |
| 07:51.37 | Shirik | mm |
| 07:52.33 | Arrowmaster | Adys: huh? are you trying to play a 5.1 or higher channel audio track over 2 channel speakers? |
| 07:52.51 | Adys | no, vlc is detecting 4 channels on every vid now |
| 07:53.05 | Arrowmaster | vlc is fucking stupid |
| 07:53.09 | Adys | is not |
| 07:53.13 | Arrowmaster | is too |
| 07:53.22 | Adys | isn't, but thats beside the point |
| 07:53.45 | Adys | output is a usb headphone |
| 07:53.47 | Arrowmaster | it has a very long history of being broken in completely retarded ways |
| 07:53.50 | Adys | every app is fine, but |
| 07:53.57 | Adys | vlc detects 4 channels |
| 07:54.23 | Arrowmaster | are you sure thats not the output channels? |
| 07:54.23 | Adys | and I think whats happening here is most of the audio I lost is dying in an empty channel |
| 07:54.30 | Adys | mmh |
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| 07:56.49 | batrick | Shirik: you need luaX_lookahead |
| 07:57.01 | batrick | for the TK_DOTS check in simpleexp |
| 07:57.12 | batrick | then you should be done |
| 07:57.40 | Shirik | <3 |
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| 07:58.36 | Fisker- | fu u |
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| 08:06.47 | Fisker- | lol! |
| 08:07.17 | Shirik | no fu u |
| 08:07.29 | Fisker- | http://torrentfreak.com/leading-uk-cinema-implements-mpaa-laptop-ban-091016/ <-Reminds me of the xkcd yesterday http://xkcd.com/ |
| 08:08.14 | Adys | Arrowmaster: I was right |
| 08:08.22 | Adys | it seems some random shit is dying in every channel |
| 08:10.06 | Adys | Arrowmaster: and mplayer doesnt even have sound :P |
| 08:10.23 | Arrowmaster | you are using shitbuntu |
| 08:10.30 | Arrowmaster | its mplayer is like 5 years old |
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| 08:10.45 | Adys | how do you fullscreen with mplayer? |
| 08:10.50 | batrick | Shirik: for a laugh: http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid/10690-tao-hero.html#post66846 |
| 08:11.33 | Arrowmaster | i dont know i use smplayer |
| 08:11.33 | Adys | ah -fs |
| 08:11.34 | Shirik | for the record |
| 08:11.39 | Shirik | shorting a battery should not cause an explosion |
| 08:11.45 | Shirik | at least not without taking it apart |
| 08:11.51 | Arrowmaster | unless its a sony |
| 08:11.56 | Shirik | there are both current limits and a protective clamp |
| 08:11.59 | Shirik | (or at least are supposed to be) |
| 08:12.00 | Arrowmaster | it was sony right? |
| 08:12.04 | Shirik | Batteries are not capacitors |
| 08:12.07 | Adys | yeha mplayer is awful |
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| 08:12.42 | Fisker- | Chompers |
| 08:12.43 | Fisker- | fu |
| 08:15.09 | Cide | clearly passengers should be disallowed because of rest mass energy |
| 08:19.43 | Shirik | E=MC^2 |
| 08:20.55 | Adys | gonna reinstall kubuntu asap i think =/ |
| 08:21.12 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 08:21.21 | purl | ~pong |
| 08:22.18 | Fisker- | ~ping |
| 08:22.19 | purl | ~pong |
| 08:25.39 | Shirik | while kubuntu is win because it is kde |
| 08:25.45 | Shirik | it is not win because it is not gentoo |
| 08:26.05 | Shirik | you should research more gentooified options |
| 08:26.38 | Adys | why? |
| 08:26.46 | Adys | tell me, what's better about gentoo? |
| 08:26.53 | Fisker- | kde isn't really win though Shirik |
| 08:26.55 | Adys | I'd be glad to install it but not blindly |
| 08:27.00 | Corrodias | it sounds like "gentle" |
| 08:27.03 | Shirik | it's gentoo |
| 08:27.08 | Corrodias | if you are bad at speaking |
| 08:27.22 | Adys | no shirik |
| 08:27.25 | Adys | it doesnt work that way |
| 08:27.26 | Fisker- | it sounds like ooh exploitable |
| 08:27.31 | Corrodias | iss vewwy gentoo on da eyes |
| 08:27.54 | Adys | you give me extreme advantages that would compensate the much longer install and all the troubles |
| 08:28.05 | Adys | and i take it under consideration |
| 08:28.37 | Shirik | it just gives me a better feeling of control, really |
| 08:28.39 | Shirik | it's hard to describe |
| 08:28.49 | Shirik | ubuntu seems like it wants to do everything by itself, at least initially |
| 08:29.08 | Adys | see |
| 08:29.30 | Adys | a plane gives you much better control over the vehicle than a random civilian car can |
| 08:29.36 | Shirik | yup |
| 08:29.37 | Adys | does that mean its "better"? |
| 08:29.43 | Shirik | it does if you want that control |
| 08:29.46 | Adys | does that mean its recommended for everyone? |
| 08:29.47 | Kalroth | [10:28] <Shirik> it just gives me a better feeling of control, really <- sounds like a sentence from a TV ad on lube |
| 08:29.58 | Adys | ~kalroth++ |
| 08:30.22 | Kalroth | I'd buy a bottle for you, Adys! |
| 08:30.24 | Fisker- | i could've said something funnier |
| 08:30.26 | Fisker- | :( |
| 08:31.35 | Kalroth | Fisker-: I prefer to keep it lame, offtopic, homosexual, dumb .. wait, it can be said easier: I prefer to keep it French! |
| 08:31.53 | Kalroth | (Good thing Beeb doesn't read this channel) |
| 08:34.40 | Fisker- | gives Kalroth a bowl of soup |
| 08:36.13 | batrick | wonders how Shirik did not take the rant bait I laid out so well. |
| 08:36.23 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:36.28 | batrick | zzzz |
| 08:36.39 | Shirik | must have missed it |
| 08:36.50 | batrick | scroll up! |
| 08:37.40 | Shirik | I don't have a curve :) |
| 08:37.46 | batrick | i can't decide if burning determinism is worth getting |
| 08:37.53 | batrick | determination* |
| 08:37.59 | batrick | Shirik: a curve? |
| 08:38.00 | Fisker- | hey batrick |
| 08:38.04 | batrick | hey Fisker- |
| 08:38.05 | Fisker- | you are the cancer that's killing me |
| 08:38.06 | Shirik | what rant bait are you talking about |
| 08:38.09 | Fisker- | ~kiss Fisker- |
| 08:38.09 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker- to give Droolio a big kiss on the neck |
| 08:38.12 | batrick | Fisker-: then I will drink to that |
| 08:38.26 | Fisker- | i will rage |
| 08:38.40 | batrick | and I will unsober |
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| 08:40.13 | Fisker- | 2 days Shirik |
| 08:42.03 | Fisker- | 2 days batrick |
| 08:42.14 | batrick | fuk do u want |
| 08:42.36 | Fisker- | nothing |
| 08:42.39 | Fisker- | just telling you |
| 08:42.44 | Fisker- | 2 days batrick |
| 08:43.28 | Fisker- | you understand me batrick, right? |
| 08:43.39 | Zyn | 2 butts |
| 08:43.48 | batrick | I understand you have nothing of value -- ever -- to add to any conversation. |
| 08:44.28 | Kalroth | Harsh. |
| 08:44.36 | batrick | the truth often is |
| 08:44.42 | olafski | possibly the truth |
| 08:44.48 | Fisker- | then you shouldn't have used "--- ever ---" |
| 08:44.54 | Fisker- | you hurted my efeelings |
| 08:52.54 | Fisker- | what about you Kalroth |
| 08:52.56 | Fisker- | 2 days? |
| 08:53.20 | Kalroth | I doubt it |
| 08:53.54 | Fisker- | i disagree |
| 08:54.06 | Fisker- | But atleast you're not an eJerk :( |
| 08:54.48 | batrick | continually pinging someone for no reason? |
| 08:55.42 | Fisker- | Naw you didn't do that batrick |
| 08:57.54 | batrick | I guess I'm not a jerk then |
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| 09:12.58 | Bruners | Arrowmaster: do you really just get a ticket for driving in 125mph in a 65 zone ? |
| 09:13.14 | Arrowmaster | no i never got caught |
| 09:13.45 | Arrowmaster | anything above 95 in a 65 is arrest and impound car |
| 09:14.42 | Bruners | i just realised how fast 125mph is btw :P |
| 09:15.03 | Arrowmaster | friend in highschool got caught doing 110 or so in a 65 but the cop only put 94 or 95 so he wouldnt lose his license |
| 09:16.00 | Bruners | but you start driving at 16 ? |
| 09:16.05 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 09:16.18 | Bruners | with no limits? |
| 09:16.22 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 09:17.03 | Arrowmaster | its technically a probationary license until you are 18, you really arent suppost to drive anywhere for pleasure, just school work store etc |
| 09:17.11 | Arrowmaster | but nobody follows that |
| 09:17.16 | Bruners | obviously |
| 09:17.31 | Arrowmaster | also i think you arent supposed to drive at night |
| 09:18.24 | Bruners | dont think i would want 16 year olds on the roads here in a car to be honest |
| 09:18.28 | Arrowmaster | but well nobody follows that either since i almost got arrested at 3am when an off duty cop (in a fucking pickup truck) tried to follow me and i tried to evade |
| 09:19.04 | Bruners | stupid rules are there to be broken |
| 09:19.12 | olafski | me neither bruners :P |
| 09:19.17 | olafski | in fact I'd say it might be better to up it to 21 |
| 09:19.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah that cop was a fucking idiot too |
| 09:19.39 | Bruners | they are bad enough with their trimmed mopeds |
| 09:19.39 | olafski | why would he be following you oO |
| 09:20.22 | Arrowmaster | we were stoped at a light on a 4 lane divided highway and i was in the left turn lane and he was in the right lane, i turned and he followed me from the right lane so i floored it |
| 09:20.44 | Arrowmaster | and the fucker called the local cops after he followed me to my home |
| 09:21.02 | Bruners | why did he follow you really ? |
| 09:21.13 | olafski | I'm not sure I understand.. you floored it cause you were afraid of a man in a pickup? or was there another reason |
| 09:21.26 | Arrowmaster | because i pulled onto the road from an intersection that theres a bar at |
| 09:21.40 | Bruners | arent all americans driving pickups :P |
| 09:21.41 | Arrowmaster | and he thought i was some drunk coming from the bar |
| 09:21.47 | olafski | mkay |
| 09:21.53 | olafski | pretty much bruners :P |
| 09:22.00 | olafski | <-- dutch |
| 09:22.28 | olafski | the one time I was in the US we were driving a volvo XC70, which is a pretty big car here but we could never find it in the parking when we went somewhere and came out :P |
| 09:22.28 | Bruners | i dont get it, you can drive at 16 but you cant drink alcohol until you are 21 ? |
| 09:22.37 | Arrowmaster | and i kinda pulled out from the intersection and then passed him and stoped at the light, i was definitely speeding when i passed him |
| 09:23.11 | Arrowmaster | drive at 16, vote and smoke at 18, drink at 21 |
| 09:23.27 | olafski | I'm not sure which system I would prefer tbh |
| 09:23.40 | Bruners | 18 for everything |
| 09:23.44 | olafski | I bet some US kids at 21 think "oh but I'm a really good driver already so I can drink & drive" |
| 09:23.59 | olafski | on the other hand they could also think it the other way around if they are allowed to drink first |
| 09:24.04 | Kalroth | drink at 16, drive at 18, vote at 21 |
| 09:24.24 | Arrowmaster | i dont live in a big metro area so here you either drive or you dont go anywhere |
| 09:24.38 | olafski | I think we have drink (light) at 16, drink (heavy) and drive and vote at 18 |
| 09:24.41 | Bruners | skip drinking and allow cannabis instead |
| 09:25.07 | Bruners | in Fiskerland you can drink beer at 16 |
| 09:25.31 | Arrowmaster | there is one exception to the 21 drinking age, if you are in the military you can drink at 18 on base i think, or maybe thats only during wartime or something |
| 09:25.33 | Fisker- | uh no |
| 09:25.40 | Fisker- | in fiskerland there is no age limit |
| 09:25.51 | Kalroth | The problem with driving at 16 is that you got drivers with zero experience and the attention span of a 6 month old puppy. |
| 09:26.13 | olafski | yeah we can drink beer at 16 too bruners.. beer and wine I think, basically anything which is sold in a supermarket (which only sells up to 15% here) |
| 09:26.16 | Arrowmaster | the people over 30 are just as bad |
| 09:26.17 | olafski | then at 18 we can drink anything |
| 09:26.40 | Cide | up to 15%? |
| 09:26.51 | olafski | yes |
| 09:26.54 | Cide | why bother restricting it if you can get stuff with 15% |
| 09:27.03 | olafski | dunno |
| 09:27.04 | Bruners | we got 18 for beer, vine and vodka up to ~20% |
| 09:27.08 | olafski | it's not like beer can't get you very drunk |
| 09:27.11 | Bruners | then 20 for the rest |
| 09:27.35 | olafski | I can get just as drunk from beer as I can from wodka.. in theory wodka can get you there quicker though I guess |
| 09:27.48 | Bruners | you can get much more wasted on 60% |
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| 09:28.05 | olafski | really? I better not try |
| 09:28.06 | Bruners | or even 96% |
| 09:28.08 | olafski | I prefer beer anyway |
| 09:28.19 | olafski | and even when i drink beer it's like 5 beers a night tops |
| 09:28.36 | Cide | Bruners: not really |
| 09:28.50 | Cide | the limit is clearly death by alcohol poisoning |
| 09:29.01 | Cide | which you can reach with 15% stuff too |
| 09:29.47 | Bruners | Cide: well yes, but in terms of actually consuming enough beer to do that.... |
| 09:29.59 | Cide | beer isn't 15% |
| 09:30.21 | Fisker- | i've seen it done before btw |
| 09:30.39 | Bruners | i have had alcohol poisoning |
| 09:30.42 | olafski | there's some 13% beer here I think |
| 09:30.57 | Bruners | got sent to the hospital for pumping at 15 |
| 09:31.05 | olafski | fun |
| 09:31.14 | Bruners | yeah, im super proud of it :P |
| 09:31.24 | olafski | aren't you? |
| 09:31.28 | olafski | you could have not mentioned it ;) |
| 09:32.08 | Fisker- | i remember this really funny party |
| 09:32.11 | Fisker- | it was in the forest |
| 09:32.19 | Fisker- | so we were sitting on cut down tree logs |
| 09:32.38 | Fisker- | so i go up to get another beer and i trip in a beer bottle and hit my head on the log and pass out for a few minutes :P |
| 09:33.01 | Bruners | olafski: well its 10 years ago, have almost forgotten about it |
| 09:34.51 | Bruners | Fisker-: did it hurt much ? |
| 09:35.07 | Bruners | cant say i have ever passed out due to fall dammage |
| 09:35.44 | Fisker- | can't really remember it hurting :P |
| 09:35.57 | Fisker- | It was fine after i got up again |
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| 09:40.55 | ristaloff | How can I call this command: /dbm timer 60 Recast sheep |
| 09:41.11 | ristaloff | from inside a lua block |
| 09:43.28 | Fisker- | by learning basic programming? |
| 09:45.16 | ristaloff | So you dont know either? |
| 09:45.40 | Fisker- | If i could be bothered finding the source |
| 09:46.33 | Bruners | ristaloff: find the function that is called with /dbm timer and do it |
| 09:46.49 | ristaloff | Tried to search for info about the DBM module, but was only a few functions there |
| 09:46.59 | Bruners | open the source and look |
| 09:47.10 | ristaloff | ok will try that thanks |
| 09:47.21 | olafski | I would probably start by looking for the word 'timer' :) |
| 09:47.29 | olafski | it has to exist in the source at least once |
| 09:47.38 | Bruners | most likely you will find it in the slashhandler function |
| 09:47.43 | olafski | indeed |
| 09:48.17 | Bruners | ristaloff: what are you trying to do really? |
| 09:48.35 | olafski | hmm took about 20 seconds to find the usage :< |
| 09:48.46 | Bruners | it sounds like something you can do with a macro |
| 09:49.04 | olafski | yeah |
| 09:49.14 | olafski | and if it's in an addon you probably shouldn't be calling DBM methods |
| 09:51.04 | ristaloff | I'm just trying to learn how to work with lua scripts and wow macros |
| 09:52.18 | Kalroth | ristaloff: DBM:CreatePizzaTimer(60, "Recast Sheep"); |
| 09:52.33 | olafski | spoonfeeder :P |
| 09:53.10 | ristaloff | hehe, sounds like my teacher, dont tell him anything |
| 09:53.27 | ristaloff | thanks |
| 09:53.34 | olafski | well how will you learn if people tell you the solution :P |
| 09:53.37 | Bruners | i would have told you if i knew the function |
| 09:53.57 | Kalroth | look in DBM-Core.lua, search for "slash" and you can see what it calls from /dbm timer 60 "text here" |
| 09:58.31 | Bruners | btw |
| 09:58.38 | Bruners | the life without bossmods is great |
| 10:01.05 | Fisker- | heh owned |
| 10:01.40 | Fisker- | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/10/developers-speak-on-valve-steam-conflict-of-interest.ars <- Fitterer believes it may have something to do with drumming up some controversy with the impending release of Borderlands. Which, by the way, is receiving a very nice promotion on Steam right now. |
| 10:03.27 | olafski | nice to put steam in the same line as xbla and wiiware :D |
| 10:04.25 | Corrodias | i'm glad it has matured into the solid delivery platform it is |
| 10:06.45 | Bruners | nothing sucks more than entering AV with all towers down |
| 10:07.24 | olafski | someone in another channel said earlier that nothing sucks more than being in a raiding guild and not raiding |
| 10:07.27 | olafski | I wonder who is right! |
| 10:08.37 | Fisker- | Nothing sucks more than having a google wave account and no friends to wave with :( |
| 10:09.59 | Bruners | olafski: i would think being a raider and not being in a guild sucks more |
| 10:12.44 | olafski | :) |
| 10:13.08 | olafski | I'm loving my ~5 people guild |
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| 10:13.24 | olafski | I was calling it a casual guild but one of my guildies said a professional 5-man guild sounds better |
| 10:13.56 | Bruners | wiht only 5 people, why not just be in a group at all times? :P |
| 10:14.03 | olafski | :) |
| 10:14.13 | olafski | might want to be able to group with other people |
| 10:14.23 | olafski | and this way I don't have to put all the alts on my friend list |
| 10:14.36 | olafski | it's just the remains of a raiding guild after the summer raiding break :P |
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| 10:21.06 | Fisker- | harr harr |
| 10:21.09 | Fisker- | i'm a jackass |
| 10:21.15 | Fisker- | Guild put in youtube integration on the forums |
| 10:21.27 | Fisker- | it also parses &autoplay hoho |
| 10:21.29 | Fisker- | hoohohoh |
| 10:21.54 | Fisker- | rickrolls moar |
| 10:22.34 | Bruners | thats why you have flashblock, noscript and tubestop installed |
| 10:23.36 | Bruners | auto play is a huge pain |
| 10:23.40 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 10:23.58 | olafski | never really found a reason to use such addons :< |
| 10:24.43 | Bruners | try starting your browser with 5-6 youtubes, redtubes and other flash shits open |
| 10:24.59 | olafski | give me a reason why I would do that ;p |
| 10:25.35 | Bruners | then its not an issue for you |
| 10:25.42 | olafski | indeed :> |
| 10:25.50 | olafski | I don't generally leave youtube tabs open when I close my browser |
| 10:26.07 | olafski | I have tabs for the addons I made so I can keep track of them and then random shit I was reading before I went to bed ;) |
| 10:26.08 | Bruners | i rarely close any of the tabs i have open |
| 10:27.53 | Bruners | anyone tested firefox 3.7a1pre ? |
| 10:29.14 | olafski | won't that clutter your browser up? |
| 10:29.19 | olafski | I can hardly find the stuff I need with 20 tabs open |
| 10:29.45 | Bruners | treestyletabs |
| 10:29.52 | olafski | generally while playing wow I use wowhead about once every 15 minutes I think, and I never close those tabs until I go to bed at night at which point I generally close all wowhead tabs before I close firefox, so they don't open up the next morning |
| 10:29.59 | olafski | what be that :o |
| 10:30.09 | Fisker- | firesux :( |
| 10:30.12 | olafski | googled, nm :) |
| 10:30.33 | Bruners | http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/firefox.jpg |
| 10:30.34 | olafski | that looks great bruners |
| 10:30.55 | olafski | especially as they're on the side instead of at the top :) |
| 10:31.15 | olafski | installed +) |
| 10:31.51 | Fisker- | you should feel bad Bruners |
| 10:32.21 | Bruners | why is this |
| 10:33.34 | Fisker- | because of firefox |
| 10:33.40 | Kalroth | 4chan, mybrute and torrent news |
| 10:34.29 | Kalroth | and your master is ckk :( |
| 10:34.50 | Bruners | so none of you noticed my tab on wowmatrix ? |
| 10:35.04 | olafski | hmm. I had your picture open bruners, typed xkcd.com in the address bar and a new tab opened |
| 10:35.07 | olafski | that doesn't sound right |
| 10:35.23 | Bruners | olafski: default settings does that |
| 10:35.30 | olafski | ah ok so I can change it :P |
| 10:35.34 | Bruners | olafski: unless its on the same domain |
| 10:36.18 | Bruners | i have tried most of the tab extensions and treestyletabs is so far the best |
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| 10:37.40 | Bruners | Fisker-: if you can show me that google chrome or opera can do the same as firefox, sure ill try it |
| 10:38.16 | Fisker- | what can firefox do that Chrome can't? |
| 10:38.55 | Bruners | Fisker-: it can run treestyletabs |
| 10:39.03 | olafski | adblock, gestures |
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| 10:39.33 | Fisker- | olafski Google can do both but neither is standard in the application |
| 10:39.45 | Fisker- | and same to you Bruners |
| 10:39.49 | olafski | hm last time I tried chrome it didn't have addon support |
| 10:39.52 | Fisker- | also only n00bs who have sidebars |
| 10:40.03 | Fisker- | Chrome has had addon support for half a billion years |
| 10:40.11 | Fisker- | just hacky until recently |
| 10:40.18 | Bruners | in a 4:3 world having tabs on top is fine, sure |
| 10:40.30 | Bruners | but in my 16:9 world i like it on the side |
| 10:40.32 | Fisker- | they need to l2superbar |
| 10:40.39 | olafski | oh yeah I also haven't found an option to change the language in chrome :P |
| 10:41.00 | Bruners | Fisker-: show me treestyletabs version of chrome |
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| 10:41.04 | olafski | found the latter ;p |
| 10:41.05 | A-KO | I don't really need addons :P Chrome is already superfast ads don't really bring the browser down--they're annoying, but not really a problem |
| 10:41.10 | Bruners | Fisker-: having tabs on the side is not enough |
| 10:41.16 | olafski | finally, a dutch browser was bugging me to no end |
| 10:41.31 | Fisker- | denied Bruners |
| 10:41.40 | Bruners | i dont mind ads as long as they dont flash and make sounds |
| 10:42.01 | A-KO | and any particular reason for tabs on the side? I Mean, tabs on the top seems pretty reasonable to me, not to say that it wouldn't be a nifty idea, but I certainly don't really see anything other than an aesthetic change given that Chrome itself has the most visible area for webpages out of any of the browsers. |
| 10:42.11 | Bruners | i gave Opera a two week trial, but it failed |
| 10:42.46 | Bruners | A-KO: try having 50+ tabs open |
| 10:43.00 | Bruners | this is how opera handles it http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/opera.jpg |
| 10:43.03 | Fisker- | http://i35.tinypic.com/ehn2oy.jpg <-fail |
| 10:43.27 | Fisker- | warez Bruners |
| 10:43.49 | Bruners | Fisker-: wat |
| 10:43.58 | Fisker- | torrentbytes |
| 10:44.00 | A-KO | I usually have 50+ tabs open and across multiple screens/computers :P I'm well aware of it, but a vertical tab bar wouldn't solve that |
| 10:44.03 | Fisker- | don't you play innocent with me |
| 10:44.14 | olafski | tried to find something to block ads in chrome and it took me more than 2 minutes - that browser doesn't get my vote :) |
| 10:44.25 | Bruners | Fisker-: theres just links to some .torrent files there, no warez |
| 10:44.55 | Fisker- | oh u Bruners |
| 10:44.55 | Fisker- | you know there's no difference if you ask TEH LAW |
| 10:45.00 | Fisker- | or atleast those incapable of reading the law |
| 10:45.02 | A-KO | olafski: ads are how many sites stay in business these days |
| 10:45.05 | Fisker- | i.e. judges and juries |
| 10:45.12 | olafski | I know that a-ko |
| 10:45.17 | olafski | doesn't mean I don't want to block them :) |
| 10:45.23 | Fisker- | i block WoW forum ads |
| 10:45.26 | Fisker- | no other ads |
| 10:45.28 | Fisker- | just wow forum |
| 10:45.39 | olafski | I blocks them ALL |
| 10:45.48 | Fisker- | Still looking forward to the day their ad system gets compromised again |
| 10:46.01 | Fisker- | Sure a few goldsellers are as well |
| 10:46.10 | A-KO | I never understood why blizzard's forums have ads on them |
| 10:46.21 | Fisker- | mo money |
| 10:46.21 | A-KO | the company makes ridiculous amounts of money |
| 10:46.25 | A-KO | no I know that |
| 10:46.26 | A-KO | it's just |
| 10:46.40 | A-KO | you would think they would be satisfied :P |
| 10:46.48 | Fisker- | Why would they? |
| 10:46.56 | Fisker- | Probably Bobby Kotick though |
| 10:47.09 | Fisker- | "Yo dawg you can earn us a few moar dollars by putting ads on your forums" |
| 10:47.34 | Fisker- | It's the same with no lan on SC2 |
| 10:47.38 | Fisker- | as well as internet activation |
| 10:47.46 | Fisker- | Obviously a control/piracy issue |
| 10:47.59 | Fisker- | But they're the LAST company to worry about that |
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| 10:54.16 | Fisker- | kisses stolenlegacy |
| 10:54.39 | Bruners | im kinda sure the people who advertise on the blizzard forums pay quite lot |
| 10:55.20 | Xasz | Is this the right place to ask noobish questions about writing an addon? |
| 10:55.25 | olafski | probably |
| 10:55.26 | Bruners | yes |
| 10:55.41 | olafski | apparently you can have other people spoonfeed you the answers too ;) |
| 10:55.47 | stolenlegacy | sighs at Fisker- |
| 10:55.57 | stolenlegacy | Xasz: either here or over at #wowace |
| 10:56.35 | Xasz | Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of some documentation on having your addon communicate with others using the same addon, along the lines of a Gatherer or PallyPower (albeit much simpler) |
| 10:56.48 | stolenlegacy | !api SendAddOnMessage |
| 10:56.48 | lua_bot | SendAddonMessage: Sends a chat-like message receivable by other addons (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendAddonMessage) |
| 10:57.00 | stolenlegacy | !api CHAT_MSG_ADDON |
| 10:57.00 | lua_bot | CHAT_MSG_ADDON: Fires when an addon communication message is received (see [[docs/api/SendAddonMessage|`SendAddonMessage()`]]) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_ADDON) |
| 10:57.13 | stolenlegacy | there you are |
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| 10:57.58 | Xasz | Awesome, thanks. |
| 10:58.08 | stolenlegacy | just PM me if you got any problems |
| 10:58.41 | Bruners | hmm, perfectraid is showing the last raid member wrong, wrong name at least and wrong class color on it |
| 10:59.57 | stolenlegacy | @project perfectraid |
| 10:59.58 | Repo | stolenlegacy: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/project-15584/. Perfectraid. Game: WoW. Status: Deleted. (Automatic) Deleted since no file has been uploaded and no known activity for 4 weeks.. favipx21 (Manager/Author). Updated: 367 days ago |
| 11:01.58 | Bruners | clad is anti curse :P |
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| 13:41.59 | Fisker | aww |
| 13:42.06 | Fisker | looks like autoplaying was already disabled :D |
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| 13:58.42 | Fisker | lol |
| 13:58.43 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155679924&sid=1 |
| 13:58.49 | Fisker | Posting a private server on the gm forums |
| 13:58.51 | Fisker | durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 13:59.41 | Wobin | but they have 20-40 latency!! |
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| 14:07.37 | Kaso | lol its illegal! |
| 14:07.59 | DWSR | lolno. |
| 14:08.00 | Kaso | Someone's getting a bit worked up by the dmca, esp seeing as the domain is in Sweden |
| 14:08.14 | Fisker | it is illegal though |
| 14:08.18 | Fisker | trollfaces |
| 14:08.27 | Fisker | When you find out you'll shit bricks |
| 14:09.20 | stuf | oh wow, sounds a bit like fail |
| 14:09.53 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
| 14:09.56 | DWSR | ~karma Fisker |
| 14:09.56 | purl | fisker has karma of 6 |
| 14:09.59 | DWSR | :o |
| 14:10.01 | DWSR | Bad troll. |
| 14:10.53 | Fisker | you know i'm right DWSR |
| 14:10.55 | Bruners | Shadowed: is there a way to open paladinbuffers assign thing without using the slashcommand? |
| 14:11.06 | Shadowed | Not that I know of |
| 14:11.14 | Shadowed | I haven't used it for a while now, don't play a Paladin anymore |
| 14:11.24 | DWSR | Bruners: Macro it or write an LDB launcher? |
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| 14:11.32 | Fisker | even now you're hiding in shame DWSR |
| 14:11.38 | Fisker | trying to talk around |
| 14:12.22 | Bruners | Shadowed: kk |
| 14:12.50 | DWSR | Fisker |
| 14:13.01 | DWSR | You're bad. |
| 14:13.11 | DWSR | EOF |
| 14:16.39 | Mikk | There's nothing illegal about running a server that speaks WoWserverlanguage in sweden. |
| 14:17.17 | Mikk | You can reverse engineer something as much as you like. |
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| 14:18.02 | krka | almost nothing is illegal in sweden! |
| 14:18.13 | Mikk | Ermmmm right :P |
| 14:18.25 | Mikk | We just don't have DMCA. I pray we never will. |
| 14:18.49 | stuf | Instead, you have FRA :| |
| 14:18.49 | stuf | I AM DISAPPOINT |
| 14:19.03 | stuf | It's nice to live on the east side of sweden, knowing that our traffic passes through your country 95% of the time :< |
| 14:19.09 | Ackis | hid DISAPPOINT, I'm Ackis |
| 14:19.11 | Mikk | Yeah, loving that piece of legislation >.< |
| 14:19.25 | krka | east side of sweden? you mean finland? |
| 14:19.29 | Mikk | Hoping for a government change next year. They've promised they'll tear it up. |
| 14:19.49 | stuf | yeah |
| 14:19.51 | krka | didn't thing finns also considered themselve part of sweden O_o |
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| 14:20.23 | Mikk | It's true, half of them pray we'll get a cool king again and annex them. Mhm. |
| 14:20.28 | Mikk | oO |
| 14:20.39 | stuf | krka: on the east side of sweden, meaning on the other side of the border =D |
| 14:21.08 | Wobin | "STOCKHOLM - Two tennis players are suspected of breaking Sweden's sex law by allegedly soliciting prostitutes ahead of the Stockholm Open, police said on Monday." |
| 14:21.16 | Wobin | Sweden has sex laws? |
| 14:21.24 | Mikk | haha |
| 14:21.27 | Mikk | apparently |
| 14:22.07 | Mikk | wtf kind of stupid newspaper lets that kind of text through |
| 14:22.18 | krka | "east side of sweden" is not the same thing as "east of sweden" |
| 14:22.34 | Mikk | quite. i live on the east side of sweden. |
| 14:22.42 | Mikk | stuf lives east of sweden |
| 14:22.43 | Wobin | "kind of text"? |
| 14:22.53 | stuf | well, asses to you then :< i'm going home |
| 14:23.02 | krka | finns are so temperamental! |
| 14:23.15 | stuf | haha |
| 14:23.20 | Mikk | Wobin: well er referring to the piece of the criminal code dealing with prositution as "sex law" .... err... |
| 14:23.46 | stuf | krka: well, you would be temperamental too, if your language would consist of long-ass words |
| 14:23.46 | Wobin | the AP apparently =P |
| 14:23.55 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 14:24.03 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/tennis/tennis-players-suspected-of-buying-sex/2009/10/20/1255891802223.html |
| 14:25.01 | Mikk | Ah and then in the final paragraph they call it "prostitution law" |
| 14:25.13 | krka | no, only if it consisted of long ass-words |
| 14:26.38 | Mikk | "damnit, i'm pissed off, and now i have to use long-fricking-ass words to express just how pissed of i am! it's driving me absolutely crazy! raaaargh!" |
| 14:26.44 | Mikk | yes, i think i see the frustration |
| 14:27.14 | Mikk | Did you know that there was a finn who was so much in love with his spouse that he ALMOST told her that he loved her? |
| 14:27.22 | krka | finnish is just swedish with "i" appended anyway |
| 14:27.48 | Mikk | intte säääära, paara riiissta |
| 14:28.05 | Mikk | nodnods |
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| 14:32.36 | Ackis | http://ow.ly/voJK <-- dolphins playing football with jellyfish |
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| 14:35.12 | DWSR | Ackis: shopped. |
| 14:35.40 | olafski | seems kind of harsh on the jellyfish |
| 14:35.48 | Ackis | DWSR: there's a video :P |
| 14:35.49 | olafski | the article does mention some of them died |
| 14:36.04 | Wobin | olafski, do you really think the dolphin cared? |
| 14:36.08 | olafski | no |
| 14:36.10 | Wobin | We should get PETA on their arses! |
| 14:36.19 | olafski | yes |
| 14:36.21 | olafski | kill the dolphins |
| 14:36.32 | Wobin | SAVE THE JELLYFISH |
| 14:36.33 | olafski | killing for fun is very much a nono in my book |
| 14:36.50 | DWSR | Ackis: Fine, AfterEffects'ed. |
| 14:36.52 | olafski | except when it's people |
| 14:37.00 | stuf | krka: well, long ass-words is true though, since the polite form of sayin "butt" is "takapuoli" |
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| 14:38.20 | Wobin | In reference to the halo, I completely believe this has to do with NASA Bombing God's Moon last week. NASA is so BORED that they are now interfering with things of the Heavens. |
| 14:38.21 | Wobin | Every time NASA FOOL around in the Heavens, the Climate as well as the Weather gets colder OR hotter, Cities around the country starts to experience severe rains, flood and tornadoes. |
| 14:38.26 | Wobin | Tell NASA TO LEAVE THE HEAVENS ALONE! Most of Americans are destroying the ONE thing God GAVE TO US TO PROCTECT! the earth. When earth is destroyed, what will we be left with? |
| 14:38.42 | Wobin | Sometimes, I love the internet |
| 14:38.51 | Wobin | other times, not so much =P |
| 14:39.25 | DWSR | Wobin: I hope humanity is destroyed before that happens. |
| 14:39.51 | Wobin | well, probably as an aftereffect |
| 14:39.57 | olafski | wtf are you saying every time nasa does something the earth gets hotter or colder? |
| 14:40.01 | olafski | that's insane |
| 14:40.01 | olafski | we have to stop this! |
| 14:40.13 | Wobin | olafski, it's all the fault of daylight savings |
| 14:40.23 | olafski | of course |
| 14:40.30 | olafski | saving all that daylight.. it has to be stored somewhere |
| 14:40.54 | Wobin | http://www.boingboing.net/images/ArkansasLetter.jpg |
| 14:41.35 | olafski | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 14:41.38 | olafski | that's genius |
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| 14:41.59 | olafski | saving that in my funny pictures folder ;p |
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| 14:43.49 | Wobin | incidentally, the letter was meant as a joke =P |
| 14:44.04 | olafski | it's more fun outside of that context |
| 14:44.44 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:51.32 | Ackis | WobWork: no it wasn't, all americans are dumbasses! |
| 14:52.11 | DWSR | A !-> B |
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| 14:54.24 | zenzelezz | to paraphrase some guy on another IRC channel long ago... |
| 14:54.31 | zenzelezz | I don't mean to generalise, it's just that all Americans suck |
| 14:55.59 | Ackis | lol |
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| 15:05.08 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:05.17 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 15:05.27 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
| 15:05.31 | DWSR | ~karma Fisker |
| 15:05.31 | purl | fisker has karma of 7 |
| 15:05.33 | DWSR | :o |
| 15:05.36 | DWSR | Dude, where's the -? |
| 15:05.45 | Fisker | yo mom |
| 15:06.07 | bluspacecow | \o/----- pew pew |
| 15:06.26 | bluspacecow | ~karma purl |
| 15:06.26 | purl | purl has karma of 32 |
| 15:06.43 | bluspacecow | ~karma bluspacecow |
| 15:06.43 | purl | bluspacecow has karma of -1 |
| 15:06.49 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 15:07.03 | bluspacecow | nobody loves me |
| 15:07.04 | DWSR | ~karma |
| 15:07.04 | purl | dwsr has karma of -1 |
| 15:07.06 | DWSR | heh |
| 15:07.17 | bluspacecow | ~karma ~karma |
| 15:07.17 | purl | ~karma has neutral karma |
| 15:07.33 | Fisker | ~~karma++ |
| 15:07.40 | Cide | ~karma cide |
| 15:07.40 | purl | cide has karma of 8 |
| 15:07.43 | Cide | sup |
| 15:07.51 | DWSR | your karma rating |
| 15:07.53 | DWSR | :D |
| 15:08.01 | Cide | nah, it's the same |
| 15:08.01 | bluspacecow | ~karma Fisker |
| 15:08.01 | purl | fisker has karma of 7 |
| 15:08.09 | Cide | Fisker: one-up'd |
| 15:08.14 | DWSR | Fisker's bad at trolling |
| 15:08.21 | DWSR | I keep up-rating fisker every time he trolls |
| 15:08.36 | bluspacecow | ~bluspacecow++ |
| 15:08.42 | DWSR | can't do that |
| 15:08.48 | bluspacecow | awww |
| 15:08.54 | Fisker | i never troll DWSR |
| 15:09.02 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:10.41 | DWSR | bbiab |
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| 15:15.37 | Fisker | makes huge farts on DWSR |
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| 15:29.00 | Seerah | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/10/20/funny-pictures-methods-amuse-me/ |
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| 15:39.26 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 15:43.04 | Fisker | slaps Seerah around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:43.24 | Seerah | is not affected by the floppy trout |
| 15:45.56 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:46.07 | Fisker | le jerk |
| 15:46.48 | Lopeppeppy | Be nice to Seerah. |
| 15:46.59 | Seerah | :D |
| 15:48.36 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: why? :P |
| 15:48.55 | Lopeppeppy | *weg* |
| 15:48.58 | Tepel | Hurrah! Fail Firefighting ftl ... |
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| 15:59.30 | cogwheel | ahhh spam... "Unfortunately we were not able to deliver postal package you sent on October the 18st" |
| 15:59.49 | DWSR | lol |
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| 16:00.07 | A-KO^^ | Is it fair to say that customized UIs has probably had a significant impact on WoW's success? |
| 16:00.22 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 16:00.37 | DWSR | absolutely. |
| 16:00.50 | DWSR | I know I probably would have stopped playing during vanilla if I didn't have that to do |
| 16:00.50 | A-KO^^ | okay, just making sure I'm not the only one with that sort of opinion :P |
| 16:00.53 | cogwheel | i think we're a bit biased :P |
| 16:01.02 | A-KO^^ | cogwheel: perhaps, but perhaps not :P |
| 16:01.03 | DWSR | cogwheel: Maybe and maybe not. |
| 16:01.07 | DWSR | jinx. |
| 16:01.10 | A-KO^^ | hahaha |
| 16:01.10 | Thrae | A-KO^^: They're biased. It's more like icing on the cake. |
| 16:01.12 | Ackis | black box: http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=5601 |
| 16:01.16 | DWSR | NO FUCKING TALKING FOR YOU A-KO. |
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| 16:01.42 | DWSR | Ackis: All it needs is a microphone |
| 16:01.43 | nevcairiel | I don't know if i would've played for so long with the stock ui or without the entertainment of doing the addons, i honestly couldnt say :P |
| 16:01.44 | A-KO^^ | I guess it's hard to say either way since customizable UI ability has been there since the game came out :P |
| 16:02.16 | Ackis | the only reason I play wow is to get level 18 night elfs to play with my dwarven hand cannon |
| 16:02.18 | cogwheel | yep. |
| 16:02.32 | DWSR | >.< |
| 16:02.39 | Thrae | A-KO^^: The reason WoW suceeded and still suceeds is because of a rise in "casual gaming" that most game producers did not anticipate. |
| 16:02.46 | cogwheel | and considering how many people DIDN'T quit after the addon restrictions in 2.0, i think it's a safe bet that wow would still have 10+ million subscribers if they got rid of addons altogether |
| 16:02.55 | Thrae | It seems I did not succeed at proper spelling. |
| 16:03.03 | cogwheel | though now they have so many features that were directly inspired by addons, the game probably wouldn't be the same |
| 16:03.43 | DWSR | I think A-KO's statement is fair, tbh |
| 16:03.48 | A-KO^^ | no Thrae, I agree with that to an extent. But I also would have to say that I know a very large chunk of "casual gamers" that use customized UIs. Hell, just look at the comments on most UI systems. And I don't know anyone in any guild I've been in (from casual guilds or hardcore guilds) that doesn't use some sort of addon. |
| 16:04.08 | A-KO^^ | In fact, I've been writing my UI stuff and I still use less overall combinations of addons than most people I've met in-game. |
| 16:04.34 | DWSR | Everyone uses DBM. |
| 16:04.41 | DWSR | Most people use Recount. |
| 16:04.41 | Thrae | A-KO^^: If you want to duel on ancedotal evidence, the casual gamers I know use the stock UI and only use addons when requested by their guild for raiding. Especially roleplayers. |
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| 16:05.02 | cogwheel | Thrae: same here. |
| 16:05.28 | A-KO^^ | really? That's interesting :p |
| 16:05.31 | Tepel | Nerf Fatigue! |
| 16:05.37 | A-KO^^ | I've been on 3 different servers and have never seen that |
| 16:05.46 | A-KO^^ | I use the default UI for the most part |
| 16:05.50 | A-KO^^ | and people look at me and go "wtf?" |
| 16:05.55 | A-KO^^ | "How do you play like that?" |
| 16:05.59 | Ackis | everyone should use Ackis Recipe List |
| 16:06.07 | olafski | I use it |
| 16:06.08 | Tepel | I am |
| 16:06.18 | olafski | everyone should also use AutoVendor *cough* |
| 16:06.24 | A-KO^^ | haha |
| 16:06.27 | A-KO^^ | Vendomatic IMO |
| 16:06.28 | A-KO^^ | coughs |
| 16:06.55 | olafski | damn |
| 16:07.03 | olafski | that appears to have more features than mine |
| 16:07.07 | A-KO^^ | wins |
| 16:07.33 | A-KO^^ | that's okay, you have time to catch up, a friend of mine and I develop it and due to changing work schedules we have significantly less time to work on it now than we used to :P |
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| 16:07.40 | Tepel | That was sooo lame! I went afk while flying to the argent tournament on my own mount. I forgot all about it until I heard the sound indicating my mount was flying against a wall. |
| 16:07.43 | A-KO^^ | and we work on it together |
| 16:07.46 | A-KO^^ | rather than independently |
| 16:07.52 | Tepel | Then I see the fatigue bar ... |
| 16:08.08 | Tepel | Ofcourse, I died. |
| 16:08.22 | olafski | a-ko^^: I might update a bit.. but then again I also like it as it is now :P |
| 16:08.27 | A-KO^^ | lol |
| 16:08.31 | A-KO^^ | yeah olafski that's the beauty of it |
| 16:08.33 | Tepel | Then I went back, the spectral mount decided to ditch me over the ocean. And I died again with only 30 yards to go |
| 16:08.45 | A-KO^^ | honestly olafski I liked ours how it was a bit ago, but people continue to ask for more features. |
| 16:08.51 | olafski | we have a competition now though |
| 16:08.53 | olafski | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.54 | A-KO^^ | Some of which we work on, others of which we've put off, and others of which we won't do |
| 16:09.10 | A-KO^^ | for example, someone asked for us to track reagent usage |
| 16:09.13 | olafski | I was considering adding an ilvl filter |
| 16:09.17 | A-KO^^ | and that's become actually a bit more of a problem :P |
| 16:09.25 | olafski | and auto selling soulbound items you can't equip |
| 16:09.46 | olafski | ilvl filter is probably not a good idea though I think |
| 16:09.51 | A-KO^^ | nah I don't think so |
| 16:09.55 | A-KO^^ | but neither is quality level |
| 16:10.06 | A-KO^^ | because auto selling green items = reagents, etc. (titanium ores, bars, etc.) |
| 16:10.19 | Ackis | should've deleted that addon! |
| 16:10.20 | A-KO^^ | so I've been very careful with expanding beyond gray items |
| 16:10.22 | olafski | well, green/blue items that I can't equip can go usually (if they are equippable) |
| 16:10.32 | olafski | indeed ackis, it's duplicate stuff! |
| 16:10.40 | olafski | a-ko^^: did you look at my features? ;) |
| 16:10.54 | olafski | I currently allow manually adding non-greys you want to autosell |
| 16:11.00 | A-KO^^ | nah I haven't, I'm at work atm so I'm not really looking at everything. |
| 16:11.03 | A-KO^^ | yeah, same :P |
| 16:11.03 | olafski | :) |
| 16:11.12 | olafski | kay I'll probably yield then =) |
| 16:11.22 | A-KO^^ | we have a list that lets you choose either to exlcude them from being sold, or to auto sell only those items ;P |
| 16:11.56 | olafski | as for the debate on whether addons improved the popularity I dunno.. I played beta without addons and it worked fine but now that I _know_ they are available I wouldn't want to play without |
| 16:11.56 | A-KO^^ | but it is still based on item quality overall, I might change that--it depends, I don't know. I wrote the auto selling function at like 4 am and I've been weary of mucking with it |
| 16:12.17 | Ackis | FYI Canadians: http://promotions.newegg.ca/sweepstakes/7for7/index.html?cm_mmc=SNC-Twitter-_-na-_-na-_-na |
| 16:12.44 | Fisker | twitter is for retarded people Ackis |
| 16:12.44 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 16:13.08 | Fisker | why would i also have 2 crappy pieces of hardware to go with a crappy notebook? |
| 16:13.44 | Ackis | how come you don't use twitter then retarded Fisker? |
| 16:14.06 | Fisker | i'm not retarded durr |
| 16:14.13 | Fisker | retarded Ackis |
| 16:14.41 | Ackis | that's what you thnk my special boy |
| 16:14.52 | olafski | ackis: A implies B does not mean B implies A |
| 16:14.59 | ArrowmasterClass | Ackis: you broke wowace |
| 16:14.59 | Fisker | That's what you think my mentally challenged guy |
| 16:15.00 | olafski | he could be retarded and not using twitter |
| 16:15.08 | Ackis | ArrowmasterClass: wha'ts wrong? |
| 16:15.27 | ArrowmasterClass | Ackis: packager broke on collectinator |
| 16:15.53 | Ackis | packager always breaks |
| 16:16.36 | ArrowmasterClass | where the hell is the unpause button |
| 16:17.01 | Lopeppeppy | Just play again? |
| 16:31.37 | foxlit | wonders why C whines when I pass a char ** to a function expecting a const char **. |
| 16:32.01 | zenzelezz | which compiler? |
| 16:32.14 | foxlit | gcc |
| 16:32.50 | foxlit | "passing argument 1 of âxyzâ from incompatible pointer type" |
| 16:33.19 | zenzelezz | incompatible, eh? |
| 16:33.44 | foxlit | changing the function declaration to read (char ** foo) instead of (const char ** foo) makes it go away. |
| 16:33.57 | nevcairiel | const pointers are a bitch |
| 16:34.54 | Cide | it's not c++ |
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| 16:35.54 | foxlit | I'm blissfully unaware of c++. |
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| 16:53.16 | cogwheel | is youtube layout f'ed up for anyone else? |
| 16:53.40 | cogwheel | nm |
| 16:54.33 | kdtresh | anybody have experience with ssl certs in apache? |
| 16:55.38 | kdtresh | more specifically, is it possible to have certs for multiple domains on the same external ip? |
| 16:56.16 | foxlit | No. |
| 16:56.23 | foxlit | Or, rather, not on the same ip:port. |
| 16:57.09 | kdtresh | hmmm, so all the stuff i was seeing about virtual ip-based vhosting is bogus |
| 16:57.24 | kdtresh | or at least not applicable |
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| 16:57.45 | foxlit | SSL is one of the big reasons people will sell you additional IP addresses. |
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| 16:58.23 | foxlit | My understanding is that the TLS handshake occurs before the HTTP protocol can send the Hosts: header, so your server cannot know who it is supposed to be prior to presenting its certificate. |
| 16:58.34 | kdtresh | ah |
| 16:59.02 | kdtresh | well, it's just a feel-good thing anyway |
| 16:59.07 | Lopeppeppy | Sleepy peppy is sleepy. |
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| 17:00.04 | zenzelezz | you can always borrow a spot in my bed |
| 17:00.56 | foxlit | http://images.apple.com/magicmouse/images/lasertracking_20091020.jpg |
| 17:01.13 | foxlit | "Look, not only do we have zero buttons, but we also removed the scroll wheel. In your face!" |
| 17:01.32 | kdtresh | why have buttons when you can... not... |
| 17:02.24 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, fluff up the pillows, I'll be there sometime next week if I walk fast. |
| 17:03.14 | zenzelezz | fetches the fancy bedsheets |
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| 17:10.16 | Fisker | fetches zenzelezz |
| 17:10.58 | Fisker | i not care foxlit |
| 17:11.33 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: buttons are for noobs. |
| 17:12.05 | foxlit | Well, the next step is obviously "wtb wow API support for the magic mouse" |
| 17:14.12 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i'm actually interested in using that, just to see how it feels/performs |
| 17:14.45 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm not convinced it'll pull me away from my precious logitech mice, but it looks neat as hell |
| 17:15.54 | foxlit | Their previous mouse was unable to register you as holding left and right "buttons" at the same time. |
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| 17:16.22 | NightHawkTheSane | the mighty mouse with the scroll nob-button-thing |
| 17:16.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
| 17:16.33 | foxlit | Yep. |
| 17:16.39 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 17:17.31 | NightHawkTheSane | the scroll-nob-buton-thing was a neat idea, but the mouse sucked |
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| 17:26.13 | Lunessa | I think I might cruise by the Apple Store and check out that mouse. |
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| 17:26.29 | Lopeppeppy | they have a funky apple mouse? |
| 17:26.40 | Lopeppeppy | I thought that apple mice were by definition um... flat and boring... |
| 17:32.12 | NightHawkTheSane | well, this new one IS flat..ish |
| 17:32.29 | NightHawkTheSane | that always did confuse me, apple was never realy great at making mice. |
| 17:35.59 | Lunessa | I don't know... I never disliked the one-button mice they used to ship. But since I needed to move to trackballs for medical reasons, I haven't used their native mice. |
| 17:36.33 | KarlKFI|work | well the new mouse is multi-touch |
| 17:36.47 | KarlKFI|work | pinch to zoom, flick to scroll |
| 17:37.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: the 1-button thing never bothered me, but the basic design always seemed very cludgy/awkward every since the 'hockey puck' mouse |
| 17:37.46 | KarlKFI|work | they're symetrical and small imo |
| 17:38.04 | KarlKFI|work | i prefer my right handed logitec |
| 17:38.08 | Lunessa | Sadly, it's still a mouse. I need a device I don't have to move around. |
| 17:38.15 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI|work: same |
| 17:38.37 | Shadowed | the new mouse looks kind of fancy |
| 17:38.45 | Shadowed | but it looks too small |
| 17:38.54 | cogwheel | loves his Logitech G7 |
| 17:38.57 | Lunessa | It looks awesome - but... |
| 17:39.12 | Shadowed | Maybe if you have small hands, but yea pretty sure I could never use that consistently |
| 17:39.15 | KarlKFI|work | G7 lulz, WTS MORE BUTTONS |
| 17:39.45 | KarlKFI|work | well the basic idea with a small mouse is that you rest your hands and only move your fingers |
| 17:39.46 | Cide | g7 is great |
| 17:39.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: eh, hard to say just from pictures. but yeah, apples mice have generally been on the smaller side. |
| 17:39.52 | Lunessa | cries, wtb trackball with more than 2 buttons + mosuswheel. |
| 17:40.02 | Cide | however |
| 17:40.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: srsly. |
| 17:40.20 | Cide | g9x is better |
| 17:40.20 | cogwheel | Lunessa: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/trackballs/devices/189&cl=us,en |
| 17:40.21 | Shadowed | Well http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/10/20/121957-magicm_500.jpg definitely looks too small |
| 17:40.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont get how mouse/trackball manufacturers fail so badly at putting buttons on their devices |
| 17:40.42 | Shadowed | maybe not |
| 17:40.47 | Cide | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/5092&cl=us,en |
| 17:41.01 | Cide | rests really nicely in the hand, too |
| 17:41.24 | Cide | and 2 thumb buttons! |
| 17:41.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: not enough buttons imo |
| 17:41.32 | Cide | and free-scrolling mwheel if you want |
| 17:41.39 | Cide | you don't need more buttns |
| 17:41.41 | Cide | buttons |
| 17:41.51 | cogwheel | i could use another thumb button |
| 17:41.54 | cogwheel | on my g7 |
| 17:41.59 | Cide | I had a g7 before |
| 17:42.02 | Lunessa | cogwheel: MAOR BUTTONS |
| 17:42.07 | NightHawkTheSane | I like having at least two thumb buttons (3 is nice), and 2 buttons above/below the scroll wheel |
| 17:42.11 | Cide | I liked it but the g9x is better |
| 17:42.15 | cogwheel | well, i use my mouse exclusively for all my movement |
| 17:42.19 | Cide | especially with the free-scrolling mwheel |
| 17:42.25 | Cide | takes some getting used to but it's awesome |
| 17:43.07 | Lunessa | I want like... 7-10 buttons... that would be awesomeness. |
| 17:43.08 | cogwheel | and i use the DPI buttons to change stances |
| 17:43.58 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: you can rebind your dpi buttons? >< |
| 17:44.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i need a way to do that in osx |
| 17:44.15 | cogwheel | :) |
| 17:44.30 | NightHawkTheSane | I did rebind the tilt-left/right on the scroll wheel, which is nice |
| 17:44.37 | cogwheel | yep. that's my strafe |
| 17:44.43 | cogwheel | middle click is auto-run |
| 17:44.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i just use it for two more abilities, but yeah |
| 17:45.27 | cogwheel | my only complaint about the G7 is that it's kinda hard to actually get the mousewheel to click normally |
| 17:46.08 | Cide | and no free-scrolling wheel! and only 1 thumb button! |
| 17:46.15 | Cide | srsly. |
| 17:46.33 | cogwheel | Cide: i said "MY" complaint :P |
| 17:46.40 | Cide | nou |
| 17:46.44 | cogwheel | yame |
| 17:48.44 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. |
| 17:48.57 | NightHawkTheSane | wonder if i could rebind the dpi buttons in windows, and have the mouse remember that over into osx.. |
| 17:49.31 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: nope... |
| 17:49.36 | cogwheel | actually, the g9x can |
| 17:49.40 | cogwheel | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/5092&cl=us,en |
| 17:49.50 | cogwheel | (onboard memory) |
| 17:50.00 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i have a g500, it -says- it can do that |
| 17:50.04 | cogwheel | oh |
| 17:50.27 | Lunessa | NHTS - Install the logitech package. |
| 17:50.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: in osx, or windows? |
| 17:50.57 | Fisker | G9 = gay mouse |
| 17:51.11 | cogwheel | Fisker = gay fish |
| 17:51.27 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:51.36 | Fisker | Logitech still hasn't released Windows 7 drivers |
| 17:51.40 | foxlit | has yet to receive a toothpick on the right character. |
| 17:51.40 | Fisker | it's basically already out |
| 17:51.44 | Fisker | lazy bastards |
| 17:51.47 | cogwheel | vista drivers work fine for me |
| 17:52.15 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: In OSX |
| 17:52.38 | Fisker | sure cogwheel just a pain to deal with |
| 17:52.45 | Fisker | and they are a bit buggy here actually |
| 17:52.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: hmm, i just assumed usb-overdrive would do everything possible, i'll check it out, though, thanks |
| 17:52.54 | cogwheel | Fisker: no more of a pain than in vista imo |
| 17:53.05 | cogwheel | assuming we're talking about SetPoint |
| 17:53.12 | Fisker | i had to extract the installer to install the driver |
| 17:53.20 | Fisker | took me a billion years in hexedit |
| 17:53.21 | Fisker | :P |
| 17:53.33 | cogwheel | 64-bit? |
| 17:53.35 | Fisker | yeah |
| 17:53.50 | cogwheel | Worked fine for me a month ago |
| 17:56.24 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 17:56.33 | cogwheel | i no rite? |
| 17:56.40 | Fisker | had to find installshield extractors and what not |
| 17:56.52 | cogwheel | pfft lern27-zip |
| 17:57.01 | Fisker | and the drivers randomly shut down my keyboard |
| 17:57.24 | cogwheel | hugs his entirely featureless keyboard |
| 17:57.33 | Fisker | QQ |
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| 17:57.43 | NightHawkTheSane | hugs his apple aluminum wired keyboard |
| 17:58.33 | cogwheel | Fisker: if it makes you feel better, i had to do that to install a dreamweaver update... |
| 17:58.39 | Fisker | kills NightHawkTheSane and tosses the body in a ditch |
| 17:58.48 | cogwheel | minus the searching for installshield extractors |
| 17:58.50 | cogwheel | <3 7-zip |
| 17:58.50 | Fisker | noone should have to go through that ever! |
| 17:59.02 | Fisker | didn't know 7zip could extract the exe's |
| 17:59.04 | Fisker | etc. |
| 17:59.16 | NightHawkTheSane | eats Fisker's brains... |
| 17:59.19 | Fisker | or the cabs for that matter |
| 17:59.21 | Lunessa | When I installed Windows 7 logitech's 64bit drivers were already available. |
| 17:59.23 | cogwheel | exes, msis, isos, cabs |
| 17:59.23 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't filled up.. |
| 17:59.32 | Fisker | i disagree Lunessa |
| 17:59.41 | Fisker | they're like "We won't support it until it's out faggot" |
| 17:59.44 | clever | Fisker: the self-extracting zip files (some .exe) are simply a .exe stub with a .zip tacked on the end |
| 17:59.49 | Fisker | but guess what, it's out! |
| 17:59.56 | Lunessa | I snagged it right out of Windows Update punk. |
| 17:59.59 | clever | Fisker: its relatively simply to just cut&paste the .zip portion |
| 18:00.08 | cogwheel | Lunessa: not setpoint... |
| 18:00.11 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 18:00.28 | cogwheel | can't do anything cool without setpoint |
| 18:00.35 | Lunessa | *shrug* My Trackman wheel is running like a damned champ. :) |
| 18:00.49 | cogwheel | yes, but you were just complaining about it not having any features ;) |
| 18:00.55 | Fisker | well i could retort with various references to your mother Lunessa |
| 18:01.28 | Fisker | inappropiate references as well |
| 18:01.29 | Lunessa | Fisker: Just make sure you leave the money on her dresser. |
| 18:01.29 | cogwheel | i do lurves my trackman wheel though |
| 18:01.29 | cogwheel | (as far as trackballs go) |
| 18:01.47 | kdtresh | anyone have any idea why a 5mb mysql database would be < 2mb zipped or bzipped, but over 12mb gzipped? |
| 18:02.26 | cogwheel | kdtresh: gzip author ha sa thing against mysql? |
| 18:02.26 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 18:02.26 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 18:02.29 | Lunessa | Hah... NM - I used the Vista 64x version for Windows 7 - because I'm a heathen living dangerously. |
| 18:02.33 | cogwheel | s/ha sa/has a/ |
| 18:02.42 | cogwheel | Lunessa: that's what we've been talking about :P |
| 18:02.59 | Lunessa | Yeah, I'll just STFU and pretend I slept wnough |
| 18:03.02 | Lunessa | enough |
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| 18:03.04 | Fisker | cool story btw |
| 18:03.12 | Fisker | Razer has malware in their drivers for like several months |
| 18:03.18 | Fisker | had* |
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| 18:04.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Razer can suck it. |
| 18:05.03 | Fisker | in your butt |
| 18:05.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker: you're my favorite troll ever. |
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| 18:06.37 | Fisker | I'm gonna sue you for slander NightHawkTheSane |
| 18:06.47 | Fisker | or actually i'm gonna sue freenode for slander |
| 18:06.56 | Fisker | No wait i'll actually sue their ISP for slander |
| 18:07.15 | Fisker | Actually when it comes down to it i'll sue the supreme court for failing to sue them for me |
| 18:07.21 | NightHawkTheSane | technically, I think you want to sue for libel |
| 18:07.54 | kdtresh | is irc considered print? |
| 18:08.04 | Fisker | it's the same actually NightHawkTheSane |
| 18:08.17 | NightHawkTheSane | kdtresh: *shrug* a fine line, i think |
| 18:08.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i could argue it either way, but libel seems more appropriate to me |
| 18:08.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker: not quite. ;) |
| 18:09.31 | Fisker | fu? |
| 18:12.57 | Lunessa | rocks out to "Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies" |
| 18:14.10 | Ackis | http://www.maxim.com/humor/articles/83731/9-best-facebook-beatdowns.html?p=1 |
| 18:14.13 | cogwheel | kdtresh: purl keeps logs that are indexed by google imo... |
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| 18:16.08 | cogwheel | http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS345US345&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=site:ibot.rikers.org+fisker |
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| 18:17.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: good call, the gimmies rock. |
| 18:17.27 | Lunessa | Totally. |
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| 18:23.22 | Antiarc | Okay, so guys, addon idea. |
| 18:23.24 | Antiarc | Here's the pitch: |
| 18:23.30 | Antiarc | You can get statistics for people, right? |
| 18:23.40 | Antiarc | One of those statistics is total damage done. |
| 18:23.41 | Antiarc | Three words: |
| 18:23.44 | Antiarc | Lifetime. Damage. Meters. |
| 18:26.14 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 so |
| 18:26.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ... you can see how much damage a person has done, ever? |
| 18:26.42 | NightHawkTheSane | call me crazy, but i'm not entirely certain how thats valuable |
| 18:26.43 | kdtresh | you can see what armory has recorded |
| 18:26.48 | kdtresh | since armory came into existence |
| 18:27.10 | kdtresh | kinda interesting looking at goldfarmers' stats |
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| 18:27.24 | kdtresh | 18k kills, 17k of them are elementals in northrend |
| 18:27.38 | kdtresh | 6 quests completed, total |
| 18:27.42 | kdtresh | 0 dungeons |
| 18:28.20 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:28.38 | kdtresh | saw a guy go from 50 to 70 in a week without doing a quest or a dungeon |
| 18:29.11 | alestane | That sounds boring. |
| 18:29.21 | kdtresh | well, when you're a bot, it's not so bad, imagine :P |
| 18:29.40 | kdtresh | he ran like an escort npc |
| 18:29.54 | kdtresh | he had a set path, and if something came into his range, he would go kill it |
| 18:30.00 | kdtresh | then return back to the spot where he left his path |
| 18:30.03 | kdtresh | and continue |
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| 18:30.40 | kdtresh | if someone pulled a mob he'd tapped, he'd "forget" it and resume his path |
| 18:30.47 | Thunder_Child | "Join us this Thursday, October 22, at 3:00 PM PDT on Twitter for a developer chat with World of Warcraftâs director of production and game director." it's a virus :( |
| 18:31.15 | Fisker | i'll create a billion spam accounts just to fuck their shitty twit shit fucking up |
| 18:31.23 | nevcairiel | they use twitter for a developer chat? man when did the internet go down the drains |
| 18:31.32 | Thunder_Child | ~Fisker-- |
| 18:31.46 | Fisker | thanks Thunder_Child |
| 18:31.46 | Thunder_Child | *nod nod* |
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| 18:32.19 | Fisker | Hitler is to stuffs as i am to social networking sites |
| 18:32.59 | Subdino | goldberg already ? |
| 18:33.05 | Fisker | godwin? |
| 18:33.07 | Subdino | gah |
| 18:33.25 | Subdino | slaps himself in the face |
| 18:33.25 | Fisker | social networks = godwin on the first line |
| 18:34.51 | Subdino | mmh, is wowace down ? |
| 18:38.22 | Antiarc | I win! |
| 18:38.23 | Antiarc | http://static.wowace.com/content/images/17/660/WoWScrnShot_102009_113325.jpg |
| 18:39.25 | Subdino | mmh |
| 18:39.43 | Subdino | so I guess it is not down |
| 18:39.47 | Subdino | isp peering then ? |
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| 18:42.19 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 18:42.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: what addon makes that tooltip? |
| 18:42.45 | Antiarc | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/experience.aspx |
| 18:42.49 | Antiarc | The one I wrote yesterday! |
| 18:43.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: you, sir, are a factory of awesome. |
| 18:43.42 | nevcairiel | itemlists from wowhead for the individual dungeons? |
| 18:43.42 | Fisker | oomg Antiarc |
| 18:43.43 | Fisker | you are the contributing cancer |
| 18:43.56 | Antiarc | Kill statistics |
| 18:44.03 | nevcairiel | oh wait, everything is in stats now, yea |
| 18:44.11 | Antiarc | Once you kill every boss in an instances <threshold> times you get 100% in that instance |
| 18:44.12 | Fisker | they're not even accurate ;( |
| 18:44.14 | Antiarc | Threshold is 3 by default |
| 18:44.21 | Antiarc | End bosses are weighted more heavily |
| 18:44.34 | Antiarc | So if you just clear the first 20% of an instance over and over it's not going to jack up the score |
| 18:44.34 | nevcairiel | 108% in ulduar 10? |
| 18:44.35 | nevcairiel | wtf :D |
| 18:44.39 | Antiarc | Algalon is a bonue |
| 18:44.41 | Antiarc | bonus* |
| 18:44.46 | Antiarc | 100% is through Yogg |
| 18:44.55 | Antiarc | Algalon makes your e-peen grow three sizes that day. |
| 18:45.08 | Antiarc | (since realistically, most people will never see Algalon) |
| 18:45.24 | Fisker | we had too many bugs and gave up :( |
| 18:45.41 | Fisker | think we had 3 weeks of tries on him |
| 18:45.46 | Fisker | But every week we would have odd bugs |
| 18:46.44 | Fisker | you know what Antiarc? |
| 18:46.54 | Antiarc | No, but I know his brother, Who. |
| 18:46.59 | Fisker | Blizzard should incorporate your cancer in the default ui |
| 18:47.04 | Antiarc | They did |
| 18:47.04 | Fisker | for lfg |
| 18:47.08 | Antiarc | Compare Statistics |
| 18:47.15 | Fisker | for lfg |
| 18:47.17 | Antiarc | I just boiled it down into a weighted, filtered view |
| 18:47.19 | Fisker | in your bum |
| 18:47.59 | Fisker | Experience is a good idea though |
| 18:48.05 | Fisker | or atleast better than gear scores :P |
| 18:48.24 | Antiarc | Gearscore makes me bitter because I'm working on Anub 25 hard and still use ilvl 219 and 200 trinkets |
| 18:48.43 | Antiarc | Because Mjolnir and Death's Verdict won't drop for me, and they are better than my slew of 232s and stuff |
| 18:49.05 | Fisker | btw it says unknown for yourself |
| 18:49.14 | Antiarc | It works for me |
| 18:49.15 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:49.19 | Fisker | hmm |
| 18:49.30 | Fisker | i.e. the tooltip is there it just says "XP: Unknown" |
| 18:49.33 | Fisker | instead of your playername |
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| 18:50.41 | Fisker | people are funny btw |
| 18:50.44 | Subdino | cries at his isp |
| 18:50.54 | Fisker | "ZOMG I WANT REFUND BECAUSE I HAVE TO PUT IN PERSONAL INFO ON MY BATTLE.NET ACCOUNT" |
| 18:51.00 | mikma | fisker: like jim said, people are strange |
| 18:51.01 | Fisker | i call instant account buyer |
| 18:51.26 | Fisker | you must be like retarded to not figure out that you gave out the exact same information during WoW account creation |
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| 18:52.54 | _rane | is it possible to "relay" data to third-party applications using saved variables? |
| 18:52.58 | _rane | without delay |
| 18:53.14 | Lopeppeppy | Without delay? No. |
| 18:53.37 | Lopeppeppy | You can do a kludge and force a reload of the UI to write to an SV file and then get something to read it, I guess, but that involves time. |
| 18:54.02 | Shirik | Wow |
| 18:54.03 | Shirik | interesting quote |
| 18:54.08 | Shirik | "A vision without a plan is merely a dream; with a plan, it's achievable." |
| 18:54.13 | kdtresh | you can't force a reload without a click though |
| 18:54.50 | _rane | I had this idea that an addon would write a player's name in saved variables and this third-party application would detect it and open the armory page for this player |
| 18:55.01 | _rane | but I guess no then :( |
| 18:55.02 | Fisker | oh but you can Lopeppeppy ! |
| 18:55.24 | Fisker | there was that guy who relayed data to third-party applications using the windows time |
| 18:55.37 | Fisker | or something like that |
| 18:55.43 | kdtresh | you would probably be better off using one of the clipboard type things |
| 18:56.00 | kdtresh | if they still exist |
| 18:56.03 | _rane | you can set clipboard through LUA? |
| 18:56.05 | _rane | sorry, Lua |
| 18:56.25 | cogwheel | not in wow |
| 18:56.37 | kdtresh | i think there used to be, at least for urls |
| 18:56.38 | Legorol | Fisker: with regards to personal dataz, people have no right to complain, as the wotlk account upgrade required them to accept that in the future the use of a battle.net account may be mandatory |
| 18:56.38 | cogwheel | that would be exploitable |
| 18:56.54 | Legorol | so anyone who has wotlk has already accepted the situation once, they can't complain now |
| 18:57.00 | cogwheel | since it's available to any other program running on the computer |
| 18:58.33 | cogwheel | _rane: the Lua system is purposefully designed to make that kind of thing impossible. If you find a way, it's likely bannable... |
| 18:59.38 | _rane | :( |
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| 19:00.45 | cogwheel | _rane: any realtime communication with the outside world would immediately make bots much simpler to implement |
| 19:00.49 | Antiarc | _rane: If you're trying to provide a way for people to get data out of game, they can still manually copy text fields |
| 19:00.55 | Antiarc | Check out Chatter's text copy or URL modules |
| 19:01.02 | Antiarc | You just can't automate it |
| 19:01.03 | _rane | had that in mind just now |
| 19:01.16 | _rane | addon opens a field with armory url in it |
| 19:01.38 | _rane | third-party script detects a clipboard change that has armory url in it and opens it in a browser |
| 19:01.57 | A-KO^^ | pretty sure that's bannable |
| 19:01.58 | foxlit | _rane: overkill. |
| 19:02.05 | _rane | bannable? :D |
| 19:02.11 | _rane | and how's that overkill? |
| 19:02.17 | _rane | I like easy |
| 19:02.21 | cogwheel | A-KO^^: i think he means the user would have to copy it manually... read up |
| 19:02.23 | cogwheel | :P |
| 19:02.31 | Antiarc | That wouldn't be bannable, no |
| 19:02.42 | foxlit | It's trivial to open a browser window manually. |
| 19:03.04 | foxlit | While you'd have to distribute a binary to allow your addon to do the same. |
| 19:03.18 | A-KO^^ | I'd be weary of distributing binaries with addons |
| 19:03.28 | _rane | it's for personal use |
| 19:03.33 | cogwheel | yeah, you'll scare away a good chunk of users |
| 19:03.45 | cogwheel | that works :P |
| 19:04.12 | Thrae | So, it seems people with Battle.net merged accounts are having problems logging in. |
| 19:04.12 | A-KO^^ | lol cogwheel, tell me about it. Our addon had a zip file bug that was created with some tool used on a mac (my friend writes stuff on a mac)--usually I clean it but I missed it, and man that freaked people out. |
| 19:04.13 | A-KO^^ | on curse |
| 19:04.42 | foxlit | A-KO^^: I ship zips made on a mac. |
| 19:04.48 | foxlit | Nobody noticed a thing :/ |
| 19:04.53 | A-KO^^ | foxlit: how do you prevent it form having the OSX shit in it? |
| 19:05.07 | nevcairiel | foxlit: you're smart enough to skip the osx metadata in creation =P |
| 19:05.13 | A-KO^^ | and then my friend used another prog, and it did something with encryption, I ignored the error on my pc but didn't think about it when I uploaded it to curse. |
| 19:05.21 | foxlit | To be fair, I'm probably just clueless enough to use zip |
| 19:05.23 | foxlit | Rather than the UI. |
| 19:05.47 | kd3 | Thrae, no problems here. just logged in ok |
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| 19:06.13 | Thrae | Yeah I don't have a merged account and I can login fine |
| 19:06.16 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: you use the cli zip tool to zip your addons on a mac? |
| 19:06.23 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: yep. |
| 19:06.28 | kdtresh | i was gonna merge today during maintenance because i had nothing better to do |
| 19:06.33 | kdtresh | but the merge site was down for maintenance |
| 19:06.34 | Thrae | A-KO^^: So you're A-KO^ on EFNet? :D |
| 19:06.49 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm. might have to write a script to package stuff from github or something |
| 19:07.10 | A-KO^^ | yes Thrae |
| 19:07.11 | A-KO^^ | :P |
| 19:07.43 | NightHawkTheSane | I've used the right-click menu in the past, and got reports that the windows fucked up the dir structure and had some extra files, so i was using some other application to do it (CleanArchiver or something?) |
| 19:08.27 | Thunder_Child | whats the / command to leave a group? |
| 19:08.30 | foxlit | I think it just generates extra files for windows. |
| 19:08.39 | kd3 | tc; /run LeaveParty() |
| 19:08.39 | Subdino | NightHawkTheSane: right click on a mac ? |
| 19:08.44 | Thunder_Child | ty kd3 |
| 19:08.45 | Thrae | A-KO^^: Haha, fancy meeting you here. |
| 19:08.46 | foxlit | All those silly resource forks. |
| 19:08.50 | kd3 | and wtf... software patents on ethernet stuff? |
| 19:08.56 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: github has zips for tags |
| 19:09.00 | kd3 | double-checks what he just read on /. |
| 19:09.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: does it name the directory correctly? downloading the autogenerated zip from master created a funky name |
| 19:10.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Subdino: er, yes? |
| 19:10.17 | Arrowmaster | it probably doesnt have a directory |
| 19:10.24 | Thrae | Blue -- "Look in %username%\AppData\Local\Blizzard Entertainment" ... uhh, I don't think WoW ever made this folder |
| 19:10.51 | Arrowmaster | although i dont know, wowmatrix tried to pull tekkubs addons from github until tekkub fucked with them |
| 19:11.04 | Subdino | NightHawkTheSane: option-click then ;) |
| 19:11.13 | Thrae | The whole reason WoW is in Users\Public\Games is BECAUSE they don't properly use AppData |
| 19:11.50 | A-KO^^ | Thrae |
| 19:11.56 | A-KO^^ | I already bitched about that |
| 19:11.56 | A-KO^^ | a looooooooooooooooooooong time ago |
| 19:11.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Subdino: a) you mean ctrl-click, b) right click also works. |
| 19:11.58 | A-KO^^ | on their beta boards |
| 19:11.59 | A-KO^^ | for wotlk |
| 19:12.05 | A-KO^^ | I made a huge fuss about it |
| 19:12.13 | A-KO^^ | WoW.exe also writes to and checks a registry key in HKLM |
| 19:12.27 | A-KO^^ | it might be different now, but at wotlk release it did ;P |
| 19:12.48 | kd3 | it still does. that's why one of my first instructions for potential PTR installers is to run wow once as admin to get that key updated |
| 19:12.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: i'll have to poke around with it. I haven't messed with githubs zip generation stuff until just this weekend, so |
| 19:13.03 | A-KO^^ | kd3: yeah on every new windows install I always run it once as an admin, just to write that key. |
| 19:13.06 | Thrae | A-KO^^: Yeah, so did I. But hell, a lot of MMOs still sit in Program Files (x86). At least WoW put itself in a better place then that for all its permission doodling. |
| 19:13.44 | A-KO^^ | Thrae: goes back to my conversatoin in the other channel :P |
| 19:13.48 | A-KO^^ | developers are being dumb :( |
| 19:13.59 | A-KO^^ | I personally complained to a friend of mine that works there, too |
| 19:13.59 | kd3 | "being"? |
| 19:14.10 | A-KO^^ | lol |
| 19:14.19 | A-KO^^ | guess that's kind of redundant |
| 19:14.27 | A-KO^^ | pardon the ghetto Baltimore English |
| 19:15.12 | foxlit | "this program is out dated n needs to be updated please, i really need it to help me on rep but since last update its not functioning" << How am I supposed to deal with that? |
| 19:15.18 | Thrae | A-KO^^: For HKLM, did you mean WoW writes to it every now and then or just once after install? |
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| 19:15.36 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: ignore it? |
| 19:15.57 | A-KO^^ | Thrae: when a patch installs to WoW, it checks HKLM to find where WoW is located. WoW.exe writes this when it is run, but if you've got UAC on, that key never gets created--and patching fails. |
| 19:16.14 | foxlit | It's funny when there's another comment that goes "I want to finish off my rep with these guys, thankyou so much for keeping this mod up to date and working ^_^" |
| 19:16.18 | A-KO^^ | wow.exe does it, not launcher |
| 19:16.39 | Thrae | A-KO^^: Ah, so that's why they have UAC trigger. |
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| 19:17.10 | A-KO^^ | I would hope by now that they would have fixed that to do it on install only. It's acceptable at that point, if not a bit of a pain in the ass for those of us who managed multiple WoW installs. |
| 19:17.21 | nevcairiel | Just run WoW once as admin, and the key is created, and all is fine. :) |
| 19:17.21 | A-KO^^ | if you have to write to HKLM, do it on install, not every time the app runs |
| 19:17.26 | A-KO^^ | yeah nevcairiel, of course. |
| 19:17.28 | nevcairiel | iirc, it can even update the key, if it exists |
| 19:17.28 | A-KO^^ | but that's not ideal |
| 19:18.24 | foxlit | A-KO^^: what happens when someone moves your executable? |
| 19:18.24 | A-KO^^ | foxlit: the patch won't find the game |
| 19:18.24 | A-KO^^ | and you won't be able to patch |
| 19:18.24 | A-KO^^ | it's a simple fix |
| 19:18.24 | foxlit | So how is that a better solution? |
| 19:18.24 | Arrowmaster | unless the patch is in the game dir right? |
| 19:18.25 | nevcairiel | not even then, Arrowmaster |
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| 19:21.27 | A-KO^^ | foxlit: the proper configuration is to do it on install only. If the game gets moved, the key needs updated--but really, that's not how it's designed, and doing it manually is the only real way to fix it (this isn't entirely unlike linux applications, which if you do a similar move you would have to update any absolute path configurations also) |
| 19:21.46 | Tepel | I've never had problems with copy/pasting the game |
| 19:21.53 | Tepel | across systems |
| 19:22.29 | A-KO^^ | vista |
| 19:22.31 | A-KO^^ | 7 |
| 19:22.32 | A-KO^^ | with uac :P |
| 19:22.39 | Tepel | Not even on vista |
| 19:22.51 | Tepel | with the most strict uac settings |
| 19:22.54 | cbreak | mac os x |
| 19:22.58 | cbreak | yay! |
| 19:23.00 | Tepel | mac .... |
| 19:23.03 | A-KO^^ | move the game, attempt to run the patch from outside of the game directory |
| 19:23.03 | foxlit | That sounds more like the officially approved failure, A-KO. |
| 19:23.10 | Tepel | Ohh |
| 19:23.13 | Tepel | I never do that |
| 19:23.19 | Tepel | Who does that? |
| 19:23.22 | Tepel | That's silly |
| 19:23.38 | A-KO^^ | foxlit: how is that failure? That's how it's supposed to be, though they could store it in HKCU (current user) and go from there, which is also acceptable, and would bypass any UAC Problems. |
| 19:24.24 | A-KO^^ | Tepel: when you reinstall Windows but not reinstall WoW ; but run WoW--it will work, but unless you run as admin first, the reg key that gets created so the patch knows where the game is isn't written. So patching afterwards doesn't work |
| 19:24.26 | A-KO^^ | and lots of people do that |
| 19:24.28 | foxlit | "Officially approved" because that's "how it's supposed to be"; "failure" because it results in undesirable behavior. |
| 19:25.10 | A-KO^^ | foxlit: or, as I said, they could write it in HKCU. That's not ideal, if you have multipe people that use a computer, then you get 5 duplications of the same registry config--but it would bypass the issue :P |
| 19:25.22 | A-KO^^ | and be transparent to 99% of the people that use it |
| 19:25.30 | A-KO^^ | and nobody would care about a single registry key |
| 19:25.41 | Tepel | Does anyone ever care about the registry |
| 19:25.47 | Tepel | It's a messed up system |
| 19:25.57 | A-KO^^ | eh, that's up for another debate :P |
| 19:26.01 | A-KO^^ | just saying how it could be avoided/fixed |
| 19:26.11 | kd3 | oh no... 5 copies of... 5 registry keys? whatever will I do wasting maybe a few KB of registry space? |
| 19:26.27 | A-KO^^ | lol kd3, exaclty |
| 19:27.08 | Thrae | A-KO^^: I'm having my friend delete her WoW registry keys in a blind attempt to fix her problem. Something the Blues should have thought of... |
| 19:27.45 | A-KO^^ | kd3, as Thrae would tell you, I've done a ton of bitching about developers not doing shit "properly" in Windows, and complaining when shit doesn't work :P |
| 19:27.51 | Thrae | I doubt it will work. Seems to be a problem with Battle.net accounts connecting to the Battle.net auth server. |
| 19:27.59 | A-KO^^ | Thrae: I haven't heard of any issue |
| 19:28.06 | kd3 | is still not seeing any issues logging in via his bnet account |
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| 19:28.13 | foxlit | Tbh, the proper fix would be to authenticate writes to application-specific areas of HKLM registry. |
| 19:28.22 | Thrae | kd3: I thought you were in Europe? |
| 19:28.33 | kd3 | negative; I live in the states |
| 19:28.40 | Thrae | Ah |
| 19:29.07 | foxlit | So WoW would always have permission to write to the registry if it's signed with the same key. |
| 19:29.21 | foxlit | s/registry/WoW-specific area of the registry/ |
| 19:29.28 | A-KO^^ | foxlit: Perhaps, but Windows still operates on the concept of user security, rather than application security--so such a system is unlikely. |
| 19:29.33 | A-KO^^ | but they might, moving forward :P |
| 19:29.48 | Thrae | A-KO^^: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20566359215&sid=1&pageNo=1, up to 85 pages |
| 19:30.06 | foxlit | has been tricked the last 5 out of 8 times. |
| 19:30.07 | A-KO^^ | Thrae: eh I'll find out later what the problem was |
| 19:30.14 | A-KO^^ | tricked? |
| 19:30.19 | Thrae | 10/20 15:06:30.664 GRUNT: state: LOGIN_STATE_FAILED result: LOGIN_AUTH_OUTAGE |
| 19:30.21 | foxlit | hallow's end. |
| 19:30.24 | A-KO^^ | oh |
| 19:30.31 | A-KO^^ | lol Thrae |
| 19:30.31 | A-KO^^ | nice |
| 19:30.34 | foxlit | And I still don't have a toothpick. |
| 19:30.36 | Antiarc | Arbor Networks recently studied Internet traffic patterns and found that U.S. Internet traffic usually reaches its highest point of the day at about 11 p.m. Eastern time and stays pretty high until about 3 a.m. Whatâs keeping Internet users up at night? |
| 19:30.37 | A-KO^^ | I'll find out who broke it |
| 19:30.41 | Antiarc | One is gaming. Arbor found that World of Warcraftâs Battlenet traffic jumps 30% exactly at 8 p.m., which is apparently a popular time for WoW guilds to kick off quests. Traffic from Battlenet peaks around 11 p.m. and then drops off rapidly. |
| 19:30.57 | A-KO^^ | lol Antiarc |
| 19:31.01 | A-KO^^ | WoW doesn't really use a whole lot of traffic |
| 19:31.04 | A-KO^^ | though ti's really spikey |
| 19:31.09 | Antiarc | When you have 11 million subs you do |
| 19:31.12 | A-KO^^ | it can use from 3KB-20KB/sec |
| 19:31.15 | A-KO^^ | individually |
| 19:31.19 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/10/20/funny-pictures-is-watching-you/ |
| 19:31.22 | Antiarc | Right, but think about that coupled with vent traffic |
| 19:31.25 | Antiarc | They go hand-in-hand |
| 19:31.28 | foxlit | Have 3 stacks on the wrong character, though |
| 19:31.47 | cogwheel | chuckles at http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/execution-in-kingdom-of-nouns.html |
| 19:35.29 | Thrae | OK, seems like latest news is that people who have cancelled accounts but still have game time left are getting refused by one of the auth servers. They can't even login to Account Management right now. |
| 19:35.59 | foxlit | mwhahaha, sweet revenge. |
| 19:36.14 | Tepel | hmmm |
| 19:36.16 | Tepel | Let me try that out |
| 19:36.38 | Tepel | EU works fine |
| 19:37.07 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: he's always fairly amusing :) |
| 19:37.44 | cogwheel | reminded me of The Phantom Tollbooth |
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| 19:39.59 | alestane | "I don't know of any wrong road to Dictionopolis, so if this road goes to Dictionopolis at all it must be the right road, and if it doesn't than it must be the right road to somewhere because there are no wrong roads to anywhere." |
| 19:40.28 | Fisker | baww Thrae |
| 19:41.35 | Fisker | griefing is fun btw |
| 19:41.50 | Fisker | you'd thought that they only locked out people who try to brute your account |
| 19:41.55 | Fisker | but naw they just close down your account |
| 19:41.58 | Fisker | i lol'd |
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| 19:42.34 | Fisker | think i'll abuse Kaelten's login or something |
| 19:42.36 | Fisker | or someone elses |
| 19:42.57 | cogwheel | I was in an elementary school play adaptation of The Phantom Tollbooth with the person who was in 2nd place here: http://www.ourstage.com/contests/3176-mtv-vma-best-breakout-bay-area |
| 19:44.05 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: um, grats? :P |
| 19:44.20 | cogwheel | chuckles |
| 19:44.56 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 19:45.00 | Fisker | just out of curiosity |
| 19:45.03 | Fisker | what is your e-mail? |
| 19:45.10 | Fisker | preferably with battle.net accounts attached |
| 19:45.43 | cogwheel | NOU@fiskersmom.net |
| 19:45.43 | Fisker | i'm not quite sure that's legit |
| 19:45.52 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a perfectly valid email address |
| 19:46.02 | Subdino | no need, elementary school name is enough to recover the account |
| 19:46.04 | Fisker | i'd have to say that the .net seemed a bit fake |
| 19:46.11 | cogwheel | "So is this"@example.com |
| 19:46.23 | Lunessa | Jesus this guy at work is pissing me off. |
| 19:46.24 | NightHawkTheSane | true, your mom's more of a .org kind of chick. |
| 19:46.29 | Ackis | fiskersmom.net is like the most visited page on teh interweb |
| 19:46.48 | cogwheel | Lunessa: What's Jesus doing at your work? |
| 19:47.01 | cogwheel | o wait. .. texas... lots of Jesuses there, huh? |
| 19:47.07 | cogwheel | is going to hell |
| 19:47.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Spellshaper1 (n=Spellsha@dslb-084-057-247-030.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:47.24 | Lunessa | "Upgrade my computer" "Your computer is on the update schedule. You don't get moved ahead of everyone else." "Well XP is too slow - upgrade me now." |
| 19:47.46 | Lunessa | "NO YOU UPGRADE ME NOW DON'T MAKE ME ANGRY RAWR" |
| 19:47.51 | zenzelezz | install Windows 98 on his PC, that should run faster |
| 19:47.59 | kd3 | yay; f12beta's hit GA. |
| 19:48.14 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy (n=Mike@c-68-38-45-3.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 19:48.55 | foxlit | "the Light of Dawn" << you too may be named after the DK quest. |
| 19:49.02 | Lunessa | I'm getting angry because he won't listen and demands that I should just run down to his office and install Windows 7 and install anything else he wants installed and give him a Cisco VPN 64 bit client... all RIGHT NOW |
| 19:49.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: move him to the end of the queue |
| 19:49.35 | zenzelezz | I still vote for my idea |
| 19:49.40 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: qua? |
| 19:49.48 | ZorbaTHut | wtb 32-slot bags :( |
| 19:49.59 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: that's the realm-first kill of arthas hardmode title :) |
| 19:50.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaso (n=Kaso@host217-43-240-6.range217-43.btcentralplus.com) |
| 19:50.35 | Ackis | wtb questhelper that's not a keylogger!!!!! ZorbaTHut !!!!! |
| 19:50.37 | Ackis | :D |
| 19:50.38 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: He's got full admin rights. |
| 19:50.43 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 19:50.47 | Fisker | there ain't no rest for the wicked |
| 19:51.01 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: :( damn, that's a sweet title |
| 19:51.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: er, and? :P |
| 19:51.17 | zenzelezz | I tried QuestHelper, but I realised it was spying on my quest progress :( |
| 19:51.42 | Lunessa | He could install his own software - and he has been which is why his computer is screwed up already. |
| 19:52.33 | Lunessa | And since he didn't get what he wanted from me, he's now talking the ear off someone else here. |
| 19:53.17 | ZorbaTHut | I'm constantly amazed at how many people apparently install the WoW trial in "......\world of warcraft (trail)\WoW.exe" |
| 19:53.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: The World of Warcraft Trail? |
| 19:53.48 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: why the hell does he think windows 7 will be faster than his windows xp? |
| 19:54.07 | Arrowmaster | does he have all kinds of adware spyware and malware on his xp? |
| 19:54.44 | A-KO^^ | probably |
| 19:54.52 | A-KO^^ | I really don't know what it is,but I could video my vista boot on my work desktop |
| 19:54.54 | A-KO^^ | I counted |
| 19:55.01 | A-KO^^ | it's 20 seconds from BIOS to password screen |
| 19:55.01 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Because he just does. And he's angry because we won't just give him whatever he wants. Everything here goes through a committee and I don't get to circumvent that. And he wants more than he's entitled. |
| 19:55.02 | Tepel | Lunessa: time for the cattle-prod |
| 19:55.09 | Tepel | or a sledgehammer |
| 19:55.18 | Tepel | or a soundproof safe in the basement |
| 19:55.35 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: just put him on hold and then 'forget' he was still on hold |
| 19:55.36 | ZorbaTHut | man, that's one thing I hate about halloween. it jams my inventory full of so much junk |
| 19:56.02 | Tepel | Look here for more suggestions: http://www.theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh/ |
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| 19:59.19 | Lunessa | Haha... The number two man in the University just told the guy "No. Leave my department staff alone." Hahahaha |
| 20:06.21 | foxlit | "Mac OS X even regulates processor activity between keystrokes, saving milliwatts of power" |
| 20:06.36 | foxlit | "We're hard at work making your machine do nothing." |
| 20:08.45 | Cide- | how do you regulate processor activity *between* keystrokes? |
| 20:08.52 | Lunessa | Here at Yoyodyne Propulsion systems, the future begins tomorrow! |
| 20:08.54 | Shirik | rofl |
| 20:09.08 | cbreak | turning parts of the cpu off |
| 20:09.11 | Shirik | where did you read this foxlit? |
| 20:09.20 | Cide- | a keystroke is a *pretty* instantaneous event |
| 20:09.27 | foxlit | http://images.apple.com/macbook/images/environment_watts_20091020.jpg |
| 20:09.27 | Shirik | the keyboard (should) operate as an interrupt |
| 20:09.54 | Shirik | there should be no processor activity between then |
| 20:09.54 | cbreak | yes, but the time between is long |
| 20:09.54 | Shirik | them |
| 20:10.03 | Cide- | I like how the first spike occurs before the A |
| 20:10.10 | Cide- | how does it predict this stuff?! |
| 20:10.12 | foxlit | the last is before the E |
| 20:10.23 | foxlit | In fact, only the Ps are after the marks. |
| 20:10.25 | Cide- | that too |
| 20:10.26 | Shirik | it's a bunch of marketing crap imo |
| 20:10.28 | cbreak | it doesn't have to predict anything. just sleep until next event |
| 20:10.35 | Shirik | it DOES |
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| 20:10.37 | Shirik | it's a processor |
| 20:10.39 | Cide- | which occurs before the actual event? |
| 20:10.41 | Shirik | Apple didn't invent shit |
| 20:11.13 | Shirik | unless they're saying "if you don't push a key, we don't let the computer work hard" |
| 20:11.20 | Dewin | Shirik: Correct. They simple repackage it, make it ultra-shiny, and use the Reality Distortion Field(tm) to sell it. |
| 20:11.29 | Thrae | Does anyone know what happens if WoW is set to Realtime priority on a Dual Core? I'm guessing it'll use up all the resources Vista/7 will give it and ALT+TAB would be futile. |
| 20:11.42 | Shirik | don't do that |
| 20:11.43 | A-KO^^ | lol |
| 20:11.45 | Shirik | very bad idea |
| 20:11.57 | Subdino | reminds me of an irq oddness on a box... moving the mouse faster made the screen buffer refresh faster |
| 20:12.03 | Shirik | realtime priority is reserved for extremely important things. NO application should run realtime |
| 20:12.09 | Shirik | Threads might run realtime, but not an entire process |
| 20:12.12 | Cide- | ... except porn |
| 20:12.15 | Thrae | Yeah, I'll just have her try High. |
| 20:12.19 | Shirik | process realtime is reserved for things like the mouse |
| 20:12.24 | Cide- | porn should always be on realtime |
| 20:12.30 | Shirik | I'm willing to bet if you set wow's process to realtime you will lose functionality of the mouse |
| 20:12.33 | Shirik | which will be pretty lol |
| 20:12.36 | A-KO^^ | haha |
| 20:12.38 | A-KO^^ | try it |
| 20:12.44 | Dewin | Cide: I agree, porn should alwa... ...buffering... |
| 20:13.04 | Thrae | I can't try it on my machine, as I don't have a Dual Core :D |
| 20:13.16 | foxlit | Shirik: there are granularities of realtime your machine is capable of accepting. |
| 20:14.22 | foxlit | My mouse still works. |
| 20:14.41 | Subdino | Shirik: isn't/wasn't the print spool process in real time priority on windows ? |
| 20:14.53 | cbreak | that sounds useless |
| 20:14.56 | cbreak | printers are so slow |
| 20:14.58 | ZorbaTHut | I don't even think WoW supports dualcore in any meaningful manner, does it? |
| 20:15.14 | Shirik | My print spooler is currently running at normal priority |
| 20:15.14 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Not in a meaningful manner, no, but it supports it |
| 20:15.24 | ZorbaTHut | well, as in, it runs on dualcore, but it runs on one core |
| 20:15.31 | ZorbaTHut | so putting it to realtime on a dualcore box ought to be just fine |
| 20:15.33 | Subdino | then it is probably an out of date info |
| 20:15.46 | foxlit | Perhaps the issue is that it doesn't saturate the CPU. |
| 20:15.55 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: No, WoW uses more then one core if available, but I don't think it does anything special on the other core |
| 20:15.58 | ZorbaTHut | puts to to realtime on his quadcore box, observes absolutely no difference, puts it back |
| 20:15.59 | foxlit | So there's still time left for the non-realtime stuff. |
| 20:16.21 | ZorbaTHut | I've never seen it use more than 25% of my CPU, though. so if it's doing stuff on the other core, it's not doing much on the other core |
| 20:16.36 | Ackis | doesn't the sound system go on the second core? |
| 20:16.56 | Subdino | ah, good to hear that. I was wondering if it was some wine limitation here |
| 20:17.00 | Thrae | ZorbaTHut: Using RivaTuner I definitely see Core 1 being used |
| 20:17.34 | Thunder_Child | wow doesnt use more than once core |
| 20:18.07 | Thunder_Child | s/once/one |
| 20:19.22 | Dewin | Thunder_Child: It does. |
| 20:19.50 | Dewin | At least, there's a cvar saying how many cores to use |
| 20:20.27 | Thunder_Child | that might be there for future use |
| 20:20.40 | Dewin | http://www.wowwiki.com/CVar_processAffinityMask |
| 20:21.27 | Fisker | slaps Dewin around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:21.41 | Thrae | Hmm, maybe I was mistaken. I'd have to go raiding to see if it really uses Core 1 |
| 20:21.44 | Dewin | it's not fully distributed though from what I just read, but some tasks will be offloaded to the second (third? fourth?) CPU |
| 20:22.09 | Thrae | Core 3 is getting a little workout, but that's probably the other processes. |
| 20:22.37 | Shirik | Someone please check my logic |
| 20:22.40 | Shirik | I have a homework question |
| 20:22.50 | Dewin | Thrae: The default for any multi-core system is to only use the first two cores. |
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| 20:23.04 | Shirik | For all integers n>=1 prove 2^(2n-1) is divisible by 3 |
| 20:23.16 | Thrae | Dewin: You mean in WoW. |
| 20:23.19 | Shirik | and I'm looking at it like 2^(2n-1), n=1, 2 is not divisible by 3... |
| 20:23.28 | Dewin | Thrae: Yes. |
| 20:23.47 | Dewin | So unless you've changed processAffinityMask and restarted, you won't see any activity beyond that. |
| 20:23.57 | Dewin | assuming it works as advertised |
| 20:24.26 | foxlit | Shirik: you appear to be correct. |
| 20:24.32 | Fisker | lol |
| 20:24.41 | Fisker | "The biggest benefit of using IWnet by far is the fact that you don't have to worry about joining a server full of aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters," |
| 20:24.52 | Fisker | What you think i'm stupid? My PC's not a Console, DUH!!!!!!! |
| 20:25.48 | *** join/#wowuidev TC-Touch (n=irchon@76.171.31.86) |
| 20:26.24 | TC-Touch | hmmm...I just set it to 85 started wow and crashed my system |
| 20:27.06 | Fisker | wtf TC-Touch |
| 20:27.11 | Dewin | you have 8 cores? >.> |
| 20:27.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: unless i'm having a complete brain meltdown, is that even true for any n? |
| 20:27.25 | Shirik | I think |
| 20:27.30 | TC-Touch | ya I have an i7 |
| 20:27.30 | Fisker | why not just use all 8? |
| 20:27.30 | Shirik | he meant 2^(2n) - 1 |
| 20:28.08 | NightHawkTheSane | that sounds correct |
| 20:28.08 | Dewin | Also, a GM post I see while poking around says that WoW is still limited to two cores, processAffinityMask just tells it which cores to consider using |
| 20:28.14 | foxlit | 7, Shirik? |
| 20:28.21 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:28.24 | foxlit | curse you, 2. |
| 20:28.34 | foxlit | It's 3, 15 |
| 20:28.36 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO2rW1alVv8 |
| 20:28.39 | Fisker | naw Dewin |
| 20:28.41 | foxlit | </nonsense> |
| 20:28.49 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: you're making less sense than usual |
| 20:29.50 | Sesshu | (mikma): rofl! |
| 20:29.55 | foxlit | I was pondering the second number in that sequence. |
| 20:30.25 | foxlit | So I was thinking like: 4 multiplied by 2 gives 8, minus 1 is 7, which isn't divisible by 3. |
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| 20:30.39 | foxlit | However, it's 2^(2n), so it's actually 4 by 4 = 16 minus 1 = 15. |
| 20:35.02 | Cide- | <Shirik> For all integers n>=1 prove 2^(2n-1) is divisible by 3 |
| 20:35.14 | Cide- | oh |
| 20:35.20 | Cide- | 2^(2n)-1 |
| 20:35.40 | Shirik | ânâ¥5,2n+1<2â´(n+1)^2<2^(n+1) QED |
| 20:35.43 | Shirik | I love how ugly math is |
| 20:36.02 | Shirik | (last line in my proof) |
| 20:36.03 | Cide- | I can't see half of what you just typed |
| 20:36.06 | Sesshu | nâ¥5,2n+1<2â´(n+1)^2<2^(n+1) QED |
| 20:36.07 | Sesshu | (22:35:45) (@Shirik) |
| 20:36.07 | Shirik | rofl |
| 20:36.10 | Sesshu | ups |
| 20:36.10 | foxlit | for all n > 5, 2 n +1 < 2? |
| 20:36.16 | Sesshu | â |
| 20:36.20 | Sesshu | this one is nice |
| 20:36.25 | Sesshu | A â |
| 20:36.27 | Sesshu | xD |
| 20:36.32 | Shirik | yes foxlit |
| 20:36.44 | Sesshu | what does â mean? |
| 20:36.48 | Shirik | for all |
| 20:36.54 | foxlit | Shirik: how does that even make sense? |
| 20:37.00 | Shirik | oops |
| 20:37.01 | Cide- | it doesn't |
| 20:37.02 | foxlit | Clealry 10 + 1 > 2, not < 2 |
| 20:37.09 | Shirik | I think I mistyped |
| 20:37.13 | Shirik | one sec |
| 20:37.46 | Shirik | yes it's the wrong way :) |
| 20:37.53 | *** part/#wowuidev Subdino (n=vincent@ALille-154-1-13-191.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:38.04 | Shirik | wait no |
| 20:38.05 | Shirik | it should be |
| 20:38.06 | Cide- | what? |
| 20:38.29 | Shirik | ânâ¥5,2n+1<2^nâ´(n+1)^2<2^(n+1) QED |
| 20:38.38 | Shirik | that makes more sense :) |
| 20:38.39 | Cide- | I can't see your symbols |
| 20:38.44 | Shirik | 2n+1 < 2^n |
| 20:38.47 | Cide- | ok |
| 20:39.13 | Shirik | l2mathfont |
| 20:39.44 | Shirik | Sesshu, if you think that's bad |
| 20:39.54 | Sesshu | hm? |
| 20:40.07 | Shirik | âx(âyâz((F(z,y)âªM(z,y) )â©B(x,y) )â~(âpâq((F(q,p)âªM(q,p) )â©S(x,p) ) ) ) |
| 20:40.09 | Shirik | From the last homework |
| 20:40.13 | Sesshu | hm |
| 20:40.20 | foxlit | what, no fancy negation symbol? |
| 20:40.25 | Sesshu | >.< |
| 20:40.25 | Shirik | word doesn't have it! |
| 20:40.27 | Shirik | it's BS |
| 20:40.35 | doobius | discrete math is the worst |
| 20:40.37 | Shirik | and I wasn't going to go find it |
| 20:40.40 | Cide- | best! |
| 20:40.44 | foxlit | \neg |
| 20:40.46 | foxlit | You fool. |
| 20:40.58 | Shirik | Word != TeX |
| 20:41.21 | foxlit | No excuse for not using TeX in the first place. |
| 20:41.39 | Cide- | tex is ugly to read |
| 20:41.42 | Cide- | s/ugly/fugly/ |
| 20:43.52 | foxlit | You could always read the PDF instead. |
| 20:44.28 | Cide- | clearly |
| 20:45.54 | foxlit | Beyond the sometimes-present }}}}}}}}}}}}} sequences, it's actually one of the easier markup languages to compose in, in my personal experience. |
| 20:46.36 | kd3 | 48508580 closing brackets? ooh, are we editing wiki templates again? |
| 20:46.37 | kd3 | winces |
| 20:46.45 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:46.47 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 20:46.52 | Fisker | i got your login |
| 20:47.01 | kd3 | sure you do |
| 20:47.37 | foxlit | To verify that fisker does indeed have your log in, send your log in details to fisker@fisker.fisker. |
| 20:47.39 | Lunessa | Fisker: Fail troll is fail |
| 20:47.57 | cogwheel | 12345 |
| 20:48.02 | kd3 | dammit, the .fisker domain went live? what the hell is icann doing? |
| 20:48.05 | cogwheel | oh crap... now i need to change the combo on my luggage |
| 20:49.51 | Fisker | not at all Lunessa |
| 20:50.05 | Shirik | kd3, seriously? |
| 20:50.08 | Fisker | well it really took off since i got Denmark renamed to Fiskerland per Bruners' request |
| 20:50.15 | Fisker | anyways kd3 |
| 20:50.20 | NightHawkTheSane | the day the .fisker tld goes live, i will officially become a hermit in the back woods of washington |
| 20:50.25 | Fisker | i'm bruteforcing your battle.net account and locking out your account ;3 |
| 20:50.29 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:50.33 | kd3 | have fun with that |
| 20:50.42 | Lunessa | NHTS we'll start a commune. Bring wimmins |
| 20:50.49 | Fisker | you don't play or what kd3? :E |
| 20:50.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: what? i thought you were supposed to bring the wimmins? .. shit. |
| 20:51.06 | kd3 | oh I do. you don't have my account, though. ;) |
| 20:51.35 | Lunessa | kd3 has like a 200-character password and an authenticator. |
| 20:51.40 | Fisker | doesn't matter |
| 20:51.57 | Fisker | Putting in gibberish will lock out the account if done enough times |
| 20:52.14 | krka | hm, i think i have a fairly elegant proof for the 2^(2n) - 1 thingy |
| 20:52.26 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3 has a randomly generated 255 character email address, with a TLD that uses multi-byte unicode characters as well. |
| 20:52.43 | Fisker | doesn't matter |
| 20:52.43 | *** join/#wowuidev bleeter_ (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 20:52.47 | Fisker | i have ctrl+c |
| 20:52.54 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 20:53.18 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3 is also neo. |
| 20:53.49 | kd3 | horrifically bad acting? yup. |
| 20:53.53 | Lunessa | So, he says "Whoa." and "Hrm, upgrades." alot? |
| 20:54.03 | krka | 2^(2n) - 1 = (2^n - 1) * (2^n + 1), and since atleast one of X, X + 1 or X + 2 must be divisible by 3, then 2^N - 1 or 2^N + 1 must be divisible by 3, since 2^n is always even for n > 0 |
| 20:54.25 | Fisker | I'm Agent Smith |
| 20:54.35 | *** join/#wowuidev evonder (n=evonder@adsl-71-131-177-157.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 20:54.36 | Fisker | He says Mr. Anderson and Why? |
| 20:54.45 | foxlit | applauds krka |
| 20:55.05 | Lunessa | Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? It is the sound of inevitability. |
| 20:55.09 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 20:55.17 | foxlit | in fact, s/at least one/exactly one/ |
| 20:55.20 | krka | yeah |
| 20:55.20 | Fisker | was kinda awesome when you saw it |
| 20:55.24 | krka | i was just going to change that :/ |
| 20:55.26 | Fisker | But kinda silly when you think back on it |
| 20:55.26 | Fisker | :E |
| 20:55.49 | NightHawkTheSane | krka: wow, thats clever. |
| 20:56.22 | krka | i just did some random algebraic manipulations on 2^(2n)-1 until i noticed i could do a a^2 - b^2 = (a-b)(a+b) transform |
| 20:57.50 | foxlit | 2^(2n) - 1 = 4^n - 1 = (3 +1)^n - 1 |
| 20:57.57 | Shirik | krka: Was meant to do it with mathematical induction tbh |
| 20:58.03 | Shirik | I didn't say that |
| 20:58.08 | Shirik | but that's how it should have been proven :) |
| 20:58.21 | foxlit | Expanding (3+1)^n results with a 3 in all terms but 1^n, and that's eaten by the -1 |
| 20:58.50 | krka | never any fun to prove it the intended way |
| 20:59.13 | krka | binomial... nice! |
| 21:03.41 | krka | it's surprisingly fun to solve math problems when it's been ages since you were at school |
| 21:04.57 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:05.04 | Shirik | and be like "why did I ever have trouble with this?" |
| 21:05.10 | Shirik | or perhaps "why the hell can't I do this anymore?" |
| 21:05.15 | krka | the latter :/ |
| 21:05.52 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:09.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i -almost- miss solving math problems. |
| 21:11.43 | kdtresh | i didn't mind the proofs in my theory of positive integers class |
| 21:12.44 | kdtresh | it's nice when you can ignore things like zero and fractions and negative numbers |
| 21:13.18 | foxlit | Found an unprovable but valid statement yet? :) |
| 21:13.31 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: yeah, i remember enjoying my discrete math classes for similar reasons |
| 21:13.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Mikk (n=Mikk@WoWUIDev/mikk) |
| 21:14.08 | krka | I have an unprovable statement, but i can't prove its unprovability :/ |
| 21:14.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart krka |
| 21:14.19 | purl | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs krka |
| 21:14.54 | Sesshu | the guy who made purl must be crazy |
| 21:15.44 | Tepel | 1 + 1 = -2? |
| 21:16.05 | Sesshu | -1 + -1 = -2 |
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| 21:16.46 | foxlit | 6 * 9 = 42 |
| 21:17.00 | Tepel | no no, there was some logic behind 1+1=-2 |
| 21:17.02 | Tepel | Can't remember |
| 21:17.19 | foxlit | signed overflow. |
| 21:17.25 | Tepel | Not that |
| 21:17.31 | Shirik | foxlit: P=NP |
| 21:17.34 | foxlit | Why the heck not? |
| 21:17.49 | foxlit | 01 + 01 = 11 == -2 |
| 21:18.05 | Shirik | um |
| 21:18.08 | Shirik | 11 would be -1 |
| 21:18.12 | Shirik | I don't see how it can be -2 |
| 21:18.21 | foxlit | That's because it's 10 |
| 21:18.23 | Shirik | either one's compliment or two's |
| 21:18.27 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:18.29 | Shirik | yeah :) |
| 21:19.08 | foxlit | Shirik: I think the problem there is that you aren't even sure that's valid. |
| 21:19.22 | Shirik | it is for 2'b10 |
| 21:19.29 | Shirik | (yay verilog!) |
| 21:19.30 | foxlit | (NP) |
| 21:19.33 | Tepel | 1+1 = sqrt((1+1)^2) |
| 21:19.33 | Tepel | sqrt((1+1)^2) = sqrt(2^2) |
| 21:19.33 | Tepel | sqrt(2^2) = sqrt(4) |
| 21:19.33 | Tepel | sqrt(4) = sqrt(-2^2) |
| 21:19.33 | Tepel | sqrt(-2^2) = -2 |
| 21:19.34 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:19.38 | Shirik | perhaps |
| 21:19.48 | Shirik | but you can't prove it's not valid! |
| 21:19.55 | Tepel | aha! |
| 21:20.04 | Shirik | Tepel: That is flawed |
| 21:20.07 | Tepel | It is |
| 21:20.12 | Tepel | But it's still funny |
| 21:20.34 | Shirik | there's a lot of invalid proofs like that |
| 21:21.04 | Shirik | Assume a=b. a^2=ab, a^2-b^2 = ab-b^2, (a+b)(a-b)=b(a-b), a+b=b, b+b=b, 2b=1b, 2=1 |
| 21:21.10 | Sesshu | sqrt(-2^2) = error |
| 21:21.29 | Shirik | it's not really an "error" |
| 21:21.36 | Shirik | your assumption at the beginning is flawed |
| 21:21.41 | Shirik | 1+1 = sqrt((1+1)^2) |
| 21:21.43 | Shirik | that is not true |
| 21:21.46 | Sesshu | lua> sqrt(-2^2) |
| 21:21.46 | lua_bot | Sesshu: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'sqrt' (a nil value) |
| 21:21.53 | Shirik | sqrt(n) has two values, not one |
| 21:21.56 | Sesshu | lua> math.sqrt(-2^2) |
| 21:21.57 | lua_bot | Sesshu: nan |
| 21:22.04 | Shirik | we simply simplify it to the positive value |
| 21:22.09 | Ackis | http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1792949 |
| 21:22.35 | Tepel | huh |
| 21:22.41 | Tepel | Now I don't get it |
| 21:22.58 | Tepel | I know the error is at suddenly adding the negative part like Sesshu says |
| 21:23.06 | Tepel | So I don't see the problem with the first statement |
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| 21:23.17 | Shirik | 4 does in fact equal -2^2 |
| 21:23.21 | Shirik | there is nothing wrong with that |
| 21:23.34 | Shirik | The problem is that n != sqrt(n^2) |
| 21:23.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik is saying that sqrt(4) is both 2 and -2 |
| 21:24.51 | foxlit | Put some parenthesis in there before we think you're claiming 4 is -4. |
| 21:25.59 | Tepel | Aha! Now I get what you're saying |
| 21:26.07 | Tepel | Yeah, that's what I had in my mind |
| 21:26.41 | NightHawkTheSane | alternately, your last line is also flawed, sqrt(-2^2) = -2, becaues it's ALSO 2. |
| 21:26.42 | Tepel | For a moment I was thinking sqrt had a hidden return value which I knew nothing about |
| 21:27.02 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 21:27.47 | TC-Away | i like the pricing style these guys are doing http://forum.globalagendagame.com/gablog/index.php/2009/10/20/global-agenda-pricing-details-announced/ |
| 21:28.05 | Ackis | H1N1 everybody panic! |
| 21:28.52 | Tepel | swine flu? |
| 21:28.59 | Sesshu | panics |
| 21:29.15 | Tepel | Meh, swine flu does not concern me |
| 21:29.42 | Tepel | I am devoid of social interaction, therefore it is highly unlikely I'll get it |
| 21:30.22 | Tepel | Unless, is it digitally transferrable?! |
| 21:30.30 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: That's similar, but not idendtical to Guild Wars. |
| 21:30.31 | Tepel | Cause then I'd be in a pickle! |
| 21:30.33 | Shirik | cogwheel, or anyone good at C++, I have a fun design question for you |
| 21:30.40 | NightHawkTheSane | offers Ackis up as a sacrifice to the goddess Hygeia |
| 21:31.03 | Thunder_Child | sighs at the world server being down |
| 21:31.25 | Tepel | That could be taken the wrong way in a non-gaming context |
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| 21:32.38 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn|afk: you're the best cair, thanks for the mod move :* |
| 21:32.42 | Josh_Borke | erm, :) rather |
| 21:32.43 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 21:32.47 | Cairenn|afk | huggles Josh_Borke |
| 21:33.18 | cogwheel | huggles Josh_Borke |
| 21:33.18 | Josh_Borke | purl, hug cogwheel |
| 21:33.19 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs cogwheel |
| 21:33.19 | Josh_Borke | kicks purl |
| 21:33.22 | Thunder_Child | ~cheeseslap Josh_Borke |
| 21:33.23 | purl | ACTION slaps Josh_Borke around with a slice of cheddar |
| 21:33.41 | Josh_Borke | ~birthday Thunder_Child |
| 21:33.42 | purl | ACTION Happy Birthday to you, Happy birthday to you!, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEEEAARR Thunder_Child, Happy Birthday toooo yoooou! |
| 21:34.01 | Thunder_Child | sighs |
| 21:35.21 | Shirik | cogwheel: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/0b54c0bfc00f17be5eb4c88b601d4e87.jpg |
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| 21:35.32 | Josh_Borke | ok, with that, i'm out. thanks again :) |
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| 21:35.44 | Shirik | let us assume we have some kind of query, like "SELECT foo FROM bar WHERE a=?" |
| 21:36.09 | Shirik | We want to separate this into two elements: literal `SELECT foo FROM bar WHERE a=` followed by a parameter |
| 21:36.18 | Shirik | (maybe IntParameter, doesn't matter) |
| 21:36.56 | Shirik | we want to be able to control that parameter in a query |
| 21:37.12 | Shirik | we were hoping for something like query.GetParameter(0).SetValue(1) |
| 21:37.42 | Shirik | but that won't work because, even if GetParameter() returns a ParameterSqlToken, the SetValue signature is not consistent |
| 21:37.57 | Shirik | we could cast it, but that's a bit more annoying |
| 21:38.19 | Shirik | so right now we're looking at a template method that handles the upcast |
| 21:38.47 | Shirik | but still that means query.GetParameter<IntParameter>(0).SetValue(1) |
| 21:38.58 | Shirik | have any suggestions on design to make this work cleanly? :) |
| 21:39.15 | Tepel | specify the type in the query? |
| 21:39.22 | Shirik | that's not the problem |
| 21:39.29 | Shirik | the problem is the actual code that sets the value |
| 21:39.39 | Shirik | it needs to make some kind of call to set the value |
| 21:39.58 | Tepel | Oh right, can't have multiple return types for one function |
| 21:40.11 | Dagmar | No pointers? |
| 21:40.15 | Shirik | originally the interface ParameterSqlToken was going to have a virtual function to do that |
| 21:40.17 | Shirik | but |
| 21:40.20 | Shirik | the types differ |
| 21:40.50 | kdtresh | so a can = different types? |
| 21:41.00 | Shirik | well not really |
| 21:41.02 | kdtresh | or is it sometimes something other than 'a' that you're comparing? |
| 21:41.08 | Shirik | it will only be one type |
| 21:41.14 | Shirik | for a particular query |
| 21:41.26 | Shirik | but in the general case, across queries, parameters could have different types |
| 21:41.53 | Tepel | I guess defining all possible types as a SetValue() function is kinda out of the question :P |
| 21:42.13 | Shirik | it would also be incorrect |
| 21:42.17 | Shirik | because it makes no sense to specify that function for the other types |
| 21:42.26 | Shirik | SetValue(int) has no meaning for StringParameter, etc. |
| 21:42.31 | Tepel | It wouldn't but it would work! |
| 21:42.38 | kdtresh | but the "select foo from bar" is the same in all of them? |
| 21:42.40 | Tepel | without casting :P |
| 21:42.47 | Shirik | no |
| 21:42.51 | Shirik | any query can be represented |
| 21:42.58 | cogwheel | the query is irrelevant to the problem imo |
| 21:42.58 | Shirik | literally |
| 21:43.00 | Shirik | right |
| 21:43.08 | Shirik | the problem is the parameters, not the query |
| 21:43.24 | Shirik | my example was just an example |
| 21:44.26 | Tepel | I don't think there's a better solution then what you're doing now with the templates |
| 21:44.45 | foxlit | <Java> make the interface an abstract class and declare default exception-throwing version of every method. Individual classes override their specific methods to provide functionality. </Java> |
| 21:44.46 | Shirik | p.s. Java would have a pissy fit with this design |
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| 21:45.04 | Shirik | Java cannot implement my design |
| 21:45.08 | Shirik | so :) |
| 21:45.13 | Tepel | foxlit: I already opted that |
| 21:45.29 | Shirik | p.s. I think that design is horrible :P |
| 21:45.38 | Shirik | (make a default exception-throwing method) |
| 21:45.51 | Kraps | BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 21:46.18 | Shirik | but seriously, Java cannot implement this design because of the diamond in the top right |
| 21:46.19 | cogwheel | Shirik: what about making the argument to getparameter a template parameter instead of a function parameter? |
| 21:46.34 | cogwheel | would involve a hefty bit of metaprogramming, but i think it would work |
| 21:46.52 | Shirik | not sure what you mean by that |
| 21:46.57 | cogwheel | query.GetParameter<2>().SetValue(5) |
| 21:47.04 | foxlit | can't be bothered to look up UML syntax. |
| 21:47.10 | foxlit | Your diamonds are meaningless to me. |
| 21:47.21 | Shirik | foxlit: Basically, you can't extend multiple classes |
| 21:47.23 | cogwheel | or do the parameterized queries need to be dynamically modified? |
| 21:47.32 | Shirik | their values do |
| 21:47.45 | Shirik | the actual query cannot be modified for security reasons |
| 21:47.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i swear, my coworker's code makes me weep for the future of humanity. |
| 21:48.31 | foxlit | Shirik: and the same problem cannot be solved using intefaces? |
| 21:48.38 | Shirik | nope |
| 21:48.45 | Shirik | those classes need to provide functionality |
| 21:48.55 | Shirik | not just an interface |
| 21:49.06 | Shirik | they also need to do private inheritance :) |
| 21:49.11 | Shirik | which Java alsodoesn't allow |
| 21:49.22 | Shirik | I mean you COULD do it with public |
| 21:49.24 | Shirik | but it would be ugly |
| 21:49.28 | Tepel | or any recent popular oop language |
| 21:49.42 | cogwheel | is reminded of his earlier chuckling... |
| 21:49.54 | cogwheel | http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/03/execution-in-kingdom-of-nouns.html |
| 21:49.56 | foxlit | I think your statement is better phrased as "But I wouldn't be able to do it the same way in Java" |
| 21:50.10 | Shirik | and as a result the design would suffer |
| 21:50.23 | Tepel | "You're doing it wrong" |
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| 21:51.19 | Tepel | multiple inheritance is some serious shiz though |
| 21:51.23 | Shirik | it is |
| 21:51.28 | Shirik | but it offers extreme power in this case |
| 21:51.49 | Tepel | Also known as "less typing" |
| 21:52.08 | Shirik | actually it's known as a mixin |
| 21:53.17 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixin |
| 21:53.22 | NightHawkTheSane | >< why the hell is "getOrderTotal" method not int he 'Order' model, but in the individual product model. >< |
| 21:53.27 | NightHawkTheSane | cries |
| 21:53.57 | NightHawkTheSane | why are we even calling that method in the freaking view, and not in the controller?! |
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| 21:55.19 | Tepel | stovepipe architecture |
| 21:56.53 | foxlit | Alert! "Buying gold makes baby murlocs cry." |
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| 21:57.19 | cogwheel | Shirik: if you need to store SqlToken*s in a container inside the queries, then I'm pretty sure you'll have to settle for a GetParameter that returns one of those pointers and then use RTTI |
| 21:57.37 | Shirik | yeah I think that's what I'm doing |
| 21:57.40 | cogwheel | If you want GetParameter to work the way you want, I think you'll have to change the design a bit |
| 21:57.58 | Shirik | I'll just have GetParameter do a dynamic upcast |
| 21:59.05 | Sesshu | hm curse add on search doesn't work-.- |
| 22:04.02 | cogwheel | Shirik: if you had variadic templates you could do it all statically ;) |
| 22:04.27 | Shirik | C++0x supports it no? |
| 22:04.33 | Shirik | unfortunately we agreed to C++03 |
| 22:05.28 | cogwheel | yep. though i haven't looked at them in detail |
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| 22:05.54 | Kraps | http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/3640/page/1 |
| 22:05.56 | cogwheel | I'm sure you could accomplish something similar with macros |
| 22:06.08 | cogwheel | (this time, speaking from experience :P ) |
| 22:07.10 | Shirik | I thought of that |
| 22:07.13 | Shirik | but it felt ugly :) |
| 22:07.21 | Dagmar | Kraps: I do not want to see a Harry Potter MMO |
| 22:07.25 | cogwheel | extremely |
| 22:08.12 | cogwheel | but considering it's database access, the overhead of a few RTTI operations is negligible |
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| 22:09.01 | Kraps | Dagmar: the graphics would be mind-blowing if a major company developed one |
| 22:09.26 | Dagmar | Yes, and so would the number of accusations about inappropriate behaviour around children. |
| 22:09.49 | Kraps | lulz |
| 22:11.08 | Sesshu | question: what use do the .lua.bak files in the wtf folder have? |
| 22:11.27 | foxlit | Lulling you into a false sense of security. |
| 22:12.28 | Sesshu | so they are back ups? |
| 22:12.34 | Dagmar | Sesshu: If you completely muck things up you can rollback |
| 22:12.41 | Shirik | Dagmar: Actually it's a wrapper around SQLite,so Iexpect the database to be relatively fast |
| 22:12.48 | Shirik | however, I think RTTI shouldn't be a problem |
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| 22:13.22 | Sesshu | does the wow client use them or does it just write them? |
| 22:13.39 | NightHawkTheSane | wow just writes them, i dont think it uses them ever. |
| 22:13.44 | Sesshu | k |
| 22:14.13 | foxlit | Worse, it only writes them when they do not exist. |
| 22:14.20 | foxlit | So chances are they contain no useful data whatsoever. |
| 22:15.18 | foxlit | grumble. |
| 22:15.32 | foxlit | I want to be able to pass arbitrary additional data to the qsort comparator function :/ |
| 22:15.34 | Ackis | hahahahhaha |
| 22:15.37 | Ackis | "We also want players to recognize that these companies often employ people to do their work through the use of disruptive hacks in the game, which can cause realm performance and stability issues." |
| 22:15.49 | Ackis | I read that as: you buy gold -> blizzard will fix their shit |
| 22:16.38 | foxlit | Unfortunately, the only way I can achieve that is through scoping :/ |
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| 22:19.06 | ZorbaTHut | blizzard should really consider an EveOnline or PuzzlePirates-style "money buying" system. they'd kill gold farmers instantly. |
| 22:19.30 | Dagmar | I think it would also kill the value |
| 22:19.32 | Ackis | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/funny-pictures-cat-wears-leash-to-protect-you.jpg tehehe |
| 22:19.44 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, the value of what? |
| 22:19.49 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: their solution is called daily quests. |
| 22:19.51 | Dagmar | THe value of the currency |
| 22:19.59 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, why would it? it doesn't create or destroy any gold |
| 22:20.14 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, except obviously their solution doesn't work very well :P |
| 22:20.34 | Dagmar | What? You pay money and goblins mug players for their pocket change? |
| 22:20.43 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: Not at all obvious. |
| 22:20.51 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, you don't actually understand the EO or PP mechanic, do you? :) |
| 22:20.56 | Dagmar | Never seen it |
| 22:21.18 | NightHawkTheSane | flies into a Fisker-like rage. |
| 22:21.20 | ZorbaTHut | in EO, which is the closest equivalent to what they'd presumably do, you can buy items which are 30-day subscription renewals |
| 22:21.21 | NightHawkTheSane | this code is so fucking unmaintinable |
| 22:21.23 | Ackis | hehehe ZorbaTHut said PP |
| 22:21.23 | Dagmar | I screwed around with Puzzle Pirates when they first came out and were basically letting premium players eat free players if they got hungry |
| 22:21.29 | Kraps | new episode of Lie To Me is up! |
| 22:21.37 | ZorbaTHut | you buy them for real money, and they can then be traded on the ingame market |
| 22:22.02 | ZorbaTHut | so if you have $$$ and want ingame currency, you buy some and sell them on the market. if you have ingame currency but no $$$, and you want to play the game, you buy them on the ingame market and use them |
| 22:22.21 | ZorbaTHut | no ingame currency is ever created, and the people who run Eve Online don't lose any real money either. |
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| 22:22.37 | Dagmar | How is this different from goldfarmers farming for blue BoE drops? |
| 22:22.49 | Ackis | Dagmar: it's controlled by blizzard |
| 22:23.07 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, because it's 100% legal and allowed, and it's a zero-sum game |
| 22:23.09 | Dagmar | Still, it's a _game_. RMT makes it a job, instantly |
| 22:23.37 | ZorbaTHut | I disagree. it's only a job if you want it to be. most people just pay their $15/mo to subscribe and never touch the plex system |
| 22:23.49 | ZorbaTHut | also, note that you can't get cash *out* of the system with that. |
| 22:24.04 | Dagmar | I dont' see how this would stop goldfarmers |
| 22:24.09 | Ackis | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/10/20/funny-pictures-video-kitteh-ambushes-stuffed-animal/ |
| 22:24.17 | ZorbaTHut | it's simple, suddenly there's a legal authorized way to turn real money into gold |
| 22:24.25 | ZorbaTHut | if you have a choice between that, and one that might get you banned, which will you choose? |
| 22:24.29 | Dagmar | They'll always undercut because they've got no problem with stealing and stripping acounts |
| 22:24.29 | ZorbaTHut | answer: the one that won't get you banned |
| 22:24.42 | Ackis | I bought gold and I'm not banned! |
| 22:24.44 | Ackis | rawr |
| 22:24.49 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
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| 22:25.05 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but the more they undercut, the more it kills their profit margin |
| 22:25.25 | Shirik | I just saw a scary metric |
| 22:25.28 | ZorbaTHut | at some point it becomes unprofitable for them to do so. that's basic economics. flood the market with a superior product, the previous people can't make profit off it anymore. |
| 22:25.42 | Shirik | Average experience of a Microsoft developer working on Windows: 4 years |
| 22:25.51 | Dagmar | 1. Chinese labor is cheap. 2. Players keep on using IE and clicking for free candy. 3. Gold/gear from pillaged accounts is pretty close to free |
| 22:25.51 | Shirik | Average experience of a Microsoft developer working on MSN: 7 years |
| 22:25.53 | ZorbaTHut | and, in a purely objective sense, it *did* basically kill RMT in Eve and Puzzle Pirates |
| 22:26.03 | Ackis | ~RMT |
| 22:26.04 | purl | from memory, rmt is a gay faggot that roots little boys |
| 22:26.12 | Ackis | rofl |
| 22:26.13 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, it still takes time and effort. Time is money, friend! |
| 22:26.15 | Dagmar | Sounds correct to me |
| 22:26.36 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Frankly I think their time is better spent making the things that getcha money more fun |
| 22:26.49 | Ackis | home time toodles |
| 22:26.50 | Dagmar | ...although it's not like there's a shortage of money-yeilding dailies of every stripe now |
| 22:27.00 | ZorbaTHut | It depends. If they could kill off the gold farmers, and drop the rate of account compromise, and drop spam enormously, that might be worth it. |
| 22:27.21 | ZorbaTHut | there's always going to be people who don't want to put the time into it, and right now, the existence of those people hurts the entire server |
| 22:27.29 | Lunessa | Just in saved bandwidth costs. |
| 22:27.32 | Dagmar | I'd like to volunteer for the "killing of goldfarmers" part |
| 22:27.32 | cbreak | It's surprising accounts get still compromised. |
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| 22:27.51 | Dagmar | It takes a long time for my arms to get tired of hitting people. |
| 22:28.01 | kd3 | if we're killing goldfamers, can we start killing lawyers too? |
| 22:28.22 | Dagmar | I have an even better idea... Let's drop lawyers from great heights onto goldfarmers |
| 22:29.06 | Dagmar | We can start with the ones who have ever pursued a patent claim on a patent that's been unexercised by the holder for more than seven years |
| 22:29.38 | Dagmar | THen we can move on to the ones who have shows on CNN. |
| 22:30.41 | Dagmar | Oh thank god... I just saw the report that rep gains for Sons of Hodir have been increased. |
| 22:31.04 | Lunessa | kd3: Only if we can whitelist some of them. |
| 22:31.40 | Dagmar | GOod idea |
| 22:31.54 | Dagmar | That'll bring the ones who think their client has a patent on whitelists out of the woodwork. |
| 22:34.51 | kdtresh | is there an easy way to find out the last time an item was scanned on the AH? |
| 22:35.30 | jpmorgan | using auctioneer it should show that in the appraiser |
| 22:35.48 | cogwheel | Shirik: what about boost::variant? |
| 22:36.10 | Shirik | I would like to maintain type safety |
| 22:36.18 | Shirik | since it should in fact be illegal to use the wrong type |
| 22:36.39 | foxlit | A toothpick! |
| 22:36.42 | foxlit | One item left to go. |
| 22:38.06 | Lunessa | go go foxlit you can dooooo eeeet |
| 22:38.17 | foxlit | It's up to the Lady, really. |
| 22:39.22 | Tepel | The pink mount you eventually get is fugly though |
| 22:40.08 | foxlit | Worse than the deathchicken? |
| 22:40.33 | Codayus_ | Violet protodrake? It's totally not pink. :-( |
| 22:40.55 | Tepel | It is! |
| 22:41.13 | Codayus_ | Plus, any protodrake >>> any other flying mount for looks. Bliz did some great work on the animations and design for it. |
| 22:41.29 | Lunessa | The violet color is pretty hideous. |
| 22:41.39 | ZorbaTHut | the violet protodrake is totally awesome |
| 22:41.57 | Lunessa | it's fabulous! And there's a sale at Penny's! |
| 22:42.03 | Sesshu | ulduar 25 protodrake > all |
| 22:42.07 | Codayus_ | I admit, the violet protodrake isn't the prettiest of the protodrakes. It's a lot more attractive than the green one, but not really up there with the Ulduar ones. |
| 22:43.05 | foxlit | Not that I'll actually get it on my druid until valentines', but it should just make swift flight form even swifter. |
| 22:43.07 | Sesshu | ow i mean "al'ar > ulduar 25 protodrake > all" |
| 22:44.41 | Lunessa | I need the PvP achievements from Children's week. *gnashes teeth* |
| 22:45.10 | Tepel | Bah broken mplayer |
| 22:45.30 | Codayus_ | I thought the Children's week PVP achivements were going to be hard, but for whatever reason, I found children's week one of the fastest and easiest of the holidays. |
| 22:45.47 | Shirik | cogwheel |
| 22:45.50 | Shirik | here's an interesting thought |
| 22:45.51 | Codayus_ | Luck, perhaps. I know some of my guildmates had serious problems with it. |
| 22:46.08 | Shirik | can ParameterSqlToken be a template class? |
| 22:46.38 | foxlit | Well, it did take some pain, but it wasn't actually that bad. |
| 22:46.58 | Shirik | can I have a function GetValue()/SetValue() accordingly? |
| 22:47.02 | foxlit | Perhaps the most annoying part of it was that you had to disrupt proper PvP with your silly non-pvp gear and desperate tactics. |
| 22:47.03 | Shirik | (abstract function) |
| 22:47.23 | Codayus_ | foxlit: Agreed. |
| 22:47.42 | Shirik | GetValue() would return a T, but it itself isn't a template function, the interface is a template |
| 22:48.24 | Codayus_ | Well, the AV part was kind of trivial, and didn't disrupt anything. The only one that really was problematic I think was the EoTS one, because it encouraged people to focus on the flag... |
| 22:48.57 | foxlit | That's not really any different from the EoTS failtactics you usually see. |
| 22:49.12 | Codayus_ | Heh, sadly true. |
| 22:49.13 | foxlit | I believe we stole Shirik's capital T. |
| 22:49.32 | Codayus_ | Still, it's not like they needed to ENCOURAGE flag whoring with an achievement. |
| 22:50.29 | cogwheel | Shirik: the problem is with GetParameter |
| 22:51.15 | cogwheel | unless you tell it what type you're after, it can only know about SqlToken*s |
| 22:52.24 | Shirik | well |
| 22:52.33 | Lunessa | The PvP achievements were not easy for me. I managed 1 of them . Basically I'd PVP for about an hour each day before anger management required me to log out. |
| 22:52.36 | Shirik | it should know it's a ParameterSqlToken actually |
| 22:52.40 | Shirik | and we can specify it's an int |
| 22:52.54 | cogwheel | ah |
| 22:53.27 | cogwheel | i see where you were headed with templating ParameterSqlToken |
| 22:53.56 | cogwheel | the -m_parameters: vector<SqlToken*> threw me off... if that were a ParameterSqlToken, i think i would've been on the same page sooner :P |
| 22:54.03 | Hirsute | Oooooh. 3.3 is bringing us the ability to query the server for a list of completed quests. |
| 22:54.13 | Shirik | sorry :) |
| 22:54.19 | Shirik | I'm not entirely sure why I did that |
| 22:55.05 | cogwheel | but i don't think that would work, because you'd have to specify the type to instantiate the vector |
| 22:56.04 | cogwheel | how many parameters do you think the biggest query will have? |
| 22:56.09 | Shirik | yeah if I make ParameterSqlToken a parameter then it MUST be a vector of SqlTokens |
| 22:56.27 | Shirik | just a few really |
| 22:56.27 | Shirik | we don't anticipate anything massive |
| 22:56.59 | cogwheel | Why not make ParameterizedQuery a template then? |
| 22:57.17 | cogwheel | you could set an arbitrary limit on the number of parameters and have each one be a member object |
| 22:57.25 | Shirik | it could have multiple types |
| 22:57.34 | Shirik | unless I'm misunderstanding why you wantit to be a template |
| 22:57.43 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:57.44 | Shirik | I see |
| 22:57.51 | Shirik | nah I'm not sure I want to impose a limit |
| 22:57.58 | Shirik | however varadic templates would be <3 right now |
| 22:58.01 | Shirik | but oh well :( |
| 22:58.14 | cogwheel | so make the limit really big :P |
| 22:59.43 | cogwheel | (and pray your optimizer can eliminate the waste ><) |
| 23:00.27 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:00.48 | cogwheel | or use macros to generate the templates |
| 23:01.05 | cogwheel | with boost.preprocessor it's pretty easy ;) |
| 23:03.25 | cogwheel | wtb fully-implemented C++0x compiler with mature optimization... |
| 23:21.48 | Shirik | isn't gcc pretty close? |
| 23:24.58 | Shirik | jnwhiteh |
| 23:25.02 | Shirik | shoot me now |
| 23:25.06 | Shirik | I have to use lisp :( |
| 23:30.25 | Tuller | ((((((((((((() |
| 23:32.05 | Shirik | ^ |
| 23:34.51 | Kraps | #Warcraft Don't Buy Gold! Buying gold makes baby murlocs cry. Find out more on our informational page here- http://bit.ly/4qA3Rf |
| 23:39.46 | _rane | but farming gold is boring :( |
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| 23:46.52 | Gnarfoz | (I'd still have my GotR proto drake, though, yay) |
| 23:47.11 | Sesshu | Recompense ask your question and someone will answer |
| 23:47.27 | Recompense | Fair enough ;) |
| 23:47.29 | Gnarfoz | ~asktoask |
| 23:47.30 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 23:47.32 | Gnarfoz | --^ |
| 23:48.06 | Gnarfoz | with that PSA, I'll try that "sleep" thingy again, it's supposed to be all the rage these days |
| 23:48.38 | Recompense | local args = "arg1 arg2" args:match("(%S+) (.+)") |
| 23:48.57 | Recompense | returns arg1 and arg2 as expected if args = "foo bar" but returns nothing if args = "foo" |
| 23:49.00 | ZorbaTHut | gnarfoz, I think it'd be better if they provided downgraded versions the later you did it. so you still have a cool-looking mount, but you don't have the badge of honor |
| 23:49.02 | Recompense | Sleep well :D |
| 23:49.23 | ZorbaTHut | it kind of sucks that people getting into the game in Cataclysm will just literally never be able to get several really pretty and awesome-looking mounts |
| 23:49.25 | Shirik | sigh |
| 23:49.31 | Shirik | 15 minutes into "lisp 101" |
| 23:49.44 | Shirik | (defun abs(a) (cond ((>a0)a) (t(-a))))) |
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| 23:50.25 | Shirik | lua> s="(defun abs(a) (cond ((>a0)a) (t(-a)))))"; local n = 0; for k in s:gmatch("[%(%)]) n = n + 1; end return #s / n |
| 23:50.25 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 23:50.32 | Shirik | lua> s="(defun abs(a) (cond ((>a0)a) (t(-a)))))"; local n = 0; for k in s:gmatch("[%(%)]") n = n + 1; end return #s / n |
| 23:50.32 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: 'do' expected near 'n' |
| 23:50.34 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:50.36 | Sesshu | hehe |
| 23:50.39 | Shirik | lua> s="(defun abs(a) (cond ((>a0)a) (t(-a)))))"; local n = 0; for k in s:gmatch("[%(%)]") do n = n + 1; end return #s / n |
| 23:50.39 | lua_bot | Shirik: 2.6 |
| 23:50.44 | Shirik | omg failure |
| 23:50.48 | Shirik | lua> s="(defun abs(a) (cond ((>a0)a) (t(-a)))))"; local n = 0; for k in s:gmatch("[%(%)]") do n = n + 1; end return n / #s |
| 23:50.48 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.38461538461538 |
| 23:50.50 | Recompense | I'm guessing because the pattern is expecting a second "word," so how would I get it to match if there's only one "word" |
| 23:50.51 | Shirik | there |
| 23:50.56 | Shirik | 39% parentheses |
| 23:51.09 | ristaloff | Recompense: guess the space between (%S+) and (.+) is the problem |
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| 23:51.36 | Recompense | The space is to make sure that it's not a part of the "arg2" return |
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| 23:52.01 | ristaloff | Recompense: Make the space optional? (I'm not a lua programmer btw) |
| 23:52.42 | Recompense | ristaloff: Will try that, but the space shouldn't be an issue if I'm understanding the process right |
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| 23:53.03 | bleeter | is HH still doable in a Raid (even though instance limit is 5 people)? Was SM GY ever a raid encounter? |
| 23:53.06 | Shirik | Recompense |
| 23:53.12 | Recompense | Shirik |
| 23:53.16 | Shirik | what is the problem? |
| 23:53.23 | Shirik | why should it work if args = "foo"? |
| 23:53.30 | Shirik | It doesn't match |
| 23:54.00 | Shirik | you are trying to match two things, separated by a space, and only have one |
| 23:54.38 | Recompense | OK, so I was right |
| 23:54.49 | Recompense | The match needs to have all the patterns present |
| 23:55.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:55.10 | Shirik | if it doesn't match, it doesn't match. There is no "kinda matched" return |
| 23:55.22 | Recompense | I guess the thing to do would be to just pass the whole "command line" arguments to have the first "word" pulled off for a switch |
| 23:55.24 | Shirik | generally the way to do this would be to make the second part optional |
| 23:55.31 | Recompense | How would that be done? |
| 23:55.43 | Shirik | like (%S+)%s*(.-) |
| 23:56.32 | Shirik | er |
| 23:56.37 | Shirik | you would have to anchor that |
| 23:56.46 | Shirik | (%S+)%s*(.-)$ |
| 23:57.00 | clever | why cant lua just use good old regex? :P |
| 23:57.10 | Shirik | there is a very long presentation on why |
| 23:57.20 | clever | link? |
| 23:57.28 | clever | or a summary? |
| 23:57.28 | Shirik | suffice to say, because PCRE is extremely complex, heavyweight, and processing intensive compared to Lua |
| 23:57.37 | ristaloff | good old regex, is that what python uses? |
| 23:57.51 | clever | Shirik: could always throw it in a thread in the bg |
| 23:57.57 | clever | fire off an event when its done |
| 23:58.00 | Shirik | uh |
| 23:58.08 | Shirik | except not only is Lua single-threaded |
| 23:58.14 | Shirik | it is not supposed to be heavyweight |
| 23:58.16 | Shirik | this is not python |
| 23:58.24 | Shirik | this is an embeddable scripting language |
| 23:58.25 | clever | just queue it up as a background task and fire an event when its done |
| 23:58.33 | clever | so lua isnt aware of the thread |
| 23:58.44 | Shirik | how many microcontrollers can run python? |
| 23:58.52 | Shirik | irrelevant |
| 23:58.54 | foxlit | honestly, request -> delay -> notify semantics are troublesome. |
| 23:59.04 | Shirik | you are still massively overcomplicating a language |
| 23:59.09 | clever | foxlit: yeah, but it will still be there for those that incist on using it |
| 23:59.57 | Shirik | http://www.lua.org/pil/20.1.html |
| 23:59.58 | foxlit | If you insist on using it, go fork Lua :) |
